[0:00] Okay. The what? MBA and RDA.
[0:05] Do I not have those? Right here. Is it
[0:06] this one?
[0:11] We purposefully kept them all in this
[0:13] office. Okay, I'm sorry. I just don't
[0:14] see it on my agenda. So we appreciate
[0:15] technology.
[0:18] Okay, let me find it. Just a second.
[0:21] Oh, okay. Thank Thank you everyone for
[0:23] being here. We will start in just a
[0:25] minute. We have two meetings before our regularly scheduled council meeting.
[0:31] So let me
[0:32] get my iPad to work here.
[0:34] So I can figure out what we're doing.
[0:40] Um
[0:44] Okay.
[0:51] Come on, internet.
[0:56] Okay.
[0:59] Welcome to the Municipal Building
[1:02] Authority of Kaysville City.
[1:04] Uh today is May Thursday, May 7th, 2026.
[1:08] It is
[1:09] 6:55 p.m. The agenda shall be as
[1:13] follows. We'll have an opening,
[1:15] an adoption of fiscal year 2027
[1:18] tentative MBA budget and setting of
[1:21] public hearing, and then we'll have an
[1:23] adjournment. So the opening will be
[1:25] provided by
[1:31] Oh, I just opened the meeting. The
[1:33] meeting is now open.
[1:35] Thank you. All right. I will turn the
[1:37] mic over to
[1:40] Jason, our city manager. Perfect.
[1:43] Uh all right, Mayor and Council, thank
[1:44] you. Um so, this is just uh we broke
[1:48] these items out to be uh even more
[1:50] clear.
[1:51] Uh in the past, we kind of had this as
[1:53] one tentative budget item,
[1:54] but um
[1:56] just really quickly, Municipal Building
[1:59] Authority, the MBA fund, is set up
[2:01] specifically to handle debt service on
[2:04] our bonds for for buildings. So, we have
[2:06] two buildings in the city that are
[2:08] currently being paid off. The police
[2:10] station bond, which retires in 2031, and
[2:13] the City Hall bond that retires in 2034.
[2:17] Um so, you can see there that the total
[2:19] revenues into this fund are 722,000.
[2:23] Um it the City Hall building is paid
[2:27] off, or the revenues there from
[2:29] transfers in from the general fund.
[2:31] That's the MBA lease revenue, and then
[2:33] the 478,000
[2:36] you see in the
[2:38] 2027 budget,
[2:40] that's uh from police impact fee funds
[2:44] that that go into basically pay for the
[2:47] uh police bond. But, again,
[2:50] um
[2:51] those pretty straightforward budget,
[2:53] really. Uh
[2:54] any
[2:56] questions? Okay, Council, do we have any
[2:58] questions?
[3:01] No lights or lights. Okay. All right.
[3:05] Then, we need to I would be prepared for
[3:08] a motion.
[3:12] I'll make a motion that we approve the
[3:16] tentative Municipal Building Authority
[3:18] Fund budget for fiscal year 2027.
[3:22] Okay, thank you, Councilmember Hunt. Do
[3:24] we have a second?
[3:25] All right, we do. Councilmember
[3:27] Adams.
[3:28] >> Aye. Aye.
[3:30] Aye.
[3:32] >> [clears throat]
[3:33] >> No. I think that's
[3:34] Okay, motion carries. Thank you.
[3:36] Um
[3:38] Would someone like to make a motion to
[3:39] adjourn this meeting?
[3:41] Motion to adjourn. Okay, all in favor?
[3:43] Aye. Great, thank you. That is meeting
[3:45] number one.
[3:47] Um let me scroll down here.
[3:52] Okay.
[3:54] The next meeting that we have on the
[3:55] agenda is Let me find it.
[4:07] Yeah, I'm looking for my notes on it.
[4:14] Okay.
[4:16] This is a meeting for the Redevelopment
[4:19] Agency in Kaysville.
[4:21] Today is August 30 August Sorry, today
[4:24] is May Thursday, May 7th, 2026,
[4:27] and we are in the Council Chambers, and
[4:29] we are having a meeting to address the
[4:31] Redevelopment Agency Board. So, now we
[4:33] are board members.
[4:35] The agenda shall be as follows. I'm
[4:37] opening the meeting. We'll have an
[4:38] adoption of fiscal year 2027 tentative
[4:42] RDA budget and setting a public hearing,
[4:44] and then we will adjourn.
[4:46] Jason. Thank you, Mayor. Um
[4:49] So, the Redevelopment Agency fund or RDA
[4:53] is specifically set up to collect
[4:55] revenues from the Smith's Marketplace
[4:57] project, the Flint Street um
[5:00] uh
[5:01] district.
[5:02] And uh
[5:04] we get $130,000
[5:06] a year in uh tax increment financing
[5:09] from that project. That goes into this
[5:12] fund. Um that was a fund that was
[5:14] created in
[5:16] 2014 or a project that was created in
[5:18] 2014. So, it will close out in 2028. So,
[5:22] we continue to get 130,000 or so each
[5:24] year
[5:25] uh that goes into this fund. Um we
[5:28] haven't traditionally spent really much
[5:29] of that money. Um it's been building up.
[5:32] Uh
[5:33] And there's a
[5:35] close to It's over a million dollars
[5:36] now, but right now we've got budgeted
[5:39] 70,000. That could be used for
[5:41] consulting fees if you wanted to look at
[5:43] other types of projects potentially um
[5:46] related to uh RDA.
[5:49] So,
[5:50] that
[5:51] another straightforward, I think, budget
[5:53] unless there's any questions.
[5:55] Okay, thank you, Jason. Council, do you
[5:57] have any questions regarding this
[5:58] account?
[6:01] I guess my only question would be if
[6:03] this money is not spent on a project
[6:06] before it expires, what happens to it?
[6:07] Just for public information. That's a
[6:09] great question. So, there's been recent
[6:11] legislation at the state level on how do
[6:14] you use RDA fund balance, and it's our
[6:17] understanding that
[6:19] we have to use that money
[6:22] for costs related specifically to the project that it was created for, in
[6:28] this case, Flint Street project,
[6:30] Smith's.
[6:31] Um, and
[6:34] long story is we we initially spent a
[6:36] lot of money out of the general fund to
[6:39] get that project going, doing
[6:41] public infrastructure improvements, you
[6:43] know, widening Flint Street, adding side
[6:45] sidewalks, utilities, power lines,
[6:46] street lights. Um, did some storm water
[6:49] improvements over there, and
[6:52] we work we are currently going through
[6:54] the process to try to reimburse
[6:55] ourselves for that using some of this
[6:56] fund balance.
[6:58] Another possible use for that fund
[6:59] balance would be
[7:01] to do other projects that support the
[7:04] Flint Street project, such as
[7:06] widening other sections of Flint Street
[7:08] that are tied there, adding sidewalks,
[7:10] things like that.
[7:11] But, in answer to your question,
[7:13] whatever's left over that we don't use
[7:15] for the project, our understanding is we
[7:17] would have to turn back, and it would be
[7:19] given back to the taxing entities that
[7:21] it came from, school district, even
[7:23] ourselves. So,
[7:25] Okay, so currently our plans are to
[7:27] reimburse some of those costs, right,
[7:29] that we've incurred.
[7:31] Okay, and that will probably
[7:34] create a That alone might use up the
[7:37] whole amount, frankly, if we wanted to,
[7:39] for For just fix up Flint Street.
[7:42] Everyone that's driven Flint Street
[7:43] knows that there's still lots of areas
[7:44] that need to be improved, widened,
[7:47] sidewalk needed, things like that. So,
[7:49] that's a certainly a possibility. When
[7:52] would the When would a project like that
[7:53] start potentially?
[7:55] >> still
[7:56] Uh that's a good question for Josh. It
[7:58] takes a little bit of planning for sure.
[8:00] Um right now we're still kind of going
[8:02] through the process of seeing what's
[8:03] what the easy claim is. If we can
[8:05] reimburse ourselves some of that, that's the best cuz it's unrestricted.
[8:09] We just put it right back into the
[8:10] general fund.
[8:11] >> Mhm. Um whatever we're short on still,
[8:14] um then we figure out what kinds of
[8:15] projects we could we could do um
[8:18] that are related. But uh yeah, I'm not
[8:20] sure how quickly we could get a project
[8:22] like that going, honestly. If it was a
[8:23] time-driven thing where we needed to use
[8:25] it by 2028, we'd put it as a high
[8:27] priority. Got you. Thank you. Council
[8:29] member Blackman has a question.
[8:31] >> Um maybe [clears throat] this is for
[8:32] Parker. Um you say there's almost a
[8:35] million dollars there in
[8:36] Yeah, I think it's I forget the amount.
[8:38] >> But I'm just curious why that's not
[8:40] shown on this. Um
[8:42] Yeah, this is just the the year-to-year
[8:44] um
[8:45] revenues and expenditures and
[8:49] uh we don't traditionally show the fund
[8:50] balance on there, but we we I
[8:52] don't know why we couldn't.
[8:54] Um We just show fund balance on most
[8:55] everything else. I just curious why we
[8:57] don't show fund balance here.
[9:01] Yeah.
[9:03] Go ahead, Parker.
[9:04] Yeah.
[9:06] Parker works in our finance department
[9:08] for those watching.
[9:10] Yeah, my name My name's Parker Godwin.
[9:11] I'm the uh deputy finance director.
[9:14] Um
[9:15] I've only been here a year. So, this is
[9:18] right off of our budget sheet. Um I'm
[9:20] not sure why it doesn't show fund
[9:22] balance.
[9:23] Our ACFR into June 2025 is 1,260,464.
[9:30] So, that's the official number.
[9:32] Um obviously between this year and
[9:35] fiscal year 27, um it'll go up.
[9:39] Um
[9:41] but to your to your question, why is it
[9:42] on there? I I don't know. I don't think
[9:44] it's for any other purpose than maybe it
[9:46] hasn't been thought of.
[9:48] >> it's pertinent information. We'd like to
[9:50] have had it. Okay. Thank you. Okay. Yep.
[9:53] We can add that.
[9:54] >> comment
[9:55] Thank you, Parker. Any other questions,
[9:56] Council?
[9:58] Councilmember Jackson. More of a just a
[10:00] comment. It would be my wish that we
[10:02] would
[10:03] reimburse the city for all that we put
[10:05] in there to help Smith get in that
[10:07] development first and foremost. And so
[10:10] Excellent. We We agree.
[10:12] Great. Thank you. Any other questions or
[10:15] comments, Council? No? Okay, then I'll
[10:17] entertain a motion.
[10:20] Uh
[10:21] Um
[10:22] Oh.
[10:23] I'll make a motion that we approve.
[10:26] I'll second. Okay, thank you. We have a
[10:28] motion and a second. Councilmember Hunt.
[10:30] I. I. I. I.
[10:34] Okay, thank you. Motion carries. Would
[10:36] someone like to make a motion to adjourn
[10:37] this meeting?
[10:38] So moved. Okay, all in favor? I.
[10:41] Okay, all right. Wonderful.
[10:44] Okay, everyone. Welcome to Kaysville
[10:46] City Council meeting. Today is Thursday,
[10:48] May 7th, 2026,
[10:51] 5 after 7.
[10:53] The opening will be presented by
[10:54] Councilmember Hunt, who will then lead
[10:56] us in the Pledge of Allegiance, and then
[10:58] we will have call to the public, and
[11:00] I'll explain how that works
[11:01] after the Pledge of Allegiance. Thank
[11:03] you, Councilmember Hunt.
[11:05] Thanks so much for being here. It's
[11:06] always nice to look out and see actual
[11:08] people. Um
[11:10] so I spent some time
[11:13] uh having some introspection because I
[11:15] found myself with all of a sudden a lot
[11:17] of free time recently.
[11:19] Um and I went over a quote that I really
[11:22] like. So I want to share it with you and
[11:23] then kind of talk about it. Um it it's
[11:25] by Theodore Roosevelt. It says, "It is
[11:28] not the critic who counts, not the man
[11:29] who points out how the strong man
[11:31] stumbles or where the doer of deeds
[11:33] could have done better. The credit
[11:34] belongs to the man who is actually in
[11:36] the arena, whose face is marred by dust
[11:38] and sweat and blood, who strives
[11:41] valiantly, who errs and comes up short
[11:43] again and again, because there is no
[11:45] effort without error or shortcoming. But
[11:47] he [clears throat] knows the great
[11:48] enthusiasms, the great devotions, who
[11:51] spends himself for a worthy cause, who
[11:53] at the best knows in the end the triumph
[11:56] of high achievement, and who at the
[11:57] worst, if he fails, at least he fails
[12:00] while daring greatly, so that his place
[12:02] shall never be with those cold and timid
[12:03] souls
[12:05] who knew neither victory nor defeat. Um,
[12:07] and as I was reading it, one of the
[12:09] things that really stood out to me was
[12:10] the line, "Because there is no effort
[12:12] without error or shortcoming." And it
[12:15] really kind of struck me
[12:17] uh, as we've gone through this budget
[12:19] season, um,
[12:20] not because I think any of us are
[12:23] great. I'm I think everyone here is
[12:25] great. I guess I'm trying to say I don't
[12:27] think of myself as some extraordinary
[12:28] man in the arena so much as,
[12:31] you know, everyone in our lives are are
[12:33] the people in the arena doing the things
[12:35] that we do best, doing our best at
[12:37] whatever we try.
[12:38] Um, but the line, "Because there is no
[12:40] effort without error or shortcoming,"
[12:42] just reminded me that,
[12:43] as a council,
[12:45] you know, none of us are perfect. We're
[12:46] all doing our best. Um,
[12:50] and uh,
[12:51] even though we're not perfect, what we
[12:53] all are is passionate about serving the
[12:55] city and trying to find the the balances
[12:58] that we have to between providing
[12:59] services, um, without placing a burden
[13:02] on residents, and just doing the best we
[13:03] can for everyone. So, it was
[13:06] I don't know, it was just a good
[13:07] reminder that, you know, we're all kind
[13:08] of
[13:09] citizen servants up here. We all have
[13:11] our own lives. I was at a wax museum
[13:13] across the street for my third grader
[13:15] today. Everyone was doing their own
[13:17] thing today. Earlier this week we had a
[13:20] 3 and 1/2 hour meeting. Like, we're all
[13:21] living our lives, but we're also willing
[13:23] to to work here and try to give back,
[13:25] and um,
[13:27] and I just it just struck me not because
[13:29] I think, you know, we're all so amazing,
[13:30] but because this government we have is
[13:32] really
[13:33] something special and something
[13:35] worthwhile where we can all talk
[13:36] together and try to come up with solutions
[13:38] together. So, with that, why don't we go
[13:40] ahead and do the pledge? Thank you.
[13:46] I pledge allegiance to the flag of the
[13:49] United States of America and to the
[13:51] republic for which it stands, one nation
[13:55] under God, indivisible, with liberty and
[13:59] justice for all.
[14:05] Thank you.
[14:06] Council member Hunt, thank you for that.
[14:08] I thought that was that was beautiful.
[14:14] All right. Okay, so the next item on the
[14:17] agenda is called call to the public.
[14:20] It's an opportunity for people from the
[14:22] community to come and speak to us for 3
[14:25] minutes about whatever you would like to
[14:26] share. We don't have anyone signed up to
[14:29] speak to call to the public tonight and
[14:30] so we will move on
[14:33] to the next item on the agenda, which is
[14:35] presentations and awards.
[14:37] The first presentation we're always
[14:39] excited about these, but it is a
[14:41] presentation to Kelton Vine for
[14:43] receiving his supervising fire officer
[14:45] designation and I will turn the mic over
[14:48] to Chief Erickson to present this and it
[14:50] is so neat to see so many of our first
[14:52] responders share with us. So, thank you.
[15:00] Mayor, council,
[15:02] city leaders,
[15:03] residents, I thank you for your time
[15:05] this evening.
[15:06] Uh this is probably the best part of my
[15:07] job, to be honest with you.
[15:10] Um
[15:11] Kelton's a uh not only a a very good
[15:14] paramedic and firefighter.
[15:16] Um
[15:18] he's a very professional, dedicated
[15:19] individual to our city.
[15:22] Uh he's been here 9 years
[15:24] uh with us 4 years as a paramedic. He is
[15:26] one of three of our senior medics.
[15:29] Uh,
[15:30] Kelton has earned supervising fire
[15:31] officer designation. That doesn't mean a
[15:33] whole lot to you, but it means to me is
[15:36] about 12 to 15 different certifications,
[15:39] licensures, and
[15:42] almost 2 years of college
[15:44] combined in all these various classes.
[15:47] Um, he's designated chief through his
[15:49] career development classes. He's got a
[15:51] few more steps to go as he climbs the
[15:53] ladder in his profession.
[15:55] Uh, earning supervising fire officer
[15:56] designation, first level of his career
[15:59] like I just spoke about. Uh, please join
[16:01] me and thank Kelton Vine now as a
[16:04] designated fire officer.
[16:06] >> [applause]
[16:19] » Stand here. Here is your plaque.
[16:23] Here, would you like to say something?
[16:24] >> Yes, okay.
[16:26] We would We would love to get a picture
[16:27] with you. And if you have family here,
[16:29] Kelton, that would like a picture, tell
[16:31] them to come up first.
[16:32] >> Yeah, we'll bring them up. Call all the
[16:34] kids up.
[16:35] Family, friends.
[16:37] And then we'll We'll do a council
[16:39] picture. We're super proud of you. Thank
[16:40] you.
[17:06] Okay, great. Our turn.
[17:24] » [laughter]
[18:24] » I love it when we have an audience to
[18:25] celebrate our great employees and great
[18:27] people in our community. So, it's fun.
[18:30] Thanks for being here.
[18:31] Okay, the next item um
[18:34] this individual couldn't make it, so
[18:35] we'll go to C which is recognize
[18:37] recognition of three award recipients
[18:40] from the I Can Make a Difference Program
[18:42] for good sportsmanship. This is always a
[18:44] really exciting award to be able to give
[18:46] to our students. So, cool.
[18:58] Thank you, Mayor and Council. This is a
[19:00] I don't get the opportunity to do this
[19:01] very often. I usually let uh
[19:03] recreation staff handle this, but this
[19:05] is just an exciting thing that we do in
[19:07] our recreation division
[19:08] is sportsmanship.
[19:10] And there's been three individuals that
[19:12] have been nominated nominated for our
[19:14] Junior Jazz [snorts]
[19:15] program. Just to give you a background
[19:17] our Junior Jazz program we serve 1500 uh
[19:20] kids throughout our community from
[19:21] kindergarten all the way up through high
[19:23] school
[19:24] that participate in our basketball
[19:26] program.
[19:27] And these are the three winners that
[19:28] were nominated by their peers. We have a gift card from Boondocks for them and
[19:33] as well as a plaque. But
[19:34] I'm going to call them up one by one and
[19:36] then we'll hand them their plaques
[19:37] afterwards. But if I could have Hunter
[19:38] Felt come up.
[19:43] So cute.
[19:44] >> [applause]
[19:49] » If [applause] you want to If you want to
[19:50] stand right there, let me read um
[19:52] what recreation and what the nominee
[19:53] said about Hunter here.
[19:56] Hunter was nominated uh for uh in quotes
[19:59] There was a boy from the other team that
[20:00] started to cry. Hunter went over to
[20:02] check on him and said it would be all
[20:04] right.
[20:05] High-fived him and then at the end of
[20:06] the game checked back in with him and
[20:08] offered to share his team's snacks with
[20:10] him. That's so sweet. Good job, Hunter.
[20:15] >> If you want to
[20:15] >> [applause]
[20:15] >> stay here for a second Okay. If we could
[20:18] have uh
[20:19] William Mayer come up.
[20:30] Uh William was nominated for
[20:32] uh this is in quotes Will worked so hard
[20:34] during our game today.
[20:36] We were behind a lot by
[20:38] behind a lot with no subs to give anyone
[20:40] on our team a rest. Will ran and ran and
[20:42] never gave up.
[20:43] He didn't show any signs of frustration
[20:45] and kept a good attitude through the
[20:46] entire game even though he must have
[20:48] been completely exhausted. He kept a
[20:50] smile on his face and showed the rest of
[20:52] our team how to keep trying and working
[20:54] even though circumstances were not ideal
[20:57] and the outcome was not what our team
[20:58] hoped for. He showed true positivity and
[21:01] leadership on the court today.
[21:04] Congrats, William.
[21:05] >> [applause]
[21:10] » And then our final if we could have
[21:11] Avery Peterson.
[21:19] » [snorts]
[21:20] >> Uh Avery was nominated from our high
[21:21] school
[21:22] league.
[21:23] Our high school team has four girls who
[21:26] never played and many of the other team
[21:27] members are frustrated and exclude them,
[21:30] but Avery is always smiling at them,
[21:32] passing to them and encouraging them.
[21:35] I truly think she she 100% deserves the
[21:37] good sportsmanship award.
[21:39] AVERY, THANK YOU.
[21:40] >> [applause]
[21:45] >> AND THESE THREE ARE JUST A GREAT EXAMPLE
[21:47] OF what I think recreation sports do for
[21:50] a community is to help people become
[21:52] better and create good citizens. So,
[21:55] we just appreciate your good
[21:56] sportsmanship and would like to award
[21:58] you with these plaques.
[22:09] Hunter
[22:19] And again, there's a gift cards to
[22:21] Boondocks, a bag and then a Junior Jazz
[22:23] or a Jazz t-shirt in there. So, thank
[22:26] you again.
[22:26] >> Thank you. Will you guys stay up here?
[22:28] I I love the fact that we have such a
[22:30] great age groups represented and Will is
[22:33] in my word. So, very very special to me
[22:37] especially. So, congratulations you
[22:38] guys. We would love to get a picture
[22:40] with you. If your families want to come
[22:41] up, we'd love a picture with your
[22:43] families as well. So, families, do you
[22:45] want to come up?
[22:46] Okay. If you're here,
[22:53] Yeah. And then we'll do a picture with
[22:55] you guys. Yeah.
[23:06] » Yeah.
[23:07] jump in.
[23:15] Wow, that's a big family.
[23:18] Eight brothers and sisters here.
[23:27] Okay, cool. And now we'd love to a
[23:29] council picture with
[23:30] >> Yeah.
[23:41] » [snorts]
[24:02] [applause]
[24:23] » All right, thank you. That was really
[24:25] fun. Love being able to recognize our
[24:27] outstanding students and our outstanding
[24:29] employees.
[24:31] And good sportsmanship, you know, is a
[24:34] basis for good citizenship. And so, we
[24:36] appreciate that.
[24:38] Okay, now we have a presentation for the
[24:40] graduating 2025-2026
[24:43] UCity Council members. I will turn the
[24:45] mic over to Council member John Adams
[24:48] and Linda Francis, who is their advisor,
[24:50] their fearless leader.
[24:55] Yeah, so actually if I'm going to switch
[24:57] it this if it's okay with you, Linda,
[24:59] I'd like you to be the one that calls
[25:02] and announces them out. Are you okay to
[25:03] come up and do that? Okay. Is Is that
[25:06] all right, Mayor? I So,
[25:08] Linda
[25:10] is quite possibly the best person on the
[25:13] planet. Um
[25:17] I'm just going to brag her up here. For
[25:19] how many years now?
[25:21] Um
[25:22] 9 and 1/2. 9 and 1/2, so we'll just say
[25:24] 10 years.
[25:25] For 10 years, uh she's been leading this
[25:27] Youth City Council and it was nothing
[25:29] before she came around and now it is
[25:32] it it's the apple of uh what would the
[25:35] apple of our eye? Is that even a thing?
[25:37] It It's the most It We We are like
[25:41] looked upon and everybody's jealous of
[25:43] how great Kaysville Youth City Council
[25:46] is.
[25:47] Um and it's because of Linda and so uh I
[25:50] want to thank her so much. She probably
[25:52] is about done because uh her kids have
[25:55] gone and moved on and um and so we're asking if anybody is interested in
[26:01] coming out. You're going to have big
[26:02] shoes to fill, but there's uh still
[26:05] runway to be had with these young folks.
[26:08] And so we've got some seniors and I'm
[26:09] going to have her uh maybe give them out
[26:12] and then I Since we've only got four of
[26:14] them, I think they should just say like
[26:15] maybe a quick thing about what they're
[26:17] grateful for with Youth City Council.
[26:19] You guys okay with that? I mean, you
[26:21] should be. You're going to be public
[26:22] officials, so Right, exactly. Okay.
[26:24] Yeah, we're good. Yeah.
[26:27] And actually, that is the secret to the
[26:28] success is the great kids um that come
[26:31] in and so it's really a pleasure to work
[26:32] with them and um
[26:34] we're busier when the mayor and the
[26:36] council, they kind of run their own
[26:38] thing. And so if they are unable to do a
[26:40] lot of things, we have less that they
[26:41] do. And they're busy kids. They're
[26:43] leaders in their um
[26:45] schools already and they still are able
[26:48] to take the time to come to a monthly um
[26:51] council meeting and then usually we have
[26:53] about a monthly event as well. And
[26:57] things that we've helped with are with
[26:58] the scarecrow walk with the USU
[27:00] extension service. This year we did some
[27:02] work during the summer with the health
[27:03] department and their um
[27:06] their programs. And we've helped with
[27:08] the fable forest which is a great
[27:10] service project in
[27:12] along with the Fruit Heights Youth City
[27:14] Council. And we help with Kaysville
[27:16] Gives, the kids get to do Day at the
[27:18] Legislature.
