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[0:03] Good evening. I would like to call the order of the Kaiser City Council in regular session. It is Monday, February 3rd, 2025, and ask our city recorded a please call roll. Councillor Persons?
[0:14] Councillor Courses? Councillor Courses? Mayor Christopher?
[0:19] I'm sorry.
[0:20] Bear Clark.
[0:21] Thank you.
[0:22] Council President Star.
[0:23] Here.
[0:24] Councillor CRISPR.
[0:25] Here.
[0:26] Councillor Dran.
[0:27] You have Councillor Latifer.
[0:29] Here.
[0:30] Thank you very much.
[0:31] If you are able, I ask you to rise and all join us in the pledge of allegiance.
[0:38] I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America.
[0:44] And do the Republic for which it stands.
[0:46] One nation, I'm a God,
[0:49] invisible with liberty and justice for all.
[0:58] Thank you all very much.
[1:00] It is my pleasure this evening to go to our special
[1:03] Orders of Business, which is the Proclamation for Black History Month.
[1:07] And I would like to invite up,
[1:10] carry Brown and Tais Road to introduce our speaker for this evening.
[1:14] Are you coming? No, it's just that carry. Okay.
[1:17] Yes, please.
[1:18] I thought, uh, uh, Tai is going.
[1:22] No.
[1:23] Yes, if you would.
[1:25] If you would please.
[1:27] You have to be at the microphone so they can hear.
[1:39] Make sure you can hear, but as microphone on.
[1:42] But I think everybody can hear me.
[1:44] No, television has to.
[1:45] I have carried good teachers.
[1:47] This is Brown.
[1:48] It's recorded, right?
[1:49] Television has to hear you.
[1:50] Yeah.
[1:51] Okay.
[1:52] Please.
[1:52] All right.
[1:53] Yep.
[1:54] Thank you.
[1:55] Is it on?
[1:56] Okay, so I am so happy to be here tonight and to be able to see Johnny whom I have known for more than a couple of decades.
[2:12] We go, I haven't seen him in years, but you know, you have those kinds of friends that you haven't seen forever and when you meet up it's like all times.
[2:24] So, Johnny and I go back to the days when he, I would order a city, and I used to do multicultural
[2:34] presentation for a city of Kaiser School District, and that was like 25 to 30 years ago.
[2:42] Anyway, I would like to just read a little bit about Dr. Johnny Lake.
[2:49] to me, he has always been Johnny, but he's really a doctor. Johnny Lake is a nationally certified
[2:57] and internationally recognized educator and speaker in programs focused on race culture equity,
[3:04] inclusion leadership diversity, implicit bias, community building, cross cultural interactions
[3:11] and ethics. He serves as a teacher, writer and storyteller in the US, Europe, Turkey, Australia,
[3:18] and Canada. Dr. Wright worked as an associate professor of education in counseling at the
[3:25] university level and also served as a child therapist for children and adolescents for over
[3:31] 10 years. He is a strong advocate for children and families and has focused on developing
[3:38] strategies and curriculum to disrupt bullying behaviors of children. He graduated from
[3:44] the University with a B.S. in history and was awarded the Phi Beta
[3:49] Kappa designation for excellence. He received his master degree and PhD in
[3:55] educational leadership, policy management and organization from the University of Oregon.
[4:02] He also holds a K-12 Administrator Certification from the same university and is
[4:08] an Administrator on Special Assignment in Eugene. He is a former member and chairman for
[4:14] State of Oregon Commission on Black Affairs and Former Education Chair for the NWACP.
[4:21] He's a former resident of Kaiser.
[4:24] His son still lives in Kaiser and grandchildren, and they are here tonight.
[4:28] Please welcome, Johnny.
[4:30] He is going to share a little bit about the importance of Black History Month for him.
[4:36] Thank you.
[4:43] You know, you make a mistake when you give a professor five minutes.
[4:47] But I'm going to squeeze as much as I can into this five minutes.
[4:50] The first place I called home was right down the street on Shemai Road when I first came to Oregon.
[4:56] My son was born on the bed down at 839 Shemai Road north.
[5:01] He's about 50 years old now.
[5:03] So these 25 years seems kind of short.
[5:08] I wrote something so I wouldn't be editorializing.
[5:12] Change is difficult for human beings, yet we live in a world that is in constant change.
[5:18] In fact, if a living organism or organization stops changing, is there.
[5:24] But people are creatures of habit, and we resist change. It makes us uncomfortable.
[5:28] But it is a law of nature that living things do change and adapt in order to survive.
[5:34] My ancestors, as recently as one generation ago, were not allowed to vote.
[5:39] To go to school, to eat in restaurants, to stay in hotels, to occupy certain jobs or positions,
[5:45] to be safe and interacting with law enforcement or public agencies, or even walking down the street.
[5:54] That change considerably in my lifetime.
[5:56] But I do believe we're having to continue to work for a change.
[6:01] I saw white-only signs when I was a little boy.
[6:04] And once again, I see signs that only white people are going to be chosen for certain opportunities.
[6:12] This coded in certain ways so that merit is said to be the line for who gets to be hired
[6:21] and merit oftentimes is related to who someone is.
[6:27] My ancestors were denied the rights of voted to all citizens of the U.S.
[6:30] Education was considered as unnecessary for many of my ancestors,
[6:35] and in fact, you could be killed for learning to read.
[6:45] Together, PowerPoint, last minute, I just wanted us to look at a little bit of our history.
[6:50] We informed the set of passes not dead, it's not even passed.
[6:53] Next slide, please.
[6:55] I'll send this to all of you if you want to review it a little more.
[6:57] Next slide.
[7:00] Oregon was the only state ever admitted into our union with a racial exclusion act in its Constitution.
[7:07] Next slide please.
[7:09] The 15th Amendment, Oregon legislator, legislature denied ratification in 1870 and in three additional votes over the next 80 years.
[7:17] It was not ratified in our state until 1959. Next slide.
[7:24] I'll skip that one. Next slide.
[7:31] Well, maybe we'll go back. I'll just let you listen to that and that'll be the last part of mine.
[7:36] conversation because this is a historical record that really speaks to all of us today. So let it play.
[8:35] You know, I'm really good in the right, I'm really good in the right, I'm really good in the right of school.
[8:45] To good schools now, no you don't want to go with white people. I don't even, you know, go and all bored on this thing, but I believe,
[8:52] God, people ought to be given good school, and I believe we ought to be given right to go in to whatever you qualify to go into, and I believe we ought to be given right to vote.
[9:06] And I remember him looking at me, first say I'd lend kind of sweetly and condescending and said, you know you still got to disease, I know you think you cured, but you're not cured.
[9:17] So you're talking, are you sitting there talking and I don't know what's nice and I know
[9:22] you're good man. Talking about giving me this, giving me that right. You talking about
[9:28] giving me something that I was born with just like you was born with it. You can't give
[9:33] me the right to be a human being. I'm born with that right. Now you can keep me from having
[9:38] that. If you've got all the policemen and all the jobs on your side, you can deprive me
[9:42] But you can't give it to me.
[9:45] And I was born with it just like you was.
[9:48] I got it.
[9:49] I had a profound effect on me.
[9:50] I was furious with him.
[9:51] You try to be kind to these people.
[9:53] You see it.
[9:53] Give me an inch and they'll take an ale.
[9:55] But the more reflect on it, the more profoundly it effected.
[9:58] And I realized this was where it really was.
[10:03] Couldn't give them something that they were born with.
[10:06] Just like I was born with.
[10:08] Tidal to it.
[10:09] Same way.
[10:09] I was entitled with it.
[10:15] On F. Kennedy.
[10:16] I'm not satisfied until every American enjoys his full constitutional rights.
[10:21] If a Negro baby is born and this is true also for the Reekens and Mexicans, in some
[10:26] of our cities, he has about one half as much chance to get through high school as a white
[10:30] baby.
[10:31] He has one third as much chance to get through college as a white student.
[10:34] He has about a third as much chance to be a professional man and about half as much chance
[10:39] to own a house.
[10:40] He has about four times as much chance that he'll be out of work in his life as the white baby.
[10:46] I think we can do better.
[10:48] I don't want the talents of any American to go to waste.
[10:53] John F. Kennedy.
[10:54] Thank you.
[10:55] Thank you very much.
[11:05] Carrie, did you want to introduce our student?
[11:09] You know?
[11:10] Jane is.
[11:11] Jane, come on down over to introduce Miss Marion Pope team.
[11:21] Hi, this is Amari Young.
[11:23] she is an 18-year-old senior at Sprite High School. She is very involved within her community.
[11:31] She is currently the Miss Mary and Folk County teen advocate for equality or excuse me.
[11:41] Sorry, she's currently, she's currently Miss Mary and Folk County's teen
[11:45] and advocate for equality and representation of black Americans. I'm already participates in
[11:52] school's leadership program and is the elected spirit coordinator for her senior class.
[11:57] Let's all welcome Amari.
[12:05] Hello everyone, yes my name is Amari Young and today I'll be performing a poem for you guys
[12:11] that I wrote originally and it is called Hair Towards Heaven.
[12:17] They say my hair is interesting and they want to touch it if that's okay.
[12:22] I feel like a part of me dies when they approach it no matter what I summon the words to say.
[12:27] Not because I feel like a show, or that they don't know what it took for me to grow it.
[12:32] But because there is so much that I had to say that they simply didn't know and lacked the strength to show it.
[12:39] They feel inclined to occupy my space, regardless of the location.
[12:44] Ignoring the scowel on my face, are my defensive inclination.
[12:49] Funny how people can take possession of things in their heads that are connected to my body.
[12:53] It's a reminder of times of my ancestors who have far less space to speak of these things and the ability to stop it.
[13:01] Who advocates for the black child that sits on history's broad shoulders?
[13:05] We squabble in between a lovable mountains sitting as obstacles and boulders.
[13:10] We live in breathe as a testament of freedom while you just sit with that stare.
[13:15] And on my worst day of fighting those mountainous struggles, you ask to touch my hair.
[13:20] What if my hair is mine and it grows on me and doesn't belong to you?
[13:25] Would you ask to touch it if I was seen as human and not a speck of school to view?
[13:30] The black child that flowers regardless in a sea of newly poured concrete that sprouts a flower
[13:35] in the cracks of 400 years of history's lies and to see.
[13:41] To an America that knows its people, even those that built this country for free.
[13:45] The black child that fades and is ever growing will always reside in me.
[13:49] I will advocate for that child and also for those this country doesn't see.
[13:54] Just remember, as you gaze, you may have never seen hair like mine in all its ways.
[13:59] I thought it was beautiful, well, I think so too, and that's just fine.
[14:03] But pause for a moment and respect the history of defines.
[14:06] Before you touch, take a step to be aware and think about why do you want to touch my hair.
[14:12] Thank you.
[14:26] Let's give another round of applause and thank you to Dr. John Lake and to Mr. Mario.
[14:39] I will now read the proclamation and ask both of them to join me in accepting this
[14:44] proclamation for Black History Month. Whereas Black History Month celebrates rich cultural heritage,
[14:51] triumphs and universities that are in integral part of our country's history. And whereas 50 years
[14:57] after the first celebrations, then President Gerald R.
[15:00] For officially recognized black history month, at the country's 1976 by Centennial, and called on Americans to quote,
[15:08] seize the opportunity to honor the two often neglected accomplishments of black Americans in every area of endeavor throughout our history, and quote,
[15:17] And whereas Dr. Carter G. Woodson found her of the association for the study of African American
[15:23] life and history, first had the idea of this month-long celebration in 1926, out of
[15:30] concern that black children were not being taught about their ancestors' achievements in American
[15:34] schools.
[15:36] And whereas the 2025 theme is African Americans and Labor, which focuses on the various and
[15:43] in ways that working and work of all kinds intersect with the experiences of black people.
[15:49] And whereas 2025 marks the 100 year anniversary of the creation of the brotherhood of sleeping
[15:55] car, porters and maids by a labor organizer and civil rights activist, a Philip Randolph,
[16:02] which was the first black union to receive a charter in the American Federation of Labor.
[16:06] And whereas Martin Luther came to an your incorporated issues outlined by Randolph March's
[16:12] Randolph's March on Washington movement, such as economic justice into the poor people's
[16:18] campaign, it which he established in 1967.
[16:22] And whereas the people of Kaiser recognize and celebrate their accomplishments, contributions
[16:26] and achievements of our Black community members.
[16:29] Therefore, I, Kathy Clark, married the City of Kaiser, do hereby proclaim the month of February
[16:34] 2025 as Black History Month and urge all the people of Kaiser to heed the call to study the history of Black Americans' responses and support efforts to establish safe spaces, institutions, communities, and homes where Black Lives can be sustained, fortified, and respected.
[16:55] Ladies and gentlemen, Black History Month.
[16:57] Thank you very much.
[17:26] Well, Bruce Lee and Deja,
[17:29] being joined on the way back then.
[17:32] The challenge is something
[17:33] you know,
[17:35] operation of love.
[17:46] I can't do that.
[17:48] Yeah, I can't do that.
[17:50] I can't
[17:52] do that.
[17:52] I can't do that.
[17:56] Okay, ready?
[17:57] First set.
[17:58] Start to look happy.
[18:00] I can't do that.
[18:02] Okay, look at me.
[18:36] For those of you who don't know, Ron Berkeley, he's very involved with the Kennedy Family Council,
[18:41] so glad to have him here with us tonight.
[18:44] And Ms. Deja, who is Marlene's granddaughter, is also here with us tonight.
