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stoplight. That was a great great spot.

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>> Do we have a good live feed?

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>> I'm on like sign number.

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>> You think that's what she's checking

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>> Oh god. He's got a lot of things.

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>> I've got them all mapped out.

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>> Oh, [snorts] good.

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>> Yeah. Do you

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>> still got one on the fence down by my

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>> Do I really?

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>> I'm running for commissioner.

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>> [laughter]

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>> I'm running again in four years. You

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should just like

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>> my coot wants a property across from

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you. Would they let us put a sign up

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>> if I call them?

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>> Yeah. Jan, right?

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>> I'll put that on my list of things to go

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>> Where's yours?

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>> Would you ask them for me or at least

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give me a sign?

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>> My front yard.

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>> It's hard when people volunteer to put

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>> Well, I mean, it's not You have to mow

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your lawn. So, I thought if it's just on

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>> They don't need to.

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>> Okay. Thanks.

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>> It's the one that goes to the right.

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>> Welcome.

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>> Okay. Welcome everyone to our budget

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meeting. Today is

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>> Tuesday the 5th of June 20.

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>> What?

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>> May.

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>> 5th of May. [laughter] Today is the 5th

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of May 2026. Do we need to go around?

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>> Okay. and and I'll turn the mic over to

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Jason to present our budget workshop

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>> Thank you, mayor. Uh happy Cinco de

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Mayo, everyone. So, this slide is just

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the required slide again, same as you

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saw last time. Uh state requires that we

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notice this at the beginning of each

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meeting. Uh we're playing it super safe

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uh and doing it every single meeting

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pretty much this month. But uh as

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[clears throat] last time it it shows

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the proposed impact of the tax rate as proposed by staff in the budget. So

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that would be the u $14.80

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I think next slide.

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breakdown of [clears throat] um what's

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contributing to that proposed tax

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increase. Uh next slide.

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excite.

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some like inspirational thought here,

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budget is um everyone feels it from

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staff to council to residents and um

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really just thank you for sticking with

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it. Uh, and I think that this budget or

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sorry, this mission statement really is

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our true north as a city and it'll help

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us get through discussions like this as

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we think about what's what's right for

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residents. Um, how do we protect the

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quality of life uh for our residents now

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and into the future and do that as

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efficiently as possible. And as I think

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north goal, we'll be able to figure

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uh work session. We'll do our uh this

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Thursday night is the tenative budget

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that has to be adopted according to

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state law. That's just the tenative

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budget. Just quick question on that.

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tenative budget. I mean you gave us all

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that because there's a new law or

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>> What can you tell me what that bill is?

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proposed tax increase proposed has to be

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adopted by the 5th of May. looking up

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>> The first meeting in May. Okay. [snorts]

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» Um we have a a schedule that fortunately

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conjunction with the state. Um

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is that in conjunction with ULCT? Um, so

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schedule to make sure that we're

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following all the key new legislation

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and um so that's helping us avoid any

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mis mishaps, I guess. But uh yes, May

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the month has to be the tenative budget

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desire to tweak something later on.

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timeline that the tenative budget is

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just really an action to move forward

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opportunities and meetings to talk about

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the tenative budget and to change it

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through truth and taxation then um yes

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August 6th would be the uh truth and

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taxation hearing.

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>> Okay. So just so people know this is

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the stage with how did we get to where

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taxation u process. So we'll go through

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council member Blackham to some of your

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opportunity to rely on the fund balance?

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detail line by line kind of of uh what's

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making up the uh FY27 proposal. And uh

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done a real uh TNT increase. There's

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capturing uh new positions or new

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paramedics. Um we haven't really done

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TNT to capture inflation uh for the most

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part. Um last year the 2020 uh 6 budget

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that we that was adopted would have

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helped capture some uh inflation but

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unfortunately we know the story there

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that it didn't end up getting approved

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by the state. So again, the takeaway

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people and and not capturing the the

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inflation, which we all know has been a

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comparing the last 12 months. You can

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see it really peaked during the height

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of COVID in 2022,

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but it's still um still more um now than

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compounded right capturing this plus

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it's continuing to grow at even a larger

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aware of of just when we go and buy

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anything these days that it's a lot more

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than it used to be. And of course that

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impacts city operations as well.

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Everything from fuel to vehicles and

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police and fire equipment, everything we

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the newsletter last summer that talked

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cases. Uh, so again, those are real

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story is that we just haven't been able

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to capture that inflationary growth

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through new revenue. So, next. Oh, yes,

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flat. It's it's not what it used to be

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for sure. Uh not certainly meeting the demand that we have. And then the

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real story is is property tax is is not

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capturing that inflation. So when we

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don't do TNT

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um we we lose money if we do nothing in

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order to just keep the same tax rate a

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TNT is required and I think everyone

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knows that but um so what one of our

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hopes is that going forward we can do

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TNT hopefully every year just to capture

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the inflation and cover our costs as

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inflation goes up.

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>> But anyway um

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>> TNT truth and taxation

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>> truth in taxation. T I

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>> It sounds like TNT like dynamite. It's T

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N T.

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>> Okay.

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>> But yeah, truth and taxation. Yeah,

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>> it is dynamite. [laughter]

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>> But it's it goes.

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>> Okay.

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>> Um Okay. And then I think familiar slide

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here as well, but uh we're currently the

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third lowest tax rate in Davis County of

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the 15 cities. Um if we did the proposed

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uh 32% increase that we're talking

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about, it would bump us up to number

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nine of 15. So, we'd still be just a

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little bit below middle. Um,

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and uh, that's part of the story, too,

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just with what with what's going on. I

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think it's not in the slides here, but

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another great one, and Council Member

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McBride did a great video, but reminding

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us all that um, the city's property tax

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only makes up 16% of the pie of your

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total property tax bill. Most of it's

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going to the school district as I think

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most people know and in the county and

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city of Kisville gets 16% of that. So,

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uh

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>> yeah, actually according to last year

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15.1% came.

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>> Wow.

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>> Yeah.

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>> So,

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um next slide.

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>> So now,

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>> so yeah, now now we're in the the budget

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uh worksheets. This is the fun part.

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>> What are we doing?

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So, that's kind of the history of where

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we've been, how we got to where we are.

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And now we want to talk about, okay,

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what does our future look like? Um,

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again, Council Member Black and to your

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point, knowing that we took so much

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money out of fund balance, we can't

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continue to rely on that year after

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year. What does the future tax rates

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look like? And so, we're did some

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projections.

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>> I think you probably projection here.

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>> Hey, real quick, Jason. I think whenever

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we talk about the budget and city

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council meeting, we should always start

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out with how you started out with these

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slides. I think it helps the public to

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understand kind of what we're up

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against, but also have more pieces of

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the puzzle. Thanks, Council Member

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Jackson. That's a great point. I think

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sometimes we think we we've said it and people

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know, but I think you just you never

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people have busy lives. They don't

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necessarily follow every newsletter

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article or what. So, it's a good

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reminder for for all of us, I think. So,

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yeah, we'll definitely include that.

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» So, [snorts] it looks different over

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there.

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>> I'm just trying to get this to Are these

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slides?

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>> And you're not to this point yet, but

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this slide that you're showing us is

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assuming that the fire station gets

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approved.

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>> Uh, there's both scenarios. Great point,

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Mayor.

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>> Thank you. questions with and without.

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Okay.

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>> Yeah. With the fire station, without the

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fire station. So,

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>> good.

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>> Uh Okay. So, with the fire station, um

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we all know the 32% increase that's

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being proposed. And and I'll reiterate

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that the 32% this year is exactly the

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amount of money that we would have

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gotten last year had had it gone

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through. So, this is really just

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recapturing what we should have gotten

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um back last year. So, in effect, it's a

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0% increase, if you will, for this year.

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Um, if the fire station were approved,

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that would result in a 40% increase in

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next year's property tax. Um,

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>> and that would be on the ballot.

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>> That would be on the ballot. Correct.

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The residents would have to vote yes for

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that, of course. Um, and so that

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wouldn't be a truth and taxation process

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so much as it would be really a

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referendum or a ballot initiative for

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residents to vote on. A lot of that

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would be. Um, so that's that 40% bump,

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that's for starting paying off the bonds

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uh for the station. And then FY29, that

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would be when the station would be

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construction would be completed and then

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we'd have to hire people to fill it. And

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so that's what's driving that second big

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number, the 44% increase. Okay. Now,

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just clarification. So, if we did the

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32% this year, that would still

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it would still be about 1.5 million

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short that we're using fund balance.

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Okay.

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>> So,

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>> why 1.5?

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>> Oh, give me the numbers. I'm just going

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by, huh?

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>> 950,000.

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>> Okay.

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>> In general fund balance. general fund

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balance because uh everything that

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showed show showed that we were going to

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use about 1.1 of fund balance

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>> last year when we didn't get our text.

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Yes.

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>> And so you've changed that number and

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one point. So

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>> yeah.

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>> Okay. and and we're from what I can tell

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from last year to this year, we're

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adding another half a million dollars to

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our general fund and plus 900 and

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something thousand to our operations

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this year or 800 and something thousand

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>> um

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>> if we Okay, but let's let me Okay, so so

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the 40%

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would only include the fire station. It

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wouldn't include the fund balance that

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we're short next year.

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>> It does. I don't have any fund balance

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used in my projections for 28 forward.

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>> Okay. So, so 28. So, it would be at

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another 40%. Still having to use a

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million dollar.

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>> No, no, no.

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>> Sorry. No fun.

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>> No fund balance.

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>> We have fund balance in 27, but not in

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28 going forward. So, these projections,

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we're no longer using general fund fund

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balance. So the 40% makes up for that

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million and the fire station.

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>> And the fire station.

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>> Mhm.

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>> Okay. And then the following 44%

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no fund balance.

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>> No fund balance.

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>> Strictly personnel.

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And then the full um

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fire station bond because fire impact

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fees were used in 28

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>> including staffing, right? Yes. sitting

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staff for that fire station if it gets

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>> correct. So it goes up partially because

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we will not be using uh fire impact fees

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in is it 29?

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>> Yeah. I mean I I assume we won't have

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another 300,000 built up like we do

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right now.

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>> Yeah.

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And so

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the I guess if there's any silver lining

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to this, it's that once once we've added

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those new costs, the fire station, um

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then it goes back down to single digit

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increases really just to capture, you

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know, projected inflation. Um

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>> so so does that make sense? Again, fire

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station uh construction bonds and then

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primarily fire station staffing and then

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you're back down to just covering cost

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and and again as Marin said we're not

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using any more fund balance after FY27.

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So

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>> it's a sustainable model I guess is what

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we're trying to say.

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I guess I'm skipping ahead, but why even

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without fire station is it a higher

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percentage increase in 28 than it is in

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28? Where is the fire station?

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» Because the one and a half million to

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improve the new fire station. It's

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>> that should not be in there.

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>> Why not?

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>> If we don't get a new one, we have to

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improve ours. Sorry, it shouldn't say

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the word new.

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>> Um,

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>> okay. that is I don't know if if

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everyone's remembers that in the last

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couple years we started having the

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conversation of if we don't have a new

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station on the west side then we at

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least need to you know improve our

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current station build it out a little

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bit more for for some needs um for the

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growth and so if the fire station

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doesn't happen that $ 1.5 million

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theoretically kicks in um and we

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wouldn't bond for that so that's a

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pretty big chunk you don't bond for a

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million and a half you bond on for 16

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million. But um does that make sense? So

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that'd be a $1.5 million kind of brunt

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in one year as opposed to just doing a

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bond for a $16 million station.

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>> So question area. So to the mayor's

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point um in 28 FY28

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could we not push the 1.5 million to

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FY29 to give a break between because 326

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is such a big increase

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>> um year to back to back I mean what's

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the necessity of doing that

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I think this is just kind of comparing

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two models it it's surely there's going

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to be opportunity to have discuss

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questions about that. Um,

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>> so there's flexibility to move that 1.5

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million around a little bit.

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>> We could rep prioritize or

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>> rep prioritize

519
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>> or break it up.

520
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>> We just wanted to make sure it was

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captured, you know, to show that, okay,

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if we don't do the station, there's

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still going to be other costs. That's

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kind of the primary goal, making the

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comparison.

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>> Um,

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>> okay. So,

528
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>> and and kind of the point that if we if

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the bond passes, it actually is cheaper

530
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in terms of monthly operational costs

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to build a new one than to replace and

532
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repair the the current one, right?

533
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Because the rate's lower

534
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>> technically cost. Okay. So, okay.

535
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>> And the 16 million, keep in mind, is

536
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worst case at this point.

537
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>> Construction cost might might come back

538
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lower, but 16 that we're using here is

539
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high end,

540
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>> right? But on the lower projection, that

541
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45%

542
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would be I mean I understand what it is,

543
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but that that 1.5 million is a onetime

544
00:20:58,480 --> 00:21:02,400
thing. So we'd be raising taxes 45% for

545
00:21:02,400 --> 00:21:03,840
like a one time

546
00:21:03,840 --> 00:21:05,919
>> but then we're not to lower them.

547
00:21:05,919 --> 00:21:08,080
>> Yeah. Right. So,

548
00:21:08,080 --> 00:21:10,240
>> that's why it's only 10% the next year

549
00:21:10,240 --> 00:21:11,760
cuz

550
00:21:11,760 --> 00:21:12,640
>> that makes sense.

551
00:21:12,640 --> 00:21:15,120
>> That so overall in the two years then

552
00:21:15,120 --> 00:21:17,600
are still more with the bond cuz you've

553
00:21:17,600 --> 00:21:19,520
got 84%

554
00:21:19,520 --> 00:21:23,120
versus 54%. Right. 28 and 29 added

555
00:21:23,120 --> 00:21:24,000
together.

556
00:21:24,000 --> 00:21:24,400
>> Mhm.

557
00:21:24,400 --> 00:21:25,039
>> Okay.

558
00:21:25,039 --> 00:21:26,080
>> Yeah. Correct.

559
00:21:26,080 --> 00:21:27,520
>> Yeah. I still think that if you

560
00:21:27,520 --> 00:21:29,600
>> So, you went off in public. Fine. You

561
00:21:29,600 --> 00:21:30,400
didn't.

562
00:21:30,400 --> 00:21:34,400
>> I still think that if you do the if the

563
00:21:34,400 --> 00:21:38,080
fire station bond passes,

564
00:21:38,080 --> 00:21:41,039
you should increase the same year. You

565
00:21:41,039 --> 00:21:43,919
should increase it for the building and

566
00:21:43,919 --> 00:21:45,760
the employees

567
00:21:45,760 --> 00:21:47,200
because it's going to be really

568
00:21:47,200 --> 00:21:49,360
difficult to convey the message a year

569
00:21:49,360 --> 00:21:52,400
later that you're raising it for the

570
00:21:52,400 --> 00:21:54,400
employees.

571
00:21:54,400 --> 00:21:56,240
It's going to be a much easier message

572
00:21:56,240 --> 00:22:00,880
to to relay that. Yeah. The reason it

573
00:22:00,880 --> 00:22:01,760
went up [snorts]

574
00:22:01,760 --> 00:22:05,440
was because of the fire station that you

575
00:22:05,440 --> 00:22:09,039
just voted yes for

576
00:22:09,039 --> 00:22:10,240
>> kind of, but you don't always have to

577
00:22:10,240 --> 00:22:11,760
pay for it immediately. It'll take a

578
00:22:11,760 --> 00:22:13,360
year and a half to build.

579
00:22:13,360 --> 00:22:13,679
>> So,

580
00:22:13,679 --> 00:22:14,640
>> and then you can wait.

581
00:22:14,640 --> 00:22:16,640
>> Well, yeah. So that's my point is I

582
00:22:16,640 --> 00:22:18,240
wouldn't mind doing it the same year

583
00:22:18,240 --> 00:22:21,200
that you that you do it for that you do

584
00:22:21,200 --> 00:22:25,280
for the for the uh for the employees if

585
00:22:25,280 --> 00:22:27,280
you can wait if you don't have to pay

586
00:22:27,280 --> 00:22:29,520
for the building

587
00:22:29,520 --> 00:22:31,440
that same year if you don't have to

588
00:22:31,440 --> 00:22:34,559
start paying for it until it's like my

589
00:22:34,559 --> 00:22:36,400
it's my whole thing with the school. I

590
00:22:36,400 --> 00:22:37,840
don't understand. If we don't have to

591
00:22:37,840 --> 00:22:39,440
pay for this, if we don't have to start

592
00:22:39,440 --> 00:22:42,799
paying on that bond until next year, why

593
00:22:42,799 --> 00:22:44,559
are we putting it into the budget for

594
00:22:44,559 --> 00:22:46,080
this year? Like,

595
00:22:46,080 --> 00:22:48,080
>> so there's certainly opportunities to

596
00:22:48,080 --> 00:22:50,000
talk about that that kind of stuff.

597
00:22:50,000 --> 00:22:52,080
>> Um, I mean, you're absolutely right that

598
00:22:52,080 --> 00:22:53,679
we could just say, let's just go ahead

599
00:22:53,679 --> 00:22:56,000
and do it that first year so it's clear

600
00:22:56,000 --> 00:22:56,720
that it's tight

601
00:22:56,720 --> 00:22:58,400
>> or the second year. I don't care, but

602
00:22:58,400 --> 00:23:00,159
just put them together because they

603
00:23:00,159 --> 00:23:02,480
should be

604
00:23:02,480 --> 00:23:05,360
>> and remember um this this isn't really

605
00:23:05,360 --> 00:23:08,080
so much TNT as it is um that's driven by

606
00:23:08,080 --> 00:23:09,200
the vote,

607
00:23:09,200 --> 00:23:09,840
>> right?

608
00:23:09,840 --> 00:23:12,000
>> Um this is where I'm getting really

609
00:23:12,000 --> 00:23:13,520
confused and I need to get straightened

610
00:23:13,520 --> 00:23:15,679
out on this because

611
00:23:15,679 --> 00:23:18,480
>> when we did the general fund review, it

612
00:23:18,480 --> 00:23:22,159
showed that we were $3.4 4 million short

613
00:23:22,159 --> 00:23:24,320
>> and that truth in taxation would only

614
00:23:24,320 --> 00:23:27,919
cover 1.7 and we would have to add

615
00:23:27,919 --> 00:23:30,159
somehow come up with 1.6.

616
00:23:30,159 --> 00:23:30,559
>> Correct.

617
00:23:30,559 --> 00:23:31,600
>> You just said we'd only have to come up

618
00:23:31,600 --> 00:23:33,360
with 800,000.

619
00:23:33,360 --> 00:23:36,159
>> No, I said 950 for general fund balance

620
00:23:36,159 --> 00:23:38,960
and then we're using MBA fund balance um

621
00:23:38,960 --> 00:23:40,159
police impact fees.

622
00:23:40,159 --> 00:23:42,799
>> Okay. But we're still in our in our

623
00:23:42,799 --> 00:23:46,400
general fund. We're still 3.4 4 million

624
00:23:46,400 --> 00:23:47,440
short

625
00:23:47,440 --> 00:23:49,280
>> and the tax increase is only going to

626
00:23:49,280 --> 00:23:54,480
get us 1.7 and we are still short 1.6.

627
00:23:54,480 --> 00:23:55,520
>> Correct.

628
00:23:55,520 --> 00:23:58,080
>> Okay, that's Yeah, you had me thinking

629
00:23:58,080 --> 00:24:01,280
we were only short 800,000. We're short

630
00:24:01,280 --> 00:24:02,880
1.6 million.

631
00:24:02,880 --> 00:24:03,919
>> Yes. I was just

632
00:24:03,919 --> 00:24:05,520
>> You said where'd I get that number? I

633
00:24:05,520 --> 00:24:06,880
got that number from you.

634
00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:09,679
>> Well, you I thought that you said we had

635
00:24:09,679 --> 00:24:11,919
to use 1.6 of fund like general fund

636
00:24:11,919 --> 00:24:13,600
balance. I don't know where it all comes

637
00:24:13,600 --> 00:24:15,760
from, but we have to use it from

638
00:24:15,760 --> 00:24:17,120
somewhere.

639
00:24:17,120 --> 00:24:19,520
>> Just just clarifying that.

640
00:24:19,520 --> 00:24:22,159
>> So, we I created the spreadsheet live so

641
00:24:22,159 --> 00:24:25,360
we can kind of play with it. So, John,

642
00:24:25,360 --> 00:24:28,080
we just moved the fire station employees

643
00:24:28,080 --> 00:24:30,240
to fiscal year 28. So, that's what that

644
00:24:30,240 --> 00:24:31,120
would look like.

645
00:24:31,120 --> 00:24:33,360
>> Okay.

646
00:24:33,360 --> 00:24:34,880
Where are we looking?

647
00:24:34,880 --> 00:24:38,480
>> But you the top fiery 28, it now is

648
00:24:38,480 --> 00:24:41,200
67.9. You're thinking 29 you'd still

649
00:24:41,200 --> 00:24:43,440
have to do 21.7.

650
00:24:43,440 --> 00:24:46,159
>> Yes. Because in 28 again we're going to

651
00:24:46,159 --> 00:24:48,159
use fire impact fee fund balance and

652
00:24:48,159 --> 00:24:50,720
capital fund balance to pay for the bond

653
00:24:50,720 --> 00:24:53,840
for that first year and then we'll run

654
00:24:53,840 --> 00:24:55,919
out of fund balance. So in 29 we have to

655
00:24:55,919 --> 00:24:58,080
make up for that difference.

656
00:24:58,080 --> 00:25:00,400
>> My health well I don't understand.

657
00:25:00,400 --> 00:25:05,200
Again, my thought is if you're going to be

658
00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:07,039
honest with the people, be honest with

659
00:25:07,039 --> 00:25:08,720
the people of what it's going to cost

660
00:25:08,720 --> 00:25:12,080
them every year for for this fire

661
00:25:12,080 --> 00:25:15,760
station. And so, don't use

662
00:25:15,760 --> 00:25:18,159
a balance that you can only use for one

663
00:25:18,159 --> 00:25:22,000
year. Like, let's use what it is and

664
00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:24,960
tell them exactly what it would be. Now

665
00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:28,240
granted, if we wait until the police

666
00:25:28,240 --> 00:25:29,520
station's paid off,

667
00:25:29,520 --> 00:25:30,559
>> change that to

668
00:25:30,559 --> 00:25:32,880
>> then, you know, what's the difference

669
00:25:32,880 --> 00:25:37,520
between that payment and this payment?

670
00:25:37,520 --> 00:25:38,400
>> Yeah.

671
00:25:38,400 --> 00:25:40,000
>> I don't know. That's just that's just my

672
00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:42,320
personal my personal opinion is that

673
00:25:42,320 --> 00:25:45,039
like it seems like if they vote like we

674
00:25:45,039 --> 00:25:46,559
should be honest with them. This is how

675
00:25:46,559 --> 00:25:48,720
much it's going to cost you.

676
00:25:48,720 --> 00:25:50,000
>> Uh yeah.

677
00:25:50,000 --> 00:25:51,200
>> Yeah.

678
00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:53,120
>> Well, we just changed that. So there you

679
00:25:53,120 --> 00:25:55,520
go. And it's still 11, which is crazy.

680
00:25:55,520 --> 00:25:57,039
We're still going to be deficit that

681
00:25:57,039 --> 00:26:03,200
much. But um but at least it's being

682
00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:05,679
honest with what it's going to look

683
00:26:05,679 --> 00:26:06,559
like, right?

684
00:26:06,559 --> 00:26:07,120
>> Mhm.

685
00:26:07,120 --> 00:26:08,960
>> Well, I don't know if it has to do with

686
00:26:08,960 --> 00:26:10,320
so much about [clears throat] honesty as

687
00:26:10,320 --> 00:26:14,640
it does cuz it is honest the way we

688
00:26:14,640 --> 00:26:16,720
present all the numbers to the public,

689
00:26:16,720 --> 00:26:19,760
>> right? But I'm afraid if we

690
00:26:19,760 --> 00:26:22,080
have a a tax increase this big before

691
00:26:22,080 --> 00:26:24,559
the public actually votes

692
00:26:24,559 --> 00:26:24,880
that

693
00:26:24,880 --> 00:26:27,360
>> No, this wouldn't be before they voted.

694
00:26:27,360 --> 00:26:29,520
This would be what they were voting on

695
00:26:29,520 --> 00:26:29,840
after.

696
00:26:29,840 --> 00:26:31,760
>> And I'm just saying it's a transparent

697
00:26:31,760 --> 00:26:33,919
way of saying like this is what's going

698
00:26:33,919 --> 00:26:35,520
to happen.

699
00:26:35,520 --> 00:26:37,440
>> If you vote yes for this, this is how

700
00:26:37,440 --> 00:26:41,760
much truly going to cost you.

701
00:26:41,760 --> 00:26:43,840
>> Sorry to cut you up. My only my only

702
00:26:43,840 --> 00:26:45,679
argument would be we should at least use

703
00:26:45,679 --> 00:26:47,440
fire impact fee fund balance because

704
00:26:47,440 --> 00:26:49,360
that's literally what that impact fee is

705
00:26:49,360 --> 00:26:52,240
for is for building out a new station.

706
00:26:52,240 --> 00:26:54,000
>> And there's a shot clock on using that

707
00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:56,159
impact fee.

708
00:26:56,159 --> 00:26:57,919
How much is that fire impact fee? We

709
00:26:57,919 --> 00:26:59,360
haven't had enough growth that it's

710
00:26:59,360 --> 00:27:01,200
going to be very much. What is it? How

711
00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:03,039
much is that fire impact fee?

712
00:27:03,039 --> 00:27:04,720
>> I don't know how much it is, but the

713
00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:06,000
fund balance

714
00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:07,440
>> 481

715
00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:09,360
>> um is 481 right now.

716
00:27:09,360 --> 00:27:10,720
>> 481,000.

717
00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:11,200
>> Yes.

718
00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:13,919
>> That's all. which isn't enough to

719
00:27:13,919 --> 00:27:14,080
>> um

720
00:27:14,080 --> 00:27:16,640
>> I mean it's still a nice chunk.

721
00:27:16,640 --> 00:27:18,640
>> Well, but why would why I guess why

722
00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:20,320
wouldn't that go toward why would that

723
00:27:20,320 --> 00:27:23,440
go towards just like so if the building

724
00:27:23,440 --> 00:27:28,320
costs $5 million, you put $480,000

725
00:27:28,320 --> 00:27:30,880
down and that decreases the amount that

726
00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:33,679
you have to finance. Am I Am I missing

727
00:27:33,679 --> 00:27:36,159
something there? No, I could do that,

728
00:27:36,159 --> 00:27:37,120
too. But

729
00:27:37,120 --> 00:27:39,200
>> that's how I mean that's theoretically

730
00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:41,600
that's how I would personally prefer to

731
00:27:41,600 --> 00:27:46,720
see it is like, hey, we'll just put if we have to use that impact money

732
00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:47,039
>> Yeah.

733
00:27:47,039 --> 00:27:49,360
>> down. We just put it down and it lowers

734
00:27:49,360 --> 00:27:51,919
the cost of the building, but I don't

735
00:27:51,919 --> 00:27:54,799
like using it to make the payments for

736
00:27:54,799 --> 00:27:57,120
the first year. And then

737
00:27:57,120 --> 00:27:58,880
>> that's fine. I I

738
00:27:58,880 --> 00:28:00,480
>> No, it's And I hope you're not taking

739
00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:02,720
off the fence. That's that's the way I

740
00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:04,960
would see. And maybe that maybe that you

741
00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:06,320
personally I'm not an accountant. So

742
00:28:06,320 --> 00:28:07,679
>> I I think there's maybe it's not the

743
00:28:07,679 --> 00:28:08,559
smart way to do it.

744
00:28:08,559 --> 00:28:10,399
>> A million ways to skin a cat, right? And

745
00:28:10,399 --> 00:28:12,880
I think when we get to that point, we

746
00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:14,640
can be strategic like that

747
00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:18,399
>> to create this projection,

748
00:28:18,399 --> 00:28:22,720
right? Was my opinion or or thought or

749
00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:23,760
whatever, right?

750
00:28:23,760 --> 00:28:25,600
>> And that's why I kind of created it as a

751
00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:27,360
live spreadsheet so we could kind of

752
00:28:27,360 --> 00:28:31,039
move and groove and and see see how you

753
00:28:31,039 --> 00:28:33,760
guys want to see it. Um,

754
00:28:33,760 --> 00:28:34,240
>> I would,

755
00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:35,840
>> but you have a great point. Yes, you

756
00:28:35,840 --> 00:28:38,640
could do a 500,000 down payment. I don't

757
00:28:38,640 --> 00:28:40,000
think that's going to do much for the

758
00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:43,279
yearly payment. So, this still the 83%

759
00:28:43,279 --> 00:28:45,440
to your argument. I think is still

760
00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:46,640
pretty darn close.

761
00:28:46,640 --> 00:28:48,320
>> Ends up being the most transparent way

762
00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:49,760
of saying like this is how much it's

763
00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:51,760
going to

764
00:28:51,760 --> 00:28:55,520
>> So, but again, it's kind of moot moot

765
00:28:55,520 --> 00:29:00,000
point, right? It this is going to be for the people to

766
00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:03,760
decide. So why maybe are we discussing?

767
00:29:03,760 --> 00:29:06,000
>> Well, so what I'd like to get back to is

768
00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:07,919
this year. Let's talk about this year.

769
00:29:07,919 --> 00:29:09,600
>> Right. The only point of this slide

770
00:29:09,600 --> 00:29:11,120
wasn't really to get too much into the

771
00:29:11,120 --> 00:29:13,279
how we do the fire station, but just to

772
00:29:13,279 --> 00:29:16,399
show that once we do increase the

773
00:29:16,399 --> 00:29:17,919
property tax to take care of our true

774
00:29:17,919 --> 00:29:20,399
annual costs, then it does go back down

775
00:29:20,399 --> 00:29:22,320
into more of just what you're capturing

776
00:29:22,320 --> 00:29:24,240
for annual inflation. So you get down to

777
00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:27,360
this 5.270%.

778
00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:29,175
And I and I'll be honest,

779
00:29:29,175 --> 00:29:30,399
[clears throat] I want to stop the

780
00:29:30,399 --> 00:29:32,960
bleeding. I feel like we are just

781
00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:35,039
bleeding to death. And I can see a ship

782
00:29:35,039 --> 00:29:37,279
that's sinking and it's sinking fast.

783
00:29:37,279 --> 00:29:38,720
>> I was hoping that we would come up with

784
00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:41,919
a plan to not buy a thing, not spend,

785
00:29:41,919 --> 00:29:44,480
but figure out how we can get this $3

786
00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:47,679
million deficit under control, which

787
00:29:47,679 --> 00:29:51,919
means maybe do four years of 10% plus

788
00:29:51,919 --> 00:29:55,039
inflation of truth in taxation and save

789
00:29:55,039 --> 00:29:56,960
our money, not spend our money. and get

790
00:29:56,960 --> 00:30:00,159
it to the point where where our our

791
00:30:00,159 --> 00:30:03,360
revenues meet our expenditures. And I

792
00:30:03,360 --> 00:30:05,360
>> that's what we want to talk about.

793
00:30:05,360 --> 00:30:08,080
>> That's where I'm head. That's a good

794
00:30:08,080 --> 00:30:10,000
segue into the next section here.

795
00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:14,799
>> So this next tab, yes, I um if we just

796
00:30:14,799 --> 00:30:17,679
want to review fiscal year 26,

797
00:30:17,679 --> 00:30:20,640
here is what the 1.7 tax increase was

798
00:30:20,640 --> 00:30:21,279
covering.

799
00:30:21,279 --> 00:30:23,039
>> Okay. For last year that didn't go

800
00:30:23,039 --> 00:30:25,200
>> for last year. I'm sorry. I I can pull

801
00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:27,760
it up on this one too for now. Um, but I

802
00:30:27,760 --> 00:30:30,080
just created these so that they kind of

803
00:30:30,080 --> 00:30:31,840
talk together and I'll show you that in

804
00:30:31,840 --> 00:30:33,600
a minute.

805
00:30:33,600 --> 00:30:36,080
But if I scroll down, here's the review

806
00:30:36,080 --> 00:30:39,200
of the tax increase from last year that

807
00:30:39,200 --> 00:30:40,799
we voted on. And we all know what

808
00:30:40,799 --> 00:30:44,070
happened.

809
00:30:44,080 --> 00:30:46,080
So employee wages and benefits for a

810
00:30:46,080 --> 00:30:47,760
million, the new assistant attorney

811
00:30:47,760 --> 00:30:50,720
position, the new police sergeant,

812
00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:53,679
operations inflation, right? fuel costs

813
00:30:53,679 --> 00:30:57,200
going up, road base going up, uh fire

814
00:30:57,200 --> 00:31:00,480
equipment and and turnouts going up.

815
00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:02,799
Then what was new for 26 was the

816
00:31:02,799 --> 00:31:06,320
elections, general plan water update,

817
00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:08,320
the fieldhouse, an ambulance, and the

818
00:31:08,320 --> 00:31:09,919
mower.

819
00:31:09,919 --> 00:31:11,679
So the reason the Kazil fieldhouse

820
00:31:11,679 --> 00:31:14,880
dollar only shows 160 is because in

821
00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:18,960
fiscal year 25 we had 20

822
00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:22,240
four budgeted for Pioneer Park debt.

823
00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:26,000
that was finished in 25. So that 200 was

824
00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:29,520
already in the budget and then I'm just

825
00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:31,600
netting the difference to up it to that

826
00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:33,120
368 for Kisville.

827
00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:36,000
>> Okay. So rid of one bond payment and

828
00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:38,080
then we will add that payment to this

829
00:31:38,080 --> 00:31:38,559
next.

830
00:31:38,559 --> 00:31:40,399
>> Correct. So we didn't up that budget by

831
00:31:40,399 --> 00:31:43,519
the 368. We just upped it by the 160 cuz

832
00:31:43,519 --> 00:31:45,679
the Pioneer Plus. Does that make sense?

833
00:31:45,679 --> 00:31:46,399
>> Yeah.

834
00:31:46,399 --> 00:31:48,880
>> Same with the ambulance. We paid off a

835
00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:51,039
firet truck in 25. We got a new

836
00:31:51,039 --> 00:31:53,679
ambulance in 26. That's the net

837
00:31:53,679 --> 00:31:55,919
difference. And then I just found a

838
00:31:55,919 --> 00:31:58,720
budget um error with the mower lease we

839
00:31:58,720 --> 00:32:01,440
had. For some reason, it was budgeted

840
00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:04,159
6,000 less under than it should have

841
00:32:04,159 --> 00:32:06,640
been in 25.

842
00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:09,200
So if you add all of those up, that

843
00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:11,919
equals the 1.7

844
00:32:11,919 --> 00:32:13,840
>> and that's 32%.

845
00:32:13,840 --> 00:32:17,200
>> Last year it was like 31.16.

846
00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:19,600
>> Okay. because our tax rate was higher in

847
00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:22,240
25

848
00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:24,000
>> by not raising taxes, our rate went

849
00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:25,039
down.

850
00:32:25,039 --> 00:32:29,840
>> Yes. So then if I scroll up

851
00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:32,577
to um

852
00:32:32,577 --> 00:32:33,840
[snorts]

853
00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:35,840
27,

854
00:32:35,840 --> 00:32:42,149
sorry, I don't know why this is stuck.

855
00:32:42,159 --> 00:32:44,159
Well, that's annoying. Oh, there it

856
00:32:44,159 --> 00:32:47,600
goes. Okay. Um,

857
00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:51,600
the items in orange are kind of what I

858
00:32:51,600 --> 00:32:53,519
don't know if the best way to say it is

859
00:32:53,519 --> 00:32:56,080
catch up or kind of what I think is

860
00:32:56,080 --> 00:32:58,960
mustd do to make up for not getting that

861
00:32:58,960 --> 00:33:01,200
in 26.

862
00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:02,559
Um,

863
00:33:02,559 --> 00:33:04,320
>> okay. But when you say not getting it in

864
00:33:04,320 --> 00:33:06,960
26, these things were still paid. They

865
00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:08,640
were paid out of general fund balance.

866
00:33:08,640 --> 00:33:10,720
>> Correct. So I think we need to make it

867
00:33:10,720 --> 00:33:12,559
whole for fiscal year 27.

868
00:33:12,559 --> 00:33:15,440
>> The the the balance that was used since

869
00:33:15,440 --> 00:33:16,720
we didn't get our taxes.

870
00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:16,960
>> Correct.

871
00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:20,080
>> These are so those four orange lines.

872
00:33:20,080 --> 00:33:20,559
Yes.

873
00:33:20,559 --> 00:33:22,080
>> Your ongoing expenses that were

874
00:33:22,080 --> 00:33:24,720
committed to last year and that's why we

875
00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:26,880
need to create the new revenue source

876
00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:28,880
for them rather than continue to use

877
00:33:28,880 --> 00:33:30,399
fund balance.

878
00:33:30,399 --> 00:33:33,440
>> Right. So the fiscal year 26 employee

879
00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:35,279
wages

880
00:33:35,279 --> 00:33:37,840
um then fiscal year 27 employee wages

881
00:33:37,840 --> 00:33:41,679
and benefits is only the 323 because

882
00:33:41,679 --> 00:33:43,840
like we've talked about we budgeted

883
00:33:43,840 --> 00:33:46,640
insurance clo budgeted insurance closer

884
00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:48,640
to actual instead of family plans for

885
00:33:48,640 --> 00:33:49,840
everybody.

886
00:33:49,840 --> 00:33:53,519
>> Um I took everybody's actual and then

887
00:33:53,519 --> 00:33:56,320
there was only an increase of 2% with

888
00:33:56,320 --> 00:33:59,279
the U which was very very good for us.

889
00:33:59,279 --> 00:33:59,760
Right.

890
00:33:59,760 --> 00:34:03,679
>> Okay. Then in addition to that 323 are

891
00:34:03,679 --> 00:34:07,120
the new kind of things that we added. So

892
00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:09,679
that part-time police records clerk,

893
00:34:09,679 --> 00:34:12,000
council insurance, the assistant

894
00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:14,800
attorney from last year, and then deputy

895
00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:17,440
fire chief wages and benefits.

896
00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:19,679
>> So those are some easy cuts that we

897
00:34:19,679 --> 00:34:23,040
>> So those are Yes. Then fiscical year 26

898
00:34:23,040 --> 00:34:25,520
inflation is orange because we kind of

899
00:34:25,520 --> 00:34:28,480
we have to make up for that. fisc year

900
00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:32,480
26 new operations into 27. So like we

901
00:34:32,480 --> 00:34:34,159
talked about the fieldhouse, ambulance,

902
00:34:34,159 --> 00:34:37,040
the mower and then there we have fisc

903
00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:40,399
year 27 operations inflation

904
00:34:40,399 --> 00:34:44,800
for 439 and then operations new items

905
00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:47,440
the police drone we talked about PR

906
00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:50,960
services deputy chief vehicle and then

907
00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:54,480
here is the use of fund balance where we

908
00:34:54,480 --> 00:34:57,359
tried to get creative.

909
00:34:57,359 --> 00:35:00,079
um as staff because we were very

910
00:35:00,079 --> 00:35:03,200
sensitive to your guys's, you know,

911
00:35:03,200 --> 00:35:04,000
>> we need to go

912
00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:08,240
>> concerned to be um sensitive to the

913
00:35:08,240 --> 00:35:10,320
resident and the high rate and all of

914
00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:11,680
that, right? So, they use the fund

915
00:35:11,680 --> 00:35:16,720
balance for MBA and debt and police

916
00:35:16,720 --> 00:35:20,000
impact fee. And then Josh did some work

917
00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:22,160
and moved a whole bunch of line items

918
00:35:22,160 --> 00:35:24,400
from public works over to the roads fund

919
00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:27,839
that kind of fit there. So, salt Did we

920
00:35:27,839 --> 00:35:29,119
didn't spend that much money on salt

921
00:35:29,119 --> 00:35:29,760
last year?

922
00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:31,040
>> Oh, no. Because

923
00:35:31,040 --> 00:35:32,160
>> right there snow.

924
00:35:32,160 --> 00:35:33,760
>> There was no snow. But we're still

925
00:35:33,760 --> 00:35:35,760
moving those budgeted finite out of the

926
00:35:35,760 --> 00:35:36,720
budget.

927
00:35:36,720 --> 00:35:39,119
>> And it goes back into the general fund

928
00:35:39,119 --> 00:35:41,280
or no to those in

929
00:35:41,280 --> 00:35:43,200
>> it goes to roads the special revenue

930
00:35:43,200 --> 00:35:43,599
fund.

931
00:35:43,599 --> 00:35:44,000
>> Okay.

932
00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:45,280
>> Yes.

933
00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:49,440
>> So I've created this sheet so that if

934
00:35:49,440 --> 00:35:52,160
you told me Well, I know this one has

935
00:35:52,160 --> 00:35:54,320
been a topic of conversation.

936
00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:56,880
>> We could remove it. I'll put it over

937
00:35:56,880 --> 00:36:01,280
here as an item that then in will go

938
00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:03,920
into fiscal year 28

939
00:36:03,920 --> 00:36:06,480
>> and up here you can see that tax

940
00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:08,320
increase lowers. Okay.

941
00:36:08,320 --> 00:36:10,640
>> Now, obviously doing this and cutting

942
00:36:10,640 --> 00:36:13,200
and moving things is going to affect the

943
00:36:13,200 --> 00:36:14,720
projections,

944
00:36:14,720 --> 00:36:18,160
>> which is why I I at this point might

945
00:36:18,160 --> 00:36:20,720
just go to the split screen if that's

946
00:36:20,720 --> 00:36:22,079
what you guys want to do is start

947
00:36:22,079 --> 00:36:25,200
talking about cuts or kind of pushing

948
00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:30,320
things off. Um, we can kind of see real

949
00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:32,800
time what 27 does and what the

950
00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:34,800
projections do. But if you'd rather just

951
00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:38,720
see real time what 27 on the same

952
00:36:38,720 --> 00:36:41,200
screen, that's fine. I just don't think

953
00:36:41,200 --> 00:36:43,920
it's the full story to just kick it down

954
00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:45,760
the road and make it next year's problem

955
00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:47,440
or else we're going to be here again.

956
00:36:47,440 --> 00:36:50,079
>> I I to I understand that. But but some

957
00:36:50,079 --> 00:36:53,440
of these some of these things are not

958
00:36:53,440 --> 00:36:54,720
absolutely necessary.

959
00:36:54,720 --> 00:36:55,359
>> Correct.

960
00:36:55,359 --> 00:37:01,359
>> And so I think let us look at it. And if you and if you uh want to cut it

961
00:37:01,359 --> 00:37:03,280
forever, then I just wouldn't put it in

962
00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:03,920
this blue.

963
00:37:03,920 --> 00:37:04,320
>> Okay.

964
00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:06,079
>> If it's in the blue, that's where it's

965
00:37:06,079 --> 00:37:07,839
going to add to your 28.

966
00:37:07,839 --> 00:37:10,480
>> Okay. Okay. So, I guess it's okay to put

967
00:37:10,480 --> 00:37:12,079
it in the blue knowing that some of

968
00:37:12,079 --> 00:37:14,720
these positions we will be okay. We will

969
00:37:14,720 --> 00:37:16,800
survive as a city if we don't add them.

970
00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:18,400
And now I don't think is the right time

971
00:37:18,400 --> 00:37:19,839
to be adding positions.

972
00:37:19,839 --> 00:37:21,920
>> Mhm.

973
00:37:21,920 --> 00:37:23,440
>> I think we need to cut as much as we

974
00:37:23,440 --> 00:37:25,119
possibly can. Take everything off there

975
00:37:25,119 --> 00:37:27,359
that's not wasn't paid for and approved

976
00:37:27,359 --> 00:37:30,000
in the 206 budget. Just take it off.

977
00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:31,599
>> Yeah, just take it off and show us what

978
00:37:31,599 --> 00:37:33,680
we had last year.

979
00:37:33,680 --> 00:37:34,960
>> Why don't we just go down?

980
00:37:34,960 --> 00:37:36,320
>> Sorry. What do you mean? I don't know.

981
00:37:36,320 --> 00:37:40,160
>> So last year, so you you said um

982
00:37:40,160 --> 00:37:42,079
>> the records clerk, we did not hire that

983
00:37:42,079 --> 00:37:43,040
position yet.

984
00:37:43,040 --> 00:37:43,520
>> Correct.

985
00:37:43,520 --> 00:37:46,079
>> Right. So you can take that one off.

986
00:37:46,079 --> 00:37:49,829
>> Okay.

987
00:37:49,839 --> 00:37:51,599
Jason, is this where you want to kind of

988
00:37:51,599 --> 00:37:53,760
say recommendation or do we just want to

989
00:37:53,760 --> 00:37:54,480
go for it?

990
00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:57,280
>> I Well, um, when you say go for it, you

991
00:37:57,280 --> 00:37:58,960
mean just assume it's going to get put

992
00:37:58,960 --> 00:38:00,320
in next year's budget?

993
00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:04,160
>> Well, or your four prior like your list.

994
00:38:04,160 --> 00:38:05,760
>> But let me ask you this. Is there

995
00:38:05,760 --> 00:38:09,280
possibility? Because Saul, I mean,

996
00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:09,680
>> yeah,

997
00:38:09,680 --> 00:38:11,680
>> I went to that university thing and I

998
00:38:11,680 --> 00:38:15,040
saw and it out of all the city that is

999
00:38:15,040 --> 00:38:16,800
the one thing where that girl is going

1000
00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:18,400
to walk out of here if she doesn't get

1001
00:38:18,400 --> 00:38:19,839
some. for sure.

1002
00:38:19,839 --> 00:38:22,800
>> And um I mean that is truly the one

1003
00:38:22,800 --> 00:38:25,440
thing that I can say she has zero backup

1004
00:38:25,440 --> 00:38:27,839
to and doesn't have any way. And I

1005
00:38:27,839 --> 00:38:31,760
didn't know if Chief Oberg in his budget

1006
00:38:31,760 --> 00:38:35,599
of personnel because we budget the max

1007
00:38:35,599 --> 00:38:38,240
could figure out a way to eat that

1008
00:38:38,240 --> 00:38:39,920
$29,000

1009
00:38:39,920 --> 00:38:41,760
in his budget.

1010
00:38:41,760 --> 00:38:42,240
>> And that's

1011
00:38:42,240 --> 00:38:44,720
>> What do you mean by we budget the max?

1012
00:38:44,720 --> 00:38:47,359
>> Yeah. Well, usually we budget at the top

1013
00:38:47,359 --> 00:38:48,720
end of the pay scale

1014
00:38:48,720 --> 00:38:49,200
>> on the pay.

1015
00:38:49,200 --> 00:38:50,640
>> No, we budget actual.

1016
00:38:50,640 --> 00:38:52,400
>> You've changed it in the in the past.

1017
00:38:52,400 --> 00:38:52,880
It's been

1018
00:38:52,880 --> 00:38:54,240
>> I think you're thinking about maybe how

1019
00:38:54,240 --> 00:38:55,599
we used to budget for everyone getting

1020
00:38:55,599 --> 00:38:57,520
family health insurance, but we don't do

1021
00:38:57,520 --> 00:38:58,400
that anymore either.

1022
00:38:58,400 --> 00:38:59,520
>> We're not doing that anymore.

1023
00:38:59,520 --> 00:39:03,280
>> U maybe maybe how he budgets for a full

1024
00:39:03,280 --> 00:39:05,040
staff. I guess he is full now.

1025
00:39:05,040 --> 00:39:06,800
>> He is full, but he hasn't been in the

1026
00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:08,480
past. But I don't know what his all of

1027
00:39:08,480 --> 00:39:10,480
his operations budgets are. I don't know

1028
00:39:10,480 --> 00:39:12,640
what things he could put on her as a

1029
00:39:12,640 --> 00:39:15,119
line item. I don't know. could be split

1030
00:39:15,119 --> 00:39:16,079
between two different

1031
00:39:16,079 --> 00:39:17,760
>> if he can split it between 10 of his

1032
00:39:17,760 --> 00:39:19,599
different accounts, his video accounts,

1033
00:39:19,599 --> 00:39:20,880
his operation. You know,

1034
00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:23,280
>> I I really don't like to I don't think

1035
00:39:23,280 --> 00:39:25,920
it's transparent. Um I think if you're

1036
00:39:25,920 --> 00:39:27,599
going to budget for something, put it in

1037
00:39:27,599 --> 00:39:30,800
there. Um otherwise that the budget is

1038
00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:32,320
we're trying to tell a story and if

1039
00:39:32,320 --> 00:39:33,760
there's a new position, let's put the

1040
00:39:33,760 --> 00:39:35,040
new position in there.

1041
00:39:35,040 --> 00:39:36,560
>> But it could be funded by other line

1042
00:39:36,560 --> 00:39:39,280
items. Other cities do that

1043
00:39:39,280 --> 00:39:42,000
>> reduce other line items. I mean,

1044
00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:44,160
>> other other cities do. I met with like I

1045
00:39:44,160 --> 00:39:46,640
told you um a city today the finance

1046
00:39:46,640 --> 00:39:48,240
director and she said their lobbyist for

1047
00:39:48,240 --> 00:39:50,480
example is paid from several different

1048
00:39:50,480 --> 00:39:52,079
line items because he represents

1049
00:39:52,079 --> 00:39:53,520
different departments depending on what

1050
00:39:53,520 --> 00:39:54,079
he's lobbying

1051
00:39:54,079 --> 00:39:55,680
>> right that makes sense they share that

1052
00:39:55,680 --> 00:39:56,480
cost

1053
00:39:56,480 --> 00:39:58,320
>> we'll distribute cost and I'm saying

1054
00:39:58,320 --> 00:40:00,079
that too I'm just saying whatever Chief

1055
00:40:00,079 --> 00:40:02,320
Oberg's full budget was last year did he

1056
00:40:02,320 --> 00:40:04,400
spend every dime or did he actually have

1057
00:40:04,400 --> 00:40:06,320
some cushion there that he didn't

1058
00:40:06,320 --> 00:40:07,599
>> cushion right because

1059
00:40:07,599 --> 00:40:09,200
>> okay and that's what I'm asking was

1060
00:40:09,200 --> 00:40:10,800
there somewhere in that what he did was

1061
00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:12,240
there enough cushion that he could pay

1062
00:40:12,240 --> 00:40:15,359
for in 26. Yes. In 27, we took all of

1063
00:40:15,359 --> 00:40:16,079
that out.

1064
00:40:16,079 --> 00:40:17,040
>> Okay.

1065
00:40:17,040 --> 00:40:17,839
>> All right.

1066
00:40:17,839 --> 00:40:19,599
>> So, I think that's one that we come back

1067
00:40:19,599 --> 00:40:21,200
to because I think we could all agree

1068
00:40:21,200 --> 00:40:23,119
that's an essential position that we

1069
00:40:23,119 --> 00:40:23,680
need.

1070
00:40:23,680 --> 00:40:24,400
>> Back over.

1071
00:40:24,400 --> 00:40:25,760
>> And so,

1072
00:40:25,760 --> 00:40:27,920
>> for now, now

1073
00:40:27,920 --> 00:40:30,000
>> maybe for now, put it back in and then

1074
00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:31,680
see where we're at. I guess the question

1075
00:40:31,680 --> 00:40:33,920
I would also ask too, I mean council

1076
00:40:33,920 --> 00:40:35,440
insurance, we've talked about that, but

1077
00:40:35,440 --> 00:40:38,880
as we go through this, like

1078
00:40:38,880 --> 00:40:41,680
what is what is so bad about this year

1079
00:40:41,680 --> 00:40:43,839
that moving it to next year makes it any

1080
00:40:43,839 --> 00:40:46,240
different? Cuz then next year will also

1081
00:40:46,240 --> 00:40:47,680
be bad, right?

1082
00:40:47,680 --> 00:40:48,640
>> Just take it out.

1083
00:40:48,640 --> 00:40:50,000
>> I think we should take it out

1084
00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:52,240
completely. I'm not interested in

1085
00:40:52,240 --> 00:40:54,000
>> in I'm sorry, which one? Council

1086
00:40:54,000 --> 00:40:56,480
insurance. Okay, that one specifically.

1087
00:40:56,480 --> 00:40:57,359
Sure.

1088
00:40:57,359 --> 00:41:00,960
>> Even [clears throat] next year. Yeah, I think that the difference could be

1089
00:41:00,960 --> 00:41:02,560
that right now we're in the middle of a

1090
00:41:02,560 --> 00:41:03,599
war.

1091
00:41:03,599 --> 00:41:04,000
>> Fair.

1092
00:41:04,000 --> 00:41:05,839
>> Inflation [clears throat] is high. The

1093
00:41:05,839 --> 00:41:07,359
economyy's changed drastically since

1094
00:41:07,359 --> 00:41:08,960
last year

1095
00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:10,800
>> and and people are really struggling.

1096
00:41:10,800 --> 00:41:13,280
And I hope that it changes. I don't

1097
00:41:13,280 --> 00:41:14,960
>> So, it's more of a hope that next year's

1098
00:41:14,960 --> 00:41:15,280
better.

1099
00:41:15,280 --> 00:41:16,800
>> It is a hope that next year's better and

1100
00:41:16,800 --> 00:41:19,040
maybe we have some staffing changes

1101
00:41:19,040 --> 00:41:21,119
internally where we could open up some

1102
00:41:21,119 --> 00:41:23,280
positions.

1103
00:41:23,280 --> 00:41:26,960
>> Sure. Okay. I would say a couple years

1104
00:41:26,960 --> 00:41:30,000
to because to council member Blackatch,

1105
00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:33,839
>> we need to catch up and get more stable.

1106
00:41:33,839 --> 00:41:35,680
>> I think we're here because we did we

1107
00:41:35,680 --> 00:41:37,440
over the last couple years for anyone we

1108
00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:38,960
have used fund balance. Yes.

1109
00:41:38,960 --> 00:41:41,520
>> Quite often and that's not good and I've

1110
00:41:41,520 --> 00:41:44,720
been seeing that that's not a good habit

1111
00:41:44,720 --> 00:41:46,880
>> and that's why

1112
00:41:46,880 --> 00:41:48,400
offset us a little bit. Sorry, but

1113
00:41:48,400 --> 00:41:50,079
that's not that's not sustainable.

1114
00:41:50,079 --> 00:41:50,880
>> Correct.

1115
00:41:50,880 --> 00:41:53,599
>> And so we can't do that anymore.

1116
00:41:53,599 --> 00:41:55,359
>> Yeah. And we've been doing that because

1117
00:41:55,359 --> 00:41:55,520
of

1118
00:41:55,520 --> 00:41:58,400
>> co we've been doing it to be responsible

1119
00:41:58,400 --> 00:42:00,240
but it's really not the most transparent

1120
00:42:00,240 --> 00:42:01,920
way to budget because then it looks like

1121
00:42:01,920 --> 00:42:04,319
we're okay when we're actually not okay.

1122
00:42:04,319 --> 00:42:08,240
>> It it's not but on the other hand

1123
00:42:08,240 --> 00:42:10,319
we've had a very healthy fund balance.

