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601 having arrived. I call to order this regular meeting of the municipal services facilities and infrastructure committee.

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The public and other city councilors will be recognized to ask questions and make comments on the agenda item under discussion.

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After being recognized, all remarks are to be made through the chair.

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I will not recognize an individual a second time until everyone has had an opportunity to speak.

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Those who wish to address the committee are asked to go to one of the microphones in the room.

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Clurps Office until Tuesday 1 p.m.

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There's a minute taker who is participating remotely this evening.

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Many members, Chair, remember to turn your microphone on prior to speaking.

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If the minute taker is unable to hear someone who will ask you to speak louder or turn your microphone on.

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I now call toward this regular meeting of the MSFI Committee and declare that we have

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a quorum present, Council Roberts is not with us, but we do have a quorum.

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One other minor issue this evening for the discussion on item five, the homelessness

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discussion.

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It will be recognizing the city manager first for comments, and then I'll open the meeting

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for comments from the audience in the room.

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Public comments for this portion of the discussion will be limited to three minutes.

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Council workmen is our timekeeper.

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I will encourage you not to repeat comments made previously and then to keep your recommendations

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within the line of scope of city government.

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The public will be recognized as questions.

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I may comments on the agenda item under discussion.

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And after being recognized all remarks, of course, are made through the chair, and I won't

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recognize the second time speaker until everyone else has had a chance to speak.

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For all that being said, first item on the agenda, we have an item memorandum of understanding

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with Keynes Day College, regarding locker rooms at the Icerina director, Rohan and.

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Thank you, Mr. Chairman, members of the Committee, Andy Bohinn, and Parks Recreation Facilities Director.

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So before you tonight, we had come back, well, we have previously come to you earlier this year,

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related to a discussion about keen state college and the expansion of the men's and women's ice hockey teams at keen ice.

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We have had some preliminary conversations and continue those conversations related to the ice time,

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related to the bill, what that's going to look like in now, where at a stage that we need

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to move forward and have agreements prepared between the two entities, so we that we can move

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forward and allow King State to create its bid processes, which would be followed in like

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manner of what the city does as well.

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So in order to do that, we need to have that revised motion that is before you tonight.

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Natalie Hodor is here with the college if you need her to expand on that, but this is

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the space that's underneath it keen ice, which I know you're familiar with.

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There's the bleachers and there's nothing under the bleachers. We're looking to expand that area

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and then go back into some of the storage space within the city building. So that's why it's

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of keen because entirely it's our building and so that's why we want to move forward.

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We will bring keen ice in related to that.

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One of the things that's important is with this motion it identifies, you know, just keen state

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is building this out at their expense and they have brought that forward to in the previous

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meeting but just wanted to reiterate that.

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I notice that this says Negotiate and Execute.

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I do trust the City Manager to Negotiate.

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I just want to make really clear to defend the position

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of keen high school, keen cobras, and all the other than keen state.

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Yes, we have thank you, Mr. Chairman.

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We have had conversations with keen high hockey,

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We've been in continuous conversations with Gary, who is the ranked services manager, who oversees all of the ranks for, including keen ice, just to be sure that ice time is, and we've identified for them, the practice time is during the week, which is like really a non-issue for any of the other groups, because they're taking ice time that

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It's not currently being used.

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Game times is going to be a work in progress.

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Year one will probably be a little bit of a struggle.

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It's trying to maneuver all of keen high

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and keen state and all of those.

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And then as it gets through that first year,

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year two, year three, year four,

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and through many years to come hopefully,

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it shouldn't be a problem at all.

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I hope so.

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Committee questions?

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I agree.

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And do you have the construction schedule?

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So as of right now, we're still in the process of identifying the agreements and finalizing

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those.

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Key and state colleges is putting together a bid package.

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Once we're able to get through this process to move forward, they're preparing the bid

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documents.

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We get those contracts executed.

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They'll go out the bid.

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And then we will have a timeline, they're going to start their hockey season, regardless of the locker rooms are done or not.

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So they'll find alternative ways to make sure that the teams have adequate space to do the things that they need.

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at Keyknice and then one of those rooms of built.

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So they're starting the season next this time next year

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in late October, November I think November 1st

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by NCAA is when games can begin.

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So there is that little bit of a process

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that's going to be some overlap, but this is a little bit

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of an accelerated timeline, but we're working towards

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making sure they can do the best we can.

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just follow up to that is it was brought to my attention that there might be some digging

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that might we have to be done through basically that the blast loss room is that correct?

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It's a possibility, I'm not going to say that it's a hundred percent, so there is basically

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two options that may need to happen.

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One we pump up an over the blast loss room or we go underneath the blast loss room.

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So those are still two things that we're looking at.

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And until we have an engineer on board in an architect,

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we're not going to be able to determine that just yet.

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The reason I was brought to my attention is

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to my attention because obviously that's a award polling place.

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And we have periodic elections coming up.

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And if we were going to be digging the floor,

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that could raise some problems with elections,

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where we might have to find an alternative spot.

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So that was my question for the schedule.

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Yes, that is correct. We are aware of the potential change in the state, how they

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may potentially do a election in either June or August, which then that particular one might

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be in a little bit of a conflict. And I know that our city clerk is working with the state and

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I am sure to clarify that and but that once we get into later October when we have our normal elections we should be okay.

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That shouldn't be a disruption.

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All right.

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Thank you.

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Any committee questions?

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Public.

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Seeing none.

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A motion please Councillor.

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Move that the municipal services facilities infrastructure committee recommend that the city manager be authorized to do all things necessary to negotiate.

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and execute a memorandum of understanding with Keyn State College to include a development agreement

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and lease for the purpose of the installation by Keyn State College at its cost and expense

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of locker rooms together with required utilities, including but not limited to water and waste

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services at the Keyn Ice location.

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Second motion has been made and seconded and I think from the public committee therefore all in favor

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Okay, sort of all unanimous

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Okay next item on the agenda. Thank you. Thank you director

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We have a communication from Stephen Braggden and we're going to say safety issues at 82

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Court Street.

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Would you like to address your letter, please?

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Yep.

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Stephen Bragg and I live at 51 Railroad Street.

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My office, along with my wife Cheryl Bellayers at 82 Court Street.

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We're asking the city to place two no parking signs.

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One to the south of our driveway, one to the north of our driveway,

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the south one is 22 feet, the north one we'd like to have at 30 feet.

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There's two signs there now, it's, I'm told by the city that they weren't authorized,

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and I'd say that pouring that cement in the middle of the winter was tough for me,

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was able to get them in. I was a joke, but I was wondering if I was wondering if I was wondering

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the point being that they're there. I'm not sure exactly how they got there, but they have

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served a purpose except that one on the north side is not far enough from the driveway. Since

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We've been since I've been at the office, which has been for a long time, parking in downtown

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Keene has really changed.

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The outside of the office for years never had a current front of it or very seldom had

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a current front of it.

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The parking meters I'm not sure when, but we're placed almost up to our driveway.

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I think it's in front of the senior citizen center.

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I think there is one if not in front of John Burke's office, which is just on the road, that's where they end.

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So people park in where the parking meters are and then they leave and so for long periods of time there's nobody parking there.

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to beginning at our drive way or just before you can park without paying for parking.

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And so, as time has gone on, that being the closest area to downtown on court street,

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people come and they park there early in the morning and they park very close together and they park

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you know, further north. The further away from downtown, the less parking there is. So,

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North of us, I don't think the issue is quite as great because it's further to walk for people

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to park south of us. It's not as great because it's parking meters. We've had in the last

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five years to accidents from people moving out of our driveway or driving out of the driveway.

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Not serious ones, but accidents that cause damages to two cars.

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When you pull out of our driveway and you look north,

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the ground slopes up so you can't

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see cars above the park cars.

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You have to look to see if they're far enough apart the cars coming down between

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the park cars, the space between the park cars.

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When you look south, it's a little easier because you're looking down and you can see the

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cars coming up further, you're looking at the cars on the other side of the road, so you

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got a better line of sight.

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I've seen the chart that the city's produced here.

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I mean, I might want to speak to it again after bullets.

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But first, we have a lot more people.

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Our building is different in the sense that we have a lot more people going in and out than the single family

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that are north of us.

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Which, and a lot of the single families, they leave in the morning to come back at night.

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There's not as anywhere near as much traffic going in and out.

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So we have a worse problem at our particular location.

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Further, I mean, I guess this shows that if they treated everybody on the street,

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the same as they treated us, then there would be 30 less parking areas, spaces.

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But I would contend that one, you're not going to treat everybody the same because everybody

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doesn't have the same problem. And two, the way to pick the fixed parking issue isn't

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to create spaces where accidents can occur or not solve the issues where accidents do occur.

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but to build a parking garage, maybe put in parking meters.

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There's other solutions. I don't think it's a fair argument that, well, I would say that I wouldn't

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want to argue that 30 parking spaces is worth a life or severe injury.

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I think I request

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make sense. I think it makes sense for us. It makes sense for the public and it makes sense

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of the city and if you have any questions, I'd be happy to try to answer them.

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At this time, committee,

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city staff, thank you.

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Thank you Mr. Chair, don't lose your city engineer.

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Just a few comments for your consideration.

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This sort of came to a head with an item that was in front of this committee,

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about almost a year ago now on February of 23.

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We were here discussing a request for no parking area on in front of a specific property

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on Washington Street, and as part of that, the city council heard it from the public

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work's director and approved a policy where we would delineate individual parking stalls

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to try to make the on-street parking where it was applicable or more efficient and well-organized.

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And also try to, you know, keep people a little bit further back from, from driveway, entrances

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and whatnot to ease that situation.

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So we, we discussed that, we, you know, approve that policy back in February.

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That's fall we started implementing that.

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We've painted Washington Street, we're working our way up, courts Street.

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And when we got in front of the petitioners' addresses when they sort of realized,

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has to hold off while this came to the council for consideration.

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So, just for your memory and sort of background, when this came up last year, last February,

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we mentioned that the areas that are applicable would include court straight up to school

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street on the west side, union straight on the east side.

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So, we were extending the areas with delineated parking from, I think, currently at ends

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around the mechanic street, up to those union and school.

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The Attorney-Bragon mentioned that there's a couple of no parking signs in front of that

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property today, and I certainly can't with a straight face tell you that they weren't installed

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by public works at some point in the past.

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They certainly look like all of our signs.

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What I can tell you is that they weren't codified in city code.

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So I don't know why they were put up.

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I can't answer that question, but they were put up and they're not enforceable,

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because they're not backed up by appropriate city ordinance.

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And when we met myself in the highway superintendent met with attorney

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And we discussed that, you know, that the science weren't valid and what we're trying to do with its policy.

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The other thing I mentioned to him and that I think, you know, that they're going to disagree with me on, but I'll explain anyway.

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I would love to be able to tell you that there's some unique circumstance at this driveway that represents a hardship on the petitioner.

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And that's why we should make this change to the city code.

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Unfortunately, I just, I can't find any unique characteristics of this driveway that makes

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it any different than any other driveway through this commercial mixed-use zone.

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The Attorney-Bragton mentioned the grade, and it does slope, as you go from north to south,

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it does slope down in elevation, but that slope is relatively constant. So it doesn't

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create any site line issues where a car is coming over a hill or this sort of thing.

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And because of that, I have a hard time recommending to this committee that we make a special

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one off no parking zone, but that's that's the situation before us. So just for, you know,

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sort of comparison purposes, my staff and I looked at the area that's applicable for parking

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stall delineation, this slide what you see is what's out there today if we were to implement

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that policy that we talked about in February. We think in the actually there's a typo in the

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memo on your packet, it says 68, there's actually 70 parking spaces that we would delineate

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today between court street and school street. And, you know, this, this, this next graphic

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assumes that we, we approve the petitioner's request for every driveway in the corridor, which

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is not what they're asking for, obviously. But just for comparison purposes, if, if ASF,

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You could advance the slide, please.

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Asa?

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She's running.

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So I must be able to advance the slide.

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She's down there.

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Oh, thank you.

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She's awesome.

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So this slide shows, if we were to apply the same 30 foot and 22 foot buffers on each side of

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every driveway through this corridor, it would reduce the total parking stalls of

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available to 49.

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So, 21 actually did not quite the 30 that it's early bragged and mentioned, but, you

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know, at a time when parking is at a premium in the downtown, it's not insignificant.

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So, it is something to consider.

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And with that, I'd be happy to step away or take your questions.

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Is this some standard that number that you mentioned, how many feet from the driveway?

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So what our code says today is that you're not allowed to park in front of or in close proximity to a private driveway.

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Now unfortunately our code doesn't define what close proximity is.

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For the purposes of this analysis and when we were planning these individual stalls, we used five feet.

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So five feet from the edge of the driveway back,

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would provide you with the same sort of turning radius, if you will, as what's allowed in the city code for a private driveway.

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So, a private driveway for residents is a maximum of 20 feet wide at the property line, but we allow it to flare out to 30 feet wide at the curb line.

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So, we figured, you know, that's a reasonable distance offset in order to allow people to turn in and out.

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Okay, what I'm wondering is, this no parking zone is flexible, we could change it.

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We could change it.

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And I'm wondering what the implications would be to the whole street if we were to increase

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it from the five feet, which I think is inadequate to a full 25 feet or what do you, then

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we would essentially get to what you see on the screen now here.

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but that you could go in your room between two.

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That's right.

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And perhaps they accomplish the same thing.

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That's correct.

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And I just looked at those two extremes.

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I don't know.

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That's analysis.

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That's 49 spaces includes 30 feet on the upstream side

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and 22 feet on the downstream side,

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which is what's included.

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But you could shrink it, too.

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Absolutely.

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Whatever you want to do.

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In work.

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For point of reference, we did look at

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when we were reviewing this code,

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some time ago. What that driveway buffer should be. Other towns and cities in New Hampshire have

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anything from the ones that have a distance have anywhere from two feet to five feet. It's sort

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of the range. A lot of municipalities don't have a specific distance that they divide. To me, this is all

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It's about safety, which is why this is here, which is why I'm trying to reach some kind of a solution to it.

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The other thought is it could be on a case by case, basis if property owner requested that there was a need,

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then that's different from, and that one who has an office versus one who has just a private residence.

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To be clear, that's what the applicant has requested, in this case, to put that into effect.

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The recommendation would be for the committee and the council to tell staff to come back with an ordinance to make that an effective prohibition.

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And they're the only ones that have asked at this point.

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We have to kind of make the assumption, though, that if this is allowed here, there's probably other businesses in the corridor that are going

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want a similar parking prohibition in front of their properties.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

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Just again.

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The city industry was reminding you of the discussion back for 1991, Washington Street.

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Basically everything that this petitioner mentioned was mentioned at that particular.

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They had the same concerns.

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They had similar issues of sight distances, close calls, etc.

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I think as we're dealing with the urban environment and you're going to be and I guess I'm going to step back and also talk about a little bit about

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As you're encouraging in field development as you're encouraging mixed use you're going to see more and more of these types of conflicts

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That a more denser you get the more activity that that that's going to occur that's why you see as a city engineer mentioned

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and the distances really are about blocking

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things, anywhere from that, again, that two to five feet

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or in the descriptions that we typically have here

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about not impeding movement in and out.

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That's why they looked at that five feet.

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I think if you talk about it and see injury in any case,

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if you can imagine, basically a stall is 18 feet.

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So, again, if you were to say we're not going to do a stall

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on either side, that's basically for every driveway

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that would be two spaces.

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So, in this case, he says it's down to 49.

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Maybe you might be able to make it up to 50, but you're going to be basically cutting a third of the parking area

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That's available within the corridor and as you mentioned was we talked about that this corridor is is for your

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Court streets for your Washington streets for your in many ways your west streets your lower main street, et cetera

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where again you are the city

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Council is encouraging these mix uses and no loss of parking you had a very

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large discussion about no loss of parking recently through another process so safety is

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concerned certainly but just about speeds to hear the speeds are low so you're not

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you're not coming up 30 miles an hour if I'm 25 this is when the 25 is known so these

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are things to be keeping in the back your mind it would be difficult to say well decide what

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you want to do on each individual area because again I think most people want is much

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So, any of these are going to be back in front of you because they're not necessarily going to agree with staff because we're always going to be, no, that's not enough.

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That's nothing that we're using anymore.

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As far as what Councillor Greenwell mentioned on a case-by-case basis, I was going to ask that too, and as soon as he said that, I just saw the city attorney's head just been a few times.

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So I guess I want to refer to this back over the city attorney's side, a client's expression, on a legal standpoint, if we were to say, okay, we're just going to grant this exception and then we'll deal a little of somebody else asks down the road, is there a legal issue of be running into here?

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Yes, potentially.

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To do it sort of on a case-by-case basis, this is sort of arbitrary.

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There is something in the law called discretionary function immunity, where you, if you adopt

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a policy, if you have considered and reviewed and adopted a policy that's fairly consistent

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that is consistent within the city and situations like this, you get discretionary function immunity,

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which means that if there is an accident that occurs, you can point to that policy as sort of an exemption

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from the immunity that might apply.

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This comes out of an old case and not that old,

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a manchester, which was a similar situation

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where there was an accident involving a parking space

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and the claim, which is not necessarily up and down,

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he knows this case, and it was claimed

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that there was negligence by the city

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with respect to the placement of the parking space.

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And the courts concluded that because the parking

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was developed through a process that involved the, you know, the governing body and its agencies that, you know, they fell within that policy and there was discretionary function immunity.

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So, it I'm not suggesting to you, you should have shouldn't do anything with respect to this specific request.

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But what you, if you are going to do something with it, you should consider how it impacts the corridor and it should be consistent throughout the corridor.

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or throat corridors that are similar to the one that we're talking about now.

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That's sort of the point.

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So, I'd rather see something consistent rather than the idea that you would look at these on a case by case basis.

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Just to follow up on that.

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So, basically, you know, we've got current and then plan A.

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We sent it back to staff to come up with a plan B, C, and D.

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Somewhere between here and here, is that doable?

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I'll just wait for somebody to hear it.

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Well, I guess this is a problem with my work structure.

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I certainly could do doable.

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We can, as I always say, weaken in.

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Do you know anything? Just how much you want to pay for it?

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But we would also want to make sure that, again, when we come back, I get what are the parameters that we're talking about again, as you talk about safety. Again, we'll come back and say, as your professionals, we believe this is the safe way of doing this. And I said, we would go and look at what are other communities are doing, etc. So what I'm hearing and what the senior report to you is, hey, they're doing five feet, maybe seven feet.

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Right now that policy we develop based off the Washington Street issue is the see and you're mentioned we are going back

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Five feet on either side. I don't know if we're going to come back and say from our opinion you need to give more space

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I guess if you want more space we can do that and then tell you what necessarily the impacts are going to be so

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Yeah, we can come up with plans A, B, C, and D is just

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It's back to the city to see the attorney's point

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what are we justifying

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this particular distance, and then are we going to make sure that that distance, then remains going forward, that's the point.

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I get it. But there is a different situation with an office building with traffic versus a duplex with a medical traffic.

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Again, absolutely. And I think, as you heard with the city engineer was talking about when we developed that policy, we did parameter what the types of activities are.

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So in Washington Street, up by fuller school, you have basically a very similar functioning operation there,

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as the same as you have here. You have similar levels, volumes of traffic, up by that location as you do here.

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And why that standard on Washington Street in here has different numbers for

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do plus versus an office for residential is correct, I mean certainly there there can be

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different needs for different types of activities or functions or zoning. But remember again

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part of the challenge here is these are an area that are in transition. Today that area could be a

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single family, tomorrow it could be a multifamily in the day after that it could be a

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commercial building. That's what these buildings are today. At one time these were single family buildings, right. Today, they are now this.

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I don't want to just ship this off as informational, which is basically nothing's going to happen.

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Thinking probably more likely to send it back to staff for, do you want us to look at the policy?

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I mean I guess that's really the question is, do you want us to go back and look at the policy that was established?

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by the petitioner from 1951, Washington, sorry.

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Yeah, well, okay.

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Yeah, I'm not speaking for the committee,

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because committee hasn't spoken,

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but I think it would make sense that there are different situations

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that need different answers,

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and we're not getting them here,

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either.

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Nothing or grant this one situation.

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Well, I think the point is right now the next guy.

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Well, the answer that you came up with and you adopted

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for that facility on Washington Street.

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What I'm telling you is, that's the same function as this particular property is, too.

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So both these properties are a similar type of operation.

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They have multi-canoncent, they have, in this case, also a real estate,

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a miscontricular one, et cetera.

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It's very good.

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This is, again, an office complex, et cetera, very similar.

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So if we apply that to this request, what do we get?

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I'm sorry, I love a missed that question.

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If we apply the solution to Washington Street to the court street,

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what's the answer?

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70 parking spaces and just Mr. Braggden situation, not the whole street.

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So what we laid out and we're starting to mark was the same criteria

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area that we use to mark out Washington Street in front of 1991 included.

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So that's the basically five feet and then all of the other prohibitions for crosswalks

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in hydrants and it would be five feet.

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Okay, I'll throw it to the committee.

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I'm informed on this by trying to pull out onto Washington Street most days and frequently.

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being, having my view blocked by a parked vehicle, a lot of times, you know, vehicles

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are a lot bigger than they used to be, taller, pick trucks, harder to see around, that

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should inform our parking decisions. I agree with Mitch that five feet is a little short,

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especially on a road that has this much traffic, as Washington Street does as well.

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So, I would say five feet is not enough, maybe 25 feet is too much.

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I would like to see nine feet, which would be half a parking space, and I think is, you know,

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maybe a reasonable number to target.

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Yeah.

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Just followed a question.

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I guess.

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I know.

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Good team.

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Yeah.

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Good team.

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Good team.

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But if I guess going back to you, we in the city attorney again, based on Mr.

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Braggon's request that, we're looking at a very busy business.

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And if we did grant that in front of the business, because it is a busy business and

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it is not a dueplexary of residential property, could we grant it just based on that?

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And if somebody with a residential home turns it into a business down the road, then they

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fall into the same jurisdiction.

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But until that point, businesses such as their lower office would have a different requirement and then say a duplex or a single family home, would we be with our legal, you know,

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I think that if you crafted that as a policy to, I'm going to have to think about it look at it, but I think if you crafted a policy that basically made distinctions between uses,

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I think you probably will be able to do that, but doing it tonight at Hock.

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No, I don't think we'll go on the fly.

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Because it comes to what I heard you say if we grant this, you know, is that okay?

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Not tonight.

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Not tonight.

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You know, I'd have to say we wouldn't have to work through that.

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But like I said, it doesn't tell you what you should do.

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It tells you the process in which you should do it.

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Right. So if we wanted to take a look at that, you know, then the question that court is raising is, you know, that gets codified somewhere. I'm not sure we have to put it in city code. We have to think about that a little bit.

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Yeah, our technical space. Yeah, yeah. Right. Right.

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That's right.

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So if it doesn't go in city code, then it's a little easier to, if as court has pointed out, there's a change in the use of a particular property, that could result in a change in the parking configuration in front of that property.

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Yeah, and the whole street can, because it's sort of like an accordion, but you'd have to be able, you need to

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modify it somehow, maybe? Yeah, councilor. Thank you. I have a question for the city engineer. Is there any

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other traffic mitigation tools that could be used to alleviate people coming in and out of

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that drive way so that they have more visibility for cars like, you know, the magnifier

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or something like that.

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The question we get quite a lot more than you imagine is folks ask us if we can put up like the magnifying mirrors.

438
00:38:03,020 --> 00:38:12,360
And what I tell them always is that magnifying mirror is not a recognized traffic control safety device.

439
00:38:12,360 --> 00:38:15,780
the city should not be installing those.

440
00:38:16,980 --> 00:38:21,000
That, you know, I think the city attorney's Pope

441
00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:24,900
time would start spinning if we were to suggest that.

442
00:38:24,900 --> 00:38:27,740
That said, I know that there are locations in the city

443
00:38:27,740 --> 00:38:30,320
where people have put them up, and I don't think we have a

444
00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:33,440
policy of proactively going and removing them.

445
00:38:34,340 --> 00:38:36,880
But that's not a, you know, an industry standard

446
00:38:36,880 --> 00:38:39,480
or recognized appropriate safety device.

447
00:38:39,840 --> 00:38:41,160
Sure, it's built around about.

448
00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:44,060
I'm on four board for it.

449
00:38:44,480 --> 00:38:44,840
Let's go.

450
00:38:45,260 --> 00:38:46,460
No, no, no, no more.

451
00:38:46,720 --> 00:38:51,140
Are there other type of tools that could be used other than that?

452
00:38:51,460 --> 00:38:57,860
So the public work director already mentioned that this is fairly low speed court

453
00:38:57,860 --> 00:39:02,220
or the times when we've done traffic and speed studies.

454
00:39:03,240 --> 00:39:08,220
The 85th percentile has been below the 30 mile per hour city wide zone.

455
00:39:08,220 --> 00:39:11,120
I think this is actually, it's 25 mile per hour zone.

456
00:39:12,500 --> 00:39:15,260
So that would be sort of like the first thing

457
00:39:15,260 --> 00:39:17,580
is by slowing cars down.

458
00:39:18,040 --> 00:39:22,480
You give more reaction time for people to see traffic

459
00:39:22,480 --> 00:39:24,640
entering the roadway and break appropriately.

460
00:39:26,240 --> 00:39:28,360
But in terms of improving visibility,

461
00:39:29,020 --> 00:39:30,500
not that I can think of, no.

462
00:39:30,860 --> 00:39:32,320
I'll have that one other question.

463
00:39:33,740 --> 00:39:39,920
It's my understanding for a lot on Elm Street is open to the public, correct for parking.

464
00:39:40,840 --> 00:39:46,080
It's not just a number of parking spaces there that are open to the public.

465
00:39:46,100 --> 00:39:47,840
It's not the entirety of the lot.

466
00:39:49,060 --> 00:39:49,320
Thank you.

467
00:39:49,560 --> 00:39:50,200
That's all I have.

468
00:39:50,600 --> 00:39:51,320
Yes, Chris.

469
00:39:53,330 --> 00:39:56,190
I think looking at the long range possibility,

470
00:39:56,190 --> 00:40:04,270
I think we may end up being creating a greater problem than we're solving a short term

471
00:40:05,430 --> 00:40:12,490
because if I have a business and then I go in and say okay I'm going to have

472
00:40:12,490 --> 00:40:18,270
possible business, pop, pop, pop, pop, housing and then I'm going to have housing

473
00:40:18,270 --> 00:40:25,270
and then we've created a road with no standard. So you may have a 10 foot gap here

474
00:40:25,270 --> 00:40:32,470
24 get there and now I have housing and I turn it into, if I have four units, a housing

475
00:40:32,470 --> 00:40:38,310
like, for example, with use of one next to Franklin School, I decide I'm going to change

476
00:40:38,310 --> 00:40:46,150
that into four businesses, so more people are going to be parking along the road and then we're

477
00:40:46,150 --> 00:40:52,010
going back and forth. And now if I say I have business, I come in here and I say I have a business,

478
00:40:52,010 --> 00:41:01,330
I know I used to be housing, so now I need a wider gap, and so if we're going to solve

479
00:41:01,330 --> 00:41:07,110
this problem, I think we're going to have to use not something that's going to come back

480
00:41:07,110 --> 00:41:13,350
next month, we have to go and look at something that's not going to create a problem every six

481
00:41:13,350 --> 00:41:23,510
months, every year, because the usage of the facility can change, and so, and part of

482
00:41:23,510 --> 00:41:29,890
that, looking at that, if we're going to say, if this change is, what is the domino effect

483
00:41:29,890 --> 00:41:38,730
going down, and so, otherwise, if we don't come up with a process, every time there's a change

484
00:41:38,730 --> 00:41:44,350
going to be here. There needs to be a process that the whether we

485
00:41:44,350 --> 00:41:49,830
codify it or what. The city engineering, the public works in deal with

486
00:41:50,170 --> 00:41:54,570
without having to come to us all the time.

