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My name is Andrea Buo, I'm Chair of the Finance, Governance and Public Safety Committee.

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And I will call the May 19th, 2026 meeting to order.

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And I would ask that my colleagues introduce themselves.

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West Roger II, Chris Monroe, right up fourth district.

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And if additional colleagues from the council who are joining us, starting at my left.

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Found the duck in six districts.

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Let's be friends second district at large.

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Melissa Patterson has lead their district at large.

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And it's so fun to introduce themselves.

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How are rice city clerk's office?

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Can we clean finance?

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Oh, finance. Not finance.

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Assistant City Manager.

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Britain is a really finance.

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Travis, keep your case you want.

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Sam Miller assistant city attorney.

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Sarah backster, a lot of permit.

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Right. And we have a couple of items that we are going to hold.

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The first item is item number 2, or number 2, 6, 0, 4, 8, 0, that is the contract with the EDC.

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We will hold that one week that will actually be to the June 9th.

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June 9th meeting, then on under held in committee,

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item number

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260065, that is the Board

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of Police Commissioners, ordinance relating to the overage fund. We will hold that for a month.

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See, let's hope that told June 16th, as well as the Midtown Justice Campus and told June 16th.

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Do you all meet that week?

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I don't think you meet that week.

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We don't meet that week?

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No, it's June 16th.

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Okay, I believe.

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Well, let's then push it back to June 9th, I guess.

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Looking at the long calendar.

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All right, Howard, if you will read the first item.

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to 604-570, or proving an authorized

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settlement of a lawsuit entitled Can You Mitchell versus

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City of Kansas.

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He was very case number 251-6-CV-055-05992,

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and related claims in the amount of $400,000.

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All right, this is an item that you each should have received.

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In fact, the entire council received a number

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from the law department. If you have any questions through the intertainment or go into

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close session, but if they're none, I'll ask for a public testimony.

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Not that someone who's submitted for this one.

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Hearing none, I would entertain a motion. I would say on this, we would probably not put

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it on consent agenda, just because of the amount.

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I'm

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trying to move that ordinance number 20604-570 report out of committee with recommendation

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of the advancing do pass.

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Second.

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Second.

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Second of the ordinance number 20604570 report out of committee with the recommendation

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of advance and do pass.

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All those in favor, please say aye.

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Aye.

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Aye.

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Any opposed?

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Can the motion passes?

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Two, six, zero.

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Four, seven, four.

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We're proving an authorizing settlement of a lawsuit in the title Andrea George versus City

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I can't see Missouri at how, case number 2456-CV-06268 in the amount of $500,000.

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Right, this too, the Council received a memorandum from the law department.

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Are there any questions on this item?

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Is there any public testimony for an December 264-474?

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No public testimony submitted for the Swords.

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Right, I would entertain a motion on this item.

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I'm Chair, move to the ordinance number 2060474 be reported out of committee with recommendation of advancing new pass.

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Then, move to the second of the ordinance number 2060474 be reported out of committee with a recommendation of advance in due pass.

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All those in favor please say aye.

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Aye.

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Aye.

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Any opposed?

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The motion passes.

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How are we going to hold off just a minute to wait on the mayor's arrival?

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that when we come back, we're going to take up, we're going to take about a 10-minute break,

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but just for those in the audience reference, we're first going to take the ballot measures

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beginning with the help.

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Resolving trust fund ordinance, which is 2060484, then we will go to 2060483,

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then 485,

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1 and 482.

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Then after we have taken up those items, we will proceed with the three items related to

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MPD, which is held in committee,

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four, four, three.

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Then we will discuss, along with that,

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260, four, eight, six, which is the new items,

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and four, four, five, which is the vacation

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of the sidewalk right away.

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So we're going to jump around a little bit

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that we will proceed.

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I'm told you will be here on the first 1050, which is why we started but now around 11.

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So we will take a few minute break. I apologize for the delay, but he especially wanted to be here for the ballot measure.

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I'm so full tight and we will be back with you in a few minutes.

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1, 2, 6, 0, 44, calling an election on August 4, 26, for the purpose of authorizing the issuance of an

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amount, not to exceed $75 million in general obligation bonds to finance affordable housing projects

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through the housing trust fund, directing the city clerk to provide notice of the election, declaring

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the city's intention to reimburse itself from Prime Proceeds, 4 by related expenditures, directing

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the City Clerk to notify the responsible election authorities of the selection, recognizing

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this one is just having an accelerated effect of day and establishing an effect of day,

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football or authorizations.

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Madam Chair, if I just may, on the election ordinances, the issue that came to us that City Council

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or comes to us now is a request actually from water services to run valley questions relating

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to sue in water bonds, of course those haven't been called yet, because of both the cost of

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the municipal election and the campaign apparatus that is often built up. Consideration for

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us a committee is whether to run all potential municipal questions at the same time, and so that's

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where these questions arise from in November 2022. We had a similar arrangement where I believe

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we ran water bonds, but also ran bonds that were in part for conventions, parks, and then there

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housing trust fund bond as well, and so that's the spirit from which these come and I know nothing

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about the presentation here.

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So the ordinance does include two six zero four eight three as well as a combined presentation.

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Okay, so how would go ahead and read four eight three three four eight three.

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Committee sets two four and it's number two six zero four eight three.

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Calling in election August four twenty six what the purpose of authorizing the issuance of

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And I'm up not to exceed $100 million in the general obligation spot to...

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General obligations, bonds, to finance capital improvements of city convention facilities and other governmental buildings constructed before 1950, directing the city clerk to provide notice of the election and declaring the city's intention to reimburse itself from buy and proceeds for bond related expenditures, directing the city clerk to notify the responsible election authority of this election, recognizing this ordinances have made an accelerated effect of day in establishing an effect of day.

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So, good morning.

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Good morning.

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Good morning.

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Kimberly Carter from the Finance Department.

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I have a long-sign meeting with Director.

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Director from the House of the Department and Director Gilmore from the Convention's Department.

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So, the ordinances before you two 604-83 and 484 is pertaining to the new GO ballot measure.

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Both ordinances together are proposed of $250 million in general obligation bonds.

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So, 35 million dollars for convention and entertainment facilities for the purpose of paying for the

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acquisition construction of renovation improvement equipment and furnishing of city

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convention and entertainment facilities, which includes parking structures as well.

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75 million dollars for affordable housing, and that's going to include rehabilitation

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renovation and construction of houses and buildings to include black removal as well as

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provide affordable housing for low to moderate income households.

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A key point is that the proposed geobion program is structured as a no-sex increase in

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It's similar to our Geo 2022 authorization.

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So the issuance itself is intentionally phased over multiple years,

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and this will allow our lettuce remains stable.

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So depicted on the slide, we would anticipate a two year issuance

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for the convention facilities with a equal, equal

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tranches of $37.5 million.

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And then we'll continue on our affordable housing pattern

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as a five year period with 15 million dollars issued

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So whether or not the ballot is approved or or not the authority there is no impact to the general fund under this proposal.

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So if it's approved the additional debt series is fully offset by property tax capacity and that would otherwise decline as existing debt would roll off.

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In for instance, the measure is not approved, there is still no impact on the general fund.

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The city was simply see the property tax decrease over time as debt is retired.

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The next use lies in it was straight.

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The projected debt lived under the different scenarios.

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So this particular one you'll see that the absent is absent of the new authorization

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and the levied declines over time as we pay off the existing debt.

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On slide six we're going to add in the proposed authorization today.

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today. And essentially, it layers in the new debt is old debt rolls off, and which keeps

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the overall living relatively stable.

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Now, slide seven includes our 2017 authorization. So, this is all of our geobondent

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that's going to affect our living. And so, basically, this is a capacity replacement type

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of strategy. So, what allows the city to continue making strategic capital investments

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without increasing their taxes and without creating pressure on our general fund.

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So, I'll pause here if you have any questions, if not, I'll move on to conventions and

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housing as they can present their projects.

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The morning chair and Mr. Mayor and members of the committee.

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Thank you for the opportunity.

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Can you pull this a little closer?

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Yes, ma'am.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Thank you for the opportunity to speak about ordinance number 260483 and the proposed investment

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in Kansas City's convention and entertainment facilities.

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Well, the presentation outlined our project's categories.

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I think it is equally as important to talk about what these investments represent and what has

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already been accomplished.

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Over the past several years, convention and entertainment facilities in the business and

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process of more than $45 million in capital improvements, including ADA upgrades, escalator

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replacements, lighting improvements, seating upgrades, and critical infrastructure work throughout

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the convention complex and municipal auditorium.

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Those investments are producing results, Kansas City continues to attract major conventions,

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sporting events, and entertainment activity that generate significant economic impact for

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community. This proposal allows us to continue protecting and modernizing these public assets

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without increasing taxes by aligning new investment with role-off exist of existing debt.

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These are not cosmetic projects. They are core infrastructure investments that directly impact

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our ability to operate.

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Mayfully, efficiently and competitively. At the same time, we are planning for the future. The city is partnering

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with populists on a long-term modernization plan for Bottle Hall and, excuse me, municipal auditorium,

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to ensure today's investments align with the next generation of convention entertainment and tourism activity in Kansas City.

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That work is especially important as we prepare for FIFA World Cup 2026 and continue building on the momentum created by

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transformational projects like the new Airport Terminal,

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Low-Shotel, and the Convention Center campus.

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Simply put, these proposals are about stewardship,

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maintaining and modernizing public assets,

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and support jobs, tourism, economic development,

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and civic pride in a physically responsible way.

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Thank you, and after blame finishes,

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I'll be happy to answer any questions.

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Good morning, blame proctor director of housing and community development.

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I'm here to talk about the housing trust fund.

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The housing trust fund is probably one of the most flexible funding sources that we have in the housing department.

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Because of the various projects that it supports,

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neighborhood affordability,

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displacement,

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new and rehabilitated affordable housing,

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addressing blight, excuse me, through vacant property renovation and it is also the largest funding tool that we have.

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We prefer that the housing trust fund is used for gap financing as opposed to projects and developers coming in to the housing trust fund as a first ask for their projects.

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I think it's important to note that there is currently a 64,000 unit shortage in affordable housing in Kansas City, and that is really made up of very low income and extremely low income households that doesn't include workforce housing.

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We are guided by a very strong stakeholder and community base.

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We have an advisory board of housing development experts and community members.

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When the trust fund is fully seated, when it's board is fully seated, we have nine members.

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The trust fund was established to address Kansas City's growing affordable housing crisis.

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It supports the development preservation of housing at or below 60% AMI.

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In November 2022, voters approved a $15 million geobond creating the city's largest affordable housing investment funding source.

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And this slide shows what we have accomplished in the funding rounds that we've had up until this date.

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There's been $60 million awarded $263,363,316 total units, 2,635 of which are affordable.

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365 of those units have been completed at this point in time.

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There's an image there of the parade park groundbreaking, which is to date the largest housing trust fund investment that's been made.

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This is just a list of some of the completed projects that we've seen so far.

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Forecasting the impact of a $75 million bond, we anticipate that this would support an estimated

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3,571 affordable housing units over the next five years.

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The funding rounds would increase from the $12.5 million that we've had up until now to

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15 million dollars, permitting deeper subsidy levels and more affordable housing projects per year.

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And we will be able to take any questions.

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All right.

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I did have a point out that I believe on ordinance number 2060483 with respect to the conventions.

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The committee steps to add additional language, well, increased the amount from 75 million to 100 million.

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and add additional language to allow for...

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Yeah, I can speak to that.

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Okay, go ahead and share.

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The committee staffs too have been circulated to committee would add a $25 million amount to the corpus using

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available amount of funding and add the following, which is,

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and other governmental buildings constructed before 1950.

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The idea there being that city hall, and I'd like to ask the Assistant City Manager to speak.

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I regret there's not a presentation on it, but I believe there's been estimated $90 million in maintenance

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and other challenges at city hall itself that continually goes unfunded and so what

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but to learn a little bit about how we can address that.

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Yes, thank you, Mr. Mayor. Yeah, the additional projects that we are contemplating and we have a lot more

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means then this 25 million would support, but they include phase two of the HVAC project that

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has taken us out of this chamber at times, but that would take care of the lower floors.

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I think one through 15, there is water piping infrastructure in the amount of about $10 million

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additional fire alarm and intercom replacement so that we've got all the life safety things

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ensure that we are meeting those.

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Windows is a big problem in the building, so exterior window replacement, and then also

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waterproofing and sealing the envelopes.

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It's about a total of $51 million in projects that exist right now that have been identified

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that could be used.

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This money could be used for.

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Are there any questions from the committee?

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on ordinance number, committee substitute board, ordinance number 260483, or

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ordinance number 260484.

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I can't say I ran.

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Thank you, mentor.

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ACM Queen, I want to talk about the question I had for you in regards to the Housing

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Trust Fund, GEO bond dollars, and the idea that in our search for some sustainable,

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municipal funding source for our homeless programming would this be the avenue to do so, I think your answer was compelling but I would just ask that you share your response to my question.

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So the housing trust fund works as a taxable bond issue and it's because we are creating units of housing that tangible assets that we can point to.

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The housing gateway program doesn't really provide that it provides a lot of services.

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It might provide housing in the form of a homeless shelter or something like that.

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But it's not as clear to us that it would qualify for what we like to use bond financing

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for, which is long-lived assets that hopefully go on our balance shape.

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They don't always have to, but it's really just not a good use of this authority that the city

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has in terms of bonding, which would not recommend that.

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I think it's important. I think it's important. I think it's important as we look for what that source could be that we talk about those that would be a good avenue and those that would not.

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And originally I thought this might be one that we could discuss, but I think your answer is compelling.

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Right. Councillor Duncan.

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Thank you, Mayor.

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For the committee substitute for the housing trust fund, it's just for an increase of the 25 million of the corporates right.

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There is no change other than the date, and then the conventions, et cetera, we've got

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a lot of media substitutes to increase from 75 to 100 million.

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75 to 100 million on the inventions and buildings.

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75 million stays on the housing, and then the other changes, the date of the election.

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It's him queen, do we have the bond leveraged increase?

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The housing trust fund from 75 to 100 million.

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There is a total in the treasurer or the finance director can correct me from wrong, but there's a total capacity for a no tax bond issuance of total of 200 million.

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Let's do it.

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Yeah.

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That's one hundred and eighty.

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That's why.

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Right now, the total is 175 between these committee subs.

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Well, I'll kind of learn something new that it's a 100 or 200 rather than 180.

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I've got to go in with the, we put 75 million in last time, so it's can do 75 million again.

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18 million last time, right?

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Yeah, but it was 25 million of our, we have cemented another place, so we capitalized it first of 75 million.

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I know we have a 65,000 units deficit of portable housing, why wouldn't we go for Gustav Mr. Mayor?

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I mean, I guess the proof point that I would ask for is with the extra funding, you've already probably laid out the number of units that you would look to add to that, but does the program become more compelling?

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Do I have a slight concerns sometimes the policy matter of just putting more money in something if I don't know if the performance will be that much better?

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But maybe it will be, you'll probably say it is, they'll tell us more.

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Sure, I mean we could absolutely create more units with additional funds.

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I think the question might be, if you can spend the...

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Full 20 million in a year. So that would basically take it to 20 million dollars per year, four or five years, and can that actually be distributed and spent.

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And because we always want to make sure that we're borrowing that we're actually spending the money in a timely manner.

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We have applications, has interest fund applications to come in in each round that are either not fully funded or don't get funded.

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because of a lack of funds.

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And I feel like that's been part of the story every round of funding is that it's competitive.

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There's limited funds.

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I can think of the last couple rounds.

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There's been several projects that I think would be a great candidate.

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But because of the lack of funding, we weren't, we weren't able to provide support.

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So I think the question as to whether or not we would have enough demand to spend the money is clear.

