[0:00] come to realize that unless we're
willing to give up the modern
[0:04] technology,
somebody's got to provide that for us
[0:08] and are we going to send it out of the
US and most people are scared of those
[0:14] possibilities.
>> Mhm.
[0:15] » But yet, uh this [snorts] is a tough one
to solve.
[0:19] » And and we've got I think we've got 15
data centers in the state right now with
[0:24] need of that much more. If we quit using
the technology, we wouldn't need it.
[0:31] [snorts] But we bring in a lot. I mean,
our population, look at your little
[0:36] town. How many people have you
increased? And have we brought the
[0:39] infrastructure along with it? So, all in
due time, I mean, you guys are doing it
[0:45] right. And we were talking about, you
know, the importance of planning for all
[0:49] of this stuff. And we we go we a lot of
times we we build hopefully for the
[0:57] future and we have to bond in that but
we don't go into debt to the point where
[1:00] you know we can't see ourselves getting
out of it. But if we don't have that
[1:03] foresight our grandkids, our great
grandkids will have to go someplace else
[1:08] to live and and you guys are tasked to
have that vision. So
[1:12] » thanks.
>> Thank you, [snorts]
[1:15] » Senator. Thanks for being here. Really
appreciate you. Um I've worked with you
[1:19] on several things so thank you. Uh one
formal request as um this came city
[1:26] council with respect any time when um
our opportunity to govern for our
[1:32] community comes up will you please
protect our right to do that. That's
[1:35] just I'm just asking that is with with
all respect available.
[1:40] I think in my body there's only like
four of us that have served either
[1:46] county or a city
and so when you harp on it you feel like
[1:51] beating a dead horse but they need to
understand there's a cost to it.
[1:55] » We appreciate you harping on it. Thank
you.
[1:58] Anything else? Um I appreciate Senator
Winton coming tonight and we'd welcome
[2:02] you any night and love to have you.
Uh, next item on the agenda is approval
[2:08] of the August 11th um, 2026 city council
meeting minutes. Comments, questions,
[2:13] concerns.
[2:18] » I would entertain a motion.
>> I'll make a motion that we approve the
[2:22] Chem City Council meeting minutes from
August 11th, 2026 as written.
[2:29] » I'll second that.
>> Have a motion in a second. Is there any
[2:32] are there any f further questions?
All in favor? I
[2:37] » opposed. That's unanimous. Next item on
the agenda is the approval of the
[2:42] invoice register dated September 3rd,
2026. Questions, comments, concerns? If
[2:49] you ask question, would you please
reference the page number? So hopefully
[2:53] we can follow along.
>> Hey Dave, curious. Did uh Trina get that
[2:57] check?
>> Yes, she did.
[2:59] » Okay.
>> Yes.
[3:01] » Which is very much appreciated. Do you
know what they're doing with it?
[3:06] » I think what they are doing with it. I
shouldn't speak for them. Why am I
[3:10] speaking for them? Um, so what? Check.
>> Let's talk about So everybody's on the
[3:16] same page.
>> What? 30,000.
[3:18] What page are we on?
>> Uh, yeah, I just saw it. There's one
[3:22] there's a check written to American
Legion uh auxiliary and it's for the
[3:27] Fiesta Days. Um, it says Fiesta Day's
fundraiser or something. Charity charity
[3:35] there. [clears throat] Okay. What page
are we on? Page three.
[3:38] » Page three. Okay.
>> So, just and just so everybody's aware
[3:42] is what happened was uh Indian
Motorcycles sponsored the ride. The
[3:47] money that I didn't spend for the event
left $230. And we verified uh Kim
[3:54] verified with the auditor that it was
okay to take that money and donate it
[3:59] towards the same causes that I'm working
on. So Kim got the check written to you
[4:04] and then I also want to have another
cash donation to bring Trina as well. So
[4:08] » that's great.
>> So that's good.
[4:10] » I try to do that a little bit every year
just to help out the veterans along with
[4:13] the primary children. So,
>> so what I think they're going to be
[4:16] doing with that is they are uh kind of a
a lottery system where they are getting
[4:23] people to uh suggest a veteran. They may
not be able to afford a brick on their
[4:29] own
>> and they'll buy the brick for that and
[4:31] they've identified you guys as the uh as
the donors for this. So,
[4:37] » and yeah, that's that's all I wanted was
or that's what I was hoping was those
[4:43] that can't afford it or are not aware of
it that this money will help continue to
[4:47] put bricks down with names on it. So,
good.
[4:51] » Okay. Thank you.
>> Thanks, Larry.
[4:54] » Other comments, Lesie.
>> Just a couple. Uh, page one.
[4:58] » Yes.
>> Last line item. Sell Summit Fire
[5:01] Protection. Did I didn't look back at my
last invoice register. Did we pay this
[5:05] last time, Kim? Or were there two or was
that the fire department and they're
[5:09] separate?
>> We had them come another time to do our
[5:12] building exposures.
>> Oh, that might
[5:16] » This is This says Fiesta Day's EMS
coverage. So,
[5:20] » this is a different invoice.
>> We haven't since last year.
[5:24] » Okay. Maybe it was fire or something.
>> Fire, but Trevor's right. There is
[5:29] another one for that company on here.
>> Okay.
[5:34] And last time was Fiesta extinguishers.
This time it was to fix the ones here in
[5:39] the city hall.
>> Great fire and security.
[5:45] » And then I just noticed a couple of
grants on here for police radio. So
[5:50] whomever is responsible for applying for
those grants. Thank you.
[5:53] » That would be Brad. Yep.
>> Thank you, Brad. I appreciate that. I
[5:57] like to see Grant on here with an
expense.
[6:01] and the Thrillshare media. This is on
page five. That's the website.
[6:09] And then just a couple of others. The
high quality cleaning. Is that just like
[6:13] a deep clean of two of our buildings?
>> The windows.
[6:17] » The windows.
>> Thank you.
[6:24] [snorts]
>> I I guess I I'll ask the question. Rocky
[6:28] Mountain Power. There is the uh
>> would you reference a page?
[6:32] » Yeah. What page are we am I on? Uh page
one.
[6:35] » Oh, [laughter] we're first hang first of
all. Lesie, did you have Sorry. No, that
[6:40] was everything. You have [clears throat]
it was everything. Okay, Dave. Page one.
[6:43] Thank you.
>> Page one. City Hall EV charger. Uh
[6:47] probably says parks for $212. Uh Scott,
did you put this together?
[6:52] » I did.
>> All right, cool. Tell us what we're
[6:54] looking at.
>> What's that?
[6:56] » I didn't put that in the department
report.
[6:58] » Oh, you were? Okay. I I will wait until
the department report.
[7:02] » You okay to cover it then, Dave?
>> Yep.
[7:03] » Okay.
>> All right.
[7:08] » Any other questions on the invoice
register?
[7:11] If not, I would entertain a motion.
>> Okay. I'll make a motion that we approve
[7:15] the invoice register dated September
3rd, 2026.
[7:19] » I'll second. Have
>> a motion and a second. Is there any
[7:23] further discussion?
>> All in favor? I
[7:27] » I
>> opposed.
[7:28] » It's unanimous.
Next item on the agenda is public
[7:32] comment. This is the public's
opportunity to comment on items that are
[7:36] not on the agenda. So, if you have a
comment, please come to the podium,
[7:40] state your name for the record, and
present your comment. If you would be,
[7:44] please be courteous of uh your with your
time and anyone else that has a comment,
[7:49] that would be appreciated. So, public
comment is open.
[7:56] Seeing nobody rushed to the podium since
they're not here, um I will close public
[8:02] comment
[8:06] and we'll move on to the next item. Next
item is a possible resolution. What
[8:12] number would that be, Kim? If
[8:17] » 2026-06
[8:20] » 2026-06,
[8:23] a resolution authorizing an authorizing
an employer pickup of employee
[8:28] retirement contributions.
