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So, we'll go ahead and start.

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Good evening. We'll go ahead and start tonight's closed session meeting at 6 p.m., calling the meeting to order at 6 p.m., may we please have roll call. Councilmember Carmona? Councilmember Sanchez? Here. Mayor Patenborajas? Here. Mayor Berksen? Here. And Councilmember Silva is going to be joining the Council shortly. Very good. Are there any public comments before we go into closed session? Anybody in the audience wishing to speak on a closed session item before we begin?

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We're going to close session.

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Very good, then we will adjourn to close session.

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Good evening, everybody.

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Thank you for being here at the Hyruva Valley City Council meeting on January 15th, 2026.

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It's very nice to see a full house as we begin the year.

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Do we have any Mr. Thorsen?

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Do we have any items to report from close session?

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No reportable actions from close session.

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All right, very good.

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Then we will go ahead and I will call the open session meeting, regular session meeting to order at 710.

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then, can we please have a roll call.

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Councilmember Carmona?

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Here.

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Councilmember Sanchez?

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Here.

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Councilmember Silva?

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Here.

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Mayor Potembe-Rajas?

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Here.

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And Mayor Berkson?

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Here.

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All right, very good.

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With that, we will move to the invocation,

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which we'll be given by Pastor Greg Rendell from Calvary Chapel.

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And please remain standing for the Pledge of Allegiance,

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which will be led by Mayor Potembe-Rajas.

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Mr. Mayor, the City Council, thank you for having me.

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Let's pray, Lord, we thank you so much for allowing us to live here in the United States

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of America.

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What a blessing.

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Secondly, Lord, to live in California, oh, real honor, Lord.

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We thank you so much for immersing your kindness.

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Most importantly, Lord, we thank you for allowing us to be residents of the City of Harupe

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Valley.

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And so at our meeting tonight, Lord, I humbly ask for your wisdom, your wisdom from above,

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not opinion, but direction.

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Let the city continue to be guided by you.

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Give us the intelligence to follow your lead in order to glorify you and certainly benefit

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ourselves, our families, and those who come.

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We thank you, Lord, bless this meeting in Jesus' name, amen.

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All right, we'll move to item 7, approval of the agenda.

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Are there any modifications to tonight's agenda?

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Madam Clerk, nothing?

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Okay, everybody good?

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We need a motion to approve.

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Motion to approve.

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Need a second?

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Motion passes 5-0.

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Next is a presentation by Mayor Pretembera-Huss.

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I don't know.

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right, thank you all for being here again. Happy new year. I hope you all have great

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holiday season with your families. At this moment, I wanted to present a recognition

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to Mayor Brian Whitton for being mayor last year. So with this, I want to present with

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your sincere appreciation for your leadership as mayor in 2025. And we look to continue success

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So, with that, is anyone having any words?

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All right.

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Fixer.

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Thank you, everybody.

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I just wanted to let my colleagues know my sincere gratitude for being the mayor in 2025,

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allowing me that privilege and honor to do that and speak on behalf of the city.

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I think we've done quite at least in the second half of last year, we have tackled a number of major issues

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that was like the first half of the major list, and now we'll start this year addressing some of those major issues on the second half of the list.

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And so you will probably be in the city hall chambers a lot more than you like to, because we're going to talk about things that are important to all of us.

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So I appreciate the continued support of my colleagues to allow me to continue to sit in this position as mayor this year.

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here and I look forward to doing everything we can to make Rupa Valley as amazing and awesome

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as we can.

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So thank you all, appreciate everybody that's here and appreciate my colleagues.

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So thank you.

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With that, we will move to public appearance comments.

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We have a bunch of cards.

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So you'll have three minutes to address the City Council with any items that are not on

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Agenda, realize for those who haven't been addressed us in the past, we are not able to respond directly to most of your questions or comments because they are not agendized items, but staff will be here to assist you and we can ask very limited questions to staff if there is something that pertains.

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First speaker tonight is Henry Esclar.

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I know you know my name, but it's Henry Escalera.

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I'd like to speak on planning.

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I think the city has very poor planning.

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For one, you guys are changing rules here today on a project going on on Wainville and Limonite to make a 16 highway.

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Well, I think you need to work on what we do have our problems between beach and bain.

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We come from a two-lane road into a one-lane road, that's where it backs up, even to this place here, it backs up.

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So I think we need to think on what the city needs, not what the developer is going to want.

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It's not always about the mighty dollar of what happens to Herupa Valley because I know we don't have a lot of it.

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But we need to think of what's going on for the public.

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Look at our bridge, our new bridge on Herupa, supposed to have been done five years ago.

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Well, now they're saying maybe at the end of the year, which year.

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We don't know whose fault that was, but the blame stopped that you guys.

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And as you all know, I used to be involved with the county of Riverside before we were city here.

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Anyway, my time almost stopped, but I just want to say, people are watching.

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If you want to make the people happy, you know, watch what's going on.

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The development you guys are working on on Wainville and Limonite, that's kind of been

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approved for over 25 years and your hands are kind of tied, but let's see what happens

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Thank you very much.

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Richard Miller.

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Mr. Mayor and the City Council, you guys know me very well because I have been here numerous

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to seek church over on Mission Boulevard, and here's the problem.

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Problem is, is they had a festival last year on NoMiver 9th, okay?

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Well, on 2024, they had the festival, and

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they block off streets from commuter rail all the way to Py-Rite.

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Because they block off these streets, we couldn't have my father had a heart attack in 2024.

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And we could not get the paramedics there fast enough.

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Fortunately, we had a nurse next door that was able to take care of him.

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So here's the problem.

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The problem is they don't go to the planning department.

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They don't get any permits to close down these streets.

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There's about 20 streets that is impacted on this.

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And they do this every year.

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And it seems like they're not, they're like above the law because they don't do anything,

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you know, that goes through the planning because they did the trucking thing that was

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right across the street from them, they try to do that and they're trying to still do that

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parking lot, that's still with them, okay?

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So something needs to be done with this, okay?

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I'm religious myself, so I'm not trying to say that they can't do their festival, but

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But there's people that are on my street that I talked about that are really ticked off

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because we can't get out of our property when they have this festival.

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I mean, there is over a thousand people that come to this place and they shut it down

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from communal rail all the way to Py-Rite.

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It's communal rail, proper road, Py-Rite, and Mission Boulevard, that whole area that is

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shut down.

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That is a lot of people in that area.

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So something needs to be done about this, okay?

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I looked it up on the internet and I found out that they have to go through planning,

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and then they have to go through and notify everybody in that area before they have their festival.

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Thank you very much.

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Next speaker is, looks like Amanda Swagger.

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evening Mayor Berkson, City Council, City Leadership and everyone in the audience.

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My name is Amanda Swacker, I'm a 40 plus year resident of the Rupa Valley area.

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Having a resident over by the Glen Avon Library, just north of the disaster that's the bridge

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project at Rupa Valley, and the light situation that's occurring near the Rupa Unified School

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District.

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I saw a post on social media for a Hooper Valley group that illustrated a problem with

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the light there.

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We all know the problem.

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The light's impossible to see when you're driving.

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The scary situation now occurred about three weeks ago.

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I was out enjoying the beautiful sunsets we have in Hooper here and I went to cross that street

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with my dog.

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My dog Teddy doesn't like to play by the rules and I stopped there waiting for the light.

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my signal went and I started walking. Just have a car nearly hit me in my dog who didn't

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see the light and ran the red light right there. Of course the car didn't stop. Later

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that week because I'm so tall I literally cannot see the light signal at all when I approach

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that intersection. The light had turned green but because it's impossible to see the light

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situation there. Several cars honked at me and one engaged road rage nearly hitting the back

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of my car. That intersection is an absolute disaster both for pedestrians and everyone around.

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Finally, as we're working with the road situation there, when the past rains have come,

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that area has been a flood nightmare. I saw several cars nearly stall because of the

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The road was so filled with water that I could barely walk through the area and got completely

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soaked by a car driving at way too fast through that area.

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As we focus on other things tonight that are important to the city here, just keep in

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mind.

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The local residents like to enjoy things like Agut Park, they like to enjoy things like

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watching the kids play baseball at a heartbeat field, are amazing library, and eventually

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the amazing crossing our group of valley, over a group of road.

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But the reality is, we've got to fix the small stuff.

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The big stuff is great, but these little things are impacting our community as a whole and our way of life here in group of valley.

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Thank you for your time.

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Amanda, if you could speak with one of our staff members about which specific,

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I'm assuming you're talking about Pedley and the group of road, the new light that there, that's there,

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but I'm not 100% certain, but if you can let Mike Flat right there know the specifics about where you were crossing that way our public works team can take a look and figure out what's going on.

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And Mike, can you give me updated on that one?

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I think it's in my district, so I want to make sure to follow up with Ms. Water.

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And next speaker Pam Waller.

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evening, guys, and thank you for being here.

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My name is Pam Waller, and I'm a resident of Proof of Valley.

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I want to speak to the people in this room, especially those who are here for the first time and those who may be sharing their voices publicly for the first time.

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For some, some, simple being here tonight took more courage than anyone may realize.

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I want you to know that you are not alone.

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Some of you have lived here a long time. You've watched the community grow and change.

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You carry stories, memories, and wisdom that matter.

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Your experiences are important and your voices deserve to be heard.

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being seen matters, beings heard matters and

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And even when your voice shakes, or your words don't come out, exactly the way you planned,

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your presence still carries weight. Choosing to stand here and speak tonight is an act of

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strength. I ask that we hold this space with kindness, hate, and patience, and we listen

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without judgment. We remember every person who comes forward does so, because something deeply

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personal brought them here. Tonight is not about being right or wrong, is it about it's about

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vulnerable that are supported respected and not alone to everyone else who found the courage to show up tonight

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You were seeing you were heard and you are not alone. I hope you guys will be patient with some of us. Thank you. Thank you very much

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We try to be patient with everybody

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Next speaker, Javier Polaris.

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Welcome sir. Good evening. Hello. I wrote you guys an email. I'm not sure if you're gonna get to us. I'll just read it for you

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My name is Javier Piotr. Can you pull the microphone down a drop? I can't hear you. Just thank you

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Hello, can you hear me now?

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Yeah.

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Okay, I moved here back in 09,

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where there was known as Mia Loma,

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an incorporated area of Riverside County.

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I am riding with facts, heard my research

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and observation, no emotions.

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When new cities are built, new structures,

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they literally impose on the established community,

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an established housing.

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I reside on Wymeville Avenue across the street

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from where the Eastville community begins.

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When the e-spec committee was built, they literally left the middle of the house under water.

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They raised the Y-Vill surface level and left the middle of the house on the downward slope,

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causing a man-made flooding issues.

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All my neighbors are forced to pump water out manually every time it rains, so this is a big issue.

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I've literally spent thousands of dollars sloping, grading, gutters, they left up on the water.

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So, specifically, with this new proposed building on live in the wineville, I know there's litigation with flooding issues now, they don't care about the established community.

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It doesn't matter to them.

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There's going to do their building and move on to the next neighborhood.

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So, I am definitely opposed to that built.

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I say, believe me, as it is, take care of it because right now, as we speak, you drive down wineville.

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And you'll see the hoarse fences all on the floor.

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Most of them are not standing anymore.

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The city doesn't even pick them up.

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They leave them on the trails, creating the hazard.

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And that mile, those kids are going to be longer if that gets built to the Vander Moulding Elementary School.

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That school was built for six to 700 students.

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That's where a thousand students are now.

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Now they moved in mobile units and whatnot.

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And the teachers are not able to give those kids that may need one-on-one attention, so they're up to capacity.

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So there's not be reckless and approving or I don't know how far along the process is, but

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some of us moved away from LA to get away from the concrete jungle.

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So I'm bringing it back over here.

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No room in this community for a quick one of you have.

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Thank you.

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All right, thank you, sir.

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All right, that is all the public speaker cards I have.

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So we will move on to introductions,

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acknowledgements, council comments,

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and announcements starting on my left with release of that.

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Nothing?

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Veronica?

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Thank you, just want to wish everybody a happy new year.

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Thank you for being here and giving us your time this afternoon.

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Just only council comment was just to share about the time

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that we recently went to Sacramento

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and just wanted to say that it was very informative

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and I really did appreciate the information

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that was given, we were able to understand a little bit more how, I guess, upper government

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works, got to meet with some of our assembly members, senators as well too.

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So all that information was knowledge from myself to how to continue and hearing my community

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so I know how to send up for us on bigger issues.

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So I just wanted to say that it was a very interesting event.

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And I wanted to also remind for district four we have an event coming up with Chris Moore which will be next week on Tuesday at the Senior Center.

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So we welcome everybody to attend and give their opinion about the trails there in that community.

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So thank you.

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All right, very good, Chris.

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I think again, thanks everyone for being here, thank you for your input and all of

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every speaker that's been to speak tonight.

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I want to let everyone know if you haven't seen it already, we have a community meeting

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coming up right here on Wednesday, February 18th for our next step in addressing homelessness

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across the city.

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It is to formalize our strategic plan to address homelessness, so I hope to see you guys

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here.

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All right.

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Ronaldo.

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Yeah, thank you all for joining us.

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muchas gracias por acompañarnos a todos en esta reunión tan importante. Vamos a trabajar

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muchos temas de la vivienda, de inmigración, de homelessness, y esta reunión va a ser

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muy muy importante para el futuro de la ciudad. So I just want to thank you all for joining

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us here today. Your presence is super important. We're going to cover a number of issues today

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and looking forward to hearing from everybody and listening to the people.

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A couple of things, a happy new year, as it's been shared.

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We're starting off to a very eventful,

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2026, both in the global national state and also in the local level.

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I hope everybody stays safe and warm during this large wind event.

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This last couple of weeks, a lot of rain started the year.

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We had some number of trees that were not down through down power lines.

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I got some calls from residents that were trapped inside their homes.

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So it was, I want to thank Paul and Rod for quickly responding.

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And of course, Lieutenant Shudda and the Sheriff's Department for

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for helping us to control those situations

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and appreciate everyone's patience

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as our public works team works to respond.

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There's a lot going on across the city that we're working on,

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so thank you all for your patience and for your commitment.

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Keep in us accountable, keep letting us know

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what are some of these big issues that are happening

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and keep us accountable and make sure

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that we are being responsive to those issues.

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I wish everybody a very happy and successful 2026 as a council intend to work very diligently

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and very hard this year on numerous issues which we hope will include the little things

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and the big things because we all live here and we all want to make our city great.

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So keep getting earthquake notifications. Hopefully it's not here.

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No, it's far away. Okay. All right. With that, we will go ahead and move to the approval of the minute. Oh, wait a minute. City Manager's update. How about we do that? Great. Thank you.

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Mary and Council, I have a few announcements that I'll get through as quickly as I can, and then Mr.

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Flat is going to give a little more information on the recent Sacramento trip that Council

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member Sanchez referenced a few couple of minutes ago.

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First one is that Council members Silva asked me just to give some quick information on how people can learn more.

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People that may be in the affected neighborhood near Pleasant Valley Park.

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There was an incident back around Thanksgiving time.

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where a burtech truck had to dump its trash load and that ended up some of the fire material that was sprayed to put out the fire because some of the material and the trash truck had started to catch fire flowed down, that firefighting material flowed down into Pleasant Valley Park.

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So it's gotten a little bit of traction on social media, ABC7 news was out here last week to do a quick story on it.

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You can stay updated on that if you're concerned about it, if you live in that immediate neighborhood.

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Just go to the Harupa Area Recreation Park District website.

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They're a managing that project because it happened in a cleanup project.

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happened in a city, happened in a JARPD Park, and then Burtek is ultimately responsible for coordinating the cleanup.

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JARPD's website is JARPD.org, and I checked tonight before the meeting started.

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On their homepage, if you scroll down a little bit, there's a section that is under what's happening, they have three or four items there.

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and there's a Pleasant Valley Park update that they update about once a week just to give people

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the latest information on that cleanup process. It's almost done now. They were slowed down by the

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weather, both the wind and the rain, but they're getting very close to completing that. So again,

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folks that are interested in that, JARPD.org and just check out their homepage.

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on a survey. We have a citywide freight and truck and traffic study going on currently.

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The council recently approved this. We got some grant money from the state to complete this project.

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And it's kind of looking at all the issues around freight transportation, truck traffic, within the city of Harupa Valley.

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So we really encourage our community members to fill out that survey.

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It's a short online survey, and they can give us their thoughts or ideas,

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their concerns about transportation planning and quality of life here in Rupa Valley.

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That's at our city website, so it's RupaValley.org, forward slash freight survey.

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And that's going to be open to comments until February 11th. So you've got a little less than a month

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to share your thoughts with us on that. Again, RupaValley.org, forward slash freight survey.

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I wanted to remind also community groups nonprofits that the annual process for community

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development block grant public service grant applications is underway now.

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As a process we go through every year, the council ultimately approves organizations to

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receive a portion of our block grant funding, which is federal dollars we get.

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The deadline to apply is January 31st, so you've got a couple more weeks to get your

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applications in this again would be for nonprofits serving her Rupa Valley and the city's website Rupa Valley dot org has more information on that if you are interested.

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We have a free flood preparedness workshop coming up toward the end of this month, it'll be on Tuesday, January 27th, 4 p.m. to 5.30.

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It's going to provide a lot of helpful information on how to prepare for flooding and stay safe during storm events.

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We will provide some light snacks and refreshments.

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Again, it's free, and it's going to be held at the offices of Reach Out.

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Reach Out Group of Alley, that's 8,300 Limonite Avenue, Suite F.

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And the presenter is going to be our very own Bryce Bartlett, our full-time city emergency management services coordinator.

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Thanks again, Council for approving that position in the budget this year.

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Bryce is super knowledgeable, very passionate about emergency preparedness and

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and he'll be presenting information at that event.

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Again, Tuesday, January 27th, 4 p.m. to 5.30 at the Reach Out Offices on Limonite.

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And then my last one is just a reminder that this coming Monday is the Martin Luther King

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Junior National Holiday.

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We honor that holiday here, so City Hall will be closed on Monday, January 19th.

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All day, no city offices open, but we will be back to our regular schedule on Tuesday, January

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20th.

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With that, I'll turn it over to Mr. Flagler to talk about the Sacramento trip.

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Thank you, Mr. Butler.

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So Assembly, we've done this many times by now, so, but Assembly Bill 1234 requires local agency legislators to report out on any travel expenses that were paid for by the agency.

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And as has been stated, Mayor Berkson, Mayor Pro Tembara-Has, Council members,

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Carmona and Sanchez attended the California contract, cities, Sacramento legislative tour from January 4 through January 7th.

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The expenses included travel accommodations and one meal.

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Most of the meals, as you all know, were covered during as part of the sessions, during the conference.

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Just to super high level overview, as you all recall, you met with dozens of legislators over a two day period topics included housing homelessness,

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truck impacts, a question area protections, a vehicle safety street racing,

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saying DUI vehicle-related fatalities, unfunded state mandates, and the impacts of the projected state budget deficit,

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which is the low end projection is expected to be about $18 billion.

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And then that's never good news for cities, because many times the state attempts to balance its budget on the backs of cities.

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So props to all of you for going up there representing the city, that don't just represent you here in Herpo Valley.

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They do an outstanding job representing up in Sacramento.

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And I had a few photos of some of the different meetings as you recall, there was a press conference that took place on the steps of the capital building that was directly targeted towards vehicular safety and eliminating fatalities, street racing, increasing the penalties for that.

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And then also pictured our meetings with Cervantes, Senator Cervantes, Assembly Member Castillo, and then also with the new, the swearing in of the new, first Latina and new State Senate President Pro Tem Limone, and she also spoke to the group.

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Mr. Mayor, I'll turn it back over to you just in case there's any additional thoughts that you had from the trip, but I thought it was very productive and was proud to be there with you.

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Yeah, I thought it was a very good conference.

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It is always nice to hear from senators and assembly members who are addressing other elected officials because they're not doing so in front of the camera.

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They're doing so kind of heart-to-heart given us their kind of the lowdown to behind the scenes.

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And, you know, the...

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They were just giving us, you know, they recognized their elected, we're elected, we're all kind of in the same sort of boat as far as that goes. So it was nice to hear how candid they were with us. It doesn't mean they're going to, you know, support certain things, but it was always nice to get a little more understanding about some of the senators and assembly members from Central and Northern California, because they don't see things the same way we see them down here. And it's nice when we have little one on one.

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where we kind of give them a little bit of insight as to what Southern California is like so that when they're making decisions, they kind of see the whole picture because I think that's one of the big things I recognize as they people up there do just don't understand that Northern California, Central California, Southern California, three way different animals and they all need to be treated in a completely different method, but Sacramento one size fits all, they determine a rule, they pass it and everybody has to

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follow through or follow suit, and unfortunately, they don't take into account the variety of scenarios that we face here, which they don't up there.

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So some of the people that we saw the state controller made a, let us know about the $20 billion deficit that they expect in 2027.

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And there's 14 billion, an unclaimed revenue from property tax refunds.

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So there's some kind of a website if you think you might be owed property tax money from 10,

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15, 20 years ago, the state has $14 billion of money waiting to go back to its owners.

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Anthony Viragosa, prior mayor from LA who's running for governor spoke to us more like a campaign speech rather than anything of substance.

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Latisha Castillo, our assembly woman also spoke and there was a Mike Gibson, I can't remember

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if he was a assembler or senate, but Armando asked a question about his position on unfunded

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mandates.

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I will just say Armando asked in three different ways that question and the guy struck out

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in three different ways.

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He has no idea what an unfunded mandate even is.

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And that's the people making decisions that we have to live with.

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So, you know, it's sad, but true that sometimes the people up there have no idea what's going on, and this person happens to be one of them.

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So I appreciated Armando and his diligence in asking and trying to get a legitimate answer, even though at the end of the day, we didn't.

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And then the keynote speaker was the new Senate President Pro Tem Monique Lemone.

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She gave some very good words.

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Senator Bob Archuleta and the wrap-up was a sergeant from Los Angeles Sheriff's Department.

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They are the largest police force in, I know he said in the U.S., and it may be beyond that for sheriff's departments.

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They're the largest.

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just, they actually have an office in Sacramento, which I learned on this trip.

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So they advocate for things, all year long, that affects us down in Southern California.

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Because we are much more aligned with the LA Sheriff's Department than we would be with somebody in Sacramento or San Francisco.

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Anyway, they provided us some insight about things they're looking to do this next year and

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how we can all work together.

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So those are kind of the highlight points that I picked up on and

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Again, I appreciate my colleagues who all were there, and we look forward to continuing to pursue any financial methods we can.

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And I'll throw out one last thing.

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Both meetings with Senator Cervantes and Assemblywoman Castillo, we cut to the chase, there was no pitter-pattering around.

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We want money, we want to do things for X, Y, and Z, how are you going to get us that money, how are you going to help us?

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that was the basic ask so we absolutely asked and asked and asked and we hope that they will

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provide some funding so we will keep you all informed as we progress through the year and we

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together will see if they can help us or not help us and we'll again let you know so thank you

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for that I don't know if anybody else had comments on this feel free Armando you're shaking your head

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I think it's fascinating to see how, and not speaking to any of these folks, I think they're well connected to what's happening here, but it's fascinating to see speaker after speaker of the Sacramento Assembly members, state senators, constitutional officers, and how completely disconnected they are from the issues happening.

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and not just our community, but just communities in general and how little they understand in so many cases as that one, and it's very concerning because they, while there is hearings, they do have public hearings, they're all in Sacramento.

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So the rooms where they have these hearings are probably a fourth of the size of this room here.

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So I doubt that a majority of them, especially those that didn't hold local office, have ever been in a room where they're confronted with a hundred residents, and so it's important to pay attention to who you're voting for, what they're doing, what they're following through for, what their value systems are, but it's important to see that across the state, because once you speak to these people, and

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And really it was a low-ball question, it was a very easy question that was completely

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missed and so it's unfortunate.

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Not for the question but for our state that is really missing an opportunity for great

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leadership.

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So that's what I'd say.

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But overall it was very interesting, learned a lot to be out there and it was great to be out

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there with you all.

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I'm going to add one thing to that real quick.

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Another thing that I also learned, and this is something I also want to share that miss

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our Assembly Member, Lisa Castillo, look at her face closely.

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She's in a lot of our events here in Herrupa Valley.

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And the reason I share that with you is because it's so nice to have an Assembly Member participate

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to see Herrupa Valley participate and be with the residents.

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So when you have concerns, approach her, talk to her, write to her, email to her, just like

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If you come here and you express yourself publicly to us here as local government,

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speak to your legislators as well to let them know, educate what certain bills are being proposed,

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or maybe something that you might have an idea.

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She's always very open and very willing to listen to the community.

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So it's something that I really do appreciate her.

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I've seen Mr. Bruner's revantes as well too in the community as well, advocating for us.

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So they're all approachable, all of them.

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So if we have something to complain, they're the ones that you want to start with as well too.

429
00:37:24,100 --> 00:37:28,820
So going up the ladder, so I just wanted to share that with the community, thank you.

430
00:37:29,520 --> 00:37:30,420
All right, Chris anything?

431
00:37:31,060 --> 00:37:31,760
All right, very good.

432
00:37:32,500 --> 00:37:34,880
I think that wraps up your report, Rod.

433
00:37:35,480 --> 00:37:40,280
Okay, very good, then we will move to approval of the minutes for December 18th, 2025.

434
00:37:41,660 --> 00:37:43,760
Anybody want to make any comments or adjustments?

435
00:37:45,100 --> 00:37:46,580
Do I have a motion then to approve?

436
00:37:46,860 --> 00:37:47,240
Which approve?

437
00:37:47,760 --> 00:37:48,320
Do I have a second?

438
00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:48,380
Second.

439
00:37:49,280 --> 00:37:49,840
Second.

440
00:37:50,220 --> 00:37:51,280
Motion in a second.

441
00:37:51,500 --> 00:37:51,940
All in favor?

442
00:37:52,160 --> 00:37:52,320
Aye.

443
00:37:52,880 --> 00:37:53,440
Opposed?

444
00:37:53,840 --> 00:37:54,200
Abstention.

445
00:37:54,380 --> 00:37:55,400
Motion carries 5-0.

446
00:37:55,880 --> 00:37:56,580
Consent calendar.

447
00:37:56,860 --> 00:37:59,680
Any items that any council members are wishing to bowl?

448
00:38:09,900 --> 00:38:10,600
Is that a question?

449
00:38:11,260 --> 00:38:11,500
A quick,

450
00:38:16,310 --> 00:38:16,970
not E?

451
00:38:22,020 --> 00:38:22,700
M as in Mary?

452
00:38:22,980 --> 00:38:24,740
M as in Mother.

453
00:38:25,160 --> 00:38:25,420
Mother.

454
00:38:26,500 --> 00:38:26,800
Okay.

455
00:38:27,080 --> 00:38:27,440
Okay.

456
00:38:28,060 --> 00:38:29,300
And is that a question you want?

457
00:38:29,540 --> 00:38:31,740
No, I just wanted to get confirmation.

458
00:38:31,740 --> 00:38:37,100
So this is the agreement for the affordable housing projects.

459
00:38:37,720 --> 00:38:42,040
Can someone give a quick summary just so we have it on the record what this one's about?

460
00:38:42,520 --> 00:38:43,860
Absolutely, we'd be glad to do that.

461
00:38:44,020 --> 00:38:47,640
Curtis Miller, our housing manager, will be providing that in response.

462
00:38:48,480 --> 00:38:48,880
Thank you, Joe.

463
00:38:49,500 --> 00:38:50,360
Good evening, Council.

464
00:38:50,600 --> 00:38:58,660
So item M is part of the affordability agreement required for the Canterra development,

465
00:38:58,900 --> 00:38:59,960
formerly known as Warmington.

466
00:38:59,960 --> 00:39:10,320
So, as part of the approval of that, they agreed to build X amount of affordable units which turned out to be three at a

467
00:39:12,400 --> 00:39:14,340
affordability of 50% below.

468
00:39:14,900 --> 00:39:22,080
So, there's going to be three affordable units for sale that'll be under city control for 45 years.