[18:49] So again, thank you all very much.
[18:51] And thank you for coming and making time in your busy schedules to share with us tonight.
[18:55] We really appreciate it.
[18:57] We will now go to our next sort of business and that will be committee reports.
[19:03] Make it my, oh, I love my glasses up there.
[19:06] Thank you.
[19:09] Thank you.
[19:11] I'm like, it's not on my head.
[19:15] All right.
[19:21] So I'm going to start off with a couple of committee reports and then we will go to the
[19:25] Adam on the agenda for the Community Diversity Engagement Committee.
[19:28] So I'd like to invite up Harris Thankser to talk about traffic safety.
[19:33] If you would.
[19:47] City Council president and council members.
[19:50] I'm her thankser.
[19:51] I'm a longtime member for traffic bike ways in pedestrian committee.
[19:56] I'm here tonight to give an update on our last meeting,
[19:59] which was the first meeting of 2025 for our committee.
[20:05] The first thing we did in we did spend a little time
[20:08] is the election of new officers for the committee, Michael DeBlossi, was the new chair, and
[20:16] tentatively, Brenda Lam will be the vice chair.
[20:21] It wasn't a very long meeting, but we did have some input from the neighborhood.
[20:28] Lisa and Robert Baker from Kaiser were came to talk about some issues related to speeding from
[20:37] the roundabout on Virgilaine to Lock Haven and they had some information to share with us
[20:46] which we are clearly going to put on our project review sheet and try to monitor that
[20:52] and work with the police and public works possibly do some studies in the near future.
[21:00] The other one that we got issue but this came up several months ago and they prepared
[21:07] a neighborhood traffic management program was Park Meadow and they were wanting a speed study.
[21:15] Fortunately, the speed study was going on while we spoke at the meeting, so that information
[21:23] will be coming at our next meeting.
[21:27] Also, we know that we're maintaining our project spread rate, the list of projects in the issues that we people bring to us or people on the committee have brought so we can kind of monitor whether what kind of actions are being taken or whose jurisdictions some of them are so we can get it whether it's to the transit district ODOT or I'm going to name county issue.
[21:57] We did get kind of an FYI for our February meeting that we will be hearing about some issues,
[22:06] especially from the Northwest Kaiser Neighborhood Association, about speeding on Windsor Island
[22:12] and street racing on Windsor Island in Lockham.
[22:17] So that'll be our next, we'll hear about that this next month.
[22:23] As I said, it was kind of a quick, quicker meeting than we generally have, but it was a good one to get to start the new year.
[22:34] Is there any questions?
[22:35] Any questions from Mr. Thanks, sir?
[22:39] I have one, are going to be doing any helmet fittings and so forth between now and the next couple months, or is that pretty much a spring thing?
[22:46] And that is generally a spring thing and again, we're hoping and wanting from anybody in the
[22:54] community businesses or organizations to help with a helmet fund because we haven't bought
[23:01] any helmets just yet, but it doesn't take very long to get those helmets once we have
[23:06] some money.
[23:07] We have a few helmets right now, so if somebody calls or contacts us, we can fix them with
[23:13] health at right now, but our projects generally is spring and we're working possibly with
[23:20] wet all elementary for another bike skills event and with the fire department and maybe
[23:26] Salem Health. That's another possibility. And of course we always work with the fire department.
[23:36] Wonderful. Thank you so much. Really appreciate it. Thank you.
[23:39] Um, for report on greater no with these kinds of neighbor association, Tammy Kans.
[23:45] You signed up.
[23:47] We're doing that?
[23:48] Okay.
[23:48] No?
[23:49] Okay.
[23:50] I will set that aside.
[23:54] Anybody else here for committee report that I missed?
[23:58] Nope.
[23:58] Let's go to item 5A then.
[24:00] The community diversity engagement committee.
[24:02] Point message, the manager.
[24:08] Thank you.
[24:08] Madam Mayor, Council of the City Recorder.
[24:10] How's this item?
[24:11] Thank you.
[24:12] Is this visit?
[24:14] Okay.
[24:14] Mayor and City Council.
[24:18] On January 21st, you adopted New Council rules of procedure and it states that each member
[24:24] will make a one-member appointment to the volunteer courney committee and the community of
[24:28] our senior engagement committee as allowed in Council resolutions for a two-year term.
[24:34] So that's item tonight is for you to make this appointment for the two-year term or you
[24:39] quite changed your resolution yet? That's later down on the agenda. So right now they are technically
[24:44] pretty outcomes. Well, then I've got a question of procedure because in the rules of procedure
[24:51] adopted on January 21st it said quote,
[24:58] these rules supersede any individual resolutions relating to
[25:01] specific committees. So these rules now supersede the committee diversity engagement
[25:08] resolution, as I understand it, unless I am mistaken in my interpretation of Mr. Lindsey
[25:13] with that B-correct, that this piece will supersede?
[25:18] Do you know which 18.2?
[25:21] 18.2.
[25:23] Because I believe what was,
[25:28] um, I got sure.
[25:29] Okay, well, I'm trying to pull out, thank you.
[25:32] Just a minute.
[25:33] So, the first sentence on page 25 at the very bottom for the last sentence, it says,
[25:43] for council members appointments via council.
[25:47] These rules supersede any individual resolutions relating to the specific committees.
[25:52] So, the council member appointments via the council was for the council when the council
[26:03] Council members get appointed to Council committees as my understanding of it, whereas down below
[26:09] you'll see that it continues to say that I'm
[26:22] trying to find the additional one where
[26:24] it says that there's a resolution unless there's a different resolution in a different process.
[26:31] Oh, that's the sentence before that I believe.
[26:34] If I may, it's right before that, so the paragraph, as I read it, says, except for council members, all applicants above and above.
[26:52] For council member appointments via council, so these are the way I read it was the council makes, which is VCC and now CDC, these rules to proceed any individual resolutions relating to specific committees.
[27:07] Well, I'll say, it's up to the Council, I guess, what the specific interpretation of that is,
[27:12] my understanding of that was the win when it was changed, and this is just my understanding of it,
[27:19] but your understanding is what the governance and rules here as a group was, a lot of the underlying
[27:26] resolutions of each committee said that the mayor appointed the liaison. And so this was in my head was an attempt to say for council member appointments by a council meeting.
[27:42] The council appointing its own members to committees. That was when these rules supersede any individual resolutions.
[27:52] So, that was my understanding, but I don't, again, if you guys interpret your rules differently,
[27:58] you guys are the ones that their lower rules and the box stops with you guys.
[28:03] Well, the first sentence says, each house member as Ms. Bishop just read, that each
[28:08] council member will make a one member appointment to the VCC and the Community Nursing Engagement
[28:12] Committee for two year term. So, that was the change made two weeks ago. So, in order to be
[28:20] That is the process that needs to happen in order to be in compliance with the current rules.
[28:27] So we haven't changed anything.
[28:30] We haven't had that conversation which is obviously later on in our agenda.
[28:36] But that has two elements that had both the Council membership as well as the appointment process,
[28:44] which got put into that agenda item as well.
[28:47] And this is sort of, and I don't know if this is carte before the horse.
[28:53] I know historically we've done appointments early on in each agenda.
[28:57] Later on, there was also a resolution to bring the VCC or the CDC membership and appointment process and alignment with the VCC.
[29:11] And so it was anticipated that it was going to be a two-year term.
[29:14] And so we changed, in the process of changing your rules, we changed it to a two-year term.
[29:20] I assumed that this group would still want to vote for that that way, but they haven't done it yet.
[29:26] And so, you know, we're at a weird pause where we have non-conformity of our own rules.
[29:32] So, unless we want to, you know, quickly take up the resolution to bring those into two-year alignment.
[29:44] versus whether you want to proceed forward with them at a conformity and just say we want them to be two year terms because that's the last boat we took.
[29:58] You can do that as well.
[30:00] So,
[30:04] yeah, the way I read this was and the reason it well, it's on the agenda because there are vacancies as well, but this is the change made by the council. So, these are the rules that the council made about changing the appointment process.
[30:18] Helps us across. Thank you, Madam Mayor. May we make a suggestion. Since we have three different items with the CDC that we talk about them all together.
[30:31] We could take some sequentially and out of order. Is that the.
[30:35] The third they're all over the now.
[30:36] Right. We've got this. We've got item number here.
[30:46] We have eight, eight, eyes and eight, eight, eight, eight, and eight, and eight, eye, all three that are dealing with the commute diversity engagement committee.
[30:58] So we could either take this out of order the appointments and move it down to eight by before and eight, eight, and then we'll do those three in a row.
[31:15] But after I, so that conversation about
[31:28] whether or not you want to proceed with the resolution
[31:33] in item I, in particular, H is somewhat separate, but it is all related to the same
[31:41] committee. Is that the consensus of Council to move 5A to be after 8I?
[31:50] Yes.
[31:50] Is that correct?
[31:52] Hearing consensus, we will make that adjustment in the agenda.
[31:57] 5A.
[31:59] All right.
[32:01] We will do that.
[32:03] All right.
[32:04] Thank you very much.
[32:05] Let's go to public comment.
[32:07] This time is provided for citizens to adjust the council on any matters.
[32:11] other than those on the agenda schedule for public hearing.
[32:14] There are two public hearing schedule for this evening.
[32:16] One is a resolution, a supplemental budget,
[32:18] a strong water fund, worker's compensation,
[32:21] and an item 70, which is resolution, supplemental budget,
[32:25] general fund, police operations, insurance proceeds.
[32:27] If you're here for that, stay tuned.
[32:30] In the meantime, before we go to a spoken comment,
[32:33] I do want to acknowledge written comment for the record.
[32:38] From David LaDaye, resident of Kaiser.
[32:40] Thank you regarding PERS retirement conflict and this is regarding the excellent work by our city staff in regards to PERS and our retirees.
[32:50] So thank you for that. From Daniel and Potter resident of Kaiser, concerns regarding Council from Tammy Kahn's resident of Kaiser, concerns regarding Council and Jacqueline Green,
[33:02] residents of Kaiser, concerns regarding changing rules of procedure, so those are all entered into
[33:09] the record under written comment.
[33:17] Okay, so I've got people signed up for public comment,
[33:23] so just for folks who haven't done this before, you'll be asked to state your name,
[33:27] your city of residence for the record, and you have five minutes, it's your turn to talk and
[33:30] ours to listen, and we would just, if we ask any questions, it'll just be clarifying questions,
[33:37] and we just asked the two direct comments to the presiding officer, which is Ma.
[33:45] And then we will try to listen as quietly and respectfully as we can to each and every person who wants to speak.
[33:51] Okay? So in no particular order, we will start with Kerry Brown.
[33:57] We would like to talk to us about the community first engagement committee.
[34:02] Oh, I'm sorry.
[34:03] Stand by.
[34:07] did you want to do we just move that agenda item down you wanted to speak people in public
[34:15] okay carry if you would okay Councilor Joran thank you I just wanted to make a couple
[34:22] comments there's been a lot of talk out in the community by you know on Facebook on
[34:30] and I guess I've all been Facebook.
[34:35] But I wanted to talk about the community
[34:38] to diversity and engagement committee.
[34:41] We're asking to postpone this committee
[34:42] until we have a further, a better understanding
[34:45] of what DEI designation means for federal funding.
[34:49] I and I'm sure I speak for my fellow counselors,
[34:52] do not want to jeopardize our ability
[34:54] to secure federal funding for transportation infrastructure
[34:58] and safety improvements, and also at this time we don't have a full appointment, at least I didn't think we did, for this committee, so we should wait until all positions are filled before we move forward.
[35:14] And then I had another comment about some facts about the mayor or all appointments, I don't know.
[35:18] Before you proceed, Councillor Duran,
[35:21] while I appreciate you expressing your point of view,
[35:25] I would decline from saying that your comments reflect
[35:29] everybody on council, because I do not concur.
[35:32] Oh, okay.
[35:33] Thank you.
[35:34] Okay.
[35:34] I did some research.
[35:37] Well, I now get into deliberations,
[35:39] so my concern is that your comments, and thank you,
[35:42] I appreciate that, but your comments are directly
[35:46] type to item eight I and that's really where that belongs or I'm sorry eight
[35:51] H so I do appreciate you while you make these comments at this point but we
[35:56] just moved all of that to that part of the agenda so we don't want to get into
[36:01] deliberation.
[36:04] We just get we just moved that. Thank you madam Mary.
[36:14] Thank you
[36:15] All right.
[36:19] We moved 85A to farther down in the agenda. So, deliberating on issues regarding that agenda item at this point would be out of order.
[36:35] I understand that, but this is in our agenda, I understand that, but this is time for public comment.
[36:47] So if you want to respond to something she says, that would be under that particular agenda item, but other than that, this is the time for public comment.
[36:59] And it's hard time to listen, so I would like to proceed with our public comment.
[37:04] I appreciate Councillor Dram that you have things that you would like to express.
[37:08] But we're going to need to listen to the public at this point if we may proceed.
[37:13] All right.
[37:13] Thank you.
[37:13] Thank you for the clarification.
[37:15] Thank you.
[37:16] Ms. Brown.
[37:23] Thank you.
[37:23] Red light on.
[37:28] Get close.
[37:30] Oh, yes.
[37:31] Okay.
[37:32] All right.
[37:32] My name is Cuddy Dodd, Lee Brown, and I am known by members of this community as Keri.
[37:46] And I will proceed to read a statement that I prepared in regards to some of the proposals that are being addressed today in regards to the CDC.
