1 00:00:00,400 --> 00:00:04,880 items as always. The little green lights 2 00:00:04,880 --> 00:00:07,440 in front of you, those are recording, so 3 00:00:07,440 --> 00:00:09,679 they should pick up everyone's voice 4 00:00:09,679 --> 00:00:12,719 fairly well. And we kind of scoop this 5 00:00:12,719 --> 00:00:15,759 up a little bit uh this time so that you 6 00:00:15,759 --> 00:00:17,680 pick up the voices better for the 7 00:00:17,680 --> 00:00:18,880 recording and for people that are 8 00:00:18,880 --> 00:00:22,080 listening online. And I'm using this uh 9 00:00:22,080 --> 00:00:24,640 handheld just because this helps a 10 00:00:24,640 --> 00:00:26,160 little bit as well. I think we should 11 00:00:26,160 --> 00:00:29,439 all talk at once 12 00:00:29,439 --> 00:00:31,119 >> cuz then they be happy. 13 00:00:31,119 --> 00:00:32,559 >> That's what Amry likes, right? Is when 14 00:00:32,559 --> 00:00:33,680 we all talk at the same time. 15 00:00:33,680 --> 00:00:34,719 >> I probably should have asked that 16 00:00:34,719 --> 00:00:35,200 before. 17 00:00:35,200 --> 00:00:35,760 >> It's great. 18 00:00:35,760 --> 00:00:37,680 because then it's very 19 00:00:37,680 --> 00:00:39,280 confusing. 20 00:00:39,280 --> 00:00:40,879 >> All your snacks on. 21 00:00:40,879 --> 00:00:44,719 >> So hopefully everyone can hear well. And 22 00:00:44,719 --> 00:00:48,960 with that, we'll just uh kick this off. 23 00:00:48,960 --> 00:00:50,879 Um the first thing we want to put on 24 00:00:50,879 --> 00:00:54,719 here is so the new state requirements 25 00:00:54,719 --> 00:00:57,920 and legislation on property tax uh 26 00:00:57,920 --> 00:01:00,960 require cities in their first meeting of 27 00:01:00,960 --> 00:01:06,799 May to notice if there's an intent um to 28 00:01:06,799 --> 00:01:09,200 do truth in taxation, do a property tax 29 00:01:09,200 --> 00:01:11,439 increase. Obviously, the council has not 30 00:01:11,439 --> 00:01:14,880 voted on anything yet or even seen um 31 00:01:14,880 --> 00:01:18,000 the the full budget, but uh as staff, 32 00:01:18,000 --> 00:01:19,680 the proposed budget that we're going to 33 00:01:19,680 --> 00:01:22,479 be recommending does include a property 34 00:01:22,479 --> 00:01:25,200 tax increase. And then the numbers that 35 00:01:25,200 --> 00:01:27,200 we're looking at, as you can see up 36 00:01:27,200 --> 00:01:29,119 there on the notice, it would be a 37 00:01:29,119 --> 00:01:31,520 31.24% 38 00:01:31,520 --> 00:01:34,640 revenue increase. That is the exact to 39 00:01:34,640 --> 00:01:36,799 the dollar amount increase that was 40 00:01:36,799 --> 00:01:40,000 approved last year and then not not in 41 00:01:40,000 --> 00:01:42,079 the end approved by the state because of 42 00:01:42,079 --> 00:01:44,400 what we're all too familiar with. We we 43 00:01:44,400 --> 00:01:45,680 missed a couple of things on new 44 00:01:45,680 --> 00:01:47,280 legislation 45 00:01:47,280 --> 00:01:49,119 um specifically. 46 00:01:49,119 --> 00:01:51,520 We held uh other business on the night 47 00:01:51,520 --> 00:01:54,159 of the the the hearing. 48 00:01:54,159 --> 00:01:55,600 So, we're we're going to we're being 49 00:01:55,600 --> 00:01:57,360 very careful this year to make sure that 50 00:01:57,360 --> 00:01:59,040 uh when we if we do the truth and 51 00:01:59,040 --> 00:02:00,960 taxation, if the council does approve 52 00:02:00,960 --> 00:02:03,520 that, the hearing on August 6 would 53 00:02:03,520 --> 00:02:05,439 include nothing that night but the truth 54 00:02:05,439 --> 00:02:07,600 and taxation hearing. No other city 55 00:02:07,600 --> 00:02:10,479 business at all. Um but anyway, again, 56 00:02:10,479 --> 00:02:14,319 this is part of the state requirement to put this notice out. Again, that 57 00:02:14,319 --> 00:02:18,720 31.244% 24 4% is a revenue dollar amount 58 00:02:18,720 --> 00:02:21,440 uh increase uh the exact dollar amount 59 00:02:21,440 --> 00:02:22,879 that we would have increased last year 60 00:02:22,879 --> 00:02:26,720 had that gone through with the state. Um 61 00:02:26,720 --> 00:02:28,800 that's that's that slide. I guess move 62 00:02:28,800 --> 00:02:30,800 on to the next slide. Okay. This is also 63 00:02:30,800 --> 00:02:33,200 part of that statement that's required 64 00:02:33,200 --> 00:02:35,280 by the state. Um I just point your 65 00:02:35,280 --> 00:02:38,640 attention to the the bottom right number 66 00:02:38,640 --> 00:02:43,840 there again that um $1,795,000. 67 00:02:43,840 --> 00:02:46,560 That's that's that 31 68 00:02:46,560 --> 00:02:50,879 um whatever it was 31.24% 69 00:02:50,879 --> 00:02:55,120 would equal 1.79 million in total 70 00:02:55,120 --> 00:02:57,040 revenue increase. And again that's the 71 00:02:57,040 --> 00:03:01,270 same number as last year. So 72 00:03:01,280 --> 00:03:02,560 for some of the reasons some of the 73 00:03:02,560 --> 00:03:04,000 other information up there is just we'll 74 00:03:04,000 --> 00:03:09,440 get into some of this later. Um but it's the same stuff that we increased 75 00:03:09,440 --> 00:03:14,400 the budget for last year. It was for the fieldhouse for the new staffing 76 00:03:14,400 --> 00:03:16,400 positions, the sergeant that was funded 77 00:03:16,400 --> 00:03:19,519 last year, the assistant attorney. Um, 78 00:03:19,519 --> 00:03:21,360 and then just general inflationary 79 00:03:21,360 --> 00:03:24,480 increases. Uh, that's all what's what's 80 00:03:24,480 --> 00:03:26,640 driving that that increase. So, 81 00:03:26,640 --> 00:03:27,920 >> Jason, you're going to send these slides 82 00:03:27,920 --> 00:03:30,000 to us if you haven't already, right? 83 00:03:30,000 --> 00:03:32,319 >> Yes. Everyone's got the paper sites in 84 00:03:32,319 --> 00:03:33,200 front of them right now. 85 00:03:33,200 --> 00:03:34,239 >> I have digital, too. 86 00:03:34,239 --> 00:03:36,799 >> And digital went out last night. 87 00:03:36,799 --> 00:03:37,920 So, 88 00:03:37,920 --> 00:03:39,519 >> Okay. Sorry. 89 00:03:39,519 --> 00:03:42,630 Yeah. 90 00:03:42,640 --> 00:03:45,440 » Um, 91 00:03:45,440 --> 00:03:48,879 >> so next slides. So um, now this will 92 00:03:48,879 --> 00:03:51,200 officially get into the work session. 93 00:03:51,200 --> 00:03:53,920 Um, we always start with our mission 94 00:03:53,920 --> 00:03:56,560 statement and and Marin has 95 00:03:56,560 --> 00:03:58,640 >> Yeah, it's my turn. 96 00:03:58,640 --> 00:03:59,920 >> Do you want the 97 00:03:59,920 --> 00:04:03,910 >> Oh, yeah. 98 00:04:03,920 --> 00:04:06,879 Oh, and by the way, John's horse had a 99 00:04:06,879 --> 00:04:08,480 baby this morning, so he's waiting for 100 00:04:08,480 --> 00:04:10,799 it to nurse and then he'll be here. If 101 00:04:10,799 --> 00:04:14,710 you didn't already know, 102 00:04:14,720 --> 00:04:15,840 » that's pretty cool. 103 00:04:15,840 --> 00:04:18,160 >> That is 104 00:04:18,160 --> 00:04:24,550 a month overdue. 105 00:04:24,560 --> 00:04:28,800 » Hi, welcome to budget number two. Um, I 106 00:04:28,800 --> 00:04:30,800 just wanted to share a quick thought. 107 00:04:30,800 --> 00:04:32,720 There's a saying, "The best time to 108 00:04:32,720 --> 00:04:34,720 plant a tree was 20 years ago. The 109 00:04:34,720 --> 00:04:37,840 second best time is now." This idea 110 00:04:37,840 --> 00:04:40,000 shows up everywhere, especially when it 111 00:04:40,000 --> 00:04:42,479 comes to finances and budgeting. Most of 112 00:04:42,479 --> 00:04:44,400 us can think of something we wish we 113 00:04:44,400 --> 00:04:47,199 would have started earlier. Saving more, 114 00:04:47,199 --> 00:04:50,000 investing sooner, tracking spending, 115 00:04:50,000 --> 00:04:51,680 paying something off. But this isn't 116 00:04:51,680 --> 00:04:54,639 about regret. It's about perspective. 117 00:04:54,639 --> 00:04:56,720 Because we can't go back 20 years, but 118 00:04:56,720 --> 00:04:59,440 we do have today. That's really what 119 00:04:59,440 --> 00:05:01,759 makes this budget meeting. 120 00:05:01,759 --> 00:05:03,040 That's really what this budget meeting 121 00:05:03,040 --> 00:05:05,759 is about. Not perfection, not fixing 122 00:05:05,759 --> 00:05:08,000 everything overnight, just making the 123 00:05:08,000 --> 00:05:10,240 next right decision with what we have 124 00:05:10,240 --> 00:05:13,680 now. Our mission statement is enhance 125 00:05:13,680 --> 00:05:15,520 the present and future quality of 126 00:05:15,520 --> 00:05:17,919 community life in Caseville through the 127 00:05:17,919 --> 00:05:20,000 delivery of effective, efficient, and 128 00:05:20,000 --> 00:05:22,160 equitable services. 129 00:05:22,160 --> 00:05:24,560 Every dollar we plan today, every 130 00:05:24,560 --> 00:05:27,840 adjustment we make, every small step, 131 00:05:27,840 --> 00:05:30,400 it's planting something. And those small 132 00:05:30,400 --> 00:05:33,120 choices are what turn into stability, 133 00:05:33,120 --> 00:05:36,320 flexibility, and options later. We have 134 00:05:36,320 --> 00:05:38,160 prepared a budget that isn't filled with 135 00:05:38,160 --> 00:05:40,160 fluff. It's filled with necessary 136 00:05:40,160 --> 00:05:44,160 projects, goals, and plans to enhance 137 00:05:44,160 --> 00:05:46,800 citizens lives while also creating a 138 00:05:46,800 --> 00:05:49,680 strategic plan to also enhance and 139 00:05:49,680 --> 00:05:52,560 create something better for the future. 140 00:05:52,560 --> 00:05:54,800 Every decision we make in this budget, 141 00:05:54,800 --> 00:05:57,280 how we allocate resources, where we 142 00:05:57,280 --> 00:06:00,320 invest, what we prioritize is part of 143 00:06:00,320 --> 00:06:02,800 delivering on that promise. It's how we 144 00:06:02,800 --> 00:06:05,199 balance the needs of today while still 145 00:06:05,199 --> 00:06:06,880 building something sustainable for 146 00:06:06,880 --> 00:06:09,039 tomorrow. 147 00:06:09,039 --> 00:06:11,280 Every budget reflects priorities, but it 148 00:06:11,280 --> 00:06:13,759 also reflects responsibilities. 149 00:06:13,759 --> 00:06:15,759 The decision we make today doesn't just 150 00:06:15,759 --> 00:06:17,919 affect this year's residents. They 151 00:06:17,919 --> 00:06:19,840 define the Caseville we can to the next 152 00:06:19,840 --> 00:06:22,400 generation. So wherever we're starting 153 00:06:22,400 --> 00:06:25,919 from, whether we feel behind, on track, 154 00:06:25,919 --> 00:06:28,479 or somewhere in between, the opportunity 155 00:06:28,479 --> 00:06:33,680 is the same. We plant the tree today. 156 00:06:33,680 --> 00:06:35,280 >> Very nice job. That 157 00:06:35,280 --> 00:06:38,790 >> was very inspiring. 158 00:06:38,800 --> 00:06:39,840 Good job. 159 00:06:39,840 --> 00:06:41,759 >> Oh, so I gave you a little seeds to give 160 00:06:41,759 --> 00:06:45,199 you a reminder to plant today. Plant in 161 00:06:45,199 --> 00:06:48,000 hands. 162 00:06:48,000 --> 00:06:49,840 >> Thanks, Maria. That's really cool. A 163 00:06:49,840 --> 00:06:51,440 great perspective. I love starting off 164 00:06:51,440 --> 00:06:53,520 these kinds of things with that kind of 165 00:06:53,520 --> 00:06:56,560 grounding of the big picture and the 166 00:06:56,560 --> 00:06:58,160 things that we're enjoying right now in 167 00:06:58,160 --> 00:07:00,319 Kesville. definitely are things that are 168 00:07:00,319 --> 00:07:02,720 because of people many many years ago 169 00:07:02,720 --> 00:07:04,800 that set that started that foundation 170 00:07:04,800 --> 00:07:07,440 and and invested into the community. And 171 00:07:07,440 --> 00:07:09,280 I love the mission statement here. I 172 00:07:09,280 --> 00:07:11,039 know we talk about it every time, but it 173 00:07:11,039 --> 00:07:14,319 is it's just so important um to think 174 00:07:14,319 --> 00:07:17,599 about uh what we're doing and the 175 00:07:17,599 --> 00:07:20,400 quality of life that we're charged with 176 00:07:20,400 --> 00:07:22,639 preserving for both the current and the 177 00:07:22,639 --> 00:07:24,720 future residents. And I I always think 178 00:07:24,720 --> 00:07:26,400 about, you know, sometimes you hear 179 00:07:26,400 --> 00:07:28,319 people say, well, we should run the city 180 00:07:28,319 --> 00:07:30,479 more like a business. And while it's 181 00:07:30,479 --> 00:07:32,560 certainly true that we are very we have 182 00:07:32,560 --> 00:07:34,319 to be very mindful of the the sacred 183 00:07:34,319 --> 00:07:36,240 public dollars that we're being as 184 00:07:36,240 --> 00:07:38,000 effective and efficient as we can be 185 00:07:38,000 --> 00:07:40,560 with those dollars, we also have to look 186 00:07:40,560 --> 00:07:42,240 at obviously other things that a 187 00:07:42,240 --> 00:07:44,400 business would look at. And it's it's 188 00:07:44,400 --> 00:07:46,240 beyond just the bottle. It's also 189 00:07:46,240 --> 00:07:48,240 ensuring that we're providing for public 190 00:07:48,240 --> 00:07:50,240 safety, that we're ensuring a quality of 191 00:07:50,240 --> 00:07:52,479 life. If if we were a business, the 192 00:07:52,479 --> 00:07:54,000 first thing we do is say, "Man, these 193 00:07:54,000 --> 00:07:55,680 parks are costing us a ton of money. Why 194 00:07:55,680 --> 00:07:57,919 are we is not not profitable at all. 195 00:07:57,919 --> 00:07:59,280 Sell these and and turn them into 196 00:07:59,280 --> 00:08:01,520 developments." And and I think public 197 00:08:01,520 --> 00:08:03,440 safety and and and other services would 198 00:08:03,440 --> 00:08:05,039 look much different if we were solely 199 00:08:05,039 --> 00:08:08,479 focused on the bottom line. Um but uh in 200 00:08:08,479 --> 00:08:09,919 addition to that, we we need to 201 00:08:09,919 --> 00:08:12,800 obviously think about 202 00:08:12,800 --> 00:08:15,120 protecting those those services and the 203 00:08:15,120 --> 00:08:16,800 quality of life that that residents 204 00:08:16,800 --> 00:08:19,120 expect. And so that's not cheap of 205 00:08:19,120 --> 00:08:20,639 course and that's why it gets kind of 206 00:08:20,639 --> 00:08:22,960 hard sometimes. But um with that we'll 207 00:08:22,960 --> 00:08:28,720 move into the schedule. Um so right now 208 00:08:28,720 --> 00:08:30,800 this is the only other work session that 209 00:08:30,800 --> 00:08:32,479 we are planning. depending on how today 210 00:08:32,479 --> 00:08:33,839 goes or other questions we could 211 00:08:33,839 --> 00:08:36,399 schedule an additional work session but 212 00:08:36,399 --> 00:08:39,839 our intent was um today would be the the 213 00:08:39,839 --> 00:08:41,919 second and final work session and then 214 00:08:41,919 --> 00:08:45,200 next uh Thursday next week we will have 215 00:08:45,200 --> 00:08:48,000 the tenative budget um proposed to the 216 00:08:48,000 --> 00:08:50,399 council and council would vote on on 217 00:08:50,399 --> 00:08:53,760 that. Um this is all driven by state uh 218 00:08:53,760 --> 00:08:55,760 requirements deadlines uh that we have 219 00:08:55,760 --> 00:08:58,640 to adopt the tenative budget um this 220 00:08:58,640 --> 00:09:02,320 month and so the next step after that 221 00:09:02,320 --> 00:09:04,560 would be to assuming there aren't any 222 00:09:04,560 --> 00:09:06,000 additional public hearing or sorry 223 00:09:06,000 --> 00:09:08,720 additional work sessions we would have 224 00:09:08,720 --> 00:09:12,160 the public hearing on June 4th and then 225 00:09:12,160 --> 00:09:14,399 uh vote on whether to proceed with the 226 00:09:14,399 --> 00:09:18,080 truth and taxation um at the the second 227 00:09:18,080 --> 00:09:20,640 meeting of June on June 18th and then 228 00:09:20,640 --> 00:09:22,320 the truth if that happens the truth and 229 00:09:22,320 --> 00:09:24,959 taxation would happen on August 6th. So 230 00:09:24,959 --> 00:09:27,440 that's the over overall schedule. Any 231 00:09:27,440 --> 00:09:31,519 questions so far? Okay, next slide. Um 232 00:09:31,519 --> 00:09:33,200 we've talked about the budget objectives 233 00:09:33,200 --> 00:09:35,040 all the time but these are the three key 234 00:09:35,040 --> 00:09:38,320 things. Um 235 00:09:38,320 --> 00:09:41,120 I think pretty familiar with those all 236 00:09:41,120 --> 00:09:42,640 three things are important. Operations, 237 00:09:42,640 --> 00:09:45,839 employees and capital make the city work 238 00:09:45,839 --> 00:09:48,480 and need to be sustainable and invested 239 00:09:48,480 --> 00:09:52,480 in. Uh so today's schedule we are going 240 00:09:52,480 --> 00:09:54,880 to talk about primarily enterprise funds 241 00:09:54,880 --> 00:09:56,880 today. Power, water, sewer, things like 242 00:09:56,880 --> 00:10:00,320 that. Um we will kind of circle back to 243 00:10:00,320 --> 00:10:02,480 general fund. We obviously last work 244 00:10:02,480 --> 00:10:05,200 sessions solely focused on general fund. 245 00:10:05,200 --> 00:10:07,120 We wanted to swing back to that and kind 246 00:10:07,120 --> 00:10:08,720 of hit on some follow-up things to make 247 00:10:08,720 --> 00:10:10,160 sure that we're still on track with what 248 00:10:10,160 --> 00:10:12,959 the council was hoping. Um but again, 249 00:10:12,959 --> 00:10:15,839 primarily today is about enterprise. So 250 00:10:15,839 --> 00:10:19,760 with that um op center or sorry no bluff 251 00:10:19,760 --> 00:10:21,760 um council member Oats always like to 252 00:10:21,760 --> 00:10:23,200 have a bluff statement meaning we mean 253 00:10:23,200 --> 00:10:26,560 bottom line up front. So what is what is 254 00:10:26,560 --> 00:10:32,560 the damage and we'll we'll get into the why behind all this in the coming uh 255 00:10:32,560 --> 00:10:35,040 couple hours here but right up front 256 00:10:35,040 --> 00:10:37,200 this is what the whole thing looks like. 257 00:10:37,200 --> 00:10:39,839 So again, property taxes, general funds, 258 00:10:39,839 --> 00:10:41,600 stuff, that stuff we we're not spending 259 00:10:41,600 --> 00:10:43,839 a lot of time on today, but the the 260 00:10:43,839 --> 00:10:47,360 proposed 31.24% 261 00:10:47,360 --> 00:10:48,880 uh revenue increase in property tax 262 00:10:48,880 --> 00:10:52,160 would result in about a $14.80 a month 263 00:10:52,160 --> 00:10:54,079 uh increase to the average resident. 264 00:10:54,079 --> 00:10:59,200 meaning the owner of a house valued at $690,000, 265 00:10:59,200 --> 00:11:00,640 which is the average home value in 266 00:11:00,640 --> 00:11:03,519 Cesville, they would see a $14.80 267 00:11:03,519 --> 00:11:05,680 increase. And again, I I know we say it 268 00:11:05,680 --> 00:11:09,040 over and over, but this is simply 269 00:11:09,040 --> 00:11:11,600 uh the the number that would have been 270 00:11:11,600 --> 00:11:13,200 approved last year had it gone through 271 00:11:13,200 --> 00:11:14,560 with the state, the number that you all 272 00:11:14,560 --> 00:11:16,959 voted for, and then it didn't happen. Um 273 00:11:16,959 --> 00:11:19,279 we're not spending proposing to spend a 274 00:11:19,279 --> 00:11:22,079 cent more in property tax increase uh 275 00:11:22,079 --> 00:11:23,760 this year than than what was proposed 276 00:11:23,760 --> 00:11:25,120 and approved last year. 277 00:11:25,120 --> 00:11:26,640 >> Okay. I do have a question. So last 278 00:11:26,640 --> 00:11:28,560 year, although the budget didn't change, 279 00:11:28,560 --> 00:11:30,079 I thought we still increase water, 280 00:11:30,079 --> 00:11:33,600 electric, sanitation, and sewer. 281 00:11:33,600 --> 00:11:34,480 Correct me. 282 00:11:34,480 --> 00:11:36,480 >> But all of those rates did get adjusted 283 00:11:36,480 --> 00:11:38,399 last year. Okay. Correct. Good point. 284 00:11:38,399 --> 00:11:40,959 >> So really these aren't included in these 285 00:11:40,959 --> 00:11:42,000 numbers this year. 286 00:11:42,000 --> 00:11:44,800 >> Okay. So I'm only right now. Okay. Good 287 00:11:44,800 --> 00:11:46,240 question. Right now I'm solely talking 288 00:11:46,240 --> 00:11:47,760 about property tax. 289 00:11:47,760 --> 00:11:48,720 >> Um 290 00:11:48,720 --> 00:11:50,560 >> Okay. So the only line we're looking at 291 00:11:50,560 --> 00:11:51,680 is number one. 292 00:11:51,680 --> 00:11:53,040 >> Right now I'm only talking about Yeah. 293 00:11:53,040 --> 00:11:54,800 The number one line property tax and and 294 00:11:54,800 --> 00:11:59,200 so yeah the 1480 that's so simply 295 00:11:59,200 --> 00:12:01,040 capturing what would have gone through 296 00:12:01,040 --> 00:12:02,959 last year and not nothing else. That's 297 00:12:02,959 --> 00:12:05,200 the 1480 the property tax. The rest of 298 00:12:05,200 --> 00:12:08,000 the numbers um are all enterprise funds 299 00:12:08,000 --> 00:12:09,200 and that's what we're here to talk about 300 00:12:09,200 --> 00:12:13,279 today. So we are proposing increasing um 301 00:12:13,279 --> 00:12:15,200 some of the fees to power, electric, 302 00:12:15,200 --> 00:12:16,000 water 303 00:12:16,000 --> 00:12:17,680 >> even though we already did it last year. 304 00:12:17,680 --> 00:12:19,519 >> We did it last year. Yes. But it's and 305 00:12:19,519 --> 00:12:21,760 we'll get into why we're proposing to 306 00:12:21,760 --> 00:12:23,680 continue to increase those this year and 307 00:12:23,680 --> 00:12:26,720 probably in the future years. Just 308 00:12:26,720 --> 00:12:29,279 that's that's today's discussion. 309 00:12:29,279 --> 00:12:32,480 >> Okay. So, as I have asked in the past, 310 00:12:32,480 --> 00:12:34,959 when you give this uh scale of the 311 00:12:34,959 --> 00:12:36,959 690,000 312 00:12:36,959 --> 00:12:38,959 and tell you what it is, I've asked 313 00:12:38,959 --> 00:12:41,440 several times, could you please put more 314 00:12:41,440 --> 00:12:44,720 on there like a 80 800,000 to 9? Cuz 315 00:12:44,720 --> 00:12:48,160 there is not one house around me that is 316 00:12:48,160 --> 00:12:50,639 valued at that. And I'd like to be able 317 00:12:50,639 --> 00:12:53,600 to tell the people around me what their 318 00:12:53,600 --> 00:12:55,839 tax increase is going to be like. I 319 00:12:55,839 --> 00:12:58,959 don't know of one house west of I-15 320 00:12:58,959 --> 00:13:03,440 that values at 600 and 321 00:13:03,440 --> 00:13:07,040 good 690 where is put 600 something 322 00:13:07,040 --> 00:13:09,600 th000 I don't know of one that's down 323 00:13:09,600 --> 00:13:11,360 there so I can't legitimately tell 324 00:13:11,360 --> 00:13:14,720 people who have houses that are 800,000 325 00:13:14,720 --> 00:13:17,120 900,000 million that their valuation 326 00:13:17,120 --> 00:13:18,639 what their taxes are going to be and 327 00:13:18,639 --> 00:13:20,000 what their increase is going to be so 328 00:13:20,000 --> 00:13:22,079 they actually know what it's going to be 329 00:13:22,079 --> 00:13:23,760 and I want to know what it's going to be 330 00:13:23,760 --> 00:13:25,200 if they come up Right. 331 00:13:25,200 --> 00:13:26,959 >> Yeah, we can do that. Sorry, Mike. The 332 00:13:26,959 --> 00:13:29,600 690 came directly from the state as 333 00:13:29,600 --> 00:13:31,120 Quesil's average. 334 00:13:31,120 --> 00:13:32,720 >> I just don't see it around. I mean, 335 00:13:32,720 --> 00:13:35,680 there's not one house with 515 that is 336 00:13:35,680 --> 00:13:37,839 averaged at 690,000. To me, it's not a 337 00:13:37,839 --> 00:13:40,160 real number. So, that's why I'd like 338 00:13:40,160 --> 00:13:41,760 >> No, we can we can create that for sure. 339 00:13:41,760 --> 00:13:43,839 >> Thank you. 340 00:13:43,839 --> 00:13:44,480 >> And 341 00:13:44,480 --> 00:13:46,000 >> do you want to do one a little bit lower 342 00:13:46,000 --> 00:13:46,720 too for 343 00:13:46,720 --> 00:13:47,040 >> Yes. 344 00:13:47,040 --> 00:13:47,920 >> the house? 345 00:13:47,920 --> 00:13:49,600 >> I I thought I don't think there's a 346 00:13:49,600 --> 00:13:53,200 house in case value 690,000. There's the 347 00:13:53,200 --> 00:13:56,480 average. a lot from the state. 348 00:13:56,480 --> 00:13:58,160 >> But but it's a great point, Mike. If 349 00:13:58,160 --> 00:13:59,600 you're if you're on the east side, that 350 00:13:59,600 --> 00:14:01,199 might seem like a high number to some 351 00:14:01,199 --> 00:14:02,800 people. If you're on the west side, that 352 00:14:02,800 --> 00:14:06,480 seems obviously very low. Uh we I 353 00:14:06,480 --> 00:14:07,839 believe we did last year when we were 354 00:14:07,839 --> 00:14:09,839 putting out public information. We were 355 00:14:09,839 --> 00:14:11,600 breaking it down on okay, if it's this, 356 00:14:11,600 --> 00:14:13,920 you know, 800 is this, it's 700, and 357 00:14:13,920 --> 00:14:15,519 then there's a simple formula that you 358 00:14:15,519 --> 00:14:17,680 can also apply. But yeah, for today's 359 00:14:17,680 --> 00:14:20,399 purpose, we were just trying to um but 360 00:14:20,399 --> 00:14:24,480 yeah, well noted. Um so again today's 361 00:14:24,480 --> 00:14:27,839 primarily about enterprise funds and uh 362 00:14:27,839 --> 00:14:30,000 we are proposing increasing some of 363 00:14:30,000 --> 00:14:32,480 those fees to to be able to continue to 364 00:14:32,480 --> 00:14:38,800 invest and sustain those funds. So they stay in the the black. Um and so 365 00:14:38,800 --> 00:14:40,800 you can see the dollar increases to each 366 00:14:40,800 --> 00:14:43,199 of those. Water $163 367 00:14:43,199 --> 00:14:47,920 electric uh 31. This is again uh per 368 00:14:47,920 --> 00:14:51,279 month increases. the sanitation, you 369 00:14:51,279 --> 00:14:53,120 know, the Robinson waste and the sewer, 370 00:14:53,120 --> 00:14:54,959 those are pass through costs primarily 371 00:14:54,959 --> 00:14:59,920 from uh Central Davis and um from uh 372 00:14:59,920 --> 00:15:02,000 from Robinson. 373 00:15:02,000 --> 00:15:04,639 Anyway, the total impact of all things 374 00:15:04,639 --> 00:15:07,360 uh based to the average resident, again, 375 00:15:07,360 --> 00:15:09,040 a resident who owns the average house 376 00:15:09,040 --> 00:15:11,920 value of 690 and and consumes the 377 00:15:11,920 --> 00:15:15,279 average amount of of power, water, etc. 378 00:15:15,279 --> 00:15:17,680 would be $251 379 00:15:17,680 --> 00:15:19,279 uh a month. So, we wanted to just kind 380 00:15:19,279 --> 00:15:21,120 of put that into bottom line up front, 381 00:15:21,120 --> 00:15:22,800 what does this impact look like to the 382 00:15:22,800 --> 00:15:24,800 average person. 383 00:15:24,800 --> 00:15:28,079 Um, so with that, we'll kind of jump 384 00:15:28,079 --> 00:15:30,959 into some of the wise behind this. Right 385 00:15:30,959 --> 00:15:33,199 off the bat, we wanted to touch back on 386 00:15:33,199 --> 00:15:35,360 something we've we've talked about in 387 00:15:35,360 --> 00:15:38,639 prior years, the operation center. Um, 388 00:15:38,639 --> 00:15:41,600 last year was discussed ultimately not 389 00:15:41,600 --> 00:15:45,839 put on the budget uh due to so many 390 00:15:45,839 --> 00:15:47,440 things. We had the gymnasium and and 391 00:15:47,440 --> 00:15:51,120 other things. Um I think everyone's 392 00:15:51,120 --> 00:15:54,320 heard this before, but uh the operation 393 00:15:54,320 --> 00:15:56,320 center was built in the early '9s, so 394 00:15:56,320 --> 00:16:00,240 it's it's um obviously it's outgrown. It 395 00:16:00,240 --> 00:16:04,160 needs to be reinvested in. Uh primarily, 396 00:16:04,160 --> 00:16:05,839 I think it's a lot to do with square 397 00:16:05,839 --> 00:16:07,279 footage. I mean, we've grown as a city 398 00:16:07,279 --> 00:16:10,959 since the early '90s. Um and and as 399 00:16:10,959 --> 00:16:12,959 people that have been down there know, 400 00:16:12,959 --> 00:16:15,120 um there's there's not space for people 401 00:16:15,120 --> 00:16:18,720 to work. We've got the old um Davis 402 00:16:18,720 --> 00:16:21,360 School District out building that's uh I 403 00:16:21,360 --> 00:16:23,279 don't know how old that thing is now, 404 00:16:23,279 --> 00:16:27,120 but um it's it's very old. We're so 405 00:16:27,120 --> 00:16:29,120 we're just looking for for the space as 406 00:16:29,120 --> 00:16:32,079 we've grown as a city to to to expand. 407 00:16:32,079 --> 00:16:34,880 Uh, as everyone probably remembers, um, 408 00:16:34,880 --> 00:16:36,959 in years past when we've looked at the 409 00:16:36,959 --> 00:16:38,720 operations center, we looked at a much 410 00:16:38,720 --> 00:16:40,800 bigger comprehensive project and and 411 00:16:40,800 --> 00:16:43,680 that even as a year or two ago, it was 412 00:16:43,680 --> 00:16:47,279 about $39 million to do that version. 413 00:16:47,279 --> 00:16:49,920 Um, we found a way to scale that back 414 00:16:49,920 --> 00:16:52,320 obviously substantially to to about a 415 00:16:52,320 --> 00:16:57,440 $6.4 million project. Um, which would bump out the front of the building 416 00:16:57,440 --> 00:16:59,199 and add that square footage that we 417 00:16:59,199 --> 00:17:03,440 need. Um, it also includes, you know, 418 00:17:03,440 --> 00:17:06,319 covered storage for the yard. Um, which 419 00:17:06,319 --> 00:17:07,439 is important. We've got all this 420 00:17:07,439 --> 00:17:08,880 expensive equipment just sitting out in 421 00:17:08,880 --> 00:17:12,880 the elements. Um, we have a state 422 00:17:12,880 --> 00:17:16,799 requirement to upgrade our fuel island 423 00:17:16,799 --> 00:17:21,039 um by technically the deadline is July 1 424 00:17:21,039 --> 00:17:22,559 of this year, but they told us they 425 00:17:22,559 --> 00:17:24,799 would extend that to January 1st of next 426 00:17:24,799 --> 00:17:27,679 year. We we learned that last year, so 427 00:17:27,679 --> 00:17:29,280 we didn't have a lot of time to react to 428 00:17:29,280 --> 00:17:33,760 it. Um, but that $500,000 that that's 429 00:17:33,760 --> 00:17:36,080 required. We have no choice but to to 430 00:17:36,080 --> 00:17:37,919 comply with the state. They put us on 431 00:17:37,919 --> 00:17:42,400 notice. We've got to upgrade our fuel to bring it to current state standards. 432 00:17:42,400 --> 00:17:43,840 >> I have a question on that, Jason. 433 00:17:43,840 --> 00:17:45,919 >> Yes. So, when I was down at the league, 434 00:17:45,919 --> 00:17:47,440 I was talking to a couple cities about 435 00:17:47,440 --> 00:17:49,760 fuel stations and several of the city 436 00:17:49,760 --> 00:17:51,440 cities said that what they're able to do 437 00:17:51,440 --> 00:17:54,320 is use a fuel station that they have one 438 00:17:54,320 --> 00:17:57,520 in the city and they weren't tiny cities 439 00:17:57,520 --> 00:18:00,080 like you know in southern Utah and then 440 00:18:00,080 --> 00:18:01,840 they were able to open it up for state 441 00:18:01,840 --> 00:18:04,160 vehicles and opening it up for state 442 00:18:04,160 --> 00:18:06,000 vehicles allowed them to drop the rate 443 00:18:06,000 --> 00:18:08,640 for fuel down because the state is on a 444 00:18:08,640 --> 00:18:10,559 different contract than the cities are 445 00:18:10,559 --> 00:18:12,080 and then they were able to supplement 446 00:18:12,080 --> 00:18:13,760 some of the cost because the fuel was 447 00:18:13,760 --> 00:18:15,760 lower. I don't know if this is accurate, 448 00:18:15,760 --> 00:18:17,280 but this is what I was told cuz I said, 449 00:18:17,280 --> 00:18:18,960 "Yeah, we've got to move move our fuel 450 00:18:18,960 --> 00:18:20,880 station, it's going to be expensive." 451 00:18:20,880 --> 00:18:22,960 And they said, "Well, if you have one 452 00:18:22,960 --> 00:18:25,360 and you allow state vehicles to use it, 453 00:18:25,360 --> 00:18:26,960 and if it's on a route where they can 454 00:18:26,960 --> 00:18:29,919 stop by highway patrol or who I don't 455 00:18:29,919 --> 00:18:31,760 know who the state agencies are that use 456 00:18:31,760 --> 00:18:34,559 it, um, but it does reduce cost. Have we 457 00:18:34,559 --> 00:18:36,720 looked at that? And is that even viable? 458 00:18:36,720 --> 00:18:38,720 I don't know. I haven't asked anybody." 459 00:18:38,720 --> 00:18:40,160 >> A doesn't. 460 00:18:40,160 --> 00:18:41,919 >> Okay. Okay. And is it 461 00:18:41,919 --> 00:18:43,440 >> fill up throughout the state? It's kind 462 00:18:43,440 --> 00:18:44,320 of convenient. 463 00:18:44,320 --> 00:18:45,760 >> Okay. So, I'm just wondering if that's 464 00:18:45,760 --> 00:18:48,320 an option for Cisville to consider 465 00:18:48,320 --> 00:18:49,840 because especially where the fire 466 00:18:49,840 --> 00:18:51,360 station don't we have a fuel station 467 00:18:51,360 --> 00:18:51,840 there? 468 00:18:51,840 --> 00:18:52,240 >> Yes. 469 00:18:52,240 --> 00:18:53,919 >> Yeah. And it's on the main street. I 470 00:18:53,919 --> 00:18:55,679 realize it puts more traffic onto Main 471 00:18:55,679 --> 00:18:58,880 Street, but just as you know, by way of 472 00:18:58,880 --> 00:19:00,400 trying to figure out how can we benefit 473 00:19:00,400 --> 00:19:02,320 by some of these state contracts and the 474 00:19:02,320 --> 00:19:03,360 rates. 475 00:19:03,360 --> 00:19:06,640 >> Great. I love it. Yeah. Um I don't know 476 00:19:06,640 --> 00:19:08,240 that we've had any conversations with 477 00:19:08,240 --> 00:19:10,720 the state about that, but No, I'm 478 00:19:10,720 --> 00:19:12,720 certainly we could. It's uh it would 479 00:19:12,720 --> 00:19:16,000 just be the the fuel purchase price 480 00:19:16,000 --> 00:19:17,760 that would be where we'd get the help. 481 00:19:17,760 --> 00:19:18,720 >> But I mean it is 482 00:19:18,720 --> 00:19:20,000 >> interesting to look at though, 483 00:19:20,000 --> 00:19:21,679 >> but it is some help and I'm just 484 00:19:21,679 --> 00:19:22,559 >> sure. Yeah. 485 00:19:22,559 --> 00:19:22,880 >> Right. 486 00:19:22,880 --> 00:19:24,880 >> If if we can help ourselves at all, I 487 00:19:24,880 --> 00:19:27,840 think and it's viable. Let's consider 488 00:19:27,840 --> 00:19:28,559 it. 489 00:19:28,559 --> 00:19:29,840 >> Yeah, we can inquire. 490 00:19:29,840 --> 00:19:31,039 >> And maybe you guys already have and 491 00:19:31,039 --> 00:19:32,480 you're just like 492 00:19:32,480 --> 00:19:33,440 >> No, we have we haven't. 493 00:19:33,440 --> 00:19:35,200 >> Okay. Okay. That's that's what I've been 494 00:19:35,200 --> 00:19:35,600 told. 495 00:19:35,600 --> 00:19:37,440 >> Plus, we're taking classes. You know, 496 00:19:37,440 --> 00:19:39,679 St. George, a lot of us go down there 497 00:19:39,679 --> 00:19:41,919 for whatever conferences or whatever, we 498 00:19:41,919 --> 00:19:43,280 can hit points down there and get 499 00:19:43,280 --> 00:19:44,880 cheaper fuel. 500 00:19:44,880 --> 00:19:47,039 >> Yeah. And if they can benefit and we can 501 00:19:47,039 --> 00:19:49,679 benefit and it helps all of us, 502 00:19:49,679 --> 00:19:52,240 let's do it if it's possible. 