469
00:39:22,440 --> 00:39:29,160
So, we'll have 45 years of affordability for three first time home buyers that are a very low income.

470
00:39:29,160 --> 00:39:41,620
So 50% of the area median income for Riverside County, which would just for reference your typical household of four that be a family making $55,000 or less.

471
00:39:41,920 --> 00:39:49,360
So really a life-changing opportunity for individuals and families that otherwise probably wouldn't be able to attain home ownership.

472
00:39:49,620 --> 00:39:51,040
Is that total household income?

473
00:39:51,640 --> 00:39:52,740
Total household income?

474
00:39:52,740 --> 00:39:55,640
Can an individual apply for purchase at home?

475
00:39:55,960 --> 00:40:05,420
An individual can apply, so there's going to be guidelines in place, there's going to be a formula factor, there's three different unit types.

476
00:40:06,160 --> 00:40:16,000
So the developer has three different plans that are going to be available, and they opted to do a mix of each of those, so it makes it a little bit easier for different household types.

477
00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:26,120
In terms of the process for selecting the person who is the city, do you or are you involved in that process in any way?

478
00:40:26,480 --> 00:40:30,940
Yes, very much so, so we're going to administer that process on behalf of them.

479
00:40:31,380 --> 00:40:37,120
There's going to be whenever the time comes, a lottery period for folks to enter.

480
00:40:37,820 --> 00:40:42,060
And then once the period closes, names will be randomly selected.

481
00:40:42,060 --> 00:40:47,960
and those individuals will have to cross-qualify in order to ensure they meet the not only the income

482
00:40:47,960 --> 00:40:54,200
requirements, but the debt to income ratios and other requirements for affordability.

483
00:40:54,740 --> 00:41:01,840
And how is the price being set and then how is the down payment being set and kind of how's the price being set first?

484
00:41:02,240 --> 00:41:07,940
So those are still being determined as we move forward with the units when they come available.

485
00:41:07,940 --> 00:41:18,800
Is it in relation to the market value, and a certain, you know, in relation to that, or is it in relation to the value of local property?

486
00:41:19,560 --> 00:41:28,680
So there's, it's not going to impact. I think I understand what you're saying. It's not going to bring down any values, if that's the concern.

487
00:41:28,820 --> 00:41:30,920
No, no, just how is it going to be valued?

488
00:41:30,920 --> 00:41:36,760
So it should be valued at the full market rate, or they could do an option of the low market rate.

489
00:41:37,140 --> 00:41:39,240
There's two different ways to look at that.

490
00:41:39,620 --> 00:41:47,420
One would put a lien in favor of the city for the difference, which would be a benefit to the city's ledger.

491
00:41:47,680 --> 00:41:53,000
The other option would be selling at the low market rate, which is generally the easier way to go about it.

492
00:41:53,000 --> 00:42:01,800
only because the property taxes and other items that would be costly would be a little bit much more.

493
00:42:02,020 --> 00:42:06,380
We're not finalizing that process, we're just agreeing to work with them on the process.

494
00:42:06,780 --> 00:42:12,180
That's correct, so we're going to be recording the final map as well as recording the affordability agreement.

495
00:42:12,600 --> 00:42:15,140
And in terms of those are two options that we could pursue.

496
00:42:15,140 --> 00:42:24,520
So essentially the first one, if the market rate, just to be even, it's $500,000, it could

497
00:42:24,520 --> 00:42:33,220
be sold at that, but we essentially, the city controls abortion off the top and then

498
00:42:33,220 --> 00:42:35,640
sells the bottom part, is that accurate?

499
00:42:36,360 --> 00:42:36,720
Yes.

500
00:42:36,980 --> 00:42:41,780
So essentially what you would back into is what's affordable for a low income, a very low income

501
00:42:41,780 --> 00:42:46,780
in this case, family, and there would be a carryback if that was the case, or they

502
00:42:46,780 --> 00:42:51,500
would just sell it well below what the market rate is to just back into it kind of like

503
00:42:51,500 --> 00:42:53,920
a habitat for humanity type model.

504
00:42:54,300 --> 00:43:02,700
To sell it, if they're all at 500, this one could be sold at 200 or it could be sold at 500,

505
00:43:02,700 --> 00:43:09,780
but then we maintain control of whatever excess there is outside of the affordability and

506
00:43:09,780 --> 00:43:13,780
And then if equity goes up in 20 years, then we take it from there.

507
00:43:13,960 --> 00:43:16,000
There would be like an echo sharing in my case.

508
00:43:16,400 --> 00:43:19,200
But more likely than not, it would be the fire at the bottom.

509
00:43:20,380 --> 00:43:22,480
The below market rates, I understand, thank you.

510
00:43:22,840 --> 00:43:31,620
And just one other question on that topic, can we put in any kind of condition to allow,

511
00:43:32,080 --> 00:43:38,300
or to mandate a group of alley residents, existing residents are prioritized?

512
00:43:38,300 --> 00:43:39,580
Is that something we're allowed to do?

513
00:43:40,400 --> 00:43:50,840
Well, we have to be mindful of fair housing laws, and so typically what we'll do is we will advertise it heavily within the city of Harupe Valley.

514
00:43:50,860 --> 00:44:00,180
So you're saying we can't, we can't only have or prioritize that's correct, but in the way that we get the word out can be focused on Harupe Valley.

515
00:44:00,480 --> 00:44:03,040
Okay. Any other questions on that issue, item?

516
00:44:03,240 --> 00:44:06,220
Any other items, then I need a motion to approve?

517
00:44:06,220 --> 00:44:07,720
Move to approve, look at the second calendar.

518
00:44:08,300 --> 00:44:12,040
Second, you, okay, all in favor?

519
00:44:12,400 --> 00:44:12,520
Aye.

520
00:44:12,900 --> 00:44:13,280
Opposed?

521
00:44:13,620 --> 00:44:14,600
Abstention, motion carries.

522
00:44:18,510 --> 00:44:18,830
All right,

523
00:44:22,320 --> 00:44:28,220
public hearing to consider master application number 22248 with general

524
00:44:28,220 --> 00:44:32,660
plan amendment change of zone tentative track map site development permit to allow for

525
00:44:32,660 --> 00:44:40,920
construction of 232 residential units and 24,000 square feet of commercial retail space within a 33 acre site located

526
00:44:40,920 --> 00:44:51,680
at the southeast intersection of Limonite Avenue and Weinville Avenue, APN's 157-250-011157-250-013.

527
00:44:52,200 --> 00:44:55,300
The applicant is diversified Pacific Development Group.

528
00:45:00,270 --> 00:45:30,210
Before we begin, before we move into anything else? Sure, be happy to. Thank you, Mayor and council members. This evening is a public hearing for this item was reviewed by the city council back on December 4th. If you recall, at that meeting, the council had requested additional information from staff to bring back, particularly in regards to the

529
00:45:30,210 --> 00:45:37,650
applicability of certain state housing laws to the former or the existing zoning and the proposed zoning.

530
00:45:38,670 --> 00:45:42,230
And so we were certainly prepared to do that this evening.

531
00:45:42,750 --> 00:45:50,450
However, we are altering our recommended action this evening for two reasons.

532
00:45:51,570 --> 00:45:57,730
Number one, we have received a number of requests for information and

533
00:45:57,730 --> 00:46:06,810
clarity on the project and rather than respond to those verbally in an ad hoc fashion we felt

534
00:46:06,810 --> 00:46:12,530
that it's more appropriate to have and take the time to ensure that our responses are

535
00:46:12,530 --> 00:46:19,830
clear and accurate and provide those in writing for the City Council because those requests came

536
00:46:19,830 --> 00:46:26,410
in. This week it just made it very, very challenging to do so and actually we need the extra time to

537
00:46:26,410 --> 00:46:26,750
do that.

538
00:46:27,690 --> 00:46:33,470
The second reason, and this is actually the more important reason, is that yesterday,

539
00:46:33,930 --> 00:46:42,750
in our conversations with the applicant, the developer, we were informed by them, surprisingly,

540
00:46:43,110 --> 00:46:51,030
to us that a portion of the retail component, you'll recall there is a section of the proposed

541
00:46:51,030 --> 00:46:59,690
those projects on the far west end that is designated as commercial retail, that a portion

542
00:46:59,690 --> 00:47:09,570
of that was not identified as being reduced, in other words, changing from retail, commercial

543
00:47:09,570 --> 00:47:11,290
retail to residential.

544
00:47:11,550 --> 00:47:13,810
We just learned that that is now the case.

545
00:47:13,810 --> 00:47:24,710
And the reason why that is important is because it requires us then to ensure that we get

546
00:47:24,710 --> 00:47:33,310
this right, that we understand that this new information relates to and is consistent

547
00:47:33,310 --> 00:47:39,090
with the way that we have provided public noticing for this project, the way that we have

548
00:47:39,090 --> 00:47:45,950
analyzed it as part of the environmental review process and for full public disclosure.

549
00:47:46,670 --> 00:47:51,170
And so, typically, as I said, we would be in a position to give a formal presentation

550
00:47:51,170 --> 00:47:58,510
on the project, but because of this new information, we need clarity, weaving staff needs clarity

551
00:47:58,890 --> 00:48:03,890
to ensure that the project that's being presented to the City Council for that's been done.

552
00:48:03,890 --> 00:48:09,570
As a result of that, we do not have a formal presentation this evening.

553
00:48:10,610 --> 00:48:13,830
We, of course, this is a notice public hearing.

554
00:48:13,950 --> 00:48:19,830
We do recommend that the City Council conduct the public hearing and basically consider

555
00:48:19,830 --> 00:48:20,830
all the public testimony.

556
00:48:20,950 --> 00:48:25,390
I see that we have a number of folks who have spent their valuable time to be here this evening,

557
00:48:25,410 --> 00:48:26,650
so we believe that's important.

558
00:48:26,650 --> 00:48:33,690
and that the City Council continue the public hearing to the March 5th City Council meeting.

559
00:48:34,210 --> 00:48:37,970
The applicant has been informed of this and they are aware of that.

560
00:48:38,050 --> 00:48:42,310
They are here this evening and they are also available for questions as are we.

561
00:48:43,130 --> 00:48:45,470
And so that is our recommendation this evening.

562
00:48:45,850 --> 00:48:46,190
Thank you.

563
00:48:46,850 --> 00:48:47,070
Okay.

564
00:48:48,710 --> 00:48:56,030
Council, we as council do have the definitive ability whether we're going to push this hearing

565
00:48:56,030 --> 00:49:03,070
or hear it tonight and I know there's always conversations, so I want to find out where

566
00:49:03,070 --> 00:49:09,870
people were. We have a whole bunch of speakers. We're going to listen to everybody and accept

567
00:49:09,870 --> 00:49:17,590
all comments. The question is do we act on this? It would be unfair in my viewpoint for the

568
00:49:17,590 --> 00:49:24,710
council to make any definitive decision tonight until we understand how the reduction of commercial

569
00:49:26,990 --> 00:49:32,010
So I'm not sure where the disconnect was between the developer and the city, but

570
00:49:32,010 --> 00:49:35,750
typically these things are not picked up on a day before the hearing.

571
00:49:35,950 --> 00:49:39,070
They are picked up on months before, weeks before.

572
00:49:39,330 --> 00:49:46,810
So I'm not sure where things didn't match up, but the developer has reduced the size of the commercial and

573
00:49:46,810 --> 00:49:52,950
our team here, our planning department wants to ensure that what they present to us and

574
00:49:52,950 --> 00:49:59,470
to the residents is accurate and tonight they're not comfortable doing that so if we have

575
00:49:59,470 --> 00:50:06,970
no objection I think what we will do is move forward we'll give the applicant their time

576
00:50:06,970 --> 00:50:11,670
their ten minutes if they would like to present and then we will go into public comments and

577
00:50:11,670 --> 00:50:16,890
we can ask questions but we'll just continue the hearing unless we have objection from council

578
00:50:16,890 --> 00:50:17,330
right now.

579
00:50:17,330 --> 00:50:19,270
Well, I have an objection to that.

580
00:50:19,350 --> 00:50:19,450
Okay.

581
00:50:19,710 --> 00:50:26,850
I think, and I just want to clarify a few things before I state my objection.

582
00:50:27,670 --> 00:50:29,010
And I just want to get this straight.

583
00:50:29,230 --> 00:50:37,390
So the developer, for the last two years, they've been asking to change the land use,

584
00:50:37,490 --> 00:50:41,490
and they've been marketing this, that they're, they only want to change the land use designation.

585
00:50:41,750 --> 00:50:43,270
And I've heard this over and over again.

586
00:50:43,270 --> 00:50:48,910
They want to change the land use designation of 1.1 acres of commercial to residential.

587
00:50:49,650 --> 00:50:53,930
And they've time and time again, I've heard it's only one acre, guys, it's only one acre.

588
00:50:54,590 --> 00:51:01,170
But you're telling us that that was a lie, that that was false, that the developer lied

589
00:51:01,170 --> 00:51:06,430
about that, and that it's actually, it's not a reduction in commercial, it's an increase

590
00:51:06,430 --> 00:51:07,410
of residential.

591
00:51:07,410 --> 00:51:28,550
So, they're actually trying to do more than what they were legally allowed to do, even though not only did they market the 1.1 acres as a big kind of point, but they also marketed saying that what they were trying to do was legally allowed currently.

592
00:51:28,550 --> 00:51:34,070
Because I heard that over and over, I mean, even Chris, but I has, he lied about that too.

593
00:51:34,250 --> 00:51:41,550
And he said, in the last meeting, that 232 acres were allowed currently, planning

594
00:51:41,550 --> 00:51:45,650
commissioners reviewed this, so I just want to clarify, that's what's been happening.

595
00:51:46,490 --> 00:51:50,850
Well, I can't speak to intent, but I can't speak to the facts.

596
00:51:51,130 --> 00:51:56,770
And that is that this is new information for us, from the staff level.

597
00:51:56,770 --> 00:52:05,710
Well, I can't speak for what the developer has or hasn't communicated publicly in meetings

598
00:52:05,710 --> 00:52:10,150
or advertisements, but I can tell you from our perspective, from staff's perspective,

599
00:52:10,290 --> 00:52:11,790
this is new information.

600
00:52:12,390 --> 00:52:12,910
Now, that's fair.

601
00:52:13,770 --> 00:52:26,470
Another thing that one of the reasons that we moved this hearing last month is because

602
00:52:26,470 --> 00:52:34,010
of questions around SB786. So I wanted to get some clarity on that because also I know Chris,

603
00:52:34,170 --> 00:52:43,230
you posted on your social media line to residents that SB786 would be used to double the density.

604
00:52:44,050 --> 00:52:52,810
And Peter, can you explain, what does SB786 have to do with the developer's ability to increase density?

605
00:52:54,190 --> 00:52:58,010
The SB 786 has two aspects to it.

606
00:52:58,090 --> 00:53:04,410
One is dealing with potential conflicts in a general plan and the land use element.

607
00:53:04,990 --> 00:53:12,030
And SB 786 says that if there is a conflict between development standards in one section

608
00:53:12,030 --> 00:53:16,490
of the general plan or the other, the most recent enactment is the one that controls.

609
00:53:17,170 --> 00:53:22,370
And that was generally what came up in a number of cities where there were old development

610
00:53:22,370 --> 00:53:30,910
But when the city adopted a new housing element and compliance with state law they change some of those so this just clarifies it's the most recent development.

611
00:53:31,590 --> 00:53:41,490
The second part of SB 786 is some substantial changes in the process for litigating issues relating to the housing element.

612
00:53:42,210 --> 00:53:51,370
So in this case, we don't have any conflicts in the general plan between the density in one any either in the housing element or in the land use element.

613
00:53:51,370 --> 00:53:59,430
So in that sense, SB 786 doesn't make any changes to this project or doesn't affect this project when we're at the other.

614
00:53:59,810 --> 00:54:10,030
Okay, and then another question that was remaining that we were told was that the current zoning was expired.

615
00:54:10,790 --> 00:54:21,210
I saw that a lot, that was also marketed and that was told to our residents that put one planned unit development one was expired.

616
00:54:21,210 --> 00:54:27,170
And so, but now we've clarified that it's actually not expired.

617
00:54:27,730 --> 00:54:34,810
So yeah, this is a very technical nuanced issue because of the type of zoning that it

618
00:54:34,810 --> 00:54:37,970
is, this PUD zoning that we've all been referring to.

619
00:54:40,210 --> 00:54:46,450
So in 2017, just to give you a little bit of background here, in 2017, PUD number one was approved.

620
00:54:47,430 --> 00:54:53,970
and had number one allowed for 130 residential units and there were two important documents

621
00:54:53,970 --> 00:54:56,290
that were attached to that zoning.

622
00:54:56,910 --> 00:55:00,630
One was a development plan, what we would now call a site development permit.

623
00:55:01,590 --> 00:55:02,810
And the other is a map.

624
00:55:04,930 --> 00:55:11,270
Both of those basically define and articulate the type of development.

625
00:55:11,470 --> 00:55:16,130
Provides development standards, how everything is laid out on the site in terms of development.

626
00:55:16,130 --> 00:55:21,090
Well, neither of those documents were ever recorded and have now expired.

627
00:55:22,050 --> 00:55:27,770
So, technically speaking, there is no site development plan for it.

628
00:55:27,830 --> 00:55:32,370
There's no map, but the underlying PUD1 does exist.

629
00:55:33,230 --> 00:55:37,210
So, anyone wanting to develop using the existing zoning PUD1

630
00:55:37,830 --> 00:55:42,670
would need to apply for a new site development permit and a new map.

631
00:55:44,400 --> 00:55:52,940
And that would be similar to anyone and any other property that has a consistent zoning that is active.

632
00:55:53,240 --> 00:55:59,780
They could come in, apply for site development permit, and if that gets approved,

633
00:56:00,000 --> 00:56:03,020
goes through you guys, tenant attract map, then they'd be able to build.

634
00:56:03,120 --> 00:56:04,380
So there is something they could build.

635
00:56:04,960 --> 00:56:11,580
And so reading the current staff report, the most recent one, there was some calculations.

636
00:56:11,580 --> 00:56:18,040
And I'm wondering, Joe, if you can help us with these calculations, because in the last

637
00:56:18,040 --> 00:56:24,100
meeting, it was stated that they could currently build 232 units, which obviously it's false.

638
00:56:25,320 --> 00:56:32,900
But really, they write currently in put one, they have a cap of 202 units or around 200 units.

639
00:56:33,080 --> 00:56:40,440
Can you talk about kind of the hypothetical we laid out if, since the 130 housing track

640
00:56:40,440 --> 00:56:44,840
is expired, their ceiling would be 200 units.

641
00:56:45,440 --> 00:56:45,560
Sure.

642
00:56:45,760 --> 00:56:50,380
So this is based on the current, the PUD1?

643
00:56:50,840 --> 00:56:51,660
Yeah, currently.

644
00:56:52,120 --> 00:56:52,520
Okay, currently.

645
00:56:52,660 --> 00:56:55,520
So PUD1 still exists as we just talked about.

646
00:56:56,040 --> 00:57:02,940
So if the developer wanted to come in and maximize the number of units on the site,

647
00:57:03,700 --> 00:57:09,500
They would rely upon the existing general plan

648
00:57:09,500 --> 00:57:11,900
land use designation of MHDR.

649
00:57:12,480 --> 00:57:16,140
That allows five to eight dwelling units per acre.

650
00:57:16,340 --> 00:57:18,640
So we're going to take the eight, which is the maximum of that.

651
00:57:19,420 --> 00:57:21,820
So given that calculation, if they use that,

652
00:57:22,760 --> 00:57:28,880
then they would be eligible to have two hundred and two units.

653
00:57:29,580 --> 00:57:30,140
If they did that.

654
00:57:31,260 --> 00:57:38,080
In addition to that, state law allows them to use density bonus law, and there are two

655
00:57:38,080 --> 00:57:45,380
tiers to that, depending on the percentage of units that are deemed affordable.

656
00:57:46,440 --> 00:57:53,440
So the lower tier would allow them to get 20% additional units on that, which takes us

657
00:57:53,440 --> 00:57:55,040
to 243 units.

658
00:57:56,180 --> 00:58:04,280
The second tier, if they allowed for every single unit, all units to be affordable, they

659
00:58:04,280 --> 00:58:10,060
would be allowed a bonus of 80% units, and that takes us to 364 units.

660
00:58:11,160 --> 00:58:18,740
So according to our analysis, and it also comports with the developer's methodology, which we

661
00:58:18,740 --> 00:58:25,380
We agree on that methodology that the maximum would be 364 units.

662
00:58:25,380 --> 00:58:31,900
This is, of course, would be part of the site development permit and map that I indicated earlier.

663
00:58:32,160 --> 00:58:35,440
So that would be for PUD-1, that's what they could do today.

664
00:58:35,680 --> 00:58:40,760
That's the hypothetical in the current zoning if they were to use some of the state bonuses.

665
00:58:41,200 --> 00:58:44,960
If they use the state, right now the ceiling is 202.

666
00:58:45,980 --> 00:58:50,280
And if they use the state laws, they could go up to 364.

667
00:58:50,680 --> 00:58:50,980
That's right.

668
00:58:51,500 --> 00:58:58,240
And I know I got a memo from the developer, they're saying they can build over 400 or

669
00:58:58,240 --> 00:58:59,460
460 or something.

670
00:58:59,580 --> 00:59:01,400
Maybe I can touch upon that briefly.

671
00:59:01,600 --> 00:59:10,680
The reason for that discrepancy is that I believe the developer in their analysis made some assumptions that we did not make.

672
00:59:10,680 --> 00:59:15,660
I think some of it had to do with location to feature transit facilities and so forth.

673
00:59:16,140 --> 00:59:19,780
And so that's the discrepancy because we don't know that those are going to happen.

674
00:59:19,940 --> 00:59:25,220
That's why in the analysis portion of the staff report, we felt comfortable with that 300, 64.

675
00:59:25,400 --> 00:59:26,880
But that's the reason for discrepancy there.

676
00:59:27,000 --> 00:59:32,580
In my understanding is they've told residents that if this isn't going to get approved, they're going to build.

677
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:28,360
There are thousands and thousands of units in this area, but just to clarify for what they can't do that, so that's also another false statement. But in put, too, if that was to be approved, if this rezone was to be approved as the planning commission recommended, those hypotheticals actually go much higher than that. Is that correct? So it changes the baseline. Okay.

678
01:00:28,360 --> 01:00:36,300
So, instead of a baseline of, if you recall, when we're comparing apples to apples here,

679
01:00:36,520 --> 01:00:44,500
so instead of a baseline of 202 maximum, you'd be looking at a baseline of 232, okay,

680
01:00:44,700 --> 01:00:47,780
so that's your baseline under what's being proposed right now.

681
01:00:49,180 --> 01:01:00,900
You would, again, the two tiers of density bonus, the first tier is 20% bonus, that takes

682
01:01:00,900 --> 01:01:09,860
us to 278 units. I'm just doing a quick math there. And 80% would be 417 units.

683
01:01:09,860 --> 01:01:20,220
So if we were to, if the council was to rezone, it would actually open up the city in

684
01:01:20,220 --> 01:01:30,800
that area or an extra 150 or 120 units, more than we would if it was to remain.

685
01:01:32,560 --> 01:01:39,720
I mean, I think if we're looking at density, I think it's pretty clear to me what direction

686
01:01:39,720 --> 01:01:47,680
I want to go, but I also want to confirm and Peter, one of the aspects that we talked

687
01:01:47,680 --> 01:01:56,480
about earlier in terms of the ordinance passed that Mayor, now Mayor Berkson helped pass

688
01:01:56,480 --> 01:02:07,200
in 2017 is a mandatory feature of put one that requires 20% of the residential area to be

689
01:02:07,200 --> 01:02:14,320
the open space. And from our conversation, that still remains an effect with Putt-1,

690
01:02:14,640 --> 01:02:23,940
correct, which is why the buildable, while it's 25 acres of MHDR, they can only build

691
01:02:23,940 --> 01:02:26,420
on around 22 acres, right?

692
01:02:26,840 --> 01:02:32,500
I'm not familiar with the acreage, particularly with changes coming up. It makes it difficult

693
01:02:32,500 --> 01:02:41,080
to discuss that. But the analysis that the staff did was that the open space for the

694
01:02:41,080 --> 01:02:49,900
PUD-1 and the landscaping and the amenities was close to 20% and that the amenities and the

695
01:02:49,900 --> 01:02:52,660
landscaping and the open space also exist in PUD-2.

696
01:02:53,820 --> 01:03:00,860
Yeah, but for a larger, for a smaller piece. Okay, yeah, I mean, I think there's just a lot

697
01:03:00,860 --> 01:03:06,300
of information that was cleared up, I think the developer submitted this project.

698
01:03:06,300 --> 01:03:09,280
I think they're ready for us to vote on it.

699
01:03:10,320 --> 01:03:12,280
So those are the statements I'd like to make.

700
01:03:12,380 --> 01:03:17,880
I'd like to hear from the community, rather than moving it, and maybe we can come to a decision

701
01:03:17,880 --> 01:03:18,220
today.

702
01:03:19,560 --> 01:03:20,000
Okay.

703
01:03:20,120 --> 01:03:21,520
Anybody else have comments before we start?

704
01:03:22,420 --> 01:03:23,800
We'll just clarify some things, you know.

705
01:03:24,040 --> 01:03:28,600
And, you know, unfortunately Pam, not everyone listens to what you asked for earlier.

706
01:03:28,600 --> 01:03:34,680
here. So, if without the commercial with the current general plan, the max they could

707
01:03:34,680 --> 01:03:39,240
do is 232. So, that was the number that I used, and that's why I used it. I didn't say

708
01:03:39,240 --> 01:03:42,180
that we are going to do that. I said they could do that if you removed the commercials

709
01:03:42,180 --> 01:03:46,620
that they're asking for. The general plan was that they allowed. And also, my social media

710
01:03:46,620 --> 01:03:53,320
posts, I said that bill can be used by developers to challenge because we just heard even if we

711
01:03:53,320 --> 01:03:57,140
don't do the commercial, they are allowed to or to in the current general plan. And the

712
01:03:57,140 --> 01:04:02,240
put it allows 100 in whatever it is. That can be challenged in court is inconsistent

713
01:04:02,240 --> 01:04:08,040
because that is the definition of inconsistent. It's 200 to 100. That was where we wanted

714
01:04:08,040 --> 01:04:11,180
to clarify because there's a whole bunch of other state laws that we just talked about.

715
01:04:11,780 --> 01:04:17,620
So now that we know that because staff doesn't have a report ready, I still would push it.

716
01:04:18,200 --> 01:04:27,120
But I think we have a lot of the clarifying information. And part again, the maps, I feel it's

717
01:04:27,120 --> 01:04:31,400
It sounds like what their proposal was, especially if it's 232.

718
01:04:32,060 --> 01:04:33,620
Part of that commercial was already in the proposal.

719
01:04:33,620 --> 01:04:39,180
I don't know how it was missed, but since staff is in our report, I would push it.

720
01:04:39,900 --> 01:04:41,900
Okay, anybody else have comments?

721
01:04:42,460 --> 01:04:47,540
We're going to, yeah, we're going to, we're going to first, we're going to bypass the staff report.

722
01:04:48,040 --> 01:04:55,200
We're going to move to the developer who will have 10 minutes to address the body, and then we will hear from the public.

723
01:05:01,420 --> 01:05:06,420
Good evening mayor, councilmembers, my name is Nolan Leguel, I'm the Vice President

724
01:05:06,420 --> 01:05:08,040
of Ford Planning for Diversified Pacific.

725
01:05:09,260 --> 01:05:14,040
I will admit when staff let us know last night that there was some inconsistencies in

726
01:05:14,040 --> 01:05:17,640
the documents and they are going to recommend continuing, we were pretty disappointed.

727
01:05:18,220 --> 01:05:25,240
We were very excited to be here tonight and present our project after discussing it with staff

728
01:05:25,240 --> 01:05:25,660
today.

729
01:05:26,120 --> 01:05:28,460
We do support their recommendation.

