1 00:00:01,330 --> 00:00:03,670 We need no order, but we can start with a roll call, please. 2 00:00:04,970 --> 00:00:06,550 Director Pan. Here. 3 00:00:06,870 --> 00:00:08,270 Director Coomander. Here. 4 00:00:08,610 --> 00:00:09,630 Director Wall. Here. 5 00:00:10,150 --> 00:00:11,450 Vice Chair Orkney. Here. 6 00:00:12,010 --> 00:00:12,950 Chair Powell. Here. 7 00:00:13,190 --> 00:00:14,730 We have a call. Thank you very much. 8 00:00:14,870 --> 00:00:16,330 If we could all stand for the Pledge of Allegiance. 9 00:00:17,410 --> 00:00:18,430 The Honour, Pledge of Allegiance. 10 00:00:18,710 --> 00:00:19,070 Sure. 11 00:00:20,270 --> 00:00:24,490 Pledge of Allegiance is the flag of the United States of America 12 00:00:24,490 --> 00:00:29,170 and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation under God, 13 00:00:29,170 --> 00:00:32,390 indivisible with liberty and justice for all. 14 00:00:39,830 --> 00:00:42,680 First item is to review the agenda and 15 00:00:42,680 --> 00:00:45,080 let Markman changes. 16 00:00:45,300 --> 00:00:46,900 No fugitive changes, please. 17 00:00:47,540 --> 00:00:47,980 Thank you. 18 00:00:48,260 --> 00:00:50,320 Yes, I have a change, please. 19 00:00:51,020 --> 00:00:56,260 I would like to continue item 14 for our next meeting, 20 00:00:56,260 --> 00:01:00,200 which is consideration of changing our name. 21 00:01:00,840 --> 00:01:04,440 And also, I'm wondering about pulling 10. 22 00:01:04,440 --> 00:01:09,140 Since we do have a rather large agenda, which is the customer 23 00:01:09,140 --> 00:01:13,240 conservation class, I remember Sandy, you're here, so you probably want to speak on that. 24 00:01:13,900 --> 00:01:15,540 Your convenience, I can come back? 25 00:01:17,300 --> 00:01:17,480 What? 26 00:01:19,380 --> 00:01:22,000 I was just going to ask, are you prepared to speak on that tonight? 27 00:01:22,500 --> 00:01:22,660 Yes. 28 00:01:23,180 --> 00:01:24,280 Okay, I believe it. 29 00:01:24,580 --> 00:01:24,760 All right. 30 00:01:25,080 --> 00:01:26,640 So, just a full report. 31 00:01:27,580 --> 00:01:28,020 Okay. 32 00:01:28,420 --> 00:01:29,080 Any other changes? 33 00:01:30,160 --> 00:01:33,780 If not, I'll entertain a motion to approve the amended agenda. 34 00:01:37,760 --> 00:01:39,040 And seconded. 35 00:01:39,620 --> 00:01:41,780 All in favor say aye. 36 00:01:42,120 --> 00:01:42,560 Aye. 37 00:01:42,880 --> 00:01:43,340 Any opposed? 38 00:01:43,800 --> 00:01:44,680 Any abstentions? 39 00:01:45,280 --> 00:01:46,220 Motion carries. 40 00:01:47,000 --> 00:01:51,220 Next up is public comment for items that are not on the agenda. 41 00:01:51,820 --> 00:01:55,380 I do have a one-speaker card from Kim Croft. 42 00:01:55,800 --> 00:01:56,200 That's me. 43 00:01:56,200 --> 00:02:02,880 Kevin, if you could come up to the podium, please, and introduce yourself. 44 00:02:04,160 --> 00:02:07,320 My name is Kim Cross. I'm a homeowner here in Oak Park. 45 00:02:07,500 --> 00:02:08,840 I've been living here since 1981. 46 00:02:10,600 --> 00:02:18,760 The Governor Brown has allowed homeowners to put accessory dwelling units on. 47 00:02:18,760 --> 00:02:26,180 and I wanted to get some confirmation from the water district as to why their 48 00:02:26,180 --> 00:02:29,920 fees are not reasonable and customary which is what Governor Brown had 49 00:02:29,920 --> 00:02:35,120 suggested. He suggested that it would be an improvement for everybody to make 50 00:02:35,120 --> 00:02:39,040 the process quicker, simpler and easier for not only the homeowner but also for 51 00:02:39,040 --> 00:02:43,920 the person who would potentially be renting an ADU. In my case I'm not 52 00:02:43,920 --> 00:02:47,100 renting the ADU, I'm using it for my family like I said I've been here 53 00:02:47,100 --> 00:02:48,460 for 30 to some odd years. 54 00:02:49,080 --> 00:02:50,340 I have children, I have grandchildren. 55 00:02:51,420 --> 00:02:54,740 And so when I went to the triumphal district to, 56 00:02:54,960 --> 00:02:57,120 which is part of the process in doing this, 57 00:02:57,720 --> 00:02:59,040 you have to go to several departments, 58 00:02:59,200 --> 00:03:02,940 all of which provided waivers except for the water district 59 00:03:02,940 --> 00:03:06,240 and they charged or tried to charge me 60 00:03:06,240 --> 00:03:10,320 or they already did, already paid it, $4,422 61 00:03:11,640 --> 00:03:15,840 for a bathroom essentially in a accessory dwelling unit, 62 00:03:15,840 --> 00:03:18,260 at which, if you put that the size of my house 63 00:03:18,260 --> 00:03:22,500 is 1,900 square feet, I'm adding a junior ADU 64 00:03:23,020 --> 00:03:25,020 that at a cost of a whole sewer system 65 00:03:25,020 --> 00:03:27,960 is 13,000 or 14,000 in between, 66 00:03:28,320 --> 00:03:32,340 it seems to me that $4,225 is there extremely 67 00:03:32,820 --> 00:03:34,220 not reasonable and customary, 68 00:03:34,300 --> 00:03:37,160 which states right in the rules of the ADU 69 00:03:37,160 --> 00:03:39,400 that they are supposed to be reasonable and customary. 70 00:03:39,860 --> 00:03:41,980 So I would like to get some further information 71 00:03:41,980 --> 00:03:44,240 as to why you are not providing 72 00:03:44,240 --> 00:03:47,320 reasonable customary fees to people putting ADU's. 73 00:03:48,060 --> 00:03:49,340 Okay, thank you. 74 00:03:49,860 --> 00:03:50,540 Don't 75 00:03:53,610 --> 00:03:56,270 really have a lot of information on this particular topic. 76 00:03:56,510 --> 00:04:02,570 I'd like to share with the board the process that we currently use to determine the fees. 77 00:04:03,230 --> 00:04:10,750 It's a ratio or it's a percentage of the original dwelling unit 78 00:04:11,130 --> 00:04:15,510 is what we use when we compare the ADU to the original dwelling unit. 79 00:04:15,510 --> 00:04:25,830 The percentage of one versus the other is the ratio that we use to assign a fracture of the capital fee. 80 00:04:27,430 --> 00:04:29,750 33% is not a fraction. 81 00:04:30,750 --> 00:04:33,130 Well, it's less than 100%. 82 00:04:33,130 --> 00:04:39,190 And that is, in my opinion, a reasonable approach. 83 00:04:39,190 --> 00:04:46,790 Now, your board could consider other methodologies to assign those costs, and staff could certainly look into that. 84 00:04:48,090 --> 00:04:55,670 But we believe that it is a reasonable approach to assign the agreement. 85 00:04:55,670 --> 00:04:59,170 Can I just add one thing to it? Just one more thing. 86 00:04:59,290 --> 00:05:04,430 Why is it that that's reasonable that if I enclose my stairs and don't have an exit outside, 87 00:05:04,670 --> 00:05:07,230 I could put 12 bathrooms in there and the fee would be zero? 88 00:05:08,210 --> 00:05:16,270 The reason that that would be the case, the new legislation is very clear as to whether 89 00:05:16,270 --> 00:05:23,190 it's an additional unit or additional square footings that's added on above and beyond 90 00:05:23,190 --> 00:05:30,650 the current versus the conversion for electrical demonstration of existing square footings. 91 00:05:32,030 --> 00:05:36,250 Do we have an ordinance that deals with this particular issue? 92 00:05:36,250 --> 00:05:43,090 We are aware of the process of updating all of our ordinance in this chair call. 93 00:05:43,490 --> 00:05:53,210 We do have a worksheet and kind of a handout that we have developed for our customers that kind of walk them through the process. 94 00:05:54,170 --> 00:05:56,730 There's a decision tree that goes along with it. 95 00:05:56,790 --> 00:06:01,990 It kind of lays out the rationale that this confuses to assign this call. 96 00:06:03,150 --> 00:06:09,110 Okay, the House Counsel, I mean, it's not to agendize items to take any action. 97 00:06:09,330 --> 00:06:12,230 I mean, obviously we take public comment. 98 00:06:13,410 --> 00:06:17,950 We can have, and I don't know whether or not there is any kind of an appeal process, 99 00:06:18,390 --> 00:06:23,690 or whether we have others that have gone this route that are polite for this. 100 00:06:23,930 --> 00:06:25,530 If I might, there's always an appeal process. 101 00:06:26,250 --> 00:06:30,570 Your constituents can always approach your board and ask for consideration. 102 00:06:31,890 --> 00:06:39,210 that's different than what the current rules or regulations for your district stipulate. 103 00:06:41,370 --> 00:06:44,770 Chair Paul, since we can't really discuss this, it's not on the agenda. 104 00:06:45,390 --> 00:06:51,510 Why don't we agendize it at an upcoming meeting and we look at it in depth and why the Chargers are as they are, 105 00:06:51,670 --> 00:06:54,890 and if we should change them. Thank you for bringing that to our attention. 106 00:06:54,890 --> 00:06:56,390 Thank you. 107 00:06:56,650 --> 00:07:01,830 I'd like to just ask, have we had any other homeowners to come to us with the same of us? 108 00:07:02,910 --> 00:07:04,690 Well, I'll just ask them to respond to that. 109 00:07:04,790 --> 00:07:06,650 We've been the same person. 110 00:07:07,710 --> 00:07:08,110 Can go. 111 00:07:08,410 --> 00:07:08,570 That's all. 112 00:07:08,750 --> 00:07:10,930 I got yelled at for that saying that. 113 00:07:11,650 --> 00:07:13,030 We had two prior. 114 00:07:13,210 --> 00:07:13,930 One was in Bill Canyon. 115 00:07:14,170 --> 00:07:15,150 They did detached structure. 116 00:07:15,310 --> 00:07:19,890 They were charged the standard based on the 25 ERU count that the district uses. 117 00:07:20,110 --> 00:07:21,290 Fixed your account for an ERU. 118 00:07:21,750 --> 00:07:22,390 They were charged right. 119 00:07:22,490 --> 00:07:23,430 The other one was in Oak Park. 120 00:07:23,430 --> 00:07:27,350 it was an interior remodel so they did not change their square footage of the 121 00:07:27,350 --> 00:07:31,290 footprint. So therefore there were no fees charged to that one per the legislation. 122 00:07:31,870 --> 00:07:36,190 Okay so we only have one other example that would be comparable to what yeah 123 00:07:36,190 --> 00:07:42,630 Scott's going through correct. In her case, this started January 1st of this 124 00:07:42,630 --> 00:07:45,570 year for the district, a special district. One of the things they talked 125 00:07:45,570 --> 00:07:48,550 about is the square footage. In the case where she's building a second 126 00:07:48,550 --> 00:07:52,070 story it's a little bit and we have to come forward legal on this down the 127 00:07:52,070 --> 00:07:56,350 road it's a little bit nebulous on is that it's sitting within the footprint 128 00:07:56,350 --> 00:08:01,070 but it's adding a second story to an existing first story so it falls in that 129 00:08:01,070 --> 00:08:05,510 it wasn't clear to find an ADU legislation so that's why we applied what 130 00:08:05,510 --> 00:08:09,110 we were able to apply based on the fact that it is a secondary structure with 131 00:08:09,110 --> 00:08:14,990 an outside access to it. Is there possibly well let me just say we 132 00:08:14,990 --> 00:08:17,030 If we add this to the agenda for the next meeting, 133 00:08:17,650 --> 00:08:22,210 get to maybe a little bit of a more of a detailed report 134 00:08:22,210 --> 00:08:30,100 on what our current regulation or current process is right now. 135 00:08:31,000 --> 00:08:34,580 It's hard to make any suggestions at this point, 136 00:08:34,880 --> 00:08:36,900 or, and there's no formal appeal. 137 00:08:37,340 --> 00:08:39,060 I appreciate your comments. 138 00:08:39,280 --> 00:08:41,180 I think in the past, with other issues, 139 00:08:41,460 --> 00:08:44,160 there is a specific formal process 140 00:08:44,160 --> 00:08:48,660 to appeal that I think you have to send a letter in or a request. I don't know if we have a form. 141 00:08:49,380 --> 00:08:57,280 So if you want to go that route, we could do that, agendize this at an upcoming meeting to discuss it further, 142 00:08:57,440 --> 00:09:03,540 but we need to get more information and maybe take a little bit of a harder look at the new regulations 143 00:09:03,540 --> 00:09:05,560 and make sure that we're conforming. 144 00:09:06,060 --> 00:09:09,520 That's sort of the regulations, but I agree with the vice chair or me. 145 00:09:10,180 --> 00:09:12,740 You're not the first district that's struggling with this. 146 00:09:13,400 --> 00:09:19,840 There's several other districts in the county that have had more than two dozens of people 147 00:09:19,840 --> 00:09:22,720 come in that want to build accessory dwelling units. 148 00:09:23,360 --> 00:09:25,600 And they've developed ordinances and stuff to deal with. 149 00:09:25,660 --> 00:09:30,620 So I think I agree that a lot of them continue to come back with council and staff 150 00:09:30,620 --> 00:09:34,780 with a recommendation either on an ordinance or some procedure in which we deal with this. 151 00:09:34,780 --> 00:09:35,060 We 152 00:09:38,260 --> 00:09:39,080 can add to that. 153 00:09:39,740 --> 00:09:40,600 It's true. 154 00:09:40,780 --> 00:09:43,740 This is actually something that's more and more cases like that. 155 00:09:43,800 --> 00:09:49,400 Perhaps we can review the process and procedures guidelines 156 00:09:50,040 --> 00:09:51,860 for there are two parts. 157 00:09:52,080 --> 00:09:53,700 One is the connection fee, because I 158 00:09:53,700 --> 00:09:56,600 think this lady was talking about the initial connection 159 00:09:56,600 --> 00:09:58,480 fee, how to prorate that. 160 00:09:59,500 --> 00:10:02,680 And then there's also the ongoing charges, 161 00:10:03,080 --> 00:10:05,900 that separate there's the water race and the sewer race. 162 00:10:05,900 --> 00:10:09,260 Because in some cases, say, if people adding a lot of fixtures 163 00:10:09,260 --> 00:10:13,100 to it, that may even requiring to up-sizing the water meter. 164 00:10:13,320 --> 00:10:15,120 I'm assuming it will not be in your case. 165 00:10:15,280 --> 00:10:17,880 But in some cases, when you refer to incidents 166 00:10:17,880 --> 00:10:21,980 that where people are adding a large number of fixtures 167 00:10:21,980 --> 00:10:24,640 and that could impact, say, the meter size, 168 00:10:24,840 --> 00:10:28,180 and then also on the sewer side, how many are you 169 00:10:28,620 --> 00:10:31,160 that will be assessed to the sewer rates? 170 00:10:31,360 --> 00:10:33,860 So perhaps that all these impacts can be real. 171 00:10:33,860 --> 00:10:36,480 I mean, we're kind of getting into it when we're here. 172 00:10:36,980 --> 00:10:41,100 I think we need to continue for a month, and I apologize. 173 00:10:41,860 --> 00:10:43,060 They may have to wait a minute. 174 00:10:43,140 --> 00:10:45,840 How do I do the appeal process? 175 00:10:46,580 --> 00:10:47,480 Is that where I need to start? 176 00:10:49,440 --> 00:10:54,360 Typically, you would provide in writing 177 00:10:54,360 --> 00:10:59,120 a request for the district to review your issue. 178 00:11:00,820 --> 00:11:02,840 OK, so is that just write a letter? 179 00:11:02,840 --> 00:11:05,720 Just a brief letter, you can send us an email. 180 00:11:06,560 --> 00:11:07,000 Okay. 181 00:11:08,720 --> 00:11:11,680 And how do I get your actual email address? 182 00:11:12,880 --> 00:11:14,880 Is it on my letter of my will, sir? 183 00:11:15,040 --> 00:11:16,800 Our clerk of the board can find that. 184 00:11:16,820 --> 00:11:17,720 We'll help you out. 185 00:11:18,180 --> 00:11:18,580 Okay. 186 00:11:19,220 --> 00:11:19,820 Thank you. 187 00:11:20,680 --> 00:11:21,280 I appreciate that. 188 00:11:21,360 --> 00:11:24,660 So let's move on then to consent items five through seven, 189 00:11:26,160 --> 00:11:29,840 which include the minutes of May 21st. 190 00:11:29,840 --> 00:11:36,720 Regular meeting May 23rd special meeting in our June 11 special meeting and the adoption 191 00:11:36,720 --> 00:11:45,460 of our 2018-19 budget and approval of a budget adjustment for CIP. 192 00:11:47,440 --> 00:11:49,600 I move approval of the set items. 193 00:11:49,860 --> 00:11:50,460 Second. 194 00:11:52,520 --> 00:11:54,240 Okay, any discussion on these? 195 00:11:55,540 --> 00:11:57,300 If not, all in favor say aye. 196 00:11:57,720 --> 00:11:57,940 Aye. 197 00:11:57,940 --> 00:11:58,240 Aye. 198 00:11:58,460 --> 00:11:58,980 Any opposed? 199 00:11:58,980 --> 00:12:01,920 those, my abstentions, motion to charge unanimously. 200 00:12:04,550 --> 00:12:06,450 We have a budget, which is good because 201 00:12:06,770 --> 00:12:08,630 it took away from the year right down to four days. 202 00:12:09,850 --> 00:12:14,890 And I want to say thank you, we've done a lot of work. 203 00:12:15,410 --> 00:12:18,810 And this budget has been particularly challenging this year, 204 00:12:19,350 --> 00:12:20,050 for a lot of reasons. 205 00:12:20,390 --> 00:12:25,090 And I want to thank staff for their diligence, and so 206 00:12:26,980 --> 00:12:29,020 the RSD, Chris Tyson. 207 00:12:29,440 --> 00:12:31,400 Too bad Mike didn't hear that, he did all the work. 208 00:12:32,520 --> 00:12:34,800 I know we walked out, so that's why I'm waiting. 209 00:12:34,820 --> 00:12:35,060 I'll tell you tomorrow. 