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This conference will now be recorded.

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» September 4th.

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and it is 9:30 a.m. We

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welcome anyone listening

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to we're glad you're here.

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>> There's a few

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off here. So, um,

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as you all know, uh, SP84 requires us to

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adopt, uh, a text amendment by October

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1st,

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um, to allow for detached accessory

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dwelling units. And we've had, uh, to

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council, it's not through planning

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commission. Uh, it's such a, it's quite

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a big um project. And so the way we try

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to approach it here kind of based on

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some feedback and council wrers kind of

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I think hit it right on the head that we

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need to sit down on a table and kind of

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just read through this point by point.

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And so uh what we have in front of you

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here is a spreadsheet to kind of work

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through and guide us through the

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discussion. And the spreadsheet's got

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about 23 policy points to kind of go

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through one by one. And I don't know

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that we need to get through every one of

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them, but I think certainly there's some

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big ones like, you know, what lot size

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do you want to hit and and uh footprint,

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you know, uh size for structures. And

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I've kind of organized these by

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priority. So, you know, starting with

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lot size and minimum uh footprint or

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maximum footprint, things like that. And

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then you can see the first column is

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what does the state law actually require

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uh for allow and then what does the

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planning commission said so far what's

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the council input then so far and then

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there's another column that's kind of

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additional points they consider um

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obviously again we're under this kind of

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strict timeline to adopt something by

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October 1st so my thought is I know this

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is going to be something that's going to

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take many months to continue to tweak,

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look at, see what works, what doesn't

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work. Um, and then it sounds like the

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state very likely to have another

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iteration of this in the next

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legislative session. So, whatever we

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adopt is likely to change anyway. Um, so

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one one possible approach to this is we

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don't have a lot of concern about these.

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Um, we don't know the full impact. So we

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could start with a very restrictive

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approach to begin with and then as time

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allows over the next several months we

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continue to see what looks what works

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what doesn't work and then we can always

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ease up on those restrictions. It's a

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lot harder to allow something then pull

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back rather than start restrictive and

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then genuinely

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um allow you know more. So

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>> Jason, can I make a comment to that? Um,

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>> Okay, over the last few years, obviously

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I we've known this is coming and so I

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did want us to have an ADU ordinance in

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place for this reason. So that we

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wouldn't be up against a a deadline and

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now opinion that we probably don't truly

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want long term. But that being said,

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this is where we're at. Um, I do want to

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say that being restricted is good, but I

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there are so many people that have built

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extension buildings with the

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anticipation that they could turn into.

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I've talked to at least five, you know,

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so many, but five people, including like

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ourselves, my my own family, where we

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were hoping to be able to do a second

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story, which I think is appropriate in

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some areas on some lots. And so as we're

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looking at this restrictive and being

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conservative, I do want to make sure

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that we have a carveout for for

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situations that maybe are unique or you

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know there's so people can do that if

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they want to. We've had situations in my

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own neighborhood where someone built a

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really tall accessory building and

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everybody was very upset about it.

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However, we've allowed that in accessory

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buildings. And so I think the president

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has kind of already set for a taller

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building for various reasons, but I do

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think that we should be restrictive when

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we can and be conservative. So

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I hope our discussion can include the

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ability to have a second story option if

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people want it. And I realized that we

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are under the gun to put something in

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place. But and the problem with putting

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something restricting the second story

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at this point is a lot of people I'm

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sure more than five have already

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anticipated that we would do this. And

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so what I'm going to do over the next

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month, year, couple years to be able to

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allow that. So

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because I believe some people have built

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like garages and then they have a space

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above where they don't have people

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living in it now but hopefully in the

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future I feel like um that flexibility

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be there.

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>> I mean multigenerational families are a

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thing right now and and not looked down

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upon anymore. It's just that's a good

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idea. It makes financial sense and so I

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think it's really for our own kids not

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with the anticipation that these are

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really going to be rented probably

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by you know the strangers out there but

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>> you guys can consider that. So yeah, I

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think the problem that happens is that a

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lot of the times if they build your

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garage for example the and as long as

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it's behind the house then the um

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the threshold I mean you can build your

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garage a foot off of

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» so we just start we start with middle

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stories are the second page that's the

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I'm good with I'm

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good with the 10,000 square feet of me.

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>> All right, bring it back to 11. Okay,

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>> real quick. Um, why did the planning

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commission go to 10,000? Exactly. Is

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that for reason? And I was like, it's

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not a big enough issue for me to click

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to buy.

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>> It was so that it would correspond with

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our current lot size things like we have

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our 110. That's what they said.

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>> We have others in the city, but a lot of

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compliance.

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>> Can I tell you why I think they used

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to,000?

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Because if you look at 99.9% of the

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zoning ordinances, they have an R110, a

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10,000 foot threshold, which includes a

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lot of lots. I think the legislature

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said, "Let's do 11 so we can be more

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restrictive." So it limits the amount

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that first comes in. I really believe

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that because they could have easily went

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10 or five like they did on the interior

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or six like they did on interior, but I

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think they used the 11 because they knew

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that would still allow them on big lots

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in an R110 or an R18 subdivision, but

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there are many, many more R110s in

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cities than there are 111. It's just not

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a standard. Mhm. So that's why I say

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stay low.

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>> Great.

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» Well, I STILL WANT TO PUT IN MY PLUG FOR

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reviewing it later because I do think

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that if there are smaller lots, it's

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like I not like I don't want to say

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fair, but I think it makes sense to

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allow everyone to use their lot if it

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can comply.

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number of lots. Um, if we went down to

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10,000, I there's virtually no R110 on

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the west side of Kidsville. There's a

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lot of R110 kind of down in the south.

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there's a bunch. Um, and then down

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across from Cherry Hill, there's a

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bunch. And that's pretty much most of

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it. There's a little pocket up by Hot

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Hollow. And most of those R110 lots, I'd

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say half of them, just eyeballing it,

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are probably actually under 11,000. and

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the other half seem to be above 11 even

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though that's R110. So again, not

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[laughter] talking about a huge number,

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but yes. So 11,000. So spitting it out

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there, this is going to be an ordinance

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meaning that as long as the person

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qualifies [snorts] for everything that

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we say today, they don't have to come to

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counsel. They don't have to do anything.

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They just have to go through Jim, right?

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>> But is there is this even a thought just

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throws it throwing it out there? I may

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have had time to turn it, but is there a

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thought of saying, you know, uh that if

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you don't meet these thresholds, you can

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still [snorts] bring No, you could bring

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something to actual be voted on a

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council like or is that something we

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would even want to would that tricky

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because the statute says we can't make

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unconditional. So, we're kind of

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allowing what we're can allow and then

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allowing more. So, it seems like they

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would like that. But

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>> could we do an overlay zone? Make a zone

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that's like

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>> allowed allowed DADU zone and then

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they'd have to apply for a reason as

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opposed to a conditional use

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>> because that would have to go through.

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>> That sounds like it's just going to do

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the same thing.

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>> I know, but it's not prohibited.

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thinking is if there was anything that

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we could put into this into this

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ordinance that would stay that would

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stay. You know, for example, someone

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lives on 10,800

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that they that they don't that they can

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actually come to the council and the

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council can make the decision. But let's just say we get 10 or so or 15

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come back to us, then let's redo them.

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>> Sounds great. Sounds great. So 11,000.

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Perfect. Um okay, next slide is the DAU

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size. Um this city framework does not

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prohibit um us from regulating size. So

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the planning commission said 1,200 foot

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footprint as the max or I guess it's the

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lesser of 50% of the primary dwellings

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footprint for,200. I like 50% of the

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primary because it gives a smaller

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>> but let me ask this is that footprint or

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square footage that I would want to be

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the footprint of the home because I

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think what it is is that with a detached

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accessory going people are going to look

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at the massing and like they may because

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a lot of cities they say it's 50% of the

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square footage of the home and that

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excludes the garage right and so at

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least my my thought is that it's people

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how they compare the size of the

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detached accessory dwelling unit to the

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home I would want Well, and I also

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wanted to [clears throat] define is it

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1,200 square foot on the on the DAU is

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if you go multi stories is that 1,200 on

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the first floor and 1,200 on the second

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floor that's a huge house or a total

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» Yeah. I I think I'd want to go no more

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than 1,200 f feet because I my thought

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because of that is that like if I you

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know when I did some research on you

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know apartment units and such normally

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you know you don't get an apartment unit

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that has three bedrooms if it's 1,200

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ft² or less and if we want it for a DADU

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I'm thinking we probably don't want them

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to have more than two bedrooms because

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then we're going to turn out to having a

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parking problem right like there's

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different bleed over effects so that's

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where I would think that

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>> I don't want to go higher

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So total square footage

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>> of the living area and not the whole

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structure.

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>> But what about basement?

286
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>> Yeah. So if it's like

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>> upgrade, right?

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>> Right.

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>> Yeah. And that's the other thing we tal

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you talked about with the council like

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basement. So that's another question

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like say if they you know we were

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talking about like what if there's a

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garage and it's a loft.

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>> Yeah. Would you say 1,200 square feet of

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the living area of that? And you know

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like if the people are parking in that

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garage that are living in the DU then

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that would probably be appropriate

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>> of livable square footage, 1200 livable.

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>> Yeah.

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>> 50%

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>> above grade livable or

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>> I would like that. A lot of people

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realize that

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livable you realize that's a 30 by 40.

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That's big.

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just saying that.

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>> Yeah, but you still you still have the

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setbacks. I mean, people are still

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restrictive on the setbacks. That's what

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people are really upset about

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to exceed 1,200.

314
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>> Yeah. Other cities that do like,000

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square feet.

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>> Um

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>> Oh, thank you, mayor. If you feel more

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comfortable with that, but

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>> that do what?

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[clears throat]

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>> 1,000 square feet, 50% or 1,000 square

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feet, whichever is less.

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There's others that that even go higher

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than that. They go up to like 1500

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square feet which I like going above

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the,200 I think is maybe the max that

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like

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>> I mean Jim tell you that most of the

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four level splits you see out in Oakidge

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Highlands and all that they're less than

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1200 square foot footprint.

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So they're like all the four level

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splits you see in Oakidge Highland and

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all those. Try to picture two of those

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on one lot.

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» 50% of the house. You can do the 50%

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house but not exceeding the 1200 square.

338
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>> That's Yeah, that's the thing. Yeah,

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whichever is the smaller.

340
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>> So you can have a bigger ADU than your

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house.

342
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>> That's what I'm saying. And that's totally fine.

343
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>> As long as you can't, right?

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>> 50% of your house. And that's where I

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think maybe that that's where we're

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covered is that if if we say it's 50% of

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the square footage of the footprint of

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the house, then

349
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>> the only way we're going to get a 12,200

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foot one is if the house is a really big

351
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house,

352
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>> right?

353
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>> Yeah.

354
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» Okay. Okay. Just to be clear, it's the

355
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lesser of 50% of the square footage of

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the primary structure of the footprint

357
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of the primary structure [clears throat]

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is the garage.

359
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[laughter]

360
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>> I I wouldn't mind having in the code

361
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that says like footprint and then in

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parentheses including the garage just to

363
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be completely correct.

364
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>> So if you added uh extended your garage

365
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right before you could make a bigger.

366
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So Jim, what would the typical

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based upon what we were just talking

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about? This typical ADU will be how big

369
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>> because you said you'd have to have a

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really big house to have a,200 foot.

371
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>> You'd have to have at least a 2400 foot

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house to and you know that's not real

373
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that's not a really big house but it

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hurts it hurts people.

375
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Uh

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>> this is a 24 uh00t

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footprint house.

378
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>> Okay. on an 11,000 foot watt. So that'd

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be a,200 square foot footprint ADU and

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it kind of cut off the time but yeah

381
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just to give you an idea and hopefully

382
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that's right that's

383
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>> AI sometimes AI is totally wrong but it

384
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looks looks good [laughter]

385
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almost all the ramblers in your

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neighborhood are 24 about 24

387
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>> but also that's 800T

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» that's true because yeah the homes there

389
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it's seven floor like if you look at the

390
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assessor's office

391
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>> it's

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area.

393
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>> Okay.

394
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I see what you're saying. So, it's

395
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home.

396
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>> Okay.

397
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>> Right.

398
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>> Yeah. And that's that's another thing,

399
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too, is that like if you [snorts] look

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at square footage of like a home where

401
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it's on the market or something, you

402
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know, they'll usually say that like the

403
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home is 2,400 feet, but that always

404
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excludes the garage. Like it's it's it's

405
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the livable space that they're talking

406
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about. So,

407
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>> yeah.

408
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>> So, so it includes the garage, doesn't

409
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it? That would be including the garage.

410
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>> It includes

411
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>> that does include the garage. The ones

412
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in your neighborhood when I was telling

413
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you about

414
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>> 2100 not included

415
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garage is 800 8 900 sometimes.

416
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>> Okay. [clears throat]

417
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>> So 21 square foot of the house.

418
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>> So if you have a if you have a thousand

419
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if you have a 2,000 foot home it's only

420
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a,000 square foot.

421
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>> Yeah.

422
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>> And so the ADU can only be a 500 square

423
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foot. No be,000

424
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>> 50%.

425
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>> Yeah. be 50% of the footprint

426
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>> 2,000 foot home but the footprints

427
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only,000, right?

428
00:16:25,759 --> 00:16:27,519
>> Am I understanding that correctly?

429
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>> Okay. So then you have a 500 foot ADU

430
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and that's liveable space.

431
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>> So you can have a garage and then you

432
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can put a 500 foot ADU above it

433
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>> or you can have a basement.

434
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>> Okay.

435
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>> Or both that price of building.

436
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>> Okay.

437
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>> We good on that one?

438
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>> Next one is the minimum Uh I don't know

439
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this

440
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and then the next one height and height

441
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and stories I guess we kind of talk

442
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about these together

443
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>> sounds like we want to talk about an

444
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exception maybe possibly for

445
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>> a second story not to think the height

446
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of the obviously the first house the

447
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main house

448
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>> um

449
00:17:13,039 --> 00:17:15,360
>> is a way to do that that's not too

450
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complicated I do think the setbacks

451
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matter more than anything else in this

452
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conversation.

453
00:17:21,039 --> 00:17:23,439
>> Yeah. I I think I've seen a lot of

454
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heights where it's 20 uh you know a

455
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maximum height of 20 ft

456
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>> or you know whichever is less. Yeah.

457
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Right. Kind of similar to the 50% right

458
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where it's like 20% or the height of the

459
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house whichever is less.

460
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>> Um you know because if you do have a

461
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landlord that's not very tall. Um but

462
00:17:42,080 --> 00:17:44,320
yeah, that's I think also what gets

463
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tricky about this is that when you have

464
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a two-story

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um as you mentioned like we might have

466
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people that already have built these

467
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structures that are really close to the

468
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property line and so then

469
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and I think some of the comments that

470
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have come out in the public meetings are

471
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well this is going to put somebody's

472
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residential unit like right next to my

473
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yard or it's one foot off the property

474
00:18:03,520 --> 00:18:06,080
line or whatever or you know but well it

475
00:18:06,080 --> 00:18:07,280
would have to be more than one foot off

476
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the property line you know.

477
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>> Yeah. If you have a twotory and let's

478
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just say it's 16 ft high, you're going

479
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to be minimum 4T anyway, right?

480
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>> Just because of because of the height,

481
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because of the setback,

482
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>> right? So, I think a lot of those

483
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concerns have been I'm used to having a

484
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dwelling that is 20 plus feet away from

485
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my property line and whatnot. Then it's

486
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um how I'm trying to figure out like how

487
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do we allow the conversion of maybe an

488
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existing

489
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structure that to have an ADU there, but

490
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then still get it set off enough where

491
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it's not imposing on the adjacent

492
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property. And maybe there's maybe

493
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there's some things that we can do where

494
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it's like window placement.

495
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>> Say, let's limit windows. You can't have

496
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windows [clears throat]

497
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facing a fence into your neighbor's

498
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area.

499
00:18:49,520 --> 00:18:51,840
>> Let's talk about windows first because

500
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to regulate windows is so tough. But you

501
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think about it and you drive down the

502
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road cuz people are keep talking about

503
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people looking in the bedroom, but every

504
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time you drive down the road and there's

505
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8ft setbacks, I guarantee you those

506
00:19:04,160 --> 00:19:07,280
people's windows in those houses are 16

507
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ft apart and they're already there. So

508
00:19:08,720 --> 00:19:10,480
now you're talking about they don't want

509
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windows looking into their backyard or

510
00:19:12,240 --> 00:19:16,000
whatever and regulating windows. I mean,

511
00:19:16,000 --> 00:19:18,000
you know, it's like every subdivision we

512
00:19:18,000 --> 00:19:20,480
go in and look at these houses. When you

513
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go in there and you're looking doing a

514
00:19:21,760 --> 00:19:24,640
final, you're looking at the window,

515
00:19:24,640 --> 00:19:26,880
you 16 ft away. It's in every

516
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subdivision. And if you have reduced

517
00:19:29,039 --> 00:19:31,760
setbacks, five feet, then you're 10 feet

518
00:19:31,760 --> 00:19:33,600
away. You know, I was doing an

519
00:19:33,600 --> 00:19:35,360
inspection down in Farmington and I was

520
00:19:35,360 --> 00:19:36,640
sitting on the second floor of a

521
00:19:36,640 --> 00:19:39,200
million-doll home. walked up to check an

522
00:19:39,200 --> 00:19:40,799
outlet and I looked at a guy over there

523
00:19:40,799 --> 00:19:42,559
working in his computer because they

524
00:19:42,559 --> 00:19:45,760
have five foot setbacks 10 feet away. So

525
00:19:45,760 --> 00:19:48,559
there are better already there in these

526
00:19:48,559 --> 00:19:50,480
houses.

527
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>> So so they regulate when well it goes

528
00:19:52,960 --> 00:19:55,679
back to the old deal of if we regulate

529
00:19:55,679 --> 00:19:57,679
setbacks like the planning commission

530
00:19:57,679 --> 00:19:59,360
said if [snorts] it's an eight foot

531
00:19:59,360 --> 00:20:00,799
sideyard they have to be at least eight

532
00:20:00,799 --> 00:20:02,640
feet from the sideyard. If it's a 15

533
00:20:02,640 --> 00:20:04,000
foot rear ride they have to be at least

534
00:20:04,000 --> 00:20:06,240
15 feet from the rear yard. then you're

535
00:20:06,240 --> 00:20:09,120
not being any more of of truth than the

536
00:20:09,120 --> 00:20:09,600
>> okay

537
00:20:09,600 --> 00:20:12,080
>> existing dwellings would have been in

538
00:20:12,080 --> 00:20:13,120
the first.

539
00:20:13,120 --> 00:20:13,520
>> Okay.

540
00:20:13,520 --> 00:20:13,919
>> Yeah.

541
00:20:13,919 --> 00:20:14,480
>> Does that

542
00:20:14,480 --> 00:20:16,160
>> I like the planning commission's idea of

543
00:20:16,160 --> 00:20:17,440
sticking with the setbacks that are

544
00:20:17,440 --> 00:20:19,039
required for the existing dwelling in

545
00:20:19,039 --> 00:20:19,679
that zone. Anyway,

546
00:20:19,679 --> 00:20:21,760
>> I feel like the only area maybe where

547
00:20:21,760 --> 00:20:24,209
you could have windows be

548
00:20:24,209 --> 00:20:25,440
[clears throat]

549
00:20:25,440 --> 00:20:30,880
>> an issue is if we allow second floors.

550
00:20:30,880 --> 00:20:32,400
>> Well, it depends on how high your lots

551
00:20:32,400 --> 00:20:34,400
build up. Like for example, my lot we

552
00:20:34,400 --> 00:20:36,480
built it up quite a bit.

553
00:20:36,480 --> 00:20:38,880
>> So people can see we're short, you know,

554
00:20:38,880 --> 00:20:40,584
but everyone else can see my yard.

555
00:20:40,584 --> 00:20:45,669
[laughter]

556
00:20:45,679 --> 00:20:48,000
» I don't know why they can't build up. So

557
00:20:48,000 --> 00:20:51,719
I don't I think I just lost my argument.

558
00:20:51,719 --> 00:20:52,080
[laughter]

559
00:20:52,080 --> 00:20:54,640
>> My point is that

560
00:20:54,640 --> 00:20:56,000
>> yeah it depends on the height of the lot

561
00:20:56,000 --> 00:20:59,679
obviously but my point is that if you

562
00:20:59,679 --> 00:21:02,480
it feels like a way you can satisfy this

563
00:21:02,480 --> 00:21:06,240
is to say that if if a first level

564
00:21:06,240 --> 00:21:09,840
window traditionally

565
00:21:09,840 --> 00:21:12,400
will see the vents or something like

566
00:21:12,400 --> 00:21:15,120
that, right? second level window, you

567
00:21:15,120 --> 00:21:17,760
know, it your yard is like your kind of

568
00:21:17,760 --> 00:21:20,799
private yard or whatever. Maybe uh maybe

569
00:21:20,799 --> 00:21:23,520
your, you know, sunbathes or whatever.

570
00:21:23,520 --> 00:21:25,840
And that that's the point of like you

571
00:21:25,840 --> 00:21:27,760
put something now in the backyard that's

572
00:21:27,760 --> 00:21:29,280
going to create like a

573
00:21:29,280 --> 00:21:32,000
>> a visual view drop and so

574
00:21:32,000 --> 00:21:33,679
>> right.

575
00:21:33,679 --> 00:21:35,520
>> Well, they do, but they all look into

576
00:21:35,520 --> 00:21:37,200
each other, right? And yeah, you could

577
00:21:37,200 --> 00:21:39,520
see the yard from up here. And you know,

578
00:21:39,520 --> 00:21:41,600
there's always going to be ways that you

579
00:21:41,600 --> 00:21:44,000
can see into the yard. I guess the

580
00:21:44,000 --> 00:21:45,039
concept now is

581
00:21:45,039 --> 00:21:46,240
>> one of those things that

582
00:21:46,240 --> 00:21:48,320
>> that these people, all of these people

583
00:21:48,320 --> 00:21:49,840
knew that they were buying the house

584
00:21:49,840 --> 00:21:52,000
that had this, but now this has always

585
00:21:52,000 --> 00:21:53,600
been the thing like you when you bought

586
00:21:53,600 --> 00:21:55,520
your house, you knew that there was

587
00:21:55,520 --> 00:21:57,919
going to be a house next to you. You

588
00:21:57,919 --> 00:21:59,440
didn't know [clears throat] that when

589
00:21:59,440 --> 00:22:01,600
you're doing your backyard that there

590
00:22:01,600 --> 00:22:03,919
would eventually be a twostory building

591
00:22:03,919 --> 00:22:05,600
that can look into your

592
00:22:05,600 --> 00:22:07,679
>> One of the things says it says you

593
00:22:07,679 --> 00:22:11,280
cannot regulate rooms. So bedrooms need

594
00:22:11,280 --> 00:22:14,000
egress windows. So now you're setting up

595
00:22:14,000 --> 00:22:15,840
the city to fail. That's what you're

596
00:22:15,840 --> 00:22:16,640
doing. I

597
00:22:16,640 --> 00:22:18,480
>> forgot about that.