730
01:05:31,060 --> 01:05:37,560
I will say that the amount of commercial we've proposed on this project has been consistent since our application in 2022.

731
01:05:38,320 --> 01:05:43,220
So I'm not exactly sure where the discrepancy came from which is probably the reason we need to discuss and figure that out.

732
01:05:46,160 --> 01:05:54,520
But I'm going to wait for the rest of my presentation on when we have a hearing where we're actually going to make a decision on the project.

733
01:05:54,520 --> 01:06:00,160
I know there's a lot of people at least on our hand who didn't show up today when they heard the news is being continued

734
01:06:00,160 --> 01:06:02,060
So we don't we don't think it's fair to the public

735
01:06:03,200 --> 01:06:09,420
To let an applicant know the decision from staff is to continue it and so still move forward with the hearing

736
01:06:09,420 --> 01:06:11,700
I don't want to interrupt you

737
01:06:11,700 --> 01:06:17,880
But I want you to give your report because it could be voted on tonight. That has still not been determined

738
01:06:17,880 --> 01:06:20,220
So you should present your project

739
01:06:23,550 --> 01:06:23,950
Okay

740
01:06:23,950 --> 01:06:29,050
All right, then we did have a presentation when we were planning to move forward.

741
01:06:31,190 --> 01:06:33,690
Rinaldo, do you have that ability to pull it up?

742
01:06:38,400 --> 01:06:43,420
Mr. Rowe, perhaps we just need a moment to actually get and queue that up.

743
01:06:43,840 --> 01:06:46,720
We'll pause the clock and take a five minute break.

744
01:06:46,920 --> 01:06:47,280
Thank you.

745
01:06:52,100 --> 01:06:54,180
We're going to go ahead and start up again.

746
01:06:59,910 --> 01:07:02,690
Re-invite the applicant up here.

747
01:07:02,890 --> 01:07:06,370
We'll reset the clock and let you go with your ten minutes.

748
01:07:06,370 --> 01:07:07,290
Welcome

749
01:07:14,880 --> 01:07:15,720
back, Councilmembers.

750
01:07:19,240 --> 01:07:27,780
Before I begin, I would like to note when staff informed us that this is going to be continued or recommended to be continued.

751
01:07:28,460 --> 01:07:33,460
There's over 130 people that wrote support letters that I asked all of them to come tonight.

752
01:07:34,080 --> 01:07:40,860
When I found that out, I said, hey, there's no need to waste four or five hours of your time on an item that's going to get continued.

753
01:07:41,960 --> 01:07:48,480
also our technical team. I gave them the night off as well on an item that's going to be continued.

754
01:07:48,720 --> 01:07:54,320
So I'm here as well as Mitchell Bradford from our team because we knew there was going to be

755
01:07:54,320 --> 01:08:00,360
discussions on our project and prepared to answer questions. But I wanted to state that for the record

756
01:08:00,360 --> 01:08:06,540
that there's a lot of public input you're missing and technical team depending on the questions.

757
01:08:06,540 --> 01:08:10,240
I should be able to handle most of them but I wanted to make sure that's in the record.

758
01:08:10,860 --> 01:08:31,000
The other thing I'd like to note before I get in the presentation is given a one, the fact that we're not getting a staff presentation, a lot of this, I was going to skip through a lot of the staff staff was covering, so I would ask for a couple more minutes, but unless the council changes the direction of wanting me to move forward, I'm prepared to move forward.

759
01:08:33,020 --> 01:08:35,240
It's very unorthodox situation.

760
01:08:35,240 --> 01:08:38,440
Then, a quick question to clarify, if I may.

761
01:08:39,780 --> 01:08:48,620
Just in terms of, you said 130 people that sent in emails, does that include the emails

762
01:08:48,620 --> 01:08:53,380
that we received, then we later received a notice from them saying that they didn't even

763
01:08:53,380 --> 01:08:54,060
send those emails?

764
01:08:54,920 --> 01:09:02,260
There's a lot of people that sent in emails that told us that those were, that their name

765
01:09:02,260 --> 01:09:03,520
was used falsely.

766
01:09:07,860 --> 01:09:16,280
Yeah, there was a couple of people who said that they needed to send that, I think there was 138 totals, the 130 would exclude those people.

767
01:09:18,540 --> 01:09:27,220
So with that, Nolan Legio, Vice President Ford planning for diversified Pacific, with me, one of our partners, Mitchell Bradford,

768
01:09:37,700 --> 01:09:57,200
I'm going to skip a lot of the slides, the reason I kept them in there for this presentation, is it, it covers a lot of discussion topics on this project that have been brought up at community meetings, members of the public at the planning commission, so I thought leaving those visuals in this presentation would be very helpful if some of you are interested in this project.

769
01:09:57,200 --> 01:10:00,640
Some of those questions come up that I can actually pull up some of the more detailed plans.

770
01:10:01,200 --> 01:10:06,060
But for the sake of time, I'm going to be skipping through a lot of those and just focusing on a couple of core slides.

771
01:10:06,700 --> 01:10:12,420
So with that project location, some aerial photos of the property, 33 acres.

772
01:10:12,660 --> 01:10:20,100
You'll see some street view images, one I'd like to note is 63rd Street, the dirt road on the bottom left.

773
01:10:20,240 --> 01:10:24,300
We'll touch on that and we can get some of the infrastructure of the projects building.

774
01:10:24,300 --> 01:10:28,320
The first slide I'd like to stop on for a little bit is community feedback.

775
01:10:28,980 --> 01:10:32,780
This is a project we started about five years ago now.

776
01:10:33,720 --> 01:10:39,340
And community input, community feedback is something critical to diversified in our development process.

777
01:10:40,240 --> 01:10:43,520
So when we started, we met with city staff, we met with city leadership.

778
01:10:44,020 --> 01:10:45,880
We had an idea for this property.

779
01:10:46,500 --> 01:10:48,040
It's very different oriented today.

780
01:10:48,160 --> 01:10:51,420
We came in thinking it made sense to be an apartment complex,

781
01:10:52,060 --> 01:10:56,500
right off limonite route of the 15 freeway, we thought that made a lot of sense.

782
01:10:56,900 --> 01:11:00,560
After discussing with city stakeholders and city leadership,

783
01:11:00,700 --> 01:11:06,280
we immediately realized, hey, we should look at different options for this property.

784
01:11:06,820 --> 01:11:08,800
And that culminated in a planning commission workshop.

785
01:11:08,940 --> 01:11:13,700
We host in April 22, we invited everyone in a thousand foot radius,

786
01:11:13,720 --> 01:11:16,640
over 500 homeowners to that hearing.

787
01:11:17,240 --> 01:11:20,300
We got a lot of helpful feedback from the planning commission at the time

788
01:11:20,300 --> 01:11:23,580
and the public that has been incorporated into this project.

789
01:11:23,880 --> 01:11:30,620
There's obviously an environmental impact report that goes has different public input stages and public notification stages.

790
01:11:30,900 --> 01:11:38,940
We then held another community meeting at Skyview Event Center in October to present to the public kind of the polished project before it went to public hearings.

791
01:11:39,640 --> 01:11:44,920
And then all during that four or five years we're consistently meeting with civic leaders, city staff, members of the public.

792
01:11:44,920 --> 01:11:49,280
Like every time I've been at one of the meetings, I leave my card that has my personal cell phone and email.

793
01:11:49,800 --> 01:11:51,440
Instead of responding to questions that way.

794
01:11:52,200 --> 01:11:54,740
And then the 130 letters support we touched upon.

795
01:11:55,180 --> 01:12:00,900
I'm happy to talk about that in more detail how those people wrote those letters, but for the sake of time, I'm going to skip that.

796
01:12:01,820 --> 01:12:04,640
So the community feedback, some of the major components we heard.

797
01:12:05,060 --> 01:12:11,280
No apartments, two story maximum, homes fronting 63rd, including single stories on 63rd Street.

798
01:12:11,280 --> 01:12:18,880
We know high density, a commercial retail component and wine villain, something that's destination based not, you know, just a gas station or car wash.

799
01:12:19,960 --> 01:12:28,320
A equestrian friendly project, equestrian trails, a bridge over to the day creek channel, installing a landscape meeting and limonite, non-gated community,

800
01:12:28,640 --> 01:12:36,920
curvilinear spine street and community infrastructure improvements and then common areas for both residents, existing residents and residents in our project.

801
01:12:36,920 --> 01:12:42,900
And we think we've made a concerted effort to check every single one of these boxes in a meaningful way.

802
01:12:43,380 --> 01:12:46,080
And I'm going to talk about some of those as we go through it today.

803
01:12:47,080 --> 01:13:03,840
The general plan in zoning, there is a, would we consider a minor general plan amendment about three and a half acres of commercial is being transitioned into medium-high density residential, which matches the other 25 acres of the site.

804
01:13:03,840 --> 01:13:06,940
That was the nature of the distributed staff as mentioned.

805
01:13:07,420 --> 01:13:11,080
I'm happy to discuss that in more detail, but for the sake of time, I'm going to skip

806
01:13:11,080 --> 01:13:11,520
through it.

807
01:13:12,680 --> 01:13:13,980
This is somewhat unfortunate.

808
01:13:14,220 --> 01:13:17,300
I got tons of slides on the actual project details.

809
01:13:17,940 --> 01:13:19,920
This was all supposed to be in staff's report.

810
01:13:20,120 --> 01:13:23,180
There's no way I can get through the project plans in four minutes.

811
01:13:24,460 --> 01:13:27,840
So happy to discuss these in much more detail if you would like.

812
01:13:28,520 --> 01:13:35,240
but I would like to note that you can see here we did over 50% single stories along the 63rd

813
01:13:35,240 --> 01:13:41,040
street. There's some of the architecture in four plans. This is all included in staff report,

814
01:13:41,260 --> 01:13:45,580
staff's presentation. Here's the commercial, the foreacre commercial that we dealt with in

815
01:13:45,580 --> 01:13:50,380
corner of Wineville and Limonite. As you can see, this is intended to be a destination really geared

816
01:13:50,380 --> 01:13:56,920
toward local and regional food and beverage tenants, brought to indoor outdoor dining options,

817
01:13:56,920 --> 01:14:03,740
The architecture is centered around a grary and equestrian architectural design.

818
01:14:05,040 --> 01:14:08,840
Here's some more rendering, some public clauses and open space in the project.

819
01:14:10,000 --> 01:14:14,880
The equestrian project design, again, staff's presentation talks about this a lot and you

820
01:14:14,880 --> 01:14:15,940
can read in the staff report.

821
01:14:16,420 --> 01:14:21,620
I would like to highlight that we're building over a mile in trails along the south side

822
01:14:21,620 --> 01:14:27,040
of 63rd to north south through our project connecting with Limonite Trail. We're rebuilding

823
01:14:27,040 --> 01:14:31,680
the traffic signals at both the Crescia and Wineville and Limonite to include equestrian crossing

824
01:14:31,680 --> 01:14:37,800
buttons. We have a half acre equestrian park available to the public along that trail as well

825
01:14:37,800 --> 01:14:43,420
as building an equestrian pedestrian bridge over day creek channel at 63rd. I'm going to skip through

826
01:14:43,420 --> 01:14:49,880
a lot of the the open space in amenities within the park. Here's a here's that half acre equestrian

827
01:14:49,880 --> 01:14:54,020
the green park that shows the grass lawn, shade structures, picking nubles, and hitching

828
01:14:54,020 --> 01:14:56,960
posts and watering drops along the equestrian trail.

829
01:14:57,200 --> 01:14:59,940
There's also hitching posts and watering drops at the...

830
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:28,800
The public infrastructure, this is one of the major elements of this project and really why the property hasn't developed is, as you can see, it's a very long linear shape property that has a ton of infrastructure requirements on it. I want to highlight limonite, about 4,200 linear foot of frontage, almost a mile, and we're doing about 80 feet of width of improvements. That's about 7.7 acres of just improvements to limonite.

831
01:15:28,800 --> 01:15:31,680
We're doing to the tune of millions of dollars.

832
01:15:32,600 --> 01:15:35,320
That includes widening limonite over the day creek channel,

833
01:15:35,380 --> 01:15:39,280
those trapped signal upgrades at 12 to 14 foot median,

834
01:15:39,760 --> 01:15:43,320
and 21 feet of parkway, including a multi-purpose trail along

835
01:15:43,320 --> 01:15:44,040
our frontage.

836
01:15:44,580 --> 01:15:47,260
Similar major improvements on 63rd Street,

837
01:15:47,440 --> 01:15:50,400
as well as other infrastructure water sewer lines.

838
01:15:51,080 --> 01:15:53,640
Here's some of the sections of limonite and 63rd.

839
01:15:53,800 --> 01:15:54,720
I'm going to skip through these.

840
01:15:55,300 --> 01:15:58,140
These were a major discussion topic in planning commission,

841
01:15:58,140 --> 01:16:03,340
So I felt important to keep in this presentation if staff had any question or the council's any questions

842
01:16:03,940 --> 01:16:10,300
But for the sake of time I'll skip to parking you can see over a thousand parking stalls for 232 units in the commercial center

843
01:16:10,300 --> 01:16:12,420
So definitely a well-parked project

844
01:16:13,180 --> 01:16:17,080
And one of the last topics I want to touch on is the housing laws

845
01:16:18,320 --> 01:16:23,480
To be candid this was not a topic we planned on discussing at the 12th for hearing

846
01:16:24,220 --> 01:16:27,700
We don't think at the time we thought it wasn't relevant

847
01:16:28,440 --> 01:16:33,800
To the conversation on our project, are we understanding our project is a discretionary

848
01:16:33,800 --> 01:16:34,460
application.

849
01:16:34,620 --> 01:16:39,780
There's a three and a half acre general plan amendment associated with the larger 33 acres

850
01:16:39,780 --> 01:16:40,460
of our project.

851
01:16:42,080 --> 01:16:47,500
But listening to that 12-4 hearing, seeing what staff included in their staff presentation,

852
01:16:48,160 --> 01:16:53,880
we understand what could happen on this property if we don't move forward, is a material consideration

853
01:16:53,880 --> 01:16:56,120
to you guys' decision tonight.

854
01:16:56,740 --> 01:17:02,180
So in this presentation, we decided it was something that was necessary for us to cover.

855
01:17:03,040 --> 01:17:05,520
So there's a more formal memo in the staff report.

856
01:17:05,980 --> 01:17:11,560
Our position on the state density bonus law is you can get a 50% density bonus.

857
01:17:11,860 --> 01:17:16,560
And then there's a double density bonus, which would give you a 100% density bonus.

858
01:17:16,860 --> 01:17:21,780
So on the 202 units we discussed in the beginning, we get you up to 404 units.

859
01:17:21,780 --> 01:17:30,120
And that's based on the existing 25.17 acres of residential, so that's before any changes that we're proposing.

860
01:17:30,940 --> 01:17:43,720
ADU laws allows an ADU by MJD, ADU per lot, and then AB 2011 and 2243, based on this property specifically, would allow up to 60 unit DU acre on the commercial.

861
01:17:44,520 --> 01:17:46,460
I'm wrapping up the next minute or two.

862
01:17:49,720 --> 01:17:53,680
I have to cut you off, but you'll have your five-minute rebuttal at the end, so save it.

863
01:17:56,100 --> 01:18:02,620
All right, everybody gets the same ten minutes, I'm not treating anybody any different.

864
01:18:03,620 --> 01:18:17,360
So now we're moving to public comments, first speaker, and you'll have three minutes each, is Charles something, I apologize, I can't read the name.

865
01:18:17,360 --> 01:18:22,120
William, come on up Charles, we

866
01:18:30,980 --> 01:18:31,920
welcome you back.

867
01:18:32,100 --> 01:18:36,980
Thank you, sir, we lived here since 91.

868
01:18:37,340 --> 01:18:41,320
This was a sweet little quiet forest town.

869
01:18:42,240 --> 01:18:47,240
We are now becoming Eastphal, Anita Beach, Irvine,

870
01:18:47,560 --> 01:18:50,460
everything else, every square inch of open property.

871
01:18:50,700 --> 01:18:55,320
We're now sucking up to build somebody's new future homes to

872
01:18:55,320 --> 01:18:57,600
to help the developers make their money in this.

873
01:18:58,280 --> 01:19:02,280
This area they want to put commercial down

874
01:19:02,280 --> 01:19:05,220
in their food court or whatever as they was talking about.

875
01:19:06,080 --> 01:19:08,100
Go one block, you got Pats Ranch Road,

876
01:19:08,280 --> 01:19:10,180
you got all these food eateries in there.

877
01:19:11,280 --> 01:19:13,500
What about the new development that's taken place

878
01:19:13,500 --> 01:19:14,800
over at the farmers' field

879
01:19:14,800 --> 01:19:17,360
where it's supposed to be the new home city hall and all this?

880
01:19:18,120 --> 01:19:22,540
We're talking Starbucks over here is the only thing

881
01:19:22,920 --> 01:19:24,140
in this shopping center.

882
01:19:24,140 --> 01:19:26,840
But we're always looking for the build new.

883
01:19:28,380 --> 01:19:29,720
When are we going to stop?

884
01:19:30,720 --> 01:19:33,000
We are just, we're choking ourselves here.

885
01:19:33,080 --> 01:19:38,440
The residents have been here the longest, see the changes, we're disgusted with it.

886
01:19:38,880 --> 01:19:41,520
We get no input besides this once a month.

887
01:19:41,800 --> 01:19:44,100
If we're lucky they hear about the meetings.

888
01:19:45,400 --> 01:19:50,140
We don't all don't have time just to get on the social meeting like, okay, yeah, look at

889
01:19:50,140 --> 01:19:51,500
who's probably having a meeting.

890
01:19:58,280 --> 01:20:10,300
I don't know what else we can do here but talk to you about it but it's getting ugly and you want to now take or the developer wants to take our two lanes.

891
01:20:10,300 --> 01:20:16,480
We go from three to two to one back to two coming up this way.

892
01:20:16,480 --> 01:20:20,720
Now we want to go three to two to one and choke us out up there

893
01:20:21,660 --> 01:20:28,240
And you know where I'm talking about it's down there by vain and that will choke out again, and now we're gonna

894
01:20:29,520 --> 01:20:33,380
Back farther up. We the locals. We don't even go that way at

895
01:20:34,460 --> 01:20:37,920
Three four o'clock in the afternoon. We can't always see us tell light

896
01:20:38,560 --> 01:20:43,480
Most of us know the backways around the get around places. Why should we have to do that?

897
01:20:44,300 --> 01:20:45,900
You know, we've lived her long enough.

898
01:20:46,040 --> 01:20:53,600
We paid our dues, how about a little consideration for us now, instead of these developers coming

899
01:20:53,600 --> 01:20:58,160
in and seeing a piece of open land force and snagging it up and saying, we're going to build

900
01:20:58,160 --> 01:20:59,220
this to improve.

901
01:21:00,700 --> 01:21:02,320
That's all I got to say again.

902
01:21:02,920 --> 01:21:04,760
And I'm sure I'll see you next month.

903
01:21:05,120 --> 01:21:07,820
Would you tell me your last name so I get it, right?

904
01:21:08,260 --> 01:21:08,600
Okay.

905
01:21:08,720 --> 01:21:09,120
Here we go.

906
01:21:09,420 --> 01:21:10,300
It's very easy.

907
01:21:10,300 --> 01:21:16,640
It's turf-linger, paint the e if you change it to a u piece of cake.

908
01:21:17,280 --> 01:21:19,000
All right, I'm going to work on it.

909
01:21:19,160 --> 01:21:20,040
You better hockey.

910
01:21:27,080 --> 01:21:31,420
All right, the next speaker is James McKenzie.

911
01:21:32,560 --> 01:21:33,120
James?

912
01:21:35,330 --> 01:21:35,870
It's what?

913
01:21:36,910 --> 01:21:37,710
Mac Niddle.

914
01:21:38,970 --> 01:21:39,770
You know what?

915
01:21:40,690 --> 01:21:42,830
Either I may need some glasses.

916
01:21:45,790 --> 01:21:47,010
I've never been here before.

917
01:21:47,330 --> 01:21:48,430
Well welcome, welcome.

918
01:21:49,210 --> 01:21:53,770
I live in Sky Country, right below Sky Country Elementary.

919
01:21:54,690 --> 01:21:57,610
Seeing this gentleman's proposal, all these houses,

920
01:21:57,810 --> 01:22:00,010
the ones that are upwind building everything else,

921
01:22:00,090 --> 01:22:01,050
there's nothing about schools.

922
01:22:01,790 --> 01:22:03,690
This is close enough, will everybody be going

923
01:22:03,690 --> 01:22:04,690
to Sky Country Elementary?

924
01:22:05,350 --> 01:22:06,930
There's nothing about schools, all these people,

925
01:22:07,030 --> 01:22:09,970
200 to 400 houses, a lot of children, a lot of cars.

926
01:22:11,670 --> 01:22:14,770
There you go, a lot of cars, a lot of children, all that stuff.

927
01:22:16,230 --> 01:22:19,890
I've only moved here, I've only lived here 10 years, I've loved it over here, grew up in

928
01:22:19,890 --> 01:22:23,210
Ontario, Pomona, where these used to be orange groves, and Darries and everything everywhere.

929
01:22:23,430 --> 01:22:26,950
I graduated from Ontario High School in 82, lots of Darries and everything, and everything's

930
01:22:26,950 --> 01:22:31,630
all, like you said, choked out where the Darries were, all the Amazon buildings, and everywhere

931
01:22:32,230 --> 01:22:36,230
moved over here 10 years ago, because it's like, oh there's fields, there's actually yards,

932
01:22:36,590 --> 01:22:38,850
there's people running their motorcycles on, it's kind of cool.

933
01:22:39,290 --> 01:22:43,010
Now, we're just, I mean, shouldn't we finish one housing project, the one that's on

934
01:22:43,010 --> 01:22:47,570
wineville, the north side on alumni night by the 15, finish one, at least before we start

935
01:22:47,570 --> 01:22:48,030
the next one.

936
01:22:48,110 --> 01:22:49,650
We can have all these construction going on.

937
01:22:50,050 --> 01:22:50,910
We haven't finished anything.

938
01:22:51,190 --> 01:22:53,790
First, you just keep building anywhere there's a field.

939
01:22:53,930 --> 01:22:54,610
It doesn't make sense.

940
01:22:54,870 --> 01:22:55,730
It really doesn't make sense.

941
01:22:56,810 --> 01:23:03,530
So just I would say no, or wait, or hold off, or it's nice that he's going to build lights

942
01:23:03,530 --> 01:23:05,510
and signals for the horses, but 30 there.

943
01:23:05,830 --> 01:23:06,810
So that doesn't really matter.

944
01:23:08,930 --> 01:23:11,170
Well, I had two cents or a nickel worth.

945
01:23:11,590 --> 01:23:15,390
We appreciate you coming down, spending your time letting us know your feelings.

946
01:23:15,930 --> 01:23:19,710
And just so, you know, maybe the developer can answer the question on what schools.

947
01:23:20,130 --> 01:23:21,590
That's a school district issue.

948
01:23:21,930 --> 01:23:26,450
We don't know which schools, but the developer would have had to have engaged with the school

949
01:23:26,450 --> 01:23:28,430
district to find that out so they may know.

950
01:23:28,850 --> 01:23:32,990
And then the other thing you mentioned about finishing before you start the next one.

951
01:23:33,070 --> 01:23:35,610
These are all different developers with all different projects.

952
01:23:35,610 --> 01:23:45,230
And so it just don't care, and all the fuel, it's not that we don't care, it's just a matter of if a developer comes in with a project, we hear it when they bring it in.

953
01:23:45,350 --> 01:23:50,890
It's not that we can stop them from doing that, or you can stop them, you're in the seat, you do the math.

954
01:23:51,390 --> 01:23:54,030
So you can, if you can't, none of us can.

955
01:23:54,370 --> 01:23:57,170
No, we can't stop them from bringing projects forward.

956
01:23:57,590 --> 01:24:01,330
We can vote against them, let everybody get whatever they want.

957
01:24:01,330 --> 01:24:06,270
Yeah, that is we want stuff to all right. I think it looks

958
01:24:15,260 --> 01:24:19,500
like the next speaker is going to get six minutes Cindy Shryer

959
01:24:19,500 --> 01:24:24,180
You are you here and you have a donation from miss Walker?

960
01:24:26,750 --> 01:24:29,710
Okay, six minutes you you will have hello.

961
01:24:34,580 --> 01:24:36,220
Good morning. Good morning

962
01:24:36,220 --> 01:24:42,000
Good evening everybody. Good evening mayor city council members and

963
01:24:42,740 --> 01:24:47,360
Staff of the city of Rupa Valley. My name is Cindy Shryer. I have lived in this

964
01:24:48,340 --> 01:24:51,460
Mariloma Hrupavelli area for the past 40 years.

965
01:24:51,900 --> 01:25:01,500
I have come here tonight to speak on this agenda item 15A, which is the proposed multifamily housing project along Lemony and Wineville in Hrupavelli.

966
01:25:02,060 --> 01:25:11,160
This property is sandwiched between Sky Country and a big part of Old Town Mariloma with half acre to one to two acre properties, zone for animal keeping.

967
01:25:11,720 --> 01:25:16,480
We are not Eastville at the end of town, nor do we want to be.

968
01:25:16,480 --> 01:25:21,160
We are very happy to be within a protected equestrian overlays zone.

969
01:25:21,760 --> 01:25:27,460
This proposed project, as it is currently written, will have a huge impact on the residents

970
01:25:27,460 --> 01:25:32,640
of these people off of Smith, Frank, and other streets of Old Maryland, not designed to

971
01:25:32,640 --> 01:25:37,180
handle the amount of traffic and congestion which will pour into their neighborhoods.

972
01:25:38,160 --> 01:25:44,700
We want to keep what remnants of animal-keeping lifestyle we have left before it is all completely

973
01:25:44,700 --> 01:25:48,500
raised by those of you who want nothing more but progress.

974
01:25:49,400 --> 01:25:54,340
You are encroaching on our beloved lifestyle by building so many homes into our

975
01:25:54,340 --> 01:26:00,780
a Christian OLA area that is so important, so that it is important that we work together

976
01:26:01,580 --> 01:26:08,040
and that the developer recognizes this and work with us to give us something in return.

977
01:26:08,480 --> 01:26:11,960
I am requesting some changes to this project.

978
01:26:11,960 --> 01:26:19,020
Number one, do not allow the zoning change from PUD1 to PUD2.

979
01:26:19,520 --> 01:26:26,060
Number two, increase the amount of landscaper proposed by the developer to also include

980
01:26:26,060 --> 01:26:27,160
many more trees.

981
01:26:28,320 --> 01:26:34,960
Number three, the equestrian tie-ups within the proposed park should include and enclosed,

982
01:26:35,400 --> 01:26:41,400
should be enclosed within a pin to keep a horse from getting loose and also to keep non-horse

983
01:26:41,400 --> 01:26:47,240
Savvy Public to keep the non-horse Savvy Public safely away from the horses.

984
01:26:48,180 --> 01:26:54,180
Number four, the proposed bridge to have the horses to be able to cross safely from

985
01:26:54,180 --> 01:26:59,720
Sky Country over to the new project area should have permanent mounting blocks for

986
01:26:59,720 --> 01:27:04,860
the equestrians at both ends of the bridge for those riders who prefer to handwalk

987
01:27:04,860 --> 01:27:10,700
their horses and then be able to remount safely like old people like me who have to

988
01:27:10,700 --> 01:27:18,140
get on and off. Number five, there should be a bridal path on the project side of limonite

989
01:27:18,140 --> 01:27:24,540
as well as the sky country side with tall, strong fencing. You're taking away the bridal

990
01:27:24,540 --> 01:27:30,000
path on the south side. The meeting I attended a few weeks ago, at least

991
01:27:30,000 --> 01:27:35,120
Elaine and others at the farmer voice on Edawanda, was supposed to be just a casual question

992
01:27:35,120 --> 01:27:41,160
an answer meeting, a fellow interested local constituents to discuss the upcoming City Council meeting

993
01:27:41,580 --> 01:27:47,220
and this agenda item. Low and behold, John Russo, a co-owner of this property and Laura Schultz

994
01:27:47,220 --> 01:27:51,340
from the Planning Commission, showed up to our meeting which had been posted on Facebook.

