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All the participants, we're going to speak in English, we're going to speak in English.

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What is going on? Isn't the office seat?

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It's very good.

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I'm just trying to find out.

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Oh, we're going.

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I think it's your turn.

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I think it's for our attention.

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I got another one at home, but I just, I haven't transferred stuff over yet.

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I know.

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I'm in the store works, but.

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I'm going to pay a charge for you.

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Yeah, I see.

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I have a 19-year-old son to prove it.

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I don't know if

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it's ready.

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Ready?

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Okay.

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Welcome, everyone.

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We can call this meeting to orders as a meeting of the Case of the City Planning Commission.

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It is June 25th.

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Welcome everyone who is here and attendance as well as those that are watching online.

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Agenda item number two, Declaration of Conflict of Interest.

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Seeing none, we will look at Agenda item number three,

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election of a new chair and vice chair for the Plan of Commission.

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Now I should point out I guess we had a little conversation before the meeting.

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The by-laws technically state that this is supposed to happen in the first meeting of July.

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And this is not quite July.

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We talked about it.

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We don't think that there's a big issue that we could, you know,

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you know, if the chair can suspend certain rules and we kind of debated.

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And so I guess I wanted to find out how comfortable the commission is voting on this right now instead of going through our next meeting.

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Anyone have any concerns with doing it right now?

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Okay.

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Then we will take any nominations for a new Plan and Commission chair.

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I will nominate Erin Young as a new chair.

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And I think we should point out you can refuse the nomination if you are uncomfortable with it.

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Oh, second that.

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Any other nominations?

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Mr. Chair, I move the nomination cease and that Aaron be chosen by acclamation.

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I've seen that there are no more nominations.

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I think it says that, right?

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We don't actually have to vote if there's only one nominee.

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But all in favor of Aaron Young is the new chair.

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Aye.

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Any opposed?

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All right. We'll now open up nominations for a vice chair.

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I nominate Jeremy.

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And nominations do not need a second, I believe.

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So that was my understanding,

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but I tried to read through the robber two wheels real quick, but

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I'll second it again.

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Sure. It's good to have that anyway.

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I agree. Jeremy would get.

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Any other nominations?

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Okay,

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all those in favor?

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All right.

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All right.

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Any opposed?

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All right.

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You okay with what?

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Did you want to take over right now?

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I'd say continue.

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We'll start that then.

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Next up.

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Next up.

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Next up.

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Next up.

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Next up.

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All right.

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Jen, I have number four.

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Public hearing for a reason request for the property.

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Located at 820 Mayor Circle from A5 heavy agricultural to R116 single family residential.

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Thank you, Chair Packer.

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I apologize for the miss numbering there without many to keep me in check.

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Clearly, I can't count.

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Anyway, this application from Suzy Hansen is to rezone the property at 820 Mayor Circle to R16.

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It was requested that I provide a clarification that this application by Suzy is not in any way affiliated with or connected to Symphony Holmes.

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is just choosing Hansen's application.

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As you can see here, it is currently zoned A5

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and primarily surrounded by residential agriculture.

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As far as the general plan, there are three heat goals that really speak to

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support of this application, the first being goal 1, which is to provide

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from Chapter 1 to provide a full range of housing opportunities to meet the economic lifestyle

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and lifestyle.

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Life cycle needs for next petations for residents and to rezone densities to facilitate the

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production of modern income housing, goal 6 to continue the established focus of single

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family residential uses and goal 8 to provide a range of housing options that help ensure

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caseville is an affordable place to live.

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And looking at the Future Online News Map, it does show this area as being intended for a single family zoning.

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So both the Future Online News Map and those components of the general plan do provide support for this application.

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As far as public noticing in comments, sign was placed on the property on Thursday, June 18th, total of 78 notices were mailed out.

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We received two phone calls, one of which was just

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inquiring the nature, the reason process,

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and the other was requesting clarification

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on the application and expressing opposition.

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We've also had 19 total comments submitted

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to the Planck Mission Regramnis application,

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17 were in opposition, one was neutral,

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and one was from the applicant.

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Broad range of concerns expressed primarily about traffic levels, preservation of open space, the development agreement that is tied in some respects to the Equestrian Center, the change in density that this application would enable and the compatibility was surrounding lots.

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So based on support from the 2022 General Plan and the Future Laney's map staff recommends

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applying a mission to provide a recommendation of approval, the City Council for the

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Reson of 820 Mayor Circle from A5, heavy agriculture to R16, single-family residential.

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And the applicant is here to answer questions.

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Do you want to make any statements or presentation here at the beginning or ends up here?

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Sure.

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Okay, do we have any questions for staff before we get to the public hearing portion?

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The only question that I have is is there any kind of a applicant development concept that was submitted or anything like that?

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Nothing.

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All right.

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So we will then open up the public hearing portion of this.

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I'll give you an opportunity to come forward.

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Share any thoughts that you have.

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There are a few cards out there that explain a few of the rules.

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We ask that you just come up state your name.

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You are limited to three minutes.

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And we ask that the audience doesn't

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wooer clap or whatever to react to comments just so we

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keep it as open and welcoming to everyone.

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Yeah, I think that's everything.

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So, and for anyone who is moving this might be new,

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we generally don't hold discussion during your time.

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It's your time to talk.

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And so you can pose questions.

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And if we can find answers afterwards,

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we'll do that, but we won't engage in trying

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to answer those questions at that moment.

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All right, so that is open, whoever would like to come up.

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Hi, my name is John Mayer. I am a resident of Kaysville. I live in West Kaysville.

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Just up there street from the existing Equestrian Center and I just wanted to voice. I think

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what a lot of people in our neighborhood have this similar concern of losing this

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Equestrian facility, even though we don't necessarily use it. We actually are among the people

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who do have horses in West Kaysville still and it's kind of very disappointing to us when we

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lot in the sense that a question in the states, the idea was that we would be in an area

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that was supportive of that sort of, you know, that past time, and it feels like that is

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disappearing in West case alone. And I'm not even as concerned about the density of the

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potential development there, I'm concerned about the loss of the open space in the Equestrian

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Center. And so, you know, the density is a secondary issue. I'm not sure that's going to

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I'm not actually familiar with how far this has gone through the city and where things are.

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I understand that I see the recommendation from the planning commission, but anyway that's I think it concerned a lot of people have on the west side.

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I'm sure there will be some additional comments, but again, thank you for your attention.

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Thank you.

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Hi there, I'm Stacy Biergard and I live in South Weaver City, so just north of here.

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I just wanted to speak because this space is really important to me.

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And I want to help protect it.

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I really feel like this space has built a community.

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It's been a center for learning and for personal development and growth and healing.

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When I came to this space a couple years ago, I had been in an accident and it was pretty

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traumatized and so this space has really been a place of comfort and healing and just

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a wonderful place for community.

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It's mentioned in the rezoning proposal that a key goal is to preserve and protect

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K'sville's small town field and this place really symbolizes that small town

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field. It's a place that's home to agriculture, a place where people gather to

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support each other and help each other, where we bring our families and we share

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meals with each other and we play games, and not only is this a place for horses and a

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home to horses, but it's a home to other animals on the property. You know, of course

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there's the cows, but we also have blue herons on the property. We have quail, ducks, all

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kinds of different birds. And you know, this is their home too. So I'm coming to just

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to please protect this space.

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Thank you.

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Hello, my name is Nicole Stead.

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I live in Caysville.

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I live on Flint Street, and I also currently have a horse

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at Sunset Equestrian.

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Tonight's decision is about much more than just

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98thers of land.

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It's about whether Caysville is willing to lose one of its

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last remaining equestrian facilities.

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Sunset is more than a boarding facility.

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It is a home to a 4-H program that gives local

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use opportunities to develop responsibility, leadership, and a connection to agriculture.

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My 12-year-old daughter is part of that 4-H program, and she's been participating in

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those 4-H events for the last few years.

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Like our soccer fields, pickleball courts, and parks, since that provides an important recreational,

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educational, and community resource for caseville residents.

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As land prices continue to rise, owning properties for horses is becoming very difficult for families, making a question centers like sunset, one of the few places where people can continue to ride, learn and participate in the horse community.

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Last summer, Susie Hansen told me the lesson program was the strongest it ever had been. She credited the new highway that came in behind it to increase visibility for bringing in more students.

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From what I personally witnessed daily, the facility is serving a true need in our community.

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Just within my 13 homes, in my little neighborhood and caseville, four girls were taking writing lessons.

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The arena, boarding, barns, and lesson program were consistently busy, showing there is a strong community demand for an equestrian facility like this in K'sville.

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Just last month, city council recognized the equestrian, recognized that equestrian properties like sunset are an important part of K'sville's history and K'sville's history of agriculture and they should be preserved whenever reasonably possible.

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If this property is rezone, there is no going back.

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66 homes can be built elsewhere, but a facility like Sunset cannot be simply recreated

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once it's gone.

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Places like this are becoming increasingly rare, making them even more valuable to our

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community.

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Please protect Sunset Equestrian Center.

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Once it's gone, Kaysville City will lose one of its pieces of heritage and a community

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asset that future generations will never have the opportunity to experience.

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I ask you to preserve the current agricultural zoning.

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The question before the city is not whether or not homes can be built there, but whether

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case will still value having an equestrian center and open space in this location.

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And I firmly believe that answer is yes.

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I respectfully ask you to deny the reason.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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The name is Marikai Thurber.

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I live on Thurberett Circle in synthetic question.

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And we moved to K'sville in December, so we haven't been here very long.

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We moved there specifically, one of the big reasons was because there were trails that

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horses could walk on all through the neighborhood.

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The Equestrian Center was just down the street. Yes, we own a horse.

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It is part of the things we love.

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And here we are six months later, losing it. We haven't even got everything all moved into the house yet.

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It is heartbreaking to find that these kind of facilities are completely disappearing from our environment.

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I don't think there's anywhere else in Northern Utah and believe me I've been to almost every barn in the state,

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where this kind of facility where your kids can actually walk down to the barn

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and work with their horse is available.

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It just isn't available.

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And once this one is gone,

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you cannot replace it.

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There is nowhere else for that kind of opportunity.

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It was my understanding when we moved in that the facility was tied in with the HOA.

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And so I'm curious what kind of how that can work, how it can just be resumed, and

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still be part of the HOA.

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it doesn't seem right to me. I also have one question. I'll want to urge you. Please

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vote against this rezoning. It seems against everything that our Western

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live style and our Western values stand for. My one question is exactly what is our

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one six single-family residential mean in this community. Thank you. Thank you.

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Thank you for

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the opportunity to speak tonight. My name is Holly Akkar and I am a resident okay as

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So regarding the proposed zone change for 820 mayor circle from agriculture to residential,

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I respectfully ask the commission to recommend denial of this application.

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The significance of this decision is not simply a change in zoning on a single parcel.

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It is a decision about whether one of Cavesville's few remaining equestrian properties

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should be permanently converted into a residential development.

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Caseville's General Plan repeatedly identifies preservation of key agricultural lands, open space, and community character, as important community objectives, residents participated in creating that vision because they, we, value the qualities that make caseville different from the surrounding communities.

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Qualities that brought me to K'sville when I relocated here from Florida.

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This property thinks the Susie and what she created truly embodies most of these qualities.

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For years, it's function as an equestrian facility, home to close to 100 horses, and

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represented the agriculture heritage that K'sville has historically sought to preserve.

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This land brought together a herd of humans and horses, creating connections that extended

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far beyond writing.

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We brought our families together, my son, sitting there, starting writing a couple years ago.

