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All right, let's uh get this show
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Um, first of all, it's called order and
then roll call, please.

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» Patrick Kizac
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» Chelsea Young
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» Tony Love
absent. Doug Thomas

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» here.
>> Michelle Beesky

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All right. And if everybody stand for
the pledge of allegiance

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to the flag of the United States of
America and to the republic for which it

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stands, one nation under God,
indivisible, with liberty and justice

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for all.

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All right.
So, thanks for everybody for showing up

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here this evening. Um,
there any comments that's not on the

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agenda this evening that somebody wants
to speak to?

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All right, close that out.
All right, let's move to the approval of

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the minutes from last meeting on August
3rd, 2026.

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Everybody has a copy of that, I would
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Please look it over if you have any
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» I'll make a motion to approve the
minutes from last meeting. Second.

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» All in favor?

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All right.

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All right. First piece of business
tonight

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is one we're all familiar with,
right, Miguel?

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» Yes.

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» All right. this uh case number 26-001

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uh concerning 520 Milton Street.
Continue public hearing, consider

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testimony, and make a recommendation to
the city council on a request to amend

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the zoning ordinance and zoning map of
the city of Josephine, each being part

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of a code of ordinance
from LR or from local retail to plan

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development with a base zoning of local
retail on two parcels of land totaling

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approximately 1.4 42 acres located 520
Milton Street.

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» Okay. Um if you will call the time to
open the public hearing

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is
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and um we can either have people speak
if anybody wants to speak for against

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the item beforehand.

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Anybody have any questions, comments?

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Okay. So, um I'll I'll introduce the
item um for those who are watching. Um

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this is a planned development for a uh
singlestory strip mall, 14,880

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ft² building at 520 Milton Street. Um we
have been working with the applicant on

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this project for over a year now. That
process has included a a straight

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reszoning to to local retail and now
this plan development application that's

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been uh through several design
iterations for the last uh 5 months now

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um including just tableabling due to
concerns and and the time it takes to

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address these concerns. Um if you will
go through the uh

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if we can go to the landscaping exhibit
I think that shows the the best picture.

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Um
that will be exhibit D. So uh exhibit D

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shows probably the most complete
picture. As you can see, the the layout

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of the site remains practically
unchanged from last time with the

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exception of the new emergency access
fire lane um onto FM6.

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After extensive lobbing efforts by the
applicant, Texot has agreed in principle

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and I think they have a permit already
approved to construct this emergency

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entry. This entry will be gated only to
be used by first responders in the case

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of an emergency. It will not allow for
general circulation. So, the general

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population will use the Milton Street as
an driveway as their only way to get in

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and out. Um
after this um change in their design,

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our our fire chief is um comfortable
with and and um reviewed the new layout

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and and is fine, you know, and
recommends approval.

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Um we um made some changes to the
exhibit B which is the plan development

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standards to address some items that had
not been previously addressed

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namely the limit on hours of operation
if there's any outdoor

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uh dining or any outdoor uh business
activity. and also um adding some uh

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noise noise um prohibitions, right? So,
no outdoor speakers after, you know, a

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certain time. And this is to protect the
areas around.

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Um I think that's really it. I mean,
I've explained this project probably

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like five or six times to this
commission. So, um if you have any

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questions on the layout, the applicant
is here, the property owner, developer,

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and they also have a their consulting uh
design team here to answer questions you

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may have from for them.

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» Long.
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» I'm softspoken.
So, what did you guys think about the

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letter that was included as an exhibit
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» Some of the concerns
maybe we can discuss

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» about the traffic. Yeah, I think the
traffic and I mean it's clear that that

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is going to be the only or the main way
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Milton Street. The other one's just for
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» Yep.
>> Ingress egress.

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» So Mike I the entryway shouldn't bother
those homes too much cuz

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» they're behind the building off if
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the to the left.
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» so it's not this lot too. What what is
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is to to the west. Um, so to the left of
the image you're looking at is a city

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water tower.
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I believe the applicant has been in
constant contact with that property

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owner regarding this project. Um, so I
know they've been out there surveying.

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They've been looking at the fencing
situation, how that's going to be

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addressed. I do want to clarify that one
of the requests from this applicant is

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to not have a fence along the back side
of the property facing the railroad

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tracks. Now, I concurred with that
request because we want to prevent that

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canyon feeling and it's it's a public
safety issue as well. If there is a

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trail there, which there is a plan to
have a regional rail uh trail going

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through that back rideway, we want to
provide ways for people to get in and

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out. Um I I worked in in Denton County
along the Katy the the Denton Katy Trail

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and we've had issues um in the Corinth
area and Lake Dallas, particularly in

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the Lake Dallas area with those
situations where you have that canyon

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effect, no way in or out. So that is the
reason why I recommend approval of that

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departure for not having a fence. Now
you're you're you as a commission can

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ask for that. I wouldn't recommend it.
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about traffic. So yes, the traffic in
and out will be concentrated along

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Milton. This is twofold. Number one is
that when FM6 is widened, they will have

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medians now. So they won't the it'll be
the left turns will be reduced all over

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that throughout the length of FM6. So
you know even if they have that open to

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the public the emergency access is just
not going to work. Uh secondly is we

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want to reduce the number of
intersections. Anytime you create a

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four-way intersection be it a driveway
or a regular intersection you have 32

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points of conflict potential points for
a collision. So you want to reduce that

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and that was the purpose of other
departures of reducing driveways as a

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whole. So we have taken all of those
things into consideration throughout

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this process. Um and and the resident
has raised concerns. We've addressed

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lighting. This was even before the
resident brought in these concerns. We

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looked at lighting. Uh we've looked at
you know the layout. uh trying to shift

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the building away from the homes as as
far as possible because their previous

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iteration actually had this building
backed up right to the house on Milton.