So, um I'm I'm sure you've all seen the
[8:34] documentation in the Dropbox and what
that talks about is the unique situation
[8:42] um with the tier 2 public safety
retirement system and how that applies
[8:47] to our new employee and the um required
contribution from the city and the
[8:53] leftover remaining amount. And if you
have read through that, you understand
[8:58] that the city's required to pay 14%
Um the total cost is 19.98%.
[9:05] So the question before you tonight and I
guess my request is is that the city
[9:10] cover the 5.98%
for our new employee and um recognize
[9:17] that she is kind of the succession plan
and she is she is um not paid as much as
[9:24] she could possibly be paid in some other
areas and that we cover this for her to
[9:28] help compensate uh for her uh being an
officer in our city. Having said that,
[9:34] um I will open it up for comment or
discussion from the council.
[9:43] » I can speak first. Sure. I um I was
happy to reach out to Matt cuz I didn't
[9:49] understand what this was and so I he
explained it to me and it sounds to me
[9:54] like we
pay this on behalf of we pay full
[10:01] contributions on behalf of all of our
other employees. So I'm not sure why we
[10:05] wouldn't do it for the latest one that
we hired. And so I am in favor of this
[10:13] proposal.
>> Um I will mention that this tier 2
[10:18] public safety is unique in that this
amount is asked for or the city um is
[10:25] only required to cover a portion of it.
It's the only position that we have that
[10:30] it's that way this tier 2. And so I'm
not totally
[10:35] sure I understand the logic behind that
but that's the case. So thank you
[10:38] Wesley. The other comments
>> you're saying that in the tier one and
[10:42] all other employees there is no option.
We're paying all of the all of the
[10:47] pension costs.
>> That is correct.
[10:49] » Okay. All right. It's just this tier 2
>> public.
[10:53] Okay. All right.
>> Yes, that's correct.
[10:55] » I looked at it. It's uh the budget
impacts pretty dimminimous.
[10:59] » Yeah. What's the monetary amount
>> like as we start out right now? What's
[11:03] it?
>> Um, it's it's about $130 a a month.
[11:08] Well,
>> it's about six Yeah, about$130 a pay
[11:13] period. So,
>> yeah,
[11:14] » it's it's $3,000 a year.
>> Um
[11:18] something in that neighborhood. And I
>> I I feel like um
[11:24] if we value
uh that new employee, then this doesn't
[11:29] feel like something that should hang
that up.
[11:37] seems like a pretty insignificant amount
to me. So, I'm good with it.
[11:44] It feels like we're just putting her on
an equitable basis with the rest of the
[11:49] employees. So, I'm good with this.
>> Is this a plan that she would pick or is
[11:56] it like a fund that she picks or is it
just specifically for public safety?
[12:02] So, go ahead. Tier 2 has some unique
differences from tier one. Um, tier 2
[12:11] has a couple of different ways that
employees can choose. One of them is a
[12:15] hybrid where there's a piece of a
pension and a piece of a 401k and then
[12:19] there and then there's a plan that's
just 401k. And I'm not probably up on it
[12:24] as much as Kim on the differences. Um
but but if you were a tier 2 public
[12:31] public works employee, you wouldn't have
this requirement because you would be in
[12:34] the regular retirement version instead
of the public safety version. And so so
[12:40] it's again unique to just that one
position that we have right now.
[12:45] » So it's not like a like a fund that she
can choose this um I don't know like
[12:51] with the school you could choose which
funds to to invest in. It's nothing that
[12:56] way. It's
>> It's not the breakdowns employee or URS
[13:01] person. That's what she gets, right?
>> It's not a breakdown of the 401k
[13:05] options. I think that's what you're
describing. It's not that. It's the It's
[13:09] the actual pension retirement system
itself.
[13:12] » Okay.
>> So, any other police officer that we
[13:14] hire would get the same thing
>> over if they're in tier two?
[13:19] » Yes. And we currently have one in tier
one, two that are retired and not um
[13:26] involved in the retirement contribution,
although there are some benefit
[13:30] contributions too. So one in tier one
and this one in tier 2.
[13:37] » Okay.
[13:42] » Uh hearing no more comments, I would
entertain a motion.
[13:47] Just one thing on the resolution that we
have. It talks about the KA city council
[13:53] um approves a city administrator and the
mayor authorized to undertake all the
[13:58] necessary actions. Who would we be?
Who's the city administrator?
[14:04] » The mayor.
>> So we could take out the city
[14:07] administrator and have mayor.
>> Yes. Okay.
[14:13] So, if a motion's made, would you
include that correction in the
[14:16] resolution?
>> Yes.
[14:20] » I'll make a motion that we pass
resolution number 2026-06
[14:25] with one change in the now therefore
paragraph. We're going to delete the
[14:31] words city administrator and
[14:36] » I'll second that.
>> All right. I have a motion in a second.
[14:40] Is there any further discussion?
Larry,
[14:44] » yes.
>> Mike,
[14:46] » yes.
>> Lesie,
[14:48] » yes.
>> David,
[14:50] » yes.
>> Monica,
[14:52] » yes.
>> Thank you. That's great.
[14:55] Okay. Next item on the agenda is the
discussion to establish a municipal
[14:59] water conservation incentive program.
um for um maybe your understanding,
[15:08] Senator, I'll tell you what we're kind
of looking at doing and and um hoping to
[15:13] um maybe capture what it was brought to
our attention that some of the um
[15:19] elderly folks on fixed income struggle
to pay water bill and and and struggle
[15:24] to um cover all their costs and end up
using um a minimal amount of water year
[15:34] round most of the time. So, we we talked
about a way to
[15:40] um we talked away about a way to uh work
with those folks
[15:46] to um give them some sort of break on
their water rates. There are ways to do
[15:51] that with property taxes, but it
requires a lot of administration,
[15:55] requires a lot of um extra work. It
requires
[16:00] um it requires submitting some some
income levels and some things like that.
[16:06] What this what this um option is
intended to do is is is come up with a
[16:13] rate that a a a monthly gallons rate
that we believe is low enough that some
[16:20] of those folks could benefit from a
credit from the of their water bill if
[16:24] they're less than that many gallons. At
>> [clears throat]
[16:26] » least that's that's the direction this
conversation is going. And so I don't
[16:31] know if there's anything like that
anywhere else you've seen, but we're
[16:34] trying to um we're trying to help
not tax our older folks out of their
[16:42] homes and and in a way that's um
reasonably simple that doesn't take a
[16:47] lot of administrative time and and and
oversight and do it in a in a way that's
[16:52] responsible to the community. So that's
the conversation about this particular
[16:56] topic. And tonight we don't vote on
anything because we still have to have a
[16:59] public hearing and some of those things.
But this is this is a second look at
[17:04] this at this um literature based on um
some comments from the last meeting and
[17:11] some corrections from our attorney. So
that's what we'll be talking about.
[17:15] So uh I guess everybody reviewed those
comments. I had I had um this put in
[17:23] Dropbox with the comments from our
attorney so that everybody could see
[17:27] kind of what he was thinking based on
the questions we had asked and sent back
[17:30] to him. And so um
where would where would you like to
[17:36] start? Right at the top.
>> We can start there, but I would like to
[17:41] hear from Kim or someone to see if we've
talked to Cassell before we have this
[17:46] discussion. what options are available
so that we are not overloading staff
[17:51] with some decision that we we would
make.
[17:55] » As far as I know, did you talk to Dory
about
[17:57] » I haven't did she didn't she wasn't
there today. I I know that um the idea
[18:03] of a some of the other options that were
discussed with with the income and stuff
[18:08] creates quite a quite an issue with
administrative time and and so I know
[18:13] that there is is a battle there and I
think that that um
[18:19] our attorney highlighted that in this
that that still needs to happen. As you
[18:23] know, Dory wasn't in today. Um, and we
still need to close that loop before we
[18:28] um do anything in a public hearing. Um,
as far as as far as that credit,
[18:36] » I think that's a pretty important issue
to cover before we really get into the
[18:41] weeds of this because we need to know
what we're working with before uh before
[18:46] we jump into this. In my opinion, it'd
be nice to have Dory explain what
[18:51] Cassell can do.