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Children have been born and have come into the family, trainers, volunteers, and horse owners

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found that community, purpose, and belonging there.

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Once this property is resowned and developed, those agriculture and a question opportunities

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will be lost permanently.

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Furthermore, the choice is not between high-density housing and single-family housing.

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the choices between preserving agriculture and

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equestrian land or converting it to residential use.

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The density may have changed and may change a few more times before we're through this,

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but the permanent loss of the community remains the same.

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I'm particularly concerned that the argument may be brought forward for

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rezoning may rely at least in part on the claim that the

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equestrian operation is no longer active.

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However, a property's long-term land use should not be determined solely by whether the current owner chooses to continue operating a current business.

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As a ten-in of the Equestrian Center, I was given only 30 days notice to vacate, and the cessation of operations was therefore the result of a decision by the property owner rather than the lack of demand or viability for the Equestrian use.

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Earlier discussions regarding this property indicated that the equestrian operation was profitable and viable.

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If a profit...

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Agricals are a question and use facility is intentionally discontinued, and then cited as evidence that the property should be resowned, that creates a troubling precedent. It will encourage the deliberate abandonment of agriculture uses as a pathway to residential development.

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I know I'm on time, but I would ask the commission to deny this application and allow another buyer to take the rain.

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And I sincerely appreciate everything that you brought to this community and I hope we can keep it like it is.

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Thank you for the time.

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Thank you.

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Chairperson.

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As soon to be Chairperson.

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Vice Chair.

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John Adams.

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I live on Thoroughbred Drive.

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There's a lot of time back here.

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And maybe only have three seconds to let three minutes unless someone decides to yield their time to me.

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The question here is not about whether or not someone has been forced to run their property.

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we are not communists. We don't make people run a property. The question here is that this was

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part of a development agreement initially to allow for excess zoning. So initially when

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this came to council, the only reason that they were able to get the density within the neighborhood

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was by having this 19 acres that was set aside to be in a question center. And within the development

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agreement, it says that this 19 acres, which is actually a lot, it is LOT, a lot within the

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HOA, and is listed as for the benefit and pleasure of the Sun's set of questionist states.

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It also states within there that it doesn't have to be run by the HOA that it could

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be run by someone privately, and that that person would run it, but that it would remain

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that use. Now when the developer went bankrupt and they had to sell it, the folks

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that bought it for close to $380,000. $380,000, $19,000 with water rights, knew what

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they were buying. They were buying a piece of property that was designated, designated

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within a development agreement to be open space and they've sold 10 of those

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to symphony homes, which is bold in a lot of ways because now symphonies under the same

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obligation with that nineteen acres as they are with their nine. And if they can't run

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the system because they sold that ten acres then that was their choice. But I say to you

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the biggest question here is how can you reason a piece of property that is within a development

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agreement right now stated to be an equestrian center. I do not ask you to force someone

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to continue to run a business. If Susie would like to not run the business anymore and let

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it just sit there, that's fine. But you can't change what was stated that it was to be a development

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agreement. And there is so much here to unpack. I mean they came eight years ago to try and do this

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And I'm shocked that staff is recommending approval because right now there is a development agreement that states this is to be an equestrian center for the benefit and pleasure of the Sunset equestrian state.

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And I ask that you deny this.

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Thank you.

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I'm trying not to repeat some of the things that John said.

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My name is Tina Err.

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I sleep in Bound of Full City, but I am here almost every day in case Full City.

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My horse is boarded at Sunset of Question and Center, and I'm here today on behalf of myself

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and the more than 50 other families who board at and love the Question and Center.

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I'm here to respectfully ask you to maintain the Agricultural Zoning of Sunset of Question and Center

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and reject any proposal to resume this property for high-density housing or anything other than what it was originally contracted to be.

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What was it originally contracted to be in a question center?

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Parcel A is to be used for open space associated with caseville sunset

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equestrian state's development. It may be sold to a private

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concierge who will construct and operate the equestrian facility.

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The D-Convane parcel A shall place constraints on the parcel

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to assure it remains viable open space for the development.

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The plat is clear. Any development that changes these requirements

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violates these explicit restrictions, homeowners in the development have relied on these requirements

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when they purchased their homes. It was a selling point by the developers. The streets all have a

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question names and there are questions specific trails running all throughout the neighborhoods.

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We've heard of one individual who has relocated this evening because of this Equestrian Center

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and I know of another one who came from out of state specifically moving into the sunset, a question

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states because of the Equestrian facility. I can only imagine the heartbreak that they're

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having when they heard that it was closing on June 1st. The Landworth Sunset Equestrian

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States is located was purchased at a deeply discounted rate because of their requirements

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for it to be an Equestrian Center. I feel it is morally and ethically atrocious to try and sell

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the property in a matter other than what it was legally allowed to be. There's only one person

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that would benefit from this property rezone.

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The homeowners in the neighborhood would suffer.

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The equestrian community would suffer.

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Those whose livelihoods depend upon the facility,

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the facility would suffer.

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And I strongly believe that K'sville City would suffer as well.

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Some may talk about the equestrian center

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like it's just some remote piece of land

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out in the middle of nowhere that is not having any use.

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And the reality is that some set of equestrian center

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is more than just a horse facility.

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It is a community asset that supports local families, small businesses, youth programs, recreation and the Western heritage that helps make a case bill unique.

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Getting low on time, so I want to get to what I felt was more important.

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There may be talks circulating that the business is floundering and that interest in horse ownership or equine activities are diminishing.

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Those assumptions couldn't be anything further from the truth.

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There's been a nearly constant waiting list of parents wanting to enroll their children

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in horseback writing lessons and not too long ago, there was a wait list to even get your horse

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into the boarding facility. For years, the question and properties have been under attack

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by the rapid development spread in across the state.

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I respectfully urge you to please

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protect Sensa Equestrian Center for this generation and the future wants to come. Thank you.

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Thank you.

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To what they have said, Kim Johnson, Kaysville Resident, I am not a member of the Sunset

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to question neighborhood and having it nearly in our backyard.

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Is what attracted us to case bill? We have three horses. And we have had the pleasure of utilizing sunset, equestrian for a lot of the activities we participated in Susie's 4-H.

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Program, my daughter has been able to take lessons there from instructors that, otherwise,

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we would be traveling to Alden to Sandy to be able to do.

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We have an opportunity here as K'sville, as you say in your general plan, number six, to preserve

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the character of our city.

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And to me, especially as a resident of the west side of K'sville, this embodies what that means,

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this equestrian facility embodies that. And as others have so eloquently said,

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we will not be able to get it back. Just building now a type of facility like this is a tremendous

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cost you cannot recreate what we have there, not just the land, the facility itself. And I am sure

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that we could find another willing to run it if we are given a chance as a horse community.

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So I also urge you to vote no on this reason.

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Thank you

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Jason, I live in Mayor Circle.

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I think we were here several years ago having the same discussion and that got rejected and

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I believe more recently, Symphony had part of their plan was to develop the Equestrian

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Center to develop that land and they even presented and provided legal opinion from their

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council that there was a way to do that.

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I truly believe if that was true, they probably would have kept that land or found a way

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to make that work.

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I don't know if that's the intent, currently.

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I'm seeing that there's a potential option there or not, but clearly there was a declaration

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in the requirements for how it needed to be built and why it was there and why we need

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keep it. And if it truly was about case, we would imagine simply would be here having this

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good discussion, or would have presented it sooner instead of giving up on that property.

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So that's not the case, but either way, it's part of our community. It's there. We all

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want into it. We all agree to it. We all understood that it was going to stay in remain. And

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if it doesn't, then that would put the rest of our community out of zoning compliance with

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what was required for that subdivision.

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So is that a place that we want to go to

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reason the whole community now?

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Because of the plan being given up seems a bit

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at reaches, especially for those of us

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that have lived there for 10 plus years.

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And have been there from the beginning

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and have enjoyed that whole space.

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So I appreciate your time and just consider that as we go forward.

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Thank you.

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Hello.

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My name is Judge Stanger.

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I live in the Sunside Equestrian State.

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I have a number of concerns with the high density of R16s zoning, but that's to my point.

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I thought that's irrelevant because, as has been spoken, there's a number of items that are at issue here.

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I've been through the development agreement, the CC&Rs looked at the recorded plat,

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and this property is part of the sense that a question is the state's development.

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It's clear. So there are issues with that. There are the CCNRs say the arena property shall at all times be owned and used in a manner consistent with the obligations imposed by the development agreement.

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I know that it's not your job to uphold CCNRs. That's an HOA issue, but that's right there.

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In the development agreement you can find wording on what that parcel is to be used for.

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on the plat, as was read earlier, it says that this parcel is to be used for open space

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as associated with this case-built sense that a question in a state's development, but may be

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sold to a private concessionaire who will construct and operate the Equestrian facility.

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The deed conveying parcel A shall remain or shall place constraints on the parcel to assure

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it remains viable open space for this development. These are all recorded documents with the

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County, public record. On the deed, it was given, it was a special warranty deed that

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conveyed the property to them to the current owner. And on that deed it says subject

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to easements, restrictions and rights of way appearing of record. Pointing back to these

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recorded documents. So in my view, there's no reason to rezone a property when it's designated

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it to be viable open space for the development.

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There's no need to pursue it any further.

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It's already been pursued.

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It's open space for this other subdivision.

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I don't know how you'd be able to then take it out

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of this other subdivision, the other set of CCNRs,

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the other set of this other platform,

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and all that, and change that from its designated use.

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So I ask that you deny the reason.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Anyone else?

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Hi,

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my name is Elizabeth White, I live on Thurber Drive, close to the question center.

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Keyesville has always been known as a beautiful community.

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We love Keyesville.

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We came to Keyesville because of its atmosphere.

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It used to, of course, been all agriculture.

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In our little area is one of that last pocket of agriculture.

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It's the last bit, and it's beautiful.

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We bought our home there because of the Christchurch Center.

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While I am not tied to the Christchurch Center, we enjoyed every day.

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We walk the paths, we enjoy the streets, we love seeing the horses.

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The atmosphere is one of peace, tranquility, and that's why we bought it.

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We had the highway come in, that destroyed some of it, but we're good.

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If we were to have the high-density building, there would be so many troubles, I want to first echo everyone who was said something before, but since I'm not a tight equestrian center personally, other than enjoying it immensely, I would like to bring up the concerns that comes to my mind.

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One, there are no traffic outlets.

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It would be substantial building to get to accommodate.

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That much traffic. I know there are plans for it, but just envision my backyard. There's now a highway there. And then there's a bike path. Then they're going to put angel street on that path too. So now you have a busy street, a bike path, a busy street and then a walk path. That destroys all of the beauty that's there.

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I also have concerns, you have the traffic issues, which is going to cost a lot of money for

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K'sville.

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You also have the problem of emergency services.

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How are we going to accommodate that many people in that area when we're already kind of

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at max?

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Talk about water.

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We already have water issues.

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How are we going to accommodate that many new houses and the water needs?

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How about schools, our schools are at capacity?

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What are we going to do for those children?

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Especially when we have a lot of high density housing,

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just down the street and shepherd that's going up

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and more coming over in station park.

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I just urge you to deny this request.

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It will, sorry, it will affect so many people

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who deliberately chose their homes

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because of Questrean Center and because of the beautiful atmosphere and the last pocket of agriculture

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in caseville City. Let's preserve that. Thank you. Thank you.