[27:20] Um it's just it's And then they help
[27:21] with the Easter egg hunt, maybe you've
[27:22] seen them around there. So, they're they
[27:24] really do a great job and Bodie this
[27:26] year was one of our was was our youth
[27:28] mayor. So, Bodie Schimmer
[27:31] can come on up.
[27:32] >> YEAH. ALL RIGHT.
[27:33] >> [cheering and applause]
[27:39] » AND THEN WE HAVE NATALIE BARLOW.
[27:41] ALL RIGHT.
[27:43] >> [applause]
[27:48] » AND JASON HAYES.
[27:51] >> [applause]
[27:55] » AND HE'S not here today, but McKay
[27:56] Clements. All [applause] right.
[28:02] Okay, quick quick you guys favorite
[28:04] thing. You you would give us a
[28:06] your 1-minute spiel.
[28:08] Something you love.
[28:08] >> say my favorite thing is I remember when
[28:10] I was younger I went to the actual
[28:12] Easter egg hunt and I always loved doing
[28:14] it. I always made it really good well,
[28:16] really fun memories with my dad and my
[28:18] siblings and I always saw the people
[28:20] help setting it up and take it down and
[28:22] I'm grateful that I get to now do that
[28:24] for the youth of Kaysville. Thank you.
[28:26] Good [applause] job.
[28:30] Uh I've just been grateful to um
[28:33] participate in all these city projects,
[28:35] um really be able to serve our fellow neighbors um and it's just
[28:41] been a great opportunity to be with
[28:42] everyone. Thank you.
[28:45] >> [applause]
[28:48] » Yeah, I absolutely love the city of
[28:50] Kaysville and being able to give back to
[28:52] it whether it's from the 4th of July
[28:54] parades to Kaysville Gives. I've
[28:56] really loved giving back to the
[28:57] community that I've really benefited
[29:00] from so much. Well, thank you.
[29:02] >> [applause]
[29:09] » Linda, you're in the picture. Yes.
[29:11] Nice.
[29:16] » [applause]
[29:24] [laughter]
[29:30] » Yeah, hold them up.
[29:35] Thanks you guys. Thank you.
[29:43] Thank you.
[29:51] so much.
[29:54] Okay, any more pictures?
[29:56] I don't think so.
[29:57] I don't have all my steps in yet, so we
[29:58] better take a picture.
[30:00] Okay.
[30:03] Alrighty.
[30:10] Okay, thank you and thank you Linda. She
[30:13] is going to be irreplaceable. However,
[30:16] we do need a replacement for her. So, if
[30:19] you know anyone in the community that
[30:20] loves working with the youth, please
[30:23] send them our way.
[30:25] It It does require a little bit of of
[30:27] time commitment. It is a service
[30:29] opportunity and it's such a great
[30:31] benefit to these kids. They get to learn
[30:33] about politics, they get to learn about
[30:34] service and they get to use this
[30:37] experience for their college
[30:38] applications and it really helps them
[30:40] kind of have an edge in learning about
[30:42] this. So, anyone out there to nominate
[30:44] your friends, your family, your mom,
[30:45] your dad, your neighbors, it'd be great.
[30:48] >> Mayor. Mayor. Yes. Can I give a little
[30:50] shout out to our mayor and councilmember
[30:51] Adams? Most youth councils
[30:55] uh don't get access to the governor,
[30:57] lieutenant governor, and our top leaders
[30:59] in the state, but every year we're
[31:01] meeting with the very top officials, and
[31:04] it's very few youth councils get that
[31:06] opportunity. So, I just want to
[31:07] highlight the good work of our mayor and
[31:09] councilmember Adams. Thank you.
[31:11] In fact, so much so that um
[31:13] we've been told we kind of hogged that
[31:15] spotlight at times. Other cities have
[31:17] complained that they don't get those
[31:18] interviews. So, that's all thanks to
[31:20] councilmember Adams. Good job.
[31:22] It's got to work. Yep.
[31:24] >> [applause]
[31:29] » All right. We have three proclamations,
[31:32] which um
[31:33] I'll name them. We're not going to read
[31:35] them. Um the first proclamation is
[31:37] declaring May 2026 as Building Safety
[31:40] Month. It's in the packet, so if you
[31:42] would like to read that, we will sign
[31:44] that. That's an official proclamation.
[31:46] The second is a proclamation declaring
[31:48] May 11th through 16th as Police Week. We
[31:51] appreciate our policemen for being here,
[31:53] police officers for being here.
[31:55] And then the third proclamation is
[31:58] declaring May 17th through 23rd as
[32:00] Public
[32:01] Works Week. And we love our Public Works
[32:04] team, and we appreciate that. So, we do
[32:06] have proclamations that we do. Some
[32:07] cities don't. We do them as a ceremonial
[32:10] extra thank you for your service, so
[32:12] that we can highlight all the great work
[32:14] you do. So, thank you thank you all.
[32:17] The next item on the agenda is a
[32:19] presentation to Ryan Roberts for
[32:20] receiving the 2025 American Public Works
[32:23] Association Outstanding Snow Removal
[32:25] Professional Award, which is a very big
[32:28] deal. So, I'll turn the mic over to
[32:30] Director Josh Belknap. Thank you, Mayor
[32:33] and Council. That is the longest
[32:36] uh award name ever. I love it. Yeah. And
[32:39] I'm still trying to figure out the
[32:40] acronym for it. But uh
[32:43] Ryan has the privilege of getting to
[32:47] witness me cry 2 days in a row. So, this
[32:50] is This is an exciting opportunity.
[32:53] Um
[32:54] Uh but yeah, Ryan uh has been with
[32:57] Kaysville City over 16 years. 15 Almost 16 years. Uh Ryan currently
[33:04] serves as the streets manager for
[33:06] Kaysville City. Uh and among uh his
[33:09] various duties as the streets manager,
[33:11] uh Ryan oversees snow plowing efforts
[33:14] for the city of Kaysville.
[33:16] Um uh I I got an email uh from a a
[33:20] friend of mine who serves on the APWA
[33:22] board uh asking like, "Hey, do you know
[33:25] of anybody uh who
[33:27] uh
[33:28] has gone above and beyond in in terms of
[33:30] snow removal?" And I think he was
[33:32] wondering about other cities or other
[33:34] colleagues, and I thought of Ryan.
[33:37] Uh and it was it was my privilege to
[33:39] nominate Ryan. Uh
[33:41] the changes that have taken place in how
[33:44] Kaysville removes snow, how quickly it
[33:46] removes snow, uh the efficiencies uh
[33:49] that we've seen because of Ryan's
[33:52] efforts and Ryan's leadership uh have
[33:54] been
[33:55] absolutely amazing.
[33:56] Uh from reducing snow plowing from uh
[34:00] maybe a 14-hour operation to about a
[34:02] 9-hour operation,
[34:03] uh trying to minimize the amount of uh
[34:07] time that people are taking away from
[34:09] their their personal schedule and
[34:11] reducing the amount of overtime that we
[34:12] utilize, uh Ryan is
[34:16] one of the very best uh at at what he
[34:19] does, and we're grateful to have him. Um
[34:22] So, yeah, just
[34:25] Sorry. Love Ryan and and everybody in public
[34:29] works. Uh
[34:31] really fun and exciting month here for
[34:33] us. So, with that I'm going to turn the
[34:35] time over to Heather Wadman with APWA
[34:38] Utah to present that award.
[34:42] » [applause]
[34:45] » Thank you, Josh. Thank you.
[34:50] I'm excited to be here. Thanks for
[34:52] having me. I'm Heather Wadman like Josh
[34:54] mentioned. I am the current president of
[34:57] the Utah chapter of American Public
[34:59] Works Association.
[35:00] And I'm here tonight to
[35:03] present this award. I guess the
[35:06] acronym could be O's Ruble.
[35:09] >> [laughter]
[35:10] >> Outstanding snow remover removal
[35:12] professional of the year award. Snow
[35:16] removal isn't just about convenience.
[35:19] It's not just about getting to work or
[35:21] school or the grocery store.
[35:23] It's about keeping a community
[35:25] functioning.
[35:26] Right? It's about ensuring our first
[35:27] responders can make it to an emergency
[35:29] in time.
[35:30] And it's without without snow removal
[35:34] city quickly can become immobilized in a
[35:35] storm event.
[35:37] And the people who make that happen,
[35:40] they're not just working a regular
[35:42] schedule. They're on call. They're at
[35:44] the mercy of Mother Nature.
[35:46] They're working nights, weekends,
[35:48] holidays.
[35:49] And I've heard stories from other
[35:51] operators of having to pull over and
[35:53] watch their kids open presents on
[35:56] Christmas Day over FaceTime.
[35:58] Or missing that opportunity all
[35:59] together.
[36:01] It's demanding work and it's often a
[36:03] thankless job.
[36:05] Often times you hear complaints about
[36:07] what wasn't plowed versus appreciation
[36:09] of what was.
[36:10] So, it's so important to acknowledge
[36:12] excellence in this field.
[36:14] And I can tell Josh you're just as
[36:16] passionate as about this field as I am.
[36:18] I'm a proud public works department
[36:21] employee Ogden City. And I I care a lot
[36:24] for this industry. And it's not
[36:25] recognized as good as it should be.
[36:28] Um
[36:32] I wrote down some notes cuz I wanted
[36:33] this to be perfect, but I'm already
[36:34] messing it up.
[36:36] Uh so anyway, it it's important to
[36:38] recognize that its importance and show
[36:39] gratitude for it when you can.
[36:41] Uh this award honors individuals that
[36:43] have went above and beyond, and the
[36:45] nomination that Josh put in for Ryan
[36:47] shows a clear example that Ryan has went
[36:50] above and beyond for his community to
[36:53] keep the the community functioning
[36:55] during storm events.
[36:57] Uh so without further ado, Ryan, uh I
[36:59] appreciate your dedication to the
[37:01] profession, to your city, and to the
[37:04] community.
[37:05] Thank you.
[37:06] >> [applause]
[37:10] » Thank you. One more picture now?
[37:14] Ryan,
[37:15] we you want to do a picture with you
[37:17] because this is so fun. He's so good at
[37:19] it. He made it quit snowing.
[37:25] I didn't even notice the sun was
[37:26] shining. That's pretty cool.
[37:28] Good job. Yeah, that was his doing.
[37:31] I can see that. He's so good at it.
[37:33] Yeah, I got it because it didn't snow at
[37:35] all.
[37:36] >> [laughter]
[37:51] » Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.
[37:59] Yeah, thanks, sir. Thank you.
[38:02] Hey, Shakes.
[38:17] Ryan, thank you. We really appreciate
[38:19] you. I don't know if anyone remembers,
[38:21] but gosh, maybe 10 years or so during
[38:25] budget conversations, um a decision was
[38:27] made by a council to um discontinue snow
[38:30] removal.
[38:31] And um boy, you sure notice what happens
[38:35] when you don't have that service. It it completely um messed up the city for
[38:41] a while. And so, it's so important and
[38:43] it's such a thankless job. There's so
[38:45] many things that happen that we just
[38:46] don't appreciate as well as we should.
[38:48] So, thank you.
[38:49] Okay. So, now we'll have a Kaysville
[38:51] Public Works Annual Report by Josh
[38:54] Belnap. Yes, go ahead.
[38:55] >> I think Chief Ellington wants to read
[38:57] the police proclamation.
[38:59] Oh, did you? Oh, Chief. Okay.
[39:02] >> [laughter]
[39:02] >> Chief, I'm sorry. Did one of you want to
[39:04] read that?
[39:05] >> you?
[39:06] It's a great idea.
[39:07] >> I'd do it, but come on down.
[39:09] No, I just I was just teasing. I was
[39:13] teasing Seth.
[39:14] Oh, are we I just thought if you could
[39:16] do a proclamation, we ought to have some
[39:17] cops here, so Oh, well, and and I'm
[39:20] sorry. The only reason we didn't is cuz
[39:22] we have a long agenda. Sorry.
[39:24] >> see
[39:24] >> Are we okay?
[39:25] >> see Chief Chief Ellington really wanted
[39:27] to read it now.
[39:28] >> Okay. Okay. We we appreciate you guys
[39:30] all being here. Please don't take that
[39:32] as any sort of um I thought there was
[39:34] >> ingratitude on our
[39:36] on on our part.
[39:38] But but thanks for being here to support
[39:40] us. We were just trying to um minimize
[39:43] and be efficient with our time.
[39:46] Okay, all right. Thank you. Okay, sounds
[39:49] good.
[39:51] Okay, Josh. Here you go.
[39:56] I don't think a presentation and awards
[39:58] agenda has ever got to letter I, so I
[40:00] think you made the right call
[40:01] abbreviating that somewhat. Thank you.
[40:04] So, bravo.
[40:07] >> [clears throat]
[40:27] » Okay.
[40:30] >> [snorts]
[40:36] » Sorry for the delay. There we go. Uh
[40:38] thank you, Mayor and Council.
[40:40] Um
[40:43] Uh I appreciate the opportunity to uh
[40:47] come here
[40:48] uh and report on 2025 for the Public
[40:51] Works Department.
[40:52] >> [clears throat and cough]
[40:54] >> Um but this is kind of similar to each
[40:57] year. Uh a lot of information that I'm
[41:00] sure a lot of people find
[41:02] riveting.
[41:03] Um I don't want to go too in-depth and
[41:05] bore people, but I I do like to include
[41:08] information that I think is helpful for
[41:10] people to understand uh what this
[41:12] department does, how it functions, and
[41:14] its responsibilities. Uh
[41:16] We're comprised of three main divisions.
[41:19] >> [clears throat]
[41:20] >> And the first division, as I mentioned
[41:22] earlier, of which Ryan Roberts is the
[41:24] manager for, is the Streets Division.
[41:27] Uh they oversee 130 mi of public roads.
[41:31] Uh
[41:32] as you see there, a dollar figure,
[41:34] simple value. When I say simple value,
[41:37] what what what it cost if we had to just
[41:39] repave every mile of public road in
[41:42] Kaysville. That's not redoing any of the
[41:44] manholes or valves or or any other
[41:47] associated works. It's just the asphalt.
[41:50] Uh it's roughly between 90 and 100
[41:52] million dollars that we estimate that
[41:55] value to be.
[41:57] Uh they oversee six traffic signals and
[42:00] one pedestrian hot signal on 200 North.
[42:03] Uh
[42:04] Ryan, as we talked about snow plowing,
[42:06] Ryan oversees operations by about 20
[42:08] individuals operating snow plows.
[42:11] Um
[42:12] We also work closely with the PD on
[42:14] traffic calming concerns and general
[42:17] evaluations of the city's public streets
[42:20] network.
[42:21] Uh they oversee and maintain the
[42:23] installation and repair of about 2,200
[42:26] street signs.
[42:28] Uh they perform curb and street
[42:30] painting, some tree trimming,
[42:32] uh
[42:33] the pub- or the streets department also
[42:37] is
[42:38] public works
[42:39] uh
[42:40] liaison
[42:41] for fleet management for 35 vehicles and
[42:45] four pieces of large equipment.
[42:48] Uh they also assist with new
[42:49] subdivisions and city projects testing
[42:51] the road base and subgrade.
[42:54] Um they closely coordinate with
[42:56] residents and other owners on curb and
[43:00] sidewalk repair and replacement. Uh and
[43:02] then they uh unfortunately bear the
[43:05] brunt of a lot of just really random
[43:07] things that pop up throughout the year.
[43:11] Um
[43:12] storm water is the next division. It's
[43:14] about 150 miles of underground pipes,
[43:17] storm and land drain.
[43:20] Uh the simple value as I had explained
[43:22] earlier with storm drain,
[43:24] uh what doesn't really get into the nuts
[43:26] and bolts, it's mostly just if we had to
[43:29] replace each foot of pipe, uh it's about
[43:33] 100 and oh, sorry, bumped that. 175
[43:36] million to about 180 million dollars
[43:38] worth of pipe replacement if that all
[43:41] took place at once.
[43:42] Uh they oversee street sweeping.
[43:45] They manage the city's what's called the
[43:47] MS4 permit. That's in conjunction with
[43:50] the state and the federal EPA.
[43:52] Uh
[43:53] but I'm sure council has received a
[43:56] really fun email each year about being
[43:58] trained on storm water requirements,
[43:59] which everybody looks forward to each
[44:01] year.
[44:02] Uh also riveting.
[44:04] Um we conduct uh dry weather screening.
[44:07] It's a a type of sampling. Uh we work on
[44:10] illicit discharge detection and
[44:11] elimination with both state county
[44:13] officials.
[44:15] Uh oversee annual reporting for
[44:17] compliance. Uh
[44:19] the uh contractor and assistance and
[44:21] education requirements that are part of
[44:23] our permit uh is overseen by this
[44:25] department. Uh they're managed by Logan
[44:28] Barker.
[44:30] Um and then we also deliver uh garbage
[44:33] cans for the city.
[44:35] Uh and we are a member of the Davis
[44:36] County Storm Water Coalition.
[44:39] Drinking Water Department is comprised
[44:41] of uh uh little bit more, about 168
[44:44] miles of underground drinking water
[44:46] pipes.
[44:47] >> [clears throat and cough]
[44:48] >> And the network of those pipes uh has a
[44:51] value of between 200 and 210 million
[44:54] dollars.
[44:55] Uh we have seven underground storage
[44:57] tanks that equate to just under 8 and
[44:59] 1/2 million gallons. Uh in Kaysville on
[45:02] a typical year, you'll see about a
[45:03] billion gallons of drinking water
[45:05] consumed uh by residents and businesses.
[45:09] Uh that uh
[45:10] those seven tanks provide uh
[45:13] sometimes a little bit more than uh
[45:15] sometimes a little bit less than three
[45:16] days of storage. Uh which is not not a
[45:20] lot, uh but we're currently being fed by
[45:23] Weber Basin uh where we get all of our
[45:25] water from.
[45:27] Uh we have 3,600 valves, 1,700 hydrants.
[45:30] Uh 9,500 service connections, so that's
[45:34] individual meters. Uh and to support
[45:36] those, we have 15 locations that collect
[45:39] that data and transmit it remotely to
[45:42] city hall in real time. We have six
[45:45] stations where we monitor and inject
[45:47] chlorine to meet state requirements. Uh
[45:51] three large pump houses, 26 PRVs, 66 air
[45:55] vacs, 600 backflow assemblies.
[45:58] Uh and uh similar to storm water, we
[46:00] have compliance uh responsibilities that
[46:02] we oversee.
[46:04] Um We also [clears throat] have
[46:06] a smaller uh division, the engineering
[46:08] division.
[46:09] >> [snorts]
[46:09] >> Uh they oversee plan review for uh
[46:11] construction uh as well as inspection on
[46:15] installation of new infrastructure.
[46:17] Uh they design uh internally for the
[46:20] city, both public works as well as
[46:23] assisting with other departments on
[46:26] smaller projects.
[46:28] Uh but that that inter- departmental
[46:30] coordination is is a big part of the
[46:32] engineering division.
[46:36] So, breaking [clears throat]
[46:37] down how we do what we do in these
[46:39] divisions,
[46:41] um focusing mainly on the three uh
[46:44] streets is comprised of four full-time
[46:46] staff. Uh and the funding for that
[46:48] division is comprised of the road
[46:51] utility,
[46:52] uh
[46:53] which is kind of a blend of state gas
[46:55] tax revenue, active transportation funds
[46:58] from the county,
[46:59] and the TUFF, or the transportation
[47:01] utility fee, sometimes referred to as
[47:03] the road fee.
[47:05] Um we also utilize some property taxes
[47:08] from the general fund.
[47:10] Uh currently uh road utility funds
[47:14] uh
[47:14] mostly projects.
[47:16] Um if there's physical work going on uh
[47:19] that is related to or part of the public street network.
[47:23] The general fund portion of public works
[47:26] is for things like wages, benefits. Uh
[47:28] we also currently purchase road salt and
[47:32] the street signs, uh the the sidewalk
[47:34] maintenance and repairs uh that we do,
[47:37] and some of the engineering have been
[47:38] coming from the general fund.
[47:41] Um the current budget
[47:43] >> [clears throat]
[47:44] >> Excuse me, the FY26 budget uh for the
[47:48] general fund portion of streets is
[47:50] $1,390,000.
[47:54] And the road utility portion of the
[47:56] streets budget this year is $7,452,000.
[48:01] Uh
[48:01] where we're at currently expenditures
[48:04] for the general fund portion are
[48:06] $854,000,
[48:08] which is about 62%
[48:11] of uh
[48:13] of that budget amount. We're 85% of the
[48:15] way through the fiscal year.
[48:17] Uh and and obviously road salt
[48:20] uh
[48:21] plays into that heavily as to why we're
[48:23] so far below budget. Um
[48:26] the
[48:28] uh road utility portion is $6.4 million
[48:32] in terms of current expenditures.
[48:35] And that's right on track, 85% and 85%.
[48:39] Um we are a little bit farther along
[48:41] with the 200 North project than we
[48:44] anticipated just because of the mild
[48:46] winter. They were able to get more work
[48:48] done, so that translates into us having
[48:51] to budget less money in this upcoming
[48:54] fiscal year to finish that project.
[48:57] Uh the stormwater division is comprised
[48:59] of five full-time staff. Its funding is
[49:02] the stormwater utility fund or the
[49:04] stormwater utility fee.
[49:06] The FY26 budget for stormwater is $1.8
[49:09] million. Uh current expenditure is at
[49:12] $1.3 million, which is 75% of budget
[49:15] expended as we are 85% through the
[49:17] fiscal year.
[49:19] >> [clears throat]
[49:20] >> Uh water is comprised of nine full-time
[49:22] staff
[49:23] uh and funding
[49:25] uh is the water enterprise fund or
[49:28] revenue from the sales of water to
[49:30] residents and businesses.
[49:32] FY26 budget for the water fund is $6.6
[49:35] million. Current expenditure is at $5.3
[49:38] million, which is about 80% of budget,
[49:41] 85% of the way through the fiscal year.
[49:46] Uh engineering
[49:48] uh
[49:48] is supported by those three funds or
[49:51] those three divisions, the funds from
[49:53] them
[49:54] but it's
[49:55] comprised of two full-time staff and
[49:57] then in addition we have our office
[50:01] admin Amanda we have an assistant
[50:03] director and then myself.
[50:05] Um
[50:07] to round out how we do things in
[50:10] addition to what's already been touched
[50:11] on um
[50:13] building on the slide from last year
[50:16] since 2015
[50:19] we've had $27.6 million worth of grants
[50:22] that Kaysville City has been awarded and
[50:25] utilized in construction projects.
[50:27] Since last year we received an
[50:29] additional $5 million
[50:31] from Davis County. And those Davis
[50:34] County funds have been
[50:36] probably some of the most transformative
[50:39] that we are able to get them
[50:42] relatively quickly. A lot of the other
[50:44] funds that we've received have some
[50:46] limitations like it's going to be 5
[50:48] years before you can access these funds.
[50:51] Or they might come with some federal
[50:53] requirements that don't
[50:56] it [clears throat] makes it so that the
[50:57] dollar doesn't stretch quite as far. So
[50:59] these county funds have been huge
[51:01] and and as I started working on these
[51:04] slides about 2 weeks ago um
[51:07] I just wanted to
[51:09] provide thanks to Mayor Tran because
[51:12] while we do work to put together an
[51:15] application and all the necessary
[51:17] information for the county officials
[51:20] on these Davis County grant applications
[51:23] each time that we've submitted we we
[51:25] have been fortunate to have the mayor
[51:28] working behind the scenes and and that's
[51:30] not to say that it's not above board but
[51:32] connecting with their staff
[51:34] helping explain not just the Kaysville
[51:36] importance but the regional importance
[51:38] of our projects
[51:39] and then the the mayor is also helping
[51:44] other voting members of that group
[51:47] understand the importance as well. So,
[51:48] that 12.2 million
[51:51] that we've received since this program
[51:53] started with Davis County is a credit to
[51:56] Mayor Tran. We appreciate that deeply.
[51:59] Um Thank you. We have No, thank you. Uh
[52:03] we've we've applied for an additional
[52:05] 14.9 million dollars in grants that we
[52:09] haven't been successful with since 2015.
[52:12] Um and continue to pursue grant
[52:14] opportunities.
[52:16] Um efficiencies.
[52:18] Uh last week I kind of changed up my slides.
[52:23] Um I I think one of the
[52:26] things that we struggle with
[52:28] as staff is
[52:30] communicating effectively and and and
[52:34] helping uh the as
[52:36] uh talking with Val Starkey over the
[52:38] last year uh
[52:40] helping to tell the story. And I I don't
[52:42] say story to make it sound like
[52:45] uh it's it's anything other than just
[52:47] good information. That's what it is.
[52:49] Helping people know and understand. So,
[52:51] I wanted to touch on some of the things
[52:52] where we've tried to
[52:54] either think outside the box or look for
[52:56] opportunities. Can we do things
[52:58] differently? Can we do things better
[53:00] uh to to
[53:02] stretch the dollar a little bit farther. Uh some of these are
[53:07] to times where we have spent money to
[53:09] try and benefit uh in the long run and
[53:12] I'll point some of these things out. I
[53:14] think the first that I'd like to touch
[53:15] on is water meters.
[53:17] Uh in 2018 we started looking at
[53:21] wanting to get
[53:23] modern AMI capable
[53:26] uh digital meters installed at each of
[53:28] the 9,500 connections in Kaysville.