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I think the question is, can we turn that through staff, through staffing, and if I wait

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more projects to make sure we're moving the red direction, right?

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We would need additional staff.

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You need additional staff.

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I just wanted to make another point that we would be able to be a little bit more dynamic

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with housing trust fund.

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We've right now we provide about $16,000 per affordable unit and with a deeper investment

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And the housing trust fund we would be able to more deeply subsidize some of the projects that are harder to develop.

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So I think that it would allow us to have a little bit more flexibility with the projects that we fund that may not be able to, to pencil out otherwise.

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One final question, and I do support the request and what hope we could put it in the

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committee's sub.

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The only question I have is that I don't think this would be the case, but it wouldn't

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change how we can present this to voters and place it on the ballot.

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I think if we are expanding the bond capacity, we can still call it a renewal of tax rather

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than a new tax.

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Is that correct?

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Well, yeah, I think what you're getting at is, can we call it a no tax increase bond issue

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Yes, because we've given you that's the maximum capacity.

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If you said we want to do 225 or 201, we would say no, we'd have to increase taxes to do that for that extra million dollars.

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So, yes.

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If you're answering your question.

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And I want to go back to what you said about the five years and the spending the $20 million each year.

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to the extent that there is money left over, what is our ability to roll it over to the next year or subsequent year.

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It's absolutely possible to do that. We want it to be deployed. It doesn't have to all be deployed in the year one.

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These are taxable bonds, which have a little bit more flexibility than a tax exempt issuance where the IRS will come knocking on the door if we don't spend within a certain amount of time.

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So I think there's there's flexibility there. My concern was really about what Councilman

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Raya got to, which was deployment of the money. Can it actually, I know there's need, but can it actually be deployed in the time a lot?

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And I think I would also ask we have talked about the possibility of looking at the criteria for the housing trust fund and should that be expanded to some extent.

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and would this allow us the possibility to look at different criteria in funding certain projects.

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And I'm assuming the answer would be as, but to the extent that that would give us a little

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bit more leeway to do that, I think I would support it as well.

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I know Councilman Patterson has a comment, but I think the House of Tristan is controlled entirely

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by us.

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So if we could pass and we can draft a new ordinance, frankly, to the detriment of I think those of us who served before, when we didn't have any state guards on and then we just started spending on all these projects real quickly.

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That's my one concern, Councilman, talking to your point sometimes.

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Not that I necessarily, we all get the need.

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I, something Ms. Owen said, to kind of concerns me, the deeper subsidy, but I don't know

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if I love the spirit of that.

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I mean, the whole way, this was supposed to work at the beginning, and we'll leave out

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our private sector partners.

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The philanthropy was going to raise a whole bunch of money.

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It was going to max with our program.

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We were going to have a public private partnership that creates these opportunities, and

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it's fine to have a tax payer's play pretty heavily in this, but we're still trying to get

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a lot of volume, and then you made a few times

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Councilman Patterson Hazley, not just get

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a density of affordable housing, one part of our city,

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basically we're...

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We're not trying to go back to the housing projects model. I don't think. And I didn't want to create a program that

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have us create a program that does that. And so I mean, I guess that could be fixed by ordinance, but I

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would want to make sure that we don't find ourselves in that place if we perceive ourselves as flush with cash.

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I think this is worth saying out loud because this is going to be something we're putting before voters and they're going to know that we have the right processes in place and all that I have been very very impressed with the staff and Evan Cheerlean the work that they do with the valuing these projects.

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I mean, even projects that have supported as a council member, and they go there objectively.

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They look at the criteria very, very thoughtful and how they do it.

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It makes the recommendation, I think, very reliable, even if I want to see a project advance

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that doesn't.

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And so I think the way that they've handled the funding so far, and maybe more recently in

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the last two years, gives me a lot of confidence that if we're putting more money into this,

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It's going to continue to be used that way.

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Now, what council members do when the ordinance comes before us, that's us.

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That's what the Patterson has.

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Thank you.

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Madam Chair, I'm not miss.

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I think that the Housing Trust Fund

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extends to be increased $400,000.

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I don't know if it's necessarily smart to do both of them

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because we'll approach the maximum

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getting to the 200, where we're in territory, where we may need to increase taxes.

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But also, I did request some housing trust fund data about a week ago, and there are

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3,568 total units, and 1,499 units are only in the third district, and so I think

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there's some work to do in terms of making certain that affordable housing has available across the city.

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I think that will require some additional analysis and thoughtfulness and so it's, you know,

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one thing to make more dollars available, but if we're not being careful about how we distribute the units,

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and perhaps the city just perceives that they're supposed to do affordable housing projects

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in my district and so they do and so the concern of deeply subsidizing more housing

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is a real concern that I hope you guys will be empathetic toward. We need to start

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moving toward 80% AMIs as we've done so much of the 60 and 30 in the third district

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I would just caution actually the increase because we haven't come up with a plan to diversify housing,

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and it's having a really immediate impact on the third district and our ability to improve the economy.

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Councillor Pate.

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Councillor Pate.

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Councillor Pate.

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Councillor Pate.

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Councillor Pate.

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Councillor Pate.

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Councillor Pate.

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You know, I will speak for Councilwoman Boo, we absolutely want more affordable housing in the sixth district.

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We need it.

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If you work in the sixth district serving coffee or in some type of service position,

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it's likely that you don't, or you can't live in the sixth district.

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Even if you work in the sixth district, you can't live in the plaza if you work in the plaza.

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And that's an issue.

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So, absolutely, I think what we're talking about is what is our policy vision versus how much money do we have at our disposal to implement that?

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I would say let's move forward with increasing the amount to better implement it.

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And I would be happy to sponsor an ordinance with you to ensure that we're directing more strategically what we're putting those affordable units.

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It's been very well stated by both of my colleagues, and I've brought the attention to this body as well, and just the diversity of the affordable housing throughout the city.

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And I've requested that to be looked at in my district as well.

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So I very much am not going to belabor the points.

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would support the increase in the bondage to it as well and then having a larger robust

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conversation about what that looks like and how we can expand the availability of

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horrible housing throughout the city.

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Mayor, did you?

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Yeah, I'll just say this and happy to make motions on both other, I guess.

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We'll need public comment to, I mean, part of how we got to this monetary amount because I thought we had

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180 million available, but we have 200. And that's, there's no financial issue with going up to the level.

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All right. So that part's good. On housing question for the day that we actually get to the housing conversation, there will be a, there's a policy discussion.

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I will also say, and I have seen some of you do this the last time, so we had a long discussion

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when we were last trying to put affordable housing in the Northland and one of our projects,

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and there's going to be a lot of like how do we make sure that we engage the developers and others to be part of that, too,

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because right now our current system, which is largely developed or driven, and they submit applications to us,

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and also say this in fairness to the housing department, they get the applications they get, all of those,

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a lot of them are in certain places and so I think it'll be worked for us to suggest to

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sound that this is a good math to go. That's all I would have on this, and then I

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can make committee self-student motions when we're ready.

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Okay, let's cover public testimony on let's do both the 260483 and 484. So if you would like

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on 483, or 484, that's the Housing Trust Fund,

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ordinance for the ballot, or the convention, and buildings.

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Please come forward.

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May I test my out?

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No one appears by the time.

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There's no red and testimony submitted.

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Mayor?

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I'll do them separately.

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Madam Chair, I move the committee steps to forward

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at number 264483.

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That's the $100 million amounted as buildings constructed before 1950.

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We report to the full Council of the Recommendation of Advancing Do Pass.

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It's been moved in second to the committee's substitute for an December 264 report.

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We report it out of the committee with the recommendation of Advancing Do Pass.

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All those in favour please say aye.

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Any opposed?

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In the motion passes.

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Madam Chair, I move the committee's substitute for the number 20404A4 with an additional

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increase from $75 million to $100 million.

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We report to the full Council of the Recommendation of Advancing Do Pass.

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It's been moved in second half in a committee substitute for an December 20404, increasing to 100 million.

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I've been reported out the committee with the recommendation of the Banson DuPath, so I'll

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have us in favor please say aye. Aye. Aye. KneePaths, the motion passes.

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How much will we go to the CCED-45?

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2044 is number 206045, calling an election on August 4th, 2026 for the purpose of renewing a

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One eighth-central city economic development sales tax, 14 years, and I think the sales

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tax contention upon a voter approval, directing the city clerk to provide notice of the

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election, directing the city clerk to provide notice to the director of revenue if the sales

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tax question is passed by voters, and recognizing this recognizing and accelerated effective

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day.

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Good morning.

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of honorable mayor Lucas, Cherbu, and members of the Finance Covenants and Public Safety Committee.

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My name is William Choy, Deputy Director of Finance, and today I will be presenting

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on ordnance number 260485, calling for Central City Economic Development Sales Tax

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Renewal.

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So, I want to start off by providing a brief history of the CCT Sales Tax, as originally submitted

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to voters via ordnance number 160861 for a 1-8-cent sales tax.

444
00:43:27,960 --> 00:43:32,900
purposes of that sales tax, we're going to help with economic development in the area

445
00:43:32,900 --> 00:43:38,220
that moved by ninth-street on the north, Gregory Boulevard in the south, a sail Boulevard

446
00:43:38,220 --> 00:43:43,020
on the west, in Indiana Avenue on the east, and these economic development projects will be

447
00:43:43,020 --> 00:43:51,100
recommended by the CCED board. On April 4, 2017, voters approved the initial 10 year CCED sales tax

448
00:43:51,100 --> 00:43:57,700
with an approval rating of approximately 60%. And that CCED sales tax is set to expire on September

449
00:43:57,700 --> 00:44:03,140
30th, 2027. So it's the dire to submit to voters a renewal of the CCD

450
00:44:03,140 --> 00:44:10,180
sales tax for a new 10 year period. So finance isn't normally a, isn't normally

451
00:44:10,180 --> 00:44:15,160
known for their maps, but we want to provide a map of the CCD area. So as outlined

452
00:44:15,160 --> 00:44:19,720
earlier, ninth street in the north, fragility bulb on the south, the sale bulb

453
00:44:19,720 --> 00:44:24,420
on the west, and Indiana Avenue on the east. So it's true right here, kind of in this

454
00:44:24,420 --> 00:44:30,080
pink outline grid line pattern. This is that CCED area map.

455
00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:34,280
So the ballot language is proposed. Is outline here?

456
00:44:34,320 --> 00:44:35,760
I'll show the city of Kansas in Missouri,

457
00:44:36,660 --> 00:44:38,600
be authorized to renew a self-sex authorized,

458
00:44:39,180 --> 00:44:43,420
but in Missouri statute, for a period of 10 years at a rate of 1.8 cent,

459
00:44:43,560 --> 00:44:45,400
as outlined by the bounded area.

460
00:44:45,860 --> 00:44:49,160
And of course, this is set to expire September 30, 2027.

461
00:44:50,460 --> 00:44:53,140
We also won't provide just kind of brief revenue history

462
00:44:53,140 --> 00:44:58,560
the CCD sales tax. Over the past couple of years it's generated approximately 13 million

463
00:44:58,560 --> 00:44:59,960
to about 13.5 million.

464
00:45:00,820 --> 00:45:12,940
Over the course of the CCD thus far, it's generated approximately $99 million, and there is still some to be collected here at fiscal year 27, just because it expires in September of this year.

465
00:45:13,260 --> 00:45:14,220
All right, September, play some.

466
00:45:16,000 --> 00:45:18,600
And with a while answering questions, you may have.

467
00:45:19,120 --> 00:45:20,320
Are there any questions from the committee?

468
00:45:22,990 --> 00:45:28,030
Here, I may just say briefly, even though there may be support, just for a little bit of background, because I don't sleep.

469
00:45:28,030 --> 00:45:33,910
And so it was looking at outcomes from before this came to us in 2017, there was a package

470
00:45:33,910 --> 00:45:36,850
and actually we have Johnny Wickham here, who probably remembers it all well, there was

471
00:45:36,850 --> 00:45:42,030
a package of five questions on that ballot, three geo-von questions, this Central City

472
00:45:42,030 --> 00:45:46,550
economic development sales tax, any marijuana decriminalization question on the ballot.

473
00:45:46,630 --> 00:45:52,110
So it's not unheard of that we've had a large number of items as we would have this time.

474
00:45:52,110 --> 00:46:06,230
that CCD, first time passed 52 percent, yes, in the public, our hope, certainly would be with the staff, some of whom just left the room, who been in the housing space and others that they could share with us some of the effectiveness that we've had on this program over the last decade.

475
00:46:07,090 --> 00:46:08,810
So we'll have a good mission to share.

476
00:46:09,190 --> 00:46:11,270
August ballot for the same reason we are articulated before.

477
00:46:12,370 --> 00:46:12,530
All right.

478
00:46:13,170 --> 00:46:15,910
Are there any other questions from the committee?

479
00:46:15,910 --> 00:46:16,070
You've heard that slide from the beginning.

480
00:46:16,590 --> 00:46:21,350
Sergeant Public testimony boards is number 204045.

481
00:46:22,530 --> 00:46:23,270
No, I'm serious, but.

482
00:46:23,490 --> 00:46:23,650
No it doesn't.

483
00:46:23,650 --> 00:46:25,350
There's not read testimony submitted for this one.

484
00:46:25,810 --> 00:46:26,810
The committee is up again.

485
00:46:27,050 --> 00:46:29,050
Just changes this to the August state.

486
00:46:29,410 --> 00:46:30,270
Would it entertain a motion?

487
00:46:30,350 --> 00:46:32,870
Madam Chair, I'm sure there's number 204045.

488
00:46:33,050 --> 00:46:34,570
We reported the full council with a recommendation.

489
00:46:36,110 --> 00:46:37,030
It's been been identified.

490
00:46:37,430 --> 00:46:39,710
The committee's sub-40s is Number 2045.

491
00:46:40,110 --> 00:46:41,490
We reported the committee with a recommendation

492
00:46:41,490 --> 00:46:42,010
of that.

493
00:46:42,010 --> 00:46:44,090
It was in favor, please say aye.

494
00:46:44,130 --> 00:46:44,510
Aye.

495
00:46:44,910 --> 00:46:45,470
Any opposed?

496
00:46:45,590 --> 00:46:46,210
The motion passes.

497
00:46:46,490 --> 00:46:47,130
We'll hear it on Thursday.

498
00:46:47,990 --> 00:46:48,870
Two, six, zero.

499
00:46:48,870 --> 00:46:49,910
Four, eight, one.

500
00:46:50,170 --> 00:46:53,490
Providing for submission to the qualified voters of the city.

501
00:46:54,030 --> 00:46:57,150
For their approval, add an election card on August 4th.

502
00:46:57,190 --> 00:46:57,910
Twenty, twenty, six.

503
00:46:58,150 --> 00:47:01,630
The question of authorizing the issuance of sanitary sewer.

504
00:47:01,950 --> 00:47:08,150
We have a new bond of the city and a pressable amount of $750 million for the purpose of

505
00:47:08,150 --> 00:47:13,850
rehabilitating and improving and extending the sanitary sources to the Kansas City, including

506
00:47:15,250 --> 00:47:21,570
requiring necessary land and rights of way in order to provide for its continuing operation

507
00:47:21,570 --> 00:47:26,950
and to maintain compliance with federal state and judicial requirements, directing the city

508
00:47:26,950 --> 00:47:32,590
clerk to notify the responsible election authorities of the selection declaring the

509
00:47:32,590 --> 00:47:42,850
attention to set race, attention to set, increase the clearing of the city's attention to

510
00:47:42,850 --> 00:47:48,830
reimbursement itself from revenue bond proceeds for bond-related expenditures, expenditures,

511
00:47:49,190 --> 00:47:53,290
recognizing this ordinance is having an accelerated effectors date, and establishing

512
00:47:53,290 --> 00:47:56,730
the effector date for voter authorization.