So we would maybe know how automated
[18:56] it's going to be and how we can filter
it and
[19:01] » right because if we can give a credit if
it's easier to do a credit every month
[19:05] it's just based upon gallons versus a
quarterly credit or whatever we're
[19:09] looking at all a bunch of our decisions
and discussion will kind of turn on what
[19:15] she's able to do and what's automatic
versus manual
[19:20] review of everything.
>> I know we can I we can go down through
[19:26] this if we choose to. My opinion is we
veered off from what I thought our
[19:31] original intention was. Um I I can
appreciate the fact that we want to
[19:37] promote water conservation,
but I don't know that this is in line
[19:42] with helping our elderly as much as we
would like. And I don't know what the
[19:48] unintended consequences are of maybe
uh the winter months. I mean, picking
[19:54] that right amount of water, we could
really get hit hard if we don't do it
[19:58] correctly in the winter. But are we
promoting to some people to save 20
[20:03] bucks to burn up their yards, too? I
mean, to me, I I don't know. I don't
[20:07] know that we're catching it the right
way that booklet that Mike handed out
[20:10] that works with mag. I I know it would
be a be hard, but maybe we could work
[20:16] with Craig Vanassel at the senior
citizens to to go around and help the
[20:22] seniors that can qualify for that. Maybe
go about doing it that way where they
[20:26] can get assistance for different
utilities. Correct. And I I mean it
[20:32] wouldn't be easy, but if we had somebody
maybe train somebody like Craig or
[20:36] somebody that would help work with the
seniors to do that application, I feel
[20:40] like something like that is more in line
for
[20:43] what we want to do to help the seniors
than um than this. I I I know we can do
[20:50] it for a test run for a year and see uh
and you know that would be okay. But
[20:56] again, my opinion is we veered from what
our original intentions were with this,
[21:01] which is what I want to do. I want to
help the seniors. I want to help those
[21:04] that's lived here forever and, you know,
give them a little bit of break. I don't
[21:08] necessarily want to give myself a break
cuz I'm not going to be here in the
[21:11] winter, so I'll qualify for it. You
know, I I don't know. I'd like to see it
[21:15] melt better just right into to helping
the seniors. So, that's kind of my soap
[21:20] box before we get going.
I I agree, Larry. And uh and I think we
[21:28] would have to put some guard rails on
there because as we as we talked before,
[21:33] just our winter usage would all of a
sudden qualify all of these accounts
[21:38] that had no intention of conservation or
low income or anything to that effect.
[21:43] It's just the nature of not using any
water during the winter. So, we'd have
[21:47] to put some guard rails and say the this
is only effective during the summer
[21:51] months or something to that effect. It's
for the people that are truly
[21:54] conserving. I did though, and maybe if
we do not want to make a decision
[22:01] tonight, I'll take it upon myself. I did
look and noticed and I'm going to pass
[22:06] this out to you guys. There is a uh the
city of Midvil has a application
[22:15] um
has an application where
[22:20] you can get a reduced utility rate if
you qualify if you qualify for the
[22:25] property tax reduction as as you know
verified by Salt Lake County. So if you
[22:32] can go in there and you don't have to
give them your income numbers. you've
[22:36] already given them their you've already
given Salt Lake County your income
[22:39] numbers in order to get the property tax
abatement already. So, all you'd have to
[22:43] do is just go in there and show them
your property tax bill that shows that
[22:47] you've got a reduced um uh circuit
breaker or re reduced uh property taxes
[22:54] because of your income level. And so on
the front end on the customerf facing
[23:00] this is pretty easy. This is a one-page
application, but I will call Midvil and
[23:06] ask them, okay, you've had this in
place. It sounds like they they passed
[23:11] this resolution clear back in 2010. Um,
and that supports this. They've had this
[23:18] program in place. I'll ask them just how
much of an administrative hassle this
[23:22] is, if this is in their in their um
opinion if this is worth it or not. Um
[23:30] uh and and see what happens here. Um
another thing, and I'm glad the
[23:37] senator's here, uh you know, in my
investigation for looking at water rates
[23:42] and stuff like that, I actually noticed
something that was actually on the flip
[23:46] side where there was a House Bill 501
which was called water modifications.
[23:51] Um and and
Senator Sandal was the sponsor of it on
[23:58] the Senate. It never did pass the
Senate. It went to the House. Passed the
[24:02] House. And it was the one where they
were saying, "If you're going to get any
[24:06] type of u uh state assistance for any
type of water or sewer infrastructure,
[24:12] we expect that your water bills would be
3% of your modified AGI of your
[24:20] constituents." So, it got shot down
quite a bit because it was an average
[24:24] and it was um for if it's 3% for the
average, that means there's a lot of
[24:30] people that would be probably be paying
a whole lot more than that. So, it was a
[24:35] pretty regressive tax, but that's what's
coming out of the legislature is is
[24:41] bills like that that are saying you're
going to you're going to charge a
[24:45] minimum. So, we were talking about our
our rates, our combined rates of 88
[24:52] bucks for water and sewer. Uh would say
that uh an income of right around
[24:57] $35,000
is 3% max.
[25:03] And that is, you know, $10,000 less than
what the county or the state is allowing
[25:08] for property tax abatements. I think the
property tax abatement is at the $45,000
[25:14] level this year.
So somewhere in that neighborhood is
[25:18] what I was uh thinking
would be would someone would qualify for
[25:25] that here in Cameas. So uh just
>> so would it be as easy to qualify as
[25:30] this same letter here like Midvvel's
doing?
[25:33] » I don't know. I'm going to check. I mean
all the and it is called it's called um
[25:40] application for you reduced utility
rates in Midvil City in their website.
[25:45] Okay. And um and they say just bring
your property tax bill in and and it
[25:50] shows I seen and it shows that if the
county is has reduced your property
[25:57] taxes because you qualified for the
state income thresholds then or or as
[26:03] they said if you're in the military
actively deployed in the military then
[26:08] you get it too as well. I like that.
>> But I will I mean I don't know just how
[26:12] much of administrative hassle this is to
Midville.
[26:16] I kind of like I like this because it's
I mean it's just something that if one
[26:21] it opens this the applicants um another
door for them to have reduced rate on
[26:27] their property taxes maybe they wouldn't
have known that plus it's it's pretty
[26:31] streamlined just to bring it into the
city and say here you go I mean that
[26:35] takes the work off our end right and it
maybe makes them feel a little bit more
[26:39] and they don't feel like they have to
give those numbers to people that they
[26:43] might know right they've already looked
a little um confidentiality I guess. I
[26:46] don't know. My question is um what does
a thousand dollar a,000 gallons a month
[26:52] look like in usage? That's probably
really fast, right?
[26:56] » I always like watch my house. So, I have
five people I have two women that take
[27:01] baths every day.
>> Is this going to be a sexist remark
[27:04] someone? [laughter]
>> I just want people to pay attention.
[27:08] » We average 8 to 9,000 gallons a month.
>> 8 to 9,000.
[27:11] » And we water I water my lawn every day.
I don't have a big yard by any means,
[27:15] but so when I see people that go through
30 to 40,000 gallons a month or more
[27:21] blows my mind.
>> Is that my house, Trevor? Sorry.
[27:24] » Oh, [laughter] no. No, that's my house,
too.
[27:27] » I guess I guess without without naming
name like what what property in the city
[27:32] is
>> it's generally people with really big
[27:34] yards that are very lush and green.
>> Okay. And then on the flip side, who
[27:39] like what is a low one? Like who?
>> A little I mean we'll have people that
[27:42] won't even go through a thousand gallons
in the month.
[27:44] » We do have a lot that would
>> not a lot but there's definitely a
[27:47] handful that's usually an elderly person
that lives alone.
