[1:01:48] 
[1:02:25] Yeah But we're not
taking any questions
[1:02:28] on this If you
continue to interrupt,
[1:02:34] you're going to be removed
So respect the decorum.
[1:02:36] Please.
[1:02:37] Here I have a hearing
from Well, you're
[1:02:40] welcome to move your
chair up closer,
[1:02:42] but we're not
interrupting the meeting.
[1:02:44] Let's let's let's respect
everybody else in here.
[1:02:48] The folks are talking up here,
but we're getting out of line.
[1:02:51] All right.
[1:02:52] Continue please.
[1:02:53] Chad I guess my
question would be what?
[1:02:57] I mean, you want to look at
this over this year time period
[1:03:02] that we're looking at.
[1:03:03] You know, to do this
research So what
[1:03:07] does this time frame look
like that we would compile
[1:03:10] this committee of sorts?
[1:03:14] Because as are we
wanting this to be
[1:03:16] in conjunction
with that year time
[1:03:19] frame that he's
making reference.
[1:03:22] I don't think i wasn't
suggesting that it had to be.
[1:03:25] I just, you know, we have
a proposal in front of us.
[1:03:29] If it takes longer or
less time, I I would
[1:03:33] I don't think that it's that it
should be time certain I mean
[1:03:44] I guess I'm not saying
I don't trust our staff,
[1:03:47] but how are You going to
pick six people and not
[1:03:50] and have that be random unless
you're going to draw names out
[1:03:53] of a hat because you're
going to know if someone's
[1:03:56] for it or against it.
[1:03:57] I could pick six
people right now.
[1:03:59] That'd be great with it.
[1:04:01] That's not right
Because I'm pretty
[1:04:03] sure six people in this
room would be against it So
[1:04:06] how do you find how
are you going to keep
[1:04:09] that biased or unbiased?
[1:04:12] So when I look at it
from a staff perspective,
[1:04:14] us as a council up here
vote 98% at a time of staff
[1:04:18] recommendation So what's
your what you're saying
[1:04:23] is you don't trust
the staff is kind
[1:04:25] of what I'm getting at here.
[1:04:27] I did not say that.
[1:04:28] I didn't.
[1:04:29] That's kind of what
we're in situate into.
[1:04:31] The way I look at staff
not put words in my mouth.
[1:04:34] Please.
[1:04:34] I did not say, Well,
you just saying,
[1:04:35] how do we trust the staff?
[1:04:37] I did not say that
The staff gives
[1:04:40] us recommendation and guidance.
[1:04:42] That's not what I
said If you don't
[1:04:45] want to go forward with this it
would be an advisory committee.
[1:04:49] It would not take away your
discretion at the end of the day
[1:04:52] to make right decisions.
[1:04:54] And regulations.
[1:04:55] We're going to need even
with an advisory committee,
[1:04:58] you're going to need
assistance of staff
[1:05:01] to help draft regulations.
[1:05:04] It would it would be a process
just to provide recommendations
[1:05:08] and information to you.
[1:05:10] We could do our best to
set out the types of folks
[1:05:15] that you might want to
sit on this committee
[1:05:19] if you want them to have
education or no education.
[1:05:21] I mean, that that's all
within your protocol.
[1:05:24] But i just want you to know
that it won't take off.
[1:05:27] At the end of the day,
They're not going to be
[1:05:28] the final decision makers.
[1:05:29] They're just going to be
providing education If you
[1:05:32] want to go forward with this.
[1:05:34] I think one of the other things
that I heard from marin Council
[1:05:37] was if you want to
create this commission
[1:05:40] or this committee, what
we could actually do
[1:05:42] is probably establish some
sort of survey asking people
[1:05:46] exactly what their perspective
or their preferences on data
[1:05:51] centers So we do get
a good cross-section
[1:05:56] of perspectives on this topic.
[1:05:59] So that we can listen and learn
hopefully about what's going on
[1:06:04] and take all of that
information and you know,
[1:06:08] there may there may be
some other activities that
[1:06:11] that committee decides to do.
[1:06:13] But what we can
do as staff is we
[1:06:16] can collect that data for
them and present it to them.
[1:06:19] So that they can make the best
decision or recommendation to
[1:06:24] the council for final decision.
[1:06:27] Matt, do you feel that Six
would be too small or 6.
[1:06:31] A good number ?
[1:06:37] I I don't know that answer.
[1:06:40] I mean, I I ideally,
you want to find
[1:06:43] somebody that really
doesn't probably
[1:06:46] know much about data centers.
[1:06:48] I'd, I'd say probably
a good candidate,
[1:06:50] but I'm not going to be
involved in that You know
[1:06:55] But people that don't have
a bias One way or another
[1:06:59] that at the end of the
day, I mean as a staff,
[1:07:03] we're here to serve Right.
[1:07:05] That's why we're here We we take
the opinions of the community.
[1:07:10] We take the direction
of the council.
[1:07:12] And we carry that out.
[1:07:13] That's our responsibility
Our responsibility is not
[1:07:16] to get emotionally involved
with the decision making
[1:07:19] process of the governing
body All right.
[1:07:25] Six might be the
right answer Now
[1:07:28] I shudder to think
that more than ten,
[1:07:31] but I think you do need a
good cross-section of pro con
[1:07:37] and probably understand
guided that need to take
[1:07:43] the information excuse me.
[1:07:45] Take that information
and come to a conclusion
[1:07:48] to as to as to what they think
is best for the community
[1:07:54] probably more more than likely.
[1:07:55] Thou art is better
than even in the case
[1:08:00] that we have a split
decision and probably
[1:08:05] probably if you have
I do you probably
[1:08:07] want to try to keep as
many undecided or unknowing
[1:08:13] individuals about the
topic would be primary
[1:08:17] So then I'll reverse
the question.
[1:08:18] The council does council
think that the six or if we go
[1:08:21] with an odd number,
7 or 9 or something,
[1:08:23] what number feels good ?
[1:08:28] I still think it should be
left up to the citizens.
[1:08:31] I do.
[1:08:32] It's their property They.
[1:08:33] They live in this town.
[1:08:35] I've lived here Not as
long as Chad or Jessie.
[1:08:38] I've lived here 26 years.
[1:08:40] But even people coming in,
they bought property here
[1:08:43] and they should have a right
to say whether they get to hear
[1:08:47] the noise breathe, the
pollution, whatever I don't even
[1:08:51] think six people whether
they're four against it,
[1:08:54] how you're going to do that.
[1:08:56] And bring it back to us, for
us to decide when, if we just
[1:08:59] listen to our citizens, we
would we would have that answer
[1:09:03] if we listened to the citizens.
[1:09:05] Right now, you would
have that answer.
[1:09:07] If you've looked online
is social media at all?
[1:09:10] I have not heard very
many people for it.
[1:09:13] So why are we not
listening to the citizens
[1:09:15] instead of creating
a committee just
[1:09:17] to kick the can down the road,
to have somebody that possibly
[1:09:21] pushes those people that are
on there to magically get
[1:09:25] some good news through
there that somebody believes
[1:09:29] and then it's i don't know.
[1:09:31] Well, there's over
20,000 residents in this
[1:09:33] community So I think
we've got to look at it
[1:09:35] from a bigger perspective.
[1:09:37] Let them vote on
the ballot in 2020.
[1:09:43] But yeah, this is a
tough one, right So
[1:09:56] and I'm trying to scope my brain
around the agenda item, which
[1:10:00] is the committee I have
definitely comments
[1:10:02] for ordinance number eight
when we get to that piece
[1:10:08] But the committee itself,
I've been part of a lot
[1:10:10] of committees over the years.
[1:10:12] I'm sorry, early public
arts and several of them.
[1:10:15] I do agree that if we move
forward with a committee,
[1:10:18] I think having an odd
number is recommended
[1:10:21] and a smaller number
not to exceed, say,
[1:10:25] ten just because then we get
too much Where I'm hearing Diane
[1:10:30] is of the need
for the committee.
[1:10:32] The need for the
committee was based off
[1:10:33] the idea of ordinance
number eight,
[1:10:36] which is establish a moratorium.
[1:10:38] But assured in hearing
from the citizens
[1:10:40] This committee will
also just like we've
[1:10:42] done in other committees, will
establish communication plans
[1:10:45] with the citizens that
could be you know,
[1:10:48] that could be in their charge.
that could be one thing
[1:10:50] that they come up and
they want to do Maybe they
[1:10:52] want to do the
barbecue days or trick
[1:10:54] or treat street and get feedback
directly from the citizens.
[1:10:56] That's going to be
with the committee.
[1:10:58] Some of the committee decisions
So it's not that we can't have
[1:11:01] 20,000 people doing it.
[1:11:04] But then again, we
get all the data,
[1:11:06] we get all the information from
The committee and the citizens
[1:11:10] It gets really reviewed.
[1:11:12] And again, we we don't have to
make a decision The moratorium.
[1:11:15] And Abby, correct
me if I'm wrong,
[1:11:16] we have moratoriums and
other things They can't just
[1:11:19] come in her bill without our
approval we have had more times
[1:11:29] for other things that we had
a short oil and gas moratorium
[1:11:32] and we had a moratorium
water dedication.
[1:11:34] Since I've been here What's
your question exactly?
[1:11:40] I think that if somebody brought
forth an application for a data
[1:11:43] center based on My understanding
from the work session,
[1:11:46] is it would be considered
under the code right now.
[1:11:49] Correct.
[1:11:49] Unless we do the
moratorium would pause
[1:11:52] that for 12 months, Correct.
[1:11:53] They would not be
able to get that move
[1:11:56] through because it's arbitrary.
[1:11:57] If you all choose to adopt.
[1:11:58] Correct.
[1:11:59] So I just want to clarify that.
[1:12:00] And the committee, if they
say we need more time,
[1:12:03] there's more time If
the committee also
[1:12:04] says it needs to go to the
ballot that's the information
[1:12:07] we want to hear
from the citizen.
[1:12:08] So those are the
kind of, I guess,
[1:12:10] all the talking points
that I'm hearing
[1:12:11] that I'm you want to
make sure it's very
[1:12:14] clear to everybody tonight.
[1:12:16] We're not saying at
least I'm not saying we
[1:12:18] don't hear from the citizens.
[1:12:19] It's been very light full
hearing from the citizens
[1:12:23] We're not saying we're doing
anything at this point.
[1:12:26] We still have a public
hearing that we have to do.
[1:12:29] And we're not
saying that if we do
[1:12:31] a moratorium, if we
do nothing, there is
[1:12:32] a risk that they could come in.
[1:12:35] But if we do a moratorium,
they can't come in.
[1:12:38] If we ban it, they can't come
in So that's what we can do
[1:12:45] But again, I don't think
we're there yet as far as
[1:12:46] making that final decision on.
[1:12:48] We just keep a
moratorium forever
[1:12:51] and we have marijuana right
now is a moratorium forever.
[1:12:53] But I mean, we haven't i mean,
it's until somebody can write it
[1:12:59] well, but then that
comes to a vote
[1:13:01] against it's not just they
can't build something downtown
[1:13:04] So I think we have we
have protections in place.
[1:13:07] We just don't have all
the information in.
[1:13:10] And.
[1:13:10] That's right.
[1:13:11] One information.
[1:13:11] I think there are some
smart people out here that
[1:13:13] know a lot more about
this stuff than us
[1:13:16] And I'd love to hear from them
both on all sides of the fence.
[1:13:19] As you said So that's
why I think establishing
[1:13:22] a committee would
help do it is not,
[1:13:24] I think, all inclusive
to the seven people
[1:13:27] or whatever we decide Megan what
would be the next opportunity
[1:13:34] if if we chose to
put it to a vote
[1:13:38] We were told last week
that the next opportunity
[1:13:43] after this November
would be April of 2028.
[1:13:46] Is that still true?
[1:13:48] Mayor Duncan and Council member
If you are looking at a tabor
[1:13:53] question, sales tax
something like that, that
[1:13:56] is correct because
sales tax questions
[1:13:59] can only be coordinated or put
on our regular municipal ballot.
[1:14:05] If you are looking to ask
a question of the community
[1:14:08] and that is not a Tabor
question the council
[1:14:11] can coordinate with the
counties for a November election
[1:14:16] at that time frame is
very tight right now,
[1:14:19] but you could look at 2027
in November, but actually
[1:14:23] and this council
also has the ability
[1:14:26] to call a special election
if they choose to.
[1:14:29] And refer a measure to
the public at any time,
[1:14:33] as long as it's not a
Tabor question okay.
[1:14:36] Thank you.
[1:14:37] I was not aware of
how that worked.
[1:14:39] And I appreciate you telling us.
[1:14:40] Thank you Again, Meghan, at what
cost for that special election?
[1:14:46] Sure.
[1:14:46] So generally coordinated
elections and and,
[1:14:50] you know, Weld
County is very clear.
[1:14:52] Right. $2 a voter is what
we pay larimer County.
[1:14:57] It's based on ballot size.
[1:14:59] How many other municipalities
are coordinating And so, you
[1:15:03] know, we estimate for a
coordinated election 40
[1:15:05] to 50,000 to do that election
coordinated with the counties
[1:15:10] are our last election
that we just did in April
[1:15:14] And that election was 35,000.
[1:15:16] The council should
note that there
[1:15:18] were two two
different ballots that
[1:15:21] went out because of the DDA.
[1:15:22] So that did change it a
little bit in my estimation,
[1:15:26] between 25 and 30,000 at
today's cost today would be what
[1:15:31] it would cost for
my office to do
[1:15:35] an election for the town Yeah.
[1:15:47] So as you guys want to do 11
on the advisory board, given it
[1:15:50] that odd number or Seven
good What's everybody
[1:15:59] feeling I have no preference.
[1:16:00] I'm fine with either way.
[1:16:02] Just curious what
everybody else thought.
[1:16:03] Oh, Chad i would think 7
would be enough but I don't.
[1:16:08] I don't have an opinion.
[1:16:10] One way or the other.
[1:16:11] I do think I'd numbers
better, but I don't.
[1:16:14] I don't care what number
it is, the more you add,
[1:16:16] the more complex it gets
for the staff as well too.
[1:16:18] Sure.
[1:16:19] So I'm thinking 7 would be a
prime number for me to recommend
[1:16:24] OK And thank you, Damien, for
explaining that a little better
[1:16:30] All right.
[1:16:31] Any further deliberation before
I make a motion with that,
[1:16:36] I move to establish a Johnstown
Data Center Advisory committee
[1:16:40] consisting of seven
Johnstown residents selected
[1:16:42] through an open
application process
[1:16:45] and one town staff
member to provide
[1:16:48] administrative oversight.