503 00:19:52,240 --> 00:19:53,919 >> Absolutely. Yeah. I think that's great. 504 00:19:53,919 --> 00:19:55,840 Mayor, it's I love when we see 505 00:19:55,840 --> 00:19:57,360 governments working together. You know, 506 00:19:57,360 --> 00:19:58,480 we always talk about the fieldhouse. 507 00:19:58,480 --> 00:19:59,679 What a great, you know, opportunity that 508 00:19:59,679 --> 00:20:02,960 was to have you leverage um funds from 509 00:20:02,960 --> 00:20:04,559 two different entities and and if we can 510 00:20:04,559 --> 00:20:07,520 do something similar with state kind of 511 00:20:07,520 --> 00:20:09,520 help them and we they help us in terms 512 00:20:09,520 --> 00:20:13,919 of uh maybe paying a little when they feel 513 00:20:13,919 --> 00:20:15,679 >> even Davis Tech I think counts as being 514 00:20:15,679 --> 00:20:18,799 a state school. I I don't know for sure, 515 00:20:18,799 --> 00:20:19,200 but 516 00:20:19,200 --> 00:20:19,919 >> yeah, 517 00:20:19,919 --> 00:20:21,600 >> but um just state, 518 00:20:21,600 --> 00:20:22,000 >> right? 519 00:20:22,000 --> 00:20:22,400 >> Okay. 520 00:20:22,400 --> 00:20:25,760 >> I I I thought I'd heard that state um 521 00:20:25,760 --> 00:20:28,000 vehicles could fuel up at Davis Tech, 522 00:20:28,000 --> 00:20:29,760 but I might be mistaken on that. 523 00:20:29,760 --> 00:20:30,159 >> Okay. 524 00:20:30,159 --> 00:20:30,559 >> Um 525 00:20:30,559 --> 00:20:31,280 >> thanks. 526 00:20:31,280 --> 00:20:32,480 >> So, if that's the case, they've already 527 00:20:32,480 --> 00:20:34,159 got one, you know, in the area 528 00:20:34,159 --> 00:20:36,000 >> cuz they've got theirs. We'll definitely 529 00:20:36,000 --> 00:20:37,200 look into this. 530 00:20:37,200 --> 00:20:40,400 >> So, I think they fill up with RVs over 531 00:20:40,400 --> 00:20:42,799 here. They used to. All highway patrol 532 00:20:42,799 --> 00:20:45,919 would fill up with RVs and stuff. 533 00:20:45,919 --> 00:20:49,520 >> Buses. the buses are always there. 534 00:20:49,520 --> 00:20:52,080 >> Um so just looking at the cost of this 535 00:20:52,080 --> 00:20:54,080 operation center if if we were to build 536 00:20:54,080 --> 00:20:57,840 at 6.4 million to bond for that um we 537 00:20:57,840 --> 00:21:00,799 would spread that cost out over 20 years 538 00:21:00,799 --> 00:21:02,799 um and charge the different uh 539 00:21:02,799 --> 00:21:04,640 departments and funds that use the 540 00:21:04,640 --> 00:21:07,679 operations center. So, um, Maren and 541 00:21:07,679 --> 00:21:09,280 Cole and and the department heads have 542 00:21:09,280 --> 00:21:11,440 kind of gone through and try to figure 543 00:21:11,440 --> 00:21:14,559 out how much each department head or 544 00:21:14,559 --> 00:21:17,360 department uses, um, of the the total 545 00:21:17,360 --> 00:21:19,840 area of the operation center and kind of 546 00:21:19,840 --> 00:21:22,159 spread those costs out accordingly. So, 547 00:21:22,159 --> 00:21:23,760 what you're seeing there in the the box 548 00:21:23,760 --> 00:21:25,600 on the left is just the annual bond 549 00:21:25,600 --> 00:21:27,440 payments. The total bond payment for 550 00:21:27,440 --> 00:21:29,039 that bond over 20 years would be 551 00:21:29,039 --> 00:21:32,720 463,000, but spread out again into those 552 00:21:32,720 --> 00:21:35,760 different departments. Um, 553 00:21:35,760 --> 00:21:38,400 so and and I would just stress that this 554 00:21:38,400 --> 00:21:40,720 is almost all enterprise fund, not 555 00:21:40,720 --> 00:21:42,240 general fund. So we're not looking at 556 00:21:42,240 --> 00:21:43,760 truth and taxation really here. We're 557 00:21:43,760 --> 00:21:46,880 looking at um funding this with with the 558 00:21:46,880 --> 00:21:48,880 enterprise funds and and rate increases 559 00:21:48,880 --> 00:21:50,559 to to support that, which is the 560 00:21:50,559 --> 00:21:55,039 appropriate place to to cost that to. 561 00:21:55,039 --> 00:21:56,799 Next slide. This is the Waterworth 562 00:21:56,799 --> 00:21:58,799 model. Um, some of you remember from 563 00:21:58,799 --> 00:22:01,039 last year, we we now contract with a 564 00:22:01,039 --> 00:22:02,720 company called Waterworth that works 565 00:22:02,720 --> 00:22:04,720 with a lot of cities in Utah and across 566 00:22:04,720 --> 00:22:07,200 the country. But what this does is helps 567 00:22:07,200 --> 00:22:09,919 us project out future costs for our 568 00:22:09,919 --> 00:22:12,080 infrastructure. In this case, our 569 00:22:12,080 --> 00:22:16,159 electric costs. Um, and 570 00:22:16,159 --> 00:22:17,520 so it's called waterwork cuz they 571 00:22:17,520 --> 00:22:19,280 initially started just doing water 572 00:22:19,280 --> 00:22:21,200 infrastructure, but they do electric and 573 00:22:21,200 --> 00:22:23,440 roads and other things. So the electric 574 00:22:23,440 --> 00:22:27,200 model here is as you look at that um so 575 00:22:27,200 --> 00:22:30,000 the the blues and the green are our 576 00:22:30,000 --> 00:22:33,200 costs. Um the light blue is is you know 577 00:22:33,200 --> 00:22:35,600 cost of staff and operating costs. The 578 00:22:35,600 --> 00:22:38,559 dark blue is the projected cost of our 579 00:22:38,559 --> 00:22:41,039 power purchases. So everyone knows we we 580 00:22:41,039 --> 00:22:44,480 buy our power. Um and then the green is 581 00:22:44,480 --> 00:22:46,720 our capital cost for future maintenance 582 00:22:46,720 --> 00:22:49,679 and and infrastructure improvements. And 583 00:22:49,679 --> 00:22:51,919 so what obviously you want to do is make 584 00:22:51,919 --> 00:22:55,120 sure that the orange bars um guess those 585 00:22:55,120 --> 00:23:02,400 are orange uh partly purple but those bars are our projected revenue and 586 00:23:02,400 --> 00:23:03,840 of course we want to make sure that our 587 00:23:03,840 --> 00:23:06,240 revenue is is covering the cost of 588 00:23:06,240 --> 00:23:08,640 providing the service. The enterprise 589 00:23:08,640 --> 00:23:10,320 funds are are viewed very differently 590 00:23:10,320 --> 00:23:12,640 than the general fund. enterprise are 591 00:23:12,640 --> 00:23:14,400 designed to operate much like a business 592 00:23:14,400 --> 00:23:16,960 where you make sure that your your costs 593 00:23:16,960 --> 00:23:20,000 are covered by your revenues. And so, 594 00:23:20,000 --> 00:23:21,919 um, what this model does is it helps us 595 00:23:21,919 --> 00:23:24,559 project out what our revenue needs are 596 00:23:24,559 --> 00:23:27,360 going to be and our and our future costs 597 00:23:27,360 --> 00:23:29,120 to make sure that we're we have a 598 00:23:29,120 --> 00:23:33,520 sustainable long-term plan. Um and so 599 00:23:33,520 --> 00:23:35,440 the the black line that you can see 600 00:23:35,440 --> 00:23:38,240 running through um that is our cash 601 00:23:38,240 --> 00:23:40,880 position and so kind of our fund balance 602 00:23:40,880 --> 00:23:47,600 if you will. We want to make sure that stays positive of course. So the there's two graphs there. The bottom 603 00:23:47,600 --> 00:23:49,840 one just shows if we we did nothing and 604 00:23:49,840 --> 00:23:51,520 you can see that over the next several 605 00:23:51,520 --> 00:23:53,840 years we'd see our our cash position go 606 00:23:53,840 --> 00:23:58,080 to zero and beyond. And so, um, what 607 00:23:58,080 --> 00:24:01,200 we're proposing here is a, uh, 5% 608 00:24:01,200 --> 00:24:03,679 increase to our rates, our power rates 609 00:24:03,679 --> 00:24:06,320 to ensure that we can cover those future 610 00:24:06,320 --> 00:24:09,280 costs and continue to be sustainable. 611 00:24:09,280 --> 00:24:11,840 Um, 612 00:24:11,840 --> 00:24:13,600 I think maybe we'll just jump to the 613 00:24:13,600 --> 00:24:14,799 next slide because it breaks down more 614 00:24:14,799 --> 00:24:19,830 of what this is about. Um 615 00:24:19,840 --> 00:24:24,240 so you can see that a 5% um increase to 616 00:24:24,240 --> 00:24:25,679 power rates would generate about 617 00:24:25,679 --> 00:24:28,000 $1,49,000. 618 00:24:28,000 --> 00:24:31,360 Um but we would still be required to use 619 00:24:31,360 --> 00:24:33,440 about $738,000 620 00:24:33,440 --> 00:24:36,480 of fund balance in addition to that um 621 00:24:36,480 --> 00:24:39,600 new revenue. So this isn't really this 622 00:24:39,600 --> 00:24:43,120 is really in a way just a um survival 623 00:24:43,120 --> 00:24:44,960 mode. It's not we're not trying to pad, 624 00:24:44,960 --> 00:24:46,960 you know, the the fund balance. Again, 625 00:24:46,960 --> 00:24:49,440 we're using 730,000 626 00:24:49,440 --> 00:24:52,720 $38,000 of fund balance as part of this. 627 00:24:52,720 --> 00:24:55,919 Uh this is just a way to sustainably 628 00:24:55,919 --> 00:24:58,400 keep that that revenue where it needs to 629 00:24:58,400 --> 00:25:00,480 be to ensure that we can we can continue 630 00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:02,400 to invest in our infrastructure. And so 631 00:25:02,400 --> 00:25:04,320 what's what's driving the the cost 632 00:25:04,320 --> 00:25:07,120 increases here? Um 633 00:25:07,120 --> 00:25:08,240 I don't know, Brian, do you want to kind 634 00:25:08,240 --> 00:25:10,480 of go down that list and explain some of 635 00:25:10,480 --> 00:25:11,679 those projects? 636 00:25:11,679 --> 00:25:13,440 >> Yeah. 637 00:25:13,440 --> 00:25:19,760 So, the the first one, the direct berry, outdated wire. Um, 638 00:25:19,760 --> 00:25:24,159 we've got we've got uh several places 639 00:25:24,159 --> 00:25:25,520 throughout the city where the wire is 640 00:25:25,520 --> 00:25:28,400 direct, meaning it's not in conduit. The 641 00:25:28,400 --> 00:25:30,559 wire is rated for 50 years. It's been in 642 00:25:30,559 --> 00:25:33,919 the ground for over 60. Um, and we're 643 00:25:33,919 --> 00:25:35,279 just starting to experience a lot of 644 00:25:35,279 --> 00:25:38,799 burnups, a lot of issues. It's so we're 645 00:25:38,799 --> 00:25:42,799 just uh starting that process. We're just about to wrap up the second 646 00:25:42,799 --> 00:25:46,559 section of the city that's uh 2400 uh 647 00:25:46,559 --> 00:25:48,720 system. So, the whole city will then be 648 00:25:48,720 --> 00:25:52,799 a more efficient uh 7200 volt system. 649 00:25:52,799 --> 00:25:55,840 >> Um we should be wrapping that up here in 650 00:25:55,840 --> 00:25:58,799 the next uh month or two to to finish 651 00:25:58,799 --> 00:26:01,600 that. Uh we have a boring contractor 652 00:26:01,600 --> 00:26:04,000 that we're that we're using right now 653 00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:06,720 for all of it. But the the 400 that 400k 654 00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:09,039 there is just going to be the beginning 655 00:26:09,039 --> 00:26:11,760 stages of taking all of the direct berry 656 00:26:11,760 --> 00:26:13,760 wire that we have in our city. We're 657 00:26:13,760 --> 00:26:16,000 starting with all the trouble areas 658 00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:19,520 first. Um just north of the botanical 659 00:26:19,520 --> 00:26:23,279 garden. There's uh we had uh five or six 660 00:26:23,279 --> 00:26:25,919 burnups in the same neighborhood last 661 00:26:25,919 --> 00:26:28,640 year. Um, so we're we're hoping to hit 662 00:26:28,640 --> 00:26:30,080 that neighborhood first so that this 663 00:26:30,080 --> 00:26:32,320 year maybe they can catch a break and 664 00:26:32,320 --> 00:26:35,279 not have uh several more. Uh, the 665 00:26:35,279 --> 00:26:38,080 reconductoring old old overhead wire. 666 00:26:38,080 --> 00:26:39,919 Uh, that's part of this the capital plan 667 00:26:39,919 --> 00:26:42,400 that we have uh that was part of the uh 668 00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:45,840 survey that was done back in 2019. 669 00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:49,279 Um, just uh upsizing some of our main fe 670 00:26:49,279 --> 00:26:51,919 main feeder lines between substations. 671 00:26:51,919 --> 00:26:53,919 Now that we have uh the ability to have 672 00:26:53,919 --> 00:26:55,520 more capacity in the shik sub and the 673 00:26:55,520 --> 00:26:59,039 burden substation, we now we now uh 674 00:26:59,039 --> 00:27:02,159 definitely need to entertain uh those 675 00:27:02,159 --> 00:27:03,760 main connector feeders between 676 00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:06,320 substations and upsize that that 677 00:27:06,320 --> 00:27:07,840 conductor. 678 00:27:07,840 --> 00:27:10,159 Um a battery control house, the west 679 00:27:10,159 --> 00:27:11,679 substation. 680 00:27:11,679 --> 00:27:14,159 Uh that one's not necessarily super 681 00:27:14,159 --> 00:27:16,080 pressing or or an emergency. The 682 00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:18,640 substation's operating just fine, but it 683 00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:20,400 does not have a control house. It's the 684 00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:22,480 only one we that we have the only 685 00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:24,240 substation that we have that does not 686 00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:30,000 have a control house or a battery uh uh system to make it so that 687 00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:33,600 we can operate and and uh use the 688 00:27:33,600 --> 00:27:35,279 controls within the substation if there 689 00:27:35,279 --> 00:27:39,279 if we lose substation power. Um 690 00:27:39,279 --> 00:27:41,440 the uh the op center we we kind of 691 00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:43,840 already talked about that earlier in 692 00:27:43,840 --> 00:27:46,880 this uh budget meeting. And then uh the 693 00:27:46,880 --> 00:27:49,360 increase in power purchasing from U amps 694 00:27:49,360 --> 00:27:51,679 that's just a 100k uh buffer that we 695 00:27:51,679 --> 00:27:54,720 kind of implemented not not knowing what 696 00:27:54,720 --> 00:27:56,960 uh what the future's going to bring with 697 00:27:56,960 --> 00:27:59,600 EDAM and the rate stabilization and 698 00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:01,279 equalization 699 00:28:01,279 --> 00:28:03,520 um that we have to do every single day 700 00:28:03,520 --> 00:28:06,720 now uh with the uh the new process of 701 00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:09,360 power resource distribut distributions 702 00:28:09,360 --> 00:28:11,440 with Kaiso and EDM. 703 00:28:11,440 --> 00:28:14,320 Um, that right there, just to give you a 704 00:28:14,320 --> 00:28:17,360 heads up, is 705 00:28:17,360 --> 00:28:21,039 it's just a guess. Um, I talked to 706 00:28:21,039 --> 00:28:24,640 probably 15 different uh cities uh over 707 00:28:24,640 --> 00:28:26,960 the course of the last 708 00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:28,880 I don't know, couple months. Uh, there 709 00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:30,640 was one city that made the comment to 710 00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:32,799 me, I have no clue what to do, so I just 711 00:28:32,799 --> 00:28:34,559 put a million dollars in there. Better 712 00:28:34,559 --> 00:28:38,159 be over than under. So, and I I don't 713 00:28:38,159 --> 00:28:41,440 feel that that was the answer. Um, but 714 00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:43,360 after talking to several different uh 715 00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:44,960 directors and several different power 716 00:28:44,960 --> 00:28:47,120 departments and running a bunch of 717 00:28:47,120 --> 00:28:51,200 numbers and and looking into how uh EDAM 718 00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:53,200 has worked for other organizations that 719 00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:56,399 have now been in EDM for several years, 720 00:28:56,399 --> 00:28:58,880 I felt like that 100K was a very 721 00:28:58,880 --> 00:29:01,919 reasonable and and good figure to to put 722 00:29:01,919 --> 00:29:03,679 in there. So, 723 00:29:03,679 --> 00:29:06,000 >> Brian, I have a question for you. Yeah. 724 00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:09,120 >> If now's an okay time of those projects, 725 00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:11,360 which projects are currently in process 726 00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:13,840 and which projects are planned? 727 00:29:13,840 --> 00:29:16,399 >> Yeah. So, the direct berry outdated wire 728 00:29:16,399 --> 00:29:18,880 for the boring that's that's in process. 729 00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:19,279 Okay. 730 00:29:19,279 --> 00:29:22,720 >> We we've already allocated uh money last 731 00:29:22,720 --> 00:29:25,440 year to to start this. We've already 732 00:29:25,440 --> 00:29:27,760 started uh or almost completed two 733 00:29:27,760 --> 00:29:29,440 sections of town of the town. We're 734 00:29:29,440 --> 00:29:31,520 about to start the third section uh here 735 00:29:31,520 --> 00:29:34,720 in about two weeks. And uh we've already 736 00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:37,679 awarded a contractor uh to to to do 737 00:29:37,679 --> 00:29:41,520 that. Um the reconductor old overhead 738 00:29:41,520 --> 00:29:43,919 wire, we we're always doing that. We're 739 00:29:43,919 --> 00:29:46,640 constantly doing that. Um just when we 740 00:29:46,640 --> 00:29:48,320 do when we're doing rebuilds where we 741 00:29:48,320 --> 00:29:50,159 can, we'll reconductor. 742 00:29:50,159 --> 00:29:52,399 >> Um that's 743 00:29:52,399 --> 00:29:58,720 the what we've done up till now. um is mainly just the regular rebuild 744 00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:00,799 maintenance type stuff that we put in 745 00:30:00,799 --> 00:30:03,039 part of the 630 746 00:30:03,039 --> 00:30:06,159 um code that is part of our every every 747 00:30:06,159 --> 00:30:08,559 year budget. This is a this is kind of 748 00:30:08,559 --> 00:30:11,279 new a little bit more additional. 749 00:30:11,279 --> 00:30:13,039 Uh the battery control house in the west 750 00:30:13,039 --> 00:30:15,600 substation is is completely new. That 751 00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:20,240 would be a um an item that is is 752 00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:23,120 completely brand new. Um the concrete 753 00:30:23,120 --> 00:30:24,880 fence around Burton Lane substation, I 754 00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:27,520 didn't touch on that one. Um that would 755 00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:29,600 be completely new as well, but as you 756 00:30:29,600 --> 00:30:32,799 guys are aware, the vinyl fence uh down 757 00:30:32,799 --> 00:30:35,600 there, the last time the last time that 758 00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:37,760 uh Cole's crew had that completely 759 00:30:37,760 --> 00:30:40,000 repaired, the very next day, there were 760 00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:41,520 several sections that were knocked out 761 00:30:41,520 --> 00:30:43,440 of it. Um if you go down there right 762 00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:45,760 now, you can see it's just a complete 763 00:30:45,760 --> 00:30:46,320 >> mess. 764 00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:48,159 >> Just a complete mess. And it happens 765 00:30:48,159 --> 00:30:51,039 within a week or two after putting 766 00:30:51,039 --> 00:30:53,440 thousands, you know, 7 $8,000 into 767 00:30:53,440 --> 00:30:54,320 rebuilding it. 768 00:30:54,320 --> 00:30:55,840 >> And it's not wind related. 769 00:30:55,840 --> 00:30:57,840 >> Yes. And it's not wind related. It's 770 00:30:57,840 --> 00:31:01,840 this is all all uh kids and uh 771 00:31:01,840 --> 00:31:04,799 destruction. So um we just feel that uh 772 00:31:04,799 --> 00:31:08,399 a really nice um concrete fence down 773 00:31:08,399 --> 00:31:11,039 there that that would last, you know, 774 00:31:11,039 --> 00:31:13,039 years and years would be would be 775 00:31:13,039 --> 00:31:14,480 appropriate. We do understand that we 776 00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:16,960 would be trading probably, you know, 777 00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:19,200 ripped down fence with with graffiti 778 00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:21,840 that would have to be addressed um and 779 00:31:21,840 --> 00:31:24,880 cleaned or or repainted, but uh the cost 780 00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:26,960 difference would in the long run would 781 00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:30,320 we feel like would be advantageous. So, 782 00:31:30,320 --> 00:31:34,000 >> okay, I have a question. Yeah, 783 00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:35,520 >> I don't know when the council gets asked 784 00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:40,240 questions, but uh Okay, so a 5% tax 785 00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:41,840 increase now would mean we have done a 786 00:31:41,840 --> 00:31:44,000 20% tax increase in power in the last 787 00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:46,799 year and a half. We did it originally uh 788 00:31:46,799 --> 00:31:49,120 we were supposed to do a a five and a 789 00:31:49,120 --> 00:31:50,960 five, but we did a five and a 10 and now 790 00:31:50,960 --> 00:31:53,760 a five. And I'm trying to figure out 791 00:31:53,760 --> 00:31:57,039 with the 15% tax increase or increase 792 00:31:57,039 --> 00:31:58,799 power, not tax, power increases we've 793 00:31:58,799 --> 00:32:02,240 got to get the 22, how have we spent 2 794 00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:04,399 million and more additional dollars in 795 00:32:04,399 --> 00:32:06,320 this year? That's what I'm having a hard 796 00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:07,840 time with because we already have money 797 00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:09,519 budgeted for maintenance. We already 798 00:32:09,519 --> 00:32:12,559 have money for projects, but somehow 799 00:32:12,559 --> 00:32:14,880 we've managed to increase it almost $2 800 00:32:14,880 --> 00:32:17,679 million when we've already done 15% 801 00:32:17,679 --> 00:32:20,480 increase. That's my question. 802 00:32:20,480 --> 00:32:24,000 Is there are we just are 803 00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:27,120 >> are we doing more than we need to do 804 00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:30,480 because it's just we're just 805 00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:32,399 >> and I guess piggy back on that 806 00:32:32,399 --> 00:32:33,200 >> beat people up. 807 00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:34,799 >> How many of these projects could be 808 00:32:34,799 --> 00:32:36,880 postponed? I realize that fence at 809 00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:39,039 Burton looks like garbage. I live right 810 00:32:39,039 --> 00:32:41,360 there. It does look like like garbage if 811 00:32:41,360 --> 00:32:44,080 we can't electrify it. 812 00:32:44,080 --> 00:32:45,760 I'm just kidding. We wouldn't really do 813 00:32:45,760 --> 00:32:48,080 that. That that was bad. Just kidding. 814 00:32:48,080 --> 00:32:50,880 Um, but I mean it's going to just keep 815 00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:54,799 happening. So, how much could be delayed 816 00:32:54,799 --> 00:32:58,799 of those projects to it gets 817 00:32:58,799 --> 00:33:00,960 because you said they're new. The 250 818 00:33:00,960 --> 00:33:03,360 reconductor is new. Battery controls new 819 00:33:03,360 --> 00:33:05,440 concrete fence would be new. OPC center, 820 00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:07,200 you we didn't let you get through those 821 00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:08,799 two 822 00:33:08,799 --> 00:33:09,760 >> or maybe you did. 823 00:33:09,760 --> 00:33:12,080 >> I guess my question more so is is what 824 00:33:12,080 --> 00:33:14,000 happened to the 15% increase? Where did 825 00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:16,399 it all go? And why is it necessary to do 826 00:33:16,399 --> 00:33:18,480 another five? and how come the budgets 827 00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:21,200 increased another $2 million? That's my 828 00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:21,600 question. 829 00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:24,240 >> So, part of that budget gap includes 830 00:33:24,240 --> 00:33:26,559 fund balance and for fiscal year 26 we 831 00:33:26,559 --> 00:33:29,919 budgeted um 1.3 million of fund balance 832 00:33:29,919 --> 00:33:31,519 use. So, 833 00:33:31,519 --> 00:33:32,559 >> electric only 834 00:33:32,559 --> 00:33:34,399 >> for electric. 835 00:33:34,399 --> 00:33:36,240 So, we're use we're trying to budget 836 00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:39,519 half of the fund balance for fiscal 27 837 00:33:39,519 --> 00:33:42,159 that we used for fiscal 26. So, that's 838 00:33:42,159 --> 00:33:43,519 part of needing another increase. 839 00:33:43,519 --> 00:33:46,640 Shouldn't we be getting caught up before 840 00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:48,000 we start doing a whole bunch of 841 00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:50,240 additional things instead of using fund 842 00:33:50,240 --> 00:33:54,159 balance? And and I know you say eam you put $100,000 in to increase the 843 00:33:54,159 --> 00:33:55,440 power and you asked, but don't we 844 00:33:55,440 --> 00:33:57,760 already have $2 million in there that we 845 00:33:57,760 --> 00:34:00,480 keep in reserve to help for these types 846 00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:03,840 of things um that we already have 847 00:34:03,840 --> 00:34:08,639 >> in our fund there. Uh so yeah, I just uh 848 00:34:08,639 --> 00:34:12,000 I can't speak for power, but I I would 849 00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:14,320 think that we're in a similar situation 850 00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:17,919 with things like water and storm water. 851 00:34:17,919 --> 00:34:21,440 This isn't a commentary on on Larry or 852 00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:25,119 Gary who were here previous to me and 853 00:34:25,119 --> 00:34:29,119 Brian. Uh, but I've asked myself the 854 00:34:29,119 --> 00:34:30,960 same question like, hey, I look at old 855 00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:33,040 budgets and I look at what they are now 856 00:34:33,040 --> 00:34:35,919 with what we do. And 857 00:34:35,919 --> 00:34:40,159 there's an increase in spending. What is that? Like obviously costs are 858 00:34:40,159 --> 00:34:41,839 more than they used to be. That's part 859 00:34:41,839 --> 00:34:45,119 of it. But I know for water 860 00:34:45,119 --> 00:34:47,359 specifically, 861 00:34:47,359 --> 00:34:49,280 we've taken on a ton of projects that 862 00:34:49,280 --> 00:34:51,359 were like, hey, these would be awesome 863 00:34:51,359 --> 00:34:53,679 projects to do someday, but there's just 864 00:34:53,679 --> 00:34:55,280 no way to make it happen. tank 865 00:34:55,280 --> 00:34:58,480 automation, system upgrades, 866 00:34:58,480 --> 00:35:01,359 state requirements that just, hey, we're 867 00:35:01,359 --> 00:35:02,800 supposed to have our tank set up this 868 00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:05,359 way, but we can't afford it, so we're 869 00:35:05,359 --> 00:35:07,200 just going to do it. We're going to 870 00:35:07,200 --> 00:35:09,040 continue doing what we've been doing. 871 00:35:09,040 --> 00:35:09,440 >> Okay, 872 00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:12,400 >> we've come in and we have we have taken 873 00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:14,880 on a ton of this work. And again, it's 874 00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:17,040 not a commentary on Gary or Larry, but 875 00:35:17,040 --> 00:35:19,839 it's we've got the state that's 876 00:35:19,839 --> 00:35:21,920 breathing down our neck with compliance 877 00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:24,160 things. Uh we've got things that like, 878 00:35:24,160 --> 00:35:26,320 hey, instead of in the middle of the 879 00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:30,240 winter, we need to uh climb down in a a 880 00:35:30,240 --> 00:35:32,480 15 foot vault to turn the water tanks on 881 00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:34,000 and off. We're going to automate these 882 00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:36,800 things. These are millions of dollars 883 00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:40,480 that, you know, we're it'd be nice, but 884 00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:41,599 we're not going to pursue them right 885 00:35:41,599 --> 00:35:42,640 now. We're not going to pursue them 886 00:35:42,640 --> 00:35:43,920 right now. And now we're at the point 887 00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:46,640 where things aren't working anymore. 888 00:35:46,640 --> 00:35:49,359 State requirements are changing and just 889 00:35:49,359 --> 00:35:52,400 like efficiencies. Why? Why would we 890 00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:55,200 continue doing this? This doesn't make 891 00:35:55,200 --> 00:35:59,040 sense. I But that that's what I point to 892 00:35:59,040 --> 00:36:00,400 in in terms of my department 893 00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:01,760 >> and I understand that and that's your 894 00:36:01,760 --> 00:36:03,440 job to come and tell us all these things 895 00:36:03,440 --> 00:36:05,359 that you want and think it make your 896 00:36:05,359 --> 00:36:06,960 operation better. But on the other hand, 897 00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:10,160 I'm representing the 33,000 people who 898 00:36:10,160 --> 00:36:12,079 live in this city who have to pay these 899 00:36:12,079 --> 00:36:15,440 bills who actually already got a 15% 900 00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:17,520 increase in their water last year. 901 00:36:17,520 --> 00:36:18,000 >> Yeah. 902 00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:20,000 >> So, so that's where I'm at. That's where 903 00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:21,760 I'm sitting here for sure. 904 00:36:21,760 --> 00:36:23,520 >> And and and I I think we're on the same 905 00:36:23,520 --> 00:36:25,440 page. I don't think we're diametrically 906 00:36:25,440 --> 00:36:28,320 opposed like but as a staff member and a 907 00:36:28,320 --> 00:36:30,640 resident, even if I was just a staff 908 00:36:30,640 --> 00:36:32,320 member, we're here to serve the 909 00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:33,920 residents of Cisville. And part of that 910 00:36:33,920 --> 00:36:36,160 is we want you to have power. We want 911 00:36:36,160 --> 00:36:39,040 you to have all these other services and 912 00:36:39,040 --> 00:36:41,040 we want them to be as efficient and 913 00:36:41,040 --> 00:36:42,800 equitable as possible. That mission 914 00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:45,359 statement drives what we do every day. 915 00:36:45,359 --> 00:36:48,400 >> Sure. Um, so as we're looking at these 916 00:36:48,400 --> 00:36:52,079 things, uh, you know, Brian substations 917 00:36:52,079 --> 00:36:55,280 transformers previously at like 130% of 918 00:36:55,280 --> 00:36:58,079 capacity, you know, we'll just push it 919 00:36:58,079 --> 00:37:00,240 off, push it off. Brian comes in like, 920 00:37:00,240 --> 00:37:02,480 I'm not comfortable doing that anymore. 921 00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:04,079 And and there's going to be costs that 922 00:37:04,079 --> 00:37:06,400 come with that. Unfortunately, 923 00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:08,240 >> $2 million transformers in the last 924 00:37:08,240 --> 00:37:10,800 couple of years. Y as we took on 925 00:37:10,800 --> 00:37:14,000 specifically last year rate increases, 926 00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:16,000 >> we didn't do the full rate increase of, 927 00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:17,839 hey, what would it take to get to where 928 00:37:17,839 --> 00:37:20,079 we need to be? We didn't do that last 929 00:37:20,079 --> 00:37:23,280 year. Like, what are we comfortable with 930 00:37:23,280 --> 00:37:25,280 placing the financial burden on 931 00:37:25,280 --> 00:37:26,800 residents? 932 00:37:26,800 --> 00:37:28,079 Let's start somewhere. 933 00:37:28,079 --> 00:37:29,920 >> And I and I guess where I'm coming from 934 00:37:29,920 --> 00:37:32,400 as a council member, you need to tell me 935 00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:35,200 where that 15% went. I need to know how 936 00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:37,599 much it generated and where did it go. 937 00:37:37,599 --> 00:37:40,320 Where did your 15% go? Where did it 938 00:37:40,320 --> 00:37:42,480 generate? Where did it go? Why are we 939 00:37:42,480 --> 00:37:44,079 now fight? You know, that's what I need 940 00:37:44,079 --> 00:37:46,079 to know. So that I have to go back and 941 00:37:46,079 --> 00:37:48,320 tell the people I need to increase your 942 00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:51,359 power. Cuz personally, myself, I do 943 00:37:51,359 --> 00:37:54,079 equal pay at Kazville City. My equal pay 944 00:37:54,079 --> 00:37:56,640 last year went up $450. 