995
01:27:51,660 --> 01:27:56,980
I had never met either one of them before this night, and so I had no idea where they were.

996
01:27:57,500 --> 01:28:02,960
I sure learned in a big hurry who John Russo was as he completely took over our meeting.

997
01:28:02,960 --> 01:28:08,940
I felt very threatened and intemityed by him as he tried to bully us and to not protesting

998
01:28:08,940 --> 01:28:14,080
any parts of this project at the upcoming, upcoming January council meeting.

999
01:28:14,540 --> 01:28:20,500
He told us that if we didn't allow him to do this project his way, he would then just sell the property

1000
01:28:20,500 --> 01:28:25,360
and that the next buyer would then come along and definitely request him much higher density project

1001
01:28:25,360 --> 01:28:26,460
than he has proposed.

1002
01:28:26,460 --> 01:28:33,060
I came away from the meeting, feeling very bullied, dejected and deflated.

1003
01:28:33,960 --> 01:28:41,880
Feeling as if we had no choice but to give in to his demands, this was truly his intent, I do believe.

1004
01:28:42,860 --> 01:28:52,140
Thank you, councilmembers, for your attention to this manner, and I do ask that you consider your vote on this project very, very carefully.

1005
01:28:52,860 --> 01:28:53,400
Thank you.

1006
01:28:58,940 --> 01:29:01,580
All right, the next speaker is George Ruiz.

1007
01:29:07,630 --> 01:29:08,730
Thank you, council members.

1008
01:29:09,010 --> 01:29:10,050
I'm not going to waste your time.

1009
01:29:10,070 --> 01:29:12,970
I want to reserve my comments to the following hearing.

1010
01:29:13,510 --> 01:29:16,050
If I choose to speak then, because of what happened this evening.

1011
01:29:16,230 --> 01:29:19,370
So I really, it would be unfair to give any kind of comment at this point.

1012
01:29:19,750 --> 01:29:20,650
But I appreciate your time.

1013
01:29:22,290 --> 01:29:26,070
All right, next speaker, Amanda Schorger.

1014
01:29:27,430 --> 01:29:27,870
Swagger?

1015
01:29:28,330 --> 01:29:28,550
Okay.

1016
01:29:29,230 --> 01:29:30,790
I'm going to get an eye doctor.

1017
01:29:35,010 --> 01:29:35,730
Once

1018
01:29:40,180 --> 01:29:45,620
again, good evening, Mayor Brexon, Council, everyone here tonight.

1019
01:29:46,560 --> 01:29:52,080
Like many of the other people here, I had much different things to say before the information

1020
01:29:52,080 --> 01:29:57,560
provided that we weren't going to get a full detailed lockdown of what's happening tonight.

1021
01:29:58,760 --> 01:29:59,960
After seeing the sign, I-

1022
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:29,920
Item of the agenda. I decided to take my very eager puppy on a walk in the post area to see the community before I made my decision points on what to say tonight. I saw a horse property now knowing to be up to one acre, plenty of livestock and agriculture in the area, and a big, giant lot that was not being developed. As somebody who's been trying to buy a home in this community for years and been unsuccessful due to ongoing housing

1023
01:30:29,920 --> 01:30:37,020
crisis and the lack of reasonably sized lots. I was excited to see the opportunity to have

1024
01:30:37,020 --> 01:30:42,980
properties developed in the area that I could actually afford on a salary that is not small,

1025
01:30:43,300 --> 01:30:50,600
about $120,000 a year after 19 years in the classroom. The reality, though, is I'm deeply concerned

1026
01:30:50,600 --> 01:30:59,840
about the presentation given us tonight, 200-ish units leave room for larger plots, for example,

1027
01:30:59,920 --> 01:31:08,460
single-family homes. But the idea that we could bring up to 400 high residential units is not

1028
01:31:08,460 --> 01:31:15,260
something our community needs. Going through and saying we'll have leeways for horses and for those

1029
01:31:15,260 --> 01:31:21,040
thing, our one thing. But the question I ask ourselves is, are we changing the

1030
01:31:21,040 --> 01:31:25,780
character of the area by bringing in this large amount of property? Are we

1031
01:31:25,780 --> 01:31:30,920
actually changing what we know here from the Hooper Valley area? Because the

1032
01:31:30,920 --> 01:31:36,500
reality is we need to stay to our roots here. Our roots are single-family homes, our

1033
01:31:36,500 --> 01:31:42,100
roots are land, beautiful nature here in our community, and the reality is that we

1034
01:31:42,100 --> 01:31:43,180
We need to keep that here.

1035
01:31:43,580 --> 01:31:47,200
I have no opposition to them building houses in that property.

1036
01:31:47,660 --> 01:31:55,640
It matches the community around it, whether it be the HOA communities to the left towards the Eastfield area, or the properties behind.

1037
01:31:56,460 --> 01:32:00,700
But we cannot make a decision tonight with the information provided.

1038
01:32:01,320 --> 01:32:07,980
No one in the right mind would pass something like this without knowing exactly what's going to happen.

1039
01:32:07,980 --> 01:32:13,440
And as we know, this is if I could get a postponement until March 5th.

1040
01:32:13,440 --> 01:32:15,220
And I hope you would do just that.

1041
01:32:15,580 --> 01:32:16,360
Thank you for your time.

1042
01:32:20,580 --> 01:32:22,920
Next speaker, Veronica Staffel.

1043
01:32:39,490 --> 01:32:40,430
Good evening, everybody.

1044
01:32:40,670 --> 01:32:41,850
My name is Veronica Staffel.

1045
01:32:42,670 --> 01:32:46,570
I had a really eloquent speech, but I'm going to pass on that.

1046
01:32:47,110 --> 01:32:48,450
This is my first time here.

1047
01:32:48,690 --> 01:32:52,810
And admittedly, I have to be honest.

1048
01:32:53,370 --> 01:32:55,130
It is incredibly disorganized.

1049
01:32:55,130 --> 01:32:57,310
the amount of different information coming around,

1050
01:32:57,790 --> 01:33:03,050
and then we have a presenter from the planning

1051
01:33:03,650 --> 01:33:06,550
from the actual housing track who's not ready to present,

1052
01:33:06,950 --> 01:33:09,090
and we have new information about,

1053
01:33:09,790 --> 01:33:12,550
guess what, we're probably not actually gonna vote tonight.

1054
01:33:13,630 --> 01:33:15,650
Makes me understand why a lot of people

1055
01:33:15,650 --> 01:33:17,890
don't wanna get involved, which I hate to say,

1056
01:33:18,070 --> 01:33:21,110
but my first impression is personally less than stellar.

1057
01:33:22,130 --> 01:33:30,350
Regarding what we're all here for, if something has to go in there, it should be PUD1.

1058
01:33:31,230 --> 01:33:34,070
I think we're all pretty much aware as to why.

1059
01:33:35,990 --> 01:33:40,870
And if you don't know why, I suggest you just go out into the community and talk to people.

1060
01:33:41,430 --> 01:33:43,370
I've been very fortunate here.

1061
01:33:43,570 --> 01:33:45,610
My family bought in Sky Country in 1991.

1062
01:33:45,610 --> 01:33:52,650
one, I was three years old so I have literally grown with the community and I feel very very

1063
01:33:52,650 --> 01:33:57,530
fortunate and very privileged to have had that opportunity and it's a place I don't anticipate

1064
01:33:57,530 --> 01:34:04,690
leaving. I do plan on staying here. One of the things I find so unique is that we don't

1065
01:34:04,690 --> 01:34:11,050
have a community, we have a heartbeat. There is not one paradigm here, it is a constantly

1066
01:34:11,050 --> 01:34:18,950
shifting pot of different people, different values and the vast majority of the people who

1067
01:34:18,950 --> 01:34:25,110
come here are coming here for what we have and what we have is open land. We have opportunity.

1068
01:34:25,910 --> 01:34:32,390
We have the chance to have a little bit to call our own. So why are we going to stray away

1069
01:34:32,890 --> 01:34:37,870
from what people want? If people want what we have, why don't we give that to them?

1070
01:34:40,470 --> 01:34:41,030
Thank

1071
01:34:43,750 --> 01:34:43,750
you very

1072
01:34:43,750 --> 01:34:50,890
We appreciate you, Veronica, coming down for your first time, and this is not a normal scenario that you're watching tonight.

1073
01:34:51,070 --> 01:34:56,470
This is actually very abnormal, but normally it doesn't go this way.

1074
01:34:57,390 --> 01:34:59,270
The next speaker is Lisa Lane.

1075
01:35:16,760 --> 01:35:17,240
Good evening.

1076
01:35:17,880 --> 01:35:20,480
I have been a resident of a Rupa Valley for 40 years.

1077
01:35:20,700 --> 01:35:23,600
I have been a real estate agent here for 25 years.

1078
01:35:24,000 --> 01:35:25,420
I can say this was certainty.

1079
01:35:25,900 --> 01:35:29,460
People do not move to her Rupa Valley for congestion, pollution, or traffic.

1080
01:35:29,460 --> 01:35:35,320
They move here for quality of life, open space, larger lots, and a quieter, more rural

1081
01:35:35,320 --> 01:35:35,920
community.

1082
01:35:36,380 --> 01:35:39,360
This project was originally approved as a PUD1.

1083
01:35:39,820 --> 01:35:43,260
The council accepted that decision when it was voted on in 2017.

1084
01:35:44,020 --> 01:35:49,060
I am asking the City Council to honor the original approval and keep the PUD as one, the

1085
01:35:49,060 --> 01:35:49,340
PUD.

1086
01:35:49,560 --> 01:35:51,860
We don't want to do another, a paradise nose.

1087
01:35:52,540 --> 01:35:55,980
We are repeatedly told that Lymanite is the gateway to Herupa Valley.

1088
01:35:55,980 --> 01:36:00,200
If this is truly our gateway, then it should be enhanced and protected.

1089
01:36:00,700 --> 01:36:05,520
Increased density traffic and congestion do not enhance the gateway, it diminishes it.

1090
01:36:06,060 --> 01:36:08,120
A few weeks ago, I held a community meeting.

1091
01:36:08,620 --> 01:36:10,500
John Russo, the property owner, attended.

1092
01:36:11,100 --> 01:36:15,720
And as it became clear, the community had concerns and was not supportive of the change.

1093
01:36:16,400 --> 01:36:18,840
His approach became much more like bullying and threats.

1094
01:36:19,500 --> 01:36:23,800
He told us that he could simply sell it and put a thousand apartments units on it.

1095
01:36:23,800 --> 01:36:30,320
As a real estate agent, I can tell you that bullying and threats do not build trust and do not lead to successful outcomes.

1096
01:36:30,860 --> 01:36:35,280
If I use those tactics with my clients, I would not be in business today.

1097
01:36:35,880 --> 01:36:40,900
Communities should not be pressured into accepting decisions that permanently impact their quality of life.

1098
01:36:41,480 --> 01:36:48,000
Many people moved here, left their families, and have worked hard for what they have, and are now being told that it no longer matters.

1099
01:36:48,000 --> 01:36:49,440
That is unacceptable.

1100
01:36:49,980 --> 01:36:50,680
It does matter.

1101
01:36:50,840 --> 01:36:55,440
These residents are the people who built this community, invested in it, and continue to support it.

1102
01:36:55,960 --> 01:36:56,340
Thank you.

1103
01:36:56,740 --> 01:36:57,060
All

1104
01:37:03,300 --> 01:37:03,460
right.

1105
01:37:03,600 --> 01:37:04,280
Thank you very much.

1106
01:37:04,480 --> 01:37:05,900
Next speaker is Randy Reynolds.

1107
01:37:13,420 --> 01:37:13,760
Good evening.

1108
01:37:14,060 --> 01:37:14,800
I am Randy Reynolds.

1109
01:37:16,020 --> 01:37:20,680
This is my first time here, and this is a disorganized mess from my opinion.

1110
01:37:21,100 --> 01:37:22,700
I'll take your word that this is now.

1111
01:37:22,800 --> 01:37:26,960
It normally is, although I've heard other people say that this is typical.

1112
01:37:26,960 --> 01:37:29,200
So, I'll make my own judgments.

1113
01:37:31,720 --> 01:37:39,460
I think I would like to go back in time to the zoning change that made this PUD1 and

1114
01:37:39,460 --> 01:37:49,160
change it back to what it was, the agricultural ranch type development that was in the original

1115
01:37:49,160 --> 01:37:49,540
plan.

1116
01:37:50,340 --> 01:37:56,260
It's too late for that, clearly I would suggest that we stay with PUD1.

1117
01:37:56,260 --> 01:38:20,980
And I do like the phrase gateway to the Valley Islamite going through, what a great opportunity we would have if we turned that property that's in the middle of the equestrian overlay into something equestrian, if we had an arena there, if we had something that is horse oriented.

1118
01:38:20,980 --> 01:38:29,180
And if that's not possible, at least let's not turn it into the development that's going

1119
01:38:29,180 --> 01:38:31,260
next to the 15.

1120
01:38:32,880 --> 01:38:39,440
If we can have high density residential in this town, but not in the middle of the

1121
01:38:39,440 --> 01:38:46,580
question overlay, not in the middle of the, you know, we're surrounded by horse property.

1122
01:38:46,800 --> 01:38:47,660
I live in Sky Country.

1123
01:38:47,940 --> 01:38:48,660
It's amazing.

1124
01:38:48,660 --> 01:38:55,720
I love when we have friends come in from out of town and I say hey look, there's no sidewalks, we have bridal trails.

1125
01:38:56,060 --> 01:38:58,740
That's cool, it's unique, it adds value.

1126
01:38:59,060 --> 01:39:03,660
It's something that doesn't exist in a lot of the world.

1127
01:39:03,760 --> 01:39:08,760
Why do we want to give up that equestrian flavor?

1128
01:39:09,700 --> 01:39:12,620
It's a big town, there's places for high density.

1129
01:39:13,060 --> 01:39:19,060
This is not that place. This is the place that we should be proud of, that we should look at and say,

1130
01:39:19,340 --> 01:39:29,100
wow, how cool is that development, how cool is this area? Let's not lose that. I don't care if a developer wants to come in and make money.

1131
01:39:29,280 --> 01:39:33,060
That's what he's in business for, but let him make that money, developing something else.

1132
01:39:33,280 --> 01:39:37,620
This property is special. We should treat it like this. We don't want to look back.

1133
01:39:37,620 --> 01:39:42,960
If you guys want to look back in 20 years and go, yeah, we approve that monstrosity, right?

1134
01:39:43,240 --> 01:39:54,080
And ugly development with some horse stuff on it is, I love that phrase, lipstick on

1135
01:39:54,080 --> 01:40:03,920
a pig is what this looks like, trying to appease, trying to appease, to get us to change

1136
01:40:03,920 --> 01:40:10,420
our minds about what we feel very deeply about which is this is a horse community. This is special.

1137
01:40:10,640 --> 01:40:17,120
This is why we're here because we care about this. It's why we live here. Thank you very much.

1138
01:40:22,980 --> 01:40:28,620
Next speaker is Pam Muller and you have Carol Olson this year giving you three minutes correct?

1139
01:40:29,760 --> 01:40:31,260
Okay you have six minutes.

1140
01:40:41,420 --> 01:40:45,500
Those comments are going to be hard to beat. They've all had a lot to say.

1141
01:40:48,820 --> 01:40:55,740
Okay guys, Mayor Burke said I'm looking to you for leadership on this project.

1142
01:40:56,200 --> 01:41:03,740
You were involved in 2017 and when it was originally approved, you were serving as a councilman

1143
01:41:03,740 --> 01:41:07,440
and you voted in favor of what you believed was the right proposal for Mayor Aloma.

1144
01:41:08,420 --> 01:41:13,440
I hope you still believe that the original approval reflected the best interests for the community.

1145
01:41:13,440 --> 01:41:20,120
This project is 100% discretionary and the decision before you tonight rests entirely

1146
01:41:20,120 --> 01:41:21,300
with you in this council.

1147
01:41:21,900 --> 01:41:26,480
Your consistency, integrity, and leadership matter, especially in moments like this.

1148
01:41:27,180 --> 01:41:31,660
I trust those principles will guide your decision this evening just as they did in the past.

1149
01:41:32,060 --> 01:41:37,160
I ask that you honor your previous vote and the values it represented by continuing to protect

1150
01:41:37,160 --> 01:41:38,080
your community.

1151
01:41:38,080 --> 01:41:43,840
Mary out Loma isn't just a name on a map, it's a community with deep roots built by

1152
01:41:43,840 --> 01:41:47,540
people about their land, their animals, their neighbors.

1153
01:41:48,340 --> 01:41:53,240
For decades they have cherished the Equestrian lifestyle, arena lights, dust, horses on local

1154
01:41:53,240 --> 01:41:56,740
roads, or nut nuisance, and they are all expected and accepted.

1155
01:41:57,520 --> 01:42:03,540
And understood, they are part of the character of the people knowingly choose when moved to

1156
01:42:03,540 --> 01:42:10,380
They represent self-reliance, tradition, and a way of life that cannot coexist with urban scale.

1157
01:42:11,720 --> 01:42:19,820
When that kind of development is introduced, conflict is unavoidable and the conflict does not fall in the developers, it falls on the residents.

1158
01:42:20,400 --> 01:42:27,740
It leads to complaint-driven enforcement vines and new restrictions imposed on the very people who built this community.

1159
01:42:27,740 --> 01:42:32,580
Seniors, longtime residents and families who poured their savings and their lives into

1160
01:42:32,580 --> 01:42:34,620
these properties are the ones who pay the price.

1161
01:42:35,040 --> 01:42:39,200
That is not progress that is pressure and it is displacement and intimidation.

1162
01:42:41,060 --> 01:42:46,960
Councilman Brahas and silver property owner and developer have all made or echoed statements

1163
01:42:46,960 --> 01:42:51,580
that if the project is not approved they will return with something larger, denser and

1164
01:42:51,580 --> 01:42:54,820
more disruptive or sell the property to somebody who will.

1165
01:42:55,380 --> 01:43:01,780
That's not collaboration, it's coercion, and it is attempt to use fear as leverage to

1166
01:43:01,780 --> 01:43:04,820
bully community into accepting projects it does not want.

1167
01:43:05,300 --> 01:43:08,320
That is not how a democratic process is supposed to work.

1168
01:43:08,960 --> 01:43:11,080
And the saddest part is this, it's working.

1169
01:43:11,440 --> 01:43:14,420
Many residents, especially seniors, are afraid to speak publicly.

1170
01:43:15,000 --> 01:43:19,460
They have told me directly that they fear retaliation, increased scrutiny, or subtle forms

1171
01:43:19,460 --> 01:43:20,620
of harassment if they do.

1172
01:43:20,620 --> 01:43:23,980
So that has created silence and fear.

1173
01:43:24,240 --> 01:43:25,400
The silence is dangerous.

1174
01:43:25,740 --> 01:43:29,000
Silence allows this behavior to continue unchecked.

1175
01:43:29,440 --> 01:43:34,080
What makes this even more troubling is that tonight's staff report confirms this pressure

1176
01:43:34,520 --> 01:43:36,100
does not end with approval.

1177
01:43:36,280 --> 01:43:41,360
On page 5 of the report, staff report, it clearly describes that the same pressures and

1178
01:43:41,360 --> 01:43:44,560
tactics could possibly continue if PUD2 is approved.

1179
01:43:45,080 --> 01:43:49,900
So approval does not resolve the problem and institutionalize it and sends a clear message

1180
01:43:49,900 --> 01:43:54,220
that intimidation works, and that fear is more powerful than residents' voices.

1181
01:43:55,160 --> 01:43:58,380
Trust is what is truly on the line here.

1182
01:43:58,560 --> 01:44:04,400
Councilman Brahas has repeated a used technical sounding language to mislead the community

1183
01:44:04,400 --> 01:44:08,980
about what is possible, what is legal, and what is supposedly inevitable.

1184
01:44:09,580 --> 01:44:14,060
This is just not confusing its dishonest and our residents deserve transparency.

1185
01:44:14,620 --> 01:44:18,920
Good faith, communication, not political spend disguised as planning expertise.

1186
01:44:19,740 --> 01:44:24,780
intimidation, misinformation, threats, and manipulation destroy public confidence and

1187
01:44:24,780 --> 01:44:26,660
undermine faith and city leadership.

1188
01:44:27,160 --> 01:44:31,240
And yet, despite all of this, one thing remains absolutely clear.

1189
01:44:31,840 --> 01:44:35,760
Our general plan is not vague and it is not open for interpretation.

1190
01:44:36,460 --> 01:44:41,400
It explicitly identifies Merrill Oma as rural, equestrian, and deserving of the protection

1191
01:44:41,680 --> 01:44:46,760
that was written for the residents, not for the developers, and for administration convenience.

1192
01:44:46,760 --> 01:44:52,800
Leading this property as it is, currently zone protects open space, equestrian use, public

1193
01:44:52,800 --> 01:44:58,380
safety, property values, and all of which are harmed in compatible urban development.

1194
01:44:58,920 --> 01:44:59,980
I direct my next-

1195
01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:28,500
Next comment to Councilman Silva. Councilman Silva, constituents that supported you, trusted you, and stood behind you because they believed you would protect them in moments exactly like this. You are elected to serve the community, and that means listening to the people who built Miraloma, not those seeking to exploit it. Now is the time to stand behind the residents who have stood behind you. They expect you to vote no, and there is no other vote that honors the trust that they have placed in you.

1196
01:45:28,500 --> 01:45:33,820
They are watching and they are depending on you to defend the values you promised to uphold.

1197
01:45:34,420 --> 01:45:39,600
Council members, this decision is about far more than property, is about whether intimidation,

1198
01:45:39,740 --> 01:45:44,080
misinformation, and threats become accepted as tools in shaping her Rupus future.

1199
01:45:44,540 --> 01:45:51,520
You can choose honesty, transparency, and resident right, or you can proceed with the pressure of

1200
01:45:51,520 --> 01:45:52,880
manipulation and let it win.

1201
01:45:53,460 --> 01:46:04,840
Stand with your residents who have trusted in you to make the right choices, stand with the people who built this community and continue to care for it, protect marijuana, protect our heritage, protect our homes.

1202
01:46:05,540 --> 01:46:18,540
I'm calling on each and every council member to vote no on this project, especially Mr. Mayor Berkson, who has been involved with this project from the beginning, and councilman Silva, who has a duty to defend the residents who trust him.

1203
01:46:18,540 --> 01:46:28,000
Her roof residents are watching closely, particularly in districts with upcoming elections, make it clear tonight that the voices of the people still matter in this city.

1204
01:46:28,480 --> 01:46:33,840
Elections are coming up, do the right thing, just as their voters will on November 3rd. Thank you very much.

1205
01:46:37,970 --> 01:46:40,370
And the next speaker is Betty Sanchez.

1206
01:46:40,370 --> 01:46:41,370
Hi,

1207
01:46:51,710 --> 01:47:05,230
I live on Wyneville about five houses away from where the new developed would be and where you've moved here 38 years ago and we moved here for the question lifestyle we have horses we can hardly even get out of our driveway.

1208
01:47:05,570 --> 01:47:16,830
There's so much traffic from all the developments that are going on and all the everything all the new people that are moving in they do not care about our question lifestyle.

1209
01:47:16,830 --> 01:47:19,250
They just, they race up and down.

1210
01:47:19,710 --> 01:47:23,550
The horse trails are all knocked down because of all the crazy drivers.

1211
01:47:24,170 --> 01:47:26,050
And nobody comes out and fixes up.

1212
01:47:26,770 --> 01:47:32,670
Our streets flood, our driveways flood because when they built a new housing track across the street.

1213
01:47:33,070 --> 01:47:35,770
They put the new road in, they built it too high.

1214
01:47:36,370 --> 01:47:41,710
They put the horse trails too high, so all the water from the rain goes all into our driveways.

1215
01:47:41,950 --> 01:47:43,610
We have to pump out our driveways.

1216
01:47:43,610 --> 01:47:47,170
And now they want to build more houses, more traffic.

1217
01:47:47,710 --> 01:47:52,950
We can't even get in and out, it's crazy, it's just too much.

1218
01:47:53,110 --> 01:47:58,030
I just, I do not go along with this because we need more open space and less people.

1219
01:47:58,730 --> 01:48:02,550
And less, okay, the opening for the shopping center or whatever they're going to put.

1220
01:48:02,910 --> 01:48:04,070
It's going to be online bill.

1221
01:48:04,950 --> 01:48:07,150
We're really not going to be able to get out of our drive race.

1222
01:48:07,710 --> 01:48:12,630
It's going to be so hard for us to even ride our horses.

1223
01:48:12,630 --> 01:48:17,170
in the area to be so close to the river be able to go down and enjoy yourself.

1224
01:48:17,710 --> 01:48:18,910
We're going to end up getting hurt.

1225
01:48:19,550 --> 01:48:25,010
We're going to end up getting hit by a car, even though we're on the trails because people don't know about the horses.

1226
01:48:25,470 --> 01:48:26,550
They all come in from cities.

1227
01:48:27,250 --> 01:48:29,530
They don't respect our request for your lifestyle.

1228
01:48:30,710 --> 01:48:31,490
Okay, thank you.

1229
01:48:32,010 --> 01:48:32,950
Thank you very much.

1230
01:48:35,780 --> 01:48:37,180
The next speaker is Ted Smith.

1231
01:48:41,600 --> 01:48:42,320
Ted Smith.

1232
01:48:55,910 --> 01:48:56,910
Good evening everyone.

1233
01:48:56,910 --> 01:49:03,090
everyone? I've seen our name on the agenda number 16 so I wasn't sure.

1234
01:49:03,430 --> 01:49:06,030
Oh, you put 50, do you want to talk about the other item?

1235
01:49:06,970 --> 01:49:07,170
No.

1236
01:49:07,430 --> 01:49:09,030
You want to talk about, Pyrate?

1237
01:49:09,330 --> 01:49:09,870
Yeah, Pyrate.

1238
01:49:09,950 --> 01:49:11,110
Okay, so we're not on that yet.

1239
01:49:11,410 --> 01:49:11,830
Oh, okay.

1240
01:49:11,970 --> 01:49:14,730
This just said this item, but we'll move it to the next one.

1241
01:49:14,970 --> 01:49:16,410
All right, all right, just hang tight.

1242
01:49:17,290 --> 01:49:19,670
In that case, the next speaker is Laura Inman.

1243
01:49:24,370 --> 01:49:27,590
Okay, so Matt Burris, you have six minutes.

1244
01:49:29,030 --> 01:49:29,990
That's been

1245
01:49:41,960 --> 01:49:55,920
a while, I was one of the inaugural planning commissioners here served planning commission for seven years that we had a planning commission and I was one of the planning commissioners that helped to prove this project in 2017.

1246
01:49:56,880 --> 01:50:02,720
At the time while being on planning commission it seems like the sentiment is still the same.

1247
01:50:02,720 --> 01:50:07,500
The idea behind incorporating was always, we do not want to be east-fail.

1248
01:50:08,420 --> 01:50:12,840
We want to be rural, we want to maintain our character who we are, our lifestyle.

1249
01:50:13,920 --> 01:50:16,700
And that played out all seven years that I was on a planning commission.

1250
01:50:17,640 --> 01:50:20,880
And that played out as we were reviewing John Russo's project ten years ago.

1251
01:50:22,400 --> 01:50:28,260
At the time, it seemed like it was worth the bargain to double John's density in exchange for

1252
01:50:29,280 --> 01:50:40,680
that would help serve our community, provide some tax revenue into the city, but also a number of amenities that would really help embrace that idea that this is the gateway to Miroloma.

1253
01:50:41,360 --> 01:50:51,300
I'd really like it to see that some of these things that we negotiated with John ten years ago play out here again at this project ends up getting approved.

1254
01:50:52,320 --> 01:50:54,360
One of the most important ones was limonite.

