1 00:02:56,879 --> 00:02:59,200 I call the November 5th Assembly Finance 2 00:02:59,200 --> 00:03:01,840 Committee meeting to order. Miss Wendle, 3 00:03:01,840 --> 00:03:05,599 will you call roll or no roll? 4 00:03:05,599 --> 00:03:07,040 >> Thank you, Chair Wall. We have all 5 00:03:07,040 --> 00:03:08,720 assembly members present in chambers 6 00:03:08,720 --> 00:03:11,040 besides Assembly Member Atinson and 7 00:03:11,040 --> 00:03:15,589 Smith who are available on Zoom. 8 00:03:15,599 --> 00:03:17,440 » Thank you. That brings us to approval of 9 00:03:17,440 --> 00:03:19,440 minutes. You have the September 3rd, 10 00:03:19,440 --> 00:03:23,120 2025 minutes in your packet. Any changes 11 00:03:23,120 --> 00:03:26,630 to those minutes? 12 00:03:26,640 --> 00:03:29,040 Seeing none, those are so moved. Brings 13 00:03:29,040 --> 00:03:31,360 us to agenda topics. 14 00:03:31,360 --> 00:03:34,319 We are going to start with the FY25 15 00:03:34,319 --> 00:03:36,720 financial wrap-up. 16 00:03:36,720 --> 00:03:38,560 Um, 17 00:03:38,560 --> 00:03:41,200 Miss Flick. 18 00:03:41,200 --> 00:03:43,760 Thank you, Chair Wall. I will um share 19 00:03:43,760 --> 00:03:45,680 the PowerPoint here in just a second. 20 00:03:45,680 --> 00:03:48,640 Uh, but I did want to just take a moment 21 00:03:48,640 --> 00:03:52,879 um the memo cover memo for this. Um, I 22 00:03:52,879 --> 00:03:55,040 don't usually do a a preamble to the 23 00:03:55,040 --> 00:03:57,280 meeting, but I felt like it was 24 00:03:57,280 --> 00:03:59,840 appropriate for this meeting. We have a 25 00:03:59,840 --> 00:04:02,480 lot of things on the agenda tonight and 26 00:04:02,480 --> 00:04:06,000 they are presented to you in pieces. Um, 27 00:04:06,000 --> 00:04:09,200 but they all kind of tie together. So, 28 00:04:09,200 --> 00:04:12,400 um, you know, we'll start with the, uh, 29 00:04:12,400 --> 00:04:14,959 FYI25 wrap-up, which we're still in 30 00:04:14,959 --> 00:04:17,600 process of the audit. Um, uh, but 31 00:04:17,600 --> 00:04:19,519 there's enough that solidified that we 32 00:04:19,519 --> 00:04:22,639 wanted to present to you. Um, tonight 33 00:04:22,639 --> 00:04:25,120 we've got, um, a whole memo and 34 00:04:25,120 --> 00:04:27,520 conversation about kind of the financial 35 00:04:27,520 --> 00:04:29,759 path forward given the election results 36 00:04:29,759 --> 00:04:33,440 that, um, have just been certified. Um 37 00:04:33,440 --> 00:04:34,800 something that we talked about earlier 38 00:04:34,800 --> 00:04:38,000 on uh in the calendar year was uh these 39 00:04:38,000 --> 00:04:40,400 items of foregone revenue. There's a 40 00:04:40,400 --> 00:04:42,320 whole uh memo on that that plays 41 00:04:42,320 --> 00:04:44,479 together with some of these things. And 42 00:04:44,479 --> 00:04:46,960 then finally a revisit of the dockage 43 00:04:46,960 --> 00:04:51,440 fee increase um and how to uh utilize 44 00:04:51,440 --> 00:04:53,919 those funds as a potential option. So um 45 00:04:53,919 --> 00:04:55,840 lots of things in the in the packet 46 00:04:55,840 --> 00:04:59,360 tonight. um recognition that you guys 47 00:04:59,360 --> 00:05:02,080 have had a heavy um couple weeks of 48 00:05:02,080 --> 00:05:04,160 meetings. Um last week having two 49 00:05:04,160 --> 00:05:06,240 meetings, this week having two meetings. 50 00:05:06,240 --> 00:05:08,479 Um so we've worked with Christine Wall. 51 00:05:08,479 --> 00:05:11,759 There are some places we can um um eject 52 00:05:11,759 --> 00:05:14,639 if we need to. And um if we can get to 53 00:05:14,639 --> 00:05:17,199 everything that's also fantastic. Uh so 54 00:05:17,199 --> 00:05:20,320 with that, let me see if I 55 00:05:20,320 --> 00:05:26,710 can successfully share my screen. 56 00:05:26,720 --> 00:05:30,160 And for the committee, do feel free to 57 00:05:30,160 --> 00:05:33,360 ask questions throughout um and wave at 58 00:05:33,360 --> 00:05:43,350 me if I don't see you. 59 00:05:43,360 --> 00:05:49,830 » Let's see. 60 00:05:49,840 --> 00:05:55,270 All right. Well, we'll do it in Perfect. 61 00:05:55,280 --> 00:05:57,120 I think it did it and I wasn't patient 62 00:05:57,120 --> 00:05:59,600 enough. So, let me hit that again and 63 00:05:59,600 --> 00:06:00,880 see if it comes across as the 64 00:06:00,880 --> 00:06:02,880 presentation. 65 00:06:02,880 --> 00:06:05,199 Yes. Excellent. So, we're going to talk 66 00:06:05,199 --> 00:06:07,600 about um FY25. 67 00:06:07,600 --> 00:06:10,720 Um I did want to just uh take a moment 68 00:06:10,720 --> 00:06:13,440 to pause and have a moment of gratitude. 69 00:06:13,440 --> 00:06:16,639 Um you all know that um finance has a 70 00:06:16,639 --> 00:06:19,440 lot have has had experienced a lot of 71 00:06:19,440 --> 00:06:21,919 turnover and actually I think we were 72 00:06:21,919 --> 00:06:23,440 three years of getting our financial 73 00:06:23,440 --> 00:06:26,080 statements out really really late and we 74 00:06:26,080 --> 00:06:28,479 were not even in a position to give you 75 00:06:28,479 --> 00:06:30,479 a fiscal year update in November like we 76 00:06:30,479 --> 00:06:32,960 pushed that to as close to the retreat 77 00:06:32,960 --> 00:06:35,120 as we possibly could as we possibly 78 00:06:35,120 --> 00:06:39,759 could. Um this year I am 79 00:06:39,759 --> 00:06:42,319 exceedingly excited to say we've kept uh 80 00:06:42,319 --> 00:06:44,240 most of our core of accountants for 81 00:06:44,240 --> 00:06:46,880 almost a full year. We we've have had in 82 00:06:46,880 --> 00:06:49,600 the last couple last month of turnover. 83 00:06:49,600 --> 00:06:52,479 Um but we are working on the final 84 00:06:52,479 --> 00:06:56,160 pieces of our year-end adjustments and 85 00:06:56,160 --> 00:06:58,880 our audit. We're pulling up transactions 86 00:06:58,880 --> 00:07:01,280 where last year we processed things in 87 00:07:01,280 --> 00:07:03,360 January and we're looking at them in 88 00:07:03,360 --> 00:07:06,880 October. Um, so just super excited to um 89 00:07:06,880 --> 00:07:10,240 see the growth of the team and um just 90 00:07:10,240 --> 00:07:13,039 the the year-over-year progress in 91 00:07:13,039 --> 00:07:15,199 improving our our year- end close 92 00:07:15,199 --> 00:07:18,319 processes. So um I fully anticipate that 93 00:07:18,319 --> 00:07:19,919 we'll be able to issue our financial 94 00:07:19,919 --> 00:07:22,560 statements on time, which is into the 95 00:07:22,560 --> 00:07:25,680 calendar year. Um the questions that the 96 00:07:25,680 --> 00:07:28,160 auditors have had for us are all 97 00:07:28,160 --> 00:07:31,520 completely reasonable and things we we 98 00:07:31,520 --> 00:07:34,319 would expect them to ask. And so, um, 99 00:07:34,319 --> 00:07:36,080 we're just, uh, in a really good place. 100 00:07:36,080 --> 00:07:39,120 So, um, fantastic team that I get to 101 00:07:39,120 --> 00:07:40,800 work with every day and I'm I am 102 00:07:40,800 --> 00:07:42,479 grateful for them. And so, I just wanted 103 00:07:42,479 --> 00:07:43,759 to take a moment and share that with 104 00:07:43,759 --> 00:07:45,360 you. 105 00:07:45,360 --> 00:07:46,479 But, we're here to talk about our 106 00:07:46,479 --> 00:07:48,560 financials. So, we will u move on to 107 00:07:48,560 --> 00:07:52,400 that. Um, this is um, granted a little 108 00:07:52,400 --> 00:07:54,639 bit of a busy screen, but when we talk 109 00:07:54,639 --> 00:07:57,680 about um, the general government, 110 00:07:57,680 --> 00:08:00,400 we um, see if I can hide some things on 111 00:08:00,400 --> 00:08:05,110 my screen so I can see it. 112 00:08:05,120 --> 00:08:07,599 This is our revenue picture and so this 113 00:08:07,599 --> 00:08:10,800 is the general government. So it is um 114 00:08:10,800 --> 00:08:13,039 your general fund elements and your 115 00:08:13,039 --> 00:08:16,160 sales tax um elements um combined 116 00:08:16,160 --> 00:08:17,840 together. This is how we generally talk 117 00:08:17,840 --> 00:08:18,879 about it when we put the budget 118 00:08:18,879 --> 00:08:21,840 together. Um you can see the um types of 119 00:08:21,840 --> 00:08:24,080 revenue that are discussed here are 25 120 00:08:24,080 --> 00:08:27,520 budget or 25 actuals. the difference 121 00:08:27,520 --> 00:08:29,520 between those. A positive number means 122 00:08:29,520 --> 00:08:31,759 that we brought in more revenue than 123 00:08:31,759 --> 00:08:33,839 anticipated. A negative number means 124 00:08:33,839 --> 00:08:36,959 less um than the budget. 125 00:08:36,959 --> 00:08:40,640 When we built our FY26 budget, we had 126 00:08:40,640 --> 00:08:43,919 done an FY25 forecast. And so there are 127 00:08:43,919 --> 00:08:45,839 areas that we had communicated to you as 128 00:08:45,839 --> 00:08:47,600 the assembly that we thought we were 129 00:08:47,600 --> 00:08:50,080 going to be over or under budget. So 130 00:08:50,080 --> 00:08:52,880 that's what that next column surplus 131 00:08:52,880 --> 00:08:55,040 deficit forecasted means. So, for 132 00:08:55,040 --> 00:08:57,519 charges for services, we thought we were 133 00:08:57,519 --> 00:09:00,080 going to be $350,000 134 00:09:00,080 --> 00:09:02,240 um over budget, have additional revenue 135 00:09:02,240 --> 00:09:05,440 than budgeted. It turns out we had 136 00:09:05,440 --> 00:09:07,440 $823,000 137 00:09:07,440 --> 00:09:11,200 more revenue. So, the newly realized is 138 00:09:11,200 --> 00:09:15,120 the last column, um the $473,000. 139 00:09:15,120 --> 00:09:17,519 So you can see that in the case of our 140 00:09:17,519 --> 00:09:19,920 federal revenue, we actually brought in 141 00:09:19,920 --> 00:09:22,959 less revenue than we forecasted 142 00:09:22,959 --> 00:09:26,640 um or less revenue than was budgeted. 143 00:09:26,640 --> 00:09:30,720 And uh for state um 144 00:09:30,720 --> 00:09:32,240 overall, I'll just I won't read all of 145 00:09:32,240 --> 00:09:34,560 them. The the the big number on this 146 00:09:34,560 --> 00:09:37,200 page is the investment income um where 147 00:09:37,200 --> 00:09:40,160 we had um $4.4 million budgeted. We had 148 00:09:40,160 --> 00:09:44,080 $15 million um actual um interest 149 00:09:44,080 --> 00:09:46,720 earnings. That's 10 million $10.7 150 00:09:46,720 --> 00:09:49,920 million um additional. We had um guessed 151 00:09:49,920 --> 00:09:52,640 it would be about $4 million more. Um it 152 00:09:52,640 --> 00:09:54,880 was actually ended up being $6.7 million 153 00:09:54,880 --> 00:09:57,760 more than we had even forecasted. 154 00:09:57,760 --> 00:10:02,080 Um that has a lot to do with um really, 155 00:10:02,080 --> 00:10:03,440 you know, the Feds had come in and 156 00:10:03,440 --> 00:10:05,519 forecasted or the market had projected 157 00:10:05,519 --> 00:10:06,800 the Feds were going to cut rates 158 00:10:06,800 --> 00:10:08,640 throughout the year. that didn't happen 159 00:10:08,640 --> 00:10:13,440 until September. Um so a lot of um a lot 160 00:10:13,440 --> 00:10:15,839 of things that uh we had anticipated not 161 00:10:15,839 --> 00:10:18,240 being as good as planned and they were 162 00:10:18,240 --> 00:10:22,399 um great. Um additional to that um we 163 00:10:22,399 --> 00:10:26,800 were able to um have uh reimbursements 164 00:10:26,800 --> 00:10:28,959 come in from grants that helped the 165 00:10:28,959 --> 00:10:31,760 general pool earn more revenue um than 166 00:10:31,760 --> 00:10:33,920 we had also forecasted. 167 00:10:33,920 --> 00:10:37,440 Um, we had talked to you about sales tax 168 00:10:37,440 --> 00:10:39,760 um, being less than forecasted by about 169 00:10:39,760 --> 00:10:42,399 $1.2 million when we built the budget. 170 00:10:42,399 --> 00:10:45,920 Um, it actually came in about $700,000 171 00:10:45,920 --> 00:10:48,399 less than the budget. So almost a half a 172 00:10:48,399 --> 00:10:50,720 million better than we had forecasted to 173 00:10:50,720 --> 00:10:53,360 you. Um, so that's just kind of a 174 00:10:53,360 --> 00:10:57,120 rundown of all of the um, various types. 175 00:10:57,120 --> 00:10:58,640 You may be wondering why other is 176 00:10:58,640 --> 00:11:00,079 negative. A lot of that has to do with 177 00:11:00,079 --> 00:11:01,920 that's where we categorize bad debt 178 00:11:01,920 --> 00:11:04,000 where we think we're going to write off 179 00:11:04,000 --> 00:11:06,480 um revenue. So it um is budgeted as a 180 00:11:06,480 --> 00:11:09,440 negative. We actually um amongst a lot 181 00:11:09,440 --> 00:11:10,959 of different kinds of other revenue 182 00:11:10,959 --> 00:11:12,800 ended up um having a positive position 183 00:11:12,800 --> 00:11:19,509 at the end of the year. 184 00:11:19,519 --> 00:11:21,680 Uh we like to look at sales tax. Um 185 00:11:21,680 --> 00:11:23,040 we're going to talk about sales tax a 186 00:11:23,040 --> 00:11:25,040 lot. So we're calling this out. The 187 00:11:25,040 --> 00:11:27,200 green bar 71 million is our actual 188 00:11:27,200 --> 00:11:31,040 revenue. Our FY26 budget is $71.3 189 00:11:31,040 --> 00:11:33,519 million in revenue. The purple bar at 190 00:11:33,519 --> 00:11:36,079 the end is the um forecasted revenue 191 00:11:36,079 --> 00:11:39,279 given the um the exemptions that were 192 00:11:39,279 --> 00:11:41,920 passed with the ballot. Um a question 193 00:11:41,920 --> 00:11:43,519 that we often get asked was well how did 194 00:11:43,519 --> 00:11:47,040 the summer fare for us? Um last Friday 195 00:11:47,040 --> 00:11:49,920 was the due date for sales tax that was 196 00:11:49,920 --> 00:11:52,640 collected July, August, and September. 197 00:11:52,640 --> 00:11:54,480 So I won't know the results of that for 198 00:11:54,480 --> 00:11:57,680 another few weeks. But the next slide um 199 00:11:57,680 --> 00:11:59,760 breaks out all of the sales tax 200 00:11:59,760 --> 00:12:01,680 collections by quarter. So you can see 201 00:12:01,680 --> 00:12:04,800 that April, May, June 202 00:12:04,800 --> 00:12:08,959 um revenue in sales tax was um pretty 203 00:12:08,959 --> 00:12:10,320 much in line with what we'd seen the 204 00:12:10,320 --> 00:12:12,560 last couple years. So while we had kind 205 00:12:12,560 --> 00:12:15,200 of been hearing rumblings that um it was 206 00:12:15,200 --> 00:12:18,000 expecting a soft summer um it turned, 207 00:12:18,000 --> 00:12:19,680 you know, the reality was it it came in 208 00:12:19,680 --> 00:12:21,279 about where it has been the last few 209 00:12:21,279 --> 00:12:24,310 years. 210 00:12:24,320 --> 00:12:27,040 on the expense side of the house. Um 211 00:12:27,040 --> 00:12:28,959 these are our different categories of 212 00:12:28,959 --> 00:12:32,480 expense and our budgeted amount, our 213 00:12:32,480 --> 00:12:37,279 actual amount and um the over under. So 214 00:12:37,279 --> 00:12:40,560 in personnel services we budgeted 63.5 215 00:12:40,560 --> 00:12:43,519 million there was 58.3 million actually 216 00:12:43,519 --> 00:12:46,079 expended. So we were 5.2 million under 217 00:12:46,079 --> 00:12:48,399 budget. Again, when we prepared our 218 00:12:48,399 --> 00:12:51,600 forecast for you preparing for FY26, we 219 00:12:51,600 --> 00:12:53,200 had anticipated that we would end up 220 00:12:53,200 --> 00:12:56,079 being about $4.5 million under budget. 221 00:12:56,079 --> 00:12:59,680 So, we realized about another $725,000 222 00:12:59,680 --> 00:13:02,480 worth of savings from um salaries, 223 00:13:02,480 --> 00:13:04,720 wages, benefits, unspent in the 224 00:13:04,720 --> 00:13:06,720 commodity and services. Um I broke these 225 00:13:06,720 --> 00:13:09,279 out into um just kind of bigger groups 226 00:13:09,279 --> 00:13:13,040 so you can see where those landed. Um 227 00:13:13,040 --> 00:13:14,880 the I will say about the community and 228 00:13:14,880 --> 00:13:17,760 youth grants um some of the assembly 229 00:13:17,760 --> 00:13:20,480 grants that you have awarded um you 230 00:13:20,480 --> 00:13:23,279 awarded a larger sum that were distri 231 00:13:23,279 --> 00:13:27,839 distributed over multiple years. So the total sum is in the budget although 232 00:13:27,839 --> 00:13:29,920 just a portion was distributed and so 233 00:13:29,920 --> 00:13:33,360 that shows as being um an underbudget 234 00:13:33,360 --> 00:13:36,240 that um basically rolls forward into 26 235 00:13:36,240 --> 00:13:37,680 and we know that that's going to be 236 00:13:37,680 --> 00:13:39,839 again expended partially in 26 and 237 00:13:39,839 --> 00:13:42,000 partly in 27. Um those are three-year 238 00:13:42,000 --> 00:13:44,800 awards. Um and so that's that's the big 239 00:13:44,800 --> 00:13:47,040 driver in your under budget there in the 240 00:13:47,040 --> 00:13:50,959 youth and community grants. Overall 241 00:13:50,959 --> 00:13:53,600 um we were um about $1 million under in 242 00:13:53,600 --> 00:13:56,000 our spending. We had planned um and 243 00:13:56,000 --> 00:13:58,959 forecasted for about five 5.2 of that. 244 00:13:58,959 --> 00:14:01,680 And so um we realized an additional 5.8 245 00:14:01,680 --> 00:14:05,440 million in savings um from under spent. 246 00:14:05,440 --> 00:14:09,120 um we will look at it at these a little 247 00:14:09,120 --> 00:14:13,040 bit um in detail. So with respect to the 248 00:14:13,040 --> 00:14:16,959 um personnel laps or um salary savings, 249 00:14:16,959 --> 00:14:18,240 however you want to think about it. So 250 00:14:18,240 --> 00:14:22,079 we had an amount budgeted for personnel 251 00:14:22,079 --> 00:14:24,160 and we didn't expend all of it. Here are 252 00:14:24,160 --> 00:14:26,880 the departments that um had the larger 253 00:14:26,880 --> 00:14:29,600 portions of the under spending. Um so 254 00:14:29,600 --> 00:14:31,680 police and fire have typically um led 255 00:14:31,680 --> 00:14:34,480 the way. transit was a big um number 256 00:14:34,480 --> 00:14:35,920 community community development and 257 00:14:35,920 --> 00:14:39,199 finance um kind of rounded that out um 258 00:14:39,199 --> 00:14:41,839 also with streets 259 00:14:41,839 --> 00:14:45,040 comparatively um you can look at um the 260 00:14:45,040 --> 00:14:47,519 25 laps of some of the big departments 261 00:14:47,519 --> 00:14:51,120 compared to the 24 laps and um some 262 00:14:51,120 --> 00:14:52,720 departments are experiencing more some 263 00:14:52,720 --> 00:14:54,160 departments are experiencing less. 264 00:14:54,160 --> 00:14:56,240 finance. For example, we had almost 265 00:14:56,240 --> 00:14:59,680 $600,000 worth of laps in 24 and only 266 00:14:59,680 --> 00:15:03,839 about 300,000 in um FI25. 267 00:15:03,839 --> 00:15:06,240 Um as I just said, like in our 268 00:15:06,240 --> 00:15:08,000 accounting team, we were able to retain 269 00:15:08,000 --> 00:15:10,720 most of our accountants. So um you know, 270 00:15:10,720 --> 00:15:12,160 departments are experiencing some of 271 00:15:12,160 --> 00:15:14,480 that. The percentage is the percent of 272 00:15:14,480 --> 00:15:17,440 their department personnel services. And 273 00:15:17,440 --> 00:15:20,000 so just think of that as a um you can 274 00:15:20,000 --> 00:15:22,880 look at just the number or the slice um 275 00:15:22,880 --> 00:15:25,600 of their personnel budget that was 276 00:15:25,600 --> 00:15:30,790 savings. 277 00:15:30,800 --> 00:15:33,199 » Mayor Welen, 278 00:15:33,199 --> 00:15:36,399 >> thank you for that. I just um I'd asked 279 00:15:36,399 --> 00:15:37,839 you this earlier about the police. You 280 00:15:37,839 --> 00:15:39,040 want to explain that a little bit 281 00:15:39,040 --> 00:15:41,360 because um we know that our police isn't 282 00:15:41,360 --> 00:15:44,320 fully staffed. 283 00:15:44,320 --> 00:15:47,600 >> Yeah. So um you can see police and fire 284 00:15:47,600 --> 00:15:49,519 um are are both kind of represented the 285 00:15:49,519 --> 00:15:50,720 same way in the numbers. You can see 286 00:15:50,720 --> 00:15:54,320 their their 24 laps was 1.5 for police, 287 00:15:54,320 --> 00:15:58,720 1.7 for fire and in FI25 it was 1.2 and 288 00:15:58,720 --> 00:16:02,800 1.4 million. So their dollar lapsing is 289 00:16:02,800 --> 00:16:05,600 less but their percentage changed um a 290 00:16:05,600 --> 00:16:07,680 bit and that has to do with how big 291 00:16:07,680 --> 00:16:10,880 their personnel services budget was. So 292 00:16:10,880 --> 00:16:12,880 in FY25 293 00:16:12,880 --> 00:16:17,199 1.3 1.4 million was only 8% of the 294 00:16:17,199 --> 00:16:20,720 personnel budget in total for police 295 00:16:20,720 --> 00:16:24,399 whereas um in FI24 they had a larger 296 00:16:24,399 --> 00:16:43,829 dollar amount associated 297 00:16:43,839 --> 00:16:46,399 Okay, so 298 00:16:46,399 --> 00:16:49,440 let me rephrase what I was just saying. 299 00:16:49,440 --> 00:16:51,199 Um, it's been a while since I put these 300 00:16:51,199 --> 00:16:53,759 together in FY25. I'm sorry. I'm 301 00:16:53,759 --> 00:16:55,199 comparing apples and oranges for you, 302 00:16:55,199 --> 00:16:58,720 and that is bad on my part. So, I will 303 00:16:58,720 --> 00:17:01,680 um follow up with um apples and apples. 304 00:17:01,680 --> 00:17:04,000 The dollars are apples to apples. The 305 00:17:04,000 --> 00:17:07,199 percent in FY25 is the percent of the 306 00:17:07,199 --> 00:17:09,199 laps of the department ser of the 307 00:17:09,199 --> 00:17:11,760 department's personal services and the 308 00:17:11,760 --> 00:17:13,600 24 laps was actually the percentage of 309 00:17:13,600 --> 00:17:16,720 the whole more like what we saw here. So 310 00:17:16,720 --> 00:17:18,400 sorry to put those apples and oranges 311 00:17:18,400 --> 00:17:19,919 together. 312 00:17:19,919 --> 00:17:23,520 Um focus on the dollar values there. So 313 00:17:23,520 --> 00:17:27,760 it's dollars to dollars for for sure. 314 00:17:27,760 --> 00:17:29,520 >> Miss Hugh Scandies. 315 00:17:29,520 --> 00:17:34,559 >> Thanks Madam Chair. So to talk about the 316 00:17:34,559 --> 00:17:36,480 apple for a second just so I'm clear I 317 00:17:36,480 --> 00:17:38,400 can focus on the dollar amount and 318 00:17:38,400 --> 00:17:43,200 that's giving me apples to apples 8% 319 00:17:43,200 --> 00:17:46,320 of their personnel budget only their 320 00:17:46,320 --> 00:17:48,240 personnel budget is what I'm looking at 321 00:17:48,240 --> 00:17:49,600 and 25 yes 322 00:17:49,600 --> 00:17:52,160 >> and 24 is the percent of their total 323 00:17:52,160 --> 00:17:53,200 budget that's 324 00:17:53,200 --> 00:17:55,200 >> is the percent of all of the personnel 325 00:17:55,200 --> 00:17:56,559 labs so 326 00:17:56,559 --> 00:17:58,400 >> oh of all the personnel got it 327 00:17:58,400 --> 00:18:00,559 >> similar to here where they were out a 328 00:18:00,559 --> 00:18:02,880 quarter of the entire personal savings. 329 00:18:02,880 --> 00:18:05,600 >> That was the same um roughly the same 330 00:18:05,600 --> 00:18:06,320 last year. 331 00:18:06,320 --> 00:18:06,799 >> Great. 332 00:18:06,799 --> 00:18:08,799 >> So, sorry to do apples to oranges on you 333 00:18:08,799 --> 00:18:09,200 there. 334 00:18:09,200 --> 00:18:12,160 >> No, that's helpful. 335 00:18:12,160 --> 00:18:15,520 >> I'll ask a 336 00:18:15,520 --> 00:18:19,102 different question on this topic. 337 00:18:19,102 --> 00:18:20,480 [clears throat] 338 00:18:20,480 --> 00:18:23,840 You know, I remember 339 00:18:23,840 --> 00:18:25,360 when I first started the assembly, it 340 00:18:25,360 --> 00:18:26,720 was in the middle of the pandemic. you 341 00:18:26,720 --> 00:18:29,440 know, we we budgeted for a $1 million 342 00:18:29,440 --> 00:18:31,120 lapse. 343 00:18:31,120 --> 00:18:33,280 We were like, it's, you know, things 344 00:18:33,280 --> 00:18:35,200 were it was the pandemic. There's a lot 345 00:18:35,200 --> 00:18:39,520 of wild things happening with our um, 346 00:18:39,520 --> 00:18:40,960 you know, across the country in terms of 347 00:18:40,960 --> 00:18:42,799 employment. 348 00:18:42,799 --> 00:18:45,280 Now, we've seen several years in a row 349 00:18:45,280 --> 00:18:47,679 post pandemic at, you know, a much 350 00:18:47,679 --> 00:18:50,000 larger number in terms of what our lapse 351 00:18:50,000 --> 00:18:53,840 is. Do we feel like this is 352 00:18:53,840 --> 00:18:57,120 just the new normal or 353 00:18:57,120 --> 00:19:01,110 in terms of 354 00:19:01,120 --> 00:19:03,840 regular turnover in the department or is 355 00:19:03,840 --> 00:19:06,559 this really being driven by 356 00:19:06,559 --> 00:19:08,240 um 357 00:19:08,240 --> 00:19:14,960 you know our three big departments. 358 00:19:14,960 --> 00:19:19,120 Um thank you for that question. Um 359 00:19:19,120 --> 00:19:22,160 with respect to how we budget personnel 360 00:19:22,160 --> 00:19:24,160 and the anticipated lapse within 361 00:19:24,160 --> 00:19:26,960 personnel budget, um we have over the 362 00:19:26,960 --> 00:19:29,679 last couple of years um looked more 363 00:19:29,679 --> 00:19:32,880 closely at the department's historical 364 00:19:32,880 --> 00:19:35,440 trends in how they've been able to fill 365 00:19:35,440 --> 00:19:39,760 positions and adjusted the amount of 366 00:19:39,760 --> 00:19:43,840 expected savings in personnel um 367 00:19:43,840 --> 00:19:45,600 accordingly. 368 00:19:45,600 --> 00:19:47,120 um 369 00:19:47,120 --> 00:19:50,320 to what they've experienced. So 370 00:19:50,320 --> 00:19:52,720 for instance in in finance we may have 371 00:19:52,720 --> 00:19:56,160 only budgeted 1% of our personnel as a 372 00:19:56,160 --> 00:19:58,640 lapse and looking at where we had been 373 00:19:58,640 --> 00:20:01,440 over several years we increased that to 374 00:20:01,440 --> 00:20:06,880 5% last year. And so for um 375 00:20:06,880 --> 00:20:10,160 we're we're spending um more time 376 00:20:10,160 --> 00:20:12,080 looking at that historical trend but 377 00:20:12,080 --> 00:20:13,679 also in conversation with the 378 00:20:13,679 --> 00:20:15,919 departments to understand what's 379 00:20:15,919 --> 00:20:19,039 changing. Um you know the uh CCFR 380 00:20:19,039 --> 00:20:21,120 implemented a new program this year and 381 00:20:21,120 --> 00:20:23,919 just um you know brought five folks on 382 00:20:23,919 --> 00:20:27,039 as um having passed their EMT. Um, so 383 00:20:27,039 --> 00:20:28,799 they're doing things to kind of change 384 00:20:28,799 --> 00:20:31,520 the dynamic of their vacancies. And so 385 00:20:31,520 --> 00:20:34,480 it's it's looking historically, but also 386 00:20:34,480 --> 00:20:35,919 um with that conversation of what 387 00:20:35,919 --> 00:20:37,039 they're what they're trying to do 388 00:20:37,039 --> 00:20:40,240 differently to try to to put that in 389 00:20:40,240 --> 00:20:43,120 anticipated lapse in the right ballpark 390 00:20:43,120 --> 00:20:45,440 so that we're not seeing um 391 00:20:45,440 --> 00:20:52,710 unanticipated lapses year-over-year. 392 00:20:52,720 --> 00:20:54,559 Okay, we'll move on to non-personal 393 00:20:54,559 --> 00:21:00,240 lapses. Um this is broken out by um the 394 00:21:00,240 --> 00:21:02,799 departments and divisions. Um this is 395 00:21:02,799 --> 00:21:05,600 the amount of their everything not 396 00:21:05,600 --> 00:21:07,520 personnel that they didn't spend out of 397 00:21:07,520 --> 00:21:11,120 their budget um and the percent of that 398 00:21:11,120 --> 00:21:14,000 department or division's um budget that 399 00:21:14,000 --> 00:21:16,080 was lapsed. And we've also called out in 400 00:21:16,080 --> 00:21:17,200 a couple places where there's some 401 00:21:17,200 --> 00:21:19,440 onetime spending um because that's 402 00:21:19,440 --> 00:21:20,960 important to understand that, you know, 403 00:21:20,960 --> 00:21:23,039 like in the manager's office, they had 404 00:21:23,039 --> 00:21:24,640 $325,000 405 00:21:24,640 --> 00:21:29,120 of um unspent budget. $182,000 of that 406 00:21:29,120 --> 00:21:31,039 was a contingency line that we had 407 00:21:31,039 --> 00:21:32,960 budgeted and we ended up not needing to 408 00:21:32,960 --> 00:21:35,840 use all of it um as it related to the 409 00:21:35,840 --> 00:21:37,600 MUN way facility and and some 410 00:21:37,600 --> 00:21:40,640 adjustments that needed to have there. 411 00:21:40,640 --> 00:21:43,840 Um, as we looked through this data, 412 00:21:43,840 --> 00:21:46,720 there wasn't any like one huge driver 413 00:21:46,720 --> 00:21:49,520 of, oh, this happened or we we planned 414 00:21:49,520 --> 00:21:51,760 for this and across the board, these 415 00:21:51,760 --> 00:21:54,720 things didn't come true. Um, as we 416 00:21:54,720 --> 00:21:56,960 looked at um where there were savings, 417 00:21:56,960 --> 00:21:59,200 it was little bits and pieces of 418 00:21:59,200 --> 00:22:01,200 everything everywhere. Um, you know, 419 00:22:01,200 --> 00:22:03,840 just, you know, even looking at streets 420 00:22:03,840 --> 00:22:06,000 there. Um, look at the winter that we 421 00:22:06,000 --> 00:22:08,720 had last year compared to the snow snow 422 00:22:08,720 --> 00:22:10,559 apocalypse that we had the year before. 423 00:22:10,559 --> 00:22:13,600 So just, you know, less, you know, less 424 00:22:13,600 --> 00:22:15,840 chemicals, less gravel, those things. 425 00:22:15,840 --> 00:22:17,760 Um, so there wasn't anything that that 426 00:22:17,760 --> 00:22:20,720 stood out as um big red flags amongst um 427 00:22:20,720 --> 00:22:22,880 these savings. Just little little things 428 00:22:22,880 --> 00:22:27,360 here and there that added up. 429 00:22:27,360 --> 00:22:29,200 We always want we spend a lot of time 430 00:22:29,200 --> 00:22:32,240 talking about our um general government 431 00:22:32,240 --> 00:22:35,360 um departments and funds. Um it's also 432 00:22:35,360 --> 00:22:36,720 important to look at our non-general 433 00:22:36,720 --> 00:22:39,679 government um expenses. Um so these are 434 00:22:39,679 --> 00:22:43,840 the um departments andor um divisions 435 00:22:43,840 --> 00:22:46,400 functions that um are not general funds. 436 00:22:46,400 --> 00:22:48,640 So we have the FI25 budget, the actuals 437 00:22:48,640 --> 00:22:50,559 and again these are just focused on 438 00:22:50,559 --> 00:22:52,240 expenses. So if they're over budget or 439 00:22:52,240 --> 00:22:54,799 under budget, um I want to point out 440 00:22:54,799 --> 00:22:57,039 that fleet 441 00:22:57,039 --> 00:23:01,760 is not um is is a tiny piece of 442 00:23:01,760 --> 00:23:04,480 operational, but that is where we budget 443 00:23:04,480 --> 00:23:08,080 and purchase large equipment um 444 00:23:08,080 --> 00:23:10,799 vehicles. And so we we see every year 445 00:23:10,799 --> 00:23:14,159 that we plan for things to come in um 446 00:23:14,159 --> 00:23:16,720 and you know certain and we just have a 447 00:23:16,720 --> 00:23:18,400 lot of stuff that don't make it in the 448 00:23:18,400 --> 00:23:19,919 one-year time frame. Some of that is 449 00:23:19,919 --> 00:23:21,280 large pieces of equipment that take 450 00:23:21,280 --> 00:23:27,360 longer to even build. Um, but that's that large number um there that 451 00:23:27,360 --> 00:23:33,909 kind of stands out um as an anomaly. 452 00:23:33,919 --> 00:23:36,320 » Brooks. 453 00:23:36,320 --> 00:23:39,840 >> Thank Thank you, Madam Chair. Uh I just 454 00:23:39,840 --> 00:23:43,280 had a question about uh wastewater 455 00:23:43,280 --> 00:23:46,559 coming in 14% under it. There's 456 00:23:46,559 --> 00:23:48,400 obviously a lot of work that still needs 457 00:23:48,400 --> 00:23:51,520 to be done within wastewater. Is there 458 00:23:51,520 --> 00:23:54,720 uh a reason it wasn't reallocated to 459 00:23:54,720 --> 00:23:56,400 some other projects within the 460 00:23:56,400 --> 00:23:59,750 department? 461 00:23:59,760 --> 00:24:01,760 » Uh it's a good question. Um some of the 462 00:24:01,760 --> 00:24:03,440 member books um I don't have all of the 463 00:24:03,440 --> 00:24:05,520 details on Wistro. I know that part of 464 00:24:05,520 --> 00:24:08,080 their um part of their savings overall 465 00:24:08,080 --> 00:24:10,240 is personnel laps. Um I know that they 466 00:24:10,240 --> 00:24:11,600 are a department that struggles to keep 467 00:24:11,600 --> 00:24:13,919 their positions filled. Um, and then 468 00:24:13,919 --> 00:24:18,640 they would have associated supplies and services to go with that. 469 00:24:18,640 --> 00:24:23,350 >> Thank you, 470 00:24:23,360 --> 00:24:25,279 » Miss Hughes Candies. [clears throat] 471 00:24:25,279 --> 00:24:26,720 Thanks, Madam Chair, for your 472 00:24:26,720 --> 00:24:29,360 indulgence. Miss Flick, I didn't realize 473 00:24:29,360 --> 00:24:31,520 you'd advance the page. If I'm just 474 00:24:31,520 --> 00:24:34,080 looking at the previous one, and I'm 475 00:24:34,080 --> 00:24:36,640 just curious, you know, I have my own 476 00:24:36,640 --> 00:24:38,880 curiosities with each department and I'm 477 00:24:38,880 --> 00:24:40,159 not going to say, well, what about this 478 00:24:40,159 --> 00:24:42,400 one and what about that one? But is 479 00:24:42,400 --> 00:24:47,200 there generally if I look at 480 00:24:47,200 --> 00:24:49,760 is there a general theme across some of 481 00:24:49,760 --> 00:24:52,640 these departments where they're in the 482 00:24:52,640 --> 00:24:56,320 same sort of ballpark 483 00:24:56,320 --> 00:24:58,720 and it's less obvious than like streets. 484 00:24:58,720 --> 00:25:00,559 you know, they're buying salt and gravel 485 00:25:00,559 --> 00:25:03,200 or whatever they're buying that it's 486 00:25:03,200 --> 00:25:05,440 things like supplies or they have like 487 00:25:05,440 --> 00:25:08,400 similar categories of what they lapsed 488 00:25:08,400 --> 00:25:11,760 on or is it really unique to each 489 00:25:11,760 --> 00:25:13,520 department? And if you don't know that 490 00:25:13,520 --> 00:25:15,919 off the top of your head, I can just in 491 00:25:15,919 --> 00:25:18,159 private ask about a couple. 492 00:25:18,159 --> 00:25:20,400 >> Um, thank you, Miss Huskandies. Um, we 493 00:25:20,400 --> 00:25:21,679 should probably just talk offline about 494 00:25:21,679 --> 00:25:23,919 the ones that you're curious about. As 495 00:25:23,919 --> 00:25:26,240 we as we looked through these, we didn't 496 00:25:26,240 --> 00:25:29,360 see like an overall theme like um 497 00:25:29,360 --> 00:25:31,760 everybody had conferences travel or 498 00:25:31,760 --> 00:25:35,200 conferences canceled or you know this 499 00:25:35,200 --> 00:25:36,880 big thing happened across the board. So 500 00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:39,200 we just we didn't see that a trend or a 501 00:25:39,200 --> 00:25:41,760 theme that that kind of weave through 502 00:25:41,760 --> 00:25:44,559 any of them but be happy to look at 503 00:25:44,559 --> 00:25:45,840 specifics where you have where you're 504 00:25:45,840 --> 00:25:46,559 curious. 505 00:25:46,559 --> 00:25:48,960 >> Okay, that helps. Thanks 506 00:25:48,960 --> 00:25:50,960 >> Mr. Steininger. 507 00:25:50,960 --> 00:25:53,840 Um similar question on trends and seams. 508 00:25:53,840 --> 00:25:57,279 Um is this do you see kind of 509 00:25:57,279 --> 00:26:00,559 consistently departments or divisions 510 00:26:00,559 --> 00:26:02,880 year-over-year having kind of similar 511 00:26:02,880 --> 00:26:06,880 levels of lapse or is it does it vary up 512 00:26:06,880 --> 00:26:08,640 and down quite a bit? Like have you done 513 00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:11,039 kind of a backwards look over a couple 514 00:26:11,039 --> 00:26:12,400 of years? 515 00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:14,240 >> I don't u Mr. Singer I don't know that 516 00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:16,720 we've um really looked across a couple 517 00:26:16,720 --> 00:26:18,960 years and across specific things. I know 518 00:26:18,960 --> 00:26:20,159 every year as we're preparing the 519 00:26:20,159 --> 00:26:22,880 budget, we look um at what they're 520 00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:24,640 requesting. We look at what historically 521 00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:27,440 they've spent, where we've seen those 522 00:26:27,440 --> 00:26:29,760 trends, looking at those um very 523 00:26:29,760 --> 00:26:31,919 granular details and we have those 524 00:26:31,919 --> 00:26:33,760 conversations with the departments as 525 00:26:33,760 --> 00:26:38,310 we're developing the budget. 526 00:26:38,320 --> 00:26:40,559 » I just will add having built a couple of 527 00:26:40,559 --> 00:26:42,559 these budgets now and then before as 528 00:26:42,559 --> 00:26:44,159 engineering and public works director, 529 00:26:44,159 --> 00:26:47,039 we are often aspirational in what we can 530 00:26:47,039 --> 00:26:49,679 get accomplished. So, for example, if we 531 00:26:49,679 --> 00:26:52,320 have plans uh I'll just use the this 532 00:26:52,320 --> 00:26:54,080 year budget example. We are going to 533 00:26:54,080 --> 00:26:56,480 renovate our red do our website. Well, 534 00:26:56,480 --> 00:26:57,919 we put money in this year's operating 535 00:26:57,919 --> 00:26:59,760 budget to redo our website and we will 536 00:26:59,760 --> 00:27:01,440 start on that project, but we will not 537 00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:03,440 finish that project within this year. 538 00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:05,440 So, that would be an example of and you 539 00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:07,440 have that in lots of line items, right? 