598
00:22:18,480 --> 00:22:21,520
>> Mike, you brought up ones too. Today you

599
00:22:21,520 --> 00:22:23,760
can already do a new addition to your

600
00:22:23,760 --> 00:22:25,440
house and kind of that whole point of

601
00:22:25,440 --> 00:22:28,320
like now you've got maybe an additional

602
00:22:28,320 --> 00:22:30,000
there's no realation on the windows.

603
00:22:30,000 --> 00:22:30,559
Okay. All right.

604
00:22:30,559 --> 00:22:33,520
>> I forgot about that tricky.

605
00:22:33,520 --> 00:22:35,520
>> So going back to the like the double

606
00:22:35,520 --> 00:22:37,840
stories. So like the setback

607
00:22:37,840 --> 00:22:40,159
restrictions we have now. Can we make it

608
00:22:40,159 --> 00:22:42,000
more restrictive to where if you wanted

609
00:22:42,000 --> 00:22:44,480
to do two stories, we actually pull that

610
00:22:44,480 --> 00:22:47,120
farther from the the boundary line and

611
00:22:47,120 --> 00:22:48,080
then that would kind of

612
00:22:48,080 --> 00:22:50,275
>> Yeah, it's possible. But thing.

613
00:22:50,275 --> 00:22:50,400
[clears throat]

614
00:22:50,400 --> 00:22:52,159
>> What I've seen with a lot of other ADU

615
00:22:52,159 --> 00:22:54,960
ordinances um is that if it's a single

616
00:22:54,960 --> 00:22:56,880
story, then the setback could be less

617
00:22:56,880 --> 00:22:58,880
than what it is of the primary dwelling,

618
00:22:58,880 --> 00:23:00,240
but then if it's a two story, then it's

619
00:23:00,240 --> 00:23:01,360
like then you do have to meet the

620
00:23:01,360 --> 00:23:02,720
setback of the primary dwelling.

621
00:23:02,720 --> 00:23:03,919
>> I think we should discuss that and

622
00:23:03,919 --> 00:23:05,280
figure that out cuz I think that would

623
00:23:05,280 --> 00:23:07,039
kind of solve some of the issues with

624
00:23:07,039 --> 00:23:07,760
the windows.

625
00:23:07,760 --> 00:23:09,520
>> And when it comes to like the windows,

626
00:23:09,520 --> 00:23:12,320
the we can't regulate the the location

627
00:23:12,320 --> 00:23:13,679
placement of windows and doors and

628
00:23:13,679 --> 00:23:16,400
things like that except for this type of

629
00:23:16,400 --> 00:23:18,880
a situation. So like you know city code

630
00:23:18,880 --> 00:23:20,080
did say that we can't regulate those

631
00:23:20,080 --> 00:23:22,240
things but it said to conform to setback

632
00:23:22,240 --> 00:23:24,320
requirements that may take in account

633
00:23:24,320 --> 00:23:26,400
property lines and other structures

634
00:23:26,400 --> 00:23:28,480
easements window orientation massing or

635
00:23:28,480 --> 00:23:30,159
other elements. So like those things

636
00:23:30,159 --> 00:23:32,000
it's it's almost like they're giving us

637
00:23:32,000 --> 00:23:34,000
the ability to say that like

638
00:23:34,000 --> 00:23:36,240
>> we can regulate those things if it's

639
00:23:36,240 --> 00:23:38,880
related to a setback and if if it's a

640
00:23:38,880 --> 00:23:40,320
distance away from the property line

641
00:23:40,320 --> 00:23:41,840
then we can say where the windows are

642
00:23:41,840 --> 00:23:43,760
being located. So, for example, if

643
00:23:43,760 --> 00:23:45,520
there's already an accessory building on

644
00:23:45,520 --> 00:23:46,720
property and they want to make the

645
00:23:46,720 --> 00:23:48,799
second floor ADU and it's an exist

646
00:23:48,799 --> 00:23:50,159
existing building,

647
00:23:50,159 --> 00:23:51,679
>> then we can regulate where the windows

648
00:23:51,679 --> 00:23:53,440
go on the second floor should they come

649
00:23:53,440 --> 00:23:55,120
in to try to get a permit for that.

650
00:23:55,120 --> 00:23:55,679
>> Yes.

651
00:23:55,679 --> 00:23:57,440
>> Because it's existing rather than tear

652
00:23:57,440 --> 00:23:58,720
it down and start over, right?

653
00:23:58,720 --> 00:24:00,080
>> Is that what we're saying? Okay.

654
00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:03,280
>> At least the planning commission says we

655
00:24:03,280 --> 00:24:04,880
could make them so the windows were four

656
00:24:04,880 --> 00:24:06,960
feet or 5t high

657
00:24:06,960 --> 00:24:08,320
>> for bedrooms. Don't they have to be able

658
00:24:08,320 --> 00:24:09,679
to open for bedrooms?

659
00:24:09,679 --> 00:24:11,840
>> We can't put bedrooms on that side. So,

660
00:24:11,840 --> 00:24:14,320
They have to be so so close to the

661
00:24:14,320 --> 00:24:15,840
ground have to be so big.

662
00:24:15,840 --> 00:24:17,200
>> The other thing that makes it tricky,

663
00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:19,279
you know, on regulating window

664
00:24:19,279 --> 00:24:21,600
orientation is that say if it's we don't

665
00:24:21,600 --> 00:24:23,440
allow them, you know, facing adjacent

666
00:24:23,440 --> 00:24:24,960
properties, it's going to depend on

667
00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:26,320
where that bedroom is, right? Because

668
00:24:26,320 --> 00:24:27,279
then you're going to have to have an

669
00:24:27,279 --> 00:24:30,080
egress out of that.

670
00:24:30,080 --> 00:24:31,120
>> In that situation,

671
00:24:31,120 --> 00:24:31,520
>> okay,

672
00:24:31,520 --> 00:24:33,111
>> maybe they couldn't. I mean, if they if

673
00:24:33,111 --> 00:24:34,559
[laughter] they can't if they can't

674
00:24:34,559 --> 00:24:38,320
convert their current structure to have

675
00:24:38,320 --> 00:24:40,240
the windows and whatever, then they

676
00:24:40,240 --> 00:24:41,919
can't even move it. That's terrible. I

677
00:24:41,919 --> 00:24:43,760
absolutely agree. Like I don't think we

678
00:24:43,760 --> 00:24:45,039
need to write this so that people who

679
00:24:45,039 --> 00:24:47,600
already have something built can comply

680
00:24:47,600 --> 00:24:48,320
immediately.

681
00:24:48,320 --> 00:24:51,600
>> 100% Abby because we've never allowed

682
00:24:51,600 --> 00:24:53,840
>> they built their garages based on a

683
00:24:53,840 --> 00:24:56,960
garage. So for them to say, "Well, I

684
00:24:56,960 --> 00:24:58,720
can't do this because my garage won't

685
00:24:58,720 --> 00:25:01,840
let me." That's no excuse. That's a

686
00:25:01,840 --> 00:25:03,520
terrible argument because they've never

687
00:25:03,520 --> 00:25:04,480
been allowed.

688
00:25:04,480 --> 00:25:05,679
>> Well, yeah. And if anybody were to come

689
00:25:05,679 --> 00:25:06,880
forward and say, "I want to request a

690
00:25:06,880 --> 00:25:08,080
variance." be like,

691
00:25:08,080 --> 00:25:09,600
>> I'm not even going to accept that

692
00:25:09,600 --> 00:25:11,039
application because that's 100%

693
00:25:11,039 --> 00:25:12,640
self-imposed.

694
00:25:12,640 --> 00:25:13,039
>> Exactly.

695
00:25:13,039 --> 00:25:14,880
>> If they wanted to, you know, submit the

696
00:25:14,880 --> 00:25:16,559
application, I couldn't ever deny them,

697
00:25:16,559 --> 00:25:17,760
you know, if they want to, but it' be

698
00:25:17,760 --> 00:25:19,600
like, look, this is going to get a no

699
00:25:19,600 --> 00:25:21,120
from us from the get-go because you're

700
00:25:21,120 --> 00:25:23,440
it's a self-imposed archip. It it fails.

701
00:25:23,440 --> 00:25:25,679
>> Okay.

702
00:25:25,679 --> 00:25:27,760
>> Um, one one point on that, and I

703
00:25:27,760 --> 00:25:29,760
completely agree with everything. It

704
00:25:29,760 --> 00:25:32,240
will be an enforcement nightmare because

705
00:25:32,240 --> 00:25:34,240
if if you tell people, sorry, and we

706
00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:35,840
already have this going on, right?

707
00:25:35,840 --> 00:25:37,600
people are living up there and we know

708
00:25:37,600 --> 00:25:40,000
it, but if we get a complaint, we'll go

709
00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:42,640
out and we'll have to enforce it.

710
00:25:42,640 --> 00:25:44,960
>> There are other cities where they they

711
00:25:44,960 --> 00:25:46,480
allow the window to be there, but then

712
00:25:46,480 --> 00:25:48,480
it has to be like

713
00:25:48,480 --> 00:25:51,840
>> Yeah. like a a frosted window, right?

714
00:25:51,840 --> 00:25:54,159
Like it can't be a window that you can

715
00:25:54,159 --> 00:25:57,120
see out of. Um, and again, like say if

716
00:25:57,120 --> 00:25:59,600
we were to go out, we'd inspected it and

717
00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:01,760
it was that way. if they changed it

718
00:26:01,760 --> 00:26:03,360
after the fact that they could see out

719
00:26:03,360 --> 00:26:04,480
of like we're only going to know about

720
00:26:04,480 --> 00:26:06,799
that if we get a complaint on it. But

721
00:26:06,799 --> 00:26:08,559
>> and then my question is what do we do if

722
00:26:08,559 --> 00:26:12,960
we get a complaint? We've got what do? We tell them to change it and then

723
00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:15,520
they find them and then they don't pay

724
00:26:15,520 --> 00:26:16,320
it and then we

725
00:26:16,320 --> 00:26:17,520
>> Yeah. It eventually makes its way

726
00:26:17,520 --> 00:26:19,440
through the

727
00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:21,360
process.

728
00:26:21,360 --> 00:26:21,919
>> Okay.

729
00:26:21,919 --> 00:26:25,840
>> Um Okay. So we are going allowing two

730
00:26:25,840 --> 00:26:29,120
story with uh primary structure setback.

731
00:26:29,120 --> 00:26:31,440
>> Yes. Well, wait. Let's clarify what we

732
00:26:31,440 --> 00:26:34,320
mean by two story because I mean I think

733
00:26:34,320 --> 00:26:35,440
there are a lot of things you can mean

734
00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:37,039
when you say two stories.

735
00:26:37,039 --> 00:26:39,919
>> I can make a first story 15 ft tall and

736
00:26:39,919 --> 00:26:44,000
put a second story another 15t.

737
00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:46,640
>> I haven't seen the curve height of the

738
00:26:46,640 --> 00:26:50,400
house to meet the setback is 30 feet. a

739
00:26:50,400 --> 00:26:52,240
lot of 30 foot houses out there and the

740
00:26:52,240 --> 00:26:54,320
roofs right now because you measure it

741
00:26:54,320 --> 00:26:56,799
to the halfway point of the pitch some

742
00:26:56,799 --> 00:27:00,400
of those houses are 35 37 feet tall so

743
00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:01,520
you need to say

744
00:27:01,520 --> 00:27:05,440
>> maximum height to the ridge or the peak

745
00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:08,640
so it has I think had something where it

746
00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:10,080
said 25t max on

747
00:27:10,080 --> 00:27:11,600
>> two

748
00:27:11,600 --> 00:27:13,440
foot maximum um there's a lot of other

749
00:27:13,440 --> 00:27:15,520
cities that say 20 ft you know I felt

750
00:27:15,520 --> 00:27:18,159
like the majority was more under that 20

751
00:27:18,159 --> 00:27:20,000
was more under the 25 felt Leon was a

752
00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:23,520
little bit more open to a higher uh

753
00:27:23,520 --> 00:27:25,840
standard there. But like yeah, my my

754
00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:27,360
other thought too is if we measure it to

755
00:27:27,360 --> 00:27:29,840
the peak um if they're going to have a

756
00:27:29,840 --> 00:27:31,360
twotory,

757
00:27:31,360 --> 00:27:32,400
>> they're going to they'll have to figure

758
00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:34,880
out their roof pit their roof pitch that

759
00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:36,240
work, right? If they want to have a

760
00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:38,159
second story, so it might have to be a

761
00:27:38,159 --> 00:27:40,000
sh a more shallow roof pitch.

762
00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:41,760
>> Does that make a really ugly second

763
00:27:41,760 --> 00:27:43,760
building?

764
00:27:43,760 --> 00:27:45,520
>> You're going to have flat roofs then,

765
00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:46,320
right?

766
00:27:46,320 --> 00:27:49,200
>> You don't think so?

767
00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:52,230
115.

768
00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:55,039
» If you have a something taller like a

769
00:27:55,039 --> 00:27:56,159
truck, you're going to pull in there.

770
00:27:56,159 --> 00:27:57,440
It's jacked up. You're going to have to

771
00:27:57,440 --> 00:27:58,720
have it. That makes

772
00:27:58,720 --> 00:28:01,520
>> Well, trailer

773
00:28:01,520 --> 00:28:03,760
built, you're going to have accessory

774
00:28:03,760 --> 00:28:06,159
buildings up with accessory dwelling.

775
00:28:06,159 --> 00:28:08,159
>> Well, that's

776
00:28:08,159 --> 00:28:09,039
I think a lot of people

777
00:28:09,039 --> 00:28:10,799
>> Well, we don't have to accommodate them

778
00:28:10,799 --> 00:28:12,159
wanting to put something on top of their

779
00:28:12,159 --> 00:28:12,640
garage.

780
00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:14,080
>> Trying to keep the two completely

781
00:28:14,080 --> 00:28:15,679
separate. That's what I'm hoping we can

782
00:28:15,679 --> 00:28:17,679
do because we still want people to have

783
00:28:17,679 --> 00:28:19,919
accessory buildings that they can use

784
00:28:19,919 --> 00:28:22,159
for the comfort and enjoyment of their

785
00:28:22,159 --> 00:28:24,480
own home and yard and not get these

786
00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:26,720
things mixed up. These are accessory

787
00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:28,960
dwelling units. So, we're saying this is

788
00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:31,679
another single family dwelling on a

789
00:28:31,679 --> 00:28:32,559
single lot.

790
00:28:32,559 --> 00:28:34,240
>> Makes sense. Yeah. So,

791
00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:36,000
>> here here's a question for you.

792
00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:38,000
>> I would rather see a second house look

793
00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:39,279
like the first house. I

794
00:28:39,279 --> 00:28:41,120
>> agree. And so is just some flat roofed

795
00:28:41,120 --> 00:28:42,080
ugly building.

796
00:28:42,080 --> 00:28:42,640
>> Weird thing.

797
00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:45,440
>> Could we do a 25

798
00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:47,279
that make sure that I mean it gets

799
00:28:47,279 --> 00:28:48,480
pitched, you know?

800
00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:50,960
>> Yeah. And I honestly I think that like

801
00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:52,720
they wrote in the state code it's it's

802
00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:54,559
broad enough that if we were to get a

803
00:28:54,559 --> 00:28:55,840
permit that came in and they were trying

804
00:28:55,840 --> 00:28:57,360
to do a flat roof, but then the home had

805
00:28:57,360 --> 00:28:58,080
a pitched roof.

806
00:28:58,080 --> 00:28:59,840
>> We could tell them no. I could at least

807
00:28:59,840 --> 00:29:03,520
argue for that, you know, until they

808
00:29:03,520 --> 00:29:05,360
>> right because I'm think because state

809
00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:06,960
code does allow us to say that it has to

810
00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:09,039
match the character of the of the

811
00:29:09,039 --> 00:29:10,559
primary.

812
00:29:10,559 --> 00:29:12,960
>> And so I don't think we can specifically

813
00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:14,480
say that this is the type of roof that

814
00:29:14,480 --> 00:29:16,960
it needs to have, but we can say like if

815
00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:18,559
it comes in it doesn't look like the

816
00:29:18,559 --> 00:29:20,720
house, I could likely, you know, push

817
00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:22,080
that back and say you've got to make it

818
00:29:22,080 --> 00:29:22,640
match the house.

819
00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:23,919
>> Can you say character and building

820
00:29:23,919 --> 00:29:26,000
material or are they making

821
00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:28,480
>> Yeah, it does say weekend. It says

822
00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:29,279
carrot.

823
00:29:29,279 --> 00:29:30,880
>> That's the tricky part, right? No one

824
00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:32,399
knows what the state code actually means

825
00:29:32,399 --> 00:29:34,080
there. And [laughter] that planning

826
00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:35,600
commission was actually a good idea.

827
00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:37,279
Just let's just copy exactly what the

828
00:29:37,279 --> 00:29:40,640
code says or the state law says that

829
00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:41,840
recover.

830
00:29:41,840 --> 00:29:43,840
>> But do we want to do do we want to

831
00:29:43,840 --> 00:29:46,480
change this to Mike's point? I think

832
00:29:46,480 --> 00:29:49,200
your said maybe can't remember who said

833
00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:52,080
that was it you Nate that said that if

834
00:29:52,080 --> 00:29:53,440
they do go two [clears throat] story

835
00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:55,440
that we do we want to increase the

836
00:29:55,440 --> 00:29:57,679
setback. I think I think we should

837
00:29:57,679 --> 00:30:00,080
almost more focus on that the setbacks

838
00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:02,559
and then that would kind of help us as

839
00:30:02,559 --> 00:30:04,880
far as what I mean there. So like so if

840
00:30:04,880 --> 00:30:07,600
you if you're in like a if if you're in

841
00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:10,880
somewhere that has a 6 foot 5 foot

842
00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:12,960
setback like do we want to say if you're

843
00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:14,799
going to do a twotory then it has to be

844
00:30:14,799 --> 00:30:17,600
10 ft of the setback or something like

845
00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:17,919
that.

846
00:30:17,919 --> 00:30:20,159
>> You could literally take our ordinance

847
00:30:20,159 --> 00:30:22,799
right now going back to the accessory

848
00:30:22,799 --> 00:30:24,720
building. You could literally take that

849
00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:27,679
45° angle and drop it down to a 26°

850
00:30:27,679 --> 00:30:30,480
angle and it would fix 99.9%

851
00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:32,399
of every complaint and height you ever

852
00:30:32,399 --> 00:30:36,720
see. But there's a reason there's a reason that they have

853
00:30:36,720 --> 00:30:38,399
it that high is because they want the

854
00:30:38,399 --> 00:30:41,120
upper room to have they want that upper

855
00:30:41,120 --> 00:30:43,360
loft to have more

856
00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:45,760
>> more room because that would push you

857
00:30:45,760 --> 00:30:48,240
further into the

858
00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:50,559
>> you drop that pit. I'm okay with you

859
00:30:50,559 --> 00:30:52,640
saying cuz I personally I don't like the

860
00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:54,880
second story as an ADU. Let's say they

861
00:30:54,880 --> 00:30:56,720
want to put a second story ADU in. They

862
00:30:56,720 --> 00:30:59,120
got to double the setback.

863
00:30:59,120 --> 00:31:01,039
>> That's obviously

864
00:31:01,039 --> 00:31:03,200
the formula of [clears throat]

865
00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:05,919
>> doubling the setback. How much does that

866
00:31:05,919 --> 00:31:09,919
>> be 16 ft instead of eight? So if youard

867
00:31:09,919 --> 00:31:11,679
>> from the sideyard or the rear yard it'

868
00:31:11,679 --> 00:31:13,919
be 30 instead of 15.

869
00:31:13,919 --> 00:31:15,840
>> Is that unreasonable? I think

870
00:31:15,840 --> 00:31:18,720
>> I don't think so because especially the

871
00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:20,240
>> 16 feet is a lot.

872
00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:22,240
>> It is a lot. Yeah. But we're talking

873
00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:23,679
like

874
00:31:23,679 --> 00:31:25,520
>> that would probably more be in larger

875
00:31:25,520 --> 00:31:27,039
lots like size

876
00:31:27,039 --> 00:31:27,840
>> for sure.

877
00:31:27,840 --> 00:31:29,360
>> They're doing a double story. You mean

878
00:31:29,360 --> 00:31:31,840
>> but does that penise people with smaller

879
00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:32,559
properties?

880
00:31:32,559 --> 00:31:35,520
>> Think it does discriminating against

881
00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:38,559
>> maybe it makes people smaller keep the

882
00:31:38,559 --> 00:31:39,760
single story.

883
00:31:39,760 --> 00:31:41,279
>> Yeah, that's what it for. It forces

884
00:31:41,279 --> 00:31:43,279
smaller lots to keep the single ideas,

885
00:31:43,279 --> 00:31:45,200
which is probably more appropriate for a

886
00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:47,360
smaller lot.

887
00:31:47,360 --> 00:31:49,120
>> Their house doesn't like it. I mean,

888
00:31:49,120 --> 00:31:51,039
it's going to look like a

889
00:31:51,039 --> 00:31:52,720
>> You don't want If they want to do that,

890
00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:54,080
they could just do an addition to their

891
00:31:54,080 --> 00:31:54,480
house.

892
00:31:54,480 --> 00:31:56,080
>> They could

893
00:31:56,080 --> 00:31:58,480
>> They want a twotory

894
00:31:58,480 --> 00:31:59,679
addition to their house and call it an

895
00:31:59,679 --> 00:32:00,799
interior ad.

896
00:32:00,799 --> 00:32:02,960
>> Just have a walkway, right? Bridgeway.

897
00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:04,559
>> We're going to get rid of that. Get rid

898
00:32:04,559 --> 00:32:06,480
of the breezeway.

899
00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:08,320
I think they should get rid because that

900
00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:10,720
was the breezeway was for the bigger

901
00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:12,960
garages.

