[0:11] here in in internet land. Today is the
10th day of September September 2026. It
[0:17] is 6 pm. Uh we are going to open with
our public hearing. Uh today uh item
[0:23] number one is the public hearing to
discuss the proposed budget for for
[0:26] fiscal year October 1, 2026 through
September 30, 2027 and hear public
[0:32] comments through local government uh
government code 111.007.
[0:37] Item two, citizens to be heard. Do we
have anybody signed up to speak this
[0:41] morning?
>> No.
[0:41] » This evening
>> hearing none. Uh the public meeting to
[0:46] discuss the proposed tax rates. Uh, item
one, discuss discuss K County, Texas
[0:51] 2026 proposed,
I'm sorry, tax rates. Uh, we're going to
[0:57] A discuss the general fund maintenance
and operating tax rate. B, acknowledge
[1:03] there is no general fund interest in
syncing tax rate. C, discuss road and
[1:08] bridge special maintenance and operating
tax rate. And that is Texas government
[1:11] code 551.043.
House Bill 1522 makes me say all of this
[1:17] and I will reference it going forward as
House Bill 1522, the taxpayer impact
[1:23] statement notice.
House Bill 1522 passed by the Texas
[1:28] Legislature in 2025 amends section
551.043
[1:33] of the Texas Government Code to require
that the notice of a meeting required to
[1:38] be posted under section 551.043A
043A
[1:42] of the Texas Open Meetings Act, at which
a government body will discuss or adopt
[1:47] a budget for the governmental body must
include a taxpayer impact statement
[1:51] showing for the median valued homestead
property, a comparison of the property
[1:57] tax bill in dollars pertaining to the
property for the current fiscal year to
[2:03] to an estimate of the property tax bill
in dollars for the same property for the
[2:09] upcoming fiscal year. Kins County has
proposed a budget for the 2026-2027
[2:15] fiscal year. Kins County intends to
adopt its budget on September 10th,
[2:21] 2026.
2025
[2:24] uh value of medium median valued
homestead property in K County is
[2:29] $53,446.
[2:32] 2025 property tax bill for the current
fiscal year uh.241058
[2:39] and that is $128.84.
[2:42] 2026 value of medium median valued
homestead property in K County is
[2:48] $111,331.
[2:52] Estimated 2026 property tax bill for the
upcoming fiscal year if K County adopts
[2:58] the proposed budget and tax rate
310890
[3:04] per 100 of value for 346.12.
[3:10] Estimated 2026 property tax bill for the
upcoming fiscal year if Kins County
[3:16] adopts a balanced budget at the no new
revenue tax rate is 310890
[3:24] per 100 of value which is $346.12.
[3:31] The estimates in this impact statement
are valid only for the proposed budget
[3:35] and proposed tax rate that the governing
body of KS County will discuss at its
[3:41] meeting on September 10th, 2026.
The proposed budget and the proposed tax
[3:47] rate may each be amended by the
governing body of KS County before their
[3:52] final adoption.
uh reading this. Whenever we get to that
[3:57] um that spot again, I'm going to
reference that as uh House Bill 1522 for
[4:04] the public here and the public listening
so y'all don't have to hear me read all
[4:09] those things again. Okay, we're here for
our special meeting now. Again, welcome.
[4:13] We do have a quorum present. Uh we're
going to stand for a prayer real real
[4:18] quick. One of my favorites. And uh we'll
do a pledge. and citizens. Again, Lord,
[4:22] we pray for the wisdom to apply your
teachings to our daily lives. Help us to
[4:27] discern your will in every situation and
to make choices that honor you and bless
[4:32] others. Grant us the strength to resist
temptation and the courage to stand firm
[4:36] in our convictions. May our lives be a
reflection of your wisdom and your
[4:40] grace, Lord. And we ask this in your
name. Amen.
[4:43] » Amen. I pledge allegiance to the flag of
the United States of America and to the
[4:48] republic for which it stands. One nation
under God, indivisible, with liberty and
[4:53] justice for all.
>> All right, Jamie. Anybody signed up to
[4:57] speak?
>> No.
[4:58] » Item number six, discuss, approve,
disapprove, setting base salaries for
[5:02] the elected officials for fiscal year
2026-2027.
[5:07] Uh, starting with myself, the county
judge, Wade Hedkkey, $80,000. County
[5:12] clerk, $74,000. The district clerk,
$74,000.
[5:17] Justice of the Peace Precinct One,
$60,000. Justice of the Peace Precinct
[5:22] 2, $60,000. Justice of the Peace
Precinct 3, $60,000.
[5:27] Justice of the Peace Precinct 4,
$60,000. County Attorney, $77,000.
[5:33] County Treasurer, $74,000.
Tax Assessor Collector $74,000.
[5:40] Constable one, $55,000. Constable
precinct 2, $55,000. Constable precinct
[5:46] 3, $55,000.
Constable precinct 4, $55,000.
[5:52] Sheriff, $90,000.
Commissioner Precinct 1, $74,000.
[5:58] Commissioner Precinct 2, $74,000.
Commissioner Precinct 3, $74,000. and
[6:04] commissioner precinct for $74,000. I am
referencing again Texas Government Code
[6:10] 551.043,
House Bill 1522, our taxpayer impact
[6:16] statement to reflect that on item number
six for elected official salaries. The
[6:22] 20 I'm not going to read all that again.
That's again this is the uh median
[6:26] median valued homestead properties the
tax bill for current fiscal year all the
[6:31] things that I talked about earlier on
earlier earlier earlier on house bill uh
[6:36] 1522
item number seven discuss approve
[6:40] disapprove adoption of the fiscal year
2026 that's
[6:43] » judge
>> yep
[6:46] » we're gonna discuss
>> oh yes we do need to I'm sorry
[6:49] » approve disapprove um y it came to my um
attention that the uh juvenile
[6:55] supplement wasn't it was published in
the paper to on your salary and my
[6:59] salary which um
>> but that does not reflect your base
[7:02] salary for your elected official. It is
a supplement.
[7:05] » Okay. So okay I didn't know how that was
going to
[7:08] » because it doesn't it doesn't list my
juvenile and it does not list my state
[7:11] supplement. This is the elected
official.
[7:13] » Those aren't it's not a state Mine's not
a state supplement.
[7:16] » You're right. Yours is not.
>> Yours is your yours is state supplement.
[7:19] » Mine is state. Yes.
>> Okay. Mine is is not. the county would
[7:22] pay for it. So, um I would request that
an oral amend motion or amendment be
[7:28] made to include the the additional
$5,700.
[7:31] » Okay.
>> Uh is that legal without posting in the
[7:37] paper?
>> We we spoke about it in open court and
[7:40] it was record should have been recorded
in the minutes uh from the last meeting.
[7:44] » It it was and it was posted in the
newspaper with the correct amounts in
[7:48] there.
>> Okay. Oral amendment.
[7:51] uh need to needs to be made in the
motion on item number six.
[7:55] » I'll make the motion to approve item
number six as presented with an oral
[7:58] amendment from on H County Attorney
77,000 to do the juvenile supplement an
[8:04] additional 5,700.
>> I second it.
[8:07] » Okay. Motion and a second. All those in
favor item number six with the oral
[8:12] amendment right hand. Anybody opposed?
None.
[8:16] Okay. Now we can move to item number
seven. discuss, approve, disapprove the
[8:19] adoption of the fiscal year 2026-2027
budget for KS County, Texas, local
[8:25] government code 111.008.
Uh myself is the author and uh Tom is
[8:32] also on there for me and I will quote
again for the public here in in internet
[8:38] land uh Texas government code 551.043,
House Bill 1522, our taxpayer impact
[8:46] statement notice. Commissioner
Beatatric.
[8:50] » Thank you, Judge. I had asked the judge
if when we could go through this
[8:55] together again, that way we would uh
make sure that anything I saw, I wanted
[9:00] to make sure I brought up and we were
all on the same page. Anything that is
[9:03] different from what was published on the
county website. Uh I went through this
[9:07] page by page and I just wanted to at
least read them out and if the court
[9:11] would like to discuss them, great. If
not, I just want to be transparent with
[9:14] the public on what has changed from what
was published online to what is now
[9:18] before us. In the county clerks
department 403, we had init published we
[9:26] showed five deputy clerks at
$216,816.34.
[9:32] That has been changed to four hourly
clerks at $187,816.34.
[9:40] A part-time deputy clerk was added at
$20,000.
[9:46] Then
>> thumbs up from back here.
[9:49] » Yep.
[9:58] » For the county clerk's bond, we had
budgeted $87.50.
[10:03] That increased to $31063
because the bond actually increased and
[10:08] we had to increase that amount.
[10:13] In the veteran service office, we had
budgeted $10,36728
[10:19] for health insurance.
>> What number is that?
[10:22] » That is in department 405. I am on page
four of 61. It is
[10:28] » 405
>> is 100 4052020 is where I'm at now.
[10:33] » Okay.
>> The VSO is not going to utilize the
[10:37] county's health insurance. uh he gets it
um through the federal government,
[10:43] but I wonder court if we should still
budget that amount in case our VSO were
[10:48] to leave us and someone else were to
take it and was not on that
[10:52] wanted to discuss that as a group. How
do y'all feel?
[10:59] Leave it out because we know he's not
going to use it or add it back in case
[11:04] we ever had to replace that? We we could
always uh if if our VSO uh left for some
[11:11] reason um we could we had to draw out of
the contingency and and whatever you
[11:18] know salary there would be some salary
differential because of the the timeline
[11:24] that our current BSO has been here. Uh I
think that we could probably swing it.
