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August 25th, 2026, commission meeting.

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Okay, stand up. We're at the city county courthouse on August 25th. Thanks everybody for coming and we'll get started. Celeste Myers is going to give our invocation and then I will leave us in the pledge of allegiance. Please join me in prayer.

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Your Lord God, we'll call upon your presence today.

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especially in this room, in our hearts if we will allow it and also all around us

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helping to guide us, opening our ears so that we might hear each other and our

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hearts so that we might understand each other, opening our eyes so that we can

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perceive the intentions and efforts of others. Father please help us to glorify

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you and everything that we do. All of our words and even our thoughts.

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Thank you for all of your

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help and of everything. We need you and we appreciate you. We praise you. Thank you for

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your son, our Savior, offering salvation and also companionship, guidance, advocacy.

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Amen.

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Okay everybody please rest.

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I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands.

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One nation and another God in the physical will liberty and justice for all.

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Okay thank you very much.

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Okay now I'm going to open it up for public comments of anybody who wants to speak on any subject.

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Please come up to the microphone.

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Stay with me and I'll speak for three minutes.

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Thank you.

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Hi.

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Hello.

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My name is Robert Charbonneau.

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I'm a trustee for Heritage Actors.

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I want to address the ordinance change for the RFI zoning.

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I'm speaking with each of you previously to this meeting, and I send an email to the board

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previously, but I want to go ahead and ask to speak with you or maybe revise my comments

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just a little bit.

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as far as the number of trailers, stuff like that.

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I think the consensus is a limit of 10

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and I'm good with that for RFI zoning.

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I know the concern is for larger parcels

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and maybe for those parcels, a CUP would be in order

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to allow based on the land and stuff like that.

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The other area of concern that I have

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is the 30-day limit that was opposed in there.

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And it just seems very difficult to manage.

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My original comment was to base it seasonally, but I was thinking strictly the mountain, not considering the other five parcels that might be throughout the county.

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They don't necessarily have a season, so my suggestion would be just to remove that from the ordinance as far as the time limit, because the whole point of the ordinance was to allow for additional failings, because you have additional land.

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So I think that would fall, and then anything additional might be covered under a CUP.

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Thank you for your time.

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Thank you, Robert.

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Anyone else like to see?

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Hello, Commissioner.

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Good morning, and attorney.

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We just gave you an answer.

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Thank you.

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I am Tracy Samford, and I'm also a trustee member of the board for our property on the

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seat of mountain heritage acres.

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As Robert pointed out, those are all great points.

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We are also unique because we are not in this subdivision.

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I don't know how many five-acre parcels there are that are out in the county that are

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also under that same umbrella that we are.

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When this property was purchased back in 1970, it was forest recreation and we are only

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600 feet from the forest.

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Our property has been well-used, well-loved for nearly 50 years.

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We have cleared the land, improved the land, made it so that it is very accessible for

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10 even more traders.

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We have water and electric hookups for our bees.

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We have graveled roads.

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We have a gathering area with picnic tables and a fire department approved fire pit and

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a family memorial stage.

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we also have a bathhouse that has a his and her side, two showers, two sinks, two toilets,

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even a bathtub on the women's. We have loved and cared for this property and used it respectfully,

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and property rights are part of our constitutional rights. And we need to protect them.

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And we were told several times by the Planning and Zoning Committee that had our parents

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gotten a CUP when they purchased the land, that we wouldn't be in the situation we are today

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restricting us to charities. Now that we know what we know, we need to protect our rights

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of our future generations. We owe it to them. We owe it to them to be able to continue

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on with our traditions and our love and our respect for our land. We should be able to enjoy

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our land just as others are able to join theirs. Thank you. Thank you, Casey.

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Anybody else?

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Let's speak on the subject.

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Okay.

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We'll close the public comment period.

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And we'll go on to the consent agenda.

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I'll note that we approved the checkout report of August 5th, 2026, 697,496,993 cents.

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And August 12th, 2235,084 cents.

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And August 9th,

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480,866 dollars and 37 cents, and also that we approved our commission meeting minutes

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for August 4, 2020-26.

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Any comment?

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Chair, I think you meant August 19th.

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What did I say?

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August 19th.

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Okay, yes.

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August 19th.

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Sorry about that.

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Any other comments?

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No.

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Okay.

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All in favour?

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Aye.

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Bye.

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Okay.

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That's unanimous.

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Okay, we're going to go on to our regular session.

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And our first item is we want to recognize J.T.

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button as our King County Cowboy over here.

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You want to come up?

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This, I, J.T., I've known since he was a little kid.

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He lives across history for me.

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And I've been so impressed with him his whole life.

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He is such a hard worker.

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I remember time when he was just a little kid

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and they had some girls outside eating some weeds

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and they got away and they came over to my house and him and his little sister came over there

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and broke those ghosts, like they were professional catwalks. And Depp and Paul, I was just like,

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wow, these scares are great. Anyway, he's always working. He's one another time my husband was out

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home weeks and Jake came over and said, can I help you? And he's wanting to do it because he likes to work.

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But I see him, you know, all early morning late at night, he's a very hard worker. And I think he

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he really embodies the full spirit of the Catboy. He's a true Catboy with the

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Cousin. We just want to recognize him and add him to our plaque. Anybody else

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want to say anything? Oh, I'm just going to give a little history. So up and

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off then they do a binder rodeo and they ask every county to nominate a cowboy of

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the year and so this year it is JT button. So we have made a plaque and this

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His name will go on the clock.

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We've got back as far as we knew the names.

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Our next order of business, we gotta figure out

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where we're hanging this for the sunset in our office.

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We will get it hung on the wall this year.

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So anyway, JT's name and then we have a couple

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just a little gift that we appreciate these two.

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Maybe your wish can come up, we'll take a picture.

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Let's see you guys, come on.

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Thank you so much.

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I appreciate it.

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I want you to get a picture.

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I know we got a new paper guy so let's get hired some more to work in the market for a moment.

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Hey!

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We're so lucky.

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Thank you so much.

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Thank you T.

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Thank you T.

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Thank you T.

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Thank you T.

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Thank you T.

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Thank you.

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We'll move on to our next agenda item which is Discussing Building on a 5,000.

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We have Governor's Office of Economic Development, Rural County Development, Grant Beach,

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Elecated to King County, Farm Bureau for Workforce Development, Recruitment, Education, and

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Training.

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I guess this is Commissioner Mayer.

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Thank you.

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So I just, so we have as a practice taken by a thousand dollars a year to pass along to

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the King County Farm Bureau, and that's very much in line with our outlook and our priorities

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for the county.

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I just had the idea that maybe we would instead of taking it out of the general taxpayer fund

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Um, instead, uh, proposed that that money come from the came, excuse me, the governor's

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office of economic development, the governor's office allocates 200,000 a year, um, that

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we ask for and then steward that money and make decisions about how it will be invested regarding

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workforce development, education, business infrastructure, things like that.

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and so this is basically same amount of commitment and investment just from a

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different source. So I did speak with the Kane County Farm Bureau President,

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Shane Saltler, just to let him know about this and invite him to come if he wanted.

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And the CEO board recommended, I believe unanimously, this change. And I spoke today

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with Farm Bureau member Chris Heaton, and just explain what the thought process was.

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And then now at this point, we'll bring it to a vote of the county commission to see

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if the county commission also approves of taking $5,000 of the $200,000 for the Farm Bureau.

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My intent is that this would be an annual allocation, sort of like an year mark almost.

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But if either of you have a rug about that, you know, I want to hear what you have to say.

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I think it's a good idea.

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I support it.

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Yeah, I think it's great to anything we can use other funds for besides the general fund.

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We're a very general fund for us.

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Okay, so if you're ready, y'all.

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Chair, I move that we allocate $5,000 of the governor's office of economic development

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rural county development grant being allocated to King County Farm Bureau for workforce development

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recruitment, education and training and in the packet there's, um, it lays out exactly

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what the money would be used for such as education abuse and workforce development, et cetera,

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and Kelly Stool, our economic development contact point put together that proposal on behalf of the Farm Bureau.

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Yeah, and I think Farm Bureau does a great job.

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We really appreciate them, so I think it's great to do any other discussion on this motion.

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Okay, all in favor?

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Hi.

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All right, thank you.

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Okay, that's unanimous.

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Okay, the next item is Discussing about King County Ordnance 2026-21 and Ordnance

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Reguising King County Building Code and Regulations, 8-1-3 and the Land Use Ordnance Titleline

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Chapter 21 Subdivision Regulations, 9-21B-1 and 9-31-3.

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world improved unimproved applications of King County. Do you want to explain this, Shannon?

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I think Jack might be better. Or, Jack, you don't want to be on that way, you can explain to the

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life. Yes, so what this ordinance would do is it would require an applicant to provide

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I will serve letters for me service district that provides services to the property before the county land use department would issue a building permit or through a subdivision application.

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This issue came up when the special special service district, when they have new residents, those new residents are required to pay a one time fee.

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when they move in or if they are building new dwellings.

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And so the idea was that that special service district

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will provide, it will sort of let us say, yeah,

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we are going to provide fire service to this property

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and they are out to date on those initial fees

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therefore they should be able to build.

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This applies to all special service districts

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not just them, but that was a specific scenario that got us thinking about this word.

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And if I always do want to put on the record that, I'll use the attorney for that, especially

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specific, because you're also a word.

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And so there are some, we are helping them, these districts as well, this is to help them

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so that they don't have to pursue legal means to go after those fees, they can get those

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These are French to save them time and money in that aspect.

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But yes, I'm playing to have spiritual and clarify that, because I could be seen in the conflict, but I want to make sure we'll lose that. Thank you. Do you want to say anything, Jan? No, he did great. Okay, I just want to say that I want very clear that the reason we are charging the $900 is because can have city is required, and we have to pay them. Not the county, but the service district has to pay the city so that we collect it. And I think it makes

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way more than to get it up front than for them to have to go out if they don't pay

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to try to go after it later. I think it's easier and cleaner and it's just the

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perfect way to go.

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Anybody else want to say anything?

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Yeah, and I like that if the service district doesn't want to require they don't

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have to. So we're not telling the service district what they have to do. We're just

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giving them the ability to do that. So we'll require it unless they tell us.

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No. No. Does this apply because garcane is not a special service district.

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So this is just special service districts in the water

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conservancy. Correct.

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But they, although with the service district that the

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county does ask for a little service.

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That's somewhere else in the ordinance.

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We're talking about them. It does.

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I don't know if it does for building permits, but I know it does for

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subdivisions. Yeah, and that's already in place.

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I just haven't already got lots of letters from them for everything that's built so far.

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I think it's really smart.

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I like what both of you said.

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I think it makes sense.

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It takes up our process a little bit, provides sincerity.

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Right.

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It makes it simple.

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That's what I like.

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It makes it simple.

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Any other discussion?

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Does somebody want to make motion?

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Or I can do it?

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I'll make a motion that we approve.

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of King County, ordinance 20, 0, 20, 26, 21.

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I don't know if it's revising King County,

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billy culture regulations,

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eight dashes, one dash three.

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I'm not used to ordinance Title IX, Chapter 21,

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subdivision regulation nine.

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Dash 21, B, dash one, and nine dashes, 21, K,

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dash three, rural, but increased blood applications

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of King County as presented by the New Orleans.

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That we presented.

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So Colin, Baker, or any other comment?

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No, no.

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Okay, Ella Davis.

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Hi.

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Hi.

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Thank you.

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Okay.

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Now we move on to the next one, which is also an ordinance.

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Discussing board on ordinance 2026-22.

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An ordinance revising King County Land Use ordinance,

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Title IX, Chapter 6, Residential Regulations, Article V,

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Recreational Vehicle Regulations within residential zones,

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changes to be contemplated.

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Okay.

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Okay, this has been a big deal for a long time.

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We've been trying to work out, you know, what's the best way to go about allowing someone

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to have more, like, right now they can't, kind of, or miss, only allows two RVs on any

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long in the county, and we want to make it for, like, special occasions that they can have

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more for a certain amount, a lot of time, not all the time.