945 00:37:56,640 --> 00:37:58,320 I would imagine there's only two people 946 00:37:58,320 --> 00:38:00,320 in my house. That's probably pretty 947 00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:02,640 minimal to a lot of people's equal pay 948 00:38:02,640 --> 00:38:05,119 went up last year. That's who I'm 949 00:38:05,119 --> 00:38:08,079 sitting here today representing. And all 950 00:38:08,079 --> 00:38:11,680 I'm seeing so far is this this this this 951 00:38:11,680 --> 00:38:14,400 increase increase. I just don't want to 952 00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:18,240 be known as the council that broke 953 00:38:18,240 --> 00:38:20,400 Caseville City. Yeah. I think I think 954 00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:23,200 our council and and even staff to some 955 00:38:23,200 --> 00:38:26,240 degree is in a difficult position where 956 00:38:26,240 --> 00:38:28,560 I think a lot of these decisions have 957 00:38:28,560 --> 00:38:35,520 previously been like like yeah, we're not going to do it this year. And now that's falling on the current 958 00:38:35,520 --> 00:38:37,040 council to 959 00:38:37,040 --> 00:38:39,520 >> but it's always it's always been that 960 00:38:39,520 --> 00:38:43,760 way Josh. It's always been project 961 00:38:43,760 --> 00:38:45,599 always been that way projects 962 00:38:45,599 --> 00:38:48,240 >> and and now it it's trying to crawl out 963 00:38:48,240 --> 00:38:51,359 of the hole and trying to fix that is is 964 00:38:51,359 --> 00:38:52,320 how I view that. 965 00:38:52,320 --> 00:38:53,920 >> You know we have a difference of opinion 966 00:38:53,920 --> 00:38:56,720 on it's crawling out of the hole. Okay. 967 00:38:56,720 --> 00:38:58,800 I believe we try to provide much more 968 00:38:58,800 --> 00:39:00,560 than we used to try to provide. I think 969 00:39:00,560 --> 00:39:02,400 that we ran lean and so we did things 970 00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:04,880 that were lean. I think there are things 971 00:39:04,880 --> 00:39:06,880 that don't have to be done that can be 972 00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:09,359 put off. I mean, we don't need to have 973 00:39:09,359 --> 00:39:12,079 the best of everything. We just need to 974 00:39:12,079 --> 00:39:14,079 provide a service that's adequate to the 975 00:39:14,079 --> 00:39:15,760 people that they're comfortable paying 976 00:39:15,760 --> 00:39:17,200 for. That's what I 977 00:39:17,200 --> 00:39:19,920 >> Well, and and to add to that, um Josh 978 00:39:19,920 --> 00:39:21,839 and and Brian, it would be really nice 979 00:39:21,839 --> 00:39:23,599 to be able to say, okay, we raised your 980 00:39:23,599 --> 00:39:26,560 power rates 15% this last year. This is 981 00:39:26,560 --> 00:39:29,680 what it did for the city. these are the 982 00:39:29,680 --> 00:39:31,839 projects that it funded so that we can 983 00:39:31,839 --> 00:39:33,839 have a visual to say okay yeah we did 984 00:39:33,839 --> 00:39:35,760 raise your rates and this is where the 985 00:39:35,760 --> 00:39:37,440 money went towards and I realize it's 986 00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:39,359 kind of maybe hard to break it down per 987 00:39:39,359 --> 00:39:42,079 penny but just okay we did this this 988 00:39:42,079 --> 00:39:44,560 many feet of new line in an area that 989 00:39:44,560 --> 00:39:46,560 has complained in Kingclarian because 990 00:39:46,560 --> 00:39:48,720 their power goes out this is what it did 991 00:39:48,720 --> 00:39:51,520 for um public works it it provided 992 00:39:51,520 --> 00:39:53,280 safety it provided we need to be able to 993 00:39:53,280 --> 00:39:55,760 better tell the story instead of just 994 00:39:55,760 --> 00:39:57,920 saying you know what we we raised it at 995 00:39:57,920 --> 00:39:59,760 15% it wasn't enough. So now we're going 996 00:39:59,760 --> 00:40:01,520 to try to raise another 15 because 997 00:40:01,520 --> 00:40:03,920 people are saying, "Well, it I I see no 998 00:40:03,920 --> 00:40:06,079 difference in my household because I 999 00:40:06,079 --> 00:40:08,160 don't know what you do." So if we could 1000 00:40:08,160 --> 00:40:10,240 get better at telling that story, I 1001 00:40:10,240 --> 00:40:12,480 think it would help it would it would 1002 00:40:12,480 --> 00:40:14,079 really help answer these questions when 1003 00:40:14,079 --> 00:40:15,920 we're going to be asked because we are. 1004 00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:18,320 Last year we did we did raises. We 1005 00:40:18,320 --> 00:40:21,119 didn't end up with our tax raise. 1006 00:40:21,119 --> 00:40:23,119 And not one person came to me and said, 1007 00:40:23,119 --> 00:40:25,520 "Gee, thanks so much for raising our 1008 00:40:25,520 --> 00:40:27,680 rates because now my water flows better 1009 00:40:27,680 --> 00:40:31,839 or I have greater greater capacity." 1010 00:40:31,839 --> 00:40:33,760 >> I think it's one of the city's greatest 1011 00:40:33,760 --> 00:40:37,599 like difficulties or or failures is 1012 00:40:37,599 --> 00:40:38,320 >> it was just 1013 00:40:38,320 --> 00:40:41,119 >> how well we we tell the story and share 1014 00:40:41,119 --> 00:40:43,520 the information and educate. 1015 00:40:43,520 --> 00:40:45,040 >> Yes. and we've talked about how we can 1016 00:40:45,040 --> 00:40:47,280 maybe do that better, but I really think 1017 00:40:47,280 --> 00:40:49,520 that will go really far in terms of 1018 00:40:49,520 --> 00:40:51,440 telling the story because we might 1019 00:40:51,440 --> 00:40:53,359 understand these conversations and 1020 00:40:53,359 --> 00:40:55,200 literally there's a lot of it I still 1021 00:40:55,200 --> 00:40:56,560 don't understand. 1022 00:40:56,560 --> 00:40:58,720 >> When you talk about um a concrete fence, 1023 00:40:58,720 --> 00:41:00,319 yes, I can visualize a concrete fence 1024 00:41:00,319 --> 00:41:02,079 and I see all the holes. When you talk 1025 00:41:02,079 --> 00:41:04,960 about a reconductor of an old waterhead 1026 00:41:04,960 --> 00:41:06,960 line wire, 1027 00:41:06,960 --> 00:41:08,160 what does that do for me? I don't even 1028 00:41:08,160 --> 00:41:10,800 know where it's at. So, and I know it's 1029 00:41:10,800 --> 00:41:12,720 more work on staff, but if we are trying 1030 00:41:12,720 --> 00:41:15,520 to tell this story and make our case, we 1031 00:41:15,520 --> 00:41:17,520 have to be more visual about it. Josh 1032 00:41:17,520 --> 00:41:20,400 bringing in pipes was very influential. 1033 00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:21,760 This is what it looks like under the 1034 00:41:21,760 --> 00:41:23,440 ground. And then people thought, oh, 1035 00:41:23,440 --> 00:41:26,319 well, shoot, that's a problem. So, to 1036 00:41:26,319 --> 00:41:28,400 Mike's point, yes, we need to be better 1037 00:41:28,400 --> 00:41:30,319 at doing that. And in order for us to 1038 00:41:30,319 --> 00:41:32,000 get around you and support you, you got 1039 00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:33,839 to provide it for us. And my point too 1040 00:41:33,839 --> 00:41:39,200 is we have already budgeted in 26 25. 1041 00:41:39,200 --> 00:41:41,440 There are line items that already have a 1042 00:41:41,440 --> 00:41:43,440 lot of money in them that we have to be 1043 00:41:43,440 --> 00:41:45,040 able to use. I mean it gets to the point 1044 00:41:45,040 --> 00:41:46,720 where you get so much money in something 1045 00:41:46,720 --> 00:41:48,480 you just don't even have enough people 1046 00:41:48,480 --> 00:41:50,400 to spend it all to do that many 1047 00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:52,480 projects. So then you say, well, we need 1048 00:41:52,480 --> 00:41:53,920 to do more projects, we need more 1049 00:41:53,920 --> 00:41:56,160 people. It just keeps climbing. And 1050 00:41:56,160 --> 00:41:59,040 that's where I'm saying no, let's get 1051 00:41:59,040 --> 00:42:01,599 caught up because I think and I don't 1052 00:42:01,599 --> 00:42:02,880 want to go way off because you want to 1053 00:42:02,880 --> 00:42:04,720 do this presentation cuz I'm actually 1054 00:42:04,720 --> 00:42:06,319 going to ask for another budget session 1055 00:42:06,319 --> 00:42:08,960 with just the council and you and Marin, 1056 00:42:08,960 --> 00:42:12,160 you know, uh, and and Parker so that we 1057 00:42:12,160 --> 00:42:14,240 can actually talk to the council and 1058 00:42:14,240 --> 00:42:16,160 after you do because far pretty much 1059 00:42:16,160 --> 00:42:17,920 we've come to your presentations. We 1060 00:42:17,920 --> 00:42:19,599 really haven't had this is probably the 1061 00:42:19,599 --> 00:42:22,000 most I've talked in the last two 1062 00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:24,960 sessions. Um, but it it it's got to be 1063 00:42:24,960 --> 00:42:26,640 something that we've got to sit down as 1064 00:42:26,640 --> 00:42:28,480 a council and talk and hash this all 1065 00:42:28,480 --> 00:42:30,720 out. And I think it's going to mean that 1066 00:42:30,720 --> 00:42:31,920 we're going to have to schedule another 1067 00:42:31,920 --> 00:42:35,680 work session to just hash it out. Okay. 1068 00:42:35,680 --> 00:42:37,520 So, I don't want to keep going on and 1069 00:42:37,520 --> 00:42:40,560 on, but um 1070 00:42:40,560 --> 00:42:43,040 yeah, just just go ahead. Let's just 1071 00:42:43,040 --> 00:42:44,560 move on. But 1072 00:42:44,560 --> 00:42:47,680 >> so, uh, just building off of the 1073 00:42:47,680 --> 00:42:49,520 comments that were just barely made, uh, 1074 00:42:49,520 --> 00:42:52,480 everybody should have received a, uh, an 1075 00:42:52,480 --> 00:42:56,079 annual report from Stacy, all council 1076 00:42:56,079 --> 00:42:59,200 members and staff, uh, that a lot of the 1077 00:42:59,200 --> 00:43:00,319 questions that you just barely and 1078 00:43:00,319 --> 00:43:02,160 statements you just barely made, if you 1079 00:43:02,160 --> 00:43:04,400 will refer to that annual report that 1080 00:43:04,400 --> 00:43:06,720 each of you received, you will see a lot 1081 00:43:06,720 --> 00:43:08,640 of the things in there that that we did 1082 00:43:08,640 --> 00:43:11,359 do with the money from last year um, in 1083 00:43:11,359 --> 00:43:14,800 our achievements. um you know the uh the 1084 00:43:14,800 --> 00:43:17,200 reconductoring job of uh Burton Lane on 1085 00:43:17,200 --> 00:43:20,240 a main feeder line. Um I didn't put 1086 00:43:20,240 --> 00:43:22,800 prices on that but uh if you want prices 1087 00:43:22,800 --> 00:43:25,839 I can but that that right there was uh 1088 00:43:25,839 --> 00:43:30,000 probably you know 30 $40,000 just in 1089 00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:34,800 that uh 250 ft of reconductoring 1090 00:43:34,800 --> 00:43:38,400 um that that stretch. Um when we pulled 1091 00:43:38,400 --> 00:43:41,440 that wire out, it would it had melted. 1092 00:43:41,440 --> 00:43:44,720 The three phases had melted together. 1093 00:43:44,720 --> 00:43:47,839 Um and if that had gone another year, it 1094 00:43:47,839 --> 00:43:50,720 would have burned up for sure 100%. 1095 00:43:50,720 --> 00:43:52,720 And uh people would have uh been out of 1096 00:43:52,720 --> 00:43:54,880 power for probably 1097 00:43:54,880 --> 00:43:58,560 18 hours plus for us to be able to get 1098 00:43:58,560 --> 00:44:02,480 that repair made. So um Brian, just a 1099 00:44:02,480 --> 00:44:04,480 quick question. Is a lot of this because 1100 00:44:04,480 --> 00:44:07,920 of adding more to our infrastructure or 1101 00:44:07,920 --> 00:44:10,160 is this just maintenance type stuff? 1102 00:44:10,160 --> 00:44:13,280 >> It's both. Yeah. Um I mean the west 1103 00:44:13,280 --> 00:44:15,280 side, you look at how much it's built. 1104 00:44:15,280 --> 00:44:18,400 Um it's it's done. And when our main 1105 00:44:18,400 --> 00:44:20,560 feeder lines were were initially put in, 1106 00:44:20,560 --> 00:44:24,640 they we've tripled quadrupled capacity 1107 00:44:24,640 --> 00:44:27,839 on those lines. And so a lot of those 1108 00:44:27,839 --> 00:44:29,680 lines have to be unsized. You can tell 1109 00:44:29,680 --> 00:44:31,440 us all these projects you do and they're 1110 00:44:31,440 --> 00:44:32,640 not going to mean a lot to us cuz we 1111 00:44:32,640 --> 00:44:34,240 don't understand what you do out there 1112 00:44:34,240 --> 00:44:36,160 that much. But what I'm most interested 1113 00:44:36,160 --> 00:44:39,119 in is when you did this project, it was 1114 00:44:39,119 --> 00:44:41,200 obviously funded in the budget. So you 1115 00:44:41,200 --> 00:44:43,040 use that. So the next year that your 1116 00:44:43,040 --> 00:44:44,960 budgeted the same amount in that thing 1117 00:44:44,960 --> 00:44:47,599 and so you have other projects. What I 1118 00:44:47,599 --> 00:44:50,079 guess I'm more interested in council is 1119 00:44:50,079 --> 00:44:52,720 we did this in addition to so it cost us 1120 00:44:52,720 --> 00:44:54,960 this much more and it came out of this 1121 00:44:54,960 --> 00:44:57,680 line item of this account and we were 1122 00:44:57,680 --> 00:44:59,839 under in this account. That's what you 1123 00:44:59,839 --> 00:45:01,839 know that's what makes more sense to me. 1124 00:45:01,839 --> 00:45:03,839 You can tell me all the things you went 1125 00:45:03,839 --> 00:45:05,359 out and all the transfer you changed and 1126 00:45:05,359 --> 00:45:08,000 how you placed wire and all that but the 1127 00:45:08,000 --> 00:45:10,640 bottom line is when you did that project 1128 00:45:10,640 --> 00:45:12,800 replacing that wire was it from a line 1129 00:45:12,800 --> 00:45:15,040 item on a budget? Did you spend your 1130 00:45:15,040 --> 00:45:17,280 budget? that will be again there again 1131 00:45:17,280 --> 00:45:18,880 next year and you'll have another 1132 00:45:18,880 --> 00:45:21,119 project that will take its place. That's 1133 00:45:21,119 --> 00:45:23,119 where I'm coming from. 1134 00:45:23,119 --> 00:45:24,960 >> Yeah. Well, we do have a lot of 1135 00:45:24,960 --> 00:45:26,800 additional things that have been 1136 00:45:26,800 --> 00:45:29,040 neglected. Like Josh said, a lot of 1137 00:45:29,040 --> 00:45:30,240 things that have been neglected for 1138 00:45:30,240 --> 00:45:36,560 years and years and years that now are being in addition to. Um, also just 1139 00:45:36,560 --> 00:45:38,480 one more thing I wanted to just kind of 1140 00:45:38,480 --> 00:45:40,560 point out and and you can leave it for 1141 00:45:40,560 --> 00:45:42,720 what it is, but if you remember last 1142 00:45:42,720 --> 00:45:45,599 year when we discussed the increase, 1143 00:45:45,599 --> 00:45:47,520 um, I don't feel that staff was trying 1144 00:45:47,520 --> 00:45:50,079 to hide this year's increase because we 1145 00:45:50,079 --> 00:45:53,359 projected out the next 5 years or 1146 00:45:53,359 --> 00:45:55,680 something like that. And this increase 1147 00:45:55,680 --> 00:45:59,040 was included in last year's projection. 1148 00:45:59,040 --> 00:46:02,079 that when you when you agreed upon last 1149 00:46:02,079 --> 00:46:04,319 year's increase, it was very apparent. 1150 00:46:04,319 --> 00:46:06,960 It was on the screen what what a 1151 00:46:06,960 --> 00:46:14,640 proposal to maintain increased costs for operations and for everything else. 1152 00:46:14,640 --> 00:46:16,400 >> That may mean a lot to you and how you 1153 00:46:16,400 --> 00:46:18,400 see that, but all I see is you put this 1154 00:46:18,400 --> 00:46:20,319 computer thing up here that says if you 1155 00:46:20,319 --> 00:46:22,000 don't increase your fees this much every 1156 00:46:22,000 --> 00:46:23,520 year, your money is going to go like 1157 00:46:23,520 --> 00:46:25,280 this. So to me, that's just not an 1158 00:46:25,280 --> 00:46:27,920 automatic increase. Okay. That might 1159 00:46:27,920 --> 00:46:29,440 mean it to you, but it doesn't mean it 1160 00:46:29,440 --> 00:46:31,680 to me. 1161 00:46:31,680 --> 00:46:34,480 >> It's 1162 00:46:34,480 --> 00:46:36,319 Yeah, I I hear I think I hear what 1163 00:46:36,319 --> 00:46:39,520 you're saying. Um, 1164 00:46:39,520 --> 00:46:42,800 if you look at that, I I know it's hard 1165 00:46:42,800 --> 00:46:44,800 to We could sit here for literally the 1166 00:46:44,800 --> 00:46:46,880 whole day and try to educate on every 1167 00:46:46,880 --> 00:46:48,480 project and why it's needed and things 1168 00:46:48,480 --> 00:46:51,440 like that. Um, but that's that's the 1169 00:46:51,440 --> 00:46:54,000 intent of this model is going to show 1170 00:46:54,000 --> 00:46:56,160 it's no surprise, unfortunately. It's a 1171 00:46:56,160 --> 00:46:58,160 sad reality, but everything is going up. 1172 00:46:58,160 --> 00:47:01,119 When we look at the cost of of power uh 1173 00:47:01,119 --> 00:47:04,400 purchases, the cost of just operations, 1174 00:47:04,400 --> 00:47:07,520 um inflation has been a real killer uh 1175 00:47:07,520 --> 00:47:11,280 especially the last several years. Um 1176 00:47:11,280 --> 00:47:13,680 those those capital projects, I mean, 1177 00:47:13,680 --> 00:47:17,760 the green, you're not seeing any major spikes there. Uh you're seeing a 1178 00:47:17,760 --> 00:47:19,520 relatively I think to your point, Mike, 1179 00:47:19,520 --> 00:47:22,880 it's not like um 1180 00:47:22,880 --> 00:47:24,640 there's but there there is an increase 1181 00:47:24,640 --> 00:47:27,520 there. Um, I think it's primarily driven 1182 00:47:27,520 --> 00:47:30,160 by in just eyeballing it, you can see 1183 00:47:30,160 --> 00:47:32,800 those the dark blue. That's where you're 1184 00:47:32,800 --> 00:47:35,280 kind of seeing I think most of that 1185 00:47:35,280 --> 00:47:37,839 growth, the the cost of 1186 00:47:37,839 --> 00:47:41,040 future power purchases. 1187 00:47:41,040 --> 00:47:43,440 But 1188 00:47:43,440 --> 00:47:45,440 what what we're trying to do as well is 1189 00:47:45,440 --> 00:47:47,359 like Ren kind of said at the beginning 1190 00:47:47,359 --> 00:47:51,200 just plant that tree now because 1191 00:47:51,200 --> 00:47:52,400 we don't want to come back to the 1192 00:47:52,400 --> 00:47:54,800 council and you know a couple years and 1193 00:47:54,800 --> 00:47:56,800 say oh man now we need like a 30% 1194 00:47:56,800 --> 00:47:58,400 increase because we didn't do you know 1195 00:47:58,400 --> 00:48:00,400 last year the last year before that 1196 00:48:00,400 --> 00:48:02,800 trying to just stay on top of that curve 1197 00:48:02,800 --> 00:48:04,240 and and knowing that things are going 1198 00:48:04,240 --> 00:48:05,440 up. But I know what you're saying is 1199 00:48:05,440 --> 00:48:07,200 like help me understand where that 1200 00:48:07,200 --> 00:48:08,640 money's going. Dan, because you know 1201 00:48:08,640 --> 00:48:11,040 they I know Tammy's always said we 1202 00:48:11,040 --> 00:48:12,960 should do truth and taxation every year 1203 00:48:12,960 --> 00:48:15,440 or whatever to look at for inflation, 1204 00:48:15,440 --> 00:48:17,040 but I've been here six years and we've 1205 00:48:17,040 --> 00:48:18,880 done three tax increases. That's pretty 1206 00:48:18,880 --> 00:48:22,000 close to every year. 1207 00:48:22,000 --> 00:48:24,640 >> I I 1208 00:48:24,640 --> 00:48:28,400 sorry you guys did not anticipate my 1209 00:48:28,400 --> 00:48:30,880 mayor having a baby this morning and we 1210 00:48:30,880 --> 00:48:33,440 had to pull it out and 1211 00:48:33,440 --> 00:48:35,280 uh help it nurse and everything like 1212 00:48:35,280 --> 00:48:37,839 that. So, apologize for being late, but 1213 00:48:37,839 --> 00:48:40,800 we have a baby. Um, 1214 00:48:40,800 --> 00:48:45,589 >> this is when you applause. Yeah. 1215 00:48:45,599 --> 00:48:48,000 » So, I'm, you know, I'm not caught up. 1216 00:48:48,000 --> 00:48:50,559 So, tell me if my comment here got out 1217 00:48:50,559 --> 00:48:52,160 of place. One of the thoughts that I've 1218 00:48:52,160 --> 00:48:53,920 been having and I think I expressed this 1219 00:48:53,920 --> 00:48:58,880 to uh Jason Marin the other day was 1220 00:48:58,880 --> 00:49:02,240 uh you know if the if the fire station 1221 00:49:02,240 --> 00:49:05,599 passes on the ballot 1222 00:49:05,599 --> 00:49:08,800 um I think that gives us one of the best 1223 00:49:08,800 --> 00:49:13,920 opportunities to do the largest increase 1224 00:49:13,920 --> 00:49:18,559 that would occur because it would uh you 1225 00:49:18,559 --> 00:49:20,400 know it's like it would it would really 1226 00:49:20,400 --> 00:49:22,079 be ripped ripping the band-aid off. Like 1227 00:49:22,079 --> 00:49:24,079 we were talking about, we were 1228 00:49:24,079 --> 00:49:26,559 discussing that you would do just the 1229 00:49:26,559 --> 00:49:28,640 30% for the building and then the next 1230 00:49:28,640 --> 00:49:31,920 year like 30% for the employees. And I 1231 00:49:31,920 --> 00:49:35,119 was like, no, you do the whole thing. 1232 00:49:35,119 --> 00:49:38,400 You let people see because then you have 1233 00:49:38,400 --> 00:49:42,559 a reason to say like, oh yeah, your your 1234 00:49:42,559 --> 00:49:45,599 taxes went up but because of fire 1235 00:49:45,599 --> 00:49:47,760 station. Otherwise, you're the next year 1236 00:49:47,760 --> 00:49:49,119 you're like, oh, is the fire station 1237 00:49:49,119 --> 00:49:51,680 again? John, I could never do that. And 1238 00:49:51,680 --> 00:49:53,520 the reason I could never vote to do that 1239 00:49:53,520 --> 00:49:55,920 is because people don't get their wages 1240 00:49:55,920 --> 00:49:59,839 increased 30 and 40% at once. They they 1241 00:49:59,839 --> 00:50:02,640 may get it done 15 one year, 15 another 1242 00:50:02,640 --> 00:50:04,880 year, whatever. Five or if they're a 1243 00:50:04,880 --> 00:50:06,480 state employee, they get three. 1244 00:50:06,480 --> 00:50:08,880 >> Yeah. No, I I don't think anybody gets 1245 00:50:08,880 --> 00:50:09,839 70%. 1246 00:50:09,839 --> 00:50:12,960 >> So, I would never look at hitting them 1247 00:50:12,960 --> 00:50:17,119 with what you're talking about all in 1248 00:50:17,119 --> 00:50:19,680 one year. I just couldn't do that. 1249 00:50:19,680 --> 00:50:21,760 >> But the ratios are different. It's not 1250 00:50:21,760 --> 00:50:23,040 like we were talking about this the 1251 00:50:23,040 --> 00:50:25,280 other day, Mike. It's not like like if 1252 00:50:25,280 --> 00:50:29,440 you got uh if you got a 3% increase in 1253 00:50:29,440 --> 00:50:33,760 your $70,000 a year sal $70,000 a year 1254 00:50:33,760 --> 00:50:39,599 salary. That's uh uh $210 1255 00:50:39,599 --> 00:50:43,040 more a month that you're getting. Um, is 1256 00:50:43,040 --> 00:50:45,200 that I mean 200,000 1257 00:50:45,200 --> 00:50:47,599 what you're saying% doesn't mean what he 1258 00:50:47,599 --> 00:50:49,760 says, but the 3% that I'm talking about 1259 00:50:49,760 --> 00:50:52,079 is the part that pays for their gas, 1260 00:50:52,079 --> 00:50:54,240 their food, their kids going to school, 1261 00:50:54,240 --> 00:50:57,440 their clothing, their sho 1262 00:50:57,440 --> 00:50:59,440 and as I I appreciate the conversation. 1263 00:50:59,440 --> 00:51:00,000 I really 1264 00:51:00,000 --> 00:51:02,319 >> Okay. This So anyway, the whole reason I 1265 00:51:02,319 --> 00:51:03,760 was bringing this up, the whole reason I 1266 00:51:03,760 --> 00:51:05,760 was bringing this up is that I'm trying 1267 00:51:05,760 --> 00:51:07,680 to figure out like you're talking about 1268 00:51:07,680 --> 00:51:08,800 this year, 1269 00:51:08,800 --> 00:51:11,599 >> this year's 30 and then it would be 30 1270 00:51:11,599 --> 00:51:14,640 with the with and then another 70 with 1271 00:51:14,640 --> 00:51:17,680 the fire station at the is that I'm 1272 00:51:17,680 --> 00:51:19,520 trying to figure that out. Or if the 30 1273 00:51:19,520 --> 00:51:22,559 that you were talking about included the 1274 00:51:22,559 --> 00:51:25,760 >> We will have a work item on next 1275 00:51:25,760 --> 00:51:27,440 Thursday's Thursday's budget as well on 1276 00:51:27,440 --> 00:51:29,359 the fire station. just might be a good 1277 00:51:29,359 --> 00:51:31,280 time to revisit that discussion. I guess 1278 00:51:31,280 --> 00:51:31,599 my point 1279 00:51:31,599 --> 00:51:33,680 >> I know we got a lot of enterprise funds 1280 00:51:33,680 --> 00:51:36,480 that work through this morning is if 1281 00:51:36,480 --> 00:51:39,839 >> I guess my point is would why 1282 00:51:39,839 --> 00:51:46,720 would it be conducive to if we had to 1283 00:51:46,720 --> 00:51:50,319 delay doing a tax raise this year and 1284 00:51:50,319 --> 00:51:53,839 maybe use different funds and then do do 1285 00:51:53,839 --> 00:51:57,599 the raise at the time of the station. 1286 00:51:57,599 --> 00:52:00,480 like do it all at the same time 1287 00:52:00,480 --> 00:52:02,319 >> and would that make any sense? 1288 00:52:02,319 --> 00:52:04,640 >> That's a huge conversation that I just 1289 00:52:04,640 --> 00:52:05,359 don't know that. 1290 00:52:05,359 --> 00:52:05,599 >> Okay. 1291 00:52:05,599 --> 00:52:06,960 >> I mean, we could have that conversation 1292 00:52:06,960 --> 00:52:07,839 for the next three hours, 1293 00:52:07,839 --> 00:52:08,960 >> but what about 1294 00:52:08,960 --> 00:52:10,559 >> it's it's uh I 1295 00:52:10,559 --> 00:52:12,319 >> What are you talking about right now? 1296 00:52:12,319 --> 00:52:14,400 >> We're talking about enterprise. 1297 00:52:14,400 --> 00:52:15,839 >> Yeah. What you're talking about is 1298 00:52:15,839 --> 00:52:17,760 general fund stuff. 1299 00:52:17,760 --> 00:52:19,040 >> We weren't planning on talking about 1300 00:52:19,040 --> 00:52:21,040 general fund this morning so much, but 1301 00:52:21,040 --> 00:52:22,480 we could certainly schedule another 1302 00:52:22,480 --> 00:52:24,079 meeting to to get into that. 1303 00:52:24,079 --> 00:52:27,280 >> Gotcha. Okay. So Mike's saying you're 1304 00:52:27,280 --> 00:52:28,480 saying you don't want to pass the 1305 00:52:28,480 --> 00:52:32,230 enterprise. 1306 00:52:32,240 --> 00:52:33,839 » Oh, I can catch up. Oh, that would be 1307 00:52:33,839 --> 00:52:35,280 super nice. 1308 00:52:35,280 --> 00:52:36,640 >> But Marin says we're going to talk about 1309 00:52:36,640 --> 00:52:38,880 general fund later after after the 1310 00:52:38,880 --> 00:52:39,359 review 1311 00:52:39,359 --> 00:52:39,680 >> fun, 1312 00:52:39,680 --> 00:52:41,920 >> right? We will circle back to sort of a 1313 00:52:41,920 --> 00:52:43,359 recap on general fun at the end of this 1314 00:52:43,359 --> 00:52:44,640 so we can kind of get into a little bit 1315 00:52:44,640 --> 00:52:46,480 of that and then 1316 00:52:46,480 --> 00:52:48,319 >> again we can we'll we'll plan on 1317 00:52:48,319 --> 00:52:50,000 scheduling this other work session it 1318 00:52:50,000 --> 00:52:53,599 sounds like to dive in agree. Right now 1319 00:52:53,599 --> 00:52:55,760 we're just talking about electric rates. 1320 00:52:55,760 --> 00:52:57,200 So 1321 00:52:57,200 --> 00:52:57,599 >> um 1322 00:52:57,599 --> 00:52:59,599 >> thank you. 1323 00:52:59,599 --> 00:53:03,920 >> So that I guess any any more and Brian's 1324 00:53:03,920 --> 00:53:05,760 got a meeting that I jump out for in a 1325 00:53:05,760 --> 00:53:06,240 little bit. 1326 00:53:06,240 --> 00:53:08,480 >> I'm okay for about 25 more minutes. 1327 00:53:08,480 --> 00:53:10,960 >> So this is the next slide that we talk 1328 00:53:10,960 --> 00:53:13,359 about the tiers and what we do with the 1329 00:53:13,359 --> 00:53:15,599 >> So So our goal here, thanks Marin. Our 1330 00:53:15,599 --> 00:53:20,640 goal here is to minimize the impact to residents. Um, as you can see the 1331 00:53:20,640 --> 00:53:26,630 bottom right corner there. Um, 1332 00:53:26,640 --> 00:53:28,800 » is this a time of usage or just a usage 1333 00:53:28,800 --> 00:53:29,680 in general? 1334 00:53:29,680 --> 00:53:32,240 >> Just just usage. We are not doing time 1335 00:53:32,240 --> 00:53:32,880 of use. 1336 00:53:32,880 --> 00:53:34,720 >> We're not. Doesn't that benefit the city 1337 00:53:34,720 --> 00:53:37,599 to do time of use also? Like if I plug 1338 00:53:37,599 --> 00:53:39,280 in my car and it's the middle of the 1339 00:53:39,280 --> 00:53:41,920 night, that's a better time of use for 1340 00:53:41,920 --> 00:53:44,160 energy efficiency than during the day, 1341 00:53:44,160 --> 00:53:44,559 right? 1342 00:53:44,559 --> 00:53:47,200 >> I I think we are long-term working 1343 00:53:47,200 --> 00:53:49,200 towards time of use. We actually had 1344 00:53:49,200 --> 00:53:53,839 probably dozens of hours of of work on working towards that. 1345 00:53:53,839 --> 00:53:57,440 >> Um, working with uh on our the software 1346 00:53:57,440 --> 00:53:59,839 ends of things and things like that. Um, 1347 00:53:59,839 --> 00:54:02,000 but we're not quite ready to do that 1348 00:54:02,000 --> 00:54:04,640 yet. A lot of cities are are kind of 1349 00:54:04,640 --> 00:54:06,079 working like we are towards that 1350 00:54:06,079 --> 00:54:08,319 eventually and and I think you're right, 1351 00:54:08,319 --> 00:54:10,720 mayor, that that that is something we 1352 00:54:10,720 --> 00:54:13,359 want to do because it'll help curb use 1353 00:54:13,359 --> 00:54:17,359 during the the peak hours of the day. Um 1354 00:54:17,359 --> 00:54:20,400 but but today we're we're just uh 1355 00:54:20,400 --> 00:54:23,280 proposing to do an increase of 25 cents 1356 00:54:23,280 --> 00:54:27,760 to the um the base charge for residents. 1357 00:54:27,760 --> 00:54:30,720 And then really the goal here again is 1358 00:54:30,720 --> 00:54:33,680 to minimize the impact. So 1359 00:54:33,680 --> 00:54:36,000 um most of the the effect is going to be 1360 00:54:36,000 --> 00:54:38,000 felt on on the commercial side which 1361 00:54:38,000 --> 00:54:40,559 will be the next slide. But um 1362 00:54:40,559 --> 00:54:41,760 >> actually maybe we should jump to the 1363 00:54:41,760 --> 00:54:43,680 next slide. Oh, I'll open up. 1364 00:54:43,680 --> 00:54:47,760 >> So, thank you so much. Beautiful 1365 00:54:47,760 --> 00:54:49,200 presentation. 1366 00:54:49,200 --> 00:54:50,000 >> Um, 1367 00:54:50,000 --> 00:54:50,720 >> gorgeous. 1368 00:54:50,720 --> 00:54:52,240 >> Sorry. 1369 00:54:52,240 --> 00:54:55,589 See that? 1370 00:54:55,599 --> 00:54:58,240 » Oh, that is mine. Thank you. 1371 00:54:58,240 --> 00:54:59,359 >> You ought to 1372 00:54:59,359 --> 00:55:01,440 >> try to find that slide that had the the 1373 00:55:01,440 --> 00:55:04,880 impact to the average resident. Oh, 1374 00:55:04,880 --> 00:55:06,400 >> that was on the pre that's the previous 1375 00:55:06,400 --> 00:55:06,800 one. 1376 00:55:06,800 --> 00:55:09,040 >> Oh, thanks. 1377 00:55:09,040 --> 00:55:10,800 These are going to die. 1378 00:55:10,800 --> 00:55:12,319 >> Fine. 1379 00:55:12,319 --> 00:55:14,800 Oh, sorry about that. So, 1380 00:55:14,800 --> 00:55:16,880 I guess one thing we wanted to pointed 1381 00:55:16,880 --> 00:55:18,640 out pointed wanted to point out on this 1382 00:55:18,640 --> 00:55:21,440 slide was that well, we want to get away 1383 00:55:21,440 --> 00:55:23,200 from seasonal charges, a summer and a 1384 00:55:23,200 --> 00:55:25,119 winter rate, and just go to a a straight 1385 00:55:25,119 --> 00:55:27,440 rate across the board just to increase 1386 00:55:27,440 --> 00:55:29,119 predictability. This doesn't really 1387 00:55:29,119 --> 00:55:31,520 change revenue or impact on residents. 1388 00:55:31,520 --> 00:55:34,319 Um you can see that the average resident 1389 00:55:34,319 --> 00:55:38,160 there um pays about $115 1390 00:55:38,160 --> 00:55:41,839 uh in the winter and $11623 1391 00:55:41,839 --> 00:55:43,440 in the summer. And we're just proposing 1392 00:55:43,440 --> 00:55:46,480 kind of a middle rate of 11610 1393 00:55:46,480 --> 00:55:48,480 um year round. And again, this isn't 1394 00:55:48,480 --> 00:55:51,680 about really upping uh rates. It's just 1395 00:55:51,680 --> 00:55:53,280 kind of smoothing it out over the years 1396 00:55:53,280 --> 00:55:54,640 so residents have more predictability 1397 00:55:54,640 --> 00:55:56,720 and trying to remember why what month is 1398 00:55:56,720 --> 00:55:58,319 it? What am I paying this month versus 1399 00:55:58,319 --> 00:56:01,599 last month? So other cities like Doniful 1400 00:56:01,599 --> 00:56:03,599 do this as well and it's just a good way 1401 00:56:03,599 --> 00:56:05,359 to smooth it out for residents. So this 1402 00:56:05,359 --> 00:56:07,359 is a benefit we think to residents to 1403 00:56:07,359 --> 00:56:10,880 smooth it out. Again the the real impact 1404 00:56:10,880 --> 00:56:12,799 uh we're seeing is to the commercial 1405 00:56:12,799 --> 00:56:15,119 side and so going back to the slide. 1406 00:56:15,119 --> 00:56:20,000 Yeah. Um so in the past we we kind of 1407 00:56:20,000 --> 00:56:22,079 dive dove into this and looked at the 1408 00:56:22,079 --> 00:56:23,359 rates in other cities that the 1409 00:56:23,359 --> 00:56:26,319 commercial users are paying. Um, we 1410 00:56:26,319 --> 00:56:28,079 found that case sales rates are really 1411 00:56:28,079 --> 00:56:31,040 low for commercial and high-end users. 