[11:29] Uh there's options but for transparency
I'd like to I'd like to leave it out.
[11:37] I don't want somebody to come in and
say, "Hey, you know, well, I've got this
[11:40] money. It was we budgeted uh wrong
knowing that it was wrong." Um, I can
[11:46] just pull from that. You know what I'm
saying?
[11:48] » Yes, sir.
>> Well, I like our VSO, so he better not
[11:53] think about going anywhere.
>> Before you move on, though, um, when you
[11:59] were talking about my part-time clerk,
>> Yes, ma'am.
[12:01] » my part-time clerk will be working 29
hours. Is that correct? that seller
[12:07] » 29 hours.
>> 29 hours is that
[12:11] » we had 20,000 hours.
>> That would only be 20 hours.
[12:20] » So at 29 hours, uh they will u qualify
for benefits
[12:28] at the 29 hours.
>> So I need So how so I need to have part
[12:34] time.
>> 20 hours.
[12:37] » 20 hours.
[12:43] » Can you make you can make that work?
>> Make it work.
[12:46] » Yeah.
>> So 20,000 number.
[12:49] » So that's why I'm asking. So is that so
with the 20 hours is the salary
[12:53] » 20,000?
>> The salary will be the 20,000 and they
[12:57] won't qualify.
>> Okay.
[12:59] » Yeah,
>> we're good.
[13:04] Yes.
[13:10] » Without
>> Okay.
[13:16] » So, so if I want my part time to work
the 29 hours won't get won't get benefit
[13:22] or he so the $20,000 reflected as a
salary is not correct.
[13:26] » That would not be correct. And for the
up to 29 hours.
[13:30] » So I had when I had discussed it with
about the $29.
[13:36] So what can I do now?
>> Can make that that change
[13:42] » if the court see it to
>> that would be 29,000 instead of 20,000.
[13:49] » I'm fine with that.
>> I am too.
[13:52] » Thank you.
>> 25,000
[13:56] 29
>> and the salary would be 29,000.
[13:59] » 29
[14:07] Thank you, Ela.
[14:12] » And just so so folks know, uh here, and
if anybody's watching, I'm sure folks
[14:17] are watching. Uh I know some that are.
Um these
[14:22] uh changes that Commissioner Beatatric
is is going over. Uh,
[14:28] one, I want to thank him so much um for
going over line by line uh the budget
[14:35] over the last week. Uh, and these are
just some things that he identified that
[14:39] were typos. Um, things that left out.
It's it's a lot. Y'all hear me say this
[14:45] whenever Tom and Jose and his office are
entering these numbers. I can't imagine
[14:50] how tired your eyes get and numbers get
transposed. Uh so I am thankful for the
[14:58] third set of eyes. Michelle and I uh
spend tons of time Michelle more time
[15:02] than me um going line by line and I
appreciate you commissioner Beatatric
[15:07] for for doing that. So proceed
[15:13] court under the
treasures county treasurer we had dues.
[15:19] It's 104974810.
[15:23] In our previous workshop, we thought it
was a typo at $1,775.
[15:29] We reduced it to 175 for the proposed
budget, but I have been told that that
[15:33] due actually needed to be the 1775. So,
it's been changed back to that.
[15:40] » What page you on?
>> I that was page 14 of 61.
[15:45] Do do you mind reading acceptation
numbers out loud every time just so I
[15:49] better
>> Yes ma'am I will do that
[15:55] » I didn't feel it was necessary to read
out every time like um it would change
[15:59] FICA and Medicaid unless I thought it
was a a major issue
[16:07] on page 16 of 61
we have electrical air conditioning
[16:14] repairs
100 510 4552
[16:19] we had put in the proposed budget 44,000
that's been reduced to 40,000 I think it
[16:24] was a typo previously or something I
don't remember
[16:28] » so it needs to be at 40,000 and that's
what it is now
[16:41] on page 17 of 61 in emergency medical
service. We have in our ES EMS captains
[16:49] 1541080.
In our budget that was proposed budget,
[16:53] it was $371,73644.
[16:58] It is now at $383,469.
[17:03] I think that's just to adjust for
pay.
[17:17] So there's an error, but it's been
corrected now. And that affected
[17:22] Medicaid and the health insurance and
retirement for that entire
[17:26] department.
[17:31] On page 18 of 61, I had dues and
subscriptions 100404810.
[17:39] We had previously agreed on $19,500.
That's been increased to $19,700.
[17:46] Just all of the dues and subscriptions
apparently are getting more expensive on
[17:50] us.
[17:57] On page 21 of 61
under office expenses for constable 4,
[18:03] it was 1005543,100.
We had $70 in there. That was a typo. It
[18:09] has been corrected to $1,500 to match
the rest of the constable's offices.
[18:19] On 22 of 61, we have
[18:24] 156199
for the assistant dispatch
[18:28] administrator. We had put in our
proposed budget $50,000. It has been
[18:33] increased to $61,689.71.
[18:38] I believe that the understanding I have
was we had a later planning to have a
[18:42] lateral move and the person is going to
keep their longevity pay and so we have
[18:46] to budget that higher number of the of
the step program. Okay.
[18:52] that online
[18:56] on page 24.
Office furniture had no budget
[19:04] under the
[19:07] I think this is the sheriff's office
still
[19:10] sheriff's department and $15,300
has been added back added into the
[19:16] budget for office furniture for the
sheriff's office. I assume that was a
[19:21] clerical error. We just failed to get
that in there.
[19:24] » Yes, ma'am.
>> It just didn't make it into our proposed
[19:48] In this morning's court, this isn't on
any page number, but we decided we were
[19:52] going to add a
$500 for health inspector. What did we
[19:56] call it, Tom? What was the line item
going to be called?
[19:59] » Uh,
fees.
[20:01] » Inspection fees. That's not in the
proposed budget, but it will be added to
[20:05] » it. Will be after court action today. We
just need to add this.
[20:10] » Yes.
[20:22] On page 29 under the IT department, we
had proposed $50,000 for telephone. That
[20:29] is increased to $52,800.
[20:38] On page 30,
[20:42] our webpage domain was proposed at
$10,000.
[20:46] It has increased to $18,950.
[20:52] Our subscription licenses were proposed
at $72,000. That has increased to
[20:56] $74,400.
[21:04] Jimmy just told me that subscriptions
and everything are getting more
[21:06] expensive. So,
[21:15] » we're adding more phones and so it's
costing more for the telephones.
[21:31] On page 34, we had contract election
revenues
[21:36] and excuse me, I'm going to go to
election day workers. We had budgeted
[21:39] $66,500.
That has been reduced to $60,000.
[21:45] Is that accurate? We need to reduce that
number or do we need to go back to 665?
[21:58] on page 34
[22:05] » so it needs to go back to the 665 that's
142 638 1022
[22:15] Yes. Yes.
[22:35] When we get to pre-trial diversion funds
in on page 35,
[22:40] a lot of our assistant county attorney
legal clerk was taken out of there. Uh
[22:46] FICO, Medicaid was missing, life
insurance was missing. Has that been
[22:51] resolved and added back now or
>> Right. So what that is is county
[22:56] attorney has a two positions at a grant
position,
[22:58] » right?
>> That Senate bill 22 can only fund X
[23:01] dollars and this the remainder of it
which allowable to and like the health
[23:05] insurance we charge the county
attorney's office and then whatever the
[23:08] residuals are got charged back to the
pre-trial because they're on a step
[23:12] program. So that's what you stepped.
>> So when what was published in our
[23:15] proposed under 690
>> right
[23:17] » six
>> 606 it was under 606 which was county
[23:20] forfeite fund you can't pay salaries out
of forfeite fund
[23:24] » okay but we had fica medicaid at this at
27841 and life insurance at 1180 I'm not
[23:32] seeing it here in section
>> I think in the original budget the
[23:36] amounts were incorrect because we didn't
realize about the step program.
[23:39] » Okay.
[23:42] Then also
144,645
[23:46] 3352 programs had $0 budgeted in the
proposed budget and has been increased
[23:52] to $16,500.
[23:56] » This is a total of all these 16,500.
>> That's correct. We we we crunched we it
[24:03] it's a it's a weird breakdown but that
165 is the correct number.
[24:06] » Okay.
>> Thank you. Right.
[24:42] Page 37 starts with our special projects
and emergency management coordinator. In
[24:48] the proposed budget, it was all listed
together. It's been separated out now
[24:54] and
[24:57] is essentially doubled some of our
expenses such as office expenses,
[25:02] operational supplies, and fuel.
[25:07] Uh I feel two ways about it. Um there's
two vehicles there and in a previous
[25:14] proposed budget, we had proposed $2,000
for fuel for both of them. and
[25:22] combined now it's $5,000 worth of fuel.
Um
[25:29] office expenses we had originally
budgeted together $2,500 and we're now
[25:35] up to $4,500
in a shared office.
[25:41] » I would please
[25:45] When the worksheet came for those two
departments together, there were
[25:51] actually two sets of numbers. I didn't I
didn't understand that they were
[25:58] supposed to be combined. So, I took the
highest number of the two numbers and
[26:04] that's what we budgeted. So then when we
started talking about separating those
[26:09] two and creating its own department, I
had to go back to the original numbers
[26:14] from the judge's office and figure out
what those were. So that was my mistake.
[26:19] I asked you that that was supposed to be
combined.
[26:23] » Yeah, that we should have one set of
money.
[26:26] » It was going to be
a
[26:29] » I didn't.
