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come to realize that unless we're
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technology,
somebody's got to provide that for us

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and are we going to send it out of the
US and most people are scared of those

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possibilities.
>> Mhm.

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» But yet, uh this [snorts] is a tough one
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» And and we've got I think we've got 15
data centers in the state right now with

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need of that much more. If we quit using
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[snorts] But we bring in a lot. I mean,
our population, look at your little

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town. How many people have you
increased? And have we brought the

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infrastructure along with it? So, all in
due time, I mean, you guys are doing it

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right. And we were talking about, you
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of this stuff. And we we go we a lot of
times we we build hopefully for the

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future and we have to bond in that but
we don't go into debt to the point where

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you know we can't see ourselves getting
out of it. But if we don't have that

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foresight our grandkids, our great
grandkids will have to go someplace else

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to live and and you guys are tasked to
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» thanks.
>> Thank you, [snorts]

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» Senator. Thanks for being here. Really
appreciate you. Um I've worked with you

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on several things so thank you. Uh one
formal request as um this came city

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council with respect any time when um
our opportunity to govern for our

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community comes up will you please
protect our right to do that. That's

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just I'm just asking that is with with
all respect available.

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I think in my body there's only like
four of us that have served either

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county or a city
and so when you harp on it you feel like

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beating a dead horse but they need to
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» We appreciate you harping on it. Thank
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Anything else? Um I appreciate Senator
Winton coming tonight and we'd welcome

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you any night and love to have you.
Uh, next item on the agenda is approval

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of the August 11th um, 2026 city council
meeting minutes. Comments, questions,

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concerns.

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» I would entertain a motion.
>> I'll make a motion that we approve the

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Chem City Council meeting minutes from
August 11th, 2026 as written.

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» I'll second that.
>> Have a motion in a second. Is there any

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are there any f further questions?
All in favor? I

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» opposed. That's unanimous. Next item on
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invoice register dated September 3rd,
2026. Questions, comments, concerns? If

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you ask question, would you please
reference the page number? So hopefully

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we can follow along.
>> Hey Dave, curious. Did uh Trina get that

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check?
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» Okay.
>> Yes.

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» Which is very much appreciated. Do you
know what they're doing with it?

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» I think what they are doing with it. I
shouldn't speak for them. Why am I

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speaking for them? Um, so what? Check.
>> Let's talk about So everybody's on the

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same page.
>> What? 30,000.

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What page are we on?
>> Uh, yeah, I just saw it. There's one

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there's a check written to American
Legion uh auxiliary and it's for the

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Fiesta Days. Um, it says Fiesta Day's
fundraiser or something. Charity charity

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there. [clears throat] Okay. What page
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» Page three. Okay.
>> So, just and just so everybody's aware

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is what happened was uh Indian
Motorcycles sponsored the ride. The

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money that I didn't spend for the event
left $230. And we verified uh Kim

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verified with the auditor that it was
okay to take that money and donate it

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towards the same causes that I'm working
on. So Kim got the check written to you

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and then I also want to have another
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» that's great.
>> So that's good.

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» I try to do that a little bit every year
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the primary children. So,
>> so what I think they're going to be

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doing with that is they are uh kind of a
a lottery system where they are getting

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people to uh suggest a veteran. They may
not be able to afford a brick on their

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they've identified you guys as the uh as
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» and yeah, that's that's all I wanted was
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that can't afford it or are not aware of
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put bricks down with names on it. So,
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» Okay. Thank you.
>> Thanks, Larry.

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» Other comments, Lesie.
>> Just a couple. Uh, page one.

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» Yes.
>> Last line item. Sell Summit Fire

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Protection. Did I didn't look back at my
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last time, Kim? Or were there two or was
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separate?
>> We had them come another time to do our

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building exposures.
>> Oh, that might

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» This is This says Fiesta Day's EMS
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» this is a different invoice.
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» Okay. Maybe it was fire or something.
>> Fire, but Trevor's right. There is

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another one for that company on here.
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And last time was Fiesta extinguishers.
This time it was to fix the ones here in

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the city hall.
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» And then I just noticed a couple of
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whomever is responsible for applying for
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» That would be Brad. Yep.
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like to see Grant on here with an
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and the Thrillshare media. This is on
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And then just a couple of others. The
high quality cleaning. Is that just like

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a deep clean of two of our buildings?
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» The windows.
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[snorts]
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Mountain Power. There is the uh
>> would you reference a page?

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» Yeah. What page are we am I on? Uh page
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» Oh, [laughter] we're first hang first of
all. Lesie, did you have Sorry. No, that

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was everything. You have [clears throat]
it was everything. Okay, Dave. Page one.

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Thank you.
>> Page one. City Hall EV charger. Uh

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probably says parks for $212. Uh Scott,
did you put this together?

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» I did.
>> All right, cool. Tell us what we're

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looking at.
>> What's that?

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» I didn't put that in the department
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» Oh, you were? Okay. I I will wait until
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» You okay to cover it then, Dave?
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» Any other questions on the invoice
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If not, I would entertain a motion.
>> Okay. I'll make a motion that we approve

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the invoice register dated September
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» I'll second. Have
>> a motion and a second. Is there any

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further discussion?
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» It's unanimous.
Next item on the agenda is public

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comment. This is the public's
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not on the agenda. So, if you have a
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state your name for the record, and
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please be courteous of uh your with your
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that would be appreciated. So, public
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Seeing nobody rushed to the podium since
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and we'll move on to the next item. Next
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number would that be, Kim? If

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» 2026-06

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a resolution authorizing an authorizing
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retirement contributions.
So, um I'm I'm sure you've all seen the

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documentation in the Dropbox and what
that talks about is the unique situation

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um with the tier 2 public safety
retirement system and how that applies

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to our new employee and the um required
contribution from the city and the

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leftover remaining amount. And if you
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that the city's required to pay 14%
Um the total cost is 19.98%.

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So the question before you tonight and I
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cover the 5.98%
for our new employee and um recognize

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that she is kind of the succession plan
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she could possibly be paid in some other
areas and that we cover this for her to

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help compensate uh for her uh being an
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um I will open it up for comment or
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» I can speak first. Sure. I um I was
happy to reach out to Matt cuz I didn't

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understand what this was and so I he
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like we
pay this on behalf of we pay full

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contributions on behalf of all of our
other employees. So I'm not sure why we

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wouldn't do it for the latest one that
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proposal.
>> Um I will mention that this tier 2

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public safety is unique in that this
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only required to cover a portion of it.
It's the only position that we have that

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it's that way this tier 2. And so I'm
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sure I understand the logic behind that
but that's the case. So thank you

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Wesley. The other comments
>> you're saying that in the tier one and

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all other employees there is no option.
We're paying all of the all of the

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pension costs.
>> That is correct.

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» Okay. All right. It's just this tier 2
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Okay. All right.
>> Yes, that's correct.

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» I looked at it. It's uh the budget
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» Yeah. What's the monetary amount
>> like as we start out right now? What's

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it?
>> Um, it's it's about $130 a a month.

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something in that neighborhood. And I
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if we value
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feel like something that should hang
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seems like a pretty insignificant amount
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It feels like we're just putting her on
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employees. So, I'm good with this.
>> Is this a plan that she would pick or is

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it like a fund that she picks or is it
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So, go ahead. Tier 2 has some unique
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has a couple of different ways that
employees can choose. One of them is a

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hybrid where there's a piece of a
pension and a piece of a 401k and then

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there and then there's a plan that's
just 401k. And I'm not probably up on it

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as much as Kim on the differences. Um
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public works employee, you wouldn't have
this requirement because you would be in

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the regular retirement version instead
of the public safety version. And so so

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it's again unique to just that one
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» So it's not like a like a fund that she
can choose this um I don't know like

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with the school you could choose which
funds to to invest in. It's nothing that

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way. It's
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person. That's what she gets, right?
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options. I think that's what you're
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the actual pension retirement system
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» Okay.
>> So, any other police officer that we

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hire would get the same thing
>> over if they're in tier two?

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» Yes. And we currently have one in tier
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involved in the retirement contribution,
although there are some benefit

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contributions too. So one in tier one
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» Uh hearing no more comments, I would
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Just one thing on the resolution that we
have. It talks about the KA city council

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um approves a city administrator and the
mayor authorized to undertake all the

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necessary actions. Who would we be?
Who's the city administrator?

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» The mayor.
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administrator and have mayor.
>> Yes. Okay.

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So, if a motion's made, would you
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» I'll make a motion that we pass
resolution number 2026-06

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with one change in the now therefore
paragraph. We're going to delete the

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words city administrator and

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» I'll second that.
>> All right. I have a motion in a second.

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Is there any further discussion?
Larry,

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» yes.
>> Mike,

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» yes.
>> Lesie,

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» yes.
>> David,

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» yes.
>> Monica,

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» yes.
>> Thank you. That's great.

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Okay. Next item on the agenda is the
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water conservation incentive program.
um for um maybe your understanding,

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Senator, I'll tell you what we're kind
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um maybe capture what it was brought to
our attention that some of the um

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elderly folks on fixed income struggle
to pay water bill and and and struggle

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to um cover all their costs and end up
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round most of the time. So, we we talked
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um we talked away about a way to uh work
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to um give them some sort of break on
their water rates. There are ways to do

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that with property taxes, but it
requires a lot of administration,

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requires a lot of um extra work. It
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um it requires submitting some some
income levels and some things like that.