[1:16:49] The committee should operate
independently of the town
[1:16:51] council, evaluate all aspects
of potential data center
[1:16:53] development including
land use, infrastructure
[1:16:56] environmental impacts, public
safety, potential regulations
[1:16:59] to receive public
and expert input
[1:17:01] and submit a written report
with recommendations including
[1:17:04] proposed regulations,
development standards
[1:17:06] to the Town Council or with a
date to be determined The all
[1:17:14] right, Well article
in a motion by myself,
[1:17:16] seconded by Council member
Bashford, we put it to electric.
[1:17:46] Preliminary plat and rezone
seven Alpha Resolution number
[1:17:50] 2020 6-35 approve a preliminary
plat to White House a division
[1:17:54] following number two, then
seven Bravo ordinance 2020 62-29
[1:17:59] for approving rezoning
a real property
[1:18:02] known as the White subdivision
Finally, number two.
[1:18:07] With that, I go and ask
for a staff report To
[1:18:23] and Megan will have a vote on
all three of those resolutions
[1:18:26] separately.
[1:18:28] The two that are before us.
[1:18:30] Duncan Yes.
[1:18:31] OK Thank you Good evening.
[1:18:46] Mayor Duncan and
council members.
[1:18:48] My name's Aubrey Flores, planner
one with the town of Johnstown
[1:18:52] And I'm just trying to get my
slide show on to the screen
[1:18:58] Maybe it's coming
to your rescue.
[1:19:00] Thank you, Mike Okay Thank you.
[1:19:08] Thank you.
[1:19:09] Here we go.
[1:19:10] Tonight, I'll be presenting Two
applications for the property
[1:19:14] known as White Hall.
[1:19:15] A preliminary plat and a
reason these applicant ations
[1:19:18] were submitted and reviewed
concurrently under the town's
[1:19:21] land use and development code.
[1:19:23] The subject property is
approximately 163.34 acres.
[1:19:28] And as you can see
on the vicinity map
[1:19:29] provided it is located north
of Weld County Road 46 west
[1:19:34] of Colorado Boulevard south
of the Clearview neighborhood
[1:19:37] and east of unincorporated
weld County.
[1:19:40] The property was annexed
into the town in 2021
[1:19:43] through the Whitehall
annexation At that time,
[1:19:46] the property was zoned
planned unit development,
[1:19:48] mixed use or Puti MOU.
[1:19:51] There were no zoning
documents created or approved
[1:19:53] for the property at that
time Also in 2021, Whitehall
[1:19:57] filing number one was approved.
[1:19:58] This subdivision
created the parcel.
[1:20:00] You can see around the orange
for Roosevelt High School It was
[1:20:05] constructed a few years later
The current applications
[1:20:09] represent the next phase of
development for the remaining
[1:20:12] Whitehall property.
[1:20:13] So the applicant tonight
is requesting approval
[1:20:16] of a preliminary plot I'll
be showing you the plot later
[1:20:20] in my presentation portion, but
it would subdivide the property
[1:20:22] into seven tracts to outline
it and the associated public
[1:20:26] right away that
outlets are intended
[1:20:28] for open space
drainage detention
[1:20:31] and utility infrastructure.
[1:20:33] The proposed right away
establishes the future street
[1:20:35] network through the property
and provides connectivity
[1:20:38] to the surrounding areas.
[1:20:40] The applicant tonight is
also requesting a reason
[1:20:43] to replace the existing PD
zoning with a combination
[1:20:46] of standard zoning districts
found within our land
[1:20:49] use undeveloped met code.
[1:20:51] Our two mixed
density neighborhood
[1:20:53] our three high
density neighborhood
[1:20:55] mNC mixed use neighborhood
commercial and MRC mixed
[1:20:59] use Regional commercial.
[1:21:01] The intent of the
proposed zoning framework
[1:21:03] is to establish a transition
of development intensity
[1:21:06] across the property with
lower density residential uses
[1:21:10] to the West and increased
opportunities for mixed use
[1:21:13] and commercial development
Closer to Colorado Boulevard.
[1:21:16] So this proposal was
reviewed for consistency
[1:21:19] with the comprehend the plan,
which you can see on the screen
[1:21:23] And it was found that the
proposed zoning framework aligns
[1:21:26] with the future land use
designations for the property So
[1:21:29] as shown on the
future land use map,
[1:21:32] the eastern portion
of the property
[1:21:33] is designated medium
density slash intensity,
[1:21:36] while the western portion is
designated low density slash
[1:21:39] intensity The proposed
zoning also supports the town
[1:21:43] goals related to the
housing affordability plan
[1:21:46] by providing a wide range of
housing for diverse individuals
[1:21:50] neighborhood connectivity and
access to service and amenities
[1:21:54] The applications are consistent
with the comprehensive plan,
[1:21:56] including goal L1,
[1:21:58] which seeks to ensure that
neighborhood character
[1:22:01] and amenities
contribute to the health
[1:22:02] and well-being of a
diverse range of residents.
[1:22:06] So the following slide
shows the existing zoning
[1:22:09] and the surrounding
land uses as well,
[1:22:11] which are generally residential
to the north and east
[1:22:14] and agricultural to
the west and the south.
[1:22:17] The areas shown in gray are
located within an incorporated
[1:22:21] Weld County, while the colored
areas are properties annexed
[1:22:24] into the town of Johnstown.
[1:22:26] Given this context, the
proposed zoning framework
[1:22:29] was designed to create a
transition in intensity areas
[1:22:32] across the property.
[1:22:34] Moving to the proposed
zoning map as you can see,
[1:22:38] the districts generally
increase in intensity from west
[1:22:40] to east, allowing Colorado
Boulevard to serve as a corridor
[1:22:44] for supporting the higher
density development
[1:22:47] So a helpful way to
think about the proposal
[1:22:50] is a progression from homes
on the West to mixed use
[1:22:52] residential areas in the center
that provide the neighborhood
[1:22:55] services on the East.
[1:22:58] Are two district supports
a variety of housing types
[1:23:00] in a lower density neighborhood
While our three dense district
[1:23:04] increases residential density
near commercial areas,
[1:23:08] helping support local businesses
by providing residents
[1:23:11] within walking
distance of services,
[1:23:13] the M20 District provides
opportunities for neighborhoods
[1:23:16] serving uses, such as
restaurants, personal services
[1:23:19] and small offices, while also
allowing residential uses
[1:23:22] like duplex Is and townhomes.
[1:23:25] The mRC district provides
opportunities for larger
[1:23:28] community, serving uses
such as recreation centers,
[1:23:31] while remaining connected
to surrounding neighborhoods
[1:23:33] through sidewalks and trails
OK, so a significant feature
[1:23:38] of the proposal is the
planned connectivity
[1:23:40] through the property.
[1:23:41] So as you can see on the
preliminary plat on this slide,
[1:23:44] it includes an east west Trail
corridor, which includes a ditch
[1:23:48] realignment intended for future
multi-use trail integration
[1:23:53] This connection will
provide future connectivity
[1:23:55] to Roosevelt High School and
surrounding neighborhoods.
[1:23:58] The Street Network is is
coordinated with surrounding
[1:24:01] development and future final
plat applications will refine
[1:24:04] the timing and sequencing of
roadway and infrastructure
[1:24:07] improvements.
[1:24:08] Both colorado Road and County
Road 46 will be required to be
[1:24:12] improved as part of the plan
application A neighborhood
[1:24:16] meeting was held on May 12th at
the Johnstown yMCA and this year
[1:24:21] 15 people attended it,
including residents,
[1:24:24] town staff and representatives
of the applicant
[1:24:27] Discussion focused primarily
on road facing traffic impacts.
[1:24:31] Utility extensions feature lane
uses football stadium noise
[1:24:35] at the high school
housing projections
[1:24:38] and access along County Road 46.
[1:24:41] Notice of the
neighborhood meeting
[1:24:42] was mailed to all
property owners within 800
[1:24:44] for the property published
in the Johnstown Breeze
[1:24:47] and posted on the site in
Three different locations.
[1:24:50] For tonight's hearing,
public notice was published
[1:24:53] in the Johnstown Breeze
on June 25th, 2026,
[1:24:55] and mailed notice was
again, provided to all
[1:24:57] property owners within 800ft.
[1:25:00] Stick with me.
[1:25:01] I'm going to be listing the
staff findings addressing
[1:25:05] the criteria for a preliminary
plat pursuant to section 17
[1:25:09] DoorDash 2-2 of the land use
and development Code so that
[1:25:15] Preliminar pre plat proposes a
subdivision of the 163.34 acre
[1:25:18] property into seven tracts,
two out lots in Associated
[1:25:23] Round-Up right of way.
[1:25:25] So from the land use and
Development code the first item.
[1:25:29] The first criteria is that the
application is in accordance
[1:25:32] with the comprehensive
plan and in particular,
[1:25:34] the physical development
patterns and concepts of a plan.
[1:25:38] So the application complies
with the comprehensive plan,
[1:25:41] particularly the development
patterns and concepts related
[1:25:44] to planned residential
and mixed use
[1:25:46] development transportation,
connectivity
[1:25:49] and neighborhood scale design.
[1:25:50] The next criteria is that the
development and infrastructure
[1:25:53] are arranged in a
manner to minimize
[1:25:55] impacts on geologic hazards.
[1:25:57] Environmentally sensitive areas,
wildlife, habitat or other
[1:26:00] natural features of the land.
[1:26:02] So the development
and infrastructure
[1:26:04] are arranged to minimize
impacts on geologic hazards,
[1:26:07] environmentally sensitive areas
and other natural features.
[1:26:10] To the extent
applicable to the site
[1:26:14] No significant
constraints have been
[1:26:16] identified that would
prevent development
[1:26:18] and the proposed configuration.
[1:26:20] The next criteria is that the
arrangement and proposed design
[1:26:23] of streets open space and blocks
meet the development and design
[1:26:25] standards of this code
and are coordinated
[1:26:28] with the existing or
potential development
[1:26:30] on adjacent property.
[1:26:32] So the arrangement and proposed
design of streets, open space
[1:26:35] and box meet applicable
development and design standards
[1:26:37] and are coordinated with
existing and future development
[1:26:40] on adjacent
properties, including
[1:26:42] connections to
surrounding residential
[1:26:43] and aggregate natural areas.
[1:26:46] The next criteria is that the
proposed blocks and lots are
[1:26:48] capable of meeting all
development and site design
[1:26:51] standards of the
applicable zoning district
[1:26:53] So the proposed blocks
are capable of meaning
[1:26:55] all development and
site design standards,
[1:26:58] which will be further reviewed
at the time of final part.
[1:27:00] And site specific development
applications Next one
[1:27:04] is that the application
demonstrates
[1:27:05] preliminary feasibility
of being able to meet
[1:27:08] the design, construction
performance, and maintenance
[1:27:10] requirements for all required
improvements in this application
[1:27:14] and demonstrates preliminary
feasibility of meeting design,
[1:27:17] construction performance
and maintenance requirements
[1:27:20] for required
improvements, including
[1:27:22] streets, utilities, drainage
and open space infrastructure.
[1:27:26] The next criteria is that
phasing is clearly indicated
[1:27:29] and demonstrates a logical
and coordinated approach
[1:27:31] to development and
the timing, location,
[1:27:34] and construction of amenities
is consistent throughout phases.
[1:27:37] So future development
will continue
[1:27:39] to be refined through subsequent
final plat application, which
[1:27:42] will establish
timing infrastructure
[1:27:44] sequencing and amenities.
[1:27:47] The last.
[1:27:48] The next point is that
any impacts identified
[1:27:50] by specific studies
or technical reports
[1:27:53] are mitigated with generally
accepted in sound planning,
[1:27:56] engineering, and
urban design solutions
[1:27:58] Any impacts identified
through technical reports,
[1:28:01] including stormwater analysis,
are proposed to be mitigated
[1:28:04] through engineering
review to ensure long term
[1:28:06] function of the development
The next criteria
[1:28:10] part of the preliminary plat is
that the design does not impede
[1:28:13] the construction of
anticipated or planned
[1:28:15] future public infrastructure
or other development within the
[1:28:18] area.
[1:28:19] And the design does not
impede planned or anticipated
[1:28:22] public infrastructure,
including transportation
[1:28:24] and trail connections.
[1:28:26] The last criteria is that
the plot has addressed issues
[1:28:29] of professional staff or any
other public entity or review
[1:28:32] agencies as to officially
review the preliminary plat
[1:28:36] So the application has
been reviewed by town staff
[1:28:38] and applicable review agencies,
and revisions have been
[1:28:41] incorporated to address comments
So next i'm going to be moving
[1:28:45] into the staff findings
addressing the criteria
[1:28:48] for a rezoning
pursuant to section
[1:28:50] 17 dash 2-3.B of the Land
Use and Development Code.
[1:28:54] So staff reviewed the proposed
zoning against each criteria
[1:28:58] required by the code I'm going
to list the following findings
[1:29:02] demonstrating how the
proposed rezoning meets
[1:29:04] the applicable required meets.
[1:29:06] Point number one is that
the rezoning furthers
[1:29:08] one or more of the
purposes of these
[1:29:10] regulations and 17 dash 1-3.
[1:29:13] And on any balance, any
purpose that may be undermined
[1:29:16] or untrue weighed by the
benefits of those purpose,
[1:29:18] it furthers.
[1:29:20] So the proposed rezoning
from Puti I mean to r 2R3,
[1:29:23] I mean and C and M r c replaces
a P designation that does not
[1:29:28] include specific development
standards The proposed zoning
[1:29:30] districts establish clear,
enforceable development
[1:29:33] regulations consistent with the
land use and Development Code.
[1:29:37] Two is that the proposal is
consistent with the goals
[1:29:39] and objectives of the
comprehensive plan
[1:29:42] and any other plan,
policy or guidance
[1:29:44] adopted pursuant to that plan.
[1:29:46] So the subject property is
designated medium density
[1:29:49] and low density intensity
within the comprehensive plan
[1:29:52] future Land Use map.
[1:29:54] The proposed zoning districts
are consistent with the intent
[1:29:57] of these designations
and support
[1:29:58] the overall land use
framework established
[1:30:01] by the Comprehensive plan.
[1:30:03] So as I talked about earlier,
the Eastern part of the property
[1:30:06] is medium density
slash intensity.
[1:30:09] The comprehensive plan
describes medium density areas
[1:30:12] as complete neighborhoods that
provide a diversity of shops
[1:30:15] and services, including schools
and civic facilities within
[1:30:18] a walking or biking district.
[1:30:20] Distance from residential areas.