540 00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:10,640 projects that uh don't get finished um 541 00:27:10,640 --> 00:27:12,320 and and that then you know have to be 542 00:27:12,320 --> 00:27:13,600 carried over to the next year which 543 00:27:13,600 --> 00:27:15,760 means we have to ask you for authority 544 00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:18,640 again to put those in the budget. So I 545 00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:19,840 think there are a lot of those pieces 546 00:27:19,840 --> 00:27:21,360 and it really reflects our budget 547 00:27:21,360 --> 00:27:24,080 culture which I'm proud of where 548 00:27:24,080 --> 00:27:26,000 departments don't feel like they have to 549 00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:28,960 rush to hurry up to spend uh all the 550 00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:30,480 money so that they can justify getting 551 00:27:30,480 --> 00:27:32,240 that money in the next line item. And I 552 00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:33,840 know that's something we talked about 553 00:27:33,840 --> 00:27:35,919 before, but I just want to reiterate it 554 00:27:35,919 --> 00:27:38,080 because um you know I suspect that that 555 00:27:38,080 --> 00:27:40,400 that'll be an area to to tighten and 556 00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:42,159 that will have an impact on our budget 557 00:27:42,159 --> 00:27:48,950 culture. 558 00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:52,960 Okay. Uh we covered this slide. So um 559 00:27:52,960 --> 00:27:54,799 we'll move to kind of wrapping up. Um 560 00:27:54,799 --> 00:27:57,840 this is the budget summary that um you 561 00:27:57,840 --> 00:27:59,679 all have in the back of your budget book 562 00:27:59,679 --> 00:28:04,399 every year. Um, so just 563 00:28:04,399 --> 00:28:06,960 can't see my mouse move. So, um, this 564 00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:08,960 starts with FY24, but if you go down a 565 00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:11,039 couple lines, 25 is what I want to focus 566 00:28:11,039 --> 00:28:12,799 on. 567 00:28:12,799 --> 00:28:17,120 This outlines, um, the 568 00:28:17,120 --> 00:28:20,559 budget summary as we had prepared it 569 00:28:20,559 --> 00:28:24,799 moving into the FY26 budget. So, this is 570 00:28:24,799 --> 00:28:27,840 what we thought was going to happen. and 571 00:28:27,840 --> 00:28:29,840 of particular notice. You'll notice um 572 00:28:29,840 --> 00:28:32,480 the last um last three columns over on 573 00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:34,399 the right hand side, the unrestricted 574 00:28:34,399 --> 00:28:35,840 fund balance and the restricted fund 575 00:28:35,840 --> 00:28:38,000 balance. So when we finished when we 576 00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:39,919 were getting ready to work with you 577 00:28:39,919 --> 00:28:43,440 about the FY26 budget, we expected we 578 00:28:43,440 --> 00:28:45,919 would end FY25 579 00:28:45,919 --> 00:28:49,039 with 20 million in unrestricted fund 580 00:28:49,039 --> 00:28:52,799 balance and 16 a half in the restricted 581 00:28:52,799 --> 00:28:55,840 fund balance. So this is just a recap of 582 00:28:55,840 --> 00:28:58,240 what um you saw when we were preparing 583 00:28:58,240 --> 00:29:01,679 the budget for FY26. 584 00:29:01,679 --> 00:29:04,880 The next page is what actually happened. 585 00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:07,840 So these have been updated for the FY25 586 00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:10,480 actuals. And so everything that we've 587 00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:12,399 just talked about is incorporated here 588 00:29:12,399 --> 00:29:16,799 in slightly um different words um just 589 00:29:16,799 --> 00:29:19,039 summarized a little bit differently. Um 590 00:29:19,039 --> 00:29:21,120 but you can see that our ending 591 00:29:21,120 --> 00:29:23,360 unrestricted fund balance is actually 592 00:29:23,360 --> 00:29:25,279 31.4 593 00:29:25,279 --> 00:29:27,919 and your restricted um fund balance 594 00:29:27,919 --> 00:29:30,880 restricted funds reserve is also um sold 595 00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:33,440 as 16 12. So I'm just going to pull from 596 00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:36,240 the page before that last line so you 597 00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:38,399 can just see them side by side. And I 598 00:29:38,399 --> 00:29:39,760 know it looks kind of funny on your 599 00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:41,919 printed page. Um but the difference 600 00:29:41,919 --> 00:29:44,399 there is an $1 million increase in your 601 00:29:44,399 --> 00:29:47,200 unrestricted fund balance. 602 00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:50,640 So, that's our FY25 ending, but you've 603 00:29:50,640 --> 00:29:52,720 already moved into FY26 and you've 604 00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:55,679 already made decisions about the FY26 605 00:29:55,679 --> 00:29:57,679 um budget and there have been ordinances 606 00:29:57,679 --> 00:30:00,960 that have come through and so um the 607 00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:02,960 last page in this presentation shows the 608 00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:04,559 FY26 609 00:30:04,559 --> 00:30:07,120 adopted budget, the items that have come 610 00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:09,760 through a supplemental appropriations 611 00:30:09,760 --> 00:30:11,679 and then um things that we're already 612 00:30:11,679 --> 00:30:14,480 aware of um that we're we're including 613 00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:17,279 in our forecast And one of the things 614 00:30:17,279 --> 00:30:20,640 you can see in the yellow is um we've 615 00:30:20,640 --> 00:30:22,799 worked into the budget our anticipated 616 00:30:22,799 --> 00:30:25,760 revenue loss based on our estimates for 617 00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:28,399 the exemptions on um the sales tax that 618 00:30:28,399 --> 00:30:30,960 were recently passed. And so you'll see 619 00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:34,480 with that revenue reduction included um 620 00:30:34,480 --> 00:30:37,360 we anticipate without any other changes 621 00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:40,159 the ending fund your your unrestricted 622 00:30:40,159 --> 00:30:42,720 fund balance to be at 15 million. um 623 00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:44,399 your restricted fund balance has changed 624 00:30:44,399 --> 00:30:48,320 to 17.3 and that's um partly because um 625 00:30:48,320 --> 00:30:53,039 you did make a um a contribution to the 626 00:30:53,039 --> 00:30:55,120 restricted reserve but then we also 627 00:30:55,120 --> 00:30:58,000 pulled out the reserve for the Eagle 628 00:30:58,000 --> 00:31:01,520 Crest um deficit and then um with the 629 00:31:01,520 --> 00:31:03,279 deappropriation 630 00:31:03,279 --> 00:31:07,120 of the Eagle Crest um 631 00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:09,120 operating budget that recently went 632 00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:12,320 through after their staffing change. um 633 00:31:12,320 --> 00:31:14,960 those all combined um changed your bud 634 00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:17,520 your restricted reserve from 16 and a 635 00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:20,320 half to 17.4 and I can show that 636 00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:22,480 differently um in a different way if we 637 00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:23,760 need to but that's kind of the summary 638 00:31:23,760 --> 00:31:27,600 of how how that number changed 639 00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:30,880 >> Miss Hugh Gandes thanks Madame Chair 640 00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:32,720 just a question to help me think through 641 00:31:32,720 --> 00:31:35,679 that I think I'm tracking with you but 642 00:31:35,679 --> 00:31:38,720 our expectation 643 00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:41,919 at the time 644 00:31:41,919 --> 00:31:45,039 that we finished that budget. 645 00:31:45,039 --> 00:31:50,720 We had said I'm on page 21 of the packet 646 00:31:50,720 --> 00:31:56,630 was 16 647 00:31:56,640 --> 00:32:02,549 and they're restricted. That's correct. 648 00:32:02,559 --> 00:32:03,919 Well, I'm looking at this now. I'm 649 00:32:03,919 --> 00:32:08,000 looking at 25 and I see 20 650 00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:10,799 in the restricted and 16.8 8 in the 651 00:32:10,799 --> 00:32:13,760 unrestricted there you if you can see 652 00:32:13,760 --> 00:32:15,760 that line 653 00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:18,559 so does that I'm trying to make that 654 00:32:18,559 --> 00:32:22,720 square with the 655 00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:25,200 three per 3 million contribution that we 656 00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:27,679 made to the restricted because I would 657 00:32:27,679 --> 00:32:30,640 you know we did that before we passed 658 00:32:30,640 --> 00:32:33,679 the budget so I would expect to see that 659 00:32:33,679 --> 00:32:36,720 in like what we expect before we got 660 00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:39,039 Eagle Crest involved in it so I'm just 661 00:32:39,039 --> 00:32:41,679 trying to follow the math from that. 662 00:32:41,679 --> 00:32:45,039 >> So, um the math on that and um this is 663 00:32:45,039 --> 00:32:47,120 in the the published budget book which 664 00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:49,360 will take me a minute to pull up, but if 665 00:32:49,360 --> 00:32:50,880 we need to, we can have Miss Windle 666 00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:52,960 share her screen. Um you made a 667 00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:55,600 contribution of 3.3 million for the 668 00:32:55,600 --> 00:32:58,799 budget process. um as part of the budget 669 00:32:58,799 --> 00:33:01,039 process when the decision was made to 670 00:33:01,039 --> 00:33:03,760 allow Eagler Crest to run a deficit 671 00:33:03,760 --> 00:33:06,880 that's allowable if we restrict and 672 00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:09,600 additionally reserve funding and the 673 00:33:09,600 --> 00:33:11,279 body had decided that they were going to 674 00:33:11,279 --> 00:33:14,399 restrict the restricted budget reserve. 675 00:33:14,399 --> 00:33:16,559 It's a lot of restrict in there. And so 676 00:33:16,559 --> 00:33:18,559 what we've done is we've pulled that out 677 00:33:18,559 --> 00:33:20,799 of the available balance. So you 678 00:33:20,799 --> 00:33:24,559 increased by 3.3 but you reserved 679 00:33:24,559 --> 00:33:29,029 3,45,800 680 00:33:29,039 --> 00:33:32,320 um which you net those together and and 681 00:33:32,320 --> 00:33:35,919 you roughly have 200,000 $250,000 682 00:33:35,919 --> 00:33:38,399 of an increase to what's in your 683 00:33:38,399 --> 00:33:40,480 restricted budget reserve that you could 684 00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:44,799 use in the future if you needed to. So 685 00:33:44,799 --> 00:33:47,919 that change in addition since you've 686 00:33:47,919 --> 00:33:50,640 approved the budget um Eaglerest has 687 00:33:50,640 --> 00:33:52,640 done their position conversion and with 688 00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:55,840 that realized that the full budget 689 00:33:55,840 --> 00:33:59,360 wasn't required and so a budget 690 00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:01,039 reduction came through which meant that 691 00:34:01,039 --> 00:34:03,600 you didn't have to reserve as much of 692 00:34:03,600 --> 00:34:05,519 your restricted budget reserve and so 693 00:34:05,519 --> 00:34:08,480 that freed up an additional 540,000. 694 00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:11,839 So that math gets you to the 17.3. 695 00:34:11,839 --> 00:34:15,669 Perfect. Thanks. 696 00:34:15,679 --> 00:34:20,079 » I'm gonna have you walk me this similar 697 00:34:20,079 --> 00:34:22,159 journey through the unrestricted fund 698 00:34:22,159 --> 00:34:25,440 balance. Um, 699 00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:29,599 so many memories flooding back here. the 700 00:34:29,599 --> 00:34:37,599 what I took you saying here um is 701 00:34:37,599 --> 00:34:42,800 the 15 something that I can't read under 702 00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:46,000 my notes um 703 00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:48,560 15 15 million under at the very bottom 704 00:34:48,560 --> 00:34:52,480 of the page is what now we would expect 705 00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:57,190 the unrestricted 706 00:34:57,200 --> 00:35:00,079 fund balance balance to be at the end of 707 00:35:00,079 --> 00:35:04,960 fiscal year 26, which takes what we 708 00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:07,599 thought it was going to be 709 00:35:07,599 --> 00:35:12,790 when we set the budget, 710 00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:16,160 plus the additional 711 00:35:16,160 --> 00:35:18,720 um the surplus that we ended up with in 712 00:35:18,720 --> 00:35:23,359 FY25 that we didn't know about 713 00:35:23,359 --> 00:35:26,000 minus our anticipated 714 00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:29,839 changes to sales tax revenue and other 715 00:35:29,839 --> 00:35:32,720 actions that we've taken. 716 00:35:32,720 --> 00:35:40,079 >> That is exactly correct. And the the 23 million that's in the unrestricted 717 00:35:40,079 --> 00:35:42,880 budget fund balance for the assembly 718 00:35:42,880 --> 00:35:46,079 adopted budget is that's what we 719 00:35:46,079 --> 00:35:49,680 anticipated having at the end of FY26 720 00:35:49,680 --> 00:35:53,760 when we passed our budget. That seems 721 00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:56,320 much higher than I remember. So that's 722 00:35:56,320 --> 00:36:02,870 that confused me. 723 00:36:02,880 --> 00:36:08,079 » That's correct. So that that 23 724 00:36:08,079 --> 00:36:11,200 had our assumption 725 00:36:11,200 --> 00:36:14,160 of where we would in 25 726 00:36:14,160 --> 00:36:16,800 plus the changes that were made when we 727 00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:19,839 built the 26 budget. 728 00:36:19,839 --> 00:36:22,160 And I think Miss Wendell is going to 729 00:36:22,160 --> 00:36:24,800 share her screen andor talk with the 730 00:36:24,800 --> 00:36:29,109 numbers specifically in front of her. 731 00:36:29,119 --> 00:36:32,400 » Thank you. Let I'll try to provide a 732 00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:34,160 little clarity here. So, the way that 733 00:36:34,160 --> 00:36:36,240 the budget summary document is formatted 734 00:36:36,240 --> 00:36:41,280 is that um the and and and perhaps we 735 00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:42,880 need to make an adjustment here, but the 736 00:36:42,880 --> 00:36:46,000 assembly adopted budget amount of 23.7 737 00:36:46,000 --> 00:36:47,359 million for the unrestricted fund 738 00:36:47,359 --> 00:36:51,520 balance does actually take into effect 739 00:36:51,520 --> 00:36:54,320 um take into consideration 740 00:36:54,320 --> 00:36:57,599 the larger projected ending fund balance 741 00:36:57,599 --> 00:36:59,760 of FY25. 742 00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:02,160 So, that includes the additional 11 743 00:37:02,160 --> 00:37:03,760 million That [clears throat] that makes 744 00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:04,880 >> why your memory is 745 00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:06,640 >> more sense to me. Okay, that's super 746 00:37:06,640 --> 00:37:13,430 helpful. Thank you. 747 00:37:13,440 --> 00:37:17,040 » Keep rolling. Oh, Mayor Welen, 748 00:37:17,040 --> 00:37:18,480 >> you looked at me, so I'll have to answer 749 00:37:18,480 --> 00:37:21,040 a question. Ask a question. I'm assuming 750 00:37:21,040 --> 00:37:24,640 that the secure rules uh school spending 751 00:37:24,640 --> 00:37:27,680 will probably no longer exist. So, is 752 00:37:27,680 --> 00:37:30,079 that a true statement? 753 00:37:30,079 --> 00:37:32,160 >> Uh, thank you, Mayor Weldon. uh we are 754 00:37:32,160 --> 00:37:35,040 anticipating that we will um not receive 755 00:37:35,040 --> 00:37:37,119 the secure rural schools which is why in 756 00:37:37,119 --> 00:37:40,079 our FY26 projection here we've reduced 757 00:37:40,079 --> 00:37:47,910 our revenue by 523,000 758 00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:51,119 and a followup so those are what about 759 00:37:51,119 --> 00:37:52,640 the 760 00:37:52,640 --> 00:37:54,240 I mean community assistance I assume 761 00:37:54,240 --> 00:37:57,040 it's the same thing tobacco tax revenue 762 00:37:57,040 --> 00:38:00,560 you're estimating 763 00:38:00,560 --> 00:38:03,280 this is you projecting 764 00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:06,880 for the end of the year is a 765 00:38:06,880 --> 00:38:10,000 reduction or is that a policy call that 766 00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:13,040 you know is coming 767 00:38:13,040 --> 00:38:15,680 on the tobacco tax revenue? That's 768 00:38:15,680 --> 00:38:18,079 actually um a reduction to the general 769 00:38:18,079 --> 00:38:22,640 fund because the tobacco tax fund was 770 00:38:22,640 --> 00:38:26,400 significantly under um under budget and 771 00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:28,640 was actually running a negative fund 772 00:38:28,640 --> 00:38:32,560 balance. So, we um reduce the amount of 773 00:38:32,560 --> 00:38:35,520 transfer from the tobacco tax fund to 774 00:38:35,520 --> 00:38:37,839 the general fund to keep it from going 775 00:38:37,839 --> 00:38:45,190 negative. 776 00:38:45,200 --> 00:38:47,680 And if I could just provide um clarity 777 00:38:47,680 --> 00:38:49,680 on the community assistance, um we did 778 00:38:49,680 --> 00:38:51,520 actually receive some. It's just less 779 00:38:51,520 --> 00:38:53,839 than what we budgeted. And so that's the 780 00:38:53,839 --> 00:38:58,950 difference. 781 00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:03,520 Okay. Um, any other questions on the 782 00:39:03,520 --> 00:39:05,599 FY25 783 00:39:05,599 --> 00:39:07,119 update? 784 00:39:07,119 --> 00:39:11,119 And those folks online, I assume if they 785 00:39:11,119 --> 00:39:12,560 raise their hand, I'll be able to see 786 00:39:12,560 --> 00:39:15,599 them. I see your hand, Mr. Smith. Go 787 00:39:15,599 --> 00:39:17,372 ahead. 788 00:39:17,372 --> 00:39:17,440 [clears throat] 789 00:39:17,440 --> 00:39:20,160 >> Thank you, Madam Chair. Um 790 00:39:20,160 --> 00:39:23,280 I just there was a the point about 791 00:39:23,280 --> 00:39:26,480 investment earnings being greater than 792 00:39:26,480 --> 00:39:29,839 projected this year and maybe it's maybe 793 00:39:29,839 --> 00:39:32,079 it's a question for maybe it's will be 794 00:39:32,079 --> 00:39:34,160 pertinent for later but I'll ask it now. 795 00:39:34,160 --> 00:39:38,240 Um Miss Flick there are years where we 796 00:39:38,240 --> 00:39:41,359 project and then we have lower 797 00:39:41,359 --> 00:39:43,520 investment returns as well. Would you 798 00:39:43,520 --> 00:39:45,520 confirm that and and if you remember you 799 00:39:45,520 --> 00:39:47,920 know within the near future maybe what 800 00:39:47,920 --> 00:39:53,920 size any of those you know below return 801 00:39:53,920 --> 00:39:57,040 below projections were. 802 00:39:57,040 --> 00:40:01,520 >> Uh thank you Mr. I I believe it was FY22 803 00:40:01,520 --> 00:40:03,920 or FY23. 804 00:40:03,920 --> 00:40:07,680 We were significantly or um the market 805 00:40:07,680 --> 00:40:11,119 did terribly and we were we had budgeted 806 00:40:11,119 --> 00:40:12,720 positive 807 00:40:12,720 --> 00:40:16,079 um interest earnings and we actually 808 00:40:16,079 --> 00:40:17,599 lost 809 00:40:17,599 --> 00:40:21,599 um on the on the market side. So, um I 810 00:40:21,599 --> 00:40:25,040 don't know the the scale of that um but 811 00:40:25,040 --> 00:40:29,280 it was um in very recent history that did occur. 812 00:40:29,280 --> 00:40:32,480 >> Thank you, 813 00:40:32,480 --> 00:40:34,720 >> Mr. Brooks. 814 00:40:34,720 --> 00:40:37,920 >> Thank you, Madam Chair. uh during those 815 00:40:37,920 --> 00:40:39,839 years where there were losses in the 816 00:40:39,839 --> 00:40:43,359 investment, was it the the same methods 817 00:40:43,359 --> 00:40:46,560 of investments being uh conducted? You 818 00:40:46,560 --> 00:40:48,800 know, the the the same firms and 819 00:40:48,800 --> 00:40:51,829 portfolios 820 00:40:51,839 --> 00:40:53,920 we're using currently. Sorry. 821 00:40:53,920 --> 00:40:55,440 >> Thank you, Assembly Member Brooks. Um 822 00:40:55,440 --> 00:40:59,359 yes, it is um we have not changed um 823 00:40:59,359 --> 00:41:03,280 firms or investment pools um since that 824 00:41:03,280 --> 00:41:11,670 time occurred. 825 00:41:11,680 --> 00:41:15,440 All right, we will move on. I'll just be 826 00:41:15,440 --> 00:41:17,520 just remind folks this, you know, 827 00:41:17,520 --> 00:41:20,400 there's a whole lot of data to unpack 828 00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:24,240 here. So, um, you know, take your time 829 00:41:24,240 --> 00:41:26,560 and I know staff are available to 830 00:41:26,560 --> 00:41:30,880 continue to help um, folks understand 831 00:41:30,880 --> 00:41:33,280 all that was just presented. All right, 832 00:41:33,280 --> 00:41:36,240 that brings us to um financial paths 833 00:41:36,240 --> 00:41:39,040 forward with election 2025 results. Is 834 00:41:39,040 --> 00:41:43,359 this Miss Flick or Manager Kuster? 835 00:41:43,359 --> 00:41:45,200 Probably both. 836 00:41:45,200 --> 00:41:46,880 >> Thank you, Chairwall. I believe we are 837 00:41:46,880 --> 00:41:50,960 going to tag team this. Uh so this is on 838 00:41:50,960 --> 00:41:54,800 starting on page 24 of your packet. Um 839 00:41:54,800 --> 00:41:55,280 this is 840 00:41:55,280 --> 00:41:58,240 >> Oops. I'll just inter um interrupt you 841 00:41:58,240 --> 00:42:00,720 real quick. I meant to say this. Our in 842 00:42:00,720 --> 00:42:03,040 this is a long memo and our intent is to 843 00:42:03,040 --> 00:42:05,054 take it kind of chunk by chunk here. 844 00:42:05,054 --> 00:42:06,240 [clears throat] So we've got some 845 00:42:06,240 --> 00:42:10,240 discussion questions and um things built 846 00:42:10,240 --> 00:42:13,839 in along the way. So um okay, go ahead, 847 00:42:13,839 --> 00:42:15,440 Miss Flick. [laughter] 848 00:42:15,440 --> 00:42:18,079 Thank you, Chairwell. Um there is a lot 849 00:42:18,079 --> 00:42:21,440 of information in this memo um and tried 850 00:42:21,440 --> 00:42:24,079 to lay it out in a way that um it would 851 00:42:24,079 --> 00:42:26,079 be easy to follow and kind of tie 852 00:42:26,079 --> 00:42:29,280 together concepts um that move through. 853 00:42:29,280 --> 00:42:32,079 Um there are a lot of questions also in 854 00:42:32,079 --> 00:42:34,319 this memo, but we do not need to answer 855 00:42:34,319 --> 00:42:38,400 every question tonight. Um there are um 856 00:42:38,400 --> 00:42:41,359 there are many decisions that need to be 857 00:42:41,359 --> 00:42:45,599 made over the course um of our next few 858 00:42:45,599 --> 00:42:48,800 meetings together. Um and we wanted to 859 00:42:48,800 --> 00:42:51,119 make sure that you had a full picture of 860 00:42:51,119 --> 00:42:54,960 information in front of you and that we 861 00:42:54,960 --> 00:42:58,240 um tried to ask you questions that would 862 00:42:58,240 --> 00:43:00,079 help you start thinking about things and 863 00:43:00,079 --> 00:43:02,160 maybe start preparing you to make some 864 00:43:02,160 --> 00:43:03,760 decisions that you don't have to make 865 00:43:03,760 --> 00:43:05,920 tonight. There are a few things that um 866 00:43:05,920 --> 00:43:08,319 we do need you to decide on tonight and 867 00:43:08,319 --> 00:43:10,720 so we'll we'll make sure that we either 868 00:43:10,720 --> 00:43:12,560 tackle those in process or they're also 869 00:43:12,560 --> 00:43:14,000 at the end of the memo so we make sure 870 00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:16,079 we don't lose sight of them. So we'll 871 00:43:16,079 --> 00:43:18,880 make sure that those get cared for. Um 872 00:43:18,880 --> 00:43:21,520 the uh 873 00:43:21,520 --> 00:43:24,000 I I don't need to uh belabor the point. 874 00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:25,680 There were um several election 875 00:43:25,680 --> 00:43:28,480 propositions. Um two of them passed. Um 876 00:43:28,480 --> 00:43:31,200 ballot proposition one um had to do with 877 00:43:31,200 --> 00:43:35,280 capping the mill rate at um nine mills. 878 00:43:35,280 --> 00:43:38,960 Um and this excludes debt service. Um 879 00:43:38,960 --> 00:43:41,440 and so previously it was 12, it will now 880 00:43:41,440 --> 00:43:44,960 be at 9. Um our FY26 881 00:43:44,960 --> 00:43:47,680 mill rate excluding debt service is 882 00:43:47,680 --> 00:43:49,599 9.16. 883 00:43:49,599 --> 00:43:53,599 Um the FY26 impact of this ballot 884 00:43:53,599 --> 00:43:57,280 proposition passing passing is nothing. 885 00:43:57,280 --> 00:44:02,319 um your FY26 budget was built with the 886 00:44:02,319 --> 00:44:04,079 um mill rate which you passed as part of 887 00:44:04,079 --> 00:44:06,880 the FY26 budget preparation. I believe 888 00:44:06,880 --> 00:44:09,680 you passed it on June 9th. Um those mill 889 00:44:09,680 --> 00:44:11,200 rates were applied to the assessed 890 00:44:11,200 --> 00:44:14,800 values as of January 1st of 2025. 891 00:44:14,800 --> 00:44:17,280 Property tax bills went out roughly July 892 00:44:17,280 --> 00:44:20,079 1st. Property taxes were due September 893 00:44:20,079 --> 00:44:23,040 30th. The election happened after that. 894 00:44:23,040 --> 00:44:24,880 So at this point there's no action in 895 00:44:24,880 --> 00:44:26,800 FY26. 896 00:44:26,800 --> 00:44:29,440 um and no impact from that particular 897 00:44:29,440 --> 00:44:32,560 ballot measure on FY26. However, moving 898 00:44:32,560 --> 00:44:34,480 into FY27 899 00:44:34,480 --> 00:44:36,240 um we will need to reduce our mill rate 900 00:44:36,240 --> 00:44:39,520 by that 0.16 mills. Um assuming a 901 00:44:39,520 --> 00:44:43,280 relatively flat um market in the real 902 00:44:43,280 --> 00:44:45,520 estate world, we would expect that to be 903 00:44:45,520 --> 00:44:47,760 about a million dollars worth of revenue 904 00:44:47,760 --> 00:44:51,839 loss um to the um various uh general 905 00:44:51,839 --> 00:44:54,079 fund components that make that up. So 906 00:44:54,079 --> 00:44:55,440 that is something that we will have to 907 00:44:55,440 --> 00:44:58,720 address with our FY27 budget. 908 00:44:58,720 --> 00:45:01,520 Um [clears throat] proposition two um 909 00:45:01,520 --> 00:45:04,079 had two components. Um one was an 910 00:45:04,079 --> 00:45:07,200 exemption of sales tax on um basically 911 00:45:07,200 --> 00:45:10,800 SNAP eligible food or food is def as as 912 00:45:10,800 --> 00:45:12,560 defined by the food and nutrition act of 913 00:45:12,560 --> 00:45:14,400 2008. 914 00:45:14,400 --> 00:45:18,240 um this uh there's that component and 915 00:45:18,240 --> 00:45:19,839 then there's also a component having to 916 00:45:19,839 --> 00:45:24,480 do with um utilities um at um the 917 00:45:24,480 --> 00:45:27,200 primary residents. Um those uh take 918 00:45:27,200 --> 00:45:30,560 effect um here this month. Um the 919 00:45:30,560 --> 00:45:34,400 estimated f annualized impact of both of 920 00:45:34,400 --> 00:45:37,040 those is roughly $1 million. We're 921 00:45:37,040 --> 00:45:40,800 partway through FY26. So roughly seven 922 00:45:40,800 --> 00:45:45,040 of the 12 months um will be impacted and 923 00:45:45,040 --> 00:45:47,440 so we calculate that to be about 6.4 924 00:45:47,440 --> 00:45:51,680 million of a revenue decrease for FY26. 925 00:45:51,680 --> 00:45:55,440 Um and again annualized for FY27 926 00:45:55,440 --> 00:45:58,240 um it's total of 11 million. Um 927 00:45:58,240 --> 00:46:00,960 depending on how we address FY26 928 00:46:00,960 --> 00:46:02,821 um that could just be um an incremental 929 00:46:02,821 --> 00:46:03,920 [clears throat] adjustment to the full 930 00:46:03,920 --> 00:46:07,200 year or the full 11 million. So what's 931 00:46:07,200 --> 00:46:08,880 really important to take away from the 932 00:46:08,880 --> 00:46:11,359 sales tax discussion is that our sales 933 00:46:11,359 --> 00:46:14,160 tax is made up of um three main 934 00:46:14,160 --> 00:46:18,160 components. One 1% is permanent and that 935 00:46:18,160 --> 00:46:22,160 goes to our operations. 1% is temporary 936 00:46:22,160 --> 00:46:24,560 and that goes to specific projects. And 937 00:46:24,560 --> 00:46:27,280 so on page 30 of your packet um 938 00:46:27,280 --> 00:46:30,000 attachment A is a breakout of um the 939 00:46:30,000 --> 00:46:33,359 sales tax. So, um the list A there on 940 00:46:33,359 --> 00:46:36,960 your right are the 1% temporary projects 941 00:46:36,960 --> 00:46:42,000 that um will um now that 1% has a less 942 00:46:42,000 --> 00:46:44,640 value um going forward for the remainder 943 00:46:44,640 --> 00:46:49,200 of that um particular um time period for 944 00:46:49,200 --> 00:46:50,960 which the 1% is in effect through 945 00:46:50,960 --> 00:46:53,599 September of 2028. And then the last 946 00:46:53,599 --> 00:46:57,680 component is a 3% temporary tax that we 947 00:46:57,680 --> 00:47:00,319 break up into three pieces. And what you 948 00:47:00,319 --> 00:47:02,160 see there on attachment A is the three 949 00:47:02,160 --> 00:47:04,000 pieces broken out as they appeared on 950 00:47:04,000 --> 00:47:07,440 the ballot. So um what I've called list 951 00:47:07,440 --> 00:47:11,359 B is 1% of the 3% temporary tax that 952 00:47:11,359 --> 00:47:14,000 goes to projects related to roads, 953 00:47:14,000 --> 00:47:15,599 drainage, retaining walls, sidewalks. 954 00:47:15,599 --> 00:47:18,560 We've also been doing utilities um with 955 00:47:18,560 --> 00:47:21,680 part there. Um list C are the 956 00:47:21,680 --> 00:47:23,359 operational components that are funded 957 00:47:23,359 --> 00:47:26,000 through the sales tax as called out on 958 00:47:26,000 --> 00:47:29,280 the ballot. and um list D is the last 1% 959 00:47:29,280 --> 00:47:32,400 of that 3% where goes to some capital 960 00:47:32,400 --> 00:47:35,599 projects um uh called out to go to the 961 00:47:35,599 --> 00:47:39,599 budget reserve um or other operations um 962 00:47:39,599 --> 00:47:41,760 a lot of that 1% ends up being operating 963 00:47:41,760 --> 00:47:46,000 in nature. So when we look at the five 964 00:47:46,000 --> 00:47:51,040 1% pieces of our 5% sales tax um 965 00:47:51,040 --> 00:47:55,359 annualized again um 11 million um 4.4 4 966 00:47:55,359 --> 00:47:58,240 million would be a one-time um reduction 967 00:47:58,240 --> 00:48:01,599 to projects and 6.6 million would be 968 00:48:01,599 --> 00:48:03,520 recurring that we would need to reduce 969 00:48:03,520 --> 00:48:05,520 out of our operating budget. Again, 970 00:48:05,520 --> 00:48:09,040 that's kind of the annualized picture. 971 00:48:09,040 --> 00:48:11,520 So, um that's that's the breakdown of 972 00:48:11,520 --> 00:48:19,030 the impact of sales tax. 973 00:48:19,040 --> 00:48:21,760 All right. 974 00:48:21,760 --> 00:48:26,079 I I'll just um pause and note that while 975 00:48:26,079 --> 00:48:28,400 the uh 976 00:48:28,400 --> 00:48:31,920 1% is one time um obviously there's a 977 00:48:31,920 --> 00:48:33,760 reduction in overall sales tax revenue 978 00:48:33,760 --> 00:48:35,680 which means all things being equal 979 00:48:35,680 --> 00:48:38,400 voters reauthorizing our 3% and 1% we 980 00:48:38,400 --> 00:48:40,079 will be collecting less revenue for 981 00:48:40,079 --> 00:48:42,240 capital projects. So moving forward, we 982 00:48:42,240 --> 00:48:45,119 will be looking at building UCIPs uh 983 00:48:45,119 --> 00:48:47,599 with less capital projects unless 984 00:48:47,599 --> 00:48:50,640 directed otherwise by the assembly. 985 00:48:50,640 --> 00:48:54,319 >> Um Mr. Smith and Mr. Steininger, then 986 00:48:54,319 --> 00:48:57,200 Mr. Kelly. 987 00:48:57,200 --> 00:49:00,160 >> Thank you, Madam Chair. 988 00:49:00,160 --> 00:49:03,200 I I wanted to, you know, as we're just 989 00:49:03,200 --> 00:49:06,480 anyway, I want to um just as we're 990 00:49:06,480 --> 00:49:08,160 looking at reductions, you know, one 991 00:49:08,160 --> 00:49:10,079 thing, of course, I don't want to see us 992 00:49:10,079 --> 00:49:13,839 do is, you know, cut CIPs too hard and 993 00:49:13,839 --> 00:49:16,480 that we are essentially creating a large 994 00:49:16,480 --> 00:49:19,839 deferred maintenance hole. Um, 995 00:49:19,839 --> 00:49:21,119 and this is something that can maybe 996 00:49:21,119 --> 00:49:24,880 come back later or or whatever, but um 997 00:49:24,880 --> 00:49:30,000 do we track and compare to, you know, 998 00:49:30,000 --> 00:49:32,640 uh commonly accepted metrics or 999 00:49:32,640 --> 00:49:34,640 something like 1000 00:49:34,640 --> 00:49:39,040 how how we're doing in terms of spending 1001 00:49:39,040 --> 00:49:42,160 on our infrastructure, 1002 00:49:42,160 --> 00:49:44,079 you know, like I don't know. I'm sure 1003 00:49:44,079 --> 00:49:45,760 there's a percentage out there that like 1004 00:49:45,760 --> 00:49:49,200 you should be spending. Do we do we know 1005 00:49:49,200 --> 00:49:51,359 do we track that or or do we know how 1006 00:49:51,359 --> 00:49:54,640 we're doing compared to you know 1007 00:49:54,640 --> 00:49:56,319 commonly accepted metrics on 1008 00:49:56,319 --> 00:50:01,510 infrastructure investment? 1009 00:50:01,520 --> 00:50:03,839 » So I have done that analysis in the past 1010 00:50:03,839 --> 00:50:07,680 for our facilities um and there are kind 1011 00:50:07,680 --> 00:50:09,760 of industry standards on how much you 1012 00:50:09,760 --> 00:50:11,520 should be spending per year as a percent 1013 00:50:11,520 --> 00:50:14,720 of the building value. And uh certainly 1014 00:50:14,720 --> 00:50:16,400 worth running those numbers again and 1015 00:50:16,400 --> 00:50:18,319 looking at that in the context of all of 1016 00:50:18,319 --> 00:50:20,800 the capital uh you know maintenance 1017 00:50:20,800 --> 00:50:22,880 projects that we do deferred maintenance 1018 00:50:22,880 --> 00:50:24,880 projects such as streets and utilities. 1019 00:50:24,880 --> 00:50:27,680 But at the time when I ran uh that that 1020 00:50:27,680 --> 00:50:30,079 set of numbers uh we were at the very 1021 00:50:30,079 --> 00:50:32,240 low end of what would be the industry 1022 00:50:32,240 --> 00:50:34,079 standard for facilities and that 1023 00:50:34,079 --> 00:50:36,800 includes like some major facility um 1024 00:50:36,800 --> 00:50:38,319 projects. And then I would say that we 1025 00:50:38,319 --> 00:50:41,760 are probably behind in our utility and 1026 00:50:41,760 --> 00:50:44,400 street um investment just given the 1027 00:50:44,400 --> 00:50:46,240 number of water leaks we have had over 1028 00:50:46,240 --> 00:50:48,559 the last uh last few years. It has seen 1029 00:50:48,559 --> 00:50:52,400 a lot that is when I say behind you have 1030 00:50:52,400 --> 00:50:54,720 to remember we are we are for Alaska a 1031 00:50:54,720 --> 00:50:56,640 pretty wellestablished town so we are 1032 00:50:56,640 --> 00:50:58,720 experiencing you know failure of 1033 00:50:58,720 --> 00:51:00,319 infrastructure that was put in when we 1034 00:51:00,319 --> 00:51:02,960 had a big uh housing boom in the 80s. So 1035 00:51:02,960 --> 00:51:06,000 part of this is the nature of um how 1036 00:51:06,000 --> 00:51:08,880 long we've been around, but um I I would 1037 00:51:08,880 --> 00:51:11,280 say there's definitely uh the need for 1038 00:51:11,280 --> 00:51:14,800 increased investment in just the kind of 1039 00:51:14,800 --> 00:51:16,720 regular 1040 00:51:16,720 --> 00:51:18,880 replacing water lines and sewer mains 1041 00:51:18,880 --> 00:51:22,160 and boilers and the kind of not not as 1042 00:51:22,160 --> 00:51:29,510 fun uh capital projects. 1043 00:51:29,520 --> 00:51:31,119 » Mr. Steininger, 1044 00:51:31,119 --> 00:51:32,720 >> I'm good. that got covered. Thank you 1045 00:51:32,720 --> 00:51:33,200 though, 1046 00:51:33,200 --> 00:51:35,839 >> Mr. Kelly. 