[27:51] » What about in the winter? Does a lot do
a lot of people besides those people go
[27:56] down go below a thousand? It definitely
drops, but we don't see we see like them
[28:00] people that are going through 50,000
gallons, that falls off a lot. But where
[28:05] we have people run their water through
the winter, usually it almost bumps up a
[28:09] little bit cuz the elderly people are
going up to two or three,000 gallons as
[28:14] opposed to a thousand
>> just cuz their water's running
[28:18] continuously. But generally that number
who is in that thousand I keep saying
[28:22] dollars thousandgallon range that
doesn't really go up in the winter. So
[28:27] it's those basic those few people.
>> Mhm.
[28:30] » Okay.
>> We already offer an incentive though for
[28:34] those people who are not in town in the
winter, right? So they will run their
[28:38] water. We have a winter rate and we um
also have an incentive that says if you
[28:44] leave your water running regardless of
being here or not um the allotment goes
[28:49] to 20,000 gallons instead of 15,000
gallons. So there is that incentive.
[28:55] Yes.
>> Didn't we eliminate that though?
[28:57] » I thought we did.
>> No, it's still in there.
[29:00] » Is it?
>> Uh we still have the 20,000 gallons in
[29:03] the winter if because we tell people
we'll leave their water on. We still
[29:07] have that in there. Yes. And we still
have the winter rate.
[29:09] » What's the one? The travel one or the
people that travel like didn't we do
[29:13] away with that one? Maybe. No, it's
still there, too. We talked about it,
[29:16] but didn't Okay.
>> Yep. It's still there.
[29:20] » In the winter time. I'm I'm I'm having a
hard time thinking anybody could use
[29:24] 15,000 gallons for just indoor use or
20,000.
[29:28] » I'm going to give you an example, and
Trevor will verify this. So, um, my mom
[29:32] had a leaky toilet. The the inside thing
was leaking. It's 39,000 gallons
[29:39] » in the in one month. Well, just one
toilet.
[29:42] » Winter winter's good. That's when we
find a lot of our
[29:45] » Yeah.
>> Yeah. It's It's It's bigger than you
[29:50] think it is.
>> Wow.
[29:51] » Yeah.
>> Okay.
[29:53] » I had Trevor come look at the meter. We
did a bunch of things. She couldn't
[29:57] figure out how come she was using one
month like in the winter she's using
[30:00] less than a thousand and all of a sudden
we went to 39 or 43,000 gallons. She had
[30:04] this overage. Couldn't understand why.
But the the uh the insides of the tank,
[30:11] it was leaking and running and it it
just Yeah, it's it's amazing how much it
[30:16] will use.
>> So, I'm thinking if we did if just
[30:19] trying to peg a gallon did a thousand
and it went up in the winter, we already
[30:24] gave them that credit.
I don't know. Just trying to put a gauge
[30:28] on it.
Well, from from last from last time we
[30:33] discussed this, the analysis was like
there was 88 accounts that used a
[30:38] thousand gallons or less and we were
thinking of a $10 credit. So that's 880
[30:44] bucks a month during the winter time.
There was 88 accounts that used 1,000
[30:48] gallons or less.
>> So that was not very much compared to
[30:52] the 5,000galon.
>> Yeah. where
[30:55] » and that hits the
general dem demographic of people that
[31:01] we're we are assuming are you know who
are on a fixed income are elderly right
[31:07] the whole point is is we don't want to
discriminate right but
[31:10] » that's the that's the other side of what
Brad has written here is
[31:14] » so but to stay true to what our true
purpose was and to alleviate some of
[31:18] this pressure on the on the increase I
think I don't know I'm just thinking a
[31:23] thousand would be a great a good number,
[31:28] but we got to see if Cassell could do
it. So,
[31:31] there's not many under 500, right? I
mean, that's
[31:35] » I don't even know that we read under
500.
[31:38] » They don't they have to hit,000 gallons
before we even read.
[31:41] » Yeah.
>> From the last time.
[31:43] » I just thinking gallons of milkwise
trying to figure at least a thousand
[31:47] gallons of just so
[31:52] great.
But if they use 800 this month and 800
[31:56] next month at some point
>> the following month it'll say they used
[31:58] a thousand.
>> Okay.
[32:05] » So do you want to put this on the on the
back burner until we get the answer on
[32:09] Cassell? Would you like to go through it
like Larry suggested and and see if
[32:13] there's some things that um
>> I don't think we should I mean I just
[32:18] think the time would be better spent if
we knew actually what we could and
[32:21] couldn't do.
we knew what Cassell's doing and have
[32:25] Dave do more research into that
>> that form. I I like that form.
[32:30] » I have no problems calling Midwell and
finding out how much of a hassle this is
[32:35] for them.
And then maybe Dave, can you also find
[32:39] out from Summit County like how do you
know the process for when applying for
[32:45] » I do the real property tax reduction
>> and does that meet our needs that we
[32:50] could if that's really what our intent
was is to help people who were on a
[32:55] fixed income or
>> I do
[32:57] » a lower income.
>> So
[32:59] » you know I mean as I think about it it
is on household income. So, um the
[33:04] property tax abatement really helps
widows or widowers like my mother. Um uh
[33:11] but if you have two two pensions or two
social security checks or something like
[33:16] that, then a lot of people uh uh that
just barely miss it. Just barely miss
[33:21] it. Um and there would be people that I
think qualify, but uh we could uh start
[33:27] with that. I mean, it is a pretty I
mean, you have to be pretty transparent
[33:32] with the county. Um, they do try to make
it uh as easy as possible to go through
[33:38] that and usually you they they do the
income verification pretty quickly. Um,
[33:43] but I would trust that as good enough um
for us to be able to offer a re
[33:52] reduction in the utility rate based upon
their property tax status.
[34:00] based upon this discussion, I think
that's what we were hoping. I mean, I
[34:05] think conserving water is a good option
as well. So, I'm not going to throw
[34:10] totally throw that one out, but I think
the this conversation started because we
[34:15] were trying to help people who
>> needed a reduction in their utility bill
[34:19] because of just income pisses. So my
thought is we go down that road a little
[34:26] bit more and if we want to circle back
out and have a conservation program of
[34:31] sorts, we can certainly have that
discussion as well. But they're two
[34:34] separate things to me.
>> Okay, we will Dave, if you'll close that
[34:40] loop.
>> Sure, we'll do.
[34:42] » In the meantime, I have a question for
you, Senator.
[34:46] years ago, California had a had a bill
that capped property tax or property
[34:52] values for for residents
as long as they lived in the home once
[34:57] it sold in a reset. So, has the
legislature ever considered something
[35:00] like that? And if and if so, what have
you seen have been the problems or do
[35:04] you like that or are you willing to to
have [clears throat] that conversation?
[35:07] What does that look like? That was
probably section 13
[35:11] and we have had that discussion. But
then again um when they sell their home
[35:18] who captures the increase
and
[35:23] is that subject to
family inheritance or capital gains and
[35:28] if so that's another discussion that's
has been in the equation. But yeah,
[35:34] we've had those kind of discussions and
what you're talking about is how do we
[35:39] encourage responsible water use and then
I like the idea that somehow you balance
[35:46] out what the seniors have if it's a a
lower rate monthly and then you
[35:56] average it out and then at the end of
the year there's a true up. [snorts]
[36:00] We've been trying to talk about what is
fair because some people have more usage
[36:07] or more maybe they don't have big yards
but they've got a large family and
[36:12] there's a lot of bats. Um somewhere you
need to decide
[36:20] where do we think is equal to treat
everybody basically the same. And uh the
[36:28] circuit breaker is a good source, but
you're right, there's not everybody that
[36:33] can qualify even though they actually
do, but if they have any rental income
[36:39] or property investment coming in, that
throws them out and yet they're living
[36:44] off from, you know, their retirement. So
that's a process too that there was a
[36:51] discussion to do away with circuit
breakers gets last year and it failed.