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What this what this um option is
intended to do is is is come up with a

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rate that a a a monthly gallons rate
that we believe is low enough that some

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of those folks could benefit from a
credit from the of their water bill if

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they're less than that many gallons. At
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» least that's that's the direction this
conversation is going. And so I don't

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know if there's anything like that
anywhere else you've seen, but we're

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trying to um we're trying to help
not tax our older folks out of their

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homes and and in a way that's um
reasonably simple that doesn't take a

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lot of administrative time and and and
oversight and do it in a in a way that's

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responsible to the community. So that's
the conversation about this particular

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topic. And tonight we don't vote on
anything because we still have to have a

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public hearing and some of those things.
But this is this is a second look at

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this at this um literature based on um
some comments from the last meeting and

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some corrections from our attorney. So
that's what we'll be talking about.

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So uh I guess everybody reviewed those
comments. I had I had um this put in

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Dropbox with the comments from our
attorney so that everybody could see

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kind of what he was thinking based on
the questions we had asked and sent back

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to him. And so um
where would where would you like to

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start? Right at the top.
>> We can start there, but I would like to

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hear from Kim or someone to see if we've
talked to Cassell before we have this

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discussion. what options are available
so that we are not overloading staff

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with some decision that we we would
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» As far as I know, did you talk to Dory
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» I haven't did she didn't she wasn't
there today. I I know that um the idea

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of a some of the other options that were
discussed with with the income and stuff

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creates quite a quite an issue with
administrative time and and so I know

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that there is is a battle there and I
think that that um

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our attorney highlighted that in this
that that still needs to happen. As you

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know, Dory wasn't in today. Um, and we
still need to close that loop before we

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um do anything in a public hearing. Um,
as far as as far as that credit,

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» I think that's a pretty important issue
to cover before we really get into the

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weeds of this because we need to know
what we're working with before uh before

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we jump into this. In my opinion, it'd
be nice to have Dory explain what

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Cassell can do.
So we would maybe know how automated

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it's going to be and how we can filter
it and

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» right because if we can give a credit if
it's easier to do a credit every month

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it's just based upon gallons versus a
quarterly credit or whatever we're

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looking at all a bunch of our decisions
and discussion will kind of turn on what

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she's able to do and what's automatic
versus manual

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review of everything.
>> I know we can I we can go down through

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this if we choose to. My opinion is we
veered off from what I thought our

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original intention was. Um I I can
appreciate the fact that we want to

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promote water conservation,
but I don't know that this is in line

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with helping our elderly as much as we
would like. And I don't know what the

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unintended consequences are of maybe
uh the winter months. I mean, picking

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that right amount of water, we could
really get hit hard if we don't do it

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correctly in the winter. But are we
promoting to some people to save 20

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bucks to burn up their yards, too? I
mean, to me, I I don't know. I don't

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know that we're catching it the right
way that booklet that Mike handed out

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that works with mag. I I know it would
be a be hard, but maybe we could work

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with Craig Vanassel at the senior
citizens to to go around and help the

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seniors that can qualify for that. Maybe
go about doing it that way where they

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can get assistance for different
utilities. Correct. And I I mean it

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wouldn't be easy, but if we had somebody
maybe train somebody like Craig or

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somebody that would help work with the
seniors to do that application, I feel

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like something like that is more in line
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what we want to do to help the seniors
than um than this. I I I know we can do

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it for a test run for a year and see uh
and you know that would be okay. But

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again, my opinion is we veered from what
our original intentions were with this,

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which is what I want to do. I want to
help the seniors. I want to help those

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that's lived here forever and, you know,
give them a little bit of break. I don't

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necessarily want to give myself a break
cuz I'm not going to be here in the

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winter, so I'll qualify for it. You
know, I I don't know. I'd like to see it

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melt better just right into to helping
the seniors. So, that's kind of my soap

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box before we get going.
I I agree, Larry. And uh and I think we

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would have to put some guard rails on
there because as we as we talked before,

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just our winter usage would all of a
sudden qualify all of these accounts

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that had no intention of conservation or
low income or anything to that effect.

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It's just the nature of not using any
water during the winter. So, we'd have

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to put some guard rails and say the this
is only effective during the summer

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months or something to that effect. It's
for the people that are truly

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conserving. I did though, and maybe if
we do not want to make a decision

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tonight, I'll take it upon myself. I did
look and noticed and I'm going to pass

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this out to you guys. There is a uh the
city of Midvil has a application

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um
has an application where

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you can get a reduced utility rate if
you qualify if you qualify for the

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property tax reduction as as you know
verified by Salt Lake County. So if you

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can go in there and you don't have to
give them your income numbers. you've

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already given them their you've already
given Salt Lake County your income

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numbers in order to get the property tax
abatement already. So, all you'd have to

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do is just go in there and show them
your property tax bill that shows that

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you've got a reduced um uh circuit
breaker or re reduced uh property taxes

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because of your income level. And so on
the front end on the customerf facing

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this is pretty easy. This is a one-page
application, but I will call Midvil and

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ask them, okay, you've had this in
place. It sounds like they they passed

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this resolution clear back in 2010. Um,
and that supports this. They've had this

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program in place. I'll ask them just how
much of an administrative hassle this

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is, if this is in their in their um
opinion if this is worth it or not. Um

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uh and and see what happens here. Um
another thing, and I'm glad the

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senator's here, uh you know, in my
investigation for looking at water rates

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and stuff like that, I actually noticed
something that was actually on the flip

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side where there was a House Bill 501
which was called water modifications.

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Um and and
Senator Sandal was the sponsor of it on

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the Senate. It never did pass the
Senate. It went to the House. Passed the

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House. And it was the one where they
were saying, "If you're going to get any

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type of u uh state assistance for any
type of water or sewer infrastructure,

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we expect that your water bills would be
3% of your modified AGI of your

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constituents." So, it got shot down
quite a bit because it was an average

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and it was um for if it's 3% for the
average, that means there's a lot of

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people that would be probably be paying
a whole lot more than that. So, it was a

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pretty regressive tax, but that's what's
coming out of the legislature is is

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bills like that that are saying you're
going to you're going to charge a

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minimum. So, we were talking about our
our rates, our combined rates of 88

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bucks for water and sewer. Uh would say
that uh an income of right around

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$35,000
is 3% max.

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And that is, you know, $10,000 less than
what the county or the state is allowing

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for property tax abatements. I think the
property tax abatement is at the $45,000

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level this year.
So somewhere in that neighborhood is

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what I was uh thinking
would be would someone would qualify for

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that here in Cameas. So uh just
>> so would it be as easy to qualify as

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this same letter here like Midvvel's
doing?

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» I don't know. I'm going to check. I mean
all the and it is called it's called um

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application for you reduced utility
rates in Midvil City in their website.

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Okay. And um and they say just bring
your property tax bill in and and it

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shows I seen and it shows that if the
county is has reduced your property

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taxes because you qualified for the
state income thresholds then or or as

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they said if you're in the military
actively deployed in the military then

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you get it too as well. I like that.
>> But I will I mean I don't know just how

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much of administrative hassle this is to
Midville.

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I kind of like I like this because it's
I mean it's just something that if one

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it opens this the applicants um another
door for them to have reduced rate on

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their property taxes maybe they wouldn't
have known that plus it's it's pretty

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streamlined just to bring it into the
city and say here you go I mean that

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takes the work off our end right and it
maybe makes them feel a little bit more

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and they don't feel like they have to
give those numbers to people that they

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might know right they've already looked
a little um confidentiality I guess. I

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don't know. My question is um what does
a thousand dollar a,000 gallons a month

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look like in usage? That's probably
really fast, right?

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» I always like watch my house. So, I have
five people I have two women that take

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baths every day.
>> Is this going to be a sexist remark

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someone? [laughter]
>> I just want people to pay attention.

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» We average 8 to 9,000 gallons a month.
>> 8 to 9,000.

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» And we water I water my lawn every day.
I don't have a big yard by any means,

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but so when I see people that go through
30 to 40,000 gallons a month or more

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blows my mind.
>> Is that my house, Trevor? Sorry.

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» Oh, [laughter] no. No, that's my house,
too.

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» I guess I guess without without naming
name like what what property in the city

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is
>> it's generally people with really big

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yards that are very lush and green.
>> Okay. And then on the flip side, who

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like what is a low one? Like who?
>> A little I mean we'll have people that

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won't even go through a thousand gallons
in the month.

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» We do have a lot that would
>> not a lot but there's definitely a

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handful that's usually an elderly person
that lives alone.

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» What about in the winter? Does a lot do
a lot of people besides those people go

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down go below a thousand? It definitely
drops, but we don't see we see like them

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people that are going through 50,000
gallons, that falls off a lot. But where

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we have people run their water through
the winter, usually it almost bumps up a

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little bit cuz the elderly people are
going up to two or three,000 gallons as

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opposed to a thousand
>> just cuz their water's running

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continuously. But generally that number
who is in that thousand I keep saying

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dollars thousandgallon range that
doesn't really go up in the winter. So

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it's those basic those few people.
>> Mhm.

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» Okay.
>> We already offer an incentive though for

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those people who are not in town in the
winter, right? So they will run their

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water. We have a winter rate and we um
also have an incentive that says if you

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leave your water running regardless of
being here or not um the allotment goes

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to 20,000 gallons instead of 15,000
gallons. So there is that incentive.