[53:31] Uh that was about a 1 and 1/2 to 2-year
[53:34] project uh and at the time was just uh
[53:37] over 2 million, I believe, uh to do
[53:39] that. But
[53:41] uh what previously took
[53:43] two, at least two weeks, we'd shut the
[53:45] entire Public Works Department down for
[53:47] about two weeks,
[53:48] whether your streets, water, storm
[53:50] water, and we would go out and we would
[53:52] read water meters, pull the lid, look at
[53:54] the number on the dial, write it down on
[53:56] a piece of paper, close the lid, go to
[53:59] the next one, and then you'd bring those
[54:00] papers into City Hall, and they would
[54:02] manually type those readings in so that
[54:04] they could send people their bills.
[54:06] That got difficult in the winter,
[54:09] uh not only plowing, but trying to
[54:11] uh
[54:12] shovel out water meters so that we could
[54:14] look at those. So,
[54:16] uh this was a huge project. Uh we
[54:19] uh worked with the state of Utah at the
[54:21] time on an efficiency metric, uh and and
[54:24] the overall gain in efficiency from this
[54:27] $2 million project was a 6,000% increase
[54:31] in the efficiency uh of uh
[54:35] of the city, both Public Works as well
[54:36] as utility billing.
[54:38] So,
[54:39] um
[54:40] yeah, the in addition to that, the data
[54:42] that we have is is way more accurate,
[54:45] and it's real time. We can go out to a
[54:48] resident's home and show them in real
[54:50] time what they're using. Do you have a
[54:52] leak? We can help you identify that. I I
[54:54] utilized that at my home last year to
[54:56] identify a leak
[54:57] that was occurring in real time.
[55:00] Um snow plowing, as I mentioned, uh some
[55:04] of the things that Ryan has worked on,
[55:06] uh as in addition to everybody in the
[55:08] department, uh taking it from a 14-hour
[55:10] operation down to nine, uh
[55:14] utilizing
[55:15] um smaller vehicles. We we've taken
[55:18] about three or four of the snow plows
[55:20] and replaced them with smaller trucks
[55:23] that are a little bit more maneuverable
[55:25] and easier to get into tight spaces,
[55:28] cul-de-sacs, windy roads. Uh the the the
[55:32] efficiency from a time standpoint is also added to by the fact that
[55:37] instead of a $300,000 snow plow, we're
[55:40] looking at just under $100,000 for a
[55:43] smaller snow plow. Wow. Um and then uh
[55:46] Ryan,
[55:47] uh we didn't have an opportunity to use
[55:49] it this year, uh but was able to work
[55:51] with a vendor to get the city's first
[55:53] wing plow. It's a you you've probably
[55:56] seen them on U dot trucks. It's a plow
[55:58] that comes off the side of the truck.
[56:00] So, you're able to make 1.7 passes with
[56:02] each pass.
[56:04] Um
[56:05] the city engineer uh So, when Andy
[56:08] Thompson retired between 2018 and 2021,
[56:11] uh we went without a city engineer.
[56:14] Uh and since that time, as as Dexter
[56:17] came on with the support of council in
[56:19] creating that position, um
[56:22] uh
[56:23] some of the relatively small
[56:25] opportunities, uh designing projects
[56:28] in-house, you know, the small waterline
[56:30] project as we get bids on those to just
[56:33] design where can the work in the
[56:35] waterlines go, getting a set of
[56:37] construction plans ready. Uh about
[56:40] $30,000
[56:42] depending on the company. Uh Dexter just
[56:44] completed
[56:45] uh another in-house set of plans that
[56:48] started a week ago Monday. Uh started
[56:52] construction on
[56:53] uh Kings and Bishops.
[56:55] Um
[56:57] uh we have an engineering technician in
[56:59] the city who uh we moved around some of
[57:02] his responsibilities. Uh Jordan Hansen,
[57:05] the GIS administrator,
[57:07] provides support in mapping to all of
[57:09] the departments uh and
[57:11] Jordan is one individual that there's
[57:13] just not enough hours in the day.
[57:16] And uh this engineering technician that
[57:19] we have, incredibly sharp, incredibly
[57:21] capable, um
[57:23] ended up talking with Jordan that you
[57:24] know, if we can shift his
[57:26] responsibilities around,
[57:28] this is an individual that can support
[57:30] Jordan and avoid trying to uh request
[57:33] additional staff to come in and take
[57:36] care of GIS.
[57:38] Uh staffing changes, moving
[57:40] responsibilities and roles around um
[57:44] as well as uh
[57:46] I don't know if I touch on this later.
[57:48] We've we've had the unfortunate
[57:51] circumstance on three occasions to have
[57:54] to
[57:55] uh let staff go
[57:58] when when we're looking at situations
[58:00] where the the performance is not
[58:03] sufficient to the needs and to the job
[58:05] description.
[58:07] Uh and and we don't take those things
[58:08] lightly, but
[58:10] uh we also have to weigh the needs of of
[58:12] the organization and the community as we
[58:15] do those things.
[58:16] Uh we we purchased a small enclosed
[58:18] trailer a number of years ago
[58:21] and
[58:22] coming in over the weekend with their
[58:24] personal time, water crews set that up
[58:27] with new shelving
[58:30] and and storage bins and bays. Uh that's
[58:34] become the leak trailer. That that's cut
[58:36] down the average time for a water leak
[58:39] from 7 hours down to about four maybe
[58:41] five.
[58:43] Uh construction inspections, taking one
[58:45] of the maintenance workers and shifting
[58:48] some of his responsibilities around and
[58:50] having him also assist with construction
[58:52] inspection so that we're we're trying to
[58:54] catch more and make sure that
[58:55] infrastructure that is going in
[58:58] uh is robust.
[59:01] Uh
[59:02] revamping digitizing standards.
[59:05] If if you'd like some information on
[59:08] this, it's way too in-depth for this
[59:10] meeting, but uh
[59:12] the asphalt and concrete debris that we
[59:14] store down at the public works yard and
[59:16] crush that about every 3 years
[59:19] uh I think is is one of the like
[59:22] most valuable and beneficial things that
[59:24] this department has started doing. It
[59:25] started before I
[59:28] started with the city, but it it saves
[59:30] so much time and money.
[59:32] Um
[59:33] installing cameras throughout the city,
[59:36] it's not just a good thing for security,
[59:38] but it assists quite a bit with snow
[59:42] plowing, monitoring road conditions,
[59:44] trying to get out faster, and keep those
[59:46] open for emergency responders.
[59:48] Sampling stations, installing those, we
[59:51] used to have to pull out people's water
[59:53] meters and get underground to take water
[59:55] samples. We replaced those with above
[59:57] ground stations.
[59:59] Um and
[1:00:01] Luckily so as our number of samples has
[1:00:03] grown.
[1:00:05] We're now at over 40 a month required by
[1:00:08] the state.
[1:00:09] Watering some parks with drinking water.
[1:00:13] We're in a drought this year and and and
[1:00:15] we will be talking about this a little
[1:00:17] bit later. Um
[1:00:20] As unfortunate as it is, we still have
[1:00:22] to flush water from our drinking system
[1:00:25] to keep water fresh, to keep chlorine
[1:00:27] residuals where they need to be.
[1:00:30] Um and and we try to minimize that as
[1:00:32] much as possible.
[1:00:34] What we've done is we've worked with the
[1:00:36] parks department and we've I think we've
[1:00:38] converted three public parks to utilize
[1:00:41] drinking water and they're all in areas
[1:00:43] where we previously had circulation
[1:00:45] issues.
[1:00:46] So they're now using drinking water,
[1:00:48] they have better pressure, more reliable
[1:00:51] supply. Um and in addition on the public
[1:00:55] works side, we don't have to pay a staff
[1:00:57] member to go out and flow hydrant and
[1:00:59] sit there and baby sit that hydrant. So
[1:01:02] there's some efficiencies there. We used
[1:01:04] to do in-house CDL training until CDL
[1:01:07] requirements were changed. We had
[1:01:09] somebody in-house that could could train
[1:01:12] new staff as they were trying to get
[1:01:13] their
[1:01:14] licenses. Lost that opportunity though.
[1:01:17] Um Ryan and and his folks started doing
[1:01:19] in-house road striping. Smaller projects
[1:01:22] like crosswalks.
[1:01:24] Um they they built their own
[1:01:26] uh set of templates and
[1:01:28] uh have been doing that for about a year
[1:01:30] or two now.
[1:01:31] Uh and then purchasing some of our own
[1:01:33] supplies. Like th- this this isn't a
[1:01:36] like huge item, but there there are
[1:01:38] little things like the the operations
[1:01:41] center.
[1:01:42] Uh
[1:01:43] most of the time if we're using a
[1:01:45] conference room, we'll we'll come up
[1:01:46] here to City Hall, but there's times
[1:01:48] where it's more convenient uh to meet
[1:01:51] down uh say at the operations center. Um
[1:01:54] so uh we went and purchased with our own
[1:01:57] funds
[1:01:58] uh the the staff down there but a
[1:02:00] television so that we could bring staff
[1:02:02] in around, pull up maps, uh and and
[1:02:05] monitor some of the software that we
[1:02:07] utilize down there.
[1:02:08] Uh
[1:02:10] feeding some of the folks down there uh
[1:02:13] utilizing some of our own funds to do
[1:02:15] that. We're we're we're trying to be
[1:02:16] mindful uh not not only as staff, but realizing
[1:02:21] that
[1:02:22] um
[1:02:24] we're supported by the residents of
[1:02:25] Kaysville and and we want to support
[1:02:27] them.
[1:02:28] Uh and then in terms of challenges, uh
[1:02:31] th- this has probably been the the most
[1:02:33] difficult uh period in this regard uh
[1:02:37] since December.
[1:02:39] Uh we've lost four individuals from from
[1:02:42] the public works department. Um
[1:02:45] uh
[1:02:46] one of those was was from a performance
[1:02:48] standpoint. Um but the others in terms
[1:02:51] of
[1:02:52] uh opportunities elsewhere that were
[1:02:54] pursued by individuals, and we we
[1:02:55] certainly wish them the best. Uh but
[1:02:57] just losing that institutional knowledge
[1:03:00] uh it is is difficult. We're we're still
[1:03:04] finding ourselves contacting two of
[1:03:06] those individuals, you know, how does
[1:03:07] this operate? Remind us what the
[1:03:09] situation was with this property owner.
[1:03:12] Um so we've been able to replace three
[1:03:15] of those positions.
[1:03:17] Uh we replaced the fourth, um the water
[1:03:20] quality individual in charge of all the
[1:03:22] sampling for the city uh and water
[1:03:24] quality compliance.
[1:03:26] Uh and the replacement lasted a week and
[1:03:29] contacted us and he just said, "I I
[1:03:32] can't do this. This is This is way more
[1:03:34] than I thought it was going to be." And
[1:03:36] he just said it that it felt
[1:03:39] like it was too much.
[1:03:41] Uh we we advertised again, uh found what
[1:03:44] we thought was a really good candidate,
[1:03:46] offered the job, and they elected not to
[1:03:48] take it. So, uh right now the drinking
[1:03:51] water department uh and and myself and
[1:03:54] Cody are just working closely with them
[1:03:57] to try and fill that gap uh with samples
[1:04:01] and compliance. So,
[1:04:03] um aging infrastructure continues to be
[1:04:05] a challenge. Uh we are grateful for the
[1:04:08] support from council uh in doing two
[1:04:11] projects currently, 200 North uh it is a
[1:04:15] great example of getting in front of
[1:04:17] problems on a project, replacing pipes
[1:04:20] before we anticipate uh a significant
[1:04:23] problem. And then
[1:04:25] um
[1:04:25] Kings and Bishops uh is one where
[1:04:29] uh within the last three or so years
[1:04:32] out of nowhere it becomes a significant
[1:04:35] issue with water leaks. So,
[1:04:37] uh and then uh inflation I I I think
[1:04:40] we're finally
[1:04:41] uh
[1:04:42] as Parker illustrated on on the curve uh
[1:04:46] on Tuesday, uh
[1:04:48] since about '23 you've started to see uh
[1:04:51] inflation come back down and normalize
[1:04:53] again. Uh but there there are random
[1:04:56] items that just maintain like oddly high
[1:04:59] prices
[1:05:00] uh that that just don't seem to to make
[1:05:02] a ton of sense and it seems like, man,
[1:05:04] something's got to give. Something has
[1:05:07] to normalize again. So, uh with that, is a ton of information and that's
[1:05:11] way more time than I told Anne Marie it
[1:05:13] was going to take. So, uh with that
[1:05:15] council, any questions?
[1:05:18] I have one question. Yes, please.
[1:05:20] >> You talked about turnover. So, we've
[1:05:22] lost four people. What is our challenge
[1:05:24] in hiring
[1:05:26] additional people? Is there just a
[1:05:27] shortage of people in that specialty? I
[1:05:30] think that's definitely part of it. It's
[1:05:32] a very like specialized position
[1:05:35] and we'd like to see certain
[1:05:38] certifications and experience with that.
[1:05:40] I think that's part of it.
[1:05:42] The gentleman that turned the job down I
[1:05:46] think the the wages were appealing to
[1:05:50] him, but the benefits
[1:05:53] were at his former city
[1:05:55] were
[1:05:56] sufficient enough that he was like,
[1:05:58] "Man, I I don't think I can step away."
[1:05:59] So,
[1:06:01] it just changes
[1:06:03] constantly. It could be a wage concern,
[1:06:05] it could be a benefit concern. It could
[1:06:08] be you get applicants that like, "Man,
[1:06:12] man, I I really don't want to relocate
[1:06:14] my family." We recently interviewed an
[1:06:16] individual from Logan and when it came
[1:06:19] down to it just wasn't going to be in the cards
[1:06:22] for them. So, a lot of things combine
[1:06:26] in those type of challenges. So,
[1:06:28] Good luck.
[1:06:29] >> That's not fun. Thank you. We appreciate
[1:06:31] you guys.
[1:06:32] >> Credit to to Brian, the drinking water
[1:06:33] manager. He's new in that position for
[1:06:36] about two or so months, two or three
[1:06:38] months.
[1:06:39] And he is carrying that load largely
[1:06:42] with one other individual and I just I
[1:06:45] couldn't be more impressed with the job
[1:06:46] that they're doing. Well, thank you. And
[1:06:48] for those that don't know, the drinking
[1:06:50] water testing is continual, ongoing and
[1:06:53] >> Every day. crucial. Weekends, holidays,
[1:06:55] we're we're in here every day monitoring
[1:06:57] water quality. I mean, that's a life or
[1:07:00] death health situation. So, if the water
[1:07:02] chemical
[1:07:03] >> Whether it's healthy water or sufficient
[1:07:05] supply for fire suppression. It's It's a huge huge focus. Should be.
[1:07:12] Well, thank you. Thank you.
[1:07:14] >> Council, any questions?
[1:07:16] Comments?
[1:07:17] I have a comment. Okay.
[1:07:20] >> [clears throat]
[1:07:20] >> Thanks for what you do and all the
[1:07:21] staff. Really appreciate it and I
[1:07:24] Your presentation was fantastic. I love
[1:07:27] the efficiency page cuz it kind of helps
[1:07:29] me and I think the rest of us to
[1:07:31] understand, okay, you are trying to save
[1:07:34] taxpayer money and find solutions and
[1:07:37] also the challenges. It's really good to
[1:07:38] talk about that
[1:07:40] so that we can be aware and the public
[1:07:42] and it's It takes a lot to run the city,
[1:07:44] but thank you to you and all your staff
[1:07:46] and please pass that on. Thank Thank
[1:07:48] you. And I
[1:07:49] appreciate that and I get that
[1:07:51] frequently from the council and the
[1:07:52] mayor.
[1:07:53] Uh you know, Michael stop in
[1:07:55] occasionally if there's been like a
[1:07:56] really bad storm. Just, "Hey, can you
[1:07:58] just make sure that everybody knows?"
[1:08:01] And And that means more than than you
[1:08:03] know when when we get a card from a resident that like, "Hey,
[1:08:07] thanks."
[1:08:08] Largely you don't hear things unless
[1:08:10] there's a problem. Uh uh Council member
[1:08:12] Hunt, same thing. We'll We'll have
[1:08:14] really crappy situations and she'll stop
[1:08:16] in.
[1:08:17] Uh you know, she's brought bagels to
[1:08:18] these guys. So, that that means a ton.
[1:08:22] We appreciate it. Uh and I I feel weird
[1:08:27] every year doing this
[1:08:29] if there's like, "Oh man, thank you so
[1:08:31] much." I I can't say enough good about
[1:08:33] the human beings
[1:08:35] uh in public works as well as the city
[1:08:38] uh
[1:08:38] from top down, just phenomenal people
[1:08:41] that do amazing things and and they
[1:08:43] really do care about
[1:08:45] the organization and the community. So,
[1:08:48] thank you.
[1:08:49] Well, thank you very much. Appreciate
[1:08:50] your presentation.
[1:08:51] >> I totally forgot. The I Last year I had
[1:08:54] a bunch of like show and tell things.
[1:08:56] >> that's right.
[1:08:56] >> These are These are clean. I disinfected
[1:08:58] them, so
[1:08:59] >> Okay.
[1:09:00] No No need to worry. They're They're not
[1:09:02] >> exciting. I didn't have anything really
[1:09:03] new. Uh this was a rock. Uh we we go out
[1:09:08] and try and exercise valves. Uh we've
[1:09:10] got something like 3,000 valves within
[1:09:12] the city and we we want to check those
[1:09:14] as frequently as we can. Make sure
[1:09:15] they're working properly and that
[1:09:17] they're open when they need to be open.
[1:09:19] Uh and uh we found a neighborhood where
[1:09:22] the neighborhood kids have been taking
[1:09:23] these out of the park strip and dropping
[1:09:25] them down the valve box. Oh, nice.
[1:09:27] >> figure out like why can't we get onto
[1:09:29] these valves? Uh and so uh
[1:09:32] a crew of guys spent a a decent amount
[1:09:34] of time going around cleaning out the
[1:09:36] valve boxes. So I I thought that was
[1:09:38] kind of comical cuz that's something I
[1:09:40] would have done as a kid. Uh Um and then
[1:09:43] But not good.
[1:09:44] >> the 200 North project this last year
[1:09:47] um
[1:09:48] as as we were moving east and we
[1:09:50] approached uh First East we encountered
[1:09:53] the old Bamberger Railroad. Oh, right.
[1:09:55] All the cross ties, butt plates, and and
[1:09:58] spikes.
[1:09:59] Uh and and that was quite a challenge
[1:10:01] because as we excavated all the ballast
[1:10:03] started to just collapse in and and
[1:10:05] trying to figure out a way to stabilize
[1:10:07] and and continue moving. Um but you
[1:10:10] know, my my grandfather took the
[1:10:11] Bamberger every day and I was like,
[1:10:13] "Gosh, that is so stinking cool." So
[1:10:14] this is a a spike from the Bamberger and
[1:10:17] I'll I'll pass these around. It's it's
[1:10:19] nothing like Yeah, that's pretty neat.
[1:10:21] That's great. It's It's part of our
[1:10:23] history except the rocks.
[1:10:25] That's That's
[1:10:27] Yeah.
[1:10:28] It It's been here a long time. Yes, but
[1:10:32] Oh, uh one one additional item. I'm I'm
[1:10:34] sorry for I failed to mention this. Um
[1:10:37] and I I think this was shared on
[1:10:38] Tuesday. Uh but um in the financial
[1:10:42] portion
[1:10:43] I failed to to touch on this.
[1:10:46] Um currently uh fund balance for the
[1:10:49] drinking water department at the end of
[1:10:52] uh
[1:10:52] fiscal year 25
[1:10:54] uh was $2.7 million.
[1:10:57] Uh uh fund balance for storm water was
[1:10:59] 1.6 million dollars.
[1:11:02] Josh, what you touched I know last time
[1:11:04] you were here you talked about a well
[1:11:06] that we are looking for alternative
[1:11:08] sources of water.
[1:11:10] Yeah. Oh. Will you mention that again?
[1:11:12] >> brought that up. I failed to mention
[1:11:14] that. Last week we found out that we our
[1:11:17] application with the state engineer has
[1:11:19] been approved to acquire Fantastic.
[1:11:22] >> over 100 acre feet of ground water Good.
[1:11:25] >> in a future well. Okay. That that's
[1:11:29] normally like a 6-month process. It was
[1:11:31] 13 months to get that approval.
[1:11:33] Fantastic.
[1:11:34] >> And so grateful that that came in when
[1:11:36] it did and it wasn't mired in a lot of
[1:11:39] everything else that's going on right
[1:11:40] now. Great job.
[1:11:41] >> So we'll meet next week to find out more
[1:11:44] of the details on that. We met today
[1:11:48] with
[1:11:49] the
[1:11:50] company that manages our water model and just said, "Hey man, we would really
[1:11:54] like to start wrapping our head around
[1:11:56] how do you
[1:11:58] pursue ground water?" We've never done
[1:12:00] that here. Okay.
[1:12:01] >> [clears throat]
[1:12:01] >> At least in our time. The city had wells
[1:12:04] back in the 50s but trying to understand
[1:12:07] how do we move forward from here to the
[1:12:08] point where we have that as a source
[1:12:11] option within Kaysville City, provide
[1:12:13] some redundancy if we ever have issues
[1:12:15] with Weber Basin. So I'm so glad that
[1:12:17] you brought that up. I totally forgot to touch on that.
[1:12:20] >> Well, that is very exciting. Thank you
[1:12:22] for doing that. And that's one of the
[1:12:23] things that we are so focused on as a
[1:12:25] city is looking towards the future and
[1:12:28] making sure that the plans we have now
[1:12:29] will sustain us. So thank you for Yeah,
[1:12:32] the nice thing about that is those water
[1:12:34] rights are being purchased with ARPA
[1:12:36] funds. Oh, good.
[1:12:37] >> So it's
[1:12:38] we were able to confirm this meets the
[1:12:41] requirements of ARPA. We're utilizing
[1:12:43] those federal funds to acquire those
[1:12:44] water rights for the future project. So
[1:12:47] you know, otherwise like man, that would
[1:12:48] be
[1:12:49] a difficult thing to pull off normally
[1:12:51] and and those funds made that possible.
[1:12:54] So Congratulations Josh to to all of you
[1:12:57] for doing that. That's That's really
[1:12:58] exciting. People don't realize what a
[1:13:00] big deal water rights are. Or maybe they
[1:13:02] do, but I I think a lot of people don't.
[1:13:04] I don't think I did. I definitely didn't
[1:13:06] before I started with the city. So
[1:13:07] >> Yeah. Good. Thank you.
[1:13:10] Um any other questions or comments? All
[1:13:12] right, thank you so much.
[1:13:13] >> Thank you. Thanks Josh.
[1:13:17] All right, do we have any conflicts of
[1:13:18] interest council before we move on?
[1:13:22] No? Okay, seeing none. We will move to
[1:13:26] our consent agenda. We have uh five
[1:13:29] items listed on the consent agenda. Four
[1:13:31] items. Would someone like to make a
[1:13:33] motion regarding number five consent
[1:13:36] items? Can I move D off or just get one
[1:13:39] question answered before Josh leaves?
[1:13:42] Sure, Josh could we keep you for one
[1:13:44] question? Other than that we can wait.
[1:13:46] No, you can you can sit down till we get
[1:13:47] done.
[1:13:47] >> Great. We we need a second on the
[1:13:48] motion. I'll second. Okay. All in favor?
[1:13:52] I. Okay. Come on up.
[1:13:55] Okay, the only question I have is uh it
[1:13:58] says uh
[1:13:59] a resolution approving a franchise
[1:14:00] agreement with Forge Fiber. Are you good
[1:14:02] with that?
[1:14:04] Yeah, so normally we don't want any new
[1:14:06] franchise agreements. There There are so
[1:14:08] many companies here fighting with each
[1:14:10] other for space in the right of way.
[1:14:12] Uh Forge Fiber is a subsidiary of AT&T
[1:14:16] and they have purchased all of Lumen's
[1:14:18] infrastructure. They're taking that
[1:14:20] over. So this is kind of a formality
[1:14:22] switching ownership from Lumen over
[1:14:25] [clears throat] to AT&T through Forge.
[1:14:28] So in this case we are good with it.
[1:14:30] >> Just curious if they are good actor.
[1:14:32] AT&T far better than Lumen. Okay, and if
[1:14:36] there was anything that you felt needed
[1:14:38] to be included in that agreement.
[1:14:40] >> I I don't think so. The The franchise
[1:14:41] agreement form that Nick has put
[1:14:43] together is is pretty robust and clear
[1:14:46] and has been extremely helpful when we
[1:14:48] run into issues with uh the utilities
[1:14:53] that have the older
[1:14:55] uh
[1:14:56] franchise agreement. That's been
[1:14:58] difficult as he's been able to move most
[1:15:00] over to the new one.
[1:15:02] Uh the it's it's like a night and day
[1:15:04] difference. So, yeah, very very
[1:15:06] supportive of of this change. Uh and
[1:15:08] that's not to throw anybody with them
[1:15:10] [clears throat] under the bus, but
[1:15:11] they're they've been so difficult. And I
[1:15:13] think a lot of that is just swamped and
[1:15:15] Mhm. uh
[1:15:17] staff that are just like, "Well, I don't know what to tell you, man."
[1:15:19] Okay. So, yeah.
[1:15:20] >> Great question.