1412 00:56:31,040 --> 00:56:33,119 Um, and you know, we've tried to find 1413 00:56:33,119 --> 00:56:34,880 out why that is. Uh, it's our 1414 00:56:34,880 --> 00:56:36,799 understanding that we've tried to keep 1415 00:56:36,799 --> 00:56:38,799 that lower just because we we don't have 1416 00:56:38,799 --> 00:56:40,319 a lot of business and we've tried to 1417 00:56:40,319 --> 00:56:42,960 attract more business. Um, but in 1418 00:56:42,960 --> 00:56:44,240 reality, I don't know that this is 1419 00:56:44,240 --> 00:56:47,280 really moving that needle very much. The 1420 00:56:47,280 --> 00:56:49,359 bottom line is we we don't want the 1421 00:56:49,359 --> 00:56:52,240 residents to be subsidizing 1422 00:56:52,240 --> 00:56:55,440 uh the commercial entities in town. Um, 1423 00:56:55,440 --> 00:56:56,880 and I think that's in effect what's 1424 00:56:56,880 --> 00:57:01,760 happening when we're not charging um the typical rate for the commercial 1425 00:57:01,760 --> 00:57:03,680 users. So when you see those big 1426 00:57:03,680 --> 00:57:05,280 increases like on the top line there, 1427 00:57:05,280 --> 00:57:08,720 22% and 27% 1428 00:57:08,720 --> 00:57:11,440 um those those seem really large, but in 1429 00:57:11,440 --> 00:57:13,040 reality we're just kind of bumping those 1430 00:57:13,040 --> 00:57:15,760 rates up to um where they typically 1431 00:57:15,760 --> 00:57:19,040 would be in other uh cities. And so 1432 00:57:19,040 --> 00:57:21,280 again, most of the brunt of this impact 1433 00:57:21,280 --> 00:57:24,960 u of of that that overall 5% revenue 1434 00:57:24,960 --> 00:57:26,480 increase. When you say 5%, a lot of 1435 00:57:26,480 --> 00:57:27,760 people think, oh, you're raising rates 1436 00:57:27,760 --> 00:57:31,280 5%. No, that's a revenue increase. And 1437 00:57:31,280 --> 00:57:32,960 then we're getting that 5% revenue 1438 00:57:32,960 --> 00:57:34,799 increase by shifting most of this burden 1439 00:57:34,799 --> 00:57:37,200 onto the commercial users, which again 1440 00:57:37,200 --> 00:57:40,160 haven't been paying in my opinion or all 1441 00:57:40,160 --> 00:57:41,440 of our opinions. I think their fair 1442 00:57:41,440 --> 00:57:46,160 share of of the rates. Um 1443 00:57:46,160 --> 00:57:50,400 so with that any any questions? 1444 00:57:50,400 --> 00:57:52,799 >> Uh is this one of the things that you 1445 00:57:52,799 --> 00:57:54,480 have to declare during truth and 1446 00:57:54,480 --> 00:57:55,359 taxation or 1447 00:57:55,359 --> 00:57:56,880 >> No, this isn't related to truth and 1448 00:57:56,880 --> 00:57:58,400 taxation rate change 1449 00:57:58,400 --> 00:58:01,359 >> just a rate change uh for for the 1450 00:58:01,359 --> 00:58:02,960 enterprise. 1451 00:58:02,960 --> 00:58:03,599 >> Does it 1452 00:58:03,599 --> 00:58:05,200 >> it'll be in the tenative budget and then 1453 00:58:05,200 --> 00:58:07,520 in the consolidated fee schedule in 1454 00:58:07,520 --> 00:58:10,160 June. I mean, quite frankly, I don't 1455 00:58:10,160 --> 00:58:12,559 know. Do do commercial does anybody else 1456 00:58:12,559 --> 00:58:14,240 in here own a commercial building? Do 1457 00:58:14,240 --> 00:58:16,720 you pay that close attention to what the 1458 00:58:16,720 --> 00:58:19,280 power bill is? Like, would it be 1459 00:58:19,280 --> 00:58:20,480 >> I do. 1460 00:58:20,480 --> 00:58:22,640 >> Would it be smart to maybe go like a 1461 00:58:22,640 --> 00:58:25,280 little bit higher than what 1462 00:58:25,280 --> 00:58:28,640 uh other cities are doing and 1463 00:58:28,640 --> 00:58:31,280 you know, a supplement? 1464 00:58:31,280 --> 00:58:33,680 >> I think that I think we can justify this 1465 00:58:33,680 --> 00:58:35,839 just as hey, 1466 00:58:35,839 --> 00:58:36,960 you know what I mean? I just think like 1467 00:58:36,960 --> 00:58:38,240 a lot of the times they just pay their 1468 00:58:38,240 --> 00:58:41,040 bill, right? Like it's their tenants pay 1469 00:58:41,040 --> 00:58:44,319 the difference. 1470 00:58:44,319 --> 00:58:44,960 >> Okay. 1471 00:58:44,960 --> 00:58:47,760 >> So the rates will go up on rentals, you 1472 00:58:47,760 --> 00:58:51,040 know, leases because we pass those costs 1473 00:58:51,040 --> 00:58:53,680 along. So So you're just saying pat the 1474 00:58:53,680 --> 00:58:56,319 commercial and then maybe reduce the the 1475 00:58:56,319 --> 00:58:57,359 residential. 1476 00:58:57,359 --> 00:58:59,760 >> I mean 1477 00:58:59,760 --> 00:59:02,400 kind of, but but not in like a negative 1478 00:59:02,400 --> 00:59:04,000 not a negative way. I'm just trying to 1479 00:59:04,000 --> 00:59:06,880 say like if obviously if what the 1480 00:59:06,880 --> 00:59:09,680 average of other cities are there means 1481 00:59:09,680 --> 00:59:11,359 there has to be there has to be a few 1482 00:59:11,359 --> 00:59:12,720 that are higher. 1483 00:59:12,720 --> 00:59:14,799 >> Yeah. I mean downtown Salt Lake would 1484 00:59:14,799 --> 00:59:16,319 definitely probably have higher rates 1485 00:59:16,319 --> 00:59:19,119 than we would have here. 1486 00:59:19,119 --> 00:59:21,760 >> Yeah. Okay. 1487 00:59:21,760 --> 00:59:23,440 >> And so what I what I really wanted to 1488 00:59:23,440 --> 00:59:29,760 stress again is uh that 5% increase is a revenue increase not not a rate 1489 00:59:29,760 --> 00:59:32,079 increase to residents. So the the 1490 00:59:32,079 --> 00:59:34,000 average resident we looked at the 1491 00:59:34,000 --> 00:59:38,799 average power usage in the city and they 1492 00:59:38,799 --> 00:59:41,440 the average resident would see a 31 cent 1493 00:59:41,440 --> 00:59:42,880 increase per month. 1494 00:59:42,880 --> 00:59:44,559 >> Okay. Sorry. 1495 00:59:44,559 --> 00:59:47,280 >> So 31 cents and again most of that 1496 00:59:47,280 --> 00:59:48,799 revenue is coming from other sources 1497 00:59:48,799 --> 00:59:50,720 including kind of hitting the the large 1498 00:59:50,720 --> 00:59:54,640 the higher uh end users and commercial 1499 00:59:54,640 --> 00:59:56,160 bringing them more up to where they 1500 00:59:56,160 --> 00:59:58,079 should be if they were in any other 1501 00:59:58,079 --> 01:00:01,440 city. So um with that we want to move on 1502 01:00:01,440 --> 01:00:05,359 to watering now or any other discussion 1503 01:00:05,359 --> 01:00:08,319 or questions on power. 1504 01:00:08,319 --> 01:00:19,990 Let's move on to water. 1505 01:00:20,000 --> 01:00:22,640 » Can I just say something? 1506 01:00:22,640 --> 01:00:24,559 Um, I just wanted to say after I was 1507 01:00:24,559 --> 01:00:26,400 talking to Brian yesterday about the 1508 01:00:26,400 --> 01:00:29,040 power, I think, um, I do appreciate it's 1509 01:00:29,040 --> 01:00:30,400 one of the areas where I think a lot of 1510 01:00:30,400 --> 01:00:32,400 residents see improvement and I just 1511 01:00:32,400 --> 01:00:33,200 wanted to kind of, I don't know, 1512 01:00:33,200 --> 01:00:34,400 congratulate them on that. It's 1513 01:00:34,400 --> 01:00:35,680 something that I know residents have 1514 01:00:35,680 --> 01:00:37,200 come to me and been like, oh, I mean, 1515 01:00:37,200 --> 01:00:38,400 none of them have been like, it's better 1516 01:00:38,400 --> 01:00:39,920 just no one does that. But, but I've 1517 01:00:39,920 --> 01:00:40,960 gone around and asked them and said, 1518 01:00:40,960 --> 01:00:42,079 hey, do you feel like it's gotten 1519 01:00:42,079 --> 01:00:43,920 better? And they do. So, I think it's 1520 01:00:43,920 --> 01:00:45,680 work that is important that we're doing 1521 01:00:45,680 --> 01:00:47,599 and I agree. Let's try and show it off 1522 01:00:47,599 --> 01:00:49,520 where we can. 1523 01:00:49,520 --> 01:00:50,400 >> Yay. 1524 01:00:50,400 --> 01:00:53,920 >> Thanks. Thanks, Council Rush. Um, and that is just side note, that is 1525 01:00:53,920 --> 01:00:55,680 something we definitely are working on 1526 01:00:55,680 --> 01:00:58,799 trying to tell our story more. Um, well, 1527 01:00:58,799 --> 01:01:00,799 you'll see in the budget later on that 1528 01:01:00,799 --> 01:01:04,240 we want to plan on having a a part-time 1529 01:01:04,240 --> 01:01:05,680 public information officer, which we 1530 01:01:05,680 --> 01:01:07,440 think will be budget neutral. Sorry, 1531 01:01:07,440 --> 01:01:10,559 explain that later. Um, 1532 01:01:10,559 --> 01:01:13,599 all right. So, water. Um, again, this 1533 01:01:13,599 --> 01:01:15,280 model, the top model is what we're 1534 01:01:15,280 --> 01:01:17,440 proposing. The bottom model is what 1535 01:01:17,440 --> 01:01:20,000 happens if nothing happens at all. Um so 1536 01:01:20,000 --> 01:01:23,200 the blue is our is our operating costs. 1537 01:01:23,200 --> 01:01:29,440 Um the light blue is is staff and and operating um materials. 1538 01:01:29,440 --> 01:01:33,040 Um the dark blue line there that you're 1539 01:01:33,040 --> 01:01:35,920 seeing is water purchases. And then the 1540 01:01:35,920 --> 01:01:39,440 green is capital projects. And so the 1541 01:01:39,440 --> 01:01:41,920 total obviously is our total um total 1542 01:01:41,920 --> 01:01:44,960 cost and the orange lines are are our 1543 01:01:44,960 --> 01:01:49,839 revenue. So um we're proposing a five 1544 01:01:49,839 --> 01:01:50,400 20% 1545 01:01:50,400 --> 01:01:54,880 >> sorry 20% uh increase um 1546 01:01:54,880 --> 01:01:55,680 >> in revenue 1547 01:01:55,680 --> 01:01:58,960 >> on revenue and again I want to stress 1548 01:01:58,960 --> 01:02:02,160 20% increase of revenue not 20% increase 1549 01:02:02,160 --> 01:02:04,720 to to the average resident the average 1550 01:02:04,720 --> 01:02:06,400 resident you know going back to that 1551 01:02:06,400 --> 01:02:09,200 bluff statement would see an increase of 1552 01:02:09,200 --> 01:02:14,960 5.2% or $163 per month um 1553 01:02:14,960 --> 01:02:17,359 so maybe next slide this kind of breaks 1554 01:02:17,359 --> 01:02:19,599 down Wait, 1555 01:02:19,599 --> 01:02:21,839 could you go back Jason? Oh, sure. 1556 01:02:21,839 --> 01:02:22,559 >> Back to that slide. 1557 01:02:22,559 --> 01:02:25,520 >> So, upper left hand corner 15% 28 until 1558 01:02:25,520 --> 01:02:28,480 20. That's projecting that will get us 1559 01:02:28,480 --> 01:02:31,520 to 2028 2030 time frame. Is that what 1560 01:02:31,520 --> 01:02:32,880 it's saying? 1561 01:02:32,880 --> 01:02:36,079 >> Yeah. So we'll need to do a 15% increase 1562 01:02:36,079 --> 01:02:39,040 next fiscal year until fiscal year 30 1563 01:02:39,040 --> 01:02:42,710 and then 10% 1564 01:02:42,720 --> 01:02:43,680 graph of 1565 01:02:43,680 --> 01:02:45,760 >> how it looks 1566 01:02:45,760 --> 01:02:48,240 that council Jackson. Thanks for 1567 01:02:48,240 --> 01:02:50,160 pointing that looking at that out. Yeah, 1568 01:02:50,160 --> 01:02:52,160 make sure that's clear. Those orange 1569 01:02:52,160 --> 01:02:54,880 bars are future revenue. So we're 1570 01:02:54,880 --> 01:02:57,440 projecting in order to be able to meet 1571 01:02:57,440 --> 01:02:59,760 the future costs of maintaining the 1572 01:02:59,760 --> 01:03:02,160 water system. Those are the projected 1573 01:03:02,160 --> 01:03:03,680 revenue increases that we would be 1574 01:03:03,680 --> 01:03:06,319 looking at. Um, and this is just to try 1575 01:03:06,319 --> 01:03:08,160 to be transparent and what what those 1576 01:03:08,160 --> 01:03:11,040 cost projections look like. Um, 1577 01:03:11,040 --> 01:03:12,720 obviously 1578 01:03:12,720 --> 01:03:15,440 as Josh has explained in prior meetings 1579 01:03:15,440 --> 01:03:18,000 that there's a great need in being able 1580 01:03:18,000 --> 01:03:22,160 to maintain our system. Um, as as we've 1581 01:03:22,160 --> 01:03:23,599 all heard many times, we're we're 1582 01:03:23,599 --> 01:03:25,520 repairing literally hundreds of water 1583 01:03:25,520 --> 01:03:30,559 leaks every year. Um, we've got corroded 1584 01:03:30,559 --> 01:03:32,960 uh ductal iron pipe throughout the city. 1585 01:03:32,960 --> 01:03:34,480 We don't know how long a lot of that's 1586 01:03:34,480 --> 01:03:37,680 going to last. We've got new capacity 1587 01:03:37,680 --> 01:03:40,240 issues. You know, a new water tank um 1588 01:03:40,240 --> 01:03:43,680 major cost increase uh or cost for that 1589 01:03:43,680 --> 01:03:46,160 coming up in a few years. So, this 1590 01:03:46,160 --> 01:03:49,119 infrastructure is is super expensive as 1591 01:03:49,119 --> 01:03:51,599 we know. But I think this goes back to 1592 01:03:51,599 --> 01:03:54,000 the story, you know, thing is we need to 1593 01:03:54,000 --> 01:03:56,559 be telling this story. Most residents, 1594 01:03:56,559 --> 01:03:58,640 you know, like myself, we turn on we 1595 01:03:58,640 --> 01:04:00,400 turn the tap and the and the clean water 1596 01:04:00,400 --> 01:04:02,640 comes out. We don't stop to think that 1597 01:04:02,640 --> 01:04:06,720 literally every single day there are people out there doing tests 1598 01:04:06,720 --> 01:04:08,319 on that water to make sure that it's 1599 01:04:08,319 --> 01:04:09,680 safe, that it's, you know, the right 1600 01:04:09,680 --> 01:04:10,799 chlorination, that we don't have 1601 01:04:10,799 --> 01:04:13,119 bacteria, that um that we're out there 1602 01:04:13,119 --> 01:04:16,000 repairing lights um and and all these 1603 01:04:16,000 --> 01:04:17,039 different things that are making sure 1604 01:04:17,039 --> 01:04:18,799 that this continues to be a safe and 1605 01:04:18,799 --> 01:04:20,799 reliable resource that that our 1606 01:04:20,799 --> 01:04:23,839 residents obviously highly depend on. 1607 01:04:23,839 --> 01:04:26,640 Um, so, uh, Jason, 1608 01:04:26,640 --> 01:04:27,920 >> yes, real quick, 1609 01:04:27,920 --> 01:04:30,640 >> when we discussed this in council and 1610 01:04:30,640 --> 01:04:33,039 the the rate increases, I think it would 1611 01:04:33,039 --> 01:04:34,880 be helpful to have it spelled out a 1612 01:04:34,880 --> 01:04:36,559 little more clearly what's on the upper 1613 01:04:36,559 --> 01:04:39,520 leftand corner and compared to the graph 1614 01:04:39,520 --> 01:04:41,440 um, year by year. Okay? 1615 01:04:41,440 --> 01:04:44,079 >> And so when we're sitting in council 1616 01:04:44,079 --> 01:04:46,559 speaking to the public, we can make a 1617 01:04:46,559 --> 01:04:48,400 direct correlation between that 1618 01:04:48,400 --> 01:04:50,720 information and the graph. I think it 1619 01:04:50,720 --> 01:04:54,400 will help explain that to the public why 1620 01:04:54,400 --> 01:04:56,319 we're doing increases year after year, 1621 01:04:56,319 --> 01:04:58,559 every other year to keep this graph 1622 01:04:58,559 --> 01:05:00,480 afloat. Just a little more information 1623 01:05:00,480 --> 01:05:02,400 and context there would be helpful. 1624 01:05:02,400 --> 01:05:04,880 That's the same for all the rates. 1625 01:05:04,880 --> 01:05:06,480 >> Do you have a dollar amount? What that 1626 01:05:06,480 --> 01:05:09,119 20% increase in water revenue is? 1627 01:05:09,119 --> 01:05:10,960 >> I think you said a$163. 1628 01:05:10,960 --> 01:05:12,640 >> No. What's a dollar amount? How much is 1629 01:05:12,640 --> 01:05:13,839 that? 1630 01:05:13,839 --> 01:05:14,480 >> Oh, 1631 01:05:14,480 --> 01:05:15,920 >> right there. 1632 01:05:15,920 --> 01:05:18,960 >> 842. 1633 01:05:18,960 --> 01:05:20,480 42,000. 1634 01:05:20,480 --> 01:05:22,480 >> So, similar to the power, you know, 1635 01:05:22,480 --> 01:05:25,119 we're we're still using fund balance. 1636 01:05:25,119 --> 01:05:27,920 Um, this isn't this is more or less just 1637 01:05:27,920 --> 01:05:30,079 kind of surviving or keep keeping on top 1638 01:05:30,079 --> 01:05:33,280 of that curve, not uh not really adding 1639 01:05:33,280 --> 01:05:37,599 to the fund balance here. Just 1640 01:05:37,599 --> 01:05:39,280 still still using some of that fund 1641 01:05:39,280 --> 01:05:40,559 balance in order to help keep those 1642 01:05:40,559 --> 01:05:43,119 rates uh as low as we can. 1643 01:05:43,119 --> 01:05:47,039 So basically the 27 budget is an 1644 01:05:47,039 --> 01:05:50,640 increase of $1.2 million. 1645 01:05:50,640 --> 01:05:54,000 >> That's correct. 1.2 million. And and 1646 01:05:54,000 --> 01:05:56,160 again the the the effect of the average 1647 01:05:56,160 --> 01:06:00,640 resident would be $163 a month um with 1648 01:06:00,640 --> 01:06:03,039 this rate increase. 1649 01:06:03,039 --> 01:06:08,720 Um and and we're all very familiar with the needs of the the water uh 1650 01:06:08,720 --> 01:06:11,440 system, I think. But Josh, do you want 1651 01:06:11,440 --> 01:06:12,880 to go through and kind of talk about 1652 01:06:12,880 --> 01:06:14,480 some of those projects? 1653 01:06:14,480 --> 01:06:16,400 >> Yeah. On the right, 1654 01:06:16,400 --> 01:06:19,680 >> before you go, I just 1655 01:06:19,680 --> 01:06:22,160 >> I see why you're trying to say that it's 1656 01:06:22,160 --> 01:06:25,829 an increase of 1.2. 1657 01:06:25,839 --> 01:06:27,280 » And I don't know how to explain it 1658 01:06:27,280 --> 01:06:29,440 better. So maybe Josh can help me. But 1659 01:06:29,440 --> 01:06:33,680 LA for fiscal year 26, we have 2.2 1660 01:06:33,680 --> 01:06:35,760 million of fund balance budgeted. And 1661 01:06:35,760 --> 01:06:37,520 then for fiscal year 27, we're only 1662 01:06:37,520 --> 01:06:43,029 using 380. So the 1.2 1663 01:06:43,039 --> 01:06:45,359 I just I see what you're trying to say 1664 01:06:45,359 --> 01:06:47,520 that we're increasing the budget by 1.2, 1665 01:06:47,520 --> 01:06:51,039 but it's that's before fund balance use. 1666 01:06:51,039 --> 01:06:53,520 So last year I don't know I don't know 1667 01:06:53,520 --> 01:06:54,960 what I'm trying to explain. 1668 01:06:54,960 --> 01:06:56,240 >> I just don't think that's the true 1669 01:06:56,240 --> 01:06:56,640 story. 1670 01:06:56,640 --> 01:06:58,319 >> The other thing I'm struggling with it. 1671 01:06:58,319 --> 01:07:00,319 So how many water meters are there, 1672 01:07:00,319 --> 01:07:01,599 Josh? 1673 01:07:01,599 --> 01:07:04,160 >> Uh about 9600. 1674 01:07:04,160 --> 01:07:07,039 >> 9600. And you said it's how much a 1675 01:07:07,039 --> 01:07:13,670 month? $163 1676 01:07:13,680 --> 01:07:15,680 » and and our water meters are metered, 1677 01:07:15,680 --> 01:07:16,559 right? 1678 01:07:16,559 --> 01:07:17,039 >> So we 1679 01:07:17,039 --> 01:07:20,640 >> drinking water generates $187,000. 1680 01:07:20,640 --> 01:07:22,079 >> So I think you're jumping ahead. We're 1681 01:07:22,079 --> 01:07:23,760 going to explain some of this. This goes 1682 01:07:23,760 --> 01:07:26,319 back to minimizing the impact on 1683 01:07:26,319 --> 01:07:28,799 residents and and putting more of that 1684 01:07:28,799 --> 01:07:31,599 cost on commercial which like power. 1685 01:07:31,599 --> 01:07:33,440 We've been undercharging our commercial 1686 01:07:33,440 --> 01:07:36,000 businesses. if you look at what people 1687 01:07:36,000 --> 01:07:39,359 are paying in other cities. Um, so we 1688 01:07:39,359 --> 01:07:42,079 want to make sure that we're right right 1689 01:07:42,079 --> 01:07:44,880 sizing or what those rates and and not 1690 01:07:44,880 --> 01:07:46,880 subsidizing or having the residents 1691 01:07:46,880 --> 01:07:48,720 subsidize businesses is really what I 1692 01:07:48,720 --> 01:07:52,720 think has been happening um in effect. 1693 01:07:52,720 --> 01:07:55,680 So um so again we keep on saying it but 1694 01:07:55,680 --> 01:07:57,839 when we talk about that revenue increase 1695 01:07:57,839 --> 01:08:00,160 of x% is a revenue increase that's not a 1696 01:08:00,160 --> 01:08:03,039 rate increase. So that's why we're able 1697 01:08:03,039 --> 01:08:05,920 to keep the rate of $163 a month for 1698 01:08:05,920 --> 01:08:09,200 residents. Um but still see an overall 1699 01:08:09,200 --> 01:08:12,960 revenue increase of of a lot more. Um 1700 01:08:12,960 --> 01:08:15,119 okay that I guess Josh you want to go 1701 01:08:15,119 --> 01:08:17,279 through the what's new side and kind of 1702 01:08:17,279 --> 01:08:18,640 explain some of those projects? 1703 01:08:18,640 --> 01:08:22,480 >> Yeah. So obviously uh we're on the the 1704 01:08:22,480 --> 01:08:24,880 tail end or the last half of the 200 1705 01:08:24,880 --> 01:08:28,560 north project. Uh that's about two miles 1706 01:08:28,560 --> 01:08:31,839 of underground water line and services. 1707 01:08:31,839 --> 01:08:35,040 Um this last Monday we just started uh 1708 01:08:35,040 --> 01:08:38,400 the replacement project on King's Court 1709 01:08:38,400 --> 01:08:42,000 and Bishops uh down on the west side. Uh 1710 01:08:42,000 --> 01:08:44,480 that's a a system that's not extremely 1711 01:08:44,480 --> 01:08:47,600 old, but has had uh probably a dozen or 1712 01:08:47,600 --> 01:08:50,719 more leaks uh in a pretty small area 1713 01:08:50,719 --> 01:08:54,319 within the last few years. 1714 01:08:54,319 --> 01:08:57,359 um the bulk loading station. Uh we 1715 01:08:57,359 --> 01:09:01,839 purchased equipment 3 years ago to build 1716 01:09:01,839 --> 01:09:05,839 um a location where contractors 1717 01:09:05,839 --> 01:09:08,640 uh can come and fill up like a water 1718 01:09:08,640 --> 01:09:12,239 truck or um if if people have like a 1719 01:09:12,239 --> 01:09:15,600 mobile water tank. Instead of renting 1720 01:09:15,600 --> 01:09:18,799 out fire hydrant meters, we've had to 1721 01:09:18,799 --> 01:09:20,480 utilize the assistance of the police 1722 01:09:20,480 --> 01:09:22,319 department in recent years trying to get 1723 01:09:22,319 --> 01:09:24,319 our water meters back. We've had some 1724 01:09:24,319 --> 01:09:27,120 issues with contractors and residents 1725 01:09:27,120 --> 01:09:30,319 not knowing how to properly operate the 1726 01:09:30,319 --> 01:09:32,080 hydrants when they put a meter on it and 1727 01:09:32,080 --> 01:09:35,600 causing damage. So building this station 1728 01:09:35,600 --> 01:09:38,480 would eliminate the majority of hydrant 1729 01:09:38,480 --> 01:09:40,880 rental or hydrant meter rentals and 1730 01:09:40,880 --> 01:09:42,640 provide a location where somebody can 1731 01:09:42,640 --> 01:09:45,279 drive up, enter their info, get the 1732 01:09:45,279 --> 01:09:47,600 water without having to mess with the 1733 01:09:47,600 --> 01:09:49,199 hydrant. That's something that we'll 1734 01:09:49,199 --> 01:09:50,799 regularly get calls from chief. Hey, 1735 01:09:50,799 --> 01:09:53,440 I've got a guy hooked up to a hydrant 1736 01:09:53,440 --> 01:09:55,600 and finding situations where people are 1737 01:09:55,600 --> 01:09:58,239 taking water where they shouldn't be. So 1738 01:09:58,239 --> 01:10:01,920 >> yeah. um 300 North Coronator right by uh 1739 01:10:01,920 --> 01:10:05,360 Mountainland Supply uh behind Maverick. 1740 01:10:05,360 --> 01:10:07,120 Uh we currently have a little mobile 1741 01:10:07,120 --> 01:10:09,280 trailer. It's like a 6x6 enclosed 1742 01:10:09,280 --> 01:10:12,560 trailer that houses a bunch of pumps and 1743 01:10:12,560 --> 01:10:14,960 a bunch of liquid chlorine that we use 1744 01:10:14,960 --> 01:10:20,239 to um maintain chlorine residuals uh for 1745 01:10:20,239 --> 01:10:25,360 the northwest side of Cisville. Um, we 1746 01:10:25,360 --> 01:10:28,480 are currently working on 1747 01:10:28,480 --> 01:10:31,360 uh finishing design and coordinating 1748 01:10:31,360 --> 01:10:32,880 with the property owner to build a 1749 01:10:32,880 --> 01:10:34,480 permanent structure there similar to 1750 01:10:34,480 --> 01:10:36,560 what you see at the like Burton Lane 1751 01:10:36,560 --> 01:10:40,400 roundabout. Um, where we can we can have 1752 01:10:40,400 --> 01:10:43,360 a more secure site. We can have spill 1753 01:10:43,360 --> 01:10:46,880 containment on the chlorine. Um we we've 1754 01:10:46,880 --> 01:10:49,440 got a couple hundred,000 worth of 1755 01:10:49,440 --> 01:10:51,120 equipment 1756 01:10:51,120 --> 01:10:53,920 um that is currently protected by an 1757 01:10:53,920 --> 01:10:56,560 enclosed trailer and and we just don't 1758 01:10:56,560 --> 01:10:58,960 feel comfortable 1759 01:10:58,960 --> 01:10:59,920 uh with that. 1760 01:10:59,920 --> 01:11:01,679 >> You used to have three. 1761 01:11:01,679 --> 01:11:04,719 >> We used to have five. Uh we have 1762 01:11:04,719 --> 01:11:07,600 replaced four of the trailer sites with 1763 01:11:07,600 --> 01:11:09,040 permanent buildings. 1764 01:11:09,040 --> 01:11:10,400 >> We're done with just 1765 01:11:10,400 --> 01:11:12,239 >> Yep. It's just this one. That's the 1766 01:11:12,239 --> 01:11:12,960 trailer now. 1767 01:11:12,960 --> 01:11:16,400 >> Change your map. Um and then uh the 1768 01:11:16,400 --> 01:11:19,199 117,000 that you see there is uh 1769 01:11:19,199 --> 01:11:32,950 increases from Weber Basin. 1770 01:11:32,960 --> 01:11:35,920 Guess it's um 1771 01:11:35,920 --> 01:11:38,320 want to point out to you that if we're 1772 01:11:38,320 --> 01:11:40,800 talking about the op center um we're 1773 01:11:40,800 --> 01:11:42,560 trying to spread out those costs in a 1774 01:11:42,560 --> 01:11:44,640 way that reduce impact as much as 1775 01:11:44,640 --> 01:11:46,880 possible. Know we've got some big water 1776 01:11:46,880 --> 01:11:49,120 things coming up here. Obviously, we 1777 01:11:49,120 --> 01:11:51,760 wanted to if we do the openter, we would 1778 01:11:51,760 --> 01:11:54,640 postpone um having the ops or sorry, 1779 01:11:54,640 --> 01:11:58,080 having the water fund pay towards the op 1780 01:11:58,080 --> 01:12:00,400 center bond for a couple few years for 1781 01:12:00,400 --> 01:12:03,199 the first three years. Um just kind of 1782 01:12:03,199 --> 01:12:05,120 smoothing out those those payments in a 1783 01:12:05,120 --> 01:12:11,510 way that help us. 1784 01:12:11,520 --> 01:12:13,120 All right, I'm going to move on to the 1785 01:12:13,120 --> 01:12:17,350 next. Uh, 1786 01:12:17,360 --> 01:12:20,000 so like I said, what we're trying to do 1787 01:12:20,000 --> 01:12:22,000 here is minimize impact to residents. 1788 01:12:22,000 --> 01:12:23,520 So, as you look at those different size 1789 01:12:23,520 --> 01:12:26,880 lines at the top, 3/4 in, 1 in, the 3/4 1790 01:12:26,880 --> 01:12:30,480 in line, that is, uh, what residents are 1791 01:12:30,480 --> 01:12:34,480 using. And so, um, looking at doing an 1792 01:12:34,480 --> 01:12:36,880 increase there, 1793 01:12:36,880 --> 01:12:40,239 um, a a fairly minimal increase, 1794 01:12:40,239 --> 01:12:42,560 um, for on the base charge, but then 1795 01:12:42,560 --> 01:12:44,480 when you look at the bigger lines of of 1796 01:12:44,480 --> 01:12:46,560 1 in and higher up to 6 in, that's where 1797 01:12:46,560 --> 01:12:47,760 you're seeing more of the commercial 1798 01:12:47,760 --> 01:12:49,360 users. And that's where we're trying to 1799 01:12:49,360 --> 01:12:51,679 put more of this cost, this revenue 1800 01:12:51,679 --> 01:12:55,120 increase onto those commercial rates to 1801 01:12:55,120 --> 01:12:58,239 rightsize those rates. Um that was more 1802 01:12:58,239 --> 01:13:00,719 typical of of what we're seeing in other 1803 01:13:00,719 --> 01:13:02,159 cities. 1804 01:13:02,159 --> 01:13:03,040 >> Hey Jason. 1805 01:13:03,040 --> 01:13:03,600 >> Uhhuh. 1806 01:13:03,600 --> 01:13:06,880 >> Do I mean I love I love um doing that 1807 01:13:06,880 --> 01:13:08,320 especially cuz I don't like subsidizing 1808 01:13:08,320 --> 01:13:10,400 businesses. Do do we feel at all like 1809 01:13:10,400 --> 01:13:12,159 this is going to be like a a real 1810 01:13:12,159 --> 01:13:13,920 hardship on businesses because I know we 1811 01:13:13,920 --> 01:13:16,719 also want to keep businesses. 1812 01:13:16,719 --> 01:13:18,640 >> Right. That's a great question. Council 1813 01:13:18,640 --> 01:13:21,760 member, um I this is a little bit of an 1814 01:13:21,760 --> 01:13:23,280 increase. It it sounds like a lot 1815 01:13:23,280 --> 01:13:27,040 because like you know wow 15%, you know, 1816 01:13:27,040 --> 01:13:30,800 u 25%. But it's been I would say it this 1817 01:13:30,800 --> 01:13:33,120 way is so low that just bringing it up 1818 01:13:33,120 --> 01:13:37,600 to the right number is is uh is is if 1819 01:13:37,600 --> 01:13:38,960 you look at the dollars I think maybe 1820 01:13:38,960 --> 01:13:40,800 that tells the other side of the story. 1821 01:13:40,800 --> 01:13:44,000 Like if you look at the 1 in line 15% 1822 01:13:44,000 --> 01:13:46,320 that results in a dollar increase of 1823 01:13:46,320 --> 01:13:48,080 $4.24. 1824 01:13:48,080 --> 01:13:51,280 Um, so the monthly charge goes up, you 1825 01:13:51,280 --> 01:13:53,360 know, a little over $4. 1826 01:13:53,360 --> 01:13:55,199 >> So what kind of users are using like a 1827 01:13:55,199 --> 01:13:57,280 six inch line, 1828 01:13:57,280 --> 01:13:57,920 >> right? 1829 01:13:57,920 --> 01:13:58,640 >> That's what that 1830 01:13:58,640 --> 01:14:03,120 >> So places like the Desireette Pasta Mill 1831 01:14:03,120 --> 01:14:06,880 um DATC has a lot of larger meters. Um 1832 01:14:06,880 --> 01:14:09,920 it it's larger commercial uh that that's 1833 01:14:09,920 --> 01:14:13,199 going to be using the larger meters 1834 01:14:13,199 --> 01:14:17,840 uh from from like two to to 6 in. Can I 1835 01:14:17,840 --> 01:14:19,440 add one thing on the 6 in too? 1836 01:14:19,440 --> 01:14:20,000 >> Yeah. 1837 01:14:20,000 --> 01:14:23,600 >> Uh the 6 in also has one um has a 1838 01:14:23,600 --> 01:14:26,400 trailer park. I can't I think Willow. 1839 01:14:26,400 --> 01:14:29,360 Anyway, I I was concerned originally 1840 01:14:29,360 --> 01:14:31,520 looking at this if if we were going to 1841 01:14:31,520 --> 01:14:34,080 be hurting them a ton. Um but they with 1842 01:14:34,080 --> 01:14:35,760 all the residents, they're spreading out 1843 01:14:35,760 --> 01:14:39,040 that base charge and and usage amongst 1844 01:14:39,040 --> 01:14:41,920 all of them. So, just to point that out 1845 01:14:41,920 --> 01:14:46,080 there um with that 6 in. 1846 01:14:46,080 --> 01:14:49,600 >> Thank you. Yeah, that helps a lot. 1847 01:14:49,600 --> 01:14:51,440 >> And then once I know I said it again, 1848 01:14:51,440 --> 01:14:54,080 but the the bottom right there, $164, 1849 01:14:54,080 --> 01:14:57,760 that's what you're seeing there on the increase to residents 1850 01:14:57,760 --> 01:15:02,320 um total monthly billing. 1851 01:15:02,320 --> 01:15:04,080 The the biggest increase that you see 1852 01:15:04,080 --> 01:15:08,320 here is obviously that highest tier. Um 1853 01:15:08,320 --> 01:15:12,239 and and a lot of that is trying to 1854 01:15:12,239 --> 01:15:14,800 discourage people from utilizing 1855 01:15:14,800 --> 01:15:17,679 culinary for irrigation in a year like 1856 01:15:17,679 --> 01:15:21,199 this where hey if if the irrigation gets 1857 01:15:21,199 --> 01:15:23,120 shut off early the last thing that we 1858 01:15:23,120 --> 01:15:25,040 want is people going out and connecting 1859 01:15:25,040 --> 01:15:28,159 their sprinklers to their drinking water 1860 01:15:28,159 --> 01:15:30,560 uh and contaminating the drinking water 1861 01:15:30,560 --> 01:15:35,040 supply. So making it cost prohibitive 1862 01:15:35,040 --> 01:15:39,040 uh to do that. How are people um filling 1863 01:15:39,040 --> 01:15:40,880 their pools? Are they generally using 1864 01:15:40,880 --> 01:15:42,000 irrigation or 1865 01:15:42,000 --> 01:15:46,229 >> No, it's drinking water. 1866 01:15:46,239 --> 01:15:47,920 » Plus P. 1867 01:15:47,920 --> 01:15:51,600 >> Plus what? P. 1868 01:15:51,600 --> 01:15:57,590 >> And that it's like wallets filling up. 1869 01:15:57,600 --> 01:16:02,149 » They can never come over my house. 1870 01:16:02,159 --> 01:16:02,719 Yes, I 1871 01:16:02,719 --> 01:16:04,880 >> can't. 1872 01:16:04,880 --> 01:16:06,719 They invited me. 1873 01:16:06,719 --> 01:16:07,199 Okay. 1874 01:16:07,199 --> 01:16:10,880 >> Um, any other questions before we move 1875 01:16:10,880 --> 01:16:13,280 on to the next slide? Okay. 1876 01:16:13,280 --> 01:16:23,270 So, had a sink slide. 1877 01:16:23,280 --> 01:16:27,520 Um, so storm water. Um, we've had an 1878 01:16:27,520 --> 01:16:29,679 operating loss in this area. So, this is 1879 01:16:29,679 --> 01:16:34,800 just kind of upping that. Um, $2.40. 1880 01:16:34,800 --> 01:16:37,910 Um, 1881 01:16:37,920 --> 01:16:39,679 some of that would go towards the 1882 01:16:39,679 --> 01:16:43,040 officer bond payment as well. But, um, 1883 01:16:43,040 --> 01:16:44,800 >> Jason, for anyone listening, will you 1884 01:16:44,800 --> 01:16:46,480 explain storm water and how it's 1885 01:16:46,480 --> 01:16:47,920 different than the other water we've 1886 01:16:47,920 --> 01:16:48,320 talked about? 1887 01:16:48,320 --> 01:16:49,520 >> Oh, sure. And actually, you know what, 1888 01:16:49,520 --> 01:16:51,199 Josh probably even better explain that, 1889 01:16:51,199 --> 01:16:52,719 but 1890 01:16:52,719 --> 01:16:54,719 >> yeah. So, uh, we're required by the 1891 01:16:54,719 --> 01:16:59,360 state to, uh, collect funds that go 1892 01:16:59,360 --> 01:17:02,800 towards solely just the operations of 1893 01:17:02,800 --> 01:17:06,159 the storm water, uh, system, which is 1894 01:17:06,159 --> 01:17:07,679 capturing 1895 01:17:07,679 --> 01:17:11,360 uh, rainwater runoff, snow melt runoff. 1896 01:17:11,360 --> 01:17:13,840 Uh, we collect and convey that to public 1897 01:17:13,840 --> 01:17:15,920 water bodies, stream, the Great Salt 1898 01:17:15,920 --> 01:17:19,520 Lake. Uh so it it lives as a separate 1899 01:17:19,520 --> 01:17:21,760 fee from everything else so that it can 1900 01:17:21,760 --> 01:17:23,679 be uh monitored and tracked 1901 01:17:23,679 --> 01:17:26,480 independently. Uh we have to report in 1902 01:17:26,480 --> 01:17:28,719 that to the state each year of what 1903 01:17:28,719 --> 01:17:31,199 we're expending and what we're uh 1904 01:17:31,199 --> 01:17:36,080 bringing in. Um this is one rate that I 1905 01:17:36,080 --> 01:17:38,719 think last year was the first increase 1906 01:17:38,719 --> 01:17:40,960 in 1907 01:17:40,960 --> 01:17:44,480 eight or nine years. Um 1908 01:17:44,480 --> 01:17:47,840 so uh as as that department's 1909 01:17:47,840 --> 01:17:50,480 responsibilities has grown as the city 1910 01:17:50,480 --> 01:17:54,320 has grown uh we were relying on the 2014 1911 01:17:54,320 --> 01:17:56,560 2015 rates 1912 01:17:56,560 --> 01:17:59,920 um in a department that that grew by one 1913 01:17:59,920 --> 01:18:01,440 individual 1914 01:18:01,440 --> 01:18:06,800 uh and you know 35 plus% uh growth 1915 01:18:06,800 --> 01:18:09,600 within the city from the previous uh 1916 01:18:09,600 --> 01:18:14,560 rate increase. So that's why you see the operating loss. 1917 01:18:14,560 --> 01:18:16,400 >> And this isn't something that residents 1918 01:18:16,400 --> 01:18:18,320 or the city controls. This is just going 1919 01:18:18,320 --> 01:18:20,640 through storm drains and it's hiring 1920 01:18:20,640 --> 01:18:22,159 staff to clean those out. 1921 01:18:22,159 --> 01:18:24,239 >> Uh that's that's part of it. Inspecting 1922 01:18:24,239 --> 01:18:27,520 and cleaning. Uh we have to do a lot of 1923 01:18:27,520 --> 01:18:29,360 sampling and screening throughout the 1924 01:18:29,360 --> 01:18:33,440 year. Um it's making repairs. It's when 1925 01:18:33,440 --> 01:18:35,199 the Orchard Ridge flooding happened. 