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get my iPad to work here.

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Welcome to the Municipal Building

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Authority of Kaysville City.

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Uh today is May Thursday, May 7th, 2026.

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6:55 p.m. The agenda shall be as

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follows. We'll have an opening,

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an adoption of fiscal year 2027

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tentative MBA budget and setting of

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public hearing, and then we'll have an

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adjournment. So the opening will be

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Oh, I just opened the meeting. The

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meeting is now open.

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Thank you. All right. I will turn the

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mic over to

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Jason, our city manager. Perfect.

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Uh all right, Mayor and Council, thank

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you. Um so, this is just uh we broke

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these items out to be uh even more

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clear.

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one tentative budget item,

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just really quickly, Municipal Building

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specifically to handle debt service on

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our bonds for for buildings. So, we have

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two buildings in the city that are

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currently being paid off. The police

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station bond, which retires in 2031, and

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the City Hall bond that retires in 2034.

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Um so, you can see there that the total

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revenues into this fund are 722,000.

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off, or the revenues there from

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transfers in from the general fund.

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the 478,000

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2027 budget,

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that's uh from police impact fee funds

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that that go into basically pay for the

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uh police bond. But, again,

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those pretty straightforward budget,

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really. Uh

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questions? Okay, Council, do we have any

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No lights or lights. Okay. All right.

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I'll make a motion that we approve the

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tentative Municipal Building Authority

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Fund budget for fiscal year 2027.

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we have a second?

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All right, we do. Councilmember

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adjourn this meeting?

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Motion to adjourn. Okay, all in favor?

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The next meeting that we have on the

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agenda is Let me find it.

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This is a meeting for the Redevelopment

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Agency in Kaysville.

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Today is August 30 August Sorry, today

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and we are in the Council Chambers, and

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we are having a meeting to address the

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Redevelopment Agency Board. So, now we

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opening the meeting. We'll have an

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adoption of fiscal year 2027 tentative

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RDA budget and setting a public hearing,

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and then we will adjourn.

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Jason. Thank you, Mayor. Um

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So, the Redevelopment Agency fund or RDA

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is specifically set up to collect

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revenues from the Smith's Marketplace

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project, the Flint Street um

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district.

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we get $130,000

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a year in uh tax increment financing

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from that project. That goes into this

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fund. Um that was a fund that was

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2014 or a project that was created in

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2014. So, it will close out in 2028. So,

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we continue to get 130,000 or so each

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uh that goes into this fund. Um we

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haven't traditionally spent really much

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of that money. Um it's been building up.

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close to It's over a million dollars

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now, but right now we've got budgeted

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70,000. That could be used for

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consulting fees if you wanted to look at

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other types of projects potentially um

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related to uh RDA.

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another straightforward, I think, budget

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unless there's any questions.

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have any questions regarding this

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account?

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this money is not spent on a project

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before it expires, what happens to it?

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great question. So, there's been recent

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legislation at the state level on how do

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understanding that

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we have to use that money

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for costs related specifically to the project that it was created for, in

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this case, Flint Street project,

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Smith's.

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long story is we we initially spent a

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lot of money out of the general fund to

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get that project going, doing

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public infrastructure improvements, you

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know, widening Flint Street, adding side

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sidewalks, utilities, power lines,

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street lights. Um, did some storm water

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improvements over there, and

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we work we are currently going through

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the process to try to reimburse

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ourselves for that using some of this

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fund balance.

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balance would be

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to do other projects that support the

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Flint Street project, such as

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widening other sections of Flint Street

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that are tied there, adding sidewalks,

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things like that.

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whatever's left over that we don't use

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for the project, our understanding is we

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would have to turn back, and it would be

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given back to the taxing entities that

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it came from, school district, even

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ourselves. So,

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reimburse some of those costs, right,

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that we've incurred.

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create a That alone might use up the

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whole amount, frankly, if we wanted to,

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for For just fix up Flint Street.

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knows that there's still lots of areas

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that need to be improved, widened,

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sidewalk needed, things like that. So,

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that's a certainly a possibility. When

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takes a little bit of planning for sure.

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through the process of seeing what's

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what the easy claim is. If we can

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reimburse ourselves some of that, that's the best cuz it's unrestricted.

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projects we could we could do um

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that are related. But uh yeah, I'm not

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sure how quickly we could get a project

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like that going, honestly. If it was a

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time-driven thing where we needed to use

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it by 2028, we'd put it as a high

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priority. Got you. Thank you. Council

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shown on this. Um

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revenues and expenditures and

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balance on there, but we we I

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don't know why we couldn't.

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everything else. I just curious why we

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Parker works in our finance department

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for those watching.

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Yeah, my name My name's Parker Godwin.

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I'm the uh deputy finance director.

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I've only been here a year. So, this is

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right off of our budget sheet. Um I'm

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not sure why it doesn't show fund

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balance.

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Our ACFR into June 2025 is 1,260,464.

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fiscal year 27, um it'll go up.

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on there? I I don't know. I don't think

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it's for any other purpose than maybe it

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hasn't been thought of.

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>> it's pertinent information. We'd like to

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have had it. Okay. Thank you. Okay. Yep.

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Thank you, Parker. Any other questions,

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Council?

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Councilmember Jackson. More of a just a

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comment. It would be my wish that we

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would

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reimburse the city for all that we put

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in there to help Smith get in that

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development first and foremost. And so

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Excellent. We We agree.

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Great. Thank you. Any other questions or

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comments, Council? No? Okay, then I'll

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entertain a motion.

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I'll make a motion that we approve.

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I'll second. Okay, thank you. We have a

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motion and a second. Councilmember Hunt.

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I. I. I. I.

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Okay, thank you. Motion carries. Would

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someone like to make a motion to adjourn

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this meeting?

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So moved. Okay, all in favor? I.

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Okay, all right. Wonderful.

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Okay, everyone. Welcome to Kaysville

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City Council meeting. Today is Thursday,

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May 7th, 2026,

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5 after 7.

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The opening will be presented by

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Councilmember Hunt, who will then lead

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us in the Pledge of Allegiance, and then

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we will have call to the public, and

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I'll explain how that works

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after the Pledge of Allegiance. Thank

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you, Councilmember Hunt.

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Thanks so much for being here. It's

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always nice to look out and see actual

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people. Um

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so I spent some time

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uh having some introspection because I

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found myself with all of a sudden a lot

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of free time recently.

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Um and I went over a quote that I really

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like. So I want to share it with you and

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then kind of talk about it. Um it it's

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by Theodore Roosevelt. It says, "It is

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not the critic who counts, not the man

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who points out how the strong man

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stumbles or where the doer of deeds

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could have done better. The credit

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belongs to the man who is actually in

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the arena, whose face is marred by dust

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and sweat and blood, who strives

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valiantly, who errs and comes up short

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again and again, because there is no

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effort without error or shortcoming. But

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he [clears throat] knows the great

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enthusiasms, the great devotions, who

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spends himself for a worthy cause, who

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at the best knows in the end the triumph

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of high achievement, and who at the

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worst, if he fails, at least he fails

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while daring greatly, so that his place

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shall never be with those cold and timid

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souls

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who knew neither victory nor defeat. Um,

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and as I was reading it, one of the

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things that really stood out to me was

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the line, "Because there is no effort

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without error or shortcoming." And it

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really kind of struck me

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uh, as we've gone through this budget

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season, um,

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not because I think any of us are

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great. I'm I think everyone here is

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great. I guess I'm trying to say I don't

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think of myself as some extraordinary

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man in the arena so much as,

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you know, everyone in our lives are are

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the people in the arena doing the things

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that we do best, doing our best at

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whatever we try.

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Um, but the line, "Because there is no

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effort without error or shortcoming,"

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just reminded me that,

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as a council,

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you know, none of us are perfect. We're

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all doing our best. Um,

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and uh,

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even though we're not perfect, what we

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all are is passionate about serving the

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city and trying to find the the balances

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that we have to between providing

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services, um, without placing a burden

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on residents, and just doing the best we

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can for everyone. So, it was

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I don't know, it was just a good

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reminder that, you know, we're all kind

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of

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citizen servants up here. We all have

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our own lives. I was at a wax museum

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across the street for my third grader

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today. Everyone was doing their own

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thing today. Earlier this week we had a

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3 and 1/2 hour meeting. Like, we're all

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living our lives, but we're also willing

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to to work here and try to give back,

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and um,

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and I just it just struck me not because

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I think, you know, we're all so amazing,

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but because this government we have is

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really

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something special and something

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worthwhile where we can all talk

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together and try to come up with solutions

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together. So, with that, why don't we go

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ahead and do the pledge? Thank you.

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I pledge allegiance to the flag of the

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United States of America and to the

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republic for which it stands, one nation

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under God, indivisible, with liberty and

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justice for all.

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Thank you.

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Council member Hunt, thank you for that.

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I thought that was that was beautiful.

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All right. Okay, so the next item on the

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agenda is called call to the public.

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It's an opportunity for people from the

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community to come and speak to us for 3

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minutes about whatever you would like to

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share. We don't have anyone signed up to

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speak to call to the public tonight and

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so we will move on

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to the next item on the agenda, which is

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presentations and awards.

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The first presentation we're always

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excited about these, but it is a

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presentation to Kelton Vine for

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receiving his supervising fire officer

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designation and I will turn the mic over

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to Chief Erickson to present this and it

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is so neat to see so many of our first

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responders share with us. So, thank you.

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Mayor, council,

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city leaders,

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residents, I thank you for your time

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this evening.

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Uh this is probably the best part of my

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job, to be honest with you.

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Um

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Kelton's a uh not only a a very good

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paramedic and firefighter.

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Um

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he's a very professional, dedicated

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individual to our city.

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Uh he's been here 9 years

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uh with us 4 years as a paramedic. He is

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one of three of our senior medics.

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Uh,

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Kelton has earned supervising fire

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officer designation. That doesn't mean a

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whole lot to you, but it means to me is

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about 12 to 15 different certifications,

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licensures, and

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almost 2 years of college

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combined in all these various classes.

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Um, he's designated chief through his

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career development classes. He's got a

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few more steps to go as he climbs the

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ladder in his profession.

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Uh, earning supervising fire officer

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designation, first level of his career

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like I just spoke about. Uh, please join

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me and thank Kelton Vine now as a

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designated fire officer.

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>> [applause]

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» Stand here. Here is your plaque.

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Here, would you like to say something?

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>> Yes, okay.

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We would We would love to get a picture

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with you. And if you have family here,

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Kelton, that would like a picture, tell

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them to come up first.

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>> Yeah, we'll bring them up. Call all the

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kids up.

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Family, friends.

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And then we'll We'll do a council

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picture. We're super proud of you. Thank

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you.

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Okay, great. Our turn.

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» [laughter]

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» I love it when we have an audience to

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celebrate our great employees and great

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people in our community. So, it's fun.

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Thanks for being here.

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Okay, the next item um

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this individual couldn't make it, so

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we'll go to C which is recognize

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recognition of three award recipients

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from the I Can Make a Difference Program

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for good sportsmanship. This is always a

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really exciting award to be able to give

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to our students. So, cool.

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Thank you, Mayor and Council. This is a

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I don't get the opportunity to do this

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very often. I usually let uh

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recreation staff handle this, but this

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is just an exciting thing that we do in

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our recreation division

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is sportsmanship.

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And there's been three individuals that

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have been nominated nominated for our

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Junior Jazz [snorts]

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program. Just to give you a background

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our Junior Jazz program we serve 1500 uh

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kids throughout our community from

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kindergarten all the way up through high

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school

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that participate in our basketball

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program.

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And these are the three winners that

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were nominated by their peers. We have a gift card from Boondocks for them and

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as well as a plaque. But

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I'm going to call them up one by one and

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then we'll hand them their plaques

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afterwards. But if I could have Hunter

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Felt come up.

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So cute.

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>> [applause]

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» If [applause] you want to If you want to

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stand right there, let me read um

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what recreation and what the nominee

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said about Hunter here.

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Hunter was nominated uh for uh in quotes

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There was a boy from the other team that

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started to cry. Hunter went over to

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check on him and said it would be all

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right.

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High-fived him and then at the end of

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the game checked back in with him and

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offered to share his team's snacks with

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him. That's so sweet. Good job, Hunter.

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>> If you want to

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>> [applause]

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>> stay here for a second Okay. If we could

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have uh

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William Mayer come up.

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Uh William was nominated for

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uh this is in quotes Will worked so hard

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during our game today.

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We were behind a lot by

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behind a lot with no subs to give anyone

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on our team a rest. Will ran and ran and

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never gave up.

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He didn't show any signs of frustration

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and kept a good attitude through the

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entire game even though he must have

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been completely exhausted. He kept a

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smile on his face and showed the rest of

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our team how to keep trying and working

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even though circumstances were not ideal

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and the outcome was not what our team

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hoped for. He showed true positivity and

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leadership on the court today.

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Congrats, William.

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>> [applause]

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» And then our final if we could have

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Avery Peterson.

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» [snorts]

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>> Uh Avery was nominated from our high

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school

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league.

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Our high school team has four girls who

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never played and many of the other team

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members are frustrated and exclude them,

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but Avery is always smiling at them,

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passing to them and encouraging them.

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I truly think she she 100% deserves the

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good sportsmanship award.

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AVERY, THANK YOU.

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>> [applause]

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>> AND THESE THREE ARE JUST A GREAT EXAMPLE

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OF what I think recreation sports do for

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a community is to help people become

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better and create good citizens. So,

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we just appreciate your good

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sportsmanship and would like to award

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you with these plaques.

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Hunter

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And again, there's a gift cards to

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Boondocks, a bag and then a Junior Jazz

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or a Jazz t-shirt in there. So, thank

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you again.

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>> Thank you. Will you guys stay up here?

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I I love the fact that we have such a

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great age groups represented and Will is

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in my word. So, very very special to me

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especially. So, congratulations you

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guys. We would love to get a picture

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with you. If your families want to come

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00:22:41,880 --> 00:22:43,120
up, we'd love a picture with your

556
00:22:43,120 --> 00:22:45,040
families as well. So, families, do you

557
00:22:45,040 --> 00:22:46,400
want to come up?

558
00:22:46,400 --> 00:22:53,790
Okay. If you're here,

559
00:22:53,800 --> 00:22:55,240
Yeah. And then we'll do a picture with

560
00:22:55,240 --> 00:23:06,030
you guys. Yeah.

561
00:23:06,040 --> 00:23:07,120
» Yeah.

562
00:23:07,120 --> 00:23:15,310
jump in.

563
00:23:15,320 --> 00:23:18,000
Wow, that's a big family.

564
00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:27,710
Eight brothers and sisters here.

565
00:23:27,720 --> 00:23:29,160
Okay, cool. And now we'd love to a

566
00:23:29,160 --> 00:23:30,080
council picture with

567
00:23:30,080 --> 00:23:41,356
>> Yeah.

568
00:23:41,366 --> 00:24:02,971
» [snorts]

569
00:24:02,981 --> 00:24:23,270
[applause]

570
00:24:23,280 --> 00:24:25,360
» All right, thank you. That was really

571
00:24:25,360 --> 00:24:27,720
fun. Love being able to recognize our

572
00:24:27,720 --> 00:24:29,640
outstanding students and our outstanding

573
00:24:29,640 --> 00:24:31,480
employees.

574
00:24:31,480 --> 00:24:34,240
And good sportsmanship, you know, is a

575
00:24:34,240 --> 00:24:36,560
basis for good citizenship. And so, we

576
00:24:36,560 --> 00:24:38,000
appreciate that.

577
00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:40,440
Okay, now we have a presentation for the

578
00:24:40,440 --> 00:24:43,160
graduating 2025-2026

579
00:24:43,160 --> 00:24:45,760
UCity Council members. I will turn the

580
00:24:45,760 --> 00:24:48,720
mic over to Council member John Adams

581
00:24:48,720 --> 00:24:50,960
and Linda Francis, who is their advisor,

582
00:24:50,960 --> 00:24:55,430
their fearless leader.

583
00:24:55,440 --> 00:24:57,600
Yeah, so actually if I'm going to switch

584
00:24:57,600 --> 00:24:59,800
it this if it's okay with you, Linda,

585
00:24:59,800 --> 00:25:02,280
I'd like you to be the one that calls

586
00:25:02,280 --> 00:25:03,640
and announces them out. Are you okay to

587
00:25:03,640 --> 00:25:06,040
come up and do that? Okay. Is Is that

588
00:25:06,040 --> 00:25:08,960
all right, Mayor? I So,

589
00:25:08,960 --> 00:25:10,320
Linda

590
00:25:10,320 --> 00:25:13,560
is quite possibly the best person on the

591
00:25:13,560 --> 00:25:17,430
planet. Um

592
00:25:17,440 --> 00:25:19,360
I'm just going to brag her up here. For

593
00:25:19,360 --> 00:25:21,280
how many years now?

594
00:25:21,280 --> 00:25:22,400
Um

595
00:25:22,400 --> 00:25:24,480
9 and 1/2. 9 and 1/2, so we'll just say

596
00:25:24,480 --> 00:25:25,720
10 years.

597
00:25:25,720 --> 00:25:27,960
For 10 years, uh she's been leading this

598
00:25:27,960 --> 00:25:29,800
Youth City Council and it was nothing

599
00:25:29,800 --> 00:25:32,840
before she came around and now it is

600
00:25:32,840 --> 00:25:35,280
it it's the apple of uh what would the

601
00:25:35,280 --> 00:25:37,440
apple of our eye? Is that even a thing?

602
00:25:37,440 --> 00:25:41,040
It It's the most It We We are like

603
00:25:41,040 --> 00:25:43,480
looked upon and everybody's jealous of

604
00:25:43,480 --> 00:25:46,040
how great Kaysville Youth City Council

605
00:25:46,040 --> 00:25:47,040
is.

606
00:25:47,040 --> 00:25:50,200
Um and it's because of Linda and so uh I

607
00:25:50,200 --> 00:25:52,960
want to thank her so much. She probably

608
00:25:52,960 --> 00:25:55,760
is about done because uh her kids have

609
00:25:55,760 --> 00:26:01,320
gone and moved on and um and so we're asking if anybody is interested in

610
00:26:01,320 --> 00:26:02,720
coming out. You're going to have big

611
00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:05,560
shoes to fill, but there's uh still

612
00:26:05,560 --> 00:26:08,360
runway to be had with these young folks.

613
00:26:08,360 --> 00:26:09,880
And so we've got some seniors and I'm

614
00:26:09,880 --> 00:26:12,160
going to have her uh maybe give them out

615
00:26:12,160 --> 00:26:14,000
and then I Since we've only got four of

616
00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:15,480
them, I think they should just say like

617
00:26:15,480 --> 00:26:17,600
maybe a quick thing about what they're

618
00:26:17,600 --> 00:26:19,600
grateful for with Youth City Council.

619
00:26:19,600 --> 00:26:21,120
You guys okay with that? I mean, you

620
00:26:21,120 --> 00:26:22,400
should be. You're going to be public

621
00:26:22,400 --> 00:26:24,800
officials, so Right, exactly. Okay.

622
00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:27,120
Yeah, we're good. Yeah.

623
00:26:27,120 --> 00:26:28,760
And actually, that is the secret to the

624
00:26:28,760 --> 00:26:31,400
success is the great kids um that come

625
00:26:31,400 --> 00:26:32,880
in and so it's really a pleasure to work

626
00:26:32,880 --> 00:26:34,720
with them and um

627
00:26:34,720 --> 00:26:36,600
we're busier when the mayor and the

628
00:26:36,600 --> 00:26:38,120
council, they kind of run their own

629
00:26:38,120 --> 00:26:40,200
thing. And so if they are unable to do a

630
00:26:40,200 --> 00:26:41,480
lot of things, we have less that they

631
00:26:41,480 --> 00:26:43,320
do. And they're busy kids. They're

632
00:26:43,320 --> 00:26:45,200
leaders in their um

633
00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:48,240
schools already and they still are able

634
00:26:48,240 --> 00:26:51,280
to take the time to come to a monthly um

635
00:26:51,280 --> 00:26:53,800
council meeting and then usually we have

636
00:26:53,800 --> 00:26:57,280
about a monthly event as well. And

637
00:26:57,280 --> 00:26:58,920
things that we've helped with are with

638
00:26:58,920 --> 00:27:00,200
the scarecrow walk with the USU

639
00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:02,400
extension service. This year we did some

640
00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:03,840
work during the summer with the health

641
00:27:03,840 --> 00:27:06,480
department and their um

642
00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:08,800
their programs. And we've helped with

643
00:27:08,800 --> 00:27:10,240
the fable forest which is a great

644
00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:12,240
service project in

645
00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:14,000
along with the Fruit Heights Youth City

646
00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:16,040
Council. And we help with Kaysville

647
00:27:16,040 --> 00:27:18,320
Gives, the kids get to do Day at the

648
00:27:18,320 --> 00:27:20,000
Legislature.

649
00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:21,560
Um it's just it's And then they help

650
00:27:21,560 --> 00:27:22,640
with the Easter egg hunt, maybe you've

651
00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:24,840
seen them around there. So, they're they

652
00:27:24,840 --> 00:27:26,560
really do a great job and Bodie this

653
00:27:26,560 --> 00:27:28,800
year was one of our was was our youth

654
00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:31,560
mayor. So, Bodie Schimmer

655
00:27:31,560 --> 00:27:32,040
can come on up.

656
00:27:32,040 --> 00:27:33,238
>> YEAH. ALL RIGHT.

657
00:27:33,238 --> 00:27:39,350
>> [cheering and applause]

658
00:27:39,360 --> 00:27:41,640
» AND THEN WE HAVE NATALIE BARLOW.

659
00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:43,719
ALL RIGHT.

660
00:27:43,719 --> 00:27:48,350
>> [applause]

661
00:27:48,360 --> 00:27:51,579
» AND JASON HAYES.

662
00:27:51,579 --> 00:27:55,470
>> [applause]

663
00:27:55,480 --> 00:27:56,920
» AND HE'S not here today, but McKay

664
00:27:56,920 --> 00:28:02,590
Clements. All [applause] right.

665
00:28:02,600 --> 00:28:04,280
Okay, quick quick you guys favorite

666
00:28:04,280 --> 00:28:06,480
thing. You you would give us a

667
00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:08,360
your 1-minute spiel.

668
00:28:08,360 --> 00:28:08,960
Something you love.

669
00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:10,640
>> say my favorite thing is I remember when

670
00:28:10,640 --> 00:28:12,760
I was younger I went to the actual

671
00:28:12,760 --> 00:28:14,280
Easter egg hunt and I always loved doing

672
00:28:14,280 --> 00:28:16,160
it. I always made it really good well,

673
00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:18,160
really fun memories with my dad and my

674
00:28:18,160 --> 00:28:20,120
siblings and I always saw the people

675
00:28:20,120 --> 00:28:22,760
help setting it up and take it down and

676
00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:24,280
I'm grateful that I get to now do that

677
00:28:24,280 --> 00:28:26,920
for the youth of Kaysville. Thank you.

678
00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:30,390
Good [applause] job.

679
00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:33,240
Uh I've just been grateful to um

680
00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:35,640
participate in all these city projects,

681
00:28:35,640 --> 00:28:41,080
um really be able to serve our fellow neighbors um and it's just

682
00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:42,480
been a great opportunity to be with

683
00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:45,289
everyone. Thank you.

684
00:28:45,289 --> 00:28:48,550
>> [applause]

685
00:28:48,560 --> 00:28:50,520
» Yeah, I absolutely love the city of

686
00:28:50,520 --> 00:28:52,760
Kaysville and being able to give back to

687
00:28:52,760 --> 00:28:54,240
it whether it's from the 4th of July

688
00:28:54,240 --> 00:28:56,680
parades to Kaysville Gives. I've

689
00:28:56,680 --> 00:28:57,720
really loved giving back to the

690
00:28:57,720 --> 00:29:00,960
community that I've really benefited

691
00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:02,975
from so much. Well, thank you.

692
00:29:02,975 --> 00:29:09,310
>> [applause]

693
00:29:09,320 --> 00:29:11,480
» Linda, you're in the picture. Yes.

694
00:29:11,480 --> 00:29:16,065
Nice.

695
00:29:16,075 --> 00:29:24,580
» [applause]

696
00:29:24,590 --> 00:29:30,510
[laughter]

697
00:29:30,520 --> 00:29:35,950
» Yeah, hold them up.

698
00:29:35,960 --> 00:29:43,120
Thanks you guys. Thank you.

699
00:29:43,120 --> 00:29:51,310
Thank you.

700
00:29:51,320 --> 00:29:54,000
so much.

701
00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:56,120
Okay, any more pictures?

702
00:29:56,120 --> 00:29:57,280
I don't think so.

703
00:29:57,280 --> 00:29:58,800
I don't have all my steps in yet, so we

704
00:29:58,800 --> 00:30:00,640
better take a picture.

705
00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:03,310
Okay.

706
00:30:03,320 --> 00:30:10,430
Alrighty.

707
00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:13,280
Okay, thank you and thank you Linda. She

708
00:30:13,280 --> 00:30:16,320
is going to be irreplaceable. However,

709
00:30:16,320 --> 00:30:19,000
we do need a replacement for her. So, if

710
00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:20,880
you know anyone in the community that

711
00:30:20,880 --> 00:30:23,120
loves working with the youth, please

712
00:30:23,120 --> 00:30:25,200
send them our way.

713
00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:27,560
It It does require a little bit of of

714
00:30:27,560 --> 00:30:29,280
time commitment. It is a service

715
00:30:29,280 --> 00:30:31,360
opportunity and it's such a great

716
00:30:31,360 --> 00:30:33,240
benefit to these kids. They get to learn

717
00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:34,920
about politics, they get to learn about

718
00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:37,040
service and they get to use this

719
00:30:37,040 --> 00:30:38,280
experience for their college

720
00:30:38,280 --> 00:30:40,160
applications and it really helps them

721
00:30:40,160 --> 00:30:42,120
kind of have an edge in learning about

722
00:30:42,120 --> 00:30:44,040
this. So, anyone out there to nominate

723
00:30:44,040 --> 00:30:45,800
your friends, your family, your mom,

724
00:30:45,800 --> 00:30:48,040
your dad, your neighbors, it'd be great.

725
00:30:48,040 --> 00:30:50,000
>> Mayor. Mayor. Yes. Can I give a little

726
00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:51,960
shout out to our mayor and councilmember

727
00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:55,320
Adams? Most youth councils

728
00:30:55,320 --> 00:30:57,880
uh don't get access to the governor,

729
00:30:57,880 --> 00:30:59,720
lieutenant governor, and our top leaders

730
00:30:59,720 --> 00:31:01,920
in the state, but every year we're

731
00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:04,400
meeting with the very top officials, and

732
00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:06,200
it's very few youth councils get that

733
00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:07,480
opportunity. So, I just want to

734
00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:09,320
highlight the good work of our mayor and

735
00:31:09,320 --> 00:31:11,440
councilmember Adams. Thank you.

736
00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:13,720
In fact, so much so that um

737
00:31:13,720 --> 00:31:15,200
we've been told we kind of hogged that

738
00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:17,640
spotlight at times. Other cities have

739
00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:18,800
complained that they don't get those

740
00:31:18,800 --> 00:31:20,000
interviews. So, that's all thanks to

741
00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:22,320
councilmember Adams. Good job.

742
00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:24,456
It's got to work. Yep.

743
00:31:24,456 --> 00:31:29,670
>> [applause]

744
00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:32,080
» All right. We have three proclamations,

745
00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:33,520
which um

746
00:31:33,520 --> 00:31:35,080
I'll name them. We're not going to read

747
00:31:35,080 --> 00:31:37,400
them. Um the first proclamation is

748
00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:40,080
declaring May 2026 as Building Safety

749
00:31:40,080 --> 00:31:42,520
Month. It's in the packet, so if you

750
00:31:42,520 --> 00:31:44,000
would like to read that, we will sign

751
00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:46,000
that. That's an official proclamation.

752
00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:48,120
The second is a proclamation declaring

753
00:31:48,120 --> 00:31:51,400
May 11th through 16th as Police Week. We

754
00:31:51,400 --> 00:31:53,600
appreciate our policemen for being here,

755
00:31:53,600 --> 00:31:55,840
police officers for being here.

756
00:31:55,840 --> 00:31:58,080
And then the third proclamation is

757
00:31:58,080 --> 00:32:00,560
declaring May 17th through 23rd as

758
00:32:00,560 --> 00:32:01,800
Public

759
00:32:01,800 --> 00:32:04,440
Works Week. And we love our Public Works

760
00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:06,400
team, and we appreciate that. So, we do

761
00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:07,720
have proclamations that we do. Some

762
00:32:07,720 --> 00:32:10,520
cities don't. We do them as a ceremonial

763
00:32:10,520 --> 00:32:12,760
extra thank you for your service, so

764
00:32:12,760 --> 00:32:14,280
that we can highlight all the great work

765
00:32:14,280 --> 00:32:17,560
you do. So, thank you thank you all.

766
00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:19,080
The next item on the agenda is a

767
00:32:19,080 --> 00:32:20,720
presentation to Ryan Roberts for

768
00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:23,360
receiving the 2025 American Public Works

769
00:32:23,360 --> 00:32:25,560
Association Outstanding Snow Removal

770
00:32:25,560 --> 00:32:28,000
Professional Award, which is a very big

771
00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:30,080
deal. So, I'll turn the mic over to

772
00:32:30,080 --> 00:32:33,080
Director Josh Belknap. Thank you, Mayor

773
00:32:33,080 --> 00:32:36,240
and Council. That is the longest

774
00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:39,160
uh award name ever. I love it. Yeah. And

775
00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:40,520
I'm still trying to figure out the

776
00:32:40,520 --> 00:32:43,240
acronym for it. But uh

777
00:32:43,240 --> 00:32:47,360
Ryan has the privilege of getting to

778
00:32:47,360 --> 00:32:50,280
witness me cry 2 days in a row. So, this

779
00:32:50,280 --> 00:32:53,240
is This is an exciting opportunity.

780
00:32:53,240 --> 00:32:54,600
Um

781
00:32:54,600 --> 00:32:57,520
Uh but yeah, Ryan uh has been with

782
00:32:57,520 --> 00:33:04,760
Kaysville City over 16 years. 15 Almost 16 years. Uh Ryan currently

783
00:33:04,760 --> 00:33:06,680
serves as the streets manager for

784
00:33:06,680 --> 00:33:09,360
Kaysville City. Uh and among uh his

785
00:33:09,360 --> 00:33:11,840
various duties as the streets manager,

786
00:33:11,840 --> 00:33:14,320
uh Ryan oversees snow plowing efforts

787
00:33:14,320 --> 00:33:16,280
for the city of Kaysville.

788
00:33:16,280 --> 00:33:20,200
Um uh I I got an email uh from a a

789
00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:22,160
friend of mine who serves on the APWA

790
00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:25,160
board uh asking like, "Hey, do you know

791
00:33:25,160 --> 00:33:27,640
of anybody uh who

792
00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:28,200
uh

793
00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:30,920
has gone above and beyond in in terms of

794
00:33:30,920 --> 00:33:32,880
snow removal?" And I think he was

795
00:33:32,880 --> 00:33:34,520
wondering about other cities or other

796
00:33:34,520 --> 00:33:37,160
colleagues, and I thought of Ryan.

797
00:33:37,160 --> 00:33:39,000
Uh and it was it was my privilege to

798
00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:41,320
nominate Ryan. Uh

799
00:33:41,320 --> 00:33:44,240
the changes that have taken place in how

800
00:33:44,240 --> 00:33:46,240
Kaysville removes snow, how quickly it

801
00:33:46,240 --> 00:33:49,400
removes snow, uh the efficiencies uh

802
00:33:49,400 --> 00:33:52,040
that we've seen because of Ryan's

803
00:33:52,040 --> 00:33:54,240
efforts and Ryan's leadership uh have

804
00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:55,160
been

805
00:33:55,160 --> 00:33:56,920
absolutely amazing.

806
00:33:56,920 --> 00:34:00,040
Uh from reducing snow plowing from uh

807
00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:02,000
maybe a 14-hour operation to about a

808
00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:03,960
9-hour operation,

809
00:34:03,960 --> 00:34:07,120
uh trying to minimize the amount of uh

810
00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:09,000
time that people are taking away from

811
00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:11,399
their their personal schedule and

812
00:34:11,399 --> 00:34:12,960
reducing the amount of overtime that we

813
00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:16,560
utilize, uh Ryan is

814
00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:19,200
one of the very best uh at at what he

815
00:34:19,200 --> 00:34:22,120
does, and we're grateful to have him. Um

816
00:34:22,120 --> 00:34:24,990
So, yeah, just

817
00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:29,720
Sorry. Love Ryan and and everybody in public

818
00:34:29,720 --> 00:34:31,760
works. Uh

819
00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:33,879
really fun and exciting month here for

820
00:34:33,879 --> 00:34:35,639
us. So, with that I'm going to turn the

821
00:34:35,639 --> 00:34:38,240
time over to Heather Wadman with APWA

822
00:34:38,240 --> 00:34:42,913
Utah to present that award.

823
00:34:42,923 --> 00:34:45,869
» [applause]

824
00:34:45,879 --> 00:34:50,149
» Thank you, Josh. Thank you.

825
00:34:50,159 --> 00:34:52,080
I'm excited to be here. Thanks for

826
00:34:52,080 --> 00:34:54,919
having me. I'm Heather Wadman like Josh

827
00:34:54,919 --> 00:34:57,480
mentioned. I am the current president of

828
00:34:57,480 --> 00:34:59,000
the Utah chapter of American Public

829
00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:00,800
Works Association.

830
00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:03,080
And I'm here tonight to

831
00:35:03,080 --> 00:35:06,400
present this award. I guess the

832
00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:09,779
acronym could be O's Ruble.

833
00:35:09,779 --> 00:35:10,760
>> [laughter]

834
00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:12,840
>> Outstanding snow remover removal

835
00:35:12,840 --> 00:35:16,200
professional of the year award. Snow

836
00:35:16,200 --> 00:35:19,000
removal isn't just about convenience.

837
00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:21,520
It's not just about getting to work or

838
00:35:21,520 --> 00:35:23,640
school or the grocery store.

839
00:35:23,640 --> 00:35:25,080
It's about keeping a community

840
00:35:25,080 --> 00:35:26,400
functioning.

841
00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:27,760
Right? It's about ensuring our first

842
00:35:27,760 --> 00:35:29,480
responders can make it to an emergency

843
00:35:29,480 --> 00:35:30,840
in time.

844
00:35:30,840 --> 00:35:34,160
And it's without without snow removal

845
00:35:34,160 --> 00:35:35,960
city quickly can become immobilized in a

846
00:35:35,960 --> 00:35:37,640
storm event.

847
00:35:37,640 --> 00:35:40,960
And the people who make that happen,

848
00:35:40,960 --> 00:35:42,160
they're not just working a regular

849
00:35:42,160 --> 00:35:44,520
schedule. They're on call. They're at

850
00:35:44,520 --> 00:35:46,680
the mercy of Mother Nature.

851
00:35:46,680 --> 00:35:48,120
They're working nights, weekends,

852
00:35:48,120 --> 00:35:49,360
holidays.

853
00:35:49,360 --> 00:35:51,600
And I've heard stories from other

854
00:35:51,600 --> 00:35:53,920
operators of having to pull over and

855
00:35:53,920 --> 00:35:56,040
watch their kids open presents on

856
00:35:56,040 --> 00:35:58,440
Christmas Day over FaceTime.

857
00:35:58,440 --> 00:35:59,880
Or missing that opportunity all

858
00:35:59,880 --> 00:36:01,200
together.

859
00:36:01,200 --> 00:36:03,400
It's demanding work and it's often a

860
00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:05,040
thankless job.

861
00:36:05,040 --> 00:36:07,360
Often times you hear complaints about

862
00:36:07,360 --> 00:36:09,240
what wasn't plowed versus appreciation

863
00:36:09,240 --> 00:36:10,520
of what was.

864
00:36:10,520 --> 00:36:12,520
So, it's so important to acknowledge

865
00:36:12,520 --> 00:36:14,840
excellence in this field.

866
00:36:14,840 --> 00:36:16,320
And I can tell Josh you're just as

867
00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:18,600
passionate as about this field as I am.

868
00:36:18,600 --> 00:36:21,200
I'm a proud public works department

869
00:36:21,200 --> 00:36:24,040
employee Ogden City. And I I care a lot

870
00:36:24,040 --> 00:36:25,920
for this industry. And it's not

871
00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:28,480
recognized as good as it should be.

872
00:36:28,480 --> 00:36:32,430
Um

873
00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:33,800
I wrote down some notes cuz I wanted

874
00:36:33,800 --> 00:36:34,840
this to be perfect, but I'm already

875
00:36:34,840 --> 00:36:36,040
messing it up.

876
00:36:36,040 --> 00:36:38,160
Uh so anyway, it it's important to

877
00:36:38,160 --> 00:36:39,520
recognize that its importance and show

878
00:36:39,520 --> 00:36:41,800
gratitude for it when you can.

879
00:36:41,800 --> 00:36:43,720
Uh this award honors individuals that

880
00:36:43,720 --> 00:36:45,240
have went above and beyond, and the

881
00:36:45,240 --> 00:36:47,480
nomination that Josh put in for Ryan

882
00:36:47,480 --> 00:36:50,760
shows a clear example that Ryan has went

883
00:36:50,760 --> 00:36:53,200
above and beyond for his community to

884
00:36:53,200 --> 00:36:55,560
keep the the community functioning

885
00:36:55,560 --> 00:36:57,480
during storm events.

886
00:36:57,480 --> 00:36:59,840
Uh so without further ado, Ryan, uh I

887
00:36:59,840 --> 00:37:01,880
appreciate your dedication to the

888
00:37:01,880 --> 00:37:04,440
profession, to your city, and to the

889
00:37:04,440 --> 00:37:05,480
community.

890
00:37:05,480 --> 00:37:06,370
Thank you.

891
00:37:06,370 --> 00:37:10,390
>> [applause]

892
00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:14,510
» Thank you. One more picture now?

893
00:37:14,520 --> 00:37:15,640
Ryan,

894
00:37:15,640 --> 00:37:17,560
we you want to do a picture with you

895
00:37:17,560 --> 00:37:19,960
because this is so fun. He's so good at

896
00:37:19,960 --> 00:37:25,150
it. He made it quit snowing.

897
00:37:25,160 --> 00:37:26,360
I didn't even notice the sun was

898
00:37:26,360 --> 00:37:28,200
shining. That's pretty cool.

899
00:37:28,200 --> 00:37:31,800
Good job. Yeah, that was his doing.

900
00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:33,440
I can see that. He's so good at it.

901
00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:35,160
Yeah, I got it because it didn't snow at

902
00:37:35,160 --> 00:37:36,501
all.

903
00:37:36,501 --> 00:37:51,630
>> [laughter]

904
00:37:51,640 --> 00:37:59,390
» Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

905
00:37:59,400 --> 00:38:02,160
Yeah, thanks, sir. Thank you.

906
00:38:02,160 --> 00:38:17,630
Hey, Shakes.

907
00:38:17,640 --> 00:38:19,320
Ryan, thank you. We really appreciate

908
00:38:19,320 --> 00:38:21,560
you. I don't know if anyone remembers,

909
00:38:21,560 --> 00:38:25,000
but gosh, maybe 10 years or so during

910
00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:27,400
budget conversations, um a decision was

911
00:38:27,400 --> 00:38:30,520
made by a council to um discontinue snow

912
00:38:30,520 --> 00:38:31,960
removal.

913
00:38:31,960 --> 00:38:35,600
And um boy, you sure notice what happens

914
00:38:35,600 --> 00:38:41,680
when you don't have that service. It it completely um messed up the city for

915
00:38:41,680 --> 00:38:43,800
a while. And so, it's so important and

916
00:38:43,800 --> 00:38:45,200
it's such a thankless job. There's so

917
00:38:45,200 --> 00:38:46,600
many things that happen that we just

918
00:38:46,600 --> 00:38:48,320
don't appreciate as well as we should.

919
00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:49,520
So, thank you.

920
00:38:49,520 --> 00:38:51,560
Okay. So, now we'll have a Kaysville

921
00:38:51,560 --> 00:38:54,200
Public Works Annual Report by Josh

922
00:38:54,200 --> 00:38:55,400
Belnap. Yes, go ahead.

923
00:38:55,400 --> 00:38:57,200
>> I think Chief Ellington wants to read

924
00:38:57,200 --> 00:38:59,600
the police proclamation.

925
00:38:59,600 --> 00:39:02,307
Oh, did you? Oh, Chief. Okay.

926
00:39:02,307 --> 00:39:02,880
>> [laughter]

927
00:39:02,880 --> 00:39:04,760
>> Chief, I'm sorry. Did one of you want to

928
00:39:04,760 --> 00:39:05,440
read that?

929
00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:06,280
>> you?

930
00:39:06,280 --> 00:39:07,640
It's a great idea.

931
00:39:07,640 --> 00:39:09,960
>> I'd do it, but come on down.

932
00:39:09,960 --> 00:39:13,000
No, I just I was just teasing. I was

933
00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:14,680
teasing Seth.

934
00:39:14,680 --> 00:39:16,240
Oh, are we I just thought if you could

935
00:39:16,240 --> 00:39:17,880
do a proclamation, we ought to have some

936
00:39:17,880 --> 00:39:20,480
cops here, so Oh, well, and and I'm

937
00:39:20,480 --> 00:39:22,400
sorry. The only reason we didn't is cuz

938
00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:24,480
we have a long agenda. Sorry.

939
00:39:24,480 --> 00:39:24,920
>> see

940
00:39:24,920 --> 00:39:25,600
>> Are we okay?

941
00:39:25,600 --> 00:39:27,600
>> see Chief Chief Ellington really wanted

942
00:39:27,600 --> 00:39:28,200
to read it now.

943
00:39:28,200 --> 00:39:30,680
>> Okay. Okay. We we appreciate you guys

944
00:39:30,680 --> 00:39:32,520
all being here. Please don't take that

945
00:39:32,520 --> 00:39:34,760
as any sort of um I thought there was

946
00:39:34,760 --> 00:39:36,440
>> ingratitude on our

947
00:39:36,440 --> 00:39:38,640
on on our part.

948
00:39:38,640 --> 00:39:40,280
But but thanks for being here to support

949
00:39:40,280 --> 00:39:43,480
us. We were just trying to um minimize

950
00:39:43,480 --> 00:39:46,790
and be efficient with our time.

951
00:39:46,800 --> 00:39:49,040
Okay, all right. Thank you. Okay, sounds

952
00:39:49,040 --> 00:39:51,400
good.

953
00:39:51,400 --> 00:39:56,150
Okay, Josh. Here you go.

954
00:39:56,160 --> 00:39:58,440
I don't think a presentation and awards

955
00:39:58,440 --> 00:40:00,200
agenda has ever got to letter I, so I

956
00:40:00,200 --> 00:40:01,960
think you made the right call

957
00:40:01,960 --> 00:40:04,480
abbreviating that somewhat. Thank you.

958
00:40:04,480 --> 00:40:07,152
So, bravo.

959
00:40:07,152 --> 00:40:27,710
>> [clears throat]

960
00:40:27,720 --> 00:40:30,078
» Okay.

961
00:40:30,078 --> 00:40:36,510
>> [snorts]

962
00:40:36,520 --> 00:40:38,400
» Sorry for the delay. There we go. Uh

963
00:40:38,400 --> 00:40:40,520
thank you, Mayor and Council.

964
00:40:40,520 --> 00:40:43,200
Um

965
00:40:43,200 --> 00:40:47,240
Uh I appreciate the opportunity to uh

966
00:40:47,240 --> 00:40:48,600
come here

967
00:40:48,600 --> 00:40:51,040
uh and report on 2025 for the Public

968
00:40:51,040 --> 00:40:52,348
Works Department.