>> So essentially it was a typo because
[26:35] Yeah,
the auditor assistant name
[26:43] instead of combining that was
>> okay. So just if anyone's looking
[26:49] through the proposed budget versus what
we have in front of us, it was just
[26:54] there's several changes in this
department based upon a miscommunication
[26:58] and typo and it has been corrected.
Okay.
[27:03] I just want people to know these things
if they look at it and say that's not
[27:06] what y'all originally voted on. I want
people to understand
[27:10] why it's different. Folks
[27:37] Commissioner mentioned on the 175
>> maybe the contingency we should rename
[27:44] it to
>> emergency response or something
[27:48] like
>> unless you want to leave it like it is.
[27:52] » I'm I'm fine I'm fine doing that either
way. I mean, that's that's monies that
[27:56] you never really want to use because if
you're using those monies, it means
[28:00] something something significant has
happened. Uh, you know, Shel Shelby
[28:04] always kept uh
>> Yes.
[28:07] » 200,000 or $250,000 in there and, you
know,
[28:11] » very rarely do we touch it. But, you
know, if if you have a if you have a
[28:15] flood or if you have a tornado or if you
have a bad fire and you know, you you've
[28:19] got you've got to rally troops, uh, that
that's what those monies are for. So
[28:25] that's
GO line item. It's 1756355724
[28:33] on page 38.
It was in our proposed budget at
[28:38] $66,948.32
[28:42] that has been increased to $240,000.
And the and the reasoning behind that is
[28:47] whenever
[28:52] » I think it's the uh humidifier
>> humidifier.
[28:55] » Um I think it's just turning off because
it's probably full. Tom Tom's doing that
[29:00] because it's it's the end of the year
and then it's he's just he's making the
[29:05] book balance for end of year.
>> Now we absorb the new department before
[29:08] we have that extra money every year.
>> Right.
[29:11] Sir, I would like to
when I asked about this, it's currently
[29:18] named contingency. I have concerns. I
don't want people to think that money
[29:22] can just be spent if it I didn't have
enough in this one, so I'm going to use
[29:26] it out of this contingency. If this fund
is for an emergency response, I'd like
[29:31] to rename it from contingency to
emergency response. And and then how do
[29:37] we
govern that, sir? is that the department
[29:41] can spend it at any time he feels is
necessary. Is that something has to go
[29:44] through your office?
>> I think I think it needs to come before
[29:47] the court.
>> Before the court. Yeah.
[29:49] » Well,
>> you know, it it
[29:54] » obviously in an emergency uh you know,
you're not you're not going to want to
[29:59] call an emergency meeting. Hey, you
know, this road washed out and we've got
[30:03] a you know, we've got rescue. You know,
something something like that. you're
[30:08] just you're going to save lives. Um
you're not going to call a special
[30:11] meeting. Hey, should we uh should we
save this person's life? Should we try
[30:15] to, you know, save their property? Yeah.
You we're going to move and and and
[30:21] we're going to make those things happen.
But uh yeah, I I don't have a problem,
[30:25] Commissioner, if you want to rename it
to to that um
[30:30] or look at it look at it next year doing
it that way. Uh, you know, and I I don't
[30:37] care.
>> No.
[30:41] » Court, how do y'all feel about renaming
this from contingency to emergency
[30:46] response?
I would like to do that so it's clear
[30:50] what it's intended uses for.
[30:59] » I'm fine with it. Yes.
>> Yeah, I'm fine with that.
[31:04] » Me, too.
[31:20] On page 41
under Rodenbridge, we had
[31:25] our service manager
hourly was originally budgeted at
[31:31] $55,125.
That's been reduced back down to 52,500
[31:36] because that position is currently
vacant and it will have to be refilled
[31:40] at the starting pay. What page
>> that is page 44 unless I have a
[31:45] different print out than you. I'm not
sure.
[31:47] » It's RHDM bridge that is 200 280 1063
>> page numbers change whenever you go from
[31:56] those two
to follow that.
[31:59] » Yes sir.
And then in the same department
[32:05] under equipment operator hourly
2006801065
[32:12] we had budgeted or proposed a budget of
$12,778.84
[32:19] that's been increased to $18,774.76
[32:24] is because um was it a lateral move I
believe. No, it was we just had the
[32:29] wrong number. They were vacant.
>> Well, we're increasing it by $6,000.
[32:38] » I I remember an email
>> that said.
[32:44] » Okay.
[33:26] I thank the court for listening to my uh
request and going through that with me.
[33:31] Those are all those that I found that I
wanted to bring up.
[33:33] » Thank you again, Commissioner.
>> Thank you, Commissioner.
[33:36] » Thank you.
>> Yeah. Thank you, indeed.
[33:54] Judge.
>> Yes, sir.
[33:56] » Uh, we can speak about anything, right?
About about the budget.
[33:59] » Budget. Yeah.
>> Okay. Great. Okay. Just making sure I
[34:02] know about Just making sure.
[34:05] Gentlemen, um, audience, people that are
here,
[34:10] on the last one, we talked about, we
talked about moving the
[34:15] the 911, the permitting the special
projects to be moved to EMC, the
[34:20] emergency management coordinator.
>> Not it's not moving it. It's that that
[34:24] department is is not combining. Yes,
it's moving, not combining with
[34:29] » not combining. Okay. But moving it out
of like Roden Bridge,
[34:33] » yes,
>> I don't have a I don't have a problem
[34:35] with that. Now, it was brought to my
attention that there may be a statue
[34:39] that makes it uh to where it has to stay
with Roden Bridge. I looked it up with
[34:44] TAC and no, there's no uh statute that
delegates it to Roden Bridge. There's no
[34:48] AG opinion. There's no guidance of any
kind. It's subject to an interpretation.
[34:52] So, with that with that being said, I
did do my due diligence on looking all
[34:58] that up, but there is there is a
[35:05] they say there's a road and bridge
administrator, I mean a engineer that
[35:09] the driveway permits, the waterline
permitting and all that.
[35:13] It should stay under road and bridge,
that's where it should stay. But there's
[35:17] no statute saying that. So, it does not
have to stay under there. So, I'm just
[35:21] voicing my opinion on this because there
is no statue on that and I made sure
[35:26] that there wasn't one on there before I
came up here and I talked about
[35:29] anything. So, my opinion is to go ahead
and uh move it out of Road and Bridge uh
[35:35] take care of it. Now, at one time Roaden
Bridge did put in u an employee into
[35:41] this and it made it work very well, but
we can't pull an employee out of this
[35:45] now because Lupy would be the one and we
can't do that because it works well. And
[35:49] I've had meetings with Jim already and
uh if Jim one day cuz every all of us
[35:53] retire eventually he gets out Lupy's the
next one in line and she's very bright
[35:57] at this. She's still taking schooling
licenses and everything. So she has to
[36:01] she has to stay there. So she has to
stay at that at that department. I agree
[36:05] with that 100%.
But at one time that was um an employee
[36:10] of road of road and bridge department.
So what I would what I would like to see
[36:15] done is it moved out of road and bridge
the 911 permitting special projects it
[36:21] be moved out of there not combined with
EMC but moved out the driveway permits
[36:25] and the waterline permitting to stay
with road and bridge but what I would
[36:30] like to see is adding on the employee
that they lost when all this was done
[36:36] which would be one at uh the pay would
be 40,000 of course that's the starting
[36:42] pay and basically basically a
secretarial position to help out at road
[36:45] and bridge and to take care of the
driveway permits and waterline
[36:49] permitting and they have a big load
there. I go by there quite a bit and
[36:53] they do have a big load there and the
lady the young lady that's there taking
[36:56] care of it right now. She does a
fabulous job. She's hasn't failed me yet
[37:00] but eventually you know it there is a
lot of there's a lot of work there. So
[37:04] only my opinion again this is some re
research and homework that I did. I
[37:09] would like to see them not lose that uh
employee that they put into over here,
[37:15] but we can't yank loopy out of there
anymore. Um to be put in at 40,000 plus
[37:20] all the fringe would be 575 57,5708.
[37:26] Last fiscal year, the total collected by
driveway permits and waterline
[37:31] permitting was 174,650.
That was the fiscal year of 224 225.
[37:38] this fiscal year 220 225 to 226 year to
date they've collected 100 135,000 so I
[37:45] know we can't judge it as well we make
this amount of money so we pay for it
[37:49] there we're not supposed to do it that
way but just to go ahead and be
[37:52] transparent there is there the the funds
are there to put in this employee back
[37:57] with road and bridge and give them uh an
employee that can be there at 40
[38:01] starting off at 40,000 to take care of
all the driveway uh permits the
[38:06] waterline permitting and to assist the
person that we have there in just
[38:10] general work. I did sit and talk with
Jim and Jim did say that they were more
[38:15] than happy to assist whatever person it
is, male or female
[38:20] uh to get them started up to train them.
They would take the time to train them
[38:24] whatever they had to do to change it
out. I guess I don't know a lot about
[38:28] computers. I'm not a computer guru but
whatever else would be done in that
[38:31] technical side of it they would assist
in doing that to change it over to road
[38:34] and bridge and they would assist the
person learning all to learn all of this
[38:39] before they were let go this is again
this is only my opinion folks and I'm
[38:43] sorry that I didn't speak with you know
I think I mentioned it to commissioner 2
[38:48] cuz he came by to visit me a couple of
times but I didn't speak to anybody else
[38:51] about it I'm throwing it out there this
is what I believe
[38:55] » that's essentially Lupy's job she's
going to continue to do that job. Why
[38:58] would you why would you tax the the the
public with a a whole another position
[39:04] and then what's Lupy going to do? What's
Jim I mean that's that's your job.