1926 01:18:35,199 --> 01:18:37,679 That was all the storm drain department 1927 01:18:37,679 --> 01:18:40,400 that was financing the city response up 1928 01:18:40,400 --> 01:18:41,679 there. So, 1929 01:18:41,679 --> 01:18:43,679 >> so nothing that anyone can directly 1930 01:18:43,679 --> 01:18:45,440 control. It's just a fee that the state 1931 01:18:45,440 --> 01:18:46,719 requires us to pay. 1932 01:18:46,719 --> 01:18:49,440 >> The state doesn't require us to pay the 1933 01:18:49,440 --> 01:18:51,679 fee. The state requires us to fund and 1934 01:18:51,679 --> 01:18:54,159 operate a storm water uh system. 1935 01:18:54,159 --> 01:18:55,440 >> And this is what it costs to have the 1936 01:18:55,440 --> 01:18:56,800 staff to maintain and 1937 01:18:56,800 --> 01:18:59,040 >> staff, equipment, material. 1938 01:18:59,040 --> 01:19:01,920 >> Okay. So, so it's but it's outside our 1939 01:19:01,920 --> 01:19:04,880 control to to really control. 1940 01:19:04,880 --> 01:19:06,960 >> Yeah. We we have a permit with the state 1941 01:19:06,960 --> 01:19:10,239 that that says, "Hey, you guys can't 1942 01:19:10,239 --> 01:19:13,679 have any rainwater or snow melt that 1943 01:19:13,679 --> 01:19:15,440 leaves 1944 01:19:15,440 --> 01:19:17,600 uh any impervious surface and goes to a 1945 01:19:17,600 --> 01:19:19,440 public water body unless you have a 1946 01:19:19,440 --> 01:19:20,880 permit from us. And if you get the 1947 01:19:20,880 --> 01:19:23,040 permit, here's the requirements of of 1948 01:19:23,040 --> 01:19:25,280 what you have to do, how you have to do 1949 01:19:25,280 --> 01:19:26,159 it." 1950 01:19:26,159 --> 01:19:30,159 >> So, legalized extortion. Yeah. 1951 01:19:30,159 --> 01:19:31,679 >> Yeah, it's a good point. That's the 1952 01:19:31,679 --> 01:19:33,280 point we were trying to get to. Okay. 1953 01:19:33,280 --> 01:19:36,239 >> So, each city is different um depending 1954 01:19:36,239 --> 01:19:41,600 on their size and and their makeup and things like that. But each city is 1955 01:19:41,600 --> 01:19:46,000 required to operate a a storm water 1956 01:19:46,000 --> 01:19:47,520 department and take care of that 1957 01:19:47,520 --> 01:19:48,880 infrastructure. That's right. 1958 01:19:48,880 --> 01:19:50,800 >> And so we're we're saying that we need 1959 01:19:50,800 --> 01:19:53,840 an increase because it is in the the 1960 01:19:53,840 --> 01:19:56,000 requirement is increasing in terms of 1961 01:19:56,000 --> 01:19:59,040 >> um No, just every year we're continuing 1962 01:19:59,040 --> 01:20:02,960 to to dig into fund balance to fund the 1963 01:20:02,960 --> 01:20:04,719 storm water department. 1964 01:20:04,719 --> 01:20:05,520 >> Yep. 1965 01:20:05,520 --> 01:20:06,480 >> Okay. 1966 01:20:06,480 --> 01:20:08,080 >> So Maren, can you tell me what does the 1967 01:20:08,080 --> 01:20:11,840 storm water budget last year? Um, 1968 01:20:11,840 --> 01:20:14,400 >> and then so you're saying from what we 1969 01:20:14,400 --> 01:20:16,000 budgeted last year, 1970 01:20:16,000 --> 01:20:18,880 >> we've gone in the whole $750,000 from 1971 01:20:18,880 --> 01:20:20,960 what was budgeted. So what was budgeted 1972 01:20:20,960 --> 01:20:22,400 for normal? 1973 01:20:22,400 --> 01:20:23,920 >> And then Josh, while she's looking that 1974 01:20:23,920 --> 01:20:27,120 up, tell give me an example of something 1975 01:20:27,120 --> 01:20:29,920 that this year that made us operate 1976 01:20:29,920 --> 01:20:32,950 $750,000 1977 01:20:32,960 --> 01:20:34,719 » over budget 1978 01:20:34,719 --> 01:20:39,520 >> from this year. This is not over budget. 1979 01:20:39,520 --> 01:20:43,920 This is we used fund balance to build 1980 01:20:43,920 --> 01:20:45,600 last year's budget. 1981 01:20:45,600 --> 01:20:46,960 >> Okay. 1982 01:20:46,960 --> 01:20:47,520 >> And that was 1983 01:20:47,520 --> 01:20:48,960 >> it was 1.8 1984 01:20:48,960 --> 01:20:50,239 >> 1.8 million million. 1985 01:20:50,239 --> 01:20:50,800 >> Yeah. 1986 01:20:50,800 --> 01:20:53,199 >> And we ended up spending 1987 01:20:53,199 --> 01:20:57,189 how much? 1988 01:20:57,199 --> 01:21:02,080 » Um Oh, sorry. 1.8 is fiery 26. I'll look 1989 01:21:02,080 --> 01:21:03,920 up fiery 25's budget. 1990 01:21:03,920 --> 01:21:05,840 >> That's how much it cost in 2026 to 1991 01:21:05,840 --> 01:21:07,840 operate storm drains. That's what you're 1992 01:21:07,840 --> 01:21:09,760 telling us? Okay. 1993 01:21:09,760 --> 01:21:11,679 >> And when we funded it, you're saying we 1994 01:21:11,679 --> 01:21:14,640 use fund balance out of what? Out of out 1995 01:21:14,640 --> 01:21:16,320 of reserves. 1996 01:21:16,320 --> 01:21:19,040 >> It has its own enterprise funds. 1997 01:21:19,040 --> 01:21:19,760 >> Okay. 1998 01:21:19,760 --> 01:21:21,120 >> And where does the money come from? It 1999 01:21:21,120 --> 01:21:22,560 comes from taxes. 2000 01:21:22,560 --> 01:21:24,320 >> From the storm water fee. 2001 01:21:24,320 --> 01:21:25,760 >> Okay. From the fee that we're charging. 2002 01:21:25,760 --> 01:21:28,560 >> So, it's a separate fee 2003 01:21:28,560 --> 01:21:30,719 um aside from property tax. 2004 01:21:30,719 --> 01:21:32,640 >> And that's added to our utility bill. 2005 01:21:32,640 --> 01:21:33,120 >> What's that? 2006 01:21:33,120 --> 01:21:35,040 >> It's added to our utility bill. 2007 01:21:35,040 --> 01:21:35,360 >> Okay. 2008 01:21:35,360 --> 01:21:36,800 >> Yeah. 2009 01:21:36,800 --> 01:21:39,600 >> Okay. Just uh one other quick question. 2010 01:21:39,600 --> 01:21:42,320 So um obviously the storm water 2011 01:21:42,320 --> 01:21:43,600 generates money 2012 01:21:43,600 --> 01:21:44,080 >> utilities. 2013 01:21:44,080 --> 01:21:50,870 >> We used fund balance 750,000 2014 01:21:50,880 --> 01:21:52,719 » we generate 2015 01:21:52,719 --> 01:21:55,920 >> cash reserves every year. 2016 01:21:55,920 --> 01:21:58,639 >> Did we generate any more cash reserves 2017 01:21:58,639 --> 01:22:00,719 that could be counted 2018 01:22:00,719 --> 01:22:04,320 >> as that? So there was no fund balance. 2019 01:22:04,320 --> 01:22:06,639 So all the money we brought in 2020 01:22:06,639 --> 01:22:09,679 >> besides the 750,000 we used in reserve. 2021 01:22:09,679 --> 01:22:11,440 So how did we end up getting reserves in 2022 01:22:11,440 --> 01:22:13,840 the first place there then? 2023 01:22:13,840 --> 01:22:15,360 >> And previous years. 2024 01:22:15,360 --> 01:22:18,239 >> Yeah, previous years. 2025 01:22:18,239 --> 01:22:19,920 >> Is there something that has increased 2026 01:22:19,920 --> 01:22:21,840 the budget that much in the last couple 2027 01:22:21,840 --> 01:22:22,960 of years? 2028 01:22:22,960 --> 01:22:25,040 >> I think inflation since 2020 has been 2029 01:22:25,040 --> 01:22:27,440 the biggest source. 2030 01:22:27,440 --> 01:22:30,000 >> Co just killed the world. I don't 2031 01:22:30,000 --> 01:22:30,719 understand it 2032 01:22:30,719 --> 01:22:32,080 >> 100%. 2033 01:22:32,080 --> 01:22:33,920 >> All right. Thank you. Guess you have 2034 01:22:33,920 --> 01:22:43,270 questions. 2035 01:22:43,280 --> 01:22:44,480 » All right. 2036 01:22:44,480 --> 01:22:46,000 >> Raise the rates for stone murder. Then 2037 01:22:46,000 --> 01:22:51,360 we won't be 700 761 is it 71 700 $71,000 2038 01:22:51,360 --> 01:22:53,199 in the hole from the general fund. 2039 01:22:53,199 --> 01:22:55,280 Right. We would have that increase if we 2040 01:22:55,280 --> 01:22:58,159 raised these rates, 2041 01:22:58,159 --> 01:22:59,199 >> right? 2042 01:22:59,199 --> 01:23:00,719 >> That's right. That's how we're balancing 2043 01:23:00,719 --> 01:23:02,480 this. That's how we're balancing is by 2044 01:23:02,480 --> 01:23:04,239 moving money over there, increasing its 2045 01:23:04,239 --> 01:23:04,800 rate. 2046 01:23:04,800 --> 01:23:07,199 >> That's right. 2047 01:23:07,199 --> 01:23:09,440 >> Oh my. Okay. 2048 01:23:09,440 --> 01:23:11,360 >> Okay. Now, we're uh going to switch from 2049 01:23:11,360 --> 01:23:13,920 storm sewer to sanitary sewer. So, this 2050 01:23:13,920 --> 01:23:17,199 is uh goes down the drain um in your 2051 01:23:17,199 --> 01:23:20,719 house at this central uh Davis sewer 2052 01:23:20,719 --> 01:23:24,159 district really. Um obviously the city 2053 01:23:24,159 --> 01:23:26,800 administers the fee we on our utility 2054 01:23:26,800 --> 01:23:29,679 bill. Um so most of this is just pass 2055 01:23:29,679 --> 01:23:31,760 through costs. 2056 01:23:31,760 --> 01:23:35,360 from Central Davis. Uh the $3 monthly 2057 01:23:35,360 --> 01:23:36,880 increase. 2058 01:23:36,880 --> 01:23:40,000 Um we we did notice that we're not 2059 01:23:40,000 --> 01:23:43,520 covering our own um costs to administer 2060 01:23:43,520 --> 01:23:45,920 that fee for the sewer district. So we 2061 01:23:45,920 --> 01:23:48,800 are increasing that monthly cost by 25 2062 01:23:48,800 --> 01:23:51,280 cents. 2063 01:23:51,280 --> 01:23:53,760 >> Um 2064 01:23:53,760 --> 01:23:55,360 >> but that charge goes to the sewer 2065 01:23:55,360 --> 01:23:56,960 district, right? 2066 01:23:56,960 --> 01:23:59,120 >> Not our admin fee. The admin fee is our 2067 01:23:59,120 --> 01:24:01,840 own internal fee for for paying our like 2068 01:24:01,840 --> 01:24:02,719 our utility. 2069 01:24:02,719 --> 01:24:05,199 >> But isn't aren't we being paid by the 2070 01:24:05,199 --> 01:24:07,920 sewer district to do that admin? Why 2071 01:24:07,920 --> 01:24:11,120 not? We're doing their admin. They 2072 01:24:11,120 --> 01:24:12,239 should be paying for it. I thought we 2073 01:24:12,239 --> 01:24:15,679 had a contract that they pay us so much 2074 01:24:15,679 --> 01:24:18,880 every year for administrative 2075 01:24:18,880 --> 01:24:20,719 >> duties that we do. 2076 01:24:20,719 --> 01:24:22,239 >> We we have a contract with them to 2077 01:24:22,239 --> 01:24:25,280 administer the program, but um 2078 01:24:25,280 --> 01:24:27,120 >> I mean we own all the infrastructure. 2079 01:24:27,120 --> 01:24:29,520 This should go to the district, not the 2080 01:24:29,520 --> 01:24:31,280 sewer district, not to the occasional 2081 01:24:31,280 --> 01:24:33,120 rate payers. 2082 01:24:33,120 --> 01:24:35,040 If there is a cost in administrative 2083 01:24:35,040 --> 01:24:37,679 fee, that goes to them. Then it's up to 2084 01:24:37,679 --> 01:24:41,520 them to generate the revenue for that. 2085 01:24:41,520 --> 01:24:46,880 >> I guess it's Yeah, it 2086 01:24:46,880 --> 01:24:49,120 I guess it's the same either way. Um I 2087 01:24:49,120 --> 01:24:50,000 we could do it. 2088 01:24:50,000 --> 01:24:52,239 >> Well, I don't know. They don't need to 2089 01:24:52,239 --> 01:24:54,080 increase theirs to cover it. Maybe they 2090 01:24:54,080 --> 01:24:56,400 have the reserve in theirs or the money 2091 01:24:56,400 --> 01:24:58,000 to cover it, but I just don't. You see 2092 01:24:58,000 --> 01:24:59,040 what I'm saying, 2093 01:24:59,040 --> 01:24:59,440 >> right? 2094 01:24:59,440 --> 01:25:01,360 >> We're doing the work for them. They're 2095 01:25:01,360 --> 01:25:02,639 supposed to be paying us for that. I 2096 01:25:02,639 --> 01:25:04,719 thought we had a contract with them that 2097 01:25:04,719 --> 01:25:07,600 they paid us so much or we kept so much 2098 01:25:07,600 --> 01:25:09,120 to cover it. 2099 01:25:09,120 --> 01:25:11,520 >> I mean, I thought that's 2100 01:25:11,520 --> 01:25:12,960 >> I don't know how we're not covering it, 2101 01:25:12,960 --> 01:25:15,120 then they need to pay us more money. It 2102 01:25:15,120 --> 01:25:16,960 doesn't mean we need to increase it to 2103 01:25:16,960 --> 01:25:18,800 our rate. We just need to increase it to 2104 01:25:18,800 --> 01:25:20,639 the people we're doing the work. I don't 2105 01:25:20,639 --> 01:25:22,239 think they pay us at all because they 2106 01:25:22,239 --> 01:25:24,080 own the infrastructure. So, we don't 2107 01:25:24,080 --> 01:25:27,120 have to pay to fix the 2108 01:25:27,120 --> 01:25:29,280 >> pipes or whatever it is. 2109 01:25:29,280 --> 01:25:30,000 >> We we 2110 01:25:30,000 --> 01:25:31,120 >> we're just collecting it for 2111 01:25:31,120 --> 01:25:32,639 >> I understand there's it's just an 2112 01:25:32,639 --> 01:25:34,400 administrative fee, but we're doing 2113 01:25:34,400 --> 01:25:36,000 administrative work for them and if 2114 01:25:36,000 --> 01:25:38,080 there's an increase, they should pay it. 2115 01:25:38,080 --> 01:25:40,159 We I guess we could look at that. But I 2116 01:25:40,159 --> 01:25:44,960 mean, if we said sewer district, we need 25 cents more per resident to 2117 01:25:44,960 --> 01:25:47,840 cover this cost. 2118 01:25:47,840 --> 01:25:51,199 I' I'd assume they would just add their 2119 01:25:51,199 --> 01:25:54,880 make their fee 325 rather than three. 2120 01:25:54,880 --> 01:25:56,800 We've always done it this way. Uh but we 2121 01:25:56,800 --> 01:25:58,320 could change it if if there's a real 2122 01:25:58,320 --> 01:26:00,719 feeling that that's a wrong way to do 2123 01:26:00,719 --> 01:26:01,040 it. 2124 01:26:01,040 --> 01:26:02,400 >> The question is is I thought they were 2125 01:26:02,400 --> 01:26:03,120 paying us. 2126 01:26:03,120 --> 01:26:05,120 >> No, we need to answer that. 2127 01:26:05,120 --> 01:26:06,000 >> No, they're not paying us. 2128 01:26:06,000 --> 01:26:08,639 >> They're not paying us. 2129 01:26:08,639 --> 01:26:09,280 Never. 2130 01:26:09,280 --> 01:26:11,199 >> You're just charging that admin fee to 2131 01:26:11,199 --> 01:26:12,880 administer that for them. 2132 01:26:12,880 --> 01:26:13,679 >> Correct. Okay. 2133 01:26:13,679 --> 01:26:18,790 >> Right. 2134 01:26:18,800 --> 01:26:20,880 » Okay. Um, any other questions on this 2135 01:26:20,880 --> 01:26:23,360 one? Pass through. So, next one, the 2136 01:26:23,360 --> 01:26:26,000 sanitation or garbage or sorry, pressure 2137 01:26:26,000 --> 01:26:27,199 irrigation. I was thinking we were on 2138 01:26:27,199 --> 01:26:29,840 sanitation. Um, 2139 01:26:29,840 --> 01:26:33,760 so similar here. Uh, 2140 01:26:33,760 --> 01:26:37,360 >> we're collecting an admin fee as we as 2141 01:26:37,360 --> 01:26:39,760 we build for pressure irrigation. We 2142 01:26:39,760 --> 01:26:41,360 don't own the infrastructure. Again, 2143 01:26:41,360 --> 01:26:43,920 similar to sewer, but we do collect the 2144 01:26:43,920 --> 01:26:46,159 fee on behalf. 2145 01:26:46,159 --> 01:26:46,800 Um, 2146 01:26:46,800 --> 01:26:48,480 >> this is just for Davis and we 2147 01:26:48,480 --> 01:26:50,480 >> Oh, good point. Just Davis and we were 2148 01:26:50,480 --> 01:26:54,239 not Haz Creek. So, that dollar increase. 2149 01:26:54,239 --> 01:26:56,000 Yeah. Again, we're just we looked at our 2150 01:26:56,000 --> 01:26:58,480 costs of of 2151 01:26:58,480 --> 01:27:00,880 billing and u we're not not really 2152 01:27:00,880 --> 01:27:02,320 covering those costs. I don't know that 2153 01:27:02,320 --> 01:27:04,719 we've had an advent fee increase in 2154 01:27:04,719 --> 01:27:05,120 >> years. 2155 01:27:05,120 --> 01:27:09,600 >> I don't know how long long. Um 2156 01:27:09,600 --> 01:27:11,679 I will say that we've I think become 2157 01:27:11,679 --> 01:27:13,679 even more efficient on our utility 2158 01:27:13,679 --> 01:27:15,520 billing as well. So, it's not that we've 2159 01:27:15,520 --> 01:27:18,480 actually reduced staff there this year. 2160 01:27:18,480 --> 01:27:21,520 So, but this is just I think common 2161 01:27:21,520 --> 01:27:23,440 sense making sure we're covering the 2162 01:27:23,440 --> 01:27:26,159 cost of providing these services. 2163 01:27:26,159 --> 01:27:29,280 Um, probably not worth probably worth 2164 01:27:29,280 --> 01:27:32,239 noting too that in a everyone might be 2165 01:27:32,239 --> 01:27:34,639 knowing that you state required that all 2166 01:27:34,639 --> 01:27:37,120 the pressure irrigation companies meter 2167 01:27:37,120 --> 01:27:40,560 by 2030. And so once those meters are 2168 01:27:40,560 --> 01:27:43,760 all installed, uh, billing for pressure 2169 01:27:43,760 --> 01:27:45,040 irrigation is going to get more 2170 01:27:45,040 --> 01:27:47,520 complicated and potentially our end of 2171 01:27:47,520 --> 01:27:48,719 that's going to get more complicated 2172 01:27:48,719 --> 01:27:50,719 too. So we're starting to work with on 2173 01:27:50,719 --> 01:27:53,199 that issue and 2174 01:27:53,199 --> 01:27:53,520 um, 2175 01:27:53,520 --> 01:27:54,560 >> hey Jason. 2176 01:27:54,560 --> 01:27:55,199 >> Yes, 2177 01:27:55,199 --> 01:27:57,440 >> I think Josh answered Mike's question. 2178 01:27:57,440 --> 01:27:59,360 >> Oh yes, my gosh. 2179 01:27:59,360 --> 01:28:03,280 >> Thanks. So, um, the the reason that it's 2180 01:28:03,280 --> 01:28:05,040 operated that way of like why is the 2181 01:28:05,040 --> 01:28:07,920 city paying to do all the billing for 2182 01:28:07,920 --> 01:28:10,639 Davis and Weaver and the Sewer District 2183 01:28:10,639 --> 01:28:15,600 is uh the city originally 2184 01:28:15,600 --> 01:28:17,840 started building and was the original 2185 01:28:17,840 --> 01:28:20,239 owner and maintainer of sewer and 2186 01:28:20,239 --> 01:28:21,840 irrigation 2187 01:28:21,840 --> 01:28:24,960 and entered agreements with both 2188 01:28:24,960 --> 01:28:27,600 entities at one point to with Central 2189 01:28:27,600 --> 01:28:29,440 Davis. You guys take over, own and 2190 01:28:29,440 --> 01:28:31,840 maintain all the infrastructure. Davis 2191 01:28:31,840 --> 01:28:33,840 and Weaver, you guys own and maintain 2192 01:28:33,840 --> 01:28:35,440 all the infrastructure. You guys take 2193 01:28:35,440 --> 01:28:38,639 over the bond uh that the city uh picked 2194 01:28:38,639 --> 01:28:42,000 up. Uh, and the flip side was you guys 2195 01:28:42,000 --> 01:28:44,639 take all that stuff over and the city 2196 01:28:44,639 --> 01:28:48,960 agreed uh in the the 70s or 80s for 2197 01:28:48,960 --> 01:28:52,880 sewer and the 80s or late 80s for 2198 01:28:52,880 --> 01:28:56,320 irrigation that with no sunset on the 2199 01:28:56,320 --> 01:28:58,159 agreement, we will handle the billing 2200 01:28:58,159 --> 01:29:01,120 for you guys. And in 2023, 2201 01:29:01,120 --> 01:29:05,040 Dean sat down first with the irrigation 2202 01:29:05,040 --> 01:29:08,080 company to see if like, hey, when 2030 2203 01:29:08,080 --> 01:29:10,080 comes and we start doing the billing, we 2204 01:29:10,080 --> 01:29:11,440 think it makes sense for you guys to 2205 01:29:11,440 --> 01:29:13,040 just take over. And the irrigation 2206 01:29:13,040 --> 01:29:14,639 company said, well, we actually wanted 2207 01:29:14,639 --> 01:29:16,480 to talk to you guys. We'd like you to 2208 01:29:16,480 --> 01:29:19,040 retake over the irrigation system 2209 01:29:19,040 --> 01:29:20,560 because we think it makes more sense to 2210 01:29:20,560 --> 01:29:22,719 do that. And Dean at that point said, 2211 01:29:22,719 --> 01:29:24,400 "Never mind. We'll keep doing the 2212 01:29:24,400 --> 01:29:26,880 billing. You guys keep all the 2213 01:29:26,880 --> 01:29:29,360 infrastructure." Yeah. I'm sorry. I I 2214 01:29:29,360 --> 01:29:30,880 thought I had had a conversation with 2215 01:29:30,880 --> 01:29:33,040 Dean before where he said they we do 2216 01:29:33,040 --> 01:29:35,120 bill them for a certain amount 2217 01:29:35,120 --> 01:29:36,000 administrative piece. 2218 01:29:36,000 --> 01:29:36,800 >> I don't think so. 2219 01:29:36,800 --> 01:29:38,960 >> Obviously wrong. 2220 01:29:38,960 --> 01:29:42,000 >> Thanks for that story again, Josh. I I'd 2221 01:29:42,000 --> 01:29:45,360 forgotten that as well that 2222 01:29:45,360 --> 01:29:47,600 >> we would love to not have to worry about 2223 01:29:47,600 --> 01:29:49,520 uh the the fees here. And in fact, 2224 01:29:49,520 --> 01:29:52,000 getting back to pressure irrigation, 2225 01:29:52,000 --> 01:29:54,080 man, come 2030 when all this gets 2226 01:29:54,080 --> 01:29:55,600 metered, it's going to get really messy 2227 01:29:55,600 --> 01:29:57,920 and complicated. And I'm concerned that 2228 01:29:57,920 --> 01:29:59,120 all of a sudden residents are going to 2229 01:29:59,120 --> 01:30:01,679 be calling us and how come 2230 01:30:01,679 --> 01:30:04,320 >> it is difficult for people like hey the 2231 01:30:04,320 --> 01:30:06,239 city doesn't own or maintain the 2232 01:30:06,239 --> 01:30:08,480 irrigation system 2233 01:30:08,480 --> 01:30:11,600 but why does the city charge me on my 2234 01:30:11,600 --> 01:30:13,520 bill every month for irrigation and 2235 01:30:13,520 --> 01:30:17,679 that's really hard to to try and explain 2236 01:30:17,679 --> 01:30:21,199 the the differentiation there but um 2237 01:30:21,199 --> 01:30:23,040 yeah ideally it would be like hey let's 2238 01:30:23,040 --> 01:30:25,679 keep those things totally separate but 2239 01:30:25,679 --> 01:30:28,880 those were the original launder of this. 2240 01:30:28,880 --> 01:30:29,120 I've 2241 01:30:29,120 --> 01:30:31,520 >> actually had a few conversations in the 2242 01:30:31,520 --> 01:30:33,199 last couple months with a lot of other 2243 01:30:33,199 --> 01:30:35,840 city managers about this very thing and 2244 01:30:35,840 --> 01:30:37,679 a lot of cities would love to get out of 2245 01:30:37,679 --> 01:30:39,679 the business of having the bill on 2246 01:30:39,679 --> 01:30:41,520 behalf of the pressure irrigation 2247 01:30:41,520 --> 01:30:45,600 companies, but um it's just most of them 2248 01:30:45,600 --> 01:30:47,280 realize that it's a service that's being 2249 01:30:47,280 --> 01:30:49,760 provided to residents. Um most of these 2250 01:30:49,760 --> 01:30:52,719 companies are just not equipped to uh do 2251 01:30:52,719 --> 01:30:55,520 their own billing and so we do it on 2252 01:30:55,520 --> 01:30:58,880 their behalf. But 2253 01:30:58,880 --> 01:31:01,440 anyway, but that sanitation. So this is 2254 01:31:01,440 --> 01:31:04,639 our garbage collection. Um we are 2255 01:31:04,639 --> 01:31:07,280 working right now on putting out an RFP 2256 01:31:07,280 --> 01:31:11,600 for um our garbage rates. Been with 2257 01:31:11,600 --> 01:31:14,639 Robinson for a long time. they've kept 2258 01:31:14,639 --> 01:31:16,639 our rates very competitive as we as we 2259 01:31:16,639 --> 01:31:18,480 look every year at the rates that are 2260 01:31:18,480 --> 01:31:24,400 being charged in other cities. Um we're always very competitive. Um but it 2261 01:31:24,400 --> 01:31:26,159 makes sense to to go out to bid every 2262 01:31:26,159 --> 01:31:27,600 once in a while. So we're working on 2263 01:31:27,600 --> 01:31:30,400 that process. Um in the meantime uh for 2264 01:31:30,400 --> 01:31:33,679 the coming year, Robinson's um rates are 2265 01:31:33,679 --> 01:31:37,040 going up by a total of about $162 for 2266 01:31:37,040 --> 01:31:38,960 the average resident. And of course that 2267 01:31:38,960 --> 01:31:40,639 depends on how many cans and stuff like 2268 01:31:40,639 --> 01:31:42,159 that, but for the average it's going to 2269 01:31:42,159 --> 01:31:45,040 be about a$162 increase. 2270 01:31:45,040 --> 01:31:48,709 Um 2271 01:31:48,719 --> 01:31:52,719 so any questions there? 2272 01:31:52,719 --> 01:31:56,480 Okay, next slide. Um then this gets back 2273 01:31:56,480 --> 01:31:58,960 to that bottom line up front again. So 2274 01:31:58,960 --> 01:32:01,600 looking at the total impact of 2275 01:32:01,600 --> 01:32:05,040 everything, all fee increases and to the 2276 01:32:05,040 --> 01:32:07,920 average resident on property tax, it's 2277 01:32:07,920 --> 01:32:10,080 about a $25 2278 01:32:10,080 --> 01:32:14,000 increase per month. Um 1480 of that 2279 01:32:14,000 --> 01:32:16,080 would be property tax and then the 2280 01:32:16,080 --> 01:32:18,560 balance would be those fee increases 2281 01:32:18,560 --> 01:32:22,480 that you're seeing um on different 2282 01:32:22,480 --> 01:32:26,709 utilities. 2283 01:32:26,719 --> 01:32:29,040 Um, this be a good time to take a break 2284 01:32:29,040 --> 01:32:30,480 before you get back into general fun 2285 01:32:30,480 --> 01:32:31,679 stuff. All right, let's take a five 2286 01:32:31,679 --> 01:32:35,590 minute break. 2287 01:32:35,600 --> 01:32:36,159 » Yeah. 2288 01:32:36,159 --> 01:32:38,080 >> If anybody's interested, I have a 3D 2289 01:32:38,080 --> 01:32:39,440 model of the fieldhouse that the 2290 01:32:39,440 --> 01:32:41,360 architects did sitting over on this 2291 01:32:41,360 --> 01:32:42,960 table. 2292 01:32:42,960 --> 01:32:44,960 >> Well, look at it's on loan from the 2293 01:32:44,960 --> 01:32:49,360 architects. It's a model for ants. 2294 01:32:49,360 --> 01:32:50,960 has to be at least three times. It needs 2295 01:32:50,960 --> 01:32:52,320 to be at least 2296 01:32:52,320 --> 01:32:58,070 >> three times. 2297 01:32:58,080 --> 01:33:06,229 » The best is Will Ferrells 2298 01:33:06,239 --> 01:33:08,560 » not now. Todd, 2299 01:33:08,560 --> 01:33:14,950 >> you know, you know me. 2300 01:33:14,960 --> 01:33:17,280 » Anyway, 2301 01:33:17,280 --> 01:33:19,840 Jacob, we watched this the We watched 2302 01:33:19,840 --> 01:33:21,920 that the other day and my daughter 2303 01:33:21,920 --> 01:33:24,800 hadn't seen like you haven't seen. She 2304 01:33:24,800 --> 01:33:28,080 was laughing so 2305 01:33:28,080 --> 01:33:30,000 Oh, it's so funny. 2306 01:33:30,000 --> 01:47:57,030 >> It's pretty timeless. It's 2307 01:47:57,040 --> 01:47:59,920 You got to get a beard on Jason. 2308 01:47:59,920 --> 01:48:01,760 >> I can't do it. 2309 01:48:01,760 --> 01:48:04,880 >> Two days of m I can't fill my pillow or 2310 01:48:04,880 --> 01:48:06,800 because of the 2311 01:48:06,800 --> 01:48:09,840 >> There's a there's a a growing curve kind 2312 01:48:09,840 --> 01:48:11,360 of like a learning curve. 2313 01:48:11,360 --> 01:48:12,800 >> You just have to get past that growing 2314 01:48:12,800 --> 01:48:15,040 curve. It's like this takes about I 2315 01:48:15,040 --> 01:48:17,760 think given my all time longest cycle of 2316 01:48:17,760 --> 01:48:18,960 jokes. 2317 01:48:18,960 --> 01:48:21,199 So maybe I'll try 2318 01:48:21,199 --> 01:49:41,510 >> maybe October 2319 01:49:41,520 --> 01:49:43,360 Oh, now we there we go. Thanks, 2320 01:49:43,360 --> 01:49:46,709 >> Chief. 2321 01:49:46,719 --> 01:49:50,480 » Okay. Um, we're back. 2322 01:49:50,480 --> 01:49:51,199 >> I have a new 2323 01:49:51,199 --> 01:49:54,320 >> So, the end here. We just wanted to to 2324 01:49:54,320 --> 01:49:57,040 circle back to the general fund 2325 01:49:57,040 --> 01:50:00,239 discussion that we had last uh what was 2326 01:50:00,239 --> 01:50:02,719 it now? A few weeks ago. 2327 01:50:02,719 --> 01:50:04,320 And so, 2328 01:50:04,320 --> 01:50:07,440 Um looking at this slide, the the upper 2329 01:50:07,440 --> 01:50:09,760 box there, the right box, um the top 2330 01:50:09,760 --> 01:50:12,480 says uh the fund balance at the end of 2331 01:50:12,480 --> 01:50:16,639 FY25 was 7.5 million. Our estimated fund 2332 01:50:16,639 --> 01:50:19,760 balance at the end of FY27 is 3.8 2333 01:50:19,760 --> 01:50:23,679 million. So basically, uh we've used up 2334 01:50:23,679 --> 01:50:25,920 half of our total fund balance or we 2335 01:50:25,920 --> 01:50:27,760 will have used up half of our total fund 2336 01:50:27,760 --> 01:50:31,679 balance um over the course of two years. 2337 01:50:31,679 --> 01:50:34,639 And so that that trend is uh obviously a 2338 01:50:34,639 --> 01:50:37,040 little concerning, but we've also been 2339 01:50:37,040 --> 01:50:38,239 fortunate. We've had a little fund 2340 01:50:38,239 --> 01:50:41,679 bounce to draw on when needed. Our only 2341 01:50:41,679 --> 01:50:44,400 point in this is that um while it's been 2342 01:50:44,400 --> 01:50:46,560 a nice rainy day fund for a year, we 2343 01:50:46,560 --> 01:50:48,080 don't want to continue that 2344 01:50:48,080 --> 01:50:49,600 indefinitely. 2345 01:50:49,600 --> 01:50:51,600 So we we're that's one of the reasons 2346 01:50:51,600 --> 01:50:54,400 why we're proposing uh to do at least 2347 01:50:54,400 --> 01:50:56,000 the same amount of truth and taxation 2348 01:50:56,000 --> 01:50:58,480 that we were supposed to do last year. 2349 01:50:58,480 --> 01:51:00,639 So that bottom left uh number, the 2350 01:51:00,639 --> 01:51:05,280 proposed TNT of $1.795 million. Again, 2351 01:51:05,280 --> 01:51:07,280 that's the exact amount of money that we 2352 01:51:07,280 --> 01:51:09,600 were supposed to get last year that we 2353 01:51:09,600 --> 01:51:11,760 voted on or council voted on and just 2354 01:51:11,760 --> 01:51:14,320 didn't get through the state. So that's 2355 01:51:14,320 --> 01:51:17,440 all we're proposing to do this coming 2356 01:51:17,440 --> 01:51:20,000 FY27 is to do what we should have gotten 2357 01:51:20,000 --> 01:51:22,560 last year. So you can almost think of 2358 01:51:22,560 --> 01:51:26,320 this as a 0% tax increase from from last 2359 01:51:26,320 --> 01:51:28,480 year. really that that's exactly what it 2360 01:51:28,480 --> 01:51:31,040 is. Uh 0% increase of what we were 2361 01:51:31,040 --> 01:51:33,280 supposed to get last year. Everything 2362 01:51:33,280 --> 01:51:36,159 else we're using a creative blend of 2363 01:51:36,159 --> 01:51:38,639 deferring items, using fund balance 2364 01:51:38,639 --> 01:51:41,760 again as we just talked about. 2365 01:51:41,760 --> 01:51:44,719 Uh and then we also wanted to circle 2366 01:51:44,719 --> 01:51:47,280 back to the additions to the budget 2367 01:51:47,280 --> 01:51:50,719 since the last time. So, uh it was 2368 01:51:50,719 --> 01:51:52,560 commented on the last time that we 2369 01:51:52,560 --> 01:51:54,480 should try to find a way to fund the 2370 01:51:54,480 --> 01:51:57,599 police drone. And so that's a $19,000 2371 01:51:57,599 --> 01:52:05,599 uh ad. We also plugged in $29,000 for a part-time police clerk position. Um it 2372 01:52:05,599 --> 01:52:09,119 was discussed last time 2373 01:52:09,119 --> 01:52:13,199 uh the the PTPIO that's part-time public 2374 01:52:13,199 --> 01:52:16,320 information officer. So in the his in 2375 01:52:16,320 --> 01:52:19,199 the past we have we have contracted when 2376 01:52:19,199 --> 01:52:24,480 needed um uh public information. So Josh 2377 01:52:24,480 --> 01:52:28,639 has at times used uh Langden Group. Um 2378 01:52:28,639 --> 01:52:30,480 we've various departments have used the 2379 01:52:30,480 --> 01:52:33,679 Langden Group for certain projects and 2380 01:52:33,679 --> 01:52:35,760 that's a contracted expense. Whenever 2381 01:52:35,760 --> 01:52:37,599 you contract, you're often playing a lot 2382 01:52:37,599 --> 01:52:38,719 higher than you would if you were just 2383 01:52:38,719 --> 01:52:40,159 to hire that person directly. In this 2384 01:52:40,159 --> 01:52:42,639 case, that's very true. I I can't 2385 01:52:42,639 --> 01:52:44,719 remember off the top of my head what um 2386 01:52:44,719 --> 01:52:46,239 Lenon's rates are. 2387 01:52:46,239 --> 01:52:47,840 >> 176 bucks an hour. 2388 01:52:47,840 --> 01:52:50,719 >> 176. So, and we would expect we could 2389 01:52:50,719 --> 01:52:54,000 pay that same person probably less than 2390 01:52:54,000 --> 01:52:55,679 50 an hour if we had them as a 2391 01:52:55,679 --> 01:52:58,159 part-time. So, we would be looking at 2392 01:52:58,159 --> 01:53:01,040 maybe up to 15 to 20 hours a week maybe 2393 01:53:01,040 --> 01:53:04,239 that we could put this person on. Um, 2394 01:53:04,239 --> 01:53:06,880 and we think it would be at at worst 2395 01:53:06,880 --> 01:53:08,880 budget neutral. Maybe at best we'd save 2396 01:53:08,880 --> 01:53:11,119 some money for sure. So, even with some 2397 01:53:11,119 --> 01:53:13,199 additional hours, we think this is a 2398 01:53:13,199 --> 01:53:14,800 benefit. We've already talked in this 2399 01:53:14,800 --> 01:53:18,080 meeting about the need to to help 2400 01:53:18,080 --> 01:53:19,920 residents understand what the city's 2401 01:53:19,920 --> 01:53:22,560 doing, be more transparent, provide 2402 01:53:22,560 --> 01:53:24,960 those those stories of behind, you know, 2403 01:53:24,960 --> 01:53:27,760 what's going on at the city. And and I 2404 01:53:27,760 --> 01:53:30,080 think this would be a key benefit to to 2405 01:53:30,080 --> 01:53:32,320 that that goal. 2406 01:53:32,320 --> 01:53:34,080 A lot of cities, our sites have 2407 01:53:34,080 --> 01:53:36,320 full-time public information officers. A 2408 01:53:36,320 --> 01:53:38,560 lot of cities have whole departments. 2409 01:53:38,560 --> 01:53:42,080 Um, as I met with cities last week in 2410 01:53:42,080 --> 01:53:45,040 St. George, I was talking to a number of 2411 01:53:45,040 --> 01:53:47,199 them that had a full-time public 2412 01:53:47,199 --> 01:53:49,520 information officer, director, plus a 2413 01:53:49,520 --> 01:53:50,800 couple of other people that did nothing 2414 01:53:50,800 --> 01:53:53,520 but video content and other things. So, 2415 01:53:53,520 --> 01:53:56,560 um I think we've we've probably not done 2416 01:53:56,560 --> 01:53:58,320 a great job of telling our story in 2417 01:53:58,320 --> 01:53:59,679 Shazville. And again, this I think this 2418 01:53:59,679 --> 01:54:00,800 would be something that would help us. 2419 01:54:00,800 --> 01:54:02,800 And again, a budget neutral thing we 2420 01:54:02,800 --> 01:54:06,159 believe. So, um but still part of the 2421 01:54:06,159 --> 01:54:08,159 budget. So, we wanted to highlight that. 2422 01:54:08,159 --> 01:54:10,719 the skate park. Um we are looking to add 2423 01:54:10,719 --> 01:54:13,440 $100,000 more in park impact fee money 2424 01:54:13,440 --> 01:54:16,400 as we kind of looked. We've got a 2425 01:54:16,400 --> 01:54:19,280 contract coming to the council next week 2426 01:54:19,280 --> 01:54:23,520 um for um an architect or I guess not an 2427 01:54:23,520 --> 01:54:24,480 architect. 2428 01:54:24,480 --> 01:54:26,080 >> It's a professional design service. 2429 01:54:26,080 --> 01:54:26,880 >> Design service, 2430 01:54:26,880 --> 01:54:29,679 >> but it's a cont 2431 01:54:29,679 --> 01:54:31,040 design build contractor. 