969
00:40:52,348 --> 00:40:54,360
>> [clears throat and cough]

970
00:40:54,360 --> 00:40:57,680
>> Um but this is kind of similar to each

971
00:40:57,680 --> 00:41:00,560
year. Uh a lot of information that I'm

972
00:41:00,560 --> 00:41:02,280
sure a lot of people find

973
00:41:02,280 --> 00:41:03,720
riveting.

974
00:41:03,720 --> 00:41:05,880
Um I don't want to go too in-depth and

975
00:41:05,880 --> 00:41:08,840
bore people, but I I do like to include

976
00:41:08,840 --> 00:41:10,440
information that I think is helpful for

977
00:41:10,440 --> 00:41:12,200
people to understand uh what this

978
00:41:12,200 --> 00:41:14,600
department does, how it functions, and

979
00:41:14,600 --> 00:41:16,720
its responsibilities. Uh

980
00:41:16,720 --> 00:41:19,858
We're comprised of three main divisions.

981
00:41:19,858 --> 00:41:20,320
>> [clears throat]

982
00:41:20,320 --> 00:41:22,280
>> And the first division, as I mentioned

983
00:41:22,280 --> 00:41:24,960
earlier, of which Ryan Roberts is the

984
00:41:24,960 --> 00:41:27,680
manager for, is the Streets Division.

985
00:41:27,680 --> 00:41:31,240
Uh they oversee 130 mi of public roads.

986
00:41:31,240 --> 00:41:32,240
Uh

987
00:41:32,240 --> 00:41:34,320
as you see there, a dollar figure,

988
00:41:34,320 --> 00:41:37,120
simple value. When I say simple value,

989
00:41:37,120 --> 00:41:39,280
what what what it cost if we had to just

990
00:41:39,280 --> 00:41:42,320
repave every mile of public road in

991
00:41:42,320 --> 00:41:44,720
Kaysville. That's not redoing any of the

992
00:41:44,720 --> 00:41:47,760
manholes or valves or or any other

993
00:41:47,760 --> 00:41:50,600
associated works. It's just the asphalt.

994
00:41:50,600 --> 00:41:52,800
Uh it's roughly between 90 and 100

995
00:41:52,800 --> 00:41:55,640
million dollars that we estimate that

996
00:41:55,640 --> 00:41:57,080
value to be.

997
00:41:57,080 --> 00:42:00,040
Uh they oversee six traffic signals and

998
00:42:00,040 --> 00:42:03,480
one pedestrian hot signal on 200 North.

999
00:42:03,480 --> 00:42:04,280
Uh

1000
00:42:04,280 --> 00:42:06,120
Ryan, as we talked about snow plowing,

1001
00:42:06,120 --> 00:42:08,960
Ryan oversees operations by about 20

1002
00:42:08,960 --> 00:42:11,720
individuals operating snow plows.

1003
00:42:11,720 --> 00:42:12,400
Um

1004
00:42:12,400 --> 00:42:14,680
We also work closely with the PD on

1005
00:42:14,680 --> 00:42:17,720
traffic calming concerns and general

1006
00:42:17,720 --> 00:42:20,280
evaluations of the city's public streets

1007
00:42:20,280 --> 00:42:21,480
network.

1008
00:42:21,480 --> 00:42:23,640
Uh they oversee and maintain the

1009
00:42:23,640 --> 00:42:26,840
installation and repair of about 2,200

1010
00:42:26,840 --> 00:42:28,520
street signs.

1011
00:42:28,520 --> 00:42:30,120
Uh they perform curb and street

1012
00:42:30,120 --> 00:42:32,960
painting, some tree trimming,

1013
00:42:32,960 --> 00:42:33,960
uh

1014
00:42:33,960 --> 00:42:37,200
the pub- or the streets department also

1015
00:42:37,200 --> 00:42:38,280
is

1016
00:42:38,280 --> 00:42:39,880
public works

1017
00:42:39,880 --> 00:42:40,600
uh

1018
00:42:40,600 --> 00:42:41,840
liaison

1019
00:42:41,840 --> 00:42:45,400
for fleet management for 35 vehicles and

1020
00:42:45,400 --> 00:42:48,240
four pieces of large equipment.

1021
00:42:48,240 --> 00:42:49,520
Uh they also assist with new

1022
00:42:49,520 --> 00:42:51,960
subdivisions and city projects testing

1023
00:42:51,960 --> 00:42:54,160
the road base and subgrade.

1024
00:42:54,160 --> 00:42:56,440
Um they closely coordinate with

1025
00:42:56,440 --> 00:43:00,400
residents and other owners on curb and

1026
00:43:00,400 --> 00:43:02,840
sidewalk repair and replacement. Uh and

1027
00:43:02,840 --> 00:43:05,120
then they uh unfortunately bear the

1028
00:43:05,120 --> 00:43:07,120
brunt of a lot of just really random

1029
00:43:07,120 --> 00:43:11,190
things that pop up throughout the year.

1030
00:43:11,200 --> 00:43:12,640
Um

1031
00:43:12,640 --> 00:43:14,880
storm water is the next division. It's

1032
00:43:14,880 --> 00:43:17,880
about 150 miles of underground pipes,

1033
00:43:17,880 --> 00:43:20,120
storm and land drain.

1034
00:43:20,120 --> 00:43:22,360
Uh the simple value as I had explained

1035
00:43:22,360 --> 00:43:24,800
earlier with storm drain,

1036
00:43:24,800 --> 00:43:26,360
uh what doesn't really get into the nuts

1037
00:43:26,360 --> 00:43:29,400
and bolts, it's mostly just if we had to

1038
00:43:29,400 --> 00:43:33,000
replace each foot of pipe, uh it's about

1039
00:43:33,000 --> 00:43:36,400
100 and oh, sorry, bumped that. 175

1040
00:43:36,400 --> 00:43:38,560
million to about 180 million dollars

1041
00:43:38,560 --> 00:43:41,040
worth of pipe replacement if that all

1042
00:43:41,040 --> 00:43:42,880
took place at once.

1043
00:43:42,880 --> 00:43:45,560
Uh they oversee street sweeping.

1044
00:43:45,560 --> 00:43:47,640
They manage the city's what's called the

1045
00:43:47,640 --> 00:43:50,160
MS4 permit. That's in conjunction with

1046
00:43:50,160 --> 00:43:52,520
the state and the federal EPA.

1047
00:43:52,520 --> 00:43:53,360
Uh

1048
00:43:53,360 --> 00:43:56,040
but I'm sure council has received a

1049
00:43:56,040 --> 00:43:58,240
really fun email each year about being

1050
00:43:58,240 --> 00:43:59,880
trained on storm water requirements,

1051
00:43:59,880 --> 00:44:01,920
which everybody looks forward to each

1052
00:44:01,920 --> 00:44:02,920
year.

1053
00:44:02,920 --> 00:44:04,760
Uh also riveting.

1054
00:44:04,760 --> 00:44:07,680
Um we conduct uh dry weather screening.

1055
00:44:07,680 --> 00:44:10,360
It's a a type of sampling. Uh we work on

1056
00:44:10,360 --> 00:44:11,880
illicit discharge detection and

1057
00:44:11,880 --> 00:44:13,680
elimination with both state county

1058
00:44:13,680 --> 00:44:15,080
officials.

1059
00:44:15,080 --> 00:44:17,000
Uh oversee annual reporting for

1060
00:44:17,000 --> 00:44:19,280
compliance. Uh

1061
00:44:19,280 --> 00:44:21,560
the uh contractor and assistance and

1062
00:44:21,560 --> 00:44:23,520
education requirements that are part of

1063
00:44:23,520 --> 00:44:25,920
our permit uh is overseen by this

1064
00:44:25,920 --> 00:44:28,840
department. Uh they're managed by Logan

1065
00:44:28,840 --> 00:44:30,320
Barker.

1066
00:44:30,320 --> 00:44:33,560
Um and then we also deliver uh garbage

1067
00:44:33,560 --> 00:44:35,240
cans for the city.

1068
00:44:35,240 --> 00:44:36,760
Uh and we are a member of the Davis

1069
00:44:36,760 --> 00:44:39,240
County Storm Water Coalition.

1070
00:44:39,240 --> 00:44:41,320
Drinking Water Department is comprised

1071
00:44:41,320 --> 00:44:44,480
of uh uh little bit more, about 168

1072
00:44:44,480 --> 00:44:46,120
miles of underground drinking water

1073
00:44:46,120 --> 00:44:47,495
pipes.

1074
00:44:47,495 --> 00:44:48,360
>> [clears throat and cough]

1075
00:44:48,360 --> 00:44:51,320
>> And the network of those pipes uh has a

1076
00:44:51,320 --> 00:44:54,040
value of between 200 and 210 million

1077
00:44:54,040 --> 00:44:55,320
dollars.

1078
00:44:55,320 --> 00:44:57,440
Uh we have seven underground storage

1079
00:44:57,440 --> 00:44:59,600
tanks that equate to just under 8 and

1080
00:44:59,600 --> 00:45:02,520
1/2 million gallons. Uh in Kaysville on

1081
00:45:02,520 --> 00:45:03,840
a typical year, you'll see about a

1082
00:45:03,840 --> 00:45:05,960
billion gallons of drinking water

1083
00:45:05,960 --> 00:45:09,120
consumed uh by residents and businesses.

1084
00:45:09,120 --> 00:45:10,800
Uh that uh

1085
00:45:10,800 --> 00:45:13,680
those seven tanks provide uh

1086
00:45:13,680 --> 00:45:15,360
sometimes a little bit more than uh

1087
00:45:15,360 --> 00:45:16,680
sometimes a little bit less than three

1088
00:45:16,680 --> 00:45:20,760
days of storage. Uh which is not not a

1089
00:45:20,760 --> 00:45:23,000
lot, uh but we're currently being fed by

1090
00:45:23,000 --> 00:45:25,440
Weber Basin uh where we get all of our

1091
00:45:25,440 --> 00:45:27,080
water from.

1092
00:45:27,080 --> 00:45:30,840
Uh we have 3,600 valves, 1,700 hydrants.

1093
00:45:30,840 --> 00:45:34,120
Uh 9,500 service connections, so that's

1094
00:45:34,120 --> 00:45:36,840
individual meters. Uh and to support

1095
00:45:36,840 --> 00:45:39,600
those, we have 15 locations that collect

1096
00:45:39,600 --> 00:45:42,200
that data and transmit it remotely to

1097
00:45:42,200 --> 00:45:45,120
city hall in real time. We have six

1098
00:45:45,120 --> 00:45:47,880
stations where we monitor and inject

1099
00:45:47,880 --> 00:45:51,080
chlorine to meet state requirements. Uh

1100
00:45:51,080 --> 00:45:55,040
three large pump houses, 26 PRVs, 66 air

1101
00:45:55,040 --> 00:45:58,040
vacs, 600 backflow assemblies.

1102
00:45:58,040 --> 00:46:00,080
Uh and uh similar to storm water, we

1103
00:46:00,080 --> 00:46:02,680
have compliance uh responsibilities that

1104
00:46:02,680 --> 00:46:04,440
we oversee.

1105
00:46:04,440 --> 00:46:06,480
Um We also [clears throat] have

1106
00:46:06,480 --> 00:46:08,560
a smaller uh division, the engineering

1107
00:46:08,560 --> 00:46:09,371
division.

1108
00:46:09,371 --> 00:46:09,680
>> [snorts]

1109
00:46:09,680 --> 00:46:11,880
>> Uh they oversee plan review for uh

1110
00:46:11,880 --> 00:46:15,200
construction uh as well as inspection on

1111
00:46:15,200 --> 00:46:17,720
installation of new infrastructure.

1112
00:46:17,720 --> 00:46:20,600
Uh they design uh internally for the

1113
00:46:20,600 --> 00:46:23,600
city, both public works as well as

1114
00:46:23,600 --> 00:46:26,480
assisting with other departments on

1115
00:46:26,480 --> 00:46:28,640
smaller projects.

1116
00:46:28,640 --> 00:46:30,680
Uh but that that inter- departmental

1117
00:46:30,680 --> 00:46:32,920
coordination is is a big part of the

1118
00:46:32,920 --> 00:46:36,710
engineering division.

1119
00:46:36,720 --> 00:46:37,600
So, breaking [clears throat]

1120
00:46:37,600 --> 00:46:39,840
down how we do what we do in these

1121
00:46:39,840 --> 00:46:41,320
divisions,

1122
00:46:41,320 --> 00:46:44,360
um focusing mainly on the three uh

1123
00:46:44,360 --> 00:46:46,280
streets is comprised of four full-time

1124
00:46:46,280 --> 00:46:48,600
staff. Uh and the funding for that

1125
00:46:48,600 --> 00:46:51,480
division is comprised of the road

1126
00:46:51,480 --> 00:46:52,760
utility,

1127
00:46:52,760 --> 00:46:53,560
uh

1128
00:46:53,560 --> 00:46:55,800
which is kind of a blend of state gas

1129
00:46:55,800 --> 00:46:58,280
tax revenue, active transportation funds

1130
00:46:58,280 --> 00:46:59,640
from the county,

1131
00:46:59,640 --> 00:47:01,680
and the TUFF, or the transportation

1132
00:47:01,680 --> 00:47:03,560
utility fee, sometimes referred to as

1133
00:47:03,560 --> 00:47:05,160
the road fee.

1134
00:47:05,160 --> 00:47:08,920
Um we also utilize some property taxes

1135
00:47:08,920 --> 00:47:10,640
from the general fund.

1136
00:47:10,640 --> 00:47:14,120
Uh currently uh road utility funds

1137
00:47:14,120 --> 00:47:14,960
uh

1138
00:47:14,960 --> 00:47:16,600
mostly projects.

1139
00:47:16,600 --> 00:47:19,000
Um if there's physical work going on uh

1140
00:47:19,000 --> 00:47:23,800
that is related to or part of the public street network.

1141
00:47:23,800 --> 00:47:26,040
The general fund portion of public works

1142
00:47:26,040 --> 00:47:28,640
is for things like wages, benefits. Uh

1143
00:47:28,640 --> 00:47:32,080
we also currently purchase road salt and

1144
00:47:32,080 --> 00:47:34,600
the street signs, uh the the sidewalk

1145
00:47:34,600 --> 00:47:37,480
maintenance and repairs uh that we do,

1146
00:47:37,480 --> 00:47:38,880
and some of the engineering have been

1147
00:47:38,880 --> 00:47:41,760
coming from the general fund.

1148
00:47:41,760 --> 00:47:43,692
Um the current budget

1149
00:47:43,692 --> 00:47:44,640
>> [clears throat]

1150
00:47:44,640 --> 00:47:48,560
>> Excuse me, the FY26 budget uh for the

1151
00:47:48,560 --> 00:47:50,840
general fund portion of streets is

1152
00:47:50,840 --> 00:47:54,070
$1,390,000.

1153
00:47:54,080 --> 00:47:56,000
And the road utility portion of the

1154
00:47:56,000 --> 00:48:01,000
streets budget this year is $7,452,000.

1155
00:48:01,000 --> 00:48:01,560
Uh

1156
00:48:01,560 --> 00:48:04,040
where we're at currently expenditures

1157
00:48:04,040 --> 00:48:06,600
for the general fund portion are

1158
00:48:06,600 --> 00:48:08,760
$854,000,

1159
00:48:08,760 --> 00:48:11,280
which is about 62%

1160
00:48:11,280 --> 00:48:13,400
of uh

1161
00:48:13,400 --> 00:48:15,920
of that budget amount. We're 85% of the

1162
00:48:15,920 --> 00:48:17,880
way through the fiscal year.

1163
00:48:17,880 --> 00:48:20,560
Uh and and obviously road salt

1164
00:48:20,560 --> 00:48:21,440
uh

1165
00:48:21,440 --> 00:48:23,400
plays into that heavily as to why we're

1166
00:48:23,400 --> 00:48:26,800
so far below budget. Um

1167
00:48:26,800 --> 00:48:28,680
the

1168
00:48:28,680 --> 00:48:32,840
uh road utility portion is $6.4 million

1169
00:48:32,840 --> 00:48:35,040
in terms of current expenditures.

1170
00:48:35,040 --> 00:48:39,400
And that's right on track, 85% and 85%.

1171
00:48:39,400 --> 00:48:41,760
Um we are a little bit farther along

1172
00:48:41,760 --> 00:48:44,040
with the 200 North project than we

1173
00:48:44,040 --> 00:48:46,160
anticipated just because of the mild

1174
00:48:46,160 --> 00:48:48,280
winter. They were able to get more work

1175
00:48:48,280 --> 00:48:51,080
done, so that translates into us having

1176
00:48:51,080 --> 00:48:54,200
to budget less money in this upcoming

1177
00:48:54,200 --> 00:48:57,760
fiscal year to finish that project.

1178
00:48:57,760 --> 00:48:59,640
Uh the stormwater division is comprised

1179
00:48:59,640 --> 00:49:02,240
of five full-time staff. Its funding is

1180
00:49:02,240 --> 00:49:04,480
the stormwater utility fund or the

1181
00:49:04,480 --> 00:49:06,600
stormwater utility fee.

1182
00:49:06,600 --> 00:49:09,720
The FY26 budget for stormwater is $1.8

1183
00:49:09,720 --> 00:49:12,240
million. Uh current expenditure is at

1184
00:49:12,240 --> 00:49:15,360
$1.3 million, which is 75% of budget

1185
00:49:15,360 --> 00:49:17,880
expended as we are 85% through the

1186
00:49:17,880 --> 00:49:19,979
fiscal year.

1187
00:49:19,979 --> 00:49:20,760
>> [clears throat]

1188
00:49:20,760 --> 00:49:22,720
>> Uh water is comprised of nine full-time

1189
00:49:22,720 --> 00:49:23,960
staff

1190
00:49:23,960 --> 00:49:25,560
uh and funding

1191
00:49:25,560 --> 00:49:28,440
uh is the water enterprise fund or

1192
00:49:28,440 --> 00:49:30,400
revenue from the sales of water to

1193
00:49:30,400 --> 00:49:32,360
residents and businesses.

1194
00:49:32,360 --> 00:49:35,800
FY26 budget for the water fund is $6.6

1195
00:49:35,800 --> 00:49:38,520
million. Current expenditure is at $5.3

1196
00:49:38,520 --> 00:49:41,960
million, which is about 80% of budget,

1197
00:49:41,960 --> 00:49:46,400
85% of the way through the fiscal year.

1198
00:49:46,400 --> 00:49:48,160
Uh engineering

1199
00:49:48,160 --> 00:49:48,800
uh

1200
00:49:48,800 --> 00:49:51,960
is supported by those three funds or

1201
00:49:51,960 --> 00:49:53,720
those three divisions, the funds from

1202
00:49:53,720 --> 00:49:54,640
them

1203
00:49:54,640 --> 00:49:55,960
but it's

1204
00:49:55,960 --> 00:49:57,800
comprised of two full-time staff and

1205
00:49:57,800 --> 00:50:01,040
then in addition we have our office

1206
00:50:01,040 --> 00:50:03,560
admin Amanda we have an assistant

1207
00:50:03,560 --> 00:50:05,760
director and then myself.

1208
00:50:05,760 --> 00:50:07,200
Um

1209
00:50:07,200 --> 00:50:10,440
to round out how we do things in

1210
00:50:10,440 --> 00:50:11,920
addition to what's already been touched

1211
00:50:11,920 --> 00:50:13,840
on um

1212
00:50:13,840 --> 00:50:16,800
building on the slide from last year

1213
00:50:16,800 --> 00:50:19,520
since 2015

1214
00:50:19,520 --> 00:50:22,840
we've had $27.6 million worth of grants

1215
00:50:22,840 --> 00:50:25,040
that Kaysville City has been awarded and

1216
00:50:25,040 --> 00:50:27,720
utilized in construction projects.

1217
00:50:27,720 --> 00:50:29,480
Since last year we received an

1218
00:50:29,480 --> 00:50:31,680
additional $5 million

1219
00:50:31,680 --> 00:50:34,480
from Davis County. And those Davis

1220
00:50:34,480 --> 00:50:36,600
County funds have been

1221
00:50:36,600 --> 00:50:39,120
probably some of the most transformative

1222
00:50:39,120 --> 00:50:42,400
that we are able to get them

1223
00:50:42,400 --> 00:50:44,200
relatively quickly. A lot of the other

1224
00:50:44,200 --> 00:50:46,520
funds that we've received have some

1225
00:50:46,520 --> 00:50:48,520
limitations like it's going to be 5

1226
00:50:48,520 --> 00:50:51,160
years before you can access these funds.

1227
00:50:51,160 --> 00:50:53,320
Or they might come with some federal

1228
00:50:53,320 --> 00:50:56,200
requirements that don't

1229
00:50:56,200 --> 00:50:57,040
it [clears throat] makes it so that the

1230
00:50:57,040 --> 00:50:59,760
dollar doesn't stretch quite as far. So

1231
00:50:59,760 --> 00:51:01,920
these county funds have been huge

1232
00:51:01,920 --> 00:51:04,240
and and as I started working on these

1233
00:51:04,240 --> 00:51:07,440
slides about 2 weeks ago um

1234
00:51:07,440 --> 00:51:09,680
I just wanted to

1235
00:51:09,680 --> 00:51:12,640
provide thanks to Mayor Tran because

1236
00:51:12,640 --> 00:51:15,480
while we do work to put together an

1237
00:51:15,480 --> 00:51:17,560
application and all the necessary

1238
00:51:17,560 --> 00:51:20,280
information for the county officials

1239
00:51:20,280 --> 00:51:23,080
on these Davis County grant applications

1240
00:51:23,080 --> 00:51:25,960
each time that we've submitted we we

1241
00:51:25,960 --> 00:51:28,200
have been fortunate to have the mayor

1242
00:51:28,200 --> 00:51:30,160
working behind the scenes and and that's

1243
00:51:30,160 --> 00:51:32,320
not to say that it's not above board but

1244
00:51:32,320 --> 00:51:34,480
connecting with their staff

1245
00:51:34,480 --> 00:51:36,720
helping explain not just the Kaysville

1246
00:51:36,720 --> 00:51:38,360
importance but the regional importance

1247
00:51:38,360 --> 00:51:39,920
of our projects

1248
00:51:39,920 --> 00:51:44,480
and then the the mayor is also helping

1249
00:51:44,480 --> 00:51:47,120
other voting members of that group

1250
00:51:47,120 --> 00:51:48,880
understand the importance as well. So,

1251
00:51:48,880 --> 00:51:51,160
that 12.2 million

1252
00:51:51,160 --> 00:51:53,080
that we've received since this program

1253
00:51:53,080 --> 00:51:56,360
started with Davis County is a credit to

1254
00:51:56,360 --> 00:51:59,320
Mayor Tran. We appreciate that deeply.

1255
00:51:59,320 --> 00:52:03,160
Um Thank you. We have No, thank you. Uh

1256
00:52:03,160 --> 00:52:05,320
we've we've applied for an additional

1257
00:52:05,320 --> 00:52:09,000
14.9 million dollars in grants that we

1258
00:52:09,000 --> 00:52:12,000
haven't been successful with since 2015.

1259
00:52:12,000 --> 00:52:14,200
Um and continue to pursue grant

1260
00:52:14,200 --> 00:52:16,840
opportunities.

1261
00:52:16,840 --> 00:52:18,800
Um efficiencies.

1262
00:52:18,800 --> 00:52:23,360
Uh last week I kind of changed up my slides.

1263
00:52:23,360 --> 00:52:26,640
Um I I think one of the

1264
00:52:26,640 --> 00:52:28,640
things that we struggle with

1265
00:52:28,640 --> 00:52:30,960
as staff is

1266
00:52:30,960 --> 00:52:34,560
communicating effectively and and and

1267
00:52:34,560 --> 00:52:36,840
helping uh the as

1268
00:52:36,840 --> 00:52:38,680
uh talking with Val Starkey over the

1269
00:52:38,680 --> 00:52:40,640
last year uh

1270
00:52:40,640 --> 00:52:42,840
helping to tell the story. And I I don't

1271
00:52:42,840 --> 00:52:45,200
say story to make it sound like

1272
00:52:45,200 --> 00:52:47,280
uh it's it's anything other than just

1273
00:52:47,280 --> 00:52:49,080
good information. That's what it is.

1274
00:52:49,080 --> 00:52:51,320
Helping people know and understand. So,

1275
00:52:51,320 --> 00:52:52,880
I wanted to touch on some of the things

1276
00:52:52,880 --> 00:52:54,800
where we've tried to

1277
00:52:54,800 --> 00:52:56,960
either think outside the box or look for

1278
00:52:56,960 --> 00:52:58,400
opportunities. Can we do things

1279
00:52:58,400 --> 00:53:00,600
differently? Can we do things better

1280
00:53:00,600 --> 00:53:02,800
uh to to

1281
00:53:02,800 --> 00:53:07,880
stretch the dollar a little bit farther. Uh some of these are

1282
00:53:07,880 --> 00:53:09,880
to times where we have spent money to

1283
00:53:09,880 --> 00:53:12,680
try and benefit uh in the long run and

1284
00:53:12,680 --> 00:53:14,160
I'll point some of these things out. I

1285
00:53:14,160 --> 00:53:15,600
think the first that I'd like to touch

1286
00:53:15,600 --> 00:53:17,480
on is water meters.

1287
00:53:17,480 --> 00:53:21,240
Uh in 2018 we started looking at

1288
00:53:21,240 --> 00:53:23,600
wanting to get

1289
00:53:23,600 --> 00:53:26,200
modern AMI capable

1290
00:53:26,200 --> 00:53:28,720
uh digital meters installed at each of

1291
00:53:28,720 --> 00:53:31,600
the 9,500 connections in Kaysville.

1292
00:53:31,600 --> 00:53:34,040
Uh that was about a 1 and 1/2 to 2-year

1293
00:53:34,040 --> 00:53:37,160
project uh and at the time was just uh

1294
00:53:37,160 --> 00:53:39,680
over 2 million, I believe, uh to do

1295
00:53:39,680 --> 00:53:41,160
that. But

1296
00:53:41,160 --> 00:53:43,480
uh what previously took

1297
00:53:43,480 --> 00:53:45,680
two, at least two weeks, we'd shut the

1298
00:53:45,680 --> 00:53:47,320
entire Public Works Department down for

1299
00:53:47,320 --> 00:53:48,800
about two weeks,

1300
00:53:48,800 --> 00:53:50,440
whether your streets, water, storm

1301
00:53:50,440 --> 00:53:52,600
water, and we would go out and we would

1302
00:53:52,600 --> 00:53:54,920
read water meters, pull the lid, look at

1303
00:53:54,920 --> 00:53:56,720
the number on the dial, write it down on

1304
00:53:56,720 --> 00:53:59,040
a piece of paper, close the lid, go to

1305
00:53:59,040 --> 00:54:00,440
the next one, and then you'd bring those

1306
00:54:00,440 --> 00:54:02,560
papers into City Hall, and they would

1307
00:54:02,560 --> 00:54:04,880
manually type those readings in so that

1308
00:54:04,880 --> 00:54:06,800
they could send people their bills.

1309
00:54:06,800 --> 00:54:09,080
That got difficult in the winter,

1310
00:54:09,080 --> 00:54:11,960
uh not only plowing, but trying to

1311
00:54:11,960 --> 00:54:12,680
uh

1312
00:54:12,680 --> 00:54:14,600
shovel out water meters so that we could

1313
00:54:14,600 --> 00:54:16,160
look at those. So,

1314
00:54:16,160 --> 00:54:19,440
uh this was a huge project. Uh we

1315
00:54:19,440 --> 00:54:21,160
uh worked with the state of Utah at the

1316
00:54:21,160 --> 00:54:24,800
time on an efficiency metric, uh and and

1317
00:54:24,800 --> 00:54:27,040
the overall gain in efficiency from this

1318
00:54:27,040 --> 00:54:31,720
$2 million project was a 6,000% increase

1319
00:54:31,720 --> 00:54:35,120
in the efficiency uh of uh

1320
00:54:35,120 --> 00:54:36,960
of the city, both Public Works as well

1321
00:54:36,960 --> 00:54:38,800
as utility billing.

1322
00:54:38,800 --> 00:54:39,880
So,

1323
00:54:39,880 --> 00:54:40,840
um

1324
00:54:40,840 --> 00:54:42,960
yeah, the in addition to that, the data

1325
00:54:42,960 --> 00:54:45,600
that we have is is way more accurate,

1326
00:54:45,600 --> 00:54:48,080
and it's real time. We can go out to a

1327
00:54:48,080 --> 00:54:50,600
resident's home and show them in real

1328
00:54:50,600 --> 00:54:52,360
time what they're using. Do you have a

1329
00:54:52,360 --> 00:54:54,680
leak? We can help you identify that. I I

1330
00:54:54,680 --> 00:54:56,400
utilized that at my home last year to

1331
00:54:56,400 --> 00:54:57,960
identify a leak

1332
00:54:57,960 --> 00:55:00,880
that was occurring in real time.

1333
00:55:00,880 --> 00:55:04,040
Um snow plowing, as I mentioned, uh some

1334
00:55:04,040 --> 00:55:06,120
of the things that Ryan has worked on,

1335
00:55:06,120 --> 00:55:08,160
uh as in addition to everybody in the

1336
00:55:08,160 --> 00:55:10,920
department, uh taking it from a 14-hour

1337
00:55:10,920 --> 00:55:14,080
operation down to nine, uh

1338
00:55:14,080 --> 00:55:15,800
utilizing

1339
00:55:15,800 --> 00:55:18,160
um smaller vehicles. We we've taken

1340
00:55:18,160 --> 00:55:20,720
about three or four of the snow plows

1341
00:55:20,720 --> 00:55:23,200
and replaced them with smaller trucks

1342
00:55:23,200 --> 00:55:25,960
that are a little bit more maneuverable

1343
00:55:25,960 --> 00:55:28,440
and easier to get into tight spaces,

1344
00:55:28,440 --> 00:55:32,080
cul-de-sacs, windy roads. Uh the the the

1345
00:55:32,080 --> 00:55:37,480
efficiency from a time standpoint is also added to by the fact that

1346
00:55:37,480 --> 00:55:40,280
instead of a $300,000 snow plow, we're

1347
00:55:40,280 --> 00:55:43,360
looking at just under $100,000 for a

1348
00:55:43,360 --> 00:55:46,520
smaller snow plow. Wow. Um and then uh

1349
00:55:46,520 --> 00:55:47,880
Ryan,

1350
00:55:47,880 --> 00:55:49,480
uh we didn't have an opportunity to use

1351
00:55:49,480 --> 00:55:51,880
it this year, uh but was able to work

1352
00:55:51,880 --> 00:55:53,920
with a vendor to get the city's first

1353
00:55:53,920 --> 00:55:56,160
wing plow. It's a you you've probably

1354
00:55:56,160 --> 00:55:58,280
seen them on U dot trucks. It's a plow

1355
00:55:58,280 --> 00:56:00,240
that comes off the side of the truck.

1356
00:56:00,240 --> 00:56:02,800
So, you're able to make 1.7 passes with

1357
00:56:02,800 --> 00:56:04,200
each pass.

1358
00:56:04,200 --> 00:56:05,840
Um

1359
00:56:05,840 --> 00:56:08,000
the city engineer uh So, when Andy

1360
00:56:08,000 --> 00:56:11,880
Thompson retired between 2018 and 2021,

1361
00:56:11,880 --> 00:56:14,640
uh we went without a city engineer.

1362
00:56:14,640 --> 00:56:17,840
Uh and since that time, as as Dexter

1363
00:56:17,840 --> 00:56:19,720
came on with the support of council in

1364
00:56:19,720 --> 00:56:22,800
creating that position, um

1365
00:56:22,800 --> 00:56:23,640
uh

1366
00:56:23,640 --> 00:56:25,680
some of the relatively small

1367
00:56:25,680 --> 00:56:28,040
opportunities, uh designing projects

1368
00:56:28,040 --> 00:56:30,400
in-house, you know, the small waterline

1369
00:56:30,400 --> 00:56:33,520
project as we get bids on those to just

1370
00:56:33,520 --> 00:56:35,680
design where can the work in the

1371
00:56:35,680 --> 00:56:37,560
waterlines go, getting a set of

1372
00:56:37,560 --> 00:56:40,360
construction plans ready. Uh about

1373
00:56:40,360 --> 00:56:42,000
$30,000

1374
00:56:42,000 --> 00:56:44,320
depending on the company. Uh Dexter just

1375
00:56:44,320 --> 00:56:45,600
completed

1376
00:56:45,600 --> 00:56:48,960
uh another in-house set of plans that

1377
00:56:48,960 --> 00:56:52,240
started a week ago Monday. Uh started

1378
00:56:52,240 --> 00:56:53,880
construction on

1379
00:56:53,880 --> 00:56:55,800
uh Kings and Bishops.

1380
00:56:55,800 --> 00:56:57,120
Um

1381
00:56:57,120 --> 00:56:59,520
uh we have an engineering technician in

1382
00:56:59,520 --> 00:57:02,160
the city who uh we moved around some of

1383
00:57:02,160 --> 00:57:05,080
his responsibilities. Uh Jordan Hansen,

1384
00:57:05,080 --> 00:57:07,200
the GIS administrator,

1385
00:57:07,200 --> 00:57:09,600
provides support in mapping to all of

1386
00:57:09,600 --> 00:57:11,920
the departments uh and

1387
00:57:11,920 --> 00:57:13,960
Jordan is one individual that there's

1388
00:57:13,960 --> 00:57:16,560
just not enough hours in the day.

1389
00:57:16,560 --> 00:57:19,080
And uh this engineering technician that

1390
00:57:19,080 --> 00:57:21,600
we have, incredibly sharp, incredibly

1391
00:57:21,600 --> 00:57:23,480
capable, um

1392
00:57:23,480 --> 00:57:24,880
ended up talking with Jordan that you

1393
00:57:24,880 --> 00:57:26,440
know, if we can shift his

1394
00:57:26,440 --> 00:57:28,920
responsibilities around,

1395
00:57:28,920 --> 00:57:30,640
this is an individual that can support

1396
00:57:30,640 --> 00:57:33,960
Jordan and avoid trying to uh request

1397
00:57:33,960 --> 00:57:36,360
additional staff to come in and take

1398
00:57:36,360 --> 00:57:38,160
care of GIS.

1399
00:57:38,160 --> 00:57:40,120
Uh staffing changes, moving

1400
00:57:40,120 --> 00:57:44,040
responsibilities and roles around um

1401
00:57:44,040 --> 00:57:46,800
as well as uh

1402
00:57:46,800 --> 00:57:48,760
I don't know if I touch on this later.

1403
00:57:48,760 --> 00:57:51,720
We've we've had the unfortunate

1404
00:57:51,720 --> 00:57:54,720
circumstance on three occasions to have

1405
00:57:54,720 --> 00:57:55,760
to

1406
00:57:55,760 --> 00:57:58,080
uh let staff go

1407
00:57:58,080 --> 00:58:00,640
when when we're looking at situations

1408
00:58:00,640 --> 00:58:03,200
where the the performance is not

1409
00:58:03,200 --> 00:58:05,880
sufficient to the needs and to the job

1410
00:58:05,880 --> 00:58:07,240
description.

1411
00:58:07,240 --> 00:58:08,920
Uh and and we don't take those things

1412
00:58:08,920 --> 00:58:10,320
lightly, but

1413
00:58:10,320 --> 00:58:12,720
uh we also have to weigh the needs of of

1414
00:58:12,720 --> 00:58:15,000
the organization and the community as we

1415
00:58:15,000 --> 00:58:16,560
do those things.

1416
00:58:16,560 --> 00:58:18,800
Uh we we purchased a small enclosed

1417
00:58:18,800 --> 00:58:21,240
trailer a number of years ago

1418
00:58:21,240 --> 00:58:22,720
and

1419
00:58:22,720 --> 00:58:24,920
coming in over the weekend with their

1420
00:58:24,920 --> 00:58:27,800
personal time, water crews set that up

1421
00:58:27,800 --> 00:58:30,440
with new shelving

1422
00:58:30,440 --> 00:58:34,000
and and storage bins and bays. Uh that's

1423
00:58:34,000 --> 00:58:36,440
become the leak trailer. That that's cut

1424
00:58:36,440 --> 00:58:39,280
down the average time for a water leak

1425
00:58:39,280 --> 00:58:41,760
from 7 hours down to about four maybe

1426
00:58:41,760 --> 00:58:43,120
five.

1427
00:58:43,120 --> 00:58:45,520
Uh construction inspections, taking one

1428
00:58:45,520 --> 00:58:48,080
of the maintenance workers and shifting

1429
00:58:48,080 --> 00:58:50,080
some of his responsibilities around and

1430
00:58:50,080 --> 00:58:52,360
having him also assist with construction

1431
00:58:52,360 --> 00:58:54,080
inspection so that we're we're trying to

1432
00:58:54,080 --> 00:58:55,800
catch more and make sure that

1433
00:58:55,800 --> 00:58:58,040
infrastructure that is going in

1434
00:58:58,040 --> 00:59:01,440
uh is robust.

1435
00:59:01,440 --> 00:59:02,760
Uh

1436
00:59:02,760 --> 00:59:05,720
revamping digitizing standards.

1437
00:59:05,720 --> 00:59:08,080
If if you'd like some information on

1438
00:59:08,080 --> 00:59:10,360
this, it's way too in-depth for this

1439
00:59:10,360 --> 00:59:12,080
meeting, but uh

1440
00:59:12,080 --> 00:59:14,520
the asphalt and concrete debris that we

1441
00:59:14,520 --> 00:59:16,840
store down at the public works yard and

1442
00:59:16,840 --> 00:59:19,320
crush that about every 3 years

1443
00:59:19,320 --> 00:59:22,440
uh I think is is one of the like

1444
00:59:22,440 --> 00:59:24,480
most valuable and beneficial things that

1445
00:59:24,480 --> 00:59:25,840
this department has started doing. It

1446
00:59:25,840 --> 00:59:28,160
started before I

1447
00:59:28,160 --> 00:59:30,160
started with the city, but it it saves

1448
00:59:30,160 --> 00:59:32,000
so much time and money.

1449
00:59:32,000 --> 00:59:33,600
Um

1450
00:59:33,600 --> 00:59:36,720
installing cameras throughout the city,

1451
00:59:36,720 --> 00:59:38,800
it's not just a good thing for security,

1452
00:59:38,800 --> 00:59:42,080
but it assists quite a bit with snow

1453
00:59:42,080 --> 00:59:44,120
plowing, monitoring road conditions,

1454
00:59:44,120 --> 00:59:46,360
trying to get out faster, and keep those

1455
00:59:46,360 --> 00:59:48,800
open for emergency responders.

1456
00:59:48,800 --> 00:59:51,440
Sampling stations, installing those, we

1457
00:59:51,440 --> 00:59:53,240
used to have to pull out people's water

1458
00:59:53,240 --> 00:59:55,280
meters and get underground to take water

1459
00:59:55,280 --> 00:59:57,400
samples. We replaced those with above

1460
00:59:57,400 --> 00:59:59,080
ground stations.

1461
00:59:59,080 --> 01:00:01,360
Um and

1462
01:00:01,360 --> 01:00:03,520
Luckily so as our number of samples has

1463
01:00:03,520 --> 01:00:05,400
grown.

1464
01:00:05,400 --> 01:00:08,360
We're now at over 40 a month required by

1465
01:00:08,360 --> 01:00:09,920
the state.

1466
01:00:09,920 --> 01:00:13,600
Watering some parks with drinking water.

1467
01:00:13,600 --> 01:00:15,600
We're in a drought this year and and and

1468
01:00:15,600 --> 01:00:17,320
we will be talking about this a little

1469
01:00:17,320 --> 01:00:20,360
bit later. Um

1470
01:00:20,360 --> 01:00:22,600
As unfortunate as it is, we still have

1471
01:00:22,600 --> 01:00:25,720
to flush water from our drinking system

1472
01:00:25,720 --> 01:00:27,760
to keep water fresh, to keep chlorine

1473
01:00:27,760 --> 01:00:30,200
residuals where they need to be.

1474
01:00:30,200 --> 01:00:32,720
Um and and we try to minimize that as

1475
01:00:32,720 --> 01:00:34,400
much as possible.

1476
01:00:34,400 --> 01:00:36,280
What we've done is we've worked with the

1477
01:00:36,280 --> 01:00:38,280
parks department and we've I think we've

1478
01:00:38,280 --> 01:00:41,240
converted three public parks to utilize

1479
01:00:41,240 --> 01:00:43,400
drinking water and they're all in areas

1480
01:00:43,400 --> 01:00:45,720
where we previously had circulation

1481
01:00:45,720 --> 01:00:46,920
issues.

1482
01:00:46,920 --> 01:00:48,640
So they're now using drinking water,

1483
01:00:48,640 --> 01:00:51,880
they have better pressure, more reliable

1484
01:00:51,880 --> 01:00:55,160
supply. Um and in addition on the public

1485
01:00:55,160 --> 01:00:57,880
works side, we don't have to pay a staff

1486
01:00:57,880 --> 01:00:59,920
member to go out and flow hydrant and

1487
01:00:59,920 --> 01:01:02,080
sit there and baby sit that hydrant. So

1488
01:01:02,080 --> 01:01:04,680
there's some efficiencies there. We used

1489
01:01:04,680 --> 01:01:07,680
to do in-house CDL training until CDL

1490
01:01:07,680 --> 01:01:09,600
requirements were changed. We had

1491
01:01:09,600 --> 01:01:12,000
somebody in-house that could could train

1492
01:01:12,000 --> 01:01:13,200
new staff as they were trying to get

1493
01:01:13,200 --> 01:01:14,280
their

1494
01:01:14,280 --> 01:01:17,280
licenses. Lost that opportunity though.

1495
01:01:17,280 --> 01:01:19,960
Um Ryan and and his folks started doing

1496
01:01:19,960 --> 01:01:22,840
in-house road striping. Smaller projects

1497
01:01:22,840 --> 01:01:24,680
like crosswalks.

1498
01:01:24,680 --> 01:01:26,360
Um they they built their own

1499
01:01:26,360 --> 01:01:28,480
uh set of templates and

1500
01:01:28,480 --> 01:01:30,200
uh have been doing that for about a year

1501
01:01:30,200 --> 01:01:31,560
or two now.

1502
01:01:31,560 --> 01:01:33,200
Uh and then purchasing some of our own

1503
01:01:33,200 --> 01:01:36,040
supplies. Like th- this this isn't a

1504
01:01:36,040 --> 01:01:38,520
like huge item, but there there are

1505
01:01:38,520 --> 01:01:41,520
little things like the the operations

1506
01:01:41,520 --> 01:01:42,560
center.

1507
01:01:42,560 --> 01:01:43,200
Uh

1508
01:01:43,200 --> 01:01:45,200
most of the time if we're using a

1509
01:01:45,200 --> 01:01:46,680
conference room, we'll we'll come up

1510
01:01:46,680 --> 01:01:48,120
here to City Hall, but there's times

1511
01:01:48,120 --> 01:01:51,000
where it's more convenient uh to meet

1512
01:01:51,000 --> 01:01:54,680
down uh say at the operations center. Um

1513
01:01:54,680 --> 01:01:57,040
so uh we went and purchased with our own

1514
01:01:57,040 --> 01:01:58,480
funds

1515
01:01:58,480 --> 01:02:00,360
uh the the staff down there but a

1516
01:02:00,360 --> 01:02:02,840
television so that we could bring staff

1517
01:02:02,840 --> 01:02:05,320
in around, pull up maps, uh and and

1518
01:02:05,320 --> 01:02:07,240
monitor some of the software that we

1519
01:02:07,240 --> 01:02:08,920
utilize down there.