1255
01:50:55,020 --> 01:50:57,320
Our streets are our rooms in our city, right?

1256
01:50:57,420 --> 01:50:59,640
We're not going to see what's going on in any particular neighborhood.

1257
01:50:59,820 --> 01:51:04,200
But when you drive into a Miroloma, what you see on limonite is going to be the first impression.

1258
01:51:04,740 --> 01:51:08,100
And a big six-lane arterial is not Miroloma.

1259
01:51:08,240 --> 01:51:09,360
That is yeastfail.

1260
01:51:10,220 --> 01:51:14,940
And we asked at the time that that road be knocked down for two lanes in each direction.

1261
01:51:14,940 --> 01:51:18,480
Have it be a four-lane or the big wide median filled with trees.

1262
01:51:19,000 --> 01:51:20,460
The city could get its ultimate right of way.

1263
01:51:20,460 --> 01:51:24,180
And in the end, if we end up needing the room for additional lanes, we would have the land.

1264
01:51:24,760 --> 01:51:28,380
That was agreed upon back then, and it seems like that should be played out here.

1265
01:51:28,900 --> 01:51:32,300
We asked for the same things when we updated the General Plan in 2017.

1266
01:51:32,900 --> 01:51:36,580
And one of the ways to help make that happen traffic-wise is the General Plan proposed

1267
01:51:36,580 --> 01:51:41,280
that Cantu-Galliano would be knocked through, so that would take all that pressure off

1268
01:51:41,280 --> 01:51:41,800
limonite.

1269
01:51:42,160 --> 01:51:46,940
That's still in the General Plan, still viable strategy, could still make limonite a beautiful

1270
01:51:47,680 --> 01:51:48,560
country street.

1271
01:51:48,560 --> 01:52:00,500
Let's keep it two lanes in each direction. One of the things that Russo promised us that he would love to see is that we would have trails on both sides, and they would upgrade the north side of Limonite trails, fencing trees.

1272
01:52:00,960 --> 01:52:03,520
Make it a beautiful tree line street as you enter in.

1273
01:52:05,480 --> 01:52:11,580
Please don't allow any turn pockets on Limonite. Make it two lanes in each direction. Let it be a little bit of slower street.

1274
01:52:11,580 --> 01:52:16,220
the congestion is already there. I mean, who cares that it's congested one more block, right?

1275
01:52:16,460 --> 01:52:19,660
I mean, let's just keep it a smaller tamer street.

1276
01:52:20,840 --> 01:52:26,260
The shopping center would be great to make sure that any of those horse facilities get put into that center.

1277
01:52:27,100 --> 01:52:31,860
We've required crows on and off over the years, they get used, especially in Miraloma.

1278
01:52:32,280 --> 01:52:34,980
Please make sure we've got some good crows there, they will be used.

1279
01:52:35,460 --> 01:52:40,580
One of the other things we discussed 10 years ago is that this project is going to bring a whole lot more traffic

1280
01:52:40,580 --> 01:52:47,560
through sky country and there were supposed to be traffic calming that would come with this project for Lucrecia to help.

1281
01:52:47,880 --> 01:52:52,960
Help minimize the traffic and the speeds through our equestrian community that's clearly going to be impacted.

1282
01:52:54,240 --> 01:53:02,660
At the end of the day, whatever you guys decide, be great if we could get a number of these additional amenities to help make sure we keep our rural character.

1283
01:53:03,140 --> 01:53:07,240
And the one other thing I'd ask is that perhaps this general plan amendment that they're asking for,

1284
01:53:07,240 --> 01:53:10,620
which gives the city an extraordinary amount of discretion.

1285
01:53:11,380 --> 01:53:20,060
Maybe it could come with a development agreement, so whatever gets decided gets locked down and that decision runs with the land, and we don't have to be back here in a few more years.

1286
01:53:21,180 --> 01:53:24,980
The other thing I throw out there, nobody's going to want to fight.

1287
01:53:25,820 --> 01:53:30,740
These types of fights are like knife fights, no one's going to get out unharmed, no one's going to come out clean.

1288
01:53:31,340 --> 01:53:35,680
So maybe we can work together with a developer to find something that's going to actually benefit the community.

1289
01:53:35,680 --> 01:53:39,040
At the moment, it feels like it's a lot of cost to all of us.

1290
01:53:39,440 --> 01:53:44,240
Way more homes than we agreed to, we doubled their density in 2017.

1291
01:53:44,840 --> 01:53:50,180
After years of working with them, we were supposed to get a number of amenities to make our community look nicer.

1292
01:53:50,880 --> 01:53:54,720
Now we're missing out on the retail that's going to help our coffers and

1293
01:53:54,720 --> 01:53:59,260
help us provide services for more homes that is not going to bring more revenue.

1294
01:53:59,740 --> 01:54:03,640
And I do not see the additional benefits that we negotiated for this density increase years ago.

1295
01:54:03,640 --> 01:54:06,600
So hopefully those things can help as you guys did a lot.

1296
01:54:14,170 --> 01:54:20,090
And we appreciate your comments and refreshing us because 10 years ago was a few days ago.

1297
01:54:22,850 --> 01:54:26,910
Okay, the last speaker I have on this item, Roberto Ramirez.

1298
01:54:35,060 --> 01:54:36,700
Good evening council members.

1299
01:54:37,820 --> 01:54:42,860
One of the things that we're not bringing up is the project that's already going to happen.

1300
01:54:42,860 --> 01:54:47,960
It's already been approved, the one on Lymanite and the 15th freeway.

1301
01:54:48,580 --> 01:54:49,680
How many homes are coming there?

1302
01:54:51,060 --> 01:54:54,380
I mean, hundreds of homes are coming there.

1303
01:54:55,400 --> 01:55:00,640
Just add that to this particular project, which is right up the street from that, we're

1304
01:55:00,640 --> 01:55:01,780
just going to make things worse.

1305
01:55:03,500 --> 01:55:08,140
Paradise knows was one of our gems that we had in our community.

1306
01:55:08,920 --> 01:55:10,060
The golf course was beautiful.

1307
01:55:11,260 --> 01:55:13,600
You could see the mountains, it was just beautiful.

1308
01:55:13,720 --> 01:55:16,120
Now all we can see is a block wall.

1309
01:55:19,140 --> 01:55:23,140
This project, the picture that was left up here on the screen,

1310
01:55:23,940 --> 01:55:25,660
this is exactly what they want.

1311
01:55:26,120 --> 01:55:30,500
This is what they want, Harupa Valley, Miraloma to look like.

1312
01:55:30,820 --> 01:55:32,800
The picture that's left on the screen right now.

1313
01:55:33,560 --> 01:55:35,360
And that's just not who we are as a community.

1314
01:55:36,000 --> 01:55:38,960
I did it in this community for 26 years.

1315
01:55:38,960 --> 01:55:41,440
I raised all four of my kids here.

1316
01:55:42,880 --> 01:55:44,560
Three of them were born here.

1317
01:55:44,760 --> 01:55:47,800
One came here when she was a few months old.

1318
01:55:48,860 --> 01:55:50,520
And they've all moved out already.

1319
01:55:51,660 --> 01:55:52,820
And you know what they all want?

1320
01:55:53,400 --> 01:55:55,800
They want to live just like they grew up.

1321
01:55:56,500 --> 01:55:57,740
This is what they're looking for.

1322
01:55:58,720 --> 01:56:00,240
You know, they don't want to go live in an apartment.

1323
01:56:00,500 --> 01:56:02,420
One of my daughters, my oldest,

1324
01:56:02,660 --> 01:56:03,900
a sergeant in the Marine Corps,

1325
01:56:04,600 --> 01:56:05,800
just bought five acres.

1326
01:56:07,420 --> 01:56:12,700
She wants cows and she wants that's the vision. That's how they were raised. That's what they're looking for.

1327
01:56:14,380 --> 01:56:21,280
You know, we come here for a reason and we depend on you guys, you know, to support our dreams.

1328
01:56:22,160 --> 01:56:26,120
You know, we voted for you because we thought that you would represent us.

1329
01:56:27,840 --> 01:56:29,840
Chris, you don't represent us, buddy.

1330
01:56:30,620 --> 01:56:34,900
You represent the developers and these money people.

1331
01:56:36,160 --> 01:56:37,860
Chris, you're a great human being.

1332
01:56:38,060 --> 01:56:40,340
I think you have your heart where our heart is.

1333
01:56:42,880 --> 01:56:45,740
Willie, this is Cadi Corner to your community.

1334
01:56:46,980 --> 01:56:48,720
You shouldn't vote yes on this.

1335
01:56:50,280 --> 01:56:55,000
And I shouldn't say nothing about Raqq and Armando because I know for a fact that their

1336
01:56:55,000 --> 01:56:56,800
heart is on voting no on this.

1337
01:57:00,140 --> 01:57:02,360
These are these people that if this project is

1338
01:57:02,360 --> 01:57:05,460
approved the people that live in this community are the type of people that

1339
01:57:05,460 --> 01:57:11,660
are going to complain about us that that already live here now. You know let's

1340
01:57:11,660 --> 01:57:16,060
get let's get that mentality guys we depend on you guys to take care of us. We

1341
01:57:16,060 --> 01:57:22,580
put you guys here please respect us please respect our decisions. I truly

1342
01:57:22,580 --> 01:57:26,880
truly think that you guys as hard as in the right place, you know.

1343
01:57:27,620 --> 01:57:29,060
Chris, you need to change your ways, buddy.

1344
01:57:30,840 --> 01:57:33,980
Nobody likes what you're doing, but thank you.

1345
01:57:40,540 --> 01:57:40,840
Okay.

1346
01:57:41,100 --> 01:57:46,680
I am out of public speaker cards for this item, so the developer will have five minutes to

1347
01:57:46,680 --> 01:57:49,160
come back and do their rebuttal.

1348
01:57:53,730 --> 01:57:58,790
So I ran out of time during my presentation when we were talking about the housing laws,

1349
01:57:58,790 --> 01:58:04,650
Rather than to continue walking through some of the nuances of those laws, I think it's more important to talk about why they exist.

1350
01:58:05,910 --> 01:58:14,150
I think everyone in this room has a son, daughter, cousin, friend who's had to leave the state of California for affordability.

1351
01:58:14,810 --> 01:58:19,450
I mean, I personally know ten people in my close circle who have left the state.

1352
01:58:20,610 --> 01:58:24,290
These housing laws are because we're the second most of

1353
01:58:24,290 --> 01:58:32,570
unaffordable state in our union because we don't build enough housing to supply the residents that want to live in the state.

1354
01:58:35,090 --> 01:58:37,290
And also I want to comment on the images.

1355
01:58:38,130 --> 01:58:40,350
Those images are not at all what we're proposing.

1356
01:58:40,530 --> 01:58:43,830
Those are some of the projects that could be built using those housing laws.

1357
01:58:44,410 --> 01:58:48,630
Obviously our project is, most of the product is completely detached.

1358
01:58:48,630 --> 01:58:56,370
All except for the townhouses, which are captured two stories, all important feedback we got from the community when we are designing this.

1359
01:58:56,910 --> 01:59:03,130
But I don't want to end on what our project is not or what a hypothetical project could happen on this property.

1360
01:59:03,830 --> 01:59:05,550
I want to end on what our project is.

1361
01:59:06,530 --> 01:59:11,230
You know, we spent five years, we started in 2021 on designing this project.

1362
01:59:11,230 --> 01:59:23,010
And it has gone through a ton of changes, which is added a lot of time to the process because we've consistently made tweaks as we got feedback from all the different folks on, you know, what makes the best project?

1363
01:59:23,190 --> 01:59:30,870
And was it the vision we started out with? No, but do we think it made the best project that we could bring on this property that still feasible develop?

1364
01:59:31,490 --> 01:59:38,170
Absolutely. It's bringing tons of amenities not only for our community but for the surrounding public.

1365
01:59:38,170 --> 01:59:42,970
it's bringing three different housing product types that are incredibly

1366
01:59:42,970 --> 01:59:47,330
in demand and we didn't choose the housing product type just because you know

1367
01:59:47,330 --> 01:59:50,950
we threw a dart in a dart board there's a reason this housing product is so

1368
01:59:50,950 --> 01:59:55,810
in demand. Quarter acre lots half acre lots are not affordable for new people

1369
01:59:55,810 --> 01:59:59,530
getting into the there for their first home you know they're million dollar houses

1370
01:59:59,530 --> 01:59:59,950
This is now...

1371
02:00:00,000 --> 02:00:28,500
In the UN Empire, you know, you look at LA Orange County. So the housing product that's being developed is a little bit denser than what may have been done in the 70s or 80s, but it's the way to keep our kids in the state. It's the way to keep your kids in the city that they grew up living in. And, you know, the tradeoff, as you get a lot of amenities and common area for that. I also want to note a lot of people are talking about the previous entitlement. We had nothing to do with that.

1372
02:00:28,500 --> 02:00:33,880
we weren't part of the project till 2021. I would note it's not built. There's reasons it's not built.

1373
02:00:34,160 --> 02:00:40,500
This project is incredibly economically difficult to make pencil. I know they had promised a lot of

1374
02:00:40,500 --> 02:00:47,340
things, a lot of things that we kept in our proposal but we're confident this project can move forward

1375
02:00:47,340 --> 02:00:56,120
as designed and we're excited to see see that happen. I would note the over 130 people that

1376
02:00:56,120 --> 02:01:00,640
that wrote support letters again for you all to know they are asked not to come today.

1377
02:01:01,960 --> 02:01:08,020
So I get the sentiment of the room is largely skewed into one direction, but that's not

1378
02:01:08,020 --> 02:01:11,900
necessarily the overall sentiment of the city of Rupe Valley.

1379
02:01:12,060 --> 02:01:14,680
There is a lot of people that want new housing.

1380
02:01:14,780 --> 02:01:18,700
I've had multiple community meetings where people have come up to me and said, hey, I'm glad

1381
02:01:18,700 --> 02:01:21,440
you're providing these different housing options in our city.

1382
02:01:21,440 --> 02:01:29,800
So I did want to note that because obviously the opinions are definitely in one direction tonight.

1383
02:01:31,680 --> 02:01:51,420
I want to touch briefly on a comment, Council Member Krohmonement about the housing laws and how does this new proposal, which does change about 3.7 acres from commercial to residential, does that expose us to using housing laws?

1384
02:01:51,420 --> 02:02:00,680
laws more. Housing laws already allow housing by right on commercial property. It's actually

1385
02:02:00,680 --> 02:02:06,260
a much higher clip than they do your five day units breaker even with the density bonuses.

1386
02:02:06,940 --> 02:02:12,180
So if you're worried about some hypothetical scenario where this project doesn't get built

1387
02:02:12,180 --> 02:02:17,440
and someone proposes something new, it actually decreases the total unit someone could put

1388
02:02:17,440 --> 02:02:23,180
on this proposal because you have a few acres less commercial and a few more acres of

1389
02:02:23,180 --> 02:02:28,600
five to eight units. The acre. Again, it's absolutely our intention to have this project get built.

1390
02:02:29,220 --> 02:02:36,180
We've put a lot of blood, sweat, tears, and money into this project and think the residents in

1391
02:02:36,180 --> 02:02:40,520
the city are going to be really proud to see when it happens, when it comes together. I get it's hard

1392
02:02:40,520 --> 02:02:45,000
to see a lot of these when you're looking at 2D images. But when that commercial centers built,

1393
02:02:45,000 --> 02:02:50,220
Well, I think it's going to be a jewel for the City of Rupa Valley that most of the residents are proud that it's in their community.

1394
02:02:51,040 --> 02:02:54,820
So with that, I'm still happy to answer. I know there's a lot of technical questions.

1395
02:02:55,960 --> 02:03:00,160
Happy to answer those, but I want to make sure I said that in about five minutes.

1396
02:03:00,660 --> 02:03:14,340
Perfect. Thank you. All right. Now, it's up to the dias. So we have a decision first to make on whether or not we continue this, or is there anybody in council that is requesting that we vote on this?

1397
02:03:14,340 --> 02:03:18,320
So start with asking who wants this to be voted on tonight.

1398
02:03:20,790 --> 02:03:25,070
Well, I'd like to discuss it and go ahead.

1399
02:03:25,810 --> 02:03:31,920
Yeah, I mean, so I'm close to making a decision.

1400
02:03:33,580 --> 02:03:36,200
I think that I had a quick question.

1401
02:03:37,160 --> 02:03:37,640
Well, no,

1402
02:03:40,410 --> 02:03:49,570
I think there's a couple of things on this project that convinced me and

1403
02:03:49,570 --> 02:03:50,630
to make a decision.

1404
02:03:55,540 --> 02:04:03,760
One big question is, is PUD2, is what they're offering more beneficial

1405
02:04:03,760 --> 02:04:13,720
to our community and to residents than PUD1. That's one. The other is, and it's fascinating

1406
02:04:13,720 --> 02:04:22,700
to hear the presenter that, you know, because I've heard it over the last few months,

1407
02:04:23,000 --> 02:04:26,560
oh, the developer, Russo, they're threatening us.

1408
02:04:27,040 --> 02:04:31,460
They're threatening residents with a worst project, with a bigger build.

1409
02:04:32,220 --> 02:04:36,120
And, you know, you hear it and it's like, okay, you process it and document it.

1410
02:04:36,420 --> 02:04:42,060
But then hearing him right now, spending so much time on these hypotheticals,

1411
02:04:42,060 --> 02:04:47,540
It just reaffirms, it's astonishing, you know.

1412
02:04:48,540 --> 02:04:50,720
I was told that you guys were pumping your chest

1413
02:04:50,720 --> 02:04:52,640
and saying, hey, if you don't approve this,

1414
02:04:52,760 --> 02:04:53,640
we'll build something worse.

1415
02:04:54,140 --> 02:04:56,320
And whether you wanna believe that or not,

1416
02:04:57,060 --> 02:05:00,180
you leave your slide up, you tell people,

1417
02:05:00,460 --> 02:05:01,420
this is what we're gonna do.

1418
02:05:02,360 --> 02:05:04,360
You've already ran through the scenarios.

1419
02:05:04,940 --> 02:05:07,920
And the reality is that if the zone changes,

1420
02:05:07,920 --> 02:05:11,540
is those scenarios get worse exponentially.

1421
02:05:13,860 --> 02:05:15,700
And so I think that's one.

1422
02:05:16,280 --> 02:05:18,640
In terms of the infrastructure, I mean, we heard it,

1423
02:05:19,260 --> 02:05:21,760
and very clearly from a previous planning commissioner,

1424
02:05:22,160 --> 02:05:26,360
and I appreciate him coming up, that there's,

1425
02:05:26,500 --> 02:05:30,600
the infrastructure that PUD2 and this project is presenting

1426
02:05:31,240 --> 02:05:36,480
doesn't necessarily outweigh what would already be allowed,

1427
02:05:36,480 --> 02:05:40,000
and what would already be required under PUD1.

1428
02:05:42,000 --> 02:05:44,540
So those two are really important.

1429
02:05:45,000 --> 02:05:48,500
The other is we saw a slide, I think it was his fourth slide.

1430
02:05:49,320 --> 02:05:51,600
They've been working on this for two years,

1431
02:05:52,180 --> 02:05:56,440
and how is it that in less than 24 hours,

1432
02:05:57,120 --> 02:06:03,800
they already had a very clear slide about what the actual density is

1433
02:06:03,800 --> 02:06:06,780
versus the density that they were lying to us about.

1434
02:06:07,440 --> 02:06:14,760
So that makes me believe that they've known that this wasn't 1.1, it was actually 3.0

1435
02:06:14,760 --> 02:06:18,740
or, you know, it was more acreage, and they were just hoping to fix that later on,

1436
02:06:19,560 --> 02:06:23,640
which we're talking about trust, that makes me lose a lot of trust.

1437
02:06:24,220 --> 02:06:24,720
So,

1438
02:06:27,060 --> 02:06:34,260
for me, it's a lot more clear in terms of how I want to vote on this point.

1439
02:06:34,640 --> 02:06:37,340
All right. So, I'll ask, I'll re-ask the question.

1440
02:06:38,140 --> 02:06:41,820
Who wants to vote on this tonight? Yes or no?

1441
02:06:42,080 --> 02:06:42,300
Yes.

1442
02:06:46,450 --> 02:06:56,110
Okay. No, no, no. Yes. We've already got three knows. So, all officially continue this until March 5th,

1443
02:06:56,110 --> 02:07:00,130
2026, that will be hopefully the wrap up final hearing.

1444
02:07:00,730 --> 02:07:13,470
We will bring this back when we have not only the developer who has now told us a number of times about 130 residents who may want to show up and we'll see if that happens or not.

1445
02:07:14,190 --> 02:07:21,150
But we will have all the facts that Mr. Perez was mentioning about the commercial issues.

1446
02:07:21,150 --> 02:07:30,310
We will get, hopefully, not hopefully, we will get additional clarification on things that were stated tonight on what we have.

1447
02:07:31,030 --> 02:07:44,210
What we have, if we do nothing and leave it at the PUD1, what scenarios would PED2 evolve into if PED2 didn't get built as designed with the density issues.

1448
02:07:44,210 --> 02:07:46,410
We want to know how that would look.

1449
02:07:46,870 --> 02:07:49,630
I am on to spend quite a bit of time talking about numbers.

1450
02:07:49,830 --> 02:07:59,030
I want the council to be very, and the public to be very well informed of what the developer is claiming.

1451
02:07:59,470 --> 02:08:05,070
Could be scenarios, let's bring those back so we can dissect those as well in this conversation.

1452
02:08:05,710 --> 02:08:13,250
I appreciate Matthew Burres, who was my planning commissioner before me, who was Michael Goodland's planning commissioner.

1453
02:08:13,250 --> 02:08:20,850
Now Arlene Pruitt is my planning commissioner, but I spent many years with Matt looking at projects just like this.

1454
02:08:21,210 --> 02:08:29,710
He's a very knowledgeable guy, so I appreciate you coming and speaking tonight to refresh us, and with that we will move to the next item.

1455
02:08:30,410 --> 02:08:30,590
Okay,

1456
02:08:35,610 --> 02:08:38,310
next item is item 16A, Council of Business.

1457
02:08:38,530 --> 02:08:44,410
This is an in-term urgency ordinance of the city, Council of the City of Rupa Valley, California,

1458
02:08:44,410 --> 02:08:58,210
When you're imposing a temporary moratorium on the approval of new development applications within the North Pyrite Master Plan area until completion of environmental studies identifying and addressing safety concerns for future development.

1459
02:08:59,030 --> 02:09:02,970
Principal Planner Jim, could check us, may we please have a staff report?

1460
02:09:05,200 --> 02:09:09,140
Thank you, Mr. Mayor, members of the City Council.

1461
02:09:10,340 --> 02:09:12,060
I'm on a roll, and I give me a break.

1462
02:09:14,540 --> 02:09:20,760
Anyway, I've been called worse by me, not me, not by you.

1463
02:09:21,120 --> 02:09:26,860
Anyway, we're going to talk about the interim urgency ordinance for the North Pirate Master Plan tonight.

1464
02:09:31,150 --> 02:09:39,110
The interim ordinance is a temporary moratorium pausing acceptance of processing of land use applications.

1465
02:09:40,490 --> 02:09:52,090
It's done in accordance or is written in accordance to the government code, and it protects the public health and safety pending environmental studies and investigations being completed.

1466
02:09:52,770 --> 02:09:59,530
And it addresses some potential impacts from the string pillow super fun site and we'll get into a little more detail on that.

1467
02:10:00,750 --> 02:10:06,690
Just some background, North Pirate Master Plan is approximately 215 acres and this map

1468
02:10:06,690 --> 02:10:14,330
shows you the outline of the master plan area along with in the square there are congested

1469
02:10:14,330 --> 02:10:20,030
up on the upper end of the canyon is the string fellow site location.

1470
02:10:21,050 --> 02:10:31,770
And then the site is historically accepted approximately 35 million gallons of hazardous

1471
02:10:31,770 --> 02:10:35,810
waste between the years of 1956 and 1972.

1472
02:10:36,810 --> 02:10:44,470
It was identified as a superfund site and the responsible agency for the cleanup is the

1473
02:10:44,470 --> 02:10:48,270
state DTSC, the Department of Toxic Substance Control.

1474
02:10:48,270 --> 02:10:59,230
and then it's overseen as the responsible agency for the supervising to clean up the environmental protection agency, which is the federal agency.

1475
02:11:01,490 --> 02:11:08,590
Long-term, environmental conditions in the lower north pirate canyon remain unknown or uncertain.

1476
02:11:09,710 --> 02:11:18,310
So the description of the issues, the public health safety risk due to unknown soil, groundwater

1477
02:11:18,310 --> 02:11:26,190
and vapor intrusion conditions, incomplete environmental data for the entire canyon area,

1478
02:11:26,810 --> 02:11:31,610
and unknown development suitability.

1479
02:11:32,190 --> 02:11:36,470
The EPA has not issued its final record of decision.

1480
02:11:36,470 --> 02:11:49,950
That's probably two to three years, at least two or three years away, and that would provide more information about the contamination and the suitability development, but again, that's quite a ways away.

1481
02:11:50,630 --> 02:11:59,230
Environmental studies to date have been on a parcel by parcel, but not a comprehensive analysis of the contamination in the canyon.

1482
02:12:00,270 --> 02:12:07,410
the city council and the community have requested verification of safety priority and you need to develop the terrain and the canyon.

1483
02:12:09,700 --> 02:12:18,000
So the proposed scope of the moratorium would prohibit acceptance, processing, and approval of any new development within the canyon area.

1484
02:12:19,020 --> 02:12:27,480
It applies to discretionary and ministerial permits. It prohibits the expansion of existing uses within the North Pyrite Master Plan area.

1485
02:12:27,480 --> 02:12:33,660
It does allow for maintenance of legal existing uses in public safety infrastructure.

1486
02:12:34,040 --> 02:12:41,120
It also exempts the EPA, DTSC remediation and monitoring activities within the canyon.

1487
02:12:43,780 --> 02:12:52,680
The duration of a more tariff, the initial more time if you were to proceed, would be 45

1488
02:12:52,680 --> 02:12:57,500
days, and maybe extended up to two years in total.

1489
02:12:57,500 --> 02:13:01,640
The ordinance is exempt from CEQA.

1490
02:13:02,560 --> 02:13:08,280
The moratorium prevents potential environmental impacts during the moratorium period.

1491
02:13:08,740 --> 02:13:10,940
I'm not allowing additional development.

1492
02:13:12,080 --> 02:13:16,320
And the cost of this city is limited to the advanced planning budget.

1493
02:13:16,880 --> 02:13:26,000
But also as we talked with the processing of a study, we would bring forward a cost sharing

1494
02:13:26,000 --> 02:13:30,480
reimbursement program along with the council's consideration at that time.

1495
02:13:32,360 --> 02:13:37,880
As far as the process itself, we're talking about the more time tonight if it were to move

1496
02:13:37,880 --> 02:13:45,280
forward on the next City Council meeting on February 5th, we would bring a report describing

1497
02:13:45,280 --> 02:13:50,440
the measures that have been taken so far to alleviate the conditions that led to the more

1498
02:13:51,280 --> 02:14:07,520
Then on February 19th, we will come back to City Council for the consideration of extending the moratorium for another 10 months and 15 days bringing it to a total of one year, which would expire on January 14th, 2027.

1499
02:14:08,880 --> 02:14:14,440
So that brings me to the recommendation, which is to adopt an interim emergency ordinance

1500
02:14:14,440 --> 02:14:19,980
and pose in a temporary moratorium by receding, processing, and approval of new development

1501
02:14:19,980 --> 02:14:24,980
within the North Pirate Master Plan area, and also determining that this ordinance would

1502
02:14:24,980 --> 02:14:26,080
be exempt from CEQA.

1503
02:14:27,100 --> 02:14:29,420
And that concludes my presentation.

1504
02:14:30,040 --> 02:14:30,300
All right.

1505
02:14:30,560 --> 02:14:31,960
Do we have questions for staff on this?

1506
02:14:33,340 --> 02:14:33,900
Okay.