2432 01:54:31,040 --> 01:54:34,480 >> The fire impact uh fees that is that 2433 01:54:34,480 --> 01:54:38,470 that's a study, right? 2434 01:54:38,480 --> 01:54:39,679 No, no, 2435 01:54:39,679 --> 01:54:42,239 >> that's the study was already budgeted 2436 01:54:42,239 --> 01:54:45,830 for. I guess 2437 01:54:45,840 --> 01:54:47,840 » this would be for next year to to do 2438 01:54:47,840 --> 01:54:51,199 Yeah. um design work. 2439 01:54:51,199 --> 01:54:53,920 So 2440 01:54:53,920 --> 01:54:56,080 that's again that's fire impact fee. I I 2441 01:54:56,080 --> 01:54:58,000 stress that impact fee money it's use it 2442 01:54:58,000 --> 01:55:00,000 or lose it. It's specifically earmarked 2443 01:55:00,000 --> 01:55:03,840 for that purpose. Um so keep that in 2444 01:55:03,840 --> 01:55:07,440 mind. And then um 2445 01:55:07,440 --> 01:55:10,719 we also it's been uh seven years since 2446 01:55:10,719 --> 01:55:13,360 we've done an impact fee study. Um I 2447 01:55:13,360 --> 01:55:16,400 think uh Council Member Lackim and 2448 01:55:16,400 --> 01:55:18,880 McBride and I attended a session at uh 2449 01:55:18,880 --> 01:55:20,880 the conference last week on impact fees 2450 01:55:20,880 --> 01:55:22,080 and it was interesting. They actually 2451 01:55:22,080 --> 01:55:23,360 talked about how you should be doing 2452 01:55:23,360 --> 01:55:25,679 these impact fee studies. I think in 2453 01:55:25,679 --> 01:55:27,280 this presenter's words it was like at 2454 01:55:27,280 --> 01:55:29,440 least every couple years. Um, I don't 2455 01:55:29,440 --> 01:55:31,840 necessarily agree with that, but I do 2456 01:55:31,840 --> 01:55:34,000 agree 100% that it's been too long since 2457 01:55:34,000 --> 01:55:36,639 we've done an impact fee study. Uh, 2458 01:55:36,639 --> 01:55:38,400 since 2019, obviously, there's been a 2459 01:55:38,400 --> 01:55:41,040 ton of inflation since CO and we just 2460 01:55:41,040 --> 01:55:43,360 need to be uh taking a look at what 2461 01:55:43,360 --> 01:55:44,800 we're charging to make sure that we're 2462 01:55:44,800 --> 01:55:48,159 assessing uh developers uh for the true 2463 01:55:48,159 --> 01:55:51,040 cost of of their projects. 2464 01:55:51,040 --> 01:55:52,880 >> And Jason, just to include when you were 2465 01:55:52,880 --> 01:55:55,840 briefed us, the one before that 2019 was 2466 01:55:55,840 --> 01:55:58,320 2012. So, it's been seven years, seven 2467 01:55:58,320 --> 01:55:58,880 years. 2468 01:55:58,880 --> 01:56:00,800 >> Yep. Good point, Chief. 2469 01:56:00,800 --> 01:56:02,320 >> Isn't that because you have seven years 2470 01:56:02,320 --> 01:56:04,800 to spend it? 2471 01:56:04,800 --> 01:56:06,400 >> Isn't there a date of 2472 01:56:06,400 --> 01:56:07,760 >> There's six years. 2473 01:56:07,760 --> 01:56:09,119 >> Okay. So, you have the study and then 2474 01:56:09,119 --> 01:56:10,800 you have six years to collect and spend 2475 01:56:10,800 --> 01:56:11,920 it. So, 2476 01:56:11,920 --> 01:56:13,520 >> why does it have to be a study? Can't it 2477 01:56:13,520 --> 01:56:15,920 just be um someone making some phone 2478 01:56:15,920 --> 01:56:18,400 calls? Why does it have to be an actual 2479 01:56:18,400 --> 01:56:20,880 study? Is that state requirement? You're 2480 01:56:20,880 --> 01:56:23,920 going to change that. 2481 01:56:23,920 --> 01:56:25,920 >> Extortion state requires 2482 01:56:25,920 --> 01:56:27,599 >> the 2483 01:56:27,599 --> 01:56:30,080 >> you have to have the state requires an 2484 01:56:30,080 --> 01:56:33,840 IFP an impact fee facilities plan and a 2485 01:56:33,840 --> 01:56:36,800 study a rate study. Um could we do that 2486 01:56:36,800 --> 01:56:38,480 internally perhaps? I don't think we 2487 01:56:38,480 --> 01:56:40,239 have the resources to do it the right 2488 01:56:40,239 --> 01:56:42,159 way to be honest. Um 2489 01:56:42,159 --> 01:56:46,080 >> we we we can't just have an intern 2490 01:56:46,080 --> 01:56:47,199 state really wants to make sure 2491 01:56:47,199 --> 01:56:49,679 >> you can't do it based on calls. You have 2492 01:56:49,679 --> 01:56:52,080 to do it based on what you have in your 2493 01:56:52,080 --> 01:56:55,360 IFP, your plan, what the cost 2494 01:56:55,360 --> 01:56:57,440 projections are. There's a formulas that 2495 01:56:57,440 --> 01:57:00,000 have to be used. So you can't just say 2496 01:57:00,000 --> 01:57:01,599 Leon City's charging this, well, we're 2497 01:57:01,599 --> 01:57:03,360 going to charge that. It's based on your 2498 01:57:03,360 --> 01:57:06,159 plan. And every plan is specific to each 2499 01:57:06,159 --> 01:57:08,000 city, whether it's water parks, fire, 2500 01:57:08,000 --> 01:57:09,520 police, 2501 01:57:09,520 --> 01:57:12,400 every different makes or it not only 2502 01:57:12,400 --> 01:57:14,400 meets the state requirements, but it 2503 01:57:14,400 --> 01:57:17,360 provides the material to prove that it's 2504 01:57:17,360 --> 01:57:19,440 defensible. It's not just an arbitrary 2505 01:57:19,440 --> 01:57:22,800 number. It it shows the background 2506 01:57:22,800 --> 01:57:24,880 contextual information that was utilized 2507 01:57:24,880 --> 01:57:27,360 to establish the fee if a developer 2508 01:57:27,360 --> 01:57:28,960 >> that I've had people ask me why do you 2509 01:57:28,960 --> 01:57:30,719 spend so many so much money on 2510 01:57:30,719 --> 01:57:32,960 consultants and studies and engineering 2511 01:57:32,960 --> 01:57:35,119 report engineering I get but 2512 01:57:35,119 --> 01:57:36,960 >> why why why can't a volunteer do this 2513 01:57:36,960 --> 01:57:38,560 why can't an intern do this so thank you 2514 01:57:38,560 --> 01:57:41,360 for that clarification 2515 01:57:41,360 --> 01:57:43,280 >> um 2516 01:57:43,280 --> 01:57:45,520 and and we do that by the way I mean 2517 01:57:45,520 --> 01:57:48,239 parters we're have worked on studies 2518 01:57:48,239 --> 01:57:49,599 that could have been outsourced that 2519 01:57:49,599 --> 01:57:51,280 we'll we'll do our own if it's something 2520 01:57:51,280 --> 01:57:52,639 that we can do internally certainly we 2521 01:57:52,639 --> 01:57:53,440 do. 2522 01:57:53,440 --> 01:57:57,840 >> Um I the LR excuse me LRB and another 2523 01:57:57,840 --> 01:58:01,199 firm um does almost all of these studies 2524 01:58:01,199 --> 01:58:03,040 for the cities in Utah. So this isn't 2525 01:58:03,040 --> 01:58:05,199 something that it I don't know of any 2526 01:58:05,199 --> 01:58:07,840 city that for any city that has done 2527 01:58:07,840 --> 01:58:10,080 that internally. 2528 01:58:10,080 --> 01:58:13,119 Do these firms have to be um on a state 2529 01:58:13,119 --> 01:58:16,239 contract or do they can it just be any? 2530 01:58:16,239 --> 01:58:18,000 >> It just seems like we use a lot of the 2531 01:58:18,000 --> 01:58:20,880 same entities for what we do, right? 2532 01:58:20,880 --> 01:58:22,560 >> And is it because they're on a state 2533 01:58:22,560 --> 01:58:24,400 contract and we have to use those 2534 01:58:24,400 --> 01:58:26,480 specific vendors? 2535 01:58:26,480 --> 01:58:28,560 >> Sometimes it's their state contract. 2536 01:58:28,560 --> 01:58:30,639 Sometimes it's just that there are only 2537 01:58:30,639 --> 01:58:32,159 a couple of people in the state that 2538 01:58:32,159 --> 01:58:34,159 actually can do this work. 2539 01:58:34,159 --> 01:58:36,800 >> Um like I said, LRB and is it science 2540 01:58:36,800 --> 01:58:38,880 public finance? Yeah, you're really Z 2541 01:58:38,880 --> 01:58:40,880 public finance and LRB are the only two 2542 01:58:40,880 --> 01:58:43,360 that do this kind of work in Utah and so 2543 01:58:43,360 --> 01:58:44,960 that's why we tend to use one of those 2544 01:58:44,960 --> 01:58:47,920 two firms um often on different finance. 2545 01:58:47,920 --> 01:58:49,280 >> Okay. I'm just saying it seems like 2546 01:58:49,280 --> 01:58:50,960 there's a monopoly on some of this stuff 2547 01:58:50,960 --> 01:58:53,760 that anyone listening should maybe get 2548 01:58:53,760 --> 01:58:56,320 involved and start their own business. 2549 01:58:56,320 --> 01:58:58,239 >> That's all. If we don't like what we're 2550 01:58:58,239 --> 01:59:00,239 seeing, we should have some competition. 2551 01:59:00,239 --> 01:59:01,599 There's my plug for business and 2552 01:59:01,599 --> 01:59:04,159 economic development. There you go. 2553 01:59:04,159 --> 01:59:06,400 >> Yep. Great. No, we're we're more than 2554 01:59:06,400 --> 01:59:09,119 happy to we don't just go with one 2555 01:59:09,119 --> 01:59:10,880 person all the time. We we try to mix it 2556 01:59:10,880 --> 01:59:14,880 up wherever we can. So, um we do our our 2557 01:59:14,880 --> 01:59:16,800 checks and honestly, when I was down at 2558 01:59:16,800 --> 01:59:18,800 the conference in St. George, I talked 2559 01:59:18,800 --> 01:59:20,800 to several vendors like, "Hey, we we are 2560 01:59:20,800 --> 01:59:22,480 obviously open for business. If you guys 2561 01:59:22,480 --> 01:59:24,400 want to give us a more competitive rate, 2562 01:59:24,400 --> 01:59:27,360 show us what you can do for us. Um, we 2563 01:59:27,360 --> 01:59:30,239 don't have any, you know, special, you 2564 01:59:30,239 --> 01:59:36,080 know, relationships with anybody that, um, we're just looking for the 2565 01:59:36,080 --> 01:59:37,520 best product for the city 2566 01:59:37,520 --> 01:59:42,320 >> at the best rate. Um, let's see. And 2567 01:59:42,320 --> 01:59:44,880 also for that impact fee study, we can 2568 01:59:44,880 --> 01:59:46,800 also use impact fee money as it says 2569 01:59:46,800 --> 01:59:50,239 there. So, um, put that out. And then 2570 01:59:50,239 --> 01:59:51,920 the last item, this isn't a new item, 2571 01:59:51,920 --> 01:59:53,760 but I I wasn't sure where we left off 2572 01:59:53,760 --> 01:59:56,560 last time. Um, we had plugged in 2573 01:59:56,560 --> 01:59:59,760 $141,000 for council health insurance. 2574 01:59:59,760 --> 02:00:01,599 Um, there are some cities that do help 2575 02:00:01,599 --> 02:00:03,440 do provide health insurance to their 2576 02:00:03,440 --> 02:00:06,800 councils. Um, and I know that's been 2577 02:00:06,800 --> 02:00:08,880 asked about, so we wanted to circle back 2578 02:00:08,880 --> 02:00:10,800 on that once and for all. Is that 2579 02:00:10,800 --> 02:00:12,239 something we want to continue to include 2580 02:00:12,239 --> 02:00:13,520 or not include? But right now, it's 2581 02:00:13,520 --> 02:00:16,800 still included in in the budget. Um, so 2582 02:00:16,800 --> 02:00:19,199 those are all the I guess additions to 2583 02:00:19,199 --> 02:00:22,320 clarify or highlight. 2584 02:00:22,320 --> 02:00:23,360 Um, Jason, 2585 02:00:23,360 --> 02:00:23,920 >> yes, 2586 02:00:23,920 --> 02:00:26,880 >> I told you this was coming. Um, I do not 2587 02:00:26,880 --> 02:00:30,880 want the council insurance on there and I know there are good arguments for 2588 02:00:30,880 --> 02:00:32,719 both sides. I appreciate the fact that 2589 02:00:32,719 --> 02:00:34,320 it can help people run who maybe would 2590 02:00:34,320 --> 02:00:37,920 not be able to run, but I think all of 2591 02:00:37,920 --> 02:00:39,760 us ran knowing that it was not there, 2592 02:00:39,760 --> 02:00:41,119 and that doesn't mean you have to let a 2593 02:00:41,119 --> 02:00:43,920 bad thing continue if if it's there. I 2594 02:00:43,920 --> 02:00:45,679 just and I also don't want to be like, 2595 02:00:45,679 --> 02:00:47,040 "Oh, yeah, no, we're all good, but maybe 2596 02:00:47,040 --> 02:00:48,400 someone doesn't need it." I just feel 2597 02:00:48,400 --> 02:00:49,760 like right now, especially with where 2598 02:00:49,760 --> 02:00:51,360 the budget is, it doesn't need to be 2599 02:00:51,360 --> 02:00:52,880 there. But I don't also want to say, 2600 02:00:52,880 --> 02:00:54,159 "Oh, well, we'll do it later." Because 2601 02:00:54,159 --> 02:00:55,360 that's just kicking the can down the 2602 02:00:55,360 --> 02:00:56,719 road. So, if it's something we really 2603 02:00:56,719 --> 02:00:58,800 feel like is important, I think we 2604 02:00:58,800 --> 02:01:01,040 should set a deadline for ourselves and 2605 02:01:01,040 --> 02:01:02,800 put it after the next election so that 2606 02:01:02,800 --> 02:01:05,440 it benefits anyone who comes in after 2607 02:01:05,440 --> 02:01:07,520 this because I just I don't love feeling 2608 02:01:07,520 --> 02:01:09,119 like I'm doing something for myself. I 2609 02:01:09,119 --> 02:01:11,199 know there are lots of arguments on all 2610 02:01:11,199 --> 02:01:14,400 sides, but for me, I can't justify it. I 2611 02:01:14,400 --> 02:01:16,719 mean, seriously, it could pay for like 2612 02:01:16,719 --> 02:01:19,840 three three total line items on there, 2613 02:01:19,840 --> 02:01:23,119 and it could, I think, solve 2614 02:01:23,119 --> 02:01:25,520 some of our issues as far as our budget 2615 02:01:25,520 --> 02:01:28,639 goes. So, I'm very passionately against 2616 02:01:28,639 --> 02:01:30,719 having that on there this year, but open 2617 02:01:30,719 --> 02:01:33,760 to the possibility of holding ourselves 2618 02:01:33,760 --> 02:01:36,400 accountable to putting it on after the 2619 02:01:36,400 --> 02:01:38,320 next election or maybe the one after 2620 02:01:38,320 --> 02:01:39,599 that. But well, and I do want to make 2621 02:01:39,599 --> 02:01:41,679 the point, thank you, Abby, that um this 2622 02:01:41,679 --> 02:01:43,599 was a staff recommendation, not a 2623 02:01:43,599 --> 02:01:45,360 council recommendation. So, we 2624 02:01:45,360 --> 02:01:46,960 appreciate you you being willing to look 2625 02:01:46,960 --> 02:01:47,920 out for us. 2626 02:01:47,920 --> 02:01:50,800 >> Well, um in in terms of looking at 2627 02:01:50,800 --> 02:01:53,040 what's competitive in other cities, 2628 02:01:53,040 --> 02:01:56,159 >> but um I don't think that we 2629 02:01:56,159 --> 02:01:58,560 >> I especially if it's going to bump us up 2630 02:01:58,560 --> 02:02:00,719 to is it included in this total? 2631 02:02:00,719 --> 02:02:01,679 >> It's included. Yeah. 2632 02:02:01,679 --> 02:02:03,599 >> Okay. Yeah. I I don't think we need it. 2633 02:02:03,599 --> 02:02:06,320 Does the 141 does that assume that every 2634 02:02:06,320 --> 02:02:10,000 single council member and mayor elects 2635 02:02:10,000 --> 02:02:10,960 to utilize it? 2636 02:02:10,960 --> 02:02:11,280 >> Right. 2637 02:02:11,280 --> 02:02:12,719 >> Yeah. And Tick's family. 2638 02:02:12,719 --> 02:02:13,440 >> Yeah. 2639 02:02:13,440 --> 02:02:15,599 >> Um do you want to take a straw poll 2640 02:02:15,599 --> 02:02:17,440 right now? And just I mean we'll we'll 2641 02:02:17,440 --> 02:02:19,119 have this going to the council next 2642 02:02:19,119 --> 02:02:21,599 week. But if there's a clear feeling 2643 02:02:21,599 --> 02:02:24,400 that any of these items should be dealt 2644 02:02:24,400 --> 02:02:26,239 with, if if you don't want some of these 2645 02:02:26,239 --> 02:02:28,639 items added into the budget or you don't 2646 02:02:28,639 --> 02:02:32,400 want council insurance included, um I 2647 02:02:32,400 --> 02:02:36,480 think it'd be helpful maybe just do it's not a 2648 02:02:36,480 --> 02:02:38,080 >> work item right now or an action item, 2649 02:02:38,080 --> 02:02:38,400 but 2650 02:02:38,400 --> 02:02:40,320 >> and Ann Mary wanted me to clarify that 2651 02:02:40,320 --> 02:02:42,960 while we have to approve the tenative 2652 02:02:42,960 --> 02:02:45,760 budget next Thursday, 2653 02:02:45,760 --> 02:02:48,480 you can we can still make changes. So we 2654 02:02:48,480 --> 02:02:50,320 can still present a modified tenative 2655 02:02:50,320 --> 02:02:52,960 budget at the public hearing in June. So 2656 02:02:52,960 --> 02:02:54,480 just because we have to approve it next 2657 02:02:54,480 --> 02:02:56,800 Thursday, you could still say but remove 2658 02:02:56,800 --> 02:02:58,400 council health insurance. But 2659 02:02:58,400 --> 02:03:00,800 >> just for clarification, 2660 02:03:00,800 --> 02:03:03,760 I thought the next week you you correct 2661 02:03:03,760 --> 02:03:06,320 me because you're okay. I thought all we 2662 02:03:06,320 --> 02:03:09,040 had to do next council meeting was 2663 02:03:09,040 --> 02:03:10,639 declare whether we were thinking of 2664 02:03:10,639 --> 02:03:13,360 truth in taxation or not. But we could 2665 02:03:13,360 --> 02:03:17,199 do a tenative budget the second council 2666 02:03:17,199 --> 02:03:18,080 meeting in 2667 02:03:18,080 --> 02:03:19,440 >> they changed that this last 2668 02:03:19,440 --> 02:03:20,159 >> so it has to be 2669 02:03:20,159 --> 02:03:21,840 >> so it says in state code it has to be 2670 02:03:21,840 --> 02:03:22,239 approved 2671 02:03:22,239 --> 02:03:25,840 >> before the first meeting before the 2672 02:03:25,840 --> 02:03:28,560 >> no the first meeting in May before the 2673 02:03:28,560 --> 02:03:29,119 meeting 2674 02:03:29,119 --> 02:03:31,280 >> and that is a tenative budget which is 2675 02:03:31,280 --> 02:03:32,480 not the final 2676 02:03:32,480 --> 02:03:36,880 >> right so we have like five or five items 2677 02:03:36,880 --> 02:03:39,520 on the agenda that are all budget 2678 02:03:39,520 --> 02:03:41,920 related but we had to split them out 2679 02:03:41,920 --> 02:03:43,679 individually ually because the state is 2680 02:03:43,679 --> 02:03:45,119 requiring us to do it that way. 2681 02:03:45,119 --> 02:03:46,960 >> I thought the new one was you just had 2682 02:03:46,960 --> 02:03:50,239 to say whether or not you were going to 2683 02:03:50,239 --> 02:03:54,470 do truth and taxation 2684 02:03:54,480 --> 02:03:56,719 » you didn't have to at that meeting adopt 2685 02:03:56,719 --> 02:03:57,599 your tenative 2686 02:03:57,599 --> 02:03:59,280 >> when when does the official notice go 2687 02:03:59,280 --> 02:04:01,760 from the county with our cover letter 2688 02:04:01,760 --> 02:04:05,440 which I really will fight to include. 2689 02:04:05,440 --> 02:04:07,040 >> When is that mailed? 2690 02:04:07,040 --> 02:04:08,080 >> July. 2691 02:04:08,080 --> 02:04:11,280 July. What? Just July. Ooh, I 2692 02:04:11,280 --> 02:04:12,560 think it's by the 22nd. 2693 02:04:12,560 --> 02:04:14,960 >> July 22nd. Okay. And that is our 2694 02:04:14,960 --> 02:04:17,520 official notification that we have an 2695 02:04:17,520 --> 02:04:19,760 intention to do truth and taxation or 2696 02:04:19,760 --> 02:04:20,960 not. 2697 02:04:20,960 --> 02:04:22,480 >> But that does not commit us to an 2698 02:04:22,480 --> 02:04:23,679 amount. 2699 02:04:23,679 --> 02:04:26,800 >> That is a public meeting notice, right? 2700 02:04:26,800 --> 02:04:29,599 >> That's the notice before the August 6th, 2701 02:04:29,599 --> 02:04:31,440 >> public meeting where we would adopt or 2702 02:04:31,440 --> 02:04:32,159 not adopt. 2703 02:04:32,159 --> 02:04:33,360 >> Yes. 2704 02:04:33,360 --> 02:04:36,000 >> Okay. I just figure 2705 02:04:36,000 --> 02:04:37,199 what's the point of getting people 2706 02:04:37,199 --> 02:04:40,159 worked up over all of these things only 2707 02:04:40,159 --> 02:04:42,960 then then to just say well you know okay 2708 02:04:42,960 --> 02:04:44,320 so we're not going to do that and then 2709 02:04:44,320 --> 02:04:46,159 we're going to not maybe we'll hold the 2710 02:04:46,159 --> 02:04:49,360 skate park and then maybe whatever it is 2711 02:04:49,360 --> 02:04:52,159 >> after the skate park is impact fee money 2712 02:04:52,159 --> 02:04:53,679 so it's not general it's not general 2713 02:04:53,679 --> 02:04:54,400 fund money 2714 02:04:54,400 --> 02:04:56,320 >> okay so why is it included in this then 2715 02:04:56,320 --> 02:04:58,159 >> because we added an additional 100,000 2716 02:04:58,159 --> 02:05:00,719 from the previous request because we as 2717 02:05:00,719 --> 02:05:03,119 we were going through the RFQ process to 2718 02:05:03,119 --> 02:05:04,480 select select the design bill that we 2719 02:05:04,480 --> 02:05:06,000 realized that what we originally asked 2720 02:05:06,000 --> 02:05:08,080 for wasn't enough to kind of get us 2721 02:05:08,080 --> 02:05:09,040 where we want. 2722 02:05:09,040 --> 02:05:10,400 >> So the park impact fee money is 2723 02:05:10,400 --> 02:05:13,360 restricted to simp park improvements. 2724 02:05:13,360 --> 02:05:16,000 It's not general fund. It's 100% park 2725 02:05:16,000 --> 02:05:16,639 impact fee. 2726 02:05:16,639 --> 02:05:18,400 >> So that is not included in our increase 2727 02:05:18,400 --> 02:05:19,040 potentially. 2728 02:05:19,040 --> 02:05:19,440 >> Correct. 2729 02:05:19,440 --> 02:05:20,719 >> Okay. Well then let's make sure that 2730 02:05:20,719 --> 02:05:22,719 that's clear because that's confusing. 2731 02:05:22,719 --> 02:05:24,560 >> If it says impact fee on the side of it, 2732 02:05:24,560 --> 02:05:27,440 it's not included in the 2733 02:05:27,440 --> 02:05:29,520 >> in that increase. 2734 02:05:29,520 --> 02:05:30,880 >> Yeah. Everything else would be general 2735 02:05:30,880 --> 02:05:32,560 fund, but things that are denoted as 2736 02:05:32,560 --> 02:05:33,760 impact fee. 2737 02:05:33,760 --> 02:05:35,119 >> Yeah, that's a good point. 2738 02:05:35,119 --> 02:05:37,199 >> Okay. Just whatever we send out and the 2739 02:05:37,199 --> 02:05:38,639 county sends out, I think we just need 2740 02:05:38,639 --> 02:05:41,599 to be as clear as mud in terms of our 2741 02:05:41,599 --> 02:05:45,440 intention because once it's out there, We've seen it happen 2742 02:05:45,440 --> 02:05:47,520 before where it's super confusing. The 2743 02:05:47,520 --> 02:05:51,040 county sends their legal whatever and 2744 02:05:51,040 --> 02:05:54,239 then people see taxes and just lose it 2745 02:05:54,239 --> 02:05:55,679 and then don't even give us an 2746 02:05:55,679 --> 02:05:57,760 opportunity to say, "Wait, but we 2747 02:05:57,760 --> 02:05:59,599 haven't approved the shit." They just 2748 02:05:59,599 --> 02:06:00,639 assume it's done. So, 2749 02:06:00,639 --> 02:06:02,480 >> and and I'm pretty sure your property 2750 02:06:02,480 --> 02:06:05,360 tax notice will come with both. It will 2751 02:06:05,360 --> 02:06:08,000 come if you have no truth of taxation 2752 02:06:08,000 --> 02:06:09,760 >> and if you have truth, 2753 02:06:09,760 --> 02:06:11,360 >> but we also want to send a cover letter 2754 02:06:11,360 --> 02:06:13,199 explaining why. 2755 02:06:13,199 --> 02:06:14,560 >> Yes, that we would like to see 2756 02:06:14,560 --> 02:06:16,480 beforehand. I just want to put that on. 2757 02:06:16,480 --> 02:06:19,679 >> We will we will run that cover letter by 2758 02:06:19,679 --> 02:06:22,639 uh by council by new mayor and make sure 2759 02:06:22,639 --> 02:06:24,880 everyone's comfortable with how we're 2760 02:06:24,880 --> 02:06:28,080 presenting that. Hey, Jason. Yeah, to 2761 02:06:28,080 --> 02:06:29,920 Aby's point too, I don't I don't think 2762 02:06:29,920 --> 02:06:32,000 this year is the year to 2763 02:06:32,000 --> 02:06:34,000 >> have the council health insurance 2764 02:06:34,000 --> 02:06:38,239 included and I think we have too many uh 2765 02:06:38,239 --> 02:06:40,480 >> I mean that over part-time records clerk 2766 02:06:40,480 --> 02:06:43,119 I have a I can't I can't justify that. I 2767 02:06:43,119 --> 02:06:44,800 guess my only thing would be is if there 2768 02:06:44,800 --> 02:06:46,800 is some council member who absolutely 2769 02:06:46,800 --> 02:06:48,560 needs it for something then talk to them 2770 02:06:48,560 --> 02:06:50,480 individually and put them out for what 2771 02:06:50,480 --> 02:06:53,199 they need and whatever 2772 02:06:53,199 --> 02:06:54,960 >> but make it an open meeting so that we 2773 02:06:54,960 --> 02:06:56,400 know who it is. 2774 02:06:56,400 --> 02:06:59,840 >> I think that yeah one for one for all we 2775 02:06:59,840 --> 02:07:01,920 need to know who it is that wants it so 2776 02:07:01,920 --> 02:07:03,599 that we can have a discussion about it. 2777 02:07:03,599 --> 02:07:05,599 >> So would that be a policy change then 2778 02:07:05,599 --> 02:07:10,639 moving forward of if a council member 2779 02:07:10,639 --> 02:07:11,360 >> wanted it? 2780 02:07:11,360 --> 02:07:13,119 >> Yeah would like it. budget. 2781 02:07:13,119 --> 02:07:14,719 >> I'm not sure how that would be handled 2782 02:07:14,719 --> 02:07:18,470 cuz I think it would have 2783 02:07:18,480 --> 02:07:20,560 » it have to be budgeted for sure. So 2784 02:07:20,560 --> 02:07:22,880 that's public uh very 2785 02:07:22,880 --> 02:07:24,719 >> they'd have to know who it is and and 2786 02:07:24,719 --> 02:07:27,760 how much to budget it of course. 2787 02:07:27,760 --> 02:07:29,040 >> Um 2788 02:07:29,040 --> 02:07:31,360 >> I guess right now unless unless people 2789 02:07:31,360 --> 02:07:32,480 feel like 2790 02:07:32,480 --> 02:07:33,920 >> they're comfortable enough just taking a 2791 02:07:33,920 --> 02:07:36,000 straw pull. We just want to be sure that 2792 02:07:36,000 --> 02:07:37,599 um the budget that we present next 2793 02:07:37,599 --> 02:07:40,239 Thursday is reflective of the comments 2794 02:07:40,239 --> 02:07:42,719 that we've heard from from the council. 2795 02:07:42,719 --> 02:07:44,560 >> Um event 2796 02:07:44,560 --> 02:07:46,480 >> and and again that's our best guess is 2797 02:07:46,480 --> 02:07:48,320 that this reflects what the council's 2798 02:07:48,320 --> 02:07:53,840 interested in. Um if there's a clear sign that we should take the 2799 02:07:53,840 --> 02:07:55,760 council insurance out of the budget, not 2800 02:07:55,760 --> 02:07:58,719 even go to tenative budget with it. Um 2801 02:07:58,719 --> 02:08:00,480 again, that was something that never 2802 02:08:00,480 --> 02:08:02,159 voted on by council. I did get some 2803 02:08:02,159 --> 02:08:03,679 feedback that that was something should 2804 02:08:03,679 --> 02:08:06,159 look into, but um if it's not something 2805 02:08:06,159 --> 02:08:07,920 that's of interest, we're happy to take 2806 02:08:07,920 --> 02:08:09,760 that out as well. 2807 02:08:09,760 --> 02:08:10,400 >> Okay. 2808 02:08:10,400 --> 02:08:13,599 >> I think we can take it out this year. 2809 02:08:13,599 --> 02:08:16,000 >> We like Abby said, I like your idea 2810 02:08:16,000 --> 02:08:17,760 going forward. We can look at it and 2811 02:08:17,760 --> 02:08:20,159 see. 2812 02:08:20,159 --> 02:08:22,560 >> I don't mind taking it out cuz I don't 2813 02:08:22,560 --> 02:08:26,159 need it, but there was a good reason for 2814 02:08:26,159 --> 02:08:29,679 why it was put in there. So I I want it 2815 02:08:29,679 --> 02:08:31,920 somehow in policy or whatever that if a 2816 02:08:31,920 --> 02:08:33,599 new council member comes in and they 2817 02:08:33,599 --> 02:08:35,840 need it, they have the option to get it. 2818 02:08:35,840 --> 02:08:37,440 That doesn't mean you just automatically 2819 02:08:37,440 --> 02:08:39,920 give five people or six people health 2820 02:08:39,920 --> 02:08:43,440 insurance or you you then you would just 2821 02:08:43,440 --> 02:08:46,320 budget say okay council member A needs 2822 02:08:46,320 --> 02:08:48,719 it so that's whatever that is that 2823 02:08:48,719 --> 02:08:54,239 amount only. But then how do you offset benefits for the 2824 02:08:54,239 --> 02:08:55,920 others that might say well you know I 2825 02:08:55,920 --> 02:08:57,679 need a cell phone plan 2826 02:08:57,679 --> 02:08:59,679 >> or I need a data plan because I'm 2827 02:08:59,679 --> 02:09:00,800 offsite a lot 2828 02:09:00,800 --> 02:09:02,480 >> but this is specifically insurance 2829 02:09:02,480 --> 02:09:03,920 >> well no I'm just I'm just saying there 2830 02:09:03,920 --> 02:09:05,520 are situations though where other people 2831 02:09:05,520 --> 02:09:07,520 will come in and say well okay that 2832 02:09:07,520 --> 02:09:09,520 person got insurance well I have a 2833 02:09:09,520 --> 02:09:11,599 unique situation where I need something 2834 02:09:11,599 --> 02:09:14,000 because I'm offsite or whatever it is 2835 02:09:14,000 --> 02:09:16,639 >> if it is great and it's unique and it 2836 02:09:16,639 --> 02:09:18,400 needs to be there 2837 02:09:18,400 --> 02:09:19,840 >> then there's got to be a pot of money 2838 02:09:19,840 --> 02:09:21,760 set aside for those things. 2839 02:09:21,760 --> 02:09:24,079 >> What about What about an option? Here's 2840 02:09:24,079 --> 02:09:25,679 Wow. 2841 02:09:25,679 --> 02:09:28,000 >> Just trying to think outside the box. 2842 02:09:28,000 --> 02:09:30,960 >> Could you have something set up so that 2843 02:09:30,960 --> 02:09:34,719 you've got the the amount that that uh 2844 02:09:34,719 --> 02:09:38,639 each commissioner or mayor get as their 2845 02:09:38,639 --> 02:09:41,760 monthly stipend or whatever for um being 2846 02:09:41,760 --> 02:09:44,320 a commissioner, you set that amount to 2847 02:09:44,320 --> 02:09:47,920 whatever amount it is. and that if a 2848 02:09:47,920 --> 02:09:49,760 certain commissioner wants to take 2849 02:09:49,760 --> 02:09:52,159 advantage of the health insurance that 2850 02:09:52,159 --> 02:09:55,520 decreases the amount that they get by 2851 02:09:55,520 --> 02:09:58,159 not not as much as the insurance costs 2852 02:09:58,159 --> 02:10:01,040 obviously but like a certain amount. I 2853 02:10:01,040 --> 02:10:03,599 think that then creates the and you 2854 02:10:03,599 --> 02:10:05,760 could even increase the amount that the 2855 02:10:05,760 --> 02:10:06,960 commissioners and the mayors are 2856 02:10:06,960 --> 02:10:09,760 getting. I'm just saying like the idea 2857 02:10:09,760 --> 02:10:14,320 the concept I I I just like I predict 2858 02:10:14,320 --> 02:10:17,040 you either give it to everybody or you 2859 02:10:17,040 --> 02:10:19,520 give it to no one because I predict like 2860 02:10:19,520 --> 02:10:23,679 the old this isn't fair syndrome happens 2861 02:10:23,679 --> 02:10:26,239 like immediately with someone saying 2862 02:10:26,239 --> 02:10:29,920 like well that's not like you're giving 2863 02:10:29,920 --> 02:10:34,560 them $900 a month worth of benefits. Uh 2864 02:10:34,560 --> 02:10:36,320 >> I'm not taking that. Why don't you give 2865 02:10:36,320 --> 02:10:36,719 me 2866 02:10:36,719 --> 02:10:38,239 >> or someone drives a lot and 2867 02:10:38,239 --> 02:10:39,520 >> 800 cash or whatever. 2868 02:10:39,520 --> 02:10:41,440 >> They have a lot of gas and you know 2869 02:10:41,440 --> 02:10:42,880 there's there should be a pool of money 2870 02:10:42,880 --> 02:10:43,760 set aside. 2871 02:10:43,760 --> 02:10:46,000 >> I guess though you don't do that for for 2872 02:10:46,000 --> 02:10:47,840 or not for for employees. I guess you 2873 02:10:47,840 --> 02:10:48,320 don't do that for 2874 02:10:48,320 --> 02:10:50,960 >> employee turns down the insurance which 2875 02:10:50,960 --> 02:10:52,400 some of them do. They don't get 2876 02:10:52,400 --> 02:10:54,079 anything. But there's a little bit I 2877 02:10:54,079 --> 02:10:56,719 guess the only difference is like as an 2878 02:10:56,719 --> 02:10:58,480 employer like when you're trying to get 2879 02:10:58,480 --> 02:11:00,880 employers those are benefits packages 2880 02:11:00,880 --> 02:11:02,960 that you can take advantage of benefits 2881 02:11:02,960 --> 02:11:07,040 right versus in this circumstance 2882 02:11:07,040 --> 02:11:10,639 you're an elected official. I guess 2883 02:11:10,639 --> 02:11:12,320 though you could still categorize it as 2884 02:11:12,320 --> 02:11:14,159 benefits and and just say that's a 2885 02:11:14,159 --> 02:11:16,159 benefit that's available to you if you 2886 02:11:16,159 --> 02:11:18,719 want to take advantage of it. Yeah, why 2887 02:11:18,719 --> 02:11:20,480 not? 2888 02:11:20,480 --> 02:11:21,119 like the gym 2889 02:11:21,119 --> 02:11:22,800 >> and maybe this and yeah and maybe the 2890 02:11:22,800 --> 02:11:24,639 cell phone and stuff like that. Maybe 2891 02:11:24,639 --> 02:11:26,639 some of those become benefits that you 2892 02:11:26,639 --> 02:11:30,320 can take advantage of also, mayor. Um 2893 02:11:30,320 --> 02:11:34,079 >> I think you should be on the cell phone. 2894 02:11:34,079 --> 02:11:37,199 >> Yeah, cell phone plans are nice. 2895 02:11:37,199 --> 02:11:39,599 I think we get a stipen for our cell 2896 02:11:39,599 --> 02:11:40,639 phones. 2897 02:11:40,639 --> 02:11:43,280 >> I believe Dean did it that way. 2898 02:11:43,280 --> 02:11:44,880 >> No, that just started a couple months 2899 02:11:44,880 --> 02:11:45,679 ago. 2900 02:11:45,679 --> 02:11:46,480 >> Uh 2901 02:11:46,480 --> 02:11:50,950 >> you're welcome. 2902 02:11:50,960 --> 02:11:53,520 I was like this whole time. But he did 2903 02:11:53,520 --> 02:11:56,400 give he did they did do something like a 2904 02:11:56,400 --> 02:11:58,400 year ago or two years ago. I remember 2905 02:11:58,400 --> 02:12:00,159 they did something that 2906 02:12:00,159 --> 02:12:02,079 >> was gas. Okay. Gas 2907 02:12:02,079 --> 02:12:02,639 >> vehicle. 2908 02:12:02,639 --> 02:12:03,040 >> Yeah. 2909 02:12:03,040 --> 02:12:05,840 >> That's what it was. It was the gas. 2910 02:12:05,840 --> 02:12:08,159 >> I'm just saying whatever the policy is 2911 02:12:08,159 --> 02:12:10,159 moving forward, it needs to be available 2912 02:12:10,159 --> 02:12:12,960 to everyone tap into for whatever it is 2913 02:12:12,960 --> 02:12:15,840 that they specifically might need. 2914 02:12:15,840 --> 02:12:18,800 should be a pool of money set aside for 2915 02:12:18,800 --> 02:12:20,480 special circumstances where 2916 02:12:20,480 --> 02:12:21,920 >> science number barely pays 2917 02:12:21,920 --> 02:12:23,920 >> it is equal to whatever. 2918 02:12:23,920 --> 02:12:26,000 >> So it's a fair situation that's all 2919 02:12:26,000 --> 02:12:27,840 >> or or we don't do it at all and we say 2920 02:12:27,840 --> 02:12:30,000 this is your salary, this is your um 2921 02:12:30,000 --> 02:12:32,480 predium and this is your gas stipen and 2922 02:12:32,480 --> 02:12:34,159 good luck. 2923 02:12:34,159 --> 02:12:36,880 >> Move on. 2924 02:12:36,880 --> 02:12:38,560 >> You don't like the idea of just offering 2925 02:12:38,560 --> 02:12:39,440 it? 2926 02:12:39,440 --> 02:12:41,920 um 2927 02:12:41,920 --> 02:12:45,280 that at the I can just imagine like 2928 02:12:45,280 --> 02:12:47,679 weird things happening there. It's it's 2929 02:12:47,679 --> 02:12:49,199 there's a policy that can be really 2930 02:12:49,199 --> 02:12:51,920 clear, but um 2931 02:12:51,920 --> 02:12:54,239 to put staff in charge of like deciding 2932 02:12:54,239 --> 02:12:57,119 when a council member qualifies for that 2933 02:12:57,119 --> 02:12:59,199 pool of money, when they don't. 2934 02:12:59,199 --> 02:13:00,159 Um, 2935 02:13:00,159 --> 02:13:06,480 >> it is it is it okay to to not to uh to 2936 02:13:06,480 --> 02:13:09,199 offer it but not put it in the budget? 