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>> good evening, everyone.

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welcome to tonight's planning and zoning commission meeting. I'd like to call the meeting to order.

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it's 7:03 according to my watch.

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staff, could you please call the roll so we can establish a quorum?

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>> here. >> vice chair richard dunning.

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>> here. >> commissioner dan guisinger? >> here. >> commissioner beth kelso?

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>> here. >> commissioner david thompson. Commissioner karen vinson.

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commissioner paul keenan. Commissioner cynthia blum.

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>> here. >> very good. We've established a quorum.

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I think because david's not here, then all will be voting this evening, is that correct?

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>> excuse me. Just one second. I've got one commissioner cassatly. Thank you.

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>> thank you. Sorry about that, michael. Paul will be voting this evening,

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is that right? Yes. Thank you. Everyone obviously gets to participate in the questions.

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now that we've established a quorum, if anyone would like to speak before the commission,

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please submit a green comment card to vernisa, the secretary here.

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speakers will have three minutes to express their comments. These are non-agenda topics.

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next citizen comments, unrelated to agenda items. The board won't discuss these items this evening,

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but any items brought up will be noted by staff or follow up as appropriate.

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staff, are there any comment cards from the public or are there any members of the public who would like to speak?

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>> no. >> onto the minutes review of the minutes?

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we have minutes from june 11th, 2024 meeting? Are there any changes to the meeting minutes?

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if not, may I have a motion to approve? >> I'll make a motion to approve.

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>> commissioner guisinger, do I have a second? >> I'll second. >> commissioner dunning. All those in favor say aye.

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>> aye. >> any opposed? The planning and zoning minutes are approved.

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the regular agenda, staff, are there any changes to the agenda?

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we'll vote when that item comes up in the order.

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the next item would the secretary please swear in the witnesses.

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this is for all of the applicants tonight and staff, anyone who will be providing testimony.

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this does not include members of the public making comments.

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>> please stand and raise your right hand. Do you solemnly swear on the penalties of perjury that

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the testimony you're about to give in this matter is the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth. Thank you.

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>> thank you. The next item we have on the agenda is 228 bears club drive-variance application.

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do any board members have any ex parte disclosures starting over here, paul?

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>> no disclosure. I have no disclosure.

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I went by the property and I talked with one of the I guess,

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the lead superintendents on the property, talked about it drove around. I also talked with peter on this matter also.

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>> thank you. Commissioner cassatly. >> no disclosure. >> commissioner kelso. Commissioner blum.

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>> no disclosure. >> great. We'll go ahead and start with the applicant to give their presentation.

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>> good evening. My name is misael. I'm a project manager for onshore construction development.

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we are representing the home owner this evening.

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the request for this variant is to increase a front side wall from four feet as permeed to six feet in height.

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that is from finished grade. That's really what we're here for.

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>> thank you. Staff. Would you all like to give your presentation?

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>> good evening, commissioners, peter meyers, senior planner or staff.

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the item for consideration tonight is a variance to section 27-1326 b3 to increase

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the front yard perimeter wall height from 4-6 ft. Staff

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reviewed the applicant's requests and determined the application does not meet five of the seven criteria.

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I briefly go through the reasoning for each of the criteria that have not been met.

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criteria 1 states special conditions and circumstances exist which are peculiar to the land,

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structure or building, which is subject to the variance application, and which are not applicable to other land,

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structures, or buildings in the same zoning district. This criteria has not been satisfied since other buildings or neighboring properties,

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also front the maintenance building, which has a dense 35 foot buffer screen from the residential units.

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criteria number 2 states special conditions and circumstances do not result from the actions of the owner.

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since there aren't any special conditions and circumstances for criteria number 1,

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this criteria is not applicable. Criteria 3 states literal interpretation of the provisions of

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these land development regulations would deprive the owners of the rights commonly

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enjoyed by other properties in the same zoning district under the terms of these regulations and would cause unnecessary and undue hardship to the owner.

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this criteria has not been satisfied since the property is still able to be

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developed with a single family home and include a perimeter wall that meets the four foot height in the front yard,

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similar to other homes in the same zoning district. In addition, other properties on the street and the two adjacent properties

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that are also across the street from the maintenance facility do not have perimeter walls in the front yard.

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criteria number 4 states the variance granted is a minimum variance

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that will make possible the reasonable use of the land, building or structure.

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this criteria has not been satisfied since the property is still able to be developed with

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a single family home while meeting all the code requirements and setbacks.

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criteria 6 states the granting of the variance will be in harmony with the general intent and purpose of these land development regulations?

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this criteria has not been satisfied since granting of the variance will not be in harmony with

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the general intent and purpose of section 27-1326,

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fences, walls, and hedges. The intent of the regulation is to maintain a residential character

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by ensuring site visibility between a home front yards and a budding street.

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that's saving man time for your rebuttal. Thank you.

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>> thank you. Does the board have any questions for the applicant or the staff?

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>> I do have one question. They're allowed to build a four foot wall, but not a six foot wall, is that correct?

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only criteria that met of the seven are the two criteria that you mentioned here.

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like you, I also made a tour of the surrounding neighborhood and I didn't find any walls like we're talking about.

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there was one property that had a wall. Most of the properties that I saw had a hedge or columns in front,

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but no wall like we're talking about except with exception of one. That was a years old property.

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anything else they had? >> no, I also did a site visit, so that's why.

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>> other questions for either the applicant or the staff?

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are there any comments from the public? >> no.

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>> any comments or deliberation before we entertain a motion?

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>> well, I think we have seven criteria here and they've only met two,

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and there's been no rebuttal from the applicants portion, so I'd like to make a motion that we turn this motion down.

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>> all in favor. >> go ahead.

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>> agree. Very good. We have a motion to deny the application and to

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incorporate the staff's recommendations as the basis for denial. All those in favor?

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>> aye. >> any opposed? None. Item 2

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is a self storage facility regulation, and that they had requested to postpone this.

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could I have a motion to postpone. Did they give a date?

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no. Just an open. >> commissioner guisinger, I'll make a motion to postpone that item on

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the agenda to the self storage facility regulation.

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>> thank you. Commissioner guisinger, do I have a second? >> I'll second.

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>> was that beth? Commissioner kelso seconded. All those in favor?

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>> aye. >> any opposed? None. That passes unanimously.

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that will be postponed. Next item is flagler's wharf special exception with site plan application.

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do any of the board members have any ex parte disclosures?

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we'll start on the right this time. Commissioner blum?

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>> I have no disclosures. >> thank you. Commissioner kelso.

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>> I spoke with staff garrett watson about this.

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>> commissioner cassatly. >> I toured the property.

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>> commissioner dunning. >> I walked the property tour the property and talked with staff about this matter.

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>> I spoke with staff about the matter. >> commissioner guisinger?

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>> yeah. I visited the property and also talked with staff. >> thank you. Commissioner vinson.

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and commissioner keenan. Thank you.

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we'd like to hear from the applicant now.

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>> good evening. Before I start. I would like to request about 2-3 minutes max,

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additional time, if I could. Not really so much to talk about the site plan, but there are several conditions that we just need to go over.

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I'm going to have to talk fast enough as it is. I apologize for that already, but if I may run 2-3 minutes max if that's okay.

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>> let's see how things go and if you need it we'll consider it certainly.

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>> good evening. For the record, troy holloway with 2gho. We're here on behalf of index realty.

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we're bringing back to you tonight the flagler wharf project, which you saw last year.

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we're here seeking requests for use by right for a site plan approval to redevelop,

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the pre existing 2.95 acre bell's mobile home park with a two-story

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2,735 square foot waterfront cafe and a 1,230 square foot of covered outdoor dining,

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which is on the first floor and 2,745 square feet of professional office to be located on the second floor.

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we're also requesting a special exception to refurbish, reconfigure, and restore the existing 14 slip marina to a 12 slip marina.

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you all are very familiar with this project. It's on the northeast corner of alternatea1a and old jupiter beach road.

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just a quick history, this was bell's mobile home park. It consists of approximately 31 mobile homes and

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a 14 slip marina until index purchased it in 2016,

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and at that time, the town had requested that they relocate the residents and clean up the property,

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which they did right away. In 2019, they filed an application for a small scale pud for 85-bed alf and marina,

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which was recommended for denial. I think they pulled that application at that time.

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they did, after that had some initial discussions with the town to possibly rezone to residential,

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but the town expressed desire for commercial uses within this corridor.

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they began the process of a new project, which we brought in front of you in 20 they started that process in 2021,

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which was retail, medical, and professional office, accessory residential,

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a cafe, and then renovated marina. Their petition went in front of you this board in november 23,

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and received a recommendation for denial. The following month, we met again with the town to discuss alternatives to another plan,

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which we are showing you tonight. This plan is very familiar.

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some of you have seen this plan. Some of you are new, but the big thing missing here is

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the five-story office building with parking, which would be in the future development area at this point.

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we still have the two-story building, which would be the cafe on the first floor,

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office on the second floor, which will be fronting on the refurbished 12 slip marina.

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to the east, we have the vacant r1 zoning property, and this property will be accessed by two egress points.

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old jupiter beach road will be an ingress only, and then a1a will be ingress egress.

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we will be relocating two trees, a large, 48 inch live oak and 80 inch ficus down to the corner of a1a and old jupiter beach road.

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we'll also be removing and relocating the eight foot concrete sidewalk that currently abuts the curb on a1a into the property,

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and we'll be screening that with landscaping. Will have a six foot screen wall that will

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provide separation from the residential to the commercial. We'll also be providing a 12 foot drainage easement

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for the town that will provide storm water, outfall from old jupiter beach road into the river.

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this is the outdoor. We have a covered screen and gated outdoor delivery service area on the west side of the restaurant.

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this is a blow up of the restaurant, marina building.

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the yellow is the proposed covered outdoor dining, which for the most part,

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would face onto the marina and face onto the open green and the relocated oak and landscaped area.

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this building is pushed up to the 20 foot mark up to the property line.

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it's oriented, engaged with a1a, and it does provide for direct pedestrian access

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into the covered porch area of the structure. We are providing some historical signage in

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pedestrian amenities along a1a along the sidewalk. This is the bio swale that would be provided for

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the outfall from old jupiter beach road for the town. About a year or two ago,

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this property owner did provide an access easement as well or utility easement here, I'm sorry,

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or storm water outfall that took place under

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a1a and is taking outfall from old dixie highway across the street from a1a.

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again, that's our service area for the restaurant on the west side, and the marina itself.

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on the marina we have provided for upland transitional plantings for the complete perimeter of the marina itself along with mangroves as well.

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the total site area is 2.95 acres, which includes 0.38 of that is submerged.

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does have commercial land use, c2 zoning with that property,

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and it is within the center street a1a roa. Max building height for this is 34 feet two for the building proposed.

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maximum height for this property is 60 feet, or well below that.

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building lot coverage 7.1%, green space 53.2%.

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>> seventy parking spaces are required and we are currently providing 84.

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this is the architectural elevations. I think the architects did a great job.

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it actually has gotten better since the previous submittal. I think the building looks really nice.

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some of the details of that are full standing metal seam roof,

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wrap around covered porch on the first floor, second floor balconies, a lot of window openings,

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decorative tower elements, decorative lighting, rooftop dormers, decorative brackets,

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exposed rafter tails, decorative aluminum shutters, and second floor horizontal siding.

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this is a south elevation that would be facing the entry drive and the open future development.

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the first floor on the right hand side, this is all covered. This will be the covered outdoor dining office upstairs, and then to the left.

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that is the enclosed delivery area for the restaurant itself.

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these are the two ends of the building itself both of the east and west end,

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east end here on the left hand side, that would be the end facing the open green,

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the relocated tree, and the marina itself. This would be the covered outdoor dining in that area below.

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the one on the right is the west elevation that would be up on and engaging with a1a, facing a1a.

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again, both elevations I think they're beautiful. They've done a fantastic job with the relief of

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the building. We've got a couple renderings. The first one here is the southeast corner of the building,

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facing a parking entry drive here to left and facing the open green on the right again,

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this would be all covered outdoor dining. This is the north side of the building,

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facing the marina itself. Again, this would be all covered outdoor dining

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facing the marina and the second floor above with some balcony. Just want to go through some of the conditions of approval.

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we have a few conditions we'd like to discuss. The first one is condition 3)a)I,

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where the town is asking us to engage the first floor restaurant with a1a by

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providing an outdoor space with an entrance or an equivalent architectural feature,

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real windows, door, et cetera. We would just like to eliminate this condition if we can.

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we feel we really meet the intent of this condition. There are a lot of design principles and design theories,

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we have to meet within this roa. General planning principles.

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first one here is provide for the orientation of new buildings and their entrances, windows,

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and outdoor spaces such as these features front a1a, which we have done here.

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but it also requires that you provide all of your off street parking along the side and rear of the building which we have done,

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so it's separated and not visible from a1a. We also have to preserve accentuated enhanced views from

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the waterways by prohibiting the location of service areas and dumpsters abutting the waterways,

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which we have also done with our plan. It also requires that properties along a1a with direct access to

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the waterway shall be developed such that they engage the water, which we have also done as well.

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there's a lot of philosophies trying to work together here and we've done the best we can, we think.

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the other ones are just really about the site architecture.

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I think what we think the staff is looking for. We have taken the building, and we basically flipped it, we mirrored it.

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it's the same exact footprint, we just flipped it so that now the main entry is now on a1a.

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we still have the covered porch area there, but the entry faces and sits on a1a,

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which essentially is the furthest point from 90% of our parking, which is all to the east and to the south basically southeast of the building itself.

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this also now centers the delivery area, pretty much centers and on the marina.

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it now provides all of our seating for the most part on a1a,

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onto the access drive into the property, it really only buts about three of the marina slips itself.

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we find that just too close to a six lane divided highway,

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and it can be a real safety concern if you have children out there dining.

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again, the limited views of the marina to just three slips.

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of course, we have that nice green landscape open space,

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which would essentially not be viewed at all with this layout.

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there are several examples that we did look at. Indiantown road has a similar request in the ioz.

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this is one building that was recently put up the self storage building which has architectural features,

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pedestrian amenities, entry facing a1a, sorry, indiantown road, but it is not utilized.

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it is locked and unused. The office is actually on the south side of the building where the parking is.

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same situation with the chip and casewood, and the dunkin donuts as well.

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they all have beautiful entry features, pedestrian amenities, but they're just not

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utilized because the parking is on the opposite side of the building. Another condition here is 3)a)ii,

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redesign the location of the florida historic marker to create a seating area with pedestrian amenities and

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provide a view shed to the water so people can visualize the area of historic flagler's wharf.

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we would just like to replace the historic marker with a historic sign.

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I'm going to talk more about that here in a second. There's several conditions regarding the historic marker.

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condition 4)d)v, provide a historic marker adjacent to the sidewalk and

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relocate the historic interpreter sign under the property visible to patrons of the restaurant and marina.

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we would just like to remove or actually just modify this condition if we could. The owners do agree that they would pay for this historic marker.

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they would provide the easement that the town is looking for. They would just like to be able to work with the town and efforts

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of the town to apply for all the applications and

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the processes through the state and also work with maybe the historic board or somebody from

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the town has more historic knowledge than any of us do on that site. We've done haven't done historic markers,

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but we've done markers in the past and other properties where we've had assistance from the town in providing the language,

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and we have that put on the site.

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condition 5)a) revised the parking table on the site plan

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and statement of use to include the additional 446 square feet of restaurant use,

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which is labeled as covered delivery area. We would like to eliminate this condition as the code does not

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require parking for enclosed or partially enclosed restaurant delivery loading service areas.

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these areas are typically located at the back of the house, but in this instance, the back of the house is also

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our front of the house because there's really no back to this building. Enclosing and screening of this area has always been preferred,

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especially if covered from above with no parking required. We really have no choice but to screen this area.

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these are some examples of restaurants throughout the town. Some of them enclosed, some of them not.

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none of them require parking. Of course, enclosing them is always better than leaving them open.

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the most recent was our fisherman's wharf project, which is almost identical to this,

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which is completely covered on the top and sides and gated as well.

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I know it's almost fully enclosed, but it's not completely.

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there is an openings on the west elevation, and also on the south side,

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we have a lud gate and openings above the six foot wall, which are all open as well.

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then just some minor ones, condition 6)a)I revise the site plan to restrict the size of a vessels.

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doctor marina be limited to a length of 32 feet as measured the water line. We would just ask if we could request get that increase just three feet up to 35 feet.

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6)c), the 12 boat slips. That is just a repetitive condition.

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we're just asking that be removed. It's repetitive of the one above it.

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then conditions 8)b), all of these conditions, they all relate to the historic marker.

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again, we would just like that to be worded so that we could work with the town in getting this historic marker at that location.

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they have no problem paying for it and taking care of the easements and everything else, but we would like to work with the town and get their assistance on that.

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environmental benefits and enhancements of the property, south florida water management has permitted and stated that

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no adverse water quality impacts are anticipated as a result of the proposed project.

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no benthic resources or sea grasses currently exist in the area.

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the florida department of state division of historical resources indicates that no significant archaeological or historical resources are recorded in the projects area.

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there will be no liver boards allowed, no fueling or fish cleaning facilities will be allowed.

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there will be no commercial boats allowed in the marina. They'll be dredging up to four feet of silt and debris from that canal floor.

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the plan meets all complaint policies and provides for marina improvements concrete pilings to encourage oyster growth,

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provides required shoreline buffer from 100% of the marina along with mangroves.

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educational sitage will be provided throughout the marina. Increased flushing also occur through the slight widening.

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also with the line that was put into providing

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the stormwater outflow from old dixie provides about 41 million gallons of stormwater into that into this canal.

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against some more project benefits. Since purchasing the property, again,

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they have cleaned up this blighted and dilapidated property.

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they provided the town with an easement for the eliminate the storm issues on old dixie,

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they're providing the town with another 15 foot easement to alleviate the problems from old jupiter beach road.

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we'll be relocating the 48 inch live oak and the nice thing about moving that tree is it's too low

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currently and it's at risk of dying because it's so low and it's getting a lot of saltwater intrusion.

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we're going to move it and raise it about 4-5 feet. We'll provide safer pedestrian experiences by completely removing the sidewalk

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along a1a and moving into the property approximately eight feet and landscaping that.

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I provide a buffer for the pedestrians. We'll also be undergrounding the overhead wires along old jupiter beach road.

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again, refurbishing the marina.

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the other things I don't need to go over. Just in conclusion, palm beach county

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has they have determined that the proposed development meets the traffic performance standards.

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the marina improvements have current approvals from south florida and army corps of engineers.

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we provide numerous environmental enhancements that will benefit both marina and wildlife habitats on the property.

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we've cleaned up a very blighted and drug infected and derelict property.

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we're requesting no variances as the project meets all special exception and site plan review criteria

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is compliant with all zoning codes and complaint requirements. It provides a substantial increase number of taxes.

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we exceed the landscape plan and this high quality commercial development was that

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a new standard within this court. Thank you.

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>> thank you, staff.

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>> good evening, commissioner kern, members of the commission.

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my name is martin schneider. I'm with the towns planning and zoning department.