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So the the applicants design team has
worked to try to minimize the conflicts

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in in collaboration with us.
>> Thank you. Mhm.

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» Uh speaking of uh widening six, whether
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» So the
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» Not to my knowledge, the my
understanding and the applicant can

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address that question, but my
understanding is that this project has

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been designed
um with uh consideration of potential

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right-of-way acquisition at a later
point. The way text works is they'll

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acquire all of the rightway for an
ultimate buildout for up to six lanes,

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but they don't build the six lanes right
away. They'll build four

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um with a wide median. And then to build
the the third lane on each direction,

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they cut into the median. So that's been
their mo lately. So

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» they when they build four, they go very
wide so that you know exactly where the

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ultimate buildout is going to be. And I
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the uh property was a rectangle before
and uh Textook

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over that corner uh has already um uh
annexed or dedicated that as a right

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away. It looks like on the on the map
here. I I I have a comment about the

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letter.
I don't know the history about the

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property that we're reviewing here, but
uh the base zoning uh was already local

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retail and I think a lot of the concerns
um this is not the appropriate time to

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address them. They they they should have
been addressed and um potentially uh

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you know heard out when this was changed
to a retail lot. And it does look like a

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lot of things have been done to
accommodate uh the the adjacent

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residential. A lot of times we would be
putting a buffer in or something like

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that. And again, the building is offset
about as far as it looks like they can

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get it from that local from that
adjacent residential property.

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» I agree with that. I think they have we
have done a lot to try to accommodate

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and I I do think normally you would have
a buffer and I did expect to see that

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but after hearing your explanation I
think it is a lot safer to not have a

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trail enclosed for the width
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widening that buffer for landscaping so
there's going to be a a row of shrubs

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that will grow to create a visual
barrier and you know it's not just

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having a fence because there there will
be an opening

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so that eventually people can walk off
the trail into whatever businesses come

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here. So there there is an there is an
opportunity here where they will build a

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sidewalk connection at the property line
so that if there's a trail you can just

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walk off that trail into whatever
businesses go go here and um and and our

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commissioner Chapel is correct. This was
zoned for a commercial purpose already

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back in our local retail purpose back in
January. Um I will um clarify just for

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context that this resident moved in I
believe in April or May. So um the the

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property owner moved in after that
change had happened. But as it is now as

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it was then letters went out to all
property owners. Nobody spoke for or

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against it at that time.

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» Yeah.
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six, which is nearly a thorough affair
already. And and to have a um um

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expectation of a low amount of traffic
on your property, I think that kind of

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goes above and beyond what someone
reasonably might expect who would have

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purchased that property on a re next to
a retail lot right there.

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Miguel, what did you say about the patio
situation there?

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» So, if there were to be any patios on
this property

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there, the hours of operation would be
limited and then the sound would be, let

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me find the exact wording of this.
>> 10 p.m. to 7:00 a.m. This is you can't

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there's no no outdoor activity.
>> Correct.

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» 10 p.m. to 7:00 a.m.
>> Correct.

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» So, what's uh from the back of the
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How far is that?
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100 ft. So it's 100 some give or take.
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this property owner can't go into the
railroad property. So what's the

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distance from the back of this building
that's want to be built to railroad

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property?
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property about 10 ft. So,

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» yeah, there's no
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» I don't think a patio could fit in
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» Well, the patios could be for on the
corners and the applicant design team

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could address that possibility. Um, I I
rather let them answer. Sunny, would you

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mind?
>> There's a there's a 100 ft buffer

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between this property and the neighbor
that sent the letter.

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» Yes.
>> Is that correct?

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» 100 foot plus.
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And you know I
that right ofway could become an active

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rail line at some point in the future.
We've been told to design as if there

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will be one there because the the rail
district that owns it is actively

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looking to develop redevelop that again
as an active freight rail line.

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So that's something that I also have to
consider when designing these or helping

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developers go through the process.

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» My name is I'm the manager here on this
resale

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street to address the uh patio
the sides of the building. Um that's

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just the sidewalk
from the building separating

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» separating the uh the parking spaces
along with the uh the building so we

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have a good you know safety distance for
like residents to walk the sidewalk and

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whatnot. So the sides are not a patio.
The patio spaces if there were to be and

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that's going to be totally up to the
future uses of the you know like let's

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say we have a retail restaurant user
right? If you guys can see that angled

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curve right besides each side of the
building um along the uh the parking

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spaces on the corners, that can be
potentially um a gated patio. And that's

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again if a future tenant were to come in
and want that corner space and want to

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um take advantage of that space there to
build out a patio. I mean, I think

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that's very great for the uh the
community itself. you know, you get like

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a fine dining in restaurant experience
indoor and out. And um I know that we

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did address some of the uh the comments
for the residents as far as the noise

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and um our team, the development team
and everyone like that along with sides

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things are okay with operating and you
know we'll let the future users know

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that um you cannot use or utilize the
outdoor patio at past 1000 p.m. Um, as

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far as speakers outdoors, typically
that's like more in the high-end

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restaurant users, you know, you know, if
you guys ever gone out to like Legacy

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West or Grandcape and all that stuff,
like you obviously have like the TVs,

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the bars, the loudspeakers outdoors. Um,
but again, that's more of the high-end

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users for restaurant space. But if there
were to be someone that wants to come in

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and at least put some speakers outdoors
in that patio's um area in that corner

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of the building, um, we would also let
them know that, hey, there is a um, PD

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in place that past 1000 p.m. that in
favor of the residents and the community

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that, you know, we're not going to be
loud here and whatnot. So, we would be

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totally okay with not having um future
tenant users operate speakers and the

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patio space past 10 p.m.