[1:15:21] Um Councilmember Member Jackson. Yeah,
[1:15:23] so um
[1:15:25] I've in my neighborhood, there's a few
[1:15:27] homes um where Lumen they did such lousy
[1:15:31] work where I could literally walk into
[1:15:33] the backyard and grab the line that's
[1:15:35] hanging really low between the
[1:15:38] properties.
[1:15:38] >> line that Yeah, along the property line
[1:15:40] or the the power lines are above.
[1:15:43] But the Lumen line is so low, a kid
[1:15:46] could probably jump and grab it.
[1:15:48] >> Yeah. And it's just such shoddy work.
[1:15:50] And so, I would hope that um the city
[1:15:52] communicates with AT&T and this company
[1:15:55] um that it'd be nice to fix some of
[1:15:57] those and just a lot of
[1:15:59] >> Yeah, absolutely. I think
[1:16:01] um
[1:16:02] for for those individuals as well as as
[1:16:04] others,
[1:16:06] um
[1:16:06] whether it's that company or a different
[1:16:08] company, if you're experiencing those
[1:16:10] kinds of issues, especially with
[1:16:12] overhead lines, if you contact the
[1:16:15] Kaysville City Power Department, uh one
[1:16:17] of the employees in the power
[1:16:18] department, his name is Brandon Willie,
[1:16:20] he's the the utilities locator. And in
[1:16:22] addition to marking blue stakes for the
[1:16:25] city, Brandon is on like a first name
[1:16:27] basis with representatives from each of
[1:16:30] these utility companies.
[1:16:32] And and Brandon it it the term that you
[1:16:35] hear a lot of times like, "Hey, you
[1:16:36] know, we got to hold people's feet to
[1:16:38] the fire in certain situations." And
[1:16:40] Brandon, I don't know if any of you knew
[1:16:42] Brandon's dad, Martin. Mhm. Uh but but
[1:16:45] Brandon is Martin reincarnated. Mhm. Uh
[1:16:48] in in the best way possible.
[1:16:50] >> a huge compliment.
[1:16:51] >> Yeah, he It is a It is a massive
[1:16:53] compliment, but he he he's good and
[1:16:55] professional with these entities. Uh but he is
[1:16:59] unyielding in terms of doing things the
[1:17:03] right way. So, absolutely contact the
[1:17:05] power department to get in touch with
[1:17:07] Brandon, uh making him aware, uh and and
[1:17:11] allow him to start working and
[1:17:12] coordinating with, finding out
[1:17:14] information, contacting the utility
[1:17:16] company, for sure.
[1:17:18] Thank you.
[1:17:19] Okay. Thank you so much.
[1:17:21] >> Thank you. Thank you.
[1:17:22] All right, would someone like to make a
[1:17:24] motion on consent items A through D?
[1:17:29] Sure, I'll make a motion we approve
[1:17:31] consent items A, B, C, and D.
[1:17:34] I'll second.
[1:17:35] >> Okay, thank you. We have a motion and a
[1:17:37] second. Council member Jackson. Aye.
[1:17:39] Aye.
[1:17:42] Okay, thank you. Okay, now we
[1:17:45] are on action item 6A, which is a
[1:17:48] tentative budget. I will state the
[1:17:51] tentative budget name or the
[1:17:54] description, and then I will turn the
[1:17:55] mic to Jason to give us a little bit of
[1:17:58] historic context, and then Maureen
[1:18:01] to
[1:18:03] present. Okay. So, 6A, notice that the
[1:18:06] budget officer intends to state in the
[1:18:08] public meeting that the tentative budget
[1:18:11] includes a proposed property tax
[1:18:12] increase with an approximate percentage
[1:18:15] increase of 17.59%
[1:18:18] and approximate amount of
[1:18:21] $1.226151
[1:18:25] million purpose of funding needed
[1:18:27] administrative and public safety costs
[1:18:29] and capital projects, as well as
[1:18:31] providing funds for debt service for the
[1:18:33] Keysville Field House, and that the city
[1:18:35] will provide notice of a public hearing
[1:18:37] as required by law.
[1:18:39] And I want to stress tentative in this
[1:18:42] meeting. This is just one of many
[1:18:44] meetings that we will continue to have.
[1:18:46] Jason.
[1:18:48] Thank you, Mayor.
[1:18:50] Are those uh
[1:18:52] Are we good to go?
[1:18:53] Uh sure. Yeah.
[1:18:55] Oh, okay.
[1:18:56] >> up yet? Um we don't have slides yet. I
[1:18:58] was just checking on neighbor.
[1:18:59] Hold on.
[1:19:00] We will.
[1:19:05] If you want to talk first, sorry. Um I
[1:19:08] just want to see which slides
[1:19:21] It's not for me.
[1:19:35] That's a really pretty
[1:19:36] >> plug in?
[1:19:37] That's a pretty picture.
[1:19:41] Oh. The flowers are in.
[1:19:45] We just thought we'd show you a pretty
[1:19:46] picture like we didn't need any numbers.
[1:19:50] just to set up.
[1:19:52] Yeah, that's what I get to see when I'm
[1:19:54] out riding my bike.
[1:19:57] I love it. Yeah, and um
[1:20:06] Sorry. Right, wait. I think I was going
[1:20:08] to cover these this first part. I was
[1:20:11] covering the first
[1:20:11] >> But you're covering Okay, go ahead.
[1:20:12] >> the last part.
[1:20:13] >> All right. If that's okay.
[1:20:17] Um okay, tonight we're presenting the
[1:20:19] tentative budget, which includes an
[1:20:21] increase of property taxes. Part of the
[1:20:23] new requirements or since Kaysville City
[1:20:26] is considering levying a tax rate that
[1:20:28] exceeds the fiscal year certified rate,
[1:20:31] we must prepare an impact statement,
[1:20:33] which is showing on the screen, and we
[1:20:35] have provided paper copies for those who
[1:20:37] want them.
[1:20:38] The impact statement shows that this
[1:20:40] tentative budget proposes a property tax
[1:20:42] increase of 1 million $226,151
[1:20:48] or a 17.59%
[1:20:50] increase of revenue and a or a 21.97%
[1:20:55] increase of the tax rate.
[1:20:57] Kaysville City proposed a property tax
[1:20:59] increase for fiscal year '26, which was
[1:21:02] not approved. So, this increase is to
[1:21:05] address prior year funding needs, as
[1:21:07] well as to support ongoing costs.
[1:21:10] Specific reasons for the increase
[1:21:12] include
[1:21:13] adding
[1:21:15] a part-time
[1:21:17] records clerk in our police department
[1:21:19] to help fulfill the demands of that
[1:21:20] role,
[1:21:21] collaboration between the city and Davis
[1:21:24] County School District to be partners on
[1:21:26] the Kaysville Fieldhouse,
[1:21:28] which is currently under construction.
[1:21:30] This tax increase will help fund those
[1:21:31] payments,
[1:21:33] which will be part general fund expense
[1:21:34] and part ramp.
[1:21:36] Other departments are seeing supply
[1:21:38] budgets increase with inflation and
[1:21:40] employee expenses with our yearly cola
[1:21:43] and merit increases, which are also part
[1:21:45] of inflation.
[1:21:47] This increase is estimated to affect the
[1:21:49] average Kaysville household valuing
[1:21:52] $690,000,
[1:21:55] $10.11 a month or $121.29
[1:22:00] annually,
[1:22:01] and the average [snorts] business valued
[1:22:03] at $690,000,
[1:22:05] $18.38
[1:22:06] a month or $220.54
[1:22:10] annually.
[1:22:11] Other home values are shown here for
[1:22:14] reference on the slide.
[1:22:17] The tentative budgets will be available
[1:22:18] for public inspection, and if Kaysville
[1:22:20] City proceeds with the proposed tax rate
[1:22:23] increase, the city will provide notice
[1:22:25] of and conduct a public hearing where
[1:22:28] members of the public will have an
[1:22:30] opportunity to comment on the proposed
[1:22:32] tax rate increase. The public hearing is
[1:22:34] scheduled for June 4th, 2026.
[1:22:39] » [snorts and clears throat]
[1:22:40] >> The tentative budget is a working
[1:22:41] document.
[1:22:43] This is in no way final and council and
[1:22:45] staff have worked hard to collaborate
[1:22:47] together to get the tax rate down while
[1:22:50] still funding needs of the city.
[1:22:52] I expect we'll be scheduling more work
[1:22:55] sessions between now and the public
[1:22:56] hearing date to continue work on the
[1:22:58] budget.
[1:23:00] I want to thank the council, mayor,
[1:23:03] and department heads for being willing
[1:23:04] to work together and keep the residents
[1:23:06] of Kaysville top of mind while also
[1:23:08] balancing the needs of the city.
[1:23:11] It's not an easy job. Some might call it
[1:23:13] a delicate dance.
[1:23:15] I'm very proud to be a part of this team
[1:23:17] and I've been very impressed with how
[1:23:18] we've come together and kept in mind
[1:23:20] that we all have the same goal
[1:23:22] to enhance the present and future
[1:23:24] quality of community life in Kaysville
[1:23:27] through the delivery of effective,
[1:23:29] efficient, and equitable services.
[1:23:32] An interim budget will be prepared after
[1:23:34] the June public hearing date and will be
[1:23:36] presented June 18th.
[1:23:38] And once passed, be in effect from July
[1:23:40] 1st until August 7th, 2026 or the public
[1:23:44] hearing for truth and taxation and final
[1:23:47] budget adoption date.
[1:23:50] And I have some other slides that Jason
[1:23:51] can speak to just kind of showing some
[1:23:53] history and
[1:23:55] >> [clears throat]
[1:23:55] >> information.
[1:23:58] Great.
[1:23:59] So,
[1:24:00] I think the takeaway from this slide is
[1:24:01] over the last 30 years, our rate is
[1:24:04] actually less um
[1:24:08] If you look at that uh 0.0018, slightly
[1:24:10] above in 1997, and we're down to just
[1:24:13] over the uh 0.0014
[1:24:16] uh as of 2025 and 2025. So,
[1:24:20] uh
[1:24:22] you can obviously see some of the the
[1:24:24] times where it's increased in 2014 where
[1:24:27] there was a TNT truth and taxation done
[1:24:30] to raise
[1:24:32] um
[1:24:33] revenues to pay off the police station
[1:24:35] bonds.
[1:24:37] And then in 2021 we added paramedics to
[1:24:39] our firefighter our fire departments.
[1:24:43] And then 2023 was when we did a
[1:24:46] an increase to
[1:24:48] mostly um
[1:24:50] increase uh
[1:24:52] compensation for public safety police
[1:24:54] officers.
[1:24:55] Um
[1:24:57] So, I think the takeaway there is really
[1:25:00] we haven't done a whole lot to do truth
[1:25:02] and taxation just to capture inflation
[1:25:06] growth. And if we don't do truth and
[1:25:08] taxation as you know to capture
[1:25:10] inflation then by doing nothing we
[1:25:13] actually are bringing in
[1:25:15] less dollars year-over-year when you
[1:25:17] look at inflation factors.
[1:25:20] So,
[1:25:21] um
[1:25:22] I guess next slide uh again I think this
[1:25:25] is one of the
[1:25:26] most obvious barometers if you will
[1:25:30] and and how we're operating as a city
[1:25:32] and um we've continued to be among the
[1:25:35] lowest uh in tax rate among the 15
[1:25:38] cities. We're currently the third lowest
[1:25:40] tax rate of all 15 cities. Um with the
[1:25:45] tentative budget as currently proposed
[1:25:48] uh we would still be
[1:25:49] uh in the lower half as you can see
[1:25:51] number nine out of 15.
[1:25:53] Um
[1:25:54] Next
[1:25:55] >> I I will add that I've spoken to several
[1:25:57] cities and at least six of of the 15,
[1:26:01] six or seven, are also planning truth
[1:26:04] and taxation. And so I believe that we
[1:26:07] would still be in the bottom five. Oh.
[1:26:10] Okay.
[1:26:13] Perfect. Um
[1:26:15] and then this is again the slide we've
[1:26:17] uh
[1:26:18] seen before, but
[1:26:20] uh this is the total
[1:26:22] anticipated impact on residents. Um
[1:26:26] if you look at the property tax that
[1:26:29] current increase that's currently
[1:26:31] proposed again is about $10.11 per
[1:26:34] month. That would be for the average
[1:26:36] house value in Kaysville.
[1:26:39] And then, the other numbers below that
[1:26:42] uh the utility numbers are just based on
[1:26:44] average use. Um so, you can see $1.63 is
[1:26:48] the average impact for the water, $1.31
[1:26:52] for electric per month. Um sanitation
[1:26:54] and sewer going up um
[1:26:57] $1.62 and $3.25, but that's mostly just
[1:26:59] pass-through costs from the sewer
[1:27:00] district and Robinson Waste.
[1:27:03] Uh you can see the total low impact to
[1:27:05] the average resident is about $20.32
[1:27:08] a month.
[1:27:09] Um
[1:27:10] and
[1:27:11] next slide.
[1:27:15] So, this is just This is always a nice
[1:27:17] snapshot. As we remember
[1:27:20] uh the total property tax bill and how
[1:27:23] much of that actually goes to the city
[1:27:24] of Kaysville. Um it ranges anywhere from
[1:27:28] 16 15 16 18%. Um most obviously goes to
[1:27:32] the school district.
[1:27:34] And
[1:27:36] you know, that that goes to pay for
[1:27:37] everything from fire, police, parks.
[1:27:39] It's just a lot for a relatively small
[1:27:43] piece of the pie.
[1:27:45] And next slide.
[1:27:47] Is that the last one? Great. And I I
[1:27:48] think the last stress we want to make is
[1:27:50] um obviously a lot of work's been done.
[1:27:52] Ton of credit to council, to Maureen and
[1:27:55] Parker, and all the department heads for
[1:27:57] the hard work and just sifting through
[1:27:59] the budget, finding ways to save while
[1:28:01] being responsible. I think we've had
[1:28:03] some really good conversations. For the
[1:28:05] first time, I think to my knowledge
[1:28:08] uh
[1:28:09] we've had discussions that don't just
[1:28:11] focus on the current year, but what's
[1:28:13] going to happen in the next year, the
[1:28:14] next year, which is just what we should
[1:28:16] be doing. And huge credit to Marine for
[1:28:19] that great spreadsheet she had the other
[1:28:20] night that was a live active spreadsheet
[1:28:22] that helped us see, all right, if we if
[1:28:24] we defer this particular expense, what
[1:28:26] happens to that expense if it goes on
[1:28:28] next year's taxes and just really helped
[1:28:30] us, I think, see the big picture. And
[1:28:33] that's so important. And I know there's
[1:28:35] a lot of work to be done still. We
[1:28:37] expect we're going to do another work
[1:28:38] session. I guess we'll talk about that
[1:28:39] in second. Um, but I know we're we're
[1:28:42] still looking for ways to to further
[1:28:46] save, find ways to operate efficiently
[1:28:49] wherever we can, um, and be responsible
[1:28:53] for the mission we have that to take
[1:28:55] care of our services in a responsible
[1:28:57] way while also doing it as
[1:28:58] cost-effective as possible. And uh, I'm
[1:29:01] excited about where we're going with
[1:29:03] that. Again, just I I think some of the
[1:29:05] best conversations this city has had in
[1:29:07] a long time about the budget have just
[1:29:08] been occurring the last couple months.
[1:29:10] So, I'm I'm really proud of everybody
[1:29:12] for the hard work they've been doing on
[1:29:14] all sides all around. So,
[1:29:16] um,
[1:29:17] with that, I know there's still a lot of
[1:29:19] work to be done and I think we were
[1:29:20] going to talk about scheduling another
[1:29:21] work session. We will. Um, I was going
[1:29:24] to just mention we do have someone
[1:29:25] signed up for public comment before we
[1:29:27] go. And and I just want to make a quick
[1:29:30] statement. None of us, and I speak very
[1:29:32] confidently for every single council
[1:29:34] member, wants to increase taxes.
[1:29:37] Okay? We also shop at the grocery store.
[1:29:39] We also know how much milk costs and
[1:29:42] gas. And it is heartburn
[1:29:45] to even have discussions about this.
[1:29:47] However, last year we did make some
[1:29:49] commitments that we have to honor.
[1:29:52] You can't be a city that commits to uh
[1:29:55] to doing something and then not do it.
[1:29:58] And so, we are doing everything that we
[1:29:59] can as a council to work with staff to
[1:30:03] decrease the percentage and the dollar
[1:30:05] amount of impact to our residents, and
[1:30:08] we will continue to work hard to do it.
[1:30:10] We have several months still to be able
[1:30:13] to continue these conversations. None of
[1:30:16] us want
[1:30:17] to to a tax increase.
[1:30:19] None of us, and because we know what it
[1:30:21] means. We know that it means um it's an
[1:30:23] impact to your pocketbooks and to your
[1:30:25] families and to your lives, and so as I
[1:30:27] preface that, I do have one person that
[1:30:29] signed up to speak. It is Lorraine
[1:30:31] Starkey, and then we will have I have a
[1:30:33] question.
[1:30:34] >> Comment. Oh, go ahead. Just a quick
[1:30:35] question. I noticed on that on the previous slides, there's two
[1:30:39] numbers. There's a 17.59%
[1:30:42] Oh, yeah. versus the 21%.
[1:30:45] Just trying to get clarification on
[1:30:47] that.
[1:30:47] Yeah, so the state requires that we um
[1:30:51] report on the statement of intent that
[1:30:53] the percentage of increase of revenue,
[1:30:55] which is the 17.59. Okay. The 21.97 is
[1:30:59] the rate increase, and that's what's
[1:31:01] going to show on the valuation notices that get sent out
[1:31:05] to the city. Okay. So, that's the 21.97
[1:31:08] we had built in that live spreadsheet.
[1:31:09] Okay.
[1:31:10] Thank you. Yes. So, that just to
[1:31:13] clarify, so the notice that will go out,
[1:31:15] should we move forward with choosing
[1:31:17] truth in taxation, is the 17.59%
[1:31:20] because that is the increase. No, sorry.
[1:31:22] 17.59 is revenue. We we notice of the
[1:31:26] rate increasing, which is the 21.97 that
[1:31:29] we got to Tuesday night so far. Okay, so
[1:31:32] far in our discussions today.
[1:31:33] >> so the rate will go up 21%.
[1:31:36] Yes.
[1:31:37] >> of the amount will be 17%.
[1:31:39] >> Correct. That's a Thank you for wording
[1:31:41] it that way. Yes. Thank you. Okay. All
[1:31:43] right, Mrs. Starkey, please come up.
[1:31:48] Um yeah, I can unplug. One second. No,
[1:31:50] you can leave it up. Oh, okay. If it's
[1:31:52] in your way.
[1:31:55] Okay, so I got up at the
[1:31:58] county meeting after someone had
[1:32:01] invited them to do a prayer and they
[1:32:03] didn't so she gave a prayer and I'm just
[1:32:05] going to do it. Dear heavenly father, we
[1:32:07] are so grateful for
[1:32:09] a constitution and an an ability for for
[1:32:13] um citizens
[1:32:15] to engage. We're thankful for the hours
[1:32:19] and hours and hours of um
[1:32:22] effort to make a sacrifice to
[1:32:25] lower the
[1:32:27] tax increase and we're thankful for the
[1:32:29] questions of each one of the
[1:32:32] council members and the
[1:32:35] staff as they've deliberated and
[1:32:39] worked to lower the
[1:32:43] increase on the widows and the single
[1:32:46] parent families and the the single
[1:32:50] the families of those that have one
[1:32:52] income. We're thankful for those that
[1:32:54] are
[1:32:55] um
[1:32:56] struggling with their health
[1:32:58] and that are
[1:33:00] wondering if they can stay in Kaysville
[1:33:01] because of the taxes. We're thankful for
[1:33:03] the efforts of each one of the
[1:33:07] council members and we pray for them one
[1:33:09] by one. Um Don Adams, Abigail Hunt,
[1:33:14] Mayor Tran,
[1:33:18] Nate Jackson,
[1:33:20] Josh McBride and Mike Blackham. We pray
[1:33:23] for our
[1:33:25] city manager and our community
[1:33:27] development director and we pray for
[1:33:29] each one of our
[1:33:30] leaders and especially that we can fill
[1:33:32] the staff with adept
[1:33:35] people when we are losing them. We are
[1:33:36] thankful for the citizens who choose to
[1:33:39] engage. We're thankful for
[1:33:42] those citizens that may not yet choose
[1:33:44] to engage that may find out that it's
[1:33:46] worth it. We thank thee for all the time
[1:33:48] that we have
[1:33:49] um
[1:33:51] to engage and the feeling that we have
[1:33:53] when we do that in the name of Jesus
[1:33:55] Christ. Amen. Amen. Thank you.
[1:33:58] so much.
[1:34:00] Okay, council discussion. We have to so
[1:34:03] the state law has some new requirements.
[1:34:05] Each one of these items on your agenda
[1:34:07] has to be voted on separately. So, now's
[1:34:10] the time for a conversation, questions,
[1:34:14] and then we will have to vote after each
[1:34:17] um bullet point.
[1:34:21] Can [clears throat] I ask a quick
[1:34:22] question?
[1:34:22] >> Absolutely,
[1:34:23] Council Member McMahon. So, you are
[1:34:25] going to have an additional work session
[1:34:27] >> Yes.
[1:34:28] >> that discusses
[1:34:29] where the income comes from. Is that
[1:34:31] correct? Is that how that works? Jason.
[1:34:33] Yes. Okay. So, this is how it's spent,
[1:34:35] then we're going to have another
[1:34:36] discussion on where it comes from and
[1:34:37] how we generate the revenue.
[1:34:41] So, I know there was a desire to have uh
[1:34:42] further discussion on how to get the the
[1:34:44] numbers down and look for further
[1:34:47] just understanding, I guess, of
[1:34:48] everything. And so, whatever that means
[1:34:50] to the council, whatever specific
[1:34:52] questions that you want us to bring
[1:34:54] answers to, um
[1:34:56] that's that's what this will be about.
[1:34:58] So.
[1:35:00] Well, cuz I I one thing that I've talked
[1:35:02] about is the impact fees and trying to
[1:35:04] see where we are on those and generate
[1:35:06] those things. And so we can get a more accurate
[1:35:09] breakdown of where all funds come from
[1:35:12] that generate this number.
[1:35:13] Maybe help the city.
[1:35:15] That makes sense. Yeah, and and
[1:35:18] I think so. I I just say in just
[1:35:20] general, I know there's a lot of
[1:35:21] questions. So,
[1:35:22] um for the next session, uh if you could
[1:35:26] maybe email me and Moran uh questions,
[1:35:29] things specifically that you really want
[1:35:30] us to be able to answer clearly, we'll
[1:35:32] try to prepare really clear, you know,
[1:35:34] uh data, slides, whatever we can to make
[1:35:37] sure those those are clear. Perfect.
[1:35:39] >> So. Thank you.
[1:35:40] >> Yeah, for sure.
[1:35:42] Thank you. Any other discussion,
[1:35:44] council?
[1:35:45] Member Hart, you look like
[1:35:47] you've got one.
[1:35:47] >> Yeah, are we are we okay to make
[1:35:49] comments or we only on questions right
[1:35:50] now?
[1:35:50] >> comments. Okay. Um
[1:35:52] I mean, I think
[1:35:53] I just want to echo what's kind of
[1:35:55] already been said, which is that this is
[1:35:56] tentative. Um,
[1:35:58] we've had a lot of great discussions.
[1:36:01] Um,
[1:36:03] but yeah, I I don't think it's where I'm
[1:36:05] comfortable with it being the final
[1:36:06] budget yet, but um, I know we've made
[1:36:08] progress and um, I just want to say
[1:36:11] thanks to all of the staff who put a lot
[1:36:12] of work into it and also the council.
[1:36:14] We've
[1:36:15] really tried to work hard on it and um,
[1:36:17] come to
[1:36:18] something that can be beneficial for the
[1:36:20] residents. So, yeah, I I yeah, I guess I
[1:36:22] just want to say that you know, it's
[1:36:23] tentative. We're still working. We're
[1:36:24] going to keep working. We're going to
[1:36:25] keep listening. Reach out, please. If
[1:36:28] you have ideas, please reach out. Um,
[1:36:30] yeah, thanks. Thank you. And I will um,
[1:36:33] also add once we get to the point where
[1:36:35] we're making an actual decision, we will
[1:36:38] provide a list of, you know, asks
[1:36:41] and requests and and decisions as far as
[1:36:44] those asks and requests go, so that
[1:36:46] you'll be able to see what we were able
[1:36:48] to say, okay, we've got to defer, no, we
[1:36:51] can't, all the reasons. We're going to
[1:36:53] provide you with as much information as
[1:36:55] possible as we make these decisions.
[1:36:58] Anyone else?
[1:37:02] Okay. Just have a question.
[1:37:03] >> Okay. You know, in when you adopt a
[1:37:05] tentative budget like this,
[1:37:08] I mean, there are the items um, if
[1:37:11] you're deciding you're going to do a
[1:37:12] truth in taxation, okay, which we're
[1:37:15] pretty much saying we're going to do
[1:37:16] truth in taxation, so we can do this if
[1:37:19] that I mean, I shouldn't say we're
[1:37:21] saying we're going to, we're talking
[1:37:23] about it.