[36:56] So
I think we're open to all kinds of
[37:01] suggestions and ideas. Uh but those
discussions have gone on for probably
[37:07] the last five or six years trying to
figure out
[37:11] I mean property tax was one of the worst
things that has happened as far as
[37:17] we don't control the inflation or the uh
appraisal of the property and yet
[37:24] property taxes didn't go up. It's just
that it's assigned that rate and when
[37:30] your values go up.
>> Well, it's just hard when you have um
[37:35] these older folks who who may have paid
$15,000 for a home and now their tax
[37:41] liability is $3,000. And
>> and their monthly payment for their tax
[37:46] liability is twice what their monthly
payment for the mortgage was. And it and
[37:50] it seems unfair.
>> I agree with you 100%. And and
[37:56] you know, from the state level, we don't
get we don't keep any we don't get the
[38:01] property tax. That's all local. So, we
could do a lot of things, but it will
[38:06] come back to to by you guys.
So, how do we do that equitably?
[38:13] » So, what I'm hearing you say is if we
encourage this, then it gets us on the
[38:16] property tax side and the water rate
side. Is that what I'm hearing you say?
[38:23] it because if we encourage them to get
the property tax
[38:29] break, then that reduces the amount of
property tax we get and
[38:35] we get less in the water rate. Is that
what I'm hear? Because that seems like
[38:40] counterproductive to what we're trying
to do as well. Just a thought.
[38:45] » Yeah. If you're, you know, if you're
looking at [laughter] circuit breaker
[38:48] program,
then
[38:58] you're leaving out some people that
should be there, but paperwork wise, the
[39:04] county's already done a lot of the work
for you. If they qualify you for circuit
[39:08] breaker, that's a red flag. You guys
already know that, you know, they're in
[39:13] this field. But those that don't, then
there might have to be another way to
[39:20] bring them into the mix of that.
>> Mayor, do you think there's a lot of
[39:25] people that don't take advantage of the
property tax breaks or low?
[39:29] » I think it has been um at a number
that's been difficult for anyone to
[39:35] qualify, for lots of people to qualify.
I know it was difficult for my mother to
[39:38] qualify. Um maybe a couple hundred or
$1,000. It's really
[39:43] » just over by a couple hundred thousand
or Yeah. Especially if there's two
[39:47] earners still in the household.
>> Yeah.
[39:49] » Instead of just being a single
>> but if we if we take a reduced amount of
[39:53] property tax and reduce
>> Yeah. Well, that's the school districts.
[39:57] » Anyways, thank you. We'll do your
research. Let's come back and have this
[40:01] discussion and see see if there's a way
that we can simply provide some sort of
[40:07] help to
um
[40:12] those that we think would benefit.
>> Dave, is there a report that the county
[40:16] would put out so that we would see how
many people qualified within our city
[40:20] limits? You know, I'll I'll ask I'll ask
the county that because I know they've
[40:25] presented to the uh council, Summit
County Council actually had the option a
[40:31] couple of years ago to the state
mandated amount was like 45 grand or so
[40:37] and and Summit County went up to 48 or
something like that. It was just a few
[40:42] thousand dollar more. I'm I'm probably
making stuff up here, but
[40:47] » here I'll read it though. It says
homeowners tax credit for low-income
[40:51] elderly or widow widow widowerower 67
year old with a two 2025 househ home
[40:57] income up to 44,000. Okay.
>> And then the low income abatement for
[41:01] lowincome elderly 67 years old or any
age dis disabled or any age extreme
[41:07] financial hardship with a 2025 household
income up to 53,000.
[41:14] You also have the veterans exception
>> too.
[41:18] » That's true.
>> Which is not but it's the same thing.
[41:21] » Same. And but that's not income
threshold at all on that one, isn't it?
[41:25] It's just deployment active deployment,
isn't it? Yes.
[41:29] » And this is this is one if anybody's uh
watching us, it the applications are due
[41:35] like right now. I know they give a
>> it's a September
[41:39] » September 1st is what they're saying on
the website, but I do know they give a
[41:42] grace period out there.
>> Disability.
[41:47] » You have to apply every year.
>> I think you get every year. You do have
[41:50] to apply. Yes,
>> man.
[41:53] » Yeah.
>> Seems like once you qualify, you should
[41:56] be grandfathered into the program.
>> Once you're determined to be in need, it
[42:00] seems like you're in need. I don't know.
All right, Dave, you do the research.
[42:04] We'll come back and have the
conversation again
[42:07] » and um in the meantime I'll talk with
Dory and see what's
[42:12] » what's possible in Cassell.
>> Great.
[42:15] » Okay.
>> Uh next item on the agenda is a schedule
[42:18] work session for uh to discuss our
fiesta days.
[42:23] And um I have mentioned um that uh we
have one of the people who is um a major
[42:32] part of our fiesta days that works u
Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday until 700
[42:37] p.m. And so if we want to schedule it on
a Monday, Tuesday or Wednesday, then
[42:42] then um 7:30ish time frame would would
be more appropriate or or we can look at
[42:46] a Thursday and and sit down and have a
conversation about yesterday's. We have
[42:52] some I think we have some things that we
need to make some decisions on um in
[42:56] preparation for next year. So
>> um what does everybody think on on a
[43:05] on a date? Really?
>> Do we know what our agenda looks like
[43:09] coming up maybe in two weeks?
>> No,
[43:13] » not really an idea. And um again,
we could get done with the agenda at 7
[43:18] and then have to sit around until 7:30
when that person came,
[43:22] » right?
>> So it'd be better if we could schedule
[43:24] it independent of a city council meeting
because No, I just don't know what I
[43:29] just don't know. We
>> Well, for me though, if I'm already
[43:32] here, I just soon wait 30 minutes and
still do that as come back a separate
[43:36] night to discuss. So I I just, you know,
if I'm locked in, I just lock in and and
[43:43] do it. But
>> I I agree. I can wait around till after
[43:48] 7:30 and then have it then starting at
7:30.
[43:53] » So we want So So you're saying 7:30 on
the 22nd?
[43:57] » That would be my preference, but
>> it seems um
[44:01] » Yep.
>> Yeah.
[44:02] » Why not? Let's try it.
[44:10] » All right.
We will plan on that.
[44:16] » Next item on the agenda is department
reports. [sighs and gasps]
[44:19] Um Jill,
[44:25] so the planning commission
has approved the Highar Ranch Northbench
[44:31] preliminary subdivision. So that is
moving forward and they are still
[44:36] working on the helicopter ordinance and
the conditional uses.
[44:48] You're on top of the job.
>> I got
[44:56] Okay,
Scott.
[45:00] All right. First, um I'll go over this
EV power usage thing. um me and Kim gave
[45:05] me a few bills to look at and then we
looked at the I looked at the usage of
[45:11] actual um what the EV users pulled in
the kilowatt hours. So, if you look at
[45:17] the first column, it says Rocky Mountain
Power Chargers. That's what our charge
[45:19] was for the month. And then the total
kilowatts was what they charged us for.
[45:26] And then the the EVs used the next
column, that's how many kilowatt hours
[45:32] they used. And I put a percentage um of
what the kilowatt hours for the EV was.
[45:38] Um they're usually, you know, depending
on the usage around 80 80 85% or so. And
[45:45] then um I put the cost for the kilowatt
hours for the what the EV used um and
[45:53] then subtracted that from what rather
Rocky Mountain Power charge is. And it's
[45:58] it's kind of a little bit deceiving
because there's about 10 other charges,
[46:02] six or eight other charges that um Rocky
Mount Power charges us. And one is a $10
[46:08] set fee we get charged no matter what.