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And again, we don't know who's going to
be there as of now. I mean, it may be a

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cat a coffee shop that wants to use that
patio space. Typically, coffee shops are

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open till what? 7 8:00 p.m. And
typically where I always see them, open

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till. But again, it just goes down to
who's going to be utilizing that space.

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And even if they do take that space,
it's totally up to the ten if they want

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to build out a patio or not.

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Any other comments?
My comment might be as far as the noise

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control is um I imagine that the the
property manager here will have that

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relevant information in the lease
agreements with the tenants, but I don't

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know that the teeth that the what type
of teeth the city has to enforce things

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like that and you know what what is
considered uh you know what might be

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considered a noise violation and that
that might be something that the

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resident you know might um have some
solace in that you you know, how how

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will we do we have a plan to defend an
ordinance like this telling them that

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they have to be quiet at night?
>> So, to clarify, we we wrote actually a

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full prohibition on outdoor sound like
so so amplified sound. So, we we did a

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full prohibition on speakers outdoors at
all times.

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You can make the change to that if you
want to grant the applicant flexibility.

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You can do that. The way I wrote this is
to be amplified sound shall be

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prohibited at all times. Now to address
a question about hours of let's for

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example say hours of operation. This
becomes part of your zoning ordinance.

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So our zoning ordinance contains pro
provisions on violations. There's fines.

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There's you know you know
>> someone could call the PD and they could

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respond and tell them to shut it down.
>> The police department would be the the

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enforcement arm for for this ordinance.
>> Okay.

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And just to clarify with staff as well,
this is for the outdoor patio to be used

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until 1000 p.m. Again, when it comes to
a restaurant user, again, a lot of

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restaurants do shut down by 10:00 p.m.
Weekends, they might be open till 11:00,

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but again, that's that's the, you know,
the users hours of operation if they

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want to go until 10:00 p.m., 11:00 p.m.
I don't see anyone being open till

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midnight, 1 or 2 a.m. But again, again,
that outdoor reasoning for the noise and

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stuff like that for everyone and all the
residents around in that area, we're

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totally on board with the city staff to
uh limit those hours for the tenants and

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they will be in the leases as well when
we draft leases with future tenants.

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» Okay.

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that to his point and kind of to the
larger broader discussion here, I don't

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see any language here that might
prohibit a nightclub coming in there and

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staying open till 2:00 in the morning
indoors.

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the
uses um for this ordinance refer to the

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» coffee shop staying open till
>> they they um

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» excuse me
>> for that type of use we refer back to

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our use chart in the base ordinance. So
it's it's

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» the local retail zoning ordinance.
>> Yeah. Chapter 22 or of the or section 22

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of our zoning ordinance has a use chart
and it lists all the uses that that can

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occur. Nightclubs
like which is basically a bar are not an

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allowed use in the city right now
period. They're not defined as a use. So

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they're not allowed as a use. Um we
added the a clarified definition of a

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restaurant that can serve alcohol or
not. they have the option into this

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ordinance specifically for this building
only. But that will be addressed at a

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later time for the rest of the city. But
a nightclub is not an authorized use for

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this um ordinance.
>> I'm not against nightclubs. I made it

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through college working at nightclubs at
night. So,

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» but but you know,
>> maybe not right there on Milton Street,

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» but the
>> the end goal on as far as our end as

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well to address that comment is to make
this retail shopping center as most

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friendly possible along with being a
family oriented place. Um, again,

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there's a lot of demand for retail here
and that's not just food. That can be

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doughnut shops, cafe shops, dentistries,
massage therapists, like any there's

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hundreds of, you know, retail uses out
there that we can use here in the city

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of Josephine. So, our goal is to address
that. And I assure you, we don't want

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the loud noise and that type of crowd
coming here late at night. So, we're

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going to be very um picky ourselves with
what type of uh tenant mix we have here

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for the 14,000 ft.

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Do we have to close?
>> Yes. If if if uh well, we allowed this

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to in case the somebody showed up that
wanted to speak. Um the chairman needs

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to ask. Perfect.
>> Um,

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» if the commission is done with questions
for staff or the applicant, um, if the

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chairman will ask if there's anybody
from the public that wants to speak for

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or against this item, you have to
formally say that. And then if not, you

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can close the public hearing and note
the time, please.

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» Any other comments?

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» Thank you.

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All right, we'll uh close the public
hearing

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and

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» Jesus Christ.
>> 6:24

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and uh take a vote on this.
All in favor?

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» Yeah.
>> Make a motion, somebody please.

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» Yeah, a motion approved.

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We can't hear you.
>> And yeah,

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» I make a motion to approve the zoning uh
26-001502

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Milton Street.

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» I second.
>> All in favor?

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» All right, motion passes.

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tight.
>> All right.

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» All right.

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» Yeah.