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as stated, the applications request is a special exception for

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the marina and a site plan for a 12 slip private marina restaurant with outdoor seating,

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and a second story office. I'm just going to hit on the significant issues.

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one was that the staff found the application not compliant with

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the town's land development regulations specifically as it relates to the center street,

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north alternate a 1a redevelopment overlay area,

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also known as roa. The applicant is requesting reduced setbacks,

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which can be granted by town council if the general principles of the roa are met for section 27_1759.

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the exact wording of these planning principles can be found on page 3_46 of your packet.

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the specific principle that it was not met is provide for the orientation of new buildings and their entrances,

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windows, and outdoor spaces, such that these features front alternate a1a.

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the use area that front alternate a1a, in version that the town saw and reviewed

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showed the covered deliver towards alternate a1a.

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if that's being flipped like the applicant showed,

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we would need to take a look at that to see if it meets the issues that we were trying to address with our conditions and comments.

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that was the first that I had seen that alternative where they flipped

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the covered area to the middle of the site,

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and it looks like it might have actual true entrances on the alternate a1a site.

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but if that's the case, we need to look at more detail and see if that does meet our criteria.

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staff, based on the version we saw the proposal,

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staff did not find that the proposal met the criteria was seeking direction to whether the proposal meets the intent and

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regulations of the roa or if the applicant should make revisions to address the roa prior to further public hearing.

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staff recommended a condition to address the building orientation and entrance concerns.

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the condition may need to be updated to ensure policy direction is met.

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also, like I said, there's a new floor plan shown, so we need to take a look at that and we would

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need time to look at that to see if that meets our concerns. The other part of the condition was condition

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3)a)2 not 3)a)4,

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the condition also recommends redesigning the location around the historic marker to open it up more for pedestrians to

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enjoy potentially benches and to thin out the landscaping there to

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provide views of the water that people can envision what it was like when it was flagler's wharf.

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the one of the conditions that we added was about having no vessels larger than 32 feet.

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troy has requested 35 feet. I don't know that we've had an opportunity to know

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if we'd be willing to accept that three feet increase, but the condition we had was for 32 feet.

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regarding the revising the parking table to include the covered delivery area,

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the area is roofed. It's under the second floor office space and it's enclosed by four walls and a gate.

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therefore, it meets the code definition for gross floor area and should be counted for parking.

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when that type of use is enclosed, it gives the restaurant more opportunity to have more space for seating and such inside.

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the result of the parking 446 square feet space

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would be an additional five parking spaces required. Currently, the site plan has 14 spaces more than required,

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so it would just be math on the site data on the site plan to change that.

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let's see. I'll let stephanie address if she wants

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about troy's request to work with the town as far as the wording on the conditions that dealt with the historic resources.

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but again, we were seeing the request just now.

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with that, I'll end my sum and seek commission's recommendation and direction on

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the proposed site plan special exception in site plan, and I can take any questions.

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I'll leave my remaining time for any rebuttal. Stephanie.

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>> good evening. Can you hear me? Just making sure. Stephanie thoburn,

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I'm the assistant director of planning and zoning. A couple of items that I wanted to address for staff,

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related to the redevelopment overlay area, the applicant had stated that there are other applications

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that were not required to meet general planning principles.

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well, the examples that they showed were on indiantown road and they are not in the center street,

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alternate a1a redevelopment overlay area. This is one of the first projects that is under that overlay that has come before you.

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we've had a few, but not all of them have been approved in this area.

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the roa is a new thing that has occurred that was adopted in 2010, 2009.

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I think the summary here is we want time to be able to review what the applicant

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saying related to the historic markers and the historic section of the conditions.

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it's important this property because there is

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so few physical remnants of history left in the town,

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physical, like the lighthouse, things that are tangible. There are so many things that are new.

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it is so important for us in this new redevelopment areas that we

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encompass what is historic and it's celebrated.

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one of the things that people should know is when you see a florida historic marker,

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and they're mostly in a visible location like from a road,

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that when you drive by it, it becomes this opportunity to see and stop.

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in this case, you would come back to the restaurant or if you're riding your bike or walking along,

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you would want to see what was there. We provided an aerial of the historic fec canal that's been there for over 100 years.

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you wouldn't know that that history existed and that this

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was the second center of town where flagler's railroad came.

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that's the train depot that we have in the sawfish bay park that was located in alternate a1a.

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at that time it was close to fec. It's important to have those monuments to get the visuals,

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and then to tell the story, which is why we requested an interpretive sign to be located next to the restaurant so

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that you could then see pictures and understand the story of

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how flagler's railway changed the town,

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which is an important aspect in any of these projects that we

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look at to ensure authenticity and not forget our past,

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that canal has been there for a long time,

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which is also why we want to make sure that any artifacts since they're going to be dredging four feet deep,

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that we have understood from the neighbor across the way that they found bottles and things like that from the railroad.

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we want to make sure that those things are incorporated into the project.

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in summary, we need a little bit of time to go over these items,

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work through some of the information that the applicant shared.

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the front of the building is interior of the subject property.

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it's heading south. That's the front of the building. The front of the building should also be to where

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the traveling public will be on alternate a1a,

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and it should not be just a screened off area where there is covered storage area and then a covered walkway that is along the side.

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that's what we're trying to convey. What the applicant showed may not be the only solution,

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but we would like to work that out. >> thank you, stephanie. We'll go to

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questions from the board for either the applicant or the staff. Commissioner blum, can we start with you?

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>> it just seems to me listening to both sides are world apart,

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that there is work that you guys need to do together to understand that.

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I certainly see what you're saying with the part that fronts a1a and that it does look very nice the way it's done.

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certainly you want your parking closer to the front door so resolving that,

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I certainly support that. But the historical stuff just seems like there's a bit of a divide yet.

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>> the historical part? >> well, in general, in the project.

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>> again, we fully agree there should be historic marker there and more seating.

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we have no issue with what they're looking for. We're just looking for assistance in the processing of that through the state of

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florida and the historic language or whatever they want to put on that sign.

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>> but not just that, how the front should look how it faces a1a, that feels like we're in two different places.

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>> anything else, commissioner blum? >> that's it. Thank you. >> commissioner kelso.

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>> yes. There we go. >> you just have to speak pretty closely to it.

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>> actually a couple of marina questions at first.

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it's going to be a private marina. There's no public boat access if someone

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couldn't bring their boat up to the property and [overlapping] >> no. There will not be any spaces leased to the restaurant.

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they'll strictly be leased privately.

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>> one thing it seems is we're working right now on approving this plan,

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but there are a lot of questions to the town council first. When I look at that, one is,

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are they going to accept alternate a1a as the frontage?

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two, part of changing the setback from 50-30 feet is part of the roa designation.

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the question is, what I'm hearing from the town

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is that they want this to be more like a walkable type of thing.

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I don't know if that's reasonable on alternate a1a, being a six lane road.

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that's quite a bit of traffic. I don't know if I'd want to sit and have dinner sitting on top of that.

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but I think these are questions that the town council has to come to us because to sit here and

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deliberate a lot of these little itty-bitty things when town council may come back and say,

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no, we want the frontage to be on the old jupiter road or because of the roa,

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we want this happening. >> steph, perhaps you all could speak to how do you "engage" a1a as the frontage?

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what would be different from what they're presenting that

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would be within that descriptor of engaging?

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>> it doesn't necessarily mean you have to sit on alternate a1a with outdoor seating.

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it's more of making sure there's openness,

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welcoming, not an outdoor service area that is abutting the street.

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there were some other examples that were in the staff report.

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it could also include having the office on the ground floor, that entrance facing.

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but really, you've got the outdoor loading delivery area that has a covered,

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and it looks great. Don't get me wrong. I think the architect did a great job fronting all of

406
00:42:59,250 --> 00:42:59,250
that porch element and all of those decorations on the front elevation.

407
00:43:06,570 --> 00:43:09,450
but the roa is to do more than that. The reason why the roa was adopted was because this was

408
00:43:13,020 --> 00:43:13,020
the downtown of jupiter back in the early '20s,

409
00:43:18,570 --> 00:43:21,165
'30s, when the railroad came. To block that off and to not have that openness and welcomeness that

410
00:43:27,600 --> 00:43:27,600
is part of the canal and what this area was is what we're looking at.

411
00:43:35,060 --> 00:43:35,060
this is the first time we've seen this picture that's up there.

412
00:43:39,105 --> 00:43:42,435
it looks really tight to alternate a1a. I'm not sure if it meets setbacks.

413
00:43:44,505 --> 00:43:47,820
we weren't talking about doing this. We actually were talking about having the oak tree along

414
00:43:51,195 --> 00:43:51,195
alternate a1a so that there's more of an openness towards there.

415
00:43:56,295 --> 00:43:56,295
there's a disconnect with what we've discussed and what you're being shown tonight,

416
00:44:02,235 --> 00:44:04,440
which is why in summary, we'd like the opportunity to work some of it out.

417
00:44:07,970 --> 00:44:11,045
as far as the historic stuff, we're not asking for the applicant to do all the research,

418
00:44:15,560 --> 00:44:18,305
but we'd like them to give their best efforts, but particularly as it relates to permissions for photos and things like that.

419
00:44:24,065 --> 00:44:26,885
that's what we're talking about. >> well, I think there's some good points on both sides,

420
00:44:29,750 --> 00:44:29,750
but I really think the salient point is having the council come back as she's saying,

421
00:44:34,890 --> 00:44:37,930
the roa is something new and where we're trying to get to. I think that direction is very important to really how we direct where it's going,

422
00:44:42,230 --> 00:44:43,940
especially if there's another option out there that maybe staff and the applicant can work out.

423
00:44:46,475 --> 00:44:46,475
>> perhaps we can focus the questions on some specific.

424
00:44:52,575 --> 00:44:55,485
I've got a couple of specific questions, but as you said, it seems like there's a lot of dialogue that has to

425
00:44:57,840 --> 00:45:00,030
happen between the staff and the applicant. >> exactly. That's it.

426
00:45:03,120 --> 00:45:05,960
>> commissioner cassatly. >> thank you. First of all, I commend the staff

427
00:45:08,730 --> 00:45:11,040
and the developer for working back and forth. This is a big change from a five story building back in november,

428
00:45:14,490 --> 00:45:16,615
I think you said of 2023. I think that down the road,

429
00:45:18,800 --> 00:45:22,790
I don't know what we're really going to vote on tonight other than to talk further and give the staff time to study this new version that you gave us with the area flipped.

430
00:45:27,745 --> 00:45:30,360
I would like to express some of my concerns. Little concerned about what the future area is going to be that will be developed,

431
00:45:33,960 --> 00:45:35,685
what your thoughts are on that? >> they're not really sure. We haven't looked at office.

432
00:45:38,160 --> 00:45:38,160
we've also looked at potential for pickle ball and it's called padel courts.

433
00:45:46,440 --> 00:45:48,300
we've done some layouts with that, maybe doing a little a sports club thing with just those play courts out there.

434
00:45:53,730 --> 00:45:57,645
they really aren't sure right now. They don't really have a user for the properties. They just want to get this restaurant,

435
00:45:59,640 --> 00:46:02,235
that's personal for them. They want to get this up and running.

436
00:46:04,860 --> 00:46:08,280
>> if there will not be any boats that will be able to come to the restaurant as a customer.

437
00:46:11,310 --> 00:46:13,440
how much noise do you see coming from that? Because I guess I have three concerns overall.

438
00:46:15,600 --> 00:46:17,730
one is preserving the environment. Second is preserving the history and making sure that's a reminder for everyone.

439
00:46:21,990 --> 00:46:25,440
the third would be the noise for the residents and how that's going to upset them. We've had problems in the past with other structures,

440
00:46:28,470 --> 00:46:31,200
restaurants that have had some lawsuits going back and forth and we'd like to not see that happen.

441
00:46:34,125 --> 00:46:36,180
>> noise from the restaurant itself? >> yeah. >> there's conditions in here that they have to close the outdoor and

442
00:46:39,510 --> 00:46:42,870
cannot be seated outdoor after ten o'clock or seated after 9:00. They have no problem with any of that.

443
00:46:45,830 --> 00:46:48,540
obviously you can sell to anyone down the road, but they're going to be running it themselves.

444
00:46:50,160 --> 00:46:50,160
there's no intentions for this to be any a wild and crazy restaurant.

445
00:46:54,495 --> 00:46:54,495
>> what do you see for the marina specifically in terms of the noise if it's

446
00:46:59,130 --> 00:46:59,130
going to be a permanent boat slips for 35 foot boat you're proposing?

447
00:47:03,465 --> 00:47:05,535
>> max. But again, they're going to be leased to private owners.

448
00:47:08,250 --> 00:47:10,290
in the standards in the industry, everything I've seen, we've done a lot of research on it.

449
00:47:12,360 --> 00:47:15,900
our 10% of the boats are used on a daily basis. That's going to be like two boats a day.

450
00:47:18,945 --> 00:47:22,065
if you go to any marina, even on the weekends, they're never empty. They're always full of boats.

451
00:47:24,495 --> 00:47:26,370
I'm not a boat owner myself, and everybody says boat owners never get to use their boats.

452
00:47:29,835 --> 00:47:33,525
their biggest complaint. There shouldn't be much noise there. >> what about the maintenance of the boats,

453
00:47:34,980 --> 00:47:37,125
and if I'm not mistaken, there's no fixed bridge, they can be rather tall, those boats.

454
00:47:39,540 --> 00:47:42,630
>> the boats, you're not going to get in a boat in there too large itself because of the depth of the water.

455
00:47:46,155 --> 00:47:49,530
it's a dead end so they've got to do a u turn, they've got to spin the boat around across from that canal.

456
00:47:52,515 --> 00:47:55,605
they've also got a marginal dock and a boat that sits there as well. It's going to be self limiting on the size of the boat you

457
00:48:00,150 --> 00:48:01,740
can get in there because you've only got so much north south dimension there to turn your boat in.

458
00:48:06,440 --> 00:48:09,510
>> I would just be concerned about those areas as you both talk back and forth about the environment,

459
00:48:11,955 --> 00:48:11,955
preserving the history and the residence disturbance.

460
00:48:17,720 --> 00:48:20,370
>> thank you. Commissioner dunning. >> thank you. As has been mentioned before,

461
00:48:24,795 --> 00:48:28,515
a very nice design has come a long way since we first sought from the five story to the two story very nicely done.

462
00:48:33,120 --> 00:48:35,205
having a little problem here. Well, I know that we said staff has recommended 32 foot boats,

463
00:48:41,295 --> 00:48:45,195
and you're saying 35 foot. Why the difference? >> well, because we've talked to the marina designers who is iso minger and associates,

464
00:48:51,450 --> 00:48:51,450
and they've told us the limit the max boat that they can get in there and of course,

465
00:48:56,115 --> 00:48:59,220
when these lease out, of course, they lease by the foot. The largest boat that they can get in is what they would like to be able

466
00:49:02,370 --> 00:49:05,085
to put into this marina. Again, it's self limiting. You can't put a 50 foot boat.

467
00:49:07,755 --> 00:49:11,250
you're not going to get to spin around, you're just not going to get it down that canal. >> I hear that staff needs more time to evaluate that proposal, is that correct?

468
00:49:18,290 --> 00:49:21,270
we heard before, noise, there is no outdoor music that's going to be

469
00:49:23,550 --> 00:49:26,940
playing that the neighbors might [overlapping] >> no. I'm sure they'll probably have some minor just atmosphere music, but again,

470
00:49:31,470 --> 00:49:35,370
this is just going to be mostly a lunch cafe, probably early evening and stuff,

471
00:49:37,230 --> 00:49:37,230
but it's not going to be a utk by any means.

472
00:49:41,505 --> 00:49:45,390
>> as far as I don't think there's anyone here from the neighbors, have you heard any complaints or issues?

473
00:49:47,710 --> 00:49:49,230
>> no, we have a couple meetings with the neighbors, and they're all very much in favor of this development.

474
00:49:52,560 --> 00:49:55,880
I've had no complaints. >> back to the historical markings,

475
00:49:58,440 --> 00:50:00,960
you were asking the town work with you on that. Has there been a problem before on that or what? [overlapping]

476
00:50:05,370 --> 00:50:09,060
>> no just a lot to deal with and processing through the state. Again, with the language.

477
00:50:10,470 --> 00:50:12,705
we've done these in the past, not a historical marker. We've done markers for celestial way.

478
00:50:16,890 --> 00:50:20,520
the town worked with us. They gave us the language to put on the markers, that way, we just take the language and put it on there.

479
00:50:23,280 --> 00:50:23,280
it just makes it a lot easier that we're doing exactly what the town wants to see.

480
00:50:28,560 --> 00:50:28,560
stephanie is very knowledgeable about the history of this area,

481
00:50:33,180 --> 00:50:33,180
which there's a lot, but I'm not as knowledgeable.

482
00:50:38,120 --> 00:50:38,120
>> the hardest part for us is to get permissions for photos and we'd also like

483
00:50:48,180 --> 00:50:48,180
some input from the property owner so that

484
00:50:53,400 --> 00:50:55,650
they can be partners in researching the history that goes on with the property that they own.

485
00:50:58,545 --> 00:51:01,905
then we will take that information and we will truth it. We will go to

486
00:51:02,940 --> 00:51:02,940
the loxahatchee river historical society and make sure there isn't any additional things.

487
00:51:08,070 --> 00:51:11,010
but it will definitely be a partnership, but we don't want all of the work to be put on us in order to produce

488
00:51:16,485 --> 00:51:19,170
interpretive signs and in order to do all of the processing and getting all the permissions.

489
00:51:22,620 --> 00:51:26,080
we want a partner in working with it. >> as was mentioned before,

490
00:51:29,960 --> 00:51:33,050
there's a lot of stuff that we still don't know about on here, that staff has to review the boat lengths, and we heard,

491
00:51:37,175 --> 00:51:40,595
as my colleagues mentioned the building orientation, which way it's going to be orientated and how that's going to work out.

492
00:51:44,255 --> 00:51:45,920
and to be honest with you, I don't really don't know how to vote on something with all these things

493
00:51:48,890 --> 00:51:52,205
that are out there that the staff hasn't had a chance to look at. So I'm looking for direction on that.

494
00:51:55,145 --> 00:51:58,550
>> if I could throw it out. We would be happy to sit down, if you did move us forward,

495
00:51:59,810 --> 00:51:59,810
we'd be happy to sit down with staff and try to work through still some of the building,

496
00:52:04,310 --> 00:52:07,160
whether it can be flipped and whether it will work. And we didn't get these conditions until wednesday afternoon before the whole holiday.

497
00:52:13,295 --> 00:52:16,715
we didn't have a lot of time ourselves, so none of us had a lot of time to work on it. And we have looked at some options of flipping it and pushing it back,

498
00:52:20,270 --> 00:52:23,900
but then it didn't engage a1a, so maybe those are the kind of things we can sit down with staff and see what will work for them as well.

499
00:52:26,180 --> 00:52:30,050
>> this is not a criticism. The staff does an outstanding job and everything, but I feel reluctant to try to vote on something

500
00:52:34,160 --> 00:52:34,160
when we haven't heard the town's full feel on this,

501
00:52:38,480 --> 00:52:40,055
how they respond to it. That's pretty much all I have to say.

