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October 5th, 2024. We have a room full of people and we're so excited to have you all

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here to join us. Just a couple of housekeeping things. We record these meetings live on YouTube.

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So if you'll refrain from talking to your neighbor inside chambers, that would be great. If you

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want to have a conversation, please go outside the door and shut it. You'll still be able

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to hear the meeting in the lobby. We just want to make sure that people can clearly

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hear us as they listen to the stream later or live. So thank you for that.

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Okay. Our opening will be provided by Council Member Perry Oaks. He'll then follow up with

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the Pledge of Allegiance, so he will lead us and that as soon as his opening is over.

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Turn the time to Perry.

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If you've been to Council Meeting and I have an opening, I try to say something other than

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just a prayer and the pledge. And I was talking with my father earlier today and he said,

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said, you know, we'll do something different. He said, do you have a good, have a good singing

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voice? Why don't you sing a song? So, no.

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But I would like to read America the Beautiful.

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And if you just pay attention, because if you're thinking about this time as we're

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getting ready to vote within two months for a new president and about this great

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nation, it's profound. And so, oh, beautiful for spacious skies, for amber waves of green,

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for purple mountain majesties above the fruited plain, America, America, God shed his grace

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on thee, and crown thy good with brotherhood from sea to shining sea. Oh, beautiful for

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For pilgrim feet whose scurn, impassioned stress, A thoroughfare of freedom beat across

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the wilderness, America, America, God mend thine every flaw, Confirm thy soul in self-control,

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In liberty, thy liberty in law, O beautiful for heroes proved in liberating strife,

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who more than self their country loved, and mercy more than life.

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America, America, may God thy gold refine, till all success be nobleness, and every gain divine.

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O beautiful for patriot dream, that sees beyond the years, thine alabaster cities gleam, undimmed by human tears.

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America, America, God shed his grace on thee, and crown thy good with brotherhood from sea

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to shining sea.

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I'll offer an opening prayer please.

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Our Father in heaven, we're so thankful for the many blessings which we have to be able

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to live in this free land.

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We're thankful for the freedoms which we have.

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We're thankful for the opportunity we have to be able to govern ourselves.

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We're thankful for leadership.

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We pray for good leadership. We pray for wisdom in our leaders.

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We pray for peace

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and prosperity in this nation.

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And we pray that thy spirit might be upon this nation at this time.

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There's such division among us for so many different silly reasons.

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We pray that we might have a productive meeting this evening and say these

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things in Jesus' name, amen.

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Please rise.

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I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible with liberty and justice for all.

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Thank you, Council Member Oaks. Appreciate your opening.

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At the beginning of our city council meeting, we have a period called public comment.

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We have two people that have signed up to speak.

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The way it works is like this.

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These individuals have three minutes to share their comments with the council and the audience.

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During this time, we don't interrupt them.

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We don't comment.

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We allow them to have the floor.

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And so two people have signed up.

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I'll call you up in order.

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There'll be a timer on the screen and your microphone will die at the end of three minutes.

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So Kathleen, Catherine, Catherine, Lizzie, and Tara Obeson.

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If you'll come up in that order,

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we look forward to hearing from you.

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Thank you.

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Team 14, South Sunset Drive, and my property,

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my acre of land is right to the east

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of Brian Carlin's property.

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I don't know if y'all received the email

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that I sent this last week,

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and so I appreciate your consideration for that.

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I'm not naive to think that the development's not coming.

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I'm not naive about that.

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I know that Symphony Homes owns the nine and a half

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bakers directly south of us as well as a bunch of other land that way so we know

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what's coming. All I ask is that we follow the city plan that's one and I

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think it's dangerous to approve without understanding exactly what Brian's

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thinking about and I just ask that we develop this smartly. That's all. Thank

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you. Thank you very much.

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Hi I'm Tara Oveston. I live on 1779 Sunset Drive.

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I'm also here to address the change, the zoning change.

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So I actually like Brian's thing.

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I like that it's, we have more moderate or more densely populated stuff or Caseville,

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but I think Brian owns the wrong course of land.

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The road infrastructure is not there.

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There's a lot of maybes, ifs, and hopefully everything falls into place.

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And if he had property that went along where it's connecting to Angel, where the infrastructure supports it, that would be great.

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But he's in the middle of a field and we're talking about, we're not talking about 27 homes that he wants to put in.

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Because he's looking at the neighbor to the south also developing it.

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So it's more like 60 homes.

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So that's like 135 cars coming out of roads that weren't built for that.

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that. And that's my only concern. You know, I like your plan, Brian, just go the wrong

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parcel of land.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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All right, now I will turn the time over to Cole. Well, actually, I'll do the swearing

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at first. I'll invite our Youth City Council members to come to the front and I get the

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honor of swearing you in. So come up to the front if you will and I'll meet you

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right there in

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my paper.

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Okay, for those that don't know, we have a Youth City Council in Caseville, and these

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are our newest members, and we're so excited to be able to have them be a part of our city

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experience.

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As Youth City Council members, they'll have the opportunity to go to the Capitol for the

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day at the Capitol with the legislators, and they'll get to meet the governor,

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and they'll get to meet our state leaders, as well as other mayors and new City Council

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members from across the state.

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The Youth City Council this year is working on the Scarecrow, they did it last

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they participate in city events, they help out with fill the fire truck for the

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case will gives fundraiser that we do at Christmas time. They help in so many ways

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and so we're really excited to have them and we decided to build this where

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them in. So if you guys will kind of come in towards me that would be great

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and you'll repeat after me and you'll you'll submit you'll mentally

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silently say your own names okay so if you raise your right hand this is

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your oath of office. So along with being really confidential and professional and

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great representatives of the city you get to be officially sworn in. So I and then

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silently say your name. Do solemnly swear that I will support, obey, and defend the

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Constitution of the United States and the Constitution of the state of Utah

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and that I will discharge the duties of my office with fidelity. I did that

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wrong. I said it one time so now we're all gonna repeat it okay and you

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can say it out loud. Sorry guys. Okay, so I say your name.

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I'm sorry you didn't say your

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name out loud. Let's start over. Okay. I and then say your name out loud. I do solemnly

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swear that I will support, obey, and defend the Constitution of the United States and the

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constitution of the state of Utah and that I will discharge the duties of my

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office with fidelity. Thanks you guys, thanks audience for bearing with us on that.

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Okay next on our agenda we have a presentation recognizing Chad

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Call for his contributions as the Keyville City Fourth of July parade

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chair. Cole is going to introduce Chad and tell you all about how amazing he is

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as a council we're so grateful for his efforts as well so turn the time over to Cole.

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Well we're grateful for to have this opportunity to recognize Chad and he wants to come forward.

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We're grateful that he's here tonight. He's a busy man and so to have him here is

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we're just honored to have him and recognize him. So Chad has been instrumental in our July

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4th parade for a number of years volunteering on the back end of things and then in 2021,

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2022 and 2023. He was our parade chair and did a fantastic job. What Chad

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organized for us on the parade has set us up for success in the future. Just a

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very detail-oriented. I can't say enough good compliments for Chad and what

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he's done for Cazal City and for our July 4th parade and navigating a

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difficulty a few years ago. We're just very grateful for Chad and wanted

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wanted to present him with a replica of the July 4th parade

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that the artist Chad Hawkins did a few years ago,

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which is the full one is displayed in the police station.

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So Chad, if you want to say anything or something,

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but just on behalf of Caisal City,

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we just want to say thank you for all you've done for us

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in July 4th and parade and all the other things

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that you did for Caisal City as well.

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So thank you.

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Thank you.

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I know. Thought of you. I said we should just stay down there.

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I was told that we should not stay. Mike, I was told that we should not stay.

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Well, I want to talk to you.

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Here.

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I'll be in fact.

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It's not going to fall.

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It looks here.

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All right.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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I appreciate it.

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I don't like it.

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So we figured we might as well make this city council all about parks and recreation and

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stuff.

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For the other presentation we want to recognize is our community theater production group.

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They've been very instrumental, just a little bit of history of this group and then we'll

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call their names, but they've been pretty much together as a group for 26 years.

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I've done 25 shows minus COVID, the COVID year was the only year that they didn't

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produce a show for the Caysville Community Theater.

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And so this last show was their last year together as a group.

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And we just wanted to recognize them and just say thank you for

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the countless years that they've produced this show,

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unbeknownst to a lot of people of who they even are.

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But I think our community theater speaks for itself in the production the quality and the quantity and the

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Just the actors and stuff that we're coming back year after year

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So we would like to just present each one of the members of the production group with with their plaque

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And then of course a picture so Kristen Kowler

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All that all that Kristen introduced the rest of her production group

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Laurie's story, come on up.

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Laurie did choreography and costuming for us.

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Jessica Rampton.

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She did our musical direction for us.

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Carol Wilkinson isn't here.

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She has COVID.

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So she just got home from Sweden.

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So, you know, there's better places to get COVID.

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So I can take this to her.

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So she did our costuming as well.

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And then Colin Wilson did our lighting

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for years and years and years.

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He now works at Disneyland, so doing lighting.

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So he went on to kind of bigger and better things, but I'll get this to him as well and then our last one is

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Aaron Ford get up here Aaron Ford was one of our choreographers for years and

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He moved to Florida and then moved back

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So he didn't go very far and then our last one is Karen and Drasco

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And she also couldn't come tonight and she was one of our choreographers as well and Chad call

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actually for years and years and years was our technical director over at Davis

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High doing the show so it's it's kind of apropos that he's here with us tonight

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too because we worked together for a lot of years so thank you.

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photo here in just a second but I just am so appreciative of all of our

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community volunteers. The countless amount of hours that these groups both

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this group and Chad call spent on behalf of Caisal City helping with

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these community events is just it's amazing and we're grateful for them

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because these things don't happen without our community volunteers and so we

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are just very happy and grateful for your volunteerism over the course of 26

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plus years which is crazy so

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well Chris and I went to high school together

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so 26 years is a lot of time, so thank you again

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for our final

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of recognition tonight. I'm going to turn the time over to Brian White. He is one of our

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recreation program coordinators to introduce our Caysville All-Stars. Brian?

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We have two of our winning All-Star teams here. They took place in the Northern Utah

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baseball and softball tournament that we hosted here at Barnes Park. As a city we were

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responsible for most of that and most of the games were played here. So it was great

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to see two of our teams put in that effort and go. These two coaches that we have

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have here. Both of them have volunteered for the city for a number of years. I've got to

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know both of them personally and I'm grateful for the friendship that we have and I'm grateful

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for the way that they lead these young men and these young women. There's a lot of teams

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that came here to play in there. There's seven different cities that were represented

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and these two teams came out on top. So I'm going to have Seth Allen come up. He

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was our junior high, all-star coach. Seth, come on up here.

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He's not a Caysville resident.

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He wants to play here.

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So he'll pay the extra fees and come here.

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So we're grateful for that.

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And then Matt has a friend come on over here.

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He's got his own cheering section.

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That's awesome.

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And he didn't not coach our regular season.

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And I had to convince him to do all stars again.

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But he's amazing with the young women.

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And he's done a great job.

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So we're going to have their teams come up.

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And we're going to let them hold this trophy.

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This trophy is now the annual trophy

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that the teams get to have.

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It has the plaque on there that goes for each year.

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And we got K's they'll represent it twice this year. So thank you

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Something can hold that don't drop it

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Yeah

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I mean, I'd like to meet with a bit of a student.

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Okay, you guys, stay over here.

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Okay, don't get me tricked into the other faces.

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All right.

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Ready?

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Three, two, one, go.

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All set.

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All set.

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Good job.

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Good job.

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Yeah.

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Jesse won this.

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Jesse won this.

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Yeah.

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Let's go.

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All right.

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Let's go.

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I don't know.

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I don't know.

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I don't know.

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I think we're supposed to stand in this one.

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How about I'll just hold it.

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I'll figure this out.

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Mayor, do you want me to enter in this?

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Yeah, I will.

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I'll come in at the mayor's.

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No, wait.

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Yes, you will.

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Hi, Jesse.

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Hi.

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The mayor's coming down once, I think.

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Here we go.

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Here we go.

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Here we go.

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The mayor's coming down

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once, I think.

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Here we go.

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Here we go.

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All stop.

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All stop.

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Do you have one, Julie?

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Yeah, what is Julie doing?

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Oh, no.

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First time?

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What have you got it done?

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Hey, done.

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All right.

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Number 11.

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You've got to

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keep it on.

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Yeah, that's awesome.

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Public comment and then public comment.

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Oh, did I?

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Oh, oh well.

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Okay.

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That's gay.

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I got out of order.

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Oh, I did, didn't I?

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Thank you so much. Congratulations everybody. Thanks.

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Okay, Cole. Cole Stevens is our Parks

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and Rec Director and he is now going to present about his department. We are so excited for

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this.

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So what you just witnessed is I think the essence of parks and recreation for

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the community. We're just grateful again for all of the volunteers, you know our

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recreation programs, the council members, our volunteer coaches put in, all the

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service projects that occur in our parks and cemetery. Just very grateful for

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all those people that contribute so much to the community and make it what it

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is. So I'm grateful, like the mayor said, my name is Cole Stevens. Is this on?

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You're

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all right.

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This is just the arrow, right?

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I

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guess you turn it on, it helps. Sorry, Melinda.

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Yeah, usually helps. So parts of our creation case, though, we're going to got to be very

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brief what's in the report. Hopefully you've had time to read. And if there's any questions

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at the end, feel free to ask. But I'm just grateful for the department I work

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with and the people that I work with. This is just kind of our department

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responsibilities. It's more than just parks and recreations, parks, trails,

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recreation, cemetery, and then we also oversee all city facilities from a

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maintenance standpoint and new construction and then just other

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public properties rights away, things like that. Our citizens boards are

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involved with our department of the Parks and Recreation Advisory Board, the

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Ramp Advisory Board, and then also liaison with the Historic Preservation

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commission for the city. This is our full, this is our staff made up of full time and

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some part time staff. I am happy to report that the vacant cemetery sexton position was

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filled today. It was filled by Jackie Hubbard who was a part time employee for us and so

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we did the interview process and all that stuff and so we're excited to have that

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position filled and now we just move forward. So, but it's these individuals here within

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in our department to make our Parks and Recreation

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department go, and not to mention those little bottom

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three boxes, the seasonal staff, both in parks,

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cemetery, and then our recreation.

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Without those seasonal staff, young people,

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nothing gets done to the level it is.

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So I just want to shout out to all of our

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Parks and Recreation employees.

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To start really briefly with the cemetery, 1865,

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It goes back quite a few years.

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This is just to give you a seven-year internment history report that kind of just tracks.

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This is what we use to just gauge, you know, new lawn, when we need to develop that kind

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of stuff.

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And so this last year we did 172, and this year we're on track to do pretty close to

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that same number.

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This is our six-year internment history for urn variables or cremations.

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You can see those are increasing, which is also compared to a national trend where urn

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burials are increasing nationwide and becoming more popular here in Utah.

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Just some brief facts about the cemetery, 22 acres.

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Right now we're doing burial space right sales at need only.

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The main reason for that is to prolong the life of the cemetery.

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If we currently just, the pre-need would be selling out,

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when we say sell out the land as it's always just the right to that space,

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we would be within about 10 years of being completely sold out.

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And so by doing it at need, that will prolong that 20 to 25 years going at that,

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at our current pace.

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Just some highlights and projects in the cemetery this past year and these upcoming years.

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this last year or this current FY25 we're replacing the old irrigation system

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in the cemetery some of it dates back to 1950 which is just a lot of problems and

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so that should go out to bid here at the end of this month. And then in FY26,

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FY27 we are planning to do phase one and phase two of the memory and

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cremation garden area. I know we talked about it in budget meetings prior so

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that's kind of our future plans. The other thing out there 10 years plus is

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what happens when the cemetery is completely developed and sold out.

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It's a council decision that's going to be coming up that we'll have to decide

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what is the future of that. We're landlocked where we are so do we look

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at other spaces, other properties that the city currently has. There's lots of

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different options to consider but we're still a few years away from

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happy to make that decision. You can cross off the vacant cemetery because

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that's now filled. So this is just to highlight what we're planning for the

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cremation garden area, their memory garden area there behind the city

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cemetery office. It's kind of a dirt vacant area right now and that's our

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plans. This is just kind of highlights and pictures of what will be

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you located it within that memory garden area,

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cremation garden area of the cemetery.

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Our parks are scattered out through all Caysville.

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We do a fairly good job of hitting most of our subdivisions

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with a few areas that lack a little bit of coverage.

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This is just some how I'm not gonna go through

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and read all of these one by one,

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but we are increasing our acreage as far as developed.

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We track our acreage developed versus undeveloped.

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Undeveloped is those acres and the good bulk of that undeveloped property is the East Mountain

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Wilderness Park, which is about 138 acres of that 201.

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The difference between developed and undeveloped is pretty self-explanatory.

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This last year highlighted a couple of projects that we completed.

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Wilderness Park parking lot up at the Wilderness Park with the ramp funding and also state

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and Davis County funds and then this year we just did the post tension basketball

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court. We got a couple other upcoming

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Projects this fall, the rail trail trailhead project, right now we're just getting a permit

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from UTA, so we have to encroach into their easement to construct some of the parking lot.

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And so that will be bid out here shortly, as well as some playground replacements at Angel

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Street and then the pickleball court resurfacing. For any way that's listening, the pickleball

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courts will be closed starting Monday, September 9th through September 16th, so that resurfacing

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can happen. There's no way to do it and keep them open, so future projects one

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some of our biggest the biggest one is Trappersfield the north side of 200

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north down as it goes into the West Davis corridor. We're constantly looking

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for water conservation projects the way that we can reduce our water consumption

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in our turf in our landscapes and we have identified some examples of things

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that we're going to start doing over the next couple years such as

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removing park strips at the fire station, redoing some stuff at the operation center

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as far as landscaping. Of course, all this comes with budget funding.

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One of the challenges we have, and I don't want to highlight or focus all on our challenges,

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but one of the challenges that we have and we're having it across pretty much every

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division except for recreation is our staffing, being that we're so young and new.

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of the four of the six full-time parks employees,

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four of them are three years or less.

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And so what happens in that scenario is

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just the ability to get up to that quote,

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institutional knowledge of how we expect things

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to be done and what we want to see.

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And so there's just a lot of training that has to go on.

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And so when you see things that maybe

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why aren't things getting weeded as maybe as they were,

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it goes back to that just having a young full-time

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staff that doesn't sometimes see the big picture they do all that they are great

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employees but that is one of the just a learning curve that we experience and

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then just a shout out to all of our seasoned employees in the parks they

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just they make or break us every year so we're grateful for them and we finally

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this year broke a trend where we were fully staffed on the park seasonal

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side so that was good to see and then this is just a highlight this is

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It was adopted about three years ago.

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This kind of, I just want to highlight this map.

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It just shows of our parks, where they're located.

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And then some areas where there's that little

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asterisk, there's areas in the community

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that are a farther distance away from a park

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than would be a standard.

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And so those are areas where, you know,

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the one on the east side, east of this block

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is very difficult because the block's already developed.

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but this just kind of shows you where our parks are and how they hit every group in

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the city resident in the city and then the far right that's just the national

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standard or not the standard that's the in the parks and recreation master plan

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kind of what the level of service for parks open space that the city is going

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for a recreation I'm glad our all stars could be here tonight because

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that's, you know, it's all about these kids having.

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My motto is have an experience.

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That can mean a lot of different things,

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but for these kids to have these experiences,

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which builds a lot of character and teaches them

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a lot of things is important.

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And so our recreation program and Chris here

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does an amazing job with all of our recreation programming

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and all the needs that we have there.