487
00:41:54,970 --> 00:42:01,150
For example, it says, yes, every year we're going to look at this before we

488
00:42:01,150 --> 00:42:07,150
repaint the lines. Not repaint in lines and then someone come in after

489
00:42:07,810 --> 00:42:10,930
We're doing the annual repayment of the lines and saying,

490
00:42:11,490 --> 00:42:12,970
no, this isn't going to work.

491
00:42:13,970 --> 00:42:18,070
So if I may Mr. Chair, to Councilor Roberts point,

492
00:42:18,210 --> 00:42:22,030
I would suggest if the council and the committee want to do something

493
00:42:22,030 --> 00:42:25,510
that's more context sensitive in terms of the standard.

494
00:42:26,130 --> 00:42:30,610
I would suggest that it be based more on the land use zone

495
00:42:30,870 --> 00:42:33,710
rather than individual business tenants or activities.

496
00:42:34,370 --> 00:42:38,870
Since that, you know, it's going to be more stable over time, it changes relatively slowly.

497
00:42:40,710 --> 00:42:46,970
What I'm hearing all over, as this discussion is rolling, pretty likely staff needs to do some work.

498
00:42:47,330 --> 00:42:50,930
Maybe bring it back to us at the next meeting. Yep, next. Manager.

499
00:42:52,630 --> 00:42:57,870
So I do believe we created a policy that was based on the zone and the uses and the zone.

500
00:42:57,970 --> 00:42:59,190
So we did do that.

501
00:42:59,190 --> 00:43:04,610
I believe we did bring it to the committee and you did decide on the five feet and we did paint the lines

502
00:43:05,410 --> 00:43:11,930
I think the the challenge is, you know, if we do make a change here

503
00:43:11,930 --> 00:43:16,370
I'm certain we'll have to also make a change on Washington Street because it's the same zone

504
00:43:16,370 --> 00:43:20,730
So it not only impacts this street it impacts that street. I

505
00:43:20,730 --> 00:43:21,930
would challenge

506
00:43:21,930 --> 00:43:28,870
out. Did you paint Washington Street? It's challenge. People to go out and see if the five feet

507
00:43:28,870 --> 00:43:33,910
works before we change it again and maybe you have Councillor Williams, you haven't.

508
00:43:34,150 --> 00:43:38,630
Well, I haven't. You haven't. I have checked it out and I'm not too happy with the around the

509
00:43:38,630 --> 00:43:44,170
University. Okay, around the Beaver Street but I would check it out and because we did just line

510
00:43:44,170 --> 00:43:50,450
at based on the policy you just adopted because quite honestly we will get requests from people

511
00:43:50,450 --> 00:43:54,450
because they are going to want more space and find their building and it's very difficult

512
00:43:54,450 --> 00:44:00,730
to change the policy based on individuals coming forward to a committee who may convince

513
00:44:00,730 --> 00:44:07,950
you to do something different and so it really should be based on the zone and what is safe

514
00:44:07,950 --> 00:44:12,350
and what makes sense and it should be applied consistently so that when and I don't like this

515
00:44:12,350 --> 00:44:18,310
then comes six months later you say we adopted a policy we implemented the policy we can review

516
00:44:18,310 --> 00:44:24,430
the policy in the future, but unless someone convinces us, this isn't working, you know,

517
00:44:25,250 --> 00:44:26,390
try hard not to do that.

518
00:44:26,410 --> 00:44:27,170
No, it sounds good.

519
00:44:27,490 --> 00:44:32,470
And also, I don't want to be wasting money on repaying the street repeatedly.

520
00:44:33,110 --> 00:44:36,910
I'm surprised that even was done because the last thing I heard was we didn't have the money

521
00:44:36,910 --> 00:44:37,810
for it.

522
00:44:38,550 --> 00:44:40,410
So I'm happy that it was.

523
00:44:41,590 --> 00:44:47,150
And as much as I hate more time, now that we've heard the story and we can go out and actually

524
00:44:47,150 --> 00:44:52,650
look at the road, I think that actually might be appropriate to bring it back next

525
00:44:52,650 --> 00:44:58,770
next meeting. What would you like to do between now and then? Again? What would you like us to do but

526
00:44:58,770 --> 00:44:59,610
I don't know, I don't know.

527
00:44:59,610 --> 00:44:59,930
I don't know.

528
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:01,980
Okay. Okay. Just give us the opportunity.

529
00:45:02,320 --> 00:45:09,840
I believe me. Now that I heard what you've said, but he said, and what Mr. Braves said, and just see.

530
00:45:10,060 --> 00:45:11,180
Okay. That sounds good.

531
00:45:11,300 --> 00:45:17,240
It's funny. Yeah, just one more sort of cautionary note, you know, part of my role is the more cautious, I think.

532
00:45:18,900 --> 00:45:29,460
But it's important to remember that once you do this, and once we have a policy in place, and once it applies, it's very important not to change it every six months, every year.

533
00:45:29,460 --> 00:45:36,820
It's going to be there because otherwise you lose the protection, because it's not discretionary

534
00:45:36,820 --> 00:45:41,500
immunity anymore, it becomes just sort of ad hoc once again, so just to be clear about that.

535
00:45:41,760 --> 00:45:48,020
Well, personally I found this very informational on my part, just hearing what's our standard,

536
00:45:48,480 --> 00:45:55,760
what's this, and what Mr. Brideman saying, and what we've done, and I want to experience, I want to drive it.

537
00:45:55,760 --> 00:45:55,900
Yeah.

538
00:45:56,600 --> 00:45:58,200
And I also want to 50.

539
00:45:58,560 --> 00:45:58,580
Yeah.

540
00:45:58,580 --> 00:46:03,120
Just to say that I agree, we don't want to be changing the policy every six months, but

541
00:46:03,120 --> 00:46:08,980
we did just make a policy and I think it's okay to take a look at, is this policy doing

542
00:46:08,980 --> 00:46:13,220
what we want to do in the way we want to do it and make adjustments once or maybe twice

543
00:46:13,220 --> 00:46:17,480
and then let it go, but certainly not on a regular basis.

544
00:46:18,800 --> 00:46:19,780
Councillor Roberts.

545
00:46:21,060 --> 00:46:25,100
Since I don't know if this has ever happened before, but it has ever happened while

546
00:46:25,100 --> 00:46:32,860
been on it. People are talking about going out to look, shouldn't we as a committee go out

547
00:46:32,860 --> 00:46:37,980
and look because as a city council we would go out and look and whoever shows up gets

548
00:46:37,980 --> 00:46:45,370
right to vote and council Williams just mentioned some stuff and I have no idea what he's

549
00:46:46,180 --> 00:46:52,140
talking about and so I don't think we should be going all individually we should be going

550
00:46:52,740 --> 00:46:56,480
as a committee, so we all know what each person is talking about.

551
00:46:57,300 --> 00:46:58,740
You could do that.

552
00:46:58,960 --> 00:47:00,700
It would need to be publicly noticed.

553
00:47:01,480 --> 00:47:03,180
You know, beforehand is a meeting in the committee.

554
00:47:03,340 --> 00:47:05,920
It's like a site visit at that location.

555
00:47:06,420 --> 00:47:10,380
The public would ever write to attend and observe.

556
00:47:10,980 --> 00:47:15,360
You don't necessarily have to allow public comment during that period of time, but you might want to.

557
00:47:15,840 --> 00:47:17,760
But you could do that.

558
00:47:17,760 --> 00:47:22,480
personally I'm good with I just want to go on and there's nothing

559
00:47:22,480 --> 00:47:29,020
that we need to individually you can go out and take a look at it as

560
00:47:29,020 --> 00:47:36,240
no information answer if we were to put this on more time tonight is there any

561
00:47:37,280 --> 00:47:49,600
negative ramifications to that unless somebody gets hit by a car but no I

562
00:47:49,600 --> 00:48:00,040
anything from the public, committee. Councillor. I move to, oh, some understanding.

563
00:48:02,600 --> 00:48:08,200
Good evening. Cheryl Belair. My residence is 51-Row Road Street, and I am co-owner

564
00:48:08,200 --> 00:48:14,440
of the 82 Washington Court Street building with Stephen Braggdon. I did want to just clarify

565
00:48:14,440 --> 00:48:21,220
a couple of quick things. The first thing is we are here because we are very concerned about

566
00:48:21,220 --> 00:48:27,700
the safety, not just of people coming in and out of our driveway, but the hundreds and

567
00:48:27,700 --> 00:48:34,760
hundreds of cars coming south on court street. We've witnessed two accidents already, but I would say

568
00:48:34,760 --> 00:48:41,360
that just to be clear, public safety is truly the top of our priority. Let's right now,

569
00:48:41,860 --> 00:48:48,440
The newest spots that were painted that you were all just talking about, the new lines, actually moved.

570
00:48:49,120 --> 00:48:53,120
We moved, added a parking space on either side of our driveway.

571
00:48:53,960 --> 00:48:59,540
We have been asking the city for more than a year to actually move things back because of the safety issue

572
00:48:59,540 --> 00:49:04,540
and we now are in a situation where everything has moved close around both ends.

573
00:49:05,620 --> 00:49:08,280
So it was really a safety concern prior to this now.

574
00:49:08,280 --> 00:49:11,020
that's just inflated to be honest with you.

575
00:49:11,400 --> 00:49:13,780
There was mention of driving the area.

576
00:49:14,000 --> 00:49:15,800
I would challenge and invite anybody

577
00:49:15,800 --> 00:49:20,440
that wants to, during a business day, come into our driveway

578
00:49:20,440 --> 00:49:22,580
and then turn around and try to get out.

579
00:49:22,580 --> 00:49:25,500
I think it would be an eye-opening experience

580
00:49:25,500 --> 00:49:29,280
and hair raising for all of you to give that a shot.

581
00:49:29,580 --> 00:49:31,540
It's a scary situation up there.

582
00:49:32,900 --> 00:49:36,180
And lastly, I would say I do think that our building

583
00:49:36,180 --> 00:49:42,120
is in a bit of a different situation than those buildings north of us on court street.

584
00:49:42,320 --> 00:49:46,960
I think we are one of the last businesses in that corridor.

585
00:49:48,180 --> 00:49:51,780
I would say that the site is much more difficult.

586
00:49:52,460 --> 00:49:59,440
I feel the traffic, the speed picks up as they come down court street, and we do have a lot of

587
00:49:59,440 --> 00:50:05,320
traffic. It is different, as some of the counselors mentioned, it is different than a single

588
00:50:05,320 --> 00:50:11,300
family, or even a multi-family building, where people are leaving most times in the morning

589
00:50:11,300 --> 00:50:17,560
and coming home later in the day, we have people in and out of that building constantly.

590
00:50:18,480 --> 00:50:23,280
And there's also a lot of foot traffic, so it's not just the cars coming down, but then

591
00:50:23,280 --> 00:50:25,700
you're also, you also need to be careful of the foot traffic.

592
00:50:26,220 --> 00:50:31,020
And when you're really focused on, I don't want to get hit by another car, it does become

593
00:50:31,020 --> 00:50:31,680
a bit difficult.

594
00:50:31,860 --> 00:50:33,560
But I do feel that we are different.

595
00:50:33,560 --> 00:50:40,920
I feel that we are much closer to downtown and because we're a busy business, it increases

596
00:50:40,920 --> 00:50:42,940
the possibility of accidents.

597
00:50:44,040 --> 00:50:46,160
So that's all, and I thank you again.

598
00:50:46,620 --> 00:50:47,300
Thank you.

599
00:50:47,860 --> 00:50:51,680
Anything further, public committee?

600
00:50:53,780 --> 00:50:57,300
I moved to put this item on more time to our next meeting.

601
00:50:57,880 --> 00:50:58,040
Sorry.

602
00:50:58,040 --> 00:51:03,380
The motion has been seconded anything from the public, committee, all in favour?

603
00:51:04,880 --> 00:51:06,380
We are unanimous.

604
00:51:08,060 --> 00:51:12,320
Next time on item on our agenda before you get up, Andy.

605
00:51:14,580 --> 00:51:18,240
We are going to lose Councillor Workman early.

606
00:51:18,580 --> 00:51:20,740
She has a travel need.

607
00:51:21,920 --> 00:51:25,560
So, we are expecting a Robin Hood park.

608
00:51:26,220 --> 00:51:31,040
It's probably just a presentation, is that correct, without a likely vote?

609
00:51:31,700 --> 00:51:34,800
However, the next item is likely vote.

610
00:51:36,500 --> 00:51:42,600
So, unless there is objection, changing the order from item three to item four, in

611
00:51:42,600 --> 00:51:46,760
other words, bringing up the lower Winchester Street as the next item of discussion.

612
00:51:47,460 --> 00:51:48,900
Committee, are you okay with this?

613
00:51:48,940 --> 00:51:52,300
Understanding that I'd like to get Council workman in the vote.

614
00:51:53,860 --> 00:52:04,380
Okay. Good. That's a Shelby. And if she has to leave, we'll get fired. Yes,

615
00:52:09,090 --> 00:52:09,330
we're in

616
00:52:09,330 --> 00:52:10,230
just a street.

617
00:52:14,090 --> 00:52:19,070
Don. Thank you, Ms. Chair, don't lose your citizenship 20 minutes. Okay. We will

618
00:52:19,070 --> 00:52:26,910
talk fast or listen quick. So this is the second part of the lower Winchester Street discussion.

619
00:52:26,910 --> 00:52:31,310
We started this conversation back on September 27th.

620
00:52:31,390 --> 00:52:36,210
I'm going to start with just a very brief sort of summary of what we talked about last time.

621
00:52:36,910 --> 00:52:47,250
And then we'll sort of go over the essentially five questions or five elements of the project that the committee is going to need to consider and decide on.

622
00:52:49,500 --> 00:52:50,040
Thank you, Lisa.

623
00:52:52,650 --> 00:52:54,610
All right, so just refresh your memories.

624
00:52:54,930 --> 00:52:59,470
The lower Winchester Street Reconstruction Project is proposed to reconstruct the Winchester Street

625
00:52:59,470 --> 00:53:04,630
from the Route 101, we're going to go back all the way south to the town line.

626
00:53:05,010 --> 00:53:08,390
It actually will continue into Swansea, some distance.

627
00:53:09,270 --> 00:53:14,950
The Swansea Select Board has already reviewed and selected their proposed action.

628
00:53:15,970 --> 00:53:20,250
So what we're looking at tonight is just what we're going to build within the city limits.

629
00:53:20,730 --> 00:53:26,370
As part of the project, we are going to be replacing the Ashwamp Bridge, which has to

630
00:53:26,370 --> 00:53:32,810
bridge over Ashwamp. And that's going to be rolled into this project so that'll be very

631
00:53:32,810 --> 00:53:41,650
nice to happen. So in addition to sort of the committee recommendations, I will review here

632
00:53:41,650 --> 00:53:42,290
in a second,

633
00:53:44,490 --> 00:53:49,850
the committee asked us in September to kind of go back and answer or bring

634
00:53:49,850 --> 00:53:56,970
you answers to three questions. Specifically, you wanted to know what the implications and impact

635
00:53:56,970 --> 00:54:03,610
would be to folks turning left into and out of businesses if you were to impose a left turn

636
00:54:03,610 --> 00:54:08,410
restriction. You wanted to know a little bit more information about the crash history in

637
00:54:08,410 --> 00:54:15,470
over recent years and there was a resident or a business owner that attended the last meeting

638
00:54:15,470 --> 00:54:22,490
that specifically was concerned about deliveries into an out-of-the-brick-house

639
00:54:22,490 --> 00:54:26,910
tile facility, a tile store, I guess you would say.

640
00:54:28,290 --> 00:54:30,710
So we're going to answer those questions here.

641
00:54:33,800 --> 00:54:37,200
All right, so the, just for again, refresh your memory,

642
00:54:38,580 --> 00:54:40,920
the Mayor's ad hoc steering committee for the project,

643
00:54:41,980 --> 00:54:44,540
gave you a series of five recommendations.

644
00:54:44,540 --> 00:54:50,040
And those five recommendations sort of outlined what they recommended for each of the major

645
00:54:50,040 --> 00:54:52,060
elements of the project.

646
00:54:52,820 --> 00:54:58,160
You know, of course, this committee gets to deliberate and choose what to move forward

647
00:54:58,160 --> 00:54:59,120
to the city council.

648
00:54:59,680 --> 00:55:08,680
I will reiterate that those decisions on recommended elements were not unanimous at the

649
00:55:08,680 --> 00:55:09,840
steering committee level.

650
00:55:09,840 --> 00:55:13,580
So here's a sort of a summary of those recommendations.

651
00:55:14,780 --> 00:55:17,900
They found that you should provide two travel lanes in each direction

652
00:55:17,900 --> 00:55:19,800
between Cliff Road and Route 101.

653
00:55:20,160 --> 00:55:23,580
That would allow you to increase the capacity of the roadway,

654
00:55:24,060 --> 00:55:26,560
help address mitigation or congestion,

655
00:55:28,240 --> 00:55:30,580
and improve the efficiency of the roadway.

656
00:55:31,000 --> 00:55:34,400
They also suggested that you replace the current

657
00:55:36,160 --> 00:55:39,780
stop control is technically intersections at

658
00:55:39,780 --> 00:55:43,020
Cliff Road and Matthews Road with modern round

659
00:55:44,060 --> 00:55:46,760
abouts. And then finally the last three

660
00:55:46,760 --> 00:55:49,280
recommendations were related to the management

661
00:55:49,280 --> 00:55:51,740
of left turn and left turns in and out of

662
00:55:51,740 --> 00:55:54,920
businesses where identified pre-early on by

663
00:55:54,920 --> 00:55:58,880
folks that came to our meetings as really one of the

664
00:55:58,880 --> 00:56:02,100
biggest issues with this corridor. The steering committee

665
00:56:02,100 --> 00:56:08,780
recommended raised medians from Route 101 to Cliff Road from Cliff Road to Matthews, but for

666
00:56:08,780 --> 00:56:14,760
the last segment, the southernmost segment of the project, they recommend adding a dual-use

667
00:56:14,760 --> 00:56:21,960
center turn line, turn lane, rather than building a raised median in that section. And I will

668
00:56:22,380 --> 00:56:31,300
let Gene get into a little bit more details. Sure. So one of the questions, as Dawn referred, was,

669
00:56:31,300 --> 00:56:36,720
So what impacts to the traveling public would occur from these left-turn restrictions?

670
00:56:37,640 --> 00:56:45,480
So in those two segments, this being what we call the North segment from Cliff Road up to the existing

671
00:56:45,480 --> 00:56:52,420
roundabout at Route 101 that there would be that center island, which would not allow left

672
00:56:52,420 --> 00:56:56,580
turns from or onto Winchester Street.

673
00:56:56,580 --> 00:57:01,640
And there are a number of businesses, streets, driveways along this corridor.

674
00:57:03,140 --> 00:57:06,000
So what we did, I'm going to put my glasses on so I can read this.

675
00:57:07,180 --> 00:57:12,040
So we kind of looked at both directions, north-bound southbound of Winchester Street, looked

676
00:57:12,040 --> 00:57:16,440
at the streets, on those segments, and also the driveways.

677
00:57:17,460 --> 00:57:22,480
So fortunately for the streets, we had very good traffic data, so we could look at the

678
00:57:22,480 --> 00:57:29,540
volume at those streets and to determine how many vehicles are making those turns on a daily basis.

679
00:57:30,240 --> 00:57:32,480
And these are daily numbers.

680
00:57:34,700 --> 00:57:39,400
So, for that northbound there's only one street. It's actually

681
00:57:39,400 --> 00:57:45,000
one of the accesses to the dealership. And then in the southbound there are three streets.

682
00:57:45,000 --> 00:57:49,920
a kit, fair amount, and what were

683
00:57:49,920 --> 00:57:52,240
they're all streets that we had counts.

684
00:57:52,560 --> 00:57:57,540
So we knew very well how many trips were at those locations.

685
00:57:57,780 --> 00:58:01,360
And these are just the left turns that would be impacted,

686
00:58:01,400 --> 00:58:05,180
not the total volume, but just the left turns during a day

687
00:58:05,180 --> 00:58:08,660
that would be impacted in and out, right?

688
00:58:09,060 --> 00:58:12,200
So you have, obviously, there are vehicles turning left

689
00:58:12,200 --> 00:58:14,380
from Winchester Street onto these streets

690
00:58:14,380 --> 00:58:17,040
and into these dryways and vice versa leaving.

691
00:58:18,540 --> 00:58:21,640
So in the proposed action, they would only make a right turn.

692
00:58:21,800 --> 00:58:25,120
They would use the roundabout to turn around and switch directions

693
00:58:25,120 --> 00:58:27,440
if that was the direction they wanted to hit.

694
00:58:28,600 --> 00:58:31,380
Now, for the dryways, we did not have

695
00:58:31,380 --> 00:58:33,420
council all of these dryways.

696
00:58:33,920 --> 00:58:36,720
So we looked at the council that we did have at certain

697
00:58:36,720 --> 00:58:39,100
dryways, and we also looked at the land uses,

698
00:58:39,680 --> 00:58:42,140
and we looked at what we would normally do for

699
00:58:42,140 --> 00:58:48,120
generation for the type of business, and what types are, what number of trips are expected

700
00:58:48,120 --> 00:58:55,780
from those types of uses, and we developed the trips from that calculation. So you can

701
00:58:55,780 --> 00:59:01,320
see that, you know, there are certain, there are certain roadways, and there are certain

702
00:59:01,320 --> 00:59:08,720
driveways that do generate quite a bit of traffic in this corridor. Now for, for this Norse

703
00:59:10,380 --> 00:59:19,620
A lot of discussion about kitstreet, the problematic left turns, trying to come out of kitstreet to get into the existing roundabout.

704
00:59:20,280 --> 00:59:35,440
So a lot of that southbound streets, you see that 1240 number, the majority of those trips are the trips that are coming into an out of kitstreet that would now be traveling down to Griff,

705
00:59:35,440 --> 00:59:40,600
use the round about to, you know, switch direction and then head northbound on Winchester Street.

706
00:59:42,520 --> 00:59:50,280
So there's quite a few trips there. Now this is a daily number, so this would be spread out over the course of the day.

707
00:59:50,780 --> 00:59:59,860
But that's the calculation we did to give you a sense of, you know, how many of movements would be impacted by the median that has been proposed.

708
01:00:01,200 --> 01:00:10,120
So, the next slide is what we call that middle section, which is between the two proposed roundabouts, the one at Matthews, and the one at CRIF.

709
01:00:11,240 --> 01:00:27,920
There aren't as many accesses in this area. There's no streets on the northbound segment. There's only one southbound, but that's Brad Co., which also, as we've heard throughout the project, is a pretty significant issue.

710
01:00:27,920 --> 01:00:31,360
So there's a lot of trips coming in and out of there.

711
01:00:31,720 --> 01:00:37,880
There's also Hamshaw Lumber, which is also a very large contributor from the driveway

712
01:00:37,880 --> 01:00:42,180
perspective on that southbound travel.

713
01:00:43,260 --> 01:00:48,700
So you get a sense, there's fewer accesses at this location, and there's overall less traffic

714
01:00:48,700 --> 01:00:51,440
once you go south of Cliff Road.

715
01:00:51,440 --> 01:00:58,420
So that gives you a sense of, you know, how many trips would be impacted in the evaluation

716
01:00:58,420 --> 01:01:05,780
that we conducted for this corridor, all these trips were put in, and their direction

717
01:01:05,780 --> 01:01:11,020
was modified to show that if you were currently making a left turn, and in the pros you

718
01:01:11,020 --> 01:01:15,940
were making a right turn and using the roundabout, that was put into our traffic analysis,

719
01:01:15,940 --> 01:01:20,760
And the roundabouts have been designed to accommodate that volume of traffic.

720
01:01:23,710 --> 01:01:23,930
Sure.

721
01:01:23,930 --> 01:01:24,450
But there

722
01:01:26,820 --> 01:01:28,260
are any Winchester streets?

723
01:01:37,460 --> 01:01:38,560
There are going to hit streets.

724
01:01:38,680 --> 01:01:39,300
Oh, it's good.

725
01:01:39,560 --> 01:01:40,380
I'd now come back to you.

726
01:01:40,400 --> 01:01:43,020
I just wanted to get a general view of the crowd.

727
01:01:45,740 --> 01:01:50,160
And furthermore, there was a question from Brickhouse, Kyle,

728
01:01:50,420 --> 01:01:51,880
whether they can make these.

729
01:01:55,530 --> 01:01:56,410
That's coming up.

730
01:01:56,550 --> 01:01:56,770
That's coming up.

731
01:01:56,770 --> 01:01:57,430
We have a slide.

732
01:01:57,730 --> 01:01:59,850
I'm trying to shorten your presentation a bit,

733
01:01:59,850 --> 01:02:04,350
not to be over. I think we really only have two more, a couple more slides. That was kind

734
01:02:04,350 --> 01:02:10,510
of the bulk of the content. We're very close. Yes, Chair. I just want to get a vote before I

735
01:02:10,510 --> 01:02:16,650
lose my understanding. Understood. So the committee asked about crash data. We looked and worked

736
01:02:16,650 --> 01:02:23,870
with the keen PD to come up with some fresh data. This is the number of accidents reported through

737
01:02:23,870 --> 01:02:32,110
court or between September of 2019 and present. In all, there was 50 accidents reported through

738
01:02:32,110 --> 01:02:36,810
its court or you can see where those are located. A lot of them at CREF and a lot at Brad

739
01:02:36,810 --> 01:02:41,750
Co. Those are the two biggest, excuse me, kit street and Brad Co. They're two biggest,

740
01:02:41,950 --> 01:02:47,590
and then CREF is another large one, of course, busy roads. Now, in terms of severity,

741
01:02:47,590 --> 01:02:55,250
be luckily, none of them were fatal, but the KMPD records do show that 10 individuals were transported

742
01:02:55,250 --> 01:03:01,490
by ambulance as a result of those accidents, so injury producing accidents, and one individual

743
01:03:01,490 --> 01:03:06,870
was shown to be transported by air during that period of time, so pretty severe injury

744
01:03:06,870 --> 01:03:15,850
presumably. The KMPD records also show what contributing factors accompanied that, 18 of

745
01:03:15,850 --> 01:03:20,610
accidents involved a failure to yield the right of way, which I thought was very interesting

746
01:03:20,610 --> 01:03:29,510
because that is a contributing factor that roundabout will clearly and directly help address.