502
00:52:42,605 --> 00:52:45,590
>> thank you commissioner. Commissioner guisinger. >> just a couple of questions. I understand the difference between the roa,

503
00:52:50,330 --> 00:52:50,330
between town road and center street north alternate a1a.

504
00:52:55,640 --> 00:52:55,640
but a question, the examples the applicant gave along indian town road,

505
00:53:00,245 --> 00:53:03,365
those appear to be real entrances you provide, they're just maybe locked, is that true?

506
00:53:05,840 --> 00:53:09,500
>> correct. Well, they're locked and they're not utilized. They use the south entrance. >> yeah, but still they could be used.

507
00:53:11,450 --> 00:53:14,045
they're just locked doors, I would assume right now, as opposed to what you're proposing right now?

508
00:53:17,390 --> 00:53:19,400
>> no, the storage facility, their office is completely on the opposite side of the building.

509
00:53:21,725 --> 00:53:24,290
>> but that's an entrance that can be opened. >> I don't know. It's totally empty. When you look in the door,

510
00:53:26,450 --> 00:53:29,565
it's just a vacant space. It's not the office, it's a long way up. >> I understand that, but it's a real door.

511
00:53:31,505 --> 00:53:35,030
>> sure. >> okay. >> it can go into something. >> same thing with dunkin' donuts. I think that's a real door. That's a back.

512
00:53:36,890 --> 00:53:40,385
>> yeah, chipotle is their service door. Those are the service entrance. >> I just want to make sure that distinction that they were real not as opposed to faux,

513
00:53:44,630 --> 00:53:44,630
which is I think what we got proposed in front of us today relative to the restaurant.

514
00:53:49,205 --> 00:53:52,040
the windows and doors aren't real; is that correct? >> correct. We couldn't have been real in this lockdown.

515
00:53:54,650 --> 00:53:57,485
>> and I would applaud you. I do like the fact that the traffic has been removed from old jupiter beach road.

516
00:54:01,435 --> 00:54:03,190
now it's just an entrance there, two entrances, and you don't have a lot of exit traffic,

517
00:54:05,920 --> 00:54:08,530
which then crowds that intersection for the people who live back, the residents back behind. Jupiter beach road.

518
00:54:10,825 --> 00:54:13,225
so I do like that changed. Other question. The right page here?

519
00:54:20,320 --> 00:54:23,885
is there any plan? I did not see in your landscape. Are you on landscape the back side of the screen wall, the six foot?

520
00:54:29,030 --> 00:54:32,150
is that just the west side of that? >> only on commercial side [overlapping].

521
00:54:33,200 --> 00:54:34,610
>> commercial side, okay. >> and the rest that just let it grow naturally like it has been,

522
00:54:37,340 --> 00:54:40,610
but it will be maintained to some degree? >> yeah. There's no. It's a vacant property. There's no proposed use for it yet.

523
00:54:42,005 --> 00:54:44,750
that would be landscaped when they come in for it. >> when is construction,

524
00:54:46,730 --> 00:54:46,730
if approved, what's your timeline to start construction?

525
00:54:50,810 --> 00:54:52,730
>> it would probably take them six months, I would guess to get through plans and permitting.

526
00:54:55,160 --> 00:54:55,160
>> is that after the bridge is complete? Us1 bridge.

527
00:55:01,730 --> 00:55:01,730
>> november is when the one lane each way is going to be opened.

528
00:55:07,235 --> 00:55:10,340
so that's the first phase. >> so that'll alleviate some traffic on. >> some but then it's like early 2026 is when they're looking at the completion.

529
00:55:17,435 --> 00:55:20,510
>> the reason why I ask, I'm just worried about once construction starts, maybe in six months, what are your plan ingress and egress to the property?

530
00:55:24,515 --> 00:55:24,515
is it off old jupiter beach road or will be alternate a1a?

531
00:55:29,255 --> 00:55:32,825
I'm trying to limit the traffic on old jupiter beach road. >> sure, the residents would prefer it on a1a.

532
00:55:35,765 --> 00:55:35,765
they'll do it wherever the residents for the town would prefer.

533
00:55:41,230 --> 00:55:41,230
>> let's see if I have all of my questions mr. Dunning asked.

534
00:55:46,580 --> 00:55:49,385
I think a lot. That's all I have. Thank you. >> thank you. Commissioner vinson.

535
00:55:54,090 --> 00:55:58,060
>> questions? >> okay. >> can you hear me? >> not quite.

536
00:56:01,840 --> 00:56:05,375
>> do the advertisement. Can you hear me now? >> yeah. >> I feel like that mostly everybody already asked all the questions I had.

537
00:56:10,280 --> 00:56:10,280
I agree that I feel that I don't know how I can make a vote on this tonight.

538
00:56:15,560 --> 00:56:18,740
I feel like that there needs to be a lot more talking between the town and the proposal to clear things up.

539
00:56:21,710 --> 00:56:23,840
there's a lot of changes presented tonight. Town needs time to have the discussion.

540
00:56:26,300 --> 00:56:30,020
I don't see why the town wouldn't work with you on the historical markers. But again, they just don't want to bear the brunt of it. That's all I have.

541
00:56:35,540 --> 00:56:39,130
>> thank you. Mr. Kirn. >> why not just eliminate all access from south beach road completely?

542
00:56:44,390 --> 00:56:44,390
why not just take it out completely?

543
00:56:49,990 --> 00:56:53,885
>> well, it helps a lot too for service vehicles. They can just come in one way and go out the other way,

544
00:56:56,720 --> 00:57:00,455
otherwise, you've got a one way in one way out. Fire likes to have two entrance points all the time as well.

545
00:57:05,060 --> 00:57:07,085
there's no issue coming in. Their issue on old jupiter beach road is making left hand,

546
00:57:10,895 --> 00:57:12,890
southbound turns on a1 a. There's already an issue with that out there I understand already.

547
00:57:16,775 --> 00:57:20,675
we're not adding to the problem. Coming in, there's no issue at all. The residents have no issue coming in there.

548
00:57:22,640 --> 00:57:26,300
it's they didn't want any more traffic at all onto that road. >> well, there's not an issue coming in unless the outbound is backed up and then

549
00:57:31,400 --> 00:57:33,770
you can't get the inbound into your parking lot and then the inbound gets backed up. That's why I'm asking.

550
00:57:36,980 --> 00:57:39,560
>> I think it gets backed up that far. >> it depends on the time of day.

551
00:57:43,210 --> 00:57:43,210
your marina leases for the boat slips, seasonal?

552
00:57:50,405 --> 00:57:50,405
>> I don't know if they've got the leases made up yet. I'm not sure how they have.

553
00:57:54,695 --> 00:57:57,815
>> what time term are they looking at? >> time frame?

554
00:57:59,420 --> 00:57:59,420
>> annual, seasonal, monthly?

555
00:58:04,660 --> 00:58:04,660
>> as far as lease, would they be one year leases or?

556
00:58:09,230 --> 00:58:09,230
yes, for the marina. They haven't done those yet,

557
00:58:16,190 --> 00:58:17,705
I guess. Possibly annual? >> annual, okay.

558
00:58:22,360 --> 00:58:25,880
>> just a quick question for staff. The roa principles that we're talking about,

559
00:58:29,765 --> 00:58:33,350
I think you mentioned, they were formulated around 2010, which makes them a little dusty at this point.

560
00:58:37,690 --> 00:58:37,690
is it possible that there is some give and take with respect to [overlapping].

561
00:58:46,370 --> 00:58:48,290
>> commissioner kirn, put the mic. >> there is some give and take with respect to those roa requirements.

562
00:58:52,430 --> 00:58:56,015
in other words, in this case, I saw the applicant has made an effort to make an appearance that complies with it

563
00:58:58,250 --> 00:59:01,850
while not literally complying with the roa principles. And frankly, there were some good points made earlier about the fact

564
00:59:06,080 --> 00:59:06,080
that this isn't exactly a pedestrian friendly area

565
00:59:11,225 --> 00:59:13,160
where people are going to walk in off the street. I know that was the concept that they were thinking about in 2010,

566
00:59:16,220 --> 00:59:16,220
but the reality is it is a multi lane highway.

567
00:59:20,240 --> 00:59:22,760
it just doesn't make sense. As a practical matter, you have a parking lot,

568
00:59:25,355 --> 00:59:29,240
know you're going to leave the parking lot, you're going to walk towards the busy street. There's a lot of questions there that just don't make sense to me.

569
00:59:32,885 --> 00:59:35,840
I get the concept when they originally did it, but I don't think it would work today.

570
00:59:37,985 --> 00:59:37,985
>> well, we always strive to do better than the six lane highway.

571
00:59:44,105 --> 00:59:44,105
we're not trying to walk along make alternate a1a pedestrian friendly,

572
00:59:50,015 --> 00:59:50,015
but we're trying to make the front of the building truly face alternate a1a.

573
00:59:57,230 --> 00:59:57,230
and the redevelopment overlay area for

574
01:00:01,760 --> 01:00:01,760
center street and alternate a1a is a strategic priority in which the council has

575
01:00:07,220 --> 01:00:07,220
directed staff to make changes to this roa which we are bringing

576
01:00:13,885 --> 01:00:13,885
changes to the roa to make it mandatory and that those changes we'll be working on,

577
01:00:21,590 --> 01:00:23,990
those coming in the fall and they'll be brought to you sometime like october in the last quarter of this year.

578
01:00:28,820 --> 01:00:28,820
so since the roa was adopted in 2009,

579
01:00:35,750 --> 01:00:35,750
2010, it was a voluntary incentive-based regulation, a guideline.

580
01:00:44,765 --> 01:00:48,755
and now the council is looking at it as, we want more character,

581
01:00:50,840 --> 01:00:52,820
we want to embrace our history, and that's why they've asked staff through the strategic priority to make

582
01:00:56,840 --> 01:00:56,840
this redevelopment overlay area a mandatory regulation versus incentive base.

583
01:01:04,025 --> 01:01:06,245
so I agree with you, not necessarily pedestrian friendly.

584
01:01:08,645 --> 01:01:12,575
I have walked along alternate a1a on several occasions, but usually when the holiday parade is going,

585
01:01:16,160 --> 01:01:16,160
or I'm walking from dune dog to sawfish bay, that thing.

586
01:01:20,300 --> 01:01:20,300
but we're striving to push the sidewalk off of the travel lane, plant,

587
01:01:26,915 --> 01:01:26,915
separate the pedestrian and make it safer so that people do feel

588
01:01:31,760 --> 01:01:31,760
comfortable walking along just like we do on indiantown road.

589
01:01:36,950 --> 01:01:40,565
there are places along indiantown road where we've separated the sidewalk. And if you've ever walked along indiantown road,

590
01:01:44,195 --> 01:01:47,390
those places where we've pushed the sidewalk are significantly different than those where they're right next to it.

591
01:01:50,810 --> 01:01:54,080
there's a lot of things we can do from a design standpoint. And we just want time to come back to you.

592
01:02:00,070 --> 01:02:00,070
>> thank you. Just a couple of quick questions that are pretty germane.

593
01:02:04,865 --> 01:02:07,310
I'm curious, is there a reason you couldn't extend the dining area across the entire back of the building,

594
01:02:11,375 --> 01:02:13,700
back being the marina facing as opposed to just a portion of it and curve it around one of the corners?

595
01:02:22,740 --> 01:02:26,500
>> with the current plan you're talking about? >> yeah. Either plan. Is there a reason you don't take that all the way along the back?

596
01:02:30,235 --> 01:02:33,040
>> first of all, she wants it to be a small cafe. I don't really want seating out there,

597
01:02:36,710 --> 01:02:40,630
but if we put seating out there, that's just more parking. >> my other question is regarding closing hours.

598
01:02:46,370 --> 01:02:48,830
so I know it said you don't see after 9:00, and it closes at 10:00.

599
01:02:50,420 --> 01:02:54,125
I'm wondering as someone who goes out to eat, do you tell people they can't sit there after ten o'clock?

600
01:02:57,290 --> 01:03:00,725
how do you close that area after ten o'clock? >> I think the way it's worded,

601
01:03:02,615 --> 01:03:04,580
if you don't sat anybody after 9:00. So nine o'clock would be the cutoff date to sit someone outside.

602
01:03:07,745 --> 01:03:09,515
if somebody came at 9:15, they have to sit inside.

603
01:03:12,430 --> 01:03:15,740
>> then I guess this is a question for staff. I'm wondering about the parking code with regard to the enclosed service area.

604
01:03:20,330 --> 01:03:22,760
having worked in restaurants for quite a bit, I'm wondering what use could occur in

605
01:03:28,400 --> 01:03:31,640
that covered area that would be different from a non enclosed area that would require parking.

606
01:03:40,060 --> 01:03:42,230
we don't require parking, I guess under the gross floor area for

607
01:03:44,900 --> 01:03:44,900
outdoor enclosed service areas that kept dumpsters in them and stuff like that.

608
01:03:50,600 --> 01:03:50,600
what are we anticipating could occur if this was fully enclosed,

609
01:03:55,625 --> 01:03:58,475
that would create additional parking? >> basically, I mean, it would result in I would expect it will be a storage area.

610
01:04:04,580 --> 01:04:07,100
it would otherwise be stored within the gross floor area if there wasn't a covered protected area.

611
01:04:10,730 --> 01:04:14,525
>> so we're not envisioning this is like an area where they would have the dumpster? >> no. Or the compactor.

612
01:04:16,160 --> 01:04:19,085
>> dumpster's across the dry pile. This is a delivery area.

613
01:04:21,485 --> 01:04:24,965
I know if you look at any place like lucky shucks, they have like an outdoor area and you consistently see racks and delivery items that are

614
01:04:30,740 --> 01:04:33,800
stored there and they're stored there for extended periods of instead of bringing them in the building.

615
01:04:37,805 --> 01:04:41,360
it's just once you start to cover it, that use would become more permanent. We would anticipate.

616
01:04:46,715 --> 01:04:50,705
>> thank you. >> that's all I have. >> sure. >> one question, one response.

617
01:04:52,580 --> 01:04:52,580
so when we talked with the applicant about the outdoor seating,

618
01:04:57,395 --> 01:04:59,090
I think your point is valid, was we were actually looking at how the outdoor seating along

619
01:05:03,050 --> 01:05:03,050
the front could be along the back so that it doesn't increase parking.

620
01:05:07,280 --> 01:05:09,875
so good just point. >> thank you. So I think that finishes up our questions for the applicant or staff.

621
01:05:16,220 --> 01:05:20,075
do we have any comments from the public? >> yes. We have one comment card. If I can have mr. Matt sapowski step to the podium.

622
01:05:24,080 --> 01:05:24,080
state your name and address for the record. You have three minutes?

623
01:05:28,570 --> 01:05:31,100
>> good evening. My name is matt sapowski. I live at 109 old jupiter beach road.

624
01:05:33,290 --> 01:05:37,220
it puts me on the same canal as this property. A couple of things that pop out to me.

625
01:05:41,195 --> 01:05:44,675
main concern or one area of concern, to me, it's a pretty naturally sensitive area.

626
01:05:47,780 --> 01:05:50,960
pretty incredible on that canal. There's manatees. There is a family of otters at one point,

627
01:05:53,060 --> 01:05:53,060
sea turtles and stingrays.

628
01:05:58,025 --> 01:05:58,025
it's a pretty incredible canal in terms of what you see in it as canals go.

629
01:06:03,470 --> 01:06:03,470
so that actually then leads into the way that the canals used right now.

630
01:06:08,030 --> 01:06:09,305
it's a pretty quiet canal. There's probably six or seven boats on that canal,

631
01:06:12,740 --> 01:06:15,470
maybe a few more, but it's relatively quiet. It's a den end canal.

632
01:06:16,895 --> 01:06:19,010
what really happens that I think the city has done a good job of spending a lot of money in this area.

633
01:06:21,440 --> 01:06:21,440
the soil islands that you have placed and developed as picnic areas and beaches.

634
01:06:28,460 --> 01:06:28,460
a lot of people paddle in that area and they come down our canal occasionally.

635
01:06:32,825 --> 01:06:32,825
but it's probably one of the quietest waterways in jupiter, a safe space.

636
01:06:38,180 --> 01:06:41,630
if you're going to paddle with your kids, you're going to go kayaking, number 1, you're not going to have a lot of boat activity.

637
01:06:44,030 --> 01:06:46,100
number 2, the boat activity that you're going to run into is going to be moving very slowly.

638
01:06:50,350 --> 01:06:54,140
even one of the reasons I bought a house in that area, I knew my kids could go.

639
01:06:55,520 --> 01:06:55,520
it's a no way zone area and they could boat safely without any a headache.

640
01:06:59,795 --> 01:06:59,795
you've developed that area so that people can paddle in and around that area,

641
01:07:05,150 --> 01:07:05,150
and if all of a sudden you put a 12 foot marina and a restaurant marina on the water,

642
01:07:12,320 --> 01:07:15,290
it dramatically changes the use of that canal and the impact of all the residents on that canal.

643
01:07:19,415 --> 01:07:19,415
I think you've done a lot of work to try to make it a neat area and I think it is.

644
01:07:24,080 --> 01:07:24,080
all of a sudden, putting a bar restaurant at the end of that canal changes

645
01:07:29,330 --> 01:07:29,330
that plus a 12 slip marina is going to have a pretty major impact as well.

646
01:07:39,280 --> 01:07:42,890
my concerns is that whoever owns the bar restaurant now might not be who owns it in the future.

647
01:07:46,115 --> 01:07:47,720
once it's there, it's there. Once a 12 slip marina goes in, it's there.

648
01:07:50,870 --> 01:07:53,210
it's a 32 foot boat now. Who's going to come in regulate that?

649
01:07:56,285 --> 01:08:00,245
who's going to come and check up and go, okay, wait, now it's a 35 foot boat. That's a 40 foot boat. The reality is is there's not enough waterways in jupiter.

650
01:08:05,180 --> 01:08:07,265
I know that boat storage is a problem. All you got to do is go into the cinquez and you're going to see a whole lot

651
01:08:10,040 --> 01:08:12,905
of boat rental areas, and people are looking for that space.

652
01:08:16,445 --> 01:08:19,325
you just doubled the capacity on that canal. You just doubled the traffic.

653
01:08:21,170 --> 01:08:23,255
I talked to neighbors on that canal. We're not okay with the idea of a bar restaurant or a marina or a 12 slip marina.

654
01:08:27,815 --> 01:08:30,840
I'm not sure that they know that the meeting is going on. I didn't know about it until this morning.

655
01:08:32,830 --> 01:08:36,400
and so as a result, I think that has a profound impact. Putting utk at the end of a residential canal is not something I'm interested in.

656
01:08:41,220 --> 01:08:45,155
it has a profound impact on the values of every home owner on that canal. So that would be my input.

657
01:08:47,420 --> 01:08:47,420
>> thank you.

658
01:08:56,620 --> 01:09:00,500
>> any comments or deliberation before we entertain your motion? I guess we ought to think if we're trying to proceed.

659
01:09:06,485 --> 01:09:06,485
maybe I could get some guidance from john. Did you fill out a card?