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Yes.
>> Didn't we eliminate that though?

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» I thought we did.
>> No, it's still in there.

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» Is it?
>> Uh we still have the 20,000 gallons in

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the winter if because we tell people
we'll leave their water on. We still

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have that in there. Yes. And we still
have the winter rate.

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» What's the one? The travel one or the
people that travel like didn't we do

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away with that one? Maybe. No, it's
still there, too. We talked about it,

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but didn't Okay.
>> Yep. It's still there.

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» In the winter time. I'm I'm I'm having a
hard time thinking anybody could use

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15,000 gallons for just indoor use or
20,000.

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» I'm going to give you an example, and
Trevor will verify this. So, um, my mom

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had a leaky toilet. The the inside thing
was leaking. It's 39,000 gallons

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» in the in one month. Well, just one
toilet.

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» Winter winter's good. That's when we
find a lot of our

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» Yeah.
>> Yeah. It's It's It's bigger than you

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think it is.
>> Wow.

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» Yeah.
>> Okay.

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» I had Trevor come look at the meter. We
did a bunch of things. She couldn't

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figure out how come she was using one
month like in the winter she's using

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less than a thousand and all of a sudden
we went to 39 or 43,000 gallons. She had

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this overage. Couldn't understand why.
But the the uh the insides of the tank,

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it was leaking and running and it it
just Yeah, it's it's amazing how much it

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will use.
>> So, I'm thinking if we did if just

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trying to peg a gallon did a thousand
and it went up in the winter, we already

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gave them that credit.
I don't know. Just trying to put a gauge

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on it.
Well, from from last from last time we

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discussed this, the analysis was like
there was 88 accounts that used a

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thousand gallons or less and we were
thinking of a $10 credit. So that's 880

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bucks a month during the winter time.
There was 88 accounts that used 1,000

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gallons or less.
>> So that was not very much compared to

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the 5,000galon.
>> Yeah. where

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» and that hits the
general dem demographic of people that

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we're we are assuming are you know who
are on a fixed income are elderly right

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the whole point is is we don't want to
discriminate right but

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» that's the that's the other side of what
Brad has written here is

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» so but to stay true to what our true
purpose was and to alleviate some of

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this pressure on the on the increase I
think I don't know I'm just thinking a

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thousand would be a great a good number,

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but we got to see if Cassell could do
it. So,

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there's not many under 500, right? I
mean, that's

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» I don't even know that we read under
500.

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» They don't they have to hit,000 gallons
before we even read.

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» Yeah.
>> From the last time.

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» I just thinking gallons of milkwise
trying to figure at least a thousand

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gallons of just so

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great.
But if they use 800 this month and 800

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next month at some point
>> the following month it'll say they used

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a thousand.
>> Okay.

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» So do you want to put this on the on the
back burner until we get the answer on

414
00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:16,080
Cassell? Would you like to go through it
like Larry suggested and and see if

415
00:32:13,039 --> 00:32:20,399
there's some things that um
>> I don't think we should I mean I just

416
00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:23,440
think the time would be better spent if
we knew actually what we could and

417
00:32:21,760 --> 00:32:28,480
couldn't do.
we knew what Cassell's doing and have

418
00:32:25,279 --> 00:32:32,480
Dave do more research into that
>> that form. I I like that form.

419
00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:37,440
» I have no problems calling Midwell and
finding out how much of a hassle this is

420
00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:43,200
for them.
And then maybe Dave, can you also find

421
00:32:39,360 --> 00:32:48,720
out from Summit County like how do you
know the process for when applying for

422
00:32:45,519 --> 00:32:53,279
» I do the real property tax reduction
>> and does that meet our needs that we

423
00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:56,720
could if that's really what our intent
was is to help people who were on a

424
00:32:55,440 --> 00:32:58,880
fixed income or
>> I do

425
00:32:57,279 --> 00:33:01,200
» a lower income.
>> So

426
00:32:59,279 --> 00:33:07,039
» you know I mean as I think about it it
is on household income. So, um the

427
00:33:04,799 --> 00:33:14,480
property tax abatement really helps
widows or widowers like my mother. Um uh

428
00:33:11,279 --> 00:33:19,200
but if you have two two pensions or two
social security checks or something like

429
00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:24,320
that, then a lot of people uh uh that
just barely miss it. Just barely miss

430
00:33:21,440 --> 00:33:30,480
it. Um and there would be people that I
think qualify, but uh we could uh start

431
00:33:27,919 --> 00:33:35,120
with that. I mean, it is a pretty I
mean, you have to be pretty transparent

432
00:33:32,320 --> 00:33:41,200
with the county. Um, they do try to make
it uh as easy as possible to go through

433
00:33:38,320 --> 00:33:50,159
that and usually you they they do the
income verification pretty quickly. Um,

434
00:33:43,919 --> 00:33:55,360
but I would trust that as good enough um
for us to be able to offer a re

435
00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:59,399
reduction in the utility rate based upon
their property tax status.

436
00:34:00,559 --> 00:34:07,919
based upon this discussion, I think
that's what we were hoping. I mean, I

437
00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:12,560
think conserving water is a good option
as well. So, I'm not going to throw

438
00:34:10,240 --> 00:34:17,760
totally throw that one out, but I think
the this conversation started because we

439
00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:23,919
were trying to help people who
>> needed a reduction in their utility bill

440
00:34:19,919 --> 00:34:28,320
because of just income pisses. So my
thought is we go down that road a little

441
00:34:26,560 --> 00:34:32,879
bit more and if we want to circle back
out and have a conservation program of

442
00:34:31,040 --> 00:34:38,320
sorts, we can certainly have that
discussion as well. But they're two

443
00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:41,280
separate things to me.
>> Okay, we will Dave, if you'll close that

444
00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:43,599
loop.
>> Sure, we'll do.

445
00:34:42,320 --> 00:34:49,119
» In the meantime, I have a question for
you, Senator.

446
00:34:46,720 --> 00:34:55,280
years ago, California had a had a bill
that capped property tax or property

447
00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:59,040
values for for residents
as long as they lived in the home once

448
00:34:57,040 --> 00:35:02,240
it sold in a reset. So, has the
legislature ever considered something

449
00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:06,400
like that? And if and if so, what have
you seen have been the problems or do

450
00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:09,280
you like that or are you willing to to
have [clears throat] that conversation?

451
00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:14,240
What does that look like? That was
probably section 13

452
00:35:11,440 --> 00:35:22,079
and we have had that discussion. But
then again um when they sell their home

453
00:35:18,079 --> 00:35:26,240
who captures the increase
and

454
00:35:23,599 --> 00:35:31,680
is that subject to
family inheritance or capital gains and

455
00:35:28,720 --> 00:35:37,119
if so that's another discussion that's
has been in the equation. But yeah,

456
00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:43,839
we've had those kind of discussions and
what you're talking about is how do we

457
00:35:39,280 --> 00:35:51,119
encourage responsible water use and then
I like the idea that somehow you balance

458
00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:58,160
out what the seniors have if it's a a
lower rate monthly and then you

459
00:35:56,240 --> 00:36:03,760
average it out and then at the end of
the year there's a true up. [snorts]

460
00:36:00,640 --> 00:36:10,400
We've been trying to talk about what is
fair because some people have more usage

461
00:36:07,599 --> 00:36:16,160
or more maybe they don't have big yards
but they've got a large family and

462
00:36:12,240 --> 00:36:19,560
there's a lot of bats. Um somewhere you
need to decide

463
00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:31,200
where do we think is equal to treat
everybody basically the same. And uh the

464
00:36:28,240 --> 00:36:35,599
circuit breaker is a good source, but
you're right, there's not everybody that

465
00:36:33,119 --> 00:36:42,560
can qualify even though they actually
do, but if they have any rental income

466
00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:48,480
or property investment coming in, that
throws them out and yet they're living

467
00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:52,720
off from, you know, their retirement. So
that's a process too that there was a

468
00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:59,040
discussion to do away with circuit
breakers gets last year and it failed.

469
00:36:56,800 --> 00:37:04,560
So
I think we're open to all kinds of

470
00:37:01,599 --> 00:37:09,520
suggestions and ideas. Uh but those
discussions have gone on for probably

471
00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:13,520
the last five or six years trying to
figure out

472
00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:22,240
I mean property tax was one of the worst
things that has happened as far as

473
00:37:17,280 --> 00:37:27,040
we don't control the inflation or the uh
appraisal of the property and yet

474
00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:33,359
property taxes didn't go up. It's just
that it's assigned that rate and when

475
00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:39,200
your values go up.
>> Well, it's just hard when you have um

476
00:37:35,760 --> 00:37:43,520
these older folks who who may have paid
$15,000 for a home and now their tax

477
00:37:41,119 --> 00:37:47,839
liability is $3,000. And
>> and their monthly payment for their tax

478
00:37:46,079 --> 00:37:52,400
liability is twice what their monthly
payment for the mortgage was. And it and

479
00:37:50,079 --> 00:37:59,599
it seems unfair.
>> I agree with you 100%. And and

480
00:37:56,960 --> 00:38:04,720
you know, from the state level, we don't
get we don't keep any we don't get the

481
00:38:01,839 --> 00:38:10,160
property tax. That's all local. So, we
could do a lot of things, but it will

482
00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:14,800
come back to to by you guys.
So, how do we do that equitably?

