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here in in internet land. Today is the
10th day of September September 2026. It

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is 6 pm. Uh we are going to open with
our public hearing. Uh today uh item

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number one is the public hearing to
discuss the proposed budget for for

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fiscal year October 1, 2026 through
September 30, 2027 and hear public

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comments through local government uh
government code 111.007.

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Item two, citizens to be heard. Do we
have anybody signed up to speak this

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morning?
>> No.

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» This evening
>> hearing none. Uh the public meeting to

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discuss the proposed tax rates. Uh, item
one, discuss discuss K County, Texas

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2026 proposed,
I'm sorry, tax rates. Uh, we're going to

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A discuss the general fund maintenance
and operating tax rate. B, acknowledge

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there is no general fund interest in
syncing tax rate. C, discuss road and

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bridge special maintenance and operating
tax rate. And that is Texas government

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code 551.043.
House Bill 1522 makes me say all of this

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and I will reference it going forward as
House Bill 1522, the taxpayer impact

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statement notice.
House Bill 1522 passed by the Texas

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Legislature in 2025 amends section
551.043

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of the Texas Government Code to require
that the notice of a meeting required to

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be posted under section 551.043A
043A

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of the Texas Open Meetings Act, at which
a government body will discuss or adopt

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a budget for the governmental body must
include a taxpayer impact statement

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showing for the median valued homestead
property, a comparison of the property

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tax bill in dollars pertaining to the
property for the current fiscal year to

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to an estimate of the property tax bill
in dollars for the same property for the

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upcoming fiscal year. Kins County has
proposed a budget for the 2026-2027

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fiscal year. Kins County intends to
adopt its budget on September 10th,

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2026.
2025

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uh value of medium median valued
homestead property in K County is

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$53,446.

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2025 property tax bill for the current
fiscal year uh.241058

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and that is $128.84.

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2026 value of medium median valued
homestead property in K County is

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$111,331.

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Estimated 2026 property tax bill for the
upcoming fiscal year if K County adopts

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the proposed budget and tax rate
310890

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per 100 of value for 346.12.

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Estimated 2026 property tax bill for the
upcoming fiscal year if Kins County

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adopts a balanced budget at the no new
revenue tax rate is 310890

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per 100 of value which is $346.12.

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The estimates in this impact statement
are valid only for the proposed budget

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and proposed tax rate that the governing
body of KS County will discuss at its

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meeting on September 10th, 2026.
The proposed budget and the proposed tax

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rate may each be amended by the
governing body of KS County before their

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final adoption.
uh reading this. Whenever we get to that

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um that spot again, I'm going to
reference that as uh House Bill 1522 for

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the public here and the public listening
so y'all don't have to hear me read all

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those things again. Okay, we're here for
our special meeting now. Again, welcome.

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We do have a quorum present. Uh we're
going to stand for a prayer real real

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quick. One of my favorites. And uh we'll
do a pledge. and citizens. Again, Lord,

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we pray for the wisdom to apply your
teachings to our daily lives. Help us to

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discern your will in every situation and
to make choices that honor you and bless

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others. Grant us the strength to resist
temptation and the courage to stand firm

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in our convictions. May our lives be a
reflection of your wisdom and your

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grace, Lord. And we ask this in your
name. Amen.

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» Amen. I pledge allegiance to the flag of
the United States of America and to the

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republic for which it stands. One nation
under God, indivisible, with liberty and

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justice for all.
>> All right, Jamie. Anybody signed up to

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speak?
>> No.

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» Item number six, discuss, approve,
disapprove, setting base salaries for

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the elected officials for fiscal year
2026-2027.

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Uh, starting with myself, the county
judge, Wade Hedkkey, $80,000. County

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clerk, $74,000. The district clerk,
$74,000.

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Justice of the Peace Precinct One,
$60,000. Justice of the Peace Precinct

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2, $60,000. Justice of the Peace
Precinct 3, $60,000.

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Justice of the Peace Precinct 4,
$60,000. County Attorney, $77,000.

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County Treasurer, $74,000.
Tax Assessor Collector $74,000.

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Constable one, $55,000. Constable
precinct 2, $55,000. Constable precinct

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3, $55,000.
Constable precinct 4, $55,000.

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Sheriff, $90,000.
Commissioner Precinct 1, $74,000.

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Commissioner Precinct 2, $74,000.
Commissioner Precinct 3, $74,000. and

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commissioner precinct for $74,000. I am
referencing again Texas Government Code

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551.043,
House Bill 1522, our taxpayer impact

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statement to reflect that on item number
six for elected official salaries. The

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20 I'm not going to read all that again.
That's again this is the uh median

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median valued homestead properties the
tax bill for current fiscal year all the

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things that I talked about earlier on
earlier earlier earlier on house bill uh

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1522
item number seven discuss approve

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disapprove adoption of the fiscal year
2026 that's

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» judge
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» we're gonna discuss
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» approve disapprove um y it came to my um
attention that the uh juvenile

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supplement wasn't it was published in
the paper to on your salary and my

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salary which um
>> but that does not reflect your base

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salary for your elected official. It is
a supplement.

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» Okay. So okay I didn't know how that was
going to

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» because it doesn't it doesn't list my
juvenile and it does not list my state

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supplement. This is the elected
official.

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» Those aren't it's not a state Mine's not
a state supplement.

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» You're right. Yours is not.
>> Yours is your yours is state supplement.

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» Mine is state. Yes.
>> Okay. Mine is is not. the county would

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pay for it. So, um I would request that
an oral amend motion or amendment be

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made to include the the additional
$5,700.

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» Okay.
>> Uh is that legal without posting in the

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paper?
>> We we spoke about it in open court and

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it was record should have been recorded
in the minutes uh from the last meeting.

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» It it was and it was posted in the
newspaper with the correct amounts in

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there.
>> Okay. Oral amendment.

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uh need to needs to be made in the
motion on item number six.

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» I'll make the motion to approve item
number six as presented with an oral

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amendment from on H County Attorney
77,000 to do the juvenile supplement an

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additional 5,700.
>> I second it.

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» Okay. Motion and a second. All those in
favor item number six with the oral

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amendment right hand. Anybody opposed?
None.

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Okay. Now we can move to item number
seven. discuss, approve, disapprove the

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adoption of the fiscal year 2026-2027
budget for KS County, Texas, local

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government code 111.008.
Uh myself is the author and uh Tom is

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also on there for me and I will quote
again for the public here in in internet

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land uh Texas government code 551.043,
House Bill 1522, our taxpayer impact

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statement notice. Commissioner
Beatatric.

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» Thank you, Judge. I had asked the judge
if when we could go through this

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together again, that way we would uh
make sure that anything I saw, I wanted

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to make sure I brought up and we were
all on the same page. Anything that is

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different from what was published on the
county website. Uh I went through this

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page by page and I just wanted to at
least read them out and if the court

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would like to discuss them, great. If
not, I just want to be transparent with

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the public on what has changed from what
was published online to what is now

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before us. In the county clerks
department 403, we had init published we

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showed five deputy clerks at
$216,816.34.

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That has been changed to four hourly
clerks at $187,816.34.

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A part-time deputy clerk was added at
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Then
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» Yep.

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» For the county clerk's bond, we had
budgeted $87.50.

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That increased to $31063
because the bond actually increased and

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we had to increase that amount.

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In the veteran service office, we had
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for health insurance.
>> What number is that?

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» That is in department 405. I am on page
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» 405
>> is 100 4052020 is where I'm at now.

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» Okay.
>> The VSO is not going to utilize the

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county's health insurance. uh he gets it
um through the federal government,

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but I wonder court if we should still
budget that amount in case our VSO were

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to leave us and someone else were to
take it and was not on that

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wanted to discuss that as a group. How
do y'all feel?

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Leave it out because we know he's not
going to use it or add it back in case

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we ever had to replace that? We we could
always uh if if our VSO uh left for some

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reason um we could we had to draw out of
the contingency and and whatever you

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know salary there would be some salary
differential because of the the timeline

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that our current BSO has been here. Uh I
think that we could probably swing it.

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Uh there's options but for transparency
I'd like to I'd like to leave it out.

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I don't want somebody to come in and
say, "Hey, you know, well, I've got this

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money. It was we budgeted uh wrong
knowing that it was wrong." Um, I can

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just pull from that. You know what I'm
saying?

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» Yes, sir.
>> Well, I like our VSO, so he better not

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think about going anywhere.
>> Before you move on, though, um, when you

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were talking about my part-time clerk,
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» my part-time clerk will be working 29
hours. Is that correct? that seller

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» 29 hours.
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» we had 20,000 hours.
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» So at 29 hours, uh they will u qualify
for benefits

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at the 29 hours.
>> So I need So how so I need to have part

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time.
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» 20 hours.

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» Can you make you can make that work?
>> Make it work.

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» Yeah.
>> So 20,000 number.

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» So that's why I'm asking. So is that so
with the 20 hours is the salary

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» 20,000?
>> The salary will be the 20,000 and they

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won't qualify.
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» Yeah,
>> we're good.

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Yes.

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» Without
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» So, so if I want my part time to work
the 29 hours won't get won't get benefit

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or he so the $20,000 reflected as a
salary is not correct.

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» That would not be correct. And for the
up to 29 hours.

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» So I had when I had discussed it with
about the $29.

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So what can I do now?
>> Can make that that change

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» if the court see it to
>> that would be 29,000 instead of 20,000.

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» I'm fine with that.
>> I am too.

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» Thank you.
>> 25,000

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29
>> and the salary would be 29,000.

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» 29

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Thank you, Ela.

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» And just so so folks know, uh here, and
if anybody's watching, I'm sure folks

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are watching. Uh I know some that are.
Um these

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uh changes that Commissioner Beatatric
is is going over. Uh,

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one, I want to thank him so much um for
going over line by line uh the budget

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over the last week. Uh, and these are
just some things that he identified that

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were typos. Um, things that left out.
It's it's a lot. Y'all hear me say this

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whenever Tom and Jose and his office are
entering these numbers. I can't imagine

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how tired your eyes get and numbers get
transposed. Uh so I am thankful for the

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third set of eyes. Michelle and I uh
spend tons of time Michelle more time

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than me um going line by line and I
appreciate you commissioner Beatatric

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for for doing that. So proceed

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court under the
treasures county treasurer we had dues.

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It's 104974810.

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In our previous workshop, we thought it
was a typo at $1,775.

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We reduced it to 175 for the proposed
budget, but I have been told that that

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due actually needed to be the 1775. So,
it's been changed back to that.

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» What page you on?
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Do do you mind reading acceptation
numbers out loud every time just so I

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better
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» I didn't feel it was necessary to read
out every time like um it would change

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FICA and Medicaid unless I thought it
was a a major issue

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on page 16 of 61
we have electrical air conditioning

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repairs
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we had put in the proposed budget 44,000
that's been reduced to 40,000 I think it

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was a typo previously or something I
don't remember

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» so it needs to be at 40,000 and that's
what it is now

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on page 17 of 61 in emergency medical
service. We have in our ES EMS captains

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1541080.
In our budget that was proposed budget,

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it was $371,73644.

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It is now at $383,469.

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I think that's just to adjust for
pay.

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So there's an error, but it's been
corrected now. And that affected

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Medicaid and the health insurance and
retirement for that entire

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department.

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On page 18 of 61, I had dues and
subscriptions 100404810.

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We had previously agreed on $19,500.
That's been increased to $19,700.

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Just all of the dues and subscriptions
apparently are getting more expensive on

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us.

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On page 21 of 61
under office expenses for constable 4,

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it was 1005543,100.
We had $70 in there. That was a typo. It

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has been corrected to $1,500 to match
the rest of the constable's offices.

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On 22 of 61, we have

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156199
for the assistant dispatch

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administrator. We had put in our
proposed budget $50,000. It has been

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increased to $61,689.71.

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I believe that the understanding I have
was we had a later planning to have a

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lateral move and the person is going to
keep their longevity pay and so we have

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to budget that higher number of the of
the step program. Okay.