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And we'll highlight a few of our shortcomings,

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but this year we offer anywhere from age three

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up to adult, elderly people, I guess you can sort of speak. We've highlighted some things

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that we've posted this year. The Northern Utah is our baseball, which our teams here participated

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in. We also hosted the Utah Recreation and Park Association Junior State Pickleball

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Tournament at a Barnes Park this year. The one bullet point I want to highlight here,

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and you're all aware of the opportunity we have, maybe with the Kaisal Junior High

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and Davis School District Department with the gymnasium.

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Our coordination with Davis School District is still good,

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but what's happening over the years

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is the school programs grow.

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As an example, this year at Davis High School

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with the boys volleyball now becoming a sanctioned high

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school sport was using that same gym space

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that we normally had the ability to use.

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And so our time for using their gymnasiums

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is really getting cramped.

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Is that a correct assessment, Chris?

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So, in fact, this year we've had to institute a wait list

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or a cap our numbers before the season even starts

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just because we know that we can't,

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we just have a certain number that we can even find.

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It's amazing for us.

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And we always have wait lists

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and that's one thing that we don't like

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because when we're done we're eliminating

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kids' opportunity to participate.

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So, that opportunity hopefully will present itself

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in 2027 with the Davis School District in partnering with the Caysville junior

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high remodel of their gymnasium space.

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Anything you want to add to that Chris?

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Yeah. Oh yes yes yeah yeah we'll always be using schools and one of the things

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this year too is in our budgets we last year we had to rent Farmington's

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gymnasium for some of our programs and so that just adds cost to programs

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when you have to rent facilities.

480
00:35:36,850 --> 00:35:40,410
And this is the numbers of our programs.

481
00:35:40,970 --> 00:35:45,790
In total, participants from September of last year

482
00:35:45,790 --> 00:35:48,790
to August of this year, our recreation program

483
00:35:48,790 --> 00:35:54,890
serve 13,846 participants in all of those various programs.

484
00:35:55,110 --> 00:35:56,690
Our biggest program is soccer,

485
00:35:57,470 --> 00:36:01,050
followed by junior jazz basketball.

486
00:36:01,050 --> 00:36:06,110
ball. So a lot of kids, a lot of kids have the opportunity to participate in our programs

487
00:36:06,110 --> 00:36:08,530
and we're grateful for that as well as a lot of adults.

488
00:36:11,100 --> 00:36:12,080
And this just highlights, this

489
00:36:12,080 --> 00:36:16,940
is from a survey that was done back when we did our parks and recreation master plan

490
00:36:16,940 --> 00:36:21,720
just about the need for recreation programming in the community and what a vital role it

491
00:36:21,720 --> 00:36:25,000
plays for the citizens to have places to recreate.

492
00:36:27,410 --> 00:36:28,230
I'll highlight our citizens

493
00:36:28,230 --> 00:36:32,750
This is board's historic preservation commission meets at least quarterly.

494
00:36:33,930 --> 00:36:39,510
Their charge is just to preserve history within Caseville, photographing homes and things

495
00:36:39,510 --> 00:36:39,970
like that.

496
00:36:40,150 --> 00:36:43,950
And then we have a database that they stored on our city's servers.

497
00:36:44,810 --> 00:36:48,710
Parks and Recreation Board again meets quarterly and they're in all the community events.

498
00:36:49,570 --> 00:36:52,890
And our Rampadvisor Board is the board that meets, that receives all the applications

499
00:36:52,890 --> 00:36:54,810
and then recommends funding to the city council.

500
00:36:55,690 --> 00:36:58,710
They meet less frequently with the exception of the spring.

501
00:37:00,430 --> 00:37:02,530
This is just a small list of our community events.

502
00:37:03,030 --> 00:37:09,050
Every single one of these community events requires the volunteers that we recognize here today to make these things happen.

503
00:37:10,410 --> 00:37:17,610
And so we're grateful for all of their volunteers and grateful for our corporate sponsors that help fund some of our programs as well.

504
00:37:17,610 --> 00:37:25,820
And just to highlight the facilities, our oldest building is the old library building going to 1944

505
00:37:26,580 --> 00:37:30,900
to the newest building, which is this building with the addition in 2020.

506
00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:35,380
We maintain a total of 80,100 square feet of facility space,

507
00:37:36,040 --> 00:37:40,700
which is a custodial service, everything that you can imagine that we maintain.

508
00:37:42,240 --> 00:37:46,020
And then I'll just, I believe this is the last slide, just to end with this statement,

509
00:37:46,020 --> 00:37:49,560
It comes from our Parks and Recreation Master Plan.

510
00:37:49,720 --> 00:37:50,140
I'll just read it.

511
00:37:50,700 --> 00:37:52,540
Parks, Open Space, Recreation and Trails

512
00:37:52,540 --> 00:37:54,760
are a vital component of CASEL's form and identity.

513
00:37:55,440 --> 00:37:57,280
Tied together as a system, they provide places

514
00:37:57,280 --> 00:37:59,680
to gather, recreate together with friends and family

515
00:37:59,680 --> 00:38:02,300
while maintaining ties to the city's roots and heritage.

516
00:38:02,500 --> 00:38:04,040
The city's parks, open space and trails

517
00:38:04,040 --> 00:38:06,720
also provide visual and physical relief

518
00:38:06,720 --> 00:38:07,720
from the built environment.

519
00:38:08,260 --> 00:38:10,100
Serving as places of respite, recreation

520
00:38:10,100 --> 00:38:11,760
and connection to the natural environment.

521
00:38:12,260 --> 00:38:14,140
When fully realized, the system will enhance

522
00:38:14,140 --> 00:38:18,540
the health and well-being of the community creating a more complete and unified city in the process.

523
00:38:19,360 --> 00:38:23,460
And I couldn't say it any better than what that paragraph states, that what parks and recreation

524
00:38:23,460 --> 00:38:30,860
do for the city is bring the community together for all the reasons listed in that statement.

525
00:38:31,380 --> 00:38:35,260
So that kind of concludes a high-level report. If you have any questions,

526
00:38:35,600 --> 00:38:38,540
happy to answer any. If not, all good to go.

527
00:38:39,100 --> 00:38:40,180
Council Member Oaks.

528
00:38:40,600 --> 00:38:44,160
Yeah, no questions, just thanks.

529
00:38:44,680 --> 00:38:48,100
You know, when you get this during the budget and we're going through the budget,

530
00:38:50,510 --> 00:38:56,730
the vast amount that you guys are responsible for in the city that you do with such a small staff,

531
00:38:57,350 --> 00:39:05,590
it really is amazing and couldn't be done without all the volunteers that then come in to coach teams

532
00:39:05,590 --> 00:39:10,930
and get involved and it's what makes a city a city, so thanks.

533
00:39:11,230 --> 00:39:11,610
Thank you.

534
00:39:13,420 --> 00:39:14,220
Thank you, Cole.

535
00:39:14,760 --> 00:39:15,160
Outstanding.

536
00:39:22,780 --> 00:39:23,260
Okay.

537
00:39:23,420 --> 00:39:25,380
We're on item number four, conflicts of interest.

538
00:39:25,580 --> 00:39:27,240
Anyone have anything that they'd like to declare?

539
00:39:28,420 --> 00:39:28,660
Nope.

540
00:39:29,160 --> 00:39:29,320
Okay.

541
00:39:29,480 --> 00:39:33,660
Would someone like to then make a motion on item number five or consent agenda?

542
00:39:36,330 --> 00:39:36,610
Fine.

543
00:39:37,230 --> 00:39:40,670
I'll make a motion that we approve consent items A and B.

544
00:39:41,290 --> 00:39:41,650
Thank you.

545
00:39:41,750 --> 00:39:42,290
Do we have a second?

546
00:39:42,430 --> 00:39:42,750
I'll second.

547
00:39:43,130 --> 00:39:43,290
Okay.

548
00:39:43,290 --> 00:39:44,310
We have a motion and a second.

549
00:39:44,630 --> 00:39:45,270
Council Member Adams.

550
00:39:45,690 --> 00:39:45,830
Aye.

551
00:39:47,950 --> 00:39:49,370
Okay, motion carries.

552
00:39:50,070 --> 00:39:52,270
Moving on to item number six,

553
00:39:52,510 --> 00:39:54,350
rezone of 2.8 acres of property

554
00:39:54,350 --> 00:39:57,570
located at 1735 South by 50 West

555
00:39:57,970 --> 00:40:01,850
from A1 to four family residential for Brian Carling.

556
00:40:01,970 --> 00:40:04,490
I'll turn the time over to Melinda to present this.

557
00:40:04,990 --> 00:40:05,170
All

558
00:40:07,320 --> 00:40:07,960
right, thank you Mayor.

559
00:40:09,700 --> 00:40:12,180
As Mayor said in our introduction,

560
00:40:12,180 --> 00:40:18,080
This is for a rezone for Brian Carling, who's been an application a couple of months back.

561
00:40:19,060 --> 00:40:27,340
His property is 2.8 acres, and it's approximately address is 1735 South, 550 West.

562
00:40:28,320 --> 00:40:38,500
It's currently zoned A1 Light Agriculture Role, and he's requesting the rezone go through for R4.

563
00:40:41,160 --> 00:40:50,040
Just a few things so the applicant Mr. Carling did submit a concept of 27 town

564
00:40:50,040 --> 00:40:59,840
homes that would be on various sizes of property and based on the size of property

565
00:40:59,840 --> 00:41:03,040
and I'll go over a little bit more in that detail later on a different slide

566
00:41:03,040 --> 00:41:08,180
but you could have either two town homes, three or four town homes. The

567
00:41:08,180 --> 00:41:12,680
the R4 district doesn't allow for any more than four attached units.

568
00:41:14,360 --> 00:41:16,340
So this is just to orient you.

569
00:41:16,560 --> 00:41:17,540
This is where the property is.

570
00:41:17,620 --> 00:41:23,080
It's located in the Southwest area of the city over in an area that is

571
00:41:23,080 --> 00:41:28,540
primarily agricultural and near where the Sunset Equestrian Center is.

572
00:41:29,860 --> 00:41:35,420
This is a view of the current zoning that Red Arrow points to Mr.

573
00:41:35,420 --> 00:41:45,460
Carling's property and most everything around there is agricultural or the residential agricultural

574
00:41:45,460 --> 00:41:53,140
which allows half acre lots and a blend of agriculture use as well as the single family.

575
00:41:54,620 --> 00:42:01,900
So when we look at rezone requests, we want to look towards the general plan to see what

576
00:42:01,900 --> 00:42:03,180
that guides us to do.

577
00:42:04,040 --> 00:42:06,340
And there's many elements in the general plan.

578
00:42:06,720 --> 00:42:09,220
Our general plan was adopted in 2022.

579
00:42:12,140 --> 00:42:14,800
General plans by nature have a lot of

580
00:42:15,380 --> 00:42:16,940
conflicting information in them.

581
00:42:17,460 --> 00:42:19,760
General plans are advisory,

582
00:42:19,920 --> 00:42:23,120
meaning the council does not have to follow

583
00:42:23,120 --> 00:42:25,380
what is in the general plan.

584
00:42:25,860 --> 00:42:27,580
And they're also idealistic,

585
00:42:27,580 --> 00:42:30,340
which means if everything went the way we wanted

586
00:42:30,340 --> 00:42:32,160
and all things develop perfectly,

587
00:42:32,700 --> 00:42:35,780
this would be the best outcome on our very best day.

588
00:42:36,560 --> 00:42:39,580
So that said, one of the elements that we look to

589
00:42:39,580 --> 00:42:40,780
in the future land use map,

590
00:42:41,000 --> 00:42:43,120
or in the general plan is the future land use map.

591
00:42:44,700 --> 00:42:48,380
And this map indicates our best guess

592
00:42:48,380 --> 00:42:51,660
of how we would see property to be used in the future.

593
00:42:52,520 --> 00:42:54,680
The property that Mr. Carling owns

594
00:42:54,680 --> 00:42:57,460
is zoned to be single family residential.

595
00:42:58,540 --> 00:43:03,200
Again, that red arrow is pointing to that property, but you can see most everything in

596
00:43:03,200 --> 00:43:06,100
that area is meant to be single family residential.

597
00:43:07,220 --> 00:43:12,600
And our definition of single family is a single family detached product.

598
00:43:14,700 --> 00:43:17,900
So there's five chapters in the general plan.

599
00:43:18,800 --> 00:43:25,260
Two of them were germane to this item as well as some other elements, but our first

600
00:43:25,260 --> 00:43:28,800
Each chapter of the general plan is a land use and placemaking plan, and at the end

601
00:43:28,800 --> 00:43:35,020
of each chapter there are goals and objectives and implementation steps that help inform

602
00:43:35,020 --> 00:43:42,460
staff of what does this goal mean, what is this objective, what's the intent of being

603
00:43:42,460 --> 00:43:48,620
accomplished with this goal and objective, and so when we look at those there is a

604
00:43:48,620 --> 00:43:53,180
little bit of reading into what does this goal mean and some of that can be informed

605
00:43:53,180 --> 00:43:58,040
when you look to the goals.

606
00:43:58,460 --> 00:44:00,820
So one of the goals in the general plan

607
00:44:00,820 --> 00:44:03,580
is to preserve and protect Caseville's small town

608
00:44:03,580 --> 00:44:06,320
atmosphere, and that means limiting change

609
00:44:06,320 --> 00:44:06,900
in the neighborhood.

610
00:44:07,320 --> 00:44:12,500
So right now, this area where the subject property is

611
00:44:12,500 --> 00:44:14,720
is a functional agricultural area.

612
00:44:15,440 --> 00:44:22,700
And so looking at that does relate to this

613
00:44:22,700 --> 00:44:30,160
because changing those functional neighborhoods can be problematic, although the objectives speak

614
00:44:30,160 --> 00:44:36,160
more to single-family neighborhoods than agricultural, but nonetheless, that goal does say that we want

615
00:44:36,160 --> 00:44:42,640
to try and protect and preserve Caseville's existing neighborhoods. So, goal five at the

616
00:44:42,640 --> 00:44:48,500
end of the chapter one is to preserve and enhance the remaining pastoral atmosphere

617
00:44:48,500 --> 00:44:52,740
in agricultural history that the city has had and preservation of open space.

618
00:44:54,700 --> 00:44:59,900
You could look at this in a variety of ways, and I think the objectives again kind of

619
00:45:04,100 --> 00:45:14,760
The general plan encourages us to put ordinances in place that would preserve open space in,

620
00:45:14,800 --> 00:45:21,520
I think, a more uniform manner and perhaps have more group congregation open space, or

621
00:45:21,520 --> 00:45:27,820
It could be preserving areas that are unique in the city.

622
00:45:28,820 --> 00:45:30,660
We have the wilderness park, those types of things.

623
00:45:35,370 --> 00:45:40,470
The chapter one also, well, let me go to, well,

624
00:45:40,610 --> 00:45:43,670
so goal eight of chapter one also states

625
00:45:43,670 --> 00:45:46,150
to provide a range of housing options and price points

626
00:45:46,150 --> 00:45:48,690
that help ensure that Caseville has

627
00:45:48,690 --> 00:45:52,270
a variety of price points for people

628
00:45:52,270 --> 00:45:57,350
who want to live here or who may want to remain here but move from an existing home.

629
00:45:58,350 --> 00:46:05,570
So the general plan also has five core guiding principles and one of those is also to provide

630
00:46:05,570 --> 00:46:07,390
diverse housing options.

631
00:46:08,930 --> 00:46:17,870
So that said, providing diverse housing options would be something that could be

632
00:46:17,870 --> 00:46:27,350
supported by Mr. Carling's application. And then the state over the last seven or

633
00:46:27,350 --> 00:46:33,790
eight years has adopted legislation that requires cities to have a plan in place

634
00:46:33,790 --> 00:46:41,650
for modern-income housing, which is a different definition than what you think

635
00:46:41,650 --> 00:46:44,590
of traditionally as affordable housing, which is usually subsidized.

636
00:46:47,850 --> 00:46:47,850
Modern-

637
00:46:47,850 --> 00:46:51,830
a housing product that is affordable at 80%

638
00:46:51,830 --> 00:46:55,570
of the area meeting income, which they go by the county,

639
00:46:56,130 --> 00:47:01,030
and so that's about 83,000, I think, in Davis County.

640
00:47:01,250 --> 00:47:02,770
And so what you can afford

641
00:47:02,770 --> 00:47:05,690
when you're a family making 83,000,

642
00:47:06,070 --> 00:47:07,510
that's the price point that would be,

643
00:47:08,070 --> 00:47:11,930
or 80% of that would be the modern cum housing target.

644
00:47:13,930 --> 00:47:16,950
The state has required that we put

645
00:47:16,950 --> 00:47:25,230
the modern housing portions into our plan and so one of the goals and this was

646
00:47:25,230 --> 00:47:33,270
existing in the general plan prior to when we so we adopted it in August of

647
00:47:33,270 --> 00:47:37,530
22 but we amended it to include the requirements from the state so that

648
00:47:37,530 --> 00:47:42,430
said the what we committed to do with the state is to give strong

649
00:47:42,430 --> 00:47:48,430
consideration on rezone applications that don't fit the general plan or excuse me the future

650
00:47:48,430 --> 00:47:53,550
land use map but may have other elements of the general plan to support that.

651
00:47:54,510 --> 00:47:58,410
So again there's information in the general plan I think that both supports and also

652
00:47:58,410 --> 00:48:05,030
opposes this but what we committed to the state to do is to give a strong consideration

653
00:48:05,030 --> 00:48:06,130
of approval to that.

654
00:48:07,750 --> 00:48:11,170
So I wanna just talk quickly about some of the differences

655
00:48:11,170 --> 00:48:14,610
between A1 and R4, it's pretty self-explanatory,

656
00:48:14,870 --> 00:48:16,870
but the biggest difference, right,

657
00:48:17,030 --> 00:48:18,470
is your minimum lot size,

658
00:48:19,030 --> 00:48:23,570
and also the use of having attached dwellings

659
00:48:23,570 --> 00:48:24,430
versus detached.

660
00:48:25,130 --> 00:48:28,250
So the agricultural one acre is kinda

661
00:48:28,250 --> 00:48:29,530
what that A1 stands for,

662
00:48:29,610 --> 00:48:33,490
but it has a 40,000 square foot minimum lot size.

663
00:48:33,490 --> 00:48:41,650
R4 you can get down to essentially as low as 3,000 if you look at the 12,000 feet

664
00:48:41,650 --> 00:48:49,790
that are square feet that are required to have the four dwelling units. So height

665
00:48:49,790 --> 00:48:54,810
is the same setback is five foot less with R4, side setbacks are two feet

666
00:48:54,810 --> 00:49:01,710
less with R4, the rear setbacks are half between A1 and R4 and the frontage

667
00:49:01,710 --> 00:49:06,270
is 70 feet on the R4 versus 100 at the A1.

668
00:49:08,130 --> 00:49:09,910
So this is just kind of a quick look

669
00:49:09,910 --> 00:49:14,330
at some of the major portions of our R4 ordinance.

670
00:49:15,050 --> 00:49:16,350
It does allow single family,

671
00:49:16,450 --> 00:49:22,350
but it allows four family buildings up to four units attached.

672
00:49:23,070 --> 00:49:26,150
So 8,000 square feet lot, you can get two,

673
00:49:26,490 --> 00:49:28,390
10,000 is three and 12,000 is four.

674
00:49:28,630 --> 00:49:30,590
And that's where that number on the previous slide

675
00:49:30,590 --> 00:49:32,290
came to that 3,000 square foot.

676
00:49:33,270 --> 00:49:38,010
You do have to provide 600 square feet of open space per unit.