And then the other taxes and stuff are
[46:13] kind of based on the usage. So, as the
usage goes up, you know, some of the EV
[46:17] charges will increase those a little
bit, but they're not significant. So, I
[46:22] didn't want to go through and break down
each one of those and make it more
[46:25] complicated. But, so you can kind of see
that um you know, the the EV um is using
[46:31] a lot of the kilowatt hours that um
we have on that. Um,
[46:38] and I know we put up some signs that say
no overnight parking there recently and
[46:44] don't know if that's kind of changed um
some of the usage. I know that the staff
[46:49] has noticed that some of the cars aren't
parked there overnight anymore. Um, so
[46:53] that helps. But so that's that's kind of
what the um
[46:59] what the power shows. you know, there's
they're using the a significant amount
[47:03] of the bill each month is for the the EV
power charge that we're the city's
[47:07] paying and citizens are using. So So
that's what I have to report on that.
[47:12] Any questions?
Yeah, I I'm looking at the math and I'm
[47:17] struggling. Okay. So, I understand
the total kilowatts and the EV
[47:24] kilowatts, but I if I look at the
dollars, just the dollars, EV kilowatts
[47:28] and dollars for the restroom and flag
lights.
[47:32] » Mhm.
>> Those don't match the percent of EV
[47:37] usage. And so, I'm just kind of trying
to make that make sense in my mind.
[47:41] » So, the the EV kilowatt usage, um, I
didn't put the total charge for the
[47:47] kilowatt hours in there. I just took the
percentage of what the um because they
[47:52] charge us specifically for the kilowatt
hours. Um so I took the rate that they
[47:57] charged and um times it by the
percentage to get um how much the
[48:05] kilowatt hours used is.
>> So So that's that's straight cost for
[48:10] the kilowatt hours is that for what the
EB used.
[48:13] » So I'm looking at let's just look at the
top one.
[48:16] » It's $107.80. 80s
and it's broken down 61.82 for the EV
[48:23] and 4598 for the lights and flag uh flag
lights in the restroom. But that doesn't
[48:29] match the percent of EVU kilowatt. So
I'm trying to understand
[48:35] » so the
>> does that make sense?
[48:37] » The percentage is is not based on the
total bill. That's not 80 86% of the
[48:42] bill. It's 86% of the kilowatt hours.
And I I don't have the bill in front of
[48:48] me or I could I can break that out and
show you what the the charge was for the
[48:52] kilowatt hours.
That make sense? So it's it's kind of
[48:58] deceiving because the the 45 and the 61,
it's not um 61 isn't 86% of the bill.
[49:05] » That's what I'm saying. That doesn't
make sense.
[49:07] » It's only 86% of what was charged for
the kilowatt hours.
[49:10] » The fees and stuff I think that he
explained before. Yeah, because there's
[49:14] about six or eight other fees that are
charged,
[49:17] » right,
>> in addition to the kilowatt hours that
[49:20] are included in the 45.
>> And so you're saying those fees would be
[49:24] there. If we just dropped the uh EV
charger, those fees would probably be
[49:29] there,
the lights and the restroom out there.
[49:32] » Yeah, they'd still be there, but they'd
be a little bit less because they're a
[49:35] little bit higher.
>> Some of them are depending on usage.
[49:38] Yeah. Yeah. But the majority of them are
they're just there
[49:41] » like a fee or something like that.
>> So all the fees though are in like the
[49:47] column with the restroom and flag
lights. That's where they're at. So
[49:50] that's where it is. Okay. Makes sense
then cuz that's
[49:53] » you take them out then you'd be to that
86% problem.
[49:56] » Yep.
>> Yeah. I can make that make sense.
[49:59] » Yeah.
>> Yeah. I I couldn't get there.
[50:01] » No. Yeah. But that does that makes sense
now where you put that. So, so we put so
[50:07] we put the no overnight parking signs up
there and and I and Kim and I talked we
[50:11] noticed that that there hadn't been the
vehicles there. Is is that something the
[50:16] council wants to get a couple of months
more data before we decide
[50:21] a path to go down with charging or do
you want to you want to take that road
[50:25] now?
>> I think well I I'm okay waiting a couple
[50:29] of months. I mean, we just approved an
invoice register that showed Rocky
[50:34] Mountain Power paying $211. So, it's
going to be up here. And so, if if it's
[50:39] $211, then probably the EV charge is
going to be somewhere north of $108,
[50:45] probably 150 bucks or so. Um, and then I
think it's up to us to decide whether or
[50:50] not
we if if it's a if it's going to average
[50:54] 150 bucks a month
at least during the
[50:59] » all that charger.
>> Was it last fall?
[51:02] » No, it's been about a year and a half
almost years I think.
[51:10] » Spring.
>> I'd be curious during the winter months
[51:14] how much it dropped. people not want to
freeze their butts off and walk over
[51:18] here to charge it in the summer when
it's nice they park it and charge it. So
[51:23] when the lady when the lady kept keeping
it overnight, we got her finally moved
[51:27] this night to come in the dumpster and I
came in early like4 to 6 and as I was
[51:32] pulling out with the backo, she was
pulling in to charge it up at 6:00 in
[51:36] the morning. [laughter]
I stopped and watched and she got out
[51:40] just walked over
there.
[51:46] » We installed these for our residents,
right, to use, I guess. Um, we got a
[51:52] grant for the EV charger and we
installed it as a kind of a component of
[51:57] the park upgrade. And so I don't know
that it was [snorts] I don't know that
[52:01] it was directly related to residents
more so than just a convenience and an
[52:07] opportunity because we got a grant to
install the charger.
[52:14] » How much was the grant?
>> $40,000
[52:17] I think 40 is that right, Scott? 40,000.
>> Yeah. And the county um when we when we
[52:23] were looking into this, the county um
they installed some too. They have some
[52:27] over there. And I called the talked to
them to see how much they charged. And
[52:32] they don't charge for the slow chargers
like this one. They do charge for their
[52:36] fast chargers that they have over by
Gimble Center or wherever it is over
[52:40] there. Um but anywhere where they have
the the slow chargers like this one,
[52:44] they charge. And I think
>> I don't know if that was it. I just
[52:48] think we're if our if obviously it's our
residents using them, right? And it was
[52:53] something that was
grant, you know, it was a grant that was
[52:57] given to us. I I think I mean unless
these numbers get wildly out of control,
[53:01] I think we should just
let them use it, you know, as a
[53:06] convenience of being a city resident.
My concern is if it's going to if the
[53:14] usage is picked up to where it's 150
bucks a month and it's $1,800 a year
[53:20] going to one or two residents. Is that
fair to the other 2,200 residents
[53:27] in CAS that we're we're paying? I mean,
hey, I'll take 900 bucks. [laughter]
[53:34] » I mean I mean it's it's so limited.
>> Yeah. Maybe a 500 to fill my truck up
[53:39] every once in a while.
>> I don't know. Rip it out. Don't let
[53:43] anyone use it.
>> My charge goes to the gas pump. I don't
[53:46] know.
>> Scott, there's just one outlier on this
[53:51] paper that I'm trying to wrap my head
around. If you look at May through June,
[53:56] the restroom and flag lights went up
from $18 to 100. And it seems like the
[54:01] average is about 45. Like like I said,
it's with all those other fees
[54:06] » without breaking up all those other
fees.
[54:08] » Yeah.
>> With the high usage for that month,
[54:11] » those fees went up too. So it it kind of
brings those other fees up too. So it's
[54:15] kind of misleading. I
>> probably should have just left that off
[54:19] and said this is how much the the power
charges.
[54:23] Um because it's it's misleading and you
know if we really wanted to I could go
[54:27] through and try to break out those other
taxes and see how you know how they're
[54:31] affected with the
>> No. I don't think we need any additional
[54:35] work. I just it's just weird when I look
at the restroom and flag lights how it
[54:40] » I checked that two or three times
because I was like that just seems
[54:43] really weird that that one went well.
>> We just left the bathroom lights on all
[54:46] night, right? [laughter]
because you you can see that, you know,
[54:50] we we still used um you know, not very
you much for the the um bathrooms and
[54:56] the flags. It's just cuz those other
fees goes up the you know, and and um
[55:01] during the summer months, Rocky Mount
Power, they have a different fee for the
[55:07] kilowatt hours. It jumps up during the
summer versus um during the winter
[55:11] months.