[37:59] Okay, so as a long time Kaiser resident and member of the CDC committee, I would like to address some items on the council agenda.
[38:12] First, I would like to share the mission statement of the CDC.
[38:17] It exists to foster justice, diversity, equity and inclusion, and to strengthen our community through active listening and order to strengthen and encourage engagement,
[38:28] and understanding and empowerment and to advise the city council on issues that are critical
[38:35] to connecting our community.
[38:39] My opinion is that the CDC structure does not have to mirror that of the VCC.
[38:48] I don't see the need for this change.
[38:51] It's current structure that consists of three year terms for each citizen appointment with
[38:56] The option of reappointment has worked.
[39:00] Citizen members can communicate with counselor regarding such reappointments.
[39:06] Next, regarding the proposal to pause the CDEC meetings until the committee definitions,
[39:13] goals and direction are determined.
[39:16] The CDEC has worked hard since its inception to develop its mission statement.
[39:22] We have also a working document with the definitions.
[39:27] Our goals are clear.
[39:30] If the direction needs discussion, it can happen without
[39:34] pausing the meetings.
[39:36] This is an ongoing task because the needs of the community are fluid.
[39:44] I see no need to pause our meetings.
[39:46] I personally feel that the committee is being
[39:49] respected with this proposal. I have received many emails, phone calls and messages since
[39:57] the Council agenda was made public. The false who have contacted me are of the opinion that
[40:04] the Council real intent is to get rid of the CDC committee. Based on some of the comments and
[40:12] feedback with how observe some members of the council, I can see why this perception exists.
[40:19] It is a perception and that's very important.
[40:23] I have always advocated for transparency in all of our discussions.
[40:28] We had a work session that was cancelled.
[40:31] No one asked any CDC member for input when these proposals were made.
[40:37] We would like to be respectfully included in any discussion with the Council regarding any changes.
[40:45] I have read the legal analysis regarding these proposals.
[40:49] I hope you listen to the members of the CDC.
[40:53] The people who have contacted me feel that the Council in its present makeup is not friendly to people of color.
[41:00] And to people from marginalized communities, so it is up to me and others to be the listening ear and the voice for them.
[41:12] I sincerely hope that you take my comments seriously and in the spirit of collaboration.
[41:19] And I just want to add a couple of items.
[41:22] I had a very, very brief conversation this evening with Councillor Colour.
[41:28] I have known consular color for years and years and years and years.
[41:33] He shared with me the reason why he proposed a pause of the committee meeting
[41:39] is because there was not a clear direction from the CDC for the last couple years.
[41:47] And I just want to respond to that comment here.
[41:52] We have had two council members on the CDC for as long as I have been on that committee councilor
[42:01] star and councilor read and if anybody on this councilor had any question or needed clarification,
[42:12] they could have come to us either through councilor star or council read or to any of our committee members
[42:21] and asked for direction, clarification, and that I don't think has ever happened.
[42:27] And that's ever since, you know, I, uh, been on the kelly.
[42:34] Do I? I can't talk anymore.
[42:37] We would have to, um, may, um, this brown finish was sent.
[42:41] What? The, the five minutes is up. Okay, so I'm done. Yes, ma'am.
[42:46] Okay. Well, I'm not a professor, but I could talk and talk that past you.
[42:50] Thank you for coming to the time, so I have a question for you.
[42:59] Thank you, Madam Mayor, first of all, thank you for being my appointee for the last year.
[43:03] And thank you, comfort cross. I appreciate working with you.
[43:07] You know, as the one person of color up here on this diet, I appreciate everything that you do.
[43:13] Well, thank you so much.
[43:15] Thank you.
[43:16] I was going to respond to our counselor, Christopher, but I guess I got cut off.
[43:19] So we'll talk another time.
[43:22] Unless Ms. Councilor Christopher wants to put
[43:24] into a form of a question, then you can do that.
[43:28] All right, you want the question?
[43:30] It was just very good.
[43:31] OK, thank you.
[43:32] Thank you.
[43:35] Next up, I have Jane Tichno.
[43:54] Hi, can you hear me, OK?
[43:55] Yes.
[43:56] Does your name and city of residence for the record?
[43:59] Hi, I'm Jane Tichno.
[44:01] I'm a resident of Kaiser.
[44:04] I first want to say that my goal is to create and continue positive working relationships with all of you,
[44:13] because I believe that good leadership requires all of us to work together.
[44:20] And right now, especially the voters are asking for that.
[44:26] I want to thank the speakers, the Marian Johnny, for giving us through time tonight and expressing their experience as black people in this community.
[44:37] As we celebrate Black History a month, it's just so ironic that we are having the conversation of eliminating or suspending diversity because we are fearful of losing out on funds.
[44:59] You know the
[45:00] CDC brings a sense of belonging to Kaiser. I've been on the committee all of one month, but the little bit that I have heard is that it helps Kaiser understand who they are here and helps them learn about different local opportunities that they can be a part of.
[45:22] Kaiser, you know, the people of Kaiser want to belong, they want to be connected.
[45:27] We have to foster that. We have to reflect that value. That is the expectation.
[45:36] The task that was given to us last month was to define the four words. And as it is documented
[45:45] in emails, I did that in partnership with others in the Kaiser community, non-white bodies giving their experience, giving their understanding of these words, helping us figure out what our mission is.
[46:07] the city of Kaiser expects their work to be respected.
[46:14] And so the fact that we would do this just days before,
[46:20] we're supposed to affirm these definitions.
[46:23] I think it's just very interesting.
[46:26] And also to say that it's similar to this other committee
[46:30] when you guys are creating positions like the vice president
[46:35] that I'm not sure offers any sort of help to the actual Kaiser voters is also very interesting to me.
[46:46] So if you really care about making sure that time is spent wisely,
[46:52] that I would suggest you reflect that also in your meetings.
[47:00] DEI does not take away your opportunity to thrive.
[47:08] It has never taken away any opportunity from you to feed your family or to get the job
[47:15] that you want.
[47:16] I see a lot of white bodies and positions of power up here.
[47:23] DEI does not take away anything from you.
[47:26] And in fact, I see one young black woman sitting among all of you guys, and for you to have the audacity, the audacity to think that you can suspend this committee with this young woman sitting right here next to you, is absurd, and that is not the values of the voters that put you in these positions.
[47:53] I expect this Council not to bend out the knee to a fascist takeover.
[48:03] Be brave, be better than not.
[48:10] We vote if you into these positions.
[48:14] And right now, at a national level, we understand how these local spaces can be affected.
[48:20] We recognize that because we are those people that will be affected, but we care about our neighbors and we will stand up for them and we expect you to do the same
[48:31] So in a few days when we do have this committee, I hope that we will affirm the definitions that we work very hard to complete
[48:42] Thank you for your time
[49:00] Next up, we have Tayyiz Rodik to talk about the CTEC appointments.
[49:12] Can you hear me okay?
[49:13] I follow some tough acts, but that one.
[49:17] Okay.
[49:18] My name is Tayyiz Rodik.
[49:19] I'm a resident of Kaiser have been for the last 19 years.
[49:23] As a former chair of the Community Engagement and Diversity Committee,
[49:27] I'm here to request a city council consider postponing the item that is on the agenda tonight
[49:32] to change the appointments for the Community Engagement and Diversity Committee.
[49:36] My request is that you actually spend some time with the current members of the CDC who
[49:42] met in January so there has been a meeting and asked their opinions and thoughts on the
[49:47] matter before just moving, bullying ahead with a decision.
[49:52] As some of you may recall, we had a joint session of this community diversity engagement
[49:57] community and city council on September 23rd, 2024 and this was very much a topic that was
[50:03] liberated and discussed in the community along with the VCC members, although not officially.
[50:09] You may still choose not to adopt the CDC recommendations, as you certainly did not adopt
[50:14] the recommendation brought forth in the June 6 council meeting last year, but I'd like
[50:19] to see the dialogue and conversation take place.
[50:23] My reservation and concern with the speed through which city council is deliberately moving
[50:27] this process is that it's meant to remove or replace the current members of the community,
[50:34] who have done outstanding job in getting a community engagement framework in place, which
[50:39] you might have seen adopted by the city if you've noticed the increased number of postings
[50:44] on Facebook and Instagram.
[50:48] Furthermore, my most serious concern with some of these actions is that there is a deliberate
[50:53] intent of the city council to ultimately do away with the community engagement and diversity
[50:59] community. As this committee has faced noted opposition from councillors currently present
[51:05] on city council. Thank you.
[51:13] Thank you.
[51:16] Do you have a question? Do you have a question for...
[51:18] Jan just said something.
[51:20] Would you would you like to ask the question of the speaker?
[51:24] Not of the speaker, no.
[51:26] Okay, thank you.
[51:27] But we're not supposed to be having clapping in our meetings.
[51:31] I'll remember that with what we have the library and other groups as well.
[51:36] Thank you.
[51:38] Thank you.
[51:39] I appreciate that.
[51:42] I'm now going to go to Jacqueline Green.
[51:45] It's public comment.
[51:58] My name is Jacqueline Green, I'm an advisor.
[52:01] And it's too hard for me to mention I'm writing to sure something concerns I have with
[52:07] Council of Change in the World to procedures without community input.
[52:12] I have received some phone calls and messages from our community and they are very concerned
[52:18] on why the rush to change the rules and not in our community input.
[52:24] It feels like you are trying to be deceitful and pull the wall of a Kaiser's eyes by rushing
[52:30] through this and not being forthcoming. Furthermore, changing how our city has been doing
[52:36] the things, does not seem to have the best interests of Kaiser families or best intentions
[52:43] for myself as a voter. The council is terrified voices for the community, not just yourself.
[52:51] Our voices are what should manifest. I am very sad and feel like Kaiser is going to take out
[52:57] saying, and this is not why I choose to live here. I choose to be involved in this process
[53:04] because I care and I community has enough challenges and should not have suffer for a person
[53:12] agenda.
[53:15] Thank you. Next
[53:19] up I have Alex Miller.
[53:39] My name is Alex Miller.
[53:45] I have lived in the
[53:49] I just see in the paper that we just had an election recently, and we elected to Mayor,
[53:57] and then I see in the paper that we have, for the paper.
[54:04] So I don't know if Lyndon wrote this or last, but in Clark seems particularly offended
[54:09] by the changes that shook the mayor of the power to appoint people to committees.
[54:13] Under the revised procedures, the full council now will consider and decide such appointments
[54:17] Clark said this up in it a process used since the city was founded in 1982.
[54:24] So my question I guess for the council is, is that true, are we changing something without
[54:30] public notice or public, I don't know if we voted on that, are we changing something that's
[54:36] been in place since 1982?
[54:42] to answer the question. Thank you. The rules were changed at the last council meeting at about
[54:51] of 61 to change the rules from the appointment process from the mayor making appointments
[54:57] for the non-volunteer coordinate committee positions to be a vote of the council. So, yes,
[55:03] that was the change that was made at the last council meeting. The rules were discussed at a work
[55:09] session on January 18 and a copies were sent out to the council shortly after three o'clock
[55:18] the day of the meeting and were published for public view after the meeting.
[55:26] A councilor, Dran, would you like to all add to that?
[55:31] A little background in 2020 before I was elected, before I was elected on council,
[55:37] the city charter was amended by the vote of the people of Kaiser in a general election
[55:41] that 2020 city charter amendment included eliminating the language that provided authorization
[55:47] for the Office of Mayor to make all appointments to committees. So in this last month we were
[55:54] just aligning to that with our council rules to that amendment four years later. Yes.
[56:04] Well, we go through the rules in the past six to two days to do my sidewalk or I was going to have my property
[56:12] literally leaned
[56:15] so I
[56:16] find that to be
[56:18] rather odd
[56:19] Well, there's a lot of a lot of things in our code that we don't even see until we go specifically go through them
[56:26] Do you want me to get you a copy of the letter of the lean that I had because that was pretty clear?
[56:32] So I just find that odd. So if that's the answer we're going to get then I just just
[56:37] just reading the paper and I just find it odd that that's the excuse four years later that we're going to do this.
[56:44] So thank you for your time. Thank you. That was everybody I had signed up.
[56:50] Is there anyone else would like to trust the council under public comment?
[56:55] Come on down. Hi Rina.
[56:58] And again, just to remind your name and city of residence for the record and you have five minutes.
[57:04] My name is Renak Gonzalez and I have been a room Kaiser since 1975.
[57:12] So, like the gentleman who just spoke, I read the paper and read things, so I wrote a statement
[57:19] because we did have an election.
[57:22] And whether you agree with the election or not, there can't be power place.
[57:27] We had an election and we have to keep to what the people of Kaiser wrote it.
[57:31] It doesn't feel very good as a citizen.
[57:35] This long to open the paper and find out
[57:38] there was a three hour notice before you changed
[57:41] the rules.
[57:42] The public had no time.
[57:43] There was three hours from what I've read.
[57:46] So recent changes to the council procedures,
[57:50] such as stripping the mayor's appointment authority,
[57:53] and remaming her from boards like homeless alliance.
[57:56] She helped create, were passed with only three hours
[57:59] notice from public review from what I've read.
[58:02] This raises urgent questions for me and other Kaiser citizens about whether we're meeting
[58:08] the spirit of Oregon's transparency law or our own city of Kaiser's.
[58:16] We have used, let's see, Kaiser, I'm so nervous I don't know why, it was kind of me.