660
01:09:22,090 --> 01:09:24,590
>> my name is rodrick nassef, 200 egan fusky,

661
01:09:27,460 --> 01:09:27,460
cross the street from matt down two houses.

662
01:09:31,580 --> 01:09:33,695
yes, this will directly impact us. You guys, one thing they're not commenting on is one that canal is very shallow,

663
01:09:37,700 --> 01:09:40,325
so they're going to have to do a lot of extensive dredging. My other concern is the egress and egress out to the intercoastal.

664
01:09:46,370 --> 01:09:50,090
we as a community have been paying to have that dredged. Now we're going to put a commercial area in there.

665
01:09:52,475 --> 01:09:54,620
plus, as matt alluded to, there's a lot of paddle borders that are around there.

666
01:09:57,800 --> 01:09:57,800
getting from our canal out to the intercoastal,

667
01:10:02,045 --> 01:10:02,045
we run into, I call them gangs of paddle borders.

668
01:10:07,460 --> 01:10:07,460
unless we get a better situated canal to get in and out of that canal,

669
01:10:13,985 --> 01:10:17,435
someone's going to get hurt. Someone's going to get ran over, there's going to be a problem.

670
01:10:19,340 --> 01:10:23,150
when you put another 12 boats, slip marina back there, it's going to be an issue.

671
01:10:24,995 --> 01:10:27,230
the dredging needs to be assessed, a proper canal needs to be assessed,

672
01:10:29,840 --> 01:10:32,390
and how we're going to continue doing that. >> thank you.

673
01:10:36,280 --> 01:10:39,740
>> I have a question. >> go ahead. >> does anybody know prior to them taking down

674
01:10:43,040 --> 01:10:43,040
the mobile home development that was there and they had boat slips there,

675
01:10:47,570 --> 01:10:50,120
what was the boat slip situation then? Was there a size?

676
01:10:51,755 --> 01:10:51,755
how many boat slips were there?

677
01:10:56,230 --> 01:10:59,525
>> when the mobile home park was in, there were smaller boats.

678
01:11:02,990 --> 01:11:05,990
when we looked on the aerials, they weren't large boats.

679
01:11:07,715 --> 01:11:07,715
but also part of it was because of the existing state of the docks.

680
01:11:13,745 --> 01:11:17,600
they weren't brand new. You had smaller boats.

681
01:11:19,190 --> 01:11:22,505
they were 30 footers, less. There was a couple of commercial boats in there;

682
01:11:29,200 --> 01:11:29,200
not charter boats, but fishing boats,

683
01:11:33,470 --> 01:11:34,910
commercial fishermen in there. >> was there any former regulation or guidelines,

684
01:11:38,360 --> 01:11:40,265
and do you know how many slips were there? >> there were 14 slips there at one time.

685
01:11:43,295 --> 01:11:46,240
>> were they normally full? >> we can go back and look at it,

686
01:11:48,890 --> 01:11:48,890
but it was haphazard because of the state of the docks that were there.

687
01:11:53,810 --> 01:11:53,810
a lot of them were side 2, so it varied.

688
01:11:58,835 --> 01:12:01,325
>> so there were no real regulations before? >> we didn't have anything.

689
01:12:08,645 --> 01:12:12,215
we can go back and look to see what we had in terms of permits, but there were regulations,

690
01:12:14,210 --> 01:12:14,210
we just need to take a look at all of that.

691
01:12:18,550 --> 01:12:20,420
>> thank you. >> I just had one suggestion that the commission

692
01:12:25,070 --> 01:12:25,070
consider suspending the application to the next meeting so as to allow

693
01:12:29,690 --> 01:12:29,690
sufficient time for staff and the applicant to get together and hammer something

694
01:12:34,430 --> 01:12:34,430
else that we could rule upon at the next meeting, if that makes sense.

695
01:12:40,925 --> 01:12:44,360
>> I was going to suggest if someone wants to make a motion to postpone the item, you can do that.

696
01:12:51,340 --> 01:12:53,930
>> I'd also like to say, at the august meeting for the town council to

697
01:12:56,330 --> 01:12:59,120
address those three issues that staff brought up, that would they agree to it being front facing?

698
01:13:02,810 --> 01:13:02,810
number 2, would they agree to the fore front comply with the intent of the roa?

699
01:13:10,445 --> 01:13:12,920
then also there was a third thing that was the 10-foot separated transitional up land buffer easement.

700
01:13:19,250 --> 01:13:23,060
in the meantime, while staff is working together, the town council can answer those questions and then we'll really know what we're working with.

701
01:13:26,195 --> 01:13:26,195
>> the town council doesn't get this application until you're done with it.

702
01:13:33,850 --> 01:13:36,590
>> but I expect staff would have informal conversations with town council about that before.

703
01:13:40,235 --> 01:13:42,605
>> no. >> they wouldn't? Okay >> once again, I feel like we don't have enough information.

704
01:13:46,805 --> 01:13:46,805
staff has to evaluate the new proposals that have come up,

705
01:13:51,035 --> 01:13:53,870
and I'm all for postponing. I don't like to kick anything down the road,

706
01:13:55,820 --> 01:13:57,620
and I don't feel like we should have the council deal on things that we should be taking up here.

707
01:14:02,740 --> 01:14:06,380
>> can we make a motion to postpone then? >> yeah. Do we have any other comments before we do that?

708
01:14:09,865 --> 01:14:13,780
>> yes. I also have concern that it was indicated that the neighborhood was in support that there were not problems,

709
01:14:18,710 --> 01:14:22,415
but yet the two people who spoke, one said he just learned about it this morning, I'm not sure when the other gentleman learned about it.

710
01:14:24,815 --> 01:14:27,635
>> yes. We had advertised meetings, two meetings, one for all the residents on old jupiter beach road,

711
01:14:30,680 --> 01:14:33,020
and then we had one for all the residents on egan fusky. We had those meetings and they were advertised and invites were sent to each homeowner.

712
01:14:38,315 --> 01:14:42,250
those meetings did occur. >> has the town engaged in

713
01:14:44,780 --> 01:14:44,780
any solicitation or conversation with the residents in the area?

714
01:14:50,195 --> 01:14:53,855
>> no. >> is that a consideration? >> it was a sign out there.

715
01:14:55,310 --> 01:14:57,590
sign in the meetings are online. >> mr. Chairman, mr. Keenan has twice made a motion to postpone the items,

716
01:15:02,750 --> 01:15:05,480
so if you could get a second. >> I second.

717
01:15:07,100 --> 01:15:08,405
>> consider that. >> the motion is to postpone this item.

718
01:15:11,165 --> 01:15:13,280
>> this motion was to suspend. Do you want to reword that to postpone?

719
01:15:15,425 --> 01:15:17,780
>> suspend, postpone, fine. >> they're the same? I'd look at suspension different from postponement.

720
01:15:21,920 --> 01:15:24,230
>> I think it's really a suspension. We're suspending it. We're holding it off on ruling on it until staff has

721
01:15:27,050 --> 01:15:30,770
had opportunity to discuss it with the applicant. >> in all likelihood, it's going to be brought back at your next meeting,

722
01:15:34,445 --> 01:15:36,725
whether it's suspended or postponed. >> I have a motion by commissioner kirn. Do I have a second?

723
01:15:39,620 --> 01:15:42,905
>> second. >> second from mr. Dunning. All in favor? >> aye.

724
01:15:44,000 --> 01:15:44,000
>> any oppose. Unanimous. Thank you.

725
01:15:52,240 --> 01:15:55,520
on to the next item, jupiter fire rescue department cinquez station,

726
01:15:59,615 --> 01:15:59,615
special exception and site plan application for a two-story fire station.

727
01:16:05,980 --> 01:16:05,980
let's see. Any ex parte disclosures?

728
01:16:12,020 --> 01:16:14,375
let's start commissioner kirn, with you. >> no disclosure of the report.

729
01:16:17,620 --> 01:16:20,375
>> commissioner guisinger? >> I visit both sites, but did not speak with anybody.

730
01:16:24,455 --> 01:16:27,050
>> I spoke with staff about the application. >> I visited the sites,

731
01:16:28,850 --> 01:16:30,875
talked with john, talked with garrett, talked with the chief,

732
01:16:33,545 --> 01:16:33,545
and that's probably pretty much it.

733
01:16:41,170 --> 01:16:43,925
>> I visit the sites multiple times. >> commissioner kelso?

734
01:16:46,510 --> 01:16:49,955
>> commissioner blum? >> I also visited the sites. >> thank you.

735
01:16:50,570 --> 01:16:53,750
>> I'll have to retrace mine and say I did visit both of the sites. [laughter] sorry about that.

736
01:16:55,535 --> 01:16:55,535
>> that's all right. We'll start out with the applicant for their presentation.

737
01:17:01,570 --> 01:17:04,040
>> good evening, mr. Chair, planning and zoning commissioners.

738
01:17:05,855 --> 01:17:07,265
my name is darrel donatto. I'm your fire chief here the town of jupiter.

739
01:17:09,995 --> 01:17:13,550
let's start with why we're here tonight discussing the need for two new fire stations in the town of jupiter.

740
01:17:17,120 --> 01:17:19,190
about two years ago, palm beach county fire rescue came to the town and said that they would be doubling

741
01:17:23,120 --> 01:17:23,120
the cost of fire rescue services for the town residents.

742
01:17:28,220 --> 01:17:29,870
for the last 20 years, residents have paid the actual cost of service.

743
01:17:32,930 --> 01:17:34,865
but the county wanted the town, its residents to pay over twice the actual cost of service or

744
01:17:38,510 --> 01:17:38,510
an additional quarter of a billion dollars in new taxes over the next 10 years,

745
01:17:43,760 --> 01:17:46,580
the same service, same fire stations, same fire trucks, same firefighters, nothing new.

746
01:17:50,375 --> 01:17:50,375
the town council wisely and bravely chose not to do that.

747
01:17:54,935 --> 01:17:54,935
after hiring a consultant in august of 2023,

748
01:17:59,015 --> 01:17:59,015
the council voted to exercise a three-year termination clause for

749
01:18:03,140 --> 01:18:05,570
the services from palm beach county and to start the town of jupiter fire rescue department.

750
01:18:08,660 --> 01:18:08,660
despite numerous attempts, the county has declined to sell, lease,

751
01:18:13,865 --> 01:18:16,400
or contract with the town for the use of the two fire stations that the county owns within the town.

752
01:18:19,830 --> 01:18:23,770
jupiter fire rescue will begin providing full fire and emergency medical services for the town of jupiter on october 1 of 2026.

753
01:18:29,130 --> 01:18:32,135
building a fire station takes time, and that is why we're here tonight seeking approval for two new fire stations.

754
01:18:37,755 --> 01:18:40,480
efficient deployment of fire stations is essential to timely response to emergency calls for service.

755
01:18:45,435 --> 01:18:45,435
location of these fire stations is intentional and significant in our efforts to

756
01:18:51,020 --> 01:18:51,020
align fire rescue resources with the greatest demand and optimized response times.

757
01:18:57,095 --> 01:19:00,095
as we build the jupiter fire rescue department, the safety and protection of our jupiter residents,

758
01:19:03,365 --> 01:19:07,190
businesses, and visitors are our number 1 concern. We have exhaustively studied the placement of fire stations within

759
01:19:10,790 --> 01:19:10,790
jupiter so as to provide the best coverage and response times possible.

760
01:19:16,870 --> 01:19:16,870
based on that focus and centered on providing urgent sometimes lifesaving care,

761
01:19:23,585 --> 01:19:23,585
the research has shown that piatt place and cinquez park are

762
01:19:28,100 --> 01:19:28,100
the best locations for the two fire stations that we're going to discuss tonight.

763
01:19:33,490 --> 01:19:33,490
I want to assure you that what we are proposing

764
01:19:37,895 --> 01:19:37,895
regarding site locations is not out of the ordinary in any way.

765
01:19:42,680 --> 01:19:42,680
in fact, it is quite normal both locally and across our nation.

766
01:19:47,720 --> 01:19:47,720
fire stations are a part of the fabric of communities.

767
01:19:52,460 --> 01:19:52,460
fire stations are most often located in residential areas,

768
01:19:56,705 --> 01:19:56,705
as the greatest risk of fire and most frequent calls for ems are in residential homes.

769
01:20:03,095 --> 01:20:05,420
as part of the study and research that I performed to make the recommendations for cinquez park,

770
01:20:08,735 --> 01:20:08,735
I looked at 64 fire station sites across palm beach county.

771
01:20:13,595 --> 01:20:16,880
these fire stations represented every department within the county from smaller departments such as tequesta,

772
01:20:20,000 --> 01:20:23,285
to the largest department, palm beach county fire rescue. Of the 64 fire stations I looked at,

773
01:20:26,750 --> 01:20:30,260
23 of them or more than a third are located as close or closer to residential homes than we are proposing.

774
01:20:34,355 --> 01:20:34,355
those 23 stations represented 11 different fire rescue departments, again,

775
01:20:39,650 --> 01:20:41,735
from the largest, palm beach county, to the smallest, which is tequesta or highland beach.

776
01:20:45,815 --> 01:20:48,020
we've listened to and considered feedback from the various members of the public regarding

777
01:20:50,150 --> 01:20:53,090
these two station sites and have taken proactive steps to address concerns that have been presented.

778
01:20:56,735 --> 01:20:59,015
for cinquez park, the town has minimized the amount of property being used for the fire station.

779
01:21:03,530 --> 01:21:06,110
the proposed station site was shifted to the southwest corner of the property abutting the indiantown road commercial corridor.

780
01:21:10,640 --> 01:21:12,740
the town has aligned the station with the adjacent commercial property and the indiantown corridor.

781
01:21:17,375 --> 01:21:17,375
this also shifts the station's driveway to align with the commercial property next door.

782
01:21:23,000 --> 01:21:26,945
the town is adding space to the western dog run. The town has shifted the proposed park access driveway connection on

783
01:21:31,250 --> 01:21:31,250
carver avenue to aligned with a multi-family parking lot driveway.

784
01:21:35,645 --> 01:21:38,570
the town will preserve more of and enhance the large field north of the ficus or banyan tree,

785
01:21:42,080 --> 01:21:42,080
as it's known, and that tree will remain intact as it is today.

786
01:21:47,660 --> 01:21:50,630
the town will greatly enhance the landscaping along carver avenue around the station and along indiantown road with

787
01:21:54,200 --> 01:21:57,410
a beautiful native landscape that provides visual appeal and acts as a natural buffer from adjacent uses.

788
01:22:01,850 --> 01:22:05,360
a fire station must support the needs of both the fire department and the community, which is located.

789
01:22:09,815 --> 01:22:13,040
what you'll see and here tonight are very well thought out site plans that address the functional requirements of

790
01:22:16,400 --> 01:22:19,580
the fire rescue department and contribute to the community's architectural landscape

791
01:22:22,115 --> 01:22:26,105
and that minimize impacts on the community's residents. With that said, I'm going to now ask our design engineers

792
01:22:29,570 --> 01:22:29,570
wgi to review the technical details beginning with cinquez park.

793
01:22:34,010 --> 01:22:34,010
[noise]

794
01:22:58,370 --> 01:22:58,370
>> thank you. Good evening. Sorry. Doug with wgi,

795
01:23:02,555 --> 01:23:04,610
on behalf of the town, representing the jupiter fire rescue station in cinquez park.

796
01:23:11,950 --> 01:23:15,590
the request before you tonight is for a site plan application, a special exception to approve the development of a fire station in cinquez park.

797
01:23:20,620 --> 01:23:20,620
here, you can see the project location along indiantown road.

798
01:23:25,850 --> 01:23:25,850
it's on the northeast corner of carver avenue in indiantown road.

799
01:23:29,900 --> 01:23:29,900
you can see the depiction of the fire station, which was located,

800
01:23:35,750 --> 01:23:35,750
as the chief said, as close to indiantown road and down the commercial corridor.

801
01:23:43,570 --> 01:23:46,730
here is a future land use map. Again, we're depicting the fire station on

802
01:23:51,050 --> 01:23:51,050
this map close again to indiantown road and carver.

803
01:23:56,030 --> 01:23:56,030
you can see that it's in line with the commercial corridor down indiantown road.

804
01:24:00,950 --> 01:24:00,950
the future land use of the property is proposed to be public institutional.

805
01:24:08,620 --> 01:24:11,990
this is the zoning map of the site. It's a total of three acres.

806
01:24:14,135 --> 01:24:14,135
the zoning is public institutional.

807
01:24:18,280 --> 01:24:22,010
again, this map shows just the surrounding uses of the site. You can see cinquez park in its entirety here.

808
01:24:28,000 --> 01:24:28,000
again, the site is within the three-acre affected area.

809
01:24:33,940 --> 01:24:37,520
here is the proposed site plan. One of the things we tried to do was push this roadway

810
01:24:43,190 --> 01:24:43,190
south as much as possible to avoid any conflicts with the existing ficus tree.

811
01:24:49,940 --> 01:24:52,730
it also aligns, as the chief said, with the commercial across the street.

812
01:24:54,965 --> 01:24:54,965
there's a medical office there.

813
01:25:00,490 --> 01:25:00,490
we have a total of 23 parking spaces for the fire station.

814
01:25:05,390 --> 01:25:05,390
this road, the east western road through the park.

815
01:25:10,895 --> 01:25:10,895
again, this southwest portion was realigned and essentially becomes a dead end road,

816
01:25:20,210 --> 01:25:20,210
emergency vehicles only for the fire station employees.

817
01:25:26,080 --> 01:25:26,080
here we have the location of the preserved ficus tree,

818
01:25:30,260 --> 01:25:31,835
also known as the banyan tree. This is a big consideration and a concern of

819
01:25:35,930 --> 01:25:35,930
the neighbors that this would be moved or removed.

820
01:25:40,745 --> 01:25:40,745
but actually shifting the road further south again than it exists

821
01:25:45,590 --> 01:25:45,590
today helps to preserve that tree and maintain it.

822
01:25:53,860 --> 01:25:56,060
as part of this development, there will be the existing median within indiantown road.

823
01:26:01,160 --> 01:26:04,565
we'll propose a curb cut median cut, be signalized emergency only use for

824
01:26:06,890 --> 01:26:06,890
the eastbound traffic from the fire trucks exiting onto carver.

825
01:26:12,760 --> 01:26:12,760
because this new road will be essentially for fire station employees only,

826
01:26:20,900 --> 01:26:20,900
create a new west access road that will connect and align with

827
01:26:25,190 --> 01:26:25,190
the multifamily development in the west that will also contain parking on street parking.

828
01:26:35,710 --> 01:26:39,530
>> due to some of the parking that we're adding for the fire station, that there was a slight impact to the existing dog park.

829
01:26:43,480 --> 01:26:46,460
there's a small reconfiguration to the dog park, but we're actually pushing it further to the south,

830
01:26:49,640 --> 01:26:49,640
which ends up being a net gain in area for the dog park.

831
01:26:54,970 --> 01:26:54,970
there is the existing restroom building to the north that won't be affected.

832
01:27:00,245 --> 01:27:03,290
however, right now there's grass parking lot and we're proposing to for the town is proposing to pave that parking lot for the restroom building.