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My name is Lauren Starkey. I live in caseville. I do not live in West caseville. I am speaking

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as a resident who came to four years ago and was reassured at this planning commission with

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of my neighbors, that when a development agreement was created, that it would be written in the

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county and preserved on the county record and that there was no doubt that it would be

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respected. I'm wondering if that's the case. And if this reason is go through what that

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means not just to the equestrian people that are around this area.

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but any citizen of case will, if we choose not to respect the development agreement.

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I also just would like to say that I appreciate the people that care about their,

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even if we do not live right next door to the beauty.

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It's nice to have it close and it is nice to have it peaceful and it's nice to have it tranquil.

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And we as a non-naborate to this community, I respectfully request that you deny the

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reason.

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Thank you.

455
00:40:30,580 --> 00:40:31,000
Thank you.

456
00:40:38,470 --> 00:40:38,590
Thank you.

457
00:40:38,710 --> 00:40:45,170
Joel Tippets live in Mayor Circle live there for 15 years now, love the community, love

458
00:40:45,170 --> 00:40:53,550
case bill, have enjoyed the open spaces around me, which seem to be doing doing more and

459
00:40:53,550 --> 00:41:00,510
or throughout our state and throughout, you know, the West is a whole and we do have a heritage

460
00:41:00,510 --> 00:41:06,630
in the west of the question and we fund a preserve that and with all the comments that have

461
00:41:06,630 --> 00:41:14,110
been made especially with the planning or the development agreement, you know, that should be

462
00:41:14,110 --> 00:41:21,150
upheld and that I think is your job to uphold those things and preserve them because it sets

463
00:41:21,150 --> 00:41:28,250
not a good precedent to make that void, so I strongly disagree with this proposal going

464
00:41:28,250 --> 00:41:28,650
through.

465
00:41:28,850 --> 00:41:30,050
Thank you for your time.

466
00:41:30,610 --> 00:41:31,570
Thank you.

467
00:41:45,170 --> 00:41:46,330
My name is Bridget Lane.

468
00:41:46,430 --> 00:41:47,970
I'm a terrible public speaker.

469
00:41:48,110 --> 00:41:48,990
My anxiety is high.

470
00:41:49,130 --> 00:41:49,590
I apologize.

471
00:41:50,310 --> 00:41:53,630
But I am a resident of Caseville City.

472
00:41:53,910 --> 00:41:58,510
I live across from the USU, the Davis Heritage Center.

473
00:41:58,990 --> 00:42:01,650
I'm a third generation Equestrian.

474
00:42:01,650 --> 00:42:08,170
Unfortunately, my family sold their property for to home development, and I cannot keep my horses on my property.

475
00:42:08,870 --> 00:42:12,550
My house has been in the family since the 1930s.

476
00:42:12,870 --> 00:42:15,190
We live up the old blood farmhouse.

477
00:42:16,750 --> 00:42:20,910
So, if property were available, we would just cherish it that much more.

478
00:42:21,470 --> 00:42:24,590
I own an equestrian business called rural Avenue.

479
00:42:24,990 --> 00:42:27,050
That is based in Kaysville, Utah.

480
00:42:28,090 --> 00:42:55,070
My clients are clients of sunset, a question, I deliver all over K-sville, I see that they live in nice homes, two apartments, you know, they need these facilities because not everyone that has horses has big homes, some of them do live in apartments, two afford places, we need boarding facilities, last year I was at a boarding facility, apologies.

481
00:42:55,910 --> 00:43:03,530
that closed. 13 horses had to be re-homed. It affected seven families. I tried to buy that property.

482
00:43:04,370 --> 00:43:12,150
I tried really hard to buy that property. I had investors. I did everything. I offered $10,000 more than symphony homes.

483
00:43:12,530 --> 00:43:18,810
I offered to buy it before symphony homes. The person would not sell to me. I tried to save it as agriculture.

484
00:43:18,810 --> 00:43:23,870
It is now owned by Symphony Helms and will be many, many homes.

485
00:43:25,770 --> 00:43:30,790
Please reconsider. You're going to affect my business. You're going to affect my employees.

486
00:43:31,190 --> 00:43:36,950
I have seven. Please reconsider what this could do to my business. To my hobbies.

487
00:43:37,730 --> 00:43:43,830
I have my horses in late to now. That's where I have to go. I have to drive to my horses every day.

488
00:43:43,830 --> 00:43:47,490
If you've done morning and night, I have red and it's sunset a question.

489
00:43:48,050 --> 00:43:49,190
It's a beautiful facility.

490
00:43:49,570 --> 00:43:50,570
It works well.

491
00:43:51,170 --> 00:43:52,570
I've tried to board there.

492
00:43:52,650 --> 00:43:53,770
I've talked to Susie.

493
00:43:54,130 --> 00:43:57,410
I tried to negotiate things even with my business in ways

494
00:43:57,410 --> 00:43:59,550
that we could benefit each other.

495
00:43:59,990 --> 00:44:01,150
So sorry.

496
00:44:01,150 --> 00:44:02,550
I hope that all makes sense.

497
00:44:02,690 --> 00:44:03,670
Thank you for your time.

498
00:44:03,970 --> 00:44:04,930
Thank you for considering.

499
00:44:06,230 --> 00:44:07,370
I'm listening to my words.

500
00:44:08,410 --> 00:44:09,010
Thank you.

501
00:44:09,430 --> 00:44:09,810
Thank you.

502
00:44:23,690 --> 00:44:26,510
Wayne Thurber, you heard from my wife a little bit earlier.

503
00:44:26,510 --> 00:44:30,750
We've actually owned horses for about 30 years.

504
00:44:33,690 --> 00:44:38,550
We got into the horse business if you will, because of our daughter.

505
00:44:40,230 --> 00:44:47,470
And so what I wanted to talk about is the relationship between the person on the horse and the horse.

506
00:44:48,330 --> 00:44:52,190
There's something unique in that relationship.

507
00:44:52,190 --> 00:44:56,010
that each horse has a different personality, each individual,

508
00:44:56,890 --> 00:44:59,770
has a different personality, and they learn to work together.

509
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:18,960
It's something that you can't do when you are, like if you're young and you're on a video game all the time, you don't get the same kind of growth that comes from horseback riding and building that relationship.

510
00:45:18,960 --> 00:45:34,150
The life lessons that not only are daughter, but my wife and I learn through watching her

511
00:45:34,150 --> 00:45:39,650
and now watching her with her children and how those life lessons from the horse carry

512
00:45:39,650 --> 00:45:40,630
over to her family.

513
00:45:40,750 --> 00:45:41,890
It's invaluable.

514
00:45:41,890 --> 00:45:52,970
And I think if we lose that type of facility, that access to that type of activity for young

515
00:45:52,970 --> 00:45:59,810
people or anybody who's struggling with the way life is these days, it's a tragedy to

516
00:45:59,810 --> 00:46:00,810
lose that.

517
00:46:01,410 --> 00:46:09,790
So I would encourage you to make sure that we can keep a question in facilities specifically

518
00:46:09,790 --> 00:46:16,190
this one. I live on thoroughbred circle so we're really close to it. We ride, I ride my bike

519
00:46:16,190 --> 00:46:24,650
pass there on the bike path and see the young folds and all the animals in it. It's a great

520
00:46:24,650 --> 00:46:28,150
place. Thank you. Thank you.

521
00:46:34,920 --> 00:46:40,900
My name is Evelyn Johnson. I am a Kaysville resident and I have three horses

522
00:46:40,900 --> 00:46:48,020
like my mom said. We live pretty close to sunset. It's super nice. I can walk my horse

523
00:46:48,020 --> 00:46:53,000
do a little trail ride and walk around on the trails over there. It's really a beautiful place.

524
00:46:53,160 --> 00:46:56,880
And I've learned a lot there. I've been able to take lessons there and it's made a big impact

525
00:46:56,880 --> 00:47:03,840
on me. And I just urge you guys to support all the writers here that really care about their horses

526
00:47:03,840 --> 00:47:09,340
And vote no for a rezoning it, thank you.

527
00:47:09,440 --> 00:47:10,060
Thank you.

528
00:47:17,680 --> 00:47:20,320
Here in I do live in Sunset Equestrian and States.

529
00:47:21,220 --> 00:47:26,300
The reason that we've bought years and years ago is because of the horse facility and

530
00:47:26,940 --> 00:47:29,480
the trails and the full package.

531
00:47:31,880 --> 00:47:32,720
It is so unique.

532
00:47:33,380 --> 00:47:35,300
It would be truly losing a treasure.

533
00:47:36,640 --> 00:47:38,840
I also, I would love to owe my horse property.

534
00:47:38,840 --> 00:47:43,860
I do not, I have to board, and when these boarding facilities go away like everybody mentioned,

535
00:47:44,400 --> 00:47:54,380
it just, it just ruins things, and I really love this is part of K-SIL, and I'm not going

536
00:47:54,380 --> 00:47:58,920
to want to read this out. There are people that will come and buy that property and we'll

537
00:47:58,920 --> 00:48:06,440
keep it a question, and keep it open space. So please vote no one to reason. Keep the open space,

538
00:48:06,440 --> 00:48:09,240
keep K-sville for C. Thank you.

539
00:48:09,240 --> 00:48:09,700
Thank you.

540
00:48:14,820 --> 00:48:19,680
I wasn't planning on doing this. I'm my name's Danielle Butters. I live in Cenerville. I am

541
00:48:19,680 --> 00:48:35,840
Susie's daughter. So I have a little bit of unique perspective on all this and I would just say to everyone that has shared passion and just so dedicated to keeping this facility open.

542
00:48:35,840 --> 00:48:46,560
that no one in the whole world loves it, sorry, loves it more than my mom, and no one in

543
00:48:46,560 --> 00:48:52,560
the whole world has worked their entire life away to keep this place running more than

544
00:48:52,560 --> 00:49:00,000
my mom. The whole reason our family even got into horses was because I was a really anxious

545
00:49:00,000 --> 00:49:06,640
kid, really anxious, and my mom was trying to find a way to help me and got me into

546
00:49:06,640 --> 00:49:13,960
horse decorating lessons. And that was like a really long time ago because I'm old. And

547
00:49:13,960 --> 00:49:20,480
that just got our whole family into it, and my mom into it, and now 30, 30 years

548
00:49:20,480 --> 00:49:26,780
later, she owns this beautiful business and has sacrificed literally everything to

549
00:49:26,780 --> 00:49:32,800
manage it. And I would say the only difference between everyone up here who loves it, and

550
00:49:32,800 --> 00:49:38,200
still so strongly about it, the difference between all of them and her is that she has truly

551
00:49:39,080 --> 00:49:45,300
given her all to it physically, mentally, emotionally to keep this business running. And

552
00:49:45,300 --> 00:49:52,200
is the only person who knows what it actually takes. The numbers, the everything that it actually

553
00:49:52,200 --> 00:49:57,760
takes to keep it up and running. And I said to her the other day, they'll only

554
00:49:57,760 --> 00:50:03,840
people who are upset. When you set a boundary and people be get upset with you,

555
00:50:04,000 --> 00:50:07,940
it's the people who are benefiting from you not having that boundary. And I would

556
00:50:07,940 --> 00:50:12,560
argue that the reason everyone is so upset is because she has given her all to

557
00:50:12,560 --> 00:50:22,180
keep this place, the amazing beautiful place that it is, and that it's not

558
00:50:22,180 --> 00:50:29,460
And if this was a city funded facility, and the city was paying for it, that would be a different story.

559
00:50:29,780 --> 00:50:33,140
It was compared to a pickleball court or a park, but it's not.

560
00:50:33,420 --> 00:50:37,700
It's her livelihood, and it's been her livelihood for the last 15 years.