513
00:47:56,730 --> 00:48:03,190
I was going to ask Howard to go ahead and read the hard ordinances as well and you know that was a lot that

514
00:48:04,730 --> 00:48:12,570
26042 providing for submission to the qualified waters of the city of Kansas City of the city for their approval

515
00:48:12,570 --> 00:48:20,750
at an election called on August 4th, 2026 the question of authorizing the issuance of waterworks revenue bonds of the city

516
00:48:20,750 --> 00:48:41,410
In the principle amount of $750 million for the purpose of rehabilitating and improving and extending the water work system of the city, including acquiring necessary land and rights of way in order to provide for the continuing operation and to maintain compliance with federal state and judicial requirements.

517
00:48:41,410 --> 00:48:46,650
directing the city clerk to notify the responsible election authorities of the election, declaring

518
00:48:46,650 --> 00:48:52,150
the city's intention to severates, declaring the city's intention to reimburse itself from

519
00:48:52,150 --> 00:48:57,150
revenue bond proceeds for bond-related expenditures, recognizing this ordinance is having

520
00:48:57,150 --> 00:49:01,970
an accelerated effect today and establishing an effect today for water authorization.

521
00:49:02,630 --> 00:49:06,670
And I'm going to jump in because I'm guessing this is what the mayor is going to say.

522
00:49:06,670 --> 00:49:19,710
I think we've heard part of this, the water part of it because we had discussed this, if you would give kind of a brief highlight of this, I think now you're here not only for a water bond, but a sewer bond.

523
00:49:20,390 --> 00:49:25,350
So if you can give the highlights on the water and the highlights on the sewer and and we'll take that up.

524
00:49:25,470 --> 00:49:27,770
That's right. I can read his mind.

525
00:49:27,770 --> 00:49:30,190
So everybody, wait, yeah.

526
00:49:30,190 --> 00:49:31,510
All right, thank you.

527
00:49:31,750 --> 00:49:32,090
Good morning.

528
00:49:32,090 --> 00:49:34,230
Phil, could have all water services with me today.

529
00:49:34,370 --> 00:49:35,890
It's you, what, and also water services?

530
00:49:38,250 --> 00:49:40,890
So before I get started, though, and tell us who you are.

531
00:49:41,210 --> 00:49:41,550
Yeah, I'm sorry.

532
00:49:41,630 --> 00:49:44,450
She wouldn't, financial analyst, KC Water,

533
00:49:44,550 --> 00:49:46,010
come back to the first slide, please.

534
00:49:46,950 --> 00:49:50,490
Before I get started, the last time water bond authorization

535
00:49:50,490 --> 00:49:51,350
was on the ballot.

536
00:49:51,350 --> 00:49:55,390
It was April 2014, and it was the only item on the ballot.

537
00:49:55,390 --> 00:49:59,950
and the last time sewer revenue bond authorization was on the ballot was April 20.

538
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:11,520
22, and it was the only item on the ballot at that time as well. So we've never done this before, at least in recent history, with other items on the ballot. So keep that in mind as you're listening to this.

539
00:50:12,440 --> 00:50:26,940
Okay, so these two ordinances are requesting to put 750 million of water revenue bond authorization on the ballot and 750 million of sewer revenue authorization on the ballot. The deadline to be on the ballot is Tuesday May 26, the day after Memorial Day.

540
00:50:26,940 --> 00:50:43,780
The benefits of revenue bond authorization for the utilities, basically, last time we were here we were going through the reasons why the utilities need to have revenue bond authorization as a financing tool.

541
00:50:44,040 --> 00:50:51,320
We're back here today to go through this again and ask for your approval to advance these ordinances for a full vote on Thursday and to refresh everyone.

542
00:50:51,320 --> 00:50:55,680
Now, let me start by saying that we are requesting in these ballot initiatives are to continue

543
00:50:55,680 --> 00:50:58,820
to use these as a financing tool we have to use for decades.

544
00:50:59,020 --> 00:51:02,240
So this is the beginning of the capital planning process, essentially, for us.

545
00:51:02,360 --> 00:51:07,580
Revenue bond financing is a way to keep water and sewer rates manageable rather than use

546
00:51:07,580 --> 00:51:11,120
cash to finance capital projects by using revenue bonds.

547
00:51:11,120 --> 00:51:13,780
We can spread capital costs out over many years.

548
00:51:14,500 --> 00:51:20,140
However, in order to use this financing tool authorization to do so requires approval from the voters.

549
00:51:20,140 --> 00:51:24,780
If approved, there are several benefits that will be realized from issuing revenue bond authorization.

550
00:51:25,880 --> 00:51:31,800
Most importantly, it will enable us to utilize the states revolving clean water fund and the states revolving drinking water fund.

551
00:51:31,920 --> 00:51:39,320
These long programs allow the utilities to take advantage of significantly subsidized loan rates from Missouri DNR for large scale projects.

552
00:51:39,780 --> 00:51:44,640
This is especially important in an environment of rising interest rates that we are currently in.

553
00:51:44,640 --> 00:51:55,640
Bond authorization approval by voters also signifies to our bondholders that we can continue to meet our obligations as a utility, as well as access to lowest cost of capital possible in the debt markets.

554
00:51:57,760 --> 00:52:04,160
So what happens if we don't put water into a revenue bond authorization on the ballot or if we do, put it on the ballot and it doesn't pass.

555
00:52:05,140 --> 00:52:14,480
When existing authorization runs out, we would be forced into a situation where we would have to seek out capital at a higher cost in order to complete future capital projects for the utilities.

556
00:52:14,640 --> 00:52:23,680
We would have to use appropriation debt most likely and more cash financing, resulting in higher interest costs to the utilities, but also higher rate increases to our rate payers.

557
00:52:24,420 --> 00:52:36,460
We would not be able to utilize the SRF financing through the state, the lowest cost of financing available for water and sewer utilities in Missouri, since this program requires utilities to have voter approved bond authorization.

558
00:52:37,120 --> 00:52:41,600
We would see decreases in our debt service coverage ratio, which could result in a downgrade

559
00:52:41,600 --> 00:52:45,460
of our existing debt, and potentially an increase in our overall debt service and interest

560
00:52:45,460 --> 00:52:45,960
costs.

561
00:52:46,400 --> 00:52:50,480
The bottom line is not having revenue bond authorization for the utilities with some

562
00:52:50,480 --> 00:52:54,360
a negative message to the municipal debt markets and our bond holders that the utilities

563
00:52:54,360 --> 00:52:58,940
are not managing their balance sheet in a fiscal irresponsible manner by not pursuing the

564
00:52:58,940 --> 00:53:01,340
tools that give us the lowest cost form of debt financing.

565
00:53:03,470 --> 00:53:07,850
The good news is we've always had high voter approval for revenue bond authorization for the

566
00:53:08,430 --> 00:53:13,230
For the water utility, the last time we asked for revenue bond authorization was April 2014.

567
00:53:14,030 --> 00:53:17,850
We requested 500 million and it passed for 79% voter approval.

568
00:53:18,470 --> 00:53:20,610
We've issued six bonds against that authorization.

569
00:53:21,050 --> 00:53:25,770
The last one being almost two years ago in March of 2025 for roughly 145 million.

570
00:53:26,450 --> 00:53:29,330
And we currently only have 15 million remaining authorization.

571
00:53:29,810 --> 00:53:33,270
And that is why we need to get water revenue bond authorization on the ballot very soon.

572
00:53:33,790 --> 00:53:37,830
On the wastewater side, we asked voters for 750 million in April of 25 million.

573
00:53:37,830 --> 00:53:47,770
And it also passed for 79% approval, with issue two revenue bonds against that authorization and currently have 554 million left and sewer bond authorization.

574
00:53:48,610 --> 00:53:53,970
However, we have plans in the works right now to pursue three SRF loans through DNR for large scale projects.

575
00:53:54,190 --> 00:53:56,890
We'll quickly eat up most of that remaining authorization.

576
00:53:58,910 --> 00:54:03,670
To give you an understanding of why we're asking for 750 million water revenue bond authorization,

577
00:54:03,670 --> 00:54:10,490
Our current capital plan projection show over a billion in water utility capital projects over the next five years.

578
00:54:11,050 --> 00:54:19,730
Revenue bond authorization is the finance and tool that enables management to maintain appropriate leverage on the balance sheet of each utility with level rate increases over time.

579
00:54:20,350 --> 00:54:24,410
Just to be clear, 750 million in authorization will not be issued all at once.

580
00:54:24,750 --> 00:54:29,790
It will be issued over several years, over bonds like I showed on the previous slide.

581
00:54:29,790 --> 00:54:36,970
As we always do, each bond issuance will come to Council for approval, along with the projects that bond proceeds we spend on.

582
00:54:37,270 --> 00:54:44,170
Furthermore, each project within each bond issuance will come to Council for a review and approval just like the current process allows for.

583
00:54:44,430 --> 00:54:48,830
Voter approved authorization is just the first step in the capital planning process.

584
00:54:49,990 --> 00:54:53,370
This slide gives you a quick view of the next five years of CIP for the sewer utility.

585
00:54:53,650 --> 00:54:56,130
It's obviously a lot more because we're under a consent decree.

586
00:54:56,130 --> 00:54:59,890
Our capital plan projections for the sewer utility show approximately 1.

587
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:06,500
7 billion in projects over the next five years, mainly driven by OCP, the consent decree, the Kansas City, as well,

588
00:55:06,640 --> 00:55:11,200
and several other cities across the country are under. In an effort to be most efficient for our rate

589
00:55:11,200 --> 00:55:17,260
payers, we do plan to take advantage of the DNR's SRF program for several large scale and large dollar sewer capital

590
00:55:17,260 --> 00:55:23,220
projects. This is the proposed ballot language for the proposed water revenue bond authorization.

591
00:55:28,420 --> 00:55:29,980
Again, we're

592
00:55:29,980 --> 00:55:35,960
board by May 26 next week and week from today. And this is the revenue bond or the

593
00:55:35,960 --> 00:55:39,560
ballot language for the sewer revenue bond authorization, same thing, and it's beyond

594
00:55:39,560 --> 00:55:45,280
the ballot August 4th. This is our timeline. So I had a first read last week, now we're

595
00:55:45,280 --> 00:55:49,860
in front of committee, hopefully in two days you all will vote on this and approve it with

596
00:55:49,860 --> 00:55:53,880
the accelerated language. And we'll meet the deadline and then we'll spend the next two

597
00:55:53,880 --> 00:55:59,060
months going around to community groups to educate them on both of these ballot initiatives

598
00:55:59,060 --> 00:56:04,540
and hopefully get passage on August 4th, and with that that's all I have. I'll entertain

599
00:56:04,540 --> 00:56:07,780
any questions. All right, are there any questions coming in the committee?

600
00:56:09,420 --> 00:56:12,800
I can't spend time can. So you're telling us we need to pass this today?

601
00:56:13,340 --> 00:56:20,000
Yes. Okay. Well, please make us. I just wanted to make sure. Right. Is there any public

602
00:56:20,000 --> 00:56:28,380
testimony for December 26, 401 or an December 26, 402? No, I'm not. It's the major. No one

603
00:56:30,300 --> 00:56:34,640
question for you, to the extent that there are questions from the voters on what impact

604
00:56:34,640 --> 00:56:37,340
of any does this have on rates? What is the answer?

605
00:56:38,300 --> 00:56:42,680
The answer is it helps us keep rates that level rate increases like we've been doing. If

606
00:56:42,680 --> 00:56:47,420
you look at our long term financial plan, we take into account our ability to issue continued

607
00:56:47,420 --> 00:56:55,700
to issue debt in future years for future capital projects, but also be very judicious in

608
00:56:55,700 --> 00:56:58,720
we're managing the leverage on our balance sheet between debt and cash.

609
00:56:59,800 --> 00:57:04,320
So rates may increase as is the natural plan from correct services has.

610
00:57:04,700 --> 00:57:11,040
However, this is not for someone to be concerned that it actually has the impact of increasing

611
00:57:11,040 --> 00:57:13,460
rates anymore rapidly or anything of that sort.

612
00:57:13,680 --> 00:57:13,960
Correct.

613
00:57:14,220 --> 00:57:15,500
I will say this, though.

614
00:57:15,620 --> 00:57:20,940
If this does not pass, we will have to pursue very high forms of cost to capitalists.

615
00:57:21,540 --> 00:57:25,680
So just to give you an example, the difference between pursuing an SRF loan for a hundred

616
00:57:25,680 --> 00:57:30,560
million dollars and using a appropriation debt and this current rate environment that we're

617
00:57:30,560 --> 00:57:37,200
in, would be about $70 million in incremental interest, which case we would have to

618
00:57:37,200 --> 00:57:42,340
ask for significant rate increases above the ones we've been asking for year after year.

619
00:57:42,400 --> 00:57:43,540
I'm just to it.

620
00:57:43,860 --> 00:57:44,560
Thank you.

621
00:57:44,680 --> 00:57:48,700
And very good presentation, although I will note that you scare me even more than Tammy Queen.

622
00:57:49,740 --> 00:57:50,580
I don't know about that.

623
00:57:54,020 --> 00:57:59,220
Madam Chair, I move the order that's 260481 be reported advancing due past the full council.

624
00:57:59,500 --> 00:57:59,920
Thank you.

625
00:58:00,080 --> 00:58:03,640
I've been moved in seconded that ordinance number 260481 be reported out of committee with

626
00:58:03,640 --> 00:58:05,660
recommendation of the bans in due past.

627
00:58:07,550 --> 00:58:07,790
We also.

628
00:58:08,870 --> 00:58:09,090
Oh.

629
00:58:09,830 --> 00:58:09,930
Oh.

630
00:58:09,930 --> 00:58:10,850
This is a favor please.

631
00:58:11,210 --> 00:58:11,510
Sorry.

632
00:58:13,850 --> 00:58:14,770
Any opposed?

633
00:58:15,110 --> 00:58:15,890
The motion passes.

634
00:58:16,210 --> 00:58:16,450
Sorry.

635
00:58:16,830 --> 00:58:17,770
I forgot the second half.

636
00:58:17,910 --> 00:58:18,150
Go ahead.

637
00:58:18,710 --> 00:58:21,150
Madam Chair, I move it ordinance 260482.

638
00:58:21,790 --> 00:58:23,790
We reported events of due pass to full council.

639
00:58:24,790 --> 00:58:25,570
It's been moved in second.

640
00:58:26,030 --> 00:58:27,910
The ordinance number 260482.

641
00:58:27,970 --> 00:58:30,510
Be reported out of committee with recommendation of the banks in due pass.

642
00:58:30,670 --> 00:58:32,030
All those in favor please say aye.

643
00:58:32,110 --> 00:58:32,510
Aye.

644
00:58:32,910 --> 00:58:33,430
Any opposed?

645
00:58:33,870 --> 00:58:33,890
Okay.

646
00:58:34,030 --> 00:58:34,750
That motion has this.

647
00:58:34,990 --> 00:58:36,390
I was thinking ahead.

648
00:58:36,610 --> 00:58:37,950
Thank you.

649
00:58:37,950 --> 00:58:38,270
Thank you.

650
00:58:38,650 --> 00:58:38,750
Thank you.

651
00:58:38,750 --> 00:58:39,050
Thank you.

652
00:58:39,050 --> 00:58:39,190
Thank you.

653
00:58:39,190 --> 00:58:39,370
Thank you.

654
00:58:39,790 --> 00:58:47,150
Thank you.

655
00:58:47,150 --> 00:58:57,150
from District B, 4-5, to District MPD, and approving the development plan to allow for maintenance and redevelopment of the Country Club Plaza.