210 00:12:35,880 --> 00:12:36,600 Thank you. 211 00:12:37,040 --> 00:12:39,560 I think you'll replay all the video if you want. 212 00:12:40,800 --> 00:12:42,500 Again, we appreciate that. 213 00:12:42,680 --> 00:12:44,720 It's one of the most important things that the district does, 214 00:12:44,800 --> 00:12:50,520 is make sure that we plan accordingly for priorities, 215 00:12:51,020 --> 00:12:52,320 and we appreciate that. 216 00:12:52,740 --> 00:12:55,240 So, moving on then to Ashton items. 217 00:12:56,180 --> 00:13:01,740 Action item eight is a public hearing to place the sewer service charges on the 218 00:13:01,740 --> 00:13:07,160 Ventura County secured property tax rolls. So first up is to conduct a public 219 00:13:07,160 --> 00:13:11,000 hearing to receive written and oral comments on the proposal to collect 220 00:13:11,000 --> 00:13:15,480 sewer charges via the property tax statement. So I'm going to go ahead and 221 00:13:15,480 --> 00:13:20,640 call to open up public hearing and start with staff report and recommendations. 222 00:13:21,500 --> 00:13:29,160 Thank you, Mr. Chair. As the board knows, TSD utilizes the Ventura County tax roll as 223 00:13:29,160 --> 00:13:35,460 a very cost-effective approach to building the wastewater districts, or the sanitary 224 00:13:35,460 --> 00:13:42,340 districts sewer service fees. The cost for the service is a fraction of what it would 225 00:13:42,340 --> 00:13:46,740 cost if you were to do a monthly bill for the same purpose. 226 00:13:47,640 --> 00:13:58,260 The tax roll billing process requires your district to develop and approve a list of parcels to be assessed along with the charge for each parcel. 227 00:13:59,240 --> 00:14:09,480 As the Chair already indicated, you must conduct a public hearing to receive written and oral comments on the proposed collection of these fees. 228 00:14:09,480 --> 00:14:22,120 Staff is recommending that your board conduct a public hearing, adopt TSD resolution TSD 2018-03 regarding collection of sewer service charges 229 00:14:22,120 --> 00:14:31,400 and also direct staff to file a certified copy of the adopted reports and resolution with the Ventura County Auditor Control Board. 230 00:14:31,940 --> 00:14:38,260 And lastly direct staff to coordinate collection of sewer service charges on the general Ventura County Security property tax roll 231 00:14:38,260 --> 00:14:44,120 with the county auditor, assessor and tax collector. Thank you. 232 00:14:46,320 --> 00:14:47,860 Do we have any written 233 00:14:47,860 --> 00:14:53,520 communications? We do not receive any written communication. And do we have any public 234 00:14:53,520 --> 00:14:59,200 comment on this? No public comment. In that case, we're going to 235 00:15:04,500 --> 00:15:10,840 I would like to ask our general manager how much it costs for us to do this. I saw in the budget it was $20,000. 236 00:15:10,840 --> 00:15:14,440 It's about one quarter of 1% of the annual amount built. 237 00:15:14,720 --> 00:15:18,140 Okay, I saw it was $20,000 in our budget. So is that about right? 238 00:15:18,380 --> 00:15:23,990 Okay. Thank you. So it's not free. 239 00:15:24,550 --> 00:15:31,190 It's not free, but it's certainly a significantly more cost-effective approach than if you didn't 240 00:15:31,190 --> 00:15:31,510 know before. 241 00:15:32,030 --> 00:15:34,570 We all have out of every other month. 242 00:15:37,170 --> 00:15:39,770 I'm just saying we might want to look at that next year, thank you. 243 00:15:40,510 --> 00:15:41,570 We look at it every year. 244 00:15:44,210 --> 00:15:54,970 So with that, do we have a motion to adopt staff recommendation for the items B through E? 245 00:15:56,050 --> 00:15:56,950 I shall move. 246 00:15:58,550 --> 00:15:59,590 Do we have a second? 247 00:16:00,130 --> 00:16:00,230 Okay. 248 00:16:00,230 --> 00:16:02,010 We'll then second it and then we put the discussion. 249 00:16:02,890 --> 00:16:04,930 All in favor of the motion say aye. 250 00:16:05,310 --> 00:16:05,570 Aye. 251 00:16:05,570 --> 00:16:05,870 Aye. 252 00:16:06,070 --> 00:16:06,470 Any opposed? 253 00:16:06,910 --> 00:16:07,130 No. 254 00:16:08,570 --> 00:16:09,790 1A, any extensions? 255 00:16:10,610 --> 00:16:11,830 Motion carries for quarter one. 256 00:16:13,090 --> 00:16:13,530 Thank you. 257 00:16:18,870 --> 00:16:23,770 Item nine, 2018-19 Water Conservation Rebate Program, 258 00:16:24,150 --> 00:16:25,510 this year's participation. 259 00:16:26,550 --> 00:16:29,070 I'm going to ask Sandy to come to chair with the presentations. 260 00:16:29,510 --> 00:16:29,810 Thank you. 261 00:16:30,930 --> 00:16:31,910 Good evening, board members. 262 00:16:32,510 --> 00:16:37,350 This is an annual project that comes about this time 263 00:16:37,350 --> 00:16:38,170 every year. 264 00:16:38,170 --> 00:16:42,850 and it involves the water conservation rebate program sponsored by Metropolitan 265 00:16:42,850 --> 00:16:48,110 Water District, supplemented by Kayagus Municipal Water District, and you have 266 00:16:48,110 --> 00:16:52,790 the opportunity to continue, if you so desire, adding additional supplemental 267 00:16:52,790 --> 00:16:57,490 rebates for Oak Park Water Service through Tri-Info. You can see in the 268 00:16:57,490 --> 00:17:03,150 staff report what the Metropolitan and Kayagus rebates currently are. 269 00:17:07,670 --> 00:17:08,070 They 270 00:17:08,070 --> 00:17:12,670 I've also provided a summary on what the board budgeted last year. 271 00:17:13,950 --> 00:17:19,950 3200 additional supplemental rebates and those are shown everywhere from $20 for 272 00:17:19,950 --> 00:17:22,930 high efficiency clothes washers down to $10 for rain barrels. 273 00:17:24,090 --> 00:17:27,070 And as of the middle of last month, 274 00:17:27,450 --> 00:17:31,410 our expense at triumphal was approximately $1,782. 275 00:17:31,410 --> 00:17:37,690 dollars. So we're well under the what you had authorized at the beginning of the 276 00:17:37,690 --> 00:17:44,130 year. There is one significant change that we are expecting, and I say expecting 277 00:17:44,130 --> 00:17:49,410 because it hasn't been formally announced by Metropolitan, and that is the new 278 00:17:49,410 --> 00:17:53,430 landscape transformation program. As you may know they had a turf 279 00:17:53,430 --> 00:17:56,810 replacement program for quite some time that ran out of money rather 280 00:17:56,810 --> 00:18:01,630 that quickly and I just literally while I'm sitting here checked the SoCal 281 00:18:01,630 --> 00:18:06,250 WaterSparc website and it still says all those funds are exhausted so according 282 00:18:06,250 --> 00:18:12,270 to my contact Steve Savi at Caigas the announcement may actually come on July 283 00:18:12,270 --> 00:18:18,450 1st from Metropolitan and that will be an additional or a $1 per square foot 284 00:18:18,450 --> 00:18:25,910 rebate for improved turf replacement. There are some new proposed or I'm 285 00:18:25,910 --> 00:18:32,050 anticipated conditions that people will have to fulfill in terms of approved 286 00:18:32,590 --> 00:18:38,210 replacement projects, some education that they may need to go through prior to 287 00:18:38,210 --> 00:18:44,290 actually submitting their application, but I again expect to receive those 288 00:18:44,290 --> 00:18:50,030 shortly. So this evening staff is asking if the board would like to 289 00:18:50,030 --> 00:18:56,010 consider additional or continuing supplemental rebates for the rebate 290 00:18:56,010 --> 00:19:00,690 program and if so what you would like to budget toward that and the swimming 291 00:19:00,690 --> 00:19:04,970 metropolitan does proceed with the landscape transformation program would 292 00:19:04,970 --> 00:19:09,330 you as a board want to consider adding anything to the dollar per square foot 293 00:19:09,330 --> 00:19:14,470 So Cayegas does not plan to offer anything in addition to the dollar. 294 00:19:19,190 --> 00:19:20,670 Does that mean more for discussion? 295 00:19:24,160 --> 00:19:27,840 I would say we just continue with what we had for last year. 296 00:19:29,920 --> 00:19:35,080 I don't think we should be adding anything to the landscape option. 297 00:19:35,900 --> 00:19:39,520 What did we budget for this year for the next couple of years the same? 298 00:19:41,880 --> 00:19:47,320 When I spoke to Mike, I think, as soon as we were just going to continue, I believe he 299 00:19:47,320 --> 00:19:49,660 used the same 3200 for planning purposes. 300 00:19:51,440 --> 00:19:52,320 The 3200. 301 00:19:52,900 --> 00:19:53,140 Correct. 302 00:19:53,340 --> 00:19:53,420 Right. 303 00:19:54,660 --> 00:19:58,220 When we were in the middle of the drought and we were doing right in the middle of 304 00:19:58,220 --> 00:20:00,120 all this terrible placement, did we offer anything? 305 00:20:00,540 --> 00:20:01,420 It was a 50 cents. 306 00:20:02,100 --> 00:20:07,620 I think we had something in there and then we capped it as to the size of our 307 00:20:07,620 --> 00:20:08,200 recollection. 308 00:20:08,200 --> 00:20:18,000 I believe you are correct and there was a cap on square footage and it was reasonably popular at the time. 309 00:20:19,040 --> 00:20:32,880 Because we're tracking well under our budget and I'm just wondering as we're not to the board should we do something in there but cap it because you know we're subject to obviously our budget limitation. 310 00:20:32,880 --> 00:20:41,020 I think we're at a level where it is that the 3200 will go well under it, but that's a very variable thing people buying appliances and what not. 311 00:20:41,280 --> 00:20:46,660 I think that's an adequate number and there's no point in changing this point in my opinion. 312 00:20:47,360 --> 00:20:50,120 I'm not suggesting that we go above 3200, I'm just saying. 313 00:20:50,280 --> 00:20:51,620 No, I would stay at 3200. 314 00:20:51,880 --> 00:21:00,920 Right, no, I know that we're just saying should we add some rebate as to the list of eligible programs that we can provide. 315 00:21:01,480 --> 00:21:08,660 subject to that $3200 limit. I'm with Jim, I'm not in favor of the resawing of the 316 00:21:09,220 --> 00:21:13,140 unofficial term. Now if there's some new appliance that I've never heard of, maybe 317 00:21:13,140 --> 00:21:14,760 we want to add that I can save fire. 318 00:21:17,180 --> 00:21:17,820 Okay, anybody? 319 00:21:17,940 --> 00:21:22,060 Mr. Chair, just to one as a board, our court of order demand is very low. 320 00:21:24,630 --> 00:21:25,070 The part 321 00:21:25,070 --> 00:21:27,070 efforts are bearing fruit. 322 00:21:30,780 --> 00:21:34,220 For what? I think my opinion has been well 323 00:21:34,220 --> 00:21:38,800 documented that I think we as long as we have available water and people are 324 00:21:38,800 --> 00:21:43,700 responsible with it we're in the business of selling water and so I think you 325 00:21:43,700 --> 00:21:47,260 know if I think it's a good idea people taking out turf obviously long term that's 326 00:21:47,260 --> 00:21:51,140 it's a huge issue I know the Met if they provide some rebate program this is 327 00:21:51,140 --> 00:21:55,820 great but it can be very expensive and at this point given our financial 328 00:21:55,820 --> 00:21:59,300 pressures that we've gone through this year I don't think we have the budget 329 00:21:59,300 --> 00:22:01,380 to be able to land to those who agree with that. 330 00:22:02,220 --> 00:22:03,640 Yeah, I agree with it too. 331 00:22:03,920 --> 00:22:05,420 And we don't know for sure yet. 332 00:22:05,540 --> 00:22:07,100 Let's wait to put the announcement anyway. 333 00:22:07,520 --> 00:22:07,680 OK. 334 00:22:07,740 --> 00:22:08,700 We're getting ahead of ourselves. 335 00:22:09,220 --> 00:22:09,840 OK, so. 336 00:22:11,020 --> 00:22:13,740 I agree with what the other board members said. 337 00:22:13,980 --> 00:22:17,320 I think something to look out is that I think there's 338 00:22:17,320 --> 00:22:20,320 a high efficiency dishwasher out. 339 00:22:20,800 --> 00:22:22,780 But anyway, because I think kind of, you know, 340 00:22:23,260 --> 00:22:25,320 the people pay attention to, and I 341 00:22:25,320 --> 00:22:29,340 And I would suggest that you make any changes to the program. 342 00:22:30,040 --> 00:22:30,620 Okay. 343 00:22:30,860 --> 00:22:33,080 So what are you seeking here? 344 00:22:33,220 --> 00:22:36,960 Are you just signating an affirmation of our current program, 345 00:22:37,100 --> 00:22:39,020 or do we need any action? 346 00:22:39,240 --> 00:22:43,640 Basically, an amount for individual allocations per device, 347 00:22:43,760 --> 00:22:46,460 if you want to continue those or change. 348 00:22:46,900 --> 00:22:47,980 Just as a point of information, 349 00:22:48,180 --> 00:22:50,600 we have noticed over the course of the program 350 00:22:50,600 --> 00:22:54,560 that the high-efficiency toilets are much less popular. 351 00:22:54,560 --> 00:22:58,260 I think they've actually, they're part of the pun saturating the market. 352 00:22:58,960 --> 00:23:01,400 I think we've got quite a few of them already replaced. 353 00:23:01,840 --> 00:23:06,520 The weather-based irrigation controllers are more popular than they were. 354 00:23:07,320 --> 00:23:10,760 And you can see that for some of the items, there's really no, 355 00:23:10,900 --> 00:23:12,240 no rebates in that platform. 356 00:23:13,040 --> 00:23:14,940 The grain barrels are great, but we have to have rain. 357 00:23:15,300 --> 00:23:15,600 Exactly. 358 00:23:16,380 --> 00:23:17,720 It seems to be a problem. 359 00:23:18,660 --> 00:23:22,900 I move that we continue as the same program as last year 360 00:23:22,900 --> 00:23:29,000 with the maximum amount of $3,200 for the rebates sold listed. 361 00:23:29,420 --> 00:23:32,760 We have a motion. We have a second. 362 00:23:32,900 --> 00:23:33,660 Any further discussion? 363 00:23:34,520 --> 00:23:36,080 All in favor of the motion say aye. 364 00:23:36,500 --> 00:23:36,780 Aye. 365 00:23:37,260 --> 00:23:38,980 Any opposed? Any abstentions? 366 00:23:39,440 --> 00:23:40,620 Motion carries unanimously. 367 00:23:42,440 --> 00:23:43,380 Thank you, Cindy. 368 00:23:43,740 --> 00:23:44,060 You're welcome. 369 00:23:52,850 --> 00:23:57,610 Next up is item 10, Oak Park Water Service Customer 370 00:23:57,610 --> 00:23:59,190 Water Conservation House. 371 00:24:01,850 --> 00:24:10,510 Yes. Thank you, Chair. Vice Chair Orkney's request. We did some checking with Metropolitan 372 00:24:10,510 --> 00:24:18,310 and Kayagas on available conservation classes and the choice is basically two. There is a 373 00:24:18,310 --> 00:24:26,370 general California-friendly landscape training class that does cover a bit about turf replacement 374 00:24:26,370 --> 00:24:32,850 but there is, and again this one is pending the announcement by Met, but there is a planned 375 00:24:32,850 --> 00:24:39,270 residential turf removal class that I believe will be connected to the application process. 376 00:24:39,870 --> 00:24:44,950 They may require that he will attend that class before they can replace their turf. 377 00:24:45,570 --> 00:24:47,290 I'm kind of expecting to see that. 378 00:24:48,720 --> 00:24:54,950 Some of the specifics as shown in the report, a signup process would be necessary in 379 00:24:54,950 --> 00:25:01,110 order to guarantee a minimum of 14 people in the class. I was told that I believe it 380 00:25:01,110 --> 00:25:05,310 was the city of Moorpark actually scheduled a class. They didn't get the 14 381 00:25:05,310 --> 00:25:10,490 and met cancelled on it. So they love to see 20 or better but they'll do it for 382 00:25:10,490 --> 00:25:15,090 14. Saturdays tend to be the best day for that because the classes 383 00:25:15,090 --> 00:25:18,810 depending on your selection can be working two to four hours in length. 384 00:25:19,430 --> 00:25:23,010 They're free of charge as far as metropolitan is concerned. There is a 385 00:25:23,010 --> 00:25:24,970 fee for the instruction itself. 386 00:25:25,730 --> 00:25:28,310 Anything that in terms of financial impact 387 00:25:28,310 --> 00:25:30,250 would be limited to venue rental, 388 00:25:30,570 --> 00:25:32,670 refreshments, did a staff time. 389 00:25:33,490 --> 00:25:36,610 I did check with the O Park Community Center. 390 00:25:37,270 --> 00:25:41,790 The large room is extremely difficult to get on Saturdays. 391 00:25:41,910 --> 00:25:44,530 It's virtually booked through the remainder of the summer. 392 00:25:46,090 --> 00:25:49,490 But they have, I think they alternately call it 393 00:25:49,490 --> 00:25:53,290 the environmental education slash preschool room. 394 00:25:53,470 --> 00:25:56,390 But I believe we'll seat up to 40 to 45 people 395 00:25:56,390 --> 00:25:57,290 in a classroom setting. 396 00:25:57,750 --> 00:26:00,070 And it's considerably less expensive. 397 00:26:00,250 --> 00:26:01,130 It's about half the price. 398 00:26:02,310 --> 00:26:04,530 I think it would run about $150 to $200 399 00:26:04,530 --> 00:26:09,850 for a Saturday rental plus staff time of $26 an hour 400 00:26:09,850 --> 00:26:11,170 for two to four hours. 401 00:26:12,090 --> 00:26:14,670 So staff is essentially wanting to know 402 00:26:14,670 --> 00:26:16,310 if the board would like to proceed 403 00:26:17,070 --> 00:26:18,850 with scheduling such a class. 