483
00:38:13,119 --> 00:38:19,040
» So, what I'm hearing you say is if we
encourage this, then it gets us on the

484
00:38:16,880 --> 00:38:26,800
property tax side and the water rate
side. Is that what I'm hearing you say?

485
00:38:23,920 --> 00:38:32,640
it because if we encourage them to get
the property tax

486
00:38:29,200 --> 00:38:37,920
break, then that reduces the amount of
property tax we get and

487
00:38:35,280 --> 00:38:42,160
we get less in the water rate. Is that
what I'm hear? Because that seems like

488
00:38:40,720 --> 00:38:46,880
counterproductive to what we're trying
to do as well. Just a thought.

489
00:38:45,040 --> 00:38:51,040
» Yeah. If you're, you know, if you're
looking at [laughter] circuit breaker

490
00:38:48,800 --> 00:38:54,040
program,
then

491
00:38:58,079 --> 00:39:06,880
you're leaving out some people that
should be there, but paperwork wise, the

492
00:39:04,320 --> 00:39:10,800
county's already done a lot of the work
for you. If they qualify you for circuit

493
00:39:08,800 --> 00:39:16,160
breaker, that's a red flag. You guys
already know that, you know, they're in

494
00:39:13,040 --> 00:39:20,760
this field. But those that don't, then
there might have to be another way to

495
00:39:20,960 --> 00:39:28,079
bring them into the mix of that.
>> Mayor, do you think there's a lot of

496
00:39:25,599 --> 00:39:33,040
people that don't take advantage of the
property tax breaks or low?

497
00:39:29,839 --> 00:39:36,880
» I think it has been um at a number
that's been difficult for anyone to

498
00:39:35,040 --> 00:39:41,920
qualify, for lots of people to qualify.
I know it was difficult for my mother to

499
00:39:38,720 --> 00:39:45,200
qualify. Um maybe a couple hundred or
$1,000. It's really

500
00:39:43,520 --> 00:39:49,119
» just over by a couple hundred thousand
or Yeah. Especially if there's two

501
00:39:47,200 --> 00:39:51,280
earners still in the household.
>> Yeah.

502
00:39:49,520 --> 00:39:55,280
» Instead of just being a single
>> but if we if we take a reduced amount of

503
00:39:53,760 --> 00:40:00,160
property tax and reduce
>> Yeah. Well, that's the school districts.

504
00:39:57,520 --> 00:40:03,760
» Anyways, thank you. We'll do your
research. Let's come back and have this

505
00:40:01,760 --> 00:40:10,320
discussion and see see if there's a way
that we can simply provide some sort of

506
00:40:07,520 --> 00:40:14,320
help to
um

507
00:40:12,400 --> 00:40:18,320
those that we think would benefit.
>> Dave, is there a report that the county

508
00:40:16,160 --> 00:40:23,520
would put out so that we would see how
many people qualified within our city

509
00:40:20,079 --> 00:40:29,040
limits? You know, I'll I'll ask I'll ask
the county that because I know they've

510
00:40:25,680 --> 00:40:33,760
presented to the uh council, Summit
County Council actually had the option a

511
00:40:31,520 --> 00:40:40,720
couple of years ago to the state
mandated amount was like 45 grand or so

512
00:40:37,359 --> 00:40:45,520
and and Summit County went up to 48 or
something like that. It was just a few

513
00:40:42,640 --> 00:40:49,440
thousand dollar more. I'm I'm probably
making stuff up here, but

514
00:40:47,920 --> 00:40:53,839
» here I'll read it though. It says
homeowners tax credit for low-income

515
00:40:51,200 --> 00:40:59,920
elderly or widow widow widowerower 67
year old with a two 2025 househ home

516
00:40:57,520 --> 00:41:05,280
income up to 44,000. Okay.
>> And then the low income abatement for

517
00:41:01,920 --> 00:41:10,240
lowincome elderly 67 years old or any
age dis disabled or any age extreme

518
00:41:07,599 --> 00:41:14,119
financial hardship with a 2025 household
income up to 53,000.

519
00:41:14,960 --> 00:41:19,040
You also have the veterans exception
>> too.

520
00:41:18,560 --> 00:41:23,680
» That's true.
>> Which is not but it's the same thing.

521
00:41:21,920 --> 00:41:28,240
» Same. And but that's not income
threshold at all on that one, isn't it?

522
00:41:25,760 --> 00:41:32,240
It's just deployment active deployment,
isn't it? Yes.

523
00:41:29,839 --> 00:41:38,079
» And this is this is one if anybody's uh
watching us, it the applications are due

524
00:41:35,839 --> 00:41:40,960
like right now. I know they give a
>> it's a September

525
00:41:39,200 --> 00:41:46,000
» September 1st is what they're saying on
the website, but I do know they give a

526
00:41:42,640 --> 00:41:48,800
grace period out there.
>> Disability.

527
00:41:47,200 --> 00:41:52,319
» You have to apply every year.
>> I think you get every year. You do have

528
00:41:50,800 --> 00:41:54,240
to apply. Yes,
>> man.

529
00:41:53,760 --> 00:41:58,160
» Yeah.
>> Seems like once you qualify, you should

530
00:41:56,000 --> 00:42:03,520
be grandfathered into the program.
>> Once you're determined to be in need, it

531
00:42:00,880 --> 00:42:05,920
seems like you're in need. I don't know.
All right, Dave, you do the research.

532
00:42:04,960 --> 00:42:09,599
We'll come back and have the
conversation again

533
00:42:07,440 --> 00:42:13,839
» and um in the meantime I'll talk with
Dory and see what's

534
00:42:12,079 --> 00:42:16,240
» what's possible in Cassell.
>> Great.

535
00:42:15,040 --> 00:42:20,960
» Okay.
>> Uh next item on the agenda is a schedule

536
00:42:18,400 --> 00:42:28,640
work session for uh to discuss our
fiesta days.

537
00:42:23,680 --> 00:42:35,119
And um I have mentioned um that uh we
have one of the people who is um a major

538
00:42:32,880 --> 00:42:40,079
part of our fiesta days that works u
Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday until 700

539
00:42:37,280 --> 00:42:45,280
p.m. And so if we want to schedule it on
a Monday, Tuesday or Wednesday, then

540
00:42:42,160 --> 00:42:49,520
then um 7:30ish time frame would would
be more appropriate or or we can look at

541
00:42:46,880 --> 00:42:54,400
a Thursday and and sit down and have a
conversation about yesterday's. We have

542
00:42:52,079 --> 00:42:59,680
some I think we have some things that we
need to make some decisions on um in

543
00:42:56,960 --> 00:43:07,280
preparation for next year. So
>> um what does everybody think on on a

544
00:43:05,760 --> 00:43:12,079
on a date? Really?
>> Do we know what our agenda looks like

545
00:43:09,760 --> 00:43:16,880
coming up maybe in two weeks?
>> No,

546
00:43:13,200 --> 00:43:20,560
» not really an idea. And um again,
we could get done with the agenda at 7

547
00:43:18,720 --> 00:43:23,440
and then have to sit around until 7:30
when that person came,

548
00:43:22,800 --> 00:43:27,680
» right?
>> So it'd be better if we could schedule

549
00:43:24,880 --> 00:43:31,119
it independent of a city council meeting
because No, I just don't know what I

550
00:43:29,359 --> 00:43:34,480
just don't know. We
>> Well, for me though, if I'm already

551
00:43:32,560 --> 00:43:39,119
here, I just soon wait 30 minutes and
still do that as come back a separate

552
00:43:36,480 --> 00:43:46,400
night to discuss. So I I just, you know,
if I'm locked in, I just lock in and and

553
00:43:43,200 --> 00:43:51,599
do it. But
>> I I agree. I can wait around till after

554
00:43:48,960 --> 00:43:55,359
7:30 and then have it then starting at
7:30.

555
00:43:53,040 --> 00:43:59,760
» So we want So So you're saying 7:30 on
the 22nd?

556
00:43:57,040 --> 00:44:01,440
» That would be my preference, but
>> it seems um

557
00:44:01,119 --> 00:44:06,119
» Yep.
>> Yeah.

558
00:44:02,319 --> 00:44:06,119
» Why not? Let's try it.

559
00:44:10,160 --> 00:44:15,800
» All right.
We will plan on that.

560
00:44:16,640 --> 00:44:23,640
» Next item on the agenda is department
reports. [sighs and gasps]

561
00:44:19,920 --> 00:44:23,640
Um Jill,

562
00:44:25,520 --> 00:44:33,680
so the planning commission
has approved the Highar Ranch Northbench

563
00:44:31,839 --> 00:44:38,160
preliminary subdivision. So that is
moving forward and they are still

564
00:44:36,319 --> 00:44:41,800
working on the helicopter ordinance and
the conditional uses.

565
00:44:48,240 --> 00:44:53,880
You're on top of the job.
>> I got

566
00:44:56,480 --> 00:45:02,240
Okay,
Scott.

567
00:45:00,319 --> 00:45:09,280
All right. First, um I'll go over this
EV power usage thing. um me and Kim gave

568
00:45:05,520 --> 00:45:14,960
me a few bills to look at and then we
looked at the I looked at the usage of

569
00:45:11,920 --> 00:45:18,319
actual um what the EV users pulled in
the kilowatt hours. So, if you look at

570
00:45:17,119 --> 00:45:22,240
the first column, it says Rocky Mountain
Power Chargers. That's what our charge

571
00:45:19,920 --> 00:45:30,240
was for the month. And then the total
kilowatts was what they charged us for.