[1:30:22] These areas are intended
to provide strong walking
[1:30:25] connections multimodal trails,
a range of housing options
[1:30:28] and opportunities for diverse
lifestyles and income ranges.
[1:30:32] So in this doc finds that the
proposed hour to hour three
[1:30:36] and C and MRC zoning
framework closely
[1:30:38] relent reflects the intent
of the medium density area.
[1:30:42] So rather than
separating housing
[1:30:44] from services the
proposed zoning creates
[1:30:46] a complete neighborhood by
integrating a variety of housing
[1:30:49] types with neighborhood scale,
commercial and community,
[1:30:52] serving uses that anyone
see District complements
[1:30:55] these residential uses by
allowing neighborhoods serving
[1:30:58] commercial uses, including small
restaurants personal services
[1:31:01] and neighborhood retail These
uses are intended to remain
[1:31:04] neighborhood skill and are
not designed to accommodate
[1:31:07] large commercial structures with
large parking lots and see also
[1:31:11] allows for senior aging
facilities The MRC district
[1:31:16] provides opportunities for
larger community serving
[1:31:18] commercial uses while
remaining connected
[1:31:20] to nearby residential areas
through sidewalks and trails.
[1:31:23] Also MMR is the
only zoning district
[1:31:26] that permits recreational
centers buy write directly
[1:31:29] supporting the
comprehensive plans
[1:31:31] vision of complete neighborhoods
where residents have
[1:31:33] convenient access to
shopping services, recreation
[1:31:36] and other daily needs.
[1:31:38] The western portion
of the property
[1:31:40] is designated low density.
[1:31:42] The comprehensive plan
describes these areas
[1:31:44] as primarily single
family neighborhoods,
[1:31:46] with opportunities
for lower density
[1:31:47] attached housing,
such as townhomes,
[1:31:50] duplexes and patio homes.
[1:31:52] Staff finds that the proposed R
two and R three districts best
[1:31:55] implement this vision
and are one district
[1:31:58] was not considered because
it is limited to detached
[1:32:00] single family homes
on larger lots
[1:32:03] and does not provide
the flexibility
[1:32:04] to accommodate the range of
housing options encouraged
[1:32:07] by the comprehensive plan.
[1:32:09] The proposed are to
an three districts
[1:32:10] allow for the housing diversity
envisioned by the Comprehensive
[1:32:13] plan by supporting a mix
of residential building
[1:32:16] types and densities.
[1:32:17] The proposed R two district
maintains the low density
[1:32:20] character and vision
for this area,
[1:32:22] while providing additional
housing flexibility This
[1:32:25] supports the strategic plan
goal of supporting a broad range
[1:32:28] of housing options,
including the greater
[1:32:30] likelihood of attainable housing
The proposal supports the town's
[1:32:34] planned transportation and trail
network through an East West
[1:32:37] Trail connection
that will provide
[1:32:38] connectivity to
Roosevelt High School
[1:32:40] and surrounding neighborhoods.
[1:32:42] So the next criteria
from the code
[1:32:44] is number three,
which the changes,
[1:32:46] consistent with the intent of
the proposed zoning district,
[1:32:49] specifically considering the
design of streets, civic space
[1:32:53] and other open space, be the
pattern, scale, and format
[1:32:56] of buildings and sites and see
the compatibility and transition
[1:32:59] with other complementary uses
and development in the vicinity
[1:33:03] So the proposed rezoning is
consistent with the intent
[1:33:06] of the park.
[1:33:07] Applicable zoning districts
because it incorporates
[1:33:11] planned transportation
improvements
[1:33:12] and an east west rail corridor.
[1:33:15] B The zoning
framework establishes
[1:33:16] a logical progression of
intensive d, the and C the
[1:33:20] proposed districts provide
a appropriate transitions
[1:33:23] between Roosevelt high School,
the Clearview neighborhood
[1:33:26] the Colorado Boulevard Corridor
and adjacent unincorporated Weld
[1:33:29] County Lines.
[1:33:31] The next criteria is that the
change is necessary for at least
[1:33:34] one of the following reasons A
There has been a material change
[1:33:37] in the character of the area
or in the town generally, such
[1:33:41] that the proposed reason
is in the public interest.
[1:33:43] B The change will
serve a community need
[1:33:45] or provide an amenity or
benefit to the surrounding area.
[1:33:48] That was not anticipated at
the time of the initial zoning.
[1:33:51] So since annexation and
the surrounding area
[1:33:54] has experienced change including
the development of Roosevelt
[1:33:56] High school, these conditions
support implementation
[1:34:00] of standard zoning districts.
[1:34:02] The proposed rezone provides
greater regulatory clarity
[1:34:05] and improved alignment with the
comprehensive plan compared to
[1:34:08] the existing P. D designation.
[1:34:10] Five.
[1:34:11] The town or other
agencies have the ability
[1:34:13] to provide services
or facilities that
[1:34:15] may be necessary for anticipated
uses in the proposed district
[1:34:18] So the town of Johnstown
and utility providers
[1:34:21] have the ability to serve the
subject property and service
[1:34:24] capacity and infrastructure
have evaluated
[1:34:26] through the review process.
[1:34:29] Six Any reasonably anticipated
the negative impacts
[1:34:32] on the area or adjacent
property either mitigated
[1:34:34] by sound planning, design,
and engineering practices
[1:34:37] or are outweighed by
broader public benefits
[1:34:39] to the surrounding community
So potential impacts associated
[1:34:44] with future development,
including traffic and land use
[1:34:46] compatibility are addressed
through zoning standards
[1:34:49] and engineering requirements.
[1:34:51] Any remaining impacts
are outweighed
[1:34:53] by broader public
benefits of the proposed
[1:34:56] development framework.
[1:34:57] Seven.
[1:34:58] If owner initiated at least
two thirds of the subject
[1:35:00] property owners within the
change of zone boundary
[1:35:03] have signed the application.
[1:35:04] So the application is
owner initiated and meets
[1:35:07] the ownership requirements Eight
If owner initiated the subject
[1:35:10] property has not been
included in a reason
[1:35:12] action in the prior 12 months.
[1:35:14] So the subject
property has not been
[1:35:16] included in a rezoning action
within the previous 12 months.
[1:35:19] Nine.
[1:35:20] The recommendations of
any professional staff
[1:35:22] and advisory review bodies
have been considered,
[1:35:24] so the application has gone
through three technical review
[1:35:27] cycles with towns, staff,
referral agencies, utilities
[1:35:30] and IT companies Okay.
[1:35:33] Thanks for sticking
with me through that.
[1:35:36] So the Planning and Zoning
Commission held a public hearing
[1:35:40] on July 8th, 2026, following the
public hearing and discussion
[1:35:43] of the proposal The Commission
voted unanimously 7 to 0
[1:35:48] to recommend approval
of both the zone
[1:35:51] and preliminary
plat with revisions
[1:35:53] to the proposed zoning pattern.
[1:35:55] So specifically the
Commission recommended
[1:35:58] changing the proposed R32R
to say they're changing
[1:36:04] the proposed m r c area to Emily
and see that recommendation
[1:36:10] would result in about
a 107.6 acres of R two
[1:36:14] and 69.44 acres of MMM c
All seven commissioners
[1:36:18] in attendance voted in
favor of that recommendation
[1:36:22] and the commissioners rationale
for these recommendations was
[1:36:24] that they believe the
zoning districts would
[1:36:27] provide a more
appropriate transition
[1:36:29] to the surrounding area.
[1:36:30] Specifically, the
Commission felt
[1:36:31] more comfortable with the
eminences zoning district
[1:36:34] next to Roosevelt high
School and the existing
[1:36:37] residential neighborhoods
as it limits commercial uses
[1:36:39] to a neighborhood scale.
[1:36:41] The Commission also recommended
changing the proposed R three
[1:36:44] district to R two
to provide lower
[1:36:46] density residential next to
the existing residential.
[1:36:51] So in conclusion, staff finds
that the Whitehall rezone
[1:36:54] and preliminary plat establish
a logical and connected
[1:36:57] development framework for
the property The proposal
[1:37:00] aligns with the
comprehensive plan
[1:37:01] provides clear zoning standards
supports future housing
[1:37:04] and commercial opportunities,
and incorporate
[1:37:07] plan transportation and trail
connections The proposal also
[1:37:10] meets the requirements
outlined in the Land
[1:37:13] Use and Development code.
[1:37:14] The proposed zoning
framework creates
[1:37:16] an appropriate transition
between surrounding land uses
[1:37:18] while providing opportunities
for a variety of housing types
[1:37:22] neighborhood serving commercial
uses and future community
[1:37:24] amenities Staff recommends
that town council
[1:37:27] approve the White House filing.
[1:37:28] Number two Preliminary
plat as presented.
[1:37:31] Staff recommends approval of
the rezone with the breath,
[1:37:34] a revision is recommended by
Planning and Zoning Commission
[1:37:37] And thank you very much.
[1:37:39] And I'm happy to answer any
questions The applicant is also
[1:37:42] here to answer any questions.
[1:37:44] Thank you for the
long presentation,
[1:37:46] you did a good job
One question I have.
[1:37:50] So the staff report references
the East and West Trail
[1:37:52] connection Can staff explain
when the trails anticipated
[1:37:56] to be construction and whether
that will connect directly
[1:37:58] to the high school
or whether it will
[1:38:02] connect Sorry, whether
it will connect
[1:38:05] directly to the high school?
[1:38:07] I think that will be
up to the applicant
[1:38:09] and will be refined through
a final plat application.
[1:38:13] And for the first
part of your question
[1:38:15] which was when it
will be constructed,
[1:38:17] that will be determined when the
development agreement is drafted
[1:38:21] for the preliminary plat.
[1:38:23] Yeah, I think if we can
have something that connects
[1:38:25] to the high school because these
kids need a safe place to walk
[1:38:27] and we don't currently
have anything like that
[1:38:29] in the community For the
kids that live close by
[1:38:32] or the parents can't afford
to get them to school I mean,
[1:38:35] I think we need to applicant
can take that into consideration
[1:38:38] that we can connect
that to the high school
[1:38:40] to give these kids some
sort of a safe trail or path
[1:38:43] to get to school because we lack
those sidewalks here currently
[1:38:47] With that, I'll open
it up to council
[1:38:48] for questions or comments.
[1:38:51] So I'd like to see more patio
homes and some over 55 and older
[1:38:56] homes ranches versus a bunch
more apartments and townhomes,
[1:39:00] which, you know, people
they insurance on some
[1:39:03] of these multi roofed buildings
are impossible to get insurance
[1:39:09] and they're outrageous
for the resident.
[1:39:11] So I'd really press
on them to really try
[1:39:14] to bring in some
patio home ranch
[1:39:16] type style homes
that are cottage
[1:39:19] looking and cute with
backyards and areas
[1:39:23] that people can
downsize a little bit
[1:39:25] Since we built here with big
yards and can't afford water
[1:39:30] Be correct.
[1:39:32] Thank you.
[1:39:32] Can Council member
Morris the applicant
[1:39:35] will have a presentation and
they might be able to speak
[1:39:37] to some of the housing types.
[1:39:39] They're considering Thank you.
[1:39:42] Any further questions
from council ?
[1:39:45] I guess so.
[1:39:45] The applicant has a
presentation if they
[1:39:47] want to come forward and
give the presentation
[1:40:11] Giving idea how that Perfect.
[1:40:20] Thank you.
[1:40:21] You, Mayor and council members.
[1:40:23] My name is Brian Williamson.
[1:40:24] I'm with DST
Consulting Engineers.
[1:40:26] We are the planner and engineer
for the project Our Aubrey did
[1:40:30] a great job presenting to you,
so there's a lot of redundancy
[1:40:33] in our presentation.
[1:40:34] I'll skip over those
things pretty quickly.
[1:40:36] I want to introduce
our team So myself,
[1:40:38] Brian Williams and
also Lee Lowery
[1:40:40] from lowery Development Group.
[1:40:42] And then I have
John Sweet as well.
[1:40:44] He's the engineer on
the project unit, sir.
[1:40:46] Any technical
questions you have?
[1:40:48] I'm a trader.
[1:40:48] Really?
[1:40:49] For a second and then I'll
be right back Good evening.
[1:40:53] Good evening.
[1:40:53] Mayor Duncan and
Council members.
[1:40:55] Thank you for your
time this evening.
[1:40:57] My name is Leanne
Lowery, managing
[1:40:59] member of Whitehall
Development Partners,
[1:41:00] as well as Lowery Group.
[1:41:01] Ryan going to have most of
the nuts and bolts information
[1:41:04] for you tonight, but I just
wanted this to come up and say,
[1:41:07] how happy you are to present
this project to you tonight.
[1:41:11] This is one of three
projects that we
[1:41:12] currently have in johnstown.
[1:41:14] We love Johnstown It's
the our concentration
[1:41:17] in Northern Colorado.
[1:41:18] We love your comp plan.
[1:41:19] We follow your comp
plan to implement
[1:41:21] what you what your vision
is for the town We're in.
[1:41:26] All of our projects were long
time stakeholders in everything
[1:41:29] that we do So in
various projects
[1:41:31] we will if it's approved we will
be not only property owners.
[1:41:36] But stakeholders in the in
the town for decades to come.
[1:41:40] So we we really like it here.
[1:41:42] And it's just it's been
a pleasure We believe
[1:41:45] that this design that
we have for a while
[1:41:47] will greatly augment
the school and the site
[1:41:50] that where the school
is currently on I
[1:41:53] think not only does it
create for the town,
[1:41:56] but we also believe
it creates a community
[1:41:59] around the new high school.
[1:42:01] And just what an impressive
new school that is.
[1:42:03] We've had the
opportunity to tour
[1:42:04] the school with the
principal and spent
[1:42:06] almost four hours there.
[1:42:07] And it's just such
an impressive school.
[1:42:09] I believe this will augment
that very, very well Again,
[1:42:14] I just wanted to just
say a quick hello.
[1:42:16] I'll look forward to answering
your questions after an hour
[1:42:19] after Brian speaks.
[1:42:20] But I just wanted to take
up a quick thank you as 1 2
[1:42:22] the Planning Commission for
their review and approval
[1:42:25] definitely to town staff.
[1:42:26] They've been great, as
you can see, Ari, that was
[1:42:28] a lot of information there.
[1:42:29] But they've been great working
with Aubrey and Planning
[1:42:33] Director Queen
director Jennifer,
[1:42:35] and also just I can't say enough
how proud we are and happy to be
[1:42:40] able to working with this.
[1:42:41] Our family, the
current landowners,
[1:42:43] and to be able to
bring this project
[1:42:45] forward and implement
a lot of their vision,
[1:42:47] they had for the project.