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that online

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on page 24.
Office furniture had no budget

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under the

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I think this is the sheriff's office
still

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sheriff's department and $15,300
has been added back added into the

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budget for office furniture for the
sheriff's office. I assume that was a

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clerical error. We just failed to get
that in there.

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» Yes, ma'am.
>> It just didn't make it into our proposed

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In this morning's court, this isn't on
any page number, but we decided we were

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going to add a
$500 for health inspector. What did we

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call it, Tom? What was the line item
going to be called?

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» Uh,
fees.

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» Inspection fees. That's not in the
proposed budget, but it will be added to

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» it. Will be after court action today. We
just need to add this.

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» Yes.

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On page 29 under the IT department, we
had proposed $50,000 for telephone. That

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is increased to $52,800.

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On page 30,

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our webpage domain was proposed at
$10,000.

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It has increased to $18,950.

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Our subscription licenses were proposed
at $72,000. That has increased to

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$74,400.

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Jimmy just told me that subscriptions
and everything are getting more

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expensive. So,

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» we're adding more phones and so it's
costing more for the telephones.

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On page 34, we had contract election
revenues

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and excuse me, I'm going to go to
election day workers. We had budgeted

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$66,500.
That has been reduced to $60,000.

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Is that accurate? We need to reduce that
number or do we need to go back to 665?

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on page 34

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» so it needs to go back to the 665 that's
142 638 1022

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Yes. Yes.

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When we get to pre-trial diversion funds
in on page 35,

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a lot of our assistant county attorney
legal clerk was taken out of there. Uh

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FICO, Medicaid was missing, life
insurance was missing. Has that been

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resolved and added back now or
>> Right. So what that is is county

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attorney has a two positions at a grant
position,

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» right?
>> That Senate bill 22 can only fund X

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dollars and this the remainder of it
which allowable to and like the health

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insurance we charge the county
attorney's office and then whatever the

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residuals are got charged back to the
pre-trial because they're on a step

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program. So that's what you stepped.
>> So when what was published in our

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proposed under 690
>> right

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» six
>> 606 it was under 606 which was county

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forfeite fund you can't pay salaries out
of forfeite fund

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» okay but we had fica medicaid at this at
27841 and life insurance at 1180 I'm not

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seeing it here in section
>> I think in the original budget the

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amounts were incorrect because we didn't
realize about the step program.

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» Okay.

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Then also
144,645

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3352 programs had $0 budgeted in the
proposed budget and has been increased

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to $16,500.

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» This is a total of all these 16,500.
>> That's correct. We we we crunched we it

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it's a it's a weird breakdown but that
165 is the correct number.

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» Okay.
>> Thank you. Right.

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Page 37 starts with our special projects
and emergency management coordinator. In

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the proposed budget, it was all listed
together. It's been separated out now

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and

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is essentially doubled some of our
expenses such as office expenses,

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operational supplies, and fuel.

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Uh I feel two ways about it. Um there's
two vehicles there and in a previous

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proposed budget, we had proposed $2,000
for fuel for both of them. and

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combined now it's $5,000 worth of fuel.
Um

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office expenses we had originally
budgeted together $2,500 and we're now

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up to $4,500
in a shared office.

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» I would please

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When the worksheet came for those two
departments together, there were

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actually two sets of numbers. I didn't I
didn't understand that they were

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supposed to be combined. So, I took the
highest number of the two numbers and

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that's what we budgeted. So then when we
started talking about separating those

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two and creating its own department, I
had to go back to the original numbers

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from the judge's office and figure out
what those were. So that was my mistake.

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I asked you that that was supposed to be
combined.

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» Yeah, that we should have one set of
money.

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» It was going to be
a

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» I didn't.
>> So essentially it was a typo because

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Yeah,
the auditor assistant name

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instead of combining that was
>> okay. So just if anyone's looking

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through the proposed budget versus what
we have in front of us, it was just

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there's several changes in this
department based upon a miscommunication

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and typo and it has been corrected.
Okay.

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I just want people to know these things
if they look at it and say that's not

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what y'all originally voted on. I want
people to understand

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why it's different. Folks

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Commissioner mentioned on the 175
>> maybe the contingency we should rename

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it to
>> emergency response or something

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like
>> unless you want to leave it like it is.

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» I'm I'm fine I'm fine doing that either
way. I mean, that's that's monies that

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you never really want to use because if
you're using those monies, it means

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something something significant has
happened. Uh, you know, Shel Shelby

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always kept uh
>> Yes.

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» 200,000 or $250,000 in there and, you
know,

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» very rarely do we touch it. But, you
know, if if you have a if you have a

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flood or if you have a tornado or if you
have a bad fire and you know, you you've

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got you've got to rally troops, uh, that
that's what those monies are for. So

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that's
GO line item. It's 1756355724

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on page 38.
It was in our proposed budget at

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$66,948.32

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that has been increased to $240,000.
And the and the reasoning behind that is

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whenever

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» I think it's the uh humidifier
>> humidifier.

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» Um I think it's just turning off because
it's probably full. Tom Tom's doing that

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because it's it's the end of the year
and then it's he's just he's making the

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book balance for end of year.
>> Now we absorb the new department before

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we have that extra money every year.
>> Right.

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Sir, I would like to
when I asked about this, it's currently

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named contingency. I have concerns. I
don't want people to think that money

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can just be spent if it I didn't have
enough in this one, so I'm going to use

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it out of this contingency. If this fund
is for an emergency response, I'd like

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to rename it from contingency to
emergency response. And and then how do

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we
govern that, sir? is that the department

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can spend it at any time he feels is
necessary. Is that something has to go

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through your office?
>> I think I think it needs to come before

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the court.
>> Before the court. Yeah.

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» Well,
>> you know, it it

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» obviously in an emergency uh you know,
you're not you're not going to want to

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call an emergency meeting. Hey, you
know, this road washed out and we've got

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a you know, we've got rescue. You know,
something something like that. you're

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just you're going to save lives. Um
you're not going to call a special

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meeting. Hey, should we uh should we
save this person's life? Should we try

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to, you know, save their property? Yeah.
You we're going to move and and and

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we're going to make those things happen.
But uh yeah, I I don't have a problem,

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Commissioner, if you want to rename it
to to that um

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or look at it look at it next year doing
it that way. Uh, you know, and I I don't

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care.
>> No.

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» Court, how do y'all feel about renaming
this from contingency to emergency

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response?
I would like to do that so it's clear

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what it's intended uses for.

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» I'm fine with it. Yes.
>> Yeah, I'm fine with that.

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» Me, too.

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On page 41
under Rodenbridge, we had

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our service manager
hourly was originally budgeted at

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$55,125.
That's been reduced back down to 52,500

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because that position is currently
vacant and it will have to be refilled

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at the starting pay. What page
>> that is page 44 unless I have a

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different print out than you. I'm not
sure.

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» It's RHDM bridge that is 200 280 1063
>> page numbers change whenever you go from

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those two
to follow that.

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» Yes sir.
And then in the same department

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under equipment operator hourly
2006801065

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we had budgeted or proposed a budget of
$12,778.84

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that's been increased to $18,774.76

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is because um was it a lateral move I
believe. No, it was we just had the

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wrong number. They were vacant.
>> Well, we're increasing it by $6,000.

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» I I remember an email
>> that said.

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» Okay.

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I thank the court for listening to my uh
request and going through that with me.

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Those are all those that I found that I
wanted to bring up.

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» Thank you again, Commissioner.
>> Thank you, Commissioner.

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» Thank you.
>> Yeah. Thank you, indeed.

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Judge.
>> Yes, sir.

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» Uh, we can speak about anything, right?
About about the budget.

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» Budget. Yeah.
>> Okay. Great. Okay. Just making sure I

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know about Just making sure.

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Gentlemen, um, audience, people that are
here,

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on the last one, we talked about, we
talked about moving the

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the 911, the permitting the special
projects to be moved to EMC, the

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emergency management coordinator.
>> Not it's not moving it. It's that that

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department is is not combining. Yes,
it's moving, not combining with

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» not combining. Okay. But moving it out
of like Roden Bridge,

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» yes,
>> I don't have a I don't have a problem

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with that. Now, it was brought to my
attention that there may be a statue

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that makes it uh to where it has to stay
with Roden Bridge. I looked it up with

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TAC and no, there's no uh statute that
delegates it to Roden Bridge. There's no

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AG opinion. There's no guidance of any
kind. It's subject to an interpretation.

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So, with that with that being said, I
did do my due diligence on looking all

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that up, but there is there is a

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they say there's a road and bridge
administrator, I mean a engineer that

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the driveway permits, the waterline
permitting and all that.

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It should stay under road and bridge,
that's where it should stay. But there's

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no statute saying that. So, it does not
have to stay under there. So, I'm just

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voicing my opinion on this because there
is no statue on that and I made sure

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that there wasn't one on there before I
came up here and I talked about

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anything. So, my opinion is to go ahead
and uh move it out of Road and Bridge uh

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take care of it. Now, at one time Roaden
Bridge did put in u an employee into

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this and it made it work very well, but
we can't pull an employee out of this

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now because Lupy would be the one and we
can't do that because it works well. And

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I've had meetings with Jim already and
uh if Jim one day cuz every all of us

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retire eventually he gets out Lupy's the
next one in line and she's very bright

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at this. She's still taking schooling
licenses and everything. So she has to

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she has to stay there. So she has to
stay at that at that department. I agree

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with that 100%.
But at one time that was um an employee

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of road of road and bridge department.
So what I would what I would like to see

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done is it moved out of road and bridge
the 911 permitting special projects it

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be moved out of there not combined with
EMC but moved out the driveway permits

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and the waterline permitting to stay
with road and bridge but what I would

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like to see is adding on the employee
that they lost when all this was done

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which would be one at uh the pay would
be 40,000 of course that's the starting

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pay and basically basically a
secretarial position to help out at road

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and bridge and to take care of the
driveway permits and waterline

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permitting and they have a big load
there. I go by there quite a bit and

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they do have a big load there and the
lady the young lady that's there taking

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care of it right now. She does a
fabulous job. She's hasn't failed me yet

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but eventually you know it there is a
lot of there's a lot of work there. So

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only my opinion again this is some re
research and homework that I did. I

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would like to see them not lose that uh
employee that they put into over here,

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but we can't yank loopy out of there
anymore. Um to be put in at 40,000 plus

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all the fringe would be 575 57,5708.

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Last fiscal year, the total collected by
driveway permits and waterline

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permitting was 174,650.
That was the fiscal year of 224 225.

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this fiscal year 220 225 to 226 year to
date they've collected 100 135,000 so I

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know we can't judge it as well we make
this amount of money so we pay for it

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there we're not supposed to do it that
way but just to go ahead and be

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transparent there is there the the funds
are there to put in this employee back

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with road and bridge and give them uh an
employee that can be there at 40

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starting off at 40,000 to take care of
all the driveway uh permits the

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00:38:06,079 --> 00:38:12,880
waterline permitting and to assist the
person that we have there in just

428
00:38:10,079 --> 00:38:18,000
general work. I did sit and talk with
Jim and Jim did say that they were more

429
00:38:15,599 --> 00:38:22,960
than happy to assist whatever person it
is, male or female

430
00:38:20,720 --> 00:38:25,760
uh to get them started up to train them.
They would take the time to train them

431
00:38:24,400 --> 00:38:29,680
whatever they had to do to change it
out. I guess I don't know a lot about

432
00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:33,119
computers. I'm not a computer guru but
whatever else would be done in that

433
00:38:31,040 --> 00:38:36,079
technical side of it they would assist
in doing that to change it over to road

434
00:38:34,720 --> 00:38:41,839
and bridge and they would assist the
person learning all to learn all of this

435
00:38:39,119 --> 00:38:45,520
before they were let go this is again
this is only my opinion folks and I'm

436
00:38:43,839 --> 00:38:50,079
sorry that I didn't speak with you know
I think I mentioned it to commissioner 2

437
00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:53,520
cuz he came by to visit me a couple of
times but I didn't speak to anybody else

438
00:38:51,839 --> 00:38:57,200
about it I'm throwing it out there this
is what I believe

439
00:38:55,040 --> 00:39:01,440
» that's essentially Lupy's job she's
going to continue to do that job. Why

440
00:38:58,640 --> 00:39:06,240
would you why would you tax the the the
public with a a whole another position

441
00:39:04,320 --> 00:39:11,040
and then what's Lupy going to do? What's
Jim I mean that's that's your job.