404 00:26:18,850 --> 00:26:27,530 And if so, would you prefer the landscape, general landscaping class or the assuming it is offered the turf replacement program? 405 00:26:28,510 --> 00:26:30,050 And then some idea of timing. 406 00:26:30,730 --> 00:26:31,710 Thank you. 407 00:26:32,070 --> 00:26:38,210 Yes, I think it's great. As old board members know, we've done this a few times anyway. 408 00:26:38,650 --> 00:26:47,090 And once, like your landscape committee from Fayette Park, Matt did it, and once Trialfo did it, we had a lot of people turn out. 409 00:26:47,090 --> 00:26:53,530 and I think the demand is there here in Oak Park and so yes I would like to go 410 00:26:53,530 --> 00:27:00,170 ahead really with both of them but first the landscape friendly training and I 411 00:27:00,170 --> 00:27:04,310 think that we should aim for like September and maybe October landscape 412 00:27:04,310 --> 00:27:10,790 in September and her removal in October if that does come to pass do 413 00:27:10,790 --> 00:27:12,590 Do they have handouts, do you know? 414 00:27:14,390 --> 00:27:15,550 For the class themselves? 415 00:27:15,710 --> 00:27:15,970 Yes. 416 00:27:17,430 --> 00:27:21,070 I believe they, if you're saying at the class when people 417 00:27:21,070 --> 00:27:24,510 Well, or something for us to do as a mailer, 418 00:27:24,670 --> 00:27:25,970 do we have to create it ourselves? 419 00:27:26,810 --> 00:27:28,290 I don't know the answer to that. 420 00:27:28,810 --> 00:27:32,730 There's a very brief summary on the net website of what's 421 00:27:32,730 --> 00:27:34,130 included, and essentially that's 422 00:27:34,130 --> 00:27:36,650 what I've politicized here in the descriptions 423 00:27:36,650 --> 00:27:37,490 of the two classes. 424 00:27:39,290 --> 00:27:42,850 I would have to find that out, but we could certainly include that in the promotion. 425 00:27:43,150 --> 00:27:48,630 We could make that a bill stuff or item. 426 00:27:49,430 --> 00:27:49,750 Sure. 427 00:27:50,610 --> 00:27:51,970 Well, okay, I think it's great. 428 00:27:53,250 --> 00:27:55,410 I think we need some planning, obviously. 429 00:27:55,970 --> 00:28:01,750 I mean, I don't know if maybe we even need an ad hoc committee for this to work with you, Sandy. 430 00:28:02,030 --> 00:28:06,730 But if we do decide to do it, I think it's a lovely outreach 431 00:28:06,730 --> 00:28:09,430 for the community and a service that we can offer? 432 00:28:11,550 --> 00:28:13,370 I tend to agree with that, but I do have a question. 433 00:28:13,610 --> 00:28:16,810 How in the past and how would we do it now, as far as promotion 434 00:28:16,810 --> 00:28:17,750 and advertising? 435 00:28:18,330 --> 00:28:20,190 And is that an added expense to us, 436 00:28:20,270 --> 00:28:22,650 or is that done through Metropolitan as well? 437 00:28:23,310 --> 00:28:25,310 I think typically in the San Diego Correct Community, 438 00:28:25,430 --> 00:28:26,950 typically that's been an expense that's been 439 00:28:26,950 --> 00:28:28,330 borne by your district. 440 00:28:29,110 --> 00:28:30,690 And how is it done in the past? 441 00:28:31,390 --> 00:28:32,710 Using an ad and a star. 442 00:28:33,650 --> 00:28:46,790 We have the paper, we've submitted a bill suffered with a notice to the residents that we're going to be providing an opportunity for the class to attend the class. 443 00:28:47,350 --> 00:28:51,630 Do they have to respond in RSVP to it or to show it? 444 00:28:52,590 --> 00:28:59,370 Typically, sir. I don't think that we have required people to sign up for the class. 445 00:28:59,370 --> 00:29:03,390 So we say that we have, in this case, Steve said, 446 00:29:04,150 --> 00:29:06,510 have a sign up just so that you can guarantee the 14, 447 00:29:07,410 --> 00:29:09,750 so that you don't end up with 12 people 448 00:29:09,750 --> 00:29:11,490 that are disappointed on a Saturday morning. 449 00:29:11,790 --> 00:29:15,830 It's just one thing, too, if we can get our portal back 450 00:29:15,830 --> 00:29:17,530 online, it's another issue. 451 00:29:19,030 --> 00:29:21,550 Maybe there's a possibility of doing some kind of a message 452 00:29:21,550 --> 00:29:24,250 in there, so the people that are in there 453 00:29:24,250 --> 00:29:26,730 are probably the most active in monitoring water 454 00:29:27,550 --> 00:29:31,590 something to add and I don't know if that's possible. 455 00:29:32,090 --> 00:29:34,650 I believe we can put a message in there. 456 00:29:38,730 --> 00:29:44,670 If we were to reserve a room and we didn't have the required number of people that had to cancel it, 457 00:29:44,690 --> 00:29:46,110 we still have to pay for the reservation. 458 00:29:47,510 --> 00:29:49,790 I don't know what the cancellation policy is. 459 00:29:49,950 --> 00:29:54,390 I believe if you were to give them reasonable notice, 460 00:29:54,390 --> 00:29:59,110 I mean if it got canceled the day of I think we'd be stuck but if if you realized 461 00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:05,020 Week ahead of time that you only had six people signed up, I don't think we would have to thank you. 462 00:30:07,480 --> 00:30:14,340 Yeah, just wondering, the website sometimes, you know, that you can build in the RSVP online. 463 00:30:15,880 --> 00:30:18,820 But anyway, this is something to possibly check into. 464 00:30:19,340 --> 00:30:24,800 And we make the announcement on our website that there are many other professional associations 465 00:30:24,800 --> 00:30:29,340 that we belong to that you can do RSVP online too. 466 00:30:30,280 --> 00:30:34,840 Yeah, those are some free tools that you can pretty easily Google. 467 00:30:35,300 --> 00:30:37,260 We have constant contact that we use. 468 00:30:38,080 --> 00:30:41,300 We have not used constant contact, in my knowledge. 469 00:30:41,800 --> 00:30:44,880 We have access, of course, to the customer database, 470 00:30:44,880 --> 00:30:48,220 which we've done mass mailings directly on our own. 471 00:30:48,360 --> 00:30:53,520 The one thing that I've done for a number of events in some other groups 472 00:30:53,520 --> 00:30:56,000 is we use Eventbrite, which is free, actually. 473 00:30:57,080 --> 00:31:03,700 they actually promoted to throughout the week, so you can do a free event and do more SVPs. 474 00:31:04,160 --> 00:31:04,920 Especially if it's free. 475 00:31:05,280 --> 00:31:05,620 Right. 476 00:31:06,020 --> 00:31:06,120 Right. 477 00:31:06,800 --> 00:31:06,980 Yeah. 478 00:31:08,120 --> 00:31:08,760 Well, 479 00:31:12,100 --> 00:31:18,400 I move then that we offer residential California friendly landscape training class 480 00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:30,800 through that sometime in September, and with it renting out the smaller room at the community center. 481 00:31:31,760 --> 00:31:33,080 Okay, do you have a second? 482 00:31:33,620 --> 00:31:34,340 I'll second that. 483 00:31:34,800 --> 00:31:35,620 Any further discussion? 484 00:31:35,800 --> 00:31:38,180 Do you need to include some real little dates in case? 485 00:31:38,820 --> 00:31:42,020 The small room had a lot of openings at this point. 486 00:31:42,520 --> 00:31:46,440 My plan might be to come back to the board at your next meeting and say, 487 00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:50,560 We've got September 10th, 17th, and 24th or whatever it might be. 488 00:31:50,860 --> 00:31:54,960 Yeah, you want to look at holidays and, can you see L.A. home football games? 489 00:31:56,960 --> 00:31:57,400 Absolutely. 490 00:31:59,660 --> 00:32:07,840 And why don't you technically just reserve one mid month so that we don't get, but we 491 00:32:14,160 --> 00:32:19,400 Okay, so if we have a motion and a second, all in favor say aye. 492 00:32:19,740 --> 00:32:20,080 Aye. 493 00:32:20,520 --> 00:32:21,020 Any opposed? 494 00:32:21,640 --> 00:32:22,380 Any abstentions? 495 00:32:22,780 --> 00:32:23,440 Motion carries. 496 00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:25,160 Okay, 497 00:32:32,620 --> 00:32:39,640 so next up is item 11, California Association of Sanitation, agencies designation 498 00:32:39,640 --> 00:32:42,500 of the agency representatives of electronic transmission 499 00:32:42,500 --> 00:32:43,460 and consent before. 500 00:32:44,560 --> 00:32:45,820 Thank you, Mr. Chair. 501 00:32:46,060 --> 00:32:49,280 The California Association of Sanitation Agencies 502 00:32:49,280 --> 00:32:51,220 also known as CASA. 503 00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:54,560 In advance of their upcoming annual election, 504 00:32:55,280 --> 00:32:59,300 CASA has requested that TSD designate agency representatives 505 00:32:59,300 --> 00:33:02,040 to participate in CASA business. 506 00:33:03,220 --> 00:33:06,800 In addition, CASA has requested that the TSD Board 507 00:33:06,800 --> 00:33:12,960 considered providing written consent to receive and send official communications 508 00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:20,040 via electronic transmission and staff recommendation is for your board to review 509 00:33:20,040 --> 00:33:27,260 your current CASA designated representatives make changes as you 510 00:33:27,260 --> 00:33:35,400 so desire then direct staff to complete the designation of agency 511 00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:41,020 representative form, return to CASA, and also for you to consider the option to 512 00:33:41,020 --> 00:33:46,380 consent to the electronic transmission as I previously mentioned, and if so 513 00:33:46,380 --> 00:33:52,060 designate the clerk of the board to send and receive official communications to 514 00:33:52,060 --> 00:33:57,420 CASA on behalf of Troy and Pope, and lastly direct staff to coordinate 515 00:33:57,420 --> 00:33:58,980 collection of sewer service charges. 516 00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:06,480 And this is for the annual meeting that's coming up? 517 00:34:09,540 --> 00:34:13,120 So I think I remember that we had to cast a vote. 518 00:34:13,740 --> 00:34:22,440 Yeah, I think if you look at your current list of representatives, you have Steve Isamander, 519 00:34:22,900 --> 00:34:26,360 who everybody knows is no longer with trial and file. 520 00:34:27,500 --> 00:34:32,220 So there's a primary and then two alternates that you coordinate to select. 521 00:34:33,080 --> 00:34:37,520 We would provide those names to the process. 522 00:34:38,500 --> 00:34:43,750 And then the last of yours that you sent, like a transmission. 523 00:34:44,290 --> 00:34:50,450 So thank you. I would entertain, you know, from the board members as to who would be interested in working on that. 524 00:34:50,850 --> 00:34:53,130 Or to be a janitor to your organization. 525 00:34:53,130 --> 00:34:53,950 Yeah, that'd be fine. 526 00:34:53,950 --> 00:35:00,050 And then, Susan Ray, if you're attending the conferences, 527 00:35:00,490 --> 00:35:02,230 I think that's what you call it. 528 00:35:02,230 --> 00:35:02,730 Go on. 529 00:35:04,430 --> 00:35:05,950 Second, get you to another table. 530 00:35:06,870 --> 00:35:08,030 And then we have, we designate three. 531 00:35:09,350 --> 00:35:11,550 It's one primary two, the whole thing. 532 00:35:11,910 --> 00:35:14,410 So if I, the two of you, or Janna, 533 00:35:15,250 --> 00:35:16,970 the primary two of you, it's okay. 534 00:35:18,390 --> 00:35:20,890 But I think it doesn't happen at house. 535 00:35:20,890 --> 00:35:23,630 It happens by email, right? 536 00:35:24,150 --> 00:35:26,670 I mean, it's not during the meeting, actually, is it? 537 00:35:26,770 --> 00:35:29,170 But when they do a vote, I think you 538 00:35:29,170 --> 00:35:30,530 have to be your son of valid. 539 00:35:30,770 --> 00:35:32,730 I recall a couple years ago that when 540 00:35:32,730 --> 00:35:36,450 you voted for the sleigh of officers, the annual meeting, 541 00:35:36,650 --> 00:35:40,270 I think it was each district had one vote, and this one. 542 00:35:40,470 --> 00:35:41,230 That's correct, right. 543 00:35:43,430 --> 00:35:46,590 With that, do we need a motion for that? 544 00:35:46,990 --> 00:35:47,110 Yeah. 545 00:35:47,490 --> 00:35:49,630 Can I get your participation on that? 546 00:35:49,770 --> 00:35:51,230 We said the two alternates, but which 547 00:35:51,230 --> 00:35:53,310 just the second alternate, which is the third. 548 00:35:53,990 --> 00:35:54,130 Oh. 549 00:35:55,210 --> 00:35:55,910 Janice, the- 550 00:35:55,910 --> 00:35:57,390 We'll do Ray as the first alternate, 551 00:35:57,690 --> 00:35:58,490 which is the second alternate. 552 00:36:01,780 --> 00:36:02,720 I thought it was the alternate. 553 00:36:03,120 --> 00:36:05,040 No, you're going to be the first one, I'm going to be the second. 554 00:36:05,040 --> 00:36:06,280 Oh, do you have to find that in? 555 00:36:06,340 --> 00:36:06,480 No. 556 00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:07,460 Oh, okay. 557 00:36:07,740 --> 00:36:08,520 I'll do it for you. 558 00:36:08,760 --> 00:36:09,740 You're the boss over here. 559 00:36:11,720 --> 00:36:12,140 Okay. 560 00:36:12,860 --> 00:36:14,680 So we have a motion for, 561 00:36:16,120 --> 00:36:17,420 also one point, yeah. 562 00:36:17,960 --> 00:36:18,200 Ray? 563 00:36:18,480 --> 00:36:18,940 I'll second. 564 00:36:19,340 --> 00:36:21,600 James, second for the discussion. 565 00:36:22,320 --> 00:36:23,480 All in favor say aye. 566 00:36:23,480 --> 00:36:23,860 Hi. 567 00:36:23,860 --> 00:36:24,160 Hi. 568 00:36:24,640 --> 00:36:25,100 Any opposed? 569 00:36:25,780 --> 00:36:26,380 Any abstention? 570 00:36:27,460 --> 00:36:28,780 Oh, she carries unanimously. 571 00:36:31,920 --> 00:36:40,520 By the way, I did, for our item, I'm going to say, for item 16, I did say I would give 572 00:36:40,520 --> 00:36:43,020 REC 15 a warning text. 573 00:36:43,440 --> 00:36:43,620 Good. 574 00:36:44,080 --> 00:36:50,860 So if we compare where we're in up here now, does somebody remind me on that? 575 00:36:50,860 --> 00:37:00,420 I think that this will be the last item to be up to, I think 14 was able to, July, right? 576 00:37:00,700 --> 00:37:01,620 Continue to July. 577 00:37:01,880 --> 00:37:09,220 Yeah, and 13 shouldn't take. 578 00:37:10,140 --> 00:37:10,840 The grand jury? 579 00:37:11,520 --> 00:37:15,240 No, the grand jury is called. We got 13 to cover up with this. 580 00:37:15,580 --> 00:37:16,860 So we have another. 581 00:37:16,860 --> 00:37:25,400 Okay, so if you could give me just a moment, I'm going to go ahead and show you the size 582 00:37:25,400 --> 00:37:26,060 of this volume. 583 00:38:03,180 --> 00:38:07,920 To item 12, grand jury report on the independent special districts. 584 00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:09,080 Thank you. 585 00:38:09,580 --> 00:38:09,660 Sure. 586 00:38:10,760 --> 00:38:18,320 Recently, TSD received a letter from the Ventura County Grand Jury and then the letter 587 00:38:18,320 --> 00:38:22,120 included a report titled, Independent Special Districts. 588 00:38:22,120 --> 00:38:34,380 The report identified TSD's need to review and respond to a number of issues by August 8, 2018. 589 00:38:35,360 --> 00:38:43,960 The specific questions that the district is required to address include questions regarding our reserve policy, 590 00:38:44,680 --> 00:38:47,520 making that available to the public. 591 00:38:49,020 --> 00:38:58,840 The real focus of the report dealt with transparency and how we make our public aware of the need 592 00:38:58,840 --> 00:39:02,160 for reserve and what those reserves are earmarked for. 593 00:39:02,820 --> 00:39:09,840 And the last item that they wanted a response to dealt with, a website that included several 594 00:39:09,840 --> 00:39:14,160 key items including the reserve policy, et cetera. 595 00:39:14,160 --> 00:39:24,380 And staff has basically provided this item to your board tonight to allow you to provide input to us. 596 00:39:24,640 --> 00:39:31,560 We plan on bringing a response letter back to you folks in July at the next July board meeting. 597 00:39:33,660 --> 00:39:41,460 We need to basically agree or disagree with their, I guess, position, 598 00:39:42,480 --> 00:39:45,200 explain what our position is and why. 599 00:39:45,540 --> 00:39:48,120 We have actually responded to almost everything 600 00:39:48,120 --> 00:39:51,340 that they included in the letter to us. 601 00:39:52,200 --> 00:39:56,000 But that said, staff is seeking board input 602 00:39:56,720 --> 00:39:59,480 prior to our preparation of the response. 603 00:40:00,320 --> 00:40:03,120 And that pretty much concludes this item, Mr. Chair. 604 00:40:03,580 --> 00:40:03,880 Okay. 605 00:40:04,280 --> 00:40:04,960 Thank you. 606 00:40:05,060 --> 00:40:07,400 I'm going to open this up to the board for discussion. 607 00:40:07,980 --> 00:40:09,080 Let me make a comment. 608 00:40:09,820 --> 00:40:13,780 I've read the whole report and of course I used to be on the grand jury, so I don't know how they do this. 609 00:40:14,280 --> 00:40:19,620 But one thing, whoever you, in staff, you have, uh, drafting a response for us, 610 00:40:19,960 --> 00:40:25,960 go to the grand jury's website, uh, already Kayegas and Camarosa have responded. 