1047 00:51:35,839 --> 00:51:40,079 >> Thank you. Um so those uh $2.2 million 1048 00:51:40,079 --> 00:51:44,480 um that are taken from each 1%. Um just 1049 00:51:44,480 --> 00:51:46,640 to get an idea of like how severe they 1050 00:51:46,640 --> 00:51:50,720 are to each list. Um that's 2.2 million 1051 00:51:50,720 --> 00:51:54,079 out of um out of how much 1052 00:51:54,079 --> 00:51:56,480 or would you have that number off hand 1053 00:51:56,480 --> 00:52:10,390 or maybe I can I can circle back. 1054 00:52:10,400 --> 00:52:14,160 So, Mr. Kelly, I'm not entirely sure 1055 00:52:14,160 --> 00:52:15,839 what your question is, but typically 1056 00:52:15,839 --> 00:52:19,920 like our 1% temporary sales tax would um 1057 00:52:19,920 --> 00:52:24,240 bring in about 14ish million. 1058 00:52:24,240 --> 00:52:26,880 So, a 2.2 I could do the math right 1059 00:52:26,880 --> 00:52:29,040 here. 1060 00:52:29,040 --> 00:52:32,559 I think I could do the math. So, it's 2.2 out of 14 basically. 1061 00:52:32,559 --> 00:52:37,280 >> 2.2 out of roughly 14. So, 15 16%. 1062 00:52:37,280 --> 00:52:40,400 >> All right. Thank you. 1063 00:52:40,400 --> 00:52:46,640 >> Um I've got a question on this one. Um I think 1064 00:52:46,640 --> 00:52:51,040 um I heard you uh Miss Kester about kind 1065 00:52:51,040 --> 00:52:54,160 of the you know we often maybe this is 1066 00:52:54,160 --> 00:52:56,480 terminology we often talk about expenses 1067 00:52:56,480 --> 00:52:59,200 being one time or ongoing ongoing 1068 00:52:59,200 --> 00:53:01,200 operations versus a project that we're 1069 00:53:01,200 --> 00:53:03,440 going to you know do this year and don't 1070 00:53:03,440 --> 00:53:05,760 have to continually fund. Here we're 1071 00:53:05,760 --> 00:53:09,599 talking about revenue as one time or 1072 00:53:09,599 --> 00:53:14,160 ongoing sales tax 1073 00:53:14,160 --> 00:53:16,640 is an ongoing revenue. You're just 1074 00:53:16,640 --> 00:53:19,520 making a distinction between 1075 00:53:19,520 --> 00:53:21,680 Well, I I think you're making a 1076 00:53:21,680 --> 00:53:23,359 distinction between projects that we 1077 00:53:23,359 --> 00:53:26,240 said we would do that qualify as 1078 00:53:26,240 --> 00:53:28,319 projects 1079 00:53:28,319 --> 00:53:31,440 like CIPs. We have to do CIPs in the 1080 00:53:31,440 --> 00:53:33,839 future, 1081 00:53:33,839 --> 00:53:37,520 but we were specifically funding a 1082 00:53:37,520 --> 00:53:39,119 particular 1083 00:53:39,119 --> 00:53:42,720 project in this year. Am I capturing 1084 00:53:42,720 --> 00:53:44,640 that correctly? 1085 00:53:44,640 --> 00:53:47,119 >> Thank you, Chairw. Um yes, I think a 1086 00:53:47,119 --> 00:53:50,720 great example is um you know, we will we 1087 00:53:50,720 --> 00:53:53,040 will always need to do capital projects. 1088 00:53:53,040 --> 00:53:54,240 There will always be a need to do 1089 00:53:54,240 --> 00:53:56,240 infrastructure projects. 1090 00:53:56,240 --> 00:53:59,280 um you only need to pave a certain part 1091 00:53:59,280 --> 00:54:02,559 of the road once every however year. So 1092 00:54:02,559 --> 00:54:05,040 from a project perspective, paving road 1093 00:54:05,040 --> 00:54:08,960 XYZ is is a one-time event, but you will 1094 00:54:08,960 --> 00:54:10,960 always need to be addressing different 1095 00:54:10,960 --> 00:54:16,240 pieces of road. So um one 1% of our 3% 1096 00:54:16,240 --> 00:54:20,720 temporary tax goes to road street type 1097 00:54:20,720 --> 00:54:24,800 projects. So it is a a continual need. 1098 00:54:24,800 --> 00:54:27,520 Um, but the projects themselves are one 1099 00:54:27,520 --> 00:54:31,680 time in nature. And that's as opposed to 1100 00:54:31,680 --> 00:54:34,960 if we needed to make an a an operating 1101 00:54:34,960 --> 00:54:38,000 cut where it's like we open the doors 1102 00:54:38,000 --> 00:54:39,680 every day here and now we need to not 1103 00:54:39,680 --> 00:54:42,160 open the doors or we need to have fewer 1104 00:54:42,160 --> 00:54:44,960 hours. Um, that would be a recurring or 1105 00:54:44,960 --> 00:54:52,390 an operating reduction. 1106 00:54:52,400 --> 00:54:56,150 » Mr. Smith. 1107 00:54:56,160 --> 00:54:59,040 » Thank you, Madam Chair. 1108 00:54:59,040 --> 00:55:02,480 Um I I don't Anyway, I think your 1109 00:55:02,480 --> 00:55:04,640 question was similar to mine, I guess. 1110 00:55:04,640 --> 00:55:07,280 Um but just to make sure I understand. 1111 00:55:07,280 --> 00:55:08,880 I'm sorry if I missed it when you if you 1112 00:55:08,880 --> 00:55:11,440 said it earlier, Miss Flick. 1113 00:55:11,440 --> 00:55:13,040 Um 1114 00:55:13,040 --> 00:55:15,839 obviously the voters approve 1115 00:55:15,839 --> 00:55:26,079 some of these taxes, you know, four 4% I believe there there isn't a 1116 00:55:26,079 --> 00:55:29,119 legal or any other type of requirement 1117 00:55:29,119 --> 00:55:30,960 that we 1118 00:55:30,960 --> 00:55:34,000 would make 1119 00:55:34,000 --> 00:55:35,520 reductions 1120 00:55:35,520 --> 00:55:39,359 you know based on 1121 00:55:39,359 --> 00:55:41,920 like based on these kind of buckets of 1122 00:55:41,920 --> 00:55:45,920 different per 1% of taxes right just 1123 00:55:45,920 --> 00:55:48,720 because we asked the voters to say oh 1124 00:55:48,720 --> 00:55:52,079 you know we want a 3% % and it covers 1125 00:55:52,079 --> 00:55:55,359 lists B, C, and D 1126 00:55:55,359 --> 00:55:57,200 and those go to those different things. 1127 00:55:57,200 --> 00:55:59,599 We don't have to we don't have to uh 1128 00:55:59,599 --> 00:56:03,440 aortion it in that way. Like we could we 1129 00:56:03,440 --> 00:56:06,799 could make more cuts to recurring things 1130 00:56:06,799 --> 00:56:10,799 versus CIPs or something or in the other 1131 00:56:10,799 --> 00:56:15,430 direction. 1132 00:56:15,440 --> 00:56:18,400 » Uh thank you, Assembly Member Smith. Um 1133 00:56:18,400 --> 00:56:22,640 I'm not the lawyer in the room. Uh so uh 1134 00:56:22,640 --> 00:56:25,040 perhaps this is uh truly a legal 1135 00:56:25,040 --> 00:56:27,920 question. Um but I I do believe that we 1136 00:56:27,920 --> 00:56:30,400 have an obligation to follow the intent 1137 00:56:30,400 --> 00:56:34,640 of the um of the ballot measure as it 1138 00:56:34,640 --> 00:56:36,799 was presented to the voters. So the 1139 00:56:36,799 --> 00:56:39,359 voters passed a 1% temporary tax to do 1140 00:56:39,359 --> 00:56:41,280 these projects. 1141 00:56:41,280 --> 00:56:44,400 We need to um do the the best we can to 1142 00:56:44,400 --> 00:56:47,680 adhere to that. the the exemptions that 1143 00:56:47,680 --> 00:56:49,440 were passed means that we are going to 1144 00:56:49,440 --> 00:56:52,559 bring in less revenue to do those 1145 00:56:52,559 --> 00:56:56,160 projects. And so um the extent to which 1146 00:56:56,160 --> 00:56:58,720 we can accomplish those projects um may 1147 00:56:58,720 --> 00:57:00,240 change 1148 00:57:00,240 --> 00:57:03,760 in our plan for the future compared to 1149 00:57:03,760 --> 00:57:11,670 what we may have planned a year ago. 1150 00:57:11,680 --> 00:57:15,440 Do you have a followup, Mr. Smith? 1151 00:57:15,440 --> 00:57:18,799 I I think maybe I'll just um chat with 1152 00:57:18,799 --> 00:57:20,640 the attorney just to you know anyway 1153 00:57:20,640 --> 00:57:23,200 just just trying to figure out like you 1154 00:57:23,200 --> 00:57:26,240 know how how closely or not we need to 1155 00:57:26,240 --> 00:57:28,160 you know 1156 00:57:28,160 --> 00:57:30,720 adhere I'll say to these to this kind of 1157 00:57:30,720 --> 00:57:32,400 to these different buckets or something 1158 00:57:32,400 --> 00:57:35,760 but no that that's helpful. Thank you 1159 00:57:35,760 --> 00:57:37,040 >> Miss Hugh Candies. 1160 00:57:37,040 --> 00:57:39,280 >> Thank you Madam Chair. I should probably 1161 00:57:39,280 --> 00:57:42,640 follow Mr. mislead. But just talking 1162 00:57:42,640 --> 00:57:46,480 through that in a followup, when we make 1163 00:57:46,480 --> 00:57:48,960 specific projects and take it to the 1164 00:57:48,960 --> 00:57:51,839 voters, it is always an estimate. Is 1165 00:57:51,839 --> 00:57:54,160 that correct? Because we could have 1166 00:57:54,160 --> 00:57:57,200 there could be a huge inflation hike and 1167 00:57:57,200 --> 00:58:00,720 we don't anticipate that, but that would 1168 00:58:00,720 --> 00:58:03,359 depending on the tax bring in more tax 1169 00:58:03,359 --> 00:58:07,200 and then we would have that percent 1170 00:58:07,200 --> 00:58:09,760 would be a higher number. Correct? just 1171 00:58:09,760 --> 00:58:12,640 the same way that now with an exemption 1172 00:58:12,640 --> 00:58:14,559 it's going to be a lower number. Is does 1173 00:58:14,559 --> 00:58:18,000 that seem right? 1174 00:58:18,000 --> 00:58:22,160 Um I pulled up the ballot uh language 1175 00:58:22,160 --> 00:58:26,079 from um the one the last 1% for example 1176 00:58:26,079 --> 00:58:29,599 and in that um the ballot language did 1177 00:58:29,599 --> 00:58:31,200 not have dollar amounts associated with 1178 00:58:31,200 --> 00:58:32,799 projects. It just listed the projects 1179 00:58:32,799 --> 00:58:34,720 and it clearly listed that it was the 1180 00:58:34,720 --> 00:58:38,319 intent of it is the intent. Um, so it's 1181 00:58:38,319 --> 00:58:40,079 it it depends again goes back to that 1182 00:58:40,079 --> 00:58:41,920 intent language and in having 1183 00:58:41,920 --> 00:58:43,520 conversations with the city attorney on 1184 00:58:43,520 --> 00:58:46,559 this. You know, she said probably uh you 1185 00:58:46,559 --> 00:58:48,400 know changing the dollar amounts within 1186 00:58:48,400 --> 00:58:51,119 that bucket uh or postponing some of the 1187 00:58:51,119 --> 00:58:54,720 projects would be um very defensible. 1188 00:58:54,720 --> 00:58:56,319 Just cutting some of those projects 1189 00:58:56,319 --> 00:58:58,720 would be more difficult. So, I am like 1190 00:58:58,720 --> 00:59:00,400 poking at Emily quite a bit on this 1191 00:59:00,400 --> 00:59:02,240 topic because I I definitely see some 1192 00:59:02,240 --> 00:59:04,559 things on this list that might not be as 1193 00:59:04,559 --> 00:59:06,799 high a priorities given our current 1194 00:59:06,799 --> 00:59:08,000 fiscal situation. 1195 00:59:08,000 --> 00:59:12,630 >> Thank you, 1196 00:59:12,640 --> 00:59:16,319 » Mr. Steininger. And I guess kind of sort 1197 00:59:16,319 --> 00:59:18,319 of followup to this line of question 1198 00:59:18,319 --> 00:59:20,000 when I look at this list and 1199 00:59:20,000 --> 00:59:23,760 particularly under the 1% in list A. 1200 00:59:23,760 --> 00:59:26,160 Some of these projects are significantly 1201 00:59:26,160 --> 00:59:27,680 if fully completed would be 1202 00:59:27,680 --> 00:59:30,880 significantly more expensive than the 1203 00:59:30,880 --> 00:59:32,640 total amount we had anticipated 1204 00:59:32,640 --> 00:59:35,839 collecting from that 1% over its 1205 00:59:35,839 --> 00:59:38,400 lifetime. I mean some of them are pretty 1206 00:59:38,400 --> 00:59:41,200 spendy projects. So like the idea of 1207 00:59:41,200 --> 00:59:43,200 being bound to complete every one of 1208 00:59:43,200 --> 00:59:45,760 those projects seems it seems like we 1209 00:59:45,760 --> 00:59:49,119 are not we because we never could have 1210 00:59:49,119 --> 00:59:50,559 done it because there wouldn't have been 1211 00:59:50,559 --> 00:59:53,040 enough revenue collection anyway. So 1212 00:59:53,040 --> 00:59:55,200 we're just bound to doing some work on 1213 00:59:55,200 --> 00:59:57,839 each of those projects I guess you know 1214 00:59:57,839 --> 00:59:59,839 like we haven't 1215 00:59:59,839 --> 01:00:01,520 appropriated enough to complete the 1216 01:00:01,520 --> 01:00:03,280 relocation of the city museum for 1217 01:00:03,280 --> 01:00:06,559 example or the you know construction of 1218 01:00:06,559 --> 01:00:08,319 the Lemon Creek multimodonal pass. to 1219 01:00:08,319 --> 01:00:10,559 like 1220 01:00:10,559 --> 01:00:12,000 I guess I'm trying to understand you 1221 01:00:12,000 --> 01:00:13,760 know what the actual commitment to the 1222 01:00:13,760 --> 01:00:15,440 voters is if we couldn't have even 1223 01:00:15,440 --> 01:00:16,799 completed the projects in the first 1224 01:00:16,799 --> 01:00:18,559 place. Does that make sense or am I just 1225 01:00:18,559 --> 01:00:20,000 kind of rambling? 1226 01:00:20,000 --> 01:00:22,160 >> I I understand your question and I do 1227 01:00:22,160 --> 01:00:24,880 think that uh Emily would be best suited 1228 01:00:24,880 --> 01:00:28,480 to answer that question. I will explain 1229 01:00:28,480 --> 01:00:32,000 kind of how we use these funds um when 1230 01:00:32,000 --> 01:00:33,520 there are not enough money of course to 1231 01:00:33,520 --> 01:00:34,880 do the project and Lemon Creek 1232 01:00:34,880 --> 01:00:37,520 Multimotal Path is a great example. uh 1233 01:00:37,520 --> 01:00:40,000 we've used that funding to initiate 1234 01:00:40,000 --> 01:00:42,000 design and to match other grant 1235 01:00:42,000 --> 01:00:44,640 opportunities. So get design uh you know 1236 01:00:44,640 --> 01:00:46,799 to a level where we then can apply apply 1237 01:00:46,799 --> 01:00:48,720 for grants and we've received um I think 1238 01:00:48,720 --> 01:00:50,960 two different grants for Lemon Creek 1239 01:00:50,960 --> 01:00:54,880 multimmoal path. So a lot of um these uh 1240 01:00:54,880 --> 01:00:58,319 funding you know streams are set up to 1241 01:00:58,319 --> 01:01:00,160 be able to do the work to advance a 1242 01:01:00,160 --> 01:01:02,000 project to then to understand I mean 1243 01:01:02,000 --> 01:01:03,520 there's there's projects on this list 1244 01:01:03,520 --> 01:01:05,680 that we have very like relocation of 1245 01:01:05,680 --> 01:01:06,960 city museum we have very little 1246 01:01:06,960 --> 01:01:08,480 information about I believe there's a 1247 01:01:08,480 --> 01:01:11,359 half a million dollar appropriation um 1248 01:01:11,359 --> 01:01:13,359 obviously that's a much larger project 1249 01:01:13,359 --> 01:01:15,280 and so like practically speaking how we 1250 01:01:15,280 --> 01:01:18,000 would use that would be to develop a 1251 01:01:18,000 --> 01:01:19,920 plan and a budget and and whatever level 1252 01:01:19,920 --> 01:01:22,160 of design to be able to you take that to 1253 01:01:22,160 --> 01:01:25,359 the assembly. You can uh you can advance 1254 01:01:25,359 --> 01:01:28,240 funds um advance projects through 1255 01:01:28,240 --> 01:01:30,640 design, but you remember you cannot 1256 01:01:30,640 --> 01:01:32,079 construct the project unless you have 1257 01:01:32,079 --> 01:01:34,000 full funding for the project. So that 1258 01:01:34,000 --> 01:01:35,520 that's kind of where you get that 1259 01:01:35,520 --> 01:01:36,960 commitment. Doesn't answer your 1260 01:01:36,960 --> 01:01:38,480 question, but I just thought it might 1261 01:01:38,480 --> 01:01:40,480 help you understand how we spend the 1262 01:01:40,480 --> 01:01:43,520 less than enough money to do the project 1263 01:01:43,520 --> 01:01:47,349 uh funds. 1264 01:01:47,359 --> 01:01:50,559 » Mr. Brooks. 1265 01:01:50,559 --> 01:01:52,960 >> Thank you, Madam Chair. 1266 01:01:52,960 --> 01:01:57,280 On so for the ones that do have specific 1267 01:01:57,280 --> 01:01:59,440 amounts attached to them, the ones that 1268 01:01:59,440 --> 01:02:01,520 come to mind for me are the uh the 1269 01:02:01,520 --> 01:02:03,599 wastewater and police communications. 1270 01:02:03,599 --> 01:02:05,680 When that was brought to a vote, it I 1271 01:02:05,680 --> 01:02:07,920 remember them having specific amounts. 1272 01:02:07,920 --> 01:02:11,760 So, what how how is kind of the process 1273 01:02:11,760 --> 01:02:16,319 as far as changing the amounts? 1274 01:02:16,319 --> 01:02:18,319 and and she's well suited to answer this 1275 01:02:18,319 --> 01:02:20,400 question, but we cannot we could not 1276 01:02:20,400 --> 01:02:22,400 spend the full amount, but we that would 1277 01:02:22,400 --> 01:02:24,720 be an example where like we can't spend 1278 01:02:24,720 --> 01:02:26,400 bond money for public safety, 1279 01:02:26,400 --> 01:02:27,920 communications, infrastructure on 1280 01:02:27,920 --> 01:02:29,440 anything but public safety, 1281 01:02:29,440 --> 01:02:31,520 communications infrastructure. So, a a 1282 01:02:31,520 --> 01:02:34,319 general obligation bond is different and 1283 01:02:34,319 --> 01:02:36,640 I I would say far more binding than the 1284 01:02:36,640 --> 01:02:41,109 intent language in the 1%. 1285 01:02:41,119 --> 01:02:44,319 » Absolutely. Um two very different ballot 1286 01:02:44,319 --> 01:02:47,760 questions. So, um, the question going to 1287 01:02:47,760 --> 01:02:49,200 the voters to say, "We'd like to have a 1288 01:02:49,200 --> 01:02:52,400 1% temporary sales tax to do these 1289 01:02:52,400 --> 01:02:55,680 projects is very different from the 1290 01:02:55,680 --> 01:02:57,839 general bond question that went to the 1291 01:02:57,839 --> 01:02:59,520 voters about the public safety 1292 01:02:59,520 --> 01:03:02,000 infrastructure, which was, we're looking 1293 01:03:02,000 --> 01:03:06,160 for permission to go get $12.5 million, 1294 01:03:06,160 --> 01:03:08,720 if I remember correctly, um, in general 1295 01:03:08,720 --> 01:03:12,880 obligation bonds to construct 1296 01:03:12,880 --> 01:03:16,400 this project." And sometimes um you know 1297 01:03:16,400 --> 01:03:18,720 there was also the $10 million 1298 01:03:18,720 --> 01:03:22,400 wastewater infrastructure bond that had 1299 01:03:22,400 --> 01:03:24,799 a couple of projects listed, but we 1300 01:03:24,799 --> 01:03:27,119 can't take any of those bond proceeds 1301 01:03:27,119 --> 01:03:31,039 from that $10 million and use it to go 1302 01:03:31,039 --> 01:03:34,000 build a street or to um go build a 1303 01:03:34,000 --> 01:03:37,599 building. Um so the bond language is is 1304 01:03:37,599 --> 01:03:41,039 very much more binding in particular. um 1305 01:03:41,039 --> 01:03:44,960 the sales tax language. Um we do you 1306 01:03:44,960 --> 01:03:47,039 know we say our intent is to do these 1307 01:03:47,039 --> 01:03:48,880 types of things with this sales sales 1308 01:03:48,880 --> 01:03:52,559 tax fund. Um the sales tax amount that 1309 01:03:52,559 --> 01:03:54,480 we collect is going to be variable. As 1310 01:03:54,480 --> 01:03:57,119 Miss Hugh Scandies um pointed out, we 1311 01:03:57,119 --> 01:04:00,240 you know we collected much less during 1312 01:04:00,240 --> 01:04:03,119 CO collected a lot more on the rebound 1313 01:04:03,119 --> 01:04:06,480 when um you know tourism picked back up 1314 01:04:06,480 --> 01:04:09,760 and so um just very different ballot 1315 01:04:09,760 --> 01:04:11,440 questions. 1316 01:04:11,440 --> 01:04:13,200 >> Thank you 1317 01:04:13,200 --> 01:04:15,039 >> Miss Hall. 1318 01:04:15,039 --> 01:04:17,520 >> And this is going back to the you know 1319 01:04:17,520 --> 01:04:19,599 the projects on this day. So if you 1320 01:04:19,599 --> 01:04:21,920 bring something up through the design 1321 01:04:21,920 --> 01:04:25,039 phase that the federal grant has gone 1322 01:04:25,039 --> 01:04:28,559 away for it and and so basically kind of 1323 01:04:28,559 --> 01:04:31,039 killing the possibility of that project 1324 01:04:31,039 --> 01:04:34,480 or you know is that design okay for you 1325 01:04:34,480 --> 01:04:37,200 know 10 years down the road when we may 1326 01:04:37,200 --> 01:04:39,520 pick it back up and be able to complete 1327 01:04:39,520 --> 01:04:41,599 the project or or how does that work 1328 01:04:41,599 --> 01:04:45,119 with the federal funding that's not 1329 01:04:45,119 --> 01:04:50,150 likely to come through? 1330 01:04:50,160 --> 01:04:52,640 So I I if you're specifically referring 1331 01:04:52,640 --> 01:04:55,119 to Leven Creek multimodal path, we have 1332 01:04:55,119 --> 01:04:58,240 successfully procured uh grants for 1333 01:04:58,240 --> 01:04:59,920 that. Now we do not we still don't have 1334 01:04:59,920 --> 01:05:01,599 enough funding to construct that 1335 01:05:01,599 --> 01:05:07,280 project. Um we also uh are hopeful to in 1336 01:05:07,280 --> 01:05:09,599 the future use some of the funds that we 1337 01:05:09,599 --> 01:05:12,400 have to leverage match for uh future 1338 01:05:12,400 --> 01:05:14,240 federal grants. So does that answer your 1339 01:05:14,240 --> 01:05:14,720 question? 1340 01:05:14,720 --> 01:05:16,880 >> Yeah. Yeah. So the project doesn't go 1341 01:05:16,880 --> 01:05:23,430 away. 1342 01:05:23,440 --> 01:05:24,799 » And mayor, 1343 01:05:24,799 --> 01:05:26,640 >> I don't know if this will help or not to 1344 01:05:26,640 --> 01:05:29,359 remind everybody about the sales tax. So 1345 01:05:29,359 --> 01:05:32,480 if you remember when a sales tax passes, 1346 01:05:32,480 --> 01:05:35,280 we come up with a five-year schedule and 1347 01:05:35,280 --> 01:05:37,119 as an assembly, we change that schedule 1348 01:05:37,119 --> 01:05:39,359 all the time. So there is flexibility in 1349 01:05:39,359 --> 01:05:43,200 it. And um as director Ker says, we also 1350 01:05:43,200 --> 01:05:45,039 have years that the sales tax comes in 1351 01:05:45,039 --> 01:05:47,200 under. So then we don't allocate as 1352 01:05:47,200 --> 01:05:49,359 much. So there is some flexibility, but 1353 01:05:49,359 --> 01:05:51,119 we do try to do the intent of the voter 1354 01:05:51,119 --> 01:05:56,069 as much as possible. 1355 01:05:56,079 --> 01:05:58,319 » Mr. Brooks, 1356 01:05:58,319 --> 01:06:00,720 >> thank you, Madam Chair. I just wanted to 1357 01:06:00,720 --> 01:06:04,799 piggyback on Assembly Member Hall's uh 1358 01:06:04,799 --> 01:06:09,599 question uh for the plans like the 1359 01:06:09,599 --> 01:06:12,480 multimodal path uh being complete and 1360 01:06:12,480 --> 01:06:14,880 then using those plans to secure the 1361 01:06:14,880 --> 01:06:19,119 grants. How long is that plan good for 1362 01:06:19,119 --> 01:06:21,599 to keep applying for grants? Does the 1363 01:06:21,599 --> 01:06:23,680 plan have to be with within the last 5 1364 01:06:23,680 --> 01:06:26,400 years or uh what are the requirements 1365 01:06:26,400 --> 01:06:28,319 for applying for more grants with 1366 01:06:28,319 --> 01:06:32,069 projects like that? 1367 01:06:32,079 --> 01:06:34,559 » It's 100% dependent on the specific 1368 01:06:34,559 --> 01:06:36,480 grant program that you would be applying 1369 01:06:36,480 --> 01:06:38,240 to. Generally speaking, work that we put 1370 01:06:38,240 --> 01:06:42,160 into developing a project doesn't go 1371 01:06:42,160 --> 01:06:46,400 stale or or or die or change unless 1372 01:06:46,400 --> 01:06:48,559 there are extenduating circumstances 1373 01:06:48,559 --> 01:06:50,400 that that you know change the nature of 1374 01:06:50,400 --> 01:06:52,160 it. I mean I if isostatic rebound 1375 01:06:52,160 --> 01:06:57,520 totally changes uh the uh um geotech in 1376 01:06:57,520 --> 01:07:01,359 that area um then maybe our design for a 1377 01:07:01,359 --> 01:07:04,799 path that is over um that is a raised 1378 01:07:04,799 --> 01:07:06,880 path doesn't have have to be a raised 1379 01:07:06,880 --> 01:07:09,680 path anymore but of course you know 1380 01:07:09,680 --> 01:07:12,319 those are things that are are hard to um 1381 01:07:12,319 --> 01:07:15,359 hard to predict. So I I guess you know 1382 01:07:15,359 --> 01:07:18,240 the work that we do on projects um is is 1383 01:07:18,240 --> 01:07:21,440 always good work uh and is also 1384 01:07:21,440 --> 01:07:25,039 sometimes uh becomes outdated like like 1385 01:07:25,039 --> 01:07:28,640 any work but there's no set um 1386 01:07:28,640 --> 01:07:30,880 there's no set time that that all 1387 01:07:30,880 --> 01:07:32,480 federal agencies or all granting 1388 01:07:32,480 --> 01:07:35,119 agencies have have put on that unlike 1389 01:07:35,119 --> 01:07:37,119 when you apply for NEPA or some of those 1390 01:07:37,119 --> 01:07:38,559 processes that you're more familiar with 1391 01:07:38,559 --> 01:07:39,680 where you're like you have to do it 1392 01:07:39,680 --> 01:07:42,480 within a specific time frame. 1393 01:07:42,480 --> 01:07:48,470 Okay, 1394 01:07:48,480 --> 01:07:51,359 » I think we can keep going. 1395 01:07:51,359 --> 01:07:56,766 All right, page two of the memo. 1396 01:07:56,766 --> 01:07:57,760 [laughter] 1397 01:07:57,760 --> 01:07:59,520 So, um, we already spent time talking 1398 01:07:59,520 --> 01:08:01,680 about the FY25 update and again, just, 1399 01:08:01,680 --> 01:08:03,200 you know, all of our topics today weaved 1400 01:08:03,200 --> 01:08:05,599 together. Um, I do want to take a moment 1401 01:08:05,599 --> 01:08:07,039 and just talk about our revenue 1402 01:08:07,039 --> 01:08:11,280 estimates. Um because as as we began 1403 01:08:11,280 --> 01:08:14,000 work in the spring talking about um 1404 01:08:14,000 --> 01:08:16,719 sales tax and exemptions and different 1405 01:08:16,719 --> 01:08:20,640 um ways that that might be constructed. 1406 01:08:20,640 --> 01:08:24,159 Um you know we as staff put together a 1407 01:08:24,159 --> 01:08:26,960 model. It was based on information that 1408 01:08:26,960 --> 01:08:32,480 we had. Um certainly um we do not have 1409 01:08:32,480 --> 01:08:35,440 we have not collected complete data in 1410 01:08:35,440 --> 01:08:38,319 the past to answer exactly how much 1411 01:08:38,319 --> 01:08:40,400 revenue is going to change because of 1412 01:08:40,400 --> 01:08:43,839 the two exemptions being um food and 1413 01:08:43,839 --> 01:08:47,199 utilities um what exactly that number is 1414 01:08:47,199 --> 01:08:49,279 going to be going forward. So, we put 1415 01:08:49,279 --> 01:08:51,120 together an estimate uh based on 1416 01:08:51,120 --> 01:08:52,719 information that we had, assumptions 1417 01:08:52,719 --> 01:08:55,440 that we made. Um I know other members in 1418 01:08:55,440 --> 01:08:57,520 the community put together models. Um 1419 01:08:57,520 --> 01:08:59,759 some of those we shared and discussed 1420 01:08:59,759 --> 01:09:01,279 were relatively close. They weren't 1421 01:09:01,279 --> 01:09:02,799 exactly the same. They were built on 1422 01:09:02,799 --> 01:09:04,480 slightly different data, slightly 1423 01:09:04,480 --> 01:09:06,480 different assumptions. Um I think the 1424 01:09:06,480 --> 01:09:08,239 one thing that we all agreed on is the 1425 01:09:08,239 --> 01:09:10,880 impact to the revenue is not zero, but 1426 01:09:10,880 --> 01:09:14,239 what it actually is is somewhat unknown. 1427 01:09:14,239 --> 01:09:17,679 The first full quarter of um sales tax 1428 01:09:17,679 --> 01:09:20,000 collection with these new exemptions is 1429 01:09:20,000 --> 01:09:22,239 going to be January, February, March. 1430 01:09:22,239 --> 01:09:24,719 Those sales tax returns and remittance 1431 01:09:24,719 --> 01:09:27,759 remittances are due April 30th. So it 1432 01:09:27,759 --> 01:09:30,880 will be miday before we know what that 1433 01:09:30,880 --> 01:09:33,279 first quarter even looks like. By that 1434 01:09:33,279 --> 01:09:36,000 time, 1435 01:09:36,000 --> 01:09:38,319 if you all follow the same trajectory as 1436 01:09:38,319 --> 01:09:40,400 you usually do, which is good, um you 1437 01:09:40,400 --> 01:09:42,159 will be done with the budget discussions 1438 01:09:42,159 --> 01:09:44,480 and all of those budget legisl 1439 01:09:44,480 --> 01:09:46,560 legislation pieces will be waiting for 1440 01:09:46,560 --> 01:09:48,400 the full assembly to act on in the 1441 01:09:48,400 --> 01:09:50,319 beginning of June before we even know 1442 01:09:50,319 --> 01:09:52,880 what the first full quarter looks like. 1443 01:09:52,880 --> 01:09:55,600 So, we just need to again acknowledge 1444 01:09:55,600 --> 01:09:57,280 that all of these estimates are 1445 01:09:57,280 --> 01:09:59,840 estimates. Um it is going to take a 1446 01:09:59,840 --> 01:10:02,239 while for us to see the full impact of 1447 01:10:02,239 --> 01:10:04,239 these exemptions and how how they play 1448 01:10:04,239 --> 01:10:07,600 out um before we know what the true 1449 01:10:07,600 --> 01:10:11,280 numbers are. Um there are a lot of ways 1450 01:10:11,280 --> 01:10:14,320 that um that we can go about reducing 1451 01:10:14,320 --> 01:10:15,520 the budget. We know that there is a 1452 01:10:15,520 --> 01:10:17,040 revenue impact. We know that we're going 1453 01:10:17,040 --> 01:10:22,880 to have to reduce our FY27 budget. Um we 1454 01:10:22,880 --> 01:10:26,000 um can definitely take many approaches. 1455 01:10:26,000 --> 01:10:27,920 Um, one approach that's often used is 1456 01:10:27,920 --> 01:10:29,679 just across the board cuts. Everybody 1457 01:10:29,679 --> 01:10:33,679 cuts 5%, everybody cuts 10%. Um, I would 1458 01:10:33,679 --> 01:10:36,719 argue that that's um, 1459 01:10:36,719 --> 01:10:38,400 in some ways people will say that's 1460 01:10:38,400 --> 01:10:40,080 completely fair. Everybody deals with 1461 01:10:40,080 --> 01:10:43,280 the same percentage of pain. Um, but 1462 01:10:43,280 --> 01:10:45,120 certainly how departments are 1463 01:10:45,120 --> 01:10:47,199 constructed and the services they give 1464 01:10:47,199 --> 01:10:48,880 don't necessarily always lend themselves 1465 01:10:48,880 --> 01:10:51,040 to just a straight across the board cut. 1466 01:10:51,040 --> 01:10:53,520 So, if you're um I think I used HR as an 1467 01:10:53,520 --> 01:10:56,000 example in the memo who really has 1468 01:10:56,000 --> 01:10:58,560 people and a couple of paper clips, a 5% 1469 01:10:58,560 --> 01:11:00,239 cut to them is going to be very 1470 01:11:00,239 --> 01:11:02,159 different from like a streets department 1471 01:11:02,159 --> 01:11:04,560 that has people and equipment and lots 1472 01:11:04,560 --> 01:11:07,280 of supplies and other things. And so, um 1473 01:11:07,280 --> 01:11:09,600 being able to manage that kind of um a 1474 01:11:09,600 --> 01:11:12,320 cut would be different. Um oftent times 1475 01:11:12,320 --> 01:11:13,920 um organizations will say we're just 1476 01:11:13,920 --> 01:11:16,159 going to do hiring freezes, which is 1477 01:11:16,159 --> 01:11:18,880 okay as a shortterm kind of get through 1478 01:11:18,880 --> 01:11:21,360 a period where you're making decisions. 1479 01:11:21,360 --> 01:11:25,760 Um but a hiring freeze is not a 1480 01:11:25,760 --> 01:11:28,719 permanent reduction to expenditures. The 1481 01:11:28,719 --> 01:11:30,640 only way that that turns into a 1482 01:11:30,640 --> 01:11:32,640 reduction of expenditure expenditures is 1483 01:11:32,640 --> 01:11:35,520 by reduction of positions. Um which in 1484 01:11:35,520 --> 01:11:37,120 our case usually means a reduction of 1485 01:11:37,120 --> 01:11:38,960 services. So hiring freeze could be an 1486 01:11:38,960 --> 01:11:41,600 option. A lot of people or different 1487 01:11:41,600 --> 01:11:43,520 organizations might say, "Oh, we're just 1488 01:11:43,520 --> 01:11:46,000 going to stop doing whatever. No more 1489 01:11:46,000 --> 01:11:48,000 training. Uh we're not paying for 1490 01:11:48,000 --> 01:11:49,440 certifications. We're not going to 1491 01:11:49,440 --> 01:11:51,199 offer, you know, we're not going to pay 1492 01:11:51,199 --> 01:11:54,159 for this line of of business." Um that's 1493 01:11:54,159 --> 01:11:57,040 one way to do it. Um service reductions 1494 01:11:57,040 --> 01:12:01,520 are another way to look at um either um 1495 01:12:01,520 --> 01:12:03,199 bringing down a level of service, 1496 01:12:03,199 --> 01:12:05,600 eliminating services. Um there's a lot 1497 01:12:05,600 --> 01:12:07,600 of ways to get to um what those might 1498 01:12:07,600 --> 01:12:10,960 be. Um, another way to fill a um a 1499 01:12:10,960 --> 01:12:14,880 budget gap is to increase revenue. So, 1500 01:12:14,880 --> 01:12:16,560 um, there's only so many ways that 1501 01:12:16,560 --> 01:12:19,199 revenue can be increased um, with our 1502 01:12:19,199 --> 01:12:21,840 particular um, situation, but looking at 1503 01:12:21,840 --> 01:12:26,400 revenues might be a way um, to also um, 1504 01:12:26,400 --> 01:12:29,199 reduce the gap. And then um finally, 1505 01:12:29,199 --> 01:12:31,440 there's a lot of just tools in the 1506 01:12:31,440 --> 01:12:35,440 toolkit for um the manager and for um 1507 01:12:35,440 --> 01:12:38,239 finance and budget staff as we work 1508 01:12:38,239 --> 01:12:40,719 through budget preparation and that um 1509 01:12:40,719 --> 01:12:42,159 we already talked about like uh 1510 01:12:42,159 --> 01:12:44,800 personnel lapses and right right sizing 1511 01:12:44,800 --> 01:12:46,560 how much we think we're going to fill 1512 01:12:46,560 --> 01:12:48,239 positions or how much turnover we think 1513 01:12:48,239 --> 01:12:50,320 we're going to experience. Um and 1514 01:12:50,320 --> 01:12:52,159 there's a lot of tools that we do that 1515 01:12:52,159 --> 01:12:54,480 are just kind of invisible behind the 1516 01:12:54,480 --> 01:12:56,960 scenes that we can use to um help 1517 01:12:56,960 --> 01:13:00,400 mitigate um budget. So um there's a lot 1518 01:13:00,400 --> 01:13:03,360 of options um available to us. This is 1519 01:13:03,360 --> 01:13:05,120 certainly not a comprehensive list, but 1520 01:13:05,120 --> 01:13:06,560 those are kind of the the big highlights 1521 01:13:06,560 --> 01:13:08,560 of how um particularly governmental 1522 01:13:08,560 --> 01:13:11,280 organizations um look to reduce um 1523 01:13:11,280 --> 01:13:13,840 budgets. 1524 01:13:13,840 --> 01:13:14,239 >> Go ahead. 1525 01:13:14,239 --> 01:13:16,400 >> If I could add my color. Uh Angie said 1526 01:13:16,400 --> 01:13:18,560 that it's it's her job to present my uh 1527 01:13:18,560 --> 01:13:20,340 job to add colorful commentary. 1528 01:13:20,340 --> 01:13:21,120 [laughter] 1529 01:13:21,120 --> 01:13:23,840 So I just want to remind people that on 1530 01:13:23,840 --> 01:13:25,920 budget assumptions that is certainly one 1531 01:13:25,920 --> 01:13:28,560 way to make you know changing those is 1532 01:13:28,560 --> 01:13:30,400 certainly one way to make our budget and 1533 01:13:30,400 --> 01:13:33,280 our actuals match uh more accurately but 1534 01:13:33,280 --> 01:13:36,480 it is not um reducing what we spend or 1535 01:13:36,480 --> 01:13:40,320 increasing what we earn. So um it's it's 1536 01:13:40,320 --> 01:13:43,840 the tool that like uh just makes us more 1537 01:13:43,840 --> 01:13:46,159 accurate. it doesn't actually change our 1538 01:13:46,159 --> 01:13:49,990 financial decision. 1539 01:13:50,000 --> 01:13:51,440 » Thank you. [clears throat] 1540 01:13:51,440 --> 01:13:53,840 Um so as as staff we've talked about 1541 01:13:53,840 --> 01:13:55,679 like how we might recommend that we move 1542 01:13:55,679 --> 01:13:59,440 forward and um our recommendation um for 1543 01:13:59,440 --> 01:14:01,679 your consideration is a combination of 1544 01:14:01,679 --> 01:14:04,159 looking at service reductions. 1545 01:14:04,159 --> 01:14:05,840 um there are some places where we may be 1546 01:14:05,840 --> 01:14:08,880 able to adjust revenue and then um just 1547 01:14:08,880 --> 01:14:10,640 you know internally we'll use those 1548 01:14:10,640 --> 01:14:12,480 tools um associated with budget 1549 01:14:12,480 --> 01:14:15,760 assumptions um to tighten things up. So 1550 01:14:15,760 --> 01:14:17,840 um that would be our our recommendation 1551 01:14:17,840 --> 01:14:20,800 going forward. Um 1552 01:14:20,800 --> 01:14:22,640 that decision doesn't necessarily have 1553 01:14:22,640 --> 01:14:25,440 to be made tonight. Um but Chair Wald 1554 01:14:25,440 --> 01:14:27,280 might be a great place to pause and see 1555 01:14:27,280 --> 01:14:37,750 if there are any questions. 1556 01:14:37,760 --> 01:14:39,760 I've got one. 1557 01:14:39,760 --> 01:14:43,440 I I it is to me it's really helpful to 1558 01:14:43,440 --> 01:14:45,920 have this terminology here around 1559 01:14:45,920 --> 01:14:48,159 options so that 1560 01:14:48,159 --> 01:14:49,679 you know I think these will be ongoing 1561 01:14:49,679 --> 01:14:51,679 conversations and we can use shared 1562 01:14:51,679 --> 01:14:53,440 vocabulary. 1563 01:14:53,440 --> 01:14:54,719 You know some things that have been 1564 01:14:54,719 --> 01:14:57,360 suggested 1565 01:14:57,360 --> 01:14:59,120 um 1566 01:14:59,120 --> 01:15:00,480 you know that people have been talking 1567 01:15:00,480 --> 01:15:03,920 about I'm curious what category you'd 1568 01:15:03,920 --> 01:15:07,840 put them in. Um 1569 01:15:07,840 --> 01:15:11,280 shifting to more debt has been something 1570 01:15:11,280 --> 01:15:14,000 that's been discussed um as we were 1571 01:15:14,000 --> 01:15:16,320 preparing for these ballot initiatives 1572 01:15:16,320 --> 01:15:18,960 that you know we we may things that 1573 01:15:18,960 --> 01:15:21,199 typically would have been covered by 1574 01:15:21,199 --> 01:15:24,880 revenue you know can be put 1575 01:15:24,880 --> 01:15:29,760 to voters for debt financing. Um, and 1576 01:15:29,760 --> 01:15:31,760 you know, the other things are kind of 1577 01:15:31,760 --> 01:15:33,920 redirecting revenues that used to go to 1578 01:15:33,920 --> 01:15:36,320 some things and maybe now should go 1579 01:15:36,320 --> 01:15:38,159 somewhere else. So, we're going to talk 1580 01:15:38,159 --> 01:15:40,880 about one of those tonight with dockage 1581 01:15:40,880 --> 01:15:42,560 fees, which used to go somewhere and 1582 01:15:42,560 --> 01:15:44,000 we're like, maybe we should go somewhere 1583 01:15:44,000 --> 01:15:46,719 else. Hotel bed tax also comes to mind. 1584 01:15:46,719 --> 01:15:50,000 Should I be thinking about those as kind 1585 01:15:50,000 --> 01:15:52,560 of in the revenue increase 1586 01:15:52,560 --> 01:15:55,760 bucket? You know, 1587 01:15:55,760 --> 01:15:57,840 in terms of what you're recommending, do 1588 01:15:57,840 --> 01:16:00,719 those things kind of fit 1589 01:16:00,719 --> 01:16:04,960 neatly in any category? 