572
00:45:26,240 --> 00:45:35,040
And then the the EVs used the next
column, that's how many kilowatt hours

573
00:45:32,079 --> 00:45:41,119
they used. And I put a percentage um of
what the kilowatt hours for the EV was.

574
00:45:38,000 --> 00:45:49,520
Um they're usually, you know, depending
on the usage around 80 80 85% or so. And

575
00:45:45,920 --> 00:45:55,680
then um I put the cost for the kilowatt
hours for the what the EV used um and

576
00:45:53,359 --> 00:45:59,920
then subtracted that from what rather
Rocky Mountain Power charge is. And it's

577
00:45:58,000 --> 00:46:05,599
it's kind of a little bit deceiving
because there's about 10 other charges,

578
00:46:02,800 --> 00:46:11,119
six or eight other charges that um Rocky
Mount Power charges us. And one is a $10

579
00:46:08,880 --> 00:46:15,359
set fee we get charged no matter what.
And then the other taxes and stuff are

580
00:46:13,119 --> 00:46:20,800
kind of based on the usage. So, as the
usage goes up, you know, some of the EV

581
00:46:17,760 --> 00:46:24,079
charges will increase those a little
bit, but they're not significant. So, I

582
00:46:22,960 --> 00:46:27,280
didn't want to go through and break down
each one of those and make it more

583
00:46:25,440 --> 00:46:35,280
complicated. But, so you can kind of see
that um you know, the the EV um is using

584
00:46:31,599 --> 00:46:40,720
a lot of the kilowatt hours that um
we have on that. Um,

585
00:46:38,319 --> 00:46:47,119
and I know we put up some signs that say
no overnight parking there recently and

586
00:46:44,160 --> 00:46:50,800
don't know if that's kind of changed um
some of the usage. I know that the staff

587
00:46:49,280 --> 00:46:55,280
has noticed that some of the cars aren't
parked there overnight anymore. Um, so

588
00:46:53,040 --> 00:47:01,119
that helps. But so that's that's kind of
what the um

589
00:46:59,119 --> 00:47:05,760
what the power shows. you know, there's
they're using the a significant amount

590
00:47:03,200 --> 00:47:10,480
of the bill each month is for the the EV
power charge that we're the city's

591
00:47:07,520 --> 00:47:15,280
paying and citizens are using. So So
that's what I have to report on that.

592
00:47:12,160 --> 00:47:22,880
Any questions?
Yeah, I I'm looking at the math and I'm

593
00:47:17,920 --> 00:47:26,160
struggling. Okay. So, I understand
the total kilowatts and the EV

594
00:47:24,400 --> 00:47:31,760
kilowatts, but I if I look at the
dollars, just the dollars, EV kilowatts

595
00:47:28,800 --> 00:47:34,400
and dollars for the restroom and flag
lights.

596
00:47:32,640 --> 00:47:39,760
» Mhm.
>> Those don't match the percent of EV

597
00:47:37,920 --> 00:47:45,760
usage. And so, I'm just kind of trying
to make that make sense in my mind.

598
00:47:41,839 --> 00:47:49,760
» So, the the EV kilowatt usage, um, I
didn't put the total charge for the

599
00:47:47,280 --> 00:47:54,079
kilowatt hours in there. I just took the
percentage of what the um because they

600
00:47:52,000 --> 00:48:02,400
charge us specifically for the kilowatt
hours. Um so I took the rate that they

601
00:47:57,599 --> 00:48:07,920
charged and um times it by the
percentage to get um how much the

602
00:48:05,920 --> 00:48:12,560
kilowatt hours used is.
>> So So that's that's straight cost for

603
00:48:10,640 --> 00:48:15,520
the kilowatt hours is that for what the
EB used.

604
00:48:13,440 --> 00:48:20,560
» So I'm looking at let's just look at the
top one.

605
00:48:16,480 --> 00:48:26,960
» It's $107.80. 80s
and it's broken down 61.82 for the EV

606
00:48:23,520 --> 00:48:33,760
and 4598 for the lights and flag uh flag
lights in the restroom. But that doesn't

607
00:48:29,680 --> 00:48:36,480
match the percent of EVU kilowatt. So
I'm trying to understand

608
00:48:35,839 --> 00:48:39,440
» so the
>> does that make sense?

609
00:48:37,680 --> 00:48:46,400
» The percentage is is not based on the
total bill. That's not 80 86% of the

610
00:48:42,000 --> 00:48:50,000
bill. It's 86% of the kilowatt hours.
And I I don't have the bill in front of

611
00:48:48,480 --> 00:48:55,920
me or I could I can break that out and
show you what the the charge was for the

612
00:48:52,640 --> 00:49:00,559
kilowatt hours.
That make sense? So it's it's kind of

613
00:48:58,000 --> 00:49:06,800
deceiving because the the 45 and the 61,
it's not um 61 isn't 86% of the bill.

614
00:49:05,680 --> 00:49:09,200
» That's what I'm saying. That doesn't
make sense.

615
00:49:07,200 --> 00:49:12,319
» It's only 86% of what was charged for
the kilowatt hours.

616
00:49:10,480 --> 00:49:16,720
» The fees and stuff I think that he
explained before. Yeah, because there's

617
00:49:14,559 --> 00:49:18,079
about six or eight other fees that are
charged,

618
00:49:17,440 --> 00:49:22,559
» right,
>> in addition to the kilowatt hours that

619
00:49:20,640 --> 00:49:27,520
are included in the 45.
>> And so you're saying those fees would be

620
00:49:24,400 --> 00:49:31,040
there. If we just dropped the uh EV
charger, those fees would probably be

621
00:49:29,520 --> 00:49:34,319
there,
the lights and the restroom out there.

622
00:49:32,800 --> 00:49:36,400
» Yeah, they'd still be there, but they'd
be a little bit less because they're a

623
00:49:35,920 --> 00:49:40,720
little bit higher.
>> Some of them are depending on usage.

624
00:49:38,240 --> 00:49:44,720
Yeah. Yeah. But the majority of them are
they're just there

625
00:49:41,760 --> 00:49:48,880
» like a fee or something like that.
>> So all the fees though are in like the

626
00:49:47,040 --> 00:49:52,400
column with the restroom and flag
lights. That's where they're at. So

627
00:49:50,559 --> 00:49:55,440
that's where it is. Okay. Makes sense
then cuz that's

628
00:49:53,760 --> 00:49:57,599
» you take them out then you'd be to that
86% problem.

629
00:49:56,880 --> 00:49:59,680
» Yep.
>> Yeah. I can make that make sense.

630
00:49:59,280 --> 00:50:04,400
» Yeah.
>> Yeah. I I couldn't get there.

631
00:50:01,520 --> 00:50:09,119
» No. Yeah. But that does that makes sense
now where you put that. So, so we put so

632
00:50:07,280 --> 00:50:13,680
we put the no overnight parking signs up
there and and I and Kim and I talked we

633
00:50:11,440 --> 00:50:18,480
noticed that that there hadn't been the
vehicles there. Is is that something the

634
00:50:16,559 --> 00:50:23,599
council wants to get a couple of months
more data before we decide

635
00:50:21,839 --> 00:50:25,680
a path to go down with charging or do
you want to you want to take that road

636
00:50:25,119 --> 00:50:31,680
now?
>> I think well I I'm okay waiting a couple

637
00:50:29,680 --> 00:50:36,319
of months. I mean, we just approved an
invoice register that showed Rocky

638
00:50:34,000 --> 00:50:42,160
Mountain Power paying $211. So, it's
going to be up here. And so, if if it's

639
00:50:39,200 --> 00:50:48,720
$211, then probably the EV charge is
going to be somewhere north of $108,

640
00:50:45,599 --> 00:50:52,160
probably 150 bucks or so. Um, and then I
think it's up to us to decide whether or

641
00:50:50,319 --> 00:50:58,000
not
we if if it's a if it's going to average

642
00:50:54,880 --> 00:51:01,040
150 bucks a month
at least during the

643
00:50:59,040 --> 00:51:05,119
» all that charger.
>> Was it last fall?

644
00:51:02,880 --> 00:51:09,000
» No, it's been about a year and a half
almost years I think.

645
00:51:10,319 --> 00:51:16,640
» Spring.
>> I'd be curious during the winter months

646
00:51:14,800 --> 00:51:19,920
how much it dropped. people not want to
freeze their butts off and walk over

647
00:51:18,079 --> 00:51:25,440
here to charge it in the summer when
it's nice they park it and charge it. So

648
00:51:23,599 --> 00:51:29,839
when the lady when the lady kept keeping
it overnight, we got her finally moved

649
00:51:27,359 --> 00:51:34,480
this night to come in the dumpster and I
came in early like4 to 6 and as I was

650
00:51:32,559 --> 00:51:38,400
pulling out with the backo, she was
pulling in to charge it up at 6:00 in

651
00:51:36,800 --> 00:51:43,040
the morning. [laughter]
I stopped and watched and she got out

652
00:51:40,400 --> 00:51:46,040
just walked over
there.

653
00:51:46,559 --> 00:51:54,640
» We installed these for our residents,
right, to use, I guess. Um, we got a

654
00:51:52,720 --> 00:51:58,960
grant for the EV charger and we
installed it as a kind of a component of

655
00:51:57,119 --> 00:52:04,880
the park upgrade. And so I don't know
that it was [snorts] I don't know that

656
00:52:01,440 --> 00:52:09,680
it was directly related to residents
more so than just a convenience and an

657
00:52:07,920 --> 00:52:13,720
opportunity because we got a grant to
install the charger.