[58:22] We have used to ensure decisions are made openly with the public, not behind closed doors.
[58:29] If Kaiser's rules and procedures are being sideline, we must revisit the transparency and collaboration of the group.
[58:40] These changes implemented quickly, have denied us as residents, a meaningful chance to understand, engage with the decisions and reshape our city's government.
[58:52] This has led to a sense of disconnection. I thought a lot of people, people feel it doesn't
[58:58] power, they feel disconnected. It feels so like what? And these aren't just procedure
[59:06] tweaks. They alter how power is distributed in Kaiser decisions that profoundly impact
[59:14] our community. They deserve sunlight, scrutiny, and debate. Somebody's expertise does matter.
[59:22] Side lane and mayor with institutional knowledge of critical issues, like the homeless,
[59:28] the homeless, and now she's worked on for five or six years. I know some of you wanted to put
[59:33] 16 years on it, but it's been five or six years. This harms our community's ability to solve
[59:40] problems effectively.
[59:42] My concern isn't who holds the power, but how the power is used.
[59:46] If the goal is fairness, why bypass the public democracy requires dialogue before decision,
[59:56] not performative debates after the fact.
[59:59] And I want our urge to say that.
[1:00:01] Revisit these changes with proper public notice. Commence to transparency moving forward. No more last minute votes with three hours, because some of you have decided this is how you want the situation to go.
[1:00:18] Prioritize collaboration, not power struggles to address Kaiser's real challenges.
[1:00:24] This isn't about, right, versus wrong, like I said, it's about rebuilding trust.
[1:00:29] When residents feel ignored, they lose faith in their government.
[1:00:35] Let's prove that Kaiser values integrity and open dialogue.
[1:00:39] Let's commit to transparency and public engagement.
[1:00:43] I also want to encourage you to have a recall for the vice president, for the chairs, for the movies, those were not open to the public to have a decision.
[1:00:55] Thank you.
[1:00:56] Thank you.
[1:00:58] Give a question.
[1:01:01] Okay, oh, I'm sorry.
[1:01:04] Um, council president, as far as the question for stuff.
[1:01:07] Thank you, Madam Mayor.
[1:01:08] Mr. Lindsey, so, um, sorry.
[1:01:14] I'm, um, on day call, brain.
[1:01:16] Um, can you walk, just review the timeline that we've spent on the
[1:01:23] or roles, I think since it just walked through that, and then what the purpose of the
[1:01:30] council roles are related to why they exist in terms of us up here at the DIS.
[1:01:38] So I don't know if I'm being clear and I'm sorry.
[1:01:40] No, I can try to answer that.
[1:01:43] And this will be helpful because it is true that the paper might write certain things and there
[1:01:50] might be summed through to it and then they might have skipped over a few essential facts.
[1:01:56] So Council President Star brought up suggested changes to Council's procedures and rules
[1:02:06] on December 2nd to the Council meeting.
[1:02:10] At that time, the Council told me to or by consensus basically said, okay, go take these
[1:02:18] gestures and then leave open the window for anybody else on the council to offer suggestions
[1:02:25] to changes to the rules to come back to the December 16 meeting.
[1:02:30] We brought all of those back in a red line form all of the suggested changes on December
[1:02:35] 16 and then at that time there was some discussion and then it got put over because the
[1:02:44] was taking too long, and the meeting was taking too long, so it got put to the next meeting,
[1:02:50] which was January 6th, where the same exact rules and red lines were in that meeting as
[1:02:58] well. And there were, on both of these, there were agendas, line items that the staff report
[1:03:04] and all of these rules existed, and properly noticed, and publicized, like, when I was due,
[1:03:11] And then after the 6th we were going to go and we were ordered to come back on the 21st
[1:03:19] so we put together a packet of those rules that we knew at the time knowing that on
[1:03:24] the January 18th we were going to also have a work session on Saturday morning.
[1:03:31] That Saturday morning work session pretty much entirely was consumed by the rules.
[1:03:36] It was a four hour and 20 minute meeting and at that meeting and if you looked in the package tonight,
[1:03:43] you can even see the minutes about the discussion of that meeting.
[1:03:48] And they basically discussed the exact same potential rule changes that had been in the packet on December 16th,
[1:03:57] as January 6th, as well as for January 21st.
[1:04:03] because we released the packet information
[1:04:06] about a week ahead of time.
[1:04:08] So we released the packet on January 15th
[1:04:11] for the 21st meeting.
[1:04:12] So we didn't know exactly what changes were going to
[1:04:15] the final tweaks on the workshop at the 18th.
[1:04:18] So in the packet, we put all of the red line information
[1:04:24] to the suggested rule changes, knowing that maybe
[1:04:27] a few of those would get tweaked at the January 18th workshop.
[1:04:32] So, what we did was we actually put in those changes and then we put in statements that said,
[1:04:37] we understand that these might be slightly tweaked at the January 18th workshop.
[1:04:42] And so, we will make sure that there's a physical copy on the dias,
[1:04:48] for January 21st, if there's any changes whatsoever.
[1:04:51] So, those physical copies were up on the dias for everybody to see,
[1:04:55] and to discuss plus they discussed it for four hours and 20 minutes on the 18th,
[1:05:01] which there was a recording of and references to in the staff report.
[1:05:06] So there was a decent amount.
[1:05:08] I bet you're all told, we're probably almost eight hours into discussion on the rules
[1:05:14] between all of these meetings.
[1:05:17] And so I just want people to go away, not thinking that there was only three hours and notice
[1:05:24] that three hours of notice wasn't even noticed to the public that three hours was.
[1:05:30] As a courtesy, I tried to get my edits done and sent to the Council, so they could see.
[1:05:36] So I sent it individually, so they could just put eyes on it before the meeting.
[1:05:40] And then we made the copies and made those copies available here of what happened in the open at the work session on January 18.
[1:05:49] So, and each time we put it on the agenda and made sure that everybody knew what the subject of the discussion was going to be.
[1:05:57] Anybody could have come in and watched and as you can tell anybody who signs up to speak gets five minutes
[1:06:05] Was there another part of your question?
[1:06:10] Sorry, yes, there was a part B
[1:06:14] So I think really just making sure and asking if you could
[1:06:22] Discuss the purpose of the cultural rules like I know when I
[1:06:26] I came on to Council, I had an orientation, and they were explained to me as how we operate
[1:06:37] amongst ourselves and conduct our business.
[1:06:40] So I'm just looking to you to clarify that in regards to, um, sure, thank you.
[1:06:48] Um, here's one of the things that I know my predecessor said about this position as he,
[1:06:53] Somebody had said to him and he thought it was interesting
[1:06:56] is that this position was also known as the explainer
[1:06:59] in chief.
[1:07:00] So somebody who would actually try to say exactly what's
[1:07:04] happening, so I don't mind playing that role whatsoever.
[1:07:07] So the public, every elector in the city,
[1:07:12] is who gives these guys their power.
[1:07:15] And where that comes from is the city charter.
[1:07:18] And so the voters actually, in order to even
[1:07:21] change the charter you have to go back to the voters every time.
[1:07:24] So the charter is where exactly the powers exist for these guys.
[1:07:29] And under the charter, it says that the Council must adopt rules
[1:07:34] to govern committees, members, and proceedings.
[1:07:38] So the Council has to adopt the rules that are going to govern
[1:07:40] not only the committees and the people who operate on those committees
[1:07:45] in themselves, but then also all the proceedings.
[1:07:47] So then you turn to the rules, the rules are then, basically, how they're supposed to treat
[1:07:53] each other, how they're supposed to come up with committees and what the rules of decorum
[1:07:59] are and if people complain how do we respond.
[1:08:03] And so basically try to put forth, you know, a set of guidelines so that we all, or I should
[1:08:12] say we all, they all agree, how they're going to handle matters as they come up in proceedings
[1:08:16] because a lot can happen in a meeting, right?
[1:08:19] Well, 100 people can show up, right?
[1:08:23] So these are supposed to be operating guidelines
[1:08:26] that they follow.
[1:08:27] And what's interesting is, they even
[1:08:30] say that notice how her mayor does a nice job of running
[1:08:33] mean, she's the president officer.
[1:08:35] She runs the meeting and make sure
[1:08:38] that these rules are being followed.
[1:08:40] And she's very good at knowing those.
[1:08:42] And so that's why you saw even earlier
[1:08:44] when we were talking about who gets to say what,
[1:08:46] or maybe you don't get recognized at the time.
[1:08:48] It's because these rules say when you can be recognized by the mayor,
[1:08:53] and so you don't interrupt each other, so it's not total chaos.
[1:08:55] And then they also reference parliamentary rules,
[1:08:58] just in case things get too out of order.
[1:09:00] We go back to Roberts rules and say this is how you make a motion,
[1:09:05] or this is how you change things or swap things around.
[1:09:08] So the rules really exist to make sure that the way they run their meetings
[1:09:12] and the way that they appoint to their committees are all understood and followed.
[1:09:22] So, I'll have a follow-up question, Mr. Lindsey.
[1:09:28] The council advised President of
[1:09:30] position was not in a prior published version of the rules. Is that true? Prior to January
[1:09:37] 18th. So, that was an addition of an entire section. Correct? Yeah, that was an addition
[1:09:42] to the 14.3.
[1:09:45] Yeah, yeah, correct.
[1:09:46] So that was not prior published.
[1:09:48] The rules regarding the community versus engagement
[1:09:50] community appointments with that was that in a prior version prior to January 18th.
[1:09:56] Are you talking the resolution?
[1:09:59] No, I'm talking about in the rules section 18.2.
[1:10:03] The change to the appointment process for the community
[1:10:06] diversity engagement committee to make it like the
[1:10:09] on to a quarantined committee was not in a prior version of those rules that have been published
[1:10:15] is that correct?
[1:10:16] I'm not, I'm not sure certain about that.
[1:10:19] I don't want to answer in the affirmative.
[1:10:22] It wouldn't surprise me, frankly, because there was some discussion, I was ordered to come
[1:10:28] back in January with changing the CDC rules to match that of the VCC.
[1:10:36] And so it's entirely possible that we made that change along the way, so it could have been in January.
[1:10:44] I will affirm that no, they were not in a prior version, so I do have another copy.
[1:10:50] So those two were changes made on January 18th and then in the January 21 version.
[1:10:56] So neither of one of those were seen by the public prior to.
[1:10:58] As far as ordering the change regarding the community first engagement committee, it was, it was, it was a, and other business items that I brought up regarding changing the two voting council members to one non-voting liaison and Councilor Christopher added that we also discussed the change from.
[1:11:22] The point is being, as they are now to match the volunteer-quening committee, my understanding
[1:11:28] was it would be brought back for conversation, so I was quite surprised to see it in the
[1:11:32] rules.
[1:11:33] But they are in the rules, they were adopted by the council and they are as they stand at
[1:11:38] this time.
[1:11:40] But neither one of those was in a prior version.
[1:11:45] So I just want that for clarification.
[1:11:47] All right, anybody else would like to adjust the council at this time?
[1:11:53] Yes, come on down.
[1:12:02] Is this on?
[1:12:05] Hi, my name is Ramito Navarro Jr.
[1:12:07] I'm a Kaiser resident.
[1:12:09] Thank you, Mayor City Councilor City staff,
[1:12:12] for allowing me the opportunity to speak tonight.
[1:12:15] I didn't have anything written.
[1:12:17] I wasn't really prepared to speak,
[1:12:19] but I just felt empowered by the Black History Month presentation
[1:12:23] presentation that we had today. I mean, it was really awesome and highlighting kind of the historical context of how we've
[1:12:31] Disadvantaged communities of color and were specifically
[1:12:35] Black people and
[1:12:37] And it just reminded me that not 60 days ago
[1:12:41] In this same chamber
[1:12:43] We deprived a young black woman from being appointed the first black woman on Kaiser City Council
[1:12:51] And so I hope that you will reflect on that and especially considering that at the same meeting later on,
[1:13:00] we're going to be discussing whether we're going to continue the CDC, the community diversity engagement committee.
[1:13:06] It just is very telling that those two things are happening so close together.
[1:13:17] And I think that the fact that we had a city counselor tonight that declared herself as the only Latina on the city council when Mayor Clark herself has Latina roots.
[1:13:32] And so I just want to highlight something that I had read recently where it talked about
[1:13:37] how in the United States we have 65.2 million Latinos.
[1:13:41] That means that there's 65.2 million different ways to be Latino.
[1:13:47] Nobody is just Latino because of the way that they look, the way that they talk, the language
[1:13:51] that they speak.
[1:13:53] So I think that that's a testament to why we need to continue this community diversity
[1:13:58] engagement committee, and I think it will really be beneficial to counselors to be engaged in
[1:14:04] that committee, instead of just assuming that it's not serving a purpose. Thank you.
[1:14:09] Thank you very much.
[1:14:14] Does there anyone else who would like to adjust the counsel tonight
[1:14:16] under public comment? Come on down.
[1:14:30] Does your mind your name is due residence for record? Thank you.
[1:14:34] Good afternoon. My name is Benita Picasso, and I am a resident of Kaiser. Thank you for giving
[1:14:39] the opportunity to come and talk to you. And maybe I am here just again inspired by everyone that
[1:14:46] has spoken in front of me or before me. I want to come in and really just again ask for your
[1:14:55] consideration when you decide about whether we want it.