442
00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:16,960
» I tal I'm sorry judge I talked to Jim
about it and I told Jim Jim what is the

443
00:39:14,160 --> 00:39:21,040
percentage that that Lupy does on road
and bridge or that y'all do for road and

444
00:39:18,560 --> 00:39:25,119
bridge in that office? And I said
compared to everything that you do in

445
00:39:22,480 --> 00:39:28,480
the county he said 10%. I said, "So if
that would be if that would be taken out

446
00:39:26,960 --> 00:39:31,839
of there, you're losing 10% of the
work." I said, "Y'all wouldn't just sit

447
00:39:30,240 --> 00:39:34,640
there idle and do anything." He laughed.
He said, "No." He goes, "No." He goes,

448
00:39:33,280 --> 00:39:38,880
"And we would find something else to
do." I said, "So if that's t if the

449
00:39:37,040 --> 00:39:42,079
driveway permits and waterline permit is
taken out of there," he said, "that

450
00:39:40,240 --> 00:39:44,400
would only be 10% taken out of what we
do."

451
00:39:42,560 --> 00:39:50,079
» So you're going to create a position and
do a job that is that's 10% of a current

452
00:39:47,599 --> 00:39:54,320
position. It doesn't make any sense.
>> No. No. I'm sorry, judge. No, that's why

453
00:39:52,400 --> 00:39:58,000
I began when I began saying it, I said
that the lady that the person that we

454
00:39:56,160 --> 00:40:01,520
have right now that's doing the job in
Road and Bridge has a lot of work there.

455
00:39:59,839 --> 00:40:06,240
It has never failed me on anything that
I've asked and everything. But I've seen

456
00:40:04,079 --> 00:40:10,320
there I don't work. I'm only one vote up
here. So I've seen that I believe that

457
00:40:08,400 --> 00:40:14,160
they may need assistance there. If they
don't, if our engineer says that they

458
00:40:12,640 --> 00:40:17,599
don't need assistance there, they don't.
That was just me as a county

459
00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:23,520
commissioner throwing that out there.
But no, I would not put somebody to do

460
00:40:19,599 --> 00:40:28,000
10% of their and so no, it's not it's
only 10% by Jim's word out of there. And

461
00:40:26,560 --> 00:40:32,800
I'm not I don't want to put a make a
position of $40,000 to take care of 10%

462
00:40:30,720 --> 00:40:36,720
of the work. It's to assist Road and
Bridge to take care of whatever needs

463
00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:39,760
they have. But if y'all believe that it
doesn't need it, I'm only one vote. I'm

464
00:40:38,720 --> 00:40:44,720
fine with that.
>> You're you're just asking for Roaden

465
00:40:41,520 --> 00:40:49,520
Bridge to get another secretary,
>> another assistant. Yes. at a $40,000 to

466
00:40:47,920 --> 00:40:52,720
help them with the driveway permit. And
you're you're right, they don't have to

467
00:40:50,960 --> 00:40:56,319
keep it there. It doesn't have to be
moved because there's not a statute.

468
00:40:54,480 --> 00:40:59,680
That's why I did all that research on
there is not a statute. So, it does not

469
00:40:57,920 --> 00:41:02,480
have to be moved. This is just something
I'm throwing out there.

470
00:41:00,560 --> 00:41:07,200
» Yeah. If it's just 10% of Loopy's job,
and Jim told me the same thing. It's 10%

471
00:41:04,319 --> 00:41:10,319
when it's busy, maybe 30%. Why would you
why would you create a whole another

472
00:41:08,720 --> 00:41:14,800
position whenever Lupy and Jim can
already do it at a very minimal impact

473
00:41:13,200 --> 00:41:20,079
of the job that they're doing with
everything else? It it doesn't make it

474
00:41:17,520 --> 00:41:26,640
doesn't make taxpayer monetary sense.
>> Yes, sir. Judge,

475
00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:32,640
» it makes sense to me that uh
the road and the water transfer stuff

476
00:41:29,599 --> 00:41:38,319
should stay with Roen Bridge
and the driveways. Not only is they

477
00:41:35,280 --> 00:41:42,680
doing the permit work, there's the
inspection work that needs to be done.

478
00:41:43,040 --> 00:41:50,720
» That gym is our 911 inspection that will
continue to do.

479
00:41:48,160 --> 00:41:53,599
» Is he able to do it all?
>> We've been doing it.

480
00:41:51,839 --> 00:41:55,760
» I mean, but there's a lot of work to be
done.

481
00:41:54,079 --> 00:42:01,440
» He's been doing it for almost eight
years.

482
00:41:58,319 --> 00:42:06,240
» How does that impact Road and Bridge? I
mean, I would like to hear what Wayne

483
00:42:04,319 --> 00:42:10,640
has to say about how that's going to
impact

484
00:42:07,359 --> 00:42:16,079
» guys. Y'all y'all are men, y'all y'all
are I I can I can quote you the the I I

485
00:42:13,920 --> 00:42:21,920
can pull the code up. It's your
decision. It it's your decision. It's

486
00:42:18,640 --> 00:42:27,359
that the the position is there. It's not
changing anything. Jim and Ly both said,

487
00:42:24,480 --> 00:42:29,839
"Hey, we're we we want to continue to do
the work."

488
00:42:28,720 --> 00:42:38,839
» You're correct. They did say,
>> "Yeah, that's they it why tax

489
00:42:34,480 --> 00:42:38,839
another employee

490
00:42:38,960 --> 00:42:48,640
to to the taxpayers to do a job that's
already being done. It It makes zero

491
00:42:45,440 --> 00:42:52,240
zero taxpayer dollar sense to me. It
makes zero sense to me in all sudge. I'm

492
00:42:51,440 --> 00:42:55,240
just trying to find out some
information.

493
00:42:57,359 --> 00:43:02,359
Can I hear from you and see how it's
going to impact you?

494
00:43:02,800 --> 00:43:11,359
» Let me just add to my two cents. I asked
for a full-time position that I could

495
00:43:07,920 --> 00:43:15,839
fully justify and we're going to add a
new position full-time for a job that's

496
00:43:13,839 --> 00:43:17,839
already being done. That does not make
any sense.

497
00:43:16,319 --> 00:43:21,359
» Well, no one's adding anything. I'm
hearing I'm hearing opinion,

498
00:43:19,280 --> 00:43:24,240
» but it's being taken into consideration.
>> Yeah, it is because it was it was

499
00:43:22,720 --> 00:43:29,119
proposed. I'm just hearing how it's
going to affect his department.

500
00:43:27,440 --> 00:43:33,040
» Okay.
As I said the last time, this was never

501
00:43:30,960 --> 00:43:38,160
discussed
>> uh with our group with me.

502
00:43:36,240 --> 00:43:42,640
» I think just how's it going?
>> And the way this the way this is going

503
00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:49,760
to affect this is we have direct
streamline coordination when we need it

504
00:43:46,880 --> 00:43:55,040
to affect the changes we need to in the
roadway right away.

505
00:43:52,000 --> 00:44:00,240
I mean, we've we've managed the permit,
the uh the permitted water lines, the

506
00:43:57,599 --> 00:44:03,040
driveways. We interact with Jim all the
time, give him the support that he

507
00:44:01,599 --> 00:44:06,800
needs. We go out there and give our
expertise

508
00:44:04,720 --> 00:44:13,760
by making this change, which is
absolutely makes no sense in my opinion.

509
00:44:09,920 --> 00:44:17,839
Uh uh and there's no reason for it. It's
working well. But by making this change

510
00:44:15,760 --> 00:44:21,680
now, you're putting a barrier to us
going out and doing the inspections of

511
00:44:19,760 --> 00:44:25,680
our driveways and managing the rightway.
You can shake your head if you want to,

512
00:44:22,880 --> 00:44:32,319
judge, but that's the facts and the the
the facts of the matter is is that we

513
00:44:29,520 --> 00:44:37,200
need to manage that right away and it
affects our maintenance. th those

514
00:44:34,880 --> 00:44:41,280
decisions that occur
uh affect you know that that occur can

515
00:44:40,079 --> 00:44:45,520
affect the maintenance of them and can
affect them very quickly and that's we

516
00:44:43,040 --> 00:44:50,640
need to keep that with us. So to do that
what we'll do is we'll actually enhance

517
00:44:47,440 --> 00:44:55,359
the the management of that uh but we
will need somebody to go ahead and help

518
00:44:52,319 --> 00:44:59,440
keep up with the paperwork
and uh that that goes along with it.

519
00:44:57,760 --> 00:45:03,440
make sure we do the coordination and
then we'll have inspectors that are

520
00:45:01,359 --> 00:45:08,240
actually going out in the field much
more frequently managing those water

521
00:45:05,280 --> 00:45:13,520
lines. So yes, we do need the person and
I do recommend that we go ahead and keep

522
00:45:10,079 --> 00:45:17,839
the the uh the functionality of the
driveways and the waterline permitting

523
00:45:15,200 --> 00:45:22,000
with road and bridge.
>> Question commissioner.

524
00:45:18,480 --> 00:45:28,880
» So currently we're trying to just
make a new department special projects.

525
00:45:25,359 --> 00:45:35,200
That's what commissioner uh Rosales is
is suggest is is suggesting a whole new

526
00:45:31,599 --> 00:45:39,440
position to do what we're already doing
that we already have a position for.

527
00:45:37,280 --> 00:45:43,040
» Well, no. Okay. So, what's what special
projects now? I mean, isn't it a part of

528
00:45:41,839 --> 00:45:49,839
Roden Bridge?
>> It is current. It it got moved to Roden

529
00:45:45,280 --> 00:45:53,839
Bridge about just before I got here. Um
maybe maybe right after I got elected,

530
00:45:52,079 --> 00:45:57,839
it got moved, but it's it's it was
always a a department on its own and

531
00:45:56,640 --> 00:46:02,079
that's what we're just taking it back
to. It's not gonna again it doesn't

532
00:45:59,920 --> 00:46:07,040
affect anything that that the road and
bridge department does. U Jim and and

533
00:46:04,480 --> 00:46:11,440
Lupy will still do everything that they
do and and you've heard you heard Wayne

534
00:46:09,359 --> 00:46:14,319
say that it that it worked great. Um
you've heard everybody else say

535
00:46:12,560 --> 00:46:17,599
» it works great when it's when it's part
of the road and bridge department.

536
00:46:15,760 --> 00:46:21,839
» But what I I'm I'm not going to argue
with you. Do you have any more questions

537
00:46:19,200 --> 00:46:24,160
for uh Mr. Gizler?
>> No.

538
00:46:22,640 --> 00:46:27,520
» I got one question. And why was it moved
to start with?

539
00:46:25,680 --> 00:46:31,920
» Because it so much of the work Go have a
seat, Wayne. So much of the work uh that

540
00:46:30,160 --> 00:46:40,000
that
um Ly and uh Jim do uh Jim approached me

541
00:46:36,960 --> 00:46:45,680
about it and said, "Look, it it's going
to this this is where where we need to

542
00:46:42,640 --> 00:46:50,400
be and this is why it makes sense." So
much of the permitting that they do as

543
00:46:47,680 --> 00:46:55,200
well, uh not just your your driveways,
the TCQ stuff. And Justin's not here.