561
00:50:38,500 --> 00:50:47,760
So I would consider everyone here to think of this as a different place coming from her daughter who has watched her mom have sleepless nights.

562
00:50:47,760 --> 00:50:55,660
have countless meetings with investors met with literally like dozens of people to try to keep

563
00:50:55,660 --> 00:50:59,740
this running and not been able to find an option to do so.

564
00:51:00,140 --> 00:51:04,680
So I would like to ask you to please consider to reason.

565
00:51:06,720 --> 00:51:07,260
Thank you.

566
00:51:19,700 --> 00:51:27,100
at Steve, I'm a caseville resident, living in West Kaysville, and I have a horse that's been

567
00:51:27,100 --> 00:51:34,540
boarded at Sunset at Questran for the last couple years. It was given less than 30 days

568
00:51:34,540 --> 00:51:40,960
to get my horse out of Sunset at Questran. I think the key thing here is nobody's trying

569
00:51:40,960 --> 00:51:48,580
to tell someone they have to continue running a business, right? The big key is it was bought as

570
00:51:48,580 --> 00:51:55,040
question center, why does that have to be sold as something else? Right? I happen to know many

571
00:51:55,040 --> 00:51:59,680
people that would continue to run it and purchase it from the landowner as in a quest

572
00:51:59,680 --> 00:52:05,000
rain center. We don't just get to decide when we want to sell property that we get a

573
00:52:05,000 --> 00:52:11,940
result in it, right? There was reasons there were things put in the plan of the development

574
00:52:13,020 --> 00:52:17,880
CCNRs that say this is in the quest rain center. Again, nobody's saying hey you need to keep

575
00:52:17,880 --> 00:52:23,720
running this to keep our horse here, but just like any business, if you want to get out of

576
00:52:23,720 --> 00:52:28,860
the business, you can sell the business as what it is. I would strongly urge that we

577
00:52:28,860 --> 00:52:29,780
to deny this reason.

578
00:52:30,000 --> 00:52:37,400
As there's a lot of interest in keeping this, the way it is, even the ownership has to change. Thanks.

579
00:52:38,120 --> 00:52:39,180
Thank you.

580
00:52:51,060 --> 00:52:51,640
Anyone else?

581
00:52:58,320 --> 00:53:03,620
So I'm Megan, I live in Sonset, Western United States. I actually just lived there like three weeks ago.

582
00:53:04,180 --> 00:53:07,260
I was supposed to board my horse at Sonset.

583
00:53:09,800 --> 00:53:17,400
So I'm incredibly shocked and disappointed by the staff recommendations to prove it because it goes against

584
00:53:17,400 --> 00:53:22,920
All the legal concerns that were brought up earlier, and it also goes against all of the residents

585
00:53:22,920 --> 00:53:33,240
opinions about the boarding facility, but also, I just want to say, I specifically chose

586
00:53:33,240 --> 00:53:39,180
to live here in Keyesville, and potentially retire because of the sunset, a questioning

587
00:53:39,180 --> 00:53:42,680
boarding facility, and because of the character of Keyesville.

588
00:53:42,680 --> 00:53:50,080
I looked all over Salt Lake City for a horse community or a horse friendly at least community with amenities

589
00:53:50,080 --> 00:54:00,580
and I saw the maps that were listed on your website that had horse trails, all of the agricultural center had horse events

590
00:54:00,580 --> 00:54:07,500
so this was really just a perfect spot, so for goal number six that was listed,

591
00:54:07,500 --> 00:54:36,740
Preservedly established character of CASEville, I moved here specifically for the character of CASEville and this sense of community that had in his value of forcemanship and it wasn't just catered to more wealthy people that could own horses on their own property, but for everyone so they had a big boarding facility to allow those of us who couldn't afford to buy horse properties to actually still enjoy the horse culture, right?

592
00:54:38,580 --> 00:54:49,180
But I feel like if we sell that in Arizona as an R16, which crams in 66, single-family residents,

593
00:54:49,400 --> 00:54:54,100
it's not just, oh, we're going to split the parcels into one-acre homes to match the rest of the community.

594
00:54:54,760 --> 00:54:59,840
That's cramming in potentially hundreds of people in a corner of the 90-hurt lot.

595
00:55:00,720 --> 00:55:03,840
That doesn't match, and that actually undermines goal six.

596
00:55:03,840 --> 00:55:07,240
So I don't know who's submitted Objective 6.1,

597
00:55:07,380 --> 00:55:09,800
continue the established focus on single-family residents,

598
00:55:10,880 --> 00:55:13,440
but the goal is to character a case bill.

599
00:55:14,200 --> 00:55:15,780
And as we explore the community,

600
00:55:16,000 --> 00:55:21,240
I don't want my son and his children to read on a sign,

601
00:55:21,420 --> 00:55:23,840
just like a pioneer part, which is great,

602
00:55:24,120 --> 00:55:26,620
about the history, the area that,

603
00:55:27,140 --> 00:55:31,300
hey, this community used to have actual real horses on it.

604
00:55:31,300 --> 00:55:39,900
And did you know key facts in life that humans used to have a good relationship with horses and even kids used to ride horses?

605
00:55:40,300 --> 00:55:46,540
Remember, I'm trying to bad the digital age of AI jobs and iPads and everything.

606
00:55:48,380 --> 00:55:53,220
And developed that emotional intelligence for my son and our entire community.

607
00:55:53,860 --> 00:55:59,900
So we can't lose our value of horses in our relationship with them.

608
00:55:59,900 --> 00:56:02,900
So I beg you please deny this. Thank you.

609
00:56:03,560 --> 00:56:04,300
Thank you.

610
00:56:10,250 --> 00:56:10,670
Anyone else?

611
00:56:17,220 --> 00:56:20,460
Okay, we will go ahead and close the public hearing section.

612
00:56:23,200 --> 00:56:26,640
We usually at this point will allow the applicant if you would like to make any statements

613
00:56:26,640 --> 00:56:27,600
Answer any questions.

614
00:56:28,600 --> 00:56:33,600
We may have some questions for you now or later or whatever, but any statement you'd like to make at this point.

615
00:56:33,600 --> 00:56:34,460
And

616
00:56:41,240 --> 00:56:46,400
not having guys look at my back because I have lots of different here.

617
00:56:51,720 --> 00:56:53,860
This is not weird, I almost feel like I died.

618
00:56:54,220 --> 00:56:59,160
And there's a huge tribute to you because it is a beautiful facility.

619
00:56:59,760 --> 00:57:00,280
It's amazing.

620
00:57:01,840 --> 00:57:04,260
Yeah, there's a reason I'm just going to sound so horrible,

621
00:57:04,460 --> 00:57:05,480
but I really like the music.

622
00:57:06,200 --> 00:57:06,680
It's

623
00:57:11,160 --> 00:57:13,020
appreciate everything you said.

624
00:57:14,140 --> 00:57:15,580
But there's a whole flip side.

625
00:57:16,040 --> 00:57:17,160
Do I like it?

626
00:57:17,160 --> 00:57:30,560
I just hope you can hear me, I hope you can hear me, and not just look at my, and I hope you guys can hear me, or at least I can speak it, and thank you for being here.

627
00:57:32,000 --> 00:57:32,440
And

628
00:57:37,720 --> 00:57:51,120
when I'm trying to make a decision in life, it's really hard for me if I don't understand the why, why am I doing this, or what's the outcome going to be, but the why, so I would really like to communicate to you.

629
00:57:51,120 --> 00:57:56,960
The why I'm here and have applied for this is a me or rezoning

630
00:57:59,260 --> 00:58:01,180
Like Danielle said

631
00:58:03,580 --> 00:58:11,820
Since I was a little girl I had a horse and bountiful and I'd write up on the and get in trouble and take my horse and walk it over on someone's grass and asked you their phones

632
00:58:11,820 --> 00:58:12,720
I was lost

633
00:58:12,720 --> 00:58:20,460
So I get it I get the whole community when Danielle started taking lessons and started, you know, go to school and

634
00:58:20,460 --> 00:58:28,120
not come home with a headache or anything and watch her flourish. I agree with all of that I do

635
00:58:29,120 --> 00:58:32,540
horses are magical and there's no better way to teach kids

636
00:58:34,040 --> 00:58:34,560
adult

637
00:58:36,160 --> 00:58:37,200
relationships and

638
00:58:37,200 --> 00:58:37,700
experiences

639
00:58:39,590 --> 00:58:46,530
When I watched Danielle, I knew I my main calling in life. I was thought was being a mom and I did that and it was wonderful

640
00:58:46,530 --> 00:58:51,270
But watching Danielle take lessons. It was very clear to me on my second calling in life was

641
00:58:51,770 --> 00:59:00,810
and that was to help others have what I dreamed of that I never had and that set me towards

642
00:59:00,810 --> 00:59:11,610
starting a lesson program that I kept for 20 years being private one on one because it was the

643
00:59:11,610 --> 00:59:18,530
only way that these primary girl, primarily girls could actually learn the lesson on the horse,

644
00:59:18,530 --> 00:59:20,050
not just how to write a worse.

645
00:59:20,830 --> 00:59:21,970
It was very important to me.

646
00:59:22,010 --> 00:59:24,590
It's been said that I just abruptly

647
00:59:25,570 --> 00:59:27,230
closed my lesson program.

648
00:59:28,630 --> 00:59:31,090
And one thing that has been a little bit

649
00:59:31,090 --> 00:59:34,130
just concerning to me is that I have yet

650
00:59:34,130 --> 00:59:40,400
to hear somebody mention my business side of life.

651
00:59:41,080 --> 00:59:42,300
I hear the warm fuzzies.

652
00:59:42,460 --> 00:59:43,420
I heard the wonderful things.

653
00:59:44,180 --> 00:59:48,160
But there is a dark side dog, and it's called business.

654
00:59:48,800 --> 00:59:56,760
And in my lesson program, like I said, I was up to 45, 50 kids, students were never an issue.

655
00:59:57,440 --> 00:59:58,160
They were never an issue.

656
00:59:58,320 --> 00:59:59,960
I had lovely students and lovely parents.

657
01:00:00,050 --> 01:00:15,430
The issue was horses, their expenses, teachers, and the absolute gut wrenching cloud that I'm over me that I was going to be responsible for some little girl getting hurt.

658
01:00:17,120 --> 01:00:22,880
As the years were by, in the last three years I spent $20,000 trying to find more less

659
01:00:22,880 --> 01:00:24,620
than horses they don't exist.

660
01:00:25,320 --> 01:00:30,180
Just like these people are saying, the less than horses don't exist, I would buy a horse.

661
01:00:30,960 --> 01:00:35,200
It would be not sold to me truthfully, a week later it was bucking me off or it couldn't

662
01:00:35,200 --> 01:00:35,600
walk.

663
01:00:36,280 --> 01:00:42,660
I go out by another horse and I buy another horse and I just couldn't provide safe horses

664
01:00:42,660 --> 01:00:44,080
and I wouldn't do it.

665
01:00:44,080 --> 01:00:50,780
I would not continue my program knowing that there was going to be a horse out there that has potential to hurt a little girl.

666
01:00:51,000 --> 01:00:52,080
I wouldn't do it.

667
01:00:53,000 --> 01:00:56,340
Finally, it was impossible for me to keep going.

668
01:00:56,940 --> 01:00:59,920
Now, my Danielle says I've had multiple nights of crying.

669
01:01:00,080 --> 01:01:04,220
Some of those nights crying was thinking about those 50 little girls.

670
01:01:04,600 --> 01:01:07,240
That number one, we're not going to be able to sit on the back of horse.