[1:42:49] So we've been very honored to be
able to do that in their trust
[1:42:52] in us.
[1:42:52] So i'll bring up Brian and he'll
go through the nuts and bolts
[1:42:58] Thank you OK, so project
location, Highway 60 Colorado
[1:43:04] Boulevard The project surrounds
Rosebud High School Existing
[1:43:08] around it is agricultural
use The rezoning
[1:43:11] request I'm going
to kind of move
[1:43:12] through these pretty quickly.
[1:43:13] I think you guys have seen a
fair amount of information here.
[1:43:17] Here's the comprehensive plan.
[1:43:18] I think I've spent a good amount
of time working through that.
[1:43:20] So western to
thirds, a little bit
[1:43:22] lower density, Eastern one
third, a little bit higher
[1:43:24] density and intensity of uses.
[1:43:26] So the existing
zoning is the PUD.
[1:43:29] When that beauty
was put in place,
[1:43:30] there wasn't really
any anticipated thought
[1:43:33] for the future development.
[1:43:34] It really was about getting
the high school in there.
[1:43:36] So we're electing, you know, we
could do one of two tracks here.
[1:43:39] We could amend the PUD
and create standards
[1:43:43] We reviewed the land use code.
[1:43:44] I think the updates that
have happened recently
[1:43:46] in the land use code
lend itself to a lot
[1:43:48] of flexible development.
[1:43:49] So we are opting to propose
street zoning out here.
[1:43:53] This is the original proposal.
[1:43:54] So our two Four acres is
on the eastern side working
[1:43:59] as the intensity increases
are three than the mixed
[1:44:02] use neighborhood commercial.
[1:44:03] And that mixed use regional
commercial up at the top
[1:44:07] This exhibit shows the planning
Commission recommendations.
[1:44:10] So swapping this tract see
down here And you see my own?
[1:44:15] Yeah.
[1:44:16] OK.
[1:44:16] This tracks down here
from our 3 to our two.
[1:44:19] We don't really have a concern
about that Like as we work
[1:44:22] through that transition
of density, you know,
[1:44:24] we envision that R two is
going to be single family.
[1:44:26] Are the tracks c which
was our three before,
[1:44:30] would be a mix of single fan
blades attached and detached
[1:44:33] So not really kind of
going to those higher R
[1:44:36] three zoning districts.
[1:44:38] I think the intent originally
was to just have that transition
[1:44:41] on in the zoning, but I think
we can accomplish what we
[1:44:43] want to do in the R two there.
[1:44:46] Then they change the the
mixed use neighborhood
[1:44:49] commercial is is similar here.
[1:44:51] And then this piece
up here, which
[1:44:53] is tracks i think
they're G and F
[1:44:56] are changed from the mixed
use regional commercial
[1:45:00] to the mixed use
neighborhood commercial.
[1:45:03] We have a slate modification
that we would like you
[1:45:04] to consider and that is moving
that regional commercial down
[1:45:08] to that southeast
corner of the site.
[1:45:11] The reason that
we're asking for that
[1:45:13] is there's a specific use
in that zoning district.
[1:45:15] And I touched on a little bit
which is the indoor outdoor
[1:45:19] recreation, the mixed use
neighborhood commercial has it,
[1:45:23] but it is capped at
an 8,000 square foot.
[1:45:26] One of the thoughts is that
as the high school developed
[1:45:30] in the towers were very
instrumental in getting
[1:45:32] that project through the
process and dedicating
[1:45:35] the ground for it, they were
hoping to have a facility that
[1:45:38] could support full year round
training that would help
[1:45:44] the high school athletes
and other athletes
[1:45:46] in the in the region.
[1:45:48] We understand that there are
concerns about that zoning
[1:45:51] district up against the existing
residential that happens
[1:45:55] on the north side of
the railroad tracks
[1:45:57] We think that
moving it down here
[1:45:58] is probably a better
fit for that location
[1:46:01] So we'd ask you guys to consider
that option as you're approving.
[1:46:06] Hopefully approving
the application
[1:46:08] to So a quick overview of
the preliminary plat there.
[1:46:13] We have the tracks
that are laid out.
[1:46:15] Those zoning colors match
the original application.
[1:46:19] We do have zoning
caps on tracks,
[1:46:21] air density caps not
density, but max number
[1:46:23] of unit caps on
tracks A, B and C,
[1:46:26] and you can see those
there 175 units on tract A
[1:46:30] that ends up being
4.6 dwelling units.
[1:46:32] The acre maximum of 165 on
track B that would be 4.9.
[1:46:37] Dwelling needs to the
acre and a max of 184.
[1:46:40] That's eight dwelling units.
[1:46:41] The acre on track C
tracks d E f and g.
[1:46:45] Those are a little
less certain right now.
[1:46:47] So we're not proposing
any standards there
[1:46:49] I think will be
back in front of you
[1:46:51] for a preliminary on
all of those parcels
[1:46:53] as we work through
the process and kind
[1:46:55] of understand how those mixes
work better in the future.
[1:46:59] Landscaping trails you guys
had a question for Aubrey
[1:47:01] about that, so I'd love to
talk about it a little bit
[1:47:04] So we do have complete
street lights,
[1:47:07] tree lined streets there
would be built in phased
[1:47:10] as the development
goes So, you know,
[1:47:13] we wouldn't be
building streets that
[1:47:14] are going to be empty for a
substantial period of time.
[1:47:17] We want to get
those streets built
[1:47:19] at the time of
adjacent development
[1:47:22] But, you know, we have a pond
up here in the south east corner
[1:47:26] of Tract a that
would be a detention
[1:47:28] pond in a non-potable pond.
[1:47:31] So we would have
a nonprofit system
[1:47:32] that would run all of
the outdoor irrigation
[1:47:34] for the entire development,
both serving all
[1:47:36] of the common open
spaces but also serving
[1:47:39] the individual houses as well.
[1:47:42] This yellow line represents
kind of the regional trail that
[1:47:46] is called out in Your
Trails master plan
[1:47:48] So it doesn't
necessarily directly
[1:47:49] connect to the
high school, but we
[1:47:50] do have plans to
kind of integrate
[1:47:52] through the track developed
meant to make those connections
[1:47:55] to the high school.
[1:47:56] We do want to be kind
of deliberate about how
[1:47:59] we're tying the development
into the high school.
[1:48:00] We don't really want
these, let's say,
[1:48:03] porous barriers between them.
[1:48:05] We want to have specific
points of access
[1:48:07] So we've identified one that is
right up here that would come
[1:48:11] from tract A into
the the high school
[1:48:14] And then I think all the
other access points are going
[1:48:16] to come from the South Really.
[1:48:18] We don't want to have you
know, as kids come out,
[1:48:21] we don't want them filtering
into the development.
[1:48:24] I think we just want to have
like very clear points of access
[1:48:27] where the development
interfaces with high school.
[1:48:30] I have a little cross section
here of what the swale is.
[1:48:34] So i forget to
mention that there
[1:48:36] is an existing long tail
water ditch that comes
[1:48:38] through the property here.
[1:48:40] This is the existing
alignment of it.
[1:48:42] We're going to really line that
to kind of be a little bit more
[1:48:46] friendly to the character of
the neighborhood Also, it helps.
[1:48:50] There's kind of some significant
slopes that come from 46
[1:48:53] down into that drainage.
[1:48:54] So kind of moving that a
little bit to the north
[1:48:56] helps even all that out.
[1:48:58] So there would be
a trail corridor
[1:48:59] with the gates constructed
when that ditch gets realigned.
[1:49:03] This is kind of a cross section
of what that would look like.
[1:49:05] So there would be
a ten foot concrete
[1:49:06] trail on the South side,
trees on both sides.
[1:49:11] There's a 41ft bus bottom to
that swale because it does take
[1:49:16] a substantial amount
of storm drainage
[1:49:18] as well as the water that's
in the in the ditch right now.
[1:49:22] If I were to draw that out,
the trees would look super tiny
[1:49:26] in this cross section.
[1:49:26] So we just kind of
like a abbreviated it.
[1:49:28] But you can see,
you know this is
[1:49:30] about 20ft here on this bench.
[1:49:33] So ten foot of trail.
[1:49:34] And then about ten feet of
landscaping that that trail is
[1:49:36] going to kind of meander
through that bench
[1:49:39] So it's not just kind of
like a street alignment there
[1:49:42] but that kind of gives
you a sense of, you know,
[1:49:44] double that space is
going to be at the bottom
[1:49:46] of that ditch intersection.
[1:49:49] We are we spent a lot of
time talking about this
[1:49:50] at the neighborhood
meeting so I wanted to make
[1:49:52] sure that it was included here.
[1:49:54] The Blue Stars represent
right in, right
[1:49:55] out access points The Red Stars
represent full movement assets,
[1:49:59] access points.
[1:50:01] I think, there's a red star
on the roundabout at Roosevelt
[1:50:05] right now at the intersection
of 46 and Colorado boulevard.
[1:50:10] We're anticipating there
might be another either
[1:50:11] a signal or a roundabout there.
[1:50:13] We're working through that kind
of as we go into final design,
[1:50:16] these intersections that
are set on 46 are kind
[1:50:20] of at the standard
intersection spacing
[1:50:23] So you can see that
we've got 660ft
[1:50:25] to that First access point.
[1:50:26] That's going to be a right in
right out your full movement
[1:50:29] intersections have
to be that 13 20
[1:50:32] or a quarter of
a mile separation
[1:50:33] from the major intersections.
[1:50:35] So then you can see
as we go through,
[1:50:36] we're just kind of hitting
that same rhythm of 13, 20
[1:50:39] plus or minus a
little bit and then
[1:50:41] we will be building
Roosevelt, the extension,
[1:50:43] Roosevelt over to the east.
[1:50:45] So that will be ready
for future development.
[1:50:47] Is that next parcel comes
through infrastructure.
[1:50:51] A water and sewer service
would be provided by the town.
[1:50:54] The developer will build
the infrastructure dedicate
[1:50:56] to the town just like all the
other developments will have
[1:50:59] a non portable water
system that serves
[1:51:00] the open space and the lots.
[1:51:03] That non-potable
system is proposed
[1:51:05] to be operated by a
metropolitan district
[1:51:06] just so there's some security
about how that operates
[1:51:11] Neighborhood compatibility We
talked a little bit about you
[1:51:14] know, what's appropriate against
the existing residential.
[1:51:17] So there are 30 foot
require landscape
[1:51:19] buffers from all arterials.
[1:51:21] And then there's density
transitions and setbacks.
[1:51:23] So we kind of worked the density
transitions through that zoning,
[1:51:26] but as well there are
setbacks that are used,
[1:51:29] determined setbacks that
would happen at the time
[1:51:32] of individual sightline.
[1:51:33] So between residential
and commercial,
[1:51:35] between commercial
and industrial,
[1:51:37] between independent uses
that are conflicting,
[1:51:40] your land use code does a
great job of just describe
[1:51:43] what those buffers need to
be Construction and bathing.
[1:51:51] So we will phase
the development.
[1:51:52] So we're not going to
build everything at first.
[1:51:55] And you know but there'll
be critical infrastructure
[1:51:56] that needs to be built in.
[1:51:59] We'll work we're starting
to work on the final plat
[1:52:01] and construct
construction drawings,
[1:52:03] and those will
include the phasing.
[1:52:04] So each piece will be you know,
as the first piece comes in,
[1:52:09] there'll be supporting
infrastructure that that serves
[1:52:11] that everything that's
required They're
[1:52:13] going to be based,
developed, based
[1:52:15] on market demands and timing.
[1:52:16] So we don't have like
we're not breaking ground
[1:52:18] like in a certain time And
then but we do think, you know,
[1:52:23] it's possible.
[1:52:24] We would be starting
construction,
[1:52:25] probably in in
the summer of 2027
[1:52:29] schedule next steps we
did have neighborhood
[1:52:31] meeting on May 12th.
[1:52:32] As I mentioned, we had the
planning commission a couple
[1:52:35] of weeks ago on July 8th.
[1:52:36] We're here today, July 20,
which is the town board hearing.
[1:52:40] And then we'll be making a
final plat submittal shortly
[1:52:42] after this hearing
And I'm here to answer
[1:52:47] any questions you might
have about the development.
[1:52:49] Lee and John are also available
if you guys have questions
[1:52:51] that I can't answer.
[1:52:54] Thank you.
[1:52:54] Covered a lot of the nuts
and bolts, as Lee put it.
[1:52:57] So the answer my
question to the trails
[1:52:59] because I know it's very
important to the community
[1:53:02] I don't have any further
questions I'll kick it over
[1:53:05] to council for any
questions Do you know
[1:53:10] which plat you'll do first?
[1:53:13] It's anticipated that
the single family
[1:53:16] will probably happen first.
[1:53:17] The upper left?
[1:53:19] Yeah, probably a or A
or B, I mean, probably.
[1:53:23] I think a there's some
things that happened
[1:53:25] with on a like the
nine part system
[1:53:27] that really make that
required at the beginning
[1:53:30] you could develop a nonpartisan
them and not the rest of GI
[1:53:33] tract A but right now it looks
like tract eight would probably
[1:53:35] be we would start kind of on
the east the northeast ways
[1:53:40] and move to the west.
[1:53:40] Yeah.
[1:53:41] OK.
[1:53:41] Thank you So as far as
that phasing is concerned.
[1:53:47] Then, because you said that
you wouldn't necessarily
[1:53:50] make all of those
improvements to roadways
[1:53:52] and you would clearly have to
make that extension Are you
[1:53:59] saying you just wouldn't
implement the north south roads
[1:54:04] then through cD any correct.
[1:54:08] Yeah Yeah.
[1:54:10] You know, yeah, the Roosevelt
extension would have to go
[1:54:13] through right There would need
to be some other second point
[1:54:15] of access that would
come up to tract
[1:54:18] a whether that's an emergency
access easement or a 4th Street.
[1:54:21] I think we're still working
through kind of what
[1:54:23] those phasing details would look
like I think that, you know,
[1:54:29] there's a possibility
that there's
[1:54:30] some synergy between
tract A and tract B
[1:54:32] and maybe some of that
stuff gets built in kind
[1:54:35] of a consecutive phase Thanks.
[1:54:41] What's feeding that pond?
[1:54:42] Is it a spring over
there, or just does it.
[1:54:46] Keep pretty good levels
of water because it's
[1:54:48] not exactly by the swale
that you're mentioning?
[1:54:51] No.
[1:54:52] So that would be
fed with raw water.
[1:54:55] That's currently be
used for irrigation
[1:54:58] on the site so the egg water
that's being used there.