1124
00:42:10,319 --> 00:42:11,680
>> Well we have but now we don't

1125
00:42:11,680 --> 00:42:14,400
>> as of 2025 which is the last year we had

1126
00:42:14,400 --> 00:42:17,280
this that was our last one. So last year

1127
00:42:17,280 --> 00:42:18,240
this is our

1128
00:42:18,240 --> 00:42:21,680
>> we had $7,799,000

1129
00:42:21,680 --> 00:42:23,839
in fund balance. spend it fast.

1130
00:42:23,839 --> 00:42:25,680
>> Had that's what I say.

1131
00:42:25,680 --> 00:42:27,599
>> Some of that is restricted money.

1132
00:42:27,599 --> 00:42:28,319
>> Yes.

1133
00:42:28,319 --> 00:42:32,000
>> The unrestricted portion is a 7.5.

1134
00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:33,680
>> Okay. 7.5.

1135
00:42:33,680 --> 00:42:34,240
>> Yes.

1136
00:42:34,240 --> 00:42:38,160
>> Yeah. And that's why to the fund balance

1137
00:42:38,160 --> 00:42:42,560
point in 28 2930 in my projections I'm

1138
00:42:42,560 --> 00:42:44,800
not using fund balance. So that's also

1139
00:42:44,800 --> 00:42:47,119
why that percentage is a little bit high

1140
00:42:47,119 --> 00:42:49,920
because we're making up for that millin

1141
00:42:49,920 --> 00:42:51,760
we've used for at least the last three

1142
00:42:51,760 --> 00:42:52,960
years.

1143
00:42:52,960 --> 00:42:55,359
>> And I can look at history before that if

1144
00:42:55,359 --> 00:42:58,480
you would like, but we know in 25 it was

1145
00:42:58,480 --> 00:43:02,640
1.1, 26 it was 991

1146
00:43:02,640 --> 00:43:05,599
and 27 we're suggesting 950.

1147
00:43:05,599 --> 00:43:06,640
>> Yeah, that's

1148
00:43:06,640 --> 00:43:12,150
>> right.

1149
00:43:12,160 --> 00:43:13,829
Okay. What's the next item?

1150
00:43:13,829 --> 00:43:14,720
[clears throat]

1151
00:43:14,720 --> 00:43:15,920
>> So, the next item would be

1152
00:43:15,920 --> 00:43:18,400
>> I also put this I'm sorry in the four

1153
00:43:18,400 --> 00:43:22,079
pages I passed out. Um, this one is in

1154
00:43:22,079 --> 00:43:24,160
there. If you can't see that side, I

1155
00:43:24,160 --> 00:43:28,950
apologize.

1156
00:43:28,960 --> 00:43:31,760
» Yeah. Um, and I didn't point this.

1157
00:43:31,760 --> 00:43:34,950
Sorry.

1158
00:43:34,960 --> 00:43:38,079
» And I didn't point this out. I think you

1159
00:43:38,079 --> 00:43:40,640
can see it, but I've also made that home

1160
00:43:40,640 --> 00:43:44,640
value annual increase live as well.

1161
00:43:44,640 --> 00:43:47,599
>> Um, so that 690 pink line is the one

1162
00:43:47,599 --> 00:43:50,000
we've talked about that the average home

1163
00:43:50,000 --> 00:43:53,359
in Cisville to U Councilman Blackman's

1164
00:43:53,359 --> 00:43:55,280
point. I added some more home values.

1165
00:43:55,280 --> 00:43:57,280
So, you'll see those monthly increases

1166
00:43:57,280 --> 00:43:59,760
shift as we move items as well.

1167
00:43:59,760 --> 00:44:01,119
>> That's really helpful. Thank you.

1168
00:44:01,119 --> 00:44:02,480
>> I appreciate the dollar amount.

1169
00:44:02,480 --> 00:44:04,560
>> Very proud of this.

1170
00:44:04,560 --> 00:44:07,540
>> Yeah. Great. Good job.

1171
00:44:07,540 --> 00:44:07,839
>> [laughter]

1172
00:44:07,839 --> 00:44:09,599
>> You guys are killing it with Excel.

1173
00:44:09,599 --> 00:44:11,920
>> The uh Oh, yeah. You want to see what I

1174
00:44:11,920 --> 00:44:13,280
can do? I'm just kidding.

1175
00:44:13,280 --> 00:44:16,960
>> No, this [laughter] this is so good. Um,

1176
00:44:16,960 --> 00:44:18,240
can you see like what just happened

1177
00:44:18,240 --> 00:44:20,240
there? When you took out council health

1178
00:44:20,240 --> 00:44:23,200
insurance, it changed the monthly cost

1179
00:44:23,200 --> 00:44:26,400
to the residents from 1480 to 1374.

1180
00:44:26,400 --> 00:44:27,040
>> Yes.

1181
00:44:27,040 --> 00:44:28,400
>> So, yeah.

1182
00:44:28,400 --> 00:44:31,200
>> Okay. What else can we

1183
00:44:31,200 --> 00:44:34,319
>> um ask one more quick question?

1184
00:44:34,319 --> 00:44:37,520
>> Yes. Sorry. So, we're taking things off

1185
00:44:37,520 --> 00:44:40,079
and it's lowering the tax increase is

1186
00:44:40,079 --> 00:44:43,040
but I thought our hope was in general to

1187
00:44:43,040 --> 00:44:44,319
lower the amount we're taking out of

1188
00:44:44,319 --> 00:44:45,520
fund balance. So, how are

1189
00:44:45,520 --> 00:44:47,920
>> we have that we have that tab as well.

1190
00:44:47,920 --> 00:44:50,319
Those are it's not related. So, we can

1191
00:44:50,319 --> 00:44:51,760
play this game with fund balance as

1192
00:44:51,760 --> 00:44:52,000
well.

1193
00:44:52,000 --> 00:44:52,640
>> Excellent.

1194
00:44:52,640 --> 00:44:53,440
>> Yeah,

1195
00:44:53,440 --> 00:44:56,319
>> that one's next.

1196
00:44:56,319 --> 00:44:58,240
>> Um,

1197
00:44:58,240 --> 00:45:00,240
>> okay.

1198
00:45:00,240 --> 00:45:02,480
>> Yeah. I mean, do we want to just explain

1199
00:45:02,480 --> 00:45:04,400
what these mean again? So, as you as

1200
00:45:04,400 --> 00:45:06,160
Marin just said, the 40,000 for the

1201
00:45:06,160 --> 00:45:07,359
assistant attorney, even though that was

1202
00:45:07,359 --> 00:45:09,440
something that was funded this year,

1203
00:45:09,440 --> 00:45:11,839
part of the cost was offset by the fact

1204
00:45:11,839 --> 00:45:13,680
that we didn't budget for a part-time

1205
00:45:13,680 --> 00:45:15,359
law clerk. We used to have a part-time

1206
00:45:15,359 --> 00:45:18,800
law clerk. So, come FY27, it'll be the

1207
00:45:18,800 --> 00:45:20,640
full cost, meaning the balance of that

1208
00:45:20,640 --> 00:45:22,560
would be the 40,000.

1209
00:45:22,560 --> 00:45:25,520
>> Yeah. So, the 135 from last year for the

1210
00:45:25,520 --> 00:45:28,640
assistant is in fiscal year 27 wages and

1211
00:45:28,640 --> 00:45:30,400
benefits, but we just have to make up

1212
00:45:30,400 --> 00:45:32,480
for the difference as a part-time law

1213
00:45:32,480 --> 00:45:33,280
clerk. Okay.

1214
00:45:33,280 --> 00:45:36,560
>> Is the FY27 employee wages and benefits,

1215
00:45:36,560 --> 00:45:40,160
does that is that include the uh merit

1216
00:45:40,160 --> 00:45:42,000
or we're not calling it merit anymore.

1217
00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:42,800
>> Yeah. Step

1218
00:45:42,800 --> 00:45:44,400
>> what is that? What are those numbers?

1219
00:45:44,400 --> 00:45:48,400
Just so cuz I know the merit I mean the

1220
00:45:48,400 --> 00:45:52,560
>> we just step. Okay. The step is 3%. The

1221
00:45:52,560 --> 00:45:54,240
uh but what is what do you have?

1222
00:45:54,240 --> 00:45:57,359
>> Cola cola is 2.5.

1223
00:45:57,359 --> 00:46:00,480
>> Okay. um which is the same as last year

1224
00:46:00,480 --> 00:46:04,480
was it was 3% uh for the staff for merit

1225
00:46:04,480 --> 00:46:09,440
and 2.5% for the cola. Um and and

1226
00:46:09,440 --> 00:46:11,440
something I I I think I don't maybe

1227
00:46:11,440 --> 00:46:14,400
remind all of us enough about is when we

1228
00:46:14,400 --> 00:46:17,280
say we're going to budget for a 3% step,

1229
00:46:17,280 --> 00:46:18,960
it doesn't mean we're budgeting

1230
00:46:18,960 --> 00:46:21,359
personnel costs to go up 3%. It just

1231
00:46:21,359 --> 00:46:24,160
means really it's it's really a net

1232
00:46:24,160 --> 00:46:25,680
neutral

1233
00:46:25,680 --> 00:46:27,440
um because

1234
00:46:27,440 --> 00:46:29,040
a lot of people are at the top of the

1235
00:46:29,040 --> 00:46:30,560
range and so they're not getting

1236
00:46:30,560 --> 00:46:33,040
anything of that 3% step. A lot of

1237
00:46:33,040 --> 00:46:34,640
people are starting brand new because

1238
00:46:34,640 --> 00:46:36,160
there was somebody at the top that

1239
00:46:36,160 --> 00:46:37,680
retired or left that position. Now

1240
00:46:37,680 --> 00:46:39,440
you're starting new. But over time as

1241
00:46:39,440 --> 00:46:41,680
you look at that it doesn't really

1242
00:46:41,680 --> 00:46:44,240
change. Um people are moving through the

1243
00:46:44,240 --> 00:46:46,560
steps at different rates. But um

1244
00:46:46,560 --> 00:46:50,319
>> so you do you do budget 4 3% at all

1245
00:46:50,319 --> 00:46:52,640
across the board even I guess I'm

1246
00:46:52,640 --> 00:46:54,800
confused why you wouldn't use your

1247
00:46:54,800 --> 00:46:58,079
amazing Excel technique and like have

1248
00:46:58,079 --> 00:47:00,480
the people who aren't who are tapped out

1249
00:47:00,480 --> 00:47:03,359
just like we don't even budget for them

1250
00:47:03,359 --> 00:47:05,359
that it's already that way and the

1251
00:47:05,359 --> 00:47:07,920
reason is because if we budgeted for a

1252
00:47:07,920 --> 00:47:13,200
3% merit or step last year that doesn't increase the next year if

1253
00:47:13,200 --> 00:47:15,440
it's 3% again cuz we've already covered

1254
00:47:15,440 --> 00:47:16,960
that cost if that makes sense.

1255
00:47:16,960 --> 00:47:17,440
>> Yeah.

1256
00:47:17,440 --> 00:47:20,079
>> Um you can think of it as of employees

1257
00:47:20,079 --> 00:47:21,920
offsetting each other. You know where if

1258
00:47:21,920 --> 00:47:23,520
some if somebody starting brand new and

1259
00:47:23,520 --> 00:47:24,800
starting to move up in the range that's

1260
00:47:24,800 --> 00:47:26,480
because somebody else retired or left

1261
00:47:26,480 --> 00:47:28,160
that position. So it's all just kind of

1262
00:47:28,160 --> 00:47:29,119
offsetting.

1263
00:47:29,119 --> 00:47:31,040
>> The only thing that really increases

1264
00:47:31,040 --> 00:47:34,319
personnel costs or wages is cola or

1265
00:47:34,319 --> 00:47:36,400
market kind of adjustments that actually

1266
00:47:36,400 --> 00:47:38,560
move the ranges themselves up.

1267
00:47:38,560 --> 00:47:40,880
>> Yeah. So, and so we did budget a 2 and

1268
00:47:40,880 --> 00:47:45,359
a.5% cola uh this year uh or this for

1269
00:47:45,359 --> 00:47:47,200
FY27

1270
00:47:47,200 --> 00:47:47,520
and

1271
00:47:47,520 --> 00:47:50,400
>> which is equivalent to just roughly do

1272
00:47:50,400 --> 00:47:52,079
you know how much

1273
00:47:52,079 --> 00:47:55,359
>> Oh gosh, it's about it's about 45,000

1274
00:47:55,359 --> 00:47:59,359
for every half percent. So

1275
00:47:59,359 --> 00:48:02,160
yeah, 200 something,000 200,000

1276
00:48:02,160 --> 00:48:04,240
>> 45,000 for half%. Okay.

1277
00:48:04,240 --> 00:48:06,640
>> Okay, great. Okay. Um,

1278
00:48:06,640 --> 00:48:07,520
>> so

1279
00:48:07,520 --> 00:48:10,240
>> and and as far as well I mean market

1280
00:48:10,240 --> 00:48:12,319
goes, we've talked about it before, but

1281
00:48:12,319 --> 00:48:14,880
um we are using Davis County as our

1282
00:48:14,880 --> 00:48:17,119
comparators. We're we're shooting for

1283
00:48:17,119 --> 00:48:19,760
trying to get employees to uh at least

1284
00:48:19,760 --> 00:48:23,440
5% below the average um wage for Davis

1285
00:48:23,440 --> 00:48:24,800
County cities.

1286
00:48:24,800 --> 00:48:26,400
>> So that's that's kind of what drives

1287
00:48:26,400 --> 00:48:29,119
that 323 in addition to the health

1288
00:48:29,119 --> 00:48:31,040
insurance costs going up and stuff.

1289
00:48:31,040 --> 00:48:31,520
>> Okay.

1290
00:48:31,520 --> 00:48:34,160
>> Plus plus budgeting closer to actual,

1291
00:48:34,160 --> 00:48:36,240
right? Okay. Yep.

1292
00:48:36,240 --> 00:48:38,960
So the next thing, assistant attorney,

1293
00:48:38,960 --> 00:48:41,280
we already

1294
00:48:41,280 --> 00:48:43,760
>> I think I would recommend keeping that.

1295
00:48:43,760 --> 00:48:44,160
I don't know.

1296
00:48:44,160 --> 00:48:46,160
>> Yeah. So next thing is deputy fire

1297
00:48:46,160 --> 00:48:46,559
chief.

1298
00:48:46,559 --> 00:48:47,760
>> Deputy fire chief.

1299
00:48:47,760 --> 00:48:49,359
>> Okay. So

1300
00:48:49,359 --> 00:48:50,480
>> that's 300,000.

1301
00:48:50,480 --> 00:48:52,000
>> I know he's been asking for a couple

1302
00:48:52,000 --> 00:48:55,119
years, but I I think that I bet he'd

1303
00:48:55,119 --> 00:48:56,160
take one for the team.

1304
00:48:56,160 --> 00:48:56,960
>> It's a bad

1305
00:48:56,960 --> 00:48:59,599
>> if we could postpone that conversation.

1306
00:48:59,599 --> 00:49:01,760
>> That would take

1307
00:49:01,760 --> 00:49:03,359
That's a lot of money. It is a lot of

1308
00:49:03,359 --> 00:49:05,119
money. and I appreciate you.

1309
00:49:05,119 --> 00:49:06,720
>> I know it's hard for you.

1310
00:49:06,720 --> 00:49:08,319
>> I know that's a hard for you.

1311
00:49:08,319 --> 00:49:09,520
>> Um

1312
00:49:09,520 --> 00:49:10,720
>> 204,000.

1313
00:49:10,720 --> 00:49:11,280
>> Mhm. Yeah,

1314
00:49:11,280 --> 00:49:12,000
>> that's a lot.

1315
00:49:12,000 --> 00:49:14,559
>> It's a lot of money. Um I

1316
00:49:14,559 --> 00:49:17,119
>> if Chief were to take one for the team,

1317
00:49:17,119 --> 00:49:18,960
um the important thing there is like it

1318
00:49:18,960 --> 00:49:20,559
can't be one of those like just

1319
00:49:20,559 --> 00:49:21,760
>> put it off forever and ever. It just

1320
00:49:21,760 --> 00:49:24,400
means hey that position it does need to

1321
00:49:24,400 --> 00:49:26,640
get funded. Um we've been recommending

1322
00:49:26,640 --> 00:49:29,440
it for a long time. I feel like that

1323
00:49:29,440 --> 00:49:31,280
would be an easy one after the vote

1324
00:49:31,280 --> 00:49:33,920
because if if if in fact the if in fact

1325
00:49:33,920 --> 00:49:35,920
the vote is yes,

1326
00:49:35,920 --> 00:49:38,319
>> then that will be an easy one to tack on

1327
00:49:38,319 --> 00:49:42,240
to the expense of doing you know the p

1328
00:49:42,240 --> 00:49:43,520
part of the personnel that we're going

1329
00:49:43,520 --> 00:49:45,520
to have to hire for the new station

1330
00:49:45,520 --> 00:49:48,799
>> station. Uh and then uh if it

1331
00:49:48,799 --> 00:49:51,760
[clears throat] doesn't pass then the

1332
00:49:51,760 --> 00:49:53,680
other thing that we have to do is we

1333
00:49:53,680 --> 00:49:56,800
have to update the current station and

1334
00:49:56,800 --> 00:49:59,760
that is a great time to additionally add

1335
00:49:59,760 --> 00:50:03,440
the add the deputy fire chief.

1336
00:50:03,440 --> 00:50:05,520
>> And to council member Adam's point if we

1337
00:50:05,520 --> 00:50:07,200
do have a new station over there

1338
00:50:07,200 --> 00:50:08,800
technically it would be the deputy chief

1339
00:50:08,800 --> 00:50:11,520
that would run that station. Correct.

1340
00:50:11,520 --> 00:50:12,160
>> Have no idea.

1341
00:50:12,160 --> 00:50:14,480
>> Or kind of overseas.

1342
00:50:14,480 --> 00:50:16,480
>> Not necessarily. Yeah. Not necessarily.

1343
00:50:16,480 --> 00:50:18,720
Um, but it is adding you're adding a

1344
00:50:18,720 --> 00:50:20,000
whole bunch of new staff which just

1345
00:50:20,000 --> 00:50:21,680
increases the administrative burden that

1346
00:50:21,680 --> 00:50:26,319
much more. Um, so the idea I think would

1347
00:50:26,319 --> 00:50:29,280
be if if the station were to be approved

1348
00:50:29,280 --> 00:50:31,200
certainly when you budget to you know

1349
00:50:31,200 --> 00:50:32,160
add those [clears throat] all those new

1350
00:50:32,160 --> 00:50:34,640
positions having another you know

1351
00:50:34,640 --> 00:50:36,400
administrator to kind of help oversee

1352
00:50:36,400 --> 00:50:37,920
that in addition to all the other stuff

1353
00:50:37,920 --> 00:50:39,280
that he's been doing for the last

1354
00:50:39,280 --> 00:50:43,040
several years. Um, so but yeah, to push

1355
00:50:43,040 --> 00:50:45,599
it off one year, I think the chief is

1356
00:50:45,599 --> 00:50:47,359
willing to take one for the team.

1357
00:50:47,359 --> 00:50:49,440
>> He's been asking for three, four years.

1358
00:50:49,440 --> 00:50:51,359
I I get that. But that's a huge expense

1359
00:50:51,359 --> 00:50:52,880
right now, especially where the second

1360
00:50:52,880 --> 00:50:54,800
station is in limbo.

1361
00:50:54,800 --> 00:50:57,119
>> I I would I would put it on staff to

1362
00:50:57,119 --> 00:50:59,119
figure out if you want him to have that

1363
00:50:59,119 --> 00:51:01,040
position next year, you guys figure out

1364
00:51:01,040 --> 00:51:03,200
how to fund it.

1365
00:51:03,200 --> 00:51:06,400
Figure out make the numbers work

1366
00:51:06,400 --> 00:51:08,160
because,

1367
00:51:08,160 --> 00:51:09,760
you know, we need to catch up. We need

1368
00:51:09,760 --> 00:51:10,640
to catch it first.

1369
00:51:10,640 --> 00:51:11,520
>> Yeah, that's what that's what I'm

1370
00:51:11,520 --> 00:51:12,240
saying. We need to catch

1371
00:51:12,240 --> 00:51:13,520
>> Call it a hiring freeze. Call it

1372
00:51:13,520 --> 00:51:14,800
whatever you want. Call it the council.

1373
00:51:14,800 --> 00:51:16,720
Won't let us hire anybody. Fine. But we

1374
00:51:16,720 --> 00:51:18,559
need to get this in under control.

1375
00:51:18,559 --> 00:51:19,040
>> Yeah.

1376
00:51:19,040 --> 00:51:22,400
>> What is operations inflation?

1377
00:51:22,400 --> 00:51:24,400
>> Uh operations inflation

1378
00:51:24,400 --> 00:51:28,950
>> 439,400.

1379
00:51:28,960 --> 00:51:31,440
» Um Oh.

1380
00:51:31,440 --> 00:51:35,040
>> Uh that that's boy. I mean everything.

1381
00:51:35,040 --> 00:51:37,680
It's everything from

1382
00:51:37,680 --> 00:51:40,000
fire boots and turnout gear going up to

1383
00:51:40,000 --> 00:51:42,720
vehicles and fuel and it's just

1384
00:51:42,720 --> 00:51:44,640
everything that we've been seeing. Uh

1385
00:51:44,640 --> 00:51:45,920
>> hard hard costs.

1386
00:51:45,920 --> 00:51:48,079
>> These these are these are

1387
00:51:48,079 --> 00:51:49,200
>> no

1388
00:51:49,200 --> 00:51:49,920
>> I mean

1389
00:51:49,920 --> 00:51:50,880
>> these are soft costs.

1390
00:51:50,880 --> 00:51:54,079
>> Soft costs. These are nothing is new.

1391
00:51:54,079 --> 00:51:55,599
These aren't new items that we're

1392
00:51:55,599 --> 00:51:57,280
budgeting for. This is just

1393
00:51:57,280 --> 00:51:59,520
>> software went up. We can't control that.

1394
00:51:59,520 --> 00:52:01,280
Those seem

1395
00:52:01,280 --> 00:52:03,200
>> I guess but I guess I'm maybe using the

1396
00:52:03,200 --> 00:52:05,119
wrong word. But when I say hard meaning

1397
00:52:05,119 --> 00:52:06,400
there's nothing we can do about it.

1398
00:52:06,400 --> 00:52:07,599
>> Oh, right.

1399
00:52:07,599 --> 00:52:09,520
>> But my question is there's already line

1400
00:52:09,520 --> 00:52:11,440
items for these guys to purchase all of

1401
00:52:11,440 --> 00:52:13,280
these things and you're saying that is

1402
00:52:13,280 --> 00:52:14,960
an increase of those.

1403
00:52:14,960 --> 00:52:15,599
>> Correct.

1404
00:52:15,599 --> 00:52:17,680
>> That's exactly what we're saying. Yeah.

1405
00:52:17,680 --> 00:52:19,440
>> These are none of these things are new

1406
00:52:19,440 --> 00:52:21,760
line items. No new items at all. These

1407
00:52:21,760 --> 00:52:24,720
are simply the current existing

1408
00:52:24,720 --> 00:52:28,079
>> software, equipment, vehicles, fuel that

1409
00:52:28,079 --> 00:52:30,000
we've been budgeting all along for many

1410
00:52:30,000 --> 00:52:33,599
years, but those are all going up and

1411
00:52:33,599 --> 00:52:35,680
>> we can kind of go into the anecdotal,

1412
00:52:35,680 --> 00:52:37,680
yeah, information of like here's how

1413
00:52:37,680 --> 00:52:39,599
much, you know, a new set of fire boots

1414
00:52:39,599 --> 00:52:41,200
cost or here's how much this software

1415
00:52:41,200 --> 00:52:44,480
license costs. But they're all going up

1416
00:52:44,480 --> 00:52:46,000
and we've seen it all in our personal

1417
00:52:46,000 --> 00:52:47,680
lives, too. But everything is just

1418
00:52:47,680 --> 00:52:49,920
>> But but is this just strictly the

1419
00:52:49,920 --> 00:52:51,440
general fund? Yes.

1420
00:52:51,440 --> 00:52:51,839
>> Yes.

1421
00:52:51,839 --> 00:52:53,359
>> You're not talking about any of the

1422
00:52:53,359 --> 00:52:54,319
enterprise funds.

1423
00:52:54,319 --> 00:52:55,680
>> Correct.

1424
00:52:55,680 --> 00:52:57,520
>> Or special revenues. This is strictly

1425
00:52:57,520 --> 00:52:58,640
general

1426
00:52:58,640 --> 00:52:59,200
>> fund.

1427
00:52:59,200 --> 00:53:01,040
>> Well, don't some of those operational

1428
00:53:01,040 --> 00:53:03,760
>> Yeah. some those operational things

1429
00:53:03,760 --> 00:53:05,200
enterprise funds.

1430
00:53:05,200 --> 00:53:06,880
>> Yeah. Like power if it's power related,

1431
00:53:06,880 --> 00:53:10,000
if it's booth equipment.

1432
00:53:10,000 --> 00:53:11,920
That's not

1433
00:53:11,920 --> 00:53:14,880
that might be exhaustive to have that

1434
00:53:14,880 --> 00:53:16,559
list, but it would be kind of unique.

1435
00:53:16,559 --> 00:53:18,079
It'd be interesting to see.

1436
00:53:18,079 --> 00:53:20,160
>> Why does it Sorry. Why does it need to

1437
00:53:20,160 --> 00:53:21,040
be included there?

1438
00:53:21,040 --> 00:53:22,480
>> I'm just saying it shouldn't be if it

1439
00:53:22,480 --> 00:53:22,880
comes from

1440
00:53:22,880 --> 00:53:23,440
>> Oh, it's not.

1441
00:53:23,440 --> 00:53:24,720
>> It's not. No, it's not.

1442
00:53:24,720 --> 00:53:26,640
>> This is not including this is only for

1443
00:53:26,640 --> 00:53:27,520
general fund

1444
00:53:27,520 --> 00:53:29,520
>> admin council. That's what I'm saying.

1445
00:53:29,520 --> 00:53:30,960
This is general fund. But if some of

1446
00:53:30,960 --> 00:53:33,040
those soft those costs, those

1447
00:53:33,040 --> 00:53:36,240
inflationary I can't I see it that far.

1448
00:53:36,240 --> 00:53:38,640
New operations. If some of it is to fund

1449
00:53:38,640 --> 00:53:40,880
other things for the fire department,

1450
00:53:40,880 --> 00:53:43,280
shouldn't it come out of their line

1451
00:53:43,280 --> 00:53:45,040
items for their clo They've got line

1452
00:53:45,040 --> 00:53:46,800
items for clothing.

1453
00:53:46,800 --> 00:53:48,240
>> It is. But I've just combined it all

1454
00:53:48,240 --> 00:53:49,440
into one number.

1455
00:53:49,440 --> 00:53:50,000
>> Okay. Okay.

1456
00:53:50,000 --> 00:53:52,160
>> So that 400 isn't just for fire. That's

1457
00:53:52,160 --> 00:53:55,760
for all general fund. The whole 5.4

1458
00:53:55,760 --> 00:53:58,240
million operations budget we have is

1459
00:53:58,240 --> 00:53:59,280
going up by 400.

1460
00:53:59,280 --> 00:54:00,559
>> So you're just making it simple to put

1461
00:54:00,559 --> 00:54:01,440
it on.

1462
00:54:01,440 --> 00:54:03,680
>> I apologize, but this is wild cuz that's

1463
00:54:03,680 --> 00:54:07,200
almost 10%. Right. Like if we're 5.4 and

1464
00:54:07,200 --> 00:54:08,880
this is almost five. I mean I guess it's

1465
00:54:08,880 --> 00:54:10,800
not almost five, maybe 9%. But that's

1466
00:54:10,800 --> 00:54:11,920
still a lot. Like

1467
00:54:11,920 --> 00:54:13,440
>> not that I'm saying it's on you, but I

1468
00:54:13,440 --> 00:54:15,440
think it's wild that inflation is that

1469
00:54:15,440 --> 00:54:16,960
high. Well,

1470
00:54:16,960 --> 00:54:18,480
>> what percent is that? Because right now

1471
00:54:18,480 --> 00:54:20,640
inflation's at 2 and a half%.

1472
00:54:20,640 --> 00:54:25,589
>> Um, it's like 9.6%.

1473
00:54:25,599 --> 00:54:27,200
» Why aren't we bud Why aren't we putting

1474
00:54:27,200 --> 00:54:28,960
in 2 and 12%.

1475
00:54:28,960 --> 00:54:30,400
>> Because we can't control that the

1476
00:54:30,400 --> 00:54:32,079
software went up.

1477
00:54:32,079 --> 00:54:33,839
>> I I don't understand that, but that's

1478
00:54:33,839 --> 00:54:36,400
what inflation is. It's 2 and 12%.

1479
00:54:36,400 --> 00:54:38,000
>> Okay. When you say inflation though, if

1480
00:54:38,000 --> 00:54:39,440
you're talking about basket of goods

1481
00:54:39,440 --> 00:54:40,800
like loaf of bread and you know,

1482
00:54:40,800 --> 00:54:43,040
whatever things they pick up, that

1483
00:54:43,040 --> 00:54:44,800
doesn't necess necessarily translate to

1484
00:54:44,800 --> 00:54:47,119
the city's inflation. I mean, when we're

1485
00:54:47,119 --> 00:54:49,520
seeing, you know, cost of road base or

1486
00:54:49,520 --> 00:54:51,920
vehicles, fire equipment like double,

1487
00:54:51,920 --> 00:54:54,160
triple, you know, that's going up a lot

1488
00:54:54,160 --> 00:54:56,000
of times a lot faster than just average

1489
00:54:56,000 --> 00:54:56,480
inflation.

1490
00:54:56,480 --> 00:54:58,960
>> I mean, EMS supplies went up 20% in the

1491
00:54:58,960 --> 00:55:00,880
past 6 months.

1492
00:55:00,880 --> 00:55:02,720
>> I mean, that unfortunately

1493
00:55:02,720 --> 00:55:04,559
>> can't do anything about that. These are

1494
00:55:04,559 --> 00:55:06,480
things that that are just driven by the

1495
00:55:06,480 --> 00:55:08,400
simple market. We have very little

1496
00:55:08,400 --> 00:55:11,119
control, well zero control over. If if

1497
00:55:11,119 --> 00:55:13,040
EMS supplies go up 20%.

1498
00:55:13,040 --> 00:55:14,960
>> Switch vendors. But what do you do

1499
00:55:14,960 --> 00:55:16,160
there? I mean,

1500
00:55:16,160 --> 00:55:20,640
>> maybe you do it stuff out for this type

1501
00:55:20,640 --> 00:55:21,680
of law.

1502
00:55:21,680 --> 00:55:24,800
>> I think I think with fire and police,

1503
00:55:24,800 --> 00:55:26,960
there's very specific like only a few

1504
00:55:26,960 --> 00:55:28,800
vendors do those things and I think we

1505
00:55:28,800 --> 00:55:30,559
know that, right? Cance martins for the

1506
00:55:30,559 --> 00:55:33,440
vehicles and things like that. But I

1507
00:55:33,440 --> 00:55:34,720
mean, fuel, what are you going to do

1508
00:55:34,720 --> 00:55:36,880
there? You can't bid that out? I I don't

1509
00:55:36,880 --> 00:55:37,119
know.

1510
00:55:37,119 --> 00:55:39,040
>> Right. I mean, our purchasing policy

1511
00:55:39,040 --> 00:55:41,839
requires that um that we bid out items

1512
00:55:41,839 --> 00:55:43,440
over a certain amount. So, it's

1513
00:55:43,440 --> 00:55:44,960
naturally built in that we're going out

1514
00:55:44,960 --> 00:55:46,640
and getting competitive pricing.

1515
00:55:46,640 --> 00:55:47,119
>> Okay.

1516
00:55:47,119 --> 00:55:49,200
>> Um or we'll use the state contract,

1517
00:55:49,200 --> 00:55:51,520
which is already done that for us, bid

1518
00:55:51,520 --> 00:55:53,359
out, you know, on a large scale for for

1519
00:55:53,359 --> 00:55:54,640
the cities.

1520
00:55:54,640 --> 00:55:55,280
>> Um

1521
00:55:55,280 --> 00:55:57,119
>> so, Jay, I have a question with that. I

1522
00:55:57,119 --> 00:55:59,920
think it's 5,000.

1523
00:55:59,920 --> 00:56:01,920
Once we hit 5,000, we need to bid it

1524
00:56:01,920 --> 00:56:03,680
out. [clears throat] So, if we have

1525
00:56:03,680 --> 00:56:06,079
enough product that inflation's causing

1526
00:56:06,079 --> 00:56:08,400
it to be more than 5,000 when it wasn't

1527
00:56:08,400 --> 00:56:11,119
before, does that automatically trigger

1528
00:56:11,119 --> 00:56:12,079
a new bid?

1529
00:56:12,079 --> 00:56:15,040
>> That's a good question

1530
00:56:15,040 --> 00:56:16,720
>> because I think we should explore that.

1531
00:56:16,720 --> 00:56:18,799
>> Yeah, I think so, too. It's more work.

1532
00:56:18,799 --> 00:56:21,839
>> And it would be nice to Adam's point to

1533
00:56:21,839 --> 00:56:24,160
I would like to see a list just for

1534
00:56:24,160 --> 00:56:27,200
comparison so we could speak to it, but

1535
00:56:27,200 --> 00:56:29,119
>> a list of what's increasing.

1536
00:56:29,119 --> 00:56:31,119
>> Yeah. Yeah, it'd be nice to know, hey,

1537
00:56:31,119 --> 00:56:33,359
plastic gloves cost 50 cents and now

1538
00:56:33,359 --> 00:56:35,200
they're $5. Or

1539
00:56:35,200 --> 00:56:38,720
>> just just for our own ability to explain

1540
00:56:38,720 --> 00:56:40,240
when people are asking us, well, what do

1541
00:56:40,240 --> 00:56:42,880
you mean by their cost? Transformers,

1542
00:56:42,880 --> 00:56:44,400
they used to cost this much, now they're

1543
00:56:44,400 --> 00:56:48,000
costing this much. Yeah. FY26, FY27

1544
00:56:48,000 --> 00:56:50,240
>> until it

1545
00:56:50,240 --> 00:56:50,799
139.

1546
00:56:50,799 --> 00:56:51,839
>> It's just a matter of having more

1547
00:56:51,839 --> 00:56:55,119
information that we can share.

1548
00:56:55,119 --> 00:56:57,599
>> Not factchecking it, just having more

1549
00:56:57,599 --> 00:57:00,319
information. And I think

1550
00:57:00,319 --> 00:57:01,839
>> you guys like this idea though, this

1551
00:57:01,839 --> 00:57:04,960
concept of the of saying let's wait on

1552
00:57:04,960 --> 00:57:07,680
the deputy chief, but definitely tell

1553
00:57:07,680 --> 00:57:10,960
him this is going to be something if the

1554
00:57:10,960 --> 00:57:13,119
if it's approved, we bring it on as an

1555
00:57:13,119 --> 00:57:16,160
additional employee with the with the

1556
00:57:16,160 --> 00:57:17,680
approval

1557
00:57:17,680 --> 00:57:19,920
and if it's not approved, we bring it on

1558
00:57:19,920 --> 00:57:23,920
as a fact that we have to grow.

1559
00:57:23,920 --> 00:57:24,799
>> Seem good.

1560
00:57:24,799 --> 00:57:25,040
>> Yeah.

1561
00:57:25,040 --> 00:57:26,240
Um,

1562
00:57:26,240 --> 00:57:28,240
>> but I do think we postpone

1563
00:57:28,240 --> 00:57:30,079
>> I think as far as telling our story too,

1564
00:57:30,079 --> 00:57:31,359
I mean, I'll take the opportunity right

1565
00:57:31,359 --> 00:57:34,559
now to say we're we're reducing um two

1566
00:57:34,559 --> 00:57:36,880
full-time employees this coming year as

1567
00:57:36,880 --> 00:57:41,280
well. So we we I just I say that because

1568
00:57:41,280 --> 00:57:42,799
I want you to know that we are always

1569
00:57:42,799 --> 00:57:45,280
looking for opportunities to save money

1570
00:57:45,280 --> 00:57:48,319
and we whether that's hey take this

1571
00:57:48,319 --> 00:57:49,920
position and turn it into that you know

1572
00:57:49,920 --> 00:57:51,520
like we did last year with hey we don't

1573
00:57:51,520 --> 00:57:53,680
need as a locator position but we need a

1574
00:57:53,680 --> 00:57:56,880
water guy and we we changed you know a

1575
00:57:56,880 --> 00:57:59,839
position around this year we eliminated

1576
00:57:59,839 --> 00:58:02,160
a utility billing clerk or this coming

1577
00:58:02,160 --> 00:58:04,400
year utility billing clerk and a cash

1578
00:58:04,400 --> 00:58:07,040
receiving clerk position. um

1579
00:58:07,040 --> 00:58:08,319
>> that will be replaced by one.

1580
00:58:08,319 --> 00:58:10,319
>> And is that on is that factored into

1581
00:58:10,319 --> 00:58:12,079
this one or have we not put those

1582
00:58:12,079 --> 00:58:13,680
savings into this yet?

1583
00:58:13,680 --> 00:58:15,280
>> We've put the savings in here.

1584
00:58:15,280 --> 00:58:17,839
>> Yeah, savings are built in. But I I just

1585
00:58:17,839 --> 00:58:19,920
again say that to show that we are

1586
00:58:19,920 --> 00:58:21,680
always looking for opportunities to try

1587
00:58:21,680 --> 00:58:25,359
to operate efficiently. Um as you all

1588
00:58:25,359 --> 00:58:27,200
know, we over the last several years,

1589
00:58:27,200 --> 00:58:29,760
we've added very very few positions. Um

1590
00:58:29,760 --> 00:58:31,839
just those two last year really, the

1591
00:58:31,839 --> 00:58:33,680
attorney and assistant attorney and

1592
00:58:33,680 --> 00:58:37,440
sergeant position. Um we've had

1593
00:58:37,440 --> 00:58:40,240
obviously requests for lots of positions

1594
00:58:40,240 --> 00:58:43,200
from um many of the departments over the

1595
00:58:43,200 --> 00:58:44,799
years

1596
00:58:44,799 --> 00:58:48,079
but uh we we are being careful about

1597
00:58:48,079 --> 00:58:49,680
which ones we bring forward to the

1598
00:58:49,680 --> 00:58:51,359
council. We don't just automatically

1599
00:58:51,359 --> 00:58:53,839
say, okay, there's a list of positions.

1600
00:58:53,839 --> 00:58:55,680
There's over 15 positions, I think, that

1601
00:58:55,680 --> 00:58:57,040
have been requested over the years that

1602
00:58:57,040 --> 00:59:00,000
continue to be requested by departments,

1603
00:59:00,000 --> 00:59:02,000
and we only are bringing forward the

1604
00:59:02,000 --> 00:59:06,000
deputy chief position is is a new FTE.

1605
00:59:06,000 --> 00:59:07,599
Um, but

1606
00:59:07,599 --> 00:59:10,079
>> okay, I think you know, go ahead. Well,

1607
00:59:10,079 --> 00:59:12,240
last year we all agreed as a council

1608
00:59:12,240 --> 00:59:16,240
that absolutely an assistant attorney

1609
00:59:16,240 --> 00:59:19,680
and the um records clerk, but then

1610
00:59:19,680 --> 00:59:25,440
through our conversations suddenly the the the police position the the

1611
00:59:25,440 --> 00:59:28,559
deputy position popped up if I remember

1612
00:59:28,559 --> 00:59:29,119
correctly.

1613
00:59:29,119 --> 00:59:31,359
>> So last year I started in the first work

1614
00:59:31,359 --> 00:59:33,200
session I had a list of four positions

1615
00:59:33,200 --> 00:59:34,559
that were requested. It was two

1616
00:59:34,559 --> 00:59:37,440
sergeants, a deputy fire chief and the

1617
00:59:37,440 --> 00:59:39,359
assistant attorney. And then after

1618
00:59:39,359 --> 00:59:40,960
feedback from the council, I reduced

1619
00:59:40,960 --> 00:59:42,799
that to just one sergeant instead of

1620
00:59:42,799 --> 00:59:46,240
two. And then I eliminated um

1621
00:59:46,240 --> 00:59:46,799
>> fire chief

1622
00:59:46,799 --> 00:59:50,400
>> the fire the deputy fire chief and it

1623
00:59:50,400 --> 00:59:52,480
ended up being just a s one sergeant and

1624
00:59:52,480 --> 00:59:54,000
one assistant attorney. So I went from

1625
00:59:54,000 --> 00:59:55,040
four to two

1626
00:59:55,040 --> 00:59:57,040
>> originally. There was no sergeant.

1627
00:59:57,040 --> 00:59:59,040
>> There were two in the first session. We

1628
00:59:59,040 --> 01:00:00,640
got rid of both and there was only going

1629
01:00:00,640 --> 01:00:02,000
to be one hire and that was the

1630
01:00:02,000 --> 01:00:04,079
assistant city attorney and the sergeant

1631
01:00:04,079 --> 01:00:04,960
came up late.

1632
01:00:04,960 --> 01:00:06,880
>> It did come up later first.

1633
01:00:06,880 --> 01:00:08,799
>> Yes. The first meeting there were two

1634
01:00:08,799 --> 01:00:10,480
sergeants though. The first meeting

1635
01:00:10,480 --> 01:00:10,960
budget.

1636
01:00:10,960 --> 01:00:13,200
>> Yeah, that's right. Hey, water under the

1637
01:00:13,200 --> 01:00:17,520
bridge. But anyway, all right. So, um

1638
01:00:17,520 --> 01:00:18,960
>> so police drone.

1639
01:00:18,960 --> 01:00:23,200
>> Yeah, we we added the drone back in. Um

1640
01:00:23,200 --> 01:00:24,799
again, that's that's to help that's a

1641
01:00:24,799 --> 01:00:29,359
man power um what's the word?

1642
01:00:29,359 --> 01:00:31,440
Enhancer, I guess. It helps when there's

1643
01:00:31,440 --> 01:00:32,720
like a search for a person in the

1644
01:00:32,720 --> 01:00:34,559
foothills or an autistic child goes

1645
01:00:34,559 --> 01:00:37,520
missing. like it's able to to fly and

1646
01:00:37,520 --> 01:00:39,280
look for for people. It's just

1647
01:00:39,280 --> 01:00:40,000
>> I think that's

1648
01:00:40,000 --> 01:00:41,200
>> has a lot of uses.

1649
01:00:41,200 --> 01:00:44,880
>> We can move over and maybe get help. We

1650
01:00:44,880 --> 01:00:46,240
can still fund it.

1651
01:00:46,240 --> 01:00:47,760
>> I think that'd be We're the only

1652
01:00:47,760 --> 01:00:49,440
department in Davis County that does not

1653
01:00:49,440 --> 01:00:51,359
have a police drone just so you kind of

1654
01:00:51,359 --> 01:00:53,839
have an idea of, you know, we're not

1655
01:00:53,839 --> 01:00:55,119
asking for crazy stuff.

1656
01:00:55,119 --> 01:00:57,599
>> Does the fire department have a drone?

1657
01:00:57,599 --> 01:00:58,960
>> They do.

1658
01:00:58,960 --> 01:01:00,799
>> Yeah. And so, but we but it's difficult

1659
01:01:00,799 --> 01:01:02,319
to borrow theirs because then we have to

1660
01:01:02,319 --> 01:01:04,160
also have their drone operator, right?

1661
01:01:04,160 --> 01:01:06,480
takes away from their staff and that's

1662
01:01:06,480 --> 01:01:08,400
>> why can't we just train a drone operator

1663
01:01:08,400 --> 01:01:09,520
at the police department?

1664
01:01:09,520 --> 01:01:10,400
>> I don't know.

1665
01:01:10,400 --> 01:01:12,559
>> Um I mean that's what Farmington did. I

1666
01:01:12,559 --> 01:01:14,960
hate to use Farmington. I know but they

1667
01:01:14,960 --> 01:01:16,559
had a drone operator and the police

1668
01:01:16,559 --> 01:01:18,480
wanted so the so the police just trained

1669
01:01:18,480 --> 01:01:20,480
their own drone operator and now he uses

1670
01:01:20,480 --> 01:01:21,040
the drone.

1671
01:01:21,040 --> 01:01:23,119
>> Yeah. Is that possible? [clears throat]

1672
01:01:23,119 --> 01:01:25,440
>> I think that's what we do.

1673
01:01:25,440 --> 01:01:26,960
>> But we were saying why do you need two

1674
01:01:26,960 --> 01:01:28,960
>> when why do we just kind of have one for

1675
01:01:28,960 --> 01:01:31,280
that share with police and fire? I mean

1676
01:01:31,280 --> 01:01:34,240
>> because if using Is it getting used?

1677
01:01:34,240 --> 01:01:35,680
>> I think the fire department has it on

1678
01:01:35,680 --> 01:01:36,559
their truck.

1679
01:01:36,559 --> 01:01:36,880
>> Yeah,

1680
01:01:36,880 --> 01:01:37,920
>> they take it out with them.

1681
01:01:37,920 --> 01:01:38,400
>> They do.

1682
01:01:38,400 --> 01:01:40,240
>> And it's a matter of do we need to boot

1683
01:01:40,240 --> 01:01:42,240
it up or not? Okay.

1684
01:01:42,240 --> 01:01:44,000
>> Yeah. I'm just imagining like emergency

1685
01:01:44,000 --> 01:01:45,520
situation where it's like, hey, we've

1686
01:01:45,520 --> 01:01:48,160
got a hostage situation. We're trying to

1687
01:01:48,160 --> 01:01:50,240
>> like, you know, look for the perimeter.

1688
01:01:50,240 --> 01:01:51,920
We got a lost person in the mountains

1689
01:01:51,920 --> 01:01:52,720
like

1690
01:01:52,720 --> 01:01:54,160
>> and then they go and try to hunt it down

1691
01:01:54,160 --> 01:01:55,599
from the other department. And it just

1692
01:01:55,599 --> 01:01:56,799
it's

1693
01:01:56,799 --> 01:01:58,319
>> I guess there's some things you can look

1694
01:01:58,319 --> 01:01:58,880
at, but

1695
01:01:58,880 --> 01:01:59,599
>> it's smart.

1696
01:01:59,599 --> 01:02:00,640
>> Yeah.

1697
01:02:00,640 --> 01:02:02,880
As far as the PI service,

1698
01:02:02,880 --> 01:02:05,440
>> can't believe they cost

1699
01:02:05,440 --> 01:02:06,079
real quick.

1700
01:02:06,079 --> 01:02:08,480
>> Don't a lot of that

1701
01:02:08,480 --> 01:02:09,440
training, too.

1702
01:02:09,440 --> 01:02:11,680
>> I think that I mean, a nice drone is

1703
01:02:11,680 --> 01:02:12,960
going to cost like seven grand or

1704
01:02:12,960 --> 01:02:14,480
something, but then they have to go

1705
01:02:14,480 --> 01:02:16,319
train the officers to do it.

1706
01:02:16,319 --> 01:02:17,920
>> I think we could take the drone off this

1707
01:02:17,920 --> 01:02:20,079
list and still have conversations about

1708
01:02:20,079 --> 01:02:21,200
it.

1709
01:02:21,200 --> 01:02:22,880
>> I agree with that.

1710
01:02:22,880 --> 01:02:24,640
>> I'm curious to hear from everyone to

1711
01:02:24,640 --> 01:02:26,240
see. Do you mean you might because we

1712
01:02:26,240 --> 01:02:27,839
might get donations for

1713
01:02:27,839 --> 01:02:29,599
>> we might we might have a donor that

1714
01:02:29,599 --> 01:02:30,720
would be willing to

1715
01:02:30,720 --> 01:02:32,480
>> grants. There are grants out there.

1716
01:02:32,480 --> 01:02:33,680
>> No, there's a donor.

1717
01:02:33,680 --> 01:02:34,480
>> Donor,

1718
01:02:34,480 --> 01:02:35,280
>> I like donors.

1719
01:02:35,280 --> 01:02:37,040
>> So, let's take that off. Are we okay

1720
01:02:37,040 --> 01:02:37,760
with that?

1721
01:02:37,760 --> 01:02:39,040
>> I want a donor.

1722
01:02:39,040 --> 01:02:44,960
>> Uh just with just with an asterk that is going to be part of that

1723
01:02:44,960 --> 01:02:47,040
>> that we do understand that that's

1724
01:02:47,040 --> 01:02:47,520
>> right.

1725
01:02:47,520 --> 01:02:48,000
>> Yeah.

1726
01:02:48,000 --> 01:02:49,200
>> Because I Yeah,

1727
01:02:49,200 --> 01:02:51,680
>> I'm not fundamentally opposed to it. I

1728
01:02:51,680 --> 01:02:53,119
don't think

1729
01:02:53,119 --> 01:02:55,280
>> they're a very b they're a huge benefit.

1730
01:02:55,280 --> 01:02:56,559
I'm not going to take that away. They

1731
01:02:56,559 --> 01:02:57,440
are a huge benefit.

1732
01:02:57,440 --> 01:02:59,680
>> We had a person for hours.

1733
01:02:59,680 --> 01:03:02,480
>> We might have been able

1734
01:03:02,480 --> 01:03:05,040
>> there was a mechanical thing in there

1735
01:03:05,040 --> 01:03:10,950
rather than a person when there's

1736
01:03:10,960 --> 01:03:12,720
the sheriff the county sheriff.

1737
01:03:12,720 --> 01:03:16,160
>> It is just time is a yes. Uh maybe maybe

1738
01:03:16,160 --> 01:03:18,319
if just because whoever might be

1739
01:03:18,319 --> 01:03:21,119
listening maybe do you mind uh I hate to

1740
01:03:21,119 --> 01:03:23,200
mess with your Excel sheet but do you

1741
01:03:23,200 --> 01:03:26,480
mind making some type of a

1742
01:03:26,480 --> 01:03:27,200
>> Yeah. Thank you.

1743
01:03:27,200 --> 01:03:27,920
>> There you go.

1744
01:03:27,920 --> 01:03:28,960
>> Yeah.

1745
01:03:28,960 --> 01:03:32,720
>> So or something so that it can be Yeah.

1746
01:03:32,720 --> 01:03:34,880
>> Cuz if there's not a donation I'm going

1747
01:03:34,880 --> 01:03:38,000
to donate for

1748
01:03:38,000 --> 01:03:40,079
>> now the PR service to city manager. I

1749
01:03:40,079 --> 01:03:41,680
thought that we'd had a discussion that

1750
01:03:41,680 --> 01:03:43,440
we wouldn't have the consultant group

1751
01:03:43,440 --> 01:03:45,359
and so that money can come from the

1752
01:03:45,359 --> 01:03:49,119
consultant pot to pay for the PI or the

1753
01:03:49,119 --> 01:03:52,319
PR services person.

1754
01:03:52,319 --> 01:03:53,839
>> Am I looking at the right line? Yeah.

1755
01:03:53,839 --> 01:03:55,520
>> Yes.

1756
01:03:55,520 --> 01:03:56,480
>> Right.

1757
01:03:56,480 --> 01:03:58,480
>> I thought in the last year in the last

1758
01:03:58,480 --> 01:03:58,960
meeting

1759
01:03:58,960 --> 01:04:03,200
>> but we're paying we're paying for that PR on a case by

1760
01:04:03,200 --> 01:04:04,880
case hourly basis. Right.

1761
01:04:04,880 --> 01:04:06,480
>> Right. But we won't be able to pay them

1762
01:04:06,480 --> 01:04:08,400
anymore because this person would work

1763
01:04:08,400 --> 01:04:09,839
there. I guess the question is how much

1764
01:04:09,839 --> 01:04:12,799
have we been spending on them?

1765
01:04:12,799 --> 01:04:14,240
How much have we been budgeting for?

1766
01:04:14,240 --> 01:04:15,839
>> Yeah, it was already in there.

1767
01:04:15,839 --> 01:04:19,200
>> So, there's 35,000 budgeted. Sorry, JC,

1768
01:04:19,200 --> 01:04:20,000
you can speak to that.

1769
01:04:20,000 --> 01:04:20,880
>> Go ahead, Ren.

1770
01:04:20,880 --> 01:04:23,440
>> There's 35,000 budgeted for the fires

1771
01:04:23,440 --> 01:04:26,559
the new fire station PR and then this

1772
01:04:26,559 --> 01:04:28,640
10,000 was for those videos that you

1773
01:04:28,640 --> 01:04:30,400
guys have talked about for all the other

1774
01:04:30,400 --> 01:04:31,200
departments.

1775
01:04:31,200 --> 01:04:31,599
>> Okay.

1776
01:04:31,599 --> 01:04:34,559
>> So, together there's technically 45,000

1777
01:04:34,559 --> 01:04:36,240
in the budget for PR.

1778
01:04:36,240 --> 01:04:39,039
>> Okay. 35 is just impact fee worthy.

1779
01:04:39,039 --> 01:04:39,680
>> Okay.

1780
01:04:39,680 --> 01:04:41,119
>> 10 is general fun.

1781
01:04:41,119 --> 01:04:42,640
>> So this is different than hiring that

1782
01:04:42,640 --> 01:04:44,559
guy. I'll put

1783
01:04:44,559 --> 01:04:46,160
>> Okay. So there's two ways to go about

1784
01:04:46,160 --> 01:04:48,799
it. Um like you said, mayor, currently

1785
01:04:48,799 --> 01:04:51,119
we're contracting PR services case by

1786
01:04:51,119 --> 01:04:54,559
case. Um and we're paying a lot more per

1787
01:04:54,559 --> 01:04:56,240
hour than we would if we just hired a

1788
01:04:56,240 --> 01:04:59,039
person part-time. And so I think you

1789
01:04:59,039 --> 01:05:01,520
have a good point there. it if we just

1790
01:05:01,520 --> 01:05:03,920
got rid of the contract entirely,

1791
01:05:03,920 --> 01:05:06,559
>> we'd probably be net neutral there or

1792
01:05:06,559 --> 01:05:08,880
maybe even see some savings. But u we

1793
01:05:08,880 --> 01:05:10,480
just wanted to show it as transparent

1794
01:05:10,480 --> 01:05:12,319
that hey, this would be in addition to

1795
01:05:12,319 --> 01:05:14,000
the contracted service. This would be

1796
01:05:14,000 --> 01:05:15,680
also adding like extra little things

1797
01:05:15,680 --> 01:05:20,160
like the videos and whatever it

1798
01:05:20,160 --> 01:05:22,240
feel like people could I think we can do

1799
01:05:22,240 --> 01:05:23,920
174 an hour right now.

1800
01:05:23,920 --> 01:05:24,720
>> Yeah. Okay.

1801
01:05:24,720 --> 01:05:27,760
>> Yeah. and and I would say take it off

1802
01:05:27,760 --> 01:05:29,680
and I would love to cancel the contract,

1803
01:05:29,680 --> 01:05:31,280
>> but I would love to see that contract

1804
01:05:31,280 --> 01:05:34,000
canled and and explore the option of

1805
01:05:34,000 --> 01:05:34,960
hiring that gal.

1806
01:05:34,960 --> 01:05:37,039
>> There's there's we're looking into it. I

1807
01:05:37,039 --> 01:05:39,119
mean, it's one of those things where we

1808
01:05:39,119 --> 01:05:40,000
want to do that,

1809
01:05:40,000 --> 01:05:40,480
>> right?