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» All right. Uh, next item,

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case numbersw SW-26-002.

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City counts on a request for a
subdivision waiver on section 3.9.B

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wastewater service requirements and
section 1.114.

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MM minor plat utility service
requirements of the subdivision

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ordinance in conjunction with a proposed
minor plat for a 347 acre prop property

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generally located at the southwest
corner of FM6

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and county road 637.

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» All right, Mr. Chairman, members of the
commission, for the record, Miguel Clan,

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city planner, uh if you will open the
public hearing and call the time and

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then I'll introduce the item.
Open the public hearing

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626.

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» All right. Um

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this is a um sub it's an un an orthodox
item. Uh we received a minor plat

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application for this very small and very
very oddly shaped lot at the southwest

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corner of Cany Road 637 and FM6 which is
before the curve on the very

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southwestern side of the city. This
property is actually determined to be in

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the ETJ.
Uh

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during the review process we have to
verify the availability of utilities. Uh

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there are no utilities near this site
because it's very small. The county

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would not approve a a septic facility.
Uh the intended purpose of this lot is

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to establish a uh a potentially a
communications tower like a cell tower.

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Um
and they're here because that use

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wouldn't really require you know sewer
service. So they are asking for a waiver

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to
uh be allowed to not be required to

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connect to the city sewer system. Um if
at any time they want to redevelop the

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site, they'll have to either buy more
land or connect to city water

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or and sewer later for a purpose that
would require that. Given that the

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intended purpose is not is not something
that requires services, we recommend

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approval.
if you have any questions. Um,

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» so to cl to clarify 347 acres is not
even a half an acre, right?

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» Correct.
>> And they're wanting to put a septic

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system on it.
>> They cannot

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» they can't
>> they cannot. So the county I believe

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their minimum property size is 1 acre.
So basically what's happening here is

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county won't let them cannot let them do
septic because it's small. Our

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regulations require they either be
connected to the city sewer system or

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have septic.
They cannot meet any of those two

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requirements. So they're being suscing

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the sewers.
>> Yeah. So, so requiring a sewer service

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could potentially render this lot
undevelopable.

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That's the purpose of the waiver.

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» As long as there's restrictions on you
not being able to build an occupiable

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structure on it. So
>> that would

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» Colin County Colin County would issue
the building permit for this property

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and they're the ones who would make all
those requirements. So you cannot

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condition this to oh you can't build any
like you're allowing them to plat this

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property
under this configuration without the

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need to have a sewer connection. If at
any point they want to build something

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on here that does require sewer service,
Colin County will be the one making the

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requirement.

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» I make a motion to approve.

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» Yeah. So the ETJ this is in the ETJ. So
there's no land use,

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» you know, regulations from the city that
apply. So, anything could be built here.

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» And the reason I bring that up is
because I remember a few years ago there

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was a request somebody who's going to
build 68 homes on that corner which now

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they're building apartments.
>> Mhm.

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» And we there was a between us and Nevada
we Nevada took the water section of

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that. So I don't know why they were
coming to us when Nevada

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3 or 4 years ago we gave them the
>> So the place where the apartments are

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going in they used to be in our ETJ as
well but they withdrew from the ETJ

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» is is that the part you're talking about
>> but that land from the apartments to the

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to the six. So the reason they are
coming to us is because the

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» a very small part of this property falls
within our sewer service area,

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» the the CCN. So they're coming to us.
They're way too far. We cannot serve

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them. The reason they're here is because
to be able to approve this plot and

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record it, there has to be a certific
certification

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that sewer is available to the site. We
can't do that. No, I understand that

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really where it is.
>> Um, so this little lot here, but

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everything to the
>> south

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» south of that is Nevada.
>> Part of it.

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» Part of it there there there's always
changes in their CCN boundaries

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» and this happened before my time. You
may

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» not not all areas are are in a CCN. Some
some areas there's not a CCN assigned to

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areas,
>> right? So they're free to

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» Well, like I said, I just remember this
>> that plot of land,

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» not just that little part, but all of it
from six to the apartments was proposed

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to put houses there. And we said Nevada
could handle the water and they wanted

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to. So

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» that's
all right. I guess

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» is Nevada able to handle the water for
this lot? It's just impossible on this

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tiny space is what I'm hearing.
>> Yeah, I mean the the stated purpose now

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you're not approving this, right? But
the stated purpose from the developer is

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to potentially build a cell phone tower
here.

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» And they don't need sewer for that.
>> They really don't need sewer. I mean,

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that's that's the whole purpose behind
this.

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» The applicant is online just he can't
speak, but he can't hear you either.

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» I move to recommend approval of
>> Can I do it yet? No.

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» No.
hearing if you will close the public

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hearing and note the time.
>> So, a few more questions for me.

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» Be a pain. So, you said Colin County
eventually has has to approve this,

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right?
>> The building permit would go through

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Colin County.
>> Okay. And I would assume if they're

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going to do a cell tower, they'd have
FCC approval also, wouldn't they?

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» Correct.
But way out of our jurisdictions.

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» Yeah.
>> Yeah. All right. So, we're Yeah, we're

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not talking anytime soon.
>> All right. Uh, any other comments?