656
00:58:58,450 --> 00:58:58,570
Great.

657
00:59:12,650 --> 00:59:13,110
.

658
00:59:13,110 --> 00:59:13,930
.

659
00:59:13,930 --> 00:59:21,230
0, 0, and amended by orders number 2, 2, 0, 7, 2, 9, and which establishes use and height

660
00:59:21,230 --> 00:59:28,970
regulations for the area generally located on the south and north sides of West 47th Street.

661
00:59:29,830 --> 00:59:35,610
Between Madison Avenue, on the west, and Mill Creek Parkway, on the east, in order to remove

662
00:59:35,610 --> 00:59:40,950
two parcels generally located on the east side of the wind industry, and between West

663
00:59:40,950 --> 00:59:47,430
46 terrorists on the North and West 47th Street on the South, from the Overlay District.

664
00:59:50,650 --> 00:59:58,510
2040-445 vacating the sidewalk right away and proposed the district MPD generally located

665
00:59:58,510 --> 00:59:59,950
within the area known as...

666
01:00:08,190 --> 01:00:21,410
Let's set aside the vacation for a while. Let's start with the MPD plan. If you will give us an update and talk about the new

667
01:00:21,410 --> 01:00:24,570
and how that interface with the MPD.

668
01:00:24,830 --> 01:00:26,130
So let's start there, I think.

669
01:00:26,790 --> 01:00:29,970
And whatever else you information you have for us.

670
01:00:33,170 --> 01:00:37,030
So first, just a reminder, there's not yet a committee

671
01:00:37,030 --> 01:00:38,250
study before you all.

672
01:00:38,590 --> 01:00:42,250
So since we last presented this to you last Tuesday,

673
01:00:42,730 --> 01:00:46,170
we have had several conversations with the Plaza

674
01:00:46,170 --> 01:00:50,270
Development Team about what was contained in the design

675
01:00:50,270 --> 01:00:54,850
guidelines and the conditions and deviations in the introduced ordinance.

676
01:00:56,150 --> 01:01:02,490
And they have shared with staff an updated version of their design guidelines document.

677
01:01:03,150 --> 01:01:09,530
And we've had a lot of discussion about how perhaps the conditions and deviations could be revised.

678
01:01:10,610 --> 01:01:16,850
So I think that you have a couple of proposed committee sums that might be shared with you.

679
01:01:16,850 --> 01:01:25,450
One, we would note that there does need to be a correction in the legal descriptions from the, there was a, part of it was included around easily.

680
01:01:26,350 --> 01:01:32,690
We've discussed quite a bit revising things to remove references to digital signage and the puzzle.

681
01:01:33,250 --> 01:01:40,790
We've had some discussion in the design guidelines about adding some additional design guidelines, which for taller buildings,

682
01:01:40,790 --> 01:01:44,010
and they have also proposed some revised language

683
01:01:44,010 --> 01:01:47,710
to make the design guidelines, I would say, stronger.

684
01:01:48,010 --> 01:01:51,330
General, more is, you know, striking word consider

685
01:01:51,330 --> 01:01:54,750
and using language like use, utilize.

686
01:01:55,270 --> 01:02:03,110
We've had some discussion about changes to the deviations

687
01:02:03,110 --> 01:02:06,110
related to our update, to the parking ordinance,

688
01:02:06,110 --> 01:02:13,490
And just some clarity around what is required for both vehicle parking and for bicycle parking.

689
01:02:14,310 --> 01:02:20,310
And then we've also discussed a changes to a salvage plan for block F.

690
01:02:20,910 --> 01:02:27,170
If that were to be redeveloped, that's the old Sears Building where the theater used to be.

691
01:02:27,170 --> 01:02:36,480
It changes related to, I'm leaving something out, Dustin, but now I don't see where it isn't made up.

692
01:02:41,180 --> 01:02:50,520
Some other changes regarding doing a inventory of items that aren't attached to a building.

693
01:02:51,020 --> 01:02:57,260
So, it fountains a public art sculptures in noting that if any changes were to be made,

694
01:02:57,420 --> 01:03:01,960
that there has to be a plan submitted about how those items would be preserved.

695
01:03:02,460 --> 01:03:08,760
I think that would be another notable change that we've discussed.

696
01:03:08,760 --> 01:03:14,700
So I'm happy to answer any questions or to ask further into any of those details.

697
01:03:15,120 --> 01:03:21,640
I'd also be happy at this point to discuss the ordinance 26486 regarding the plausible overlay.

698
01:03:22,300 --> 01:03:23,980
Yes, why didn't you go ahead and do that?

699
01:03:24,080 --> 01:03:27,760
Because I think there's some questions about why this was introduced.

700
01:03:28,220 --> 01:03:31,760
And so I rolled that has any over all in PD plan.

701
01:03:32,180 --> 01:03:38,640
Sure. So ordinance 26486 that was introduced last week and is before you for the first time today.

702
01:03:38,640 --> 01:03:41,320
would it be an amendment to the possible overlay?

703
01:03:41,800 --> 01:03:47,180
This was discussed before CPC with the original MPD.

704
01:03:47,400 --> 01:03:52,320
Again, here's the site in the midtown area of the city,

705
01:03:53,640 --> 01:03:55,380
and you all are familiar with the area.

706
01:03:55,400 --> 01:03:57,160
It's included in the MPD plan.

707
01:03:57,960 --> 01:04:00,540
I would note that there are two parcels here,

708
01:04:00,660 --> 01:04:03,800
at the corner of Lyon dot in West 47th Street,

709
01:04:04,260 --> 01:04:06,880
that are not owned by the General Plaza ownership

710
01:04:06,880 --> 01:04:12,300
are owned by commerce bank, and they are located within the plausible overlay.

711
01:04:12,440 --> 01:04:16,920
So this map shows you in blue the area that is defined by the zoning

712
01:04:16,920 --> 01:04:21,080
ordinances being part of the country club plaza that's in blue.

713
01:04:21,440 --> 01:04:27,300
And then in orange is the area that's governed by the plausible overlay, which was adopted

714
01:04:27,300 --> 01:04:33,860
as ordinance 190 100, and so these two parcels are in that area.

715
01:04:34,600 --> 01:04:50,040
We had discussed, as part of this, an amendment to the plausible to take those out, and after some additional discussions decided that would be cleaner as a separate ordinance rather than being included in the MPD rezoning.

716
01:04:50,580 --> 01:04:59,900
One of the plan sheets that's included in the MPD does show these two parcels in green with the cross hatch is being removed from the plausible overlay.

717
01:05:00,140 --> 01:05:16,760
This is important for two reasons, as we're concerned about conflicts between the adopted MPD and the overlay. One would be in terms of height, the plausible overlay does establish lower height limits for those two, but also in terms of permitted uses.

718
01:05:17,460 --> 01:05:27,340
There are some differences between the uses that are permitted or permitted with an S special use permit or prohibited in the plausible overlay and what's being proposed in this MPD.

719
01:05:27,340 --> 01:05:32,040
and I've summarized a few of them here in this slide, we feel that making this change will

720
01:05:32,040 --> 01:05:36,560
provide some clarity to staff and the developer in the future, and that's why we're

721
01:05:36,560 --> 01:05:42,200
showing this as a separate ordinance. And again, this was came before, is that you plan

722
01:05:42,200 --> 01:05:47,740
commission with the NPD in general and they did recommend approval. And I'm happy to answer

723
01:05:47,740 --> 01:05:49,180
any questions you might have.

724
01:05:49,740 --> 01:05:54,680
And just to be clear, those two parcels while I'm on own by the very are included in

725
01:05:54,680 --> 01:06:03,560
the MPD plans, and I think that was the, the, all for I think there was in discussion last

726
01:06:03,560 --> 01:06:10,860
week about what the, the applicant or the owners suggested committee subsidies, suggested

727
01:06:10,860 --> 01:06:19,200
changes included removing those two parcels from the overlay, but the suggestion of staff

728
01:06:19,200 --> 01:06:26,280
was to have that as a separate ordinance, so it would be cleaner because there's a map that

729
01:06:26,280 --> 01:06:32,260
says those parcels, and if you go back to the slide number four, if you will,

730
01:06:37,010 --> 01:06:38,910
the area

731
01:06:38,910 --> 01:06:44,970
and blue is a separate, it has separate rules governing,

732
01:06:45,290 --> 01:06:48,830
it's sending parcels that parcels in forage.

733
01:06:51,870 --> 01:06:59,610
So I think that is, in my mind, that is why dealing with it

734
01:06:59,610 --> 01:07:05,110
separately is very complicated that took me a while

735
01:07:05,110 --> 01:07:12,270
and a few maps to go through the process because we have different ordinances, different places

736
01:07:12,270 --> 01:07:20,030
in which the restrictions are included, somewhere in the code, somewhere in ordinances.

737
01:07:20,730 --> 01:07:25,390
So I just wanted to make it clear for everyone because I know there are some questions

738
01:07:26,590 --> 01:07:28,930
and why we're doing this.

739
01:07:28,930 --> 01:07:36,830
Councilman Duncan. Yes Madam Chair, I have failed to communicate to the clerk, but I would like to be added as a

740
01:07:36,830 --> 01:07:43,930
co-sponsor for 26, 0, 4, 8, 6. So for those in the audience, this is a new ordinance. We will take

741
01:07:43,930 --> 01:07:53,530
order testimony in a bit on the sole issue of removal from these two parcels from the overly

742
01:07:53,530 --> 01:08:00,170
districts, I would ask that you combine your testimonies specifically to whether or not to exclude

743
01:08:00,170 --> 01:08:10,810
these two parcels from the Plaza Bowl overlay district. But I think we should go back to the

744
01:08:10,810 --> 01:08:23,510
original kind of overarching topic of the MPD ordinance and kind of the questions that we

745
01:08:23,510 --> 01:08:31,630
have, and I think that you mentioned Ms. Copeland of the possibility of some committee

746
01:08:31,630 --> 01:08:36,750
substance, which I think that have been suggested, and there's some that have been agreed

747
01:08:38,330 --> 01:08:50,090
to from the underside, and how we proceed with them. And perhaps I think from ease of discussion

748
01:08:50,090 --> 01:08:56,890
from the Council, because we will not take additional testimony on the MPD. I think we have taken significant

749
01:08:56,890 --> 01:09:03,670
testimony on that. We received substantial email testimony, which I think has all been attached

750
01:09:03,670 --> 01:09:11,550
to the clerks website. It's kind of walking through each of those and preparing a committee

751
01:09:15,090 --> 01:09:21,330
I think we should start with each of those items and have that discussion.

752
01:09:24,150 --> 01:09:29,550
I think the one item you mentioned, probably non-controversial,

753
01:09:30,210 --> 01:09:32,970
the removal of the parcel that is not adjacent to the plaza.

754
01:09:33,350 --> 01:09:35,590
I think it's actually in the Waldo area.

755
01:09:35,590 --> 01:09:45,230
I believe that is a property owned by the owners of the Plaza, it is used as a storage or maintenance facility.

756
01:09:46,110 --> 01:09:52,150
And so that is something, unless anyone has objection, we will remove that from the MBD plan.

757
01:09:54,310 --> 01:09:59,130
The second question would be,

758
01:10:02,190 --> 01:10:10,250
Perhaps the loading and loading spaces, is that the next one, or, sir, do you want to walk us through?

759
01:10:11,070 --> 01:10:17,610
From the introduced ordinance, staff was suggest that condition number 3 could be struck.

760
01:10:17,850 --> 01:10:21,810
It's no longer needed because of the updated parking ordinance.

761
01:10:22,410 --> 01:10:29,910
Right. We would suggest striking condition number 6, because that would be addressed by a couple of deviations

762
01:10:29,910 --> 01:10:35,930
that the applicant has requested, that's with regards to loading and unloading in the right of way.

763
01:10:36,710 --> 01:10:46,790
We don't actually have a can city plan commission was supportive of this approval to allow them to use the right of way for loading and unloading.

764
01:10:46,790 --> 01:10:48,090
That's something that happens now.

765
01:10:48,350 --> 01:10:53,330
It's just that we can address that with a deviation because those are standards contained in the ordinance.

766
01:10:53,330 --> 01:10:55,590
Let me stop you there.

767
01:10:56,370 --> 01:11:04,110
Doesn't you have the presentation that you have your list of requests available?

768
01:11:04,670 --> 01:11:08,390
I'm just wondering if there's a way that we can put some additional on this screen.

769
01:11:08,510 --> 01:11:14,150
If you'll give me just a minute, let me pull my laptop up and see if I have a presentation that may help facilitate this.

770
01:11:14,150 --> 01:11:14,450
Okay.

771
01:11:14,950 --> 01:11:16,050
All right.

772
01:11:16,810 --> 01:11:21,370
Go ahead and let's, I think we can, I don't want to take up too much time.

773
01:11:21,370 --> 01:11:23,670
but I know we have that last week.

774
01:11:32,480 --> 01:11:32,660
Yes.

775
01:11:33,200 --> 01:11:38,480
Just to nail down where we are, I know that on Friday we had a conversation

776
01:11:38,480 --> 01:11:42,760
and you had paired 10 major points that we wanted to ensure

777
01:11:42,760 --> 01:11:47,180
we're included in a committee substitute from what I

778
01:11:47,180 --> 01:11:50,180
understood it would Sarah had spoken with.

779
01:11:50,480 --> 01:11:55,740
I believe it was Chris on Friday there's been additional documents

780
01:11:55,740 --> 01:12:02,300
It's funny, I think, as early as this morning, I would love for us to nail down where

781
01:12:02,300 --> 01:12:05,740
the gaps are between the 10 points that we'd agreed to.

782
01:12:06,600 --> 01:12:12,940
Mayor staff is in that meeting as well, and where the plaza folks are to see if we can

783
01:12:12,940 --> 01:12:14,000
get something out today.

784
01:12:22,370 --> 01:12:29,630
And looking at for that list of 10 items, and I think I think the, I think the, I think the,

785
01:12:29,630 --> 01:12:29,870
go ahead.

786
01:12:29,890 --> 01:12:33,650
Well, if I may, yeah, just for clarity, for those of us who aren't quite that,

787
01:12:33,650 --> 01:12:39,790
as involved. I mean, to city planning and development have its own, if you were to draft

788
01:12:39,790 --> 01:12:46,730
a committee's substitute, have a version of that. Have the class as the applicants seen,

789
01:12:47,530 --> 01:12:52,310
or at least, do you have an understanding for what are the proposals of city planning and development?

790
01:12:53,590 --> 01:13:01,730
I believe that we have a spirit of probably where staff is. I have not seen verbatim what they

791
01:13:01,730 --> 01:13:08,010
I have drafted, we had an extremely productive meeting, right, and have had additional conversations.

792
01:13:08,530 --> 01:13:16,670
So I would, I think, holistically, we're probably on the same page, if not on the same

793
01:13:16,670 --> 01:13:20,710
verse, but I have not seen final language.

794
01:13:20,830 --> 01:13:25,270
I'm happy to step through that real time and hammer this out today.

795
01:13:25,630 --> 01:13:30,130
Because what, yeah, because my thought might be if there is a committee substitute that would

796
01:13:30,130 --> 01:13:36,730
worthy of our review and perhaps you have sent it, but if that could be circulated to the

797
01:13:36,730 --> 01:13:42,130
committee in the form, I'll make it mine since—thank you for following the rules—we

798
01:13:42,130 --> 01:13:48,710
do the committee sums. Sometimes people forget that, but I'd be happy to circulate this as

799
01:13:48,710 --> 01:13:53,610
a potential committee substitute that I will introduce and then to the councilman's point,

800
01:13:53,750 --> 01:13:59,690
perhaps that's the subject of our discussion where both the applicant and others that we

801
01:13:59,690 --> 01:14:02,610
heard from have a chance to inform our viewpoints.