902
00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:15,279
>> So, are we thinking that like a single

903
00:32:15,279 --> 00:32:18,960
story meets the the same step access to

904
00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:22,880
primary home or would that be less?

905
00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:24,320
>> Yeah, we've kind of got

906
00:32:24,320 --> 00:32:25,840
>> What would that be now?

907
00:32:25,840 --> 00:32:27,200
>> Well, depends on where you live.

908
00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:28,880
>> You're saying a single story makes the

909
00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:30,720
primary step requirements?

910
00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:31,120
>> Yes.

911
00:32:31,120 --> 00:32:33,039
>> And a second story doubles. Is that what

912
00:32:33,039 --> 00:32:33,440
you're saying?

913
00:32:33,440 --> 00:32:35,120
>> Double the sideyards.

914
00:32:35,120 --> 00:32:37,679
>> I would say double the sideyard. like

915
00:32:37,679 --> 00:32:40,240
50% extra the sideyard. So if it's five,

916
00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:41,200
you add two and a half.

917
00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:43,279
>> Yeah. So So if we're talking about like

918
00:32:43,279 --> 00:32:45,440
if it's going to be a minimum 11,000

919
00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:47,760
foot lot size, then we're talking the

920
00:32:47,760 --> 00:32:50,640
R1LD all the way up to A5 or the the

921
00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:52,399
zones that we would allow because R1LD

922
00:32:52,399 --> 00:32:55,279
is a 12,000 foot lot size. Then we go 14

923
00:32:55,279 --> 00:33:00,080
20 21 40 and then 210 which you know A5

924
00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:02,559
is heavy agricultural but

925
00:33:02,559 --> 00:33:05,600
>> but like the minimum rear setback for

926
00:33:05,600 --> 00:33:09,360
the 12,000 square foot lot sizes is 15

927
00:33:09,360 --> 00:33:12,080
>> and then it's it weighs at 15 until you

928
00:33:12,080 --> 00:33:14,720
get to RA and then R is 30.

929
00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:15,200
>> Yeah.

930
00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:21,679
>> So uh we were just saying that we don't double the rear the can stay.

931
00:33:21,679 --> 00:33:25,039
It's the side yards that would become

932
00:33:25,039 --> 00:33:25,600
>> double.

933
00:33:25,600 --> 00:33:26,880
>> Yeah, like Mike was saying that, you

934
00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:28,640
know, it's eight. Um, yeah.

935
00:33:28,640 --> 00:33:32,159
>> So, it' be 16 for two.

936
00:33:32,159 --> 00:33:34,000
>> And then they just be 15t off the rear

937
00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:35,919
yard, 16t off the sideyard, and the two

938
00:33:35,919 --> 00:33:36,880
store. I don't think people would

939
00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:37,519
complain.

940
00:33:37,519 --> 00:33:39,919
>> 16 ft from the fence or 16 ft from the

941
00:33:39,919 --> 00:33:40,559
other

942
00:33:40,559 --> 00:33:44,549
>> house.

943
00:33:44,559 --> 00:33:47,440
One and a half. I

944
00:33:47,440 --> 00:33:50,000
>> I just think like what you do with that

945
00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:52,640
twotory

946
00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:54,799
the twotory is going to feel much more

947
00:33:54,799 --> 00:33:57,679
intrusive to someone in their backyard.

948
00:33:57,679 --> 00:33:58,240
>> Absolutely.

949
00:33:58,240 --> 00:34:00,320
>> And so I think by doubling it, it

950
00:34:00,320 --> 00:34:02,159
becomes uh

951
00:34:02,159 --> 00:34:03,840
>> and and what that does is it probably

952
00:34:03,840 --> 00:34:06,960
forces the person to do a situation

953
00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:09,280
where they come into like maybe down a

954
00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:11,839
driveway and then they turn into a

955
00:34:11,839 --> 00:34:13,919
garage type of thing. Do you know what I

956
00:34:13,919 --> 00:34:16,560
mean? And so that it just changes the it

957
00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:18,560
changes kind of the nature. I do think

958
00:34:18,560 --> 00:34:20,879
it could end up making some weird stuff

959
00:34:20,879 --> 00:34:22,960
though if people are like this has to be

960
00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:25,200
so narrow so I'm going to have this

961
00:34:25,200 --> 00:34:28,000
weird narrow thing

962
00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:29,520
puts it in the middle of the yard as

963
00:34:29,520 --> 00:34:29,839
well.

964
00:34:29,839 --> 00:34:31,839
>> Well, right. But we do already allow

965
00:34:31,839 --> 00:34:34,159
houses within whatever however many feet

966
00:34:34,159 --> 00:34:35,599
because that's the original thing. I

967
00:34:35,599 --> 00:34:36,800
don't know. I like if you guys want to

968
00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:38,159
do double that's fine but I think one

969
00:34:38,159 --> 00:34:40,079
and a half

970
00:34:40,079 --> 00:34:42,000
makes more sense. If I'm walking if I'm

971
00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:44,720
walking on my like on my you know next

972
00:34:44,720 --> 00:34:47,520
to my in my backyard and I look over and

973
00:34:47,520 --> 00:34:50,159
there's a twostory house that's just

974
00:34:50,159 --> 00:34:52,960
literally only 8 ft away from

975
00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:54,560
>> Well, I'm not saying it should be the

976
00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:55,760
same.

977
00:34:55,760 --> 00:34:58,240
>> But I just don't know that 16 does much

978
00:34:58,240 --> 00:35:00,560
more than 12.

979
00:35:00,560 --> 00:35:02,400
>> I mean it's because it's the we have the

980
00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:04,720
15t rear yard which is our minimum rear

981
00:35:04,720 --> 00:35:06,800
yard allowance.

982
00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:08,240
This just means that we're going to be

983
00:35:08,240 --> 00:35:10,240
right there where the rear yard is

984
00:35:10,240 --> 00:35:11,599
required. So it's

985
00:35:11,599 --> 00:35:13,040
>> What if we make it so it has to fit the

986
00:35:13,040 --> 00:35:16,640
rear yard? Then 15 instead of 16. 15

987
00:35:16,640 --> 00:35:18,720
>> 15. Okay.

988
00:35:18,720 --> 00:35:22,150
15.

989
00:35:22,160 --> 00:35:24,880
» So you do a second story and you have to

990
00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:26,480
match match the

991
00:35:26,480 --> 00:35:28,160
>> Well, the problem with that though is

992
00:35:28,160 --> 00:35:30,240
already now you're 30 feet and you'd be

993
00:35:30,240 --> 00:35:32,720
toast.

994
00:35:32,720 --> 00:35:34,480
>> You couldn't do a second story. You

995
00:35:34,480 --> 00:35:36,160
couldn't do a second story on like one

996
00:35:36,160 --> 00:35:40,079
of the biggest lot sizes available.

997
00:35:40,079 --> 00:35:41,520
>> That's been the complaint of the people

998
00:35:41,520 --> 00:35:43,280
down there with their great big lots is

999
00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:44,880
they don't want people right next to

1000
00:35:44,880 --> 00:35:48,550
them.

1001
00:35:48,560 --> 00:35:49,520
» That seems

1002
00:35:49,520 --> 00:35:51,119
>> I don't think you should have to match

1003
00:35:51,119 --> 00:35:53,200
the rear yard on that one.

1004
00:35:53,200 --> 00:35:55,119
>> And let's just say the rear yard for

1005
00:35:55,119 --> 00:35:57,440
twotory has to be a minimum of 50. I

1006
00:35:57,440 --> 00:35:57,920
think

1007
00:35:57,920 --> 00:36:00,240
>> there you go. Yeah, that's fine.

1008
00:36:00,240 --> 00:36:02,240
>> Don't make it so hard for Jim to fail.

1009
00:36:02,240 --> 00:36:03,680
That's fine. That's fine.

1010
00:36:03,680 --> 00:36:07,359
>> Okay. Okay. So, min minimum rear yard

1011
00:36:07,359 --> 00:36:09,359
has to be 15 ft.

1012
00:36:09,359 --> 00:36:12,160
>> If it's a twotory

1013
00:36:12,160 --> 00:36:14,720
>> either way.

1014
00:36:14,720 --> 00:36:19,040
I think we should be a single story.

1015
00:36:19,040 --> 00:36:20,720
>> But that's No, but that's minimum.

1016
00:36:20,720 --> 00:36:23,760
Yeah. You were saying

1017
00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:24,640
that's

1018
00:36:24,640 --> 00:36:27,599
>> okay. I thought it was less than that's

1019
00:36:27,599 --> 00:36:28,800
so that that's what our code says

1020
00:36:28,800 --> 00:36:30,079
already for dwellings, right? So like

1021
00:36:30,079 --> 00:36:31,680
the minimum setbacks in our code for

1022
00:36:31,680 --> 00:36:34,720
dwelling. Now most other cities if it's

1023
00:36:34,720 --> 00:36:36,720
a single story they allow a lesser

1024
00:36:36,720 --> 00:36:40,400
setback you know [clears throat] than what the dwelling case is. So what

1025
00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:42,800
I've seen and like I put a a spreadsheet

1026
00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:44,480
together. I looked at Brigham City,

1027
00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:47,520
Clinton, Draper, Holiday, Leighton, Mil

1028
00:36:47,520 --> 00:36:49,440
Creek, Murray, Riverdale and Syracuse

1029
00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:51,040
trying to get at least cities that were

1030
00:36:51,040 --> 00:36:52,640
comparable sizes to us but then also get

1031
00:36:52,640 --> 00:36:54,640
some stuff up and down the blocks up

1032
00:36:54,640 --> 00:36:57,359
front. there was like five feet for some

1033
00:36:57,359 --> 00:36:59,520
but then 10 feet was another.

1034
00:36:59,520 --> 00:37:03,119
>> Um but you know I I think for us like we

1035
00:37:03,119 --> 00:37:05,200
would be the most restricted when if we

1036
00:37:05,200 --> 00:37:07,280
were to say just on the two stories that

1037
00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:09,119
it has to match the same setbacks as the

1038
00:37:09,119 --> 00:37:10,880
house but all the other ones like

1039
00:37:10,880 --> 00:37:13,440
they're they're less on the rear setback

1040
00:37:13,440 --> 00:37:15,760
and side setbacks even for a twotory ADU

1041
00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:18,880
than um than we would be wishing. you

1042
00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:20,560
know, based upon the concerns from the

1043
00:37:20,560 --> 00:37:22,320
residents that we've we've heard about.

1044
00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:27,280
I think that establish this is just my thoughts that establishing these

1045
00:37:27,280 --> 00:37:28,800
setbacks is like you have to meet the

1046
00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:30,720
setbacks as the main blowing if it's

1047
00:37:30,720 --> 00:37:32,560
going to be two story like I think

1048
00:37:32,560 --> 00:37:34,480
that's a good base to start with and

1049
00:37:34,480 --> 00:37:36,720
then maybe we discuss like do we want to

1050
00:37:36,720 --> 00:37:39,359
allow some smaller setbacks if it's a

1051
00:37:39,359 --> 00:37:42,560
single story or no not at all right

1052
00:37:42,560 --> 00:37:44,079
>> more flexible in that regard because I

1053
00:37:44,079 --> 00:37:45,839
just think it doesn't make sense for

1054
00:37:45,839 --> 00:37:48,880
smaller lots to match the existing home

1055
00:37:48,880 --> 00:37:50,000
as far as setbacks [clears throat]

1056
00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:51,359
>> but yeah but I know that like there's

1057
00:37:51,359 --> 00:37:56,560
varied opinions on that, you know, and which way do we want to go? Like the

1058
00:37:56,560 --> 00:37:57,920
planning commission's recommendation

1059
00:37:57,920 --> 00:37:59,839
was, you know, I remember commissioner

1060
00:37:59,839 --> 00:38:01,520
Toller was was pretty adamant about like

1061
00:38:01,520 --> 00:38:03,680
let's follow the setbacks that we have

1062
00:38:03,680 --> 00:38:06,079
already established here. And so I want

1063
00:38:06,079 --> 00:38:07,200
to be considerate of the planning

1064
00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:09,359
commission's recommendation as well, you

1065
00:38:09,359 --> 00:38:10,960
know, and what I'm also trying to do is

1066
00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:12,400
do the research of like what everybody

1067
00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:15,280
else is kind of doing um whether it's

1068
00:38:15,280 --> 00:38:16,320
appropriate for us or not.

1069
00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:18,079
>> So your recommendation is follow the

1070
00:38:18,079 --> 00:38:20,320
setbacks for a second story,

1071
00:38:20,320 --> 00:38:22,079
>> right? current setbacks for primary

1072
00:38:22,079 --> 00:38:23,760
residence for a second story.

1073
00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:24,000
>> Yeah.

1074
00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:25,920
>> And then be less restrictive for a

1075
00:38:25,920 --> 00:38:27,040
single or not.

1076
00:38:27,040 --> 00:38:29,440
>> Well, I'd say let's discuss it like if

1077
00:38:29,440 --> 00:38:31,920
we think that that's appropriate or not.

1078
00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:35,910
I I would say that like

1079
00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:37,040
totally fine.

1080
00:38:37,040 --> 00:38:40,079
>> I just I would rather current setbacks

1081
00:38:40,079 --> 00:38:41,760
for single story

1082
00:38:41,760 --> 00:38:43,359
>> and then whatever kind of restricted

1083
00:38:43,359 --> 00:38:45,680
setback beyond that we decide for double

1084
00:38:45,680 --> 00:38:46,000
story.

1085
00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:47,760
>> Okay. But look at the lot size though.

1086
00:38:47,760 --> 00:38:50,516
So 11,000 square foot lot we're allowing

1087
00:38:50,516 --> 00:38:51,119
[clears throat]

1088
00:38:51,119 --> 00:38:56,400
people to build these can't do it

1089
00:38:56,400 --> 00:38:59,440
for now now let's do this what about

1090
00:38:59,440 --> 00:39:01,040
current

1091
00:39:01,040 --> 00:39:03,040
let's say current what how does

1092
00:39:03,040 --> 00:39:06,240
everybody feel about uh distinguishing

1093
00:39:06,240 --> 00:39:11,119
between sideyard and rear yard setbacks.

1094
00:39:11,119 --> 00:39:13,440
So we say

1095
00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:18,720
current sideyard setbacks

1096
00:39:18,720 --> 00:39:21,760
are the same as the

1097
00:39:21,760 --> 00:39:24,240
>> primary Y

1098
00:39:24,240 --> 00:39:33,119
>> okay that's as it is twotory it's [snorts]

1099
00:39:33,119 --> 00:39:37,200
um matches the rear setback. Is that

1100
00:39:37,200 --> 00:39:38,240
what we were thinking?

1101
00:39:38,240 --> 00:39:40,880
>> Yeah. Okay. twotory matches the rear

1102
00:39:40,880 --> 00:39:41,599
setback.

1103
00:39:41,599 --> 00:39:43,760
>> So it's 15 ft on a twotory.

1104
00:39:43,760 --> 00:39:45,839
>> So it be 15.

1105
00:39:45,839 --> 00:39:49,280
Yeah. 15.

1106
00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:51,440
>> But that's the only area where I think

1107
00:39:51,440 --> 00:39:52,480
we should probably

1108
00:39:52,480 --> 00:39:53,760
>> I think the 30 is too much.

1109
00:39:53,760 --> 00:39:55,920
>> Maybe we should. So then let's just say

1110
00:39:55,920 --> 00:39:59,920
15. So twotory has to be twotory just

1111
00:39:59,920 --> 00:40:02,000
has to be 15.

1112
00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:03,359
>> What about the sideyard for

1113
00:40:03,359 --> 00:40:05,040
>> two? That's what we're saying. Twotory

1114
00:40:05,040 --> 00:40:07,680
sideyard has to be 15 and the rear yard

1115
00:40:07,680 --> 00:40:12,079
15. And then and the rear yard rear yard

1116
00:40:12,079 --> 00:40:15,359
has to be 15 on two story

1117
00:40:15,359 --> 00:40:20,720
>> and then on a single story it can be 15

1118
00:40:20,720 --> 00:40:23,839
>> 15 on the rear. On a single story on the

1119
00:40:23,839 --> 00:40:24,640
side,

1120
00:40:24,640 --> 00:40:25,119
>> right?

1121
00:40:25,119 --> 00:40:26,640
>> But if it's the sideyard, you're saying

1122
00:40:26,640 --> 00:40:28,400
it has to be at least 15 ft for a

1123
00:40:28,400 --> 00:40:29,200
twotory.

1124
00:40:29,200 --> 00:40:31,119
>> Okay. But on a single 8t in the

1125
00:40:31,119 --> 00:40:32,720
sideyard. Okay. And 15 back.

1126
00:40:32,720 --> 00:40:33,520
>> That's easy.

1127
00:40:33,520 --> 00:40:35,599
>> Is that easy? two story 15 ft all the

1128
00:40:35,599 --> 00:40:38,240
way around and and a single story is

1129
00:40:38,240 --> 00:40:41,839
whatever's not in that zone 8 ft and

1130
00:40:41,839 --> 00:40:45,040
>> 15t it's 15 for the the back the

1131
00:40:45,040 --> 00:40:46,720
backyard is what we said for single

1132
00:40:46,720 --> 00:40:47,119
story

1133
00:40:47,119 --> 00:40:49,359
>> yeah [clears throat]

1134
00:40:49,359 --> 00:40:53,349
>> and then whatever the side

1135
00:40:53,359 --> 00:40:54,720
want to be a little more restrictive to

1136
00:40:54,720 --> 00:40:59,670
start so that's great good

1137
00:40:59,680 --> 00:41:03,760
» doable for most I mean [clears throat]

1138
00:41:03,760 --> 00:41:05,359
Yeah, it it really depends on how big

1139
00:41:05,359 --> 00:41:07,520
the house is occupying one block, right?

1140
00:41:07,520 --> 00:41:08,880
I mean, I think so. I think if you're

1141
00:41:08,880 --> 00:41:10,720
doing a single story, you can make it

1142
00:41:10,720 --> 00:41:13,200
really good size, you could still make

1143
00:41:13,200 --> 00:41:15,040
it 12. I mean, if you let's remember,

1144
00:41:15,040 --> 00:41:18,480
you could only do 12,200 ft max. So,

1145
00:41:18,480 --> 00:41:21,200
it's not like I mean, if you decide you

1146
00:41:21,200 --> 00:41:23,119
want to do a twotory, you're talking

1147
00:41:23,119 --> 00:41:25,680
about 600 ft on each side. You're going

1148
00:41:25,680 --> 00:41:28,800
to be able to fit that unit. And we did

1149
00:41:28,800 --> 00:41:30,960
the same. So, if there's a garage or

1150
00:41:30,960 --> 00:41:32,400
whatever, then that could be different,

1151
00:41:32,400 --> 00:41:34,800
too. But, you know, to see it in actual

1152
00:41:34,800 --> 00:41:39,829
pictures.

1153
00:41:39,839 --> 00:41:41,040
» So, if you have a pool house, for

1154
00:41:41,040 --> 00:41:42,160
example, and you've got all your

1155
00:41:42,160 --> 00:41:43,599
equipment for the pool house on the main

1156
00:41:43,599 --> 00:41:44,079
floor,

1157
00:41:44,079 --> 00:41:45,040
>> right?

1158
00:41:45,040 --> 00:41:47,599
>> Then livable could be two stories, but

1159
00:41:47,599 --> 00:41:52,480
not to exceed 20 ft, right? I mean,

1160
00:41:52,480 --> 00:41:54,640
>> 20 25

1161
00:41:54,640 --> 00:41:56,720
said the height come up with the height.

1162
00:41:56,720 --> 00:41:58,960
You need to really clarify is a height

1163
00:41:58,960 --> 00:42:01,359
as it defined in in municipal code or is

1164
00:42:01,359 --> 00:42:03,119
a height to bridge for these

1165
00:42:03,119 --> 00:42:04,640
accessories. this ridge. That's what

1166
00:42:04,640 --> 00:42:06,640
late night everybody else has done ridge

1167
00:42:06,640 --> 00:42:12,390
to keep them build that big

1168
00:42:12,400 --> 00:42:14,160
» to the very top.

1169
00:42:14,160 --> 00:42:16,400
>> If we do ridge, if we do ridge, we

1170
00:42:16,400 --> 00:42:19,119
should probably do

1171
00:42:19,119 --> 00:42:32,630
>> 25, [laughter]

1172
00:42:32,640 --> 00:42:35,200
right? It has to still match the

1173
00:42:35,200 --> 00:42:36,480
architecture of the current house.

1174
00:42:36,480 --> 00:42:37,680
>> Yeah, it has to match the architecture

1175
00:42:37,680 --> 00:42:38,960
of the current house. So if your current

1176
00:42:38,960 --> 00:42:41,839
house is a flat roof, fine. But flat

1177
00:42:41,839 --> 00:42:43,760
pitch has to be a pitch.

1178
00:42:43,760 --> 00:42:47,750
>> Chris

1179
00:42:47,760 --> 00:42:50,079
does that need to be spelled out.

1180
00:42:50,079 --> 00:42:51,760
>> That

1181
00:42:51,760 --> 00:42:52,480
was

1182
00:42:52,480 --> 00:42:53,520
>> the pitch.

1183
00:42:53,520 --> 00:42:55,119
>> The house is pitch.

1184
00:42:55,119 --> 00:42:56,560
>> Then it goes to the P.

1185
00:42:56,560 --> 00:42:58,960
>> It's remember these are accessories. No,

1186
00:42:58,960 --> 00:43:00,720
I'm just saying not saying the

1187
00:43:00,720 --> 00:43:03,200
accessory. Does the ADU have to have to

1188
00:43:03,200 --> 00:43:04,640
match the pitch?

1189
00:43:04,640 --> 00:43:12,710
>> Not match the angle.

1190
00:43:12,720 --> 00:43:14,800
» You see a lot of people I think they

1191
00:43:14,800 --> 00:43:19,670
used to build

1192
00:43:19,680 --> 00:43:22,720
12 and 82.

1193
00:43:22,720 --> 00:43:24,800
It just goes from like how steep it is.

1194
00:43:24,800 --> 00:43:27,680
Oh, okay. Like a 1212 would start here

1195
00:43:27,680 --> 00:43:30,720
very steep and a six or 412 would be

1196
00:43:30,720 --> 00:43:31,440
less of an angle

1197
00:43:31,440 --> 00:43:35,109
>> and then more expenses

1198
00:43:35,119 --> 00:43:36,880
ridiculous. It ends up being more roof

1199
00:43:36,880 --> 00:43:38,720
than now it's expensive.