1590 01:16:04,960 --> 01:16:07,920 >> Thank you, Chair. Well, um I'd like to 1591 01:16:07,920 --> 01:16:11,520 um tackle those um very distinctly. So, 1592 01:16:11,520 --> 01:16:13,760 um let's deal with this the the second 1593 01:16:13,760 --> 01:16:15,840 thought process that you brought up f um 1594 01:16:15,840 --> 01:16:19,040 first, which is um reallocating revenue 1595 01:16:19,040 --> 01:16:25,440 or redirecting revenue. Um I think that does fall in in the revenue um 1596 01:16:25,440 --> 01:16:27,840 conversation, not necessarily increasing 1597 01:16:27,840 --> 01:16:30,159 revenue, but I but I do think it's it is 1598 01:16:30,159 --> 01:16:34,159 it could be um a combination of um a 1599 01:16:34,159 --> 01:16:37,199 service reduction and a revenue 1600 01:16:37,199 --> 01:16:39,360 increase, right? So, if we used to spend 1601 01:16:39,360 --> 01:16:40,880 revenue here and we don't want to do 1602 01:16:40,880 --> 01:16:42,640 that anymore, that might be a service 1603 01:16:42,640 --> 01:16:44,800 reduction and then taking that revenue 1604 01:16:44,800 --> 01:16:48,320 and allocating it somewhere else. Um, 1605 01:16:48,320 --> 01:16:50,640 as far as like putting in category, um, 1606 01:16:50,640 --> 01:16:52,800 I think you could certainly, um, put 1607 01:16:52,800 --> 01:16:54,560 that in kind of a revenue increase 1608 01:16:54,560 --> 01:16:57,280 category. Um, a revenue reallocation, 1609 01:16:57,280 --> 01:16:59,679 um, would fit in there. Um the first 1610 01:16:59,679 --> 01:17:02,320 item that you mentioned about using um 1611 01:17:02,320 --> 01:17:04,719 debt perhaps 1612 01:17:04,719 --> 01:17:08,880 um as an option. Um I think these budget 1613 01:17:08,880 --> 01:17:12,000 reduction options that are in the memo 1614 01:17:12,000 --> 01:17:15,600 are really geared towards operations. So 1615 01:17:15,600 --> 01:17:18,800 operational reductions to the budget. 1616 01:17:18,800 --> 01:17:21,760 When we talk about utilizing debt, we 1617 01:17:21,760 --> 01:17:23,679 should not be talking about debt to run 1618 01:17:23,679 --> 01:17:25,840 our operations, right? So debt is really 1619 01:17:25,840 --> 01:17:30,480 geared around projects. And so um it it 1620 01:17:30,480 --> 01:17:34,800 might be that um we want to use debt as 1621 01:17:34,800 --> 01:17:37,679 a mechanism to fund various 1622 01:17:37,679 --> 01:17:39,360 infrastructure projects or capital 1623 01:17:39,360 --> 01:17:43,120 projects more so um in the future than 1624 01:17:43,120 --> 01:17:44,719 whereas we may have just taken fund 1625 01:17:44,719 --> 01:17:47,120 balance and allocated. Um but that is 1626 01:17:47,120 --> 01:17:48,239 definitely [clears throat] 1627 01:17:48,239 --> 01:17:51,120 um more of a a one-time 1628 01:17:51,120 --> 01:17:54,239 um usage of funds. And so we would want 1629 01:17:54,239 --> 01:17:57,280 to talk about um the utilization of debt 1630 01:17:57,280 --> 01:18:00,640 more in a in a capital project kind of 1631 01:18:00,640 --> 01:18:07,520 discussion. Although um you know when it comes time to um revisit some of 1632 01:18:07,520 --> 01:18:10,560 these uh temporary sales tax, maybe the 1633 01:18:10,560 --> 01:18:13,440 structure that's presented um looks 1634 01:18:13,440 --> 01:18:15,120 different going to the voters the next 1635 01:18:15,120 --> 01:18:18,159 time around than what we have today. And 1636 01:18:18,159 --> 01:18:20,480 so that might be um you know part of the 1637 01:18:20,480 --> 01:18:22,320 conversation. But certainly when we talk 1638 01:18:22,320 --> 01:18:24,159 about debt we should really focus that 1639 01:18:24,159 --> 01:18:28,320 on um funding of projects certainly not 1640 01:18:28,320 --> 01:18:29,840 funding of operation and that was the 1641 01:18:29,840 --> 01:18:31,679 intent of these reductions was more 1642 01:18:31,679 --> 01:18:34,800 operationally speaking 1643 01:18:34,800 --> 01:18:40,149 >> makes sense. Thanks Mr. Smith. 1644 01:18:40,159 --> 01:18:43,920 » Thank you Madam Chair. Um 1645 01:18:43,920 --> 01:18:46,880 I guess I it's not a question. It's more 1646 01:18:46,880 --> 01:18:48,719 of a comment. 1647 01:18:48,719 --> 01:18:50,640 So if we're if we're not if we're not 1648 01:18:50,640 --> 01:18:52,640 ready to get there quite yet, then then 1649 01:18:52,640 --> 01:18:55,679 that's fine. I um I did just have a 1650 01:18:55,679 --> 01:18:57,440 comment about the budget assumptions, 1651 01:18:57,440 --> 01:18:59,280 especially in light of the you know the 1652 01:18:59,280 --> 01:19:02,080 response to my question earlier on um 1653 01:19:02,080 --> 01:19:03,920 investment returns and how those can 1654 01:19:03,920 --> 01:19:07,840 swing in both directions. So but I can 1655 01:19:07,840 --> 01:19:08,960 I'll hold it for now. 1656 01:19:08,960 --> 01:19:11,040 >> Yeah, let's hold for now. I think we're 1657 01:19:11,040 --> 01:19:13,760 going to get pretty I bet lots of folks 1658 01:19:13,760 --> 01:19:16,719 are an anxious here to get to a little 1659 01:19:16,719 --> 01:19:20,400 bit more discussion. Um, 1660 01:19:20,400 --> 01:19:24,560 you want to talk us through more about 1661 01:19:24,560 --> 01:19:28,159 um I guess FY well we'll start with FY26 1662 01:19:28,159 --> 01:19:29,600 and I think some of the stuff will come 1663 01:19:29,600 --> 01:19:30,640 up. 1664 01:19:30,640 --> 01:19:35,199 >> Okay. Um certainly so um 1665 01:19:35,199 --> 01:19:37,840 you know given given the fact that we 1666 01:19:37,840 --> 01:19:40,560 did have um particularly [clears throat] 1667 01:19:40,560 --> 01:19:42,000 um interest earnings that we hadn't 1668 01:19:42,000 --> 01:19:46,560 counted on um we have we have the 1669 01:19:46,560 --> 01:19:51,120 opportunity to um take some time to make 1670 01:19:51,120 --> 01:19:55,199 thoughtful decisions about 1671 01:19:55,199 --> 01:19:59,440 reductions that we need to make. So, um, 1672 01:19:59,440 --> 01:20:02,960 we, you know, certainly we could make 1673 01:20:02,960 --> 01:20:06,960 some decisions today to make service 1674 01:20:06,960 --> 01:20:10,560 reductions today. Um but you know 1675 01:20:10,560 --> 01:20:12,800 certainly any reductions that any 1676 01:20:12,800 --> 01:20:15,199 service reductions that we make um have 1677 01:20:15,199 --> 01:20:17,520 an impact and um I would suspect that 1678 01:20:17,520 --> 01:20:21,280 the body wants to um take some time to 1679 01:20:21,280 --> 01:20:25,120 um thoughtfully consider those. um 1680 01:20:25,120 --> 01:20:29,360 engage the public in those. And um I 1681 01:20:29,360 --> 01:20:33,120 think that we have an opportunity to um 1682 01:20:33,120 --> 01:20:35,360 utilize some of that extra revenue that 1683 01:20:35,360 --> 01:20:39,679 we got in 25 to give us the time to make 1684 01:20:39,679 --> 01:20:41,760 thoughtful decisions on where we want to 1685 01:20:41,760 --> 01:20:44,159 make reductions. And so when we think 1686 01:20:44,159 --> 01:20:46,719 about FY26, 1687 01:20:46,719 --> 01:20:49,840 um our recommendation would be to have 1688 01:20:49,840 --> 01:20:52,000 the assembly take the time to make those 1689 01:20:52,000 --> 01:20:54,960 thoughtful decisions rather than jumping 1690 01:20:54,960 --> 01:20:58,640 to um cut things um right away and and 1691 01:20:58,640 --> 01:21:01,520 allow yourselves the time to um engage 1692 01:21:01,520 --> 01:21:03,280 in a public process that's meaningful to 1693 01:21:03,280 --> 01:21:05,920 you to get the um information that you 1694 01:21:05,920 --> 01:21:07,920 need to make those decisions. 1695 01:21:07,920 --> 01:21:08,800 Um [snorts] 1696 01:21:08,800 --> 01:21:11,840 we did um there are um um a couple 1697 01:21:11,840 --> 01:21:13,199 things that we'd like to bring out about 1698 01:21:13,199 --> 01:21:14,800 FY26. 1699 01:21:14,800 --> 01:21:20,000 So, um, when we distributed 1700 01:21:20,000 --> 01:21:22,400 general fundbased 1701 01:21:22,400 --> 01:21:24,239 assembly grants that were approved in 1702 01:21:24,239 --> 01:21:27,920 the FY26 budget, um, we distributed a 1703 01:21:27,920 --> 01:21:31,120 portion of those grants. Um, and we let 1704 01:21:31,120 --> 01:21:33,120 those grantees know that we would get 1705 01:21:33,120 --> 01:21:36,719 back to them mid November to um after 1706 01:21:36,719 --> 01:21:38,480 the election came through and and the 1707 01:21:38,480 --> 01:21:41,679 assembly had a chance to discuss um kind 1708 01:21:41,679 --> 01:21:43,760 of what we needed to do going forward in 1709 01:21:43,760 --> 01:21:46,320 response to the election. Um we would 1710 01:21:46,320 --> 01:21:49,760 let them know if the full FY26 amount 1711 01:21:49,760 --> 01:21:53,600 would be um remitted out to them or if 1712 01:21:53,600 --> 01:21:56,880 there would need to be um a reduction in 1713 01:21:56,880 --> 01:22:01,360 the FY26 grants. And so we do um need to 1714 01:22:01,360 --> 01:22:04,400 provide some guidance to or we need your 1715 01:22:04,400 --> 01:22:06,400 guidance so we can provide communication 1716 01:22:06,400 --> 01:22:08,960 to those assembly grantees about the 1717 01:22:08,960 --> 01:22:12,960 FY26 distribution of grants. 1718 01:22:12,960 --> 01:22:16,080 Um handed out to you um was a sheet of 1719 01:22:16,080 --> 01:22:18,719 paper that has the list of the grantees, 1720 01:22:18,719 --> 01:22:20,719 the amount that was budgeted, what has 1721 01:22:20,719 --> 01:22:22,800 actually been dispersed to them, and 1722 01:22:22,800 --> 01:22:26,080 what's remaining to be dispersed. um not 1723 01:22:26,080 --> 01:22:28,960 all of those fall fall in this category. 1724 01:22:28,960 --> 01:22:31,040 Some of those um grantees are 1725 01:22:31,040 --> 01:22:33,040 reimbursement grantees. Some of those 1726 01:22:33,040 --> 01:22:34,800 grantees have marine passenger fee 1727 01:22:34,800 --> 01:22:36,239 funds. So those are kind of outside the 1728 01:22:36,239 --> 01:22:39,600 scope of the conversation, but that's um 1729 01:22:39,600 --> 01:22:41,520 what what to do next on assembly grants 1730 01:22:41,520 --> 01:22:44,159 is something that we will be looking for 1731 01:22:44,159 --> 01:22:47,760 um your guidance on um tonight. Um there 1732 01:22:47,760 --> 01:22:49,760 may be other things that you wish to 1733 01:22:49,760 --> 01:22:53,280 give um staff guidance on. Um if there 1734 01:22:53,280 --> 01:22:55,679 are areas where you want to pause on 1735 01:22:55,679 --> 01:22:57,199 programs 1736 01:22:57,199 --> 01:22:58,880 um you know for instance we know the 1737 01:22:58,880 --> 01:23:01,840 affordable housing program grants and 1738 01:23:01,840 --> 01:23:04,880 loans um is in process but no official 1739 01:23:04,880 --> 01:23:07,040 awards have been made yet. That could be 1740 01:23:07,040 --> 01:23:08,880 a potential area where you may want to 1741 01:23:08,880 --> 01:23:12,239 just pause on that um and decide if you 1742 01:23:12,239 --> 01:23:13,840 want to really want to give those grants 1743 01:23:13,840 --> 01:23:18,000 or loans out this year or not. Um, we've 1744 01:23:18,000 --> 01:23:19,520 already spent a lot of time talking 1745 01:23:19,520 --> 01:23:24,239 about um, projects and certainly um, not 1746 01:23:24,239 --> 01:23:27,199 doing projects doesn't solve a recurring 1747 01:23:27,199 --> 01:23:30,080 revenue gap. Um, but there may be other 1748 01:23:30,080 --> 01:23:32,880 projects that you want to 1749 01:23:32,880 --> 01:23:35,920 um, have staff pause on. U, whether that 1750 01:23:35,920 --> 01:23:38,080 be onetime expenditures or actual 1751 01:23:38,080 --> 01:23:41,199 projects. Um, we mentioned a couple in 1752 01:23:41,199 --> 01:23:44,719 the um, memo. Um the gondola project is 1753 01:23:44,719 --> 01:23:47,520 one that um we know is going to require 1754 01:23:47,520 --> 01:23:50,400 more funding um you know under the 1755 01:23:50,400 --> 01:23:52,000 assembly direction. We're moving forward 1756 01:23:52,000 --> 01:23:56,639 on that. Um so that that might be one 1757 01:23:56,639 --> 01:23:58,960 where you want to to have staff take 1758 01:23:58,960 --> 01:24:03,040 pause. Um [clears throat] we know that 1759 01:24:03,040 --> 01:24:05,360 um there's additional funds that we're 1760 01:24:05,360 --> 01:24:08,159 going to need to allocate to the um 1761 01:24:08,159 --> 01:24:09,920 renovation of the Burns building to move 1762 01:24:09,920 --> 01:24:12,400 staff in there. Um we know that that's 1763 01:24:12,400 --> 01:24:15,600 coming up. Um there are other projects. 1764 01:24:15,600 --> 01:24:17,199 Um some of them we've mentioned tonight 1765 01:24:17,199 --> 01:24:19,600 already in discussion about projects. Um 1766 01:24:19,600 --> 01:24:22,320 the waterfront city museum um the North 1767 01:24:22,320 --> 01:24:24,800 State Office parking building parking 1768 01:24:24,800 --> 01:24:26,719 garage. Um there are just some out there 1769 01:24:26,719 --> 01:24:30,400 that we know um might be um of interest 1770 01:24:30,400 --> 01:24:32,880 for the assembly to pause. And so 1771 01:24:32,880 --> 01:24:34,560 whether we want to take action on those 1772 01:24:34,560 --> 01:24:36,560 tonight, some questions that we have for 1773 01:24:36,560 --> 01:24:40,400 you is whether or not you want um staff 1774 01:24:40,400 --> 01:24:42,800 um or I guess staff recommends that we 1775 01:24:42,800 --> 01:24:45,040 don't um make any broad service 1776 01:24:45,040 --> 01:24:48,000 reductions or formal operating budget 1777 01:24:48,000 --> 01:24:52,560 reductions right now for 26. Um and um 1778 01:24:52,560 --> 01:24:55,120 you know the assembly guidance on that 1779 01:24:55,120 --> 01:24:57,199 um or if you have guidance on where you 1780 01:24:57,199 --> 01:25:00,080 want reductions to happen um we would 1781 01:25:00,080 --> 01:25:02,239 need to hear that from you. Um, we do 1782 01:25:02,239 --> 01:25:05,840 have um a question about um having you 1783 01:25:05,840 --> 01:25:08,320 all direct to us to either distribute or 1784 01:25:08,320 --> 01:25:10,480 not distribute the rest of the remaining 1785 01:25:10,480 --> 01:25:13,840 assembly grant funds and then um just 1786 01:25:13,840 --> 01:25:15,199 you know if there's any direction that 1787 01:25:15,199 --> 01:25:18,320 you want to give staff on FY26 1788 01:25:18,320 --> 01:25:20,560 one-time expenses or projects that might 1789 01:25:20,560 --> 01:25:23,040 be out there and if there's commentary 1790 01:25:23,040 --> 01:25:28,149 that you want to provide to that. 1791 01:25:28,159 --> 01:25:29,520 » Oh, thank you Director Flick. I think 1792 01:25:29,520 --> 01:25:34,239 you did a great job summarizing uh the guidance that we're looking for. You 1793 01:25:34,239 --> 01:25:36,480 know, we appreciate that there's a lot 1794 01:25:36,480 --> 01:25:40,480 of uh public process and assembly um 1795 01:25:40,480 --> 01:25:43,920 debate that needs to happen around uh 1796 01:25:43,920 --> 01:25:46,320 service reductions and around cuts, but 1797 01:25:46,320 --> 01:25:48,560 we also want to make sure that um you 1798 01:25:48,560 --> 01:25:50,239 know that those decisions rest in your 1799 01:25:50,239 --> 01:25:52,159 hands. So, if if you see things that 1800 01:25:52,159 --> 01:25:54,239 need to be addressed sooner because of 1801 01:25:54,239 --> 01:25:56,960 the direct impacts in FY26, we are we're 1802 01:25:56,960 --> 01:25:59,040 ready to have those conversations. So 1803 01:25:59,040 --> 01:26:00,800 this is an opportunity to give us that 1804 01:26:00,800 --> 01:26:03,830 direction. 1805 01:26:03,840 --> 01:26:07,040 » Any last questions on staff 1806 01:26:07,040 --> 01:26:09,840 recommendations on FY26 or the general 1807 01:26:09,840 --> 01:26:12,159 state before we have a conversation? 1808 01:26:12,159 --> 01:26:14,639 Mayor Weldon. 1809 01:26:14,639 --> 01:26:16,560 >> Thank you. So just the FY26 1810 01:26:16,560 --> 01:26:20,400 recommendation. So if we used um 1811 01:26:20,400 --> 01:26:23,120 the 6.4 million that leaves us 8.5 1812 01:26:23,120 --> 01:26:25,360 million roughly in our unrestricted fund 1813 01:26:25,360 --> 01:26:29,189 balance. Is that correct? 1814 01:26:29,199 --> 01:26:35,360 Uh, Mayor Weldon, the um FY 26 expected 1815 01:26:35,360 --> 01:26:37,600 fund balance given the actions that the 1816 01:26:37,600 --> 01:26:41,520 assembly have taken so far. 1817 01:26:41,520 --> 01:26:42,960 Give me a moment while I find the page 1818 01:26:42,960 --> 01:26:45,600 in the packet. Uh, page 23 of the 1819 01:26:45,600 --> 01:26:48,960 packet, the last of the FI25 update. You 1820 01:26:48,960 --> 01:26:52,239 currently have 15 million um sitting in 1821 01:26:52,239 --> 01:26:54,880 your unrestricted fund balance. That 1822 01:26:54,880 --> 01:26:56,880 includes an anticipated revenue 1823 01:26:56,880 --> 01:26:58,480 reduction 1824 01:26:58,480 --> 01:27:01,440 of um 1825 01:27:01,440 --> 01:27:05,760 is it 6.7 million 6.4 million um that we 1826 01:27:05,760 --> 01:27:08,480 anticipate of loss revenue from sales 1827 01:27:08,480 --> 01:27:11,840 tax. So you would still have 15 million 1828 01:27:11,840 --> 01:27:15,199 left in your unrestricted fund balance 1829 01:27:15,199 --> 01:27:18,159 >> projected at the end of the fiscal year 1830 01:27:18,159 --> 01:27:18,880 26. 1831 01:27:18,880 --> 01:27:23,350 >> That is correct. 1832 01:27:23,360 --> 01:27:25,679 » Caster I I will just highlight that that 1833 01:27:25,679 --> 01:27:29,520 um does not include IFFF and PSA uh 1834 01:27:29,520 --> 01:27:32,320 negotiated wage increases. Um so just 1835 01:27:32,320 --> 01:27:34,000 always keep that in the back of your 1836 01:27:34,000 --> 01:27:41,189 head as another liability. 1837 01:27:41,199 --> 01:27:44,400 But it does ask Oh, I saw some estimates 1838 01:27:44,400 --> 01:27:47,760 on that somewhere in here. Never mind. 1839 01:27:47,760 --> 01:27:50,080 Um, Miss Hugh Scandies, the Mr. 1840 01:27:50,080 --> 01:27:51,679 Steininger. 1841 01:27:51,679 --> 01:27:57,199 Uh, thanks Madame Chair. I just want to 1842 01:27:57,199 --> 01:28:00,719 address a number in the paragraph. I'm 1843 01:28:00,719 --> 01:28:02,880 looking at page 26 on the gondola 1844 01:28:02,880 --> 01:28:04,639 project. 1845 01:28:04,639 --> 01:28:09,040 um was in another meeting about that 1846 01:28:09,040 --> 01:28:11,920 project today and got to talk to well 1847 01:28:11,920 --> 01:28:14,320 our friends were in the room uh on that 1848 01:28:14,320 --> 01:28:15,120 project. He 1849 01:28:15,120 --> 01:28:15,840 >> still is. 1850 01:28:15,840 --> 01:28:17,840 >> Oh, I didn't see him. There he is. You 1851 01:28:17,840 --> 01:28:22,560 moved, Mr. Simmons. Um the uh best guess 1852 01:28:22,560 --> 01:28:25,760 that we have there. Now, those numbers I 1853 01:28:25,760 --> 01:28:27,280 think are different than the updated 1854 01:28:27,280 --> 01:28:30,719 numbers I heard today. So, Mr. Bar was 1855 01:28:30,719 --> 01:28:32,560 in that meeting and I just want to 1856 01:28:32,560 --> 01:28:35,120 verify that. So the entire assembly has 1857 01:28:35,120 --> 01:28:37,679 that same information when we're looking 1858 01:28:37,679 --> 01:28:41,440 and thinking about all of this. In the 1859 01:28:41,440 --> 01:28:44,400 memo I'm looking at here. It says if we 1860 01:28:44,400 --> 01:28:46,560 our best guess is that if we pulled out 1861 01:28:46,560 --> 01:28:49,120 now, we would have a sun cost of 10.8 1862 01:28:49,120 --> 01:28:51,360 million and have to write a check to 1863 01:28:51,360 --> 01:28:56,159 Gold Belt for 11.7 million. But my 1864 01:28:56,159 --> 01:28:59,040 understanding is that based on the 1865 01:28:59,040 --> 01:29:01,920 unspent funds, if we were to pull out 1866 01:29:01,920 --> 01:29:04,320 today, the check that we would be 1867 01:29:04,320 --> 01:29:06,719 writing to gold belt would be more like 1868 01:29:06,719 --> 01:29:10,639 7 million. Is that correct? 1869 01:29:10,639 --> 01:29:14,480 >> Thank you, Miss Handies. Um, we believe 1870 01:29:14,480 --> 01:29:16,719 the new money that the assembly would 1871 01:29:16,719 --> 01:29:17,920 have to come up, we would still have to 1872 01:29:17,920 --> 01:29:20,000 write a check for 11.7 million, but the 1873 01:29:20,000 --> 01:29:21,840 new money that we would need to come up 1874 01:29:21,840 --> 01:29:23,600 with based on the amount that is 1875 01:29:23,600 --> 01:29:26,639 currently in the fund unspent would be 1876 01:29:26,639 --> 01:29:28,400 about 6 million. 1877 01:29:28,400 --> 01:29:32,000 >> 6 million. Okay. So, 6 million in 1878 01:29:32,000 --> 01:29:34,320 additional funds with what we have 1879 01:29:34,320 --> 01:29:40,070 today. Thank you, 1880 01:29:40,080 --> 01:29:43,120 » Mayor Weldon. Oh, I missed Mr. 1881 01:29:43,120 --> 01:29:46,320 Steininger. Sorry. Okay. 1882 01:29:46,320 --> 01:29:47,840 >> And I don't know if I'm going out of 1883 01:29:47,840 --> 01:29:50,239 order of the kind of way you wanted to 1884 01:29:50,239 --> 01:29:52,400 organize questions. My question is 1885 01:29:52,400 --> 01:29:54,880 related to the assembly grants that have 1886 01:29:54,880 --> 01:29:56,320 been distributed. Are you okay with 1887 01:29:56,320 --> 01:29:59,199 >> any any questions related to what we're 1888 01:29:59,199 --> 01:30:00,960 going to that'll help inform your 1889 01:30:00,960 --> 01:30:05,360 decision about FY26 or open 1890 01:30:05,360 --> 01:30:06,639 season right now? 1891 01:30:06,639 --> 01:30:10,239 >> All right. Thank you. Um, so with all 1892 01:30:10,239 --> 01:30:12,080 them the funds we withheld on those 1893 01:30:12,080 --> 01:30:15,280 grants, what kind of feedback have we 1894 01:30:15,280 --> 01:30:16,800 received from the grantees? Is 1895 01:30:16,800 --> 01:30:20,080 withholding those funds causing problems 1896 01:30:20,080 --> 01:30:21,920 with payroll, causing problems with 1897 01:30:21,920 --> 01:30:25,920 getting projects moved, causing other 1898 01:30:25,920 --> 01:30:27,520 financing problems for any of these 1899 01:30:27,520 --> 01:30:30,239 grantees? Are there like specific pain 1900 01:30:30,239 --> 01:30:33,040 points that we should know about? 1901 01:30:33,040 --> 01:30:36,639 like is that decision something urgently 1902 01:30:36,639 --> 01:30:38,960 that needs to be decided today or 1903 01:30:38,960 --> 01:30:40,960 something that we might have more time 1904 01:30:40,960 --> 01:30:42,800 to discuss as we think about how much 1905 01:30:42,800 --> 01:30:45,280 money we want to make sure we move into 1906 01:30:45,280 --> 01:30:49,030 FY27. 1907 01:30:49,040 --> 01:30:51,280 » Thank you, Mr. Steininger. 1908 01:30:51,280 --> 01:30:53,440 We haven't had a lot of communication 1909 01:30:53,440 --> 01:30:55,600 from assembly grantees on this topic. 1910 01:30:55,600 --> 01:30:58,080 There has certainly been some I would 1911 01:30:58,080 --> 01:31:00,800 say that of all of the assembly grantees 1912 01:31:00,800 --> 01:31:02,480 there have been four or five that have 1913 01:31:02,480 --> 01:31:04,639 been in direct contact with me who have 1914 01:31:04,639 --> 01:31:06,719 been experiencing challenges with their 1915 01:31:06,719 --> 01:31:10,960 budgets. Um you know of of the assembly 1916 01:31:10,960 --> 01:31:14,239 grantees they vary widely in what 1917 01:31:14,239 --> 01:31:16,320 percentage of their total budget comes 1918 01:31:16,320 --> 01:31:19,280 from an assembly grant versus other 1919 01:31:19,280 --> 01:31:21,600 sources. And as you would expect, those 1920 01:31:21,600 --> 01:31:23,679 grantees who receive a larger portion of 1921 01:31:23,679 --> 01:31:25,199 their budget from the assembly are 1922 01:31:25,199 --> 01:31:27,360 struggling more or would struggle more 1923 01:31:27,360 --> 01:31:30,320 without full funding. Um, and and those 1924 01:31:30,320 --> 01:31:33,040 with smaller percentages struggled less. 1925 01:31:33,040 --> 01:31:36,709 Um, 1926 01:31:36,719 --> 01:31:38,080 if that doesn't fully answer your 1927 01:31:38,080 --> 01:31:39,600 question, I'm happy to take another stab 1928 01:31:39,600 --> 01:31:43,030 at it. 1929 01:31:43,040 --> 01:31:46,560 If I could interject there about do we 1930 01:31:46,560 --> 01:31:48,400 have to make the decision tonight or 1931 01:31:48,400 --> 01:31:50,239 later. We did communicate to the 1932 01:31:50,239 --> 01:31:51,840 grantees that we would get back to them 1933 01:31:51,840 --> 01:31:55,199 in mid- November and so we need to 1934 01:31:55,199 --> 01:31:57,440 provide them 1935 01:31:57,440 --> 01:32:04,070 some feedback. 1936 01:32:04,080 --> 01:32:07,520 If we wanted to delay that decision or 1937 01:32:07,520 --> 01:32:11,040 deliberate on that decision longer, 1938 01:32:11,040 --> 01:32:12,800 would it be a workable solution to 1939 01:32:12,800 --> 01:32:15,760 release maybe another trans trunch of 1940 01:32:15,760 --> 01:32:17,760 money? Like a smaller trunch might not 1941 01:32:17,760 --> 01:32:21,679 the entire amount but small cost buys us 1942 01:32:21,679 --> 01:32:25,280 some time in the bigger decision or you 1943 01:32:25,280 --> 01:32:27,440 know could we get a better understanding 1944 01:32:27,440 --> 01:32:30,159 of those grantees where there are 1945 01:32:30,159 --> 01:32:31,679 problems and I don't necessarily need 1946 01:32:31,679 --> 01:32:33,679 you to like list them out here. It could 1947 01:32:33,679 --> 01:32:35,600 be something that we get in a memo and 1948 01:32:35,600 --> 01:32:40,159 followup or something along those lines. 1949 01:32:40,159 --> 01:32:42,639 >> Mr. Zeninger, I think you could give us 1950 01:32:42,639 --> 01:32:46,080 direction to release another um less 1951 01:32:46,080 --> 01:32:49,600 than full trunch if you will of of 1952 01:32:49,600 --> 01:32:52,719 funding to the assembly grantees either 1953 01:32:52,719 --> 01:32:56,719 as a whole. So like another 20% 30% 1954 01:32:56,719 --> 01:33:00,000 whatever you know another you know 1955 01:33:00,000 --> 01:33:01,600 get further along through the fiscal 1956 01:33:01,600 --> 01:33:03,840 year keep them funded through through a 1957 01:33:03,840 --> 01:33:05,199 portion of the fiscal year to buy 1958 01:33:05,199 --> 01:33:07,520 yourselves more time to make decisions. 1959 01:33:07,520 --> 01:33:09,679 Um or if you would prefer, I think we 1960 01:33:09,679 --> 01:33:11,920 would also be able to follow direction 1961 01:33:11,920 --> 01:33:16,000 that to um it would be more work, but to 1962 01:33:16,000 --> 01:33:19,840 engage with uh some of the assembly 1963 01:33:19,840 --> 01:33:22,960 grantees who we've already engaged out 1964 01:33:22,960 --> 01:33:25,600 and summarize their experience in a 1965 01:33:25,600 --> 01:33:28,159 memo. Um 1966 01:33:28,159 --> 01:33:29,440 that would be more challenging, but I 1967 01:33:29,440 --> 01:33:33,910 think we could do that, too. 1968 01:33:33,920 --> 01:33:35,920 Mayor Weldon. 1969 01:33:35,920 --> 01:33:38,320 >> Um following up on Mr. Steiningers and 1970 01:33:38,320 --> 01:33:40,800 I'll put it into a question because I 1971 01:33:40,800 --> 01:33:46,000 was just gonna um the one uh non or um 1972 01:33:46,000 --> 01:33:48,159 grant recipient that I know that is 1973 01:33:48,159 --> 01:33:49,600 needs to know an answer pretty quickly 1974 01:33:49,600 --> 01:33:51,360 is the Alaska Committee because they do 1975 01:33:51,360 --> 01:33:54,159 gavl Alaska and they're trying to and 1976 01:33:54,159 --> 01:33:55,920 obviously they have to do it way before 1977 01:33:55,920 --> 01:33:58,080 the legislature gets here. But my 1978 01:33:58,080 --> 01:34:03,280 question um is actually in the FY26 have 1979 01:34:03,280 --> 01:34:07,679 we accounted for these grants already? 1980 01:34:07,679 --> 01:34:11,199 Thank you, Mayor Walden. Um yes, as we 1981 01:34:11,199 --> 01:34:14,320 um provided the budget summary toward um 1982 01:34:14,320 --> 01:34:16,480 for you, it anticipates that all of 1983 01:34:16,480 --> 01:34:18,719 these grants are fully released to the 1984 01:34:18,719 --> 01:34:24,629 grantees. 1985 01:34:24,639 --> 01:34:31,590 » Any other questions? 1986 01:34:31,600 --> 01:34:33,600 Go ahead, Miss Hall. 1987 01:34:33,600 --> 01:34:35,920 >> I'm wondering with with the assembly 1988 01:34:35,920 --> 01:34:38,000 grants if we have kind of a triage 1989 01:34:38,000 --> 01:34:40,080 system, you know, what is life and 1990 01:34:40,080 --> 01:34:43,440 safety? Um, you know, I I see child care 1991 01:34:43,440 --> 01:34:46,880 is always rising to the top as uh a 1992 01:34:46,880 --> 01:34:50,719 great need in in um across the state, 1993 01:34:50,719 --> 01:34:52,960 you know. So, do we have something that 1994 01:34:52,960 --> 01:34:56,080 if we take this money away, they're, you 1995 01:34:56,080 --> 01:34:59,600 know, we're kind of going backwards. Um, 1996 01:34:59,600 --> 01:35:01,120 but you know, but some of these other 1997 01:35:01,120 --> 01:35:02,880 things, it's like, yeah, they'll survive 1998 01:35:02,880 --> 01:35:04,639 without their funding. They may find 1999 01:35:04,639 --> 01:35:07,360 another source or it it's not going to 2000 01:35:07,360 --> 01:35:10,800 really negatively impact 2001 01:35:10,800 --> 01:35:14,719 health safety type issues or or 2002 01:35:14,719 --> 01:35:19,669 workforce or affordability. 2003 01:35:19,679 --> 01:35:22,320 » If I could just a stab at answering that 2004 01:35:22,320 --> 01:35:26,800 question. I think uh that uh criteria 2005 01:35:26,800 --> 01:35:31,600 and metrics would be uh an excellent um 2006 01:35:31,600 --> 01:35:33,600 use of the assembly's time and to to 2007 01:35:33,600 --> 01:35:35,679 develop to establish your priorities as 2008 01:35:35,679 --> 01:35:38,639 part of the of the FY27 budget process. 2009 01:35:38,639 --> 01:35:40,719 So, I mean, I think as you look at our 2010 01:35:40,719 --> 01:35:43,280 FY27 budget, you are going to have to 2011 01:35:43,280 --> 01:35:46,400 ask yourselves those questions. um you 2012 01:35:46,400 --> 01:35:48,639 know we would we would want to involve 2013 01:35:48,639 --> 01:35:52,400 the assembly in any type of u any type 2014 01:35:52,400 --> 01:35:55,520 of metric or matrix um and we're happy 2015 01:35:55,520 --> 01:35:57,679 to do that but I think I think just 2016 01:35:57,679 --> 01:36:00,320 given the highly personal nature for 2017 01:36:00,320 --> 01:36:02,400 many of these organizations we could 2018 01:36:02,400 --> 01:36:05,280 easily spend the next month um arguing 2019 01:36:05,280 --> 01:36:08,800 over metrics for 40% of an assembly 2020 01:36:08,800 --> 01:36:10,880 grant instead of really looking at what 2021 01:36:10,880 --> 01:36:15,679 our FY27 landscape is going to 2022 01:36:15,679 --> 01:36:16,400 follow up. 2023 01:36:16,400 --> 01:36:18,560 >> Yeah. And I I guess I was thinking more 2024 01:36:18,560 --> 01:36:21,360 FY27, you know, get through this, but 2025 01:36:21,360 --> 01:36:24,400 going forward be a lot more 2026 01:36:24,400 --> 01:36:31,030 targeted. Thank you. 2027 01:36:31,040 --> 01:36:33,520 » Mayor Welen, maybe you could start us 2028 01:36:33,520 --> 01:36:35,679 with a motion just on the first one just 2029 01:36:35,679 --> 01:36:39,520 to put something on the floor um and we 2030 01:36:39,520 --> 01:36:42,080 can walk through these. 2031 01:36:42,080 --> 01:36:45,280 >> Okay. So, I think your first one 2032 01:36:45,280 --> 01:36:49,430 >> would be to 2033 01:36:49,440 --> 01:36:51,119 um 2034 01:36:51,119 --> 01:36:57,510 I move that we 2035 01:36:57,520 --> 01:37:00,159 absorb the $6.4 million gap this year 2036 01:37:00,159 --> 01:37:03,830 for FY26. 2037 01:37:03,840 --> 01:37:05,600 » Is that the one you're talking about? 2038 01:37:05,600 --> 01:37:10,560 Uh, I think um maybe it would be easier 2039 01:37:10,560 --> 01:37:13,679 if you stick to the or I know there's 2040 01:37:13,679 --> 01:37:17,040 two places, but 2041 01:37:17,040 --> 01:37:20,000 the action number one here. I I think 2042 01:37:20,000 --> 01:37:21,520 you're saying the same thing, but it may 2043 01:37:21,520 --> 01:37:23,840 be easier to 2044 01:37:23,840 --> 01:37:25,360 >> I'll turn to that page because the other 2045 01:37:25,360 --> 01:37:26,639 page didn't have it. [clears throat] 2046 01:37:26,639 --> 01:37:28,159 >> Okay. Yeah. 2047 01:37:28,159 --> 01:37:28,719 >> All right. 2048 01:37:28,719 --> 01:37:32,480 >> Page 26, action number one. Um, 2049 01:37:32,480 --> 01:37:33,920 >> doesn't have it either. I'm going to the 2050 01:37:33,920 --> 01:37:35,280 last page. So, 2051 01:37:35,280 --> 01:37:38,320 >> okay, this does not need to be the way I 2052 01:37:38,320 --> 01:37:40,080 was the staff have a recommendation. 2053 01:37:40,080 --> 01:37:44,320 Maybe we could put that on the floor. 2054 01:37:44,320 --> 01:37:48,400 >> I'll try again. I uh um moved to direct 2055 01:37:48,400 --> 01:37:51,199 staff to not do any broad service 2056 01:37:51,199 --> 01:37:53,199 reductions or formal operating budget 2057 01:37:53,199 --> 01:37:56,480 reductions for FY26, 2058 01:37:56,480 --> 01:38:01,360 but fund FY26 from the unrestricted fund 2059 01:38:01,360 --> 01:38:06,310 balance. Does that work? 2060 01:38:06,320 --> 01:38:09,119 staff. That's clear. Motion. Okay. All 2061 01:38:09,119 --> 01:38:12,800 right. Um 2062 01:38:12,800 --> 01:38:14,800 I'll say any objections, but because 2063 01:38:14,800 --> 01:38:16,960 we're just starting this conversation, 2064 01:38:16,960 --> 01:38:18,880 even if you don't object, but you'd like 2065 01:38:18,880 --> 01:38:23,520 to make a comment, you are welcome to. 2066 01:38:23,520 --> 01:38:25,360 Mr. Smith. 2067 01:38:25,360 --> 01:38:27,920 >> Thank you, Madam Chair. Um, 2068 01:38:27,920 --> 01:38:31,360 I I would I would be interested in 2069 01:38:31,360 --> 01:38:34,159 seeing what the proposed service 2070 01:38:34,159 --> 01:38:39,109 reductions were 2071 01:38:39,119 --> 01:38:41,268 for 26 2072 01:38:41,268 --> 01:38:42,719 [clears throat] 2073 01:38:42,719 --> 01:38:48,159 >> like the assemblies or the the managers 2074 01:38:48,159 --> 01:38:48,880 or 2075 01:38:48,880 --> 01:38:50,800 >> um sorry and and maybe I should that 2076 01:38:50,800 --> 01:38:52,080 should have been a question. When I read 2077 01:38:52,080 --> 01:38:56,159 that, I was believing it to be like that 2078 01:38:56,159 --> 01:38:59,440 staff and, you know, city leadership had 2079 01:38:59,440 --> 01:39:02,719 come back with had come back with um 2080 01:39:02,719 --> 01:39:05,280 service reduction ideas. 2081 01:39:05,280 --> 01:39:08,000 Am I incorrect in in what that second 2082 01:39:08,000 --> 01:39:10,000 sentence means? 2083 01:39:10,000 --> 01:39:13,600 >> I understand now. Um I'll ask staff that 2084 01:39:13,600 --> 01:39:15,119 whether 2085 01:39:15,119 --> 01:39:17,199 s several service reductions ideas were 2086 01:39:17,199 --> 01:39:20,400 brought forward meant in the community 2087 01:39:20,400 --> 01:39:25,040 from the assembly or from you all. 2088 01:39:25,040 --> 01:39:27,920 >> Thank you uh chair wall. So, um I did 2089 01:39:27,920 --> 01:39:32,639 put out a uh call to department heads um 2090 01:39:32,639 --> 01:39:34,880 and we had a we they're very concerned 2091 01:39:34,880 --> 01:39:36,480 about this topic and so we've had 2092 01:39:36,480 --> 01:39:38,239 meetings and multiple communications on 2093 01:39:38,239 --> 01:39:41,440 it uh to suggest uh service reductions 2094 01:39:41,440 --> 01:39:43,679 that you know might be uh natural or an 2095 01:39:43,679 --> 01:39:46,320 easier fit uh for their department. A 2096 01:39:46,320 --> 01:39:48,800 great example is a service that maybe 2097 01:39:48,800 --> 01:39:50,800 was added in this year's budget that we 2098 01:39:50,800 --> 01:39:52,159 haven't been able to hire for. Is that 2099 01:39:52,159 --> 01:39:54,639 something that makes sense uh to pause? 2100 01:39:54,639 --> 01:39:57,360 So, I don't have a full list of those 2101 01:39:57,360 --> 01:39:58,800 for you tonight, but I'd be happy to 2102 01:39:58,800 --> 01:40:01,920 bring that back to you. 2103 01:40:01,920 --> 01:40:05,119 >> All right. I'm hearing an objection. I 2104 01:40:05,119 --> 01:40:08,080 had other people before you unless 2105 01:40:08,080 --> 01:40:08,560 >> Sure. 2106 01:40:08,560 --> 01:40:10,080 >> Sorry to interrupt. That wasn't part of 2107 01:40:10,080 --> 01:40:11,760 my motion. Just so you know, that 2108 01:40:11,760 --> 01:40:15,119 particular line, second line, I skipped. 2109 01:40:15,119 --> 01:40:17,440 >> I said no broad service reductions or 2110 01:40:17,440 --> 01:40:19,520 formal operating. I did not touch the 2111 01:40:19,520 --> 01:40:25,590 second sentence. 2112 01:40:25,600 --> 01:40:31,270 Now maybe I'm confused. Um 2113 01:40:31,280 --> 01:40:32,800 staff 2114 01:40:32,800 --> 01:40:33,679 are you 2115 01:40:33,679 --> 01:40:35,440 >> can we take a read just for a few 2116 01:40:35,440 --> 01:43:04,790 minutes? 