[39:08] » I tal I'm sorry judge I talked to Jim
about it and I told Jim Jim what is the
[39:14] percentage that that Lupy does on road
and bridge or that y'all do for road and
[39:18] bridge in that office? And I said
compared to everything that you do in
[39:22] the county he said 10%. I said, "So if
that would be if that would be taken out
[39:26] of there, you're losing 10% of the
work." I said, "Y'all wouldn't just sit
[39:30] there idle and do anything." He laughed.
He said, "No." He goes, "No." He goes,
[39:33] "And we would find something else to
do." I said, "So if that's t if the
[39:37] driveway permits and waterline permit is
taken out of there," he said, "that
[39:40] would only be 10% taken out of what we
do."
[39:42] » So you're going to create a position and
do a job that is that's 10% of a current
[39:47] position. It doesn't make any sense.
>> No. No. I'm sorry, judge. No, that's why
[39:52] I began when I began saying it, I said
that the lady that the person that we
[39:56] have right now that's doing the job in
Road and Bridge has a lot of work there.
[39:59] It has never failed me on anything that
I've asked and everything. But I've seen
[40:04] there I don't work. I'm only one vote up
here. So I've seen that I believe that
[40:08] they may need assistance there. If they
don't, if our engineer says that they
[40:12] don't need assistance there, they don't.
That was just me as a county
[40:15] commissioner throwing that out there.
But no, I would not put somebody to do
[40:19] 10% of their and so no, it's not it's
only 10% by Jim's word out of there. And
[40:26] I'm not I don't want to put a make a
position of $40,000 to take care of 10%
[40:30] of the work. It's to assist Road and
Bridge to take care of whatever needs
[40:34] they have. But if y'all believe that it
doesn't need it, I'm only one vote. I'm
[40:38] fine with that.
>> You're you're just asking for Roaden
[40:41] Bridge to get another secretary,
>> another assistant. Yes. at a $40,000 to
[40:47] help them with the driveway permit. And
you're you're right, they don't have to
[40:50] keep it there. It doesn't have to be
moved because there's not a statute.
[40:54] That's why I did all that research on
there is not a statute. So, it does not
[40:57] have to be moved. This is just something
I'm throwing out there.
[41:00] » Yeah. If it's just 10% of Loopy's job,
and Jim told me the same thing. It's 10%
[41:04] when it's busy, maybe 30%. Why would you
why would you create a whole another
[41:08] position whenever Lupy and Jim can
already do it at a very minimal impact
[41:13] of the job that they're doing with
everything else? It it doesn't make it
[41:17] doesn't make taxpayer monetary sense.
>> Yes, sir. Judge,
[41:22] » it makes sense to me that uh
the road and the water transfer stuff
[41:29] should stay with Roen Bridge
and the driveways. Not only is they
[41:35] doing the permit work, there's the
inspection work that needs to be done.
[41:43] » That gym is our 911 inspection that will
continue to do.
[41:48] » Is he able to do it all?
>> We've been doing it.
[41:51] » I mean, but there's a lot of work to be
done.
[41:54] » He's been doing it for almost eight
years.
[41:58] » How does that impact Road and Bridge? I
mean, I would like to hear what Wayne
[42:04] has to say about how that's going to
impact
[42:07] » guys. Y'all y'all are men, y'all y'all
are I I can I can quote you the the I I
[42:13] can pull the code up. It's your
decision. It it's your decision. It's
[42:18] that the the position is there. It's not
changing anything. Jim and Ly both said,
[42:24] "Hey, we're we we want to continue to do
the work."
[42:28] » You're correct. They did say,
>> "Yeah, that's they it why tax
[42:34] another employee
[42:38] to to the taxpayers to do a job that's
already being done. It It makes zero
[42:45] zero taxpayer dollar sense to me. It
makes zero sense to me in all sudge. I'm
[42:51] just trying to find out some
information.
[42:57] Can I hear from you and see how it's
going to impact you?
[43:02] » Let me just add to my two cents. I asked
for a full-time position that I could
[43:07] fully justify and we're going to add a
new position full-time for a job that's
[43:13] already being done. That does not make
any sense.
[43:16] » Well, no one's adding anything. I'm
hearing I'm hearing opinion,
[43:19] » but it's being taken into consideration.
>> Yeah, it is because it was it was
[43:22] proposed. I'm just hearing how it's
going to affect his department.
[43:27] » Okay.
As I said the last time, this was never
[43:30] discussed
>> uh with our group with me.
[43:36] » I think just how's it going?
>> And the way this the way this is going
[43:40] to affect this is we have direct
streamline coordination when we need it
[43:46] to affect the changes we need to in the
roadway right away.
[43:52] I mean, we've we've managed the permit,
the uh the permitted water lines, the
[43:57] driveways. We interact with Jim all the
time, give him the support that he
[44:01] needs. We go out there and give our
expertise
[44:04] by making this change, which is
absolutely makes no sense in my opinion.
[44:09] Uh uh and there's no reason for it. It's
working well. But by making this change
[44:15] now, you're putting a barrier to us
going out and doing the inspections of
[44:19] our driveways and managing the rightway.
You can shake your head if you want to,
[44:22] judge, but that's the facts and the the
the facts of the matter is is that we
[44:29] need to manage that right away and it
affects our maintenance. th those
[44:34] decisions that occur
uh affect you know that that occur can
[44:40] affect the maintenance of them and can
affect them very quickly and that's we
[44:43] need to keep that with us. So to do that
what we'll do is we'll actually enhance
[44:47] the the management of that uh but we
will need somebody to go ahead and help
[44:52] keep up with the paperwork
and uh that that goes along with it.
[44:57] make sure we do the coordination and
then we'll have inspectors that are
[45:01] actually going out in the field much
more frequently managing those water
[45:05] lines. So yes, we do need the person and
I do recommend that we go ahead and keep
[45:10] the the uh the functionality of the
driveways and the waterline permitting
[45:15] with road and bridge.
>> Question commissioner.
[45:18] » So currently we're trying to just
make a new department special projects.
[45:25] That's what commissioner uh Rosales is
is suggest is is suggesting a whole new
[45:31] position to do what we're already doing
that we already have a position for.
[45:37] » Well, no. Okay. So, what's what special
projects now? I mean, isn't it a part of
[45:41] Roden Bridge?
>> It is current. It it got moved to Roden
[45:45] Bridge about just before I got here. Um
maybe maybe right after I got elected,
[45:52] it got moved, but it's it's it was
always a a department on its own and
[45:56] that's what we're just taking it back
to. It's not gonna again it doesn't
[45:59] affect anything that that the road and
bridge department does. U Jim and and
[46:04] Lupy will still do everything that they
do and and you've heard you heard Wayne
[46:09] say that it that it worked great. Um
you've heard everybody else say
[46:12] » it works great when it's when it's part
of the road and bridge department.
[46:15] » But what I I'm I'm not going to argue
with you. Do you have any more questions
[46:19] for uh Mr. Gizler?
>> No.
[46:22] » I got one question. And why was it moved
to start with?
[46:25] » Because it so much of the work Go have a
seat, Wayne. So much of the work uh that
[46:30] that
um Ly and uh Jim do uh Jim approached me
[46:36] about it and said, "Look, it it's going
to this this is where where we need to
[46:42] be and this is why it makes sense." So
much of the permitting that they do as
[46:47] well, uh not just your your driveways,
the TCQ stuff. And Justin's not here.
[46:52] Justin can tell you uh a lot of those
things that that they do. I I don't sit
[46:57] in that office every day. Um
they both said this this is this is
[47:03] where we need to fall. Um there was
there was apparently talk I don't know
[47:08] this cuz I I didn't hear it but um there
was talk that that Roaden Bridge wasn't
[47:12] even going to keep special project 911
anymore. Um, so it it's the it's a move
[47:18] that uh that uh I know that that uh
incoming commissioners are are in favor
[47:24] of. Uh I'm in favor of the department
head and the employee are in favor of
[47:29] it. Uh so it it makes sense.
>> What's the reason for moving them?
[47:37] uh the the handinhand work that that Jim
and Justin, emergency management
[47:42] coordinator, do together.
[47:51] So the the budget code is 175 for both
emergency management and special
[47:56] projects. Does that signify a a unified
department? Tom, is that what that 175
[48:03] means?
separate department 175
[48:10] has
>> correct and what's that 17 different
[48:14] department
>> okay
[48:22] » I'm sorry I didn't mean to stir up
anything I just at the time I you know I
[48:27] just threw it out I just threw my idea
out there and I apologize to stir up
[48:32] anything but
>> but it is it The judge is correct. They
[48:37] Jim and Lupy, they did say that they
would go ahead and keep on doing it.
[48:41] It's not a problem. They did say that
everything. This was just something I
[48:44] threw out there that, you know, I just
thought, well, since they it was an
[48:48] employer of Roaden Bridge at one time,
we move it over there. So, we just give
[48:51] them back that employee that they had.
And I'm sorry, ma'am. I didn't know that
[48:54] you had asked for anything or you that
never hit my table. So, I apologize for
[48:58] that. No, that's okay. No problem.
[49:06] court. I would like to comment on
essentially what I understand from
[49:09] Commissioner Rosales, he proposed adding
an additional staff member to Roaden
[49:13] Bridge to to help with the job. Uh but
we've also we've heard back and forth
[49:17] that we have two people that have been
trained up well and know how to do what
[49:21] they need to do and they say that
they're willing to continue to work in
[49:24] the way that they're working. I don't
feel it's necessary or a good use of
[49:29] funds to add an additional person. uh to
do a job that they are already doing and
[49:35] that they are doing well. If by moving
them to a standalone department they
[49:40] fail to work with roadm
I think it is our duty as a court to
[49:46] manage them properly and if they fail to
work with rodenbridge we shall take
[49:51] action on that.