802
01:14:03,330 --> 01:14:04,930
So can you?

803
01:14:04,950 --> 01:14:06,610
Yes, and we can send it right now.

804
01:14:07,170 --> 01:14:08,830
That's actually what you're talking about.

805
01:14:09,230 --> 01:14:14,810
You are working from, so I think it's, yeah, I think if we can, let me see, I will send

806
01:14:14,810 --> 01:14:15,690
it right now.

807
01:14:16,830 --> 01:14:22,730
But I think, kind of highlighting the big points of this, so those in the audience will

808
01:14:22,730 --> 01:14:27,050
know as well. But I think parking and loading,

809
01:14:29,410 --> 01:14:36,570
having a salvage plan with respect to block

810
01:14:36,570 --> 01:14:45,810
F, which is the Sears Building or Swapsers Block, within, I can't talk and send an email

811
01:14:45,810 --> 01:14:48,670
at the same time. So, Duncan, do you have it?

812
01:14:48,670 --> 01:14:50,710
I will pull it up.

813
01:14:54,440 --> 01:14:57,140
I think another large one while you're playing that up, if you don't mind.

814
01:14:57,620 --> 01:14:57,660
Okay.

815
01:14:57,660 --> 01:14:59,840
Chairman, was the removal of digital.

816
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:06,140
Signage throughout the Plaza, so that was something we had a great discussion with with staff on Friday.

817
01:15:06,760 --> 01:15:12,840
We have agreed to remove digital signages of provision. Just getting some highlights here while you guys pull up those documents.

818
01:15:13,920 --> 01:15:21,080
We also had some conversation and some refinement related to the monument sign location, so that would be kind of monument signs in the right of way.

819
01:15:21,200 --> 01:15:25,620
Really focused on visibility triangles and really kind of tightening that up.

820
01:15:25,620 --> 01:15:32,040
We also, Sarah mentioned this, but I think it's important to highlight any new multi-family

821
01:15:32,040 --> 01:15:36,500
development would be required to provide long-term bike parking as required by City

822
01:15:36,500 --> 01:15:39,540
Code, which we think is important and was our intention.

823
01:15:39,780 --> 01:15:45,880
So if some of this was just ensuring that everybody's intention was captured through the

824
01:15:45,880 --> 01:15:51,380
deviations and or the design guidelines, speaking to the design guidelines as Sarah mentioned,

825
01:15:51,380 --> 01:15:54,060
we did spend a significant amount of work,

826
01:15:55,180 --> 01:15:56,040
tightening up that language,

827
01:15:56,780 --> 01:16:00,120
removing the word consider and adding stronger language in there,

828
01:16:00,240 --> 01:16:01,660
like utilization or use.

829
01:16:02,300 --> 01:16:05,140
We also added a section related to buildings

830
01:16:05,140 --> 01:16:07,520
that could be greater than eight stories,

831
01:16:08,420 --> 01:16:10,720
putting additional design controls there

832
01:16:10,720 --> 01:16:11,980
within the design guidelines.

833
01:16:13,820 --> 01:16:16,140
So I think that kind of at a high level is a few

834
01:16:16,140 --> 01:16:20,080
to kind of help as you look through your email there

835
01:16:20,080 --> 01:16:20,760
Yes.

836
01:16:21,900 --> 01:16:23,460
Thank you.

837
01:16:23,840 --> 01:16:24,240
Thank you.

838
01:16:25,400 --> 01:16:30,280
So it was the salvage plan, shades study.

839
01:16:30,940 --> 01:16:37,420
I don't think we've touched on the Council of Peel provisions within the original

840
01:16:38,080 --> 01:16:43,080
master plan development, which would essentially provide an additional appeal to Council

841
01:16:43,080 --> 01:16:44,740
from any CPC decision.

842
01:16:46,000 --> 01:16:53,920
And then the phasing, I think there is additional phasing plan for this, and then thank you for touching on the design lines.

843
01:16:54,180 --> 01:17:03,720
I can't stress enough that the design guidelines given the communities concern regarding height are paramount.

844
01:17:04,860 --> 01:17:11,280
And parking signs, which are touched on, fencing, and that's the bulk of it.

845
01:17:11,280 --> 01:17:16,940
And I think the question I'm fencing. I don't think that has been addressed. I think it was just a question.

846
01:17:18,120 --> 01:17:25,480
There was a condition that the deviation to allow six foot fence in the front and side yard.

847
01:17:26,080 --> 01:17:36,500
Can you just comment about why that is necessary? And this is more of a question and it was unclear to me why that was necessary.

848
01:17:36,500 --> 01:17:38,840
Yeah, I'll do my best here.

849
01:17:39,080 --> 01:17:41,860
So I think our concern is that it exists today,

850
01:17:42,000 --> 01:17:45,260
and I'll use some examples kind of closer

851
01:17:45,260 --> 01:17:47,720
to a breast creek and ward parkway.

852
01:17:48,120 --> 01:17:49,260
We have some existing building,

853
01:17:49,520 --> 01:17:51,460
or a lot of existing buildings out there today,

854
01:17:51,920 --> 01:17:54,140
that have traps, compactors, and dumpsters,

855
01:17:54,720 --> 01:17:58,160
is I read the existing code related to defencing and screening,

856
01:17:58,260 --> 01:18:00,600
those are probably not in compliance today.

857
01:18:00,780 --> 01:18:02,060
And so we have a little hard burn

858
01:18:02,060 --> 01:18:05,520
as we begin to do renovation and redevelopment

859
01:18:05,520 --> 01:18:22,760
that the ability to screen a trash compactor might require a fence greater than 4 feet, and I think that would be in the side yard, because the way I interpret the code is it exists today to side yard, some of those dumpsters and facilities would be within there.

860
01:18:22,860 --> 01:18:35,220
So we would want to fence potentially greater than 4 feet there. So that's our concern. I don't think this is a major sticking point, chairwoman, but that's our perspective as we sit today.

861
01:18:35,220 --> 01:18:44,940
And that, I think, in the committee's subsidy, that deviation was left in there in number.

862
01:18:45,960 --> 01:18:48,800
But the committee's subsidy didn't see aid was allowed.

863
01:18:49,640 --> 01:18:55,820
So it's more relating to fencing and screening as opposed to putting a full fence around a building.

864
01:18:59,980 --> 01:19:00,780
Absolutely.

865
01:19:00,780 --> 01:19:07,420
intention is not related to security fencing or fencing off any portion that rough. It's more

866
01:19:07,420 --> 01:19:12,920
frustrating. So I think, you know, looking at the committee's absolute bet is being proposed

867
01:19:14,320 --> 01:19:22,880
by CPC staff or not CPC staff, but planning department staff. I think the only,

868
01:19:36,570 --> 01:19:39,370
Let's couple and I'll see 11.

869
01:19:40,410 --> 01:19:42,130
I'll put it at the top of your inbox.

870
01:19:44,620 --> 01:19:47,180
For deviation in the height of the bottom line,

871
01:19:48,200 --> 01:19:49,900
or block D, I'm sorry.

872
01:19:51,120 --> 01:19:54,880
So if you remove those two parcels from the possible overlay,

873
01:19:55,060 --> 01:19:56,580
that deviation is not needed.

874
01:19:57,060 --> 01:19:57,080
Okay.

875
01:20:00,560 --> 01:20:03,480
All right. So,

876
01:20:06,720 --> 01:20:14,050
other apart from what is being discussed so far, there are other deviations that you are seeking

877
01:20:15,030 --> 01:20:16,550
them what we've talked about.

878
01:20:16,590 --> 01:20:17,510
I don't believe so.

879
01:20:17,750 --> 01:20:21,990
And you're not seeking the appeal from the commission.

880
01:20:24,010 --> 01:20:25,670
We are fine striking that deviation.

881
01:20:27,400 --> 01:20:30,380
There are any other questions,

882
01:20:35,680 --> 01:20:35,860
right?

883
01:20:37,820 --> 01:20:40,200
So, Mr.er.

884
01:20:42,180 --> 01:20:42,960
All right.

885
01:20:43,280 --> 01:20:47,580
The committee steps to reflect what I guess we've now circulated.

886
01:20:47,800 --> 01:20:50,680
You can call it the mayor's committee's substitute to make it easier for council,

887
01:20:51,280 --> 01:20:55,200
which would reflect entirely the city planning and development department.

888
01:20:55,580 --> 01:20:56,660
The committee's steps to do.

889
01:20:57,200 --> 01:20:57,620
Yes.

890
01:20:58,100 --> 01:20:59,080
I'm sorry, interrupt.

891
01:20:59,300 --> 01:21:01,100
Can I just ask one clarifying question?

892
01:21:01,100 --> 01:21:05,060
We had a kind of last minute, just session about finance.

893
01:21:05,980 --> 01:21:06,420
That's fine.

894
01:21:07,400 --> 01:21:15,820
Yes, that I don't think was included in when I first received, but maybe you've updated that in the draft that you sent to the mayor.

895
01:21:16,540 --> 01:21:17,360
I have not.

896
01:21:17,780 --> 01:21:18,600
Outdoor advertising.

897
01:21:19,480 --> 01:21:21,540
A point of just procedure.

898
01:21:22,500 --> 01:21:24,400
Should I email this to the committee?

899
01:21:25,280 --> 01:21:29,480
I think that this committee said I think we have.

900
01:21:29,480 --> 01:21:37,780
Okay, that's what I'm done in that has, so this, the red line that shows all what is being

901
01:21:37,780 --> 01:21:42,920
proposed by planning staff, the deviations has been prepared, has been emailed.

902
01:21:43,440 --> 01:21:49,420
It does include the additional deviation that you and I discussed this morning with regards

903
01:21:49,420 --> 01:21:50,540
to sign it up for.

904
01:21:54,360 --> 01:22:01,160
So I'm going to call for public testimony, ordinance number two, 60 or four, eight, six.

905
01:22:01,160 --> 01:22:06,220
This is relating to the removal of the two parcels from the Plaza Boe overlay.

906
01:22:07,100 --> 01:22:12,080
I have three cards. I'm just going to call each of them. Ethan Star, Vicki Noetis,

907
01:22:12,320 --> 01:22:15,220
and a million back in time. If you will go ahead and come forward.

908
01:22:21,700 --> 01:22:25,500
Thank you. Madam Chair, members of the committee. My name is Vicki Noetis.

909
01:22:25,580 --> 01:22:30,220
I live at 14 knees, 50 fifth terrace. And I'm speaking on behalf of the organizations

910
01:22:30,220 --> 01:22:33,840
and the neighborhood coalition that's had concerns about the MPD.

911
01:22:34,460 --> 01:22:40,360
Our concern today, well, one, apparently you guys are meeting Friday that hashed out a bunch of details.

912
01:22:40,620 --> 01:22:44,520
We've been asking questions since Friday and haven't received any answers about them.

913
01:22:44,800 --> 01:22:47,740
So, excuse us, if we're behind a table here.

914
01:22:49,160 --> 01:22:55,600
I don't think there's any reason to take these two parcels out of the overlay to accomplish what you want to do.

915
01:22:55,700 --> 01:23:00,280
For the same reason, we didn't take the entire MPD out of the overlay.

916
01:23:00,280 --> 01:23:07,240
When we talked to the Gill and Girl early on last year, the year before about the benefits

917
01:23:07,240 --> 01:23:13,220
of staying in the overlay, which is important to them, as anybody else who is around

918
01:23:13,220 --> 01:23:22,640
it, is that it protects you from unwanted uses if you go back to before five, before five,

919
01:23:22,700 --> 01:23:27,440
it's a horrible zoning category, which we've been trying to get rid of for years.

920
01:23:27,440 --> 01:23:32,140
And the only way we've been able to do that is with and overlay if this if these two

921
01:23:32,140 --> 01:23:37,860
parcels ever revert back to be four or five everybody's in trouble because of the uses

922
01:23:37,860 --> 01:23:42,580
that are allowed you don't get any you can build stuff without even coming to the city at all

923
01:23:42,580 --> 01:23:48,300
just go get a building permit for some of this stuff which includes some of the uses that are

924
01:23:48,300 --> 01:23:53,340
excluded so that that seems to me like the best thing to do is treat this like we did

925
01:23:53,340 --> 01:24:01,040
in the first ordinance with the MPD, don't resone it from B45 because it's not B45.

926
01:24:02,060 --> 01:24:05,400
Resone it from the overlay with whatever it is you want in there.

927
01:24:05,660 --> 01:24:10,580
The same way you did is the MPD because any parcels that come out of the overlay,

928
01:24:10,860 --> 01:24:14,740
you're going to see a domino effect of everybody else who once out of the overlay.

929
01:24:15,380 --> 01:24:19,800
When it was first discussed in first past, most of the property owners,

930
01:24:20,080 --> 01:24:23,020
which are the orange ones, they're multiple property owners in there,

931
01:24:23,020 --> 01:24:25,400
which is why it was done after the first one,

932
01:24:25,540 --> 01:24:28,000
which was all owned by high loads at the time,

933
01:24:28,640 --> 01:24:31,300
is that they all said, well, we'll agree to this.

934
01:24:31,360 --> 01:24:34,520
We'll come into this as long as everybody stays in this

935
01:24:34,520 --> 01:24:37,900
because if somebody else wants out, then we want out.

936
01:24:38,460 --> 01:24:41,700
That's gonna create huge problems in the future

937
01:24:41,700 --> 01:24:45,380
for everybody and including the Gillian Group.

938
01:24:45,520 --> 01:24:49,860
So my request is that if you're gonna do a separate

939
01:24:49,860 --> 01:24:57,860
substitute, committee substitute for this, that you change it to not get rid of the overlay,

940
01:24:58,180 --> 01:24:59,960
just amend the overlay the same way.

941
01:25:02,160 --> 01:25:11,160
So that that's more consistent than taking this out of the overlay entirely, which I'm still not sure why we're doing that.

942
01:25:12,380 --> 01:25:16,060
Thank you. Please consider not taking it out of the overlay.

943
01:25:16,060 --> 01:25:17,100
Thank you,

944
01:25:26,960 --> 01:25:34,820
Elia McIntyre. In this context, I'm representing both Plaza Westport and Parkway

945
01:25:34,820 --> 01:25:44,540
Towers as both were very much involved in the passage of ordinance 19.0100. That was very

946
01:25:44,540 --> 01:25:55,400
involved and it took a lot of collaboration with those owners along the north. We are very concerned

947
01:25:55,400 --> 01:26:03,460
about the precedent that this will set for others to come in, so suddenly we have a

948
01:26:03,460 --> 01:26:11,980
height war going on to the detriment of everyone else who's already invested in their homes

949
01:26:11,980 --> 01:26:20,820
in their businesses along that building and ability to rely on what zoning is in place is important.

950
01:26:20,820 --> 01:26:26,760
What I just heard and we not have the benefit of seeing the committee's sub so we're fencing in the dark

951
01:26:26,760 --> 01:26:33,000
But what I heard is that the deviation imposing a height limit was no longer necessary

952
01:26:33,000 --> 01:26:37,740
Why is that does it revert to be for five at some point?

953
01:26:37,760 --> 01:26:39,500
Which is unlimited height?

954
01:26:39,960 --> 01:26:45,020
That is very concerning to us. That was the purpose of ordinance

955
01:26:45,020 --> 01:26:53,240
19,000, 100, not passed all that long ago and it was very important and engaged many people

956
01:26:53,240 --> 01:27:00,880
in the community. We fear that that is being overlooked, that public engagement to keep

957
01:27:00,880 --> 01:27:07,120
those buildings and when you do this, you know the next people are going to be asking is David

958
01:27:07,120 --> 01:27:12,560
Block for the Plaza Medical Building that's got the murals on it at 4620 Mill Creek Parkway

959
01:27:12,560 --> 01:27:17,960
another height. It's going to be other owners and you've started a war of height.