2117 01:43:04,800 --> 01:43:07,679 Let's take a 10-minute break and we will 2118 01:43:07,679 --> 01:53:31,510 come back. 2119 01:53:31,520 --> 01:53:47,109 All 2120 01:53:47,119 --> 01:53:51,440 right, I am going to bring us back. 2121 01:53:51,440 --> 01:53:54,480 I see Mr. Smith is still with us. Okay. 2122 01:53:54,480 --> 01:53:57,440 So, I think where we are at is the mayor 2123 01:53:57,440 --> 01:54:00,080 has ma made a motion 2124 01:54:00,080 --> 01:54:03,520 um to decide tonight that we are not 2125 01:54:03,520 --> 01:54:05,040 going to be looking at service 2126 01:54:05,040 --> 01:54:08,000 reductions in FY26. 2127 01:54:08,000 --> 01:54:10,560 And Mr. Smith has objected because he 2128 01:54:10,560 --> 01:54:12,800 would like to see the staff 2129 01:54:12,800 --> 01:54:15,119 recommendations on service reductions 2130 01:54:15,119 --> 01:54:17,599 before making that decision. That is my 2131 01:54:17,599 --> 01:54:19,199 interpretation 2132 01:54:19,199 --> 01:54:23,360 of what where we're at. Mr. Smith. Is 2133 01:54:23,360 --> 01:54:28,950 that a good articulation? 2134 01:54:28,960 --> 01:54:32,560 » I I I do I do think that's fair. Yes. 2135 01:54:32,560 --> 01:54:36,390 Thanks. 2136 01:54:36,400 --> 01:54:39,440 » Any questions on the motion? 2137 01:54:39,440 --> 01:54:46,800 Okay. Um I know we had I believe we had comments from Mr. 2138 01:54:46,800 --> 01:54:49,119 Steininger and Missu Scandies. Go ahead, 2139 01:54:49,119 --> 01:54:51,040 Mr. Steininger. 2140 01:54:51,040 --> 01:54:53,840 And so I guess I I like the the spirit 2141 01:54:53,840 --> 01:54:56,800 of the motion in that I don't think we 2142 01:54:56,800 --> 01:54:59,520 should be looking at stopping doing 2143 01:54:59,520 --> 01:55:02,080 things we're currently doing now within 2144 01:55:02,080 --> 01:55:03,760 the course of the fiscal year. Like I 2145 01:55:03,760 --> 01:55:05,679 don't think we should be looking at pink 2146 01:55:05,679 --> 01:55:07,280 slipping employees, shut down 2147 01:55:07,280 --> 01:55:10,080 facilities. Um but maybe in the spirit 2148 01:55:10,080 --> 01:55:12,400 of what Mr. Smith was suggesting, you 2149 01:55:12,400 --> 01:55:14,480 know, if there and what manager Kester 2150 01:55:14,480 --> 01:55:18,080 mentioned, if there are things that it's 2151 01:55:18,080 --> 01:55:20,000 not that we're stopping doing something 2152 01:55:20,000 --> 01:55:23,360 we're doing now, but we're not going to 2153 01:55:23,360 --> 01:55:24,880 do something you have planned to do in 2154 01:55:24,880 --> 01:55:26,800 the next six months to save a bit of 2155 01:55:26,800 --> 01:55:29,199 money or 2156 01:55:29,199 --> 01:55:31,199 finding ways to increase the lapse or 2157 01:55:31,199 --> 01:55:32,880 those kind of smaller tools that you 2158 01:55:32,880 --> 01:55:36,320 have as a manager to push down cost. I'd 2159 01:55:36,320 --> 01:55:37,840 like to see those. If there's something 2160 01:55:37,840 --> 01:55:39,599 you feel like has to come to an assembly 2161 01:55:39,599 --> 01:55:42,000 decision of, yeah, hey, we weren't able 2162 01:55:42,000 --> 01:55:43,599 to hire this position. So, we're 2163 01:55:43,599 --> 01:55:47,280 thinking about just stopping trying. I 2164 01:55:47,280 --> 01:55:49,119 see that a little bit different than 2165 01:55:49,119 --> 01:55:51,119 service level reductions, I guess. And 2166 01:55:51,119 --> 01:55:52,639 maybe that's just me trying to think 2167 01:55:52,639 --> 01:55:54,639 through how I should be interpreting the 2168 01:55:54,639 --> 01:55:57,760 motion that the mayor made. Um because I 2169 01:55:57,760 --> 01:56:00,480 do think we need expectation of city 2170 01:56:00,480 --> 01:56:04,159 staff that to make it smoother and 2171 01:56:04,159 --> 01:56:06,239 easier when we come into our FY27 2172 01:56:06,239 --> 01:56:08,800 deliberations, there's not new things 2173 01:56:08,800 --> 01:56:10,400 that you're starting three months from 2174 01:56:10,400 --> 01:56:14,480 now that we may have to cut in the FY27 2175 01:56:14,480 --> 01:56:17,840 budget. Um, and so I guess I just wanted 2176 01:56:17,840 --> 01:56:20,080 to make that comment on the record to 2177 01:56:20,080 --> 01:56:22,800 kind of set that expectation 2178 01:56:22,800 --> 01:56:24,800 and also kind of get feedback from the 2179 01:56:24,800 --> 01:56:27,280 mayor to see if that's how I should be 2180 01:56:27,280 --> 01:56:30,159 understanding the motion. 2181 01:56:30,159 --> 01:56:32,159 >> Go ahead, Madame Mayor. 2182 01:56:32,159 --> 01:56:33,920 >> I was going to look at staff because I 2183 01:56:33,920 --> 01:56:35,280 would be in agreement with Mr. 2184 01:56:35,280 --> 01:56:37,199 Steininger that I wouldn't like to see 2185 01:56:37,199 --> 01:56:39,840 anything new. Um, if we haven't started 2186 01:56:39,840 --> 01:56:42,080 design, let's not start a design. if we 2187 01:56:42,080 --> 01:56:43,599 haven't done an service but we were 2188 01:56:43,599 --> 01:56:45,199 looking at it let's not go ahead with 2189 01:56:45,199 --> 01:56:51,280 that service um even to the extent um but this is 2190 01:56:51,280 --> 01:56:53,440 going to be for another discussion but 2191 01:56:53,440 --> 01:56:55,920 like the diversion center is this the 2192 01:56:55,920 --> 01:56:59,040 time we say let's just deal with the 2193 01:56:59,040 --> 01:57:01,280 compost right now and that's going to be 2194 01:57:01,280 --> 01:57:03,360 pushed off for years but I just don't 2195 01:57:03,360 --> 01:57:05,679 want to start anything new but I agree 2196 01:57:05,679 --> 01:57:07,599 with Mr. Mr. Steininger, if there's 2197 01:57:07,599 --> 01:57:08,960 obvious little cuts here and there, 2198 01:57:08,960 --> 01:57:10,320 that's fine. But I don't think we do 2199 01:57:10,320 --> 01:57:13,199 major ones. But if I need to amend my 2200 01:57:13,199 --> 01:57:15,520 motion to say that, I'd be happy to. But 2201 01:57:15,520 --> 01:57:17,119 or do you have enough direction on the 2202 01:57:17,119 --> 01:57:17,599 motion? 2203 01:57:17,599 --> 01:57:19,599 >> Kit, 2204 01:57:19,599 --> 01:57:22,320 maybe I'd just take a crack of my 2205 01:57:22,320 --> 01:57:25,840 understanding. There is a third question 2206 01:57:25,840 --> 01:57:29,599 here about any direction on one-time or 2207 01:57:29,599 --> 01:57:32,400 project funding for FY26. So, we could 2208 01:57:32,400 --> 01:57:34,960 make a decision. don't cut services, but 2209 01:57:34,960 --> 01:57:37,360 we can also later in this conversation 2210 01:57:37,360 --> 01:57:40,560 talk about are there things projects on 2211 01:57:40,560 --> 01:57:42,719 the horizon that we want to pause or cut 2212 01:57:42,719 --> 01:57:46,880 or something. It I'll turn it over to 2213 01:57:46,880 --> 01:57:49,360 the manager to see if I'm characterizing 2214 01:57:49,360 --> 01:57:53,199 the direction that you want accurately. 2215 01:57:53,199 --> 01:57:55,760 >> Thank you, Madam Chair. Um I'm just 2216 01:57:55,760 --> 01:57:58,000 going to summarize uh Assembly Member 2217 01:57:58,000 --> 01:58:01,280 Steininger's comments. Um, I think 2218 01:58:01,280 --> 01:58:03,440 giving the manager's office direction 2219 01:58:03,440 --> 01:58:07,599 to, you know, be judicious, not start 2220 01:58:07,599 --> 01:58:10,639 new things, um, is something that we can 2221 01:58:10,639 --> 01:58:12,639 do. Uh, and you might get some 2222 01:58:12,639 --> 01:58:13,920 complaints, right? Because we might have 2223 01:58:13,920 --> 01:58:15,760 some, uh, parks and rec programming, for 2224 01:58:15,760 --> 01:58:18,080 example, that doesn't happen when when 2225 01:58:18,080 --> 01:58:20,639 people are expecting it to happen. Um, I 2226 01:58:20,639 --> 01:58:22,320 think that I can do and I don't know 2227 01:58:22,320 --> 01:58:24,400 that I would spend assembly time going 2228 01:58:24,400 --> 01:58:27,199 through all of those things. Um I also 2229 01:58:27,199 --> 01:58:29,280 really appreciate separating the um 2230 01:58:29,280 --> 01:58:30,880 operating and the capital questions 2231 01:58:30,880 --> 01:58:33,440 because when Mayor Welen said if you 2232 01:58:33,440 --> 01:58:35,520 haven't started design on a project then 2233 01:58:35,520 --> 01:58:38,000 don't that has far greater implications 2234 01:58:38,000 --> 01:58:41,599 for our ability to 2235 01:58:41,599 --> 01:58:43,199 do the things that we need to do to run 2236 01:58:43,199 --> 01:58:47,840 the city. So um I think taking those two items separately would help provide 2237 01:58:47,840 --> 01:58:52,790 me clarity. 2238 01:58:52,800 --> 01:58:54,480 Mayor Weldon to 2239 01:58:54,480 --> 01:58:56,000 >> stay with the intent of the original 2240 01:58:56,000 --> 01:58:58,080 motion. [laughter] We'll address the 2241 01:58:58,080 --> 01:59:00,800 other one. 2242 01:59:00,800 --> 01:59:03,199 >> Mr. Sner, is that are you satisfied with 2243 01:59:03,199 --> 01:59:06,960 those answers? Okay. 2244 01:59:06,960 --> 01:59:10,719 >> Mr. Smith, do you have Oh, sorry. Miss 2245 01:59:10,719 --> 01:59:12,400 Hugh Gandies was on the list and hasn't 2246 01:59:12,400 --> 01:59:15,440 spoken yet. Miss Hugh Gandies. 2247 01:59:15,440 --> 01:59:18,560 >> Thank you, Madam Chair. 2248 01:59:18,560 --> 01:59:21,360 I think that helps me to think about 2249 01:59:21,360 --> 01:59:25,119 this uh separately between projects and 2250 01:59:25,119 --> 01:59:28,239 operating. And I think it will be 2251 01:59:28,239 --> 01:59:30,639 helpful throughout this entire process 2252 01:59:30,639 --> 01:59:33,520 to try to as much as I can think and 2253 01:59:33,520 --> 01:59:35,760 speak in those different tools that you 2254 01:59:35,760 --> 01:59:38,320 outlined in this memo of different ways 2255 01:59:38,320 --> 01:59:40,000 of 2256 01:59:40,000 --> 01:59:44,239 um conserving cost. Um, 2257 01:59:44,239 --> 01:59:51,199 I would say that I am more of the 2258 01:59:51,199 --> 01:59:56,239 mind that to absorb it, which is another 2259 01:59:56,239 --> 02:00:00,320 way of saying uh, with these broad cuts 2260 02:00:00,320 --> 02:00:03,360 feels wrong to me to where I would want 2261 02:00:03,360 --> 02:00:05,840 to identify 2262 02:00:05,840 --> 02:00:08,239 what those operating constraints would 2263 02:00:08,239 --> 02:00:11,599 be, whether 2264 02:00:11,599 --> 02:00:13,360 I agree I think that's a good way of 2265 02:00:13,360 --> 02:00:15,119 characterizing it. Not like pink 2266 02:00:15,119 --> 02:00:20,400 slipping people or to that end of uh if 2267 02:00:20,400 --> 02:00:24,400 it's a spectrum, I guess. Um 2268 02:00:24,400 --> 02:00:30,629 I think it's partially 2269 02:00:30,639 --> 02:00:33,040 with what it what it would look like 2270 02:00:33,040 --> 02:00:34,639 potentially or I'd be interested in what 2271 02:00:34,639 --> 02:00:36,080 it would look like if we didn't 2272 02:00:36,080 --> 02:00:37,920 institute uh if we didn't give the 2273 02:00:37,920 --> 02:00:40,800 direction to say hiring freeze. don't 2274 02:00:40,800 --> 02:00:43,040 hire anyone else. 2275 02:00:43,040 --> 02:00:46,239 Understanding that there would be 2276 02:00:46,239 --> 02:00:48,880 service reductions that wouldn't be 2277 02:00:48,880 --> 02:00:51,199 necessarily cuts to services, but it 2278 02:00:51,199 --> 02:00:54,080 would affect services. It might affect 2279 02:00:54,080 --> 02:00:57,760 coverage. It might affect um things like 2280 02:00:57,760 --> 02:01:00,080 uh parks programming is a good example 2281 02:01:00,080 --> 02:01:03,280 that I was sort of imagining. 2282 02:01:03,280 --> 02:01:05,360 I would be, I think, interested in 2283 02:01:05,360 --> 02:01:08,880 looking at things like that for FY26 2284 02:01:08,880 --> 02:01:11,679 before I said with this unexpected 2285 02:01:11,679 --> 02:01:14,000 revenue, we're just going to absorb it. 2286 02:01:14,000 --> 02:01:16,480 And I think the magnitude of the 2287 02:01:16,480 --> 02:01:19,440 decisions we're going to make and the 2288 02:01:19,440 --> 02:01:21,280 amount of time that we have to make 2289 02:01:21,280 --> 02:01:25,199 them, uh, it just feels more, 2290 02:01:25,199 --> 02:01:29,360 um, it feels better for me as trying to 2291 02:01:29,360 --> 02:01:32,639 be a good steward, uh, of public funds 2292 02:01:32,639 --> 02:01:35,599 throughout this process and at the same 2293 02:01:35,599 --> 02:01:37,760 time make sure we're engaging the public 2294 02:01:37,760 --> 02:01:40,480 in this process. Not that we are doing 2295 02:01:40,480 --> 02:01:43,599 something panicked and willy-nilly. I 2296 02:01:43,599 --> 02:01:46,480 and I'm apologize for the ramble, but 2297 02:01:46,480 --> 02:01:50,000 I'm trying to give direction that 2298 02:01:50,000 --> 02:01:53,040 demonstrates where I'm at personally. I 2299 02:01:53,040 --> 02:01:55,520 appreciate the sentiment of wanting to 2300 02:01:55,520 --> 02:01:58,159 make thoughtful decisions 2301 02:01:58,159 --> 02:02:01,679 um and not make panicked cuts, 2302 02:02:01,679 --> 02:02:06,639 but I think knowing the remaining months 2303 02:02:06,639 --> 02:02:09,440 that are in FY26, 2304 02:02:09,440 --> 02:02:11,840 I would want to start identifying some 2305 02:02:11,840 --> 02:02:14,400 of those things. 2306 02:02:14,400 --> 02:02:23,830 So, that's where I'm at. 2307 02:02:23,840 --> 02:02:27,189 others. 2308 02:02:27,199 --> 02:02:30,400 I'll speak 2309 02:02:30,400 --> 02:02:33,520 um I'll speak in support of this motion. 2310 02:02:33,520 --> 02:02:37,589 Um, 2311 02:02:37,599 --> 02:02:39,920 I think that 2312 02:02:39,920 --> 02:02:41,440 the 2313 02:02:41,440 --> 02:02:44,400 I like to be holistic in my decision- 2314 02:02:44,400 --> 02:02:48,880 making when I can that we are really for 2315 02:02:48,880 --> 02:02:51,599 making service cuts, cuts to the 2316 02:02:51,599 --> 02:02:54,639 fundamental things that the city does 2317 02:02:54,639 --> 02:02:58,000 that we are engaging the public. 2318 02:02:58,000 --> 02:03:00,239 We're being thoughtful. 2319 02:03:00,239 --> 02:03:01,920 we're taking our time to do it because 2320 02:03:01,920 --> 02:03:04,960 once you cut something 2321 02:03:04,960 --> 02:03:09,040 it is not easy to come back. Um I 2322 02:03:09,040 --> 02:03:10,880 appreciate 2323 02:03:10,880 --> 02:03:13,440 the but I but I also share Miss Hughes 2324 02:03:13,440 --> 02:03:15,920 Gandandy and I think Mr. Steininger's 2325 02:03:15,920 --> 02:03:19,199 and and maybe even Mr. miss um I think 2326 02:03:19,199 --> 02:03:21,599 where they're coming from which is you 2327 02:03:21,599 --> 02:03:24,400 know we have to we have to start having 2328 02:03:24,400 --> 02:03:28,480 these conversations soon and I'm not 2329 02:03:28,480 --> 02:03:31,119 opposed to when we get to talking about 2330 02:03:31,119 --> 02:03:33,920 one time or project funding you know 2331 02:03:33,920 --> 02:03:36,320 pausing things or even hiring freezes if 2332 02:03:36,320 --> 02:03:38,880 that's a option that we think makes 2333 02:03:38,880 --> 02:03:44,159 sense to say hold on we we can't 2334 02:03:44,159 --> 02:03:46,239 keep spending because we know what's 2335 02:03:46,239 --> 02:03:49,440 coming. So I don't think it's time to do 2336 02:03:49,440 --> 02:03:52,400 service reductions in FY26 knowing that 2337 02:03:52,400 --> 02:03:55,040 we have significant service reductions 2338 02:03:55,040 --> 02:03:57,280 planned for FY27. And I want to be 2339 02:03:57,280 --> 02:03:59,040 thoughtful and because we have been so 2340 02:03:59,040 --> 02:04:02,400 conser or this assembly past assemblies 2341 02:04:02,400 --> 02:04:04,480 have been so conservative about how 2342 02:04:04,480 --> 02:04:07,119 they've budgeted and because our 2343 02:04:07,119 --> 02:04:09,440 investments did well we actually had the 2344 02:04:09,440 --> 02:04:11,599 space to do that. We saw what the school 2345 02:04:11,599 --> 02:04:13,840 board had to do when they had two months 2346 02:04:13,840 --> 02:04:16,960 to make big decisions. 2347 02:04:16,960 --> 02:04:19,599 That was extremely challenging for the 2348 02:04:19,599 --> 02:04:23,280 public. So, um 2349 02:04:23,280 --> 02:04:26,080 any little rabbit holes we go down about 2350 02:04:26,080 --> 02:04:30,239 pool hours or um you know, other things 2351 02:04:30,239 --> 02:04:31,679 I think are going to it's going to be a 2352 02:04:31,679 --> 02:04:33,679 big waste of time for what we really 2353 02:04:33,679 --> 02:04:36,800 need to do. So, thank you, 2354 02:04:36,800 --> 02:04:42,560 >> Mr. Smith. I saw Mayor Weldon. Oh, 2355 02:04:42,560 --> 02:04:44,800 >> I saw Miss the [clears throat] order. I 2356 02:04:44,800 --> 02:04:46,960 saw people's hands. Miss Hall, Mayor 2357 02:04:46,960 --> 02:04:49,840 Weldon, and Mr. Smith. 2358 02:04:49,840 --> 02:04:52,800 >> And I would speak in favor of no broad 2359 02:04:52,800 --> 02:04:54,800 service reduction. So, in favor of the 2360 02:04:54,800 --> 02:04:59,679 motion and looking forward to FY27, I 2361 02:04:59,679 --> 02:05:01,840 think we really need to pull the public 2362 02:05:01,840 --> 02:05:04,239 in on this and have them help us make 2363 02:05:04,239 --> 02:05:06,880 these decisions. and and that would be 2364 02:05:06,880 --> 02:05:09,520 another reason I wouldn't want to 2365 02:05:09,520 --> 02:05:13,440 willy-nilly start cutting things 2366 02:05:13,440 --> 02:05:16,080 in in FY26. I think this should be a 2367 02:05:16,080 --> 02:05:20,480 very public engagement process. 2368 02:05:20,480 --> 02:05:23,440 >> I'm going to go to um Mr. Brooks first 2369 02:05:23,440 --> 02:05:25,760 um because he hasn't spoken yet on this 2370 02:05:25,760 --> 02:05:28,080 topic and then we'll have Mayor Wald Mr. 2371 02:05:28,080 --> 02:05:30,080 Smith. 2372 02:05:30,080 --> 02:05:32,159 >> Thank you, Madam Chair. 2373 02:05:32,159 --> 02:05:35,360 I I think 2374 02:05:35,360 --> 02:05:39,360 you know the the desire of the community 2375 02:05:39,360 --> 02:05:43,280 through this past election cycle was 2376 02:05:43,280 --> 02:05:47,360 pretty much you know asking for uh you 2377 02:05:47,360 --> 02:05:50,159 know a a tighter constraint or a more 2378 02:05:50,159 --> 02:05:55,760 efficiency within the operation. So I 2379 02:05:55,760 --> 02:05:58,320 think you know looking at something even 2380 02:05:58,320 --> 02:06:00,800 if it's small and supplemental for the 2381 02:06:00,800 --> 02:06:02,800 remainder of the year should be worth 2382 02:06:02,800 --> 02:06:05,440 considering and if that is a hiring 2383 02:06:05,440 --> 02:06:07,440 freeze maybe it's a hiring freeze for 2384 02:06:07,440 --> 02:06:10,480 non-emergency departments and even in 2385 02:06:10,480 --> 02:06:12,400 accompaniment with that could even 2386 02:06:12,400 --> 02:06:16,239 consider uh a cap on overtime for 2387 02:06:16,239 --> 02:06:18,239 non-emergency departments for the 2388 02:06:18,239 --> 02:06:21,280 remainder of the year as well. 2389 02:06:21,280 --> 02:06:22,880 >> Mr. Mr. Brics, will you specify if you 2390 02:06:22,880 --> 02:06:26,320 are objecting or um supporting the 2391 02:06:26,320 --> 02:06:29,669 motion? 2392 02:06:29,679 --> 02:06:33,760 » I'm object objecting to the motion. 2393 02:06:33,760 --> 02:06:36,000 >> All right. I have Mayor Weldon and Mr. 2394 02:06:36,000 --> 02:06:37,760 Smith. 2395 02:06:37,760 --> 02:06:39,760 >> Thank you, Madam Chair. Everything that 2396 02:06:39,760 --> 02:06:41,760 Miss Hugh Scandi said is true, and I 2397 02:06:41,760 --> 02:06:43,280 think we need to look at everything very 2398 02:06:43,280 --> 02:06:46,159 carefully. Unfortunately, um I think 2399 02:06:46,159 --> 02:06:49,920 that's true for FY27 and on FY26, we're 2400 02:06:49,920 --> 02:06:52,000 almost halfway through it and I think we 2401 02:06:52,000 --> 02:06:54,960 will be rushed to get to some of those 2402 02:06:54,960 --> 02:06:56,880 things. With that, I think staff will 2403 02:06:56,880 --> 02:07:00,560 look at um cuts in services and all 2404 02:07:00,560 --> 02:07:02,159 those kind of things as they're doing 2405 02:07:02,159 --> 02:07:04,400 already now since they've predicted that 2406 02:07:04,400 --> 02:07:05,599 with the ballot measures would been 2407 02:07:05,599 --> 02:07:06,960 passed. So, I'm going to have a little 2408 02:07:06,960 --> 02:07:10,239 faith in staff and um I think we really 2409 02:07:10,239 --> 02:07:13,679 need to drill down to FY27, but I don't 2410 02:07:13,679 --> 02:07:14,719 think we're going to have time to deal 2411 02:07:14,719 --> 02:07:16,719 with FY26 and that's why I support the 2412 02:07:16,719 --> 02:07:19,679 motion. 2413 02:07:19,679 --> 02:07:23,928 >> Mr. Smith, 2414 02:07:23,938 --> 02:07:24,400 [clears throat] 2415 02:07:24,400 --> 02:07:28,320 >> thank you, Madam Chair. 2416 02:07:28,320 --> 02:07:31,360 I definitely hear what folks are saying. 2417 02:07:31,360 --> 02:07:35,119 I mean and and I'm trying to like tease 2418 02:07:35,119 --> 02:07:38,960 out all the and that's that's I guess 2419 02:07:38,960 --> 02:07:40,320 I'm you know curious about what the 2420 02:07:40,320 --> 02:07:43,599 service reduction ideas were but um 2421 02:07:43,599 --> 02:07:47,199 because you know for instance 2422 02:07:47,199 --> 02:07:50,320 like hiring freezes and I don't know if 2423 02:07:50,320 --> 02:07:53,119 those are the a good idea because even 2424 02:07:53,119 --> 02:07:54,880 if it's a non-emergency position like we 2425 02:07:54,880 --> 02:07:57,199 need people in CDD to permit projects to 2426 02:07:57,199 --> 02:07:58,880 keep housing projects moving forward for 2427 02:07:58,880 --> 02:08:00,320 instance. So, it's like some of these 2428 02:08:00,320 --> 02:08:02,560 broad things I'm not I wouldn't say I'm 2429 02:08:02,560 --> 02:08:05,280 totally interested in. Um I mean there's 2430 02:08:05,280 --> 02:08:07,199 just a lot of detail in what that looks 2431 02:08:07,199 --> 02:08:09,119 like and there's a lot of different 2432 02:08:09,119 --> 02:08:11,280 options in that and I you know I'm 2433 02:08:11,280 --> 02:08:14,960 hearing you know pausing new things or 2434 02:08:14,960 --> 02:08:17,840 pausing a project or a one time funding. 2435 02:08:17,840 --> 02:08:21,840 Anyway, I guess that's where 2436 02:08:21,840 --> 02:08:23,440 I just don't know if we I don't I don't 2437 02:08:23,440 --> 02:08:25,760 know if I see in the in the I don't know 2438 02:08:25,760 --> 02:08:28,000 if I see in the motion the granularity 2439 02:08:28,000 --> 02:08:29,199 that I'm looking for and I can 2440 02:08:29,199 --> 02:08:32,079 understand maybe why that's 2441 02:08:32,079 --> 02:08:34,159 probably a very long motion and and hard 2442 02:08:34,159 --> 02:08:37,040 to hard to put together right now. Um, 2443 02:08:37,040 --> 02:08:38,719 I'm hearing some things from the from 2444 02:08:38,719 --> 02:08:40,960 the manager that I agree with that I'm 2445 02:08:40,960 --> 02:08:42,560 interested in seeing and again maybe 2446 02:08:42,560 --> 02:08:44,800 some one-time projects. We look at 2447 02:08:44,800 --> 02:08:48,069 posits 2448 02:08:48,079 --> 02:08:50,480 possible service reductions, some of 2449 02:08:50,480 --> 02:08:52,239 which I think we maybe should consider 2450 02:08:52,239 --> 02:08:54,079 for FY26. 2451 02:08:54,079 --> 02:08:55,920 Um, 2452 02:08:55,920 --> 02:08:57,679 so that's why I was kind of thinking, 2453 02:08:57,679 --> 02:09:00,639 you know, continuing this discussion a 2454 02:09:00,639 --> 02:09:02,719 bit further because it I understand that 2455 02:09:02,719 --> 02:09:04,079 we'll be doing a lot of work on that for 2456 02:09:04,079 --> 02:09:06,880 27. We are probably thinking about it 2457 02:09:06,880 --> 02:09:12,560 now though. Um, so I I guess I think I'm 2458 02:09:12,560 --> 02:09:15,119 kind of similarly situated with with you 2459 02:09:15,119 --> 02:09:16,639 all. It's just I don't have the 2460 02:09:16,639 --> 02:09:19,760 granularity to say yes, don't make any, 2461 02:09:19,760 --> 02:09:22,239 you know, any of some of these like 2462 02:09:22,239 --> 02:09:23,679 broad surf. Anyway, I don't know if I 2463 02:09:23,679 --> 02:09:25,280 have the granularity in the motion to 2464 02:09:25,280 --> 02:09:28,320 feel 100% confident with it. So, I'm I'm 2465 02:09:28,320 --> 02:09:30,880 vacasillating if I like want to remove 2466 02:09:30,880 --> 02:09:32,560 my objection because I think we're kind 2467 02:09:32,560 --> 02:09:35,280 of maybe on the same page, but I also do 2468 02:09:35,280 --> 02:09:37,920 am interested in what possible service 2469 02:09:37,920 --> 02:09:40,639 reductions could be done in 26. So, I 2470 02:09:40,639 --> 02:09:42,400 I'll maintain I'll maintain my objection 2471 02:09:42,400 --> 02:09:46,320 as well. I'm I I think I think I think 2472 02:09:46,320 --> 02:09:48,159 we'll get to where I'm hoping we're 2473 02:09:48,159 --> 02:09:50,719 going. It's just I don't know if I see 2474 02:09:50,719 --> 02:09:53,280 that see that in or hear that in the 2475 02:09:53,280 --> 02:09:56,159 motion that was made. So, thanks. 2476 02:09:56,159 --> 02:09:58,560 If this motion fails, we can certainly 2477 02:09:58,560 --> 02:10:02,159 try something else. Um, we got a long 2478 02:10:02,159 --> 02:10:05,040 list here still. I don't think Mr. Kelly 2479 02:10:05,040 --> 02:10:07,199 has spoken, so I'm going to let him skip 2480 02:10:07,199 --> 02:10:09,599 the line here, but I got the rest of you 2481 02:10:09,599 --> 02:10:12,159 on my sheet. Mr. Kelly, 2482 02:10:12,159 --> 02:10:14,400 >> thank you. I appreciate that. Um, I 2483 02:10:14,400 --> 02:10:17,440 think I will speak in in opposition um 2484 02:10:17,440 --> 02:10:20,079 to this motion. I think um much along 2485 02:10:20,079 --> 02:10:23,119 the the lines of um Mr. Smith who just 2486 02:10:23,119 --> 02:10:27,440 spoke. Um it's not that um a vote 2487 02:10:27,440 --> 02:10:29,679 against this would be in favor of broad 2488 02:10:29,679 --> 02:10:32,960 reductions. I think I I want to explore 2489 02:10:32,960 --> 02:10:36,079 um what these uh what these could be uh 2490 02:10:36,079 --> 02:10:38,960 before we make this decision. So I think 2491 02:10:38,960 --> 02:10:40,159 not necessarily this is the wrong 2492 02:10:40,159 --> 02:10:41,679 decision, but it's I think it's too 2493 02:10:41,679 --> 02:10:43,920 early to make this decision. And so I 2494 02:10:43,920 --> 02:10:49,669 will be voting against. 2495 02:10:49,679 --> 02:10:52,639 » All right. 2496 02:10:52,639 --> 02:10:56,320 Mr. Steininger, you're up. I just so I 2497 02:10:56,320 --> 02:10:57,920 keep track of everyone. I have Mr. 2498 02:10:57,920 --> 02:11:00,719 Steininger, then Miss Candies, and then 2499 02:11:00,719 --> 02:11:03,280 Miss Hall. 2500 02:11:03,280 --> 02:11:05,360 So, I'm going to be specifically 2501 02:11:05,360 --> 02:11:08,480 speaking in support of the motion, but 2502 02:11:08,480 --> 02:11:11,360 that kind of my comments earlier than 2503 02:11:11,360 --> 02:11:15,760 still now. I want to make sure that 2504 02:11:15,760 --> 02:11:18,719 the manager is executing the budget. 2505 02:11:18,719 --> 02:11:20,239 Very important. even if we're not making 2506 02:11:20,239 --> 02:11:22,480 broad service reductions that you're 2507 02:11:22,480 --> 02:11:25,920 executing the FY26 budget in a way that 2508 02:11:25,920 --> 02:11:28,320 ensures that we're 2509 02:11:28,320 --> 02:11:30,800 we have flexibility going into our 27 2510 02:11:30,800 --> 02:11:34,800 deliberations that you know things that 2511 02:11:34,800 --> 02:11:37,520 have ongoing impacts. You know, you you 2512 02:11:37,520 --> 02:11:39,119 use the example of parks and recck 2513 02:11:39,119 --> 02:11:42,000 programming. Um, but if that's something 2514 02:11:42,000 --> 02:11:43,920 that's a, you know, oh, there's some 2515 02:11:43,920 --> 02:11:45,360 summer programming coming up or 2516 02:11:45,360 --> 02:11:47,040 something that's seasonal, that doesn't 2517 02:11:47,040 --> 02:11:49,040 really obligate us into 27 doesn't 2518 02:11:49,040 --> 02:11:51,119 create a problem, that's still within 2519 02:11:51,119 --> 02:11:54,000 kind of the the budget that you've been 2520 02:11:54,000 --> 02:12:01,440 given in our operating side. um that you're you have the tools to manage 2521 02:12:01,440 --> 02:12:04,239 the budget in the way that you see best 2522 02:12:04,239 --> 02:12:09,520 fit to both get the most laps that we 2523 02:12:09,520 --> 02:12:11,520 can while still delivering the services 2524 02:12:11,520 --> 02:12:13,040 that we promised when we passed the 2525 02:12:13,040 --> 02:12:17,760 budget. Um and not, you know, kind of 2526 02:12:17,760 --> 02:12:19,760 starting things up that you think we're 2527 02:12:19,760 --> 02:12:23,040 probably gonna going to reassess in 27. 2528 02:12:23,040 --> 02:12:25,280 it. I know that's kind of a fine line 2529 02:12:25,280 --> 02:12:27,360 for you to walk down, but like I I think 2530 02:12:27,360 --> 02:12:30,320 the mayor may have made this point, but 2531 02:12:30,320 --> 02:12:32,400 spending a lot of time trying to make 2532 02:12:32,400 --> 02:12:35,040 reductions in 26, I think will just 2533 02:12:35,040 --> 02:12:36,400 distract from the really hard 2534 02:12:36,400 --> 02:12:39,440 conversations we have to make about 27. 2535 02:12:39,440 --> 02:12:41,599 And we're going to be spending a lot of 2536 02:12:41,599 --> 02:12:44,400 time on those. And so when we think 2537 02:12:44,400 --> 02:12:47,280 about this, do these discussions about 2538 02:12:47,280 --> 02:12:49,840 26, are they going to help us in our 2539 02:12:49,840 --> 02:12:52,159 discussions about 27 or are they going 2540 02:12:52,159 --> 02:12:55,040 to distract us from those discussions? 2541 02:12:55,040 --> 02:12:59,440 Um, and I'll just add before I close, I 2542 02:12:59,440 --> 02:13:01,599 have been involved in I think I counted 2543 02:13:01,599 --> 02:13:04,800 in my head at least five different um 2544 02:13:04,800 --> 02:13:07,760 hiring freezes that I was directly 2545 02:13:07,760 --> 02:13:11,520 involved in managing and executing. And 2546 02:13:11,520 --> 02:13:13,599 I don't think a single one of them did 2547 02:13:13,599 --> 02:13:16,960 anything but create more bureaucracy and 2548 02:13:16,960 --> 02:13:20,079 more headache for delivery of services 2549 02:13:20,079 --> 02:13:23,520 with long-term implications on what the 2550 02:13:23,520 --> 02:13:26,320 organization was able to do. So, broadly 2551 02:13:26,320 --> 02:13:28,239 apply, I'm not in support of broadly 2552 02:13:28,239 --> 02:13:31,840 applied hiring freezes, but 2553 02:13:31,840 --> 02:13:35,040 I still expect you as a manager to use 2554 02:13:35,040 --> 02:13:38,159 your discretion to make sure we're not 2555 02:13:38,159 --> 02:13:40,960 hiring more than we absolutely need to. 2556 02:13:40,960 --> 02:13:42,719 That you know that you recognize we're 2557 02:13:42,719 --> 02:13:44,079 in a time of constraint. We're going to 2558 02:13:44,079 --> 02:13:48,480 come into a much reduced budget, but 2559 02:13:48,480 --> 02:13:52,000 we're we're trying not that this policy 2560 02:13:52,000 --> 02:13:54,239 decision is to try not to micromanage 2561 02:13:54,239 --> 02:13:56,320 you on the decisions, the hard decisions 2562 02:13:56,320 --> 02:13:58,480 you have to make over the next six 2563 02:13:58,480 --> 02:14:01,679 months while we focus on the long-term 2564 02:14:01,679 --> 02:14:03,599 policy decisions we have to make for 2565 02:14:03,599 --> 02:14:08,709 fiscal year 27 and beyond. 2566 02:14:08,719 --> 02:14:11,840 Manager Ker, do you w to We This 2567 02:14:11,840 --> 02:14:14,239 discussion is intended to give you 2568 02:14:14,239 --> 02:14:19,199 direction and I think you know my 2569 02:14:19,199 --> 02:14:22,960 interpretation is the 2570 02:14:22,960 --> 02:14:24,880 Well, I'll let I'll let you respond to 2571 02:14:24,880 --> 02:14:26,480 that comment. I won't put words in your 2572 02:14:26,480 --> 02:14:27,840 mouth. 2573 02:14:27,840 --> 02:14:32,560 Um I think um I um very much appreciate 2574 02:14:32,560 --> 02:14:36,320 that direction and what I know uh you 2575 02:14:36,320 --> 02:14:38,159 know the value of you giving me that 2576 02:14:38,159 --> 02:14:42,239 direction is that when um small things 2577 02:14:42,239 --> 02:14:44,239 don't move forward like maybe the public 2578 02:14:44,239 --> 02:14:47,199 intended uh they may be part of some of 2579 02:14:47,199 --> 02:14:48,719 those decisions. I could give you a 2580 02:14:48,719 --> 02:14:50,719 couple examples if that's useful. uh 2581 02:14:50,719 --> 02:14:53,360 Marie Drake uh expanding Jim Yuse at 2582 02:14:53,360 --> 02:14:55,280 Marie Drake. We have not been able to 2583 02:14:55,280 --> 02:14:57,679 hire for that position. Seems like the 2584 02:14:57,679 --> 02:14:59,199 type of position that we need to just 2585 02:14:59,199 --> 02:15:02,079 take a pause and that's an expand. It's 2586 02:15:02,079 --> 02:15:03,760 a small very small example. Another 2587 02:15:03,760 --> 02:15:07,360 example, uh when we lost our uh 2588 02:15:07,360 --> 02:15:09,280 environmental sustainability coordinator 2589 02:15:09,280 --> 02:15:10,960 that does a lot of our waste management 2590 02:15:10,960 --> 02:15:14,320 and staffs the JCOS committee, we uh 2591 02:15:14,320 --> 02:15:17,119 paused on advertising to hire to refill 2592 02:15:17,119 --> 02:15:19,840 that position because um there's 2593 02:15:19,840 --> 02:15:22,239 uncertainty in how the assembly is going 2594 02:15:22,239 --> 02:15:24,639 to decide uh to move forward with waste. 2595 02:15:24,639 --> 02:15:26,639 Those are uh not examples that I would 2596 02:15:26,639 --> 02:15:28,639 consider assembly level decisions, but 2597 02:15:28,639 --> 02:15:31,520 those are examples of uh me trying to 2598 02:15:31,520 --> 02:15:33,280 exercise my best judgement. where you 2599 02:15:33,280 --> 02:15:35,280 may feel that by constituents saying, 2600 02:15:35,280 --> 02:15:38,159 "Hey, I want the support for this 2601 02:15:38,159 --> 02:15:40,880 committee or I want, you know, this uh 2602 02:15:40,880 --> 02:15:43,599 this service." Um, but but are examples 2603 02:15:43,599 --> 02:15:46,960 of the type of um prudent budget 2604 02:15:46,960 --> 02:15:49,280 decisions that I would be make that I am 2605 02:15:49,280 --> 02:15:51,119 making and will continue to make and 2606 02:15:51,119 --> 02:15:53,360 consider to be the spirit of Assemblyman 2607 02:15:53,360 --> 02:16:02,790 Steininger's direction. Does that help? 2608 02:16:02,800 --> 02:16:05,599 Miss Huskandies and Miss Hall. Thanks, 2609 02:16:05,599 --> 02:16:08,639 Madam Chair. 2610 02:16:08,639 --> 02:16:11,599 Lots of good stuff. I think Mr. Siger's 2611 02:16:11,599 --> 02:16:14,960 comments very helpful, very as we are 2612 02:16:14,960 --> 02:16:17,280 trying to dial this in and better 2613 02:16:17,280 --> 02:16:19,520 articulate direction that is helpful to 2614 02:16:19,520 --> 02:16:23,360 you that is more nuanced than a budget 2615 02:16:23,360 --> 02:16:25,520 that was passed that you already have as 2616 02:16:25,520 --> 02:16:28,800 something to refer back to. I think like 2617 02:16:28,800 --> 02:16:31,360 Mr. Smith, I'm going back and forth 2618 02:16:31,360 --> 02:16:33,439 between saying really then what is a 2619 02:16:33,439 --> 02:16:35,599 harm in supporting this? So I'm just 2620 02:16:35,599 --> 02:16:38,639 trying to flag for this body as we make 2621 02:16:38,639 --> 02:16:40,399 decisions 2622 02:16:40,399 --> 02:16:42,479 the sorts of things that I am thinking 2623 02:16:42,479 --> 02:16:45,599 about because 2624 02:16:45,599 --> 02:16:50,240 I what I primarily don't want is a focus 2625 02:16:50,240 --> 02:16:55,120 on 26 that eats into our seven months 2626 02:16:55,120 --> 02:16:57,679 when we need to be making decisions 2627 02:16:57,679 --> 02:17:00,000 about 27. 2628 02:17:00,000 --> 02:17:02,160 I think for myself I am trying to find 2629 02:17:02,160 --> 02:17:05,920 those things that are additive that 2630 02:17:05,920 --> 02:17:09,359 might be something we locate and 2631 02:17:09,359 --> 02:17:12,080 identify in 26 that is also going to 2632 02:17:12,080 --> 02:17:15,359 carry over into 27 is kind of how I was 2633 02:17:15,359 --> 02:17:21,270 thinking about it. um 2634 02:17:21,280 --> 02:17:24,559 6 million 6.7 million in unexpected 2635 02:17:24,559 --> 02:17:27,519 revenue is something that I I can almost 2636 02:17:27,519 --> 02:17:29,200 picture with like a meter and it just 2637 02:17:29,200 --> 02:17:31,840 drops down as we get to that 7th month 2638 02:17:31,840 --> 02:17:35,280 period. So um in a way it buys us time 2639 02:17:35,280 --> 02:17:36,800 and in another way it feels like we're 2640 02:17:36,800 --> 02:17:38,479 just burning through the money without 2641 02:17:38,479 --> 02:17:41,760 making decisions. So, I guess that's 2642 02:17:41,760 --> 02:17:43,200 just to let you know how I'm thinking 2643 02:17:43,200 --> 02:17:46,240 about it and the discomfort then that 2644 02:17:46,240 --> 02:17:49,679 identifies for me. Um, 2645 02:17:49,679 --> 02:17:53,439 I think potentially as I'm picturing I 2646 02:17:53,439 --> 02:17:55,439 think all this discussion hopefully is 2647 02:17:55,439 --> 02:17:59,439 helpful to you. Um, 2648 02:17:59,439 --> 02:18:04,240 I also it is not my intention to want to 2649 02:18:04,240 --> 02:18:06,559 micromanage those things. That's good to 2650 02:18:06,559 --> 02:18:09,040 hear. I assume you are already doing 2651 02:18:09,040 --> 02:18:10,800 that and I assume all department heads 2652 02:18:10,800 --> 02:18:12,240 are already thinking about that having 2653 02:18:12,240 --> 02:18:13,679 seen the news. I'm sure they are 2654 02:18:13,679 --> 02:18:16,479 thinking about it all the time. Um what 2655 02:18:16,479 --> 02:18:19,280 they might be able to identify. 