544
00:46:52,960 --> 00:47:00,960
Justin can tell you uh a lot of those
things that that they do. I I don't sit

545
00:46:57,280 --> 00:47:05,920
in that office every day. Um
they both said this this is this is

546
00:47:03,520 --> 00:47:10,800
where we need to fall. Um there was
there was apparently talk I don't know

547
00:47:08,160 --> 00:47:14,880
this cuz I I didn't hear it but um there
was talk that that Roaden Bridge wasn't

548
00:47:12,640 --> 00:47:22,160
even going to keep special project 911
anymore. Um, so it it's the it's a move

549
00:47:18,240 --> 00:47:27,359
that uh that uh I know that that uh
incoming commissioners are are in favor

550
00:47:24,640 --> 00:47:34,240
of. Uh I'm in favor of the department
head and the employee are in favor of

551
00:47:29,359 --> 00:47:40,960
it. Uh so it it makes sense.
>> What's the reason for moving them?

552
00:47:37,599 --> 00:47:46,520
uh the the handinhand work that that Jim
and Justin, emergency management

553
00:47:42,880 --> 00:47:46,520
coordinator, do together.

554
00:47:51,599 --> 00:48:00,000
So the the budget code is 175 for both
emergency management and special

555
00:47:56,400 --> 00:48:06,640
projects. Does that signify a a unified
department? Tom, is that what that 175

556
00:48:03,760 --> 00:48:11,200
means?
separate department 175

557
00:48:10,160 --> 00:48:16,160
has
>> correct and what's that 17 different

558
00:48:14,160 --> 00:48:19,160
department
>> okay

559
00:48:22,480 --> 00:48:30,240
» I'm sorry I didn't mean to stir up
anything I just at the time I you know I

560
00:48:27,599 --> 00:48:34,559
just threw it out I just threw my idea
out there and I apologize to stir up

561
00:48:32,319 --> 00:48:39,920
anything but
>> but it is it The judge is correct. They

562
00:48:37,760 --> 00:48:42,960
Jim and Lupy, they did say that they
would go ahead and keep on doing it.

563
00:48:41,280 --> 00:48:46,480
It's not a problem. They did say that
everything. This was just something I

564
00:48:44,720 --> 00:48:49,520
threw out there that, you know, I just
thought, well, since they it was an

565
00:48:48,000 --> 00:48:53,040
employer of Roaden Bridge at one time,
we move it over there. So, we just give

566
00:48:51,359 --> 00:48:56,880
them back that employee that they had.
And I'm sorry, ma'am. I didn't know that

567
00:48:54,880 --> 00:49:02,760
you had asked for anything or you that
never hit my table. So, I apologize for

568
00:48:58,720 --> 00:49:02,760
that. No, that's okay. No problem.

569
00:49:06,559 --> 00:49:11,760
court. I would like to comment on
essentially what I understand from

570
00:49:09,920 --> 00:49:15,920
Commissioner Rosales, he proposed adding
an additional staff member to Roaden

571
00:49:13,440 --> 00:49:19,520
Bridge to to help with the job. Uh but
we've also we've heard back and forth

572
00:49:17,760 --> 00:49:23,520
that we have two people that have been
trained up well and know how to do what

573
00:49:21,680 --> 00:49:27,119
they need to do and they say that
they're willing to continue to work in

574
00:49:24,880 --> 00:49:33,040
the way that they're working. I don't
feel it's necessary or a good use of

575
00:49:29,680 --> 00:49:38,720
funds to add an additional person. uh to
do a job that they are already doing and

576
00:49:35,119 --> 00:49:44,079
that they are doing well. If by moving
them to a standalone department they

577
00:49:40,800 --> 00:49:49,200
fail to work with roadm
I think it is our duty as a court to

578
00:49:46,640 --> 00:49:54,839
manage them properly and if they fail to
work with rodenbridge we shall take

579
00:49:51,200 --> 00:49:54,839
action on that.

580
00:50:16,960 --> 00:50:19,960
Again,

581
00:50:28,160 --> 00:50:35,040
like I said, the only reason that I came
up with it was because it was their

582
00:50:32,559 --> 00:50:38,079
employee at one time. I'm just I just,
you know, tried to put it back. Put

583
00:50:36,640 --> 00:50:40,960
their employee back. But it's up
ultimately it's up to you. There's four

584
00:50:39,359 --> 00:50:45,079
other people here. I'm fine with it.
whichever way y'all want to do it.

585
00:50:45,520 --> 00:50:52,040
And I'm sure I mean our engineer is
going to work with it either way.

586
00:51:00,559 --> 00:51:08,079
I just feel like permits that have to do
with the

587
00:51:04,640 --> 00:51:15,559
roden bridge like the bar ditches and
the entrances just say with the roen

588
00:51:10,640 --> 00:51:15,559
bridge. That's just my opinion.

589
00:51:34,640 --> 00:51:39,920
Jennifer, we're kind of It sounds like
we're kind of there's a lot of different

590
00:51:37,920 --> 00:51:42,800
opinions on this one here.
>> You're you're commissioner. You're

591
00:51:41,440 --> 00:51:45,599
entitled to have an opinion. You're
elected to have an opinion. You're

592
00:51:44,160 --> 00:51:48,839
elected to make a decision.
>> Of course,

593
00:51:49,680 --> 00:51:55,119
there's there's no legal opinion needed
here. You're you're

594
00:51:53,680 --> 00:52:00,000
» you're working on the budget.
>> I know.

595
00:51:57,359 --> 00:52:04,720
I'll go ahead and uh make the motion of
what I just stated right now to go ahead

596
00:52:02,400 --> 00:52:09,520
and leave the department out, move
driveway permits, waterline permitting

597
00:52:06,960 --> 00:52:17,280
to road and bridge and go ahead and add
them uh an extra personnel to pay at

598
00:52:12,559 --> 00:52:23,119
40,000 with fringen all the $57,578
for the one that they let this

599
00:52:20,079 --> 00:52:28,480
department have. I'll second it.
Okay, we got a motion in a second to to

600
00:52:25,839 --> 00:52:35,920
take that action in the budget. Uh all
those in favor with your right hand.

601
00:52:30,960 --> 00:52:42,160
Obvious. Uh any opposed? Obvious. So
there you go. So we're creating a new

602
00:52:39,520 --> 00:52:46,480
position. Is that correct?
>> Yes. Well, a position they had.

603
00:52:44,720 --> 00:52:52,599
» You're you're creating a new position in
Road and Bridge department for $40,000

604
00:52:48,960 --> 00:52:52,599
plus all the fringe.

605
00:52:56,960 --> 00:53:01,480
The majority of the court is Yes, sir.

606
00:53:01,599 --> 00:53:05,559
What would be the name of the

607
00:53:05,599 --> 00:53:13,720
don't know?
>> I I stated as a secretarial position. I

608
00:53:08,640 --> 00:53:13,720
don't It's a 40 thou. It's a 40,000.

609
00:53:22,720 --> 00:53:28,720
Do we I don't know what I don't know
what to call them. I call my girls in my

610
00:53:26,640 --> 00:53:34,079
office a secretary. So, I thought it was
a secretarial position. Unless there's a

611
00:53:30,720 --> 00:53:37,760
fancier name for it, then
>> suggestion.

612
00:53:35,599 --> 00:53:42,559
» Yes.
>> Excuse me.

613
00:53:39,839 --> 00:53:45,839
a job description. Well, in the way I
said a secretary usually have job

614
00:53:44,319 --> 00:53:49,599
descriptions, right? I'm sure there's
one already set for a secretary.

615
00:53:47,440 --> 00:53:55,119
» There is uh what I would do with this
one uh court is I would go ahead and uh

616
00:53:53,599 --> 00:53:58,640
leave it heavily administrative
assistant and that's probably the way to

617
00:53:56,640 --> 00:54:05,440
do it right now, but I will probably go
ahead and uh make it so have it give it

618
00:54:02,720 --> 00:54:08,960
a more of a permit coordination
event and I can come up with a job

619
00:54:06,880 --> 00:54:14,240
description. So, I'll be glad to do
that. And but it'll be an administrative

620
00:54:10,800 --> 00:54:17,920
permit position essentially
if if that pleases you. If you want to

621
00:54:16,000 --> 00:54:21,240
call it administrative assistant, that's
fine, too.

622
00:54:22,400 --> 00:54:32,240
I really do apologize that I did not
have that f that name for it. I, you

623
00:54:28,480 --> 00:54:36,440
know, I do apologize. Just secretarial
position. That's what I thought. But

624
00:54:33,440 --> 00:54:36,440
yeah.

625
00:54:46,960 --> 00:54:50,760
and that's all I have.

626
00:54:51,440 --> 00:54:59,839
Well, I got one thing. Um, after our
budget workshop

627
00:54:57,200 --> 00:55:03,280
and what you say, Sergeant Biggins said
that we didn't need to pay the

628
00:55:02,480 --> 00:55:07,280
secretary.
>> You need to talk to the microphone. Uh,

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00:55:05,440 --> 00:55:13,599
Sergeant Biggan said that we didn't need
to pay the DPS secretary

630
00:55:10,960 --> 00:55:19,359
for part-time work that she was doing
for the county. Well, I did a little

631
00:55:16,319 --> 00:55:27,119
research on this and we've been paying
part of her salary for since 2016

632
00:55:24,079 --> 00:55:30,400
and uh
I really didn't know where to go with

633
00:55:28,880 --> 00:55:36,640
this.
So, I spoke to a retired uh

634
00:55:33,920 --> 00:55:40,720
county judge, but first I talked to our
county auditor. He was a county auditor

635
00:55:38,319 --> 00:55:44,880
in Wilson County at this time, and he is
the one that told me that it started in

636
00:55:42,400 --> 00:55:50,640
2016.
So, I called uh retired judge Jackson.

637
00:55:48,559 --> 00:55:55,280
He remembered the agreement for Kins
County to pay their their share of the

638
00:55:52,880 --> 00:56:02,240
secretary salary.
And he remembered it. It was an

639
00:55:57,520 --> 00:56:09,599
agreement uh that um
then Sergeant Hanky was working on

640
00:56:06,640 --> 00:56:15,599
and he contacted Judge Long and they
came up with this agreement.

641
00:56:12,799 --> 00:56:21,040
Um
so when I spoke to uh Mr. Hanky. He said

642
00:56:18,799 --> 00:56:25,839
that there was not enough work in Kins
County for a full-time secretary and

643
00:56:23,839 --> 00:56:31,040
they could not find a part-time
secretary that was qualified.

644
00:56:28,960 --> 00:56:36,839
So, an agreement was made between KS and
Wilson County for KS County to pay a

645
00:56:33,040 --> 00:56:36,839
percentage of their salary.

646
00:56:37,280 --> 00:56:43,920
So, Commissioner Rosales and I spoke to
Sergeant Biggins yesterday and we talked

647
00:56:41,680 --> 00:56:49,359
to him today.
He said that he thought that the Korns

648
00:56:46,480 --> 00:56:55,200
County portion of the payment was in
addition to salary and that wasn't the

649
00:56:52,960 --> 00:56:59,440
agreement. The agreement was to pay
harder per salary.

650
00:56:57,680 --> 00:57:03,520
So after explaining the agreement to
him, he agreed that the best thing for

651
00:57:01,760 --> 00:57:09,119
it was the best thing for Korns and
Wilson County at this time.

652
00:57:06,480 --> 00:57:13,960
Wilson County is asking for 30% of her
salary. That's $25,5243.

653
00:57:16,799 --> 00:57:25,359
Well, uh, Commissioner Rosales and I
spoke to Judge Whitman.

654
00:57:22,240 --> 00:57:32,240
He said he'd be comfortable with a 25%.
So, that'd be $20,960.

655
00:57:28,160 --> 00:57:36,880
So, we'd be saving $5,000 there. And uh
the reason this all started was it was

656
00:57:34,559 --> 00:57:43,680
doing this was to save Kins County money
without having to provide a position,

657
00:57:41,599 --> 00:57:49,760
office space, office furniture, office
supplies.

658
00:57:45,440 --> 00:57:52,760
And uh so we been paying part of her
salary.