1200
00:43:38,720 --> 00:43:40,240
>> They won't do it anymore because they're

1201
00:43:40,240 --> 00:43:41,040
so expensive.

1202
00:43:41,040 --> 00:43:41,440
>> Okay.

1203
00:43:41,440 --> 00:43:44,319
>> Can you guys explain to me like what the

1204
00:43:44,319 --> 00:43:46,640
not because I disagree, but what what's

1205
00:43:46,640 --> 00:43:49,520
the concern with like having the pitch

1206
00:43:49,520 --> 00:43:51,200
versus a flat? Like do we just think

1207
00:43:51,200 --> 00:43:52,640
that flat houses are unattractive?

1208
00:43:52,640 --> 00:43:55,359
saying if we go to 25 ft like the whole

1209
00:43:55,359 --> 00:43:59,440
point of going to 25 ft uh for a second

1210
00:43:59,440 --> 00:44:02,300
story is the fact that like

1211
00:44:02,300 --> 00:44:04,160
[clears throat] is that we think that

1212
00:44:04,160 --> 00:44:05,599
most people if they're going to match

1213
00:44:05,599 --> 00:44:07,599
their their existing house and they have

1214
00:44:07,599 --> 00:44:10,960
something like this and if it's 20 ft

1215
00:44:10,960 --> 00:44:13,280
then I mean you basically will have like

1216
00:44:13,280 --> 00:44:17,680
this little spot up top for for you know

1217
00:44:17,680 --> 00:44:19,520
because you're talking 20 ft you've got

1218
00:44:19,520 --> 00:44:22,400
the 10 or more feet or I mean a A lot of

1219
00:44:22,400 --> 00:44:24,160
the times people have to build up out of

1220
00:44:24,160 --> 00:44:26,160
the foundation even sometimes, you know.

1221
00:44:26,160 --> 00:44:27,839
But anyway, so you've got this little

1222
00:44:27,839 --> 00:44:29,839
spot here for your living. Well, there's

1223
00:44:29,839 --> 00:44:32,240
not going to be any space up here for

1224
00:44:32,240 --> 00:44:33,920
truly a second floor. So, we're

1225
00:44:33,920 --> 00:44:36,079
eliminating the second floor.

1226
00:44:36,079 --> 00:44:36,400
>> Okay,

1227
00:44:36,400 --> 00:44:37,200
>> that makes sense.

1228
00:44:37,200 --> 00:44:38,160
>> Yeah.

1229
00:44:38,160 --> 00:44:41,359
>> So, by going to 25, we allow we're now

1230
00:44:41,359 --> 00:44:44,480
allowing an actual second floor. But if

1231
00:44:44,480 --> 00:44:47,520
somebody went like this and went to 25

1232
00:44:47,520 --> 00:44:50,560
like this and built a big

1233
00:44:50,560 --> 00:44:54,800
box, it would be Yeah. Obnoxious. So

1234
00:44:54,800 --> 00:44:57,440
>> question for Jim like the current um

1235
00:44:57,440 --> 00:44:59,599
accessory structures the single choice

1236
00:44:59,599 --> 00:45:02,800
accessories are almost all those the the

1237
00:45:02,800 --> 00:45:06,240
minimum set back the one foot right now.

1238
00:45:06,240 --> 00:45:08,640
>> Yeah. Yes, it is. The the minimum is one

1239
00:45:08,640 --> 00:45:10,880
foot for accessory

1240
00:45:10,880 --> 00:45:12,160
over 200 ft.

1241
00:45:12,160 --> 00:45:14,640
>> Okay. So if we require primary structure

1242
00:45:14,640 --> 00:45:18,079
setback on even single story VADUs then

1243
00:45:18,079 --> 00:45:20,240
we're basically prohibiting almost

1244
00:45:20,240 --> 00:45:22,240
anybody from converting their existing

1245
00:45:22,240 --> 00:45:24,240
accessory even if it's a one

1246
00:45:24,240 --> 00:45:26,160
>> closer than 8 ft if they're closer than

1247
00:45:26,160 --> 00:45:28,640
8 ft or 15. Okay.

1248
00:45:28,640 --> 00:45:31,040
>> Yeah. I'm just saying that that's

1249
00:45:31,040 --> 00:45:33,760
even if like you said even if they even

1250
00:45:33,760 --> 00:45:36,079
if they are 8 ft and it's a garage and

1251
00:45:36,079 --> 00:45:37,760
they want to put it up top that becomes

1252
00:45:37,760 --> 00:45:39,920
a twotory. Correct.

1253
00:45:39,920 --> 00:45:41,280
>> And that would mean they'd have to be at

1254
00:45:41,280 --> 00:45:42,400
15 ft. Correct.

1255
00:45:42,400 --> 00:45:44,079
>> Yeah.

1256
00:45:44,079 --> 00:45:45,680
>> I I just want to clarify one thing

1257
00:45:45,680 --> 00:45:47,359
because I'm not I'm because we keep

1258
00:45:47,359 --> 00:45:48,800
talking about these two stories and you

1259
00:45:48,800 --> 00:45:51,280
keep guys want to go taller and taller

1260
00:45:51,280 --> 00:45:52,800
but [clears throat] right now we're

1261
00:45:52,800 --> 00:45:55,920
saying these things are limited in total

1262
00:45:55,920 --> 00:46:01,440
or not. It was 1,200 right? Sorry, 1200.

1263
00:46:01,440 --> 00:46:05,109
So

1264
00:46:05,119 --> 00:46:08,319
if this is a twotory that's telling me

1265
00:46:08,319 --> 00:46:10,000
that's only going to be 600, right?

1266
00:46:10,000 --> 00:46:12,240
>> Yeah. Oh, I thought we had two, 1200 on

1267
00:46:12,240 --> 00:46:16,230
the little

1268
00:46:16,240 --> 00:46:18,800
» gray right here.

1269
00:46:18,800 --> 00:46:20,640
The bottom floor could be a garage is

1270
00:46:20,640 --> 00:46:22,240
what is what

1271
00:46:22,240 --> 00:46:23,680
>> the garage [laughter] if that's still a

1272
00:46:23,680 --> 00:46:25,200
garage then you're going to still then

1273
00:46:25,200 --> 00:46:27,119
you allow them to go 1200 here and then

1274
00:46:27,119 --> 00:46:29,200
1200 second floor.

1275
00:46:29,200 --> 00:46:31,920
>> Yeah, that's correct.

1276
00:46:31,920 --> 00:46:38,069
If the world into a max of livable

1277
00:46:38,079 --> 00:46:40,400
» livable. So it's okay to do a two story

1278
00:46:40,400 --> 00:46:42,960
that's got 12,200 square ft double the

1279
00:46:42,960 --> 00:46:44,000
size of the building.

1280
00:46:44,000 --> 00:46:44,720
>> Yes.

1281
00:46:44,720 --> 00:46:45,359
>> Okay.

1282
00:46:45,359 --> 00:46:47,040
>> Is that really what you want to do? I

1283
00:46:47,040 --> 00:46:48,880
don't

1284
00:46:48,880 --> 00:46:50,400
think

1285
00:46:50,400 --> 00:46:52,560
you have a two car you want if they want

1286
00:46:52,560 --> 00:46:55,359
to put something it's also and also

1287
00:46:55,359 --> 00:46:58,480
remember that it has to be that that

1288
00:46:58,480 --> 00:47:01,440
would be

1289
00:47:01,440 --> 00:47:04,720
the footprint of the house.

1290
00:47:04,720 --> 00:47:06,480
So, whatever that building,

1291
00:47:06,480 --> 00:47:08,640
>> that's a big deal because, you know, I

1292
00:47:08,640 --> 00:47:09,839
was assuming that you were saying,

1293
00:47:09,839 --> 00:47:12,160
"Okay, now you're saying I'm going to

1294
00:47:12,160 --> 00:47:14,800
turn this into a garage." Now, this

1295
00:47:14,800 --> 00:47:17,440
could be 1,200.

1296
00:47:17,440 --> 00:47:19,599
Yes.

1297
00:47:19,599 --> 00:47:21,680
>> Yeah.

1298
00:47:21,680 --> 00:47:23,359
>> I really think it only fits on extremely

1299
00:47:23,359 --> 00:47:24,880
large lots. Yeah.

1300
00:47:24,880 --> 00:47:26,880
>> Yeah. That would only probably would

1301
00:47:26,880 --> 00:47:28,480
only fit on an extremely large lot

1302
00:47:28,480 --> 00:47:30,319
because you need a footprint that was

1303
00:47:30,319 --> 00:47:33,760
2400 of the original house. And so now

1304
00:47:33,760 --> 00:47:34,880
>> that 12 foot

1305
00:47:34,880 --> 00:47:37,760
>> now that house is going to be half of

1306
00:47:37,760 --> 00:47:39,520
the size.

1307
00:47:39,520 --> 00:47:41,599
>> You got to make it half the size of the

1308
00:47:41,599 --> 00:47:43,760
front house.

1309
00:47:43,760 --> 00:47:46,960
>> Yeah. Okay. So 50% of the footprint of

1310
00:47:46,960 --> 00:47:49,599
this is as big as it could be though.

1311
00:47:49,599 --> 00:47:49,920
Yes.

1312
00:47:49,920 --> 00:47:51,839
>> So that's got to include the detached

1313
00:47:51,839 --> 00:47:52,880
also, right?

1314
00:47:52,880 --> 00:47:56,079
>> That that's correct. Okay. All right.

1315
00:47:56,079 --> 00:47:56,640
>> What [clears throat] you're talking

1316
00:47:56,640 --> 00:47:58,160
about that can that has to include the

1317
00:47:58,160 --> 00:47:58,960
garage.

1318
00:47:58,960 --> 00:48:00,640
>> Yeah, that includes the attached garage

1319
00:48:00,640 --> 00:48:03,839
of the home. Yes. Yes, because you're

1320
00:48:03,839 --> 00:48:07,599
saying, let's say this right now is is

1321
00:48:07,599 --> 00:48:10,319
3,000 square ft total, which would be

1322
00:48:10,319 --> 00:48:13,200
includes a garage%

1323
00:48:13,200 --> 00:48:16,560
of that. So, 15 is the max.

1324
00:48:16,560 --> 00:48:18,240
>> No,

1325
00:48:18,240 --> 00:48:21,040
the max 400

1326
00:48:21,040 --> 00:48:23,040
>> whatever's least.

1327
00:48:23,040 --> 00:48:25,200
>> So, like you look at my house is my

1328
00:48:25,200 --> 00:48:27,839
house is a twostory. [clears throat] If

1329
00:48:27,839 --> 00:48:29,520
you're if you're okay with a 12,200

1330
00:48:29,520 --> 00:48:32,000
square foot second floor maybe is I'm

1331
00:48:32,000 --> 00:48:34,960
not but I don't like them anyway but I

1332
00:48:34,960 --> 00:48:38,549
want to move on. [laughter]

1333
00:48:38,559 --> 00:48:40,000
» All right. [clears throat] So we're just

1334
00:48:40,000 --> 00:48:43,040
to clarify where we're at. So we're

1335
00:48:43,040 --> 00:48:45,520
saying two stories allowed with 15 foot

1336
00:48:45,520 --> 00:48:47,920
sideard set back 15 foot rear yard. Yes.

1337
00:48:47,920 --> 00:48:48,400
>> Correct.

1338
00:48:48,400 --> 00:48:50,319
>> Right. So that's that's what I tried to

1339
00:48:50,319 --> 00:48:51,920
show. Right. That's what we're saying.

1340
00:48:51,920 --> 00:48:52,400
>> Yeah.

1341
00:48:52,400 --> 00:48:55,440
>> It's single story 15t rear 8 foot set

1342
00:48:55,440 --> 00:48:57,760
essentially matching what's here. Yeah.

1343
00:48:57,760 --> 00:49:00,400
>> And then if it's a twotory 15 on both.

1344
00:49:00,400 --> 00:49:02,240
>> And this is only on ADUs. This isn't if

1345
00:49:02,240 --> 00:49:03,760
someone just wants to build a garage,

1346
00:49:03,760 --> 00:49:07,990
>> right?

1347
00:49:08,000 --> 00:49:11,520
» And you were saying 25 foot max height.

1348
00:49:11,520 --> 00:49:13,760
>> Yeah. And the concern that Jason brought

1349
00:49:13,760 --> 00:49:15,359
up is that like state code did say that

1350
00:49:15,359 --> 00:49:16,960
like we need to provide a process to

1351
00:49:16,960 --> 00:49:18,319
allow people to convert existing

1352
00:49:18,319 --> 00:49:20,880
structures. But

1353
00:49:20,880 --> 00:49:22,319
>> yeah, but I think it's simple to say

1354
00:49:22,319 --> 00:49:24,559
that like yeah, we can allow you to

1355
00:49:24,559 --> 00:49:25,874
convert it of an existing

1356
00:49:25,874 --> 00:49:26,880
[clears throat] structure if you're

1357
00:49:26,880 --> 00:49:28,079
still going to meet the setbacks of what

1358
00:49:28,079 --> 00:49:29,359
we're proposing. So

1359
00:49:29,359 --> 00:49:31,119
>> what state code said I don't think

1360
00:49:31,119 --> 00:49:32,720
automatically pigeon holes us into

1361
00:49:32,720 --> 00:49:34,880
saying well the structures one foot off

1362
00:49:34,880 --> 00:49:37,040
on either side, we have to allow them to

1363
00:49:37,040 --> 00:49:38,559
convert it. I think that we still can

1364
00:49:38,559 --> 00:49:39,680
say

1365
00:49:39,680 --> 00:49:41,040
>> if your structure doesn't meet the

1366
00:49:41,040 --> 00:49:42,720
setbacks of what would be required for

1367
00:49:42,720 --> 00:49:44,559
the DADU, then you still can't convert

1368
00:49:44,559 --> 00:49:46,880
it.

1369
00:49:46,880 --> 00:49:48,079
>> Perfect. Great.

1370
00:49:48,079 --> 00:49:55,990
>> All right. Okay.

1371
00:49:56,000 --> 00:49:57,760
» I think

1372
00:49:57,760 --> 00:50:01,680
we did a little bit about already. So, I

1373
00:50:01,680 --> 00:50:05,510
think we're good on

1374
00:50:05,520 --> 00:50:07,440
this

1375
00:50:07,440 --> 00:50:09,200
meeting I feel like. But what do you

1376
00:50:09,200 --> 00:50:10,880
guys think about shaped glass?

1377
00:50:10,880 --> 00:50:14,240
>> I think if it's odd shaped blocking

1378
00:50:14,240 --> 00:50:15,839
commission city council.

1379
00:50:15,839 --> 00:50:17,520
>> No. What? How do we find an odd shaped

1380
00:50:17,520 --> 00:50:21,680
block? too. I want

1381
00:50:21,680 --> 00:50:22,800
>> a minute.

1382
00:50:22,800 --> 00:50:24,559
>> Our ordinance is very clear what a

1383
00:50:24,559 --> 00:50:26,880
sideyard is, what a rear yard is. It's

1384
00:50:26,880 --> 00:50:28,960
not It doesn't matter what the shape of

1385
00:50:28,960 --> 00:50:31,280
the lot is. It's very clear. Jim will be

1386
00:50:31,280 --> 00:50:33,200
able to determine whether that is a side

1387
00:50:33,200 --> 00:50:34,800
or a rear yard.

1388
00:50:34,800 --> 00:50:36,559
>> Have special consideration.

1389
00:50:36,559 --> 00:50:39,599
>> We've actually

1390
00:50:39,599 --> 00:50:41,359
had that. There's a nice graphic on our

1391
00:50:41,359 --> 00:50:43,200
website that shows odd shaped lots and

1392
00:50:43,200 --> 00:50:45,119
like how you determine sideyard and

1393
00:50:45,119 --> 00:50:46,960
everything.

1394
00:50:46,960 --> 00:50:49,200
Um, but that [clears throat] that could

1395
00:50:49,200 --> 00:50:52,400
be useful. I mean that this is like gets

1396
00:50:52,400 --> 00:50:54,960
in back into

1397
00:50:54,960 --> 00:50:59,440
Yeah, maybe your house doesn't fit mold.

1398
00:50:59,440 --> 00:51:01,599
You can't do it. It's just like that is

1399
00:51:01,599 --> 00:51:04,640
just what it is, right? Like

1400
00:51:04,640 --> 00:51:07,119
>> I don't know why we should make it so

1401
00:51:07,119 --> 00:51:09,440
that everybody could do an edu. It's

1402
00:51:09,440 --> 00:51:10,960
like if you can't do it, you can't do

1403
00:51:10,960 --> 00:51:12,400
it. There's a reason you can't do it

1404
00:51:12,400 --> 00:51:13,839
because you shape

1405
00:51:13,839 --> 00:51:20,309
>> off.

1406
00:51:20,319 --> 00:51:22,160
Defense that seems simple, right?

1407
00:51:22,160 --> 00:51:23,040
>> I think so.

1408
00:51:23,040 --> 00:51:23,839
>> I do. Okay.

1409
00:51:23,839 --> 00:51:25,280
>> I'm not a building inspector.

1410
00:51:25,280 --> 00:51:32,950
>> Yeah.

1411
00:51:32,960 --> 00:51:35,680
» Okay.

1412
00:51:35,680 --> 00:51:37,920
So, we're good with that.

1413
00:51:37,920 --> 00:51:39,680
>> You want to skip that for now? Wait,

1414
00:51:39,680 --> 00:51:44,800
what is that later on? Um,

1415
00:51:44,800 --> 00:51:50,079
>> when we do the accessory structure,

1416
00:51:50,079 --> 00:52:00,150
>> that might be what the staffing work on

1417
00:52:00,160 --> 00:52:02,160
that anymore.

1418
00:52:02,160 --> 00:52:04,559
>> I do like the idea of a frosted window.

1419
00:52:04,559 --> 00:52:04,800
Yeah.

1420
00:52:04,800 --> 00:52:07,280
>> Can we add that somewhere?

1421
00:52:07,280 --> 00:52:15,910
>> So, if it Well, okay. Well, we're 15t

1422
00:52:15,920 --> 00:52:17,359
cuz when you get a set of plans, it

1423
00:52:17,359 --> 00:52:18,400
doesn't tell you whether a window's

1424
00:52:18,400 --> 00:52:19,460
frosted. It tells you whether it's

1425
00:52:19,460 --> 00:52:21,599
[snorts] vertical or horizontal.

1426
00:52:21,599 --> 00:52:25,430
>> Okay.

1427
00:52:25,440 --> 00:52:27,200
So, the next one is architectural

1428
00:52:27,200 --> 00:52:29,760
design. So, the current code says it's

1429
00:52:29,760 --> 00:52:32,480
got that weird language. It says what

1430
00:52:32,480 --> 00:52:34,720
allows a D design to be consistent with

1431
00:52:34,720 --> 00:52:35,920
the main building. So, we're just going

1432
00:52:35,920 --> 00:52:36,640
to

1433
00:52:36,640 --> 00:52:38,880
>> use that language. lift it right out of

1434
00:52:38,880 --> 00:52:42,640
the state code, right?

1435
00:52:42,640 --> 00:52:44,720
>> And that will probably be cleared up

1436
00:52:44,720 --> 00:52:47,040
later on, right Katie? Sounds like the

1437
00:52:47,040 --> 00:52:49,119
legislator is going to clarify what that

1438
00:52:49,119 --> 00:52:50,640
means, but for now, we'll just use that

1439
00:52:50,640 --> 00:52:51,599
language.

1440
00:52:51,599 --> 00:52:52,160
>> Okay.

1441
00:52:52,160 --> 00:52:54,720
>> So, we can't roof style. We can't have a

1442
00:52:54,720 --> 00:53:00,710
say.

1443
00:53:00,720 --> 00:53:03,680
I think that would be considered.

1444
00:53:03,680 --> 00:53:05,119
>> That's at least how I would treat it. So

1445
00:53:05,119 --> 00:53:06,720
I can

1446
00:53:06,720 --> 00:53:10,160
>> if if a plan comes in at the AU and

1447
00:53:10,160 --> 00:53:12,400
we've got a house that has a a pitch.

1448
00:53:12,400 --> 00:53:14,880
>> I can't stop the double talking. I can't

1449
00:53:14,880 --> 00:53:17,280
hear. [clears throat]

1450
00:53:17,280 --> 00:53:18,480
>> Yeah.

1451
00:53:18,480 --> 00:53:20,240
My understanding is that like if I

1452
00:53:20,240 --> 00:53:21,520
were to have a permit that would come in

1453
00:53:21,520 --> 00:53:25,599
and it had the single family home was a pitched roof and they wanted to do a

1454
00:53:25,599 --> 00:53:28,240
flat roof with the DADU, I would reject

1455
00:53:28,240 --> 00:53:30,480
that and say you have to be consistent

1456
00:53:30,480 --> 00:53:32,160
with the with the primary drawing. This

1457
00:53:32,160 --> 00:53:34,240
is inconsistent. you know, if they

1458
00:53:34,240 --> 00:53:36,000
wanted to push on that, you know, again,

1459
00:53:36,000 --> 00:53:37,599
like it'll probably get cleared up in

1460
00:53:37,599 --> 00:53:39,760
the legislative session, but at least

1461
00:53:39,760 --> 00:53:42,319
for now, that's how I would look at it.

1462
00:53:42,319 --> 00:53:45,040
>> Jim brought a good point is would a

1463
00:53:45,040 --> 00:53:47,200
singlestory home wanting to build a

1464
00:53:47,200 --> 00:53:49,359
doublestory ADU, would that fall under

1465
00:53:49,359 --> 00:53:51,920
consistent with

1466
00:53:51,920 --> 00:53:54,720
>> um I don't think so, but that I also

1467
00:53:54,720 --> 00:53:55,520
feel like

1468
00:53:55,520 --> 00:53:56,160
>> single story,

1469
00:53:56,160 --> 00:53:58,000
>> if it's a singlestory home,

1470
00:53:58,000 --> 00:53:58,880
>> height requirement.

1471
00:53:58,880 --> 00:54:00,240
>> Yeah. Would the height requirement come

1472
00:54:00,240 --> 00:54:02,559
into play? Like is it that we would have

1473
00:54:02,559 --> 00:54:05,599
a 30 foot singlestory home? Probably

1474
00:54:05,599 --> 00:54:08,319
not. That'd be a really big

1475
00:54:08,319 --> 00:54:10,400
we decided that the accessory the

1476
00:54:10,400 --> 00:54:12,160
detached accessory dwelling unit cannot

1477
00:54:12,160 --> 00:54:17,349
exceed the height of the main

1478
00:54:17,359 --> 00:54:20,470
25.