671
01:01:07,260 --> 01:01:13,060
But number two, we're never going to understand the difference between aggression and passive

672
01:01:13,060 --> 01:01:19,600
It learned a sort of my whole program was developed on that premise, but I could not keep it going.

673
01:01:20,200 --> 01:01:26,560
I tried. I was a limping for the last year. It took me a lot of time to finally wait on the hammer

674
01:01:26,560 --> 01:01:34,200
and say I can't do this anymore. I want to switch over to the Equestrian Center. Yes, it is a beautiful,

675
01:01:34,200 --> 01:01:44,060
beautiful place. Yes, I have worked 12 hours a day, five to six days a week for years on

676
01:01:44,060 --> 01:01:50,340
and for 15 years, and I did it gladly, but I have to admit there were times that I got my car

677
01:01:50,340 --> 01:01:57,500
and said, I can't do this anymore, keep going, keep going, there is an end to the means, and I'm here,

678
01:01:57,500 --> 01:01:59,260
I'm here.

679
01:02:01,340 --> 01:02:06,220
Jeff and I bought the facility opening, hoping the whole dream was to build an affordable

680
01:02:06,960 --> 01:02:17,120
family, friendly, safe, happy, barn. And we did. Along with that, we made it beautiful.

681
01:02:17,980 --> 01:02:25,140
And that, that cost, it cost a lot. My business no matter if somebody wants to sit here and tell me that I'm

682
01:02:25,140 --> 01:02:28,680
affordable, I'd love to go sit in my office with them.

683
01:02:29,080 --> 01:02:31,220
I have never been able to take a salary.

684
01:02:32,260 --> 01:02:34,340
I do not qualify for self-security,

685
01:02:35,140 --> 01:02:36,740
because I've never been able to take a salary.

686
01:02:37,820 --> 01:02:39,920
We are not profitable.

687
01:02:40,460 --> 01:02:43,840
When we were profitable, when we had before COVID,

688
01:02:43,860 --> 01:02:45,020
actually, I don't know what happened,

689
01:02:45,640 --> 01:02:47,220
we actually had enough courses in the barn

690
01:02:47,220 --> 01:02:49,080
that I was rolling over money,

691
01:02:49,100 --> 01:02:53,280
but it was getting right back in, right back in,

692
01:02:53,280 --> 01:02:57,580
profitable business is not what a question centers are.

693
01:02:59,490 --> 01:03:02,490
We could even kind of, we're running along, so I'm not going to,

694
01:03:02,590 --> 01:03:05,370
but we could even touch on the base of when Farmington,

695
01:03:05,570 --> 01:03:09,530
and Davis County decided to close down the fairgrounds.

696
01:03:10,690 --> 01:03:16,110
In 2020, there were 4,000 petition signs to not close

697
01:03:16,110 --> 01:03:19,870
at the facility. Yet, the government leader said,

698
01:03:19,870 --> 01:03:22,190
And this is bleeding, that's for high.

699
01:03:22,410 --> 01:03:23,190
We are bleeding.

700
01:03:23,590 --> 01:03:28,190
I'm million dollars a year, and the interest is not here anymore, so we're going to

701
01:03:28,190 --> 01:03:29,250
recreate it.

702
01:03:29,550 --> 01:03:32,750
Now, I'm not saying they did the wrong thing.

703
01:03:33,470 --> 01:03:37,750
I'm just saying someone listed, listen, somebody looked at the numbers and someone acted.

704
01:03:39,610 --> 01:03:41,450
And I'm telling you, I've looked at the numbers.

705
01:03:41,670 --> 01:03:45,390
There have been, I don't know where these, I'm not meaning this, sarcastically.

706
01:03:45,610 --> 01:03:49,850
I truly don't know where these people are that have been giving me offers or will

707
01:03:49,850 --> 01:03:57,690
by the facility. I've talked to three business owners and they've asked me about my overhead

708
01:03:57,690 --> 01:04:04,310
of my profit and I've got an interest and when I know my numbers I know monthly what I

709
01:04:04,310 --> 01:04:09,750
bring in and I know what goes out and when I tell them they're like whoa yeah whoa and then

710
01:04:09,750 --> 01:04:16,920
they ask me about what might happen to my property with the frenade road and I tell them they're like whoa

711
01:04:16,920 --> 01:04:24,520
you know, this is not feasible. So those are the discussions I've had. I have not received

712
01:04:24,520 --> 01:04:35,910
one written offer to buy the facility, not one. So I don't know, I don't know what the

713
01:04:35,910 --> 01:04:42,370
laughter is because either there's another CZ but I don't have written offers. So I'm not sure

714
01:04:42,370 --> 01:04:46,650
where that's coming from, but I'll sum up here.

715
01:04:49,910 --> 01:04:52,450
I could say, I could say so much, but it's been going on.

716
01:04:54,930 --> 01:04:56,710
So please listen to my daughter when I say,

717
01:04:57,070 --> 01:05:00,190
I have left everything on the met.

718
01:05:01,510 --> 01:05:04,270
I did put a 30 day notice out.

719
01:05:04,950 --> 01:05:06,750
There's a reason why there's a 30 day

720
01:05:06,750 --> 01:05:10,510
that has nothing to do with making people's lives miserable.

721
01:05:11,490 --> 01:05:14,170
In the business world, I can't let out more than 30 days.

722
01:05:14,170 --> 01:05:15,930
I wouldn't survive it.

723
01:05:16,510 --> 01:05:20,010
30 days, people say there's nowhere for these places to go,

724
01:05:20,190 --> 01:05:22,230
but there are barns just 10 minutes away.

725
01:05:23,730 --> 01:05:24,950
They're just not Susie's parents.

726
01:05:27,850 --> 01:05:29,910
So I'm here.

727
01:05:30,590 --> 01:05:33,930
I've gone through a lot of personal situations

728
01:05:33,930 --> 01:05:34,930
over the last year.

729
01:05:35,030 --> 01:05:36,730
I'm a single owner.

730
01:05:37,190 --> 01:05:38,590
I did give a 30 day notice.

731
01:05:38,950 --> 01:05:40,970
I am clothing down the facility.

732
01:05:42,150 --> 01:05:43,070
I have no wires.

733
01:05:43,070 --> 01:05:47,850
I have nothing left in it's not profitable.

734
01:05:48,250 --> 01:05:51,390
I've had to go get another job and that's okay.

735
01:05:54,490 --> 01:05:58,970
But I left it on, Matt, and I would ask you to please see me.

736
01:05:59,230 --> 01:06:03,650
I'm pleased to see the business side of this request from Senator.

737
01:06:04,950 --> 01:06:06,150
I grant me some reason.

738
01:06:06,810 --> 01:06:07,790
Thank you.

739
01:06:08,730 --> 01:06:09,430
Thank you.

740
01:06:16,500 --> 01:06:19,980
Let's see, I imagine maybe the next step is getting into

741
01:06:20,860 --> 01:06:24,640
Some of the legal issues, we have one of our legal representatives here from the CDN,

742
01:06:24,720 --> 01:06:30,200
I don't know if you have more insight, but I'm sure we have some questions there.

743
01:06:31,320 --> 01:06:33,060
I know we had an expert come in.

744
01:06:33,460 --> 01:06:39,340
This ten months ago was a planning commission meeting October, not October, August 28.

745
01:06:40,780 --> 01:06:42,260
And we could talk to that a little bit.

746
01:06:42,260 --> 01:06:51,380
But we recognize that there could be claims that are made regarding this application, and we just don't really know how a judge would rule.

747
01:06:51,920 --> 01:06:57,400
City attorneys are generalists and not specialists, so we did ask a loud new specialist to look at all the documents.

748
01:06:58,140 --> 01:07:04,000
And it was his opinion that there's no legally binding requirement that it remain in a classroom and center.

749
01:07:04,200 --> 01:07:10,920
So that's what we've been going off of, but again, we don't know for sure how a judge would rule on that.

750
01:07:12,260 --> 01:07:23,520
If I can, Mr. Chair, I just, I've pulled up that from the minutes because I was curious about that as well, figuring that the legal issue was obviously going to be one here.

751
01:07:24,240 --> 01:07:29,980
What is said in the minutes was Mr. Bateman explained that it reviewed 13 documents including development agreements and amendments platform.

752
01:07:30,000 --> 01:07:37,840
Some multiple versions of the CC&Rs, noted that many of these documents contain statements of intent regarding the Equestrian

753
01:07:37,840 --> 01:07:46,840
Center's use and management, but those statements were often contradictory and more importantly, were never formalized into a binding legal action.

754
01:07:47,760 --> 01:07:51,840
For example, although some plats labeled the property as a Equestrian Center,

755
01:07:51,840 --> 01:08:00,220
Not included the statutory dedication language necessary to designate the area as common area or permanent open space.

756
01:08:03,520 --> 01:08:16,080
You know, I don't want to cast blame. I don't intend to cast blame, but what really sounds like to me was that at the time that the development was approved and generally have those various documents that are provided and recorded.

757
01:08:17,820 --> 01:08:22,280
And at least as far as the city was concerned, there was nothing that was ever finally

758
01:08:22,920 --> 01:08:25,360
consummated or the language that was put there.

759
01:08:26,080 --> 01:08:30,440
I'm not really sure what the intent of the development agreement was if it didn't put

760
01:08:30,440 --> 01:08:36,820
this in statutory legal language, maybe somebody just missed the step or didn't do it properly

761
01:08:36,820 --> 01:08:41,080
or something, but the bottom line is that if something like this were to go to the courts

762
01:08:41,080 --> 01:08:44,640
right now, I think the courts would say, it's not legally binding.

763
01:08:46,460 --> 01:08:57,620
That isn't to say that wasn't the intent of the city but for a property owner, property owner would say there's no legal requirement here that I have to do this.

764
01:08:58,640 --> 01:09:07,840
And I just want to raise that and kind of clear that up because we've had plenty of statements here made tonight saying this is binding, this has to be a complied with.

765
01:09:07,840 --> 01:09:11,260
First of all, the city has no role in CCNRs.

766
01:09:11,340 --> 01:09:14,940
That's an agreement between the property owners

767
01:09:16,040 --> 01:09:18,780
and whatever an individual property owner

768
01:09:18,780 --> 01:09:21,440
within that subdivision or that area does.

769
01:09:22,280 --> 01:09:25,360
The other property owners can take legal action

770
01:09:25,360 --> 01:09:27,680
or take whatever actions that they may deem to enforce

771
01:09:27,680 --> 01:09:29,460
what they feel like are the CCNRs.

772
01:09:29,480 --> 01:09:34,400
But the city generally has no role in those CCNRs.

773
01:09:34,460 --> 01:09:36,280
And whatever may have been in the development agreement,

774
01:09:36,280 --> 01:09:40,680
this independent legal counsel says there was nothing legally binding there?

775
01:09:42,990 --> 01:09:47,710
Yeah, I also took a, I watched it twice just a few hours ago that his, his

776
01:09:47,710 --> 01:09:50,450
statements took some notes and also read the minutes.

777
01:09:51,370 --> 01:09:57,310
And I can concur that's what he, he did say, it's a privately owned piece of property that,

778
01:09:57,330 --> 01:10:04,610
is within the HOA, but it's not, not subject to the control of the citizens of the HOA,

779
01:10:04,610 --> 01:10:07,370
and it has no obligation to remain an equestrian center.