[50:16] Again,
[50:28] like I said, the only reason that I came
up with it was because it was their
[50:32] employee at one time. I'm just I just,
you know, tried to put it back. Put
[50:36] their employee back. But it's up
ultimately it's up to you. There's four
[50:39] other people here. I'm fine with it.
whichever way y'all want to do it.
[50:45] And I'm sure I mean our engineer is
going to work with it either way.
[51:00] I just feel like permits that have to do
with the
[51:04] roden bridge like the bar ditches and
the entrances just say with the roen
[51:10] bridge. That's just my opinion.
[51:34] Jennifer, we're kind of It sounds like
we're kind of there's a lot of different
[51:37] opinions on this one here.
>> You're you're commissioner. You're
[51:41] entitled to have an opinion. You're
elected to have an opinion. You're
[51:44] elected to make a decision.
>> Of course,
[51:49] there's there's no legal opinion needed
here. You're you're
[51:53] » you're working on the budget.
>> I know.
[51:57] I'll go ahead and uh make the motion of
what I just stated right now to go ahead
[52:02] and leave the department out, move
driveway permits, waterline permitting
[52:06] to road and bridge and go ahead and add
them uh an extra personnel to pay at
[52:12] 40,000 with fringen all the $57,578
for the one that they let this
[52:20] department have. I'll second it.
Okay, we got a motion in a second to to
[52:25] take that action in the budget. Uh all
those in favor with your right hand.
[52:30] Obvious. Uh any opposed? Obvious. So
there you go. So we're creating a new
[52:39] position. Is that correct?
>> Yes. Well, a position they had.
[52:44] » You're you're creating a new position in
Road and Bridge department for $40,000
[52:48] plus all the fringe.
[52:56] The majority of the court is Yes, sir.
[53:01] What would be the name of the
[53:05] don't know?
>> I I stated as a secretarial position. I
[53:08] don't It's a 40 thou. It's a 40,000.
[53:22] Do we I don't know what I don't know
what to call them. I call my girls in my
[53:26] office a secretary. So, I thought it was
a secretarial position. Unless there's a
[53:30] fancier name for it, then
>> suggestion.
[53:35] » Yes.
>> Excuse me.
[53:39] a job description. Well, in the way I
said a secretary usually have job
[53:44] descriptions, right? I'm sure there's
one already set for a secretary.
[53:47] » There is uh what I would do with this
one uh court is I would go ahead and uh
[53:53] leave it heavily administrative
assistant and that's probably the way to
[53:56] do it right now, but I will probably go
ahead and uh make it so have it give it
[54:02] a more of a permit coordination
event and I can come up with a job
[54:06] description. So, I'll be glad to do
that. And but it'll be an administrative
[54:10] permit position essentially
if if that pleases you. If you want to
[54:16] call it administrative assistant, that's
fine, too.
[54:22] I really do apologize that I did not
have that f that name for it. I, you
[54:28] know, I do apologize. Just secretarial
position. That's what I thought. But
[54:33] yeah.
[54:46] and that's all I have.
[54:51] Well, I got one thing. Um, after our
budget workshop
[54:57] and what you say, Sergeant Biggins said
that we didn't need to pay the
[55:02] secretary.
>> You need to talk to the microphone. Uh,
[55:05] Sergeant Biggan said that we didn't need
to pay the DPS secretary
[55:10] for part-time work that she was doing
for the county. Well, I did a little
[55:16] research on this and we've been paying
part of her salary for since 2016
[55:24] and uh
I really didn't know where to go with
[55:28] this.
So, I spoke to a retired uh
[55:33] county judge, but first I talked to our
county auditor. He was a county auditor
[55:38] in Wilson County at this time, and he is
the one that told me that it started in
[55:42] 2016.
So, I called uh retired judge Jackson.
[55:48] He remembered the agreement for Kins
County to pay their their share of the
[55:52] secretary salary.
And he remembered it. It was an
[55:57] agreement uh that um
then Sergeant Hanky was working on
[56:06] and he contacted Judge Long and they
came up with this agreement.
[56:12] Um
so when I spoke to uh Mr. Hanky. He said
[56:18] that there was not enough work in Kins
County for a full-time secretary and
[56:23] they could not find a part-time
secretary that was qualified.
[56:28] So, an agreement was made between KS and
Wilson County for KS County to pay a
[56:33] percentage of their salary.
[56:37] So, Commissioner Rosales and I spoke to
Sergeant Biggins yesterday and we talked
[56:41] to him today.
He said that he thought that the Korns
[56:46] County portion of the payment was in
addition to salary and that wasn't the
[56:52] agreement. The agreement was to pay
harder per salary.
[56:57] So after explaining the agreement to
him, he agreed that the best thing for
[57:01] it was the best thing for Korns and
Wilson County at this time.
[57:06] Wilson County is asking for 30% of her
salary. That's $25,5243.
[57:16] Well, uh, Commissioner Rosales and I
spoke to Judge Whitman.
[57:22] He said he'd be comfortable with a 25%.
So, that'd be $20,960.
[57:28] So, we'd be saving $5,000 there. And uh
the reason this all started was it was
[57:34] doing this was to save Kins County money
without having to provide a position,
[57:41] office space, office furniture, office
supplies.
[57:45] And uh so we been paying part of her
salary.
[57:53] » Judge man,
Commissioner, are you are you done or
[57:57] you got more?
Well, we'll be saving $5,000 and I think
[58:01] it is the uh
I guess a neighborly thing to do since
[58:06] she's doing part of our work.
[58:12] Uh
25% of her salary would be $20,960.36.
[58:21] I don't think we should expect Wilson
County to pay paying for work that she's
[58:24] doing for KS County.
Commissioner Beatatric,
[58:32] Commissioner Lissa, you said that it was
an agreement. Is there a written
[58:34] agreement that you're aware of on this
one?
[58:36] » No.
Commissioner, I'm not comfortable
[58:40] entering into any agreements without it
being in writing. I would love to
[58:43] entertain anou with Wilson County if
that's what we need to do, but I I don't
[58:48] want any just verbal agreements.
[58:58] It start it started at 10 or $15,000.
Sergeant Hinky uh said said that. Yes.
[59:04] Um
I I don't know why this is such a big
[59:09] deal. I mean, Sergeant Biggins came to
me last year and said, "Hey, we we we
[59:15] don't need to do this." So again, he
came this year and he said, "For sure we
[59:20] do not need to do this." Corporal Gentry
said, "I don't know why why Sergeant
[59:26] Hinky even did that." In the beginning,
I told him it was a bad idea. Sergeant
[59:30] Biggins, whenever y'all called, when you
called him again um the other day, he
[59:36] text me. I was in court and he came over
and he said, "We don't need to do that.
[59:42] It is not affecting anything that we
do." I went I Sergeant Biggin said he
[59:48] went to HR in Wilson County and said,
"Will this affect Gina's salary in any
[59:56] way?" Absolutely not. Essentially,
you're wanting to give Wilson County
[1:00:01] $20,000 for
when whenever the department head, you
[1:00:06] have the sergeant telling you, "We don't
need this." Why do you want to give
[1:00:10] Wilson County $20,000 so bad? So
essentially you're saying that uh
[1:00:17] Wilson County is paying her to do our
work and we shouldn't pay.
[1:00:22] » I'm not saying that. I'm telling you
what Sergeant Biggin told me.
[1:00:25] » Well, that's what it amounts to. She's
doing work for Corn County. Wilson
[1:00:28] County is paying for it.
>> That's not That's not true.
[1:00:31] » Who's paying for it?
[1:00:36] » And he asked he asked me if if I needed
him to come.
[1:00:40] He he he's
>> well that's
[1:00:47] » right.
[1:00:57] » Okay. Her staff their staff is a
secretary in Wilson County, right?
[1:01:06] » But DPS is not paying her salary. Wilson
County.
[1:01:29] It it Gina doesn't get that. Gina She
doesn't get that money.
[1:01:34] » You're giving You're giving
>> She doesn't get the money. If we
[1:01:37] supplement her, if we pay 25%
of her salary, she's getting the
[1:01:44] » She doesn't see Wilson County is paying
that salary or or the or the or DPS is
[1:01:49] paying that salary. Yes, I'm telling you
what what the sergeant, the DPS sergeant
[1:01:54] has told me for the last two years. And
he was he was upset. He text me. He
[1:01:58] said, "I'm coming over to talk to you,
judge. I was sitting on the bench. I had
[1:02:01] criminal court." And whenever I got done
with court, I walked down and he was in
[1:02:05] there and he's like, "I don't understand
why this is being pushed. I He It makes
[1:02:11] zero sense to me.
I put in the proposed budget to take
[1:02:16] that out based on what DPS the people
that work with these people with that
[1:02:22] person with that department said take it
out last year take it out this year I
[1:02:28] removed it this year we don't have any
agreement in place we're just
[1:02:32] willy-nilly writing a check to Wilson
County and that's not okay
[1:02:38] » sorry for getting but that's
>> why' we do it for 10 years it was done
[1:02:43] for
>> why did we do it for 10 years.
[1:02:45] » There bound to have been a reason.
>> Why did we do it for 10 years? Great
[1:02:50] question.
>> Just as what judge I mean this is what
[1:02:53] uh Sergeant Hanky said that there wasn't
enough work.
[1:02:58] » Is Sergeant Hanky still employed with
DPS?
[1:03:01] » Is he the sergeant in K County right
now?
[1:03:03] » He's the one that brokered this deal.