1810
01:05:40,480 --> 01:05:42,640
>> But if if she's willing, you know, we

1811
01:05:42,640 --> 01:05:43,440
don't know yet

1812
01:05:43,440 --> 01:05:44,559
>> or or someone else.

1813
01:05:44,559 --> 01:05:46,559
>> Strong to the direction of the council

1814
01:05:46,559 --> 01:05:48,720
to cancel that contract.

1815
01:05:48,720 --> 01:05:51,440
>> Um, I mean, if we cancel it and we can

1816
01:05:51,440 --> 01:05:53,119
get somebody else, great. If we can't

1817
01:05:53,119 --> 01:05:55,280
get somebody else, the reason this is a

1818
01:05:55,280 --> 01:05:56,960
unique situation because this particular

1819
01:05:56,960 --> 01:06:00,000
individual is really wellqualified to do

1820
01:06:00,000 --> 01:06:01,760
a good job. If we hired somebody off the

1821
01:06:01,760 --> 01:06:03,839
street, I don't know if we could get

1822
01:06:03,839 --> 01:06:06,079
what we need. Maybe we could, maybe we

1823
01:06:06,079 --> 01:06:07,119
couldn't. But

1824
01:06:07,119 --> 01:06:08,480
>> we're trying to save money here, Jason.

1825
01:06:08,480 --> 01:06:09,680
I know you're fighting for everything,

1826
01:06:09,680 --> 01:06:11,760
but when we say when we take a straw

1827
01:06:11,760 --> 01:06:13,359
pull, we want to say take it off, take

1828
01:06:13,359 --> 01:06:16,640
it off. We don't need

1829
01:06:16,640 --> 01:06:18,079
>> Well, he's not talking about the 10

1830
01:06:18,079 --> 01:06:19,039
grand. He's talking about

1831
01:06:19,039 --> 01:06:20,240
>> I know he's talking about the contract

1832
01:06:20,240 --> 01:06:21,839
with the other one. So, we got a net

1833
01:06:21,839 --> 01:06:23,599
savings there that we could maybe spend

1834
01:06:23,599 --> 01:06:24,319
on cost.

1835
01:06:24,319 --> 01:06:26,799
>> Okay. Knowing just for context, I agree

1836
01:06:26,799 --> 01:06:28,559
with what you're saying, but this PR

1837
01:06:28,559 --> 01:06:31,280
company was hired to help with PR for

1838
01:06:31,280 --> 01:06:32,720
the fire station,

1839
01:06:32,720 --> 01:06:33,359
>> right?

1840
01:06:33,359 --> 01:06:38,160
>> Correct. They do telling that story and

1841
01:06:38,160 --> 01:06:40,559
that need. And so, let's just remember

1842
01:06:40,559 --> 01:06:42,960
that if that is our goal to get this on

1843
01:06:42,960 --> 01:06:44,880
the ballot and get it passed, we need to

1844
01:06:44,880 --> 01:06:46,559
be able to tell the story. We don't have

1845
01:06:46,559 --> 01:06:49,760
the in-house talent to do it. So maybe

1846
01:06:49,760 --> 01:06:52,720
we find someone cheaper or even for free

1847
01:06:52,720 --> 01:06:54,160
>> and it won't be good.

1848
01:06:54,160 --> 01:06:56,160
>> So as I was going through some of my

1849
01:06:56,160 --> 01:06:57,839
previous paperwork,

1850
01:06:57,839 --> 01:06:58,240
>> yeah,

1851
01:06:58,240 --> 01:07:00,160
>> where we were talking about capital

1852
01:07:00,160 --> 01:07:02,720
improvements and stuff,

1853
01:07:02,720 --> 01:07:04,720
>> we didn't even have the design of the

1854
01:07:04,720 --> 01:07:07,920
fire station until 2028.

1855
01:07:07,920 --> 01:07:10,480
I don't know what what has brought it to

1856
01:07:10,480 --> 01:07:13,920
the forefront so much sooner than that,

1857
01:07:13,920 --> 01:07:16,319
but I believe it was in maybe last

1858
01:07:16,319 --> 01:07:18,079
year's or the year before talking about

1859
01:07:18,079 --> 01:07:20,000
capital improvements and it had fire

1860
01:07:20,000 --> 01:07:22,720
station design in 2028.

1861
01:07:22,720 --> 01:07:25,359
Um, you know, so

1862
01:07:25,359 --> 01:07:27,520
>> I vaguely remember a straw poll to move

1863
01:07:27,520 --> 01:07:28,799
it forward, but

1864
01:07:28,799 --> 01:07:31,119
>> it it was one of those deals where I've

1865
01:07:31,119 --> 01:07:34,079
said I don't believe it will pass, but I

1866
01:07:34,079 --> 01:07:36,160
won't if you want to put it on a ballot.

1867
01:07:36,160 --> 01:07:38,000
But but I sit here and I look at this

1868
01:07:38,000 --> 01:07:41,359
and I say as a council is it really

1869
01:07:41,359 --> 01:07:43,920
should we be moving it forward? I don't

1870
01:07:43,920 --> 01:07:47,280
know. I don't know. But I I said that I

1871
01:07:47,280 --> 01:07:50,240
would commit to the ballot which are

1872
01:07:50,240 --> 01:07:51,839
>> suggesting maybe it moves forward

1873
01:07:51,839 --> 01:07:53,760
without a campaign. It just is on the

1874
01:07:53,760 --> 01:07:55,520
ballot and if it fails it fails. Is that

1875
01:07:55,520 --> 01:07:57,440
kind of what you're saying?

1876
01:07:57,440 --> 01:07:59,359
>> They got they've got but they've got 35

1877
01:07:59,359 --> 01:08:01,440
grand to use towards it.

1878
01:08:01,440 --> 01:08:04,319
>> The money's there. We're not

1879
01:08:04,319 --> 01:08:05,839
additional money. I think the difference

1880
01:08:05,839 --> 01:08:08,160
I guess what I'm talking about is you're

1881
01:08:08,160 --> 01:08:11,200
saying though the PR gal the PR firm

1882
01:08:11,200 --> 01:08:14,480
that we pay case by case

1883
01:08:14,480 --> 01:08:18,960
175 whatever an hour that that above

1884
01:08:18,960 --> 01:08:20,960
like take the fire station out of it.

1885
01:08:20,960 --> 01:08:23,199
We've been spending enough with that

1886
01:08:23,199 --> 01:08:25,839
firm just on regular things

1887
01:08:25,839 --> 01:08:28,719
>> to probably compensate for hiring

1888
01:08:28,719 --> 01:08:32,159
somebody if it's the right person and it

1889
01:08:32,159 --> 01:08:34,719
would be a net net or maybe savings.

1890
01:08:34,719 --> 01:08:36,480
Take the fire station out cuz the fire

1891
01:08:36,480 --> 01:08:37,839
station is only going to be onetime

1892
01:08:37,839 --> 01:08:38,319
thing,

1893
01:08:38,319 --> 01:08:38,880
>> right?

1894
01:08:38,880 --> 01:08:40,640
>> This is like an annual

1895
01:08:40,640 --> 01:08:42,480
>> This would be an annual I think we could

1896
01:08:42,480 --> 01:08:45,600
get 15 to 20 hours possibly

1897
01:08:45,600 --> 01:08:48,319
uh a week of of just doing more. A lot

1898
01:08:48,319 --> 01:08:49,679
of we've had a lot a lot of

1899
01:08:49,679 --> 01:08:51,440
conversations obviously about doing a

1900
01:08:51,440 --> 01:08:54,319
better job of being you know sending

1901
01:08:54,319 --> 01:08:55,920
information to residents and a lot of

1902
01:08:55,920 --> 01:08:56,560
cities have

1903
01:08:56,560 --> 01:08:58,719
>> require an additional monies what you're

1904
01:08:58,719 --> 01:08:59,120
saying.

1905
01:08:59,120 --> 01:09:01,520
>> Uh if if if yeah if we could hire this

1906
01:09:01,520 --> 01:09:05,359
particular individual we think so. I'll

1907
01:09:05,359 --> 01:09:08,960
just say though as far as the using that

1908
01:09:08,960 --> 01:09:10,960
company to do our fire station

1909
01:09:10,960 --> 01:09:13,440
education, public education, that's

1910
01:09:13,440 --> 01:09:15,920
based that's using fire impact fee money

1911
01:09:15,920 --> 01:09:18,239
which is earmarked for fire

1912
01:09:18,239 --> 01:09:19,839
>> and not part of the general.

1913
01:09:19,839 --> 01:09:21,600
>> Right. And so we could use it for

1914
01:09:21,600 --> 01:09:23,679
anything else. I'm just saying that it's

1915
01:09:23,679 --> 01:09:26,239
a lot of money but it's it's for

1916
01:09:26,239 --> 01:09:27,759
earmarked for that very purpose.

1917
01:09:27,759 --> 01:09:30,000
>> Yes. No, I get that. Yep.

1918
01:09:30,000 --> 01:09:30,960
>> Okay. Cool.

1919
01:09:30,960 --> 01:09:33,279
>> All right. So we're we're down from 1480

1920
01:09:33,279 --> 01:09:35,600
to 1099 for the

1921
01:09:35,600 --> 01:09:36,960
>> Wait. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

1922
01:09:36,960 --> 01:09:38,880
>> Sorry, Jason. Can So I just want to

1923
01:09:38,880 --> 01:09:40,960
clarify where we're at where we are

1924
01:09:40,960 --> 01:09:43,040
after that whole discussion. So we've

1925
01:09:43,040 --> 01:09:46,319
got we want to end the that contract,

1926
01:09:46,319 --> 01:09:48,000
hopefully hire this other person.

1927
01:09:48,000 --> 01:09:50,560
However, we feel like

1928
01:09:50,560 --> 01:09:52,480
publicity for the fire station can be

1929
01:09:52,480 --> 01:09:56,239
covered with fire impact fees. That's what it's but right now we've

1930
01:09:56,239 --> 01:09:59,120
budgeted the 35,000

1931
01:09:59,120 --> 01:10:01,520
next year out of fire impact fees to do

1932
01:10:01,520 --> 01:10:03,679
public education for the fire station.

1933
01:10:03,679 --> 01:10:05,760
>> Okay. So not going forward with that

1934
01:10:05,760 --> 01:10:08,640
contract doesn't mess with fire station.

1935
01:10:08,640 --> 01:10:10,719
>> It it would it would just take the girl

1936
01:10:10,719 --> 01:10:12,719
that does that right now for this

1937
01:10:12,719 --> 01:10:14,320
company that we have under contract and

1938
01:10:14,320 --> 01:10:18,000
bring her in as a part-time employee

1939
01:10:18,000 --> 01:10:20,800
>> and temporary mo most likely. If she

1940
01:10:20,800 --> 01:10:23,280
can't be a temporary employee, then

1941
01:10:23,280 --> 01:10:25,520
>> then most likely what what he's saying

1942
01:10:25,520 --> 01:10:28,080
is we shouldn't terminate the contract

1943
01:10:28,080 --> 01:10:29,920
with those folks until we know if she

1944
01:10:29,920 --> 01:10:32,560
can come over because the job still

1945
01:10:32,560 --> 01:10:34,400
needs to be done for the

1946
01:10:34,400 --> 01:10:37,600
>> right. So, can't we just flexibly say

1947
01:10:37,600 --> 01:10:40,000
try to hire her and if not then at least

1948
01:10:40,000 --> 01:10:41,360
fund the fire stuff?

1949
01:10:41,360 --> 01:10:43,360
>> That's exactly what we want to do. Yeah.

1950
01:10:43,360 --> 01:10:45,199
>> Okay. I we got a little hairy there for

1951
01:10:45,199 --> 01:10:46,159
a sec. I just want to make sure I

1952
01:10:46,159 --> 01:10:48,960
understand. That was a good good point.

1953
01:10:48,960 --> 01:10:50,480
Okay.

1954
01:10:50,480 --> 01:10:52,800
So, where else can we

1955
01:10:52,800 --> 01:10:56,960
>> So, we went from 1480 a month to $10.99.

1956
01:10:56,960 --> 01:10:58,239
Is that what it says?

1957
01:10:58,239 --> 01:10:58,960
>> Good start.

1958
01:10:58,960 --> 01:11:02,880
>> I also just got a text um that Josh

1959
01:11:02,880 --> 01:11:06,000
found another 106,000 we can move from.

1960
01:11:06,000 --> 01:11:07,679
>> Hey,

1961
01:11:07,679 --> 01:11:12,800
Josh is the man, man. Let's go.

1962
01:11:12,800 --> 01:11:18,159
>> Who's next? What department? Texas.

1963
01:11:18,159 --> 01:11:19,600
Who's watching the lines?

1964
01:11:19,600 --> 01:11:22,560
>> Josh, you're the hero. Your hero.

1965
01:11:22,560 --> 01:11:25,199
>> He's moving up from public.

1966
01:11:25,199 --> 01:11:25,679
>> Okay,

1967
01:11:25,679 --> 01:11:26,320
>> perfect.

1968
01:11:26,320 --> 01:11:27,040
>> Love it.

1969
01:11:27,040 --> 01:11:28,800
>> That's what we're talking about.

1970
01:11:28,800 --> 01:11:31,040
>> Yeah. [laughter]

1971
01:11:31,040 --> 01:11:31,760
Okay.

1972
01:11:31,760 --> 01:11:32,719
>> Go, Josh. Go.

1973
01:11:32,719 --> 01:11:36,080
>> Hey. And we have a use of balance

1974
01:11:36,080 --> 01:11:37,679
instead of gluten-free.

1975
01:11:37,679 --> 01:11:38,640
>> Yep.

1976
01:11:38,640 --> 01:11:38,960
>> What?

1977
01:11:38,960 --> 01:11:39,840
>> There you go.

1978
01:11:39,840 --> 01:11:41,840
>> No. Use up on balance instead of general

1979
01:11:41,840 --> 01:11:44,400
fun.

1980
01:11:44,400 --> 01:11:46,000
>> Okay. Listen, John, this is confusing

1981
01:11:46,000 --> 01:11:46,719
enough as it is.

1982
01:11:46,719 --> 01:11:47,600
>> I know exactly,

1983
01:11:47,600 --> 01:11:49,199
>> but I'm confused. What your police

1984
01:11:49,199 --> 01:11:51,280
station payment and fieldhouse payment

1985
01:11:51,280 --> 01:11:52,719
both? Is that what you're saying?

1986
01:11:52,719 --> 01:11:54,400
Fieldhouse is the

1987
01:11:54,400 --> 01:11:55,760
>> Okay,

1988
01:11:55,760 --> 01:11:57,280
>> and then the police station payment or

1989
01:11:57,280 --> 01:11:59,280
using the police impact fee money.

1990
01:11:59,280 --> 01:12:01,120
>> Okay. Okay. But here, okay,

1991
01:12:01,120 --> 01:12:02,560
>> here's the question. When does a bond

1992
01:12:02,560 --> 01:12:04,480
payment actually start? And when do we

1993
01:12:04,480 --> 01:12:06,000
actually have to pull that trigger?

1994
01:12:06,000 --> 01:12:06,480
>> Yeah,

1995
01:12:06,480 --> 01:12:08,960
>> for real. Could we wait till next year?

1996
01:12:08,960 --> 01:12:10,239
>> That's what I understood. that I

1997
01:12:10,239 --> 01:12:11,520
understood we have to start paying for

1998
01:12:11,520 --> 01:12:13,199
it until it was open and it wouldn't be

1999
01:12:13,199 --> 01:12:14,800
open until

2000
01:12:14,800 --> 01:12:17,600
>> right knowing knowing that we we have

2001
01:12:17,600 --> 01:12:19,520
already committed just so we all are in

2002
01:12:19,520 --> 01:12:21,199
agreement we have committed to pay for

2003
01:12:21,199 --> 01:12:23,360
that okay right yes

2004
01:12:23,360 --> 01:12:25,600
>> okay so could we go to the school and

2005
01:12:25,600 --> 01:12:27,520
say look

2006
01:12:27,520 --> 01:12:30,000
>> we want to start our payments

2007
01:12:30,000 --> 01:12:31,679
>> and we would do the bond next year

2008
01:12:31,679 --> 01:12:32,719
instead of now

2009
01:12:32,719 --> 01:12:34,159
>> but I guess what she's saying right now

2010
01:12:34,159 --> 01:12:36,320
is that essentially you're having it

2011
01:12:36,320 --> 01:12:39,040
come out of

2012
01:12:39,040 --> 01:12:41,679
fund balance But if we kept it in fund

2013
01:12:41,679 --> 01:12:44,000
balance, then we could use that fund

2014
01:12:44,000 --> 01:12:47,280
balance to decrease

2015
01:12:47,280 --> 01:12:49,520
the amount of increase. I I guess that's

2016
01:12:49,520 --> 01:12:50,800
what we're trying to figure out.

2017
01:12:50,800 --> 01:12:52,080
>> Well, we're trying to pay off the fil

2018
01:12:52,080 --> 01:12:55,280
the police station with that money

2019
01:12:55,280 --> 01:12:55,760
sooner.

2020
01:12:55,760 --> 01:12:56,960
>> Pay it off faster.

2021
01:12:56,960 --> 01:12:58,400
>> I wouldn't pay it off. I mean, we could

2022
01:12:58,400 --> 01:13:00,080
pay it off faster if you really want,

2023
01:13:00,080 --> 01:13:01,679
but uh

2024
01:13:01,679 --> 01:13:04,960
>> I'm just saying don't use general fund

2025
01:13:04,960 --> 01:13:07,199
tax increase.

2026
01:13:07,199 --> 01:13:10,880
Like the fact that we can use Sorry,

2027
01:13:10,880 --> 01:13:13,600
we've already identified general fund

2028
01:13:13,600 --> 01:13:17,360
money to pay the the police station. B,

2029
01:13:17,360 --> 01:13:19,920
>> but instead of that general fund cash,

2030
01:13:19,920 --> 01:13:21,840
I'm now freeing that up and using the

2031
01:13:21,840 --> 01:13:23,760
fund balance of the police impact fees

2032
01:13:23,760 --> 01:13:25,360
cuz we've never touched those.

2033
01:13:25,360 --> 01:13:26,000
>> Okay.

2034
01:13:26,000 --> 01:13:28,239
>> Can you do that? Yeah.

2035
01:13:28,239 --> 01:13:29,520
>> Use the pack fees to

2036
01:13:29,520 --> 01:13:30,320
>> to pay the police [clears throat]

2037
01:13:30,320 --> 01:13:31,199
station.

2038
01:13:31,199 --> 01:13:33,600
>> Okay. Okay. So, you're switching pots.

2039
01:13:33,600 --> 01:13:35,760
>> You can because that's more than six

2040
01:13:35,760 --> 01:13:38,159
years old and it was not identified as

2041
01:13:38,159 --> 01:13:39,440
part of the impact fees.

2042
01:13:39,440 --> 01:13:41,520
>> It was identified that the build out of

2043
01:13:41,520 --> 01:13:43,360
that station was reason

2044
01:13:43,360 --> 01:13:45,040
>> and it's because it's more than six

2045
01:13:45,040 --> 01:13:46,960
years. You can still use that money.

2046
01:13:46,960 --> 01:13:49,120
>> Um, we hit six years this year. So, I'll

2047
01:13:49,120 --> 01:13:51,280
have to do a budget amendment for that.

2048
01:13:51,280 --> 01:13:54,880
It's like 32,000 and we'll use that in

2049
01:13:54,880 --> 01:13:55,440
this year's

2050
01:13:55,440 --> 01:13:57,040
>> What is the yearly payment for the

2051
01:13:57,040 --> 01:13:58,159
police station?

2052
01:13:58,159 --> 01:14:00,320
>> It's like 3

2053
01:14:00,320 --> 01:14:01,840
Goodness, can you look it up? It's like

2054
01:14:01,840 --> 01:14:04,560
350.

2055
01:14:04,560 --> 01:14:06,800
>> So you're taking that 350 and adding

2056
01:14:06,800 --> 01:14:09,360
another 243

2057
01:14:09,360 --> 01:14:10,480
for the

2058
01:14:10,480 --> 01:14:12,080
>> That's for the fieldhouse, the

2059
01:14:12,080 --> 01:14:17,910
ambulance, the Yeah. the mower.

2060
01:14:17,920 --> 01:14:19,760
So, it's not just the fieldhouse, it's

2061
01:14:19,760 --> 01:14:21,360
the mower and something else

2062
01:14:21,360 --> 01:14:22,400
>> and the ambulance.

2063
01:14:22,400 --> 01:14:24,159
>> The ambulance.

2064
01:14:24,159 --> 01:14:25,600
>> Why is the ambulance not coming out of

2065
01:14:25,600 --> 01:14:28,000
enterprise funds?

2066
01:14:28,000 --> 01:14:31,520
>> Cuz it's ambulance which is fire general

2067
01:14:31,520 --> 01:14:32,400
fund.

2068
01:14:32,400 --> 01:14:34,080
>> But there's an ambulance enterprise

2069
01:14:34,080 --> 01:14:34,480
fund.

2070
01:14:34,480 --> 01:14:37,199
>> No, we got rid of that.

2071
01:14:37,199 --> 01:14:38,719
>> Why did we get rid of the ambulance

2072
01:14:38,719 --> 01:14:41,199
enterprise? I think it was losing money

2073
01:14:41,199 --> 01:14:44,000
and uh don't quote me, but I'm pretty

2074
01:14:44,000 --> 01:14:45,600
sure I heard the history was it was

2075
01:14:45,600 --> 01:14:47,600
losing money and not performing as an

2076
01:14:47,600 --> 01:14:48,960
enterprise fund. So therefore, the

2077
01:14:48,960 --> 01:14:52,400
general fund kept subsidizing for it. So

2078
01:14:52,400 --> 01:14:54,960
it like legally it had to be

2079
01:14:54,960 --> 01:14:58,000
>> absorbed into the general fund since it

2080
01:14:58,000 --> 01:14:59,679
wasn't performing.

2081
01:14:59,679 --> 01:15:02,480
>> But we bill

2082
01:15:02,480 --> 01:15:04,000
all those patients.

2083
01:15:04,000 --> 01:15:06,159
>> Remember how many how little amount of

2084
01:15:06,159 --> 01:15:06,560
patient

2085
01:15:06,560 --> 01:15:08,080
>> patients went to an enterprise fund?

2086
01:15:08,080 --> 01:15:10,000
Yes, we did have to subsidize part of

2087
01:15:10,000 --> 01:15:11,120
the enterprise fund.

2088
01:15:11,120 --> 01:15:12,880
>> You're not allowed to do that like more

2089
01:15:12,880 --> 01:15:15,280
than 3 years. So that's why like the

2090
01:15:15,280 --> 01:15:17,360
storm water and pressure irrigation, we

2091
01:15:17,360 --> 01:15:20,000
have to raise those or else

2092
01:15:20,000 --> 01:15:20,400
>> you think

2093
01:15:20,400 --> 01:15:22,480
>> when we get audited again and we keep

2094
01:15:22,480 --> 01:15:24,400
subsidizing that.

2095
01:15:24,400 --> 01:15:26,719
>> You would think that the the actual

2096
01:15:26,719 --> 01:15:28,480
thing is you'd start you'd just start

2097
01:15:28,480 --> 01:15:28,880
billing.

2098
01:15:28,880 --> 01:15:30,400
>> So then what we do with the money that

2099
01:15:30,400 --> 01:15:32,880
we get from getting

2100
01:15:32,880 --> 01:15:34,320
now it goes in general fund. It's

2101
01:15:34,320 --> 01:15:37,840
general fund revenue now.

2102
01:15:37,840 --> 01:15:39,520
It just doesn't go

2103
01:15:39,520 --> 01:15:42,159
>> why doesn't show it as a general fund.

2104
01:15:42,159 --> 01:15:44,159
>> But that's the interesting aspect of

2105
01:15:44,159 --> 01:15:44,400
that

2106
01:15:44,400 --> 01:15:46,239
>> it's under charges for services.

2107
01:15:46,239 --> 01:15:50,480
>> The interesting part about that could be that it might that gives you a

2108
01:15:50,480 --> 01:15:54,560
difficult way to track if if maybe you

2109
01:15:54,560 --> 01:15:58,560
should be increasing the fee for those

2110
01:15:58,560 --> 01:16:01,199
ser that service especially assuming

2111
01:16:01,199 --> 01:16:04,320
that the insurance the health insurance

2112
01:16:04,320 --> 01:16:06,480
>> laws.

2113
01:16:06,480 --> 01:16:08,640
for sure. I think it's how

2114
01:16:08,640 --> 01:16:10,000
>> you can only charge so much.

2115
01:16:10,000 --> 01:16:12,480
Um, now we

2116
01:16:12,480 --> 01:16:14,880
can't even bill for supplies.

2117
01:16:14,880 --> 01:16:17,920
>> I I think we're only getting like 42

2118
01:16:17,920 --> 01:16:21,120
cents on the dollar refund.

2119
01:16:21,120 --> 01:16:23,760
>> Ambulance services out.

2120
01:16:23,760 --> 01:16:26,080
>> Don't ask me. [clears throat]

2121
01:16:26,080 --> 01:16:27,840
>> I don't know. How would you

2122
01:16:27,840 --> 01:16:29,040
>> We can't do that. Why?

2123
01:16:29,040 --> 01:16:30,400
>> Well, because we're in charge of the

2124
01:16:30,400 --> 01:16:32,000
paramedics. I don't think you could

2125
01:16:32,000 --> 01:16:34,080
contract the service out. Could you?

2126
01:16:34,080 --> 01:16:36,000
Isn't the ambulance the paramedics for

2127
01:16:36,000 --> 01:16:36,719
the most part?

2128
01:16:36,719 --> 01:16:37,840
>> Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Why can't

2129
01:16:37,840 --> 01:16:40,239
you have an ambulance? It would be very

2130
01:16:40,239 --> 01:16:42,400
difficult for a fire department.

2131
01:16:42,400 --> 01:16:43,920
>> Very hard for our people to be the

2132
01:16:43,920 --> 01:16:45,760
paramedics and not have the ambulance.

2133
01:16:45,760 --> 01:16:47,978
>> So, but how did the county get rid of

2134
01:16:47,978 --> 01:16:48,640
[clears throat] exist?

2135
01:16:48,640 --> 01:16:49,600
>> I don't think so.

2136
01:16:49,600 --> 01:16:50,239
>> They did.

2137
01:16:50,239 --> 01:16:51,920
>> I thought Yeah, but I thought they I

2138
01:16:51,920 --> 01:16:53,520
thought that would that like they only

2139
01:16:53,520 --> 01:16:55,120
got rid of it with the requirement that

2140
01:16:55,120 --> 01:16:56,719
we take it over.

2141
01:16:56,719 --> 01:16:58,480
>> Yeah, but I'm saying they still have

2142
01:16:58,480 --> 01:17:01,280
fire. They just don't have paramedics

2143
01:17:01,280 --> 01:17:02,880
now because we all

2144
01:17:02,880 --> 01:17:04,320
>> Doesn't the county have the special

2145
01:17:04,320 --> 01:17:05,360
district fires?

2146
01:17:05,360 --> 01:17:07,199
>> But then but then they but then they

2147
01:17:07,199 --> 01:17:07,760
didn't they

2148
01:17:07,760 --> 01:17:10,400
>> Am I wrong

2149
01:17:10,400 --> 01:17:11,920
fire district in the South D fire

2150
01:17:11,920 --> 01:17:13,760
district? They're special service

2151
01:17:13,760 --> 01:17:15,199
districts. They're not anything to do

2152
01:17:15,199 --> 01:17:16,560
with the county period.

2153
01:17:16,560 --> 01:17:18,239
>> And then but then they lowered the

2154
01:17:18,239 --> 01:17:19,920
county

2155
01:17:19,920 --> 01:17:21,600
>> and then they lowered the amount that

2156
01:17:21,600 --> 01:17:22,080
they

2157
01:17:22,080 --> 01:17:22,880
>> Dane County

2158
01:17:22,880 --> 01:17:24,320
>> and then they lowered the amount that

2159
01:17:24,320 --> 01:17:25,679
they were charging.

2160
01:17:25,679 --> 01:17:26,159
>> Okay.

2161
01:17:26,159 --> 01:17:28,080
>> To compensate for that, I think.

2162
01:17:28,080 --> 01:17:30,560
>> All right. Okay,

2163
01:17:30,560 --> 01:17:32,239
back to the

2164
01:17:32,239 --> 01:17:34,000
>> Isn't there a state rate that sets that

2165
01:17:34,000 --> 01:17:36,320
as well? I mean, there's state

2166
01:17:36,320 --> 01:17:38,159
requirements, right? Charge more

2167
01:17:38,159 --> 01:17:40,320
>> which you can charge and you can't again

2168
01:17:40,320 --> 01:17:41,120
like you said we're in

2169
01:17:41,120 --> 01:17:42,239
>> and then it's only health insurance

2170
01:17:42,239 --> 01:17:44,239
reimbursement rates and yada yada.

2171
01:17:44,239 --> 01:17:46,320
>> But we can't we can look at those fees

2172
01:17:46,320 --> 01:17:48,400
and we can charge more, right?

2173
01:17:48,400 --> 01:17:49,840
>> State rate within.

2174
01:17:49,840 --> 01:17:53,679
>> So we're charging state now. So we can't adjust that. Is that correct?

2175
01:17:53,679 --> 01:17:54,320
That's

2176
01:17:54,320 --> 01:17:56,159
>> according according to

2177
01:17:56,159 --> 01:17:57,920
>> it already cost like 1,200 bucks to go

2178
01:17:57,920 --> 01:17:59,679
from here to Davis North or more. Might

2179
01:17:59,679 --> 01:18:02,320
even be more. Probably 2,000. Oh yeah,

2180
01:18:02,320 --> 01:18:03,360
that's not much.

2181
01:18:03,360 --> 01:18:04,400
>> So much.

2182
01:18:04,400 --> 01:18:10,880
>> According to this uh the decision to do

2183
01:18:10,880 --> 01:18:13,120
the fieldhouse

2184
01:18:13,120 --> 01:18:16,719
is not affecting any monies

2185
01:18:16,719 --> 01:18:18,080
>> for 2027.

2186
01:18:18,080 --> 01:18:20,800
>> Justund 160,000.

2187
01:18:20,800 --> 01:18:22,480
>> Yeah.

2188
01:18:22,480 --> 01:18:24,320
um where am I missing that

2189
01:18:24,320 --> 01:18:28,000
>> part is coming from ramp on

2190
01:18:28,000 --> 01:18:30,480
>> because you just you put it there as a

2191
01:18:30,480 --> 01:18:33,120
negative 593

2192
01:18:33,120 --> 01:18:34,560
>> that's right cuz we're instead of

2193
01:18:34,560 --> 01:18:35,920
transferring out instead of using

2194
01:18:35,920 --> 01:18:37,280
general fund money right

2195
01:18:37,280 --> 01:18:39,760
>> we're utilizing the fund balances

2196
01:18:39,760 --> 01:18:42,000
>> right right so so then is there zero

2197
01:18:42,000 --> 01:18:44,080
then that's being affected by the truth

2198
01:18:44,080 --> 01:18:46,400
and taxation now for the fieldhouse

2199
01:18:46,400 --> 01:18:47,679
>> no there's still a little bit

2200
01:18:47,679 --> 01:18:50,400
>> how didn't you say seven

2201
01:18:50,400 --> 01:18:52,480
>> yeah if we just did a truth in taxation.

2202
01:18:52,480 --> 01:18:55,440
It was like a $65 increase. But

2203
01:18:55,440 --> 01:18:57,040
>> I know. Okay.

2204
01:18:57,040 --> 01:19:01,040
>> But to to ease the burden this tax year,

2205
01:19:01,040 --> 01:19:03,040
I'm suggesting to use fund balance for

2206
01:19:03,040 --> 01:19:04,000
it instead.

2207
01:19:04,000 --> 01:19:06,320
>> So I'd be okay. The whole thing for the

2208
01:19:06,320 --> 01:19:07,360
whole thing or just part?

2209
01:19:07,360 --> 01:19:08,560
>> No, we're using I thought we were using

2210
01:19:08,560 --> 01:19:09,840
ramp tax for partial.

2211
01:19:09,840 --> 01:19:11,760
>> Ramp tax is part, but the general fund

2212
01:19:11,760 --> 01:19:14,560
portion. Yes. All fund balance.

2213
01:19:14,560 --> 01:19:15,440
>> Okay. So

2214
01:19:15,440 --> 01:19:17,280
>> So next year you'd have to do

2215
01:19:17,280 --> 01:19:20,239
>> but it's totally out now.

2216
01:19:20,239 --> 01:19:23,120
>> Yes. In a way, it's being covered by

2217
01:19:23,120 --> 01:19:24,480
fund balance, not tax.

2218
01:19:24,480 --> 01:19:25,920
>> It's being covered by fund balance. So

2219
01:19:25,920 --> 01:19:30,000
the 21 you couldn't by by delaying the

2220
01:19:30,000 --> 01:19:32,080
payment of the fieldhouse, it wouldn't

2221
01:19:32,080 --> 01:19:33,120
lower that 21.

2222
01:19:33,120 --> 01:19:36,800
>> It would not lower our tax on this

2223
01:19:36,800 --> 01:19:37,840
>> to the taxation

2224
01:19:37,840 --> 01:19:38,719
>> for 27.

2225
01:19:38,719 --> 01:19:40,560
>> So we're not saving residents by

2226
01:19:40,560 --> 01:19:42,480
delaying the payment till it actually is

2227
01:19:42,480 --> 01:19:44,080
due, which would be next year.

2228
01:19:44,080 --> 01:19:44,640
>> Correct.

2229
01:19:44,640 --> 01:19:46,719
>> But it does lower fund balance, right?

2230
01:19:46,719 --> 01:19:48,320
It does lower the fund. But we could

2231
01:19:48,320 --> 01:19:50,080
take it out of the fund balance and then

2232
01:19:50,080 --> 01:19:52,239
use fund balance next year. Yes. Yes.

2233
01:19:52,239 --> 01:19:52,880
>> Okay.

2234
01:19:52,880 --> 01:19:54,800
>> But it does it's not affecting this

2235
01:19:54,800 --> 01:19:56,640
truth and taxation increase.

2236
01:19:56,640 --> 01:19:57,840
>> Okay.

2237
01:19:57,840 --> 01:19:59,440
>> So question, how much does RAMP

2238
01:19:59,440 --> 01:20:02,159
contribute towards that payment?

2239
01:20:02,159 --> 01:20:06,880
>> Um half. So 368 for RAMP, 368 for

2240
01:20:06,880 --> 01:20:09,360
general fund. And obviously, like I

2241
01:20:09,360 --> 01:20:10,880
said, there's a ton of ways to skin a

2242
01:20:10,880 --> 01:20:13,520
cat. So we could talk about the split

2243
01:20:13,520 --> 01:20:15,760
there, what RAMP could give. I don't

2244
01:20:15,760 --> 01:20:18,480
know. I don't want to speak for Cole. Um

2245
01:20:18,480 --> 01:20:20,640
there's also if you look at the fund

2246
01:20:20,640 --> 01:20:22,159
balance amounts, there's some fund

2247
01:20:22,159 --> 01:20:23,840
balance and ramp. Maybe we use those as

2248
01:20:23,840 --> 01:20:25,920
down payment. Again, we can get creative

2249
01:20:25,920 --> 01:20:27,520
there.

2250
01:20:27,520 --> 01:20:29,920
>> But for the sake of these spreadsheets,

2251
01:20:29,920 --> 01:20:31,840
I kind of just had to pick something and

2252
01:20:31,840 --> 01:20:33,440
present it, right?

2253
01:20:33,440 --> 01:20:35,920
>> Um yeah, that's another day. I think

2254
01:20:35,920 --> 01:20:39,040
like it it like the for example, I think

2255
01:20:39,040 --> 01:20:41,840
Leighton's ramp almost exclusively goes

2256
01:20:41,840 --> 01:20:43,920
towards the amphitheater or at least

2257
01:20:43,920 --> 01:20:46,560
does until it's paid off. And so there's

2258
01:20:46,560 --> 01:20:49,280
not like I don't think it's the worst

2259
01:20:49,280 --> 01:20:51,920
thing in the world if if we end up

2260
01:20:51,920 --> 01:20:53,840
taking the majority of the ramp for the

2261
01:20:53,840 --> 01:20:55,840
fieldhouse for a period of like and say

2262
01:20:55,840 --> 01:20:58,719
to them like and say like yeah this was

2263
01:20:58,719 --> 01:21:01,199
our decision was to have the majority of

2264
01:21:01,199 --> 01:21:02,880
it go towards the fieldhouse for a

2265
01:21:02,880 --> 01:21:04,719
period of time.

2266
01:21:04,719 --> 01:21:06,719
>> But that's that's a thought. I mean and

2267
01:21:06,719 --> 01:21:08,239
I don't think it's a decision we have to

2268
01:21:08,239 --> 01:21:10,000
make today because again it's not going

2269
01:21:10,000 --> 01:21:12,080
to affect the truth in taxation because

2270
01:21:12,080 --> 01:21:13,440
it's going to be just like a

2271
01:21:13,440 --> 01:21:15,199
distribution of funds. But it definitely

2272
01:21:15,199 --> 01:21:17,120
would be a next year

2273
01:21:17,120 --> 01:21:17,679
>> discussion.

2274
01:21:17,679 --> 01:21:19,440
>> Is there a way to get our truth and

2275
01:21:19,440 --> 01:21:21,840
taxation under 20%.

2276
01:21:21,840 --> 01:21:25,760
In my professional opinion small,

2277
01:21:25,760 --> 01:21:27,600
>> I think the only way you do it is use

2278
01:21:27,600 --> 01:21:32,159
more use more uh fun uh fun balance

2279
01:21:32,159 --> 01:21:34,080
>> and there there is an option for that

2280
01:21:34,080 --> 01:21:37,760
which is kind of my my point with if we

2281
01:21:37,760 --> 01:21:40,880
delay paying the fieldhouse this year,

2282
01:21:40,880 --> 01:21:42,320
which I'm like I still don't understand

2283
01:21:42,320 --> 01:21:43,600
why we're budgeting for something we

2284
01:21:43,600 --> 01:21:45,600
don't have to pay for for another year,

2285
01:21:45,600 --> 01:21:48,400
then we could use that money and it

2286
01:21:48,400 --> 01:21:51,520
would towards decreasing and

2287
01:21:51,520 --> 01:21:52,960
>> fun.

2288
01:21:52,960 --> 01:21:55,840
>> We I we're in right up a great point. We

2289
01:21:55,840 --> 01:21:58,880
talked about we've used u some of our

2290
01:21:58,880 --> 01:22:03,040
MBA building authority u uh fund balance

2291
01:22:03,040 --> 01:22:05,280
this year. Also some debt service fund

2292
01:22:05,280 --> 01:22:06,880
balance. We didn't use it all though. We

2293
01:22:06,880 --> 01:22:08,400
could use more of that

2294
01:22:08,400 --> 01:22:10,639
>> and we could completely drain those fund

2295
01:22:10,639 --> 01:22:12,800
balances uh this year and put it all

2296
01:22:12,800 --> 01:22:14,560
towards

2297
01:22:14,560 --> 01:22:17,280
>> lowering bad. We can't do that. We know

2298
01:22:17,280 --> 01:22:18,800
that.

2299
01:22:18,800 --> 01:22:21,920
I mean, I would rather see that money go

2300
01:22:21,920 --> 01:22:24,320
towards shoring up our general fund fund

2301
01:22:24,320 --> 01:22:25,920
balance, which I'm more worried about.

2302
01:22:25,920 --> 01:22:26,560
But

2303
01:22:26,560 --> 01:22:28,239
>> yeah, we can play that game next.

2304
01:22:28,239 --> 01:22:30,159
>> So, let me ask a question. says we're

2305
01:22:30,159 --> 01:22:31,840
getting into fund balance and stuff like

2306
01:22:31,840 --> 01:22:33,199
that because we're trying to get our

2307
01:22:33,199 --> 01:22:36,000
taxes down and I'm trying to get it so

2308
01:22:36,000 --> 01:22:39,920
that we're using some fund balance but

2309
01:22:39,920 --> 01:22:42,880
I'm looking say

2310
01:22:42,880 --> 01:22:45,679
multiple years of truth in taxation

2311
01:22:45,679 --> 01:22:48,560
maybe not quite as high but one of the

2312
01:22:48,560 --> 01:22:50,960
things that I I want to talk about is

2313
01:22:50,960 --> 01:22:52,560
let's go to the enterprise funds the

2314
01:22:52,560 --> 01:22:54,800
proprietary funds and if you look at

2315
01:22:54,800 --> 01:22:59,280
unrestricted funds in water we have two

2316
01:22:59,280 --> 01:23:01,679
As of this report, sorry I have to use

2317
01:23:01,679 --> 01:23:03,440
this report. So that only one we don't

2318
01:23:03,440 --> 01:23:05,360
have a 2026 cuz we haven't got our money

2319
01:23:05,360 --> 01:23:09,360
yet. We have a total of $15 million of

2320
01:23:09,360 --> 01:23:12,080
unrestricted funds in water, electric,

2321
01:23:12,080 --> 01:23:14,960
storm water, sewer, and then total non-

2322
01:23:14,960 --> 01:23:18,080
major funds. And we have 15 million in

2323
01:23:18,080 --> 01:23:20,480
there. Why can't we transfer some of

2324
01:23:20,480 --> 01:23:23,280
those unrestricted funds, do a budget

2325
01:23:23,280 --> 01:23:26,080
amendment, and transfer some of those

2326
01:23:26,080 --> 01:23:28,560
into fund balance so that we can use

2327
01:23:28,560 --> 01:23:31,760
some of that money um

2328
01:23:31,760 --> 01:23:33,679
>> so that we can get this tax increase

2329
01:23:33,679 --> 01:23:35,520
down a little more,

2330
01:23:35,520 --> 01:23:37,440
>> use some of this fund balance out of

2331
01:23:37,440 --> 01:23:40,000
here. And and I know he says you send a

2332
01:23:40,000 --> 01:23:41,600
thing out and says look at the operating

2333
01:23:41,600 --> 01:23:45,520
loss income like in water was 745,000

2334
01:23:45,520 --> 01:23:47,840
but yet you didn't take into

2335
01:23:47,840 --> 01:23:52,000
consideration depreciation was 937,000

2336
01:23:52,000 --> 01:23:54,719
and and depreciation isn't real money.

2337
01:23:54,719 --> 01:23:57,120
It's just depreciating and I don't even

2338
01:23:57,120 --> 01:23:59,600
know where that number even comes from.

2339
01:23:59,600 --> 01:24:03,040
Um it's like uh 430,000

2340
01:24:03,040 --> 01:24:07,360
in electric but we use 957,000

2341
01:24:07,360 --> 01:24:09,199
in depreciation.

2342
01:24:09,199 --> 01:24:11,520
>> I get it will come to you later. you'll

2343
01:24:11,520 --> 01:24:14,320
say that, but we're trying to fix a a

2344
01:24:14,320 --> 01:24:20,239
budget that's bleeding in my opinion and why we constantly

2345
01:24:20,239 --> 01:24:24,480
keep this amount there and and and we're

2346
01:24:24,480 --> 01:24:26,639
proposing an increase and you you're

2347
01:24:26,639 --> 01:24:30,800
propo proposing a 10% I think and a 15%

2348
01:24:30,800 --> 01:24:32,880
>> increase, but yet we don't even know

2349
01:24:32,880 --> 01:24:35,440
what our projections are yet from last

2350
01:24:35,440 --> 01:24:39,120
year's 10 and 15% increases. I mean, you

2351
01:24:39,120 --> 01:24:40,560
could probably give me those exact

2352
01:24:40,560 --> 01:24:42,000
numbers, but we don't have anything. We

2353
01:24:42,000 --> 01:24:43,840
don't know for the year. And if

2354
01:24:43,840 --> 01:24:46,080
inflation was only 2 and a.5%, why are

2355
01:24:46,080 --> 01:24:48,960
we asking for a 5% increase and a 15%

2356
01:24:48,960 --> 01:24:51,679
and water? Was it 15 and 10? Is 10 in

2357
01:24:51,679 --> 01:24:53,199
power, 15 water?

2358
01:24:53,199 --> 01:24:54,800
>> Balances have to be so high.

2359
01:24:54,800 --> 01:24:56,560
>> Yeah. Why do these balances have to be

2360
01:24:56,560 --> 01:24:57,120
so high?

2361
01:24:57,120 --> 01:24:59,120
>> Boy, we're I feel like we're going off

2362
01:24:59,120 --> 01:25:01,679
way into something that is another whole

2363
01:25:01,679 --> 01:25:03,199
meeting.

2364
01:25:03,199 --> 01:25:04,480
>> Trying to figure out how to pay the

2365
01:25:04,480 --> 01:25:07,280
bills. But I I I see what you're saying

2366
01:25:07,280 --> 01:25:08,719
>> because we're supposed to come up with a

2367
01:25:08,719 --> 01:25:11,040
budget by Thursday. And if we can use

2368
01:25:11,040 --> 01:25:13,120
some of these unrestricted funds to do

2369
01:25:13,120 --> 01:25:14,400
so, why not?

2370
01:25:14,400 --> 01:25:16,080
>> The short answer to that, in my opinion,

2371
01:25:16,080 --> 01:25:18,639
is we did the Waterworth models that

2372
01:25:18,639 --> 01:25:21,040
builds in the future costs of what we're

2373
01:25:21,040 --> 01:25:22,480
expecting to have to invest in the

2374
01:25:22,480 --> 01:25:24,719
infrastructure for those utilities. And

2375
01:25:24,719 --> 01:25:26,719
the depreciation is absolutely a real

2376
01:25:26,719 --> 01:25:28,719
number. I know we've talked about this

2377
01:25:28,719 --> 01:25:30,400
before. It's not a madeup number.

2378
01:25:30,400 --> 01:25:33,280
Depreciation is looking at the cost of

2379
01:25:33,280 --> 01:25:34,960
it's like a forced savings account

2380
01:25:34,960 --> 01:25:37,120
basically is you know that every year

2381
01:25:37,120 --> 01:25:40,080
those assets are are starting to uh

2382
01:25:40,080 --> 01:25:42,320
deteriorate and you have to make sure

2383
01:25:42,320 --> 01:25:44,159
that you're investing a certain amount

2384
01:25:44,159 --> 01:25:45,520
of money to make sure that when those

2385
01:25:45,520 --> 01:25:46,960
things have to be replaced you've got

2386
01:25:46,960 --> 01:25:48,400
that money so you don't get to the end

2387
01:25:48,400 --> 01:25:51,040
of the life and say oh we've got $10

2388
01:25:51,040 --> 01:25:52,639
million worth of water lines to replace

2389
01:25:52,639 --> 01:25:55,199
and we've got you know no money to do

2390
01:25:55,199 --> 01:25:58,000
it. So that depreciation is a really

2391
01:25:58,000 --> 01:25:59,360
important part of making sure we're

2392
01:25:59,360 --> 01:26:01,520
saving for those those infrastructure

2393
01:26:01,520 --> 01:26:03,600
improvements and they are going to come

2394
01:26:03,600 --> 01:26:03,840
to

2395
01:26:03,840 --> 01:26:07,840
>> I understand what you're saying but but

2396
01:26:07,840 --> 01:26:09,760
when you come to me in a meeting prior

2397
01:26:09,760 --> 01:26:11,280
to this one and you tell me that the

2398
01:26:11,280 --> 01:26:12,639
water and you wanted me to look on a

2399
01:26:12,639 --> 01:26:14,320
page and you tell me that you wanted the

2400
01:26:14,320 --> 01:26:18,239
tell me that the water lost $745,000

2401
01:26:18,239 --> 01:26:22,639
last year. I say, "Well, okay, but if I

2402
01:26:22,639 --> 01:26:25,280
took the 937,000,

2403
01:26:25,280 --> 01:26:26,719
then that would no longer be in

2404
01:26:26,719 --> 01:26:28,480
parentheses, it would be a positive

2405
01:26:28,480 --> 01:26:30,320
number,

2406
01:26:30,320 --> 01:26:33,920
and I still have a 22,700,000

2407
01:26:33,920 --> 01:26:36,080
reserve in that account."

2408
01:26:36,080 --> 01:26:38,400
That's where I get a little when we're

2409
01:26:38,400 --> 01:26:42,080
trying to reduce.

2410
01:26:42,080 --> 01:26:44,239
Well, the point I'm trying to get to is

2411
01:26:44,239 --> 01:26:45,840
our revenues don't meet our

2412
01:26:45,840 --> 01:26:47,360
expenditures. And I'm trying to figure

2413
01:26:47,360 --> 01:26:51,920
out how to fix that in in a 2 3 4 year

2414
01:26:51,920 --> 01:26:54,320
cycle. But in the meantime, I've got to

2415
01:26:54,320 --> 01:26:57,040
come up with some way to start reducing

2416
01:26:57,040 --> 01:26:59,120
the fund balance out of the general fund

2417
01:26:59,120 --> 01:27:00,560
that we keep using.

2418
01:27:00,560 --> 01:27:01,920
>> But you don't want other money.

2419
01:27:01,920 --> 01:27:03,120
>> I see. I think I see what you're saying.

2420
01:27:03,120 --> 01:27:07,040
We don't want to reduce the general fund balance at the expense of the fund

2421
01:27:07,040 --> 01:27:09,360
balances in those enterprise funds.

2422
01:27:09,360 --> 01:27:10,639
Those are just as important

2423
01:27:10,639 --> 01:27:11,440
>> there too. Yeah.

2424
01:27:11,440 --> 01:27:13,280
>> Right. And we always talk about the need

2425
01:27:13,280 --> 01:27:15,120
to make sure that we're putting money

2426
01:27:15,120 --> 01:27:18,400
aside for future capital needs.

2427
01:27:18,400 --> 01:27:20,159
>> There's nothing more expensive out there

2428
01:27:20,159 --> 01:27:24,560
than our power and our water lines. And it's absolutely critical that we're

2429
01:27:24,560 --> 01:27:26,159
putting that money in there now so that

2430
01:27:26,159 --> 01:27:28,880
when those replacements come due, we've

2431
01:27:28,880 --> 01:27:30,480
got money to to do it. And that's what

2432
01:27:30,480 --> 01:27:31,920
the whole purpose of that water worth

2433
01:27:31,920 --> 01:27:33,920
exercise is to look out several years

2434
01:27:33,920 --> 01:27:35,360
and say, "Okay, here's the big projects.

2435
01:27:35,360 --> 01:27:37,199
We know that are coming at us. We know

2436
01:27:37,199 --> 01:27:39,520
it because we we've planned out the

2437
01:27:39,520 --> 01:27:41,760
project. We estimated the costs and in

2438
01:27:41,760 --> 01:27:43,520
order to be able to meet those costs and

2439
01:27:43,520 --> 01:27:44,800
not just all of a sudden say, "Hey

2440
01:27:44,800 --> 01:27:47,040
residents, guess what? We've got to do a

2441
01:27:47,040 --> 01:27:48,719
100% increase in water rates this year

2442
01:27:48,719 --> 01:27:50,880
cuz we don't have any money to do all

2443
01:27:50,880 --> 01:27:52,880
these, you know, we've got a major water

2444
01:27:52,880 --> 01:27:54,560
tank replacement coming in a few years,

2445
01:27:54,560 --> 01:27:56,320
you know, or new water tank, I should

2446
01:27:56,320 --> 01:27:58,960
say. Um, and

2447
01:27:58,960 --> 01:28:01,280
>> numerous expenditures, right? So, but I

2448
01:28:01,280 --> 01:28:03,520
just think getting into taking away from

2449
01:28:03,520 --> 01:28:05,280
those those reserves and the enterprise

2450
01:28:05,280 --> 01:28:07,760
funds is a really bad idea.

2451
01:28:07,760 --> 01:28:09,520
>> Not all of them, just some of it. Not

2452
01:28:09,520 --> 01:28:11,679
all of it. But I guess what I'm saying

2453
01:28:11,679 --> 01:28:14,000
is you've done the five and the 10%, but

2454
01:28:14,000 --> 01:28:15,760
I don't even know what the projections

2455
01:28:15,760 --> 01:28:17,679
have gained for us. I don't know. But

2456
01:28:17,679 --> 01:28:18,960
before I even know what those

2457
01:28:18,960 --> 01:28:20,800
projections have gained, you want

2458
01:28:20,800 --> 01:28:23,520
another 10 and 15%. I want to know where

2459
01:28:23,520 --> 01:28:24,239
they're at.

2460
01:28:24,239 --> 01:28:25,840
>> Yeah. And I have a question since we're

2461
01:28:25,840 --> 01:28:27,360
talking about these types of funds. Um

2462
01:28:27,360 --> 01:28:30,239
the um movement of the field station or

2463
01:28:30,239 --> 01:28:33,600
the fill station is a million5, right?

2464
01:28:33,600 --> 01:28:36,639
>> Uh the fuel station 500,000.

2465
01:28:36,639 --> 01:28:37,920
>> We take that out of one of these funds

2466
01:28:37,920 --> 01:28:39,920
that he's talking about. Public works

2467
01:28:39,920 --> 01:28:42,639
power. I'm not looking at the worksheet.

2468
01:28:42,639 --> 01:28:44,560
>> We do have it split.

2469
01:28:44,560 --> 01:28:45,199
>> So general fun.

2470
01:28:45,199 --> 01:28:46,719
>> So you don't So that does not come from

2471
01:28:46,719 --> 01:28:47,600
the general fund.

2472
01:28:47,600 --> 01:28:49,840
>> Um small portion does because we have

2473
01:28:49,840 --> 01:28:51,760
parks and mechanics down there and their

2474
01:28:51,760 --> 01:28:53,199
general fund.

2475
01:28:53,199 --> 01:28:54,800
>> Okay. Okay. But we are trying to take

2476
01:28:54,800 --> 01:28:56,239
from some of those enterprise funds.

2477
01:28:56,239 --> 01:28:58,480
>> Correct. Yes. They pay the those

2478
01:28:58,480 --> 01:29:00,400
enterprise funds pay their fair share of

2479
01:29:00,400 --> 01:29:01,920
anything that goes on at the op center

2480
01:29:01,920 --> 01:29:03,679
including the fuel station.

2481
01:29:03,679 --> 01:29:05,199
>> Okay. And that brings me to my next

2482
01:29:05,199 --> 01:29:07,440
question. So openter is part of this

2483
01:29:07,440 --> 01:29:08,639
budget here.

2484
01:29:08,639 --> 01:29:09,360
>> Correct.

2485
01:29:09,360 --> 01:29:12,560
>> Uh yeah. So this is the general fund and

2486
01:29:12,560 --> 01:29:14,560
only a tiny bit of the general fund is

2487
01:29:14,560 --> 01:29:15,920
going towards the op center. the vast

2488
01:29:15,920 --> 01:29:17,360
majority of it is coming out of

2489
01:29:17,360 --> 01:29:19,520
enterprise funds because that's what

2490
01:29:19,520 --> 01:29:21,120
it's power, water, and those utilities

2491
01:29:21,120 --> 01:29:22,400
that are using

2492
01:29:22,400 --> 01:29:23,440
>> the majority.