960
01:27:19,380 --> 01:27:28,220
19100 was to do a plan to be implemented and honored and that put a height on sight

961
01:27:28,220 --> 01:27:31,620
D that's being ignored. Thank you.

962
01:27:37,020 --> 01:27:39,780
Ethan Star from Historic Kansas City, I'll speak very briefly

963
01:27:39,780 --> 01:27:46,060
just to the buildings affected by this ordinance. Complete between 1923, 1924.

964
01:27:46,060 --> 01:27:50,840
The set of buildings we see along 47th Street, Wine Dot, No Creek Parkway.

965
01:27:51,440 --> 01:27:56,540
This established the original nucleus of the Plaza, the adjacent tower and Wolframin's

966
01:27:56,540 --> 01:27:56,840
buildings.

967
01:27:57,080 --> 01:28:00,420
That's a commerce bank building along 47th Street and Wine Dot.

968
01:28:00,800 --> 01:28:05,020
The latter serving his home to commerce for many decades were among the first buildings

969
01:28:05,020 --> 01:28:05,780
of the Plaza.

970
01:28:06,460 --> 01:28:12,960
Our interpretation over the last decade here has been that the 45 foot height limit has protected

971
01:28:12,960 --> 01:28:14,180
these buildings from demolition.

972
01:28:14,180 --> 01:28:19,720
And that's all there is, essentially, in terms of zoning protections that disincentivized

973
01:28:19,720 --> 01:28:25,720
demolition, that would be going away if this rezoning were to go through.

974
01:28:26,080 --> 01:28:31,140
The related MPD plan, because of course, a height of 178 feet for this block, well,

975
01:28:31,220 --> 01:28:38,060
demarcating a boundary of only 20 feet behind these historic storefronts, the exterior storefronts

976
01:28:38,060 --> 01:28:41,020
at which construction of a tower could reach that full height.

977
01:28:41,020 --> 01:28:46,760
The narrow buffer here comes from the character contributing designation created by the applicants,

978
01:28:47,880 --> 01:28:54,640
which proposes the proposal extends to a few buildings on this block, but notably excludes

979
01:28:54,640 --> 01:29:01,400
both of the wine dot facing exterior facades of the two buildings subject to the resounding.

980
01:29:01,620 --> 01:29:06,720
This is a mistake, which city planning staff recommendations sought to remedy months ago,

981
01:29:06,720 --> 01:29:09,380
And which should be addressed in a committee substitute,

982
01:29:10,260 --> 01:29:16,940
all plans of buildings we believe over a century in age are worthy of the character contributing status and should be granted it.

983
01:29:17,640 --> 01:29:22,280
These buildings are over 75 feet in depth at even their narrowest point,

984
01:29:22,580 --> 01:29:30,020
and there's nothing in the MPD associated with this rezoning that would stop the demolition of the vast majority of the building footprint.

985
01:29:30,020 --> 01:29:38,900
It's our view that at least the first 45 feet toward the street front of these buildings should be left off limits to demolition and

986
01:29:38,900 --> 01:29:45,040
Otherwise we're putting ourselves at risk of a facade act to me. Thanks so much

987
01:29:45,040 --> 01:29:47,020
Thank you

988
01:29:49,600 --> 01:29:51,620
Howard and gentlemen, I'm lying is there

989
01:29:54,660 --> 01:29:59,440
Bring these two items back to committee will hold up on the vacation

990
01:30:01,760 --> 01:30:09,380
Yes, thank you Madam Chairwoman. I want to address the concerns raised regarding height.

991
01:30:11,140 --> 01:30:20,020
You know, we've had a lot of discussions about the future of the plaza, the history of the plaza, and where we want to see the plaza to go.

992
01:30:20,020 --> 01:30:29,320
We've had a lot of conversations, there's been a lot of debate at the port authority and other places regarding incentives.

993
01:30:30,620 --> 01:30:39,080
I believe that by ensuring that we have established strong desired guidelines in this master plan development,

994
01:30:40,020 --> 01:30:42,420
that the character of the plaza will be maintained.

995
01:30:42,420 --> 01:30:50,080
Councilman Boone, I traveled to Dallas. We visited Highland Park and saw the great care that

996
01:30:50,080 --> 01:30:55,880
you all have taken care of in that development. And I trust that with these design guidelines

997
01:30:55,880 --> 01:31:00,980
established within this master plan development that that care will continue regardless

998
01:31:00,980 --> 01:31:08,140
of how high the buildings are. Additionally, I believe that the Plaza is one of the most

999
01:31:08,140 --> 01:31:12,660
densely populated places in Kansas City other than downtown.

1000
01:31:13,680 --> 01:31:15,940
I think that it can handle the density.

1001
01:31:16,580 --> 01:31:18,000
I think it will be good for the plaza.

1002
01:31:18,520 --> 01:31:22,180
And I think when we think about the future incentive requests,

1003
01:31:23,160 --> 01:31:25,560
that that brings some of that down to Earth

1004
01:31:25,560 --> 01:31:29,540
provides better pay for our teachers,

1005
01:31:30,180 --> 01:31:33,280
that provides better protections for our libraries

1006
01:31:33,280 --> 01:31:36,100
and protects our tax and jurisdictions and our children.

1007
01:31:36,660 --> 01:31:44,060
And so for those reasons, I support additional height on the plaza, and I want to make that clear.

1008
01:31:48,340 --> 01:31:48,740
Ready for motion?

1009
01:31:49,760 --> 01:31:50,440
That means

1010
01:31:56,580 --> 01:31:58,960
you also have a month, I'm sorry, friend.

1011
01:31:59,700 --> 01:32:09,380
Yeah, I stepped in on a midway through the presentation here, and I was trying to figure out where we are with,

1012
01:32:09,380 --> 01:32:13,440
You know, maybe what the Councilman Doug can just mentioned is the committee's substitute

1013
01:32:16,780 --> 01:32:24,040
envisioning increasing the height, or what exactly are we, because I share some of the

1014
01:32:24,040 --> 01:32:29,740
same thoughts is that, you know, on one hand, we're obviously we're trying to, we're really

1015
01:32:29,740 --> 01:32:38,980
trying to balance historic preservation, place, the preservation of place, architectural character,

1016
01:32:38,980 --> 01:32:48,900
balancing that with the need to increase housing density, increase housing options. We need to build

1017
01:32:48,900 --> 01:32:58,460
more housing period. That's a policy goal of this bodies and perhaps which one, which one

1018
01:32:58,460 --> 01:33:06,420
outweighs. I think that's what this committee is really charged with here. But then the other part

1019
01:33:06,420 --> 01:33:11,040
that as Councilman Duncan mentioned was that you get a higher economy of scale with density

1020
01:33:11,040 --> 01:33:16,260
in so many ways, but particularly in this case, potentially as we've discussed in the past,

1021
01:33:16,900 --> 01:33:24,440
potentially on the overall value of the incentive request and how much can that come down

1022
01:33:24,440 --> 01:33:25,060
with that density?

1023
01:33:25,080 --> 01:33:28,940
I think that's still a question that needs to be answered one that I've asked and would appreciate

1024
01:33:28,940 --> 01:33:34,560
more clarity on, but I think when we're talking about, when we're talking about the balance

1025
01:33:34,560 --> 01:33:39,820
between these two things, I think Council and Duncan is absolutely right that their design

1026
01:33:39,820 --> 01:33:47,960
guidelines in place and already protections on essentially all of the plaza from demolition

1027
01:33:47,960 --> 01:33:51,040
with maybe some exceptions, as was discussed previously.

1028
01:33:52,420 --> 01:33:57,900
In the end, are we preserving, are we preserving buildings, are we preserving a view?

1029
01:33:57,900 --> 01:34:02,040
And I think that when we're talking about preserving of view,

1030
01:34:02,280 --> 01:34:07,480
then my, I'm always going to lean in the direction of adding density

1031
01:34:07,480 --> 01:34:13,080
in this case, adding some height, because those two things,

1032
01:34:13,680 --> 01:34:16,580
it's more efficient delivery of services for the rest of the city,

1033
01:34:17,440 --> 01:34:20,420
including reduction of potentially the incentive request

1034
01:34:20,420 --> 01:34:25,800
to, it adds more housing into the, into the, into the market here.

1035
01:34:25,800 --> 01:34:29,760
And I'm sorry, but we have to rethink what the plaza looks like.

1036
01:34:29,940 --> 01:34:35,280
I know that everyone agrees to that, but when we constantly, and I say all these things,

1037
01:34:35,280 --> 01:34:38,220
this is a former representative of this used to be in the Fort District.

1038
01:34:38,620 --> 01:34:44,360
And so I hope I'm not stepping on toes of this accessory, but we have to diversify the quote

1039
01:34:44,360 --> 01:34:52,960
quote, quote, portfolio of land uses, because we hear all the time about how the plaza retail

1040
01:34:52,960 --> 01:34:58,360
environment. Retail environment curi it is struggling. The way that we address that is by adding

1041
01:34:58,360 --> 01:34:59,960
more rooftops in this case.

1042
01:35:10,600 --> 01:35:29,340
We've got to add more housing to the city, and we've got to diversify the land uses and the building types and the housing types in this district in order for it to continue to thrive. I would argue in order for it to survive. Not just thrive, so I'll just leave it at that.

1043
01:35:29,340 --> 01:35:31,940
May I clarify something about the committee's ad?

1044
01:35:32,580 --> 01:35:34,540
There's submitted plan sheets,

1045
01:35:35,240 --> 01:35:39,580
show the developers requested heights for each block.

1046
01:35:40,720 --> 01:35:43,520
If you and the committee's sub removes the deviation

1047
01:35:43,520 --> 01:35:47,580
about the plausible overlay, if you're going to take those two parcels out,

1048
01:35:48,800 --> 01:35:53,000
if city plan commission recommended lowering heights on two blocks,

1049
01:35:53,280 --> 01:35:55,740
and that is a condition that's still in the committee's sub,

1050
01:35:55,740 --> 01:36:00,920
if you wanted to go with the heights requested by the developer, you would want to remove

1051
01:36:00,920 --> 01:36:04,280
condition 12B from the committee substitute.

1052
01:36:07,300 --> 01:36:09,760
That was the recommendation from CPC.

1053
01:36:21,120 --> 01:36:28,940
I had a chance to see Island Park last year. I think it was, and one of the things that really

1054
01:36:28,940 --> 01:36:34,380
stuck out to me was a, I don't know, six or seven story building. You might remember which building

1055
01:36:34,380 --> 01:36:41,220
I'm talking about, that you used as an example to explain how good design can make sure

1056
01:36:41,220 --> 01:36:48,820
height is not overbearing and all is to mention all that I'm stair stepped up if you are

1057
01:36:48,820 --> 01:36:51,860
standing at the base of the building that did not feel like

1058
01:36:56,340 --> 01:36:57,300
you stepped away.

1059
01:37:00,700 --> 01:37:01,700
In a way that

1060
01:37:01,700 --> 01:37:03,220
did not seem overbearing.

1061
01:37:05,590 --> 01:37:11,090
I guess two part question one is that similar approach you are intent

1062
01:37:11,090 --> 01:37:16,110
with the kind of height filled into these locations on the plaza.

1063
01:37:17,110 --> 01:37:20,050
Yes, so to answer your question there, I think that is a very good example that you

1064
01:37:20,050 --> 01:37:22,650
saw in person of a project we've completed previously.

1065
01:37:23,330 --> 01:37:24,670
These are relates here.

1066
01:37:24,970 --> 01:37:30,210
We firmly believe that the experience within the streets are really the first 30 feet is

1067
01:37:30,210 --> 01:37:30,790
very important.

1068
01:37:31,050 --> 01:37:36,070
And so you'll see within a design guidelines there's a chart that is established a set

1069
01:37:36,070 --> 01:37:41,890
back and step back throughout the plaza for any vertical development, it also creates buffer

1070
01:37:41,890 --> 01:37:47,750
zones around existing vertical towers and coopalas, those type of vertical elements that

1071
01:37:47,750 --> 01:37:52,070
are so important to the plaza today. So we believe that that sets kind of the bare minimum

1072
01:37:52,070 --> 01:37:58,130
standard, so to speak, right, those guardrails, and then also we've created in the design

1073
01:37:58,130 --> 01:38:05,430
guidelines and as part of the MPD, FAR regulations as well that will begin to allow our designers

1074
01:38:05,430 --> 01:38:06,750
some flexibility, right?

1075
01:38:06,770 --> 01:38:11,370
It's not highly prescriptive, but it, again, sets those kind of design parameters around that.

1076
01:38:11,390 --> 01:38:15,150
So we ensure that we create buildings that are, we say, we don't want to building the

1077
01:38:15,150 --> 01:38:20,590
just file out of the sky or file off a piece of paper that's not contextual, and it does not

1078
01:38:20,590 --> 01:38:23,830
interfere or interrupt the experience that exists today.

1079
01:38:24,130 --> 01:38:28,870
So we think that we've crafted through the design guidelines and throughout a lot of work with

1080
01:38:28,870 --> 01:38:36,470
staff and other consultants, those guardrails and guidelines that mold the final design.

1081
01:38:36,910 --> 01:38:41,110
And that was my second question for staff was if that was included in the guidelines sounds like it is.

1082
01:38:41,930 --> 01:38:52,890
Yes, they've added tall building section to the design guidelines and the plan sheets note that the floor area ratio, maximum floor area ratio for this entire area would be six.

1083
01:38:55,640 --> 01:38:57,960
Madam Chair, I offer a motion to you.

1084
01:38:58,000 --> 01:39:02,280
I think the only thing that I would add to this is, although I did serve on the Board of

1085
01:39:02,280 --> 01:39:07,260
Zoning Adjustment for a while, four years, and then the predecessor to the Neighborhood

1086
01:39:07,260 --> 01:39:11,000
Planning Development Committee, I don't pretend to know everything and I have not been

1087
01:39:11,000 --> 01:39:15,240
in all the meetings, so I put a lot of faith first in our city planning commission to be

1088
01:39:15,240 --> 01:39:18,760
planning and development, and then serve the colleagues for the district.

1089
01:39:19,320 --> 01:39:24,380
As we did in 2019, with the passage of a prior ordinance, and as I'll do this time, so

1090
01:39:24,380 --> 01:39:30,120
Make a following motion to advance and do pass recommendation committee steps to afford

1091
01:39:30,120 --> 01:39:38,460
its 20443 with a following additional modifications removal of Section 12B from the staff committee

1092
01:39:38,460 --> 01:39:39,460
steps to do.

1093
01:39:39,520 --> 01:39:41,300
Which actually the mayor's committee steps to do.

1094
01:39:41,600 --> 01:39:46,960
And then I would add a $5,000 appropriation to ensure a communication and notice of changes

1095
01:39:46,960 --> 01:39:48,320
personal and to the ordinance.

1096
01:39:48,840 --> 01:39:49,900
I'd be to committee steps to do.

1097
01:39:51,410 --> 01:39:52,590
It's a move to the second.

1098
01:39:52,850 --> 01:39:58,910
I think committee substitute board and it's number 240 or 260 or 440.

1099
01:39:58,930 --> 01:39:59,210
440.

1100
01:39:59,210 --> 01:39:59,410
440.

1101
01:40:00,000 --> 01:40:06,000
We reported out of committee with a recommendation at the Bansendee Pass. All those in favour please say aye.

1102
01:40:07,100 --> 01:40:18,180
Any opposed? Here's the mission passes. We will now take out the removal, the next ordinance before the.

1103
01:40:20,520 --> 01:40:26,980
For four stations. So four, four, four, oh, we'll do the first one. Yes, that would be.