659
00:57:53,839 --> 00:57:59,280
» Judge man,
Commissioner, are you are you done or

660
00:57:57,760 --> 00:58:04,319
you got more?
Well, we'll be saving $5,000 and I think

661
00:58:01,760 --> 00:58:10,839
it is the uh
I guess a neighborly thing to do since

662
00:58:06,240 --> 00:58:10,839
she's doing part of our work.

663
00:58:12,240 --> 00:58:18,839
Uh
25% of her salary would be $20,960.36.

664
00:58:21,119 --> 00:58:28,960
I don't think we should expect Wilson
County to pay paying for work that she's

665
00:58:24,960 --> 00:58:33,599
doing for KS County.
Commissioner Beatatric,

666
00:58:32,000 --> 00:58:36,400
Commissioner Lissa, you said that it was
an agreement. Is there a written

667
00:58:34,960 --> 00:58:39,200
agreement that you're aware of on this
one?

668
00:58:36,640 --> 00:58:42,319
» No.
Commissioner, I'm not comfortable

669
00:58:40,720 --> 00:58:46,319
entering into any agreements without it
being in writing. I would love to

670
00:58:43,839 --> 00:58:52,760
entertain anou with Wilson County if
that's what we need to do, but I I don't

671
00:58:48,640 --> 00:58:52,760
want any just verbal agreements.

672
00:58:58,559 --> 00:59:06,240
It start it started at 10 or $15,000.
Sergeant Hinky uh said said that. Yes.

673
00:59:04,400 --> 00:59:11,440
Um
I I don't know why this is such a big

674
00:59:09,119 --> 00:59:18,400
deal. I mean, Sergeant Biggins came to
me last year and said, "Hey, we we we

675
00:59:15,440 --> 00:59:23,119
don't need to do this." So again, he
came this year and he said, "For sure we

676
00:59:20,640 --> 00:59:28,319
do not need to do this." Corporal Gentry
said, "I don't know why why Sergeant

677
00:59:26,640 --> 00:59:33,440
Hinky even did that." In the beginning,
I told him it was a bad idea. Sergeant

678
00:59:30,720 --> 00:59:39,920
Biggins, whenever y'all called, when you
called him again um the other day, he

679
00:59:36,640 --> 00:59:44,960
text me. I was in court and he came over
and he said, "We don't need to do that.

680
00:59:42,079 --> 00:59:52,960
It is not affecting anything that we
do." I went I Sergeant Biggin said he

681
00:59:48,720 --> 00:59:59,359
went to HR in Wilson County and said,
"Will this affect Gina's salary in any

682
00:59:56,319 --> 01:00:04,799
way?" Absolutely not. Essentially,
you're wanting to give Wilson County

683
01:00:01,359 --> 01:00:08,960
$20,000 for
when whenever the department head, you

684
01:00:06,720 --> 01:00:13,760
have the sergeant telling you, "We don't
need this." Why do you want to give

685
01:00:10,960 --> 01:00:20,640
Wilson County $20,000 so bad? So
essentially you're saying that uh

686
01:00:17,760 --> 01:00:23,520
Wilson County is paying her to do our
work and we shouldn't pay.

687
01:00:22,000 --> 01:00:26,960
» I'm not saying that. I'm telling you
what Sergeant Biggin told me.

688
01:00:25,520 --> 01:00:30,240
» Well, that's what it amounts to. She's
doing work for Corn County. Wilson

689
01:00:28,960 --> 01:00:35,400
County is paying for it.
>> That's not That's not true.

690
01:00:31,839 --> 01:00:35,400
» Who's paying for it?

691
01:00:36,079 --> 01:00:42,160
» And he asked he asked me if if I needed
him to come.

692
01:00:40,559 --> 01:00:45,480
He he he's
>> well that's

693
01:00:47,359 --> 01:00:50,359
» right.

694
01:00:57,760 --> 01:01:04,119
» Okay. Her staff their staff is a
secretary in Wilson County, right?

695
01:01:06,400 --> 01:01:11,960
» But DPS is not paying her salary. Wilson
County.

696
01:01:29,920 --> 01:01:36,480
It it Gina doesn't get that. Gina She
doesn't get that money.

697
01:01:34,960 --> 01:01:40,720
» You're giving You're giving
>> She doesn't get the money. If we

698
01:01:37,760 --> 01:01:46,559
supplement her, if we pay 25%
of her salary, she's getting the

699
01:01:44,799 --> 01:01:51,280
» She doesn't see Wilson County is paying
that salary or or the or the or DPS is

700
01:01:49,040 --> 01:01:55,839
paying that salary. Yes, I'm telling you
what what the sergeant, the DPS sergeant

701
01:01:54,079 --> 01:02:00,000
has told me for the last two years. And
he was he was upset. He text me. He

702
01:01:58,400 --> 01:02:03,520
said, "I'm coming over to talk to you,
judge. I was sitting on the bench. I had

703
01:02:01,839 --> 01:02:07,760
criminal court." And whenever I got done
with court, I walked down and he was in

704
01:02:05,359 --> 01:02:14,799
there and he's like, "I don't understand
why this is being pushed. I He It makes

705
01:02:11,280 --> 01:02:20,079
zero sense to me.
I put in the proposed budget to take

706
01:02:16,880 --> 01:02:25,040
that out based on what DPS the people
that work with these people with that

707
01:02:22,720 --> 01:02:30,319
person with that department said take it
out last year take it out this year I

708
01:02:28,480 --> 01:02:34,079
removed it this year we don't have any
agreement in place we're just

709
01:02:32,000 --> 01:02:37,960
willy-nilly writing a check to Wilson
County and that's not okay

710
01:02:38,799 --> 01:02:43,680
» sorry for getting but that's
>> why' we do it for 10 years it was done

711
01:02:43,119 --> 01:02:48,319
for
>> why did we do it for 10 years.

712
01:02:45,359 --> 01:02:51,359
» There bound to have been a reason.
>> Why did we do it for 10 years? Great

713
01:02:50,240 --> 01:02:56,640
question.
>> Just as what judge I mean this is what

714
01:02:53,760 --> 01:02:59,680
uh Sergeant Hanky said that there wasn't
enough work.

715
01:02:58,000 --> 01:03:02,880
» Is Sergeant Hanky still employed with
DPS?

716
01:03:01,200 --> 01:03:05,040
» Is he the sergeant in K County right
now?

717
01:03:03,200 --> 01:03:08,799
» He's the one that brokered this deal.
>> Correct. He brokered the deal. That's a

718
01:03:06,880 --> 01:03:12,000
that's a good way to put it. Okay,
>> that's it's a good way to put it

719
01:03:10,160 --> 01:03:15,839
» there because he was trying to help Kins
County because

720
01:03:12,880 --> 01:03:18,839
» Is he the current sergeant in K finish?
Okay.

721
01:03:18,880 --> 01:03:30,160
» He said that there was not enough work.
We have three troopers in Kins County.

722
01:03:25,039 --> 01:03:35,520
We have six troopers in Wilson County.
There wasn't enough work in Kins County

723
01:03:32,400 --> 01:03:41,680
at the time to have a full-time
secretary. they could not find

724
01:03:39,039 --> 01:03:47,119
a part-time secretary that was qualified
to do the job. So that's when the

725
01:03:44,640 --> 01:03:52,160
agreement was made between Wilson County
and Kins County for Kins County to pay

726
01:03:49,359 --> 01:03:57,760
part of her salary because three of the
DPS are working in K County.

727
01:03:55,440 --> 01:04:02,400
» Who is the current sergeant for DPS
that's over KS Wilson County?

728
01:03:59,680 --> 01:04:07,200
» Sergeant Biggins. What did I put in the
proposed budget that Sergeant Biggins

729
01:04:04,480 --> 01:04:12,920
asked me to do on behalf of DPS as a
sergeant of Wilson KS? What did I put in

730
01:04:09,839 --> 01:04:12,920
the budget?

731
01:04:13,680 --> 01:04:23,559
You can say I removed it. I took it out
based on what he asked me to do. Period.

732
01:04:25,119 --> 01:04:31,599
» Gentlemen, may I
>> Yes, please. I I want to reiterate,

733
01:04:30,079 --> 01:04:36,400
y'all were just asking the question, why
did we do it? And that is something that

734
01:04:34,160 --> 01:04:40,400
as a the newest commissioner on this
court, I've had to search for that

735
01:04:38,559 --> 01:04:45,119
answer and several things that we've
worked on. And that's uh you know, I've

736
01:04:42,799 --> 01:04:50,960
had to go searching through
commissioner's court minutes from 2008

737
01:04:47,839 --> 01:04:55,359
and older and in between just to try to
find some of those answers. It's been a

738
01:04:53,280 --> 01:05:00,000
real struggle. I believe it is extremely
important for us that we none of us will

739
01:04:58,319 --> 01:05:04,559
be here forever and for the people who
come 20 years after us. They need to be

740
01:05:02,240 --> 01:05:09,920
able to answer that question. Why did we
do it? And so if we are going to support

741
01:05:07,839 --> 01:05:14,960
this position, we need to have an
written agreement with the other county

742
01:05:12,640 --> 01:05:21,200
clearly expressing why we are doing it
and and what everyone is expected to do.

743
01:05:19,440 --> 01:05:24,079
» Do you remember you were county at I
mean county at the time. What do you

744
01:05:23,760 --> 01:05:27,079
remember,
>> buddy?

745
01:05:42,240 --> 01:05:48,000
» Judge, may I?
>> Yes, sir.

746
01:05:44,319 --> 01:05:51,599
» Thank you. Back in 2016, I was here in
2016. I don't remember. Sorry. I don't

747
01:05:50,160 --> 01:05:56,240
remember everything about it, but I do
remember that when it first began, we

748
01:05:53,920 --> 01:05:59,520
started with 10,000. 10,000. We thought
it was a pretty good deal because we

749
01:05:58,079 --> 01:06:02,079
were going to be they were going to be
taking care of all the paperwork for us

750
01:06:00,880 --> 01:06:06,240
and all that. And we didn't have to
supply like Commissioner 2 said, we

751
01:06:03,760 --> 01:06:09,520
didn't have to supply housing, office
furniture, office supplies and

752
01:06:07,680 --> 01:06:13,599
everything. So 10,000 seemed pretty
good. And then I believe on 2017 we did

753
01:06:11,839 --> 01:06:18,400
it again to 10,000. And then I was out
18 and 19. I came back in 20 I believe.

754
01:06:16,319 --> 01:06:23,839
And I think we were still doing it. Now,
last year, I guess this year, the fiscal

755
01:06:20,319 --> 01:06:30,160
year 2025 2026, I think it went up to
27,000. I'm not sure why it went up so

756
01:06:26,400 --> 01:06:35,119
high, and I don't have a lot of uh
details on it, but I commissioner 2 did

757
01:06:32,960 --> 01:06:42,400
go by my office and he sat down and he
did call uh Sergeant Biggins. Sergeant

758
01:06:38,880 --> 01:06:45,440
Biggins, and he said, "Uh, Sergeant,
Commissioner Rosales is present here. Do

759
01:06:44,240 --> 01:06:48,799
you mind if I put you on speaker phone?"
He said, "No, not at all." So he put me

760
01:06:47,280 --> 01:06:51,440
on speaker phone. I said, "Sergeant, how
you doing, sir?" And he said, "Fine,

761
01:06:49,839 --> 01:06:55,839
commissioner." And you know, we greeted
each other and everything. And

762
01:06:53,599 --> 01:07:01,839
Commissioner 2 proceeded to question him
about what what was going on with what

763
01:06:58,880 --> 01:07:08,160
was going on with uh why the monies
weren't asked from Wilson County to be

764
01:07:04,720 --> 01:07:11,680
put back in there. And his and I could
be wrong. I don't want to put words in

765
01:07:09,920 --> 01:07:16,720
his m in his mouth, but this is what I
remember in my office that he did state

766
01:07:13,839 --> 01:07:22,480
that he thought that that was like um
not not a bonus, but an additional fund

767
01:07:20,480 --> 01:07:28,000
an additional benefit that KS County was
giving Wilson County to add to that to

768
01:07:25,599 --> 01:07:31,520
that position. But no, uh I went ahead
and I said, "No, that's not an that's

769
01:07:29,599 --> 01:07:36,720
not additional funds or anything." He
said, "Oh, okay." And uh Commissioner 2

770
01:07:34,559 --> 01:07:39,760
proceeded to talk to him about that. And
then I kind of stepped in and I did

771
01:07:38,240 --> 01:07:45,039
question him. I told him, "So, how did
this how did this come up? How did you

772
01:07:43,280 --> 01:07:48,960
know how did we not how are we not
paying now?" He said, "Well, again," he

773
01:07:47,280 --> 01:07:53,200
said, "I thought it was for that." And
he mentioned he said, "Well, K City, I

774
01:07:51,599 --> 01:07:58,000
thought we'd pull it basically, not
exact words, but this is what he meant.