2493
01:29:23,440 --> 01:29:25,120
>> So, can't the whole thing come out of

2494
01:29:25,120 --> 01:29:28,000
those funds since we've got the money?

2495
01:29:28,000 --> 01:29:30,000
We have 15 million in enterprise funds.

2496
01:29:30,000 --> 01:29:32,400
Can't that extra 75,000 that we're

2497
01:29:32,400 --> 01:29:34,560
taking from general fund come from one

2498
01:29:34,560 --> 01:29:35,600
of those funds?

2499
01:29:35,600 --> 01:29:37,440
>> And and I don't mind that at all because

2500
01:29:37,440 --> 01:29:40,159
it's a onetime expenditure like you

2501
01:29:40,159 --> 01:29:42,560
know, if we're talking about saying,

2502
01:29:42,560 --> 01:29:44,320
"Oh, let's take from this other thing

2503
01:29:44,320 --> 01:29:46,320
like for for things that are going to be

2504
01:29:46,320 --> 01:29:48,880
perpetually happening,

2505
01:29:48,880 --> 01:29:50,639
uh, then that's an issue. But if we're

2506
01:29:50,639 --> 01:29:52,560
talking about a one-time expenditure, I

2507
01:29:52,560 --> 01:29:54,639
think that like every little bit will

2508
01:29:54,639 --> 01:29:57,760
count. like if we if the field like to

2509
01:29:57,760 --> 01:30:00,560
mayor's point not only the fuel station

2510
01:30:00,560 --> 01:30:04,320
but also anything from the from the new

2511
01:30:04,320 --> 01:30:05,840
um

2512
01:30:05,840 --> 01:30:08,239
op station like I just would say since

2513
01:30:08,239 --> 01:30:10,719
it's a one time let's take anything and

2514
01:30:10,719 --> 01:30:13,920
everything out of the

2515
01:30:13,920 --> 01:30:15,600
>> the increase

2516
01:30:15,600 --> 01:30:16,000
>> yes

2517
01:30:16,000 --> 01:30:17,920
>> and how much would that look like and

2518
01:30:17,920 --> 01:30:19,520
because I want to be very mindful of

2519
01:30:19,520 --> 01:30:21,120
what you're saying Jason as well I think

2520
01:30:21,120 --> 01:30:22,960
you're spot on

2521
01:30:22,960 --> 01:30:25,440
>> but I also think that we need to.

2522
01:30:25,440 --> 01:30:27,040
>> But this is one of those deals where it

2523
01:30:27,040 --> 01:30:29,760
is a one time capital type improvement.

2524
01:30:29,760 --> 01:30:31,679
And I can't think of a better fund to

2525
01:30:31,679 --> 01:30:34,960
use that for than to count it as part of

2526
01:30:34,960 --> 01:30:36,239
a general

2527
01:30:36,239 --> 01:30:38,719
>> fund portion that's going to be in there

2528
01:30:38,719 --> 01:30:40,320
every year now. I don't want

2529
01:30:40,320 --> 01:30:42,639
>> You're saying it's what 75?

2530
01:30:42,639 --> 01:30:46,080
>> It's 800 500,000 or something.

2531
01:30:46,080 --> 01:30:49,199
>> Oh, the general portion is like 67,000 a

2532
01:30:49,199 --> 01:30:49,520
year.

2533
01:30:49,520 --> 01:30:51,840
>> Yeah, 67. So, can we do that? That

2534
01:30:51,840 --> 01:30:54,960
That's an easy. Yeah, I think it's a

2535
01:30:54,960 --> 01:30:58,960
little bit more transparent to like Mike

2536
01:30:58,960 --> 01:31:01,360
said, probably transfer some fund

2537
01:31:01,360 --> 01:31:03,120
balance to general fund and then general

2538
01:31:03,120 --> 01:31:05,600
fund still pays because general fund

2539
01:31:05,600 --> 01:31:06,320
uses it.

2540
01:31:06,320 --> 01:31:07,600
>> Okay. However, it's just

2541
01:31:07,600 --> 01:31:09,360
>> however, yes.

2542
01:31:09,360 --> 01:31:10,960
>> Um

2543
01:31:10,960 --> 01:31:13,040
67,000 a year

2544
01:31:13,040 --> 01:31:14,159
>> for the 20-year bond

2545
01:31:14,159 --> 01:31:15,760
>> for which one? For the

2546
01:31:15,760 --> 01:31:19,600
>> op center. So 67 grand. And then how

2547
01:31:19,600 --> 01:31:21,440
much were the how much was

2548
01:31:21,440 --> 01:31:23,360
>> I've only I've only done the onetime

2549
01:31:23,360 --> 01:31:24,960
payment for the fuel. So general funds

2550
01:31:24,960 --> 01:31:26,800
portion would be 75,000.

2551
01:31:26,800 --> 01:31:30,960
>> So we got we've got 150 almost 150 grand

2552
01:31:30,960 --> 01:31:32,159
40 grand that we could

2553
01:31:32,159 --> 01:31:33,840
>> do the taxation number

2554
01:31:33,840 --> 01:31:36,159
>> that is either or not you wouldn't do

2555
01:31:36,159 --> 01:31:37,679
both

2556
01:31:37,679 --> 01:31:43,199
>> because the fuel station um move is that

2557
01:31:43,199 --> 01:31:45,520
cost is built into the opcenter bond.

2558
01:31:45,520 --> 01:31:46,960
So, we either have to do the whole

2559
01:31:46,960 --> 01:31:48,400
kitten kaboodleoodle of the op center

2560
01:31:48,400 --> 01:31:49,600
remodel

2561
01:31:49,600 --> 01:31:51,920
>> or there was move the fuel line. Pardon

2562
01:31:51,920 --> 01:31:53,280
there, but I thought there was an amount

2563
01:31:53,280 --> 01:31:55,360
that talked about the fuel. I thought in

2564
01:31:55,360 --> 01:31:57,920
these papers it had a specific cost for

2565
01:31:57,920 --> 01:31:59,440
the fuel station.

2566
01:31:59,440 --> 01:32:00,639
>> There was a number.

2567
01:32:00,639 --> 01:32:04,070
>> It's 500,000,000.

2568
01:32:04,080 --> 01:32:06,159
» Can't we just get that done now and get

2569
01:32:06,159 --> 01:32:07,760
that fixed and take that out of those

2570
01:32:07,760 --> 01:32:08,880
enterprise plants?

2571
01:32:08,880 --> 01:32:11,360
>> Yes, but we're just proposing if we're

2572
01:32:11,360 --> 01:32:13,440
going to move it and eventually bring it

2573
01:32:13,440 --> 01:32:15,440
off center.

2574
01:32:15,440 --> 01:32:16,400
We

2575
01:32:16,400 --> 01:32:18,320
>> I'm just trying to get the expenditures

2576
01:32:18,320 --> 01:32:20,000
in the general fund down to where the

2577
01:32:20,000 --> 01:32:21,360
revenues are starting to, you know,

2578
01:32:21,360 --> 01:32:23,199
because I I would really love to balance

2579
01:32:23,199 --> 01:32:25,760
the general fund revenues to the general

2580
01:32:25,760 --> 01:32:28,320
fund expenditures. I agree with you.

2581
01:32:28,320 --> 01:32:29,920
>> Have to pay interest on that. If we have

2582
01:32:29,920 --> 01:32:33,120
a new enterprise fund on a bond,

2583
01:32:33,120 --> 01:32:34,960
>> it's not a huge impact, but still we're

2584
01:32:34,960 --> 01:32:36,560
paying interest on it. So, can't we just

2585
01:32:36,560 --> 01:32:39,199
take that money out or move it however

2586
01:32:39,199 --> 01:32:41,520
we need to so that it reduces that

2587
01:32:41,520 --> 01:32:44,239
amount and we're not paying interest on?

2588
01:32:44,239 --> 01:32:46,239
Yeah, I I think we have to be sensitive

2589
01:32:46,239 --> 01:32:48,639
to Prop Five. There's probably rules

2590
01:32:48,639 --> 01:32:50,880
there which we have to look into.

2591
01:32:50,880 --> 01:32:53,520
>> We need We need to have a public hearing

2592
01:32:53,520 --> 01:32:55,520
>> and explain why we are moving.

2593
01:32:55,520 --> 01:32:56,960
>> Yeah.

2594
01:32:56,960 --> 01:32:59,280
>> And I 100% all

2595
01:32:59,280 --> 01:33:01,679
>> Yeah, I know. I So, I don't want to just

2596
01:33:01,679 --> 01:33:03,840
tell you yes, we solved it, right? I

2597
01:33:03,840 --> 01:33:06,880
think there's still more to do, but it's

2598
01:33:06,880 --> 01:33:08,000
Yep. we have.

2599
01:33:08,000 --> 01:33:10,159
>> So, but I would also argue if we're

2600
01:33:10,159 --> 01:33:13,280
moving fund balance from enterprise to

2601
01:33:13,280 --> 01:33:15,360
general fund to save the general fund

2602
01:33:15,360 --> 01:33:18,400
from bleeding fund balance.

2603
01:33:18,400 --> 01:33:19,840
>> Aren't you kind of doing that?

2604
01:33:19,840 --> 01:33:22,000
>> What I'm proposing that we do is we take

2605
01:33:22,000 --> 01:33:24,800
the fuel island completely out of the

2606
01:33:24,800 --> 01:33:25,600
general fund.

2607
01:33:25,600 --> 01:33:28,639
>> Yes. and move it to an enterprise fund

2608
01:33:28,639 --> 01:33:30,880
expenditure. Have public hearings and

2609
01:33:30,880 --> 01:33:33,199
say we are going to replace our fuel

2610
01:33:33,199 --> 01:33:36,400
island with fund balance out of these

2611
01:33:36,400 --> 01:33:38,880
funds. And that means we have to have a

2612
01:33:38,880 --> 01:33:41,360
public hearing that says we're going to

2613
01:33:41,360 --> 01:33:43,440
move them out of these enterprise funds.

2614
01:33:43,440 --> 01:33:44,639
>> Yes. And

2615
01:33:44,639 --> 01:33:46,719
>> specific to that,

2616
01:33:46,719 --> 01:33:48,639
>> right? And that will reduce our TNT

2617
01:33:48,639 --> 01:33:49,040
number.

2618
01:33:49,040 --> 01:33:51,600
>> It reduces TNT

2619
01:33:51,600 --> 01:33:52,400
a little bit. Right.

2620
01:33:52,400 --> 01:33:55,040
>> Yes. in the in future years, not for 27.

2621
01:33:55,040 --> 01:33:57,120
I have it coming out of capital fund

2622
01:33:57,120 --> 01:33:57,520
balance.

2623
01:33:57,520 --> 01:33:59,760
>> Oh, that's right.

2624
01:33:59,760 --> 01:34:02,960
>> We'll move it from capital to

2625
01:34:02,960 --> 01:34:05,280
>> I mean that

2626
01:34:05,280 --> 01:34:06,639
>> can't you move it from capital to this

2627
01:34:06,639 --> 01:34:06,960
one?

2628
01:34:06,960 --> 01:34:08,159
>> I mean that helps from the budget. I

2629
01:34:08,159 --> 01:34:10,320
want to see that number reduced and

2630
01:34:10,320 --> 01:34:11,679
>> yes, but I'm just telling you it's not

2631
01:34:11,679 --> 01:34:13,120
going to affect your TNT.

2632
01:34:13,120 --> 01:34:14,560
>> Why not? Because it's

2633
01:34:14,560 --> 01:34:16,159
>> because I have it budgeted out of the

2634
01:34:16,159 --> 01:34:17,199
fund balance right now.

2635
01:34:17,199 --> 01:34:18,480
>> A different Oh, you did? I thought

2636
01:34:18,480 --> 01:34:18,960
capital.

2637
01:34:18,960 --> 01:34:20,400
>> Okay. Okay. I thought it was coming out

2638
01:34:20,400 --> 01:34:23,520
of the general fund. Well, capital fund

2639
01:34:23,520 --> 01:34:25,360
is funded by the general government.

2640
01:34:25,360 --> 01:34:26,880
>> Okay, but wait a minute, Marin, can't

2641
01:34:26,880 --> 01:34:28,719
you do this? Because you're taking that

2642
01:34:28,719 --> 01:34:30,320
money

2643
01:34:30,320 --> 01:34:32,560
>> out of the enterprise funds,

2644
01:34:32,560 --> 01:34:33,600
>> right?

2645
01:34:33,600 --> 01:34:35,440
>> And using it to do the fuel lines,

2646
01:34:35,440 --> 01:34:36,320
>> right?

2647
01:34:36,320 --> 01:34:40,400
>> Can't we still have the money that's

2648
01:34:40,400 --> 01:34:42,960
that money? Can't we take that money now

2649
01:34:42,960 --> 01:34:46,239
out of the general fund, put it into the

2650
01:34:46,239 --> 01:34:49,600
and use it as fund balance to pay down

2651
01:34:49,600 --> 01:34:51,840
the cost? So, it does it's just moving

2652
01:34:51,840 --> 01:34:53,679
it, but it's going to look like there's

2653
01:34:53,679 --> 01:34:56,880
less of a tax increase, more being used

2654
01:34:56,880 --> 01:35:00,480
out of the out of the um fund balance,

2655
01:35:00,480 --> 01:35:02,639
but we're also replacing the fund

2656
01:35:02,639 --> 01:35:05,120
balance with enterprise fund balance to

2657
01:35:05,120 --> 01:35:06,239
do the fuel line on.

2658
01:35:06,239 --> 01:35:06,560
>> Yes.

2659
01:35:06,560 --> 01:35:09,040
If I had it budgeted that way, but

2660
01:35:09,040 --> 01:35:10,560
right now I have it budgeted out of

2661
01:35:10,560 --> 01:35:11,040
savings.

2662
01:35:11,040 --> 01:35:12,159
>> But you can change that, right?

2663
01:35:12,159 --> 01:35:13,199
>> But you can change it, right?

2664
01:35:13,199 --> 01:35:15,360
>> Yeah. But then it'll raise this to to

2665
01:35:15,360 --> 01:35:18,159
lower it to the same 21.97.

2666
01:35:18,159 --> 01:35:18,960
I don't know.

2667
01:35:18,960 --> 01:35:22,239
>> Yes. Cuz right now I have savings

2668
01:35:22,239 --> 01:35:24,480
covering the fuel island part.

2669
01:35:24,480 --> 01:35:26,080
>> Okay. So you're saying it's

2670
01:35:26,080 --> 01:35:26,560
>> Yes.

2671
01:35:26,560 --> 01:35:28,800
>> Okay. Okay. We're just trying to see

2672
01:35:28,800 --> 01:35:29,840
what we can do.

2673
01:35:29,840 --> 01:35:30,639
>> No, I get it.

2674
01:35:30,639 --> 01:35:31,840
>> Additionally,

2675
01:35:31,840 --> 01:35:34,800
>> no, I'm I don't I'm not I feel great.

2676
01:35:34,800 --> 01:35:36,960
I'm not offended. I I understand the

2677
01:35:36,960 --> 01:35:37,280
goal

2678
01:35:37,280 --> 01:35:38,880
>> and you know this completely more than

2679
01:35:38,880 --> 01:35:40,560
we do. I get So do you.

2680
01:35:40,560 --> 01:35:41,920
>> So I hope you guys aren't offended

2681
01:35:41,920 --> 01:35:43,760
either because I'm just like I'm in this

2682
01:35:43,760 --> 01:35:47,280
every day, right? This is my job. Um,

2683
01:35:47,280 --> 01:35:48,639
and this is your job.

2684
01:35:48,639 --> 01:35:50,800
>> Coming up with all these questions to

2685
01:35:50,800 --> 01:35:51,920
make your life crazy.

2686
01:35:51,920 --> 01:35:54,239
>> So, I'm just trying to explain it in a

2687
01:35:54,239 --> 01:35:58,171
way. I'm I'm I I'm all good. We're good.

2688
01:35:58,171 --> 01:35:58,639
[clears throat]

2689
01:35:58,639 --> 01:35:59,280
>> Okay.

2690
01:35:59,280 --> 01:36:00,719
>> Is there a way to take I was just going

2691
01:36:00,719 --> 01:36:03,520
to Sorry, just Is there any

2692
01:36:03,520 --> 01:36:05,920
>> Okay. The enterprise funds are not for

2693
01:36:05,920 --> 01:36:07,520
Well, they could be to help pay for

2694
01:36:07,520 --> 01:36:10,000
different um salaries, right?

2695
01:36:10,000 --> 01:36:12,239
>> If it has to do with that department,

2696
01:36:12,239 --> 01:36:13,440
>> which we already do. Yes,

2697
01:36:13,440 --> 01:36:14,880
>> we already do that. So, I was just

2698
01:36:14,880 --> 01:36:16,800
saying the assistant attorney.

2699
01:36:16,800 --> 01:36:18,639
>> They do a lot of Yeah. land use type

2700
01:36:18,639 --> 01:36:20,719
things and they do a lot of um legal

2701
01:36:20,719 --> 01:36:23,600
things. Could some of that come out of a

2702
01:36:23,600 --> 01:36:25,679
different account, an enterprise

2703
01:36:25,679 --> 01:36:26,639
account?

2704
01:36:26,639 --> 01:36:29,280
>> Technic technically, we could start

2705
01:36:29,280 --> 01:36:32,239
having her track her time and split it

2706
01:36:32,239 --> 01:36:34,239
to whatever that amount. I'm just

2707
01:36:34,239 --> 01:36:36,480
saying, is there a way to It's more

2708
01:36:36,480 --> 01:36:37,679
work. I get it.

2709
01:36:37,679 --> 01:36:40,480
>> Yes. I don't think it's going to be Yes.

2710
01:36:40,480 --> 01:36:43,679
Your answer is yes, we can do that.

2711
01:36:43,679 --> 01:36:45,119
or any of those positions.

2712
01:36:45,119 --> 01:36:45,679
>> Correct.

2713
01:36:45,679 --> 01:36:46,639
>> Yes. Okay.

2714
01:36:46,639 --> 01:36:49,520
>> We do that with public works positions

2715
01:36:49,520 --> 01:36:54,159
um mainly and some of the building guys

2716
01:36:54,159 --> 01:36:56,080
I think are split.

2717
01:36:56,080 --> 01:36:57,520
>> Maybe parks.

2718
01:36:57,520 --> 01:36:59,040
>> Yeah, move parks.

2719
01:36:59,040 --> 01:37:00,960
>> Okay.

2720
01:37:00,960 --> 01:37:04,000
>> Um but yeah, everyone else is pretty

2721
01:37:04,000 --> 01:37:07,040
much out of their specific fund or

2722
01:37:07,040 --> 01:37:08,320
department. Sorry.

2723
01:37:08,320 --> 01:37:11,840
>> Okay. and and those numbers for um let's

2724
01:37:11,840 --> 01:37:14,480
see operations inflation is that a fixed

2725
01:37:14,480 --> 01:37:16,480
number can we reduce that at all is that

2726
01:37:16,480 --> 01:37:17,679
an estimate

2727
01:37:17,679 --> 01:37:17,920
>> um

2728
01:37:17,920 --> 01:37:18,880
>> that is an estimate

2729
01:37:18,880 --> 01:37:21,600
>> based on our meetings with department

2730
01:37:21,600 --> 01:37:25,040
heads that that is what we came up with

2731
01:37:25,040 --> 01:37:27,600
now I technically you could have

2732
01:37:27,600 --> 01:37:29,360
department heads go through and kind of

2733
01:37:29,360 --> 01:37:31,920
comb and but again like we talked about

2734
01:37:31,920 --> 01:37:34,400
the hard costs right we can't control

2735
01:37:34,400 --> 01:37:37,840
fuel increase we can't control the EMS

2736
01:37:37,840 --> 01:37:39,600
supplies increase. We can't control

2737
01:37:39,600 --> 01:37:42,159
software and internet went up and this

2738
01:37:42,159 --> 01:37:44,719
and that, right? But sure, we could take

2739
01:37:44,719 --> 01:37:46,239
out

2740
01:37:46,239 --> 01:37:47,920
I don't I can't even think of a good

2741
01:37:47,920 --> 01:37:48,960
example cuz

2742
01:37:48,960 --> 01:37:50,560
>> and we we did want to look I know

2743
01:37:50,560 --> 01:37:52,639
>> a lot of these are truly just like

2744
01:37:52,639 --> 01:37:54,159
jersey costs went up.

2745
01:37:54,159 --> 01:37:54,719
>> Okay.

2746
01:37:54,719 --> 01:37:56,719
>> For our wreck programs. So,

2747
01:37:56,719 --> 01:37:58,037
>> but don't we pass that cost on?

2748
01:37:58,037 --> 01:37:58,880
[clears throat]

2749
01:37:58,880 --> 01:38:00,800
>> Yeah, we pass it on, but we still have

2750
01:38:00,800 --> 01:38:03,920
to up the operations to up the revenue

2751
01:38:03,920 --> 01:38:04,480
>> set.

2752
01:38:04,480 --> 01:38:05,119
>> Correct.

2753
01:38:05,119 --> 01:38:07,440
>> Okay. And Nate, so sorry. The last thing

2754
01:38:07,440 --> 01:38:10,080
I'm probably getting ahead of you maybe,

2755
01:38:10,080 --> 01:38:11,760
but I know Nate's been asking for a

2756
01:38:11,760 --> 01:38:12,480
fleet list.

2757
01:38:12,480 --> 01:38:13,920
>> Oh, and I talked to him today

2758
01:38:13,920 --> 01:38:15,520
>> in this conversation. Oh,

2759
01:38:15,520 --> 01:38:17,679
>> are there any vehicles that we donate

2760
01:38:17,679 --> 01:38:19,040
that we could decommission that would

2761
01:38:19,040 --> 01:38:22,080
help lower our fuel costs?

2762
01:38:22,080 --> 01:38:24,639
>> I have not gotten that far on the list.

2763
01:38:24,639 --> 01:38:26,320
I apologize. I just learned of it last

2764
01:38:26,320 --> 01:38:26,719
week.

2765
01:38:26,719 --> 01:38:27,199
>> Yes.

2766
01:38:27,199 --> 01:38:29,040
>> And then we have the meeting Friday and

2767
01:38:29,040 --> 01:38:31,440
this special meeting and so I am working

2768
01:38:31,440 --> 01:38:32,560
on that

2769
01:38:32,560 --> 01:38:34,719
>> to put that together. Yes.

2770
01:38:34,719 --> 01:38:36,639
>> Okay. Thanks. We're just trying to do

2771
01:38:36,639 --> 01:38:37,440
everything we can.

2772
01:38:37,440 --> 01:38:39,199
>> I know. And I'm happy to help and

2773
01:38:39,199 --> 01:38:40,480
answer. Um,

2774
01:38:40,480 --> 01:38:40,800
>> okay.

2775
01:38:40,800 --> 01:38:43,119
>> We're all good.

2776
01:38:43,119 --> 01:38:45,679
>> Um, I

2777
01:38:45,679 --> 01:38:47,280
don't know where we landed with the

2778
01:38:47,280 --> 01:38:49,280
transferring of funds from other things

2779
01:38:49,280 --> 01:38:51,679
and what we decided to do. I think um,

2780
01:38:51,679 --> 01:38:54,400
but regardless, Prop 5 is only for

2781
01:38:54,400 --> 01:38:55,840
power, right?

2782
01:38:55,840 --> 01:38:56,880
>> That's what I thought.

2783
01:38:56,880 --> 01:38:59,600
>> Okay. So, as long as we're not moving

2784
01:38:59,600 --> 01:39:01,040
Well, it was brought up. As long as

2785
01:39:01,040 --> 01:39:03,679
we're not moving things from power, we

2786
01:39:03,679 --> 01:39:05,440
don't have to do anything with Prop 5,

2787
01:39:05,440 --> 01:39:06,800
right? We don't have to.

2788
01:39:06,800 --> 01:39:07,119
>> Okay,

2789
01:39:07,119 --> 01:39:07,840
>> that's correct.

2790
01:39:07,840 --> 01:39:10,320
>> Okay, cuz it w it was talked about and I

2791
01:39:10,320 --> 01:39:12,239
just I am uncomfortable.

2792
01:39:12,239 --> 01:39:13,760
>> I thought it was all enterprise funds

2793
01:39:13,760 --> 01:39:17,360
and it just got brought up because

2794
01:39:17,360 --> 01:39:18,480
Okay, great.

2795
01:39:18,480 --> 01:39:18,960
>> Okay,

2796
01:39:18,960 --> 01:39:21,199
>> I'm okay with moving some of that out.

2797
01:39:21,199 --> 01:39:23,920
>> Well, I'm uncomfortable using power

2798
01:39:23,920 --> 01:39:26,080
without

2799
01:39:26,080 --> 01:39:28,080
>> doing something public.

2800
01:39:28,080 --> 01:39:29,520
>> Yeah, we can do a public. I know, but I

2801
01:39:29,520 --> 01:39:31,360
don't want to use this

2802
01:39:31,360 --> 01:39:31,679
>> 10 years

2803
01:39:31,679 --> 01:39:34,560
>> to repeal Prop 5.

2804
01:39:34,560 --> 01:39:36,239
>> Well, the state law says you can use the

2805
01:39:36,239 --> 01:39:37,920
money on enterprise funds. Always has.

2806
01:39:37,920 --> 01:39:40,560
And state right in our code says anytime

2807
01:39:40,560 --> 01:39:44,080
a state fund is more it it takes

2808
01:39:44,080 --> 01:39:46,320
precedence over your ordinance, which we

2809
01:39:46,320 --> 01:39:49,360
we've had situations like this before,

2810
01:39:49,360 --> 01:39:51,760
>> but and I don't disagree with you. I

2811
01:39:51,760 --> 01:39:53,600
think we need to be as transparent as

2812
01:39:53,600 --> 01:39:56,480
possible. And so we would have to hold a

2813
01:39:56,480 --> 01:39:59,280
specifically different

2814
01:39:59,280 --> 01:40:01,760
public hearing for that electric to use

2815
01:40:01,760 --> 01:40:03,760
any money out of that enterprise funds

2816
01:40:03,760 --> 01:40:04,080
for

2817
01:40:04,080 --> 01:40:05,040
>> I understand.

2818
01:40:05,040 --> 01:40:05,520
>> Okay.

2819
01:40:05,520 --> 01:40:08,080
>> I just am not a huge fan of using this

2820
01:40:08,080 --> 01:40:10,239
as an excuse to access it especially

2821
01:40:10,239 --> 01:40:12,080
when our water worth models show that

2822
01:40:12,080 --> 01:40:13,600
we're still struggling in that fund.

2823
01:40:13,600 --> 01:40:15,920
Anyways, it seems odd to me that we're

2824
01:40:15,920 --> 01:40:18,719
saying, "Oh man, our general fund is so

2825
01:40:18,719 --> 01:40:21,119
low. Let's take from other general funds

2826
01:40:21,119 --> 01:40:22,639
that are also struggling. We're like

2827
01:40:22,639 --> 01:40:26,719
doing the same thing only like like in another layer.

2828
01:40:26,719 --> 01:40:29,520
>> That was I guess I'm missing out.

2829
01:40:29,520 --> 01:40:31,440
Explain to me how it's struggling,

2830
01:40:31,440 --> 01:40:34,560
please. I need to know the money is

2831
01:40:34,560 --> 01:40:35,199
struggling.

2832
01:40:35,199 --> 01:40:36,880
>> How the power fund is struggling.

2833
01:40:36,880 --> 01:40:38,480
>> Yes. I need to know how the power fund

2834
01:40:38,480 --> 01:40:38,719
is.

2835
01:40:38,719 --> 01:40:40,800
>> I only know what the graphs say and they

2836
01:40:40,800 --> 01:40:43,280
say we're going down even with our rate

2837
01:40:43,280 --> 01:40:45,520
raises. Is that correct, Marin?

2838
01:40:45,520 --> 01:40:47,199
>> Correct.

2839
01:40:47,199 --> 01:40:48,800
>> Is that what the projections of that

2840
01:40:48,800 --> 01:40:51,040
last 10% increase that we did?

2841
01:40:51,040 --> 01:40:52,080
>> No.

2842
01:40:52,080 --> 01:40:54,159
Well, last year when we presented an

2843
01:40:54,159 --> 01:40:56,400
increase, we we also presented we would

2844
01:40:56,400 --> 01:40:58,080
have to do increases every year moving

2845
01:40:58,080 --> 01:41:00,960
forward. Same with how we presented this

2846
01:41:00,960 --> 01:41:02,080
year.

2847
01:41:02,080 --> 01:41:05,280
>> But that 10% will compound in future

2848
01:41:05,280 --> 01:41:07,040
years. I you know it's

2849
01:41:07,040 --> 01:41:12,080
>> correct as well 10% operation cost amps

2850
01:41:12,080 --> 01:41:14,000
cost employees cost.

2851
01:41:14,000 --> 01:41:16,480
>> I understand all of that but I want to

2852
01:41:16,480 --> 01:41:18,639
know where the projections go with our

2853
01:41:18,639 --> 01:41:20,239
increase. I want to see what that did to

2854
01:41:20,239 --> 01:41:22,080
the graph. What did it exactly do to the

2855
01:41:22,080 --> 01:41:22,400
graph?

2856
01:41:22,400 --> 01:41:24,320
>> The graph shows what it is. The graph

2857
01:41:24,320 --> 01:41:26,400
incorporates the 10%

2858
01:41:26,400 --> 01:41:27,600
>> included the 10%.

2859
01:41:27,600 --> 01:41:29,360
>> Correct. On Friday we showed that my

2860
01:41:29,360 --> 01:41:32,000
mistake.

2861
01:41:32,000 --> 01:41:33,600
>> So I think that's why I'm uncomfortable

2862
01:41:33,600 --> 01:41:37,119
using I mean sure 75,000 one time for

2863
01:41:37,119 --> 01:41:40,159
the fuel island. Sure. But a continuing

2864
01:41:40,159 --> 01:41:45,360
ongoing for the op center maybe not.

2865
01:41:45,360 --> 01:41:48,239
>> Especially comes out of power.

2866
01:41:48,239 --> 01:41:49,040
>> Comes out of what?

2867
01:41:49,040 --> 01:41:51,040
>> Power. Okay.

2868
01:41:51,040 --> 01:41:52,800
Sorry, it's a little streamed.

2869
01:41:52,800 --> 01:41:55,040
>> Well, the op center should come out of

2870
01:41:55,040 --> 01:41:55,520
power,

2871
01:41:55,520 --> 01:41:57,199
>> right? It its part should come out of

2872
01:41:57,199 --> 01:41:58,719
power, but I'm saying the additional

2873
01:41:58,719 --> 01:42:01,760
67,000 I'm not sure should come out of

2874
01:42:01,760 --> 01:42:03,679
power since a lot of it's restricted

2875
01:42:03,679 --> 01:42:04,880
with that Prop 5.

2876
01:42:04,880 --> 01:42:06,880
>> The last time we brought it up with the

2877
01:42:06,880 --> 01:42:08,159
public, I don't know if it was last

2878
01:42:08,159 --> 01:42:09,119
year, the year before.

2879
01:42:09,119 --> 01:42:10,000
>> It's been a few years.

2880
01:42:10,000 --> 01:42:13,520
>> And I'm not sure why you'd even have to, be honest, I'm not sure why you even

2881
01:42:13,520 --> 01:42:16,560
have to because the power uses the fuel

2882
01:42:16,560 --> 01:42:18,719
line. I'm not sure why you couldn't

2883
01:42:18,719 --> 01:42:20,320
would even have to have a public

2884
01:42:20,320 --> 01:42:21,600
hearing.

2885
01:42:21,600 --> 01:42:23,840
>> There's other departments that use it as

2886
01:42:23,840 --> 01:42:27,280
well. You can only $500,00 I understand

2887
01:42:27,280 --> 01:42:29,679
that $500,000 and you just take the

2888
01:42:29,679 --> 01:42:31,520
proportionate share and you could take

2889
01:42:31,520 --> 01:42:33,280
it out of their enterprise out of their

2890
01:42:33,280 --> 01:42:35,920
unrestricted funds and you could say to

2891
01:42:35,920 --> 01:42:37,440
power company and you would not have to

2892
01:42:37,440 --> 01:42:39,040
do a public hearing and they should pay

2893
01:42:39,040 --> 01:42:40,480
for their proportionate share of the

2894
01:42:40,480 --> 01:42:42,159
fuel island being replaced. Well, I

2895
01:42:42,159 --> 01:42:42,639
think they are

2896
01:42:42,639 --> 01:42:43,920
>> and they are that's already

2897
01:42:43,920 --> 01:42:44,800
incorporated.

2898
01:42:44,800 --> 01:42:46,400
>> And that's all and that's what I've been

2899
01:42:46,400 --> 01:42:48,480
trying to say is let's take that 500,000

2900
01:42:48,480 --> 01:42:51,360
out of the enterprise funds and then use

2901
01:42:51,360 --> 01:42:54,400
the 500,000 that we're talking about

2902
01:42:54,400 --> 01:42:56,159
that we save that you're going to do in

2903
01:42:56,159 --> 01:42:58,000
fund balance

2904
01:42:58,000 --> 01:43:01,360
and use it for paying down

2905
01:43:01,360 --> 01:43:03,840
the

2906
01:43:03,840 --> 01:43:06,159
other the main one. Sure.

2907
01:43:06,159 --> 01:43:09,360
>> And so we're using less taxes to make up

2908
01:43:09,360 --> 01:43:12,800
the 3 million. That's what I'm saying.

2909
01:43:12,800 --> 01:43:13,280
>> Compete.

2910
01:43:13,280 --> 01:43:15,199
>> That is $75,000.

2911
01:43:15,199 --> 01:43:16,560
Yeah. Yes.

2912
01:43:16,560 --> 01:43:18,000
>> 500,000 is what it is.

2913
01:43:18,000 --> 01:43:19,760
>> Not out of general fund.

2914
01:43:19,760 --> 01:43:21,760
>> 500 is spread out.

2915
01:43:21,760 --> 01:43:24,400
>> I I understand. Spread out. I understand

2916
01:43:24,400 --> 01:43:26,800
that. But to buy the fuel island is a

2917
01:43:26,800 --> 01:43:28,320
one-time purchase.

2918
01:43:28,320 --> 01:43:30,320
>> One time. We got to get it done this

2919
01:43:30,320 --> 01:43:30,960
year.

2920
01:43:30,960 --> 01:43:32,880
>> So I do have a question about that. So

2921
01:43:32,880 --> 01:43:36,159
if we bond for a ops center remodel,

2922
01:43:36,159 --> 01:43:37,760
which we've been talk which is included

2923
01:43:37,760 --> 01:43:42,320
in this 21%, right? Um and and we put

2924
01:43:42,320 --> 01:43:44,080
the fuel line in as part of the bond and

2925
01:43:44,080 --> 01:43:45,920
we've got to have this fuel line in by

2926
01:43:45,920 --> 01:43:47,520
December of No,

2927
01:43:47,520 --> 01:43:49,600
>> this year. Next year, this year.

2928
01:43:49,600 --> 01:43:51,119
>> This year. This year.

2929
01:43:51,119 --> 01:43:54,000
>> Um

2930
01:43:54,000 --> 01:43:56,080
but we How soon are we really planning

2931
01:43:56,080 --> 01:43:57,840
on remodeling the op center? That means

2932
01:43:57,840 --> 01:43:59,920
that we would be remodeling it starting

2933
01:43:59,920 --> 01:44:00,800
this year.

2934
01:44:00,800 --> 01:44:02,400
>> Yeah, I think we already have some

2935
01:44:02,400 --> 01:44:05,520
designs works. I think we already have a

2936
01:44:05,520 --> 01:44:08,159
lot of that. So yes, we would start it

2937
01:44:08,159 --> 01:44:09,679
now. One part of that would be the

2938
01:44:09,679 --> 01:44:11,280
>> Okay. I I guess I was just wondering if

2939
01:44:11,280 --> 01:44:12,000
we put that.

2940
01:44:12,000 --> 01:44:14,560
>> So the officer bond payment is in this

2941
01:44:14,560 --> 01:44:15,840
where at which line

2942
01:44:15,840 --> 01:44:17,679
>> capital projects fund balance.

2943
01:44:17,679 --> 01:44:20,159
>> Yeah.

2944
01:44:20,159 --> 01:44:22,320
>> It is not in the truth and taxation. It

2945
01:44:22,320 --> 01:44:24,320
is in this budget.

2946
01:44:24,320 --> 01:44:26,159
>> Oh the truth. Okay.

2947
01:44:26,159 --> 01:44:27,440
>> Not in the truth and taxation.

2948
01:44:27,440 --> 01:44:30,320
>> Truth and taxation is not affected by

2949
01:44:30,320 --> 01:44:31,040
correct.

2950
01:44:31,040 --> 01:44:33,040
>> Right. That's totally separate. at this

2951
01:44:33,040 --> 01:44:36,800
in this fiscal year 27th it is non-

2952
01:44:36,800 --> 01:44:37,840
effective

2953
01:44:37,840 --> 01:44:38,800
>> next year will be

2954
01:44:38,800 --> 01:44:39,520
>> correct

2955
01:44:39,520 --> 01:44:41,280
>> and that's why you look at a projection

2956
01:44:41,280 --> 01:44:42,800
of 30% next year

2957
01:44:42,800 --> 01:44:45,119
>> correct

2958
01:44:45,119 --> 01:44:46,000
>> okay

2959
01:44:46,000 --> 01:44:47,600
>> that plus the fire yes

2960
01:44:47,600 --> 01:44:49,679
>> if the fire station passed that's two

2961
01:44:49,679 --> 01:44:52,239
capital projects in one year that are

2962
01:44:52,239 --> 01:44:55,920
significant so that would be a lot

2963
01:44:55,920 --> 01:44:57,520
>> so okay that being the case I'm just

2964
01:44:57,520 --> 01:44:59,520
wondering

2965
01:44:59,520 --> 01:45:02,480
if the fire station bond

2966
01:45:02,480 --> 01:45:05,679
doesn't pass, I think. Yeah. Okay. Do do

2967
01:45:05,679 --> 01:45:08,080
the bond for the op center next year. If

2968
01:45:08,080 --> 01:45:10,320
the fire station bond does pass, I don't

2969
01:45:10,320 --> 01:45:12,560
think we should do both in the next

2970
01:45:12,560 --> 01:45:15,520
year. So, is there a way to delay that

2971
01:45:15,520 --> 01:45:18,719
operation center bond in this fiscal

2972
01:45:18,719 --> 01:45:21,920
task tax year? Talk about it next year

2973
01:45:21,920 --> 01:45:23,840
after we see if the fire station bond

2974
01:45:23,840 --> 01:45:25,040
passes.

2975
01:45:25,040 --> 01:45:27,280
>> From what? Yes. We just have to do the

2976
01:45:27,280 --> 01:45:29,760
bare minimum 500,000 fuel island from

2977
01:45:29,760 --> 01:45:31,920
what I understand. So, in in that part

2978
01:45:31,920 --> 01:45:34,000
of that discussion is why couldn't we

2979
01:45:34,000 --> 01:45:35,760
just use and I know it's not convenient.

2980
01:45:35,760 --> 01:45:37,600
I talked to Jason about this, but why

2981
01:45:37,600 --> 01:45:39,199
couldn't we at least for one year just

2982
01:45:39,199 --> 01:45:41,760
use the fuel station at the fire station

2983
01:45:41,760 --> 01:45:44,320
and then wait and do both of them at the

2984
01:45:44,320 --> 01:45:46,880
same time in two years, assuming that

2985
01:45:46,880 --> 01:45:49,440
the that the fire station bond doesn't

2986
01:45:49,440 --> 01:45:50,960
pass, right? Then we don't have two more

2987
01:45:50,960 --> 01:45:52,960
bonds out.

2988
01:45:52,960 --> 01:45:53,280
>> We

2989
01:45:53,280 --> 01:45:54,639
>> if that doesn't work at all, you tell

2990
01:45:54,639 --> 01:45:55,040
me.

2991
01:45:55,040 --> 01:45:56,639
>> It'd be really tough to move them big

2992
01:45:56,639 --> 01:45:57,679
old snow plows in.

2993
01:45:57,679 --> 01:45:59,920
>> Is it okay? That's what Jason said. I'm

2994
01:45:59,920 --> 01:46:01,119
just thinking, is there a way to save

2995
01:46:01,119 --> 01:46:01,679
money?

2996
01:46:01,679 --> 01:46:02,560
>> Tough to not be

2997
01:46:02,560 --> 01:46:03,840
>> I just don't think we should have two

2998
01:46:03,840 --> 01:46:05,360
big bonds in the same year.

2999
01:46:05,360 --> 01:46:07,040
>> I agree 100%.

3000
01:46:07,040 --> 01:46:10,480
>> And and I I just don't think that

3001
01:46:10,480 --> 01:46:12,159
>> I just don't think that's a good idea.

3002
01:46:12,159 --> 01:46:13,360
>> Yeah, I agree as well.

3003
01:46:13,360 --> 01:46:14,719
>> So, I think we should wait and see if

3004
01:46:14,719 --> 01:46:17,119
the fire station bond passes this year.

3005
01:46:17,119 --> 01:46:18,960
We'll know in November and then we'll be

3006
01:46:18,960 --> 01:46:21,440
able to put the geo the the bond for the

3007
01:46:21,440 --> 01:46:23,840
op center on next year and know that the

3008
01:46:23,840 --> 01:46:25,360
fire station discussion won't come up

3009
01:46:25,360 --> 01:46:27,760
again for five six years

3010
01:46:27,760 --> 01:46:30,880
>> assuming it doesn't pass though the bond

3011
01:46:30,880 --> 01:46:34,480
is not in this for the shop right

3012
01:46:34,480 --> 01:46:36,719
>> is not in but it's in the budget

3013
01:46:36,719 --> 01:46:37,760
>> correct

3014
01:46:37,760 --> 01:46:39,040
>> under what how's it

3015
01:46:39,040 --> 01:46:43,280
>> capital projects fund balance being paid

3016
01:46:43,280 --> 01:46:44,639
for how

3017
01:46:44,639 --> 01:46:46,800
>> fund balance

3018
01:46:46,800 --> 01:46:48,880
Yes, the unrestricted capital project

3019
01:46:48,880 --> 01:46:50,639
fund mount.

3020
01:46:50,639 --> 01:46:51,760
>> Not general fund balance,

3021
01:46:51,760 --> 01:46:53,600
>> but it would be part of the general fund

3022
01:46:53,600 --> 01:46:54,400
next year.

3023
01:46:54,400 --> 01:46:56,159
>> It is general fund balance.

3024
01:46:56,159 --> 01:46:58,239
>> No, it is not. It is separate. It was

3025
01:46:58,239 --> 01:47:00,400
funded by general fund at one point, but

3026
01:47:00,400 --> 01:47:02,400
it landed in capital projects fund

3027
01:47:02,400 --> 01:47:03,280
balance.

3028
01:47:03,280 --> 01:47:04,719
>> But next year there would be a bond

3029
01:47:04,719 --> 01:47:06,480
payment. So truth and taxation would go

3030
01:47:06,480 --> 01:47:07,520
up for that payment next year.

3031
01:47:07,520 --> 01:47:09,360
>> Where does capital projects fund balance

3032
01:47:09,360 --> 01:47:10,320
come from?

3033
01:47:10,320 --> 01:47:12,400
>> General fund

3034
01:47:12,400 --> 01:47:13,520
>> money. So in order

3035
01:47:13,520 --> 01:47:15,440
>> a transfer.

3036
01:47:15,440 --> 01:47:16,880
>> Okay.

3037
01:47:16,880 --> 01:47:18,800
>> So in order to put money there, you have

3038
01:47:18,800 --> 01:47:20,320
to take it out of the general fund. So

3039
01:47:20,320 --> 01:47:22,880
it's part of the expenditures. Okay.

3040
01:47:22,880 --> 01:47:25,440
>> So it's part of the expenditures. So if

3041
01:47:25,440 --> 01:47:27,119
you did get a bond, it's part of the

3042
01:47:27,119 --> 01:47:29,360
expenditures and it would be yeartoear.

3043
01:47:29,360 --> 01:47:31,119
>> And so somehow you'd have to transfer

3044
01:47:31,119 --> 01:47:33,760
money from the general fund revenues

3045
01:47:33,760 --> 01:47:37,760
into that to pay that bond down. Correct

3046
01:47:37,760 --> 01:47:38,960
or not?

3047
01:47:38,960 --> 01:47:40,239
>> That is correct.

3048
01:47:40,239 --> 01:47:41,679
>> Okay. That's

3049
01:47:41,679 --> 01:47:45,280
>> but in fiscal year 27 I have proposed

3050
01:47:45,280 --> 01:47:48,159
capital projects fund balance. So the

3051
01:47:48,159 --> 01:47:50,560
Bob center bond payment is not coming

3052
01:47:50,560 --> 01:47:53,840
out of a truth and taxation increase

3053
01:47:53,840 --> 01:47:56,000
>> still being through fund balance

3054
01:47:56,000 --> 01:47:57,920
>> but then next year it will be and moving

3055
01:47:57,920 --> 01:48:00,320
on the bond payment will come out

3056
01:48:00,320 --> 01:48:02,960
>> until it's paid off

3057
01:48:02,960 --> 01:48:04,800
come back out of general fund which we

3058
01:48:04,800 --> 01:48:05,360
don't have.

3059
01:48:05,360 --> 01:48:06,560
>> Right. That's what I'm saying. So I

3060
01:48:06,560 --> 01:48:08,080
don't think we should have them both on

3061
01:48:08,080 --> 01:48:09,119
at the same time. Yeah,

3062
01:48:09,119 --> 01:48:10,880
>> these ratios don't make sense to me.

3063
01:48:10,880 --> 01:48:11,679
>> Okay,

3064
01:48:11,679 --> 01:48:16,320
>> so the 1 is Oh, maybe the 1.795

3065
01:48:16,320 --> 01:48:20,159
251 isn't changing as we change stuff.

3066
01:48:20,159 --> 01:48:21,840
>> Be that top one. You're talking about

3067
01:48:21,840 --> 01:48:22,719
the bolded one.

3068
01:48:22,719 --> 01:48:23,280
>> Uhhuh.

3069
01:48:23,280 --> 01:48:24,639
>> That's just the start.

3070
01:48:24,639 --> 01:48:26,880
>> That was a proposal. Sorry.

3071
01:48:26,880 --> 01:48:28,880
>> The line [clears throat]

3072
01:48:28,880 --> 01:48:30,159
now with everything you talked about

3073
01:48:30,159 --> 01:48:31,520
now, it's the 1.2.

3074
01:48:31,520 --> 01:48:33,040
>> I didn't realize that wasn't showing. I

3075
01:48:33,040 --> 01:48:33,600
apologize.

3076
01:48:33,600 --> 01:48:35,760
>> You're good. That's helpful for me cuz I

3077
01:48:35,760 --> 01:48:36,560
was like, wait,

3078
01:48:36,560 --> 01:48:38,159
>> that's really delayed. How how does

3079
01:48:38,159 --> 01:48:39,760
everyone feel about that?

3080
01:48:39,760 --> 01:48:41,040
>> How does everybody feel about

3081
01:48:41,040 --> 01:48:43,440
>> having potentially two bonds at the same

3082
01:48:43,440 --> 01:48:45,119
time? So, if the fire station bond

3083
01:48:45,119 --> 01:48:47,600
passes next year, we would have that and

3084
01:48:47,600 --> 01:48:49,119
we would also have the bond for the fire

3085
01:48:49,119 --> 01:48:51,040
station the the off center because we

3086
01:48:51,040 --> 01:48:52,480
would have agreed to it this year.

3087
01:48:52,480 --> 01:48:54,080
>> Probably looking at a bigger b bigger

3088
01:48:54,080 --> 01:48:55,280
tax increase than yard.

3089
01:48:55,280 --> 01:48:56,159
>> That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm

3090
01:48:56,159 --> 01:48:57,760
saying. So, we just do one or the other.

3091
01:48:57,760 --> 01:48:59,199
>> Yeah, that's what I'm saying. So, are we

3092
01:48:59,199 --> 01:49:00,560
comfortable with that? That would mean

3093
01:49:00,560 --> 01:49:03,440
that we would remove the openter out of

3094
01:49:03,440 --> 01:49:04,960
this fiscal year.

3095
01:49:04,960 --> 01:49:05,360
>> Yes.

3096
01:49:05,360 --> 01:49:07,440
>> Calculation. Boy, that's really

3097
01:49:07,440 --> 01:49:10,080
>> So Jason, I'm curious to hear from you

3098
01:49:10,080 --> 01:49:13,280
like on this because I hate putting off

3099
01:49:13,280 --> 01:49:16,080
the op center, but I think we're kind of

3100
01:49:16,080 --> 01:49:19,760
found ourselves in a predicament here,

3101
01:49:19,760 --> 01:49:22,560
fire station and the op center. So if

3102
01:49:22,560 --> 01:49:25,280
the fire station passes, then we'll have

3103
01:49:25,280 --> 01:49:27,920
that bond. If does that mean that we

3104
01:49:27,920 --> 01:49:30,159
don't want to do the bonds for the op

3105
01:49:30,159 --> 01:49:31,440
center the next year because we will

3106
01:49:31,440 --> 01:49:33,119
have had the fire station bond in. How

3107
01:49:33,119 --> 01:49:37,199
far do we push off the fire the officer?

3108
01:49:37,199 --> 01:49:39,360
>> I would think until the um police

3109
01:49:39,360 --> 01:49:40,320
station is paid off.

3110
01:49:40,320 --> 01:49:41,360
>> Until how long?

3111
01:49:41,360 --> 01:49:44,159
>> Till the police station.

3112
01:49:44,159 --> 01:49:45,119
>> Oh, 2032.

3113
01:49:45,119 --> 01:49:45,520
>> Whoa.

3114
01:49:45,520 --> 01:49:47,840
>> How does that for the op center? And

3115
01:49:47,840 --> 01:49:50,000
>> I mean that would mean we would just

3116
01:49:50,000 --> 01:49:52,960
>> last payment. So 2032 budget wouldn't

3117
01:49:52,960 --> 01:49:54,159
have that payment in it,

3118
01:49:54,159 --> 01:49:54,639
>> right?

3119
01:49:54,639 --> 01:49:55,600
>> Okay.

3120
01:49:55,600 --> 01:49:58,239
>> I mean, believe me, I would love the

3121
01:49:58,239 --> 01:50:00,000
city to have everything nice. I get

3122
01:50:00,000 --> 01:50:02,400
that. I really do. At the same time,

3123
01:50:02,400 --> 01:50:05,520
that is a lot. And I think it will be an

3124
01:50:05,520 --> 01:50:09,600
east west sort of conversation

3125
01:50:09,600 --> 01:50:12,159
on on the bond for the fire station. I

3126
01:50:12,159 --> 01:50:14,960
do hope it passes. I think we I would be

3127
01:50:14,960 --> 01:50:17,119
great if the citizens voted for that,

3128
01:50:17,119 --> 01:50:20,159
but to have two

3129
01:50:20,159 --> 01:50:21,760
>> That's a lot of money.

3130
01:50:21,760 --> 01:50:22,560
>> It's a lot of money.

3131
01:50:22,560 --> 01:50:23,600
>> It's a lot of bonds.

3132
01:50:23,600 --> 01:50:24,480
>> It's a lot of money

3133
01:50:24,480 --> 01:50:27,600
>> at one time. It is a huge tax increase.

3134
01:50:27,600 --> 01:50:29,920
>> Yeah. Well, the vast the vast majority

3135
01:50:29,920 --> 01:50:31,600
of that one is enterprise fund though.

3136
01:50:31,600 --> 01:50:33,280
It's enterprise and I mean

3137
01:50:33,280 --> 01:50:34,719
>> you said it will come out of this

3138
01:50:34,719 --> 01:50:36,960
general fund next the payment will start

3139
01:50:36,960 --> 01:50:39,440
not this year but next year unless I'm

3140
01:50:39,440 --> 01:50:40,320
misunderstanding you

3141
01:50:40,320 --> 01:50:41,760
>> yes for for

3142
01:50:41,760 --> 01:50:43,679
>> 67 yeah 60,000

3143
01:50:43,679 --> 01:50:46,159
>> only $67,0007

3144
01:50:46,159 --> 01:50:47,600
and that's one of the things that if we

3145
01:50:47,600 --> 01:50:49,520
were to change it if we were to change

3146
01:50:49,520 --> 01:50:52,560
it so essentially they have the pay the

3147
01:50:52,560 --> 01:50:55,760
payment for the op center is mostly

3148
01:50:55,760 --> 01:50:59,360
coming out of the enterprise funds so I

3149
01:50:59,360 --> 01:51:02,000
yeah I kind of I would probably just

3150
01:51:02,000 --> 01:51:04,639
like I would probably say

3151
01:51:04,639 --> 01:51:10,880
in that like it's back to like the prop Five like you know if we we're not

3152
01:51:10,880 --> 01:51:12,880
we're using the money to help the power

3153
01:51:12,880 --> 01:51:14,880
company that's that's money that they

3154
01:51:14,880 --> 01:51:20,800
have. I think we should stick with what we've got with the OPC center.

3155
01:51:20,800 --> 01:51:23,840
But I do like the idea of even even that

3156
01:51:23,840 --> 01:51:27,119
67,000 I like moving it like so that the

3157
01:51:27,119 --> 01:51:32,080
whole thing is being paid through that fund. I don't think that we

3158
01:51:32,080 --> 01:51:34,239
should be paying for 67,000 of it

3159
01:51:34,239 --> 01:51:35,520
through the other funds.

3160
01:51:35,520 --> 01:51:37,199
>> Okay. That being the case, we would

3161
01:51:37,199 --> 01:51:39,280
still have two two more bonds. That's my

3162
01:51:39,280 --> 01:51:40,960
point. It's still debt to the city.

3163
01:51:40,960 --> 01:51:42,080
>> It's still debt.

3164
01:51:42,080 --> 01:51:42,480
>> Yes.

3165
01:51:42,480 --> 01:51:44,320
>> So So you know, just be mindful of that.

3166
01:51:44,320 --> 01:51:45,520
It is still debt to the city,

3167
01:51:45,520 --> 01:51:48,000
>> but we can pay for it. We projected to

3168
01:51:48,000 --> 01:51:49,440
be able to pay for it, right?

3169
01:51:49,440 --> 01:51:52,080
>> Yeah. And and in I mean just to be

3170
01:51:52,080 --> 01:51:54,480
devil's advocate in the grand scheme of

3171
01:51:54,480 --> 01:51:56,239
debt we don't have

3172
01:51:56,239 --> 01:51:59,040
>> that much and the auditor themselves

3173
01:51:59,040 --> 01:52:00,560
this last December said

3174
01:52:00,560 --> 01:52:01,360
>> get more

3175
01:52:01,360 --> 01:52:04,159
>> debt isn't basically

3176
01:52:04,159 --> 01:52:06,239
>> debt isn't bad to be able to do projects

3177
01:52:06,239 --> 01:52:09,599
and move forward and and create

3178
01:52:09,599 --> 01:52:11,760
>> a better environment for employees to

3179
01:52:11,760 --> 01:52:14,159
work and and create that you know

3180
01:52:14,159 --> 01:52:15,520
provide better services.