747
01:03:30,370 --> 01:03:36,070
You know, I wish that roundabouts could solve in the tent of driving. They can't. Following

748
01:03:36,070 --> 01:03:41,450
too close, probably not, but failure to yield the right of way is something that roundabouts

749
01:03:41,450 --> 01:03:48,670
actually can solve. So I found that hardening. And then finally, the truck turning movement,

750
01:03:49,110 --> 01:03:56,250
this graphic here on the left shows a tractor trailer making a delivery to the Brickhouse

751
01:03:56,250 --> 01:04:03,150
tile facility backing into and then leaving the facility. We confirmed with the facility

752
01:04:03,150 --> 01:04:08,410
owners at the last meeting that their deliveries are by tractor trailer and they do currently

753
01:04:08,410 --> 01:04:13,730
stop on when just a street and back into their facility so essentially if this is not changing

754
01:04:13,730 --> 01:04:22,110
that traffic pattern and what Gene showing here is that truck I think that's a 55 foot

755
01:04:22,110 --> 01:04:34,410
tractor trailer can make the turn in and out of the facility and not hit the media and not hit the

756
01:04:34,410 --> 01:04:40,970
the interstate traffic or trailers, the giant trailers and that one can make it as well,

757
01:04:41,290 --> 01:04:48,710
but man you better have a good driver. I'll skip next steps and just get to what you all need to

758
01:04:48,710 --> 01:04:55,510
talk about. So these are the five questions. The traffic capacity from 101 that is

759
01:04:55,510 --> 01:05:02,030
do we add a lane? What type of intersection do you want? You want roundabouts or signalized intersections

760
01:05:02,030 --> 01:05:08,350
And then, how do you want to manage left turns during the three segments of the court, or?

761
01:05:08,490 --> 01:05:10,910
And with that, you're meeting Mr. Chair.

762
01:05:11,170 --> 01:05:11,690
Thank you.

763
01:05:12,270 --> 01:05:13,410
Boom, you got it.

764
01:05:14,990 --> 01:05:17,350
And I do want to thank you.

765
01:05:18,510 --> 01:05:22,050
We have a great presentation here for us to work with.

766
01:05:23,230 --> 01:05:26,650
It's like a matrix of questions that we need to answer.

767
01:05:27,370 --> 01:05:29,110
And this is the way to do it.

768
01:05:29,250 --> 01:05:30,170
This is very good.

769
01:05:30,170 --> 01:05:39,530
So I would ask the committee to look at this little check sheet that we have and take a moment and I'll run through it.

770
01:05:39,870 --> 01:05:54,050
Question number one, being a choice between two travel lanes in each direction from route 101 to CRIF or one travel lane in each direction from route 101 to CRIF.

771
01:05:54,290 --> 01:05:59,070
The recommendation from the study committee was the two travel lanes.

772
01:06:02,760 --> 01:06:06,620
So, comment on questions or just go with the committee.

773
01:06:07,400 --> 01:06:10,720
Mr. Chairman, you may want to open this up to the public just a little more.

774
01:06:11,680 --> 01:06:12,520
I'll get there.

775
01:06:12,600 --> 01:06:13,440
We're not ready to vote.

776
01:06:13,580 --> 01:06:17,340
I just want to just get the committee kind of in gear where we're going.

777
01:06:18,520 --> 01:06:22,580
And the one member of the public that's here from Winchester Street.

778
01:06:23,260 --> 01:06:27,300
Question number two, regarding a roundabout intersection at Cliff Road and Matthews Road

779
01:06:27,300 --> 01:06:31,420
or signalize intersections at Cliff Road and Matthew's Road.

780
01:06:33,120 --> 01:06:36,420
The study committee was the roundabouts committee,

781
01:06:36,500 --> 01:06:38,320
just to make you a thoughts.

782
01:06:39,040 --> 01:06:42,900
Question number three, raise median from Route 101 to Cliff Road

783
01:06:43,920 --> 01:06:50,080
or raise median from Route 101 to just south of Kitstreet and a dual use

784
01:06:50,080 --> 01:06:55,540
center lane from that point to Cliff Road or a dual use center lane

785
01:06:55,540 --> 01:06:57,300
from Route 101 to CRIF Road.

786
01:06:57,920 --> 01:07:03,240
Study committee recommended the raised median from 101 to CRIF Road.

787
01:07:04,320 --> 01:07:08,900
A question four, raised median from CRIF Road to Matthew's Road,

788
01:07:09,100 --> 01:07:13,240
or a dual-use center lane from CRIF Road to Matthew's Road,

789
01:07:13,860 --> 01:07:15,720
or maintaining the current configuration.

790
01:07:16,880 --> 01:07:19,440
Study committee recommended the raised median.

791
01:07:20,420 --> 01:07:22,580
And finally, a question five,

792
01:07:22,580 --> 01:07:30,680
A dual-use center lane from Matthew's road to the town line, or maintaining the current configuration.

793
01:07:32,320 --> 01:07:36,160
Study committee, recommending the dual-use center lane.

794
01:07:37,040 --> 01:07:43,440
So if you would indicate your thoughts on this, and as the attorney suggested,

795
01:07:43,700 --> 01:07:49,300
opening it up to the public, if the public will like to weigh in and then not go back to the committee.

796
01:07:49,300 --> 01:07:55,400
I'd like you have anything, not to put you on the spot, or other councilor.

797
01:08:03,380 --> 01:08:08,780
Tom, thank you committee, thank you Mr. Chair. I'm actually, Mike remedy city councilor.

798
01:08:09,620 --> 01:08:15,220
I'm actually not speaking my opinion. I had a constituent text me that owns a business on that road,

799
01:08:16,660 --> 01:08:22,060
with, they texted me in code of BACCB, which I think, falling along with here,

800
01:08:22,060 --> 01:08:30,140
is their request was one traveling, instead of the two, they're okay with the roundabouts,

801
01:08:33,100 --> 01:08:38,420
they were in favor for number three, which was the median from one on the cliff,

802
01:08:38,640 --> 01:08:43,620
they were looking at the dual use center lane. They're concerned specifically on that one was

803
01:08:43,620 --> 01:08:49,800
if moving to a median, what would require taking a land on either side or if any of these

804
01:08:49,800 --> 01:08:52,460
would require expansion of the roadway,

805
01:08:52,980 --> 01:08:54,780
with that they were okay with C or A,

806
01:08:54,960 --> 01:08:56,880
which was the raised median.

807
01:08:57,260 --> 01:08:59,120
Their concern was around of this taking a space.

808
01:09:02,020 --> 01:09:06,400
And the other C was maintaining the current configuration

809
01:09:06,400 --> 01:09:09,040
from CRIFT, Matthew's road was their recommendation there,

810
01:09:09,960 --> 01:09:11,800
and be maintaining the current configuration

811
01:09:11,800 --> 01:09:13,860
for Matthew's road to the town line.

812
01:09:14,080 --> 01:09:15,200
So those were their thoughts.

813
01:09:15,780 --> 01:09:18,280
So not speaking mind, but just wanted to relay that.

814
01:09:18,320 --> 01:09:18,740
Thank you.

815
01:09:18,740 --> 01:09:19,260
Thank you.

816
01:09:21,240 --> 01:09:21,980
Yes, sir.

817
01:09:23,160 --> 01:09:23,360
You.

818
01:09:25,650 --> 01:09:27,970
Mr. Robert Haam, 89 Valley Street.

819
01:09:29,750 --> 01:09:30,190
Two concerns.

820
01:09:30,550 --> 01:09:37,150
One is, I have a question about what's it like to, if you're coming out of all those businesses

821
01:09:37,150 --> 01:09:42,270
that are the auto dealership businesses, wanting to make a left turn, is that you have

822
01:09:42,270 --> 01:09:49,270
to go to the big major roundabout in order to turn left to go back south on Route 10.

823
01:09:49,530 --> 01:09:50,330
That's a concern.

824
01:09:50,330 --> 01:09:52,190
I wonder what those numbers would be like.

825
01:09:53,350 --> 01:09:55,770
The second question is, what about sidewalks?

826
01:09:57,170 --> 01:09:58,270
Are they a part of the equation?

827
01:09:59,630 --> 01:10:01,110
So, OK, done.

828
01:10:02,250 --> 01:10:03,070
City agent here.

829
01:10:04,770 --> 01:10:05,610
Thank you, Mr. Chair.

830
01:10:05,670 --> 01:10:08,270
I'd like to just quickly address a couple of the questions.

831
01:10:09,810 --> 01:10:12,570
With respect to councilor Remi's comments,

832
01:10:13,770 --> 01:10:16,970
and Jean can step up and correct me if I'm wrong.

833
01:10:16,970 --> 01:10:20,170
But all of the options that we're talking about,

834
01:10:20,510 --> 01:10:24,250
do fit within the essentially within the right of way

835
01:10:24,250 --> 01:10:25,250
as it exists today.

836
01:10:25,830 --> 01:10:28,910
There will be property impacts mostly associated

837
01:10:28,910 --> 01:10:33,650
with the roundabouts where they're significantly

838
01:10:33,650 --> 01:10:35,570
larger than the existing intersection.

839
01:10:36,030 --> 01:10:37,870
But in terms of the corridor itself,

840
01:10:38,210 --> 01:10:41,150
we're looking mostly at either very narrow strip

841
01:10:41,150 --> 01:10:45,410
taking or all within the existing right of way.

842
01:10:47,010 --> 01:10:53,310
The gentleman that just spoke in terms of left turns out of the dealership, yes, those would

843
01:10:53,310 --> 01:10:58,590
take a right and use the existing large round about at Route 101 to make the U-turn.

844
01:10:58,990 --> 01:11:06,570
And as Gene mentioned, those U-turn movements, that those volumes of traffic are incorporated

845
01:11:06,570 --> 01:11:11,310
into our model to demonstrate that the traffic works in flows efficiently.

846
01:11:11,310 --> 01:11:16,210
And then the last question was sidewalks.

847
01:11:16,470 --> 01:11:17,590
Thank you.

848
01:11:18,090 --> 01:11:21,350
And yes, we gave short trip to sidewalks.

849
01:11:21,570 --> 01:11:22,870
It was kind of a foregone conclusion.

850
01:11:23,870 --> 01:11:33,370
But the recommendation was to include sidewalks along the western side of the corridor for the full length.

851
01:11:33,990 --> 01:11:36,350
From Lucinda Terrace to the town line,

852
01:11:36,350 --> 01:11:42,170
We would include sidewalks on both sides for the residents of Lucinda Terrace to be able to access

853
01:11:42,170 --> 01:11:48,010
market basket and the retail stores in Swansea, that those are included in the project

854
01:11:48,010 --> 01:11:56,410
along with five foot shoulders on the roadway, which probably are only were suggesting

855
01:11:56,410 --> 01:12:02,730
that there be marked as bike lanes, but they would be five foot shoulders available for bicyclists.

856
01:12:03,470 --> 01:12:11,830
One little bit of just traffic data that we do for that main end exit entrance from some of the dealerships.

857
01:12:12,690 --> 01:12:16,230
The left turns out of those dealerships are very minor.

858
01:12:16,590 --> 01:12:18,610
The volume of traffic is very small.

859
01:12:19,070 --> 01:12:22,430
Like it's four or five cars in a peak hour.

860
01:12:22,650 --> 01:12:24,970
So you're talking 40 or 50 all day.

861
01:12:25,230 --> 01:12:30,990
So it's not a significant amount of traffic that certainly would be having to use the big round about

862
01:12:30,990 --> 01:12:33,450
to reverse direction and head south.

863
01:12:35,170 --> 01:12:37,610
Committee, you have any questions about anything?

864
01:12:38,150 --> 01:12:38,390
One more?

865
01:12:39,190 --> 01:12:39,370
Yeah.

866
01:12:40,630 --> 01:12:41,730
Now, I wasn't ready to vote.

867
01:12:42,190 --> 01:12:42,850
It was, absolutely.

868
01:12:43,610 --> 01:12:44,050
OK.

869
01:12:47,830 --> 01:12:53,630
Laura Tobin, Center Street, and then I also work on Kit Street.

870
01:12:55,230 --> 01:12:59,250
So one thing that, from being honest,

871
01:12:59,250 --> 01:13:07,470
Because I don't feel fantastic about adding another round about in-part because working on

872
01:13:07,470 --> 01:13:08,490
kit-street,

873
01:13:12,310 --> 01:13:16,970
so it's actually, I think it's pretty impossible to take a left turn when

874
01:13:16,970 --> 01:13:18,750
you get out to leave.

875
01:13:19,310 --> 01:13:22,490
It's also really difficult to take a right turn.

876
01:13:22,670 --> 01:13:27,410
It's difficult to feed into traffic because there's just ongoing traffic.

877
01:13:27,410 --> 01:13:35,830
So most of the time what people do when they leave work is most people take a right out of

878
01:13:35,830 --> 01:13:44,070
kid's street, turn into a card dealership, which takes a while, and then they try to take

879
01:13:44,070 --> 01:13:48,530
another right out of there, which is also difficult.

880
01:13:49,310 --> 01:13:56,070
So kind of in thinking about what that means, that means that the traffic will still continue

881
01:13:56,070 --> 01:14:02,870
go. So while I understand that, you know, at this point, essentially we'd be doing the same thing

882
01:14:02,870 --> 01:14:10,240
and looping around that, for the traffic that was already coming through, one of us is going

883
01:14:10,240 --> 01:14:20,420
to have to wait. So I know that right now, when most people, I sit in the passenger seat, but most

884
01:14:20,420 --> 01:14:26,440
people avoid the round about, even though it's the fastest way to get me home.

885
01:14:27,980 --> 01:14:33,560
Because there's always a line going in, it's hectic, you can't see around the turn.

886
01:14:34,800 --> 01:14:39,240
So most people avoid that to get me to Center Street.

887
01:14:41,440 --> 01:14:48,800
So I don't necessarily think that the other quick comment that I'll make, sorry, is that

888
01:14:48,800 --> 01:14:55,360
The things that are on that street, there's a manufacturer of hotel and bank.

889
01:14:56,300 --> 01:14:59,980
So most of those people are leaving at the same time.

890
01:15:01,060 --> 01:15:29,640
So, a lot of people who have been kind of frustrated by this because I mean, there is a lot of horns, have you on the horn there? And then you have two lines trying to get out, but you have about 60 people leaving at five o'clock. So, I don't know how much support that is going to, I don't know whether that was necessarily going to be better option than

891
01:15:31,020 --> 01:15:40,680
just kind of a timed traffic light, you know, I guess that's what's at MarketBasket or something,

892
01:15:42,700 --> 01:15:46,560
a sensor triggered traffic light. But I would be curious, the other manufacturers,

893
01:15:46,900 --> 01:15:59,620
card dealerships are closed by the time we're going through there typically. So they're probably

894
01:15:59,620 --> 01:16:02,220
It seems like it's very concentrated.

895
01:16:04,180 --> 01:16:06,400
It definitely is, Mr. Chair.

896
01:16:07,460 --> 01:16:11,880
The only thing I would add to the response to that is

897
01:16:12,560 --> 01:16:17,480
A signalized intersection at Kitch Street is not really on the table.

898
01:16:18,140 --> 01:16:23,420
DOT would not permit us to put a signal that close to the route 101 round about.

899
01:16:23,420 --> 01:16:28,440
A signal there would inevitably cause traffic to pack up into the round about

900
01:16:28,440 --> 01:16:33,160
I want to want and that would pretty much stymie the intersection.

901
01:16:34,380 --> 01:16:37,320
So that's not one of the options that's available for discussion.

902
01:16:37,380 --> 01:16:43,000
I think around the vessel solve the issues that the incoming counselor has mentioned

903
01:16:43,000 --> 01:16:49,480
actually, right turns or a lot easier than trying to kind of cross all that traffic back

904
01:16:49,480 --> 01:16:51,040
there was a question.

905
01:16:56,580 --> 01:17:03,860
I am Jennifer Saiso, I live at 10 Fairfield Court, and I go to Hamshaw's, and I can never

906
01:17:03,860 --> 01:17:04,320
take a left.

907
01:17:04,420 --> 01:17:08,020
I always turn right out of there, so I really think the roundabouts are great.

908
01:17:08,920 --> 01:17:10,420
Thank you.

909
01:17:11,440 --> 01:17:13,560
All right, then I'm biased.

910
01:17:14,440 --> 01:17:17,280
Any more public comments, committee?

911
01:17:18,620 --> 01:17:26,160
So, to show in the discussion, we basically have the steering committee recommendation, which

912
01:17:26,160 --> 01:17:33,100
is, I guess to show in it, all the A's of the 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, and any,

913
01:17:36,840 --> 01:17:38,960
yes, thank you.

914
01:17:38,960 --> 01:17:43,160
I support the steering committee's recommendations.

915
01:17:44,920 --> 01:17:50,580
Two things is one, when I go down the west street,

916
01:17:51,500 --> 01:17:55,780
I can't tell you how many times people get stuck at two minutes

917
01:17:55,780 --> 01:18:00,280
because someone is trying to take a left turn

918
01:18:00,280 --> 01:18:03,720
and to dunk in donuts from the other white, white green.

919
01:18:03,720 --> 01:18:06,000
And then we caused the problem.

920
01:18:06,820 --> 01:18:10,340
I did see one accident there.

921
01:18:11,000 --> 01:18:13,340
Wow, I was teaching my granddaughter how to drive.

922
01:18:14,440 --> 01:18:19,240
Because the light turned green in the car right next to us,

923
01:18:19,620 --> 01:18:20,280
went forward.

924
01:18:20,860 --> 01:18:24,440
And I told you, don't go forward until the cars go forward.

925
01:18:24,740 --> 01:18:26,340
But there was a black bear.

926
01:18:26,760 --> 01:18:28,760
But the person in the car, I just,

927
01:18:28,900 --> 01:18:31,120
oh, it's green time for me to go.

928
01:18:31,120 --> 01:18:38,180
left turns, um, dangerous. My first ticket I got in the Marine Corps, and I was in

929
01:18:38,180 --> 01:18:45,580
Juanico, I made a U-turn to come to me and told me a double yellow line is because

930
01:18:45,580 --> 01:18:54,220
they'd shoot cheap to afford a concrete medium. And you never cross a double yellow line.

931
01:18:54,220 --> 01:19:02,820
And so that's why I also support the media because if no one's looking, people are going to make a left turn.

932
01:19:03,700 --> 01:19:03,960
So they're there.

933
01:19:04,640 --> 01:19:10,940
And so the medium reinforces the need to help prevent people from taking the left.

934
01:19:11,460 --> 01:19:14,400
And also help prevent things from tying up traffic.

935
01:19:15,040 --> 01:19:17,560
It doesn't do as any good to make all of these.

936
01:19:18,220 --> 01:19:22,600
If one person decides to take a left turn and hold everybody up.

937
01:19:22,600 --> 01:19:29,520
Okay, anything further from the public, Councillor Gorkman, you, thank you.

938
01:19:30,620 --> 01:19:33,440
I have to commend the steering committee.

939
01:19:33,680 --> 01:19:35,520
I think they got it right this time.

940
01:19:36,120 --> 01:19:42,480
I agree with all their recommendations right down the board.

941
01:19:43,660 --> 01:19:50,100
I know we're going to get a lot of heat from the public about the number of roundabouts that

942
01:19:50,100 --> 01:20:00,380
adding, but anyone who has driven down our new newly constructed key road area and Winchester

943
01:20:00,380 --> 01:20:08,500
in Pearl and Island now that all the lanes are open you can see it really does move traffic

944
01:20:08,500 --> 01:20:17,580
long so I also want to commend again that was a state project and city collaboration and

945
01:20:17,580 --> 01:20:21,980
growing up in Boston and being part of the big dig project.

946
01:20:23,140 --> 01:20:28,640
I know we also got a lot to lack on the length of time that it took to complete that.

947
01:20:28,660 --> 01:20:34,720
This project, but it was just just shy of a year and we'll go a little longer.

948
01:20:35,240 --> 01:20:38,020
But we also took the winter off.

949
01:20:38,560 --> 01:20:44,640
So I think we did act pretty expeditiously with the construction.

950
01:20:45,080 --> 01:20:54,460
construction, so I will be in favor of the approving their steering committee's recommendation.

951
01:20:55,260 --> 01:20:56,740
You're the one who has to make the plan.

952
01:20:57,060 --> 01:20:57,460
So let's stop.

953
01:20:58,260 --> 01:21:02,460
We'll be demanding anything further from the public committee.

954
01:21:03,220 --> 01:21:03,820
I've got a motion.

955
01:21:04,400 --> 01:21:10,520
Okay, well, it seems like since we're all on board, I'll read the five items, and I guess we can vote on all of them at once.

956
01:21:11,080 --> 01:21:20,080
And once again, you'll thank you to the steering committee, City staff, and everybody who brought it through MSFI, is the committee that talks about infrastructure issues.

957
01:21:20,880 --> 01:21:21,400
Well done.

958
01:21:22,900 --> 01:21:28,080
The first motion on item one is going to be provide two travel lanes in each direction from 101 to Griff Road.

959
01:21:28,740 --> 01:21:32,320
Item two, we place the intersection for a front and rear view zero to the roundabouts.

960
01:21:32,860 --> 01:21:36,740
Item three, construct a raised median from 101 to Griff Road.

961
01:21:36,740 --> 01:21:42,680
Item four, constructed of radius medium from peripheral to Matthew's road, item five, constructed

962
01:21:42,680 --> 01:21:47,420
dual use, centered turn lane from Matthew's road to the town line, and that's my motion.

963
01:21:47,960 --> 01:21:49,660
And the second would be from...

964
01:21:49,660 --> 01:21:50,160
Second.

965
01:21:50,940 --> 01:21:56,600
Council workman, anything further from the public, committee, saying none all in favor.

966
01:21:58,420 --> 01:22:04,580
That is unanimous. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. And to the consultant, don't take it then I was pushing you.

967
01:22:04,580 --> 01:22:13,830
No, I just did a great job. He's a long-talking chair, don't worry. Okay, now somebody's leaving on a jet plane.

968
01:22:14,400 --> 01:22:18,620
And rest assured, I'll catch the rest of the meeting online.

969
01:22:19,260 --> 01:22:21,560
And she'll be thinking of us in the river.

970
01:22:24,300 --> 01:22:25,080
Okay, great.

971
01:22:26,540 --> 01:22:28,960
Okay, just reshuffling everybody everywhere.

972
01:22:28,960 --> 01:22:37,840
And thank you to our consultant and to Mr. Bohanan for getting push along, please.

973
01:22:38,100 --> 01:22:38,780
Go right ahead.

974
01:22:39,400 --> 01:22:39,680
No worries.

975
01:22:40,240 --> 01:22:41,140
Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

976
01:22:41,580 --> 01:22:43,080
Members of the committee.

977
01:22:43,280 --> 01:22:45,540
Anybody who had a parks recreation facilities director.

978
01:22:46,360 --> 01:22:52,960
In tonight before you is just an overview of the concept plan for Robin Hood Park.

979
01:22:52,960 --> 01:23:01,380
We needed to bring this back to you as a result of the efforts in the CIP.

980
01:23:02,140 --> 01:23:09,800
When we had put this in the original CIP process, this was really to engage the public and

981
01:23:09,800 --> 01:23:16,080
to focus on public engagement and what we needed to do to have this discussion related to Robin

982
01:23:16,080 --> 01:23:19,000
Hood Pool and where we're going in the future.

983
01:23:19,000 --> 01:23:27,120
We pulled together a committee, Councilors Williams and Bosley, Keith Tibo, who was the chair

984
01:23:27,120 --> 01:23:33,360
and steered the Russell Park Committee, or Russell Park Committee, and then we had Mark

985
01:23:33,360 --> 01:23:39,880
Gemplar, Dan Gillard, Fiona Lori, who was from the Gathering Water School in Jamie White.

986
01:23:40,780 --> 01:23:43,640
A lot of neighbors related to Robin Hood Park.

987
01:23:43,640 --> 01:23:52,180
We had staff members, Raffred Varley, who was our recreation manager, and Mary Brunner, our senior planner.

988
01:23:53,340 --> 01:24:01,440
Along with these folks, we brought in Duboing King and worked alongside Dan Malak, who's here with you tonight,

989
01:24:02,300 --> 01:24:08,920
and really just kind of focused on a couple of different areas with the public and had different public engagement processes.

990
01:24:08,920 --> 01:24:18,280
So I'm going to turn it over to Dan and allow him to share the final report in a few slides here, and we'll go back to questions.

991
01:24:19,940 --> 01:24:20,200
Thanks, Andy.

992
01:24:20,280 --> 01:24:21,240
Thank you very much.

993
01:24:21,560 --> 01:24:22,600
Again, my name is Dan Malik.

994
01:24:22,880 --> 01:24:27,260
I'm a landscape architect and certified planner with the firm to boys and king.

995
01:24:27,540 --> 01:24:36,800
Here to present about our process and concept plans for Robin Hood Park to continue to make it a safe and enjoyable place.

996
01:24:36,800 --> 01:24:43,280
and increasingly accessible for a variety of users for a long time to come.

997
01:24:44,120 --> 01:24:51,700
And this slide simply shows many of the views and numerous assets about at the park that are cherished and beloved by the community.

998
01:24:52,220 --> 01:25:01,480
And our idea and our purpose really, our charge, was to engage in a robust engagement process that would strengthen these assets that they have now.

999
01:25:01,480 --> 01:25:06,580
improve access to them and really keep what is working beautifully about the

1000
01:25:06,580 --> 01:25:12,700
park that people love and again make them more accessible and enjoyable for

1001
01:25:12,700 --> 01:25:20,380
a long time to come. This did grow out of the 2012 active and passive

1002
01:25:20,380 --> 01:25:25,120
recreation management plan, which called for comprehensive plans of the city

1003
01:25:25,120 --> 01:25:32,660
parks, thinking about them, top to bottom, and the way planning should be, and more explicitly

1004
01:25:32,660 --> 01:25:39,820
as Andy mentioned the 2023-2029 Capital Improvement Plan focusing on design and concept development

1005
01:25:39,820 --> 01:25:42,940
for Robin Hood Park and public engagement.