677
00:49:38,550 --> 00:49:42,910
And you also have to provide some outdoor storage space per unit.

678
00:49:44,490 --> 00:49:49,490
So this application has had an interesting journey.

679
00:49:49,870 --> 00:49:52,410
It's been in front of the Planning Commission twice.

680
00:49:54,010 --> 00:50:00,070
Prior to the Planning Commission on July 11th, we received several, I don't know,

681
00:50:00,070 --> 00:50:07,130
a few dozen emails actually, and continued to receive emails through the Planning Commission

682
00:50:07,130 --> 00:50:09,830
portal even after that meeting.

683
00:50:10,090 --> 00:50:14,090
And those were provided to you in your packet.

684
00:50:14,610 --> 00:50:18,670
It's important that we pass that information along from the Planning Commission to the

685
00:50:18,670 --> 00:50:22,890
City Council so that you can see firsthand what the residents are thinking and saying.

686
00:50:23,690 --> 00:50:30,850
That said, there was a parallel between the comments that came in an email and then at

687
00:50:30,850 --> 00:50:37,670
the public hearing on July 11th and the opposition was based on density changing the rural field,

688
00:50:38,170 --> 00:50:43,750
traffic, there was some comments about health, impacts, lighting, property values,

689
00:50:43,970 --> 00:50:45,470
and then losing the agricultural space.

690
00:50:50,300 --> 00:50:54,980
So again, this was in front of the Planning Commission at the July 11th meeting and

691
00:50:54,980 --> 00:51:02,860
And during that meeting, we realized that myself and the applicant had a miscommunication

692
00:51:02,860 --> 00:51:09,760
about what his intents with the project were, and in any way, based on that confusion and

693
00:51:09,760 --> 00:51:13,960
I think the feedback from the residents, the Planning Commission asked staff in the

694
00:51:13,960 --> 00:51:19,540
applicant to go back and look at maybe some different options than just R4 and come back

695
00:51:19,540 --> 00:51:20,460
with a development agreement.

696
00:51:21,100 --> 00:51:26,080
After conversations with Mr. Curling in the end, he decided he wanted to proceed with

697
00:51:26,080 --> 00:51:30,560
the R4 zone and not enter into a development agreement.

698
00:51:30,840 --> 00:51:34,580
So that's what we took back to the Planning Commission last month on August 8th.

699
00:51:35,240 --> 00:51:40,720
We only had six members there that night, and so this is a rare occurrence to have

700
00:51:40,720 --> 00:51:42,720
a failed motion or to have a tie vote.

701
00:51:43,260 --> 00:51:47,460
We have a seven-member council just for that reason.

702
00:51:47,460 --> 00:51:54,180
and but nonetheless there was a motion that was made to approve the rezone and

703
00:51:54,180 --> 00:52:00,640
that failed to pass so it was a tie vote of three to three. The commission chose

704
00:52:00,640 --> 00:52:09,280
not to submit another motion and so but they did have quite a bit of

705
00:52:09,280 --> 00:52:15,100
discussion after that failed motion and wanted the staff to communicate to the

706
00:52:15,100 --> 00:52:18,840
council that they would be supportive of R1-8 zoning

707
00:52:18,840 --> 00:52:20,860
in this area, which is single family zone,

708
00:52:21,140 --> 00:52:22,800
but with a development agreement.

709
00:52:23,000 --> 00:52:24,660
I think primarily their concern

710
00:52:25,040 --> 00:52:27,260
with the development agreement was to try

711
00:52:27,260 --> 00:52:33,240
and match some of the existing very low density

712
00:52:33,240 --> 00:52:35,280
with the houses that front sunset

713
00:52:35,280 --> 00:52:37,640
and then the development of the lots

714
00:52:37,640 --> 00:52:38,740
would be on the eastern portion

715
00:52:38,740 --> 00:52:40,140
of Mr. Curling's property.

716
00:52:40,140 --> 00:52:48,820
So, that said, my initial or my staff recommendation at the Planning Commission meeting in August

717
00:52:48,820 --> 00:52:55,900
was to recommend denial to the Planning Commission or that the Planning Commission recommended

718
00:52:55,900 --> 00:52:57,160
denial to the City Council.

719
00:52:57,660 --> 00:53:04,800
That's also a very uncommon occurrence, typically because when we have conversations with prospective

720
00:53:04,800 --> 00:53:09,760
applicants. If they have an idea that really doesn't match with what the

721
00:53:09,760 --> 00:53:13,240
general plan was support, we typically don't end up receiving an application and

722
00:53:13,240 --> 00:53:22,420
processing that. So it is it is rare to have a recommendation of denial. So it's

723
00:53:22,420 --> 00:53:24,960
also rare to not really have a recommendation with the planning

724
00:53:24,960 --> 00:53:30,200
commission. So that said, I don't really have a recommendation for you

725
00:53:30,200 --> 00:53:35,840
this evening. I'm happy to answer any questions. We do have the applicant here this evening.

726
00:53:37,620 --> 00:53:42,680
And thank you. Yeah. Okay. Thank you. Thank you for that. We appreciate that. And we have

727
00:53:42,680 --> 00:53:44,640
looked at our packet. All the information is there.

728
00:53:47,060 --> 00:53:49,260
Let's see. Usually, so I will tell

729
00:53:49,260 --> 00:53:55,520
our public commenters. I apologize. You see I'm toggling between my glasses. Public comment.

730
00:53:56,660 --> 00:54:02,700
We have a separate public comment sheet and then we have a public comment sheet prior to this agenda item.

731
00:54:02,920 --> 00:54:05,720
So I apologize, you did speak already, so I appreciate that.

732
00:54:05,820 --> 00:54:06,860
We remember what you said.

733
00:54:07,600 --> 00:54:10,920
Usually you would have an opportunity here instead of at the beginning of the meeting.

734
00:54:11,260 --> 00:54:13,540
So my apologies for that.

735
00:54:14,880 --> 00:54:19,060
All right, Brian, would you like to come up?

736
00:54:20,280 --> 00:54:22,680
And then we will go ahead and ask questions.

737
00:54:22,680 --> 00:54:29,140
And Mayor and Council, I would like to defer some of my time to allow some of the people

738
00:54:29,140 --> 00:54:31,320
that are here that want their voice to be heard.

739
00:54:31,540 --> 00:54:31,820
Okay.

740
00:54:32,080 --> 00:54:32,800
Is that okay with you?

741
00:54:33,520 --> 00:54:34,660
I would welcome it.

742
00:54:34,900 --> 00:54:38,480
I think it would be helpful for you to hear the people that have come.

743
00:54:38,740 --> 00:54:41,200
They have very deep vested interests.

744
00:54:42,400 --> 00:54:43,200
We're all neighbors.

745
00:54:43,620 --> 00:54:48,240
And if you guys are open to that, maybe limiting it to those that are very passionate

746
00:54:48,240 --> 00:54:51,080
and I welcome the comments that might come from them.

747
00:54:51,160 --> 00:54:51,500
Okay.

748
00:54:51,500 --> 00:54:51,960
Thank you, Mayor.

749
00:54:52,260 --> 00:54:53,400
Yeah, appreciate that.

750
00:54:53,640 --> 00:54:56,020
I will just mention also, I apologize, you guys.

751
00:54:56,140 --> 00:54:58,060
In seven years, I haven't had to leave a meeting

752
00:54:58,060 --> 00:54:59,040
early or miss a meeting.

753
00:54:59,320 --> 00:55:01,040
I do have to leave at 8.25.

754
00:55:01,860 --> 00:55:03,820
When I leave our Mayor Pro Temp,

755
00:55:03,820 --> 00:55:05,240
Council Member Oaks will take over.

756
00:55:05,460 --> 00:55:06,940
Just so you know, I'm not just leaving

757
00:55:06,940 --> 00:55:09,640
because I'm done listening or anything like that.

758
00:55:09,940 --> 00:55:11,040
Just wanted to make sure you know that.

759
00:55:11,520 --> 00:55:14,140
Okay, okay, okay.

760
00:55:14,540 --> 00:55:17,160
Anyway, generally speaking, we don't allow that.

761
00:55:17,360 --> 00:55:19,360
We have an opportunity for people to sign up

762
00:55:19,360 --> 00:55:20,240
at the beginning of the meeting.

763
00:55:20,240 --> 00:55:23,320
So I appreciate you being willing to yield some time.

764
00:55:25,220 --> 00:55:29,080
We have an opportunity for people to submit comments prior to the meeting.

765
00:55:29,800 --> 00:55:32,720
They can sign up to speak prior to the meeting as well.

766
00:55:33,140 --> 00:55:36,860
And you're always welcome to call us and communicate to us that way.

767
00:55:37,220 --> 00:55:40,820
At 6.30 we have a question and answer period where we're just available.

768
00:55:41,140 --> 00:55:46,780
And so we would like to be able to have a discussion about the meeting and follow our agenda.

769
00:55:46,780 --> 00:55:53,800
Okay. All right. So what I will do is on their behalf, they're not going to want this. It's

770
00:55:53,800 --> 00:56:00,080
going to be too dense and too many cars. It will change their values. You've seen the comments

771
00:56:00,080 --> 00:56:05,700
in the letters and the summaries of phone calls that were in there. And I agree with a lot

772
00:56:05,700 --> 00:56:12,260
of what they're saying. What my goal here is to have the City Council consider thinking

773
00:56:12,260 --> 00:56:15,300
differently about where we're going with this crisis in Utah.

774
00:56:15,980 --> 00:56:19,820
The state legislature, obviously, they've put out some mandates, and I think that those

775
00:56:19,820 --> 00:56:22,060
are significant to look at.

776
00:56:22,180 --> 00:56:26,280
They are only effective, I believe, May 1st of this year, so this might be the first

777
00:56:26,280 --> 00:56:26,900
one that you're seeing.

778
00:56:27,820 --> 00:56:30,640
This is a rezone request to R4.

779
00:56:30,720 --> 00:56:37,220
I didn't think I would want to go with the RM, but I do think that the challenge

780
00:56:37,220 --> 00:56:42,400
of building something, developing and building something underneath the state's guideline

781
00:56:42,400 --> 00:56:48,940
where there's a $20,000 first home incentive, it has to be number one, new construction,

782
00:56:49,660 --> 00:56:59,280
and it has to be under $450,000. I believe that in order for something like this to

783
00:56:59,280 --> 00:57:05,780
go through, I believe that shared walls are going to be necessary to do this. I don't

784
00:57:05,780 --> 00:57:10,820
think that we're seeing anything in all of West Caseville with shared walls at

785
00:57:10,820 --> 00:57:15,060
all. I don't know if there's even been a duplex approved, but the two that are

786
00:57:15,060 --> 00:57:21,920
second north and south, the entire city, and west of I-15, it doesn't appear

787
00:57:21,920 --> 00:57:27,340
there's actually a shared wall building that has been put there in the

788
00:57:27,340 --> 00:57:31,640
last, I don't know how many years. There's a couple that are R2 on the

789
00:57:31,640 --> 00:57:36,260
mapping, but when you drive through there, they're very small lots, but they're single

790
00:57:36,260 --> 00:57:45,020
family dwellings. So the bids that I get tell me, if larger lots are to be built on this

791
00:57:45,020 --> 00:57:53,920
property, the cost of the lot alone will bump up to almost $400,000 if an average land

792
00:57:53,920 --> 00:58:00,400
cost, development cost, and if any developer were to make a profit, that's real. It's

793
00:58:00,400 --> 00:58:07,740
going to be in the very high 3738390 range. Be that as it is, I want you to

794
00:58:07,740 --> 00:58:11,640
consider a couple of things that have been coming. The Shepherd Lane

795
00:58:11,640 --> 00:58:16,080
extension and the grant money that the city received, where the roundabout is on

796
00:58:16,080 --> 00:58:19,840
Shepherd Lane and that was extended kind of for now a road to nowhere but from

797
00:58:19,840 --> 00:58:24,800
what I understood from prior years that money was earmarked to help get the

798
00:58:24,800 --> 00:58:28,700
future frontage road and also to not drain the traffic but direct that

799
00:58:28,700 --> 00:58:32,720
traffic in that whole neighborhood and the neighborhood south along that

800
00:58:32,720 --> 00:58:35,960
extension of Shepherd Lane to the roundabout which now there's so many

801
00:58:35,960 --> 00:58:40,720
people that are going down to the Farmington 950 north exit to get on the

802
00:58:40,720 --> 00:58:46,180
Davis the new Davis highway I believe there's also and is there a map of the

803
00:58:46,180 --> 00:58:50,960
there's an overview of the map of just the north where I believe it's sea

804
00:58:50,960 --> 00:58:55,880
biscuit and mayor intersection comes I bring this about because for I don't

805
00:58:55,880 --> 00:59:00,220
I don't know how many years now, there's been diagonal barriers there that prevent the entire

806
00:59:00,220 --> 00:59:03,800
neighborhood from going east up that dirt road to empty onto sunset.

807
00:59:04,280 --> 00:59:08,780
There is a huge demand for traffic to get out of there and not go north and east upon

808
00:59:08,780 --> 00:59:09,180
Western.

809
00:59:10,920 --> 00:59:17,660
No, it's a, they call it an agricultural access and I believe the city, the city

810
00:59:17,660 --> 00:59:22,660
owns the parcel, there's two parcels and I believe that says private right there

811
00:59:22,660 --> 00:59:23,600
in the center of.

812
00:59:23,600 --> 00:59:26,260
So the city owns both of those parcels.

813
00:59:26,340 --> 00:59:30,160
The history was the city and the county swapped lands many years ago

814
00:59:30,160 --> 00:59:32,480
and the county didn't want anything to do with it.

815
00:59:32,740 --> 00:59:34,460
But it's called, I think legally,

816
00:59:34,640 --> 00:59:36,260
maybe your legal team can tell,

817
00:59:36,360 --> 00:59:38,300
I think it's an agricultural access

818
00:59:39,000 --> 00:59:40,500
until future things happen.

819
00:59:40,960 --> 00:59:42,700
Anyway, the point is...

820
00:59:42,700 --> 00:59:43,240
May I?

821
00:59:43,580 --> 00:59:44,340
Councilmember Rokes.

822
00:59:45,480 --> 00:59:48,780
Are you talking about the road that's on Mayor Lane

823
00:59:48,780 --> 00:59:50,220
that goes from Mayor to Sunset?

824
00:59:50,220 --> 00:59:55,300
or you're talking the part of the 550 West that see that will end up being

825
00:59:55,300 --> 00:59:59,480
see best get in the future I think as it goes down towards Angel.

826
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:06,160
I assume so, but every property along that whole sector in there has an agricultural access

827
01:00:06,160 --> 01:00:13,120
across it. There's challenges to get that done. It's only 50 feet wide. I believe the city owns

828
01:00:13,120 --> 01:00:19,080
both of the parcels. I don't know that it ever got dedicated as a proper right of way. Right

829
01:00:19,080 --> 01:00:26,040
with that word private is to the west

830
01:00:33,850 --> 01:00:41,210
yes and there's two opposing left hand

831
01:00:41,210 --> 01:00:46,630
turns which the city in the past said so that will be vacated at some point

832
01:00:46,630 --> 01:00:52,990
anyway the point is that I believe all of the traffic will be heading south I've

833
01:00:52,990 --> 01:00:55,750
been told that the private lane in front of my property

834
01:00:56,230 --> 01:01:00,710
will be a 66 foot wide road if and when that ever happens.

835
01:01:01,310 --> 01:01:04,170
That's more of like more of a collector size.

836
01:01:04,350 --> 01:01:05,510
It's not the 55 feet.

837
01:01:05,790 --> 01:01:08,510
So all of us have to give up more space

838
01:01:08,510 --> 01:01:11,190
because it would be reasonable to expect

839
01:01:11,750 --> 01:01:14,190
all of that Northwest traffic will

840
01:01:14,190 --> 01:01:17,210
go south, catch on that extension of Shepherd,

841
01:01:17,370 --> 01:01:18,530
and head down toward the freeway.

842
01:01:18,650 --> 01:01:20,250
It's the quickest way to go north.

843
01:01:20,970 --> 01:01:21,650
It is.

844
01:01:21,650 --> 01:01:29,250
And if you consider that, I'm certain the staff of the city is highly competent to ensure

845
01:01:29,250 --> 01:01:31,130
that safety and traffic will be covered.

846
01:01:31,510 --> 01:01:35,330
Nothing will happen in this area unless it's properly vetted by the city.

847
01:01:35,850 --> 01:01:41,830
So when people talk about traffic and safety, I believe the professionals employed by the

848
01:01:41,830 --> 01:01:43,290
city are more than capable.

849
01:01:44,610 --> 01:01:49,510
When we think about the shepherd lane and the exit that they're building on and off

850
01:01:49,510 --> 01:01:54,970
Trump off I-15. That's another one. I think a lot of the traffic is going to be directed

851
01:01:54,970 --> 01:02:01,670
south. There's also on the city's map, right north of 950 North, is a commercial zone.

852
01:02:02,510 --> 01:02:06,670
Well, no, it's not a commercial zone, but it's identified as commercial. It would appear

853
01:02:06,670 --> 01:02:12,030
that symphony homes and ivory homes are in the works right now watching what we're doing,

854
01:02:12,030 --> 01:02:19,030
and they might very likely be proposing kind of a master planner.

855
01:02:19,290 --> 01:02:28,530
I met with Symphony Homes and they want to get more properties under their umbrella to make it big and grant.

856
01:02:28,850 --> 01:02:32,810
I just don't want to sell. I want to do it myself.

857
01:02:33,090 --> 01:02:38,330
I have family interests. I have a large family and many nieces and nephews.

858
01:02:38,910 --> 01:02:44,610
They're not here tonight. They weren't there during the planning commission because they

859
01:02:44,610 --> 01:02:48,770
don't know we're having the meeting. They don't ever think that they can afford to live here.

860
01:02:49,310 --> 01:02:56,750
And a lot of them are afraid because there's such a passionate response to not allow anything

861
01:02:56,750 --> 01:03:06,250
to come in here. When we look at the circumstance in Caysville, there is one home under $450,000

862
01:03:06,250 --> 01:03:13,130
dollars in all of Caysville. It's one. It's on Crestwood Lane. It's just east of Main

863
01:03:13,130 --> 01:03:21,130
Street on the north side right by the professional center. That's it. There is one new home for

864
01:03:21,130 --> 01:03:28,350
sale. If you look on realestate.com or realtor.com and KSL, there's one home that's new. $699,000.

865
01:03:29,750 --> 01:03:35,070
The lowest existing home on KSL or realtor.com, the lowest, you can look at it right now,

866
01:03:35,070 --> 01:03:37,310
is $483,000.

867
01:03:41,160 --> 01:03:44,020
The Utah State, the first time home buyer assistance program,

868
01:03:44,180 --> 01:03:48,200
it provides $20,000 for new construction under 450.

869
01:03:49,080 --> 01:03:50,100
That's the criteria.

870
01:03:50,820 --> 01:03:53,020
When we look at all of the interest rates,

871
01:03:53,260 --> 01:03:58,080
when all of the cities, the work group that they did,

872
01:03:58,180 --> 01:03:59,120
the surveys that they did,

873
01:03:59,180 --> 01:04:01,220
that's part of the appendix of the general plan.

874
01:04:01,780 --> 01:04:05,180
Well, all that data was taken back in 2021, I believe.

875
01:04:05,440 --> 01:04:07,120
When we look at what interest rates were,

876
01:04:07,120 --> 01:04:10,620
they peaked just last October at a 7.3 something.

877
01:04:11,180 --> 01:04:12,980
Well, right now they're still in the mid-sixes.