1520
01:02:08,920 --> 01:02:10,720
Uh

1521
01:02:10,720 --> 01:02:13,320
feeding some of the folks down there uh

1522
01:02:13,320 --> 01:02:15,320
utilizing some of our own funds to do

1523
01:02:15,320 --> 01:02:16,960
that. We're we're we're trying to be

1524
01:02:16,960 --> 01:02:21,640
mindful uh not not only as staff, but realizing

1525
01:02:21,640 --> 01:02:22,560
that

1526
01:02:22,560 --> 01:02:24,280
um

1527
01:02:24,280 --> 01:02:25,560
we're supported by the residents of

1528
01:02:25,560 --> 01:02:27,320
Kaysville and and we want to support

1529
01:02:27,320 --> 01:02:28,760
them.

1530
01:02:28,760 --> 01:02:31,520
Uh and then in terms of challenges, uh

1531
01:02:31,520 --> 01:02:33,680
th- this has probably been the the most

1532
01:02:33,680 --> 01:02:37,440
difficult uh period in this regard uh

1533
01:02:37,440 --> 01:02:39,160
since December.

1534
01:02:39,160 --> 01:02:42,320
Uh we've lost four individuals from from

1535
01:02:42,320 --> 01:02:45,440
the public works department. Um

1536
01:02:45,440 --> 01:02:46,080
uh

1537
01:02:46,080 --> 01:02:48,640
one of those was was from a performance

1538
01:02:48,640 --> 01:02:51,440
standpoint. Um but the others in terms

1539
01:02:51,440 --> 01:02:52,320
of

1540
01:02:52,320 --> 01:02:54,080
uh opportunities elsewhere that were

1541
01:02:54,080 --> 01:02:55,840
pursued by individuals, and we we

1542
01:02:55,840 --> 01:02:57,560
certainly wish them the best. Uh but

1543
01:02:57,560 --> 01:03:00,680
just losing that institutional knowledge

1544
01:03:00,680 --> 01:03:04,120
uh it is is difficult. We're we're still

1545
01:03:04,120 --> 01:03:06,240
finding ourselves contacting two of

1546
01:03:06,240 --> 01:03:07,920
those individuals, you know, how does

1547
01:03:07,920 --> 01:03:09,680
this operate? Remind us what the

1548
01:03:09,680 --> 01:03:12,880
situation was with this property owner.

1549
01:03:12,880 --> 01:03:15,600
Um so we've been able to replace three

1550
01:03:15,600 --> 01:03:17,640
of those positions.

1551
01:03:17,640 --> 01:03:20,560
Uh we replaced the fourth, um the water

1552
01:03:20,560 --> 01:03:22,360
quality individual in charge of all the

1553
01:03:22,360 --> 01:03:24,800
sampling for the city uh and water

1554
01:03:24,800 --> 01:03:26,880
quality compliance.

1555
01:03:26,880 --> 01:03:29,920
Uh and the replacement lasted a week and

1556
01:03:29,920 --> 01:03:32,000
contacted us and he just said, "I I

1557
01:03:32,000 --> 01:03:34,760
can't do this. This is This is way more

1558
01:03:34,760 --> 01:03:36,480
than I thought it was going to be." And

1559
01:03:36,480 --> 01:03:39,320
he just said it that it felt

1560
01:03:39,320 --> 01:03:41,440
like it was too much.

1561
01:03:41,440 --> 01:03:44,920
Uh we we advertised again, uh found what

1562
01:03:44,920 --> 01:03:46,400
we thought was a really good candidate,

1563
01:03:46,400 --> 01:03:48,760
offered the job, and they elected not to

1564
01:03:48,760 --> 01:03:51,000
take it. So, uh right now the drinking

1565
01:03:51,000 --> 01:03:54,440
water department uh and and myself and

1566
01:03:54,440 --> 01:03:57,520
Cody are just working closely with them

1567
01:03:57,520 --> 01:04:01,320
to try and fill that gap uh with samples

1568
01:04:01,320 --> 01:04:03,400
and compliance. So,

1569
01:04:03,400 --> 01:04:05,960
um aging infrastructure continues to be

1570
01:04:05,960 --> 01:04:08,880
a challenge. Uh we are grateful for the

1571
01:04:08,880 --> 01:04:11,840
support from council uh in doing two

1572
01:04:11,840 --> 01:04:15,160
projects currently, 200 North uh it is a

1573
01:04:15,160 --> 01:04:17,080
great example of getting in front of

1574
01:04:17,080 --> 01:04:20,440
problems on a project, replacing pipes

1575
01:04:20,440 --> 01:04:23,360
before we anticipate uh a significant

1576
01:04:23,360 --> 01:04:25,040
problem. And then

1577
01:04:25,040 --> 01:04:25,880
um

1578
01:04:25,880 --> 01:04:29,960
Kings and Bishops uh is one where

1579
01:04:29,960 --> 01:04:32,760
uh within the last three or so years

1580
01:04:32,760 --> 01:04:35,280
out of nowhere it becomes a significant

1581
01:04:35,280 --> 01:04:37,520
issue with water leaks. So,

1582
01:04:37,520 --> 01:04:40,200
uh and then uh inflation I I I think

1583
01:04:40,200 --> 01:04:41,800
we're finally

1584
01:04:41,800 --> 01:04:42,840
uh

1585
01:04:42,840 --> 01:04:46,200
as Parker illustrated on on the curve uh

1586
01:04:46,200 --> 01:04:48,520
on Tuesday, uh

1587
01:04:48,520 --> 01:04:51,080
since about '23 you've started to see uh

1588
01:04:51,080 --> 01:04:53,120
inflation come back down and normalize

1589
01:04:53,120 --> 01:04:56,000
again. Uh but there there are random

1590
01:04:56,000 --> 01:04:59,160
items that just maintain like oddly high

1591
01:04:59,160 --> 01:05:00,520
prices

1592
01:05:00,520 --> 01:05:02,640
uh that that just don't seem to to make

1593
01:05:02,640 --> 01:05:04,320
a ton of sense and it seems like, man,

1594
01:05:04,320 --> 01:05:07,000
something's got to give. Something has

1595
01:05:07,000 --> 01:05:11,840
to normalize again. So, uh with that, is a ton of information and that's

1596
01:05:11,840 --> 01:05:13,280
way more time than I told Anne Marie it

1597
01:05:13,280 --> 01:05:15,720
was going to take. So, uh with that

1598
01:05:15,720 --> 01:05:18,680
council, any questions?

1599
01:05:18,680 --> 01:05:20,680
I have one question. Yes, please.

1600
01:05:20,680 --> 01:05:22,600
>> You talked about turnover. So, we've

1601
01:05:22,600 --> 01:05:24,720
lost four people. What is our challenge

1602
01:05:24,720 --> 01:05:26,200
in hiring

1603
01:05:26,200 --> 01:05:27,800
additional people? Is there just a

1604
01:05:27,800 --> 01:05:30,800
shortage of people in that specialty? I

1605
01:05:30,800 --> 01:05:32,360
think that's definitely part of it. It's

1606
01:05:32,360 --> 01:05:35,960
a very like specialized position

1607
01:05:35,960 --> 01:05:38,160
and we'd like to see certain

1608
01:05:38,160 --> 01:05:40,320
certifications and experience with that.

1609
01:05:40,320 --> 01:05:42,400
I think that's part of it.

1610
01:05:42,400 --> 01:05:46,080
The gentleman that turned the job down I

1611
01:05:46,080 --> 01:05:50,160
think the the wages were appealing to

1612
01:05:50,160 --> 01:05:53,640
him, but the benefits

1613
01:05:53,640 --> 01:05:55,760
were at his former city

1614
01:05:55,760 --> 01:05:56,840
were

1615
01:05:56,840 --> 01:05:58,080
sufficient enough that he was like,

1616
01:05:58,080 --> 01:05:59,800
"Man, I I don't think I can step away."

1617
01:05:59,800 --> 01:06:01,320
So,

1618
01:06:01,320 --> 01:06:03,320
it just changes

1619
01:06:03,320 --> 01:06:05,800
constantly. It could be a wage concern,

1620
01:06:05,800 --> 01:06:08,560
it could be a benefit concern. It could

1621
01:06:08,560 --> 01:06:12,720
be you get applicants that like, "Man,

1622
01:06:12,720 --> 01:06:14,320
man, I I really don't want to relocate

1623
01:06:14,320 --> 01:06:16,440
my family." We recently interviewed an

1624
01:06:16,440 --> 01:06:19,280
individual from Logan and when it came

1625
01:06:19,280 --> 01:06:22,120
down to it just wasn't going to be in the cards

1626
01:06:22,120 --> 01:06:26,160
for them. So, a lot of things combine

1627
01:06:26,160 --> 01:06:28,800
in those type of challenges. So,

1628
01:06:28,800 --> 01:06:29,440
Good luck.

1629
01:06:29,440 --> 01:06:31,880
>> That's not fun. Thank you. We appreciate

1630
01:06:31,880 --> 01:06:32,040
you guys.

1631
01:06:32,040 --> 01:06:33,680
>> Credit to to Brian, the drinking water

1632
01:06:33,680 --> 01:06:36,680
manager. He's new in that position for

1633
01:06:36,680 --> 01:06:38,800
about two or so months, two or three

1634
01:06:38,800 --> 01:06:39,800
months.

1635
01:06:39,800 --> 01:06:42,800
And he is carrying that load largely

1636
01:06:42,800 --> 01:06:45,160
with one other individual and I just I

1637
01:06:45,160 --> 01:06:46,760
couldn't be more impressed with the job

1638
01:06:46,760 --> 01:06:48,760
that they're doing. Well, thank you. And

1639
01:06:48,760 --> 01:06:50,040
for those that don't know, the drinking

1640
01:06:50,040 --> 01:06:53,240
water testing is continual, ongoing and

1641
01:06:53,240 --> 01:06:55,680
>> Every day. crucial. Weekends, holidays,

1642
01:06:55,680 --> 01:06:57,600
we're we're in here every day monitoring

1643
01:06:57,600 --> 01:07:00,520
water quality. I mean, that's a life or

1644
01:07:00,520 --> 01:07:02,880
death health situation. So, if the water

1645
01:07:02,880 --> 01:07:03,800
chemical

1646
01:07:03,800 --> 01:07:05,800
>> Whether it's healthy water or sufficient

1647
01:07:05,800 --> 01:07:12,160
supply for fire suppression. It's It's a huge huge focus. Should be.

1648
01:07:12,160 --> 01:07:14,320
Well, thank you. Thank you.

1649
01:07:14,320 --> 01:07:16,520
>> Council, any questions?

1650
01:07:16,520 --> 01:07:17,720
Comments?

1651
01:07:17,720 --> 01:07:20,086
I have a comment. Okay.

1652
01:07:20,086 --> 01:07:20,120
>> [clears throat]

1653
01:07:20,120 --> 01:07:21,640
>> Thanks for what you do and all the

1654
01:07:21,640 --> 01:07:24,920
staff. Really appreciate it and I

1655
01:07:24,920 --> 01:07:27,120
Your presentation was fantastic. I love

1656
01:07:27,120 --> 01:07:29,920
the efficiency page cuz it kind of helps

1657
01:07:29,920 --> 01:07:31,200
me and I think the rest of us to

1658
01:07:31,200 --> 01:07:34,400
understand, okay, you are trying to save

1659
01:07:34,400 --> 01:07:37,200
taxpayer money and find solutions and

1660
01:07:37,200 --> 01:07:38,680
also the challenges. It's really good to

1661
01:07:38,680 --> 01:07:40,480
talk about that

1662
01:07:40,480 --> 01:07:42,320
so that we can be aware and the public

1663
01:07:42,320 --> 01:07:44,760
and it's It takes a lot to run the city,

1664
01:07:44,760 --> 01:07:46,400
but thank you to you and all your staff

1665
01:07:46,400 --> 01:07:48,240
and please pass that on. Thank Thank

1666
01:07:48,240 --> 01:07:49,280
you. And I

1667
01:07:49,280 --> 01:07:51,080
appreciate that and I get that

1668
01:07:51,080 --> 01:07:52,640
frequently from the council and the

1669
01:07:52,640 --> 01:07:53,680
mayor.

1670
01:07:53,680 --> 01:07:55,240
Uh you know, Michael stop in

1671
01:07:55,240 --> 01:07:56,680
occasionally if there's been like a

1672
01:07:56,680 --> 01:07:58,920
really bad storm. Just, "Hey, can you

1673
01:07:58,920 --> 01:08:01,200
just make sure that everybody knows?"

1674
01:08:01,200 --> 01:08:03,320
And And that means more than than you

1675
01:08:03,320 --> 01:08:07,480
know when when we get a card from a resident that like, "Hey,

1676
01:08:07,480 --> 01:08:08,760
thanks."

1677
01:08:08,760 --> 01:08:10,320
Largely you don't hear things unless

1678
01:08:10,320 --> 01:08:12,840
there's a problem. Uh uh Council member

1679
01:08:12,840 --> 01:08:14,360
Hunt, same thing. We'll We'll have

1680
01:08:14,360 --> 01:08:16,319
really crappy situations and she'll stop

1681
01:08:16,319 --> 01:08:17,279
in.

1682
01:08:17,279 --> 01:08:18,880
Uh you know, she's brought bagels to

1683
01:08:18,880 --> 01:08:22,359
these guys. So, that that means a ton.

1684
01:08:22,359 --> 01:08:27,480
We appreciate it. Uh and I I feel weird

1685
01:08:27,480 --> 01:08:29,560
every year doing this

1686
01:08:29,560 --> 01:08:31,040
if there's like, "Oh man, thank you so

1687
01:08:31,040 --> 01:08:33,400
much." I I can't say enough good about

1688
01:08:33,400 --> 01:08:35,240
the human beings

1689
01:08:35,240 --> 01:08:38,120
uh in public works as well as the city

1690
01:08:38,120 --> 01:08:38,759
uh

1691
01:08:38,759 --> 01:08:41,480
from top down, just phenomenal people

1692
01:08:41,480 --> 01:08:43,720
that do amazing things and and they

1693
01:08:43,720 --> 01:08:45,680
really do care about

1694
01:08:45,680 --> 01:08:48,240
the organization and the community. So,

1695
01:08:48,240 --> 01:08:49,279
thank you.

1696
01:08:49,279 --> 01:08:50,759
Well, thank you very much. Appreciate

1697
01:08:50,759 --> 01:08:51,759
your presentation.

1698
01:08:51,759 --> 01:08:54,359
>> I totally forgot. The I Last year I had

1699
01:08:54,359 --> 01:08:56,319
a bunch of like show and tell things.

1700
01:08:56,319 --> 01:08:56,920
>> that's right.

1701
01:08:56,920 --> 01:08:58,680
>> These are These are clean. I disinfected

1702
01:08:58,680 --> 01:08:59,279
them, so

1703
01:08:59,279 --> 01:09:00,120
>> Okay.

1704
01:09:00,120 --> 01:09:02,359
No No need to worry. They're They're not

1705
01:09:02,359 --> 01:09:03,880
>> exciting. I didn't have anything really

1706
01:09:03,880 --> 01:09:08,000
new. Uh this was a rock. Uh we we go out

1707
01:09:08,000 --> 01:09:10,640
and try and exercise valves. Uh we've

1708
01:09:10,640 --> 01:09:12,759
got something like 3,000 valves within

1709
01:09:12,759 --> 01:09:14,520
the city and we we want to check those

1710
01:09:14,520 --> 01:09:15,960
as frequently as we can. Make sure

1711
01:09:15,960 --> 01:09:17,680
they're working properly and that

1712
01:09:17,680 --> 01:09:19,920
they're open when they need to be open.

1713
01:09:19,920 --> 01:09:22,400
Uh and uh we found a neighborhood where

1714
01:09:22,400 --> 01:09:23,720
the neighborhood kids have been taking

1715
01:09:23,720 --> 01:09:25,240
these out of the park strip and dropping

1716
01:09:25,240 --> 01:09:27,680
them down the valve box. Oh, nice.

1717
01:09:27,680 --> 01:09:29,359
>> figure out like why can't we get onto

1718
01:09:29,359 --> 01:09:32,600
these valves? Uh and so uh

1719
01:09:32,600 --> 01:09:34,600
a crew of guys spent a a decent amount

1720
01:09:34,600 --> 01:09:36,720
of time going around cleaning out the

1721
01:09:36,720 --> 01:09:38,440
valve boxes. So I I thought that was

1722
01:09:38,440 --> 01:09:40,200
kind of comical cuz that's something I

1723
01:09:40,200 --> 01:09:43,640
would have done as a kid. Uh Um and then

1724
01:09:43,640 --> 01:09:44,520
But not good.

1725
01:09:44,520 --> 01:09:47,480
>> the 200 North project this last year

1726
01:09:47,480 --> 01:09:48,080
um

1727
01:09:48,080 --> 01:09:50,200
as as we were moving east and we

1728
01:09:50,200 --> 01:09:53,480
approached uh First East we encountered

1729
01:09:53,480 --> 01:09:55,160
the old Bamberger Railroad. Oh, right.

1730
01:09:55,160 --> 01:09:58,040
All the cross ties, butt plates, and and

1731
01:09:58,040 --> 01:09:59,280
spikes.

1732
01:09:59,280 --> 01:10:01,600
Uh and and that was quite a challenge

1733
01:10:01,600 --> 01:10:03,400
because as we excavated all the ballast

1734
01:10:03,400 --> 01:10:05,720
started to just collapse in and and

1735
01:10:05,720 --> 01:10:07,480
trying to figure out a way to stabilize

1736
01:10:07,480 --> 01:10:10,000
and and continue moving. Um but you

1737
01:10:10,000 --> 01:10:11,920
know, my my grandfather took the

1738
01:10:11,920 --> 01:10:13,080
Bamberger every day and I was like,

1739
01:10:13,080 --> 01:10:14,840
"Gosh, that is so stinking cool." So

1740
01:10:14,840 --> 01:10:17,640
this is a a spike from the Bamberger and

1741
01:10:17,640 --> 01:10:19,240
I'll I'll pass these around. It's it's

1742
01:10:19,240 --> 01:10:21,160
nothing like Yeah, that's pretty neat.

1743
01:10:21,160 --> 01:10:23,160
That's great. It's It's part of our

1744
01:10:23,160 --> 01:10:25,920
history except the rocks.

1745
01:10:25,920 --> 01:10:27,880
That's That's

1746
01:10:27,880 --> 01:10:28,680
Yeah.

1747
01:10:28,680 --> 01:10:32,080
It It's been here a long time. Yes, but

1748
01:10:32,080 --> 01:10:34,520
Oh, uh one one additional item. I'm I'm

1749
01:10:34,520 --> 01:10:37,200
sorry for I failed to mention this. Um

1750
01:10:37,200 --> 01:10:38,440
and I I think this was shared on

1751
01:10:38,440 --> 01:10:42,160
Tuesday. Uh but um in the financial

1752
01:10:42,160 --> 01:10:43,960
portion

1753
01:10:43,960 --> 01:10:46,520
I failed to to touch on this.

1754
01:10:46,520 --> 01:10:49,440
Um currently uh fund balance for the

1755
01:10:49,440 --> 01:10:52,040
drinking water department at the end of

1756
01:10:52,040 --> 01:10:52,840
uh

1757
01:10:52,840 --> 01:10:54,920
fiscal year 25

1758
01:10:54,920 --> 01:10:57,000
uh was $2.7 million.

1759
01:10:57,000 --> 01:10:59,960
Uh uh fund balance for storm water was

1760
01:10:59,960 --> 01:11:02,880
1.6 million dollars.

1761
01:11:02,880 --> 01:11:04,360
Josh, what you touched I know last time

1762
01:11:04,360 --> 01:11:06,760
you were here you talked about a well

1763
01:11:06,760 --> 01:11:08,360
that we are looking for alternative

1764
01:11:08,360 --> 01:11:10,440
sources of water.

1765
01:11:10,440 --> 01:11:12,560
Yeah. Oh. Will you mention that again?

1766
01:11:12,560 --> 01:11:14,360
>> brought that up. I failed to mention

1767
01:11:14,360 --> 01:11:17,960
that. Last week we found out that we our

1768
01:11:17,960 --> 01:11:19,920
application with the state engineer has

1769
01:11:19,920 --> 01:11:22,360
been approved to acquire Fantastic.

1770
01:11:22,360 --> 01:11:25,800
>> over 100 acre feet of ground water Good.

1771
01:11:25,800 --> 01:11:29,120
>> in a future well. Okay. That that's

1772
01:11:29,120 --> 01:11:31,360
normally like a 6-month process. It was

1773
01:11:31,360 --> 01:11:33,360
13 months to get that approval.

1774
01:11:33,360 --> 01:11:34,040
Fantastic.

1775
01:11:34,040 --> 01:11:36,880
>> And so grateful that that came in when

1776
01:11:36,880 --> 01:11:39,640
it did and it wasn't mired in a lot of

1777
01:11:39,640 --> 01:11:40,920
everything else that's going on right

1778
01:11:40,920 --> 01:11:41,920
now. Great job.

1779
01:11:41,920 --> 01:11:44,680
>> So we'll meet next week to find out more

1780
01:11:44,680 --> 01:11:48,040
of the details on that. We met today

1781
01:11:48,040 --> 01:11:49,280
with

1782
01:11:49,280 --> 01:11:50,200
the

1783
01:11:50,200 --> 01:11:54,200
company that manages our water model and just said, "Hey man, we would really

1784
01:11:54,200 --> 01:11:56,200
like to start wrapping our head around

1785
01:11:56,200 --> 01:11:58,160
how do you

1786
01:11:58,160 --> 01:12:00,200
pursue ground water?" We've never done

1787
01:12:00,200 --> 01:12:01,739
that here. Okay.

1788
01:12:01,739 --> 01:12:01,800
>> [clears throat]

1789
01:12:01,800 --> 01:12:04,600
>> At least in our time. The city had wells

1790
01:12:04,600 --> 01:12:07,040
back in the 50s but trying to understand

1791
01:12:07,040 --> 01:12:08,880
how do we move forward from here to the

1792
01:12:08,880 --> 01:12:11,400
point where we have that as a source

1793
01:12:11,400 --> 01:12:13,160
option within Kaysville City, provide

1794
01:12:13,160 --> 01:12:15,040
some redundancy if we ever have issues

1795
01:12:15,040 --> 01:12:17,360
with Weber Basin. So I'm so glad that

1796
01:12:17,360 --> 01:12:20,480
you brought that up. I totally forgot to touch on that.

1797
01:12:20,480 --> 01:12:22,080
>> Well, that is very exciting. Thank you

1798
01:12:22,080 --> 01:12:23,520
for doing that. And that's one of the

1799
01:12:23,520 --> 01:12:25,640
things that we are so focused on as a

1800
01:12:25,640 --> 01:12:28,120
city is looking towards the future and

1801
01:12:28,120 --> 01:12:29,560
making sure that the plans we have now

1802
01:12:29,560 --> 01:12:32,160
will sustain us. So thank you for Yeah,

1803
01:12:32,160 --> 01:12:34,280
the nice thing about that is those water

1804
01:12:34,280 --> 01:12:36,440
rights are being purchased with ARPA

1805
01:12:36,440 --> 01:12:37,560
funds. Oh, good.

1806
01:12:37,560 --> 01:12:38,840
>> So it's

1807
01:12:38,840 --> 01:12:41,320
we were able to confirm this meets the

1808
01:12:41,320 --> 01:12:43,040
requirements of ARPA. We're utilizing

1809
01:12:43,040 --> 01:12:44,560
those federal funds to acquire those

1810
01:12:44,560 --> 01:12:47,000
water rights for the future project. So

1811
01:12:47,000 --> 01:12:48,600
you know, otherwise like man, that would

1812
01:12:48,600 --> 01:12:49,880
be

1813
01:12:49,880 --> 01:12:51,760
a difficult thing to pull off normally

1814
01:12:51,760 --> 01:12:54,640
and and those funds made that possible.

1815
01:12:54,640 --> 01:12:57,320
So Congratulations Josh to to all of you

1816
01:12:57,320 --> 01:12:58,760
for doing that. That's That's really

1817
01:12:58,760 --> 01:13:00,080
exciting. People don't realize what a

1818
01:13:00,080 --> 01:13:02,280
big deal water rights are. Or maybe they

1819
01:13:02,280 --> 01:13:04,680
do, but I I think a lot of people don't.

1820
01:13:04,680 --> 01:13:06,200
I don't think I did. I definitely didn't

1821
01:13:06,200 --> 01:13:07,920
before I started with the city. So

1822
01:13:07,920 --> 01:13:10,600
>> Yeah. Good. Thank you.

1823
01:13:10,600 --> 01:13:12,680
Um any other questions or comments? All

1824
01:13:12,680 --> 01:13:13,920
right, thank you so much.

1825
01:13:13,920 --> 01:13:17,310
>> Thank you. Thanks Josh.

1826
01:13:17,320 --> 01:13:18,920
All right, do we have any conflicts of

1827
01:13:18,920 --> 01:13:22,320
interest council before we move on?

1828
01:13:22,320 --> 01:13:26,400
No? Okay, seeing none. We will move to

1829
01:13:26,400 --> 01:13:29,200
our consent agenda. We have uh five

1830
01:13:29,200 --> 01:13:31,600
items listed on the consent agenda. Four

1831
01:13:31,600 --> 01:13:33,720
items. Would someone like to make a

1832
01:13:33,720 --> 01:13:36,680
motion regarding number five consent

1833
01:13:36,680 --> 01:13:39,680
items? Can I move D off or just get one

1834
01:13:39,680 --> 01:13:42,440
question answered before Josh leaves?

1835
01:13:42,440 --> 01:13:44,080
Sure, Josh could we keep you for one

1836
01:13:44,080 --> 01:13:46,280
question? Other than that we can wait.

1837
01:13:46,280 --> 01:13:47,680
No, you can you can sit down till we get

1838
01:13:47,680 --> 01:13:47,800
done.

1839
01:13:47,800 --> 01:13:48,760
>> Great. We we need a second on the

1840
01:13:48,760 --> 01:13:52,640
motion. I'll second. Okay. All in favor?

1841
01:13:52,640 --> 01:13:55,720
I. Okay. Come on up.

1842
01:13:55,720 --> 01:13:58,000
Okay, the only question I have is uh it

1843
01:13:58,000 --> 01:13:59,160
says uh

1844
01:13:59,160 --> 01:14:00,840
a resolution approving a franchise

1845
01:14:00,840 --> 01:14:02,880
agreement with Forge Fiber. Are you good

1846
01:14:02,880 --> 01:14:04,000
with that?

1847
01:14:04,000 --> 01:14:06,680
Yeah, so normally we don't want any new

1848
01:14:06,680 --> 01:14:08,720
franchise agreements. There There are so

1849
01:14:08,720 --> 01:14:10,280
many companies here fighting with each

1850
01:14:10,280 --> 01:14:12,440
other for space in the right of way.

1851
01:14:12,440 --> 01:14:16,360
Uh Forge Fiber is a subsidiary of AT&T

1852
01:14:16,360 --> 01:14:18,880
and they have purchased all of Lumen's

1853
01:14:18,880 --> 01:14:20,160
infrastructure. They're taking that

1854
01:14:20,160 --> 01:14:22,680
over. So this is kind of a formality

1855
01:14:22,680 --> 01:14:25,186
switching ownership from Lumen over

1856
01:14:25,186 --> 01:14:28,480
[clears throat] to AT&T through Forge.

1857
01:14:28,480 --> 01:14:30,280
So in this case we are good with it.

1858
01:14:30,280 --> 01:14:32,680
>> Just curious if they are good actor.

1859
01:14:32,680 --> 01:14:36,200
AT&T far better than Lumen. Okay, and if

1860
01:14:36,200 --> 01:14:38,120
there was anything that you felt needed

1861
01:14:38,120 --> 01:14:40,120
to be included in that agreement.

1862
01:14:40,120 --> 01:14:41,560
>> I I don't think so. The The franchise

1863
01:14:41,560 --> 01:14:43,560
agreement form that Nick has put

1864
01:14:43,560 --> 01:14:46,520
together is is pretty robust and clear

1865
01:14:46,520 --> 01:14:48,560
and has been extremely helpful when we

1866
01:14:48,560 --> 01:14:53,200
run into issues with uh the utilities

1867
01:14:53,200 --> 01:14:55,160
that have the older

1868
01:14:55,160 --> 01:14:56,600
uh

1869
01:14:56,600 --> 01:14:58,160
franchise agreement. That's been

1870
01:14:58,160 --> 01:15:00,880
difficult as he's been able to move most

1871
01:15:00,880 --> 01:15:02,440
over to the new one.

1872
01:15:02,440 --> 01:15:04,080
Uh the it's it's like a night and day

1873
01:15:04,080 --> 01:15:06,120
difference. So, yeah, very very

1874
01:15:06,120 --> 01:15:08,720
supportive of of this change. Uh and

1875
01:15:08,720 --> 01:15:10,382
that's not to throw anybody with them

1876
01:15:10,382 --> 01:15:11,120
[clears throat] under the bus, but

1877
01:15:11,120 --> 01:15:13,640
they're they've been so difficult. And I

1878
01:15:13,640 --> 01:15:15,880
think a lot of that is just swamped and

1879
01:15:15,880 --> 01:15:17,200
Mhm. uh

1880
01:15:17,200 --> 01:15:19,720
staff that are just like, "Well, I don't know what to tell you, man."

1881
01:15:19,720 --> 01:15:20,600
Okay. So, yeah.

1882
01:15:20,600 --> 01:15:21,880
>> Great question.

1883
01:15:21,880 --> 01:15:23,880
Um Councilmember Member Jackson. Yeah,

1884
01:15:23,880 --> 01:15:25,520
so um

1885
01:15:25,520 --> 01:15:27,440
I've in my neighborhood, there's a few

1886
01:15:27,440 --> 01:15:31,680
homes um where Lumen they did such lousy

1887
01:15:31,680 --> 01:15:33,880
work where I could literally walk into

1888
01:15:33,880 --> 01:15:35,920
the backyard and grab the line that's

1889
01:15:35,920 --> 01:15:38,040
hanging really low between the

1890
01:15:38,040 --> 01:15:38,720
properties.

1891
01:15:38,720 --> 01:15:40,960
>> line that Yeah, along the property line

1892
01:15:40,960 --> 01:15:43,800
or the the power lines are above.

1893
01:15:43,800 --> 01:15:46,680
But the Lumen line is so low, a kid

1894
01:15:46,680 --> 01:15:48,120
could probably jump and grab it.

1895
01:15:48,120 --> 01:15:50,080
>> Yeah. And it's just such shoddy work.

1896
01:15:50,080 --> 01:15:52,720
And so, I would hope that um the city

1897
01:15:52,720 --> 01:15:55,560
communicates with AT&T and this company

1898
01:15:55,560 --> 01:15:57,680
um that it'd be nice to fix some of

1899
01:15:57,680 --> 01:15:59,240
those and just a lot of

1900
01:15:59,240 --> 01:16:01,400
>> Yeah, absolutely. I think

1901
01:16:01,400 --> 01:16:02,440
um

1902
01:16:02,440 --> 01:16:04,840
for for those individuals as well as as

1903
01:16:04,840 --> 01:16:06,040
others,

1904
01:16:06,040 --> 01:16:06,720
um

1905
01:16:06,720 --> 01:16:08,840
whether it's that company or a different

1906
01:16:08,840 --> 01:16:10,640
company, if you're experiencing those

1907
01:16:10,640 --> 01:16:12,640
kinds of issues, especially with

1908
01:16:12,640 --> 01:16:15,120
overhead lines, if you contact the

1909
01:16:15,120 --> 01:16:17,400
Kaysville City Power Department, uh one

1910
01:16:17,400 --> 01:16:18,400
of the employees in the power

1911
01:16:18,400 --> 01:16:20,120
department, his name is Brandon Willie,

1912
01:16:20,120 --> 01:16:22,960
he's the the utilities locator. And in

1913
01:16:22,960 --> 01:16:25,280
addition to marking blue stakes for the

1914
01:16:25,280 --> 01:16:27,880
city, Brandon is on like a first name

1915
01:16:27,880 --> 01:16:30,920
basis with representatives from each of

1916
01:16:30,920 --> 01:16:32,920
these utility companies.

1917
01:16:32,920 --> 01:16:35,800
And and Brandon it it the term that you

1918
01:16:35,800 --> 01:16:36,960
hear a lot of times like, "Hey, you

1919
01:16:36,960 --> 01:16:38,480
know, we got to hold people's feet to

1920
01:16:38,480 --> 01:16:40,280
the fire in certain situations." And

1921
01:16:40,280 --> 01:16:42,360
Brandon, I don't know if any of you knew

1922
01:16:42,360 --> 01:16:45,040
Brandon's dad, Martin. Mhm. Uh but but

1923
01:16:45,040 --> 01:16:48,880
Brandon is Martin reincarnated. Mhm. Uh

1924
01:16:48,880 --> 01:16:50,680
in in the best way possible.

1925
01:16:50,680 --> 01:16:51,360
>> a huge compliment.

1926
01:16:51,360 --> 01:16:53,280
>> Yeah, he It is a It is a massive

1927
01:16:53,280 --> 01:16:55,680
compliment, but he he he's good and

1928
01:16:55,680 --> 01:16:59,760
professional with these entities. Uh but he is

1929
01:16:59,760 --> 01:17:03,080
unyielding in terms of doing things the

1930
01:17:03,080 --> 01:17:05,480
right way. So, absolutely contact the

1931
01:17:05,480 --> 01:17:07,560
power department to get in touch with

1932
01:17:07,560 --> 01:17:11,240
Brandon, uh making him aware, uh and and

1933
01:17:11,240 --> 01:17:12,760
allow him to start working and

1934
01:17:12,760 --> 01:17:14,160
coordinating with, finding out

1935
01:17:14,160 --> 01:17:16,120
information, contacting the utility

1936
01:17:16,120 --> 01:17:18,160
company, for sure.

1937
01:17:18,160 --> 01:17:19,520
Thank you.

1938
01:17:19,520 --> 01:17:21,280
Okay. Thank you so much.

1939
01:17:21,280 --> 01:17:22,960
>> Thank you. Thank you.

1940
01:17:22,960 --> 01:17:24,120
All right, would someone like to make a

1941
01:17:24,120 --> 01:17:29,510
motion on consent items A through D?

1942
01:17:29,520 --> 01:17:31,200
Sure, I'll make a motion we approve

1943
01:17:31,200 --> 01:17:34,920
consent items A, B, C, and D.

1944
01:17:34,920 --> 01:17:35,640
I'll second.

1945
01:17:35,640 --> 01:17:37,120
>> Okay, thank you. We have a motion and a

1946
01:17:37,120 --> 01:17:39,480
second. Council member Jackson. Aye.

1947
01:17:39,480 --> 01:17:42,160
Aye.

1948
01:17:42,160 --> 01:17:45,880
Okay, thank you. Okay, now we

1949
01:17:45,880 --> 01:17:48,840
are on action item 6A, which is a

1950
01:17:48,840 --> 01:17:51,640
tentative budget. I will state the

1951
01:17:51,640 --> 01:17:54,480
tentative budget name or the

1952
01:17:54,480 --> 01:17:55,920
description, and then I will turn the

1953
01:17:55,920 --> 01:17:58,320
mic to Jason to give us a little bit of

1954
01:17:58,320 --> 01:18:01,440
historic context, and then Maureen

1955
01:18:01,440 --> 01:18:03,080
to

1956
01:18:03,080 --> 01:18:06,240
present. Okay. So, 6A, notice that the

1957
01:18:06,240 --> 01:18:08,600
budget officer intends to state in the

1958
01:18:08,600 --> 01:18:11,040
public meeting that the tentative budget

1959
01:18:11,040 --> 01:18:12,800
includes a proposed property tax

1960
01:18:12,800 --> 01:18:15,320
increase with an approximate percentage

1961
01:18:15,320 --> 01:18:18,520
increase of 17.59%

1962
01:18:18,520 --> 01:18:21,240
and approximate amount of

1963
01:18:21,240 --> 01:18:25,470
$1.226151

1964
01:18:25,480 --> 01:18:27,040
million purpose of funding needed

1965
01:18:27,040 --> 01:18:29,680
administrative and public safety costs

1966
01:18:29,680 --> 01:18:31,240
and capital projects, as well as

1967
01:18:31,240 --> 01:18:33,480
providing funds for debt service for the

1968
01:18:33,480 --> 01:18:35,680
Keysville Field House, and that the city

1969
01:18:35,680 --> 01:18:37,560
will provide notice of a public hearing

1970
01:18:37,560 --> 01:18:39,280
as required by law.

1971
01:18:39,280 --> 01:18:42,160
And I want to stress tentative in this

1972
01:18:42,160 --> 01:18:44,400
meeting. This is just one of many

1973
01:18:44,400 --> 01:18:46,240
meetings that we will continue to have.

1974
01:18:46,240 --> 01:18:48,440
Jason.

1975
01:18:48,440 --> 01:18:50,840
Thank you, Mayor.

1976
01:18:50,840 --> 01:18:52,360
Are those uh

1977
01:18:52,360 --> 01:18:53,520
Are we good to go?

1978
01:18:53,520 --> 01:18:55,560
Uh sure. Yeah.

1979
01:18:55,560 --> 01:18:56,360
Oh, okay.

1980
01:18:56,360 --> 01:18:58,120
>> up yet? Um we don't have slides yet. I

1981
01:18:58,120 --> 01:18:59,760
was just checking on neighbor.

1982
01:18:59,760 --> 01:19:00,600
Hold on.

1983
01:19:00,600 --> 01:19:05,950
We will.

1984
01:19:05,960 --> 01:19:08,560
If you want to talk first, sorry. Um I

1985
01:19:08,560 --> 01:19:21,710
just want to see which slides

1986
01:19:21,720 --> 01:19:35,110
It's not for me.

1987
01:19:35,120 --> 01:19:36,080
That's a really pretty

1988
01:19:36,080 --> 01:19:37,440
>> plug in?

1989
01:19:37,440 --> 01:19:41,390
That's a pretty picture.

1990
01:19:41,400 --> 01:19:45,430
Oh. The flowers are in.

1991
01:19:45,440 --> 01:19:46,440
We just thought we'd show you a pretty

1992
01:19:46,440 --> 01:19:50,160
picture like we didn't need any numbers.

1993
01:19:50,160 --> 01:19:52,960
just to set up.

1994
01:19:52,960 --> 01:19:54,800
Yeah, that's what I get to see when I'm

1995
01:19:54,800 --> 01:19:57,040
out riding my bike.

1996
01:19:57,040 --> 01:20:06,910
I love it. Yeah, and um

1997
01:20:06,920 --> 01:20:08,880
Sorry. Right, wait. I think I was going

1998
01:20:08,880 --> 01:20:11,120
to cover these this first part. I was

1999
01:20:11,120 --> 01:20:11,600
covering the first

2000
01:20:11,600 --> 01:20:12,520
>> But you're covering Okay, go ahead.

2001
01:20:12,520 --> 01:20:13,400
>> the last part.

2002
01:20:13,400 --> 01:20:17,120
>> All right. If that's okay.

2003
01:20:17,120 --> 01:20:19,240
Um okay, tonight we're presenting the

2004
01:20:19,240 --> 01:20:21,200
tentative budget, which includes an

2005
01:20:21,200 --> 01:20:23,760
increase of property taxes. Part of the

2006
01:20:23,760 --> 01:20:26,000
new requirements or since Kaysville City

2007
01:20:26,000 --> 01:20:28,840
is considering levying a tax rate that

2008
01:20:28,840 --> 01:20:31,040
exceeds the fiscal year certified rate,

2009
01:20:31,040 --> 01:20:33,680
we must prepare an impact statement,

2010
01:20:33,680 --> 01:20:35,680
which is showing on the screen, and we

2011
01:20:35,680 --> 01:20:37,600
have provided paper copies for those who

2012
01:20:37,600 --> 01:20:38,840
want them.

2013
01:20:38,840 --> 01:20:40,600
The impact statement shows that this

2014
01:20:40,600 --> 01:20:42,800
tentative budget proposes a property tax

2015
01:20:42,800 --> 01:20:48,430
increase of 1 million $226,151

2016
01:20:48,440 --> 01:20:50,640
or a 17.59%

2017
01:20:50,640 --> 01:20:55,080
increase of revenue and a or a 21.97%

2018
01:20:55,080 --> 01:20:57,480
increase of the tax rate.

2019
01:20:57,480 --> 01:20:59,400
Kaysville City proposed a property tax

2020
01:20:59,400 --> 01:21:02,280
increase for fiscal year '26, which was

2021
01:21:02,280 --> 01:21:05,160
not approved. So, this increase is to

2022
01:21:05,160 --> 01:21:07,760
address prior year funding needs, as

2023
01:21:07,760 --> 01:21:10,680
well as to support ongoing costs.

2024
01:21:10,680 --> 01:21:12,240
Specific reasons for the increase

2025
01:21:12,240 --> 01:21:13,440
include

2026
01:21:13,440 --> 01:21:15,680
adding

2027
01:21:15,680 --> 01:21:17,360
a part-time

2028
01:21:17,360 --> 01:21:19,200
records clerk in our police department

2029
01:21:19,200 --> 01:21:20,680
to help fulfill the demands of that

2030
01:21:20,680 --> 01:21:21,680
role,

2031
01:21:21,680 --> 01:21:24,160
collaboration between the city and Davis

2032
01:21:24,160 --> 01:21:26,200
County School District to be partners on

2033
01:21:26,200 --> 01:21:28,040
the Kaysville Fieldhouse,

2034
01:21:28,040 --> 01:21:30,120
which is currently under construction.

2035
01:21:30,120 --> 01:21:31,800
This tax increase will help fund those

2036
01:21:31,800 --> 01:21:33,000
payments,

2037
01:21:33,000 --> 01:21:34,840
which will be part general fund expense

2038
01:21:34,840 --> 01:21:36,720
and part ramp.

2039
01:21:36,720 --> 01:21:38,240
Other departments are seeing supply

2040
01:21:38,240 --> 01:21:40,960
budgets increase with inflation and

2041
01:21:40,960 --> 01:21:43,560
employee expenses with our yearly cola

2042
01:21:43,560 --> 01:21:45,720
and merit increases, which are also part

2043
01:21:45,720 --> 01:21:47,200
of inflation.

2044
01:21:47,200 --> 01:21:49,520
This increase is estimated to affect the

2045
01:21:49,520 --> 01:21:52,880
average Kaysville household valuing

2046
01:21:52,880 --> 01:21:55,200
$690,000,

2047
01:21:55,200 --> 01:22:00,040
$10.11 a month or $121.29

2048
01:22:00,040 --> 01:22:01,280
annually,

2049
01:22:01,280 --> 01:22:03,000
and the average [snorts] business valued

2050
01:22:03,000 --> 01:22:05,040
at $690,000,

2051
01:22:05,040 --> 01:22:06,760
$18.38

2052
01:22:06,760 --> 01:22:10,000
a month or $220.54

2053
01:22:10,000 --> 01:22:11,920
annually.

2054
01:22:11,920 --> 01:22:14,480
Other home values are shown here for

2055
01:22:14,480 --> 01:22:17,160
reference on the slide.

2056
01:22:17,160 --> 01:22:18,960
The tentative budgets will be available

2057
01:22:18,960 --> 01:22:20,880
for public inspection, and if Kaysville

2058
01:22:20,880 --> 01:22:23,280
City proceeds with the proposed tax rate

2059
01:22:23,280 --> 01:22:25,560
increase, the city will provide notice

2060
01:22:25,560 --> 01:22:28,760
of and conduct a public hearing where

2061
01:22:28,760 --> 01:22:30,200
members of the public will have an

2062
01:22:30,200 --> 01:22:32,320
opportunity to comment on the proposed

2063
01:22:32,320 --> 01:22:34,720
tax rate increase. The public hearing is

2064
01:22:34,720 --> 01:22:39,707
scheduled for June 4th, 2026.