[1:15:00] Limited A, the CDC, CDC Council, think about the representation. What is that going to do for us, people of color of the city of Kaiser? You are here to represent us, we are a voice, you are a voices, allow us to be represented. It's not about, I think, one of the major concerns that I have heard as being part of one, a part of the council, has been
[1:15:29] the work that we do. And if we have done enough to engage the community and I want to ask
[1:15:38] the same question back to you. The leaders of this community are you doing enough to engage
[1:15:45] the people of color and welcoming them to come into these sessions. It's not just about a
[1:15:58] members of it but it is a role for you as the leaders of this main community. What are you doing to
[1:16:05] welcome them and to make us feel safe to come to these meetings and voice our opinion or hear what is
[1:16:12] happening within our own city. We are a high percent Latino community 12 percent for the city of Kaiser.
[1:16:20] There are, and I'm just a portion of it, there's a lot of other communities, underserved communities,
[1:16:25] under surpopulation, they're going through the same thing, and I can tell you from personal
[1:16:30] experience and from personal feedback, they don't want to attend because they don't feel
[1:16:34] welcome.
[1:16:36] And you represent that.
[1:16:38] This is all the leaders you represent that, you make that a welcome environment, or you close
[1:16:46] the door for us.
[1:16:48] So I encourage you that before we start questioning other committees, question yourself,
[1:16:54] What am I doing as a leader to welcome everyone to have a voice and to end to really think about what are we doing for the next generation?
[1:17:09] What are we doing for the next person that are going to come in behind your shoes? What are we doing as an example for them?
[1:17:16] We have some youth counselor here. How is that feeling for you?
[1:17:22] So tap into that, be a leader that welcomes on, that it's diverse, and instead of hiding away and just eliminating diversity, fight for it, because that is your community.
[1:17:38] That is who we are, and we want to fight, we want a representation, we want you to fight for us, and if you're not willing, I encourage you to step away so that someone else can take the spot.
[1:17:52] Thank you.
[1:17:59] Thank you. Anyone else would like to address the council this evening?
[1:18:17] This name is the president. Is it on? It is. Okay. I'm Sherry Lowell's, and I'm the
[1:18:23] den Kaiser for 40 years. We're for the Salem Kaiser School District. And I just have a question.
[1:18:33] We just had an election for our mayor. And I wanted to know how the person that didn't
[1:18:39] ended up being on the council. How does that happen? I don't understand. I mean, explain the process to me how that happened and you couldn't have had so many of color. Instead of appointing her, I don't understand. Nothing against you, or I'm just saying, I don't get it. It seems to me like, and then with all this stuff going on to me, it seems like really sour sour grapes about an election that didn't go the way most people wanted to go. It's all I want to say.
[1:19:12] Does anybody want to, I mean, could have staff talk about what the process is for the appointment unless that was a rhetorical question?
[1:19:25] Okay, so there was a resignation by Robert Hussman, who is Council position number five.
[1:19:33] And since we were in the middle of an election cycle, the council voted to amend our rules of procedure to change the timeframe for that appointment to occur after the election.
[1:19:48] So with that change after the election, we had three people apply for the position of councilor number five.
[1:19:57] That was Councillor Christopher, Julie Ann Ray Joy and Tammy Kahn's, all three of them submitted their applications to the city council that we could read in advance.
[1:20:09] And then our process is that each of them comes and makes a presentation to the city council and special session.
[1:20:17] And then after which the council votes to select this successor, it takes four votes to make the appointment.
[1:20:24] And Ms. Christopher received four votes, four, and was then a small in that evening as per council rules to complete the term for position number five.
[1:20:36] That's how the appointment process is done.
[1:20:40] Thank you for that question.
[1:20:42] And Senator council rules a procedure of people would like to read the details on that.
[1:20:47] Is there anyone else who would like to address the council this evening under public comment?
[1:20:52] Mr. Lake.
[1:20:53] Dr. Lake.
[1:21:02] Yes sir. Thank you for the chance to speak again. I didn't understand the context of this whole conversation
[1:21:08] So I gave you a little bit of academic
[1:21:12] Information. I give you a little personal information. I sit in front of you. I'm not 100 years old
[1:21:19] My father was a good man with my behind tried to make good man out of me did a pretty good job
[1:21:26] My papa was bedridden my whole life. I used to go sit in the bed with him. I don't remember much about him, but he was a kind man. That's what I remember.
[1:21:35] My father before him got married in 1870 at 21 years old. We have the paperwork worked.
[1:21:43] Which means he was born in slavery.
[1:21:46] As property, bought and sold like a cow or horse and a pig.
[1:21:52] Between me who said here in front of you, and my ancestor who was bought and sold in this democracy that's lived how many men, two, my father and my grandfather, and I knew both of them in my lifetime.
[1:22:09] My ancestor who was enslaved would get killed if they called him reading, so his education was zero.
[1:22:14] My papa went to the second grade. He could barely sign his name. He used to sign the ex a lot of times.
[1:22:22] My father went to eighth grade in broken segregated schools where the books were the discard books from the white school.
[1:22:31] My first four years were spent in the same school that my father went to.
[1:22:37] Where our books were the discard books from the white school. That's me.
[1:22:44] My son, who was here, and my grandson, who lived here in Kaiser,
[1:22:50] are the first generation in my family that's had a full and fair
[1:22:54] equal educational opportunity in America.
[1:22:58] My son, Sean Lake, who lives right down the street.
[1:23:03] This is why this history is so important.
[1:23:07] We're going to put slavery like this a thousand years ago.
[1:23:11] It's not, and so the more knowledge we have, knowledge is power, and we are the diverse society.
[1:23:19] I appreciate all of the speakers who came up because they gave me a little personal context for this,
[1:23:25] and this is how we learn about each other.
[1:23:29] I got integrated in the schools at fifth grade.
[1:23:33] First grade all black, second grade all black, third grade all black, fourth grade all black, fifth grade.
[1:23:37] I'm in the classroom with all white kids,
[1:23:39] so I'm the only black kid in the class.
[1:23:42] Probably the most knucklehead white boy
[1:23:43] from the white school came in and see what's right next to me.
[1:23:48] He looked at me and screwed his nose up.
[1:23:50] I looked at him and screwed my nose up too,
[1:23:52] because I was the same kind of kid he was.
[1:23:54] We were fighting before that they was over.
[1:23:58] And once we got to Pacano out of the street,
[1:24:00] guess who became my best friend?
[1:24:03] Did he stop being white?
[1:24:06] Did I stop being black?
[1:24:08] So what change?
[1:24:09] I tell the story to look kids because I want them to understand what changed.
[1:24:14] How much we knew about each other?
[1:24:16] And we found out something about each other that was very, very important.
[1:24:20] We found out we were a lot of like more than we were different.
[1:24:25] He and I were told the principal's office together, a whole bunch of times.
[1:24:29] Had nothing to do with being a white boy or black boy, we were two knuckleheads who would get into stuff.
[1:24:34] I go back to Tennessee now. I see that man.
[1:24:36] He didn't get as tall as me. I don't feel like 5.10. He's got a belly that hangs out of his belt now because he don't work out and drinks bill with his boys all the time.
[1:24:45] But when I see him, I see my friend. When he sees me, I will guarantee you he don't see all that some black man. He sees his friend.
[1:24:54] And so if you think about this as leaders of a community and I think they request a really appropriate, how are we shaping our community for our children?
[1:25:03] And for the future, do they have opportunities to learn about each other, to interact with each other?
[1:25:09] Hopefully, without a fight.
[1:25:12] So that if we look forward into the future, we want this diversity to be our strength for our community,
[1:25:19] not something that divides us.
[1:25:21] And I think education is at the center of that work.
[1:25:25] What are you doing to educate yourself about our community?
[1:25:30] What are you doing to help lead and guide other people to be educated about our community?
[1:25:37] That's what I want to say. Thank you. Thank you.
[1:25:44] Is there anyone else who'd like to adjust the council under public comment tonight?
[1:25:49] I knew you have to follow that
[1:25:52] All right. Thank you very much. I appreciate it every comments this evening under public comment
[1:26:00] at this time
[1:26:01] We're going to go to our
[1:26:03] time of public hearings, and we do have two on the schedule for this evening. Item 7A is a
[1:26:10] resolution, a supplemental budget for the Stormwater Fund Workers Compensation. The public hearing
[1:26:17] is now open, city manager.
[1:26:19] Not American Council, this is the city manager Tim Woodmouth, both of these public hearing
[1:26:25] items.
[1:26:26] Thank you.
[1:26:26] Mr. Wood.
[1:26:28] I'm not American City Council,
[1:26:32] but when, gosh, I got to myself here for a second.
[1:26:43] Okay, so tonight we have two supplemental budgets to prepare.
[1:26:46] The first one is related to our workers' compensation policy, as you folks know during
[1:26:51] budget process when we put our budget together, we record the minimum base and out for our premium.
[1:27:00] Then as claims are received, we do a supplemental budget to transfer from contingency to the appropriate
[1:27:06] line item to reflect the claims received. Typically, the base premium is roughly around $68 to $70,000
[1:27:14] in a given year, and the maximum premium is roughly $260,000. So we have quite a spread where we could
[1:27:21] actually receive claims. Most years, we do make out quite well because we're below the
[1:27:28] mass from premium maps, so we actually have quite a bit of savings. Unfortunately this year,
[1:27:32] we do need to make a budget adjustment and transfer of $27,600 from contingency to personal
[1:27:39] services to provide for workers compensation claims. And with that, I would address any questions.
[1:27:44] Thank you very much.
[1:27:45] Are there any questions of the staff report?
[1:27:50] All right, is there anyone here who'd like to address the council on this agenda item?
[1:27:55] I have nobody's signed up,
[1:27:59] nobody's rushing for the front, okay?
[1:28:02] Council, do you need any additional information prior to closing this public hearing?
[1:28:09] Public hearing is now closed, Council President Star?
[1:28:12] I think I'm out of my mind.
[1:28:12] I move the Kaiser City Council Lead Operations Law Center R2025,
[1:28:18] Authorization for Supplemental Budget, Stormwater Fund,
[1:28:21] Workers' Compensation.
[1:28:23] Second.
[1:28:24] This has been moved on seconds at the College of City Council of
[1:28:27] Doppositions R2025, Authorization for Supplemental
[1:28:30] Budget, Stormwater Fund, Workers' Compensation.
[1:28:35] Any further discussion?
[1:28:37] All in favor please, signify by saying aye.
[1:28:40] Opposed signify by saying no.
[1:28:41] for an objection. Motion passes unanimously. That takes us to item 7B, which is a resolution
[1:28:49] supplemental budget. General fund police operations insurance proceeds. The public hearing is now
[1:28:55] open. Mr. Wood. Not a mayor city council. The second adjustment tonight is related to our police
[1:29:01] department. Unfortunately, we've had a few accidents over the last year or so and we have received
[1:29:06] insurance proceeds. We would like to appropriate those. Recognize those insurance proceeds
[1:29:11] and appropriate them to add to our repair and maintenance account to continue the vehicle
[1:29:16] fleet.
[1:29:17] And with that, we'd like to recognize $43,700 insurance proceeds and dedicate that to the
[1:29:24] police department for the repair and maintenance line item.
[1:29:27] And with that, I'd be free to address any questions.
[1:29:29] Thank you.
[1:29:30] Thank you very much.
[1:29:30] Are there any questions from Mr. Wood?
[1:29:35] All right.
[1:29:35] Thank you very much.
[1:29:37] Is anyone here who would like to address the council under this agenda item?
[1:29:41] I'm this public hearing, I have nobody to sign up,
[1:29:48] all right?
[1:29:50] Seeing none, anything further for Council Fire to close in the public hearing.
[1:29:57] Public hearing is now closed, Council President Star.
[1:30:12] It's a move down second at the Kansas City Council adapter, resolution R2025, authorization for supplemental budget, general fund, please, operations insurance proceeds.
[1:30:22] All in favor, please signify the saying aye, aye, aye, aye, any opposed signify the saying
[1:30:27] no, no objection, motion passes unanimously.
[1:30:32] That concludes our public hearings for this evening.
[1:30:34] We'll now go into administrative action.
[1:30:37] The first item is a request to join the Salem Chamber of Commerce City Manager.
[1:30:43] Madam Mayor Council, Mr. Woodhouse, a second.
[1:30:46] Thank you, Mr. Wood.
[1:30:47] Thank you, Madam Mayor City Council, at the January 21st meeting the Council requested
[1:30:51] the city staff bring back information regarding the city of Kaiser joining the Salem Chamber
[1:30:56] of Commerce.
[1:30:58] The city manager and I met with the chamber and they went over their various membership
[1:31:02] options.
[1:31:03] It was recommended that the city of Kaiser based off of the number employees, the size of
[1:31:07] our organization that we joined the Salem and China Chamber of Commerce at the convener level.
[1:31:13] The convener level is $3,000 per year.
[1:31:17] With that, we have a bunch of different benefits
[1:31:20] that the city could enjoy.
[1:31:22] Staff, councilor, could attend a monthly forum,
[1:31:25] speaker series, lunchons, member pricing,
[1:31:27] and events, those kind of things, specific to our event center,
[1:31:31] there is an advertising opportunities
[1:31:33] that we could network and advertise to sale and businesses
[1:31:38] in organizations.
[1:31:41] There's also online magazines, subscriptions.
[1:31:44] their quarterly 503 magazine and we would be listed in those as well.
[1:31:50] Based off of the meeting that Adam Brown and I had,
[1:31:54] the city staff does feel like it would be benefit to the city
[1:31:56] since we are kind of adjacent cities with the shared border.