878
01:04:13,480 --> 01:04:16,220
When all of the data that talks about what's affordable

879
01:04:16,220 --> 01:04:21,380
and the 30% of some kind of adjusted income, whatever,

880
01:04:21,760 --> 01:04:23,360
we are so far beyond that.

881
01:04:23,460 --> 01:04:26,200
There are so many people that would like to live in Caseville

882
01:04:26,200 --> 01:04:28,260
and there's zero opportunity for them.

883
01:04:28,740 --> 01:04:30,420
So what I'm presenting for you

884
01:04:31,020 --> 01:04:34,000
as I've combed through the general plan,

885
01:04:34,000 --> 01:04:43,800
I have looked very closely, this is my opinion, but it appears that we are segregationists.

886
01:04:45,810 --> 01:04:53,610
It appears that we will not allow anybody that has a lower income to enjoy anything in West

887
01:04:53,610 --> 01:05:03,350
Kaysville, how when I look at the federal laws, when we look at,

888
01:05:06,470 --> 01:05:09,730
I think it's the attorneys

889
01:05:09,730 --> 01:05:16,850
might have to help me here, if I think it's the Equal Protection Clause, it implies that

890
01:05:16,850 --> 01:05:21,710
we can't segregate, we can't differentiate based upon class.

891
01:05:21,710 --> 01:05:30,790
class. Income has been interpreted in Texas to be class. So what I'm, Mayor?

892
01:05:31,230 --> 01:05:39,510
Go ahead. I do have a question for you. So what I believe needs to happen is in some

893
01:05:39,510 --> 01:05:47,470
of the remaining areas that are still developable, this would be an opportunity to have something

894
01:05:47,470 --> 01:05:52,910
that is different. That is affordable. When we look at the general plan, and I've got a

895
01:05:52,910 --> 01:06:01,770
lot of notes to go over, I have researched this extensively, and I could bring up so

896
01:06:01,770 --> 01:06:07,810
many bullet points of how this does qualify. And like Melinda said, that there's conflicting

897
01:06:07,810 --> 01:06:13,030
parts of the general plan. We want to comply with what the state's mandate is. When the

898
01:06:13,030 --> 01:06:19,570
state has a mandate, there's also a reporting every single year. And when you report, you

899
01:06:19,570 --> 01:06:25,030
have to report on every decision that you make, as far as I understand. And if I give

900
01:06:25,030 --> 01:06:33,090
you a good faith opportunity to hit multiple points of your stated goals in the general

901
01:06:33,090 --> 01:06:37,650
plan, I find it very hard that you would deny it.

902
01:06:37,670 --> 01:06:41,450
Okay. I have a question that appreciate what you've shared with us. And I also appreciate

903
01:06:41,450 --> 01:06:45,410
the fact that you're talking about the goals to provide attainable housing, right?

904
01:06:45,510 --> 01:06:47,950
We all understand that. We appreciate that, I would think.

905
01:06:49,270 --> 01:06:53,610
I have a question. So Planning Commission made a recommendation to you to come back with a development agreement

906
01:06:53,610 --> 01:06:59,530
because everything that you're talking about can be contained and controlled through a development agreement.

907
01:06:59,710 --> 01:07:02,090
What you're talking about is what we're all trying to accomplish.

908
01:07:02,270 --> 01:07:05,910
We want owner-occupied properties and we want affordable properties.

909
01:07:05,910 --> 01:07:09,170
And so there are two deed restrictions that you could potentially put on your properties

910
01:07:09,170 --> 01:07:13,210
in order to accomplish both of those things through a development agreement.

911
01:07:13,450 --> 01:07:18,190
It would give us the security of knowing that is actually what we're going to get in the

912
01:07:18,190 --> 01:07:18,390
end.

913
01:07:18,750 --> 01:07:23,670
So I guess my biggest question is, are you opposed to a development agreement?

914
01:07:24,230 --> 01:07:26,450
You didn't come back with it, and so...

915
01:07:26,450 --> 01:07:31,770
Well, there was a recent rezone from agricultural to R120.

916
01:07:32,530 --> 01:07:36,190
I do not believe reading that there was a development agreement for that.

917
01:07:36,570 --> 01:07:38,030
Which project are you talking about?

918
01:07:38,250 --> 01:07:39,550
I would have to go back and look.

919
01:07:39,650 --> 01:07:41,210
It would be within the last year and a half.

920
01:07:41,730 --> 01:07:47,170
There was an R120 rezone that was granted, but there was no development agreement for that.

921
01:07:47,770 --> 01:07:49,750
So why would...

922
01:07:49,750 --> 01:07:55,990
I found nowhere in the code that said development agreements are required on zoning changes.

923
01:07:56,630 --> 01:07:57,170
They are.

924
01:07:57,390 --> 01:07:59,810
They're not required, but they are recommended.

925
01:07:59,810 --> 01:08:05,710
My preference would to be not encumbered by anything that would be a rider on top of that.

926
01:08:06,830 --> 01:08:08,250
Council Member Adams.

927
01:08:09,430 --> 01:08:18,230
I mean I think you see why for us that's we lose all capability of controlling what goes there.

928
01:08:18,550 --> 01:08:21,870
Is there anything wrong with trusting landowners?

929
01:08:22,410 --> 01:08:22,870
Yeah.

930
01:08:27,010 --> 01:08:34,610
Why doesn't your code require it? If it's not required, I'm not asking for extra encumbrances.

931
01:08:35,410 --> 01:08:37,050
I'm just asking to be treated fairly.

932
01:08:37,470 --> 01:08:43,950
Well, what you're asking is for us to increase the density by like 100 times.

933
01:08:44,530 --> 01:08:45,250
Based upon what?

934
01:08:45,610 --> 01:08:52,670
Well, I understand all of the things you're mentioning, like Mayor said, those are all things that we want solved.

935
01:08:52,670 --> 01:09:00,810
We want more families to be able to afford homes and we want to somehow provide that.

936
01:09:01,510 --> 01:09:08,070
The issue with what you're saying is how do we know you're going to do that?

937
01:09:08,190 --> 01:09:09,890
We're just supposed to trust that you'll do that.

938
01:09:10,050 --> 01:09:14,030
You should trust that I would follow the R4's zoning and the building requirements.

939
01:09:14,590 --> 01:09:17,290
R4's zoning could be homes that are $600,000.

940
01:09:17,650 --> 01:09:18,350
You should change the zoning.

941
01:09:20,490 --> 01:09:21,370
Am I not right?

942
01:09:22,030 --> 01:09:22,270
No.

943
01:09:22,270 --> 01:09:28,990
I don't know what you're saying. You should delineate what is allowed or not allowed. I'm trustworthy and I'm honest

944
01:09:28,990 --> 01:09:33,070
And we're not we're not questioning your integrity. Yeah, no definitely not

945
01:09:33,070 --> 01:09:38,010
I think we're saying generally speaking yeah, and I think what we're trying to say at least from my standpoint

946
01:09:38,010 --> 01:09:42,990
And I don't know if we're at the comment stage, but there's so much missing in your plan

947
01:09:42,990 --> 01:09:49,030
I mean no no mention of where the roads are gonna come in and out of and north and south right there in that private lane

948
01:09:49,030 --> 01:09:51,030
Are you planning to pay for both roads?

949
01:09:51,430 --> 01:09:55,790
I will pay my pioneering agreement when the big boys come in ivory and symphony

950
01:09:55,790 --> 01:09:57,050
and they're right on the heels.

951
01:09:57,190 --> 01:10:02,910
And that's fine, but I want to see that before I, you know, ever approve a reason.

952
01:10:03,350 --> 01:10:08,850
Do you require all reasons to have the full plans with full construction plans?

953
01:10:09,270 --> 01:10:10,470
Am I being singled out?

954
01:10:11,110 --> 01:10:13,210
I don't think you're being singled out.

955
01:10:13,310 --> 01:10:15,810
I think there's just something that we have to look at.

956
01:10:15,810 --> 01:10:20,930
Like, from my standpoint, I can't sit here and, you know, hodgepodge.

957
01:10:21,170 --> 01:10:25,830
I mean, yours is a very, very small piece in an overall plan.

958
01:10:25,970 --> 01:10:30,150
And our job as a council is to look at the overall plan.

959
01:10:30,310 --> 01:10:36,590
We're to plan for the future if we allow everybody to take their two acres and rezone it

960
01:10:36,590 --> 01:10:37,090
and rezone it.

961
01:10:37,290 --> 01:10:40,270
We hodgepodge the whole plan.

962
01:10:40,270 --> 01:10:48,110
and yeah for me it's a big part of me ever changing reason is show me what

963
01:10:48,110 --> 01:10:53,010
it's going to look like all of it. Can you pull up Melinda can you pull up the

964
01:10:53,010 --> 01:10:57,770
concept plan? Well I see the concept of your little piece but I don't know what

965
01:10:57,770 --> 01:11:01,090
symphonies can do. So James and Julie Purine which are my neighbors to the

966
01:11:01,090 --> 01:11:07,410
south they are in a I never mind they they can't attend these meetings

967
01:11:07,410 --> 01:11:09,070
for their personal reasons.

968
01:11:09,950 --> 01:11:12,270
They are in agreement with me that we would have

969
01:11:12,270 --> 01:11:16,470
a mirror image of both of ours because we need safety,

970
01:11:16,750 --> 01:11:18,850
we need entrance, we need exit.

971
01:11:19,550 --> 01:11:22,630
So what this shows is my 2.8 acres.

972
01:11:23,290 --> 01:11:24,830
The purines are just south of this,

973
01:11:24,970 --> 01:11:26,590
they're almost a mirror image of mine.

974
01:11:27,190 --> 01:11:29,370
So it would be sort of a horseshoe shape

975
01:11:29,370 --> 01:11:30,330
except we're on the side.

976
01:11:31,750 --> 01:11:35,510
So like prior plans that were done and proposed,

977
01:11:36,050 --> 01:11:41,530
people wanted to do cul-de-sacs and exclude anybody else and not clear out

978
01:11:41,530 --> 01:11:46,410
space for the future road which is now eight feet. It used to be only two and a

979
01:11:46,410 --> 01:11:50,150
half feet. We're all going to have to give up eight feet in order to give the

980
01:11:50,150 --> 01:11:56,570
road its proper access of 66 feet wide. What I'm willing to do is include and

981
01:11:56,570 --> 01:12:00,070
work with my neighbors to the south so that this would be one cohesive

982
01:12:00,950 --> 01:12:05,390
subdivision that would enter and exit off of almost a major collector of

983
01:12:05,390 --> 01:12:11,150
66 feet wide, which is looked at as 550 West. This would be self-contained. It would loop.

984
01:12:11,270 --> 01:12:17,150
I've talked to the engineers. This works. This is 55 feet. This would have sidewalks on both

985
01:12:17,150 --> 01:12:28,290
sides, front setbacks of 25 feet, which is standard in the R8, R16, or R18, R16, RM4

986
01:12:28,290 --> 01:12:34,510
and 2. That is consistent throughout the city as far as the design and the concept

987
01:12:34,510 --> 01:12:36,650
of giving it what is standard in the city?

988
01:12:37,290 --> 01:12:37,930
I understand.

989
01:12:38,530 --> 01:12:39,790
Here's the thing, Mr. Carl,

990
01:12:39,930 --> 01:12:42,850
I believe what Mayor was asking you

991
01:12:42,850 --> 01:12:47,450
that you're not answering is your excuse

992
01:12:48,030 --> 01:12:52,510
for why we should quadruple how many times

993
01:12:52,510 --> 01:12:57,370
the density in this area is because homes cost so much now

994
01:12:57,370 --> 01:12:58,670
that people can't afford them

995
01:12:59,070 --> 01:13:00,450
and that they wouldn't qualify

996
01:13:00,450 --> 01:13:03,170
unless they were in the $400,000 range.

997
01:13:03,170 --> 01:13:09,810
yet yet you're not willing to do a development agreement where you where you

998
01:13:09,810 --> 01:13:15,750
bind yourself to only selling to those people I mean you're trying to get us

999
01:13:15,750 --> 01:13:20,810
to do it for one reason but you're not willing to commit to do what you're

1000
01:13:20,810 --> 01:13:25,150
saying you would do and that and that's where it's like wait this kind of

1001
01:13:25,150 --> 01:13:33,150
feels like a bait and switch even though it may not be it feels like a

1002
01:13:33,150 --> 01:13:36,270
No, no, I'm just saying, yeah, yeah.

1003
01:13:36,270 --> 01:13:37,430
Or deceiving you.

1004
01:13:37,570 --> 01:13:39,290
Well then why aren't you doing a development agreement?

1005
01:13:39,370 --> 01:13:44,730
Do you have any evidence to believe that I have deceived you in any way, shape, or form?

1006
01:13:44,730 --> 01:13:46,530
No, no, no. I'm not saying you're deceiving.

1007
01:13:46,770 --> 01:13:48,950
So we must assume people are telling the truth.

1008
01:13:49,590 --> 01:13:52,450
What we're assuming in this situation is factual.

1009
01:13:52,750 --> 01:13:58,050
You're taking an agricultural property that's zoned agricultural land undeveloped to this point,

1010
01:13:58,210 --> 01:14:00,730
and you're wanting to put housing on it, and that's great.

1011
01:14:00,730 --> 01:14:07,770
Sometimes when we have a zone that is, you know, it's already housing, and they want to add a lot behind it.

1012
01:14:07,950 --> 01:14:12,290
So, you know, like you have the property that you chose to do that in West, or in East Caseville on.

1013
01:14:12,670 --> 01:14:15,990
And that's a lot simpler process. This is a development.

1014
01:14:16,750 --> 01:14:23,390
And so, therefore, we do ask for development agreements when the rezone is such a drastic difference from what's currently there.

1015
01:14:23,950 --> 01:14:25,850
Is that true? Is that in policy?

1016
01:14:27,250 --> 01:14:33,350
It's our preference. This is a legislative body, so we can do that. It's not part of our

1017
01:14:33,350 --> 01:14:34,370
requirement to do that.

1018
01:14:34,390 --> 01:14:43,010
What I'm presenting to you is a plan to bring affordable houses. The general plan says it

1019
01:14:43,010 --> 01:14:46,910
doesn't say that they just need to be near the city center. That's not what it says.

1020
01:14:46,910 --> 01:14:50,270
It says most, it doesn't say all of them.

1021
01:14:52,670 --> 01:14:59,130
The state's mandate is that these be heavily considered.

1022
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:09,320
I will tell you, so we were in a Utah cities, a Utah, ULCT meeting today. Yes, thank you. Thank you, Councilmember Oaks.

1023
01:15:09,760 --> 01:15:17,680
And we were talking about this specifically. And it is within our legislative power as a body to require development agreements on re-zones.

1024
01:15:18,240 --> 01:15:24,880
We don't have to require them. We could as a body require them. It's not in our code necessarily, but it is within our authority to do that.

1025
01:15:24,880 --> 01:15:32,840
And so I mean, this is not a personal sort of we're questioning anything about you or questioning your integrity.

1026
01:15:33,080 --> 01:15:36,480
We're just questioning the project and we're saying we'd like more detail.

1027
01:15:36,940 --> 01:15:39,720
At least I'm saying this. Now I'm a non-voting member of this body.

1028
01:15:39,860 --> 01:15:45,760
But from my experience and my preference would be that you provide a development agreement so that we can see the detail.

1029
01:15:45,960 --> 01:15:48,720
So we know as a community what we're committing to, what you talked about.

1030
01:15:48,880 --> 01:15:50,220
You talked about the properties around you.

1031
01:15:50,500 --> 01:15:51,540
We know those properties.

1032
01:15:51,680 --> 01:15:53,320
We know who the owners of those properties are.

1033
01:15:53,320 --> 01:15:55,600
and we do know that eventually they'll be developed.

1034
01:15:56,060 --> 01:15:56,840
We understand that.

1035
01:15:57,240 --> 01:15:59,180
So it's really behooves us and it's really

1036
01:15:59,180 --> 01:16:01,660
a heavy responsibility for us from our perspective

1037
01:16:01,660 --> 01:16:04,720
to say, okay, knowing that this other land

1038
01:16:04,720 --> 01:16:06,680
will be developed, we wanna make sure

1039
01:16:06,680 --> 01:16:10,320
that what we do approve in a smaller development

1040
01:16:11,020 --> 01:16:13,020
will align with the master plan

1041
01:16:13,020 --> 01:16:16,260
for what as a community we're wanting to see there.

1042
01:16:16,360 --> 01:16:18,360
And I think that that's what John was trying to explain.

1043
01:16:18,920 --> 01:16:22,920
So the takeaway from our perspective

1044
01:16:22,920 --> 01:16:27,900
is not know the city singling us out and and we're being preferential or we're

1045
01:16:27,900 --> 01:16:32,200
being negative or whatever you're in a segregation exactly and we do have some

1046
01:16:32,200 --> 01:16:35,300
projects in West Caseville that are twin homes that have been that have been

1047
01:16:35,300 --> 01:16:41,960
entitled we haven't really seen them not twin homes I'm sorry town homes we do

1048
01:16:41,960 --> 01:16:44,460
have twin homes in West Caseville as well that have already been built so

1049
01:16:44,460 --> 01:16:49,200
those entitled as an R2, R4, or M? Melinda would have to remind me of that.

1050
01:16:53,050 --> 01:16:57,030
The ones right next to Smiths are our two.

1051
01:16:58,770 --> 01:17:02,150
So I'm just saying, we're not trying to segregate the community.

1052
01:17:02,550 --> 01:17:05,810
East side gets multi, you know, density, west side does not.

1053
01:17:05,930 --> 01:17:08,530
That is not part of the city's plan.

1054
01:17:08,530 --> 01:17:14,850
But in this area, there's not a single, if you take 200 north and you go south,

1055
01:17:15,610 --> 01:17:18,210
on the zoning map, there's not a single one.

1056
01:17:18,210 --> 01:17:23,460
And the general plan says that it should be dispersed,

1057
01:17:24,220 --> 01:17:25,760
mostly up here in the northeast.

1058
01:17:26,620 --> 01:17:28,740
But also if you look at like the public comment,

1059
01:17:29,260 --> 01:17:32,920
the northeast quadrant in the survey show that they felt more burdened

1060
01:17:32,920 --> 01:17:34,600
by having all of it there.

1061
01:17:37,120 --> 01:17:37,680
Okay.

1062
01:17:39,860 --> 01:17:42,080
Council Member Blackham.

1063
01:17:42,440 --> 01:17:47,540
Well, I'd just like to say that a general plan is not the

1064
01:17:47,540 --> 01:17:48,880
Council's general plan.

1065
01:17:48,960 --> 01:17:50,800
It's the citizens of CASEL's general plan.

1066
01:17:50,800 --> 01:17:56,060
There was a lot of input in this general plan and there are some takeoffs that you might

1067
01:17:56,060 --> 01:18:00,260
be able not to get in black and white on paper, but one of the things that I got at the general

1068
01:18:00,260 --> 01:18:05,480
plan meeting with the citizens time after time after time and listening to their comments was

1069
01:18:06,640 --> 01:18:14,080
we want detached single family dwellings in Caysville and we don't want to disrupt our

1070
01:18:14,080 --> 01:18:19,340
existing neighborhoods. Those are two things that you can do a development without doing

1071
01:18:19,340 --> 01:18:25,580
those things. Like for instance, you're down there in an area where it was A5. A5 was 5 acres,

1072
01:18:25,780 --> 01:18:31,160
you can put one house on 5 acres. It's also A1, which is 40,000 square foot lots. Then they went

1073
01:18:31,160 --> 01:18:39,140
to RA. RA is what the subdivision to the north of you is. Those lots are not all 21,780 square

1074
01:18:39,140 --> 01:18:43,900
feet. There are some that were smaller. Originally RA was 30,000 square foot. They

1075
01:18:43,900 --> 01:18:45,580
reduced it down to be a half acre.