[55:14] hook it up to air conditioning.
[55:21] » Thank you, Scott, for putting this
together for us.
[55:24] » And let's look at it, I think, for a
couple more months and see where we
[55:27] land.
>> We can do that.
[55:28] » So, in November, will you give us a
couple more months worth and see where
[55:32] we want to be? Is
>> that fair? November.
[55:34] » Okay.
>> Dave, you had one other question you
[55:37] wanted to talk to Scott about?
>> Oh, no. We were going to discuss
[55:41] bathrooms. We were going to discuss the
RAP recreation grant which is open and
[55:46] it's uh last day to apply for it is on
September 30th
[55:52] » and we discussed uh putting a new
restrooms um down at the uh in between
[55:58] the event center and the snack shack uh
down there so it could be used u and
[56:04] make it a little bit larger and uh and
so it could be used for both everybody
[56:08] that goes to the playground as well as
our fiesta days.
[56:14] » Yeah. So, I um Dave sent that out and I
I I got in touch with the the same
[56:20] company that we bought these other
restrooms for. Um we paid about 115,000
[56:27] just for the restrooms for these two.
And it's just two restrooms.
[56:32] um to get one that has about that has
six stalls. Like the women has three
[56:39] toilets and then the men's has a urinal
plus two toilets. So six dolls it's
[56:44] around just 280 just to get it.
>> 280.
[56:47] » 280. Yeah.
>> And then how much work Trevor does?
[56:52] » Depends on where you put it really.
>> Yeah. Depending on how far we got to run
[56:56] sewer, water, that kind of stuff.
estimate
[57:01] » you're probably like 15 20 grand
>> 20 grand. So we So So Dave, that looks a
[57:07] lot like a $300,000 ask on top of the
turf
[57:13] » if you're filling out the application.
>> Yeah, that's that's a little bit rich.
[57:20] That's going to be that's going to
that's going to get people's attention.
[57:24] We can do that.
I'm thinking maybe what would we what
[57:28] would we contribute
or when we get asked the question if we
[57:33] could only give you partial funding
would you still go forward with it?
[57:37] » And what my just quick question um where
would we put this exactly?
[57:44] Would it replace an existing bathroom or
would it be a new bathroom? some of the
[57:48] conversation we had today and this is
really spitballing not the council
[57:52] totally but we talked about the bathroom
up closer to the bucking shoots is
[57:56] really kind of needing to go away and
this would be a replacement only it
[58:02] would be more closer to the concession
stand so that the pavilion park the
[58:07] whole area could use it. That was the
initial thought that we had spitballled
[58:11] earlier today. And so, um, we've talked
several times about the other [snorts]
[58:17] bathroom and we've we've juryrigged the
water and it's it just needs to be
[58:23] redone. So, that was the thought
process. And
[58:26] » we thought if we put it close enough
[snorts] to the concession booth that
[58:30] there could be an access to water and
sewer because it would be in close power
[58:36] » because it would be in close proximity.
>> I just look at the events that we host
[58:40] there when the county came in and did
their movie night and
[58:44] » when people rent the or use the pavilion
for big family parties, it's really hard
[58:50] to have just
a two stall bathroom. Well, and Trevor,
[58:54] you know how hard that gets hit when we
have those.
[58:56] » Well, I'm just trying to picture where
it was to go.
[59:00] » What about by the entrance where we were
we put all of the bathrooms now
[59:05] » on the north side of the concession
stand.
[59:08] » That's exactly where we were thinking.
>> Keep it right where it is. You'd have to
[59:12] like move a little bit of the park.
>> That's where we were thinking. Yeah.
[59:16] » Yeah. Kind of tie it right onto that
bead to get water and scooters.
[59:21] » That was the talk.
that old brick bathroom that's just kind
[59:25] of a horrible place.
>> Well, we put layout of the
[59:29] » Yeah, it's just
>> it's just not very convenient
[59:32] » convenient.
>> Yeah.
[59:33] » And it's it's it's
>> it's
[59:39] not in good shape either. So,
um that was the thought. Dave, is that
[59:46] too much? Most of the time in any grants
that I've been involved in, 20% match is
[59:52] generally pretty acceptable.
>> Yeah.
[59:55] » And so if this is what I'm seeing, then
that's $60,000 commitment from the city.
[1:00:02] But but that's a pretty decent
infrastructure
[1:00:06] improvement for for that cost if the
city is interested in doing something
[1:00:10] like that.
[1:00:18] just thinking
>> I am I'm okay with that. I think it's
[1:00:22] the right thing to do, but
>> I've always thought that the restroom
[1:00:27] facilities ever since we took out the
one to put in the event center has
[1:00:32] always been a problem. And the comments
that you get from the patrons who go to
[1:00:37] our festivities are, "You have this
amazing complex here and you have no
[1:00:42] bathrooms.
So, David, um, what what do you need
[1:00:48] from Scott and Trevor that will be an,
um, an appendix to the application that
[1:00:54] would help? What do you need?
>> I I assume, Scott, that this is the same
[1:00:59] vendor that's the state approved bid and
all that.
[1:01:03] » I just got budget prices just quick. I
need a bid that's state approved
[1:01:09] that doesn't expire before
October 15th or something. [laughter]
[1:01:14] » That won't happen. So, we'll put a
contingency in there.
[1:01:16] » Yeah. Um and uh then
>> it's really hard to get anything over 30
[1:01:20] days anymore.
>> So,
[1:01:23] 30 to 60 days.
>> The big jump from one stall to like from
[1:01:27] two stalls to six stalls. That's a big
jump from 115 to 280. Is there anything
[1:01:31] in between that would be acceptable?
That would be something the city would
[1:01:35] consider like for stall like is there a
way is there a number that's that's more
[1:01:40] palatable to everyone when we make this
application?
[1:01:44] » Is that is that
>> No, I I mean I was assuming that total
[1:01:48] total project cost is $300,000 and we're
going to pony up for 60 of it and u and
[1:01:55] so the ask is 240. Our ask last year was
263 for the pavilion and the uh and the
[1:02:02] restrooms over at Beaver Creek Park. So,
it's doable. We're getting in I think we
[1:02:06] were pretty close to the highest ask
last year, but So, if we're in that
[1:02:12] ballpark, 300 grand starts to get
people's attention and would probably
[1:02:17] get cut anyway. So,
>> but if there were a four stall that
[1:02:20] dropped it at somewhere,
>> if there is a force stall, it only drops
[1:02:24] at about um 20 $25,000. So, I think for
$25,000 you get two more stalls.
[1:02:32] » I'm just saying if that 20 or 25,000
kicks us out of consideration. Is that
[1:02:36] worth being kicked out of consideration?
That's the question I'm asking.
[1:02:40] » No, I
>> I don't In my opinion, no. I think if
[1:02:43] we're going to do it, we should
>> do it right. Yeah, I'd say maybe
[1:02:48] we can make the point that this these
restrooms are going to be used for all
[1:02:52] year long because it's going to be
placed right next to the playground and
[1:02:55] right next to the pavilion. So we we we
put that there all year because it
[1:03:00] unless if we need want to do all year,
we're going to have to put heating in it
[1:03:03] and then that'll jump to cost.
>> Uh okay. Yes. And so it'll be just like
[1:03:08] these two restrooms, right? Okay. So
it'll be used.
[1:03:13] » I know. I know. When uh all three stalls
or three stalls are full of that four
[1:03:17] stall grand.
>> So it'll be worth it.
[1:03:21] » The more stalls the marrier.
>> Okay.
[1:03:24] » Sounds like we have a direction. We do.
>> Awesome. Thank you, Scott.
[1:03:28] » That's all I have.