1507
02:14:33,900 --> 02:14:35,940
We have speakers, so we'll move to them.

1508
02:14:36,980 --> 02:14:41,820
First one looks like Joaquin Castellos.

1509
02:14:50,120 --> 02:14:52,800
Good evening, City Council staff, the community.

1510
02:14:52,960 --> 02:14:54,940
My name is Joaquin Castellos.

1511
02:14:55,140 --> 02:14:57,140
I'm here representing the Center for Community Action

1512
02:14:57,600 --> 02:14:58,800
and Environmental Justice.

1513
02:15:00,000 --> 02:15:29,980
CCAEJ. I'm here today in support of this urgency ordinance, and I'm asking the council to support it as well. It's really important to continue to analyze the site for potential impacts to protect the community. As we all know, the history of the string-fellow acid pits, a lot of families were hurt by it, long-term damages. A lot of hurt, and we got to prevent that from happening again. And not

1514
02:15:31,360 --> 02:15:38,440
So we look forward to speaking with Council staff about this item and continue to talk about it.

1515
02:15:39,060 --> 02:15:46,320
And we're hoping that you approve this item and support the urgency ordinance.

1516
02:15:46,600 --> 02:15:46,860
Thank you.

1517
02:15:47,320 --> 02:15:48,120
Thank you very much.

1518
02:15:48,260 --> 02:15:49,320
Next speaker is Penny Newman.

1519
02:15:59,480 --> 02:16:00,380
Good evening.

1520
02:16:01,240 --> 02:16:08,340
Penny Newman and I'm representing also CCA, J is the intervener in the string fellow federal enforcement action.

1521
02:16:08,340 --> 02:16:17,240
That means that we are a party to any cleanup, any activity that affects String Fellow by order of the court.

1522
02:16:18,260 --> 02:16:25,200
So, we are not just the general public, we are a party to that cleanup.

1523
02:16:25,480 --> 02:16:33,740
You have EPA, as the overseer, you have Department of Toxic Substance Control, which is the polluter, that is the responsible party.

1524
02:16:33,740 --> 02:16:47,580
They were found in court to have not fulfilled their role as a protective agency, and were found 100% liable for all of the cleanup.

1525
02:16:48,220 --> 02:16:53,980
It's a much different situation than happens in any other site, superfund or not.

1526
02:16:55,120 --> 02:16:57,960
I'm here to speak in favor of the moratorium.

1527
02:16:57,960 --> 02:17:07,060
I think it gives us a little time to take a better look at the canyon and what we can expect from it and what we need to protect.

1528
02:17:07,560 --> 02:17:15,920
I wanted to make it clear that I do not believe and I'm pretty certain no one is being exposed to toxic chemicals at this time.

1529
02:17:16,540 --> 02:17:19,980
We work very hard to make sure that that happened.

1530
02:17:19,980 --> 02:17:27,840
The soil has been tested from the canyon down through the elementary school and on down through into Santa and a river.

1531
02:17:28,440 --> 02:17:36,100
So I wanted to make that very clear because people kind of over-react thinking about that canyon and what has happened in the past.

1532
02:17:36,780 --> 02:17:44,880
Our job now is to make sure it doesn't happen again, and that's why I'm concerned about the development in that canyon.

1533
02:17:44,880 --> 02:17:50,860
We've come up with some ideas that will protect the infrastructure, the piping, the wiring,

1534
02:17:51,420 --> 02:17:55,220
the wells that are located in that canyon.

1535
02:17:55,420 --> 02:18:02,100
It's a very narrow area along that road that might, if we can provide a way of protecting

1536
02:18:02,100 --> 02:18:04,720
it, they can develop around it.

1537
02:18:05,160 --> 02:18:10,180
But we need to really look at that very closely, and so I'm really pleased that we're doing

1538
02:18:10,180 --> 02:18:15,380
the moratorium and that you guys are conducting a study that will make you much more secure

1539
02:18:15,970 --> 02:18:20,180
in what your actions will be. Thank you. All right, thank you.

1540
02:18:21,200 --> 02:18:26,660
Next speaker is Charlie. I'm going to butcher it, so I'm not going to, but I know who you are,

1541
02:18:26,820 --> 02:18:27,400
so come on up.

1542
02:18:31,050 --> 02:18:38,230
A long Polish one, Sysa Kowski. Sysa Kowski. Sysa Kowski. You were very close.

1543
02:18:38,230 --> 02:18:39,390
So, really?

1544
02:18:39,570 --> 02:18:39,950
Yes.

1545
02:18:40,270 --> 02:18:41,710
Not very many people get it closed, so.

1546
02:18:42,590 --> 02:18:43,110
All right.

1547
02:18:43,210 --> 02:18:43,810
Well, good evening.

1548
02:18:44,010 --> 02:18:45,930
Mayor Borkeson and City Council members.

1549
02:18:46,170 --> 02:18:51,530
My name is Charlie Stacowski and I am a consultant working for EPD solutions on behalf of Riverside

1550
02:18:51,530 --> 02:18:51,830
Legacy.

1551
02:18:52,470 --> 02:18:56,290
I'd like to speak tonight regarding the temporary moratorium proposed on this agenda item.

1552
02:18:56,930 --> 02:19:01,650
I'm here to ask you not to adopt the ordinance, but if you do, you must modify the moratorium

1553
02:19:01,650 --> 02:19:06,610
scope so that it covers only the contaminated land and doesn't harm properties that have

1554
02:19:06,610 --> 02:19:08,750
have been tested and proven to be completely safe.

1555
02:19:09,530 --> 02:19:15,050
This is the same ask contained in Riverside Legacy's December 11th, 2025 letter to this council,

1556
02:19:15,290 --> 02:19:20,490
which is a part of the administrative record and is included in attachment number three in tonight's staff report.

1557
02:19:21,870 --> 02:19:31,270
Specifically, Riverside Legacy requests that you narrowly modify the proposed ordinance to exclude its property from the North Pyrite Master Plan Environmental Review and associated moratorium.

1558
02:19:31,270 --> 02:19:36,810
The Riverside Legacy property must be excluded from the moratorium because there's no string

1559
02:19:36,810 --> 02:19:41,170
fellow contamination affecting the property in only a small corner of the property is included

1560
02:19:41,170 --> 02:19:47,950
within the study area. Only a little over an acre of the 22.26 acre property lies within

1561
02:19:47,950 --> 02:19:53,690
the study area and that area has no proposed development on it. There has been extensive

1562
02:19:53,690 --> 02:19:59,010
environmental investigations and site-specific diligence for the property and every report

1563
02:19:59,010 --> 02:20:04,050
and the peer review concluded that the string follow-up loom is not a restraint to the property's future use

1564
02:20:04,050 --> 02:20:08,350
and that there are no environmental conditions prohibiting any industrial development.

1565
02:20:08,810 --> 02:20:12,970
Your staff has these reports and they are two part of the administrative record.

1566
02:20:13,910 --> 02:20:18,310
It is also worth noting that the SEGIS previously approved development in the immediate vicinity,

1567
02:20:18,870 --> 02:20:23,470
including the shops at Rupa Valley based on site-specific environmental analysis

1568
02:20:23,470 --> 02:20:27,570
using the same scientific standards and regulatory framework applied here.

1569
02:20:27,570 --> 02:20:34,210
That project moved forward following a detailed environmental review and clearance despite being within the same area.

1570
02:20:35,330 --> 02:20:43,050
Riverside Legacy's property has undergone equivalent and in some cases a more extensive environmental scrutiny with very similar clear results.

1571
02:20:44,410 --> 02:20:48,950
With that context, I want to briefly highlight five concerns with the proposed moratorium.

1572
02:20:49,370 --> 02:20:52,770
The moratorium is overly conservative and is too broad.

1573
02:20:52,770 --> 02:20:57,730
And the moratorium is legally problematic because it subjects unaffected property owners

1574
02:20:57,730 --> 02:21:03,450
outside of the string fell prune plume to a development moratorium on their properties

1575
02:21:03,790 --> 02:21:08,890
even though there is no contamination on their property and even if they have a development

1576
02:21:08,890 --> 02:21:11,990
application currently being proposed in the city.

1577
02:21:12,990 --> 02:21:17,990
The companion environmental review to the moratorium is also legally problematic because

1578
02:21:17,990 --> 02:21:22,530
it forces unaffected property owners outside of the string fell plume to pay for something

1579
02:21:22,530 --> 02:21:27,090
that does not apply to them, does not benefit them, and yet they'll be the ones picking up the tab.

1580
02:21:28,810 --> 02:21:33,510
Inclusion of the property in the moratorium coupled with the proposed EIR creates an unavoidable

1581
02:21:33,510 --> 02:21:39,970
uncertainty as the property, right? It is an illegal extraction and would constitute an

1582
02:21:39,970 --> 02:21:43,570
unconstitutional taking of private property. I thank you all for your time.

1583
02:21:44,330 --> 02:21:50,150
Thank you. And Peter, when we're done with public comments, if you can address the comments

1584
02:21:50,150 --> 02:21:54,830
from Charlie. Next public speaker Ted Smith, that's your turn.

1585
02:22:13,710 --> 02:22:17,190
Hello. Hello. Yeah, we can hear you. Hello. Yeah.

1586
02:22:17,550 --> 02:22:26,450
A good evening, council. And first I'd like to commend Penny Newman for her years and years and years and years of

1587
02:22:28,490 --> 02:22:36,270
environmental positive work done, especially on the acid pits, the superfund site there.

1588
02:22:36,270 --> 02:22:46,510
So there's not too many property owners that would basically be willing to put for this

1589
02:22:46,510 --> 02:22:53,110
environmental study $300,000 out of our pocket to have it done on our property.

1590
02:22:53,490 --> 02:22:58,970
I'm not sure how many property owners or business owners would be willing to do that.

1591
02:22:59,590 --> 02:23:07,190
Now, I haven't heard of any other North Pi-Rite property owners have put anybody into

1592
02:23:07,190 --> 02:23:13,370
the kitty to get this done, but I don't think that should stop us.

1593
02:23:14,590 --> 02:23:19,910
I think we can get a lot done for if the city wants to put in three and we put in three.

1594
02:23:20,470 --> 02:23:24,990
I think we get a good study because there's nobody but the property owners that are there

1595
02:23:24,990 --> 02:23:34,710
now are don't want to be something bad. I mean, we're, you know, we got, I don't think

1596
02:23:34,710 --> 02:23:40,770
the property below the superhand fight should be penalized because of what the state let

1597
02:23:40,770 --> 02:23:50,490
happen over the 67 years ago. You know, we're working with the city, we're working with you

1598
02:23:50,490 --> 02:23:57,050
here as far as making sure what we have there and what we can be done there.

1599
02:23:57,830 --> 02:24:03,950
Storing cars is one thing, but if we do an environmental study and we can see

1600
02:24:03,950 --> 02:24:09,910
we could put business part commercial sites or something in there. Hey, we're all

1601
02:24:09,910 --> 02:24:15,350
for it. We're all for it. Let's do that. But let's not penalize the property owners

1602
02:24:15,350 --> 02:24:19,570
of the North Py-Wryt Kansas because of the superman sight up there.

1603
02:24:20,290 --> 02:24:23,490
There's been a rock quarry up there for the last 60, 70 years.

1604
02:24:24,370 --> 02:24:31,390
The auto recycling was given a permit by the county of Riverside in 1952

1605
02:24:32,490 --> 02:24:34,510
for auto recycling there.

1606
02:24:36,790 --> 02:24:42,930
I ran the pickup part operation there from 1988 until when I sold it in

1607
02:24:42,930 --> 02:24:46,110
in the 19th, 2010.

1608
02:24:47,170 --> 02:24:51,370
And basically, we've never had an issue

1609
02:24:51,370 --> 02:24:53,390
environmental-wise with the city.

1610
02:24:54,610 --> 02:24:56,750
It's just we do a good job up there.

1611
02:24:57,330 --> 02:24:59,910
And we just, you know, this is my retirement.

1612
02:25:00,390 --> 02:25:04,270
I've worked a lot of years doing what I've done here

1613
02:25:04,270 --> 02:25:09,530
and I'm sure I'm held on to be penalized at 73 years old.

1614
02:25:09,530 --> 02:25:15,530
So just give us a chance to prove to you guys that we want to be partners.

1615
02:25:15,730 --> 02:25:17,770
We want to be a part of the solution.

1616
02:25:18,270 --> 02:25:19,710
We don't want to fight the city.

1617
02:25:19,710 --> 02:25:24,230
We don't want to fight the citizens of city of the group of allies.

1618
02:25:26,390 --> 02:25:29,450
So that's what we got to go under next first time.

1619
02:25:30,090 --> 02:25:30,690
Thank you very much.

1620
02:25:31,350 --> 02:25:34,290
All right, that is the final public speaker card we have.

1621
02:25:34,490 --> 02:25:37,190
So we'll bring it back here to the dias for comments, questions.

1622
02:25:37,610 --> 02:25:38,170
What do we got?

1623
02:25:38,170 --> 02:25:39,110
Anybody want to start?

1624
02:25:39,630 --> 02:25:40,970
You had a question for Peter, I think.

1625
02:25:41,490 --> 02:25:41,830
I did.

1626
02:25:41,990 --> 02:25:46,730
Peter, can you give us clarification on the issues that Charlie had mentioned about legality?

1627
02:25:46,910 --> 02:25:51,570
We believe that the ordinance as presented is legal and valid.

1628
02:25:52,150 --> 02:25:57,750
We are not picking properties based on whether they are contaminated but whether they are within

1629
02:25:57,750 --> 02:26:03,870
the area and what development there might impact either the other properties that are contaminated

1630
02:26:03,870 --> 02:26:09,210
or the improvements that are required to clean up the String Fellow site.

1631
02:26:09,590 --> 02:26:10,770
Okay, so we're good legally.

1632
02:26:10,910 --> 02:26:11,150
We're good.

1633
02:26:11,510 --> 02:26:18,930
And then one thing I wanted to just clarification on the map on the overhead right now,

1634
02:26:20,880 --> 02:26:30,140
the vacant parcel that would be on the north-east corner of Granite Hill Drive and Pyrite.

1635
02:26:30,720 --> 02:26:34,320
It's not in the blue area, it's right beneath the blue area, small triangle.

1636
02:26:35,280 --> 02:26:41,880
you know which one I'm talking about okay why is that not included it's just

1637
02:26:41,880 --> 02:26:48,820
never been part of the master plan area so any particular reason why not because

1638
02:26:48,820 --> 02:26:53,960
that isn't that where the and penny could tell us penny isn't that where the the

1639
02:26:53,960 --> 02:26:59,580
string fill went right down that area isn't that Jim can you point to that area yeah

1640
02:26:59,580 --> 02:27:02,080
Somebody have a little thingy the

1641
02:27:04,440 --> 02:27:05,940
top right corner

1642
02:27:06,620 --> 02:27:11,520
No down on the bottom between granted right by the freeway off-line. Yeah

1643
02:27:12,480 --> 02:27:13,980
Right there that's fine

1644
02:27:14,920 --> 02:27:16,440
Not that one that

1645
02:27:17,320 --> 02:27:21,680
Because the other side as the gas station and that's already built out. This is vacant

1646
02:27:21,680 --> 02:27:25,820
That's why I'm asking because isn't that where the string fellow came penny you can

1647
02:27:25,820 --> 02:27:26,500
right

1648
02:27:34,440 --> 02:27:34,700
there

1649
02:27:35,780 --> 02:27:43,280
There's not parcels. The state runs below the blue line though. That parcels would you should come to the microphone?

1650
02:27:44,320 --> 02:27:46,060
Jim, you said something about that parcel.

1651
02:27:46,920 --> 02:27:53,520
The parcel I'm pointing to right there is extraction wells and it's all it's part of the string fill a cleanup right there.

1652
02:27:53,740 --> 02:27:55,260
It's all by the state.

1653
02:27:56,280 --> 02:28:02,640
Yeah, but it's not that one I'm talking about. No, I know. Yeah, I'm right there. Exactly. I want to know, um, to me,

1654
02:28:02,640 --> 02:28:05,800
I think that should be included in the area because that is part of the area.

1655
02:28:05,920 --> 02:28:10,760
That's why I was asking Penny to clarify if that was the part of the contaminated area.

1656
02:28:11,040 --> 02:28:17,920
Well, it was at one point, but they've tested all the way up from the site down through the school district.

1657
02:28:18,180 --> 02:28:26,980
I mean, because we demanded it, so we're pretty sure it's clear why I'm not concerned about people being exposed up in there.

1658
02:28:26,980 --> 02:28:49,460
I'm concerned about disrupting the infrastructure that goes down Pyrite, and if that happens, then we have to worry about people being exposed again, because that's critical to that 400-year cleanup is taking, and the property, the legacy property to the east, the none of the plume ever went to the east.

1659
02:28:49,460 --> 02:28:54,580
It's only it goes if you look at the plume, it comes down the canyon, and then follows

1660
02:28:54,580 --> 02:28:57,340
Pyrite Creek more toward the west.

1661
02:28:57,960 --> 02:29:01,240
So their property has never been impacted by String fellow.

1662
02:29:01,840 --> 02:29:01,940
Okay.

1663
02:29:02,860 --> 02:29:03,600
Other questions?

1664
02:29:03,600 --> 02:29:04,020
Thank you, Penny.

1665
02:29:04,620 --> 02:29:05,720
Other questions or comments?

1666
02:29:06,500 --> 02:29:08,860
Are we also – Peter, are we capped at a year?

1667
02:29:10,080 --> 02:29:15,340
Is there – No, I can go for an additional year after that, but you have to have a second

1668
02:29:15,340 --> 02:29:16,960
public hearing at the end of the year.

1669
02:29:17,280 --> 02:29:18,000
One at a time.

1670
02:29:18,000 --> 02:29:31,800
You can do the first 45 days, then you do the next 10 and a half months or whatever, to get to the first full year, and then you can do one more year after that, so you have a max of two full years, 24 months.

1671
02:29:32,120 --> 02:29:41,140
And that's for the environmental analysis and I understand that there's general plan inconsistencies, is that still the case?

1672
02:29:41,140 --> 02:29:45,380
will we look at that during this time, or will we do that afterwards?

1673
02:29:46,020 --> 02:29:47,000
Yeah, a gym, a gym.

1674
02:29:47,720 --> 02:29:52,520
Yeah, yeah, we're just looking right now at just the environmental hazards

1675
02:29:52,980 --> 02:29:57,640
in the canyon, and then that'll help inform us on what we want to do for the landings.

1676
02:29:57,840 --> 02:29:59,740
Okay, so this would happen first.

1677
02:30:00,000 --> 02:30:29,960
After the moratorium, so the moratorium would also be on looking at zoning issues, development issues, we just look at the environmental, and then afterwards we have those conversations. So the moratorium would be allowing us the time to actually figure out what the land use should be, what appropriate development is. And we'll do an analysis as, you know, the hazard area

1678
02:30:29,960 --> 02:30:35,360
is identify the hazard areas, how bad they are, can they be mitigated, can they not, are they

1679
02:30:35,360 --> 02:30:40,940
suitable for development at all? Are they, you know, partially suitable, or completely suitable,

1680
02:30:41,060 --> 02:30:44,820
and kind of gives you all the information you need to make good land use decisions?

1681
02:30:45,380 --> 02:30:51,480
Okay, and a few months ago, we talked about bringing back more information and potentially

1682
02:30:52,080 --> 02:30:57,940
initiating a study in that area. How is that related to this, or are those separate paths,

1683
02:30:57,940 --> 02:30:58,700
Is that connected?

1684
02:30:59,120 --> 02:31:04,960
It's related to it, it'll be the, what the more time is doing is allowing us time to

1685
02:31:04,960 --> 02:31:05,900
get that study done.

1686
02:31:06,300 --> 02:31:06,360
Okay.

1687
02:31:07,060 --> 02:31:14,100
So we will be coming back to you very soon and next month with a draft RFP that we're

1688
02:31:14,100 --> 02:31:19,420
going to go out to different consulting groups to do this kind of analysis for your approval.

1689
02:31:22,540 --> 02:31:22,860
Is that good?

1690
02:31:23,360 --> 02:31:23,480
Yeah.

1691
02:31:23,600 --> 02:31:24,820
I think I'm going to ask my question, right?

1692
02:31:24,980 --> 02:31:29,300
So the call months ago we approved the funding to go forward, so the RFP has to be one of

1693
02:31:29,300 --> 02:31:30,180
questions that is great.

1694
02:31:32,440 --> 02:31:35,640
The moratorium for those folks that are listening, watching

1695
02:31:35,640 --> 02:31:40,800
and still here, and catches you, you clear that out very, very concisely. It's to allow,

1696
02:31:41,100 --> 02:31:46,520
it basically stops all current applications and future applications from moving forward

1697
02:31:46,520 --> 02:31:51,200
in the planning process. It's a legal mechanism because, you know, Brian alluded to earlier

1698
02:31:51,200 --> 02:31:54,900
on the other project. Developers, applicants, landowners, landowners,

1699
02:31:54,900 --> 02:31:59,340
to be you or me or a big developer. By law, we're allowed to apply for things we want.

1700
02:31:59,660 --> 02:32:04,920
Does it mean the council will approve it? But this allows a mechanism to freeze all that

1701
02:32:04,920 --> 02:32:11,180
until we understand everything. And it was part of the process after we approved the funding of

1702
02:32:11,180 --> 02:32:17,520
the EIR, so we can know what, if anything, it's safe to be built anywhere in that area.

1703
02:32:18,580 --> 02:32:20,380
Other than that, I'm fully supportive of this.

1704
02:32:20,380 --> 02:32:41,820
All right, and I just wanted for my own clarification, for your clarification of my opinion, as I've preached a Jewish preacher, as I've preached to you so many times, this is 100% has to do with what is safe for people who are going to work there, live there,

1705
02:32:41,820 --> 02:32:47,800
transit, you know, walk around the area, is it safe for them? And we still just don't know.

1706
02:32:48,100 --> 02:32:55,260
So this new environmental report will answer those questions, they'll do samples and testing on the various

1707
02:32:55,260 --> 02:33:01,960
parcels so that we, when it comes back to us, will be satisfied and comfortable to say yes,

1708
02:33:02,140 --> 02:33:06,760
you can build this particular thing, or that particular thing, or nothing at all.

1709
02:33:06,760 --> 02:33:35,900
We don't, we still don't know if that's going to be an option, and I, I would hate just to have somebody bring something to us and we approve it, and then we find out later that, oh my God, we never should have done that, this is the worst thing in the world, so we are taking the time, even at the unfortunate cost to the developers or property owners who own these parcels, they're going to have to wait until we have the information, and then we can come up with a great plan

1710
02:33:35,900 --> 02:33:42,840
that will get everybody, you know, in order to do what they want to do, and we'll have a really great area up there.

1711
02:33:42,980 --> 02:33:48,780
But it is going to take time for the environmental, and of course, we're going to push staff to try to get that expedited.

1712
02:33:48,880 --> 02:33:57,400
I know it takes a long time, but I think staff can still have a little bit of influence on the consultants doing it to try to keep things moving along for us.

1713
02:33:58,460 --> 02:34:03,820
And once we get results, the moratorium, in my opinion, will be over.

1714
02:34:03,820 --> 02:34:11,180
And we will be working with all the property owners so that something can be designed that makes sense for the area.

1715
02:34:11,780 --> 02:34:12,780
So with that-

1716
02:34:12,780 --> 02:34:20,160
Mr. Mayor, just one thing is to follow up to what I said earlier, and not only are we looking at the safety of people who may work there,

1717
02:34:20,560 --> 02:34:27,160
but we're looking at what the impacts are of any development upon all of the infrastructure to clean up the strength yellow side.

1718
02:34:27,460 --> 02:34:28,620
It's an important issue.

1719
02:34:28,860 --> 02:34:30,540
Thank you for also clarifying that.

1720
02:34:31,380 --> 02:34:36,820
Do we have a motion to approve staff recommendation to initiate the moratorium?

1721
02:34:37,000 --> 02:34:37,560
Move to approve.

1722
02:34:37,900 --> 02:34:38,500
Do we have a second?

1723
02:34:39,360 --> 02:34:40,280
Okay, all in favor?

1724
02:34:40,620 --> 02:34:40,860
Aye.

1725
02:34:41,320 --> 02:34:41,820
Opposed?

1726
02:34:42,260 --> 02:34:46,420
That moratorium does pass 5-0, unanimous, so that is now intact.

1727
02:34:46,920 --> 02:34:47,240
Thank you.

1728
02:34:47,920 --> 02:34:58,880
And we will move to item 16-B, approval of resolution concerning mass federal agents impersonate

1729
02:34:58,880 --> 02:35:05,460
in impersonation crimes and resident protection, City Attorney Peter Thorson is going to present to us.

1730
02:35:05,960 --> 02:35:12,920
Yes, Mr. Mayor and members of the City Council at the November 4, 2025 Council meeting.

1731
02:35:13,560 --> 02:35:19,580
The City Council at the request of Council Member Carmona asked the staff to bring forward a resolution

1732
02:35:19,580 --> 02:35:26,200
requesting that all federal law enforcement officers refrain from wearing mask and conducting operations

1733
02:35:26,200 --> 02:35:30,200
in Herupa Valley, and to use properly identified vehicles.

1734
02:35:31,080 --> 02:35:38,440
The resolution before you includes a lot of the concerns expressed by Councilmember

1735
02:35:38,440 --> 02:35:39,120
Carmona.

1736
02:35:39,580 --> 02:35:43,020
I have to give him credit that he wrote most of it.

1737
02:35:43,360 --> 02:35:46,080
I put it into the City of Herupa format.

1738
02:35:46,600 --> 02:35:52,400
It is a statement of principles relating to protection of the community and

1739
02:35:52,400 --> 02:36:00,740
I wanted to demand for federal law enforcement officers to be transparent and to allow people to know what's going on.

1740
02:36:01,680 --> 02:36:12,400
It also raises a number of issues relating to confusion and the impacts on residents of the group of alley and crimes that were committed as a part of them.

1741
02:36:13,000 --> 02:36:22,300
So I don't mean to pass the buck, but I know councilmember Carmona has a lot of thoughts on this and so I'll let him move forward with explaining his

1742
02:36:22,300 --> 02:36:23,340
Is views on this?

1743
02:36:24,220 --> 02:36:25,940
Yeah, should we go ahead?

1744
02:36:26,360 --> 02:36:26,520
Cool.

1745
02:36:27,300 --> 02:36:27,900
Yeah.

1746
02:36:28,040 --> 02:36:28,480
Thank you, Peter.

1747
02:36:28,760 --> 02:36:30,300
And thank you, Council.

1748
02:36:32,000 --> 02:36:35,680
Last October, here in Sky Country,

1749
02:36:36,140 --> 02:36:39,520
there was a group of masked armed individuals

1750
02:36:40,060 --> 02:36:41,820
that showed up at someone's home,

1751
02:36:42,020 --> 02:36:43,060
one of our neighbor's home,

1752
02:36:43,600 --> 02:36:49,490
knocked on their door and entered their home,

1753
02:36:50,110 --> 02:36:52,550
claiming that they had a warrant.

1754
02:36:53,730 --> 02:36:56,010
Looking for someone that was living there.

1755
02:36:56,470 --> 02:37:03,850
These individuals entered their home, they zip tied the family, several adults, kids, and

1756
02:37:03,850 --> 02:37:08,310
an elder and they spent hours robbing and ransacking their home.

1757
02:37:09,030 --> 02:37:11,130
These individuals all had their faces covered.

1758
02:37:11,510 --> 02:37:19,390
They looked exactly like the masked federal agents that were seeing across the country terrorizing our communities.

1759
02:37:19,390 --> 02:37:28,430
They looked exactly like the federal agents who shot and killed the U.S. citizen in Minnesota, just a few weeks ago, running good.

1760
02:37:29,090 --> 02:37:35,930
And they also looked exactly like those who shot at a vehicle to U.S. citizens here in Ontario.

1761
02:37:36,590 --> 02:37:41,970
Here in San Bernardino, this passed October around the same time.