2065
01:22:39,717 --> 01:22:40,360
» [snorts and clears throat]

2066
01:22:40,360 --> 01:22:41,800
>> The tentative budget is a working

2067
01:22:41,800 --> 01:22:43,320
document.

2068
01:22:43,320 --> 01:22:45,840
This is in no way final and council and

2069
01:22:45,840 --> 01:22:47,720
staff have worked hard to collaborate

2070
01:22:47,720 --> 01:22:50,520
together to get the tax rate down while

2071
01:22:50,520 --> 01:22:52,880
still funding needs of the city.

2072
01:22:52,880 --> 01:22:55,000
I expect we'll be scheduling more work

2073
01:22:55,000 --> 01:22:56,920
sessions between now and the public

2074
01:22:56,920 --> 01:22:58,760
hearing date to continue work on the

2075
01:22:58,760 --> 01:23:00,240
budget.

2076
01:23:00,240 --> 01:23:03,040
I want to thank the council, mayor,

2077
01:23:03,040 --> 01:23:04,480
and department heads for being willing

2078
01:23:04,480 --> 01:23:06,520
to work together and keep the residents

2079
01:23:06,520 --> 01:23:08,880
of Kaysville top of mind while also

2080
01:23:08,880 --> 01:23:11,040
balancing the needs of the city.

2081
01:23:11,040 --> 01:23:13,240
It's not an easy job. Some might call it

2082
01:23:13,240 --> 01:23:15,000
a delicate dance.

2083
01:23:15,000 --> 01:23:17,000
I'm very proud to be a part of this team

2084
01:23:17,000 --> 01:23:18,760
and I've been very impressed with how

2085
01:23:18,760 --> 01:23:20,960
we've come together and kept in mind

2086
01:23:20,960 --> 01:23:22,880
that we all have the same goal

2087
01:23:22,880 --> 01:23:24,720
to enhance the present and future

2088
01:23:24,720 --> 01:23:27,720
quality of community life in Kaysville

2089
01:23:27,720 --> 01:23:29,240
through the delivery of effective,

2090
01:23:29,240 --> 01:23:32,120
efficient, and equitable services.

2091
01:23:32,120 --> 01:23:34,160
An interim budget will be prepared after

2092
01:23:34,160 --> 01:23:36,040
the June public hearing date and will be

2093
01:23:36,040 --> 01:23:38,480
presented June 18th.

2094
01:23:38,480 --> 01:23:40,640
And once passed, be in effect from July

2095
01:23:40,640 --> 01:23:44,560
1st until August 7th, 2026 or the public

2096
01:23:44,560 --> 01:23:47,600
hearing for truth and taxation and final

2097
01:23:47,600 --> 01:23:50,120
budget adoption date.

2098
01:23:50,120 --> 01:23:51,920
And I have some other slides that Jason

2099
01:23:51,920 --> 01:23:53,680
can speak to just kind of showing some

2100
01:23:53,680 --> 01:23:55,043
history and

2101
01:23:55,043 --> 01:23:55,240
>> [clears throat]

2102
01:23:55,240 --> 01:23:57,990
>> information.

2103
01:23:58,000 --> 01:23:59,000
Great.

2104
01:23:59,000 --> 01:24:00,240
So,

2105
01:24:00,240 --> 01:24:01,720
I think the takeaway from this slide is

2106
01:24:01,720 --> 01:24:04,640
over the last 30 years, our rate is

2107
01:24:04,640 --> 01:24:08,400
actually less um

2108
01:24:08,400 --> 01:24:10,880
If you look at that uh 0.0018, slightly

2109
01:24:10,880 --> 01:24:13,960
above in 1997, and we're down to just

2110
01:24:13,960 --> 01:24:16,720
over the uh 0.0014

2111
01:24:16,720 --> 01:24:20,920
uh as of 2025 and 2025. So,

2112
01:24:20,920 --> 01:24:22,160
uh

2113
01:24:22,160 --> 01:24:24,880
you can obviously see some of the the

2114
01:24:24,880 --> 01:24:27,360
times where it's increased in 2014 where

2115
01:24:27,360 --> 01:24:30,200
there was a TNT truth and taxation done

2116
01:24:30,200 --> 01:24:32,520
to raise

2117
01:24:32,520 --> 01:24:33,400
um

2118
01:24:33,400 --> 01:24:35,960
revenues to pay off the police station

2119
01:24:35,960 --> 01:24:37,320
bonds.

2120
01:24:37,320 --> 01:24:39,720
And then in 2021 we added paramedics to

2121
01:24:39,720 --> 01:24:43,480
our firefighter our fire departments.

2122
01:24:43,480 --> 01:24:46,680
And then 2023 was when we did a

2123
01:24:46,680 --> 01:24:48,920
an increase to

2124
01:24:48,920 --> 01:24:50,520
mostly um

2125
01:24:50,520 --> 01:24:52,080
increase uh

2126
01:24:52,080 --> 01:24:54,440
compensation for public safety police

2127
01:24:54,440 --> 01:24:55,760
officers.

2128
01:24:55,760 --> 01:24:57,640
Um

2129
01:24:57,640 --> 01:25:00,400
So, I think the takeaway there is really

2130
01:25:00,400 --> 01:25:02,880
we haven't done a whole lot to do truth

2131
01:25:02,880 --> 01:25:06,160
and taxation just to capture inflation

2132
01:25:06,160 --> 01:25:08,560
growth. And if we don't do truth and

2133
01:25:08,560 --> 01:25:10,800
taxation as you know to capture

2134
01:25:10,800 --> 01:25:13,000
inflation then by doing nothing we

2135
01:25:13,000 --> 01:25:15,080
actually are bringing in

2136
01:25:15,080 --> 01:25:17,480
less dollars year-over-year when you

2137
01:25:17,480 --> 01:25:20,000
look at inflation factors.

2138
01:25:20,000 --> 01:25:21,320
So,

2139
01:25:21,320 --> 01:25:22,280
um

2140
01:25:22,280 --> 01:25:25,000
I guess next slide uh again I think this

2141
01:25:25,000 --> 01:25:26,360
is one of the

2142
01:25:26,360 --> 01:25:30,040
most obvious barometers if you will

2143
01:25:30,040 --> 01:25:32,440
and and how we're operating as a city

2144
01:25:32,440 --> 01:25:35,480
and um we've continued to be among the

2145
01:25:35,480 --> 01:25:38,560
lowest uh in tax rate among the 15

2146
01:25:38,560 --> 01:25:40,720
cities. We're currently the third lowest

2147
01:25:40,720 --> 01:25:45,280
tax rate of all 15 cities. Um with the

2148
01:25:45,280 --> 01:25:48,160
tentative budget as currently proposed

2149
01:25:48,160 --> 01:25:49,800
uh we would still be

2150
01:25:49,800 --> 01:25:51,040
uh in the lower half as you can see

2151
01:25:51,040 --> 01:25:53,160
number nine out of 15.

2152
01:25:53,160 --> 01:25:54,560
Um

2153
01:25:54,560 --> 01:25:55,240
Next

2154
01:25:55,240 --> 01:25:57,600
>> I I will add that I've spoken to several

2155
01:25:57,600 --> 01:26:01,560
cities and at least six of of the 15,

2156
01:26:01,560 --> 01:26:04,400
six or seven, are also planning truth

2157
01:26:04,400 --> 01:26:07,280
and taxation. And so I believe that we

2158
01:26:07,280 --> 01:26:10,560
would still be in the bottom five. Oh.

2159
01:26:10,560 --> 01:26:13,390
Okay.

2160
01:26:13,400 --> 01:26:15,560
Perfect. Um

2161
01:26:15,560 --> 01:26:17,320
and then this is again the slide we've

2162
01:26:17,320 --> 01:26:18,080
uh

2163
01:26:18,080 --> 01:26:20,200
seen before, but

2164
01:26:20,200 --> 01:26:22,760
uh this is the total

2165
01:26:22,760 --> 01:26:26,920
anticipated impact on residents. Um

2166
01:26:26,920 --> 01:26:29,320
if you look at the property tax that

2167
01:26:29,320 --> 01:26:31,080
current increase that's currently

2168
01:26:31,080 --> 01:26:34,920
proposed again is about $10.11 per

2169
01:26:34,920 --> 01:26:36,840
month. That would be for the average

2170
01:26:36,840 --> 01:26:39,480
house value in Kaysville.

2171
01:26:39,480 --> 01:26:42,120
And then, the other numbers below that

2172
01:26:42,120 --> 01:26:44,520
uh the utility numbers are just based on

2173
01:26:44,520 --> 01:26:48,840
average use. Um so, you can see $1.63 is

2174
01:26:48,840 --> 01:26:52,280
the average impact for the water, $1.31

2175
01:26:52,280 --> 01:26:54,800
for electric per month. Um sanitation

2176
01:26:54,800 --> 01:26:57,200
and sewer going up um

2177
01:26:57,200 --> 01:26:59,640
$1.62 and $3.25, but that's mostly just

2178
01:26:59,640 --> 01:27:00,920
pass-through costs from the sewer

2179
01:27:00,920 --> 01:27:03,480
district and Robinson Waste.

2180
01:27:03,480 --> 01:27:05,600
Uh you can see the total low impact to

2181
01:27:05,600 --> 01:27:08,440
the average resident is about $20.32

2182
01:27:08,440 --> 01:27:09,480
a month.

2183
01:27:09,480 --> 01:27:10,440
Um

2184
01:27:10,440 --> 01:27:11,880
and

2185
01:27:11,880 --> 01:27:15,190
next slide.

2186
01:27:15,200 --> 01:27:17,520
So, this is just This is always a nice

2187
01:27:17,520 --> 01:27:20,240
snapshot. As we remember

2188
01:27:20,240 --> 01:27:23,000
uh the total property tax bill and how

2189
01:27:23,000 --> 01:27:24,840
much of that actually goes to the city

2190
01:27:24,840 --> 01:27:28,240
of Kaysville. Um it ranges anywhere from

2191
01:27:28,240 --> 01:27:32,960
16 15 16 18%. Um most obviously goes to

2192
01:27:32,960 --> 01:27:34,680
the school district.

2193
01:27:34,680 --> 01:27:36,120
And

2194
01:27:36,120 --> 01:27:37,960
you know, that that goes to pay for

2195
01:27:37,960 --> 01:27:39,920
everything from fire, police, parks.

2196
01:27:39,920 --> 01:27:43,160
It's just a lot for a relatively small

2197
01:27:43,160 --> 01:27:45,080
piece of the pie.

2198
01:27:45,080 --> 01:27:47,080
And next slide.

2199
01:27:47,080 --> 01:27:48,800
Is that the last one? Great. And I I

2200
01:27:48,800 --> 01:27:50,880
think the last stress we want to make is

2201
01:27:50,880 --> 01:27:52,520
um obviously a lot of work's been done.

2202
01:27:52,520 --> 01:27:55,520
Ton of credit to council, to Maureen and

2203
01:27:55,520 --> 01:27:57,800
Parker, and all the department heads for

2204
01:27:57,800 --> 01:27:59,080
the hard work and just sifting through

2205
01:27:59,080 --> 01:28:01,120
the budget, finding ways to save while

2206
01:28:01,120 --> 01:28:03,280
being responsible. I think we've had

2207
01:28:03,280 --> 01:28:05,560
some really good conversations. For the

2208
01:28:05,560 --> 01:28:08,760
first time, I think to my knowledge

2209
01:28:08,760 --> 01:28:09,560
uh

2210
01:28:09,560 --> 01:28:11,160
we've had discussions that don't just

2211
01:28:11,160 --> 01:28:13,160
focus on the current year, but what's

2212
01:28:13,160 --> 01:28:14,080
going to happen in the next year, the

2213
01:28:14,080 --> 01:28:16,360
next year, which is just what we should

2214
01:28:16,360 --> 01:28:19,040
be doing. And huge credit to Marine for

2215
01:28:19,040 --> 01:28:20,640
that great spreadsheet she had the other

2216
01:28:20,640 --> 01:28:22,640
night that was a live active spreadsheet

2217
01:28:22,640 --> 01:28:24,640
that helped us see, all right, if we if

2218
01:28:24,640 --> 01:28:26,400
we defer this particular expense, what

2219
01:28:26,400 --> 01:28:28,080
happens to that expense if it goes on

2220
01:28:28,080 --> 01:28:30,440
next year's taxes and just really helped

2221
01:28:30,440 --> 01:28:33,200
us, I think, see the big picture. And

2222
01:28:33,200 --> 01:28:35,040
that's so important. And I know there's

2223
01:28:35,040 --> 01:28:37,120
a lot of work to be done still. We

2224
01:28:37,120 --> 01:28:38,280
expect we're going to do another work

2225
01:28:38,280 --> 01:28:39,840
session. I guess we'll talk about that

2226
01:28:39,840 --> 01:28:42,840
in second. Um, but I know we're we're

2227
01:28:42,840 --> 01:28:46,480
still looking for ways to to further

2228
01:28:46,480 --> 01:28:49,360
save, find ways to operate efficiently

2229
01:28:49,360 --> 01:28:53,440
wherever we can, um, and be responsible

2230
01:28:53,440 --> 01:28:55,640
for the mission we have that to take

2231
01:28:55,640 --> 01:28:57,200
care of our services in a responsible

2232
01:28:57,200 --> 01:28:58,880
way while also doing it as

2233
01:28:58,880 --> 01:29:01,880
cost-effective as possible. And uh, I'm

2234
01:29:01,880 --> 01:29:03,280
excited about where we're going with

2235
01:29:03,280 --> 01:29:05,520
that. Again, just I I think some of the

2236
01:29:05,520 --> 01:29:07,320
best conversations this city has had in

2237
01:29:07,320 --> 01:29:08,880
a long time about the budget have just

2238
01:29:08,880 --> 01:29:10,800
been occurring the last couple months.

2239
01:29:10,800 --> 01:29:12,560
So, I'm I'm really proud of everybody

2240
01:29:12,560 --> 01:29:14,280
for the hard work they've been doing on

2241
01:29:14,280 --> 01:29:16,240
all sides all around. So,

2242
01:29:16,240 --> 01:29:17,520
um,

2243
01:29:17,520 --> 01:29:19,240
with that, I know there's still a lot of

2244
01:29:19,240 --> 01:29:20,560
work to be done and I think we were

2245
01:29:20,560 --> 01:29:21,840
going to talk about scheduling another

2246
01:29:21,840 --> 01:29:24,560
work session. We will. Um, I was going

2247
01:29:24,560 --> 01:29:25,760
to just mention we do have someone

2248
01:29:25,760 --> 01:29:27,320
signed up for public comment before we

2249
01:29:27,320 --> 01:29:30,080
go. And and I just want to make a quick

2250
01:29:30,080 --> 01:29:32,800
statement. None of us, and I speak very

2251
01:29:32,800 --> 01:29:34,720
confidently for every single council

2252
01:29:34,720 --> 01:29:37,280
member, wants to increase taxes.

2253
01:29:37,280 --> 01:29:39,920
Okay? We also shop at the grocery store.

2254
01:29:39,920 --> 01:29:42,080
We also know how much milk costs and

2255
01:29:42,080 --> 01:29:45,240
gas. And it is heartburn

2256
01:29:45,240 --> 01:29:47,560
to even have discussions about this.

2257
01:29:47,560 --> 01:29:49,400
However, last year we did make some

2258
01:29:49,400 --> 01:29:52,640
commitments that we have to honor.

2259
01:29:52,640 --> 01:29:55,880
You can't be a city that commits to uh

2260
01:29:55,880 --> 01:29:58,320
to doing something and then not do it.

2261
01:29:58,320 --> 01:29:59,960
And so, we are doing everything that we

2262
01:29:59,960 --> 01:30:03,120
can as a council to work with staff to

2263
01:30:03,120 --> 01:30:05,840
decrease the percentage and the dollar

2264
01:30:05,840 --> 01:30:08,720
amount of impact to our residents, and

2265
01:30:08,720 --> 01:30:10,520
we will continue to work hard to do it.

2266
01:30:10,520 --> 01:30:13,360
We have several months still to be able

2267
01:30:13,360 --> 01:30:16,160
to continue these conversations. None of

2268
01:30:16,160 --> 01:30:17,640
us want

2269
01:30:17,640 --> 01:30:19,760
to to a tax increase.

2270
01:30:19,760 --> 01:30:21,640
None of us, and because we know what it

2271
01:30:21,640 --> 01:30:23,840
means. We know that it means um it's an

2272
01:30:23,840 --> 01:30:25,320
impact to your pocketbooks and to your

2273
01:30:25,320 --> 01:30:27,520
families and to your lives, and so as I

2274
01:30:27,520 --> 01:30:29,560
preface that, I do have one person that

2275
01:30:29,560 --> 01:30:31,560
signed up to speak. It is Lorraine

2276
01:30:31,560 --> 01:30:33,800
Starkey, and then we will have I have a

2277
01:30:33,800 --> 01:30:34,240
question.

2278
01:30:34,240 --> 01:30:35,720
>> Comment. Oh, go ahead. Just a quick

2279
01:30:35,720 --> 01:30:39,800
question. I noticed on that on the previous slides, there's two

2280
01:30:39,800 --> 01:30:42,880
numbers. There's a 17.59%

2281
01:30:42,880 --> 01:30:45,960
Oh, yeah. versus the 21%.

2282
01:30:45,960 --> 01:30:47,080
Just trying to get clarification on

2283
01:30:47,080 --> 01:30:47,960
that.

2284
01:30:47,960 --> 01:30:51,560
Yeah, so the state requires that we um

2285
01:30:51,560 --> 01:30:53,800
report on the statement of intent that

2286
01:30:53,800 --> 01:30:55,600
the percentage of increase of revenue,

2287
01:30:55,600 --> 01:30:59,560
which is the 17.59. Okay. The 21.97 is

2288
01:30:59,560 --> 01:31:01,160
the rate increase, and that's what's

2289
01:31:01,160 --> 01:31:05,400
going to show on the valuation notices that get sent out

2290
01:31:05,400 --> 01:31:08,160
to the city. Okay. So, that's the 21.97

2291
01:31:08,160 --> 01:31:09,960
we had built in that live spreadsheet.

2292
01:31:09,960 --> 01:31:10,840
Okay.

2293
01:31:10,840 --> 01:31:13,240
Thank you. Yes. So, that just to

2294
01:31:13,240 --> 01:31:15,400
clarify, so the notice that will go out,

2295
01:31:15,400 --> 01:31:17,120
should we move forward with choosing

2296
01:31:17,120 --> 01:31:20,400
truth in taxation, is the 17.59%

2297
01:31:20,400 --> 01:31:22,560
because that is the increase. No, sorry.

2298
01:31:22,560 --> 01:31:26,760
17.59 is revenue. We we notice of the

2299
01:31:26,760 --> 01:31:29,480
rate increasing, which is the 21.97 that

2300
01:31:29,480 --> 01:31:32,040
we got to Tuesday night so far. Okay, so

2301
01:31:32,040 --> 01:31:33,600
far in our discussions today.

2302
01:31:33,600 --> 01:31:36,480
>> so the rate will go up 21%.

2303
01:31:36,480 --> 01:31:37,240
Yes.

2304
01:31:37,240 --> 01:31:39,200
>> of the amount will be 17%.

2305
01:31:39,200 --> 01:31:41,000
>> Correct. That's a Thank you for wording

2306
01:31:41,000 --> 01:31:43,040
it that way. Yes. Thank you. Okay. All

2307
01:31:43,040 --> 01:31:48,830
right, Mrs. Starkey, please come up.

2308
01:31:48,840 --> 01:31:50,960
Um yeah, I can unplug. One second. No,

2309
01:31:50,960 --> 01:31:52,880
you can leave it up. Oh, okay. If it's

2310
01:31:52,880 --> 01:31:55,910
in your way.

2311
01:31:55,920 --> 01:31:58,640
Okay, so I got up at the

2312
01:31:58,640 --> 01:32:01,840
county meeting after someone had

2313
01:32:01,840 --> 01:32:03,880
invited them to do a prayer and they

2314
01:32:03,880 --> 01:32:05,840
didn't so she gave a prayer and I'm just

2315
01:32:05,840 --> 01:32:07,400
going to do it. Dear heavenly father, we

2316
01:32:07,400 --> 01:32:09,560
are so grateful for

2317
01:32:09,560 --> 01:32:13,520
a constitution and an an ability for for

2318
01:32:13,520 --> 01:32:15,880
um citizens

2319
01:32:15,880 --> 01:32:19,280
to engage. We're thankful for the hours

2320
01:32:19,280 --> 01:32:22,480
and hours and hours of um

2321
01:32:22,480 --> 01:32:25,680
effort to make a sacrifice to

2322
01:32:25,680 --> 01:32:27,360
lower the

2323
01:32:27,360 --> 01:32:29,280
tax increase and we're thankful for the

2324
01:32:29,280 --> 01:32:32,440
questions of each one of the

2325
01:32:32,440 --> 01:32:35,760
council members and the

2326
01:32:35,760 --> 01:32:39,640
staff as they've deliberated and

2327
01:32:39,640 --> 01:32:43,200
worked to lower the

2328
01:32:43,200 --> 01:32:46,520
increase on the widows and the single

2329
01:32:46,520 --> 01:32:50,680
parent families and the the single

2330
01:32:50,680 --> 01:32:52,360
the families of those that have one

2331
01:32:52,360 --> 01:32:54,400
income. We're thankful for those that

2332
01:32:54,400 --> 01:32:55,480
are

2333
01:32:55,480 --> 01:32:56,520
um

2334
01:32:56,520 --> 01:32:58,720
struggling with their health

2335
01:32:58,720 --> 01:33:00,040
and that are

2336
01:33:00,040 --> 01:33:01,880
wondering if they can stay in Kaysville

2337
01:33:01,880 --> 01:33:03,840
because of the taxes. We're thankful for

2338
01:33:03,840 --> 01:33:07,600
the efforts of each one of the

2339
01:33:07,600 --> 01:33:09,680
council members and we pray for them one

2340
01:33:09,680 --> 01:33:14,360
by one. Um Don Adams, Abigail Hunt,

2341
01:33:14,360 --> 01:33:18,150
Mayor Tran,

2342
01:33:18,160 --> 01:33:20,680
Nate Jackson,

2343
01:33:20,680 --> 01:33:23,280
Josh McBride and Mike Blackham. We pray

2344
01:33:23,280 --> 01:33:25,640
for our

2345
01:33:25,640 --> 01:33:27,720
city manager and our community

2346
01:33:27,720 --> 01:33:29,240
development director and we pray for

2347
01:33:29,240 --> 01:33:30,960
each one of our

2348
01:33:30,960 --> 01:33:32,880
leaders and especially that we can fill

2349
01:33:32,880 --> 01:33:35,000
the staff with adept

2350
01:33:35,000 --> 01:33:36,800
people when we are losing them. We are

2351
01:33:36,800 --> 01:33:39,480
thankful for the citizens who choose to

2352
01:33:39,480 --> 01:33:42,080
engage. We're thankful for

2353
01:33:42,080 --> 01:33:44,520
those citizens that may not yet choose

2354
01:33:44,520 --> 01:33:46,440
to engage that may find out that it's

2355
01:33:46,440 --> 01:33:48,560
worth it. We thank thee for all the time

2356
01:33:48,560 --> 01:33:49,960
that we have

2357
01:33:49,960 --> 01:33:51,280
um

2358
01:33:51,280 --> 01:33:53,440
to engage and the feeling that we have

2359
01:33:53,440 --> 01:33:55,160
when we do that in the name of Jesus

2360
01:33:55,160 --> 01:33:58,480
Christ. Amen. Amen. Thank you.

2361
01:33:58,480 --> 01:34:00,320
so much.

2362
01:34:00,320 --> 01:34:03,200
Okay, council discussion. We have to so

2363
01:34:03,200 --> 01:34:05,680
the state law has some new requirements.

2364
01:34:05,680 --> 01:34:07,600
Each one of these items on your agenda

2365
01:34:07,600 --> 01:34:10,840
has to be voted on separately. So, now's

2366
01:34:10,840 --> 01:34:14,760
the time for a conversation, questions,

2367
01:34:14,760 --> 01:34:17,000
and then we will have to vote after each

2368
01:34:17,000 --> 01:34:21,110
um bullet point.

2369
01:34:21,120 --> 01:34:22,160
Can [clears throat] I ask a quick

2370
01:34:22,160 --> 01:34:22,600
question?

2371
01:34:22,600 --> 01:34:23,960
>> Absolutely,

2372
01:34:23,960 --> 01:34:25,040
Council Member McMahon. So, you are

2373
01:34:25,040 --> 01:34:27,760
going to have an additional work session

2374
01:34:27,760 --> 01:34:28,120
>> Yes.

2375
01:34:28,120 --> 01:34:29,600
>> that discusses

2376
01:34:29,600 --> 01:34:31,240
where the income comes from. Is that

2377
01:34:31,240 --> 01:34:33,720
correct? Is that how that works? Jason.

2378
01:34:33,720 --> 01:34:35,800
Yes. Okay. So, this is how it's spent,

2379
01:34:35,800 --> 01:34:36,440
then we're going to have another

2380
01:34:36,440 --> 01:34:37,720
discussion on where it comes from and

2381
01:34:37,720 --> 01:34:41,120
how we generate the revenue.

2382
01:34:41,120 --> 01:34:42,880
So, I know there was a desire to have uh

2383
01:34:42,880 --> 01:34:44,760
further discussion on how to get the the

2384
01:34:44,760 --> 01:34:47,360
numbers down and look for further

2385
01:34:47,360 --> 01:34:48,600
just understanding, I guess, of

2386
01:34:48,600 --> 01:34:50,200
everything. And so, whatever that means

2387
01:34:50,200 --> 01:34:52,000
to the council, whatever specific

2388
01:34:52,000 --> 01:34:54,320
questions that you want us to bring

2389
01:34:54,320 --> 01:34:56,280
answers to, um

2390
01:34:56,280 --> 01:34:58,520
that's that's what this will be about.

2391
01:34:58,520 --> 01:35:00,600
So.

2392
01:35:00,600 --> 01:35:02,760
Well, cuz I I one thing that I've talked

2393
01:35:02,760 --> 01:35:04,360
about is the impact fees and trying to

2394
01:35:04,360 --> 01:35:06,360
see where we are on those and generate

2395
01:35:06,360 --> 01:35:09,320
those things. And so we can get a more accurate

2396
01:35:09,320 --> 01:35:12,080
breakdown of where all funds come from

2397
01:35:12,080 --> 01:35:13,960
that generate this number.

2398
01:35:13,960 --> 01:35:15,520
Maybe help the city.

2399
01:35:15,520 --> 01:35:18,000
That makes sense. Yeah, and and

2400
01:35:18,000 --> 01:35:20,000
I think so. I I just say in just

2401
01:35:20,000 --> 01:35:21,240
general, I know there's a lot of

2402
01:35:21,240 --> 01:35:22,880
questions. So,

2403
01:35:22,880 --> 01:35:26,120
um for the next session, uh if you could

2404
01:35:26,120 --> 01:35:29,120
maybe email me and Moran uh questions,

2405
01:35:29,120 --> 01:35:30,520
things specifically that you really want

2406
01:35:30,520 --> 01:35:32,160
us to be able to answer clearly, we'll

2407
01:35:32,160 --> 01:35:34,760
try to prepare really clear, you know,

2408
01:35:34,760 --> 01:35:37,200
uh data, slides, whatever we can to make

2409
01:35:37,200 --> 01:35:39,640
sure those those are clear. Perfect.

2410
01:35:39,640 --> 01:35:40,280
>> So. Thank you.

2411
01:35:40,280 --> 01:35:42,880
>> Yeah, for sure.

2412
01:35:42,880 --> 01:35:44,240
Thank you. Any other discussion,

2413
01:35:44,240 --> 01:35:45,840
council?

2414
01:35:45,840 --> 01:35:47,200
Member Hart, you look like

2415
01:35:47,200 --> 01:35:47,800
you've got one.

2416
01:35:47,800 --> 01:35:49,240
>> Yeah, are we are we okay to make

2417
01:35:49,240 --> 01:35:50,400
comments or we only on questions right

2418
01:35:50,400 --> 01:35:50,880
now?

2419
01:35:50,880 --> 01:35:52,560
>> comments. Okay. Um

2420
01:35:52,560 --> 01:35:53,800
I mean, I think

2421
01:35:53,800 --> 01:35:55,040
I just want to echo what's kind of

2422
01:35:55,040 --> 01:35:56,920
already been said, which is that this is

2423
01:35:56,920 --> 01:35:58,840
tentative. Um,

2424
01:35:58,840 --> 01:36:01,880
we've had a lot of great discussions.

2425
01:36:01,880 --> 01:36:03,240
Um,

2426
01:36:03,240 --> 01:36:05,600
but yeah, I I don't think it's where I'm

2427
01:36:05,600 --> 01:36:06,880
comfortable with it being the final

2428
01:36:06,880 --> 01:36:08,800
budget yet, but um, I know we've made

2429
01:36:08,800 --> 01:36:11,000
progress and um, I just want to say

2430
01:36:11,000 --> 01:36:12,680
thanks to all of the staff who put a lot

2431
01:36:12,680 --> 01:36:14,120
of work into it and also the council.

2432
01:36:14,120 --> 01:36:15,120
We've

2433
01:36:15,120 --> 01:36:17,280
really tried to work hard on it and um,

2434
01:36:17,280 --> 01:36:18,720
come to

2435
01:36:18,720 --> 01:36:20,120
something that can be beneficial for the

2436
01:36:20,120 --> 01:36:22,760
residents. So, yeah, I I yeah, I guess I

2437
01:36:22,760 --> 01:36:23,520
just want to say that you know, it's

2438
01:36:23,520 --> 01:36:24,680
tentative. We're still working. We're

2439
01:36:24,680 --> 01:36:25,680
going to keep working. We're going to

2440
01:36:25,680 --> 01:36:28,000
keep listening. Reach out, please. If

2441
01:36:28,000 --> 01:36:30,800
you have ideas, please reach out. Um,

2442
01:36:30,800 --> 01:36:33,000
yeah, thanks. Thank you. And I will um,

2443
01:36:33,000 --> 01:36:35,080
also add once we get to the point where

2444
01:36:35,080 --> 01:36:38,000
we're making an actual decision, we will

2445
01:36:38,000 --> 01:36:41,200
provide a list of, you know, asks

2446
01:36:41,200 --> 01:36:44,760
and requests and and decisions as far as

2447
01:36:44,760 --> 01:36:46,840
those asks and requests go, so that

2448
01:36:46,840 --> 01:36:48,760
you'll be able to see what we were able

2449
01:36:48,760 --> 01:36:51,320
to say, okay, we've got to defer, no, we

2450
01:36:51,320 --> 01:36:53,680
can't, all the reasons. We're going to

2451
01:36:53,680 --> 01:36:55,280
provide you with as much information as

2452
01:36:55,280 --> 01:36:58,720
possible as we make these decisions.

2453
01:36:58,720 --> 01:37:02,270
Anyone else?

2454
01:37:02,280 --> 01:37:03,960
Okay. Just have a question.

2455
01:37:03,960 --> 01:37:05,960
>> Okay. You know, in when you adopt a

2456
01:37:05,960 --> 01:37:08,520
tentative budget like this,

2457
01:37:08,520 --> 01:37:11,240
I mean, there are the items um, if

2458
01:37:11,240 --> 01:37:12,600
you're deciding you're going to do a

2459
01:37:12,600 --> 01:37:15,480
truth in taxation, okay, which we're

2460
01:37:15,480 --> 01:37:16,880
pretty much saying we're going to do

2461
01:37:16,880 --> 01:37:19,680
truth in taxation, so we can do this if

2462
01:37:19,680 --> 01:37:21,520
that I mean, I shouldn't say we're

2463
01:37:21,520 --> 01:37:23,000
saying we're going to, we're talking

2464
01:37:23,000 --> 01:37:24,400
about it.

2465
01:37:24,400 --> 01:37:25,560
Um,

2466
01:37:25,560 --> 01:37:28,440
can you also include such that

2467
01:37:28,440 --> 01:37:31,040
come July 1st, because you don't

2468
01:37:31,040 --> 01:37:33,280
technically have a budget yet, that you

2469
01:37:33,280 --> 01:37:34,840
have a tentative budget, but you don't

2470
01:37:34,840 --> 01:37:36,920
have a final budget,

2471
01:37:36,920 --> 01:37:39,320
can you say

2472
01:37:39,320 --> 01:37:42,600
go ahead and start the employee portions

2473
01:37:42,600 --> 01:37:45,480
of it, which would be the cola

2474
01:37:45,480 --> 01:37:47,040
and maybe the merits for those who

2475
01:37:47,040 --> 01:37:49,520
deserve it, but hold off on all the

2476
01:37:49,520 --> 01:37:50,960
other things

2477
01:37:50,960 --> 01:37:52,280
before

2478
01:37:52,280 --> 01:37:56,390
the tax increase is done.

2479
01:37:56,400 --> 01:37:58,000
Yes, so that's actually one of the new

2480
01:37:58,000 --> 01:37:59,720
requirements as well is that we have to

2481
01:37:59,720 --> 01:38:02,360
prepare an interim budget which keeps

2482
01:38:02,360 --> 01:38:04,520
the property tax increase in its own

2483
01:38:04,520 --> 01:38:06,760
separate fund and that money's those

2484
01:38:06,760 --> 01:38:09,120
money's won't be spent until

2485
01:38:09,120 --> 01:38:12,200
or if they're approved in August. So the

2486
01:38:12,200 --> 01:38:14,280
Cola and merit, I mean we haven't

2487
01:38:14,280 --> 01:38:15,880
discussed that but probably won't go

2488
01:38:15,880 --> 01:38:17,600
into effect until August and then we

2489
01:38:17,600 --> 01:38:18,760
would just

2490
01:38:18,760 --> 01:38:20,880
um back pay and pro rate those amounts

2491
01:38:20,880 --> 01:38:23,840
from July 1. Okay. Yeah, so the money's

2492
01:38:23,840 --> 01:38:25,000
won't be spent until they're

2493
01:38:25,000 --> 01:38:27,280
>> be spent until after. Until after it's

2494
01:38:27,280 --> 01:38:29,080
approved, yes. Okay.

2495
01:38:29,080 --> 01:38:30,880
Which is a which is the new law from

2496
01:38:30,880 --> 01:38:33,840
2026. So that it provides a little bit

2497
01:38:33,840 --> 01:38:37,280
more time to have clarity and make sure

2498
01:38:37,280 --> 01:38:39,520
that it is as transparent as possible,

2499
01:38:39,520 --> 01:38:41,000
so.

2500
01:38:41,000 --> 01:38:43,800
Okay, council members.

2501
01:38:43,800 --> 01:38:45,800
Any other comments? So what we would be

2502
01:38:45,800 --> 01:38:47,800
doing is taking action on this item and

2503
01:38:47,800 --> 01:38:49,840
then we would move towards to the next

2504
01:38:49,840 --> 01:38:53,720
item and there are five of them, I think

2505
01:38:53,720 --> 01:38:57,790
that are related to this.

2506
01:38:57,800 --> 01:39:00,280
So to remind you, this would be that the

2507
01:39:00,280 --> 01:39:03,120
tentative budget includes a proposed tax

2508
01:39:03,120 --> 01:39:05,000
increase with appropriate percentage

2509
01:39:05,000 --> 01:39:07,880
increase of 17.59

2510
01:39:07,880 --> 01:39:09,720
etc. etc. for these things that are

2511
01:39:09,720 --> 01:39:11,160
listed.

2512
01:39:11,160 --> 01:39:13,640
So here's the next question.

2513
01:39:13,640 --> 01:39:15,120
What if we don't approve the tentative

2514
01:39:15,120 --> 01:39:18,390
budget tonight?

2515
01:39:18,400 --> 01:39:20,440
Tell me what's the results of that. What

2516
01:39:20,440 --> 01:39:23,320
happens next? It's a good question.

2517
01:39:23,320 --> 01:39:24,680
I believe we would we would schedule

2518
01:39:24,680 --> 01:39:26,160
another meeting. Don't we have until the

2519
01:39:26,160 --> 01:39:30,400
15th? What is the last day?

2520
01:39:30,400 --> 01:39:33,880
Isn't it the first I thought it was the 8th. You had to

2521
01:39:33,880 --> 01:39:35,280
have it done by the 8th.

2522
01:39:35,280 --> 01:39:37,720
>> meeting but it had to be done in May.

2523
01:39:37,720 --> 01:39:39,640
Yeah, which would be the 8th. That gives

2524
01:39:39,640 --> 01:39:41,080
everybody a week.

2525
01:39:41,080 --> 01:39:42,000
>> Okay, so we'd have to have another

2526
01:39:42,000 --> 01:39:44,600
meeting tomorrow. I Okay. Okay. Yeah,

2527
01:39:44,600 --> 01:39:46,920
that's a great question. I I know the

2528
01:39:46,920 --> 01:39:48,920
old law was you have to have it approved

2529
01:39:48,920 --> 01:39:51,080
by our interpretation was always that by

2530
01:39:51,080 --> 01:39:53,520
the end of the month, by the end of May.

2531
01:39:53,520 --> 01:39:54,880
I know the new law says you got to

2532
01:39:54,880 --> 01:39:56,400
approve it at the first meeting, regular

2533
01:39:56,400 --> 01:39:57,480
meeting.

2534
01:39:57,480 --> 01:39:58,520
Or or by the end

2535
01:39:58,520 --> 01:40:00,760
>> But what I would suggest in this case is

2536
01:40:00,760 --> 01:40:03,000
that if the tentative budget is just

2537
01:40:03,000 --> 01:40:04,080
that,

2538
01:40:04,080 --> 01:40:06,520
we can we can have additional versions,

2539
01:40:06,520 --> 01:40:08,120
modified tentative budget, you know, if

2540
01:40:08,120 --> 01:40:09,800
we want to make further adjustments to

2541
01:40:09,800 --> 01:40:11,880
it, but I think

2542
01:40:11,880 --> 01:40:13,000
the important thing for the state is

2543
01:40:13,000 --> 01:40:14,640
that we make it clear from the beginning

2544
01:40:14,640 --> 01:40:16,360
like this is where we're going right

2545
01:40:16,360 --> 01:40:17,480
now. It doesn't mean anything it's not

2546
01:40:17,480 --> 01:40:21,040
going to change. Um but if for example,

2547
01:40:21,040 --> 01:40:22,400
we're looking at

2548
01:40:22,400 --> 01:40:23,720
a property tax increase through the

2549
01:40:23,720 --> 01:40:25,840
taxation, the the quicker we get that

2550
01:40:25,840 --> 01:40:27,720
out there, the the better. Like state

2551
01:40:27,720 --> 01:40:31,040
doesn't want obviously us to

2552
01:40:31,040 --> 01:40:33,160
not give enough time.

2553
01:40:33,160 --> 01:40:35,320
So, I if there are concerns with the

2554
01:40:35,320 --> 01:40:36,880
tentative budget, I think it would just

2555
01:40:36,880 --> 01:40:37,840
be all right, we're going to just do

2556
01:40:37,840 --> 01:40:40,800
this to get through it tonight um to

2557
01:40:40,800 --> 01:40:43,600
comply with state law, but

2558
01:40:43,600 --> 01:40:44,800
we're going to continue to look at this,

2559
01:40:44,800 --> 01:40:46,840
maybe modify it.

2560
01:40:46,840 --> 01:40:48,240
Um

2561
01:40:48,240 --> 01:40:50,600
Well, and and as I've said in the past,

2562
01:40:50,600 --> 01:40:51,760
I mean

2563
01:40:51,760 --> 01:40:52,880
um

2564
01:40:52,880 --> 01:40:55,760
I'm still not comfortable with the and

2565
01:40:55,760 --> 01:40:57,480
it's not just the tax increase, it's the

2566
01:40:57,480 --> 01:41:00,160
rate increase that's also part of it.

2567
01:41:00,160 --> 01:41:01,680
I know it's not a lot, but it does

2568
01:41:01,680 --> 01:41:04,360
double the cost of the monthly

2569
01:41:04,360 --> 01:41:06,440
bill to people.

2570
01:41:06,440 --> 01:41:08,640
Um I believe you showed a slide a minute

2571
01:41:08,640 --> 01:41:11,120
ago or little bit ago that showed the

2572
01:41:11,120 --> 01:41:12,880
total for the month.

2573
01:41:12,880 --> 01:41:15,720
$10 of it was the tax increase, but also

2574
01:41:15,720 --> 01:41:18,000
an additional $10 or so was the rate

2575
01:41:18,000 --> 01:41:19,400
increases,

2576
01:41:19,400 --> 01:41:20,320
which

2577
01:41:20,320 --> 01:41:22,360
even though we didn't get a tax increase

2578
01:41:22,360 --> 01:41:25,200
last year, we did get rate increases.

2579
01:41:25,200 --> 01:41:27,360
So, I'm still not comfortable with

2580
01:41:27,360 --> 01:41:29,600
rate increases yet. I know there has to

2581
01:41:29,600 --> 01:41:31,600
be some probably,

2582
01:41:31,600 --> 01:41:32,920
but

2583
01:41:32,920 --> 01:41:34,720
is there any way that we can adopt a

2584
01:41:34,720 --> 01:41:36,560
tentative budget

2585
01:41:36,560 --> 01:41:38,400
holding the rate increases without the

2586
01:41:38,400 --> 01:41:40,480
increases for now and talk about them

2587
01:41:40,480 --> 01:41:44,080
some more or would you more comfortable council

2588
01:41:44,080 --> 01:41:46,560
adopting it with the rate increases

2589
01:41:46,560 --> 01:41:49,440
and talking about it some more later

2590
01:41:49,440 --> 01:41:51,760
also. I will say two of the two of the

2591
01:41:51,760 --> 01:41:53,680
rate increases are passed through.

2592
01:41:53,680 --> 01:41:54,840
Right. So they are going to be

2593
01:41:54,840 --> 01:41:56,320
automatically

2594
01:41:56,320 --> 01:41:57,960
Okay. Because they were voted on by

2595
01:41:57,960 --> 01:42:00,240
other bodies and not Keeseville city.

2596
01:42:00,240 --> 01:42:01,640
Um

2597
01:42:01,640 --> 01:42:03,680
But but I don't know the answer to that

2598
01:42:03,680 --> 01:42:05,800
question. So Nick, what do you think or

2599
01:42:05,800 --> 01:42:08,080
Jason? I The state code I just put it up

2600
01:42:08,080 --> 01:42:10,360
on the screen.

2601
01:42:10,360 --> 01:42:25,030
Okay.

2602
01:42:25,040 --> 01:42:27,280
So it is still May.

2603
01:42:27,280 --> 01:42:29,200
Wait.

2604
01:42:29,200 --> 01:42:30,920
No, on or before the first scheduled

2605
01:42:30,920 --> 01:42:33,640
meeting in the last May

2606
01:42:33,640 --> 01:42:36,760
of the current period.

2607
01:42:36,760 --> 01:42:40,000
On that says it was effective 5 10 2016.

2608
01:42:40,000 --> 01:42:42,080
>> this is the old So that's the old one.

2609
01:42:42,080 --> 01:42:42,920
Yeah.

2610
01:42:42,920 --> 01:42:44,276
I wouldn't be there.