[1:37:24] Um,
[1:37:25] can you also include such that
[1:37:28] come July 1st, because you don't
[1:37:31] technically have a budget yet, that you
[1:37:33] have a tentative budget, but you don't
[1:37:34] have a final budget,
[1:37:36] can you say
[1:37:39] go ahead and start the employee portions
[1:37:42] of it, which would be the cola
[1:37:45] and maybe the merits for those who
[1:37:47] deserve it, but hold off on all the
[1:37:49] other things
[1:37:50] before
[1:37:52] the tax increase is done.
[1:37:56] Yes, so that's actually one of the new
[1:37:58] requirements as well is that we have to
[1:37:59] prepare an interim budget which keeps
[1:38:02] the property tax increase in its own
[1:38:04] separate fund and that money's those
[1:38:06] money's won't be spent until
[1:38:09] or if they're approved in August. So the
[1:38:12] Cola and merit, I mean we haven't
[1:38:14] discussed that but probably won't go
[1:38:15] into effect until August and then we
[1:38:17] would just
[1:38:18] um back pay and pro rate those amounts
[1:38:20] from July 1. Okay. Yeah, so the money's
[1:38:23] won't be spent until they're
[1:38:25] >> be spent until after. Until after it's
[1:38:27] approved, yes. Okay.
[1:38:29] Which is a which is the new law from
[1:38:30] 2026. So that it provides a little bit
[1:38:33] more time to have clarity and make sure
[1:38:37] that it is as transparent as possible,
[1:38:39] so.
[1:38:41] Okay, council members.
[1:38:43] Any other comments? So what we would be
[1:38:45] doing is taking action on this item and
[1:38:47] then we would move towards to the next
[1:38:49] item and there are five of them, I think
[1:38:53] that are related to this.
[1:38:57] So to remind you, this would be that the
[1:39:00] tentative budget includes a proposed tax
[1:39:03] increase with appropriate percentage
[1:39:05] increase of 17.59
[1:39:07] etc. etc. for these things that are
[1:39:09] listed.
[1:39:11] So here's the next question.
[1:39:13] What if we don't approve the tentative
[1:39:15] budget tonight?
[1:39:18] Tell me what's the results of that. What
[1:39:20] happens next? It's a good question.
[1:39:23] I believe we would we would schedule
[1:39:24] another meeting. Don't we have until the
[1:39:26] 15th? What is the last day?
[1:39:30] Isn't it the first I thought it was the 8th. You had to
[1:39:33] have it done by the 8th.
[1:39:35] >> meeting but it had to be done in May.
[1:39:37] Yeah, which would be the 8th. That gives
[1:39:39] everybody a week.
[1:39:41] >> Okay, so we'd have to have another
[1:39:42] meeting tomorrow. I Okay. Okay. Yeah,
[1:39:44] that's a great question. I I know the
[1:39:46] old law was you have to have it approved
[1:39:48] by our interpretation was always that by
[1:39:51] the end of the month, by the end of May.
[1:39:53] I know the new law says you got to
[1:39:54] approve it at the first meeting, regular
[1:39:56] meeting.
[1:39:57] Or or by the end
[1:39:58] >> But what I would suggest in this case is
[1:40:00] that if the tentative budget is just
[1:40:03] that,
[1:40:04] we can we can have additional versions,
[1:40:06] modified tentative budget, you know, if
[1:40:08] we want to make further adjustments to
[1:40:09] it, but I think
[1:40:11] the important thing for the state is
[1:40:13] that we make it clear from the beginning
[1:40:14] like this is where we're going right
[1:40:16] now. It doesn't mean anything it's not
[1:40:17] going to change. Um but if for example,
[1:40:21] we're looking at
[1:40:22] a property tax increase through the
[1:40:23] taxation, the the quicker we get that
[1:40:25] out there, the the better. Like state
[1:40:27] doesn't want obviously us to
[1:40:31] not give enough time.
[1:40:33] So, I if there are concerns with the
[1:40:35] tentative budget, I think it would just
[1:40:36] be all right, we're going to just do
[1:40:37] this to get through it tonight um to
[1:40:40] comply with state law, but
[1:40:43] we're going to continue to look at this,
[1:40:44] maybe modify it.
[1:40:46] Um
[1:40:48] Well, and and as I've said in the past,
[1:40:50] I mean
[1:40:51] um
[1:40:52] I'm still not comfortable with the and
[1:40:55] it's not just the tax increase, it's the
[1:40:57] rate increase that's also part of it.
[1:41:00] I know it's not a lot, but it does
[1:41:01] double the cost of the monthly
[1:41:04] bill to people.
[1:41:06] Um I believe you showed a slide a minute
[1:41:08] ago or little bit ago that showed the
[1:41:11] total for the month.
[1:41:12] $10 of it was the tax increase, but also
[1:41:15] an additional $10 or so was the rate
[1:41:18] increases,
[1:41:19] which
[1:41:20] even though we didn't get a tax increase
[1:41:22] last year, we did get rate increases.
[1:41:25] So, I'm still not comfortable with
[1:41:27] rate increases yet. I know there has to
[1:41:29] be some probably,
[1:41:31] but
[1:41:32] is there any way that we can adopt a
[1:41:34] tentative budget
[1:41:36] holding the rate increases without the
[1:41:38] increases for now and talk about them
[1:41:40] some more or would you more comfortable council
[1:41:44] adopting it with the rate increases
[1:41:46] and talking about it some more later
[1:41:49] also. I will say two of the two of the
[1:41:51] rate increases are passed through.
[1:41:53] Right. So they are going to be
[1:41:54] automatically
[1:41:56] Okay. Because they were voted on by
[1:41:57] other bodies and not Keeseville city.
[1:42:00] Um
[1:42:01] But but I don't know the answer to that
[1:42:03] question. So Nick, what do you think or
[1:42:05] Jason? I The state code I just put it up
[1:42:08] on the screen.
[1:42:10] Okay.
[1:42:25] So it is still May.
[1:42:27] Wait.
[1:42:29] No, on or before the first scheduled
[1:42:30] meeting in the last May
[1:42:33] of the current period.
[1:42:36] On that says it was effective 5 10 2016.
[1:42:40] >> this is the old So that's the old one.
[1:42:42] Yeah.
[1:42:42] I wouldn't be there.
[1:42:44] >> [clears throat]
[1:42:44] >> Um while we're waiting on that
[1:42:48] I I I think I misunderstood. So you said
[1:42:50] the current budget does what to double
[1:42:52] something?
[1:42:53] >> No, no, no. I'm just saying let's go
[1:42:54] back go back to the fees. Go back to
[1:42:56] what it shows the monthly cost is. Can
[1:42:58] you find that slide? Anybody
[1:42:59] >> The slide that shows the rate increases.
[1:43:02] total monthly cost.
[1:43:08] Showed $10 for the gas.
[1:43:09] >> that breakdown of the monthly.
[1:43:11] >> It showed the breakdown of the monthly,
[1:43:12] but bottom line is it's
[1:43:14] $20 instead of 10, you know, which is
[1:43:18] Uh we're close. We're real close. There
[1:43:20] you go, $20. And so
[1:43:22] that's why I say I I still like to
[1:43:25] discuss them. I know there's some
[1:43:26] pass-throughs and we don't have an
[1:43:28] option on stuff like that. And and
[1:43:31] they're not big amounts, but they add
[1:43:33] up. And they are part of an increase
[1:43:36] that we did last year because we did get
[1:43:37] the rate increases last year.
[1:43:40] Um we did not get the tax increase, but
[1:43:42] we did get the rate increase.
[1:43:43] >> Right. And I and I will say if we'd have
[1:43:45] gotten the tax increase last year, it
[1:43:47] was probably about 34% and
[1:43:52] I don't know what a year's done, but
[1:43:53] it's made it so we've gotten it down to
[1:43:55] about 17% which is good.
[1:43:59] I think we spent a lot of time on it, so
[1:44:01] it's good.
[1:44:01] >> Yeah, exactly. And we found ways to but
[1:44:04] I still
[1:44:05] would like to you know and if it's if
[1:44:08] it's truly just a tentative budget and
[1:44:12] we're going to talk about all these
[1:44:14] then I'm not so concerned, but if I'm
[1:44:16] like
[1:44:17] adopting a tentative budget that also
[1:44:19] includes rate increases
[1:44:22] I'm not comfortable with that yet. Why
[1:44:24] don't you make a motion that
[1:44:26] emphasizes that?
[1:44:29] Well, I want more discussion. I want to
[1:44:30] hear what other people have to say.
[1:44:33] I'm not ready for a Cuz we still have
[1:44:36] Well, I just just because the next item
[1:44:38] is statement of budget officer of the
[1:44:40] tentative budget includes a proposed
[1:44:43] property tax increase. The next one is
[1:44:45] property tax impact schedule. The next
[1:44:48] one is
[1:44:49] um tax increase and tax impact schedule.
[1:44:53] The next one is a public hearing and the
[1:44:55] next one is consideration of revenues
[1:44:58] and a date. So
[1:45:00] I don't know where that falls into um
[1:45:02] It'd be the first one.
[1:45:03] >> into this one. I guess it would just be
[1:45:05] the first one. Can you It'd be the first
[1:45:06] one.
[1:45:06] >> What do you guys think?
[1:45:09] Any comments? Again, what if we don't?
[1:45:12] What What if we What if we don't do
[1:45:13] this?
[1:45:15] If we don't include it
[1:45:17] what's the ramifications of that?
[1:45:18] Anything?
[1:45:20] Um including the rate fee schedule?
[1:45:23] Yeah. Well, just just there There items
[1:45:25] that we that will automatically get
[1:45:27] increased.
[1:45:29] Even if we don't approve it, I think it
[1:45:30] still gets increased. Am I correct
[1:45:32] because the rates have already been set
[1:45:33] by other entities? I mean, some of these
[1:45:35] are yeah, for sure pass-through fees
[1:45:37] that we can't control.
[1:45:39] >> Um
[1:45:40] Not that I want to pay them, but I don't
[1:45:42] think we have a choice. I guess is my
[1:45:44] question.
[1:45:46] I mean, yeah, without Do you want to
[1:45:49] speak to it?
[1:45:51] I'm certainly not. I mean, you can your
[1:45:53] council's free to do whatever they want.
[1:45:56] This is a brand new law that's been
[1:45:57] enacted this year.
[1:45:59] So, candidly, I don't think I think a
[1:46:01] lot of the municipalities around the
[1:46:03] state are a little gun-shy because uh of
[1:46:06] the strict [clears throat]
[1:46:08] uh interpretation that the tax
[1:46:09] commission took last year.
[1:46:11] uh I think it was like 85
[1:46:15] municipalities tried to enact truth in
[1:46:18] taxation, did not We were one of them.
[1:46:20] We did not meet technical requirements
[1:46:22] of the law.
[1:46:23] And, you know, probably rightfully so,
[1:46:26] the tax commission didn't allow us to
[1:46:27] impose that tax.
[1:46:29] In the
[1:46:30] between that time, we were just getting
[1:46:32] used to that new law, and this uh
[1:46:35] legislative session, they've revamped
[1:46:37] the entire
[1:46:38] uh well, not the entire, but large
[1:46:40] portions of the tax.
[1:46:43] Um
[1:46:44] tonight, all that's happening is
[1:46:46] you're adopting the tentative budget.
[1:46:48] You're not committing to anything.
[1:46:50] You're not committing to
[1:46:53] I mean, really, you're kind of setting
[1:46:55] the ceiling, basically. You're saying,
[1:46:58] "We could go through with this, but this
[1:47:00] is the ceiling of what we're going to
[1:47:01] do."
[1:47:02] And, it's been my experience that as
[1:47:05] Kaysville City Council's always been
[1:47:06] fiscally conservative and worked
[1:47:08] diligently [clears throat] and long To
[1:47:10] see if they can lower that ceiling.
[1:47:12] >> lower that. Okay. Um I I haven't had enough time, candidly, to
[1:47:17] answer this question, and this is a
[1:47:18] complex question, and it's not an area
[1:47:21] of law that I'm super
[1:47:23] uh
[1:47:25] I mean, I'm familiar with the tax law,
[1:47:26] but it's not my forte. So, I would
[1:47:28] caution you if you don't adopt it
[1:47:30] tonight, I can't tell you legally what
[1:47:33] exactly the ramifications would be.
[1:47:36] Okay. I'm I'm not saying that you should do that necessarily. I
[1:47:42] just can't advise you legally because
[1:47:45] Okay.
[1:47:45] >> I was under the impression we were
[1:47:47] compliant last year as well. Well, and and we were as well. I guess I guess
[1:47:51] the risk we run is we don't adopt it and
[1:47:54] they say you didn't follow the rules, so
[1:47:56] you're denied for a second year. That
[1:47:58] could happen.
[1:48:00] Or um
[1:48:03] or not, I don't know. So, okay. Council
[1:48:05] Member Jackson. Yeah, I I think we
[1:48:07] should include this absolutely because
[1:48:11] to be risk adverse here and
[1:48:14] to me it's about transparency because
[1:48:16] we're going to have many more
[1:48:17] discussions. We're going to have another
[1:48:19] budget meeting, public hearings, and it
[1:48:21] really allows us in front of the public
[1:48:23] to go through each line item and to go
[1:48:26] back and say, "Okay, exactly why
[1:48:29] uh does pressure irrigation need that
[1:48:31] dollar? Or why does water need a dollar
[1:48:32] 63?" And so,
[1:48:35] I think we should
[1:48:36] just move forward, get this done,
[1:48:40] um pass this tentative budget, and then
[1:48:42] really continue to dig in like we did
[1:48:44] this week earlier. So. Council Member
[1:48:46] Hunt.
[1:48:47] Thank you. Um
[1:48:49] I
[1:48:50] kind of like I said before, this is
[1:48:51] tentative. I also did the math. If we're
[1:48:53] not taking into account sanitation and
[1:48:55] sewer, not that I love it, but it's not
[1:48:59] a full $10. For just us, it's 534.
[1:49:02] Um so, I just wanted to put that number
[1:49:03] out there as potentially a more accurate
[1:49:05] reflection of what we as a city
[1:49:08] would actually be looking to possibly
[1:49:11] change um or tentatively approve, but to
[1:49:14] me tentative
[1:49:16] uh I just think of it kind of as wet
[1:49:17] clay, you know, and if you're like my
[1:49:19] kids, you can still punch it flat. Like
[1:49:22] you can go to town on it. So, I think we
[1:49:23] can we can still shave off if we want um
[1:49:27] and get this to where we want it. I
[1:49:28] think approving it doesn't I think tire
[1:49:30] hands in any ways, which is why kind of
[1:49:32] like Councilmember Jackson was saying
[1:49:34] feel comfortable
[1:49:35] uh going through with this and and and
[1:49:37] really going through each of those line
[1:49:38] items again.
[1:49:41] Thank you for your comments. Anyone
[1:49:42] else?
[1:49:44] Councilmember Adams. It's the only thing
[1:49:45] that I mean
[1:49:47] >> [clears throat]
[1:49:48] >> Yeah, when I was uh
[1:49:50] when I was young, my family didn't have We we rented VCRs.
[1:49:56] I don't know if you guys remember
[1:49:57] renting VCRs when you wanted to watch a video.
[1:50:01] And so, we would go to the video store
[1:50:04] and rent VCRs uh
[1:50:05] and we'd have it for a few days and we
[1:50:08] would just watch whatever tapes we
[1:50:10] happen to have or
[1:50:12] um
[1:50:12] one time we got Beetlejuice and he said
[1:50:14] the F-word and my dad took that thing
[1:50:16] back so fast. So, um
[1:50:19] we one of the tapes we had is this kind
[1:50:22] of just a long story to explain my
[1:50:24] point, but one of the tapes we owned was
[1:50:26] this movie called Dave. I don't know if
[1:50:28] any of you remember the movie Dave, but
[1:50:30] I've watched it probably
[1:50:32] 250 times.
[1:50:34] Um
[1:50:35] and you know, there's this scene you
[1:50:38] where the the character
[1:50:40] uh Gene Kline is playing, he's
[1:50:42] pretending to be the president and he's
[1:50:45] wanting to save this uh bill that or
[1:50:48] this funding for something that's
[1:50:49] important to the
[1:50:51] uh
[1:50:53] what's kind of his wife. Anyway, weird
[1:50:55] situation, but um
[1:50:57] the guys say to him, "If you can cut
[1:50:59] this amount out of the budget, then
[1:51:01] we'll save that." And he invites his
[1:51:03] friend the accountant over.
[1:51:05] Uh
[1:51:06] >> [snorts]
[1:51:06] >> I think Richard Dreyfuss or somebody and
[1:51:08] they work through it
[1:51:10] all night and he figures out.
[1:51:13] Um right now I feel a little bit like
[1:51:16] Dave in that moment. I feel like the
[1:51:19] night's just beginning
[1:51:20] and I have some ideas in mind of how to
[1:51:25] chisel this down a little bit further.
[1:51:28] Last night we did a really good job. We
[1:51:29] went from 31 to 21.
[1:51:32] And so um
[1:51:34] you know, that's just kind of uh
[1:51:37] just a little bit of a foreshadowing of
[1:51:39] where I sit right now, I guess, so that
[1:51:41] everybody knows that um
[1:51:44] that having watched Dave so many times
[1:51:47] is having an impact on me. Um and some
[1:51:50] things that have happened to me today
[1:51:52] are helping me be me to be a little bit
[1:51:54] more reflective, so
[1:51:56] that's it, Mayor. Thanks. Thank you,
[1:51:59] Council Member Adams. All right, are we
[1:52:00] ready?
[1:52:02] Okay. I just want to say I appreciate
[1:52:05] the discussion from my council.
[1:52:07] >> [laughter]
[1:52:08] >> Thank you, Council Member Blackum.
[1:52:09] Thanks. It's a great movie, too. Yes.
[1:52:11] Okay.
[1:52:13] I I I just want to be super clear cuz
[1:52:15] I'm not sure if everybody in the room is
[1:52:16] or not, but so this page it just the
[1:52:18] $20.32
[1:52:21] a month increase
[1:52:23] um is is a 7.67%
[1:52:26] increase per month. Um
[1:52:29] so just
[1:52:31] to be clear, 7.67% increase total.
[1:52:35] Um
[1:52:37] that's all. Okay, thank you. Which which
[1:52:40] we still understand is impactful, so
[1:52:42] don't don't think we're trying to
[1:52:43] minimize any of these numbers. We're
[1:52:46] just trying to be clear.
[1:52:47] Okay, would someone like to make a
[1:52:48] motion then on item A?
[1:52:54] I'll try.
[1:52:57] I will make a motion
[1:52:59] that we
[1:53:01] adopt the tentative budget with the
[1:53:05] caveat
[1:53:08] You have to do one resolution at a time.
[1:53:11] Yes, right. Action item
[1:53:12] >> Okay, but A say isn't it the tentative
[1:53:14] budget?
[1:53:15] You have to read it exactly as it's
[1:53:17] stated.
[1:53:22] E, it's not on E on mine. It's
[1:53:26] Okay, so just if you'll just read A and
[1:53:28] then add your caveat. The D that says a
[1:53:31] resolution acknowledging the proposed
[1:53:34] tax increase. Then what is A?
[1:53:39] E is a notice. We just have to the new
[1:53:41] law requires that each each letter has its own
[1:53:46] vote.
[1:53:47] >> I was just concerned cuz that's the one
[1:53:48] that's got the actual numbers.
[1:53:51] Yeah, so if you don't want to Well, we
[1:53:53] haven't spoken to it yet. E anyway.
[1:53:55] We're speaking to A, right?
[1:54:00] Oh, no. A does have numbers. Okay, so if
[1:54:02] you'll read it and then add your caveat
[1:54:03] to that.
[1:54:04] >> Well, the only reason I'm saying is cuz
[1:54:07] E
[1:54:08] is the adopting tentative budget and
[1:54:10] property tax schedule impact. I thought
[1:54:14] the A was adopting the
[1:54:16] tentative entire budget.
[1:54:20] in our
[1:54:23] We don't know why the state makes these
[1:54:25] laws. I don't either, especially since
[1:54:27] that one's got the numbers and the other
[1:54:29] one doesn't.
[1:54:31] No, we're just we've done that. We're
[1:54:33] moving
[1:54:35] We're to
[1:54:35] D at this point.
[1:54:36] >> Wait, wait. We haven't We haven't voted
[1:54:38] on any
[1:54:39] to vote on those?
[1:54:40] My note
[1:54:42] Okay, my note says state law wants each
[1:54:44] of these items to be addressed
[1:54:46] individually, but we don't have to vote
[1:54:48] on them. Okay, okay.
[1:54:50] The ones you can vote is D, E, and
[1:54:53] F.
[1:54:55] Okay.
[1:54:56] Sorry. Okay, that was confusing. I know.
[1:54:59] Welcome
[1:55:00] One was A A was a notice.
[1:55:03] B was a statement. C was a presentation.
[1:55:06] Okay, so Mike So Mike's motion is to
[1:55:10] address which letter? D. D.
[1:55:14] Okay. Uh I didn't make a motion. I'm
[1:55:16] going to rethink cuz I was reading A.
[1:55:19] So.
[1:55:20] >> [sighs]
[1:55:22] >> Okay, so we have to make a motion on D.
[1:55:25] Do we have to make a motion on E?
[1:55:27] And F.
[1:55:29] But not A through C.
[1:55:33] Okay.
[1:55:40] Would anyone like to make a motion on D?
[1:55:52] But D is not adoption. So, I feel really
[1:55:54] stupid. What is D and what is E? E says
[1:55:58] it's the adoption. And D is the
[1:56:00] presentation.
[1:56:02] >> You're acknowledging
[1:56:04] the property tax increase.
[1:56:07] You're just acknowledging there will be
[1:56:08] a proper where will
[1:56:10] We're looking at
[1:56:12] >> proposed
[1:56:12] >> Yeah, you're just reviewing that. Okay.
[1:56:15] And that the impact schedule Marin
[1:56:17] presented.
[1:56:18] >> Okay.
[1:56:19] I'll make a motion that we approve
[1:56:22] item D, consideration of a resolution
[1:56:24] acknowledging the proposed property tax
[1:56:26] increase and property tax impact
[1:56:27] schedule.
[1:56:28] I'll second that.
[1:56:30] Okay, we are on
[1:56:32] Council member Blackham. Aye.
[1:56:36] Nay.
[1:56:38] Aye. Aye.
[1:56:40] Okay, so now we are on item E. Right?
[1:56:43] Yes. Consideration of a resolution
[1:56:46] adopting the tentative budget and
[1:56:47] property tax impact schedule and setting
[1:56:50] a public hearing for the proposed
[1:56:51] property tax increase.
[1:56:54] Okay, this is the one I was actually
[1:56:56] thinking.
[1:56:56] >> Just for clarity, this item is going to
[1:56:59] adopt
[1:57:02] a form that shows how the tax impact and
[1:57:05] Ms. Nelson can speak. This is going to
[1:57:07] adopt the form that Ms. Nelson's
[1:57:10] presented that's on the screen, I
[1:57:12] believe.
[1:57:13] It's going to adopt that form and it's
[1:57:14] going to set a hearing date. That's what
[1:57:17] this item is doing. Okay, but but how can we do that when we haven't
[1:57:21] actually spoken or discussed our
[1:57:24] tentative schedule yet cuz we haven't
[1:57:26] agreed on anything yet.
[1:57:28] >> This one can change. Right. Okay.
[1:57:31] This one is a work in progress. Right.
[1:57:33] Yes, these are all tentative tonight.
[1:57:35] Okay.
[1:57:37] I just wanted to be clear on what
[1:57:39] because there was a little confusion on
[1:57:40] D1
[1:57:40] >> what this was doing.
[1:57:42] Okay.
[1:57:45] Any comments on this, anyone?
[1:57:48] I'm sure we have questions cuz this is
[1:57:50] confusing.
[1:57:53] So this is item 6E.
[1:57:56] Consideration of a resolution adopting
[1:57:58] the tentative budget and property tax
[1:58:00] impact schedule and setting a public
[1:58:02] hearing for the proposed property tax
[1:58:04] increase
[1:58:06] if it happens.
[1:58:09] Right? Okay.
[1:58:13] Comments, questions, motion.
[1:58:18] I'll make a motion that we approve item
[1:58:21] E, consideration of a resolution
[1:58:22] adopting the tentative budget and
[1:58:24] property tax impact schedule and setting
[1:58:26] a public hearing for the proposed
[1:58:28] property tax increase. I'll second.
[1:58:31] Okay, council member
[1:58:34] Sorry.
[1:58:36] McBride. Aye.
[1:58:37] Nay. Aye. Aye. Nay.
[1:58:41] Okay, motion carries
[1:58:44] with a
[1:58:45] three to two vote.
[1:58:47] Okay, item F,
[1:58:50] consideration of a resolution declaring
[1:58:52] intent to increase property tax
[1:58:54] revenues, setting a truth in taxation
[1:58:56] hearing, and directing notice to the
[1:58:59] county auditor and state commission. I
[1:59:00] have a question about this. I do, too.
[1:59:02] Since we're still having tentative
[1:59:04] discussions, then how can we have a
[1:59:07] resolution declaring that our intention
[1:59:09] is to do this when we haven't decided?
[1:59:11] Well, and So, this is
[1:59:13] um
[1:59:14] confusing in the law, but this is the
[1:59:17] beginning phase that you have to
[1:59:20] officially take action to say
[1:59:22] not not that you are going to do truth
[1:59:24] in taxation, not that you are going to
[1:59:26] adopt that rate. All you're doing
[1:59:28] tonight is you're saying this is what
[1:59:30] we're going to consider. This is the the
[1:59:32] ceiling again that we're going to
[1:59:34] consider. And what we want to do tonight
[1:59:36] as a council what you want to do tonight
[1:59:38] as a council, if you adopt this, is you
[1:59:41] want to set it for a public hearing so
[1:59:43] that you can hear from the public.