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Do you want to explain it more, Shannon?

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Sure.

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And I want to answer Commissioner Myers' questions.

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She asked me how many RFI zones and I defer to Taylor Glover, and he got that answered

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very quickly.

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So we have 21,754 parcels in King County.

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Out of that, there are 283 that are zoned RFI.

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And then out of that, there's even less that would be outside of a sector that we're talking

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about.

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So I wanted that in the whole mix as we're talking about this and then I'm going to defer to Jeff because I think he can explain it

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Yeah, I'll talk about maybe the text inside a road and then the channel would be great to help with the context

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But so right now

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without this ordinance

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If you want more than two additional

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Arbis then you get a temporary use permit and that applies to all residential

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with this ordinance, you still can access that temporities

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crewman, all residential zones can still go that route.

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This process allows for a second way to get more than two parties,

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and that's through ACUP, and it only allows it to be R5 non-so-conditioned,

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and that specific C of e. The meat or all of the substitute changes are in letter C,

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if you don't mind scrolling down, and it's letter C, and it's basically that one and two, the ion level ion.

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So if you pass this as written, it will allow just an R5's non-subdivided, so just parcels.

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It will allow someone to apply for a conditionally used permit, which stays with it from.

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They don't apply once.

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They can keep it busy forever as long as they comply with conditions versus the temporary

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use, which would fill in trouble for the land use each time they need it.

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I can't remember what it said exactly, but yeah, it's more, it takes more effort.

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If they get the CUP, then they can have an additional two per acre.

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I do want to recommend removing the word additional and let if I to clarify that it's to per acre and maybe not for the first acre and to after that, I just want to clarify that.

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And then the second part is the part I've seen comments on from the public. This is a maximum time allowed for additional RVs. It's a very beautiful place per calendar year.

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And so you guys will need to have a discussion, if that's important, do you want it to be basically a 30-year for like a one-time Iranian or do you want to allow 30 additional days per RV that's about the two.

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So someone could stay at 30 days in one RV and another RV could come later that year and spend up to 30 days in another RV.

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So you guys will need to decide what to do there.

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Or then there's a mill ground as you could keep it to where it's just 30 or keep it to where it applies to all the extra.

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So 30 days applies to all of the extra of these accumulative.

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You could extend that to 45 days or 60 days.

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So there's a few options you have there, because that seems to be the main issue at least

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with some of the phones.

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Okay, Shen, do you have anything to add?

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No, I think you.

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I don't know, really.

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If you have questions, you can ask me, but I think I explained it really well.

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Okay.

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I just see this as really messy.

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Turns to count the 30 days.

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Who's going to do that?

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We don't have someone up there watching every RV and no one how many days are there.

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And we don't have anyone who can send it.

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That's it just couldn't happen that we could accurately keep track of the 30-day thing.

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I just don't see that.

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But, unfortunately, I don't think we, I don't want to allow, I mean, like, we have to get

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some RF, RF-5 zone, you know, properties.

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Some RF-5 properties have a lot more than 5 acres.

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and then we can end up having, you know, 20 RVs there.

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And, you know, if it's right next to a subdivision,

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that's really disturbing to the neighbors.

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And I just don't think that's fair.

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I personally think that we don't need this ordinance,

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that the way it is is fine.

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They can, for a reunion or something,

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I'm happy that they can do that.

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And they should be able to do that,

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have their reunions up there,

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and have, you know, additional RVs

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RVs for a certain amount of time, but I don't think, to me, I don't know, I don't think

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it's that big a deal to give a temporary use permit. And if they just do that as regularly

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as part of their planning their reunion, they could come and get that every year, you know,

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ahead of time. Like, I just don't think, see a name for this ordinance at all.

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Okay, let's go question the left turning. So regarding the step back portion of the ordinance

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It talks about that it needs to follow the setbacks.

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And I'm wondering is that residential setbacks

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is that setbacks for a shed?

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Well, what is that setback requirement?

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It's residential setback, OK?

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Yeah, so it's on, you're talking about number four.

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So the C of A and the temporaries permit

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and we both have to follow in your requirements

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that backs with the zone.

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So I don't think there are, it specifically says

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RVs need to set back, the idea would be,

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like Shannon says, if they were to build a house,

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same set backs, didn't follow the same set backs,

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is it going around?

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Well, yes, right.

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Actually, we've had to red tag some RVs

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because they're so close to the road

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that we felt like it was a dangerous situation

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and we've had complaints, so we require them to stay

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within the resident to set vaccine with Arby's.

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That's what I was thinking about.

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And with that, CUP, those conditions will be on my mind.

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But if some of this, a CUP is not required,

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our temporary use just to have to, this is probably getting off

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of what the harder the matter, but as I dug into it,

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there were some things that if, kind of like you changed

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You know, we find it, I think we should just clean it up a little if there's some confusion

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on some of these things, but perhaps when we say setbacks, we should say residential

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and then put a link to where they can find that, because if somebody's reading and they

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said, what is a setback?

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What is a setback?

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And how do I find where the setback is?

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There's different kinds of setbacks, if it's for a house, that's different than a just

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a property line or a solicitor should, I don't know what the other commissioners think

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about, but it might be helpful for the citizens to know what's that doctor talking about.

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Yeah, I guess I would propose that no matter what we decide, whether we just keep the

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ordinance as it is generally except for a few little changes, or we change the ordinance

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that we should clean up that portion just to make it more clear, and maybe provide some

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comfort to the neighbors as well. I think setbacks are what are they 20 feet from the property

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line for the non-frontage and a 30 feet 10, 10, 10, 10. Oh, 10, 10, 10, yeah. So at least

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they would have it right up on their property line no matter how many are allowed or they

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have some recourse. One other just small housekeeping matter. I noticed a lot of conditions like

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It needs to be winterized and the RV needs to be winterized, they need to be able to

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be mobilized, et cetera.

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What do you all think of adding that they need to have their, what's it called, registration

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up to date?

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I would not.

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What would that be?

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We're not the police that go, do you, do you?

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Well, they may be.

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I just got, I would take that whole thing because we're not, what, when somebody has

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have an RV on their property. So that's why the two RVs are not even talking about their

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special use permit. Are we going to go around and check everybody's license plate and make

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sure it's winterized and all those things and you don't winterize it in the summer time

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so it says when it's not going to occupy, you have to winterize it which doesn't make sense

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either to me. Kind of chime in just to give you a little history of how this has worked in

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the past with our red text because when we first got this we did have to do a lot of red

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the text, but the reason that we had that in there is if they weren't worthy, that means

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that it's going to stay on the property, and it can go get broken up and all of that,

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the snowfall on it, and we're having problems with that, so the attorney at the time, that's

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why we have that it has to be.

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We do make sure they have their license up to date with the motor vehicle, because that would

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be the only way we would know that they're not removing it because if they can't drive it

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off of the property because they're not keeping their license plates up to date, then that

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was a way that we could red-tag them because some of these go from year to year. We've had

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them to where they have completely fallen apart and we've had to have them remove that army

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because it became a safety hazard like a small child could get in. So we've had situations

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like that that we have replied on their license plates being renewed just so

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that we would know that this trailer hasn't moved off of here, it hasn't had the

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license plate renewed in 10 years so we definitely know that it's not up to

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the regulations and that was just to help us when we do have to re-attack the

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trailer. Yeah, but if it's in storage it doesn't have to move. I mean in that, but

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But there's somewhere else that talks about that, like if it's industry parity, it's covered

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somewhere else in this ordinance besides it's covered multiple times.

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I think would give us enough teeth if somebody has one in disarray that says if you think

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it more than six months.

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I understand what you're saying, well you can kind of figure out if they don't have a tag

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on it that it has a movement six months.

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But that's occupied for six months, you can have it on your property longer, you can have it

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forever under property, you have to two of them.

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You can, and we've relied on neighbors,

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and that's who's called us and stuff.

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And so that's where we start to look at record.

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And we can call the motor vehicle, and hey,

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have they redid this license, and that gives us

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a good indicator, because kind of like me,

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I have an RV, but I keep it road worthy,

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because I take it out, some extent.

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So that's good indicator that this RV's staying on the property.

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And if somebody's living in it, and when we get complaints,

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That's what triggers it like if you have a RV on property and destroying it nobody's staying in it

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It doesn't ever really trigger any concerns from anybody

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So most of all of our complaints are because somebody's living in that RV staying in it for

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So it's here what I'm hearing you say is it's not an issue to the general public that their neighbor has an RV part of their property

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That's good to know. I didn't realize that. Yeah

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Okay, unless it's on the part in district care.

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But otherwise, no.

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It would be one measurable objective, anybody could look at that and see if the ties are

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expired or not.

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And so it would be easily enforceable, not rely on neighbors complaining thing.

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And yeah, we're probably not going to enforce it, just like, I mean, in most cases, we're

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not going to be going around checking everyone's thing.

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It just provides an objective measure and a little bit of teeth.

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I'm not heavily invested into whether or not we add that to the list of requirements.

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I'd also be just as happy as if we removed some of those requirements and simply kept

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it at if it's in this repair.

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So I just want to have a conversation while we have this book open.

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I also just have a, I don't, the idea of the CUP because it goes with the property, no matter

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who owns the property, that kind of bothers me too because he never know what the next owner

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is for me to do. I think everything should be individualized. Like I said, I really just

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didn't appreciate it. I mean, we don't want a bunch of RVs on any property for a long

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time. And then if we just, they have to have a special permit to do it, I don't think

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that's that big of a deal. Is there a cost for a spent that temporary permit? Yes, there

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It's like $100.

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Maybe the weekdays like we did that,

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or some sort of make it not a big deal for them

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to get one every year, or even even made.

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I mean, instead of, I would not try to do that,

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then did the seat appear out.

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I just, and yeah, I, I guess for me,

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we have to go back to why we're gonna have

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in this discussion, and it has to do with

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like zone changes that happen in the county

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when there were so many zones,

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and they didn't know what to do with some,

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so they threw them in residential from the recreation, they threw them in ag if they were over 10.

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And we were trying to clean that up. At least that's been for me since I've been a commissioner

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and was aware of this specific situation and it might apply to other properties out there.

461
00:32:32,480 --> 00:32:38,360
And so we asked the planning and zoning, can you look at it, come up with it, the attorney worked with it.

462
00:32:39,460 --> 00:32:46,320
But I really, but I don't like is the 30 accumulative days because right now if they get a temporary

463
00:32:46,320 --> 00:32:48,260
use they can keep them there for six months.

464
00:32:48,460 --> 00:32:50,940
So why is it more punishing to have a CUP?

465
00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:52,240
To me it's more punishing.

466
00:32:53,060 --> 00:32:59,520
You know, if they want to have five o'clock or four, whatever property, like it's not that big of a deal.

467
00:32:59,520 --> 00:33:07,580
It's just cleaner to say for that category of five acres non-residential you can have one or

468
00:33:07,580 --> 00:33:14,760
or two per acre, it's for the season one, which is defined as consecutive.

469
00:33:15,620 --> 00:33:16,600
I came with it first.

470
00:33:19,020 --> 00:33:22,380
Well I don't like to, I mean like he said they, if they had temperate,

471
00:33:22,500 --> 00:33:25,860
they could have it up there for six months.

472
00:33:26,320 --> 00:33:29,680
I think that should be a limited time too.

473
00:33:29,780 --> 00:33:31,540
I don't think six months is what it should be.

474
00:33:33,160 --> 00:33:36,360
For dairy that, for whatever, you know, I don't think...

475
00:33:37,480 --> 00:33:45,400
I just felt like the idea of having 10 RVs out there, or if you have 10 acres, you could

476
00:33:45,400 --> 00:33:46,600
have 20 RVs out there.

477
00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:52,640
If you're right next to a subdivision and neighbors, it's just not, I just don't think

478
00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:54,000
that it's the right thing to do.

479
00:33:57,280 --> 00:34:01,880
Yeah, I'm thinking about things from legal perspective.