2656 02:18:19,280 --> 02:18:21,519 I think 2657 02:18:21,519 --> 02:18:23,200 when I am trying to imagine the 2658 02:18:23,200 --> 02:18:25,840 structure that we will use for 27, it 2659 02:18:25,840 --> 02:18:28,639 seems natural to me that 26 might get a 2660 02:18:28,639 --> 02:18:30,639 little bit mixed up in the froth. And 2661 02:18:30,639 --> 02:18:32,800 that is why I was trying to kind of 2662 02:18:32,800 --> 02:18:35,679 preserve that because 2663 02:18:35,679 --> 02:18:38,880 it may be that 2664 02:18:38,880 --> 02:18:40,800 as 2665 02:18:40,800 --> 02:18:44,240 if we say just go forward with 26 making 2666 02:18:44,240 --> 02:18:46,880 prudent budget decisions 2667 02:18:46,880 --> 02:18:49,439 that at the next finance meeting we want 2668 02:18:49,439 --> 02:18:52,639 to say you know can you identify 2669 02:18:52,639 --> 02:18:55,519 potential like a partial hiring freeze 2670 02:18:55,519 --> 02:18:57,599 and I don't know that if this body would 2671 02:18:57,599 --> 02:19:01,920 do that Um, I don't know some of the 2672 02:19:01,920 --> 02:19:04,080 future things we might want. Bring back 2673 02:19:04,080 --> 02:19:06,719 a list of all vacant positions currently 2674 02:19:06,719 --> 02:19:09,359 across the department. What would 2675 02:19:09,359 --> 02:19:11,200 something that would be useful in 2676 02:19:11,200 --> 02:19:14,880 regards to hiring look like? Um, I do 2677 02:19:14,880 --> 02:19:17,040 think it's very important and and that 2678 02:19:17,040 --> 02:19:18,639 is why it's so important we involve the 2679 02:19:18,639 --> 02:19:21,040 public that we are giving direction and 2680 02:19:21,040 --> 02:19:24,160 not not just turning to staff and saying 2681 02:19:24,160 --> 02:19:25,840 bring back cuts because we don't want to 2682 02:19:25,840 --> 02:19:28,399 make any. And I mean, we're all in a 2683 02:19:28,399 --> 02:19:34,709 very unpleasant situation together. Um, 2684 02:19:34,719 --> 02:19:36,160 » is that 2685 02:19:36,160 --> 02:19:38,559 >> everybody? We're all in it together. Uh, 2686 02:19:38,559 --> 02:19:40,240 so I I guess that's the only thing is 2687 02:19:40,240 --> 02:19:42,719 like I'm thinking what potentially might 2688 02:19:42,719 --> 02:19:44,960 we find in the 27 process that we might 2689 02:19:44,960 --> 02:19:47,200 want to say. Also, 2690 02:19:47,200 --> 02:19:49,920 could could that be applied before 7 2691 02:19:49,920 --> 02:19:52,160 months are over? Because if it could, 2692 02:19:52,160 --> 02:19:53,680 then we might save some money. Like if 2693 02:19:53,680 --> 02:19:55,520 I'm just thinking of my own budget, like 2694 02:19:55,520 --> 02:19:57,520 what might I identify that I could cut 2695 02:19:57,520 --> 02:19:59,520 in two months, like looking at my 2696 02:19:59,520 --> 02:20:01,359 subscription. So that's how I'm thinking 2697 02:20:01,359 --> 02:20:03,200 about it. I'm not trying to add work for 2698 02:20:03,200 --> 02:20:06,240 staff, but it seems like we might find 2699 02:20:06,240 --> 02:20:08,319 things and I I could I could be okay 2700 02:20:08,319 --> 02:20:11,120 just letting this motion go tonight, but 2701 02:20:11,120 --> 02:20:13,840 I think in that process, we might find 2702 02:20:13,840 --> 02:20:16,319 things that we do want to apply to 26. 2703 02:20:16,319 --> 02:20:18,000 So that's kind of what I'm trying to 2704 02:20:18,000 --> 02:20:22,230 preserve. 2705 02:20:22,240 --> 02:20:23,600 » Miss Hall. 2706 02:20:23,600 --> 02:20:29,520 >> Thank you, Madam Chair. Um, so again, I read this as simply the staff 2707 02:20:29,520 --> 02:20:31,760 recommends no broad service reductions 2708 02:20:31,760 --> 02:20:34,319 or formal operating budget reductions 2709 02:20:34,319 --> 02:20:36,640 implemented in FY26. 2710 02:20:36,640 --> 02:20:40,000 However, they are saying we have the 2711 02:20:40,000 --> 02:20:45,840 ability to make, you know, that you as staff have already identified some 2712 02:20:45,840 --> 02:20:48,720 things that might possibly be cut. So, I 2713 02:20:48,720 --> 02:20:50,640 see we're we're covering both of those 2714 02:20:50,640 --> 02:20:53,359 in this. Am I reading that correctly? 2715 02:20:53,359 --> 02:20:56,000 Yeah. So, I I think I you know, why 2716 02:20:56,000 --> 02:20:59,120 wouldn't we support this? I think it's 2717 02:20:59,120 --> 02:21:01,439 maybe got a little confusing thinking we 2718 02:21:01,439 --> 02:21:04,800 needed to delve into all the several 2719 02:21:04,800 --> 02:21:06,720 service reduction ideas that were 2720 02:21:06,720 --> 02:21:13,120 brought forward, but no, we can ask our staff to to do that. Am I correct? 2721 02:21:13,120 --> 02:21:16,880 And we can do both. Yeah. Go ahead, 2722 02:21:16,880 --> 02:21:18,880 >> Miss Flick. 2723 02:21:18,880 --> 02:21:20,800 >> Um, thank you [clears throat] and partly 2724 02:21:20,800 --> 02:21:22,240 to Miss Hall and partly to Miss 2725 02:21:22,240 --> 02:21:25,600 Huskandies. Um, I think as as you all 2726 02:21:25,600 --> 02:21:30,000 wrestle with what FY27 looks like, there 2727 02:21:30,000 --> 02:21:32,000 will 2728 02:21:32,000 --> 02:21:34,160 you will be giving direction before 2729 02:21:34,160 --> 02:21:36,240 we're out of FY26. 2730 02:21:36,240 --> 02:21:41,439 So, if you say, "Hey, in FY27, we're not going to do this thing anymore 2731 02:21:41,439 --> 02:21:44,160 or we're going to do less of this thing 2732 02:21:44,160 --> 02:21:48,479 and in 26 there's already a natural flow 2733 02:21:48,479 --> 02:21:51,439 to move there." The manager is going to 2734 02:21:51,439 --> 02:21:54,319 make that happen. So if you know program 2735 02:21:54,319 --> 02:21:57,760 XYZ is going to move to 50% of what it 2736 02:21:57,760 --> 02:22:00,240 is today and we have a staff person 2737 02:22:00,240 --> 02:22:03,920 leave in April, it wouldn't make sense 2738 02:22:03,920 --> 02:22:06,479 to fill that position for May and June 2739 02:22:06,479 --> 02:22:07,680 knowing that we would just have to cut 2740 02:22:07,680 --> 02:22:10,240 it in July, right? So I think I think 2741 02:22:10,240 --> 02:22:14,800 that as you make decisions about 27, 2742 02:22:14,800 --> 02:22:17,439 we will naturally lean wherever we are 2743 02:22:17,439 --> 02:22:21,040 in 26 to be moving to that 27 place. And 2744 02:22:21,040 --> 02:22:26,479 so I think um miss you scandies your concern about what can we do early 2745 02:22:26,479 --> 02:22:27,760 that's not the word you use but what can 2746 02:22:27,760 --> 02:22:30,880 we do early in 26 that we've decided for 2747 02:22:30,880 --> 02:22:33,280 27 I think that will happen naturally 2748 02:22:33,280 --> 02:22:34,960 based on the decisions that you make and 2749 02:22:34,960 --> 02:22:42,630 the timing of those decisions. 2750 02:22:42,640 --> 02:22:44,240 I'm 2751 02:22:44,240 --> 02:22:45,760 um 2752 02:22:45,760 --> 02:22:47,520 feeling 2753 02:22:47,520 --> 02:22:51,429 like I gotta move this along or 2754 02:22:51,429 --> 02:22:53,439 [laughter] 2755 02:22:53,439 --> 02:22:56,240 do folks have new things to add before 2756 02:22:56,240 --> 02:22:58,160 we vote. 2757 02:22:58,160 --> 02:23:00,960 Go ahead, Mr. Smith. 2758 02:23:00,960 --> 02:23:03,200 >> I I wish Thank you, Madam Chair. I wish 2759 02:23:03,200 --> 02:23:05,120 I were there because I get I feel like 2760 02:23:05,120 --> 02:23:06,800 we're all kind We're all kind of hoping 2761 02:23:06,800 --> 02:23:09,520 to say the same thing. I just um and I I 2762 02:23:09,520 --> 02:23:11,040 wish I were there because I would have 2763 02:23:11,040 --> 02:23:11,760 tried [clears throat] to maybe work 2764 02:23:11,760 --> 02:23:14,640 through an amendment. Um 2765 02:23:14,640 --> 02:23:16,960 I'm going to try it if if tell me if the 2766 02:23:16,960 --> 02:23:20,240 room just groans in pain and and I can 2767 02:23:20,240 --> 02:23:21,439 get it because again I don't want to 2768 02:23:21,439 --> 02:23:23,120 just belabor this. 2769 02:23:23,120 --> 02:23:24,399 >> I was hoping someone would make an 2770 02:23:24,399 --> 02:23:25,359 amendment. So 2771 02:23:25,359 --> 02:23:29,760 >> I'm going to try one and I there might 2772 02:23:29,760 --> 02:23:31,520 be language at the end of it that will 2773 02:23:31,520 --> 02:23:33,600 make one person in particular grown. Um 2774 02:23:33,600 --> 02:23:37,200 and I'd be open to ideas on it. Um, 2775 02:23:37,200 --> 02:23:40,240 okay. So, going off the the mayor's 2776 02:23:40,240 --> 02:23:41,920 motion, which was my understanding was 2777 02:23:41,920 --> 02:23:44,960 the first line of the of the suggested 2778 02:23:44,960 --> 02:23:48,240 action, um, would, you know, staff 2779 02:23:48,240 --> 02:23:49,359 recommends that no broad service 2780 02:23:49,359 --> 02:23:50,880 reductions or formal operating budgets 2781 02:23:50,880 --> 02:23:53,840 are implemented in FY26. 2782 02:23:53,840 --> 02:23:56,800 My amendment is to add 2783 02:23:56,800 --> 02:23:59,760 though targeted reductions such as new 2784 02:23:59,760 --> 02:24:05,349 programs or projects. 2785 02:24:05,359 --> 02:24:09,439 This is where it gets bad. Um may be 2786 02:24:09,439 --> 02:24:14,870 evaluated and considered 2787 02:24:14,880 --> 02:24:17,120 I was going to say by the manager but um 2788 02:24:17,120 --> 02:24:18,960 okay though targeted reductions such as 2789 02:24:18,960 --> 02:24:22,640 new programs or projects 2790 02:24:22,640 --> 02:24:31,270 may be implemented. 2791 02:24:31,280 --> 02:24:33,520 I'm going just stop there because again, 2792 02:24:33,520 --> 02:24:34,800 I don't know how to I don't know the 2793 02:24:34,800 --> 02:24:38,800 process of that, but I think we can get 2794 02:24:38,800 --> 02:24:40,720 >> I think we can figure that part out. 2795 02:24:40,720 --> 02:24:43,520 >> That's a good intent language. I'll ask 2796 02:24:43,520 --> 02:24:46,080 staff if that would give you um 2797 02:24:46,080 --> 02:24:48,080 direction that you feel like you could 2798 02:24:48,080 --> 02:24:51,760 work with if the body was to vote in the 2799 02:24:51,760 --> 02:24:54,319 affirmative. 2800 02:24:54,319 --> 02:24:57,600 >> Thank you, Chair Wall. Um I would uh 2801 02:24:57,600 --> 02:24:59,520 appreciate understanding how that 2802 02:24:59,520 --> 02:25:02,640 direction is different from a timing's 2803 02:25:02,640 --> 02:25:05,840 um comments on is it is it is it to kind 2804 02:25:05,840 --> 02:25:08,640 of codify his comments in a motion about 2805 02:25:08,640 --> 02:25:10,240 how to manage the budget moving forward 2806 02:25:10,240 --> 02:25:12,479 or is it different? getting a I'm 2807 02:25:12,479 --> 02:25:14,880 getting a head nod from Mr. Smith that 2808 02:25:14,880 --> 02:25:17,520 yes, he's trying to codify that 2809 02:25:17,520 --> 02:25:20,630 direction. 2810 02:25:20,640 --> 02:25:23,359 All right, we have a motion on the floor 2811 02:25:23,359 --> 02:25:26,880 with an amendment. Any objections to the 2812 02:25:26,880 --> 02:25:30,710 amendment? 2813 02:25:30,720 --> 02:25:33,760 Seeing none, that is so moved. It brings 2814 02:25:33,760 --> 02:25:36,880 us back to the original motion as 2815 02:25:36,880 --> 02:25:41,200 amended. Any objections? 2816 02:25:41,200 --> 02:25:43,760 All right, seeing none, that is so 2817 02:25:43,760 --> 02:25:46,160 moved. Thank you all for working through 2818 02:25:46,160 --> 02:25:48,720 that. Um, 2819 02:25:48,720 --> 02:25:50,319 and 2820 02:25:50,319 --> 02:25:53,600 thanks Mayor Mayor Walden for starting 2821 02:25:53,600 --> 02:25:58,880 us off. All right, brings us to question 2822 02:25:58,880 --> 02:26:00,880 action number two. And this is 2823 02:26:00,880 --> 02:26:03,120 specifically about the assembly grant 2824 02:26:03,120 --> 02:26:06,640 funding um to grantees. Mayor Welding, 2825 02:26:06,640 --> 02:26:09,600 will you start us off with a motion? Can 2826 02:26:09,600 --> 02:26:12,640 I have a twominut Eddie? Yes. to uh 2827 02:26:12,640 --> 02:27:54,630 confer with Assembly Member Tiner. 2828 02:27:54,640 --> 02:28:17,590 You're 2829 02:28:17,600 --> 02:28:19,920 Mayor Walden 2830 02:28:19,920 --> 02:28:22,160 Ken, this might be irritating to some, 2831 02:28:22,160 --> 02:28:23,600 but uh we're going to do something a 2832 02:28:23,600 --> 02:28:27,680 little different. Um [laughter] 2833 02:28:27,680 --> 02:28:30,319 but uh Mr. Brooks, we do take it to 2834 02:28:30,319 --> 02:28:33,040 heart what the voters tell us. And uh so 2835 02:28:33,040 --> 02:28:35,359 my motion is to direct staff to reach 2836 02:28:35,359 --> 02:28:38,640 out to each member on the assembly grant 2837 02:28:38,640 --> 02:28:42,319 um budget list and ask them for an 2838 02:28:42,319 --> 02:28:47,750 amended request. 2839 02:28:47,760 --> 02:28:50,319 The last part of your motion was hard to 2840 02:28:50,319 --> 02:28:51,200 hear. 2841 02:28:51,200 --> 02:28:57,670 >> And to ask for an amended request. 2842 02:28:57,680 --> 02:29:01,280 » Um, I see Miss Hughes Handies. 2843 02:29:01,280 --> 02:29:03,680 >> Thanks, Madam Chair. I will object to 2844 02:29:03,680 --> 02:29:06,479 that motion. 2845 02:29:06,479 --> 02:29:09,439 I would object because this would not be 2846 02:29:09,439 --> 02:29:12,399 the first part of the budget. This would 2847 02:29:12,399 --> 02:29:14,160 be, I guess, what I would consider 2848 02:29:14,160 --> 02:29:17,680 classic what I heard people voicing that 2849 02:29:17,680 --> 02:29:19,680 they didn't want to do, which is to make 2850 02:29:19,680 --> 02:29:22,479 willy-nilly cuts. So, we've identified 2851 02:29:22,479 --> 02:29:28,960 one section of our FY26 budget and 2852 02:29:28,960 --> 02:29:31,439 what's that operating budget? FY20, 2853 02:29:31,439 --> 02:29:33,840 sorry, I'm distracted. our FY26 2854 02:29:33,840 --> 02:29:35,439 operating budget and we've pulled this 2855 02:29:35,439 --> 02:29:38,000 piece out and then we've said maybe we 2856 02:29:38,000 --> 02:29:40,560 should cut this and let's go back to 2857 02:29:40,560 --> 02:29:42,080 these people and see how they would do 2858 02:29:42,080 --> 02:29:44,560 without that budget. To me, I don't know 2859 02:29:44,560 --> 02:29:47,680 why I wouldn't say manager Kuster go to 2860 02:29:47,680 --> 02:29:50,240 this department and see what they could 2861 02:29:50,240 --> 02:29:52,560 do without. There's a difference 2862 02:29:52,560 --> 02:29:55,920 obviously, but I think there are 2863 02:29:55,920 --> 02:29:58,399 probably nine different opinions of what 2864 02:29:58,399 --> 02:30:01,040 you would what we would all rank as 2865 02:30:01,040 --> 02:30:03,760 potentially the first place we would 2866 02:30:03,760 --> 02:30:06,720 should go for cuts. Um, and it probably 2867 02:30:06,720 --> 02:30:08,479 comes as no surprise to this assembly 2868 02:30:08,479 --> 02:30:10,240 that for me, this would definitely not 2869 02:30:10,240 --> 02:30:11,920 be the first place that I would go for 2870 02:30:11,920 --> 02:30:14,479 cuts. So, I would object for those 2871 02:30:14,479 --> 02:30:19,280 reasons. And then in our wonderful 2872 02:30:19,280 --> 02:30:22,160 packet, which I really did like, uh, on 2873 02:30:22,160 --> 02:30:25,680 page 31, we have service listings broken 2874 02:30:25,680 --> 02:30:28,560 out into different sections. 2875 02:30:28,560 --> 02:30:30,319 And 2876 02:30:30,319 --> 02:30:32,399 that's another way of thinking about 2877 02:30:32,399 --> 02:30:34,399 different parts of the budget that you 2878 02:30:34,399 --> 02:30:36,720 could just go into with a wrench and 2879 02:30:36,720 --> 02:30:39,280 start messing about. But there's nothing 2880 02:30:39,280 --> 02:30:42,640 about this piece that makes sense to me. 2881 02:30:42,640 --> 02:30:44,880 went with the rest of the memo and the 2882 02:30:44,880 --> 02:30:47,760 rest of the packet. Why this decision 2883 02:30:47,760 --> 02:30:50,640 was pulled out even from staff. The fact 2884 02:30:50,640 --> 02:30:53,520 that it's a section that staff is asking 2885 02:30:53,520 --> 02:30:57,439 for direction on was strange to me. Not 2886 02:30:57,439 --> 02:30:59,680 strange to me. I can figure out common 2887 02:30:59,680 --> 02:31:02,720 sense-wise, but to me it is a 2888 02:31:02,720 --> 02:31:05,600 inappropriate piece. It doesn't match 2889 02:31:05,600 --> 02:31:08,399 with number one. So to say this is our 2890 02:31:08,399 --> 02:31:11,280 recommendation here, but also what about 2891 02:31:11,280 --> 02:31:13,760 just cutting this piece. So for all of 2892 02:31:13,760 --> 02:31:19,110 those reasons, I will object. 2893 02:31:19,120 --> 02:31:22,080 » Um, Madame Mayor, go ahead. 2894 02:31:22,080 --> 02:31:23,920 >> I apologize. Apparently that sounded 2895 02:31:23,920 --> 02:31:25,520 harsher than I meant it to. That's not 2896 02:31:25,520 --> 02:31:26,960 what I was looking for at all, but thank 2897 02:31:26,960 --> 02:31:28,560 you for that, Miss Husseanies, for 2898 02:31:28,560 --> 02:31:31,680 stomping me into the ground. Um anyway, 2899 02:31:31,680 --> 02:31:33,520 my the thought behind this and that's 2900 02:31:33,520 --> 02:31:36,000 why I can say if they would how about I 2901 02:31:36,000 --> 02:31:37,920 would me amend it to say would consider 2902 02:31:37,920 --> 02:31:40,960 an amended request. My thought was maybe 2903 02:31:40,960 --> 02:31:42,640 with some of these people knowing our 2904 02:31:42,640 --> 02:31:45,200 circumstances might alter their um 2905 02:31:45,200 --> 02:31:47,439 wishes. So I would add that they 2906 02:31:47,439 --> 02:31:50,479 consider an amended request, but I hear 2907 02:31:50,479 --> 02:31:53,200 what you're saying, Miss Usetti. 2908 02:31:53,200 --> 02:31:54,800 >> I'm going to not treat that as an 2909 02:31:54,800 --> 02:31:56,479 amendment and just treat that as your 2910 02:31:56,479 --> 02:31:58,080 motion. I I think that was your intent. 2911 02:31:58,080 --> 02:32:00,640 So we have a slightly different emotion 2912 02:32:00,640 --> 02:32:03,439 on the floor now. Miss Huskinies, you 2913 02:32:03,439 --> 02:32:05,280 maintain your objection. Yes, Miss 2914 02:32:05,280 --> 02:32:06,720 Atkinson. 2915 02:32:06,720 --> 02:32:08,880 >> Uh, thank you, Madam Chair. I will also 2916 02:32:08,880 --> 02:32:12,319 object to this motion. I remember this 2917 02:32:12,319 --> 02:32:14,880 assembly grants year being pretty 2918 02:32:14,880 --> 02:32:17,920 fraught. We cut a lot of um requests in 2919 02:32:17,920 --> 02:32:19,280 half. We made a lot of recurring 2920 02:32:19,280 --> 02:32:21,920 requests not recurring. And to that end, 2921 02:32:21,920 --> 02:32:24,640 I think that um much of these requests 2922 02:32:24,640 --> 02:32:27,520 are not in fact recurring. And I just 2923 02:32:27,520 --> 02:32:29,280 don't think this is I agree with Mrs. 2924 02:32:29,280 --> 02:32:30,800 Scandies. This is the place I would not 2925 02:32:30,800 --> 02:32:34,240 cut. And for many of these folks, they 2926 02:32:34,240 --> 02:32:37,120 really can't afford to take the time to 2927 02:32:37,120 --> 02:32:40,000 make an amended request. And I can't 2928 02:32:40,000 --> 02:32:42,160 imagine they have budgeted on what 2929 02:32:42,160 --> 02:32:43,680 they've currently gotten, but they've 2930 02:32:43,680 --> 02:32:46,640 had to assume uh with nonprofits with 2931 02:32:46,640 --> 02:32:47,920 shoestring budgets, they've had to 2932 02:32:47,920 --> 02:32:49,200 assume that they will get the grants 2933 02:32:49,200 --> 02:32:52,319 that we did promise them. So, um, I 2934 02:32:52,319 --> 02:32:54,800 would be, uh, I'm very much objecting to 2935 02:32:54,800 --> 02:32:56,319 this motion, though I I I appreciate 2936 02:32:56,319 --> 02:32:59,280 what the mayor's attempted to do. 2937 02:32:59,280 --> 02:33:02,399 >> Mr. Kelly, then Mr. Brooks. 2938 02:33:02,399 --> 02:33:04,240 >> In the interest of time, since I largely 2939 02:33:04,240 --> 02:33:05,600 agree with Miss Atinson and Miss 2940 02:33:05,600 --> 02:33:10,469 Yuscantes, I won't restate their points. 2941 02:33:10,479 --> 02:33:13,280 » Mr. Brooks, 2942 02:33:13,280 --> 02:33:16,880 >> I would speak in support of the motion. 2943 02:33:16,880 --> 02:33:19,359 Uh looking at the list that was given 2944 02:33:19,359 --> 02:33:23,040 here, yes. Uh to Assembly Member 2945 02:33:23,040 --> 02:33:24,960 Atkinson's point, there are a lot of 2946 02:33:24,960 --> 02:33:27,359 these organizations who don't have the 2947 02:33:27,359 --> 02:33:31,280 ability to close the gap if anyone were 2948 02:33:31,280 --> 02:33:34,640 to occur. But phrasing the question to 2949 02:33:34,640 --> 02:33:37,520 some of these entities, 2950 02:33:37,520 --> 02:33:39,680 like the mayor had mentioned, might 2951 02:33:39,680 --> 02:33:44,319 result in u a level of understanding. 2952 02:33:44,319 --> 02:33:47,040 uh a handful of these organizations have 2953 02:33:47,040 --> 02:33:50,319 very significant asset withholdings and 2954 02:33:50,319 --> 02:33:53,760 reserves and um I think that those would 2955 02:33:53,760 --> 02:33:55,680 be some of the more considerate 2956 02:33:55,680 --> 02:33:59,200 organizations to um 2957 02:33:59,200 --> 02:34:01,920 you know maybe maybe lighten their ask a 2958 02:34:01,920 --> 02:34:06,469 bit to help the city as a whole. 2959 02:34:06,479 --> 02:34:08,880 » Mr. Steininger 2960 02:34:08,880 --> 02:34:10,720 and I'll speak in support of this as 2961 02:34:10,720 --> 02:34:13,680 well. You know, I think there's 2962 02:34:13,680 --> 02:34:17,040 some of these organizations you part the 2963 02:34:17,040 --> 02:34:19,200 purpose of my question of asking who's 2964 02:34:19,200 --> 02:34:21,520 reached out to say that this is causing 2965 02:34:21,520 --> 02:34:23,520 problems was to also get an 2966 02:34:23,520 --> 02:34:25,439 understanding of are there organizations 2967 02:34:25,439 --> 02:34:29,439 who haven't reached out at all. And 2968 02:34:29,439 --> 02:34:30,960 that tells me there may be some of these 2969 02:34:30,960 --> 02:34:32,399 organizations that are willing to come 2970 02:34:32,399 --> 02:34:34,800 back and say, "Yep, we can help. We see 2971 02:34:34,800 --> 02:34:36,479 what's going on at the city level as 2972 02:34:36,479 --> 02:34:39,040 well. we can also sharpen our pencils 2973 02:34:39,040 --> 02:34:41,760 and kind of be part of that process. And 2974 02:34:41,760 --> 02:34:43,920 I don't see this necessarily in conflict 2975 02:34:43,920 --> 02:34:47,760 with our action on on point one earlier 2976 02:34:47,760 --> 02:34:51,280 because we all know that our management 2977 02:34:51,280 --> 02:34:53,439 within the city are sharpening their 2978 02:34:53,439 --> 02:34:55,600 pencils and trying to come out of fiscal 2979 02:34:55,600 --> 02:34:58,720 year 26 with as little spend as possible 2980 02:34:58,720 --> 02:35:00,640 while still achieving all the goals we 2981 02:35:00,640 --> 02:35:03,439 have. And by going back to these 2982 02:35:03,439 --> 02:35:05,359 grantees, I feel like we're asking them 2983 02:35:05,359 --> 02:35:07,920 to do the same. And some of them may 2984 02:35:07,920 --> 02:35:09,920 come back and say, "Nope, we have 2985 02:35:09,920 --> 02:35:12,080 slotted every penny of this and and need 2986 02:35:12,080 --> 02:35:14,640 it to deliver what we need to deliver to 2987 02:35:14,640 --> 02:35:16,479 constituents within the community." And 2988 02:35:16,479 --> 02:35:18,080 those, you know, a lot of these are 2989 02:35:18,080 --> 02:35:20,560 social services grants that are going to 2990 02:35:20,560 --> 02:35:22,800 the neediest of Junoites. I don't really 2991 02:35:22,800 --> 02:35:24,319 expect those ones to come back saying, 2992 02:35:24,319 --> 02:35:26,080 "Hey, we could cut it in half," you 2993 02:35:26,080 --> 02:35:28,720 know, but some of these are, 2994 02:35:28,720 --> 02:35:30,560 you know, kind of on a nice to have, you 2995 02:35:30,560 --> 02:35:32,560 know, but they're good things that, you 2996 02:35:32,560 --> 02:35:35,680 know, we funded for very good reason, 2997 02:35:35,680 --> 02:35:37,680 but might be able to come back and say 2998 02:35:37,680 --> 02:35:39,840 in spirit of what they know the city's 2999 02:35:39,840 --> 02:35:41,680 going through, you know, they can come 3000 02:35:41,680 --> 02:35:45,520 back and and show support for the 3001 02:35:45,520 --> 02:35:47,200 efforts that we're doing. And I think 3002 02:35:47,200 --> 02:35:51,600 that's, you know, the mayor's motion is asking asking to see where that 3003 02:35:51,600 --> 02:35:53,520 supported and where that kind of 3004 02:35:53,520 --> 02:35:56,560 community belt tightening can happen. So 3005 02:35:56,560 --> 02:35:58,640 I'm supporting the amend or the motion. 3006 02:35:58,640 --> 02:36:00,160 Thank you 3007 02:36:00,160 --> 02:36:02,080 >> Mr. Smith. 3008 02:36:02,080 --> 02:36:04,240 >> Thank you Madam Chair. I'm objecting for 3009 02:36:04,240 --> 02:36:05,840 just for the purpose of a question and 3010 02:36:05,840 --> 02:36:07,359 that's 3011 02:36:07,359 --> 02:36:10,000 um I I a concern of mine I guess is just 3012 02:36:10,000 --> 02:36:12,640 you know I don't want to keep drag I 3013 02:36:12,640 --> 02:36:14,319 don't want to drag this out for months I 3014 02:36:14,319 --> 02:36:18,160 guess. So a question for staff like 3015 02:36:18,160 --> 02:36:20,319 how quickly can we ask and can we set a 3016 02:36:20,319 --> 02:36:22,960 short timeline? So that you know we can 3017 02:36:22,960 --> 02:36:27,760 maybe have a sense of responses by 3018 02:36:27,760 --> 02:36:30,160 the you know the December meeting. Is 3019 02:36:30,160 --> 02:36:35,910 that a reasonable time frame? 3020 02:36:35,920 --> 02:36:38,479 » December finance meeting. 3021 02:36:38,479 --> 02:36:43,750 >> Thank you Mr. Smith. 3022 02:36:43,760 --> 02:36:46,319 Test. Test. There we go. 3023 02:36:46,319 --> 02:36:49,280 I think it is possible to reach out to 3024 02:36:49,280 --> 02:36:52,240 organizations and request that they get 3025 02:36:52,240 --> 02:36:54,160 back to us in time for packet 3026 02:36:54,160 --> 02:36:55,840 preparation for the December finance 3027 02:36:55,840 --> 02:36:57,600 meeting. I think any faster than that 3028 02:36:57,600 --> 02:36:58,880 would be challenging for the 3029 02:36:58,880 --> 02:37:01,200 organizations that might be interested 3030 02:37:01,200 --> 02:37:04,160 if any are interested in taking a hard 3031 02:37:04,160 --> 02:37:06,560 look at their budgets. Um that that work 3032 02:37:06,560 --> 02:37:08,319 can be ownorous and challenging. So 3033 02:37:08,319 --> 02:37:09,920 giving them less time I think would make 3034 02:37:09,920 --> 02:37:12,960 it that harder uh for for those that 3035 02:37:12,960 --> 02:37:15,280 potentially might be uh able or willing 3036 02:37:15,280 --> 02:37:18,399 to do that. 3037 02:37:18,399 --> 02:37:22,000 >> Thank you for that. Um I'll I'll remove 3038 02:37:22,000 --> 02:37:26,880 my objection and speak in favor of it. I don't know we're going to hear back. I 3039 02:37:26,880 --> 02:37:30,000 think it's worth an ask 3040 02:37:30,000 --> 02:37:33,520 and we may see we may not. But if we 3041 02:37:33,520 --> 02:37:35,120 can, you know, again hopefully deal this 3042 02:37:35,120 --> 02:37:38,319 with by the end of this fiscal year. 3043 02:37:38,319 --> 02:37:41,760 I'm okay with that with asking this and 3044 02:37:41,760 --> 02:37:46,790 so I'll support the motion. Thanks. 3045 02:37:46,800 --> 02:37:50,080 » I'll speak um in opposition to this 3046 02:37:50,080 --> 02:37:54,720 motion. Um I too feel like this 3047 02:37:54,720 --> 02:37:58,080 direction is counter to 3048 02:37:58,080 --> 02:38:01,520 the the direction we just gave. This is 3049 02:38:01,520 --> 02:38:04,000 part of our operating budget. These are 3050 02:38:04,000 --> 02:38:07,120 groups doing work on our behalf and this 3051 02:38:07,120 --> 02:38:09,760 is their operating budgets most in most 3052 02:38:09,760 --> 02:38:13,040 of these cases. Um 3053 02:38:13,040 --> 02:38:15,840 you know I think it plays into this idea 3054 02:38:15,840 --> 02:38:17,680 that our community grants are 3055 02:38:17,680 --> 02:38:20,319 philanthropy that we're doing this to be 3056 02:38:20,319 --> 02:38:22,479 nice. We're doing this because these are 3057 02:38:22,479 --> 02:38:24,080 needed services in our communities that 3058 02:38:24,080 --> 02:38:25,920 others can do more efficiently and 3059 02:38:25,920 --> 02:38:32,399 better um than we can. I also think it's 3060 02:38:32,399 --> 02:38:35,040 a waste of time to ask these groups, can 3061 02:38:35,040 --> 02:38:38,479 you ask for less money? They can do that 3062 02:38:38,479 --> 02:38:41,040 if they want to. They can they can come 3063 02:38:41,040 --> 02:38:42,479 back and tell us that they're not going 3064 02:38:42,479 --> 02:38:47,520 to be spending the money. Um, but 3065 02:38:47,520 --> 02:38:49,520 the nonprofit sector is under attack 3066 02:38:49,520 --> 02:38:52,080 right now. So I do I I think it will be 3067 02:38:52,080 --> 02:38:54,720 a waste of our time to try to gather 3068 02:38:54,720 --> 02:38:56,960 that information and then try to sort 3069 02:38:56,960 --> 02:38:59,680 through this as a body about what we do 3070 02:38:59,680 --> 02:39:04,319 or do not want to um do with that. So 3071 02:39:04,319 --> 02:39:06,880 with that I will call the question. We 3072 02:39:06,880 --> 02:39:13,510 have a motion and we have an objection. 3073 02:39:13,520 --> 02:39:15,920 » On the motion to direct staff to reach 3074 02:39:15,920 --> 02:39:18,160 out to each organization on the assembly 3075 02:39:18,160 --> 02:39:20,880 grant list and ask them to consider an 3076 02:39:20,880 --> 02:39:24,399 amended request. Mayor Welen, 3077 02:39:24,399 --> 02:39:26,080 >> yes. 3078 02:39:26,080 --> 02:39:28,399 >> Assembly member Hugh Scandies, 3079 02:39:28,399 --> 02:39:31,920 >> no. Assembly member at 3080 02:39:31,920 --> 02:39:33,439 >> no. 3081 02:39:33,439 --> 02:39:36,560 Assembly member Smith. 3082 02:39:36,560 --> 02:39:39,200 >> Yes. 3083 02:39:39,200 --> 02:39:41,760 >> Assembly member Kelly. 3084 02:39:41,760 --> 02:39:43,600 >> No. 3085 02:39:43,600 --> 02:39:45,680 >> Assembly member Hall. 3086 02:39:45,680 --> 02:39:48,160 >> No. 3087 02:39:48,160 --> 02:39:51,200 >> Assembly member Brooks. 3088 02:39:51,200 --> 02:39:52,640 >> Yes. 3089 02:39:52,640 --> 02:39:54,800 >> As member Siner. 3090 02:39:54,800 --> 02:39:55,920 >> Yes. 3091 02:39:55,920 --> 02:39:58,000 >> Chairwall. 3092 02:39:58,000 --> 02:39:59,359 >> No. 3093 02:39:59,359 --> 02:40:04,319 >> Motion fails. Four A's. Five Nazs. 3094 02:40:04,319 --> 02:40:07,920 Could we get a alternative motion? 3095 02:40:07,920 --> 02:40:09,359 Mayor Welen. 3096 02:40:09,359 --> 02:40:12,479 >> Thank you. Um I would move to direct 3097 02:40:12,479 --> 02:40:14,399 staff to distribute the remaining 3098 02:40:14,399 --> 02:40:16,240 assembly grant funding to grantees in 3099 02:40:16,240 --> 02:40:18,319 FY26. 3100 02:40:18,319 --> 02:40:21,439 >> Any objection? 3101 02:40:21,439 --> 02:40:24,560 Seeing none. Oh, seeing none. That's Oh. 3102 02:40:24,560 --> 02:40:27,439 go ahead, Miss Hall. offer the 3103 02:40:27,439 --> 02:40:33,359 amendment to direct um staff to uh 3104 02:40:33,359 --> 02:40:36,560 distribute the remaining funds 3105 02:40:36,560 --> 02:40:39,359 that that ask them. If any of you don't 3106 02:40:39,359 --> 02:40:43,676 need these funds, please let us know. 3107 02:40:43,676 --> 02:40:44,640 [laughter] 3108 02:40:44,640 --> 02:40:47,359 >> Any objections to that amendment? 3109 02:40:47,359 --> 02:40:49,280 >> I think that's what the first question 3110 02:40:49,280 --> 02:40:55,910 was 3111 02:40:55,920 --> 02:40:57,200 the 3112 02:40:57,200 --> 02:40:59,680 one of these. 3113 02:40:59,680 --> 02:41:02,560 >> I I'll object just because I I 3114 02:41:02,560 --> 02:41:06,240 appreciate what uh member Hall is trying 3115 02:41:06,240 --> 02:41:09,760 to do. I just think I'm trying to think 3116 02:41:09,760 --> 02:41:14,000 of staff here and I don't know how that 3117 02:41:14,000 --> 02:41:16,399 it's good direction to direct them to 3118 02:41:16,399 --> 02:41:19,760 distribute the funds. 3119 02:41:19,760 --> 02:41:21,280 I don't know what that process looks 3120 02:41:21,280 --> 02:41:26,800 like. If it's an email, with an AC, 3121 02:41:26,800 --> 02:41:31,280 and then you say, "By the way," in bold, 3122 02:41:31,280 --> 02:41:33,680 "Don't let me know if I can have this 3123 02:41:33,680 --> 02:41:36,960 money back." It just it it maybe staff 3124 02:41:36,960 --> 02:41:39,600 could elaborate, but this just seems 3125 02:41:39,600 --> 02:41:41,920 like uh a waste of their time, but I do 3126 02:41:41,920 --> 02:41:43,359 appreciate the sentiment, so I'm going 3127 02:41:43,359 --> 02:41:46,399 to object. 3128 02:41:46,399 --> 02:41:50,160 >> We have an amendment. We have objection. 3129 02:41:50,160 --> 02:41:52,640 Um, Miss Wendle, will you call roll on 3130 02:41:52,640 --> 02:41:55,040 the amendment? 3131 02:41:55,040 --> 02:41:56,720 >> Thank you, Chair Wall. On the amendment 3132 02:41:56,720 --> 02:41:59,040 to direct to direct staff to distribute 3133 02:41:59,040 --> 02:42:00,479 the remaining funds, but ask 3134 02:42:00,479 --> 02:42:02,240 organizations if they don't need these 3135 02:42:02,240 --> 02:42:06,207 funds to please let us know. 3136 02:42:06,207 --> 02:42:06,800 [gasps and laughter] 3137 02:42:06,800 --> 02:42:09,760 >> Assembly member Hall, 3138 02:42:09,760 --> 02:42:11,040 >> yes. 3139 02:42:11,040 --> 02:42:12,560 >> Assembly member Hugh Gandies, 3140 02:42:12,560 --> 02:42:13,840 >> no. 3141 02:42:13,840 --> 02:42:15,920 >> Assembly member Smith, 3142 02:42:15,920 --> 02:42:17,920 >> yes. 3143 02:42:17,920 --> 02:42:20,160 Assembly member Kelly, 3144 02:42:20,160 --> 02:42:21,840 >> yes. 3145 02:42:21,840 --> 02:42:23,840 >> Assembly member Atkinson, 3146 02:42:23,840 --> 02:42:26,160 >> no. 3147 02:42:26,160 --> 02:42:28,000 >> Mayor Welen, 3148 02:42:28,000 --> 02:42:30,880 >> yes. 3149 02:42:30,880 --> 02:42:33,439 >> Assembly member Brooks, 3150 02:42:33,439 --> 02:42:35,280 >> yes. 3151 02:42:35,280 --> 02:42:37,359 >> Assembly member Steiner, 3152 02:42:37,359 --> 02:42:38,479 >> yes. 3153 02:42:38,479 --> 02:42:40,160 >> Chair Wall, 3154 02:42:40,160 --> 02:42:41,920 >> no. 3155 02:42:41,920 --> 02:42:45,359 >> Amendment passes. Six's three ns. That 3156 02:42:45,359 --> 02:42:49,120 brings us back to the original motion as 3157 02:42:49,120 --> 02:42:50,800 amended. 3158 02:42:50,800 --> 02:42:54,160 Miss W. Any objections, 3159 02:42:54,160 --> 02:42:56,560 Miss Wendle? Oop. Sorry. We We don't 3160 02:42:56,560 --> 02:42:59,520 need We That move. That's moved. We're 3161 02:42:59,520 --> 02:43:02,160 good. Moving on. 3162 02:43:02,160 --> 02:43:06,550 Okay. Um 3163 02:43:06,560 --> 02:43:09,200 the last question. Does the AFC wish to 3164 02:43:09,200 --> 02:43:10,960 give any direction on one-time or 3165 02:43:10,960 --> 02:43:14,080 project funding for FY26? 3166 02:43:14,080 --> 02:43:16,800 I believe we already gave some direction 3167 02:43:16,800 --> 02:43:19,520 to not 3168 02:43:19,520 --> 02:43:24,319 start new things, but maybe I'll ask 3169 02:43:24,319 --> 02:43:26,240 staff if 3170 02:43:26,240 --> 02:43:30,479 what direction they would like here. 3171 02:43:30,479 --> 02:43:34,070 Um, 3172 02:43:34,080 --> 02:43:36,000 we brought up a couple of examples. 3173 02:43:36,000 --> 02:43:38,720 There's certainly many capital projects 3174 02:43:38,720 --> 02:43:41,920 uh on our um what we call it the 3175 02:43:41,920 --> 02:43:43,760 oneliner which you get in the CIP every 3176 02:43:43,760 --> 02:43:45,279 year which are capital projects with 3177 02:43:45,279 --> 02:43:48,560 funds left in them. Um uh there are 3178 02:43:48,560 --> 02:43:50,240 projects in varying degrees of 3179 02:43:50,240 --> 02:43:52,960 readiness. Um so if there's any 3180 02:43:52,960 --> 02:43:55,680 intention to uh you know pause those 3181 02:43:55,680 --> 02:43:57,840 projects or not start any new projects I 3182 02:43:57,840 --> 02:43:59,920 think that I would appreciate a 3183 02:43:59,920 --> 02:44:03,760 deliberate direction in that regard. 3184 02:44:03,760 --> 02:44:07,359 >> Thank you Mr. Smith. Oh, 3185 02:44:07,359 --> 02:44:08,640 well, [clears throat] 3186 02:44:08,640 --> 02:44:11,200 I'll go to Mr. Smith. Sorry, Mr. Smith. 3187 02:44:11,200 --> 02:44:11,840 Go ahead. 3188 02:44:11,840 --> 02:44:14,800 >> Thank you, Madam Chair. um you know 3189 02:44:14,800 --> 02:44:18,160 looking at the CI CIP report for or you 3190 02:44:18,160 --> 02:44:22,800 know the CIP for for this project I uh I 3191 02:44:22,800 --> 02:44:25,120 don't know if it's a hybrid of a red 3192 02:44:25,120 --> 02:44:28,640 herring with a boogeyman but um I will 3193 02:44:28,640 --> 02:44:32,000 move that we pause 3194 02:44:32,000 --> 02:44:34,479 any action related to the waterfront uh 3195 02:44:34,479 --> 02:44:36,560 city museum 3196 02:44:36,560 --> 02:44:40,160 and ask unanimous consent. 3197 02:44:40,160 --> 02:44:45,349 Any objections? 3198 02:44:45,359 --> 02:44:48,000 » Go ahead, Madam Mayor. 3199 02:44:48,000 --> 02:44:49,840 >> I appreciate the sentiment and I 3200 02:44:49,840 --> 02:44:51,439 actually probably agree with it, but at 3201 02:44:51,439 --> 02:44:53,120 this time I don't think I'm ready to do 3202 02:44:53,120 --> 02:44:55,359 one-time projects without getting more 3203 02:44:55,359 --> 02:44:57,920 information on all of them. So, I'll 3204 02:44:57,920 --> 02:45:02,630 maintain my objection. 