[1:59:45] That's all that we're doing. Regardless
[1:59:48] of whether or not we hold truth in
[1:59:49] taxation. One question, though. Yes. I'm
[1:59:51] concerned, though, at the very last
[1:59:53] sentence because I don't want the
[1:59:55] notices the tax notices I don't they
[1:59:57] have to get those prepared and send out
[1:59:58] to people in
[2:00:00] late July 1st of July. July 23rd 22nd.
[2:00:04] We won't even know what that really is
[2:00:07] until after the truth in taxation
[2:00:08] hearing. So,
[2:00:11] I'm nervous to set it at a high bar and
[2:00:14] then that's what they're going to get on
[2:00:15] their notices. So, is there any way
[2:00:18] that, you know, since we've already
[2:00:20] Yeah. done the budget, can we set a
[2:00:23] lower bar for that? Can we say
[2:00:26] 10% or I don't know. I'm just trying to
[2:00:28] say I don't I don't want the notice to
[2:00:30] go out and be completely inaccurate with
[2:00:32] what we're doing.
[2:00:33] >> have to call that back.
[2:00:34] >> Sorry. The amount that'll go on the
[2:00:37] notice is what you approve on June 18th.
[2:00:39] So, we still have a month plus work
[2:00:43] to create more of like an interim
[2:00:45] budget. That answers my
[2:00:47] >> And then June 18th, whatever you approve
[2:00:49] that, will go on the notice in July.
[2:00:52] Thank you. June 18th. That's That makes
[2:00:54] a lot more sense. These are all very
[2:00:56] confusing because they sound very final
[2:00:58] and in actuality [clears throat]
[2:01:00] they're very preliminary. Okay. So. So
[2:01:03] at by June 18th we should have an
[2:01:05] amount. Yes.
[2:01:07] And that amount will go out potentially
[2:01:10] with our cover letter and our comments
[2:01:13] from the county.
[2:01:15] And then the statement of intent. Okay.
[2:01:17] Let it be known that I do not like this
[2:01:19] law.
[2:01:21] >> [laughter]
[2:01:21] >> I don't like this law.
[2:01:21] >> Let it be known
[2:01:23] that we also don't want
[2:01:25] to do any kind of tax increase.
[2:01:27] We all are in agreement on that, guys.
[2:01:30] Okay. So would someone like to make a
[2:01:33] motion on that?
[2:01:34] >> Yep.
[2:01:35] I'll make a motion
[2:01:37] um
[2:01:38] on
[2:01:40] action items for the tentative budget uh
[2:01:43] item F, consideration of a resolution
[2:01:46] declaring intent to increase property
[2:01:48] tax revenues, setting a truth in
[2:01:50] taxation hearing and directing notice to
[2:01:52] the county auditor and state
[2:01:55] tax commission.
[2:01:57] >> [clears throat]
[2:01:57] >> I second that. Okay, thank you. We have
[2:01:59] a motion and a second. Council Member
[2:02:02] Adams.
[2:02:03] >> Nay.
[2:02:04] Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Okay, motion carries
[2:02:07] 4 to 1.
[2:02:09] All right, item seven, other action
[2:02:11] items. Approval of an a professional
[2:02:13] services agreement for the designing and
[2:02:15] consulting of a city cre- or a city
[2:02:17] skate park.
[2:02:19] Cole.
[2:02:22] Thank you, Parker.
[2:02:24] I was wondering why you were hanging
[2:02:25] around. Yeah,
[2:02:25] >> [laughter]
[2:02:26] >> this is this is it. Yeah. One more, too.
[2:02:29] And um
[2:02:30] No, Jason
[2:02:31] >> Mayor, can I request that Cole has to
[2:02:32] give this whole presentation in a skater
[2:02:35] voice? [laughter]
[2:02:37] I don't even know what So, dude. Oh,
[2:02:39] Jose, what's a skater voice? So, dude.
[2:02:40] Grip one, right?
[2:02:42] Uh this is as good as you're going to
[2:02:43] get.
[2:02:45] No, so this is uh yeah, hopefully in the
[2:02:47] uh staff report you kind of I gave a
[2:02:49] background and then kind of the process
[2:02:51] that we went through in selecting this
[2:02:53] design consulting uh work for the
[2:02:55] uh skate park there at the proposing at
[2:02:59] uh Barnes Park. Uh,
[2:03:01] this is uh
[2:03:02] this would require an amendment to the
[2:03:04] current FY26 to utilize the uh $25,000
[2:03:08] donation that we received about 8 to 10
[2:03:10] years ago that's been sitting aside for
[2:03:13] a skate park. So, this action item is a
[2:03:15] approving
[2:03:17] the contract with the Primary Concrete
[2:03:19] to begin a design of the uh the skate
[2:03:21] park using that uh
[2:03:23] don- those donated funds.
[2:03:25] Uh, the construction of the skate park
[2:03:27] would be pending city council approval
[2:03:29] in the upcoming FY27 budget. So, this
[2:03:33] action item is simply the uh
[2:03:34] professional services agreement for the
[2:03:36] design and consulting.
[2:03:37] Cole, will you give us a little context
[2:03:39] and history as to why this is something
[2:03:41] that we are considering? Thanks.
[2:03:42] Um, so back in uh December uh there was
[2:03:46] a uh DIY skate park that began showing
[2:03:49] up at uh Trappers Field under a
[2:03:52] pavilion. Trappers Field is an HOA uh
[2:03:54] property that we inherited back in 2018.
[2:03:58] The uh the skate elements began showing
[2:04:00] up in in 2025 uh kind of
[2:04:03] not a big deal, right? They're just
[2:04:05] little things, uh but then towards
[2:04:07] November, December
[2:04:09] it started to become now we started
[2:04:10] seeing some half-pipes and some other
[2:04:12] stuff that was like, all right, this is
[2:04:14] beyond the scope of just kids coming out
[2:04:16] and um
[2:04:18] just skating on underneath the pavilion.
[2:04:20] And so, because of the agreement we have
[2:04:22] with the uh
[2:04:23] when we received the par- property from
[2:04:25] the HOA, there was some stipulations in
[2:04:27] the agreement that certain things
[2:04:28] weren't allowed and a skate park was one
[2:04:30] of those things that is not allowed on
[2:04:32] that property.
[2:04:33] So, we removed the skate park um
[2:04:36] and the community came out
[2:04:38] to, uh, voice that concern to the city
[2:04:40] council back in December. Um, very
[2:04:42] respectful, great dialogue with the
[2:04:44] skating community. We had many, uh,
[2:04:47] meetings with them afterwards.
[2:04:49] And
[2:04:51] kind of got the direction from the city
[2:04:52] to pursue what this would look like if
[2:04:54] the city was to build a skate park. And
[2:04:56] so, we formed a, uh,
[2:04:58] a committee that that was three two
[2:05:00] staff members and three citizens, uh,
[2:05:03] from the skate park community, uh,
[2:05:04] formed the committee. We sent out an
[2:05:06] RFQ, which is a request for
[2:05:08] qualifications.
[2:05:09] We received 11, uh, submittals of the
[2:05:12] SOQs
[2:05:13] for design consulting work on the skate
[2:05:15] park.
[2:05:17] That review committee narrowed those 11
[2:05:19] consultants down to five. And then those
[2:05:21] final five we actually did, uh,
[2:05:23] interviews, uh, with that. And then
[2:05:26] after those interviews were concluded,
[2:05:28] the skate park committee reviewed all
[2:05:30] the five that we interviewed. And based
[2:05:33] on the size scope
[2:05:36] of this project, um, all five were, of
[2:05:38] course,
[2:05:39] qualified to do the work. And so, it
[2:05:41] boiled down to which, uh, contractor
[2:05:42] design firm that we felt was best suited
[2:05:45] to
[2:05:45] hit what we want to hit with Kaysville.
[2:05:48] You know, it's not going to be this
[2:05:49] massive, uh, skate park you see down,
[2:05:51] you know, St. George's
[2:05:52] put a $10 million all wheels, uh,
[2:05:55] skate park in. And so, It's awesome.
[2:05:57] It's very awesome. It's very It's very
[2:05:59] cool. And we're nowhere near that. Uh,
[2:06:02] we know what we can do and the size of
[2:06:04] the space we have. And so, 9.5? What's
[2:06:06] that? 9.5?
[2:06:08] for sure, yeah. That sounds good. Um,
[2:06:10] no.
[2:06:11] And so,
[2:06:12] this, uh, Primary Concrete is the one
[2:06:14] that we felt was the best
[2:06:16] suited for the needs and kind of size
[2:06:19] and scope that Kaysville wanted. And it
[2:06:21] was really driven by
[2:06:23] the three members of our skate park
[2:06:24] board or committee that are skaters.
[2:06:28] That this is who and we as staff also
[2:06:31] concurred that this is a a good firm to
[2:06:33] work with. And so this is their design
[2:06:37] uh consultant fee, which uh max out caps
[2:06:40] out at $25,000.
[2:06:42] Um
[2:06:44] there's the possibility that we won't
[2:06:45] use all that. And if we don't use all
[2:06:47] that, then whatever's left of that
[2:06:49] balance would go into the actual
[2:06:50] construction of the skate park. We're
[2:06:53] projecting and anticipating the skate
[2:06:55] park's going to cost roughly
[2:06:57] about $450,000.
[2:06:59] Um we've requested in the upcoming
[2:07:00] budget ramp. Um
[2:07:02] the ramp committee met on Tuesday night
[2:07:04] and uh is recommending forwarding to the
[2:07:06] council $150,000 in ramp. And then we've
[2:07:10] asked or requested $300,000 in our park
[2:07:13] impact fees uh for the skate park. Uh
[2:07:16] park impact fees are restricted
[2:07:18] specifically to either new park
[2:07:20] construction or
[2:07:21] park amenities that are new. Uh so it is
[2:07:24] a restricted fund. It's not general fund
[2:07:26] uh dollars. It is uh park impact fee uh
[2:07:28] funds. And so that's kind of where we
[2:07:31] are today is approving this uh agreement
[2:07:34] to begin the design and hopefully to uh
[2:07:37] begin constructing, you know, pending
[2:07:38] city council budget approvals uh in
[2:07:41] FY27.
[2:07:42] >> Well, and you alluded to the fact that
[2:07:43] um so about 10 years ago Christian
[2:07:46] Nelson donated $25,000 for to the city
[2:07:49] for a skate park.
[2:07:50] >> Skate park. Um since that time the city
[2:07:52] has been holding those funds waiting for
[2:07:54] the opportunity to have a need for or an
[2:07:57] ask for something like this.
[2:07:59] >> Yes. So this is not tax money that's
[2:08:01] being used for this design element. And
[2:08:04] it's also not tax me tax money being
[2:08:06] used for for a design should it go
[2:08:08] forward.
[2:08:09] That It's It's impact
[2:08:11] Will Will the ramp fund Ramp is a is a
[2:08:12] tax but it's but it's a
[2:08:14] >> But it's specific for recreation arts,
[2:08:17] museums, and parks, right? Yeah.
[2:08:19] >> So it's not included in a tax increase,
[2:08:20] I guess, is what I want to say.
[2:08:22] >> Correct.
[2:08:22] >> Okay. So I just want to
[2:08:25] bring in some comments and I wished I
[2:08:26] wished all of a lot of the projects in
[2:08:28] Kaysville City went this way because
[2:08:31] this community they didn't just come
[2:08:33] here this year. This community came 10
[2:08:35] years ago and donated but before that
[2:08:38] they came and tried to get it the city
[2:08:39] to do something down at Gailey Park.
[2:08:42] Tried to get them to do some where the
[2:08:44] old shop used to be over there and tried
[2:08:47] so it's not like this is a one-time
[2:08:49] first-time ask. They've been very
[2:08:51] patient with Kaysville and Kaysville's
[2:08:53] kind of put them off. I would And and in
[2:08:55] reality
[2:08:56] when you saw
[2:08:58] when we were told about this uh
[2:09:00] DIY Mhm. I think we all visited. I know I went
[2:09:04] down there. I could not believe the kids
[2:09:07] down there that were going there after
[2:09:09] school and playing and so it's very
[2:09:11] obvious that there's a need for it but
[2:09:13] the great thing about this is we have an
[2:09:15] existing park that has a bathroom
[2:09:18] already right there in the area. Um so
[2:09:22] we're not looking at having to redo
[2:09:24] everything. We don't have to redo
[2:09:25] parking lots. We don't have to think we
[2:09:27] can do this in progression. We don't
[2:09:29] have to do it all at once. Looks like we
[2:09:31] get to do it in stages if we need to. I
[2:09:34] mean
[2:09:35] and and with that ramp tax um that we
[2:09:38] added about five years ago four four
[2:09:42] years ago
[2:09:44] to be able to use it for things like
[2:09:45] this the community to see where their
[2:09:47] dollars are going like that and to
[2:09:49] actually be able to do something for that community
[2:09:53] instead of keep putting them off. I mean
[2:09:54] cuz realistically when you look at the rec center or you look at our junior
[2:10:00] jazz programs it's not really doing
[2:10:02] anything for them and there's a lot of
[2:10:03] these skaters who really would like to
[2:10:06] have something and and it you they used
[2:10:08] to get a real bad genre of where of you
[2:10:11] know they're going to graffiti or
[2:10:12] they're not but these are awesome kids
[2:10:15] that are really just trying to learn
[2:10:17] their sport and they just want some
[2:10:18] place to do it where they don't have to
[2:10:19] drive all over the place to do it or
[2:10:21] parents don't aren't so worried about
[2:10:23] them, and they can let them go over and
[2:10:25] do that. And I just think this is an
[2:10:27] awesome project.
[2:10:29] >> One of the other cool things, too, is
[2:10:30] it's not just kids. It's actually it's
[2:10:32] adults that are very passionate about
[2:10:35] this skate. And so I I 100% agree with
[2:10:38] you, Council Member Block. Well, and I
[2:10:40] appreciate you mentioning
[2:10:42] the stigma that used to be with skaters.
[2:10:45] These are quality, wonderful people that
[2:10:47] live in our community that like to
[2:10:49] skateboard. And it is a professional
[2:10:51] sport. Very true. And I think they get a
[2:10:53] bad rap a lot of times because they're
[2:10:54] skating on elements that aren't designed
[2:10:57] for a skate park. Like here at City
[2:10:59] Hall, using our stairs out front to do
[2:11:01] jumps and things like that. So they do
[2:11:03] get a bad rap because we haven't had
[2:11:05] anything in Kaysville to offer
[2:11:07] this this group to actually go out and
[2:11:09] skate and have fun. And you know, one of
[2:11:11] the cool things about the DIY, I admit
[2:11:13] it was a cool thing,
[2:11:15] was to see just the uh
[2:11:18] the camaraderie and the togetherness,
[2:11:20] even adults, kids.
[2:11:21] And so the the plan is this, even though
[2:11:23] it's a skate park, it's actually going
[2:11:25] to be, you know, more for
[2:11:26] skateboards,
[2:11:28] you know,
[2:11:30] I'm forgetting the term.
[2:11:31] Scooters, scooters, stuff like that. So
[2:11:34] it's going to be
[2:11:35] well-rounded for all all, you know,
[2:11:37] cycle type sports. Well, and it'll be in
[2:11:40] an open area so that people can go and
[2:11:42] watch and participate, and it's not just
[2:11:44] some secluded area where people are
[2:11:45] going to go crazy and and be
[2:11:47] destructive. It'll be on the northwest
[2:11:49] section of Barnes Park, kind of where
[2:11:51] Sportsplex Drive makes the
[2:11:53] turn to head north towards the Catalyst.
[2:11:56] But right there in a kind of a flat area
[2:11:57] we have. So yeah, there's no utility
[2:12:00] things we have to worry about. We have a
[2:12:01] parking lot, we have a restroom.
[2:12:03] Just be some concrete sidewalks, road
[2:12:06] base. I echo Josh on the road base pile.
[2:12:09] That's something that we
[2:12:11] use all the time, and it's something
[2:12:12] that we'll use for this project to help
[2:12:14] with costs. We don't have to supply road
[2:12:16] base because we have the big stock pile
[2:12:18] that's been utilized over years, so.
[2:12:21] Thank you.
[2:12:21] >> Anyway, that's the history of it, so.
[2:12:23] Thanks. Any comments, Council? Yes,
[2:12:25] Council member Hunt, yes. Um just one
[2:12:27] quick question, Cole. Uh
[2:12:28] this $25,000, I understand that it was
[2:12:30] donated. Uh if we go through and have
[2:12:32] this design done and then for whatever
[2:12:34] reason, say this doesn't get approved on
[2:12:36] the budget, how long do those plans last
[2:12:38] for? Like, does it expire? No, those
[2:12:40] plans will last for quite a while. Okay.
[2:12:42] So, at least a year or two. Okay. And I'm not saying I don't like it. I
[2:12:47] just wanted to double-check. Um
[2:12:50] yeah, I want also want to cancel or echo
[2:12:52] Council member Blackham said just that I
[2:12:54] mean, this community has been so great
[2:12:55] to work with. They've been so polite, so
[2:12:56] pleasant. They came out like the fact
[2:12:58] that they did the DIY thing like they
[2:13:01] didn't even ask first, which goes both
[2:13:03] ways. But but they they they took the
[2:13:06] initiative like to do something they
[2:13:07] were passionate about and and that's exciting to see in residents and as I'm always harping on like our
[2:13:13] kids need opportunities to do
[2:13:14] recreations so they don't blow toilets
[2:13:15] and stuff, so. That would be awesome.
[2:13:17] Well, and I just want to add when the
[2:13:18] city said we have to shut this down
[2:13:20] because it was not professionally
[2:13:23] installed, they were very good about how
[2:13:26] they received that. They were also They
[2:13:28] were very respectful and and they're not
[2:13:30] using it right now and they're sad and
[2:13:31] they're waiting, so. Anyway, okay, any
[2:13:33] other comments, anyone?
[2:13:36] I'll make a motion to approve uh action
[2:13:39] item A
[2:13:41] 7A, sorry.
[2:13:43] I'll second. Okay, um Council member
[2:13:46] Hunt. I. I. I. I.
[2:13:51] Okay, motion carries. Thank you.
[2:13:54] Action item 7B, an ordinance amending
[2:13:57] various sections of title 17 of the
[2:14:00] Kaysville City Code to comply with
[2:14:02] Senate Bill 179 titled Local Regulation
[2:14:05] of Business Entity Amendments. We do
[2:14:07] have someone
[2:14:08] I believe signed to speak to this. Let
[2:14:12] me just double check.
[2:14:14] Um
[2:14:15] I think we do. Yes, um
[2:14:18] Doug Judge. So, as soon as um Melinda
[2:14:21] presents it, then we'll invite you up to
[2:14:24] speak. Thank you.
[2:14:26] Mayor, Council, thank you for being here
[2:14:29] this evening.
[2:14:30] This is before you
[2:14:33] um as another legislative item that came
[2:14:36] out of the
[2:14:38] um actually 2025 session,
[2:14:41] and
[2:14:42] um so, we are attempting here to be
[2:14:45] compliant with state law that
[2:14:48] created a new requirement for cities to
[2:14:52] have
[2:14:53] I guess kind of a work around for
[2:14:55] permitted uses. So, I was just going to
[2:14:58] go over um
[2:14:59] the different sections that um
[2:15:03] are being amended in our land use code,
[2:15:06] as well as the new section that we're
[2:15:08] proposing for that amendment.
[2:15:11] Um first here, uh in 17-3-1,
[2:15:15] we just wanted to clarify that the
[2:15:17] zoning administrator
[2:15:19] um is the community development director
[2:15:21] or their designee.
[2:15:23] And um uh that just gives some clarity.
[2:15:26] The city does not have the title uh of a
[2:15:29] zoning administrator or a staff member
[2:15:31] with that title. So, that just clarifies
[2:15:34] the role that um
[2:15:37] that serves to make a determination in
[2:15:39] this um Hey, Melinda. Yes, sorry to
[2:15:41] interrupt. I had a question as we were
[2:15:43] going through this. I don't And I'll be
[2:15:45] quick. Was the zoning administrator, is
[2:15:47] that anywhere else in the code, or is
[2:15:48] that created right here?
[2:15:50] Uh so,
[2:15:52] it is um
[2:15:55] already in code. The black just shows
[2:15:59] that there is hereby created the
[2:16:01] position of the zoning administrator.
[2:16:03] Um
[2:16:04] I believe that effectively, when um Dan
[2:16:08] was working here, that was his title,
[2:16:10] but it's really frankly an antiquated
[2:16:13] and outdated title. Um that actually
[2:16:16] came up, I think, based on uh Ludman
[2:16:18] state code, that basically you have to
[2:16:19] have a zoning administrator. And anyone
[2:16:22] can serve in that capacity. Um some
[2:16:25] cities back in the day just then chose
[2:16:28] to title that position as a zoning
[2:16:29] administrator, but essentially your
[2:16:31] zoning administrator is your expert in
[2:16:33] the zoning code. And we you would make
[2:16:36] interpretations um
[2:16:38] of what code may may mean in different
[2:16:40] instances. Um and most communities, it
[2:16:44] is the community development director
[2:16:45] that would serve in that capacity. Um so
[2:16:48] this isn't creating a new position, it's
[2:16:50] just clarifying that zoning
[2:16:52] administrator function is satisfied
[2:16:55] through the community development
[2:16:56] director or whoever may be designated to
[2:16:58] serve that. Okay. Thanks. Sorry for the
[2:16:59] interruption. No, no no worries. Thank
[2:17:01] you for asking.
[2:17:03] Um
[2:17:03] so
[2:17:05] this
[2:17:06] the the code or the state law required
[2:17:10] that we would in every
[2:17:12] section of our zoning code that provides
[2:17:15] permitted uses or conditional uses, that
[2:17:18] we provide um
[2:17:21] section in there then that would state
[2:17:23] if a permitted use, so this um 17-9-7
[2:17:28] if a permitted use is um
[2:17:31] is
[2:17:32] essentially not cleared um
[2:17:36] that
[2:17:39] then the zoning gets administrator would
[2:17:41] effectively determine um
[2:17:46] if that permitted use
[2:17:48] wasn't listed, is the permitted or is
[2:17:50] the use that a business is asking for
[2:17:53] close to that permitted use?
[2:17:55] Um and if it is, then we could allow
[2:17:58] that. And if it's not, then it would go
[2:17:59] through this um kind of petition process
[2:18:02] or an appeal process.
[2:18:04] Um,
[2:18:05] now when this was going through the
[2:18:06] legislative session, typically this is
[2:18:08] how those things would work is that
[2:18:12] if there um,
[2:18:14] if there was a a request and that zone
[2:18:18] didn't re- or allow that particular use,
[2:18:22] an an applicant could have an
[2:18:23] opportunity to apply for a text
[2:18:25] amendment to change code. Um, that can
[2:18:28] be a lengthy process and so I believe
[2:18:30] the intent of this law was to try and
[2:18:34] uh, provide a more expedient outcome to
[2:18:37] that, but I
[2:18:38] it's also I think challenging in some
[2:18:41] ways. Um,
[2:18:43] but effectively, I think the
[2:18:45] opportunities for some type of I'll call
[2:18:47] an appeal like this to come through, the
[2:18:50] way our ordinances are currently
[2:18:51] written, I think is very low.
[2:18:54] And I'll explain why, but most cities
[2:18:57] have um,
[2:18:58] a very exhaustive list of permitted or
[2:19:01] conditional uses. Um, and we have a very
[2:19:05] permissive or a short list that
[2:19:08] encompasses,
[2:19:10] um, as an example, retail sales and
[2:19:12] services. Right? That could mean
[2:19:14] anything from a gym, a salon, dog
[2:19:18] grooming to
[2:19:20] a vape shop.
[2:19:21] Um, and so where we have these very
[2:19:24] broad categories, we tend to kind of
[2:19:27] capture all of these requests that come
[2:19:29] in. Other cities that may have different
[2:19:31] ways of classifying their uses might
[2:19:34] have more trouble. Now, a previous place
[2:19:36] that I worked had very specific uses.
[2:19:38] And in one instance, there actually was
[2:19:40] like somebody that came in and wanted to
[2:19:42] do knife forging or for-
[2:19:44] and
[2:19:46] forge knives with a knife whatever, big
[2:19:49] forge. And that was specific enough that particular use wasn't allowed in
[2:19:54] the manufacturing zone, and so they had
[2:19:56] to apply for a text amendment to amend
[2:19:57] that.
[2:19:58] Um
[2:19:59] whereas if they just would have had
[2:20:02] manufacturing or, you know, forge
[2:20:04] manufacturing, it could have been a
[2:20:06] broader category. So, this really is to
[2:20:09] try and and I think make it easier for
[2:20:12] businesses if the council then would
[2:20:15] agree that the use is similar enough.
[2:20:17] So, each of the um sections in our code
[2:20:21] that has permitted uses, which is all of
[2:20:23] our different zones, everything from our
[2:20:24] ag to our residential to our our
[2:20:27] business and commercial zones,
[2:20:29] um would have a prohibited uses section
[2:20:32] added in here as shown in the 17-9-7.