>> All right, Trevor. Over
[1:03:34] the last several weeks, the public works
team has continued daily water, sewer,
[1:03:38] and park maintenance and monitoring. We
completed this year's scheduled fire
[1:03:42] hydrant maintenance, repaired three
water leaks, and changed out two water
[1:03:46] meter cans. Also, some small
improvements to our parks. We also
[1:03:51] assisted in the county sponsored movie
night with power layout, setup, and
[1:03:55] takedown. I have also been working with
Comcast contractors on their upcoming
[1:03:59] project in town and also lastly we were
able to complete full services on both
[1:04:05] of our plow trucks.
[1:04:11] » Thank you.
>> Thank you. One one other one other
[1:04:14] thing. Um I was contacted by the mayor
Francis yesterday uh for uh potential
[1:04:21] for some help to take some of their um
tents down. And I imagine they were
[1:04:27] timesensitive, probably rented. And um I
called Trevor and asked what he thought
[1:04:32] and he jumped in and and and
um and [clears throat] I'm I think it
[1:04:37] went well. And and I guess the highlight
I want to make is is that um that
[1:04:42] ability to to help each in each other's
communities and be available to to work
[1:04:47] together as as a valley which I I think
is impressive and so thank you.
[1:04:55] » Can I make one other comment? Yes.
>> I've got to say the Bisden's subdiv or
[1:05:00] development over there on the old west
property um they're wanting to get
[1:05:05] started on their infrastructure and get
going. So you you'll probably be seeing
[1:05:09] that happen in the next couple weeks,
too. So,
[1:05:14] okay,
Brad.
[1:05:22] So, since I last reported, we've had 82
calls for service,
[1:05:27] uh, four alarms, four a 14 agency
assists, two ATLs, three crashes, five
[1:05:34] citizen assist, two drugs, one domestic
violence, one citizen dispute, two hit
[1:05:39] and runs, five juvenile problems, one
harassment, two keep the peace, three
[1:05:44] lockouts, four suspicious, two juvenile
alcohol, one abandoned vehicle, one
[1:05:50] livestock problem, one lost lost
property. Two motorist assists, one
[1:05:54] property damage, two assaults, one paper
service, one stalking, one threatening,
[1:06:00] eight VIN inspections, six welfare
checks, three wildlife problems, two
[1:06:06] animal problems, and one burglary. And
we handled 73% and the sheriff's office
[1:06:11] handled 27%.
[1:06:17] » That's kind of kind of a lot for our
little small community. Um Brad, will
[1:06:22] you
send someone down to check um Second
[1:06:27] West tomorrow? They they've parked that
big semi right in the middle of road.
[1:06:31] Well, on one side of the road and so it
takes up half the road there by Vulkers.
[1:06:36] Will you check that out?
>> Yep.
[1:06:37] » They they we can't have the road be the
parking lot.
[1:06:41] » Okay. Y
>> today the tree service was there cutting
[1:06:44] for Rocky Mountain. It was a challenge
to get the bus around them and I'm sure
[1:06:50] our citizens are struggling there, too.
>> Okay. Yep. We'll take care of it.
[1:06:54] » Awesome. Any questions for Brad?
>> We need to put up a no overnight parking
[1:07:00] sign in our event center parking lot.
That's could easily become a used cars
[1:07:07] sales lot.
>> I know, [laughter] right? Well, because
[1:07:11] when people rent our event center, they
want the parking that goes with it. And
[1:07:17] so when somebody's pulled in, they're
just
[1:07:20] » However,
>> will you get some no overnight parking
[1:07:22] signs? I think it's a great idea.
>> Yeah, absolutely. Let's put those in.
[1:07:27] » We may want to do the same thing for the
Beaver Creek Park.
[1:07:31] » Yes.
>> Will you look at the Beaver Creek Park,
[1:07:33] too?
>> Post.
[1:07:35] » Sorry.
>> Will you look at the Beaver Creek Park,
[1:07:36] too?
>> Putting some signs up.
[1:07:39] » Awesome. Yeah,
>> I think all of our parks are no
[1:07:43] overnight anyway. So,
>> yeah.
[1:07:46] » Yeah. Our ordinance states the parks
close at dusk, like soon as the sun
[1:07:51] sets.
>> Our ordinance says dusk.
[1:07:53] » Yeah, it says dusk.
>> Interesting.
[1:07:56] » I think I was just reading, we were
going through it the other day, some of
[1:07:59] our ordinances. So,
>> we may want to look at that as an
[1:08:03] appropriate terminology.
>> I was going to say, what number does it
[1:08:05] start out with? [laughter]
>> 52.
[1:08:08] » Uh, no. It was It was in the '9s. I
think it was the 93 possibly.
[1:08:13] » Yeah.
>> So,
[1:08:14] » that's
>> Yeah, there was a few of them I looked
[1:08:17] at that we need to maybe update.
>> Will you bring those in? We can sit
[1:08:22] down, talk about it, and then I can get
them in front of the council.
[1:08:25] » Yep.
>> Thank you. Anything else?
[1:08:27] » I have a question for Jill.
>> Yes.
[1:08:30] » Uh the old B Blazard Place
and walk over here on First West and
[1:08:36] First North.
>> Okay. There's a dumpster sitting out on
[1:08:40] the rideway. Do we know who that owns
that? Why is it sitting on the rideway?
[1:08:45] It's sitting right next to the stop
sign.
[1:08:47] » I have no idea.
>> Several
[1:08:50] the hotel or whatever they're using
Ward's place for.
[1:08:56] » They they have had several uses in
there. In fact, I'm not positive that
[1:09:01] they don't have a conditional use for a
bed and breakfast there. Like there are
[1:09:06] some things that I don't know.
>> I don't know.
[1:09:09] » I thought they were doing bed and
breakfast or something,
[1:09:11] » but it's been a church.
>> I don't know what you're talking about.
[1:09:13] » Yeah. I mean, it's right out there. I've
had several people that live in my
[1:09:16] subdivision say, "Hey, what's going on
with this? We can't leave our trash out
[1:09:20] on the road, and that's right next to a
stop sign.
[1:09:24] » Last time we went there, they had it
rented a bunch of places rented out in
[1:09:28] there. So, it wasn't being used like
short-term rentals. It was more
[1:09:31] long-term, and that was the garbage for
all the people there. So, I don't know
[1:09:35] who owns it, but I think they're renting
it out more long-term. Some of the
[1:09:40] » Yeah, I believe it.
>> The the person who owns it is renting it
[1:09:43] for his employees or work
for his employees to work here. So, that
[1:09:50] might have been a while ago. So, still
it should be on the rideway.
[1:09:55] » Oh, sorry. What was that?
>> I say still it shouldn't be on the
[1:09:57] rightway. The one on third South
>> Third South move. Yeah,
[1:10:01] » that was nice cuz it was right on the
road.
[1:10:04] » Yeah,
>> hit it with a man. It's gone. It's okay.
[1:10:08] » Okay, we'll look into it.
>> And I didn't
[1:10:11] I've gotten a lot of questions about
lushes on the corner. Are there parking
[1:10:15] problems?
>> A lot. And I said, I don't know a whole
[1:10:19] lot. We're working with that one, aren't
we, Jill?
[1:10:22] » Yes, we are.
>> That's in.
[1:10:23] » So, I'll find out. I'll see if I I find
anything.
[1:10:26] » He is in violation. The scary is so they
park on the bridge.
[1:10:30] » Yes.
>> Just barely get a car across the bridge.
[1:10:34] » Yeah.
>> Yeah. Um his his uh plan shows parking
[1:10:40] in the back which he has not. Anyway,
we're working on that.
[1:10:43] » Okay.
>> Yes,
[1:10:44] » those only things I had.
>> Awesome. Anything else?
[1:10:50] If not, um
again, Senator, thanks for being here.
[1:10:55] Appreciate it. love to have you anytime.
Appreciate your comments. Um I would
[1:10:59] entertain a a final motion.
>> Come on, Mike.
[1:11:02] » I'll make a motion that we uh adjourn.
>> Second.
[1:11:08] » Okay, we're adjourned. Thank you.