1006
01:25:44,000 --> 01:25:50,720
And through that events in July, a public workshop, a presentation of concepts held at the

1007
01:25:50,720 --> 01:25:58,140
on September 6th of this year, a 3 day flash vote survey sent out by the city that garnered

1008
01:25:58,140 --> 01:26:04,960
273 responses over that period and definitely guidance from that steering committee that Andy

1009
01:26:04,960 --> 01:26:09,660
mentioned and outreach formally and formally through the gathering water school and other

1010
01:26:09,660 --> 01:26:15,400
neighbors talking to both kids and families. And the top items that came up repeatedly

1011
01:26:15,400 --> 01:26:22,480
throughout that, and all this input, upgraded bathroom facilities, a swimming pool in aquatic

1012
01:26:22,480 --> 01:26:30,000
facilities for the east side users and joys of the park, natural type playground, equipment that

1013
01:26:30,000 --> 01:26:37,780
gracefully fits into the atmosphere of Robin Hood Park and some type of sports courts, as well as

1014
01:26:37,780 --> 01:26:43,420
keeping those assets that are wonderful the ecology of the place and honoring that in terms of

1015
01:26:43,420 --> 01:26:48,540
stewardship. So our team I was joined by another landscape architect as well as a civil

1016
01:26:48,540 --> 01:26:53,900
engineer given obviously the dam located there in the reservoir's critical that we had

1017
01:26:53,900 --> 01:27:00,680
a civil engineer on our project team. We came up with two concepts that had two different ideas

1018
01:27:00,680 --> 01:27:05,620
for the sort of the north, if you will, where the pool is central, where the pavilion and

1019
01:27:05,620 --> 01:27:09,460
camp building is now in south areas of the park.

1020
01:27:09,460 --> 01:27:15,540
throwing ideas out. We developed both these concept 1 and concept 2 with slightly different

1021
01:27:15,540 --> 01:27:23,400
visions. Some similar features just relocated. One had a pool. One had a very large splash pad.

1022
01:27:23,540 --> 01:27:28,100
Fundamentally, those were the largest differences between the two and then presented those to the

1023
01:27:28,100 --> 01:27:33,820
public for a well-intended meeting that I mentioned in September held at Robin Hood Park.

1024
01:27:33,820 --> 01:27:39,760
And the main feedback that we received through all of this falls into these six categories,

1025
01:27:40,660 --> 01:27:45,380
support for pedestrian circulation improvements throughout the park, connectivity,

1026
01:27:46,280 --> 01:27:50,660
the need to preserve the natural environment of the park for both stewardship, ethic,

1027
01:27:50,760 --> 01:27:56,240
and recreation programming as well, that there's a strong desire to maintain a pool in this

1028
01:27:56,240 --> 01:28:02,580
of keen for recreation as well as life skills, support, preference for a natural place

1029
01:28:02,580 --> 01:28:08,000
strategy that I mentioned, that combines safe play options with education, and a style

1030
01:28:08,000 --> 01:28:12,500
that fits the field of the park, and tapping into local knowledge, which was a lot of fun

1031
01:28:12,500 --> 01:28:16,360
for us that certain areas of the reservoir are better for fishing, therefore better for

1032
01:28:16,360 --> 01:28:21,900
a fishing dock, where the deeper and cooler water is in the southwest portion of the reservoir.

1033
01:28:21,900 --> 01:28:24,560
And, of course, maintenance is critical.

1034
01:28:25,740 --> 01:28:29,000
Can these suggested conceptual improvements fit

1035
01:28:29,000 --> 01:28:31,340
in with the ongoing maintenance capacity

1036
01:28:31,800 --> 01:28:34,200
and budget of the parks department?

1037
01:28:36,920 --> 01:28:39,920
And so, through that, we refined those two concepts

1038
01:28:39,920 --> 01:28:43,800
into concept A and concept B, which were very similar

1039
01:28:43,800 --> 01:28:46,180
except for the north side area of the pool.

1040
01:28:46,800 --> 01:28:49,980
The first concept A shows a refurbished pool

1041
01:28:49,980 --> 01:28:57,740
the same footprint that currently exists and looking into that possibility how that might work.

1042
01:28:58,020 --> 01:29:03,580
I understand is ongoing. What you'll also see, however, is a small splash pad which expands

1043
01:29:03,580 --> 01:29:11,240
usability to some lower-aged users potentially to be able to use a splash pad and we heard

1044
01:29:11,240 --> 01:29:17,420
that from a lot of parents and families refurbishing the existing pool house. The parking area

1045
01:29:17,420 --> 01:29:24,980
That's there now is unstrapped in a little bit of unpredictable and less legible parking

1046
01:29:24,980 --> 01:29:25,340
area.

1047
01:29:25,520 --> 01:29:26,820
That's not ideal for parking.

1048
01:29:27,700 --> 01:29:32,040
Making Robin Hood Lane one way, but recognizing that people like to park along it.

1049
01:29:32,300 --> 01:29:38,260
And so we've put in 10 areas conceptually for parking along Robin Hood Lane, as well as

1050
01:29:38,260 --> 01:29:45,060
a striped pedestrian lane along the side where the camp area and the pavilion is right

1051
01:29:45,060 --> 01:29:51,000
Now in the middle is really a bridge space between the northern and southern portions that

1052
01:29:51,000 --> 01:29:58,200
will be a wonderful meadow area for learning and seeding and as you sit on the right edge

1053
01:29:58,200 --> 01:29:59,980
if you will, the Eastern Sidingham.

1054
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:18,920
Look across to the woodlands and the incredible stonework up toward the amphitheater at this park. It's an excellent space for gathering, because we'll be taking out in these concepts, the existing camp building and this concept shows as we move further south that buildings and new community building.

1055
01:30:19,600 --> 01:30:29,160
It's about one and a half times the footprint of the existing camp and bathroom building. And so of course we'll have new bathrooms. We're also a four season community gathering area and room.

1056
01:30:29,160 --> 01:30:34,380
something that a lot of people express support for the ability to use the park space year-round

1057
01:30:34,380 --> 01:30:41,160
potentially indoors. You see some nature play nodes but also a larger nature play area near 21

1058
01:30:41,160 --> 01:30:47,020
new parking spaces at the southern side of the park. Very high demand for that for people using the

1059
01:30:47,020 --> 01:30:53,340
barbecue area for people using a multi-sport court that we show on this concept. We show an additional

1060
01:30:53,340 --> 01:30:59,400
side walk connection between this new parking area and Robin Hood Lane. And there are

1061
01:30:59,400 --> 01:31:05,180
others smaller finer grain amenities like a bicycle hub, a path that could be used up to

1062
01:31:05,180 --> 01:31:10,220
that barbecue area and past nature play. And of course we don't want to forget the area

1063
01:31:10,220 --> 01:31:16,100
the amphitheater, accessible parking, composting toilets potentially and other improvements

1064
01:31:16,100 --> 01:31:19,760
that the city can do to that end.

1065
01:31:20,940 --> 01:31:24,760
So concept B is really similar to what I just showed you.

1066
01:31:24,780 --> 01:31:26,360
It has a new pool.

1067
01:31:27,020 --> 01:31:28,840
But otherwise, very similar features

1068
01:31:28,840 --> 01:31:31,520
were the small splash pad, refurbished pool building.

1069
01:31:32,160 --> 01:31:34,580
A new pool would allow us to move some of these features

1070
01:31:34,580 --> 01:31:36,980
northward, allowing for a little more parking

1071
01:31:36,980 --> 01:31:40,460
as well as a drop-off area on that northern parking area.

1072
01:31:40,500 --> 01:31:44,160
But otherwise, what I just laid out for the first concept

1073
01:31:44,160 --> 01:31:45,260
would remain the same.

1074
01:31:45,260 --> 01:31:47,500
And here are just some food for thought images.

1075
01:31:48,620 --> 01:31:51,560
We prepared a larger report going into all of these,

1076
01:31:52,000 --> 01:31:55,360
as well as stewardship of many of the woodlands on the site,

1077
01:31:55,740 --> 01:31:57,520
and some recommendations about that.

1078
01:31:57,520 --> 01:32:02,500
And I understand that report is available on the city website.

1079
01:32:03,160 --> 01:32:05,280
A way finding along with accessibility

1080
01:32:05,280 --> 01:32:08,140
is going to be critical, a cohesive plan

1081
01:32:08,140 --> 01:32:11,640
for guiding people around the park, not only physically,

1082
01:32:12,060 --> 01:32:13,520
but allowing folks to understand

1083
01:32:13,520 --> 01:32:20,500
that there's really special ecology and geology underlying this park and it's a wonderful opportunity

1084
01:32:20,500 --> 01:32:25,340
integrate play and recreation with really science and education and that's one thing that

1085
01:32:25,340 --> 01:32:30,460
really resonated with a lot of people we spoke with in illustration of that learning meadow

1086
01:32:30,460 --> 01:32:35,600
that I talked about in the area of the current camp building in pavilion, multi-sport court

1087
01:32:35,600 --> 01:32:41,340
and rink is a very flexible space that can be anything from many pitch soccer to an ice rink

1088
01:32:41,340 --> 01:32:47,520
in the winter. And really, that's essentially it. I encourage you to read the report. But on behalf

1089
01:32:47,520 --> 01:32:53,440
of our team, I just want to thank the city for the opportunity to work again for the enhancement

1090
01:32:53,440 --> 01:32:58,020
of your parks. And if you have any questions, Andy and I all do our best to answer them.

1091
01:32:58,080 --> 01:33:04,760
Good presentation. Can you? Very, very, my lights on. Briefly, what's the difference between

1092
01:33:04,760 --> 01:33:12,700
plan one plan two. Yeah, sure. Go, just back to them. As we call it, or one, it's the existing

1093
01:33:12,700 --> 01:33:18,360
pool that would be refurbished where it is and I understand the city is exploring whether a

1094
01:33:18,360 --> 01:33:23,820
liner product can actually extend the life of this pool significantly and some improvements to the

1095
01:33:23,820 --> 01:33:29,560
apron at the same time. Whereas the second you'll see, if you do look at that L shape, that is the

1096
01:33:29,560 --> 01:33:36,260
existing pool footprint. The second B moves a new pool, which is very slightly smaller.

1097
01:33:36,500 --> 01:33:41,700
It doesn't quite have the L that has it, but it's a standard length and width for use

1098
01:33:41,700 --> 01:33:48,460
by some types of like competition level. And expectations, like it's a 30 meter long pool,

1099
01:33:48,480 --> 01:33:53,220
for example. And it really just moves improvements up north a bit to add also a little parking

1100
01:33:53,220 --> 01:33:57,580
just down below. So I'll just toggle back and forth and you can kind of see the difference.

1101
01:33:57,580 --> 01:34:01,500
the mid-end south portions of these two plans are identical.

1102
01:34:02,000 --> 01:34:03,120
The cost differences.

1103
01:34:05,240 --> 01:34:09,200
Certainly refurbishing the existing pool would enjoy significant cost savings.

1104
01:34:12,910 --> 01:34:13,590
That's a good thing.

1105
01:34:14,690 --> 01:34:17,990
I was confident in the question, I guess.

1106
01:34:18,630 --> 01:34:24,370
After attending the outdoor meeting back in September, which is well attended, there was

1107
01:34:24,370 --> 01:34:26,750
a lot of area residents that attended that.

1108
01:34:26,750 --> 01:34:29,330
And after that meeting was over, a lot of them got in touch with me.

1109
01:34:29,610 --> 01:34:32,390
A was he, keep the pool, it was either refurbished or replaced.

1110
01:34:32,550 --> 01:34:39,090
So that was by far the whole east side of the city wants their pool refurbished or replaced.

1111
01:34:39,430 --> 01:34:44,030
No splash bad, no concrete, just keep or refurbished the pool.

1112
01:34:44,050 --> 01:34:45,190
That was number one.

1113
01:34:45,510 --> 01:34:50,550
Number two is newer, renovated bathrooms, fixing those and better lift.

1114
01:34:50,750 --> 01:34:51,650
That was number two.

1115
01:34:51,890 --> 01:34:55,810
Beyond that, most residents of spoke to me were just fine with those two items.

1116
01:34:55,810 --> 01:35:00,430
The third most important thing was, don't raise our taxes doing this.

1117
01:35:00,910 --> 01:35:05,290
That was third, so plan A or plan B, both of them look great, but I think it's going

1118
01:35:05,290 --> 01:35:10,030
to come down to when you get beyond the pool and beyond the bathrooms, keep costs and check.

1119
01:35:10,490 --> 01:35:15,610
Because if this grants out there, I know Andy's great at going after them, we applaud

1120
01:35:15,610 --> 01:35:16,310
you for that.

1121
01:35:16,330 --> 01:35:20,210
If you can find the grants to expand some of these other things great, but if it's going to

1122
01:35:20,210 --> 01:35:23,130
go to the tax rolls, let's stick to the pool and to the bathrooms.

1123
01:35:24,170 --> 01:35:31,970
And I would just say Councillor, the flash vote information that we got definitely supports

1124
01:35:31,970 --> 01:35:38,410
the constituents that called you and focused on the pool and the bathrooms and really

1125
01:35:38,410 --> 01:35:39,770
refurbishing what we have.

1126
01:35:41,170 --> 01:35:46,970
So as we go further kind of the next steps, because right now part of the premise of doing

1127
01:35:46,970 --> 01:35:55,290
this summer and getting this reported out was for the upcoming CIP process. So we didn't

1128
01:35:55,290 --> 01:36:02,470
change the numbers that we had identified previously. So we're looking at still working

1129
01:36:02,470 --> 01:36:08,990
with an additional folks to find out related to the liner. It kind of came late in the process

1130
01:36:08,990 --> 01:36:15,650
as an identification of an opportunity for us, which could be some significant savings to us

1131
01:36:15,650 --> 01:36:22,030
really extend the life of the pool. We're still investigating that to make sure that that is

1132
01:36:22,030 --> 01:36:29,930
the right direction. And if it is, then I think we've done a great job at saving money and utilizing

1133
01:36:29,930 --> 01:36:34,950
the budget that we have proposed for some of the other items. The bathrooms, I think, are, you

1134
01:36:34,950 --> 01:36:41,810
know, that's significant. And we're going to have to put some work into those regardless this year.

1135
01:36:42,630 --> 01:36:53,630
So, I think these are some of the things that the community has asked for, and keep in mind that this was a concept plan.

1136
01:36:53,910 --> 01:37:00,790
So, all the ideas came forward, and that's what Dan kind of like put everything together and what this looks like.

1137
01:37:01,690 --> 01:37:10,750
Then the next step is really, because we'll be using this information for another LW CF application, which you approved for the application process.

1138
01:37:10,750 --> 01:37:20,070
a couple weeks ago. The next step is that in FY27, we're going to refine this design and say,

1139
01:37:20,250 --> 01:37:27,490
okay, this is the budget that we have and let's meet that budget accordingly. So I think we're

1140
01:37:27,490 --> 01:37:33,330
going to be on the right track moving forward. Thank you. Yeah. Good answers. Yep, Councillor.

1141
01:37:34,530 --> 01:37:40,190
Thank you for all your work on this. Just to say I'm very happy it looks like we'll be able to

1142
01:37:40,190 --> 01:37:46,150
keep a pool in some form. I've been scared at the price tag of that. Well, knowing that

1143
01:37:46,150 --> 01:37:49,770
that pool is extremely important to people on the east side, you know, kids go there.

1144
01:37:49,930 --> 01:37:53,570
My kid worked there this summer. It's, you know, it's an important resource for the community.

1145
01:37:54,890 --> 01:38:01,310
And, you know, when we, when we do upgrade or replace the pool, fix the pool,

1146
01:38:03,550 --> 01:38:08,370
let's also make sure we've got, we've got the programming to go with it because, you know,

1147
01:38:08,370 --> 01:38:10,570
We're going to make this investment in our parks.

1148
01:38:11,530 --> 01:38:14,970
We've also got to ensure that it's being used.

1149
01:38:15,530 --> 01:38:17,890
And let's make sure that we encourage people

1150
01:38:17,890 --> 01:38:19,530
to get out and use it.

1151
01:38:19,670 --> 01:38:23,330
Because it's a great pool, but perhaps a little underutilized

1152
01:38:23,330 --> 01:38:24,330
last year.

1153
01:38:25,010 --> 01:38:27,570
What I'd like to see what we can do to get people out there,

1154
01:38:27,610 --> 01:38:28,430
because it's a great facility.

1155
01:38:29,870 --> 01:38:34,230
Also, I want to speak up for splash pads, which

1156
01:38:34,820 --> 01:38:37,810
when I had a toddler and there was a splash pad

1157
01:38:37,810 --> 01:38:39,630
in the neighborhood, it was a greatest thing.

1158
01:38:40,150 --> 01:38:43,270
And I think a lot of parents who were a little older,

1159
01:38:43,390 --> 01:38:44,930
and maybe haven't experienced that, you know,

1160
01:38:45,230 --> 01:38:48,850
maybe don't know, but just a place where your kid

1161
01:38:48,850 --> 01:38:52,570
can go and get wet on a high day means a lot,

1162
01:38:52,790 --> 01:38:54,410
without necessarily being a pool,

1163
01:38:54,710 --> 01:38:57,010
that would be a very good thing for our community.

1164
01:38:57,590 --> 01:38:58,610
So thank you.

1165
01:38:58,630 --> 01:38:58,970
Thank you.

1166
01:38:59,590 --> 01:39:00,130
Yeah, of course.

1167
01:39:02,600 --> 01:39:08,780
I'm going to just agree with my fellow councilor over here.

1168
01:39:09,900 --> 01:39:15,800
Because I'm going to put together everything different committees that have told me,

1169
01:39:16,600 --> 01:39:23,760
you as one committee has come out and said, we have to improve the east side of this city.

1170
01:39:24,540 --> 01:39:29,580
And with this and this and this, well, being on the school committee,

1171
01:39:30,340 --> 01:39:36,440
what has happened over and over and over and over has been economic discrimination.

1172
01:39:36,440 --> 01:39:44,840
We have been fighting and we have finally won to improve the quality of school of Franklin

1173
01:39:44,840 --> 01:39:45,500
school.

1174
01:39:45,980 --> 01:39:51,280
We are definitely improving the quality of wheel-like school.

1175
01:39:51,780 --> 01:39:58,320
Those are kind of the foundations to bring people into that area and both of those schools

1176
01:39:58,320 --> 01:39:59,340
are growing.

1177
01:40:00,920 --> 01:40:06,420
What we have invested both on the school and along in the city, the park, we have

1178
01:40:06,420 --> 01:40:24,380
We love Park. I've held a place that people want to come to. Okay, we, the bike path. I mean, not the, the bike thing out there, the pool, the, the baseball fields. Everything is out there. We like Park.

1179
01:40:24,380 --> 01:40:34,360
We improve on Simon's school, we have done all that stuff, we have moved the Y out there, everything is out there on that side of the town.

1180
01:40:35,240 --> 01:40:42,100
What have we done on this side of the town, the east side of the town in the last 20 years?

1181
01:40:42,100 --> 01:40:51,260
We've upgraded the direct center a little bit, but for a long time the east side, the city

1182
01:40:51,260 --> 01:40:57,820
which just turned into housing for the college, for college students.

1183
01:40:58,340 --> 01:41:06,500
We are now seeing people coming back in, back filming those areas, if we want to bring

1184
01:41:06,500 --> 01:41:14,940
more people back into the east side to upgrade the quality of the plate, the apartments and

1185
01:41:14,940 --> 01:41:21,240
building because we thought about, I don't know if it was here or at the state house,

1186
01:41:21,560 --> 01:41:26,600
of creating a fund to help people buy their houses and upgrade the quality of the houses,

1187
01:41:27,100 --> 01:41:34,640
because we know if we upgrade the quality of houses we increase the tax base. So we need a good

1188
01:41:34,640 --> 01:41:42,500
attraction. I think we need to make a proper investment in Will, I mean, Robin Hood Park that

1189
01:41:42,500 --> 01:41:50,480
moms and dads want to bring the kids there. It comes a focal event. You touched on the

1190
01:41:50,480 --> 01:41:58,880
amplitude. You know that the empathy it was used to heck of a lot more in years past.

1191
01:42:03,940 --> 01:42:03,960
Yes,

1192
01:42:03,960 --> 01:42:10,500
The ice, but you also know Andy, you remember when they dropped the fish there and you

1193
01:42:10,500 --> 01:42:16,160
had the fish turnerings, how that was such a big attraction, that's what I would like

1194
01:42:16,160 --> 01:42:16,620
to say.

1195
01:42:17,080 --> 01:42:23,780
Even if it's a five or a ten-year plan, we had the budget out, what do we want, will I mean

1196
01:42:23,780 --> 01:42:26,700
Robin Hood park to look like ten years from now?

1197
01:42:27,560 --> 01:42:31,660
Why can't it be up to his potential just like will I park?

1198
01:42:31,660 --> 01:42:33,280
That's what I'm looking forward.

1199
01:42:35,600 --> 01:42:36,800
Thank you.

1200
01:42:36,960 --> 01:42:38,560
Great point by the council.

1201
01:42:38,920 --> 01:42:42,860
I would just point out that I think as you see in the CIP,

1202
01:42:43,260 --> 01:42:47,220
we've put in for two years FY27 and FY28

1203
01:42:48,140 --> 01:42:51,880
and through the LWCF grants will certainly be applying

1204
01:42:51,880 --> 01:42:54,780
for those to enhance as we did with Russell Park,

1205
01:42:55,020 --> 01:42:57,920
which has been a tremendous lift to the east side

1206
01:42:57,920 --> 01:43:00,520
and with the skate park that's going in.

1207
01:43:00,520 --> 01:43:07,600
that location next spring. I really feel like the east side is going to have some great park

1208
01:43:07,600 --> 01:43:13,220
amenities. And if you think about Russell Park, you know, Robin Hood's not that far off,

1209
01:43:13,380 --> 01:43:19,400
but Russell Park had 48% of its red, the keen residents within a 10-minute walk of that facility.

1210
01:43:20,860 --> 01:43:25,680
In Robin Hood's not that much farther up to road, so I don't know the exact math, but I'm going

1211
01:43:25,680 --> 01:43:32,500
Yes, it's somewhere around 35% and so we have a great opportunity as you state the council

1212
01:43:32,500 --> 01:43:38,420
Roberts and I'll just be remiss if I don't state that you know council Williams has

1213
01:43:38,420 --> 01:43:45,920
been on two park projects now with Russell Park and this park and the knowledge is brought

1214
01:43:45,920 --> 01:43:50,680
from Russell over to this has been really helpful just to bring people in related to that

1215
01:43:50,680 --> 01:43:58,400
compliance and making sure that accessibility is there. So I think we've had really great input

1216
01:43:58,400 --> 01:44:07,060
from the counselor on this particular project. So Andy are you looking for any recommendation

1217
01:44:07,060 --> 01:44:14,820
or is this just this would be informational? Good information. Anything questions from the public?

1218
01:44:14,820 --> 01:44:17,420
this is obviously an East side project.

1219
01:44:22,500 --> 01:44:22,800
Yeah.

1220
01:44:23,080 --> 01:44:25,360
Hi, Jennifer, size 10 for your field court.

1221
01:44:26,360 --> 01:44:27,580
I have a question about the pool.

1222
01:44:27,760 --> 01:44:29,440
I'm definitely in favor of the pool.

1223
01:44:31,720 --> 01:44:36,020
I want to make sure that if we refurbish the pool,

1224
01:44:36,580 --> 01:44:39,280
that how long are we expanding the life of the pool,

1225
01:44:39,380 --> 01:44:42,440
I don't know anything about what the pool issues are,

1226
01:44:42,680 --> 01:44:44,460
but if we have to come back in five years,

1227
01:44:44,480 --> 01:44:46,200
this project isn't going to start for our views.

1228
01:44:46,200 --> 01:44:50,260
And if we have to come back on five years and dig it all up because the pipes underground

1229
01:44:50,260 --> 01:44:53,840
are working, then I think we shouldn't go that route.

1230
01:44:54,200 --> 01:44:56,500
So I know this is a short term cost.

1231
01:44:56,920 --> 01:44:59,980
We're looking at the cost now, but I think we have to look at it.

1232
01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:03,800
A little bit beyond that, so I don't know anything, but that's my comment.

1233
01:45:03,800 --> 01:45:04,700
Very good question.

1234
01:45:06,060 --> 01:45:15,280
So the concept behind what we're looking at is taking the pool itself, putting a PVC liner within it.

1235
01:45:15,480 --> 01:45:22,700
And changing, by doing this, we can change some of the elements, so it'd be like a zero entry pool.

1236
01:45:22,700 --> 01:45:27,160
and make it all ADA compliant at the same time.

1237
01:45:27,380 --> 01:45:34,120
We'd have to redo the gutters and some of the apron around the pool as well.

1238
01:45:34,600 --> 01:45:37,420
So this would actually be more of a long-term project.

1239
01:45:37,920 --> 01:45:40,620
So it would be, or long-term impact.

1240
01:45:40,680 --> 01:45:46,460
You're looking at about a 15-year window of once you install this liner.

1241
01:45:46,640 --> 01:45:51,040
It would be that last and then you replace the liner moving forward.

1242
01:45:51,040 --> 01:45:56,340
So I think you definitely have the longevity that you're looking for, and certainly within

1243
01:45:56,340 --> 01:46:02,860
that end of that 15-year life, you come back to the table, and is this still the direction

1244
01:46:02,860 --> 01:46:05,400
of the community, because I don't.

1245
01:46:05,400 --> 01:46:10,760
The replacement cost of the liner is still significantly less than going out and building

1246
01:46:10,760 --> 01:46:11,460
a new pool.

1247
01:46:11,600 --> 01:46:15,740
And if we do it right the first time, I think the community will be happy, and especially

1248
01:46:15,740 --> 01:46:16,660
the East Side.

1249
01:46:18,060 --> 01:46:18,820
Very good.

1250
01:46:20,260 --> 01:46:20,960
I don't think that a pool and a splash pattern mutually

1251
01:46:22,600 --> 01:46:25,680
We're over time feeding night valley street.

1252
01:46:26,240 --> 01:46:31,680
Kudos to Councillor Roberts and to Councillor Williams.

1253
01:46:32,760 --> 01:46:38,840
I hope we're not going to be penny-wise and pound foolish when it comes to the

1254
01:46:38,840 --> 01:46:39,500
pool amenities.

1255
01:46:40,540 --> 01:46:42,740
And that would be my one concern about it.

1256
01:46:44,140 --> 01:46:48,400
Secondly, on another point, the summers are heating up.

1257
01:46:48,400 --> 01:46:55,120
I don't think that a pool and a splash pad are mutually exclusive and splash pads

1258
01:46:55,120 --> 01:46:57,180
that occurs to me are much less costly.

1259
01:46:58,140 --> 01:47:03,700
I mean, lots of kids are going to be swimming and splash pad is a wonderful cooling area

1260
01:47:03,700 --> 01:47:07,160
for little ones who can't do yet swim.

1261
01:47:08,180 --> 01:47:12,480
So I don't think that mutually exclusive and I encourage continuing to look at a splash

1262
01:47:12,480 --> 01:47:17,420
have had as a part of the infrastructure.

1263
01:47:19,720 --> 01:47:23,340
Anyone else of the public committee?

1264
01:47:24,860 --> 01:47:29,380
Who's up for the first information information?

1265
01:47:30,160 --> 01:47:32,500
Move that this report to accept that is information.