611 00:40:26,160 --> 00:40:28,260 They have exactly the same questions that we do. 612 00:40:28,700 --> 00:40:31,980 And their response is on the grand jury's website at this point in time. 613 00:40:32,420 --> 00:40:36,360 And it would do well to take a look at those before you put together a draft for us. 614 00:40:37,380 --> 00:40:39,580 And it's a pretty straightforward stuff. 615 00:40:41,160 --> 00:40:44,580 We have all ready just for the board's information. 616 00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:50,760 We've already, a lot of the things that they identified in the recent past, we have all ready through us. 617 00:40:51,580 --> 00:40:55,040 So I don't think we're going to have any problems satisfying their initiative. 618 00:40:55,280 --> 00:40:57,160 But that is a good recommendation. 619 00:40:58,120 --> 00:41:01,500 And we certainly will look at that directly through them. 620 00:41:04,720 --> 00:41:07,760 Are there any of the recommendations that you feel are not immediate? 621 00:41:08,780 --> 00:41:10,420 At this point in time, no. 622 00:41:10,800 --> 00:41:11,140 I don't. 623 00:41:13,330 --> 00:41:25,470 One question I had that one of the findings was their expressed concern over the lack of elections, 624 00:41:26,290 --> 00:41:29,030 or lack of, I guess, candidates. 625 00:41:30,630 --> 00:41:33,490 Which is something I think that has been true for all specialists. 626 00:41:33,490 --> 00:41:41,170 Yeah, that just just to emphasize that that's not an issue that we have to respond to that that was 627 00:41:45,170 --> 00:41:51,290 So we don't have yeah, because I mean clearly that's something out of our control in fact as long as we're 628 00:41:52,230 --> 00:41:55,330 Advertising and promoting the other elections which we have been 629 00:41:55,330 --> 00:42:01,510 Yes, some district that do have to respond to go through the what they asked the whole bunch of districts listed 630 00:42:04,430 --> 00:42:13,390 Well, I would say that the filing period opens in July for the court seats on triumphant 631 00:42:13,390 --> 00:42:20,370 dinner up, which there are three, and I think that we should send out, Sandy should send 632 00:42:20,370 --> 00:42:25,810 out a press release that that is the case and just give the filing dates. 633 00:42:26,030 --> 00:42:29,810 I mean, especially since we're, I mean, we should do that anyway, but especially 634 00:42:29,810 --> 00:42:36,650 in light of them saying that we haven't had a competitive election since 2010, that would 635 00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:45,850 so to go to both the Acorn and the Thousand Oaks Acorn. And, you know, the star for that 636 00:42:45,850 --> 00:42:50,860 heck of it because they're not the paper they used to be. 637 00:42:52,240 --> 00:42:58,600 Okay, so we only need to respond to these conclusions for the list of number of staff 638 00:42:59,160 --> 00:43:03,700 2, 3, and 4, 2, 3, and 4, that's great. 639 00:43:04,440 --> 00:43:06,240 Well, and the other thing is just one more thing. 640 00:43:06,640 --> 00:43:09,680 We can even do this stuff or not this much though, huh? 641 00:43:10,960 --> 00:43:11,580 Are we too late? 642 00:43:11,660 --> 00:43:13,440 We're too late for the billing cycle and say, 643 00:43:13,740 --> 00:43:14,700 the election is coming up, 644 00:43:14,800 --> 00:43:16,340 if you're just in the running, blah, blah, blah. 645 00:43:16,560 --> 00:43:18,040 I think it's a good thing. 646 00:43:19,320 --> 00:43:21,040 I think that we could do that. 647 00:43:21,240 --> 00:43:24,300 I'm not sure where we set the billing cycle. 648 00:43:24,480 --> 00:43:25,660 Keep in mind that that would only, 649 00:43:25,660 --> 00:43:32,220 that would only provide information to our board members. 650 00:43:32,500 --> 00:43:33,540 I think that's a good idea. 651 00:43:35,680 --> 00:43:36,640 Other comments? 652 00:43:39,200 --> 00:43:40,940 Yeah, just in looking through these, 653 00:43:41,720 --> 00:43:44,860 I think we've really worked towards 654 00:43:46,660 --> 00:43:48,760 fulfilling most of what I guess the grand jury, 655 00:43:49,060 --> 00:43:51,020 I wasn't aware that they were doing this study, 656 00:43:51,120 --> 00:43:52,940 so it's kind of interesting that this came out. 657 00:43:52,940 --> 00:43:55,260 I know that the little Hoover Commission did a review. 658 00:43:56,040 --> 00:43:57,680 I don't know if that's what prompted this. 659 00:43:57,680 --> 00:43:59,360 Isn't this something they do on some frequency? 660 00:43:59,960 --> 00:44:00,660 I believe it is. 661 00:44:01,020 --> 00:44:03,880 Maybe Ray can speak to that. 662 00:44:04,580 --> 00:44:07,900 Well, the grand jury is a totally independent body, 663 00:44:07,980 --> 00:44:09,840 and they decide what they want to do by themselves. 664 00:44:10,340 --> 00:44:14,900 An awful lot of it is consumer complaints that come in. 665 00:44:15,180 --> 00:44:16,860 Some of it is just stuff they see in the news. 666 00:44:17,060 --> 00:44:18,260 You say, well, look into this. 667 00:44:18,260 --> 00:44:21,140 other, and you get one, the Will Hooper report, 668 00:44:21,940 --> 00:44:24,080 obviously stimulated a portion of this, 669 00:44:24,440 --> 00:44:27,060 because it really hit on the fact that there may be 670 00:44:27,060 --> 00:44:30,440 a hidden fortune in reserves throughout the 2,000 671 00:44:30,440 --> 00:44:31,800 special districts in the state. 672 00:44:32,720 --> 00:44:35,080 And I think that triggered them to start 673 00:44:35,080 --> 00:44:37,400 looking into what will be published for our reserves. 674 00:44:38,240 --> 00:44:41,700 So there's no question that was a key driver in that part. 675 00:44:42,740 --> 00:44:45,100 And I think everybody should also understand 676 00:44:45,100 --> 00:44:47,160 and the grand jury has no enforcement power. 677 00:44:47,860 --> 00:44:49,820 It's merely they put the publicity out 678 00:44:49,820 --> 00:44:50,980 what the responses are. 679 00:44:51,480 --> 00:44:52,700 You hope the public will respond 680 00:44:52,700 --> 00:44:53,880 if they don't like to respond. 681 00:44:55,710 --> 00:44:56,110 Thank you. 682 00:44:57,290 --> 00:44:59,970 All right, so you're not going to perform all day long. 683 00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:01,680 Motion on this particular decision. 684 00:45:02,500 --> 00:45:10,640 Yeah, comment, I think it's really good that, you know, we put our current policies on the website, 685 00:45:11,040 --> 00:45:18,080 because we have to be extensively discussed as, and so that just to be, you know, transparent and accountability. 686 00:45:19,100 --> 00:45:26,920 And I think the fact that we are taking a report in our sessions, that's probably, you know, a very important thing to be transparent 687 00:45:26,920 --> 00:45:28,840 for public accountability. 688 00:45:33,240 --> 00:45:35,600 Okay, so you look at that. 689 00:45:36,400 --> 00:45:39,180 I don't know if you've received the input that you wanted at this point, 690 00:45:39,820 --> 00:45:44,920 or anything more specific, other than the fact that we... 691 00:45:44,920 --> 00:45:49,800 I think, yes, I think we got the input we need 692 00:45:49,800 --> 00:45:53,440 and we'll be bringing back that graph for you folks to look at 693 00:45:53,440 --> 00:45:57,060 and hopefully it will meet with your liking. 694 00:45:57,060 --> 00:46:06,840 As I said earlier, in terms of our reserve policy and the supporting information, I think 695 00:46:06,840 --> 00:46:13,220 most of that was recently put on the website, so I think we've already kind of crossed 696 00:46:13,220 --> 00:46:13,880 that bridge. 697 00:46:17,040 --> 00:46:21,000 I think we're in very good shape, but I think we've already probably addressed. 698 00:46:21,000 --> 00:46:30,400 I think the report is behind the curve or maybe isn't as current as some of the recent improvements that we have made. 699 00:46:30,580 --> 00:46:35,190 I think that's probably the situation that we'll be in. 700 00:46:38,070 --> 00:46:42,270 Okay, so we'll move on to the next item at this point. 701 00:46:42,490 --> 00:46:42,830 Okay. 702 00:46:42,830 --> 00:46:42,910 Okay. 703 00:46:43,890 --> 00:46:45,330 Which is, I think, in a second. 704 00:46:45,930 --> 00:46:49,350 So, this is the discussion, I'm 13. 705 00:46:49,890 --> 00:46:52,850 Discussion of TST email account combined agency 706 00:46:53,210 --> 00:46:54,070 signature line. 707 00:46:56,180 --> 00:46:59,080 Up until recently, board members, 708 00:47:00,900 --> 00:47:02,400 and as you folks will recall, 709 00:47:02,860 --> 00:47:04,860 you know, with discussion with our legal counsel 710 00:47:05,540 --> 00:47:10,460 regarding your board having TST email addresses 711 00:47:10,460 --> 00:47:15,680 to protect you and your personal records from being part of a 712 00:47:16,860 --> 00:47:20,800 Freedom of Information Act or some kind of discovery process. 713 00:47:21,540 --> 00:47:29,060 Along with that, you know, there were a handful of staff and consultants 714 00:47:29,060 --> 00:47:32,580 that primarily worked for triumphal. 715 00:47:33,000 --> 00:47:37,260 They were given TSD email addresses as well. 716 00:47:37,260 --> 00:47:43,820 And the reason for that was to minimize the amount of confusion that our customers have 717 00:47:43,820 --> 00:47:48,600 because we have both Park Water Service, we have Triumpho Sanitation District and any 718 00:47:48,600 --> 00:47:52,500 throw on top of that, we have the Ventura Regional Sanitation District. 719 00:47:52,680 --> 00:47:56,940 So we thought that it was an opportunity to at least weed one of those. 720 00:47:58,980 --> 00:48:05,520 Subsequent to that, those email addresses were put in place and there was a determination 721 00:48:07,860 --> 00:48:18,340 that my staff and consultants having triumphal e-mail addresses that there was a potential 722 00:48:18,340 --> 00:48:26,960 issue with the VRSD's efforts to brand their agency and the confusion that the public 723 00:48:26,960 --> 00:48:33,120 may have in terms of VRSD's role in serving triumphal. 724 00:48:33,120 --> 00:48:39,260 So to that extent, there was a decision made to eliminate the 725 00:48:40,120 --> 00:48:45,920 pineapple e-mail addresses for the staff and consultants that I mentioned. 726 00:48:46,920 --> 00:48:53,760 In response to that, your board sent a letter to VRC 727 00:48:55,080 --> 00:48:59,140 basically voicing your concerns that those e-mail addresses have been 728 00:49:02,020 --> 00:49:08,420 And the reason that this item is on your agenda tonight is to provide your board an opportunity 729 00:49:08,420 --> 00:49:14,640 to talk about the current status of this issue and providing a direction you may have to staff. 730 00:49:16,460 --> 00:49:30,900 And in the packet we have a letter from Chris Tyson, dated June 4th, with a proposed go-forward, 731 00:49:31,080 --> 00:49:36,400 I guess, plan on how email addresses will be used, or at least signature lines. 732 00:49:37,580 --> 00:49:47,420 So as I understand it, what the proposal is here is to have the signature that BRST has 733 00:49:47,420 --> 00:49:54,020 indicated that they will not reinstate those TST email addresses for staff consultants, 734 00:49:54,020 --> 00:50:00,180 but they would provide a signature line that would be for both Tramful and BRST. 735 00:50:00,580 --> 00:50:01,460 That's my understanding. 736 00:50:02,540 --> 00:50:09,480 And the general manager from Brentwood right now is just, his right, you can certainly correct 737 00:50:10,180 --> 00:50:14,400 one of your questions for Chris on this perhaps. 738 00:50:14,920 --> 00:50:20,640 Well my feeling is if I recall in our budget meeting there were a number of employees, 739 00:50:21,260 --> 00:50:24,180 the RSD employees that are 100% dedicated to TSD. 740 00:50:24,500 --> 00:50:24,740 Correct. 741 00:50:25,120 --> 00:50:25,280 Correct. 742 00:50:25,280 --> 00:50:34,340 I think those individuals are TSD employees that are should be represented as TSD employees and not be RSD. 743 00:50:35,140 --> 00:50:38,940 If they're splitting their time, then I don't have a problem with that. 744 00:50:39,020 --> 00:50:43,940 But I think if they're 100% TSD, they need to have a TSD e-mail. 745 00:50:49,100 --> 00:50:51,100 I absolutely agree with James. 746 00:50:51,540 --> 00:50:58,000 We have an identity crisis that I think is pretty severe because we have triumphal sanitation district. 747 00:50:58,000 --> 00:51:00,260 because UCL Mark, we have the JPA, 748 00:51:00,680 --> 00:51:02,280 we're working with Los Virginas, 749 00:51:02,860 --> 00:51:05,680 we have Oak Park Water Service, 750 00:51:06,280 --> 00:51:07,640 and it gets a little much, 751 00:51:07,760 --> 00:51:10,260 and then you throw VRSD as our contractor. 752 00:51:10,980 --> 00:51:17,300 So I am totally against having combined signature block 753 00:51:17,780 --> 00:51:19,960 that will confuse our customers more. 754 00:51:20,440 --> 00:51:23,560 I don't understand why it was even suggested. 755 00:51:24,300 --> 00:51:27,500 I don't, it does not serve triumphal well. 756 00:51:27,500 --> 00:51:35,760 it's going to confuse our customers more. So I don't get it and I totally against 757 00:51:35,760 --> 00:51:43,100 it and want the triumphal, the TriumphalSanitation.com email reinstated for 758 00:51:43,100 --> 00:51:49,940 100%ers. I absolutely agree with that as well. We've got to do everything to be 759 00:51:49,940 --> 00:51:56,580 triumphal and we are paying you people to be triumphal, not the fact that you 760 00:51:56,580 --> 00:52:01,780 have a parent in BSRD but those people who are charging us are in fact 761 00:52:01,780 --> 00:52:06,900 triumphant. I hope they see that every day in their day in and a day out job and I 762 00:52:06,900 --> 00:52:10,720 think that should be reflected in how you can hold them through your email 763 00:52:10,720 --> 00:52:16,820 account etc. Yeah I mean in this day and age where it's very easy just to 764 00:52:16,820 --> 00:52:20,260 forward an email to like a parent email account. 765 00:52:22,400 --> 00:52:24,680 I don't see that it would be 766 00:52:24,680 --> 00:52:29,420 that difficult to manage but Chris do you have any comments or more additional 767 00:52:29,420 --> 00:52:34,460 feedback on this I mean this is we've got your position letter on this parent 768 00:52:34,460 --> 00:52:38,280 you know it's apparent that the board feels strongly that particularly those 769 00:52:38,280 --> 00:52:45,040 that are dedicated to TSD you know that should have a TSD email address I don't 770 00:52:45,040 --> 00:52:50,520 know whether that in the past does that email address forward to a VRSD email 771 00:52:50,520 --> 00:52:52,940 for access, or how did that work? 772 00:52:53,320 --> 00:52:54,020 I don't know, I don't know. 773 00:52:54,140 --> 00:52:56,700 In other words, I have a bunch of email addresses, 774 00:52:56,820 --> 00:53:00,420 but I tend to consolidate them into a master account, 775 00:53:00,480 --> 00:53:02,620 or I might have one of the forwards to another account 776 00:53:02,620 --> 00:53:04,880 so that I see them, so I don't have to have, 777 00:53:05,940 --> 00:53:07,340 actually, now it doesn't matter, 778 00:53:07,380 --> 00:53:09,380 because you can have, like, your phone, 779 00:53:09,740 --> 00:53:12,260 they all list, and they all kind of just list 780 00:53:12,260 --> 00:53:13,780 in all the different emails, 781 00:53:13,840 --> 00:53:14,800 but when you respond back, 782 00:53:15,260 --> 00:53:17,800 you respond back with whatever entity that's, 783 00:53:17,800 --> 00:53:19,100 you know, it's triumfo, 784 00:53:19,100 --> 00:53:21,080 respond back to the triumphal e-mail. 785 00:53:24,520 --> 00:53:26,280 Sandy, do you have anything on this? 786 00:53:26,380 --> 00:53:27,920 Because I know you manage the e-mail. 787 00:53:28,640 --> 00:53:31,040 Yeah, essentially there are two separate servers. 788 00:53:31,380 --> 00:53:34,960 Ventura Regional Sanitation District has its own Microsoft Exchange server 789 00:53:34,960 --> 00:53:41,560 and the triumphalsanitation.com e-mails are managed and housed 790 00:53:41,560 --> 00:53:45,500 by the same agency that serves your website. 791 00:53:45,500 --> 00:53:49,860 So, they were not forwarded to a VRSD address. 792 00:53:50,300 --> 00:53:58,740 We simply had to, each individual's PC had to be set up to receive both, and, um... 793 00:53:58,740 --> 00:54:00,860 If they responded back, it was a TST matter? 794 00:54:02,280 --> 00:54:02,960 Correct. 795 00:54:03,600 --> 00:54:08,160 And the only training that had to take place was when somebody was originating an email 796 00:54:08,160 --> 00:54:14,520 from triumfo, it required a separate click to make sure they were in that account as 797 00:54:14,520 --> 00:54:20,640 opposed to sending from there. Because that's what we do now. I have, like I said, 798 00:54:20,820 --> 00:54:24,440 several different emails, and if I'm doing triumfo now, I make sure that I send 799 00:54:24,440 --> 00:54:28,940 the email from my triumfo account. That's the return email. I don't really 800 00:54:28,940 --> 00:54:35,840 understand why you couldn't do that, Chris. I'm prepared to address this, but I guess, you know, 801 00:54:35,840 --> 00:54:40,180 other than short of us, again, making informal requests for this, 802 00:54:40,460 --> 00:54:43,970 we are going with this particular issue. 