2937 02:13:09,199 --> 02:13:10,800 >> Nope. 2938 02:13:10,800 --> 02:13:13,199 >> I I mean assume like 2939 02:13:13,199 --> 02:13:14,400 >> you would have to assume that. 2940 02:13:14,400 --> 02:13:15,760 >> Does he do a budget amendment? 2941 02:13:15,760 --> 02:13:17,520 >> Yeah, that would just come up as a 2942 02:13:17,520 --> 02:13:18,800 budget amendment. 2943 02:13:18,800 --> 02:13:21,280 >> If someone if someone 2944 02:13:21,280 --> 02:13:23,199 elected to have health insurance, 2945 02:13:23,199 --> 02:13:23,520 >> right, 2946 02:13:23,520 --> 02:13:25,360 >> and it made us go over budget, it would 2947 02:13:25,360 --> 02:13:27,440 show up as a budget amendment. 2948 02:13:27,440 --> 02:13:30,079 >> Okay. But my point is like if we were to 2949 02:13:30,079 --> 02:13:32,960 change it and allow it, is there a way 2950 02:13:32,960 --> 02:13:36,239 to allow it without increasing like the 2951 02:13:36,239 --> 02:13:38,560 budget for it because you know that none 2952 02:13:38,560 --> 02:13:40,320 of us are going to do it this year? 2953 02:13:40,320 --> 02:13:41,360 >> Yes. 2954 02:13:41,360 --> 02:13:43,440 >> That's my question. Like 2955 02:13:43,440 --> 02:13:45,679 >> it's not very 2956 02:13:45,679 --> 02:13:47,840 cards on the table of you, but yes. 2957 02:13:47,840 --> 02:13:49,679 Oh, I think it is because then like the 2958 02:13:49,679 --> 02:13:52,800 year like assuming that like assuming 2959 02:13:52,800 --> 02:13:54,880 that we get somebody on that wants to 2960 02:13:54,880 --> 02:13:57,119 take advantage of it, there would be a 2961 02:13:57,119 --> 02:14:00,400 rule that they can't activate it until 2962 02:14:00,400 --> 02:14:03,679 the next budget cycle and you would 2963 02:14:03,679 --> 02:14:07,280 include it in that budget. 2964 02:14:07,280 --> 02:14:08,880 >> That's basically what I was saying. 2965 02:14:08,880 --> 02:14:09,520 >> Okay, follow 2966 02:14:09,520 --> 02:14:11,520 >> if there if there's six people and only 2967 02:14:11,520 --> 02:14:13,840 two, then put the two in for the budget 2968 02:14:13,840 --> 02:14:15,840 >> that year. But but just make a make a 2969 02:14:15,840 --> 02:14:17,920 rule on the ordinance or whatever on the 2970 02:14:17,920 --> 02:14:19,920 whatever we do that like if you want to 2971 02:14:19,920 --> 02:14:21,440 do it if you want to elect to do it you 2972 02:14:21,440 --> 02:14:24,239 can't you can't do it until the next 2973 02:14:24,239 --> 02:14:26,239 budget cycle. So then you have a clear 2974 02:14:26,239 --> 02:14:27,199 understanding. 2975 02:14:27,199 --> 02:14:29,360 >> I'm I don't know the rules of health 2976 02:14:29,360 --> 02:14:31,119 insurance. I'm not sure that's legal. 2977 02:14:31,119 --> 02:14:32,639 >> You can only do it once a year. There's 2978 02:14:32,639 --> 02:14:34,560 open enrollment 2979 02:14:34,560 --> 02:14:37,280 when there's life changes and if you're 2980 02:14:37,280 --> 02:14:38,000 new hire. 2981 02:14:38,000 --> 02:14:39,520 >> Yeah. So you'd only be able Yeah. You'd 2982 02:14:39,520 --> 02:14:41,520 be counting as a new hire. Right. 2983 02:14:41,520 --> 02:14:42,079 >> Right. 2984 02:14:42,079 --> 02:14:43,760 >> Yeah. Well, what if somebody wants life 2985 02:14:43,760 --> 02:14:45,360 insurance? 2986 02:14:45,360 --> 02:14:45,920 >> What? 2987 02:14:45,920 --> 02:14:47,040 >> Huh? 2988 02:14:47,040 --> 02:14:48,320 >> I'm just saying there are benefits that 2989 02:14:48,320 --> 02:14:49,840 the city offers 2990 02:14:49,840 --> 02:14:52,800 >> that the council isn't isn't um privy 2991 02:14:52,800 --> 02:14:54,560 to. So, if someone says, well, I don't 2992 02:14:54,560 --> 02:14:56,159 really want medical insurance, but you 2993 02:14:56,159 --> 02:14:57,280 know what? I'd really like a life 2994 02:14:57,280 --> 02:14:59,199 insurance policy. How do you handle 2995 02:14:59,199 --> 02:15:01,440 that? Or I'd really like So, I'm just 2996 02:15:01,440 --> 02:15:03,679 saying, is there a way to put it in to 2997 02:15:03,679 --> 02:15:05,760 codify it so that it is a fair system? 2998 02:15:05,760 --> 02:15:07,119 We don't need to spend all day talking 2999 02:15:07,119 --> 02:15:08,880 about it, but sorry, 3000 02:15:08,880 --> 02:15:10,719 >> but let's talk about it as we move 3001 02:15:10,719 --> 02:15:13,760 forward. And if there's enough sense 3002 02:15:13,760 --> 02:15:15,520 sentiment that we don't need it included 3003 02:15:15,520 --> 02:15:18,159 in our tenative budget discussion next 3004 02:15:18,159 --> 02:15:20,480 council meeting, then let's remove it. 3005 02:15:20,480 --> 02:15:22,000 >> Or if we want to be able to have the 3006 02:15:22,000 --> 02:15:23,679 conversation in the public and say, you 3007 02:15:23,679 --> 02:15:24,960 know what, this is what we're giving up 3008 02:15:24,960 --> 02:15:27,199 as a council because we're helping the 3009 02:15:27,199 --> 02:15:30,079 budget. Great. 3010 02:15:30,079 --> 02:15:31,440 >> Yeah. 3011 02:15:31,440 --> 02:15:32,960 >> So, do we still need to do a straw poll, 3012 02:15:32,960 --> 02:15:34,400 Jason? Um, 3013 02:15:34,400 --> 02:15:35,920 >> mayor, would you want to do a straw poll 3014 02:15:35,920 --> 02:15:38,159 on that? Just 3015 02:15:38,159 --> 02:15:41,360 >> let's do it. I'm I'm a No. 3016 02:15:41,360 --> 02:15:43,440 Uh, if no means taking it off, then I 3017 02:15:43,440 --> 02:15:45,040 also am going to 3018 02:15:45,040 --> 02:15:46,480 >> Is that what you meant by no? 3019 02:15:46,480 --> 02:15:47,440 >> Yeah, maybe. 3020 02:15:47,440 --> 02:15:49,040 >> Yeah. No. 3021 02:15:49,040 --> 02:15:50,480 >> Oh, sorry, John. For your 3022 02:15:50,480 --> 02:15:53,990 >> Oh, that's fine. 3023 02:15:54,000 --> 02:15:55,840 » I kind of missed that. I didn't really 3024 02:15:55,840 --> 02:15:56,079 hear 3025 02:15:56,079 --> 02:15:58,320 >> whether yes or no to including the 3026 02:15:58,320 --> 02:15:59,840 council insurance in the tenative 3027 02:15:59,840 --> 02:16:01,440 budget. 3028 02:16:01,440 --> 02:16:03,280 >> Yeah. 3029 02:16:03,280 --> 02:16:04,159 >> Yes. Include it. 3030 02:16:04,159 --> 02:16:05,040 >> Oh, no. 3031 02:16:05,040 --> 02:16:06,880 >> No, incl not included. Okay. 3032 02:16:06,880 --> 02:16:08,400 >> Include not right now. 3033 02:16:08,400 --> 02:16:08,880 >> Okay. 3034 02:16:08,880 --> 02:16:09,599 >> Not this year. 3035 02:16:09,599 --> 02:16:14,870 >> No. See? Okay. Now I have pet insurance. 3036 02:16:14,880 --> 02:16:15,599 » That's not bad. 3037 02:16:15,599 --> 02:16:18,000 >> But but I do think we should 3038 02:16:18,000 --> 02:16:20,960 specifically 3039 02:16:20,960 --> 02:16:23,440 do extremely expensive horses. 3040 02:16:23,440 --> 02:16:25,119 >> Jason, we could include it though with 3041 02:16:25,119 --> 02:16:26,480 an asterisk that we've had a 3042 02:16:26,480 --> 02:16:28,560 conversation about. This is offered in 3043 02:16:28,560 --> 02:16:30,960 other cities. We are saying no to it 3044 02:16:30,960 --> 02:16:34,240 because I do think it l it tells a story 3045 02:16:34,240 --> 02:16:37,760 about us really wanting to be basic 3046 02:16:37,760 --> 02:16:41,120 here. I I I think that's exactly right. 3047 02:16:41,120 --> 02:16:43,359 I think it came up as a discussion point 3048 02:16:43,359 --> 02:16:45,280 as, you know, we start looking at other 3049 02:16:45,280 --> 02:16:46,960 communities in Davis County trying to 3050 02:16:46,960 --> 02:16:48,880 understand 3051 02:16:48,880 --> 02:16:51,359 >> how everybody's operating and and what 3052 02:16:51,359 --> 02:16:53,280 average means for a lot of things and 3053 02:16:53,280 --> 02:16:55,120 that that was one of the things that was 3054 02:16:55,120 --> 02:17:00,230 identified. So, 3055 02:17:00,240 --> 02:17:03,359 » yeah, absolutely. I we try to look at 3056 02:17:03,359 --> 02:17:05,120 other cities in Davis County and what's 3057 02:17:05,120 --> 02:17:07,599 going on and uh when that comes to staff 3058 02:17:07,599 --> 02:17:10,479 council the same thing. So um we did 3059 02:17:10,479 --> 02:17:13,359 find uh a number of cities I think 3060 02:17:13,359 --> 02:17:15,280 Clearfield 3061 02:17:15,280 --> 02:17:16,399 um and there were at least a couple 3062 02:17:16,399 --> 02:17:18,000 others that I found that did offer 3063 02:17:18,000 --> 02:17:20,559 council insurance. So um it's definitely 3064 02:17:20,559 --> 02:17:23,200 not unusual. So we'll go ahead and take 3065 02:17:23,200 --> 02:17:26,000 that out though for this year and uh 3066 02:17:26,000 --> 02:17:27,359 come back to council with these other 3067 02:17:27,359 --> 02:17:28,160 items. 3068 02:17:28,160 --> 02:17:29,359 >> Each preach 3069 02:17:29,359 --> 02:17:30,880 >> um 3070 02:17:30,880 --> 02:17:33,840 yours is 3071 02:17:33,840 --> 02:17:37,669 >> um Oh, 3072 02:17:37,679 --> 02:17:40,160 » we're still proposing that we would not 3073 02:17:40,160 --> 02:17:42,719 dip into to fund balance any further 3074 02:17:42,719 --> 02:17:45,439 even if we remove the $141,000 3075 02:17:45,439 --> 02:17:48,240 from from what's proposed there for 3076 02:17:48,240 --> 02:17:51,359 council insurance. Um 3077 02:17:51,359 --> 02:17:53,519 our our our recommendation is that we 3078 02:17:53,519 --> 02:17:56,479 still keep the TNT at the same $1.795 3079 02:17:56,479 --> 02:17:59,359 million the same as last year. So we 3080 02:17:59,359 --> 02:18:02,559 still a 0% increase from last year if 3081 02:18:02,559 --> 02:18:05,519 you will. Is that that's our plan? 3082 02:18:05,519 --> 02:18:07,599 >> My proposal is that the council gets 3083 02:18:07,599 --> 02:18:09,280 together and has another work session 3084 02:18:09,280 --> 02:18:14,880 before next Thursday. And I would I would say as soon as Abby would 3085 02:18:14,880 --> 02:18:17,840 be available on any given night so that 3086 02:18:17,840 --> 02:18:19,519 she can be there cuz I know she's got 3087 02:18:19,519 --> 02:18:20,000 school. 3088 02:18:20,000 --> 02:18:23,040 >> I'm I I finish finals. So I'm available. 3089 02:18:23,040 --> 02:18:23,760 >> She's an attorney 3090 02:18:23,760 --> 02:18:24,479 >> all the time. 3091 02:18:24,479 --> 02:18:26,479 >> She's she's an 3092 02:18:26,479 --> 02:18:28,559 baby attorney. Not really. 3093 02:18:28,559 --> 02:18:30,399 >> Yeah, I I second that. I'd like to have 3094 02:18:30,399 --> 02:18:31,359 another session 3095 02:18:31,359 --> 02:18:34,559 >> because and I'll tell you why. And and 3096 02:18:34,559 --> 02:18:36,080 we've never we we've had your 3097 02:18:36,080 --> 02:18:37,840 presentations. Thank you. They've been 3098 02:18:37,840 --> 02:18:39,359 great. But we've never actually been 3099 02:18:39,359 --> 02:18:41,120 able to sit as a council now 3100 02:18:41,120 --> 02:18:43,439 individually and discuss the budget 3101 02:18:43,439 --> 02:18:44,960 because 3102 02:18:44,960 --> 02:18:47,519 this really troubles me. This is what 3103 02:18:47,519 --> 02:18:50,800 scares me. I look at what our general 3104 02:18:50,800 --> 02:18:54,240 fund budget was in 2023. 3105 02:18:54,240 --> 02:18:58,800 And in 2023 compared to 2027 3106 02:18:58,800 --> 02:19:01,920 when CO was over in 2023. So that excuse 3107 02:19:01,920 --> 02:19:05,679 can't be used anymore from 2023. What 3108 02:19:05,679 --> 02:19:10,880 really concerns me is this is a 33% 32% 3109 02:19:10,880 --> 02:19:14,479 tax increase, but we are still 1.6 3110 02:19:14,479 --> 02:19:17,840 million short because we're using fund 3111 02:19:17,840 --> 02:19:21,439 balance. So then this goes from here to 3112 02:19:21,439 --> 02:19:25,439 here. What does it do after next year? 3113 02:19:25,439 --> 02:19:28,399 Because this is only going to cover half 3114 02:19:28,399 --> 02:19:29,599 of that. 3115 02:19:29,599 --> 02:19:30,880 >> You're right. 3116 02:19:30,880 --> 02:19:35,040 >> And so it becomes very scary to me. So, 3117 02:19:35,040 --> 02:19:37,519 I think we need to make as a council, we 3118 02:19:37,519 --> 02:19:39,040 need to make some decisions and we need 3119 02:19:39,040 --> 02:19:40,479 to look at spending and if there are 3120 02:19:40,479 --> 02:19:43,359 cuts that need to be made because the 3121 02:19:43,359 --> 02:19:46,880 way the state law reads, your budget 3122 02:19:46,880 --> 02:19:50,560 come June when you propose your budget 3123 02:19:50,560 --> 02:19:52,880 technically should not be any higher 3124 02:19:52,880 --> 02:19:54,960 than your revenues 3125 02:19:54,960 --> 02:19:57,280 unless you do truth and taxation. But in 3126 02:19:57,280 --> 02:20:00,240 reality, the law states your budget 3127 02:20:00,240 --> 02:20:03,359 should be when you adopt your budget, it 3128 02:20:03,359 --> 02:20:07,200 should reach your revenue. 3129 02:20:07,200 --> 02:20:09,680 That's the law. Okay? The only exception 3130 02:20:09,680 --> 02:20:12,240 to that is if you do truth in taxation. 3131 02:20:12,240 --> 02:20:15,439 Well, this even if we do truth in 3132 02:20:15,439 --> 02:20:18,080 taxation, we're still not even close to 3133 02:20:18,080 --> 02:20:21,280 meeting our revenues and our budget 3134 02:20:21,280 --> 02:20:23,520 because we're taking that money and 3135 02:20:23,520 --> 02:20:25,600 we're making this. If we did this again 3136 02:20:25,600 --> 02:20:27,359 next year and next year, 3137 02:20:27,359 --> 02:20:30,479 >> we'd be zero. 3138 02:20:30,479 --> 02:20:32,240 >> It's a recommendation that you have at 3139 02:20:32,240 --> 02:20:34,800 least how many months in your 3140 02:20:34,800 --> 02:20:36,000 >> two. 3141 02:20:36,000 --> 02:20:38,000 >> What is our operation? Monthly 3142 02:20:38,000 --> 02:20:42,080 operations. It's not operating about 1.5 3143 02:20:42,080 --> 02:20:42,800 something. 3144 02:20:42,800 --> 02:20:43,359 >> Yeah. 3145 02:20:43,359 --> 02:20:44,720 >> You got to do the numbers. Chiefs don't 3146 02:20:44,720 --> 02:20:45,920 like it when I say numbers. 3147 02:20:45,920 --> 02:20:50,000 >> The minimum is 4.5. So it's like 2.3 3148 02:20:50,000 --> 02:20:50,560 >> two. 3149 02:20:50,560 --> 02:20:53,680 >> So we need at least 4.4 at least. So, 3150 02:20:53,680 --> 02:20:55,520 we're going to drop below that next 3151 02:20:55,520 --> 02:20:56,080 year. 3152 02:20:56,080 --> 02:20:57,439 >> Correct. 3153 02:20:57,439 --> 02:21:00,640 >> So, we need to take a really hard I 3154 02:21:00,640 --> 02:21:02,880 don't want to be known as the council 3155 02:21:02,880 --> 02:21:05,120 that broke the citizens of Kesville 3156 02:21:05,120 --> 02:21:10,479 City. I don't because we overspend and overspend. 3157 02:21:10,479 --> 02:21:13,359 >> I I agree with what you're saying. I 3158 02:21:13,359 --> 02:21:15,680 also think that had we done truth and 3159 02:21:15,680 --> 02:21:18,080 taxation consistently over the last six, 3160 02:21:18,080 --> 02:21:21,120 seven years, very incrementally to keep 3161 02:21:21,120 --> 02:21:23,040 up with inflation and the cost of 3162 02:21:23,040 --> 02:21:25,280 living, we would not be looking at those 3163 02:21:25,280 --> 02:21:26,800 numbers right now. 3164 02:21:26,800 --> 02:21:29,280 >> I I understand what you're saying, but 3165 02:21:29,280 --> 02:21:31,359 we have raised taxes. I've done at least 3166 02:21:31,359 --> 02:21:32,720 three times as I 3167 02:21:32,720 --> 02:21:34,479 >> Well, we have we have, Mike, but we've 3168 02:21:34,479 --> 02:21:36,800 also done hiring freezes and we've also 3169 02:21:36,800 --> 02:21:38,319 said we're not doing anything. Well, 3170 02:21:38,319 --> 02:21:40,240 that puts us behind every time we have 3171 02:21:40,240 --> 02:21:42,560 those conversations. CO is over but the 3172 02:21:42,560 --> 02:21:45,200 costs have not come down since co 3173 02:21:45,200 --> 02:21:47,760 >> I almost say then it's then we would 3174 02:21:47,760 --> 02:21:49,359 have because when you're talking about 3175 02:21:49,359 --> 02:21:50,960 incrementally you're talking about doing 3176 02:21:50,960 --> 02:21:52,399 small truth the taxation 3177 02:21:52,399 --> 02:21:54,319 >> I'm I'm saying keep up with inflation 3178 02:21:54,319 --> 02:21:55,359 because we have not done 3179 02:21:55,359 --> 02:21:57,600 >> whatever but 3180 02:21:57,600 --> 02:22:00,000 in the six or so years I've done where 3181 02:22:00,000 --> 02:22:01,760 we've done three at least so far that 3182 02:22:01,760 --> 02:22:04,399 means we just done three more six so 3183 02:22:04,399 --> 02:22:06,479 we've done a lot of tax 3184 02:22:06,479 --> 02:22:08,160 >> during those three during that time 3185 02:22:08,160 --> 02:22:10,479 we've also reduced our our tax rate is 3186 02:22:10,479 --> 02:22:11,439 lowered 3187 02:22:11,439 --> 02:22:13,120 So, so yes, there has been an offset. 3188 02:22:13,120 --> 02:22:14,960 Last year, our tax rate is lower than it 3189 02:22:14,960 --> 02:22:16,800 is this year. We're the third lowest 3190 02:22:16,800 --> 02:22:20,080 taxing entity in Utah in Davis County. 3191 02:22:20,080 --> 02:22:22,319 >> The tax rate number, that certified tax 3192 02:22:22,319 --> 02:22:24,479 rate number doesn't really mean anything 3193 02:22:24,479 --> 02:22:26,880 because it's based on valuations. The 3194 02:22:26,880 --> 02:22:28,720 money you get that you get from the 3195 02:22:28,720 --> 02:22:31,680 county in property taxes stays exactly 3196 02:22:31,680 --> 02:22:33,200 the same. If you get a million dollars 3197 02:22:33,200 --> 02:22:34,800 one year, you get a million other. the 3198 02:22:34,800 --> 02:22:37,520 valuations all go up on houses, then the 3199 02:22:37,520 --> 02:22:39,760 tax rate number goes down, but you still 3200 02:22:39,760 --> 02:22:40,800 get the million dollar. 3201 02:22:40,800 --> 02:22:42,720 >> I know, but my tax rate last year went 3202 02:22:42,720 --> 02:22:44,880 down. My tax bill went down. 3203 02:22:44,880 --> 02:22:45,920 >> Mike, what you have to 3204 02:22:45,920 --> 02:22:47,439 >> somebody else's went up. 3205 02:22:47,439 --> 02:22:49,439 >> No, no, that's not necessarily true 3206 02:22:49,439 --> 02:22:51,120 because if if 3207 02:22:51,120 --> 02:22:54,479 >> Well, if think if like 3208 02:22:54,479 --> 02:22:57,439 >> No, think if 200 homes were built. 3209 02:22:57,439 --> 02:23:01,200 >> Okay. So, now those 200 homes have to be 3210 02:23:01,200 --> 02:23:03,680 are going to be assessed property tax as 3211 02:23:03,680 --> 02:23:06,000 well. They're new. They're new to the 3212 02:23:06,000 --> 02:23:08,479 system. So, like you said, if it was the 3213 02:23:08,479 --> 02:23:10,399 million dollar, you're still taking the 3214 02:23:10,399 --> 02:23:12,960 million captures new growth. Yes. 3215 02:23:12,960 --> 02:23:16,080 >> No, no, no. I'm not saying no. 3216 02:23:16,080 --> 02:23:17,920 >> Listen to me. I'm 3217 02:23:17,920 --> 02:23:20,160 >> So, if you have uh if you have the 3218 02:23:20,160 --> 02:23:21,280 million dollars, 3219 02:23:21,280 --> 02:23:21,840 >> okay, 3220 02:23:21,840 --> 02:23:24,800 >> and 200 200 new homes get added, 3221 02:23:24,800 --> 02:23:26,399 >> you still can only grab the million 3222 02:23:26,399 --> 02:23:28,720 dollars. And now, that's that million's 3223 02:23:28,720 --> 02:23:31,840 now being distributed amongst the the 3224 02:23:31,840 --> 02:23:33,840 homes that were there before. and the 3225 02:23:33,840 --> 02:23:36,000 200 homes. So now that's why the rate 3226 02:23:36,000 --> 02:23:39,600 goes down because those 200 homes are 3227 02:23:39,600 --> 02:23:41,600 supplementing that amount. 3228 02:23:41,600 --> 02:23:44,240 >> Well, when we ra even if we raise even 3229 02:23:44,240 --> 02:23:47,040 if we had like an increase and Tammy, 3230 02:23:47,040 --> 02:23:48,640 you're for sure that's why it went that 3231 02:23:48,640 --> 02:23:50,560 stated that last year because we didn't 3232 02:23:50,560 --> 02:23:51,120 do anything, 3233 02:23:51,120 --> 02:23:54,319 >> right? But even the years when we do 3234 02:23:54,319 --> 02:23:57,600 hold truth in taxation and we go up, 3235 02:23:57,600 --> 02:24:02,479 you can still go up and yet those homes 3236 02:24:02,479 --> 02:24:04,640 captured enough of the percentage that 3237 02:24:04,640 --> 02:24:06,399 we haven't gone 3238 02:24:06,399 --> 02:24:08,640 >> higher than the city's been looking at 3239 02:24:08,640 --> 02:24:11,120 about a 1% growth. 3240 02:24:11,120 --> 02:24:14,240 >> Okay. But the Yeah. So the question is 3241 02:24:14,240 --> 02:24:16,240 but the dollars are what matter. It's 3242 02:24:16,240 --> 02:24:18,160 not the percentage, it's the dollars. 3243 02:24:18,160 --> 02:24:21,600 Cuz like if you have x amount of homes 3244 02:24:21,600 --> 02:24:22,880 And especially the homes that are going 3245 02:24:22,880 --> 02:24:24,160 in, they're million dollar. 3246 02:24:24,160 --> 02:24:25,359 >> If you're in our case, if you're getting 3247 02:24:25,359 --> 02:24:28,720 $5.9 million in property taxes, 3248 02:24:28,720 --> 02:24:29,439 >> right? 3249 02:24:29,439 --> 02:24:32,399 >> And you only have a 1% growth, you're 3250 02:24:32,399 --> 02:24:35,439 only going to get $59,000 3251 02:24:35,439 --> 02:24:37,920 more dollars with that new growth. 3252 02:24:37,920 --> 02:24:39,120 >> Okay? 3253 02:24:39,120 --> 02:24:41,280 >> But the advantage is you have you have 3254 02:24:41,280 --> 02:24:42,880 multi-million you have multi-million 3255 02:24:42,880 --> 02:24:46,800 dollar homes going in. So like the those 3256 02:24:46,800 --> 02:24:49,359 homes when they when they divvy up that 3257 02:24:49,359 --> 02:24:52,319 million dollars, they're going to pay a 3258 02:24:52,319 --> 02:24:54,479 higher percentage of that. 3259 02:24:54,479 --> 02:24:56,960 >> They pay whatever the valuation is of 3260 02:24:56,960 --> 02:24:59,439 their house and the certified tax. 3261 02:24:59,439 --> 02:25:02,240 >> That's the increase. That's it. So I 3262 02:25:02,240 --> 02:25:06,000 think I and I guess my big thing 3263 02:25:06,000 --> 02:25:07,840 is 3264 02:25:07,840 --> 02:25:09,920 to Mike's point like I feel like we have 3265 02:25:09,920 --> 02:25:11,840 to ask ourselves 3266 02:25:11,840 --> 02:25:14,479 a a question and it's the answer is 3267 02:25:14,479 --> 02:25:17,359 either two like there's only two answers 3268 02:25:17,359 --> 02:25:19,680 in my opinion. The question is why have 3269 02:25:19,680 --> 02:25:22,960 we why have we doubled or almost tripled 3270 02:25:22,960 --> 02:25:26,319 what we what we've done in the last six, 3271 02:25:26,319 --> 02:25:29,120 seven years since we've been on? And I 3272 02:25:29,120 --> 02:25:32,319 think the answer is either either we've 3273 02:25:32,319 --> 02:25:37,280 been suckers or previous councils didn't 3274 02:25:37,280 --> 02:25:39,120 do what they need to be done because 3275 02:25:39,120 --> 02:25:42,319 like we we hired a city attorney and 3276 02:25:42,319 --> 02:25:45,359 then we hired a second city attorney in 3277 02:25:45,359 --> 02:25:49,040 our six years, right? So, should that 3278 02:25:49,040 --> 02:25:52,319 city of attorney have been hired 3279 02:25:52,319 --> 02:25:55,200 10, 15 years before we got on council? 3280 02:25:55,200 --> 02:25:55,760 >> Yes. 3281 02:25:55,760 --> 02:25:58,160 >> And the second attorney would happen 3282 02:25:58,160 --> 02:26:01,040 within our purview, uh, should the 3283 02:26:01,040 --> 02:26:02,720 chiefs and the different, you know, all 3284 02:26:02,720 --> 02:26:05,280 the different things been added on back 3285 02:26:05,280 --> 02:26:07,920 in the day and we're just taking the hit 3286 02:26:07,920 --> 02:26:13,120 or are we just the suckers who've given 3287 02:26:13,120 --> 02:26:15,040 everything? So, I think that that we 3288 02:26:15,040 --> 02:26:16,240 have to answer that question 3289 02:26:16,240 --> 02:26:17,840 >> and I understand what you're saying, but 3290 02:26:17,840 --> 02:26:19,920 I hope you understand what I'm really 3291 02:26:19,920 --> 02:26:24,710 the point I'm trying to make here is 3292 02:26:24,720 --> 02:26:26,640 » we've we're going to make up we got to 3293 02:26:26,640 --> 02:26:29,439 make up $3 million just to balance our 3294 02:26:29,439 --> 02:26:32,319 budget. That's it. Just to balance our 3295 02:26:32,319 --> 02:26:35,680 budget. And that's using 1.7 of fund 3296 02:26:35,680 --> 02:26:38,960 balance, which we cannot afford to do. 3297 02:26:38,960 --> 02:26:42,319 So, we got to figure out if we have a 3298 02:26:42,319 --> 02:26:46,080 spending problem or what we're we what's 3299 02:26:46,080 --> 02:26:48,000 going on because we can't just 3300 02:26:48,000 --> 02:26:51,520 constantly keep asking our neighbors to 3301 02:26:51,520 --> 02:26:53,520 pay our bills 3302 02:26:53,520 --> 02:26:55,040 and that's what we're doing it seems 3303 02:26:55,040 --> 02:26:57,680 like all the time. So, that's why I 3304 02:26:57,680 --> 02:26:58,960 think the council just needs to get 3305 02:26:58,960 --> 02:27:00,800 together. these department heads don't 3306 02:27:00,800 --> 02:27:03,280 need to be here and let's have a a 3307 02:27:03,280 --> 02:27:05,280 discussion and figure out where we're 3308 02:27:05,280 --> 02:27:07,680 going, where we headed. 3309 02:27:07,680 --> 02:27:11,439 Because in reality, this 32% tax 3310 02:27:11,439 --> 02:27:13,840 increase you're doing this year, you'd 3311 02:27:13,840 --> 02:27:16,960 have to do the exact same one next year 3312 02:27:16,960 --> 02:27:19,680 just to get to this year's budget. 3313 02:27:19,680 --> 02:27:20,399 That's it. 3314 02:27:20,399 --> 02:27:21,760 >> And that's if you're not doing the 3315 02:27:21,760 --> 02:27:22,880 station. 3316 02:27:22,880 --> 02:27:24,560 >> That's if you're doing nothing. That's 3317 02:27:24,560 --> 02:27:26,319 if you do zero. 3318 02:27:26,319 --> 02:27:28,880 >> The next three years will be 30 songs. 3319 02:27:28,880 --> 02:27:31,200 It would be 60. 3320 02:27:31,200 --> 02:27:31,600 >> Oh, 3321 02:27:31,600 --> 02:27:32,240 >> yeah. 3322 02:27:32,240 --> 02:27:34,240 >> Well, I think this year is a moment or 3323 02:27:34,240 --> 02:27:35,520 last year was too because of the 3324 02:27:35,520 --> 02:27:37,600 fieldhouse commitment that we made. 3325 02:27:37,600 --> 02:27:39,920 >> That that that was rare. We had to do 3326 02:27:39,920 --> 02:27:41,280 that quick. We had to make a quick 3327 02:27:41,280 --> 02:27:42,479 decision on that 3328 02:27:42,479 --> 02:27:44,240 >> commitment that we made and now we have 3329 02:27:44,240 --> 02:27:46,080 to live with it. But it's a good thing. 3330 02:27:46,080 --> 02:27:47,600 I'm not saying that's a bad thing. 3331 02:27:47,600 --> 02:27:48,800 >> I also think it's important to note that 3332 02:27:48,800 --> 02:27:50,160 the fieldhouse was a fairly small 3333 02:27:50,160 --> 02:27:51,840 percentage of that increase. A lot of it 3334 02:27:51,840 --> 02:27:52,319 was 3335 02:27:52,319 --> 02:27:54,560 >> like $8 per house, right? 3336 02:27:54,560 --> 02:27:55,920 >> It was a small percentage of it. 3337 02:27:55,920 --> 02:27:57,600 >> $368,000. 3338 02:27:57,600 --> 02:27:58,399 >> Well, Yes. 3339 02:27:58,399 --> 02:28:00,880 >> Fieldhouse was paid for a lot of a tax 3340 02:28:00,880 --> 02:28:03,680 that we didn't have 3 years prior. 3341 02:28:03,680 --> 02:28:04,640 >> Yeah, 3342 02:28:04,640 --> 02:28:05,680 >> that's true. 3343 02:28:05,680 --> 02:28:07,359 >> When do we have to start paying on the 3344 02:28:07,359 --> 02:28:09,359 fieldhouse? Like when do they expect 3345 02:28:09,359 --> 02:28:10,160 their money? 3346 02:28:10,160 --> 02:28:11,600 >> When it's done. 3347 02:28:11,600 --> 02:28:13,280 >> Well, for sure. 3348 02:28:13,280 --> 02:28:20,070 >> So, the last break it'll be the next 3349 02:28:20,080 --> 02:28:21,280 » next fiscal year. 3350 02:28:21,280 --> 02:28:22,000 >> Not this year. 3351 02:28:22,000 --> 02:28:23,439 >> So, we don't have to budget for it this 3352 02:28:23,439 --> 02:28:26,000 year. 3353 02:28:26,000 --> 02:28:27,040 >> Start saving for it. 3354 02:28:27,040 --> 02:28:28,640 >> Why? evidence gets distributed. 3355 02:28:28,640 --> 02:28:32,640 >> We we we don't technically have to I 3356 02:28:32,640 --> 02:28:34,319 mean we've already committed to the 3357 02:28:34,319 --> 02:28:36,479 school district that we are doing this. 3358 02:28:36,479 --> 02:28:38,720 We've all we did a head nod. We all 3359 02:28:38,720 --> 02:28:40,000 agreed to that. 3360 02:28:40,000 --> 02:28:41,120 >> We are committed question. 3361 02:28:41,120 --> 02:28:43,760 >> No, I don't think but I think that we 3362 02:28:43,760 --> 02:28:46,720 could in in theory we could we could 3363 02:28:46,720 --> 02:28:48,479 tell them 3364 02:28:48,479 --> 02:28:50,000 >> we will start our payments next year. 3365 02:28:50,000 --> 02:28:51,280 >> Year that you start making it. 3366 02:28:51,280 --> 02:28:53,120 >> We could start our payments next year. 3367 02:28:53,120 --> 02:28:54,640 >> Yeah. But that would mean that we would 3368 02:28:54,640 --> 02:28:56,640 have to have the same discussion again 3369 02:28:56,640 --> 02:28:57,680 next year 3370 02:28:57,680 --> 02:29:01,040 >> and instead of 32% it would be maybe 15% 3371 02:29:01,040 --> 02:29:02,399 this year 3372 02:29:02,399 --> 02:29:04,160 >> because we wouldn't have that bond 3373 02:29:04,160 --> 02:29:06,080 payment included 3374 02:29:06,080 --> 02:29:09,120 >> unless the fire unless the fire station 3375 02:29:09,120 --> 02:29:09,760 passes. 3376 02:29:09,760 --> 02:29:11,760 >> The fieldhouse is so small I don't even 3377 02:29:11,760 --> 02:29:13,520 think it would take it down 15%. Sorry 3378 02:29:13,520 --> 02:29:14,319 mayor I didn't mean to 3379 02:29:14,319 --> 02:29:16,720 >> Well, no. I mean I'm just saying the 3380 02:29:16,720 --> 02:29:18,479 reality is we 3381 02:29:18,479 --> 02:29:20,479 >> we we have some good decisions to make 3382 02:29:20,479 --> 02:29:22,000 and that's why we need another meeting. 3383 02:29:22,000 --> 02:29:23,200 Good. To your point, Mike, we need 3384 02:29:23,200 --> 02:29:24,399 another 3385 02:29:24,399 --> 02:29:25,680 >> I mean six and a half%. 3386 02:29:25,680 --> 02:29:28,080 >> There's a a lot of these things. I mean, 3387 02:29:28,080 --> 02:29:29,680 this is not even talking about the 3388 02:29:29,680 --> 02:29:31,359 increases that we've talked about all 3389 02:29:31,359 --> 02:29:33,040 today, the enterprise funds. This is 3390 02:29:33,040 --> 02:29:35,520 just the general operating budget. 3391 02:29:35,520 --> 02:29:36,479 >> Okay? 3392 02:29:36,479 --> 02:29:38,880 >> We're not even talking about the 6.4 3393 02:29:38,880 --> 02:29:41,040 million to the operations center. We're 3394 02:29:41,040 --> 02:29:44,479 not even talking about the $300 annually 3395 02:29:44,479 --> 02:29:45,920 right now that people are going to get 3396 02:29:45,920 --> 02:29:48,960 in their utilities. We're not even 3397 02:29:48,960 --> 02:29:52,720 talking about a lot of things that are 3398 02:29:52,720 --> 02:29:57,760 in addition to that. So, 3399 02:29:57,760 --> 02:30:00,160 I just we need to meet and we need to 3400 02:30:00,160 --> 02:30:02,000 sit down and hash out. 3401 02:30:02,000 --> 02:30:03,760 >> That's Tuesday night. Look for 3402 02:30:03,760 --> 02:30:05,439 everybody. We got uh the fire station 3403 02:30:05,439 --> 02:30:08,720 meeting on Friday night with the 3404 02:30:08,720 --> 02:30:10,319 uh stakeholder meeting. 3405 02:30:10,319 --> 02:30:11,200 >> Wednesday. 3406 02:30:11,200 --> 02:30:13,600 >> Sorry. Geez. Say one thing. and think 3407 02:30:13,600 --> 02:30:16,000 another uh Wednesday night is is the 3408 02:30:16,000 --> 02:30:17,920 fire station meeting. Uh so Tuesday 3409 02:30:17,920 --> 02:30:20,000 would be an opening. 3410 02:30:20,000 --> 02:30:22,319 >> Tuesday the 5th. 3411 02:30:22,319 --> 02:30:23,520 >> and we could have tacos. 3412 02:30:23,520 --> 02:30:24,800 >> I hope you understand where I'm coming 3413 02:30:24,800 --> 02:30:26,319 from because I'm sitting here looking at 3414 02:30:26,319 --> 02:30:28,240 this and looking at that and then I'm 3415 02:30:28,240 --> 02:30:30,000 saying now I'm going to talk about 3416 02:30:30,000 --> 02:30:31,920 adding an additional 3417 02:30:31,920 --> 02:30:32,560 >> meaning. 3418 02:30:32,560 --> 02:30:34,240 >> Give it the numbers right. I thought the 3419 02:30:34,240 --> 02:30:36,800 bond payment was about 1 point was about 3420 02:30:36,800 --> 02:30:39,920 1.4 million a year on a fire station. 3421 02:30:39,920 --> 02:30:40,880 >> I'm not right. 3422 02:30:40,880 --> 02:30:41,920 >> Say 1.2. 3423 02:30:41,920 --> 02:30:47,120 >> 1.2. Okay. 1.2 personnel would be 2.2 3424 02:30:47,120 --> 02:30:49,280 million a year. So we're talking an 3425 02:30:49,280 --> 02:30:52,000 additional 3.5 million. 3426 02:30:52,000 --> 02:30:53,439 >> I could do Tuesday. 3427 02:30:53,439 --> 02:30:55,200 >> Tuesday. 3428 02:30:55,200 --> 02:30:56,880 >> So what we're talking about here where 3429 02:30:56,880 --> 02:30:59,280 we're we're down, we're still talking 3430 02:30:59,280 --> 02:31:02,960 about an additional $3.5 million per 3431 02:31:02,960 --> 02:31:05,760 year in addition to being so far in the 3432 02:31:05,760 --> 02:31:09,200 hole here. So, this is what's really 3433 02:31:09,200 --> 02:31:12,560 nervingly scaring me to not be the 3434 02:31:12,560 --> 02:31:15,760 council that broke the city. Syracuse 3435 02:31:15,760 --> 02:31:18,240 did something similar to this about 15 3436 02:31:18,240 --> 02:31:21,439 years ago and it cost them dearly and 3437 02:31:21,439 --> 02:31:24,160 they had some really serious financial 3438 02:31:24,160 --> 02:31:26,399 issues for quite a while. 3439 02:31:26,399 --> 02:31:28,399 >> So, are you good with Tuesday? Might as 3440 02:31:28,399 --> 02:31:28,479 well. 3441 02:31:28,479 --> 02:31:30,240 >> I'm good with I told you I'll be here 3442 02:31:30,240 --> 02:31:31,760 whenever. 