[1:32:00] So the city staff is recommending that we do move forward
[1:32:03] and join the Salem Chamber of Commerce.
[1:32:06] And would that be free to address any questions?
[1:32:08] Thank you.
[1:32:10] I'll ask for questions of the staff report
[1:32:12] And if you have down there, I'd like to invite up Mr. Tom Hoffert, the second director, and Jack
[1:32:17] here, you want to come to?
[1:32:20] Okay, Tom's in.
[1:32:21] All right.
[1:32:22] Thank you so much for joining us this evening.
[1:32:24] It's good to see you.
[1:32:26] I'm Adam Ayer, counselor.
[1:32:28] It's great to be here.
[1:32:31] I have learned a little bit more this evening and speaking with my peer at the Kaiser Chamber.
[1:32:40] And one thing I just want to share if I may, and this is probably not the presentation you
[1:32:46] thought you were going to get on a sales position, chambers of commerce stand for something
[1:32:51] completely uncontentious, and that is supporting small businesses, and our organization
[1:32:58] is tasked with doing that in our community.
[1:33:02] We also proudly partner with the Kaiser Chamber and share many members that are the same
[1:33:08] have a wonderful working relationship, I consider the executive director with Kaiser to be a
[1:33:14] peer and somebody that I enjoy partnering with. I also hold the role of President of the Oregon
[1:33:23] State Chamber. And so for me, I am looking at chambers of commerce in a very wide lens. We'll
[1:33:29] certainly first serving the community of Salem. We have a lot that we feel we could offer,
[1:33:37] municipality or government agencies, we have a number that she's to be members of our organization,
[1:33:43] but I would suggest, of course, we want you to be supporting those in your community first,
[1:33:49] and I would not be a big fan of us being a contentious item for your consideration.
[1:33:55] We are open literally for everybody who is in business to be a member that we invite governments to be a member as well.
[1:34:06] But we would want that done so when I figured a partnership and helping, but I will say with this commitment, whether the city of Kaiser chooses to be a chamber member or not, we are going to be your partner regardless.
[1:34:22] We are interacting with your city council members and members of your community each day, we appreciate our Kaiser businesses that choose to be members of our chamber.
[1:34:33] But I am very quick when somebody, a business from Kaiser is interested in tapping in our organization.
[1:34:39] I'm very quick to start with a comment of, are you a member of the Kaiser Chamber?
[1:34:44] Because we think that's very important that you are supporting local.
[1:34:48] So I don't want to provide a lot of additional color.
[1:34:51] I'd be happy to answer questions, but know that we are open to everybody in that business.
[1:34:55] Choice of whether you join the Salem Chamber or not should not be a contentious one
[1:34:58] And I would appreciate the professional courtesy that it is not in any way political.
[1:35:06] I see some giggles, but I just wish to say that on record, we are not divisive organization
[1:35:14] and I'd like to continue to know that.
[1:35:27] Thank you very much.
[1:35:28] to surprise, I have two questions.
[1:35:31] Membership here is it, is it?
[1:35:35] So let's say we join tomorrow.
[1:35:38] Is our renewal due then next February
[1:35:40] or do you renew for everybody the same time every year?
[1:35:46] Yeah, a great question.
[1:35:47] No, it is done on a monthly.
[1:35:49] So we have a membership in the chambers
[1:35:53] when you're in duration.
[1:35:55] And then we rebuild on the month that they joins.
[1:35:58] So if you were to join tomorrow, you would be effectively a member from February of 2025 through
[1:36:05] January 31st of 2026 with a minor pro-rated for the days that you've missed in February.
[1:36:14] But yes, we do invoice and our membership is yearly and it's based on the joint date of the
[1:36:21] individual or company.
[1:36:22] Thank you.
[1:36:23] And I have a follow-up.
[1:36:25] Thank you, Madam Mayor.
[1:36:26] So the benefits that were listed and reviewed in the staff report is, is there a, do we get so many tickets to, with that level that, the 3000 convener level, do you get so many tickets per month or is it a cost above the 3000 level?
[1:36:49] Yeah, there are things like all the things that you have that were listed in here.
[1:36:54] We do some bundling as you would expect a non-profit to do. So with your investment,
[1:36:58] you have some complimentary things that come with that. But our signature events,
[1:37:02] our key fundraisers would be above and beyond that. One of the members' benefits that is
[1:37:07] most appealing for somebody joining at the convener level is our executive leadership council,
[1:37:13] which is a very, it's a quarterly event that we bring in elected officials from the State City County all over to provide direct access to our business members can share their voice and have those conversations back and forth.
[1:37:32] And then there are some benefits and tickets, as you mentioned, for a number of events, including the monthly forum lunch.
[1:37:39] Thank you. Thank you, follow up for Tim.
[1:37:42] Yes, Mr. Wood. Thank you, Madam Mayor.
[1:37:44] Mr. Wood.
[1:37:48] So, that's a big ticket, dollar amount.
[1:37:52] Where are we at in terms of starting our budgeting process for next year,
[1:37:58] which would take effect on July 1st?
[1:38:03] I am in the heat of battle. Council President Start.
[1:38:07] So, yes, the budgeting process has kicked off.
[1:38:10] We're getting things ready, well, we have our long-range planning meeting in three weeks,
[1:38:14] we'll have a fairly good mid-year update, but yeah, the budgeting process is on its way.
[1:38:20] It's specific to this year, we do have a few dollars left in our dues and subscription
[1:38:26] association membership kind of line item.
[1:38:30] I think we have a couple thousand there.
[1:38:32] We'll have to do some moving around if we want to move forward with this in the near future.
[1:38:37] So, it's
[1:38:40] one more, and then we're going to keep going down long.
[1:38:42] Thank you. So, I just, I have to think that this might be something that might be
[1:38:49] sentenced for staff to put into a budget request or something that would come and be built
[1:38:55] in or recommended into the budget since we're, what, very emerging for me, June 5 months
[1:39:00] away, and we're getting ready to start the process. Is there a process for staff to put
[1:39:07] their own budget request that would then come to the budget committee to consider?
[1:39:11] Absolutely.
[1:39:13] Okay.
[1:39:13] Thank you.
[1:39:13] Thank you.
[1:39:14] Councilor Christopher.
[1:39:16] Thank you, Mayor.
[1:39:17] I think that was the question I was going to ask.
[1:39:20] There's no reason that we have to do that in February.
[1:39:23] We could make that part of the budget process and it could come before the budget committee.
[1:39:27] And it would just go in with our regular next year budget.
[1:39:31] That is correct, yes.
[1:39:32] Then we'd have citizen input on that too.
[1:39:35] Thank you.
[1:39:38] Councillor Jren?
[1:39:40] Okay.
[1:39:41] You got your answer question.
[1:39:42] Question answered.
[1:39:43] Answer question.
[1:39:44] Something like that.
[1:39:46] Mayor Clark, if I may.
[1:39:48] I just want to provide some clarity.
[1:39:50] We were requested to make this presentation.
[1:39:53] And I want to be real clear that my staff did not come to City Council and say,
[1:39:58] Hey, we know everybody's in budget crisis.
[1:40:00] Why don't we give $3,000 to our organization?
[1:40:03] So I really need to be clear there.
[1:40:05] It was requested that we bring information forward to you
[1:40:09] and really reiterate again.
[1:40:10] We will be working in partnership folks,
[1:40:13] whether you are a member of the Salem Chamber or not.
[1:40:16] We do have, in some sense, a city of Salem,
[1:40:19] as members in the light, but I just need that to be really clear
[1:40:23] that this impetus was asked of us as an organization
[1:40:26] and not in reverse.
[1:40:28] And before I go to Councilor Kohler, I know that number of us do go to or have an invited
[1:40:35] to Salem Chamber events and the joint economic environment in which both of our cities
[1:40:43] exist, there's, it's not like we're separated, maybe like a woodburn with their own chamber,
[1:40:49] but there's a lot of interplay between the two cities and all the businesses, and that's
[1:40:55] that question came up and talking with Ms. Roche found out that Kaiser had been a member
[1:41:01] a very, very long time ago.
[1:41:03] I was actually shocked that you weren't a member, and that's okay.
[1:41:07] That just shows my commitment to you will always have an open door with us, whether you're
[1:41:12] a member or not.
[1:41:13] That's how that's conversation started and asked the question, why not and what if?
[1:41:18] Exploring those opportunities for, again, collaboration when many of us have those connections
[1:41:23] of already in play. So that's where that started. I'm going to go to Councillor Colour. He
[1:41:28] has been standing up and then Councillor Cross. Thank you, Madam Mayor. Tom, thanks for coming
[1:41:35] tonight. Is Salem a member of the Kaiser Chamber Commerce?
[1:41:41] The city is Salem. I am now familiar
[1:41:43] with that. That would have to be a question for your executive record of the Kaiser Chamber.
[1:41:49] Thank you.
[1:41:53] So, Ms. Palardo, the Executive Director of the Kaiser Chamber of Commerce is here, and
[1:41:58] Her answer is, no, the City of Salem is not a member of the Kaiser Chamber of Commerce.
[1:42:02] Follow up.
[1:42:04] Thank you.
[1:42:06] So, the $3,000 is based on the number of employees we have as a city.
[1:42:11] Is that what I understand?
[1:42:13] That's correct.
[1:42:14] Our membership structures are based on employee count on the impact of the business.
[1:42:19] The businesses have within our communities.
[1:42:22] And so that is a standardized function.
[1:42:25] And I would encourage that that's very reasonable to have it based on employee count due to the size of businesses.
[1:42:32] And full transparency.
[1:42:34] Most of our members are for profit.
[1:42:36] And really looking for an ad because the organization or conductivity organization.
[1:42:40] So I have many times have been requested by non-profits and government agencies, can we have a special rate or something and I'm pretty proud of our organization that we really stay consistent that based on size.
[1:42:56] Those are our indicators for kind of that price for admission.
[1:43:02] So
[1:43:06] I understand that as an associate with the Kaiser Chamber, there are some things that were
[1:43:11] invited to any way as part of it, is that true?
[1:43:16] Our organization is open for both members and non-members and the vast majority of our programming.
[1:43:23] The only exception to that is our governmental affairs and business advocacy committee.
[1:43:28] Every member receives one vote per business.
[1:43:32] So, you could send 10 people to one of those meetings, but you would have one vote in equity for all the members, so there's equal weight.
[1:43:46] Good.
[1:43:47] Councillor Cross.
[1:43:50] I don't think I really have a question.
[1:43:51] Just comment.
[1:43:52] There is, as we've learned even with the payroll tax, there is a great number of citizens of residents that drive from Kaiser to Salem to work there.
[1:44:00] I think the Salem Chamber and Kaiser Chamber do a phenomenal job.
[1:44:04] I'm looking out there. I see Angela. I think she's a vice president of membership in Jackie and Misty and Larry Jackson.
[1:44:11] So we are very intertwined and I appreciate that collaboration.
[1:44:15] As do we?
[1:44:16] All right.
[1:44:17] Well, thank you so much for being here and for answering our questions and for the partnership that
[1:44:23] And the support that Steve Kaiser, you know,
[1:44:27] continues to show our business community.
[1:44:28] It's very important for us to support us.
[1:44:33] Small businesses are local businesses,
[1:44:35] as they both grow here and thrive here.
[1:44:37] So thank you for your work.
[1:44:38] Well, you appreciate this support you do for our local businesses.
[1:44:41] Thank you.
[1:44:43] Anything further?
[1:44:44] All right, thank you.
[1:44:49] So at this time, we have a couple of decision points
[1:44:52] we could either join now or look to do something
[1:44:56] is part of the budget process, what is the pleasure of the council?
[1:45:02] Council of Christopher?
[1:45:06] If the Council agrees, I'd rather wait till the budget process, because it's, you're getting started on it now, right, Tim?
[1:45:14] I don't know if that's a council, that's correct, yes.
[1:45:15] And so, I guess what I would ask is could that be added to the list of staff recommended?
[1:45:27] It couldn't
[1:45:33] There's another seven citizens that would join the City Council
[1:45:38] in making that decision.
[1:45:39] I'm not opposed.
[1:45:40] I just think that there's no, I didn't hear a urgent need
[1:45:45] to do it today.
[1:45:46] So I prefer to do it inside the budget process
[1:45:50] of council degrees.
[1:45:52] Council across?
[1:45:53] Thank you, Madam Mayor.
[1:45:55] Since we do have those dollars in the dues and memberships,
[1:45:58] I don't see a problem with moving forward.
[1:46:02] Thank you.
[1:46:04] So, we've got a couple of, while we put a motion on the table, Delvert, Liberate, and then take a vote on which direction we want to go.
[1:46:13] Council President Charles, would you really put one of those on the table?
[1:46:18] Would you, would like me, may I, may I suggest, I would like to entertain a motion that the kind of city council will join the Salem's Chamber of Commerce?
[1:46:28] So, would anybody like to make that motion?
[1:46:32] I just, I'll make the motion for discussion.
[1:46:34] Thank you. It's been moved. I'm looking for a second.
[1:46:38] Second. It's moved in second. It's because the city council joined the Salem Chamber of Commerce.
[1:46:45] Yes,
[1:46:48] no, I said I'll make the motion. So we can discuss. I'm sorry. Thank you. Thank you.
[1:46:54] So the motion has been made in seconded discussion. Thank you, Madam Mayor. So how much Tim do you say we have left in the in the do's line item?
[1:47:05] I think we have about 2000, so I'll have to move some money around if you folks decide to move forward.