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» I I think the general look at this is
that the concern for the sewage is the

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life safety of the occupants to make
sure that they've got sanitary

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facilities and conditions and as long as
you know Colin County is not going to

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give them a occupiable building permit
until those conditions are met. So I

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don't see this uh you know impacting
anyone's well-being and I think it's it

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it seems on the level of a request.
>> Yeah. I guess my basic thing is that few

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years ago we Nevada was going to handle
all the water for that area and now it

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looks like they're not. So
>> maybe just bits and pieces

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» that is confusing.

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» Okay. Uh, close public discussion at
6:34.

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» Move it.
>> I move to recommend approval of case

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number SW260002
as presented.

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» Second.
>> All in favor?

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» Right hand.
>> Chelsea the second she

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trying to make you
trying to make you spell my name.

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» Sorry.
>> Just be loud.

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» Okay.
>> It seems really loud from back here.

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It's like it's pointed right at my head.

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» Yeah.
>> You're voted either way.

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» Oh, nobody said disagree. We
>> need to say against

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it. That's it.
>> I wasn't even watching. Anybody

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disagree?
>> Sorry, Doug.

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» Okay.

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» So, uh, one more question on that. So,
if even though it's closed, just can I

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still do that?
>> Uh, depends on the question. So, isn't

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that the uh bypass going to go right
down to that corner there?

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00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:55,520
» Not based on preliminary u rightway
discussions. No,

430
00:36:52,560 --> 00:36:59,599
» it'll be the the alignment is east of
there.

431
00:36:57,680 --> 00:37:01,599
» So, closer to Nevada.
>> No, closer to us.

432
00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:04,480
» Oh, really?
>> Yeah.

433
00:37:02,079 --> 00:37:08,960
» How much closer?
Let's say I I I don't have the actual

434
00:37:08,079 --> 00:37:11,760
map with me, but
>> Yeah, that's right.

435
00:37:09,680 --> 00:37:14,160
» I can provide that info.
>> Yeah, the outer loop. I can provide the

436
00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:16,640
info offline.
>> You know where the high lines are?

437
00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:20,480
» Yeah,
>> that's where it's going.

438
00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:22,640
» Okay.
>> That makes sense.

439
00:37:21,520 --> 00:37:26,800
» They're going to follow the
>> Yeah, they got right away probably there

440
00:37:24,480 --> 00:37:26,800
already.

441
00:37:33,680 --> 00:37:42,680
All right. Uh, next item,
case number CA26-003

442
00:37:45,040 --> 00:37:50,800
and hold public hearing to consider
testimony and make recommendations to

443
00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:56,320
city council on an amendment to the code
of ordinance chapter 10A, article 2,

444
00:37:53,359 --> 00:37:59,680
section 2.48. or H engineering plans
will allow the city engineer to accept

445
00:37:57,839 --> 00:38:05,599
preliminary engineering plans in lie of
detailed final final engineering plans

446
00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:09,599
with submittal a preliminary plat at an
applicant's request. If preliminary

447
00:38:07,440 --> 00:38:14,720
engineering plans are submitted with
preliminary plat, the city council shall

448
00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:19,200
condition the approval of a preliminary
plat on the submittal and approval of

449
00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:24,040
detailed final engineering plans in
accordance with this ordinance.

450
00:38:26,720 --> 00:38:37,599
That's kind of how I I read it.
>> I uh open discussion at 6:37.

451
00:38:35,040 --> 00:38:42,880
» Okay, Mr. Chairman, members of the
commission. I brought this item before

452
00:38:39,920 --> 00:38:48,000
you, I want to say about a year ago. I
think most of you are new so you may not

453
00:38:44,960 --> 00:38:53,040
be familiar with this subject but
um in the land development process for

454
00:38:51,040 --> 00:38:58,160
particularly residential developments
you have your preliminary plat which is

455
00:38:55,200 --> 00:39:03,040
basically a a glorified survey and a big
picture for a subdivision that lays out

456
00:39:01,280 --> 00:39:09,760
basically here's where we think our lot
lines are going to go streets drainage

457
00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:15,760
water sewer easements etc. The planning
and zoning commission and city council

458
00:39:11,760 --> 00:39:20,800
approve that. Then they move on to the
uh construction plan design process and

459
00:39:18,400 --> 00:39:26,160
they submit you know detailed uh
engineering plans. Then they move to the

460
00:39:23,599 --> 00:39:30,960
final plat which is where they certify
you know here's what we built. This is

461
00:39:28,160 --> 00:39:39,040
where it goes. Our current procedure in
Josephine is very strict in my opinion u

462
00:39:35,839 --> 00:39:44,320
compared to pretty much every other city
across the region and even across the

463
00:39:41,119 --> 00:39:50,960
state. We're one of very few
municipalities that request or require a

464
00:39:48,240 --> 00:39:53,760
full set of engineering plans. And that
means like, okay, here's a water line.

465
00:39:52,480 --> 00:39:59,359
It's going to be buried this deep. It's
going to go this long. like really

466
00:39:55,680 --> 00:40:04,640
technical information being required in
our professional opinion too early in

467
00:40:02,079 --> 00:40:09,760
the land development process.
Um we've had comments from applicants

468
00:40:07,760 --> 00:40:16,240
which developers
that have concern with being required to

469
00:40:13,920 --> 00:40:25,119
provide this level of detail on
something that may not happen. And I can

470
00:40:19,839 --> 00:40:29,920
tell you that um we lost some ETJ
uh west of High Meadows with the

471
00:40:27,599 --> 00:40:34,000
Greenwood MUD, the municipal utility
district. And one of the major

472
00:40:31,920 --> 00:40:41,599
contributing factors was that
requirement, having to do all that work

473
00:40:36,720 --> 00:40:46,880
up front and the city lost ETJ. So we we
as a community lost control over what

474
00:40:44,720 --> 00:40:51,119
could be developed there to some extent,
right? and how it would be developed

475
00:40:49,200 --> 00:40:54,960
because now they're in Nevada CTJ so
they're going with Nevada standards and

476
00:40:52,640 --> 00:41:01,200
not ours even though they're much closer
to us than Nevada. So we're running the

477
00:40:57,839 --> 00:41:06,800
risk here of additional muds potentially
or other developers moving on.