480
00:34:01,880 --> 00:34:08,420
So for one thing, I'm adverse to CUPs just because they are problematic.

481
00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:20,180
I feel like they leave too much opportunity for litigation and too much discretion in weird places and liability.

482
00:34:21,540 --> 00:34:24,880
And so I would like to get away from the CUP portion of things.

483
00:34:25,640 --> 00:34:29,700
I also am not in favor of temporary use permits.

484
00:34:30,420 --> 00:34:33,780
I think that's just an administrative hurdle and red tape.

485
00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:40,500
And so as much as possible, just in general, I think we should go toward a policy of permitted

486
00:34:40,500 --> 00:34:49,280
or not permitted use and leave out the discretion and the haggling and the extra working considerations

487
00:34:49,280 --> 00:34:51,620
that go into CUP's and permits.

488
00:34:51,620 --> 00:34:57,440
And similarly to how we did with the roof lines, I think we came up with something that

489
00:34:57,440 --> 00:35:02,060
was very workable, reasonable, and widely applicable.

490
00:35:02,500 --> 00:35:04,680
And I think we should have the same objective here.

491
00:35:06,280 --> 00:35:14,700
I also am thinking about enforceability and limited staff and efficient use of taxpayer

492
00:35:14,700 --> 00:35:15,160
dollars.

493
00:35:15,160 --> 00:35:27,320
and the more we have complicated rules that involve the constituents complaining about

494
00:35:27,320 --> 00:35:30,000
each other, the more problematic it becomes.

495
00:35:30,420 --> 00:35:38,840
And so I agree with you about what the problems are with CUP and difficulty in enforcing.

496
00:35:39,160 --> 00:35:41,780
I'm just coming through a very different solution.

497
00:35:41,780 --> 00:35:47,580
My solution would be that we get rid of the CUP, we get rid of the temporary use permit.

498
00:35:48,140 --> 00:35:55,540
We build an ordinance that allows for a higher level of client enjoyment of property.

499
00:35:56,500 --> 00:36:03,100
And when I say that, there's lots of different ways to interpret client enjoyment of property.

500
00:36:03,100 --> 00:36:11,540
So one way would be that it's a quiet enjoyment, meaning it's settled, it's legally settled.

501
00:36:11,720 --> 00:36:12,980
It's not in contests.

502
00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:17,580
You don't have to keep coming back and begging the government to, please let me use your

503
00:36:17,580 --> 00:36:17,860
property.

504
00:36:18,100 --> 00:36:21,560
You get the quiet enjoyment of your, you know, uncontested enjoyment.

505
00:36:22,180 --> 00:36:22,780
That's one.

506
00:36:23,360 --> 00:36:28,720
Another one is you're not being noisy to your neighbors, you're quietly enjoying your property.

507
00:36:29,480 --> 00:36:37,840
In my opinion, parking RVs on a large lot, not in the subdivision is meets both of those

508
00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:38,300
definitions.

509
00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:50,620
So, I feel like 10 on 5 acre is reasonable and I'm honestly for year-round and especially

510
00:36:50,620 --> 00:36:56,580
in the unincorporated areas of the county, not in the subdivision, not in an HOA, not in

511
00:36:56,580 --> 00:36:56,960
a city.

512
00:36:57,660 --> 00:37:06,820
I think there should be a greater level of opportunities to enjoy one's land in different

513
00:37:06,820 --> 00:37:11,880
ways in the unincorporated areas, and I also believe we should have fewer regulations.

514
00:37:12,660 --> 00:37:15,900
And I also think we should have lower tax burden.

515
00:37:16,480 --> 00:37:23,240
And that's very important to me, and one thing that I think people should consider when

516
00:37:23,240 --> 00:37:25,460
and they decide whether or not to live in an HOA,

517
00:37:25,640 --> 00:37:27,000
whether or not to live in a subdivision,

518
00:37:27,180 --> 00:37:28,480
whether or not to live in a town.

519
00:37:29,840 --> 00:37:31,720
What are the trade-offs that they're getting?

520
00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:33,880
I want them to know that those are the trade-offs

521
00:37:34,920 --> 00:37:36,820
and make their decision accordingly.

522
00:37:37,720 --> 00:37:44,540
And I do agree with you also that if it's more than five acres,

523
00:37:44,760 --> 00:37:46,140
even if it's zone to R5,

524
00:37:46,900 --> 00:37:49,220
that they shouldn't get more than 10

525
00:37:49,700 --> 00:37:52,320
until they have five additional full acres.

526
00:37:52,320 --> 00:38:01,420
So, let's say for the first five acres of metrics is 2 per RV, and then they don't get

527
00:38:01,420 --> 00:38:06,320
any more than 10 unless they have 15 acres, and then they get one more.

528
00:38:06,760 --> 00:38:14,980
And if they have 20 acres, they get two more, so 11, 12, you know, up until indefinitely.

529
00:38:15,620 --> 00:38:22,180
And I think also another thing that's going to mitigate any potential issues is that residential

530
00:38:22,180 --> 00:38:30,260
step back, and there's going to be, like currently, if you have two parts you're around right,

531
00:38:30,700 --> 00:38:37,160
or seasonally. Seasonally around. You're around. You can have two year round on a half acre.

532
00:38:37,640 --> 00:38:44,200
So if we were to puff out those metrics, we could have 20 out of five acre lot. So I think it's reasonable

533
00:38:44,200 --> 00:38:51,720
that 10 on a five acre lot. I live in a neighborhood that has five acre lots on both sides of me.

534
00:38:51,720 --> 00:38:58,140
across the street and it's no problem at all for my neighbors to have a

535
00:38:58,860 --> 00:39:06,020
busily and a RV's and storage units and courses and all kinds of livestock

536
00:39:06,020 --> 00:39:12,200
and outbuildings and busy roads and it's just totally fine for me because

537
00:39:12,200 --> 00:39:17,740
five acres is a big plot of land. So all that to say thank you for listening

538
00:39:17,740 --> 00:39:25,340
First of all, and second of all, I propose no CUP, no temporary use permit, year-round

539
00:39:25,340 --> 00:39:32,800
ability, residential clarification, and if it's over five acres, then they don't get

540
00:39:32,800 --> 00:39:39,000
another RP until an additional five acres is on the property size.

541
00:39:39,640 --> 00:39:44,720
I just want to clarify, it's still seasonal, you can't really do that.

542
00:39:46,300 --> 00:39:47,860
Well, that's a little bit of a limit.

543
00:39:48,200 --> 00:39:49,240
You can store it.

544
00:39:51,560 --> 00:39:53,440
May I have a rebuttal?

545
00:39:53,600 --> 00:39:54,620
Like I said, I would say on that.

546
00:39:55,080 --> 00:39:56,940
So I have been here for 17 years.

547
00:39:58,600 --> 00:40:01,120
My theory is, don't fix it unless it's broke.

548
00:40:01,680 --> 00:40:02,140
CUPs.

549
00:40:02,640 --> 00:40:09,300
I have been complimented by my grandfather when they come to our county because it is spelled

550
00:40:09,300 --> 00:40:14,420
out it's right there and they've said it's the easiest government to work with. And in my

551
00:40:14,420 --> 00:40:19,080
trainings that's why our conditional use permit it's listed to keep us out of mitigation,

552
00:40:19,500 --> 00:40:26,360
litigation. In the 17 years I've been here we have never denied a CUP and CUP's actually get

553
00:40:26,360 --> 00:40:31,520
more rights because the planning is owning if you take it to the whether it's permitted or conditional

554
00:40:31,520 --> 00:40:32,680
they're going to take them out.

555
00:40:33,720 --> 00:40:41,760
And so as far as staff, we have those safeguards in our ordinances, one there's noise.

556
00:40:42,460 --> 00:40:47,080
Like when we had our gravel pit out at Nubaria, I went out at 10-30 in the evening to make

557
00:40:47,080 --> 00:40:48,300
sure that it wasn't noisy.

558
00:40:49,040 --> 00:40:55,000
It hasn't been a burden because the sheriff and previous PNZs and our attorney did the nuisance

559
00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:55,440
ordinance.

560
00:40:56,140 --> 00:40:59,280
So the sheriff has been called out on noise ordinances and stuff.

561
00:40:59,280 --> 00:41:01,680
of those would stay even without the CUP.

562
00:41:02,060 --> 00:41:04,640
What a CUP does is put it in writing,

563
00:41:05,200 --> 00:41:07,680
they have to sign it, and we give it to them.

564
00:41:08,220 --> 00:41:09,320
And it can be revoked.

565
00:41:09,940 --> 00:41:11,780
And I've never had to revoke a CUP,

566
00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:13,100
but I've red-tagged them.

567
00:41:13,420 --> 00:41:14,940
And they get right on it,

568
00:41:15,000 --> 00:41:16,500
just kind of like her camp kayak thing

569
00:41:16,900 --> 00:41:18,580
when they know that it could get revoked.

570
00:41:19,100 --> 00:41:22,520
So I just want to clarify within my experience

571
00:41:22,520 --> 00:41:26,960
a regulating CUP's and ordinances for 17 years,

572
00:41:27,660 --> 00:41:37,260
It's been a wonderful process and I feel like we have a lot more rights than some of the counties and the city years ago when Robert Houston was the mayor, he was also on our

573
00:41:37,260 --> 00:41:49,020
PNZ and there was a big training about CUTs and litigation and I feel like our ordinance is in a good place because I think 17 years with no litigation is a good track record.

574
00:41:49,020 --> 00:41:55,880
So, I wanted to just kind of give you guys the history of, I really am proud of King County

575
00:41:55,880 --> 00:42:00,240
and the ordinances and the rights that they actually do give, because we do have a lot

576
00:42:00,240 --> 00:42:01,520
of more uses than a lot of counties.

577
00:42:03,860 --> 00:42:07,600
I like here, if an agro boom picks it, that's what I'm saying.

578
00:42:08,060 --> 00:42:15,000
I think it's fine the way it is, but also, the problems that we had, all the neighbors that

579
00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:22,560
pay here and protested it, or because they didn't want ten parties there, you know, I'm

580
00:42:22,560 --> 00:42:28,160
a big protector of people that the neighbors do. I don't pay. We all have property rights

581
00:42:28,160 --> 00:42:32,540
as true, but everybody has property rights, and they got up there not expecting to have

582
00:42:33,960 --> 00:42:42,420
ten RVs next to them having parties or whatever they do, you know. So I think we have to protect

583
00:42:42,420 --> 00:42:49,600
everybody's right, not just owners of the five-acre property. So I don't think

584
00:42:49,600 --> 00:42:57,180
it's wrong, I think we need it, it should leave it as. Well, Chair, just to be clear,

585
00:42:57,560 --> 00:43:02,420
it's already illegal to have a loud party, or whatever, and I was at all of

586
00:43:02,420 --> 00:43:06,540
those meetings with the neighbors, and I didn't really hear any of them saying

587
00:43:06,540 --> 00:43:13,340
the 10 RVs is the problem. I heard them saying there's a, you know, safety concern. Maybe

588
00:43:13,340 --> 00:43:20,300
the fire was not authorized. Complaints about the RVs and the, I'm assuming the ATVs and

589
00:43:20,300 --> 00:43:24,800
the dust. Like, I heard a lot of different things. I did not hear any of them saying, and there

590
00:43:24,800 --> 00:43:30,500
were just too many RVs I didn't like looking at it. No, but I think that, that's what all the

591
00:43:30,500 --> 00:43:34,460
people are there. The 10 RVs are there because there's so many people there. And, you know,

592
00:43:34,460 --> 00:43:39,380
people coming on to their property, and like you said, driving in the dust and blocking

593
00:43:39,380 --> 00:43:40,120
the world ways.

594
00:43:40,440 --> 00:43:43,620
And when there's that many people there, that's the kind of problems we have.

595
00:43:43,740 --> 00:43:47,500
So I think it would be a big mistake to allow that around, you know.

596
00:43:48,720 --> 00:43:51,360
Well, I think they can already use their property around.