775
01:07:55,520 --> 01:08:03,520
I thought we'd pull it out of there and
then we'd have someone to help us in K

776
01:08:00,319 --> 01:08:07,359
in K County." And I said, "So, hire
someone in K County?" And he said,

777
01:08:05,119 --> 01:08:11,039
"Yeah." And I said, "Okay, that I go
that would be part-time and we may not

778
01:08:08,960 --> 01:08:16,080
get someone with the qualifications of a
full-timer there." So, and he said, "Oh,

779
01:08:13,839 --> 01:08:20,799
okay." And we just kept on talking about
that and that's about to the extent to

780
01:08:18,560 --> 01:08:24,719
what I know what's going on on that. And
then on that part about uh biggin so he

781
01:08:23,199 --> 01:08:28,960
was a little bit from what I know and
I'm not saying anything because shoot I

782
01:08:26,799 --> 01:08:36,080
make mistakes all the time but it seemed
like it wasn't 100% uh there like um why

783
01:08:33,359 --> 01:08:40,480
it was why it was stopped. I didn't get
a full picture of he 100% knew why he

784
01:08:38,880 --> 01:08:47,040
had stopped it or he had said to stop
it. That's just from what I got from it.

785
01:08:42,719 --> 01:08:51,920
So commissioner um listen proceeded to
he hung up on him. We told him by and

786
01:08:49,679 --> 01:08:57,440
everything. Then he he called excuse me,
Judge uh

787
01:08:54,319 --> 01:09:03,359
Wilson Judge Whitman Hank and he called
Hank and he told Hank uh about this and

788
01:09:01,199 --> 01:09:06,880
Hank said he said no. He goes, "Well, we
don't have a problem. I mean, we can we

789
01:09:05,359 --> 01:09:09,920
can pay it all. We got it in the budget
already to go ahead and pay it off. We

790
01:09:08,480 --> 01:09:14,719
don't have no problems." And I know Hank
from a long time ago. And he said, "We

791
01:09:12,080 --> 01:09:18,159
don't have a problem um paying it all,
Commissioner." And I said, 'Yeah, I

792
01:09:16,319 --> 01:09:21,600
know, but y'all are doing work for us.
And he said, 'Yeah, of course, we're

793
01:09:19,279 --> 01:09:25,040
doing work for us for y'all. So, and
then Commissioner 2 proceeded to ask

794
01:09:23,679 --> 01:09:29,839
him, 'What is the percentage of work
that we're know what what amount of work

795
01:09:27,520 --> 01:09:34,319
we're doing? And I said, well, judge, I
go, I mean, me being in the county for

796
01:09:32,080 --> 01:09:39,120
so long, me just being a good neighbor,
everywhere I I'm at, I don't want to get

797
01:09:37,279 --> 01:09:42,000
something for free if I mean, we're, you
know, do we have to pay for it? you

798
01:09:40,799 --> 01:09:45,120
know, and then he said, "Well, just to
let you know, Commissioner," he goes,

799
01:09:43,279 --> 01:09:48,480
"We did have a statement from our county
attorney." And Jennifer, maybe you want

800
01:09:46,880 --> 01:09:55,280
to hear this. Oh, I know you're there,
but um he Judge Wilson County Judge said

801
01:09:52,960 --> 01:09:59,760
that their county attorney said, "We
can't be doing work for free for another

802
01:09:57,920 --> 01:10:03,440
county." And I said, "Oh, I didn't know
that." I said, "But I go, I'm not

803
01:10:01,600 --> 01:10:07,760
expecting that." I go, "Judge, I'm not
expecting that. Uh I don't mind paying

804
01:10:06,400 --> 01:10:11,600
if you're doing work for us. I don't
mind paying." And I go, "And what?"

805
01:10:09,199 --> 01:10:17,600
Sergeant Biggins told us that they do
have uh nine troopers, six for Wilson,

806
01:10:14,560 --> 01:10:21,120
three for Kins County. And I did ask
him, I told him, I'm not sure how to ask

807
01:10:19,199 --> 01:10:24,400
you, but are all the hours equal? How
many hours do they put in for KS County?

808
01:10:22,880 --> 01:10:29,360
Blah blah blah. Trying to kind of get a
percentage basis on it. And he did say

809
01:10:26,719 --> 01:10:33,280
they do 50 hours a week, but they're not
sworn just to KS County. They're not

810
01:10:30,960 --> 01:10:37,280
sworn just to Wilson County. These nine
troopers DPS can float around to Dallas,

811
01:10:35,679 --> 01:10:40,719
wherever they're wherever they're going
to need them. they could float around.

812
01:10:38,640 --> 01:10:46,239
So, they're not 100% sure that they're
going to be in K County or always doing

813
01:10:43,520 --> 01:10:52,000
50 hours in Kins County nor in Wilson
County, but Wilson County still excuse

814
01:10:49,120 --> 01:10:56,800
me, Wilson County still pays for them.
And I said, "Okay." I said, "But your

815
01:10:54,400 --> 01:10:59,040
county attorney did uh make that
statement in commissioner's court." He

816
01:10:58,000 --> 01:11:01,440
said, "Yes, I believe it was a
commissioner's court. I don't want to

817
01:10:59,920 --> 01:11:05,040
put those words in his mouth, but I'm
pretty sure that's what it was that he

818
01:11:03,199 --> 01:11:06,800
made the whoever. I don't know if it's a
male or female, but the county attorney

819
01:11:06,239 --> 01:11:11,199
over there.
>> Female.

820
01:11:07,280 --> 01:11:14,560
» Female. Okay. That she had stated that
Wilson County could not be doing free

821
01:11:13,040 --> 01:11:20,080
work for any other county like that and
that would be considered, I guess, free

822
01:11:16,159 --> 01:11:23,120
work on that. So, I don't know. I know
it's a budget hearing and everything,

823
01:11:21,280 --> 01:11:27,440
but that's kind of something that came
from another county attorney. So, what

824
01:11:25,600 --> 01:11:34,880
what do you have on that? The county can
choose to do free work for anyone.

825
01:11:30,080 --> 01:11:34,880
» I don't know. I don't know.

826
01:11:38,239 --> 01:11:41,239
Okay.

827
01:11:47,840 --> 01:11:53,600
» And I don't know, Mary, we were there.
You were there. I was there at that

828
01:11:51,280 --> 01:11:57,120
time. I don't know why there was a noou.
Why wasn't there no Why didn't we do

829
01:11:56,080 --> 01:12:05,719
» there when I got there?
>> It was there when you got there.

830
01:12:01,040 --> 01:12:05,719
» Oh, okay. What year did you get there?

831
01:12:07,040 --> 01:12:15,320
» Okay. So, it was right on the edge of it
when we did it.

832
01:12:11,040 --> 01:12:15,320
» Oh, I'm sorry. I didn't I didn't

833
01:12:17,040 --> 01:12:20,040
» I

834
01:12:21,440 --> 01:12:28,080
» We did.
>> It It faded off. Yes, ma'am. I just

835
01:12:26,719 --> 01:12:32,320
don't remember. And I'm sorry, folks.
And I don't remember if we had one.

836
01:12:30,480 --> 01:12:36,560
There's things that we had back in 2000,
2001 that I still state we had, but we

837
01:12:34,480 --> 01:12:42,159
can't find them. So things just get lost
over the years, 20, 30 years.

838
01:12:39,440 --> 01:12:45,440
I I just I don't remember, judge, if we
had anything written down, but I would

839
01:12:44,000 --> 01:12:52,239
imagine we would have had something
written down, ma'am.

840
01:12:48,960 --> 01:12:55,600
» Some words. Yes, ma'am.
>> But we might have done it back then. We

841
01:12:54,080 --> 01:13:01,520
There was a lot of things that got done
and just, you know, just voting on it in

842
01:12:58,560 --> 01:13:01,520
commissioner's court.

843
01:13:03,760 --> 01:13:11,520
But that's the information uh gentlemen.
Um folks, that's the information that I

844
01:13:08,560 --> 01:13:14,480
have. I have the information from when
Commissioner 2 went to my office and he

845
01:13:13,120 --> 01:13:19,360
did call all these folks in front of me.
And everything that I quoted to y'all is

846
01:13:17,440 --> 01:13:27,440
basically not word for word of course,
but it is what was told to me by

847
01:13:22,880 --> 01:13:32,960
Sergeant Biggins and by Judge Wilson
County Judge Hank Whitman.

848
01:13:30,480 --> 01:13:36,880
» Sheriff, you were a trooper in K County
for quite a few years whenever this was

849
01:13:34,880 --> 01:13:41,520
going on. I see you back there and I'm
I'm gonna uh let you come up and speak

850
01:13:39,679 --> 01:13:45,600
because I I I know I can see it in your
eye.

851
01:13:41,920 --> 01:13:52,080
» Great conversation. So um yeah and uh
Hanky was my sergeant at one time too. U

852
01:13:49,520 --> 01:13:57,840
so
to coil any any uh fears DPSO is always

853
01:13:56,159 --> 01:14:03,120
going to be here. It's statemanded that
they are mandated to work crashes in

854
01:13:59,840 --> 01:14:06,640
rural parts of the state.
Be it we have a place for them to stay

855
01:14:04,480 --> 01:14:10,000
or not. They have to come. They have a
secretary or not. They have to come.

856
01:14:07,920 --> 01:14:12,960
That's their job. They'll always come.
They won't they won't deny you that

857
01:14:11,760 --> 01:14:18,480
first off.
>> Um, as far as the secretary over in in

858
01:14:16,080 --> 01:14:19,760
Wilson County, again, don't quote me
either, right?

859
01:14:19,199 --> 01:14:23,679
» Yes, sir.
>> It's been a minute for me, too. But it's

860
01:14:22,239 --> 01:14:26,960
my understanding that he wanted to keep
that secretary because she was really

861
01:14:25,040 --> 01:14:30,000
good. And at the time, Wilson County
didn't pay as well as apparently as they

862
01:14:28,480 --> 01:14:33,199
pay now.
>> And that was a way to keep her and like

863
01:14:31,760 --> 01:14:36,719
he kept her, but now he doesn't work
here anymore. And it looks like that was

864
01:14:35,199 --> 01:14:39,840
taken care of through HR or whatever.
And now she's being paid what she's

865
01:14:38,159 --> 01:14:43,520
worth. And that's great.
Uh, if you want my opinion on it, if

866
01:14:42,080 --> 01:14:48,000
Sergeant Big says he doesn't want
something, then you shouldn't shouldn't

867
01:14:45,520 --> 01:14:51,840
push the issue. Just he knows what he
needs over there. I'm not real sure why

868
01:14:50,239 --> 01:14:57,040
we're arguing about this. I really
>> on a $70 million budget where we're

869
01:14:54,159 --> 01:15:02,400
arguing on $20,000. Why?
>> So, we had a secretary here at one time

870
01:14:59,760 --> 01:15:09,440
that was Lupy Schneider. Uh, there was
some other ones, too, but she's now in

871
01:15:04,719 --> 01:15:13,679
the special projects. Um,
but I had moved on to commercial vehicle

872
01:15:12,080 --> 01:15:20,080
enforcement
and my secretary is in Victoria at that

873
01:15:16,880 --> 01:15:25,199
time, but we serviced nine counties and
none of the nine counties contributed to

874
01:15:21,920 --> 01:15:28,800
Victoria. So, I haven't heard of that
before.