478
00:41:04,480 --> 00:41:12,160
Um and this goes for residential and
commercial. If the stated goal of the

479
00:41:09,280 --> 00:41:16,480
community is to make it easier for
commercial development to happen here,

480
00:41:14,800 --> 00:41:22,400
this is one of the steps that needs to
be taken. And again, it's condition. So

481
00:41:19,760 --> 00:41:26,000
if they submit preliminary engineering,
they still have to provide detailed

482
00:41:24,319 --> 00:41:34,160
engineering before going to
construction. So we're just letting them

483
00:41:29,520 --> 00:41:38,119
defer this and kind of punt a little bit
on the engineering plans.

484
00:41:41,440 --> 00:41:49,200
Is is there a baseline for what a
preliminary set of engineering plans is?

485
00:41:46,240 --> 00:41:52,800
And does the uh NCTCOG
do they have any take on on a submitter

486
00:41:51,359 --> 00:41:57,440
like this or what they might recommend
for this process?

487
00:41:55,440 --> 00:42:02,560
» The I don't think the COG has any
guidance on this. um they normally when

488
00:42:00,079 --> 00:42:08,800
it comes to construction standards there
is a set of standards but not a set of

489
00:42:05,599 --> 00:42:14,640
procedures right so a cog is more
focused on actual technical codes and

490
00:42:11,839 --> 00:42:20,640
standards rather than a procedural so
pretty much everybody in North Texas

491
00:42:16,400 --> 00:42:28,720
does things their own way um but our
city engineer was also in in uh

492
00:42:25,760 --> 00:42:32,640
concurrence with this request to to go
with preliminary engineering cuz he's

493
00:42:30,400 --> 00:42:38,240
the one that hears it cuz he's the one
that reviews the plans. Um, if this is

494
00:42:36,480 --> 00:42:41,920
approved,
we will work with our city engineer to

495
00:42:40,480 --> 00:42:45,440
develop that checklist.
>> Yes, I I definitely think this is the

496
00:42:43,440 --> 00:42:49,920
direction that we want to go. My concern
is that you get fingerpointing between

497
00:42:47,680 --> 00:42:53,520
Joe, a personal guy trying to get
something passed and and big developer

498
00:42:51,760 --> 00:42:56,640
Bob over here, and he says, "Well, this
is my preliminary set." And he says,

499
00:42:54,960 --> 00:43:00,240
"Well, this is my preliminary set." and
you and you end up with maybe uh you're

500
00:42:59,119 --> 00:43:03,920
asking different things of different
applicants and just to be able to

501
00:43:01,520 --> 00:43:07,440
clarify that what what those plans might
look like.

502
00:43:04,560 --> 00:43:13,200
» Well, the checklist would be applied
equally.

503
00:43:09,359 --> 00:43:18,000
» So, if if that's a concern, we will make
sure that that is addressed. uh when if

504
00:43:15,440 --> 00:43:23,920
this is approved at the same time this
is adopted we will publish a preliminary

505
00:43:20,640 --> 00:43:30,119
engineering checklist that addresses
everything so that there's a level

506
00:43:25,760 --> 00:43:30,119
playing field for all parties

507
00:43:31,040 --> 00:43:37,599
» this kind of just eliminates the first
step

508
00:43:34,400 --> 00:43:40,800
they still have to come to P&Z with the
plot

509
00:43:38,640 --> 00:43:47,200
» right the the the challenge we're having
is we have 30 days to review plots

510
00:43:45,119 --> 00:43:52,240
And in those 30 days, our city
consulting engineers are expected to

511
00:43:49,119 --> 00:43:59,520
review under the current regulations,
you know, several dozens of pages of

512
00:43:56,240 --> 00:44:05,119
detailed engineering plans which could
be subject to revisions. I mean, I've

513
00:44:02,480 --> 00:44:11,599
never had or never seen a set of
engineering plans or any plan for that

514
00:44:07,359 --> 00:44:17,680
matter be good on the first submitt.
So allowing us to look at preliminary

515
00:44:14,560 --> 00:44:22,319
engineering allows gives us the the
ability to say okay this looks good in p

516
00:44:20,000 --> 00:44:27,599
on paper in concept we recommend
approval of the prelim pre preliminary

517
00:44:24,000 --> 00:44:32,800
plot at that point then the developer is
more confident that hey this this could

518
00:44:30,160 --> 00:44:37,119
work now I can submit detailed
engineering plans subject to the city

519
00:44:35,040 --> 00:44:42,240
engineers approval
and then they can go to construction

520
00:44:40,000 --> 00:44:45,920
so you still have control over the plat
that that won't change the timing won't

521
00:44:44,160 --> 00:44:51,440
change. The only thing you're changing
here is the the engineering the detail

522
00:44:49,200 --> 00:44:54,720
of engineering. So you know
>> it's not a multiple multiple meeting

523
00:44:53,839 --> 00:44:57,720
discussion.
>> Correct.