597
00:43:51,580 --> 00:43:55,980
Really, we're not discussing an event or they had to have a permit for their reunion.

598
00:43:56,720 --> 00:43:59,480
They could have reunions many times here.

599
00:43:59,540 --> 00:44:01,820
It's just they wanted more RVs on their property.

600
00:44:02,840 --> 00:44:05,700
They're not limited to a hundred people in their property.

601
00:44:06,260 --> 00:44:11,220
The county, I think, specifically hasn't put anything in place to limit family reunions

602
00:44:11,220 --> 00:44:13,060
and the number of people that can gather.

603
00:44:13,220 --> 00:44:16,260
We don't have a special use permit for that.

604
00:44:16,380 --> 00:44:23,640
We have temporary uses to have RVs on their property above and beyond what our ordinance allows.

605
00:44:24,520 --> 00:44:31,420
So the other things in place with fire hazard, noise, those are already still in place.

606
00:44:31,900 --> 00:44:35,700
like whether we change it so they can have the 10 without having to get it

607
00:44:35,700 --> 00:44:41,800
permitted every year. They're still the safeguards. I think it's not going to do

608
00:44:41,800 --> 00:44:45,980
away with a family reunion where there's dust. Yeah, nobody's trying to do what

609
00:44:45,980 --> 00:44:49,680
with family reunion. I do something the way it happened. I mean all they have to do

610
00:44:49,680 --> 00:44:54,220
is go out there and get a permit. And if we take away the fee, that is not a problem at all.

611
00:44:54,280 --> 00:44:59,820
I know I wouldn't if I was in that position. You don't know it's all depending on

612
00:44:59,820 --> 00:44:59,960
You

613
00:45:00,660 --> 00:45:29,940
So, if they desire to grant them one, like it's not a given, it's not a right to have that temporary use, it could be cancelled. Now, if it's cancelled because they didn't follow all the boundaries and the rules, and that's one thing, if it's cancelled just because somebody decides they don't like it, then I'd be unsettling for me, if my family every year had to be on pins and needles, are we gonna get it this year? Are we gonna get it this year? I'm not saying that ours would do that,

614
00:45:29,940 --> 00:45:30,940
but that's what they're up to.

615
00:45:31,000 --> 00:45:34,200
We don't know who's always gonna be in that control

616
00:45:34,200 --> 00:45:35,140
of that decision.

617
00:45:35,340 --> 00:45:36,540
Well, you don't have the, I mean,

618
00:45:36,640 --> 00:45:39,280
you don't decide whether because you like her or not,

619
00:45:39,440 --> 00:45:41,640
I mean, it's the planning and zoning that occurs.

620
00:45:42,040 --> 00:45:43,480
Because they decided they like it or not.

621
00:45:43,680 --> 00:45:48,700
I really don't take no one's going to deny it

622
00:45:48,700 --> 00:45:50,360
just because they don't like that person

623
00:45:50,360 --> 00:45:51,300
or like what they're doing.

624
00:45:51,760 --> 00:45:54,080
And I don't see that as a problem at all.

625
00:45:54,660 --> 00:45:56,000
And I want to just clarify,

626
00:45:56,000 --> 00:46:09,820
CUPs can't be revoked too, so like if I get complaints just like on a temporary use permit, we have to go up and make sure so that we can have the language in there also, so comparing apples with apples.

627
00:46:10,500 --> 00:46:16,840
So were we able to know how many RFIs are not in a subdivision? I know there's 283.

628
00:46:16,840 --> 00:46:19,440
That's right, and he could come. He does have that.

629
00:46:19,620 --> 00:46:27,800
That's a question for you, is there a way of mechanism to find out the parcels that aren't in a subdivision that are archived still?

630
00:46:31,800 --> 00:46:33,800
It's okay. It can be very low.

631
00:46:34,980 --> 00:46:37,000
I know it's less than 283.

632
00:46:37,260 --> 00:46:39,880
It's exactly because they're like way more in a subdivision.

633
00:46:40,020 --> 00:46:40,620
So that's not.

634
00:46:41,240 --> 00:46:41,880
Yeah.

635
00:46:49,720 --> 00:46:54,060
Okay, is it going to be out 17? Say Shannon, do you have anything else on? No?

636
00:46:54,720 --> 00:47:03,560
Hold up. Like, just from my clarity, this is adding a new CUP process. It's not preserving

637
00:47:03,560 --> 00:47:12,680
an existing CUP process. No, it would be allowing a CUP in the R5 zone. And then what I also have

638
00:47:12,680 --> 00:47:20,500
to do correct me if I'm wrong attorney is make sure it's in a lot that's not in a subdivision

639
00:47:20,500 --> 00:47:27,080
when they come to get to see me correct because it's only if it's not in a subdivision that they

640
00:47:27,080 --> 00:47:34,820
can have more than the two RVs. Well that clarifying language being the ordinance for me directly

641
00:47:34,820 --> 00:47:37,840
but that way, then we're on the lead in the straight.

642
00:47:39,060 --> 00:47:40,260
Yeah, I guess I don't know.

643
00:47:40,360 --> 00:47:42,900
Are you asking just about R5 or just temporary?

644
00:47:43,180 --> 00:47:48,420
Like, the Commissioner Myers was asking as far as, like,

645
00:47:48,960 --> 00:47:53,680
when I permitted, like, I wouldn't be able to do the conditional

646
00:47:53,680 --> 00:47:55,440
use permit with just an R5.

647
00:47:55,660 --> 00:47:57,960
Like, Palomar is R5, but it's a subdivision.

648
00:47:58,460 --> 00:48:01,280
So if somebody came in to get a conditional use permit

649
00:48:01,280 --> 00:48:09,840
to have more than two RVs, they don't apply because they don't have, they're in the subdivision.

650
00:48:10,240 --> 00:48:13,900
The only way they can get a conditional use permit is if they're in a parcel,

651
00:48:14,380 --> 00:48:16,600
that's not the subdivision that was written in the US.

652
00:48:17,100 --> 00:48:17,540
Thank you.

653
00:48:17,880 --> 00:48:20,220
But there was that answer, what you were asking.

654
00:48:20,960 --> 00:48:21,140
Yes.

655
00:48:22,920 --> 00:48:25,140
So, I guess I have changed my position.

656
00:48:25,340 --> 00:48:30,480
I'm still not in favor of adding more CUPs, and in general, I would like to have less CUPs.

657
00:48:31,760 --> 00:48:36,400
But there will still be a temporary use, so if somebody is in a subdivision, they want

658
00:48:36,400 --> 00:48:40,980
to have an event, they want to have four RVs for the weekend or whatever, that's still

659
00:48:40,980 --> 00:48:43,060
available through this order.

660
00:48:43,180 --> 00:48:44,040
Yes, that's true.

661
00:48:44,380 --> 00:48:50,280
It's actually a CUP for five acres, outside of the suburbs.

662
00:48:51,000 --> 00:48:58,140
And as the boners said, if the original property owners would have come in and got a conditional

663
00:48:58,140 --> 00:49:00,420
use permit, it was allowed at that time because it was

664
00:49:00,420 --> 00:49:04,720
forced recreation, they would be able to do what they're doing today.

665
00:49:07,740 --> 00:49:11,700
So I mean, like she just said, if there is a division they'd have to give

666
00:49:11,700 --> 00:49:15,740
a temporary permit, so to me that they're not as though this should be the same.

667
00:49:16,660 --> 00:49:19,920
I think we should just leave it and make it simple and not try to,

668
00:49:19,980 --> 00:49:24,940
there's too many things to try to police who got to police what they're,

669
00:49:25,100 --> 00:49:28,860
you know, how many days old you were here two days last month and now you're

670
00:49:28,860 --> 00:49:32,160
Therefore, if their case is not going to happen, it's just not going to happen.

671
00:49:33,420 --> 00:49:39,600
And I do feel like it hasn't been working out completely smoothly as it was for a number of reasons.

672
00:49:39,960 --> 00:49:49,080
And one of them is that it creates sort of its surfaces, user complex and neighbor complex.

673
00:49:49,560 --> 00:49:58,180
Like we've been doing it, like we've been doing it, and it hasn't been sort of like there's been hurt feelings and neighbors and

674
00:49:58,180 --> 00:50:00,520
and neighbors, and people sending in pictures,

675
00:50:00,900 --> 00:50:02,800
and people trying to do the best they can,

676
00:50:03,060 --> 00:50:05,280
and people stressed out, and people paying tons of money,

677
00:50:05,540 --> 00:50:07,660
and people having to appeal it.

678
00:50:08,340 --> 00:50:10,980
And the planning and zoning thing,

679
00:50:11,260 --> 00:50:12,700
this issue over and over again,

680
00:50:12,860 --> 00:50:15,020
the county commission's using this issue over and over again,

681
00:50:15,600 --> 00:50:17,160
like the reason that I think there were,

682
00:50:17,760 --> 00:50:21,420
that we're to this point is an acknowledgement

683
00:50:21,880 --> 00:50:24,840
that what we're doing maybe isn't working so great,

684
00:50:25,140 --> 00:50:27,960
and that maybe we do need to look at something different.

685
00:50:27,960 --> 00:50:36,300
I'd like to clarify, the only reason this is on the docket is a new neighbor moved in and called me.

686
00:50:36,740 --> 00:50:42,040
It had been happening for decades. It was actually a new neighbor that called and asked about it.

687
00:50:42,600 --> 00:50:49,640
So they've been doing this for 40 years, I think, before anybody complained and it was a new neighbor that barely had built a home.

688
00:50:50,740 --> 00:51:00,300
So, and I don't have these kind of complaints with any other RV project, this is the only one and it was in 2021.

689
00:51:01,320 --> 00:51:09,140
Just want to clarify with this process, Heritage Acres is the only one. We've had other temporary permits that have allowed more than two.

690
00:51:09,760 --> 00:51:14,180
You know that being on the PNZ and I have never had complaints, this is the only one.

691
00:51:14,180 --> 00:51:20,400
So we're we're we're looking at one project here and wanting to change a whole ordinance on one project

692
00:51:20,400 --> 00:51:27,300
That concerns me that there's my point totally. That's it. I don't think we should be changing ordinances for one

693
00:51:28,240 --> 00:51:28,740
Situations

694
00:51:28,740 --> 00:51:34,120
Sure, I don't feel we're changing it for one situation. There might be more out there

695
00:51:34,120 --> 00:51:35,860
We just don't know of them, but

696
00:51:37,040 --> 00:51:38,720
Nobody wanted to change the whole

697
00:51:39,480 --> 00:51:46,340
Ordinance either, so to me this was kind of a win-win, like how do we, by not allowing it in subdivisions,

698
00:51:46,600 --> 00:51:51,880
yeah, it is very specific, but it goes back to what put him in this position, it was a blanket zone change.

699
00:51:52,520 --> 00:51:56,380
The commissioner did look at every single lot and said, well, this should be this, and this should be that.

700
00:51:56,480 --> 00:52:00,620
They like, no, anything under 10 will be residential, over 10 will be ag.

701
00:52:01,340 --> 00:52:06,880
And so to me, we're just trying to deal with some of the aftermath of that.

702
00:52:06,880 --> 00:52:09,900
There hasn't been much. She seems like it was a great thing when it happened.

703
00:52:11,120 --> 00:52:14,600
I want to clarify because I keep hearing it coming up just so you can

704
00:52:14,600 --> 00:52:18,420
understand. Ag are 10 acres and above. And this

705
00:52:18,420 --> 00:52:21,560
doesn't apply to act. We don't regulate our fees on ag.

706
00:52:22,260 --> 00:52:26,440
So to have an RFI zone that's like 20 acres, I don't see it happening

707
00:52:26,440 --> 00:52:30,180
I could because we've had some developers get a zone change and not

708
00:52:30,900 --> 00:52:33,520
subdued by their property. But it would be very, very rare.

709
00:52:33,520 --> 00:52:37,980
So R5 is a residential five and it's usually that they can have five acres.

710
00:52:38,240 --> 00:52:39,120
They usually don't have more.