875
01:15:26,719 --> 01:15:33,440
It was a kind of a one-off when I heard
that we were doing that for Wilson. And

876
01:15:32,000 --> 01:15:36,560
that's fine if you're doing it, but
that's just kind of a one-off to me.

877
01:15:35,199 --> 01:15:39,920
I've not heard of such things.
>> It doesn't have to get done.

878
01:15:37,840 --> 01:15:44,800
» No. So, but here's the here's the thing
too we have to think about. So, there's

879
01:15:42,480 --> 01:15:49,120
also talk because again I still talk to
DPS. I work with them. Right. There's

880
01:15:46,960 --> 01:15:53,840
still talk of hey, and this has happened
before. Remember when I was you were

881
01:15:51,520 --> 01:15:59,360
there? Remember when I was in HP?
>> Mhm.

882
01:15:54,560 --> 01:16:03,679
» Right. 2015ish. I covered Wilson County,
>> KS County here where I was stationed,

883
01:16:00,880 --> 01:16:07,360
but also Golad County. I don't remember
Goliath County contributing to Wilson

884
01:16:05,520 --> 01:16:09,199
County.
>> You're right.

885
01:16:07,760 --> 01:16:11,840
» But I worked all three counties.
>> You're right.

886
01:16:09,520 --> 01:16:16,480
» And sometimes by myself
and that was sometimes we had a

887
01:16:14,880 --> 01:16:19,840
secretary and sometimes we didn't have
one in that position. Right. My

888
01:16:17,840 --> 01:16:24,880
paperwork still flowed up to Wilson
County. We still got everything done,

889
01:16:21,600 --> 01:16:30,880
but I was always there for you
>> whether we had one or not. So, I'm just

890
01:16:27,920 --> 01:16:33,760
saying it's kind of a mood point. if he
doesn't want it. I mean, there's really

891
01:16:32,239 --> 01:16:38,640
no sense in arguing about it. I was
texting him saying, "Hey, they're still

892
01:16:35,920 --> 01:16:42,159
discussing your
money that's being sent over there." And

893
01:16:40,080 --> 01:16:44,239
he's like kind of frustrated with it,
honestly, on the text. And he's like, "I

894
01:16:43,679 --> 01:16:46,320
don't know why."
>> Really,

895
01:16:44,960 --> 01:16:48,560
» for real, I have it right here if you
want.

896
01:16:46,560 --> 01:16:54,239
» I trust I trust I trust you 100%. I
trust you 100%.

897
01:16:49,920 --> 01:16:57,840
» So, I was thinking you reverse roles.
>> If Corn County was paying

898
01:16:57,199 --> 01:17:01,120
» Yeah.
>> paying the whole globe.

899
01:16:59,360 --> 01:17:03,280
» Yeah. Well, if we had
>> You mean if we had six troopers over

900
01:17:02,800 --> 01:17:04,640
here?
>> Yeah.

901
01:17:03,760 --> 01:17:08,480
» And a sergeant.
>> If we had nine troopers over here,

902
01:17:06,400 --> 01:17:14,960
» that would be that would be kind of
>> Well, you got six there, three here.

903
01:17:10,960 --> 01:17:16,960
» Okay. Correct. If the role was reversed,
>> we're paying the whole bill, paying the

904
01:17:16,560 --> 01:17:20,400
ticket,
>> but you would also get the benefit of

905
01:17:18,239 --> 01:17:23,600
the sergeant being here and the six
troopers plus the other three at your

906
01:17:22,159 --> 01:17:26,080
disposal anytime you want. Those
troopers do make it up there and work up

907
01:17:25,199 --> 01:17:30,640
there a lot of the times,
>> but they're doing work. they'd be doing

908
01:17:28,159 --> 01:17:34,880
work for Wilson County and I just feel
like if they're doing work for us and

909
01:17:33,040 --> 01:17:37,280
not getting paid for I mean why aren't
we paying our parts?

910
01:17:35,760 --> 01:17:41,120
» So it's not so much sir that they're
doing work for us. They're doing work

911
01:17:38,400 --> 01:17:44,640
for the state of Texas and this is part
of their job.

912
01:17:42,560 --> 01:17:49,280
» State of Texas is not paying them.
They're not paying her salary.

913
01:17:47,600 --> 01:17:55,679
Wilson County is paying yourself.
>> That's correct. Yep. And Victoria is in

914
01:17:52,400 --> 01:17:57,920
the same boat. Yep. And in most of your
larger counties are paying for them.

915
01:17:57,280 --> 01:18:00,080
That's correct.
>> And they just help out the smaller

916
01:17:59,280 --> 01:18:05,040
counties.
>> Yeah. So again, so what where I was

917
01:18:02,400 --> 01:18:09,920
going with it earlier is there's talk in
DPS again of redistricting. They do that

918
01:18:08,159 --> 01:18:13,199
from time to time. They shift wherever
the problems are. They shift. They put

919
01:18:11,360 --> 01:18:16,159
captions in different places. Right. So
there's talk of taking corns away from

920
01:18:15,600 --> 01:18:20,400
Wilson.
>> Go to golad. Put in

921
01:18:18,400 --> 01:18:22,480
» putting golad. They told us that. And so
we are going to be

922
01:18:21,440 --> 01:18:24,800
» not done yet.
>> Correct.

923
01:18:23,040 --> 01:18:28,159
» May not be done. And that's my point,
right? So what if they do that and

924
01:18:26,080 --> 01:18:32,960
you've given them $20,000 and now we
don't utilize them anymore. So I'm just

925
01:18:31,120 --> 01:18:36,560
there's so many variables there. But
what what if if they're talking about

926
01:18:35,120 --> 01:18:40,880
it, they're really seriously thinking
about it. So if this becomes now where

927
01:18:39,440 --> 01:18:45,520
the sergeant's going to sit, a new
sergeant, then you're you're you're

928
01:18:43,199 --> 01:18:51,560
going to get what you're asking for what
you were saying they have. So that's

929
01:18:48,080 --> 01:18:51,560
being looked at.

930
01:18:51,840 --> 01:18:56,320
Then then you'll need that secretary.
>> Sheriff, thank you for your insight. I I

931
01:18:55,679 --> 01:19:00,640
don't know.
>> Thank you, Sheriff.

932
01:18:57,520 --> 01:19:03,120
» Poor old horse laying there dead and
>> judge.

933
01:19:01,840 --> 01:19:08,320
» Yes, sir.
>> Court, everybody in the audience, I do

934
01:19:05,760 --> 01:19:13,360
ap I do apologize. The judge is stating
that Wiggins has told him two last year.

935
01:19:13,040 --> 01:19:18,080
Big
>> biggin, I'm so sorry. Uh, Sergeant

936
01:19:15,679 --> 01:19:24,000
Biggin has told him the last fiscal year
and his fiscal year.

937
01:19:21,600 --> 01:19:29,679
I I I talked to him and he didn't tell
me. The sheriff said he's messaging him

938
01:19:26,640 --> 01:19:34,800
and I trust sheriff 1,000%. One one
million% man. I trust him.

939
01:19:32,880 --> 01:19:38,880
I wish he would have told me. I if he
all he had to do was just tell me and I

940
01:19:36,960 --> 01:19:42,080
would it would be I would have came up
here and with a different with a

941
01:19:40,400 --> 01:19:46,800
different thing, but that was not told
to me. So I you know I hope y'all

942
01:19:44,719 --> 01:19:50,239
understand my part on to why I came up
here. I'm not fighting for it. I'm not

943
01:19:48,080 --> 01:19:54,480
fighting because I do understand these
budgets are big big big big. We started

944
01:19:52,480 --> 01:19:57,360
I think when I started 1920$20 million
budget. It was little back then. Now

945
01:19:56,159 --> 01:20:01,040
it's a big one. I don't think it was
that

946
01:19:59,040 --> 01:20:04,480
uh we we are working with a big budget
and it's only a few dollars. I just

947
01:20:03,199 --> 01:20:08,400
wanted to be a good neighbor and that's
what I wanted to do. I didn't know that

948
01:20:06,320 --> 01:20:11,920
we didn't have to do it. I wasn't aware,
thank you, sheriff, that the bigger

949
01:20:09,920 --> 01:20:16,480
counties have that and then they did
distribute the DPS, the corporate the

950
01:20:14,880 --> 01:20:20,560
corporals and everything to the other
counties as they see fit or however they

951
01:20:18,640 --> 01:20:23,760
need them. I wasn't aware of that. You
know, I do know a little bit about DPS,

952
01:20:22,080 --> 01:20:27,440
not as much as what you're explaining to
me right now. So, a a bigger county in

953
01:20:26,000 --> 01:20:30,560
the state of Texas, and I'm sorry,
judge, I brought him back in here. I

954
01:20:28,800 --> 01:20:35,040
know you told him, but I just asked him
one more question. But the bigger county

955
01:20:32,320 --> 01:20:40,239
say for an example Dallas Dallas is
gonna have so many Dallas is gonna have

956
01:20:36,880 --> 01:20:42,560
so many DPS and judge is that all right?
>> Yes. No, that that's a perfect point.

957
01:20:41,920 --> 01:20:47,840
» I'm trying to
>> No, no, that's a perfect point. So the

958
01:20:44,719 --> 01:20:53,280
captain and lieutenants are in San
Antonio and they have a lot of admin

959
01:20:51,199 --> 01:20:58,719
staff. Now I think a lot of those might
be state funded secretary positions, but

960
01:20:56,320 --> 01:21:02,560
what I'm trying to say is yes, it
depends on the population. They'll move

961
01:21:00,719 --> 01:21:07,600
the troopers there. And depending on
that, that's where they're going to have

962
01:21:04,719 --> 01:21:11,040
the secretaries. That's in San Antonio.
I don't believe that there's any county

963
01:21:09,440 --> 01:21:15,280
paid secretaries there. It's all in the
state, but yet

964
01:21:13,360 --> 01:21:19,360
they spread out to all the surrounding
counties that those captains

965
01:21:17,679 --> 01:21:23,520
encompass.
So,

966
01:21:20,239 --> 01:21:28,080
» yeah, Wilson County at this time,
county, county secretary. That may

967
01:21:25,280 --> 01:21:32,000
change. we had in Victoria County
Secretary, but they also have a state

968
01:21:30,159 --> 01:21:37,920
paid secretary that got changed. She was
county, but she state picked her up. So,

969
01:21:36,080 --> 01:21:40,480
it's all different. No, you're not
required. They're still going to come.

970
01:21:38,880 --> 01:21:43,760
They're still going to service us. I
>> understand.

971
01:21:41,040 --> 01:21:47,520
» And we do take care of them in in in the
meantime, too. When they're not here, we

972
01:21:45,360 --> 01:21:50,640
do work a lot of the crashes for them.
So,

973
01:21:48,080 --> 01:21:55,120
» and that's what that's what uh Judge
Hank Whitman said. He he was okay. He he

974
01:21:53,199 --> 01:21:58,320
he was smiling. I can't see his smile. I
was talking to him. He was he said he

975
01:21:56,719 --> 01:22:01,120
was fine that they already budgeted for
all of it that they were they were fine

976
01:21:59,760 --> 01:22:04,960
with paying for it. They didn't have a
problem with it. The only issue is it

977
01:22:03,120 --> 01:22:08,480
comes back to where my old school person
comes in. I I like to pay for what I

978
01:22:07,600 --> 01:22:11,280
get. But
>> you know that's my old that's my old

979
01:22:09,840 --> 01:22:16,639
school here. I guess I've been here too.
I don't know. That's old school. But if

980
01:22:13,600 --> 01:22:20,000
he's tell the judge two times and I you
know I trust and believe the judge and I

981
01:22:18,719 --> 01:22:23,360
trust you and everything. And if he's
messaging you right now I just wish he

982
01:22:21,760 --> 01:22:28,000
would have and I think he's a great guy.
He speaks real good. Right. You know, I

983
01:22:25,120 --> 01:22:30,880
kind of know him, too. Um, I just wish
he would have told me. It would have

984
01:22:28,880 --> 01:22:34,400
been easy. Would have been easier. But
that's fine. That's fine. I on my part,

985
01:22:33,120 --> 01:22:37,679
I'll just leave it out. I'll leave it
out to you because, uh, the judge that

986
01:22:36,080 --> 01:22:40,800
we have in Wisconsin is a great judge
and he said that it was not a problem.