[2:20:38] And then um
[2:20:39] this next slide that shows this would be
[2:20:42] a new section of code that would be
[2:20:45] added in. And this is how that appeal
[2:20:49] process would work. So, if an
[2:20:51] application was sent to the city
[2:20:52] council, meaning and in typically, let
[2:20:55] me explain too also how these things
[2:20:57] work. Um sometimes questions come
[2:21:00] through and they're very straightforward
[2:21:02] and easy to interpret. Other times they
[2:21:04] may be a little bit more ambiguous or
[2:21:08] just provide more of a question. So,
[2:21:11] that's when I will often times go confer
[2:21:14] with um
[2:21:15] Mr. Mills or Ms. Ellis, our assistant
[2:21:18] city attorney, say, "Hey, what do you
[2:21:19] think about this? Does this fit? Does
[2:21:21] this make sense?" Um and so a lot of
[2:21:24] times through that collaboration, we
[2:21:26] come up with a resolve. Um we would go
[2:21:28] back then to the applicant their
[2:21:30] business um application and say, "Yes,
[2:21:32] we believe this could work." or "No,
[2:21:34] we're sorry, we don't." Now, if it goes
[2:21:37] to that point, then they can choose to
[2:21:38] go through this process. And so then
[2:21:40] that application would be sent to the
[2:21:42] city council. Um you would review the um application. You would have to
[2:21:47] review that within 60 days. And
[2:21:49] essentially, you would just determine
[2:21:51] like does does let's just say metal
[2:21:54] forging
[2:21:56] count as a use close enough to metal
[2:21:59] knife forging.
[2:22:01] And you would make that determination in
[2:22:03] a meeting
[2:22:05] um and then give direction to staff to
[2:22:08] amend the zoning code uh to include
[2:22:11] that. So, um and then if the if the
[2:22:13] council denies denies it, you would need
[2:22:16] to provide a reason why that would be
[2:22:17] denied. Generally, that would be done
[2:22:19] through um a motion or the minutes. Um
[2:22:22] we could come up with something more
[2:22:23] formal. And then um
[2:22:26] there is lastly another section to
[2:22:28] appeal. Um and this is essentially when
[2:22:32] the zoning administrator's determination
[2:22:34] is appealed, um that's when it goes to
[2:22:36] the city council. Uh so
[2:22:40] thankfully um
[2:22:42] and and I know that when the last
[2:22:44] meeting when Mr. Mills presented Ms.
[2:22:47] Ellis with the employee of the quarter,
[2:22:49] one of the things he's mentioned was her
[2:22:50] wealth of knowledge and her access to
[2:22:52] some of this um
[2:22:54] uh like opportunities through her
[2:22:57] membership and her role in the Municipal
[2:22:59] Attorneys Association. And uh we used to
[2:23:02] have a listserv with our uh Utah APA
[2:23:05] chapter where we could kind of easily
[2:23:07] gather information from other cities.
[2:23:10] That is no longer available to us. So,
[2:23:11] through Ms. Ellis's
[2:23:14] um contacts, she was able to come up
[2:23:16] with um with this draft
[2:23:19] and assist us in the process of of of
[2:23:21] drafting this, especially because it was
[2:23:23] a new law, something that hadn't been
[2:23:25] done um before.
[2:23:27] So, we did have this uh at Planning
[2:23:30] Commission.
[2:23:31] And that was back in February. We did
[2:23:33] not receive any public comments on this.
[2:23:35] The Planning Commission voted
[2:23:37] unanimously 7-0 to recommend to the City
[2:23:40] Council that you adopt this.
[2:23:42] So, we are recommending the same based
[2:23:45] on the Planning Commission's
[2:23:46] recommendation that the council approve
[2:23:47] this.
[2:23:49] So, any questions? I'm happy to answer
[2:23:50] them. Of course, we have Mr. uh Judge's
[2:23:53] comment.
[2:23:53] >> Yes, uh Mr. Judge, why don't you come
[2:23:55] up? We'll let you speak first, and then
[2:23:57] we will have our question and
[2:23:58] discussion.
[2:24:05] Thank you.
[2:24:07] Um
[2:24:09] I guess I have a problem with uh
[2:24:13] >> [snorts]
[2:24:13] >> this uh zoning administrator having the
[2:24:16] power
[2:24:18] to approve things without
[2:24:21] coming to the council.
[2:24:23] Um
[2:24:24] it seems to me that the zoning
[2:24:25] administrator should be
[2:24:28] um
[2:24:30] either
[2:24:31] um
[2:24:33] either accountable to the public, i.e.
[2:24:37] one of the council members or somebody
[2:24:39] that is accountable to the public, or a
[2:24:42] designee from the council.
[2:24:45] As opposed to
[2:24:47] you know, one person having that power.
[2:24:50] And uh so, I would suggest that we revamp this to
[2:24:55] have some kind of accountability
[2:24:58] to the to the public
[2:25:01] for these kind of decisions. Anytime you
[2:25:03] have an approval on a zoning thing,
[2:25:06] Right. it could be controversial. Yes.
[2:25:09] >> And I think I think there should be
[2:25:11] something there.
[2:25:13] The other thing is uh just my own
[2:25:16] personal opinion, when you're talking
[2:25:18] zoning approvals, not reviews, but
[2:25:20] approvals,
[2:25:22] I really think that the person in that
[2:25:24] position should live in the city
[2:25:27] and have to live with those.
[2:25:30] Okay. Appreciate your comments. Thank
[2:25:32] you.
[2:25:33] Um I have a question for you, Nick. So,
[2:25:37] I know that we've had situations in in
[2:25:39] the city come up where maybe um
[2:25:42] community development looked at a law a
[2:25:45] recent law and interpreted it one way
[2:25:48] and then as council we interpreted it
[2:25:51] differently.
[2:25:52] Under this change, would that
[2:25:56] position be able to make a determination
[2:25:59] based upon
[2:26:01] their interpretation and then in order
[2:26:04] to appeal it would have to go through a
[2:26:06] longer process. So it would have to be
[2:26:08] rather than a discussion it would be
[2:26:10] okay, yes, no, and then it would have to
[2:26:13] the applicant would have to come back to
[2:26:14] the council to appeal it and it would be
[2:26:17] longer.
[2:26:18] Yeah, so as
[2:26:20] I believe the process and I'll let Ms.
[2:26:21] Greenwood speak but the process is if
[2:26:24] you get something that doesn't
[2:26:26] looks like kind of weird
[2:26:27] >> Yeah, it's kind of confusing.
[2:26:30] then
[2:26:31] um Ms. Greenwood's going to make a
[2:26:33] determination or or whoever the designee
[2:26:36] is.
[2:26:36] If it's approved, it's unlikely you'll see that. Cuz they're going to go
[2:26:40] on their way with approval.
[2:26:42] That concerns me. Okay. Right. If it's
[2:26:44] denied, then um the person has the
[2:26:47] opportunity to for this body, the city
[2:26:50] council, to review that. And then as I
[2:26:52] read it, it looks like it's a de novo
[2:26:54] review, meaning it's brand new. You can
[2:26:56] make the determination you want. And
[2:26:58] whatever determination you make, you're
[2:27:00] going to send that back in the and then
[2:27:02] the planning or excuse me, the zoning
[2:27:04] administrator's going to propose changes
[2:27:06] to reflect what you've done. Okay. So I
[2:27:08] guess my next question would be how
[2:27:10] could we tweak this so that it would be
[2:27:12] maybe comprised of a committee.
[2:27:15] Um which we have a we have a land use
[2:27:17] authority um attorney, Katie, who
[2:27:20] specializes in these things.
[2:27:22] And so maybe a committee of community
[2:27:24] development, maybe a council member,
[2:27:27] maybe a legal professional, city
[2:27:29] manager. Because sometimes
[2:27:32] um I think that there's especially in
[2:27:34] the laws that are coming so quickly um
[2:27:36] at us, that there are different
[2:27:38] interpretations and one individual might
[2:27:40] interpret it one way when that was not
[2:27:42] the intention of the bill. And if if
[2:27:44] they say yes, we won't hear about it
[2:27:46] until it's already enacted and it's too
[2:27:49] late to be able to stop it cuz that
[2:27:50] person was either given permission
[2:27:53] right to do something that we
[2:27:55] don't feel was an appropriate
[2:27:57] use of that zone or that
[2:28:00] of that decision. So I I'm not
[2:28:03] comfortable with this I guess is what
[2:28:05] I'm saying. And I would be more
[2:28:06] comfortable if we had some sort of
[2:28:08] collaborative sort of conversation about
[2:28:11] that. So I don't know how everyone else
[2:28:13] feels, but
[2:28:14] That's a real easy change if the council
[2:28:17] if that's the will of the council we're
[2:28:19] happy to do that. On page 65 of your
[2:28:21] packet under the process Okay. um sub
[2:28:25] two it says the zoning administrator
[2:28:27] shall determine that the if the proposed
[2:28:29] use I think right there we would just
[2:28:31] say the zoning administrator {comma} you
[2:28:33] know member of the legal department
[2:28:35] {comma} planning at planning
[2:28:36] commissioner or city council member or
[2:28:39] Mr. Belknap or whoever we want to put in
[2:28:41] there. Okay, so so as long as it's just
[2:28:43] not one person.
[2:28:45] Josh we know you want this job. As long
[2:28:47] as it's not just one person who
[2:28:49] interprets it the way that you know
[2:28:51] maybe to the letter of the law and and
[2:28:53] doesn't give it an an opportunity for us
[2:28:55] to give some input before it's decided.
[2:28:58] Correct. My My only advice there would
[2:29:00] be that you make it an odd number so
[2:29:02] that the majority can vote and Right.
[2:29:04] Okay. So I'd be okay with that as
[2:29:06] long as it's some sort of a committee
[2:29:08] because these laws are so confusing.
[2:29:11] And it really depends on the situation
[2:29:14] and and the interpretation of them. And we have seen that with with a bill
[2:29:18] that came through and then we were able
[2:29:19] to get it tweaked and fixed and changed,
[2:29:21] but that would have been super impactful
[2:29:23] to a community and a and a neighborhood.
[2:29:25] Absolutely.
[2:29:26] >> been interpreted to the letter of the
[2:29:28] law at that time. Yep. Okay. So that
[2:29:31] would be my recommendation.
[2:29:33] Um
[2:29:34] let me know your thoughts, guys. So,
[2:29:36] I'll talk about I I agree with Tammy
[2:29:37] that that will or Mayor Chanh, I
[2:29:41] all of my concerns would probably be
[2:29:43] addressed by doing that exact thing,
[2:29:45] putting it towards a committee, having
[2:29:47] the committee
[2:29:49] comprised of a couple individuals within
[2:29:51] the city and whatnot. I I think that
[2:29:53] would address all my concerns as well.
[2:29:55] Okay. All right, thanks. Anyone else?
[2:29:57] Council member Hedberg? I I just kind of
[2:29:59] want to echo the same thing. I think it
[2:30:01] also addresses the concerns. If there's
[2:30:02] a council member on there, then at least
[2:30:04] for sure one person will live in the
[2:30:05] city and I think that's a a benefit and
[2:30:07] something that's been brought up. So,
[2:30:09] yeah.
[2:30:09] >> Yeah. And then
[2:30:10] we're getting the direct input, so okay.
[2:30:13] Any Anyone else? Yes, Council member
[2:30:14] Jackson. [clears throat] I'm not quite
[2:30:16] sure about that just because
[2:30:19] as Melinda, you mentioned, there's so
[2:30:21] many different types of businesses out
[2:30:23] there and
[2:30:26] depending on the business that's making
[2:30:28] the application,
[2:30:30] I just I almost think it'd be better to
[2:30:32] have some sort of
[2:30:34] um meeting about it where the public can
[2:30:37] speak to it depending on the type of
[2:30:40] business. It's hard to think of a a
[2:30:42] scenario, maybe, a
[2:30:44] type of business that could
[2:30:46] uh
[2:30:47] negatively impact like the area or
[2:30:50] neighbors or whatnot. And so, I'm just
[2:30:53] trying to figure out like with the state
[2:30:55] law, how does the appeal process Thanks
[2:30:58] for turning up my mic.
[2:31:00] Um how does the appeal process kind of
[2:31:03] work with that? And even if we have a
[2:31:05] committee, that would be great. I would
[2:31:07] like that.
[2:31:08] Um but it doesn't necessarily allow the
[2:31:10] public to weigh in depending on what it
[2:31:12] is.
[2:31:13] Um
[2:31:15] and then looking at the appeal process
[2:31:16] here,
[2:31:17] I was a little bit concerned because it
[2:31:19] states uh the zoning administrator's
[2:31:23] determination may be appealed in
[2:31:24] accordance with section 17-4-5.
[2:31:28] And I looked that up and that's mainly
[2:31:29] dealing with the planning commission.
[2:31:31] So, I was curious how the planning
[2:31:32] commission's involved in this if they
[2:31:34] are, but then it says that appeal can go
[2:31:37] to the city council, but if it's denied
[2:31:39] it goes directly to district court.
[2:31:41] Nothing in the state law says it has to
[2:31:43] go to district court. And I just want to
[2:31:46] know like what flexibility we have back
[2:31:49] and forth if the council says
[2:31:52] uh go back and change a couple of
[2:31:54] things, come back to us, you may come
[2:31:57] back for a second attempt.
[2:32:00] It's hard without knowing the exact
[2:32:02] business that's coming forward. And so,
[2:32:05] little bit confused in that aspect, but
[2:32:08] just wanted to hear the council thoughts
[2:32:09] on a committee versus
[2:32:12] when is there an opportunity to bring it
[2:32:14] in the public setting?
[2:32:15] >> is this is this designed to kind of
[2:32:16] bypass planning [clears throat]
[2:32:17] commission?
[2:32:19] Or or is it kind of streamline the
[2:32:20] process?
[2:32:22] Is that the purpose? I'd have to I don't
[2:32:25] know what the bill sponsor had in mind
[2:32:26] with this. It
[2:32:28] It's honestly I think
[2:32:30] this was
[2:32:33] a solution looking for a problem, if you
[2:32:36] will. Like
[2:32:38] this really didn't make much sense. And And of course we know a lot of times
[2:32:43] this legislation is passed because some
[2:32:45] city somewhere had some issue, one
[2:32:47] person. Right.
[2:32:48] >> Um
[2:32:49] Hey Melinda, real quick. So, in the bill
[2:32:52] it states specifically several times the
[2:32:54] legislative
[2:32:56] will make a decision,
[2:32:58] um but it doesn't say that a city needs
[2:33:00] a zoning administrator, but you're
[2:33:02] correct most cities do have a zoning
[2:33:03] administrator and we need that to
[2:33:06] get these applications to the right
[2:33:08] point to come before a legislative body.
[2:33:11] But it'd be nice to kind of know how
[2:33:13] that appeal process would work. And I
[2:33:15] think the planning commission would be
[2:33:17] considered a legislative body, right? Um
[2:33:20] I No, they are they're They're
[2:33:21] recommended They're administrative.
[2:33:23] They're recommended. Okay. So, this
[2:33:25] So,
[2:33:27] my understanding of how this is work,
[2:33:28] right? A business Somebody who applies
[2:33:31] for a business license and we say,
[2:33:33] "We're sorry. You can't operate
[2:33:37] you know, a gun sale shop out of your
[2:33:40] residence."
[2:33:42] We go look at R1 code. And R1 code has
[2:33:45] these permitted uses and conditional
[2:33:47] uses. And I say to the applicant, "I'm
[2:33:49] sorry, but sales of guns are not allowed
[2:33:52] in this particular zone."
[2:33:54] And he doesn't agree.
[2:33:57] Then he submits This is the This is the
[2:34:00] {quote} appeal. He would submit an
[2:34:02] application or she would submit an
[2:34:04] application
[2:34:05] that comes to the city council in a
[2:34:08] public meeting within 60 days and you
[2:34:10] determine You say, "Well, we allow for
[2:34:14] sales of
[2:34:16] farm stand items and we think that a gun
[2:34:19] is close enough to farm stand item. So,
[2:34:22] we feel like
[2:34:24] the zoning administration
[2:34:26] didn't
[2:34:28] view this the same way we do. That's
[2:34:30] done in a public meeting.
[2:34:32] Um, and then if you approve that and you
[2:34:34] say, "Yes,
[2:34:36] you know, the the produce out of my
[2:34:37] garden and guns are similar enough."
[2:34:40] Um,
[2:34:41] you would approve You would designate
[2:34:44] then during the meeting the appropriate
[2:34:46] zones for that. So, you would say,
[2:34:49] "R1, A1, and light industrial." And then
[2:34:54] um, we That would be our marching orders
[2:34:56] of staff to go back and amend the code
[2:34:58] and take that through a text amendment
[2:35:00] process through planning commission and
[2:35:02] then back through council to include
[2:35:05] those uses in the zoning code.
[2:35:08] If you deny it,
[2:35:10] then the appeal would happen as it
[2:35:12] normally does. Now, um,
[2:35:16] currently our appeal code states that
[2:35:19] the planning commission would be the
[2:35:21] appeal body. We actually want to change
[2:35:22] that and have it go to an administrative
[2:35:24] law judge. It is just a better uh
[2:35:28] process, and that's something that we'll
[2:35:30] be working on um in the months to come
[2:35:33] as well. Uh and but then um usually
[2:35:38] what happens after the appeal, if the
[2:35:42] planning commission denied that, then
[2:35:43] their recourse would be to go submit um
[2:35:48] that through the district court.
[2:35:50] So So this
[2:35:53] process outlined here in the 1739 really
[2:35:57] is
[2:35:58] the initial appeal. And it would be, I
[2:36:01] think, very awkward for the planning
[2:36:03] commission to serve as an appeal body
[2:36:06] for the city council's
[2:36:08] decision. It just doesn't They're a
[2:36:10] recommending body. They're not
[2:36:13] Yeah, so it So we do need to change, I
[2:36:16] think, the way our appeal process
[2:36:18] functions, um
[2:36:20] which is kind of a separate issue, but this effectively is the appeal. The
[2:36:25] business applicant says, "I don't like
[2:36:28] your determination. I want to go and see
[2:36:30] what the city council says." And that
[2:36:32] would occur in a public meeting, which
[2:36:34] would provide an opportunity for the
[2:36:36] public to comment.
[2:36:38] I mean, the way it's written here,
[2:36:39] though, technically
[2:36:41] a city staffer can approve that
[2:36:46] based on their own interpretation
[2:36:49] um cuz in section 17-39-1,
[2:36:53] part one,
[2:36:55] it says the application shall
[2:36:57] include information specified by the
[2:36:58] zoning administrator. That should
[2:37:00] probably say specified by city
[2:37:03] um code or or
[2:37:06] something a little more
[2:37:09] um
[2:37:10] like rooted in what we decide, but
[2:37:13] I'm just worried that that's really kind of left up to
[2:37:18] interpretation whoever whichever staff
[2:37:20] or handles it in the at a city level.
[2:37:22] And so I don't see why it can't come
[2:37:25] before a council. They said the zoning
[2:37:27] administrator administrator gets it
[2:37:29] prepared.
[2:37:30] Um does their best to like allow
[2:37:35] for a yes determining like if they
[2:37:38] comply, bring it to the council. If the
[2:37:40] council denies, why can't the appeal
[2:37:43] process why can't they come back a
[2:37:44] second time to the council?
[2:37:47] Um a lot of federal agencies do that.
[2:37:49] You can appeal to the same board. And so
[2:37:52] that I just
[2:37:53] I think that the legislative body needs
[2:37:56] to
[2:37:57] pretty much see all of it that comes
[2:37:59] through.
[2:38:00] I I would I would agree with you and I
[2:38:02] think more and more concerned about the
[2:38:03] yeses than the nos.
[2:38:06] Just because the interpretation of yes
[2:38:08] is really so confusing, which we've
[2:38:11] seen.
[2:38:12] And in in these bills are written in
[2:38:14] such a confusing way that I think the
[2:38:16] yeses are the most
[2:38:18] seem to be more problematic than the
[2:38:20] nos. The nos are pretty cut and dry and
[2:38:22] clear. So if we could if we could amend
[2:38:25] it to address the yes to make sure that
[2:38:29] we are making sure that what we're
[2:38:31] saying yes to is actually truly the
[2:38:33] intent of the bill and not going to be
[2:38:36] impactful in a negative way to the
[2:38:38] community
[2:38:40] then I would feel much more comfortable.
[2:38:44] Council member Blackham. I'm just I
[2:38:46] think the appeals portion of it is just
[2:38:48] totally messed up. It doesn't make any
[2:38:50] sense to me that it appeals goes to the
[2:38:52] planning commission. I mean Nate talked
[2:38:54] about it or our council member.
[2:38:56] >> then to a district court. I mean come
[2:38:57] on. That's expensive for people.
[2:38:59] >> the point is is
[2:39:01] you would have a an elect a non-elected
[2:39:04] body appealed from an elected body on a
[2:39:07] decision that was a legislative
[2:39:09] decision. So, it makes no sense to me. I
[2:39:12] think until we fix the appeals process,
[2:39:15] this ordinance can't really go any
[2:39:17] farther.
[2:39:21] Well, I think state law states that we need to do it.
[2:39:24] >> Oh, we have to have an appeals, but I
[2:39:26] think the appeal, like she said, a
[2:39:27] legis- the law how we used it once
[2:39:30] before when the planning commission was
[2:39:33] questioned on something they did and we
[2:39:34] hired a
[2:39:37] Yeah.
[2:39:37] >> a law judge to make that determination.
[2:39:41] Yeah, I
[2:39:42] uh if I could speak to that, I think the
[2:39:43] intent of 17-39-3
[2:39:46] was and there is some um
[2:39:50] confusion now that that's brought up.
[2:39:52] Thank you. Uh the I think the intention
[2:39:54] was that the procedure of 17-4-4-5
[2:39:58] would be followed, but 17-4-5 is pretty
[2:40:01] inclusive and talks about how things
[2:40:03] should be transmitted to the planning
[2:40:04] commission. I think what we were trying
[2:40:06] to capture there is the 10 days and
[2:40:08] timelines there. But, we'll certainly if the council wants to table this, we
[2:40:13] could certainly um bring back something
[2:40:16] that had more clarity
[2:40:17] um in that. I think the reason that the
[2:40:20] appeals section is in there is that this
[2:40:22] body, the city council, is the highest um authority in the city.
[2:40:28] And so, any appeals
[2:40:31] that the council of decisions the
[2:40:32] council make, they always go to We don't
[2:40:35] send those to an AL J. We don't send
[2:40:37] those to the planning commission. You're
[2:40:38] exactly right. You're the highest
[2:40:40] authority. So, those always go to the
[2:40:42] district court if there's a confusion. I
[2:40:44] do have issue with an adminis- an
[2:40:46] administrative law judge being the
[2:40:48] ultimate authority because if a council
[2:40:50] says no,
[2:40:52] then that places a judge
[2:40:54] Yeah. that is starting to legislate and
[2:40:57] we There's a lot of problems with that,
[2:40:58] too.
[2:40:59] >> Sure. Yeah, we certainly would not would
[2:41:00] not send your decision to an ALJ.
[2:41:03] Certainly not. No. Well, and and I back
[2:41:05] to my point of a yes. A yes, there's no appeal for a yes.
[2:41:10] For for a neighborhood or neighbor I
[2:41:12] guess they could complain, but at that
[2:41:13] point they've already been granted their
[2:41:16] um request. So, if you could work on
[2:41:18] that Are we okay with that?
[2:41:19] >> Yeah. Yeah. Can I just add one thing? I
[2:41:21] was just looking at 17-4-5 on the
[2:41:23] appeals section.
[2:41:25] Um and it does says any other person can
[2:41:26] appeal. Um but I've always felt even
[2:41:28] when I was on the planning commission
[2:41:30] that the option for neighbors to appeal
[2:41:31] was such a tight timeline that if
[2:41:33] someone were to approve something and
[2:41:35] they didn't hear, I mean they've only
[2:41:36] got 10 calendar days, I think, right? To
[2:41:38] appeal. So, yeah, I think that's why I
[2:41:40] additionally also feel more comfortable
[2:41:42] kind of reworking this a little bit.
[2:41:44] Great. Thank you.
[2:41:46] All right, would someone like to make a
[2:41:47] motion?
[2:41:50] I'll motion it. Okay. Let's try this
[2:41:53] out.
[2:41:54] Um I motion that we move
[2:41:57] um
[2:41:59] action item
[2:42:01] 7B, an ordinance to amend the various
[2:42:03] sections of title 17 of Keizer City Code
[2:42:06] to comply with section bill 179 titled
[2:42:09] local regulations and business entity
[2:42:11] amendments
[2:42:13] to a
[2:42:15] work item.
[2:42:17] Is that what we're doing?
[2:42:19] To work item.
[2:42:20] That works. Sure. Yeah, that works.
[2:42:22] Is that your first motion? That is my
[2:42:24] very first motion. Okay. Okay. Thank
[2:42:26] you.
[2:42:26] >> it. I second. Thank you. Thank you.
[2:42:29] Council member McBride. Thank
[2:42:31] you, Council member Adams.
[2:42:33] Uh Council member Hunt. Do you want to
[2:42:35] start? Yeah. Okay. Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye.
[2:42:40] Okay, thank you, everyone. All right.
[2:42:44] >> Can
[2:42:45] Do you care if we
[2:42:46] just a friendly friendly request work
[2:42:48] items looks like discussion discussion?