803 00:54:44,590 --> 00:54:48,610 I mean, clearly the trample board is 804 00:54:48,610 --> 00:54:53,430 strongly against the elimination of that email 805 00:54:54,270 --> 00:54:56,150 with those individuals that are dedicated. 806 00:54:57,130 --> 00:54:58,790 We'd like to see that reinstated. 807 00:54:59,050 --> 00:55:00,270 I mean, that's the position of the board. 808 00:55:00,430 --> 00:55:01,650 It's been the position of the board. 809 00:55:01,990 --> 00:55:03,170 Yeah, Chris, could you comment? 810 00:55:04,090 --> 00:55:04,430 Yes. 811 00:55:08,670 --> 00:55:09,830 First of all, 812 00:55:11,890 --> 00:55:20,150 I just want to make sure that it's well known that there was a plethora 813 00:55:20,150 --> 00:55:28,350 of reasons for my decision in this matter, and they are not all specifically articulated 814 00:55:28,350 --> 00:55:34,590 in either the letters or in any correspondence that I've had, and in fact I have to remain 815 00:55:34,590 --> 00:55:42,050 that way because some of them I think are attorney-client privileged and with that 816 00:55:42,050 --> 00:55:50,050 in mind what I would suggest I I totally hear what you're saying and what I 817 00:55:50,050 --> 00:55:58,210 would suggest is that let's try this process that I described and then if 818 00:55:58,210 --> 00:56:02,290 that doesn't work we can talk about something else but at this point I'm 819 00:56:02,290 --> 00:56:06,010 absolutely, positively, not in a position 820 00:56:06,010 --> 00:56:08,950 to reverse my stance as in the last letter. 821 00:56:09,350 --> 00:56:10,790 So what I would say is this, 822 00:56:11,310 --> 00:56:14,350 let's please try the process that I've described. 823 00:56:15,090 --> 00:56:17,730 I think you'll be pleasantly surprised with it. 824 00:56:17,770 --> 00:56:20,990 I think we can do it, so it'll work for you. 825 00:56:22,430 --> 00:56:27,540 But absent that, I'm not in a position 826 00:56:27,540 --> 00:56:28,920 to reverse my decision. 827 00:56:29,480 --> 00:56:34,000 And so the only alternative I could suggest to you, 828 00:56:34,000 --> 00:56:40,040 is if you go and speak to the the RISD board and ask them to overrule me and at 829 00:56:40,040 --> 00:56:46,200 this point I why don't we try the process try the interaction process and see 830 00:56:46,200 --> 00:56:50,240 if we can come up with something but absolutely no I'm not my own court I 831 00:56:50,240 --> 00:56:58,380 won't reverse my position you know mr. Tyson I get the impression over and 832 00:56:58,380 --> 00:57:05,240 over and over that you do not hear us. When we ask for something it is usually 833 00:57:05,240 --> 00:57:14,640 denied or delayed or something not answered in a timely manner and here you 834 00:57:14,640 --> 00:57:24,040 have heard four board members not wanting this combined signature block and you 835 00:57:24,040 --> 00:57:30,060 want to go us to go ahead and try it anyway and you know if you won't give us a 836 00:57:30,060 --> 00:57:37,780 TSD.com email very good we'll go back to the way we were but it seems to me 837 00:57:37,780 --> 00:57:46,400 that this is just one more thing since the middle of March that is like stuff 838 00:57:46,400 --> 00:57:52,140 we're having to deal with that take us away from our main focus I'm so if it 839 00:57:52,140 --> 00:57:56,820 takes a motion from us to say no combined signature block. 840 00:57:57,280 --> 00:57:59,700 We just, if we're triumfo, we're triumfo, 841 00:57:59,880 --> 00:58:02,220 then I make the motion that, 842 00:58:03,060 --> 00:58:05,580 I mean, I guess I don't have to, because... 843 00:58:05,580 --> 00:58:07,460 Well, let me have, I'm doing that now. 844 00:58:07,840 --> 00:58:09,700 And I actually asked council on this 845 00:58:09,700 --> 00:58:12,400 because it's been suggested to Chris 846 00:58:12,400 --> 00:58:16,540 that there is a legal requirement here 847 00:58:16,540 --> 00:58:17,980 that we are not privy to. 848 00:58:17,980 --> 00:58:24,040 and I if there is some additional information without breaching attorney 849 00:58:24,040 --> 00:58:29,440 client privilege that could tell us or satisfy us or why this is unreasonable 850 00:58:29,440 --> 00:58:33,360 I mean I'm not we're not getting any specifics I don't know from our council 851 00:58:33,360 --> 00:58:39,940 whether you would have any input on this. The only thing I know about this is 852 00:58:39,940 --> 00:58:44,680 when I think it was back in August of last year Sandy you and I had a 853 00:58:44,680 --> 00:58:49,800 discussion about the Senate's a case and I was pretty straightforward on that 854 00:58:49,800 --> 00:58:54,440 saying that I didn't want to I thought it was not in the best interest of the 855 00:58:54,440 --> 00:59:01,520 board not to have board members you all not to have triumphal emails and the 856 00:59:01,520 --> 00:59:06,380 reason being behind that is that if you start using your personal emails for 857 00:59:06,380 --> 00:59:10,780 things it's going to subject to you like in that case where your emails are 858 00:59:10,780 --> 00:59:15,240 subject to the public scrutiny and in fact where you might actually have your 859 00:59:15,240 --> 00:59:19,960 cell phone taken from you. I have not been involved in the rest of this. I don't 860 00:59:19,960 --> 00:59:24,300 think it's, you know, I don't know it's unreasonable to ask if there are legal 861 00:59:24,780 --> 00:59:28,060 reasons. I have not looked at those. I haven't been asked to look at those as 862 00:59:28,060 --> 00:59:36,430 to why BRST can't do this. I would disagree with you that although they 863 00:59:36,430 --> 00:59:42,790 may be dedicated to you. They're not really your employees. I mean that, you know, I mean 864 00:59:42,790 --> 00:59:47,190 I feel good, but that's the truth. And there may be some reason, little reason, but I'm 865 00:59:47,190 --> 00:59:53,170 not aware of it. I haven't looked at it. I would just ask it. It appears that there 866 00:59:53,170 --> 00:59:57,870 is a reason that you feel you can't tell us. Is there some way that we can find 867 00:59:57,870 --> 00:59:59,970 out what this reason is so you can read it? 868 01:00:01,510 --> 01:00:09,590 In order for me to articulate further than what I have so far in writing, I'll have to do 869 01:00:09,590 --> 01:00:18,510 some legwork on my side to see if that's possible. And I can promise to do that here tonight. But 870 01:00:19,110 --> 01:00:24,170 right now I'm not sure I can disclose these things, this other information. So I can't, 871 01:00:24,550 --> 01:00:28,790 I absolutely can't do it tonight, but I would have to check with my council to see if I 872 01:00:28,790 --> 01:00:30,670 I can do it in the near future. 873 01:00:31,630 --> 01:00:33,690 I know one would like to understand. 874 01:00:34,110 --> 01:00:35,930 I mean, if there is a legitimate reason for it, 875 01:00:36,010 --> 01:00:37,830 but this doesn't sit well. 876 01:00:39,050 --> 01:00:42,090 So at this point, do we want to do the dole 877 01:00:42,090 --> 01:00:44,470 or do we want to just continue what we're doing now 878 01:00:44,970 --> 01:00:46,510 pending maybe a further explanation? 879 01:00:46,970 --> 01:00:47,150 No. 880 01:00:48,170 --> 01:00:50,530 I move that we keep our own signature block, 881 01:00:50,710 --> 01:00:52,090 Tri-Ample Sanitation District, 882 01:00:52,330 --> 01:00:54,570 and do not have combined block of BRSD. 883 01:00:55,150 --> 01:00:56,370 It is not in our best interest. 884 01:01:08,420 --> 01:01:13,680 Can you share the essence I work for the county and we manage the whole water districts 885 01:01:13,680 --> 01:01:21,040 and seven wastewater districts and a lot of our official letters, correspondence, we have 886 01:01:21,040 --> 01:01:27,540 to kind of be put in those special districts shoes so to speak and then actually the stationaries 887 01:01:27,540 --> 01:01:32,920 you know all have to be in say from District 1, District 17, District 19 888 01:01:32,920 --> 01:01:37,900 specifically so it would not be safe you know we're providing the service for 889 01:01:37,900 --> 01:01:42,800 this district and it will all be in the county's name so that that will be you 890 01:01:42,800 --> 01:01:47,420 know true for all legal matters and subject to approval by the board of 891 01:01:47,420 --> 01:01:52,320 supervisors the same thing that you know the VRST did some service for 892 01:01:52,320 --> 01:01:54,780 CSA 29 in the North Shore area, 893 01:01:55,280 --> 01:01:59,940 BRST would never appear in any of the official correspondence 894 01:01:59,940 --> 01:02:04,500 or emails for any business transaction 895 01:02:04,500 --> 01:02:07,000 or correspondence in that matter. 896 01:02:07,360 --> 01:02:13,920 So for just based on that, I question that TSD, 897 01:02:14,500 --> 01:02:17,860 that seems like BRST is representing everything 898 01:02:17,860 --> 01:02:20,560 that's a TSD matter, 899 01:02:20,560 --> 01:02:24,240 whereas it should really put TSD in the forefront. 900 01:02:25,560 --> 01:02:29,780 And it would not be unreasonable to say that the RSC should really not be 901 01:02:29,780 --> 01:02:35,240 appeared in any of these correspondence, you know, for TSD matter. 902 01:02:36,460 --> 01:02:38,100 So, that's my point. 903 01:02:38,100 --> 01:02:42,180 I mean, short of, again, requesting a formal request for this, 904 01:02:42,400 --> 01:02:47,100 understanding this emotion, we can't compel them to do that. 905 01:02:47,240 --> 01:02:49,140 We can request that they do that. 906 01:02:49,140 --> 01:02:49,820 I don't know. 907 01:02:50,020 --> 01:02:52,000 Well, that's a separate thing, isn't it? 908 01:02:52,660 --> 01:02:53,120 Right. 909 01:02:53,560 --> 01:02:54,120 Well, right. 910 01:02:54,280 --> 01:02:57,880 But when they were responding back, right now, how do they respond back? 911 01:02:58,240 --> 01:03:00,540 Do they respond back from, is VRSD now? 912 01:03:01,380 --> 01:03:01,640 Or what? 913 01:03:01,980 --> 01:03:02,680 You mean the customers? 914 01:03:03,100 --> 01:03:03,260 Yeah. 915 01:03:03,400 --> 01:03:06,060 I mean, I hear you're proposing doing a dual signature blog. 916 01:03:06,280 --> 01:03:07,280 How is it being done now? 917 01:03:08,400 --> 01:03:11,800 Right now, I think it's a VRSD email. 918 01:03:12,500 --> 01:03:13,760 Like it has been always. 919 01:03:13,760 --> 01:03:18,000 when they sign it, it's coming from VRSD. 920 01:03:18,800 --> 01:03:29,760 Most of the staff uses a combined several agency signature block array. 921 01:03:30,360 --> 01:03:36,140 The one not unlike in theory what I was proposing, 922 01:03:36,640 --> 01:03:42,800 but I was proposing to enhance it and make it much more palatable to the TSD board. 923 01:03:43,940 --> 01:03:49,620 Because what most of the staff does is they list all the agencies that they're working for at the time. 924 01:03:50,920 --> 01:03:51,960 You might understand. 925 01:03:53,280 --> 01:03:54,980 Yeah, thank you. 926 01:03:55,620 --> 01:03:57,780 So, I'm going to make sure I understand. 927 01:03:57,920 --> 01:03:59,980 I'd like to ask General Manager P. 928 01:04:00,700 --> 01:04:10,020 The way I understand it is that we can send a letter on your stationery 929 01:04:10,020 --> 01:04:14,380 and we can sign it saying it's coming from triumphant. 930 01:04:15,540 --> 01:04:22,720 The issue is the e-mail address that shows up to the receiving in says the Ventura regional sanitation district. 931 01:04:23,280 --> 01:04:25,500 Just to kind of clarify that. 932 01:04:27,900 --> 01:04:28,840 Sandy, my director. 933 01:04:29,460 --> 01:04:33,340 You are correct. With one exception, there is a general e-mail address, 934 01:04:33,340 --> 01:04:41,580 TSD at trianthosanitation.com. That's used for emails that come to us via the 935 01:04:41,580 --> 01:04:49,760 contact us section of your website. So when those are responded to the recipient 936 01:04:49,760 --> 01:05:01,820 gets a TSD at trianthosanitation.com. So I'm not quite sure, I understand your 937 01:05:01,820 --> 01:05:08,280 motion. Your motion is to reject the idea of doing dual and doing TSD. Yeah, I'm just, 938 01:05:08,700 --> 01:05:13,320 at this point, I mean, I'd like to get a little further information about, you know, 939 01:05:13,360 --> 01:05:18,180 to help clarify, because I, if there's a legal issue here, I mean, I think it's 940 01:05:18,180 --> 01:05:26,840 important for us to look at that. I'll give you some advice that he's getting. 941 01:05:29,620 --> 01:05:50,520 So, what I'd like to do is I'd like to do some more research on my side and I think I'd be in a position to come in and give you more information if I'd be able to do that and have this discussion and then perhaps it'll be more fruitful if we actually know what we're talking about here. 942 01:05:51,660 --> 01:05:55,620 Because admittedly I really don't feel comfortable saying anything more right now, 943 01:05:55,700 --> 01:06:00,980 but I hope to get that that that veil of secrecy removed in so much as it is possible. 944 01:06:02,000 --> 01:06:06,180 And Chris, since we had so much talk on the budget and how much you're billing us, 945 01:06:06,560 --> 01:06:12,180 are you billing us for all the hours to come here and sit to the meeting and return to Ventura? 946 01:06:12,560 --> 01:06:15,080 Or is this billing? 947 01:06:21,980 --> 01:06:27,440 I have no problem to answer it. At this point, I have not done that. 948 01:06:27,980 --> 01:06:37,760 Thank you. Okay, so we have no action on this at this point, other than having to come back. 949 01:06:40,400 --> 01:06:49,520 Okay, so in that case, we were going to, and we, we tabled item 14, so we are now item 15, 950 01:06:50,760 --> 01:06:54,360 discussions into our regional sanitation district cost application methodology. 951 01:06:54,780 --> 01:06:55,880 I think it's a standing item. 952 01:06:56,300 --> 01:06:57,720 That's a standing item, Mr. Chair. 953 01:06:57,860 --> 01:06:59,820 I don't believe there's anything legal to report on that. 954 01:06:59,820 --> 01:07:09,780 Yeah, the VRST Personnel and Finance Committee did not meet this last month because of the holiday. 955 01:07:10,600 --> 01:07:12,280 A holiday, was it immortal there or something? 956 01:07:12,720 --> 01:07:18,560 It was, to be honest with you, it was more, it was more reason of... 957 01:07:18,560 --> 01:07:19,040 Oh yeah, no. 958 01:07:19,240 --> 01:07:20,960 We're overloaded with no writing budget. 959 01:07:21,220 --> 01:07:23,100 More like we couldn't really get ready for it. 960 01:07:23,280 --> 01:07:23,460 Okay. 961 01:07:23,720 --> 01:07:28,000 So there's been no further action or reports from the last time we discussed this. 962 01:07:28,000 --> 01:07:33,480 So, let's move on then to item, yeah, but I don't want to call them. 963 01:07:33,560 --> 01:07:37,660 If I could, Chair Paul, could I make a statement about this item before you launch it? 964 01:07:38,380 --> 01:07:45,160 I just want to let the TSD board know in particular the committee of, I think it's 965 01:07:46,060 --> 01:07:51,340 Chair Paul and Vice Chair Orkney who attend these meetings. At this point, the meeting 966 01:07:51,340 --> 01:07:59,040 for July. We have a PNF on the 3rd, we have the Independence Day on the 4th and then we 967 01:07:59,040 --> 01:08:05,100 have a board meeting on the 5th. And at our last board meeting this was discussed among 968 01:08:05,100 --> 01:08:08,820 the board members and they actually cancelled all the meetings that week. So the reason 969 01:08:08,820 --> 01:08:14,840 I want to bring that up is in terms of what your feeling is on it because if we 970 01:08:14,840 --> 01:08:18,900 just cancel it and don't do anything until the next meeting, the next meeting would 971 01:08:18,900 --> 01:08:24,940 be at the beginning of August, first Tuesday in August. If you desire, we can try to call 972 01:08:24,940 --> 01:08:29,200 a special meeting before then. And I just wanted to get your feedback on that. Or at least 973 01:08:29,200 --> 01:08:33,840 at the minimum form you have it, maybe discuss it, maybe let me know, or you know. 974 01:08:33,960 --> 01:08:39,520 Well, at this point, I mean, we're waiting for further suggestions and information to 975 01:08:39,520 --> 01:08:44,580 come back from you, I guess, as the next step from as far as what you're going to 976 01:08:44,580 --> 01:08:49,040 recommend that to the board of the scenarios based on the end board. So, I mean, we'd like 977 01:08:49,040 --> 01:08:55,840 to move this along, obviously, to try to put this to conclusion, but, you know, if there's, 978 01:08:55,880 --> 01:09:00,020 I understand with the holidays, it's tough and we do need participation of the committee, 979 01:09:00,120 --> 01:09:04,800 so I think, I don't know, Jenna, how do you feel about it? I think we just, we'll 980 01:09:04,800 --> 01:09:11,280 put it over the next schedule in the end. Okay, thank you. Okay, let's take a quick 981 01:09:11,280 --> 01:09:12,780 right here doing a break. 