780
01:10:10,950 --> 01:10:13,610
And is that our understanding that,

781
01:10:13,650 --> 01:10:16,110
like I guess, I mean, people have talked about

782
01:10:16,110 --> 01:10:18,050
a development agreement, but if the development agreement

783
01:10:18,050 --> 01:10:20,050
does not have those statements,

784
01:10:20,370 --> 01:10:24,030
is that seems to be kind of the conclusion there.

785
01:10:26,810 --> 01:10:29,190
That is to say that the individual property owners,

786
01:10:29,450 --> 01:10:32,750
there couldn't take some action against the equestrian center

787
01:10:32,750 --> 01:10:39,790
to say, look, the HOA, the CCNR, say this, and therefore you're obligated to comply with this.

788
01:10:39,790 --> 01:10:45,170
But that would be a private action that wouldn't be something the city would be subject to or involved with.

789
01:10:55,540 --> 01:10:58,260
Mr. Chair, I have a couple of questions for the applicant.

790
01:10:58,980 --> 01:10:59,680
If, yeah, let's move in.

791
01:10:59,680 --> 01:11:00,480
That would be appropriate.

792
01:11:02,060 --> 01:11:03,740
Ms. Hanson, I'm just curious.

793
01:11:05,260 --> 01:11:10,080
So you're looking, obviously, with the Equestrian Center, as you have said,

794
01:11:10,080 --> 01:11:15,500
it's not financially viable, so you're looking at doing something else with the property.

795
01:11:17,020 --> 01:11:21,300
Generally, when we have people come in for reasons, they present a plan of what they

796
01:11:21,300 --> 01:11:27,280
intend to do with the property. Staff has said that there's no such plan. Have you got a

797
01:11:27,280 --> 01:11:31,000
concept? Have you got any ideas on what you intend to do with this property if the

798
01:11:31,000 --> 01:11:32,460
his own is a crew?

799
01:11:33,800 --> 01:11:40,220
I attend. I do in one step at a time here. I attend to have the

800
01:11:40,220 --> 01:11:47,020
rezoning done and then see which direction is going to be the best for me

801
01:11:47,020 --> 01:11:52,000
moving forward in my life and what's going on. I mean, that's

802
01:11:52,000 --> 01:11:55,120
barring that it becomes a homeless shelter.

803
01:11:56,060 --> 01:12:00,060
But no, I don't have any. I have nothing moving forward.

804
01:12:00,060 --> 01:12:06,840
other than obviously if I get zoning and a developer comes along and wants to develop a beautiful

805
01:12:06,840 --> 01:12:14,860
place and wants to buy my land, then that works. The thing is, is it right now where I'm sitting?

806
01:12:20,140 --> 01:12:26,340
I cannot be forced to run a business that's not profitable. So why did you, why are you choosing

807
01:12:26,340 --> 01:12:31,400
are one sixth zone, say some of the other zones, especially other zones that are in the area,

808
01:12:31,460 --> 01:12:32,000
existing.

809
01:12:32,740 --> 01:12:33,180
Well,

810
01:12:37,680 --> 01:12:43,500
I know that there, you need, you have to have room to negotiate, right?

811
01:12:43,560 --> 01:12:45,800
It's got to be a win-win for the city and for me.

812
01:12:46,380 --> 01:12:53,120
And I know there's a lot of flexibility there from the R6, although it happens to the A5,

813
01:12:53,120 --> 01:12:59,420
There's lots of win-win and all of that, but it's discussions to be had later.

814
01:13:00,560 --> 01:13:05,300
So I will tell you, I mean there's nothing that would prevent, there's nothing, this

815
01:13:05,300 --> 01:13:13,340
is a property owner cannot apply for a reason, just apply without any kind of a plan.

816
01:13:13,560 --> 01:13:19,140
And in fact, years ago, that is pretty typically what happened a lot of times is that a property

817
01:13:19,140 --> 01:13:24,320
owner would just apply for a reason with the understanding by the city and others that whatever

818
01:13:24,320 --> 01:13:29,480
was allowed in that zone could possibly happen on that property, but things have evolved over

819
01:13:29,480 --> 01:13:37,780
the years and now cities, this city and many other most other cities are reluctant to grant

820
01:13:37,780 --> 01:13:42,920
any kind of a reason without some kind of an indication of what the owner intends to do with

821
01:13:42,920 --> 01:13:47,200
property. And so, and generally, oftentimes now,

822
01:13:47,220 --> 01:13:50,720
Resonance come with a development agreement, saying,

823
01:13:51,020 --> 01:13:54,400
the city will reason it with an agreement that you're going to

824
01:13:54,400 --> 01:13:58,420
develop it in this way. And so, without that, I think you're,

825
01:13:58,420 --> 01:14:02,280
at least on my part, I'm going to be kind of reluctant to agree to a

826
01:14:02,280 --> 01:14:05,960
reason without seeing some kind of a proposal for development and

827
01:14:05,960 --> 01:14:12,900
something that the city can hang its hat on and do some kind of

828
01:14:12,900 --> 01:14:19,740
So I don't live here in K-Sville, but I am a mom and I've raised family in beautiful neighborhoods

829
01:14:20,400 --> 01:14:25,740
and I would have zero intention, zero, I don't know what it will look like, but I have

830
01:14:25,740 --> 01:14:32,800
zero intention on doing anything that I have not already done, and that is make whatever

831
01:14:32,800 --> 01:14:37,120
just I'm doing beautiful, I don't know how to do it any other way.

832
01:14:44,480 --> 01:14:46,400
That's all I've got, Mr. Chair.

833
01:14:47,420 --> 01:14:48,820
Yeah, we appreciate your answers.

834
01:14:52,990 --> 01:14:55,450
Yeah, I would echo his comments.

835
01:14:57,110 --> 01:14:59,290
Even if you were asking for, I think.

836
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:17,780
A zone that had larger lots that are closer to the stuff around. We're still going to be very cautious, not having a zone, especially with some of the circumstances I think in this piece of property, the fact that it is down at the end of a neighborhood.

837
01:15:18,260 --> 01:15:22,420
And currently, the only access is all the way through the neighborhood.

838
01:15:24,640 --> 01:15:28,020
We all know that there's going to be some of that property that's going to end up being

839
01:15:28,020 --> 01:15:32,340
part of the Angel Street extension or impacted by it.

840
01:15:32,780 --> 01:15:34,080
And so that's an unknown.

841
01:15:36,380 --> 01:15:39,420
When I would second that, that's an unknown.

842
01:15:41,680 --> 01:15:46,640
And it does kind of sometimes put things a little bit backwards because you have to lay out

843
01:15:46,640 --> 01:15:51,740
capital sometimes to put that plan together, and you don't even know if it's going to be

844
01:15:51,740 --> 01:15:59,520
approved or not, and I get that that's very difficult to want to put an investment into

845
01:15:59,520 --> 01:16:02,640
that when there's that chance that it may not be approved.

846
01:16:03,380 --> 01:16:09,300
I guess I wanted something I wanted to say earlier, and I don't say this with aggression or anything,

847
01:16:09,440 --> 01:16:16,620
I just wanted to make sure that everyone in this room knows that I am not under contract with

848
01:16:16,620 --> 01:16:19,340
any individual or any developer.

849
01:16:20,760 --> 01:16:23,520
I have great relationships with the developers around me,

850
01:16:23,660 --> 01:16:24,840
but I am not under contract.

851
01:16:26,100 --> 01:16:30,440
And I'm not in negotiations with a developer

852
01:16:30,440 --> 01:16:33,320
or an individual person at this time.

853
01:16:33,920 --> 01:16:34,940
So I just want to make that clear.

854
01:16:35,000 --> 01:16:35,780
Yeah, I appreciate that.

855
01:16:35,820 --> 01:16:40,920
I think that's something we might have asked, yeah.

856
01:16:40,920 --> 01:16:53,240
Um, but, um, yeah, so I just, I guess expressing some of my, um, the cautiousness, you know,

857
01:16:53,500 --> 01:16:59,000
where we support the idea that this is your property and, um, property owners, you know,

858
01:16:59,240 --> 01:17:03,640
we're always trying to balance property owners being able to do what they want and the interests

859
01:17:03,640 --> 01:17:05,460
of the city and what comes with zoning.

860
01:17:05,800 --> 01:17:07,680
I think I might be out of my circle here.

861
01:17:07,680 --> 01:17:11,820
I think asking me these questions is like me asking you how to settle the course.

862
01:17:12,000 --> 01:17:14,900
It'd be okay if I asked Zach to come up.

863
01:17:15,160 --> 01:17:16,320
Well, you can, absolutely.

864
01:17:16,700 --> 01:17:18,920
And you don't have to answer any of these specifics.

865
01:17:19,120 --> 01:17:21,680
I'm more trying to express some of the...

866
01:17:22,880 --> 01:17:24,280
The reason we're going to...

867
01:17:24,280 --> 01:17:26,880
I might be a little cautious in recommending approval.

868
01:17:30,000 --> 01:17:34,260
You know, the fact that being at the end of the neighborhood,

869
01:17:35,180 --> 01:17:35,940
some of that kind of thing.

870
01:17:36,520 --> 01:17:36,560
So...

871
01:17:36,560 --> 01:17:38,320
Again, can I just have that for a second?

872
01:17:38,320 --> 01:17:42,440
Absolutely. And you may not have any answers right now, that's fine.

873
01:17:44,880 --> 01:17:46,320
My name is Zach Harmouth Landabies.

874
01:17:46,580 --> 01:17:47,940
I apologize for the dress.

875
01:17:48,320 --> 01:17:49,680
Susie asked me to come last a minute.

876
01:17:50,060 --> 01:17:51,980
And early on when we started this,

877
01:17:52,520 --> 01:17:55,180
I got a call, one of my other land owners runs across the ranch.

878
01:17:55,660 --> 01:17:57,140
And so we were trying to, and she said,

879
01:17:57,180 --> 01:17:58,500
Hey, my friend Susie's in trouble.

880
01:17:59,540 --> 01:18:02,300
I just watched some stuff that was in some of the public meetings.

881
01:18:02,520 --> 01:18:03,940
And she's worried, and she's got this.

882
01:18:03,980 --> 01:18:05,720
And I was like, okay, we'll let me look at it.

883
01:18:05,720 --> 01:18:10,380
And I did like a 30-minute review of going through the documents and I was like, man, this

884
01:18:10,380 --> 01:18:15,820
feels a little rough for, you know, a civilian that is in the real estate world to kind

885
01:18:15,820 --> 01:18:20,640
of have all these people kind of gunned for, and I would say, you know, kind of like making

886
01:18:20,640 --> 01:18:22,940
claims when, you know, and I was coming in late.

887
01:18:23,240 --> 01:18:27,400
And so I said, hey, so as you just make application, because there's going to be a meeting

888
01:18:27,400 --> 01:18:30,340
about the roadway that there's going to be a meeting about this, just make application for

889
01:18:30,340 --> 01:18:30,720
a zoning.

890
01:18:31,340 --> 01:18:34,940
And make something that's really friendly to the neighborhood that isn't like superdense,

891
01:18:34,940 --> 01:18:40,000
something that matches the general plan, and it was kind of done in like a

892
01:18:40,000 --> 01:18:44,900
two hour one that she did on her own, and it was great. And so I'm kind of

893
01:18:44,900 --> 01:18:49,240
coming in late, but I think the idea is, you know, you would hope to have a

894
01:18:49,240 --> 01:18:53,160
development agreement, you'd hope to have a plan, but I think Susie wanted to

895
01:18:53,160 --> 01:18:56,920
have her hands on this so that didn't spin out into something that wasn't

896
01:18:56,920 --> 01:19:00,680
something she'd approved of, right? And so I just volunteered to help, so to

897
01:19:00,680 --> 01:19:03,900
answer your question, you know, I think we would like to go through with

898
01:19:03,900 --> 01:19:08,960
reason. My guess is the city council will want to have a binding document that's going to

899
01:19:08,960 --> 01:19:14,080
address the other issues. And we were just kind of caught in the timeline. And there

900
01:19:14,080 --> 01:19:18,040
was multiple resolutions and it felt like it actually felt like the city was working against

901
01:19:18,040 --> 01:19:23,820
us from a quick review of all the documents and public notes and felt rough. And so I just

902
01:19:23,820 --> 01:19:30,580
kind of came in as a helper here. But do this on a consistent basis. That's helpful or not.