>> Correct. He brokered the deal. That's a
[1:03:06] that's a good way to put it. Okay,
>> that's it's a good way to put it
[1:03:10] » there because he was trying to help Kins
County because
[1:03:12] » Is he the current sergeant in K finish?
Okay.
[1:03:18] » He said that there was not enough work.
We have three troopers in Kins County.
[1:03:25] We have six troopers in Wilson County.
There wasn't enough work in Kins County
[1:03:32] at the time to have a full-time
secretary. they could not find
[1:03:39] a part-time secretary that was qualified
to do the job. So that's when the
[1:03:44] agreement was made between Wilson County
and Kins County for Kins County to pay
[1:03:49] part of her salary because three of the
DPS are working in K County.
[1:03:55] » Who is the current sergeant for DPS
that's over KS Wilson County?
[1:03:59] » Sergeant Biggins. What did I put in the
proposed budget that Sergeant Biggins
[1:04:04] asked me to do on behalf of DPS as a
sergeant of Wilson KS? What did I put in
[1:04:09] the budget?
[1:04:13] You can say I removed it. I took it out
based on what he asked me to do. Period.
[1:04:25] » Gentlemen, may I
>> Yes, please. I I want to reiterate,
[1:04:30] y'all were just asking the question, why
did we do it? And that is something that
[1:04:34] as a the newest commissioner on this
court, I've had to search for that
[1:04:38] answer and several things that we've
worked on. And that's uh you know, I've
[1:04:42] had to go searching through
commissioner's court minutes from 2008
[1:04:47] and older and in between just to try to
find some of those answers. It's been a
[1:04:53] real struggle. I believe it is extremely
important for us that we none of us will
[1:04:58] be here forever and for the people who
come 20 years after us. They need to be
[1:05:02] able to answer that question. Why did we
do it? And so if we are going to support
[1:05:07] this position, we need to have an
written agreement with the other county
[1:05:12] clearly expressing why we are doing it
and and what everyone is expected to do.
[1:05:19] » Do you remember you were county at I
mean county at the time. What do you
[1:05:23] remember,
>> buddy?
[1:05:42] » Judge, may I?
>> Yes, sir.
[1:05:44] » Thank you. Back in 2016, I was here in
2016. I don't remember. Sorry. I don't
[1:05:50] remember everything about it, but I do
remember that when it first began, we
[1:05:53] started with 10,000. 10,000. We thought
it was a pretty good deal because we
[1:05:58] were going to be they were going to be
taking care of all the paperwork for us
[1:06:00] and all that. And we didn't have to
supply like Commissioner 2 said, we
[1:06:03] didn't have to supply housing, office
furniture, office supplies and
[1:06:07] everything. So 10,000 seemed pretty
good. And then I believe on 2017 we did
[1:06:11] it again to 10,000. And then I was out
18 and 19. I came back in 20 I believe.
[1:06:16] And I think we were still doing it. Now,
last year, I guess this year, the fiscal
[1:06:20] year 2025 2026, I think it went up to
27,000. I'm not sure why it went up so
[1:06:26] high, and I don't have a lot of uh
details on it, but I commissioner 2 did
[1:06:32] go by my office and he sat down and he
did call uh Sergeant Biggins. Sergeant
[1:06:38] Biggins, and he said, "Uh, Sergeant,
Commissioner Rosales is present here. Do
[1:06:44] you mind if I put you on speaker phone?"
He said, "No, not at all." So he put me
[1:06:47] on speaker phone. I said, "Sergeant, how
you doing, sir?" And he said, "Fine,
[1:06:49] commissioner." And you know, we greeted
each other and everything. And
[1:06:53] Commissioner 2 proceeded to question him
about what what was going on with what
[1:06:58] was going on with uh why the monies
weren't asked from Wilson County to be
[1:07:04] put back in there. And his and I could
be wrong. I don't want to put words in
[1:07:09] his m in his mouth, but this is what I
remember in my office that he did state
[1:07:13] that he thought that that was like um
not not a bonus, but an additional fund
[1:07:20] an additional benefit that KS County was
giving Wilson County to add to that to
[1:07:25] that position. But no, uh I went ahead
and I said, "No, that's not an that's
[1:07:29] not additional funds or anything." He
said, "Oh, okay." And uh Commissioner 2
[1:07:34] proceeded to talk to him about that. And
then I kind of stepped in and I did
[1:07:38] question him. I told him, "So, how did
this how did this come up? How did you
[1:07:43] know how did we not how are we not
paying now?" He said, "Well, again," he
[1:07:47] said, "I thought it was for that." And
he mentioned he said, "Well, K City, I
[1:07:51] thought we'd pull it basically, not
exact words, but this is what he meant.
[1:07:55] I thought we'd pull it out of there and
then we'd have someone to help us in K
[1:08:00] in K County." And I said, "So, hire
someone in K County?" And he said,
[1:08:05] "Yeah." And I said, "Okay, that I go
that would be part-time and we may not
[1:08:08] get someone with the qualifications of a
full-timer there." So, and he said, "Oh,
[1:08:13] okay." And we just kept on talking about
that and that's about to the extent to
[1:08:18] what I know what's going on on that. And
then on that part about uh biggin so he
[1:08:23] was a little bit from what I know and
I'm not saying anything because shoot I
[1:08:26] make mistakes all the time but it seemed
like it wasn't 100% uh there like um why
[1:08:33] it was why it was stopped. I didn't get
a full picture of he 100% knew why he
[1:08:38] had stopped it or he had said to stop
it. That's just from what I got from it.
[1:08:42] So commissioner um listen proceeded to
he hung up on him. We told him by and
[1:08:49] everything. Then he he called excuse me,
Judge uh
[1:08:54] Wilson Judge Whitman Hank and he called
Hank and he told Hank uh about this and
[1:09:01] Hank said he said no. He goes, "Well, we
don't have a problem. I mean, we can we
[1:09:05] can pay it all. We got it in the budget
already to go ahead and pay it off. We
[1:09:08] don't have no problems." And I know Hank
from a long time ago. And he said, "We
[1:09:12] don't have a problem um paying it all,
Commissioner." And I said, 'Yeah, I
[1:09:16] know, but y'all are doing work for us.
And he said, 'Yeah, of course, we're
[1:09:19] doing work for us for y'all. So, and
then Commissioner 2 proceeded to ask
[1:09:23] him, 'What is the percentage of work
that we're know what what amount of work
[1:09:27] we're doing? And I said, well, judge, I
go, I mean, me being in the county for
[1:09:32] so long, me just being a good neighbor,
everywhere I I'm at, I don't want to get
[1:09:37] something for free if I mean, we're, you
know, do we have to pay for it? you
[1:09:40] know, and then he said, "Well, just to
let you know, Commissioner," he goes,
[1:09:43] "We did have a statement from our county
attorney." And Jennifer, maybe you want
[1:09:46] to hear this. Oh, I know you're there,
but um he Judge Wilson County Judge said
[1:09:52] that their county attorney said, "We
can't be doing work for free for another
[1:09:57] county." And I said, "Oh, I didn't know
that." I said, "But I go, I'm not
[1:10:01] expecting that." I go, "Judge, I'm not
expecting that. Uh I don't mind paying
[1:10:06] if you're doing work for us. I don't
mind paying." And I go, "And what?"
[1:10:09] Sergeant Biggins told us that they do
have uh nine troopers, six for Wilson,
[1:10:14] three for Kins County. And I did ask
him, I told him, I'm not sure how to ask
[1:10:19] you, but are all the hours equal? How
many hours do they put in for KS County?
[1:10:22] Blah blah blah. Trying to kind of get a
percentage basis on it. And he did say
[1:10:26] they do 50 hours a week, but they're not
sworn just to KS County. They're not
[1:10:30] sworn just to Wilson County. These nine
troopers DPS can float around to Dallas,
[1:10:35] wherever they're wherever they're going
to need them. they could float around.
[1:10:38] So, they're not 100% sure that they're
going to be in K County or always doing
[1:10:43] 50 hours in Kins County nor in Wilson
County, but Wilson County still excuse
[1:10:49] me, Wilson County still pays for them.
And I said, "Okay." I said, "But your
[1:10:54] county attorney did uh make that
statement in commissioner's court." He
[1:10:58] said, "Yes, I believe it was a
commissioner's court. I don't want to
[1:10:59] put those words in his mouth, but I'm
pretty sure that's what it was that he
[1:11:03] made the whoever. I don't know if it's a
male or female, but the county attorney
[1:11:06] over there.
>> Female.
[1:11:07] » Female. Okay. That she had stated that
Wilson County could not be doing free
[1:11:13] work for any other county like that and
that would be considered, I guess, free
[1:11:16] work on that. So, I don't know. I know
it's a budget hearing and everything,
[1:11:21] but that's kind of something that came
from another county attorney. So, what
[1:11:25] what do you have on that? The county can
choose to do free work for anyone.
[1:11:30] » I don't know. I don't know.
[1:11:38] Okay.
[1:11:47] » And I don't know, Mary, we were there.
You were there. I was there at that
[1:11:51] time. I don't know why there was a noou.
Why wasn't there no Why didn't we do
[1:11:56] » there when I got there?
>> It was there when you got there.
[1:12:01] » Oh, okay. What year did you get there?
[1:12:07] » Okay. So, it was right on the edge of it
when we did it.
[1:12:11] » Oh, I'm sorry. I didn't I didn't
[1:12:17] » I
[1:12:21] » We did.
>> It It faded off. Yes, ma'am. I just
[1:12:26] don't remember. And I'm sorry, folks.
And I don't remember if we had one.