3181
01:52:15,520 --> 01:52:18,320
>> Okay. And while those bonds do come due

3182
01:52:18,320 --> 01:52:21,360
soon, uh get retired soon. 2031 for the

3183
01:52:21,360 --> 01:52:22,880
police station

3184
01:52:22,880 --> 01:52:26,560
>> is soon. Uh I also worry that you know

3185
01:52:26,560 --> 01:52:28,400
those costs also only go up. We see

3186
01:52:28,400 --> 01:52:30,719
construction costs just holy cow 5 years

3187
01:52:30,719 --> 01:52:32,080
ago we should have built that you know

3188
01:52:32,080 --> 01:52:34,719
but I fear that if we hold hold off on

3189
01:52:34,719 --> 01:52:36,800
the power or the op center for five more

3190
01:52:36,800 --> 01:52:38,719
years we're looking at a lot more

3191
01:52:38,719 --> 01:52:41,199
expensive project at that point. So you

3192
01:52:41,199 --> 01:52:43,840
know there's there's pluses and minuses

3193
01:52:43,840 --> 01:52:46,239
for sure. PE things being open to the

3194
01:52:46,239 --> 01:52:48,239
elements and like it's just wearing on

3195
01:52:48,239 --> 01:52:50,080
our equipment and all those things.

3196
01:52:50,080 --> 01:52:51,679
>> So could we commit that that payment

3197
01:52:51,679 --> 01:52:54,960
that 67,000 whatever that comes out of

3198
01:52:54,960 --> 01:52:56,880
the enterprise fund and not the general

3199
01:52:56,880 --> 01:52:57,599
fund

3200
01:52:57,599 --> 01:52:59,760
>> for the payment

3201
01:52:59,760 --> 01:53:01,760
>> so that it doesn't affect our tax

3202
01:53:01,760 --> 01:53:03,679
increase next year

3203
01:53:03,679 --> 01:53:05,599
>> and and be bigger. I know it's not that

3204
01:53:05,599 --> 01:53:07,440
much bigger but and increase

3205
01:53:07,440 --> 01:53:08,719
>> and we can figure out how to split it.

3206
01:53:08,719 --> 01:53:10,320
>> We can figure out how to split that.

3207
01:53:10,320 --> 01:53:12,320
>> It'll probably increase. I'm sorry. Go

3208
01:53:12,320 --> 01:53:14,080
ahead. No, I was just going to say I

3209
01:53:14,080 --> 01:53:18,639
mean the way the way we came up with the bond schedule was was working with

3210
01:53:18,639 --> 01:53:20,159
department heads to figure out what

3211
01:53:20,159 --> 01:53:22,239
their usage is between different funds.

3212
01:53:22,239 --> 01:53:22,639
>> Okay.

3213
01:53:22,639 --> 01:53:24,639
>> And so yeah, that was the portion that

3214
01:53:24,639 --> 01:53:26,719
was general fund the 67,000

3215
01:53:26,719 --> 01:53:28,400
>> which is parks mechanics. Yeah.

3216
01:53:28,400 --> 01:53:30,560
>> Right. And so yeah, we could change it,

3217
01:53:30,560 --> 01:53:32,639
but we're also I don't know

3218
01:53:32,639 --> 01:53:34,320
>> that would change enterprise to increase

3219
01:53:34,320 --> 01:53:35,599
those rates a little bit.

3220
01:53:35,599 --> 01:53:37,119
>> That's what I was going to ask. That

3221
01:53:37,119 --> 01:53:38,239
increase those rates.

3222
01:53:38,239 --> 01:53:41,199
>> Yes. But divide it across the five other

3223
01:53:41,199 --> 01:53:42,960
funds that there are. Power, water,

3224
01:53:42,960 --> 01:53:43,280
road.

3225
01:53:43,280 --> 01:53:45,040
>> It's not going to be huge.

3226
01:53:45,040 --> 01:53:47,280
>> Right. Okay. I I would prefer that. That

3227
01:53:47,280 --> 01:53:48,960
would just be my vote. Great. Figure

3228
01:53:48,960 --> 01:53:49,840
that out.

3229
01:53:49,840 --> 01:53:52,080
>> So, leave it in this budget, but take it

3230
01:53:52,080 --> 01:53:53,520
out. General fund.

3231
01:53:53,520 --> 01:53:54,000
>> Yes.

3232
01:53:54,000 --> 01:53:54,719
>> Right.

3233
01:53:54,719 --> 01:53:56,000
>> That would be my vote. What do you guys

3234
01:53:56,000 --> 01:53:56,480
all think?

3235
01:53:56,480 --> 01:53:59,360
>> I would approve that.

3236
01:53:59,360 --> 01:54:01,360
>> I We're also all going to have to admit

3237
01:54:01,360 --> 01:54:02,960
to ourselves that we're not going to be

3238
01:54:02,960 --> 01:54:04,000
able to

3239
01:54:04,000 --> 01:54:06,159
>> say, "Hey, lower rates." Well, no, we

3240
01:54:06,159 --> 01:54:07,520
need lower rates. Like, we can't raise

3241
01:54:07,520 --> 01:54:08,880
rates. Like if we're going to move this

3242
01:54:08,880 --> 01:54:11,360
into those into those funds, we're going

3243
01:54:11,360 --> 01:54:12,880
to have to pay for it with those funds

3244
01:54:12,880 --> 01:54:14,639
and not dip into those funds fund

3245
01:54:14,639 --> 01:54:15,920
balances.

3246
01:54:15,920 --> 01:54:19,199
>> Mhm. Or or accommodation, right? Sure.

3247
01:54:19,199 --> 01:54:20,560
>> There are 100 ways it's going to cap.

3248
01:54:20,560 --> 01:54:22,000
I'll say that multiple times.

3249
01:54:22,000 --> 01:54:24,479
>> I just mean it would be irresponsible

3250
01:54:24,479 --> 01:54:25,599
[clears throat] to move it over and then

3251
01:54:25,599 --> 01:54:27,679
plan to take it out of that that fund

3252
01:54:27,679 --> 01:54:29,280
balance and say, "Oh, no. Oh, we don't

3253
01:54:29,280 --> 01:54:31,520
want to raise rates this year, so yes,

3254
01:54:31,520 --> 01:54:33,599
>> so let's not correct." You know, I think

3255
01:54:33,599 --> 01:54:35,040
we're going to it otherwise we're going

3256
01:54:35,040 --> 01:54:37,280
to be robbing Peter Pay, whatever that

3257
01:54:37,280 --> 01:54:37,760
phrase is.

3258
01:54:37,760 --> 01:54:39,920
>> Yes, there'll be a delicate dance there.

3259
01:54:39,920 --> 01:54:42,719
>> It will in theory pay for itself

3260
01:54:42,719 --> 01:54:45,679
>> 100% generated from those entities

3261
01:54:45,679 --> 01:54:48,320
>> and and the positive morale and the

3262
01:54:48,320 --> 01:54:50,960
equipment being saved and all of that

3263
01:54:50,960 --> 01:54:51,760
like

3264
01:54:51,760 --> 01:54:52,880
>> you can't put a number on it.

3265
01:54:52,880 --> 01:54:54,239
>> There there's Yeah, there's immediate

3266
01:54:54,239 --> 01:54:58,320
benefits financially to us uh by saving

3267
01:54:58,320 --> 01:55:01,040
equipment. Also, it's not like we don't

3268
01:55:01,040 --> 01:55:03,119
have other major projects coming up down

3269
01:55:03,119 --> 01:55:04,960
the road with those enterprise funds. I

3270
01:55:04,960 --> 01:55:07,440
mean, we got a big water tank. You know,

3271
01:55:07,440 --> 01:55:08,400
we've got other things that we're going

3272
01:55:08,400 --> 01:55:10,639
to have to bond for as well. So, I'd say

3273
01:55:10,639 --> 01:55:12,400
the sooner we just start tackling what's

3274
01:55:12,400 --> 01:55:14,000
in front of us and then we'll get that

3275
01:55:14,000 --> 01:55:16,480
done and then move on to the next

3276
01:55:16,480 --> 01:55:18,159
projects in the enterprise funds down

3277
01:55:18,159 --> 01:55:19,040
the road.

3278
01:55:19,040 --> 01:55:20,239
>> You've convinced me, Jason.

3279
01:55:20,239 --> 01:55:20,960
>> So, keep you both.

3280
01:55:20,960 --> 01:55:21,280
>> Good job.

3281
01:55:21,280 --> 01:55:23,119
>> You

3282
01:55:23,119 --> 01:55:25,840
convinced me as well. So, I want to add

3283
01:55:25,840 --> 01:55:28,639
one other thing. I know today's I don't

3284
01:55:28,639 --> 01:55:30,239
think today's discussion necessarily

3285
01:55:30,239 --> 01:55:33,520
should be enterprise but we are separate

3286
01:55:33,520 --> 01:55:37,360
we are you know we're we're conscious of

3287
01:55:37,360 --> 01:55:39,760
all the or all all the different rates.

3288
01:55:39,760 --> 01:55:42,480
>> So if you remember we are our plan is to

3289
01:55:42,480 --> 01:55:44,239
delay water paying their portion

3290
01:55:44,239 --> 01:55:46,960
anyways. So I think I think the goal is

3291
01:55:46,960 --> 01:55:48,639
we're we're trying to be creative as we

3292
01:55:48,639 --> 01:55:49,679
can be.

3293
01:55:49,679 --> 01:55:52,800
>> So I think I think to your point moving

3294
01:55:52,800 --> 01:55:55,440
>> moving the general fund portion again

3295
01:55:55,440 --> 01:55:57,760
that's doable. we can do that.

3296
01:55:57,760 --> 01:55:59,440
>> Um, it's just

3297
01:55:59,440 --> 01:56:01,280
>> Yeah. Anyway, that's how we came. That's

3298
01:56:01,280 --> 01:56:03,280
how we created this budget is

3299
01:56:03,280 --> 01:56:05,360
>> by Yeah,

3300
01:56:05,360 --> 01:56:10,149
>> we appreciate the efforts that

3301
01:56:10,159 --> 01:56:11,840
» and I appreciate this discussion

3302
01:56:11,840 --> 01:56:12,800
>> talking general fund.

3303
01:56:12,800 --> 01:56:13,199
>> Great.

3304
01:56:13,199 --> 01:56:14,159
>> Multiple questions

3305
01:56:14,159 --> 01:56:16,960
>> and um

3306
01:56:16,960 --> 01:56:19,280
>> since we're supposed to adopt a budget

3307
01:56:19,280 --> 01:56:20,560
on Thursday which

3308
01:56:20,560 --> 01:56:21,199
>> tentative

3309
01:56:21,199 --> 01:56:24,719
>> I haven't seen one yet on Thursday.

3310
01:56:24,719 --> 01:56:26,239
>> You'll see it Thursday.

3311
01:56:26,239 --> 01:56:27,360
or tomorrow,

3312
01:56:27,360 --> 01:56:29,840
>> but we're adopting it before we actually

3313
01:56:29,840 --> 01:56:31,280
have time to go through it. We're just

3314
01:56:31,280 --> 01:56:33,920
adopting it.

3315
01:56:33,920 --> 01:56:35,679
>> But tell me,

3316
01:56:35,679 --> 01:56:38,320
>> what is our general fund expenditures in

3317
01:56:38,320 --> 01:56:41,520
the 2027 budget? What is that line item?

3318
01:56:41,520 --> 01:56:43,679
>> 26,86

3319
01:56:43,679 --> 01:56:46,320
>> 26,800,000,000.

3320
01:56:46,320 --> 01:56:47,840
>> 26,800,000.

3321
01:56:47,840 --> 01:56:51,119
So, it's actually gone up from last year

3322
01:56:51,119 --> 01:56:53,760
>> about 700,000. Well, last year's was

3323
01:56:53,760 --> 01:56:57,270
26,672,000.

3324
01:56:57,280 --> 01:56:59,599
So, you're saying it's going up to 26

3325
01:56:59,599 --> 01:57:01,920
million now? I'm only going off what you

3326
01:57:01,920 --> 01:57:02,480
guys had.

3327
01:57:02,480 --> 01:57:04,480
>> No, that's what we're looking at, too.

3328
01:57:04,480 --> 01:57:06,239
>> So, that's 688.

3329
01:57:06,239 --> 01:57:08,239
>> Basically, I guess where I'm really

3330
01:57:08,239 --> 01:57:12,159
concerned, and this is what I

3331
01:57:12,159 --> 01:57:15,440
is in 2023, our general fund

3332
01:57:15,440 --> 01:57:18,560
expenditures were 21,300,000

3333
01:57:18,560 --> 01:57:20,960
and now they're going to be 26 million.

3334
01:57:20,960 --> 01:57:22,320
How much?

3335
01:57:22,320 --> 01:57:24,239
26,800

3336
01:57:24,239 --> 01:57:26,080
>> 26,800,000.

3337
01:57:26,080 --> 01:57:27,840
So they're basically going to go up

3338
01:57:27,840 --> 01:57:30,239
about

3339
01:57:30,239 --> 01:57:31,920
>> 4 and a.5 million

3340
01:57:31,920 --> 01:57:33,599
>> in in five years.

3341
01:57:33,599 --> 01:57:34,480
>> 5 years

3342
01:57:34,480 --> 01:57:35,679
>> and three of those years were

3343
01:57:35,679 --> 01:57:38,560
unprecedented inflation from 202.

3344
01:57:38,560 --> 01:57:41,599
>> This was 2023. Inflation was in 2022.

3345
01:57:41,599 --> 01:57:43,920
>> I know. But a lot of that is a lag.

3346
01:57:43,920 --> 01:57:45,760
>> A lot of that is a lag on our budgets.

3347
01:57:45,760 --> 01:57:46,480
And that was

3348
01:57:46,480 --> 01:57:50,239
>> I think it went 8% 4% 2 and 1/2 2 and

3349
01:57:50,239 --> 01:57:51,199
1/2

3350
01:57:51,199 --> 01:57:52,400
>> is about.

3351
01:57:52,400 --> 01:57:54,639
>> So that's every that's everything. We're

3352
01:57:54,639 --> 01:57:56,320
not buying milk and bread. We're buying

3353
01:57:56,320 --> 01:57:57,520
fuel.

3354
01:57:57,520 --> 01:58:01,760
>> But but it goes back to my issue of

3355
01:58:01,760 --> 01:58:05,360
>> we're only still collecting in revenue

3356
01:58:05,360 --> 01:58:08,719
the 20 Well, my what's the revenue?

3357
01:58:08,719 --> 01:58:11,280
is like 22 million. We're

3358
01:58:11,280 --> 01:58:13,520
collecting 22 million in revenue, but

3359
01:58:13,520 --> 01:58:16,480
we're spending 26 million. There's a $4

3360
01:58:16,480 --> 01:58:19,840
million gap there. That's That's where

3361
01:58:19,840 --> 01:58:22,320
I'm concerned. And that's what I keep.

3362
01:58:22,320 --> 01:58:24,320
We're just not fixing it. I want to I

3363
01:58:24,320 --> 01:58:25,840
want to know what the four What's the

3364
01:58:25,840 --> 01:58:28,080
two, three, fouryear plan to

3365
01:58:28,080 --> 01:58:31,599
>> I think is it a 20% tax increase for the

3366
01:58:31,599 --> 01:58:35,030
next four years?

3367
01:58:35,040 --> 01:58:36,880
» I think we need to. Yeah.

3368
01:58:36,880 --> 01:58:39,280
>> Is there anyone? Okay. And I just want

3369
01:58:39,280 --> 01:58:41,520
to point out that

3370
01:58:41,520 --> 01:58:43,280
>> what what you're looking at on there

3371
01:58:43,280 --> 01:58:46,480
those those first couple years 2023 2024

3372
01:58:46,480 --> 01:58:49,599
those are actuals too right from our act

3373
01:58:49,599 --> 01:58:50,639
>> and so

3374
01:58:50,639 --> 01:58:53,040
>> I got all those with me the actuals

3375
01:58:53,040 --> 01:58:55,119
>> and if you remember last year we had

3376
01:58:55,119 --> 01:58:59,280
like a I don't know we had we've been

3377
01:58:59,280 --> 01:59:02,320
pointed out we had a $700,000

3378
01:59:02,320 --> 01:59:03,920
difference in what we had budgeted

3379
01:59:03,920 --> 01:59:06,960
versus where we ended up landing. And so

3380
01:59:06,960 --> 01:59:08,400
this this number you're seeing this

3381
01:59:08,400 --> 01:59:13,589
year, the 26 it's 26,784,159

3382
01:59:13,599 --> 01:59:21,199
that's also that's also we budgeted much closer to actual. Um and so and so

3383
01:59:21,199 --> 01:59:25,199
in 2025 our revenues was 22.4 million.

3384
01:59:25,199 --> 01:59:28,320
So are you saying in 2026 we're going to

3385
01:59:28,320 --> 01:59:30,560
get a lot more in our general fund

3386
01:59:30,560 --> 01:59:31,599
revenues

3387
01:59:31,599 --> 01:59:34,080
>> or are we looking at a $4 million gap,

3388
01:59:34,080 --> 01:59:36,719
$3 million gap? He's saying 2026 still

3389
01:59:36,719 --> 01:59:39,440
has that insurance,

3390
01:59:39,440 --> 01:59:40,320
>> right?

3391
01:59:40,320 --> 01:59:43,199
>> I don't want to call it fluff uh space

3392
01:59:43,199 --> 01:59:45,119
where everyone was budgeted a family

3393
01:59:45,119 --> 01:59:48,560
plan. So remember how last year we were

3394
01:59:48,560 --> 01:59:50,560
like ah fiscal year 25 we used a bunch

3395
01:59:50,560 --> 01:59:52,480
of fund balance and it was only like

3396
01:59:52,480 --> 01:59:54,480
less than 200,000.

3397
01:59:54,480 --> 01:59:56,560
I think we'll see that in fiscal year 26

3398
01:59:56,560 --> 01:59:57,440
as well.

3399
01:59:57,440 --> 01:59:59,199
>> You've already account you've already

3400
01:59:59,199 --> 02:00:00,880
accounted for that or you haven't yet.

3401
02:00:00,880 --> 02:00:02,480
>> I have not because I don't know what

3402
02:00:02,480 --> 02:00:05,040
it'll be. When does those numbers occur?

3403
02:00:05,040 --> 02:00:05,920
>> After our audit.

3404
02:00:05,920 --> 02:00:08,000
>> Audit is you between September and

3405
02:00:08,000 --> 02:00:08,719
November.

3406
02:00:08,719 --> 02:00:09,520
>> Yep.

3407
02:00:09,520 --> 02:00:11,920
>> Yeah. Cuz I mean you we had budgeted 24

3408
02:00:11,920 --> 02:00:15,360
million as expenditures in 2025, but

3409
02:00:15,360 --> 02:00:17,760
actual was 23,100,000.

3410
02:00:17,760 --> 02:00:19,599
I imagine we're going to see something

3411
02:00:19,599 --> 02:00:21,760
relatively somewhere similar to that.

3412
02:00:21,760 --> 02:00:22,960
I'm hoping.

3413
02:00:22,960 --> 02:00:25,599
>> But it's just I'm concerned that we keep

3414
02:00:25,599 --> 02:00:28,080
going up a million dollars every year,

3415
02:00:28,080 --> 02:00:30,000
but our revenues aren't even coming

3416
02:00:30,000 --> 02:00:32,560
close to catching up with it. So, we're

3417
02:00:32,560 --> 02:00:34,880
going to do a tax increase.

3418
02:00:34,880 --> 02:00:36,639
>> So, how much are how much how much are

3419
02:00:36,639 --> 02:00:38,719
you covering this year? Because I guess

3420
02:00:38,719 --> 02:00:41,040
the advantage of covering

3421
02:00:41,040 --> 02:00:44,880
>> some of this increase with uh with

3422
02:00:44,880 --> 02:00:49,119
general fund I mean uh fund balance

3423
02:00:49,119 --> 02:00:52,639
uh is somewhat banking on the fact that

3424
02:00:52,639 --> 02:00:55,040
we might be off by a million bucks.

3425
02:00:55,040 --> 02:00:57,920
>> Mhm. And that'll cover

3426
02:00:57,920 --> 02:00:59,679
>> and I don't have that in this one

3427
02:00:59,679 --> 02:01:01,599
because I didn't want to make that

3428
02:01:01,599 --> 02:01:04,000
assumption and and

3429
02:01:04,000 --> 02:01:05,040
>> Yeah.

3430
02:01:05,040 --> 02:01:06,960
>> But this is So you're you're saying

3431
02:01:06,960 --> 02:01:10,480
we're we're putting 991.

3432
02:01:10,480 --> 02:01:11,119
>> Mhm.

3433
02:01:11,119 --> 02:01:14,480
>> It you know from that but last year we

3434
02:01:14,480 --> 02:01:18,000
were off by how much? A million or more

3435
02:01:18,000 --> 02:01:19,520
than a million?

3436
02:01:19,520 --> 02:01:21,040
>> How many is that much?

3437
02:01:21,040 --> 02:01:23,199
>> There's 900,000.

3438
02:01:23,199 --> 02:01:23,440
Yeah,

3439
02:01:23,440 --> 02:01:25,760
>> we were off by like 900,000.

3440
02:01:25,760 --> 02:01:26,239
>> Mhm.

3441
02:01:26,239 --> 02:01:29,840
>> So, you know, that it may end up being

3442
02:01:29,840 --> 02:01:31,920
>> I mean, conservatively, yeah,

3443
02:01:31,920 --> 02:01:34,239
>> it might end up being a wash.

3444
02:01:34,239 --> 02:01:36,960
>> Will you show us the um the price per

3445
02:01:36,960 --> 02:01:38,080
household again?

3446
02:01:38,080 --> 02:01:38,400
>> Yes.

3447
02:01:38,400 --> 02:01:40,320
>> Dollar amount based upon what we've just

3448
02:01:40,320 --> 02:01:42,159
done,

3449
02:01:42,159 --> 02:01:44,400
>> the conversation we've just had. Okay.

3450
02:01:44,400 --> 02:01:46,560
So, I take a picture of it.

3451
02:01:46,560 --> 02:01:49,199
Sorry, I don't

3452
02:01:49,199 --> 02:01:52,000
>> I should just not extend it and

3453
02:01:52,000 --> 02:01:53,599
duplicate it now.

3454
02:01:53,599 --> 02:01:57,280
>> Do you control the routine?

3455
02:01:57,280 --> 02:02:00,159
>> I also request HDMI

3456
02:02:00,159 --> 02:02:03,360
with the screen

3457
02:02:03,360 --> 02:02:05,119
>> since 1997.

3458
02:02:05,119 --> 02:02:08,159
>> Yeah. Let me just um

3459
02:02:08,159 --> 02:02:10,480
>> Oh. Uh are you going to leave that

3460
02:02:10,480 --> 02:02:12,080
screen now?

3461
02:02:12,080 --> 02:02:14,239
I'm just going to duplicate instead of

3462
02:02:14,239 --> 02:02:19,750
playing in the double game situation.

3463
02:02:19,760 --> 02:02:22,080
» So when was the big inflation that we're

3464
02:02:22,080 --> 02:02:24,800
talking about? You said 2022, right?

3465
02:02:24,800 --> 02:02:26,960
>> 21 22 23 the red box.

3466
02:02:26,960 --> 02:02:29,040
>> Okay. So I think it's fair

3467
02:02:29,040 --> 02:02:32,719
>> that even though we're calculating uh

3468
02:02:32,719 --> 02:02:35,440
it's been brought up from 2023 on, we

3469
02:02:35,440 --> 02:02:37,440
during those massive inflation things,

3470
02:02:37,440 --> 02:02:40,080
our rate went down quite a bit. So, it's

3471
02:02:40,080 --> 02:02:41,520
almost like we're playing catch-up.

3472
02:02:41,520 --> 02:02:42,639
Yeah.

3473
02:02:42,639 --> 02:02:45,119
>> But you understand because the valuation

3474
02:02:45,119 --> 02:02:47,280
of the houses go up with inflation, the

3475
02:02:47,280 --> 02:02:49,360
valuations go up, the tax rate goes

3476
02:02:49,360 --> 02:02:51,440
down. It still generates the same amount

3477
02:02:51,440 --> 02:02:54,239
of revenue. You just times it by a a

3478
02:02:54,239 --> 02:02:55,520
lower number,

3479
02:02:55,520 --> 02:02:57,360
>> right? And she's saying it,

3480
02:02:57,360 --> 02:03:00,080
>> but I'm saying inflation went up and the

3481
02:03:00,080 --> 02:03:01,840
amount we were capturing either stayed

3482
02:03:01,840 --> 02:03:02,400
the same,

3483
02:03:02,400 --> 02:03:04,000
>> stayed exactly the same.

3484
02:03:04,000 --> 02:03:05,920
>> It did not go up with inflation during

3485
02:03:05,920 --> 02:03:07,920
those years. What I'm trying to increase

3486
02:03:07,920 --> 02:03:08,320
at that time,

3487
02:03:08,320 --> 02:03:10,400
>> correct? Unless we did well but

3488
02:03:10,400 --> 02:03:12,880
obviously not a massive one increase for

3489
02:03:12,880 --> 02:03:14,719
the firefighters and stuff,

3490
02:03:14,719 --> 02:03:17,655
>> right? But not a huge one is

3491
02:03:17,655 --> 02:03:19,520
[clears throat] because the rate I

3492
02:03:19,520 --> 02:03:20,960
understand the rate and the amount we're

3493
02:03:20,960 --> 02:03:23,840
collecting are different but that amount

3494
02:03:23,840 --> 02:03:25,920
collected does not look like it's going

3495
02:03:25,920 --> 02:03:27,440
to cover the inflation that we

3496
02:03:27,440 --> 02:03:29,040
experienced during that time and we're

3497
02:03:29,040 --> 02:03:30,480
still playing catch-up I think is what

3498
02:03:30,480 --> 02:03:32,320
I'm trying to say. Okay. So I think

3499
02:03:32,320 --> 02:03:35,440
starting from 2023 may not give us the

3500
02:03:35,440 --> 02:03:37,920
best picture of where our finances are

3501
02:03:37,920 --> 02:03:40,639
from the last decade

3502
02:03:40,639 --> 02:03:42,800
>> or 5 years or

3503
02:03:42,800 --> 02:03:43,280
>> does does that

3504
02:03:43,280 --> 02:03:44,400
>> see what you're saying?

3505
02:03:44,400 --> 02:03:46,800
>> Right. Am I wrong? I don't want to be

3506
02:03:46,800 --> 02:03:50,159
misleading but to me that looks like we

3507
02:03:50,159 --> 02:03:53,679
lost money and now we're paying for it.

3508
02:03:53,679 --> 02:03:56,080
>> I think one of the years we used over 2

3509
02:03:56,080 --> 02:03:57,920
million of fund balance.

3510
02:03:57,920 --> 02:04:01,199
>> It was in 22 or 23 very recently. Yeah.

3511
02:04:01,199 --> 02:04:02,400
Yes.

3512
02:04:02,400 --> 02:04:05,520
>> Can Can you go back to that box?

3513
02:04:05,520 --> 02:04:06,159
>> Sorry.

3514
02:04:06,159 --> 02:04:07,760
>> The inflation or the spreadsheet, sir?

3515
02:04:07,760 --> 02:04:09,760
>> The the one that was the spreadsheet,

3516
02:04:09,760 --> 02:04:10,159
too.

3517
02:04:10,159 --> 02:04:10,560
>> Okay.

3518
02:04:10,560 --> 02:04:12,080
>> I just love looking at that.

3519
02:04:12,080 --> 02:04:15,040
>> I love it, too. Thank you.

3520
02:04:15,040 --> 02:04:15,679
>> You're so nice.

3521
02:04:15,679 --> 02:04:17,840
>> On the blue section, can you just type

3522
02:04:17,840 --> 02:04:22,149
in

3523
02:04:22,159 --> 02:04:28,950
» Type in 1.2 [clears throat] million.

3524
02:04:28,960 --> 02:04:30,639
I

3525
02:04:30,639 --> 02:04:31,040
what?

3526
02:04:31,040 --> 02:04:32,080
>> Wait, what did you just do?

3527
02:04:32,080 --> 02:04:33,040
>> Is that what you wanted to do?

3528
02:04:33,040 --> 02:04:34,960
>> It didn't take the percentage down.

3529
02:04:34,960 --> 02:04:37,679
>> That's

3530
02:04:37,679 --> 02:04:39,040
it. Has to be on the

3531
02:04:39,040 --> 02:04:41,760
>> take one of those white cuz those are

3532
02:04:41,760 --> 02:04:43,679
>> Well, then that's not fun. I was excited

3533
02:04:43,679 --> 02:04:45,920
for it to go to zero and say my job's

3534
02:04:45,920 --> 02:04:47,520
done. [laughter]

3535
02:04:47,520 --> 02:04:50,320
>> That's how I do my finances. I just type

3536
02:04:50,320 --> 02:04:52,800
it in. I'm like, oh, hey,

3537
02:04:52,800 --> 02:04:54,880
>> time for your shenan. We did it. Do

3538
02:04:54,880 --> 02:04:57,360
>> you go your bank account and do HTML to

3539
02:04:57,360 --> 02:04:59,840
>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, it changed the number.

3540
02:04:59,840 --> 02:05:02,400
This is good. Yeah, that's right. Okay.

3541
02:05:02,400 --> 02:05:04,080
Well, just a little bit of lighthearted

3542
02:05:04,080 --> 02:05:06,080
to make us all remember what we're doing

3543
02:05:06,080 --> 02:05:06,800
is good.

3544
02:05:06,800 --> 02:05:08,639
>> Thank you, John.

3545
02:05:08,639 --> 02:05:10,239
>> Can I I just want to reiterate that

3546
02:05:10,239 --> 02:05:12,880
every pnt we've done, we've had specific

3547
02:05:12,880 --> 02:05:15,520
reasons for doing that. And what this

3548
02:05:15,520 --> 02:05:17,119
spreadsheet is showing you are those

3549
02:05:17,119 --> 02:05:19,199
specific reasons on why we did it last

3550
02:05:19,199 --> 02:05:22,960
year and this year as well. Um, I just

3551
02:05:22,960 --> 02:05:24,400
wanted to point that out there because

3552
02:05:24,400 --> 02:05:25,920
when we're when we're looking at our

3553
02:05:25,920 --> 02:05:26,960
budget and saying, "Oh, well, our

3554
02:05:26,960 --> 02:05:29,040
expenditures are going up." That's

3555
02:05:29,040 --> 02:05:30,800
exactly what we're showing you here.

3556
02:05:30,800 --> 02:05:33,440
Fiscal year 26 and fiscal year 27. This

3557
02:05:33,440 --> 02:05:35,599
is what makes up that increase.

3558
02:05:35,599 --> 02:05:37,840
>> I don't know why that turned off.

3559
02:05:37,840 --> 02:05:39,760
>> Why did that go off?

3560
02:05:39,760 --> 02:05:41,679
>> Because it's a computer.

3561
02:05:41,679 --> 02:05:42,719
>> That's true.

3562
02:05:42,719 --> 02:05:44,480
>> Because it's a presenting.

3563
02:05:44,480 --> 02:05:47,360
>> How Okay, I have a question. So, we um

3564
02:05:47,360 --> 02:05:49,679
took out the deputy fire chief, right?

3565
02:05:49,679 --> 02:05:53,199
assuming that we could um we we get this

3566
02:05:53,199 --> 02:05:55,840
bond or this thing passed. If we don't

3567
02:05:55,840 --> 02:05:57,760
get it passed, we promised him this will

3568
02:05:57,760 --> 02:05:59,840
be our fourth year

3569
02:05:59,840 --> 02:06:02,000
>> promising him to have his deputy.

3570
02:06:02,000 --> 02:06:02,639
>> Okay.

3571
02:06:02,639 --> 02:06:04,000
>> So,

3572
02:06:04,000 --> 02:06:06,400
>> y

3573
02:06:06,400 --> 02:06:08,400
we haven't promised. He's asked. He's

3574
02:06:08,400 --> 02:06:08,960
asked.

3575
02:06:08,960 --> 02:06:10,800
>> We've agreed that it's we've agreed that

3576
02:06:10,800 --> 02:06:12,080
it's a need.

3577
02:06:12,080 --> 02:06:14,080
>> So, what kind of consensus can we come

3578
02:06:14,080 --> 02:06:16,639
up with

3579
02:06:16,639 --> 02:06:20,800
>> for the future? I deputy fire chief.

3580
02:06:20,800 --> 02:06:22,800
>> I mean, I did say Jason

3581
02:06:22,800 --> 02:06:24,400
>> you guys figure it out.

3582
02:06:24,400 --> 02:06:26,080
>> I'm I only said that out of frustration

3583
02:06:26,080 --> 02:06:26,400
because

3584
02:06:26,400 --> 02:06:28,000
>> I think he's okay with it.

3585
02:06:28,000 --> 02:06:29,280
>> I think you'll be okay with it,

3586
02:06:29,280 --> 02:06:31,360
>> but I don't expect

3587
02:06:31,360 --> 02:06:34,320
>> I mean if if there's a if that's a need,

3588
02:06:34,320 --> 02:06:36,320
which there is, how are we going to

3589
02:06:36,320 --> 02:06:37,199
figure that out? I guess.

3590
02:06:37,199 --> 02:06:40,159
>> Well, it'll be our I mean, we used to

3591
02:06:40,159 --> 02:06:42,480
talk about if we could just get staffing

3592
02:06:42,480 --> 02:06:44,400
increases down to maybe one or two a

3593
02:06:44,400 --> 02:06:47,760
year, like that would be great. Um, if

3594
02:06:47,760 --> 02:06:49,679
we come next year with one, it'll be

3595
02:06:49,679 --> 02:06:51,760
that. Um,

3596
02:06:51,760 --> 02:06:54,719
>> I know it's a big one, but it's it's one one position.

3597
02:06:54,719 --> 02:06:55,920
>> It's a big job. I know that there are

3598
02:06:55,920 --> 02:06:57,920
things she can't get to because he just

3599
02:06:57,920 --> 02:06:59,679
literally can't do it.

3600
02:06:59,679 --> 02:07:01,679
>> I think yeah, public safety is obviously

3601
02:07:01,679 --> 02:07:03,920
an important is a high high priority.

3602
02:07:03,920 --> 02:07:07,189
Um,

3603
02:07:07,199 --> 02:07:09,679
there's a there's a cost to that. I

3604
02:07:09,679 --> 02:07:13,669
don't know how else to

3605
02:07:13,679 --> 02:07:16,480
Huh?

3606
02:07:16,480 --> 02:07:19,520
>> Yeah. Okay.

3607
02:07:19,520 --> 02:07:20,560
What are you whispering about?

3608
02:07:20,560 --> 02:07:22,400
>> I was laughing at John.

3609
02:07:22,400 --> 02:07:23,599
>> What's John whispering?

3610
02:07:23,599 --> 02:07:27,119
>> I'm figuring stuff out.

3611
02:07:27,119 --> 02:07:28,880
>> I'm trying to get I was just telling

3612
02:07:28,880 --> 02:07:31,199
Mike his hair is just His hair is

3613
02:07:31,199 --> 02:07:33,280
something else today. It's [laughter]

3614
02:07:33,280 --> 02:07:35,119
He's been using some other product on

3615
02:07:35,119 --> 02:07:36,639
him.

3616
02:07:36,639 --> 02:07:39,760
>> So, at this point, we're down to 21.97.

3617
02:07:39,760 --> 02:07:40,239
>> Mhm.

3618
02:07:40,239 --> 02:07:41,760
>> Okay.

3619
02:07:41,760 --> 02:07:43,920
This just pushes it to other ears.

3620
02:07:43,920 --> 02:07:46,000
>> I'm just not convinced. I mean, don't

3621
02:07:46,000 --> 02:07:48,000
get me wrong, I don't want to raise tax

3622
02:07:48,000 --> 02:07:49,520
a lot. Like, we're feeling it just as

3623
02:07:49,520 --> 02:07:52,719
much as anyone else.

3624
02:07:52,719 --> 02:07:55,599
And if we feasibly can take it down to

3625
02:07:55,599 --> 02:07:57,920
this rate, then fine. But I just wonder

3626
02:07:57,920 --> 02:07:59,679
if we're continually setting ourselves

3627
02:07:59,679 --> 02:08:02,239
up for the same thing over and over and

3628
02:08:02,239 --> 02:08:04,079
over again. I mean, it's our job to have

3629
02:08:04,079 --> 02:08:06,000
these hard conversations. It's our job

3630
02:08:06,000 --> 02:08:08,159
to make the decisions. If this is where

3631
02:08:08,159 --> 02:08:10,800
we're comfortable, that's fine. But I do

3632
02:08:10,800 --> 02:08:12,960
worry that we're continually pushing it

3633
02:08:12,960 --> 02:08:15,599
down and it's just I mean this year we

3634
02:08:15,599 --> 02:08:17,599
feel like we're in a panic but it's just

3635
02:08:17,599 --> 02:08:19,760
going to keep getting worse I think if

3636
02:08:19,760 --> 02:08:22,000
we keep pushing things off. It's like

3637
02:08:22,000 --> 02:08:23,520
you don't get through your checklist

3638
02:08:23,520 --> 02:08:25,840
unless you check off the things like I

3639
02:08:25,840 --> 02:08:27,840
mean and and and in the past we put off

3640
02:08:27,840 --> 02:08:28,960
things and they have fallen off the

3641
02:08:28,960 --> 02:08:30,800
list. So that's definitely a possibility

3642
02:08:30,800 --> 02:08:33,199
also. But I do worry not that I want to

3643
02:08:33,199 --> 02:08:35,360
raise taxes more. I mean that sucks. The

3644
02:08:35,360 --> 02:08:39,520
whole thing sucks. But um

3645
02:08:39,520 --> 02:08:41,599
I want to make sure that we're very

3646
02:08:41,599 --> 02:08:44,239
comfortable with wherever we land and

3647
02:08:44,239 --> 02:08:46,639
we're not just putting things off to put

3648
02:08:46,639 --> 02:08:48,400
things off cuz this year sucks cuz every

3649
02:08:48,400 --> 02:08:50,239
year will suck.

3650
02:08:50,239 --> 02:08:52,480
>> I will advocate again for truth and

3651
02:08:52,480 --> 02:08:54,560
taxation every year.

3652
02:08:54,560 --> 02:08:56,239
>> You guys, there is a reason that I've

3653
02:08:56,239 --> 02:08:58,000
been harping on this since we started on

3654
02:08:58,000 --> 02:09:00,320
council. Not because I liked taxes and

3655
02:09:00,320 --> 02:09:02,400
tax discussions, but it's transparent.

3656
02:09:02,400 --> 02:09:02,800
>> Yeah.

3657
02:09:02,800 --> 02:09:04,159
>> We talk about it. We go through the

3658
02:09:04,159 --> 02:09:06,239
process. we look and see where we our

3659
02:09:06,239 --> 02:09:08,320
high low we can project for the future

3660
02:09:08,320 --> 02:09:11,360
and I think that part of the reason is

3661
02:09:11,360 --> 02:09:12,960
that we haven't done that and we haven't

3662
02:09:12,960 --> 02:09:14,960
been consistent. So I get what you're

3663
02:09:14,960 --> 02:09:17,280
saying as far as pushing some things off

3664
02:09:17,280 --> 02:09:21,040
that 59% um in that's that's the

3665
02:09:21,040 --> 02:09:23,360
assumption that this fire station passes

3666
02:09:23,360 --> 02:09:25,360
>> right and 61 if it doesn't because we

3667
02:09:25,360 --> 02:09:26,800
will have to remodel the fire station

3668
02:09:26,800 --> 02:09:27,760
that we currently have.

3669
02:09:27,760 --> 02:09:28,400
>> Correct.

3670
02:09:28,400 --> 02:09:30,639
>> Okay. the remodel of the current fire

3671
02:09:30,639 --> 02:09:33,520
station.

3672
02:09:33,520 --> 02:09:35,440
Can that can that be spread over a

3673
02:09:35,440 --> 02:09:37,119
two-year period or does it all have to

3674
02:09:37,119 --> 02:09:38,639
be funded at one time?

3675
02:09:38,639 --> 02:09:41,360
>> Um, it's it's an expansion, I guess,

3676
02:09:41,360 --> 02:09:43,280
really. Or well,

3677
02:09:43,280 --> 02:09:44,960
>> you can bond for it just like we did

3678
02:09:44,960 --> 02:09:45,679
here.

3679
02:09:45,679 --> 02:09:48,400
>> Um, bonding is expensive. I mean, I I

3680
02:09:48,400 --> 02:09:50,159
don't see people bonding for a million

3681
02:09:50,159 --> 02:09:52,320
and a half just because it's

3682
02:09:52,320 --> 02:09:54,159
>> No, but

3683
02:09:54,159 --> 02:09:56,000
>> could the changes be made like modularly

3684
02:09:56,000 --> 02:09:58,159
though? like a couple changes, one year,

3685
02:09:58,159 --> 02:09:59,599
a couple changes, or is it all one big

3686
02:09:59,599 --> 02:10:00,239
construction

3687
02:10:00,239 --> 02:10:01,119
>> can phase?

3688
02:10:01,119 --> 02:10:05,119
>> So, you could look into I don't know

3689
02:10:05,119 --> 02:10:07,199
broke it down and to see

3690
02:10:07,199 --> 02:10:09,040
>> I do know other cities that bond for

3691
02:10:09,040 --> 02:10:11,199
multiple things at one time and they'll

3692
02:10:11,199 --> 02:10:12,880
say we just did this, you know, $15

3693
02:10:12,880 --> 02:10:15,599
million bond and we we knocked all these

3694
02:10:15,599 --> 02:10:18,000
things out. And so, I know you can I I

3695
02:10:18,000 --> 02:10:20,000
know you can do that. Not that that's a

3696
02:10:20,000 --> 02:10:21,440
good idea, but sometimes if the rates

3697
02:10:21,440 --> 02:10:23,360
are appropriate and stuff, you can do

3698
02:10:23,360 --> 02:10:26,470
that.

3699
02:10:26,480 --> 02:10:27,040
So

3700
02:10:27,040 --> 02:10:28,159
>> yeah, anyway,

3701
02:10:28,159 --> 02:10:29,840
>> you could kind of like just model that

3702
02:10:29,840 --> 02:10:31,840
financially and see what would be in the

3703
02:10:31,840 --> 02:10:34,239
city's best interest if we'd save money

3704
02:10:34,239 --> 02:10:36,960
>> by bonding versus just um trying to

3705
02:10:36,960 --> 02:10:38,639
>> one bond. We did a bond for the

3706
02:10:38,639 --> 02:10:40,480
operations and the fire station together

3707
02:10:40,480 --> 02:10:42,880
as one bond instead of two bonds. Do we

3708
02:10:42,880 --> 02:10:45,280
save money on that

3709
02:10:45,280 --> 02:10:47,040
>> to to wrap both projects together? I

3710
02:10:47,040 --> 02:10:48,400
know that other cities do that kind of

3711
02:10:48,400 --> 02:10:49,199
thing. So

3712
02:10:49,199 --> 02:10:52,000
>> uh that's a great point. Well, I mean I

3713
02:10:52,000 --> 02:10:54,560
would Yeah. And we have to bond for the

3714
02:10:54,560 --> 02:10:56,239
fieldhouse, right? So

3715
02:10:56,239 --> 02:10:57,440
>> maybe we bond for all three.

3716
02:10:57,440 --> 02:10:59,360
>> Maybe we bond for the fieldhouse and

3717
02:10:59,360 --> 02:11:01,199
the,

3718
02:11:01,199 --> 02:11:04,239
you know, the fire station if it's the $

3719
02:11:04,239 --> 02:11:06,079
1.5 million version

3720
02:11:06,079 --> 02:11:07,280
>> all together.

3721
02:11:07,280 --> 02:11:09,280
>> Certainly. Yeah, that's a great idea to

3722
02:11:09,280 --> 02:11:09,920
look at.

3723
02:11:09,920 --> 02:11:10,320
>> Okay.

3724
02:11:10,320 --> 02:11:13,599
So your your goal, at least from

3725
02:11:13,599 --> 02:11:16,480
my standpoint, is to get a list together

3726
02:11:16,480 --> 02:11:18,880
of that 430

3727
02:11:18,880 --> 02:11:21,760
plus. Is that going to be manageable?

3728
02:11:21,760 --> 02:11:25,679
>> I'm sorry. manageable $430,000

3729
02:11:25,679 --> 02:11:28,079
of increased hard cost, soft cost,

3730
02:11:28,079 --> 02:11:29,599
whatever you're calling them.

3731
02:11:29,599 --> 02:11:33,119
>> That list is is something that you could

3732
02:11:33,119 --> 02:11:34,560
>> pull out

3733
02:11:34,560 --> 02:11:34,960
>> probably

3734
02:11:34,960 --> 02:11:36,320
>> possibly for us.

3735
02:11:36,320 --> 02:11:38,079
>> I think that would be interesting to

3736
02:11:38,079 --> 02:11:40,400
look at just because uh where we're

3737
02:11:40,400 --> 02:11:41,760
putting it into something where we're

3738
02:11:41,760 --> 02:11:44,880
counting on it to be a continual

3739
02:11:44,880 --> 02:11:46,800
expense. to be interesting to see like,

3740
02:11:46,800 --> 02:11:49,840
oh, well, maybe this price goes down,

3741
02:11:49,840 --> 02:11:51,840
maybe gas prices go down, maybe these

3742
02:11:51,840 --> 02:11:53,440
things go down. And if that's the case,

3743
02:11:53,440 --> 02:11:56,159
I want to look at like, okay, well,

3744
02:11:56,159 --> 02:12:00,239
maybe budgeting it for future

3745
02:12:00,239 --> 02:12:02,239
expenses is not the best idea. It's

3746
02:12:02,239 --> 02:12:04,320
like, is it a one-time type of deal? I

3747
02:12:04,320 --> 02:12:05,119
just think

3748
02:12:05,119 --> 02:12:05,920
>> that's fair.

3749
02:12:05,920 --> 02:12:07,360
>> Does that Does that make sense? I just

3750
02:12:07,360 --> 02:12:08,639
like to see kind of

3751
02:12:08,639 --> 02:12:09,199
>> Sure.

3752
02:12:09,199 --> 02:12:11,920
>> Um,

3753
02:12:11,920 --> 02:12:14,079
what the what those things mean? Boy,

3754
02:12:14,079 --> 02:12:17,040
that's a huge increase.

3755
02:12:17,040 --> 02:12:19,760
>> I'm just curious in terms of like when

3756
02:12:19,760 --> 02:12:21,599
were those numbers calculated like

3757
02:12:21,599 --> 02:12:24,159
>> Well, just it's just it's I think it

3758
02:12:24,159 --> 02:12:25,679
Yeah, I mean it seems like a lot

3759
02:12:25,679 --> 02:12:27,440
>> last few weeks have been unprecedented.

3760
02:12:27,440 --> 02:12:30,400
>> Crazy high, right? Yeah.

3761
02:12:30,400 --> 02:12:31,760
>> So, anyway,

3762
02:12:31,760 --> 02:12:33,360
>> so there's one other thing that is

3763
02:12:33,360 --> 02:12:35,040
possible that maybe you could do.

3764
02:12:35,040 --> 02:12:35,679
>> Okay.

3765
02:12:35,679 --> 02:12:38,400
>> Let's say we projected a truth in

3766
02:12:38,400 --> 02:12:43,520
taxation of 20% for 4 years. didn't do a

3767
02:12:43,520 --> 02:12:46,079
fire station, didn't do a shop, waited

3768
02:12:46,079 --> 02:12:48,400
four years. Can you let us know where

3769
02:12:48,400 --> 02:12:50,400
that would possibly get us as far as the

3770
02:12:50,400 --> 02:12:52,880
general fund goes, as far as revenues

3771
02:12:52,880 --> 02:12:54,400
and expenditures

3772
02:12:54,400 --> 02:12:54,960
>> is that

3773
02:12:54,960 --> 02:12:57,840
>> just to just calculating inflation into

3774
02:12:57,840 --> 02:12:58,960
the general fund.

3775
02:12:58,960 --> 02:13:01,040
>> I think if you didn't do those stations,

3776
02:13:01,040 --> 02:13:03,119
you'd be crushing it. I and that's what

3777
02:13:03,119 --> 02:13:04,719
I'd like to see because if that's a

3778
02:13:04,719 --> 02:13:06,400
possibility, if we could do something

3779
02:13:06,400 --> 02:13:08,800
similar to that for four years, yes,

3780
02:13:08,800 --> 02:13:10,159
it's going to hurt and everything have

3781
02:13:10,159 --> 02:13:11,679
to be tight and that, but I'd like to

3782
02:13:11,679 --> 02:13:13,199
see what it would turn out. I'd like to

3783
02:13:13,199 --> 02:13:15,599
see where we would be. I'd like to see

3784
02:13:15,599 --> 02:13:18,880
if we did a 20% truth in taxation for

3785
02:13:18,880 --> 02:13:20,560
four years in a row and didn't do the

3786
02:13:20,560 --> 02:13:22,320
great big projects, which we know we

3787
02:13:22,320 --> 02:13:24,560
have to pay for the fieldhouse that we

3788
02:13:24,560 --> 02:13:27,199
can't get out. That's an absolute.

3789
02:13:27,199 --> 02:13:29,040
I I would like to know where that puts

3790
02:13:29,040 --> 02:13:31,840
us as far as general fund revenues and

3791
02:13:31,840 --> 02:13:35,199
expenditures. Where's that at?

3792
02:13:35,199 --> 02:13:36,639
>> Cuz you know, that might be one of the

3793
02:13:36,639 --> 02:13:38,560
hard decisions you have to say is we've

3794
02:13:38,560 --> 02:13:40,239
got to stop the bleeding and the only

3795
02:13:40,239 --> 02:13:41,760
way to do this is to get us to where

3796
02:13:41,760 --> 02:13:43,760
we're at a net zero and then start

3797
02:13:43,760 --> 02:13:46,079
talking about projects. But where we're

3798
02:13:46,079 --> 02:13:47,920
losing a million dollars or getting a

3799
02:13:47,920 --> 02:13:50,480
million behind every year, it's hard for

3800
02:13:50,480 --> 02:13:53,119
me to talk about these additional

3801
02:13:53,119 --> 02:13:54,639
>> projects where I know we're getting

3802
02:13:54,639 --> 02:13:57,599
behind every year. take the off center

3803
02:13:57,599 --> 02:13:58,719
where that would put us in three.

3804
02:13:58,719 --> 02:14:01,040
>> I'd like a plan like that of some you

3805
02:14:01,040 --> 02:14:01,840
know.

3806
02:14:01,840 --> 02:14:05,360
>> So that's this is where this

3807
02:14:05,360 --> 02:14:08,400
>> I took out the 1.5. So in the

3808
02:14:08,400 --> 02:14:11,199
projections without fire station section

3809
02:14:11,199 --> 02:14:14,159
I took out the op center and that 1.5

3810
02:14:14,159 --> 02:14:18,239
million uh for the fire station remodel

3811
02:14:18,239 --> 02:14:20,639
>> project. So we're still at 57%.

3812
02:14:20,639 --> 02:14:21,760
>> Correct.

3813
02:14:21,760 --> 02:14:24,159
>> So it didn't really it's 2%.

3814
02:14:24,159 --> 02:14:25,679
>> Mhm. So I guess I don't understand what

3815
02:14:25,679 --> 02:14:28,560
you did. I I'm saying that we did a tax

3816
02:14:28,560 --> 02:14:30,480
increase of 20%

3817
02:14:30,480 --> 02:14:34,239
>> for four years Can't you just And tell

3818
02:14:34,239 --> 02:14:36,800
me what how that right now our revenues

3819
02:14:36,800 --> 02:14:39,760
are 22 million roughly in our general

3820
02:14:39,760 --> 02:14:42,000
well not really because 22% it's only

3821
02:14:42,000 --> 02:14:43,840
going to affect the one line property

3822
02:14:43,840 --> 02:14:48,000
tax doesn't really affect everything.

3823
02:14:48,000 --> 02:14:49,440
I mean, I could do that, but we're still

3824
02:14:49,440 --> 02:14:51,840
going to be underfunded because I've

3825
02:14:51,840 --> 02:14:53,599
already projected out revenues and

3826
02:14:53,599 --> 02:14:54,320
expenses.

3827
02:14:54,320 --> 02:14:55,840
>> You've projected that out with the

3828
02:14:55,840 --> 02:14:58,000
station in there, though. He was saying

3829
02:14:58,000 --> 02:14:59,280
>> I just took it out.

3830
02:14:59,280 --> 02:14:59,679
>> Oh,

3831
02:14:59,679 --> 02:15:00,880
>> you took it out. So,

3832
02:15:00,880 --> 02:15:02,480
>> and the projection,

3833
02:15:02,480 --> 02:15:06,400
>> where's the 20% in 27, 20% in 28, 20%

3834
02:15:06,400 --> 02:15:09,440
29? How much revenue does that generate?

3835
02:15:09,440 --> 02:15:13,360
Um, and how does that match our with say

3836
02:15:13,360 --> 02:15:17,920
a 5% or 4% inflationary number?

3837
02:15:17,920 --> 02:15:19,360
Where do we come out? I want to know

3838
02:15:19,360 --> 02:15:22,320
where we come out. You want to see that would do like to our fund balance

3839
02:15:22,320 --> 02:15:22,960
or what?

3840
02:15:22,960 --> 02:15:24,000
>> Yeah, exactly.

3841
02:15:24,000 --> 02:15:25,840
>> We're

3842
02:15:25,840 --> 02:15:28,639
>> Yes, I can do that. But I I mean off of

3843
02:15:28,639 --> 02:15:31,520
this fiscal year 28, we're going to use

3844
02:15:31,520 --> 02:15:34,079
what? 2.5 million of fund balance to

3845
02:15:34,079 --> 02:15:36,079
cover the expenses that

3846
02:15:36,079 --> 02:15:38,880
>> even if we're doing a 20% increase every

3847
02:15:38,880 --> 02:15:39,440
year.

3848
02:15:39,440 --> 02:15:42,560
>> Yes. Because because you I can't spend

3849
02:15:42,560 --> 02:15:44,079
money that we haven't earned. So fiscal

3850
02:15:44,079 --> 02:15:46,079
year 28, I still have to cover all those

3851
02:15:46,079 --> 02:15:47,760
expenses.

3852
02:15:47,760 --> 02:15:49,040
Therefore, I'm going to have to use

3853
02:15:49,040 --> 02:15:50,159
>> I thought I thought you said this year

3854
02:15:50,159 --> 02:15:53,119
we're only using 99.95.

3855
02:15:53,119 --> 02:15:55,599
>> Yes, we are. In fiscal year 27, but if

3856
02:15:55,599 --> 02:15:58,320
he's saying fisc year 27, do 20%.

3857
02:15:58,320 --> 02:15:58,880
>> Okay.

3858
02:15:58,880 --> 02:16:01,040
>> And then fiscal year 28, change that to

3859
02:16:01,040 --> 02:16:03,119
20%, it's going to be around the 1

3860
02:16:03,119 --> 02:16:03,599
million.

3861
02:16:03,599 --> 02:16:05,040
>> I got you. So you're thinking it needs

3862
02:16:05,040 --> 02:16:06,880
to be 59.37

3863
02:16:06,880 --> 02:16:08,960
even if you don't do the fire stations.