658
00:52:14,559 --> 00:52:21,440
» How much was the grant?
>> $40,000

659
00:52:17,839 --> 00:52:26,319
I think 40 is that right, Scott? 40,000.
>> Yeah. And the county um when we when we

660
00:52:23,200 --> 00:52:30,240
were looking into this, the county um
they installed some too. They have some

661
00:52:27,839 --> 00:52:34,640
over there. And I called the talked to
them to see how much they charged. And

662
00:52:32,480 --> 00:52:38,559
they don't charge for the slow chargers
like this one. They do charge for their

663
00:52:36,480 --> 00:52:43,040
fast chargers that they have over by
Gimble Center or wherever it is over

664
00:52:40,000 --> 00:52:46,960
there. Um but anywhere where they have
the the slow chargers like this one,

665
00:52:44,960 --> 00:52:51,520
they charge. And I think
>> I don't know if that was it. I just

666
00:52:48,880 --> 00:52:55,520
think we're if our if obviously it's our
residents using them, right? And it was

667
00:52:53,520 --> 00:52:59,920
something that was
grant, you know, it was a grant that was

668
00:52:57,119 --> 00:53:04,400
given to us. I I think I mean unless
these numbers get wildly out of control,

669
00:53:01,680 --> 00:53:11,200
I think we should just
let them use it, you know, as a

670
00:53:06,880 --> 00:53:16,800
convenience of being a city resident.
My concern is if it's going to if the

671
00:53:14,559 --> 00:53:23,280
usage is picked up to where it's 150
bucks a month and it's $1,800 a year

672
00:53:20,160 --> 00:53:31,520
going to one or two residents. Is that
fair to the other 2,200 residents

673
00:53:27,599 --> 00:53:37,359
in CAS that we're we're paying? I mean,
hey, I'll take 900 bucks. [laughter]

674
00:53:34,880 --> 00:53:41,040
» I mean I mean it's it's so limited.
>> Yeah. Maybe a 500 to fill my truck up

675
00:53:39,280 --> 00:53:44,160
every once in a while.
>> I don't know. Rip it out. Don't let

676
00:53:43,280 --> 00:53:48,720
anyone use it.
>> My charge goes to the gas pump. I don't

677
00:53:46,319 --> 00:53:52,720
know.
>> Scott, there's just one outlier on this

678
00:53:51,200 --> 00:53:58,240
paper that I'm trying to wrap my head
around. If you look at May through June,

679
00:53:56,319 --> 00:54:03,920
the restroom and flag lights went up
from $18 to 100. And it seems like the

680
00:54:01,280 --> 00:54:07,440
average is about 45. Like like I said,
it's with all those other fees

681
00:54:06,000 --> 00:54:08,559
» without breaking up all those other
fees.

682
00:54:08,000 --> 00:54:13,599
» Yeah.
>> With the high usage for that month,

683
00:54:11,359 --> 00:54:17,280
» those fees went up too. So it it kind of
brings those other fees up too. So it's

684
00:54:15,680 --> 00:54:21,359
kind of misleading. I
>> probably should have just left that off

685
00:54:19,040 --> 00:54:25,599
and said this is how much the the power
charges.

686
00:54:23,280 --> 00:54:29,200
Um because it's it's misleading and you
know if we really wanted to I could go

687
00:54:27,599 --> 00:54:32,559
through and try to break out those other
taxes and see how you know how they're

688
00:54:31,520 --> 00:54:38,400
affected with the
>> No. I don't think we need any additional

689
00:54:35,920 --> 00:54:42,240
work. I just it's just weird when I look
at the restroom and flag lights how it

690
00:54:40,800 --> 00:54:44,880
» I checked that two or three times
because I was like that just seems

691
00:54:43,520 --> 00:54:48,480
really weird that that one went well.
>> We just left the bathroom lights on all

692
00:54:46,240 --> 00:54:53,440
night, right? [laughter]
because you you can see that, you know,

693
00:54:50,000 --> 00:54:57,760
we we still used um you know, not very
you much for the the um bathrooms and

694
00:54:56,079 --> 00:55:04,240
the flags. It's just cuz those other
fees goes up the you know, and and um

695
00:55:01,680 --> 00:55:09,760
during the summer months, Rocky Mount
Power, they have a different fee for the

696
00:55:07,440 --> 00:55:14,680
kilowatt hours. It jumps up during the
summer versus um during the winter

697
00:55:11,680 --> 00:55:14,680
months.

698
00:55:14,720 --> 00:55:18,680
hook it up to air conditioning.

699
00:55:21,040 --> 00:55:25,839
» Thank you, Scott, for putting this
together for us.

700
00:55:24,160 --> 00:55:27,760
» And let's look at it, I think, for a
couple more months and see where we

701
00:55:27,359 --> 00:55:30,720
land.
>> We can do that.

702
00:55:28,319 --> 00:55:32,960
» So, in November, will you give us a
couple more months worth and see where

703
00:55:32,240 --> 00:55:36,079
we want to be? Is
>> that fair? November.

704
00:55:34,880 --> 00:55:39,440
» Okay.
>> Dave, you had one other question you

705
00:55:37,359 --> 00:55:42,800
wanted to talk to Scott about?
>> Oh, no. We were going to discuss

706
00:55:41,040 --> 00:55:49,839
bathrooms. We were going to discuss the
RAP recreation grant which is open and

707
00:55:46,160 --> 00:55:54,880
it's uh last day to apply for it is on
September 30th

708
00:55:52,720 --> 00:56:02,160
» and we discussed uh putting a new
restrooms um down at the uh in between

709
00:55:58,640 --> 00:56:07,359
the event center and the snack shack uh
down there so it could be used u and

710
00:56:04,319 --> 00:56:11,280
make it a little bit larger and uh and
so it could be used for both everybody

711
00:56:08,960 --> 00:56:18,079
that goes to the playground as well as
our fiesta days.

712
00:56:14,720 --> 00:56:22,000
» Yeah. So, I um Dave sent that out and I
I I got in touch with the the same

713
00:56:20,799 --> 00:56:30,480
company that we bought these other
restrooms for. Um we paid about 115,000

714
00:56:27,760 --> 00:56:36,720
just for the restrooms for these two.
And it's just two restrooms.

715
00:56:32,960 --> 00:56:41,280
um to get one that has about that has
six stalls. Like the women has three

716
00:56:39,119 --> 00:56:47,040
toilets and then the men's has a urinal
plus two toilets. So six dolls it's

717
00:56:44,160 --> 00:56:48,640
around just 280 just to get it.
>> 280.

718
00:56:47,760 --> 00:56:54,319
» 280. Yeah.
>> And then how much work Trevor does?

719
00:56:52,880 --> 00:56:59,040
» Depends on where you put it really.
>> Yeah. Depending on how far we got to run

720
00:56:56,559 --> 00:57:04,000
sewer, water, that kind of stuff.
estimate

721
00:57:01,680 --> 00:57:10,880
» you're probably like 15 20 grand
>> 20 grand. So we So So Dave, that looks a

722
00:57:07,760 --> 00:57:17,040
lot like a $300,000 ask on top of the
turf

723
00:57:13,119 --> 00:57:22,079
» if you're filling out the application.
>> Yeah, that's that's a little bit rich.

724
00:57:20,640 --> 00:57:26,319
That's going to be that's going to
that's going to get people's attention.

725
00:57:24,079 --> 00:57:30,880
We can do that.
I'm thinking maybe what would we what

726
00:57:28,559 --> 00:57:34,640
would we contribute
or when we get asked the question if we

727
00:57:33,200 --> 00:57:41,760
could only give you partial funding
would you still go forward with it?

728
00:57:37,440 --> 00:57:46,480
» And what my just quick question um where
would we put this exactly?

729
00:57:44,559 --> 00:57:50,480
Would it replace an existing bathroom or
would it be a new bathroom? some of the

730
00:57:48,799 --> 00:57:55,200
conversation we had today and this is
really spitballing not the council

731
00:57:52,400 --> 00:57:59,119
totally but we talked about the bathroom
up closer to the bucking shoots is

732
00:57:56,880 --> 00:58:04,480
really kind of needing to go away and
this would be a replacement only it

733
00:58:02,079 --> 00:58:09,680
would be more closer to the concession
stand so that the pavilion park the

734
00:58:07,680 --> 00:58:14,640
whole area could use it. That was the
initial thought that we had spitballled

735
00:58:11,680 --> 00:58:19,839
earlier today. And so, um, we've talked
several times about the other [snorts]

736
00:58:17,119 --> 00:58:25,119
bathroom and we've we've juryrigged the
water and it's it just needs to be

737
00:58:23,359 --> 00:58:28,220
redone. So, that was the thought
process. And

738
00:58:26,720 --> 00:58:32,640
» we thought if we put it close enough
[snorts] to the concession booth that

739
00:58:30,400 --> 00:58:38,559
there could be an access to water and
sewer because it would be in close power

740
00:58:36,400 --> 00:58:42,640
» because it would be in close proximity.
>> I just look at the events that we host

741
00:58:40,960 --> 00:58:47,680
there when the county came in and did
their movie night and

742
00:58:44,559 --> 00:58:52,160
» when people rent the or use the pavilion
for big family parties, it's really hard

743
00:58:50,079 --> 00:58:56,160
to have just
a two stall bathroom. Well, and Trevor,

744
00:58:54,559 --> 00:58:58,960
you know how hard that gets hit when we
have those.