711
00:52:39,800 --> 00:52:44,820
So in ag, we're not regulating all of our big parcels or any tonight that this is just

712
00:52:44,820 --> 00:52:46,300
truly residential zones.

713
00:52:48,480 --> 00:52:49,360
Thank you.

714
00:52:49,740 --> 00:52:54,520
Yeah, like you said, it's been working for many, many years with only this one, because

715
00:52:54,520 --> 00:52:58,440
like, I'm one of the reasons it did study, you know, they had problems, it's one year they

716
00:52:58,440 --> 00:53:02,660
forgot to get, they didn't go gift or temporary use for it, but that's, that's not something

717
00:53:02,660 --> 00:53:04,740
to do with the ordinance that they just didn't do it.

718
00:53:07,300 --> 00:53:10,340
So, that's what brought, from being out of Chinese only,

719
00:53:10,480 --> 00:53:13,380
that's what I remember is that they just forgot to do it.

720
00:53:13,560 --> 00:53:15,860
So, it's not the county's issue.

721
00:53:16,640 --> 00:53:17,800
It's that they didn't do it.

722
00:53:17,960 --> 00:53:21,900
And it's worked for many, many years, and yeah,

723
00:53:22,080 --> 00:53:24,920
I, we try to complicate everything

724
00:53:24,920 --> 00:53:26,140
that isn't that complicated.

725
00:53:27,020 --> 00:53:28,820
And I think that's all we're doing here

726
00:53:28,820 --> 00:53:31,260
is making it way more complicated than it should be.

727
00:53:31,260 --> 00:53:31,940
I

728
00:53:34,440 --> 00:53:42,080
can't understand Commissioner Myers wanting not wanting to do a CUP, but the same like

729
00:53:42,080 --> 00:53:44,020
our county has a pretty good track record.

730
00:53:44,560 --> 00:53:48,800
You know, if we haven't had litigation, sometimes I've heard Jeff say that he doesn't necessarily

731
00:53:48,800 --> 00:53:55,120
like CUP's because there's interpretation in there, but if we've had success with it for

732
00:53:55,120 --> 00:54:02,680
have for many years without litigation. I feel like how it's written minus the 30

733
00:54:02,680 --> 00:54:07,500
accumulative days for calendar year would be what I would want to see just

734
00:54:07,500 --> 00:54:13,820
put the seasonal use on it. What do you mean about seasonal use? That's six

735
00:54:13,820 --> 00:54:21,160
accumulative months. So what you're saying is keep everything except for remove

736
00:54:21,160 --> 00:54:26,940
of the 30-day requirement, where I just put it season-leaves, which is the final

737
00:54:26,940 --> 00:54:27,580
phase at the beginning.

738
00:54:30,380 --> 00:54:33,760
And then in addition, take out what Jeff, why not make it a

739
00:54:33,760 --> 00:54:38,080
motion with me? Jeff, I wanted to make, take out additional. And then if we added

740
00:54:38,080 --> 00:54:45,780
the residential setbacks, put the word residential in there. Do you want to put

741
00:54:45,780 --> 00:54:51,700
in that if it's more than five acres, they don't get one per or two per additional

742
00:54:51,700 --> 00:54:56,400
anchor. I think that could be an important distinction.

743
00:55:03,000 --> 00:55:04,220
Yeah, I was just reading how it

744
00:55:04,220 --> 00:55:11,380
read. So right now it would be allowed. I find the limit. With the limit up to 10? Is

745
00:55:11,380 --> 00:55:16,740
that kind of what you're thinking? No. Well, they could be that as well, but my proposal

746
00:55:16,740 --> 00:55:22,380
was if it's like for the first five acres, it's a formula that we've already discussed. For

747
00:55:22,380 --> 00:55:27,000
acres over and above five acres they would only get one more for each

748
00:55:27,000 --> 00:55:31,600
additional full five acres. That was my thought. I think it's complicated and to me

749
00:55:31,600 --> 00:55:36,020
they can go get a temporary use if they're wanting to do more than 10 or 40

750
00:55:36,020 --> 00:55:42,160
acres or something. The other skips people an opportunity not to have to keep

751
00:55:42,160 --> 00:55:47,500
renewing they have they they have an assurance that unless they break the rules

752
00:55:47,500 --> 00:55:50,360
of that CEP that they'll be able to use their property.

753
00:55:51,120 --> 00:55:54,220
What that CEP's allowing is just a different size thing.

754
00:55:55,340 --> 00:56:00,300
I really think that can be a good compromise.

755
00:56:03,350 --> 00:56:05,750
I mean, they can do it now. They can use their property.

756
00:56:05,970 --> 00:56:08,230
They call it, I don't see why it's such a big deal.

757
00:56:08,370 --> 00:56:09,830
It's just like anything else in your life.

758
00:56:09,970 --> 00:56:11,550
You go register your car once a year.

759
00:56:11,770 --> 00:56:13,650
You pay your taxes once a year.

760
00:56:13,810 --> 00:56:17,730
You do all that. I don't understand why getting a temporary use permit

761
00:56:17,730 --> 00:56:19,570
because it's such a big deal once in a year.

762
00:56:20,030 --> 00:56:23,030
Well, some people feel like I feel like it's not

763
00:56:23,030 --> 00:56:25,330
such a big deal that people want to have more than two RVs

764
00:56:25,330 --> 00:56:26,210
on a five-acre lot.

765
00:56:27,090 --> 00:56:28,710
There's no true harm to the neighbors,

766
00:56:28,990 --> 00:56:30,790
so it's just, you know,

767
00:56:30,910 --> 00:56:32,450
even everyone has a different perspective.

768
00:56:33,650 --> 00:56:35,810
Right, you say there's no true harm to the neighbors,

769
00:56:35,950 --> 00:56:36,750
but the neighbors disagree.

770
00:56:37,530 --> 00:56:38,250
What a person.

771
00:56:38,610 --> 00:56:42,050
I'm not saying the actual RV is what I'm saying.

772
00:56:42,750 --> 00:56:45,730
All the people that come with it is what I'm saying, so.

773
00:56:49,830 --> 00:56:52,570
Okay, I

774
00:56:54,710 --> 00:56:59,910
would like to make a motion that we just leave it alone and do not approve

775
00:56:59,910 --> 00:57:06,720
We deny ordinance 2026-22. Other comments?

776
00:57:09,940 --> 00:57:11,080
Let's roll call.

777
00:57:11,920 --> 00:57:13,460
Okay, Maddie?

778
00:57:16,830 --> 00:57:17,470
Ney.

779
00:57:17,470 --> 00:57:17,850
Aye.

780
00:57:18,610 --> 00:57:18,930
Ney.

781
00:57:19,370 --> 00:57:20,850
Okay, the...

782
00:57:20,850 --> 00:57:22,370
Didn't they sell it?

783
00:57:22,570 --> 00:57:24,850
So now I have to make a new motion.

784
00:57:24,850 --> 00:57:28,850
How did you want to make it since you basically already said it?

785
00:57:29,070 --> 00:57:35,110
Chair, I move that we approve King County ordinance 2026-2222

786
00:57:36,970 --> 00:57:46,730
with the changes of a number 4 adding residential to the word setback

787
00:57:46,730 --> 00:57:51,430
and I don't know if you can put a link there so it takes into where those are

788
00:57:51,430 --> 00:58:05,250
and then taking out additional and the C little I and then under C2 take out 30

789
00:58:05,250 --> 00:58:08,850
accumulate days per calendar year and put seasonal use.

790
00:58:15,130 --> 00:58:16,250
Okay, any other questions?

791
00:58:17,650 --> 00:58:19,770
Okay, I'll be there. We'll do another roll call.

792
00:58:22,280 --> 00:58:22,600
Hey.

793
00:58:23,520 --> 00:58:23,960
Hi.

794
00:58:24,600 --> 00:58:24,900
Hey.

795
00:58:25,420 --> 00:58:25,720
Hi.

796
00:58:26,820 --> 00:58:27,260
Okay.

797
00:58:27,620 --> 00:58:28,480
That motion passes.

798
00:58:31,540 --> 00:58:32,420
Thank you.

799
00:58:32,820 --> 00:58:33,100
Thank you.

800
00:58:33,320 --> 00:58:33,500
Thank you.

801
00:58:34,140 --> 00:58:34,540
Thank you.

802
00:58:34,820 --> 00:58:34,960
Thank you.

803
00:58:35,700 --> 00:58:37,600
Can I take a quick question on that one?

804
00:58:37,780 --> 00:58:47,280
As I was reading it, it seemed like there were one or two places in the unchanged areas that are now going to be in inconsistent with the changed areas.

805
00:58:47,280 --> 00:58:51,260
areas. I don't remember exactly what it was, but can you just look at over super

806
00:58:51,260 --> 00:58:53,600
good and in motion? Make sure you catch everything.

807
00:58:54,240 --> 00:58:54,480
Absolutely.

808
00:58:55,760 --> 00:58:58,800
Okay, when we don't go, we'll move on to the next item.

809
00:58:59,140 --> 00:59:03,500
Discuss, except the 2026 cooperative marketing grant.

810
00:59:04,300 --> 00:59:07,000
215,750,200. This is cashier.

811
00:59:07,640 --> 00:59:11,300
Okay, Janet. Well, Janet come up. So, Janet and her team did the hard

812
00:59:11,300 --> 00:59:15,280
work of applying for this grant. It's through the Utah Office of

813
00:59:15,280 --> 00:59:17,900
the tourism, I'll let her explain what it is, you know.

814
00:59:18,300 --> 00:59:18,920
Now let's take up.

815
00:59:19,420 --> 00:59:21,520
Sure, so thank you, Commissioner.

816
00:59:22,180 --> 00:59:24,780
And this is the grant we've applied for and received

817
00:59:24,780 --> 00:59:26,240
for several years in a row now.

818
00:59:27,020 --> 00:59:29,120
It's an opportunity that the state gives

819
00:59:29,120 --> 00:59:33,400
to tourism directors and the tourism departments,

820
00:59:33,920 --> 00:59:37,600
along with individual entities like, for example,

821
00:59:37,600 --> 00:59:41,180
to a con also applies and they can get a grant

822
00:59:41,180 --> 00:59:48,040
or the symphony, the Salt Lake Valley West, I believe they also like it anyway.

823
00:59:48,760 --> 00:59:53,500
But they have a section for specifically for tourism directors and we applied.

824
00:59:53,900 --> 00:59:59,860
It's a matching grant and as you know you guys all sign a letter in the application process.

825
01:00:00,180 --> 01:00:29,400
I have a letter stating that we would support it, whatever we got awarded that we would do the match. And then also, I had to get letters from the community from other tourism partners. And so I did about five letters, I think, from different tourism partners supporting the ground and the marketing that we can do with it. The grant has to be spent specifically on what we applied for, which in this case, we did marketing for our general marketing campaign, along with balloons and tunes.

826
01:00:29,400 --> 01:00:37,200
and the PRCA and with that of this grant only 25% can be spent in the state of Utah so it's

827
01:00:37,200 --> 01:00:42,960
really promoting outside which works really well for us. We primarily will do Phoenix and

828
01:00:42,960 --> 01:00:49,060
Las Vegas with the grant which is our dried markets which also works really well and we were just

829
01:00:49,060 --> 01:00:54,580
really happy to receive the amount. I don't know what my heart 157 is.

830
01:00:56,960 --> 01:00:59,800
Anyway so now we'll be

831
01:00:59,800 --> 01:01:05,140
following up shortly in the midway I think it says October or September 4th. They'll send us

832
01:01:05,140 --> 01:01:12,140
an actual contract. I'll run it through Jeff's office as we always do and then we'll accept it and

833
01:01:12,140 --> 01:01:17,620
then we can apply for 50% of the money now and then I wait and apply for the other 50% at the end of

834
01:01:18,520 --> 01:01:22,560
So it's already I kind of put it as a budget anticipating that we would get a

835
01:01:22,560 --> 01:01:28,640
ground. And so we're just happy we got it. Is there any questions? No sounds great.