3443 02:31:31,760 --> 02:31:33,439 This is the most important thing that I 3444 02:31:33,439 --> 02:31:35,359 do for the people of Katisville. 3445 02:31:35,359 --> 02:31:38,080 >> Just as far as, you know, let's maybe 3446 02:31:38,080 --> 02:31:40,479 offline can talk about content. Just if 3447 02:31:40,479 --> 02:31:42,319 there's things we you want us to prepare 3448 02:31:42,319 --> 02:31:46,479 to bring uh for Tuesday night, we'll work on that. 3449 02:31:46,479 --> 02:31:49,680 >> How early could you do it? 3450 02:31:49,680 --> 02:31:51,520 >> Tuesday. I can do it. Anytime after 3451 02:31:51,520 --> 02:31:52,319 >> I mean 3452 02:31:52,319 --> 02:31:54,240 >> after three. 3453 02:31:54,240 --> 02:31:56,800 Is that an American 250 3454 02:31:56,800 --> 02:31:58,560 thing? I 3455 02:31:58,560 --> 02:32:01,600 three. You tell me. Six. 3456 02:32:01,600 --> 02:32:03,200 I'm good with at 9. 3457 02:32:03,200 --> 02:32:05,040 >> I can do it at 10 p.m. 3458 02:32:05,040 --> 02:32:08,080 >> It's we need 3459 02:32:08,080 --> 02:32:09,600 >> bring tacos. 3460 02:32:09,600 --> 02:32:11,040 >> And it's Tuesday, so 3461 02:32:11,040 --> 02:32:12,880 >> bring your own taco, by the way, cuz we 3462 02:32:12,880 --> 02:32:14,880 don't have any money for it. 3463 02:32:14,880 --> 02:32:16,560 >> So, bring your own dinner. 3464 02:32:16,560 --> 02:32:18,160 >> Oh, sack lunch. We don't have 3465 02:32:18,160 --> 02:32:20,080 >> sack lunch. 3466 02:32:20,080 --> 02:32:21,040 >> Okay. Okay. 3467 02:32:21,040 --> 02:32:22,880 >> So, what time on the 5th? 3468 02:32:22,880 --> 02:32:23,439 >> 6. 3469 02:32:23,439 --> 02:32:25,680 o'clock on secret. 3470 02:32:25,680 --> 02:32:29,200 >> Okay. Tuesday at 6. 3471 02:32:29,200 --> 02:32:30,880 >> Awesome. Send an invite. 3472 02:32:30,880 --> 02:32:32,399 >> I'll we'll send an invite. 3473 02:32:32,399 --> 02:32:32,960 >> Thank you. 3474 02:32:32,960 --> 02:32:36,870 >> Tuesday. 3475 02:32:36,880 --> 02:32:40,950 » Anyway, 3476 02:32:40,960 --> 02:32:42,800 » um 3477 02:32:42,800 --> 02:32:44,720 yeah, we can I think Councilman 3478 02:32:44,720 --> 02:32:47,760 Blackham, you raised a concern that we 3479 02:32:47,760 --> 02:32:50,800 all share, you know, staff m and I spent 3480 02:32:50,800 --> 02:32:53,760 a lot of kind of agonized over over this 3481 02:32:53,760 --> 02:32:55,680 as well. And hey, we've talked about so 3482 02:32:55,680 --> 02:32:57,840 often not wanting to just deplete drain 3483 02:32:57,840 --> 02:33:00,880 that fund balance. So, um I absolutely 3484 02:33:00,880 --> 02:33:03,760 think we need to be looking at that, 3485 02:33:03,760 --> 02:33:07,840 looking at future, uh impacts. Um so, 3486 02:33:07,840 --> 02:33:10,319 we'll we'll be ready to talk about that. 3487 02:33:10,319 --> 02:33:12,080 And maybe if you want to get together 3488 02:33:12,080 --> 02:33:13,520 before then even just to kind of make 3489 02:33:13,520 --> 02:33:14,880 sure we're going to hit on the things 3490 02:33:14,880 --> 02:33:17,600 that you want to ask about, we'll we'll 3491 02:33:17,600 --> 02:33:20,720 try to be prepared for that. 3492 02:33:20,720 --> 02:33:21,040 >> Um 3493 02:33:21,040 --> 02:33:22,880 >> I want to know how Kazville City's going 3494 02:33:22,880 --> 02:33:25,120 to pay for all this. I want to know how 3495 02:33:25,120 --> 02:33:26,800 they're actually going to pay for all 3496 02:33:26,800 --> 02:33:31,750 this without without 3497 02:33:31,760 --> 02:33:34,319 these people are 3498 02:33:34,319 --> 02:33:39,520 it costs a lot anymore to live and and 3499 02:33:39,520 --> 02:33:42,399 we're talking about one small part of 3500 02:33:42,399 --> 02:33:45,120 people's budgets. 3501 02:33:45,120 --> 02:33:47,439 They are their gas bills killing them. 3502 02:33:47,439 --> 02:33:49,840 Their grocery bills are killing them. 3503 02:33:49,840 --> 02:33:53,200 there everything is just and and if 3504 02:33:53,200 --> 02:33:57,040 there's a way that we can help them 3505 02:33:57,040 --> 02:34:00,399 reduce it, get our spending down, figure 3506 02:34:00,399 --> 02:34:02,720 out how to actually meet the law 3507 02:34:02,720 --> 02:34:05,439 requirement where our revenues without 3508 02:34:05,439 --> 02:34:08,479 raising our revenues every year meet our 3509 02:34:08,479 --> 02:34:11,359 budget requirements. And yeah, it might 3510 02:34:11,359 --> 02:34:14,160 mean that we have to cut back on a few 3511 02:34:14,160 --> 02:34:16,080 things. It may not mean that we can 3512 02:34:16,080 --> 02:34:18,800 provide all the services that we have 3513 02:34:18,800 --> 02:34:21,439 that we may not have provided 10 or 15 3514 02:34:21,439 --> 02:34:23,200 years ago and maybe there was a good 3515 02:34:23,200 --> 02:34:24,640 reason why we didn't provide them 3516 02:34:24,640 --> 02:34:26,160 because there was a cost to them and we 3517 02:34:26,160 --> 02:34:28,720 says we'll just go without and I get 3518 02:34:28,720 --> 02:34:30,880 that you want to provide all the best 3519 02:34:30,880 --> 02:34:33,600 services to everybody but not everybody. 3520 02:34:33,600 --> 02:34:35,280 I am curious, Mike, just because you've 3521 02:34:35,280 --> 02:34:37,200 been here a long time. What did we not 3522 02:34:37,200 --> 02:34:39,359 provide about six, seven years ago that 3523 02:34:39,359 --> 02:34:41,520 we do provide now? Cuz I've been around 3524 02:34:41,520 --> 02:34:43,200 for a while, too, and I can't think of 3525 02:34:43,200 --> 02:34:45,040 anything. We've cut out so many things. 3526 02:34:45,040 --> 02:34:46,960 We don't do the New Year's party 3527 02:34:46,960 --> 02:34:49,840 anymore. We don't do the um Christmas 3528 02:34:49,840 --> 02:34:51,760 tree lighting anymore. We don't There's 3529 02:34:51,760 --> 02:34:53,280 a lot of things that I see that we've 3530 02:34:53,280 --> 02:34:54,080 cut. 3531 02:34:54,080 --> 02:34:56,319 >> So, if you can think of things that we 3532 02:34:56,319 --> 02:34:58,399 also should cut, I'd love to know 3533 02:34:58,399 --> 02:35:00,479 because I don't know what they are. I 3534 02:35:00,479 --> 02:35:03,920 think the only thing that we I I it's 3535 02:35:03,920 --> 02:35:06,800 and please this recording you must 3536 02:35:06,800 --> 02:35:08,479 acknowledge that I am not saying 3537 02:35:08,479 --> 02:35:11,840 anything negative. It's employees. We've 3538 02:35:11,840 --> 02:35:13,200 increased the amount of employees. 3539 02:35:13,200 --> 02:35:15,920 are the increase Mike. It's 3540 02:35:15,920 --> 02:35:18,800 not services. It well it's it's the 3541 02:35:18,800 --> 02:35:20,720 paying the employees to do the work. 3542 02:35:20,720 --> 02:35:22,640 It's paying for the material that the 3543 02:35:22,640 --> 02:35:25,439 employees are using. 3544 02:35:25,439 --> 02:35:27,439 Last year the department report that we 3545 02:35:27,439 --> 02:35:30,720 had for public works paving cost had 3546 02:35:30,720 --> 02:35:36,800 gone up 400 plus% since 2019 to 2025. 3547 02:35:36,800 --> 02:35:39,359 Um and and certainly a massive part of 3548 02:35:39,359 --> 02:35:43,120 that of every city is is the employees 3549 02:35:43,120 --> 02:35:46,560 is salaries and wages. 3550 02:35:46,560 --> 02:35:48,960 >> It's it's the people and it's the 3551 02:35:48,960 --> 02:35:51,280 equipment that they use and the material 3552 02:35:51,280 --> 02:35:53,040 they use. And so 3553 02:35:53,040 --> 02:35:55,600 >> let's not kid ourselves that employees, 3554 02:35:55,600 --> 02:35:57,920 this is a service organization. That's 3555 02:35:57,920 --> 02:36:00,479 we provide services to residents, public 3556 02:36:00,479 --> 02:36:02,319 safety, water, 3557 02:36:02,319 --> 02:36:04,720 >> all these things. It's all people based. 3558 02:36:04,720 --> 02:36:06,720 Every city you're going to go to, 3559 02:36:06,720 --> 02:36:08,479 everyone you're going to find that's 3560 02:36:08,479 --> 02:36:10,000 obviously true because it's the same 3561 02:36:10,000 --> 02:36:15,120 thing. 70 80% of operating funds go to 3562 02:36:15,120 --> 02:36:16,720 pay the employees that provide those 3563 02:36:16,720 --> 02:36:19,040 services. So that that's you're right, 3564 02:36:19,040 --> 02:36:22,080 um, Council Member Adams. I mean, it is employees. And I hope you 3565 02:36:22,080 --> 02:36:24,560 understand that's why I'm so passionate 3566 02:36:24,560 --> 02:36:27,280 about taking care of the employees that 3567 02:36:27,280 --> 02:36:30,160 we have and not adding additional ones 3568 02:36:30,160 --> 02:36:32,479 because once you do it, it's that gift 3569 02:36:32,479 --> 02:36:35,200 you just never get to take away. But 3570 02:36:35,200 --> 02:36:37,600 when I see something like we saw with 3571 02:36:37,600 --> 02:36:41,200 the chief where we've added, you know, 3572 02:36:41,200 --> 02:36:43,520 each off like I explained to him, we we 3573 02:36:43,520 --> 02:36:46,880 have police officers and we've added two 3574 02:36:46,880 --> 02:36:49,040 or three or four in the last 10 years or 3575 02:36:49,040 --> 02:36:51,280 whatever, five. 3576 02:36:51,280 --> 02:36:53,439 Okay, so a police officer does so much 3577 02:36:53,439 --> 02:36:56,000 in a day. His workload doesn't it's it's 3578 02:36:56,000 --> 02:36:58,560 what it is every day. But when I saw 3579 02:36:58,560 --> 02:37:00,399 that horse secretary over there who used 3580 02:37:00,399 --> 02:37:03,840 to take recordings from 16 officers, now 3581 02:37:03,840 --> 02:37:06,560 taking recordings from 28 officers, 3582 02:37:06,560 --> 02:37:09,280 well, that's an obvious need for 3583 02:37:09,280 --> 02:37:12,479 something. Okay, I get that. But if it 3584 02:37:12,479 --> 02:37:14,080 means 3585 02:37:14,080 --> 02:37:16,640 maybe we don't need to start a new 3586 02:37:16,640 --> 02:37:19,120 program or something and hire more 3587 02:37:19,120 --> 02:37:20,479 employees, I don't know what that is. 3588 02:37:20,479 --> 02:37:23,120 We've also built more parks over the 3589 02:37:23,120 --> 02:37:25,680 years and and other I mean we've grown 3590 02:37:25,680 --> 02:37:28,319 as a city the services we provide like I 3591 02:37:28,319 --> 02:37:30,080 said at the beginning did I say this 3592 02:37:30,080 --> 02:37:31,680 like if we were a private businesses 3593 02:37:31,680 --> 02:37:33,439 first thing I do is I say man all these 3594 02:37:33,439 --> 02:37:34,800 parks are costing us money they're 3595 02:37:34,800 --> 02:37:36,160 bleeding some 3596 02:37:36,160 --> 02:37:38,399 >> so let's let's just you know sell those 3597 02:37:38,399 --> 02:37:39,760 part I mean I'm kidding obviously but 3598 02:37:39,760 --> 02:37:41,439 you know sell those parks develop those 3599 02:37:41,439 --> 02:37:43,439 you know saves us money on maintenance 3600 02:37:43,439 --> 02:37:46,240 but no we are providing more you know 3601 02:37:46,240 --> 02:37:48,319 Cole's team is is taking care of more 3602 02:37:48,319 --> 02:37:50,080 acreage than they've ever taken care of 3603 02:37:50,080 --> 02:37:52,240 you you know, for per employee and 3604 02:37:52,240 --> 02:37:54,319 they've had requests over many years of 3605 02:37:54,319 --> 02:37:56,080 adding staff to take care of these 3606 02:37:56,080 --> 02:37:58,800 additional grounds that we've added. 3607 02:37:58,800 --> 02:38:01,200 people all these things are, 3608 02:38:01,200 --> 02:38:02,720 you know, we talked about the attorney 3609 02:38:02,720 --> 02:38:05,680 last year and showed how Nick was doing 3610 02:38:05,680 --> 02:38:07,760 literally twice as many, you know, cases 3611 02:38:07,760 --> 02:38:09,920 as every other attorney in every other 3612 02:38:09,920 --> 02:38:12,399 city. And so there's reasons why 3613 02:38:12,399 --> 02:38:15,280 >> all these requests are being made. But 3614 02:38:15,280 --> 02:38:17,439 anyway, last slide. That's it. Oh, 3615 02:38:17,439 --> 02:38:19,760 >> just real quick, one question before we 3616 02:38:19,760 --> 02:38:21,680 get off this topic cuz we're off topic 3617 02:38:21,680 --> 02:38:23,439 and I feel like we can before we go back 3618 02:38:23,439 --> 02:38:25,680 on topic, we can stay off topic. 3619 02:38:25,680 --> 02:38:26,399 >> Chief, 3620 02:38:26,399 --> 02:38:26,800 >> yes. 3621 02:38:26,800 --> 02:38:30,880 >> Is uh you guys have had a hard time like 3622 02:38:30,880 --> 02:38:33,920 filling all of the police positions. 3623 02:38:33,920 --> 02:38:35,760 Correct. Like uh 3624 02:38:35,760 --> 02:38:37,040 >> we're we're full now. 3625 02:38:37,040 --> 02:38:37,920 >> Oh, you are full now. 3626 02:38:37,920 --> 02:38:41,280 >> We have our latest hires on training 3627 02:38:41,280 --> 02:38:42,000 right now. 3628 02:38:42,000 --> 02:38:47,520 >> Oh, okay. Okay. Cuz I Well, Bummer. I 3629 02:38:47,520 --> 02:38:49,840 just my thought was if we were if we 3630 02:38:49,840 --> 02:38:52,160 were going extended periods of time 3631 02:38:52,160 --> 02:38:54,479 where like we were too short or 3632 02:38:54,479 --> 02:38:57,280 something like that. My and if this if 3633 02:38:57,280 --> 02:38:59,600 that tends to happen in the future, I 3634 02:38:59,600 --> 02:39:03,520 guess my thought is is there ever a 3635 02:39:03,520 --> 02:39:05,200 point in time where you could look at it 3636 02:39:05,200 --> 02:39:10,960 and say, you know, like cuz I don't ever want to fire anybody at 3637 02:39:10,960 --> 02:39:12,640 all. like I don't want to take employees 3638 02:39:12,640 --> 02:39:16,800 from but we have to budget for the full 3639 02:39:16,800 --> 02:39:19,840 staff. And so my thought was if there's 3640 02:39:19,840 --> 02:39:21,600 ever a point in time where there isn't 3641 02:39:21,600 --> 02:39:24,960 an employee and you can think could I 3642 02:39:24,960 --> 02:39:29,920 get by without one of these officers 3643 02:39:29,920 --> 02:39:31,760 >> uh without backfilling it. And I know 3644 02:39:31,760 --> 02:39:33,520 that's asking a lot forever 3645 02:39:33,520 --> 02:39:35,840 >> well for a couple years or whatever like 3646 02:39:35,840 --> 02:39:37,760 as we try and get through this. I you 3647 02:39:37,760 --> 02:39:41,439 know those I guess that's the the ask 3648 02:39:41,439 --> 02:39:44,240 that I would ask of all the directors it 3649 02:39:44,240 --> 02:39:46,240 department heads is if there's any 3650 02:39:46,240 --> 02:39:48,399 positions that you're trying to fill 3651 02:39:48,399 --> 02:39:51,840 right now that have created that like 3652 02:39:51,840 --> 02:39:54,640 those are the opportunities to think 3653 02:39:54,640 --> 02:39:57,439 like is there a way that I could hire 3654 02:39:57,439 --> 02:40:00,960 somebody part-time uh to to do this or 3655 02:40:00,960 --> 02:40:02,560 is there a way that I could give the 3656 02:40:02,560 --> 02:40:05,120 people that are currently working for me 3657 02:40:05,120 --> 02:40:08,880 a raise to do some of these obligations 3658 02:40:08,880 --> 02:40:11,200 like I talked about that last meeting. 3659 02:40:11,200 --> 02:40:13,040 Like if if you're saying, "Hey, I still 3660 02:40:13,040 --> 02:40:14,880 have to fill this position and it's a 3661 02:40:14,880 --> 02:40:16,800 full-time position and it's going to 3662 02:40:16,800 --> 02:40:21,040 cost us 90 or 100 grand." Um, is there 3663 02:40:21,040 --> 02:40:22,640 are there a few people that you think 3664 02:40:22,640 --> 02:40:24,479 could take over those roles and give 3665 02:40:24,479 --> 02:40:28,000 each of them a $10,000 raise and that 3666 02:40:28,000 --> 02:40:32,880 saves us $60,000 in the long run? um to 3667 02:40:32,880 --> 02:40:36,160 keep that in mind before you fill an 3668 02:40:36,160 --> 02:40:39,040 empty position. I don't want anybody 3669 02:40:39,040 --> 02:40:41,439 being released for that purpose. But I 3670 02:40:41,439 --> 02:40:42,960 think that if we're trying to fill them, 3671 02:40:42,960 --> 02:40:44,080 I would hope that that could be 3672 02:40:44,080 --> 02:40:46,399 something you could think about. And I 3673 02:40:46,399 --> 02:40:49,040 think that it would also garner 3674 02:40:49,040 --> 02:40:50,880 uh you know, I mean, I think that those 3675 02:40:50,880 --> 02:40:53,760 employees that got those raises would 3676 02:40:53,760 --> 02:40:55,520 that would give them incentive to maybe 3677 02:40:55,520 --> 02:40:59,359 do more and also uh increase morale and 3678 02:40:59,359 --> 02:41:01,359 everything like that. But but it may be 3679 02:41:01,359 --> 02:41:03,439 that you can't do that. You know, 3680 02:41:03,439 --> 02:41:05,680 >> what would be the best way to to get 3681 02:41:05,680 --> 02:41:08,880 that information to council? because I I 3682 02:41:08,880 --> 02:41:11,840 think as we talk as department heads, I 3683 02:41:11,840 --> 02:41:14,319 think that is currently happening and I 3684 02:41:14,319 --> 02:41:16,000 think there's a disconnect in like how 3685 02:41:16,000 --> 02:41:19,120 do we how do we detail like Jason in the 3686 02:41:19,120 --> 02:41:25,040 last meeting um uh talked about how we have recently 3687 02:41:25,040 --> 02:41:28,240 uh eliminated a current full-time 3688 02:41:28,240 --> 02:41:32,000 employee and their position. Um, so like 3689 02:41:32,000 --> 02:41:34,000 I've got my department report coming up 3690 02:41:34,000 --> 02:41:36,960 this next week and and maybe that's a 3691 02:41:36,960 --> 02:41:38,560 good opportunity to talk about like, 3692 02:41:38,560 --> 02:41:40,800 hey, here's some of the like creative 3693 02:41:40,800 --> 02:41:44,560 things that we've done to try and like 3694 02:41:44,560 --> 02:41:47,600 plug some of the holes or is there a 3695 02:41:47,600 --> 02:41:48,640 better way to 3696 02:41:48,640 --> 02:41:50,399 >> I think that's great. I mean, I think 3697 02:41:50,399 --> 02:41:54,080 that like I I would love a report. I 3698 02:41:54,080 --> 02:41:55,760 don't know if we have one already and I 3699 02:41:55,760 --> 02:41:57,200 just don't know where to find it, but 3700 02:41:57,200 --> 02:41:59,280 like an there may be an annual report 3701 02:41:59,280 --> 02:42:01,280 that shows each department and how many 3702 02:42:01,280 --> 02:42:03,520 employees they have and what each of 3703 02:42:03,520 --> 02:42:07,840 whom are costing. And maybe that's where 3704 02:42:07,840 --> 02:42:10,960 like when that report comes out in the 3705 02:42:10,960 --> 02:42:14,000 next year, you could have a red line of 3706 02:42:14,000 --> 02:42:18,399 this person, this person uh left and 3707 02:42:18,399 --> 02:42:21,760 rather than replacing that position, uh 3708 02:42:21,760 --> 02:42:25,520 we we increased so and so and so and so 3709 02:42:25,520 --> 02:42:27,840 and saved the department. 3710 02:42:27,840 --> 02:42:29,280 >> And I love that. 3711 02:42:29,280 --> 02:42:32,319 >> Is that best done at budget time? 3712 02:42:32,319 --> 02:42:34,240 >> I think it's best done at any time. I 3713 02:42:34,240 --> 02:42:35,760 don't know. I mean, I'd love the 3714 02:42:35,760 --> 02:42:37,680 information to come from you and say, 3715 02:42:37,680 --> 02:42:40,479 you know, Mike, we had 10 guys down in 3716 02:42:40,479 --> 02:42:43,680 public works and we had a guy retire and 3717 02:42:43,680 --> 02:42:45,520 instead of hiring and filling his 3718 02:42:45,520 --> 02:42:48,479 position just because we had it, we took 3719 02:42:48,479 --> 02:42:50,479 and split that up between the nine guys 3720 02:42:50,479 --> 02:42:51,920 that were left and we're going to save 3721 02:42:51,920 --> 02:42:52,800 the city 3722 02:42:52,800 --> 02:42:54,960 >> or or to avoid asking for additional 3723 02:42:54,960 --> 02:42:57,359 employees, we've done this instead 3724 02:42:57,359 --> 02:42:58,000 >> because 3725 02:42:58,000 --> 02:43:00,000 >> it could be it could be a memo, but I 3726 02:43:00,000 --> 02:43:01,600 think that it should be on a budget 3727 02:43:01,600 --> 02:43:02,560 paper like 3728 02:43:02,560 --> 02:43:04,800 >> Josh has done that multiple times And I 3729 02:43:04,800 --> 02:43:06,000 want to give you a call out for that. 3730 02:43:06,000 --> 02:43:08,640 Your water person, you figured out a 3731 02:43:08,640 --> 02:43:08,880 way. 3732 02:43:08,880 --> 02:43:10,640 >> I think there's better ways that I can 3733 02:43:10,640 --> 02:43:12,800 share that you've done that. 3734 02:43:12,800 --> 02:43:15,680 >> Highlighting it and memos are good. Uh 3735 02:43:15,680 --> 02:43:18,160 two paragraphs each if it becomes two 3736 02:43:18,160 --> 02:43:20,640 paragraphs for the 3737 02:43:20,640 --> 02:43:23,680 if it's 3738 02:43:23,680 --> 02:43:27,359 12. Uh but but I do think that the 3739 02:43:27,359 --> 02:43:29,280 budget at the end that's helpful because 3740 02:43:29,280 --> 02:43:31,600 I think that I I don't know maybe I'm 3741 02:43:31,600 --> 02:43:33,439 totally wrong but I feel like we budget 3742 02:43:33,439 --> 02:43:36,640 for full staff every year, right? We 3743 02:43:36,640 --> 02:43:38,800 have to budget for that. We even budget 3744 02:43:38,800 --> 02:43:42,000 for staff when there's not currently an 3745 02:43:42,000 --> 02:43:45,600 employee hired in that position. So 3746 02:43:45,600 --> 02:43:47,359 those would be the opportunities I think 3747 02:43:47,359 --> 02:43:50,399 where we could say like oh hey so and so 3748 02:43:50,399 --> 02:43:52,319 you don't have this person like is there 3749 02:43:52,319 --> 02:43:54,000 any way you could do this and this and 3750 02:43:54,000 --> 02:43:57,279 we can take that off the budget. 3751 02:43:57,279 --> 02:43:59,120 >> That's anyway Jason return. 3752 02:43:59,120 --> 02:43:59,840 >> I mean 3753 02:43:59,840 --> 02:44:00,560 >> uh 3754 02:44:00,560 --> 02:44:02,880 >> I just real quick I can tell you mine 3755 02:44:02,880 --> 02:44:04,479 doing it by myself for the past eight 3756 02:44:04,479 --> 02:44:06,560 and a half years save this city over 3757 02:44:06,560 --> 02:44:08,000 $1.5 million. 3758 02:44:08,000 --> 02:44:12,389 >> Give this man a raise. 3759 02:44:12,399 --> 02:44:14,880 I told you last year I would rather give 3760 02:44:14,880 --> 02:44:16,800 you a little bit of a raise for the fact 3761 02:44:16,800 --> 02:44:18,000 that we can't do 3762 02:44:18,000 --> 02:44:21,760 >> I I know that you you know we'll have a 3763 02:44:21,760 --> 02:44:25,520 discussion off some offline sometime but 3764 02:44:25,520 --> 02:44:27,680 >> is that ever a position that you could 3765 02:44:27,680 --> 02:44:32,399 say all right paramedics or captains 3766 02:44:32,399 --> 02:44:35,200 I want to I have these additional items 3767 02:44:35,200 --> 02:44:39,040 that I need done you all have part-time 3768 02:44:39,040 --> 02:44:42,640 jobs why don't you come do this for me 3769 02:44:42,640 --> 02:44:45,359 after you're off your shift and take 3770 02:44:45,359 --> 02:44:46,479 care of that for me. 3771 02:44:46,479 --> 02:44:47,920 >> And I'll pay and I'll pay you a little 3772 02:44:47,920 --> 02:44:48,800 bit extra money. 3773 02:44:48,800 --> 02:44:50,399 >> Yeah. I do already. 3774 02:44:50,399 --> 02:44:51,760 >> Do you pay them extra money? 3775 02:44:51,760 --> 02:44:54,560 >> I they they put it on their time card, 3776 02:44:54,560 --> 02:44:55,920 >> you know, so after they're done with the 3777 02:44:55,920 --> 02:44:58,399 48 and I give them extra stuff, they 3778 02:44:58,399 --> 02:44:59,760 just put it on their time card whether 3779 02:44:59,760 --> 02:45:01,279 they're working from home or whatever 3780 02:45:01,279 --> 02:45:03,279 they're doing. 3781 02:45:03,279 --> 02:45:04,880 >> And that's not that hasn't been 3782 02:45:04,880 --> 02:45:09,910 acceptable though. 3783 02:45:09,920 --> 02:45:13,279 And as mayor said, we did it last year 3784 02:45:13,279 --> 02:45:15,920 with the locator position. Didn't fill 3785 02:45:15,920 --> 02:45:18,319 that to create a water position. 3786 02:45:18,319 --> 02:45:18,880 >> Yep. 3787 02:45:18,880 --> 02:45:21,040 >> Uh we did it with Bruce Rigy's position 3788 02:45:21,040 --> 02:45:23,680 when he left. Uh 3789 02:45:23,680 --> 02:45:25,840 >> so we needed a meterman. Uh 3790 02:45:25,840 --> 02:45:27,359 >> more of that is what I'm saying. 3791 02:45:27,359 --> 02:45:29,439 >> Yeah. No, and definitely that of an 3792 02:45:29,439 --> 02:45:31,520 ongoing conversation. We've had uh 3793 02:45:31,520 --> 02:45:34,560 business here. Just to remind you, um, 3794 02:45:34,560 --> 02:45:37,120 we eliminated one of the utility, uh, 3795 02:45:37,120 --> 02:45:39,920 billing, uh, clerk positions and one of 3796 02:45:39,920 --> 02:45:41,520 the cash receiving clerk positions. So, 3797 02:45:41,520 --> 02:45:44,319 two two positions in Marines department 3798 02:45:44,319 --> 02:45:46,000 being eliminated. That's two full-time 3799 02:45:46,000 --> 02:45:48,560 positions this this coming year is in 3800 02:45:48,560 --> 02:45:52,800 the budget. Um, and so, anyway, I think 3801 02:45:52,800 --> 02:45:54,000 uh, we can include that kind of 3802 02:45:54,000 --> 02:45:56,880 information uh, in presentations and the 3803 02:45:56,880 --> 02:45:58,640 annual report narrative, budget 3804 02:45:58,640 --> 02:46:01,200 narrative, things like that. So, um, 3805 02:46:01,200 --> 02:46:04,240 it's good stuff. And then the last slide 3806 02:46:04,240 --> 02:46:07,680 is well uh so this is just a quick one. 3807 02:46:07,680 --> 02:46:09,279 I don't want to dive into this too much 3808 02:46:09,279 --> 02:46:11,840 but this is just what we've we're 3809 02:46:11,840 --> 02:46:13,600 proposing to take out of fund balance on 3810 02:46:13,600 --> 02:46:16,160 the left. And so you can see that we try 3811 02:46:16,160 --> 02:46:18,160 to avoid any ongoing costs when we use 3812 02:46:18,160 --> 02:46:19,760 fund balance. So you're looking at a lot 3813 02:46:19,760 --> 02:46:22,160 of capital things like the council 3814 02:46:22,160 --> 02:46:24,720 chamber AV issues that we were having. 3815 02:46:24,720 --> 02:46:27,920 Um that's coming out of fund balance. uh 3816 02:46:27,920 --> 02:46:31,920 the Barnes Park um leaker uh fixes for 3817 02:46:31,920 --> 02:46:38,630 uh as is the fund BALANCE 3818 02:46:38,640 --> 02:46:40,000 BUDGET. We just want to highlight what's 3819 02:46:40,000 --> 02:46:41,760 coming out of fund balance versus going 3820 02:46:41,760 --> 02:46:44,319 into the truth and taxation number and 3821 02:46:44,319 --> 02:46:45,760 then the deferred items you can see on 3822 02:46:45,760 --> 02:46:47,200 the right. Those are items that we are 3823 02:46:47,200 --> 02:46:49,680 not funding that have been requested uh 3824 02:46:49,680 --> 02:46:51,439 in the past and continue. 3825 02:46:51,439 --> 02:46:52,479 >> While you've got this, can I just 3826 02:46:52,479 --> 02:46:54,160 highlight one? The water conservation 3827 02:46:54,160 --> 02:46:55,840 and fire station. We just learned this 3828 02:46:55,840 --> 02:46:58,160 last week that we can actually Weaver 3829 02:46:58,160 --> 02:47:00,800 Basin has a lawn exchange program that 3830 02:47:00,800 --> 02:47:04,160 they will you'll get $2.50 for every 3831 02:47:04,160 --> 02:47:06,319 living grass that you remove. We did 3832 02:47:06,319 --> 02:47:08,000 learn this week the parks aren't 3833 02:47:08,000 --> 02:47:09,760 applicable which we knew but uh 3834 02:47:09,760 --> 02:47:12,319 municipal building facilities are. And 3835 02:47:12,319 --> 02:47:16,479 so we're currently applying for um that 3836 02:47:16,479 --> 02:47:19,359 for this building fire station to remove 3837 02:47:19,359 --> 02:47:22,560 grass. Um, so we are looking at ways to 3838 02:47:22,560 --> 02:47:26,319 not have these. Um, so 3839 02:47:26,319 --> 02:47:26,800 >> yeah. 3840 02:47:26,800 --> 02:47:27,279 >> Anyway, 3841 02:47:27,279 --> 02:47:27,840 >> thanks. 3842 02:47:27,840 --> 02:47:28,960 >> While I was up there, I just want to 3843 02:47:28,960 --> 02:47:29,920 point that out. So, 3844 02:47:29,920 --> 02:47:31,200 >> excellent. 3845 02:47:31,200 --> 02:47:34,000 >> Um, and then the last almost last slide. 3846 02:47:34,000 --> 02:47:36,240 Uh, 3847 02:47:36,240 --> 02:47:38,720 >> oh, thanks. We added this. Uh, thanks 3848 02:47:38,720 --> 02:47:41,600 Mike. Here you go. 3849 02:47:41,600 --> 02:47:43,359 >> So, that's the breakdown for different 3850 02:47:43,359 --> 02:47:45,120 home values. 3851 02:47:45,120 --> 02:47:46,000 >> That's not 3852 02:47:46,000 --> 02:47:46,560 >> And 3853 02:47:46,560 --> 02:47:48,319 >> right, we'll send a new one out. Yeah, 3854 02:47:48,319 --> 02:47:50,479 we'll we'll send out an updated one as 3855 02:47:50,479 --> 02:47:52,080 well. 3856 02:47:52,080 --> 02:47:54,960 Awesome. You guys rock. All right, next 3857 02:47:54,960 --> 02:47:58,479 slide. And then this is of course how we 3858 02:47:58,479 --> 02:48:00,960 compare. Uh some people hate this, some 3859 02:48:00,960 --> 02:48:03,760 people love it in terms of we should be 3860 02:48:03,760 --> 02:48:05,680 should we compare other cities or not? I 3861 02:48:05,680 --> 02:48:06,800 think this at least puts some 3862 02:48:06,800 --> 02:48:09,600 perspective on where we are. Um we are 3863 02:48:09,600 --> 02:48:12,080 the third lowest of 15 cities in the in 3864 02:48:12,080 --> 02:48:14,880 Davis County on our tax rate. Um, 3865 02:48:14,880 --> 02:48:18,080 currently, even if we did the proposed 3866 02:48:18,080 --> 02:48:21,359 uh 32% increase, we would still be the 3867 02:48:21,359 --> 02:48:25,200 ninth of 15 cities in Davis County. And 3868 02:48:25,200 --> 02:48:26,960 that's assuming nobody else does truth 3869 02:48:26,960 --> 02:48:30,479 in taxation next year. And likely the 3870 02:48:30,479 --> 02:48:33,120 number will. So, we continue to be at 3871 02:48:33,120 --> 02:48:35,520 the bottom or close to the bottom of of 3872 02:48:35,520 --> 02:48:37,200 tax rates, which I think is another good 3873 02:48:37,200 --> 02:48:38,960 barometer to show that we are operating 3874 02:48:38,960 --> 02:48:41,840 efficiently and and do a lot with a 3875 02:48:41,840 --> 02:48:43,760 little compared to I think a lot of 3876 02:48:43,760 --> 02:48:48,640 cities. Uh, next slide. 3877 02:48:48,640 --> 02:48:51,920 Final questions. 3878 02:48:51,920 --> 02:48:53,920 This is where we're talking and is that 3879 02:48:53,920 --> 02:48:55,520 it? 3880 02:48:55,520 --> 02:48:57,279 >> Oh, and then back to the mission where 3881 02:48:57,279 --> 02:49:02,710 we began. Um, 3882 02:49:02,720 --> 02:49:05,600 I I guess I'll share this. Like I was 3883 02:49:05,600 --> 02:49:07,600 having this budget conversation with my 3884 02:49:07,600 --> 02:49:09,600 wife, not about city budget, heaven 3885 02:49:09,600 --> 02:49:12,319 forbid, but about our home budget, 3886 02:49:12,319 --> 02:49:14,560 right? And we're like we're both super 3887 02:49:14,560 --> 02:49:16,960 like penny pincher, like almost 3888 02:49:16,960 --> 02:49:18,720 annoyingly 3889 02:49:18,720 --> 02:49:20,720 will not buy anything. It's why we're in 3890 02:49:20,720 --> 02:49:23,600 the same blue shirts every day and stuff 3891 02:49:23,600 --> 02:49:26,160 like that. Um probably 3892 02:49:26,160 --> 02:49:27,439 that's one thing we agree on that my 3893 02:49:27,439 --> 02:49:29,120 wife and I like we are super budget 3894 02:49:29,120 --> 02:49:31,120 conscious. We we've bought a tiny little 3895 02:49:31,120 --> 02:49:33,120 home. We started our marriage and you 3896 02:49:33,120 --> 02:49:34,880 know like just to have focus on staying 3897 02:49:34,880 --> 02:49:37,680 out of debt and all that yet we still 3898 02:49:37,680 --> 02:49:39,359 have these 3899 02:49:39,359 --> 02:49:41,120 like high you know spirited 3900 02:49:41,120 --> 02:49:42,640 conversations about where our money 3901 02:49:42,640 --> 02:49:44,640 goes. And I'm sure this is a common 3902 02:49:44,640 --> 02:49:47,040 theme. I mean many people have these 3903 02:49:47,040 --> 02:49:48,720 conversations with their spouses about 3904 02:49:48,720 --> 02:49:50,800 use how they use their money. And we're 3905 02:49:50,800 --> 02:49:52,880 talking about spouses who spend their 3906 02:49:52,880 --> 02:49:55,520 whole life together and are probably 3907 02:49:55,520 --> 02:49:57,520 more alike than anybody else in many 3908 02:49:57,520 --> 02:49:59,840 regards, share same values and things 3909 02:49:59,840 --> 02:50:02,160 like that. And talking about the most 3910 02:50:02,160 --> 02:50:05,040 basic home budget, right? So, it just 3911 02:50:05,040 --> 02:50:06,720 makes me think putting in perspective 3912 02:50:06,720 --> 02:50:08,479 like when we talk about the city's 3913 02:50:08,479 --> 02:50:10,000 budget, which is infinitely more 3914 02:50:10,000 --> 02:50:13,120 complicated than a home budget, um, and 3915 02:50:13,120 --> 02:50:15,279 you've got 34,000 residents with 3916 02:50:15,279 --> 02:50:17,040 different opinions, 3917 02:50:17,040 --> 02:50:19,920 um, and not not understanding all the 3918 02:50:19,920 --> 02:50:21,760 intricacies and nuances of what goes on 3919 02:50:21,760 --> 02:50:23,840 in a city budget is so hard. It's hard 3920 02:50:23,840 --> 02:50:25,920 for us as staff sometimes to fully grasp 3921 02:50:25,920 --> 02:50:27,520 it. It's such a broad thing because 3922 02:50:27,520 --> 02:50:28,960 there's so many different departments 3923 02:50:28,960 --> 02:50:32,160 and things going on and services that we 3924 02:50:32,160 --> 02:50:34,160 don't fully, you know, understand. But I 3925 02:50:34,160 --> 02:50:37,520 guess my point there is it's I I get 3926 02:50:37,520 --> 02:50:39,279 these conversations are difficult and 3927 02:50:39,279 --> 02:50:40,640 it's it's okay. They should be 3928 02:50:40,640 --> 02:50:42,399 difficult. Um it's money we're talking 3929 02:50:42,399 --> 02:50:45,680 about and it's complicated and so um but 3930 02:50:45,680 --> 02:50:48,000 it all comes back to are we doing the 3931 02:50:48,000 --> 02:50:51,040 right things for the city? Um and are we 3932 02:50:51,040 --> 02:50:54,560 investing in and back to your money or 3933 02:50:54,560 --> 02:50:58,319 your tree planting question? So I'll end 3934 02:50:58,319 --> 02:51:00,720 it with that. 3935 02:51:00,720 --> 02:51:02,880 Thanks. 3936 02:51:02,880 --> 02:51:14,710 That's it. Done. 3937 02:51:14,720 --> 02:51:25,030 process. 3938 02:51:25,040 --> 02:51:27,760 Um I we're open to if they see images 3939 02:51:27,760 --> 02:51:29,920 like