982 01:09:18,220 --> 01:09:24,740 We're going to reconvene the meeting and move on to item 16 discussion 983 01:09:24,740 --> 01:09:29,640 and action regarding extension of agreement for consulting services between Viterra Regional 984 01:09:29,640 --> 01:09:35,580 Sanitation District and Mark S. Norris Consulting LLC and General Manager Services for Toronto 985 01:09:35,580 --> 01:09:41,520 Sanitation District. And for the record, we might mention that we're being joined 986 01:09:41,520 --> 01:09:46,320 by Rick Vowles, who's special counsel to TSDS on this contract. 987 01:09:46,660 --> 01:09:50,820 Yeah, Rick, and just John Matthews indicated that Rick Vowles 988 01:09:50,820 --> 01:09:55,200 is an outside attorney for Triumpho, 989 01:09:55,300 --> 01:09:57,920 is joining us via teleconference. 990 01:09:58,860 --> 01:10:01,240 Just ask everyone to speak as loudly as possible. 991 01:10:02,620 --> 01:10:03,740 It's a long way to Santa Barbara. 992 01:10:07,560 --> 01:10:09,120 And Rick, you can hear us OK, right? 993 01:10:10,910 --> 01:10:11,490 I might, yeah. 994 01:10:11,790 --> 01:10:12,370 OK, perfect. 995 01:10:12,370 --> 01:10:19,510 All right, so I think maybe to start out, Mark, was there anything that you, background, 996 01:10:19,670 --> 01:10:21,710 you wanted to do? You want me to just... 997 01:10:21,710 --> 01:10:28,450 I can kind of give at least my perspective on the events leading up to the discussion 998 01:10:28,450 --> 01:10:32,090 we're going to have tonight, but I certainly don't want to steal your phone. 999 01:10:32,130 --> 01:10:36,130 No, no, no, we'll go ahead and have Mark, but are you able to hear Mark, Brad? 1000 01:10:37,150 --> 01:10:39,850 Just barely. Maybe he can hold the phone here. 1001 01:10:41,670 --> 01:10:43,130 Okay, we'll just hand the phone to her. 1002 01:10:44,130 --> 01:10:44,930 That's the phone here. 1003 01:10:45,050 --> 01:10:45,450 That's the phone. 1004 01:10:45,610 --> 01:10:46,130 Don't drop it. 1005 01:10:47,450 --> 01:10:48,450 We're so hijacked. 1006 01:10:48,550 --> 01:10:49,690 Can you hear me now, Rick? 1007 01:10:50,350 --> 01:10:51,110 Yes, I can hear you. 1008 01:10:51,190 --> 01:10:51,370 Okay. 1009 01:10:54,110 --> 01:11:00,710 This item tonight was precipitated on a recent request from the 1010 01:11:00,710 --> 01:11:05,410 Victor Regional Sanitation District to amend my consulting services 1011 01:11:05,410 --> 01:11:10,410 agreement with them to include at least in my opinion some additional language 1012 01:11:10,410 --> 01:11:16,650 which I viewed as potentially being more restrictive in how I dealt with the 1013 01:11:16,650 --> 01:11:22,890 triumphal sanitation district. I brought that to the attention of the triumphal 1014 01:11:22,890 --> 01:11:31,390 board members and on May 21st the triumphal sanitation district board 1015 01:11:31,390 --> 01:11:38,830 authorized Chair Hall and Vice Chair Orkney to solicit the services of 1016 01:11:38,830 --> 01:11:46,950 outside legal counsel to review the TSD slash BRSD contract as well as my 1017 01:11:46,950 --> 01:11:53,750 consulting agreement to ensure or to at least address some of the perceived 1018 01:11:53,750 --> 01:12:00,450 potential conflicts of interest that existed. To that end the board authorized 1019 01:12:03,280 --> 01:12:11,100 The ad hoc committee for lack of a better description to hire you, Rick, and subsequent to that, 1020 01:12:12,040 --> 01:12:19,540 Chair Paul sent a letter to General Manager Tyson, the Ventura Regional Sanitation District, GM, 1021 01:12:20,360 --> 01:12:25,860 requesting a three-month extension on my current contract under the same terms 1022 01:12:26,580 --> 01:12:33,940 to allow trial flow to research the potential issues and to come to some 1023 01:12:33,940 --> 01:12:38,480 conclusion on how they wanted to move forward. And that's a real brief kind of 1024 01:12:38,480 --> 01:12:43,620 an overview of how I think we got to where we are tonight. With that, Mr. Chair, I'll turn it back to you. 1025 01:12:43,740 --> 01:12:47,640 Okay, thank you. I'll just get the phone back here. Okay, 1026 01:12:56,280 --> 01:12:58,100 so I'm just going to add a little bit to this. 1027 01:12:58,100 --> 01:12:59,080 Thank you, Mark. 1028 01:12:59,320 --> 01:13:06,300 So after the letter, we did engage services of Rick Bell. 1029 01:13:07,160 --> 01:13:10,040 And we've had Janet working and I. 1030 01:13:11,320 --> 01:13:14,980 And it had initially a conference call with Rick, 1031 01:13:15,080 --> 01:13:17,460 or an extensive one, to go over all the agreements, 1032 01:13:17,800 --> 01:13:22,980 the VRST, TST agreement, the original agreement, 1033 01:13:23,520 --> 01:13:26,900 current agreement that Mark Norris is operating under 1034 01:13:26,900 --> 01:13:27,940 and the proposed amendment. 1035 01:13:29,300 --> 01:13:33,520 And we had a couple of conference calls and discussion on that. 1036 01:13:33,660 --> 01:13:36,380 Then subsequent to that, we had actually had Mark in on the call. 1037 01:13:37,220 --> 01:13:44,280 During this period of time also, I had a couple of conversations at least with a GM, Chris Tyson at VRSD. 1038 01:13:45,880 --> 01:13:50,920 To try to summarize this, and then bring Rick in on this, 1039 01:13:52,550 --> 01:13:59,190 Initially, when we asked for the three months, we ran into a potential time issue with Chris 1040 01:13:59,190 --> 01:14:07,410 in that there was a board packet going out and Chris indicated that he was unable to request 1041 01:14:07,410 --> 01:14:14,290 a three-month extension, but he did subsequently send us a letter essentially saying that after 1042 01:14:14,290 --> 01:14:23,330 further review of the amendment proposed amendment that it would that he was willing to do the 1043 01:14:23,330 --> 01:14:29,610 one-year extension which is what has been done in the past on your contract and what 1044 01:14:29,610 --> 01:14:36,570 I understand Mark one-year extension under the same terms and conditions but where we 1045 01:14:36,570 --> 01:14:41,290 are right now is we have some discussions with Rick battles about some concerns about 1046 01:14:41,290 --> 01:14:46,510 the BRST TST agreement and Mark's original agreement and it opened up some 1047 01:14:46,510 --> 01:14:52,510 issues that we wanted to discuss and the reason that we wanted to do a three-month 1048 01:14:52,510 --> 01:14:58,890 extension is that these issues take some time to research and we felt that with 1049 01:14:58,890 --> 01:14:59,850 marks expiring. 1050 01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:05,000 We have a contract on June 30th. We were running out of time to come up with a solution on this. 1051 01:15:07,380 --> 01:15:15,600 So here we are, the 25th of June, and trying to kind of try to get us all on the same page, 1052 01:15:15,800 --> 01:15:22,980 essentially with VRSD and TSD as to what our next steps should be to try to come up with 1053 01:15:22,980 --> 01:15:29,000 a solution where Mark obviously continues on to provide his services, but their services are done. 1054 01:15:29,000 --> 01:15:34,280 And so in a way that is consistent with good practice. 1055 01:15:35,900 --> 01:15:39,680 And to maybe take a look at some potential changes 1056 01:15:39,680 --> 01:15:42,140 that we might need to make in some of these agreements 1057 01:15:42,140 --> 01:15:44,600 so that we don't have potential problems. 1058 01:15:44,840 --> 01:15:47,420 So with that, you might have had more to add, Jenna, 1059 01:15:47,540 --> 01:15:48,880 but I'd like to turn this over to Rick. 1060 01:15:49,100 --> 01:15:51,160 And Rick, if you could maybe give a little bit more 1061 01:15:51,160 --> 01:15:53,840 background as to some of the review issues 1062 01:15:53,840 --> 01:15:56,780 that you see that we need to consider as a board. 1063 01:15:58,540 --> 01:16:09,160 Okay, I'm happy to do that. I might add to the summary that's already been provided. The fact that we did get, I think the suspension that we did get a revised version is 1064 01:16:11,430 --> 01:16:13,470 not included in the provision of that. 1065 01:16:13,470 --> 01:16:14,170 Mrs. 1066 01:21:55,660 --> 01:22:03,180 Janna, would you like to comment on anything in the contract between Ventura Regional and 1067 01:24:00,740 --> 01:24:07,720 whether we reaffirm our request that this be extended for three months while we 1068 01:24:07,720 --> 01:24:13,440 potentially have to clean up or resolve some of the potential conflicts that I think 1069 01:24:13,440 --> 01:24:19,680 you just articulated and because of the timing on this we were most concerned about this 1070 01:24:19,680 --> 01:24:24,280 contract expiring and what other options that we might have. 1071 01:24:25,120 --> 01:24:35,300 So my understanding is from the RISD standpoint is that if we request a three-month extension, 1072 01:24:35,460 --> 01:24:39,820 which is what we did before in the letter that I sent out on behalf of TSC's board, 1073 01:24:40,460 --> 01:24:43,180 which to me was sufficiently broad. 1074 01:24:43,600 --> 01:24:45,460 It wasn't just the proposed new language. 1075 01:24:45,460 --> 01:24:48,640 which was basically the agreement and its implications 1076 01:24:48,640 --> 01:24:54,520 with the BRST, TST agreement that the BRST Board consider 1077 01:24:54,520 --> 01:24:57,640 that request and act on that request now, I guess, 1078 01:24:57,800 --> 01:25:01,280 in special session, which is my understanding Thursday? 1079 01:25:01,660 --> 01:25:01,880 Thursday. 1080 01:25:02,380 --> 01:25:02,660 Okay. 1081 01:25:03,180 --> 01:25:03,760 Thursday morning? 1082 01:25:04,080 --> 01:25:05,640 Thursday morning at 8.30. 1083 01:25:05,880 --> 01:25:06,280 8.30. 1084 01:25:06,580 --> 01:25:06,780 Okay. 1085 01:25:06,960 --> 01:25:07,960 Thursday morning, 8.30. 1086 01:25:09,180 --> 01:25:13,240 If that is granted, then we have an opportunity 1087 01:25:13,240 --> 01:25:19,640 hopefully to resolve some of these issues. If it is not granted, then Mark's services would 1088 01:25:19,640 --> 01:25:26,040 expire on June 30th, and then we would, I think, having to look at some kind of special 1089 01:25:26,040 --> 01:25:33,340 meeting session to consider what our options would be at that point. So we don't have a lot 1090 01:25:33,340 --> 01:25:38,540 of time to act on this. So I think tonight, and we did have a closed session item, which we 1091 01:25:38,540 --> 01:25:42,340 It depended on the outcome of our discussions and vote here, 1092 01:25:42,380 --> 01:25:44,080 which may or may not be necessary. 1093 01:25:44,820 --> 01:25:51,680 But what's before us right now is a guess at the request of Chris 1094 01:25:51,680 --> 01:25:56,320 Tyson to do a formal request for a 90-day extension. 1095 01:25:57,020 --> 01:26:00,120 And it seems in the late last correspondence in my conference 1096 01:26:00,120 --> 01:26:05,440 call with Chris that he would be supportive at this point 1097 01:26:05,440 --> 01:26:10,240 given a 90-day extension to try to resolve some of these pressing issues that 1098 01:26:10,240 --> 01:26:14,860 seem to have popped up now once we've actually taken a close look at these 1099 01:26:14,860 --> 01:26:19,120 contracts. And the reason is is that we just don't want to have two different 1100 01:26:19,120 --> 01:26:23,060 contracts that are conflicting with one another. We need to be 1101 01:26:23,060 --> 01:26:29,320 consistent. Mark actually, or this BRST TST agreement was actually drafted 1102 01:26:29,320 --> 01:26:35,080 after, I believe, yeah, after the original LLC agreement or independent 1103 01:26:35,080 --> 01:26:40,420 contractor agreement between VRST and Mark Norris, right? Yeah, because it was like 1104 01:26:40,420 --> 01:26:45,300 three years ago, so years goes back five or six years. The current contract? Yeah. 1105 01:26:45,640 --> 01:26:50,800 The current contract, I think this is the first year of five-year term? Yes. 1106 01:26:51,100 --> 01:26:55,700 I think the other one might have expired or something, because I don't know why we died. 1107 01:26:55,700 --> 01:27:04,300 I think I think the district has a policy of maximum of five years four four years and I think that I 1108 01:27:05,160 --> 01:27:12,700 Took that to the maximum allowable renewals and this more recent agreement that I had with various D 1109 01:27:12,700 --> 01:27:20,180 Was was approved about a year ago. One year ago. Yeah, June 15th. Okay, what's the language changed? 1110 01:27:20,920 --> 01:27:22,240 the language was 1111 01:27:23,080 --> 01:27:24,140 pretty much 1112 01:27:25,300 --> 01:27:32,360 identical to the original contract. The amendment wasn't proposed until this year. 1113 01:27:33,140 --> 01:27:43,120 I know the amendment notwithstanding the original agreement was pretty much the same in the new contract as in the original contract. 1114 01:27:43,120 --> 01:27:50,760 Okay. So what it comes down to at this point is that there is some potential conflicting 1115 01:27:50,760 --> 01:27:56,860 language between Mark's current agreement, even if it was extended and the BRST TST agreement 1116 01:27:56,860 --> 01:28:04,080 as Rick has indicated. And so we want to have the opportunity of working with BRST and 1117 01:28:04,080 --> 01:28:09,640 your council to try to resolve these issues so that we don't have any potential problem 1118 01:28:09,640 --> 01:28:12,660 the districts or mark as a consultant. 1119 01:28:13,340 --> 01:28:16,820 That's why we respectfully request this 90 day extension 1120 01:28:17,720 --> 01:28:20,260 in hopes that your board will go along with that. 1121 01:28:20,940 --> 01:28:23,520 Do I like to get some input from our other board members 1122 01:28:23,960 --> 01:28:26,600 at this point if you have any opinions on this? 1123 01:28:29,970 --> 01:28:31,410 Yes, thank you. 1124 01:28:32,110 --> 01:28:36,450 I think that one thing we have to realize 1125 01:28:36,450 --> 01:28:39,910 is while you negotiated this last agreement, 1126 01:28:39,910 --> 01:28:46,430 the TSD, VRSD agreement, you and Steve Iceland and two people from VRSD. 1127 01:28:47,370 --> 01:28:54,910 And I think that, well, I certainly was under the impression that one of the items that 1128 01:28:54,910 --> 01:29:07,710 Rick Battles mentioned, which was 2.1C that said that the general manager will disclose 1129 01:29:07,710 --> 01:29:14,550 to the TSB board, all known are suspected problems, issues, or concerns pertaining to any aspect 1130 01:29:14,550 --> 01:29:19,950 of the wastewater facilities or portable water facilities, including the adequacy of operation 1131 01:29:19,950 --> 01:29:27,970 and maintenance. Now, it was my impression that that was the guiding light so that we 1132 01:29:27,970 --> 01:29:32,730 would have some free flow of information and be able to make good decisions. 1133 01:29:37,090 --> 01:29:37,690 It's 1134 01:29:38,770 --> 01:29:45,350 you know, in opposition to Mark's contract with BRSD and I do think it needs to be resolved 1135 01:29:45,350 --> 01:29:53,390 because otherwise, how can our general manager operate without a clear direction of who he 1136 01:29:53,390 --> 01:29:59,810 reports to? So absolutely, I stand behind wanting a three-month extension. 1137 01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:08,420 I would also want to know if the special meeting has been called for yet, because I think we're 1138 01:30:08,420 --> 01:30:13,080 up to the wire here. Unfortunately, although you sent out the letter what three or four 1139 01:30:13,080 --> 01:30:20,420 weeks ago asking for the three months, I mean, I am thinking that we may have to do a backup 1140 01:30:20,420 --> 01:30:25,400 purchase order for more services just to keep it if for some reason that you don't 1141 01:30:25,400 --> 01:30:27,140 and have a quorum at the general meeting 1142 01:30:27,140 --> 01:30:28,420 at your special meeting, 1143 01:30:28,780 --> 01:30:31,640 or if they turn it down, 1144 01:30:31,860 --> 01:30:34,760 we would be left in a lurch with no general manager. 1145 01:30:35,260 --> 01:30:38,040 So I think that that is something to think about, 1146 01:30:38,500 --> 01:30:41,020 that that trial folk would just do a purchase order 1147 01:30:41,020 --> 01:30:43,020 for Mark Services for three months 1148 01:30:43,020 --> 01:30:45,320 and we could authorize that tonight. 1149 01:30:46,380 --> 01:30:47,720 But first things first, 1150 01:30:48,300 --> 01:30:51,200 I don't understand as, 1151 01:30:51,840 --> 01:30:53,880 I want to know what's happening on BRSD site. 1152 01:30:55,040 --> 01:31:00,300 Yes, and if you could maybe come over here, I might put the phone over here, perhaps. 1153 01:31:01,240 --> 01:31:02,220 You're still there, right? 1154 01:31:03,000 --> 01:31:03,560 Yes, I am. 1155 01:31:03,960 --> 01:31:04,240 Okay. 1156 01:31:05,160 --> 01:31:07,280 And John, your battery is holding up. 1157 01:31:08,960 --> 01:31:09,760 It's all good. 1158 01:31:10,400 --> 01:31:15,880 So what I wanted to share in response to this question is, number one, we have called for the meeting. 