3864
02:16:08,960 --> 02:16:10,719
>> Sorry, the the bottom one, the

3865
02:16:10,719 --> 02:16:12,239
projections without fire station. Do you

3866
02:16:12,239 --> 02:16:14,320
think it would be 57? It's the fire

3867
02:16:14,320 --> 02:16:16,159
station only changes it 2%.

3868
02:16:16,159 --> 02:16:16,960
>> Yeah, that's right.

3869
02:16:16,960 --> 02:16:18,639
>> Yes, because we're using capital fund

3870
02:16:18,639 --> 02:16:21,440
balance and fire impact. Gotcha. Gotcha.

3871
02:16:21,440 --> 02:16:22,560
>> For that first year.

3872
02:16:22,560 --> 02:16:23,599
>> That's crazy.

3873
02:16:23,599 --> 02:16:25,199
>> Or for the remodel. I'm sorry.

3874
02:16:25,199 --> 02:16:26,800
>> Then it's the third year where it drops

3875
02:16:26,800 --> 02:16:27,360
down.

3876
02:16:27,360 --> 02:16:28,159
>> Correct.

3877
02:16:28,159 --> 02:16:31,280
>> Just wonder what a 20% tax increase did

3878
02:16:31,280 --> 02:16:33,599
as far as bringing into our revenue.

3879
02:16:33,599 --> 02:16:36,319
>> It'll be the about the 1 million the

3880
02:16:36,319 --> 02:16:37,599
same the fisc year 27.

3881
02:16:37,599 --> 02:16:39,040
>> So we're going to Mike, are you saying

3882
02:16:39,040 --> 02:16:40,399
take off the remodel as well?

3883
02:16:40,399 --> 02:16:42,719
>> Yeah. Take take everything off except

3884
02:16:42,719 --> 02:16:44,399
for the general front extension. Don't

3885
02:16:44,399 --> 02:16:50,709
get stuck.

3886
02:16:50,719 --> 02:16:52,319
» Sorry. What just happened? There's a lot

3887
02:16:52,319 --> 02:16:55,830
of noises.

3888
02:16:55,840 --> 02:16:59,599
» I don't like I'm just saying to do the

3889
02:16:59,599 --> 02:17:03,599
20% I'm assuming it would match your 20.

3890
02:17:03,599 --> 02:17:05,200
>> I think you're tracking because what

3891
02:17:05,200 --> 02:17:07,040
she's saying is the 57. If you dropped

3892
02:17:07,040 --> 02:17:08,319
that to 20 and then the next year

3893
02:17:08,319 --> 02:17:10,080
instead of nine you did 20 and then the

3894
02:17:10,080 --> 02:17:11,840
next year instead of five you did 20 I

3895
02:17:11,840 --> 02:17:13,439
think it would track it be about the

3896
02:17:13,439 --> 02:17:14,960
same

3897
02:17:14,960 --> 02:17:17,200
>> which is fine but f 28 you're still

3898
02:17:17,200 --> 02:17:18,719
going to be in trouble because I have

3899
02:17:18,719 --> 02:17:19,439
this

3900
02:17:19,439 --> 02:17:23,519
>> I understand but maybe by year 20 29 and

3901
02:17:23,519 --> 02:17:26,719
30 we're catching up finally

3902
02:17:26,719 --> 02:17:28,559
>> that's what I'm saying I'm looking for a

3903
02:17:28,559 --> 02:17:30,160
plan I'm looking for a

3904
02:17:30,160 --> 02:17:32,319
>> that's fair what happens when an

3905
02:17:32,319 --> 02:17:34,479
emergency comes into sphere 30 and we

3906
02:17:34,479 --> 02:17:37,599
have less than a million of fund balance

3907
02:17:37,599 --> 02:17:40,160
So you constantly have to use fund

3908
02:17:40,160 --> 02:17:42,319
balance. I mean it's not going to change

3909
02:17:42,319 --> 02:17:47,280
to to do a 20% increase uh on this 5,600

3910
02:17:47,280 --> 02:17:49,920
and something,000 every year for the

3911
02:17:49,920 --> 02:17:52,639
next four years. I'm still going to have

3912
02:17:52,639 --> 02:17:54,880
to use fund balance, but I'm not doing

3913
02:17:54,880 --> 02:17:56,160
any. I'm just assuming

3914
02:17:56,160 --> 02:17:58,399
>> on on this year. Yes. Based on this

3915
02:17:58,399 --> 02:18:00,719
projection because I need a tax increase

3916
02:18:00,719 --> 02:18:03,120
of 4 million. You're saying only do a

3917
02:18:03,120 --> 02:18:05,679
tax increase of one. Why do we need that

3918
02:18:05,679 --> 02:18:06,719
4 million tax increase?

3919
02:18:06,719 --> 02:18:07,840
>> Yeah. Why do you need the 4 million?

3920
02:18:07,840 --> 02:18:10,639
>> I'm confused by the huge amount.

3921
02:18:10,639 --> 02:18:12,080
>> Because we're not using the million of

3922
02:18:12,080 --> 02:18:13,920
fund balance. We're not using NBA fund

3923
02:18:13,920 --> 02:18:15,679
balance anymore. We're not using the

3924
02:18:15,679 --> 02:18:18,080
debt service fund balance anymore and

3925
02:18:18,080 --> 02:18:20,319
general fund fund balance I took out.

3926
02:18:20,319 --> 02:18:22,160
>> Okay. Is there point when we used a

3927
02:18:22,160 --> 02:18:23,840
million dollars and if let's say we used

3928
02:18:23,840 --> 02:18:25,760
a million dollars of fund balance for

3929
02:18:25,760 --> 02:18:28,240
three years with it by the fourth year,

3930
02:18:28,240 --> 02:18:30,000
could we quit using fund balance and be

3931
02:18:30,000 --> 02:18:30,880
caught up?

3932
02:18:30,880 --> 02:18:32,240
>> Well, we'd have to because our fund

3933
02:18:32,240 --> 02:18:34,399
balance would be zero.

3934
02:18:34,399 --> 02:18:34,880
can't do

3935
02:18:34,880 --> 02:18:36,880
>> at the end of fiscal year 27. Our fund

3936
02:18:36,880 --> 02:18:39,679
balance is going to be like 3.5

3937
02:18:39,679 --> 02:18:41,840
or something. We go to that fund balance

3938
02:18:41,840 --> 02:18:44,080
>> only if we're only if we're assuming

3939
02:18:44,080 --> 02:18:45,760
that last year was the same as the

3940
02:18:45,760 --> 02:18:47,679
previous year. It won't be like that.

3941
02:18:47,679 --> 02:18:50,160
>> No, I have that we don't Yes. Yes. Yes.

3942
02:18:50,160 --> 02:18:52,160
I'm sorry. Yep. You are correct.

3943
02:18:52,160 --> 02:18:54,559
>> So really the only mechanisms we have to

3944
02:18:54,559 --> 02:18:57,439
increase our revenue internally is

3945
02:18:57,439 --> 02:18:59,359
increase impact fees. Maybe look at

3946
02:18:59,359 --> 02:18:59,840
that.

3947
02:18:59,840 --> 02:19:01,599
>> Yes. which we have that study in the

3948
02:19:01,599 --> 02:19:01,920
budget

3949
02:19:01,920 --> 02:19:03,599
>> which we going to do that study that

3950
02:19:03,599 --> 02:19:05,439
will help us a little bit. We don't have

3951
02:19:05,439 --> 02:19:07,679
a ton of development but we can charge a

3952
02:19:07,679 --> 02:19:09,359
fair rate for the development that

3953
02:19:09,359 --> 02:19:10,000
occurs.

3954
02:19:10,000 --> 02:19:10,800
>> Yes.

3955
02:19:10,800 --> 02:19:13,599
>> Um we have really tried to do some

3956
02:19:13,599 --> 02:19:16,000
economic development tools within our

3957
02:19:16,000 --> 02:19:17,840
cities to be able to attract businesses

3958
02:19:17,840 --> 02:19:20,719
that was shot down by our residents and

3959
02:19:20,719 --> 02:19:22,559
not very well received.

3960
02:19:22,559 --> 02:19:22,880
>> Correct.

3961
02:19:22,880 --> 02:19:24,800
>> And we did try to do that. We spent five

3962
02:19:24,800 --> 02:19:26,319
years working on that to try to help

3963
02:19:26,319 --> 02:19:28,240
ourselves generate revenue and

3964
02:19:28,240 --> 02:19:30,000
opportunities and economic opportunities

3965
02:19:30,000 --> 02:19:32,639
for growth. Um, people want to build

3966
02:19:32,639 --> 02:19:34,240
higher density homes within our

3967
02:19:34,240 --> 02:19:35,519
community. Our residents don't like

3968
02:19:35,519 --> 02:19:38,000
that. So, we say no to that as much as

3969
02:19:38,000 --> 02:19:40,240
possible and we try to monitor and

3970
02:19:40,240 --> 02:19:42,080
manage that within the confines of what

3971
02:19:42,080 --> 02:19:44,000
our community wants. And so, I guess

3972
02:19:44,000 --> 02:19:46,319
what I'm saying is I don't know. We have

3973
02:19:46,319 --> 02:19:47,840
done literally everything. We did a big

3974
02:19:47,840 --> 02:19:49,520
Trader Joe's thing. We've been trying to

3975
02:19:49,520 --> 02:19:51,200
reach out. We've been trying to get

3976
02:19:51,200 --> 02:19:53,040
businesses that are appropriate for

3977
02:19:53,040 --> 02:19:55,439
Kisville and there's only so much that

3978
02:19:55,439 --> 02:19:57,520
we can do,

3979
02:19:57,520 --> 02:20:00,640
but we have chosen a lifestyle here. We

3980
02:20:00,640 --> 02:20:02,319
are hometown. We want to be that way. We

3981
02:20:02,319 --> 02:20:05,600
are churches, schools, and people homes.

3982
02:20:05,600 --> 02:20:08,240
And and because of that, we are paying a

3983
02:20:08,240 --> 02:20:10,000
price and and that's a hard thing to

3984
02:20:10,000 --> 02:20:11,680
talk about and tell people, but that's

3985
02:20:11,680 --> 02:20:15,359
the truth. So, aside from going back and

3986
02:20:15,359 --> 02:20:17,280
doing a new RDA and trying to which

3987
02:20:17,280 --> 02:20:18,800
we're, you know, going to try to circle

3988
02:20:18,800 --> 02:20:20,960
that wagon again and attract some

3989
02:20:20,960 --> 02:20:23,200
businesses, we're having a dealership

3990
02:20:23,200 --> 02:20:24,640
come in. That'll help

3991
02:20:24,640 --> 02:20:26,960
>> with tax revenue. We need to be

3992
02:20:26,960 --> 02:20:28,960
>> grateful for these businesses willing to

3993
02:20:28,960 --> 02:20:31,040
be do business in our city.

3994
02:20:31,040 --> 02:20:32,640
>> But also, our expectation is high. So,

3995
02:20:32,640 --> 02:20:33,920
you look at our budget and I think,

3996
02:20:33,920 --> 02:20:35,840
okay, where can we really cut? What do

3997
02:20:35,840 --> 02:20:37,600
we do? Sell parks?

3998
02:20:37,600 --> 02:20:38,000
>> Well,

3999
02:20:38,000 --> 02:20:39,439
>> you know, what do we do? Not replace

4000
02:20:39,439 --> 02:20:42,000
equipment. I think what I think like if

4001
02:20:42,000 --> 02:20:50,080
I don't know if you can slide of where uh where we lie as a city

4002
02:20:50,080 --> 02:20:52,000
>> compared to the other cities. I think

4003
02:20:52,000 --> 02:20:54,000
the the point that you're bringing up,

4004
02:20:54,000 --> 02:20:56,080
mayor, is a very valid valid point

4005
02:20:56,080 --> 02:20:57,680
because you look at the cities that are

4006
02:20:57,680 --> 02:21:00,240
the highest. The majority of them are

4007
02:21:00,240 --> 02:21:02,560
supplementing their lifestyle or their

4008
02:21:02,560 --> 02:21:06,240
life by through property taxes because

4009
02:21:06,240 --> 02:21:09,040
they don't aren't generating

4010
02:21:09,040 --> 02:21:11,359
revenue from

4011
02:21:11,359 --> 02:21:12,720
uh businesses.

4012
02:21:12,720 --> 02:21:15,120
>> Yes. So like West Woodscross, I mean

4013
02:21:15,120 --> 02:21:17,280
Woodscross, West West Point, West

4014
02:21:17,280 --> 02:21:19,840
Bountiful, those are like for the most

4015
02:21:19,840 --> 02:21:21,600
part they don't have businesses there.

4016
02:21:21,600 --> 02:21:23,359
And so they're saying like, "Hey, as a

4017
02:21:23,359 --> 02:21:25,680
resident, the only way we can pay for

4018
02:21:25,680 --> 02:21:28,319
things is through property taxes." And

4019
02:21:28,319 --> 02:21:31,680
your point is that as Kisville, if if we

4020
02:21:31,680 --> 02:21:35,120
continue to say that we want to be more

4021
02:21:35,120 --> 02:21:38,960
like those cities, we will have to

4022
02:21:38,960 --> 02:21:41,840
increase the property tax to gen to pay

4023
02:21:41,840 --> 02:21:42,479
for it.

4024
02:21:42,479 --> 02:21:46,560
>> Or or we figure out how as a state to to

4025
02:21:46,560 --> 02:21:48,319
find some other source of revenue,

4026
02:21:48,319 --> 02:21:50,479
right? Nobody wants property tax. I

4027
02:21:50,479 --> 02:21:51,760
would love to get rid of it. Every

4028
02:21:51,760 --> 02:21:53,600
single person in Utah would love to get

4029
02:21:53,600 --> 02:21:55,120
rid of it. I don't know what we replace

4030
02:21:55,120 --> 02:21:57,520
it with. I know there are other states

4031
02:21:57,520 --> 02:21:59,680
looking at options. I don't know what

4032
02:21:59,680 --> 02:22:03,520
the answers are, but that's that's

4033
02:22:03,520 --> 02:22:05,280
the only way we help ourselves. Manage

4034
02:22:05,280 --> 02:22:07,120
costs like Mike's saying, but at the

4035
02:22:07,120 --> 02:22:09,040
same time, you can't be stagnant.

4036
02:22:09,040 --> 02:22:11,680
>> We still have to replace lines and

4037
02:22:11,680 --> 02:22:13,520
infrastructure and make sure that our

4038
02:22:13,520 --> 02:22:14,960
community stays nice because that's why

4039
02:22:14,960 --> 02:22:16,399
people like it here. That's why they

4040
02:22:16,399 --> 02:22:17,760
want to live here. Our values are high

4041
02:22:17,760 --> 02:22:21,359
because we've held the line. So, you

4042
02:22:21,359 --> 02:22:23,600
know, it's just it's frustrating. I

4043
02:22:23,600 --> 02:22:25,680
guess my point is none of us want to

4044
02:22:25,680 --> 02:22:27,280
make these decisions, but like you said,

4045
02:22:27,280 --> 02:22:29,040
we have to make hard decisions.

4046
02:22:29,040 --> 02:22:29,439
>> Yeah.

4047
02:22:29,439 --> 02:22:31,680
>> And we and and it's irresponsible to not

4048
02:22:31,680 --> 02:22:34,080
make decisions when we need to.

4049
02:22:34,080 --> 02:22:34,560
>> Yeah.

4050
02:22:34,560 --> 02:22:36,319
>> And and saying, you know, I'd love to

4051
02:22:36,319 --> 02:22:37,920
just say no to a property tax. Believe

4052
02:22:37,920 --> 02:22:39,840
me, that would be a very easy thing to

4053
02:22:39,840 --> 02:22:40,560
do,

4054
02:22:40,560 --> 02:22:42,000
>> but we can't do that because that's not

4055
02:22:42,000 --> 02:22:44,800
responsible. So, I appreciate staff

4056
02:22:44,800 --> 02:22:46,399
being willing to look at this with us

4057
02:22:46,399 --> 02:22:50,160
because we've gone we've had multiple meetings about this. I

4058
02:22:50,160 --> 02:22:52,240
appreciate council all of your input,

4059
02:22:52,240 --> 02:22:55,200
your suggestions.

4060
02:22:55,200 --> 02:22:58,160
>> Where would uh 0 now that if we're now

4061
02:22:58,160 --> 02:23:01,359
that we're down to like what 30 or 20

4062
02:23:01,359 --> 02:23:05,200
whatever, I bet that puts us at a

4063
02:23:05,200 --> 02:23:07,359
proposed rate that's much significantly

4064
02:23:07,359 --> 02:23:10,080
lower than 0001923.

4065
02:23:10,080 --> 02:23:11,920
>> I've also talked to the 15 cities in

4066
02:23:11,920 --> 02:23:14,000
Davis County and so far I think seven of

4067
02:23:14,000 --> 02:23:16,960
them are doing truth and taxation.

4068
02:23:16,960 --> 02:23:19,439
Yeah, I think that there there are seven

4069
02:23:19,439 --> 02:23:21,520
so far that have committed to doing it.

4070
02:23:21,520 --> 02:23:23,600
Um I don't know what their numbers are

4071
02:23:23,600 --> 02:23:25,359
like, but they've said yes, we will have

4072
02:23:25,359 --> 02:23:29,670
some sort of taxation.175.

4073
02:23:29,680 --> 02:23:31,600
» Wow.

4074
02:23:31,600 --> 02:23:35,200
>> Which was I didn't see that I printed it

4075
02:23:35,200 --> 02:23:38,560
out if you want to look at this spot.

4076
02:23:38,560 --> 02:23:41,520
>> So same spot. Oh, so remember we started

4077
02:23:41,520 --> 02:23:44,720
lower into a lot closer to fruit he

4078
02:23:44,720 --> 02:23:46,960
kites rather than center.

4079
02:23:46,960 --> 02:23:48,720
>> Oh my

4080
02:23:48,720 --> 02:23:49,280
height.

4081
02:23:49,280 --> 02:23:51,280
>> That's hilarious.

4082
02:23:51,280 --> 02:23:53,359
>> All that for that.

4083
02:23:53,359 --> 02:23:54,720
>> We're still in the same spot.

4084
02:23:54,720 --> 02:23:55,200
>> Mhm.

4085
02:23:55,200 --> 02:23:57,200
>> Yeah, but it means a lot to our

4086
02:23:57,200 --> 02:23:59,359
>> I know. I know. I'm sorry. I'm not

4087
02:23:59,359 --> 02:24:02,000
trying to be at least.

4088
02:24:02,000 --> 02:24:03,120
>> I understand. But

4089
02:24:03,120 --> 02:24:06,800
>> it's just life because we have to do it

4090
02:24:06,800 --> 02:24:08,640
again next year and next year.

4091
02:24:08,640 --> 02:24:09,439
>> Yes.

4092
02:24:09,439 --> 02:24:11,120
If anything, we're going to make we're

4093
02:24:11,120 --> 02:24:13,120
just making it harder for ourselves to

4094
02:24:13,120 --> 02:24:15,760
>> I think we'll be here at this exact time

4095
02:24:15,760 --> 02:24:18,240
talking the same conversation next year

4096
02:24:18,240 --> 02:24:20,479
>> and surprised that we have to point like

4097
02:24:20,479 --> 02:24:20,960
we are.

4098
02:24:20,960 --> 02:24:22,160
>> We got to fix that.

4099
02:24:22,160 --> 02:24:22,560
>> Yeah.

4100
02:24:22,560 --> 02:24:24,080
>> Something's got to get

4101
02:24:24,080 --> 02:24:24,720
>> It's got to

4102
02:24:24,720 --> 02:24:25,920
>> I'm not sure what that is.

4103
02:24:25,920 --> 02:24:26,800
>> I don't either.

4104
02:24:26,800 --> 02:24:29,680
>> And then the sad part is is the only

4105
02:24:29,680 --> 02:24:31,920
thing this

4106
02:24:31,920 --> 02:24:34,080
>> damn thing's going to do is fix the 5

4107
02:24:34,080 --> 02:24:36,160
million number. Doesn't fix anything

4108
02:24:36,160 --> 02:24:36,800
else,

4109
02:24:36,800 --> 02:24:37,600
>> right?

4110
02:24:37,600 --> 02:24:40,960
>> It's all it does. fix the $5 million $6

4111
02:24:40,960 --> 02:24:43,680
million 5.85 whatever.

4112
02:24:43,680 --> 02:24:44,720
>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I know what you're

4113
02:24:44,720 --> 02:24:44,960
talking

4114
02:24:44,960 --> 02:24:47,120
>> but that's our only way that we can have

4115
02:24:47,120 --> 02:24:50,560
money. And I, you know, I know that you

4116
02:24:50,560 --> 02:24:52,160
guys

4117
02:24:52,160 --> 02:24:54,800
really

4118
02:24:54,800 --> 02:24:58,319
you you talk bad about how Quasville ran

4119
02:24:58,319 --> 02:25:00,319
early days from previous

4120
02:25:00,319 --> 02:25:03,120
administrations, but they used to call

4121
02:25:03,120 --> 02:25:05,120
Quesville City Corporation because they

4122
02:25:05,120 --> 02:25:07,200
ran it like a business and they ran it

4123
02:25:07,200 --> 02:25:09,200
specifically based on revenue. And if

4124
02:25:09,200 --> 02:25:11,120
they had the revenue, that's what the

4125
02:25:11,120 --> 02:25:13,920
budget was. And if it meant we had to

4126
02:25:13,920 --> 02:25:16,720
increase the budget to cover, that's

4127
02:25:16,720 --> 02:25:18,560
when they would do a tax review. But

4128
02:25:18,560 --> 02:25:20,479
basically, new growth covered most of

4129
02:25:20,479 --> 02:25:21,920
everything at that point.

4130
02:25:21,920 --> 02:25:24,240
>> But it was more than 1%. New growth it

4131
02:25:24,240 --> 02:25:27,280
sometimes was 5% 6%.

4132
02:25:27,280 --> 02:25:27,680
>> Yeah.

4133
02:25:27,680 --> 02:25:30,000
>> But and it's like it's really hard when

4134
02:25:30,000 --> 02:25:31,439
you have all your neighbors and they're

4135
02:25:31,439 --> 02:25:33,520
all on a budget and if if I don't make

4136
02:25:33,520 --> 02:25:35,840
my budget at my house,

4137
02:25:35,840 --> 02:25:37,840
>> I can't ask my neighbors to make up the

4138
02:25:37,840 --> 02:25:39,359
budget. Well, that's what we're doing

4139
02:25:39,359 --> 02:25:41,600
here. We're asking our neighbors to make

4140
02:25:41,600 --> 02:25:44,160
up the city's budget because we can't

4141
02:25:44,160 --> 02:25:47,200
also pay for the past example you just

4142
02:25:47,200 --> 02:25:49,120
past example but that's how they ran it

4143
02:25:49,120 --> 02:25:51,200
and that's why I'm trying to figure out

4144
02:25:51,200 --> 02:25:54,000
>> in a 5year fouryear plan somehow to get

4145
02:25:54,000 --> 02:25:56,640
these revenues up so that we're at net

4146
02:25:56,640 --> 02:25:59,120
zero so that when these projects come up

4147
02:25:59,120 --> 02:26:01,920
like a fire station or the shops we're

4148
02:26:01,920 --> 02:26:02,800
saying

4149
02:26:02,800 --> 02:26:04,720
>> okay we're going to do truth and

4150
02:26:04,720 --> 02:26:07,120
taxation to cover inflation stay at net

4151
02:26:07,120 --> 02:26:09,280
zero but we're also going to have to

4152
02:26:09,280 --> 02:26:11,760
bond on for this, but it seems like

4153
02:26:11,760 --> 02:26:14,080
we're doing we're just never getting

4154
02:26:14,080 --> 02:26:15,439
ahead ever.

4155
02:26:15,439 --> 02:26:17,040
>> It's frustrating.

4156
02:26:17,040 --> 02:26:18,319
>> Believe me, it's so frustrating.

4157
02:26:18,319 --> 02:26:20,399
>> I woke up at 4 in the morning and I had

4158
02:26:20,399 --> 02:26:22,160
all this stuff out. I mean, I've been up

4159
02:26:22,160 --> 02:26:23,760
since

4160
02:26:23,760 --> 02:26:24,640
crap. It's four.

4161
02:26:24,640 --> 02:26:26,080
>> Yeah. Ask my husband. I haven't slept

4162
02:26:26,080 --> 02:26:28,000
for a long time. This is really

4163
02:26:28,000 --> 02:26:29,840
frustrating. And what's frustrating is I

4164
02:26:29,840 --> 02:26:31,359
don't know how to fix it because of the

4165
02:26:31,359 --> 02:26:33,120
nature of the way our community is built

4166
02:26:33,120 --> 02:26:33,920
out.

4167
02:26:33,920 --> 02:26:35,520
>> I don't know how we fix it unless we cut

4168
02:26:35,520 --> 02:26:38,560
services. But what are we going to cut?

4169
02:26:38,560 --> 02:26:39,520
the right.

4170
02:26:39,520 --> 02:26:40,800
>> We do need to have that conversation.

4171
02:26:40,800 --> 02:26:42,880
>> Cut C cut the parade. Cut the I don't

4172
02:26:42,880 --> 02:26:45,439
know. What do we cut? We We've cut

4173
02:26:45,439 --> 02:26:47,040
already quite a few things. We used to

4174
02:26:47,040 --> 02:26:48,800
do a tree lighting ceremony. We used to

4175
02:26:48,800 --> 02:26:51,760
do a a New Year's Eve big block party.

4176
02:26:51,760 --> 02:26:53,439
We used to do a lot of things that we

4177
02:26:53,439 --> 02:26:55,840
don't do anymore. And things are so much

4178
02:26:55,840 --> 02:26:57,600
more expensive than they used to be. So,

4179
02:26:57,600 --> 02:27:02,080
I don't know how to fix it

4180
02:27:02,080 --> 02:27:06,479
without lowering the level of service.

4181
02:27:06,479 --> 02:27:09,120
And maybe I don't know. What do you do?

4182
02:27:09,120 --> 02:27:14,550
Just tell people, "Okay, well,

4183
02:27:14,560 --> 02:27:15,920
» I don't know. I I don't I know that

4184
02:27:15,920 --> 02:27:17,040
that's not what our community is."

4185
02:27:17,040 --> 02:27:18,640
>> You said enough time and money, you can

4186
02:27:18,640 --> 02:27:19,760
do anything.

4187
02:27:19,760 --> 02:27:21,359
>> Well, maybe we should have a detailed

4188
02:27:21,359 --> 02:27:23,280
conversation of what lowering service

4189
02:27:23,280 --> 02:27:24,240
looks like

4190
02:27:24,240 --> 02:27:25,840
>> because we keep saying that, but I

4191
02:27:25,840 --> 02:27:27,120
really don't know what that means.

4192
02:27:27,120 --> 02:27:28,720
>> I I don't I don't either because what do

4193
02:27:28,720 --> 02:27:30,640
you do? You You don't have first

4194
02:27:30,640 --> 02:27:33,040
responders. You can't do that. you you

4195
02:27:33,040 --> 02:27:36,560
don't have um parks because people like

4196
02:27:36,560 --> 02:27:39,359
parks and you you sell parks, you sell

4197
02:27:39,359 --> 02:27:41,760
properties. I mean, that's not good. I

4198
02:27:41,760 --> 02:27:44,240
know some cities have resorted to those

4199
02:27:44,240 --> 02:27:46,880
things, but those are also one time, you

4200
02:27:46,880 --> 02:27:48,160
know, cuts.

4201
02:27:48,160 --> 02:27:50,479
>> I mean, I as a city, I've always said

4202
02:27:50,479 --> 02:27:51,840
you never want to sell any of your

4203
02:27:51,840 --> 02:27:54,160
property, but on the other hand, I'm not

4204
02:27:54,160 --> 02:27:55,600
sure what we're doing with that piece of

4205
02:27:55,600 --> 02:27:57,680
the top of Crestwood. Maybe that's how

4206
02:27:57,680 --> 02:27:59,359
you pay for a fire station. I don't

4207
02:27:59,359 --> 02:28:00,399
know. I hate

4208
02:28:00,399 --> 02:28:02,000
>> that's what Farmington did. Farmington

4209
02:28:02,000 --> 02:28:03,439
sold some property.

4210
02:28:03,439 --> 02:28:04,640
>> Did they sold that

4211
02:28:04,640 --> 02:28:06,240
>> piece out on North Main?

4212
02:28:06,240 --> 02:28:06,880
>> They did.

4213
02:28:06,880 --> 02:28:09,600
>> The old farm potter farm out there and

4214
02:28:09,600 --> 02:28:10,319
>> pot of fire.

4215
02:28:10,319 --> 02:28:12,240
>> I mean, is that Crestwood property deed

4216
02:28:12,240 --> 02:28:12,960
restricted though?

4217
02:28:12,960 --> 02:28:14,479
>> Well, that particular one is, but we've

4218
02:28:14,479 --> 02:28:16,080
got pocket parks. I mean, we have

4219
02:28:16,080 --> 02:28:18,319
properties that the city owns. Of

4220
02:28:18,319 --> 02:28:19,520
course, we don't want to part with

4221
02:28:19,520 --> 02:28:20,720
things, but

4222
02:28:20,720 --> 02:28:22,960
>> I know I've always been in the habit of

4223
02:28:22,960 --> 02:28:24,160
ever since,

4224
02:28:24,160 --> 02:28:25,760
>> but that's what that's what cities do.

4225
02:28:25,760 --> 02:28:27,600
>> We probably have five extra acres that

4226
02:28:27,600 --> 02:28:29,680
sit behind the shops down there. Yeah.

4227
02:28:29,680 --> 02:28:31,920
>> I mean, I don't know. lease. We lease to

4228
02:28:31,920 --> 02:28:33,280
a landscape company. I don't know what

4229
02:28:33,280 --> 02:28:34,399
our lease prices are

4230
02:28:34,399 --> 02:28:37,680
>> in our projections of 20, 30 years. Are

4231
02:28:37,680 --> 02:28:39,359
we ever going to use that property? If

4232
02:28:39,359 --> 02:28:41,359
not, do we need to make it work for us

4233
02:28:41,359 --> 02:28:42,640
otherwise? I don't know.

4234
02:28:42,640 --> 02:28:44,240
>> I think we are planning on using that as

4235
02:28:44,240 --> 02:28:46,240
part of the off center buildout. Yeah.

4236
02:28:46,240 --> 02:28:48,000
>> I mean, and if you start selling parks,

4237
02:28:48,000 --> 02:28:50,080
obviously obviously bad, but that's kind

4238
02:28:50,080 --> 02:28:51,520
of like dipping into fund balance. It's

4239
02:28:51,520 --> 02:28:53,359
like, well, one time use and that's gone

4240
02:28:53,359 --> 02:28:54,160
forever now.

4241
02:28:54,160 --> 02:28:55,760
>> Well, but if you put it into a long-term

4242
02:28:55,760 --> 02:28:57,280
capital project, I'm not suggesting we

4243
02:28:57,280 --> 02:28:59,760
do it. I'm not suggesting we do it. It

4244
02:28:59,760 --> 02:29:00,479
is a one time.

4245
02:29:00,479 --> 02:29:02,399
>> Well, you also, like you say, you sell

4246
02:29:02,399 --> 02:29:03,840
that piece at the top of the Crestwood

4247
02:29:03,840 --> 02:29:05,680
Road. Yes, increase, but it also

4248
02:29:05,680 --> 02:29:08,160
increases more more uh property tax,

4249
02:29:08,160 --> 02:29:10,319
more revenue, but it also increases the

4250
02:29:10,319 --> 02:29:12,160
need for services and all that stuff,

4251
02:29:12,160 --> 02:29:13,600
but you have to look at what is your

4252
02:29:13,600 --> 02:29:14,080
return.

4253
02:29:14,080 --> 02:29:16,000
>> So, we got to look at our impact fees.

4254
02:29:16,000 --> 02:29:18,399
>> Exactly. I think we increase impact fees

4255
02:29:18,399 --> 02:29:20,000
>> since it's not built out that way.

4256
02:29:20,000 --> 02:29:21,680
>> Impact fees are huge

4257
02:29:21,680 --> 02:29:24,000
>> or we need to attract more businesses on

4258
02:29:24,000 --> 02:29:24,800
North.

4259
02:29:24,800 --> 02:29:26,000
>> We do. We need more business

4260
02:29:26,000 --> 02:29:27,120
>> because we can't get more businesses

4261
02:29:27,120 --> 02:29:29,600
here. No, but North Beam could.

4262
02:29:29,600 --> 02:29:31,040
>> Yeah,

4263
02:29:31,040 --> 02:29:33,359
>> but we the ways to do that are to create

4264
02:29:33,359 --> 02:29:36,000
those CRAAS so that we can open up

4265
02:29:36,000 --> 02:29:38,720
opportunities for redevelopment and for

4266
02:29:38,720 --> 02:29:40,720
entities to help us redevelop.

4267
02:29:40,720 --> 02:29:42,479
>> We also have to have buyin from the

4268
02:29:42,479 --> 02:29:44,160
property owners unless we want to

4269
02:29:44,160 --> 02:29:47,280
exercise eminent domain, which no

4270
02:29:47,280 --> 02:29:48,399
why I said that out loud. It's like I

4271
02:29:48,399 --> 02:29:48,800
swear

4272
02:29:48,800 --> 02:29:50,240
>> building out down there and it's not

4273
02:29:50,240 --> 02:29:53,040
service. It's it's not income tax

4274
02:29:53,040 --> 02:29:53,840
income. Right.

4275
02:29:53,840 --> 02:29:54,640
>> Right.

4276
02:29:54,640 --> 02:29:56,720
>> We need more taxable income businesses

4277
02:29:56,720 --> 02:29:57,359
there. Yes.

4278
02:29:57,359 --> 02:29:59,280
>> Not just businesses.

4279
02:29:59,280 --> 02:29:59,920
>> Yes,

4280
02:29:59,920 --> 02:30:00,560
>> that's what we need.

4281
02:30:00,560 --> 02:30:01,600
>> I mean, I think we could have gotten

4282
02:30:01,600 --> 02:30:03,680
that CRA across the finish line if we

4283
02:30:03,680 --> 02:30:05,200
didn't include a bunch of people's

4284
02:30:05,200 --> 02:30:06,479
homes.

4285
02:30:06,479 --> 02:30:08,479
>> Yeah, that is true.

4286
02:30:08,479 --> 02:30:11,120
>> I mean, so and and that CRA, remember,

4287
02:30:11,120 --> 02:30:13,920
was just kind of like uh not a lot,

4288
02:30:13,920 --> 02:30:15,680
right? We weren't projecting what more

4289
02:30:15,680 --> 02:30:17,200
than a little more than $5 million

4290
02:30:17,200 --> 02:30:18,319
maybe,

4291
02:30:18,319 --> 02:30:18,960
>> right?

4292
02:30:18,960 --> 02:30:21,760
>> And new uh property tax revenue. So,

4293
02:30:21,760 --> 02:30:22,560
>> it's

4294
02:30:22,560 --> 02:30:24,720
>> I thought it was maybe up to 10, but

4295
02:30:24,720 --> 02:30:27,040
>> yeah, just pretty limited in

4296
02:30:27,040 --> 02:30:28,560
opportunity. There's a couple key

4297
02:30:28,560 --> 02:30:29,840
properties that maybe one day will

4298
02:30:29,840 --> 02:30:34,160
develop and be uh something great, but

4299
02:30:34,160 --> 02:30:35,920
>> there are little slivers of properties

4300
02:30:35,920 --> 02:30:37,760
though around the city that we're not

4301
02:30:37,760 --> 02:30:38,960
maintaining. We're not doing anything

4302
02:30:38,960 --> 02:30:41,760
with that property owners may be willing

4303
02:30:41,760 --> 02:30:44,640
just to buy them that we're not we can't

4304
02:30:44,640 --> 02:30:47,200
do anything with them. Just little tiny

4305
02:30:47,200 --> 02:30:49,520
>> 10x10 pieces of property.

4306
02:30:49,520 --> 02:30:52,960
>> It's true. Unless it's blocking a road.

4307
02:30:52,960 --> 02:30:54,880
>> I know. What did you say?

4308
02:30:54,880 --> 02:30:58,099
>> Give it to him. That's

4309
02:30:58,099 --> 02:30:59,120
[laughter]

4310
02:30:59,120 --> 02:31:00,800
>> why Keville is a great place to live.

4311
02:31:00,800 --> 02:31:02,880
We're generous and we are a wonderful

4312
02:31:02,880 --> 02:31:03,280
community.

4313
02:31:03,280 --> 02:31:04,960
>> Give it to them. I like it. And then

4314
02:31:04,960 --> 02:31:06,800
increase the taxes on that property.

4315
02:31:06,800 --> 02:31:10,160
>> Yeah. On a commercial and then give it

4316
02:31:10,160 --> 02:31:12,479
to him. [laughter]

4317
02:31:12,479 --> 02:31:15,439
>> Anyway, well,

4318
02:31:15,439 --> 02:31:17,439
>> so we still have another slide to go

4319
02:31:17,439 --> 02:31:18,319
through, right?

4320
02:31:18,319 --> 02:31:21,280
>> What else do we have? this fund balance

4321
02:31:21,280 --> 02:31:22,960
tab if you want

4322
02:31:22,960 --> 02:31:24,560
>> to play the same game.

4323
02:31:24,560 --> 02:31:27,359
>> We were done.

4324
02:31:27,359 --> 02:31:30,080
>> So this is what is being budgeted with

4325
02:31:30,080 --> 02:31:33,760
fund paid for with fund balance

4326
02:31:33,760 --> 02:31:37,200
um for fiscal year 27th. You know, it

4327
02:31:37,200 --> 02:31:38,640
would be nice when we do have our

4328
02:31:38,640 --> 02:31:41,680
meetings with all the director heads

4329
02:31:41,680 --> 02:31:45,520
next year. Go line by line and hear the

4330
02:31:45,520 --> 02:31:48,880
justification and pros and cons of

4331
02:31:48,880 --> 02:31:49,520
keeping

4332
02:31:49,520 --> 02:31:51,760
>> that really would take a very long time.

4333
02:31:51,760 --> 02:31:53,760
>> Well, I'm willing to go through it

4334
02:31:53,760 --> 02:31:55,680
because considering the state we're in,

4335
02:31:55,680 --> 02:31:56,800
I think

4336
02:31:56,800 --> 02:32:00,160
>> Yes. And that's that's fair. I I mean, I

4337
02:32:00,160 --> 02:32:02,720
don't know if Jason wants to speak to

4338
02:32:02,720 --> 02:32:04,560
kind of our strategies for next year.

4339
02:32:04,560 --> 02:32:06,960
>> Yeah. I mean, great time adop bring that

4340
02:32:06,960 --> 02:32:09,760
up. I think we should we talked about

4341
02:32:09,760 --> 02:32:11,760
this earlier today and earlier this week

4342
02:32:11,760 --> 02:32:13,840
that I don't know if the council wants

4343
02:32:13,840 --> 02:32:16,240
to commit that kind of time. These are I

4344
02:32:16,240 --> 02:32:17,520
think I guess you're just thinking we

4345
02:32:17,520 --> 02:32:18,880
just don't spend enough time talking

4346
02:32:18,880 --> 02:32:21,439
about budget. So, let's schedule like 10

4347
02:32:21,439 --> 02:32:23,760
more of these. I don't I'm just joking

4348
02:32:23,760 --> 02:32:25,359
obviously, but I think if there were a

4349
02:32:25,359 --> 02:32:27,280
council member or two that wanted to be

4350
02:32:27,280 --> 02:32:28,560
a part of a committee

4351
02:32:28,560 --> 02:32:31,200
>> Yeah. that we could take a deep dive on

4352
02:32:31,200 --> 02:32:33,520
each line item, you know, and then

4353
02:32:33,520 --> 02:32:34,800
somebody could say, you know what, I've

4354
02:32:34,800 --> 02:32:36,560
seen it all. I'm feel I feel comfortable

4355
02:32:36,560 --> 02:32:38,240
or here's what we discovered. Kind of

4356
02:32:38,240 --> 02:32:41,040
report back cuz um

4357
02:32:41,040 --> 02:32:43,120
>> or maybe we kind of split it up and all

4358
02:32:43,120 --> 02:32:43,520
do

4359
02:32:43,520 --> 02:32:45,040
>> I'd like you to do it all.

4360
02:32:45,040 --> 02:32:46,800
>> What if we did it during our council

4361
02:32:46,800 --> 02:32:48,080
meetings

4362
02:32:48,080 --> 02:32:50,000
>> just like an hour before something

4363
02:32:50,000 --> 02:32:52,560
>> or something or just invite one of them

4364
02:32:52,560 --> 02:32:53,520
in

4365
02:32:53,520 --> 02:32:55,439
>> and we can talk about it then

4366
02:32:55,439 --> 02:32:57,359
incorporate it. Why are we doing the

4367
02:32:57,359 --> 02:32:59,920
200,000 concrete bleacher upgrade?

4368
02:32:59,920 --> 02:33:00,720
>> I don't know that.

4369
02:33:00,720 --> 02:33:03,520
>> Oh, it it's I forget how old Barnes Park

4370
02:33:03,520 --> 02:33:05,280
is, but those are just

4371
02:33:05,280 --> 02:33:08,319
>> 20 30 something year old, right? Um

4372
02:33:08,319 --> 02:33:10,640
they're deteriorating. It's a kind of a

4373
02:33:10,640 --> 02:33:12,960
tripping hazard and some concrete. And

4374
02:33:12,960 --> 02:33:14,640
>> there are concrete bleachers. I don't

4375
02:33:14,640 --> 02:33:15,920
even know where they are.

4376
02:33:15,920 --> 02:33:19,600
>> Are there concrete ones there now?

4377
02:33:19,600 --> 02:33:21,760
>> Are they just trying to replace the

4378
02:33:21,760 --> 02:33:24,319
aluminum ones with concrete? What if we

4379
02:33:24,319 --> 02:33:27,040
just put new aluminum ones in there?

4380
02:33:27,040 --> 02:33:28,240
Save us to do that.

4381
02:33:28,240 --> 02:33:29,520
>> Kick that down the road.

4382
02:33:29,520 --> 02:33:31,680
>> There's no way. 200 grand.

4383
02:33:31,680 --> 02:33:33,200
>> I just need to determine if there's a

4384
02:33:33,200 --> 02:33:34,240
safety hazard.

4385
02:33:34,240 --> 02:33:36,000
>> There definitely is.

4386
02:33:36,000 --> 02:33:38,080
>> It's a safety hazard. I know. That's why

4387
02:33:38,080 --> 02:33:39,280
it came up.

4388
02:33:39,280 --> 02:33:41,600
>> They've lasted 30 years already just

4389
02:33:41,600 --> 02:33:43,680
being aluminum. Put some new aluminum

4390
02:33:43,680 --> 02:33:44,479
ones in there.

4391
02:33:44,479 --> 02:33:45,200
>> Some duct tape.

4392
02:33:45,200 --> 02:33:47,840
>> Seeing it's like this one right here.

4393
02:33:47,840 --> 02:33:50,720
>> We spend a ton of money when we replace

4394
02:33:50,720 --> 02:33:53,120
this building to do this.

4395
02:33:53,120 --> 02:33:55,280
It works. Not great, but it works.

4396
02:33:55,280 --> 02:33:56,000
>> I know.

4397
02:33:56,000 --> 02:33:58,560
>> Take it out.

4398
02:33:58,560 --> 02:34:00,319
>> Yeah. Take it out.

4399
02:34:00,319 --> 02:34:01,120
>> Okie dokie.

4400
02:34:01,120 --> 02:34:02,479
>> The system.

4401
02:34:02,479 --> 02:34:04,560
>> I mean, yeah, because it doesn't work.

4402
02:34:04,560 --> 02:34:05,040
Great.

4403
02:34:05,040 --> 02:34:06,000
>> Well, what does that what does that

4404
02:34:06,000 --> 02:34:07,840
mean, take it out? Like, we still have

4405
02:34:07,840 --> 02:34:08,720
mics, right?

4406
02:34:08,720 --> 02:34:10,640
>> Well, the system we have now.

4407
02:34:10,640 --> 02:34:12,160
>> Oh, just not upgrade it.

4408
02:34:12,160 --> 02:34:14,560
>> Remember when we had the Symphony Homes

4409
02:34:14,560 --> 02:34:16,399
um public hearing and we actually lost

4410
02:34:16,399 --> 02:34:19,120
internet connection for like 20 minutes

4411
02:34:19,120 --> 02:34:21,200
or something? I mean, it's it's a

4412
02:34:21,200 --> 02:34:23,359
problem. Every time it's like, oh, is it

4413
02:34:23,359 --> 02:34:25,920
going to work tonight? And it's I mean,

4414
02:34:25,920 --> 02:34:28,880
we could wait, but ultimately, this is

4415
02:34:28,880 --> 02:34:30,399
not a system that's working.

4416
02:34:30,399 --> 02:34:31,600
>> How often does it happen?

4417
02:34:31,600 --> 02:34:34,160
>> That was one time.

4418
02:34:34,160 --> 02:34:35,840
>> We have a problem. Almost every

4419
02:34:35,840 --> 02:34:38,640
>> every

4420
02:34:38,640 --> 02:34:40,880
planning commission, any other meetings,

4421
02:34:40,880 --> 02:34:42,720
we have a problem. You guys just don't

4422
02:34:42,720 --> 02:34:43,359
see it,

4423
02:34:43,359 --> 02:34:44,800
>> right? Because there's so many things

4424
02:34:44,800 --> 02:34:46,560
duct taped together around here that

4425
02:34:46,560 --> 02:34:48,240
>> But how does it fix itself? I mean

4426
02:34:48,240 --> 02:34:50,160
that's what I'm saying. If it does get

4427
02:34:50,160 --> 02:34:52,720
fixed it is here all the time

4428
02:34:52,720 --> 02:34:54,880
>> in there for transparency. I think it's

4429
02:34:54,880 --> 02:34:56,240
a transparency.

4430
02:34:56,240 --> 02:34:58,399
>> The reason the reason why

4431
02:34:58,399 --> 02:35:00,000
>> the reason why we don't see it so much

4432
02:35:00,000 --> 02:35:03,270
during

4433
02:35:03,280 --> 02:35:05,120
» back to A I mean that's a great point.

4434
02:35:05,120 --> 02:35:07,840
All right. So we had it here every

4435
02:35:07,840 --> 02:35:09,040
single night we have council meeting.

4436
02:35:09,040 --> 02:35:10,160
They're back in the back room just

4437
02:35:10,160 --> 02:35:11,760
making sure everything's not going to

4438
02:35:11,760 --> 02:35:14,000
fall apart. They're not here during

4439
02:35:14,000 --> 02:35:16,080
planning commission meetings. And that

4440
02:35:16,080 --> 02:35:17,359
one meeting where we had the big

4441
02:35:17,359 --> 02:35:19,359
symphony meeting where there were gosh

4442
02:35:19,359 --> 02:35:21,680
what 50 people in the room

4443
02:35:21,680 --> 02:35:24,800
>> and we we we it went down. No one was

4444
02:35:24,800 --> 02:35:26,800
here from it and it just happened to be

4445
02:35:26,800 --> 02:35:28,560
that Ryan was in the area and he was

4446
02:35:28,560 --> 02:35:30,080
able to come right in and we only went

4447
02:35:30,080 --> 02:35:32,880
down for about 15 20 minutes and that

4448
02:35:32,880 --> 02:35:34,880
was a really lucky call. But I mean

4449
02:35:34,880 --> 02:35:36,560
obviously really bad optics for the city

4450
02:35:36,560 --> 02:35:37,840
that all of a sudden people are trying

4451
02:35:37,840 --> 02:35:39,840
to watch this important meeting and no

4452
02:35:39,840 --> 02:35:41,920
feed no explanation of what's going on.

4453
02:35:41,920 --> 02:35:42,399
So

4454
02:35:42,399 --> 02:35:43,760
>> I have a question. Are they recorded

4455
02:35:43,760 --> 02:35:45,680
though? Even though it goes down online,

4456
02:35:45,680 --> 02:35:46,800
is it still recorded?

4457
02:35:46,800 --> 02:35:47,439
>> Everything goes down.

4458
02:35:47,439 --> 02:35:48,960
>> It's down. Down. Systems down.

4459
02:35:48,960 --> 02:35:50,720
>> Are we paying over time for people to be

4460
02:35:50,720 --> 02:35:51,359
here?

4461
02:35:51,359 --> 02:35:52,399
>> Uh yeah.

4462
02:35:52,399 --> 02:35:54,640
>> So maybe maybe that does pay for itself.

4463
02:35:54,640 --> 02:35:57,520
I mean overtime know that we spent a lot

4464
02:35:57,520 --> 02:36:00,560
of money uh when we did the remodel to

4465
02:36:00,560 --> 02:36:01,680
get a whole new system.

4466
02:36:01,680 --> 02:36:02,800
>> That is not working.

4467
02:36:02,800 --> 02:36:05,200
>> Unfortunately, the value engineers money

4468
02:36:05,200 --> 02:36:05,680
back.

4469
02:36:05,680 --> 02:36:07,520
>> No kidding.

4470
02:36:07,520 --> 02:36:09,439
>> We didn't pay them.

4471
02:36:09,439 --> 02:36:10,640
>> Yeah, they didn't pay them for

4472
02:36:10,640 --> 02:36:12,479
>> We did not pay them. Yeah, we walked

4473
02:36:12,479 --> 02:36:13,200
away from it.

4474
02:36:13,200 --> 02:36:14,240
>> We Yeah,

4475
02:36:14,240 --> 02:36:15,680
>> they agreed.

4476
02:36:15,680 --> 02:36:18,160
>> It's It's something that's been a need

4477
02:36:18,160 --> 02:36:20,000
for many years and it just isn't going

4478
02:36:20,000 --> 02:36:21,680
to go away. We've tried different ways

4479
02:36:21,680 --> 02:36:23,120
to fix it.

4480
02:36:23,120 --> 02:36:25,040
>> But

4481
02:36:25,040 --> 02:36:25,520
the

4482
02:36:25,520 --> 02:36:27,600
>> Mike, we're all trying. I think we all

4483
02:36:27,600 --> 02:36:29,439
just value things differently.

4484
02:36:29,439 --> 02:36:31,760
>> Yeah. The three patrol, one detective

4485
02:36:31,760 --> 02:36:35,200
vehicle. Is there any way to squeeze out

4486
02:36:35,200 --> 02:36:36,800
>> a little more time?

4487
02:36:36,800 --> 02:36:40,000
>> No. So is that in addition to is that

4488
02:36:40,000 --> 02:36:42,560
351 there in addition to their already

4489
02:36:42,560 --> 02:36:44,080
vehicle that they have on their line

4490
02:36:44,080 --> 02:36:45,359
item or is that

4491
02:36:45,359 --> 02:36:46,479
>> that is the line item.

4492
02:36:46,479 --> 02:36:47,920
>> That's the line item. They they just

4493
02:36:47,920 --> 02:36:49,600
took that out of their budget.

4494
02:36:49,600 --> 02:36:51,520
>> No, I'm just I'm just suggesting fund

4495
02:36:51,520 --> 02:36:53,439
balance instead of choose taxation cuz

4496
02:36:53,439 --> 02:36:55,359
last year they took it out a little bit

4497
02:36:55,359 --> 02:36:57,920
to get rifle replacements instead of

4498
02:36:57,920 --> 02:37:00,000
equipment. So they did like last year

4499
02:37:00,000 --> 02:37:02,800
meaning fifth year 26 they did like one

4500
02:37:02,800 --> 02:37:05,439
vehicle instead of the four. And so now

4501
02:37:05,439 --> 02:37:06,960
we're putting that back in.

4502
02:37:06,960 --> 02:37:08,399
>> Okay, just to clarify, this is already

4503
02:37:08,399 --> 02:37:11,280
included in that 20%. What we're talking

4504
02:37:11,280 --> 02:37:12,560
about from fund balances,

4505
02:37:12,560 --> 02:37:14,720
>> none of this affects the 20%.

4506
02:37:14,720 --> 02:37:16,160
>> Okay, it's already included.

4507
02:37:16,160 --> 02:37:16,479
>> Yes.

4508
02:37:16,479 --> 02:37:19,600
>> Well, the issue No, the issue here is

4509
02:37:19,600 --> 02:37:21,520
we're using 991

4510
02:37:21,520 --> 02:37:24,720
>> from fund balance If you were to remove

4511
02:37:24,720 --> 02:37:27,439
some the the advantage of using the 991

4512
02:37:27,439 --> 02:37:29,600
right now is that there's a hypothetical

4513
02:37:29,600 --> 02:37:31,920
I'm saying hypothetical that it will

4514
02:37:31,920 --> 02:37:34,319
follow next year's plan which is that we

4515
02:37:34,319 --> 02:37:37,280
were off by 900ish,000.

4516
02:37:37,280 --> 02:37:38,640
>> We won't be voting.

4517
02:37:38,640 --> 02:37:38,960
>> You're saying

4518
02:37:38,960 --> 02:37:41,040
>> not for 27 for 26.

4519
02:37:41,040 --> 02:37:42,160
>> For 26 yeah

4520
02:37:42,160 --> 02:37:44,000
>> for 26 we may be off.

4521
02:37:44,000 --> 02:37:44,720
>> Correct.

4522
02:37:44,720 --> 02:37:46,640
>> So which would mean that this actually

4523
02:37:46,640 --> 02:37:48,319
wouldn't end up coming from found

4524
02:37:48,319 --> 02:37:49,520
balance.

4525
02:37:49,520 --> 02:37:51,760
>> It would it would wash itself away. Can

4526
02:37:51,760 --> 02:37:53,439
we just go through this line by line and

4527
02:37:53,439 --> 02:37:55,120
do a stronghold on each thing and talk

4528
02:37:55,120 --> 02:37:57,520
about it because I feel like we're going

4529
02:37:57,520 --> 02:37:59,840
through different all we're all over the

4530
02:37:59,840 --> 02:38:00,240
place

4531
02:38:00,240 --> 02:38:03,600
>> from efficient.

4532
02:38:03,600 --> 02:38:06,720
>> This is 991 fund balance from

4533
02:38:06,720 --> 02:38:09,359
>> that's a one time that's a one time

4534
02:38:09,359 --> 02:38:11,120
purchase that would drop that right

4535
02:38:11,120 --> 02:38:13,280
there. All of these are one,

4536
02:38:13,280 --> 02:38:14,720
>> right? We want to get rid of as many

4537
02:38:14,720 --> 02:38:16,479
things on here as we can, but I think we

4538
02:38:16,479 --> 02:38:17,920
need to go through one at a time.

4539
02:38:17,920 --> 02:38:20,479
>> We did go. Yes, we can. That's fine. But

4540
02:38:20,479 --> 02:38:22,479
we did present this at the March meeting

4541
02:38:22,479 --> 02:38:24,160
and department had spoke to each of

4542
02:38:24,160 --> 02:38:25,040
these items,

4543
02:38:25,040 --> 02:38:26,080
>> right? I don't know that we need a

4544
02:38:26,080 --> 02:38:27,920
detailed explanation so much as a straw

4545
02:38:27,920 --> 02:38:29,439
poll of what are we keeping, what are we

4546
02:38:29,439 --> 02:38:30,080
getting rid of.