1266
01:47:34,680 --> 01:47:37,180
And from the public committee,

1267
01:47:37,180 --> 01:47:43,260
Motion's been made in seconded and therefore, all in favor, we are unanimous.

1268
01:47:43,560 --> 01:47:43,880
Thank you.

1269
01:47:43,960 --> 01:47:44,360
Thank you.

1270
01:47:45,020 --> 01:47:45,640
Good reporting.

1271
01:47:46,280 --> 01:47:49,960
Again, thank you for the reshuffling of the agenda.

1272
01:47:51,720 --> 01:47:54,040
And we come to item five.

1273
01:47:54,480 --> 01:47:59,120
This is a conversation regarding safety concerns on the east side of

1274
01:47:59,120 --> 01:48:01,240
keen and strategies to address homelessness.

1275
01:48:02,540 --> 01:48:04,620
So first up, I'll recognize the city manager.

1276
01:48:05,740 --> 01:48:06,820
Thank you.

1277
01:48:07,600 --> 01:48:14,000
As promised, tonight I am reporting out and providing an update to the committee regarding

1278
01:48:14,000 --> 01:48:20,240
topics discussed at your MSFI meeting regarding the concerns expressed on our east side.

1279
01:48:21,140 --> 01:48:26,700
I will start and then turn it over to Andy and Court, one request to provide an update, and

1280
01:48:26,700 --> 01:48:32,320
then Chief Stewart has a few words as well, and then finally Beth Daniels from SES.

1281
01:48:32,320 --> 01:48:35,380
So we have a pretty extensive update for you this evening.

1282
01:48:35,540 --> 01:48:36,380
We're here now.

1283
01:48:37,280 --> 01:48:42,020
Since the MSF meeting, we've had several city task force meetings regarding homelessness.

1284
01:48:42,760 --> 01:48:44,140
We meet every other week.

1285
01:48:44,680 --> 01:48:48,500
This task force is made up of departments with the boots on the ground.

1286
01:48:49,220 --> 01:48:56,680
Police, fire, public works, parks, facilities, community development, health and code, and our economic development director.

1287
01:48:57,340 --> 01:49:05,740
We discuss issues we are seeing or are being issues that are being reported to us and then we brainstorm ideas and solutions.

1288
01:49:07,260 --> 01:49:11,260
And then we assign tasks and then at the next meeting we report out on the progress.

1289
01:49:12,660 --> 01:49:19,960
In addition we've had multiple meetings with SES to discuss cold weather plans during the coldest nights of the year.

1290
01:49:20,660 --> 01:49:42,140
So I'll start by discussing the first concerns, which was related to needles, and since the meeting, Andy Bohann, and Chi-Farquar and Morgan Britain from the Serenity Center, with the support of Sam Lake, the Executive Director of the Serenity Center, who is also here with us tonight,

1291
01:49:42,140 --> 01:49:48,760
Have discussed the additional needle disposal boxes for the Pat Russell Park and the library.

1292
01:49:49,920 --> 01:49:56,260
Serenity Center has offered to provide the boxes and empty them as part of their needle disposal projects.

1293
01:49:56,420 --> 01:50:01,120
So this is a really great service that they're willing to provide for us.

1294
01:50:01,740 --> 01:50:05,200
These boxes have arrived and I spoke with Andy.

1295
01:50:05,440 --> 01:50:09,100
We plan to have them installed by the end of the month in those two locations.

1296
01:50:09,100 --> 01:50:16,140
We are looking to potentially expand this program to other parks and trails, but this is our first step.

1297
01:50:17,100 --> 01:50:22,800
In addition, we are looking to set up a program at the library to make Narcan more widely available.

1298
01:50:23,880 --> 01:50:33,280
Chief Barquar has offered training assistance as well as Andy's team and the library is very much interested in being part of this.

1299
01:50:33,280 --> 01:50:41,200
We also heard concerns that MSFI related to trail trimming and lighting, Andy Bohannon and

1300
01:50:41,200 --> 01:50:47,040
court-blomped quests have both had teams go out and trim different areas, and they will

1301
01:50:47,040 --> 01:50:52,660
provide an update both related to trimming and to lighting, which was another comment

1302
01:50:52,660 --> 01:50:53,380
at the meeting.

1303
01:50:54,820 --> 01:51:01,520
The suggested addition of a public bathroom staff has added the proposal in the capital improvement

1304
01:51:01,520 --> 01:51:07,560
plan for a bathroom to be added downtown, which would be timed with the downtown project.

1305
01:51:08,800 --> 01:51:13,660
So, you know, we opened up the bathrooms of the Pat Russell Park in a short amount of time

1306
01:51:13,660 --> 01:51:14,820
they were vandalized.

1307
01:51:15,620 --> 01:51:20,740
It was the same issue that we experienced long before I arrived when we had bathrooms available

1308
01:51:20,740 --> 01:51:21,520
in the downtown.

1309
01:51:21,680 --> 01:51:26,260
So we have searched for the most indestructible bathroom we can find.

1310
01:51:26,940 --> 01:51:32,620
So, you're going to be shocked at the price, but there are a range of options and depending

1311
01:51:32,620 --> 01:51:38,060
on the level of automation, the cost is between $400,500,000 for one bathroom.

1312
01:51:39,540 --> 01:51:47,600
Yes, I know it's shocking, but I've added it to your capital plan because you had requests

1313
01:51:47,600 --> 01:51:52,340
to me to do so, and this will be presented to the Council at the January Workshop where

1314
01:51:52,340 --> 01:51:53,960
we kick off that discussion.

1315
01:51:54,880 --> 01:51:59,360
And I did add it to be time for the downtown projects so that we're in the Gilbow

1316
01:51:59,360 --> 01:52:00,080
Ab area.

1317
01:52:00,600 --> 01:52:03,280
We would be able to do it at the same time.

1318
01:52:04,260 --> 01:52:07,980
And in addition to that, I know of the last couple of weeks, hundreds of nights did

1319
01:52:07,980 --> 01:52:12,380
check with community development office to determine if they could locate a port of party

1320
01:52:12,380 --> 01:52:13,360
at their site.

1321
01:52:13,600 --> 01:52:17,160
And it's my understanding that it's something that they could get approved by the community

1322
01:52:17,160 --> 01:52:22,300
development department if they decided to pursue it, but I'm not sure if they are or not.

1323
01:52:22,300 --> 01:52:31,240
There were also comments about homes in sidewalks and disrepair in the east side.

1324
01:52:31,460 --> 01:52:37,280
In regards to the conditions, concerns related to conditions of homes, I have directed the

1325
01:52:37,280 --> 01:52:43,600
community development department to prepare a presentation for Gassu, the MSFI Committee,

1326
01:52:44,800 --> 01:52:46,540
and that it will be at your December 12 meeting.

1327
01:52:46,540 --> 01:52:53,240
Our code enforcement program is one that is reactive, meaning that we respond to complaints.

1328
01:52:53,960 --> 01:53:00,920
I've asked the department to explain our current system and discuss what it would take to actually create a more proactive

1329
01:53:00,920 --> 01:53:02,800
code enforcement department.

1330
01:53:04,140 --> 01:53:09,660
And so that I could get some additional direction before we put together the operating budget,

1331
01:53:09,760 --> 01:53:11,920
which will be the next step in our budgeting process.

1332
01:53:12,920 --> 01:53:22,120
In regards to sidewalk projects, as you know, we have a sidewalk asset management plan, which is also part of the city's capital plan.

1333
01:53:22,880 --> 01:53:30,100
You have a presentation about sidewalks at your September 27th committee meeting, so I'll just a little while ago.

1334
01:53:30,720 --> 01:53:38,320
If you want to increase the amount of sidewalks I know some of you do, sidewalk projects that we do each year, we would need to increase the budget.

1335
01:53:38,320 --> 01:53:42,920
Several sidewalk projects are scheduled in the east side.

1336
01:53:43,500 --> 01:53:49,500
There are 23 miles of sidewalk improvements planned over the next seven years of the capital plan.

1337
01:53:50,240 --> 01:53:57,760
And as you know, the sidewalk asset management plan looks at these projects and prioritizes them based on level of demand.

1338
01:53:57,920 --> 01:54:02,400
So the amount of pedestrian use, current condition and then safety concerns.

1339
01:54:03,380 --> 01:54:10,800
In regards to engaging more volunteers in helping us to solve some of these issues,

1340
01:54:12,020 --> 01:54:18,060
SES is looking to bring some volunteer training back and we will need volunteers for any

1341
01:54:18,060 --> 01:54:24,080
overflow shelters that are created. We met with the UCC Church today about setting up an

1342
01:54:24,080 --> 01:54:29,760
arrangement and partnership with SES in the city to create overflow capacity for the homeless

1343
01:54:29,760 --> 01:54:36,320
on the coldest nights of the year, but the city also has a volunteer program and it's kind

1344
01:54:36,320 --> 01:54:43,660
of been dormit. It's been used, but it's not been really advertised recently. The city has

1345
01:54:43,660 --> 01:54:49,100
what's called the Spirit of Place Program. I'm not sure if you have one of these up there or not,

1346
01:54:49,220 --> 01:54:55,280
but here I have a couple. I'll pass up there. This program has been in place for a long time.

1347
01:54:57,480 --> 01:55:07,930
Let's see, it's right now what we mostly use it for the adopt-event program, some parks,

1348
01:55:08,250 --> 01:55:09,970
and some of the roundabouts.

1349
01:55:10,070 --> 01:55:17,010
In fact, Greenwill, Real Reality, adopted one of our roundabout centers, and is part of our

1350
01:55:17,010 --> 01:55:18,330
spirit of place program.

1351
01:55:19,030 --> 01:55:25,690
So what we're planning to do is we'll be adding more volunteer opportunities, including some

1352
01:55:25,690 --> 01:55:31,870
side volunteer opportunities to this program and revamping the guidelines because it really

1353
01:55:31,870 --> 01:55:35,430
hasn't been looked at in several years. It hasn't been looked at since I've been here.

1354
01:55:35,610 --> 01:55:45,010
Even though we've done some volunteer programs, it really hasn't been advertised. And then once

1355
01:55:45,010 --> 01:55:52,190
we revamp it, we would be asking Rebecca Landriek to promote it for us and see if we can engage.

1356
01:55:52,830 --> 01:56:02,590
This established program includes all the necessary volunteer paperwork and it makes sense to look at what we currently have and then just reestablish that program.

1357
01:56:03,410 --> 01:56:20,130
The official volunteers this part of this program are recognized by the city and this is a great program not only to find a way to engage our east side who are asking how can I help but really to engage the community more and build a greater sense of community.

1358
01:56:20,130 --> 01:56:25,790
And so I'm excited about looking at how we can really get this program active again.

1359
01:56:27,310 --> 01:56:31,670
In addition, there are volunteer opportunities on city boards and commissions.

1360
01:56:32,570 --> 01:56:36,370
And there's a great deal of work that's ongoing regarding the housing crisis.

1361
01:56:37,010 --> 01:56:41,890
The city has implemented several zoning changes to create more opportunities for housing,

1362
01:56:41,890 --> 01:56:52,090
densification of the downtown reduced lot size in the rural district, and we're currently working on and you know this, but it may be the public doesn't kind of exciting.

1363
01:56:53,350 --> 01:57:05,090
A cottage court overlay ordinance through the PLD and the joint PLD to create opportunities for development of more affordable homes with smaller footprints including tiny homes.

1364
01:57:05,090 --> 01:57:17,390
So that is making its way right now through the committee process and I think that will create another opportunity for some more development of housing at different affordability options.

1365
01:57:19,010 --> 01:57:24,390
There are also opportunities to get involved with SES lead homeless coalition.

1366
01:57:24,930 --> 01:57:27,130
So that I've talked about that coalition before.

1367
01:57:27,130 --> 01:57:29,930
It's regional partners who work with the homeless,

1368
01:57:30,010 --> 01:57:33,070
so they do all sorts of provide for all sorts of services.

1369
01:57:33,870 --> 01:57:38,010
And city staff from human services attend those meetings,

1370
01:57:38,090 --> 01:57:41,330
sometimes I attend as well as members of the police department,

1371
01:57:41,730 --> 01:57:42,810
depending on what's on the agenda.

1372
01:57:43,710 --> 01:57:46,750
They meet once a month and it's been virtual since COVID,

1373
01:57:46,850 --> 01:57:49,770
so it's pretty easy to join if someone's interested.

1374
01:57:50,610 --> 01:57:52,790
At their last meeting, they brainstormed

1375
01:57:52,790 --> 01:57:56,470
what opportunities exist to work together in the subgroup.

1376
01:57:56,470 --> 01:58:02,470
they are currently working with partners to expand mobile support services which is one of the

1377
01:58:02,470 --> 01:58:10,450
things I've talked a lot about and multi agency mobile outreach teams and so I'm very excited about

1378
01:58:10,450 --> 01:58:16,890
the work that they're doing and I will support them however I can and I mentioned they are looking

1379
01:58:16,890 --> 01:58:23,150
at creating volunteer training which is also great and we will be happy to help them promote that

1380
01:58:24,490 --> 01:58:30,150
And working with us on the cold, cold weather overflow operations, which is going to be important.

1381
01:58:30,430 --> 01:58:36,110
It's getting cold out, but these options are typically available on the coldest nights of the year.

1382
01:58:36,330 --> 01:58:40,250
And we usually get a weather alert from the state when that's happening.

1383
01:58:40,890 --> 01:58:43,170
Not a lot of advanced notice, a couple of days.

1384
01:58:43,290 --> 01:58:50,050
But those are the nights that the people who may be living in the woods who aren't for whatever reason in the shelters.

1385
01:58:50,050 --> 01:58:57,330
those of the nights they might come in for a night or two. And so we've always had to have some sort of option for that.

1386
01:58:57,590 --> 01:59:01,470
And we're looking at what that will be for this for this winter.

1387
01:59:03,050 --> 01:59:10,410
So Beth Daniels, who is the executive director, is here, and she will provide an update and following her.

1388
01:59:10,710 --> 01:59:13,290
She, her update will be following the police chief.

1389
01:59:14,010 --> 01:59:20,690
I want to take this opportunity to also recognize SES and Beth Daniel specifically.

1390
01:59:20,970 --> 01:59:26,810
They have been amazing partners to the city, just helping us brainstorm solutions and

1391
01:59:26,810 --> 01:59:29,370
always being willing to assist.

1392
01:59:30,950 --> 01:59:37,310
The other thing that we've been working on since the last MSFIM meeting is, I talked a lot

1393
01:59:37,310 --> 01:59:42,170
about sort of the system of homelessness in the state of New Hampshire, the 211 system.

1394
01:59:43,090 --> 01:59:48,810
And one of the things that I would love to see is our ability to reserve capacity at the

1395
01:59:48,810 --> 01:59:51,210
local shelters for human services.

1396
01:59:52,150 --> 01:59:56,490
Now that we already have people who access the shelters directly.

1397
01:59:57,110 --> 01:59:59,970
What I'm talking about is if someone comes in to...

1398
02:00:00,000 --> 02:00:09,640
It's seen Natalie and Human Services, and we need a place to put them, reserving some capacity at the shelters to be able to do that.

1399
02:00:10,080 --> 02:00:27,880
And to be honest, it does two things. It helps us meet our need when people come into CS, but it also helps to reduce the inflow from other parts of the state, when those beds are being filled through the two-one-one system.

1400
02:00:28,580 --> 02:00:35,440
So I'm right now having these conversations with both SES and 100 Nights, both have indicated

1401
02:00:35,440 --> 02:00:39,780
a willingness, we're just kind of working on what that might look like and how logistically

1402
02:00:39,780 --> 02:00:44,500
we might make that happen and whether or not we would need to make a financial contribution

1403
02:00:45,160 --> 02:00:51,240
because there is a per night fee that is paid to the shelters from the state.

1404
02:00:52,060 --> 02:00:55,300
And so we're working through all of that.

1405
02:00:55,300 --> 02:01:00,800
trash. There has been a lot of conversation about trash. We talked a lot about it at our last meeting.

1406
02:01:01,820 --> 02:01:07,000
We have been working with right now. We're working with the owner behind Hanifords, the property owner,

1407
02:01:07,580 --> 02:01:14,960
about a cold weather cleanup of the site. This would be a similar arrangement made with the property owner near the

1408
02:01:14,960 --> 02:01:19,340
don't that we made with the property on their Stone Arch Bridge, the Route 101 cleanup, Pearl

1409
02:01:19,340 --> 02:01:20,740
Street, and behind Coles.

1410
02:01:21,380 --> 02:01:26,440
In those cleanups in total, we removed 35.5 tons of trash,

1411
02:01:28,520 --> 02:01:31,940
and it was a partnership with the

1412
02:01:31,940 --> 02:01:32,460
property owners.

1413
02:01:32,460 --> 02:01:35,860
The property owners paid to have the contractors come in and do the work.

1414
02:01:36,300 --> 02:01:44,940
We provided the roll-off containers to put the trash in, and then we waved the fee of the

1415
02:01:44,940 --> 02:01:52,260
that helps us to get some of these long-term encampments cleaned up with the understanding

1416
02:01:52,260 --> 02:01:56,560
that the property owners then need to come up with a plan to monitor their property

1417
02:01:56,560 --> 02:02:02,040
to prevent it becoming that kind of in that kind of condition again in the future.

1418
02:02:03,020 --> 02:02:09,500
Since our last MSFI meeting, we have also you have also approved the Key and Police Department

1419
02:02:09,500 --> 02:02:14,860
Social Worker position. It's not a great name because a lot of people get confused by what

1420
02:02:14,860 --> 02:02:22,580
actually means. But what it is is a person at the police department that will be following

1421
02:02:22,580 --> 02:02:32,060
up on all of the opioid or substance use related calls. And looking to provide services

1422
02:02:32,060 --> 02:02:38,900
or connect the individual with treatment or whatever services they may need. And oftentimes

1423
02:02:38,900 --> 02:02:44,920
this means there's interaction with the homeless. It may take several times but it's a proactive

1424
02:02:44,920 --> 02:02:51,200
approach instead of a reactive approach and it's an attempt to cut down on, you know, seeing

1425
02:02:51,200 --> 02:02:55,860
the same people at the police department. So I'm excited. It's a brand new program. It's a pilot.

1426
02:02:56,340 --> 02:03:00,840
I'm sure we'll have to make adjustments as we go forward, but we're getting ready to advertise for

1427
02:03:00,840 --> 02:03:08,640
that position right now. There was a question about C, C something, say something and that is my

1428
02:03:08,640 --> 02:03:12,100
for my understanding is more of a state or federal program.

1429
02:03:12,360 --> 02:03:14,780
However, what we do have at the city

1430
02:03:14,780 --> 02:03:17,380
and we can do some more press on this

1431
02:03:17,380 --> 02:03:20,820
is called the C-C-Click Fix Program.

1432
02:03:20,920 --> 02:03:22,060
I have it on my phone.

1433
02:03:22,060 --> 02:03:24,100
It's an app that you can download

1434
02:03:24,100 --> 02:03:26,760
to report all sorts of issues.

1435
02:03:28,080 --> 02:03:31,580
You can report and include an attached picture.

1436
02:03:31,920 --> 02:03:33,460
It has like a GPS location.

1437
02:03:33,780 --> 02:03:36,160
It helps us know exactly where the problem is.

1438
02:03:36,160 --> 02:03:44,840
Right now on the menu, you can choose bike path issues, cemetery issue, dead animal, which we must get a lot of

1439
02:03:44,840 --> 02:04:05,040
to make the list. Drainage and flooding, graffiti, manhole issue, a park issue, cloud damage, sidewalk issue, a sign issue, a street light issue, trash dumping, tree issue, water and sewer issue, and then there's other, which really is just an open, you need one of reports something.

1440
02:04:05,040 --> 02:04:10,660
What the great thing is about this system is it notifies the appropriate department about the

1441
02:04:10,660 --> 02:04:11,800
concern automatically.

1442
02:04:12,420 --> 02:04:17,500
The system tracks the response and when the issue has been resolved it notifies the person

1443
02:04:17,500 --> 02:04:21,040
who reported the concern as to what was done about it.

1444
02:04:21,220 --> 02:04:27,300
So I reported a couple of years ago on here a tree issue and it went immediately to public

1445
02:04:27,300 --> 02:04:34,020
works and then with a short period of time I got a response back about what was done about

1446
02:04:34,020 --> 02:04:34,320
the tree.

1447
02:04:34,320 --> 02:04:40,400
It's a great system, and it really could be utilized a lot more.

1448
02:04:40,740 --> 02:04:44,780
It also helps us track what sort of issues we're responding to.

1449
02:04:45,160 --> 02:04:47,220
So that is out there.

1450
02:04:47,580 --> 02:04:52,100
And then there was a question about neighborhood association meetings.

1451
02:04:53,840 --> 02:04:59,020
And the department has in myself are happy to attend neighborhood association meetings on requests.

1452
02:04:59,180 --> 02:05:03,300
I used to do that when East Keane was meeting on a regular basis.

1453
02:05:03,300 --> 02:05:10,460
Sometimes they would have something on their agenda that they would want me to come and talk about or maybe they wanted the police department

1454
02:05:10,460 --> 02:05:14,540
And they would contact me and then me and someone from the police would go

1455
02:05:14,540 --> 02:05:22,300
And so we're very happy to do that. That's how we've engaged with these associations in the past and be happy to do that again

1456
02:05:23,080 --> 02:05:32,720
In addition, I would offer that if there's a topic someone is interested in bringing forward to the city's homeless task force that I could include them in one of our meetings

1457
02:05:32,720 --> 02:05:42,060
And I'm happy to dedicate a period of time to do that for public if they want to reach out and talk about an issue or ask a question,

1458
02:05:42,160 --> 02:05:45,340
happy to do that. They can give me a call or an email.

1459
02:05:46,780 --> 02:05:55,960
And then on a related topic, I've recently temporarily increased the hours of the part time admin staff and human services through the winter.

1460
02:05:56,680 --> 02:06:01,720
And we are currently recruiting for 20 hour per week out reach worker.

1461
02:06:02,520 --> 02:06:07,180
Those are both important things for us to be able to respond to the increased demand that

1462
02:06:07,180 --> 02:06:12,600
we've seen in our office and that we will continue to see throughout the winter.

1463
02:06:12,900 --> 02:06:16,260
I want to really slow back down again until summer.

1464
02:06:17,700 --> 02:06:23,220
And then lastly, we drafted an ordinance recently approved by the City Council to give more

1465
02:06:23,220 --> 02:06:28,420
flexibility when the city is working with a partner to create temporary overflow space for

1466
02:06:28,420 --> 02:06:34,620
the homeless. We just did this. We just completed that. These are typically the individuals,

1467
02:06:34,640 --> 02:06:39,060
as I mentioned before, who don't want to go into shelter, but they will come in on the very

1468
02:06:39,060 --> 02:06:44,540
cold nights. The ordinance address chapter 46, which is the licensing board requirements.

1469
02:06:44,960 --> 02:06:52,860
If we create an agreement on MOU with the city and this term is for a short term and the code says

1470
02:06:52,860 --> 02:06:54,580
less than 120 days.

1471
02:06:54,900 --> 02:06:57,220
They still have to comply with fire and building code,

1472
02:06:57,780 --> 02:07:00,260
but they don't have to go through the licensing.

1473
02:07:01,060 --> 02:07:03,920
And this change was needed for the conversation

1474
02:07:03,920 --> 02:07:06,960
that we are currently having with SES and the user

1475
02:07:06,960 --> 02:07:10,740
say church about temporary overflow during cold snaps.

1476
02:07:11,220 --> 02:07:13,420
So that's my portion of the update.

1477
02:07:13,780 --> 02:07:15,340
And then I was going to ask Courtney,

1478
02:07:15,340 --> 02:07:20,240
and Andy, to briefly update us core and Andy or Andy

1479
02:07:20,240 --> 02:07:21,200
in court, whatever.

1480
02:07:21,200 --> 02:07:29,380
or just court or just court or whatever and then have she Stewart and then Beth Daniels we've been very

1481
02:07:29,380 --> 02:07:37,100
good. Thank you. Thank you. I'm going to let Andy start off. He's going to talk about some of the things work we did over on the

1482
02:07:37,100 --> 02:07:44,560
the West Side Hanner for Dairy etc and I'll finish up with the very good news on the bathrooms but on the bathrooms and trails.

1483
02:07:45,320 --> 02:07:54,520
Thank you, Mr. Chairman, so we have hired a contractor who will be coming out, I did the

1484
02:07:54,520 --> 02:07:58,520
site walk with them today, scheduled the appointment a while ago, he's been very busy,

1485
02:07:58,740 --> 02:08:06,000
but we walked into property today, related to behind Lansing's, there's an access road that

1486
02:08:06,000 --> 02:08:14,020
goes underneath the service wires out that way and so being able to get that off for every

1487
02:08:14,020 --> 02:08:22,040
to have access, but no cars to access that area or individuals that would think it very difficult to do so.

1488
02:08:22,640 --> 02:08:26,700
So that is going to be happening here in the very near a few weeks.

1489
02:08:27,940 --> 02:08:33,580
And then we also just turn the course of the last four days.

1490
02:08:34,120 --> 02:08:40,020
Just would be remiss to say that we have cleaned up several sites in Robin Hood Park,

1491
02:08:40,880 --> 02:08:45,740
woodland cemetery in two in Nashville over a park and between those four sites

1492
02:08:45,740 --> 02:08:52,120
I was 22, 2,200 pounds of trash that were brought to the transfer station.

1493
02:08:53,760 --> 02:09:01,680
We also have done a lot of trimming along the water street to Eastern Ave.

1494
02:09:02,020 --> 02:09:07,180
We did quite a bit of a trimming from water street to the bridge that's on the Cheshire Rail

1495
02:09:07,180 --> 02:09:13,020
trail. The rest of the trail is definitely some areas that we're going to go back in during

1496
02:09:13,020 --> 02:09:19,720
this slow time during December when everything else has kind of been done and take out some

1497
02:09:19,720 --> 02:09:25,860
of the bushes and some of the clear, some of the sight lines that we know are what's needed.

1498
02:09:26,440 --> 02:09:33,140
So our department will work alongside with public works to make that happen. We also took a look

1499
02:09:33,140 --> 02:09:40,300
at lighting. So if we were to put it in lighting and along that section of trail, we're going

1500
02:09:40,300 --> 02:09:44,900
to have to have a little bit of a compromise because of the canopy that's established.

1501
02:09:46,180 --> 02:09:52,180
So in order to have solar lighting which is what's an ideal situation, you're going to

1502
02:09:52,180 --> 02:09:57,100
need to obviously the light, we're going to need to expand some of that open space. So that

1503
02:09:57,100 --> 02:10:02,280
will be something that we work on to make a presentation back to the city manager on to

1504
02:10:02,280 --> 02:10:08,280
see where that wants to go before you. We have hired

1505
02:10:09,000 --> 02:10:12,500
we've been in touch with contractors to clean up

1506
02:10:12,500 --> 02:10:16,960
two additional sites within Nashville at River Park that are fairly remote.