903
01:19:30,580 --> 01:19:36,640
So, I think we want to clarify on a few items and we've heard a lot of rumors and we've

904
01:19:36,640 --> 01:19:41,380
seen a lot of interesting comments and so the cleanup of all the details I think is the

905
01:19:41,380 --> 01:19:42,680
most important part.

906
01:19:43,400 --> 01:19:43,780
Thank you.

907
01:19:52,670 --> 01:19:55,650
I guess any other questions for our applicant?

908
01:19:59,650 --> 01:20:00,130
Thank you, Brad.

909
01:20:00,970 --> 01:20:01,250
I do.

910
01:20:01,430 --> 01:20:02,930
I have a question for you.

911
01:20:03,190 --> 01:20:03,950
Excuse me.

912
01:20:05,110 --> 01:20:09,550
If you were to receive funding, what would the decision be?

913
01:20:09,550 --> 01:20:11,770
Would you decide to move forward with the reason?

914
01:20:12,410 --> 01:20:14,830
Would you decide to keep the property maintained in the property?

915
01:20:15,530 --> 01:20:16,830
It's not that I didn't know it was you.

916
01:20:17,790 --> 01:20:18,490
It's not.

917
01:20:19,090 --> 01:20:22,630
And it's not a question that you have to ask or answer it.

918
01:20:22,690 --> 01:20:24,250
Yeah, I'll defer that one.

919
01:20:25,290 --> 01:20:25,530
Okay.

920
01:20:25,530 --> 01:20:25,970
Thank you.

921
01:20:31,610 --> 01:20:32,090
Okay.

922
01:20:32,390 --> 01:20:34,210
We'll let you sit down and...

923
01:20:40,260 --> 01:20:40,980
Thoughts?

924
01:20:41,080 --> 01:20:41,600
Other thoughts?

925
01:20:42,220 --> 01:20:49,400
Mr. Chair, on my part, as I kind of expressed in my questions and comments, I'm reluctant

926
01:20:49,400 --> 01:20:56,140
to recommend the reason, where I don't see a more definitive plan of what is proposed.

927
01:20:57,060 --> 01:21:03,400
That's pretty much what we get on most reasons now, and it's usually incorporated into

928
01:21:03,400 --> 01:21:05,800
a development agreement that accompanies the reason,

929
01:21:07,820 --> 01:21:10,060
and you're talking about an area here

930
01:21:10,060 --> 01:21:19,380
where there's fairly large lots, and the reason I'll ask is for our one six, which would

931
01:21:20,260 --> 01:21:32,740
It's a lot of that size, because I do think that you can make homes and lots of that size fit into a neighborhood or they can be accommodated, especially when they're not right in the middle of the neighborhood.

932
01:21:32,780 --> 01:21:35,300
This would be more on the fringe and a long road.

933
01:21:36,240 --> 01:21:43,820
But until and until and unless I see a plan, I'm reluctant to just grant a blanket reason without any further assurance.

934
01:21:44,220 --> 01:21:45,120
That's feeling.

935
01:21:46,620 --> 01:21:49,900
I would say, just a couple of comments,

936
01:21:54,280 --> 01:22:02,220
I understand, you know, kind of our legal standing what we feel is, you know, maybe not legally binding.

937
01:22:03,640 --> 01:22:15,460
I guess that doesn't necessarily mean that we can't, well, to rezone is still, you know, in our prerogative to make that decision.

938
01:22:15,460 --> 01:22:22,560
and it doesn't mean we couldn't, it just seems to me like there's an awful lot of people

939
01:22:22,560 --> 01:22:27,780
who understood that there is a development agreement, there's an awful lot of trust placed

940
01:22:27,780 --> 01:22:29,240
in this.

941
01:22:30,370 --> 01:22:46,950
I don't know, ambiguous development agreement that legally we're not bound to, but perhaps we might still choose to uphold, or at least, you know, preserve space for that to just remain.

942
01:22:46,950 --> 01:22:52,930
kind of blame on the critical of the thing and I understand what I understand that and I

943
01:22:52,930 --> 01:22:53,990
I've wrestled with that as well.

944
01:22:53,990 --> 01:22:59,790
There's a lot of people who've made financial and other life decisions based on this

945
01:22:59,790 --> 01:23:07,010
supposed development agreement that I think would be something to consider and I'd also

946
01:23:07,010 --> 01:23:14,770
consider, you know, I typically like to look for places for some density.

947
01:23:15,710 --> 01:23:41,350
I'm really not usually offended by pockets of density, but in this situation I think it would be kind of a loss to the city for a resource that is, you know, kind of going away that's maybe dying a little bit to preserve some pocket of that agriculture and a community.

948
01:23:41,350 --> 01:23:47,170
any time that something is, you know, really blessing and benefiting the community and coming

949
01:23:47,170 --> 01:23:55,410
together, I think that would give me pause to reason for that, respectfully, you know,

950
01:23:56,010 --> 01:24:06,070
see, you know, your need and consider that as well, but I would hope for another resource

951
01:24:06,070 --> 01:24:07,870
other than maybe the resone.

952
01:24:15,350 --> 01:24:19,150
We've had a lot of individuals come before this committee, right?

953
01:24:20,130 --> 01:24:23,290
We've had a lot of resones and a lot of applications come before this committee,

954
01:24:23,510 --> 01:24:27,430
and one of the things that we do look for is some sort of land development plan, right?

955
01:24:28,010 --> 01:24:32,470
And even with major land developers, right, big-name land developers have come before this committee

956
01:24:32,470 --> 01:24:33,870
that presented a plan.

957
01:24:35,170 --> 01:24:40,550
If that plan is not up to par, we've typically decided to go against that plan, right?

958
01:24:40,550 --> 01:24:46,830
So, for instance, if there's certain areas where you know are one-six is the designation for the zone,

959
01:24:47,570 --> 01:24:56,410
and the zone in that area, or the zone pertaining to that area, typically just isn't a match as somewhat interplicable, right?

960
01:24:56,810 --> 01:25:05,290
Like, when Elizabeth came to this podium and she talked about the schools, the water, the emergency services access, right?

961
01:25:06,350 --> 01:25:13,210
road issues, those are the same issues that we look at when we think about granting that zoning application.

962
01:25:14,310 --> 01:25:17,570
And so I'm more on the side of the commissioners here.

963
01:25:18,030 --> 01:25:23,510
If there's not a plan and place to kind of tell us what direction the property is going to go in,

964
01:25:23,710 --> 01:25:25,370
kind of lean in toward the other side.

965
01:25:26,010 --> 01:25:30,550
Now, I will say this from a business perspective that I'm really big on business.

966
01:25:30,550 --> 01:25:36,970
I also understand if the business is not doing well, right, and I hate to force your hand.

967
01:25:37,330 --> 01:25:38,430
I hate to do that.

968
01:25:39,150 --> 01:25:41,030
I just want to throw that out there.

969
01:25:44,470 --> 01:25:47,510
Chairman, maybe a couple of thoughts here.

970
01:25:49,310 --> 01:25:52,690
First, I understand challenges of business ownership.

971
01:25:52,990 --> 01:25:53,400
I get that.

972
01:25:54,250 --> 01:26:00,150
I also get the passion and the feel of the community and their attachment to the Equestrian Center.

973
01:26:00,150 --> 01:26:06,190
But for me, I view our job as, you know, we don't, we don't govern business, we govern

974
01:26:06,190 --> 01:26:06,930
land use.

975
01:26:07,650 --> 01:26:14,090
And for me, this is simply a, I have to separate the emotion from the land use questions.

976
01:26:14,350 --> 01:26:15,650
That's what we're here for.

977
01:26:16,550 --> 01:26:23,030
I think there's some ambiguity around the enforcement of the previous development agreement.

978
01:26:23,170 --> 01:26:24,510
It makes me a little uncomfortable.

979
01:26:24,510 --> 01:26:32,570
whether or not it's binding, I think that was the developers, the communities, the commissions,

980
01:26:32,870 --> 01:26:39,270
and the council's intent at the time of the development of Sunset Equestrian in the States,

981
01:26:39,510 --> 01:26:46,970
was to preserve that. You know, ideally as an equestrian center, but if not, at a minimum of open space.

982
01:26:47,690 --> 01:26:54,710
So for me that's kind of where I am, I never want to prescribe to a landowner how they can

983
01:26:54,710 --> 01:26:59,010
or cannot use their land, that's not largely what we do.

984
01:26:59,850 --> 01:27:05,710
If it was to come in for a reason, which I'm not saying I would necessarily support a level

985
01:27:05,710 --> 01:27:10,630
of density, I think the density needs to match what is already in the area.

986
01:27:10,630 --> 01:27:14,110
I always try to avoid, you know, spot zoning.

987
01:27:15,770 --> 01:27:19,490
We ask the applicant why, you know, you guys see us looking down at this drink.

988
01:27:19,490 --> 01:27:21,710
He's a paper, you're probably wondering what it is.

989
01:27:22,170 --> 01:27:25,410
This is all the zoning options for K'sville.

990
01:27:25,930 --> 01:27:31,650
Out of all these zoning options, R16 is probably in my personal opinion

991
01:27:31,650 --> 01:27:34,470
and inappropriate zoning request for this area.

992
01:27:36,430 --> 01:27:39,010
You know, if it's one acre lots, if it's half acre lots,

993
01:27:39,010 --> 01:27:42,510
to preserve the character and fill of the community,

994
01:27:42,770 --> 01:27:45,490
which I think is one of our most important

995
01:27:45,490 --> 01:27:47,350
and most challenging roles.

996
01:27:48,410 --> 01:27:50,870
This reason is far from that.

997
01:28:03,080 --> 01:28:06,220
Yeah, some of just, I'll repeat myself a little bit.

998
01:28:09,100 --> 01:28:12,360
I love the way K's will looks.

999
01:28:12,820 --> 01:28:14,600
I love the way K's will used to look.

1000
01:28:15,040 --> 01:28:17,060
I know it's going to look different in the future.

1001
01:28:19,950 --> 01:28:29,690
And I love that there are people who own horses here and there are properties that will stay as fields for at least the rest of my life.

1002
01:28:29,850 --> 01:28:34,090
But I've also seen a lot of acres of that disappear.

1003
01:28:38,850 --> 01:28:49,390
I feel like we the city does not have the right to deny two to force you to perform any kind of business to maintain a business.

1004
01:28:49,390 --> 01:28:55,670
We had a grocery store here years ago, and when it left, we didn't say, well, it has to be a grocery

1005
01:28:55,670 --> 01:28:59,990
store, because we wanted to be a grocery store, you know, it's capitalism, that the people

1006
01:28:59,990 --> 01:29:03,210
who own the property said it's going to work better out as this.