1479
00:54:20,480 --> 00:54:22,480
» That certainly restricts some of our

1480
00:54:22,480 --> 00:54:24,800
smaller homes. You know, we're on big

1481
00:54:24,800 --> 00:54:26,640
watch. You know those those older homes

1482
00:54:26,640 --> 00:54:30,470
that are they're very

1483
00:54:30,480 --> 00:54:32,240
» 27

1484
00:54:32,240 --> 00:54:35,040
the cannot exist.

1485
00:54:35,040 --> 00:54:35,760
Right. Right.

1486
00:54:35,760 --> 00:54:37,359
>> But you may have a singlestory house

1487
00:54:37,359 --> 00:54:39,839
that's only 16 ft tall. So you can't

1488
00:54:39,839 --> 00:54:41,920
build taller that.

1489
00:54:41,920 --> 00:54:43,599
>> Yeah. And I think the importance of that

1490
00:54:43,599 --> 00:54:46,160
is we don't want to have the massing of

1491
00:54:46,160 --> 00:54:49,839
that second the the DADU be

1492
00:54:49,839 --> 00:54:51,280
you know truck the single family home

1493
00:54:51,280 --> 00:54:52,720
because it's accessory to the home. So,

1494
00:54:52,720 --> 00:54:55,040
I want to make sure that it's it's the

1495
00:54:55,040 --> 00:54:56,640
single family home is prominent on the

1496
00:54:56,640 --> 00:54:57,040
property.

1497
00:54:57,040 --> 00:54:58,640
>> Yes.

1498
00:54:58,640 --> 00:54:59,440
>> All right.

1499
00:54:59,440 --> 00:55:01,280
>> Agree.

1500
00:55:01,280 --> 00:55:02,559
>> And yeah, we're just going to have to

1501
00:55:02,559 --> 00:55:04,480
wait for clarity from the state of the

1502
00:55:04,480 --> 00:55:05,839
rest of that meeting.

1503
00:55:05,839 --> 00:55:07,680
>> Yeah. Okay.

1504
00:55:07,680 --> 00:55:09,359
>> One more.

1505
00:55:09,359 --> 00:55:10,960
I I agree with everything he said

1506
00:55:10,960 --> 00:55:12,400
specifically.

1507
00:55:12,400 --> 00:55:13,839
>> 100%.

1508
00:55:13,839 --> 00:55:16,559
>> But what if it's a This is where Man,

1509
00:55:16,559 --> 00:55:18,880
even Cameron couldn't answer this one.

1510
00:55:18,880 --> 00:55:22,720
>> Yeah. So, and and and it'll get fixed, I

1511
00:55:22,720 --> 00:55:25,119
think. But it says right now in the

1512
00:55:25,119 --> 00:55:28,160
statute, you cannot regulate exterior

1513
00:55:28,160 --> 00:55:29,680
cladding,

1514
00:55:29,680 --> 00:55:32,559
right? So, if the house is stuck on this

1515
00:55:32,559 --> 00:55:34,400
brick,

1516
00:55:34,400 --> 00:55:37,119
>> and I say the city cannot reject it if

1517
00:55:37,119 --> 00:55:42,470
they want to put vinyl siding on it.

1518
00:55:42,480 --> 00:55:43,760
» Yeah.

1519
00:55:43,760 --> 00:55:46,559
>> I want to say we can. I wish we could,

1520
00:55:46,559 --> 00:55:48,400
but

1521
00:55:48,400 --> 00:55:49,839
>> it's the language. We're just going to

1522
00:55:49,839 --> 00:55:51,839
wait for the state to clean that up

1523
00:55:51,839 --> 00:55:52,400
before.

1524
00:55:52,400 --> 00:55:55,280
>> So, I think for me, at least in my

1525
00:55:55,280 --> 00:55:57,920
experience, I would want to work with

1526
00:55:57,920 --> 00:55:59,760
the person and at least push back on it

1527
00:55:59,760 --> 00:56:01,760
as much as I can to be like, look,

1528
00:56:01,760 --> 00:56:05,599
>> can you at least do something? Maybe if you're going to do vinyl, then

1529
00:56:05,599 --> 00:56:07,680
add some brick somewhere. So then that

1530
00:56:07,680 --> 00:56:10,079
way there is a way that ties them

1531
00:56:10,079 --> 00:56:12,799
together. Okay. And that's I just want

1532
00:56:12,799 --> 00:56:14,799
to make sure I want us I want as a

1533
00:56:14,799 --> 00:56:17,119
council to know what your guys' policy

1534
00:56:17,119 --> 00:56:19,520
is going to be doing that because if you

1535
00:56:19,520 --> 00:56:21,920
do that you're now going to be enforcing

1536
00:56:21,920 --> 00:56:23,599
covenants

1537
00:56:23,599 --> 00:56:25,440
somewhat protected covenants which is

1538
00:56:25,440 --> 00:56:27,599
what we always wanted to set set you

1539
00:56:27,599 --> 00:56:29,040
want to set a city up to fail

1540
00:56:29,040 --> 00:56:31,599
immediately start enforcing protective

1541
00:56:31,599 --> 00:56:36,000
covenants but but that is defining what

1542
00:56:36,000 --> 00:56:37,280
the structure is supposed to look like.

1543
00:56:37,280 --> 00:56:38,799
No, it isn't because I think it's

1544
00:56:38,799 --> 00:56:40,720
exactly the example he said. It's if you

1545
00:56:40,720 --> 00:56:42,960
have a pitched roof on a house and

1546
00:56:42,960 --> 00:56:44,960
whatnot and it's framed, then you kind

1547
00:56:44,960 --> 00:56:46,640
of got to match a pitched roof and

1548
00:56:46,640 --> 00:56:49,200
frame. I can't put a ConX box in.

1549
00:56:49,200 --> 00:56:51,599
>> No, but but there are ones that say 50%

1550
00:56:51,599 --> 00:56:54,240
has to be brick and 50%, right? That's

1551
00:56:54,240 --> 00:56:55,200
what I'm saying.

1552
00:56:55,200 --> 00:56:56,400
>> Because that is defining how it's

1553
00:56:56,400 --> 00:56:57,119
supposed to be looking.

1554
00:56:57,119 --> 00:56:58,480
>> Yeah, but I wouldn't be diving into the

1555
00:56:58,480 --> 00:57:02,000
co need to do this. I would still be,

1556
00:57:02,000 --> 00:57:03,839
you know, staying on the broad stance of

1557
00:57:03,839 --> 00:57:05,440
like it needs to at least look like the

1558
00:57:05,440 --> 00:57:07,920
house. If you have more restrictive

1559
00:57:07,920 --> 00:57:09,680
covenants, then work that out with your

1560
00:57:09,680 --> 00:57:12,079
HOA in your neighborhood. But I'm not

1561
00:57:12,079 --> 00:57:12,640
going to be

1562
00:57:12,640 --> 00:57:14,319
>> We do have a check box to say we know

1563
00:57:14,319 --> 00:57:17,280
we're violating the covenants of our

1564
00:57:17,280 --> 00:57:18,480
thing by doing this.

1565
00:57:18,480 --> 00:57:19,760
>> I know you guys have talked about that.

1566
00:57:19,760 --> 00:57:22,400
>> We should do that. Say, you know what?

1567
00:57:22,400 --> 00:57:24,559
We're going to we're going to do a conx

1568
00:57:24,559 --> 00:57:25,839
box and we know that this is not

1569
00:57:25,839 --> 00:57:27,599
permitted.

1570
00:57:27,599 --> 00:57:28,960
>> That might be good. Good. I don't know.

1571
00:57:28,960 --> 00:57:30,559
What do you think?

1572
00:57:30,559 --> 00:57:32,000
>> Not that we're enforcing it, but just to

1573
00:57:32,000 --> 00:57:33,119
say, hey, we want to know that you've at

1574
00:57:33,119 --> 00:57:34,559
least talked to your HOA.

1575
00:57:34,559 --> 00:57:36,240
>> Yeah. What do you want to do, Jim?

1576
00:57:36,240 --> 00:57:38,799
You're the one that's going to you.

1577
00:57:38,799 --> 00:57:41,920
>> I absolutely do not want to be involved

1578
00:57:41,920 --> 00:57:44,400
in design or cladding, right? That's a

1579
00:57:44,400 --> 00:57:46,079
If you want to live in a neighborhood

1580
00:57:46,079 --> 00:57:47,599
that has those kind of standards and

1581
00:57:47,599 --> 00:57:50,160
strict guidelines, then move there and

1582
00:57:50,160 --> 00:57:51,440
move into a neighborhood that will

1583
00:57:51,440 --> 00:57:53,119
enforce it. I don't think the city

1584
00:57:53,119 --> 00:57:54,960
should get involved in that because

1585
00:57:54,960 --> 00:57:56,640
there's no way to enforce it is the

1586
00:57:56,640 --> 00:57:58,720
biggest reason, right? and then you go

1587
00:57:58,720 --> 00:58:01,440
down this rabbit hole of

1588
00:58:01,440 --> 00:58:03,200
it would explode into something that

1589
00:58:03,200 --> 00:58:04,960
we're just doing enforcement rather

1590
00:58:04,960 --> 00:58:07,119
than, you know, our main objective which

1591
00:58:07,119 --> 00:58:10,400
is getting people into homes. And so

1592
00:58:10,400 --> 00:58:12,400
I just don't think it's a good idea to

1593
00:58:12,400 --> 00:58:17,040
be in the design business and that's a neighborhood. Yeah. And and I'm

1594
00:58:17,040 --> 00:58:18,240
not saying that like I would be

1595
00:58:18,240 --> 00:58:20,079
enforcing any covenants at all. It would

1596
00:58:20,079 --> 00:58:21,520
just be that like if I've got something

1597
00:58:21,520 --> 00:58:24,000
that it it looks like it's inconsistent

1598
00:58:24,000 --> 00:58:24,960
with the house

1599
00:58:24,960 --> 00:58:27,839
>> Yeah. I would ask them to at least that

1600
00:58:27,839 --> 00:58:29,359
would be my stance is like try to make

1601
00:58:29,359 --> 00:58:30,960
it look like the house but I can't tell

1602
00:58:30,960 --> 00:58:32,559
you what that

1603
00:58:32,559 --> 00:58:34,400
>> but if you do neighbors that come in and

1604
00:58:34,400 --> 00:58:37,760
are are willing to really push the issue

1605
00:58:37,760 --> 00:58:39,760
the language is clear that you it

1606
00:58:39,760 --> 00:58:41,280
doesn't mean it right and you have to

1607
00:58:41,280 --> 00:58:42,880
defend that and you cannot defend that

1608
00:58:42,880 --> 00:58:44,799
because it's you can't pick and pull

1609
00:58:44,799 --> 00:58:45,760
what you're going to allow and what

1610
00:58:45,760 --> 00:58:50,880
you're not going to allow either. And I wonder too like do we want to have

1611
00:58:50,880 --> 00:58:53,119
the neighbors say whether or not they

1612
00:58:53,119 --> 00:58:54,640
looked at the covenants or should we

1613
00:58:54,640 --> 00:58:55,760
have something that's on our permits

1614
00:58:55,760 --> 00:58:58,240
that say that like this the city's

1615
00:58:58,240 --> 00:59:01,520
approval does not consider covenants or

1616
00:59:01,520 --> 00:59:03,280
why do that isn't it already on your

1617
00:59:03,280 --> 00:59:05,920
permit there's a big old I mean that

1618
00:59:05,920 --> 00:59:09,040
past councils made the city come up with

1619
00:59:09,040 --> 00:59:11,599
a when they sign that building permit

1620
00:59:11,599 --> 00:59:13,839
it's got a statement there that says

1621
00:59:13,839 --> 00:59:16,079
city is absolutely not responsible for

1622
00:59:16,079 --> 00:59:18,000
any covenants that's up to you and you

1623
00:59:18,000 --> 00:59:19,760
want to do your own in your subdivision

1624
00:59:19,760 --> 00:59:20,880
and we do not

1625
00:59:20,880 --> 00:59:21,680
>> Yeah,

1626
00:59:21,680 --> 00:59:23,520
>> you have to sign that when you took out

1627
00:59:23,520 --> 00:59:25,359
your building. Well, ultimately like how

1628
00:59:25,359 --> 00:59:26,880
I approach this, like I want to make

1629
00:59:26,880 --> 00:59:29,200
sure that I'm I'm approaching it in

1630
00:59:29,200 --> 00:59:30,640
support of what the council's vision is

1631
00:59:30,640 --> 00:59:32,319
on this. So, if if somebody were to come

1632
00:59:32,319 --> 00:59:34,640
forward and the home is Stuckco and

1633
00:59:34,640 --> 00:59:36,960
brick and they have a vinyl one, if you

1634
00:59:36,960 --> 00:59:38,400
would rather have us look at it and just

1635
00:59:38,400 --> 00:59:41,760
say we can't regulate materials,

1636
00:59:41,760 --> 00:59:44,160
like it has to kind of look like the

1637
00:59:44,160 --> 00:59:45,680
house. Like if the house has a picture

1638
00:59:45,680 --> 00:59:47,839
roof, you've got a picture roof, but

1639
00:59:47,839 --> 00:59:49,599
>> and just completely stay away from the

1640
00:59:49,599 --> 00:59:51,680
materials, we can do that. Or if you

1641
00:59:51,680 --> 00:59:53,599
want us to be like, hey, you need to

1642
00:59:53,599 --> 00:59:55,040
look try to look more like the house,

1643
00:59:55,040 --> 00:59:56,880
but then not get into the details of the

1644
00:59:56,880 --> 00:59:58,799
commitments, which I we never want to

1645
00:59:58,799 --> 01:00:01,040
do. That's like I agree with you 100%.

1646
01:00:01,040 --> 01:00:02,160
Like that just

1647
01:00:02,160 --> 01:00:04,559
>> puts us in a really bad bad spot.

1648
01:00:04,559 --> 01:00:05,760
>> And when you want to sue somebody,

1649
01:00:05,760 --> 01:00:07,520
cities are much easier to sue than

1650
01:00:07,520 --> 01:00:08,960
private individuals.

1651
01:00:08,960 --> 01:00:10,960
>> Yeah.

1652
01:00:10,960 --> 01:00:13,119
So, is it wrong to have them check a box

1653
01:00:13,119 --> 01:00:16,400
that says we have we are aware of the

1654
01:00:16,400 --> 01:00:18,079
covenants and restrictions? We have read

1655
01:00:18,079 --> 01:00:19,440
them.

1656
01:00:19,440 --> 01:00:20,640
>> We're not going to enforce it. We're not

1657
01:00:20,640 --> 01:00:21,599
going to know anything about it, but

1658
01:00:21,599 --> 01:00:23,359
they can at least check a box.

1659
01:00:23,359 --> 01:00:25,359
>> Check a box if they know their CCS or

1660
01:00:25,359 --> 01:00:26,240
the HOA rules

1661
01:00:26,240 --> 01:00:30,870
>> because they've at least looked at it.

1662
01:00:30,880 --> 01:00:32,480
» We want to make sure you at least have

1663
01:00:32,480 --> 01:00:34,640
acknowledged that you're aware and you

1664
01:00:34,640 --> 01:00:36,480
>> and even if they say yeah and you're

1665
01:00:36,480 --> 01:00:39,440
totally right, not on us because Yeah.

1666
01:00:39,440 --> 01:00:41,119
Because if it ends up being like a civil

1667
01:00:41,119 --> 01:00:41,680
lawsuit,

1668
01:00:41,680 --> 01:00:42,400
>> civil situation

1669
01:00:42,400 --> 01:00:44,319
>> then you know and they where the grandma

1670
01:00:44,319 --> 01:00:47,599
requests that then it's like but they said that that that becomes part of

1671
01:00:47,599 --> 01:00:50,480
their civil doesn't pull us out of it.

1672
01:00:50,480 --> 01:00:51,920
>> I think that works. We actually did that

1673
01:00:51,920 --> 01:00:54,000
dirty thing in my last city. We switched

1674
01:00:54,000 --> 01:00:56,559
our application just check box. I

1675
01:00:56,559 --> 01:00:58,960
acknowledge I I'm aware of my HA rules

1676
01:00:58,960 --> 01:01:01,599
and I and then that's all we did. And if

1677
01:01:01,599 --> 01:01:03,359
they violated them still or they lied

1678
01:01:03,359 --> 01:01:05,280
completely then that wasn't on us and

1679
01:01:05,280 --> 01:01:05,599
>> right

1680
01:01:05,599 --> 01:01:07,200
>> there have been some litigation cases

1681
01:01:07,200 --> 01:01:09,599
and we were completely you know um free

1682
01:01:09,599 --> 01:01:10,880
of any

1683
01:01:10,880 --> 01:01:13,680
>> they do that prior to submittal of the

1684
01:01:13,680 --> 01:01:15,760
building permit as opposed to when they

1685
01:01:15,760 --> 01:01:17,280
pick up the permit.

1686
01:01:17,280 --> 01:01:20,000
>> Oh yeah prior to that prior to what's

1687
01:01:20,000 --> 01:01:20,640
what works for you

1688
01:01:20,640 --> 01:01:21,280
>> I assume that's

1689
01:01:21,280 --> 01:01:22,559
>> you're the you're the one that's going

1690
01:01:22,559 --> 01:01:24,559
to get the crap right. So, it's got to

1691
01:01:24,559 --> 01:01:26,240
be a policy that you can deal with. I

1692
01:01:26,240 --> 01:01:28,160
>> I just like this the verbiage on the on

1693
01:01:28,160 --> 01:01:29,920
the permit that just says, "Hey, this is

1694
01:01:29,920 --> 01:01:32,240
independent of any any other contractual

1695
01:01:32,240 --> 01:01:34,079
agreements you've made with anybody

1696
01:01:34,079 --> 01:01:36,559
else, right?" So, the box is fine, too.

1697
01:01:36,559 --> 01:01:39,040
>> And should this be any box that's on all

1698
01:01:39,040 --> 01:01:41,040
of our permits, not just DAD use?

1699
01:01:41,040 --> 01:01:44,150
Because

1700
01:01:44,160 --> 01:01:46,880
» for it's on there right now unless you

1701
01:01:46,880 --> 01:01:47,839
change your

1702
01:01:47,839 --> 01:01:49,599
>> I don't believe so.

1703
01:01:49,599 --> 01:01:52,160
>> You haven't changed. It's there now.

1704
01:01:52,160 --> 01:01:52,960
just

1705
01:01:52,960 --> 01:01:54,640
>> probably Yeah. Could we add it to city

1706
01:01:54,640 --> 01:01:56,640
inspect where it's like it's just a

1707
01:01:56,640 --> 01:01:57,200
>> guess they're going [clears throat]

1708
01:01:57,200 --> 01:01:59,119
through submitting the permit?

1709
01:01:59,119 --> 01:02:01,119
>> As they as they as they apply for the

1710
01:02:01,119 --> 01:02:01,920
permit.

1711
01:02:01,920 --> 01:02:03,040
>> Sure.

1712
01:02:03,040 --> 01:02:04,799
>> And maybe it's just a

1713
01:02:04,799 --> 01:02:06,799
>> Yeah, they check the box regardless,

1714
01:02:06,799 --> 01:02:07,040
right?

1715
01:02:07,040 --> 01:02:08,880
>> Yeah, we have we have lots of checklists

1716
01:02:08,880 --> 01:02:10,720
as we go through. We can we can add one.

1717
01:02:10,720 --> 01:02:11,119
Sure.

1718
01:02:11,119 --> 01:02:13,200
>> Add a checklist. I like it.

1719
01:02:13,200 --> 01:02:15,760
>> No, it just says that you that you've

1720
01:02:15,760 --> 01:02:18,079
complied with or Yeah.

1721
01:02:18,079 --> 01:02:19,599
>> you've at least looked at

1722
01:02:19,599 --> 01:02:22,000
>> Yeah. So someone can't say I had no idea

1723
01:02:22,000 --> 01:02:24,000
when all their neighbors want to stone.

1724
01:02:24,000 --> 01:02:27,839
>> Well and then that's civil too

1725
01:02:27,839 --> 01:02:30,400
that's all civil and

1726
01:02:30,400 --> 01:02:34,799
>> the less liability we have for that we

1727
01:02:34,799 --> 01:02:36,319
just need to remove ourselves from any

1728
01:02:36,319 --> 01:02:38,319
liability. Yeah, right.

1729
01:02:38,319 --> 01:02:39,440
>> We're not enforcing it. We're just

1730
01:02:39,440 --> 01:02:42,240
saying, did you check?

1731
01:02:42,240 --> 01:02:45,040
>> Perfect. Um, good to move on to page

1732
01:02:45,040 --> 01:02:45,440
five.

1733
01:02:45,440 --> 01:02:48,799
>> I believe so.

1734
01:02:48,799 --> 01:02:52,559
Discuss that. So, 11,000

1735
01:02:52,559 --> 01:02:53,920
coverage. I don't really know that

1736
01:02:53,920 --> 01:02:55,280
coverage matters anymore, but we got

1737
01:02:55,280 --> 01:02:58,559
pretty generous or good setbacks. So, we

1738
01:02:58,559 --> 01:02:59,200
good there.

1739
01:02:59,200 --> 01:02:59,680
>> Yeah.

1740
01:02:59,680 --> 01:03:00,319
>> All right.

1741
01:03:00,319 --> 01:03:02,400
>> I think that

1742
01:03:02,400 --> 01:03:04,640
and then existing [laughter] accessory

1743
01:03:04,640 --> 01:03:08,390
structures.

1744
01:03:08,400 --> 01:03:11,200
I think it's right under the sign. Mike,

1745
01:03:11,200 --> 01:03:12,960
>> what's this paragraph right here?

1746
01:03:12,960 --> 01:03:19,670
>> Yeah, it's like it says

1747
01:03:19,680 --> 01:03:21,599
just like a loan make it really small

1748
01:03:21,599 --> 01:03:23,680
and hard to read, don't they?

1749
01:03:23,680 --> 01:03:25,920
>> I like the minimal rental.

1750
01:03:25,920 --> 01:03:27,839
>> 90 days. Everyone go 90 days.

1751
01:03:27,839 --> 01:03:28,960
>> Yeah.