833
01:27:10,480 --> 01:27:14,390
here we have a snip of the landscape plan. It's hard to read, but we just wanted to show that we have

834
01:27:17,180 --> 01:27:17,180
significant landscape plans for the fire station area in

835
01:27:21,380 --> 01:27:24,950
that southwest corner of carver in indiantown as well as actually all the way up on the eastern side of carver.

836
01:27:29,600 --> 01:27:29,600
we're proposing some significant landscape improvements.

837
01:27:36,100 --> 01:27:36,100
these are the proposed elevations of the fire station.

838
01:27:41,060 --> 01:27:41,060
we worked very closely with the town not only to meet the code,

839
01:27:46,355 --> 01:27:49,010
but to make sure we met the vision of the town for these new fire stations to make sure it sets a new standard.

840
01:27:55,450 --> 01:27:55,450
here is one rendering that was prepared for the project.

841
01:28:02,090 --> 01:28:02,090
this is a view looking into the main axis of the fire station.

842
01:28:08,660 --> 01:28:08,660
this is a view looking north from the north.

843
01:28:13,810 --> 01:28:16,940
in conclusion, the requested site plan amendment will be in compliance with the town code,

844
01:28:18,530 --> 01:28:18,530
subject to conditions in resolution 78 24.

845
01:28:24,610 --> 01:28:27,530
that concludes my presentation. >> thank you. Town staff.

846
01:28:52,330 --> 01:28:54,950
>> good evening commissioners for the record, gary watson with the planning and zoning department.

847
01:28:57,635 --> 01:29:01,520
here before you tonight with the proposed application for the syques park fire station application representing staff.

848
01:29:05,675 --> 01:29:09,200
this slide just real briefly covers the subject property. I just want to reiterate this site is three acres that was

849
01:29:13,940 --> 01:29:13,940
purchased with general fund money and while the whole site is three acres,

850
01:29:18,920 --> 01:29:21,080
the actual impact to the site is a very, very small portion on the southwest corner of this property.

851
01:29:24,920 --> 01:29:26,870
that's what it ended up being after all of the revisions took place and after listening to the community.

852
01:29:31,870 --> 01:29:31,870
real quick just background because I know we were here last month with

853
01:29:36,350 --> 01:29:36,350
the future lands map amendment that moved forward to the town council on the 18th.

854
01:29:40,490 --> 01:29:42,515
back on may 21st, council selected this site as the western fire station site.

855
01:29:46,490 --> 01:29:46,490
came to you all in june of 11th as part of a land use amendment,

856
01:29:50,825 --> 01:29:52,655
which you recommended for approval. It moved forward the week after you all saw it to

857
01:29:55,580 --> 01:29:55,580
the 18th and the future l and use map amendment was approved on first reading.

858
01:30:00,080 --> 01:30:03,185
second reading will be next week next tuesday, and it'll align with this site plan as well.

859
01:30:06,455 --> 01:30:06,455
since those times, we've been having some ongoing resident and park user input,

860
01:30:11,825 --> 01:30:11,825
small group meetings, individual meetings that the chief has had with residents,

861
01:30:17,000 --> 01:30:20,255
as well as numerous public comments. We went back and listened to all of them numerous times to make sure we were able to capture

862
01:30:22,730 --> 01:30:22,730
everything that was said on the record since the public has been introduced to this site.

863
01:30:27,965 --> 01:30:30,740
as part of that, we went through the conceptual site plan design and we modified it to address that input.

864
01:30:35,860 --> 01:30:39,470
real quick on the left side of your screen, that's the may 21st plan that was shown to the public when the site was first selected.

865
01:30:44,690 --> 01:30:48,080
as part of that, residents had expressed very strong desire to maintain the existing ficus tree,

866
01:30:51,350 --> 01:30:53,735
more affectionately known as the banyan tree. They also wanted to preserve as much open space on

867
01:30:56,630 --> 01:30:56,630
that western corridor or the western portion of the park. As possible.

868
01:31:01,070 --> 01:31:03,650
with that, they also had some concerns as it relates to traffic and safety on indian town road,

869
01:31:06,500 --> 01:31:09,200
some response time conflicts with the potential for parking to be provided along that exit driveway.

870
01:31:12,380 --> 01:31:16,355
some construction impacts with it being so close to the dog park, as well as just general noise and trucks that are in proximity to the dog park,

871
01:31:20,375 --> 01:31:22,190
as well as the surrounding residents. Lastly, any impacts to the dog park size.

872
01:31:24,650 --> 01:31:24,650
those are things that we heard very loud and clear at the may 21st meeting.

873
01:31:31,415 --> 01:31:34,595
in response to that, and as the chief noted earlier, the plan on the right was developed.

874
01:31:37,145 --> 01:31:37,145
it really was designed to take into account all of those concerns.

875
01:31:43,690 --> 01:31:46,265
real quick to cover those. The idea was to minimize the footprint that was taken up in

876
01:31:49,340 --> 01:31:53,280
the park for the fire station and expand the western dog run. I was able to align the exit driveway of

877
01:31:55,870 --> 01:31:58,915
the fire station with the commercial property to the west. It reduced the noise impacts of the residents and

878
01:32:02,350 --> 01:32:06,030
the dog park by shifting the use significantly further away. It aligned the new park access driveway,

879
01:32:08,825 --> 01:32:12,410
which is that driveway that goes just south of the restroom building with an existing multi-family driveway where there is perpendicular parking.

880
01:32:16,835 --> 01:32:18,905
it makes an intersection there, and that's to minimize the presence of headlights in that area.

881
01:32:22,910 --> 01:32:26,060
it preserves much more of the land around the ficus tree for gathering space because we heard that's used as gathering space,

882
01:32:30,260 --> 01:32:30,260
and we've seen it as well and as much of the north field as possible.

883
01:32:34,820 --> 01:32:37,400
it also created more separation between those primary park uses that people enjoy and the fire station.

884
01:32:43,270 --> 01:32:45,650
also, since that time, it's important to note and it's noted on page 5 in the staff report,

885
01:32:48,860 --> 01:32:48,860
that we've heard some additional community desires as it relates to that open field area.

886
01:32:53,540 --> 01:32:53,540
there's a sanitary sewer line that needs to be lowered in order to level that field.

887
01:32:59,060 --> 01:33:01,730
we've heard irrigating that field and making it really nice and green grass would be something

888
01:33:04,160 --> 01:33:06,470
that we should look at as well as modifying the landscape palette on the property to make it more tropical,

889
01:33:09,740 --> 01:33:11,930
align it more with our gateway features. Those items, some of those are on the plans tonight.

890
01:33:15,050 --> 01:33:18,005
some of them aren't because they're more technical aspects, but they'll be included in the design and construction package.

891
01:33:25,240 --> 01:33:29,045
moving on to parking observations. Staff has made numerous parking observations at the park over the past 4-6 weeks.

892
01:33:33,545 --> 01:33:36,740
we've reviewed historical imagery of the park that was really since it opened back in 2018.

893
01:33:40,220 --> 01:33:43,145
we've put together the table that you see on the top. I want to just point you to one quick thing I needed to fix on here.

894
01:33:47,060 --> 01:33:49,205
you'll see under the existing column, we have 67 spaces,

895
01:33:51,080 --> 01:33:53,480
57 is noted in your report. Again, proposed 57 now and 47 is noted in your report.

896
01:33:58,190 --> 01:34:00,200
go off the numbers in this powerpoint. We have an existing number of 67 spaces and a proposed number of 57 spaces.

897
01:34:05,735 --> 01:34:05,735
that does not include the 23 that are provided for the fire station and community room.

898
01:34:10,610 --> 01:34:10,610
that is solely park users and surrounding users.

899
01:34:15,140 --> 01:34:18,485
we've made numerous observations, as I noted, and the highest demand that we found and any one of those observations was 32 spaces,

900
01:34:24,350 --> 01:34:24,350
which is about 56% of what's proposed now on site.

901
01:34:28,505 --> 01:34:31,430
the average demand was 19 spaces, which is about 34% or about one-third of what's proposed on site today.

902
01:34:37,175 --> 01:34:37,175
that's even less than ten spaces that are being lost as part of this development.

903
01:34:42,080 --> 01:34:42,080
we're still significantly over-parked at this park based on our observations.

904
01:34:47,540 --> 01:34:50,885
now, that said, there's a couple different opportunities which are presented on page 7 in your staff report.

905
01:34:55,280 --> 01:34:55,280
the parking lot that's north of the restroom building.

906
01:35:00,740 --> 01:35:03,815
that has been chained off since the park opened, and it's never been used,

907
01:35:05,825 --> 01:35:08,405
and rather than paving it, which is part of the plan,

908
01:35:10,220 --> 01:35:14,015
that area could be left as grass parking and simply opened. If maintenance became an issue,

909
01:35:16,055 --> 01:35:18,620
if parking was significant on that property, it could be paved at a later time.

910
01:35:20,150 --> 01:35:22,040
that's something we're asking for some guidance on from the commission and from the council.

911
01:35:25,085 --> 01:35:28,895
second, if the future need arises, we could very quickly and easily produce

912
01:35:32,240 --> 01:35:32,240
10 more parking spaces on the property, utilizing parallel spaces.

913
01:35:36,605 --> 01:35:36,605
that could be built rather quickly in order to make it a net and neutral there.

914
01:35:41,845 --> 01:35:44,800
there's numerous opportunities to act very quickly. Should the demand increase or should something happen where the demand increases.

915
01:35:49,440 --> 01:35:49,440
but trying to keep as much green area as possible for the residents,

916
01:35:53,570 --> 01:35:55,925
as open space as possible. The parking demand that was observed on site and

917
01:35:58,520 --> 01:35:58,520
what's being provided is completely adequate.

918
01:36:03,400 --> 01:36:06,800
real quickly, I'll just cover the conditions. There's two conditions that are required for compliance with code,

919
01:36:09,980 --> 01:36:12,695
and we're working with wgi to address these two. First is architecture.

920
01:36:14,255 --> 01:36:18,185
you'll see on this slide here on the left side. There's two entry features. Those are on car avenue and indiantown road.

921
01:36:21,725 --> 01:36:25,520
those need to be more prominent. We're working on increasing those. They'll be significantly landscaped to be clear,

922
01:36:28,295 --> 01:36:30,290
as you all have seen in the landscape plan, but still visible somewhat from indian town road

923
01:36:32,990 --> 01:36:35,855
and that needs to be addressed in order to meet the code. Second is a pretty standard condition, water connection fees,

924
01:36:39,545 --> 01:36:39,545
it's a new building, that will have to be done during construction time.

925
01:36:44,920 --> 01:36:44,920
we also have some conditions that are just recommended modifications to it,

926
01:36:49,940 --> 01:36:52,470
and those are three related to the site plan. First is to evaluate the intersection,

927
01:36:55,330 --> 01:36:58,975
so you can see on the right side of the plan that's on your screen. There's softening of that curve there,

928
01:37:02,200 --> 01:37:02,200
so that when you're driving straight to you is to

929
01:37:06,460 --> 01:37:06,460
actually utilize the public and not straight being to utilize the fire station access.

930
01:37:11,245 --> 01:37:11,245
will help with some of the confusion as that traffic pattern changes,

931
01:37:16,075 --> 01:37:19,160
as well as flipping the location from the north side to the south side for the parallel parking.

932
01:37:22,505 --> 01:37:22,505
that's an effort to maintain as much of that north field as possible is green.

933
01:37:27,110 --> 01:37:27,110
that's one of those locations that an additional eight or nine spaces could be built in,

934
01:37:31,640 --> 01:37:33,515
should that need arise. But for now, keeping it as open and as green as possible is

935
01:37:37,100 --> 01:37:40,850
what we've heard from the community and that's what we're going for. Lastly, some pedestrian amenities.

936
01:37:43,145 --> 01:37:46,115
there's several pedestrian amenities throughout the park, but there's also some public use space within the fire station.

937
01:37:50,135 --> 01:37:52,640
having some of those public amenities around the fire station is something that we've included as a condition.

938
01:37:58,660 --> 01:38:01,970
condition on traffic. Palm beach county traffic. We are in process with them.

939
01:38:03,875 --> 01:38:07,625
we expect to have approval sometime this week, I believe, from palm beach county traffic,

940
01:38:09,530 --> 01:38:09,530
and town's traffic engineer has reviewed and approved the application.

941
01:38:14,210 --> 01:38:17,990
last condition we have is signage. In order to be consistent with some of the other signs that you see going around town,

942
01:38:22,250 --> 01:38:24,005
mostly on indian town road, seven feet is the historical precedent for signage in the town of jupiter.

943
01:38:29,090 --> 01:38:29,090
we've recommended a very similar condition or an identical condition here.

944
01:38:33,095 --> 01:38:35,210
you'll see in the picture on your left, that's the existing synqes park signage.

945
01:38:37,745 --> 01:38:39,800
that's not proposed to change. There's no proposed signage with this application.

946
01:38:42,935 --> 01:38:45,530
but if the need for it arises in the future, this limits the size of that unless it's put as part of a pedestrian amenity.

947
01:38:49,670 --> 01:38:52,550
you'll see right behind the signage is the gazebo. We're trying to figure out what can be done to the gazebo.

948
01:38:55,235 --> 01:38:57,185
it's not in the best of shape. There may be an opportunity to construct

949
01:38:59,510 --> 01:38:59,510
some pedestrian element there that mimics the gazebo and provide some signage.

950
01:39:03,995 --> 01:39:05,795
we've left the door wide open. If that's a desire in the future, we can do that.

951
01:39:09,610 --> 01:39:11,840
real quick in closing, I want to go through the site plan and special exception criteria.

952
01:39:15,410 --> 01:39:19,070
site plan is going to meet all 12 criteria with the conditions of approval that were noted in the report as well as the presentation,

953
01:39:23,240 --> 01:39:25,490
and special exception criteria, we note that all have been satisfied.

954
01:39:27,965 --> 01:39:30,935
just real briefly to cover both those topics. The proposed fire station is consistent with the comp plan and the town code.

955
01:39:35,450 --> 01:39:38,390
it's compatible with the character of the area and surrounding uses as it's an integrated and essential part of the community.

956
01:39:42,650 --> 01:39:46,265
it's located fronting on the commercial corridor. As the chief noted earlier,

957
01:39:48,110 --> 01:39:50,900
it's very common for fire stations to be in residential areas as well as on government properties with other shared uses,

958
01:39:55,400 --> 01:39:55,400
oftentimes parks and in very close proximity to residential.

959
01:40:00,140 --> 01:40:00,140
we maximized the remainder of this property to be used for any other park use,

960
01:40:06,095 --> 01:40:09,980
even the more active ones on the three acre by pushing this property over to the southwest corner as far as it could go on indian town road.

961
01:40:14,585 --> 01:40:17,390
with that, I'll leave you with the rendering. I'd be happy to answer any questions.

962
01:40:19,595 --> 01:40:19,595
>> thanks, gary. We'll start with board questions.

963
01:40:25,595 --> 01:40:28,970
commissioner kean, let's start with you on this, please. >> thank you. I just wanted to get clarification on one thing.

964
01:40:32,675 --> 01:40:32,675
did I hear it right that the dog park is being

965
01:40:36,920 --> 01:40:36,920
moved closer to indiantown road and closer to the fire station?

966
01:40:53,650 --> 01:40:53,650
>> yes. The expanded area is moving south closer to indiantown road.

967
01:40:57,950 --> 01:41:01,880
but it's a long linear area, so it's not being expanded. >> is it possible to move it anywhere else in the park?

968
01:41:05,345 --> 01:41:07,910
I mean, it doesn't make sense that you're moving it closer to the traffic and to the fire station,

969
01:41:13,900 --> 01:41:17,585
is there any other location that could be moved to? >> no, that's the only location because

970
01:41:21,830 --> 01:41:21,830
it's already framed on the west side by the existing access road.

971
01:41:27,635 --> 01:41:31,160
there's only minor modification with the parking and adjustments to those access pathways that's occurring on the west side.

972
01:41:35,150 --> 01:41:38,600
just to supplement the minimal loss there, it's being expanded in the southerly direction.

973
01:41:41,675 --> 01:41:41,675
it still has a significant step back from indian town road because that

974
01:41:45,830 --> 01:41:45,830
was a design criteria when we originally developed the park that it not be too close.

975
01:41:54,850 --> 01:41:57,245
>> I appreciate what's been done. I like the corner placage,

976
01:42:00,185 --> 01:42:02,840
and I was concerned because, of course, we spoke of historical items before and

977
01:42:05,750 --> 01:42:05,750
this park actually has an interesting history to it in and of itself.

978
01:42:09,980 --> 01:42:12,770
there's a great marker, if you have never read it, you should read it. It's a good one.

979
01:42:14,450 --> 01:42:14,450
but I'm very pleased to see that we're probably doing the best we can in

980
01:42:18,470 --> 01:42:18,470
terms of location and adjusting. It's for the questions.

981
01:42:23,945 --> 01:42:25,700
>> just to follow up. There's there's approximately it's

982
01:42:28,385 --> 01:42:28,385
over 50 feet between the property line where the sidewalk

983
01:42:32,840 --> 01:42:32,840
is to the location of the potential new location of the dog park.

984
01:42:40,370 --> 01:42:40,370
it's not like it's going to be butt up against indian town road.

985
01:42:45,020 --> 01:42:47,900
there's a walking path that will still remain. There's landscaping that we're adding along the entire front.

986
01:42:51,770 --> 01:42:55,685
it looks like there's about at least 50 feet and probably more than that based on the plan.

987
01:43:00,170 --> 01:43:00,170
>> fifty feet and some screening with the landscape. Thank you.

988
01:43:06,560 --> 01:43:08,915
>> thank you. Commissioner manon. >> what's the code height for buildings in jupiter?

989
01:43:14,540 --> 01:43:17,750
what's the height of the fire department going to be? >> in this zoning district,

990
01:43:19,325 --> 01:43:19,325
50 feet is the maximum height and the building is 34.5 feet.

991
01:43:25,150 --> 01:43:27,170
>> out of the three acres, how many are being used for the fire station?

992
01:43:29,840 --> 01:43:29,840
>> approximately half-half.

993
01:43:34,810 --> 01:43:34,810
>> the area that you said was grassy that you have had

994
01:43:39,020 --> 01:43:42,740
fenced off or roped off that no parking is in? Is there a way to incorporate that into the park if the parking is not needed?

995
01:43:49,240 --> 01:43:53,030
>> if you're saying that you've never used this parking, that you've kept this area roped off,

996
01:43:55,700 --> 01:43:55,700
can it just be incorporated into the park?

997
01:44:01,060 --> 01:44:01,060
if you don't use it and you haven't used it since the park opened.

998
01:44:18,980 --> 01:44:18,980
>> as a grassed area. The other thing is,

999
01:44:25,005 --> 01:44:27,810
because it was really hard to tell on the drawings, exactly how is the landscape going to be like in reference to buffering,

1000
01:44:33,570 --> 01:44:36,780
buffering the fire station basically from indiantown, but from the residents and from the dog park?

1001
01:44:40,575 --> 01:44:44,235
>> that's a great question because we worked really hard. There's a lot of existing sabal palms at that corner where the fire stations proposed.