1104
01:40:26,980 --> 01:40:28,480
It's just my agenda.

1105
01:40:29,560 --> 01:40:30,130
Four, eight, six.

1106
01:40:31,380 --> 01:40:31,400
Yes.

1107
01:40:31,400 --> 01:40:32,100
Didn't he overlead?

1108
01:40:34,040 --> 01:40:35,000
Madam Chair,

1109
01:40:37,870 --> 01:40:40,350
there's no committee substitute to this item.

1110
01:40:42,540 --> 01:40:44,060
And let me just check real quick.

1111
01:40:50,900 --> 01:40:53,860
The pass item two, six, zero, four, eight, six to the full council.

1112
01:40:55,220 --> 01:40:55,520
Seconded.

1113
01:40:55,660 --> 01:40:56,200
Seconded.

1114
01:40:56,420 --> 01:40:56,480
Seconded.

1115
01:40:56,480 --> 01:40:56,560
Seconded.

1116
01:40:56,700 --> 01:40:56,780
Seconded.

1117
01:40:56,840 --> 01:40:57,380
Seconded.

1118
01:41:00,320 --> 01:41:00,860
Seconded.

1119
01:41:05,580 --> 01:41:06,120
Seconded.

1120
01:41:06,120 --> 01:41:10,600
Now, let's go to the Vacation Ordinance.

1121
01:41:13,200 --> 01:41:18,460
I'm sorry, I know you had some questions, you want to.

1122
01:41:18,820 --> 01:41:19,240
I did.

1123
01:41:21,740 --> 01:41:23,340
I don't want to do anything about that.

1124
01:41:24,080 --> 01:41:24,740
It's a good lesson.

1125
01:41:25,160 --> 01:41:28,060
I'll pose the question to, who is in best position to answer,

1126
01:41:28,720 --> 01:41:30,320
is probably an attorney of some sort.

1127
01:41:31,680 --> 01:41:33,300
Anyone of us, maybe legal.

1128
01:41:33,300 --> 01:41:45,200
So my question is about implications for the first amendment and what the vacation would mean.

1129
01:41:45,700 --> 01:41:56,770
I know that there are items that the CPC required in regard to 247 pedestrian access,

1130
01:41:57,070 --> 01:42:03,370
but it doesn't really get at the conduct while accessing the sidewalk, whether it's protesting,

1131
01:42:03,370 --> 01:42:08,950
reporting, standing on the corner, like the folks that preach,

1132
01:42:12,330 --> 01:42:16,710
and so if this is going to

1133
01:42:16,710 --> 01:42:25,950
become private, then those rights are applied in a different way. And I know that

1134
01:42:25,950 --> 01:42:31,530
there is a code of conduct, I know that it has to be listed publicly, but I am concerned

1135
01:42:31,530 --> 01:42:38,850
about taking space that has all the protections of the first amendment and changing that.

1136
01:42:38,850 --> 01:42:43,590
No matter what the intent might be in a code of conduct or what might be spelled out in

1137
01:42:43,590 --> 01:42:49,090
a code of conduct, which I don't know is legally binding sure isn't as high and glad

1138
01:42:49,090 --> 01:42:50,330
as constitutional rights.

1139
01:42:51,350 --> 01:42:58,190
So I guess I mean my question initially is for legal when we vacate sidewalks, how does

1140
01:42:58,190 --> 01:43:04,510
the first amendment apply or not apply moving forward, and then I think my follow

1141
01:43:04,510 --> 01:43:10,350
question will be for you all and how you will exercise whatever changes there are.

1142
01:43:13,570 --> 01:43:16,250
Sir, sir, I'm actually just looking at me, so I'll ask her to back me up here.

1143
01:43:16,570 --> 01:43:21,310
Okay, yeah, I'm happy to take so I mean if it's if it's if it's vacated it's

1144
01:43:21,310 --> 01:43:22,330
private property, right?

1145
01:43:22,330 --> 01:43:26,130
So it's no longer going to be a traditional public forum, like it would be a

1146
01:43:26,130 --> 01:43:34,670
sidewalk. We do have some conditions in the ordinance, one of which includes their code of conduct.

1147
01:43:35,550 --> 01:43:42,050
We also have obviously the provisions about 24-7 access, but there isn't anything that

1148
01:43:42,050 --> 01:43:56,110
addresses protests or whether that would be allowed. I think their code of conduct is not

1149
01:43:56,110 --> 01:44:02,130
that conduct if it became disruptive, is somebody able, yeah, somebody's putting it on the screen.

1150
01:44:02,750 --> 01:44:08,870
That sort of thing. So it is different. It's not, it wouldn't be considered a traditional public form anymore.

1151
01:44:09,190 --> 01:44:10,170
First amendment purposes.

1152
01:44:10,330 --> 01:44:10,650
Correct.

1153
01:44:15,780 --> 01:44:20,280
And what can you tell us about the forceability of the code of conduct?

1154
01:44:22,510 --> 01:44:30,230
Well, I mean, let me put it this way, both their ability to enforce it and our ability to ensure that it is not being

1155
01:44:30,230 --> 01:44:32,890
forced in a discriminatory manner.

1156
01:44:34,010 --> 01:44:40,270
So I would say they would have the ability to enforce this because it would be private property.

1157
01:44:42,270 --> 01:44:50,010
In terms of our ability to, there's a general section in the Eastman which we're still negotiating

1158
01:44:50,590 --> 01:44:58,290
which addresses a breach and so if we believe that they were being, you know, two stringent

1159
01:44:58,290 --> 01:44:59,570
with that we could.

1160
01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:15,560
So, perhaps an injunction to try to resolve that. I mean, the first step would be to give them notice under the easement as they drafted it, but if we were not able to come to a consensus, I think that would ultimately be the remedy for that.

1161
01:45:16,460 --> 01:45:31,220
And as I'm looking through the list here, just about every one of these seems to correlate with something already included in our code that would make any of this activity already prohibited or criminal.

1162
01:45:31,220 --> 01:45:41,800
And so, what is the vacation and this code of conduct give you that you would not already be able to rely on that's in our code that you could call the police what?

1163
01:45:42,680 --> 01:45:47,000
May hazard a brief answer because this came up in Westport.

1164
01:45:47,460 --> 01:45:50,100
Same side, opposite sides of the same coin.

1165
01:45:50,100 --> 01:45:56,880
The second amendment concerns is the one that I would have some sort of issue with and the

1166
01:45:56,880 --> 01:46:02,500
carrying of firearms and others on the property of the remains of our traditional not just only a public

1167
01:46:02,500 --> 01:46:09,680
form of public space, certain abilities to control carrying in certain spaces and to enforce the

1168
01:46:09,680 --> 01:46:13,740
possession of firearms and the types of carry would be rather different.

1169
01:46:13,900 --> 01:46:18,520
They just can as compared to private property owners having something different.

1170
01:46:18,520 --> 01:46:22,460
I think I've raised it once before, and some discussion, that's my primary concern.

1171
01:46:22,860 --> 01:46:28,360
Well, in the way that Westport forces have been most far as through metal detectors and checkpoints.

1172
01:46:28,420 --> 01:46:30,120
And I know there's something in here.

1173
01:46:30,780 --> 01:46:31,920
I know there's something in here that's interesting.

1174
01:46:32,780 --> 01:46:33,660
That's great.

1175
01:46:34,820 --> 01:46:39,300
How do you, otherwise, how do you force,

1176
01:46:40,000 --> 01:46:42,400
you know, second of them in that situation,

1177
01:46:43,320 --> 01:46:45,980
or the possession of a firearm, or it's not allowed,

1178
01:46:46,540 --> 01:46:50,520
I suppose it gives you some power after the fact if someone has a gun or they're not supposed

1179
01:46:50,520 --> 01:46:54,440
to in your prosecution, but not necessarily preventative if you're not doing anything to ensure

1180
01:46:54,440 --> 01:46:55,360
it's being complied with.

1181
01:46:56,160 --> 01:47:01,340
And so I hear you that it would be great to make an area where that probably can prohibition

1182
01:47:01,340 --> 01:47:01,880
exists.

1183
01:47:02,220 --> 01:47:05,980
It doesn't really give you any product of power unless you're doing something to screen people.

1184
01:47:06,720 --> 01:47:10,960
I would argue that if you actually see the weapon, that's does happen in these districts

1185
01:47:10,960 --> 01:47:15,660
and areas you would be able to have the person much like inside any other type of property.

1186
01:47:15,660 --> 01:47:18,640
where you don't have mental detectors up front, right?

1187
01:47:18,980 --> 01:47:22,540
And we have many buildings like that in this city, right?

1188
01:47:22,620 --> 01:47:27,660
You can't ask the person to leave, that establishes your trespass rights as the property owner.

1189
01:47:28,460 --> 01:47:30,140
It certainly gives you more steps.

1190
01:47:30,180 --> 01:47:36,120
And this is the central and essential legislative tool that allows you to do so without it.

1191
01:47:36,120 --> 01:47:38,380
You actually just don't have that right, at all.

1192
01:47:38,660 --> 01:47:44,020
And so you're a cop fairly far beyond the aid volume I opinion, in terms of being able to address

1193
01:47:47,360 --> 01:47:54,020
So is that the basis, is that the reason for the request for the vacation is to...

1194
01:47:54,020 --> 01:47:56,520
I'm having to answer that from our perspective.

1195
01:47:56,780 --> 01:47:58,700
Thank you mayor for your perspective as well.

1196
01:47:59,480 --> 01:48:04,980
So it's really a two part thing here is a relates to sidewalk vacation from our perspective as our

1197
01:48:05,820 --> 01:48:11,160
One is we are highly focused on the experience of someone has an

1198
01:48:11,160 --> 01:48:14,940
approach, and that goes from the visual appearance, from the physical appearance.

1199
01:48:16,460 --> 01:48:20,680
And so, sidewalk vacation cuts out this whose responsibility is to

1200
01:48:20,680 --> 01:48:22,420
maintain the sidewalk and invest.

1201
01:48:22,720 --> 01:48:27,020
As you look at our design guidelines and our plans, we intend to

1202
01:48:27,020 --> 01:48:29,540
heavily reinvest within that sidewalk space.

1203
01:48:29,980 --> 01:48:33,200
And so, having those sidewalks be under our control and authority

1204
01:48:33,200 --> 01:48:39,560
and a long-term position gives us certainty in that level of financial commitment on the reconstruct.

1205
01:48:40,020 --> 01:48:41,200
That's one piece of it.

1206
01:48:41,620 --> 01:48:49,640
Secondly, and you note this, the rules and regulation of the code of conduct does near many existing city codes and ordinances.

1207
01:48:50,040 --> 01:48:56,080
What I find across the country dealing with public space is often times, even though that may be in our ordinance,

1208
01:48:56,800 --> 01:48:59,340
enforcement may not follow that, right?

1209
01:48:59,340 --> 01:49:09,340
That is a low priority often times for law enforcement, and so what I have found and we have found historically is when we have an additional layer in there

1210
01:49:09,340 --> 01:49:27,520
Our private security and or law enforcement, sometimes, are more willing to address infractions that may already be city code and have really have no additional bearing on the code and so that's kind of a two part answer to your question, hopefully sir

1211
01:49:27,520 --> 01:49:31,220
We do have to have control of the sidewalks to invest in them.

1212
01:49:31,900 --> 01:49:35,700
We would prefer to have control of the sidewalks to make long-term capital investments, yes,

1213
01:49:35,700 --> 01:49:36,120
or yes.

1214
01:49:36,380 --> 01:49:41,720
I think we'd prefer it, but we don't actually have to have it if you were wanting to work

1215
01:49:41,720 --> 01:49:44,060
with the city to invest in the sidewalks.

1216
01:49:44,080 --> 01:49:50,940
We would still maintain the asset or liability dependent on how you see it, but you would

1217
01:49:50,940 --> 01:49:56,160
still be able to put those investments in work with the city on the sidewalks and those

1218
01:49:56,160 --> 01:49:56,880
kinds of improvements.

1219
01:49:56,880 --> 01:49:59,520
There's nothing that would prohibit a public private.

1220
01:50:00,430 --> 01:50:03,310
Work in relationship to do so.

1221
01:50:08,240 --> 01:50:20,280
And are your private security not able to address these types of activities if the land is, if the sidewalks are publicly owned?

1222
01:50:21,080 --> 01:50:33,520
I would say what we run into is if we do have an issue of non-compliance, oftentimes law enforcement may say, well that's a public sidewalk they can do whatever they want.

1223
01:50:33,520 --> 01:50:37,840
I run into that across the country, that's not picking on any law enforcement here.

1224
01:50:38,360 --> 01:50:39,900
I deal with that across the country.

1225
01:50:40,640 --> 01:50:44,520
I would hope our folks are a little more aware.

1226
01:50:45,380 --> 01:50:48,540
We've had several go-around this last year and conversations

1227
01:50:48,540 --> 01:50:51,580
about loitering and ordinances we've passed,

1228
01:50:52,760 --> 01:50:54,560
and I would hope that they're in a good position

1229
01:50:54,560 --> 01:50:56,220
to know what activity,

1230
01:50:58,890 --> 01:50:58,910
right?

1231
01:50:58,910 --> 01:51:01,510
Honestly, what you're saying sounds like a cop out and seems more.

1232
01:51:07,820 --> 01:51:09,260
Okay, yeah, I just,

1233
01:51:16,410 --> 01:51:21,650
when you're taking an asset out of the public realm, specifically one that vote,

1234
01:51:37,050 --> 01:51:39,130
and, you know, I'm not talking

1235
01:51:46,300 --> 01:51:47,280
about relations that turn,

1236
01:51:50,290 --> 01:51:56,930
destruct, recent, peaceful protests of folks walking up and down the sidewalk and thinking of the guy that

1237
01:51:58,950 --> 01:52:00,030
I walked past that,

1238
01:52:00,630 --> 01:52:06,330
not really listening to what he's saying, but he's reading something from some religious text, you know, whatever might be.

1239
01:52:09,470 --> 01:52:14,730
To those examples, if I may, to those examples, and I think you go one slide up.

1240
01:52:20,840 --> 01:52:22,280
Yeah, I was going to suggest that.

1241
01:52:22,280 --> 01:52:26,780
Thank you, because we were kind of cut off, and they provide examples.

1242
01:52:28,080 --> 01:52:30,900
Things that aren't allowed that are quite broad, some of them.

1243
01:52:30,940 --> 01:52:33,720
So play, dressing inappropriately.

1244
01:52:34,120 --> 01:52:35,180
That's where it thinks so.

1245
01:52:35,620 --> 01:52:42,980
I do want to highlight, so if I may briefly hear, we think, and I go back to the experience.

1246
01:52:42,980 --> 01:52:48,040
We think great places have that stickiness and kind of have some unexpected nature.

1247
01:52:48,660 --> 01:52:50,780
We want people to be walking through the puzzle.

1248
01:52:51,300 --> 01:52:56,300
We are happy for people to have the ability for their free expression under the first amendment.

1249
01:52:57,160 --> 01:53:08,580
Or I would ask for a change into a hater would be very offensive, aggressive nature of a sign or something that interrupts that or blocking at the sidewalk.

1250
01:53:08,580 --> 01:53:14,140
And I think we can all agree that if you are expressing your first amendment, but preventing

1251
01:53:14,140 --> 01:53:19,260
people from entering a store or something of that nature, that creates an experience

1252
01:53:19,260 --> 01:53:19,760
in a option.

1253
01:53:20,060 --> 01:53:23,840
And so we think that that's very important, but I did want to highlight here, activities

1254
01:53:23,840 --> 01:53:27,060
that we believe would be allowed throughout here.