1752
01:03:28,960 --> 01:03:30,079
>> I think it should be six months

1753
01:03:30,079 --> 01:03:31,039
personally, but

1754
01:03:31,039 --> 01:03:32,720
>> state won't let us do that, right?

1755
01:03:32,720 --> 01:03:35,039
states

1756
01:03:35,039 --> 01:03:40,069
throughout the United States.

1757
01:03:40,079 --> 01:03:42,720
» Yeah. Right here it says the granting of

1758
01:03:42,720 --> 01:03:44,640
this permit does not give the applicant

1759
01:03:44,640 --> 01:03:46,960
the authority to violate or cancel the

1760
01:03:46,960 --> 01:03:48,799
provisions of any other regulation

1761
01:03:48,799 --> 01:03:50,880
applicable to the property for which the

1762
01:03:50,880 --> 01:03:53,280
permit is valid. Such regulations may

1763
01:03:53,280 --> 01:03:54,799
include but are not limited to

1764
01:03:54,799 --> 01:03:56,720
easements, restricted covenants,

1765
01:03:56,720 --> 01:03:59,599
architecture review, and agreements.

1766
01:03:59,599 --> 01:04:02,160
>> Perfect. Leave it at that. Is that one

1767
01:04:02,160 --> 01:04:04,559
box? We can unbox. You just let us know.

1768
01:04:04,559 --> 01:04:06,720
>> That's exactly my last. It was a minor

1769
01:04:06,720 --> 01:04:08,640
thing, but it's like to physically have

1770
01:04:08,640 --> 01:04:14,150
to check the box.

1771
01:04:14,160 --> 01:04:16,079
» And that's easy to add on our

1772
01:04:16,079 --> 01:04:18,799
applications at the time of application

1773
01:04:18,799 --> 01:04:20,240
because that's something that they sign

1774
01:04:20,240 --> 01:04:23,920
when they pick up your issue permit.

1775
01:04:23,920 --> 01:04:27,520
>> Was so small. I feel like

1776
01:04:27,520 --> 01:04:29,920
>> Okay, so we're done. Um actually a big

1777
01:04:29,920 --> 01:04:32,960
picture. So one ADU period whether it's

1778
01:04:32,960 --> 01:04:35,760
IDU or DAU you get one. Okay.

1779
01:04:35,760 --> 01:04:36,240
>> Yes.

1780
01:04:36,240 --> 01:04:38,319
>> Internal or external.

1781
01:04:38,319 --> 01:04:38,640
>> Correct.

1782
01:04:38,640 --> 01:04:40,240
>> And I do like that because I have these

1783
01:04:40,240 --> 01:04:42,079
visions if we do allow two stories of

1784
01:04:42,079 --> 01:04:44,720
somebody doing one above and below.

1785
01:04:44,720 --> 01:04:47,359
Right.

1786
01:04:47,359 --> 01:04:48,880
>> Right. And so that's that's what I was

1787
01:04:48,880 --> 01:04:52,640
concerned about doing stack.

1788
01:04:52,640 --> 01:04:55,119
>> That is a great idea.

1789
01:04:55,119 --> 01:04:57,599
>> It'll happen. I know.

1790
01:04:57,599 --> 01:05:01,990
>> Absolutely. So,

1791
01:05:02,000 --> 01:05:03,440
and I'm thinking too is that like where

1792
01:05:03,440 --> 01:05:05,359
this is going to be allowed, it's going

1793
01:05:05,359 --> 01:05:08,079
to be in our single family, right? If we

1794
01:05:08,079 --> 01:05:12,799
start allowing anything more than just a DAU or or an ID,

1795
01:05:12,799 --> 01:05:14,480
>> then you've got three res. So, it turns

1796
01:05:14,480 --> 01:05:16,400
into like a three family zone instead of

1797
01:05:16,400 --> 01:05:17,359
a single family,

1798
01:05:17,359 --> 01:05:18,880
>> right? Wild.

1799
01:05:18,880 --> 01:05:20,319
>> But as long as you don't rent them,

1800
01:05:20,319 --> 01:05:23,839
family members can technically, right?

1801
01:05:23,839 --> 01:05:25,359
>> Okay.

1802
01:05:25,359 --> 01:05:26,880
>> Real quick. So the parking was already

1803
01:05:26,880 --> 01:05:28,735
spelled out in the state. If it's under

1804
01:05:28,735 --> 01:05:31,200
[laughter] 650, you can require one over

1805
01:05:31,200 --> 01:05:33,039
require two. So we'll just follow the

1806
01:05:33,039 --> 01:05:33,680
state.

1807
01:05:33,680 --> 01:05:34,319
>> Okay.

1808
01:05:34,319 --> 01:05:38,390
>> U

1809
01:05:38,400 --> 01:05:40,960
maximum amount of parking because I'm

1810
01:05:40,960 --> 01:05:42,720
just envisioning in my own backyard half

1811
01:05:42,720 --> 01:05:44,720
acre. If my neighbor builds one of these

1812
01:05:44,720 --> 01:05:46,880
or myself and all of a sudden I've got

1813
01:05:46,880 --> 01:05:48,799
three cars parked in my backyard. Well,

1814
01:05:48,799 --> 01:05:51,680
it's their backyard but you know in a

1815
01:05:51,680 --> 01:05:54,319
trailer like it's going to feel like a

1816
01:05:54,319 --> 01:05:57,440
parking lot. I just wonder if there's a

1817
01:05:57,440 --> 01:05:59,280
>> the alternative to that is that well if

1818
01:05:59,280 --> 01:06:02,319
we do a maximum then does that then push

1819
01:06:02,319 --> 01:06:03,520
parking onto the street?

1820
01:06:03,520 --> 01:06:05,440
>> Yep. And then we have requirements for

1821
01:06:05,440 --> 01:06:06,880
the winter time that that aren't allowed

1822
01:06:06,880 --> 01:06:09,119
too. So yeah those cars

1823
01:06:09,119 --> 01:06:11,280
>> can we do this too and I wanted to ask

1824
01:06:11,280 --> 01:06:13,280
about this does this because the last

1825
01:06:13,280 --> 01:06:15,039
thing I would want is [clears throat] a

1826
01:06:15,039 --> 01:06:16,559
if you look at our definition of a

1827
01:06:16,559 --> 01:06:20,079
family it's uh two or more bloodrelated

1828
01:06:20,079 --> 01:06:23,760
or five who are not blood related. Can

1829
01:06:23,760 --> 01:06:26,240
we just put it for ADUs? They have to be

1830
01:06:26,240 --> 01:06:29,680
two or more blood related. Period.

1831
01:06:29,680 --> 01:06:32,960
Can we do that?

1832
01:06:32,960 --> 01:06:35,839
>> We got to be rentable.

1833
01:06:35,839 --> 01:06:37,280
>> Yeah, but that's what I'm saying. It can

1834
01:06:37,280 --> 01:06:39,520
be allowed to be rentable.

1835
01:06:39,520 --> 01:06:42,640
>> But that means whoever moves in there

1836
01:06:42,640 --> 01:06:43,839
has to be

1837
01:06:43,839 --> 01:06:45,440
>> because this is whole thing for

1838
01:06:45,440 --> 01:06:48,160
affordable housing for families, right?

1839
01:06:48,160 --> 01:06:50,720
And right now our family, a definition

1840
01:06:50,720 --> 01:06:52,960
of a family in Cable City is five

1841
01:06:52,960 --> 01:06:55,520
nonrelated people. So you get five

1842
01:06:55,520 --> 01:06:57,200
college kids living in one of these

1843
01:06:57,200 --> 01:07:00,559
ADUs. That's five cars right there.

1844
01:07:00,559 --> 01:07:04,000
>> Um so or you could say take the first

1845
01:07:04,000 --> 01:07:06,880
half of that and say anybody living in

1846
01:07:06,880 --> 01:07:09,920
the ADU has to be two or more related.

1847
01:07:09,920 --> 01:07:11,760
So that' be a husband and wife

1848
01:07:11,760 --> 01:07:14,319
>> or a lady of kids or their kids. So it's

1849
01:07:14,319 --> 01:07:16,240
their family. He's not saying he doesn't

1850
01:07:16,240 --> 01:07:18,000
he's not saying that the people that

1851
01:07:18,000 --> 01:07:20,240
live in the ADU have to be related not

1852
01:07:20,240 --> 01:07:22,720
people in the primary dwelling. He's

1853
01:07:22,720 --> 01:07:24,400
just saying each other.

1854
01:07:24,400 --> 01:07:26,160
>> They have to be related to each other

1855
01:07:26,160 --> 01:07:28,799
and it can't be the five nonrelated.

1856
01:07:28,799 --> 01:07:31,280
>> So it can't be a dorm room accessory.

1857
01:07:31,280 --> 01:07:33,280
>> Meaning it couldn't be it couldn't be

1858
01:07:33,280 --> 01:07:35,520
like a Yeah. a [laughter] house for a

1859
01:07:35,520 --> 01:07:39,760
house or or or or even just like a like

1860
01:07:39,760 --> 01:07:41,920
your common rentals that you would see

1861
01:07:41,920 --> 01:07:45,119
down in Provo for like four four people

1862
01:07:45,119 --> 01:07:47,280
living in the same place. I I think

1863
01:07:47,280 --> 01:07:48,319
that's a great idea.

1864
01:07:48,319 --> 01:07:50,240
>> You might have to look at the case law

1865
01:07:50,240 --> 01:07:55,119
because there's probably a reason that definition of family evolved. Um it

1866
01:07:55,119 --> 01:07:57,200
might discriminate. Is that the state

1867
01:07:57,200 --> 01:07:58,240
definition too?

1868
01:07:58,240 --> 01:08:00,400
>> Yeah, there's a state

1869
01:08:00,400 --> 01:08:01,280
and even ours.

1870
01:08:01,280 --> 01:08:03,920
>> Yeah. Yeah. I I like what you're saying

1871
01:08:03,920 --> 01:08:04,640
though. I don't want

1872
01:08:04,640 --> 01:08:07,760
>> because realistically that that that ADU

1873
01:08:07,760 --> 01:08:09,920
mount could have [snorts] five

1874
01:08:09,920 --> 01:08:12,240
nonrelated people living in it. Could

1875
01:08:12,240 --> 01:08:14,319
you say could you say something too like

1876
01:08:14,319 --> 01:08:16,560
I mean how do you make it so it's

1877
01:08:16,560 --> 01:08:25,279
non-discriminatory is that each non like if there's a nonrelated

1878
01:08:25,279 --> 01:08:27,040
I'm trying to think of like signing a

1879
01:08:27,040 --> 01:08:29,040
lease or

1880
01:08:29,040 --> 01:08:31,199
>> you can't you can't you can't rent to

1881
01:08:31,199 --> 01:08:36,159
multiple nonrelated people parties or

1882
01:08:36,159 --> 01:08:37,679
>> I don't know

1883
01:08:37,679 --> 01:08:39,679
>> that' be a hard one to

1884
01:08:39,679 --> 01:08:40,159
related.

1885
01:08:40,159 --> 01:08:42,319
>> Yeah.

1886
01:08:42,319 --> 01:08:44,239
>> I've never Yeah. I've never had anything

1887
01:08:44,239 --> 01:08:45,839
successful where I've actually like

1888
01:08:45,839 --> 01:08:48,080
tried to use code enforcement to to say

1889
01:08:48,080 --> 01:08:49,440
like, you know, there's people that are

1890
01:08:49,440 --> 01:08:50,880
living around that are above that

1891
01:08:50,880 --> 01:08:53,600
definition because Exactly. Right. like

1892
01:08:53,600 --> 01:08:55,440
it gets into me of how do I then

1893
01:08:55,440 --> 01:08:57,199
demonstrate that these people aren't

1894
01:08:57,199 --> 01:08:58,719
like, you know, what's going to stand up

1895
01:08:58,719 --> 01:08:59,920
in court really?

1896
01:08:59,920 --> 01:09:01,920
>> What if you focus on like the vehicles

1897
01:09:01,920 --> 01:09:06,080
like no more than I mean vehicles for

1898
01:09:06,080 --> 01:09:15,349
>> That's what I was thinking. just regular

1899
01:09:15,359 --> 01:09:17,920
» make sure that people just sell and

1900
01:09:17,920 --> 01:09:26,229
there's four people in there like

1901
01:09:26,239 --> 01:09:29,430
that

1902
01:09:29,440 --> 01:09:30,960
driveway

1903
01:09:30,960 --> 01:09:35,110
trailer driveway and three cars

1904
01:09:35,120 --> 01:09:50,630
are doing it. No, no, you can't.

1905
01:09:50,640 --> 01:09:54,000
» We get a badge in the vest.

1906
01:09:54,000 --> 01:09:54,560
>> Huh?

1907
01:09:54,560 --> 01:09:56,640
>> What was the parking? Where was the

1908
01:09:56,640 --> 01:10:01,110
parking thing that it said?

1909
01:10:01,120 --> 01:10:02,719
» Can't require. Okay. can't require more

1910
01:10:02,719 --> 01:10:04,880
than one

1911
01:10:04,880 --> 01:10:07,440
>> for one that's under 650 and can't

1912
01:10:07,440 --> 01:10:09,440
require more than two.

1913
01:10:09,440 --> 01:10:11,760
>> Right. So, I'm just going to copy the

1914
01:10:11,760 --> 01:10:14,960
statement on that.

1915
01:10:14,960 --> 01:10:16,480
>> How many bedrooms would you say can be

1916
01:10:16,480 --> 01:10:18,640
in a a structure this way? [laughter]

1917
01:10:18,640 --> 01:10:19,679
Maximum two.

1918
01:10:19,679 --> 01:10:22,239
>> Probably two. Yeah. Typically speaking,

1919
01:10:22,239 --> 01:10:24,480
like if you're going to go more than two

1920
01:10:24,480 --> 01:10:25,679
bedrooms, you're going to need more than

1921
01:10:25,679 --> 01:10:28,080
12,200 feet. Could be nice. Could we put

1922
01:10:28,080 --> 01:10:30,960
maximum parking like maximum of two

1923
01:10:30,960 --> 01:10:32,239
extra cars?

1924
01:10:32,239 --> 01:10:33,120
>> Yeah, we could.

1925
01:10:33,120 --> 01:10:35,040
>> Or or how do you do that when you've got

1926
01:10:35,040 --> 01:10:36,560
your kids living at your house? I don't

1927
01:10:36,560 --> 01:10:36,880
know.

1928
01:10:36,880 --> 01:10:38,640
>> Mhm. [clears throat]

1929
01:10:38,640 --> 01:10:40,480
>> Well, your kids doesn't like

1930
01:10:40,480 --> 01:10:43,360
>> Well, I know. I've got a

1931
01:10:43,360 --> 01:10:47,440
Those are the primary the cars.

1932
01:10:47,440 --> 01:10:50,000
>> Yeah. And that's Yeah, that it's going

1933
01:10:50,000 --> 01:10:52,400
to be hard to enforce. It might it might

1934
01:10:52,400 --> 01:10:54,800
disent

1935
01:10:54,800 --> 01:10:56,480
>> I think if we're taking care of like the

1936
01:10:56,480 --> 01:10:58,239
minimum parking

1937
01:10:58,239 --> 01:11:00,400
>> requirements

1938
01:11:00,400 --> 01:11:01,520
>> I get what you're saying Jim I don't

1939
01:11:01,520 --> 01:11:03,280
want I don't want a property to then

1940
01:11:03,280 --> 01:11:05,520
become a huge parking lot on a property

1941
01:11:05,520 --> 01:11:06,960
because then that becomes an isore as

1942
01:11:06,960 --> 01:11:07,760
well

1943
01:11:07,760 --> 01:11:09,280
>> but we don't have we don't have any

1944
01:11:09,280 --> 01:11:11,280
status for like maximum impervious

1945
01:11:11,280 --> 01:11:13,440
coverage on a property do we

1946
01:11:13,440 --> 01:11:14,560
>> don't we have something that says they

1947
01:11:14,560 --> 01:11:16,000
have to be running or something or they

1948
01:11:16,000 --> 01:11:19,830
have to be

1949
01:11:19,840 --> 01:11:21,600
» let me read this to you because you're

1950
01:11:21,600 --> 01:11:23,199
worried about covenants. And actually,

1951
01:11:23,199 --> 01:11:25,040
you guys have updated it and made it

1952
01:11:25,040 --> 01:11:27,520
much more restrictive than it was. I She

1953
01:11:27,520 --> 01:11:29,199
just happened to give me one that I had.

1954
01:11:29,199 --> 01:11:31,600
But this is the new one. And it's right

1955
01:11:31,600 --> 01:11:32,880
on the permit. When they sign the

1956
01:11:32,880 --> 01:11:36,320
permit, it says warning.

1957
01:11:36,320 --> 01:11:38,400
>> If you if your lot is subject to

1958
01:11:38,400 --> 01:11:40,159
restricted covenants, you should review

1959
01:11:40,159 --> 01:11:42,880
the same and make sure your plans are in

1960
01:11:42,880 --> 01:11:45,600
compliance. Review by the homeowners

1961
01:11:45,600 --> 01:11:47,440
association might be helpful. If you

1962
01:11:47,440 --> 01:11:49,120
failed to comply with the restricted

1963
01:11:49,120 --> 01:11:51,040
covenants, the homeowners association

1964
01:11:51,040 --> 01:11:52,880
might require you to tear down or

1965
01:11:52,880 --> 01:11:55,600
otherwise remedy the violation. This

1966
01:11:55,600 --> 01:11:57,360
could be [clears throat] expensive and

1967
01:11:57,360 --> 01:12:00,400
time consuming. So you already

1968
01:12:00,400 --> 01:12:02,560
say homeowners association and so if you

1969
01:12:02,560 --> 01:12:04,880
don't live in an HOA so people could

1970
01:12:04,880 --> 01:12:07,199
actually think of that as I don't have

1971
01:12:07,199 --> 01:12:07,920
to do it,

1972
01:12:07,920 --> 01:12:10,800
>> right?

1973
01:12:10,800 --> 01:12:13,120
I know even there's always

1974
01:12:13,120 --> 01:12:14,960
>> I understand that. You understand that?

1975
01:12:14,960 --> 01:12:16,400
I didn't know that till I went to law

1976
01:12:16,400 --> 01:12:17,520
school.

1977
01:12:17,520 --> 01:12:18,400
>> Yes.

1978
01:12:18,400 --> 01:12:19,520
>> So, there's that. [clears throat]

1979
01:12:19,520 --> 01:12:21,760
>> Well, you should

1980
01:12:21,760 --> 01:12:24,239
have insurance.

1981
01:12:24,239 --> 01:12:27,990
>> I read it all.

1982
01:12:28,000 --> 01:12:32,390
» Are you guys ready to go?

1983
01:12:32,400 --> 01:12:35,360
» If you convert a garage,

1984
01:12:35,360 --> 01:12:39,760
um, you do anything to make up for the

1985
01:12:39,760 --> 01:12:41,600
lost space. It's like if you take your

1986
01:12:41,600 --> 01:12:43,920
existing accessory garage, turn that

1987
01:12:43,920 --> 01:12:46,960
into a VAU, I would think the existing

1988
01:12:46,960 --> 01:12:48,400
code would handle that because you still

1989
01:12:48,400 --> 01:12:50,960
have to man have the primary structure

1990
01:12:50,960 --> 01:12:52,800
off off street parking, right?

1991
01:12:52,800 --> 01:12:55,520
Regardless and the dad off street

1992
01:12:55,520 --> 01:12:57,600
parking I think this is a good thing to

1993
01:12:57,600 --> 01:12:59,280
be able to have like if we if somebody

1994
01:12:59,280 --> 01:13:01,920
had a detached garage and that was their

1995
01:13:01,920 --> 01:13:03,520
main garage, then we should say you've

1996
01:13:03,520 --> 01:13:04,159
got to replace that.

1997
01:13:04,159 --> 01:13:06,080
>> You'll have to have the same off

1998
01:13:06,080 --> 01:13:07,360
streetet parking that you did. Okay.

1999
01:13:07,360 --> 01:13:09,199
>> Yeah. If you Yeah. If you remove off

2000
01:13:09,199 --> 01:13:11,360
street parking from DA, then you got to

2001
01:13:11,360 --> 01:13:15,430
replace it somewhere else.

2002
01:13:15,440 --> 01:13:17,440
» Good call.

2003
01:13:17,440 --> 01:13:19,600
>> Okay. And then the last one there is

2004
01:13:19,600 --> 01:13:23,360
like if you have a a deck on your DADU,

2005
01:13:23,360 --> 01:13:26,320
should that require the same setbacks or

2006
01:13:26,320 --> 01:13:29,760
can the deck encroach into that setback?

2007
01:13:29,760 --> 01:13:31,600
>> I think the deck can encroach.

2008
01:13:31,600 --> 01:13:33,679
>> You think it can? Well, if it's Well, if

2009
01:13:33,679 --> 01:13:35,199
it's facing your own yard, if it's

2010
01:13:35,199 --> 01:13:36,880
facing your yard, I think it should be

2011
01:13:36,880 --> 01:13:39,280
able Oh, never mind.

2012
01:13:39,280 --> 01:13:40,960
There. Okay.

2013
01:13:40,960 --> 01:13:42,640
>> Cuz you could make nothing. No,

2014
01:13:42,640 --> 01:13:45,280
>> you could make Yeah, you'd make a 20ft

2015
01:13:45,280 --> 01:13:50,870
deck that right

2016
01:13:50,880 --> 01:13:54,310
somebody

2017
01:13:54,320 --> 01:13:56,560
is it' be a covered deck. Percentage of

2018
01:13:56,560 --> 01:13:58,080
that setback.

2019
01:13:58,080 --> 01:14:00,400
>> What your own yard? I don't I don't

2020
01:14:00,400 --> 01:14:02,960
care. So if you have 50, you can make it

2021
01:14:02,960 --> 01:14:07,199
so the deck doesn't um exceed 50% of

2022
01:14:07,199 --> 01:14:07,600
that.

2023
01:14:07,600 --> 01:14:10,880
>> I think a deck facing a fence

2024
01:14:10,880 --> 01:14:11,760
>> shouldn't be allowed.

2025
01:14:11,760 --> 01:14:12,320
>> I mean

2026
01:14:12,320 --> 01:14:16,560
>> because it's a perfect reason

2027
01:14:16,560 --> 01:14:18,080
if you want you want people out there

2028
01:14:18,080 --> 01:14:20,239
looking over into your backyard

2029
01:14:20,239 --> 01:14:23,199
>> and super easy to see from a deck looks

2030
01:14:23,199 --> 01:14:25,840
into like 10 different yards in that

2031
01:14:25,840 --> 01:14:26,560
15t.