1076
01:18:45,700 --> 01:18:47,900
So it could still be an agricultural zone.

1077
01:18:49,700 --> 01:18:52,220
So when you take that, and you look at that, and you say,

1078
01:18:52,280 --> 01:18:53,260
OK, you can still be out.

1079
01:18:53,680 --> 01:18:56,560
And then you did the R120 came in, which is 20,000

1080
01:18:56,560 --> 01:18:57,200
square foot lots.

1081
01:18:57,680 --> 01:18:58,400
It was knowledge.

1082
01:18:58,640 --> 01:19:01,360
It was well known that West Caysville, and that was in

1083
01:19:01,360 --> 01:19:03,740
our existing general plan before this one was changed,

1084
01:19:04,240 --> 01:19:06,720
that lots developed in West Caysville should be at two

1085
01:19:06,720 --> 01:19:07,560
units per acre.

1086
01:19:07,920 --> 01:19:10,000
So a lot of the infrastructure was put into that.

1087
01:19:10,000 --> 01:19:13,400
But we've improved that over the time.

1088
01:19:14,300 --> 01:19:19,080
But as you can see, even the RA where the lots to the north

1089
01:19:19,080 --> 01:19:24,300
of you may be smaller than the 21, 780 of a half acre, which

1090
01:19:24,300 --> 01:19:25,360
RA requires.

1091
01:19:25,460 --> 01:19:28,720
It's because they took so much out of those lots, and they

1092
01:19:28,720 --> 01:19:31,760
build a common open space in the area in order to do that.

1093
01:19:32,360 --> 01:19:35,640
So that was one of the things that was done through a

1094
01:19:35,640 --> 01:19:38,440
development agreement that they agreed on doing.

1095
01:19:38,440 --> 01:19:43,600
Now, you could literally take what the property that you're asking for here.

1096
01:19:43,720 --> 01:19:49,380
You could have come in with a different zone that would have had detached single family dwellings.

1097
01:19:49,740 --> 01:19:55,720
You could have gone to an R110, which in theory would be four units per acre,

1098
01:19:55,800 --> 01:19:59,380
which would have been a 100% increase in densities in that area.

1099
01:19:59,700 --> 01:20:04,000
That's exactly what the state has asked us to do, look for higher densities.

1100
01:20:04,440 --> 01:20:05,800
That would be a higher density.

1101
01:20:05,800 --> 01:20:13,140
It doesn't say, the state didn't say, every development that comes into your city has to meet the affordable housing.

1102
01:20:13,640 --> 01:20:20,500
It says you need to work on your cities, your general plans to help do that, and we've done that.

1103
01:20:20,620 --> 01:20:23,560
We've actually complied with the state requirement.

1104
01:20:24,820 --> 01:20:29,620
Two units per acre, we all sit up here now and say, that's probably not reasonable.

1105
01:20:29,620 --> 01:20:38,080
OK, but four units per acre next to a subdivision that technically is two units per acre, although

1106
01:20:38,080 --> 01:20:42,920
some of the lots are smaller because they came up some open space, so they could have that.

1107
01:20:44,180 --> 01:20:47,200
But realistically, you could put something like an R110.

1108
01:20:47,440 --> 01:20:52,260
It would have a 30-foot setback, 8-foot side yards, 15-foot rear yard.

1109
01:20:52,720 --> 01:20:57,140
Driving down the street, you wouldn't really know the difference between the subdivision

1110
01:20:57,140 --> 01:21:03,640
to the north of you in this subdivision, yet it would be a 100% increase in density. That

1111
01:21:03,640 --> 01:21:08,640
to me is quite a bit different. If you would have come in with something like that with

1112
01:21:08,640 --> 01:21:15,120
a development agreement of some kind saying that these need to be owner occupied, I think

1113
01:21:15,120 --> 01:21:19,820
I would be open to something like that and looking at it. To me, that's a drastic change

1114
01:21:19,820 --> 01:21:26,940
for West Caysville, but it also says it's following what the people who got

1115
01:21:26,940 --> 01:21:31,920
involved in the general plan, it follows what they wanted, it also increases

1116
01:21:31,920 --> 01:21:36,860
density, it does a lot of things the general plan asks us to do.

1117
01:21:39,560 --> 01:21:39,960
I think

1118
01:21:39,960 --> 01:21:46,420
what you're asking us to do is way beyond what the general plan says for this

1119
01:21:46,420 --> 01:21:52,160
area yes you're right okay and what one of the main points is is that the general

1120
01:21:52,160 --> 01:21:58,440
plan and what you're saying with R-110 does not get anywhere near the quote

1121
01:21:58,440 --> 01:22:05,300
affordable housing it's nowhere near it and as I said the state did not say

1122
01:22:05,300 --> 01:22:09,920
that every development in your city has to meet the affordable housing it

1123
01:22:09,920 --> 01:22:15,320
does now you got to understand you do an R-110 people can tend to move up

1124
01:22:15,320 --> 01:22:20,180
into those subdivisions. They work to get up into those subdivisions. Maybe it

1125
01:22:20,180 --> 01:22:24,680
may not be a first-time home buyer, but it might be a second or third-time home

1126
01:22:24,680 --> 01:22:28,700
buyer's house that they'll buy that they just vacated a first-time home

1127
01:22:28,700 --> 01:22:35,180
somebody else can buy and start out in. That's what we're looking for. And so I

1128
01:22:35,180 --> 01:22:38,800
think the council is willing to work in the general plan and work towards

1129
01:22:38,800 --> 01:22:43,580
something like this, and we're willing to listen to you, and we want

1130
01:22:43,580 --> 01:22:50,000
to find ways to make housing in Caysville, but this is just too big a jump and too big

1131
01:22:50,000 --> 01:22:52,300
of an ask for this area.

1132
01:22:52,560 --> 01:22:57,180
It does change the make of the neighborhoods in the area.

1133
01:22:57,460 --> 01:23:01,640
You could do this without doing that and still increase the densities.

1134
01:23:02,340 --> 01:23:02,640
Okay.

1135
01:23:03,160 --> 01:23:05,860
Increasing the density is one thing.

1136
01:23:06,320 --> 01:23:09,040
If we go one percent, that's increasing it.

1137
01:23:09,380 --> 01:23:09,680
Sure.

1138
01:23:09,980 --> 01:23:12,060
We're talking 100 percent increase, realistically.

1139
01:23:12,060 --> 01:23:21,440
Even 100% goes nowhere near helping the crisis, the state, and the state has mandated to try

1140
01:23:21,440 --> 01:23:25,500
and address affordable for moderate income housing.

1141
01:23:26,060 --> 01:23:33,300
So what I'm presenting is a concept that it should be hitting all of the city's requirements

1142
01:23:33,300 --> 01:23:35,220
for this goal.

1143
01:23:36,020 --> 01:23:38,500
And you guys, we just disagree on opinion.

1144
01:23:38,500 --> 01:23:45,060
you all will have to make your decision and if you right I kind of knew what was

1145
01:23:45,060 --> 01:23:51,000
and realistically we're making the decision that from the information of

1146
01:23:51,000 --> 01:23:55,440
the 33,000 people now maybe there will be some differing people that will say

1147
01:23:55,440 --> 01:23:59,640
okay we want this everywhere but the majority of the people that came into

1148
01:23:59,640 --> 01:24:05,000
us and talked to us and the information we got from the general plan was what

1149
01:24:05,000 --> 01:24:10,260
I've been talking about. Thank you. Councilmember Oaks. It

1150
01:24:13,110 --> 01:24:15,130
is unreasonable for

1151
01:24:15,130 --> 01:24:19,530
people to believe that this land is not going to be developed. All that land there,

1152
01:24:20,150 --> 01:24:25,050
you know, I've read most of the emails of the letters that

1153
01:24:25,050 --> 01:24:29,350
came in and they're all pretty much the same. You know, I mean along the same

1154
01:24:29,350 --> 01:24:36,790
lines a lot. That area is going to be developed. But our responsibility, this

1155
01:24:36,790 --> 01:24:41,290
This is an opportunity for the city council and the city as a whole to how do we plan

1156
01:24:41,290 --> 01:24:44,050
this properly so it can sort of flow.

1157
01:24:44,610 --> 01:24:47,110
Yes, there's going to be higher density.

1158
01:24:47,350 --> 01:24:54,970
And I think as you get closer to the West Davis quarter, the interchanges, those are

1159
01:24:54,970 --> 01:24:57,150
the areas where the higher density needs to be.

1160
01:24:57,290 --> 01:25:01,650
And I don't even know what that means in the end, but it needs to flow out.

1161
01:25:01,650 --> 01:25:07,850
those residential areas are over there off of Mayor and Seabisc and others. So maybe the next

1162
01:25:08,490 --> 01:25:16,410
next set is R114. And then in R110, as you go out, sort of I think Melinda called it a

1163
01:25:16,410 --> 01:25:23,870
feathering aspect that helps with the flow of the city. And I will go back to what

1164
01:25:23,870 --> 01:25:30,130
Councilmember Radham said, just the unwillingness to entertain a development agreement and talk

1165
01:25:30,130 --> 01:25:36,230
through it. It just makes this question because you're right, it's not a requirement, it's

1166
01:25:36,230 --> 01:25:43,450
not in statute, but it's within our purview to ask for it, and the other folks who have

1167
01:25:44,150 --> 01:25:48,190
come in with asking for re-zones, we've asked for development agreements, we've asked for

1168
01:25:48,190 --> 01:25:51,710
them to work with the neighbors just to smooth the process and work.

1169
01:25:51,710 --> 01:26:03,570
can I make a point? So I did talk with staff and the communication that was talked about

1170
01:26:03,570 --> 01:26:13,570
was it could be maybe R16, it could be R18, it could be R110. And there's a big difference

1171
01:26:13,570 --> 01:26:20,470
between when you go to R110 you get 30 foot setbacks on the front. So my property is

1172
01:26:20,470 --> 01:26:23,010
It's 215 and a half feet north to south.

1173
01:26:23,350 --> 01:26:31,010
If you do the math, 55 foot road, you've got 80 feet north and south, 25 feet in the front

1174
01:26:31,010 --> 01:26:34,690
and 15 in the back, that leaves 40 feet front to back.

1175
01:26:35,090 --> 01:26:41,690
You can't build a livable home in anything less than about 38 feet front to back.

1176
01:26:42,790 --> 01:26:46,950
That's one of the main reasons why I was trying to get the 25 foot front setback.

1177
01:26:46,950 --> 01:26:51,170
and the the displeasure for me for a development agreement was this

1178
01:26:51,170 --> 01:26:54,510
encumbrance because I didn't know if it was gonna if you guys were going to bite

1179
01:26:54,510 --> 01:27:00,090
on R16 or R18, R2, R110 is the non-starter for me because I

1180
01:27:00,090 --> 01:27:05,090
can't accomplish what I want to do. My children want to live here. All of my

1181
01:27:05,090 --> 01:27:08,170
children's friends want to live here. They don't come to any of our planning

1182
01:27:08,170 --> 01:27:11,690
or city council meetings and voice their opinion. They don't even know we're

1183
01:27:11,690 --> 01:27:15,350
meeting. They have no dream of being able to live here because there's

1184
01:27:15,350 --> 01:27:18,230
There's nothing under $485,000.

1185
01:27:20,670 --> 01:27:23,670
Brian, to your point, I will say, you know, my kids are like your kids.

1186
01:27:23,890 --> 01:27:24,770
They've been watching our meetings.

1187
01:27:24,950 --> 01:27:26,350
They would like to be able to afford case velocity.

1188
01:27:27,110 --> 01:27:31,970
What I think you hear us telling you is we would love to see a development agreement.

1189
01:27:32,150 --> 01:27:37,670
We would love to see you commit to something because it's one thing not that you're questioning whether or not you're going to do this.

1190
01:27:37,830 --> 01:27:44,390
But anecdotally, and we have experienced this in our city and other developments, developer will come and say, hey, this is going to be affordable.

1191
01:27:44,390 --> 01:27:47,930
give me give me a little bit more density and we've done it in years past

1192
01:27:47,930 --> 01:27:53,110
I've been on the planning I've been involved in the city now for almost seven years planning commission counsel to this and

1193
01:27:53,810 --> 01:27:58,910
And then we'll we'll come back and we'll say well how much how much are these homes and they are not affordable

1194
01:27:58,910 --> 01:28:01,110
They're six hundred thousand dollars and they'll say yeah

1195
01:28:01,110 --> 01:28:06,670
They just didn't pencil and our end our expectation was you said they would be five hundred thousand or less and

1196
01:28:07,330 --> 01:28:12,050
And they are not well can you come into what the interest rates are going to be in a year or two years from now

1197
01:28:12,050 --> 01:28:16,030
I cannot but the state has given us some tools to allow commitment to this.

1198
01:28:16,210 --> 01:28:24,190
They've allowed us to deed restrict properties to request that and deed restrict affordability so that we can all get to the same place because we do want to solve it together.

1199
01:28:24,650 --> 01:28:29,690
This is not a resistance saying we don't care about people and we don't care about our kids having homes to live in.

1200
01:28:29,910 --> 01:28:36,170
It's saying that if the city is going to give up some density, we want to make sure that we get the return that we're expecting.

1201
01:28:36,450 --> 01:28:38,510
And I do have to leave, so I apologize for that.

1202
01:28:38,510 --> 01:28:44,350
If Council Member Hunt does not have anything to say right now, I would like to make a motion.

1203
01:28:45,930 --> 01:28:47,270
Yes, go ahead, Council Member.

1204
01:28:47,670 --> 01:28:59,730
I'll make a motion that we deny the reason of 2.8 acres of property located at 1735 South 550 West from A1 Light Agriculture to R401 to 4 Family Residential by Brian Carly.

1205
01:28:59,990 --> 01:29:00,410
All second.

1206
01:29:00,710 --> 01:29:02,750
Okay, we have a motion and a second. Council Member Hunt.

1207
01:29:03,890 --> 01:29:04,810
Is this to deny?

1208
01:29:05,490 --> 01:29:05,770
Yeah.

1209
01:29:06,030 --> 01:29:06,490
I believe so.

1210
01:29:09,910 --> 01:29:11,630
motion carries. Thank you, Mr. Carling.

1211
01:29:16,480 --> 01:29:17,160
Do I move over?

1212
01:29:17,840 --> 01:29:18,100
You should.

1213
01:29:19,160 --> 01:29:19,940
You don't have to move over.

1214
01:29:20,160 --> 01:29:21,400
You can stay where you're at.

1215
01:29:21,560 --> 01:29:22,380
No, be in the middle.

1216
01:29:22,960 --> 01:29:23,520
I want to be there.

1217
01:29:23,540 --> 01:29:24,360
But you need to gavel.

1218
01:29:31,100 --> 01:29:31,420
All right.

1219
01:29:32,560 --> 01:29:36,440
Our next, I'm playing Mayor Pro Tem.

1220
01:29:37,140 --> 01:29:37,140
So,

1221
01:29:39,320 --> 01:29:39,480
sorry.

1222
01:29:40,420 --> 01:29:43,980
So our work item is a code blue shelter update.

1223
01:29:44,260 --> 01:29:45,220
So Mayor, wait, wait.

1224
01:29:45,540 --> 01:29:47,820
So Jason, will you be able to give that for the whole thing?

1225
01:29:48,780 --> 01:29:59,980
I wish I had more to say. I think probably a lot of you have seen in the news that there was a plan to purchase the Youth Correctional Facility out in the

1226
01:30:00,720 --> 01:30:07,280
The western portion of North Salt Lake City and that looks like it's not going to follow through or going to come through.

1227
01:30:07,400 --> 01:30:14,760
So they're kind of back to what next and they're still planning to meet and discuss other options.

1228
01:30:15,060 --> 01:30:18,840
So at this point, we don't have any further news on what's next.

1229
01:30:18,980 --> 01:30:24,680
Other than, I think we're probably going to go back to the same ideas that have been talked about, maybe the bus idea again.

1230
01:30:27,000 --> 01:30:32,560
So Jason, so what changed with the bus idea, because who didn't like that?

1231
01:30:32,800 --> 01:30:35,280
I mean, because I thought...

1232
01:30:35,280 --> 01:30:39,220
I think the biggest concern with the bus idea was that it's a temporary solution,

1233
01:30:39,380 --> 01:30:45,180
and both the county and the state, is my understanding, want more of a long-term solution.

1234
01:30:45,440 --> 01:30:49,900
And this building in North Salt Lake was going to solve a lot of problems.

1235
01:30:49,900 --> 01:30:57,360
it was going to be almost a turnkey type of building for a long-term solution, and also

1236
01:30:57,360 --> 01:31:00,900
provide beds for Salt Lake County, which is overflowing.

1237
01:31:02,040 --> 01:31:06,820
And so it's really, it got a lot of support from the state for funding because of that.

1238
01:31:06,980 --> 01:31:11,720
But then, if you've seen in the news, just like everywhere else, lots of people not

1239
01:31:11,720 --> 01:31:12,460
happy about it.

1240
01:31:12,560 --> 01:31:13,680
And it got pretty ugly.

1241
01:31:14,140 --> 01:31:17,720
So they backed off of that and kind of going back to write what next.

1242
01:31:18,280 --> 01:31:21,360
And at this point again, not quite sure what that's going to be.

1243
01:31:21,680 --> 01:31:26,580
I think the bus idea is still getting consideration, but till we have,

1244
01:31:26,720 --> 01:31:30,480
till the task force meets again, there's really not too much more to say.

1245
01:31:30,740 --> 01:31:33,880
You know, you develop a permanent solution and you have a permanent problem.

1246
01:31:41,300 --> 01:31:43,000
Any comments from the council?

1247
01:31:44,200 --> 01:31:45,080
All right, thanks, Jason.

1248
01:31:45,080 --> 01:31:46,540
and council member reports.

1249
01:31:46,940 --> 01:31:48,580
Any, Mike?

1250
01:31:48,820 --> 01:31:48,940
Nothing.

1251
01:31:50,160 --> 01:31:50,520
Abby?

1252
01:31:51,460 --> 01:31:53,880
Just that ULCT's been good this week.

1253
01:31:54,020 --> 01:31:57,020
We've gotten a lot of training on the legislative changes

1254
01:31:57,020 --> 01:31:59,140
and different kind of zoning tools.

1255
01:31:59,340 --> 01:32:00,520
Like, that would be very applicable

1256
01:32:00,520 --> 01:32:02,260
to the previous conversation we had.

1257
01:32:03,260 --> 01:32:04,940
You know, I probably would have wanted to say something,

1258
01:32:05,020 --> 01:32:06,020
but I know Mary-Tran had to leave,

1259
01:32:06,160 --> 01:32:07,720
so I kept my comments to myself,

1260
01:32:07,880 --> 01:32:09,220
but I think- We didn't have a quorum

1261
01:32:09,220 --> 01:32:10,400
as she left before. Exactly.

1262
01:32:10,580 --> 01:32:11,920
I wanted to vote before she left,

1263
01:32:13,020 --> 01:32:15,260
but just that there are tools out there,

1264
01:32:15,380 --> 01:32:18,060
there are ways to help with the affordability

1265
01:32:18,060 --> 01:32:21,400
and I think kind of we're all trying to help with that

1266
01:32:21,400 --> 01:32:23,220
and I think the state's finally giving us the tools

1267
01:32:23,220 --> 01:32:23,740
we need to.