2611
01:42:44,276 --> 01:42:44,760
>> [clears throat]

2612
01:42:44,760 --> 01:42:48,320
>> Um while we're waiting on that

2613
01:42:48,320 --> 01:42:50,240
I I I think I misunderstood. So you said

2614
01:42:50,240 --> 01:42:52,840
the current budget does what to double

2615
01:42:52,840 --> 01:42:53,440
something?

2616
01:42:53,440 --> 01:42:54,960
>> No, no, no. I'm just saying let's go

2617
01:42:54,960 --> 01:42:56,640
back go back to the fees. Go back to

2618
01:42:56,640 --> 01:42:58,200
what it shows the monthly cost is. Can

2619
01:42:58,200 --> 01:42:59,760
you find that slide? Anybody

2620
01:42:59,760 --> 01:43:02,240
>> The slide that shows the rate increases.

2621
01:43:02,240 --> 01:43:08,070
total monthly cost.

2622
01:43:08,080 --> 01:43:09,800
Showed $10 for the gas.

2623
01:43:09,800 --> 01:43:11,080
>> that breakdown of the monthly.

2624
01:43:11,080 --> 01:43:12,600
>> It showed the breakdown of the monthly,

2625
01:43:12,600 --> 01:43:14,880
but bottom line is it's

2626
01:43:14,880 --> 01:43:18,600
$20 instead of 10, you know, which is

2627
01:43:18,600 --> 01:43:20,440
Uh we're close. We're real close. There

2628
01:43:20,440 --> 01:43:22,920
you go, $20. And so

2629
01:43:22,920 --> 01:43:25,560
that's why I say I I still like to

2630
01:43:25,560 --> 01:43:26,800
discuss them. I know there's some

2631
01:43:26,800 --> 01:43:28,480
pass-throughs and we don't have an

2632
01:43:28,480 --> 01:43:31,080
option on stuff like that. And and

2633
01:43:31,080 --> 01:43:33,080
they're not big amounts, but they add

2634
01:43:33,080 --> 01:43:36,000
up. And they are part of an increase

2635
01:43:36,000 --> 01:43:37,960
that we did last year because we did get

2636
01:43:37,960 --> 01:43:40,240
the rate increases last year.

2637
01:43:40,240 --> 01:43:42,280
Um we did not get the tax increase, but

2638
01:43:42,280 --> 01:43:43,720
we did get the rate increase.

2639
01:43:43,720 --> 01:43:45,920
>> Right. And I and I will say if we'd have

2640
01:43:45,920 --> 01:43:47,800
gotten the tax increase last year, it

2641
01:43:47,800 --> 01:43:52,000
was probably about 34% and

2642
01:43:52,000 --> 01:43:53,640
I don't know what a year's done, but

2643
01:43:53,640 --> 01:43:55,200
it's made it so we've gotten it down to

2644
01:43:55,200 --> 01:43:59,280
about 17% which is good.

2645
01:43:59,280 --> 01:44:01,120
I think we spent a lot of time on it, so

2646
01:44:01,120 --> 01:44:01,640
it's good.

2647
01:44:01,640 --> 01:44:04,520
>> Yeah, exactly. And we found ways to but

2648
01:44:04,520 --> 01:44:05,720
I still

2649
01:44:05,720 --> 01:44:08,440
would like to you know and if it's if

2650
01:44:08,440 --> 01:44:12,040
it's truly just a tentative budget and

2651
01:44:12,040 --> 01:44:14,440
we're going to talk about all these

2652
01:44:14,440 --> 01:44:16,760
then I'm not so concerned, but if I'm

2653
01:44:16,760 --> 01:44:17,680
like

2654
01:44:17,680 --> 01:44:19,560
adopting a tentative budget that also

2655
01:44:19,560 --> 01:44:22,280
includes rate increases

2656
01:44:22,280 --> 01:44:24,080
I'm not comfortable with that yet. Why

2657
01:44:24,080 --> 01:44:26,200
don't you make a motion that

2658
01:44:26,200 --> 01:44:29,200
emphasizes that?

2659
01:44:29,200 --> 01:44:30,840
Well, I want more discussion. I want to

2660
01:44:30,840 --> 01:44:33,320
hear what other people have to say.

2661
01:44:33,320 --> 01:44:36,080
I'm not ready for a Cuz we still have

2662
01:44:36,080 --> 01:44:38,560
Well, I just just because the next item

2663
01:44:38,560 --> 01:44:40,840
is statement of budget officer of the

2664
01:44:40,840 --> 01:44:43,080
tentative budget includes a proposed

2665
01:44:43,080 --> 01:44:45,680
property tax increase. The next one is

2666
01:44:45,680 --> 01:44:48,320
property tax impact schedule. The next

2667
01:44:48,320 --> 01:44:49,600
one is

2668
01:44:49,600 --> 01:44:53,160
um tax increase and tax impact schedule.

2669
01:44:53,160 --> 01:44:55,120
The next one is a public hearing and the

2670
01:44:55,120 --> 01:44:58,480
next one is consideration of revenues

2671
01:44:58,480 --> 01:45:00,120
and a date. So

2672
01:45:00,120 --> 01:45:02,720
I don't know where that falls into um

2673
01:45:02,720 --> 01:45:03,520
It'd be the first one.

2674
01:45:03,520 --> 01:45:05,480
>> into this one. I guess it would just be

2675
01:45:05,480 --> 01:45:06,800
the first one. Can you It'd be the first

2676
01:45:06,800 --> 01:45:06,960
one.

2677
01:45:06,960 --> 01:45:09,400
>> What do you guys think?

2678
01:45:09,400 --> 01:45:12,480
Any comments? Again, what if we don't?

2679
01:45:12,480 --> 01:45:13,840
What What if we What if we don't do

2680
01:45:13,840 --> 01:45:15,600
this?

2681
01:45:15,600 --> 01:45:17,520
If we don't include it

2682
01:45:17,520 --> 01:45:18,840
what's the ramifications of that?

2683
01:45:18,840 --> 01:45:20,360
Anything?

2684
01:45:20,360 --> 01:45:23,160
Um including the rate fee schedule?

2685
01:45:23,160 --> 01:45:25,600
Yeah. Well, just just there There items

2686
01:45:25,600 --> 01:45:27,600
that we that will automatically get

2687
01:45:27,600 --> 01:45:29,080
increased.

2688
01:45:29,080 --> 01:45:30,600
Even if we don't approve it, I think it

2689
01:45:30,600 --> 01:45:32,320
still gets increased. Am I correct

2690
01:45:32,320 --> 01:45:33,560
because the rates have already been set

2691
01:45:33,560 --> 01:45:35,960
by other entities? I mean, some of these

2692
01:45:35,960 --> 01:45:37,720
are yeah, for sure pass-through fees

2693
01:45:37,720 --> 01:45:39,800
that we can't control.

2694
01:45:39,800 --> 01:45:40,800
>> Um

2695
01:45:40,800 --> 01:45:42,440
Not that I want to pay them, but I don't

2696
01:45:42,440 --> 01:45:44,480
think we have a choice. I guess is my

2697
01:45:44,480 --> 01:45:46,480
question.

2698
01:45:46,480 --> 01:45:49,160
I mean, yeah, without Do you want to

2699
01:45:49,160 --> 01:45:51,360
speak to it?

2700
01:45:51,360 --> 01:45:53,560
I'm certainly not. I mean, you can your

2701
01:45:53,560 --> 01:45:56,360
council's free to do whatever they want.

2702
01:45:56,360 --> 01:45:57,840
This is a brand new law that's been

2703
01:45:57,840 --> 01:45:59,640
enacted this year.

2704
01:45:59,640 --> 01:46:01,720
So, candidly, I don't think I think a

2705
01:46:01,720 --> 01:46:03,200
lot of the municipalities around the

2706
01:46:03,200 --> 01:46:06,760
state are a little gun-shy because uh of

2707
01:46:06,760 --> 01:46:08,000
the strict [clears throat]

2708
01:46:08,000 --> 01:46:09,840
uh interpretation that the tax

2709
01:46:09,840 --> 01:46:11,920
commission took last year.

2710
01:46:11,920 --> 01:46:15,440
uh I think it was like 85

2711
01:46:15,440 --> 01:46:18,120
municipalities tried to enact truth in

2712
01:46:18,120 --> 01:46:20,600
taxation, did not We were one of them.

2713
01:46:20,600 --> 01:46:22,520
We did not meet technical requirements

2714
01:46:22,520 --> 01:46:23,760
of the law.

2715
01:46:23,760 --> 01:46:26,080
And, you know, probably rightfully so,

2716
01:46:26,080 --> 01:46:27,720
the tax commission didn't allow us to

2717
01:46:27,720 --> 01:46:29,720
impose that tax.

2718
01:46:29,720 --> 01:46:30,560
In the

2719
01:46:30,560 --> 01:46:32,160
between that time, we were just getting

2720
01:46:32,160 --> 01:46:35,320
used to that new law, and this uh

2721
01:46:35,320 --> 01:46:37,120
legislative session, they've revamped

2722
01:46:37,120 --> 01:46:38,520
the entire

2723
01:46:38,520 --> 01:46:40,560
uh well, not the entire, but large

2724
01:46:40,560 --> 01:46:43,000
portions of the tax.

2725
01:46:43,000 --> 01:46:44,280
Um

2726
01:46:44,280 --> 01:46:46,840
tonight, all that's happening is

2727
01:46:46,840 --> 01:46:48,960
you're adopting the tentative budget.

2728
01:46:48,960 --> 01:46:50,920
You're not committing to anything.

2729
01:46:50,920 --> 01:46:53,600
You're not committing to

2730
01:46:53,600 --> 01:46:55,280
I mean, really, you're kind of setting

2731
01:46:55,280 --> 01:46:58,240
the ceiling, basically. You're saying,

2732
01:46:58,240 --> 01:47:00,280
"We could go through with this, but this

2733
01:47:00,280 --> 01:47:01,880
is the ceiling of what we're going to

2734
01:47:01,880 --> 01:47:02,920
do."

2735
01:47:02,920 --> 01:47:05,040
And, it's been my experience that as

2736
01:47:05,040 --> 01:47:06,600
Kaysville City Council's always been

2737
01:47:06,600 --> 01:47:08,600
fiscally conservative and worked

2738
01:47:08,600 --> 01:47:10,800
diligently [clears throat] and long To

2739
01:47:10,800 --> 01:47:12,000
see if they can lower that ceiling.

2740
01:47:12,000 --> 01:47:17,480
>> lower that. Okay. Um I I haven't had enough time, candidly, to

2741
01:47:17,480 --> 01:47:18,920
answer this question, and this is a

2742
01:47:18,920 --> 01:47:21,480
complex question, and it's not an area

2743
01:47:21,480 --> 01:47:23,760
of law that I'm super

2744
01:47:23,760 --> 01:47:25,040
uh

2745
01:47:25,040 --> 01:47:26,440
I mean, I'm familiar with the tax law,

2746
01:47:26,440 --> 01:47:28,720
but it's not my forte. So, I would

2747
01:47:28,720 --> 01:47:30,840
caution you if you don't adopt it

2748
01:47:30,840 --> 01:47:33,480
tonight, I can't tell you legally what

2749
01:47:33,480 --> 01:47:36,720
exactly the ramifications would be.

2750
01:47:36,720 --> 01:47:42,000
Okay. I'm I'm not saying that you should do that necessarily. I

2751
01:47:42,000 --> 01:47:45,560
just can't advise you legally because

2752
01:47:45,560 --> 01:47:45,880
Okay.

2753
01:47:45,880 --> 01:47:47,040
>> I was under the impression we were

2754
01:47:47,040 --> 01:47:51,520
compliant last year as well. Well, and and we were as well. I guess I guess

2755
01:47:51,520 --> 01:47:54,640
the risk we run is we don't adopt it and

2756
01:47:54,640 --> 01:47:56,680
they say you didn't follow the rules, so

2757
01:47:56,680 --> 01:47:58,800
you're denied for a second year. That

2758
01:47:58,800 --> 01:48:00,920
could happen.

2759
01:48:00,920 --> 01:48:03,000
Or um

2760
01:48:03,000 --> 01:48:05,520
or not, I don't know. So, okay. Council

2761
01:48:05,520 --> 01:48:07,920
Member Jackson. Yeah, I I think we

2762
01:48:07,920 --> 01:48:11,600
should include this absolutely because

2763
01:48:11,600 --> 01:48:14,600
to be risk adverse here and

2764
01:48:14,600 --> 01:48:16,600
to me it's about transparency because

2765
01:48:16,600 --> 01:48:17,640
we're going to have many more

2766
01:48:17,640 --> 01:48:19,160
discussions. We're going to have another

2767
01:48:19,160 --> 01:48:21,920
budget meeting, public hearings, and it

2768
01:48:21,920 --> 01:48:23,880
really allows us in front of the public

2769
01:48:23,880 --> 01:48:26,400
to go through each line item and to go

2770
01:48:26,400 --> 01:48:29,520
back and say, "Okay, exactly why

2771
01:48:29,520 --> 01:48:31,000
uh does pressure irrigation need that

2772
01:48:31,000 --> 01:48:32,920
dollar? Or why does water need a dollar

2773
01:48:32,920 --> 01:48:35,120
63?" And so,

2774
01:48:35,120 --> 01:48:36,920
I think we should

2775
01:48:36,920 --> 01:48:40,000
just move forward, get this done,

2776
01:48:40,000 --> 01:48:42,640
um pass this tentative budget, and then

2777
01:48:42,640 --> 01:48:44,400
really continue to dig in like we did

2778
01:48:44,400 --> 01:48:46,640
this week earlier. So. Council Member

2779
01:48:46,640 --> 01:48:47,680
Hunt.

2780
01:48:47,680 --> 01:48:49,120
Thank you. Um

2781
01:48:49,120 --> 01:48:50,200
I

2782
01:48:50,200 --> 01:48:51,760
kind of like I said before, this is

2783
01:48:51,760 --> 01:48:53,640
tentative. I also did the math. If we're

2784
01:48:53,640 --> 01:48:55,640
not taking into account sanitation and

2785
01:48:55,640 --> 01:48:59,040
sewer, not that I love it, but it's not

2786
01:48:59,040 --> 01:49:02,480
a full $10. For just us, it's 534.

2787
01:49:02,480 --> 01:49:03,840
Um so, I just wanted to put that number

2788
01:49:03,840 --> 01:49:05,760
out there as potentially a more accurate

2789
01:49:05,760 --> 01:49:08,480
reflection of what we as a city

2790
01:49:08,480 --> 01:49:11,160
would actually be looking to possibly

2791
01:49:11,160 --> 01:49:14,360
change um or tentatively approve, but to

2792
01:49:14,360 --> 01:49:16,000
me tentative

2793
01:49:16,000 --> 01:49:17,680
uh I just think of it kind of as wet

2794
01:49:17,680 --> 01:49:19,080
clay, you know, and if you're like my

2795
01:49:19,080 --> 01:49:22,240
kids, you can still punch it flat. Like

2796
01:49:22,240 --> 01:49:23,880
you can go to town on it. So, I think we

2797
01:49:23,880 --> 01:49:27,320
can we can still shave off if we want um

2798
01:49:27,320 --> 01:49:28,560
and get this to where we want it. I

2799
01:49:28,560 --> 01:49:30,840
think approving it doesn't I think tire

2800
01:49:30,840 --> 01:49:32,880
hands in any ways, which is why kind of

2801
01:49:32,880 --> 01:49:34,160
like Councilmember Jackson was saying

2802
01:49:34,160 --> 01:49:35,560
feel comfortable

2803
01:49:35,560 --> 01:49:37,600
uh going through with this and and and

2804
01:49:37,600 --> 01:49:38,880
really going through each of those line

2805
01:49:38,880 --> 01:49:41,320
items again.

2806
01:49:41,320 --> 01:49:42,800
Thank you for your comments. Anyone

2807
01:49:42,800 --> 01:49:44,240
else?

2808
01:49:44,240 --> 01:49:45,800
Councilmember Adams. It's the only thing

2809
01:49:45,800 --> 01:49:47,410
that I mean

2810
01:49:47,410 --> 01:49:48,040
>> [clears throat]

2811
01:49:48,040 --> 01:49:50,560
>> Yeah, when I was uh

2812
01:49:50,560 --> 01:49:56,080
when I was young, my family didn't have We we rented VCRs.

2813
01:49:56,080 --> 01:49:57,480
I don't know if you guys remember

2814
01:49:57,480 --> 01:50:01,680
renting VCRs when you wanted to watch a video.

2815
01:50:01,680 --> 01:50:04,000
And so, we would go to the video store

2816
01:50:04,000 --> 01:50:05,960
and rent VCRs uh

2817
01:50:05,960 --> 01:50:08,280
and we'd have it for a few days and we

2818
01:50:08,280 --> 01:50:10,160
would just watch whatever tapes we

2819
01:50:10,160 --> 01:50:12,120
happen to have or

2820
01:50:12,120 --> 01:50:12,760
um

2821
01:50:12,760 --> 01:50:14,600
one time we got Beetlejuice and he said

2822
01:50:14,600 --> 01:50:16,360
the F-word and my dad took that thing

2823
01:50:16,360 --> 01:50:19,960
back so fast. So, um

2824
01:50:19,960 --> 01:50:22,160
we one of the tapes we had is this kind

2825
01:50:22,160 --> 01:50:24,280
of just a long story to explain my

2826
01:50:24,280 --> 01:50:26,400
point, but one of the tapes we owned was

2827
01:50:26,400 --> 01:50:28,760
this movie called Dave. I don't know if

2828
01:50:28,760 --> 01:50:30,800
any of you remember the movie Dave, but

2829
01:50:30,800 --> 01:50:32,880
I've watched it probably

2830
01:50:32,880 --> 01:50:34,880
250 times.

2831
01:50:34,880 --> 01:50:35,560
Um

2832
01:50:35,560 --> 01:50:38,320
and you know, there's this scene you

2833
01:50:38,320 --> 01:50:40,560
where the the character

2834
01:50:40,560 --> 01:50:42,960
uh Gene Kline is playing, he's

2835
01:50:42,960 --> 01:50:45,000
pretending to be the president and he's

2836
01:50:45,000 --> 01:50:48,240
wanting to save this uh bill that or

2837
01:50:48,240 --> 01:50:49,840
this funding for something that's

2838
01:50:49,840 --> 01:50:51,560
important to the

2839
01:50:51,560 --> 01:50:53,000
uh

2840
01:50:53,000 --> 01:50:55,120
what's kind of his wife. Anyway, weird

2841
01:50:55,120 --> 01:50:57,840
situation, but um

2842
01:50:57,840 --> 01:50:59,480
the guys say to him, "If you can cut

2843
01:50:59,480 --> 01:51:01,400
this amount out of the budget, then

2844
01:51:01,400 --> 01:51:03,640
we'll save that." And he invites his

2845
01:51:03,640 --> 01:51:05,880
friend the accountant over.

2846
01:51:05,880 --> 01:51:06,011
Uh

2847
01:51:06,011 --> 01:51:06,120
>> [snorts]

2848
01:51:06,120 --> 01:51:08,800
>> I think Richard Dreyfuss or somebody and

2849
01:51:08,800 --> 01:51:10,680
they work through it

2850
01:51:10,680 --> 01:51:13,280
all night and he figures out.

2851
01:51:13,280 --> 01:51:16,600
Um right now I feel a little bit like

2852
01:51:16,600 --> 01:51:19,160
Dave in that moment. I feel like the

2853
01:51:19,160 --> 01:51:20,840
night's just beginning

2854
01:51:20,840 --> 01:51:25,240
and I have some ideas in mind of how to

2855
01:51:25,240 --> 01:51:28,160
chisel this down a little bit further.

2856
01:51:28,160 --> 01:51:29,880
Last night we did a really good job. We

2857
01:51:29,880 --> 01:51:32,440
went from 31 to 21.

2858
01:51:32,440 --> 01:51:34,360
And so um

2859
01:51:34,360 --> 01:51:37,640
you know, that's just kind of uh

2860
01:51:37,640 --> 01:51:39,520
just a little bit of a foreshadowing of

2861
01:51:39,520 --> 01:51:41,760
where I sit right now, I guess, so that

2862
01:51:41,760 --> 01:51:44,440
everybody knows that um

2863
01:51:44,440 --> 01:51:47,440
that having watched Dave so many times

2864
01:51:47,440 --> 01:51:50,720
is having an impact on me. Um and some

2865
01:51:50,720 --> 01:51:52,560
things that have happened to me today

2866
01:51:52,560 --> 01:51:54,560
are helping me be me to be a little bit

2867
01:51:54,560 --> 01:51:56,960
more reflective, so

2868
01:51:56,960 --> 01:51:59,120
that's it, Mayor. Thanks. Thank you,

2869
01:51:59,120 --> 01:52:00,960
Council Member Adams. All right, are we

2870
01:52:00,960 --> 01:52:02,800
ready?

2871
01:52:02,800 --> 01:52:05,200
Okay. I just want to say I appreciate

2872
01:52:05,200 --> 01:52:07,582
the discussion from my council.

2873
01:52:07,582 --> 01:52:08,200
>> [laughter]

2874
01:52:08,200 --> 01:52:09,680
>> Thank you, Council Member Blackum.

2875
01:52:09,680 --> 01:52:11,920
Thanks. It's a great movie, too. Yes.

2876
01:52:11,920 --> 01:52:13,440
Okay.

2877
01:52:13,440 --> 01:52:15,080
I I I just want to be super clear cuz

2878
01:52:15,080 --> 01:52:16,600
I'm not sure if everybody in the room is

2879
01:52:16,600 --> 01:52:18,880
or not, but so this page it just the

2880
01:52:18,880 --> 01:52:21,240
$20.32

2881
01:52:21,240 --> 01:52:23,320
a month increase

2882
01:52:23,320 --> 01:52:26,480
um is is a 7.67%

2883
01:52:26,480 --> 01:52:29,440
increase per month. Um

2884
01:52:29,440 --> 01:52:31,000
so just

2885
01:52:31,000 --> 01:52:35,000
to be clear, 7.67% increase total.

2886
01:52:35,000 --> 01:52:37,750
Um

2887
01:52:37,760 --> 01:52:40,400
that's all. Okay, thank you. Which which

2888
01:52:40,400 --> 01:52:42,560
we still understand is impactful, so

2889
01:52:42,560 --> 01:52:43,800
don't don't think we're trying to

2890
01:52:43,800 --> 01:52:46,040
minimize any of these numbers. We're

2891
01:52:46,040 --> 01:52:47,600
just trying to be clear.

2892
01:52:47,600 --> 01:52:48,920
Okay, would someone like to make a

2893
01:52:48,920 --> 01:52:54,310
motion then on item A?

2894
01:52:54,320 --> 01:52:57,630
I'll try.

2895
01:52:57,640 --> 01:52:59,640
I will make a motion

2896
01:52:59,640 --> 01:53:01,920
that we

2897
01:53:01,920 --> 01:53:05,680
adopt the tentative budget with the

2898
01:53:05,680 --> 01:53:08,710
caveat

2899
01:53:08,720 --> 01:53:11,200
You have to do one resolution at a time.

2900
01:53:11,200 --> 01:53:12,920
Yes, right. Action item

2901
01:53:12,920 --> 01:53:14,440
>> Okay, but A say isn't it the tentative

2902
01:53:14,440 --> 01:53:15,800
budget?

2903
01:53:15,800 --> 01:53:17,320
You have to read it exactly as it's

2904
01:53:17,320 --> 01:53:22,510
stated.

2905
01:53:22,520 --> 01:53:26,560
E, it's not on E on mine. It's

2906
01:53:26,560 --> 01:53:28,600
Okay, so just if you'll just read A and

2907
01:53:28,600 --> 01:53:31,520
then add your caveat. The D that says a

2908
01:53:31,520 --> 01:53:34,320
resolution acknowledging the proposed

2909
01:53:34,320 --> 01:53:39,710
tax increase. Then what is A?

2910
01:53:39,720 --> 01:53:41,280
E is a notice. We just have to the new

2911
01:53:41,280 --> 01:53:46,600
law requires that each each letter has its own

2912
01:53:46,600 --> 01:53:47,160
vote.

2913
01:53:47,160 --> 01:53:48,720
>> I was just concerned cuz that's the one

2914
01:53:48,720 --> 01:53:51,000
that's got the actual numbers.

2915
01:53:51,000 --> 01:53:53,000
Yeah, so if you don't want to Well, we

2916
01:53:53,000 --> 01:53:55,840
haven't spoken to it yet. E anyway.

2917
01:53:55,840 --> 01:54:00,280
We're speaking to A, right?

2918
01:54:00,280 --> 01:54:02,080
Oh, no. A does have numbers. Okay, so if

2919
01:54:02,080 --> 01:54:03,480
you'll read it and then add your caveat

2920
01:54:03,480 --> 01:54:04,000
to that.

2921
01:54:04,000 --> 01:54:07,400
>> Well, the only reason I'm saying is cuz

2922
01:54:07,400 --> 01:54:08,560
E

2923
01:54:08,560 --> 01:54:10,800
is the adopting tentative budget and

2924
01:54:10,800 --> 01:54:14,160
property tax schedule impact. I thought

2925
01:54:14,160 --> 01:54:16,320
the A was adopting the

2926
01:54:16,320 --> 01:54:20,910
tentative entire budget.

2927
01:54:20,920 --> 01:54:23,520
in our

2928
01:54:23,520 --> 01:54:25,280
We don't know why the state makes these

2929
01:54:25,280 --> 01:54:27,600
laws. I don't either, especially since

2930
01:54:27,600 --> 01:54:29,400
that one's got the numbers and the other

2931
01:54:29,400 --> 01:54:31,440
one doesn't.

2932
01:54:31,440 --> 01:54:33,880
No, we're just we've done that. We're

2933
01:54:33,880 --> 01:54:35,000
moving

2934
01:54:35,000 --> 01:54:35,760
We're to

2935
01:54:35,760 --> 01:54:36,840
D at this point.

2936
01:54:36,840 --> 01:54:38,520
>> Wait, wait. We haven't We haven't voted

2937
01:54:38,520 --> 01:54:39,360
on any

2938
01:54:39,360 --> 01:54:40,880
to vote on those?

2939
01:54:40,880 --> 01:54:42,160
My note

2940
01:54:42,160 --> 01:54:44,880
Okay, my note says state law wants each

2941
01:54:44,880 --> 01:54:46,240
of these items to be addressed

2942
01:54:46,240 --> 01:54:48,080
individually, but we don't have to vote

2943
01:54:48,080 --> 01:54:50,640
on them. Okay, okay.

2944
01:54:50,640 --> 01:54:53,520
The ones you can vote is D, E, and

2945
01:54:53,520 --> 01:54:55,040
F.

2946
01:54:55,040 --> 01:54:56,280
Okay.

2947
01:54:56,280 --> 01:54:59,200
Sorry. Okay, that was confusing. I know.

2948
01:54:59,200 --> 01:55:00,120
Welcome

2949
01:55:00,120 --> 01:55:03,080
One was A A was a notice.

2950
01:55:03,080 --> 01:55:06,080
B was a statement. C was a presentation.

2951
01:55:06,080 --> 01:55:10,360
Okay, so Mike So Mike's motion is to

2952
01:55:10,360 --> 01:55:14,000
address which letter? D. D.

2953
01:55:14,000 --> 01:55:16,280
Okay. Uh I didn't make a motion. I'm

2954
01:55:16,280 --> 01:55:19,200
going to rethink cuz I was reading A.

2955
01:55:19,200 --> 01:55:20,809
So.

2956
01:55:20,809 --> 01:55:22,680
>> [sighs]

2957
01:55:22,680 --> 01:55:25,400
>> Okay, so we have to make a motion on D.

2958
01:55:25,400 --> 01:55:27,680
Do we have to make a motion on E?

2959
01:55:27,680 --> 01:55:29,040
And F.

2960
01:55:29,040 --> 01:55:33,550
But not A through C.

2961
01:55:33,560 --> 01:55:40,320
Okay.

2962
01:55:40,320 --> 01:55:52,150
Would anyone like to make a motion on D?

2963
01:55:52,160 --> 01:55:54,840
But D is not adoption. So, I feel really

2964
01:55:54,840 --> 01:55:58,560
stupid. What is D and what is E? E says

2965
01:55:58,560 --> 01:56:00,760
it's the adoption. And D is the

2966
01:56:00,760 --> 01:56:02,000
presentation.

2967
01:56:02,000 --> 01:56:04,200
>> You're acknowledging

2968
01:56:04,200 --> 01:56:07,120
the property tax increase.

2969
01:56:07,120 --> 01:56:08,800
You're just acknowledging there will be

2970
01:56:08,800 --> 01:56:10,560
a proper where will

2971
01:56:10,560 --> 01:56:12,080
We're looking at

2972
01:56:12,080 --> 01:56:12,680
>> proposed

2973
01:56:12,680 --> 01:56:15,040
>> Yeah, you're just reviewing that. Okay.

2974
01:56:15,040 --> 01:56:17,760
And that the impact schedule Marin

2975
01:56:17,760 --> 01:56:18,560
presented.

2976
01:56:18,560 --> 01:56:19,920
>> Okay.

2977
01:56:19,920 --> 01:56:22,240
I'll make a motion that we approve

2978
01:56:22,240 --> 01:56:24,360
item D, consideration of a resolution

2979
01:56:24,360 --> 01:56:26,000
acknowledging the proposed property tax

2980
01:56:26,000 --> 01:56:27,600
increase and property tax impact

2981
01:56:27,600 --> 01:56:28,720
schedule.

2982
01:56:28,720 --> 01:56:30,040
I'll second that.

2983
01:56:30,040 --> 01:56:32,360
Okay, we are on

2984
01:56:32,360 --> 01:56:36,680
Council member Blackham. Aye.

2985
01:56:36,680 --> 01:56:38,120
Nay.

2986
01:56:38,120 --> 01:56:40,120
Aye. Aye.

2987
01:56:40,120 --> 01:56:43,960
Okay, so now we are on item E. Right?

2988
01:56:43,960 --> 01:56:46,400
Yes. Consideration of a resolution

2989
01:56:46,400 --> 01:56:47,960
adopting the tentative budget and

2990
01:56:47,960 --> 01:56:50,400
property tax impact schedule and setting

2991
01:56:50,400 --> 01:56:51,960
a public hearing for the proposed

2992
01:56:51,960 --> 01:56:54,520
property tax increase.

2993
01:56:54,520 --> 01:56:56,560
Okay, this is the one I was actually

2994
01:56:56,560 --> 01:56:56,880
thinking.

2995
01:56:56,880 --> 01:56:59,920
>> Just for clarity, this item is going to

2996
01:56:59,920 --> 01:57:02,000
adopt

2997
01:57:02,000 --> 01:57:05,120
a form that shows how the tax impact and

2998
01:57:05,120 --> 01:57:07,640
Ms. Nelson can speak. This is going to

2999
01:57:07,640 --> 01:57:10,120
adopt the form that Ms. Nelson's

3000
01:57:10,120 --> 01:57:12,320
presented that's on the screen, I

3001
01:57:12,320 --> 01:57:13,400
believe.

3002
01:57:13,400 --> 01:57:14,920
It's going to adopt that form and it's

3003
01:57:14,920 --> 01:57:17,320
going to set a hearing date. That's what

3004
01:57:17,320 --> 01:57:21,640
this item is doing. Okay, but but how can we do that when we haven't

3005
01:57:21,640 --> 01:57:24,400
actually spoken or discussed our

3006
01:57:24,400 --> 01:57:26,600
tentative schedule yet cuz we haven't

3007
01:57:26,600 --> 01:57:28,040
agreed on anything yet.

3008
01:57:28,040 --> 01:57:31,360
>> This one can change. Right. Okay.

3009
01:57:31,360 --> 01:57:33,400
This one is a work in progress. Right.

3010
01:57:33,400 --> 01:57:35,720
Yes, these are all tentative tonight.

3011
01:57:35,720 --> 01:57:37,600
Okay.

3012
01:57:37,600 --> 01:57:39,120
I just wanted to be clear on what

3013
01:57:39,120 --> 01:57:40,400
because there was a little confusion on

3014
01:57:40,400 --> 01:57:40,920
D1

3015
01:57:40,920 --> 01:57:42,240
>> what this was doing.

3016
01:57:42,240 --> 01:57:45,320
Okay.

3017
01:57:45,320 --> 01:57:48,680
Any comments on this, anyone?

3018
01:57:48,680 --> 01:57:50,440
I'm sure we have questions cuz this is

3019
01:57:50,440 --> 01:57:53,120
confusing.

3020
01:57:53,120 --> 01:57:56,880
So this is item 6E.

3021
01:57:56,880 --> 01:57:58,840
Consideration of a resolution adopting

3022
01:57:58,840 --> 01:58:00,520
the tentative budget and property tax

3023
01:58:00,520 --> 01:58:02,280
impact schedule and setting a public

3024
01:58:02,280 --> 01:58:04,520
hearing for the proposed property tax

3025
01:58:04,520 --> 01:58:06,360
increase

3026
01:58:06,360 --> 01:58:09,160
if it happens.

3027
01:58:09,160 --> 01:58:12,990
Right? Okay.

3028
01:58:13,000 --> 01:58:18,790
Comments, questions, motion.

3029
01:58:18,800 --> 01:58:21,040
I'll make a motion that we approve item

3030
01:58:21,040 --> 01:58:22,920
E, consideration of a resolution

3031
01:58:22,920 --> 01:58:24,360
adopting the tentative budget and

3032
01:58:24,360 --> 01:58:26,520
property tax impact schedule and setting

3033
01:58:26,520 --> 01:58:28,480
a public hearing for the proposed

3034
01:58:28,480 --> 01:58:31,480
property tax increase. I'll second.

3035
01:58:31,480 --> 01:58:34,360
Okay, council member

3036
01:58:34,360 --> 01:58:36,040
Sorry.

3037
01:58:36,040 --> 01:58:37,920
McBride. Aye.

3038
01:58:37,920 --> 01:58:41,040
Nay. Aye. Aye. Nay.

3039
01:58:41,040 --> 01:58:44,160
Okay, motion carries

3040
01:58:44,160 --> 01:58:45,760
with a

3041
01:58:45,760 --> 01:58:47,840
three to two vote.

3042
01:58:47,840 --> 01:58:50,480
Okay, item F,

3043
01:58:50,480 --> 01:58:52,800
consideration of a resolution declaring

3044
01:58:52,800 --> 01:58:54,520
intent to increase property tax

3045
01:58:54,520 --> 01:58:56,920
revenues, setting a truth in taxation

3046
01:58:56,920 --> 01:58:59,000
hearing, and directing notice to the

3047
01:58:59,000 --> 01:59:00,760
county auditor and state commission. I

3048
01:59:00,760 --> 01:59:02,920
have a question about this. I do, too.

3049
01:59:02,920 --> 01:59:04,680
Since we're still having tentative

3050
01:59:04,680 --> 01:59:07,520
discussions, then how can we have a

3051
01:59:07,520 --> 01:59:09,600
resolution declaring that our intention

3052
01:59:09,600 --> 01:59:11,560
is to do this when we haven't decided?

3053
01:59:11,560 --> 01:59:13,840
Well, and So, this is

3054
01:59:13,840 --> 01:59:14,680
um

3055
01:59:14,680 --> 01:59:17,520
confusing in the law, but this is the

3056
01:59:17,520 --> 01:59:20,000
beginning phase that you have to

3057
01:59:20,000 --> 01:59:22,160
officially take action to say

3058
01:59:22,160 --> 01:59:24,320
not not that you are going to do truth

3059
01:59:24,320 --> 01:59:26,560
in taxation, not that you are going to

3060
01:59:26,560 --> 01:59:28,600
adopt that rate. All you're doing

3061
01:59:28,600 --> 01:59:30,560
tonight is you're saying this is what

3062
01:59:30,560 --> 01:59:32,800
we're going to consider. This is the the

3063
01:59:32,800 --> 01:59:34,200
ceiling again that we're going to

3064
01:59:34,200 --> 01:59:36,720
consider. And what we want to do tonight

3065
01:59:36,720 --> 01:59:38,280
as a council what you want to do tonight

3066
01:59:38,280 --> 01:59:41,080
as a council, if you adopt this, is you

3067
01:59:41,080 --> 01:59:43,200
want to set it for a public hearing so

3068
01:59:43,200 --> 01:59:45,840
that you can hear from the public.

3069
01:59:45,840 --> 01:59:48,080
That's all that we're doing. Regardless

3070
01:59:48,080 --> 01:59:49,520
of whether or not we hold truth in

3071
01:59:49,520 --> 01:59:51,600
taxation. One question, though. Yes. I'm

3072
01:59:51,600 --> 01:59:53,360
concerned, though, at the very last

3073
01:59:53,360 --> 01:59:55,080
sentence because I don't want the

3074
01:59:55,080 --> 01:59:57,320
notices the tax notices I don't they

3075
01:59:57,320 --> 01:59:58,960
have to get those prepared and send out

3076
01:59:58,960 --> 02:00:00,680
to people in

3077
02:00:00,680 --> 02:00:04,840
late July 1st of July. July 23rd 22nd.

3078
02:00:04,840 --> 02:00:07,000
We won't even know what that really is

3079
02:00:07,000 --> 02:00:08,920
until after the truth in taxation

3080
02:00:08,920 --> 02:00:11,200
hearing. So,

3081
02:00:11,200 --> 02:00:14,400
I'm nervous to set it at a high bar and

3082
02:00:14,400 --> 02:00:15,720
then that's what they're going to get on

3083
02:00:15,720 --> 02:00:18,120
their notices. So, is there any way

3084
02:00:18,120 --> 02:00:20,280
that, you know, since we've already

3085
02:00:20,280 --> 02:00:23,040
Yeah. done the budget, can we set a

3086
02:00:23,040 --> 02:00:26,600
lower bar for that? Can we say

3087
02:00:26,600 --> 02:00:28,760
10% or I don't know. I'm just trying to

3088
02:00:28,760 --> 02:00:30,520
say I don't I don't want the notice to

3089
02:00:30,520 --> 02:00:32,960
go out and be completely inaccurate with

3090
02:00:32,960 --> 02:00:33,600
what we're doing.

3091
02:00:33,600 --> 02:00:34,960
>> have to call that back.

3092
02:00:34,960 --> 02:00:37,080
>> Sorry. The amount that'll go on the

3093
02:00:37,080 --> 02:00:39,880
notice is what you approve on June 18th.

3094
02:00:39,880 --> 02:00:43,280
So, we still have a month plus work

3095
02:00:43,280 --> 02:00:45,720
to create more of like an interim

3096
02:00:45,720 --> 02:00:47,160
budget. That answers my

3097
02:00:47,160 --> 02:00:49,560
>> And then June 18th, whatever you approve

3098
02:00:49,560 --> 02:00:52,200
that, will go on the notice in July.

3099
02:00:52,200 --> 02:00:54,640
Thank you. June 18th. That's That makes

3100
02:00:54,640 --> 02:00:56,040
a lot more sense. These are all very

3101
02:00:56,040 --> 02:00:58,960
confusing because they sound very final

3102
02:00:58,960 --> 02:01:00,080
and in actuality [clears throat]

3103
02:01:00,080 --> 02:01:03,120
they're very preliminary. Okay. So. So

3104
02:01:03,120 --> 02:01:05,520
at by June 18th we should have an

3105
02:01:05,520 --> 02:01:07,400
amount. Yes.

3106
02:01:07,400 --> 02:01:10,720
And that amount will go out potentially

3107
02:01:10,720 --> 02:01:13,920
with our cover letter and our comments

3108
02:01:13,920 --> 02:01:15,320
from the county.

3109
02:01:15,320 --> 02:01:17,040
And then the statement of intent. Okay.

3110
02:01:17,040 --> 02:01:19,160
Let it be known that I do not like this

3111
02:01:19,160 --> 02:01:21,063
law.

3112
02:01:21,063 --> 02:01:21,320
>> [laughter]

3113
02:01:21,320 --> 02:01:21,920
>> I don't like this law.

3114
02:01:21,920 --> 02:01:23,400
>> Let it be known

3115
02:01:23,400 --> 02:01:25,320
that we also don't want

3116
02:01:25,320 --> 02:01:27,400
to do any kind of tax increase.

3117
02:01:27,400 --> 02:01:30,320
We all are in agreement on that, guys.

3118
02:01:30,320 --> 02:01:33,280
Okay. So would someone like to make a

3119
02:01:33,280 --> 02:01:34,520
motion on that?

3120
02:01:34,520 --> 02:01:35,600
>> Yep.

3121
02:01:35,600 --> 02:01:37,680
I'll make a motion

3122
02:01:37,680 --> 02:01:38,480
um

3123
02:01:38,480 --> 02:01:40,000
on

3124
02:01:40,000 --> 02:01:43,880
action items for the tentative budget uh

3125
02:01:43,880 --> 02:01:46,280
item F, consideration of a resolution

3126
02:01:46,280 --> 02:01:48,320
declaring intent to increase property

3127
02:01:48,320 --> 02:01:50,480
tax revenues, setting a truth in

3128
02:01:50,480 --> 02:01:52,960
taxation hearing and directing notice to

3129
02:01:52,960 --> 02:01:55,200
the county auditor and state

3130
02:01:55,200 --> 02:01:57,089
tax commission.

3131
02:01:57,089 --> 02:01:57,800
>> [clears throat]

3132
02:01:57,800 --> 02:01:59,880
>> I second that. Okay, thank you. We have

3133
02:01:59,880 --> 02:02:02,520
a motion and a second. Council Member

3134
02:02:02,520 --> 02:02:03,040
Adams.

3135
02:02:03,040 --> 02:02:04,120
>> Nay.

3136
02:02:04,120 --> 02:02:07,560
Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Okay, motion carries

3137
02:02:07,560 --> 02:02:09,400
4 to 1.

3138
02:02:09,400 --> 02:02:11,680
All right, item seven, other action

3139
02:02:11,680 --> 02:02:13,520
items. Approval of an a professional

3140
02:02:13,520 --> 02:02:15,600
services agreement for the designing and

3141
02:02:15,600 --> 02:02:17,480
consulting of a city cre- or a city

3142
02:02:17,480 --> 02:02:19,000
skate park.

3143
02:02:19,000 --> 02:02:22,270
Cole.

3144
02:02:22,280 --> 02:02:24,040
Thank you, Parker.

3145
02:02:24,040 --> 02:02:25,000
I was wondering why you were hanging

3146
02:02:25,000 --> 02:02:25,909
around. Yeah,

3147
02:02:25,909 --> 02:02:26,080
>> [laughter]

3148
02:02:26,080 --> 02:02:29,080
>> this is this is it. Yeah. One more, too.

3149
02:02:29,080 --> 02:02:30,720
And um

3150
02:02:30,720 --> 02:02:31,240
No, Jason

3151
02:02:31,240 --> 02:02:32,720
>> Mayor, can I request that Cole has to

3152
02:02:32,720 --> 02:02:35,480
give this whole presentation in a skater

3153
02:02:35,480 --> 02:02:37,200
voice? [laughter]

3154
02:02:37,200 --> 02:02:39,120
I don't even know what So, dude. Oh,

3155
02:02:39,120 --> 02:02:40,720
Jose, what's a skater voice? So, dude.

3156
02:02:40,720 --> 02:02:42,200
Grip one, right?

3157
02:02:42,200 --> 02:02:43,320
Uh this is as good as you're going to

3158
02:02:43,320 --> 02:02:45,400
get.