1159 01:31:16,240 --> 01:31:17,860 We have it scheduled for Thursday. 1160 01:31:18,300 --> 01:31:19,980 We haven't posted it yet. 1161 01:31:19,980 --> 01:31:22,740 But we do have a little issue. 1162 01:31:22,900 --> 01:31:25,000 I just want to be perfectly forthcoming. 1163 01:31:25,180 --> 01:31:26,000 We do have a little issue, 1164 01:31:26,200 --> 01:31:27,540 because right now our board members, 1165 01:31:27,960 --> 01:31:29,880 we originally scheduled it for that day, 1166 01:31:29,960 --> 01:31:31,460 because that was the day we were going to have 1167 01:31:31,460 --> 01:31:32,640 seven out of our nine. 1168 01:31:33,220 --> 01:31:34,720 And right now we've dropped down to five. 1169 01:31:35,920 --> 01:31:39,820 But I just got assurances from one of our directors here 1170 01:31:39,820 --> 01:31:41,960 that he would actually participate by phones 1171 01:31:41,960 --> 01:31:44,220 or we're back up to six and do that legally. 1172 01:31:44,680 --> 01:31:46,800 And in fact, I think I could try to get some of the others 1173 01:31:47,360 --> 01:31:48,980 who, oh, you have some update? 1174 01:31:50,700 --> 01:31:51,180 So 1175 01:31:55,820 --> 01:31:59,700 we have a new confirmation at least four of the five so I'm quite 1176 01:31:59,700 --> 01:32:05,400 confident that this meeting will take place for Thursday I'm I also want to 1177 01:32:05,400 --> 01:32:08,720 share with you that at this point unless my attorney advises me otherwise 1178 01:32:08,720 --> 01:32:13,060 otherwise my special counsel I don't think she will my recommendation is in fact 1179 01:32:13,060 --> 01:32:16,440 whether T.S. for their clearance to board to approve this three month extension as 1180 01:32:16,440 --> 01:32:19,840 you know you well know and that's absolutely what my intent is I think 1181 01:32:19,840 --> 01:32:21,300 it's by far the right thing to do. 1182 01:32:21,600 --> 01:32:23,720 Give everybody time to look at this, 1183 01:32:23,820 --> 01:32:25,800 gets breathing room, gets a talking room, 1184 01:32:25,920 --> 01:32:27,260 and keep things going. 1185 01:32:28,100 --> 01:32:30,420 And as you know, the first is on Sunday 1186 01:32:30,420 --> 01:32:32,840 and we don't want, nobody wants to be in a position 1187 01:32:32,840 --> 01:32:35,340 where we don't know what to do and what to say to Mark. 1188 01:32:36,360 --> 01:32:38,180 But hopefully that's not a bridge 1189 01:32:38,180 --> 01:32:39,360 we have to go on a vacation. 1190 01:32:40,660 --> 01:32:42,280 We don't want to sign up on a vacation. 1191 01:32:42,280 --> 01:32:43,280 He wants to go on a vacation. 1192 01:32:43,380 --> 01:32:44,760 I just bought a new boat, I'd be all right. 1193 01:32:45,580 --> 01:32:47,680 So it's all, it's my full intent 1194 01:32:47,680 --> 01:32:54,660 that this will happen Thursday. We will recommend it, and I'm confident that it's going to pass. 1195 01:32:55,040 --> 01:32:55,720 Okay, thank you. 1196 01:32:56,380 --> 01:33:01,240 I have a quick question. If for some reason it doesn't pass, what are our options? 1197 01:33:01,600 --> 01:33:07,600 We are already looking at trying to schedule a meeting on Friday, too, by any chance we have a quorum issue, 1198 01:33:07,900 --> 01:33:15,120 but I'm fairly confident we're going to get Thursday. And I'm fairly confident the board will approve it, 1199 01:33:15,120 --> 01:33:19,220 But that's all I can take I can't I can't I can't guarantee anything. Of course. It's not even my decision 1200 01:33:19,980 --> 01:33:25,980 Yeah, that's I don't have any contingency plan of them. I want to understand also this this item 1201 01:33:26,520 --> 01:33:32,180 2 1 c is that in conflict with the existing contract or with the amendment 1202 01:33:34,600 --> 01:33:38,620 Existing yeah, but what's happened is because we've opened this up for review 1203 01:33:38,620 --> 01:33:45,200 We, I don't think, when this was grafted by another attorney, when we did the master agreement, 1204 01:33:45,360 --> 01:33:50,460 I don't know whether or not we actually had a copy of Mark's consulting agreement. 1205 01:33:50,620 --> 01:33:53,720 I don't remember, you know, what, if that was even looked at. 1206 01:33:54,200 --> 01:34:00,240 So a lot of these issues that come up now, I don't think had been evaluated at that 1207 01:34:00,240 --> 01:34:00,620 time. 1208 01:34:00,740 --> 01:34:05,720 Otherwise, we probably would have spotted some of these concerns and hopefully had resolved 1209 01:34:05,720 --> 01:34:06,560 them back then. 1210 01:34:06,560 --> 01:34:12,140 But since it is now out and we want to do it right, here we are. 1211 01:34:13,700 --> 01:34:20,440 I'd be in favor of the three month extension with the confidence that it's going to be approved. 1212 01:34:20,640 --> 01:34:22,880 If it isn't, we need to have a follow-up. 1213 01:34:23,100 --> 01:34:29,120 Yeah, then we would have to call a special meeting to consider our other options. 1214 01:34:31,430 --> 01:34:36,750 I would like to divide the action into two actions into two steps. 1215 01:34:36,750 --> 01:34:45,030 First of all, I move that we formally request a three month extension of the existing contract from VRSB. 1216 01:34:45,990 --> 01:34:47,270 Okay, do we have a second then? 1217 01:34:47,770 --> 01:34:48,330 Second. 1218 01:34:48,610 --> 01:34:49,150 Seconded. 1219 01:34:49,630 --> 01:34:51,890 Okay, do you want to act on that first? 1220 01:34:52,330 --> 01:34:52,610 Yes. 1221 01:34:52,890 --> 01:34:53,130 Okay. 1222 01:34:53,790 --> 01:34:54,770 So, any further discussion? 1223 01:34:55,790 --> 01:34:59,710 All in favor of the motion signified by saying aye. 1224 01:35:00,170 --> 01:35:00,450 Aye. 1225 01:35:00,450 --> 01:35:00,690 Aye. 1226 01:35:00,970 --> 01:35:01,390 Any opposed? 1227 01:35:02,010 --> 01:35:02,810 Any abstentions? 1228 01:35:03,030 --> 01:35:03,990 Motion carries unanimously. 1229 01:35:04,850 --> 01:35:05,510 What is your second? 1230 01:35:05,510 --> 01:35:15,350 Well, and the second is, since we are getting up to the contract ending, that we authorize 1231 01:35:15,830 --> 01:35:26,610 a purchase order in the amount of three months of Mark's average pay to work for us for three 1232 01:35:26,610 --> 01:35:28,650 months so that we're covered. 1233 01:35:28,650 --> 01:35:36,010 We, as you're, we're looking, we're talking about, and that's what I'm asking, and I, okay. 1234 01:35:38,120 --> 01:35:39,800 Brett, do you have any, is that something? 1235 01:35:39,840 --> 01:35:40,060 Is there a segment? 1236 01:35:40,940 --> 01:35:41,100 Yeah. 1237 01:35:42,500 --> 01:35:43,520 I, I'm sorry. 1238 01:35:44,020 --> 01:35:44,360 Okay. 1239 01:35:44,720 --> 01:35:44,980 Okay. 1240 01:35:45,600 --> 01:35:51,840 My only comment on that is I think, you know, I'm confident of BRST moving forward on this. 1241 01:35:51,960 --> 01:35:57,920 I think we all would like to get this taken care of in the most expeditious manner. 1242 01:35:59,880 --> 01:36:03,980 And so I'm not sure, although I respect the fact that we want to back up plan, 1243 01:36:04,260 --> 01:36:10,660 I'm not sure at this point because that does open up some other issues for us that we need to look at. 1244 01:36:10,880 --> 01:36:16,080 So I don't think I'd be in favor of that at this time, but personally, but you know. 1245 01:36:16,160 --> 01:36:18,040 It definitely opens up issues. 1246 01:36:18,220 --> 01:36:20,900 However, we do not know how the board is going to vote. 1247 01:36:21,300 --> 01:36:25,800 They haven't been really privy to all the negotiations that we've been doing. 1248 01:36:25,800 --> 01:36:30,440 I'm so glad to see Mr. Corrello here from the board. 1249 01:36:31,320 --> 01:36:35,140 But this is the first time we've had someone from the VSD board. 1250 01:36:35,500 --> 01:36:36,780 I'm looking at the calendar. 1251 01:36:37,400 --> 01:36:42,800 So it looks like, Chris, you're calling a meeting for the 28th. 1252 01:36:43,440 --> 01:36:50,000 Well, you know, when the contract expires. 1253 01:36:51,300 --> 01:36:51,940 Sunday. 1254 01:36:51,940 --> 01:37:01,380 Sunday. So, we don't, you know, we would be hard-pressed to call another, we would have to be an emergency meeting, I guess, 24 hours. 1255 01:37:01,780 --> 01:37:08,960 It would be a special meeting. We could do that in 24 hours, notice. I, maybe I'm an optimist here, as I've told you many times, I don't get involved in this at all. 1256 01:37:09,120 --> 01:37:20,860 I've never seen, I heard more about the VRC contract than Mark's contract, the night that I had in the last, whatever time you've been, and whatever time we've contracted, because I just not into it because we have a conflict, as you know. 1257 01:37:21,960 --> 01:37:30,520 I think to some extent, I'm not sure that this is agendized to pay a mark on a bridge authority, to be honest with you. 1258 01:37:31,640 --> 01:37:38,940 Maybe when you talk about compensation payable, the district general manager under 18, I think that's a stretch. 1259 01:37:39,100 --> 01:37:42,960 This is one of those ones where I think you just have to take a leap of faith. 1260 01:37:43,460 --> 01:37:46,020 I think we have three parties here. 1261 01:37:46,020 --> 01:38:05,440 BRST, TSD, and Mark Norris, and we've got to get some breathing room to allow that to settle out, to have Mr. Battles and BRST Special Counsel discuss that, come up with something that's agreeable to everyone. 1262 01:38:06,020 --> 01:38:12,060 It's in fact, the meeting is not held Thursday or not held Friday, and no action is taken 1263 01:38:12,060 --> 01:38:17,260 or the action is not for the three month extension, and I think y'all ought to be ready to come 1264 01:38:17,260 --> 01:38:18,140 in here on Saturday morning. 1265 01:38:19,380 --> 01:38:29,620 Okay, so at this point, we are motioned, and I guess we can send the letter out, although 1266 01:38:29,620 --> 01:38:35,380 we do have represents of BRST here, so I don't need a letter, I take the direction 1267 01:38:35,380 --> 01:38:37,020 of the board and I will act on it immediately. 1268 01:38:37,700 --> 01:38:40,120 In fact, I already have an appointment set up 1269 01:38:40,120 --> 01:38:43,700 with the special counsel to start drafting these documents 1270 01:38:44,340 --> 01:38:45,020 for that meeting. 1271 01:38:45,260 --> 01:38:45,600 Thank you. 1272 01:38:45,840 --> 01:38:46,280 Tomorrow morning. 1273 01:38:46,380 --> 01:38:48,880 Advice of counsel, I don't think it is an agenda item 1274 01:38:49,660 --> 01:38:54,240 at this point to talk about any other action 1275 01:38:54,820 --> 01:38:56,840 in terms of hiring Mark. 1276 01:38:57,980 --> 01:38:59,080 So I would like to. 1277 01:38:59,580 --> 01:38:59,880 Come on, sir. 1278 01:39:00,240 --> 01:39:02,400 Can you put a message with that about the agenda? 1279 01:39:02,600 --> 01:39:04,280 What was the conclusion from the agenda there? 1280 01:39:06,740 --> 01:39:10,220 I'd like to ask your opinion, or can we do it under closed session? 1281 01:39:11,760 --> 01:39:18,860 I think certainly my intent in drafting the agenda was to make it fall on adoption. 1282 01:39:19,180 --> 01:39:19,360 I 1283 01:40:00,740 --> 01:40:02,280 ask that my motion stand. 1284 01:40:03,240 --> 01:40:03,580 Okay. 1285 01:40:04,100 --> 01:40:10,860 So if this motion passes then we would have to discuss specifics in closed session, because what you're into coming in. 1286 01:40:12,040 --> 01:40:14,580 You certainly have the option to do it that way. 1287 01:40:16,260 --> 01:40:23,080 Okay, because we're getting, and again, our, our, John, as Shiki has had, I saw a little bit at off it. 1288 01:40:23,780 --> 01:40:25,320 That was to 100%. 1289 01:40:25,320 --> 01:40:30,400 It's either, either you decide that item 16 is broad enough for you to take that action, 1290 01:40:31,760 --> 01:40:36,660 or in closed session you're going to discuss under government code section 54, 9, 57, 1291 01:40:36,660 --> 01:40:41,080 the public employee appointment of valuation, 1292 01:40:41,280 --> 01:40:43,900 discipline, everything that's contained in that session. 1293 01:40:45,220 --> 01:40:48,020 I don't understand what you would be doing there. 1294 01:40:48,140 --> 01:40:52,440 You would be hiring Mark as a district manager? 1295 01:40:52,700 --> 01:40:55,240 Yeah, I think right now, at least let me give my take, 1296 01:40:55,820 --> 01:40:59,600 is under item 16, our formal request 1297 01:41:00,160 --> 01:41:04,420 that we wanted to prove tonight was a 90 day extension. 1298 01:41:04,420 --> 01:41:13,500 that we did that. It's now up to BRST to hopefully accept that and we'll move forward. If that's 1299 01:41:13,500 --> 01:41:21,180 the case, I think we do not need to act on anything in closed session at this point. If we can't resolve 1300 01:41:21,180 --> 01:41:26,900 these ongoing issues, we'll have to come back and revisit this. But right now, I think that we've already 1301 01:41:26,900 --> 01:41:32,940 taken action on 16 I really again I you know maybe brought it up to discuss it 1302 01:41:32,940 --> 01:41:37,860 my personal feelings at this point is I wouldn't like to go any further until we 1303 01:41:37,860 --> 01:41:43,320 try to work out these issues in the contracts. Well I would and I made the 1304 01:41:43,320 --> 01:41:51,840 motion is there a second? Do we have a second? I want to make a comment first there seems to me 1305 01:41:51,840 --> 01:41:55,400 that, you know, a probability VSRD is going to approve this. 1306 01:41:55,500 --> 01:41:57,420 But there is a chance that it won't happen. 1307 01:41:57,960 --> 01:41:59,300 And if it doesn't happen, we're going 1308 01:41:59,300 --> 01:42:00,720 to have a special meeting, like you said, 1309 01:42:00,780 --> 01:42:01,740 every Saturday morning. 1310 01:42:02,480 --> 01:42:04,840 And that meeting could be easily agenda. 1311 01:42:05,860 --> 01:42:09,680 Have the agenda put this motion on it 1312 01:42:09,680 --> 01:42:12,080 for the other option of hiring. 1313 01:42:13,500 --> 01:42:16,240 So then we have it properly agendized. 1314 01:42:16,800 --> 01:42:19,860 And it will only take place if in an odd chance 1315 01:42:19,860 --> 01:42:24,000 that BSRD does not approve the 30-day extension? 1316 01:42:27,170 --> 01:42:29,350 Yes, Ray, I agree with that. 1317 01:42:29,490 --> 01:42:33,350 I think that that is our fallback plan at this point. 1318 01:42:33,550 --> 01:42:35,110 So are you withdrawing your second? 1319 01:42:36,190 --> 01:42:36,950 I didn't second. 1320 01:42:37,430 --> 01:42:38,810 You thought I did, but I didn't. 1321 01:42:39,290 --> 01:42:40,590 I was trying to say something. 1322 01:42:40,830 --> 01:42:42,510 I wanted to make this comment and she took it. 1323 01:42:42,650 --> 01:42:44,490 So then, did we not have a ballot second? 1324 01:42:45,930 --> 01:42:47,990 I had heard Mr. Chubhander second it, 1325 01:42:47,990 --> 01:42:48,950 but he says he did not. 1326 01:42:49,290 --> 01:42:51,590 So we don't, we do not have a second at this point. 1327 01:42:52,310 --> 01:42:53,750 Is there a second term motion? 1328 01:42:55,010 --> 01:42:57,870 Okay, if not, the motion fails for lack of a second. 1329 01:42:58,310 --> 01:43:01,390 So we have a, we're going to move on. 1330 01:43:01,570 --> 01:43:02,650 Well, I have a comment. 1331 01:43:03,290 --> 01:43:08,730 It just seems to me since mid-March, we've had all this stuff coming to us from VIRUSD. 1332 01:43:09,050 --> 01:43:13,030 We had to have an extra special budget meeting because of it. 1333 01:43:13,270 --> 01:43:15,950 That costs us money, and it costs us time. 1334 01:43:15,950 --> 01:43:23,810 And now we're looking at, well, Guy Shapiro has the way we hope it will, another special meeting. 1335 01:43:23,970 --> 01:43:25,670 And what's that? Another 3,000 bucks. 1336 01:43:26,270 --> 01:43:33,950 And because of this contract upset, you know, we have taken our time, Mike and you and me, 1337 01:43:34,490 --> 01:43:39,230 for ad hoc committee meetings we have had to hire with battle for up to $6,000, 1338 01:43:39,950 --> 01:43:44,650 all because of a contract extension that wasn't well thought out. 1339 01:43:44,650 --> 01:43:55,110 and it's difficult. That's it. Thank you. All right so with that we conclude our 1340 01:43:55,110 --> 01:44:01,770 action items and Rick I think at this point we'll let you run. Okay. Thank you. 1341 01:44:01,770 --> 01:44:05,890 Yeah, the one that's more common out of the paper than your question doesn't make any sense at 1342 01:44:08,610 --> 01:44:15,640 the time, because there's a special meeting and the chance of it if it's not necessary, right, instead of Saturday or Sunday. 1343 01:44:16,320 --> 01:44:20,040 Yeah, it's a good suggestion. I will not be available on Saturday. 1344 01:44:20,720 --> 01:44:22,900 So, okay, we better do that in front of them. 1345 01:44:23,240 --> 01:44:23,440 Okay. 1346 01:44:25,500 --> 01:44:29,460 We don't have a location, but, like, a location. 1347 01:44:29,600 --> 01:44:30,380 Pardon me? 1348 01:44:30,380 --> 01:44:36,680 My office, I don't know if my office is still in the district, but wait, my whole office was, but I'm now north of it. 1349 01:44:36,840 --> 01:44:40,440 I mean, you have to be RSD board member. 