524
00:44:59,040 --> 00:45:03,599
» Just give all
>> Yes.

525
00:45:01,920 --> 00:45:08,640
» Mhm.
>> I think it would help streamline some

526
00:45:05,440 --> 00:45:13,440
processes and that's important and I
think that is the direction that we're

527
00:45:10,319 --> 00:45:18,000
» Yeah. I I I think it helps the
applicants and future developers

528
00:45:16,079 --> 00:45:21,359
uh reduce some of that preliminary
financial burden. You know, there's

529
00:45:19,520 --> 00:45:24,480
there's a lot of money involved between
what you would call a preliminary set of

530
00:45:22,720 --> 00:45:28,400
plans and a final stamp, final
engineered set of plans. You you know,

531
00:45:26,240 --> 00:45:30,560
there's a lot of work in there that uh
you know, could save some rework as

532
00:45:29,839 --> 00:45:33,839
well.
>> And I think that's where some of the

533
00:45:31,680 --> 00:45:37,520
hesitation on the developers came in is
you know, they don't know if they want

534
00:45:35,280 --> 00:45:41,200
to invest thousands and thousands and
lots of hours into something that may

535
00:45:39,119 --> 00:45:44,319
not work out. Yeah, that's and that's
consistent with the language that was

536
00:45:42,480 --> 00:45:49,760
provided in the staff report.
>> So, and and this is just not a matter

537
00:45:48,560 --> 00:45:55,640
just of convenience. We're not
compromising safety here. We're just

538
00:45:51,760 --> 00:45:55,640
simplifying procedures.

539
00:46:00,800 --> 00:46:06,720
» So,
kind of what was stated earlier, I'd

540
00:46:04,960 --> 00:46:13,040
like to see some drummals before this
gets brewed. So, there's no

541
00:46:10,800 --> 00:46:15,040
plenty of business going on or whatever.
So,

542
00:46:14,079 --> 00:46:18,800
» well, um,
>> what's a preliminary what is preliminary

543
00:46:17,040 --> 00:46:23,040
plot? What does it entail?
>> I mean, can you do it in crayon?

544
00:46:20,800 --> 00:46:28,800
» Well, we we have a checklist for the
plot document itself and I believe we

545
00:46:25,839 --> 00:46:33,119
have a checklist for we have the
engineering standards

546
00:46:31,200 --> 00:46:38,560
already published.
We could create a checklist of and and

547
00:46:36,560 --> 00:46:42,000
this I cannot answer the question as to
what exactly would be in this checklist

548
00:46:40,240 --> 00:46:45,839
because that's a city engineer question,
>> right?

549
00:46:43,119 --> 00:46:50,880
» What what you're voting on right now is
to allow the engineer to accept

550
00:46:48,000 --> 00:46:55,760
preliminary engineering plans.
>> Like you said, cities do it differently

551
00:46:53,040 --> 00:46:58,079
all over the place. So some developers
are used to this and then they're used

552
00:46:57,040 --> 00:47:03,040
to that.
>> Well, I mean and and that happens,

553
00:47:00,079 --> 00:47:06,560
» you know, there was that, right?
>> But but Miguel, the check the checklist

554
00:47:04,880 --> 00:47:09,280
is the way that's the way these are
that's the way these are handled. Yeah,

555
00:47:07,920 --> 00:47:12,240
there's I've seen
>> lot

556
00:47:11,359 --> 00:47:15,280
checklist.
>> So we don't have preliminary plat

557
00:47:14,079 --> 00:47:18,720
requirements already.
>> We we have a preliminary plat checklist.

558
00:47:18,079 --> 00:47:22,079
» Gotcha.
>> And of detailed engineering. So it would

559
00:47:21,040 --> 00:47:25,920
just be that
>> you're creating you're creating the

560
00:47:23,839 --> 00:47:30,880
process to allow me and the city
engineer to publish a preliminary

561
00:47:28,240 --> 00:47:34,000
engineering checklist and whatever is
there is what will be required of

562
00:47:32,880 --> 00:47:38,079
everybody.
>> So will that preliminary checklist be

563
00:47:36,400 --> 00:47:41,520
the same that's on the books now or is
that going to be changed?

564
00:47:38,800 --> 00:47:45,760
» We don't have one. We're create
>> we do have preliminary

565
00:47:43,520 --> 00:47:48,720
» platformments
but we don't have preliminary

566
00:47:47,839 --> 00:47:52,240
» engineering
>> engineering plan requirements.

567
00:47:50,480 --> 00:47:55,359
» We don't allow that right now. So will
we allow it as a

568
00:47:53,200 --> 00:47:59,599
» but this would allow us to
>> create some requirements standards

569
00:47:58,400 --> 00:48:02,920
» for preliminary.
>> Yes.

570
00:47:59,920 --> 00:48:02,920
» Gotcha.

571
00:48:05,119 --> 00:48:15,440
» And it's to the satisfaction of the city
engineer. So this proposal so the

572
00:48:12,160 --> 00:48:22,400
engineer feels that you know what I'm
going to need more detail and he can

573
00:48:18,720 --> 00:48:27,760
require full engineering plans and then
if they're not good we would recommend

574
00:48:25,119 --> 00:48:32,280
denial of the plot
and the clock starts over.

575
00:48:32,480 --> 00:48:38,160
» So we're basically giving him discretion
over preliminary design basically.