[1:55:01] OK.
[1:55:02] Thank you Any further
questions from Council?
[1:55:08] Mr. All right.
[1:55:10] Thank you.
[1:55:10] With that will go ahead and open
up public comment for anybody
[1:55:14] who's for against
the application
[1:55:16] This is your time
to come up and speak
[1:55:18] Would anybody like to speak
for or against the application
[1:55:22] or All right.
[1:55:25] Nothing heard.
[1:55:25] We have anything online, Megan?
[1:55:28] No comments online.
[1:55:29] Thank you Before we close
out the public hearing,
[1:55:32] would Council like to take
any further deliberation
[1:55:37] on these this resolution
and ordinance before us
[1:55:39] tonight All right.
[1:55:42] Nothing her with that.
[1:55:44] We'll go ahead and close up.
[1:55:45] You got some
yourselves, Mr. Mayor.
[1:55:46] May I make one ask one question
of the applicant in case
[1:55:49] you all decide to go with
their revised proposal
[1:55:53] I'm reading it just for
purposes of the motion.
[1:55:55] If the council decides to go
with your proposed revisions
[1:55:59] that tract G and F would
change to Amu and c tract E
[1:56:05] would be new.
[1:56:06] R C and tract C
would be are two.
[1:56:10] That's correct.
[1:56:11] OK.
[1:56:12] Thank you so that's the
approval with conditions
[1:56:15] is what you're
asking for to bring
[1:56:17] that commercial down, correct?
[1:56:19] Yeah.
[1:56:19] I think there's the
initial application.
[1:56:22] There's the conditions that were
set by the Planning Commission
[1:56:25] and then we kind of have
given you a Third option
[1:56:35] Any further questions for we
close out the public hearing
[1:56:40] All right.
[1:56:40] We're going to close out
the public hearing of a I'll
[1:56:44] go ahead and ask the pleasure of
the Council of resolution number
[1:56:47] 2026 dash three five Five 2952
I move to approve ordinance
[1:56:58] So I move to approve orton's
2026 DoorDash 35 for the White
[1:57:03] tail filing number
to preliminary plat
[1:57:05] as presented Second
motion by Councilmember
[1:57:12] Berg, seconded by Council.
[1:57:15] Merman's is going to put
it to electronic vote.
[1:57:17] Please I have a motion
carries with that clerk.
[1:57:25] Can I have you read the
ordinance title for 70 audience
[1:57:36] number 2020 6-2 94 Approving the
rezoning of real property known
[1:57:41] as White House Subdivision
and filing number two located
[1:57:44] on the East have at the
southwest corner and south east
[1:57:47] corner of Section 12 Township
four north Range 68 west
[1:57:52] of the six principal meridian
town of Johnstown county, well,
[1:57:55] state of Colorado consisting of
approximately 163.39 acres from
[1:58:01] planned unit development mixed
use puti at Amu to mixed density
[1:58:06] neighborhood are two
high density neighborhood
[1:58:09] are three mixed use neighborhood
commercial m u c and mixed use.
[1:58:15] Regional commercial m u r c And
if I could just before you all
[1:58:20] deliberate and
decide how to vote
[1:58:21] just for clarity of the record.
[1:58:23] So the ordinance
that was presented
[1:58:25] reflects the initial application
by the applicant for planning
[1:58:31] and Zoning Commission
recommended
[1:58:33] a modification and the
applicant can is now
[1:58:37] proposed the third
alternative of which I
[1:58:39] believe is a compromise.
[1:58:40] So you may just consider that if
you're going to move to approve
[1:58:47] the ordinance as
presented, it's going
[1:58:48] to be the original
application Or if you
[1:58:50] want that ordinance amended
somehow, just let us know.
[1:58:53] And then we can Amanda
for a second reading OK.
[1:59:00] You go in as opposed
to council Mr. Mayor,
[1:59:05] I move to approve
ordinance number 2026
[1:59:08] to 95 to White House filing.
[1:59:09] Number two, rezone with
the following conditions as
[1:59:14] stated in the recommendations
as presented by the developer
[1:59:17] today.
[1:59:20] Second motion by
Councilmember burke,
[1:59:22] seconded by Councilmember
Come, put it
[1:59:24] to vote, please Ayes have it.
[1:59:31] Motion carries with that we'll
go ahead and open our next
[1:59:34] public hearing ordinance 2020
6-295 An ordinance establish
[1:59:39] a temporary moratorium on
the data center facilities
[1:59:42] in the town of
Johnson And I'm going
[1:59:44] to ask for a staff report Good
evening, Mayor and council.
[1:59:48] Hope we're all doing
well this evening.
[1:59:50] Before you do have ordinance
number 2026 dash 295.
[1:59:57] The result of the work session
that we conducted with the town
[2:00:02] council staff conduct
with the town council
[2:00:07] to actually discuss
data centers and begin
[2:00:10] the educational and
informational process
[2:00:12] related there to the moratorium
that is presented to you.
[2:00:17] I would establish a 12 month
moratorium piggybacking
[2:00:22] on the committee that was
established we would utilize
[2:00:28] the committee together for
information or staff would be
[2:00:32] providing them with information
to evaluate the alternatives
[2:00:36] related to a data center I
would note that once a policy is
[2:00:42] established, whether
that is to establish form
[2:00:45] or a full prohibition
on related to data
[2:00:49] centers or something that does
permit data centers at that time
[2:00:55] in the 12 month moratorium would
cease to exist if, for whatever
[2:01:00] reason that committee desires to
collect additional information.
[2:01:05] And that goes beyond
the 12 month period,
[2:01:07] we would bring something back
that would continue to extend
[2:01:10] that moratorium until a date
certain or until the committee
[2:01:15] actually is completed Staff does
recommend approval of Ordinance
[2:01:20] 2020 6-2 95 as presented
on first reading
[2:01:27] Happy to answer
any questions you
[2:01:28] might have I'm only questions.
[2:01:31] I think we've hammered is
pretty hard in the working
[2:01:34] meeting and I in support
of the one year moratorium.
[2:01:37] But I'll open it up to Council
for deliberations or questions
[2:01:43] you may have for Matt
Matt, does the year
[2:01:46] start after second reading?
[2:01:49] Yes.
[2:01:51] So actually the year would
start after the effective date,
[2:01:55] which is Seven days
after the second reading.
[2:02:00] So that would be
roughly August 10th.
[2:02:03] Sounds about right.
[2:02:04] Thank you.
[2:02:06] You Any other council comments
or questions other All right.
[2:02:18] With that, we'll go ahead
and open public comment.
[2:02:21] We'll start off with Angela
Swanson Good evening, Mayor.
[2:02:30] Council members and staff,
Thank you for the opportunity
[2:02:33] to speak tonight.
[2:02:35] While data centers can
drive economic investment,
[2:02:38] even mid-scale facilities bring
profound, complex challenges
[2:02:41] that need rigorous
local oversight
[2:02:44] This type of development
risks straining
[2:02:46] our city's resources and land.
[2:02:48] So I believe it is in
john's town's best interest
[2:02:51] to put in place a lengthy
moratorium or even a ban.
[2:02:54] So our city leaders
can do the work
[2:02:56] and research including following
up on what's happening.
[2:02:59] And other cities that
have already adopted
[2:03:01] these across the nation.
[2:03:03] While the moratorium provides
necessary time for research,
[2:03:07] it could also include
establishing long, robust zoning
[2:03:10] and protections to put
an actual center in place
[2:03:14] So I guess my primary concern is
the potential for the moratorium
[2:03:18] to end prematurely, and
the public not fully be
[2:03:21] aware due to all the time
that has passed specifically,
[2:03:25] I'm wondering what public
notice and hearing standards
[2:03:27] will apply if that occurs.
[2:03:30] Will local hearing
notification remain
[2:03:32] standard to our already set rule
of ten days prior to a hearing ?
[2:03:37] Or will we make more of an
effort to ensure the public has
[2:03:40] the genuine seat at the table?
[2:03:41] Obviously, some
of these questions
[2:03:43] have been answered tonight
because I do believe the step
[2:03:46] to form the advisory
committee would be helpful,
[2:03:48] but only in gathering that
large of a body of research.
[2:03:51] Because when it comes to
voting, the actual decisions
[2:03:55] are made at the hearings by
the governing body in place.
[2:03:58] I've been in my own
neighborhood meeting
[2:04:00] where everyone in attendance
was against something
[2:04:02] and the motion passed anyway I'm
not insinuating that this is how
[2:04:05] it always goes, but this has
been what I've experienced
[2:04:08] and it was very
discouraged Judging as far
[2:04:10] as influence and advocacy goes.
[2:04:13] Ultimately I'd like to
see our notification
[2:04:15] practices on larger
decisions like this
[2:04:18] improved to be beyond standard.
[2:04:20] I believe current
practices leave residents
[2:04:23] to be the ones to that
must actively monitor how
[2:04:26] this situation
unfolds especially
[2:04:28] over the period of a
year A thorough review
[2:04:32] process through a moratorium
is a necessary and honorable
[2:04:35] first step.
[2:04:36] But staying informed and engaged
is the next and much harder
[2:04:40] step for our community
at this point.
[2:04:42] I guess my message switches
over to my fellow residents
[2:04:46] in that regardless of serving
on tonight's proposed committee
[2:04:50] or not, we all have
to stay vigilant,
[2:04:52] keep each other in the loop and
i ask that we dig really, really
[2:04:56] deep when it comes to using our
collective resources and skills
[2:05:00] to keep tabs on what happens
next going forward So
[2:05:03] thank you Thank you.
[2:05:05] Thank you We have Suzanne
and Black next, please Hello.
[2:05:18] Thank you for letting me speak.
[2:05:19] I hadn't really planned
on saying anything.
[2:05:23] I've lived in
Johnstone for 29 years.
[2:05:26] Lots of changes in that time.
[2:05:28] I've raised children
here, but things
[2:05:32] that I've noticed in
the last few years
[2:05:33] are very concerning to me.
[2:05:34] Regarding town government
and most recently this issue
[2:05:40] that's at hand.
[2:05:41] But I wanted to personally ask
if anybody on this committee
[2:05:46] has personally signed
any NDA or any agreement,
[2:05:50] any private communication,
such as meetings,
[2:05:53] phone calls, private messages,
emails with any developer
[2:05:56] company landowner, land
owner or representative
[2:05:59] regarding any current
or potential project.
[2:06:02] The good affect the
town of John's town
[2:06:04] or surrounding areas
in any negative way.
[2:06:09] No Nobody going to
mention anything.
[2:06:11] OK.
[2:06:12] All right.
[2:06:12] I just The mayor
ran on transparency
[2:06:15] and I don't feel like
that always happens.
[2:06:18] So I just wanted
to make that clear
[2:06:20] that those are things that
we are very concerned about.
[2:06:23] Thank you.
[2:06:24] Thank you.
[2:06:26] Next up is Dana Karcher.
[2:06:29] Rodger So, sure, if I say that
correctly Mayor, Mayor Pro
[2:06:36] Tem Council members and staff.
[2:06:38] My name is Dana Karcher
I live at 6 to 3.
[2:06:41] Charlotte Street in
regards to the ordinance
[2:06:44] before you tonight
I believe it is
[2:06:45] really disrespectful to
the citizens of Johnstown.
[2:06:48] And it's timing and wording
and this is something
[2:06:51] that I've witnessed before is a
disrespect towards the citizens
[2:06:54] who are out here talking about
something that they do not want
[2:06:59] to develop, an ordinance
that would change
[2:07:00] the very face of our
community based on the fact
[2:07:02] that as soon as the
fact finding is done,
[2:07:05] something could be
rushed through Now,
[2:07:08] this may change with
this committee idea,
[2:07:10] but the fact of the matter
is this is not one year,
[2:07:13] this is what gets done first.
[2:07:14] And we need to quit
saying it's one year.
[2:07:16] It needs to be One
year or longer.
[2:07:19] So the wording town
attorney is incorrect.
[2:07:22] Also, it's very loose and
we could be sued on that.
[2:07:26] Or you could be sued
on that very easily.
[2:07:29] We all know that Councilman
bashford has said publicly
[2:07:33] that he is against any ordinance
that brings up a moratorium
[2:07:36] for anything in this community.
[2:07:38] We haven't even heard what the
community thinks yet about this.
[2:07:42] So I believe it's
disrespect for.
[2:07:44] I'd like to see it reworded
so that it actually
[2:07:47] says one year and beyond.
[2:07:48] So that we can actually
find out what this is
[2:07:51] going to do to our community.
[2:07:52] Thank you Thank you Pauline,
can have you come up.
[2:08:00] I'm not going to try
to say your last name
[2:08:03] because I butchered
every time out of respect
[2:08:09] Pauline Emilio Migliore.
[2:08:10] 337.
[2:08:11] Granite Way I urge
the Council to approve
[2:08:15] the ordinance for the
moratorium and here's why.
[2:08:19] Johnstown is a
distinctive community,
[2:08:21] and we, the people who
call it home possess
[2:08:23] immense pride in our town.
[2:08:25] We celebrate our pride are
proud to agricultural heritage.
[2:08:31] It's welcoming family friendly
atmosphere and local values.
[2:08:36] Johnstown abounds
with beautiful repair
[2:08:38] and areas open, spacious and
vistas of the front range.
[2:08:42] It's a natural canvas
that sets the town
[2:08:44] apart and invites
people to slow down
[2:08:47] and take it all in open space.
[2:08:49] TrailHeads rest areas
along the trails, parks
[2:08:52] create creekside areas.
[2:08:53] The johnstown Reservoir, our
present natural opportunities
[2:08:58] where residents go
to recharge recreate
[2:09:00] and connect with the landscape.
[2:09:02] We love.
[2:09:03] The guiding principles
of community
[2:09:04] centeredness inclusivity,
accessibility
[2:09:07] engagement, partnership.
[2:09:09] Collaboration and all
of that good stuff
[2:09:11] is why i made Johnstown my
home for the past ten years.
[2:09:16] So do these sound familiar?
[2:09:18] They're all direct quotes from
the Johnstown Public Art Plain
[2:09:22] as you hear from citizens.
[2:09:24] This evening during the
ordinance And yourselves.
[2:09:26] Ask yourselves, how can
you logically square
[2:09:30] the careful work of the steering
committee town staff, council,
[2:09:34] seated at the time of
stakeholder interviews focus
[2:09:38] groups, community engagement,
pop ups, community service
[2:09:42] steering committee workshops
mapping charrette, and to town
[2:09:45] council sessions for a public
arts program with a plan
[2:09:49] apparently developed
outside Johnstown Charter
[2:09:52] Authority other words,
help us understand
[2:09:56] why seeking community
input for a public art plan
[2:10:00] requires Herculean effort.