1255
01:53:27,160 --> 01:53:32,720
And so that's really important, and that also speaks to photography, to videoing.

1256
01:53:32,920 --> 01:53:36,780
Again, what we don't want to see without a permit, I think this actually aligns with the

1257
01:53:36,780 --> 01:53:40,900
that you manage some of your parks here locally, you know, if you're setting up tents and

1258
01:53:40,900 --> 01:53:45,280
bringing in catering trucks and having, you know, a production issue to commercial, we

1259
01:53:45,280 --> 01:53:46,560
ought to be aware of that.

1260
01:53:46,600 --> 01:53:51,020
And I think that's a baseline expectation, or I would hope it is within your city.

1261
01:53:51,100 --> 01:53:56,660
So I did want to kind of highlight, we agree with you, in the fact that people should come

1262
01:53:56,660 --> 01:54:00,340
down to the plaza and express themselves and I think it's a great place to do that.

1263
01:54:00,480 --> 01:54:05,460
And I think that your recent examples of folks walking through the plaza, you know, quite

1264
01:54:05,460 --> 01:54:11,600
frankly, whether the sidewalks are vacated or not, that's not of our control when someone comes down there.

1265
01:54:12,060 --> 01:54:14,880
So hopefully that helps some of your concerns.

1266
01:54:15,020 --> 01:54:15,780
Yeah, I appreciate it.

1267
01:54:15,840 --> 01:54:25,740
I believe you, I think you understand very well what makes a dynamic and interesting requirement.

1268
01:54:28,390 --> 01:54:30,510
I don't doubt how to understand that.

1269
01:54:31,210 --> 01:54:34,750
Once we make that vacation, we lose a lot of authority.

1270
01:54:34,750 --> 01:54:36,050
and I

1271
01:54:38,670 --> 01:54:45,470
am hesitant to make such a permanent decision if the answer is we would just like to

1272
01:54:45,470 --> 01:54:49,750
please department to be more responsive when there is a certain conduct or behavior.

1273
01:54:50,650 --> 01:54:51,070
I understand.

1274
01:54:52,190 --> 01:54:53,430
I have councilman Rogers.

1275
01:54:55,330 --> 01:54:59,950
So I mean, just a couple of obvious comments and points here, so...

1276
01:55:00,000 --> 01:55:06,080
Anybody pulls up, pulls out a barbecue grill, threats, grill on on the sidewalk, you're saying no to that, right? Absolutely.

1277
01:55:07,780 --> 01:55:08,540
Somebody seems to sit.

1278
01:55:11,540 --> 01:55:14,520
And somebody's exercising the first minute ride, so long as it's not being

1279
01:55:14,520 --> 01:55:20,020
violent, you're saying that as it's indicated on this presentation, they're allowed to do that.

1280
01:55:20,340 --> 01:55:27,280
Yes. We've also talked with labor representatives here, as well, to help ensure that they feel comfortable with their right to protest.

1281
01:55:27,280 --> 01:55:34,320
I know you've been talking to organized labor and they're comfortable with their right to protest based on your conversation

1282
01:55:34,320 --> 01:55:37,420
I believe they are yes, and so and I come from the the legislators

1283
01:55:37,420 --> 01:55:41,940
We had a lot of flights about the second moon when I was down there in Missouri's an open curie state

1284
01:55:41,940 --> 01:55:43,680
You walk around the gun all day long

1285
01:55:46,480 --> 01:55:53,080
But if you're in private property and you post a sign saying no firearms, then people have to comply without or they have to leave

1286
01:55:53,080 --> 01:55:56,180
I would anticipate that you would have signed up on the

1287
01:55:56,180 --> 01:55:57,600
Plasas and don't bring your gun.

1288
01:55:58,340 --> 01:56:01,060
We have currently not had that conversation in detail.

1289
01:56:01,700 --> 01:56:04,060
The mayor has brought this up a couple of times,

1290
01:56:04,760 --> 01:56:07,440
but just to be very frank, our internal team is not

1291
01:56:07,440 --> 01:56:10,040
had the discussion related to weapons.

1292
01:56:10,380 --> 01:56:12,500
Is it fair to say that you would discourage people

1293
01:56:12,500 --> 01:56:13,740
walking around guns?

1294
01:56:14,740 --> 01:56:15,300
These were Texas.

1295
01:56:16,340 --> 01:56:17,300
Yeah, you got it careful.

1296
01:56:20,360 --> 01:56:22,280
What I would say to that is,

1297
01:56:22,280 --> 01:56:27,640
We want to make a place that people feel comfortable in and so we get if you are walking around with a long arm

1298
01:56:27,640 --> 01:56:31,720
I don't know your your gun regulations, but if you're walking around with a long gun

1299
01:56:33,140 --> 01:56:35,920
I'm probably gonna ask you what your reason is

1300
01:56:37,500 --> 01:56:43,620
And yeah, I wouldn't try and ask you the trick question. I think I take my kids to the plaza all the time. I think

1301
01:56:45,140 --> 01:56:47,740
I would rather not see guns on the plaza

1302
01:56:47,740 --> 01:56:49,600
So I appreciate what you go on.

1303
01:56:49,700 --> 01:56:51,880
I'm glad that labor is on board with their ability

1304
01:56:51,880 --> 01:56:53,620
to exercise their personal right.

1305
01:56:53,980 --> 01:56:56,060
And I do hope that you continue doing that.

1306
01:56:56,240 --> 01:56:56,900
So thank you.

1307
01:56:56,900 --> 01:56:57,520
Thank you, sir.

1308
01:56:57,700 --> 01:56:59,280
I could just have one more point on that.

1309
01:56:59,280 --> 01:57:01,260
He didn't ask if Mr. Jackson could stand

1310
01:57:01,260 --> 01:57:02,760
on the sidewalk and broadcast.

1311
01:57:03,460 --> 01:57:05,260
He certainly came out of that with this attorney.

1312
01:57:05,560 --> 01:57:06,920
No, I had to go ahead.

1313
01:57:07,620 --> 01:57:07,640
Go ahead.

1314
01:57:07,640 --> 01:57:08,260
What's the correct answer?

1315
01:57:08,260 --> 01:57:08,980
What's the correct answer?

1316
01:57:09,060 --> 01:57:12,240
This is, who's making a determination on whether or not

1317
01:57:12,240 --> 01:57:13,760
a constitutional right exists,

1318
01:57:14,060 --> 01:57:16,000
or you're going to impose a restriction

1319
01:57:16,000 --> 01:57:19,780
And that is consistent with the constitutional right.

1320
01:57:19,780 --> 01:57:21,120
Those are two very different things.

1321
01:57:21,120 --> 01:57:22,960
If you're telling me that right now,

1322
01:57:23,140 --> 01:57:27,800
people speech is protected by someone who is instilled

1323
01:57:27,800 --> 01:57:29,640
with the power by the United States Constitution

1324
01:57:29,640 --> 01:57:32,520
to protect that speech versus someone who's not

1325
01:57:32,520 --> 01:57:35,140
under that requirement, but is saying that,

1326
01:57:35,200 --> 01:57:36,040
yeah, we're going to work really hard

1327
01:57:36,040 --> 01:57:37,660
to make sure free speech is protected.

1328
01:57:37,720 --> 01:57:41,280
Those are two very, very different things in my opinion.

1329
01:57:42,020 --> 01:57:45,800
And I think that's the difference is well-intentioned

1330
01:57:45,800 --> 01:57:49,460
And we're going to let everyone exercise their freedom of speech.

1331
01:57:50,440 --> 01:57:50,780
That's great.

1332
01:57:50,900 --> 01:57:51,480
I appreciate that.

1333
01:57:51,560 --> 01:57:52,400
I believe you.

1334
01:57:52,640 --> 01:57:54,520
But you're not required to do that by the constitution.

1335
01:57:55,940 --> 01:57:58,440
And there are, I think, very importantly,

1336
01:57:58,940 --> 01:58:03,480
go to distinction between how, in infringement on speech

1337
01:58:03,480 --> 01:58:05,600
would be analyzed under those two very different situations.

1338
01:58:05,700 --> 01:58:07,320
One would be legal and bin down legal.

1339
01:58:07,960 --> 01:58:10,980
And so that's all I have to say on that is I think that's an important

1340
01:58:13,600 --> 01:58:13,880
point.

1341
01:58:14,060 --> 01:58:16,940
Madam Chair, may I just make a clarifying point.

1342
01:58:16,940 --> 01:58:20,260
The web, I'm looking at the code of conduct on the website.

1343
01:58:21,500 --> 01:58:23,320
This is not part of that.

1344
01:58:23,580 --> 01:58:25,560
The reason I mentioned that is because the ordinance

1345
01:58:25,560 --> 01:58:28,460
incorporates the code of conduct into the eSman agreement.

1346
01:58:29,320 --> 01:58:30,620
I don't know if somebody wants to show that,

1347
01:58:31,040 --> 01:58:33,680
but it mentions these examples that would be violations

1348
01:58:34,260 --> 01:58:37,520
dressing inappropriately, running horse play,

1349
01:58:37,800 --> 01:58:40,020
things like that, soliciting of any kind.

1350
01:58:40,620 --> 01:58:44,160
So this slide is not part of that.

1351
01:58:44,160 --> 01:58:48,800
So if you're interested in incorporating this into the agreement,

1352
01:58:49,020 --> 01:58:51,080
I think you need to add that to the ordinance.

1353
01:58:52,480 --> 01:58:54,820
I'll just make a motion.

1354
01:58:55,100 --> 01:58:56,820
So I'll just make my one public point.

1355
01:58:57,180 --> 01:58:59,740
I'm scared of my ticketing murdered in this

1356
01:58:59,740 --> 01:59:02,400
got forsaken place with our guns everywhere.

1357
01:59:02,920 --> 01:59:05,060
I mean, we can have a chat on that some other time.

1358
01:59:05,200 --> 01:59:06,380
Probably my biggest fear.

1359
01:59:06,980 --> 01:59:10,680
I appreciate and largely there's nothing.

1360
01:59:11,280 --> 01:59:13,540
And you guys do what you're going to do, like I said.

1361
01:59:13,540 --> 01:59:18,860
But there's almost nothing we can do about that here, other than.

1362
01:59:18,960 --> 01:59:23,280
And it's a big legislative problem, but I don't think I would be elected governor soon.

1363
01:59:23,920 --> 01:59:29,640
So I think allowing private spaces to be able to create, I think as you described it,

1364
01:59:30,320 --> 01:59:36,660
the most comfortable environment possible for families and others to be part of things in the city,

1365
01:59:36,660 --> 01:59:42,340
is a positive, been mayor for seven years now. I've been around way too many public forum,

1366
01:59:42,920 --> 01:59:48,720
massacres, or shootings, and others. And I think that this is a creative way to continue to

1367
01:59:48,720 --> 01:59:55,080
balance the first amendment rights at issue with the very real, I think, other issues that we

1368
01:59:55,080 --> 01:59:59,940
may face. And that's a balance that we should drop legislatively in other parts of the city.

1369
02:00:00,500 --> 02:00:07,560
And frankly, I think it's a novel, a way to approach it. What I may offer is a motion with a recommendation of advance and do pass.

1370
02:00:08,100 --> 02:00:17,500
It'd be a committee set to, in the same way, I did before, that it has a $5,000 appropriation for communications and notice relating to now the vacation issue.

1371
02:00:18,000 --> 02:00:22,900
I realized in a prior motion, I did not include a fund source, which would be the development services fund, by the way.

1372
02:00:26,440 --> 02:00:30,250
Yes, that's the motion.

1373
02:00:31,210 --> 02:00:31,710
It's been mentioned.

1374
02:00:31,990 --> 02:00:32,490
Seconded at that.

1375
02:00:32,550 --> 02:00:32,910
Ordnance.

1376
02:00:33,610 --> 02:00:33,630
Number.

1377
02:00:34,810 --> 02:00:35,370
6445.

1378
02:00:35,790 --> 02:00:36,650
Part of it.

1379
02:00:36,650 --> 02:00:36,870
Committee.

1380
02:00:37,630 --> 02:00:38,750
Thank you.

1381
02:00:39,070 --> 02:00:39,890
We report out.

1382
02:00:40,150 --> 02:00:41,850
Committee with the recommendation of advance into pass.

1383
02:00:41,990 --> 02:00:43,410
Health is in favor of please say aye.

1384
02:00:43,450 --> 02:00:43,910
Aye.

1385
02:00:44,250 --> 02:00:44,870
Any opposed.

1386
02:00:45,290 --> 02:00:45,630
The motion passes.

1387
02:00:46,550 --> 02:00:48,790
I don't know.

1388
02:00:49,070 --> 02:00:50,010
Any opposed?

1389
02:00:50,510 --> 02:00:50,650
No.

1390
02:00:52,090 --> 02:00:52,810
The motion passes.

1391
02:00:53,110 --> 02:00:53,830
Three to one.

1392
02:00:53,830 --> 02:00:56,990
I'm sure if I may just very briefly recall item,

1393
02:00:57,330 --> 02:01:00,790
but at the same reason in some ways that I have before,

1394
02:01:01,490 --> 02:01:05,850
item 260486, I would add the same appropriation

1395
02:01:05,850 --> 02:01:07,410
from the development services fund.

1396
02:01:07,610 --> 02:01:13,050
So I would move for reconsideration, and if I can combine

1397
02:01:13,050 --> 02:01:15,630
them here, the person who gets to review all these motions,

1398
02:01:16,130 --> 02:01:20,290
move for reconsideration, and put in that emotion,

1399
02:01:20,690 --> 02:01:22,630
advance and do pass, a committee substitute

1400
02:01:22,630 --> 02:01:26,190
if it has 5,000 dollar appropriation from the development services fund.

1401
02:01:26,730 --> 02:01:28,690
This is on 260486.

1402
02:01:29,450 --> 02:01:30,210
We've been selling.

1403
02:01:30,850 --> 02:01:31,070
Yes.

1404
02:01:31,870 --> 02:01:32,150
Okay.

1405
02:01:33,190 --> 02:01:36,450
It's been moved in seconded that we're in December 2605.

1406
02:01:36,450 --> 02:01:39,770
Committee substitute for 26040403.

1407
02:01:39,950 --> 02:01:41,350
We reported out of committee with our recommendations.

1408
02:01:41,690 --> 02:01:42,130
486.

1409
02:01:42,290 --> 02:01:44,670
Or maybe I didn't do the other.

1410
02:01:44,790 --> 02:01:45,950
We voted on the other one.

1411
02:01:46,050 --> 02:01:46,770
This would be 486.

1412
02:01:47,710 --> 02:01:48,150
486.

1413
02:01:48,230 --> 02:01:50,990
I'd be a part out of committee with a recommendation of answer to pass.

1414
02:01:51,030 --> 02:01:51,870
On committee substitute.

1415
02:01:51,870 --> 02:01:53,650
I think it may be said, yes.

1416
02:01:54,190 --> 02:01:55,590
All those in favour of this AI?

1417
02:01:56,030 --> 02:01:56,350
Hi.

1418
02:01:56,530 --> 02:01:56,850
Hi.

1419
02:01:56,990 --> 02:01:58,490
May I post a much past?

1420
02:01:58,970 --> 02:01:59,610
Do we get there right now?

1421
02:01:59,630 --> 02:02:00,410
Thank you.

1422
02:02:01,210 --> 02:02:02,170
I'm getting the intense.

1423
02:02:02,370 --> 02:02:02,930
We'll get it done.

1424
02:02:03,750 --> 02:02:04,210
It's good.

1425
02:02:04,450 --> 02:02:05,070
All right.

1426
02:02:12,110 --> 02:02:12,550
Great job.

1427
02:02:13,710 --> 02:02:14,490
I think.

1428
02:02:15,150 --> 02:02:15,570
Bye.