576
00:48:37,280 --> 00:48:42,240
» Correct.
>> Gotcha. I don't agree with

577
00:48:41,040 --> 00:48:46,400
» Yeah, I think it should be
>> the discretionary is limited by the

578
00:48:44,400 --> 00:48:49,760
checklist approved by the council. It's
a documentation. It's a you know it's a

579
00:48:48,400 --> 00:48:52,400
documented discretion.
>> Well, yeah. What sorts of good

580
00:48:51,440 --> 00:48:54,400
checklist?
>> Yeah,

581
00:48:53,280 --> 00:49:00,200
» but we don't have that now.
>> That's what we're voting to give them.

582
00:48:57,200 --> 00:49:00,200
» No

583
00:49:00,319 --> 00:49:08,079
post. That's what
>> you're

584
00:49:04,800 --> 00:49:13,680
you're you're voting to let the engineer
accept preliminary engineering plans

585
00:49:12,720 --> 00:49:17,920
» but we don't have a standard
>> but we don't know what those look like.

586
00:49:16,000 --> 00:49:25,520
» So if we could get a standard that would
be great. What is a preliminary plat or

587
00:49:22,400 --> 00:49:29,520
requirement? Engineering requirement. If
some guy comes in, well, you're gonna

588
00:49:27,200 --> 00:49:31,440
need this. What if I give you 10 grand?
You pass it down.

589
00:49:30,559 --> 00:49:34,319
» That'd be really bad.
>> Be a checklist.

590
00:49:32,800 --> 00:49:39,599
» But yeah, if he has some sort of
standard, then that would help.

591
00:49:37,599 --> 00:49:44,559
» That would help because right now we
need full everything, full design. And

592
00:49:42,240 --> 00:49:50,559
the way we're proposing to change it, it
would just be this guy may be required

593
00:49:47,680 --> 00:49:55,440
to give us more than this guy. So if he
has a standard that we could say, okay,

594
00:49:52,400 --> 00:49:59,760
we're accepting a new standard of
preliminary drawings, then that would be

595
00:49:58,079 --> 00:50:02,720
better, right?
>> We just need to know what that standard

596
00:50:01,599 --> 00:50:07,280
is.
>> Drawings just be some

597
00:50:05,359 --> 00:50:13,359
» makes sense. So if if you're not
comfortable approving this tonight,

598
00:50:11,119 --> 00:50:19,359
you can table this
>> this continue this public hearing to the

599
00:50:16,319 --> 00:50:26,000
October meeting. The engineer and I will
work on creating a draft checklist to

600
00:50:22,319 --> 00:50:32,400
attach to this request. No, just some
>> that's an acceptable outcome

601
00:50:29,280 --> 00:50:37,760
and he could be here to explain
>> what could trigger him to require

602
00:50:34,480 --> 00:50:40,559
detailed engineering
>> under this scenario.

603
00:50:39,040 --> 00:50:43,520
» That's fine. I mean I don't I don't know
those

604
00:50:41,920 --> 00:50:47,520
» be included but there has to be some
kinds of guidelines just not

605
00:50:45,760 --> 00:50:50,000
» Yeah. Just so it's standardized.
>> Yeah, that's good. That's good. Yeah.

606
00:50:49,520 --> 00:50:53,839
» Okay.
>> Makes sense.

607
00:50:51,599 --> 00:50:57,280
» And just the overview, we don't have But
there's nothing to go by. It's what

608
00:50:55,359 --> 00:50:59,359
we're approving them to do it, but we
don't have a check.

609
00:50:58,240 --> 00:51:02,359
» We go by what they're doing.
>> Yeah.

610
00:51:02,800 --> 00:51:12,520
» Yeah. You know, he comes in and says
that the preliminary plat.

611
00:51:08,800 --> 00:51:12,520
Well, what does that mean?

612
00:51:12,960 --> 00:51:20,800
We don't know.
The engineer said it's good. No, we'll

613
00:51:17,680 --> 00:51:24,200
just take his word for it.
>> So, we table

614
00:51:24,319 --> 00:51:29,920
All right. Move to table this discussion
this

615
00:51:27,599 --> 00:51:36,240
» close the public hearing. What? All
right. Let me let me stay. We will need

616
00:51:33,280 --> 00:51:41,280
a motion to continue this public hearing
to the October Planning and Zoning

617
00:51:38,720 --> 00:51:45,119
Commission meeting and table the
request. That's the word like you

618
00:51:43,599 --> 00:51:50,559
continue the hearing and table the
request to the next table.

619
00:51:48,000 --> 00:51:52,640
» I move to continue the public hearing to
the October meeting. There we go. That's

620
00:51:52,319 --> 00:51:56,960
it.
>> For case number

621
00:51:54,480 --> 00:51:59,960
» CA
26003.

622
00:52:02,400 --> 00:52:10,319
» All approve.
>> I

623
00:52:07,599 --> 00:52:14,880
disapprove.
>> Okay.

624
00:52:13,040 --> 00:52:17,520
» All right.
I don't think we have anything else.

625
00:52:16,160 --> 00:52:22,880
Right.
>> I'll make a motion to adjurnn.

626
00:52:20,240 --> 00:52:22,880
» Second.

627
00:52:26,400 --> 00:52:32,200
I got her acted on already.
>> 52.

628
00:52:48,160 --> 00:52:52,480
» I know. Here's my name but can't