1002
01:44:53,595 --> 01:44:53,595
there's 87 that are going to be relocated along the front buffer,

1003
01:44:58,725 --> 01:44:58,725
and it will basically mimic the gateways at center street,

1004
01:45:04,905 --> 01:45:07,200
and so we're going to be continuing that landscape theme along the front of indiantown road.

1005
01:45:11,640 --> 01:45:11,640
then as we approach the fire station,

1006
01:45:16,380 --> 01:45:19,500
we've taken a little bit different tact and we're doing more of a tropical landscape theme,

1007
01:45:22,875 --> 01:45:25,830
but still native with clusias along that and it's along the entire length all the way up to the church.

1008
01:45:33,950 --> 01:45:33,950
it includes the bromeliads as well as the clusias,

1009
01:45:38,495 --> 01:45:42,055
and royal palms, and key thatch palms. We've really worked to try and really beef that up,

1010
01:45:45,870 --> 01:45:49,035
so we blend in the open space with the fire station itself while providing the requirements that meet the code.

1011
01:45:56,150 --> 01:45:56,150
>> how's the buffer going to be between the fire station and

1012
01:46:00,480 --> 01:46:00,480
the residents and the buffer between the dog park and the fire station?

1013
01:46:06,740 --> 01:46:06,740
>> the code requires just a hedge and trees every 25 feet.

1014
01:46:14,760 --> 01:46:14,760
there's a three-tiered level landscape plan that's proposed that has taller palms,

1015
01:46:24,270 --> 01:46:27,540
shade trees as well as clusters of palms, and then a continuous clusia hedge.

1016
01:46:30,075 --> 01:46:33,420
then in front of that smaller accents with bromeliads, crinum lilies, key thatch palms,

1017
01:46:35,625 --> 01:46:39,590
and some sabals only at the corners, at the entrance to the new drive.

1018
01:46:44,250 --> 01:46:44,250
then also that theme is also along the driveway of

1019
01:46:51,000 --> 01:46:54,495
the fire station so that it can blend in and help buffer between the dog park and the users of the pica street.

1020
01:46:59,865 --> 01:47:03,150
>> I was mostly concerned with the noise and how well it's going to cut

1021
01:47:06,360 --> 01:47:06,360
down the noise to the residents and just from the dog park.

1022
01:47:10,665 --> 01:47:14,430
I think that's all my questions. Thank you. >> thank you. Commissioner garcia?

1023
01:47:17,400 --> 01:47:17,400
>> yes. Thank you. I have a few questions.

1024
01:47:21,500 --> 01:47:24,960
one of the statements made by staff in the analysis is while the fire station property is located in indiantown road is not in indiantown road,

1025
01:47:29,130 --> 01:47:29,130
olay zoning district, assume it's because one is commercial versus pi,

1026
01:47:33,345 --> 01:47:35,990
public institutional, is that correct? >> yeah. When we changed the land use to recreational and built the park,

1027
01:47:40,590 --> 01:47:43,965
we took it out of the ioz because it's institutional land. >> but the one statement there also, therefore,

1028
01:47:46,020 --> 01:47:49,635
it's not required to adhere to those specific landscape regulations. Let me ask you this, is the landscape plan as proposed more stringent than that,

1029
01:47:54,510 --> 01:47:57,180
more enhanced than what we would normally get if it was part of the indiantown road, olay?

1030
01:48:01,515 --> 01:48:05,235
>> yes. >> I just want to make sure. Equivalent or better?

1031
01:48:06,855 --> 01:48:06,855
>> yes. It's better.

1032
01:48:12,080 --> 01:48:15,660
>> you said you did an observation of the parking. Was that all aerial?

1033
01:48:16,860 --> 01:48:18,930
did you actually physically go out and count cars on a periodic basis to see how the park's being,

1034
01:48:21,435 --> 01:48:23,115
what the demand for parking was? >> we made numerous site visits over

1035
01:48:25,590 --> 01:48:25,590
the past 4-6 weeks primarily in the evening time when it was nicer out.

1036
01:48:30,330 --> 01:48:33,030
we waited until it was a nicer day, a little bit cooler. We tried to maximize the number of people that we would find there.

1037
01:48:36,705 --> 01:48:39,390
>> because I go during the morning with my dogs and it's usually packed in the morning because that reason it's cooler,

1038
01:48:42,105 --> 01:48:44,610
the bugs aren't out and it's not raining. I just thought maybe you might want to look at the morning too, just to make sure.

1039
01:48:49,580 --> 01:48:52,815
>> [inaudible] you experience the highest peak? >> I usually go between when it opens at 7:30 except for wednesdays.

1040
01:48:56,550 --> 01:49:00,045
anywhere from 7:30-10:00, usually it's got quite a few people there. Obviously, last saturday was very busy because the parks recreation had an event there,

1041
01:49:05,070 --> 01:49:07,545
so had a lot of cars there. I'm in favor of leaving parking spaces grass at the time being,

1042
01:49:12,780 --> 01:49:15,045
so I want to get that out on the record. I would not pave it over because it looks nice, grass,

1043
01:49:18,330 --> 01:49:21,570
but never can tell once it starts using how much wear and tear it will take, you may have to pave it, but right now, leave it as is.

1044
01:49:24,300 --> 01:49:27,435
you made mention of a seven foot height sign, if one is required.

1045
01:49:28,710 --> 01:49:32,235
are you going to tag an overall area to that sign? I know some flag wharf.

1046
01:49:34,185 --> 01:49:37,410
you made a statement that hey, a seven foot sign,

1047
01:49:38,580 --> 01:49:40,980
but an area of 84, which made it seven by 12. Will there will be an area requirement for that sign also if we decide to use it?

1048
01:49:46,160 --> 01:49:48,330
>> typically, in the ioz, that would be limited if it was in the ioz.

1049
01:49:50,685 --> 01:49:54,165
we can certainly provide a limit if it's something that you would desire. >> I just say if we go for a sign seven foot,

1050
01:49:56,370 --> 01:49:56,370
we ought to put a limit on the width of it too. Another question.

1051
01:50:03,720 --> 01:50:05,700
the sign on the building, the sign itself for the fire station.

1052
01:50:08,490 --> 01:50:08,490
currently, it looks like it's on the west on carver,

1053
01:50:14,295 --> 01:50:14,295
why wouldn't that be along indiantown road where the frontage is of

1054
01:50:19,050 --> 01:50:19,050
the fire station? Just to comment.

1055
01:50:27,285 --> 01:50:27,285
>> yes, sir. We've actually asked wgi.

1056
01:50:31,695 --> 01:50:31,695
in this rendering, what you're looking at is the view facing west,

1057
01:50:36,765 --> 01:50:36,765
and so this is what I would consider the back of the fire station where trucks come in.

1058
01:50:42,210 --> 01:50:42,210
we've asked them to also place that same exact look on the carver side,

1059
01:50:49,140 --> 01:50:51,240
which is where the trucks would go out, and it's very typical in the fire service,

1060
01:50:53,415 --> 01:50:56,295
that the signage for the station is over the bay, over the entry and exit of the bay.

1061
01:50:58,380 --> 01:51:00,345
it's just typical in the fire service. Now, if you want it on the indiantown road side,

1062
01:51:03,570 --> 01:51:05,475
I'm all for branding. >> that's why I was looking at branding. I'm more all in favor.

1063
01:51:07,890 --> 01:51:10,890
however you guys thinks best. I just noticed that looking at it, why isn't the sign out front as opposed to along the sides?

1064
01:51:19,130 --> 01:51:19,130
I know with the last meeting some of the residents voiced concern over the noise.

1065
01:51:25,545 --> 01:51:28,740
has there been any type of noise study done with other fire stations that are located in residential areas as far as the amount of noise?

1066
01:51:32,250 --> 01:51:34,245
>> boy, I'm glad you asked. I went out there twice.

1067
01:51:36,270 --> 01:51:38,145
first time I was a bit embarrassed. Brought a chainsaw out, couldn't get it to start.

1068
01:51:41,385 --> 01:51:41,385
but I went out the second time and the code enforcement folks from the town of

1069
01:51:46,980 --> 01:51:46,980
jupiter police department who were trained and do a lot of noise complaint studies,

1070
01:51:53,400 --> 01:51:55,980
brought their equipment out, they were certified to do it. We ran that chainsaw full open speed and they made me do it for three straight minutes,

1071
01:52:00,795 --> 01:52:03,225
while they studied the sound, and they studied the sound outside of the dog park,

1072
01:52:07,170 --> 01:52:09,330
but over next to the dog park. The results of that study were that they got 63 dbm noise,

1073
01:52:14,145 --> 01:52:16,620
which is conversational level. >> below the 85.

1074
01:52:19,040 --> 01:52:19,040
>> if we're going to run any of our equipment in the back of the station,

1075
01:52:24,060 --> 01:52:24,060
the noise level at the dog park would be conversational level.

1076
01:52:29,205 --> 01:52:32,850
of course, the station itself is a natural physical, big barrier to that noise going anywhere towards the residential area.

1077
01:52:36,840 --> 01:52:36,840
>> that and the orientation of the in and out for the fire station plus the landscaping.

1078
01:52:41,550 --> 01:52:43,950
I think a lot of noise abatement there too. That's all the question I have. Chairman.

1079
01:52:46,275 --> 01:52:47,970
>>thank you. Commissioner dunning. >> well, can you hear me?

1080
01:52:50,355 --> 01:52:53,370
we have made a lot of progress on this since we first talked about this at our last meeting,

1081
01:52:56,190 --> 01:52:56,190
and I think you guys have a lot to be proud of together with staff and the chief here.

1082
01:53:02,115 --> 01:53:04,395
I'd like to commend you for it. You've listened to what the residents have said.

1083
01:53:08,835 --> 01:53:08,835
you're trying to come up with alternatives that will meet everyone's needs,

1084
01:53:13,650 --> 01:53:16,455
and I don't like building in a park, but this is what we have to do.

1085
01:53:18,690 --> 01:53:19,860
this is what we have to do, and this is where we have to meet the greatest needs for the people.

1086
01:53:23,850 --> 01:53:27,780
one thing that we talked about the relocation of the palm trees, I think there's pink ribbons around the trees right now.

1087
01:53:31,380 --> 01:53:32,475
if you go through the park, that's going to be the trees that are going to be relocated, is that correct, garrett?

1088
01:53:36,720 --> 01:53:38,595
>> that's correct. >> [noise] excuse me. Also we got a letter in late this afternoon, I guess,

1089
01:53:44,070 --> 01:53:44,070
for some of the residents that were on the site,

1090
01:53:48,630 --> 01:53:48,630
and it sounds like from their only concern is pretty

1091
01:53:53,880 --> 01:53:53,880
much the palm trees and the way the landscapers are doing in the park,

1092
01:54:00,540 --> 01:54:03,210
and I know we haven't had a chance to evaluate that. Thanks to chief donatto and vice mayor sandstrom,

1093
01:54:06,600 --> 01:54:10,140
it sounds like we've captured a lot of their concerns, and it's going to be a nice park,

1094
01:54:12,990 --> 01:54:12,990
I think, it's going to be good for everyone.

1095
01:54:18,170 --> 01:54:20,535
this is what we have to do, and we have to think of the greater good for the people,

1096
01:54:23,100 --> 01:54:26,970
and we're placing it in a place that will maximize response time that our first responders need,

1097
01:54:31,995 --> 01:54:31,995
and we're now into the implementation factor of the fire stations,

1098
01:54:36,915 --> 01:54:40,020
that has to be all upstanding on october 1st, 2026, I should say.

1099
01:54:43,665 --> 01:54:43,665
I wanted to say I appreciate all the work the staff and chief has done and others

1100
01:54:49,560 --> 01:54:49,560
have done to make this work for the town in my opinion, and the residents.

1101
01:54:55,995 --> 01:54:58,350
>> may I echo the same sentiments. Great job in the way you're listening to the residents

1102
01:55:00,870 --> 01:55:04,755
and designing this with their concerns in mind. Just a couple of things. The dog park is bigger,

1103
01:55:08,460 --> 01:55:10,950
than it previously would be? >> that's correct. The western dog run [overlapping]

1104
01:55:12,780 --> 01:55:12,780
>> I just want to make sure that. On those grassy areas near the rest rooms,

1105
01:55:17,220 --> 01:55:19,065
do you need to leave the cement curbs in? If you do that, will that blow it for using it for parking in the future?

1106
01:55:22,575 --> 01:55:22,575
why wouldn't you take those out, the parking curbs?

1107
01:55:31,340 --> 01:55:34,230
>> it's stabilized, so it could be used in event purposes.

1108
01:55:36,750 --> 01:55:39,915
that's why the curbs were there, but it's not needed. That's why it's chained off.

1109
01:55:41,985 --> 01:55:44,130
we'd have to go back and remove all those things if the council or the commission [overlapping]

1110
01:55:50,280 --> 01:55:54,165
>> would it be possible to do that or you need to leave them there for future events? >> they could be removed.

1111
01:55:55,830 --> 01:55:55,830
it's just that there's also stabilized sub-grade under the grass as well.

1112
01:56:03,260 --> 01:56:06,165
>> that's it for me. Nice job. >> council.

1113
01:56:07,470 --> 01:56:09,870
>> it's always nice being on the end because everyone gets most of the questions out up there.

1114
01:56:12,465 --> 01:56:12,465
anyways, to the letter from the four carver avenue residents, I didn't understand.

1115
01:56:18,390 --> 01:56:21,420
was that address the removal of the four oak trees, or was that decided not to do that or?

1116
01:56:24,900 --> 01:56:24,900
>> well, we haven't changed any plans obviously from getting that in.

1117
01:56:30,000 --> 01:56:30,000
we're just seeking direction from the commission and the council ultimately how they

1118
01:56:34,140 --> 01:56:34,140
want to address that for the frontage on carver.

1119
01:56:38,445 --> 01:56:41,490
it's not an issue. We can do that in our final plan submittal to trade out the trees for an alternate species.

1120
01:56:49,940 --> 01:56:49,940
>> can you show where those trees are on a diagram?

1121
01:56:55,170 --> 01:56:55,170
>> yeah, maybe the applicant [inaudible]

1122
01:57:00,930 --> 01:57:03,900
>> there are four existing live oak trees, so if you drove out there, they exist today.

1123
01:57:09,950 --> 01:57:13,230
along carver, they exist today. They're probably about 15 feet,

1124
01:57:17,280 --> 01:57:20,780
they haven't been trimmed. >> are they able to be relocated?

1125
01:57:23,985 --> 01:57:23,985
>> yeah, we could probably relocate them.

1126
01:57:35,060 --> 01:57:38,430
>> they are a little hard to see on this drawing because [overlapping] >> right now they're like object along the roadway.

1127
01:57:41,325 --> 01:57:41,325
>> yeah, they're in between the planting here.

1128
01:57:45,765 --> 01:57:49,170
here's one here, one here. There's a couple more here. Right now they're integrated into our design,

1129
01:57:56,010 --> 01:57:58,920
but as steph said, if they need to be replaced,

1130
01:58:01,215 --> 01:58:02,520
usually we try to preserve the trees, but they could be replaced.

1131
01:58:06,270 --> 01:58:09,780
>> what are your thoughts as well about the alexander and royal palms along the northern boundary that they requested? Is that something?

1132
01:58:14,000 --> 01:58:14,000
>> royal palms have been added to the plan.

1133
01:58:18,795 --> 01:58:18,795
because the site was basically a wetland prior to construction,

1134
01:58:27,690 --> 01:58:27,690
alexander palms would not do well in this area and there's maintenance revolved.

1135
01:58:33,015 --> 01:58:34,530
we have key thatch palms, we have royal palms, we have the sabal palms behind as backdrop.

1136
01:58:37,965 --> 01:58:37,965
we are only adding a few at the driveway,

1137
01:58:42,195 --> 01:58:44,010
not really too much, but we could look

1138
01:58:49,470 --> 01:58:49,470
at putting them along the fire station where they might get more maintenance,

1139
01:58:54,180 --> 01:58:56,250
but this is a public park. We like to have maintenance that is indicative of what

1140
01:59:00,660 --> 01:59:00,660
is natural and what does well in a hammick area,

1141
01:59:05,520 --> 01:59:07,230
which is what this was, the soil dictates, and that's why we're looking at those types of things.

1142
01:59:11,160 --> 01:59:11,160
I remind you that there is no irrigation at the cinquez park,

1143
01:59:19,260 --> 01:59:21,585
other than the dog parks. What is in there today was done with that in

1144
01:59:24,900 --> 01:59:28,335
mind for maintenance and it's an open space property. Also, we've done the gateways with no irrigation as well.

1145
01:59:33,510 --> 01:59:36,285
if you plant the right materials, they will do well and we want to make sure it does well in the long run.

1146
01:59:42,530 --> 01:59:46,275
>> station 2, it's on the western elevation, where it says station 2.

1147
01:59:47,880 --> 01:59:49,740
I agree that I think it should be on the southern elevation as well because people going by,

1148
01:59:54,210 --> 01:59:57,690
that's what they're going to see, not the carver avenue entrance. I think that would be helpful. Then I also noticed between that and

1149
02:00:01,170 --> 02:00:04,920
the [inaudible] the cinquez park is in red, station 2, and then the [inaudible] it's in black.

1150
02:00:07,680 --> 02:00:07,680
I just think they should match carver avenue side.

1151
02:00:13,610 --> 02:00:16,980
as far as the grass parking, I would be in favor of keeping it just because

1152
02:00:19,140 --> 02:00:22,845
like there you have an event or something like that, like we had this last weekend, you could use it. [overlapping]

1153
02:00:27,480 --> 02:00:29,820
>> thank you. >> I would agree with the parking concern. You said you looked at it 4-6 weeks,

1154
02:00:33,060 --> 02:00:33,060
and even dog owners are seasonal.

1155
02:00:37,065 --> 02:00:39,150
I know my current dog, I couldn't take there, but by previous dog, I used to,

1156
02:00:41,550 --> 02:00:44,070
and I did meet people that were down that were seasonal, so it could be that we would need more parking then.

1157
02:00:46,860 --> 02:00:46,860
but other than that, I think it looks great.

1158
02:00:52,190 --> 02:00:54,360
>> via aerials, occurred during the season period.

1159
02:00:56,340 --> 02:00:59,010
they were from december through, I think, a couple of months.

1160
02:01:01,740 --> 02:01:04,035
it straddled the new year. But the ones we did more recently in person were within the last couple of months.

1161
02:01:09,585 --> 02:01:12,000
then anecdotally, we go there, so we have some familiarity,

1162
02:01:13,995 --> 02:01:17,640
knowing that it's never overcapacity. We have not experienced it being at a high level of saturation.

1163
02:01:22,260 --> 02:01:22,260
that's why we felt comfortable with the 10-space reduction as flexibility.

1164
02:01:29,775 --> 02:01:29,775
>> I'm considering what he said about the mornings as well when it's busier then.

1165
02:01:36,980 --> 02:01:36,980
>> we'll continue to make observations as we go

1166
02:01:41,490 --> 02:01:41,490
through the construction process and make adjustments if necessary.

1167
02:01:47,460 --> 02:01:47,460
>> thank you. Just a couple of comments for me and one or two questions.