745
00:58:56,799 --> 00:59:02,400
» Well, I'm just trying to picture where
it was to go.

746
00:59:00,640 --> 00:59:06,960
» What about by the entrance where we were
we put all of the bathrooms now

747
00:59:05,200 --> 00:59:09,839
» on the north side of the concession
stand.

748
00:59:08,000 --> 00:59:14,799
» That's exactly where we were thinking.
>> Keep it right where it is. You'd have to

749
00:59:12,000 --> 00:59:18,319
like move a little bit of the park.
>> That's where we were thinking. Yeah.

750
00:59:16,799 --> 00:59:23,760
» Yeah. Kind of tie it right onto that
bead to get water and scooters.

751
00:59:21,520 --> 00:59:26,960
» That was the talk.
that old brick bathroom that's just kind

752
00:59:25,440 --> 00:59:30,559
of a horrible place.
>> Well, we put layout of the

753
00:59:29,520 --> 00:59:33,359
» Yeah, it's just
>> it's just not very convenient

754
00:59:32,559 --> 00:59:37,119
» convenient.
>> Yeah.

755
00:59:33,920 --> 00:59:44,160
» And it's it's it's
>> it's

756
00:59:39,359 --> 00:59:49,760
not in good shape either. So,
um that was the thought. Dave, is that

757
00:59:46,640 --> 00:59:54,559
too much? Most of the time in any grants
that I've been involved in, 20% match is

758
00:59:52,480 --> 00:59:58,559
generally pretty acceptable.
>> Yeah.

759
00:59:55,200 --> 01:00:04,880
» And so if this is what I'm seeing, then
that's $60,000 commitment from the city.

760
01:00:02,799 --> 01:00:09,119
But but that's a pretty decent
infrastructure

761
01:00:06,480 --> 01:00:14,200
improvement for for that cost if the
city is interested in doing something

762
01:00:10,960 --> 01:00:14,200
like that.

763
01:00:18,799 --> 01:00:25,040
just thinking
>> I am I'm okay with that. I think it's

764
01:00:22,640 --> 01:00:29,760
the right thing to do, but
>> I've always thought that the restroom

765
01:00:27,839 --> 01:00:34,400
facilities ever since we took out the
one to put in the event center has

766
01:00:32,240 --> 01:00:40,319
always been a problem. And the comments
that you get from the patrons who go to

767
01:00:37,040 --> 01:00:45,359
our festivities are, "You have this
amazing complex here and you have no

768
01:00:42,960 --> 01:00:51,440
bathrooms.
So, David, um, what what do you need

769
01:00:48,400 --> 01:00:55,839
from Scott and Trevor that will be an,
um, an appendix to the application that

770
01:00:54,319 --> 01:01:02,720
would help? What do you need?
>> I I assume, Scott, that this is the same

771
01:00:59,440 --> 01:01:06,079
vendor that's the state approved bid and
all that.

772
01:01:03,200 --> 01:01:12,640
» I just got budget prices just quick. I
need a bid that's state approved

773
01:01:09,760 --> 01:01:15,680
that doesn't expire before
October 15th or something. [laughter]

774
01:01:14,400 --> 01:01:18,880
» That won't happen. So, we'll put a
contingency in there.

775
01:01:16,799 --> 01:01:21,440
» Yeah. Um and uh then
>> it's really hard to get anything over 30

776
01:01:20,480 --> 01:01:24,000
days anymore.
>> So,

777
01:01:23,040 --> 01:01:29,280
30 to 60 days.
>> The big jump from one stall to like from

778
01:01:27,760 --> 01:01:33,599
two stalls to six stalls. That's a big
jump from 115 to 280. Is there anything

779
01:01:31,760 --> 01:01:37,599
in between that would be acceptable?
That would be something the city would

780
01:01:35,520 --> 01:01:43,520
consider like for stall like is there a
way is there a number that's that's more

781
01:01:40,799 --> 01:01:45,440
palatable to everyone when we make this
application?

782
01:01:44,400 --> 01:01:51,520
» Is that is that
>> No, I I mean I was assuming that total

783
01:01:48,160 --> 01:01:58,880
total project cost is $300,000 and we're
going to pony up for 60 of it and u and

784
01:01:55,280 --> 01:02:04,720
so the ask is 240. Our ask last year was
263 for the pavilion and the uh and the

785
01:02:02,720 --> 01:02:09,920
restrooms over at Beaver Creek Park. So,
it's doable. We're getting in I think we

786
01:02:06,880 --> 01:02:15,280
were pretty close to the highest ask
last year, but So, if we're in that

787
01:02:12,799 --> 01:02:19,359
ballpark, 300 grand starts to get
people's attention and would probably

788
01:02:17,119 --> 01:02:22,880
get cut anyway. So,
>> but if there were a four stall that

789
01:02:20,960 --> 01:02:29,280
dropped it at somewhere,
>> if there is a force stall, it only drops

790
01:02:24,400 --> 01:02:34,480
at about um 20 $25,000. So, I think for
$25,000 you get two more stalls.

791
01:02:32,079 --> 01:02:38,799
» I'm just saying if that 20 or 25,000
kicks us out of consideration. Is that

792
01:02:36,559 --> 01:02:40,960
worth being kicked out of consideration?
That's the question I'm asking.

793
01:02:40,240 --> 01:02:45,440
» No, I
>> I don't In my opinion, no. I think if

794
01:02:43,359 --> 01:02:50,079
we're going to do it, we should
>> do it right. Yeah, I'd say maybe

795
01:02:48,319 --> 01:02:54,000
we can make the point that this these
restrooms are going to be used for all

796
01:02:52,640 --> 01:02:58,240
year long because it's going to be
placed right next to the playground and

797
01:02:55,760 --> 01:03:02,640
right next to the pavilion. So we we we
put that there all year because it

798
01:03:00,799 --> 01:03:05,520
unless if we need want to do all year,
we're going to have to put heating in it

799
01:03:03,680 --> 01:03:11,200
and then that'll jump to cost.
>> Uh okay. Yes. And so it'll be just like

800
01:03:08,079 --> 01:03:15,599
these two restrooms, right? Okay. So
it'll be used.

801
01:03:13,200 --> 01:03:19,680
» I know. I know. When uh all three stalls
or three stalls are full of that four

802
01:03:17,359 --> 01:03:23,599
stall grand.
>> So it'll be worth it.

803
01:03:21,520 --> 01:03:26,480
» The more stalls the marrier.
>> Okay.

804
01:03:24,480 --> 01:03:28,880
» Sounds like we have a direction. We do.
>> Awesome. Thank you, Scott.

805
01:03:28,000 --> 01:03:32,680
» That's all I have.
>> All right, Trevor. Over

806
01:03:34,799 --> 01:03:40,640
the last several weeks, the public works
team has continued daily water, sewer,

807
01:03:38,720 --> 01:03:44,640
and park maintenance and monitoring. We
completed this year's scheduled fire

808
01:03:42,400 --> 01:03:48,720
hydrant maintenance, repaired three
water leaks, and changed out two water

809
01:03:46,400 --> 01:03:52,880
meter cans. Also, some small
improvements to our parks. We also

810
01:03:51,039 --> 01:03:57,680
assisted in the county sponsored movie
night with power layout, setup, and

811
01:03:55,200 --> 01:04:03,119
takedown. I have also been working with
Comcast contractors on their upcoming

812
01:03:59,920 --> 01:04:08,920
project in town and also lastly we were
able to complete full services on both

813
01:04:05,280 --> 01:04:08,920
of our plow trucks.

814
01:04:11,520 --> 01:04:17,599
» Thank you.
>> Thank you. One one other one other

815
01:04:14,240 --> 01:04:24,319
thing. Um I was contacted by the mayor
Francis yesterday uh for uh potential

816
01:04:21,280 --> 01:04:31,039
for some help to take some of their um
tents down. And I imagine they were

817
01:04:27,839 --> 01:04:35,680
timesensitive, probably rented. And um I
called Trevor and asked what he thought

818
01:04:32,640 --> 01:04:39,200
and he jumped in and and and
um and [clears throat] I'm I think it

819
01:04:37,280 --> 01:04:45,280
went well. And and I guess the highlight
I want to make is is that um that

820
01:04:42,720 --> 01:04:51,440
ability to to help each in each other's
communities and be available to to work

821
01:04:47,839 --> 01:04:57,280
together as as a valley which I I think
is impressive and so thank you.

822
01:04:55,920 --> 01:05:02,640
» Can I make one other comment? Yes.
>> I've got to say the Bisden's subdiv or

823
01:05:00,319 --> 01:05:07,119
development over there on the old west
property um they're wanting to get

824
01:05:05,280 --> 01:05:11,119
started on their infrastructure and get
going. So you you'll probably be seeing

825
01:05:09,839 --> 01:05:16,880
that happen in the next couple weeks,
too. So,

826
01:05:14,160 --> 01:05:19,880
okay,
Brad.