2032
01:14:26,560 --> 01:14:28,239
>> Yeah.

2033
01:14:28,239 --> 01:14:29,920
>> That that keeps the setbacks. Yeah, I

2034
01:14:29,920 --> 01:14:31,120
think that [laughter]

2035
01:14:31,120 --> 01:14:32,880
it has a roof. It's not.

2036
01:14:32,880 --> 01:14:34,400
>> Okay. But what about this though? What

2037
01:14:34,400 --> 01:14:36,719
if it's a single story and it's not so

2038
01:14:36,719 --> 01:14:39,679
much of a deck, but it's like a patio

2039
01:14:39,679 --> 01:14:40,880
ground level, but it's connected.

2040
01:14:40,880 --> 01:14:51,110
>> Your guys head

2041
01:14:51,120 --> 01:14:53,199
to the required set require. [laughter]

2042
01:14:53,199 --> 01:14:55,040
But say if it's set back further than

2043
01:14:55,040 --> 01:14:57,120
this, right? Like say if it's set back

2044
01:14:57,120 --> 01:14:59,760
20 ft instead of 15 ft, then could they

2045
01:14:59,760 --> 01:15:02,960
go all the way up to that 15t set back?

2046
01:15:02,960 --> 01:15:05,440
>> Do we have to distinguish between a can

2047
01:15:05,440 --> 01:15:08,880
or can we distinguish between a deck and

2048
01:15:08,880 --> 01:15:09,840
a walk

2049
01:15:09,840 --> 01:15:10,640
>> and a landing?

2050
01:15:10,640 --> 01:15:12,800
>> Walk out a landing I think

2051
01:15:12,800 --> 01:15:14,719
>> cuz landings don't bother me. 4 foot

2052
01:15:14,719 --> 01:15:17,440
landing like that's just you're I don't

2053
01:15:17,440 --> 01:15:19,360
think we should require them to set

2054
01:15:19,360 --> 01:15:20,640
their setback.

2055
01:15:20,640 --> 01:15:22,080
>> As long as it's not covered. As long as

2056
01:15:22,080 --> 01:15:23,679
it's not covered. If you're going to put

2057
01:15:23,679 --> 01:15:24,960
a porch or if you're going to enclose

2058
01:15:24,960 --> 01:15:27,040
it, then it needs to be back to 15 ft.

2059
01:15:27,040 --> 01:15:28,480
But if you're just coming out your back

2060
01:15:28,480 --> 01:15:30,239
door at 15 ft and you've got a 3ft

2061
01:15:30,239 --> 01:15:32,320
landing and you got three or four steps.

2062
01:15:32,320 --> 01:15:32,640
>> Yeah.

2063
01:15:32,640 --> 01:15:34,000
>> Like that would be allowed.

2064
01:15:34,000 --> 01:15:34,719
>> That's fine. Okay.

2065
01:15:34,719 --> 01:15:36,000
>> As long as as long as it's not a

2066
01:15:36,000 --> 01:15:37,199
structure over that.

2067
01:15:37,199 --> 01:15:38,960
>> Can a little porch be okay?

2068
01:15:38,960 --> 01:15:41,040
>> Not within that 15 ft. Not the way not

2069
01:15:41,040 --> 01:15:42,719
the way that we described that because

2070
01:15:42,719 --> 01:15:45,120
that porch is in that 15. I think the

2071
01:15:45,120 --> 01:15:46,880
biggest thing is like if it's a second

2072
01:15:46,880 --> 01:15:49,360
story deck, right, footprint. I think

2073
01:15:49,360 --> 01:15:50,880
those would definitely be those are

2074
01:15:50,880 --> 01:15:51,679
going to be the ones that are going to

2075
01:15:51,679 --> 01:15:52,560
be more opposing.

2076
01:15:52,560 --> 01:15:54,400
>> What if we say no decks on second

2077
01:15:54,400 --> 01:15:56,719
stories but singlestory?

2078
01:15:56,719 --> 01:15:57,040
>> Yeah.

2079
01:15:57,040 --> 01:15:59,040
>> Patio

2080
01:15:59,040 --> 01:15:59,600
would be okay.

2081
01:15:59,600 --> 01:16:00,800
>> That's true.

2082
01:16:00,800 --> 01:16:01,199
>> Patio.

2083
01:16:01,199 --> 01:16:02,560
>> Yeah. I think the patio is like so I

2084
01:16:02,560 --> 01:16:03,760
don't think the patio is a question.

2085
01:16:03,760 --> 01:16:05,440
It's just once you increase that

2086
01:16:05,440 --> 01:16:07,040
footprint by covering it with the roof.

2087
01:16:07,040 --> 01:16:08,239
>> But you're going to want if you have a

2088
01:16:08,239 --> 01:16:09,360
patio, you're going to want to cover it

2089
01:16:09,360 --> 01:16:11,920
with the roof. I know one story.

2090
01:16:11,920 --> 01:16:13,360
>> Why can't they encourage a little bit

2091
01:16:13,360 --> 01:16:14,800
more? I I don't think they should have

2092
01:16:14,800 --> 01:16:17,679
to be 15 foot back. They have to be 15

2093
01:16:17,679 --> 01:16:20,400
back on a deck or a patio,

2094
01:16:20,400 --> 01:16:22,080
>> right?

2095
01:16:22,080 --> 01:16:23,840
>> If they do that though, then they could

2096
01:16:23,840 --> 01:16:25,280
still take it up on the roof.

2097
01:16:25,280 --> 01:16:26,640
>> No. So, they can't take it up on the

2098
01:16:26,640 --> 01:16:29,360
roof. It could just be a patio wash. It

2099
01:16:29,360 --> 01:16:30,560
could be covered,

2100
01:16:30,560 --> 01:16:32,239
>> but it shouldn't count towards their

2101
01:16:32,239 --> 01:16:32,960
15t.

2102
01:16:32,960 --> 01:16:33,600
>> Sure. It should.

2103
01:16:33,600 --> 01:16:34,719
>> So, it should be two, right?

2104
01:16:34,719 --> 01:16:36,000
>> It's covered. Absolutely.

2105
01:16:36,000 --> 01:16:37,679
>> But it's not covered. Placing is not

2106
01:16:37,679 --> 01:16:38,000
covered

2107
01:16:38,000 --> 01:16:40,480
>> on a one story. On a one story, you want

2108
01:16:40,480 --> 01:16:42,400
to be able to Yeah. 15 feet. So, that

2109
01:16:42,400 --> 01:16:45,199
could be a nice little porch walkway.

2110
01:16:45,199 --> 01:16:47,120
Why can't you have it covered?

2111
01:16:47,120 --> 01:16:48,800
>> Because now you got a building that's

2112
01:16:48,800 --> 01:16:50,719
encroaching your

2113
01:16:50,719 --> 01:16:51,840
>> Well, can't you make any

2114
01:16:51,840 --> 01:16:52,480
>> Well, could we

2115
01:16:52,480 --> 01:16:54,239
>> That's how it is now. You can't encroach

2116
01:16:54,239 --> 01:16:55,520
your any of our yards. Right.

2117
01:16:55,520 --> 01:16:57,280
>> Right. So, well, right now we've got the

2118
01:16:57,280 --> 01:16:59,120
accessory structure setbacks. Right. So

2119
01:16:59,120 --> 01:17:01,600
then like could you say to Mary to your

2120
01:17:01,600 --> 01:17:04,000
point like would would we allow say if

2121
01:17:04,000 --> 01:17:06,560
it's just a covered patio

2122
01:17:06,560 --> 01:17:09,120
could that could that patio encroach

2123
01:17:09,120 --> 01:17:11,840
into the 15 ft as long as it doesn't as

2124
01:17:11,840 --> 01:17:14,400
long as it doesn't violate the minimum

2125
01:17:14,400 --> 01:17:16,159
setbacks required for an accessory

2126
01:17:16,159 --> 01:17:20,790
structure. Right. Yes.

2127
01:17:20,800 --> 01:17:22,080
» There if they want to, but I don't think

2128
01:17:22,080 --> 01:17:23,840
that you can attach it to the home to

2129
01:17:23,840 --> 01:17:24,719
the or to the

2130
01:17:24,719 --> 01:17:28,880
>> And the patio is on the ground level

2131
01:17:28,880 --> 01:17:30,000
on the second level.

2132
01:17:30,000 --> 01:17:32,159
>> Nothing on the second level. Where's the

2133
01:17:32,159 --> 01:17:35,120
code?

2134
01:17:35,120 --> 01:17:40,870
>> Unless it faces your

2135
01:17:40,880 --> 01:17:43,440
» like a deck or a p or or a balcony might

2136
01:17:43,440 --> 01:17:45,040
be okay if it's facing the interior.

2137
01:17:45,040 --> 01:17:46,320
>> If you have a pool and you want to have

2138
01:17:46,320 --> 01:17:48,080
a patio and you've got a twostory

2139
01:17:48,080 --> 01:17:49,280
structure and you want to put a slide

2140
01:17:49,280 --> 01:17:51,440
down it, you should be able to do that

2141
01:17:51,440 --> 01:17:52,239
mirror.

2142
01:17:52,239 --> 01:17:54,239
>> Or or you could have it you could have

2143
01:17:54,239 --> 01:17:55,840
it on the other side. You could have a

2144
01:17:55,840 --> 01:17:57,360
pool face I mean you could have it

2145
01:17:57,360 --> 01:18:00,640
facing uh the other person's yard as

2146
01:18:00,640 --> 01:18:02,880
long as you were past 15 ft with that

2147
01:18:02,880 --> 01:18:03,360
stuff.

2148
01:18:03,360 --> 01:18:05,280
>> Yeah.

2149
01:18:05,280 --> 01:18:07,120
>> So we know we're going to allow second

2150
01:18:07,120 --> 01:18:08,000
story.

2151
01:18:08,000 --> 01:18:10,080
>> You can have a second story. You could

2152
01:18:10,080 --> 01:18:13,920
have a second story patio but the patio

2153
01:18:13,920 --> 01:18:16,880
distance if it's covered is going to has

2154
01:18:16,880 --> 01:18:18,239
to be 15 ft.

2155
01:18:18,239 --> 01:18:22,870
>> Okay. If it faces a fence,

2156
01:18:22,880 --> 01:18:24,880
so you're saying like if they had a

2157
01:18:24,880 --> 01:18:27,840
balcony or you know a deck that went off

2158
01:18:27,840 --> 01:18:29,600
that second story, as long as that

2159
01:18:29,600 --> 01:18:32,159
outside edge of that deck or balcony

2160
01:18:32,159 --> 01:18:34,000
doesn't let them step back, it's okay if

2161
01:18:34,000 --> 01:18:34,719
it faces the

2162
01:18:34,719 --> 01:18:36,159
>> That's correct. That's good.

2163
01:18:36,159 --> 01:18:38,800
>> But if it's but but then for a single

2164
01:18:38,800 --> 01:18:41,520
story or or if if the patio is just on

2165
01:18:41,520 --> 01:18:43,520
the ground level, that could encroach

2166
01:18:43,520 --> 01:18:47,199
into those 15 that 15t area. But we have

2167
01:18:47,199 --> 01:18:49,280
some parameters for that encroachment.

2168
01:18:49,280 --> 01:18:51,360
>> Isn't there a state amendment that says

2169
01:18:51,360 --> 01:18:54,080
anything 30 in or less is not regulated.

2170
01:18:54,080 --> 01:18:55,600
>> It's not it's not per it's not a

2171
01:18:55,600 --> 01:18:56,239
permitted.

2172
01:18:56,239 --> 01:18:57,520
>> It's not a permitted.

2173
01:18:57,520 --> 01:18:58,960
>> Yeah. So if somebody just did flat work

2174
01:18:58,960 --> 01:19:01,280
but they didn't cover it

2175
01:19:01,280 --> 01:19:04,870
as long

2176
01:19:04,880 --> 01:19:07,120
has a exception that says it's not

2177
01:19:07,120 --> 01:19:07,840
considered.

2178
01:19:07,840 --> 01:19:09,040
>> Yeah. You don't have to have a permit

2179
01:19:09,040 --> 01:19:11,920
for it. Yeah. But like they're saying,

2180
01:19:11,920 --> 01:19:16,239
you know, if if we got if they poured a patio there and then later on they

2181
01:19:16,239 --> 01:19:17,760
wanted to like have a covering that went

2182
01:19:17,760 --> 01:19:18,080
over it.

2183
01:19:18,080 --> 01:19:19,360
>> As long as it doesn't attach to the

2184
01:19:19,360 --> 01:19:20,880
structure that attach to the house, you

2185
01:19:20,880 --> 01:19:21,600
can do anything.

2186
01:19:21,600 --> 01:19:24,480
>> As long as it's not, you're fine.

2187
01:19:24,480 --> 01:19:26,960
>> Okay. You can have it attached awning

2188
01:19:26,960 --> 01:19:28,560
just you could do that.

2189
01:19:28,560 --> 01:19:31,280
>> Yeah. So, what if you did have like an

2190
01:19:31,280 --> 01:19:34,480
attached awning that covered that patio

2191
01:19:34,480 --> 01:19:37,040
>> um as part of the DADU? Would we then

2192
01:19:37,040 --> 01:19:39,120
say that that has to meet the the 15

2193
01:19:39,120 --> 01:19:40,960
feet or would we say that like that has

2194
01:19:40,960 --> 01:19:43,280
to that could be the same setbacks of

2195
01:19:43,280 --> 01:19:45,040
our as our accessory structures right

2196
01:19:45,040 --> 01:19:45,280
now?

2197
01:19:45,280 --> 01:19:46,719
>> If it's attached to the home, you

2198
01:19:46,719 --> 01:19:48,800
increase the footprint of the home,

2199
01:19:48,800 --> 01:19:51,280
>> correct? Yes.

2200
01:19:51,280 --> 01:19:55,910
>> Yeah.

2201
01:19:55,920 --> 01:19:57,760
So, we also say that like

2202
01:19:57,760 --> 01:19:59,280
>> Yeah. So you're saying apply the same

2203
01:19:59,280 --> 01:19:59,840
standard

2204
01:19:59,840 --> 01:20:00,560
>> that attached to the house

2205
01:20:00,560 --> 01:20:03,120
>> that we have for a home if it if if a

2206
01:20:03,120 --> 01:20:05,040
single family home not talking DADUs if

2207
01:20:05,040 --> 01:20:06,800
we attach those things to the home has

2208
01:20:06,800 --> 01:20:09,679
to the same

2209
01:20:09,679 --> 01:20:10,719
unless they're unless they're

2210
01:20:10,719 --> 01:20:11,679
structurally independent.

2211
01:20:11,679 --> 01:20:13,440
>> Yeah. So therefore to be consistent with

2212
01:20:13,440 --> 01:20:15,440
what we do with single family homes use

2213
01:20:15,440 --> 01:20:17,520
that same standard with the ADUs. If

2214
01:20:17,520 --> 01:20:19,199
you're going to cover it then it has to

2215
01:20:19,199 --> 01:20:20,400
still meet the same setbacks

2216
01:20:20,400 --> 01:20:21,840
>> and be on its own.

2217
01:20:21,840 --> 01:20:23,440
>> Yep. So in other words if that blows

2218
01:20:23,440 --> 01:20:24,719
over it doesn't really affect the house

2219
01:20:24,719 --> 01:20:26,239
or if the house falls down it's on its

2220
01:20:26,239 --> 01:20:26,560
own.

2221
01:20:26,560 --> 01:20:29,280
>> Right. So, so that way we don't if you

2222
01:20:29,280 --> 01:20:31,520
want to have a DAU that has an outdoor

2223
01:20:31,520 --> 01:20:33,040
space like a patio,

2224
01:20:33,040 --> 01:20:35,520
>> that's fine. It can be in that area, it

2225
01:20:35,520 --> 01:20:37,199
can be within that 15 ft, but you can't

2226
01:20:37,199 --> 01:20:39,520
cover it

2227
01:20:39,520 --> 01:20:40,960
>> unless you're already unless you're

2228
01:20:40,960 --> 01:20:42,800
beyond that 15 ft.

2229
01:20:42,800 --> 01:20:44,960
>> Stand

2230
01:20:44,960 --> 01:20:45,920
alone.

2231
01:20:45,920 --> 01:20:47,440
>> And how far does it have to be separated

2232
01:20:47,440 --> 01:20:49,120
to be standalone? A foot.

2233
01:20:49,120 --> 01:20:50,800
>> Okay. [clears throat]

2234
01:20:50,800 --> 01:20:52,640
>> Oh, no. I'm sorry. From the house, it

2235
01:20:52,640 --> 01:20:55,120
can it can actually it can it can hover

2236
01:20:55,120 --> 01:20:59,040
over like this. Yeah, it could go

2237
01:20:59,040 --> 01:21:01,440
to the attach

2238
01:21:01,440 --> 01:21:03,280
because and the reason I as I'm thinking

2239
01:21:03,280 --> 01:21:04,640
like well then people could get around

2240
01:21:04,640 --> 01:21:06,480
that, right? So it's like

2241
01:21:06,480 --> 01:21:07,840
>> you don't want to have it but if it just

2242
01:21:07,840 --> 01:21:09,600
hovers it's

2243
01:21:09,600 --> 01:21:11,199
>> doing the same thing.

2244
01:21:11,199 --> 01:21:11,920
>> Okay.

2245
01:21:11,920 --> 01:21:14,480
Okay. Because people are going to

2246
01:21:14,480 --> 01:21:15,040
want those.

2247
01:21:15,040 --> 01:21:17,120
>> Yeah, for sure. And we do a lot of those

2248
01:21:17,120 --> 01:21:19,199
even right now. Like some some of our

2249
01:21:19,199 --> 01:21:20,960
15footers, they'll they'll put that back

2250
01:21:20,960 --> 01:21:22,320
there and we just and there's there's

2251
01:21:22,320 --> 01:21:23,679
lots of companies that do them and they

2252
01:21:23,679 --> 01:21:24,960
just come in. They're really nice and

2253
01:21:24,960 --> 01:21:26,159
they just kind of go on the back of the

2254
01:21:26,159 --> 01:21:27,120
house and

2255
01:21:27,120 --> 01:21:29,760
>> and the and the I would say the joist

2256
01:21:29,760 --> 01:21:31,440
kind of come up over the roof a little

2257
01:21:31,440 --> 01:21:32,880
bit. Most of them are the loudest are

2258
01:21:32,880 --> 01:21:35,280
kind of open, right? Open joist

2259
01:21:35,280 --> 01:21:36,880
>> to keep like the snow.

2260
01:21:36,880 --> 01:21:37,600
>> Yeah. Okay.

2261
01:21:37,600 --> 01:21:39,840
All right. As long as it's

2262
01:21:39,840 --> 01:21:41,360
going to be allowed in some some way.

2263
01:21:41,360 --> 01:21:42,000
Okay.

2264
01:21:42,000 --> 01:21:44,640
>> All right. Uh page n last one then.

2265
01:21:44,640 --> 01:21:47,040
Flowers.

2266
01:21:47,040 --> 01:21:49,600
So utilities. if you go through your

2267
01:21:49,600 --> 01:21:52,960
backyard uh or in the obvious you can't

2268
01:21:52,960 --> 01:21:56,400
build on that. Um it's somehow

2269
01:21:56,400 --> 01:21:58,320
>> and right now in our ordinance, it's

2270
01:21:58,320 --> 01:22:00,560
very clear in our ordinance because we

2271
01:22:00,560 --> 01:22:03,040
because every subdivision in Kville

2272
01:22:03,040 --> 01:22:05,760
almost has a 10-ft rear yard public

2273
01:22:05,760 --> 01:22:08,080
utility easement and an 8ft sideyard

2274
01:22:08,080 --> 01:22:10,320
public utility ement at least goes down

2275
01:22:10,320 --> 01:22:13,120
one side of the sideyard. We have a

2276
01:22:13,120 --> 01:22:15,920
thing in our ordinance that says if you

2277
01:22:15,920 --> 01:22:18,320
build in this ement you do so at your

2278
01:22:18,320 --> 01:22:21,199
own risk and if anybody comes in there

2279
01:22:21,199 --> 01:22:22,960
then and you have to remove the

2280
01:22:22,960 --> 01:22:25,360
structure that's at your cost and not

2281
01:22:25,360 --> 01:22:27,600
the city's well it doesn't say that for

2282
01:22:27,600 --> 01:22:29,199
dwellings we don't want for dwellings

2283
01:22:29,199 --> 01:22:31,520
are a way bigger deal right it's one

2284
01:22:31,520 --> 01:22:33,600
thing to move a garage but to actually

2285
01:22:33,600 --> 01:22:35,600
move a dwelling so that is one of the

2286
01:22:35,600 --> 01:22:37,760
reasons I believe the state statute the

2287
01:22:37,760 --> 01:22:40,159
bill says no building in utility

2288
01:22:40,159 --> 01:22:41,440
>> ements

2289
01:22:41,440 --> 01:22:42,239
Okay,

2290
01:22:42,239 --> 01:22:45,120
>> I agree. Perfect.

2291
01:22:45,120 --> 01:22:46,400
>> All right, then.

2292
01:22:46,400 --> 01:22:48,480
>> But quick question. So, but that utility

2293
01:22:48,480 --> 01:22:50,320
can be part of the 15th setback, right?

2294
01:22:50,320 --> 01:22:51,440
>> Yes.

2295
01:22:51,440 --> 01:22:53,120
Just like it is now.

2296
01:22:53,120 --> 01:22:57,199
>> Okay. And generally,

2297
01:22:57,199 --> 01:22:58,800
>> the last one here, just a more of a

2298
01:22:58,800 --> 01:23:00,080
caveat we've already talked about, but

2299
01:23:00,080 --> 01:23:02,000
you can't have a de facto conditional

2300
01:23:02,000 --> 01:23:04,400
use. Um, so be careful not to put

2301
01:23:04,400 --> 01:23:05,520
anything in there that would create

2302
01:23:05,520 --> 01:23:05,920
that.

2303
01:23:05,920 --> 01:23:07,600
>> Yeah. So with that, we do have like a

2304
01:23:07,600 --> 01:23:10,080
permit process like a a land use permit

2305
01:23:10,080 --> 01:23:12,239
for internal internal accessory dwelling

2306
01:23:12,239 --> 01:23:13,760
units. I would expect that we just add

2307
01:23:13,760 --> 01:23:15,920
one for the you know detached accessory

2308
01:23:15,920 --> 01:23:17,840
dwelling units as well. I don't consider

2309
01:23:17,840 --> 01:23:20,320
that a de facto conditional use permit.