[1:47:12] Yeah, I'm not sure that's fair.
[1:47:16] I mean, I want us to become a member, but I don't want us to like go over our budget item for the year
[1:47:23] if we can budget it for the next fiscal year.
[1:47:26] So I think it's an important thing to do that.
[1:47:29] So maybe if all the questions I'll go to Councilor Cross, what is the other line item you would like to take that from?
[1:47:36] Possibly.
[1:47:38] I would have to look somewhere within the administrative services fund probably supplies or something like that.
[1:47:45] Or TOT?
[1:47:47] Because I hope we get our Kaiser now, we, we, our members of the Kaiser Chamber, and are we not?
[1:47:56] We've got burdened members in this standing, there's be like 1,000 out of that, so that'll be one possibility there.
[1:48:05] But again, I would leave it to you. I'm not going to micromanage that.
[1:48:12] I want to make sure there's plenty of reserve in the TOT for the ongoing conversations with the efforts with our Kaiser Chamber, so I don't want to undercut that.
[1:48:23] Councillor Crosst. Thank you, Madam Mayor. That actually was my question because I believe with the last
[1:48:28] conversation we had that there was plenty left over even with our commitment to Kaiser
[1:48:32] Chamber and the TOT. Not plenty, but enough for that thousand. I see looking at me, Tim.
[1:48:40] Just fine, 20. You're planning on my plan, you're a different. We do have, we do have
[1:48:47] contingency dollars available within the TOT that, I mean if need be, we can, we can
[1:48:52] allocate it. So. Okay. Thank you. Thank you.
[1:48:57] Kelsey, was this already?
[1:48:58] No, I just, I, we have, we don't have the money in the budgeted by an item.
[1:49:05] I recognize you have contingency, but I would like to see us.
[1:49:11] Do so as part of the budget process, which is why I asked that question and where we were in the budgeting process.
[1:49:18] But I do think it's a good idea to work together, but I think we should wait for the budget process.
[1:49:26] Thank you, Councilor Christopher.
[1:49:29] Okay.
[1:49:30] Councilor Dren, no comment.
[1:49:32] Anything for the one council to the motion, Councilor Colour?
[1:49:37] Thank you, Madam Mayor.
[1:49:38] I'm against joining.
[1:49:40] Okay.
[1:49:42] Thank you, much.
[1:49:44] I'm sorry.
[1:49:46] Do you want to repeat?
[1:49:48] Councilor minimum at minimum I would like to put it in the budget part of the budget process, but I'm against joining now.
[1:49:58] All right.
[1:49:59] Thank you.
[1:50:00] Ready for the question?
[1:50:01] All in favor.
[1:50:02] Please see the Father saying aye.
[1:50:05] The Father saying no.
[1:50:09] Motion passes the motion fails.
[1:50:11] And so, the direction I'm hearing from Council is that by consensus to put this into the budget process for the 2026-2027 budget year.
[1:50:23] Is there anybody who opposes that?
[1:50:26] There's no opposition, Mr. Wood.
[1:50:29] Madam Merrick, we do the 2526 budget.
[1:50:31] Yeah, 2526 is probably better.
[1:50:34] Okay, thank you.
[1:50:35] I'll give you the hearing.
[1:50:36] Yeah.
[1:50:38] Thank you for the clarification.
[1:50:39] and so for the 25, 26 budget year and have that be included in that budget theory process.
[1:50:47] There is no objection from Council.
[1:50:49] All right.
[1:50:49] Thank you very much.
[1:50:52] All right.
[1:50:52] Let's go to item A to B, which is event center fee waiver, Kaiser Chamber of Commerce State
[1:50:58] of the city.
[1:50:59] Ms. Seenander?
[1:51:03] Thank you, Madam Mary.
[1:51:04] Ms. Ehm, Council this is with the Citizenship Manager.
[1:51:08] What?
[1:51:09] What?
[1:51:09] Madam Mayor of City Council, the Kaiser Chamber of Commerce has requested a waiver of the
[1:51:14] U.S.P. for the annual state of the city lunch form on March 11, 2025. The letter requesting
[1:51:20] the fee waiver is attached, the registration fee for the event is $15 for chamber members
[1:51:25] and $20 for non-numbers. The chamber is requested access to IRSB on March 11 from 10am to 2pm.
[1:51:33] The facility U.S.P. for the time period is $375, and that does include the 25% discount for
[1:51:39] as your case five or one seeing on profit organizations, in addition, the Chamber has requested
[1:51:44] use of the stage and AV equipment for an additional $250.
[1:51:49] City staff believe that this meets the requirements outlined in the ordinance and resolutions
[1:51:54] and is recommending that the council approve the request waiver.
[1:51:59] With that, if there's any questions.
[1:52:01] Thank you very much.
[1:52:01] Are there any questions on the staff report or the proposal in the packet?
[1:52:05] All right, you're a nun, Council President Star, we'll put you a motion on the table, please.
[1:52:11] I move the Kaiser City Council approve the requested waiver of the Events Center U.S.
[1:52:15] fee of $650, but charged the refundable security deposit of $750 for the Kaiser Chamber of Commerce State
[1:52:24] of the City event on March 11, 2025.
[1:52:28] This has been moved and seconded has the City Council approved the requested waiver of the
[1:52:33] event center, use fee of $50, but charge the refundable security deposit of $750,
[1:52:40] but the Kaiser Chamber of Commerce State of the City event on March 11th, 2025.
[1:52:46] Any discussions? All in favour? Was that a mochi I
[1:52:55] would love to? Would you like to come up and tell us a little about this?
[1:52:58] I want to acknowledge and invite up the Executive Director, Corey Flardo.
[1:53:07] And thank you, Elsa Dram.
[1:53:13] Hey, I am Corey Flardo.
[1:53:14] I live in Kaiser and I am Executive Director at the Kaiser Chamber of Commerce.
[1:53:20] So thank you for hosting this event once again to want to tell a little bit about it for
[1:53:23] people who may like to know more.
[1:53:26] Yeah, this is an event that we partner with the City and you, Mayor Clark, to come
[1:53:32] and share information about the state of our city.
[1:53:36] So often times Mayor Clark will share just the happenings
[1:53:41] that have, excuse me, that we've gone through it in the year.
[1:53:46] And then her plans to lead the city into the next year.
[1:53:51] We would love to have, you know, everybody there.
[1:53:54] If you can come, council and staff and then people in the audience,
[1:53:58] I think we should show up and support our city.
[1:54:00] in, like I've heard many times tonight, all worked together.
[1:54:05] Any questions?
[1:54:07] Happy to.
[1:54:07] Happy to answer.
[1:54:10] Well, thank you.
[1:54:11] And thank you to the Chamber of Commerce for hosting this year and year over year.
[1:54:15] I think this is an important opportunity to each year to kind of do a recap since so much
[1:54:20] happens in our community every year to give that kind of summary and kind of a vision forward
[1:54:27] is a real great opportunity, and I appreciate the opportunity to do that.
[1:54:32] Absolutely. Councillor Christopher.
[1:54:37] Coring where is Kaiser Chamber Greeders tomorrow?
[1:54:44] I love you. Nice and prompt.
[1:54:47] We will be at the City of Kaiser Event Center, hearing from the Lily Vaughn about the great
[1:54:54] happenings at the city events center, which we are so grateful for. You guys have blessed us
[1:55:00] year over year with the use of the center, and we get to do our wonderful events that benefit you guys
[1:55:08] and us, and just a fun note, you might see this one over here on May 2nd if you're a lady dressed up
[1:55:16] with our theme, Greece Lightning, for the Perci action. So we're also really grateful for that.
[1:55:22] I couldn't attend last month because I was,
[1:55:25] I think it was out of town.
[1:55:27] So I appreciate pushing that fee waiver forward.
[1:55:31] And like I've said before, we're happy to pay deposit
[1:55:34] and then they additional use of items in the event center.
[1:55:37] We want to make sure that it's well taken care of
[1:55:39] and that we can leave it better than we've left it.
[1:55:44] Better than we arrived when we used it,
[1:55:46] if that makes sense.
[1:55:49] Oh, I haven't followed all of it.
[1:55:53] Tell us about, we're members of the Kaiser Chamber, that's right, and do we have a comparable membership to what is being proposed by the Salem Council and that's what I want to know, because you charge a lot less money.
[1:56:10] That's right, so currently the city of Kaiser sits at our mission level membership, which is our second tier member.
[1:56:16] Our lowest space is 330, mission is 599 in our executive level is 1199 and we you guys are currently at mission level.
[1:56:31] So you pay 599 annually.
[1:56:35] Is that comparable to what?
[1:56:36] So in terms of benefits and so forth, I do not know, we could ask our city staff to look at the comparable services that we are subscribing for, and to make sure we're at the level that's appropriate for not only our business size, but also the appropriate interaction with the community.
[1:56:59] So this is a good question to ask.
[1:57:00] Thank you for the question. Thank you. So Mr. Wood, I think you heard that that I request for additional information.
[1:57:09] I know you're a hip-deep in the budget, but if you could add that to, you know, something for this process.
[1:57:17] Thank you. Councillor Crosse.
[1:57:19] Thank you, Madam Eric. So what I'm hearing just to clarify is that we can just like we're putting that line item for budget discussion.
[1:57:26] We can put in the higher level of kind of their chamber for budget discussion.
[1:57:34] Councillor, cross. Yeah, well we can look into it. I'm not sure whether there's
[1:57:41] is based on buying a certain level or by it like it is with Salem. It's by the number
[1:57:48] employees have. We have a flat rate for businesses to choose which membership they
[1:57:54] want to come in on. The difference is how we provide services. So there's
[1:58:00] different management of your membership with the money that you give us to pay for your
[1:58:07] membership. We do, you know, if you're going to pay a stop dollar, we're going to do the
[1:58:12] things for you, because that's what you're paying us to do. If you're going to be a business
[1:58:16] member, then we are going to walk alongside you and encourage you to do all the things, but
[1:58:21] teach you how to do it. So with that in all jam, we can absolutely bring that back to you. Thank
[1:58:27] Thank you.
[1:58:28] Thank you very much.
[1:58:30] There you go.
[1:58:30] Thank you.
[1:58:31] All right.
[1:58:31] Thank you.
[1:58:34] Okay.
[1:58:34] We do have a motion.
[1:58:35] The second on the table.
[1:58:36] Oh, Councillor Colour.
[1:58:38] Just a real quick question.
[1:58:41] So, if we were doing the same type of level for Salem, as we're doing Kaiser, shouldn't we
[1:58:47] do the $1100 membership?
[1:58:49] That's what we just, so we just kind of, we've just funded that to our staff to bring
[1:58:55] back in the budgetary process.
[1:58:57] and then we're going to get back to the motion on the table.
[1:59:02] So yes and put in call for the question.
[1:59:06] I'll inform you, please think about this thing.
[1:59:08] Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye.
[1:59:09] And he posted the file by saying no.
[1:59:11] Reading no objection. Motion passes unanimously.
[1:59:16] I've had a request that we take a recess for a bio-struct break.
[1:59:21] So we will reconvene at 815. We are in recess.
[2:12:26] Officity Council is now back in session. We are going to go to item 8C, which is to consider the
[2:12:32] population request from Casa of Marion County recognizing foster care awareness month. City manager.
[2:12:38] Thank you, Madam Marion Council. So you recorded this as a sign.
[2:12:43] Was this it?
[2:12:45] Mayor and City Council. On Monday, January 27th, we received a request for a
[2:12:50] from Vanessa Nordike, the executive director of Casa of Marion County.
[2:12:55] She's looking to recognize foster care awareness month in May of 2025.
[2:13:00] She's asked if she could come and present and have the proclamation read at a meeting in April or May.
[2:13:07] And with the new council rules of procedure, it's time to now to look at this.
[2:13:12] All right, thank you very much.
[2:13:14] Any questions on the request for the proclamation on foster care awareness month?
[2:13:19] What else goes in the start?
[2:13:23] Ms. Bissette, have we gotten anything on child abuse prevention month, which is in April?
[2:13:31] Have you gotten a request for that yet, or is it on the approved list?
[2:13:35] I don't know. Sorry.
[2:13:36] It is full-knight recovery.
[2:13:37] It is not on the approved list. I have not seen the request to come in yet.
[2:13:40] Okay.
[2:13:40] I just like to make sure we keep that in mind.
[2:13:44] It's an annual.
[2:13:46] And so, yes, it's one that we do annually.
[2:13:48] So yes, this one that here to four I have issued annually, yes, and that's an April.
[2:13:54] Correct.
[2:13:56] And generally we invite, right, like we have in the past.
[2:14:02] So that would be one that would be issued, and I believe it was on the list that you included here in the packet if I remember correctly.
[2:14:09] Yes, we're looking at April one for that.
[2:14:11] for, yes, right here to your question, time in one
[2:14:15] proclamation schedule for April 1, city council meeting
[2:14:17] challenges prevention months.
[2:14:19] So that would be a yes, and then there are openings for one
[2:14:23] on April 21st.
[2:14:25] We do have three scheduled for May 6.
[2:14:27] So we're going to have to spread that out between May 6
[2:14:31] to May 19th.
[2:14:34] With that any further questions?
[2:14:36] OK, council president, star, would you be willing
[2:14:39] to put emotional on the table?
[2:14:40] I moved to approve the Proclamation Request from Casa of Marine County Recognizing Foster Care Awareness Month at the City Council meeting to be determined.