836
01:01:29,780 --> 01:01:37,020
Can I ask a couple questions? Sure. So one, the match, does that come from the TRT

837
01:01:37,020 --> 01:01:43,180
marketing dollars? Yes. Which again, our TRT budget is required to be spent on

838
01:01:43,180 --> 01:01:48,420
marketing, establishing and promoting. So this is actually money we would have already spent

839
01:01:48,420 --> 01:01:53,740
doing this, but now we get doubled. And then it frees up, not frees up, but we can just

840
01:01:53,740 --> 01:01:59,420
use the money like maybe to help in our events or things like that where we've got extra to

841
01:01:59,420 --> 01:02:04,900
go towards the specific out-of-state marketing. Yeah. And did you say the money came from you

842
01:02:04,900 --> 01:02:09,720
what? Or from? Yeah, you talked to tourism through, and I don't know which avenue. I mean,

843
01:02:09,720 --> 01:02:15,020
Okay, it's listed somewhere. I just don't know the top of my head. So it's a good way to maximize our

844
01:02:15,600 --> 01:02:19,880
spending and get more bang for them up. It really is because we're going to do it anyway.

845
01:02:20,540 --> 01:02:25,200
Do you know why they gave a little less than then, you know, previous years?

846
01:02:25,440 --> 01:02:30,760
I don't know. I think it was their cut. You know, they get cut a little bit every year. I do know,

847
01:02:31,120 --> 01:02:38,380
they sent me a list of every award. I was able to see that. We are always in the top, I don't know,

848
01:02:38,380 --> 01:02:41,720
I would say five to ten of the counties that get the awards.

849
01:02:41,900 --> 01:02:46,920
We usually are right in line with the Grand County Moab and what they get, which is again

850
01:02:46,920 --> 01:02:47,400
the same.

851
01:02:47,540 --> 01:02:49,420
We're about 3,000 less than Moab this year.

852
01:02:50,660 --> 01:02:51,140
I know.

853
01:02:51,520 --> 01:02:51,720
I don't know.

854
01:02:51,860 --> 01:02:53,340
I mean, yeah.

855
01:02:53,400 --> 01:02:53,700
Who knows?

856
01:02:54,020 --> 01:02:58,120
There's a scoring system, and it does say how many points we got, you know, we got 87 points

857
01:02:58,120 --> 01:02:58,660
or something.

858
01:02:58,900 --> 01:03:04,160
And so I can go back and look over and see, but yeah, I mean, it's just, I feel, I feel

859
01:03:04,160 --> 01:03:09,880
It makes me feel good to know that we're in the top percentage of the people getting the grants.

860
01:03:10,160 --> 01:03:12,300
There's like who gets more than us.

861
01:03:12,400 --> 01:03:20,200
I know Garfield and Davis County for some reason they always, I don't know if they're hitting every box, whatever they're doing, but yeah.

862
01:03:20,720 --> 01:03:23,300
You could make it less G or T. Garfield gets more.

863
01:03:23,340 --> 01:03:25,180
Garfield gets less. I'm not sure.

864
01:03:26,260 --> 01:03:28,420
Davis has to get more because there's a big one now.

865
01:03:29,180 --> 01:03:30,060
It doesn't take much time.

866
01:03:30,060 --> 01:03:32,480
And maybe they, you know, everybody does different things.

867
01:03:32,620 --> 01:03:34,280
You can do a specific project.

868
01:03:34,280 --> 01:03:38,040
I know, I believe last year, Garfield did a specific

869
01:03:38,040 --> 01:03:42,180
to Bryce Canyon and they went to, I believe, New York City

870
01:03:42,180 --> 01:03:45,720
and did a thing with journalists specific

871
01:03:45,720 --> 01:03:49,700
and maybe they liked that specificness, which we could do

872
01:03:49,700 --> 01:03:53,880
at some point, which don't have a barbarian park like that.

873
01:03:54,660 --> 01:03:56,260
Anyway, I'm not sure.

874
01:03:56,260 --> 01:04:03,980
Yeah, my last question is virtually so for Jeff and if there's some way that we can

875
01:04:03,980 --> 01:04:09,140
approve everything that we need to now, ending our review and then not have to bring

876
01:04:09,140 --> 01:04:10,300
it back to a kind of commission.

877
01:04:11,760 --> 01:04:13,620
Is it going that signs up the chair?

878
01:04:17,040 --> 01:04:21,340
Well, I think I just signed it and then well, I don't know, we've done different things, but

879
01:04:21,340 --> 01:04:22,000
whatever.

880
01:04:22,000 --> 01:04:27,860
So it doesn't have to be a commissioner signing a color draft over from our perspective.

881
01:04:27,860 --> 01:04:33,820
No, it's dealt with decide when to give the grant, but I don't see it.

882
01:04:34,480 --> 01:04:41,520
I think you can approve of that either or if you wanted a different name.

883
01:04:41,740 --> 01:04:42,080
Let me know.

884
01:04:43,240 --> 01:04:47,400
If you could usually sign it, this is a temporary number over the years, too many grants.

885
01:04:48,100 --> 01:04:50,880
There's a lot of grants and this is a great one.

886
01:04:52,080 --> 01:05:21,970
Okay. Thank you. So I guess we just just somebody want to make a motion. Sure. Chair, I move that we accept the 2026 cooperative marketing grant year one for 157,200 with the caveat that we will be reviewed by our attorney and give authority to have our chairs and directors in that are one of the commissioners on.

887
01:05:23,050 --> 01:05:24,650
I'm going to be able to work on this here.

888
01:05:25,390 --> 01:05:25,990
Any discussion?

889
01:05:27,150 --> 01:05:27,870
Okay, all in favor?

890
01:05:28,210 --> 01:05:28,410
Hi.

891
01:05:28,610 --> 01:05:28,810
Hi.

892
01:05:29,650 --> 01:05:30,870
That was unanimous.

893
01:05:31,350 --> 01:05:31,910
Thank you.

894
01:05:32,510 --> 01:05:33,170
Thanks, Jenna.

895
01:05:34,670 --> 01:05:35,070
Okay.

896
01:05:35,370 --> 01:05:40,730
The next thing is discussed vote on five county association of government's very agency on

897
01:05:40,730 --> 01:05:43,950
aging for FY27 contract.

898
01:05:44,170 --> 01:05:44,610
Oh, thank you.

899
01:05:44,690 --> 01:05:46,370
We're going to sit there.

900
01:05:46,370 --> 01:05:47,010
We're going to sit there.

901
01:05:47,850 --> 01:05:48,650
The TRT.

902
01:05:49,130 --> 01:05:50,810
Oh, I just crossed that out for some time.

903
01:05:50,810 --> 01:06:03,630
Okay, let's do well. Okay. Discuss vote on expenditure of TRT funds for 110,000 to the King County Water Conservancy District for bathrooms, and shade in pavilions, had the Jackson flat reservoir.

904
01:06:05,450 --> 01:06:07,610
Did you want to talk about that, Patty? Sure.

905
01:06:08,070 --> 01:06:14,690
So the two documents I've put in there. One is the budget for the year with the TRT showing that under.

906
01:06:17,050 --> 01:06:21,970
We had $500,000 budgeted for projects, and when we did the budget last year, we did not

907
01:06:21,970 --> 01:06:23,890
break that down to all the specific projects.

908
01:06:24,230 --> 01:06:30,810
So, if you go to the next one, it shows this was information that Shemile had provided

909
01:06:30,810 --> 01:06:38,610
for Janette and the King County Tax and Charism Board of what been obligated and are in

910
01:06:38,610 --> 01:06:39,890
the process of being spent.

911
01:06:40,430 --> 01:06:44,430
Some of this is not just projects, like the EMS is out of a different line in the roads,

912
01:06:44,430 --> 01:06:54,870
but out of the projects, it was the kiosk, the fairgrounds, the signs, and then this, so

913
01:06:54,870 --> 01:06:59,750
a system or observatory, the bathrooms are out there where they're building that, that

914
01:06:59,750 --> 01:07:06,430
was, this is what was voted on by the Kate tourism board, they did think that was a good

915
01:07:06,430 --> 01:07:12,650
expenditure, so I was just asking, they need that much to finish the contract, or the other

916
01:07:12,650 --> 01:07:16,710
short that much to finish the contract for their project out at the reservoir.

917
01:07:18,510 --> 01:07:22,490
And it's owned by the Waterton Service. That's what the money would go to them.

918
01:07:24,550 --> 01:07:29,490
So we still have, since we budgeted $500, when I counted it, I think we're still at $450,

919
01:07:29,910 --> 01:07:34,610
even giving this much, like we still have $50,000 left in that budget.

920
01:07:36,310 --> 01:07:37,910
We haven't overspent that much.

921
01:07:44,620 --> 01:07:54,940
I have a lot of angst over the years about not wanting to give general taxpayer dollars

922
01:07:54,940 --> 01:08:03,200
that 75% in general come from businesses to a tax exempt organization who has demonstrated

923
01:08:03,200 --> 01:08:13,120
in history of attempting to cost businesses more money with prohibitive

924
01:08:13,120 --> 01:08:18,760
regulations on lighting, not just on new builds, but including retroactively

925
01:08:18,760 --> 01:08:27,400
on existing builds. And I haven't wanted the discussion to be well, you

926
01:08:27,400 --> 01:08:32,520
invested in this observatory. So now everyone else in the county has to keep

927
01:08:32,520 --> 01:08:42,120
their lights low to make up for that. And so kind of the compromise that I felt comfortable

928
01:08:42,120 --> 01:08:49,520
making was, but it is true, the side of the observatory that bathrooms would be very

929
01:08:49,520 --> 01:08:55,860
helpful for the general public use. And we would have to have a porta-potty out there.

930
01:08:55,860 --> 01:09:03,780
and so I guess what I'm saying is I'm okay putting, I know it's not general,

931
01:09:04,040 --> 01:09:13,000
lunch, but I'm okay putting taxpayer dollars to bathrooms at the water

932
01:09:13,000 --> 01:09:24,660
conservancy even though I'm generally opposed to a project that would be very

933
01:09:24,660 --> 01:09:31,700
likely to impede the rights of the other businesses and residents in the area.

934
01:09:32,020 --> 01:09:43,970
So, especially when there hasn't been a measurable or concrete benefit to those regulations

935
01:09:43,970 --> 01:09:46,770
and investment.

936
01:09:47,350 --> 01:09:53,990
So I guess that's a very long way to say I'm okay with this expenditure going for bathrooms

937
01:09:53,990 --> 01:10:01,850
that everybody can use not just the observatory folks and so basically it's

938
01:10:01,850 --> 01:10:03,110
money to go to bathrooms.

939
01:10:05,490 --> 01:10:05,930
Okay.

940
01:10:06,110 --> 01:10:06,370
Thank you.

941
01:10:06,710 --> 01:10:11,670
No, I'm just going to say, you know, I see the community coming together, they, you know,

942
01:10:11,730 --> 01:10:15,130
there's grants from the state, garcane, water, conservancy,

943
01:10:17,240 --> 01:10:20,160
these, been part of it, but I think

944
01:10:20,160 --> 01:10:24,520
it will be great asset out on that side of the reservoir if only for bathroom for the shade.

945
01:10:25,600 --> 01:10:34,480
I agree with that, and I do agree with parts of what, so I'll say it too, but I don't think we ever have to, you know,

946
01:10:34,600 --> 01:10:39,640
right day might request that we require lower lighting or what, but we don't ever have to improve that.

947
01:10:39,860 --> 01:10:42,060
So I'm very, just a bathroomist too.

948
01:10:43,980 --> 01:10:46,020
Okay, does anyone do a motion on that one?

949
01:10:46,880 --> 01:10:56,480
Chair, I move that we approve an expenditure of 110,000 from our TRT project fund item granted

950
01:10:56,480 --> 01:11:00,620
to the Cain County Water Conservancy District for bathrooms and a shade of the Pavilion

951
01:11:00,620 --> 01:11:01,560
of the Jackson Plans.