1007
01:29:04,030 --> 01:29:04,930
Now, that's just one example,

1008
01:29:08,380 --> 01:29:13,020
but from my understanding, from Mr. Bateman's statements in August,

1009
01:29:15,040 --> 01:29:21,480
If we were to go to court, but the city has no ability, and I also don't feel that we

1010
01:29:21,480 --> 01:29:27,630
have the ability to keep it as, you have to be careful with some of the terms, you know,

1011
01:29:27,630 --> 01:29:30,090
to say, open space, you know, what does that, what does that even mean?

1012
01:29:30,570 --> 01:29:35,430
Because you get to a point where you say, all of the farms, all the fields are disappearing,

1013
01:29:35,610 --> 01:29:41,450
so therefore we need to do something, and you're basically out of saying, the last person

1014
01:29:41,450 --> 01:29:48,020
cash in loses. Everybody else made some money off of their fields and it became large neighborhoods and

1015
01:29:48,930 --> 01:29:53,730
But you were you were last and so we want to feel that we need to keep one field so I'm sorry

1016
01:29:53,730 --> 01:29:57,800
You can't sell this for what the market would would pay and

1017
01:29:59,190 --> 01:29:59,970
That makes me

1018
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:00,740
Uncomfortable.

1019
01:30:04,000 --> 01:30:29,160
We do look at things like emergency and water and schools and things like that. Schools in this side of K'sville are currently under, they're not full and they are declining in numbers right now. That's not a worry. Water is not a worry. The city always looks at that kind of stuff. Those are not going into my thoughts here and making the decision.

1020
01:30:33,140 --> 01:30:44,360
The concerns I have are, you know, those same issues, the fact that it has right now only one entrance to this piece of property, and it's at the bottom of a large neighborhood.

1021
01:30:47,020 --> 01:30:59,840
The fact that some of it's going to change as a road is built, that nearby properties are going to also be developed soon, and not having a plan to put together.

1022
01:30:59,840 --> 01:31:05,660
And so the density, yeah, it's different than the area around it.

1023
01:31:06,060 --> 01:31:09,380
You can have different densities next to each other.

1024
01:31:09,380 --> 01:31:11,940
My example for that would be everywhere,

1025
01:31:12,580 --> 01:31:16,840
because everywhere has an edge and changes.

1026
01:31:18,060 --> 01:31:19,680
We have R16 in the city.

1027
01:31:21,380 --> 01:31:27,620
It's not a ghetto, but it's also among the more dense areas

1028
01:31:27,620 --> 01:31:28,520
of our city.

1029
01:31:32,060 --> 01:31:35,680
I don't feel it inappropriate to be in the city, but without knowing details and

1030
01:31:35,680 --> 01:31:42,780
having a plan, I wouldn't just kind of blank it, resell in an area to be that, especially

1031
01:31:42,780 --> 01:31:43,840
with those other circumstances.

1032
01:31:45,920 --> 01:31:48,620
So, despite the fact that it's still, you know, single-family

1033
01:31:48,620 --> 01:31:56,900
dwelling, which is what the general plan calls for. I'm also would be very reluctant to

1034
01:31:59,350 --> 01:32:00,030
I

1035
01:32:02,750 --> 01:32:09,750
just have a comment, I just want to recognize what a wonderful contribution you have done to this community.

1036
01:32:10,550 --> 01:32:15,490
There wouldn't be here for this if you hadn't done this.

1037
01:32:16,510 --> 01:32:19,370
So thank you for your contribution on that.

1038
01:32:20,410 --> 01:32:25,010
And I recognize you are struggle on this as well.

1039
01:32:25,010 --> 01:32:30,230
personally, physically, financially, so I appreciate everything that you have done on this.

1040
01:32:31,650 --> 01:32:34,270
It is a bit of a jump to go right to the

1041
01:32:34,270 --> 01:32:40,610
reason without considering some other things, and it's hard as that is for me to say,

1042
01:32:41,130 --> 01:32:42,790
because I fill in it.

1043
01:32:44,930 --> 01:32:47,350
I'm still on the same opinion as the council.

1044
01:32:49,480 --> 01:32:50,340
Thank you for everything.

1045
01:32:56,810 --> 01:32:57,450
Ready for motion?

1046
01:33:00,530 --> 01:33:03,430
Okay. I think we've probably heard everyone's comments and

1047
01:33:03,430 --> 01:33:15,950
So, all right, on item four public hearing, for a reason request for property at 820 Mayor's circle, I recommend, I'm motion that we make a recommendation to the City Council to deny the reason.

1048
01:33:21,070 --> 01:33:22,050
Do we have a second?

1049
01:33:24,800 --> 01:33:25,820
Any discussion on the motion?

1050
01:33:28,710 --> 01:33:31,030
Okay, we will start building with Commissioner Moore.

1051
01:33:31,930 --> 01:33:33,890
So I'm voting for the denial.

1052
01:33:34,950 --> 01:33:35,610
Is that correct? Yes.

1053
01:33:35,970 --> 01:33:36,210
Aye.

1054
01:33:37,270 --> 01:33:37,470
Aye.

1055
01:33:38,850 --> 01:33:38,990
Aye.

1056
01:33:39,590 --> 01:33:39,770
Aye.

1057
01:33:39,770 --> 01:34:04,510
I, and I'd like to explain my vote, I feel like that this is a pretty dramatic change from the existing zoning in the area, and thus I'm somewhat reluctant to consider it, but I would be, you know, I could be persuaded, given a plan, but there is no plan. So therefore, I am in support of a motion to deny.

1058
01:34:07,490 --> 01:34:09,590
All right, that motion passes.

1059
01:34:10,970 --> 01:34:13,670
This will go forward to the city council.

1060
01:34:14,710 --> 01:34:17,450
It always gets a little tricky in July with holidays and things like that.

1061
01:34:17,690 --> 01:34:20,110
So I don't know exactly when it will hit that agenda.

1062
01:34:25,480 --> 01:34:29,500
All right, we have an item or two to go if you're going to leave that is fine,

1063
01:34:29,800 --> 01:34:32,820
but we ask the take any conversations you have out into the hall.

1064
01:34:32,940 --> 01:34:34,200
Can I just make one quick comment?

1065
01:34:34,280 --> 01:34:37,620
Just to remind everyone that we just made a recommendation.

1066
01:34:37,620 --> 01:34:44,440
It's up to the city council. So if you feel passionate about this, I would encourage you to again visit that council meeting.

1067
01:34:44,900 --> 01:34:45,000
Yeah.

1068
01:34:45,720 --> 01:34:46,040
Excellent.

1069
01:34:46,880 --> 01:34:47,400
That's great.

1070
01:34:51,390 --> 01:34:54,530
Approval of minutes from the June 11th, 2026 Plenty Commission meeting.

1071
01:34:54,950 --> 01:34:54,950
Can

1072
01:35:02,340 --> 01:35:03,260
I make a motion?

1073
01:35:03,400 --> 01:35:03,980
Yes, please.

1074
01:35:05,420 --> 01:35:06,960
I recommend the motion to approve that.

1075
01:35:10,020 --> 01:35:12,100
Okay. We have a motion to approve the minutes.

1076
01:35:13,620 --> 01:35:15,180
Sorry, Ms. Not who made the motion?

1077
01:35:15,180 --> 01:35:17,820
Do we

1078
01:35:21,440 --> 01:35:22,680
have a second?

1079
01:35:26,400 --> 01:35:26,940
All in favor?

1080
01:35:27,780 --> 01:35:27,940
Aye.

1081
01:35:28,640 --> 01:35:29,200
Any pose?

1082
01:35:30,720 --> 01:35:31,380
Anyone abstaining?

1083
01:35:33,020 --> 01:35:33,180
Okay.

1084
01:35:35,200 --> 01:35:35,780
Other matters.

1085
01:35:38,180 --> 01:35:39,680
Not a whole lot to report.

1086
01:35:40,060 --> 01:35:41,820
We did get a reason.

1087
01:35:41,820 --> 01:35:46,480
We zone application just last week from simply homes.

1088
01:35:47,140 --> 01:35:52,260
to reason that Eastern side of 550 to R1-14,

1089
01:35:54,620 --> 01:36:02,220
so at this point that it's looking like that might go into lie, but it's dependent on a couple of other things we're trying to get this small area of plan.

1090
01:36:02,960 --> 01:36:03,640
Back to council.

1091
01:36:05,120 --> 01:36:15,540
But I would look for that in the next, probably if not July, then definitely August, and other than that,

1092
01:36:15,540 --> 01:36:22,980
But I think that's all I had to report on necessarily, I think.

1093
01:36:23,360 --> 01:36:26,560
Well, you've been working on the detached 80 ordinance.

1094
01:36:27,820 --> 01:36:30,260
So hopefully, maybe we can bring that to the plank mission.

1095
01:36:31,060 --> 01:36:33,020
Yeah, I should have, I'd start at work on it.

1096
01:36:34,700 --> 01:36:37,260
I've since the city's short-handed now.

1097
01:36:38,380 --> 01:36:43,640
I talked with Jason and I volunteered my service to try to get that done,

1098
01:36:43,640 --> 01:36:46,920
because it might stay code to has to be done by October 1st.

1099
01:36:47,680 --> 01:36:49,800
So I have volunteered and I'm working with it.

1100
01:36:49,880 --> 01:36:55,440
And I should have something within the next week or so to begin looking over and reviewing.

1101
01:36:56,040 --> 01:36:56,540
Thank you.

1102
01:36:56,900 --> 01:36:58,520
Yeah, I great to have that skill.

1103
01:36:58,520 --> 01:37:02,040
The best I could volunteer for the city is maybe to have no their lawn or something, something.

1104
01:37:06,880 --> 01:37:10,460
Yeah, I don't think I have any else really to report on this.

1105
01:37:10,500 --> 01:37:12,200
Just been holding the fort down.

1106
01:37:12,760 --> 01:37:13,640
And doing a great job.

1107
01:37:13,880 --> 01:37:14,260
How band?

1108
01:37:14,480 --> 01:37:14,740
Yeah.

1109
01:37:15,060 --> 01:37:15,700
Thank you.

1110
01:37:19,380 --> 01:37:19,820
Alright.

1111
01:37:21,850 --> 01:37:22,890
Seeing that we have nothing left.

1112
01:37:23,410 --> 01:37:24,870
Next commission meeting.

1113
01:37:25,430 --> 01:37:25,670
There we are.

1114
01:37:25,710 --> 01:37:28,410
I think it's July 9th.

1115
01:37:29,090 --> 01:37:29,610
What was that?

1116
01:37:31,530 --> 01:37:39,510
Yeah. As of right now, I do not entirely sure it's possible to have this opening reason on, but I don't know. It depends on the color things.

1117
01:37:42,230 --> 01:37:42,470
Fair enough.

1118
01:37:47,210 --> 01:37:47,410
All right.

1119
01:37:48,970 --> 01:37:49,510
So moved.

1120
01:37:51,090 --> 01:37:52,190
And thank you to Aries.

1121
01:37:53,050 --> 01:37:53,850
Oh, yeah? Yeah.

1122
01:37:54,050 --> 01:37:54,610
Oh, thank you.

1123
01:37:54,750 --> 01:37:55,630
Farewell to her.

1124
01:37:55,930 --> 01:37:56,250
Thank you.

1125
01:37:57,210 --> 01:37:57,610
Wonderful.

1126
01:37:58,090 --> 01:37:58,310
Thank you.

1127
01:37:59,990 --> 01:38:01,630
I still don't forget us.

1128
01:38:01,630 --> 01:38:03,290
I don't know how to do it.

1129
01:38:05,830 --> 01:38:06,970
You are not a serious body.