1268
01:32:24,000 --> 01:32:25,400
But it was a very informative session,

1269
01:32:25,580 --> 01:32:28,260
very helpful, always good to hear what's going on

1270
01:32:28,260 --> 01:32:28,580
at the state.

1271
01:32:29,440 --> 01:32:30,420
All right, thanks Abby.

1272
01:32:31,160 --> 01:32:32,840
City Manager Report, Jason.

1273
01:32:33,900 --> 01:32:35,040
Just a couple of things.

1274
01:32:35,460 --> 01:32:37,620
First, just Kudos to Council Member Hunt.

1275
01:32:38,060 --> 01:32:39,640
She did a great job representing the city

1276
01:32:39,640 --> 01:32:42,000
on our Get Healthy Utah Award.

1277
01:32:42,660 --> 01:32:44,600
And I think a few of us were there.

1278
01:32:44,740 --> 01:32:46,000
They had a nice video presentation

1279
01:32:46,000 --> 01:32:48,280
at the Utah Legal Cities and Talents Conference

1280
01:32:48,280 --> 01:32:51,800
down in Salt Lake these last couple of days.

1281
01:32:52,060 --> 01:32:54,780
And we were among a handful of cities

1282
01:32:54,780 --> 01:32:56,360
that received that award this year.

1283
01:32:56,480 --> 01:32:58,960
So again, that's an organization that recognizes

1284
01:32:58,960 --> 01:33:01,040
and promotes health around the state,

1285
01:33:01,800 --> 01:33:04,020
both physical, good, healthy eating,

1286
01:33:04,220 --> 01:33:05,180
mental health, all those things.

1287
01:33:05,380 --> 01:33:06,760
So we've met the criteria,

1288
01:33:07,040 --> 01:33:08,040
and then three years from now

1289
01:33:08,040 --> 01:33:13,120
We'll have an opportunity to renew our designation as a healthy Utah community.

1290
01:33:13,440 --> 01:33:14,440
So great there.

1291
01:33:14,680 --> 01:33:17,760
We'll put that out in social media and things as well to promote that.

1292
01:33:17,940 --> 01:33:18,960
Some of the good work going on.

1293
01:33:20,240 --> 01:33:25,080
Also just as a heads up, looking forward to next month's council meetings,

1294
01:33:26,640 --> 01:33:31,640
the normal second meeting of October will fall on the 17th,

1295
01:33:31,640 --> 01:33:35,860
which is the Davis School District fall break.

1296
01:33:35,860 --> 01:33:42,340
And just wondering if anyone's going to be out of town or I know Councilmember Jackson's not here right now.

1297
01:33:42,380 --> 01:33:46,820
I know he's got young kids, but there's a couple things going on.

1298
01:33:47,000 --> 01:33:50,060
We are looking to have a special work session that month as well.

1299
01:33:50,400 --> 01:33:51,600
We're still trying to get a date.

1300
01:33:52,800 --> 01:33:59,340
That'll probably be either on a Friday morning like we've had in the past or on a weeknight if it works out.

1301
01:33:59,340 --> 01:34:04,580
So that might be another reason to maybe not have that second meeting if there's not a lot of business

1302
01:34:05,500 --> 01:34:07,620
Happening during the last half of October

1303
01:34:08,180 --> 01:34:11,160
that the purpose of the work session is to

1304
01:34:11,800 --> 01:34:14,200
Revisit kind of where we left off a few months ago

1305
01:34:14,700 --> 01:34:19,980
When we were talking about all the capital planning and the upcoming needs. We got a lot of great information

1306
01:34:19,980 --> 01:34:24,780
working with the council I know we're only two months into the new fiscal year, but

1307
01:34:24,780 --> 01:34:29,580
But we'd like to kind of pick up where we left off and start talking about some of those

1308
01:34:29,580 --> 01:34:29,780
things.

1309
01:34:29,900 --> 01:34:36,640
Specifically, we'd like to re-engage with the architecture firm CRSA that did the needs

1310
01:34:36,640 --> 01:34:40,200
analysis for our operation center.

1311
01:34:40,860 --> 01:34:49,160
That's the study that we did back in 2022 that projected about a $36 million cost for

1312
01:34:49,160 --> 01:34:50,040
the operation center.

1313
01:34:50,160 --> 01:34:52,740
And obviously, that's way too high, not what we're looking for.

1314
01:34:52,740 --> 01:34:57,200
So we'd like to revisit that to see if we can come up with a much lower number.

1315
01:34:58,540 --> 01:35:04,840
But that's part of this plan to kind of prioritize what our costs are and what the greatest needs

1316
01:35:04,840 --> 01:35:08,820
are along with all the other things that are kind of on the agenda.

1317
01:35:10,080 --> 01:35:15,460
Cole mentioned the partnership with Cable Junior High and the basket, the gymnasium.

1318
01:35:15,680 --> 01:35:19,900
That's kind of coming up in the next couple of years and what we're going to do with

1319
01:35:19,900 --> 01:35:22,520
the library building next door, some things like that.

1320
01:35:22,520 --> 01:35:30,700
So anyway, along with that, one other thing we've been talking with staff about is just

1321
01:35:30,700 --> 01:35:37,480
kind of our overall infrastructure, power, water lines, roads, and kind of trying to

1322
01:35:37,480 --> 01:35:43,800
understand are we projecting the future costs of replacing that infrastructure when it

1323
01:35:43,800 --> 01:35:45,000
needs to be replaced?

1324
01:35:45,140 --> 01:35:46,320
Are we setting aside enough money?

1325
01:35:47,180 --> 01:35:50,020
I think we're feeling pretty good about most things.

1326
01:35:50,020 --> 01:35:53,860
I think water is the one that concerns some of us.

1327
01:35:54,420 --> 01:35:57,400
Just we've got a lot of aging water lines in the city

1328
01:35:57,400 --> 01:36:00,040
and just an anecdote from today alone.

1329
01:36:00,840 --> 01:36:03,960
The crews repaired three major leaks around the city.

1330
01:36:04,580 --> 01:36:06,560
I think one out by you, Council Member Adams

1331
01:36:06,560 --> 01:36:08,980
and they did a fantastic job.

1332
01:36:09,560 --> 01:36:13,080
I think the cost on just the asphalt replacements

1333
01:36:13,080 --> 01:36:15,180
of those water leaks today is $30,000.

1334
01:36:15,600 --> 01:36:18,280
So these are just really expensive things

1335
01:36:18,280 --> 01:36:24,240
And, you know, a few months ago, you might recall, we had a few hundred feet of water

1336
01:36:24,240 --> 01:36:27,800
main on 200 North that we wanted to replace.

1337
01:36:28,000 --> 01:36:31,560
And we thought it was going to be 1.2 million, and the bits came in at 2.2 million.

1338
01:36:31,720 --> 01:36:36,460
So those are the kind of things that we're thinking, are we really doing a really good

1339
01:36:36,460 --> 01:36:40,780
job of planning for what those future costs are going to be when we get to the eventual

1340
01:36:40,780 --> 01:36:44,400
point of when we're going to need to replace some of these water lines and other

1341
01:36:44,400 --> 01:36:44,940
infrastructure.

1342
01:36:44,940 --> 01:36:48,600
So what I'm getting to is there's a great company that helps do this.

1343
01:36:48,880 --> 01:36:51,820
We've talked to a few cities along the Wasatch Front that have used them.

1344
01:36:52,400 --> 01:36:53,800
And they have a presentation.

1345
01:36:54,100 --> 01:36:56,500
We'd like to have them present to council and show their modeling.

1346
01:36:57,040 --> 01:37:02,500
It can be a really useful tool just to give you one little quick idea of what it does.

1347
01:37:03,680 --> 01:37:06,100
You know, when you're trying to set rates, for example, for water,

1348
01:37:06,980 --> 01:37:09,920
it allows you to plug in a variable on the rate

1349
01:37:09,920 --> 01:37:16,740
and show you if your rates are going to be enough to cover your future cost of replacing

1350
01:37:17,360 --> 01:37:22,000
your infrastructure. And, you know, you can kind of play with that variable and say, okay,

1351
01:37:22,060 --> 01:37:25,360
we're going to hold the rate this year, and that'll show you, well, if you do it, hold

1352
01:37:25,360 --> 01:37:28,060
it this year, then this is what happens next year. You're going to have to raise it

1353
01:37:28,060 --> 01:37:33,020
this much next year. And so it's just a really valuable tool, I think, for staff

1354
01:37:33,020 --> 01:37:37,420
and the council to use when we're having those discussions. And that was the biggest

1355
01:37:37,420 --> 01:37:42,120
feedback we got from all the cities we spoke with is it's just been a really appreciated

1356
01:37:42,120 --> 01:37:47,160
tool by the city councils that have seen it. And so, again, I think a really helpful tool

1357
01:37:47,160 --> 01:37:52,300
that we'd like to talk about in this work session. So long-winded, I apologize, but that's

1358
01:37:52,300 --> 01:37:56,920
kind of the subject of the October work session and we'll get a date out once we

1359
01:37:56,920 --> 01:38:03,300
kind of know when that's going to happen. Other than that, I

1360
01:38:07,140 --> 01:38:07,800
think that really sums

1361
01:38:07,800 --> 01:38:08,040
it up.

1362
01:38:09,180 --> 01:38:14,140
All right, thanks, Jason. Next thing I guess, adjournment. They have a motion to adjourn.

1363
01:38:16,090 --> 01:38:23,840
All in favor? All right. All right. You got 30 seconds.

1364
01:38:28,800 --> 01:38:29,900
I will wait for you.

1365
01:38:32,840 --> 01:38:33,280
I'm the old,

1366
01:38:33,520 --> 01:38:35,260
Mike and I are the old guys. We should be done.

1367
01:38:36,400 --> 01:38:36,800
Yes.

1368
01:38:55,280 --> 01:38:59,820
Yeah, that's not in the bylaws. So Perry can vote, the president can vote, or the acting president can vote.

1369
01:39:06,260 --> 01:39:08,300
We only need three for a quorum.

1370
01:39:09,240 --> 01:39:11,400
We only need three for a quorum, do we?

1371
01:39:11,600 --> 01:39:11,880
On this.

1372
01:39:12,320 --> 01:39:12,900
On anything.

1373
01:39:17,170 --> 01:39:17,450
Three.

1374
01:39:21,330 --> 01:39:24,510
But you only need...

1375
01:39:24,510 --> 01:39:25,670
Yeah, that's what I mean.

1376
01:39:25,770 --> 01:39:26,970
You only need three, right?

1377
01:39:28,570 --> 01:39:30,110
That's a long 30 seconds.

1378
01:39:30,570 --> 01:39:32,130
Could we have heard it after the mayor left?

1379
01:39:32,350 --> 01:39:32,850
Don't make it off.

1380
01:39:33,170 --> 01:39:33,830
Yeah, we could.

1381
01:39:34,250 --> 01:39:35,650
And what I was asking,

1382
01:39:36,010 --> 01:39:37,450
Hey, no, what I was asking,

1383
01:39:37,750 --> 01:39:40,290
Abby, I was asking if you had something to say.

1384
01:39:40,290 --> 01:39:45,350
well I know but I thought she had to be here no she did not we had a quorum

1385
01:39:45,350 --> 01:39:52,830
without no you don't no you don't you never do I wanted to say something I

1386
01:39:56,350 --> 01:39:57,990
was

1387
01:39:57,990 --> 01:40:04,010
seriously asking you to I was trying okay I was not trying to well

1388
01:40:06,730 --> 01:40:10,470
because

1389
01:40:10,470 --> 01:40:11,770
because we were coming up on 8.30

1390
01:40:11,770 --> 01:40:14,970
and nothing was going to change.

1391
01:40:16,250 --> 01:40:17,670
I like it was getting repaired.

1392
01:40:17,730 --> 01:40:19,270
Yeah, I don't know how to get it out again.

1393
01:40:20,110 --> 01:40:21,390
I feel like it was...

1394
01:40:24,110 --> 01:40:25,090
I'm just a patient.

1395
01:40:25,470 --> 01:40:27,490
I feel like I'm not sure if I'm just a patient.

1396
01:40:27,730 --> 01:40:28,250
It's on the books.

1397
01:40:29,950 --> 01:40:30,390
Hey,

1398
01:40:32,540 --> 01:40:32,940
where's Nate?

1399
01:40:35,940 --> 01:40:36,560
He's gone.

1400
01:40:37,820 --> 01:40:38,260
Really?

1401
01:40:38,880 --> 01:40:40,120
That was the original plan.

1402
01:40:41,420 --> 01:40:42,280
Eating haggis?

1403
01:40:43,720 --> 01:40:44,160
Yes.

1404
01:40:44,440 --> 01:40:45,380
These meetings are the best.

1405
01:41:01,640 --> 01:41:07,080
We're going to open the Kaysville Business Park Architectural Review Committee meeting.

1406
01:41:08,800 --> 01:41:11,980
And who's Melinda?

1407
01:41:12,320 --> 01:41:13,000
Okay, thank you.

1408
01:41:13,580 --> 01:41:14,660
Thank you Mayor Pro Tem.

1409
01:41:16,200 --> 01:41:22,340
I'm going to present the next two items together and I know I sent an email about

1410
01:41:22,340 --> 01:41:22,880
this earlier.

1411
01:41:22,880 --> 01:41:25,880
I'm not sure what happened with the three staff reports

1412
01:41:25,880 --> 01:41:28,580
that I wrote for the architectural committee meeting tonight,

1413
01:41:28,580 --> 01:41:32,420
but they didn't make it into the packet,

1414
01:41:32,700 --> 01:41:35,160
to the public packet, the attachments were there.

1415
01:41:35,940 --> 01:41:39,740
So that didn't make my day when I realized that.

1416
01:41:41,360 --> 01:41:44,580
And so we did, thanks to Mindy's help,

1417
01:41:44,660 --> 01:41:47,780
but we do have those printed out for you.

1418
01:41:48,360 --> 01:41:51,200
I know you really didn't allow for you to have any time

1419
01:41:51,200 --> 01:41:58,260
to read through those, but that said we do have a trim art team here tonight.

1420
01:41:58,600 --> 01:42:02,680
Thank you Mayor Petro from leaving one council meeting to come to another.

1421
01:42:03,320 --> 01:42:09,560
We're glad she was able to make it tonight. So the first item we chose to

1422
01:42:09,560 --> 01:42:16,980
separate these out on the agenda because we wanted to have the opportunity to

1423
01:42:16,980 --> 01:42:21,480
have the review committee vote on the variance first.

1424
01:42:21,900 --> 01:42:23,680
If you don't want to grant the variance,

1425
01:42:23,820 --> 01:42:27,280
you still could approve the building addition.

1426
01:42:28,200 --> 01:42:31,260
So, again, just orient ourselves,

1427
01:42:31,620 --> 01:42:34,000
this is the aerial view of where the property

1428
01:42:34,000 --> 01:42:35,680
is located on Flint Meadow Drive,

1429
01:42:36,560 --> 01:42:39,360
backs up to Camper World and

1430
01:42:41,940 --> 01:42:44,980
does not back up to any property

1431
01:42:44,980 --> 01:42:48,400
that is residential and oddly enough,

1432
01:42:48,780 --> 01:42:51,320
the residential property behind the business park

1433
01:42:51,320 --> 01:42:55,380
is actually in the Layton boundaries and not in Caseville.

1434
01:42:56,180 --> 01:42:59,640
So this is just a look of the front view

1435
01:42:59,640 --> 01:43:01,380
of the trim art building.

1436
01:43:03,840 --> 01:43:07,220
The variance request is for materials

1437
01:43:07,220 --> 01:43:11,100
and so I have a screenshot here of two things.

1438
01:43:11,800 --> 01:43:15,440
One, the section that details the walls with metal

1439
01:43:15,440 --> 01:43:20,100
or painted metal as the outer layer are not allowed

1440
01:43:20,700 --> 01:43:25,600
and the request for the variance is to use metal panels.

1441
01:43:27,340 --> 01:43:32,740
I will suggest this, but when these standards

1442
01:43:32,740 --> 01:43:35,600
were put in place 20 years ago,

1443
01:43:36,280 --> 01:43:37,700
products were a lot different

1444
01:43:38,400 --> 01:43:42,340
and aesthetics of those products were a lot different.

1445
01:43:42,640 --> 01:43:45,060
So that said, I think there has been

1446
01:43:45,060 --> 01:43:49,340
and a lot of progress in metal building materials

1447
01:43:49,340 --> 01:43:50,340
since that time.

1448
01:43:50,840 --> 01:43:54,320
Just something to consider as you determine

1449
01:43:54,320 --> 01:43:55,840
whether or not you wanna grant this request.

1450
01:43:56,340 --> 01:44:01,220
My guess is that at the time the city

1451
01:44:01,700 --> 01:44:02,980
who created the business park

1452
01:44:02,980 --> 01:44:06,200
didn't wanna see the corrugated metal buildings

1453
01:44:06,200 --> 01:44:08,620
that you see a lot of times in industrial areas

1454
01:44:08,620 --> 01:44:12,420
and to the credit of the council 20 years ago

1455
01:44:12,420 --> 01:44:17,320
So the Keysville Business Park is one of the nicest looking business parks, industrial

1456
01:44:17,320 --> 01:44:18,760
parks that I've seen.

1457
01:44:19,040 --> 01:44:20,880
So I think that mission was accomplished.

1458
01:44:21,820 --> 01:44:29,080
The lower portion of the slide there just shows the variance that the committee can

1459
01:44:29,080 --> 01:44:29,960
grant a variance.

1460
01:44:31,500 --> 01:44:35,660
One of the things, so this is not a variance to the zoning code.

1461
01:44:35,660 --> 01:44:41,680
Zoning code variances have a requirement in state law

1462
01:44:41,680 --> 01:44:43,660
that you have to meet five different criteria.

1463
01:44:44,140 --> 01:44:45,100
So I do wanna differentiate

1464
01:44:45,100 --> 01:44:47,680
that this is not a variance to the zoning code.

1465
01:44:48,360 --> 01:44:52,620
That said, I do think that the review committee

1466
01:44:52,620 --> 01:44:55,620
has a lot of discretion

1467
01:44:55,620 --> 01:44:57,180
with whether or not you ground to variance.

1468
01:44:57,700 --> 01:44:59,860
There's no criteria set forth.

1469
01:45:00,340 --> 01:45:09,360
As to when you do or when you don't. Grant a variance. So that will be, you know, just something

1470
01:45:09,360 --> 01:45:17,380
that you'll have to feel through as a board. The materials that the Tremart team is proposing

1471
01:45:17,380 --> 01:45:24,100
to use, they are used on a building that is in center rail just recently constructed.

1472
01:45:29,560 --> 01:45:30,260
It's

1473
01:45:30,260 --> 01:45:41,980
a couple photos from that location and a different type of a smooth texture but

1474
01:45:41,980 --> 01:45:47,740
the same types of materials were used this is fire station 81 in Murray and

1475
01:45:47,740 --> 01:45:53,180
that was constructed it was completed when I was there so in late 21 is when

1476
01:45:53,860 --> 01:45:58,600
this building was constructed so there's another example for you to look

1477
01:45:58,600 --> 01:46:05,700
at the, you know, just the aesthetics of that metal panel.

1478
01:46:07,920 --> 01:46:12,700
Based on conversations we had with the review committee last year when we had a variance

1479
01:46:12,700 --> 01:46:21,380
request, you continued the item and asked staff to send out a notice to the property

1480
01:46:21,380 --> 01:46:24,440
owners to see if they were in favor of the variance request.

1481
01:46:24,440 --> 01:46:26,720
So we proactively did that this time.