3159
02:02:45,400 --> 02:02:47,760
No, so this is uh yeah, hopefully in the

3160
02:02:47,760 --> 02:02:49,360
uh staff report you kind of I gave a

3161
02:02:49,360 --> 02:02:51,120
background and then kind of the process

3162
02:02:51,120 --> 02:02:53,120
that we went through in selecting this

3163
02:02:53,120 --> 02:02:55,640
design consulting uh work for the

3164
02:02:55,640 --> 02:02:59,280
uh skate park there at the proposing at

3165
02:02:59,280 --> 02:03:01,240
uh Barnes Park. Uh,

3166
02:03:01,240 --> 02:03:02,960
this is uh

3167
02:03:02,960 --> 02:03:04,920
this would require an amendment to the

3168
02:03:04,920 --> 02:03:08,960
current FY26 to utilize the uh $25,000

3169
02:03:08,960 --> 02:03:10,960
donation that we received about 8 to 10

3170
02:03:10,960 --> 02:03:13,040
years ago that's been sitting aside for

3171
02:03:13,040 --> 02:03:15,560
a skate park. So, this action item is a

3172
02:03:15,560 --> 02:03:17,080
approving

3173
02:03:17,080 --> 02:03:19,280
the contract with the Primary Concrete

3174
02:03:19,280 --> 02:03:21,960
to begin a design of the uh the skate

3175
02:03:21,960 --> 02:03:23,760
park using that uh

3176
02:03:23,760 --> 02:03:25,560
don- those donated funds.

3177
02:03:25,560 --> 02:03:27,920
Uh, the construction of the skate park

3178
02:03:27,920 --> 02:03:29,880
would be pending city council approval

3179
02:03:29,880 --> 02:03:33,120
in the upcoming FY27 budget. So, this

3180
02:03:33,120 --> 02:03:34,600
action item is simply the uh

3181
02:03:34,600 --> 02:03:36,120
professional services agreement for the

3182
02:03:36,120 --> 02:03:37,800
design and consulting.

3183
02:03:37,800 --> 02:03:39,320
Cole, will you give us a little context

3184
02:03:39,320 --> 02:03:41,000
and history as to why this is something

3185
02:03:41,000 --> 02:03:42,920
that we are considering? Thanks.

3186
02:03:42,920 --> 02:03:46,280
Um, so back in uh December uh there was

3187
02:03:46,280 --> 02:03:49,520
a uh DIY skate park that began showing

3188
02:03:49,520 --> 02:03:52,320
up at uh Trappers Field under a

3189
02:03:52,320 --> 02:03:54,760
pavilion. Trappers Field is an HOA uh

3190
02:03:54,760 --> 02:03:58,480
property that we inherited back in 2018.

3191
02:03:58,480 --> 02:04:00,360
The uh the skate elements began showing

3192
02:04:00,360 --> 02:04:03,760
up in in 2025 uh kind of

3193
02:04:03,760 --> 02:04:05,840
not a big deal, right? They're just

3194
02:04:05,840 --> 02:04:07,440
little things, uh but then towards

3195
02:04:07,440 --> 02:04:09,280
November, December

3196
02:04:09,280 --> 02:04:10,560
it started to become now we started

3197
02:04:10,560 --> 02:04:12,480
seeing some half-pipes and some other

3198
02:04:12,480 --> 02:04:14,320
stuff that was like, all right, this is

3199
02:04:14,320 --> 02:04:16,480
beyond the scope of just kids coming out

3200
02:04:16,480 --> 02:04:18,440
and um

3201
02:04:18,440 --> 02:04:20,600
just skating on underneath the pavilion.

3202
02:04:20,600 --> 02:04:22,240
And so, because of the agreement we have

3203
02:04:22,240 --> 02:04:23,960
with the uh

3204
02:04:23,960 --> 02:04:25,600
when we received the par- property from

3205
02:04:25,600 --> 02:04:27,360
the HOA, there was some stipulations in

3206
02:04:27,360 --> 02:04:28,640
the agreement that certain things

3207
02:04:28,640 --> 02:04:30,360
weren't allowed and a skate park was one

3208
02:04:30,360 --> 02:04:32,280
of those things that is not allowed on

3209
02:04:32,280 --> 02:04:33,720
that property.

3210
02:04:33,720 --> 02:04:36,680
So, we removed the skate park um

3211
02:04:36,680 --> 02:04:38,720
and the community came out

3212
02:04:38,720 --> 02:04:40,640
to, uh, voice that concern to the city

3213
02:04:40,640 --> 02:04:42,840
council back in December. Um, very

3214
02:04:42,840 --> 02:04:44,960
respectful, great dialogue with the

3215
02:04:44,960 --> 02:04:47,320
skating community. We had many, uh,

3216
02:04:47,320 --> 02:04:49,560
meetings with them afterwards.

3217
02:04:49,560 --> 02:04:51,160
And

3218
02:04:51,160 --> 02:04:52,760
kind of got the direction from the city

3219
02:04:52,760 --> 02:04:54,520
to pursue what this would look like if

3220
02:04:54,520 --> 02:04:56,320
the city was to build a skate park. And

3221
02:04:56,320 --> 02:04:58,960
so, we formed a, uh,

3222
02:04:58,960 --> 02:05:00,840
a committee that that was three two

3223
02:05:00,840 --> 02:05:03,160
staff members and three citizens, uh,

3224
02:05:03,160 --> 02:05:04,880
from the skate park community, uh,

3225
02:05:04,880 --> 02:05:06,560
formed the committee. We sent out an

3226
02:05:06,560 --> 02:05:08,040
RFQ, which is a request for

3227
02:05:08,040 --> 02:05:09,560
qualifications.

3228
02:05:09,560 --> 02:05:12,360
We received 11, uh, submittals of the

3229
02:05:12,360 --> 02:05:13,720
SOQs

3230
02:05:13,720 --> 02:05:15,920
for design consulting work on the skate

3231
02:05:15,920 --> 02:05:17,160
park.

3232
02:05:17,160 --> 02:05:19,160
That review committee narrowed those 11

3233
02:05:19,160 --> 02:05:21,680
consultants down to five. And then those

3234
02:05:21,680 --> 02:05:23,640
final five we actually did, uh,

3235
02:05:23,640 --> 02:05:26,600
interviews, uh, with that. And then

3236
02:05:26,600 --> 02:05:28,120
after those interviews were concluded,

3237
02:05:28,120 --> 02:05:30,760
the skate park committee reviewed all

3238
02:05:30,760 --> 02:05:33,560
the five that we interviewed. And based

3239
02:05:33,560 --> 02:05:36,000
on the size scope

3240
02:05:36,000 --> 02:05:38,560
of this project, um, all five were, of

3241
02:05:38,560 --> 02:05:39,600
course,

3242
02:05:39,600 --> 02:05:41,080
qualified to do the work. And so, it

3243
02:05:41,080 --> 02:05:42,920
boiled down to which, uh, contractor

3244
02:05:42,920 --> 02:05:45,000
design firm that we felt was best suited

3245
02:05:45,000 --> 02:05:45,880
to

3246
02:05:45,880 --> 02:05:48,200
hit what we want to hit with Kaysville.

3247
02:05:48,200 --> 02:05:49,000
You know, it's not going to be this

3248
02:05:49,000 --> 02:05:51,360
massive, uh, skate park you see down,

3249
02:05:51,360 --> 02:05:52,760
you know, St. George's

3250
02:05:52,760 --> 02:05:55,320
put a $10 million all wheels, uh,

3251
02:05:55,320 --> 02:05:57,960
skate park in. And so, It's awesome.

3252
02:05:57,960 --> 02:05:59,800
It's very awesome. It's very It's very

3253
02:05:59,800 --> 02:06:02,040
cool. And we're nowhere near that. Uh,

3254
02:06:02,040 --> 02:06:04,280
we know what we can do and the size of

3255
02:06:04,280 --> 02:06:06,760
the space we have. And so, 9.5? What's

3256
02:06:06,760 --> 02:06:08,200
that? 9.5?

3257
02:06:08,200 --> 02:06:10,200
for sure, yeah. That sounds good. Um,

3258
02:06:10,200 --> 02:06:11,320
no.

3259
02:06:11,320 --> 02:06:12,800
And so,

3260
02:06:12,800 --> 02:06:14,400
this, uh, Primary Concrete is the one

3261
02:06:14,400 --> 02:06:16,400
that we felt was the best

3262
02:06:16,400 --> 02:06:19,160
suited for the needs and kind of size

3263
02:06:19,160 --> 02:06:21,760
and scope that Kaysville wanted. And it

3264
02:06:21,760 --> 02:06:23,280
was really driven by

3265
02:06:23,280 --> 02:06:24,880
the three members of our skate park

3266
02:06:24,880 --> 02:06:28,280
board or committee that are skaters.

3267
02:06:28,280 --> 02:06:31,160
That this is who and we as staff also

3268
02:06:31,160 --> 02:06:33,560
concurred that this is a a good firm to

3269
02:06:33,560 --> 02:06:37,640
work with. And so this is their design

3270
02:06:37,640 --> 02:06:40,800
uh consultant fee, which uh max out caps

3271
02:06:40,800 --> 02:06:42,680
out at $25,000.

3272
02:06:42,680 --> 02:06:44,640
Um

3273
02:06:44,640 --> 02:06:45,640
there's the possibility that we won't

3274
02:06:45,640 --> 02:06:47,040
use all that. And if we don't use all

3275
02:06:47,040 --> 02:06:49,320
that, then whatever's left of that

3276
02:06:49,320 --> 02:06:50,680
balance would go into the actual

3277
02:06:50,680 --> 02:06:53,560
construction of the skate park. We're

3278
02:06:53,560 --> 02:06:55,080
projecting and anticipating the skate

3279
02:06:55,080 --> 02:06:57,080
park's going to cost roughly

3280
02:06:57,080 --> 02:06:59,200
about $450,000.

3281
02:06:59,200 --> 02:07:00,680
Um we've requested in the upcoming

3282
02:07:00,680 --> 02:07:02,440
budget ramp. Um

3283
02:07:02,440 --> 02:07:04,600
the ramp committee met on Tuesday night

3284
02:07:04,600 --> 02:07:06,760
and uh is recommending forwarding to the

3285
02:07:06,760 --> 02:07:10,760
council $150,000 in ramp. And then we've

3286
02:07:10,760 --> 02:07:13,360
asked or requested $300,000 in our park

3287
02:07:13,360 --> 02:07:16,400
impact fees uh for the skate park. Uh

3288
02:07:16,400 --> 02:07:18,080
park impact fees are restricted

3289
02:07:18,080 --> 02:07:20,120
specifically to either new park

3290
02:07:20,120 --> 02:07:21,680
construction or

3291
02:07:21,680 --> 02:07:24,080
park amenities that are new. Uh so it is

3292
02:07:24,080 --> 02:07:26,120
a restricted fund. It's not general fund

3293
02:07:26,120 --> 02:07:28,880
uh dollars. It is uh park impact fee uh

3294
02:07:28,880 --> 02:07:31,240
funds. And so that's kind of where we

3295
02:07:31,240 --> 02:07:34,120
are today is approving this uh agreement

3296
02:07:34,120 --> 02:07:37,120
to begin the design and hopefully to uh

3297
02:07:37,120 --> 02:07:38,880
begin constructing, you know, pending

3298
02:07:38,880 --> 02:07:41,240
city council budget approvals uh in

3299
02:07:41,240 --> 02:07:42,200
FY27.

3300
02:07:42,200 --> 02:07:43,760
>> Well, and you alluded to the fact that

3301
02:07:43,760 --> 02:07:46,040
um so about 10 years ago Christian

3302
02:07:46,040 --> 02:07:49,560
Nelson donated $25,000 for to the city

3303
02:07:49,560 --> 02:07:50,720
for a skate park.

3304
02:07:50,720 --> 02:07:52,880
>> Skate park. Um since that time the city

3305
02:07:52,880 --> 02:07:54,840
has been holding those funds waiting for

3306
02:07:54,840 --> 02:07:57,920
the opportunity to have a need for or an

3307
02:07:57,920 --> 02:07:59,360
ask for something like this.

3308
02:07:59,360 --> 02:08:01,800
>> Yes. So this is not tax money that's

3309
02:08:01,800 --> 02:08:04,320
being used for this design element. And

3310
02:08:04,320 --> 02:08:06,720
it's also not tax me tax money being

3311
02:08:06,720 --> 02:08:08,280
used for for a design should it go

3312
02:08:08,280 --> 02:08:09,400
forward.

3313
02:08:09,400 --> 02:08:11,240
That It's It's impact

3314
02:08:11,240 --> 02:08:12,840
Will Will the ramp fund Ramp is a is a

3315
02:08:12,840 --> 02:08:14,200
tax but it's but it's a

3316
02:08:14,200 --> 02:08:17,120
>> But it's specific for recreation arts,

3317
02:08:17,120 --> 02:08:19,040
museums, and parks, right? Yeah.

3318
02:08:19,040 --> 02:08:20,880
>> So it's not included in a tax increase,

3319
02:08:20,880 --> 02:08:22,120
I guess, is what I want to say.

3320
02:08:22,120 --> 02:08:22,600
>> Correct.

3321
02:08:22,600 --> 02:08:25,040
>> Okay. So I just want to

3322
02:08:25,040 --> 02:08:26,680
bring in some comments and I wished I

3323
02:08:26,680 --> 02:08:28,960
wished all of a lot of the projects in

3324
02:08:28,960 --> 02:08:31,640
Kaysville City went this way because

3325
02:08:31,640 --> 02:08:33,480
this community they didn't just come

3326
02:08:33,480 --> 02:08:35,400
here this year. This community came 10

3327
02:08:35,400 --> 02:08:38,000
years ago and donated but before that

3328
02:08:38,000 --> 02:08:39,880
they came and tried to get it the city

3329
02:08:39,880 --> 02:08:42,760
to do something down at Gailey Park.

3330
02:08:42,760 --> 02:08:44,720
Tried to get them to do some where the

3331
02:08:44,720 --> 02:08:47,280
old shop used to be over there and tried

3332
02:08:47,280 --> 02:08:49,840
so it's not like this is a one-time

3333
02:08:49,840 --> 02:08:51,400
first-time ask. They've been very

3334
02:08:51,400 --> 02:08:53,200
patient with Kaysville and Kaysville's

3335
02:08:53,200 --> 02:08:55,520
kind of put them off. I would And and in

3336
02:08:55,520 --> 02:08:56,800
reality

3337
02:08:56,800 --> 02:08:58,600
when you saw

3338
02:08:58,600 --> 02:09:00,720
when we were told about this uh

3339
02:09:00,720 --> 02:09:04,880
DIY Mhm. I think we all visited. I know I went

3340
02:09:04,880 --> 02:09:07,160
down there. I could not believe the kids

3341
02:09:07,160 --> 02:09:09,080
down there that were going there after

3342
02:09:09,080 --> 02:09:11,680
school and playing and so it's very

3343
02:09:11,680 --> 02:09:13,240
obvious that there's a need for it but

3344
02:09:13,240 --> 02:09:15,400
the great thing about this is we have an

3345
02:09:15,400 --> 02:09:18,080
existing park that has a bathroom

3346
02:09:18,080 --> 02:09:22,000
already right there in the area. Um so

3347
02:09:22,000 --> 02:09:24,080
we're not looking at having to redo

3348
02:09:24,080 --> 02:09:25,600
everything. We don't have to redo

3349
02:09:25,600 --> 02:09:27,280
parking lots. We don't have to think we

3350
02:09:27,280 --> 02:09:29,400
can do this in progression. We don't

3351
02:09:29,400 --> 02:09:31,640
have to do it all at once. Looks like we

3352
02:09:31,640 --> 02:09:34,320
get to do it in stages if we need to. I

3353
02:09:34,320 --> 02:09:35,360
mean

3354
02:09:35,360 --> 02:09:38,880
and and with that ramp tax um that we

3355
02:09:38,880 --> 02:09:42,480
added about five years ago four four

3356
02:09:42,480 --> 02:09:44,320
years ago

3357
02:09:44,320 --> 02:09:45,840
to be able to use it for things like

3358
02:09:45,840 --> 02:09:47,320
this the community to see where their

3359
02:09:47,320 --> 02:09:49,000
dollars are going like that and to

3360
02:09:49,000 --> 02:09:53,240
actually be able to do something for that community

3361
02:09:53,240 --> 02:09:54,760
instead of keep putting them off. I mean

3362
02:09:54,760 --> 02:10:00,280
cuz realistically when you look at the rec center or you look at our junior

3363
02:10:00,280 --> 02:10:02,280
jazz programs it's not really doing

3364
02:10:02,280 --> 02:10:03,960
anything for them and there's a lot of

3365
02:10:03,960 --> 02:10:06,400
these skaters who really would like to

3366
02:10:06,400 --> 02:10:08,680
have something and and it you they used

3367
02:10:08,680 --> 02:10:11,560
to get a real bad genre of where of you

3368
02:10:11,560 --> 02:10:12,880
know they're going to graffiti or

3369
02:10:12,880 --> 02:10:15,320
they're not but these are awesome kids

3370
02:10:15,320 --> 02:10:17,000
that are really just trying to learn

3371
02:10:17,000 --> 02:10:18,480
their sport and they just want some

3372
02:10:18,480 --> 02:10:19,560
place to do it where they don't have to

3373
02:10:19,560 --> 02:10:21,880
drive all over the place to do it or

3374
02:10:21,880 --> 02:10:23,520
parents don't aren't so worried about

3375
02:10:23,520 --> 02:10:25,160
them, and they can let them go over and

3376
02:10:25,160 --> 02:10:27,480
do that. And I just think this is an

3377
02:10:27,480 --> 02:10:29,040
awesome project.

3378
02:10:29,040 --> 02:10:30,320
>> One of the other cool things, too, is

3379
02:10:30,320 --> 02:10:32,680
it's not just kids. It's actually it's

3380
02:10:32,680 --> 02:10:35,320
adults that are very passionate about

3381
02:10:35,320 --> 02:10:38,960
this skate. And so I I 100% agree with

3382
02:10:38,960 --> 02:10:40,720
you, Council Member Block. Well, and I

3383
02:10:40,720 --> 02:10:42,840
appreciate you mentioning

3384
02:10:42,840 --> 02:10:45,000
the stigma that used to be with skaters.

3385
02:10:45,000 --> 02:10:47,120
These are quality, wonderful people that

3386
02:10:47,120 --> 02:10:49,160
live in our community that like to

3387
02:10:49,160 --> 02:10:51,160
skateboard. And it is a professional

3388
02:10:51,160 --> 02:10:53,440
sport. Very true. And I think they get a

3389
02:10:53,440 --> 02:10:54,960
bad rap a lot of times because they're

3390
02:10:54,960 --> 02:10:57,120
skating on elements that aren't designed

3391
02:10:57,120 --> 02:10:59,240
for a skate park. Like here at City

3392
02:10:59,240 --> 02:11:01,200
Hall, using our stairs out front to do

3393
02:11:01,200 --> 02:11:03,240
jumps and things like that. So they do

3394
02:11:03,240 --> 02:11:05,520
get a bad rap because we haven't had

3395
02:11:05,520 --> 02:11:07,600
anything in Kaysville to offer

3396
02:11:07,600 --> 02:11:09,680
this this group to actually go out and

3397
02:11:09,680 --> 02:11:11,680
skate and have fun. And you know, one of

3398
02:11:11,680 --> 02:11:13,840
the cool things about the DIY, I admit

3399
02:11:13,840 --> 02:11:15,480
it was a cool thing,

3400
02:11:15,480 --> 02:11:18,440
was to see just the uh

3401
02:11:18,440 --> 02:11:20,080
the camaraderie and the togetherness,

3402
02:11:20,080 --> 02:11:21,960
even adults, kids.

3403
02:11:21,960 --> 02:11:23,800
And so the the plan is this, even though

3404
02:11:23,800 --> 02:11:25,080
it's a skate park, it's actually going

3405
02:11:25,080 --> 02:11:26,880
to be, you know, more for

3406
02:11:26,880 --> 02:11:28,920
skateboards,

3407
02:11:28,920 --> 02:11:30,120
you know,

3408
02:11:30,120 --> 02:11:31,880
I'm forgetting the term.

3409
02:11:31,880 --> 02:11:34,360
Scooters, scooters, stuff like that. So

3410
02:11:34,360 --> 02:11:35,480
it's going to be

3411
02:11:35,480 --> 02:11:37,720
well-rounded for all all, you know,

3412
02:11:37,720 --> 02:11:40,000
cycle type sports. Well, and it'll be in

3413
02:11:40,000 --> 02:11:42,000
an open area so that people can go and

3414
02:11:42,000 --> 02:11:44,160
watch and participate, and it's not just

3415
02:11:44,160 --> 02:11:45,840
some secluded area where people are

3416
02:11:45,840 --> 02:11:47,960
going to go crazy and and be

3417
02:11:47,960 --> 02:11:49,680
destructive. It'll be on the northwest

3418
02:11:49,680 --> 02:11:51,440
section of Barnes Park, kind of where

3419
02:11:51,440 --> 02:11:53,840
Sportsplex Drive makes the

3420
02:11:53,840 --> 02:11:56,000
turn to head north towards the Catalyst.

3421
02:11:56,000 --> 02:11:57,320
But right there in a kind of a flat area

3422
02:11:57,320 --> 02:12:00,240
we have. So yeah, there's no utility

3423
02:12:00,240 --> 02:12:01,760
things we have to worry about. We have a

3424
02:12:01,760 --> 02:12:03,840
parking lot, we have a restroom.

3425
02:12:03,840 --> 02:12:06,240
Just be some concrete sidewalks, road

3426
02:12:06,240 --> 02:12:09,640
base. I echo Josh on the road base pile.

3427
02:12:09,640 --> 02:12:11,360
That's something that we

3428
02:12:11,360 --> 02:12:12,520
use all the time, and it's something

3429
02:12:12,520 --> 02:12:14,320
that we'll use for this project to help

3430
02:12:14,320 --> 02:12:16,720
with costs. We don't have to supply road

3431
02:12:16,720 --> 02:12:18,760
base because we have the big stock pile

3432
02:12:18,760 --> 02:12:21,280
that's been utilized over years, so.

3433
02:12:21,280 --> 02:12:21,600
Thank you.

3434
02:12:21,600 --> 02:12:23,120
>> Anyway, that's the history of it, so.

3435
02:12:23,120 --> 02:12:25,120
Thanks. Any comments, Council? Yes,

3436
02:12:25,120 --> 02:12:27,120
Council member Hunt, yes. Um just one

3437
02:12:27,120 --> 02:12:28,680
quick question, Cole. Uh

3438
02:12:28,680 --> 02:12:30,400
this $25,000, I understand that it was

3439
02:12:30,400 --> 02:12:32,360
donated. Uh if we go through and have

3440
02:12:32,360 --> 02:12:34,280
this design done and then for whatever

3441
02:12:34,280 --> 02:12:36,040
reason, say this doesn't get approved on

3442
02:12:36,040 --> 02:12:38,160
the budget, how long do those plans last

3443
02:12:38,160 --> 02:12:40,080
for? Like, does it expire? No, those

3444
02:12:40,080 --> 02:12:42,960
plans will last for quite a while. Okay.

3445
02:12:42,960 --> 02:12:47,760
So, at least a year or two. Okay. And I'm not saying I don't like it. I

3446
02:12:47,760 --> 02:12:50,040
just wanted to double-check. Um

3447
02:12:50,040 --> 02:12:52,240
yeah, I want also want to cancel or echo

3448
02:12:52,240 --> 02:12:54,000
Council member Blackham said just that I

3449
02:12:54,000 --> 02:12:55,280
mean, this community has been so great

3450
02:12:55,280 --> 02:12:56,960
to work with. They've been so polite, so

3451
02:12:56,960 --> 02:12:58,680
pleasant. They came out like the fact

3452
02:12:58,680 --> 02:13:01,200
that they did the DIY thing like they

3453
02:13:01,200 --> 02:13:03,880
didn't even ask first, which goes both

3454
02:13:03,880 --> 02:13:06,000
ways. But but they they they took the

3455
02:13:06,000 --> 02:13:07,480
initiative like to do something they

3456
02:13:07,480 --> 02:13:13,000
were passionate about and and that's exciting to see in residents and as I'm always harping on like our

3457
02:13:13,000 --> 02:13:14,320
kids need opportunities to do

3458
02:13:14,320 --> 02:13:15,960
recreations so they don't blow toilets

3459
02:13:15,960 --> 02:13:17,560
and stuff, so. That would be awesome.

3460
02:13:17,560 --> 02:13:18,800
Well, and I just want to add when the

3461
02:13:18,800 --> 02:13:20,880
city said we have to shut this down

3462
02:13:20,880 --> 02:13:23,040
because it was not professionally

3463
02:13:23,040 --> 02:13:26,120
installed, they were very good about how

3464
02:13:26,120 --> 02:13:28,360
they received that. They were also They

3465
02:13:28,360 --> 02:13:30,280
were very respectful and and they're not

3466
02:13:30,280 --> 02:13:31,840
using it right now and they're sad and

3467
02:13:31,840 --> 02:13:33,960
they're waiting, so. Anyway, okay, any

3468
02:13:33,960 --> 02:13:36,760
other comments, anyone?

3469
02:13:36,760 --> 02:13:39,080
I'll make a motion to approve uh action

3470
02:13:39,080 --> 02:13:41,200
item A

3471
02:13:41,200 --> 02:13:43,520
7A, sorry.

3472
02:13:43,520 --> 02:13:46,880
I'll second. Okay, um Council member

3473
02:13:46,880 --> 02:13:51,480
Hunt. I. I. I. I.

3474
02:13:51,480 --> 02:13:54,760
Okay, motion carries. Thank you.

3475
02:13:54,760 --> 02:13:57,400
Action item 7B, an ordinance amending

3476
02:13:57,400 --> 02:14:00,040
various sections of title 17 of the

3477
02:14:00,040 --> 02:14:02,120
Kaysville City Code to comply with

3478
02:14:02,120 --> 02:14:05,280
Senate Bill 179 titled Local Regulation

3479
02:14:05,280 --> 02:14:07,360
of Business Entity Amendments. We do

3480
02:14:07,360 --> 02:14:08,640
have someone

3481
02:14:08,640 --> 02:14:12,000
I believe signed to speak to this. Let

3482
02:14:12,000 --> 02:14:14,400
me just double check.

3483
02:14:14,400 --> 02:14:15,800
Um

3484
02:14:15,800 --> 02:14:18,880
I think we do. Yes, um

3485
02:14:18,880 --> 02:14:21,520
Doug Judge. So, as soon as um Melinda

3486
02:14:21,520 --> 02:14:24,080
presents it, then we'll invite you up to

3487
02:14:24,080 --> 02:14:26,870
speak. Thank you.

3488
02:14:26,880 --> 02:14:29,520
Mayor, Council, thank you for being here

3489
02:14:29,520 --> 02:14:30,800
this evening.

3490
02:14:30,800 --> 02:14:33,280
This is before you

3491
02:14:33,280 --> 02:14:36,480
um as another legislative item that came

3492
02:14:36,480 --> 02:14:38,080
out of the

3493
02:14:38,080 --> 02:14:41,120
um actually 2025 session,

3494
02:14:41,120 --> 02:14:42,680
and

3495
02:14:42,680 --> 02:14:45,200
um so, we are attempting here to be

3496
02:14:45,200 --> 02:14:48,000
compliant with state law that

3497
02:14:48,000 --> 02:14:52,280
created a new requirement for cities to

3498
02:14:52,280 --> 02:14:53,600
have

3499
02:14:53,600 --> 02:14:55,760
I guess kind of a work around for

3500
02:14:55,760 --> 02:14:58,280
permitted uses. So, I was just going to

3501
02:14:58,280 --> 02:14:59,960
go over um

3502
02:14:59,960 --> 02:15:03,720
the different sections that um

3503
02:15:03,720 --> 02:15:06,400
are being amended in our land use code,

3504
02:15:06,400 --> 02:15:08,440
as well as the new section that we're

3505
02:15:08,440 --> 02:15:11,360
proposing for that amendment.

3506
02:15:11,360 --> 02:15:15,560
Um first here, uh in 17-3-1,

3507
02:15:15,560 --> 02:15:17,200
we just wanted to clarify that the

3508
02:15:17,200 --> 02:15:19,200
zoning administrator

3509
02:15:19,200 --> 02:15:21,920
um is the community development director

3510
02:15:21,920 --> 02:15:23,840
or their designee.

3511
02:15:23,840 --> 02:15:26,360
And um uh that just gives some clarity.

3512
02:15:26,360 --> 02:15:29,400
The city does not have the title uh of a

3513
02:15:29,400 --> 02:15:31,160
zoning administrator or a staff member

3514
02:15:31,160 --> 02:15:34,240
with that title. So, that just clarifies

3515
02:15:34,240 --> 02:15:37,000
the role that um

3516
02:15:37,000 --> 02:15:39,280
that serves to make a determination in

3517
02:15:39,280 --> 02:15:41,960
this um Hey, Melinda. Yes, sorry to

3518
02:15:41,960 --> 02:15:43,840
interrupt. I had a question as we were

3519
02:15:43,840 --> 02:15:45,560
going through this. I don't And I'll be

3520
02:15:45,560 --> 02:15:47,320
quick. Was the zoning administrator, is

3521
02:15:47,320 --> 02:15:48,480
that anywhere else in the code, or is

3522
02:15:48,480 --> 02:15:50,400
that created right here?

3523
02:15:50,400 --> 02:15:52,800
Uh so,

3524
02:15:52,800 --> 02:15:55,960
it is um

3525
02:15:55,960 --> 02:15:59,320
already in code. The black just shows

3526
02:15:59,320 --> 02:16:01,320
that there is hereby created the

3527
02:16:01,320 --> 02:16:03,520
position of the zoning administrator.

3528
02:16:03,520 --> 02:16:04,720
Um

3529
02:16:04,720 --> 02:16:08,760
I believe that effectively, when um Dan

3530
02:16:08,760 --> 02:16:10,840
was working here, that was his title,

3531
02:16:10,840 --> 02:16:13,200
but it's really frankly an antiquated

3532
02:16:13,200 --> 02:16:16,000
and outdated title. Um that actually

3533
02:16:16,000 --> 02:16:18,240
came up, I think, based on uh Ludman

3534
02:16:18,240 --> 02:16:19,960
state code, that basically you have to

3535
02:16:19,960 --> 02:16:22,320
have a zoning administrator. And anyone

3536
02:16:22,320 --> 02:16:25,120
can serve in that capacity. Um some

3537
02:16:25,120 --> 02:16:28,000
cities back in the day just then chose

3538
02:16:28,000 --> 02:16:29,920
to title that position as a zoning

3539
02:16:29,920 --> 02:16:31,480
administrator, but essentially your

3540
02:16:31,480 --> 02:16:33,440
zoning administrator is your expert in

3541
02:16:33,440 --> 02:16:36,280
the zoning code. And we you would make

3542
02:16:36,280 --> 02:16:38,240
interpretations um

3543
02:16:38,240 --> 02:16:40,880
of what code may may mean in different

3544
02:16:40,880 --> 02:16:44,400
instances. Um and most communities, it

3545
02:16:44,400 --> 02:16:45,920
is the community development director

3546
02:16:45,920 --> 02:16:48,400
that would serve in that capacity. Um so

3547
02:16:48,400 --> 02:16:50,320
this isn't creating a new position, it's

3548
02:16:50,320 --> 02:16:52,000
just clarifying that zoning

3549
02:16:52,000 --> 02:16:55,080
administrator function is satisfied

3550
02:16:55,080 --> 02:16:56,120
through the community development

3551
02:16:56,120 --> 02:16:58,080
director or whoever may be designated to

3552
02:16:58,080 --> 02:16:59,840
serve that. Okay. Thanks. Sorry for the

3553
02:16:59,840 --> 02:17:01,559
interruption. No, no no worries. Thank

3554
02:17:01,559 --> 02:17:03,000
you for asking.

3555
02:17:03,000 --> 02:17:03,960
Um

3556
02:17:03,960 --> 02:17:05,240
so

3557
02:17:05,240 --> 02:17:06,880
this

3558
02:17:06,880 --> 02:17:10,000
the the code or the state law required

3559
02:17:10,000 --> 02:17:12,559
that we would in every

3560
02:17:12,559 --> 02:17:15,719
section of our zoning code that provides

3561
02:17:15,719 --> 02:17:18,800
permitted uses or conditional uses, that

3562
02:17:18,800 --> 02:17:21,400
we provide um

3563
02:17:21,400 --> 02:17:23,800
section in there then that would state

3564
02:17:23,800 --> 02:17:28,719
if a permitted use, so this um 17-9-7

3565
02:17:28,719 --> 02:17:31,679
if a permitted use is um

3566
02:17:31,679 --> 02:17:32,320
is

3567
02:17:32,320 --> 02:17:36,960
essentially not cleared um

3568
02:17:36,960 --> 02:17:39,480
that

3569
02:17:39,480 --> 02:17:41,440
then the zoning gets administrator would

3570
02:17:41,440 --> 02:17:46,549
effectively determine um

3571
02:17:46,559 --> 02:17:48,559
if that permitted use

3572
02:17:48,559 --> 02:17:50,840
wasn't listed, is the permitted or is

3573
02:17:50,840 --> 02:17:53,360
the use that a business is asking for

3574
02:17:53,360 --> 02:17:55,960
close to that permitted use?

3575
02:17:55,960 --> 02:17:58,200
Um and if it is, then we could allow

3576
02:17:58,200 --> 02:17:59,599
that. And if it's not, then it would go

3577
02:17:59,599 --> 02:18:02,200
through this um kind of petition process

3578
02:18:02,200 --> 02:18:04,000
or an appeal process.

3579
02:18:04,000 --> 02:18:05,240
Um,

3580
02:18:05,240 --> 02:18:06,639
now when this was going through the

3581
02:18:06,639 --> 02:18:08,360
legislative session, typically this is

3582
02:18:08,360 --> 02:18:12,400
how those things would work is that

3583
02:18:12,400 --> 02:18:14,880
if there um,

3584
02:18:14,880 --> 02:18:18,240
if there was a a request and that zone

3585
02:18:18,240 --> 02:18:22,000
didn't re- or allow that particular use,

3586
02:18:22,000 --> 02:18:23,440
an an applicant could have an

3587
02:18:23,440 --> 02:18:25,719
opportunity to apply for a text

3588
02:18:25,719 --> 02:18:28,519
amendment to change code. Um, that can

3589
02:18:28,519 --> 02:18:30,559
be a lengthy process and so I believe

3590
02:18:30,559 --> 02:18:34,920
the intent of this law was to try and

3591
02:18:34,920 --> 02:18:37,320
uh, provide a more expedient outcome to

3592
02:18:37,320 --> 02:18:38,840
that, but I

3593
02:18:38,840 --> 02:18:41,040
it's also I think challenging in some

3594
02:18:41,040 --> 02:18:43,360
ways. Um,

3595
02:18:43,360 --> 02:18:45,519
but effectively, I think the

3596
02:18:45,519 --> 02:18:47,840
opportunities for some type of I'll call

3597
02:18:47,840 --> 02:18:50,000
an appeal like this to come through, the

3598
02:18:50,000 --> 02:18:51,920
way our ordinances are currently

3599
02:18:51,920 --> 02:18:54,240
written, I think is very low.

3600
02:18:54,240 --> 02:18:57,000
And I'll explain why, but most cities

3601
02:18:57,000 --> 02:18:58,840
have um,

3602
02:18:58,840 --> 02:19:01,639
a very exhaustive list of permitted or

3603
02:19:01,639 --> 02:19:05,719
conditional uses. Um, and we have a very

3604
02:19:05,719 --> 02:19:08,440
permissive or a short list that

3605
02:19:08,440 --> 02:19:10,040
encompasses,

3606
02:19:10,040 --> 02:19:12,719
um, as an example, retail sales and

3607
02:19:12,719 --> 02:19:14,519
services. Right? That could mean

3608
02:19:14,519 --> 02:19:18,160
anything from a gym, a salon, dog

3609
02:19:18,160 --> 02:19:20,080
grooming to

3610
02:19:20,080 --> 02:19:21,760
a vape shop.

3611
02:19:21,760 --> 02:19:24,160
Um, and so where we have these very

3612
02:19:24,160 --> 02:19:27,120
broad categories, we tend to kind of

3613
02:19:27,120 --> 02:19:29,000
capture all of these requests that come

3614
02:19:29,000 --> 02:19:31,400
in. Other cities that may have different

3615
02:19:31,400 --> 02:19:34,040
ways of classifying their uses might

3616
02:19:34,040 --> 02:19:36,040
have more trouble. Now, a previous place

3617
02:19:36,040 --> 02:19:38,880
that I worked had very specific uses.

3618
02:19:38,880 --> 02:19:40,639
And in one instance, there actually was

3619
02:19:40,639 --> 02:19:42,679
like somebody that came in and wanted to

3620
02:19:42,679 --> 02:19:44,840
do knife forging or for-

3621
02:19:44,840 --> 02:19:46,880
and

3622
02:19:46,880 --> 02:19:49,240
forge knives with a knife whatever, big

3623
02:19:49,240 --> 02:19:54,200
forge. And that was specific enough that particular use wasn't allowed in

3624
02:19:54,200 --> 02:19:56,280
the manufacturing zone, and so they had

3625
02:19:56,280 --> 02:19:57,960
to apply for a text amendment to amend

3626
02:19:57,960 --> 02:19:58,800
that.

3627
02:19:58,800 --> 02:19:59,800
Um

3628
02:19:59,800 --> 02:20:02,120
whereas if they just would have had

3629
02:20:02,120 --> 02:20:04,760
manufacturing or, you know, forge

3630
02:20:04,760 --> 02:20:06,960
manufacturing, it could have been a

3631
02:20:06,960 --> 02:20:09,240
broader category. So, this really is to

3632
02:20:09,240 --> 02:20:12,560
try and and I think make it easier for

3633
02:20:12,560 --> 02:20:15,000
businesses if the council then would

3634
02:20:15,000 --> 02:20:17,640
agree that the use is similar enough.

3635
02:20:17,640 --> 02:20:21,320
So, each of the um sections in our code

3636
02:20:21,320 --> 02:20:23,080
that has permitted uses, which is all of

3637
02:20:23,080 --> 02:20:24,840
our different zones, everything from our

3638
02:20:24,840 --> 02:20:27,120
ag to our residential to our our

3639
02:20:27,120 --> 02:20:29,120
business and commercial zones,

3640
02:20:29,120 --> 02:20:32,800
um would have a prohibited uses section

3641
02:20:32,800 --> 02:20:38,070
added in here as shown in the 17-9-7.

3642
02:20:38,080 --> 02:20:39,720
And then um

3643
02:20:39,720 --> 02:20:42,480
this next slide that shows this would be

3644
02:20:42,480 --> 02:20:45,080
a new section of code that would be

3645
02:20:45,080 --> 02:20:49,240
added in. And this is how that appeal

3646
02:20:49,240 --> 02:20:51,280
process would work. So, if an

3647
02:20:51,280 --> 02:20:52,720
application was sent to the city

3648
02:20:52,720 --> 02:20:55,160
council, meaning and in typically, let

3649
02:20:55,160 --> 02:20:57,520
me explain too also how these things

3650
02:20:57,520 --> 02:21:00,880
work. Um sometimes questions come

3651
02:21:00,880 --> 02:21:02,280
through and they're very straightforward

3652
02:21:02,280 --> 02:21:04,440
and easy to interpret. Other times they

3653
02:21:04,440 --> 02:21:08,680
may be a little bit more ambiguous or

3654
02:21:08,680 --> 02:21:11,160
just provide more of a question. So,

3655
02:21:11,160 --> 02:21:14,280
that's when I will often times go confer

3656
02:21:14,280 --> 02:21:15,400
with um

3657
02:21:15,400 --> 02:21:18,320
Mr. Mills or Ms. Ellis, our assistant

3658
02:21:18,320 --> 02:21:19,640
city attorney, say, "Hey, what do you

3659
02:21:19,640 --> 02:21:21,640
think about this? Does this fit? Does

3660
02:21:21,640 --> 02:21:24,240
this make sense?" Um and so a lot of

3661
02:21:24,240 --> 02:21:26,120
times through that collaboration, we

3662
02:21:26,120 --> 02:21:28,600
come up with a resolve. Um we would go

3663
02:21:28,600 --> 02:21:30,040
back then to the applicant their

3664
02:21:30,040 --> 02:21:32,760
business um application and say, "Yes,

3665
02:21:32,760 --> 02:21:34,600
we believe this could work." or "No,

3666
02:21:34,600 --> 02:21:37,120
we're sorry, we don't." Now, if it goes

3667
02:21:37,120 --> 02:21:38,880
to that point, then they can choose to

3668
02:21:38,880 --> 02:21:40,760
go through this process. And so then

3669
02:21:40,760 --> 02:21:42,240
that application would be sent to the

3670
02:21:42,240 --> 02:21:47,480
city council. Um you would review the um application. You would have to

3671
02:21:47,480 --> 02:21:49,520
review that within 60 days. And

3672
02:21:49,520 --> 02:21:51,000
essentially, you would just determine

3673
02:21:51,000 --> 02:21:54,480
like does does let's just say metal

3674
02:21:54,480 --> 02:21:56,320
forging

3675
02:21:56,320 --> 02:21:59,680
count as a use close enough to metal

3676
02:21:59,680 --> 02:22:01,200
knife forging.

3677
02:22:01,200 --> 02:22:03,600
And you would make that determination in

3678
02:22:03,600 --> 02:22:05,080
a meeting

3679
02:22:05,080 --> 02:22:08,160
um and then give direction to staff to

3680
02:22:08,160 --> 02:22:11,040
amend the zoning code uh to include

3681
02:22:11,040 --> 02:22:13,920
that. So, um and then if the if the

3682
02:22:13,920 --> 02:22:16,000
council denies denies it, you would need

3683
02:22:16,000 --> 02:22:17,400
to provide a reason why that would be

3684
02:22:17,400 --> 02:22:19,080
denied. Generally, that would be done

3685
02:22:19,080 --> 02:22:22,280
through um a motion or the minutes. Um

3686
02:22:22,280 --> 02:22:23,360
we could come up with something more

3687
02:22:23,360 --> 02:22:26,160
formal. And then um

3688
02:22:26,160 --> 02:22:28,960
there is lastly another section to

3689
02:22:28,960 --> 02:22:32,160
appeal. Um and this is essentially when

3690
02:22:32,160 --> 02:22:34,600
the zoning administrator's determination

3691
02:22:34,600 --> 02:22:36,920
is appealed, um that's when it goes to

3692
02:22:36,920 --> 02:22:40,200
the city council. Uh so

3693
02:22:40,200 --> 02:22:42,520
thankfully um

3694
02:22:42,520 --> 02:22:44,600
and and I know that when the last

3695
02:22:44,600 --> 02:22:47,120
meeting when Mr. Mills presented Ms.

3696
02:22:47,120 --> 02:22:49,000
Ellis with the employee of the quarter,

3697
02:22:49,000 --> 02:22:50,720
one of the things he's mentioned was her

3698
02:22:50,720 --> 02:22:52,440
wealth of knowledge and her access to

3699
02:22:52,440 --> 02:22:54,720
some of this um

3700
02:22:54,720 --> 02:22:57,120
uh like opportunities through her

3701
02:22:57,120 --> 02:22:59,320
membership and her role in the Municipal

3702
02:22:59,320 --> 02:23:02,240
Attorneys Association. And uh we used to

3703
02:23:02,240 --> 02:23:05,760
have a listserv with our uh Utah APA

3704
02:23:05,760 --> 02:23:07,440
chapter where we could kind of easily

3705
02:23:07,440 --> 02:23:10,000
gather information from other cities.