1507
02:10:18,020 --> 02:10:22,100
They have been in contact with me and we're going to be going out for a site visit

1508
02:10:22,100 --> 02:10:27,500
next week to those locations. And as the city manager suggested,

1509
02:10:27,500 --> 02:10:30,420
And two things, actually three,

1510
02:10:30,920 --> 02:10:32,920
a spirit of place is definitely going to be

1511
02:10:33,720 --> 02:10:35,520
revitalized through that process.

1512
02:10:36,060 --> 02:10:38,620
It's certainly, certainly, has carried on.

1513
02:10:39,260 --> 02:10:40,820
I've worked with a lot of groups over the time.

1514
02:10:40,940 --> 02:10:42,920
We just haven't called it that initiative,

1515
02:10:43,580 --> 02:10:46,040
but I think it's a good thing to bring back.

1516
02:10:46,440 --> 02:10:47,320
See, click fix.

1517
02:10:47,680 --> 02:10:50,580
We do have several signs that we just

1518
02:10:51,320 --> 02:10:53,120
revitalize with our new logo and everything.

1519
02:10:53,160 --> 02:10:55,840
And those will be going up along the east side

1520
02:10:55,840 --> 02:10:59,160
and various places along our trails in our parks.

1521
02:10:59,820 --> 02:11:04,020
So if there's a particular area that the community wants to see,

1522
02:11:04,420 --> 02:11:08,440
these signs, we can put them out, we have several of them.

1523
02:11:09,380 --> 02:11:11,720
So we can identify, we've identified several locations

1524
02:11:11,720 --> 02:11:15,160
and we'll be getting those out and we just pick those up.

1525
02:11:15,400 --> 02:11:17,640
And those will be going out here in the next couple of weeks.

1526
02:11:18,180 --> 02:11:22,520
And also related to the community neighborhood groups

1527
02:11:22,520 --> 02:11:27,220
often meet. The rec center is an option and we've hosted many

1528
02:11:27,220 --> 02:11:32,500
meetings from various community groups. So just keep that in mind when

1529
02:11:32,500 --> 02:11:36,620
folks call you and say, you know, you know, we have this group of people

1530
02:11:36,620 --> 02:11:41,020
from our neighborhood. We want to meet and there's definitely

1531
02:11:41,020 --> 02:11:45,500
opportunity mostly the North Central neighborhood meets at our

1532
02:11:45,500 --> 02:11:50,020
location on a fairly regular basis. So and certainly have given space

1533
02:11:50,020 --> 02:11:54,460
along to the east side group that just recently met.

1534
02:11:55,200 --> 02:11:58,580
So, I'll always out there and I'd like to answer any questions

1535
02:11:58,580 --> 02:11:59,820
if you, if you have any.

1536
02:12:01,660 --> 02:12:01,760
Good.

1537
02:12:02,540 --> 02:12:03,280
I think we're good.

1538
02:12:03,540 --> 02:12:03,860
Great.

1539
02:12:03,980 --> 02:12:04,420
Thank you.

1540
02:12:04,440 --> 02:12:05,920
Andy did pick up on a couple things.

1541
02:12:06,540 --> 02:12:07,720
Certainly on the trail trimming.

1542
02:12:08,240 --> 02:12:10,480
We looked at a couple of other issues as we're going.

1543
02:12:10,520 --> 02:12:12,680
We're going to be removing some lilac bushes that have been

1544
02:12:12,680 --> 02:12:16,840
previously planted, particularly along the section these

1545
02:12:16,840 --> 02:12:22,460
to have a new to Water Street the other discussion we had was our areas that we may want to look at

1546
02:12:22,460 --> 02:12:31,420
Fencing to fence off access from the side areas. One of the challenges on all our trails, these are all

1547
02:12:31,420 --> 02:12:38,300
rare recorders. They don't extend very far back from the top of the bank meaning that if you're on

1548
02:12:38,300 --> 02:12:43,640
those trails you look down, there's two that's a very sharp angle down basically the cities,

1549
02:12:43,640 --> 02:12:50,720
rights or the city ownership ends at the tolls slope, so going off in a little bit further,

1550
02:12:50,880 --> 02:12:55,140
we noted there are a couple of areas along the trail, a number of the trails where there

1551
02:12:55,140 --> 02:13:00,420
is activity, off it, that's all I get all on private property. We also noted that, again,

1552
02:13:00,520 --> 02:13:03,980
this is, again, these are discussions that are going to have to have in the community. The

1553
02:13:03,980 --> 02:13:08,880
are all other areas where trails have been created that come from the neighbor areas up onto

1554
02:13:08,880 --> 02:13:15,520
trails, unofficially. Again, those are problematic because they also provide access for other

1555
02:13:15,520 --> 02:13:20,900
individuals. So again, and I talked about, do we want to block those off in some way or not?

1556
02:13:21,460 --> 02:13:25,480
But again, those are conversations that are going to need to be met because again, it's conflicting

1557
02:13:25,480 --> 02:13:31,000
with what people have created because they want to get from their neighborhoods up on the trails.

1558
02:13:31,460 --> 02:13:36,760
The other thing that we talked about is that there are different fields on our multi-use trails,

1559
02:13:36,760 --> 02:13:41,500
there are different areas, and what ultimately do we want to have out there?

1560
02:13:41,660 --> 02:13:46,460
We can clear all of the back to the top of the bank on either side, have it completely

1561
02:13:46,460 --> 02:13:46,880
that way.

1562
02:13:47,180 --> 02:13:49,520
But there are people who come in and they don't like that.

1563
02:13:49,860 --> 02:13:52,160
They like to get the more closer feel.

1564
02:13:52,920 --> 02:13:56,820
On the lighting aspect, we did talk in and look at lighting, is handy indicated.

1565
02:13:58,160 --> 02:14:02,420
We are looking at, if we go forward, we're looking at a similar solar light system that we

1566
02:14:02,420 --> 02:14:05,480
have on the section from Pearl Street in that area.

1567
02:14:06,020 --> 02:14:10,980
One of the issues on the Eastern Avenue to Wall Street Trails is there is a heavy tree canopy.

1568
02:14:11,360 --> 02:14:18,540
Again, people have like that, that's a, that has grown up over time because once the railroad stopped their clearing, that's going over time.

1569
02:14:18,740 --> 02:14:30,320
But we're going to need to clear probably three to 500 radius around each light to be able to provide the light necessary to maintain the charge in the lights.

1570
02:14:30,320 --> 02:14:36,980
We looked at roughly right now looking at about 400 foot intervals between lights going down that trail.

1571
02:14:37,780 --> 02:14:44,900
That gets you about nine lights would be needed between Eastern Avenue and Water Street.

1572
02:14:44,900 --> 02:14:50,740
Also said we're probably need two lights at the parking area there at the end of Eastern Avenue right now.

1573
02:14:50,880 --> 02:14:53,760
There is a overhead street light nearby.

1574
02:14:54,100 --> 02:14:59,660
But if we're going to quote unquote encourage longer hours, probably going to need there.

1575
02:14:59,660 --> 02:14:59,940
Thanks.

1576
02:15:00,000 --> 02:15:06,860
So, right now, we're looking at for insulation and that's something that clearing about $9,500 today's cost per

1577
02:15:06,860 --> 02:15:13,020
light. So, you're looking at at least about $105,000 just for the lighting to go along that particular

1578
02:15:13,020 --> 02:15:16,980
trail. Right now, that's not in the capital program anywhere. Or it's not in the operating

1579
02:15:16,980 --> 02:15:21,120
budget anywhere that will be something to counsel with have to take a look at and decide if you want

1580
02:15:21,120 --> 02:15:28,000
to insert either remove other projects or deal with your guidelines and what you want to do with that.

1581
02:15:28,000 --> 02:15:34,500
The other area of the conversation needs to be occurring about as you are looking at lighting these spaces is how long do you want to do that?

1582
02:15:35,320 --> 02:15:49,120
In discussion with other communities and other parts of the country. Lighting is a great thing, but at certain times, it flips on you because now it provides that lighting to poor activities. Maybe you don't want to have.

1583
02:15:49,720 --> 02:15:54,700
So that's something, again, the community is going to need to talk about is, do you want to have like this time of year?

1584
02:15:54,700 --> 02:15:58,380
Okay, you need to starting about four o'clock till about 11.

1585
02:15:58,720 --> 02:16:02,800
Do you want to continue lighting after 11 o'clock in night or not?

1586
02:16:03,000 --> 02:16:06,500
If you get these are all part of the conversations as you start having it.

1587
02:16:06,540 --> 02:16:10,380
Some of our trails we are going to have issues with adjacent property owners.

1588
02:16:10,840 --> 02:16:13,180
As we do, the eastern avenue out to Route 101.

1589
02:16:13,840 --> 02:16:18,420
If you walk that particular section, we're basically right on people's backyards.

1590
02:16:19,020 --> 02:16:21,860
So if you start putting lighting along those yards,

1591
02:16:21,860 --> 02:16:28,300
We're going to be dealing with, okay, how do you make sure that you're not intruding on their space?

1592
02:16:28,480 --> 02:16:32,700
So these are all again, conversations and that the community's going to have to take a look at.

1593
02:16:32,940 --> 02:16:41,000
Still the thunder on the restroom? Yes, I know people are shocked at that number.

1594
02:16:41,200 --> 02:16:43,040
There are a number of companies out there that do make it.

1595
02:16:43,120 --> 02:16:44,900
There is the clinical Portland loop.

1596
02:16:45,360 --> 02:16:49,780
And again, these are pre-fabricated structures which are almost indestructible.

1597
02:16:49,780 --> 02:16:52,120
because these are ones that are made with stainless steel.

1598
02:16:52,720 --> 02:16:55,740
They're self-cleaning, concrete, et cetera.

1599
02:16:56,480 --> 02:16:58,460
So they are built around.

1600
02:16:58,580 --> 02:17:00,160
There's another company out of Canada that

1601
02:17:00,160 --> 02:17:03,160
has also gotten into the business called Urban Blue.

1602
02:17:03,380 --> 02:17:04,800
If you look, you can look them up.

1603
02:17:05,000 --> 02:17:06,700
They're doing some really neat ones.

1604
02:17:07,000 --> 02:17:09,500
Primarily upper on the Quebec area, Toronto area,

1605
02:17:09,500 --> 02:17:10,880
the GTA, that space.

1606
02:17:11,400 --> 02:17:16,060
They run anywhere from about 385 to 45 per unit.

1607
02:17:17,240 --> 02:17:24,900
But again, the, again, the, because what you're buying is, is you're buying reduced maintenance or reduced damage.

1608
02:17:25,840 --> 02:17:33,300
The average, what I found out the, the average annual sort of paper water source about $12 to $15,000.

1609
02:17:33,700 --> 02:17:38,300
So, again, along with, again, the unit, you'll be looking at at least $12 to $15,000,

1610
02:17:38,300 --> 02:17:44,660
of annual costs for supplies plus if you staff are not many, many communities are actually

1611
02:17:44,660 --> 02:17:50,060
staffing their public restrooms during certain periods of the day. Again, to one encourage

1612
02:17:50,600 --> 02:17:57,580
people not to be in there for hours, because again, they are warm spaces, they provide clean

1613
02:17:57,580 --> 02:18:02,860
up, you can clean up, etc., also to try to minimize other activities that that could occur,

1614
02:18:03,120 --> 02:18:06,840
etc., so you'll be seeing that in the CIP as a city manager mentioned.

1615
02:18:07,760 --> 02:18:16,320
Joe is thinking that there could be a new assistant city manager in charge of bathrooms for their portfolio.

1616
02:18:17,320 --> 02:18:26,640
Wow, $400,000 for a bathroom. I can't imagine. But I've heard it twice now, so I'm sure it's somewhat real.

1617
02:18:26,640 --> 02:18:26,980
Yeah.

1618
02:18:27,460 --> 02:18:27,640
That's right.

1619
02:18:28,180 --> 02:18:32,420
First, you should look up what the bathrooms are, of course, in the San Francisco, in

1620
02:18:32,420 --> 02:18:33,620
just the trash bins.

1621
02:18:33,980 --> 02:18:36,400
The trash bins are pretty close to 20,000 bucks.

1622
02:18:37,860 --> 02:18:48,420
The first thing I want to say, thank you for cleaning the brush behind the New

1623
02:18:48,420 --> 02:18:51,960
of your night shelter, taking out the mattresses,

1624
02:18:52,720 --> 02:18:55,720
the alcohol routine is the whole works.

1625
02:18:56,540 --> 02:18:59,500
When I walk into morning, it's much safer

1626
02:18:59,500 --> 02:19:02,180
you have a nice clear line of sight,

1627
02:19:02,560 --> 02:19:04,080
and you can make the determination

1628
02:19:04,080 --> 02:19:08,460
if you want to walk that way, or you want to go another way.

1629
02:19:09,420 --> 02:19:10,800
That is good.

1630
02:19:12,740 --> 02:19:14,300
The eyelid right up the street,

1631
02:19:14,980 --> 02:19:16,640
and there's heck of a lot more traffic

1632
02:19:16,640 --> 02:19:22,900
get four and five o'clock in the morning because it seems that's probably when it's opening

1633
02:19:22,900 --> 02:19:29,540
they're coming from couch surfing in other places and get ready to get in the warmth of the

1634
02:19:29,540 --> 02:19:35,280
shelter in the morning where I have seen no problems, where didn't they're riding their bikes,

1635
02:19:35,480 --> 02:19:45,360
they're walking the streets. So they're being good citizens. The second part is I have a concern

1636
02:19:45,360 --> 02:19:50,620
about Eastern Avenue to Water Street.

1637
02:19:53,530 --> 02:19:57,810
When you use that place in the summer, that canopy is a

1638
02:19:57,810 --> 02:20:07,510
great place to go. And I don't know anybody that does not like that canopy. And so when you compare

1639
02:20:07,510 --> 02:20:14,570
it to what people use it during the summer, the kids and everything, we may be looking at spending

1640
02:20:14,570 --> 02:20:21,690
an awful lot of money in destroying a lot of green space, we're getting very little use out

1641
02:20:21,690 --> 02:20:32,570
of that period during the winter months. Sometimes I go in and I walk up quite street and swing

1642
02:20:32,570 --> 02:20:41,290
around and go by the Asheville River. We don't have lights there, and so I think because we

1643
02:20:41,290 --> 02:20:47,090
to preserve the area. And I think we have to be careful that we don't come up with such a short

1644
02:20:47,090 --> 02:20:55,350
term that we lose the green space and of the stuff that we really enjoy. Plus there's a lot

1645
02:20:55,350 --> 02:21:01,810
of traffic around there and that sucks up a lot of them, exhaust from vehicles and stuff. Especially

1646
02:21:01,810 --> 02:21:11,270
we know how busy Victoria Street can get. And finally, there are in the lace buffer and if we

1647
02:21:11,270 --> 02:21:21,230
We want in the future to upgrade and improve the old young kids buried property if I'm on

1648
02:21:21,230 --> 02:21:21,830
the other side.

1649
02:21:21,990 --> 02:21:28,830
I want to hear any noise from all the cars, trucks and other activities and I don't think

1650
02:21:28,830 --> 02:21:34,750
the city has 50 or 75 years to grow that stuff back.

1651
02:21:43,140 --> 02:21:43,740
Okay.

1652
02:21:43,740 --> 02:21:47,000
That's just coming up a quick question for you.

1653
02:21:47,420 --> 02:21:50,900
If someone is reporting a situation or a builder,

1654
02:21:51,180 --> 02:21:54,600
do they have to identify by name?

1655
02:21:55,400 --> 02:21:57,600
To the police department, you mean?

1656
02:21:58,240 --> 02:21:58,260
Or...

1657
02:21:58,260 --> 02:22:02,720
If someone is complaining about a pile of couches and whatnot?

1658
02:22:03,500 --> 02:22:07,620
No, they do take anonymous complaints in the fourth floor for...

1659
02:22:07,620 --> 02:22:08,920
No, this is okay.

1660
02:22:09,360 --> 02:22:09,800
They do.

1661
02:22:10,020 --> 02:22:10,200
Yes.

1662
02:22:11,620 --> 02:22:12,600
I'll look more quick.

1663
02:22:12,600 --> 02:22:19,920
Just also on the C-click effects, you can be anonymous, you can give your name or you can be anonymous.

1664
02:22:20,620 --> 02:22:21,500
Thank you.

1665
02:22:21,760 --> 02:22:23,700
But you don't get the updates if you are anonymous.

1666
02:22:25,560 --> 02:22:26,620
The couch is gone.

1667
02:22:27,840 --> 02:22:28,440
Thank you, Chief.

1668
02:22:28,660 --> 02:22:28,820
Good evening.

1669
02:22:28,820 --> 02:22:29,180
All right.

1670
02:22:29,280 --> 02:22:30,680
Steve Stewart, please, Chief.

1671
02:22:31,540 --> 02:22:34,680
I just wanted to talk about a couple items that were raised out of the last meeting.

1672
02:22:35,460 --> 02:22:37,560
The first of which was an idea.

1673
02:22:38,360 --> 02:22:46,100
sort of create an auxiliary police force out of, you know, what are currently unspent funds for us.

1674
02:22:46,520 --> 02:22:52,540
And that's an idea that makes sense on its face until you consider we're always looking

1675
02:22:52,540 --> 02:22:57,640
for ways to pair duties away from sworn officers that, you know, some more minor things that

1676
02:22:57,640 --> 02:23:03,920
wouldn't require that. And that's really occurred throughout the evolution of the police department.

1677
02:23:03,920 --> 02:23:05,900
And the police department was first put in place.

1678
02:23:06,140 --> 02:23:07,700
It was just really police officers.

1679
02:23:08,720 --> 02:23:10,480
And it wasn't even until.

1680
02:23:11,020 --> 02:23:13,940
And then people started adding a administrative support.

1681
02:23:14,360 --> 02:23:16,680
And it went well into the 80s and nearly

1682
02:23:16,680 --> 02:23:18,000
into the 90s.

1683
02:23:18,220 --> 02:23:20,500
The department was using officers to dispatch.

1684
02:23:20,680 --> 02:23:23,080
And now we have civilian dispatchers.

1685
02:23:23,280 --> 02:23:24,300
We have more support staff.

1686
02:23:24,440 --> 02:23:27,740
We have community service officers, animal control officers.

1687
02:23:28,680 --> 02:23:30,420
That's sort of a thing that the police social worker

1688
02:23:30,420 --> 02:23:33,820
position as another great example of that.

1689
02:23:34,560 --> 02:23:42,660
So when we look at the duties that are really left, that could be sort of farmed out to a non-spawn person, there's not really a lot of those left.

1690
02:23:43,380 --> 02:23:57,140
One area we have been able to take advantage of is using some of our retired officers as auxiliary officers, retired and so right now we have three officers who are auxiliary officers on a contract basis.

1691
02:23:57,140 --> 02:24:02,840
One of which is retired from us, and the other two left police work to move into a different field,

1692
02:24:03,680 --> 02:24:05,960
but they still help us out pretty significantly.

1693
02:24:07,060 --> 02:24:13,140
So that's kind of where I wanted to go in regards to the auxiliary function.

1694
02:24:14,160 --> 02:24:20,640
We're kind of already there and sort of maxed out with duties that could be delegated to someone else.

1695
02:24:22,000 --> 02:24:31,120
With regard to an increase in crime on the east side or increase in undesirable activity,

1696
02:24:32,720 --> 02:24:37,700
which was brought up to the last meeting, and I ran a report, and then I did was born

1697
02:24:37,700 --> 02:24:45,240
out of a request from 100-night staff and board members for sort of statistics involving the area.

1698
02:24:46,040 --> 02:24:52,000
It's not an easy thing to do, to pinpoint what activity

1699
02:24:52,000 --> 02:24:55,320
100 nights is contributed to and what they haven't.

1700
02:24:55,480 --> 02:24:57,020
We can use 100 nights as a site.

1701
02:24:57,880 --> 02:25:02,400
And all of this information just gets funneled into our dispatch system and then classified

1702
02:25:02,400 --> 02:25:03,040
that way.

1703
02:25:03,360 --> 02:25:09,880
So it's not 100% accurate, there's very many variables involved in all of it.

1704
02:25:09,880 --> 02:25:39,860
So, they had a desire for more information, I ran a report using a set of factors and what I ran a few different ones, but the one that's probably the most telling is a September 1st this year to November 2nd this year compared to that same time frame last year and I ran it for the Northeast Quadra

1705
02:25:39,860 --> 02:25:46,120
of the city, essentially. So we break the city down into four zones. So the northeast would

1706
02:25:46,120 --> 02:25:53,540
be water street, essentially, in Main Street, north, and then south, and then over on the

1707
02:25:53,540 --> 02:25:58,960
other side, central square, west street, north would be north, west, and then south of that

1708
02:25:58,960 --> 02:26:06,440
south west. So I ran that water street, east of Main Street all the way up until the timeline.

1709
02:26:07,400 --> 02:26:11,540
And there was a pretty significant increase in calls for service during that time.

1710
02:26:11,640 --> 02:26:22,440
We went from probably, it increased by about 300 from 487 to 787 or something in that time in that ballpark.

1711
02:26:25,040 --> 02:26:25,560
So,

1712
02:26:28,000 --> 02:26:33,160
it's not completely apples to apples and I would encourage us to try to stay out of the minutiae of it.

1713
02:26:33,160 --> 02:26:34,880
This is kind of 30,000 feet data.

1714
02:26:35,220 --> 02:26:39,760
It doesn't tell us everything that we need to know, and it's not necessarily a big of anything.

1715
02:26:40,220 --> 02:26:44,160
But it does show an increase in activity in that sort of area.

1716
02:26:47,810 --> 02:26:51,770
You'd have to dig into a lot deeper, but I wouldn't say you're in tell you that I don't

1717
02:26:51,770 --> 02:26:58,470
believe that the relocation of 100 nights from the south west side of the city to the northeast

1718
02:26:58,470 --> 02:27:01,730
side of the city didn't play a factor in that I think it did.

1719
02:27:01,730 --> 02:27:08,910
But some of the increases also are efforts in that area, by us voting more patrols and

1720
02:27:08,910 --> 02:27:13,970
more attention to that activity, that area, that those drive up the numbers as well.

1721
02:27:14,710 --> 02:27:15,270
Good.

1722
02:27:15,950 --> 02:27:16,510
Questions?

1723
02:27:17,050 --> 02:27:17,110
Committee?

1724
02:27:19,660 --> 02:27:22,560
That's the report that law of hand gave you earlier.

1725
02:27:22,780 --> 02:27:23,720
Come forward, please.

1726
02:27:28,160 --> 02:27:30,000
Thank you, Martin 275, Water Street.

1727
02:27:30,140 --> 02:27:36,020
That's the report that he's referring to is the report that Rob Ham gaved you at the beginning of the committee.

1728
02:27:36,020 --> 02:27:38,020
You have it right in front of you.

1729
02:27:38,620 --> 02:27:39,240
Thank you.

1730
02:27:39,960 --> 02:27:40,080
Thank you.

1731
02:27:43,580 --> 02:27:43,740
What?

1732
02:27:45,560 --> 02:27:47,140
Any other questions for the Chief?

1733
02:27:49,040 --> 02:27:49,540
Thank you.

1734
02:27:51,430 --> 02:27:51,930
I hope.

1735
02:27:55,830 --> 02:27:56,030
Okay.

1736
02:27:57,790 --> 02:27:57,970
Hello.

1737
02:28:00,750 --> 02:28:05,090
I'm Beth Daniel CEO of Southwestern Community Services.

1738
02:28:05,130 --> 02:28:07,470
I'm also a resident of the City of King.

1739
02:28:08,430 --> 02:28:13,870
I'm here just to talk a little bit more about some of the things that Elizabeth had brought up.

1740
02:28:14,610 --> 02:28:20,150
I'm kind of gesturing back to my friends in the back of the room over there, that's the Serenity Center.

1741
02:28:20,970 --> 02:28:33,470
Because I do reference them quite a bit just to kind of illustrate how important it is that the various agencies that are kind of tasked with taking some action around all of this.

1742
02:28:33,470 --> 02:28:39,950
have an opportunity to come together and talk as a team and as a group and the Serenity Center

1743
02:28:39,950 --> 02:28:45,390
has been amazing through that process. In addition to the needle cleanup and the other work

1744
02:28:45,390 --> 02:28:52,750
that they're willing to do, some of us on community services does host the greater keen homeless

1745
02:28:52,750 --> 02:28:59,570
coalition meetings. And I think over time between staffing changes at various organizations,

1746
02:29:00,190 --> 02:29:06,610
covids, some other things, and I think, speaking of Toronto D-Center, some of the feedback

1747
02:29:06,610 --> 02:29:11,130
that I received from them are early on, is the meetings had over the years, almost turned

1748
02:29:11,130 --> 02:29:16,470
more into kind of a partner update group, which really didn't speak to a coalition, which is

1749
02:29:16,470 --> 02:29:21,410
supposed to be kind of solution-focused, kind of have some projects in front of them, something

1750
02:29:21,410 --> 02:29:26,890
tangible that they can work toward that actually has an impact at the end of the day. So so that

1751
02:29:26,890 --> 02:29:30,330
really is the work that the group is trying to do now.

1752
02:29:30,610 --> 02:29:33,030
We've kind of done a little bit of a pivot to say,

1753
02:29:33,350 --> 02:29:35,110
okay, what could we do?

1754
02:29:35,130 --> 02:29:35,950
What should we do?

1755
02:29:36,010 --> 02:29:39,110
There's folks that usually attend from keen housing,

1756
02:29:39,650 --> 02:29:40,610
against Renedy Center,

1757
02:29:40,730 --> 02:29:41,090
and whatnot.

1758
02:29:41,210 --> 02:29:43,830
Pure support, SES, all kinds of different agencies.

1759
02:29:44,470 --> 02:29:46,570
So some of the things that have come out of that

1760
02:29:46,570 --> 02:29:49,830
has been kind of a focus on where on this spectrum

1761
02:29:49,830 --> 02:29:53,170
or people falling in that area of housing and homelessness.

1762
02:29:53,450 --> 02:29:55,850
You have your folks who really will

1763
02:29:55,850 --> 02:29:59,970
refuse to come in for, for coldness, whether you have

1764
02:30:00,000 --> 02:30:07,140
Folks who will refuse to come in until the coldest weather. You have someone who may wish to reside in their vehicles,

1765
02:30:07,340 --> 02:30:13,820
whether because the shelters are full and they have no choice or if they happen to have a pet, they have a vehicle, that sort of thing.

1766
02:30:14,480 --> 02:30:20,560
And then you have folks who would absolutely go to a shelter if there was a bed available in the coldest, the coldest days.

1767
02:30:21,040 --> 02:30:29,480
So trying to kind of look at all the different scenarios on that kind of front end of the, what we consider to be the highest risk end of the spectrum.