952
01:11:01,860 --> 01:11:03,680
All in favor.

953
01:11:04,300 --> 01:11:04,440
Aye.

954
01:11:04,780 --> 01:11:04,960
Aye.

955
01:11:05,820 --> 01:11:05,980
Aye.

956
01:11:06,100 --> 01:11:06,960
That was unanimous.

957
01:11:07,380 --> 01:11:07,640
Okay.

958
01:11:07,680 --> 01:11:11,840
Now we'll move on to the Discussing Board on the 5 County Association of Governments,

959
01:11:11,840 --> 01:11:17,380
very agency on aging, the FY27 contract, and this is Commissioner Camille.

960
01:11:17,880 --> 01:11:19,500
Yeah, Jerrica wasn't able to be here.

961
01:11:19,720 --> 01:11:26,120
We had a change over of cooks, so she's in the process of getting the new cook online,

962
01:11:26,420 --> 01:11:28,300
so she will come and present.

963
01:11:28,580 --> 01:11:33,680
She usually comes in as a beautiful presentation on what's happening with active living

964
01:11:33,680 --> 01:11:39,240
centers and the council on aging and with how the money's being used, so basically this

965
01:11:39,240 --> 01:11:44,120
is a grant that we get every year, goes through the five county, one of the reasons we can use

966
01:11:44,120 --> 01:11:49,240
five counties. We don't have to do all this paperwork ourselves. It has been reviewed by Jeff.

967
01:11:50,860 --> 01:11:54,480
I've tried to read through it. I don't know how Jeff reads through legal things because there's a lot

968
01:11:54,480 --> 01:12:00,860
of legal stuff in the special right hand, but yeah, I can't say I write everything, go work.

969
01:12:01,320 --> 01:12:07,860
But basically, we get money for the meals on wheels where we deliver the food and we get subsidized

970
01:12:07,860 --> 01:12:16,020
to provide meals in this congregate, to also help with the seniors, with visits, or

971
01:12:16,020 --> 01:12:18,920
transportation, and a whole list of people with that.

972
01:12:19,680 --> 01:12:25,060
It does lay out exactly how much money we get for each of the different categories, and

973
01:12:25,060 --> 01:12:31,600
then the county does, we do, it's not a required match, but we do general funds on our senior

974
01:12:31,600 --> 01:12:32,340
center program.

975
01:12:35,960 --> 01:12:38,440
I think this is a really important thing for you all.

976
01:12:39,200 --> 01:12:42,460
We do need to ship orders and usually I think it's great.

977
01:12:43,780 --> 01:12:44,900
Anybody else have anything?

978
01:12:46,380 --> 01:12:49,820
No, I mean I think there's no...

979
01:12:49,820 --> 01:12:51,500
Is this the first year you reviewed a GIF?

980
01:12:51,640 --> 01:12:52,800
I don't know if there's any changes.

981
01:12:53,700 --> 01:12:55,540
The dollar amounts have changed a little bit,

982
01:12:55,600 --> 01:12:58,660
but basically you get $198,980.

983
01:12:58,660 --> 01:13:03,440
Don't worry. I'm unaware of any substance to choose from.

984
01:13:04,060 --> 01:13:06,620
And it looks like we need to review it every year.

985
01:13:09,300 --> 01:13:11,540
At least. Yeah.

986
01:13:11,940 --> 01:13:13,200
Are you asking me to? Yeah.

987
01:13:13,900 --> 01:13:18,140
Like from the very beginning, it was talking about the time that it was valid for.

988
01:13:18,720 --> 01:13:19,840
It's only valid three from 27.

989
01:13:20,840 --> 01:13:23,380
Yeah, it'll be need to be signed every year.

990
01:13:23,700 --> 01:13:27,300
Whether or not you can, whether it has to be reviewed every year,

991
01:13:27,300 --> 01:13:29,060
or we could think about it.

992
01:13:29,120 --> 01:13:31,280
There's a way to just have Eric in the commission

993
01:13:31,280 --> 01:13:31,860
or whatever.

994
01:13:33,280 --> 01:13:35,160
OK, I understand what you're saying.

995
01:13:35,340 --> 01:13:39,000
I was saying, we'll have to make this decision again

996
01:13:39,000 --> 01:13:42,720
every year, but it looks like our cash

997
01:13:42,720 --> 01:13:44,360
in the actual is $9,000,000.

998
01:13:45,740 --> 01:13:47,020
So that's a pretty good deal.

999
01:13:47,160 --> 01:13:48,380
Yeah, that's how we're going to help you.

1000
01:13:49,100 --> 01:13:50,860
I was worked all the hope you have to jump through,

1001
01:13:51,080 --> 01:13:51,880
all the reports.

1002
01:13:52,360 --> 01:13:53,740
Yeah, thank you.

1003
01:13:54,540 --> 01:13:56,280
OK, is there any more discussion on that?

1004
01:13:56,280 --> 01:13:57,460
Does anybody want to do a motion?

1005
01:13:58,840 --> 01:14:03,620
Chair, I'll move that we approve the Five County Association

1006
01:14:03,620 --> 01:14:08,280
of Governments Area Agency on Aging,

1007
01:14:08,660 --> 01:14:11,680
this year, 27 contract has presented.

1008
01:14:12,560 --> 01:14:13,480
Okay, any discussion?

1009
01:14:14,020 --> 01:14:14,200
You know?

1010
01:14:14,600 --> 01:14:15,120
How's my favorite?

1011
01:14:15,380 --> 01:14:15,620
Hi.

1012
01:14:16,660 --> 01:14:18,820
That was unanimous, favorite, and favorite.

1013
01:14:19,680 --> 01:14:23,020
Okay, we'll move on to the review of legislative issues.

1014
01:14:23,560 --> 01:14:25,520
Do they give you have any of that?

1015
01:14:25,720 --> 01:14:26,720
What was you going to talk about?

1016
01:14:31,340 --> 01:14:32,620
Well, that's what she likes to do.

1017
01:14:33,040 --> 01:14:34,400
So that's what I was going to talk about.

1018
01:14:34,460 --> 01:14:36,580
That would have been just a couple of times.

1019
01:14:38,800 --> 01:14:41,720
There are two that are impacting us currently

1020
01:14:41,720 --> 01:14:44,700
and they are still the Louisville,

1021
01:14:44,840 --> 01:14:46,400
which is Wildland Urban Interface.

1022
01:14:46,860 --> 01:14:49,340
Nothing's too majorly new on that front.

1023
01:14:50,220 --> 01:14:55,860
And then there's also the preliminary municipality legislation

1024
01:14:55,860 --> 01:14:59,980
So I have a question.

1025
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:28,560
Relationship with Senator Cal Muscleman over the years. And so he has allowed me to be a member of a special committee that he's chairing this year over interim regarding annexation, incorporation and preliminary municipalities. And we had a focused meeting on preliminary municipalities last week.

1026
01:15:28,560 --> 01:15:35,660
In advance of that, we took the information that our county attorney Jeff had compiled

1027
01:15:35,660 --> 01:15:41,960
based on our recommendations and then Taylor Glover, our government affairs director, took

1028
01:15:41,960 --> 01:15:50,340
all of our thoughts over the years since Willow has been applying for preliminary municipality

1029
01:15:50,340 --> 01:15:58,360
status and he took the proposed bill language line by line and inserted our suggestions

1030
01:15:58,360 --> 01:16:06,140
to make a really rock solid proposal that if the legislature decides to implement those

1031
01:16:06,140 --> 01:16:12,620
suggestions, I think will be in a much better place going forward with future preliminaries.

1032
01:16:13,120 --> 01:16:17,680
It doesn't revoke willow or anything like that.

1033
01:16:17,960 --> 01:16:28,240
It just puts stops further bleeding if new preliminary municipalities try to take place.

1034
01:16:28,240 --> 01:16:35,500
after work, because currently there are allowed to in the state per year.

1035
01:16:38,020 --> 01:16:38,780
So

1036
01:16:40,800 --> 01:16:45,260
we presented in that, or I presented in that meeting what David had

1037
01:16:45,260 --> 01:16:48,580
compiled and what all of us have been working on together.

1038
01:16:49,520 --> 01:16:56,260
And we did hear one encouraging piece of news and that was that the legislature

1039
01:16:56,260 --> 01:17:02,240
So you should consider it a non-starter to increase the minimum from two.

1040
01:17:02,800 --> 01:17:06,660
So currently there's a maximum, not minimum, but maximum.

1041
01:17:07,180 --> 01:17:11,040
Currently there's a maximum of two new preliminaries per year.

1042
01:17:11,780 --> 01:17:20,200
And there is a push from certain fronts to remove or increase that maximum.

1043
01:17:20,980 --> 01:17:25,400
And that was said, no, you know, we're not going to consider that.

1044
01:17:25,400 --> 01:17:28,500
so I was very grateful to hear that said out loud.

1045
01:17:32,830 --> 01:17:37,390
We shall see, I hope to have a meeting with the Senator,

1046
01:17:38,530 --> 01:17:42,650
like a one-on-one in the next week or two,

1047
01:17:43,550 --> 01:17:47,610
to really drill down on which of these things are keepers

1048
01:17:47,610 --> 01:17:48,590
that we've suggested.

1049
01:17:49,010 --> 01:17:51,670
Like, for example, skip

1050
01:17:55,190 --> 01:17:56,410
forward to status report.

1051
01:17:56,410 --> 01:18:04,530
The tradition for it is that Willow has put in their application or whatever they triggered

1052
01:18:04,530 --> 01:18:10,410
the process to start their preliminary, which is big news.

1053
01:18:10,650 --> 01:18:15,190
We were kind of hoping that the 12 months would just go by and they would never go forward

1054
01:18:15,190 --> 01:18:22,430
with it, but they have put in their application September 17th is the final day for the Lieutenant

1055
01:18:22,430 --> 01:18:32,330
governor to our lieutenant governor's office to look at everything so if anyone has input for the

1056
01:18:32,330 --> 01:18:38,690
lieutenant governor we as a county have are definitely compiling our comments and input for the

1057
01:18:38,690 --> 01:18:45,050
lieutenant governor's office but if the public also would like to contact them and provide your input

1058
01:18:45,050 --> 01:18:51,390
this would be an appropriate time sooner rather than later is great before the 17th

1059
01:18:52,430 --> 01:18:57,450
Well, before the 17th to get to the enough time to process and consult their attorneys

1060
01:18:57,450 --> 01:19:05,750
and all of that, we had two main points that we are bringing up regarding willow specifically.

1061
01:19:05,930 --> 01:19:11,490
Sorry, I know this isn't legislative anymore, it's specific to the project that I just thought

1062
01:19:11,490 --> 01:19:19,310
while I close together. One of them is they are only bonded for $2.5 million, which seems

1063
01:19:19,310 --> 01:19:26,950
is laughably low that you could ensure that you could build a town and all of the incumbent

1064
01:19:26,950 --> 01:19:34,510
infrastructure for $2.5 million and currently, and this is one of the things we're working

1065
01:19:34,510 --> 01:19:40,830
on fixing, currently the statute doesn't clarify how much they have to charge or how much

1066
01:19:40,830 --> 01:19:45,290
they have to set aside to ensure that they'll be able to complete their project.

1067
01:19:46,370 --> 01:19:52,930
that's a big issue. Another big issue is that basically the developer gets to determine

1068
01:19:52,930 --> 01:19:57,470
how much money they're going to set aside for that project. And the third component

1069
01:19:57,470 --> 01:20:02,930
of this being a huge issue is that if the project should fail or be done improperly and

1070
01:20:02,930 --> 01:20:08,370
lose their preliminary status, then the general taxpayers have to pay to pick up that tab.

1071
01:20:08,370 --> 01:20:17,630
So, you can understand why we are urgently fighting this matter and continue to urgently fight this matter.

1072
01:20:18,210 --> 01:20:37,390
And then the other issue is that the legal description takes out that lake of land that made the property not fit the legal description of contiguity, which you need to have a blob of land not legs and arms.