827
01:05:22,480 --> 01:05:30,720
So, since I last reported, we've had 82
calls for service,

828
01:05:27,440 --> 01:05:36,960
uh, four alarms, four a 14 agency
assists, two ATLs, three crashes, five

829
01:05:34,000 --> 01:05:42,079
citizen assist, two drugs, one domestic
violence, one citizen dispute, two hit

830
01:05:39,520 --> 01:05:48,240
and runs, five juvenile problems, one
harassment, two keep the peace, three

831
01:05:44,799 --> 01:05:52,319
lockouts, four suspicious, two juvenile
alcohol, one abandoned vehicle, one

832
01:05:50,720 --> 01:05:57,520
livestock problem, one lost lost
property. Two motorist assists, one

833
01:05:54,720 --> 01:06:03,119
property damage, two assaults, one paper
service, one stalking, one threatening,

834
01:06:00,559 --> 01:06:08,720
eight VIN inspections, six welfare
checks, three wildlife problems, two

835
01:06:06,000 --> 01:06:15,240
animal problems, and one burglary. And
we handled 73% and the sheriff's office

836
01:06:11,839 --> 01:06:15,240
handled 27%.

837
01:06:17,760 --> 01:06:25,039
» That's kind of kind of a lot for our
little small community. Um Brad, will

838
01:06:22,720 --> 01:06:30,480
you
send someone down to check um Second

839
01:06:27,680 --> 01:06:34,000
West tomorrow? They they've parked that
big semi right in the middle of road.

840
01:06:31,920 --> 01:06:37,280
Well, on one side of the road and so it
takes up half the road there by Vulkers.

841
01:06:36,079 --> 01:06:40,559
Will you check that out?
>> Yep.

842
01:06:37,760 --> 01:06:42,400
» They they we can't have the road be the
parking lot.

843
01:06:41,520 --> 01:06:46,799
» Okay. Y
>> today the tree service was there cutting

844
01:06:44,400 --> 01:06:52,559
for Rocky Mountain. It was a challenge
to get the bus around them and I'm sure

845
01:06:50,559 --> 01:06:58,319
our citizens are struggling there, too.
>> Okay. Yep. We'll take care of it.

846
01:06:54,319 --> 01:07:03,760
» Awesome. Any questions for Brad?
>> We need to put up a no overnight parking

847
01:07:00,880 --> 01:07:09,920
sign in our event center parking lot.
That's could easily become a used cars

848
01:07:07,839 --> 01:07:14,960
sales lot.
>> I know, [laughter] right? Well, because

849
01:07:11,760 --> 01:07:18,880
when people rent our event center, they
want the parking that goes with it. And

850
01:07:17,359 --> 01:07:21,359
so when somebody's pulled in, they're
just

851
01:07:20,880 --> 01:07:25,119
» However,
>> will you get some no overnight parking

852
01:07:22,880 --> 01:07:29,680
signs? I think it's a great idea.
>> Yeah, absolutely. Let's put those in.

853
01:07:27,839 --> 01:07:31,760
» We may want to do the same thing for the
Beaver Creek Park.

854
01:07:31,280 --> 01:07:33,680
» Yes.
>> Will you look at the Beaver Creek Park,

855
01:07:33,200 --> 01:07:35,599
too?
>> Post.

856
01:07:35,280 --> 01:07:37,680
» Sorry.
>> Will you look at the Beaver Creek Park,

857
01:07:36,880 --> 01:07:41,760
too?
>> Putting some signs up.

858
01:07:39,760 --> 01:07:45,280
» Awesome. Yeah,
>> I think all of our parks are no

859
01:07:43,599 --> 01:07:48,000
overnight anyway. So,
>> yeah.

860
01:07:46,319 --> 01:07:51,920
» Yeah. Our ordinance states the parks
close at dusk, like soon as the sun

861
01:07:51,599 --> 01:07:55,680
sets.
>> Our ordinance says dusk.

862
01:07:53,440 --> 01:07:58,160
» Yeah, it says dusk.
>> Interesting.

863
01:07:56,079 --> 01:08:01,599
» I think I was just reading, we were
going through it the other day, some of

864
01:07:59,359 --> 01:08:04,480
our ordinances. So,
>> we may want to look at that as an

865
01:08:03,119 --> 01:08:07,280
appropriate terminology.
>> I was going to say, what number does it

866
01:08:05,920 --> 01:08:11,119
start out with? [laughter]
>> 52.

867
01:08:08,640 --> 01:08:13,920
» Uh, no. It was It was in the '9s. I
think it was the 93 possibly.

868
01:08:13,280 --> 01:08:15,839
» Yeah.
>> So,

869
01:08:14,480 --> 01:08:19,359
» that's
>> Yeah, there was a few of them I looked

870
01:08:17,120 --> 01:08:23,839
at that we need to maybe update.
>> Will you bring those in? We can sit

871
01:08:22,159 --> 01:08:25,520
down, talk about it, and then I can get
them in front of the council.

872
01:08:25,040 --> 01:08:29,199
» Yep.
>> Thank you. Anything else?

873
01:08:27,759 --> 01:08:34,400
» I have a question for Jill.
>> Yes.

874
01:08:30,719 --> 01:08:37,520
» Uh the old B Blazard Place
and walk over here on First West and

875
01:08:36,560 --> 01:08:42,480
First North.
>> Okay. There's a dumpster sitting out on

876
01:08:40,080 --> 01:08:46,799
the rideway. Do we know who that owns
that? Why is it sitting on the rideway?

877
01:08:45,520 --> 01:08:48,799
It's sitting right next to the stop
sign.

878
01:08:47,679 --> 01:08:54,080
» I have no idea.
>> Several

879
01:08:50,719 --> 01:08:59,679
the hotel or whatever they're using
Ward's place for.

880
01:08:56,400 --> 01:09:04,480
» They they have had several uses in
there. In fact, I'm not positive that

881
01:09:01,679 --> 01:09:08,480
they don't have a conditional use for a
bed and breakfast there. Like there are

882
01:09:06,560 --> 01:09:10,560
some things that I don't know.
>> I don't know.

883
01:09:09,120 --> 01:09:12,159
» I thought they were doing bed and
breakfast or something,

884
01:09:11,359 --> 01:09:14,880
» but it's been a church.
>> I don't know what you're talking about.

885
01:09:13,120 --> 01:09:18,560
» Yeah. I mean, it's right out there. I've
had several people that live in my

886
01:09:16,640 --> 01:09:22,960
subdivision say, "Hey, what's going on
with this? We can't leave our trash out

887
01:09:20,960 --> 01:09:26,239
on the road, and that's right next to a
stop sign.

888
01:09:24,080 --> 01:09:30,319
» Last time we went there, they had it
rented a bunch of places rented out in

889
01:09:28,960 --> 01:09:33,759
there. So, it wasn't being used like
short-term rentals. It was more

890
01:09:31,600 --> 01:09:38,239
long-term, and that was the garbage for
all the people there. So, I don't know

891
01:09:35,440 --> 01:09:42,000
who owns it, but I think they're renting
it out more long-term. Some of the

892
01:09:40,640 --> 01:09:47,520
» Yeah, I believe it.
>> The the person who owns it is renting it

893
01:09:43,920 --> 01:09:53,839
for his employees or work
for his employees to work here. So, that

894
01:09:50,960 --> 01:09:56,480
might have been a while ago. So, still
it should be on the rideway.

895
01:09:55,360 --> 01:09:59,920
» Oh, sorry. What was that?
>> I say still it shouldn't be on the

896
01:09:57,840 --> 01:10:04,239
rightway. The one on third South
>> Third South move. Yeah,

897
01:10:01,600 --> 01:10:05,600
» that was nice cuz it was right on the
road.

898
01:10:04,880 --> 01:10:09,520
» Yeah,
>> hit it with a man. It's gone. It's okay.

899
01:10:08,080 --> 01:10:13,360
» Okay, we'll look into it.
>> And I didn't

900
01:10:11,760 --> 01:10:17,040
I've gotten a lot of questions about
lushes on the corner. Are there parking

901
01:10:15,679 --> 01:10:21,920
problems?
>> A lot. And I said, I don't know a whole

902
01:10:19,920 --> 01:10:23,120
lot. We're working with that one, aren't
we, Jill?

903
01:10:22,480 --> 01:10:25,920
» Yes, we are.
>> That's in.

904
01:10:23,760 --> 01:10:29,120
» So, I'll find out. I'll see if I I find
anything.

905
01:10:26,320 --> 01:10:31,520
» He is in violation. The scary is so they
park on the bridge.

906
01:10:30,560 --> 01:10:35,199
» Yes.
>> Just barely get a car across the bridge.

907
01:10:34,239 --> 01:10:42,640
» Yeah.
>> Yeah. Um his his uh plan shows parking

908
01:10:40,560 --> 01:10:44,159
in the back which he has not. Anyway,
we're working on that.

909
01:10:43,520 --> 01:10:46,239
» Okay.
>> Yes,

910
01:10:44,719 --> 01:10:50,120
» those only things I had.
>> Awesome. Anything else?

911
01:10:50,880 --> 01:10:57,679
If not, um
again, Senator, thanks for being here.

912
01:10:55,440 --> 01:11:02,159
Appreciate it. love to have you anytime.
Appreciate your comments. Um I would

913
01:10:59,840 --> 01:11:07,360
entertain a a final motion.
>> Come on, Mike.

914
01:11:02,880 --> 01:11:12,920
» I'll make a motion that we uh adjourn.
>> Second.

915
01:11:08,320 --> 01:11:12,920
» Okay, we're adjourned. Thank you.