1768
02:30:29,480 --> 02:30:40,780
We address all kinds of things with folks who might be experiencing housing insecurity, you know, whether that's back to rent or they need, you know, access to housing applications, that sort of thing.

1769
02:30:41,020 --> 02:30:52,640
But when we're talking about really this acute need, which oftentimes is what neighborhood members are seeing when they're kind of out and about and they're kind of concerned, like, you know, is this individual occasion.

1770
02:30:52,640 --> 02:30:57,820
should I be worried? Do I have to worry about my own safety? When we're talking about individuals

1771
02:30:57,820 --> 02:31:04,740
who are experiencing that level of need, there's a different approach. I wouldn't necessarily

1772
02:31:04,740 --> 02:31:09,340
call them solutions and call them responses, but I think we're doing our best to see what

1773
02:31:09,340 --> 02:31:13,820
we can put in place. So one of the things we are putting into place, and Serenity Center,

1774
02:31:13,960 --> 02:31:19,360
and that not peer support, MFS, and that not family services, self-wester and community

1775
02:31:19,360 --> 02:31:25,520
services. What we're trying to do is put together a multi agency outreach team that has the ability

1776
02:31:25,520 --> 02:31:31,500
to each one of them to play to their own strengths. If there's something that has to do with substance use,

1777
02:31:31,660 --> 02:31:38,060
I'm probably going to defer to the Serenity Center. If it has to do with getting on that housing prioritization list,

1778
02:31:38,120 --> 02:31:43,020
to get into some of our many apartments or some of the key housing locations,

1779
02:31:43,020 --> 02:31:47,940
You know, it's going to be maybe something more that that world take on a self-western.

1780
02:31:48,360 --> 02:31:52,240
If it's a matter of supplies, are we maximizing what we're all purchasing?

1781
02:31:52,700 --> 02:31:55,560
Are we crossing inventories, are those sorts of things?

1782
02:31:56,360 --> 02:32:03,920
Part of it is people become more and more concerned when they see others in a state of acute vulnerability

1783
02:32:03,920 --> 02:32:09,840
to the point where that individual might make some choices that they feel is going to impact them negatively.

1784
02:32:09,840 --> 02:32:18,800
So, if we can reduce that a little bit, and we can kind of at least present options to individuals who are in kind of a desperate situation,

1785
02:32:19,720 --> 02:32:26,800
I think that that will have an effect over the many neighborhoods that we all live in and work within over time.

1786
02:32:26,840 --> 02:32:29,380
So, that's one major effort that we're making.

1787
02:32:29,820 --> 02:32:32,400
The overflow spaces are going to be necessary.

1788
02:32:32,400 --> 02:32:51,400
I know that's hard to believe between the shelters that SCS runs, the temporary shelters that we started at the beginning of COVID, and we haven't closed since, and then with hundred nights opening up there space. I know it's it's probably hard to believe, but we will need overflow space, especially in the coldest months of the year.

1789
02:32:51,400 --> 02:32:54,100
Elizabeth, the city, everyone's been working really hard

1790
02:32:54,100 --> 02:32:56,900
to try to have some conversations with a couple of the churches

1791
02:32:57,720 --> 02:33:01,300
and some agencies around that may have some space available

1792
02:33:01,820 --> 02:33:03,800
in between some of the cold weather funding

1793
02:33:03,800 --> 02:33:06,440
that we have, some of the work the city is doing,

1794
02:33:06,900 --> 02:33:09,980
we're hoping to be able to not create a monstrosity

1795
02:33:09,980 --> 02:33:12,280
in one spot where there's just tons of people,

1796
02:33:12,700 --> 02:33:15,640
but to quietly have other safe places to put people

1797
02:33:15,640 --> 02:33:17,480
on the coldest nights of the year.

1798
02:33:18,920 --> 02:33:25,200
SCS is securing hotel spaces, additional hotel spaces, and we are definitely going to be

1799
02:33:25,700 --> 02:33:30,720
putting out the updated volunteer training program for those who do want to engage.

1800
02:33:30,900 --> 02:33:34,680
They want to be part of the solution, but aren't really quite sure how to go about it

1801
02:33:34,680 --> 02:33:38,040
or what kind of tools they might need in their tool belts to be able to do that.

1802
02:33:38,820 --> 02:33:44,680
And then we also have the Safe Parking Program in place where hoping that people will maximize

1803
02:33:44,680 --> 02:33:53,180
that this winter as well. So it's a multi it's we're approaching it from a couple of different

1804
02:33:53,180 --> 02:33:58,760
angles and right now our focus in terms of new programming because of course we do housing

1805
02:33:58,760 --> 02:34:04,960
and shelters and all kinds of things but we're trying to focus on the most acute area of this

1806
02:34:04,960 --> 02:34:11,060
spectrum first while recognizing and acknowledging that much of what we're doing is a response rather

1807
02:34:11,060 --> 02:34:11,900
than a solution.

1808
02:34:12,620 --> 02:34:14,540
Some of this has to do with the human condition,

1809
02:34:14,600 --> 02:34:16,020
which is complicated,

1810
02:34:16,760 --> 02:34:19,100
and we can't necessarily solve all of those issues,

1811
02:34:19,760 --> 02:34:22,980
but I think with an open dialogue,

1812
02:34:22,980 --> 02:34:24,660
meeting weekly with the city,

1813
02:34:24,960 --> 02:34:27,160
Serenity Center, and us all meeting weekly,

1814
02:34:28,220 --> 02:34:32,500
we're getting to real tangible solutions and outcomes,

1815
02:34:33,380 --> 02:34:35,800
rather than kind of talking endlessly about the causes.

1816
02:34:36,240 --> 02:34:38,160
I know that there's place for that,

1817
02:34:38,200 --> 02:34:40,220
for advocacy and for prevention

1818
02:34:40,220 --> 02:34:45,180
and all those things, but for right now I think the neighborhoods have talked about some acute

1819
02:34:45,180 --> 02:34:51,220
concerns and we need to come up with some really specific tangible solutions and I think

1820
02:34:51,220 --> 02:34:56,260
we're trying to do that and I'm saying that sincerely is kind of someone out in the field

1821
02:34:56,260 --> 02:35:02,700
who's doing it every day and not just as a way to kind of appease anybody.

1822
02:35:07,180 --> 02:35:10,200
It's a it's a it's a

1823
02:35:10,200 --> 02:35:15,840
following up and kind of holding us to task and it's kept us on track. So thank you.

1824
02:35:17,340 --> 02:35:27,060
Thank you. Questions? First, I have two things going for the same manager. I just

1825
02:35:27,060 --> 02:35:35,520
got done spending two weeks in Japan. And so when I look at the quality of life that the people

1826
02:35:35,520 --> 02:35:43,600
had with small living spaces. Really nice states a lot of us have houses that are really

1827
02:35:43,600 --> 02:35:50,640
way too big and I think going towards this small houses would solve a lot of problems

1828
02:35:50,640 --> 02:35:59,160
and make them affordable. The second part in Europe, Barry Wick, it's a gap in the morning

1829
02:35:59,160 --> 02:36:08,440
walk. I saw about 10 homeless people in Tokyo and every single one of the homeless people were elderly

1830
02:36:08,440 --> 02:36:16,500
people. They could no longer afford to living our homes in their homes. Right now we've been

1831
02:36:16,500 --> 02:36:25,240
doing pretty good with subsidized housing and elderly housing and when you look at the demographics,

1832
02:36:25,240 --> 02:36:34,080
the number of elderly women in 1665 and older and looking at what they get from Social

1833
02:36:34,080 --> 02:36:43,580
Security, it's an old grain, a lot of just can't afford to live even in a one-on-of-a-fot

1834
02:36:43,580 --> 02:36:54,120
place. And so we have to have elderly homeless people. We never seem to talk about them

1835
02:36:54,120 --> 02:36:57,600
because we may be looking someone is down and out,

1836
02:36:57,700 --> 02:37:00,900
or someone has an addiction, we have to have

1837
02:37:00,900 --> 02:37:05,760
elderly that they just can't afford it,

1838
02:37:05,760 --> 02:37:11,660
and they just may be too embarrassed to say anything.

1839
02:37:12,480 --> 02:37:16,480
I don't want elderly people left out in the cold,

1840
02:37:16,920 --> 02:37:22,880
and do we have a plan to, or people, we'd love to check

1841
02:37:22,880 --> 02:37:29,220
and for the elderly that are at risk of losing their place to live?

1842
02:37:29,900 --> 02:37:37,440
Yes, I think self-western is a big supporter of senior housing, family housing, and the development

1843
02:37:37,440 --> 02:37:41,900
of additional additional housing, and we definitely have our friends over at King Housing

1844
02:37:41,900 --> 02:37:46,340
to thank for not only all of the development that they've done, but the future development

1845
02:37:46,340 --> 02:37:52,860
they plan on doing, because oftentimes, whether it's King Housing or Southwestern or some of

1846
02:37:52,860 --> 02:38:00,080
partners, there's subsidized rental units, but then there's also affordable housing rental units

1847
02:38:00,080 --> 02:38:06,000
and oftentimes those of us who offer whether it's due tax credits or any way that we've

1848
02:38:06,000 --> 02:38:10,520
been able to do those properties, oftentimes what we're able to do is provide the housing

1849
02:38:10,520 --> 02:38:15,600
below fair market rent, just so that it can at least be possible for somebody.

1850
02:38:15,980 --> 02:38:22,840
But to answer your question, we're actually seeing if I were to randomly pull one of our shelves

1851
02:38:22,840 --> 02:38:26,300
them managers out of the hallway and they were not hearing any part of this conversation

1852
02:38:26,300 --> 02:38:31,880
and I said, what is your biggest challenge right now in the shelters other than substance

1853
02:38:31,880 --> 02:38:38,020
use? She would probably say to me that it sometimes feels as though it's functioning as a nursing

1854
02:38:38,020 --> 02:38:45,360
home. Yeah, that's probably the biggest issue they're dealing with right now. Yeah, because

1855
02:38:45,360 --> 02:38:54,420
I spent four months in the nursing home and I've done my best to make sure I never go back there again.

1856
02:38:55,380 --> 02:39:00,360
And we still have some elderly people who feel if they go in the nursing home,

1857
02:39:00,420 --> 02:39:04,620
their life is older and not coming out unless they're on a stretch.

1858
02:39:05,540 --> 02:39:10,080
And we don't want that. That's not a quality of life that we don't want.

1859
02:39:10,080 --> 02:39:13,520
our retirees to be faced with.

1860
02:39:13,820 --> 02:39:16,880
Just good, anything?

1861
02:39:17,960 --> 02:39:18,820
Thank you.

1862
02:39:18,880 --> 02:39:19,700
Thank you.

1863
02:39:20,240 --> 02:39:22,140
You have anyone else in your presentation?

1864
02:39:24,410 --> 02:39:24,630
OK.

1865
02:39:25,590 --> 02:39:27,650
This is a public discussion.

1866
02:39:28,810 --> 02:39:31,910
So therefore, I see a whole lot of folks there that

1867
02:39:31,910 --> 02:39:33,090
probably want to speak.

1868
02:39:34,070 --> 02:39:36,510
Vicki, would you like to come forward?

1869
02:39:36,510 --> 02:39:39,150
It's a man-to-fine, and I ask you,

1870
02:39:42,660 --> 02:39:44,660
somebody behind me.

1871
02:39:45,160 --> 02:39:47,080
Thank you, Morton, 275 Water Street.

1872
02:39:47,620 --> 02:39:50,540
I want to thank everyone who did an update on both the update

1873
02:39:50,540 --> 02:39:51,800
and the work that they've been doing.

1874
02:39:51,920 --> 02:39:54,740
I think it's really impressive, and I'm very thankful for it.

1875
02:39:56,400 --> 02:39:58,880
What I want to share this evening goes right hand in hand

1876
02:39:58,880 --> 02:40:02,580
with your agenda for the December 12th MSI.

1877
02:40:03,100 --> 02:40:04,460
So here we go.

1878
02:40:06,200 --> 02:40:08,580
The broken window theory states that visible signs

1879
02:40:08,580 --> 02:40:13,620
of crime, anti-social behavior, and civil disorder, creating an environment that encourages further

1880
02:40:13,620 --> 02:40:14,500
crime and disorder.

1881
02:40:15,220 --> 02:40:19,320
The principal was developed to explain decay in neighborhoods, repairing a window as soon

1882
02:40:19,320 --> 02:40:23,600
as possible, reduces the risk that others would be broken, picking up trash, leads to

1883
02:40:23,600 --> 02:40:24,480
less littering.

1884
02:40:24,920 --> 02:40:29,400
In keen, the enforcement of the city's building fire and zone codes would lead to less

1885
02:40:29,400 --> 02:40:30,500
future infractions.

1886
02:40:31,080 --> 02:40:36,760
Recently, we have heard from that religious of prospective buyers, you don't want to live on

1887
02:40:36,760 --> 02:40:45,440
Cicine and a counselor, former counselor, called the residences on the Cicine inferior housing stock in the public.

1888
02:40:46,660 --> 02:41:02,860
We, members here, have invested in our properties, our neighborhood and our city, and now we look to the city for code enforcement action to both protect that investment and to enhance it and ultimately to resolve the broken window concept in our neighborhood and our city.

1889
02:41:03,800 --> 02:41:08,000
Construction contractor stood in our driveway, stating he was interested in the property next

1890
02:41:08,000 --> 02:41:12,060
to us that was going up for auction, but he was concerned that he wouldn't get his investment

1891
02:41:12,060 --> 02:41:16,020
back because of the neighbor's house that had Tyvech blowing in the wind, that Tyvech

1892
02:41:16,020 --> 02:41:18,180
had been blowing in the wind for years.

1893
02:41:20,630 --> 02:41:24,530
It took the city code enforcement 20 months of

1894
02:41:24,530 --> 02:41:31,610
carat dangling, enticing and controlling to have that neighbor reinstall the sighting on

1895
02:41:31,610 --> 02:41:40,390
on the House. Before I go any further, I need to address this, as you noted, it's a reactive

1896
02:41:40,390 --> 02:41:47,770
response out of code enforcement. What then happened was the, a member of code enforcement

1897
02:41:47,770 --> 02:41:53,870
informed that property owner that I was the one that had called enforcement and asked them

1898
02:41:53,870 --> 02:42:00,670
to have the sliding put back on the House, that neighbor then appeared on my doorstep for threatening

1899
02:42:00,670 --> 02:42:08,150
me, which led to personnel from law enforcement to come and have a conversation and to inform

1900
02:42:08,150 --> 02:42:13,670
this gentleman that he was now my guardian angel because if anything happened to Vicki

1901
02:42:13,670 --> 02:42:18,750
Morton, it was their doorstep that they were going to go first.

1902
02:42:20,230 --> 02:42:26,390
It took five, so rather than having a proactive code enforcement when you have a reactive

1903
02:42:26,390 --> 02:42:31,870
of things like that happen. People threaten neighbors, threatened neighbors. It took five

1904
02:42:31,870 --> 02:42:36,670
months to have a 53-foot storage unit removed and still an unregistered vehicle continues

1905
02:42:36,670 --> 02:42:41,510
to reappear at another property. I did not think that unregistered vehicles were allowed

1906
02:42:41,510 --> 02:42:49,330
in any zone, except in auto-business, auto-related businesses. Overflowing dumpsters attract

1907
02:42:49,330 --> 02:42:54,270
rats, mice, and raccoons, and even the bear while also allowing that trash to be blown

1908
02:42:54,270 --> 02:42:57,730
around the neighborhood and on to our neighbors' properties.

1909
02:42:58,850 --> 02:43:03,770
When I shared that with code enforcement that I believe that a trailer was not registered

1910
02:43:03,770 --> 02:43:09,430
as it has a plane on it but no yearly tag, the code enforcement worker looked me right

1911
02:43:09,430 --> 02:43:11,790
straight in the eye and said, well I don't know that it isn't.

1912
02:43:14,030 --> 02:43:20,830
However, if that city employee had actually gone out and checked that trailer, that city employee

1913
02:43:20,830 --> 02:43:24,710
would know whether or not it was in compliance or not.

1914
02:43:24,710 --> 02:43:40,520
Imagine how much more code personnel could achieve and how much more the code personnel could achieve and would have time to achieve.

1915
02:43:40,520 --> 02:43:46,340
If the sight and grievance had been remedied in two to three months, and the trailer in a couple of months,

1916
02:43:46,740 --> 02:43:51,120
when I asked, I was told that code enforcement does not have the power to make it happen.

1917
02:43:51,880 --> 02:43:57,020
I was also informed that even if code enforcement personnel passed violations every single day,

1918
02:43:57,260 --> 02:44:01,120
they would not take actions unless a complaint was filed, the reactionary.

1919
02:44:02,380 --> 02:44:05,480
That creates a total tail environment and that's not acceptable.

1920
02:44:06,420 --> 02:44:12,380
that's not our job to tattle on our neighbors and then get threatened. It's time to remove

1921
02:44:12,380 --> 02:44:17,020
unregistered vehicles, empty overflowing dumpsters, and require broken windows to be replaced,

1922
02:44:17,340 --> 02:44:22,280
as well as replacing rotting and missing sighting. It's time for the city to protect our investment

1923
02:44:22,280 --> 02:44:28,960
by seeking out the violations and remaining violations. If our codes do not provide the city personnel

1924
02:44:28,960 --> 02:44:33,880
of the power and authority to enforce those codes and please, please, please, rewrite the codes.

1925
02:44:35,740 --> 02:44:40,620
If the coding force and staff lack the skills to perform the jobs, then please provide them

1926
02:44:40,620 --> 02:44:43,140
the opportunities to gain those skills.

1927
02:44:43,920 --> 02:44:50,200
And if the matter is just not doing the job, then please provide them other career choices.

1928
02:44:53,200 --> 02:44:56,420
Living in a city is a two-way street, two-way experience.

1929
02:44:56,420 --> 02:44:59,800
We pay taxes, we hope that you would...

1930
02:45:00,000 --> 02:45:02,020
Check our investment in the same city.

1931
02:45:04,840 --> 02:45:10,660
And I will be at the December 12 meeting when we have a conversation about code. Thank you very much.

1932
02:45:12,780 --> 02:45:16,780
Thank you. And you can see the city manager taking notes.

1933
02:45:17,820 --> 02:45:19,360
I'm going to stop one of these days.

1934
02:45:20,760 --> 02:45:22,820
No, no, no. What are you ready for city council?

1935
02:45:25,480 --> 02:45:26,860
Yes, but you want to speak.

1936
02:45:26,860 --> 02:45:33,940
Just to say, you know, thank you for reporting that Tyveck issue, that's been frustrating for everyone on the east side.

1937
02:45:34,420 --> 02:45:36,040
It's not the only Tyveck issue around.

1938
02:45:37,400 --> 02:45:45,940
I would like to see maybe some specific ordinance about how long Tyveck is allowed to last on a building before something else happens.

1939
02:45:46,420 --> 02:45:47,040
Thank you.

1940
02:45:47,200 --> 02:45:47,920
Beaver Street.

1941
02:45:50,110 --> 02:45:53,630
I got the same answer when I called, so don't feel alone.

1942
02:45:55,050 --> 02:45:57,450
Anyone else like to, yes, please come forward.

1943
02:46:02,810 --> 02:46:06,670
Thank you Mr. Chairman and Josh Me in 65 Langley Road.

1944
02:46:08,170 --> 02:46:12,030
This is going to sound like I'm complaining, so I just want to contextualize and say,

1945
02:46:12,230 --> 02:46:18,290
I'm not complaining, this is giving an example of the issue we've been talking about this evening,

1946
02:46:18,730 --> 02:46:24,390
concerning homelessness in the town, in the city, and particularly in this instance,

1947
02:46:25,410 --> 02:46:31,550
the effect that the encampments are having on the neighborhoods in which they are either in or in

1948
02:46:33,290 --> 02:46:48,710
So, I'm the director, Executive Director of Keen Housing, and I'm really speaking tonight on behalf of the 112 households that live at Harbor Acres Apartments on Castle and Ashwilet Streets, as well as the property management and main and staff who work there.

1949
02:46:49,070 --> 02:46:53,010
As many of you know, Harbor Acres is our largest elderly disabled property.

1950
02:46:53,930 --> 02:47:00,510
And again, the point of this is to illustrate how important it is for the collaborations

1951
02:47:00,510 --> 02:47:04,450
in the city's efforts that we're hearing about tonight, continue to move forward and

1952
02:47:04,450 --> 02:47:06,510
have the attention of Council.

1953
02:47:07,690 --> 02:47:11,770
As many of you know, King Housing is actively engaged in strategies to end homelessness

1954
02:47:11,770 --> 02:47:12,630
in King.

1955
02:47:13,250 --> 02:47:20,010
We provide financial assistance to the domestic violence shelter in town, as well as SES's

1956
02:47:20,010 --> 02:47:25,090
shelters, and in collaboration with the school district, we have our homes for school program,

1957
02:47:25,270 --> 02:47:30,010
which many of you may have been reading about in the paper recently through that program

1958
02:47:30,010 --> 02:47:34,750
or housing unhoused children and their families at Simons and Frequent Schools.

1959
02:47:36,070 --> 02:47:41,790
And as Beth mentioned, if it's funded, each of the two phases of the Roosevelt School

1960
02:47:41,790 --> 02:47:47,450
Project will include five permanently supportive housing units for unhoused families.

1961
02:47:47,450 --> 02:47:51,130
so that would be an additional 10 units, specifically set aside

1962
02:47:51,130 --> 02:47:52,090
for our house families.

1963
02:47:53,030 --> 02:47:54,630
But I'm in this weird spot tonight,

1964
02:47:54,710 --> 02:47:57,430
where I ordinarily am like the housing advocate,

1965
02:47:57,770 --> 02:48:01,210
and I am that, but I'm also a property manager

1966
02:48:01,210 --> 02:48:04,230
and an employer, and I just kind of wanted

1967
02:48:04,230 --> 02:48:06,270
to share with you all some of the experiences

1968
02:48:06,270 --> 02:48:10,450
that our residents and our staff have had this past summer

1969
02:48:10,450 --> 02:48:13,750
concerning the encampment that was,

1970
02:48:13,750 --> 02:48:16,390
that actually was already mentioned earlier,

1971
02:48:17,030 --> 02:48:18,390
over by Ash Wheelet.

1972
02:48:19,910 --> 02:48:26,110
I'd say around the early summer, we started to have a real preponderance of unauthorized

1973
02:48:26,110 --> 02:48:29,450
entries into the mill buildings, and those of you who have been around long enough, remember

1974
02:48:29,450 --> 02:48:33,950
that those mill buildings actually were taken from one part of town and placed at the end

1975
02:48:33,950 --> 02:48:36,290
of Cassel Street, many of them before I was here.

1976
02:48:37,050 --> 02:48:41,310
But they're beautiful buildings, and because of the fire at one of five Cassel Street,

1977
02:48:41,310 --> 02:48:50,430
They're also the only laundry facility and community room and community kitchen for all of that property for all 112 units there.

1978
02:48:51,230 --> 02:49:06,550
In the summertime, when we started having folks from the encampment coming in, finding their way into the mill buildings and starting to use them to cook and presumably to do laundry, but also to sleep and to use the bathrooms.

1979
02:49:06,550 --> 02:49:11,150
And they've sustained a great deal of damage over that time.

1980
02:49:12,130 --> 02:49:18,550
We've also discovered drug paraphernalia in the building and KPD has been kind enough to come and remove it.

1981
02:49:19,890 --> 02:49:24,010
And we've also had some instances of people in the encampment.

1982
02:49:24,290 --> 02:49:27,670
And I don't want to give the impression that it's the majority of people.

1983
02:49:27,810 --> 02:49:32,690
It's a handful of people we think who have threatened our residents,

1984
02:49:32,690 --> 02:49:35,670
right in our staff to the point where we can

1985
02:49:35,670 --> 02:49:38,490
consider point staff out of the development entirely for a while

1986
02:49:38,490 --> 02:49:41,950
because they didn't feel safe, but they made the choice to stay

1987
02:49:41,950 --> 02:49:44,670
because they didn't feel like if the residents had to be there,

1988
02:49:44,750 --> 02:49:47,590
they had to be there too and that was the choice that we made

1989
02:49:47,590 --> 02:49:50,130
and we supported them.

1990
02:49:50,250 --> 02:49:53,370
KPD has been really good about coordinating with our staff to issue

1991
02:49:53,370 --> 02:49:58,190
no trespass orders to the folks that were problematic.

1992
02:49:59,930 --> 02:50:04,070
And for our part, we pursued leasing forcement very aggressively.

1993
02:50:04,350 --> 02:50:09,730
We did have a few residents who were contributing to the problem by allowing folks into

1994
02:50:09,730 --> 02:50:12,530
harbour acres, buildings, with whom they had relationships.

1995
02:50:13,790 --> 02:50:19,570
We've ordered security cameras for the back side of the building, but there's still a huge

1996
02:50:19,570 --> 02:50:22,790
weight for things that have circuit boards in them in the surprise surprise.

1997
02:50:23,230 --> 02:50:27,030
So our security cameras are going to be a little while before we get those in there.

1998
02:50:27,030 --> 02:50:30,250
and we are installing in a alarm system as well.

1999
02:50:31,690 --> 02:50:34,310
So I'm not trying to sort of pile on or suggest

2000
02:50:34,310 --> 02:50:36,190
that the efforts at the city are undertaking

2001
02:50:36,190 --> 02:50:39,330
in our colleagues at SCS and the rest of the service providers

2002
02:50:39,330 --> 02:50:41,810
in town, and we're one of them,

2003
02:50:42,030 --> 02:50:45,950
isn't effective and isn't heading in the right direction,

2004
02:50:47,490 --> 02:50:50,530
but I just want to make sure that you will have a sense

2005
02:50:50,530 --> 02:50:52,330
as to like, and I know I'm not the only person

2006
02:50:52,330 --> 02:50:53,570
who's come here and talk about this,

2007
02:50:53,790 --> 02:50:56,110
but a sense of what this is looking like on the ground.

2008
02:50:56,110 --> 02:51:02,830
You know, and we have harbour acres, there are most vulnerable residents, there are elderly and disabled residents,

2009
02:51:03,390 --> 02:51:09,870
people with developmental disabilities, and for them not to feel safe in their own homes,

2010
02:51:10,590 --> 02:51:16,210
is a real problem for us, and for our staff to not feel necessarily safe.

2011
02:51:16,270 --> 02:51:18,010
That work is also a problem.

2012
02:51:19,110 --> 02:51:46,610
So, we are very thankful to the city and all of our partners for the work and the focus on this issue but I just want to take this opportunity again to illustrate to you all what it looks like on the ground and to encourage you to keep on with these efforts and also of course to make sure that you all know and I know that Elizabeth does and I know that Beth is too that keen housing is here to be part of the solutions as well so thank you very much.

2013
02:51:46,610 --> 02:51:48,270
Long three minutes, but that's cool.

2014
02:51:48,270 --> 02:51:50,590
Sorry, sorry, thank you.