1482
01:46:27,160 --> 01:46:32,560
We received two comments and one was for,

1483
01:46:32,840 --> 01:46:34,080
I did forward those to you,

1484
01:46:34,140 --> 01:46:35,880
so one was for as long as it matched

1485
01:46:36,370 --> 01:46:38,780
the color scheme of the existing building

1486
01:46:38,780 --> 01:46:40,160
and the other one was against.

1487
01:46:41,860 --> 01:46:45,420
And he mentioned that he had previously

1488
01:46:45,420 --> 01:46:48,600
owned a metal building and after a number of years

1489
01:46:48,600 --> 01:46:49,620
it started to rest out.

1490
01:46:49,620 --> 01:46:59,080
So again, I think that is a differentiation in those materials and how they've progressed

1491
01:46:59,080 --> 01:47:00,460
through the last 20 years.

1492
01:47:01,940 --> 01:47:07,620
So that said, the agenda items are listed separately, but I'll continue and just kind

1493
01:47:07,620 --> 01:47:17,720
of go over the request for the building edition, which you always love to see this when you

1494
01:47:17,720 --> 01:47:22,400
to have a business that is local and successful

1495
01:47:23,180 --> 01:47:27,880
and in demand to, you know, so much that they need to expand.

1496
01:47:28,440 --> 01:47:31,920
So that's the case with this request.

1497
01:47:33,300 --> 01:47:39,340
And they want to put in, it's about 14,000 square feet,

1498
01:47:39,400 --> 01:47:39,960
is that what it was?

1499
01:47:49,240 --> 01:47:50,760
14,000, or was it?

1500
01:47:51,100 --> 01:47:52,180
Yeah, okay, yeah.

1501
01:47:52,180 --> 01:47:59,900
So just under 14,000 square feet, in order to do that they'll need to reconfigure some

1502
01:47:59,900 --> 01:48:00,460
of their parking.

1503
01:48:01,040 --> 01:48:05,340
We've looked at the parking ordinance, even with the addition they still would have adequate

1504
01:48:05,340 --> 01:48:08,880
parking per our zoning code for parking.

1505
01:48:09,480 --> 01:48:15,220
They would also need to remove some trees that are existing there, and they have committed

1506
01:48:15,220 --> 01:48:19,780
to relocating the trees that they would remove or replacing those trees in the same

1507
01:48:19,780 --> 01:48:27,040
number of what is removed and I think that's essentially the gist of that

1508
01:48:27,040 --> 01:48:32,000
request as I said we do have the applicant and their team here tonight if

1509
01:48:32,000 --> 01:48:36,560
you have questions so I'll just at this point turn it over to the committee to

1510
01:48:36,560 --> 01:48:39,220
see what questions you may have for me or the applicant.

1511
01:48:41,540 --> 01:48:43,060
If you

1512
01:48:45,110 --> 01:48:45,510
wouldn't

1513
01:48:45,510 --> 01:48:49,830
mind just coming up and explaining the rationale for the material and the

1514
01:48:49,830 --> 01:48:50,630
So

1515
01:48:54,220 --> 01:48:58,600
there's a couple of reasons we wanted to use the middle panel.

1516
01:48:59,400 --> 01:49:01,360
One for it has an insulated factor.

1517
01:49:01,800 --> 01:49:04,620
So these are insulated metal panels which give us a better R-value

1518
01:49:04,620 --> 01:49:08,420
and helps with the energy efficiency of the building.

1519
01:49:09,140 --> 01:49:11,920
Also where the buildings join together,

1520
01:49:13,020 --> 01:49:16,180
if we were to do a CMU type of construction building,

1521
01:49:16,580 --> 01:49:21,380
it would require some pretty massive CMU lentils to span the distances

1522
01:49:21,380 --> 01:49:23,840
so we can keep that area as open as possible

1523
01:49:23,840 --> 01:49:24,640
for the shop flow.

1524
01:49:25,180 --> 01:49:28,400
So those are a couple of things.

1525
01:49:28,860 --> 01:49:31,700
Also, to try to match the existing block

1526
01:49:31,700 --> 01:49:33,520
is gonna be fairly difficult.

1527
01:49:33,760 --> 01:49:35,340
We could potentially paint the entire building

1528
01:49:35,340 --> 01:49:38,980
and the new addition to have them match and be similar,

1529
01:49:39,620 --> 01:49:40,900
but we wanted to give a similar,

1530
01:49:41,980 --> 01:49:46,020
or a aesthetically color scheme similar look,

1531
01:49:46,140 --> 01:49:48,440
but give a different feel so it didn't,

1532
01:49:48,440 --> 01:49:49,860
so it looked like a different feature.

1533
01:49:49,860 --> 01:49:50,780
So.

1534
01:49:51,540 --> 01:49:52,020
Okay.

1535
01:49:54,780 --> 01:49:55,740
Any questions?

1536
01:49:56,840 --> 01:49:58,720
You know, I agree with Melinda.

1537
01:49:58,960 --> 01:50:03,180
I think that the, when the business part put those requirements in,

1538
01:50:03,340 --> 01:50:06,500
there was a lot of steel buildings being built in industrial parks,

1539
01:50:06,560 --> 01:50:10,760
which were just the Butler buildings with the, you know, the old metal,

1540
01:50:11,020 --> 01:50:12,620
ribbed metal panels on it.

1541
01:50:12,800 --> 01:50:15,660
And since then, you've seen a lot of changes in construction.

1542
01:50:15,660 --> 01:50:16,840
Like in the old days,

1543
01:50:16,880 --> 01:50:19,520
they really didn't have any flashings on the bottoms of them.

1544
01:50:19,520 --> 01:50:21,320
when they touch the ground, they would get rotten.

1545
01:50:21,940 --> 01:50:24,080
You look at this in the pictures that they provided

1546
01:50:24,920 --> 01:50:26,880
and the applicant told me a building

1547
01:50:26,880 --> 01:50:29,260
and I didn't realize but I stopped on my way home

1548
01:50:29,260 --> 01:50:31,020
and I went and I drove all the way around it

1549
01:50:31,020 --> 01:50:32,520
and took pictures of it and everything

1550
01:50:32,520 --> 01:50:37,320
but these are finished panels.

1551
01:50:37,500 --> 01:50:40,740
They're finished, corrugated, beautiful panels.

1552
01:50:40,900 --> 01:50:43,440
They put flashings on the bottoms of them.

1553
01:50:43,540 --> 01:50:44,760
They do all kinds of things

1554
01:50:44,760 --> 01:50:46,620
to make sure you don't have those issues

1555
01:50:46,620 --> 01:50:48,940
that was the concern of the older buildings

1556
01:50:48,940 --> 01:50:54,720
buildings and things like that and building materials have come a long way in the last

1557
01:50:54,720 --> 01:50:59,420
few years and you're right it is an outdated requirement but back in the day when they

1558
01:50:59,420 --> 01:51:02,520
did it they were so afraid people would go down there and frame a wall and put up a

1559
01:51:02,520 --> 01:51:05,960
luminous idling that's what they didn't want in the business park and that's probably

1560
01:51:05,960 --> 01:51:10,980
what would have happened or the Butler buildings and we've been really diligent

1561
01:51:10,980 --> 01:51:16,000
in making sure that hasn't happened but even a concrete tilt up building is not

1562
01:51:16,000 --> 01:51:21,040
a pretty building unless you do a whole bunch of accents to it paint it do all

1563
01:51:21,040 --> 01:51:24,500
kinds of things and as you look at these panels you'll see they're all

1564
01:51:24,500 --> 01:51:28,860
corrugated there's definitely designed to them and they're not just they're

1565
01:51:28,860 --> 01:51:32,520
pretty good sized panels if you're doing the same they're about three foot

1566
01:51:32,520 --> 01:51:38,380
by 20 foot or three by whatever your sections are between your steel but it's

1567
01:51:38,380 --> 01:51:43,740
just modern it's more modern it's a better system it insulates the

1568
01:51:43,740 --> 01:51:47,980
building, I don't know why we wouldn't want something like this to go in the

1569
01:51:47,980 --> 01:51:48,700
business park.

1570
01:51:49,100 --> 01:51:49,500
Uh,

1571
01:51:53,700 --> 01:51:58,620
I just have one question. Um, I agree with what, um, has been said already. Um,

1572
01:51:58,800 --> 01:52:02,540
but if for whatever reason, I mean, I don't think it's going to happen,

1573
01:52:02,580 --> 01:52:08,240
but if what, if this metal sighting became derelict, I don't know if it ended

1574
01:52:08,240 --> 01:52:10,460
up not looking as good, you know, years down the line,

1575
01:52:10,460 --> 01:52:14,880
And is there a mechanism in that business park ordinance,

1576
01:52:15,400 --> 01:52:17,040
like a code enforcement type thing?

1577
01:52:20,440 --> 01:52:22,360
No, I don't believe there is.

1578
01:52:22,480 --> 01:52:25,320
We just rely on our typical code enforcement

1579
01:52:25,320 --> 01:52:26,320
through our zoning code.

1580
01:52:26,480 --> 01:52:27,980
I think I have looked at that before

1581
01:52:27,980 --> 01:52:33,800
and I'm certain enough that we just would rely

1582
01:52:33,800 --> 01:52:34,700
on our zoning code.

1583
01:52:37,130 --> 01:52:39,330
I can check though while you discuss.

1584
01:52:41,290 --> 01:52:42,170
Do you want any comments?

1585
01:52:43,390 --> 01:52:53,130
No, I think to Mike's point, I still wouldn't think that we would want to change the writing

1586
01:52:53,130 --> 01:52:59,410
on it, because I think that if we did say now we allow metal that we would run the risk

1587
01:52:59,410 --> 01:53:05,310
of what he just mentioned, but I feel like the variance gives us a chance to be able

1588
01:53:05,310 --> 01:53:09,930
to say as long as you're going to do what you're saying you're going to do, then

1589
01:53:09,930 --> 01:53:11,910
and that's when we would approve the variance.

1590
01:53:12,370 --> 01:53:13,950
So I think that it's still,

1591
01:53:14,130 --> 01:53:14,550
I agree with that.

1592
01:53:14,650 --> 01:53:15,590
Even though it's old,

1593
01:53:15,730 --> 01:53:18,550
I still think it's a good thing to have in there

1594
01:53:18,550 --> 01:53:20,270
because I think like people could do

1595
01:53:20,270 --> 01:53:21,970
what you're talking about and just throw

1596
01:53:23,030 --> 01:53:24,830
crappy sheet metal or whatnot.

1597
01:53:25,110 --> 01:53:27,230
So I think it looks great.

1598
01:53:27,750 --> 01:53:29,290
I feel good about it.

1599
01:53:30,150 --> 01:53:33,090
Okay, no, and I appreciate, I stopped by there today

1600
01:53:33,090 --> 01:53:34,890
and really do appreciate the time.

1601
01:53:34,930 --> 01:53:37,910
And just the fact that this allows you to easier

1602
01:53:37,910 --> 01:53:42,330
to be able to tear down that wall that'll be adjacent, you know, and help with the

1603
01:53:42,330 --> 01:53:48,850
flow of what you're going to do makes a lot of sense. We appreciate having you

1604
01:53:48,850 --> 01:53:56,670
here in Caseville and what you're doing. And I go back to Melinda's comment

1605
01:53:56,670 --> 01:54:01,750
earlier, you drive through the business park we have over there and because of

1606
01:54:01,750 --> 01:54:06,770
the ordinance that we have are the, I guess the ordinance, you know, it looks good.

1607
01:54:07,650 --> 01:54:11,790
You know, it's not a typical industrial park like if you're going through, well,

1608
01:54:11,870 --> 01:54:16,250
let's see, getting off on 89, going up towards the capital.

1609
01:54:16,710 --> 01:54:18,570
That's pretty crappy looking area there.

1610
01:54:19,190 --> 01:54:19,670
Sorry.

1611
01:54:20,950 --> 01:54:25,150
And I do really appreciate Council Member Adam's comments of saying, you know,

1612
01:54:25,190 --> 01:54:26,190
this is a one time deal.

1613
01:54:26,230 --> 01:54:30,750
This isn't just a blanket okay for everything because you could get the

1614
01:54:30,750 --> 01:54:36,370
next guy to say well you did that why can't you do this you know I think that's

1615
01:54:36,370 --> 01:54:44,090
a good point you made so is this can we approve one and two or do we have to do

1616
01:54:44,090 --> 01:54:48,250
them separately I think it's fine if you're gonna prove them you can improve

1617
01:54:48,250 --> 01:54:54,090
them in one motion okay I'll make a motion that we approve item do we call

1618
01:54:54,090 --> 01:54:57,250
item or agenda? Whatever on here.

1619
01:55:01,050 --> 01:55:04,890
Item number, item number two and item number

1620
01:55:04,890 --> 01:55:05,190
three.

1621
01:55:08,800 --> 01:55:15,320
Do we have a second? I'll second. Okay, let's see I can vote on this one so

1622
01:55:15,320 --> 01:55:22,640
I'm first. Perry, aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Appreciate it. Hey wait while we have you

1623
01:55:22,640 --> 01:55:27,040
here though this fourth one I don't want you guys to leave what we're gonna

1624
01:55:27,040 --> 01:55:29,000
We figured we'd be wrapped into that one.

1625
01:55:29,300 --> 01:55:29,480
Yeah.

1626
01:55:30,260 --> 01:55:31,080
No, you're in here.

1627
01:55:31,300 --> 01:55:31,840
Why are you in here?

1628
01:55:31,860 --> 01:55:33,740
Okay, I just didn't want you to skedaddle.

1629
01:55:34,680 --> 01:55:36,240
Did you care if I asked them?

1630
01:55:36,480 --> 01:55:37,360
No, I didn't go for it.

1631
01:55:37,680 --> 01:55:41,600
Mayor Pro-Ted, what are your thoughts on this?

1632
01:55:41,740 --> 01:55:43,040
Did you guys respond to the survey?

1633
01:55:44,500 --> 01:55:45,160
Yeah, we did.

1634
01:55:45,340 --> 01:55:48,300
I think we're one of the only ones that actually responded to it.

1635
01:55:50,860 --> 01:55:53,260
And your response was what, if you don't mind?

1636
01:55:53,560 --> 01:55:54,340
We'd be happy to.

1637
01:55:54,340 --> 01:56:00,340
You would prefer this body to go to the owners versus being left here?

1638
01:56:08,760 --> 01:56:13,820
I think the general consensus over there is people are knowledgeable enough and

1639
01:56:14,460 --> 01:56:17,740
willing to work with each other enough that we can manage it ourselves.

1640
01:56:18,860 --> 01:56:19,000
Okay.

1641
01:56:19,820 --> 01:56:20,300
Cool.

1642
01:56:20,480 --> 01:56:20,760
Thank you.

1643
01:56:21,320 --> 01:56:21,500
Thanks.

1644
01:56:22,880 --> 01:56:24,100
All right, Melinda, next one.

1645
01:56:27,270 --> 01:56:33,510
Yes, so a year ago, last month, and my apologies this took so long to get back in front of you,

1646
01:56:33,510 --> 01:56:40,510
So, we held a discussion about the option of transferring the architectural review committee

1647
01:56:40,510 --> 01:56:43,570
responsibility over from the city council to the property owners.

1648
01:56:44,570 --> 01:56:51,950
And the council, you directed staff at that time to survey the property owners to see

1649
01:56:51,950 --> 01:56:53,990
what it was that they would prefer.

1650
01:56:54,750 --> 01:56:58,730
So we finally were able to put a survey together earlier this spring.

1651
01:56:58,730 --> 01:57:06,870
and then we initially I think only had four responses of the 41 or 42 property

1652
01:57:06,870 --> 01:57:11,850
owners that we have over there did a second push and ended up with 14

1653
01:57:11,850 --> 01:57:19,610
responses and and I as you often do surveys I kind of asked the same

1654
01:57:19,610 --> 01:57:24,470
question twice but in a different way so there was a slight variation between

1655
01:57:24,470 --> 01:57:27,750
the two questions and the responses.

1656
01:57:28,350 --> 01:57:29,810
But the first question was,

1657
01:57:29,870 --> 01:57:32,190
did you prefer the city council continuing to serve?

1658
01:57:32,770 --> 01:57:34,930
And 57% said no.

1659
01:57:35,910 --> 01:57:37,910
The next question was, would you prefer

1660
01:57:37,910 --> 01:57:44,150
the property owners service that ARC and 64% said yes?

1661
01:57:44,750 --> 01:57:47,610
So I think really the takeaway here

1662
01:57:47,610 --> 01:57:51,510
is that between 56 and 64% would prefer

1663
01:57:51,510 --> 01:57:53,670
that they do this instead of the council.

1664
01:57:53,670 --> 01:57:55,510
I think that makes a lot of sense.

1665
01:57:56,270 --> 01:57:59,270
From a practical standpoint, right,

1666
01:57:59,370 --> 01:58:01,690
we require people to come here on an evening

1667
01:58:02,290 --> 01:58:03,350
that can be hard.

1668
01:58:04,370 --> 01:58:09,150
I, myself left here, went over to my niece's soccer game

1669
01:58:09,150 --> 01:58:11,270
in Farmington for 10 minutes and rushed back

1670
01:58:11,730 --> 01:58:14,390
so I could be here on time, but people have commitments.

1671
01:58:14,770 --> 01:58:17,270
You know, it's a lot of times hard

1672
01:58:17,270 --> 01:58:18,670
to get here in the evening.

1673
01:58:19,090 --> 01:58:21,530
It does delay the development process.

1674
01:58:23,770 --> 01:58:27,530
for sometimes a few weeks depending on when those applications come in.

1675
01:58:28,430 --> 01:58:33,770
And I think most property owners over there understand that there is this process in place.

1676
01:58:34,070 --> 01:58:38,510
But there's been a few times that we've caught this through the building permit system.

1677
01:58:38,770 --> 01:58:42,590
And so they're ready to go. They want their building permit as quickly as possible.

1678
01:58:42,590 --> 01:58:46,770
And we have to turn around and say, well, we got to take this city council the next meeting as three weeks.

1679
01:58:46,770 --> 01:58:54,010
So, there's a great benefit, I think, from the standpoint of timing to be able to have

1680
01:58:54,010 --> 01:59:02,390
the property owners who may have a schedule that's more amenable.

1681
01:59:02,830 --> 01:59:06,870
They could do this during the middle of the business day, which then you could just run

1682
01:59:06,870 --> 01:59:12,490
over, have the property owners have a meeting, and may be able to just assemble a meeting

1683
01:59:12,490 --> 01:59:15,630
in a quicker fashion than we do as we already have our schedule.

1684
01:59:15,630 --> 01:59:21,510
So, I think there's a lot of benefits, but in the end this is something that is up to

1685
01:59:21,510 --> 01:59:29,890
the committee to determine and just a couple things, but if you do ask us to go forward

1686
01:59:29,890 --> 01:59:37,990
and make this change, and I should have spoken with Mr. Mills about this, but I think there

1687
01:59:37,990 --> 01:59:42,850
would be some legal documents that would need to get put together and make sure we

1688
01:59:42,850 --> 01:59:46,910
all the process. We may want to engage outside legal counsel to help with that

1689
01:59:46,910 --> 01:59:52,710
just because of the prosecutorial workload that Mr. Mills has. I can let

1690
01:59:52,710 --> 01:59:57,590
him weigh in on that, but I think there would be some expenses. Again, we want

1691
01:59:57,590 --> 01:59:59,370
to make sure we would do this the right way.