[1:12:30] There's things that we had back in 2000,
2001 that I still state we had, but we
[1:12:34] can't find them. So things just get lost
over the years, 20, 30 years.
[1:12:39] I I just I don't remember, judge, if we
had anything written down, but I would
[1:12:44] imagine we would have had something
written down, ma'am.
[1:12:48] » Some words. Yes, ma'am.
>> But we might have done it back then. We
[1:12:54] There was a lot of things that got done
and just, you know, just voting on it in
[1:12:58] commissioner's court.
[1:13:03] But that's the information uh gentlemen.
Um folks, that's the information that I
[1:13:08] have. I have the information from when
Commissioner 2 went to my office and he
[1:13:13] did call all these folks in front of me.
And everything that I quoted to y'all is
[1:13:17] basically not word for word of course,
but it is what was told to me by
[1:13:22] Sergeant Biggins and by Judge Wilson
County Judge Hank Whitman.
[1:13:30] » Sheriff, you were a trooper in K County
for quite a few years whenever this was
[1:13:34] going on. I see you back there and I'm
I'm gonna uh let you come up and speak
[1:13:39] because I I I know I can see it in your
eye.
[1:13:41] » Great conversation. So um yeah and uh
Hanky was my sergeant at one time too. U
[1:13:49] so
to coil any any uh fears DPSO is always
[1:13:56] going to be here. It's statemanded that
they are mandated to work crashes in
[1:13:59] rural parts of the state.
Be it we have a place for them to stay
[1:14:04] or not. They have to come. They have a
secretary or not. They have to come.
[1:14:07] That's their job. They'll always come.
They won't they won't deny you that
[1:14:11] first off.
>> Um, as far as the secretary over in in
[1:14:16] Wilson County, again, don't quote me
either, right?
[1:14:19] » Yes, sir.
>> It's been a minute for me, too. But it's
[1:14:22] my understanding that he wanted to keep
that secretary because she was really
[1:14:25] good. And at the time, Wilson County
didn't pay as well as apparently as they
[1:14:28] pay now.
>> And that was a way to keep her and like
[1:14:31] he kept her, but now he doesn't work
here anymore. And it looks like that was
[1:14:35] taken care of through HR or whatever.
And now she's being paid what she's
[1:14:38] worth. And that's great.
Uh, if you want my opinion on it, if
[1:14:42] Sergeant Big says he doesn't want
something, then you shouldn't shouldn't
[1:14:45] push the issue. Just he knows what he
needs over there. I'm not real sure why
[1:14:50] we're arguing about this. I really
>> on a $70 million budget where we're
[1:14:54] arguing on $20,000. Why?
>> So, we had a secretary here at one time
[1:14:59] that was Lupy Schneider. Uh, there was
some other ones, too, but she's now in
[1:15:04] the special projects. Um,
but I had moved on to commercial vehicle
[1:15:12] enforcement
and my secretary is in Victoria at that
[1:15:16] time, but we serviced nine counties and
none of the nine counties contributed to
[1:15:21] Victoria. So, I haven't heard of that
before.
[1:15:26] It was a kind of a one-off when I heard
that we were doing that for Wilson. And
[1:15:32] that's fine if you're doing it, but
that's just kind of a one-off to me.
[1:15:35] I've not heard of such things.
>> It doesn't have to get done.
[1:15:37] » No. So, but here's the here's the thing
too we have to think about. So, there's
[1:15:42] also talk because again I still talk to
DPS. I work with them. Right. There's
[1:15:46] still talk of hey, and this has happened
before. Remember when I was you were
[1:15:51] there? Remember when I was in HP?
>> Mhm.
[1:15:54] » Right. 2015ish. I covered Wilson County,
>> KS County here where I was stationed,
[1:16:00] but also Golad County. I don't remember
Goliath County contributing to Wilson
[1:16:05] County.
>> You're right.
[1:16:07] » But I worked all three counties.
>> You're right.
[1:16:09] » And sometimes by myself
and that was sometimes we had a
[1:16:14] secretary and sometimes we didn't have
one in that position. Right. My
[1:16:17] paperwork still flowed up to Wilson
County. We still got everything done,
[1:16:21] but I was always there for you
>> whether we had one or not. So, I'm just
[1:16:27] saying it's kind of a mood point. if he
doesn't want it. I mean, there's really
[1:16:32] no sense in arguing about it. I was
texting him saying, "Hey, they're still
[1:16:35] discussing your
money that's being sent over there." And
[1:16:40] he's like kind of frustrated with it,
honestly, on the text. And he's like, "I
[1:16:43] don't know why."
>> Really,
[1:16:44] » for real, I have it right here if you
want.
[1:16:46] » I trust I trust I trust you 100%. I
trust you 100%.
[1:16:49] » So, I was thinking you reverse roles.
>> If Corn County was paying
[1:16:57] » Yeah.
>> paying the whole globe.
[1:16:59] » Yeah. Well, if we had
>> You mean if we had six troopers over
[1:17:02] here?
>> Yeah.
[1:17:03] » And a sergeant.
>> If we had nine troopers over here,
[1:17:06] » that would be that would be kind of
>> Well, you got six there, three here.
[1:17:10] » Okay. Correct. If the role was reversed,
>> we're paying the whole bill, paying the
[1:17:16] ticket,
>> but you would also get the benefit of
[1:17:18] the sergeant being here and the six
troopers plus the other three at your
[1:17:22] disposal anytime you want. Those
troopers do make it up there and work up
[1:17:25] there a lot of the times,
>> but they're doing work. they'd be doing
[1:17:28] work for Wilson County and I just feel
like if they're doing work for us and
[1:17:33] not getting paid for I mean why aren't
we paying our parts?
[1:17:35] » So it's not so much sir that they're
doing work for us. They're doing work
[1:17:38] for the state of Texas and this is part
of their job.
[1:17:42] » State of Texas is not paying them.
They're not paying her salary.
[1:17:47] Wilson County is paying yourself.
>> That's correct. Yep. And Victoria is in
[1:17:52] the same boat. Yep. And in most of your
larger counties are paying for them.
[1:17:57] That's correct.
>> And they just help out the smaller
[1:17:59] counties.
>> Yeah. So again, so what where I was
[1:18:02] going with it earlier is there's talk in
DPS again of redistricting. They do that
[1:18:08] from time to time. They shift wherever
the problems are. They shift. They put
[1:18:11] captions in different places. Right. So
there's talk of taking corns away from
[1:18:15] Wilson.
>> Go to golad. Put in
[1:18:18] » putting golad. They told us that. And so
we are going to be
[1:18:21] » not done yet.
>> Correct.
[1:18:23] » May not be done. And that's my point,
right? So what if they do that and
[1:18:26] you've given them $20,000 and now we
don't utilize them anymore. So I'm just
[1:18:31] there's so many variables there. But
what what if if they're talking about
[1:18:35] it, they're really seriously thinking
about it. So if this becomes now where
[1:18:39] the sergeant's going to sit, a new
sergeant, then you're you're you're
[1:18:43] going to get what you're asking for what
you were saying they have. So that's
[1:18:48] being looked at.
[1:18:51] Then then you'll need that secretary.
>> Sheriff, thank you for your insight. I I
[1:18:55] don't know.
>> Thank you, Sheriff.
[1:18:57] » Poor old horse laying there dead and
>> judge.
[1:19:01] » Yes, sir.
>> Court, everybody in the audience, I do
[1:19:05] ap I do apologize. The judge is stating
that Wiggins has told him two last year.
[1:19:13] Big
>> biggin, I'm so sorry. Uh, Sergeant
[1:19:15] Biggin has told him the last fiscal year
and his fiscal year.
[1:19:21] I I I talked to him and he didn't tell
me. The sheriff said he's messaging him
[1:19:26] and I trust sheriff 1,000%. One one
million% man. I trust him.
[1:19:32] I wish he would have told me. I if he
all he had to do was just tell me and I
[1:19:36] would it would be I would have came up
here and with a different with a
[1:19:40] different thing, but that was not told
to me. So I you know I hope y'all
[1:19:44] understand my part on to why I came up
here. I'm not fighting for it. I'm not
[1:19:48] fighting because I do understand these
budgets are big big big big. We started
[1:19:52] I think when I started 1920$20 million
budget. It was little back then. Now
[1:19:56] it's a big one. I don't think it was
that
[1:19:59] uh we we are working with a big budget
and it's only a few dollars. I just
[1:20:03] wanted to be a good neighbor and that's
what I wanted to do. I didn't know that
[1:20:06] we didn't have to do it. I wasn't aware,
thank you, sheriff, that the bigger
[1:20:09] counties have that and then they did
distribute the DPS, the corporate the
[1:20:14] corporals and everything to the other
counties as they see fit or however they
[1:20:18] need them. I wasn't aware of that. You
know, I do know a little bit about DPS,
[1:20:22] not as much as what you're explaining to
me right now. So, a a bigger county in
[1:20:26] the state of Texas, and I'm sorry,
judge, I brought him back in here. I
[1:20:28] know you told him, but I just asked him
one more question. But the bigger county
[1:20:32] say for an example Dallas Dallas is
gonna have so many Dallas is gonna have
[1:20:36] so many DPS and judge is that all right?
>> Yes. No, that that's a perfect point.
[1:20:41] » I'm trying to
>> No, no, that's a perfect point. So the
[1:20:44] captain and lieutenants are in San
Antonio and they have a lot of admin
[1:20:51] staff. Now I think a lot of those might
be state funded secretary positions, but
[1:20:56] what I'm trying to say is yes, it
depends on the population. They'll move
[1:21:00] the troopers there. And depending on
that, that's where they're going to have
[1:21:04] the secretaries. That's in San Antonio.