1168
02:01:53,050 --> 02:01:53,050
I would like to commend everybody involved in the progress we've made in

1169
02:01:57,280 --> 02:02:01,210
being responsive to the residents and citizens on this. It's great to see how you all have worked with

1170
02:02:05,155 --> 02:02:05,155
all the different stakeholders to bring something to the planning zoning commission.

1171
02:02:10,000 --> 02:02:13,240
I think that addresses a lot of people's needs. Thank you for that. I did have two quick questions.

1172
02:02:17,455 --> 02:02:19,675
one for the applicant. Thinking about environmental concerns like fuel tanks, diesel generator,

1173
02:02:24,835 --> 02:02:28,450
when the fireman rints out the hoses and their equipment, where does that water go and how does it get treated before it gets put into the system?

1174
02:02:32,620 --> 02:02:36,505
>> these sites will both end up having generators. We're 24/7 business, and those generators are

1175
02:02:41,350 --> 02:02:43,375
proposed to be diesel generators and they'll have a double wall tank that is directly beneath the generator,

1176
02:02:46,870 --> 02:02:50,395
so the generator sits right on top of the tank itself. So it's all contained in one smaller unit.

1177
02:02:53,290 --> 02:02:53,290
again, double-wall protected.

1178
02:02:57,690 --> 02:02:57,690
every fire station I'm aware of has that exact arrangement,

1179
02:03:02,560 --> 02:03:05,410
including the one I just left. And we don't really think there's any concerns that meets all those standards.

1180
02:03:10,195 --> 02:03:12,670
in terms of water runoff, we do have drainage systems that go into filter,

1181
02:03:16,480 --> 02:03:18,940
sand filters, and oil separators. So we catch all the water that would come from the trucks themselves or anything.

1182
02:03:22,960 --> 02:03:26,890
we do it on that apron site, we call it the apron front back of the station. >> and they don't fuel the trucks?

1183
02:03:29,680 --> 02:03:32,170
>> there's no fuel storage there, no fueling there, that will be done offsite at the town's public works facility.

1184
02:03:35,110 --> 02:03:37,990
>> and the only other question is the community room, how is that access to reserved typically?

1185
02:03:41,620 --> 02:03:45,295
>> the community room is designed for the community and they'll be able to contact fire rescue and make reservations for that.

1186
02:03:49,630 --> 02:03:53,125
people can have birthday parties for their kids there at the fire station. People can have meetings here at the fire station.

1187
02:03:55,270 --> 02:03:55,270
we talked about the idea that anecdotally,

1188
02:03:59,290 --> 02:04:03,145
we've been told that there are a lot of community groups that meet underneath the tree itself, underneath the banyan tree.

1189
02:04:04,210 --> 02:04:06,605
there's a bunch of rocks around there and folks meet there. It's like, wow, that's a great thing. We love that.

1190
02:04:08,970 --> 02:04:12,480
if it's raining out, maybe we can offer for them the opportunity you don't have to stop your meeting, meet in the community room.

1191
02:04:15,300 --> 02:04:15,300
so our goal is to make something that's an amenity to this community,

1192
02:04:20,530 --> 02:04:23,285
and as easy for them to get to as we can. >> thank you. Let's see.

1193
02:04:27,905 --> 02:04:29,725
>> I have one more question. >> sure. Go ahead, m.

1194
02:04:32,100 --> 02:04:35,815
>> in this debate that we're having tonight, is there any discussion about what's actually

1195
02:04:38,995 --> 02:04:38,995
the construction of the firehouse or is that going to be at a later date?

1196
02:04:43,465 --> 02:04:46,360
like what's in there for the fire department, the people that are staying, how it's laid out.

1197
02:04:49,060 --> 02:04:52,650
is that now or is that going to be later? The fire department itself.

1198
02:04:55,105 --> 02:04:55,105
>> the floor plans are provided as part of the application,

1199
02:05:01,525 --> 02:05:05,215
but we don't typically get into them other than square footage and uses relates to parking.

1200
02:05:10,000 --> 02:05:13,330
so it's not coming back, that wouldn't come back to you, no.

1201
02:05:14,890 --> 02:05:17,650
>> okay, just curious because there's been no discussion or there's been nothing said about it. So I was just curious.

1202
02:05:21,805 --> 02:05:25,780
>> it's also not appropriate for public consumption. That will be dealt with internally.

1203
02:05:28,705 --> 02:05:30,610
that's what I was trying to find out. >> that answers my question. Thank you.

1204
02:05:33,310 --> 02:05:35,665
>> and I'd like to make one more comment. Like I said, I visit the park numerous times with my dog.

1205
02:05:38,830 --> 02:05:42,370
and I will say that all the times that I visit most of in the morning, a couple of times in the evenings,

1206
02:05:43,840 --> 02:05:46,195
but I've never had an issue with parking. There's always been ample parking available all around it.

1207
02:05:48,370 --> 02:05:48,370
so you know, I hadn't have a park a block away in order to get a space.

1208
02:05:53,635 --> 02:05:57,145
it's usually always been right in front of the park, so right? >> thank you.

1209
02:05:58,105 --> 02:06:01,780
>> before we deliberate, are there any comments from the public? >> no.

1210
02:06:02,740 --> 02:06:04,930
>> no comments from the public. Any comments or deliberation before we entertain a motion. Mr. Blum.

1211
02:06:13,860 --> 02:06:17,395
>> I just want to make sure that we incorporate the citizen comments letter into this also,

1212
02:06:21,085 --> 02:06:23,470
that we take that into consideration also. >> so can I get a motion?

1213
02:06:25,990 --> 02:06:25,990
>> I'd like to make a motion that we approve the motion for the fire station.

1214
02:06:32,165 --> 02:06:33,840
at the same time, I would like to make sure that we, the staff,

1215
02:06:36,510 --> 02:06:36,510
would take a look at some of the suggestions or enhancements that we

1216
02:06:40,860 --> 02:06:40,860
got on this letter from some of the residents there that won't slow the process down.

1217
02:06:45,690 --> 02:06:47,640
I think john, you, and I talked about that, that can be done at the very execution portion or something; is that correct?

1218
02:06:52,365 --> 02:06:55,050
>> yeah, we'll see direction from counsel and we can resolve that through the submission of final plans.

1219
02:06:57,900 --> 02:06:57,900
>> and as far as the grassy area leaving that the same,

1220
02:07:02,290 --> 02:07:02,290
we can also take that in consideration during the final execution phase also.

1221
02:07:06,655 --> 02:07:06,655
>> I mean, we need to plan for it because it's going to be paved.

1222
02:07:10,750 --> 02:07:13,585
it will be in the design requirement. >> so based on that, I'd like to make a motion that we approve the fire station.

1223
02:07:17,815 --> 02:07:20,320
>> do you have a second? >> second. >> second.

1224
02:07:23,800 --> 02:07:27,740
>> commissioner blum. All in favor? >> aye. >> aye. >> aye.

1225
02:07:28,345 --> 02:07:29,695
>> any opposed? >> well, I want to get my question in before we [overlapping].

1226
02:07:32,890 --> 02:07:34,165
>> hold on. >> commissioner blum is not voting tonight.

1227
02:07:37,225 --> 02:07:41,200
>> sorry. >> I second motion. >> before we second the motion, can I ask the question?

1228
02:07:43,540 --> 02:07:45,715
>> sure. >> commissioner guisinger. >> are we voting to pave over the grassy area or leave it as is?

1229
02:07:52,590 --> 02:07:56,185
>> the current plan is to pave it over, right? >> I'd like to keep it grassy.

1230
02:07:57,805 --> 02:07:59,740
>> I'd like to keep it grassy. That's why I'm asking in this motion that we make a decision on the grassy knoll.

1231
02:08:03,985 --> 02:08:06,235
>> so would you like to modify your motion? >> yeah, I'd like to make a motion that we approve it and hold off

1232
02:08:09,610 --> 02:08:13,060
on paving the grassy area that we talked to until later on, and that might be subject of a different conversation.

1233
02:08:16,540 --> 02:08:18,655
>> thank you. >> I second the motion. >> second by commissioner guisinger. All those in favor.

1234
02:08:23,335 --> 02:08:26,065
>> aye. >> aye. >> any opposed? >> thank you. Moving on to the jupiter fire rescue department, piatt.

1235
02:08:33,400 --> 02:08:37,165
am I saying that right? Piatt place? >> piatt. >> piatt place. Special exception on site plan approval.

1236
02:08:41,860 --> 02:08:41,860
we will start with any ex parte disclosures, commissioner blum.

1237
02:08:48,955 --> 02:08:52,825
>> I've driven by. >> commission kelso. >> I've driven by as well.

1238
02:08:54,760 --> 02:08:57,370
>> me as well walked the site. >> driven by google earth.

1239
02:09:00,265 --> 02:09:03,940
>> I've driven by and talked to staff. >> I've driven by also.

1240
02:09:06,280 --> 02:09:08,580
>> driven by. >> thank you. Applicant.

1241
02:09:13,470 --> 02:09:13,470
>> good evening again,

1242
02:09:17,650 --> 02:09:21,205
doug murray with wgi on behalf of the applicant. Before you, we have the jupiter fire rescue department hyatt station.

1243
02:09:26,880 --> 02:09:30,220
the application requests are for site plan application, special exception to approve the development of the fire station.

1244
02:09:34,950 --> 02:09:37,945
project location map. It is on us one,

1245
02:09:40,210 --> 02:09:40,210
just north of the harborside development on the west side of us 1,

1246
02:09:45,220 --> 02:09:45,220
and also just southwest of the burt reynolds park.

1247
02:09:50,730 --> 02:09:50,730
the future land use of the development is commercial also within

1248
02:09:56,080 --> 02:09:56,080
the us 1 intercostal waterway district and waterway commercial and entertainment sector.

1249
02:10:03,900 --> 02:10:06,355
the zoning of the site, also us 1 and intercostal waterway corridor district and waterway

1250
02:10:11,470 --> 02:10:11,470
commercial and entertainment district and surrounding uses.

1251
02:10:20,530 --> 02:10:24,295
there is, again, just north of the harborside development there is a vacant property between the subject site and harborside.

1252
02:10:29,755 --> 02:10:32,410
you see to the east is burt reynolds park. To the north is burt reynolds park.

1253
02:10:34,060 --> 02:10:37,345
additional boat ramps, and directly to the east is the existing palm beach county fire station.

1254
02:10:45,570 --> 02:10:49,300
here's the proposed site plan. The total site area outlined in black that you see is about 4.7 acres.

1255
02:10:56,490 --> 02:10:56,490
one important thing is the area that you see that's outlined in the brighter green,

1256
02:11:01,240 --> 02:11:04,285
that northern is actually the western boundary. Of this is the edge of the existing mangroves, the existing wetlands.

1257
02:11:09,545 --> 02:11:13,190
there won't be any impacts to the existing wetlands. I don't have an aerial,

1258
02:11:15,940 --> 02:11:19,480
but maybe you can see a little bit of the aerial on the previous slide. There is an existing the remains of a parking structure,

1259
02:11:23,560 --> 02:11:26,200
so that area was already impacted. It was a development that was abandoned,

1260
02:11:29,560 --> 02:11:32,500
so that was already impacted. Fire station, again as on the southwest corner of the site here,

1261
02:11:37,555 --> 02:11:37,555
two story 13,800 square feet.

1262
02:11:41,910 --> 02:11:45,805
parking provided is 26 spaces. For the access to this site,

1263
02:11:48,385 --> 02:11:51,820
there's a new egress off of highway us 1, and then the egress actually take place on the old jupiter beach road.

1264
02:11:57,460 --> 02:12:00,040
it's currently not developed as a road, but that'll be improved for the egress to the fire station egress only.

1265
02:12:06,950 --> 02:12:10,110
as part of this, there will be median brakes created, which will be emergency use only.

1266
02:12:12,395 --> 02:12:12,395
so northbound exiting fire trucks can get through

1267
02:12:17,455 --> 02:12:20,710
median for emergency purposes and then northbound left turn into the site for emergency purposes.

1268
02:12:26,970 --> 02:12:30,670
then other feature that was developed, working with staff is a rain garden,

1269
02:12:32,740 --> 02:12:35,605
which is where the detention area will go. That's enhanced for a garden feature, enhanced landscape.

1270
02:12:42,330 --> 02:12:46,180
the section of the northern portion of the development will just remain vacant at this time,

1271
02:12:49,690 --> 02:12:49,690
but there is potential for future development of any park feature.

1272
02:12:55,285 --> 02:12:55,285
I think staff will discuss that in a little more detail.

1273
02:13:00,780 --> 02:13:00,780
here's the proposed building elevations.

1274
02:13:07,020 --> 02:13:10,885
again, we work very closely with staff on these. We did not have a rendering at this time to show you,

1275
02:13:14,260 --> 02:13:16,930
unfortunately, but this is the landscape plan. You can see again,

1276
02:13:18,430 --> 02:13:22,075
we have substantial landscaping proposed along us one, as well as surrounding fire station.

1277
02:13:29,460 --> 02:13:31,540
and staff assessment, the requested site plan amendments in compliance with the town code.

1278
02:13:34,450 --> 02:13:36,910
conditions are included in the resolution to address some minor details of the plans and future signage.

1279
02:13:41,820 --> 02:13:43,990
that concludes my presentation. >> thank you.

1280
02:13:49,320 --> 02:13:52,315
>> good evening, commissioners, garrett watson, for the record with planning and zoning.

1281
02:13:55,030 --> 02:13:57,480
I'll be brief on this. Much like the cinquez station, the piatt site,

1282
02:14:02,425 --> 02:14:02,425
the goal was to try to minimize the amount of land utilized for the fire station.

1283
02:14:07,750 --> 02:14:07,750
the plan really started with that as the main goal.

1284
02:14:11,785 --> 02:14:15,520
you'll see in your packages, there's an sp2, which is right below the main site plan.

1285
02:14:18,160 --> 02:14:18,160
that site plan lays out a conceptual second phase of this property.

1286
02:14:22,330 --> 02:14:24,940
the council actually has a strategic priority, a current strategic priority for piatt to investigate some other uses on the property.

1287
02:14:29,680 --> 02:14:33,100
and the idea with sp2 is to generally entitle the site plan with some of those uses that have been discussed.

1288
02:14:36,970 --> 02:14:36,970
those uses include a riverwalk connection loop to the riverwalk,

1289
02:14:42,145 --> 02:14:44,230
as well as planned sun trail improvements, which are along the sidewalk on us highway 1,

1290
02:14:46,945 --> 02:14:46,945
potential for a future kayak launch and marine and environmental enhancement areas.

1291
02:14:52,615 --> 02:14:52,615
so if the council desires those types of uses in more detail,

1292
02:14:57,070 --> 02:14:59,050
we can either do a future roundtable. They can discuss it as part of the parks master plan.

1293
02:15:01,615 --> 02:15:04,000
numerous ways for them to give us some feedback on that, but the idea is just to lay that out there that we left

1294
02:15:07,270 --> 02:15:07,270
a lot of the site open for good things to continue to happen on that property.

1295
02:15:11,845 --> 02:15:14,995
there's a minor condition as part of the site plan, which mr. Murray noted.

1296
02:15:16,420 --> 02:15:18,430
it's the creation of a rain garden. We're still working on some of the details with that.

1297
02:15:20,785 --> 02:15:23,350
we just have a condition that will work out those details. We want to make sure it captures the storm water from the roof to the greatest extent

1298
02:15:26,770 --> 02:15:30,220
possible and actually feeds that water into the rain garden and that we cite appropriate materials to make sure that they can handle that water and

1299
02:15:34,240 --> 02:15:34,240
make for a really nice element along us highway 1.

1300
02:15:39,085 --> 02:15:41,980
as mr. Murray noted previously, the site was significantly disturbed, however,

1301
02:15:44,530 --> 02:15:44,530
there's a spectacular mangrove forest that is just to the west of this site.

1302
02:15:50,320 --> 02:15:53,320
the property was inundated with exotics previously in coordination with fdot as part of the bridge project.

1303
02:15:57,745 --> 02:15:59,680
a lot of those exotics were removed. What remains on the site is to be not touched.

1304
02:16:03,550 --> 02:16:03,550
we're not touching the mangrove forest as part of that.

1305
02:16:08,095 --> 02:16:11,440
in addition to that, the code in the comp plan requires that we do a transitional upland buffer whenever we border wetlands.

1306
02:16:15,040 --> 02:16:17,080
that's being proposed here. However, given that there's two phases to the development of this property,

1307
02:16:21,505 --> 02:16:25,360
there's the fire department phase, the fire station phase, and the potential park improvement phase.

1308
02:16:28,405 --> 02:16:28,405
we have a minor condition here as well that we just identify through the planting plan,

1309
02:16:33,490 --> 02:16:36,880
what parts of that transitional buffer get done with phase 1, what part gets done with phase 2.

1310
02:16:38,965 --> 02:16:42,940
ideally, the portion that borders the fire station will be done at first, and then the remainder of the park will be whatever that is in the future,

1311
02:16:46,300 --> 02:16:46,300
that will be handled at that time.

1312
02:16:50,520 --> 02:16:53,410
unlike cinquez station, this station meets the design criteria of this.

1313
02:16:56,620 --> 02:16:59,530
we worked very closely with the applicant to make sure it met the design criteria of the sector of the town code.

1314
02:17:02,590 --> 02:17:05,140
we also this project, we did receive the palm beach county traffic approval letter

1315
02:17:07,795 --> 02:17:09,400
pretty early on with this project, so that has been done with this project as well and we have limited

1316
02:17:13,765 --> 02:17:15,730
the free standing signage with an identical condition to what was in the cinquez park property.

1317
02:17:19,465 --> 02:17:19,465
again, no signage proposed in terms of free standing signage for this property.

1318
02:17:23,875 --> 02:17:27,100
but if it ever is, it could be used as a pedestrian amenity, we could develop something there,

1319
02:17:28,585 --> 02:17:31,450
or we would limit it to the seven feet. Just in conclusion,

1320
02:17:33,985 --> 02:17:33,985
the site plan and special exception criteria are met with this application.

1321
02:17:38,470 --> 02:17:42,205
it's consistent with the code and the comp plan with the conditions that are in there. It's compatible with the character of the area,

1322
02:17:44,980 --> 02:17:46,825
as well as the surrounding uses, as it's an integrated and essential part of the community.

1323
02:17:50,335 --> 02:17:53,530
it fronts along the commercial and mixed use corridor, that is us highway 1,

1324
02:17:55,195 --> 02:17:57,670
and it's common that these types of properties, fire stations in particular,

1325
02:17:59,215 --> 02:18:01,885
share government properties with other uses. In this case, again, a park.

1326
02:18:04,150 --> 02:18:04,150
with that, I will leave you with that and to answer your questions. Thank you.

1327
02:18:10,585 --> 02:18:13,765
>> board, questions for the applicant or staff, starting with commissioner blum.

1328
02:18:15,400 --> 02:18:18,475
>> a few months back, we talked about some vacant land that was just south of this property, correct?

1329
02:18:22,795 --> 02:18:22,795
that we looked at some housing as well as some commercial use?