987
01:22:39,280 --> 01:22:44,480
Either way, they're going to make it
happen. They're not going to stop

988
01:22:42,159 --> 01:22:48,480
anything. He he was really really nice
about it. I did tell them that I would

989
01:22:46,080 --> 01:22:53,120
do my best to help being a good
neighbor. But I mean, if nobody if

990
01:22:51,360 --> 01:22:56,800
nobody else is paying for it, I don't
want to seem like I'm being stingy or

991
01:22:54,960 --> 01:23:00,320
ugly or not a good neighbor. I feel even
bad about doing it this way. But

992
01:22:58,960 --> 01:23:02,880
» but if this is done like this
everywhere,

993
01:23:01,520 --> 01:23:08,480
» yeah, law enforcement wise,
>> and if Sergeant Biggins big has asked

994
01:23:05,520 --> 01:23:11,440
for this two years in a row,
>> what are we doing right now? So, no, law

995
01:23:10,239 --> 01:23:17,840
enforcement wise, I know we're good
neighbors 100%. I'm not proposing to

996
01:23:14,639 --> 01:23:23,120
just give them money. I'm proposing to
pay our share and be a good number.

997
01:23:20,239 --> 01:23:26,000
» Again, this commissioner court's uh
decision to make. So,

998
01:23:25,280 --> 01:23:28,320
» thank you, Sheriff.
>> Yes, sir.

999
01:23:26,639 --> 01:23:32,239
» Thank you, sir. Very much. Thank you,
judge. Commissioner, thank you.

1000
01:23:30,639 --> 01:23:35,280
» I didn't mean to make this any kind of
circus or anything like that. I'm just

1001
01:23:33,600 --> 01:23:38,159
trying to get my mind straight before I
make my decisions up here. I'm not just

1002
01:23:36,719 --> 01:23:41,679
going to come and make my decisions
because one person tells me something.

1003
01:23:40,159 --> 01:23:43,679
I'm not that I'm not that person. And
I'm going to look at both sides. I'm

1004
01:23:42,719 --> 01:23:46,960
going to look at three sides, four
sides, whatever. So, y'all know me. The

1005
01:23:45,440 --> 01:23:51,280
ones that know me know me. And the ones
that don't, you'll learn. You'll get

1006
01:23:48,800 --> 01:23:55,120
used to me. Well, if I'm here any
longer. But

1007
01:23:53,199 --> 01:23:57,840
» how long how long have we paid paid
this?

1008
01:23:57,280 --> 01:24:06,560
» How many years?
>> Since 2016. It was 10 10 14 and then

1009
01:24:03,040 --> 01:24:11,040
like 18. I don't know. It went up like
ma'am.

1010
01:24:08,159 --> 01:24:15,120
» It's in 16, right? Almost 10 years now.
for

1011
01:24:12,800 --> 01:24:18,480
» that that I believe I don't remember if
there was or not. I I would say there's

1012
01:24:16,960 --> 01:24:24,560
not, but I don't know if we did write
something at that time. So I I mean my

1013
01:24:20,800 --> 01:24:29,120
opinion is um kind of like commissioner
three I mean we need to be a good

1014
01:24:27,280 --> 01:24:32,800
neighbor but also commissioner one we
need to have something formal in place

1015
01:24:30,880 --> 01:24:37,760
and I think we need to I'm fine putting
the money in the budget but I think we

1016
01:24:35,040 --> 01:24:45,360
need to have anou before
that's approved and passed by court

1017
01:24:39,679 --> 01:24:45,360
before we disperse that my opinion

1018
01:24:49,360 --> 01:24:55,440
Well, you're saying to designate a line
item for that and then get anou and

1019
01:24:53,840 --> 01:25:01,040
still help them out with that
>> if Yes. Yes. And I think I think I think

1020
01:24:58,480 --> 01:25:05,840
at that point
>> we'll find out if if it's truly needed

1021
01:25:03,120 --> 01:25:09,880
and if it's not then the money will go
back into the budget next year.

1022
01:25:10,639 --> 01:25:16,639
I think I caused enough turmoil today,
so I'm going to stay.

1023
01:25:14,800 --> 01:25:20,800
So, I I'm going to stay with just
leaving it the way it is. Wilson County

1024
01:25:18,880 --> 01:25:25,120
judge was wonderful when I spoke with
him and he said that they will take care

1025
01:25:22,560 --> 01:25:29,440
of it. I will I'm going to apologize to
him. I'll call him and I'll apologize to

1026
01:25:26,800 --> 01:25:33,440
him, but I'll look deeper into it and
next year for one reason or another, if

1027
01:25:31,199 --> 01:25:36,800
it's any different, I'll you know, I'll
jump in and I'll be the first one to

1028
01:25:34,880 --> 01:25:39,760
make the vote on it. right now. I just
did not know that he's already came to

1029
01:25:38,239 --> 01:25:43,679
the judge two years in a row and said
that. I was talking to him. He could

1030
01:25:42,000 --> 01:25:48,120
have he could have told me. I think he's
a great guy, but I wish he would have

1031
01:25:44,960 --> 01:25:48,120
told me.

1032
01:25:51,360 --> 01:25:59,280
So, judge, do we need something on here
on discussion or just uh we need

1033
01:25:57,040 --> 01:26:06,000
» I'll make the motion that we do it like
uh uh Wes said, put the money in the

1034
01:26:02,960 --> 01:26:09,760
budget, look into it. If we don't need
it, it'll go back the next year

1035
01:26:08,480 --> 01:26:12,560
» if we get anou.
>> Yeah, if we do that,

1036
01:26:10,960 --> 01:26:17,440
» we have to get I'll second.
>> And if it Okay, we got a motion and a

1037
01:26:15,120 --> 01:26:20,920
second. All those in favor? Right hand.
Anybody opposed?

1038
01:26:21,120 --> 01:26:29,560
» Be specific with me, please, though. So,
you're putting

1039
01:26:25,760 --> 01:26:29,560
» it. Put the money in.

1040
01:26:30,320 --> 01:26:34,679
» But money as in how much?

1041
01:26:34,800 --> 01:26:43,400
» Correct.
>> Motion fails.

1042
01:26:39,920 --> 01:26:43,400
Did I see it?

1043
01:26:45,760 --> 01:26:51,520
» I just need to be very specific on the
motion. If you're going to make it again

1044
01:26:50,000 --> 01:26:56,400
so I know how to
>> Commissioner Liy, can you make the

1045
01:26:52,960 --> 01:27:00,880
motion again for Jamie to record that
correctly?

1046
01:26:57,840 --> 01:27:05,320
» I want to make the motion that we put uh
let's see, where was that?

1047
01:27:06,719 --> 01:27:09,719
$20,960.36

1048
01:27:10,080 --> 01:27:18,639
in the budget.
>> Commissioner Gizler seconded the vote uh

1049
01:27:14,480 --> 01:27:22,159
failed uh due to 243.
>> You guys got to be more specific for me,

1050
01:27:20,480 --> 01:27:27,280
right, Jennifer? You're just putting
20,000 where GL code the name of the GL

1051
01:27:25,360 --> 01:27:31,360
code like all of that stuff.
>> We'd have to create a geo code, I guess.

1052
01:27:29,840 --> 01:27:34,080
» Okay. Well, let's be specific about
that.

1053
01:27:31,760 --> 01:27:41,239
» We're guys, give us a break.
>> I'm tired. I'm getting hungry

1054
01:27:38,239 --> 01:27:41,239
here.

1055
01:27:43,760 --> 01:27:52,400
» That motion filled as well. So, let's
let's go to the next. Let's do it again,

1056
01:27:49,679 --> 01:27:55,400
but with all the detail. You have geo
code

1057
01:28:01,360 --> 01:28:11,239
» 100 575
4221.

1058
01:28:06,480 --> 01:28:11,239
Okay, here we go again.

1059
01:28:11,280 --> 01:28:17,719
I'll make a motion that we put uh
$20,960.36

1060
01:28:18,239 --> 01:28:22,920
in line item 105754221

1061
01:28:23,760 --> 01:28:34,400
to supplement uh
the salary for the DPS secretary in

1062
01:28:31,280 --> 01:28:39,440
Wilson County.
>> Okay. And Commissioner Gizler second.

1063
01:28:37,840 --> 01:28:44,400
Did that hear it?
>> Yes.

1064
01:28:41,520 --> 01:28:50,719
» And the vote was Commissioner Lissy and
Commissioner Gizler for and Commissioner

1065
01:28:48,159 --> 01:28:54,199
Rosales, Commissioner Beatatric and
myself against.

1066
01:28:55,199 --> 01:28:58,840
» Thank you, Jamie.

1067
01:29:02,880 --> 01:29:11,760
It's all I got. It's
>> all I got. All I got.

1068
01:29:08,400 --> 01:29:17,800
» I have nothing else.
Need a motion to adjurnn?

1069
01:29:12,960 --> 01:29:17,800
» No. Needs the next one.

1070
01:29:20,719 --> 01:29:27,199
» Do we want to take any action on the
budget? Did you just want to This is an

1071
01:29:25,600 --> 01:29:30,000
action item. Discuss, approve,
disapprove.

1072
01:29:28,000 --> 01:29:33,280
» No action on the on the judge on my
part. No accident. No action on the

1073
01:29:32,480 --> 01:29:36,239
budget, judge.
>> Okay.

1074
01:29:33,679 --> 01:29:38,800
» Jesus.
>> No action for me either.

1075
01:29:37,920 --> 01:29:45,199
» No action.
>> All right.

1076
01:29:40,480 --> 01:29:52,400
We just discussion on item number seven.
Okay. Hearing that then we will uh stop

1077
01:29:48,480 --> 01:29:57,880
here and we will do our tax rate stuff
uh and potentially adopt the budget. Uh,

1078
01:29:58,239 --> 01:30:03,679
so we do we don't we don't I mean we
have we still have a proposed budget. I

1079
01:30:01,920 --> 01:30:10,480
guess that y'all got the changes that
were discussed today. Uh, and then on

1080
01:30:06,480 --> 01:30:14,080
the 22nd of court, we will see if we can
adopt the budget or if we just go back

1081
01:30:12,080 --> 01:30:15,760
to what we got now. Uh,
>> judge, may I?

1082
01:30:14,800 --> 01:30:18,239
» Yes, sir. Please.
>> All these changes that we've talked

1083
01:30:16,880 --> 01:30:23,040
about tonight, will they be published
for the public's viewing?

1084
01:30:20,880 --> 01:30:28,800
» I will happily do that. Uh, I mean, I'll
I'll do it as quick as I can.

1085
01:30:26,320 --> 01:30:32,080
We'll get I'll I'll get that tomorrow.
Hopefully, you can have the fringe for

1086
01:30:30,400 --> 01:30:38,000
the new position created and the
breakdown and u and then that way

1087
01:30:34,960 --> 01:30:41,199
taxpayers can see that uh before we
adopt it. Item 12, acknowledge

1088
01:30:40,000 --> 01:30:46,080
commissioner court will meet on
September 22nd, 2026 at nine o'clock in

1089
01:30:44,080 --> 01:30:51,840
the morning in the KS County
multi-purpose room that is located at

1090
01:30:48,320 --> 01:30:56,719
210 West Calbert, sweet 150 K City,
Texas 78118.

1091
01:30:54,560 --> 01:30:58,560
Item number 13. We need a motion to
adjurnn.

1092
01:30:57,360 --> 01:31:04,639
» I'll move we adjourn.
>> Jamie can go east. Go. Are you buying?