1692
02:00:00,000 --> 02:00:07,560
And there would be documents that we need to record against the, all the properties within

1693
02:00:07,560 --> 02:00:12,320
the business park. And I would anticipate that this would be, you know, this isn't going to

1694
02:00:12,320 --> 02:00:16,580
be something that we would accomplish within the next two months, but we would work towards

1695
02:00:16,580 --> 02:00:24,080
that. And I would think as well before we turn that over that we would want the existing

1696
02:00:24,080 --> 02:00:30,780
committee you the council to be involved in having that new board created and

1697
02:00:30,780 --> 02:00:35,040
established before we transition that responsibility. So those were just some

1698
02:00:35,040 --> 02:00:39,880
my my thoughts additional to that weren't in the staff report if this is

1699
02:00:39,880 --> 02:00:45,320
something the council wants us to move forward with. I just have a question I

1700
02:00:46,000 --> 02:00:51,120
mean I'm all for turning this over as you know but I do have one question

1701
02:00:51,120 --> 02:00:54,940
and I don't know if this is a Nick question or a Melinda question.

1702
02:00:55,920 --> 02:00:59,020
It's if, because everybody's a rule follower.

1703
02:00:59,320 --> 02:01:01,260
We know that. Everybody follows rules, right?

1704
02:01:02,320 --> 02:01:05,660
So somebody applies for a building permit down there for an addition,

1705
02:01:06,140 --> 02:01:11,640
and we give them a building permit because we don't do anything with covenants.

1706
02:01:11,860 --> 02:01:15,800
We don't look in a subdivision. We don't make sure houses meet all the covenants.

1707
02:01:15,840 --> 02:01:19,800
We don't look at all that. But the business park is a little different where we've done it,

1708
02:01:19,800 --> 02:01:22,200
and then all of a sudden somebody gets a building permit,

1709
02:01:22,800 --> 02:01:25,020
they're cut the footings, foundations in,

1710
02:01:25,140 --> 02:01:27,100
and then all of a sudden somebody gets upset

1711
02:01:27,100 --> 02:01:28,720
and says, what are you doing over there?

1712
02:01:29,820 --> 02:01:33,020
I just wanna make sure that we're not going to be

1713
02:01:33,020 --> 02:01:34,460
in the middle of the lawsuit.

1714
02:01:36,600 --> 02:01:38,680
Yeah, I can weigh in on that.

1715
02:01:39,160 --> 02:01:41,800
We wouldn't be, there's processes we could put in place

1716
02:01:41,800 --> 02:01:43,180
if we were concerned about that,

1717
02:01:43,240 --> 02:01:45,100
to make sure that in that area,

1718
02:01:45,260 --> 02:01:47,780
the business park maybe had a sign off on that

1719
02:01:47,780 --> 02:01:50,780
before it came to us, but if we didn't wanna do that

1720
02:01:50,780 --> 02:01:56,200
if you I should say didn't want to as a counsel didn't want to do that no we

1721
02:01:56,200 --> 02:02:01,320
would not be involved in that that would be private lawsuit you can see what I

1722
02:02:01,320 --> 02:02:08,360
mean it can turn into a ugly finger-pointing thing and where we

1723
02:02:08,360 --> 02:02:13,740
have had full control of the business park and believe me I want you owners

1724
02:02:13,740 --> 02:02:17,640
to have full control I think that's been my biggest concern about this is

1725
02:02:17,640 --> 02:02:27,560
that possibly our body being in charge of this has helped, you know, keep conflict, you know,

1726
02:02:27,620 --> 02:02:32,860
keep there from being conflict down there. And that's the only, well, that, I have two reservations

1727
02:02:32,860 --> 02:02:40,140
about this, giving it up, is one that something like that occurs where the people who happen

1728
02:02:40,140 --> 02:02:47,220
to volunteer to be on the board or whatever end up having such different ideas than those that

1729
02:02:47,220 --> 02:02:51,180
have written on this no and then they're they don't have you know what with us

1730
02:02:51,180 --> 02:02:56,220
right now they have us to blame like all the bad City Council but but when it's

1731
02:02:56,220 --> 02:03:01,600
my bad neighbor is the one that did this then you know that's sometimes we're

1732
02:03:01,600 --> 02:03:06,440
we're providing them an out I guess and then no I agreed and then my second

1733
02:03:06,440 --> 02:03:13,160
concern is just like anything I mean like you know that isn't elected and

1734
02:03:13,160 --> 02:03:16,520
maybe this maybe these people would be elected but a lot of the times the

1735
02:03:16,520 --> 02:03:20,580
people who volunteer to do things. I mean you look at like our planning commission

1736
02:03:20,580 --> 02:03:23,720
is so much the people that are volunteered to be on the planning

1737
02:03:23,720 --> 02:03:30,820
commission have a lot different views than some of us that have been elected,

1738
02:03:31,100 --> 02:03:35,900
right? And so in some ways you may end up, I don't know if you guys have thought

1739
02:03:35,900 --> 02:03:40,120
about this, but you may end up with the people who volunteer to do it, may

1740
02:03:40,120 --> 02:03:44,040
all have the same same type of mindset, and you may be discouraged with

1741
02:03:44,040 --> 02:03:48,140
what they end up approving and disapproving.

1742
02:03:49,420 --> 02:03:52,160
Those are my two biggest concerns with it.

1743
02:03:52,440 --> 02:03:54,860
And I guess now you're saying that it would cost us money.

1744
02:03:55,440 --> 02:03:56,460
That's the third concern.

1745
02:03:57,940 --> 02:03:58,840
Yeah, I don't anticipate.

1746
02:03:58,940 --> 02:03:59,600
Well, sorry.

1747
02:03:59,800 --> 02:04:00,180
Sorry, Nick.

1748
02:04:00,700 --> 02:04:03,200
Sorry, I don't anticipate.

1749
02:04:04,360 --> 02:04:06,700
I would have to look at exactly what needs to be done,

1750
02:04:06,740 --> 02:04:08,360
but I wouldn't imagine it to be very costly.

1751
02:04:08,480 --> 02:04:11,840
I would imagine it to be less than $20,000 total.

1752
02:04:12,760 --> 02:04:18,720
If anything, I think that if it's something that we could pace,

1753
02:04:18,920 --> 02:04:20,620
it's something we could do in-house.

1754
02:04:21,420 --> 02:04:25,320
I don't want to commit to that, but I think it's something that we could do in-house.

1755
02:04:26,300 --> 02:04:31,820
And we could always draft this or design this in such a way that we still had staff input.

1756
02:04:32,440 --> 02:04:36,240
I may not want to volunteer with Greenwood, although she's volunteering me for work tonight.

1757
02:04:36,340 --> 02:04:38,240
I didn't volunteer you. I did the opposite.

1758
02:04:38,240 --> 02:04:42,180
you could you could still keep some level of city involvement down there it

1759
02:04:42,180 --> 02:04:46,480
just wouldn't have to come to you as a council as a body but city staff could

1760
02:04:46,480 --> 02:04:53,700
still be involved and part of that rewriting those I mean I just just that

1761
02:04:53,700 --> 02:04:58,360
to throw I know Center Cal in Farmington which is station park I

1762
02:05:00,500 --> 02:05:03,860
don't know what agreements Farmington has with them I don't get involved in

1763
02:05:03,860 --> 02:05:07,700
that but I do know that they will not issue a permit in station park

1764
02:05:07,700 --> 02:05:14,460
until they get a letter from CenterCal, but that just goes to staff.

1765
02:05:16,100 --> 02:05:19,160
And it keeps the council from making decisions.

1766
02:05:19,400 --> 02:05:24,900
So CenterCal makes all those decisions on what their the architecture would be.

1767
02:05:25,380 --> 02:05:26,560
And they're very restrictive.

1768
02:05:26,840 --> 02:05:32,460
So I don't know, that might be one way to do it, but I hate to put onus on staff.

1769
02:05:32,720 --> 02:05:34,020
But you already are.

1770
02:05:34,340 --> 02:05:37,140
I mean, we already have the onus on you right now by doing this.

1771
02:05:37,140 --> 02:05:43,400
but it might be simpler if it was a process like CenterCal does that says, you know, we

1772
02:05:43,400 --> 02:05:48,020
won't issue a building permit in Station Park unless we have this architectural review

1773
02:05:48,020 --> 02:05:53,720
letter from CenterCal. And they also won't issue a certificate of occupancy until they

1774
02:05:53,720 --> 02:05:58,080
get a letter from CenterCal. But that's just a different way to do it.

1775
02:05:58,220 --> 02:06:05,680
If I could add some additional thoughts. So I think we could definitely build in

1776
02:06:05,680 --> 02:06:07,640
to a transition, some protections,

1777
02:06:09,820 --> 02:06:13,580
yes, we could have staff involvement, we could also

1778
02:06:14,280 --> 02:06:18,500
make it so that they couldn't change any of the development standards without approval

1779
02:06:18,500 --> 02:06:19,480
from the city council.

1780
02:06:21,860 --> 02:06:30,220
I think one of the things I would recommend, and this increases my workload, but I think

1781
02:06:30,220 --> 02:06:36,680
that prior to transitioning over the responsibilities, there's probably some sections of the

1782
02:06:36,680 --> 02:06:38,940
the development guide that we want to update.

1783
02:06:39,780 --> 02:06:42,640
Specifically the landscaping, just I think

1784
02:06:42,640 --> 02:06:47,620
the water-wise landscaping really is not built into that.

1785
02:06:48,280 --> 02:06:52,480
I think there's a great benefit that could come

1786
02:06:52,480 --> 02:06:57,020
from updating some of the portions of that guide

1787
02:06:57,020 --> 02:07:00,300
and we could even spell out perhaps reasons

1788
02:07:00,300 --> 02:07:02,560
or justifications for approving of variance or not.

1789
02:07:03,780 --> 02:07:09,780
We could amend those development guides before transitioning them over, and then I believe,

1790
02:07:10,380 --> 02:07:17,220
and I think part of my hesitancy with any of this is just that we'd need to pour through

1791
02:07:17,220 --> 02:07:21,740
state code, read state code, get up to speed on everything that would need to happen

1792
02:07:21,740 --> 02:07:27,300
to transition this, but I think that we could do that in such a way that if there

1793
02:07:27,300 --> 02:07:33,940
were to be any, and maybe the council serves as an appeal authority if there's something

1794
02:07:33,940 --> 02:07:41,920
that gets appealed or that again, any changes to those development guides would have to be

1795
02:07:41,920 --> 02:07:47,380
approved by the city council so that we maintain the integrity of the development that's been

1796
02:07:47,380 --> 02:07:54,200
established over there. Now as well, I think most of the properties over there are developed

1797
02:07:54,200 --> 02:07:58,620
and so what we're going to continue to get and what we've seen in the time that

1798
02:07:58,620 --> 02:08:02,940
I've been here is these building additions and they want to match what's

1799
02:08:02,940 --> 02:08:08,140
existing I mean we require that as well but you know there there is a little

1800
02:08:08,140 --> 02:08:14,200
bit of acreage left over there to develop but I think by and large you

1801
02:08:14,200 --> 02:08:22,550
know the the risk to having some really unwelcomed developments is fairly

1802
02:08:22,550 --> 02:08:29,250
low. We could also build into, to go back to some of your current concerns and the question.

1803
02:08:29,850 --> 02:08:35,830
I did a quick check. I don't, I wasn't able to really easily see if there's a code enforcement

1804
02:08:35,830 --> 02:08:39,730
process, but again I'm like 99% sure that it's not in there and we just go through

1805
02:08:39,730 --> 02:08:47,150
a city code. But we could also establish and put into the development standards and

1806
02:08:47,150 --> 02:08:53,870
the business part guide, some type of a code enforcement process, if the council wanted

1807
02:08:53,870 --> 02:08:56,110
to do that in addition.

1808
02:08:56,390 --> 02:09:00,930
So I think there's probably a lot of ways that we could address some of these concerns

1809
02:09:00,930 --> 02:09:06,050
if it's the desire of the committee to transition that over.

1810
02:09:07,050 --> 02:09:12,550
And again, I don't think this is something that we could do quickly, especially because

1811
02:09:12,550 --> 02:09:13,870
we want to make sure that we do it right.

1812
02:09:13,870 --> 02:09:18,610
but I think we would have check-ins with the committee

1813
02:09:18,610 --> 02:09:21,910
as we progress with this and make sure

1814
02:09:21,910 --> 02:09:27,350
that before we do that final baton pass

1815
02:09:27,350 --> 02:09:29,990
that we ensure everything's in place

1816
02:09:29,990 --> 02:09:33,530
to continue the great product that we have over there.

1817
02:09:34,910 --> 02:09:36,690
Abby, do you have any comments or thoughts?

1818
02:09:38,950 --> 02:09:41,690
Mostly just that, yeah, I agree with what Melinda's saying

1819
02:09:41,690 --> 02:09:43,450
that we would wanna take a good look at it

1820
02:09:43,450 --> 02:09:44,530
before we handed it over.

1821
02:09:44,530 --> 02:09:46,010
I don't necessarily think we need

1822
02:09:46,010 --> 02:09:47,510
to give code enforcement to them.

1823
02:09:47,630 --> 02:09:49,630
I mean, if it's in city code, I think that's sufficient.

1824
02:09:49,850 --> 02:09:51,910
We wouldn't, I feel like, I don't know.

1825
02:09:52,070 --> 02:09:53,390
I mean, it sounds kind of like an HOA

1826
02:09:53,390 --> 02:09:54,810
and you hear so many horror stories

1827
02:09:54,810 --> 02:09:58,190
about HOA enforcement, I would rather not put that on them

1828
02:09:58,190 --> 02:09:59,830
and it's an additional responsibility

1829
02:09:59,830 --> 02:10:01,290
that a lot of people probably don't wanna deal with.

1830
02:10:01,810 --> 02:10:03,810
So I don't think there needs to be enforcement over there

1831
02:10:03,810 --> 02:10:07,390
but if they would like to be in charge of it

1832
02:10:08,550 --> 02:10:12,530
and if we can just tighten it up and look at it

1833
02:10:12,530 --> 02:10:18,290
kind of like John was saying, let's look at it and say,

1834
02:10:18,370 --> 02:10:20,530
okay, well maybe we would allow certain kinds of metal

1835
02:10:20,530 --> 02:10:23,410
and put that in or whatever, not that you said that

1836
02:10:23,410 --> 02:10:26,950
specifically, but just as an example of things maybe

1837
02:10:26,950 --> 02:10:29,270
that we would want to look into so that it's maybe

1838
02:10:29,270 --> 02:10:32,630
more modern and less onerous and then hand it over

1839
02:10:32,630 --> 02:10:35,470
so that there's less gray area

1840
02:10:35,470 --> 02:10:37,110
and I think that could be beneficial.

1841
02:10:37,590 --> 02:10:43,390
And I'd like the idea of saying that any changes to it would have to come before council.

1842
02:10:43,570 --> 02:10:51,530
I think that would help at least ease my mind a lot on a certain group who's saying that all we want to make this change

1843
02:10:51,530 --> 02:10:57,250
and make this change without, you know, I think that would ease my mind as far as...

1844
02:10:57,250 --> 02:11:01,170
And it would probably be something as simple as something that's in the consent items.

1845
02:11:01,890 --> 02:11:04,110
You know, it's put in the package and so...

1846
02:11:05,390 --> 02:11:11,770
So my one question and this would be for Melinda and Jason because each of you

1847
02:11:11,770 --> 02:11:16,990
have worked in different cities have you seen you know been a part of

1848
02:11:16,990 --> 02:11:24,950
something like this where with business parks are not really you know I think

1849
02:11:24,950 --> 02:11:31,950
it's a pretty unique thing that Caysville did and and I'm not aware of

1850
02:11:31,950 --> 02:11:33,370
many others as well.

1851
02:11:35,290 --> 02:11:39,110
I think, right, initially the city bought the property

1852
02:11:39,110 --> 02:11:40,390
we acted as the developer.

1853
02:11:41,570 --> 02:11:44,350
I think how that's been tackled in other cities

1854
02:11:44,350 --> 02:11:48,610
is just that you do put regulations in place

1855
02:11:48,610 --> 02:11:51,970
for that particular zone or even design guidelines

1856
02:11:53,390 --> 02:11:57,250
that are required, but I have not seen this

1857
02:11:59,570 --> 02:12:01,750
in and don't know of anything else.

1858
02:12:02,510 --> 02:12:05,630
Okay, no, I just was curious.

1859
02:12:06,530 --> 02:12:08,830
So what, so on this item,

1860
02:12:09,610 --> 02:12:13,250
are you looking for us to give direction to staff

1861
02:12:13,250 --> 02:12:15,590
to move forward with transferring?

1862
02:12:17,250 --> 02:12:18,890
I mean, is that, is, so is there,

1863
02:12:19,110 --> 02:12:20,370
do we need to make a motion to that?

1864
02:12:20,530 --> 02:12:22,230
Because I, you know, what's written

1865
02:12:22,230 --> 02:12:23,410
was just an update on the survey.

1866
02:12:26,530 --> 02:12:29,110
I think a motion either to recommend

1867
02:12:29,110 --> 02:12:35,990
moving forward with the transition or to not would be my preference. Okay, what

1868
02:12:35,990 --> 02:12:42,690
do you think Amelia? Is Amelia right? I forgot we've have Amelia here who's Youth

1869
02:12:42,690 --> 02:12:46,230
City Council representative and she sat through the whole meeting and I was

1870
02:12:46,230 --> 02:12:47,530
supposed to ask her questions.

1871
02:12:52,050 --> 02:12:54,730
I just got so heated. What do you think? Have

1872
02:12:54,730 --> 02:12:58,710
you been paying attention to this? I don't think I've seen you play with

1873
02:12:58,710 --> 02:13:05,730
your phone once. No, I don't like being on my phone. That's probably hard. No, I don't, I'm not on it too

1874
02:13:05,730 --> 02:13:14,670
much. Thank you. I don't have anything specifically to put it on the spot. I put you on the spot.

1875
02:13:15,510 --> 02:13:23,570
Sorry. Would some like to make a motion? I'll make a motion. Okay. I'll make a motion that we, yeah,

1876
02:13:23,570 --> 02:13:31,730
suggest or or that we move towards transferring the architectural review

1877
02:13:31,730 --> 02:13:36,510
committee to the owners of the business park with some of the

1878
02:13:36,510 --> 02:13:42,870
stipulations aforementioned and considerations that we've discussed.

1879
02:13:43,950 --> 02:13:47,150
I hope that Mindy took good notes on that one.

1880
02:13:50,040 --> 02:13:52,340
All right, do you have a second? I'll second.

1881
02:13:52,880 --> 02:13:54,500
All right, Mike.

1882
02:13:55,180 --> 02:13:55,400
Hi.

1883
02:13:55,920 --> 02:13:56,060
Hi.

1884
02:13:56,540 --> 02:13:56,800
Hi.

1885
02:13:57,000 --> 02:13:57,120
Hi.

1886
02:13:58,060 --> 02:13:58,900
All right.

1887
02:13:59,280 --> 02:14:00,320
And I think that's it.

1888
02:14:00,680 --> 02:14:02,520
So we have a motion to adjourn.

1889
02:14:02,800 --> 02:14:04,840
No, I think we should stay all night.

1890
02:14:05,720 --> 02:14:06,140
No.

1891
02:14:06,960 --> 02:14:07,480
No.

1892
02:14:07,720 --> 02:14:07,920
Okay.

1893
02:14:08,200 --> 02:14:08,720
Thank you.

1894
02:14:09,460 --> 02:14:10,020
Great job.

1895
02:14:10,300 --> 02:14:10,760
Very well done.

1896
02:14:11,140 --> 02:14:11,920
Good job, Terry.

1897
02:14:12,060 --> 02:14:12,800
You're a bad girl.