1350 01:44:40,820 --> 01:44:42,080 Well, we had to stay within the district. 1351 01:44:42,800 --> 01:44:44,800 Oh, maybe you can use the deer here. 1352 01:44:45,380 --> 01:44:46,720 We can use the strip board. 1353 01:44:47,060 --> 01:44:48,220 We can use the deer here. 1354 01:44:48,780 --> 01:44:49,140 Okay. 1355 01:44:49,860 --> 01:44:50,060 Okay. 1356 01:44:50,940 --> 01:44:52,780 All right, so, yeah, that's a good suggestion. 1357 01:44:53,100 --> 01:44:59,800 So we'll go ahead and take a motion to generalize that. 1358 01:44:59,800 --> 01:44:59,980 Thank you very much for watching. 1359 01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:04,080 And then it should not be necessary to chair a suspension of council. 1360 01:45:05,680 --> 01:45:08,720 I saw this picture on Thursday, Thursday afternoon. 1361 01:45:10,560 --> 01:45:15,480 Actually, I have a conflict on Thursday afternoon, so... 1362 01:45:15,480 --> 01:45:18,960 I have a conflict Friday too, but I'm confident we're going to resolve this. 1363 01:45:20,840 --> 01:45:22,920 But I don't think I'll have to change things around. 1364 01:45:34,440 --> 01:45:40,560 If we did do something on Friday, it would have to be in the afternoon because I have a commitment I can't change Friday. 1365 01:45:40,560 --> 01:45:45,700 Yeah, what, five, 15, or five, or three years? 1366 01:45:46,900 --> 01:45:48,260 If Marguerite is involved. 1367 01:45:48,860 --> 01:45:49,360 Why would you? 1368 01:45:51,320 --> 01:45:57,340 In the off chance that we have to have that meeting, how do you want to structure the item? 1369 01:45:57,800 --> 01:45:58,700 What would you want to say? 1370 01:46:00,560 --> 01:46:03,520 It would pretty much be what Item 17 is. 1371 01:46:03,820 --> 01:46:04,900 It would be a closed session? 1372 01:46:05,080 --> 01:46:06,220 Yeah, it would be a closed session. 1373 01:46:06,460 --> 01:46:09,080 I am pretty much what we have now, I would think. 1374 01:46:09,080 --> 01:46:15,260 Right, right. So basically it would be the same title as this item. 1375 01:46:18,170 --> 01:46:20,350 Okay. Thank you, 1376 01:46:20,410 --> 01:46:20,490 Rick. 1377 01:46:22,550 --> 01:46:24,070 Okay, I appreciate it. Have a nice evening. 1378 01:46:28,980 --> 01:46:36,860 Send us the bill for the minutes. Okay, where are we at here? We are in no-close 1379 01:46:36,860 --> 01:46:37,320 session. 1380 01:46:39,940 --> 01:46:42,980 We have an action item, special action very 1381 01:46:42,980 --> 01:46:44,640 comes to people with district general manager. 1382 01:46:45,720 --> 01:46:49,000 So actually we don't, oh that's, it's not closed session. 1383 01:46:49,360 --> 01:46:51,780 So I don't think we have an item AT&T at this point. 1384 01:46:52,740 --> 01:46:57,520 So let's move on to information agendas, 19 through 27. 1385 01:47:00,880 --> 01:47:01,560 Is there any meetings? 1386 01:47:02,240 --> 01:47:04,200 We have the PNF committee meetings been canceled. 1387 01:47:04,680 --> 01:47:05,760 Should make note of that. 1388 01:47:07,220 --> 01:47:09,960 JPA meetings July 11th because of the holiday. 1389 01:47:11,620 --> 01:47:14,100 Our next regular meeting is July 23rd. 1390 01:47:20,340 --> 01:47:24,740 Does anybody have any comments, questions on the information agenda? 1391 01:47:27,440 --> 01:47:35,540 I just want to note, our water use is very interesting looking at how low we're tracking under our projections. 1392 01:47:37,380 --> 01:47:41,520 It was not 20 years ago, we were selling about 3,000 acre feet of water. 1393 01:47:42,300 --> 01:47:45,720 And we're going to be hard-pressed for the next 2,000 acre feet this year. 1394 01:47:46,240 --> 01:47:48,020 So it's interesting. 1395 01:47:48,740 --> 01:47:49,860 Okay, so we need an item. 1396 01:47:49,860 --> 01:47:51,840 Thank you. 1397 01:47:52,700 --> 01:47:55,560 We need a motion to receive the funds. 1398 01:47:58,960 --> 01:47:59,620 Seconded. 1399 01:47:59,820 --> 01:48:00,900 All in favor say aye. 1400 01:48:01,180 --> 01:48:01,580 Aye. 1401 01:48:03,340 --> 01:48:03,720 Okay. 1402 01:48:04,180 --> 01:48:07,460 Next up is when can I fund the rest of this? 1403 01:48:10,050 --> 01:48:11,170 Four reports. 1404 01:48:11,330 --> 01:48:12,130 Standing Committee reports. 1405 01:48:12,530 --> 01:48:13,250 Finance Committee. 1406 01:48:16,620 --> 01:48:17,380 Finance Committee. 1407 01:48:17,840 --> 01:48:18,060 No. 1408 01:48:18,420 --> 01:48:18,860 No meeting. 1409 01:48:19,080 --> 01:48:19,320 No meeting. 1410 01:48:19,720 --> 01:48:21,760 Recycle Water, Pure Water Project Committee. 1411 01:48:22,080 --> 01:48:22,480 No meeting. 1412 01:48:23,460 --> 01:48:28,980 public outreach, communication, committee, and that means ad hoc committee. 1413 01:48:29,180 --> 01:48:34,580 We actually gave our report at Bethel, and so now we're going to move on to 1414 01:48:34,580 --> 01:48:35,780 board member comments. 1415 01:48:37,800 --> 01:48:43,700 Yes, I just want to comment on agency websites and I 1416 01:48:43,700 --> 01:48:49,980 checked out others recently and they have gone to a full-screen broad format 1417 01:48:49,980 --> 01:48:56,880 in general and maybe reducing the screen sometimes when there is text but I think 1418 01:48:56,880 --> 01:49:05,180 our website is looking old for lack of it I mean it's looking outdated and so I 1419 01:49:05,180 --> 01:49:10,960 would just mention that to the outreach committee that we might want to when 1420 01:49:10,960 --> 01:49:16,220 things settle down a little bit see about updating our website and the other 1421 01:49:16,220 --> 01:49:24,500 comment is I really want to request that if we are advertising why we had to do a 1422 01:49:24,500 --> 01:49:33,760 legal announcement for the tax rolls, collecting our sewer pay, that we do it in 1423 01:49:33,760 --> 01:49:39,500 the Acorns. They cover our meetings. They're a good local resource and the 1424 01:49:39,500 --> 01:49:44,820 STARS circulation I know has to be down because I don't know anyone that takes 1425 01:49:44,820 --> 01:49:50,800 it anymore. So it would just be advertising in the Acorn and the 1000 Oaks Acorn instead. 1426 01:49:51,380 --> 01:49:59,200 Because it seems right now the fact that a paper of choice is the star. And I think it's 1427 01:49:59,200 --> 01:50:00,620 time to change that. Thank you. 1428 01:50:01,340 --> 01:50:02,380 Okay, other comments? 1429 01:50:02,700 --> 01:50:07,080 Well, if we do use the Acorn, it's fine. We'll make sure to hand it both to 1000 Oaks 1430 01:50:07,080 --> 01:50:08,740 and for your particular request. 1431 01:50:09,100 --> 01:50:11,700 Of course they are. Of course they are. 1432 01:50:12,880 --> 01:50:16,760 However, it actually would cost us more because there's big, 1433 01:50:16,920 --> 01:50:19,040 I don't buy the real estate into two sections. 1434 01:50:19,320 --> 01:50:21,560 We'd have to use two different sections of the Acorn. 1435 01:50:21,680 --> 01:50:22,760 Yeah, but what are their rates? 1436 01:50:23,280 --> 01:50:28,000 It's higher because I put in an ad for the tax rolls, 1437 01:50:28,420 --> 01:50:30,980 and I have to put it in two different jurisdictions 1438 01:50:30,980 --> 01:50:31,740 of the Acorn. 1439 01:50:32,560 --> 01:50:34,100 Okay, I'd like to report on that. 1440 01:50:34,320 --> 01:50:34,740 Okay. 1441 01:50:35,760 --> 01:50:36,800 Okay, other comments? 1442 01:50:37,820 --> 01:50:39,120 Board members, Susan? 1443 01:50:40,340 --> 01:50:41,600 Okay. I do have one. 1444 01:50:44,040 --> 01:50:52,140 So this is the one that I am most ready to announce to you guys, but 1445 01:50:52,140 --> 01:51:01,840 I'm going to pass out a letter. I am retiring. What? And relocating to Austin, Texas. What? 1446 01:51:01,840 --> 01:51:11,100 in the next few months, and so I got a copy of a letter, and I do this with, so I kind 1447 01:51:12,000 --> 01:51:26,340 of laid this out in a little letter, here's another one, so I mentioned this to a couple 1448 01:51:26,340 --> 01:51:31,820 of people, but my house went on the market today, so I felt necessary to let you guys 1449 01:51:31,820 --> 01:51:38,080 know today. This has been an amazing experience and for ten years in working 1450 01:51:38,080 --> 01:51:42,720 with this district and working with the board and as you know I've been involved 1451 01:51:42,720 --> 01:51:48,960 with a lot of organizations you know going on decades now. For some personal 1452 01:51:48,960 --> 01:51:53,320 reasons and quality of life and some business opportunities in Austin I've 1453 01:51:53,320 --> 01:51:58,440 decided to relocate and I've actually have a house under construction I relate to that right now. 1454 01:52:00,560 --> 01:52:07,020 So other than the humid, hot summers, actually I'm looking forward to some of the challenges 1455 01:52:07,020 --> 01:52:07,880 and opportunities. 1456 01:52:08,820 --> 01:52:14,600 They have water issues there too, apparently, in Texas. 1457 01:52:15,420 --> 01:52:23,400 I will be back here frequently, but the reason I haven't really said anything the last couple 1458 01:52:23,400 --> 01:52:27,540 of months is I mean we've got a lot of issues going on right now and I wanted to make 1459 01:52:27,540 --> 01:52:33,360 sure that I can do everything I possibly can to try to help, you know, and so my 1460 01:52:33,360 --> 01:52:37,940 determination will not be effective until August 31st, giving me hopefully some 1461 01:52:37,940 --> 01:52:42,060 time to continue to work and push towards dealing with some of these overhead 1462 01:52:42,060 --> 01:52:49,780 issues and things that are coming up, and then looking for a hopefully a good 1463 01:52:50,360 --> 01:52:54,060 replacement. I know we've had some candidates that have come forward here in 1464 01:52:54,060 --> 01:52:57,520 the last couple of years. We've got a couple of them on the board right now 1465 01:52:57,520 --> 01:53:01,120 So I am every confidence in the leadership of this board 1466 01:53:01,120 --> 01:53:01,960 and moving forward. 1467 01:53:02,920 --> 01:53:06,100 But when I got elected 10 years ago 1468 01:53:06,100 --> 01:53:09,520 and I had unseeded a 24-year veteran, 1469 01:53:09,640 --> 01:53:11,440 I also told myself that I'm not going 1470 01:53:11,440 --> 01:53:15,540 to be doing this for 24 years, that I think that sometimes 1471 01:53:15,540 --> 01:53:18,860 fresh ideas and blood is good to bring in 1472 01:53:18,860 --> 01:53:21,000 and to keep things energized. 1473 01:53:21,500 --> 01:53:24,800 Not that I'm tired and not contributing. 1474 01:53:24,800 --> 01:53:28,520 I hope I am, but I feel it moving forward. 1475 01:53:28,840 --> 01:53:32,780 We find somebody with a passion and I 1476 01:53:32,780 --> 01:53:36,160 would hope good common sense and 1477 01:53:37,660 --> 01:53:41,100 thoughtfulness to help this board move to the next 1478 01:53:41,100 --> 01:53:45,140 step and particularly the Pure Water Project as that gets moved forward 1479 01:53:45,140 --> 01:53:48,940 which I'll be monitoring closely from 1,400 miles 1480 01:53:48,940 --> 01:53:52,360 away. So with that, that's my announcement 1481 01:53:52,360 --> 01:53:53,680 for this evening. 1482 01:53:56,420 --> 01:54:00,380 I will now move on to outside meetings and conferences. 1483 01:54:03,200 --> 01:54:05,540 Hey, can we ask some more board member comments? 1484 01:54:05,860 --> 01:54:09,120 Mike, this is a shocker. Oh, my goodness. 1485 01:54:09,860 --> 01:54:13,020 We are going to be so sorry to lose you. 1486 01:54:13,200 --> 01:54:19,740 And I will say more later, but I just wish you all the best in Austin. 1487 01:54:20,000 --> 01:54:22,460 As you know, I was there this February. 1488 01:54:23,020 --> 01:54:26,280 It's a beautiful city, very vibrant and alive. 1489 01:54:27,500 --> 01:54:30,320 But hey, the Kaneo Valley, too bad either. 1490 01:54:30,820 --> 01:54:34,580 So, golly, this is going to take some getting used to. 1491 01:54:34,800 --> 01:54:38,580 I did go to school. For the record, I was in university. It's a lot more in my house. 1492 01:54:38,580 --> 01:54:41,640 Put them, put them, yes. Relatives that have gone through there. 1493 01:54:41,800 --> 01:54:43,880 So we have some connections to the community. 1494 01:54:46,460 --> 01:54:48,660 And they're playing USC in football. 1495 01:54:49,400 --> 01:54:52,140 I'll be in Hawaii that weekend, unfortunately, and stuff. 1496 01:54:53,160 --> 01:54:54,220 Anyway, thank you. 1497 01:54:58,460 --> 01:55:03,620 So any, I mean, outside conferences, we did have a BCSDA meeting this morning, 1498 01:55:04,840 --> 01:55:06,540 a very interesting topic. 1499 01:55:07,000 --> 01:55:09,800 I know we had several of us there, a few of us there at that meeting, 1500 01:55:10,760 --> 01:55:12,720 and just to report out on that, 1501 01:55:13,220 --> 01:55:16,240 and of course I forgot to write down the name of the fellow who spoke, 1502 01:55:16,980 --> 01:55:19,120 but he was an expert on cybersecurity, 1503 01:55:19,120 --> 01:55:25,180 security and it was fascinating to go through some different scenarios and really where 1504 01:55:25,840 --> 01:55:37,180 the link is of organizations in terms of opening up potential issues to the types of viruses 1505 01:55:37,180 --> 01:55:44,760 and problems that can occur that can compromise the system. And so it's always something 1506 01:55:44,760 --> 01:55:51,940 to be mindful of, so we had a number of suggestions that were made by this expert who's actually 1507 01:55:51,940 --> 01:55:55,640 from this area here, and it was very, very interesting actually. 1508 01:55:55,960 --> 01:56:01,020 I don't know if you've got anything further on that, but that's my group report. 1509 01:56:01,020 --> 01:56:01,480 It 1510 01:56:05,740 --> 01:56:18,980 was about the new water agency, the one that has been in the Colorado Valley, I guess 1511 01:56:18,980 --> 01:56:27,280 before, is a combination of four water districts, including two private water companies. 1512 01:56:27,620 --> 01:56:32,920 So that wasn't very interesting, you know, to see how they consolidated and they talked 1513 01:56:32,920 --> 01:56:39,800 about how they're going to make it more efficient, you know, and how the whole system work, you know, 1514 01:56:39,900 --> 01:56:46,220 to try to, you know, go with whatever the best practice they have in each of the agencies. 1515 01:56:47,020 --> 01:56:48,100 So that was good. 1516 01:56:48,900 --> 01:56:50,200 Do you want to give any emails? 1517 01:56:51,240 --> 01:56:54,600 Well, I would just like to report on an upcoming outside meeting, 1518 01:56:54,600 --> 01:57:01,120 which is the Oak Park MAC meeting, which is tomorrow in this room. 1519 01:57:01,800 --> 01:57:08,360 Kayegas will be presenting the modified pump station plan that's for the interconnect between 1520 01:57:08,360 --> 01:57:12,620 Las Virginias and Kayegas and is in open space on Landero Canyon. 1521 01:57:13,160 --> 01:57:14,680 So that's tomorrow at 7. 1522 01:57:14,900 --> 01:57:19,220 It should be very interesting and it's always nice to have people there who support it 1523 01:57:19,220 --> 01:57:26,000 because I think that there will be at least one person there not supporting it and maybe 1524 01:57:26,000 --> 01:57:28,880 bringing people who support to stand. 1525 01:57:31,960 --> 01:57:43,800 anything else okay general manager legal counsel yeah I'm not a board member so 1526 01:57:43,800 --> 01:57:48,580 I don't get to make motions but I would like to take since we're all family 1527 01:57:48,580 --> 01:57:54,080 right now not a pretty as random the Janice statement that things settle down 1528 01:57:54,080 --> 01:57:56,780 she said when things settle down I've been the motion that things settle 1529 01:57:56,780 --> 01:58:08,640 It doesn't seem like it's happening and I also express my appreciation to Mike and I have some personal issues that I'll talk to you about, personal comments that I'll make. 1530 01:58:09,100 --> 01:58:10,180 Thank you. I appreciate it. 1531 01:58:12,900 --> 01:58:15,280 And we do not feature agenda items. 1532 01:58:18,040 --> 01:58:19,560 We don't have a closed session. 1533 01:58:20,340 --> 01:58:22,340 We do have a closed session. I promise. 1534 01:58:22,520 --> 01:58:27,020 This is your closed session. 1535 01:58:27,020 --> 01:58:32,680 So, we'll go ahead and close our open session and give an opportunity for it. 1536 01:58:32,680 --> 01:58:35,500 And I'll just make the announcement while you're on the video. 1537 01:58:36,740 --> 01:58:40,960 Pursuit the government code 549956.9, subdivision A triumphant 1538 01:58:40,960 --> 01:58:45,360 sanitation district versus new mission LLC at all. 1539 01:58:45,680 --> 01:58:52,120 I'm now going to close session and we'll make a report, maybe make a report of any action taken in open session. 1540 01:58:52,120 --> 01:59:08,030 We're back in open session. General Counsel met with the board to discuss the litigation set forth in the agenda, gave a status report of the mandatory settlement conference that took place and there's no report of fashion taken by the board. 1541 01:59:09,870 --> 01:59:13,150 And with that, we stand adjourned until the next meeting.