3205 02:45:02,640 --> 02:45:05,520 » All right. Um, any other objections or 3206 02:45:05,520 --> 02:45:08,319 people who want to speak to the motion? 3207 02:45:08,319 --> 02:45:09,920 Go ahead, Miss Yseandies. 3208 02:45:09,920 --> 02:45:11,680 >> I'll speak to the motion just briefly. 3209 02:45:11,680 --> 02:45:14,880 I'm gonna support it. I fully 3210 02:45:14,880 --> 02:45:17,439 am probably the same mind where Mayor 3211 02:45:17,439 --> 02:45:19,359 Weldon is coming from. The reason I'm 3212 02:45:19,359 --> 02:45:22,240 going to support it is because I would 3213 02:45:22,240 --> 02:45:26,000 be comfortable giving broad 3214 02:45:26,000 --> 02:45:28,560 guidance to staff 3215 02:45:28,560 --> 02:45:31,840 over not starting projects that I guess 3216 02:45:31,840 --> 02:45:34,080 I don't know what 3217 02:45:34,080 --> 02:45:36,240 to Mayor Weldon's point. I don't know if 3218 02:45:36,240 --> 02:45:38,080 anything's going on with the waterfront 3219 02:45:38,080 --> 02:45:41,279 museum. So maybe I'll interrupt myself 3220 02:45:41,279 --> 02:45:43,520 and ask staff is anything going on with 3221 02:45:43,520 --> 02:45:46,880 the waterfront museum? 3222 02:45:46,880 --> 02:45:48,880 No, it would be career suicide for me to 3223 02:45:48,880 --> 02:45:50,399 start that project without a discussion 3224 02:45:50,399 --> 02:45:51,840 with the assembly first. 3225 02:45:51,840 --> 02:45:54,640 >> Perfect. I do not want to assume. I did 3226 02:45:54,640 --> 02:45:58,399 assume. Okay. So, I feel okay saying I 3227 02:45:58,399 --> 02:45:59,680 there's nothing going on with the 3228 02:45:59,680 --> 02:46:01,680 waterfront museum. It would be career 3229 02:46:01,680 --> 02:46:04,240 suicide for our wonderful manager. So, I 3230 02:46:04,240 --> 02:46:06,399 feel comfortable with that direction and 3231 02:46:06,399 --> 02:46:08,640 I will move to give broader direction 3232 02:46:08,640 --> 02:46:11,359 after this. 3233 02:46:11,359 --> 02:46:13,760 >> So, you're not objecting? 3234 02:46:13,760 --> 02:46:16,880 >> Okay. Yeah. Sorry. 3235 02:46:16,880 --> 02:46:19,840 All right, we have a motion and we have 3236 02:46:19,840 --> 02:46:23,200 objection. Any other comments? 3237 02:46:23,200 --> 02:46:26,720 Um, I'll just just so the body knows 3238 02:46:26,720 --> 02:46:29,279 where I'm at. I I I'll also support this 3239 02:46:29,279 --> 02:46:31,040 just because it feels like a no-brainer, 3240 02:46:31,040 --> 02:46:34,240 but in general, I'm won't be ready to 3241 02:46:34,240 --> 02:46:36,880 make any other pausing decisions 3242 02:46:36,880 --> 02:46:40,240 immediately, but we may have other ones 3243 02:46:40,240 --> 02:46:42,399 um given some broad direction that we 3244 02:46:42,399 --> 02:46:45,040 want to give tonight. Okay. 3245 02:46:45,040 --> 02:46:52,389 Go ahead, Mr. Brooks. 3246 02:46:52,399 --> 02:46:53,920 Uh, 3247 02:46:53,920 --> 02:46:57,279 I wonder if it is the will of the body 3248 02:46:57,279 --> 02:47:01,110 to consider 3249 02:47:01,120 --> 02:47:04,640 any more of the unrestricted funds 3250 02:47:04,640 --> 02:47:07,279 within the CIP for the capital civic 3251 02:47:07,279 --> 02:47:19,040 center or when it comes to uh the estimated uh costs related to the 3252 02:47:19,040 --> 02:47:21,840 renovations of the Burns building may be 3253 02:47:21,840 --> 02:47:26,870 directing staff to seek 3254 02:47:26,880 --> 02:47:32,080 uh secondhand or state surplus as a temp 3255 02:47:32,080 --> 02:47:34,720 makeup while we navigate the hard 3256 02:47:34,720 --> 02:47:37,439 financial times. And uh 3257 02:47:37,439 --> 02:47:40,080 >> Mr. Brooks, not to interrupt you, 3258 02:47:40,080 --> 02:47:42,240 >> we've got a motion on the floor about 3259 02:47:42,240 --> 02:47:45,520 the um specifically the waterfront 3260 02:47:45,520 --> 02:47:47,520 museum. So if you want to hold comments 3261 02:47:47,520 --> 02:47:51,359 on other topics till that we've mo voted 3262 02:47:51,359 --> 02:47:53,520 on that. 3263 02:47:53,520 --> 02:47:57,040 >> I I was just asking if if if anyone want 3264 02:47:57,040 --> 02:47:59,680 to discuss I could amend I can do an 3265 02:47:59,680 --> 02:48:02,960 amendment but we'll we'll let the 3266 02:48:02,960 --> 02:48:07,990 action uh just go through them. 3267 02:48:08,000 --> 02:48:09,520 » Can still make those other motions 3268 02:48:09,520 --> 02:48:11,680 afterwards. We'll just keep it simple to 3269 02:48:11,680 --> 02:48:14,720 the one project. Okay. We have Madame 3270 02:48:14,720 --> 02:48:16,399 Mayor. Go ahead. 3271 02:48:16,399 --> 02:48:18,560 >> Since no one speaking up to object, I 3272 02:48:18,560 --> 02:48:21,920 will uh with draw my objection except 3273 02:48:21,920 --> 02:48:24,479 for I could tell Mr. Brooks was looking 3274 02:48:24,479 --> 02:48:27,680 for um direction. I could tell you right 3275 02:48:27,680 --> 02:48:29,920 now again I am not ready to cut anything 3276 02:48:29,920 --> 02:48:32,399 more. 3277 02:48:32,399 --> 02:48:35,040 >> All right. So 3278 02:48:35,040 --> 02:48:40,720 we have a motion with no objection 3279 02:48:40,720 --> 02:48:43,920 and so that is so moved. 3280 02:48:43,920 --> 02:48:47,840 Miss Hugh Gandies, did you want to make 3281 02:48:47,840 --> 02:48:49,600 motion? Was that what you were 3282 02:48:49,600 --> 02:48:51,200 indicating? 3283 02:48:51,200 --> 02:48:53,840 >> Uh, thank you, Madam Chair. I'm 3284 02:48:53,840 --> 02:48:56,560 struggling to think. I would like to 3285 02:48:56,560 --> 02:48:57,439 >> take an addies. I 3286 02:48:57,439 --> 02:54:15,030 >> I'll Yeah, I'll take an ease. 3287 02:54:15,040 --> 02:54:17,120 Miss you scandies. Thank you madam chair 3288 02:54:17,120 --> 02:54:20,560 for your indulgence and the at ease. I 3289 02:54:20,560 --> 02:54:23,680 am much in the same vein that I think it 3290 02:54:23,680 --> 02:54:26,479 was beneficial for this body and 3291 02:54:26,479 --> 02:54:28,640 hopefully beneficial for staff with the 3292 02:54:28,640 --> 02:54:34,479 first item to um verbalize some feedback 3293 02:54:34,479 --> 02:54:38,080 on uh like we did on operating. I am 3294 02:54:38,080 --> 02:54:41,279 just wanted to I think at this time I am 3295 02:54:41,279 --> 02:54:45,200 not going to make a motion because it's 3296 02:54:45,200 --> 02:54:47,520 my belief that if we ask staff to bring 3297 02:54:47,520 --> 02:54:50,880 back a specific list 3298 02:54:50,880 --> 02:54:53,359 much like this 3299 02:54:53,359 --> 02:54:56,880 only for projects again we might be 3300 02:54:56,880 --> 02:55:00,800 going down FY26 rabbit holes when we 3301 02:55:00,800 --> 02:55:03,359 need to be going it's our job to be 3302 02:55:03,359 --> 02:55:06,640 going a little bit higher. Um, I think 3303 02:55:06,640 --> 02:55:08,399 some people have already verbalized that 3304 02:55:08,399 --> 02:55:10,399 they're not comfortable making decisions 3305 02:55:10,399 --> 02:55:12,319 without knowing more about what that 3306 02:55:12,319 --> 02:55:14,319 particular project is at, which makes 3307 02:55:14,319 --> 02:55:17,600 sense to me. Um, there's a couple that 3308 02:55:17,600 --> 02:55:19,279 are 3309 02:55:19,279 --> 02:55:23,040 popped out in this memo tonight. Um, 3310 02:55:23,040 --> 02:55:26,720 which I think are those ones that I I 3311 02:55:26,720 --> 02:55:29,520 appreciate that staff has identified as, 3312 02:55:29,520 --> 02:55:32,000 you know, these are project these are 3313 02:55:32,000 --> 02:55:33,680 firmly in the project category. These 3314 02:55:33,680 --> 02:55:36,240 are things that it might be good to get 3315 02:55:36,240 --> 02:55:40,070 direction on. 3316 02:55:40,080 --> 02:55:46,319 I think there is not one motion that 3317 02:55:46,319 --> 02:55:49,920 um sufficiently 3318 02:55:49,920 --> 02:55:52,399 leaves room for that process to happen, 3319 02:55:52,399 --> 02:55:57,920 keeps us out of rabbit holes um and does 3320 02:55:57,920 --> 02:56:00,080 what I intend to do after talking with 3321 02:56:00,080 --> 02:56:01,680 staff. 3322 02:56:01,680 --> 02:56:03,760 So much [clears throat] in the same vein 3323 02:56:03,760 --> 02:56:06,800 as trust, we sort of codified some of 3324 02:56:06,800 --> 02:56:08,640 Mr. Steininger's comments and Mr. 3325 02:56:08,640 --> 02:56:10,960 Smith's motion earlier. 3326 02:56:10,960 --> 02:56:13,279 am not going to attempt to do that, but 3327 02:56:13,279 --> 02:56:17,200 I it is my hope and belief that the city 3328 02:56:17,200 --> 02:56:20,720 manager and staff are 3329 02:56:20,720 --> 02:56:23,600 looking at all of those projects and 3330 02:56:23,600 --> 02:56:26,720 identifying which of those have not 3331 02:56:26,720 --> 02:56:30,080 started and are likely to run into 3332 02:56:30,080 --> 02:56:32,880 financial problems in this new fiscal 3333 02:56:32,880 --> 02:56:35,520 environment in FY27 3334 02:56:35,520 --> 02:56:38,960 and make due diligent 3335 02:56:38,960 --> 02:56:43,520 uh decisions. s there while we in start 3336 02:56:43,520 --> 02:56:46,479 this process and we engage the public. 3337 02:56:46,479 --> 02:56:49,040 Um, and then I will just briefly say 3338 02:56:49,040 --> 02:56:52,000 because Eagle Crest is an hour memo and 3339 02:56:52,000 --> 02:56:55,200 because I did have the uh pleasure of 3340 02:56:55,200 --> 02:56:57,600 being involved in a Eaglerest meeting 3341 02:56:57,600 --> 02:57:00,399 today with some staff that [snorts] I 3342 02:57:00,399 --> 02:57:02,880 want to identify that personally to this 3343 02:57:02,880 --> 02:57:05,439 body that based on the most recent 3344 02:57:05,439 --> 02:57:08,960 information that I have, I do think 3345 02:57:08,960 --> 02:57:10,640 there 3346 02:57:10,640 --> 02:57:13,359 when we get again it's one of those 3347 02:57:13,359 --> 02:57:15,840 things we may not get all the way to the 3348 02:57:15,840 --> 02:57:19,359 calendar start of fiscal year 27 and we 3349 02:57:19,359 --> 02:57:22,960 may get new information that makes us 3350 02:57:22,960 --> 02:57:26,319 stop a project and that might occur in 3351 02:57:26,319 --> 02:57:28,080 FY26 3352 02:57:28,080 --> 02:57:30,560 but that will depend on the natural flow 3353 02:57:30,560 --> 02:57:33,200 of when we receive certain fiscal 3354 02:57:33,200 --> 02:57:35,840 information. Um so I just want to 3355 02:57:35,840 --> 02:57:38,000 highlight that is one for instance I 3356 02:57:38,000 --> 02:57:40,560 have deep concerns about in this new 3357 02:57:40,560 --> 02:57:44,160 fiscal environment. So 3358 02:57:44,160 --> 02:57:46,080 trying to articulate it. Apologize. 3359 02:57:46,080 --> 02:57:47,520 Thank you for letting me ramble. But I 3360 02:57:47,520 --> 02:57:50,800 think that um much like the operating I 3361 02:57:50,800 --> 02:57:53,920 will trust that it is the manager's jobs 3362 02:57:53,920 --> 02:57:57,040 to know which of those 3363 02:57:57,040 --> 02:58:00,399 projects we would not want to start or 3364 02:58:00,399 --> 02:58:02,800 put fiscal resources into. And I'll 3365 02:58:02,800 --> 02:58:04,640 stop. 3366 02:58:04,640 --> 02:58:08,230 >> Mr. Kelly, 3367 02:58:08,240 --> 02:58:10,560 » thank thank you. So, um, are we ready 3368 02:58:10,560 --> 02:58:12,880 for another discussion item or another 3369 02:58:12,880 --> 02:58:17,269 motion or 3370 02:58:17,279 --> 02:58:20,000 » um, sorry, you want to make a motion or 3371 02:58:20,000 --> 02:58:22,880 you are making a discussion point? 3372 02:58:22,880 --> 02:58:25,200 >> Um, I I think I was going to start with 3373 02:58:25,200 --> 02:58:27,439 a discussion and see where see if maybe 3374 02:58:27,439 --> 02:58:29,200 it's more efficient to go as a motion. 3375 02:58:29,200 --> 02:58:33,429 Um 3376 02:58:33,439 --> 02:58:36,160 » um 3377 02:58:36,160 --> 02:58:38,240 I would say either if you want to make a 3378 02:58:38,240 --> 02:58:40,319 comment to the body, go ahead and do 3379 02:58:40,319 --> 02:58:42,640 that or make a motion as opposed to 3380 02:58:42,640 --> 02:58:44,640 begin a discussion right now. Does that 3381 02:58:44,640 --> 02:58:47,279 is that helpful? And you can take a I 3382 02:58:47,279 --> 02:58:48,560 can move on to someone if you're not 3383 02:58:48,560 --> 02:58:49,359 quite ready for that. 3384 02:58:49,359 --> 02:58:52,160 >> No, no, no. Um I think I'm ready. I I'll 3385 02:58:52,160 --> 02:58:54,000 just 3386 02:58:54,000 --> 02:58:56,479 I'll go ahead and and make my motion. 3387 02:58:56,479 --> 02:59:04,309 Um, I would move that uh we take up um 3388 02:59:04,319 --> 02:59:08,000 discussion on 3389 02:59:08,000 --> 02:59:10,479 grants as it pertains to the affordable 3390 02:59:10,479 --> 02:59:12,479 housing fund and if we still want to 3391 02:59:12,479 --> 02:59:14,560 continue to issue grants uh that we take 3392 02:59:14,560 --> 02:59:17,520 up that discussion at a future um 3393 02:59:17,520 --> 02:59:19,920 finance committee meeting and I can 3394 02:59:19,920 --> 02:59:25,520 speak to my motion if Okay. Um so in in 3395 02:59:25,520 --> 02:59:28,800 lands committee uh earlier this week um 3396 02:59:28,800 --> 02:59:32,960 we um forwarded on to the assembly 3397 02:59:32,960 --> 02:59:36,960 um about $2.3 million uh worth of 3398 02:59:36,960 --> 02:59:40,479 affordable uh housing projects. More 3399 02:59:40,479 --> 02:59:44,080 than half of those are are grants to to 3400 02:59:44,080 --> 02:59:45,840 nonprofits. 3401 02:59:45,840 --> 02:59:49,920 Um and and I see um I I there definitely 3402 02:59:49,920 --> 02:59:52,319 um a need that's being met uh by these 3403 02:59:52,319 --> 02:59:54,160 nonprofits and there's a reason why it's 3404 02:59:54,160 --> 02:59:56,640 better for them to uh to receive these 3405 02:59:56,640 --> 03:00:00,800 as as grants. Um but that also means 3406 03:00:00,800 --> 03:00:02,640 that's money that's not coming back into 3407 03:00:02,640 --> 03:00:04,640 the fund to be used for future projects. 3408 03:00:04,640 --> 03:00:06,080 And considering that a part of the 3409 03:00:06,080 --> 03:00:09,359 affordable housing fund is is funded 3410 03:00:09,359 --> 03:00:13,200 through uh through sales tax revenue, um 3411 03:00:13,200 --> 03:00:17,040 I I I think it's uh important at least 3412 03:00:17,040 --> 03:00:21,120 um to to consider um maybe a temporary 3413 03:00:21,120 --> 03:00:23,920 moratorium on grants um being 3414 03:00:23,920 --> 03:00:26,000 distributed from the affordable housing 3415 03:00:26,000 --> 03:00:29,200 fund um for for future rounds, not for 3416 03:00:29,200 --> 03:00:31,920 round five that were 3417 03:00:31,920 --> 03:00:33,760 um forwarded to the assembly this year, 3418 03:00:33,760 --> 03:00:36,160 but for for future rounds if we uh want 3419 03:00:36,160 --> 03:00:41,120 to as a practice um just focus on 3420 03:00:41,120 --> 03:00:43,359 issuing loans that would eventually come 3421 03:00:43,359 --> 03:00:46,560 back um and fund future projects. 3422 03:00:46,560 --> 03:00:49,040 >> Mr. Kelly, I think we are still on the 3423 03:00:49,040 --> 03:00:52,160 discussion topic of FY26. And so if you 3424 03:00:52,160 --> 03:00:54,960 are not making a motion to change the 3425 03:00:54,960 --> 03:00:59,030 affordable housing fund 3426 03:00:59,040 --> 03:01:01,200 amount that we're that you've already 3427 03:01:01,200 --> 03:01:03,439 for that has been forwarded to the 3428 03:01:03,439 --> 03:01:06,960 assembly, I would hold that for another 3429 03:01:06,960 --> 03:01:11,600 um committee or um different spot in the 3430 03:01:11,600 --> 03:01:14,319 budget process for next year. 3431 03:01:14,319 --> 03:01:15,760 >> Thank you, Madam Chair. With that, I'll 3432 03:01:15,760 --> 03:01:19,040 withdraw my motion. 3433 03:01:19,040 --> 03:01:21,760 >> Mayor, well done. Uh, thank you, Madam 3434 03:01:21,760 --> 03:01:23,040 Chair. And I would give the same 3435 03:01:23,040 --> 03:01:24,720 direction to Mr. Kelly if he's talking 3436 03:01:24,720 --> 03:01:26,240 about this year. It's already moved to 3437 03:01:26,240 --> 03:01:28,160 the assembly, so we'll discuss it there. 3438 03:01:28,160 --> 03:01:32,240 Um, but um I don't want to make a formal 3439 03:01:32,240 --> 03:01:33,760 motion because I think we've had enough 3440 03:01:33,760 --> 03:01:35,760 on this particular topic, but I would 3441 03:01:35,760 --> 03:01:38,000 just let staff know that I would be 3442 03:01:38,000 --> 03:01:41,600 looking for information on any project 3443 03:01:41,600 --> 03:01:46,479 um FY26, FY27 that they think are new, 3444 03:01:46,479 --> 03:01:50,800 don't think it's got traction, something to that effect. so we could be 3445 03:01:50,800 --> 03:01:58,070 considering it. Um, that's all I have. 3446 03:01:58,080 --> 03:02:01,439 » Mr. Brooks, 3447 03:02:01,439 --> 03:02:04,399 >> thank you, Madam Chair. And just tagging 3448 03:02:04,399 --> 03:02:07,359 on to what the mayor was saying there a 3449 03:02:07,359 --> 03:02:12,640 bit, uh, looking at projects that, uh, 3450 03:02:12,640 --> 03:02:15,680 haven't had, uh, progress in long 3451 03:02:15,680 --> 03:02:21,120 periods of times like you're saying, not appearing to have momentum or have 3452 03:02:21,120 --> 03:02:25,200 been stagnated a little bit. 3453 03:02:25,200 --> 03:02:27,920 >> Staff, do you I feel like we're kind of 3454 03:02:27,920 --> 03:02:31,200 in consensus on those general comments. 3455 03:02:31,200 --> 03:02:33,520 You guys feel good with that direction 3456 03:02:33,520 --> 03:02:36,640 without emotion? Great. 3457 03:02:36,640 --> 03:02:38,560 Okay, 3458 03:02:38,560 --> 03:02:40,640 so we have not made it through this 3459 03:02:40,640 --> 03:02:42,640 memo, which is okay. We knew this would 3460 03:02:42,640 --> 03:02:47,279 be a while. Um it is 8:30. 3461 03:02:47,279 --> 03:02:51,269 Um 3462 03:02:51,279 --> 03:02:53,996 and we have um an executive 3463 03:02:53,996 --> 03:02:57,600 [clears throat] session that um we do 3464 03:02:57,600 --> 03:03:02,720 need to get to. So, um, my proposal 3465 03:03:02,720 --> 03:03:05,279 would be, but but I'll look to the body 3466 03:03:05,279 --> 03:03:07,920 is that we either spend some time 3467 03:03:07,920 --> 03:03:10,960 talking about FY27, 3468 03:03:10,960 --> 03:03:14,000 um, for about a half hour before 3469 03:03:14,000 --> 03:03:18,399 executive session or we take a tackle an 3470 03:03:18,399 --> 03:03:20,000 easier 3471 03:03:20,000 --> 03:03:23,359 um, topic and just do some question and 3472 03:03:23,359 --> 03:03:25,359 answer about foregone revenue, which was 3473 03:03:25,359 --> 03:03:30,160 the next agenda item. Um, 3474 03:03:30,160 --> 03:03:34,240 and maybe staff will have an opinion on 3475 03:03:34,240 --> 03:03:36,160 where they want our attention right now. 3476 03:03:36,160 --> 03:03:38,560 But that would be my question to the 3477 03:03:38,560 --> 03:03:40,720 body. Are you okay tackling one more? 3478 03:03:40,720 --> 03:03:42,160 And do you want it to be talking about 3479 03:03:42,160 --> 03:03:44,080 next year's budget process or do you 3480 03:03:44,080 --> 03:03:49,269 want to talk about foreground revenue? 3481 03:03:49,279 --> 03:03:50,800 » Miss Hugh Scandies. 3482 03:03:50,800 --> 03:03:53,439 >> Thanks, Madam Chair. I would prefer to 3483 03:03:53,439 --> 03:03:55,840 spend a little time talking about FY27 3484 03:03:55,840 --> 03:03:58,479 just so we could start to outline that 3485 03:03:58,479 --> 03:04:02,560 process what that will look like. 3486 03:04:02,560 --> 03:04:05,040 >> Mr. Smith. 3487 03:04:05,040 --> 03:04:08,080 >> Thank you, Madame Chair. I I I agree. I 3488 03:04:08,080 --> 03:04:10,800 mean, there was a question I the staff 3489 03:04:10,800 --> 03:04:12,960 may want questions or want a response on 3490 03:04:12,960 --> 03:04:14,720 in terms of, you know, public 3491 03:04:14,720 --> 03:04:20,319 engagement. Um I have an idea for the um 3492 03:04:20,319 --> 03:04:21,840 foregone revenue that I could bring up 3493 03:04:21,840 --> 03:04:25,040 but I mean just to foreshadow I I wonder 3494 03:04:25,040 --> 03:04:28,080 you know in the past we've done a te a 3495 03:04:28,080 --> 03:04:31,120 group of three assembly members um who 3496 03:04:31,120 --> 03:04:33,279 tackle some tricky subjects like 3497 03:04:33,279 --> 03:04:35,600 foregone revenue or complex subjects 3498 03:04:35,600 --> 03:04:38,160 where if the whole body was working on 3499 03:04:38,160 --> 03:04:41,359 it could be painful for everyone um and 3500 03:04:41,359 --> 03:04:44,640 they can work you know more nimly 3501 03:04:44,640 --> 03:04:49,600 come up with some recommendations. They work with staff, you know, not in 3502 03:04:49,600 --> 03:04:51,279 viol obviously that in with that number 3503 03:04:51,279 --> 03:04:52,720 of people not in violation of open 3504 03:04:52,720 --> 03:04:55,279 meetings act and then come back to us um 3505 03:04:55,279 --> 03:04:57,680 or come back to the body with some 3506 03:04:57,680 --> 03:05:01,439 having kind of run it through. So that would be a possible suggestion but 3507 03:05:01,439 --> 03:05:05,040 um sorry my my thought would be FY27 and 3508 03:05:05,040 --> 03:05:08,160 maybe that for foregone. Thanks. 3509 03:05:08,160 --> 03:05:11,040 >> Making sure folks have energy for a 3510 03:05:11,040 --> 03:05:14,240 little bit more discussion on FY27. 3511 03:05:14,240 --> 03:05:16,160 Go ahead, Mr. Senator. 3512 03:05:16,160 --> 03:05:18,100 >> Wanted to make sure there wasn't because 3513 03:05:18,100 --> 03:05:19,920 [clears throat] I I agree with everybody 3514 03:05:19,920 --> 03:05:22,640 FY27 and talking about the process and 3515 03:05:22,640 --> 03:05:24,479 especially the public process makes most 3516 03:05:24,479 --> 03:05:26,319 sense right now. But I wanted to make 3517 03:05:26,319 --> 03:05:29,600 sure that staff that we're not delaying 3518 03:05:29,600 --> 03:05:31,439 any potential action on the foregone 3519 03:05:31,439 --> 03:05:33,520 revenue and stalling that process 3520 03:05:33,520 --> 03:05:34,880 because it's been something I've been 3521 03:05:34,880 --> 03:05:36,880 looking forward to talking about for 3522 03:05:36,880 --> 03:05:38,240 quite a while. So 3523 03:05:38,240 --> 03:05:40,479 >> as as Mr. Stunning. As exciting as 3524 03:05:40,479 --> 03:05:42,880 foregone revenue and docking fees are, I 3525 03:05:42,880 --> 03:05:44,560 don't think there's any harm in moving 3526 03:05:44,560 --> 03:05:49,760 those to a future AFC meeting. 3527 03:05:49,760 --> 03:05:53,359 All right, let's do another half hour 3528 03:05:53,359 --> 03:05:57,200 and then we'll um you know at max and 3529 03:05:57,200 --> 03:05:59,520 then we'll get a break before our 3530 03:05:59,520 --> 03:06:01,840 executive session. 3531 03:06:01,840 --> 03:06:03,760 All right, 3532 03:06:03,760 --> 03:06:08,240 Miss Flick, I will um assume you all 3533 03:06:08,240 --> 03:06:11,760 have labored intently over this terribly 3534 03:06:11,760 --> 03:06:14,080 long memo and just cover some highlights 3535 03:06:14,080 --> 03:06:15,920 on FI27. 3536 03:06:15,920 --> 03:06:19,120 Um you all have already discussed that 3537 03:06:19,120 --> 03:06:22,000 we have got um a long and hard set of 3538 03:06:22,000 --> 03:06:24,000 discussion and decisions to make 3539 03:06:24,000 --> 03:06:26,720 upcoming. Um there's a lot of things 3540 03:06:26,720 --> 03:06:30,160 that um we can do to help with that 3541 03:06:30,160 --> 03:06:32,240 decision making. Um one of the big 3542 03:06:32,240 --> 03:06:33,920 questions is you know how big is the 3543 03:06:33,920 --> 03:06:36,640 hole we need to fill. So on the chart in 3544 03:06:36,640 --> 03:06:39,200 the middle of page 27 I've highlighted 3545 03:06:39,200 --> 03:06:41,439 the three revenue decreases um that 3546 03:06:41,439 --> 03:06:43,520 we've already talked about. Again those 3547 03:06:43,520 --> 03:06:47,359 are annualized numbers. So that is um 3548 03:06:47,359 --> 03:06:49,680 assuming that no cuts are made to 27 or 3549 03:06:49,680 --> 03:06:52,479 making or sorry no cuts are made to 26. 3550 03:06:52,479 --> 03:06:55,120 All cuts are made in 27 would be the $11 3551 03:06:55,120 --> 03:06:57,760 million in sales tax and roughly a 3552 03:06:57,760 --> 03:07:00,160 million dollars in property tax. In 3553 03:07:00,160 --> 03:07:01,920 addition to that revenue loss, we know 3554 03:07:01,920 --> 03:07:03,439 that we are going to have expenditure 3555 03:07:03,439 --> 03:07:06,800 increases. The negotiated um contract 3556 03:07:06,800 --> 03:07:09,840 with MIBA has a built-in um increase for 3557 03:07:09,840 --> 03:07:15,520 wages in 27. Um we know that um IFFF and 3558 03:07:15,520 --> 03:07:18,000 PSA contracts once they are finally 3559 03:07:18,000 --> 03:07:21,279 negotiated will have an increase. um 3560 03:07:21,279 --> 03:07:23,279 we're putting that number at 2.5 million 3561 03:07:23,279 --> 03:07:25,760 which is kind of a 25 26 combination 3562 03:07:25,760 --> 03:07:27,920 number. We also know that there are 3563 03:07:27,920 --> 03:07:30,800 other things that we need to budget on 3564 03:07:30,800 --> 03:07:34,880 an ongoing recurring basis due to our 3565 03:07:34,880 --> 03:07:38,960 new love of glacial flooding outburst 3566 03:07:38,960 --> 03:07:42,640 things. So, um we know that we're we're 3567 03:07:42,640 --> 03:07:46,399 doing an annual um emergency operation 3568 03:07:46,399 --> 03:07:49,600 and we need to put funding um aside to 3569 03:07:49,600 --> 03:07:51,840 handle those staff costs and those u 3570 03:07:51,840 --> 03:07:54,319 minimally related cl costs that we would 3571 03:07:54,319 --> 03:07:56,960 expect to experience every year. Um, we 3572 03:07:56,960 --> 03:07:58,560 know that there's ongoing just flood 3573 03:07:58,560 --> 03:08:01,040 mitigation staff work, whether that's 3574 03:08:01,040 --> 03:08:03,760 working with the Army Corps or um, 3575 03:08:03,760 --> 03:08:05,279 working with residents, other things 3576 03:08:05,279 --> 03:08:07,359 that are going on. And we know now that 3577 03:08:07,359 --> 03:08:09,359 we have these Hescoll barriers in place 3578 03:08:09,359 --> 03:08:11,600 and we will likely have more, there's 3579 03:08:11,600 --> 03:08:12,800 ongoing maintenance that we're 3580 03:08:12,800 --> 03:08:14,640 responsible for and we need to include 3581 03:08:14,640 --> 03:08:19,920 that in our budget. So rough numbers um 3582 03:08:19,920 --> 03:08:22,160 not knowing um exactly how much we need 3583 03:08:22,160 --> 03:08:24,560 to budget as it relates to Gloth um 3584 03:08:24,560 --> 03:08:27,359 we're looking at about 16.2 million of 3585 03:08:27,359 --> 03:08:31,840 gap 11.2 million of that is operational. 3586 03:08:31,840 --> 03:08:34,080 So annually speaking that's a relatively 3587 03:08:34,080 --> 03:08:36,960 um decent number. Um we've talked about 3588 03:08:36,960 --> 03:08:39,200 um SAS recommendation of looking at um 3589 03:08:39,200 --> 03:08:42,160 service reductions and um potential 3590 03:08:42,160 --> 03:08:44,479 revenue as um kind of the primary things 3591 03:08:44,479 --> 03:08:46,560 that would be done in a public forum. 3592 03:08:46,560 --> 03:08:50,640 And um on page 31 of the packet is 3593 03:08:50,640 --> 03:08:53,439 excuse me is a service listing um whose 3594 03:08:53,439 --> 03:08:56,880 origins started with the 2019 priority 3595 03:08:56,880 --> 03:09:00,000 based budgeting exercise that was done. 3596 03:09:00,000 --> 03:09:02,800 that list has been updated to uh reflect 3597 03:09:02,800 --> 03:09:05,439 more current groupings and more current 3598 03:09:05,439 --> 03:09:09,359 services um that have been edited. Um 3599 03:09:09,359 --> 03:09:12,000 and we've grouped these into four groups 3600 03:09:12,000 --> 03:09:14,720 and the first one is core services that 3601 03:09:14,720 --> 03:09:17,840 um the city is responsible for doing. We 3602 03:09:17,840 --> 03:09:20,720 just need to do those. Um the second are 3603 03:09:20,720 --> 03:09:24,080 services that are um things that we need 3604 03:09:24,080 --> 03:09:25,840 to do but perhaps we can control the 3605 03:09:25,840 --> 03:09:29,120 level of service. So, an example is um 3606 03:09:29,120 --> 03:09:31,200 at CBJ after a snowstorm, we like to 3607 03:09:31,200 --> 03:09:33,920 have our streets cleared in 24 hours. 3608 03:09:33,920 --> 03:09:36,880 Doesn't have to be 24 hours, could be 36 3609 03:09:36,880 --> 03:09:39,680 hours or 48 hours. So, we could pick 3610 03:09:39,680 --> 03:09:43,040 that um that level of service that we 3611 03:09:43,040 --> 03:09:44,479 provide while still needing to provide 3612 03:09:44,479 --> 03:09:47,760 that service. um the group that's um 3613 03:09:47,760 --> 03:09:49,920 called number two support. Um those are 3614 03:09:49,920 --> 03:09:51,760 really all those ancillary things that 3615 03:09:51,760 --> 03:09:54,240 have to happen in order for your core 3616 03:09:54,240 --> 03:09:56,479 services or discretionary services to 3617 03:09:56,479 --> 03:10:00,399 take place. Um and then the third list 3618 03:10:00,399 --> 03:10:04,240 are all of those discretionary items. Um 3619 03:10:04,240 --> 03:10:06,960 think of those as the things that make a 3620 03:10:06,960 --> 03:10:08,880 city um the place that people want to 3621 03:10:08,880 --> 03:10:11,760 be, but not necessarily those required 3622 03:10:11,760 --> 03:10:14,960 um services. And so what we'd like to do 3623 03:10:14,960 --> 03:10:20,479 is um walk away from this discussion um 3624 03:10:20,479 --> 03:10:22,399 with kind of an agreement that we want 3625 03:10:22,399 --> 03:10:26,800 to focus our service reductions on the 3626 03:10:26,800 --> 03:10:30,080 discretionary list with some attention 3627 03:10:30,080 --> 03:10:32,399 to that core set where we can adjust the 3628 03:10:32,399 --> 03:10:34,160 level of service. So it's not a question 3629 03:10:34,160 --> 03:10:37,040 of do we do it or not, but are we good 3630 03:10:37,040 --> 03:10:38,800 taking two days to clear streets instead 3631 03:10:38,800 --> 03:10:42,319 of just one. Um and then you know with 3632 03:10:42,319 --> 03:10:45,279 our our new and fantastic communications 3633 03:10:45,279 --> 03:10:48,080 and engagement division, they're already 3634 03:10:48,080 --> 03:10:51,359 working on um some plans to engage the 3635 03:10:51,359 --> 03:10:53,359 public and and some different mechanisms 3636 03:10:53,359 --> 03:10:55,760 that we could use. And so we'd really 3637 03:10:55,760 --> 03:10:59,680 like to hear from you um your preference 3638 03:10:59,680 --> 03:11:02,800 or guidance on the structure of how that 3639 03:11:02,800 --> 03:11:04,160 looks. You know, do we want to do public 3640 03:11:04,160 --> 03:11:05,760 meetings? Do we want to use online 3641 03:11:05,760 --> 03:11:08,160 surveys? we have some online tools that 3642 03:11:08,160 --> 03:11:12,960 are available and how quickly do we want 3643 03:11:12,960 --> 03:11:16,960 that public engagement to take place. Um 3644 03:11:16,960 --> 03:11:21,279 and so with with your guidance 3645 03:11:21,279 --> 03:11:23,600 um it would be um useful to hear kind of 3646 03:11:23,600 --> 03:11:26,000 what you would like to see um within 3647 03:11:26,000 --> 03:11:29,279 that um and that I think that you know 3648 03:11:29,279 --> 03:11:31,040 as far as what we need from you tonight 3649 03:11:31,040 --> 03:11:34,319 that's probably the most timesensitive. 3650 03:11:34,319 --> 03:11:40,479 Um, as we said in the beginning, there's lots of other information and decisions to be made. Those don't 3651 03:11:40,479 --> 03:11:42,720 have to be made tonight, but in order to 3652 03:11:42,720 --> 03:11:45,040 get our um communications group really 3653 03:11:45,040 --> 03:11:47,920 working on a useful set of strategies to 3654 03:11:47,920 --> 03:11:50,560 bring back to you um for your feedback, 3655 03:11:50,560 --> 03:11:52,800 it would be good to know um kind of the 3656 03:11:52,800 --> 03:11:54,960 structure and timing um of that public 3657 03:11:54,960 --> 03:11:57,840 engagement and also if we're if we have 3658 03:11:57,840 --> 03:12:00,000 consensus on focusing on that 3659 03:12:00,000 --> 03:12:02,479 discretionary list and that kind of 1.5 3660 03:12:02,479 --> 03:12:10,309 core list. 3661 03:12:10,319 --> 03:12:14,319 going for questions. I said Mr. Kelly, 3662 03:12:14,319 --> 03:12:19,190 Miss Scandies, and Mayor Weldon. 3663 03:12:19,200 --> 03:12:22,640 » Um, thank you. Um, 3664 03:12:22,640 --> 03:12:25,200 I see some pluses and minuses with going 3665 03:12:25,200 --> 03:12:29,520 with the public uh survey route, but the 3666 03:12:29,520 --> 03:12:33,120 in particular minus might be if it's not 3667 03:12:33,120 --> 03:12:35,600 a scientifically conducted survey, if 3668 03:12:35,600 --> 03:12:38,319 it's just 3669 03:12:38,319 --> 03:12:40,399 we ask people their opinions, be happy 3670 03:12:40,399 --> 03:12:42,319 to get a few responses and it may or may 3671 03:12:42,319 --> 03:12:44,160 not be representative of the population 3672 03:12:44,160 --> 03:12:47,600 actually wants. So my question is like 3673 03:12:47,600 --> 03:12:50,319 are we if we did decide to go the survey 3674 03:12:50,319 --> 03:12:53,680 route to get this uh public input 3675 03:12:53,680 --> 03:12:58,160 uh would we be um set up to to conduct a 3676 03:12:58,160 --> 03:13:03,670 real a real representative survey? 3677 03:13:03,680 --> 03:13:05,520 » Not without an appropriation from the 3678 03:13:05,520 --> 03:13:08,080 assembly. Uh right now for example we do 3679 03:13:08,080 --> 03:13:12,160 the uh survey annually of our um 3680 03:13:12,160 --> 03:13:14,560 community for uh tourism purposes. So, 3681 03:13:14,560 --> 03:13:16,240 we asked them, you know, level of 3682 03:13:16,240 --> 03:13:18,000 tourism, all those questions, and that 3683 03:13:18,000 --> 03:13:20,240 runs us about $40,000 to have a 3684 03:13:20,240 --> 03:13:23,920 statistically significant uh survey. So, 3685 03:13:23,920 --> 03:13:25,920 um something like that, you we'd have to 3686 03:13:25,920 --> 03:13:27,439 contract out with we're talking like 3687 03:13:27,439 --> 03:13:29,120 we're talking survey monkey territory 3688 03:13:29,120 --> 03:13:31,279 here. 3689 03:13:31,279 --> 03:13:34,550 >> Thank you, 3690 03:13:34,560 --> 03:13:36,239 » Miss Hughes Candies. 3691 03:13:36,239 --> 03:13:38,720 >> Thank you, Madame Chair. I just wanted 3692 03:13:38,720 --> 03:13:42,720 to verify 1.5. You say these are 3693 03:13:42,720 --> 03:13:44,479 mandated functions of the city. However, 3694 03:13:44,479 --> 03:13:46,239 the level of service may have some 3695 03:13:46,239 --> 03:13:50,560 discretion and I feel like that is true 3696 03:13:50,560 --> 03:13:54,800 of one core services as well. Would you 3697 03:13:54,800 --> 03:13:59,349 agree? 3698 03:13:59,359 --> 03:14:02,560 » She's like, you certainly could say no, 3699 03:14:02,560 --> 03:14:04,160 I disagree with the grouping. And I just 3700 03:14:04,160 --> 03:14:06,640 want to emphasize that this did not come 3701 03:14:06,640 --> 03:14:10,399 out of um Director Flick's head. uh we 3702 03:14:10,399 --> 03:14:14,560 used it based we took these based on the tabs from priority based budgeting. 3703 03:14:14,560 --> 03:14:16,160 I wasn't here for that exercise but they 3704 03:14:16,160 --> 03:14:17,520 had labeled things that were you know 3705 03:14:17,520 --> 03:14:19,840 discretionary essential etc. So for 3706 03:14:19,840 --> 03:14:22,399 example um if you want to talk about 3707 03:14:22,399 --> 03:14:24,800 minimum staffing at JPD if you want to 3708 03:14:24,800 --> 03:14:27,120 talk about not um patrolling during the 3709 03:14:27,120 --> 03:14:29,279 night if you want to talk about um 3710 03:14:29,279 --> 03:14:31,920 changing our service levels for CCFR and 3711 03:14:31,920 --> 03:14:34,000 who we respond to you know how quick our 3712 03:14:34,000 --> 03:14:36,960 response times are to emergencies. All 3713 03:14:36,960 --> 03:14:43,359 of those things are things that you can talk about. Um, we are trying to uh 3714 03:14:43,359 --> 03:14:46,960 present you with our best proposal of 3715 03:14:46,960 --> 03:14:49,680 something that will be a use a good use 3716 03:14:49,680 --> 03:14:51,680 of your time because I have been through 3717 03:14:51,680 --> 03:14:54,160 these budget exercises before and what 3718 03:14:54,160 --> 03:14:57,840 happens is those those core services uh 3719 03:14:57,840 --> 03:14:59,920 just are are not something that the 3720 03:14:59,920 --> 03:15:02,720 public uh and eventually the governing 3721 03:15:02,720 --> 03:15:04,960 body is willing to move on. if if you 3722 03:15:04,960 --> 03:15:06,800 need to go and and that could be 3723 03:15:06,800 --> 03:15:09,680 different for this community and you may 3724 03:15:09,680 --> 03:15:12,800 need to go uh broaden this conversation. 