1073
01:20:37,390 --> 01:20:52,370
in order to incorporate, and so they took it out of the legal description, but they didn't actually change anything on the actual map or of their actual ownership.

1074
01:20:52,830 --> 01:20:55,590
So that's something we're following up with Lieutenant Governor with.

1075
01:20:56,750 --> 01:20:59,210
Okay, thank you for listening to all of that there.

1076
01:20:59,950 --> 01:21:00,510
Thank you.

1077
01:21:01,630 --> 01:21:05,710
Okay, now we'll move on to their conditionary reports on assignments.

1078
01:21:05,990 --> 01:21:06,590
Do you want to start cutting?

1079
01:21:07,910 --> 01:21:08,210
Sure.

1080
01:21:09,010 --> 01:21:11,130
I guess our last meeting was on the 4th house.

1081
01:21:12,450 --> 01:21:14,010
We had a successful fair.

1082
01:21:14,570 --> 01:21:20,510
I don't know what time we got, but then I had a great, I don't know, the total dollar amount

1083
01:21:20,510 --> 01:21:27,570
that they got at the livestock sale, but the rodeo was fun, good turnout, everything went

1084
01:21:27,570 --> 01:21:27,850
well.

1085
01:21:27,850 --> 01:21:35,390
Well, this isn't really my assignment by default, somehow I ended up with the electric

1086
01:21:35,390 --> 01:21:35,970
charger.

1087
01:21:36,490 --> 01:21:41,410
We are taking ours offline, the ones that Honey are now online, and so we really don't

1088
01:21:41,410 --> 01:21:44,990
want to be on competition, plus we kind of lose money, and we don't want to be losing

1089
01:21:44,990 --> 01:21:45,850
taxpayer dollars.

1090
01:21:46,190 --> 01:21:52,530
So, beginning of September is the goal to have that done, and there'll be signs that they

1091
01:21:52,530 --> 01:21:54,310
They can have center-telling them where to go.

1092
01:21:55,210 --> 01:21:57,610
We get that all online, so people know that.

1093
01:21:57,770 --> 01:21:58,910
The chargers are down on it.

1094
01:21:59,210 --> 01:22:01,090
So there's seven Tesla chargers down there.

1095
01:22:01,330 --> 01:22:01,870
They're about to run it.

1096
01:22:02,990 --> 01:22:04,530
I'll leave, you can say how I leave it.

1097
01:22:05,090 --> 01:22:07,010
Yes, they were worried.

1098
01:22:07,170 --> 01:22:08,750
I was going to a lot of work for our building.

1099
01:22:08,910 --> 01:22:13,790
There's multiple reasons why we're going to mothball them.

1100
01:22:14,110 --> 01:22:15,850
But there's a lot of work for our buildings and grounds,

1101
01:22:16,090 --> 01:22:19,090
just to answer all the service calls that went on them.

1102
01:22:19,750 --> 01:22:21,590
And they're getting old, and then he repaired.

1103
01:22:21,590 --> 01:22:24,570
We haven't put any money into it.

1104
01:22:24,570 --> 01:22:27,890
And also, the road list rule, the comments are open for that.

1105
01:22:28,250 --> 01:22:31,070
That came out at, I think, the ATV club media was that.

1106
01:22:31,290 --> 01:22:33,610
So if anybody wants to comment on the road list rule,

1107
01:22:33,790 --> 01:22:35,730
the force, that was a time to do that.

1108
01:22:37,010 --> 01:22:37,930
OK, thank you.

1109
01:22:38,570 --> 01:22:42,290
Kai Algonets, Larry Crutchfield is resigning

1110
01:22:42,290 --> 01:22:45,190
from our planning and zoning, which I really sat about.

1111
01:22:45,590 --> 01:22:46,630
He did such a great job.

1112
01:22:46,630 --> 01:22:47,810
He was always so prepared.

1113
01:22:48,570 --> 01:22:50,190
But we are looking for a new member.

1114
01:22:50,190 --> 01:22:56,310
If you know anybody who wants to apply, should be online or talk to Shannon, she's handling

1115
01:22:56,310 --> 01:22:56,650
that.

1116
01:22:57,230 --> 01:22:57,990
So, we will.

1117
01:22:58,250 --> 01:23:03,950
I think it's going to be open until September 19th or 25th, I can't remember the day.

1118
01:23:04,550 --> 01:23:06,670
But yeah, we do need a new member on that.

1119
01:23:07,710 --> 01:23:13,650
And then we decided a new contract for the Predator Control Program.

1120
01:23:13,650 --> 01:23:22,030
So we will still be paid boundaries for our clients over the next year, and I think that's all I have.

1121
01:23:22,970 --> 01:23:23,690
Yeah, okay.

1122
01:23:23,870 --> 01:23:24,750
Is there a question about that?

1123
01:23:24,970 --> 01:23:25,070
Yeah.

1124
01:23:26,270 --> 01:23:30,690
For the qualifications to be on the county planning board, do you have to have own property?

1125
01:23:32,930 --> 01:23:33,850
You know, I'm not sure.

1126
01:23:33,970 --> 01:23:36,210
I would think so, but you might want to touch.

1127
01:23:36,430 --> 01:23:37,750
We'll ask Shannon about that.

1128
01:23:38,030 --> 01:23:38,290
All right.

1129
01:23:38,430 --> 01:23:38,910
Thank you.

1130
01:23:42,210 --> 01:23:49,770
Well, all I have left to be hammering on about Willow for so long is that we had a meeting

1131
01:23:49,770 --> 01:23:56,710
in Springdale last week with the park and the BLM and other stakeholders, including

1132
01:23:56,710 --> 01:24:05,710
the state, and I express to them how very down our tourism is here in Cape County, disproportionate

1133
01:24:05,710 --> 01:24:12,570
to the rest of the state as well as to the rest of the nation and it seems to be a correlation

1134
01:24:12,570 --> 01:24:20,130
with the closures on the east side to large vehicles including two of us which is a big deal

1135
01:24:20,130 --> 01:24:29,650
for us. We had record low June and record low July from what I'm hearing and the closures went

1136
01:24:29,650 --> 01:24:31,550
into effect very early in June.

1137
01:24:31,990 --> 01:24:35,730
So it looks obvious if we're talking to business owners

1138
01:24:35,730 --> 01:24:39,310
who say that they have had approximately 80%

1139
01:24:39,310 --> 01:24:41,130
cancellation rate of tour buses.

1140
01:24:41,910 --> 01:24:44,530
On highway trip meeting, I drove by Mount Carmel Junction.

1141
01:24:44,530 --> 01:24:47,250
There were zero tour buses at that subway there.

1142
01:24:47,710 --> 01:24:53,790
And I was visually reminded of how impactful these policies

1143
01:24:53,790 --> 01:24:54,270
are.

1144
01:24:55,050 --> 01:25:05,410
Just to let folks know, the new policy is implemented by the National Park Service and the DOI.

1145
01:25:06,430 --> 01:25:17,210
Before this happened, we fought really hard as a county to propose that the implementation is delayed,

1146
01:25:17,550 --> 01:25:22,750
at least until a shuttle could be put in place to take people from the East side

1147
01:25:22,750 --> 01:25:31,730
to the center of the park if they're not able to enter with their own vehicle and at this

1148
01:25:31,730 --> 01:25:38,250
meeting, well, to give you a little history, basically we got outvoted by Washington County

1149
01:25:38,250 --> 01:25:47,730
the Utah Office of Tourism and the state public lands policy coordinating office on that they

1150
01:25:47,730 --> 01:25:51,670
said, no, we have some other objectives that we kind of know more about, we're not going

1151
01:25:51,670 --> 01:26:00,690
to push or ask for this delay in closing the East side. So it happened and now we're

1152
01:26:00,690 --> 01:26:07,230
trying to deal with the fallout along with other factors. And so I expressed that in

1153
01:26:07,230 --> 01:26:11,810
Springville and then I also had a five county association of government meeting in

1154
01:26:11,810 --> 01:26:18,550
Cedar City where I again expressed the pain that we are feeling here on the East

1155
01:26:18,550 --> 01:26:24,310
side and just how impactful this is and just how urgent it is to find a solution.

1156
01:26:24,790 --> 01:26:29,910
Because tour buses, if there's any ambiguity or uncertainty, they will just not come

1157
01:26:29,910 --> 01:26:30,610
to our area.

1158
01:26:30,750 --> 01:26:38,310
They'll go to the Washington County side or see if it all together and Washington County

1159
01:26:38,310 --> 01:26:41,110
is down a little bit, but nothing compared to what we are.

1160
01:26:41,110 --> 01:26:49,250
And the numbers might not look that way so much because transient room tax was increased

1161
01:26:49,250 --> 01:26:50,650
by 1% last year.

1162
01:26:51,150 --> 01:26:58,110
So our transient room tax collections might not be that impacted, but the businesses,

1163
01:26:58,330 --> 01:27:05,710
especially the businesses that are not all on VIRY, are being highly impacted, which really

1164
01:27:05,710 --> 01:27:08,950
affects everybody, not just businesses.

1165
01:27:08,950 --> 01:27:21,270
So, point being we are working on a shovel work around and hopefully that will help us return in the meantime where we're having a very tough year.

1166
01:27:22,390 --> 01:27:35,830
We have decided and determined and set the date for sure that the Raising King Business Summit will be January 8th which is a Friday and we'll be discussing all of this plus many more topics that are of interest.

1167
01:27:36,470 --> 01:27:42,970
We had a legislative tour along with the 5th County area and the 6th County area.

1168
01:27:43,210 --> 01:27:48,470
So 11 rural counties in southern Utah got together to bring Washington, DC staffers

1169
01:27:48,470 --> 01:27:51,690
to our region and show them the issues that we're facing.

1170
01:27:51,910 --> 01:27:58,490
In fact, they came on toward us and got turned away that they did not realize about the closures,

1171
01:27:58,490 --> 01:28:01,290
even though we've been talking to them about it.

1172
01:28:01,290 --> 01:28:04,190
And so they had to make special arrangements to get

1173
01:28:04,190 --> 01:28:07,350
shoveled into the Zion National Park and missed some

1174
01:28:07,350 --> 01:28:08,990
of the attractions they were going to see.

1175
01:28:09,190 --> 01:28:13,470
So I hope that means I will get some help on those issues.

1176
01:28:13,690 --> 01:28:17,690
And then just to remind you all, construction is still being

1177
01:28:17,690 --> 01:28:21,030
completed on the Spoon-A-Paw Road as well as Mountain View

1178
01:28:21,030 --> 01:28:24,290
Road and Johnson Canyon.

1179
01:28:24,730 --> 01:28:27,050
Thank you all for your patience, especially as we've

1180
01:28:27,050 --> 01:28:30,870
had flooding and other events that create

1181
01:28:30,870 --> 01:28:38,050
hiccups. The good news is that means that we can, now that the School of Paul project

1182
01:28:38,050 --> 01:28:44,010
is being completed, that makes us eligible for potentially applying and getting more

1183
01:28:44,010 --> 01:28:50,870
joint highways committee money. And we do have a joint highways committee meeting coming

1184
01:28:50,870 --> 01:28:58,910
up in the next couple of months, so maybe we'll be asking for some funding for another

1185
01:28:58,910 --> 01:29:06,550
project since our need is so great in our county. That's all? Okay, thank you.

1186
01:29:06,670 --> 01:29:10,230
Anybody have anything else? Okay, I'll make a motion that will be a

1187
01:29:12,090 --> 01:29:14,010
Thank you all for coming.

1188
01:29:14,470 --> 01:29:16,850
Thank you all for coming.

1189
01:29:18,910 --> 01:29:18,970
Thank you.

1190
01:29:22,120 --> 01:29:22,700
Are you done?

1191
01:29:26,680 --> 01:29:27,860
Four of them are here.

1192
01:29:28,820 --> 01:29:30,040
Oh yeah.

1193
01:29:30,460 --> 01:29:32,760
We're going to discuss four of them.