4547
02:38:30,080 --> 02:38:31,359
>> Great.

4548
02:38:31,359 --> 02:38:32,880
>> Fire station fix.

4549
02:38:32,880 --> 02:38:35,040
>> I think it

4550
02:38:35,040 --> 02:38:37,040
>> pretty bad. I think the walls falling

4551
02:38:37,040 --> 02:38:37,840
off.

4552
02:38:37,840 --> 02:38:38,720
>> Okay.

4553
02:38:38,720 --> 02:38:41,280
>> The walls coming up. There's water

4554
02:38:41,280 --> 02:38:42,640
damage.

4555
02:38:42,640 --> 02:38:45,439
>> I thought it was cosmetic only

4556
02:38:45,439 --> 02:38:46,000
funds.

4557
02:38:46,000 --> 02:38:47,359
>> This is This is

4558
02:38:47,359 --> 02:38:49,040
>> The thing about some of these too is

4559
02:38:49,040 --> 02:38:51,200
like if we don't fix that, you know,

4560
02:38:51,200 --> 02:38:54,080
water damaged um wall, it's just going

4561
02:38:54,080 --> 02:38:57,200
to get worse and more expensive. And so,

4562
02:38:57,200 --> 02:38:58,640
>> okay,

4563
02:38:58,640 --> 02:39:00,319
>> keep raise your hand if you want to keep

4564
02:39:00,319 --> 02:39:01,280
it,

4565
02:39:01,280 --> 02:39:01,680
>> I guess.

4566
02:39:01,680 --> 02:39:04,240
>> Or nod your head.

4567
02:39:04,240 --> 02:39:07,990
>> I guess

4568
02:39:08,000 --> 02:39:10,160
replacements. What's that?

4569
02:39:10,160 --> 02:39:11,760
>> That right there is they got to replace

4570
02:39:11,760 --> 02:39:13,680
some units in the police station.

4571
02:39:13,680 --> 02:39:15,439
>> No, this these two are

4572
02:39:15,439 --> 02:39:17,359
>> This is the fire station, right?

4573
02:39:17,359 --> 02:39:19,120
>> I think this was the wreck building and

4574
02:39:19,120 --> 02:39:21,439
public works.

4575
02:39:21,439 --> 02:39:23,040
>> But I remember Cole talking about it.

4576
02:39:23,040 --> 02:39:26,000
>> HVAC wreck building and public isn't

4577
02:39:26,000 --> 02:39:27,600
public works in a new building.

4578
02:39:27,600 --> 02:39:30,160
>> Are we the old building where they're

4579
02:39:30,160 --> 02:39:31,600
basically working in closet?

4580
02:39:31,600 --> 02:39:32,880
>> No, I know that.

4581
02:39:32,880 --> 02:39:34,479
>> Are we going to be remodeling that soon

4582
02:39:34,479 --> 02:39:34,960
though?

4583
02:39:34,960 --> 02:39:36,640
>> You guys just took it off.

4584
02:39:36,640 --> 02:39:38,880
>> Oh, we did take it off. [laughter] No,

4585
02:39:38,880 --> 02:39:40,479
wait. No, we didn't. No, we didn't.

4586
02:39:40,479 --> 02:39:41,200
>> No, we didn't.

4587
02:39:41,200 --> 02:39:42,560
>> If if the fire

4588
02:39:42,560 --> 02:39:44,000
>> No, no, no, no, no. We

4589
02:39:44,000 --> 02:39:46,080
>> We talked about adding bonds together.

4590
02:39:46,080 --> 02:39:47,920
>> Yeah, we mistake.

4591
02:39:47,920 --> 02:39:49,840
>> We said don't take the 75.

4592
02:39:49,840 --> 02:39:51,439
>> So, if we're going to if we're going to

4593
02:39:51,439 --> 02:39:52,880
remodel their building, we don't need to

4594
02:39:52,880 --> 02:39:55,040
give them new HVAC systems right now,

4595
02:39:55,040 --> 02:39:56,319
right?

4596
02:39:56,319 --> 02:39:57,760
>> Is it making is

4597
02:39:57,760 --> 02:40:00,160
>> the section that we're remodeling might

4598
02:40:00,160 --> 02:40:00,800
different?

4599
02:40:00,800 --> 02:40:01,680
>> Is it different?

4600
02:40:01,680 --> 02:40:03,280
>> I don't know. it. I thought Jason I

4601
02:40:03,280 --> 02:40:06,240
thought you said they would start right away.

4602
02:40:06,240 --> 02:40:08,560
>> But remodeling isn't like the full

4603
02:40:08,560 --> 02:40:10,720
kitten kaboodleoodle. It's like adding

4604
02:40:10,720 --> 02:40:13,200
space, adding office space, taking out

4605
02:40:13,200 --> 02:40:16,720
the front, making that driveway bigger,

4606
02:40:16,720 --> 02:40:18,960
the asphalt, the yard, the covered

4607
02:40:18,960 --> 02:40:21,600
spaces, right? It's not like plumbing,

4608
02:40:21,600 --> 02:40:23,120
electric.

4609
02:40:23,120 --> 02:40:24,319
>> You're talking about

4610
02:40:24,319 --> 02:40:26,880
>> the the design was adding office spaces,

4611
02:40:26,880 --> 02:40:28,880
>> right? But if we add office spaces,

4612
02:40:28,880 --> 02:40:30,000
don't we need new

4613
02:40:30,000 --> 02:40:32,399
>> space on the

4614
02:40:32,399 --> 02:40:33,120
>> Yes, it does.

4615
02:40:33,120 --> 02:40:34,960
>> Yeah, that's all part of the million.

4616
02:40:34,960 --> 02:40:37,359
>> I I can't speak to it. I'm sorry. I'm trying.

4617
02:40:37,359 --> 02:40:41,040
>> Yeah, I I try to remember. Um there were

4618
02:40:41,040 --> 02:40:43,280
a good reason. I wish Cole were here on

4619
02:40:43,280 --> 02:40:43,760
this.

4620
02:40:43,760 --> 02:40:45,760
>> Um he said it's one at the op center

4621
02:40:45,760 --> 02:40:47,840
that's 34 years old and one at the wreck

4622
02:40:47,840 --> 02:40:50,080
building that's lost its condenser. So

4623
02:40:50,080 --> 02:40:52,160
these are like they don't work.

4624
02:40:52,160 --> 02:40:54,640
>> Yeah, they don't work. Okay, we need to

4625
02:40:54,640 --> 02:40:57,840
do that. Yep. Okay.

4626
02:40:57,840 --> 02:41:00,000
We talked about council chamber AV.

4627
02:41:00,000 --> 02:41:02,319
>> Do we all want to put out the bid?

4628
02:41:02,319 --> 02:41:03,200
>> Say something else.

4629
02:41:03,200 --> 02:41:04,880
>> Well, there's I mean

4630
02:41:04,880 --> 02:41:07,520
>> it's one vendor I think that

4631
02:41:07,520 --> 02:41:09,600
>> we got a quote to get a budget number.

4632
02:41:09,600 --> 02:41:11,680
>> Oh, he's done bids. Yes. Sorry. He's

4633
02:41:11,680 --> 02:41:12,399
done bids.

4634
02:41:12,399 --> 02:41:14,479
>> He's looked at several people and he's

4635
02:41:14,479 --> 02:41:17,600
done this for a long time and

4636
02:41:17,600 --> 02:41:19,680
>> we're at our wits end with this. And

4637
02:41:19,680 --> 02:41:22,000
this one, if I remember right, the

4638
02:41:22,000 --> 02:41:26,080
council chambers and the EOC, if we do

4639
02:41:26,080 --> 02:41:28,080
Yeah, if we do both, it's a cheaper

4640
02:41:28,080 --> 02:41:29,200
deal.

4641
02:41:29,200 --> 02:41:30,960
>> But that price doesn't include both.

4642
02:41:30,960 --> 02:41:33,120
That's just for council chambers.

4643
02:41:33,120 --> 02:41:35,439
>> The 115, I think,

4644
02:41:35,439 --> 02:41:37,680
>> assumes we do EOC, which is down a

4645
02:41:37,680 --> 02:41:38,479
little bit more.

4646
02:41:38,479 --> 02:41:40,960
>> So, we don't do both.

4647
02:41:40,960 --> 02:41:42,479
>> Oh, okay. EOC is 156.

4648
02:41:42,479 --> 02:41:44,720
>> Yeah. L 12. Sorry.

4649
02:41:44,720 --> 02:41:47,439
>> So, the 115 plus 156.

4650
02:41:47,439 --> 02:41:47,920
>> Mhm.

4651
02:41:47,920 --> 02:41:49,040
>> Okay. Okay. That means we keep them

4652
02:41:49,040 --> 02:41:50,080
both. That's what you're saying.

4653
02:41:50,080 --> 02:41:51,520
Correct. Because we can't be in a

4654
02:41:51,520 --> 02:41:52,960
minute. Okay.

4655
02:41:52,960 --> 02:41:57,120
>> Okay. Fuel master software. What's that?

4656
02:41:57,120 --> 02:41:59,439
>> Um, so right now we have an old fuel

4657
02:41:59,439 --> 02:42:06,309
master software which is the

4658
02:42:06,319 --> 02:42:07,520
» what? No.

4659
02:42:07,520 --> 02:42:09,600
>> No. It's connected to the fuel pumps

4660
02:42:09,600 --> 02:42:11,359
that tell, you know, they type in their

4661
02:42:11,359 --> 02:42:12,880
pen and they type in how many miles they

4662
02:42:12,880 --> 02:42:15,280
have and then it feeds in. Um, right now

4663
02:42:15,280 --> 02:42:18,880
it lives on Citrix. It's really old.

4664
02:42:18,880 --> 02:42:20,720
We're trying to get rid of Citrix, which

4665
02:42:20,720 --> 02:42:23,040
kind of forces our hand to upgrade this

4666
02:42:23,040 --> 02:42:27,280
to a clouds base. Um, it affects anyone

4667
02:42:27,280 --> 02:42:29,760
that fills up their fuel. It helps our

4668
02:42:29,760 --> 02:42:32,399
mechanics because it can easily give

4669
02:42:32,399 --> 02:42:34,399
them the mileage of each vehicle, which

4670
02:42:34,399 --> 02:42:36,160
helps us create more of a maintenance

4671
02:42:36,160 --> 02:42:37,920
schedule so we can start reaching out

4672
02:42:37,920 --> 02:42:39,600
like your local Jiffy Lube and say,

4673
02:42:39,600 --> 02:42:42,880
"Hey, you're at 5,000. You're due for

4674
02:42:42,880 --> 02:42:44,479
cuz right now it's kind of the honor

4675
02:42:44,479 --> 02:42:46,160
system. you got to bring it in when your

4676
02:42:46,160 --> 02:42:47,920
sticker says you're due. A lot of people

4677
02:42:47,920 --> 02:42:52,399
don't. Therefore, our um maintenance

4678
02:42:52,399 --> 02:42:54,319
costs are up because they're going over

4679
02:42:54,319 --> 02:42:55,680
mileage, blah blah blah.

4680
02:42:55,680 --> 02:42:57,040
>> Does it eliminate

4681
02:42:57,040 --> 02:42:58,399
>> should let those employees be held

4682
02:42:58,399 --> 02:43:00,160
accountable, though? I think it's if you

4683
02:43:00,160 --> 02:43:01,520
have a car, you should be held

4684
02:43:01,520 --> 02:43:02,720
accountable if you're not.

4685
02:43:02,720 --> 02:43:04,319
>> That is very good point.

4686
02:43:04,319 --> 02:43:06,000
>> Does it create efficiencies? Can we

4687
02:43:06,000 --> 02:43:09,840
eliminate a position or hours with a new

4688
02:43:09,840 --> 02:43:12,720
system, software system? Um,

4689
02:43:12,720 --> 02:43:16,080
>> or no, it's just a double check.

4690
02:43:16,080 --> 02:43:18,160
>> Um, I think we'll lower maintenance

4691
02:43:18,160 --> 02:43:21,439
costs for sure. I think we'll improve

4692
02:43:21,439 --> 02:43:24,240
tracking of fuel and who's using it and

4693
02:43:24,240 --> 02:43:27,359
how much. I think we'll improve

4694
02:43:27,359 --> 02:43:30,000
Yeah, there's a lot of positives to it.

4695
02:43:30,000 --> 02:43:32,000
I mean, reporting itself is going to be

4696
02:43:32,000 --> 02:43:34,399
a lot better, which will show us who's

4697
02:43:34,399 --> 02:43:36,319
using the fuel and how often and how

4698
02:43:36,319 --> 02:43:40,800
much and which vehicles and

4699
02:43:40,800 --> 02:43:43,147
You're doing so well. Okay. UPS

4700
02:43:43,147 --> 02:43:45,279
[laughter] battery backup.

4701
02:43:45,279 --> 02:43:48,880
>> Um gosh, I wish I remember this. I'm so

4702
02:43:48,880 --> 02:43:49,920
sorry, Ryan.

4703
02:43:49,920 --> 02:43:52,319
>> Yeah. Um I believe that one was just

4704
02:43:52,319 --> 02:43:54,000
it's we don't have it anymore. It's or

4705
02:43:54,000 --> 02:43:57,120
it's not working. And so if the police

4706
02:43:57,120 --> 02:43:59,840
go down in order for them to continue

4707
02:43:59,840 --> 02:44:02,960
operating, um

4708
02:44:02,960 --> 02:44:04,479
need the battery back up.

4709
02:44:04,479 --> 02:44:05,439
>> Yeah.

4710
02:44:05,439 --> 02:44:07,200
>> Okay. So, if they're telling us they

4711
02:44:07,200 --> 02:44:07,680
need that,

4712
02:44:07,680 --> 02:44:10,080
>> right?

4713
02:44:10,080 --> 02:44:13,279
>> Barnes Tower. This one, um, some money,

4714
02:44:13,279 --> 02:44:15,120
>> we talked about that. Yeah, it's going

4715
02:44:15,120 --> 02:44:16,560
to fall over.

4716
02:44:16,560 --> 02:44:19,439
>> Yeah, some money is in fiscal year 26.

4717
02:44:19,439 --> 02:44:22,240
This is just the increase of the cost of

4718
02:44:22,240 --> 02:44:26,240
concrete for fiscal year 27. Being

4719
02:44:26,240 --> 02:44:29,200
transparent, Cole did say this is one

4720
02:44:29,200 --> 02:44:31,200
that he could hold off on.

4721
02:44:31,200 --> 02:44:32,479
>> Okay.

4722
02:44:32,479 --> 02:44:34,479
>> The whole 200 grant.

4723
02:44:34,479 --> 02:44:35,600
>> Yes.

4724
02:44:35,600 --> 02:44:36,000
Wow.

4725
02:44:36,000 --> 02:44:36,960
>> Right, Jason?

4726
02:44:36,960 --> 02:44:39,680
>> Yeah, it's one that obviously it's it's

4727
02:44:39,680 --> 02:44:43,840
really old and but

4728
02:44:43,840 --> 02:44:44,399
>> forever.

4729
02:44:44,399 --> 02:44:46,960
>> Sorry. This 200,000 is the concrete trip

4730
02:44:46,960 --> 02:44:49,359
tripping hazards making each entry point

4731
02:44:49,359 --> 02:44:52,720
ADA accessibles. The bleachers was 27 I

4732
02:44:52,720 --> 02:44:54,880
mean 26. So this one is the tripping

4733
02:44:54,880 --> 02:44:57,040
hazards. The concrete around the area is

4734
02:44:57,040 --> 02:45:01,040
ADA compliant or accessible trails to

4735
02:45:01,040 --> 02:45:02,640
around the park. Oh wow.

4736
02:45:02,640 --> 02:45:04,160
>> But you said it's not urgent.

4737
02:45:04,160 --> 02:45:06,160
>> Yes. You're saying somebody delay this?

4738
02:45:06,160 --> 02:45:06,640
>> Yes.

4739
02:45:06,640 --> 02:45:08,800
>> Oh, only 26 grand of it or

4740
02:45:08,800 --> 02:45:10,479
>> 200,000? Sorry, 200.

4741
02:45:10,479 --> 02:45:11,840
>> My cursor is on the wrong line.

4742
02:45:11,840 --> 02:45:12,479
>> Okay.

4743
02:45:12,479 --> 02:45:16,800
>> Um Okay. So, if we took that 200 out,

4744
02:45:16,800 --> 02:45:22,309
could we keep the amount at 991?

4745
02:45:22,319 --> 02:45:23,600
» If you want 911,

4746
02:45:23,600 --> 02:45:25,920
>> you want to keep it at 99. The reason I

4747
02:45:25,920 --> 02:45:27,520
want to keep it at the only reason I've

4748
02:45:27,520 --> 02:45:29,920
thought about keeping it at 991 is it is

4749
02:45:29,920 --> 02:45:31,840
if and maybe I'm not understanding this

4750
02:45:31,840 --> 02:45:33,680
right but I was under the impression

4751
02:45:33,680 --> 02:45:36,880
that we've consistently

4752
02:45:36,880 --> 02:45:38,880
come up with

4753
02:45:38,880 --> 02:45:41,279
that last year we anticipated it was

4754
02:45:41,279 --> 02:45:44,479
going to be like 1.7 something 1.9

4755
02:45:44,479 --> 02:45:47,120
something remember and it came back and

4756
02:45:47,120 --> 02:45:48,960
it was only

4757
02:45:48,960 --> 02:45:50,720
>> well and and as I'm sitting here looking

4758
02:45:50,720 --> 02:45:52,720
at this John I'm looking at every one of

4759
02:45:52,720 --> 02:45:54,800
these as one time items

4760
02:45:54,800 --> 02:45:56,399
>> I I don't understand why we're

4761
02:45:56,399 --> 02:45:59,120
>> so why yeah why we're even including it

4762
02:45:59,120 --> 02:46:02,000
as next year's budget out I mean this

4763
02:46:02,000 --> 02:46:03,600
year yes we have to because there's

4764
02:46:03,600 --> 02:46:05,359
900,000 the fund balance you've done

4765
02:46:05,359 --> 02:46:07,359
there but every one of these are one

4766
02:46:07,359 --> 02:46:09,279
time items why that automatically mean

4767
02:46:09,279 --> 02:46:10,479
next year it's going to be another

4768
02:46:10,479 --> 02:46:11,920
million in fund balance

4769
02:46:11,920 --> 02:46:13,760
>> but it's also different projects that

4770
02:46:13,760 --> 02:46:14,560
we've done

4771
02:46:14,560 --> 02:46:15,279
>> that was a new set

4772
02:46:15,279 --> 02:46:15,920
>> yes ma'am

4773
02:46:15,920 --> 02:46:17,600
>> we do know what next year's are

4774
02:46:17,600 --> 02:46:20,240
>> no sorry but fisc year 26 fund balance

4775
02:46:20,240 --> 02:46:21,840
items are right there right

4776
02:46:21,840 --> 02:46:23,920
>> those are all different than the 27

4777
02:46:23,920 --> 02:46:25,520
>> they're done they're gone But they're

4778
02:46:25,520 --> 02:46:26,800
what she's saying is that they're

4779
02:46:26,800 --> 02:46:29,200
usually around 900.

4780
02:46:29,200 --> 02:46:31,680
>> That's just like you said, they were 1.8

4781
02:46:31,680 --> 02:46:33,279
and it went to 900,

4782
02:46:33,279 --> 02:46:33,760
>> right?

4783
02:46:33,760 --> 02:46:34,240
>> Yeah.

4784
02:46:34,240 --> 02:46:35,439
>> But yeah,

4785
02:46:35,439 --> 02:46:37,520
>> but the also the amount that we ended up

4786
02:46:37,520 --> 02:46:41,439
getting for uh sales tax ended up being

4787
02:46:41,439 --> 02:46:45,920
like 900,000 or 8 $950,000 more than

4788
02:46:45,920 --> 02:46:46,319
>> right

4789
02:46:46,319 --> 02:46:48,720
>> what we thought. And so this year, could

4790
02:46:48,720 --> 02:46:50,720
that happen again that we end up with

4791
02:46:50,720 --> 02:46:53,200
900,000 more than we thought

4792
02:46:53,200 --> 02:46:55,200
>> in sales tax? Well, isn't that what you

4793
02:46:55,200 --> 02:46:56,399
said that we ended up with?

4794
02:46:56,399 --> 02:46:56,960
>> No.

4795
02:46:56,960 --> 02:46:57,600
>> After the

4796
02:46:57,600 --> 02:47:00,640
>> It's related to to how we were budgeting

4797
02:47:00,640 --> 02:47:02,240
expenditures.

4798
02:47:02,240 --> 02:47:04,720
>> So, we spent we spent 900 less than what

4799
02:47:04,720 --> 02:47:05,920
we thought we were going to spend.

4800
02:47:05,920 --> 02:47:06,560
>> Yes. Because

4801
02:47:06,560 --> 02:47:08,640
>> But you've already ant you've already

4802
02:47:08,640 --> 02:47:10,640
anticipated that we won't spend as much

4803
02:47:10,640 --> 02:47:12,560
this time around. So, most likely that

4804
02:47:12,560 --> 02:47:13,760
won't happen again.

4805
02:47:13,760 --> 02:47:16,720
>> Not for 27. Correct. Right.

4806
02:47:16,720 --> 02:47:18,720
>> Now, I'm even more interested to see

4807
02:47:18,720 --> 02:47:22,319
what my four years of a 20% tax increase

4808
02:47:22,319 --> 02:47:24,319
would do with no fund balance being

4809
02:47:24,319 --> 02:47:25,680
included because we don't know what they

4810
02:47:25,680 --> 02:47:26,560
are yet. Just

4811
02:47:26,560 --> 02:47:28,560
>> I didn't include fund balance.

4812
02:47:28,560 --> 02:47:30,640
>> 28 going forward. I did not include any

4813
02:47:30,640 --> 02:47:31,439
use of fund balance,

4814
02:47:31,439 --> 02:47:32,800
>> but you told me we still had to use

4815
02:47:32,800 --> 02:47:34,319
another million. That's what you said.

4816
02:47:34,319 --> 02:47:35,439
>> And 27

4817
02:47:35,439 --> 02:47:39,840
>> and 28 you said just 27.

4818
02:47:39,840 --> 02:47:45,200
>> 28 is is capital. It's not general fund balance. different funds.

4819
02:47:45,200 --> 02:47:46,960
>> Okay.

4820
02:47:46,960 --> 02:47:49,120
>> Yeah. I just I Yeah. So, what Yeah. What

4821
02:47:49,120 --> 02:47:52,880
would the 200 like moving that 200 over

4822
02:47:52,880 --> 02:47:56,240
to the truth and taxation side of things

4823
02:47:56,240 --> 02:47:59,439
>> that the only reason that's problematic,

4824
02:47:59,439 --> 02:48:01,920
which might be a strong word, is now

4825
02:48:01,920 --> 02:48:05,279
you're underfunding ongoing expenses.

4826
02:48:05,279 --> 02:48:09,200
Fund balance is for one-stop shop

4827
02:48:09,200 --> 02:48:11,520
>> one-time expenses. truth in taxation is

4828
02:48:11,520 --> 02:48:13,840
for as Mike says the gift that keeps on

4829
02:48:13,840 --> 02:48:16,560
giving inflation staff

4830
02:48:16,560 --> 02:48:17,920
>> operation increases.

4831
02:48:17,920 --> 02:48:18,800
>> Mhm.

4832
02:48:18,800 --> 02:48:19,200
>> So,

4833
02:48:19,200 --> 02:48:19,920
>> okay.

4834
02:48:19,920 --> 02:48:21,600
So, I was just maybe I was

4835
02:48:21,600 --> 02:48:23,439
confused. I thought I thought in this

4836
02:48:23,439 --> 02:48:26,080
case we were using

4837
02:48:26,080 --> 02:48:29,200
uh monies that we didn't have to lower

4838
02:48:29,200 --> 02:48:30,880
the amount that we were going to incur

4839
02:48:30,880 --> 02:48:37,590
through the truth and taxation.

4840
02:48:37,600 --> 02:48:38,880
We not

4841
02:48:38,880 --> 02:48:41,520
>> we are we're getting

4842
02:48:41,520 --> 02:48:43,520
>> sounds like a pavilion restroom probably

4843
02:48:43,520 --> 02:48:45,200
needs to be fixed. It does it not work

4844
02:48:45,200 --> 02:48:46,319
at all.

4845
02:48:46,319 --> 02:48:51,520
>> Um it's like the shingles and the

4846
02:48:51,520 --> 02:48:54,160
>> Cole will tell you

4847
02:48:54,160 --> 02:48:56,000
order issues too.

4848
02:48:56,000 --> 02:48:58,800
>> 40 years old. Needs a new roof. Interior

4849
02:48:58,800 --> 02:49:01,040
finishes. Pavilion's 40 years old. Needs

4850
02:49:01,040 --> 02:49:02,000
new roof.

4851
02:49:02,000 --> 02:49:04,000
electrical need to help.

4852
02:49:04,000 --> 02:49:06,560
>> They're just old. So again, another one

4853
02:49:06,560 --> 02:49:08,240
that we just ignored and instead of

4854
02:49:08,240 --> 02:49:10,720
doing maintenance over the years, now

4855
02:49:10,720 --> 02:49:14,080
it's all going.

4856
02:49:14,080 --> 02:49:16,479
>> No, now fixing the restroom.

4857
02:49:16,479 --> 02:49:19,920
>> We're still now 791.

4858
02:49:19,920 --> 02:49:22,080
>> Yeah, you got three. Yes, right.

4859
02:49:22,080 --> 02:49:24,960
>> Great.

4860
02:49:24,960 --> 02:49:26,640
>> Okay. Water conservation at fire

4861
02:49:26,640 --> 02:49:28,080
station. That is flipping the strip,

4862
02:49:28,080 --> 02:49:30,720
right? Flipping. Didn't Cole say there

4863
02:49:30,720 --> 02:49:34,240
might be the potential for correct

4864
02:49:34,240 --> 02:49:36,240
>> like $2.50

4865
02:49:36,240 --> 02:49:38,800
square foot I think.

4866
02:49:38,800 --> 02:49:41,040
>> And we should get a discount from Rock.

4867
02:49:41,040 --> 02:49:41,279
>> Yeah.

4868
02:49:41,279 --> 02:49:43,040
>> Gene Barack. I called them a couple

4869
02:49:43,040 --> 02:49:44,712
years ago and said, "Hey, if Case calls

4870
02:49:44,712 --> 02:49:45,439
[cough] you on a certain [clears throat]

4871
02:49:45,439 --> 02:49:46,960
day, will you give us a discount if we

4872
02:49:46,960 --> 02:49:48,720
all flip our strips at a certain date?"

4873
02:49:48,720 --> 02:49:50,000
They said they would consider it. So,

4874
02:49:50,000 --> 02:49:52,560
I'm going to follow up on that.

4875
02:49:52,560 --> 02:49:54,240
>> Yeah. I mean, if we get a book rate or

4876
02:49:54,240 --> 02:50:02,710
something or

4877
02:50:02,720 --> 02:50:04,720
No, I I don't know. I was just saying if

4878
02:50:04,720 --> 02:50:07,120
cities could you have certain city days

4879
02:50:07,120 --> 02:50:08,720
and just say, "Okay, if you're from

4880
02:50:08,720 --> 02:50:10,319
Kisville on this date or during this

4881
02:50:10,319 --> 02:50:11,840
week, you get a discount."

4882
02:50:11,840 --> 02:50:13,439
>> Wouldn't that be slick? That's a great

4883
02:50:13,439 --> 02:50:13,920
idea.

4884
02:50:13,920 --> 02:50:16,160
>> Yeah. Right. It'd be good PR for them.

4885
02:50:16,160 --> 02:50:17,200
>> That's what you were just talking about

4886
02:50:17,200 --> 02:50:17,760
the other day.

4887
02:50:17,760 --> 02:50:19,760
>> Good PR. We could have a little

4888
02:50:19,760 --> 02:50:21,520
>> content. Get a discount on a day for

4889
02:50:21,520 --> 02:50:23,200
flipping a strip to get rock or whatever

4890
02:50:23,200 --> 02:50:25,120
else. That's what she was talking about.

4891
02:50:25,120 --> 02:50:26,319
>> That's a great idea.

4892
02:50:26,319 --> 02:50:28,399
And yeah, Cole City is applying for

4893
02:50:28,399 --> 02:50:30,800
grants for that 30,000. So if we get the

4894
02:50:30,800 --> 02:50:32,319
grants, then

4895
02:50:32,319 --> 02:50:34,720
>> it goes down or goes away.

4896
02:50:34,720 --> 02:50:36,640
>> So should we not include it then? If

4897
02:50:36,640 --> 02:50:38,399
we're going for grants cuz

4898
02:50:38,399 --> 02:50:39,920
>> Well, I mean, if we don't get the

4899
02:50:39,920 --> 02:50:41,120
grants, I mean, it's

4900
02:50:41,120 --> 02:50:42,560
>> But if you do get the grants and

4901
02:50:42,560 --> 02:50:44,800
suddenly they get 30,000 on top of it

4902
02:50:44,800 --> 02:50:45,840
that's just sitting there.

4903
02:50:45,840 --> 02:50:50,800
>> Take it off.

4904
02:50:50,800 --> 02:50:51,439
>> Okay.

4905
02:50:51,439 --> 02:50:52,640
>> Take it off.

4906
02:50:52,640 --> 02:50:54,640
>> What if we don't get the grid? It's

4907
02:50:54,640 --> 02:50:56,399
conservative to leave it on and then

4908
02:50:56,399 --> 02:50:57,520
it'll just

4909
02:50:57,520 --> 02:50:59,040
>> if we don't spend it, it'll go back in

4910
02:50:59,040 --> 02:51:00,000
the fund balance.

4911
02:51:00,000 --> 02:51:03,600
>> I if it's not if if your plan isn't to

4912
02:51:03,600 --> 02:51:06,960
use the saved money to lower the amount

4913
02:51:06,960 --> 02:51:09,439
that we're going to put on

4914
02:51:09,439 --> 02:51:12,319
the citizens, then I think that we

4915
02:51:12,319 --> 02:51:14,160
should probably do the tower and

4916
02:51:14,160 --> 02:51:16,000
everything. I mean, it doesn't make any

4917
02:51:16,000 --> 02:51:18,160
sense why we're we why would we delay it

4918
02:51:18,160 --> 02:51:20,560
if it's coming out of a pot that's not

4919
02:51:20,560 --> 02:51:23,040
incurring an increase in taxes? because

4920
02:51:23,040 --> 02:51:24,560
it's decreasing our fund balance.

4921
02:51:24,560 --> 02:51:25,840
>> Yeah, we don't

4922
02:51:25,840 --> 02:51:28,240
>> Yeah, but but will it come out of fund

4923
02:51:28,240 --> 02:51:30,080
won't it come out of fund balance next

4924
02:51:30,080 --> 02:51:32,319
year? The bleachers and and the

4925
02:51:32,319 --> 02:51:33,840
>> It's not including anything in fund

4926
02:51:33,840 --> 02:51:35,600
balance.

4927
02:51:35,600 --> 02:51:37,279
>> I mean, it's got to be paid for one way

4928
02:51:37,279 --> 02:51:38,720
or the other. It's only going to get

4929
02:51:38,720 --> 02:51:41,520
more expensive. It needs to be done. I

4930
02:51:41,520 --> 02:51:43,840
mean, whether it's this year, next year,

4931
02:51:43,840 --> 02:51:45,279
I don't know. I mean, if we were talking

4932
02:51:45,279 --> 02:51:47,680
about like, oh, we can take we can push

4933
02:51:47,680 --> 02:51:50,880
this 200 to next year and then now

4934
02:51:50,880 --> 02:51:52,960
that's going to be 200 less that we have

4935
02:51:52,960 --> 02:51:55,760
to do on truth and taxation. Okay, now

4936
02:51:55,760 --> 02:51:57,359
you're talking. But if that's not going

4937
02:51:57,359 --> 02:52:00,720
to happen, then I would probably say

4938
02:52:00,720 --> 02:52:02,479
>> then I'd probably say keep it on there.

4939
02:52:02,479 --> 02:52:02,880
I mean,

4940
02:52:02,880 --> 02:52:04,640
>> yeah, but I'd love to see us knock this

4941
02:52:04,640 --> 02:52:07,359
fund balance down to $500,000 and then

4942
02:52:07,359 --> 02:52:10,160
add an and then next year we'll use

4943
02:52:10,160 --> 02:52:13,680
$500,000 of fund balance to keep our

4944
02:52:13,680 --> 02:52:14,640
taxes down.

4945
02:52:14,640 --> 02:52:16,240
>> We should have capital.

4946
02:52:16,240 --> 02:52:18,080
>> That's fine.

4947
02:52:18,080 --> 02:52:20,319
There's 100 ways it's going to set up

4948
02:52:20,319 --> 02:52:22,720
>> this and it's just like never ending as

4949
02:52:22,720 --> 02:52:24,640
long as

4950
02:52:24,640 --> 02:52:26,640
you're coming from though. If that's our

4951
02:52:26,640 --> 02:52:28,960
plan, maybe we put it back to staff and

4952
02:52:28,960 --> 02:52:31,920
say bring it down to 500,000 and you

4953
02:52:31,920 --> 02:52:34,160
guys prioritize these cuz we literally

4954
02:52:34,160 --> 02:52:34,640
don't know.

4955
02:52:34,640 --> 02:52:37,359
>> Why 500 though? That that's just an

4956
02:52:37,359 --> 02:52:38,240
arbitrary

4957
02:52:38,240 --> 02:52:41,680
>> I don't Well, I'm just saying 500 or you

4958
02:52:41,680 --> 02:52:44,160
know cuz we I don't know. I

4959
02:52:44,160 --> 02:52:45,920
>> know. I'm sorry. Maybe it's not a fair

4960
02:52:45,920 --> 02:52:48,880
question, but it's just I could ask the

4961
02:52:48,880 --> 02:52:50,319
same question with why do you want the

4962
02:52:50,319 --> 02:52:53,840
tax rate below 20 when we're showing you

4963
02:52:53,840 --> 02:52:57,600
the needs and the and I get it. All the

4964
02:52:57,600 --> 02:52:59,600
political hoopla with it, but

4965
02:52:59,600 --> 02:53:01,680
>> well, not not even that. It's just it's

4966
02:53:01,680 --> 02:53:02,479
actual dollars.

4967
02:53:02,479 --> 02:53:03,439
>> So, I have a question.

4968
02:53:03,439 --> 02:53:05,359
>> Yes, but there's actual needs.

4969
02:53:05,359 --> 02:53:07,120
>> How much do we expect our fund balance

4970
02:53:07,120 --> 02:53:08,240
to grow?

4971
02:53:08,240 --> 02:53:10,000
>> We don't.

4972
02:53:10,000 --> 02:53:11,680
>> Okay, then I think that comes back to

4973
02:53:11,680 --> 02:53:14,800
the point of we have to we can't that

4974
02:53:14,800 --> 02:53:16,640
much

4975
02:53:16,640 --> 02:53:18,960
>> every year

4976
02:53:18,960 --> 02:53:21,439
that much

4977
02:53:21,439 --> 02:53:22,880
>> un Yeah, unless we

4978
02:53:22,880 --> 02:53:25,359
>> have like a old lady with a can that

4979
02:53:25,359 --> 02:53:28,240
says like fund the Barnes Tower.

4980
02:53:28,240 --> 02:53:31,359
>> I like the idea. fun

4981
02:53:31,359 --> 02:53:32,960
back to the director heads and saying,

4982
02:53:32,960 --> 02:53:35,359
"Okay, 500,000 figure it out

4983
02:53:35,359 --> 02:53:37,439
>> and let them prioritize what they think

4984
02:53:37,439 --> 02:53:38,000
is

4985
02:53:38,000 --> 02:53:41,439
>> if there is a real need that's like a

4986
02:53:41,439 --> 02:53:44,319
danger to the community, then let's talk

4987
02:53:44,319 --> 02:53:46,319
about that." But

4988
02:53:46,319 --> 02:53:48,560
>> I mean, this is their wish list and I'm

4989
02:53:48,560 --> 02:53:50,720
sure they've really prioritized what

4990
02:53:50,720 --> 02:53:53,840
they really do wish we would do. And if

4991
02:53:53,840 --> 02:53:55,439
we aren't comfortable with that amount,

4992
02:53:55,439 --> 02:53:57,279
I think it is fair to say, "Okay, Jason,

4993
02:53:57,279 --> 02:53:59,920
you go talk and

4994
02:53:59,920 --> 02:54:01,439
You guys figure out what you can do with

4995
02:54:01,439 --> 02:54:02,319
500,000.

4996
02:54:02,319 --> 02:54:04,160
>> Yeah. The Barnes Park pavilion restroom

4997
02:54:04,160 --> 02:54:06,160
work. Yeah. So, the roof leaks a little

4998
02:54:06,160 --> 02:54:08,720
bit. Hardly ever rains. No one goes to

4999
02:54:08,720 --> 02:54:11,359
parks when it rains anyway. So, I think

5000
02:54:11,359 --> 02:54:13,040
there are probably ways to

5001
02:54:13,040 --> 02:54:13,840
>> see I don't even know

5002
02:54:13,840 --> 02:54:15,359
>> whittle this down.

5003
02:54:15,359 --> 02:54:15,920
>> Okay.

5004
02:54:15,920 --> 02:54:22,080
>> Um Yeah. I mean and I like that's where we are.

5005
02:54:22,080 --> 02:54:25,359
It's like, you know, we these

5006
02:54:25,359 --> 02:54:27,120
>> But at some point, when are we going to

5007
02:54:27,120 --> 02:54:29,840
replace, you know, that 40-year-old

5008
02:54:29,840 --> 02:54:30,479
roof?

5009
02:54:30,479 --> 02:54:32,720
>> But then I think that has to go back to

5010
02:54:32,720 --> 02:54:33,600
taxes, right?

5011
02:54:33,600 --> 02:54:34,880
>> We just don't have the money for it.

5012
02:54:34,880 --> 02:54:37,439
>> So, we increase the amount we need in

5013
02:54:37,439 --> 02:54:40,399
taxes for the parks department by a

5014
02:54:40,399 --> 02:54:42,960
little bit and they can save up, you

5015
02:54:42,960 --> 02:54:44,800
know, after three years and actually do

5016
02:54:44,800 --> 02:54:46,640
that project. I think that's when you

5017
02:54:46,640 --> 02:54:48,080
need to start thinking more in lines of

5018
02:54:48,080 --> 02:54:50,000
that.

5019
02:54:50,000 --> 02:54:52,319
>> That's fine. But you also just cut taxes

5020
02:54:52,319 --> 02:54:54,399
and you're going to cut projects. So

5021
02:54:54,399 --> 02:54:56,640
there's never going to be savings to be

5022
02:54:56,640 --> 02:54:59,040
able to do that.

5023
02:54:59,040 --> 02:55:00,560
>> But that's what we're trying to do is

5024
02:55:00,560 --> 02:55:02,000
we're trying to get that bottom line

5025
02:55:02,000 --> 02:55:03,760
down. Whether that means cutting taxes

5026
02:55:03,760 --> 02:55:05,600
and cutting some projects. We're trying

5027
02:55:05,600 --> 02:55:07,359
to get the number down. That's what

5028
02:55:07,359 --> 02:55:09,359
we're trying to do. We're trying to stop

5029
02:55:09,359 --> 02:55:13,680
that that number from that has seemed to

5030
02:55:13,680 --> 02:55:16,080
have grown exponentially in the last

5031
02:55:16,080 --> 02:55:17,680
four years. We're trying to slow that

5032
02:55:17,680 --> 02:55:19,520
down to get it down to a manageable

5033
02:55:19,520 --> 02:55:20,560
percent.

5034
02:55:20,560 --> 02:55:22,720
You got to because if we don't

5035
02:55:22,720 --> 02:55:24,160
>> and that's why we're talking about every

5036
02:55:24,160 --> 02:55:25,920
dollar matters at this point. Every

5037
02:55:25,920 --> 02:55:27,359
single dollar matters at this point.

5038
02:55:27,359 --> 02:55:30,080
>> So to Nate's point, what if we were to

5039
02:55:30,080 --> 02:55:31,840
put and what I was kind of trying to say

5040
02:55:31,840 --> 02:55:34,560
earlier, what if we were to put in an

5041
02:55:34,560 --> 02:55:36,960
amount into the truth and taxation that

5042
02:55:36,960 --> 02:55:41,120
is just supposed to be building up like

5043
02:55:41,120 --> 02:55:42,800
say like cuz everything in the truth and

5044
02:55:42,800 --> 02:55:45,279
taxation is attached to something and so

5045
02:55:45,279 --> 02:55:46,560
we're not really

5046
02:55:46,560 --> 02:55:48,000
>> growing. So, if we were to put in

5047
02:55:48,000 --> 02:55:50,000
200,000 and say, "Okay, this year it's

5048
02:55:50,000 --> 02:55:52,000
going for these bleachers. Next year

5049
02:55:52,000 --> 02:55:54,000
it's going to be for whatever." We would

5050
02:55:54,000 --> 02:55:55,920
be increasing what we're doing a a

5051
02:55:55,920 --> 02:55:57,520
little bit this year, but it would in

5052
02:55:57,520 --> 02:55:59,520
theory I mean, I don't know.

5053
02:55:59,520 --> 02:56:00,720
Everything's going to eat my inflation,

5054
02:56:00,720 --> 02:56:02,720
but in theory, we could then roll that

5055
02:56:02,720 --> 02:56:05,040
over to something else. It's I don't

5056
02:56:05,040 --> 02:56:07,520
want to say overcharging, but adding a

5057
02:56:07,520 --> 02:56:08,960
little bit extra kind of to Mike's

5058
02:56:08,960 --> 02:56:11,920
point, too, of 20% each year until we're

5059
02:56:11,920 --> 02:56:14,399
at where we want to be. I I just think

5060
02:56:14,399 --> 02:56:16,880
this year we've cut so much and it's not

5061
02:56:16,880 --> 02:56:18,800
going to get us where we want to be. No.

5062
02:56:18,800 --> 02:56:20,080
>> In the next So So that's why I'm saying

5063
02:56:20,080 --> 02:56:22,720
add 200,000 or or however much. I don't

5064
02:56:22,720 --> 02:56:24,399
know.

5065
02:56:24,399 --> 02:56:26,080
>> Use it for something this year and carry

5066
02:56:26,080 --> 02:56:28,560
it over for the next year. It's a small

5067
02:56:28,560 --> 02:56:31,200
amount, but it'll do something.

5068
02:56:31,200 --> 02:56:32,640
>> That's fair.

5069
02:56:32,640 --> 02:56:34,000
>> Yeah. And I would Yeah,

5070
02:56:34,000 --> 02:56:36,240
>> cuz we were looking at 32%. I don't feel

5071
02:56:36,240 --> 02:56:37,840
bad about any of the things we've taken

5072
02:56:37,840 --> 02:56:40,560
off of the truth and taxation. I mean, I

5073
02:56:40,560 --> 02:56:43,680
don't love it, but um but I think if

5074
02:56:43,680 --> 02:56:46,160
we've gotten it down to 21% and you

5075
02:56:46,160 --> 02:56:48,319
know, 22, what if we put it to like 23

5076
02:56:48,319 --> 02:56:49,120
or something?

5077
02:56:49,120 --> 02:56:49,760
>> 24

5078
02:56:49,760 --> 02:56:52,160
>> and and and use that money to start

5079
02:56:52,160 --> 02:56:53,680
getting on top of these things or or

5080
02:56:53,680 --> 02:56:55,520
whatever. Not not necessarily. I don't

5081
02:56:55,520 --> 02:56:57,200
know. You know, not even a full full

5082
02:56:57,200 --> 02:56:59,120
percent. I have no idea the money

5083
02:56:59,120 --> 02:57:03,200
amounts, but $200,000.

5084
02:57:03,200 --> 02:57:06,560
>> O I I don't think I

5085
02:57:06,560 --> 02:57:08,319
>> I just don't think that's a great idea.

5086
02:57:08,319 --> 02:57:11,120
I mean, I get it in theory just because

5087
02:57:11,120 --> 02:57:12,960
the whole purpose of truth and taxation

5088
02:57:12,960 --> 02:57:14,479
and the whole reason that they've

5089
02:57:14,479 --> 02:57:16,720
changed all the laws is to be completely

5090
02:57:16,720 --> 02:57:18,800
transparent about what we're doing.

5091
02:57:18,800 --> 02:57:20,080
>> And so this year it would be

5092
02:57:20,080 --> 02:57:22,319
transparent, but we can't account for

5093
02:57:22,319 --> 02:57:23,920
>> We are allowed to save for projects

5094
02:57:23,920 --> 02:57:25,760
though.

5095
02:57:25,760 --> 02:57:28,399
>> That's still I mean it was an idea. We

5096
02:57:28,399 --> 02:57:28,960
don't have to.

5097
02:57:28,960 --> 02:57:30,399
>> Well, you can save for projects, but

5098
02:57:30,399 --> 02:57:31,520
they're supposed to be in capital

5099
02:57:31,520 --> 02:57:32,960
accounts, aren't they?

5100
02:57:32,960 --> 02:57:34,640
>> Yeah. And we can transfer it to the

5101
02:57:34,640 --> 02:57:37,040
capital account. So it wouldn't it

5102
02:57:37,040 --> 02:57:38,479
wouldn't build general fund funds.

5103
02:57:38,479 --> 02:57:40,240
>> So we we go to our residents and we say

5104
02:57:40,240 --> 02:57:43,359
okay actually we only really needed

5105
02:57:43,359 --> 02:57:46,240
21.9% but we're going to add it you know

5106
02:57:46,240 --> 02:57:47,920
a couple 3% so that we can start

5107
02:57:47,920 --> 02:57:49,200
building up our fund balance again

5108
02:57:49,200 --> 02:57:51,040
because we weren't very

5109
02:57:51,040 --> 02:57:51,680
>> um

5110
02:57:51,680 --> 02:57:53,520
>> but careful with your money.

5111
02:57:53,520 --> 02:57:56,080
>> That's you remember the discussion they

5112
02:57:56,080 --> 02:57:58,399
had with that's exactly why inflation is

5113
02:57:58,399 --> 02:58:00,800
not built into truth and taxation. I

5114
02:58:00,800 --> 02:58:02,080
know that's what I'm saying.

5115
02:58:02,080 --> 02:58:04,160
>> Absolutely. That's the very thing that

5116
02:58:04,160 --> 02:58:06,960
they did not want you to do is so I

5117
02:58:06,960 --> 02:58:08,080
agree. You're here's what you're saying

5118
02:58:08,080 --> 02:58:08,960
is exactly right.

5119
02:58:08,960 --> 02:58:13,120
>> Well, and I'm saying and even there were there um were laws that Dan

5120
02:58:13,120 --> 02:58:14,960
McCay tried to pass that said that if

5121
02:58:14,960 --> 02:58:17,840
you have a um bond payment as soon as

5122
02:58:17,840 --> 02:58:20,080
that bond is retired, you return that

5123
02:58:20,080 --> 02:58:22,160
money back to the taxpayers. You don't

5124
02:58:22,160 --> 02:58:24,319
roll it into a new bond. You don't save

5125
02:58:24,319 --> 02:58:25,520
it in your general fund.

5126
02:58:25,520 --> 02:58:26,399
>> The other bond that

5127
02:58:26,399 --> 02:58:27,600
>> you don't keep collecting it. You

5128
02:58:27,600 --> 02:58:29,920
>> Peterson had in there that says that

5129
02:58:29,920 --> 02:58:32,479
maximum tax increase is 5%. It's coming

5130
02:58:32,479 --> 02:58:34,080
back. It's not coming back.

5131
02:58:34,080 --> 02:58:35,279
>> I guess that's what I mean by being

5132
02:58:35,279 --> 02:58:36,399
transparent.

5133
02:58:36,399 --> 02:58:37,840
>> Well, but they will.

5134
02:58:37,840 --> 02:58:38,880
>> So, why not do this now?

5135
02:58:38,880 --> 02:58:39,680
>> They will.

5136
02:58:39,680 --> 02:58:41,120
>> That's a great point.

5137
02:58:41,120 --> 02:58:44,479
>> Yeah, Abby, you made a good point cuz

5138
02:58:44,479 --> 02:58:47,600
>> cuz $200,000 doesn't move. I mean,

5139
02:58:47,600 --> 02:58:48,000
>> no.

5140
02:58:48,000 --> 02:58:49,600
>> What What does $200,000 do?

5141
02:58:49,600 --> 02:58:51,920
>> I mean, it's bleachers or whatever that

5142
02:58:51,920 --> 02:58:52,240
line.

5143
02:58:52,240 --> 02:58:53,359
>> Well, if you want to add the bleachers

5144
02:58:53,359 --> 02:58:54,720
back in, it's already included in that

5145
02:58:54,720 --> 02:58:56,640
21%.

5146
02:58:56,640 --> 02:58:58,240
>> It's already included from the fund

5147
02:58:58,240 --> 02:58:59,200
balance.

5148
02:58:59,200 --> 02:59:02,319
>> Yeah. As the

5149
02:59:02,319 --> 02:59:05,120
as a one times.

5150
02:59:05,120 --> 02:59:05,680
>> Yeah,

5151
02:59:05,680 --> 02:59:07,120
>> but I don't know how we can even use

5152
02:59:07,120 --> 02:59:08,960
fund balance if we're not building that

5153
02:59:08,960 --> 02:59:10,000
fund balance.

5154
02:59:10,000 --> 02:59:11,760
>> I just don't know how that

5155
02:59:11,760 --> 02:59:16,230
>> checks out.

5156
02:59:16,240 --> 02:59:17,680
Eventually, you'll run out.

5157
02:59:17,680 --> 02:59:19,760
>> Exactly. And so I don't know what's the

5158
02:59:19,760 --> 02:59:20,560
answer.

5159
02:59:20,560 --> 02:59:22,080
>> The answer is you have to be consistent

5160
02:59:22,080 --> 02:59:23,840
with your truth and taxation

5161
02:59:23,840 --> 02:59:27,120
>> and and set a pace and make it

5162
02:59:27,120 --> 02:59:30,880
repeatable and consistent.

5163
02:59:30,880 --> 02:59:33,600
I always have

5164
02:59:33,600 --> 02:59:34,880
that will answer the question with all

5165
02:59:34,880 --> 02:59:38,960
these one time expenditures.

5166
02:59:38,960 --> 02:59:40,880
>> Mhm. There's always going to be

5167
02:59:40,880 --> 02:59:43,600
projects.

5168
02:59:43,600 --> 02:59:45,439
>> I I would say that I would love to get

5169
02:59:45,439 --> 02:59:47,520
to the point like Marin's pl pushed into

5170
02:59:47,520 --> 02:59:49,279
the you know future projections that we

5171
02:59:49,279 --> 02:59:50,880
don't dip into fund balance like that's

5172
02:59:50,880 --> 02:59:52,479
not part of our plan

5173
02:59:52,479 --> 02:59:54,240
>> because it obviously that's not

5174
02:59:54,240 --> 02:59:56,080
sustainable.

5175
02:59:56,080 --> 02:59:57,439
I think the 200 would be a great

5176
02:59:57,439 --> 03:00:00,560
opportunity for if if this uh person

5177
03:00:00,560 --> 03:00:03,439
that you've spoken to is truly

5178
03:00:03,439 --> 03:00:04,479
interested in

5179
03:00:04,479 --> 03:00:05,359
>> 250

5180
03:00:05,359 --> 03:00:08,640
>> in donating

5181
03:00:08,640 --> 03:00:10,399
>> $250,000

5182
03:00:10,399 --> 03:00:13,120
towards the city. I think that would be

5183
03:00:13,120 --> 03:00:15,279
an awesome one to do because you could

5184
03:00:15,279 --> 03:00:17,040
actually even put something on like

5185
03:00:17,040 --> 03:00:19,840
donated by anonymous.

5186
03:00:19,840 --> 03:00:21,840
>> You know, it's a tower. like it seems

5187
03:00:21,840 --> 03:00:23,359
like that would be a great opportunity

5188
03:00:23,359 --> 03:00:24,800
to be able to pay for something like

5189
03:00:24,800 --> 03:00:27,200
that and and we don't want to use any

5190
03:00:27,200 --> 03:00:30,160
type of donation for ongoing expenses.

5191
03:00:30,160 --> 03:00:32,640
We definitely only want to use it for

5192
03:00:32,640 --> 03:00:34,720
>> onetime funds and so

5193
03:00:34,720 --> 03:00:36,479
>> that could [snorts] be I think that

5194
03:00:36,479 --> 03:00:37,920
could be one of those that we should

5195
03:00:37,920 --> 03:00:39,840
probably look at. Um

5196
03:00:39,840 --> 03:00:42,560
>> could we wrap money towards that?

5197
03:00:42,560 --> 03:00:44,640
>> We could except it's all committed right

5198
03:00:44,640 --> 03:00:45,840
now. I mean every year it gets

5199
03:00:45,840 --> 03:00:47,600
recommitted so that would be a cool

5200
03:00:47,600 --> 03:00:50,080
question. And you could even do the the

5201
03:00:50,080 --> 03:00:52,640
restroom and the and the toilets could

5202
03:00:52,640 --> 03:00:54,399
say donated by

5203
03:00:54,399 --> 03:00:54,960
>> Sure.

5204
03:00:54,960 --> 03:00:58,479
>> When you flush when you

5205
03:00:58,479 --> 03:01:00,319
>> when you flush, think anonymous.

5206
03:01:00,319 --> 03:01:01,200
>> I [laughter]

5207
03:01:01,200 --> 03:01:04,240
I just want to bring up anonymous

5208
03:01:04,240 --> 03:01:06,000
singing.

5209
03:01:06,000 --> 03:01:09,040
>> I mean, all great points. There's so

5210
03:01:09,040 --> 03:01:10,560
many things to think about. But I want I

5211
03:01:10,560 --> 03:01:12,240
just want to bring up Aby's point again

5212
03:01:12,240 --> 03:01:14,960
of if the 5%

5213
03:01:14,960 --> 03:01:19,190
limit comes back

5214
03:01:19,200 --> 03:01:20,240
» we deal with it.

5215
03:01:20,240 --> 03:01:21,920
>> I mean we deal with it then fine but

5216
03:01:21,920 --> 03:01:24,640
that's kind of why we're here right now

5217
03:01:24,640 --> 03:01:27,040
>> because we just keep pushing things

5218
03:01:27,040 --> 03:01:28,160
budget now because

5219
03:01:28,160 --> 03:01:30,240
>> I'm not asking to pat it. I'm asking to

5220
03:01:30,240 --> 03:01:32,319
fund the needs instead of pushing those

5221
03:01:32,319 --> 03:01:33,200
needs down the road.

5222
03:01:33,200 --> 03:01:34,800
>> Catch up. We still need to catch it up.

5223
03:01:34,800 --> 03:01:37,520
We we still got we're we're still not

5224
03:01:37,520 --> 03:01:39,600
even coming close to catching up to the

5225
03:01:39,600 --> 03:01:41,520
needs that we have now with that figure

5226
03:01:41,520 --> 03:01:44,479
in future stuff that we might want.