2015
02:51:50,730 --> 02:51:50,790
Thank you.

2016
02:51:51,250 --> 02:51:52,650
She's on her plane now.

2017
02:51:55,310 --> 02:52:00,090
Anyone else like to address the committee and address city staff?

2018
02:52:05,700 --> 02:52:06,140
Who's up?

2019
02:52:06,480 --> 02:52:06,820
OK, question.

2020
02:52:08,520 --> 02:52:09,500
And then, Laura, you next.

2021
02:52:11,540 --> 02:52:12,400
Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

2022
02:52:12,820 --> 02:52:14,580
Please call it for Valley Street.

2023
02:52:15,100 --> 02:52:15,660
Thank you.

2024
02:52:15,860 --> 02:52:19,920
To the city manager for his chief public works for the follow-up,

2025
02:52:20,100 --> 02:52:22,580
just a couple of quick things I was wondering about.

2026
02:52:22,580 --> 02:52:30,000
Just a naive suggestion perhaps, I appreciate the city and the community addressing homelessness.

2027
02:52:30,960 --> 02:52:32,400
That's, it's necessary.

2028
02:52:33,360 --> 02:52:38,580
But I'm just concerned when you throw that into the east key in issues we are having.

2029
02:52:39,720 --> 02:52:41,740
Homelessness is just going to take over.

2030
02:52:42,220 --> 02:52:44,380
Only because that's, it's not a city problem.

2031
02:52:44,560 --> 02:52:49,060
It is a nation problem and I don't think the four of you are going to be able to solve it.

2032
02:52:49,160 --> 02:52:50,380
It's a bare for problem.

2033
02:52:50,380 --> 02:53:07,700
So yes, address it, it has to be, but just the small issues that we've been asking to help with our image are safety separate that out, otherwise it's always going to be the discussion about homelessness and the skin is just going to get left out.

2034
02:53:07,700 --> 02:53:16,940
That said, the light that we had requested for the back of Russell Park, I was unsure.

2035
02:53:17,500 --> 02:53:18,640
I know it's expensive.

2036
02:53:20,500 --> 02:53:22,380
I'm not sure if you could do like capital campaign.

2037
02:53:22,820 --> 02:53:24,520
I'm not sure how you do that.

2038
02:53:24,780 --> 02:53:29,560
And it's $1,000 was $1,000 when you do campaigns like that.

2039
02:53:29,660 --> 02:53:30,800
Not sure if you can do that.

2040
02:53:30,940 --> 02:53:33,180
So that's one thing I was wondering about.

2041
02:53:33,220 --> 02:53:35,660
Are you appreciated the police presence in East Kine?

2042
02:53:35,660 --> 02:53:39,900
there's been a lot on the Russell Park and the Bike Pass hope that's going to continue.

2043
02:53:41,520 --> 02:53:49,170
The other thing we were wondering Mr. Chairman through you to the manager and the mayor has left.

2044
02:53:50,180 --> 02:53:55,010
Would there be a possibility of constructing an ad hoc committee for his keen

2045
02:53:57,200 --> 02:53:58,360
consisting of?

2046
02:53:58,440 --> 02:54:02,970
Well, we can ask the incoming mayor what thoughts are?

2047
02:54:03,650 --> 02:54:08,650
just so that we can, you know, have staff presence, perhaps a counselor, he's skin residents,

2048
02:54:08,870 --> 02:54:13,270
there are businesses who've expressed concerns about some issues, they're expressing

2049
02:54:13,270 --> 02:54:20,170
definitely members from 100 nights, just a thought, just thought I'll put that out there.

2050
02:54:21,510 --> 02:54:27,970
Frank Richter, he's on Valley Street, he's under the weather, but wanted me to read this

2051
02:54:27,970 --> 02:54:31,790
to you. He says,

2052
02:54:34,000 --> 02:54:38,960
he's keen at a growth zone. That means actively encouraging positive

2053
02:54:38,960 --> 02:54:44,480
economic growth and for neighborhoods doing everything they can to improve the quality

2054
02:54:44,480 --> 02:54:51,440
of houses and not permitting development that negatively impacts our home values. That is

2055
02:54:51,440 --> 02:54:56,640
no more variances for things like 100 nights or low income housing because East

2056
02:54:56,640 --> 02:55:00,640
has done more than it's part in a loving that sort of development.

2057
02:55:01,880 --> 02:55:06,460
So that's more, I mean, I know the Zoling body is quasi-judicial,

2058
02:55:07,140 --> 02:55:11,360
but is there a way that somebody, a attorney's office,

2059
02:55:11,660 --> 02:55:14,440
the counselor's office, that can give them some direction

2060
02:55:15,080 --> 02:55:18,820
on maybe just slowing down these special exceptions

2061
02:55:18,820 --> 02:55:23,520
and various variances that they keep giving out to each skin they ever had?

2062
02:55:24,320 --> 02:55:29,760
I just, I mean, it's a residential neighborhood, you know, we would like to preserve it as such.

2063
02:55:29,900 --> 02:55:33,780
I mean, my husband, I have lived there for 30 years and we would like to continue there.

2064
02:55:34,440 --> 02:55:36,860
And we, you know, our property should be worth something.

2065
02:55:36,880 --> 02:55:44,580
But when you hear things like, realtor's not wanting to sell homes in a scheme, that negatively impacts our livelihood.

2066
02:55:45,000 --> 02:55:46,720
You know, when I'm living too.

2067
02:55:47,660 --> 02:55:49,360
So, I mean, some advice to them.

2068
02:55:49,360 --> 02:55:55,500
I mean, when they are giving out various variances and special exceptions is because that type

2069
02:55:55,500 --> 02:55:57,460
of use is not allowed in a zone.

2070
02:55:58,100 --> 02:55:59,860
Why continue to do that?

2071
02:56:00,360 --> 02:56:02,660
And if you're going to do that, put it around the city.

2072
02:56:02,740 --> 02:56:03,720
Well, that's not everybody else.

2073
02:56:03,720 --> 02:56:03,860
Well, that's not everybody else.

2074
02:56:03,960 --> 02:56:05,220
My short answer to it.

2075
02:56:05,220 --> 02:56:06,440
I'm not on the zoning board.

2076
02:56:06,980 --> 02:56:11,180
But I know the process is the neighbors can speak.

2077
02:56:12,200 --> 02:56:16,980
And if they come forward as a group, I know it didn't work.

2078
02:56:16,980 --> 02:56:28,000
But the process, such as it is, is the input from the neighbor saying, this is not appropriate, and it's pretty hard to climb over that.

2079
02:56:28,420 --> 02:56:40,420
We did try, when one of the users was brought forward, we were told that we are not about us to be quiet, but then the support that used God from outside of the key was encouraged.

2080
02:56:40,420 --> 02:56:46,960
So that's frustrating too, but that said that's that's like the address in the homeless problem is the bear of a problem

2081
02:56:46,960 --> 02:56:54,180
But just keep up the police presence and perhaps like, you know, and we are trying to encourage more use on Russell Park

2082
02:56:54,620 --> 02:57:01,440
We could never put clean up and like we can said, you know, it's prevail on some of these landlords on church street

2083
02:57:01,440 --> 02:57:06,740
Some of those properties. I mean when we did the neighborhood clean up, and then I took church street

2084
02:57:06,740 --> 02:57:12,580
There is garbage around dumpsters that are so frozen to the ground, you can't move it.

2085
02:57:12,820 --> 02:57:14,380
It's just another Sanviadis landlosa.

2086
02:57:15,060 --> 02:57:19,960
You know, those issues that are simple things that can be done to improve the quality of the neighborhood.

2087
02:57:20,840 --> 02:57:23,840
So hopefully you'll take some of that action for us.

2088
02:57:24,100 --> 02:57:24,500
Thank you.

2089
02:57:24,560 --> 02:57:25,920
Thank you. Yes.

2090
02:57:27,980 --> 02:57:33,040
So the light issue we are talking about as part of the capital program.

2091
02:57:33,040 --> 02:57:37,700
we are looking at lights on the trails and increasing lights in different areas.

2092
02:57:37,860 --> 02:57:45,040
So we will definitely include that and then continuing the police presence, we don't

2093
02:57:45,040 --> 02:57:52,460
have any plans of changing the direct controls that are currently there until we see the

2094
02:57:52,460 --> 02:57:56,620
situation dramatically improved in the concerns and complaints reduced.

2095
02:57:56,620 --> 02:58:05,220
so we do continue to have the police presence and then you know I'm not the best person to speak

2096
02:58:05,220 --> 02:58:10,900
about the zoning board the city attorney is way better than I am that topic but I will tell

2097
02:58:10,900 --> 02:58:18,240
you that it is a quasi-judicial board that we do not have control over in terms of you know

2098
02:58:18,240 --> 02:58:23,580
their decision making it is a separate board with separate authority I do know that there is a

2099
02:58:23,580 --> 02:58:37,080
to train them when they come on board as new members, the City Attorney's Office, meets with each of them and trains them about their responsibilities and the things that they need to consider when they make a decision.

2100
02:58:38,500 --> 02:58:43,260
But we're limited in terms of what we can do with the zoning board.

2101
02:58:44,380 --> 02:58:50,340
And the comments about homelessness and I would throw in their substance abuse, their huge huge problems.

2102
02:58:50,340 --> 02:58:55,520
but as I mentioned before, a lot of the things that we heard were complaints were really

2103
02:58:55,520 --> 02:59:00,100
symptoms of the bigger issues. So it's important we work on both and we don't forget,

2104
02:59:00,380 --> 02:59:04,880
you know, the issues that we're addressing in East Kean or any other part because East Kean

2105
02:59:04,880 --> 02:59:11,860
is not the only area of the city we are experiencing these issues. So, you know, working on both,

2106
02:59:11,980 --> 02:59:16,840
I think is important. And then just the last comment about committees, you know how I feel,

2107
02:59:16,840 --> 02:59:18,480
I don't want more at-home committees.

2108
02:59:19,120 --> 02:59:21,000
I don't have the capacity to staff them.

2109
02:59:21,280 --> 02:59:21,860
I just don't.

2110
02:59:22,720 --> 02:59:30,060
And so, one of that is why I offered to go to an ace-king meeting,

2111
02:59:30,240 --> 02:59:31,540
bring staff when needed.

2112
02:59:31,560 --> 02:59:32,600
They get something on the agenda.

2113
02:59:32,820 --> 02:59:36,420
They want to talk about, I'm happy to attend the neighborhood

2114
02:59:36,420 --> 02:59:40,320
association meeting, and also offer to our task force

2115
02:59:40,320 --> 02:59:43,960
as a place for people to also not provide input,

2116
02:59:43,960 --> 02:59:51,260
and talk about an issue that they may be having and so hopefully that is something that

2117
02:59:51,260 --> 02:59:57,460
we can continue because while we are seeing the increase in activity and this is not an

2118
02:59:57,460 --> 02:59:58,940
skin alone issue.

2119
03:00:00,000 --> 03:00:10,220
I see these issues in my neighborhood. And so I think that it's important that we look systematically at the province as a whole.

2120
03:00:10,240 --> 03:00:13,740
Good evening.

2121
03:00:24,620 --> 03:00:27,780
My name is Timothy Jordan. I live on Water Street.

2122
03:00:29,840 --> 03:00:31,780
Your last comment, Elizabeth.

2123
03:00:33,960 --> 03:00:39,220
I was going to come up here and ask for a point of clarification regarding the ad hoc committee.

2124
03:00:40,240 --> 03:00:44,260
My understanding with what I thought you had said, well, you need to take that up with

2125
03:00:44,260 --> 03:00:44,960
J.Con.

2126
03:00:45,080 --> 03:00:52,120
And there's a draft of the charge of this committee along the lines of all the other descriptors

2127
03:00:52,120 --> 03:00:53,960
in the other ad hoc committees.

2128
03:00:55,000 --> 03:00:58,660
And so I was going to come up and ask, well, who should that draft go to?

2129
03:00:59,400 --> 03:01:05,200
Now, you just got through saying, I don't want to do any more at hot communities because

2130
03:01:05,200 --> 03:01:10,700
I don't want to have the staff at the same time, you're willing to take your time, which

2131
03:01:10,700 --> 03:01:18,980
is a very important time, to staff and the association, okay, so that doesn't make any sense

2132
03:01:18,980 --> 03:01:19,240
to me.

2133
03:01:19,260 --> 03:01:21,140
You want to explain that a little bit more?

2134
03:01:22,000 --> 03:01:23,480
I would be happy too.

2135
03:01:24,040 --> 03:01:30,160
I'd rather have your staff member working on this kind of thing with a ad hoc committee

2136
03:01:30,160 --> 03:01:34,180
that have your important time as much as I like to sit at the table with you.

2137
03:01:34,740 --> 03:01:36,500
It doesn't seem like they're very good use of your time.

2138
03:01:36,800 --> 03:01:39,320
Yeah, thank you for that. I appreciate it. I'll try and clarify.

2139
03:01:40,520 --> 03:01:47,540
So an ad hoc committee requires a whole bunch of things that meeting with me or a member of the staff does not require.

2140
03:01:47,540 --> 03:02:16,560
It's a public body of the city that requires a minute take, it requires city clerks office to coordinate the minute taking services, the posting of the meetings, the coordination of the space, and typically the broadcasting, which involves the lady or people in the broadcast room, there's a lot more that's typically involved with a city at heart committee, which is why I found on them.

2141
03:02:16,560 --> 03:02:22,920
Um, they are very important at certain times, but I think there are things that we can do quicker,

2142
03:02:23,940 --> 03:02:29,580
um, but just having conversations with people, and that's why I offered, and I have done this in the past.

2143
03:02:29,980 --> 03:02:36,880
It's not just me, it's members of our staff, if an association or a group has a topic of concern,

2144
03:02:37,380 --> 03:02:42,260
court may go and get on their agenda and talk to them about it, or if it's a policing concern,

2145
03:02:42,260 --> 03:02:47,560
the chief or someone his department would go, sometimes we would both go, would depend on it.

2146
03:02:47,680 --> 03:02:56,560
And so it's a more strategic use of the time and it's less impactful in terms of the resources

2147
03:02:56,560 --> 03:03:05,820
the city has to invest in holding ad hoc committees. And so, while they're important, I try not to

2148
03:03:07,600 --> 03:03:11,140
overburden the staff with many ad hoc committees.

2149
03:03:11,280 --> 03:03:12,380
When we might be able to do it,

2150
03:03:12,560 --> 03:03:13,380
we'd just want to one conversation.

2151
03:03:15,740 --> 03:03:18,160
So let me tell you how it feels

2152
03:03:18,160 --> 03:03:20,800
like as a resident of the East Side of King,

2153
03:03:20,900 --> 03:03:21,820
which has been neglected.

2154
03:03:22,420 --> 03:03:24,940
Once again, it feels like, for whatever reasons,

2155
03:03:25,580 --> 03:03:26,880
we're getting neglected again.

2156
03:03:27,540 --> 03:03:29,460
For the reasons, all the reasons you explain

2157
03:03:29,460 --> 03:03:31,540
in three others that we haven't even discussed yet.

2158
03:03:31,820 --> 03:03:33,020
So that's how it feels.

2159
03:03:33,180 --> 03:03:34,560
I'm not saying that's how it is.

2160
03:03:34,560 --> 03:03:36,520
I'm saying that's how it feels.

2161
03:03:37,700 --> 03:03:39,920
So what we were trying to do, we've had,

2162
03:03:40,220 --> 03:03:43,340
and I should say, before I go any further that,

2163
03:03:43,340 --> 03:03:46,440
the work, all the work that your staff has done

2164
03:03:46,440 --> 03:03:49,180
over the last few weeks has been an exemplatory.

2165
03:03:49,420 --> 03:03:52,440
I mean, you had clear reports today.

2166
03:03:52,980 --> 03:03:53,840
People were on it.

2167
03:03:54,020 --> 03:03:55,720
They understood what the problems were.

2168
03:03:55,980 --> 03:03:57,020
Thank you.

2169
03:03:57,780 --> 03:04:01,040
So it seemed like with this ad hoc committee

2170
03:04:01,040 --> 03:04:03,940
that that would be a way of taking the neighborhood

2171
03:04:03,940 --> 03:04:10,600
concerns have a small group, funnel it to you, and have information go back and forth in a way

2172
03:04:10,600 --> 03:04:17,280
that would facilitate not burdened. You're telling me it's a burden. That's what you're telling

2173
03:04:17,280 --> 03:04:25,400
me. Yeah, I mean, I'm telling it requires additional resources, and that, and I mean, I think

2174
03:04:25,400 --> 03:04:32,900
I'm offering you something better. That's direct access to us to be honest, because ad hoc committees

2175
03:04:32,900 --> 03:04:41,520
require a lot of different things and I thought by offering your ability to attend either

2176
03:04:41,520 --> 03:04:45,980
one of our task force meetings or for us to attend your association meetings when you have

2177
03:04:45,980 --> 03:04:51,020
a topic that you want to discuss with us that that was actually more helpful. But I can

2178
03:04:51,020 --> 03:04:55,980
understand that you don't feel that way and I apologize if you feel it's a we're sliding

2179
03:04:55,980 --> 03:04:56,820
even some way.

2180
03:04:57,060 --> 03:05:06,140
Well, I don't know that I feel that way, but I feel I just feel like that there's

2181
03:05:06,140 --> 03:05:08,100
I feel neglected, okay?

2182
03:05:10,660 --> 03:05:15,380
And I'm sorry that I feel neglected at the moment because up until just a few minutes

2183
03:05:15,380 --> 03:05:16,800
ago I say this is great.

2184
03:05:17,740 --> 03:05:22,980
We've been attended to folks who are taking it and now on a simple request,

2185
03:05:25,480 --> 03:05:25,960
and is it your

2186
03:05:25,960 --> 03:05:27,960
is it the mayor's decision?

2187
03:05:28,660 --> 03:05:31,640
Yeah, so the mayor can create ad hoc committees.

2188
03:05:32,400 --> 03:05:34,340
It's my decision on terms of staffing.

2189
03:05:35,880 --> 03:05:37,880
But if the mayor creates an ad hoc committee,

2190
03:05:38,080 --> 03:05:40,800
we will figure out a way to make it work,

2191
03:05:41,180 --> 03:05:44,900
but we may not be able to have as much staffing at the meetings

2192
03:05:44,900 --> 03:05:46,200
as it depends.

2193
03:05:46,640 --> 03:05:52,520
Is there another form of where perhaps staff person

2194
03:05:52,520 --> 03:05:56,360
could be assigned as a liaison to the committee.

2195
03:05:56,600 --> 03:06:00,560
Don't call it ad hoc, because that seems to trigger all matter of that.

2196
03:06:00,560 --> 03:06:00,960
Apparently.

2197
03:06:01,580 --> 03:06:02,420
I mean, that's what it is.

2198
03:06:02,640 --> 03:06:03,300
It's a city structure.

2199
03:06:03,520 --> 03:06:04,460
I'm not making that turn.

2200
03:06:04,860 --> 03:06:05,120
No, I don't.

2201
03:06:06,280 --> 03:06:13,140
But I think that if there was a city staff person who was at liaison to your organization, you

2202
03:06:13,140 --> 03:06:14,360
get the same place with that.

2203
03:06:14,360 --> 03:06:15,260
Well, I tell you what.

2204
03:06:15,620 --> 03:06:17,200
Why would I want a city liaison?

2205
03:06:17,940 --> 03:06:20,580
Instead of, let's say we don't have an ad hoc committee.

2206
03:06:20,580 --> 03:06:23,940
Why wouldn't want a city liaison when I can have the city manager?

2207
03:06:24,200 --> 03:06:24,620
I'm fine.

2208
03:06:24,960 --> 03:06:27,380
I mean, what I mean?

2209
03:06:27,660 --> 03:06:34,640
You know, so what I want to know is, I want to be clear on what's a, some of the,

2210
03:06:34,660 --> 03:06:41,160
I want to be clear on how to have this, for lack of a better term, your word, association.

2211
03:06:42,600 --> 03:06:43,560
How do we do that?

2212
03:06:44,940 --> 03:06:47,240
Okay, so you mean how to engage?

2213
03:06:47,560 --> 03:06:48,520
Yeah, how to manage.

2214
03:06:48,520 --> 03:06:52,740
What is it? Let's say we got to say on next Tuesday we want a bunch of folks from Mesa

2215
03:06:52,740 --> 03:06:56,420
IT want to get together and we got three agenda items. What do we do?

2216
03:06:56,760 --> 03:07:02,900
Contact my office and tell me what the three agenda items are so that we know who we

2217
03:07:02,900 --> 03:07:07,960
might need to have at the meeting and then we just coordinate that way. That's how I've done

2218
03:07:07,960 --> 03:07:14,060
it in the past. You know we typically need some notice because it depends on the time and

2219
03:07:14,060 --> 03:07:18,460
of the meeting so that we can make sure someone is able to attend.

2220
03:07:19,340 --> 03:07:21,360
All right, well, we'll try that out then.

2221
03:07:21,760 --> 03:07:26,260
I mean, it's worth giving it a shot if you're okay with that instead of the additional burden

2222
03:07:26,260 --> 03:07:30,280
of creating the structure that comes along with an ad hoc committee.

2223
03:07:30,500 --> 03:07:34,400
And if it doesn't work, you know, it's good to the mayor and say, I still want an ad hoc committee.

2224
03:07:34,440 --> 03:07:38,540
I don't, I don't see it's an additional burden, but I don't, I mean, I'm a quibble of a word

2225
03:07:38,540 --> 03:07:39,040
to the other.

2226
03:07:39,160 --> 03:07:42,300
That's an issue that you have, not an issue that I have.

2227
03:07:42,300 --> 03:07:48,700
additional use of resources. Yes. Thank you. And then also you can pass on to one, two, three

2228
03:07:48,700 --> 03:07:58,210
counselors when these things are going on. Yeah. Okay. That would help. Thank you. Yes, Laura. Please.

2229
03:08:04,780 --> 03:08:13,180
Laura Tobin Center Street. I don't live in East Kean, obviously. I took a walk over there

2230
03:08:13,180 --> 03:08:21,760
the other day and just to kind of, I want to say that it took me six months to get the

2231
03:08:24,040 --> 03:08:29,800
to get the people who were not, who were dealing drugs basically, it took six months

2232
03:08:29,800 --> 03:08:33,780
of phone calls to get that addressed.

2233
03:08:34,920 --> 03:08:49,400
And so I part of that I want to say is that I think I wasn't providing the right information that the police needed to respond to what I was saying.

2234
03:08:50,060 --> 03:08:57,160
And I think one thing that could be really helpful is at some point just to kind of hear from the police.

2235
03:08:57,160 --> 03:09:18,420
I think, you know, they do their job efficiently and also, they might overlook what, the things that are obvious to them are not necessarily obvious to me that reporting a guy over there is not going to help them actually do anything about that.

2236
03:09:18,420 --> 03:09:23,280
And so when I would get on the phone, I wouldn't have answers to the questions they were asking.

2237
03:09:24,640 --> 03:09:27,200
So that could be one thing that was really helpful.

2238
03:09:27,320 --> 03:09:36,860
I also took a walk over to East King and just to kind of see what it was like over there.

2239
03:09:37,580 --> 03:09:39,820
How it had changed, I guess.

2240
03:09:39,820 --> 03:10:06,920
And I met a woman who had mentioned a couple of obstacles in terms of getting housing and how she had lost her housing and while I understand this may not be addressing the crime in the area specifically the fact that people aren't moving out of that housing I would say is definitely a factor.

2241
03:10:09,960 --> 03:10:17,200
So what she had said a couple of the challenges were basically that she couldn't get, she didn't

2242
03:10:17,200 --> 03:10:20,660
have the paperwork to get an ID because her paperwork was taken.

2243
03:10:21,080 --> 03:10:23,820
So she needed, she support in that.

2244
03:10:24,180 --> 03:10:32,160
She had gotten evicted from her apartment for what I would have interpreted as retaliation

2245
03:10:32,160 --> 03:10:38,680
for reporting a, you know, violation basically,

2246
03:10:41,580 --> 03:10:44,480
and the other thing she mentioned that was

2247
03:10:44,480 --> 03:10:53,840
really interesting was that she had paid application fees for apartments, and I also want

2248
03:10:53,840 --> 03:10:58,860
to say none of these things, this is not the first time I've heard any of these things from

2249
03:10:58,860 --> 03:11:04,980
people in this area, or that they haven't happened to me. The other thing she said was that

2250
03:11:04,980 --> 03:11:11,140
apartments say that they are renting. They take the application fee and then don't rent.

2251
03:11:12,080 --> 03:11:19,400
So people end up paying an application fee. I looked at one company in the area was 25, sorry,

2252
03:11:19,520 --> 03:11:26,000
$25 per person. So if you have a handful of couples that are renting, that are trying to

2253
03:11:26,000 --> 03:11:33,980
department, they're all paying $50 to a company and they don't even need to show them the apartment.

2254
03:11:36,360 --> 03:11:43,520
So that's non-refundable and it's an incentive to not rent the apartment to other people,

2255
03:11:43,660 --> 03:11:49,960
basically, because you can get $500 a day if you don't rent it.

2256
03:11:51,620 --> 03:12:14,680
And just kind of finally, I think that what this woman said and what I have heard from other people is that they don't go to the city because they, to kind of report even some violations or things that they're struggling with.

2257
03:12:14,680 --> 03:12:20,880
because I think they see it as total tailing and they see their landlords as a friend.

2258
03:12:21,240 --> 03:12:28,000
So I think that one thing we could be doing is just kind of helping to educate people that

2259
03:12:28,000 --> 03:12:35,300
we want to know that it's important for us to know this information and this is how we can use

2260
03:12:35,300 --> 03:12:43,180
it to help you. So I think that's about it. Thank you. Thank you. Anyone else

2261
03:12:43,180 --> 03:12:48,720
I'd like to address the committee this evening about these side issues and such

2262
03:12:50,960 --> 03:12:52,140
committee, can I think?

2263
03:12:52,960 --> 03:12:56,800
Well, what's your next meeting again, December 1st?

2264
03:12:58,700 --> 03:13:05,920
And that will be the big community development discussion.

2265
03:13:06,480 --> 03:13:09,580
It's not code enforcement anymore, it's community development.

2266
03:13:10,300 --> 03:13:14,980
It's a very nice and crisp motion to accept as informational perhaps.

2267
03:13:15,280 --> 03:13:17,760
Make a motion to accept as an additional.

2268
03:13:18,200 --> 03:13:18,400
Second.

2269
03:13:18,920 --> 03:13:22,340
Motion's made in seconded anything from the public further.

2270
03:13:24,040 --> 03:13:24,820
All in favor.

2271
03:13:26,320 --> 03:13:27,000
Final motion.

2272
03:13:27,520 --> 03:13:28,680
All in favor of Thanksgiving.

2273
03:13:30,100 --> 03:13:32,980
Okay, thank you all for coming.

2274
03:13:33,240 --> 03:13:34,680
And I thank the staff for attending.