[2:10:03] And this ordinance does
not I urge you to approve
[2:10:08] the current ordinance, and I
applaud the advice re committee
[2:10:12] being suggested tonight because
it seems to me it's long overdue
[2:10:17] and a reaction to
the feedback council
[2:10:19] has received recently rather
than intentional planning.
[2:10:24] So please approve this.
[2:10:27] Get this committee
seated and listen
[2:10:30] to the citizens of Johnstown.
[2:10:33] Regardless of what your
preconceived desires are.
[2:10:37] Thank you.
[2:10:38] Thank you Next up is Lisa Lang
Thank you for having me, Mayor.
[2:10:52] Council and staff, town attorney
I have something written down,
[2:10:59] but I was thinking as I
was driving to this meeting
[2:11:02] a long time ago when I got here
how beautiful the land is here
[2:11:07] and how I'm driving
through it is so soothing
[2:11:13] that the the farms, the ranches,
the little farm homes, the small
[2:11:22] coming through town
and to miles an hour,
[2:11:25] you know, just the whole feeling
of slowing down and taking
[2:11:29] a breath and enjoying the
beauty that most of Colorado
[2:11:34] wishes they had.
[2:11:35] And they don't What we
do here in Johnstown
[2:11:40] about data centers matters.
[2:11:45] This decision is bigger than
just us These decisions are
[2:11:50] for our families, our
children, our grandkids
[2:11:52] And they also may have serious
impacts on surrounding cities
[2:11:56] and townships in our area
along the Front Range
[2:12:02] But just because big
tech is in a race
[2:12:05] for dominance
control and big money
[2:12:06] doesn't mean that
we're in that race.
[2:12:09] It's our responsibility to make
choices that are best for us
[2:12:13] here in Johnstown
and for our community
[2:12:16] There's time This will not
be a one time only decision
[2:12:19] but will have lasting effects
that may that we may or may not
[2:12:22] get a second chance to get right
I do support a one year to 18
[2:12:27] month moratorium on any
data center consideration
[2:12:31] and/or for as long as it takes
for us to know, understand,
[2:12:35] and decide if data
centers are right for us
[2:12:42] Time to create safeguards
for our residents,
[2:12:45] for the power grid for our
water resources our air quality.
[2:12:49] The noise alone
would make anyone
[2:12:50] think more on the subject.
[2:12:53] We want to breathe clean air.
[2:12:54] We want to drink clean water
We want to look at the stars.
[2:12:57] We want to enjoy Colorado for
the beautiful state that it is.
[2:13:00] Perhaps these data
centers need to be tested.
[2:13:02] Reviewed.
[2:13:03] Researched.
[2:13:04] They may need to evolve into
something that makes more sense
[2:13:07] or has less negative
impacts on our environment.
[2:13:10] You know, flying
cars don't make any
[2:13:12] more sense today than
they did in The Jetsons
[2:13:14] cartoons in the 1960s.
[2:13:16] The government literally tested
the atomic bomb in Alamogordo,
[2:13:20] New Mexico So that doesn't
make any sense either.
[2:13:23] The point is, we do not have to
rush to a decision that may take
[2:13:27] forever that may forever change
the landscape of our countryside
[2:13:31] and our lifestyle.
[2:13:33] I believe such
decisions should be made
[2:13:35] by the people in our community.
[2:13:37] This is not a one man show.
[2:13:39] I thought you
respect the council.
[2:13:42] The mayor have been
elected by this community
[2:13:44] and are expected to
be representatives
[2:13:46] of all your constituents
and cities represent us.
[2:13:49] Put it to a vote to the
Johnstone community.
[2:13:52] Let us have a choice
in our future.
[2:13:54] And I do appreciate the comments
and the resolution of bringing
[2:13:59] up a committee of residents.
[2:14:02] I'm not sure how
that's going to look
[2:14:06] in the future I'm not sure how
you're going to select people.
[2:14:09] I don't know if that's going
to weed out or weed in biases.
[2:14:14] If we say we're
for or against it,
[2:14:17] does that mean, we're
out or in or whatever?
[2:14:20] I think that's an issue
that probably needs
[2:14:22] to be thought about before
any kind of PowerPoints
[2:14:31] or talking points.
[2:14:32] Who's going to be elected
or who's going to be select
[2:14:35] voted to be on that committee.
[2:14:37] And I hope that the committee is
is gets along and is able to get
[2:14:46] the information that we need.
[2:14:48] I think that we need to look
at the data centers that
[2:14:51] are already underway that are
built and that are functioning
[2:14:57] and see what the impact of
the community you know impact
[2:15:02] of the centers have
on the community
[2:15:04] And you brought up earlier
Councilwoman Morris
[2:15:10] about the lawsuit,
that lawsuit for 233,
[2:15:15] Bill in gallons of of water
from the Imperial Valley,
[2:15:21] which the imperial
Valley in California
[2:15:23] only received its water
from the Colorado River.
[2:15:27] So this data center
is One of the largest.
[2:15:30] It will be the
largest in California.
[2:15:31] And yet, if it's built
in the Imperial valley,
[2:15:34] it has now filed a
lawsuit demanding access
[2:15:38] to 233 million gallons of
water from the Colorado River
[2:15:45] Do we want to be those townships
or the cities that are being
[2:15:50] attacked and lawsuits
filed against us
[2:15:53] for the same situation
Thank you for your time.
[2:15:56] Thank you, Lisa All right.
[2:16:03] With that, do we have any
online public comment?
[2:16:07] Milton, can you do you have
one online public comment?
[2:16:12] Let me put up One moment Comment
was received from Jessica frey.
[2:16:24] 132 Jennings Lane and Johnstown
According to his comments
[2:16:30] on Next Door, a post
about Johnstown and data
[2:16:32] centers Nick Bashford
has already decided he
[2:16:35] will vote no on the moratorium.
[2:16:37] To quote him directly, I
have a lot of experience
[2:16:40] in all of this, enough to
advise on smart policy.
[2:16:43] I hope the rest of
council and the Mayor
[2:16:45] will listen to the people of
Johnstown and their concerns.
[2:16:47] First.
[2:16:48] At the work session last week,
no one from the council or town
[2:16:51] staff could say whether the
water needed for cooling
[2:16:54] has to be portable.
[2:16:55] When asked whether there was
data on the number of gallons
[2:16:58] needed for a closed loop
system, the town staff
[2:17:01] explained they could
not find sources
[2:17:03] they felt were factual
enough to include them
[2:17:05] in their presentation
and so that information
[2:17:07] wasn't provided by them.
[2:17:09] This is likely due to the Nda's
municipality is required to sign
[2:17:12] as a condition of bringing
datacentres to their communities
[2:17:15] which severely limits
what's publicly
[2:17:17] known about these facilities.
[2:17:18] Impact on water
supplies and power
[2:17:20] grids It should concern everyone
that these companies require
[2:17:23] an NDA to keep that information
private and the town staff
[2:17:27] decide.
[2:17:27] Despite significant
research, still could not
[2:17:30] find it for the work session.
[2:17:31] What's before you tonight is
a request that the town do
[2:17:34] its due diligence and gather all
available factual information
[2:17:38] before making a decision that
will affect the community.
[2:17:40] Passing a moratorium.
[2:17:42] Given this body's
responsibilities to
[2:17:44] the community, Fiduciary yes.
[2:17:46] But also public welfare
and civic stewardship.
[2:17:48] I hope and expect that proper
time will be given to ensure
[2:17:51] our community and the citizens
who elected you are protected
[2:17:54] and that a quick decision isn't
made without proper vetting.
[2:17:57] Thank you for your time.
[2:17:59] Thank you.
[2:18:00] With that will go and close
out public comment before we
[2:18:02] close out the public hearing.
[2:18:04] This council want to
deliberate further.
[2:18:08] Actually, I want to know
if we can change the motion
[2:18:11] to include it to be one year.
[2:18:15] And when she said beyond
So how about we say
[2:18:18] 1 to 2 years until we have
the answers from the committee
[2:18:21] you suggested?
[2:18:23] Can we change that to
where that's on there?
[2:18:25] If you read it carefully
in Section three,
[2:18:29] what it says is 12
months, unless you adopt,
[2:18:33] decide you want
to adopt standards
[2:18:35] ahead of time which you can do.
[2:18:37] If not, it's 12 months.
[2:18:38] And then it says the town
council reserves the right
[2:18:41] to extend the moratorium if
the town council determines
[2:18:44] at its discretion
that additional time
[2:18:46] time is required to complete
the regulatory process.
[2:18:50] So we could certainly
change this to 18 months.
[2:18:53] If you want.
[2:18:54] But right now as
it is 12 months,
[2:18:57] you will still have the
opportunity in 11.5, 12 months
[2:19:01] to extend this if you want.
[2:19:02] This isn't foreclosing
a longer moratorium.
[2:19:07] So you do whatever direction
you all want to go Thank you.
[2:19:11] Obviously, the language
already supports if we want
[2:19:13] to come back and extend it out.
[2:19:15] Perfect Anything
further from council?
[2:19:19] No nothing further
on this topic.
[2:19:21] I do want to bring up
one of the comments,
[2:19:23] and I can only speak for myself.
[2:19:25] I was brought up.
[2:19:26] Did anybody you know, I can say
emphatically no that I am not
[2:19:30] on in the contract paid
supported by have anything
[2:19:35] to any developer or
any business that's
[2:19:39] moving to Johnston Somebody
stole the words out of my mouth.
[2:19:43] Those part of my
closing comments
[2:19:45] So I go on the record to
there's no NDA out there.
[2:19:48] There's no secret contract,
there's no conspiracy theory,
[2:19:51] there's no application
before the town.
[2:19:53] Sometimes as a leader you have
to be forward thinking You know,
[2:19:56] that's kind of the hard part.
[2:19:57] Being a mayor, period.
[2:19:58] You got to look 30 years ahead.
[2:20:00] And how we're going to keep
this town protected along with
[2:20:03] grow smart growth.
[2:20:05] So, you know, I want to record
there's nothing before us
[2:20:08] tonight and there's no NDA that
I've signed or seen or allegedly
[2:20:12] signed So you're welcome
with that Anything further
[2:20:16] from council?
[2:20:17] I'll also add
myself to that list.
[2:20:19] And that I have not
talked to any developers
[2:20:21] about data centers at all
either I'll follow up.
[2:20:26] I have not sign anything I don't
get Anti Kickback for anything.
[2:20:30] Look at my bank statement.
[2:20:33] It's pretty sad.
[2:20:35] Yes yes, yes.
[2:20:37] Well, I mean, being the
mayor's a tough gig.
[2:20:39] We get 185 bucks to
work in meetings.
[2:20:41] So it's not a I call it my
a part time full time job.
[2:20:45] You know, it takes a lot of
peer to answer a lot of citizens
[2:20:47] questions And I may not
get it right every time
[2:20:49] but at least try to make myself
available to hear everybody
[2:20:53] out and give some kind of outlet
to give you guys a voice back,
[2:20:58] you know, because when we
started transpo RNC up here,
[2:21:02] you know online public
comment wasn't read.
[2:21:04] You had three minutes to speak.
[2:21:06] Now you have five.
[2:21:06] An online public
comment is here.
[2:21:08] And if I can answer your
questions or get them answered,
[2:21:12] I'll get them answered here.
[2:21:13] I may not get it
the first time here.
[2:21:14] Maybe some follow up
or follow through.
[2:21:16] But hey, so minimum
stay on top of me
[2:21:18] because I get a lot of emails.
[2:21:20] I answer a lot of people back
and folks who mailed in that
[2:21:23] were against the data center.
[2:21:24] I took the time to email each
and every one of you back,
[2:21:27] and if I missed you I apologize.
[2:21:29] But I get a lot of emails So
it's a it's a tough job up here.
[2:21:34] Sometimes, but sometimes
you got to be the good guy,
[2:21:36] the bad guy or the neutral
guy because, you know,
[2:21:39] I'm representing 20,000
residents up here So I got
[2:21:42] to I got to work for everyone.
[2:21:44] Everyone's my boss here,
whether you know it or not.
[2:21:46] So thank you, Dave.
[2:21:48] You know I worked for a lot
more people than everyone,
[2:21:53] so I work for everyone
You know Yeah.
[2:21:58] How about we just keep the
conjecture down a little bit.
[2:22:02] And let's Let's keep it.
[2:22:04] Let's keep it even
flush with everybody.
[2:22:07] I think we've respected
you interrupt.
[2:22:09] You've had your cell phone
back for an extended period.
[2:22:11] Well, that's fine.
[2:22:12] That's my time up
here as a mayor.
[2:22:13] You're welcome to run for a city
council or town council whatever
[2:22:17] you find your time to serve
best up here and give your ideas
[2:22:21] and your conjecture We
have elections in 2028,
[2:22:24] so you're welcome to come
forward and put your put
[2:22:28] your name and face out there
and tell us what you're about
[2:22:30] and represent your community.
[2:22:32] We recommend that come forward.
[2:22:35] I like to see more participants
in the community step forward.
[2:22:38] Hey, when i got into
this business, I never
[2:22:42] been a politician.
[2:22:43] I was a military
guy for 20 years.
[2:22:44] And folks who they need
a little bit of change.
[2:22:46] But you know what?
[2:22:47] I'm gonna go throw
my hat in the ring
[2:22:48] and, hey, you can call it ugly.
[2:22:50] Good bad, ugly.
[2:22:52] You got to have
tough skin up here.
[2:22:53] We're not going to get
everything right tonight.
[2:22:56] But I think we've
listened to the citizens
[2:22:58] and we got an ordinance before
us to really do some research
[2:23:02] and dig into this and
give you guys voice back.
[2:23:04] And I think that's what's the
most important piece tonight.
[2:23:07] So with that, I'll go to
ask if there's anything
[2:23:08] further from the council for
I close out the public hearing
[2:23:10] on All right.
[2:23:13] Nothing further.
[2:23:14] I'm going to go ahead and
close out the public hearing
[2:23:16] and I'll go ahead and make the
motion to adopt ordinance number
[2:23:19] 2020 6-295 on first reading,
Establishing a temporary
[2:23:24] moratorium on the data
center facilities in the town
[2:23:26] of Johnstown, which prohibits
the town from accepting
[2:23:29] applications, are engaging in
precedent or activities for data
[2:23:32] center facilities for a period
of 12 months from an effective
[2:23:35] date of the ordinance.
[2:23:36] Second motion by myself seconded
by Council member Morris
[2:23:41] was go and put it to electronic.