5227
03:01:44,479 --> 03:01:47,279
>> And the second that 5% comes back, we're

5228
03:01:47,279 --> 03:01:48,080
screwed.

5229
03:01:48,080 --> 03:01:50,319
>> Well, I don't know if it's 5%, but it

5230
03:01:50,319 --> 03:01:50,880
was

5231
03:01:50,880 --> 03:01:52,319
>> it was proposed that way and then it

5232
03:01:52,319 --> 03:01:54,960
went to 10, I think,

5233
03:01:54,960 --> 03:01:56,479
because we're done. Yeah.

5234
03:01:56,479 --> 03:01:57,040
>> So,

5235
03:01:57,040 --> 03:02:00,000
>> I'm just saying if if that that was I

5236
03:02:00,000 --> 03:02:01,279
just wanted to bring that back up, you

5237
03:02:01,279 --> 03:02:01,840
know,

5238
03:02:01,840 --> 03:02:04,560
>> because nothing is going to get better.

5239
03:02:04,560 --> 03:02:05,520
Nope.

5240
03:02:05,520 --> 03:02:09,359
>> Well, that's when you say like we've got

5241
03:02:09,359 --> 03:02:11,279
to either have we've got to have

5242
03:02:11,279 --> 03:02:14,800
businesses come in. I guess

5243
03:02:14,800 --> 03:02:16,080
>> the state needs to come in and start

5244
03:02:16,080 --> 03:02:17,520
defending some of this infrastructure

5245
03:02:17,520 --> 03:02:21,040
that they should be having.

5246
03:02:21,040 --> 03:02:22,319
>> We expect you to do that.

5247
03:02:22,319 --> 03:02:23,120
>> Okay.

5248
03:02:23,120 --> 03:02:25,359
>> And Senator,

5249
03:02:25,359 --> 03:02:28,000
>> I Okay. So right at this point,

5250
03:02:28,000 --> 03:02:31,520
>> if we rightsize the the property tax

5251
03:02:31,520 --> 03:02:33,520
like the model showed before, then we

5252
03:02:33,520 --> 03:02:35,520
get back into just capturing inflation.

5253
03:02:35,520 --> 03:02:37,600
But right now, we're still in this

5254
03:02:37,600 --> 03:02:39,840
discussion of we're not funding this

5255
03:02:39,840 --> 03:02:42,399
with uh property tax. So, we're dipping

5256
03:02:42,399 --> 03:02:44,479
into fund balance, but this is the only

5257
03:02:44,479 --> 03:02:46,080
year we're proposing that. After this

5258
03:02:46,080 --> 03:02:48,560
year, then we're looking at, like Marin

5259
03:02:48,560 --> 03:02:51,760
said, just funding it with with true

5260
03:02:51,760 --> 03:02:54,319
taxes, paying the true cost of operating

5261
03:02:54,319 --> 03:02:57,760
the city, and just capturing inflation.

5262
03:02:57,760 --> 03:03:00,160
And but it's it's painful those first

5263
03:03:00,160 --> 03:03:01,840
couple years to actually rightsize

5264
03:03:01,840 --> 03:03:03,680
property tax and get us up to probably

5265
03:03:03,680 --> 03:03:05,760
somewhere around here where we should be

5266
03:03:05,760 --> 03:03:07,840
to fund just the status quo of what

5267
03:03:07,840 --> 03:03:09,520
we're doing. I mean in theory if you did

5268
03:03:09,520 --> 03:03:11,840
20% for four years that's an 80%

5269
03:03:11,840 --> 03:03:13,760
increase

5270
03:03:13,760 --> 03:03:16,240
>> and and that's we probably should be up

5271
03:03:16,240 --> 03:03:18,560
here around bountiful west Clinton

5272
03:03:18,560 --> 03:03:21,200
>> that does it in a gradual way and people

5273
03:03:21,200 --> 03:03:23,680
can help it can help people because

5274
03:03:23,680 --> 03:03:26,960
people do tend to hopefully capture a

5275
03:03:26,960 --> 03:03:29,680
little bit of inflation in their budgets

5276
03:03:29,680 --> 03:03:30,399
and so

5277
03:03:30,399 --> 03:03:33,600
>> and it encourages the the it encourages

5278
03:03:33,600 --> 03:03:38,000
possibly the the change in mindset Uh,

5279
03:03:38,000 --> 03:03:40,319
do you want as a city, do you want to

5280
03:03:40,319 --> 03:03:42,319
continue to keep doing this or do you

5281
03:03:42,319 --> 03:03:44,720
want to bring some businesses in that

5282
03:03:44,720 --> 03:03:47,040
will help supplement that?

5283
03:03:47,040 --> 03:03:49,760
>> Well, okay, back to the chart. So, the

5284
03:03:49,760 --> 03:03:51,920
949,

5285
03:03:51,920 --> 03:03:55,040
>> are we going to what are we going to

5286
03:03:55,040 --> 03:03:55,920
791?

5287
03:03:55,920 --> 03:03:59,840
>> If I Yeah, I would say though that we

5288
03:03:59,840 --> 03:04:02,080
really look hard on that 200. I think

5289
03:04:02,080 --> 03:04:03,439
that would be a great opportunity.

5290
03:04:03,439 --> 03:04:05,040
>> Okay. So, we maybe try to talk to this

5291
03:04:05,040 --> 03:04:06,880
donor person, see if they pitch in their

5292
03:04:06,880 --> 03:04:08,720
250, which they said, and then just fund

5293
03:04:08,720 --> 03:04:10,000
the 791.

5294
03:04:10,000 --> 03:04:12,880
>> Oh, I think the range should

5295
03:04:12,880 --> 03:04:14,880
>> Sorry, now I'm picking and choosing, but

5296
03:04:14,880 --> 03:04:16,080
I think I remember talking about that

5297
03:04:16,080 --> 03:04:17,520
and it's essentially just that they

5298
03:04:17,520 --> 03:04:18,960
we're allowed not to have space at one

5299
03:04:18,960 --> 03:04:20,240
of the ranges and they want to have a

5300
03:04:20,240 --> 03:04:21,600
shed for their stuff. But

5301
03:04:21,600 --> 03:04:22,720
>> Oh, okay. Then that's

5302
03:04:22,720 --> 03:04:23,439
>> is that what that is?

5303
03:04:23,439 --> 03:04:25,600
>> That's the bountiful

5304
03:04:25,600 --> 03:04:26,000
the

5305
03:04:26,000 --> 03:04:29,200
>> So, they don't there. So, it would be

5306
03:04:29,200 --> 03:04:31,760
they would be able to put that shed

5307
03:04:31,760 --> 03:04:32,399
there. you know,

5308
03:04:32,399 --> 03:04:35,359
>> she's just off

5309
03:04:35,359 --> 03:04:37,200
take it off because I mean I don't know

5310
03:04:37,200 --> 03:04:39,760
that they necessarily need need it this

5311
03:04:39,760 --> 03:04:40,080
year.

5312
03:04:40,080 --> 03:04:41,840
>> I can't answer that one, but

5313
03:04:41,840 --> 03:04:43,680
>> I can't either, but they have asked it

5314
03:04:43,680 --> 03:04:45,840
for it the past

5315
03:04:45,840 --> 03:04:48,960
>> four, five, six years.

5316
03:04:48,960 --> 03:04:51,680
>> And we did just take the drone off, too.

5317
03:04:51,680 --> 03:04:52,080
So,

5318
03:04:52,080 --> 03:04:54,640
>> no, no, no. We put the drone on.

5319
03:04:54,640 --> 03:04:56,080
>> Well, the drone's hopefully going to be

5320
03:04:56,080 --> 03:04:56,720
paid by

5321
03:04:56,720 --> 03:04:58,000
>> Yeah, we're trying to get a donation.

5322
03:04:58,000 --> 03:05:00,399
>> I think we can get the drone. I'm I'm

5323
03:05:00,399 --> 03:05:01,920
confident we get the show.

5324
03:05:01,920 --> 03:05:03,688
>> I was like the drone's off. I thought

5325
03:05:03,688 --> 03:05:04,960
[laughter]

5326
03:05:04,960 --> 03:05:06,240
>> poor Marin is like

5327
03:05:06,240 --> 03:05:07,439
>> my gosh.

5328
03:05:07,439 --> 03:05:09,359
>> It's in limbo.

5329
03:05:09,359 --> 03:05:10,080
>> Okay.

5330
03:05:10,080 --> 03:05:12,080
>> 6 hours to make this tenative budget

5331
03:05:12,080 --> 03:05:14,080
tomorrow. So

5332
03:05:14,080 --> 03:05:15,760
>> motion to close the meeting.

5333
03:05:15,760 --> 03:05:19,200
>> Okay. Well,

5334
03:05:19,200 --> 03:05:22,479
you guys talk.

5335
03:05:22,479 --> 03:05:24,399
I don't need to put up more signs.

5336
03:05:24,399 --> 03:05:26,800
>> Okay. Who wants to just who what are we

5337
03:05:26,800 --> 03:05:29,040
doing with this budget with this

5338
03:05:29,040 --> 03:05:31,920
proposed fund balance transfer?

5339
03:05:31,920 --> 03:05:33,920
>> Are we leaving 500 the cap or are we

5340
03:05:33,920 --> 03:05:36,479
going to just fund what's there?

5341
03:05:36,479 --> 03:05:36,960
>> Oh yeah.

5342
03:05:36,960 --> 03:05:37,760
>> Now say that again.

5343
03:05:37,760 --> 03:05:41,200
>> I said are we wanting to cap it at 500?

5344
03:05:41,200 --> 03:05:42,960
>> I would like to see it capped at 500

5345
03:05:42,960 --> 03:05:44,240
right now because it's something we can

5346
03:05:44,240 --> 03:05:45,439
change later.

5347
03:05:45,439 --> 03:05:48,880
>> Okay. I would like to see a cap at 500.

5348
03:05:48,880 --> 03:05:53,520
>> If there's a a really good uh reason to

5349
03:05:53,520 --> 03:05:55,760
go over that, I would like to know that.

5350
03:05:55,760 --> 03:05:57,760
>> We can talk about it.

5351
03:05:57,760 --> 03:06:01,040
>> But you guys have got to

5352
03:06:01,040 --> 03:06:03,200
figure out what the five is. I don't

5353
03:06:03,200 --> 03:06:04,640
like that arbitrary.

5354
03:06:04,640 --> 03:06:06,160
>> They go back to their departments and

5355
03:06:06,160 --> 03:06:07,200
they decide.

5356
03:06:07,200 --> 03:06:08,319
>> Yeah, but what are we going to be

5357
03:06:08,319 --> 03:06:10,240
presented on Thursday?

5358
03:06:10,240 --> 03:06:12,399
>> Right. I I'm h I can make that number

5359
03:06:12,399 --> 03:06:14,399
500 for Thursday, but it's not going to

5360
03:06:14,399 --> 03:06:16,640
be a strategic conversation.

5361
03:06:16,640 --> 03:06:18,160
>> But it is tentative.

5362
03:06:18,160 --> 03:06:19,920
>> It's tentative. I just we don't have

5363
03:06:19,920 --> 03:06:21,760
time to get all eight department heads

5364
03:06:21,760 --> 03:06:23,120
together tomorrow to

5365
03:06:23,120 --> 03:06:27,600
>> Can we make it tenatively just like a 5%

5366
03:06:27,600 --> 03:06:30,399
increase then on

5367
03:06:30,399 --> 03:06:31,200
just change it?

5368
03:06:31,200 --> 03:06:32,319
>> Sure. Okay.

5369
03:06:32,319 --> 03:06:36,560
>> You know what's the tentative? Let's just be honest, right? That's

5370
03:06:36,560 --> 03:06:38,479
>> Are we wanting it to be Are we wanting

5371
03:06:38,479 --> 03:06:40,479
it to really be five at one point in

5372
03:06:40,479 --> 03:06:42,319
time or are we going to eventually go to

5373
03:06:42,319 --> 03:06:43,439
791 or at

5374
03:06:43,439 --> 03:06:45,120
>> 99? Five.

5375
03:06:45,120 --> 03:06:45,920
>> Huh?

5376
03:06:45,920 --> 03:06:46,960
>> I want to be five.

5377
03:06:46,960 --> 03:06:47,600
>> Okay. Five.

5378
03:06:47,600 --> 03:06:48,479
>> But why?

5379
03:06:48,479 --> 03:06:50,560
>> Can I still ask why 500?

5380
03:06:50,560 --> 03:06:52,240
>> If if we're at five though,

5381
03:06:52,240 --> 03:06:54,560
>> what is 400,000 savings going to do for

5382
03:06:54,560 --> 03:06:55,359
us?

5383
03:06:55,359 --> 03:06:58,479
>> So 256 plus 115. I mean a half million

5384
03:06:58,479 --> 03:06:59,840
or a quart million of that's already

5385
03:06:59,840 --> 03:07:01,040
gone in just getting a

5386
03:07:01,040 --> 03:07:02,960
>> keeps us $500,000 more

5387
03:07:02,960 --> 03:07:04,720
>> our stuff.

5388
03:07:04,720 --> 03:07:06,960
But why not? Why not 600? Why not

5389
03:07:06,960 --> 03:07:08,960
nothing? Why not? I'm just asking.

5390
03:07:08,960 --> 03:07:11,040
>> Okay, I'm good. Drop. They're all one

5391
03:07:11,040 --> 03:07:13,439
time purchases. Take them through the

5392
03:07:13,439 --> 03:07:15,200
taxation and stuff. Wink wink.

5393
03:07:15,200 --> 03:07:16,880
>> I think conversation should be, are

5394
03:07:16,880 --> 03:07:19,520
these projects worth funding? The

5395
03:07:19,520 --> 03:07:20,640
question number one, are they worth

5396
03:07:20,640 --> 03:07:22,160
funding period?

5397
03:07:22,160 --> 03:07:24,240
>> Um, are we fine with letting some of

5398
03:07:24,240 --> 03:07:26,080
these things like restroom building

5399
03:07:26,080 --> 03:07:28,560
just, you know, continue? It's 40 years

5400
03:07:28,560 --> 03:07:30,240
old now,

5401
03:07:30,240 --> 03:07:31,120
>> right? Yeah.

5402
03:07:31,120 --> 03:07:33,920
>> Um, and if it's if it's the question to

5403
03:07:33,920 --> 03:07:35,680
answer one is, yeah, we should probably

5404
03:07:35,680 --> 03:07:37,920
fix that 40-y old restroom building,

5405
03:07:37,920 --> 03:07:40,800
then then the question is, is it better

5406
03:07:40,800 --> 03:07:42,960
to do it now or wait till next year, the

5407
03:07:42,960 --> 03:07:44,399
next year when it's still going to be a

5408
03:07:44,399 --> 03:07:46,720
need, but probably costs only go up,

5409
03:07:46,720 --> 03:07:48,560
right? We've got one time money now we

5410
03:07:48,560 --> 03:07:51,600
could use given it's lowering our fund

5411
03:07:51,600 --> 03:07:53,680
balance. But

5412
03:07:53,680 --> 03:07:55,840
um all these projects are probably

5413
03:07:55,840 --> 03:07:58,000
things that we'll need to fund um

5414
03:07:58,000 --> 03:07:59,920
whether it's this year or next year or

5415
03:07:59,920 --> 03:08:00,960
maybe the next.

5416
03:08:00,960 --> 03:08:03,439
>> I think the big fear is the fear of

5417
03:08:03,439 --> 03:08:05,359
lowering the fund balance and having an

5418
03:08:05,359 --> 03:08:07,600
emergency. For me, that's the biggest

5419
03:08:07,600 --> 03:08:09,760
fear is taking that down and having an

5420
03:08:09,760 --> 03:08:10,800
emergency.

5421
03:08:10,800 --> 03:08:12,319
>> And I think that's why we're trying to

5422
03:08:12,319 --> 03:08:13,920
lower the number, not because we don't

5423
03:08:13,920 --> 03:08:16,000
think these things are valid and useful

5424
03:08:16,000 --> 03:08:17,760
and needing to be funded in the future.

5425
03:08:17,760 --> 03:08:19,120
And I also understand the fact that

5426
03:08:19,120 --> 03:08:20,880
they'll likely become more expensive,

5427
03:08:20,880 --> 03:08:22,560
which is a big argument for just leaving

5428
03:08:22,560 --> 03:08:25,439
it. But to me, I worry that we're going

5429
03:08:25,439 --> 03:08:28,160
to take this down and then something's

5430
03:08:28,160 --> 03:08:29,439
going to happen and we're going to be in

5431
03:08:29,439 --> 03:08:30,080
trouble,

5432
03:08:30,080 --> 03:08:32,160
>> right? Probably the issue with

5433
03:08:32,160 --> 03:08:36,000
increasing increasing property tax to f

5434
03:08:36,000 --> 03:08:37,520
for these things is that they're

5435
03:08:37,520 --> 03:08:39,439
one-time things. And the nice thing

5436
03:08:39,439 --> 03:08:41,920
would be using property taxes to only

5437
03:08:41,920 --> 03:08:43,680
pay for

5438
03:08:43,680 --> 03:08:45,520
>> ongoing expenses supposed to be for.

5439
03:08:45,520 --> 03:08:45,840
Yes.

5440
03:08:45,840 --> 03:08:47,840
>> Right. And I know and I know that what

5441
03:08:47,840 --> 03:08:49,439
you're saying is that there's always

5442
03:08:49,439 --> 03:08:51,279
going to be projects, right? Is that

5443
03:08:51,279 --> 03:08:53,359
that's your point is that there will

5444
03:08:53,359 --> 03:08:56,080
always be projects that will be part of

5445
03:08:56,080 --> 03:08:59,279
what should be part of ongoing expenses.

5446
03:08:59,279 --> 03:08:59,920
>> Correct.

5447
03:08:59,920 --> 03:09:02,800
>> So that makes sense and I get it and I

5448
03:09:02,800 --> 03:09:04,080
understand the concept.

5449
03:09:04,080 --> 03:09:06,640
>> I don't know that maybe Saul or somebody

5450
03:09:06,640 --> 03:09:08,080
can't look at that and go, you know

5451
03:09:08,080 --> 03:09:10,160
what, I didn't buy all the guns that I

5452
03:09:10,160 --> 03:09:11,439
thought I was going to buy this year.

5453
03:09:11,439 --> 03:09:14,479
I'll probably have about 8,900 bucks.

5454
03:09:14,479 --> 03:09:17,200
I'll just go buy a shed this year.

5455
03:09:17,200 --> 03:09:17,920
>> Sure.

5456
03:09:17,920 --> 03:09:19,040
>> And that does happen.

5457
03:09:19,040 --> 03:09:20,000
>> That does happen.

5458
03:09:20,000 --> 03:09:22,080
>> Yeah. And that's why I say I'd like go

5459
03:09:22,080 --> 03:09:23,120
dropping it down.

5460
03:09:23,120 --> 03:09:23,680
>> Okay.

5461
03:09:23,680 --> 03:09:25,600
>> And then let these guys look and see

5462
03:09:25,600 --> 03:09:27,439
maybe I have money elsewhere.

5463
03:09:27,439 --> 03:09:29,840
>> We need to have a strict policy in place

5464
03:09:29,840 --> 03:09:31,840
>> until I know how we're going to build up

5465
03:09:31,840 --> 03:09:33,680
that fund balance again.

5466
03:09:33,680 --> 03:09:34,880
>> We haven't much.

5467
03:09:34,880 --> 03:09:36,240
>> We can't keep doing this,

5468
03:09:36,240 --> 03:09:38,160
>> right?

5469
03:09:38,160 --> 03:09:40,640
>> And four patrol, three patrol vehicles,

5470
03:09:40,640 --> 03:09:44,640
one. No, he's saying we can't

5471
03:09:44,640 --> 03:09:46,479
>> that won't be changed by

5472
03:09:46,479 --> 03:09:48,000
>> Okay. So, are we good with having right

5473
03:09:48,000 --> 03:09:51,439
now at 500 and and having them make a

5474
03:09:51,439 --> 03:09:53,600
case if it needs to be more than that?

5475
03:09:53,600 --> 03:09:55,200
>> Making and choosing the projects.

5476
03:09:55,200 --> 03:09:56,319
>> Seems like that.

5477
03:09:56,319 --> 03:09:58,720
>> So, tenative budget on Thursday night

5478
03:09:58,720 --> 03:10:02,800
should show a 21% tax increase.

5479
03:10:02,800 --> 03:10:03,600
>> How much?

5480
03:10:03,600 --> 03:10:04,880
>> 21.97.

5481
03:10:04,880 --> 03:10:09,359
>> 21.9. Okay. 22 and uh 500,000 capital.

5482
03:10:09,359 --> 03:10:10,479
That's it. Yeah,

5483
03:10:10,479 --> 03:10:12,240
>> that should be a budget we should

5484
03:10:12,240 --> 03:10:14,319
approve and then say we're going to

5485
03:10:14,319 --> 03:10:15,359
approve the taxation.

5486
03:10:15,359 --> 03:10:17,279
>> An enterprise fund will stay how we

5487
03:10:17,279 --> 03:10:19,120
presented last Friday.

5488
03:10:19,120 --> 03:10:21,600
>> Correct. Enterprise funds will stay how

5489
03:10:21,600 --> 03:10:23,279
we presented on Friday.

5490
03:10:23,279 --> 03:10:25,200
>> I say no.

5491
03:10:25,200 --> 03:10:26,000
>> I say we're

5492
03:10:26,000 --> 03:10:26,560
>> talking about the rates.

5493
03:10:26,560 --> 03:10:28,479
>> I say we uh raise the rates instead of

5494
03:10:28,479 --> 03:10:30,080
the percents. I say we raise the rates,

5495
03:10:30,080 --> 03:10:31,439
the inflation.

5496
03:10:31,439 --> 03:10:32,800
>> Oh, for the enterprise funds.

5497
03:10:32,800 --> 03:10:34,800
>> Yeah, enterprise funds. We only we we

5498
03:10:34,800 --> 03:10:38,080
take we took the costs last year and we

5499
03:10:38,080 --> 03:10:40,000
raised them and now this year I'm not

5500
03:10:40,000 --> 03:10:41,200
saying don't raise them. I'm saying

5501
03:10:41,200 --> 03:10:43,680
raise them what inflation is. Raising 3%

5502
03:10:43,680 --> 03:10:45,040
inflation raising 3%.

5503
03:10:45,040 --> 03:10:47,439
>> Wait, wait, wait. Is inflation 3% or is

5504
03:10:47,439 --> 03:10:48,880
cost of living 3%.

5505
03:10:48,880 --> 03:10:51,840
>> Inflation. It says it said that Utah

5506
03:10:51,840 --> 03:10:53,520
inflation in Utah right now is

5507
03:10:53,520 --> 03:10:56,479
supposedly between 2 and 1/2 and 3 and

5508
03:10:56,479 --> 03:10:58,479
1/2. So I figure 3%.

5509
03:10:58,479 --> 03:10:59,356
>> I think we're running across.

5510
03:10:59,356 --> 03:10:59,600
[clears throat]

5511
03:10:59,600 --> 03:11:01,120
>> I'm asking the Google machine. That's

5512
03:11:01,120 --> 03:11:03,200
all I can go by. I think we're running

5513
03:11:03,200 --> 03:11:04,640
across the same problem we saw with the

5514
03:11:04,640 --> 03:11:07,680
tax increases. I don't think rates

5515
03:11:07,680 --> 03:11:09,680
increased when we were experiencing that

5516
03:11:09,680 --> 03:11:12,399
unprecedented inflation. Maybe they did,

5517
03:11:12,399 --> 03:11:14,880
but if they didn't increase when we were

5518
03:11:14,880 --> 03:11:16,080
hitting that inflation, then we're

5519
03:11:16,080 --> 03:11:16,800
behind again.

5520
03:11:16,800 --> 03:11:18,080
>> Yeah, I feel like we should break out

5521
03:11:18,080 --> 03:11:20,240
the water model again if we're going to

5522
03:11:20,240 --> 03:11:21,840
adjust rate just so we're really clear

5523
03:11:21,840 --> 03:11:23,439
about, hey, if we do it differently,

5524
03:11:23,439 --> 03:11:25,279
what does that mean for next year? Just

5525
03:11:25,279 --> 03:11:27,439
to hold ourselves accountable. But

5526
03:11:27,439 --> 03:11:28,800
remember, we're only talking about what

5527
03:11:28,800 --> 03:11:32,000
$1.69 on the actual impact of residents.

5528
03:11:32,000 --> 03:11:35,200
uh for the it was minimal. Um it was

5529
03:11:35,200 --> 03:11:36,800
going to be more right sizing the the

5530
03:11:36,800 --> 03:11:38,560
rate for the commercial which have been

5531
03:11:38,560 --> 03:11:41,359
under build or not build really where

5532
03:11:41,359 --> 03:11:42,880
they should be for a number of years.

5533
03:11:42,880 --> 03:11:44,479
>> Consumption has been higher than what

5534
03:11:44,479 --> 03:11:45,439
we've been billing.

5535
03:11:45,439 --> 03:11:45,760
>> Yeah.

5536
03:11:45,760 --> 03:11:48,479
>> And residents have been subsidizing it

5537
03:11:48,479 --> 03:11:50,080
>> and and I think we've been subsidizing

5538
03:11:50,080 --> 03:11:50,880
those commercial

5539
03:11:50,880 --> 03:11:53,279
>> water and electric businesses too long.

5540
03:11:53,279 --> 03:11:55,760
So, I think the enterprise funds are

5541
03:11:55,760 --> 03:11:57,520
great because we're trying to just

5542
03:11:57,520 --> 03:11:59,200
charge the commercial businesses what

5543
03:11:59,200 --> 03:12:01,520
they should be charged.

5544
03:12:01,520 --> 03:12:03,120
>> Residents for power, I just want to add

5545
03:12:03,120 --> 03:12:04,640
real quick. Residents for power going

5546
03:12:04,640 --> 03:12:06,160
into summer are going to actually be

5547
03:12:06,160 --> 03:12:07,439
paying less. That's right.

5548
03:12:07,439 --> 03:12:09,040
>> Than they than they've paid for summer

5549
03:12:09,040 --> 03:12:12,960
traditionally because that top tier, the

5550
03:12:12,960 --> 03:12:16,240
>> the base rate is going up 25 cents. The

5551
03:12:16,240 --> 03:12:18,800
two tiers are unchanged and then the one

5552
03:12:18,800 --> 03:12:21,439
t the the very top end tier is actually

5553
03:12:21,439 --> 03:12:23,680
going down. Um

5554
03:12:23,680 --> 03:12:25,439
>> so in that case maybe we keep them

5555
03:12:25,439 --> 03:12:28,560
however keep them the way they are

5556
03:12:28,560 --> 03:12:30,080
>> well at least for this through this

5557
03:12:30,080 --> 03:12:32,240
tenative budget

5558
03:12:32,240 --> 03:12:34,319
>> and then we can have another meeting

5559
03:12:34,319 --> 03:12:35,840
>> and then we raise impact fees when we

5560
03:12:35,840 --> 03:12:36,399
get the state

5561
03:12:36,399 --> 03:12:38,080
>> because we can speak to that as we talk

5562
03:12:38,080 --> 03:12:39,760
about the other

5563
03:12:39,760 --> 03:12:43,040
>> and mo most of the enterprise fund

5564
03:12:43,040 --> 03:12:46,640
>> well I shouldn't say most but the the largest dollar amounts are pass

5565
03:12:46,640 --> 03:12:48,479
through costs too

5566
03:12:48,479 --> 03:12:51,120
>> from from our partners that we work with

5567
03:12:51,120 --> 03:12:54,000
the portion that we can control.

5568
03:12:54,000 --> 03:12:55,680
It's late, so maybe this number is

5569
03:12:55,680 --> 03:12:59,359
wrong, but it's like a $1.68 on water

5570
03:12:59,359 --> 03:13:01,760
and power. Like, we're maybe increasing

5571
03:13:01,760 --> 03:13:04,399
it maybe $2 or $3.

5572
03:13:04,399 --> 03:13:05,760
>> Caseville City's fees.

5573
03:13:05,760 --> 03:13:07,600
>> Caseville. Yeah,

5574
03:13:07,600 --> 03:13:10,479
>> that we can control. The rest is sewer

5575
03:13:10,479 --> 03:13:13,040
district sanitation,

5576
03:13:13,040 --> 03:13:15,920
>> right? All cost that we don't control

5577
03:13:15,920 --> 03:13:18,399
really. So,

5578
03:13:18,399 --> 03:13:20,640
but we can we can

5579
03:13:20,640 --> 03:13:23,680
>> we re revisit those um at some point. I

5580
03:13:23,680 --> 03:13:25,120
mean,

5581
03:13:25,120 --> 03:13:26,640
>> I just say let's take the time to make

5582
03:13:26,640 --> 03:13:29,120
sure we're

5583
03:13:29,120 --> 03:13:29,600
understanding.

5584
03:13:29,600 --> 03:13:30,720
>> So, we obviously are going to have

5585
03:13:30,720 --> 03:13:32,160
another work session.

5586
03:13:32,160 --> 03:13:33,840
>> Yeah. Do we want to schedule another

5587
03:13:33,840 --> 03:13:36,479
general uh enterprise fund work session

5588
03:13:36,479 --> 03:13:38,319
for

5589
03:13:38,319 --> 03:13:39,200
>> maybe next week?

5590
03:13:39,200 --> 03:13:41,680
>> Let's figure that out on the council. We

5591
03:13:41,680 --> 03:13:43,840
>> have a question.

5592
03:13:43,840 --> 03:13:45,680
Is it the council

5593
03:13:45,680 --> 03:13:48,399
>> desire [laughter] to have a live water

5594
03:13:48,399 --> 03:13:51,040
session instead of just a screenshot?

5595
03:13:51,040 --> 03:13:52,080
>> Yes.

5596
03:13:52,080 --> 03:13:53,200
>> We would like to see the numbers.

5597
03:13:53,200 --> 03:13:54,720
>> Yes. Where we can put the numbers and

5598
03:13:54,720 --> 03:13:56,560
change the percent.

5599
03:13:56,560 --> 03:13:58,080
>> Absolutely.

5600
03:13:58,080 --> 03:13:59,760
>> Tonight was fantastic. Thank you.

5601
03:13:59,760 --> 03:14:00,000
>> Thank you.

5602
03:14:00,000 --> 03:14:00,960
>> Yeah, it's been really good.

5603
03:14:00,960 --> 03:14:01,439
>> Thanks.

5604
03:14:01,439 --> 03:14:02,399
>> It's painful.

5605
03:14:02,399 --> 03:14:04,720
>> And yeah, I'd say it's been great. I

5606
03:14:04,720 --> 03:14:08,160
think uh probably

5607
03:14:08,160 --> 03:14:10,960
going to be some upset staff about this

5608
03:14:10,960 --> 03:14:12,880
most likely because we're not approving

5609
03:14:12,880 --> 03:14:15,120
what we approved last year. I would say

5610
03:14:15,120 --> 03:14:16,880
that they're probably going to be

5611
03:14:16,880 --> 03:14:21,520
discouraged about that. But um you know,

5612
03:14:21,520 --> 03:14:24,160
like Tammy pointed out, it's a different

5613
03:14:24,160 --> 03:14:26,000
the mayor pointed out, it's a different

5614
03:14:26,000 --> 03:14:29,840
time. We're we're at war and

5615
03:14:29,840 --> 03:14:31,760
>> Yeah. And that's a fair comment. I I

5616
03:14:31,760 --> 03:14:34,319
think we just want to know

5617
03:14:34,319 --> 03:14:36,000
>> what to do and the direction.

5618
03:14:36,000 --> 03:14:38,560
>> We are approving a um and I think we

5619
03:14:38,560 --> 03:14:40,560
should definitely look at mass like one

5620
03:14:40,560 --> 03:14:43,520
bond to do our projects because I think

5621
03:14:43,520 --> 03:14:44,800
it'll save money

5622
03:14:44,800 --> 03:14:47,279
>> and we are approving that uh the op

5623
03:14:47,279 --> 03:14:50,560
center potentially to have that

5624
03:14:50,560 --> 03:14:52,960
>> remodeled. So I mean we've got projects

5625
03:14:52,960 --> 03:14:56,319
in here. I I know that, you know, it's

5626
03:14:56,319 --> 03:14:58,640
not everything that probably would like

5627
03:14:58,640 --> 03:15:02,239
to be done or prioritized, but

5628
03:15:02,239 --> 03:15:05,840
we're doing the best we can.

5629
03:15:05,840 --> 03:15:07,200
>> I think staff knows that.

5630
03:15:07,200 --> 03:15:10,160
>> Yes, we are approving the 6.7 something

5631
03:15:10,160 --> 03:15:12,000
million bond for the op center right

5632
03:15:12,000 --> 03:15:12,399
now.

5633
03:15:12,399 --> 03:15:13,600
>> That's what I'm hearing.

5634
03:15:13,600 --> 03:15:15,279
>> I thought that I thought it was because

5635
03:15:15,279 --> 03:15:15,520
it's

5636
03:15:15,520 --> 03:15:17,359
>> with the transfer of an enterprise.

5637
03:15:17,359 --> 03:15:19,840
taking that 67,000 from the payment,

5638
03:15:19,840 --> 03:15:21,200
putting it back into the capital

5639
03:15:21,200 --> 03:15:23,040
account, and it will all be paid by the

5640
03:15:23,040 --> 03:15:24,720
capital account is not part of our

5641
03:15:24,720 --> 03:15:25,200
budget.

5642
03:15:25,200 --> 03:15:27,120
>> It's not reflected in this, right?

5643
03:15:27,120 --> 03:15:29,760
>> And so with And so you're saying that we

5644
03:15:29,760 --> 03:15:32,399
will bond and redo

5645
03:15:32,399 --> 03:15:34,319
the ops.

5646
03:15:34,319 --> 03:15:35,680
>> I'm saying that that's what was

5647
03:15:35,680 --> 03:15:36,960
included. I thought that that's what we

5648
03:15:36,960 --> 03:15:39,439
talked about. As long as that 67,000 or

5649
03:15:39,439 --> 03:15:41,840
whatever isn't from the truth and

5650
03:15:41,840 --> 03:15:43,600
taxation increase,

5651
03:15:43,600 --> 03:15:45,600
>> it is in the enterprise fund.

5652
03:15:45,600 --> 03:15:47,120
>> And the enterprise fund will pay for

5653
03:15:47,120 --> 03:15:47,439
that

5654
03:15:47,439 --> 03:15:49,840
>> 67,000 will pay what?

5655
03:15:49,840 --> 03:15:51,359
>> It was part of the payment portion. It

5656
03:15:51,359 --> 03:15:52,560
was the general fund portion

5657
03:15:52,560 --> 03:15:53,760
>> of the bond payment.

5658
03:15:53,760 --> 03:15:55,200
>> Okay. So, you're taking that completely

5659
03:15:55,200 --> 03:15:56,720
out, but you're still planning on

5660
03:15:56,720 --> 03:16:00,399
bonding the 6.9 million this year.

5661
03:16:00,399 --> 03:16:02,560
>> I thought that's what we

5662
03:16:02,560 --> 03:16:03,680
was already in the budget.

5663
03:16:03,680 --> 03:16:05,359
>> Yeah, that was that what we agreed on.

5664
03:16:05,359 --> 03:16:07,520
Yes, that's what I heard. That will be

5665
03:16:07,520 --> 03:16:10,000
intended budget on Thursday.

5666
03:16:10,000 --> 03:16:10,880
>> What you thought we were doing?

5667
03:16:10,880 --> 03:16:12,479
>> Well, we went kind of back and forth.

5668
03:16:12,479 --> 03:16:13,840
>> Yeah, we went back and forth.

5669
03:16:13,840 --> 03:16:16,640
>> You Jason, you convinced me to move

5670
03:16:16,640 --> 03:16:19,680
forward in the mayor on this plan to

5671
03:16:19,680 --> 03:16:20,720
move forward with that bond

5672
03:16:20,720 --> 03:16:22,479
>> because I thought if we could bond for

5673
03:16:22,479 --> 03:16:25,120
the school and this capital project at

5674
03:16:25,120 --> 03:16:26,880
the same time, we probably will get some

5675
03:16:26,880 --> 03:16:27,200
savings.

5676
03:16:27,200 --> 03:16:30,319
>> Okay. If there's a $6.9 million

5677
03:16:30,319 --> 03:16:31,600
shop or whatever,

5678
03:16:31,600 --> 03:16:33,200
>> Yeah. Are we going to have to increase

5679
03:16:33,200 --> 03:16:36,720
rates again to make that payment?

5680
03:16:36,720 --> 03:16:38,080
>> Yes, sir.

5681
03:16:38,080 --> 03:16:39,760
>> Then my answer would be no.

5682
03:16:39,760 --> 03:16:41,279
>> Wait. Okay. So,

5683
03:16:41,279 --> 03:16:43,840
>> that's what the increase is this year.

5684
03:16:43,840 --> 03:16:45,760
And then we've we showed you on Friday

5685
03:16:45,760 --> 03:16:48,880
how the increase has to go the next few

5686
03:16:48,880 --> 03:16:52,319
years as well for other projects that

5687
03:16:52,319 --> 03:16:54,080
are that are on our plan.

5688
03:16:54,080 --> 03:16:56,560
>> Okay. The current the current fiscal

5689
03:16:56,560 --> 03:16:59,040
year 27 that increase includes all the

5690
03:16:59,040 --> 03:17:02,160
opcenter though if that's what you're

5691
03:17:02,160 --> 03:17:05,600
>> minus that 67,000 that we know how to

5692
03:17:05,600 --> 03:17:07,760
>> but not including increase rates that's

5693
03:17:07,760 --> 03:17:09,279
what you're we are we haven't talked

5694
03:17:09,279 --> 03:17:10,560
about rate increases and that's what

5695
03:17:10,560 --> 03:17:12,000
you're talking about right

5696
03:17:12,000 --> 03:17:13,840
>> we're going to have to raise rates to

5697
03:17:13,840 --> 03:17:16,319
pay the $6.9 million bond

5698
03:17:16,319 --> 03:17:19,040
>> okay I didn't

5699
03:17:19,040 --> 03:17:20,399
already been included in

5700
03:17:20,399 --> 03:17:23,120
>> it was what we showed on

5701
03:17:23,120 --> 03:17:24,479
that budget

5702
03:17:24,479 --> 03:17:25,600
Right.

5703
03:17:25,600 --> 03:17:30,640
>> Yeah. And it's a $6.4 million bond that would be this, you know, coming

5704
03:17:30,640 --> 03:17:33,920
year. But again, there's projects all

5705
03:17:33,920 --> 03:17:36,239
throughout the future in those

5706
03:17:36,239 --> 03:17:37,840
enterprise funds. We've got a big water

5707
03:17:37,840 --> 03:17:39,359
tank project that's going to have to be

5708
03:17:39,359 --> 03:17:42,720
bonded for in a few years. Like there's

5709
03:17:42,720 --> 03:17:44,479
just a lot of projects. So, it's if

5710
03:17:44,479 --> 03:17:46,640
we're going to do it, I don't know that

5711
03:17:46,640 --> 03:17:49,680
there's a better time to do it. Um if we

5712
03:17:49,680 --> 03:17:51,040
wait do it in a few years then we're

5713
03:17:51,040 --> 03:17:53,279
looking at some other big costs at the

5714
03:17:53,279 --> 03:17:54,720
same time that would start up. So

5715
03:17:54,720 --> 03:17:55,200
there's other

5716
03:17:55,200 --> 03:17:57,439
>> just trying to smooth out that

5717
03:17:57,439 --> 03:17:59,760
>> cost. Okay. Let cuz you made some

5718
03:17:59,760 --> 03:18:02,479
comments earlier. You said if the bond

5719
03:18:02,479 --> 03:18:04,080
pass is in November, we're going to

5720
03:18:04,080 --> 03:18:06,720
immediately start with design because we

5721
03:18:06,720 --> 03:18:10,399
put money aside for that. That that's a

5722
03:18:10,399 --> 03:18:13,600
whole bunch more than $30,000.

5723
03:18:13,600 --> 03:18:15,439
>> We'd have to do a budget amendment. I

5724
03:18:15,439 --> 03:18:17,359
think if we if the bond passes,

5725
03:18:17,359 --> 03:18:18,800
>> the design's going to be about

5726
03:18:18,800 --> 03:18:20,800
>> fire station

5727
03:18:20,800 --> 03:18:23,600
10 five 6% of the total cost,

5728
03:18:23,600 --> 03:18:24,239
>> right?

5729
03:18:24,239 --> 03:18:26,239
>> Which would be like hundreds of

5730
03:18:26,239 --> 03:18:28,560
thousands of dollars. We would have to

5731
03:18:28,560 --> 03:18:30,720
come up with this year's budget. I'm

5732
03:18:30,720 --> 03:18:33,840
saying even if the bond passes, it needs

5733
03:18:33,840 --> 03:18:37,520
to go to the 28 tenant the 28 budget to

5734
03:18:37,520 --> 03:18:37,840
fund

5735
03:18:37,840 --> 03:18:41,200
>> for the fire station But in the

5736
03:18:41,200 --> 03:18:45,520
meantime, um I'm not in for a $6.9

5737
03:18:45,520 --> 03:18:47,520
million bond for the shop.

5738
03:18:47,520 --> 03:18:47,920
>> Okay.

5739
03:18:47,920 --> 03:18:50,560
>> If it's going to require an additional

5740
03:18:50,560 --> 03:18:56,000
increase in 27 to do so in 28.

5741
03:18:56,000 --> 03:18:57,040
>> I thought it wasn't.

5742
03:18:57,040 --> 03:18:58,720
>> It's not additional. It's what we've

5743
03:18:58,720 --> 03:18:59,760
already presented.

5744
03:18:59,760 --> 03:19:00,399
>> No, I mean

5745
03:19:00,399 --> 03:19:01,200
>> already in there.

5746
03:19:01,200 --> 03:19:01,600
>> Correct.

5747
03:19:01,600 --> 03:19:03,120
>> Okay. You'll be able to show us that in

5748
03:19:03,120 --> 03:19:04,399
the water model when we do the

5749
03:19:04,399 --> 03:19:05,359
>> correct. Okay.

5750
03:19:05,359 --> 03:19:06,880
>> Cuz I cuz my understanding was it

5751
03:19:06,880 --> 03:19:08,960
doesn't it was we've already it's not

5752
03:19:08,960 --> 03:19:10,239
increasing. It's not increasing.

5753
03:19:10,239 --> 03:19:11,600
>> It's not increasing what we already

5754
03:19:11,600 --> 03:19:12,960
looked at tonight.

5755
03:19:12,960 --> 03:19:14,239
>> Well, okay, we're only we're talking

5756
03:19:14,239 --> 03:19:16,000
about enterprise funds.

5757
03:19:16,000 --> 03:19:19,520
>> So, yeah, that $169 impact per month and

5758
03:19:19,520 --> 03:19:20,640
stuff for for I can't remember the

5759
03:19:20,640 --> 03:19:23,600
numbers $169 for water a month

5760
03:19:23,600 --> 03:19:24,640
>> and that

5761
03:19:24,640 --> 03:19:28,560
>> and then electric was

5762
03:19:28,560 --> 03:19:30,560
>> $2. I can't remember now,

5763
03:19:30,560 --> 03:19:34,160
>> but it was that that includes the $6.4

5764
03:19:34,160 --> 03:19:36,239
million bond payment.

5765
03:19:36,239 --> 03:19:37,920
>> Okay.

5766
03:19:37,920 --> 03:19:39,040
That's already done.

5767
03:19:39,040 --> 03:19:40,160
>> It's already in there.

5768
03:19:40,160 --> 03:19:41,600
>> Is that

5769
03:19:41,600 --> 03:19:43,439
>> I wasn't clear.

5770
03:19:43,439 --> 03:19:44,720
>> I was not clear on

5771
03:19:44,720 --> 03:19:46,960
>> that. It's already in that

5772
03:19:46,960 --> 03:19:49,040
>> already. Yep. There we go.

5773
03:19:49,040 --> 03:19:51,359
>> Electric is going up 31 cents.

5774
03:19:51,359 --> 03:19:54,640
>> 31 cents. Yeah, there we go. 31

5775
03:19:54,640 --> 03:19:57,439
and $163.

5776
03:19:57,439 --> 03:20:00,080
That's baked in already. The the $6.4

5777
03:20:00,080 --> 03:20:01,439
million bond is baked into those

5778
03:20:01,439 --> 03:20:02,080
numbers.

5779
03:20:02,080 --> 03:20:04,319
>> Correct. And for anyone who's watching,

5780
03:20:04,319 --> 03:20:05,840
I just want to remind them that we now

5781
03:20:05,840 --> 03:20:07,439
have lowered what we think property

5782
03:20:07,439 --> 03:20:09,439
taxes will be. So even if someone's

5783
03:20:09,439 --> 03:20:11,200
maybe taking a picture of this screen,

5784
03:20:11,200 --> 03:20:13,680
it's not 100% accurate.

5785
03:20:13,680 --> 03:20:15,200
>> That's a good point. The 1480 is now

5786
03:20:15,200 --> 03:20:17,600
what 10.99 or something.

5787
03:20:17,600 --> 03:20:20,880
>> So it's down to about $20 a month.

5788
03:20:20,880 --> 03:20:22,880
>> Yeah.

5789
03:20:22,880 --> 03:20:26,080
>> For the total total. And that includes

5790
03:20:26,080 --> 03:20:28,560
$6.8 million

5791
03:20:28,560 --> 03:20:29,920
for the shop.

5792
03:20:29,920 --> 03:20:31,600
>> That's what I understood is. I just want

5793
03:20:31,600 --> 03:20:32,800
to make sure we're clear.

5794
03:20:32,800 --> 03:20:34,239
>> Yes. Thank you for clarifying.

5795
03:20:34,239 --> 03:20:37,840
>> So Mike, you're good. Then that we'll

5796
03:20:37,840 --> 03:20:42,229
look at it. [laughter] Good.

5797
03:20:42,239 --> 03:20:44,000
» I will bring it on Thursday.

5798
03:20:44,000 --> 03:20:44,960
>> Unified.

5799
03:20:44,960 --> 03:20:47,359
>> I I want us to be too because we all

5800
03:20:47,359 --> 03:20:49,439
hate property taxes. We all want to say

5801
03:20:49,439 --> 03:20:50,319
no to this

5802
03:20:50,319 --> 03:20:52,160
>> for sure.

5803
03:20:52,160 --> 03:20:55,760
>> But we made commitments last year. Yeah.

5804
03:20:55,760 --> 03:20:58,880
>> So, while we're sewers got two stars by

5805
03:20:58,880 --> 03:21:00,000
it

5806
03:21:00,000 --> 03:21:04,560
>> up there and it says pass through cost.

5807
03:21:04,560 --> 03:21:06,399
>> They already increased their stuff two

5808
03:21:06,399 --> 03:21:08,560
times last year. Is this increase the

5809
03:21:08,560 --> 03:21:11,279
325 per month?

5810
03:21:11,279 --> 03:21:13,439
>> Is that just for our administrative

5811
03:21:13,439 --> 03:21:17,920
costs or is that also going to them too?

5812
03:21:17,920 --> 03:21:22,720
>> $3 goes to them. 25 cents is ours.

5813
03:21:22,720 --> 03:21:24,319
They [snorts] did another increase last

5814
03:21:24,319 --> 03:21:24,479
year.

5815
03:21:24,479 --> 03:21:28,160
>> They did another they did last year

5816
03:21:28,160 --> 03:21:29,359
>> without any public.

5817
03:21:29,359 --> 03:21:30,560
>> So why don't we just say

5818
03:21:30,560 --> 03:21:32,960
>> they had their in December. Get rid of

5819
03:21:32,960 --> 03:21:33,600
it.

5820
03:21:33,600 --> 03:21:35,760
>> Why don't we just Why are we doing their

5821
03:21:35,760 --> 03:21:38,239
utility? Why don't we just drop it?

5822
03:21:38,239 --> 03:21:40,000
>> Um I think Josh,

5823
03:21:40,000 --> 03:21:41,680
>> is there an agreement or something that

5824
03:21:41,680 --> 03:21:44,239
we made somehow? I think Josh

5825
03:21:44,239 --> 03:21:47,279
>> Josh spoke to the history of pressure

5826
03:21:47,279 --> 03:21:49,120
irrigation. I think it's similar to

5827
03:21:49,120 --> 03:21:52,239
sewer where we don't own the

5828
03:21:52,239 --> 03:21:54,720
infrastructure, therefore we're not on

5829
03:21:54,720 --> 03:21:56,880
the hook for those capital costs.

5830
03:21:56,880 --> 03:21:57,439
>> I understand.

5831
03:21:57,439 --> 03:21:59,760
>> I I think there's positive there. If we

5832
03:21:59,760 --> 03:22:02,479
don't do their billing, I think we'll

5833
03:22:02,479 --> 03:22:06,239
have to have our own sewer system.

5834
03:22:06,239 --> 03:22:07,680
>> No, they own the sewer system. They're

5835
03:22:07,680 --> 03:22:09,040
not giving that up.

5836
03:22:09,040 --> 03:22:10,479
>> Well, if we don't do the building, then

5837
03:22:10,479 --> 03:22:13,760
we'll probably I'm just doing at one

5838
03:22:13,760 --> 03:22:15,439
time when we started doing this, there

5839
03:22:15,439 --> 03:22:17,040
was very few people working down there.

5840
03:22:17,040 --> 03:22:18,800
They have full staff, big department.

5841
03:22:18,800 --> 03:22:20,960
They have a whole thing, huge budget.

5842
03:22:20,960 --> 03:22:22,960
They have three cities that they do this

5843
03:22:22,960 --> 03:22:25,200
for. They should be and I know that the

5844
03:22:25,200 --> 03:22:27,600
other other cities around here are

5845
03:22:27,600 --> 03:22:29,760
>> trying to figure out why they're doing

5846
03:22:29,760 --> 03:22:32,319
their administrative work. We should be

5847
03:22:32,319 --> 03:22:33,439
>> they still do.

5848
03:22:33,439 --> 03:22:35,600
>> Yeah, they should have their own audited

5849
03:22:35,600 --> 03:22:37,439
financials.

5850
03:22:37,439 --> 03:22:39,439
>> City's bill for sewer. I don't I don't

5851
03:22:39,439 --> 03:22:39,920
know.

5852
03:22:39,920 --> 03:22:41,359
>> Just so I'm clear, this picture that I

5853
03:22:41,359 --> 03:22:44,080
took of like home values and the monthly

5854
03:22:44,080 --> 03:22:46,560
increase on a $1.2 $2 million home

5855
03:22:46,560 --> 03:22:49,200
was$,758. That includes this bond

5856
03:22:49,200 --> 03:22:49,760
payment.

5857
03:22:49,760 --> 03:22:50,239
>> Yes.

5858
03:22:50,239 --> 03:22:52,720
>> Increase, right? Of the rates plus our

5859
03:22:52,720 --> 03:22:54,720
truth and taxation at 22%.

5860
03:22:54,720 --> 03:22:55,200
>> Yes.

5861
03:22:55,200 --> 03:22:57,359
>> That's all included in that $17

5862
03:22:57,359 --> 03:22:58,160
>> and 58.

5863
03:22:58,160 --> 03:22:59,040
>> 58 cents a month.

5864
03:22:59,040 --> 03:23:00,239
>> Yes.

5865
03:23:00,239 --> 03:23:00,880
>> Okay.

5866
03:23:00,880 --> 03:23:04,399
>> And Josh reminded me too that uh we have

5867
03:23:04,399 --> 03:23:06,880
existing agreements with the sewer

5868
03:23:06,880 --> 03:23:08,960
district that there's no sunset on them.

5869
03:23:08,960 --> 03:23:10,800
So there's really kind of legal binding

5870
03:23:10,800 --> 03:23:13,439
documents that we're going to

5871
03:23:13,439 --> 03:23:14,560
>> for them. Smoke.

5872
03:23:14,560 --> 03:23:18,229
>> Who made that?

5873
03:23:18,239 --> 03:23:19,920
» I don't know.

5874
03:23:19,920 --> 03:23:21,040
>> It does smell like smoke.

5875
03:23:21,040 --> 03:23:24,640
>> Nobody ever smells like smoke right now.

5876
03:23:24,640 --> 03:23:28,800
>> Not like a cat like a like a like a

5877
03:23:28,800 --> 03:23:33,030
firefire.

5878
03:23:33,040 --> 03:23:35,279
» It's the smoke.

5879
03:23:35,279 --> 03:23:37,840
>> That's That will happen when you don't

5880
03:23:37,840 --> 03:23:39,520
feel [laughter]

5881
03:23:39,520 --> 03:23:41,040
>> I feel like there's a breeze coming from

5882
03:23:41,040 --> 03:23:42,560
outside.

5883
03:23:42,560 --> 03:23:45,510
>> On fire.

5884
03:23:45,520 --> 03:23:46,560
There is smoke.

5885
03:23:46,560 --> 03:23:48,960
>> Smells like wood. Smell like electrical.

5886
03:23:48,960 --> 03:23:50,000
>> It does smell like smoke.

5887
03:23:50,000 --> 03:23:52,960
>> It smells like being specific about

5888
03:23:52,960 --> 03:23:54,479
that. We just want smoke.

5889
03:23:54,479 --> 03:23:58,239
>> Don't you think we should call somebody?

5890
03:23:58,239 --> 03:24:00,399
>> Jeeps around. Honestly,

5891
03:24:00,399 --> 03:24:03,510
>> outside

5892
03:24:03,520 --> 03:24:07,321
if anybody's listening.

5893
03:24:07,331 --> 03:24:07,840
[laughter]

5894
03:24:07,840 --> 03:24:14,550
>> Are we enjoying this? John.

5895
03:24:14,560 --> 03:24:15,840
» Wait, wait. Do we need a motion to

5896
03:24:15,840 --> 03:24:16,560
adjourn?

5897
03:24:16,560 --> 03:24:17,439
>> Motion to

5898
03:24:17,439 --> 03:24:18,800
>> I have no idea. All

5899
03:24:18,800 --> 03:24:19,760
>> in favor?

5900
03:24:19,760 --> 03:24:20,160
>> I

5901
03:24:20,160 --> 03:24:28,950
>> live.

5902
03:24:28,960 --> 03:24:33,910
» Did that counting going on?

5903
03:24:33,920 --> 03:24:41,382
» Is this nitro?

5904
03:24:41,392 --> 03:24:46,389
» [laughter]

5905
03:24:46,399 --> 03:24:48,560
» Hey, if I can smell exact

5906
03:24:48,560 --> 03:24:49,520
I have no sense of

5907
03:24:49,520 --> 03:24:53,830
>> smell.

5908
03:24:53,840 --> 03:25:02,469
I smell smoke

5909
03:25:02,479 --> 03:25:12,229
from

5910
03:25:12,239 --> 03:25:18,950
water.

5911
03:25:18,960 --> 03:25:20,960
helps me stay away.

5912
03:25:20,960 --> 03:25:23,520
>> I need to do the zero sugars, but I love

5913
03:25:23,520 --> 03:25:27,670
>> Oh, no, no, no.

5914
03:25:27,680 --> 03:25:30,399
Look at it like I'm okay with a little

5915
03:25:30,399 --> 03:25:31,600
bit.

5916
03:25:31,600 --> 03:25:36,720
>> Why? I love uh you have the Viking