I don't believe that there's any county
[1:21:09] paid secretaries there. It's all in the
state, but yet
[1:21:13] they spread out to all the surrounding
counties that those captains
[1:21:17] encompass.
So,
[1:21:20] » yeah, Wilson County at this time,
county, county secretary. That may
[1:21:25] change. we had in Victoria County
Secretary, but they also have a state
[1:21:30] paid secretary that got changed. She was
county, but she state picked her up. So,
[1:21:36] it's all different. No, you're not
required. They're still going to come.
[1:21:38] They're still going to service us. I
>> understand.
[1:21:41] » And we do take care of them in in in the
meantime, too. When they're not here, we
[1:21:45] do work a lot of the crashes for them.
So,
[1:21:48] » and that's what that's what uh Judge
Hank Whitman said. He he was okay. He he
[1:21:53] he was smiling. I can't see his smile. I
was talking to him. He was he said he
[1:21:56] was fine that they already budgeted for
all of it that they were they were fine
[1:21:59] with paying for it. They didn't have a
problem with it. The only issue is it
[1:22:03] comes back to where my old school person
comes in. I I like to pay for what I
[1:22:07] get. But
>> you know that's my old that's my old
[1:22:09] school here. I guess I've been here too.
I don't know. That's old school. But if
[1:22:13] he's tell the judge two times and I you
know I trust and believe the judge and I
[1:22:18] trust you and everything. And if he's
messaging you right now I just wish he
[1:22:21] would have and I think he's a great guy.
He speaks real good. Right. You know, I
[1:22:25] kind of know him, too. Um, I just wish
he would have told me. It would have
[1:22:28] been easy. Would have been easier. But
that's fine. That's fine. I on my part,
[1:22:33] I'll just leave it out. I'll leave it
out to you because, uh, the judge that
[1:22:36] we have in Wisconsin is a great judge
and he said that it was not a problem.
[1:22:39] Either way, they're going to make it
happen. They're not going to stop
[1:22:42] anything. He he was really really nice
about it. I did tell them that I would
[1:22:46] do my best to help being a good
neighbor. But I mean, if nobody if
[1:22:51] nobody else is paying for it, I don't
want to seem like I'm being stingy or
[1:22:54] ugly or not a good neighbor. I feel even
bad about doing it this way. But
[1:22:58] » but if this is done like this
everywhere,
[1:23:01] » yeah, law enforcement wise,
>> and if Sergeant Biggins big has asked
[1:23:05] for this two years in a row,
>> what are we doing right now? So, no, law
[1:23:10] enforcement wise, I know we're good
neighbors 100%. I'm not proposing to
[1:23:14] just give them money. I'm proposing to
pay our share and be a good number.
[1:23:20] » Again, this commissioner court's uh
decision to make. So,
[1:23:25] » thank you, Sheriff.
>> Yes, sir.
[1:23:26] » Thank you, sir. Very much. Thank you,
judge. Commissioner, thank you.
[1:23:30] » I didn't mean to make this any kind of
circus or anything like that. I'm just
[1:23:33] trying to get my mind straight before I
make my decisions up here. I'm not just
[1:23:36] going to come and make my decisions
because one person tells me something.
[1:23:40] I'm not that I'm not that person. And
I'm going to look at both sides. I'm
[1:23:42] going to look at three sides, four
sides, whatever. So, y'all know me. The
[1:23:45] ones that know me know me. And the ones
that don't, you'll learn. You'll get
[1:23:48] used to me. Well, if I'm here any
longer. But
[1:23:53] » how long how long have we paid paid
this?
[1:23:57] » How many years?
>> Since 2016. It was 10 10 14 and then
[1:24:03] like 18. I don't know. It went up like
ma'am.
[1:24:08] » It's in 16, right? Almost 10 years now.
for
[1:24:12] » that that I believe I don't remember if
there was or not. I I would say there's
[1:24:16] not, but I don't know if we did write
something at that time. So I I mean my
[1:24:20] opinion is um kind of like commissioner
three I mean we need to be a good
[1:24:27] neighbor but also commissioner one we
need to have something formal in place
[1:24:30] and I think we need to I'm fine putting
the money in the budget but I think we
[1:24:35] need to have anou before
that's approved and passed by court
[1:24:39] before we disperse that my opinion
[1:24:49] Well, you're saying to designate a line
item for that and then get anou and
[1:24:53] still help them out with that
>> if Yes. Yes. And I think I think I think
[1:24:58] at that point
>> we'll find out if if it's truly needed
[1:25:03] and if it's not then the money will go
back into the budget next year.
[1:25:10] I think I caused enough turmoil today,
so I'm going to stay.
[1:25:14] So, I I'm going to stay with just
leaving it the way it is. Wilson County
[1:25:18] judge was wonderful when I spoke with
him and he said that they will take care
[1:25:22] of it. I will I'm going to apologize to
him. I'll call him and I'll apologize to
[1:25:26] him, but I'll look deeper into it and
next year for one reason or another, if
[1:25:31] it's any different, I'll you know, I'll
jump in and I'll be the first one to
[1:25:34] make the vote on it. right now. I just
did not know that he's already came to
[1:25:38] the judge two years in a row and said
that. I was talking to him. He could
[1:25:42] have he could have told me. I think he's
a great guy, but I wish he would have
[1:25:44] told me.
[1:25:51] So, judge, do we need something on here
on discussion or just uh we need
[1:25:57] » I'll make the motion that we do it like
uh uh Wes said, put the money in the
[1:26:02] budget, look into it. If we don't need
it, it'll go back the next year
[1:26:08] » if we get anou.
>> Yeah, if we do that,
[1:26:10] » we have to get I'll second.
>> And if it Okay, we got a motion and a
[1:26:15] second. All those in favor? Right hand.
Anybody opposed?
[1:26:21] » Be specific with me, please, though. So,
you're putting
[1:26:25] » it. Put the money in.
[1:26:30] » But money as in how much?
[1:26:34] » Correct.
>> Motion fails.
[1:26:39] Did I see it?
[1:26:45] » I just need to be very specific on the
motion. If you're going to make it again
[1:26:50] so I know how to
>> Commissioner Liy, can you make the
[1:26:52] motion again for Jamie to record that
correctly?
[1:26:57] » I want to make the motion that we put uh
let's see, where was that?
[1:27:06] $20,960.36
[1:27:10] in the budget.
>> Commissioner Gizler seconded the vote uh
[1:27:14] failed uh due to 243.
>> You guys got to be more specific for me,
[1:27:20] right, Jennifer? You're just putting
20,000 where GL code the name of the GL
[1:27:25] code like all of that stuff.
>> We'd have to create a geo code, I guess.
[1:27:29] » Okay. Well, let's be specific about
that.
[1:27:31] » We're guys, give us a break.
>> I'm tired. I'm getting hungry
[1:27:38] here.
[1:27:43] » That motion filled as well. So, let's
let's go to the next. Let's do it again,
[1:27:49] but with all the detail. You have geo
code
[1:28:01] » 100 575
4221.
[1:28:06] Okay, here we go again.
[1:28:11] I'll make a motion that we put uh
$20,960.36
[1:28:18] in line item 105754221
[1:28:23] to supplement uh
the salary for the DPS secretary in
[1:28:31] Wilson County.
>> Okay. And Commissioner Gizler second.
[1:28:37] Did that hear it?
>> Yes.
[1:28:41] » And the vote was Commissioner Lissy and
Commissioner Gizler for and Commissioner
[1:28:48] Rosales, Commissioner Beatatric and
myself against.
[1:28:55] » Thank you, Jamie.
[1:29:02] It's all I got. It's
>> all I got. All I got.
[1:29:08] » I have nothing else.
Need a motion to adjurnn?
[1:29:12] » No. Needs the next one.
[1:29:20] » Do we want to take any action on the
budget? Did you just want to This is an
[1:29:25] action item. Discuss, approve,
disapprove.
[1:29:28] » No action on the on the judge on my
part. No accident. No action on the
[1:29:32] budget, judge.
>> Okay.
[1:29:33] » Jesus.
>> No action for me either.
[1:29:37] » No action.
>> All right.
[1:29:40] We just discussion on item number seven.
Okay. Hearing that then we will uh stop
[1:29:48] here and we will do our tax rate stuff
uh and potentially adopt the budget. Uh,
[1:29:58] so we do we don't we don't I mean we
have we still have a proposed budget. I
[1:30:01] guess that y'all got the changes that
were discussed today. Uh, and then on
[1:30:06] the 22nd of court, we will see if we can
adopt the budget or if we just go back
[1:30:12] to what we got now. Uh,
>> judge, may I?
[1:30:14] » Yes, sir. Please.
>> All these changes that we've talked
[1:30:16] about tonight, will they be published
for the public's viewing?
[1:30:20] » I will happily do that. Uh, I mean, I'll
I'll do it as quick as I can.
[1:30:26] We'll get I'll I'll get that tomorrow.
Hopefully, you can have the fringe for
[1:30:30] the new position created and the
breakdown and u and then that way
[1:30:34] taxpayers can see that uh before we
adopt it. Item 12, acknowledge
[1:30:40] commissioner court will meet on
September 22nd, 2026 at nine o'clock in
[1:30:44] the morning in the KS County
multi-purpose room that is located at
[1:30:48] 210 West Calbert, sweet 150 K City,
Texas 78118.
[1:30:54] Item number 13. We need a motion to
adjurnn.
[1:30:57] » I'll move we adjourn.
>> Jamie can go east. Go. Are you buying?