3706
02:23:10,000 --> 02:23:11,920
That is no longer available to us. So,

3707
02:23:11,920 --> 02:23:14,440
through Ms. Ellis's

3708
02:23:14,440 --> 02:23:16,280
um contacts, she was able to come up

3709
02:23:16,280 --> 02:23:19,040
with um with this draft

3710
02:23:19,040 --> 02:23:21,720
and assist us in the process of of of

3711
02:23:21,720 --> 02:23:23,360
drafting this, especially because it was

3712
02:23:23,360 --> 02:23:25,160
a new law, something that hadn't been

3713
02:23:25,160 --> 02:23:27,200
done um before.

3714
02:23:27,200 --> 02:23:30,000
So, we did have this uh at Planning

3715
02:23:30,000 --> 02:23:31,520
Commission.

3716
02:23:31,520 --> 02:23:33,960
And that was back in February. We did

3717
02:23:33,960 --> 02:23:35,960
not receive any public comments on this.

3718
02:23:35,960 --> 02:23:37,360
The Planning Commission voted

3719
02:23:37,360 --> 02:23:40,120
unanimously 7-0 to recommend to the City

3720
02:23:40,120 --> 02:23:42,960
Council that you adopt this.

3721
02:23:42,960 --> 02:23:45,200
So, we are recommending the same based

3722
02:23:45,200 --> 02:23:46,280
on the Planning Commission's

3723
02:23:46,280 --> 02:23:47,960
recommendation that the council approve

3724
02:23:47,960 --> 02:23:49,040
this.

3725
02:23:49,040 --> 02:23:50,960
So, any questions? I'm happy to answer

3726
02:23:50,960 --> 02:23:53,080
them. Of course, we have Mr. uh Judge's

3727
02:23:53,080 --> 02:23:53,480
comment.

3728
02:23:53,480 --> 02:23:55,360
>> Yes, uh Mr. Judge, why don't you come

3729
02:23:55,360 --> 02:23:57,120
up? We'll let you speak first, and then

3730
02:23:57,120 --> 02:23:58,840
we will have our question and

3731
02:23:58,840 --> 02:24:05,870
discussion.

3732
02:24:05,880 --> 02:24:07,600
Thank you.

3733
02:24:07,600 --> 02:24:09,000
Um

3734
02:24:09,000 --> 02:24:13,305
I guess I have a problem with uh

3735
02:24:13,305 --> 02:24:13,640
>> [snorts]

3736
02:24:13,640 --> 02:24:16,760
>> this uh zoning administrator having the

3737
02:24:16,760 --> 02:24:18,000
power

3738
02:24:18,000 --> 02:24:21,160
to approve things without

3739
02:24:21,160 --> 02:24:23,120
coming to the council.

3740
02:24:23,120 --> 02:24:24,520
Um

3741
02:24:24,520 --> 02:24:25,880
it seems to me that the zoning

3742
02:24:25,880 --> 02:24:28,640
administrator should be

3743
02:24:28,640 --> 02:24:30,000
um

3744
02:24:30,000 --> 02:24:31,600
either

3745
02:24:31,600 --> 02:24:33,240
um

3746
02:24:33,240 --> 02:24:37,600
either accountable to the public, i.e.

3747
02:24:37,600 --> 02:24:39,840
one of the council members or somebody

3748
02:24:39,840 --> 02:24:42,400
that is accountable to the public, or a

3749
02:24:42,400 --> 02:24:45,280
designee from the council.

3750
02:24:45,280 --> 02:24:47,160
As opposed to

3751
02:24:47,160 --> 02:24:50,720
you know, one person having that power.

3752
02:24:50,720 --> 02:24:55,720
And uh so, I would suggest that we revamp this to

3753
02:24:55,720 --> 02:24:58,840
have some kind of accountability

3754
02:24:58,840 --> 02:25:01,240
to the to the public

3755
02:25:01,240 --> 02:25:03,240
for these kind of decisions. Anytime you

3756
02:25:03,240 --> 02:25:06,080
have an approval on a zoning thing,

3757
02:25:06,080 --> 02:25:09,080
Right. it could be controversial. Yes.

3758
02:25:09,080 --> 02:25:11,840
>> And I think I think there should be

3759
02:25:11,840 --> 02:25:13,120
something there.

3760
02:25:13,120 --> 02:25:16,120
The other thing is uh just my own

3761
02:25:16,120 --> 02:25:18,160
personal opinion, when you're talking

3762
02:25:18,160 --> 02:25:20,960
zoning approvals, not reviews, but

3763
02:25:20,960 --> 02:25:22,480
approvals,

3764
02:25:22,480 --> 02:25:24,880
I really think that the person in that

3765
02:25:24,880 --> 02:25:27,600
position should live in the city

3766
02:25:27,600 --> 02:25:30,600
and have to live with those.

3767
02:25:30,600 --> 02:25:32,240
Okay. Appreciate your comments. Thank

3768
02:25:32,240 --> 02:25:33,800
you.

3769
02:25:33,800 --> 02:25:37,400
Um I have a question for you, Nick. So,

3770
02:25:37,400 --> 02:25:39,480
I know that we've had situations in in

3771
02:25:39,480 --> 02:25:42,760
the city come up where maybe um

3772
02:25:42,760 --> 02:25:45,240
community development looked at a law a

3773
02:25:45,240 --> 02:25:48,520
recent law and interpreted it one way

3774
02:25:48,520 --> 02:25:51,160
and then as council we interpreted it

3775
02:25:51,160 --> 02:25:52,360
differently.

3776
02:25:52,360 --> 02:25:56,120
Under this change, would that

3777
02:25:56,120 --> 02:25:59,840
position be able to make a determination

3778
02:25:59,840 --> 02:26:01,280
based upon

3779
02:26:01,280 --> 02:26:04,120
their interpretation and then in order

3780
02:26:04,120 --> 02:26:06,440
to appeal it would have to go through a

3781
02:26:06,440 --> 02:26:08,520
longer process. So it would have to be

3782
02:26:08,520 --> 02:26:10,800
rather than a discussion it would be

3783
02:26:10,800 --> 02:26:13,200
okay, yes, no, and then it would have to

3784
02:26:13,200 --> 02:26:14,600
the applicant would have to come back to

3785
02:26:14,600 --> 02:26:17,040
the council to appeal it and it would be

3786
02:26:17,040 --> 02:26:18,760
longer.

3787
02:26:18,760 --> 02:26:20,400
Yeah, so as

3788
02:26:20,400 --> 02:26:21,800
I believe the process and I'll let Ms.

3789
02:26:21,800 --> 02:26:24,120
Greenwood speak but the process is if

3790
02:26:24,120 --> 02:26:26,520
you get something that doesn't

3791
02:26:26,520 --> 02:26:27,720
looks like kind of weird

3792
02:26:27,720 --> 02:26:30,240
>> Yeah, it's kind of confusing.

3793
02:26:30,240 --> 02:26:31,400
then

3794
02:26:31,400 --> 02:26:33,160
um Ms. Greenwood's going to make a

3795
02:26:33,160 --> 02:26:36,040
determination or or whoever the designee

3796
02:26:36,040 --> 02:26:36,880
is.

3797
02:26:36,880 --> 02:26:40,800
If it's approved, it's unlikely you'll see that. Cuz they're going to go

3798
02:26:40,800 --> 02:26:42,960
on their way with approval.

3799
02:26:42,960 --> 02:26:44,840
That concerns me. Okay. Right. If it's

3800
02:26:44,840 --> 02:26:47,840
denied, then um the person has the

3801
02:26:47,840 --> 02:26:50,080
opportunity to for this body, the city

3802
02:26:50,080 --> 02:26:52,680
council, to review that. And then as I

3803
02:26:52,680 --> 02:26:54,640
read it, it looks like it's a de novo

3804
02:26:54,640 --> 02:26:56,520
review, meaning it's brand new. You can

3805
02:26:56,520 --> 02:26:58,760
make the determination you want. And

3806
02:26:58,760 --> 02:27:00,640
whatever determination you make, you're

3807
02:27:00,640 --> 02:27:02,440
going to send that back in the and then

3808
02:27:02,440 --> 02:27:04,440
the planning or excuse me, the zoning

3809
02:27:04,440 --> 02:27:06,080
administrator's going to propose changes

3810
02:27:06,080 --> 02:27:08,800
to reflect what you've done. Okay. So I

3811
02:27:08,800 --> 02:27:10,120
guess my next question would be how

3812
02:27:10,120 --> 02:27:12,880
could we tweak this so that it would be

3813
02:27:12,880 --> 02:27:15,120
maybe comprised of a committee.

3814
02:27:15,120 --> 02:27:17,080
Um which we have a we have a land use

3815
02:27:17,080 --> 02:27:20,000
authority um attorney, Katie, who

3816
02:27:20,000 --> 02:27:22,280
specializes in these things.

3817
02:27:22,280 --> 02:27:24,880
And so maybe a committee of community

3818
02:27:24,880 --> 02:27:27,000
development, maybe a council member,

3819
02:27:27,000 --> 02:27:29,840
maybe a legal professional, city

3820
02:27:29,840 --> 02:27:32,280
manager. Because sometimes

3821
02:27:32,280 --> 02:27:34,000
um I think that there's especially in

3822
02:27:34,000 --> 02:27:36,680
the laws that are coming so quickly um

3823
02:27:36,680 --> 02:27:38,560
at us, that there are different

3824
02:27:38,560 --> 02:27:40,480
interpretations and one individual might

3825
02:27:40,480 --> 02:27:42,440
interpret it one way when that was not

3826
02:27:42,440 --> 02:27:44,600
the intention of the bill. And if if

3827
02:27:44,600 --> 02:27:46,920
they say yes, we won't hear about it

3828
02:27:46,920 --> 02:27:49,000
until it's already enacted and it's too

3829
02:27:49,000 --> 02:27:50,480
late to be able to stop it cuz that

3830
02:27:50,480 --> 02:27:53,000
person was either given permission

3831
02:27:53,000 --> 02:27:55,360
right to do something that we

3832
02:27:55,360 --> 02:27:57,920
don't feel was an appropriate

3833
02:27:57,920 --> 02:28:00,920
use of that zone or that

3834
02:28:00,920 --> 02:28:03,760
of that decision. So I I'm not

3835
02:28:03,760 --> 02:28:05,000
comfortable with this I guess is what

3836
02:28:05,000 --> 02:28:06,440
I'm saying. And I would be more

3837
02:28:06,440 --> 02:28:08,800
comfortable if we had some sort of

3838
02:28:08,800 --> 02:28:11,720
collaborative sort of conversation about

3839
02:28:11,720 --> 02:28:13,360
that. So I don't know how everyone else

3840
02:28:13,360 --> 02:28:14,840
feels, but

3841
02:28:14,840 --> 02:28:17,680
That's a real easy change if the council

3842
02:28:17,680 --> 02:28:19,280
if that's the will of the council we're

3843
02:28:19,280 --> 02:28:21,880
happy to do that. On page 65 of your

3844
02:28:21,880 --> 02:28:25,240
packet under the process Okay. um sub

3845
02:28:25,240 --> 02:28:27,040
two it says the zoning administrator

3846
02:28:27,040 --> 02:28:29,480
shall determine that the if the proposed

3847
02:28:29,480 --> 02:28:31,040
use I think right there we would just

3848
02:28:31,040 --> 02:28:33,520
say the zoning administrator {comma} you

3849
02:28:33,520 --> 02:28:35,000
know member of the legal department

3850
02:28:35,000 --> 02:28:36,720
{comma} planning at planning

3851
02:28:36,720 --> 02:28:39,400
commissioner or city council member or

3852
02:28:39,400 --> 02:28:41,320
Mr. Belknap or whoever we want to put in

3853
02:28:41,320 --> 02:28:43,280
there. Okay, so so as long as it's just

3854
02:28:43,280 --> 02:28:45,040
not one person.

3855
02:28:45,040 --> 02:28:47,120
Josh we know you want this job. As long

3856
02:28:47,120 --> 02:28:49,120
as it's not just one person who

3857
02:28:49,120 --> 02:28:51,200
interprets it the way that you know

3858
02:28:51,200 --> 02:28:53,720
maybe to the letter of the law and and

3859
02:28:53,720 --> 02:28:55,600
doesn't give it an an opportunity for us

3860
02:28:55,600 --> 02:28:58,320
to give some input before it's decided.

3861
02:28:58,320 --> 02:29:00,040
Correct. My My only advice there would

3862
02:29:00,040 --> 02:29:02,080
be that you make it an odd number so

3863
02:29:02,080 --> 02:29:04,280
that the majority can vote and Right.

3864
02:29:04,280 --> 02:29:06,480
Okay. So I'd be okay with that as

3865
02:29:06,480 --> 02:29:08,480
long as it's some sort of a committee

3866
02:29:08,480 --> 02:29:11,120
because these laws are so confusing.

3867
02:29:11,120 --> 02:29:14,280
And it really depends on the situation

3868
02:29:14,280 --> 02:29:18,600
and and the interpretation of them. And we have seen that with with a bill

3869
02:29:18,600 --> 02:29:19,800
that came through and then we were able

3870
02:29:19,800 --> 02:29:21,400
to get it tweaked and fixed and changed,

3871
02:29:21,400 --> 02:29:23,360
but that would have been super impactful

3872
02:29:23,360 --> 02:29:25,880
to a community and a and a neighborhood.

3873
02:29:25,880 --> 02:29:26,320
Absolutely.

3874
02:29:26,320 --> 02:29:28,280
>> been interpreted to the letter of the

3875
02:29:28,280 --> 02:29:31,480
law at that time. Yep. Okay. So that

3876
02:29:31,480 --> 02:29:33,600
would be my recommendation.

3877
02:29:33,600 --> 02:29:34,200
Um

3878
02:29:34,200 --> 02:29:36,120
let me know your thoughts, guys. So,

3879
02:29:36,120 --> 02:29:37,880
I'll talk about I I agree with Tammy

3880
02:29:37,880 --> 02:29:41,080
that that will or Mayor Chanh, I

3881
02:29:41,080 --> 02:29:43,200
all of my concerns would probably be

3882
02:29:43,200 --> 02:29:45,600
addressed by doing that exact thing,

3883
02:29:45,600 --> 02:29:47,520
putting it towards a committee, having

3884
02:29:47,520 --> 02:29:49,400
the committee

3885
02:29:49,400 --> 02:29:51,520
comprised of a couple individuals within

3886
02:29:51,520 --> 02:29:53,720
the city and whatnot. I I think that

3887
02:29:53,720 --> 02:29:55,360
would address all my concerns as well.

3888
02:29:55,360 --> 02:29:57,880
Okay. All right, thanks. Anyone else?

3889
02:29:57,880 --> 02:29:59,600
Council member Hedberg? I I just kind of

3890
02:29:59,600 --> 02:30:01,080
want to echo the same thing. I think it

3891
02:30:01,080 --> 02:30:02,600
also addresses the concerns. If there's

3892
02:30:02,600 --> 02:30:04,480
a council member on there, then at least

3893
02:30:04,480 --> 02:30:05,920
for sure one person will live in the

3894
02:30:05,920 --> 02:30:07,920
city and I think that's a a benefit and

3895
02:30:07,920 --> 02:30:09,360
something that's been brought up. So,

3896
02:30:09,360 --> 02:30:09,640
yeah.

3897
02:30:09,640 --> 02:30:10,720
>> Yeah. And then

3898
02:30:10,720 --> 02:30:13,080
we're getting the direct input, so okay.

3899
02:30:13,080 --> 02:30:14,480
Any Anyone else? Yes, Council member

3900
02:30:14,480 --> 02:30:16,640
Jackson. [clears throat] I'm not quite

3901
02:30:16,640 --> 02:30:19,080
sure about that just because

3902
02:30:19,080 --> 02:30:21,200
as Melinda, you mentioned, there's so

3903
02:30:21,200 --> 02:30:23,480
many different types of businesses out

3904
02:30:23,480 --> 02:30:26,240
there and

3905
02:30:26,240 --> 02:30:28,160
depending on the business that's making

3906
02:30:28,160 --> 02:30:30,280
the application,

3907
02:30:30,280 --> 02:30:32,520
I just I almost think it'd be better to

3908
02:30:32,520 --> 02:30:34,640
have some sort of

3909
02:30:34,640 --> 02:30:37,000
um meeting about it where the public can

3910
02:30:37,000 --> 02:30:40,240
speak to it depending on the type of

3911
02:30:40,240 --> 02:30:42,680
business. It's hard to think of a a

3912
02:30:42,680 --> 02:30:44,480
scenario, maybe, a

3913
02:30:44,480 --> 02:30:46,240
type of business that could

3914
02:30:46,240 --> 02:30:47,800
uh

3915
02:30:47,800 --> 02:30:50,800
negatively impact like the area or

3916
02:30:50,800 --> 02:30:53,640
neighbors or whatnot. And so, I'm just

3917
02:30:53,640 --> 02:30:55,400
trying to figure out like with the state

3918
02:30:55,400 --> 02:30:58,160
law, how does the appeal process Thanks

3919
02:30:58,160 --> 02:31:00,000
for turning up my mic.

3920
02:31:00,000 --> 02:31:03,320
Um how does the appeal process kind of

3921
02:31:03,320 --> 02:31:05,680
work with that? And even if we have a

3922
02:31:05,680 --> 02:31:07,240
committee, that would be great. I would

3923
02:31:07,240 --> 02:31:08,520
like that.

3924
02:31:08,520 --> 02:31:10,880
Um but it doesn't necessarily allow the

3925
02:31:10,880 --> 02:31:12,880
public to weigh in depending on what it

3926
02:31:12,880 --> 02:31:13,840
is.

3927
02:31:13,840 --> 02:31:15,080
Um

3928
02:31:15,080 --> 02:31:16,640
and then looking at the appeal process

3929
02:31:16,640 --> 02:31:17,760
here,

3930
02:31:17,760 --> 02:31:19,960
I was a little bit concerned because it

3931
02:31:19,960 --> 02:31:23,000
states uh the zoning administrator's

3932
02:31:23,000 --> 02:31:24,560
determination may be appealed in

3933
02:31:24,560 --> 02:31:28,200
accordance with section 17-4-5.

3934
02:31:28,200 --> 02:31:29,840
And I looked that up and that's mainly

3935
02:31:29,840 --> 02:31:31,240
dealing with the planning commission.

3936
02:31:31,240 --> 02:31:32,560
So, I was curious how the planning

3937
02:31:32,560 --> 02:31:34,360
commission's involved in this if they

3938
02:31:34,360 --> 02:31:37,240
are, but then it says that appeal can go

3939
02:31:37,240 --> 02:31:39,120
to the city council, but if it's denied

3940
02:31:39,120 --> 02:31:41,280
it goes directly to district court.

3941
02:31:41,280 --> 02:31:43,920
Nothing in the state law says it has to

3942
02:31:43,920 --> 02:31:46,440
go to district court. And I just want to

3943
02:31:46,440 --> 02:31:49,800
know like what flexibility we have back

3944
02:31:49,800 --> 02:31:52,320
and forth if the council says

3945
02:31:52,320 --> 02:31:54,320
uh go back and change a couple of

3946
02:31:54,320 --> 02:31:57,400
things, come back to us, you may come

3947
02:31:57,400 --> 02:32:00,600
back for a second attempt.

3948
02:32:00,600 --> 02:32:02,560
It's hard without knowing the exact

3949
02:32:02,560 --> 02:32:05,120
business that's coming forward. And so,

3950
02:32:05,120 --> 02:32:08,080
little bit confused in that aspect, but

3951
02:32:08,080 --> 02:32:09,760
just wanted to hear the council thoughts

3952
02:32:09,760 --> 02:32:12,000
on a committee versus

3953
02:32:12,000 --> 02:32:14,080
when is there an opportunity to bring it

3954
02:32:14,080 --> 02:32:15,160
in the public setting?

3955
02:32:15,160 --> 02:32:16,760
>> is this is this designed to kind of

3956
02:32:16,760 --> 02:32:17,520
bypass planning [clears throat]

3957
02:32:17,520 --> 02:32:19,240
commission?

3958
02:32:19,240 --> 02:32:20,760
Or or is it kind of streamline the

3959
02:32:20,760 --> 02:32:22,040
process?

3960
02:32:22,040 --> 02:32:25,080
Is that the purpose? I'd have to I don't

3961
02:32:25,080 --> 02:32:26,720
know what the bill sponsor had in mind

3962
02:32:26,720 --> 02:32:28,240
with this. It

3963
02:32:28,240 --> 02:32:30,680
It's honestly I think

3964
02:32:30,680 --> 02:32:33,870
this was

3965
02:32:33,880 --> 02:32:36,520
a solution looking for a problem, if you

3966
02:32:36,520 --> 02:32:38,760
will. Like

3967
02:32:38,760 --> 02:32:43,560
this really didn't make much sense. And And of course we know a lot of times

3968
02:32:43,560 --> 02:32:45,280
this legislation is passed because some

3969
02:32:45,280 --> 02:32:47,200
city somewhere had some issue, one

3970
02:32:47,200 --> 02:32:48,240
person. Right.

3971
02:32:48,240 --> 02:32:49,920
>> Um

3972
02:32:49,920 --> 02:32:52,000
Hey Melinda, real quick. So, in the bill

3973
02:32:52,000 --> 02:32:54,680
it states specifically several times the

3974
02:32:54,680 --> 02:32:56,520
legislative

3975
02:32:56,520 --> 02:32:58,160
will make a decision,

3976
02:32:58,160 --> 02:33:00,480
um but it doesn't say that a city needs

3977
02:33:00,480 --> 02:33:02,080
a zoning administrator, but you're

3978
02:33:02,080 --> 02:33:03,960
correct most cities do have a zoning

3979
02:33:03,960 --> 02:33:06,840
administrator and we need that to

3980
02:33:06,840 --> 02:33:08,480
get these applications to the right

3981
02:33:08,480 --> 02:33:11,520
point to come before a legislative body.

3982
02:33:11,520 --> 02:33:13,720
But it'd be nice to kind of know how

3983
02:33:13,720 --> 02:33:15,920
that appeal process would work. And I

3984
02:33:15,920 --> 02:33:17,280
think the planning commission would be

3985
02:33:17,280 --> 02:33:20,120
considered a legislative body, right? Um

3986
02:33:20,120 --> 02:33:21,800
I No, they are they're They're

3987
02:33:21,800 --> 02:33:23,000
recommended They're administrative.

3988
02:33:23,000 --> 02:33:25,640
They're recommended. Okay. So, this

3989
02:33:25,640 --> 02:33:27,040
So,

3990
02:33:27,040 --> 02:33:28,760
my understanding of how this is work,

3991
02:33:28,760 --> 02:33:31,440
right? A business Somebody who applies

3992
02:33:31,440 --> 02:33:33,120
for a business license and we say,

3993
02:33:33,120 --> 02:33:37,560
"We're sorry. You can't operate

3994
02:33:37,560 --> 02:33:40,440
you know, a gun sale shop out of your

3995
02:33:40,440 --> 02:33:42,480
residence."

3996
02:33:42,480 --> 02:33:45,400
We go look at R1 code. And R1 code has

3997
02:33:45,400 --> 02:33:47,160
these permitted uses and conditional

3998
02:33:47,160 --> 02:33:49,680
uses. And I say to the applicant, "I'm

3999
02:33:49,680 --> 02:33:52,600
sorry, but sales of guns are not allowed

4000
02:33:52,600 --> 02:33:54,880
in this particular zone."

4001
02:33:54,880 --> 02:33:57,160
And he doesn't agree.

4002
02:33:57,160 --> 02:34:00,160
Then he submits This is the This is the

4003
02:34:00,160 --> 02:34:02,760
{quote} appeal. He would submit an

4004
02:34:02,760 --> 02:34:04,320
application or she would submit an

4005
02:34:04,320 --> 02:34:05,880
application

4006
02:34:05,880 --> 02:34:08,000
that comes to the city council in a

4007
02:34:08,000 --> 02:34:10,440
public meeting within 60 days and you

4008
02:34:10,440 --> 02:34:14,200
determine You say, "Well, we allow for

4009
02:34:14,200 --> 02:34:16,200
sales of

4010
02:34:16,200 --> 02:34:19,920
farm stand items and we think that a gun

4011
02:34:19,920 --> 02:34:22,720
is close enough to farm stand item. So,

4012
02:34:22,720 --> 02:34:24,520
we feel like

4013
02:34:24,520 --> 02:34:26,640
the zoning administration

4014
02:34:26,640 --> 02:34:28,320
didn't

4015
02:34:28,320 --> 02:34:30,520
view this the same way we do. That's

4016
02:34:30,520 --> 02:34:32,480
done in a public meeting.

4017
02:34:32,480 --> 02:34:34,640
Um, and then if you approve that and you

4018
02:34:34,640 --> 02:34:36,160
say, "Yes,

4019
02:34:36,160 --> 02:34:37,600
you know, the the produce out of my

4020
02:34:37,600 --> 02:34:40,640
garden and guns are similar enough."

4021
02:34:40,640 --> 02:34:41,680
Um,

4022
02:34:41,680 --> 02:34:44,480
you would approve You would designate

4023
02:34:44,480 --> 02:34:46,920
then during the meeting the appropriate

4024
02:34:46,920 --> 02:34:49,320
zones for that. So, you would say,

4025
02:34:49,320 --> 02:34:54,000
"R1, A1, and light industrial." And then

4026
02:34:54,000 --> 02:34:56,320
um, we That would be our marching orders

4027
02:34:56,320 --> 02:34:58,760
of staff to go back and amend the code

4028
02:34:58,760 --> 02:35:00,440
and take that through a text amendment

4029
02:35:00,440 --> 02:35:02,360
process through planning commission and

4030
02:35:02,360 --> 02:35:05,080
then back through council to include

4031
02:35:05,080 --> 02:35:08,280
those uses in the zoning code.

4032
02:35:08,280 --> 02:35:10,200
If you deny it,

4033
02:35:10,200 --> 02:35:12,760
then the appeal would happen as it

4034
02:35:12,760 --> 02:35:16,120
normally does. Now, um,

4035
02:35:16,120 --> 02:35:19,520
currently our appeal code states that

4036
02:35:19,520 --> 02:35:21,040
the planning commission would be the

4037
02:35:21,040 --> 02:35:22,880
appeal body. We actually want to change

4038
02:35:22,880 --> 02:35:24,640
that and have it go to an administrative

4039
02:35:24,640 --> 02:35:28,400
law judge. It is just a better uh

4040
02:35:28,400 --> 02:35:30,720
process, and that's something that we'll

4041
02:35:30,720 --> 02:35:33,600
be working on um in the months to come

4042
02:35:33,600 --> 02:35:38,680
as well. Uh and but then um usually

4043
02:35:38,680 --> 02:35:42,000
what happens after the appeal, if the

4044
02:35:42,000 --> 02:35:43,920
planning commission denied that, then

4045
02:35:43,920 --> 02:35:48,120
their recourse would be to go submit um

4046
02:35:48,120 --> 02:35:50,920
that through the district court.

4047
02:35:50,920 --> 02:35:53,680
So So this

4048
02:35:53,680 --> 02:35:57,000
process outlined here in the 1739 really

4049
02:35:57,000 --> 02:35:58,160
is

4050
02:35:58,160 --> 02:36:01,160
the initial appeal. And it would be, I

4051
02:36:01,160 --> 02:36:03,920
think, very awkward for the planning

4052
02:36:03,920 --> 02:36:06,080
commission to serve as an appeal body

4053
02:36:06,080 --> 02:36:08,000
for the city council's

4054
02:36:08,000 --> 02:36:10,280
decision. It just doesn't They're a

4055
02:36:10,280 --> 02:36:13,280
recommending body. They're not

4056
02:36:13,280 --> 02:36:16,040
Yeah, so it So we do need to change, I

4057
02:36:16,040 --> 02:36:18,640
think, the way our appeal process

4058
02:36:18,640 --> 02:36:20,440
functions, um

4059
02:36:20,440 --> 02:36:25,520
which is kind of a separate issue, but this effectively is the appeal. The

4060
02:36:25,520 --> 02:36:28,880
business applicant says, "I don't like

4061
02:36:28,880 --> 02:36:30,960
your determination. I want to go and see

4062
02:36:30,960 --> 02:36:32,880
what the city council says." And that

4063
02:36:32,880 --> 02:36:34,680
would occur in a public meeting, which

4064
02:36:34,680 --> 02:36:36,440
would provide an opportunity for the

4065
02:36:36,440 --> 02:36:38,520
public to comment.

4066
02:36:38,520 --> 02:36:39,920
I mean, the way it's written here,

4067
02:36:39,920 --> 02:36:41,840
though, technically

4068
02:36:41,840 --> 02:36:46,360
a city staffer can approve that

4069
02:36:46,360 --> 02:36:49,320
based on their own interpretation

4070
02:36:49,320 --> 02:36:53,800
um cuz in section 17-39-1,

4071
02:36:53,800 --> 02:36:55,240
part one,

4072
02:36:55,240 --> 02:36:57,040
it says the application shall

4073
02:36:57,040 --> 02:36:58,920
include information specified by the

4074
02:36:58,920 --> 02:37:00,800
zoning administrator. That should

4075
02:37:00,800 --> 02:37:03,960
probably say specified by city

4076
02:37:03,960 --> 02:37:06,520
um code or or

4077
02:37:06,520 --> 02:37:09,400
something a little more

4078
02:37:09,400 --> 02:37:10,480
um

4079
02:37:10,480 --> 02:37:13,720
like rooted in what we decide, but

4080
02:37:13,720 --> 02:37:18,120
I'm just worried that that's really kind of left up to

4081
02:37:18,120 --> 02:37:20,480
interpretation whoever whichever staff

4082
02:37:20,480 --> 02:37:22,920
or handles it in the at a city level.

4083
02:37:22,920 --> 02:37:25,320
And so I don't see why it can't come

4084
02:37:25,320 --> 02:37:27,160
before a council. They said the zoning

4085
02:37:27,160 --> 02:37:29,440
administrator administrator gets it

4086
02:37:29,440 --> 02:37:30,960
prepared.

4087
02:37:30,960 --> 02:37:35,480
Um does their best to like allow

4088
02:37:35,480 --> 02:37:38,120
for a yes determining like if they

4089
02:37:38,120 --> 02:37:40,720
comply, bring it to the council. If the

4090
02:37:40,720 --> 02:37:43,040
council denies, why can't the appeal

4091
02:37:43,040 --> 02:37:44,960
process why can't they come back a

4092
02:37:44,960 --> 02:37:47,080
second time to the council?

4093
02:37:47,080 --> 02:37:49,680
Um a lot of federal agencies do that.

4094
02:37:49,680 --> 02:37:52,480
You can appeal to the same board. And so

4095
02:37:52,480 --> 02:37:53,920
that I just

4096
02:37:53,920 --> 02:37:56,320
I think that the legislative body needs

4097
02:37:56,320 --> 02:37:57,520
to

4098
02:37:57,520 --> 02:37:59,240
pretty much see all of it that comes

4099
02:37:59,240 --> 02:38:00,320
through.

4100
02:38:00,320 --> 02:38:02,120
I I would I would agree with you and I

4101
02:38:02,120 --> 02:38:03,760
think more and more concerned about the

4102
02:38:03,760 --> 02:38:06,400
yeses than the nos.

4103
02:38:06,400 --> 02:38:08,560
Just because the interpretation of yes

4104
02:38:08,560 --> 02:38:11,320
is really so confusing, which we've

4105
02:38:11,320 --> 02:38:12,280
seen.

4106
02:38:12,280 --> 02:38:14,160
And in in these bills are written in

4107
02:38:14,160 --> 02:38:16,080
such a confusing way that I think the

4108
02:38:16,080 --> 02:38:18,480
yeses are the most

4109
02:38:18,480 --> 02:38:20,280
seem to be more problematic than the

4110
02:38:20,280 --> 02:38:22,840
nos. The nos are pretty cut and dry and

4111
02:38:22,840 --> 02:38:25,560
clear. So if we could if we could amend

4112
02:38:25,560 --> 02:38:29,080
it to address the yes to make sure that

4113
02:38:29,080 --> 02:38:31,480
we are making sure that what we're

4114
02:38:31,480 --> 02:38:33,440
saying yes to is actually truly the

4115
02:38:33,440 --> 02:38:36,680
intent of the bill and not going to be

4116
02:38:36,680 --> 02:38:38,960
impactful in a negative way to the

4117
02:38:38,960 --> 02:38:40,520
community

4118
02:38:40,520 --> 02:38:44,880
then I would feel much more comfortable.

4119
02:38:44,880 --> 02:38:46,720
Council member Blackham. I'm just I

4120
02:38:46,720 --> 02:38:48,520
think the appeals portion of it is just

4121
02:38:48,520 --> 02:38:50,440
totally messed up. It doesn't make any

4122
02:38:50,440 --> 02:38:52,320
sense to me that it appeals goes to the

4123
02:38:52,320 --> 02:38:54,480
planning commission. I mean Nate talked

4124
02:38:54,480 --> 02:38:56,080
about it or our council member.

4125
02:38:56,080 --> 02:38:57,680
>> then to a district court. I mean come

4126
02:38:57,680 --> 02:38:59,120
on. That's expensive for people.

4127
02:38:59,120 --> 02:39:01,760
>> the point is is

4128
02:39:01,760 --> 02:39:04,560
you would have a an elect a non-elected

4129
02:39:04,560 --> 02:39:07,800
body appealed from an elected body on a

4130
02:39:07,800 --> 02:39:09,800
decision that was a legislative

4131
02:39:09,800 --> 02:39:12,720
decision. So, it makes no sense to me. I

4132
02:39:12,720 --> 02:39:15,440
think until we fix the appeals process,

4133
02:39:15,440 --> 02:39:17,840
this ordinance can't really go any

4134
02:39:17,840 --> 02:39:21,230
farther.

4135
02:39:21,240 --> 02:39:24,920
Well, I think state law states that we need to do it.

4136
02:39:24,920 --> 02:39:26,080
>> Oh, we have to have an appeals, but I

4137
02:39:26,080 --> 02:39:27,840
think the appeal, like she said, a

4138
02:39:27,840 --> 02:39:30,400
legis- the law how we used it once

4139
02:39:30,400 --> 02:39:33,160
before when the planning commission was

4140
02:39:33,160 --> 02:39:34,960
questioned on something they did and we

4141
02:39:34,960 --> 02:39:37,200
hired a

4142
02:39:37,200 --> 02:39:37,440
Yeah.

4143
02:39:37,440 --> 02:39:41,520
>> a law judge to make that determination.

4144
02:39:41,520 --> 02:39:42,360
Yeah, I

4145
02:39:42,360 --> 02:39:43,880
uh if I could speak to that, I think the

4146
02:39:43,880 --> 02:39:46,400
intent of 17-39-3

4147
02:39:46,400 --> 02:39:50,800
was and there is some um

4148
02:39:50,800 --> 02:39:52,120
confusion now that that's brought up.

4149
02:39:52,120 --> 02:39:54,760
Thank you. Uh the I think the intention

4150
02:39:54,760 --> 02:39:58,440
was that the procedure of 17-4-4-5

4151
02:39:58,440 --> 02:40:01,040
would be followed, but 17-4-5 is pretty

4152
02:40:01,040 --> 02:40:03,040
inclusive and talks about how things

4153
02:40:03,040 --> 02:40:04,360
should be transmitted to the planning

4154
02:40:04,360 --> 02:40:06,000
commission. I think what we were trying

4155
02:40:06,000 --> 02:40:08,920
to capture there is the 10 days and

4156
02:40:08,920 --> 02:40:13,640
timelines there. But, we'll certainly if the council wants to table this, we

4157
02:40:13,640 --> 02:40:16,120
could certainly um bring back something

4158
02:40:16,120 --> 02:40:17,840
that had more clarity

4159
02:40:17,840 --> 02:40:20,200
um in that. I think the reason that the

4160
02:40:20,200 --> 02:40:22,680
appeals section is in there is that this

4161
02:40:22,680 --> 02:40:28,360
body, the city council, is the highest um authority in the city.

4162
02:40:28,360 --> 02:40:31,080
And so, any appeals

4163
02:40:31,080 --> 02:40:32,800
that the council of decisions the

4164
02:40:32,800 --> 02:40:35,320
council make, they always go to We don't

4165
02:40:35,320 --> 02:40:37,320
send those to an AL J. We don't send

4166
02:40:37,320 --> 02:40:38,400
those to the planning commission. You're

4167
02:40:38,400 --> 02:40:40,400
exactly right. You're the highest

4168
02:40:40,400 --> 02:40:42,040
authority. So, those always go to the

4169
02:40:42,040 --> 02:40:44,760
district court if there's a confusion. I

4170
02:40:44,760 --> 02:40:46,520
do have issue with an adminis- an

4171
02:40:46,520 --> 02:40:48,040
administrative law judge being the

4172
02:40:48,040 --> 02:40:50,480
ultimate authority because if a council

4173
02:40:50,480 --> 02:40:52,000
says no,

4174
02:40:52,000 --> 02:40:54,880
then that places a judge

4175
02:40:54,880 --> 02:40:57,280
Yeah. that is starting to legislate and

4176
02:40:57,280 --> 02:40:58,880
we There's a lot of problems with that,

4177
02:40:58,880 --> 02:40:59,280
too.

4178
02:40:59,280 --> 02:41:00,880
>> Sure. Yeah, we certainly would not would

4179
02:41:00,880 --> 02:41:03,120
not send your decision to an ALJ.

4180
02:41:03,120 --> 02:41:05,720
Certainly not. No. Well, and and I back

4181
02:41:05,720 --> 02:41:10,120
to my point of a yes. A yes, there's no appeal for a yes.

4182
02:41:10,120 --> 02:41:12,120
For for a neighborhood or neighbor I

4183
02:41:12,120 --> 02:41:13,880
guess they could complain, but at that

4184
02:41:13,880 --> 02:41:16,200
point they've already been granted their

4185
02:41:16,200 --> 02:41:18,440
um request. So, if you could work on

4186
02:41:18,440 --> 02:41:19,560
that Are we okay with that?

4187
02:41:19,560 --> 02:41:21,320
>> Yeah. Yeah. Can I just add one thing? I

4188
02:41:21,320 --> 02:41:23,760
was just looking at 17-4-5 on the

4189
02:41:23,760 --> 02:41:25,160
appeals section.

4190
02:41:25,160 --> 02:41:26,800
Um and it does says any other person can

4191
02:41:26,800 --> 02:41:28,800
appeal. Um but I've always felt even

4192
02:41:28,800 --> 02:41:30,040
when I was on the planning commission

4193
02:41:30,040 --> 02:41:31,920
that the option for neighbors to appeal

4194
02:41:31,920 --> 02:41:33,880
was such a tight timeline that if

4195
02:41:33,880 --> 02:41:35,400
someone were to approve something and

4196
02:41:35,400 --> 02:41:36,320
they didn't hear, I mean they've only

4197
02:41:36,320 --> 02:41:38,120
got 10 calendar days, I think, right? To

4198
02:41:38,120 --> 02:41:40,920
appeal. So, yeah, I think that's why I

4199
02:41:40,920 --> 02:41:42,920
additionally also feel more comfortable

4200
02:41:42,920 --> 02:41:44,600
kind of reworking this a little bit.

4201
02:41:44,600 --> 02:41:46,640
Great. Thank you.

4202
02:41:46,640 --> 02:41:47,560
All right, would someone like to make a

4203
02:41:47,560 --> 02:41:50,870
motion?

4204
02:41:50,880 --> 02:41:53,000
I'll motion it. Okay. Let's try this

4205
02:41:53,000 --> 02:41:54,280
out.

4206
02:41:54,280 --> 02:41:57,200
Um I motion that we move

4207
02:41:57,200 --> 02:41:59,640
um

4208
02:41:59,640 --> 02:42:01,680
action item

4209
02:42:01,680 --> 02:42:03,680
7B, an ordinance to amend the various

4210
02:42:03,680 --> 02:42:06,200
sections of title 17 of Keizer City Code

4211
02:42:06,200 --> 02:42:09,080
to comply with section bill 179 titled

4212
02:42:09,080 --> 02:42:11,480
local regulations and business entity

4213
02:42:11,480 --> 02:42:13,480
amendments

4214
02:42:13,480 --> 02:42:15,320
to a

4215
02:42:15,320 --> 02:42:17,760
work item.

4216
02:42:17,760 --> 02:42:19,200
Is that what we're doing?

4217
02:42:19,200 --> 02:42:20,800
To work item.

4218
02:42:20,800 --> 02:42:22,640
That works. Sure. Yeah, that works.

4219
02:42:22,640 --> 02:42:24,280
Is that your first motion? That is my

4220
02:42:24,280 --> 02:42:26,000
very first motion. Okay. Okay. Thank

4221
02:42:26,000 --> 02:42:26,400
you.

4222
02:42:26,400 --> 02:42:29,600
>> it. I second. Thank you. Thank you.

4223
02:42:29,600 --> 02:42:31,760
Council member McBride. Thank

4224
02:42:31,760 --> 02:42:33,920
you, Council member Adams.

4225
02:42:33,920 --> 02:42:35,720
Uh Council member Hunt. Do you want to

4226
02:42:35,720 --> 02:42:40,520
start? Yeah. Okay. Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye.

4227
02:42:40,520 --> 02:42:44,000
Okay, thank you, everyone. All right.

4228
02:42:44,000 --> 02:42:45,080
>> Can

4229
02:42:45,080 --> 02:42:46,760
Do you care if we

4230
02:42:46,760 --> 02:42:48,880
just a friendly friendly request work

4231
02:42:48,880 --> 02:42:54,040
items looks like discussion discussion?

4232
02:42:54,040 --> 02:42:57,160
9:35 and we have a meeting close

4233
02:42:57,160 --> 02:43:00,160
session. And is there anything that

4234
02:43:00,160 --> 02:43:03,440
staff feels imminent about A, B, and C

4235
02:43:03,440 --> 02:43:05,240
that we need to discuss this evening? I

4236
02:43:05,240 --> 02:43:06,960
mean, I'm happy to do it. I just

4237
02:43:06,960 --> 02:43:09,920
wondered if there's

4238
02:43:09,920 --> 02:43:12,000
any chance that that could be moved to 2

4239
02:43:12,000 --> 02:43:13,520
weeks from now or if anybody would be

4240
02:43:13,520 --> 02:43:16,000
opposed to such a request, Mayor. Thank

4241
02:43:16,000 --> 02:43:18,480
you. I will say that the splash pad is

4242
02:43:18,480 --> 02:43:20,560
usually scheduled to open

4243
02:43:20,560 --> 02:43:22,400
Memorial weekend, right? And that is

4244
02:43:22,400 --> 02:43:23,640
coming up.

4245
02:43:23,640 --> 02:43:24,760
I think that'd be a really quick

4246
02:43:24,760 --> 02:43:26,480
discussion.

4247
02:43:26,480 --> 02:43:28,200
Okay. Are we okay with that one? I'd

4248
02:43:28,200 --> 02:43:30,240
like to discuss that one. Okay. Okay.

4249
02:43:30,240 --> 02:43:32,800
So, the other two, you guys okay?

4250
02:43:32,800 --> 02:43:34,960
Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Is that a motion? I'll

4251
02:43:34,960 --> 02:43:37,600
make a motion.

4252
02:43:37,600 --> 02:43:40,480
that we

4253
02:43:40,480 --> 02:43:44,680
table or continue work item A and C to 2

4254
02:43:44,680 --> 02:43:46,520
weeks from today,

4255
02:43:46,520 --> 02:43:50,400
which will now be added also to our

4256
02:43:50,400 --> 02:43:53,840
newest council member's first request,

4257
02:43:53,840 --> 02:43:56,600
and that we discuss

4258
02:43:56,600 --> 02:43:58,960
right now ad nauseam

4259
02:43:58,960 --> 02:44:00,178
B.

4260
02:44:00,178 --> 02:44:00,280
>> [laughter]

4261
02:44:00,280 --> 02:44:02,920
>> I'll second that. Okay. Council member

4262
02:44:02,920 --> 02:44:03,480
Jackson.