[2:23:43] OK So in the read ordinance
title, first, Thank you, Mayor.
[2:23:46] You know, to myself
Ordinance number 2020 6-295.
[2:23:50] An ordinance establishing
a temporary moratorium
[2:23:52] on data center facilities
in the town of Johnstown.
[2:23:57] Thank you.
[2:23:57] With that, I'll go ahead
and put the electronic vote
[2:24:05] I thought the ayes
have it motion carries.
[2:24:07] Thank you, everybody,
for coming out tonight.
[2:24:09] With that, we're going to
move into council comments.
[2:24:12] I'll go and start off with
council member means is
[2:24:16] i think my group chief Oglesby
where are we with the weed
[2:24:28] mitigation ordinance that we
passed or have we been issuing
[2:24:32] citation and No, but we have.
[2:24:41] We did turn your Mike on Sorry.
[2:24:45] That's okay.
[2:24:47] Yeah They've been working very
hard on the weed situation.
[2:24:50] But I can't give you a
direct number right now.
[2:24:52] OK Because obviously,
with the drought weeds,
[2:24:56] weeds, love drought.
[2:24:57] I wish grass, love, drought
but weeds love drought.
[2:25:01] OK I know.
[2:25:06] I'm going back to a topic that
nobody wants to talk about,
[2:25:09] but have any matt or Mitzi
have any of the maintenance
[2:25:16] repair items that we brought up
to Dr. Coker on our 622 meeting.
[2:25:23] Been fixed or have they
presented bids to repair
[2:25:29] the things that were shown?
[2:25:31] Because Dr. Coker indicated that
he would look into it right away
[2:25:38] Mayor and council I'd have not
received nine communication
[2:25:42] regarding that, but I will
check into that this week
[2:25:45] and let me know at the
end of the week Also,
[2:25:51] Mr. Levinson mentioned that the
to her 2025 audit of the why
[2:25:58] was delayed due to the
vacation of the auditor,
[2:26:01] and he said that it would be
forthcoming after he returned
[2:26:06] from he or she
returned from vacation
[2:26:09] So it's been almost a month.
[2:26:11] Do we have the audit marion
Council We have not received
[2:26:17] the audit at this time.
[2:26:19] And I notice that
the June financials
[2:26:22] are not in the packet.
[2:26:23] So we have not received those as
well from the mayor and council.
[2:26:29] Those were received on
Friday some time, maybe.
[2:26:35] I don't recall
exactly what time,
[2:26:38] but the packet was already
distributed on Thursday
[2:26:41] as it normally is Right.
[2:26:44] OK Councilmember Morris you
have mentioned many times
[2:26:50] that your role on
the board of the YMCA
[2:26:53] is to improve the communication
between the town and the Y.
[2:26:57] So i would like to ask if
it would be possible for you
[2:27:00] to give us a report, a monthly
report from the board meetings
[2:27:05] and what's happening.
[2:27:07] And I think it's it's
important that we have
[2:27:11] this line of communication,
but we haven't heard from you
[2:27:16] since you've been on the
board of what goes on
[2:27:19] in their meetings and Well, I
have mentioned at least once,
[2:27:22] but we had some meetings
that were canceled.
[2:27:25] And then I recently aligned with
Brittany since she's taken over
[2:27:30] and she's going to
be giving me reports
[2:27:32] every month so that I can do it.
[2:27:34] I was suggesting on the
second meeting of the month,
[2:27:37] we did not have one in the last
month because of barbecue days.
[2:27:42] So that is so coming.
[2:27:46] What do they what
do they they meet
[2:27:48] the first Friday of every
month, first Friday at 730
[2:27:51] in the morning.
[2:27:52] And so did they not meet
in July either on that?
[2:27:57] Is that the one that
I did not go to?
[2:27:59] Yeah, I did not go to that one.
[2:28:00] I had staff in or family
in town and we were
[2:28:04] preparing for barbecue days.
[2:28:05] So I did not barbecue
days is in June.
[2:28:08] I'm asking about July.
[2:28:09] Oh, June, July seven.
[2:28:12] But it just be a similar report
that any other like the library
[2:28:19] board submits their
meeting minutes
[2:28:21] Could we just ask that the YMCA
would submit that same data?
[2:28:27] I'm fine with that.
[2:28:28] I just mean, if we
are really trying
[2:28:31] to improve our communicate and
I think it's important to know
[2:28:34] what the board is discussing.
[2:28:36] I mean, I come with
my behavioral health.
[2:28:38] I mean, we don't meet,
we meet quarterly.
[2:28:40] So it's, you know, it's
not a monthly situation
[2:28:43] but I think it's important for
all of us that serve on a board
[2:28:47] to bring that to council.
[2:28:50] So that we know what's happening
And I just would, you know,
[2:28:54] I know the is a hot
topic right now.
[2:28:57] And I think that
it's important for us
[2:28:59] to keep the line of
communication open
[2:29:02] and know what's going on there.
[2:29:04] And then they know
what's going on here.
[2:29:06] I agree.
[2:29:07] And I've asked in
the past from Pat
[2:29:10] and I think just the transition
between Pat and Britney
[2:29:13] and all the time last summer
that there were cancellations
[2:29:16] of meetings because of
staff being on vacation
[2:29:21] and then also the whole
entire topic of the why
[2:29:24] has kind of been in front of us.
[2:29:25] So I didn't think they had
anything specific extra
[2:29:29] that they needed to discuss.
[2:29:30] But I have already
put that in place.
[2:29:32] And she's going to be getting
me a report every month.
[2:29:35] And then it'll be
I'll, I'll talk
[2:29:37] about it at my council
meetings on the second meeting
[2:29:40] of the month.
[2:29:41] Okay That's great.
[2:29:42] Thank you.
[2:29:43] That's all I have.
[2:29:43] Thank you, Mayor.
[2:29:45] Councilmember Burke.
[2:29:46] Nothing's reported this
time Cast member Morris.
[2:29:52] So I just wanted to thank
everybody for coming out
[2:29:56] and for the passion that you
have for this town and the love
[2:30:00] that you have for this town and
everything that you've said.
[2:30:02] I know that there was a lot of
outbursts of happiness and joy
[2:30:06] for some comments and
i understand that.
[2:30:09] And it it's when you really
are passionate about something,
[2:30:13] it's hard to not let that out.
[2:30:15] So I do want to thank
everybody and for that
[2:30:18] as well And we're going to be
studying this with these folks.
[2:30:24] And hopefully learning more.
[2:30:25] All of us.
[2:30:26] And then I wanted
to ask why we're
[2:30:29] here about the why I'm not sure
if it's Matt that I ask you.
[2:30:33] Can you really
permission for the YMCA
[2:30:36] to be able to talk
to the auditor
[2:30:38] since they have agreed to
pay for half of the audit.
[2:30:41] So they can discuss the
numbers that were incorrect?
[2:30:45] So we can get this finalized?
[2:30:47] I know that they did
meet Mitzi and the CFO
[2:30:51] and they were wanting to try to
get that negotiated and there
[2:30:57] was I asked about the question,
speaking of the information
[2:31:00] from the way i did
end up asking him
[2:31:03] if they figured out what
the number was Because if we
[2:31:06] remember correctly when they
came before us marks that there
[2:31:08] was an exact number
on this spreadsheet
[2:31:10] out to the dollars
and cents that had
[2:31:14] to be wrong because
you can't come
[2:31:15] up with that same exact number.
[2:31:17] So I think that for all
intents and see that we be
[2:31:21] able to let them talk to them.
[2:31:23] So that they can question
and figure out what
[2:31:25] it is that might be missing
or that might be in error.
[2:31:29] So we can come to a
final dollar amount.
[2:31:31] And get this put behind us
Is that possible So Mayor
[2:31:37] and council the full
funds of 35,000 associated
[2:31:42] with the audit have been fully
expended There is no more money.
[2:31:48] So if I if they want
to talk to the auditors
[2:31:53] they would need to engage
contractually with i Bailey
[2:31:58] to continue that
process So they're not.
[2:32:04] So they're the auditors
are not allowed
[2:32:05] to talk to them about
mistakes or not mistakes
[2:32:09] that they made in the audit.
[2:32:11] So so the hours allocated for
that contract have been expended
[2:32:16] probably above and beyond that
isn't to say that they probably
[2:32:21] couldn't talk to the
auditors but they
[2:32:23] would need to go under
contract themselves
[2:32:25] to actually have to pay for it.
[2:32:29] Bailey To continue services,
if that was something I'd.
[2:32:32] Bailey wanted to continue
forward with, OK Brittany,
[2:32:36] can you pass that
information along?
[2:32:38] OK I just was curious why
they cannot if they truly made
[2:32:43] a mistake you
think you'd be able
[2:32:45] to ask someone
about that mistake
[2:32:47] without having to pay for it?
[2:32:48] That that's just my you know,
being naive about an audit.
[2:32:52] I've never been audited.
[2:32:53] So that was an exit for me.
[2:32:56] And then we also have the
upcoming course of my brain
[2:33:00] just went completely blank.
[2:33:01] But upcoming
neighborhood night out
[2:33:04] with the Y and tPR and the town
is going to be involved in that
[2:33:09] still.
[2:33:10] What date is that ?
[2:33:12] Friday night at Nelsen Park.
[2:33:14] Thank you.
[2:33:15] You Thank you.
[2:33:18] Councilmember Morris.
[2:33:19] Councilmember Bashford I have
a couple topics for tonight
[2:33:26] First, we're going to
talk about the letter
[2:33:28] that never reached us Mayor,
fellow council members
[2:33:31] and neighbors At
our last meeting
[2:33:33] I told you nearly
every concern that
[2:33:35] was raised in 2017 about our
way and see a partnership
[2:33:39] has come true.
[2:33:40] And I quoted it from the
record to show it tonight.
[2:33:43] I want to tell you about one
document from that record
[2:33:46] that most of this council has
never seen I want to tell you
[2:33:49] about it because the
way it was handled then
[2:33:51] is the same problem we're living
with now at 1047 on the night
[2:33:56] of March fifth, 2017 15 days
before this council selected
[2:34:01] the YMCA, a detailed
written warning
[2:34:04] arrived in a former council
member, Gary Leib Sachs inbox.
[2:34:07] It came from former
employees and members
[2:34:10] of the YMCA of Boulder
Valley, and it was not a rant.
[2:34:13] It was specific It described an
organization carrying roughly
[2:34:17] $800,000 in debt,
talked about nepotism,
[2:34:20] and described a culture
where leadership reported
[2:34:23] in their words, quote,
favorable numbers while, quote,
[2:34:27] only a select few have regular
eyes on the core fiscal reports
[2:34:31] Five minutes later,
that same anonymous
[2:34:33] sender sent it to former
council member Troy Mallon.
[2:34:37] And that's where it
appears to have stopped.
[2:34:39] Two of the seven members of the
council received that warning.
[2:34:42] That letter never appears in the
March 20th 2017 council packet.
[2:34:47] It's never mentioned in
the minutes in the files
[2:34:50] I've reviewed.
[2:34:51] There's no email.
[2:34:52] The former mayor Scott
James knob forward
[2:34:54] to staff no reply, no
discussion and no verification
[2:35:00] 15 days later, council
voted to enter a partnership
[2:35:03] with that organization
and it's possible
[2:35:06] that three of the four
members casting that vote
[2:35:09] had no idea the wording
existed It's important to note
[2:35:13] that former council
member Loebsack voted yes,
[2:35:16] while former council member
Mellen recused I want
[2:35:21] to be careful and fair here.
[2:35:22] I can't prove that
no one ever mentioned
[2:35:24] it in the hallway conversation.
[2:35:26] I can only tell you what
the record shows which
[2:35:29] is that a written
specific firsthand warning
[2:35:31] about our partner fiscal
transparency reached the council
[2:35:35] and evaporated before it
could inform the decision.
[2:35:39] And I would ask you
to sit with that.
[2:35:41] With what that letter predicted.
[2:35:43] Favorable numbers, few eyes.
[2:35:46] The total difference
between the town YMCA
[2:35:48] and his numbers is $211,546.62.
[2:35:54] The people that wrote
that letter in 2017
[2:35:56] were not making up stories
They were witnesses.
[2:36:00] And here is why that is not
just history The failure in 2017
[2:36:05] was not that.
[2:36:05] No one no knew Someone
always knows the failure was
[2:36:10] that our institution had no
way to make sure that what one
[2:36:13] member, Neil all members,
Neil and colleagues
[2:36:17] I would gently ask you
are we confident that
[2:36:20] has changed when fiscal
discrepancies surfaced today?
[2:36:24] Does every member
of this council
[2:36:26] see them at the same
time in the same form
[2:36:29] in the packet on the record?
[2:36:31] Or it is critical information
about this partnership
[2:36:34] Still travel person
to person arriving
[2:36:36] at some desks and
not others shaping
[2:36:39] some votes and not others.
[2:36:42] Tonight I have a few asks
First, a standing policy
[2:36:46] that any communication to any
council member concerning a town
[2:36:49] contract or a vendor
or a proposed contract
[2:36:51] or a vendor, whether it arrives
by email, letter or handshake
[2:36:56] is logged and distributed
to the full council
[2:36:58] and included in the
record before any vote
[2:37:01] regarding the contract
or a vendor redacting
[2:37:03] any personal information.
[2:37:05] If the sender wishes to
be anonymous Matt Naveh,
[2:37:09] could you please draft
something up for council
[2:37:11] to discuss at another
meeting Might ensure
[2:37:19] I'm following the direction.
[2:37:20] Are you at four for clarity?
[2:37:29] What you're asking for
is every communication
[2:37:34] that we have with
an outside vendor
[2:37:36] that we have a contract
with that we communicate
[2:37:41] the discussions that we have
with those vendors with council
[2:37:45] as well.
[2:37:46] I'm saying if it's possible
something that a council member
[2:37:50] received that it shared
with the rest of council,
[2:37:53] if it could have anything to
do with a vote that could be
[2:37:57] upcoming, it would be
difficult in the sense
[2:38:01] that you're asking staff to
start going through all council
[2:38:04] member emails.
[2:38:06] I mean perhaps you
will want to discuss
[2:38:08] a policy among yourselves
were if you want to forward it
[2:38:13] to staff, we can
distribute it Could there
[2:38:18] be some kind of maybe if it's
not possible to have a policy,
[2:38:23] could it be something that the
Council agrees that all of us
[2:38:26] would be, you know, willing
to forward on to everybody.
[2:38:30] So that a situation like
this doesn't happen again?
[2:38:33] Do you mind if I ask a question?
[2:38:35] Sure.