1762
02:37:43,690 --> 02:37:58,330
We're in a moment where we can no longer tell the difference between the mass criminals who are robbing and kidnapping our communities, and these mass agents who are equally terrorizing and kidnapping members of our community.

1763
02:37:58,890 --> 02:38:08,910
The federal government is trying to bring chaos here to our communities, and I think this resolution sends a strong message that we're not going to stand for that.

1764
02:38:08,910 --> 02:38:12,730
And we're not going to just stand around watching.

1765
02:38:13,150 --> 02:38:29,590
We want to send a message to our community that it's necessary to defend ourselves, to inform ourselves, to know our rights, and to work with our local agencies, a local sheriff department to really clear the difference.

1766
02:38:29,590 --> 02:38:36,910
who are the criminals, who are not, unfortunately, these tactics that are coming top-down are

1767
02:38:36,910 --> 02:38:46,370
blurring the lines between who the criminals are and who the agents are, because at the

1768
02:38:46,370 --> 02:38:51,990
end of the day, they're not acting as law enforcement, they're terrorizing our communities.

1769
02:38:52,510 --> 02:38:57,970
They've picked up, illegally picked up, U.S. citizens, and I hope we can hear from members

1770
02:38:57,970 --> 02:39:26,270
of our community today, this resolution also directs and requests that all government agencies that do work in the city of Rupa Valley, including our sheriff's department to report any to the city, any incidents they see of mass individuals or armed mass individuals roaming the city that are including but not limited to federal agents, it also restricts the use of city property.

1771
02:39:26,270 --> 02:39:35,650
for federal law enforcement staging where there's city-owned lots of offices or any of our resources.

1772
02:39:37,210 --> 02:39:40,190
And so, thank you all for your support of this.

1773
02:39:40,350 --> 02:39:44,730
I think this is something that everyone expressed support.

1774
02:39:45,310 --> 02:39:55,590
Shortly after that incident that we saw here in Skycountry, even the FBI has issued statements,

1775
02:39:55,590 --> 02:39:59,570
and several statements saying that it's not a good idea

1776
02:39:59,570 --> 02:40:04,110
or federal agents to lock out their faces

1777
02:40:04,110 --> 02:40:05,390
and not identify themselves.

1778
02:40:05,630 --> 02:40:08,170
This is about how do we keep our community safe?

1779
02:40:10,710 --> 02:40:14,370
And so I'm looking forward to hearing from our community

1780
02:40:14,370 --> 02:40:16,690
and putting this into action.

1781
02:40:16,910 --> 02:40:17,150
Thank you.

1782
02:40:17,990 --> 02:40:18,910
All right, very good.

1783
02:40:19,890 --> 02:40:22,270
Any other comments?

1784
02:40:24,520 --> 02:40:24,900
That's fine.

1785
02:40:24,900 --> 02:40:25,940
And we

1786
02:40:28,440 --> 02:40:31,060
do have quite a number of speakers, so we'll get going.

1787
02:40:34,540 --> 02:40:37,940
Julio, yeah, I do need help, I can't tell if that's a W or an M.

1788
02:40:38,660 --> 02:40:39,140
Monacoin?

1789
02:40:40,120 --> 02:40:40,580
Monacoin?

1790
02:40:40,900 --> 02:40:40,960
Left?

1791
02:40:41,620 --> 02:40:41,920
Okay.

1792
02:40:42,300 --> 02:40:42,660
How about,

1793
02:40:44,960 --> 02:40:48,040
I do, I already said that tonight.

1794
02:40:50,780 --> 02:40:51,740
Joaquin Castellos?

1795
02:40:57,660 --> 02:40:58,160
What's that?

1796
02:40:58,540 --> 02:41:00,880
I didn't want to say that.

1797
02:41:00,900 --> 02:41:01,100
Good.

1798
02:41:01,100 --> 02:41:03,060
but evening again, once again,

1799
02:41:03,380 --> 02:41:06,160
Parking Castellero, some representing CCJ,

1800
02:41:06,880 --> 02:41:09,020
here in support of this resolution.

1801
02:41:10,200 --> 02:41:12,980
It's very brave for the city to put something forth

1802
02:41:12,980 --> 02:41:15,660
like this and important for our region to show

1803
02:41:15,660 --> 02:41:18,200
that we care about our communities

1804
02:41:18,200 --> 02:41:20,260
and we're protecting those that are most vulnerable.

1805
02:41:21,060 --> 02:41:25,320
We're living in times where people fear to leave their homes

1806
02:41:25,860 --> 02:41:30,420
in the case of a R and Mast person attacking them,

1807
02:41:30,420 --> 02:41:36,740
taking them away, kidnapping them, and we need to send that clear message that our cities,

1808
02:41:36,900 --> 02:41:41,700
our local governments, stand with the community and our here to protect and serve them.

1809
02:41:43,260 --> 02:41:51,800
And I urge the City Council to approve this resolution to make sure that this is put into action

1810
02:41:51,800 --> 02:41:58,180
and that our communities know that we are representing them, we are fighting for them, and we are

1811
02:41:58,180 --> 02:42:03,120
doing something to make sure that they feel safe at least something you know there's not a lot

1812
02:42:03,120 --> 02:42:09,120
that can be done but this is a very important step and an example to other cities in our region

1813
02:42:09,120 --> 02:42:15,680
to do the same so I urge you to pass this resolution and you know take this important step to protect

1814
02:42:15,680 --> 02:42:22,280
our communities and you know do it with bravery and you know we're all here to support you thank you

1815
02:42:22,280 --> 02:42:26,240
All right, thank you and next is Penny Newman.

1816
02:42:26,840 --> 02:42:26,940
So

1817
02:42:36,350 --> 02:42:41,530
happy that this is being addressed and thank you Armando for putting it forward.

1818
02:42:42,380 --> 02:42:49,730
I think we've seen the terror that is being created across the country from this operation.

1819
02:42:50,450 --> 02:42:57,950
I wish it could go a little further where we ask that our local law enforcement or sheriff's

1820
02:42:57,950 --> 02:43:06,430
department step in when we see federal agents illegally kidnapping people going door-to-door

1821
02:43:06,430 --> 02:43:12,790
without their warts. I wish we could get some way of making the Sheriff Department protect

1822
02:43:13,160 --> 02:43:19,470
our residents, which is their job. But this is a good first step and I really commend you

1823
02:43:19,470 --> 02:43:26,310
for it and I totally support the idea. I think that one of the reasons this is becoming acceptable

1824
02:43:26,310 --> 02:43:30,030
in many areas is because we've created the vision of other.

1825
02:43:30,790 --> 02:43:33,370
It's okay to do it for them because they're illegal,

1826
02:43:33,890 --> 02:43:37,890
or it's okay to do it to them because they're professional protesters.

1827
02:43:38,610 --> 02:43:43,710
So I think it's really upon all of us to watch our language

1828
02:43:43,710 --> 02:43:49,130
when we talk about issues that we not refer to people as lying,

1829
02:43:49,850 --> 02:43:54,310
that we not refer to people as bad people because they have a differing opinion

1830
02:43:54,310 --> 02:43:56,990
that it's got to start with us.

1831
02:43:57,210 --> 02:44:00,990
We need to be more gentle, more forgiving on all sides.

1832
02:44:01,470 --> 02:44:01,730
Thanks.

1833
02:44:02,290 --> 02:44:03,270
All right, thank you.

1834
02:44:03,410 --> 02:44:04,810
Next is AJ Joven.

1835
02:44:06,710 --> 02:44:10,950
Okay, all right, and next see, Alejandro Ponce de Leon.

1836
02:44:15,840 --> 02:44:17,920
Okay, I know it's late.

1837
02:44:20,780 --> 02:44:21,780
Angel Borado,

1838
02:44:24,770 --> 02:44:26,530
yes, okay, we got one.

1839
02:44:27,170 --> 02:44:28,610
Welcome, come on up.

1840
02:44:32,820 --> 02:44:38,540
Hi, I'm Angel Fajardo, the executive director for the Inland Empire Immigrant Youth Collective.

1841
02:44:39,340 --> 02:44:43,740
We're currently running our mentorship program at Patriot High School, at your Pervali

1842
02:44:43,740 --> 02:44:48,320
High School, and at Rubido High School, so we're pretty present in the area right now, and

1843
02:44:49,500 --> 02:44:56,120
we just really wanted to relay that we've already received this from the students have expressed

1844
02:44:56,120 --> 02:44:59,740
fear on their day-to-day because of the mask.

1845
02:45:02,560 --> 02:45:29,980
It's really heartbreaking, they've expressed how they're afraid to do their daily basis routines. And so I think we're just kind of here to, in support of their voice, right? Because it's also a school night. It's really late. We did try to get some of them here. All that was in factor. But yeah, we just really want it. Once you all to be behind this resolution,

1846
02:45:30,920 --> 02:45:37,540
As it was mentioned, I think it'd be really showing to them that where the City Council is, right?

1847
02:45:37,760 --> 02:45:44,960
If they're in support of their families of them, that they all are doing what you can to make them feel protected.

1848
02:45:45,900 --> 02:45:46,940
That's all I want to admit.

1849
02:45:47,140 --> 02:45:47,740
Thank you.

1850
02:45:48,680 --> 02:45:49,240
All right.

1851
02:45:55,030 --> 02:45:55,270
Okay.

1852
02:45:55,470 --> 02:45:58,310
Next is Hector Arraya.

1853
02:46:07,830 --> 02:46:09,810
Good evening, City Council and City staff.

1854
02:46:10,110 --> 02:46:11,050
My name is Hector Pareda.

1855
02:46:11,050 --> 02:46:14,090
I'm the political manager for the Atlantic Coalition for American Justice.

1856
02:46:14,890 --> 02:46:18,110
Here in strong support of the resolution that the city is going to pass.

1857
02:46:19,010 --> 02:46:25,330
Federal agents are wearing masks just for one reason, and that's to act with complete disregard for

1858
02:46:25,330 --> 02:46:31,210
the law as they brutalize their community members and as they violate their rights routinely.

1859
02:46:31,930 --> 02:46:34,850
And so we applaud the city for taking this important first step.

1860
02:46:34,850 --> 02:46:45,210
And sending a clear message that Huropa Valley is not going to be a partner in this administration's actions of illegality and violence towards our community members.

1861
02:46:45,890 --> 02:46:49,010
And so we strongly urge you to vote in favor of this resolution.

1862
02:46:49,390 --> 02:46:49,670
Thank you.

1863
02:46:52,300 --> 02:46:54,200
All right, next is Eddie Torres.

1864
02:46:55,040 --> 02:46:55,200
Eddie?

1865
02:47:03,880 --> 02:47:04,880
Good evening, City Council.

1866
02:47:05,280 --> 02:47:09,720
My name is Eddie Torres, I'm the policy director with the Yale and Coalition for American Justice.

1867
02:47:10,280 --> 02:47:21,120
back in 2018, I started covering City Council meetings here for now Senator Sorrentes so it's a bit of a flashback to be here with some old faces and some new faces, so it's really nice to be back in the city.

1868
02:47:21,800 --> 02:47:29,460
My mom has worked in Hyper Valley for the last 20 years or so, the best work that driver in all of this city and a warehouse down at a one down Philadelphia.

1869
02:47:30,820 --> 02:47:36,000
So I'm here in obvious strong support for this resolution, 2026-09.

1870
02:47:36,000 --> 02:47:44,360
It has never been the time to sit idly by while your neighbors disappear quietly one by one.

1871
02:47:44,900 --> 02:47:50,480
It is always the time to act bravery, to act with bravery and boldness, to take actions

1872
02:47:50,480 --> 02:47:52,200
to protect our immigrant community.

1873
02:47:53,480 --> 02:47:58,800
This resolution takes the significant step in doing so by addressing the mass agents that

1874
02:47:58,800 --> 02:48:04,140
are terrorizing our communities and by curtailing their ability to stage and plan the abduction

1875
02:48:04,140 --> 02:48:05,680
of your constituents.

1876
02:48:06,620 --> 02:48:12,840
I, Skidna, two people just this past Sunday of Van Buren and this is the same route that

1877
02:48:12,840 --> 02:48:18,040
my mom takes every single day to work and every day that passes and not using the resources

1878
02:48:18,040 --> 02:48:24,120
that the city has, leaves a significant portion of your residents vulnerable to disappearances.

1879
02:48:24,800 --> 02:48:30,660
So I ask that you all vote in favor of this resolution and create a buffer between Terror and

1880
02:48:30,660 --> 02:48:31,820
in the city of Harupa Valley.

1881
02:48:32,540 --> 02:48:34,060
And I hope that this is just the beginning

1882
02:48:34,430 --> 02:48:36,540
of your advocacy for the immigrant community

1883
02:48:36,540 --> 02:48:37,680
in Harupa Valley.

1884
02:48:37,920 --> 02:48:41,140
There was a strong, vibrant immigrant community, right?

1885
02:48:41,680 --> 02:48:44,040
The question community has large, large roots

1886
02:48:44,040 --> 02:48:46,140
in the Chicano and the Mexican-American community.

1887
02:48:46,700 --> 02:48:49,260
And I think it makes Harupa Valley what it is, right?

1888
02:48:49,560 --> 02:48:51,320
There's also a large population here

1889
02:48:51,320 --> 02:48:55,700
that loves to, street vent to become entrepreneurs.

1890
02:48:56,480 --> 02:48:57,860
And there's so much that we can be doing

1891
02:48:57,860 --> 02:48:58,940
for that community as well.

1892
02:48:58,940 --> 02:49:14,600
So I implore you all to continue this great resolution and the work that we're starting today, but also think about creative ways to support the entrepreneurship spirit of our immigrant community and help them along the way to get out of the shadows because it's been so hard economically for them to

1893
02:49:15,060 --> 02:49:16,540
then and be out in the community.

1894
02:49:16,700 --> 02:49:22,480
It's time to create some steps for them in order to step out of the darkness and really, really support their families.

1895
02:49:22,920 --> 02:49:23,140
Thank you.

1896
02:49:23,560 --> 02:49:23,880
Thank you.

1897
02:49:23,880 --> 02:49:23,940
Thank you.

1898
02:49:24,240 --> 02:49:24,480
All right.

1899
02:49:25,160 --> 02:49:26,360
Elsa Hernandez.

1900
02:49:27,140 --> 02:49:27,280
Hello

1901
02:49:44,720 --> 02:49:45,720
and good evening everyone.

1902
02:49:46,700 --> 02:49:48,060
My name is Elsa Hernandez.

1903
02:49:49,220 --> 02:49:54,500
I am here representing the NLN Coalition for American Justice in support of the Resolution

1904
02:49:55,440 --> 02:49:56,560
2026-09.

1905
02:49:58,420 --> 02:50:03,940
I coordinated community, community hotline for community members to report ice sightings,

1906
02:50:04,400 --> 02:50:09,560
ice arrest, and we provide support and resources to those affected by this actions.

1907
02:50:09,560 --> 02:50:16,000
Through this work, I received calls from families who are afraid to leave their homes.

1908
02:50:16,800 --> 02:50:21,740
Many are living in fear due to mask agents abducting people without identifying themselves.

1909
02:50:23,000 --> 02:50:27,220
Immigrant families should not have to live in fear. They should not be afraid to go to work,

1910
02:50:27,640 --> 02:50:30,260
take their children to school, or go to the grocery store.

1911
02:50:31,260 --> 02:50:37,320
Family should be able to live their lives in peace, and no one should have to leave their home

1912
02:50:37,320 --> 02:50:39,280
I'm wondering about their loved ones being taken

1913
02:50:39,700 --> 02:50:42,120
or wondering if they will return home to their families.

1914
02:50:43,280 --> 02:50:45,580
This is why I strongly support your repavali

1915
02:50:45,580 --> 02:50:47,580
and respectfully ask you to vote in favor

1916
02:50:47,580 --> 02:50:49,740
of Resolution 2026-09.

1917
02:50:54,480 --> 02:50:55,440
Thank you so much.

1918
02:50:55,720 --> 02:50:57,100
Next speaker, Veronica Roman.

1919
02:51:14,780 --> 02:51:16,480
Buenas noches a cada uno de ustedes.

1920
02:51:16,960 --> 02:51:18,200
Mi nombre es Veronica Roman.

1921
02:51:19,480 --> 02:51:20,860
Good evening to all of you.

1922
02:51:21,040 --> 02:51:22,220
My name is Veronica Roman.

1923
02:51:28,700 --> 02:51:34,000
I am speaking on behalf of the UN Coalition for Immigrant Justice and on behalf of the

1924
02:51:34,000 --> 02:51:35,240
residents of Group of Alley.

1925
02:51:36,240 --> 02:51:41,040
I am here to express my firm support for Resolution 2026-09.

1926
02:51:41,040 --> 02:51:48,080
I am here to express my firm support for Resolution 2026-09.

1927
02:51:57,560 --> 02:52:07,020
Today, a lot of families fear going outside, walking the streets, they fear going out to shop, and they fear going to work, including their kids going to school.

1928
02:52:07,860 --> 02:52:16,640
There is a constant fear of being deported and being treated with violence.

1929
02:52:22,420 --> 02:52:26,620
This is not an abstract fear, this is a stark reality for many families.

1930
02:52:32,680 --> 02:52:37,100
Grupa Valley will not be complicit in the mass deportation actions of President Trump.

1931
02:52:37,100 --> 02:52:43,020
Las familias no están viviendo en paz, están sufriendo de estrés, ansiedad y miedo constante.

1932
02:52:43,900 --> 02:52:48,320
Families are not living in peace, they are constantly suffering with anxiety and fear.

1933
02:52:49,160 --> 02:52:54,860
Los niños sienten esa inseguridad, lo que afecta subienestar, su educación y su salud

1934
02:52:54,860 --> 02:52:55,440
emocional.

1935
02:52:56,100 --> 02:53:00,940
And the children feel that insecurity, they are affecting, it's affecting their health, their

1936
02:53:00,940 --> 02:53:02,800
education and their emotional health.

1937
02:53:08,540 --> 02:53:12,300
Nobody should be living in fear for simply trying to live their daily life.

1938
02:53:12,920 --> 02:53:21,960
A community that feels safe is a community that is stronger and united.

1939
02:53:27,580 --> 02:53:32,780
I ask you all respectfully to support and vote in favor of Resolution 2027.

1940
02:53:32,780 --> 02:53:34,120
six, that's zero nine, thank you.

1941
02:53:34,140 --> 02:53:34,460
Thank you.

1942
02:53:34,940 --> 02:53:35,420
Thank you.

1943
02:53:37,490 --> 02:53:40,350
Leck, the next speaker is Lewis and Noesco.

1944
02:53:50,930 --> 02:53:55,130
It's all good evening, but time is a 10.

1945
02:53:55,590 --> 02:53:56,450
Also passed my bad time.

1946
02:53:56,610 --> 02:53:57,610
My name is Lee's Noesco.

1947
02:53:57,930 --> 02:53:59,890
I'm a senior policy advocate and organizer

1948
02:53:59,890 --> 02:54:01,910
with the American Civil Liberties Union.

1949
02:54:02,570 --> 02:54:04,630
I'm selling California here in the LN Empire.

1950
02:54:05,910 --> 02:54:08,950
I mean, all of what I was planning to say has already been said

1951
02:54:08,950 --> 02:54:12,910
by my colleagues at ICIJ just really strongly urge you

1952
02:54:12,910 --> 02:54:20,770
to pass this resolution not only for the message that is sent to the citizens and the residents of Trurope Valley, but

1953
02:54:20,770 --> 02:54:28,210
more so that we're not using any resources, right, from our cities and our localities to do what the Federal Government is doing.

1954
02:54:28,770 --> 02:54:34,590
We have seen what these mass agents have done in Minnesota, taken lives, and we don't want to see that same thing happen here.

1955
02:54:34,810 --> 02:54:42,410
And we should, by no means, spend our well-earned taxes and resources that we have here,

1956
02:54:42,410 --> 02:54:45,550
here in the Olin Empire to assist these type of operations.

1957
02:54:45,950 --> 02:54:49,090
So with that, we are used to strongly support this resolution.

1958
02:54:49,390 --> 02:54:49,630
Thank you.

1959
02:54:49,970 --> 02:54:50,630
Thank you.

1960
02:54:51,430 --> 02:54:52,350
Martha Rivera.

1961
02:54:54,050 --> 02:54:54,710
Martha?

1962
02:54:56,020 --> 02:54:56,350
Dawn?

1963
02:54:56,810 --> 02:54:57,030
Okay.

1964
02:54:58,510 --> 02:55:01,610
Let's see, Daniela Ramos, Rodriguez.

1965
02:55:11,890 --> 02:55:18,270
Good evening, my name is Daniela Ramos, and I am the youth organizer for the inlin Empire Immigrant Youth Collective.

1966
02:55:18,270 --> 02:55:24,050
or organization helps undocumented students gain professional development, community, and advocacy skills.

1967
02:55:24,530 --> 02:55:31,090
I am here to urge you to pass resolution number 2026-09, putting a stop to mass agents.

1968
02:55:31,830 --> 02:55:34,750
Immigrant families have been in herpavali for years, decades.

1969
02:55:35,470 --> 02:55:38,050
It's their home. They don't deserve to live in fear.

1970
02:55:38,670 --> 02:55:44,110
Many of the immigration enforcement in this city and all of the inland empire has been unlawful and violent.

1971
02:55:44,110 --> 02:55:47,950
People are scared, parents are scared, the youth is scared.

1972
02:55:48,450 --> 02:55:54,010
I work with undocumented students and youth from mixed status families, daily including here and her group of alley.

1973
02:55:54,790 --> 02:55:56,890
The need to protect undocumented students is there.

1974
02:55:57,650 --> 02:56:02,810
We do what we can as a community to make students feel safe, comfortable, and important.

1975
02:56:03,190 --> 02:56:09,330
But it's up to you as City Council to uphold and vote on resolutions that allow the youth to feel protected.

1976
02:56:09,330 --> 02:56:16,910
This fear leads to a lower enrollment in schools causing lower levels of funding that impact the entire student body.

1977
02:56:17,510 --> 02:56:23,630
It's also impacting undocumented students' ability to work towards a better future for them and their family.

1978
02:56:24,270 --> 02:56:27,950
Do we really want the youth to carry such a burden when you have the power to help?

1979
02:56:28,530 --> 02:56:38,570
Another important factor is the heavy work that educators, school counselors and allies are facing as first responders to the emotional trauma and distress that students are experiencing.

1980
02:56:38,570 --> 02:56:43,790
the city must do everything it can to reassure and protect its residents.

1981
02:56:44,330 --> 02:56:49,270
Passing resolution 2026-09 is a step in the right direction.

1982
02:56:50,550 --> 02:56:51,670
Thank you very much.

1983
02:56:52,390 --> 02:56:54,270
Next speaker, Yeni Ruiz.

1984
02:57:14,620 --> 02:57:15,440
Hola, buenas noches.

1985
02:57:15,540 --> 02:57:16,520
Mi nombre es Yeni Ruiz.

1986
02:57:17,120 --> 02:57:17,700
Hi, good evening.

1987
02:57:17,840 --> 02:57:18,820
My name is Yeni Ruiz.

1988
02:57:20,000 --> 02:57:22,940
Me da gusto verlos juntos y conocerle a su persona.

1989
02:57:23,580 --> 02:57:26,120
It's my pleasure to see you all together to meet your own person.

1990
02:57:30,000 --> 02:57:39,740
I've been a resident of Whopper Valley for the past seven years and I've been witness

1991
02:57:39,740 --> 02:57:42,000
to the large growth of the city for the last seven years.

1992
02:57:47,060 --> 02:57:50,880
I'm here to ask you to support Resolution 2026-09.

1993
02:57:52,120 --> 02:58:01,040
In my perspective, this will help reduce the abuse of authority, because it is

1994
02:58:01,040 --> 02:58:06,720
evidently identified by the agents, which, for me, would reduce the death and uncertainty.

1995
02:58:07,440 --> 02:58:13,520
From my perspective, this resolution would provide a buffered dilution of the terror and

1996
02:58:13,520 --> 02:58:16,120
the anxiety that families have to go through.

1997
02:58:23,720 --> 02:58:29,800
I am a small business owner and I work in food festivals and I work in the food industry.

1998
02:58:39,590 --> 02:58:45,250
The problems that we're seeing across the country have impacted our customers and the

1999
02:58:45,250 --> 02:58:47,570
vendors as well.

2000
02:58:55,570 --> 02:59:02,410
This is not only affected my wages, but it has affected the local economy as well.

2001
02:59:14,780 --> 02:59:17,940
This is not only affected my wages, but it has affected the local economy as well.

2002
02:59:18,820 --> 02:59:24,340
I want to ask you all to support this resolution, and to remind you that big things could be accomplished when we were united.

2003
02:59:27,620 --> 02:59:30,080
Please approve resolution 26 or 9.

2004
02:59:30,560 --> 02:59:30,960
Thank you.

2005
02:59:35,180 --> 02:59:36,120
Okay, thank you.

2006
02:59:36,260 --> 02:59:38,520
That is the wrap up of the public speakers.

2007
02:59:38,720 --> 02:59:42,960
Now, I'm going to call one other person up to give us some clarity.

2008
02:59:43,580 --> 02:59:50,840
And that would, if you wouldn't mind, Lieutenant Sholda, would you come up here and I'll put you on the spot for a minute.

2009
02:59:51,660 --> 02:59:52,920
Here's why.

2010
02:59:53,860 --> 02:59:59,960
When we had previous, when the mast fell.

2011
03:00:00,000 --> 03:00:29,740
Folks first showed up. We had several issues or incidents, a couple of them at least. And I immediately reached out to our lieutenant to ask him what their process was in order to validate that they are actually officers of the law doing their job rather than impersonating, you know, criminals impersonating officers. So can you give us a little bit of perspective, if you wouldn't mind, on how the Sheriff's Department is working to protect

2012
03:00:32,140 --> 03:00:42,320
In any instance, where there are masked individuals, what is the process that you're using to ensure they are legitimate?

2013
03:00:43,120 --> 03:00:52,260
So, when we do know about it, of course, this for full transparency, we do not know about when they come into town, what town they're going to.

2014
03:00:52,260 --> 03:00:58,980
do. We hear about it through social media and or a call comes in for service through

2015
03:00:58,980 --> 03:01:05,980
Dispatch 911. Then we show up, we respond, we identify, we make sure there are actual

2016
03:01:05,980 --> 03:01:12,820
ICE agents and they're there for a law for reason. And then we stay there until the scene

2017
03:01:12,820 --> 03:01:16,580
is cleared. We do not participate and we're done.

2018
03:01:17,520 --> 03:01:35,160
So, what would your recommendation be if a resident is either seized an incident or as Armando had made a comment about somebody, you know, potentially breaking into somebody's house saying they have a warrant, you know, something like that?

2019
03:01:35,260 --> 03:01:41,980
What should a resident do when they are in uncertain about who is approaching them?

2020
03:01:42,720 --> 03:01:48,540
I would definitely call that one immediately, do not hesitate.

2021
03:01:49,710 --> 03:01:54,040
So the bottom line that I wanted to try to point out is our sheriff's department and

2022
03:01:54,040 --> 03:01:54,480
the city.

2023
03:01:54,880 --> 03:02:00,580
We're working hand in hand for our residents here, not for the federal government, and

2024
03:02:00,580 --> 03:02:07,760
we together will do what we can to ensure the safety and legitimacy of those who are here

2025
03:02:07,760 --> 03:02:23,740
we're reporting that they are enforcing federal law, but we certainly are not going to let anybody run ramped or create illegal scenarios to expedite fear, which is what we're trying to prevent.

2026
03:02:24,280 --> 03:02:27,060
So I thank you, if you want to add anything else you could.

2027
03:02:29,220 --> 03:02:34,580
We're not going to act on any in concert with the federal government when we go to serve

2028
03:02:34,580 --> 03:02:39,500
search warrants in the community, there are search warrants, there are not federal government

2029
03:02:39,500 --> 03:02:45,460
search warrants, we're not going to go there for immigration purposes, vehicle stops,

2030
03:02:45,720 --> 03:02:48,520
it doesn't matter, but at pet checks, it doesn't matter.