3725 03:15:12,800 --> 03:15:15,120 It is just our attempt at trying to like 3726 03:15:15,120 --> 03:15:17,200 hone down on something that's a that's 3727 03:15:17,200 --> 03:15:19,600 manageable a manageable size 3728 03:15:19,600 --> 03:15:21,120 conversation to the public. So that 3729 03:15:21,120 --> 03:15:22,479 that's absolutely the type of feedback 3730 03:15:22,479 --> 03:15:24,000 that we're looking for. Nope, I want to 3731 03:15:24,000 --> 03:15:25,279 start at zero. And I believe the 3732 03:15:25,279 --> 03:15:27,600 priority based budgeting uh exercise 3733 03:15:27,600 --> 03:15:30,160 also started with like all the e all the 3734 03:15:30,160 --> 03:15:32,000 services and the feedback that I heard 3735 03:15:32,000 --> 03:15:33,520 and I don't know if you were here uh 3736 03:15:33,520 --> 03:15:35,680 deputy manager bar was that like a lot 3737 03:15:35,680 --> 03:15:37,120 of [snorts] time was spent saying yeah 3738 03:15:37,120 --> 03:15:38,640 these are essential services and we're 3739 03:15:38,640 --> 03:15:40,880 going to do them and that's time that 3740 03:15:40,880 --> 03:15:43,520 you know you're not talking about um 3741 03:15:43,520 --> 03:15:45,840 other nuances and other things. So that 3742 03:15:45,840 --> 03:15:47,760 is why we presented it to you in this 3743 03:15:47,760 --> 03:15:49,680 way. It is does not need to be how you 3744 03:15:49,680 --> 03:15:50,880 approach it but that's kind of our 3745 03:15:50,880 --> 03:15:53,040 justification. I appreciate that 3746 03:15:53,040 --> 03:15:54,880 justification and I did have the 3747 03:15:54,880 --> 03:15:56,800 pleasure of being here with the card 3748 03:15:56,800 --> 03:16:01,200 exercise when we did this before. 3749 03:16:01,200 --> 03:16:03,680 >> Mayor Welen. 3750 03:16:03,680 --> 03:16:07,359 >> Um, so hearing that lovely price tag for 3751 03:16:07,359 --> 03:16:09,680 the survey, I would say we do a 3752 03:16:09,680 --> 03:16:12,319 combination of I don't know if we still 3753 03:16:12,319 --> 03:16:14,720 can doing something online with the 3754 03:16:14,720 --> 03:16:16,800 budget tool that we did in the past with 3755 03:16:16,800 --> 03:16:19,279 Mr. Rogers and I think we should have 3756 03:16:19,279 --> 03:16:21,040 some 3757 03:16:21,040 --> 03:16:24,479 um open forum things. I don't know if we 3758 03:16:24,479 --> 03:16:27,760 want to get out the cards but um it was 3759 03:16:27,760 --> 03:16:30,239 interesting because um I when I had the 3760 03:16:30,239 --> 03:16:33,279 cards I gave them to you know 10 of my 3761 03:16:33,279 --> 03:16:34,800 friends just to see what they said and 3762 03:16:34,800 --> 03:16:36,479 it was very interesting to see that 3763 03:16:36,479 --> 03:16:39,040 nobody was the same. So, but it would be 3764 03:16:39,040 --> 03:16:41,439 interesting to see the um what the 3765 03:16:41,439 --> 03:16:43,920 public um we need to involve the public 3766 03:16:43,920 --> 03:16:46,239 because I don't um 3767 03:16:46,239 --> 03:16:48,880 >> Mayor Walden, do you have a question? 3768 03:16:48,880 --> 03:16:50,560 >> Yes. 3769 03:16:50,560 --> 03:16:52,000 >> I thought we were giving direction to 3770 03:16:52,000 --> 03:16:53,680 them. Sorry. 3771 03:16:53,680 --> 03:16:55,840 >> I think we were asking questions still. 3772 03:16:55,840 --> 03:16:58,319 I didn't 3773 03:16:58,319 --> 03:17:00,720 >> So, I will bring you to a question. Let 3774 03:17:00,720 --> 03:17:04,560 me think about this for a second. 3775 03:17:04,560 --> 03:17:06,399 What other tools can we use to get it 3776 03:17:06,399 --> 03:17:09,120 out to the public before open forum and 3777 03:17:09,120 --> 03:17:23,750 budget [laughter] tools? 3778 03:17:23,760 --> 03:17:26,640 » Um, Madame Mayor, there's, you know, 3779 03:17:26,640 --> 03:17:28,319 obviously we can do in-person town 3780 03:17:28,319 --> 03:17:31,359 halls. We can, um, do a survey monkey. 3781 03:17:31,359 --> 03:17:33,120 you can do the statistically um 3782 03:17:33,120 --> 03:17:36,000 significant survey um within the the 3783 03:17:36,000 --> 03:17:40,399 budget tool um that we currently have. 3784 03:17:40,399 --> 03:17:42,960 There's an online platform where 3785 03:17:42,960 --> 03:17:46,399 residents can um log in and actually 3786 03:17:46,399 --> 03:17:51,040 provide feedback. Um so I think 3787 03:17:51,040 --> 03:17:52,560 I don't want to say the sky's is the 3788 03:17:52,560 --> 03:17:54,800 limit um because certainly that's not 3789 03:17:54,800 --> 03:17:58,000 true. Um, but I think there's a a lot of 3790 03:17:58,000 --> 03:17:59,600 creativity 3791 03:17:59,600 --> 03:18:04,080 um that can that can go in in our um you 3792 03:18:04,080 --> 03:18:06,399 know in our tools that we would 3793 03:18:06,399 --> 03:18:08,640 regularly have and certainly our 3794 03:18:08,640 --> 03:18:10,560 communications team is incredibly 3795 03:18:10,560 --> 03:18:13,920 creative and can you know help help 3796 03:18:13,920 --> 03:18:16,000 guide that and bring back some some good 3797 03:18:16,000 --> 03:18:20,630 ideas for you. 3798 03:18:20,640 --> 03:18:22,000 » Miss Hall, did you have a question or 3799 03:18:22,000 --> 03:18:23,840 are you going to hold for comment time? 3800 03:18:23,840 --> 03:18:25,680 Okay, Mr. Steiner, did you have a 3801 03:18:25,680 --> 03:18:26,239 question? 3802 03:18:26,239 --> 03:18:28,880 >> Um, I had a comment, but I figured out a 3803 03:18:28,880 --> 03:18:31,312 way to turn it into a question. 3804 03:18:31,312 --> 03:18:32,720 [laughter] 3805 03:18:32,720 --> 03:18:35,760 Um, Miss Hugh Scandies was asking about 3806 03:18:35,760 --> 03:18:39,279 number one core versus 1.5. And I've 3807 03:18:39,279 --> 03:18:41,760 been kind of struggling with how we how 3808 03:18:41,760 --> 03:18:43,279 we go about having this conversation 3809 03:18:43,279 --> 03:18:45,760 with the public and not wanting to, you 3810 03:18:45,760 --> 03:18:47,520 know, waste time asking them questions 3811 03:18:47,520 --> 03:18:49,600 about things that we know we're not 3812 03:18:49,600 --> 03:18:51,680 going to cut or can't cut. like you know 3813 03:18:51,680 --> 03:18:53,920 you can't eliminate the assessor's 3814 03:18:53,920 --> 03:18:56,720 office you know that as much as maybe 3815 03:18:56,720 --> 03:18:58,720 some constituents might want us to you 3816 03:18:58,720 --> 03:19:00,560 know it's some of these are not 3817 03:19:00,560 --> 03:19:04,479 reasonable but I think eliminating some 3818 03:19:04,479 --> 03:19:06,399 because we've decided oh this is 3819 03:19:06,399 --> 03:19:08,399 uncutable 3820 03:19:08,399 --> 03:19:10,960 may not be as we may get a lot of 3821 03:19:10,960 --> 03:19:12,399 negative push back on that you know 3822 03:19:12,399 --> 03:19:15,279 looking at some of these where you know 3823 03:19:15,279 --> 03:19:16,640 things that I've definitely gotten 3824 03:19:16,640 --> 03:19:18,319 emails complaining about spending too 3825 03:19:18,319 --> 03:19:22,000 much money on fall into number one core 3826 03:19:22,000 --> 03:19:24,800 in some ways. And so I guess my question 3827 03:19:24,800 --> 03:19:28,560 is if we include number one core in that 3828 03:19:28,560 --> 03:19:30,560 communication and that information 3829 03:19:30,560 --> 03:19:32,239 gathering from the public whether it's 3830 03:19:32,239 --> 03:19:34,640 through an online survey or or what have 3831 03:19:34,640 --> 03:19:38,880 you. How do we plan to kind of inform 3832 03:19:38,880 --> 03:19:43,359 the public on the implications of the 3833 03:19:43,359 --> 03:19:46,160 input they give us? Like if somebody 3834 03:19:46,160 --> 03:19:48,800 gives us the input of yeah cut 3835 03:19:48,800 --> 03:19:50,880 permitting staff in half, are we going 3836 03:19:50,880 --> 03:19:53,680 to like is it going to be a widget that 3837 03:19:53,680 --> 03:19:55,439 says, you know, this would roughly 3838 03:19:55,439 --> 03:20:02,720 impact permit issuance time by triple or what have you? Like are we going to 3839 03:20:02,720 --> 03:20:04,720 give enough information to the public to 3840 03:20:04,720 --> 03:20:06,880 truly understand the recommendations are 3841 03:20:06,880 --> 03:20:09,200 giving us, I guess, and how are we going 3842 03:20:09,200 --> 03:20:12,870 to do that? 3843 03:20:12,880 --> 03:20:14,960 » Yeah, thank you for that question. I I 3844 03:20:14,960 --> 03:20:17,279 um I don't have an answer to that 3845 03:20:17,279 --> 03:20:19,760 question because it gets so unwieldy so 3846 03:20:19,760 --> 03:20:22,319 quickly because we do so much which is 3847 03:20:22,319 --> 03:20:24,560 why I was trying to get you to narrow my 3848 03:20:24,560 --> 03:20:27,040 list down of of uh of items that we 3849 03:20:27,040 --> 03:20:30,000 needed to um ask the public about. So, 3850 03:20:30,000 --> 03:20:32,479 you know, I think if the direction is to 3851 03:20:32,479 --> 03:20:35,520 start, you know, with everything, then 3852 03:20:35,520 --> 03:20:37,680 we would need to bring you back um a 3853 03:20:37,680 --> 03:20:42,960 proc design a process that does that and um and that's going to just take 3854 03:20:42,960 --> 03:20:49,110 some some thoughtfulness. 3855 03:20:49,120 --> 03:20:53,750 Any other questions? 3856 03:20:53,760 --> 03:20:56,479 Okay. Um 3857 03:20:56,479 --> 03:20:58,560 we have kind of we have two questions 3858 03:20:58,560 --> 03:21:04,640 here. Um it's you know feedback on 3859 03:21:04,640 --> 03:21:07,760 public engagement and 3860 03:21:07,760 --> 03:21:10,880 um do we start with 3861 03:21:10,880 --> 03:21:15,840 kind of core or do we you know um do we 3862 03:21:15,840 --> 03:21:18,160 focus our discussion beyond core I 3863 03:21:18,160 --> 03:21:21,200 guess. So, um, and I know they're 3864 03:21:21,200 --> 03:21:24,950 linked, but, 3865 03:21:24,960 --> 03:21:27,840 um, I feel like one drives the other 3866 03:21:27,840 --> 03:21:29,920 probably. So, maybe starting with the 3867 03:21:29,920 --> 03:21:32,399 question of 3868 03:21:32,399 --> 03:21:34,720 do we'll 3869 03:21:34,720 --> 03:21:38,000 read um, staff recommends that we focus 3870 03:21:38,000 --> 03:21:40,080 public engagement and input on services 3871 03:21:40,080 --> 03:21:41,279 that are discretionary [clears throat] 3872 03:21:41,279 --> 03:21:43,520 or core where the level of service can 3873 03:21:43,520 --> 03:21:45,760 be adjusted. Does the AFC concur with 3874 03:21:45,760 --> 03:21:47,520 that focus? 3875 03:21:47,520 --> 03:21:49,600 Mayor Welder, 3876 03:21:49,600 --> 03:21:51,040 >> just a discussion or do you want a 3877 03:21:51,040 --> 03:21:52,479 motion? 3878 03:21:52,479 --> 03:21:53,680 >> Take a motion. 3879 03:21:53,680 --> 03:21:54,560 >> Okay, I'll make 3880 03:21:54,560 --> 03:21:55,760 >> that worked so well last [laughter] 3881 03:21:55,760 --> 03:21:57,040 time. 3882 03:21:57,040 --> 03:21:59,760 >> I'm going to try again. Go ahead, Mayor 3883 03:21:59,760 --> 03:22:00,720 Weldon. 3884 03:22:00,720 --> 03:22:04,160 >> I will say that we direct staff to focus 3885 03:22:04,160 --> 03:22:06,160 public engagement and input on services 3886 03:22:06,160 --> 03:22:10,000 that are discretionary or core where the 3887 03:22:10,000 --> 03:22:11,600 level of service can be adjusted. And 3888 03:22:11,600 --> 03:22:13,760 may I speak to my motion? 3889 03:22:13,760 --> 03:22:14,720 >> Go ahead. 3890 03:22:14,720 --> 03:22:19,439 >> Um, I think what Miss Director, sorry, 3891 03:22:19,439 --> 03:22:23,200 manager Kester said is appropriate. Um, 3892 03:22:23,200 --> 03:22:26,000 we where where we really need feedback 3893 03:22:26,000 --> 03:22:28,399 is on our discretionary items and on our 3894 03:22:28,399 --> 03:22:31,439 core services that can be adjusted. That 3895 03:22:31,439 --> 03:22:33,439 does not mean that an assembly member is 3896 03:22:33,439 --> 03:22:35,520 hearing quite a bit about something else 3897 03:22:35,520 --> 03:22:37,040 that they can't bring it up to another 3898 03:22:37,040 --> 03:22:39,040 time. But I think the public engagement 3899 03:22:39,040 --> 03:22:40,399 should really be focused on those two 3900 03:22:40,399 --> 03:22:42,560 items. discretionary and core where the 3901 03:22:42,560 --> 03:22:45,920 service can be adjusted. 3902 03:22:45,920 --> 03:22:47,359 >> We've got a motion on the table. 3903 03:22:47,359 --> 03:22:49,279 Objections. 3904 03:22:49,279 --> 03:22:51,359 Miss Hugh Candies. 3905 03:22:51,359 --> 03:22:53,359 >> Thanks, Madam Chair. I will speak 3906 03:22:53,359 --> 03:22:56,720 briefly to my motion. 3907 03:22:56,720 --> 03:23:00,399 I agree that there is a difference 3908 03:23:00,399 --> 03:23:02,239 between what the public gives feedback 3909 03:23:02,239 --> 03:23:04,880 on and what this body might do. who this 3910 03:23:04,880 --> 03:23:07,359 body might have a more educated opinion 3911 03:23:07,359 --> 03:23:10,319 of what we think we can do to the core 3912 03:23:10,319 --> 03:23:14,000 services versus it gets it does get very 3913 03:23:14,000 --> 03:23:16,720 complicated very quickly if you open the 3914 03:23:16,720 --> 03:23:20,160 entire thing up to the public. 3915 03:23:20,160 --> 03:23:24,080 I would prefer, however, to get the 3916 03:23:24,080 --> 03:23:27,680 public's opinion on the whole shebang 3917 03:23:27,680 --> 03:23:31,680 because the magnitude of 3918 03:23:31,680 --> 03:23:37,590 budget cuts that we are anticipating 3919 03:23:37,600 --> 03:23:42,399 if we limit it to 1.5 and three. To me, 3920 03:23:42,399 --> 03:23:45,120 I do think that a lot of Juno's public 3921 03:23:45,120 --> 03:23:47,359 might have opinions about how do you 3922 03:23:47,359 --> 03:23:50,640 reduce things in one? how do you um 3923 03:23:50,640 --> 03:23:54,239 potentially reduce things in two um so 3924 03:23:54,239 --> 03:23:57,520 that they can keep some of three or 1.5 3925 03:23:57,520 --> 03:23:59,680 and I if that's the case and I want to 3926 03:23:59,680 --> 03:24:05,200 hear that um I will blend that in to say 3927 03:24:05,200 --> 03:24:08,720 that um it would be well maybe I should 3928 03:24:08,720 --> 03:24:10,960 keep it just to one and not talk about 3929 03:24:10,960 --> 03:24:13,040 outreach strategy. 3930 03:24:13,040 --> 03:24:16,160 I I'll just keep it to that. I I I I 3931 03:24:16,160 --> 03:24:17,439 certainly will be looking at the whole 3932 03:24:17,439 --> 03:24:18,800 thing, but I think there are good 3933 03:24:18,800 --> 03:24:21,840 reasons to Juno who has historically 3934 03:24:21,840 --> 03:24:25,200 taxed itself and um paid for a lot of 3935 03:24:25,200 --> 03:24:27,040 discretionary things that the rest of 3936 03:24:27,040 --> 03:24:29,840 the state, you know, it's a limited 3937 03:24:29,840 --> 03:24:31,359 number of the municipalities that 3938 03:24:31,359 --> 03:24:36,319 provide this level of service. And um I 3939 03:24:36,319 --> 03:24:39,279 think that when people understand the 3940 03:24:39,279 --> 03:24:41,680 magnitude of the decisions made in the 3941 03:24:41,680 --> 03:24:44,000 last election, there is going to be a 3942 03:24:44,000 --> 03:24:45,600 little bit of whiplash and then they're 3943 03:24:45,600 --> 03:24:47,200 going to have opinions about how they 3944 03:24:47,200 --> 03:24:49,359 keep some of those things. I could be 3945 03:24:49,359 --> 03:24:52,399 wrong, but I don't think I am. Uh and 3946 03:24:52,399 --> 03:24:54,080 because of that, then I would want their 3947 03:24:54,080 --> 03:24:55,600 feedback on the whole thing. So that's 3948 03:24:55,600 --> 03:24:59,429 why I will object. 3949 03:24:59,439 --> 03:25:01,600 » Mr. Steiner, 3950 03:25:01,600 --> 03:25:03,760 >> and I'll object too. And I think Miss 3951 03:25:03,760 --> 03:25:06,560 Hugh Scann put it very well. The one 3952 03:25:06,560 --> 03:25:08,479 thing I'll add is I I feel like 3953 03:25:08,479 --> 03:25:10,160 pre-editing 3954 03:25:10,160 --> 03:25:12,399 the list of options that we give to the 3955 03:25:12,399 --> 03:25:17,110 public kind of 3956 03:25:17,120 --> 03:25:19,760 sends a message that maybe we're not 3957 03:25:19,760 --> 03:25:22,000 willing to listen to all ideas. And I 3958 03:25:22,000 --> 03:25:25,200 think having all the items on the list 3959 03:25:25,200 --> 03:25:27,920 helps communicate that we are listening 3960 03:25:27,920 --> 03:25:31,520 to every idea no matter whether it's 3961 03:25:31,520 --> 03:25:33,359 challenging something that we believe 3962 03:25:33,359 --> 03:25:37,200 can't be cut or reduced. Even if I am 3963 03:25:37,200 --> 03:25:39,840 very skeptical that we can squeeze much 3964 03:25:39,840 --> 03:25:43,359 out of the items in number one core. I I 3965 03:25:43,359 --> 03:25:45,760 think it's I I think it would be sending 3966 03:25:45,760 --> 03:25:47,439 the wrong message to not include those 3967 03:25:47,439 --> 03:25:49,359 in our public outreach as we're asking 3968 03:25:49,359 --> 03:25:51,680 people what pieces of government that 3969 03:25:51,680 --> 03:25:56,399 they they prioritize the lowest. 3970 03:25:56,399 --> 03:25:59,200 >> Mr. Kelly, 3971 03:25:59,200 --> 03:26:02,479 >> thank you. Um I um much along the same 3972 03:26:02,479 --> 03:26:06,640 lines as Miss Gandies and Mr. Steiner. I 3973 03:26:06,640 --> 03:26:09,040 um hold firmly as a principle that 3974 03:26:09,040 --> 03:26:11,200 leadership isn't to one party or the 3975 03:26:11,200 --> 03:26:13,200 other giving direction. It's it's a 3976 03:26:13,200 --> 03:26:15,359 discussion and so I think we should put 3977 03:26:15,359 --> 03:26:17,279 it on the table and we should be able to 3978 03:26:17,279 --> 03:26:20,239 communicate what the effects would be um 3979 03:26:20,239 --> 03:26:22,080 and what the consequences would be. I 3980 03:26:22,080 --> 03:26:23,680 think that gives us an opportunity for 3981 03:26:23,680 --> 03:26:27,200 communication and so um I think Miss 3982 03:26:27,200 --> 03:26:29,120 Husseand hasn't quite moved an amendment 3983 03:26:29,120 --> 03:26:32,960 but maybe I um I would since Mr. Mr. 3984 03:26:32,960 --> 03:26:34,880 Sener and Miss Scandies have spoken to 3985 03:26:34,880 --> 03:26:38,720 it. Um I would move to um amend the 3986 03:26:38,720 --> 03:26:42,720 motion to also include uh discussion of 3987 03:26:42,720 --> 03:26:47,910 uh core essential items. 3988 03:26:47,920 --> 03:26:50,239 » You've heard the amendment. Any 3989 03:26:50,239 --> 03:26:52,960 objections to the amendment? 3990 03:26:52,960 --> 03:26:54,479 >> I'll object. I don't need to speak to 3991 03:26:54,479 --> 03:26:58,150 the 3992 03:26:58,160 --> 03:27:00,160 » um I saw Mr. Brooks first. Do you want 3993 03:27:00,160 --> 03:27:03,600 to speak to your objective? Objection. 3994 03:27:03,600 --> 03:27:05,439 >> Objection. For the purpose of a 3995 03:27:05,439 --> 03:27:08,399 question, uh, Assembly Member Kelly, did 3996 03:27:08,399 --> 03:27:10,479 you 3997 03:27:10,479 --> 03:27:12,720 include 3998 03:27:12,720 --> 03:27:15,600 all four options for review in your 3999 03:27:15,600 --> 03:27:18,880 amendment or was it just three of them? 4000 03:27:18,880 --> 03:27:21,040 >> It was my intent to include um 4001 03:27:21,040 --> 03:27:22,640 everything that hasn't been included 4002 03:27:22,640 --> 03:27:24,319 yet. 4003 03:27:24,319 --> 03:27:27,990 >> Thank you. 4004 03:27:28,000 --> 03:27:29,520 » Um, do you remove your objection? 4005 03:27:29,520 --> 03:27:31,120 >> I remove my objection. I just remembered 4006 03:27:31,120 --> 03:27:35,349 >> Miss Hall. 4007 03:27:35,359 --> 03:27:40,399 » Um I will speak in favor of this um 4008 03:27:40,399 --> 03:27:42,319 amendment. I think it's a toss up and I 4009 03:27:42,319 --> 03:27:44,720 understand where staff are coming from 4010 03:27:44,720 --> 03:27:47,040 and I think we will need to get granular 4011 03:27:47,040 --> 03:27:50,960 on you know probably these 4012 03:27:50,960 --> 03:27:53,359 discretionary items at some point with 4013 03:27:53,359 --> 03:27:56,239 the public. This will be an iterative 4014 03:27:56,239 --> 03:27:59,439 process, but I do think from the having 4015 03:27:59,439 --> 03:28:01,359 the community have to grapple with those 4016 03:28:01,359 --> 03:28:04,239 big picture things first 4017 03:28:04,239 --> 03:28:06,960 um will ultimately serve us in the end. 4018 03:28:06,960 --> 03:28:09,040 Even though 4019 03:28:09,040 --> 03:28:11,359 um when we get into the weeds, we'll 4020 03:28:11,359 --> 03:28:15,600 have to get feedback on the the things 4021 03:28:15,600 --> 03:28:18,640 and that right column because those are 4022 03:28:18,640 --> 03:28:20,720 most likely the things that we are going 4023 03:28:20,720 --> 03:28:24,000 to have to touch. 4024 03:28:24,000 --> 03:28:27,120 All right, we have a Oh, go ahead, 4025 03:28:27,120 --> 03:28:28,800 Mayor. Well done. 4026 03:28:28,800 --> 03:28:30,880 >> And count uh votes. I'll just remove my 4027 03:28:30,880 --> 03:28:33,120 objection. 4028 03:28:33,120 --> 03:28:34,960 >> All right, we have a motion and we have 4029 03:28:34,960 --> 03:28:37,680 an amendment. Any objections to the 4030 03:28:37,680 --> 03:28:39,359 amendment? 4031 03:28:39,359 --> 03:28:42,479 Seeing none, that's so moved. Um that 4032 03:28:42,479 --> 03:28:44,640 brings us back to the original motion as 4033 03:28:44,640 --> 03:28:49,349 amended. Any objections? 4034 03:28:49,359 --> 03:28:51,439 Seeing none, that's so moved. And I know 4035 03:28:51,439 --> 03:28:54,319 we're trying to create binary paths when 4036 03:28:54,319 --> 03:28:56,160 there's obviously gray area between the 4037 03:28:56,160 --> 03:29:00,080 two. I know that we will figure this out 4038 03:29:00,080 --> 03:29:01,680 um 4039 03:29:01,680 --> 03:29:04,960 to to do a little bit of a of all these 4040 03:29:04,960 --> 03:29:09,349 things. Um 4041 03:29:09,359 --> 03:29:13,120 the next question is really just getting 4042 03:29:13,120 --> 03:29:16,080 feedback from the body on the public 4043 03:29:16,080 --> 03:29:19,279 process. Is that correct? staff. Is that 4044 03:29:19,279 --> 03:29:21,920 the additional feedback you'd like or is 4045 03:29:21,920 --> 03:29:24,080 there some specific things you'd want 4046 03:29:24,080 --> 03:29:25,439 from us? 4047 03:29:25,439 --> 03:29:27,359 >> Um, yeah, I think just high level 4048 03:29:27,359 --> 03:29:29,520 feedback on the public process would be 4049 03:29:29,520 --> 03:29:32,960 useful. Um, timing I think is what I 4050 03:29:32,960 --> 03:29:35,760 struggle with because you know you in 4051 03:29:35,760 --> 03:29:38,640 what 6 weeks are going to be giving me 4052 03:29:38,640 --> 03:29:40,880 budget direction for building the FY27 4053 03:29:40,880 --> 03:29:42,720 budget. It would be great to have had 4054 03:29:42,720 --> 03:29:46,560 all like surveys and public meetings and 4055 03:29:46,560 --> 03:29:48,640 listening sessions uh in advance of 4056 03:29:48,640 --> 03:29:51,279 that. I don't I don't know how to how to 4057 03:29:51,279 --> 03:29:55,279 do that. Um so I so kind of weighing in 4058 03:29:55,279 --> 03:29:58,560 on what that looks like. Um and what 4059 03:29:58,560 --> 03:30:00,399 like what's so what's most important to 4060 03:30:00,399 --> 03:30:01,520 you, right? Like if it's super 4061 03:30:01,520 --> 03:30:05,439 important, I'll be like okay, we'll de prioritize other other things. 4062 03:30:05,439 --> 03:30:08,479 So just I I just think some like high 4063 03:30:08,479 --> 03:30:11,520 level feedback on uh process but also on 4064 03:30:11,520 --> 03:30:14,560 timing would be useful. 4065 03:30:14,560 --> 03:30:17,439 >> I saw Miss Scandies, Mr. Steining or Mr. 4066 03:30:17,439 --> 03:30:18,560 Brooks. 4067 03:30:18,560 --> 03:30:22,560 >> Thanks Madam Chair. I think um my 4068 03:30:22,560 --> 03:30:25,840 feedback would be I see that before the 4069 03:30:25,840 --> 03:30:28,399 retreat after the retreat 4070 03:30:28,399 --> 03:30:31,359 um the timing before that I would say 4071 03:30:31,359 --> 03:30:33,439 that I have no expectation that there's 4072 03:30:33,439 --> 03:30:35,840 going to be a super robust public 4073 03:30:35,840 --> 03:30:37,920 process before the retreat and I think 4074 03:30:37,920 --> 03:30:40,800 we will give you that direction as a 4075 03:30:40,800 --> 03:30:42,880 body and then 4076 03:30:42,880 --> 03:30:45,200 I think the earlier we start the public 4077 03:30:45,200 --> 03:30:47,600 process the better because it is going 4078 03:30:47,600 --> 03:30:49,520 to be an iterative process and we are 4079 03:30:49,520 --> 03:30:51,200 going going to have to go from, you 4080 03:30:51,200 --> 03:30:54,160 know, 100,000 ft, 50,000 ft. I don't 4081 03:30:54,160 --> 03:30:56,479 remember the numbers, but we're going to 4082 03:30:56,479 --> 03:31:00,560 have to zoom in at some point, 4083 03:31:00,560 --> 03:31:03,520 but that I anticipate if we take into 4084 03:31:03,520 --> 03:31:05,520 account the holidays and travel and 4085 03:31:05,520 --> 03:31:07,680 things that really that the real heart 4086 03:31:07,680 --> 03:31:09,520 of that process is going to take place 4087 03:31:09,520 --> 03:31:13,439 next year. I remember when the state 4088 03:31:13,439 --> 03:31:15,040 went broke and they had the balance a 4089 03:31:15,040 --> 03:31:18,239 budget tool on the website. I don't know 4090 03:31:18,239 --> 03:31:19,600 that we could have anything as 4091 03:31:19,600 --> 03:31:21,439 sophisticated as that, but I would 4092 03:31:21,439 --> 03:31:23,040 really love it if people we had 4093 03:31:23,040 --> 03:31:25,840 something that people could play with 4094 03:31:25,840 --> 03:31:29,760 themselves at home. Um, even if it's, 4095 03:31:29,760 --> 03:31:31,359 you know, putting a link to an Excel 4096 03:31:31,359 --> 03:31:34,000 sheet or something. Um, and pointing 4097 03:31:34,000 --> 03:31:35,920 them to it at social media so they could 4098 03:31:35,920 --> 03:31:37,439 see the challenges of balancing the 4099 03:31:37,439 --> 03:31:39,279 budget and the cuts that will need to be 4100 03:31:39,279 --> 03:31:41,840 made. Um and then I think we should do 4101 03:31:41,840 --> 03:31:45,040 non-statistical stuff in addition to you 4102 03:31:45,040 --> 03:31:46,960 know if this body wanted to do anything 4103 03:31:46,960 --> 03:31:49,520 non-statistical but public meetings I 4104 03:31:49,520 --> 03:31:52,880 would think would be part of that. So I mean I will trust to the engagement 4105 03:31:52,880 --> 03:31:55,279 team to bring bring us back strategies 4106 03:31:55,279 --> 03:31:58,960 through you but um but I I would just 4107 03:31:58,960 --> 03:32:01,359 say I would love giving something that 4108 03:32:01,359 --> 03:32:03,040 allows the public to play with the 4109 03:32:03,040 --> 03:32:05,040 budget because I think sometimes that's 4110 03:32:05,040 --> 03:32:07,680 how you make someone realize how deep 4111 03:32:07,680 --> 03:32:11,830 the cuts are. 4112 03:32:11,840 --> 03:32:14,399 Mr. Steininger, 4113 03:32:14,399 --> 03:32:16,319 >> Miss Hugh Scandies was thorough and 4114 03:32:16,319 --> 03:32:18,640 covered everything. 4115 03:32:18,640 --> 03:32:22,150 >> Mr. Brooks. 4116 03:32:22,160 --> 03:32:25,680 » Thank you, Madam Chair. I'm just 4117 03:32:25,680 --> 03:32:30,479 wondering if, you know, maybe we could 4118 03:32:30,479 --> 03:32:33,520 take a page out of the 4119 03:32:33,520 --> 03:32:37,920 uh um election process and maybe utilize 4120 03:32:37,920 --> 03:32:40,479 dropboxes in some sort of fashion, you 4121 03:32:40,479 --> 03:32:42,800 know, for community outreach. People are 4122 03:32:42,800 --> 03:32:47,040 more likely to do it uh if it has more 4123 03:32:47,040 --> 03:32:49,760 options of partaking and more convenient 4124 03:32:49,760 --> 03:32:52,720 options. So, you know, the strategic 4125 03:32:52,720 --> 03:32:55,359 areas like supermarkets and things like 4126 03:32:55,359 --> 03:32:57,760 that. It doesn't have to be the 4127 03:32:57,760 --> 03:33:00,399 beautiful dropboxes that we have for for 4128 03:33:00,399 --> 03:33:02,960 the ballots and stuff, but something, 4129 03:33:02,960 --> 03:33:04,560 you know, sufficient enough with blank 4130 03:33:04,560 --> 03:33:07,120 pages and then maybe having just a 4131 03:33:07,120 --> 03:33:09,359 little bulletin above it or some sort of 4132 03:33:09,359 --> 03:33:12,880 display that explains, you know, the the 4133 03:33:12,880 --> 03:33:15,040 objective of the of the community and 4134 03:33:15,040 --> 03:33:17,520 finances and then have people just write 4135 03:33:17,520 --> 03:33:20,640 on a piece of paper. And uh I know it's 4136 03:33:20,640 --> 03:33:22,960 all all staff and time permitting, but 4137 03:33:22,960 --> 03:33:27,429 I'd read to them all. 4138 03:33:27,439 --> 03:33:30,950 » Miss Hall, 4139 03:33:30,960 --> 03:33:32,880 » I think we have a professional 4140 03:33:32,880 --> 03:33:37,680 communication engagement division and I think we should divert a lot of 4141 03:33:37,680 --> 03:33:41,920 these decisions about the howto's to to 4142 03:33:41,920 --> 03:33:44,960 the professionals. Um, I I think the 4143 03:33:44,960 --> 03:33:47,279 sooner the better, although running up 4144 03:33:47,279 --> 03:33:48,880 to the holidays that's super 4145 03:33:48,880 --> 03:33:52,000 challenging. Um, I think some community 4146 03:33:52,000 --> 03:33:54,720 engagement in in meetings maybe downtown 4147 03:33:54,720 --> 03:33:56,560 in the valley, but ultimately have 4148 03:33:56,560 --> 03:33:58,880 people fill it out online so we're not 4149 03:33:58,880 --> 03:34:00,479 getting 4150 03:34:00,479 --> 03:34:02,800 multiple, you know, people going to a 4151 03:34:02,800 --> 03:34:04,640 meeting and providing their input and 4152 03:34:04,640 --> 03:34:06,960 then going home and doing it again, you 4153 03:34:06,960 --> 03:34:10,399 know, like you can provide input once 4154 03:34:10,399 --> 03:34:13,200 and but again, leave all those little 4155 03:34:13,200 --> 03:34:17,120 details up to the professionals. 4156 03:34:17,120 --> 03:34:19,920 Any 4157 03:34:19,920 --> 03:34:21,920 other comments? I see a lot of head 4158 03:34:21,920 --> 03:34:24,479 nods. 4159 03:34:24,479 --> 03:34:28,319 I'll just add on the I think there will 4160 03:34:28,319 --> 03:34:30,239 be, you know, a question of kind of 4161 03:34:30,239 --> 03:34:35,680 appropriation and spending money and um 4162 03:34:35,680 --> 03:34:37,840 we'll be I'll be you know curious what 4163 03:34:37,840 --> 03:34:41,600 you all come to us with. But I will say 4164 03:34:41,600 --> 03:34:45,200 that, you know, because we are we're 4165 03:34:45,200 --> 03:34:47,920 embarking on this to cut the budget 4166 03:34:47,920 --> 03:34:51,760 that, you know, I I don't statistical 4167 03:34:51,760 --> 03:34:54,800 surveys are probably not where my brain 4168 03:34:54,800 --> 03:34:59,520 is, but I will always advocate for um 4169 03:34:59,520 --> 03:35:02,399 hiring a neutral facilitator. 4170 03:35:02,399 --> 03:35:05,439 Um if if that makes sense. I know the 4171 03:35:05,439 --> 03:35:06,960 brand new engagement team might have 4172 03:35:06,960 --> 03:35:10,160 sorry the community marketing team might 4173 03:35:10,160 --> 03:35:12,319 have good ideas that don't include that 4174 03:35:12,319 --> 03:35:14,640 but I that is an expense that I'd be 4175 03:35:14,640 --> 03:35:18,399 open to um so that we make sure that 4176 03:35:18,399 --> 03:35:22,319 there's time and attention on putting 4177 03:35:22,319 --> 03:35:24,640 together that process and and bringing 4178 03:35:24,640 --> 03:35:32,150 us back um you know an output. 4179 03:35:32,160 --> 03:35:34,640 Great. I think that is it. staff, do you 4180 03:35:34,640 --> 03:35:37,120 have the fe feedback that you need? 4181 03:35:37,120 --> 03:35:41,120 Great. Well, that bring we are going to 4182 03:35:41,120 --> 03:35:43,680 skip the next few items here and we will 4183 03:35:43,680 --> 03:35:45,760 come back to them. 4184 03:35:45,760 --> 03:35:47,920 Revenue definitely something want to 4185 03:35:47,920 --> 03:35:49,760 talk. Mr. Smith, 4186 03:35:49,760 --> 03:35:53,680 >> sorry. Um [clears throat] I I just I I'm 4187 03:35:53,680 --> 03:35:55,840 also I know we're I know a number of us 4188 03:35:55,840 --> 03:36:00,160 are interested in foreground revenue. I did just want to maybe get a 4189 03:36:00,160 --> 03:36:02,640 temperature check from the assembly and 4190 03:36:02,640 --> 03:36:04,720 I I could do it in the form of a motion 4191 03:36:04,720 --> 03:36:07,920 if that would be okay. Um just on the 4192 03:36:07,920 --> 03:36:11,279 idea of again a a a group of three to 4193 03:36:11,279 --> 03:36:13,439 kind of maybe dig in a little bit on the 4194 03:36:13,439 --> 03:36:16,160 foreground revenue just so we don't lose 4195 03:36:16,160 --> 03:36:18,560 steam on it. 4196 03:36:18,560 --> 03:36:20,080 >> Would that be would you be open to that, 4197 03:36:20,080 --> 03:36:23,120 Madam Chair? I think um I don't know 4198 03:36:23,120 --> 03:36:25,200 that we need a motion because there's 4199 03:36:25,200 --> 03:36:27,680 nothing keeping three people from doing 4200 03:36:27,680 --> 03:36:30,640 that regardless. So I see some head nods 4201 03:36:30,640 --> 03:36:33,680 and um that sounds like a good idea. I'd 4202 03:36:33,680 --> 03:36:36,479 also say for folks who may not end up in 4203 03:36:36,479 --> 03:36:38,880 that group, um it would probably be 4204 03:36:38,880 --> 03:36:40,399 helpful if you look through that list 4205 03:36:40,399 --> 03:36:42,479 and there are particular things that you 4206 03:36:42,479 --> 03:36:46,000 think are either, you know, that are big 4207 03:36:46,000 --> 03:36:53,760 movers or easy wins that you um pick those out and and can communicate 4208 03:36:53,760 --> 03:36:55,680 those with with staff or or be thinking 4209 03:36:55,680 --> 03:36:57,120 about those so we all can have a little 4210 03:36:57,120 --> 03:37:00,229 homework. 4211 03:37:00,239 --> 03:37:04,389 Does that satisfy you, Mr. Smith? 4212 03:37:04,399 --> 03:37:07,680 Um, yeah, I I was gonna add that I 4213 03:37:07,680 --> 03:37:09,200 didn't want to be on that group. That 4214 03:37:09,200 --> 03:37:10,560 was the only part of my motion I was 4215 03:37:10,560 --> 03:37:13,340 going to add in, but um 4216 03:37:13,340 --> 03:37:14,640 [laughter] 4217 03:37:14,640 --> 03:37:16,000 hold on. I thought I saw the mayor and 4218 03:37:16,000 --> 03:37:17,680 she probably has better guidance than I 4219 03:37:17,680 --> 03:37:18,239 do. 4220 03:37:18,239 --> 03:37:20,880 >> Okay, M. [clears throat] Sorry. 4221 03:37:20,880 --> 03:37:23,120 >> Well, uh, Mr. Sorry, Mr. Steininger 4222 03:37:23,120 --> 03:37:24,479 already said that he's been interested 4223 03:37:24,479 --> 03:37:26,399 in this. I've been interested in this 4224 03:37:26,399 --> 03:37:28,319 and I've talked to you before. So, that 4225 03:37:28,319 --> 03:37:30,239 will be our core three. And if anybody 4226 03:37:30,239 --> 03:37:31,439 else wants another group, they're 4227 03:37:31,439 --> 03:37:33,520 certainly welcome to because I 4228 03:37:33,520 --> 03:37:35,600 >> Who's in the group? I missed Mr. 4229 03:37:35,600 --> 03:37:36,479 Steininger. 4230 03:37:36,479 --> 03:37:38,880 >> I volunteered. You me. 4231 03:37:38,880 --> 03:37:40,720 >> Mr. Steiner. 4232 03:37:40,720 --> 03:37:41,760 >> So, we'll see. 4233 03:37:41,760 --> 03:37:43,120 >> We have lots of questions for the 4234 03:37:43,120 --> 03:37:43,600 attorney. 4235 03:37:43,600 --> 03:37:45,120 >> I didn't know I was in it. All right. 4236 03:37:45,120 --> 03:37:51,110 Cool. 4237 03:37:51,120 --> 03:37:53,040 » Chair. Go ahead. Miss 4238 03:37:53,040 --> 03:37:55,760 >> Hallifying question. So those three, if 4239 03:37:55,760 --> 03:37:58,479 any of the rest of us have info, we 4240 03:37:58,479 --> 03:38:00,399 should give it to the staff who then 4241 03:38:00,399 --> 03:38:02,000 give it to the 4242 03:38:02,000 --> 03:38:07,910 >> Yes. Okay. Thanks. 4243 03:38:07,920 --> 03:38:20,000 » All right. Um that brings us to next meeting date 4244 03:38:20,000 --> 03:38:23,600 which is December 3rd, 2025. 4245 03:38:23,600 --> 03:38:28,399 and executive session. 4246 03:38:28,399 --> 03:38:31,359 Um, Madame Mayor, 4247 03:38:31,359 --> 03:38:33,279 give a motion. 4248 03:38:33,279 --> 03:38:35,920 >> Uh, I move that we recess into executive 4249 03:38:35,920 --> 03:38:37,920 session to discuss and update collective 4250 03:38:37,920 --> 03:38:39,760 bargaining negotiations, the immediate 4251 03:38:39,760 --> 03:38:41,439 knowledge of which would adversely 4252 03:38:41,439 --> 03:38:47,190 affect the finances of the municipality. 4253 03:38:47,200 --> 03:38:48,720 » That's for unanimous consent. I should 4254 03:38:48,720 --> 03:38:51,760 read the whole thing. 4255 03:38:51,760 --> 03:38:54,640 Are there any members of the public that 4256 03:38:54,640 --> 03:38:57,439 object? 4257 03:38:57,439 --> 03:39:00,080 Oh, I have to I have to declare a 4258 03:39:00,080 --> 03:39:05,040 conflict. Um I am have a conflict 4259 03:39:05,040 --> 03:39:08,560 associated with negotiations with IAFF 4260 03:39:08,560 --> 03:39:12,239 and so I will um leave for that part of 4261 03:39:12,239 --> 03:39:14,960 the discussion. Any objections from the 4262 03:39:14,960 --> 03:39:17,359 assembly about recessing into executive 4263 03:39:17,359 --> 03:39:19,439 session? 4264 03:39:19,439 --> 03:39:21,760 Oh, go ahead, Miss Flick. 4265 03:39:21,760 --> 03:39:24,000 >> Thank you, Chair. Well, before you um 4266 03:39:24,000 --> 03:39:25,600 actually resource into executive 4267 03:39:25,600 --> 03:39:29,520 session, um do we need to come back to 4268 03:39:29,520 --> 03:39:32,560 the public or [clears throat] 4269 03:39:32,560 --> 03:39:34,319 um for public action? 4270 03:39:34,319 --> 03:39:37,520 >> We will not need to take motion after 4271 03:39:37,520 --> 03:39:39,279 the executive session. So, when we are 4272 03:39:39,279 --> 03:39:41,120 done, we will adjourn. 4273 03:39:41,120 --> 03:39:44,120 >> Perfect.