[2:38:36] So i know that we've
gotten letters that
[2:38:38] have went into our junk mail.
[2:38:41] I found in a letter from a
resident in my junk mail.
[2:38:44] How do you know that Mayor
Loebsack or Mayor Pro
[2:38:48] Tem or Troy Mullen
how do you know
[2:38:52] they even got those letters?
[2:38:54] Because it was in their inbox
So they at least in the it
[2:38:56] was in or in the
junk they at least
[2:38:59] received it in their email Yeah,
but that's what I'm saying.
[2:39:02] I've gotten we got all
of the council members
[2:39:05] got a letter from a fake
person and i did not
[2:39:09] see it until I was
asked by someone else,
[2:39:12] Did you see the email?
[2:39:14] And I said, No, I never got it.
[2:39:16] And then i went in my junk
and found it So some sometimes
[2:39:21] your junk delete stuff.
[2:39:22] If you don't go in
there fast enough.
[2:39:24] Right.
[2:39:25] Isn't it set up like
that So I'm just curious
[2:39:30] because I on the policy.
[2:39:31] I don't know how that works,
but I know that all of council
[2:39:34] at least got that community.
[2:39:35] Jason Well, that's why it was
available for all of council.
[2:39:38] People should write
council at Johnstown Coker
[2:39:41] and it goes to
every single person
[2:39:44] So it i don't know how to
keep stuff out of the junk,
[2:39:47] but I'm just saying I don't
know how you can say that.
[2:39:50] They saw it because you don't
really have proof of that.
[2:39:54] And that seems and they're
not here to defend themselves.
[2:39:56] I didn't I said that at
least two inboxes got it.
[2:39:59] I didn't say they got it.
[2:40:00] And they that's what I meant.
[2:40:01] I didn't say that.
[2:40:01] That's what I'm asking.
[2:40:02] What if they never saw it?
[2:40:04] I mean, it's alluding
to that, again,
[2:40:05] that something was
not that was shady
[2:40:07] when we don't know
that, again, that's
[2:40:10] okay That's all I'm saying.
[2:40:11] That's all my question was,
if I could add a small point
[2:40:14] to theirs, as you
all very well Now,
[2:40:16] I believe there's a difference
between a quasi judicial and
[2:40:19] legislative actions and
citizens are certainly
[2:40:22] allowed to reach out
when it comes to more
[2:40:25] of a legislative type of
decision, which this probably
[2:40:28] was at that point So I'm not
sure whether that here nor there
[2:40:34] as to your request, I
think if council wants
[2:40:36] to make a decision to share all
their emails they certainly can.
[2:40:40] If you decide to do that
rather than start replying
[2:40:44] all and the potential
to create a meeting,
[2:40:48] you could for them if you
got an individual email,
[2:40:51] you could forward it to Matt or
Megan However, the protocol gets
[2:40:56] established and asked that
that be added to a packet.
[2:40:58] If you get an
individual email and you
[2:41:00] wanted that into a packet,
that could be done.
[2:41:02] I would like to formally request
my email be deleted completely.
[2:41:05] I don't want to go
through all those emails.
[2:41:07] I'm just saying I'd
rather not get any,
[2:41:12] but i put my number out there
multiple times on the breeze.
[2:41:16] Add on one ad that
was on there, I
[2:41:19] would rather someone call and
talk to me about any issues.
[2:41:23] We got so many emails
regarding this topic.
[2:41:25] It is a lot.
[2:41:26] So not that we don't read them,
but to try to reply to everybody
[2:41:30] and then if things
go in the junk
[2:41:32] and we don't get
back to Bobby Sue,
[2:41:34] then Bobby sue thinks
we ignored her.
[2:41:36] When we did not.
[2:41:36] It was in junk and it
possibly got deleted.
[2:41:39] That's all I'm saying So
I don't know how you're
[2:41:41] thinking this might work, but.
[2:41:42] OK, that's all.
[2:41:43] I'll bring something up at a
different time than about it.
[2:41:46] I just.
[2:41:46] Let's find out.
[2:41:47] But second, I would like to ask
now that the 2017 letter has
[2:41:52] surfaced that it
be formally entered
[2:41:53] into the record of this
council Nine years late.
[2:41:56] So that's finally where it
should have been transferred
[2:41:58] Parent The people who
wrote the letter signed it
[2:42:01] as former employees
and members of the why,
[2:42:04] they had nothing to gain.
[2:42:05] They wrote to a small
town that they had never
[2:42:07] lived in because they
believed we deserved to decide
[2:42:10] with our eyes open to
people possible We opened
[2:42:13] and read that email tonight.
[2:42:15] We can finally
finished delivering it.
[2:42:17] And I also want to make a pledge
tonight that letter surfaced
[2:42:20] online a few weeks ago.
[2:42:21] And while some dismissed it
as a disgruntled employee
[2:42:25] I saw it as someone who
cared enough to speak up.
[2:42:27] They chose to stay anonymous.
[2:42:29] And I understand why coming
forward is never easy
[2:42:32] no matter where you work
Strong organizations
[2:42:35] welcome honest feedback.
[2:42:37] That's true of the best
towns, the best companies
[2:42:40] and the best partnerships.
[2:42:42] So tonight, I want
anyone connected
[2:42:43] to the town of Johnstown
through any of its contractors
[2:42:46] or vendors to know this.
[2:42:47] If you ever have information
you believe should be heard,
[2:42:51] I'm here to listen.
[2:42:52] I will help protect
your identity.
[2:42:53] If that is your concern.
[2:42:55] Speaking up in good faith should
never come at a personal cost
[2:42:59] And hey, anyone out there who
has already faced retaliation
[2:43:02] for speaking up, I'm
sorry that happen
[2:43:05] And I know where
you're coming from.
[2:43:07] Stay strong and keep up the good
fight because you will prevail.
[2:43:11] And I'm glad I listened
when concerns were
[2:43:13] raised about the rec
center, because listening
[2:43:15] is how we get better.
[2:43:16] That is my commitment to
anyone out there weighing
[2:43:19] whether to come forward.
[2:43:20] My door is open I
will listen and I
[2:43:23] will help in any way I can.
[2:43:25] I'm not making a motion
tonight I will be submitting it
[2:43:28] in writing and I am asking that
it be placed on the August 3rd
[2:43:31] agenda under new business A
motion to amend our june 22nd
[2:43:35] direction by striking
the clause asking
[2:43:38] the town to work
to amend the damage
[2:43:40] and reputation of the YMCA.
[2:43:43] And let me be clear
about what my ask is.
[2:43:46] The partnership continues the
direction to staff to negotiate
[2:43:50] continues.
[2:43:51] The 90 day cap is untouched
and it does not leave a silent
[2:43:55] about how people are treated
because the amendment replaces
[2:43:59] that clause with a directive
that public communication
[2:44:03] regarding our operating
partner be factually
[2:44:06] accurate and consistent with
our audited financial reporting
[2:44:10] and that town staff
and YMCA employees be
[2:44:13] treated with respect
and professionalism
[2:44:16] in every public forum.
[2:44:18] What changes is one thing this
council would stop officially
[2:44:22] certifying without a hearing
and without a finding
[2:44:25] that the concerns raised
about this partner
[2:44:27] were false because as
this 2017 letter shows,
[2:44:32] concerns about the organization
existed long before anyone
[2:44:35] in Johnstown ever raised them.
[2:44:37] And some of what
we were told was
[2:44:39] false has since been confirmed
by our own audit You will
[2:44:42] each have the full
text in their packet
[2:44:45] after I send it to RB
for review with time
[2:44:47] to read it before
you're asked to vote.
[2:44:49] And that is the standard that
i'm asking the Council to adopt
[2:44:54] And then I want to
explain tonight.
[2:44:59] Why I voted no on the moratorium
Everyone who has concerns
[2:45:03] tonight, they are
valid concerns.
[2:45:06] However each one of those could
be addressed in smart policy.
[2:45:10] Each one is measurable limits
can be set with strict policies
[2:45:13] for failing to adhere
to those policies.
[2:45:17] Policy can be written
that protects the town.
[2:45:19] The resident and the
way of life that we all
[2:45:21] enjoy Oh, my mind is
not made up on what
[2:45:24] needs to exist in the policy.
[2:45:27] My mind is made
only made up that we
[2:45:29] need a policy over what we
have now and that is nothing.
[2:45:33] I ran on conservative beliefs.
[2:45:35] I believe in small government I
believe that government should
[2:45:38] set guardrails to make sure
everyone's playing fairly
[2:45:41] and that the town and
resident are protected.
[2:45:43] But I am not a fan of
overreaching regulations
[2:45:47] and saying, no, even pausing is
government overreach no matter
[2:45:51] what the topic is I believe
the council can protect
[2:45:55] the town by creating good
policy and some policies
[2:45:59] need to be continuously
updated Second,
[2:46:03] it's council's job to have open
eyes, open ears and open hearts.
[2:46:07] Anyone who runs
for council should
[2:46:08] love where they live
and want what's best
[2:46:10] for our town over themselves.
[2:46:13] They should be impartial.
[2:46:14] Look at the facts and
make fair judgments
[2:46:17] and absolutely explain why they
voted the way they did Council
[2:46:21] only works if there is trust
transparency and accountable
[2:46:25] city No one person can
push something through It
[2:46:30] takes a majority vote and
that's why there's seven of us.
[2:46:33] Good members of council are
lifelong learners They do
[2:46:36] their homework by researching
and investigating all aspects
[2:46:40] of a particular topic as best
as they can Each council member
[2:46:45] represents all 22,000 residents,
not just the residents that we
[2:46:49] want to represent I
can't speak for everyone,
[2:46:52] but it's not always an
easy job to do for myself.
[2:46:56] I read every email.
[2:46:58] I'm active on social media
I give full attention
[2:47:00] to every public comment.
[2:47:02] So I'm listening
I'm researching.
[2:47:04] And I spend a ton of time
on this because I care.
[2:47:08] Some of us up here have kids
and even grandkids and we all
[2:47:11] want to leave something
great to them.
[2:47:13] The goal is to make
Johnstown the place they
[2:47:14] want to live when they grow up.
[2:47:16] The ultimate goal is to make
anyone who wants to live here
[2:47:20] be able to live here
and truly believe
[2:47:22] that Johnstown is the community
that cares nothing further.
[2:47:27] Thank you, Mayor Pro Tem.
[2:47:28] You know report tonight.
[2:47:29] Thank you Thank you.
[2:47:31] Mayor Pro tem.
[2:47:32] Yeah, I before I
jump into my speech,
[2:47:35] Commissioner always be
can we get with Mr. York
[2:47:37] and see how we
can fix that radar
[2:47:40] problem that he brought up?
[2:47:41] And also, if we can get a, you
know, a big scare crowed Mr.
[2:47:46] York, because he's a big guy.
[2:47:46] I've never seen
in person before.
[2:47:48] And maybe to scare
those weeds away,
[2:47:50] I think that would be great
But thank you for the comments
[2:47:53] and bringing that to us tonight
I really appreciate that.
[2:47:56] All right.
[2:47:56] With that, before
we adjourn, I like
[2:47:58] to leave everyone with
one final thought tonight
[2:48:01] We heard different perspective.
[2:48:03] And that's the very nature of
a representative government
[2:48:05] government.
[2:48:06] Our responsibility
as elected officials
[2:48:08] is not to chase every
opinion or every moment,
[2:48:11] but to listen respectfully,
deliberate, thoughtfully make
[2:48:15] decisions.
[2:48:15] We believe will best serve
the long term interests of
[2:48:17] the entire johnstown community.
[2:48:19] Leadership is tested most
when opinions differ,
[2:48:23] and those moments our
duty is to remain steady,
[2:48:25] to uphold public
trust, and to continue
[2:48:27] moving the community
forward with integrity
[2:48:29] humility and purpose.
[2:48:32] Tomorrow, the work continues
Our police officers will
[2:48:34] answer the calls for service.
[2:48:36] Our firefighters
and first responders
[2:48:38] will stand ready Our public
works crew will maintain
[2:48:41] our streets and infrastructure.
[2:48:43] Our staff will continue
serving our residents
[2:48:45] with professionalism
and dedication
[2:48:46] to their quiet,
consistent work is what
[2:48:49] keeps this community strong.
[2:48:50] And I want to thank
every town employee
[2:48:52] for their unwavering
commitment an unwavering
[2:48:55] commitment to public service.
[2:48:57] Before we leave tonight, I
ask that we pause and remember
[2:49:00] the 17 American
service members who
[2:49:01] have given their lives for
the ongoing conflict in Iran.
[2:49:05] As a retired Air
Force member, I know
[2:49:06] that behind every name is a
family forever changed Brothers
[2:49:10] and sisters in arms
carry immeasurable loss
[2:49:14] and a nation forever
indebted to their sacrifice
[2:49:17] Their courage reminds us
of the freedoms we enjoy,
[2:49:19] even the freedom to gather in
this chamber, to debate openly
[2:49:22] and to disagree respectfully
have always come at a price.
[2:49:27] Let us honor the memory
not only with our words,
[2:49:29] but with how we
serve one another.
[2:49:31] May we lead with humility?
[2:49:33] Treat one another with dignity
and never lose sight on the fact
[2:49:36] we are blessed to call
this country our home.
[2:49:38] And this community, our own.
[2:49:40] Thank you to my
fellow council members
[2:49:42] for your service to our
staff, for your dedication
[2:49:45] and to every resident who
took the time to participate
[2:49:48] this evening May God bless the
families of those who have made
[2:49:51] the ultimate sacrifice Watch
over the men and women serving
[2:49:54] around the world
tonight and continue
[2:49:56] to bless the town of Johnstown,
the great state of Colorado,
[2:49:59] and the United
states of America.
[2:50:01] Thank you, everyone
Have a safe evening.
[2:50:04] That's it for me tonight on this
of closing comments With that,
[2:50:08] we'll go ahead and move into
executive session an executive
[2:50:13] session to discuss the
purchase of acquisition,
[2:50:15] lease transfer or sale of
any real person or personnel
[2:50:20] or other property
interest percent
[2:50:21] this year as 20 4-6-424 alpha.
[2:50:25] With that I'll go and I
suppose you the counsel moved.
[2:50:31] I'll second it motion by Council
member Burke seconded by myself.
[2:50:36] What's go and put
it to voice vote.
[2:50:38] All in favor say aye.
[2:50:39] Aye Aye all oppose
Ayes have it We're
[2:50:41] in executive session number I'm
the way of relating All right.
[3:12:24] We're back in session
No other topics were
[3:12:27] discussed or voted on tonight.
[3:12:28] We're adjourned And
no decisions were made