2031
03:02:49,520 --> 03:02:56,850
Your status as a citizen doesn't matter, whether or not you committed a crime.

2032
03:03:01,000 --> 03:03:02,320
And we appreciate that.

2033
03:03:02,600 --> 03:03:08,300
So I think that was something I wanted the public to hear because our Sheriff's Department

2034
03:03:08,300 --> 03:03:11,260
is not working with the federal government nor are we.

2035
03:03:11,720 --> 03:03:17,600
I think this particular ordinance that is being asked to be approved has an additional

2036
03:03:17,600 --> 03:03:23,720
point that I find interesting that I completely get behind the support and that is that we are

2037
03:03:23,720 --> 03:03:28,720
saying that we are not giving permission to the federal government to use city property

2038
03:03:28,720 --> 03:03:35,420
a staging areas or to utilize it in any other way, and that, to me, is a big thing.

2039
03:03:35,840 --> 03:03:41,840
Because I think, for most of us, we've heard the federal government very clearly saying,

2040
03:03:42,200 --> 03:03:44,900
you pass all the laws you want, we're not abiding by them.

2041
03:03:45,220 --> 03:03:51,000
So I don't expect this law or this rule ordinance to have a major real impact on the federal

2042
03:03:51,000 --> 03:03:53,220
government, because I don't think they're going to listen.

2043
03:03:54,000 --> 03:04:02,280
They believe they're doing what they need to do and we believe that we're trying to protect our residents from what they're saying they need to do.

2044
03:04:02,860 --> 03:04:09,440
So it's just going to be this pickle between us and them for a bit and hopefully things will settle down at some point.

2045
03:04:09,680 --> 03:04:09,940
We'll see.

2046
03:04:10,700 --> 03:04:13,040
We appreciate that. Thank you for coming up on the spot.

2047
03:04:13,260 --> 03:04:19,100
I know I didn't give you a heads up, but I'm always happy that you're able to address the council.

2048
03:04:19,860 --> 03:04:22,200
Any other comments, questions, concerns?

2049
03:04:23,660 --> 03:04:24,140
Comment.

2050
03:04:25,420 --> 03:04:32,040
And thank you everyone for coming in to speak and staying up past our bed times, and we're going to go home and knock out as soon as we can.

2051
03:04:33,160 --> 03:04:41,740
I always look at everything in every perspective, and I look at it objectively, and sometimes that comes off as cold, but so I'm going to try the best I can.

2052
03:04:42,620 --> 03:04:46,560
We have to be, and in the region, there's a lot of leaders who have to be very cognizant

2053
03:04:46,560 --> 03:04:51,300
with this administration that people who speak up tend to become targets.

2054
03:04:52,640 --> 03:04:57,100
But with that, I also want to be clear that we are at a time now where we can't be silent.

2055
03:04:58,140 --> 03:05:04,080
We have to make a statement even if we know there might be consequences because we all know

2056
03:05:04,080 --> 03:05:07,920
that folks who stand up, this administration makes a target of.

2057
03:05:08,660 --> 03:05:09,920
We have to understand that, right?

2058
03:05:09,920 --> 03:05:39,840
We're doing that, we think we're going to, I feel we're going to do the right thing and make a statement because it's protecting everyone, because citizens are being taken based on status non-citizens, it's affecting everyone, we saw we're in a good in Minnesota, we saw folks down in Ontario, they're not being specific on what they say they're targeting, which is criminals, we all know that a lot of evidence that is just false, and

2059
03:05:39,840 --> 03:05:44,160
And what happened is Guy Country, how do residents know not to open the door?

2060
03:05:45,360 --> 03:05:46,220
Like, know your rights.

2061
03:05:47,220 --> 03:05:52,520
This ordinance is a statement that we stand behind all our residents of all statuses.

2062
03:05:53,420 --> 03:05:55,860
But please, please, know your rights.

2063
03:05:56,480 --> 03:05:58,920
Call 911 if you see someone that's masked.

2064
03:05:59,620 --> 03:06:05,060
Let our sheriffs do what they are able to do and verify who that person is.

2065
03:06:05,060 --> 03:06:12,680
And as many of you probably already know, the current state mask ban and identification law is currently in the courts.

2066
03:06:13,320 --> 03:06:21,420
And instead of California has been very clear that they will not attempt to enforce that new law that they just passed until the court case is settled.

2067
03:06:21,900 --> 03:06:31,040
So hopefully too, that will add more actionable items, assuming that it plays out on the courts the way that we the state of California hopes to play on the courts.

2068
03:06:31,040 --> 03:06:38,340
So I'm in full of support of this, I don't think anyone can stay silent anymore, and I hope all our partners in the region join us.

2069
03:06:39,160 --> 03:06:39,500
Thank you.

2070
03:06:39,860 --> 03:06:41,920
And other comments, go ahead, Amanda.

2071
03:06:43,120 --> 03:07:00,520
I'll do a final comment, Anwayan, and thank you all, thank you for those comments, thank you all for your comments, I think that it's hard to be asked and sometimes it's unreasonable to ask people that are in the line of fire or

2072
03:07:00,520 --> 03:07:08,140
people that are facing, you know, this terror to be nice and to be kind.

2073
03:07:09,480 --> 03:07:15,000
We have to, like Chris said, we have to make a statement, we have to take a stand, whether

2074
03:07:15,000 --> 03:07:19,280
symbolic or not, whether it holds in the courts or not, we have to make it clear.

2075
03:07:19,660 --> 03:07:27,460
And I think this helps make it clear that our resources won't be used to facilitate ice

2076
03:07:27,460 --> 03:07:31,060
and the federal government's overreach here on community.

2077
03:07:31,900 --> 03:07:36,240
Also reiterating the point, know your rights, super important,

2078
03:07:36,560 --> 03:07:40,280
but also the constitution affords us the Second Amendment.

2079
03:07:40,980 --> 03:07:44,320
So I know here in Rupa Valley, we're strong believers

2080
03:07:44,320 --> 03:07:45,260
in the Second Amendment.

2081
03:07:45,500 --> 03:07:48,960
I am, so defend yourself, defend your community.

2082
03:07:49,620 --> 03:07:55,020
If criminals are coming up to your home with fake documents

2083
03:07:55,020 --> 03:07:59,780
and trying to terrorize and kidnap and rob your community.

2084
03:08:00,460 --> 03:08:05,040
You use the constitutional rights that we have in this country.

2085
03:08:05,660 --> 03:08:06,120
Thank you all.

2086
03:08:11,980 --> 03:08:15,860
Just want to say I guess a little story since it's not too late, right?

2087
03:08:17,960 --> 03:08:22,260
This is, I agree with my colleagues and I feel it's kind of personal in a way

2088
03:08:22,260 --> 03:08:26,720
because my dad always tells us a story that in the early 60s,

2089
03:08:27,760 --> 03:08:34,040
He came to this country illegally and there was a roundup and he was part of that roundup.

2090
03:08:34,180 --> 03:08:37,260
He got, there was maybe about 20 of them in line getting ready to put on a bus.

2091
03:08:38,320 --> 03:08:43,100
And he says that there wasn't for his slim figure at the time, not because he was athletic

2092
03:08:43,100 --> 03:08:46,280
or he was athletic but because he didn't have money to eat.

2093
03:08:46,940 --> 03:08:51,280
He was able to fit in between a wall and a building, a brick wall and a building and he slipped

2094
03:08:51,280 --> 03:08:53,640
through there with his component and they took off running into a park.

2095
03:08:53,640 --> 03:09:01,400
work, and the way the wall and the building were, or was, by the time they ran around

2096
03:09:01,400 --> 03:09:06,180
to find him, he had climbed up one of the big trees and hit up in top of the tree, and

2097
03:09:06,180 --> 03:09:07,660
his compiler took off somewhere else.

2098
03:09:07,840 --> 03:09:12,020
They lost each other, but he stood there for about 8 to 10 hours, he remembers, because it

2099
03:09:12,020 --> 03:09:17,800
was early in the morning when the roundup was, and it was already sunsetting when he decided

2100
03:09:17,800 --> 03:09:18,420
to climb down.

2101
03:09:18,420 --> 03:09:21,240
He climbed down, he ran to a near-spaired phone called his

2102
03:09:22,620 --> 03:09:25,080
compiler, they're still right together to this day.

2103
03:09:25,560 --> 03:09:31,380
Came and picked them up and he meant it, he credits that day

2104
03:09:31,380 --> 03:09:35,300
that he got away to the reason that led up to him meeting my mother.

2105
03:09:35,460 --> 03:09:36,920
So I wouldn't be here if he hadn't got away.

2106
03:09:37,860 --> 03:09:40,760
And so that's why I said it's personal, those type of things, right?

2107
03:09:41,140 --> 03:09:42,340
And he got away.

2108
03:09:43,120 --> 03:09:44,780
Later on, he naturalized.

2109
03:09:44,780 --> 03:09:56,240
And so those things are kind of their hard stories, when he says it, he tears up and gets

2110
03:09:56,240 --> 03:10:02,720
emotional about it, and so with that, we always stay in our family with the radio station

2111
03:10:02,720 --> 03:10:11,380
and say, I support this ordinance, or if you want to make your emotional, all right.

2112
03:10:11,380 --> 03:10:14,420
All right, any other comments before we ask for that?

2113
03:10:15,480 --> 03:10:17,420
Good, all right, we have motion to approve.

2114
03:10:17,680 --> 03:10:18,820
I'll make a motion to approve.

2115
03:10:19,120 --> 03:10:19,460
All second.

2116
03:10:19,980 --> 03:10:20,500
All in favor?

2117
03:10:20,760 --> 03:10:20,900
Aye.

2118
03:10:21,360 --> 03:10:22,300
Opposed, abstention.

2119
03:10:22,500 --> 03:10:26,200
Motion does carry 5-0 unanimously, so there you go.

2120
03:10:30,530 --> 03:10:38,450
Now for the fun, item 16-C, annual reconformation process for members of the community development advisory

2121
03:10:38,450 --> 03:10:39,130
committee.

2122
03:10:39,590 --> 03:10:42,270
Our city clerk, Maria Morris, we please have a staff report.

2123
03:10:42,270 --> 03:10:44,870
Good evening, Mayor and Council Members.

2124
03:10:45,470 --> 03:10:49,570
A status recommendation that per the city's municipal code, that the city council can

2125
03:10:49,570 --> 03:10:55,110
city that reconfirmation of appointment of community development, advisory committee members,

2126
03:10:55,670 --> 03:11:02,950
Nancy Chandro, Nadeira Ernaalis, Rachel Lopez, Jorge Ruiz, and Sonia Rape.

2127
03:11:05,060 --> 03:11:07,120
This is just a yearly reconfirmation.

2128
03:11:07,820 --> 03:11:12,920
Any anybody on the council wishing to ask for any changes?

2129
03:11:13,100 --> 03:11:14,180
Are we good with the list?

2130
03:11:14,360 --> 03:11:14,840
Move to approve.

2131
03:11:15,260 --> 03:11:15,440
Second.

2132
03:11:15,980 --> 03:11:16,440
All in favour?

2133
03:11:16,740 --> 03:11:16,960
Aye.

2134
03:11:17,220 --> 03:11:17,860
Opposed?

2135
03:11:18,100 --> 03:11:18,540
Abstention?

2136
03:11:19,200 --> 03:11:19,820
That carries.

2137
03:11:19,960 --> 03:11:23,220
Congratulations to the members of the CDAC committee.

2138
03:11:24,200 --> 03:11:27,100
Next we will move to item 16D.

2139
03:11:29,900 --> 03:11:33,840
Annual reconformation process for members of the Public Works Advisory Committee.

2140
03:11:35,520 --> 03:11:36,200
Ms. Morris.

2141
03:11:36,900 --> 03:11:42,180
Yes, again, this is the same thing for the Public Works Advisory Committee.

2142
03:11:42,520 --> 03:11:46,100
And this is a reconfirmation for our Robert Kalindo,

2143
03:11:46,440 --> 03:11:51,060
along with the new news, Dennis Walls, process on the ban, and Josh Steffi.

2144
03:11:51,960 --> 03:11:53,600
Move to the committee.

2145
03:11:53,600 --> 03:11:55,140
Anybody want to make any changes?

2146
03:11:55,580 --> 03:11:56,320
I move to seconded.

2147
03:11:56,680 --> 03:11:57,380
It's moved.

2148
03:11:57,580 --> 03:11:58,140
It's seconded.

2149
03:11:58,260 --> 03:11:58,700
All in favor.

2150
03:11:58,920 --> 03:11:59,240
Aye.

2151
03:11:59,500 --> 03:11:59,980
Opposed?

2152
03:11:59,980 --> 03:12:02,060
extension, motion carries unanimously.

2153
03:12:02,520 --> 03:12:05,980
Congratulations to our public works advisory committee members.

2154
03:12:06,920 --> 03:12:10,360
And next, annual reconformation process for members of the planning commission.

2155
03:12:11,180 --> 03:12:11,600
As more as?

2156
03:12:11,840 --> 03:12:16,620
Yes, again, a study is recommended that period of municipal code, the City Council can see it.

2157
03:12:16,760 --> 03:12:20,420
Consider the reconformation of the appointment for the planning commissioners.

2158
03:12:20,840 --> 03:12:26,100
Urieth de la Torre are linked to it, Christophe Rosales and Laura Schultz.

2159
03:12:26,100 --> 03:12:31,580
The staff also wants to note that the Planning Commission, the Penning Human, has resigned

2160
03:12:31,580 --> 03:12:33,440
from the Penning Commission effective today.

2161
03:12:34,120 --> 03:12:35,800
Therefore, vacancy will be declared.

2162
03:12:36,340 --> 03:12:42,460
The City Clerk's office will be scheduling disappointment vacancy the next City Council meeting

2163
03:12:42,460 --> 03:12:48,440
on February 5th, and to allow no less than at least 10 days prior to that meeting, the posting

2164
03:12:48,440 --> 03:12:53,780
of the pending appointments and received letters from interested residents as required by the

2165
03:12:53,780 --> 03:12:54,380
municipal code.

2166
03:12:57,220 --> 03:13:00,140
Okay. Can we do a line, a line vote on this one?

2167
03:13:00,400 --> 03:13:06,620
Is there, well, let's ask the, I'll ask the question, what, what is, so, same question.

2168
03:13:06,860 --> 03:13:09,040
Does anybody have any concerns with anybody?

2169
03:13:09,480 --> 03:13:10,440
Say which one you don't want to vote for?

2170
03:13:10,500 --> 03:13:12,900
Yeah, just, just get it out there so we know what we're talking about.

2171
03:13:12,900 --> 03:13:15,380
I'll just move in some a second and then we can just say which one you want to vote for.

2172
03:13:15,380 --> 03:13:17,300
Yeah, I don't want to vote for Laura Schultz.

2173
03:13:17,760 --> 03:13:18,540
Okay, I'll say again.

2174
03:13:19,420 --> 03:13:20,980
I don't want to vote for Laura Schultz.

2175
03:13:21,180 --> 03:13:21,340
Okay.

2176
03:13:21,640 --> 03:13:22,340
Sir, there's a motion rest.

2177
03:13:22,580 --> 03:13:22,940
Are we leaving?

2178
03:13:23,040 --> 03:13:23,760
I'll second the rest.

2179
03:13:23,760 --> 03:13:34,660
So if the remaining balance is okay, so we have a motion on the balance without Laura Schultz will do her separate is that what he's just going to learn her the rest of the year. Let's do Laura Schultz separate.

2180
03:13:35,700 --> 03:13:39,280
It's fine. We can we can do it separate whatever you guys want.

2181
03:13:40,940 --> 03:13:47,300
So Laura Schultz will pull separate the balance we have a motion. Yes, no, sure.

2182
03:13:47,300 --> 03:13:50,440
And a second? Okay, all in favor?

2183
03:13:50,680 --> 03:13:50,840
Aye.

2184
03:13:51,520 --> 03:13:52,040
Opposed?

2185
03:13:52,980 --> 03:13:53,500
Abstentions?

2186
03:13:54,420 --> 03:14:00,880
We have, I didn't hear two of you, that's the balance except for Laura.

2187
03:14:01,320 --> 03:14:01,740
Yes, yes.

2188
03:14:02,040 --> 03:14:03,860
Okay, now we have five, thank you.

2189
03:14:04,400 --> 03:14:05,840
Now, Laura Schultz.

2190
03:14:06,280 --> 03:14:07,300
I'm going to approve Laura Schultz.

2191
03:14:07,640 --> 03:14:07,820
Second.

2192
03:14:08,220 --> 03:14:14,080
You moving, you're seconding, anything you wanted to make comment about in regard to that, it's

2193
03:14:14,080 --> 03:14:14,420
up to you.

2194
03:14:14,420 --> 03:14:17,180
You guys are voting for her, so I'm just going to say no.

2195
03:14:17,860 --> 03:14:17,980
Okay.

2196
03:14:19,120 --> 03:14:21,140
So we've motioned a second, all in favor.

2197
03:14:21,320 --> 03:14:21,780
Aye.

2198
03:14:22,400 --> 03:14:22,860
Opposed?

2199
03:14:23,200 --> 03:14:23,480
Of course.

2200
03:14:24,540 --> 03:14:25,220
To opposed.

2201
03:14:25,760 --> 03:14:26,100
To opposed?

2202
03:14:26,720 --> 03:14:27,940
And abstentions zero.

2203
03:14:28,160 --> 03:14:29,600
So that passes three, two.

2204
03:14:31,460 --> 03:14:32,660
Europe's, you're abstaining?

2205
03:14:33,180 --> 03:14:34,300
No, I said yes.

2206
03:14:34,700 --> 03:14:35,740
Oh, you said yes, I said yes.

2207
03:14:35,880 --> 03:14:35,980
Yes, yes.

2208
03:14:41,400 --> 03:14:42,460
And let's see.

2209
03:14:42,460 --> 03:14:50,360
That's where we are for that so next we move to item 17 city council member oral written reports regarding regional boards and commissions

2210
03:14:52,140 --> 03:14:53,940
The RTA meeting

2211
03:15:02,060 --> 03:15:28,720
We're going to present to the full RTA board, but this is in the committee meeting to, you know, so we talk about the transfer of the buses, the old buses, and we're, I think, on a list to get a bus. Well, we had a discussion recently about what about all the cars that we have, the ones that take the bus drivers to different spots, you know, there's like regular cars, you know, like city cars. And those have always been auctioned off.

2212
03:15:28,720 --> 03:15:40,920
So we've now changed, we're in the process of changing the rules so we can add those into the mix to give those away and donate those to 501c3s and government agencies.

2213
03:15:41,400 --> 03:15:43,960
So that, that is in process now.

2214
03:15:44,500 --> 03:15:49,080
We are also modifying our procurement process for contracts.

2215
03:15:49,780 --> 03:15:58,200
Again, this goes back to higher locally, so what we've decided to put to the full RTA board is

2216
03:15:59,140 --> 03:16:09,810
If, when requests for proposals come in, in the event that the company that you would have given it to,

2217
03:16:09,910 --> 03:16:19,090
the one with the best price, if a local contractor has also put in a proposal that's within 5% of that,

2218
03:16:19,910 --> 03:16:25,410
they will be given an option to match the other contract, which is the lowest one,

2219
03:16:26,110 --> 03:16:29,490
for an automatic basically way in to give it to local.

2220
03:16:30,090 --> 03:16:34,310
So it's something we'll bring to the full board at the next RTA meeting,

2221
03:16:34,350 --> 03:16:38,730
but that is a way for us to finally get some more local contracts.

2222
03:16:39,110 --> 03:16:40,290
I like that. Can we do that here?

2223
03:16:41,130 --> 03:16:42,290
We can discuss it.

2224
03:16:42,470 --> 03:16:42,950
That'd be great.

2225
03:16:43,370 --> 03:16:47,470
So why don't we wait a little bit and see how it pans out for that?

2226
03:16:47,750 --> 03:16:53,610
Because yeah, I'm all for local, and that's one of the reasons we're talking about this.

2227
03:16:54,110 --> 03:17:02,830
Well, I get that, but you could still do contracts, and that's outside of workforce agreement.

2228
03:17:03,470 --> 03:17:05,230
Contracts would be a consultant.

2229
03:17:06,450 --> 03:17:08,350
You know, it could be any contracts with city issues.

2230
03:17:08,830 --> 03:17:10,770
So there may be something to it.

2231
03:17:11,470 --> 03:17:13,850
We'll bring that back at some point, I think.

2232
03:17:15,150 --> 03:17:18,830
Anyway, that's what I had to report on.

2233
03:17:18,830 --> 03:17:22,810
And then Mayor Prattemberaas, you have a couple things to report on.

2234
03:17:22,950 --> 03:17:27,230
Yeah, you're a simple WRCAG, regular business strategic planning.

2235
03:17:27,610 --> 03:17:29,910
It continues every year, nothing exciting or important.

2236
03:17:30,630 --> 03:17:35,810
I want to bore you guys, it's late contract cities, or three of you are with me up there.

2237
03:17:35,910 --> 03:17:40,670
You guys saw and heard the marching sound of abundance.

2238
03:17:41,550 --> 03:17:47,170
That is what we can, I'm not, you know, supporting a sponsor in the head anyway.

2239
03:17:47,170 --> 03:17:51,550
Anyway, but that is the drum that they are beating to in Sacramento.

2240
03:17:53,290 --> 03:17:58,110
I'm probably sharing with that book is that Governor Newsom read and

2241
03:17:58,110 --> 03:18:02,670
hasn't inspired him apparently, and is asking all his director heads to read it as well.

2242
03:18:02,910 --> 03:18:07,990
And the assembly members and state senators, this good information has depends on how you perspective and how you understand it.

2243
03:18:08,070 --> 03:18:14,670
But that is what they are all looking at, state wise, and then I know a lot of my colleagues had a lot of good conversations up there.

2244
03:18:14,670 --> 03:18:19,950
One thing that I will share again, I'm trying again, is trying to get an assembly member or

2245
03:18:19,950 --> 03:18:25,610
a state senator to carry my truck camera bill for those that don't recall what that is.

2246
03:18:26,030 --> 03:18:31,790
We, especially now with AB 98, that we have an implement, which I was very clear with a lot of assembly members and

2247
03:18:31,790 --> 03:18:37,150
state senators that AB 98, all that requires is for every city to make a pretty map that can't be enforced.

2248
03:18:37,830 --> 03:18:40,790
We don't have enough deputies to do truck enforcement.

2249
03:18:41,970 --> 03:18:45,090
The deputies we do have, we like to focus on crime.

2250
03:18:46,150 --> 03:18:50,830
So if we could finally get someone to have the courage to carry that bill,

2251
03:18:51,290 --> 03:18:54,110
and be a champion for not only our community, but the region,

2252
03:18:55,010 --> 03:18:59,270
then we can actually enforce the intention of AB 98.

2253
03:19:00,150 --> 03:19:03,590
So hopefully I get somebody that will carry it, and I'll be able to share that soon.

2254
03:19:04,450 --> 03:19:08,390
But that is all that some of you have already shared what we talked about up there, so it's it.

2255
03:19:08,390 --> 03:19:14,090
Very good. Thank you for those reports. And anybody have questions for Chris or for myself? Okay?

2256
03:19:15,230 --> 03:19:20,470
All right with that we will move to request for any future agenda items.

2257
03:19:21,990 --> 03:19:22,590
Okay

2258
03:19:23,950 --> 03:19:29,710
One thing I will mention to my colleagues here is that I know

2259
03:19:30,230 --> 03:19:35,970
Mayor pertainment myself will be meeting with city staff to go over the priorities for this year

2260
03:19:37,050 --> 03:19:41,150
And that's going to happen, I think, in the first week of February or second week of February.

2261
03:19:41,850 --> 03:19:46,770
What I'm going to say is I'd like to meet with all of my council members before we get to that.

2262
03:19:46,970 --> 03:19:54,710
So we can determine if there's additional priorities that we, or to make sure that the right, the list is in the right order.

2263
03:19:55,410 --> 03:19:58,410
I know we have the master list, which we will go over.

2264
03:19:59,070 --> 03:20:04,610
And I know that we've talked about things in the last several months that may or may not have hit the list.

2265
03:20:04,610 --> 03:20:13,370
But we want to have fully engaged conversations throughout this year about all the things that each of us want to talk about.

2266
03:20:13,550 --> 03:20:19,810
So expect to hear from me this week or early next week so we can get something set up.

2267
03:20:20,530 --> 03:20:23,250
And with that, we will move to City Attorney's Report.

2268
03:20:24,590 --> 03:20:28,530
Okay, any final council member reports or comments, Veronica?

2269
03:20:28,530 --> 03:20:28,630
Okay.

2270
03:20:29,630 --> 03:20:30,770
I do, I do have a comment.

2271
03:20:31,110 --> 03:20:35,510
I just want to say that congratulations to those who are new appointees here.

2272
03:20:35,850 --> 03:20:38,330
I'll be serving with us here in 2026.

2273
03:20:39,290 --> 03:20:47,110
I do want to add to that and just say that as Miss Pam had mentioned earlier in her comments was that,

2274
03:20:47,570 --> 03:20:51,230
it's important for us to show respect, kindness, and patience.

2275
03:20:52,170 --> 03:20:56,610
And I hope that our appointees also got that same message as well too.

2276
03:20:56,610 --> 03:21:01,070
I hope that they understand that we are all on the same team and that we all represent

2277
03:21:01,070 --> 03:21:07,450
the same city. And because of that, that means that they should, they should conduct themselves

2278
03:21:07,450 --> 03:21:14,330
with integrity and show respect to our community, not trying to intimidate, and to always act

2279
03:21:14,330 --> 03:21:21,890
professionally because it's very important and the positions that we hold here in this city

2280
03:21:21,890 --> 03:21:32,450
and as well as us as council members, as we give respect to the community, you know, we ask that the community give the same respect to us, and so should our appointees as well too.

2281
03:21:33,210 --> 03:21:41,410
So I hope that with all of that being said, I hope that we can look forward to a better year in 2026.

2282
03:21:41,410 --> 03:21:41,670
Thanks.

2283
03:21:43,010 --> 03:21:43,610
Thank you.

2284
03:21:43,830 --> 03:21:44,450
Cheers to that.

2285
03:21:45,710 --> 03:21:46,590
Anybody else?

2286
03:21:47,230 --> 03:21:48,410
Last round, comments?

2287
03:21:49,450 --> 03:21:50,850
Well, let me get my dissertation.

2288
03:21:51,610 --> 03:21:53,310
I'm going to fill a buster this meeting.

2289
03:21:54,370 --> 03:21:54,850
Okay, well.

2290
03:21:58,410 --> 03:21:59,290
All right.

2291
03:21:59,630 --> 03:22:01,830
Yeah, we're not going to be able to do it during the meeting if you all leave.

2292
03:22:02,190 --> 03:22:03,670
All right.

2293
03:22:03,850 --> 03:22:03,990
No.

2294
03:22:04,390 --> 03:22:05,570
Thank you for those comments.

2295
03:22:06,670 --> 03:22:10,850
And I would say that all of the council,

2296
03:22:10,850 --> 03:22:17,630
So all of the planning commission, all of the other committee members that represent and make up the city are all representing the city.

2297
03:22:18,190 --> 03:22:33,170
And so I would hope that we all can work together and keep the fighting relatively quiet and get things done and concentrate on the real work that we need to do rather than on pushing people's buttons.

2298
03:22:33,170 --> 03:22:42,350
But I know, I know life, it doesn't work always the way we want it, and we just, we'll make it work one way or another.

2299
03:22:42,550 --> 03:22:48,310
So I look forward to working with all of our committee members and with everybody.

2300
03:22:48,590 --> 03:22:53,070
So the good news is I'm out of stuff to say and we can go home now.

2301
03:22:53,250 --> 03:22:54,350
So we will adjourn the meeting.

2302
03:22:56,850 --> 03:22:59,190
We are going to adjourn the meeting at what?

2303
03:22:59,190 --> 03:23:03,110
but 1048. Thank you so much.