1330
02:18:27,625 --> 02:18:30,070
>> that's correct. Directly south of this property, the kb carlin project.

1331
02:18:31,885 --> 02:18:35,470
>> so have they weighed in on this? Are they're aware of this? >> they were provided the plans early on,

1332
02:18:37,720 --> 02:18:38,935
but as it was, it did not move forward through counsel.

1333
02:18:42,240 --> 02:18:42,240
nothing has happened on that project since it went through counsel.

1334
02:18:47,640 --> 02:18:47,640
>> and what happens to the fire station across the street?

1335
02:18:52,795 --> 02:18:52,795
that's owned by palm beach county, correct?

1336
02:18:57,810 --> 02:18:57,810
>> we just don't know what they'll do with it.

1337
02:19:03,330 --> 02:19:03,330
>> they indicate they're going to continue to operate it at this time.

1338
02:19:09,690 --> 02:19:13,255
>> the one on military, is that owned by jupiter? >> the military station was donated to

1339
02:19:17,560 --> 02:19:17,560
the county by the town of jupiter as part of the abacoa development order,

1340
02:19:22,420 --> 02:19:24,865
we had acquired it through that process. There is a clause in that deed that it

1341
02:19:29,200 --> 02:19:30,940
returns to the town at such time that palm beach county no longer provides fire service to the town.

1342
02:19:34,135 --> 02:19:34,135
that will be taken over by the town and be the third station for fire rescue in jupiter.

1343
02:19:40,030 --> 02:19:42,535
>> that's all I have. Thank you. >> commissioner kelso.

1344
02:19:44,620 --> 02:19:47,890
three things. One, I love the sun trail river walk connector and the rain garden features.

1345
02:19:51,715 --> 02:19:54,610
that's excellent, especially in that area. I also highly agree with the recommendation to install

1346
02:19:58,150 --> 02:19:58,150
the entire landscape buffer along us1 to provide that cohesive streetscape.

1347
02:20:03,010 --> 02:20:04,630
I like that as well. The same condition we had before with the seven-foot sign max,

1348
02:20:08,485 --> 02:20:08,485
that we have some square footage or with maximum as well with that.

1349
02:20:13,730 --> 02:20:15,900
the last thing you have there is a potential kayak launch when I looked at where you have that,

1350
02:20:19,110 --> 02:20:23,010
how would you get to it from the property? >> [overlapping] it would be with the river walk connector,

1351
02:20:27,760 --> 02:20:30,430
so we would punch through, and we would also be doing marine enhancements,

1352
02:20:33,760 --> 02:20:35,665
which is a separate project, but that needs to go through council.

1353
02:20:40,285 --> 02:20:40,285
we're just looking at a conceptual approval in terms of phase two,

1354
02:20:44,620 --> 02:20:46,825
which is having a general river walk. If you look at sp2 in your plans,

1355
02:20:49,615 --> 02:20:52,300
it just has a dotted line for a river walk, and then also the added benefit

1356
02:20:56,275 --> 02:20:56,275
of having a kayak launch through there is if you look at this aerial,

1357
02:21:00,550 --> 02:21:03,535
you see a lot of vessels moored over there. There's a requirement for 150 feet from any vessels,

1358
02:21:09,370 --> 02:21:12,460
so kayak launch would be applicable, those would have to move away to meet that requirement.

1359
02:21:18,055 --> 02:21:21,040
>> I just wanted to say that I'm very much a big proponent for the river walk and the continuation and the connectivity of that.

1360
02:21:24,115 --> 02:21:24,115
anything that goes to that I for it. Thank you.

1361
02:21:28,770 --> 02:21:32,080
>> my comments are all positive about this. I think it looks great.

1362
02:21:33,220 --> 02:21:33,220
I love the environmental enhancements and the concern about the environment.

1363
02:21:37,865 --> 02:21:37,865
it was an eyesore beforehand with that big slab of cement there,

1364
02:21:42,315 --> 02:21:44,970
and never got built up and has always been that way. This is a drastic improvement.

1365
02:21:47,850 --> 02:21:50,040
my one question is, I know there's timing with building there because of the us1 bridge construction.

1366
02:21:54,415 --> 02:21:54,415
how is that going to work if the timing is not

1367
02:21:58,465 --> 02:21:58,465
favorable to building when us1 gets done because if it gets delayed,

1368
02:22:05,230 --> 02:22:05,230
how will the fire department take care of the north side of the river?

1369
02:22:10,920 --> 02:22:14,860
>> I don't know if thomas is here. He might be able to weigh in a little more, but I will tell you that,

1370
02:22:16,375 --> 02:22:18,250
and you've been there. There's this incredibly horrid concrete underground structure there.

1371
02:22:23,650 --> 02:22:23,650
it's going to take us some time to tear that thing out and fill it back in.

1372
02:22:28,030 --> 02:22:28,030
the initial construction work that's there is really demolition work on

1373
02:22:32,470 --> 02:22:32,470
site itself and then fill work on site itself.

1374
02:22:37,075 --> 02:22:37,075
we don't anticipate construction starting of the actual building closer to january.

1375
02:22:44,755 --> 02:22:48,280
as I understand, we're hoping that's right about getting close to the time when the bridge should be getting ready to open.

1376
02:22:51,670 --> 02:22:54,385
again, thomas could weigh in a lot more than I could on that. We are sensitive to that.

1377
02:22:57,175 --> 02:22:57,175
we think we've got our timing lined up.

1378
02:23:02,850 --> 02:23:02,850
>> thomas hernandez, director of engineering and public works for the town of jupiter.

1379
02:23:07,735 --> 02:23:07,735
I believe in your question you were asking about opening up and

1380
02:23:12,610 --> 02:23:14,530
construction related to service for the town of jupiter service on the other side of the bridge.

1381
02:23:17,365 --> 02:23:17,365
the town of jupiter's fire department comes online at october 1, 2026.

1382
02:23:23,860 --> 02:23:23,860
at that point, the bridge projects will already have

1383
02:23:28,150 --> 02:23:28,150
one lane in each direction and likely be completed entirely by that time.

1384
02:23:33,220 --> 02:23:36,920
chief had alluded, we're working on that. >> aren't they using that for staging area though,

1385
02:23:38,880 --> 02:23:40,635
so they'll be pulled out of there by then? >> correct. They are currently using the contractor,

1386
02:23:45,000 --> 02:23:47,385
which is johnson brothers construction, also a southland holdings is currently utilizing it.

1387
02:23:51,160 --> 02:23:51,160
there is a contemporary construction easement agreement between

1388
02:23:55,330 --> 02:23:55,330
the town and that company to utilize it for the laydown area.

1389
02:23:59,455 --> 02:23:59,455
we're currently in discussions with that contractor to work on getting

1390
02:24:04,030 --> 02:24:04,030
them a new location and get them relocated over another site.

1391
02:24:09,970 --> 02:24:09,970
trying to work with them as well as some of the other adjacent property owner.

1392
02:24:15,990 --> 02:24:15,990
we've been in discussions with them for some time now and looking to finalize those.

1393
02:24:22,070 --> 02:24:25,250
>> thank you. >> commissioner dunning.

1394
02:24:27,350 --> 02:24:27,350
>> well, I think it's a great plan considering the alternatives.

1395
02:24:31,600 --> 02:24:35,020
it really distresses me that we have a fire department right across the street there that palm beach county won't let us have.

1396
02:24:39,355 --> 02:24:41,980
I know you're not a sue say or anything like that. What would they possibly utilize the site for if they're not going to be servicing it?

1397
02:24:46,930 --> 02:24:50,160
do you have any idea? Have you heard anything on that? >> my direct question to them about that,

1398
02:24:54,445 --> 02:24:54,445
they responded that they plan on continuing to use that site to provide fire service.

1399
02:25:00,040 --> 02:25:02,470
I think based on the numbers that we're aware of, that's about one call per day or a little less actually than one call per day.

1400
02:25:06,640 --> 02:25:10,150
we've indicated through the mayor and others that we'd be willing to purchase, buy, lease,

1401
02:25:13,840 --> 02:25:17,260
contract, whatever it is for that station and we'd be willing to run those calls at no cost to the county in any way shape, or form.

1402
02:25:21,130 --> 02:25:21,130
that one call per day wouldn't really hamper any of our functions,

1403
02:25:25,750 --> 02:25:28,930
but they've indicated that they don't want to do that and we don't have any control over them.

1404
02:25:32,080 --> 02:25:32,080
there's a couple of residents who have sent letters to the county commissioner recently

1405
02:25:37,300 --> 02:25:37,300
about that and responses of all come back that we're not changing our mind.

1406
02:25:42,655 --> 02:25:46,030
>> what service area are they talking about? >> there are these county pockets throughout jupiter,

1407
02:25:49,435 --> 02:25:49,435
and so there's that whole-.

1408
02:25:54,355 --> 02:25:55,435
>> jonathan's landing. >> that whole area, actually not only jonathan's landing but

1409
02:25:58,450 --> 02:25:58,450
the public shopping plaza there and along indian town road.

1410
02:26:03,010 --> 02:26:04,960
that whole area is a county pocket. That is the largest area that it would serve and then there are a couple,

1411
02:26:08,290 --> 02:26:09,940
the whole dubois park, and that area of the park is all county.

1412
02:26:13,135 --> 02:26:14,560
there are a few little pockets, maybe right along near a1a up by the bridge,

1413
02:26:18,670 --> 02:26:22,060
little pockets here and there. Small areas. >> I got it. Proceed on.

1414
02:26:23,935 --> 02:26:25,900
I like the river walk idea, too. That's really very enchanting. That's all I have.

1415
02:26:29,140 --> 02:26:32,890
>> thanks, commissioner dunning. Commissioner guisinger. >> have you provided fdot an end date when they have to

1416
02:26:37,150 --> 02:26:37,150
vacate that property for construction to begin on time?

1417
02:26:42,720 --> 02:26:44,770
I know you're in negotiation, but sometime this is a date you have to be off the land.

1418
02:26:47,770 --> 02:26:47,770
>> we have provided a date when we would like the relocation to be complete.

1419
02:26:53,125 --> 02:26:57,040
we're looking to start the demolition of the existing parking structure by october 1st of this year.

1420
02:27:01,375 --> 02:27:04,075
ideally, by september the 30th, everybody would be off for all items as whether it's containers, materials, et cetera.

1421
02:27:11,170 --> 02:27:15,100
but ideally as soon as possible, and even in working with them,

1422
02:27:16,705 --> 02:27:18,940
the contractor has indicated. They want to get it done ideally sooner because

1423
02:27:23,455 --> 02:27:25,030
there's some things in their own construction schedule that they don't want to tie up with that.

1424
02:27:29,670 --> 02:27:29,670
>> thank you. I still don't like the signage for the fire station on the north side.

1425
02:27:35,725 --> 02:27:37,930
as you drive by [inaudible], that's where I wanted to go see it as opposed to long us1,

1426
02:27:41,830 --> 02:27:41,830
but I understand tradition is tradition, I guess.

1427
02:27:47,460 --> 02:27:51,130
one last question, what about the elevation of the fire station? Just out of curiosity.

1428
02:27:52,390 --> 02:27:55,405
that's a lot of wetland sitting on there. During a hurricane scene was that fire station being evacuation zone?

1429
02:28:01,200 --> 02:28:01,200
>> one of the conditions we're putting in the design construction criteria packages

1430
02:28:06,400 --> 02:28:06,400
that that the finished floor elevation be above the category 5 storm surge level.

1431
02:28:12,460 --> 02:28:15,910
that's all being taken into account through the engineers to make sure that the station will be above those levels.

1432
02:28:20,230 --> 02:28:22,630
>> let me see if I had one more. We talked about the signage square area.

1433
02:28:25,645 --> 02:28:27,550
I only add one more thing. Back in 1985, my brother-in-law and his fiance had

1434
02:28:32,860 --> 02:28:32,860
put in a contract to have their reception at the [inaudible].

1435
02:28:37,810 --> 02:28:40,360
[laughter] they had to slab and frame everything, and within, like, six months I told them, we're not going to complete it,

1436
02:28:42,160 --> 02:28:43,180
so I had to find a new venue. [laughter] little history there back two years.

1437
02:28:49,060 --> 02:28:51,490
>> thank you. >> that's all the questions I have. >> commissioner vinson.

1438
02:28:54,000 --> 02:28:56,950
>> what's going to happen? Are there going to be two emergency lights that are going to be activated,

1439
02:29:00,220 --> 02:29:02,710
one for rescue, I believe it's 18, and then one for the new fire station within a short block of each other?

1440
02:29:09,990 --> 02:29:09,990
>> I don't know how many feet, but away to the north is that intersection to the park,

1441
02:29:14,725 --> 02:29:17,020
and there is an emergency signal there that that fire station the county operates would control.

1442
02:29:20,800 --> 02:29:23,290
then our emergency signal at that median cut-through is quite a bit further to the south and that would

1443
02:29:27,280 --> 02:29:27,280
be activated for this station to go north or to go south.

1444
02:29:34,075 --> 02:29:34,075
but primarily it's to gain access to that north because of the traffic,

1445
02:29:38,380 --> 02:29:41,380
we have to stop it all to get through that cut-through. >> there'll be two. >> there are two separate ones.

1446
02:29:42,880 --> 02:29:42,880
but again, funny, the same call volume is going to exist for one station,

1447
02:29:50,400 --> 02:29:52,290
it'll just be split in two. The light won't be activated anymore,

1448
02:29:54,450 --> 02:29:56,610
it'll be once a day, that one gets activated and another five times a day, we activate ours.

1449
02:30:04,080 --> 02:30:04,080
>> I am definitely in favor of the river walk. That's all I got.

1450
02:30:10,450 --> 02:30:14,440
>> commissioner keenan. >> I think everything's been covered. It's unfortunate circumstances to have such duplication,

1451
02:30:18,040 --> 02:30:21,415
but it's a win-win. You've done a great job. Thank you. >> quick questions from me.

1452
02:30:24,010 --> 02:30:24,010
rain garden. I'm picturing a retention basin with plantings.

1453
02:30:31,255 --> 02:30:34,285
it's just a slightly depressed area. I'm a civil engineer by training,

1454
02:30:36,250 --> 02:30:39,130
so these things are interesting to me. But it's a depressed area, so the water that runs off from the roof of the firehouse

1455
02:30:42,745 --> 02:30:42,745
sits there and then is measured out into the system,

1456
02:30:47,350 --> 02:30:49,720
so it doesn't all go in once. You see these everywhere,

1457
02:30:51,520 --> 02:30:53,815
but they're usually not nicely landscaped. That's what a rain garden is. I didn't see any in here.

1458
02:30:57,310 --> 02:31:00,685
does this firehouse also have a community room in it? It does. Great. Those are all the questions I had.

1459
02:31:04,930 --> 02:31:07,600
>> can I ask one additional question? >> certainly. >> technical question, the dynamic emergency traffic preemptions.

1460
02:31:12,610 --> 02:31:15,760
we're using it, but that's a good question since the palm beach county would still be using our roadways for various things,

1461
02:31:19,480 --> 02:31:22,285
would they have access to that same program? >> it was our intent to utilize traffic preemption for the safety of the residents,

1462
02:31:27,430 --> 02:31:28,780
the safety of the firefighters, as well as the folks that we're responding to to get there quicker.

1463
02:31:33,370 --> 02:31:33,370
it's interesting enough that right now, palm beach county,

1464
02:31:38,515 --> 02:31:38,515
signalization in the county is almost entirely controlled by palm beach county,

1465
02:31:43,270 --> 02:31:44,650
including here in jupiter. I think there's only two communities that aren't on the county system.

1466
02:31:47,800 --> 02:31:50,995
that's the town of palm beach and boca raton. All other communities utilize palm beach county.

1467
02:31:53,935 --> 02:31:56,500
palm beach county is currently out to bid right now for a county-wide traffic preemption system.

1468
02:31:59,545 --> 02:31:59,545
that bid is supposed to be announced sometime in july 19th,

1469
02:32:04,960 --> 02:32:08,260
I think, but I don't know for sure, it's been pushed back several times. But it's very likely that there's going to be

1470
02:32:11,050 --> 02:32:13,600
a single county-wide traffic preemption system for all fire departments with the exception of the town of palm beach,

1471
02:32:16,645 --> 02:32:20,125
who already has their own, and boca raton, who already has their own. >> if they get theirs, we would not put in something.

1472
02:32:22,855 --> 02:32:25,315
>> we'd be able to utilize the one that they're putting in. Or ideally what we would do is say, hey,

1473
02:32:28,675 --> 02:32:28,675
we're going to make sure we have the exact same one so that it's all compatible.

1474
02:32:36,510 --> 02:32:40,045
>> certainly. >> this is just a follow-up, is my own interest. Because you're near the water.

1475
02:32:41,605 --> 02:32:45,205
you were talking about the sand and the oil traps before. Are there any extra precautions?

1476
02:32:47,095 --> 02:32:50,350
you have to locate them differently because of the mangroves. >> now we're all way back away from the mangroves,

1477
02:32:52,990 --> 02:32:54,940
and we're going to use all the same precautions. They're being built into the design to ensure that we protect both sites environmentally.

1478
02:33:02,580 --> 02:33:02,580
>> thank you. Public comments.

1479
02:33:07,350 --> 02:33:09,475
>> we don't have any. >> thank you. Comments or deliberation before we entertain a motion?

1480
02:33:21,390 --> 02:33:21,390
if not, can we entertain it or would someone like to make a motion?

1481
02:33:25,690 --> 02:33:28,720
>> I'd like to make a motion to approve the exception of site plan application for the piatt fire station.

1482
02:33:34,030 --> 02:33:37,375
>> motion made by commissioner guisinger, do I have a second? >> second.

1483
02:33:38,545 --> 02:33:42,055
>> commissioner cassatly. All those in favor. >> aye.

1484
02:33:43,075 --> 02:33:43,075
>> any opposed? No. Thank you, everyone.

1485
02:33:50,470 --> 02:33:50,470
staff update. Any report on recent town council actions on commission items.

1486
02:33:56,830 --> 02:33:59,650
>> at the june 18th, town council meeting, the council approved the rezoning of the kb carlin property,

1487
02:34:04,240 --> 02:34:04,240
which is south of the piatt.

1488
02:34:09,780 --> 02:34:09,780
>> are you switching it?

1489
02:34:20,940 --> 02:34:24,505
>> approved by the town council. Also, as we noted in the I cinquez park,

1490
02:34:29,490 --> 02:34:32,800
application tonight that the first reading of the future land use map amendment was approved.

1491
02:34:36,100 --> 02:34:36,100
then on the 954 old dixie highway application,

1492
02:34:42,070 --> 02:34:42,070
the council denied the request to amend the condition.

1493
02:34:48,090 --> 02:34:48,090
>> thank you. I'd like to adjourn.

1494
02:34:53,185 --> 02:34:57,085
do I have a motion to adjourn? >> second. >> so moved. >> all in favor?

1495
02:34:58,735 --> 02:35:02,140
>> aye. >> aye. >> an opposed? Next meeting, tuesday, august 13th. Thanks, everyone.

1496
02:35:05,155 --> 02:35:05,155
>> great.