2310
01:23:20,320 --> 01:23:22,880
It's just going getting an approval.

2311
01:23:22,880 --> 01:23:25,040
>> What does that mean exactly? Deacto.

2312
01:23:25,040 --> 01:23:30,080
>> Yeah. I think what it is is that like we start adding conditions to

2313
01:23:30,080 --> 01:23:32,320
it that might be inconsistent you know

2314
01:23:32,320 --> 01:23:34,560
or say like it's a case by case

2315
01:23:34,560 --> 01:23:35,760
situation where it's like oh well here

2316
01:23:35,760 --> 01:23:37,199
we're going to add a condition of

2317
01:23:37,199 --> 01:23:38,880
approval for this and this one we're

2318
01:23:38,880 --> 01:23:40,080
going to add conditional approval for

2319
01:23:40,080 --> 01:23:41,040
this.

2320
01:23:41,040 --> 01:23:43,199
>> Um it's pretty much from my

2321
01:23:43,199 --> 01:23:44,880
understanding is that we have to we have

2322
01:23:44,880 --> 01:23:47,120
standards and if they meet the standards

2323
01:23:47,120 --> 01:23:51,120
then it's approved. Right.

2324
01:23:51,120 --> 01:23:54,400
Special zone where that essentially is

2325
01:23:54,400 --> 01:23:55,920
going to be used.

2326
01:23:55,920 --> 01:23:58,080
>> Yeah. Yeah. [laughter] Going to like an

2327
01:23:58,080 --> 01:24:00,000
additional approval process than just

2328
01:24:00,000 --> 01:24:01,360
meeting code standards,

2329
01:24:01,360 --> 01:24:02,239
>> right?

2330
01:24:02,239 --> 01:24:03,760
>> I you might have talked about when I

2331
01:24:03,760 --> 01:24:05,760
went out. You can only have one. You can

2332
01:24:05,760 --> 01:24:08,719
either have an interior or an exterior.

2333
01:24:08,719 --> 01:24:11,040
Right.

2334
01:24:11,040 --> 01:24:12,480
>> I did have one question that somebody

2335
01:24:12,480 --> 01:24:14,400
had asked.

2336
01:24:14,400 --> 01:24:15,679
Animals.

2337
01:24:15,679 --> 01:24:17,280
>> Animals. Because right now if you have

2338
01:24:17,280 --> 01:24:19,440
any sort of animals and they are they

2339
01:24:19,440 --> 01:24:21,679
have to be so far away from

2340
01:24:21,679 --> 01:24:23,120
>> Oh, that's right. Someone did a dwelling

2341
01:24:23,120 --> 01:24:23,520
unit.

2342
01:24:23,520 --> 01:24:24,719
>> Dwelling unit. Yeah. And if somebody

2343
01:24:24,719 --> 01:24:26,000
puts a dwelling unit in their backyard,

2344
01:24:26,000 --> 01:24:27,440
do they have to now the neighbor has to

2345
01:24:27,440 --> 01:24:29,360
move their animals?

2346
01:24:29,360 --> 01:24:31,679
>> No, I thought it was in their own yard.

2347
01:24:31,679 --> 01:24:33,360
>> Well, so if I have an animal

2348
01:24:33,360 --> 01:24:35,120
>> and you decide to put a accessory

2349
01:24:35,120 --> 01:24:37,120
dwelling unit in your backyard, do I

2350
01:24:37,120 --> 01:24:38,560
have to now move my animals?

2351
01:24:38,560 --> 01:24:40,080
>> So that's not encroaching on my I don't

2352
01:24:40,080 --> 01:24:42,239
think so. Because the way the ordinance

2353
01:24:42,239 --> 01:24:45,199
reads, it says if you build a building

2354
01:24:45,199 --> 01:24:48,320
>> housing farm animals, it has to be 50 ft

2355
01:24:48,320 --> 01:24:50,320
from a dwelling on the adjacent lot.

2356
01:24:50,320 --> 01:24:51,840
Well, your farm animal is already there.

2357
01:24:51,840 --> 01:24:53,440
If everyone's building dwelling, you

2358
01:24:53,440 --> 01:24:54,560
don't have to change. It's

2359
01:24:54,560 --> 01:24:56,719
>> Well, it's if I was building the

2360
01:24:56,719 --> 01:24:57,199
building.

2361
01:24:57,199 --> 01:25:00,719
>> Yeah. And to to avoid creating, you

2362
01:25:00,719 --> 01:25:03,360
know, potentially having lots of legal

2363
01:25:03,360 --> 01:25:05,760
non-conforming situations where we have

2364
01:25:05,760 --> 01:25:07,920
to prove that, should we revise the code

2365
01:25:07,920 --> 01:25:10,080
to say from a primary dwelling? So then

2366
01:25:10,080 --> 01:25:12,960
that way if you add a DADU, there's

2367
01:25:12,960 --> 01:25:14,719
still enough of away that from that

2368
01:25:14,719 --> 01:25:16,800
primary drawing. So then we're not good.

2369
01:25:16,800 --> 01:25:18,639
>> Yeah. Right. I think that's fair.

2370
01:25:18,639 --> 01:25:20,880
>> This would be kind of play if I'm

2371
01:25:20,880 --> 01:25:24,239
building a building for farm animals.

2372
01:25:24,239 --> 01:25:26,800
That's the only way place it comes into

2373
01:25:26,800 --> 01:25:27,280
play.

2374
01:25:27,280 --> 01:25:27,840
>> Okay.

2375
01:25:27,840 --> 01:25:29,760
>> It does say at least 50 ft from

2376
01:25:29,760 --> 01:25:31,600
dwellings on adjacent properties. So I

2377
01:25:31,600 --> 01:25:33,120
think primary dwellings would be good.

2378
01:25:33,120 --> 01:25:36,000
Yeah. But does that say a structure for

2379
01:25:36,000 --> 01:25:37,520
the animals or it say the animals have

2380
01:25:37,520 --> 01:25:38,320
to be at least 50

2381
01:25:38,320 --> 01:25:40,159
>> structures for the careing of farm

2382
01:25:40,159 --> 01:25:40,800
animals?

2383
01:25:40,800 --> 01:25:44,470
>> Okay.

2384
01:25:44,480 --> 01:25:45,840
But if there's already a structure there

2385
01:25:45,840 --> 01:25:47,520
and it's already 50 ft away from there

2386
01:25:47,520 --> 01:25:50,400
and somebody comes and puts a DAU there

2387
01:25:50,400 --> 01:25:52,480
and now it's ft away.

2388
01:25:52,480 --> 01:25:54,400
>> So we're saying from the primary

2389
01:25:54,400 --> 01:25:57,440
>> primary. Yeah.

2390
01:25:57,440 --> 01:25:58,960
>> They're not building a farm build.

2391
01:25:58,960 --> 01:26:01,520
They're not building build

2392
01:26:01,520 --> 01:26:03,600
>> to build a farm one and there's a DAU

2393
01:26:03,600 --> 01:26:04,880
right there in my backyard.

2394
01:26:04,880 --> 01:26:06,480
>> Yeah. I I'm just thinking that like in

2395
01:26:06,480 --> 01:26:07,920
the future, right? Like if there ends up

2396
01:26:07,920 --> 01:26:09,520
being a code complaint between them and

2397
01:26:09,520 --> 01:26:12,560
then and the person that has the DADU is

2398
01:26:12,560 --> 01:26:14,159
now complaining that their farm animals

2399
01:26:14,159 --> 01:26:16,000
are too close to their

2400
01:26:16,000 --> 01:26:18,639
>> structure and then we get into this like

2401
01:26:18,639 --> 01:26:19,920
proof is on you guys to prove that you

2402
01:26:19,920 --> 01:26:21,920
have that that structure before this or

2403
01:26:21,920 --> 01:26:22,719
whatever.

2404
01:26:22,719 --> 01:26:24,239
>> If I just put if we just add code

2405
01:26:24,239 --> 01:26:28,800
language that says primary dwelling then hopefully that

2406
01:26:28,800 --> 01:26:31,520
If Yeah. You shouldn't take over the

2407
01:26:31,520 --> 01:26:32,719
right of your neighbor if they want to

2408
01:26:32,719 --> 01:26:34,560
have a chicken coop one day.

2409
01:26:34,560 --> 01:26:36,480
>> Exactly.

2410
01:26:36,480 --> 01:26:41,750
>> So, primary primary

2411
01:26:41,760 --> 01:26:42,800
uh

2412
01:26:42,800 --> 01:26:45,040
>> quick question. Um now that we've come

2413
01:26:45,040 --> 01:26:46,880
up with some of these things, is the

2414
01:26:46,880 --> 01:26:49,199
moratorum still standing or can people

2415
01:26:49,199 --> 01:26:49,520
have

2416
01:26:49,520 --> 01:26:51,760
>> mortorium is totally centered and I did

2417
01:26:51,760 --> 01:26:52,800
want to talk about it.

2418
01:26:52,800 --> 01:26:53,440
>> Okay.

2419
01:26:53,440 --> 01:26:54,480
>> Yeah. Go ahead.

2420
01:26:54,480 --> 01:26:55,760
>> What do you want to say? That's our

2421
01:26:55,760 --> 01:26:57,360
warning is if we can

2422
01:26:57,360 --> 01:26:59,120
>> we get this in place, let's remove it.

2423
01:26:59,120 --> 01:27:01,040
>> Okay, we can [clears throat] move it.

2424
01:27:01,040 --> 01:27:04,400
>> But the moratorum was mortorium was on

2425
01:27:04,400 --> 01:27:07,600
not just it wasn't on

2426
01:27:07,600 --> 01:27:10,880
it was it was just accessory buildings,

2427
01:27:10,880 --> 01:27:13,199
>> right?

2428
01:27:13,199 --> 01:27:17,199
>> So it has nothing to do with with these

2429
01:27:17,199 --> 01:27:19,040
>> unless we're still concerned people

2430
01:27:19,040 --> 01:27:20,880
building 30 foot tall structures right

2431
01:27:20,880 --> 01:27:23,679
on the which I think is still a concern.

2432
01:27:23,679 --> 01:27:26,400
>> I mean I which I think we're avoiding

2433
01:27:26,400 --> 01:27:28,320
that here with like what we're coming up

2434
01:27:28,320 --> 01:27:30,400
with the setbacks. I still think we need

2435
01:27:30,400 --> 01:27:32,080
to address some of we at least need to

2436
01:27:32,080 --> 01:27:33,040
look into it.

2437
01:27:33,040 --> 01:27:34,080
>> I think so.

2438
01:27:34,080 --> 01:27:35,840
>> Have you seen that with Jim by any

2439
01:27:35,840 --> 01:27:37,920
chance since the meeting? I mean, I know

2440
01:27:37,920 --> 01:27:40,400
that it it was really a big deal for

2441
01:27:40,400 --> 01:27:42,239
these guys to have that

2442
01:27:42,239 --> 01:27:44,080
>> and it is a big deal. And so, we've got

2443
01:27:44,080 --> 01:27:45,920
two applicants right now. And he says,

2444
01:27:45,920 --> 01:27:48,800
Jim, he says, I didn't I submitted my

2445
01:27:48,800 --> 01:27:50,560
application. I'm in waiting. If I would

2446
01:27:50,560 --> 01:27:52,159
have done this eight days ago, it would

2447
01:27:52,159 --> 01:27:55,120
be fine. He says, "I've got $15,000 in

2448
01:27:55,120 --> 01:27:56,719
plans and engineering." He says, "I have

2449
01:27:56,719 --> 01:27:58,159
a contractor lined up that I'm going to

2450
01:27:58,159 --> 01:28:00,080
use. I have winter coming." He says,

2451
01:28:00,080 --> 01:28:02,960
"Can we move this along? Can you just

2452
01:28:02,960 --> 01:28:03,920
let us know?" Right.

2453
01:28:03,920 --> 01:28:05,760
>> I feel like we do need to move it along.

2454
01:28:05,760 --> 01:28:08,320
And I feel like

2455
01:28:08,320 --> 01:28:11,199
two of those were legit. And then I have

2456
01:28:11,199 --> 01:28:12,480
seven other ones in the queue and

2457
01:28:12,480 --> 01:28:14,880
they're not moving as quickly. But

2458
01:28:14,880 --> 01:28:17,120
>> yeah, they're not they're not wrong. I I

2459
01:28:17,120 --> 01:28:18,800
think it's there too that so Jim and I

2460
01:28:18,800 --> 01:28:21,679
met with Will and and as we talked with

2461
01:28:21,679 --> 01:28:24,159
Will, he was like realizing that it's a

2462
01:28:24,159 --> 01:28:25,760
lot better than even he thought it was.

2463
01:28:25,760 --> 01:28:27,600
So some of this I think was maybe a

2464
01:28:27,600 --> 01:28:29,600
little bit overdone. Um

2465
01:28:29,600 --> 01:28:32,239
>> I I do have a question for

2466
01:28:32,239 --> 01:28:34,320
only supposed to be talking about detach

2467
01:28:34,320 --> 01:28:39,590
this work session. Okay.

2468
01:28:39,600 --> 01:28:41,760
» Question though. What about like RVs? It

2469
01:28:41,760 --> 01:28:43,679
was mentioned earlier. Do we need to

2470
01:28:43,679 --> 01:28:45,440
specifically say that that should not be

2471
01:28:45,440 --> 01:28:46,000
allowed?

2472
01:28:46,000 --> 01:28:48,560
>> Yeah, I I I know I want to add language

2473
01:28:48,560 --> 01:28:50,320
in there. We already have it stated in

2474
01:28:50,320 --> 01:28:52,719
our code, but like reemphasize here that

2475
01:28:52,719 --> 01:28:55,040
like camping trailers, you know,

2476
01:28:55,040 --> 01:28:56,719
temporary structures, those types of

2477
01:28:56,719 --> 01:28:58,800
things like a a DAU has to be a

2478
01:28:58,800 --> 01:29:00,320
permanent structure. So, anything that's

2479
01:29:00,320 --> 01:29:02,639
temporary, you can't use it.

2480
01:29:02,639 --> 01:29:04,400
>> Good.

2481
01:29:04,400 --> 01:29:05,199
>> I think that's it.

2482
01:29:05,199 --> 01:29:05,679
>> We're good.

2483
01:29:05,679 --> 01:29:07,600
>> Yeah.

2484
01:29:07,600 --> 01:29:09,600
>> Just the thing, are we going to try to

2485
01:29:09,600 --> 01:29:12,560
will you look into the family thing? Is

2486
01:29:12,560 --> 01:29:14,159
that an agreement that people want us

2487
01:29:14,159 --> 01:29:15,679
because you don't want to really rent an

2488
01:29:15,679 --> 01:29:19,520
ADU to four five non that I agree with

2489
01:29:19,520 --> 01:29:20,400
that

2490
01:29:20,400 --> 01:29:21,840
>> we're trying to do.

2491
01:29:21,840 --> 01:29:24,800
>> Remind me what you wanted to do with it.

2492
01:29:24,800 --> 01:29:25,679
>> Tell me what the

2493
01:29:25,679 --> 01:29:27,199
>> you find the definition of family.

2494
01:29:27,199 --> 01:29:29,120
>> No, I know what the definition is. I'm

2495
01:29:29,120 --> 01:29:32,080
wondering um what you wanted for the

2496
01:29:32,080 --> 01:29:32,880
definition.

2497
01:29:32,880 --> 01:29:34,320
>> Just the way the very first of our

2498
01:29:34,320 --> 01:29:36,239
definition says two or more people blood

2499
01:29:36,239 --> 01:29:38,880
related. So I just

2500
01:29:38,880 --> 01:29:40,000
>> two or more

2501
01:29:40,000 --> 01:29:42,000
>> what if there are people who cohabit

2502
01:29:42,000 --> 01:29:44,880
like as a couple but aren't blood

2503
01:29:44,880 --> 01:29:45,520
related?

2504
01:29:45,520 --> 01:29:47,040
>> Write that in there somehow. I agree

2505
01:29:47,040 --> 01:29:48,239
with that. If there's

2506
01:29:48,239 --> 01:29:52,022
>> I know you know not everyone get married

2507
01:29:52,022 --> 01:29:52,560
[laughter]

2508
01:29:52,560 --> 01:29:54,080
you want to avoid is we don't want it to

2509
01:29:54,080 --> 01:29:56,960
be a friend.

2510
01:29:56,960 --> 01:29:58,400
>> Well so that's why I just want to

2511
01:29:58,400 --> 01:30:02,080
clarify the langu but say two people who

2512
01:30:02,080 --> 01:30:02,960
are

2513
01:30:02,960 --> 01:30:04,560
>> well I don't know five people do two

2514
01:30:04,560 --> 01:30:06,080
people. I'm not so sure if we should do

2515
01:30:06,080 --> 01:30:08,320
that because I mean I rented my basement

2516
01:30:08,320 --> 01:30:10,239
out to two gals and they had two

2517
01:30:10,239 --> 01:30:11,760
bedrooms and they had their own bedroom

2518
01:30:11,760 --> 01:30:14,000
and

2519
01:30:14,000 --> 01:30:15,760
>> he's saying two is fine.

2520
01:30:15,760 --> 01:30:17,280
>> Oh,

2521
01:30:17,280 --> 01:30:20,320
it's five and it's ridiculous.

2522
01:30:20,320 --> 01:30:21,280
>> Do you have an issue there?

2523
01:30:21,280 --> 01:30:23,040
>> Or if you have two people are married or

2524
01:30:23,040 --> 01:30:25,360
not married but they're

2525
01:30:25,360 --> 01:30:26,800
fine child.

2526
01:30:26,800 --> 01:30:28,159
>> Yeah. Yeah, that's okay. We just don't

2527
01:30:28,159 --> 01:30:32,239
want to do like a college.

2528
01:30:32,239 --> 01:30:34,000
>> The children don't count because they're

2529
01:30:34,000 --> 01:30:35,600
children, not adults.

2530
01:30:35,600 --> 01:30:37,199
>> What if your own kids, you're not

2531
01:30:37,199 --> 01:30:38,719
renting. And if you're renting to your

2532
01:30:38,719 --> 01:30:40,239
kids' friends, you're really not. If

2533
01:30:40,239 --> 01:30:41,440
you're not renting to them, it doesn't

2534
01:30:41,440 --> 01:30:43,120
matter. So the definition is an

2535
01:30:43,120 --> 01:30:44,800
individual or two or more persons

2536
01:30:44,800 --> 01:30:46,960
related by blood, marriage, adoption or

2537
01:30:46,960 --> 01:30:49,040
guardianship or a group of not more than

2538
01:30:49,040 --> 01:30:52,800
five persons who are not uh who are not

2539
01:30:52,800 --> 01:30:55,440
also uh related living in a dwelling in

2540
01:30:55,440 --> 01:31:00,480
a single housing unit. So five persons

2541
01:31:00,480 --> 01:31:02,080
honestly I think that maybe we're

2542
01:31:02,080 --> 01:31:04,239
already covered with with our standard

2543
01:31:04,239 --> 01:31:07,679
here like two and then more than five.

2544
01:31:07,679 --> 01:31:11,360
So we have five people have five to say

2545
01:31:11,360 --> 01:31:14,080
I could have my single family dwelling

2546
01:31:14,080 --> 01:31:15,440
>> and then also I'm going to run it to

2547
01:31:15,440 --> 01:31:18,239
five 25 year old kids in the back. So

2548
01:31:18,239 --> 01:31:20,400
he's wondering if I should lower it if

2549
01:31:20,400 --> 01:31:22,800
the theme should be lowered so that the

2550
01:31:22,800 --> 01:31:25,120
so that it's not five when it reads

2551
01:31:25,120 --> 01:31:26,960
everything like you just said but then

2552
01:31:26,960 --> 01:31:29,520
at the end of it it says but

2553
01:31:29,520 --> 01:31:32,639
>> two or yeah or do we count it as like

2554
01:31:32,639 --> 01:31:34,159
it's because it's accessory to the

2555
01:31:34,159 --> 01:31:37,199
primary dwelling if you if you've got

2556
01:31:37,199 --> 01:31:38,400
people that are living in the primary

2557
01:31:38,400 --> 01:31:40,080
dwelling maybe they're related by blood

2558
01:31:40,080 --> 01:31:42,320
but then they've got other people on the

2559
01:31:42,320 --> 01:31:44,239
property overall the property doesn't

2560
01:31:44,239 --> 01:31:46,560
have more than 500

2561
01:31:46,560 --> 01:31:48,239
>> so property

2562
01:31:48,239 --> 01:31:49,440
sentence at the end of something.

2563
01:31:49,440 --> 01:31:52,159
>> That's still at the end. ADUs can have

2564
01:31:52,159 --> 01:31:54,639
no more than two nonreated.

2565
01:31:54,639 --> 01:31:56,159
>> I I think you got to be careful because

2566
01:31:56,159 --> 01:31:57,440
if you're running these, you got to

2567
01:31:57,440 --> 01:32:00,239
stand by the Fair Housing Act.

2568
01:32:00,239 --> 01:32:02,639
>> That's why I'm asking them to look into

2569
01:32:02,639 --> 01:32:04,960
>> I just maybe look into it. I I just

2570
01:32:04,960 --> 01:32:06,719
don't want them building one next door

2571
01:32:06,719 --> 01:32:09,199
to me and all of a sudden there's five

2572
01:32:09,199 --> 01:32:11,760
nonrelated kids living next to me out

2573
01:32:11,760 --> 01:32:13,280
there every night playing music and

2574
01:32:13,280 --> 01:32:15,760
drinking beer and doing whatever they do

2575
01:32:15,760 --> 01:32:18,080
up in Bear Lake every day, every

2576
01:32:18,080 --> 01:32:18,639
weekend, [laughter]

2577
01:32:18,639 --> 01:32:22,664
all night long.

2578
01:32:22,674 --> 01:32:25,830
[laughter]

2579
01:32:25,840 --> 01:32:28,320
» Yeah, we'll take this feedback and drop

2580
01:32:28,320 --> 01:32:29,120
the

2581
01:32:29,120 --> 01:32:31,679
>> Okay, THANKS SO MUCH ON THIS. THIS IS

2582
01:32:31,679 --> 01:32:34,400
GREAT.

2583
01:32:34,400 --> 01:32:36,800
people out there that want to say

2584
01:32:36,800 --> 01:32:40,719
>> you can say your turn.