[2:42:54] 9:35 and we have a meeting close
[2:42:57] session. And is there anything that
[2:43:00] staff feels imminent about A, B, and C
[2:43:03] that we need to discuss this evening? I
[2:43:05] mean, I'm happy to do it. I just
[2:43:06] wondered if there's
[2:43:09] any chance that that could be moved to 2
[2:43:12] weeks from now or if anybody would be
[2:43:13] opposed to such a request, Mayor. Thank
[2:43:16] you. I will say that the splash pad is
[2:43:18] usually scheduled to open
[2:43:20] Memorial weekend, right? And that is
[2:43:22] coming up.
[2:43:23] I think that'd be a really quick
[2:43:24] discussion.
[2:43:26] Okay. Are we okay with that one? I'd
[2:43:28] like to discuss that one. Okay. Okay.
[2:43:30] So, the other two, you guys okay?
[2:43:32] Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Is that a motion? I'll
[2:43:34] make a motion.
[2:43:37] that we
[2:43:40] table or continue work item A and C to 2
[2:43:44] weeks from today,
[2:43:46] which will now be added also to our
[2:43:50] newest council member's first request,
[2:43:53] and that we discuss
[2:43:56] right now ad nauseam
[2:43:58] B.
[2:44:00] >> [laughter]
[2:44:00] >> I'll second that. Okay. Council member
[2:44:02] Jackson.
[2:44:03] >> Aye.
[2:44:04] Aye. Aye.
[2:44:07] Nay.
[2:44:08] Just because of the ad nauseam? No. I
[2:44:10] mean, that didn't help. Okay. Okay.
[2:44:13] >> [laughter]
[2:44:14] >> Okay.
[2:44:15] City splash pad,
[2:44:17] Cole, you want to talk about that?
[2:44:23] Sure, I'd be happy to.
[2:44:24] >> Okay. Yeah, I'll I'll make it quick. So,
[2:44:26] as staff, we've been consulting with
[2:44:29] of course parks parks and recreation and
[2:44:30] public works on the splash pad, uh
[2:44:33] seeing that the city's in a, you know,
[2:44:34] this not the city, but the state with
[2:44:37] the severe drought that we're in and the
[2:44:39] water consumption of the splash pad.
[2:44:41] Um we you know, we're utilizing about
[2:44:43] roughly give or take, you know, it's a
[2:44:45] lot of variables there, but roughly 5
[2:44:47] million gallons of water
[2:44:49] during its 16-week season, which is the
[2:44:52] equivalent of draining uh
[2:44:54] the 1 million gallon water takes five
[2:44:55] times within that season. Even though it
[2:44:58] is a culinary system, it is
[2:45:00] uh a recapture system. Uh and maybe to
[2:45:02] clarify with people that might be
[2:45:04] listening, the splash pad is not a
[2:45:05] recirculating system, it's a recapture
[2:45:07] system,
[2:45:08] meaning that it's fresh culinary intake,
[2:45:11] we then pump it into the citywide
[2:45:13] secondary irrigation system. Uh so it is utilizing 5 million gallons of
[2:45:18] fresh culinary water every year. Um
[2:45:21] the decision was made on that back in
[2:45:23] 2012 when it was constructed uh just
[2:45:26] with a lot of
[2:45:28] staffing issues to do a recirculating
[2:45:30] system. It's a you have to have a
[2:45:31] certified pool operator that operates
[2:45:33] this to check the chlorine levels, and
[2:45:34] then that is a self-contained unit, just
[2:45:36] recirculating the water within its own
[2:45:38] system. And so this is different. Um it
[2:45:41] is a recapture system and not a a
[2:45:43] recycle system, so it is utilizing that
[2:45:47] potentially 5 million gallons. And so
[2:45:48] our recommendations we've consulted with
[2:45:50] public works on the you know, water and
[2:45:52] feeling like to do our part as water
[2:45:54] conservation, uh cuz we're very
[2:45:56] sensitive to that and the the need to
[2:45:58] conserve water,
[2:46:00] uh is to not open and not operate the
[2:46:02] splash pad for the 2026 uh season.
[2:46:05] And defer to Josh too from just a water
[2:46:08] standpoint, too.
[2:46:11] Yeah, I I think uh in in addition to
[2:46:14] what Cole mentioned, um
[2:46:17] the the discussion over this item
[2:46:20] uh in light of the drought conditions
[2:46:22] right now is is also
[2:46:25] trying to factor in a lot of the input
[2:46:27] that we received in 2022 during the last
[2:46:29] drought declaration.
[2:46:31] Um
[2:46:32] the similar concern, but in in kind of
[2:46:34] the the opposite end of the spectrum of
[2:46:37] concern about the city's use
[2:46:39] uh of water
[2:46:41] uh there at the splash pad.
[2:46:43] Uh and then I I I I speak to the current
[2:46:46] state of the system there, but I know
[2:46:48] that there have been some concerns with
[2:46:50] the the current functionality of the
[2:46:52] recapture system
[2:46:54] uh that that have kind of factored into
[2:46:57] some of the
[2:46:58] discussion between parks and public
[2:47:01] works. So.
[2:47:03] Thank you. And for clarification, there
[2:47:05] are other cities that have recirculation
[2:47:08] systems, which is why they keep those
[2:47:10] open because they do have the ability to
[2:47:13] use the same water over and over and
[2:47:14] over.
[2:47:15] And and we don't. And that is the
[2:47:17] difference. That is the difference. Like
[2:47:19] Layton City, for example, their splash
[2:47:21] pad at Ellison is a recirculating
[2:47:23] system. Right. Um they also operate a
[2:47:26] pool. Mhm. So, they have pool certified
[2:47:28] pool operators. Our system doesn't even
[2:47:30] have that capabilities to recircle
[2:47:32] recycle. It would have to be a complete
[2:47:34] new uh system within side the Heritage
[2:47:36] Park pump house. They haven't actually
[2:47:38] considered doing that. We we did have
[2:47:41] some, you know, neighbors that we are on
[2:47:43] the news. Some people complained and
[2:47:45] were sad about it, but it seems like
[2:47:47] most people understood. Go ahead,
[2:47:49] Council Member Bracken. I
[2:47:51] um
[2:47:52] I mean, I'm okay with uh
[2:47:56] maybe reducing the hours, but, you know,
[2:47:58] there's a lot of people. This is one of
[2:48:00] those deals where you have a lot of
[2:48:02] mothers who have their kids home in the
[2:48:05] day for the summer and they are always
[2:48:07] looking for places and it's awful hot
[2:48:09] and it is a
[2:48:12] it's not a huge splash pad. It is a
[2:48:14] amenity
[2:48:16] get people over there and if we can
[2:48:17] recapture the water and put that water
[2:48:20] on our parks to keep our lawns green so
[2:48:22] that we can use that for recreation
[2:48:24] and those types of things. I I know
[2:48:26] that's tough to say that it's all going
[2:48:27] to go right there, but
[2:48:29] I for one, I I think conservation is
[2:48:32] good, but I also think that
[2:48:35] a lot of people
[2:48:38] are looking for
[2:48:39] >> We we will We'll beat We'll get beat up
[2:48:41] either way. Yeah, we're going to get
[2:48:42] beat up either way.
[2:48:43] >> there was a lot of confusion in 2022 on
[2:48:46] what are the hours,
[2:48:47] all that stuff. And so it it it works,
[2:48:50] it doesn't work. I mean, I'd rather say
[2:48:52] if it gets worse in the summer, if we
[2:48:54] don't get then then we can talk about
[2:48:56] closing it then. But for now,
[2:48:59] I'd really be interested in keeping it
[2:49:01] open.
[2:49:01] >> And and to Josh's point, we we do have
[2:49:03] occasions. I'm not going to lie that we
[2:49:04] don't have occasional issues with our pump. Um
[2:49:08] it is a uh
[2:49:11] Well, you know pumps. Pumps are not the funnest things in the world. So
[2:49:14] sometimes it it it works. Unfortunately,
[2:49:16] there have been times where we do have
[2:49:18] to discharge the sewer um on that water.
[2:49:21] But you know, it's it's roughly about
[2:49:22] 50,000 gallons a day
[2:49:24] that uh goes through the system uh on
[2:49:26] when it's in its normal operating
[2:49:29] window. So that's our our recommendation
[2:49:31] is that we not open it, but you know,
[2:49:33] we'll take the direction whatever
[2:49:34] council
[2:49:36] directs us to do. Okay, council member
[2:49:38] um McBride. You know, I'm I'm on the
[2:49:41] same lines as council member Blackham
[2:49:43] here is I do know that I I mean, I'm
[2:49:46] probably not going to go out there
[2:49:47] myself,
[2:49:48] but there are a lot of families that do
[2:49:50] count on some sort of recreation, some
[2:49:52] sort of getting out for a little bit. If
[2:49:54] we can just limit the hours
[2:49:56] and even I mean, even bring them down a
[2:49:58] little bit,
[2:49:59] I just feel like that would
[2:50:00] >> a like what would we be talking about?
[2:50:02] What are the hours now? What is it Right
[2:50:03] now it operates from 11:00 a.m. to 7:00
[2:50:05] p.m. Monday through Saturday.
[2:50:07] >> let's go from that. Noon to 6:00.
[2:50:09] >> other day or something. or something. I
[2:50:11] don't I don't know. I'm just saying.
[2:50:12] >> 6:00 on the weekend.
[2:50:13] >> I think every other day would you just
[2:50:14] get confusing to people. I I If we're
[2:50:16] going to If we're going to do something,
[2:50:17] I'd rather have a a consistent cycle
[2:50:20] every day, whether it's noon to 6:00,
[2:50:22] noon to 5:00, noon to 6:00.
[2:50:24] Noon to 4:00.
[2:50:26] What if we only did Saturdays or
[2:50:27] something? Cuz I was thinking kind of
[2:50:29] along the same lines as as council
[2:50:30] member Blackham McBride that maybe if we
[2:50:33] could just limit it cuz it does also
[2:50:34] serves like us regular a circulatory
[2:50:37] function with our Yeah. water as well,
[2:50:39] right?
[2:50:41] Yeah, one of one of the
[2:50:44] purposes of that is just to assist with
[2:50:46] circulating water through the system. Um
[2:50:50] right now
[2:50:52] anticipating a potential closure of it,
[2:50:55] we've
[2:50:56] modified
[2:50:58] schedules with the water department so
[2:51:00] that we're not dependent on that this
[2:51:02] year.
[2:51:03] But it's it's one of those efficiencies
[2:51:04] that we talked about, "Hey, we can we
[2:51:06] can get some circulation here without a lot of finagling."
[2:51:12] Is it not Sunday? Somebody said Monday
[2:51:15] through Saturday. Well, so what the
[2:51:17] splash pad just so people are also aware
[2:51:18] the splash pad was a a donation by a
[2:51:22] family and part of the donation that
[2:51:24] they requested when we received the the
[2:51:26] donation was not to operate on Sundays.
[2:51:29] Okay.
[2:51:30] >> And so that's we're honoring that
[2:51:32] donation that the family was like think
[2:51:34] $400,000 that they donated for the
[2:51:37] splash pad and so we're honoring that
[2:51:39] request by the family that made the
[2:51:41] donation not to operate on Sundays. So
[2:51:43] that's why it doesn't was because it it was donated
[2:51:47] when it was constructed.
[2:51:48] >> My recommendation for now would be to
[2:51:49] cut out two hours
[2:51:51] of the day. So what? 12:00 to 4:00?
[2:51:53] Yeah, go No, go
[2:51:54] >> allowed It's currently in its in its
[2:51:56] normal operating it's 11:00 to 7:00.
[2:51:58] >> Go 12:00 to 6:00.
[2:52:00] How much water do we
[2:52:02] go through?
[2:52:03] How much do you usually go through to we
[2:52:05] circulate like you were saying. I mean,
[2:52:06] can we just
[2:52:07] >> 6,000 gallon.
[2:52:08] Well, I know the whole thing uses it,
[2:52:10] but I'm saying
[2:52:11] to flush the system and everything else,
[2:52:13] how much water is that versus water that
[2:52:16] just gets more or less wasted?
[2:52:18] Um
[2:52:19] so we don't end up wasting the water
[2:52:23] with the work around that we're doing
[2:52:25] right now.
[2:52:25] >> Wrong terminology there. Um what we do
[2:52:27] is we just
[2:52:28] operate our tanks differently. You know,
[2:52:31] they they might fill up
[2:52:34] and empty on a different schedule
[2:52:37] and and redirecting water in different
[2:52:40] ways that
[2:52:42] just trying to maintain high water
[2:52:44] quality,
[2:52:46] keep water moving as quickly as
[2:52:47] possible. So, I don't think there's a a waste of of water that's taking
[2:52:57] place.
[2:52:58] Admittedly,
[2:53:00] a large part of this is an optics thing.
[2:53:04] Um
[2:53:04] we're we don't own the irrigation
[2:53:07] systems within Kaysville. And and as we
[2:53:11] interact with the public and encourage
[2:53:12] them, hey, let's let's do our part.
[2:53:14] Let's try and see this irrigation season
[2:53:17] go as long as possible. Um
[2:53:20] A lot of the feedback that we get is if
[2:53:24] the city's not doing something,
[2:53:26] the last person I want talking to me
[2:53:27] about what I should do is the city
[2:53:29] themselves. So,
[2:53:31] um to to that regard, I I admire Cole
[2:53:36] and his department pursuing, you know,
[2:53:37] hey, this is non-functional turf. We're
[2:53:39] going to pursue rebates to tear it out
[2:53:41] or we're going to let some of these
[2:53:42] non-functional areas start browning
[2:53:45] and prioritize other places ahead of
[2:53:47] them.
[2:53:48] So,
[2:53:52] 12 to 5.
[2:53:54] Hey, are we ready for a motion or are we
[2:53:55] still discussing?
[2:53:56] >> want to Go ahead.
[2:53:57] >> I want to hear from the other two
[2:53:58] council members or Abby kind of
[2:54:00] mentioned myself. I want to make a few
[2:54:02] comments. Um I think it's smart to
[2:54:07] make adjustments cuz it gets the city
[2:54:08] talking. And the vast majority
[2:54:12] everything we put on our lawns does not
[2:54:14] make it to the Great Salt Lake. Drinking
[2:54:16] water does.
[2:54:17] And and so
[2:54:20] um I I think this will
[2:54:23] really highlight to the city that
[2:54:24] everyone needs to save water in their in
[2:54:27] their yards and whatnot, but I do
[2:54:29] sympathize with families. Uh my little
[2:54:32] girl loves that splash pad.
[2:54:34] Um
[2:54:35] I I don't feel comfortable keeping it
[2:54:37] open every day.
[2:54:39] Um I liked where Council member Hunt was
[2:54:42] going. I think if we were to
[2:54:44] maybe find a compromise,
[2:54:47] maybe 10:00 to 2:00
[2:54:49] during the week. It gets very hot at
[2:54:51] 3:00 and 4:00.
[2:54:52] 3 hours a day,
[2:54:54] middle of the day, I think you'd get a
[2:54:56] lot of people that just come for that
[2:54:57] time period, or maybe just keeping it
[2:54:59] for Fridays and Saturdays.
[2:55:02] Um
[2:55:03] Problem is is you get something and you
[2:55:05] open it such limited hours, then you get
[2:55:08] instead of 100 people going there
[2:55:10] throughout the day, you get 100 people
[2:55:12] there for 2 hours and it just creates a
[2:55:15] more unpleasant experience in your part.
[2:55:18] >> Oh.
[2:55:20] Fridays and Saturdays, I don't mind
[2:55:21] that, but I I don't think we need to
[2:55:23] have it open every day, and
[2:55:24] I just I think we need to really buckle
[2:55:27] up and save this year. So. Part of what
[2:55:30] we do is we're open to, you know, our recommendation was to close it, but
[2:55:33] we're certainly that's why I mean it's a
[2:55:35] good discussion. We're open to You can
[2:55:36] take it both ways. I'd rather just not
[2:55:39] jump and make a huge change, but do
[2:55:42] something and say, you know, put signs
[2:55:44] up, we've limited the hours, we've taken
[2:55:46] 2 hours off a day, or whatever, rather
[2:55:49] than I I hate
[2:55:51] I don't want to panic. That's what I
[2:55:52] just don't want to jump, you know, I I
[2:55:54] think we're making good use of the
[2:55:56] water. I mean, it's moving down, it's
[2:55:58] going back into the system.
[2:56:00] And literally, it's going back into a
[2:56:02] pipe that's going to go out onto the
[2:56:04] lawns that would be going onto the lawns
[2:56:05] anyway. We just get to use it first for
[2:56:07] a little bit.
[2:56:09] Um
[2:56:10] I I don't know. I I just think it's one
[2:56:12] of those deals. We We got some part of
[2:56:14] what we provide is a splash pad in the
[2:56:16] community. It's part of our community.
[2:56:18] We provide those types of things. It
[2:56:19] doesn't cost them anything other than,
[2:56:22] you know, operating it, taking their
[2:56:24] kids down there, and then a little bit
[2:56:26] of maintenance that you got to still do
[2:56:27] at the park anyway. Would you like to
[2:56:29] make a motion? I'll make a motion. Okay.
[2:56:33] After I make a comment. Okay. Okay.
[2:56:36] >> [laughter]
[2:56:36] >> No, I just I I I'm I don't want to make
[2:56:39] the motion if I kind of get a bunch of
[2:56:40] like
[2:56:41] faces.
[2:56:43] Um I was just thinking like, you know,
[2:56:45] sometimes
[2:56:46] looking at it theoretically like a
[2:56:48] weekend, you could say Sunday and Monday
[2:56:50] are the days that it's off.
[2:56:52] So, you could just say Tuesday through
[2:56:54] Saturday it's open from noon to 6:00. Noon to You know,
[2:56:59] that's taking 2 hours off, and it's
[2:57:01] taking 1 day away.
[2:57:05] And I think that's a pretty easy thing
[2:57:07] to like advertise. Just like, "Hey, it's
[2:57:10] open Tuesday through Saturday
[2:57:12] noon to 6:00." Okay, this is the worst
[2:57:15] water year in my entire life. Like, it
[2:57:18] is really bad.
[2:57:19] >> Mhm. And
[2:57:21] I think it's reckless for the city to
[2:57:23] keep it open that much. I really do. I
[2:57:25] feel strongly about this. So, you're
[2:57:27] saying noon to 5:00, you're saying? I
[2:57:30] mean, it gets hot at 6:00. It's like
[2:57:31] that's the peak heat, you know?
[2:57:33] >> water evaporates. We're literally losing
[2:57:35] >> a motion, and if it if it fails, it
[2:57:37] fails. I'll make a motion that we keep
[2:57:39] the splash pad open Tuesday through
[2:57:40] Saturday from uh
[2:57:42] 11:00 to No, 11:00 to 7:00 was what it
[2:57:45] was. 11:00 to 7:00, noon to noon to
[2:57:47] 6:00. I'll second. Yeah. Tuesday through
[2:57:51] Saturday
[2:57:51] >> is a work item. Do we have to move this
[2:57:53] to an action item?
[2:57:54] >> Oh, sorry. I think we're just looking for direction
[2:57:57] from a city council standpoint cuz
[2:58:00] uh correct me if I'm wrong. Well, if it
[2:58:02] was a work item, that would be my
[2:58:03] motion.
[2:58:05] We've typically treated work items as a
[2:58:08] chance for you to preview them, but if
[2:58:10] you want to give us
[2:58:11] direction
[2:58:12] >> Okay. I think a motion on how it's open
[2:58:14] is fine. If you don't want to see it
[2:58:15] back Okay, so we have a motion. We have
[2:58:17] a second. Okay.
[2:58:19] Councilmember McBride.
[2:58:21] Aye.
[2:58:24] Nay. I think it's way too long too too
[2:58:26] much water way too long.
[2:58:27] Nay. Aye.
[2:58:30] Can we readdress this like July or
[2:58:33] August or something?
[2:58:35] I would
[2:58:36] I think that's a good idea. Yeah,
[2:58:38] this came after a discussion
[2:58:40] with Scott Purcell at Benchland.
[2:58:44] I don't think he's trying to be Chicken
[2:58:46] Little. He's just like, "Hey, you know,
[2:58:48] it is not outside the realm of
[2:58:49] possibility that come August
[2:58:52] we're done.
[2:58:53] And
[2:58:54] that's when the discussion really took
[2:58:56] off with us of
[2:58:58] So, you know, as the summer progresses,
[2:59:00] I think that's appropriate to have an
[2:59:02] opportunity for additional discussions.
[2:59:04] I appreciate that. I mean, I appreciate
[2:59:06] everything you guys are doing and trying
[2:59:07] to be conservative and everything else.
[2:59:09] So.
[2:59:10] And I I would say also be where where it
[2:59:12] was a work item and it was giving you
[2:59:14] direction
[2:59:16] that it's appropriate to say that maybe
[2:59:18] we would be okay readdressing it in
[2:59:22] July or you know, mid-June or whenever
[2:59:26] you guys feel appropriate. Well, you
[2:59:28] know, we're in constant communication
[2:59:29] with public works and Josh so as far as
[2:59:31] that so we we monitor and it's you know,
[2:59:34] we just felt like
[2:59:35] opportunity to do our Bring it back.
[2:59:39] Be great. It gets dire and you feel
[2:59:41] uncomfortable, bring it back. And just
[2:59:42] so you know, none of our parks have
[2:59:44] irrigated. We are honoring the November
[2:59:46] or the May 15th day so we are doing our
[2:59:48] part as Josh mentioned to conserve.
[2:59:51] Are these hours of Tuesday through
[2:59:53] Saturday confusing? No, I think that
[2:59:55] >> that okay? I think we if if it went like
[2:59:57] an every other day or a you know, that
[3:00:00] gets really confusing but if it's a a
[3:00:02] schedule That's we can we can do it.
[3:00:04] >> We can broadcast that. We can make
[3:00:05] signage Okay. at the splash pad so
[3:00:07] Tuesday through Saturday. Tuesday
[3:00:09] through Saturday noon to 6:00 no
[3:00:11] speedos. Okay. So,
[3:00:13] Councilmember Hunt was a no. You are Do
[3:00:16] we keep voting? I can't remember. We
[3:00:18] finished. We all voted. We finished.
[3:00:20] Okay. Motion passed 3 to 2.
[3:00:22] >> for Josh McBride. No, we We've done. You voted, too?
[3:00:25] >> Yeah, I said yeah. Okay. Motion carries.
[3:00:27] Got you. Thanks. All right, we're done.
[3:00:28] 7 minutes to 10.
[3:00:30] >> Okay. Anyone have anyone a council
[3:00:32] member report? You better not. I'm just
[3:00:34] kidding. I want to tell [laughter] you
[3:00:35] about actually I'm just kidding.
[3:00:38] You better not have anything to report.
[3:00:41] >> [sighs]
[3:00:42] >> Anything?
[3:00:44] Okay.
[3:00:44] >> [laughter]
[3:00:45] >> Jason's like Okay. Okay, Jason,
[3:00:47] anything?
[3:00:48] Okay. All right. We are hitting our
[3:00:51] 10:00 hour, so motion to adjourn would
[3:00:53] be appropriate because then we have a
[3:00:55] closed session. Do we need to make a
[3:00:56] motion to extend even though we have a
[3:00:58] closed session? I'll make a motion that
[3:00:59] we extend past the 10:00
[3:01:02] until possibly 11:30.
[3:01:07] I second.
[3:01:09] All in favor? Aye. Aye.
[3:01:12] Motion to adjourn? No, motion to go into
[3:01:14] closed
[3:01:14] >> Motion into go into closed session. All
[3:01:17] in favor?
[3:01:17] >> everybody for your Aye.
[3:01:19] >> Thank you, everyone. Thank you for being
[3:01:20] here.
[3:01:22] He did. He did make a motion. She He
[3:01:24] made a motion to go into closed session.
[3:01:27] Uh the uh Yeah.
[3:01:29] >> And we're going to actually a closed
[3:01:31] session, right?
[3:01:32] >> Closed session. Yeah. Closed.
[3:01:34] Uh Josh Josh seconded it.
[3:01:37] Um
[3:01:37] >> You did. I'll just say I did. Yeah.
[3:01:41] Motion Motion to go into a closed
[3:01:42] session. And I'll second it. All in
[3:01:44] favor? Aye.
[3:01:48] » [laughter]
[3:01:49] >> During this
[3:02:06] Made everybody look at my rock. Look at
[3:02:08] my rock.
[3:02:13] Yeah, look at this pencil I found.
[3:02:15] >> [laughter]
[3:02:15] >> Where did you discover this pencil? Look
[3:02:17] at this stick I found.
[3:02:18] What is this pencil? A rock and a brass
[3:02:20] one. I saw a real I saw a rock.
[3:02:26] You forgot to bring props. Sorry.
[3:02:31] No, hold me up, bud.
[3:02:33] I'm going to grab a sandwich. Grab a
[3:02:35] sandwich before the cool session.
[3:02:36] Sure.
[3:02:40] I need to use the restroom. So do I.
[3:02:43] You better go use the restroom. Yeah, I
[3:02:45] would use that, too. Good job. That was
[3:02:46] good. I think I was good.
[3:02:48] Yeah.
[3:02:49] I mean it.
[3:02:51] Thank you for participating.
[3:02:53] Yeah.
[3:02:56] No, no, I'm glad you said it. You know
[3:02:58] what? Like you you stop and forget about
[3:03:01] kids not having access to a pool or a
[3:03:02] gym.
[3:03:04] I already started.
[3:04:24] » Mhm.