4263
02:44:03,480 --> 02:44:04,320
>> Aye.

4264
02:44:04,320 --> 02:44:07,000
Aye. Aye.

4265
02:44:07,000 --> 02:44:08,680
Nay.

4266
02:44:08,680 --> 02:44:10,680
Just because of the ad nauseam? No. I

4267
02:44:10,680 --> 02:44:13,934
mean, that didn't help. Okay. Okay.

4268
02:44:13,934 --> 02:44:14,120
>> [laughter]

4269
02:44:14,120 --> 02:44:15,520
>> Okay.

4270
02:44:15,520 --> 02:44:17,240
City splash pad,

4271
02:44:17,240 --> 02:44:23,470
Cole, you want to talk about that?

4272
02:44:23,480 --> 02:44:24,560
Sure, I'd be happy to.

4273
02:44:24,560 --> 02:44:26,760
>> Okay. Yeah, I'll I'll make it quick. So,

4274
02:44:26,760 --> 02:44:29,320
as staff, we've been consulting with

4275
02:44:29,320 --> 02:44:30,920
of course parks parks and recreation and

4276
02:44:30,920 --> 02:44:33,160
public works on the splash pad, uh

4277
02:44:33,160 --> 02:44:34,840
seeing that the city's in a, you know,

4278
02:44:34,840 --> 02:44:37,200
this not the city, but the state with

4279
02:44:37,200 --> 02:44:39,000
the severe drought that we're in and the

4280
02:44:39,000 --> 02:44:41,800
water consumption of the splash pad.

4281
02:44:41,800 --> 02:44:43,840
Um we you know, we're utilizing about

4282
02:44:43,840 --> 02:44:45,600
roughly give or take, you know, it's a

4283
02:44:45,600 --> 02:44:47,880
lot of variables there, but roughly 5

4284
02:44:47,880 --> 02:44:49,920
million gallons of water

4285
02:44:49,920 --> 02:44:52,040
during its 16-week season, which is the

4286
02:44:52,040 --> 02:44:54,200
equivalent of draining uh

4287
02:44:54,200 --> 02:44:55,840
the 1 million gallon water takes five

4288
02:44:55,840 --> 02:44:58,280
times within that season. Even though it

4289
02:44:58,280 --> 02:45:00,360
is a culinary system, it is

4290
02:45:00,360 --> 02:45:02,520
uh a recapture system. Uh and maybe to

4291
02:45:02,520 --> 02:45:04,360
clarify with people that might be

4292
02:45:04,360 --> 02:45:05,640
listening, the splash pad is not a

4293
02:45:05,640 --> 02:45:07,640
recirculating system, it's a recapture

4294
02:45:07,640 --> 02:45:08,760
system,

4295
02:45:08,760 --> 02:45:11,200
meaning that it's fresh culinary intake,

4296
02:45:11,200 --> 02:45:13,360
we then pump it into the citywide

4297
02:45:13,360 --> 02:45:18,520
secondary irrigation system. Uh so it is utilizing 5 million gallons of

4298
02:45:18,520 --> 02:45:21,960
fresh culinary water every year. Um

4299
02:45:21,960 --> 02:45:23,640
the decision was made on that back in

4300
02:45:23,640 --> 02:45:26,320
2012 when it was constructed uh just

4301
02:45:26,320 --> 02:45:28,080
with a lot of

4302
02:45:28,080 --> 02:45:30,200
staffing issues to do a recirculating

4303
02:45:30,200 --> 02:45:31,480
system. It's a you have to have a

4304
02:45:31,480 --> 02:45:33,240
certified pool operator that operates

4305
02:45:33,240 --> 02:45:34,720
this to check the chlorine levels, and

4306
02:45:34,720 --> 02:45:36,960
then that is a self-contained unit, just

4307
02:45:36,960 --> 02:45:38,400
recirculating the water within its own

4308
02:45:38,400 --> 02:45:41,040
system. And so this is different. Um it

4309
02:45:41,040 --> 02:45:43,240
is a recapture system and not a a

4310
02:45:43,240 --> 02:45:47,160
recycle system, so it is utilizing that

4311
02:45:47,160 --> 02:45:48,880
potentially 5 million gallons. And so

4312
02:45:48,880 --> 02:45:50,320
our recommendations we've consulted with

4313
02:45:50,320 --> 02:45:52,640
public works on the you know, water and

4314
02:45:52,640 --> 02:45:54,600
feeling like to do our part as water

4315
02:45:54,600 --> 02:45:56,800
conservation, uh cuz we're very

4316
02:45:56,800 --> 02:45:58,920
sensitive to that and the the need to

4317
02:45:58,920 --> 02:46:00,320
conserve water,

4318
02:46:00,320 --> 02:46:02,440
uh is to not open and not operate the

4319
02:46:02,440 --> 02:46:05,840
splash pad for the 2026 uh season.

4320
02:46:05,840 --> 02:46:08,560
And defer to Josh too from just a water

4321
02:46:08,560 --> 02:46:11,510
standpoint, too.

4322
02:46:11,520 --> 02:46:14,160
Yeah, I I think uh in in addition to

4323
02:46:14,160 --> 02:46:17,440
what Cole mentioned, um

4324
02:46:17,440 --> 02:46:20,760
the the discussion over this item

4325
02:46:20,760 --> 02:46:22,720
uh in light of the drought conditions

4326
02:46:22,720 --> 02:46:25,400
right now is is also

4327
02:46:25,400 --> 02:46:27,320
trying to factor in a lot of the input

4328
02:46:27,320 --> 02:46:29,520
that we received in 2022 during the last

4329
02:46:29,520 --> 02:46:31,360
drought declaration.

4330
02:46:31,360 --> 02:46:32,640
Um

4331
02:46:32,640 --> 02:46:34,840
the similar concern, but in in kind of

4332
02:46:34,840 --> 02:46:37,360
the the opposite end of the spectrum of

4333
02:46:37,360 --> 02:46:39,760
concern about the city's use

4334
02:46:39,760 --> 02:46:41,840
uh of water

4335
02:46:41,840 --> 02:46:43,880
uh there at the splash pad.

4336
02:46:43,880 --> 02:46:46,480
Uh and then I I I I speak to the current

4337
02:46:46,480 --> 02:46:48,160
state of the system there, but I know

4338
02:46:48,160 --> 02:46:50,680
that there have been some concerns with

4339
02:46:50,680 --> 02:46:52,560
the the current functionality of the

4340
02:46:52,560 --> 02:46:54,600
recapture system

4341
02:46:54,600 --> 02:46:57,400
uh that that have kind of factored into

4342
02:46:57,400 --> 02:46:58,920
some of the

4343
02:46:58,920 --> 02:47:01,080
discussion between parks and public

4344
02:47:01,080 --> 02:47:03,440
works. So.

4345
02:47:03,440 --> 02:47:05,320
Thank you. And for clarification, there

4346
02:47:05,320 --> 02:47:08,280
are other cities that have recirculation

4347
02:47:08,280 --> 02:47:10,880
systems, which is why they keep those

4348
02:47:10,880 --> 02:47:13,200
open because they do have the ability to

4349
02:47:13,200 --> 02:47:14,520
use the same water over and over and

4350
02:47:14,520 --> 02:47:15,520
over.

4351
02:47:15,520 --> 02:47:17,440
And and we don't. And that is the

4352
02:47:17,440 --> 02:47:19,400
difference. That is the difference. Like

4353
02:47:19,400 --> 02:47:21,160
Layton City, for example, their splash

4354
02:47:21,160 --> 02:47:23,640
pad at Ellison is a recirculating

4355
02:47:23,640 --> 02:47:26,000
system. Right. Um they also operate a

4356
02:47:26,000 --> 02:47:28,120
pool. Mhm. So, they have pool certified

4357
02:47:28,120 --> 02:47:30,240
pool operators. Our system doesn't even

4358
02:47:30,240 --> 02:47:32,520
have that capabilities to recircle

4359
02:47:32,520 --> 02:47:34,000
recycle. It would have to be a complete

4360
02:47:34,000 --> 02:47:36,840
new uh system within side the Heritage

4361
02:47:36,840 --> 02:47:38,360
Park pump house. They haven't actually

4362
02:47:38,360 --> 02:47:41,720
considered doing that. We we did have

4363
02:47:41,720 --> 02:47:43,760
some, you know, neighbors that we are on

4364
02:47:43,760 --> 02:47:45,760
the news. Some people complained and

4365
02:47:45,760 --> 02:47:47,120
were sad about it, but it seems like

4366
02:47:47,120 --> 02:47:49,200
most people understood. Go ahead,

4367
02:47:49,200 --> 02:47:51,920
Council Member Bracken. I

4368
02:47:51,920 --> 02:47:52,840
um

4369
02:47:52,840 --> 02:47:56,000
I mean, I'm okay with uh

4370
02:47:56,000 --> 02:47:58,200
maybe reducing the hours, but, you know,

4371
02:47:58,200 --> 02:48:00,320
there's a lot of people. This is one of

4372
02:48:00,320 --> 02:48:02,640
those deals where you have a lot of

4373
02:48:02,640 --> 02:48:05,160
mothers who have their kids home in the

4374
02:48:05,160 --> 02:48:07,360
day for the summer and they are always

4375
02:48:07,360 --> 02:48:09,680
looking for places and it's awful hot

4376
02:48:09,680 --> 02:48:12,120
and it is a

4377
02:48:12,120 --> 02:48:14,440
it's not a huge splash pad. It is a

4378
02:48:14,440 --> 02:48:16,120
amenity

4379
02:48:16,120 --> 02:48:17,960
get people over there and if we can

4380
02:48:17,960 --> 02:48:20,160
recapture the water and put that water

4381
02:48:20,160 --> 02:48:22,240
on our parks to keep our lawns green so

4382
02:48:22,240 --> 02:48:24,800
that we can use that for recreation

4383
02:48:24,800 --> 02:48:26,000
and those types of things. I I know

4384
02:48:26,000 --> 02:48:27,560
that's tough to say that it's all going

4385
02:48:27,560 --> 02:48:29,640
to go right there, but

4386
02:48:29,640 --> 02:48:32,120
I for one, I I think conservation is

4387
02:48:32,120 --> 02:48:35,800
good, but I also think that

4388
02:48:35,800 --> 02:48:38,280
a lot of people

4389
02:48:38,280 --> 02:48:39,520
are looking for

4390
02:48:39,520 --> 02:48:41,040
>> We we will We'll beat We'll get beat up

4391
02:48:41,040 --> 02:48:42,600
either way. Yeah, we're going to get

4392
02:48:42,600 --> 02:48:43,720
beat up either way.

4393
02:48:43,720 --> 02:48:46,000
>> there was a lot of confusion in 2022 on

4394
02:48:46,000 --> 02:48:47,560
what are the hours,

4395
02:48:47,560 --> 02:48:50,080
all that stuff. And so it it it works,

4396
02:48:50,080 --> 02:48:52,520
it doesn't work. I mean, I'd rather say

4397
02:48:52,520 --> 02:48:54,600
if it gets worse in the summer, if we

4398
02:48:54,600 --> 02:48:56,440
don't get then then we can talk about

4399
02:48:56,440 --> 02:48:59,080
closing it then. But for now,

4400
02:48:59,080 --> 02:49:01,080
I'd really be interested in keeping it

4401
02:49:01,080 --> 02:49:01,400
open.

4402
02:49:01,400 --> 02:49:03,080
>> And and to Josh's point, we we do have

4403
02:49:03,080 --> 02:49:04,760
occasions. I'm not going to lie that we

4404
02:49:04,760 --> 02:49:08,960
don't have occasional issues with our pump. Um

4405
02:49:08,960 --> 02:49:11,080
it is a uh

4406
02:49:11,080 --> 02:49:14,800
Well, you know pumps. Pumps are not the funnest things in the world. So

4407
02:49:14,800 --> 02:49:16,840
sometimes it it it works. Unfortunately,

4408
02:49:16,840 --> 02:49:18,320
there have been times where we do have

4409
02:49:18,320 --> 02:49:21,400
to discharge the sewer um on that water.

4410
02:49:21,400 --> 02:49:22,800
But you know, it's it's roughly about

4411
02:49:22,800 --> 02:49:24,680
50,000 gallons a day

4412
02:49:24,680 --> 02:49:26,880
that uh goes through the system uh on

4413
02:49:26,880 --> 02:49:29,080
when it's in its normal operating

4414
02:49:29,080 --> 02:49:31,600
window. So that's our our recommendation

4415
02:49:31,600 --> 02:49:33,560
is that we not open it, but you know,

4416
02:49:33,560 --> 02:49:34,800
we'll take the direction whatever

4417
02:49:34,800 --> 02:49:36,160
council

4418
02:49:36,160 --> 02:49:38,280
directs us to do. Okay, council member

4419
02:49:38,280 --> 02:49:41,480
um McBride. You know, I'm I'm on the

4420
02:49:41,480 --> 02:49:43,680
same lines as council member Blackham

4421
02:49:43,680 --> 02:49:46,640
here is I do know that I I mean, I'm

4422
02:49:46,640 --> 02:49:47,640
probably not going to go out there

4423
02:49:47,640 --> 02:49:48,960
myself,

4424
02:49:48,960 --> 02:49:50,200
but there are a lot of families that do

4425
02:49:50,200 --> 02:49:52,720
count on some sort of recreation, some

4426
02:49:52,720 --> 02:49:54,160
sort of getting out for a little bit. If

4427
02:49:54,160 --> 02:49:56,280
we can just limit the hours

4428
02:49:56,280 --> 02:49:58,320
and even I mean, even bring them down a

4429
02:49:58,320 --> 02:49:59,680
little bit,

4430
02:49:59,680 --> 02:50:00,600
I just feel like that would

4431
02:50:00,600 --> 02:50:02,480
>> a like what would we be talking about?

4432
02:50:02,480 --> 02:50:03,960
What are the hours now? What is it Right

4433
02:50:03,960 --> 02:50:05,880
now it operates from 11:00 a.m. to 7:00

4434
02:50:05,880 --> 02:50:07,400
p.m. Monday through Saturday.

4435
02:50:07,400 --> 02:50:09,680
>> let's go from that. Noon to 6:00.

4436
02:50:09,680 --> 02:50:11,000
>> other day or something. or something. I

4437
02:50:11,000 --> 02:50:12,360
don't I don't know. I'm just saying.

4438
02:50:12,360 --> 02:50:13,160
>> 6:00 on the weekend.

4439
02:50:13,160 --> 02:50:14,400
>> I think every other day would you just

4440
02:50:14,400 --> 02:50:16,640
get confusing to people. I I If we're

4441
02:50:16,640 --> 02:50:17,760
going to If we're going to do something,

4442
02:50:17,760 --> 02:50:20,120
I'd rather have a a consistent cycle

4443
02:50:20,120 --> 02:50:22,360
every day, whether it's noon to 6:00,

4444
02:50:22,360 --> 02:50:24,400
noon to 5:00, noon to 6:00.

4445
02:50:24,400 --> 02:50:26,040
Noon to 4:00.

4446
02:50:26,040 --> 02:50:27,560
What if we only did Saturdays or

4447
02:50:27,560 --> 02:50:29,040
something? Cuz I was thinking kind of

4448
02:50:29,040 --> 02:50:30,800
along the same lines as as council

4449
02:50:30,800 --> 02:50:33,480
member Blackham McBride that maybe if we

4450
02:50:33,480 --> 02:50:34,920
could just limit it cuz it does also

4451
02:50:34,920 --> 02:50:37,840
serves like us regular a circulatory

4452
02:50:37,840 --> 02:50:39,960
function with our Yeah. water as well,

4453
02:50:39,960 --> 02:50:41,400
right?

4454
02:50:41,400 --> 02:50:44,320
Yeah, one of one of the

4455
02:50:44,320 --> 02:50:46,640
purposes of that is just to assist with

4456
02:50:46,640 --> 02:50:50,320
circulating water through the system. Um

4457
02:50:50,320 --> 02:50:52,240
right now

4458
02:50:52,240 --> 02:50:55,280
anticipating a potential closure of it,

4459
02:50:55,280 --> 02:50:56,600
we've

4460
02:50:56,600 --> 02:50:58,120
modified

4461
02:50:58,120 --> 02:51:00,160
schedules with the water department so

4462
02:51:00,160 --> 02:51:02,280
that we're not dependent on that this

4463
02:51:02,280 --> 02:51:03,320
year.

4464
02:51:03,320 --> 02:51:04,760
But it's it's one of those efficiencies

4465
02:51:04,760 --> 02:51:06,760
that we talked about, "Hey, we can we

4466
02:51:06,760 --> 02:51:12,920
can get some circulation here without a lot of finagling."

4467
02:51:12,920 --> 02:51:15,400
Is it not Sunday? Somebody said Monday

4468
02:51:15,400 --> 02:51:17,160
through Saturday. Well, so what the

4469
02:51:17,160 --> 02:51:18,960
splash pad just so people are also aware

4470
02:51:18,960 --> 02:51:22,120
the splash pad was a a donation by a

4471
02:51:22,120 --> 02:51:24,720
family and part of the donation that

4472
02:51:24,720 --> 02:51:26,960
they requested when we received the the

4473
02:51:26,960 --> 02:51:29,800
donation was not to operate on Sundays.

4474
02:51:29,800 --> 02:51:30,080
Okay.

4475
02:51:30,080 --> 02:51:32,000
>> And so that's we're honoring that

4476
02:51:32,000 --> 02:51:34,600
donation that the family was like think

4477
02:51:34,600 --> 02:51:37,000
$400,000 that they donated for the

4478
02:51:37,000 --> 02:51:39,640
splash pad and so we're honoring that

4479
02:51:39,640 --> 02:51:41,480
request by the family that made the

4480
02:51:41,480 --> 02:51:43,200
donation not to operate on Sundays. So

4481
02:51:43,200 --> 02:51:47,200
that's why it doesn't was because it it was donated

4482
02:51:47,200 --> 02:51:48,000
when it was constructed.

4483
02:51:48,000 --> 02:51:49,560
>> My recommendation for now would be to

4484
02:51:49,560 --> 02:51:51,440
cut out two hours

4485
02:51:51,440 --> 02:51:53,520
of the day. So what? 12:00 to 4:00?

4486
02:51:53,520 --> 02:51:54,840
Yeah, go No, go

4487
02:51:54,840 --> 02:51:56,400
>> allowed It's currently in its in its

4488
02:51:56,400 --> 02:51:58,160
normal operating it's 11:00 to 7:00.

4489
02:51:58,160 --> 02:52:00,400
>> Go 12:00 to 6:00.

4490
02:52:00,400 --> 02:52:02,040
How much water do we

4491
02:52:02,040 --> 02:52:03,480
go through?

4492
02:52:03,480 --> 02:52:05,040
How much do you usually go through to we

4493
02:52:05,040 --> 02:52:06,600
circulate like you were saying. I mean,

4494
02:52:06,600 --> 02:52:07,040
can we just

4495
02:52:07,040 --> 02:52:08,480
>> 6,000 gallon.

4496
02:52:08,480 --> 02:52:10,000
Well, I know the whole thing uses it,

4497
02:52:10,000 --> 02:52:11,520
but I'm saying

4498
02:52:11,520 --> 02:52:13,040
to flush the system and everything else,

4499
02:52:13,040 --> 02:52:16,040
how much water is that versus water that

4500
02:52:16,040 --> 02:52:18,600
just gets more or less wasted?

4501
02:52:18,600 --> 02:52:19,840
Um

4502
02:52:19,840 --> 02:52:23,440
so we don't end up wasting the water

4503
02:52:23,440 --> 02:52:25,000
with the work around that we're doing

4504
02:52:25,000 --> 02:52:25,320
right now.

4505
02:52:25,320 --> 02:52:27,400
>> Wrong terminology there. Um what we do

4506
02:52:27,400 --> 02:52:28,920
is we just

4507
02:52:28,920 --> 02:52:31,880
operate our tanks differently. You know,

4508
02:52:31,880 --> 02:52:34,040
they they might fill up

4509
02:52:34,040 --> 02:52:37,280
and empty on a different schedule

4510
02:52:37,280 --> 02:52:40,120
and and redirecting water in different

4511
02:52:40,120 --> 02:52:42,950
ways that

4512
02:52:42,960 --> 02:52:44,640
just trying to maintain high water

4513
02:52:44,640 --> 02:52:46,200
quality,

4514
02:52:46,200 --> 02:52:47,840
keep water moving as quickly as

4515
02:52:47,840 --> 02:52:57,440
possible. So, I don't think there's a a waste of of water that's taking

4516
02:52:57,440 --> 02:52:58,640
place.

4517
02:52:58,640 --> 02:53:00,280
Admittedly,

4518
02:53:00,280 --> 02:53:04,240
a large part of this is an optics thing.

4519
02:53:04,240 --> 02:53:04,880
Um

4520
02:53:04,880 --> 02:53:07,080
we're we don't own the irrigation

4521
02:53:07,080 --> 02:53:11,040
systems within Kaysville. And and as we

4522
02:53:11,040 --> 02:53:12,840
interact with the public and encourage

4523
02:53:12,840 --> 02:53:14,720
them, hey, let's let's do our part.

4524
02:53:14,720 --> 02:53:17,000
Let's try and see this irrigation season

4525
02:53:17,000 --> 02:53:20,320
go as long as possible. Um

4526
02:53:20,320 --> 02:53:24,040
A lot of the feedback that we get is if

4527
02:53:24,040 --> 02:53:26,440
the city's not doing something,

4528
02:53:26,440 --> 02:53:27,960
the last person I want talking to me

4529
02:53:27,960 --> 02:53:29,720
about what I should do is the city

4530
02:53:29,720 --> 02:53:31,360
themselves. So,

4531
02:53:31,360 --> 02:53:36,000
um to to that regard, I I admire Cole

4532
02:53:36,000 --> 02:53:37,800
and his department pursuing, you know,

4533
02:53:37,800 --> 02:53:39,600
hey, this is non-functional turf. We're

4534
02:53:39,600 --> 02:53:41,440
going to pursue rebates to tear it out

4535
02:53:41,440 --> 02:53:42,440
or we're going to let some of these

4536
02:53:42,440 --> 02:53:45,120
non-functional areas start browning

4537
02:53:45,120 --> 02:53:47,080
and prioritize other places ahead of

4538
02:53:47,080 --> 02:53:48,040
them.

4539
02:53:48,040 --> 02:53:52,070
So,

4540
02:53:52,080 --> 02:53:54,320
12 to 5.

4541
02:53:54,320 --> 02:53:55,680
Hey, are we ready for a motion or are we

4542
02:53:55,680 --> 02:53:56,440
still discussing?

4543
02:53:56,440 --> 02:53:57,560
>> want to Go ahead.

4544
02:53:57,560 --> 02:53:58,840
>> I want to hear from the other two

4545
02:53:58,840 --> 02:54:00,640
council members or Abby kind of

4546
02:54:00,640 --> 02:54:02,040
mentioned myself. I want to make a few

4547
02:54:02,040 --> 02:54:07,200
comments. Um I think it's smart to

4548
02:54:07,200 --> 02:54:08,960
make adjustments cuz it gets the city

4549
02:54:08,960 --> 02:54:12,880
talking. And the vast majority

4550
02:54:12,880 --> 02:54:14,600
everything we put on our lawns does not

4551
02:54:14,600 --> 02:54:16,360
make it to the Great Salt Lake. Drinking

4552
02:54:16,360 --> 02:54:17,800
water does.

4553
02:54:17,800 --> 02:54:20,600
And and so

4554
02:54:20,600 --> 02:54:23,080
um I I think this will

4555
02:54:23,080 --> 02:54:24,920
really highlight to the city that

4556
02:54:24,920 --> 02:54:27,800
everyone needs to save water in their in

4557
02:54:27,800 --> 02:54:29,880
their yards and whatnot, but I do

4558
02:54:29,880 --> 02:54:32,320
sympathize with families. Uh my little

4559
02:54:32,320 --> 02:54:34,680
girl loves that splash pad.

4560
02:54:34,680 --> 02:54:35,640
Um

4561
02:54:35,640 --> 02:54:37,840
I I don't feel comfortable keeping it

4562
02:54:37,840 --> 02:54:39,560
open every day.

4563
02:54:39,560 --> 02:54:42,000
Um I liked where Council member Hunt was

4564
02:54:42,000 --> 02:54:44,560
going. I think if we were to

4565
02:54:44,560 --> 02:54:47,880
maybe find a compromise,

4566
02:54:47,880 --> 02:54:49,560
maybe 10:00 to 2:00

4567
02:54:49,560 --> 02:54:51,440
during the week. It gets very hot at

4568
02:54:51,440 --> 02:54:52,840
3:00 and 4:00.

4569
02:54:52,840 --> 02:54:54,520
3 hours a day,

4570
02:54:54,520 --> 02:54:56,520
middle of the day, I think you'd get a

4571
02:54:56,520 --> 02:54:57,880
lot of people that just come for that

4572
02:54:57,880 --> 02:54:59,760
time period, or maybe just keeping it

4573
02:54:59,760 --> 02:55:02,320
for Fridays and Saturdays.

4574
02:55:02,320 --> 02:55:03,520
Um

4575
02:55:03,520 --> 02:55:05,720
Problem is is you get something and you

4576
02:55:05,720 --> 02:55:08,640
open it such limited hours, then you get

4577
02:55:08,640 --> 02:55:10,360
instead of 100 people going there

4578
02:55:10,360 --> 02:55:12,000
throughout the day, you get 100 people

4579
02:55:12,000 --> 02:55:15,760
there for 2 hours and it just creates a

4580
02:55:15,760 --> 02:55:18,960
more unpleasant experience in your part.

4581
02:55:18,960 --> 02:55:20,320
>> Oh.

4582
02:55:20,320 --> 02:55:21,680
Fridays and Saturdays, I don't mind

4583
02:55:21,680 --> 02:55:23,120
that, but I I don't think we need to

4584
02:55:23,120 --> 02:55:24,840
have it open every day, and

4585
02:55:24,840 --> 02:55:27,200
I just I think we need to really buckle

4586
02:55:27,200 --> 02:55:30,000
up and save this year. So. Part of what

4587
02:55:30,000 --> 02:55:33,840
we do is we're open to, you know, our recommendation was to close it, but

4588
02:55:33,840 --> 02:55:35,800
we're certainly that's why I mean it's a

4589
02:55:35,800 --> 02:55:36,960
good discussion. We're open to You can

4590
02:55:36,960 --> 02:55:39,800
take it both ways. I'd rather just not

4591
02:55:39,800 --> 02:55:42,920
jump and make a huge change, but do

4592
02:55:42,920 --> 02:55:44,720
something and say, you know, put signs

4593
02:55:44,720 --> 02:55:46,680
up, we've limited the hours, we've taken

4594
02:55:46,680 --> 02:55:49,440
2 hours off a day, or whatever, rather

4595
02:55:49,440 --> 02:55:51,600
than I I hate

4596
02:55:51,600 --> 02:55:52,920
I don't want to panic. That's what I

4597
02:55:52,920 --> 02:55:54,640
just don't want to jump, you know, I I

4598
02:55:54,640 --> 02:55:56,520
think we're making good use of the

4599
02:55:56,520 --> 02:55:58,760
water. I mean, it's moving down, it's

4600
02:55:58,760 --> 02:56:00,840
going back into the system.

4601
02:56:00,840 --> 02:56:02,880
And literally, it's going back into a

4602
02:56:02,880 --> 02:56:04,200
pipe that's going to go out onto the

4603
02:56:04,200 --> 02:56:05,840
lawns that would be going onto the lawns

4604
02:56:05,840 --> 02:56:07,920
anyway. We just get to use it first for

4605
02:56:07,920 --> 02:56:09,360
a little bit.

4606
02:56:09,360 --> 02:56:10,400
Um

4607
02:56:10,400 --> 02:56:12,360
I I don't know. I I just think it's one

4608
02:56:12,360 --> 02:56:14,960
of those deals. We We got some part of

4609
02:56:14,960 --> 02:56:16,600
what we provide is a splash pad in the

4610
02:56:16,600 --> 02:56:18,080
community. It's part of our community.

4611
02:56:18,080 --> 02:56:19,520
We provide those types of things. It

4612
02:56:19,520 --> 02:56:22,320
doesn't cost them anything other than,

4613
02:56:22,320 --> 02:56:24,240
you know, operating it, taking their

4614
02:56:24,240 --> 02:56:26,080
kids down there, and then a little bit

4615
02:56:26,080 --> 02:56:27,520
of maintenance that you got to still do

4616
02:56:27,520 --> 02:56:29,480
at the park anyway. Would you like to

4617
02:56:29,480 --> 02:56:33,320
make a motion? I'll make a motion. Okay.

4618
02:56:33,320 --> 02:56:36,057
After I make a comment. Okay. Okay.

4619
02:56:36,057 --> 02:56:36,760
>> [laughter]

4620
02:56:36,760 --> 02:56:39,320
>> No, I just I I I'm I don't want to make

4621
02:56:39,320 --> 02:56:40,880
the motion if I kind of get a bunch of

4622
02:56:40,880 --> 02:56:41,960
like

4623
02:56:41,960 --> 02:56:43,240
faces.

4624
02:56:43,240 --> 02:56:45,200
Um I was just thinking like, you know,

4625
02:56:45,200 --> 02:56:46,680
sometimes

4626
02:56:46,680 --> 02:56:48,160
looking at it theoretically like a

4627
02:56:48,160 --> 02:56:50,760
weekend, you could say Sunday and Monday

4628
02:56:50,760 --> 02:56:52,960
are the days that it's off.

4629
02:56:52,960 --> 02:56:54,440
So, you could just say Tuesday through

4630
02:56:54,440 --> 02:56:59,480
Saturday it's open from noon to 6:00. Noon to You know,

4631
02:56:59,480 --> 02:57:01,520
that's taking 2 hours off, and it's

4632
02:57:01,520 --> 02:57:05,200
taking 1 day away.

4633
02:57:05,200 --> 02:57:07,520
And I think that's a pretty easy thing

4634
02:57:07,520 --> 02:57:10,000
to like advertise. Just like, "Hey, it's

4635
02:57:10,000 --> 02:57:12,800
open Tuesday through Saturday

4636
02:57:12,800 --> 02:57:15,680
noon to 6:00." Okay, this is the worst

4637
02:57:15,680 --> 02:57:18,160
water year in my entire life. Like, it

4638
02:57:18,160 --> 02:57:19,280
is really bad.

4639
02:57:19,280 --> 02:57:21,120
>> Mhm. And

4640
02:57:21,120 --> 02:57:23,320
I think it's reckless for the city to

4641
02:57:23,320 --> 02:57:25,680
keep it open that much. I really do. I

4642
02:57:25,680 --> 02:57:27,480
feel strongly about this. So, you're

4643
02:57:27,480 --> 02:57:30,200
saying noon to 5:00, you're saying? I

4644
02:57:30,200 --> 02:57:31,960
mean, it gets hot at 6:00. It's like

4645
02:57:31,960 --> 02:57:33,400
that's the peak heat, you know?

4646
02:57:33,400 --> 02:57:35,560
>> water evaporates. We're literally losing

4647
02:57:35,560 --> 02:57:37,440
>> a motion, and if it if it fails, it

4648
02:57:37,440 --> 02:57:39,080
fails. I'll make a motion that we keep

4649
02:57:39,080 --> 02:57:40,720
the splash pad open Tuesday through

4650
02:57:40,720 --> 02:57:42,960
Saturday from uh

4651
02:57:42,960 --> 02:57:45,800
11:00 to No, 11:00 to 7:00 was what it

4652
02:57:45,800 --> 02:57:47,880
was. 11:00 to 7:00, noon to noon to

4653
02:57:47,880 --> 02:57:51,000
6:00. I'll second. Yeah. Tuesday through

4654
02:57:51,000 --> 02:57:51,680
Saturday

4655
02:57:51,680 --> 02:57:53,240
>> is a work item. Do we have to move this

4656
02:57:53,240 --> 02:57:54,200
to an action item?

4657
02:57:54,200 --> 02:57:57,520
>> Oh, sorry. I think we're just looking for direction

4658
02:57:57,520 --> 02:58:00,880
from a city council standpoint cuz

4659
02:58:00,880 --> 02:58:02,280
uh correct me if I'm wrong. Well, if it

4660
02:58:02,280 --> 02:58:03,680
was a work item, that would be my

4661
02:58:03,680 --> 02:58:05,640
motion.

4662
02:58:05,640 --> 02:58:08,360
We've typically treated work items as a

4663
02:58:08,360 --> 02:58:10,160
chance for you to preview them, but if

4664
02:58:10,160 --> 02:58:11,720
you want to give us

4665
02:58:11,720 --> 02:58:12,840
direction

4666
02:58:12,840 --> 02:58:14,640
>> Okay. I think a motion on how it's open

4667
02:58:14,640 --> 02:58:15,800
is fine. If you don't want to see it

4668
02:58:15,800 --> 02:58:17,680
back Okay, so we have a motion. We have

4669
02:58:17,680 --> 02:58:19,280
a second. Okay.

4670
02:58:19,280 --> 02:58:21,160
Councilmember McBride.

4671
02:58:21,160 --> 02:58:24,040
Aye.

4672
02:58:24,040 --> 02:58:26,120
Nay. I think it's way too long too too

4673
02:58:26,120 --> 02:58:27,720
much water way too long.

4674
02:58:27,720 --> 02:58:30,800
Nay. Aye.

4675
02:58:30,800 --> 02:58:33,520
Can we readdress this like July or

4676
02:58:33,520 --> 02:58:35,240
August or something?

4677
02:58:35,240 --> 02:58:36,320
I would

4678
02:58:36,320 --> 02:58:38,480
I think that's a good idea. Yeah,

4679
02:58:38,480 --> 02:58:40,720
this came after a discussion

4680
02:58:40,720 --> 02:58:44,440
with Scott Purcell at Benchland.

4681
02:58:44,440 --> 02:58:46,200
I don't think he's trying to be Chicken

4682
02:58:46,200 --> 02:58:48,120
Little. He's just like, "Hey, you know,

4683
02:58:48,120 --> 02:58:49,640
it is not outside the realm of

4684
02:58:49,640 --> 02:58:52,400
possibility that come August

4685
02:58:52,400 --> 02:58:53,560
we're done.

4686
02:58:53,560 --> 02:58:54,520
And

4687
02:58:54,520 --> 02:58:56,360
that's when the discussion really took

4688
02:58:56,360 --> 02:58:58,200
off with us of

4689
02:58:58,200 --> 02:59:00,920
So, you know, as the summer progresses,

4690
02:59:00,920 --> 02:59:02,480
I think that's appropriate to have an

4691
02:59:02,480 --> 02:59:04,400
opportunity for additional discussions.

4692
02:59:04,400 --> 02:59:06,120
I appreciate that. I mean, I appreciate

4693
02:59:06,120 --> 02:59:07,760
everything you guys are doing and trying

4694
02:59:07,760 --> 02:59:09,240
to be conservative and everything else.

4695
02:59:09,240 --> 02:59:10,640
So.

4696
02:59:10,640 --> 02:59:12,840
And I I would say also be where where it

4697
02:59:12,840 --> 02:59:14,720
was a work item and it was giving you

4698
02:59:14,720 --> 02:59:16,360
direction

4699
02:59:16,360 --> 02:59:18,400
that it's appropriate to say that maybe

4700
02:59:18,400 --> 02:59:22,480
we would be okay readdressing it in

4701
02:59:22,480 --> 02:59:26,000
July or you know, mid-June or whenever

4702
02:59:26,000 --> 02:59:28,360
you guys feel appropriate. Well, you

4703
02:59:28,360 --> 02:59:29,760
know, we're in constant communication

4704
02:59:29,760 --> 02:59:31,960
with public works and Josh so as far as

4705
02:59:31,960 --> 02:59:34,200
that so we we monitor and it's you know,

4706
02:59:34,200 --> 02:59:35,520
we just felt like

4707
02:59:35,520 --> 02:59:39,160
opportunity to do our Bring it back.

4708
02:59:39,160 --> 02:59:41,320
Be great. It gets dire and you feel

4709
02:59:41,320 --> 02:59:42,800
uncomfortable, bring it back. And just

4710
02:59:42,800 --> 02:59:44,080
so you know, none of our parks have

4711
02:59:44,080 --> 02:59:46,760
irrigated. We are honoring the November

4712
02:59:46,760 --> 02:59:48,600
or the May 15th day so we are doing our

4713
02:59:48,600 --> 02:59:51,680
part as Josh mentioned to conserve.

4714
02:59:51,680 --> 02:59:53,200
Are these hours of Tuesday through

4715
02:59:53,200 --> 02:59:55,880
Saturday confusing? No, I think that

4716
02:59:55,880 --> 02:59:57,560
>> that okay? I think we if if it went like

4717
02:59:57,560 --> 03:00:00,400
an every other day or a you know, that

4718
03:00:00,400 --> 03:00:02,080
gets really confusing but if it's a a

4719
03:00:02,080 --> 03:00:04,560
schedule That's we can we can do it.

4720
03:00:04,560 --> 03:00:05,480
>> We can broadcast that. We can make

4721
03:00:05,480 --> 03:00:07,400
signage Okay. at the splash pad so

4722
03:00:07,400 --> 03:00:09,080
Tuesday through Saturday. Tuesday

4723
03:00:09,080 --> 03:00:11,440
through Saturday noon to 6:00 no

4724
03:00:11,440 --> 03:00:13,960
speedos. Okay. So,

4725
03:00:13,960 --> 03:00:16,320
Councilmember Hunt was a no. You are Do

4726
03:00:16,320 --> 03:00:18,400
we keep voting? I can't remember. We

4727
03:00:18,400 --> 03:00:20,520
finished. We all voted. We finished.

4728
03:00:20,520 --> 03:00:22,320
Okay. Motion passed 3 to 2.

4729
03:00:22,320 --> 03:00:25,280
>> for Josh McBride. No, we We've done. You voted, too?

4730
03:00:25,280 --> 03:00:27,160
>> Yeah, I said yeah. Okay. Motion carries.

4731
03:00:27,160 --> 03:00:28,880
Got you. Thanks. All right, we're done.

4732
03:00:28,880 --> 03:00:30,240
7 minutes to 10.

4733
03:00:30,240 --> 03:00:32,880
>> Okay. Anyone have anyone a council

4734
03:00:32,880 --> 03:00:34,760
member report? You better not. I'm just

4735
03:00:34,760 --> 03:00:35,960
kidding. I want to tell [laughter] you

4736
03:00:35,960 --> 03:00:38,520
about actually I'm just kidding.

4737
03:00:38,520 --> 03:00:41,029
You better not have anything to report.

4738
03:00:41,029 --> 03:00:42,080
>> [sighs]

4739
03:00:42,080 --> 03:00:44,080
>> Anything?

4740
03:00:44,080 --> 03:00:44,960
Okay.

4741
03:00:44,960 --> 03:00:45,560
>> [laughter]

4742
03:00:45,560 --> 03:00:47,760
>> Jason's like Okay. Okay, Jason,

4743
03:00:47,760 --> 03:00:48,960
anything?

4744
03:00:48,960 --> 03:00:51,000
Okay. All right. We are hitting our

4745
03:00:51,000 --> 03:00:53,520
10:00 hour, so motion to adjourn would

4746
03:00:53,520 --> 03:00:55,000
be appropriate because then we have a

4747
03:00:55,000 --> 03:00:56,600
closed session. Do we need to make a

4748
03:00:56,600 --> 03:00:58,160
motion to extend even though we have a

4749
03:00:58,160 --> 03:00:59,680
closed session? I'll make a motion that

4750
03:00:59,680 --> 03:01:02,520
we extend past the 10:00

4751
03:01:02,520 --> 03:01:07,440
until possibly 11:30.

4752
03:01:07,440 --> 03:01:09,000
I second.

4753
03:01:09,000 --> 03:01:12,320
All in favor? Aye. Aye.

4754
03:01:12,320 --> 03:01:14,360
Motion to adjourn? No, motion to go into

4755
03:01:14,360 --> 03:01:14,800
closed

4756
03:01:14,800 --> 03:01:17,280
>> Motion into go into closed session. All

4757
03:01:17,280 --> 03:01:17,880
in favor?

4758
03:01:17,880 --> 03:01:19,480
>> everybody for your Aye.

4759
03:01:19,480 --> 03:01:20,800
>> Thank you, everyone. Thank you for being

4760
03:01:20,800 --> 03:01:22,680
here.

4761
03:01:22,680 --> 03:01:24,320
He did. He did make a motion. She He

4762
03:01:24,320 --> 03:01:27,080
made a motion to go into closed session.

4763
03:01:27,080 --> 03:01:29,760
Uh the uh Yeah.

4764
03:01:29,760 --> 03:01:31,560
>> And we're going to actually a closed

4765
03:01:31,560 --> 03:01:32,240
session, right?

4766
03:01:32,240 --> 03:01:34,760
>> Closed session. Yeah. Closed.

4767
03:01:34,760 --> 03:01:37,320
Uh Josh Josh seconded it.

4768
03:01:37,320 --> 03:01:37,880
Um

4769
03:01:37,880 --> 03:01:41,000
>> You did. I'll just say I did. Yeah.

4770
03:01:41,000 --> 03:01:42,760
Motion Motion to go into a closed

4771
03:01:42,760 --> 03:01:44,840
session. And I'll second it. All in

4772
03:01:44,840 --> 03:01:48,485
favor? Aye.

4773
03:01:48,495 --> 03:01:49,920
» [laughter]

4774
03:01:49,920 --> 03:02:06,910
>> During this

4775
03:02:06,920 --> 03:02:08,400
Made everybody look at my rock. Look at

4776
03:02:08,400 --> 03:02:13,470
my rock.

4777
03:02:13,480 --> 03:02:15,351
Yeah, look at this pencil I found.

4778
03:02:15,351 --> 03:02:15,400
>> [laughter]

4779
03:02:15,400 --> 03:02:17,000
>> Where did you discover this pencil? Look

4780
03:02:17,000 --> 03:02:18,880
at this stick I found.

4781
03:02:18,880 --> 03:02:20,880
What is this pencil? A rock and a brass

4782
03:02:20,880 --> 03:02:26,270
one. I saw a real I saw a rock.

4783
03:02:26,280 --> 03:02:31,230
You forgot to bring props. Sorry.

4784
03:02:31,240 --> 03:02:33,800
No, hold me up, bud.

4785
03:02:33,800 --> 03:02:35,200
I'm going to grab a sandwich. Grab a

4786
03:02:35,200 --> 03:02:36,880
sandwich before the cool session.

4787
03:02:36,880 --> 03:02:40,670
Sure.

4788
03:02:40,680 --> 03:02:43,480
I need to use the restroom. So do I.

4789
03:02:43,480 --> 03:02:45,280
You better go use the restroom. Yeah, I

4790
03:02:45,280 --> 03:02:46,960
would use that, too. Good job. That was

4791
03:02:46,960 --> 03:02:48,880
good. I think I was good.

4792
03:02:48,880 --> 03:02:49,480
Yeah.

4793
03:02:49,480 --> 03:02:51,520
I mean it.

4794
03:02:51,520 --> 03:02:53,000
Thank you for participating.

4795
03:02:53,000 --> 03:02:56,390
Yeah.

4796
03:02:56,400 --> 03:02:58,240
No, no, I'm glad you said it. You know

4797
03:02:58,240 --> 03:03:01,080
what? Like you you stop and forget about

4798
03:03:01,080 --> 03:03:02,840
kids not having access to a pool or a

4799
03:03:02,840 --> 03:03:04,360
gym.

4800
03:03:04,360 --> 03:04:24,950
I already started.

4801
03:04:24,960 --> 03:04:27,000
» Mhm.