[2:14:52] Second.
[2:14:53] It's been moved and seconded that the Kansas City Council approved, oops, there we go.
[2:14:58] The Reclamation Request from Casa of America.
[2:15:00] Any recognizing foster care, awareness month, a meeting to be determined, what I would like to do is
[2:15:07] let that for April 21st, because we already have on April 1st and already may 6th, and this
[2:15:14] would be getting in preparation for the May events. So I would request that to be, we insert the
[2:15:20] day April 21st. Does the move are accept? Accept? Does the second accept? Yes. Thank you very much.
[2:15:27] the motion is presented.
[2:15:30] Anything further?
[2:15:32] All in favor of signify was saying aye.
[2:15:35] Aye.
[2:15:35] Opposing of aye.
[2:15:35] The signify was saying no.
[2:15:37] Your no objection.
[2:15:38] Motion passes unanimously.
[2:15:40] This is all worth you on the.
[2:15:42] On the.
[2:15:42] On the language.
[2:15:42] Thank you.
[2:15:44] That takes us to item eight in D, which is resolution claiming an exemption.
[2:15:48] exception under the Kaiser Park snatching program for Gold Star Memorial Monument, Mr. Brown.
[2:15:54] See you, Nedger.
[2:15:59] Public Works Director Bill, lawyer?
[2:16:02] I'll take this one.
[2:16:03] Mr. Lawyer.
[2:16:04] Thank you, Madam Mayor. Council.
[2:16:06] The Kaiser Gold Star Families Memorial Monument Committee is received approval and support
[2:16:11] from the City Council to place a Gold Star Memorial in Ryan J. Hill Memorial Park.
[2:16:16] The committee is raised to date about $10,000 in funds for the project.
[2:16:19] The committee's goals to have the memorial completed by September 28, 2025, which is the
[2:16:24] Gold Star of Mothers and Family Memorial Day, which has begun preparing the site for the
[2:16:30] Morton Memorial to be installed, the fundraising efforts continued by the committee to reach
[2:16:34] their goal.
[2:16:36] The Kaiser Parks and Recreation Advisory Board approved a motion to approve the $10,000
[2:16:40] for the matching grant and request Council's exception to the policy to pay in advance
[2:16:46] of completion of the project.
[2:16:48] The Park Sports grant program is a reimbursement program.
[2:16:53] And so they're asking council for an exception to that program to allow for this
[2:16:57] funding to be released to meet the goal of having the order placed in April so they
[2:17:02] can meet their September 28th completion goal.
[2:17:06] Funds are available in the 2425 City Council adopted Park Services Fund, specifically
[2:17:11] the grant program line item.
[2:17:14] Approval of this exception, policy exception will allow the money to be ordered in time to meet the goal of completion in September that mentioned.
[2:17:21] City Council approval is needed to allow this policy exception.
[2:17:25] Staff recommends Council adopt the top but the attached resolution of putting a policy exception to the parks grant program to allow funds to be provided for the Gold Star World project.
[2:17:35] I'd be happy to answer your questions.
[2:17:37] Thank you very much, other questions from Mr. Lawyer.
[2:17:41] I do have one and that's on the overall budget. I had a conversation with Mr. Brown earlier
[2:17:47] today. So, the original estimate for the overall project budget is about $150,000.
[2:17:55] Is that correct?
[2:17:56] That's correct.
[2:17:58] Okay. So the monument itself is about 60,000 of the total of 150.
[2:18:04] And then there are other elements that will need to be purchased in this for this for
[2:18:11] to complete the site is that correct?
[2:18:13] That's correct, about a mirror.
[2:18:16] So additional fundraising will be done for those elements as well as the monument itself.
[2:18:22] All right.
[2:18:22] Thank you.
[2:18:23] Anything else?
[2:18:26] Council President Star, would you be willing to put motion on the table?
[2:18:28] Absolutely.
[2:18:28] I move the Kaiser City Council at Dr. Solution R2025 claiming an exception under the Kaiser
[2:18:34] Parks Matching Grant Program for the Cold Star Memorial Monument.
[2:18:39] Please second.
[2:18:40] It's the move down second at the Decaiser City Council at Dr. Solution R2025.
[2:18:45] Claiming an exception under the Kaiser Parks Matching Grant Program for the Cold Star Memorial Monument.
[2:18:51] Any discussion?
[2:18:54] All in favor, signify by saying aye.
[2:18:56] I. I. Opposing if I was saying no, you're no
[2:19:00] objection, motion passes unanimously. That takes us to item 8E, which is
[2:19:04] resolution, authorizing applying director to sign the
[2:19:07] environmental agreement for a city of Kaiser Transportation System Plan
[2:19:11] Community Engagement. So you imagine.
[2:19:14] Madam Mayor Council, a plan director, Shane Miffon has a sign.
[2:19:17] Just with him.
[2:19:19] Thank you, Madam Mayor Council. Yes, so before you hear is an IGA and an
[2:19:26] know, transportation system plan update has been a long kind of, it's been on that board
[2:19:33] for a few years as a goal. And this project is a little bit in that same C-FEC basket,
[2:19:41] the climate friendly and equitable communities, basket of legislation that's kind of
[2:19:46] been working its way through and I've cried about all the different projects that I'm trying
[2:19:50] to juggle and keep my head straight on. But we've talked a bit about the process we've been
[2:19:55] going through and hit one of the silver linings of all of this work is that the state has
[2:20:01] kind of changed how they're prioritizing and funding transportation system plans.
[2:20:08] So ODOT, the Oregon Department Transportation, is doing a lot of the technical work and
[2:20:15] will be funding the kind of the engineering side of our transportation system plan update.
[2:20:21] And I actually haven't told anybody this.
[2:20:24] I just got an email Friday that the mini RFP that ODOT has getting out just got posted.
[2:20:32] So it's like happening, hopefully it's happening when we get through a process and end up with a contract and figure out how all of that works.
[2:20:42] But when ODOT looked at a community like Kaiser and what the overall project cost we're going to look like for RTSP
[2:20:51] It's a really big project. It takes a long time.
[2:20:55] They're a little concerned about overall budget.
[2:20:58] So the Department of Land Conservation and Development came alongside and said,
[2:21:01] hey, we have some additional money that we think might be helpful to set up your kind of
[2:21:08] engagement plan and this little piece that's called a major equity analysis that's
[2:21:13] a new requirement that came out of C-fact that's in OAR-60.
[2:21:17] So this IGA is specifically for us, the city, to be able to work with the LCD and receive
[2:21:25] consultant support in coming up with an overall engagement plan for the TSP project, as
[2:21:31] well as doing this major equity analysis memo that's required by OAR660.
[2:21:38] So that's what this is for, which, as I said, this is like a, it's the TSP kind of becoming
[2:21:44] reality. We're going to get to update that. So that's good news. With any of that, I'd be happy to
[2:21:51] try to answer any questions you might have.
[2:21:53] All right. Thank you very much. I have a question. I'll open it to Council. So this is also
[2:22:00] all part and parcel with the update we're doing concurrently with the kind of friendly equitable
[2:22:05] communities. Effectually known as CFAC. It's also, well, this also meet our goal on requirements of public
[2:22:13] and involvement in general, or will that be additional work with the TSP?
[2:22:19] Yeah, so the consultant work that we're getting, it is to develop an overall community engagement plan
[2:22:26] for the whole project of updating RTSP, but also looking through inequity lens as required by
[2:22:34] L-A-R-660, and a client from the medical community's rules, so it's a yes and so it's
[2:22:44] not doing the work of having all the meetings and the open houses and how that's going
[2:22:51] to happen in the midst of the TSP. This is coming with that way and that we'll give that
[2:22:56] framework for how we do it. It does. This is your framework for actually doing that work
[2:23:02] when we get into it. Okay, no, that may sense. Any questions from Council?
[2:23:09] All right. Council President George, please put a motion on the table.
[2:23:14] I move the Kaiser City Council, a doctor and solution R2025 authorizing planning director
[2:23:20] to sign an intergovernmental agreement for the City of Kaiser Transportation System Plan
[2:23:25] Community Engagement.
[2:23:27] Second.
[2:23:28] It's my move to the second objective to cause the City Council adopt resolution R-2025, authorizing
[2:23:33] planning, director to sign intergovernmental agreement for a city of Kaiser Transportation
[2:23:37] System Plan Community Engagement.
[2:23:41] Discussion?
[2:23:42] All in favor, sigma by sigma by sigma.
[2:23:45] I, I, opposing sigma by sigma.
[2:23:47] I say no.
[2:23:47] Here in objection, motion passes unanimously.
[2:23:51] Item 8f, which is a resolution, dissolving the personal policy committee.
[2:23:54] We've peeling resolutions R-29-1994 and R-2023-3421.
[2:24:01] See you, Manager.
[2:24:03] Madam Chair.
[2:24:03] Madam Council.
[2:24:04] Thank you, Mr. Resource Director.
[2:24:06] Gary Cleaver.
[2:24:07] Thank you, Mr. Cleaver.
[2:24:10] Mayor City Council the resolution before you resulted from your January 21st, 2025 Council meeting
[2:24:17] in which you discussed Sunsetting Personnel Policy Committee, which is composed of an entirely
[2:24:22] council members.
[2:24:23] and ultimately deciding by consensus to sunset the committee.
[2:24:29] From a timing perspective, there is one item that the
[2:24:32] person on policy committee would have reviewed in that is the
[2:24:36] revisions to the person on policy manual, the
[2:24:38] person on policy manual, that the committee would have put
[2:24:43] eyes on, but ultimately the council would always have to
[2:24:45] approve those specific policies as a whole.
[2:24:49] And with that staff recommends the Kaiser City Council adopt
[2:24:52] the resolution.
[2:24:55] Thank you very much.
[2:24:56] Are there any questions on the staff report or the resolution
[2:25:02] before us?
[2:25:04] Council President Star.
[2:25:05] I move the Secretary of State Council,
[2:25:07] a doctor's resolution R2025,
[2:25:09] dissolving the personal policy committee.
[2:25:12] It's been moved on seconded that the
[2:25:18] personal policy committee. In discussion. So I want to thank everybody who has worked on this over the years.
[2:25:25] It has had various iterations in which it's really done some security work and concurrent with our policies and practices when the workers completed, which is all the committee. So there we go.
[2:25:41] All of favor please signify by saying aye.
[2:25:44] Aye.
[2:25:45] Opposing by by saying no.
[2:25:48] Here in no objection.
[2:25:50] Motion passes unanimously.
[2:25:52] Item 8G as a resolution.
[2:25:55] Amendment the Kaiser Public Arts Commission
[2:25:57] K-PAC Amendmenting Resolution R-2015-2552.
[2:26:02] Repeal of Resolution R-2020-359.
[2:26:06] So the manager.
[2:26:07] Mayor Council, this is an item that the City Council asked the City Attorney to bring back
[2:26:12] the discussion.
[2:26:13] Thank you, Mr. Lindsey.
[2:26:15] Thank you.
[2:26:16] Madam Mayor and Council.
[2:26:18] This is a situation where the Council asked this to return in front of them for February 3rd.
[2:26:25] This was coming out of December 2024, conversations where City Council was asking staff to look at committees
[2:26:34] and try to make them more consistent by removing
[2:26:38] council voting positions, where it wasn't required by statute.
[2:26:43] And so the idea was to have liaisons that don't
[2:26:47] overly influence the committees.
[2:26:50] So that was the ask.
[2:26:51] This was identified as one such committee that has a voting member.
[2:26:55] It was established in 2014.
[2:27:00] And then renamed in 2015.
[2:27:02] and at that time membership consisted of seven voting members and one of those was a Kaiser
[2:27:08] City counselor. So really what would have to happen here is, once this resolution, if
[2:27:14] you pass it, it goes into effect, the council member becomes a non-voting member so then they
[2:27:21] would have six voting members that would have to then appoint another voting member if they
[2:27:32] volunteer-coording committee process.
[2:27:34] All right. Thank you very much. Any questions?
[2:27:38] Come on.
[2:27:39] Sorry.
[2:27:40] You got me doing it.
[2:27:42] Okay.
[2:27:46] If it's deliberation, it'll be after we put the motion on the table.
[2:27:49] If it's not then...
[2:27:50] Mom, we do it part of the deliberation.
[2:27:55] Well, I don't know.
[2:27:58] So, what I would ask is, every two years we go through and determine, we go through and look at all of the committees and make any changes we feel should be made.
[2:28:09] So, what I would ask is, can this resolution be put our next, our next work session, which is next Monday, is doing exactly that.
[2:28:18] It's going to be short term, goals, long term goal planning and review of the committees.
[2:28:22] So, while I don't know if there's going to be any additional changes to the K-PAC resolution,
[2:28:30] I would hate to pass a resolution and then pass it again.
[2:28:33] So, what I'm asking is could this resolution be postponed until the second city council meeting on whatever day that is?
[2:28:43] It's February 10.
[2:28:45] Thank you.
[2:28:45] No, February 10.
[2:28:46] No, February 10 is the worst session in February 18.
[2:28:52] It is a possibility if that is the decision of the council at this point.
[2:28:59] We do have the resolution ready to go to make this change which is something that has been
[2:29:03] requested and is a change in that very specific to how we are doing our city council committees.
[2:29:14] So I mean, it's up to the council if you want to pass it tonight or not, and we can put a motion on the table to debate it and I'll vote it up or down.
[2:29:24] It's depending on your on your preference.
[2:29:27] Councilor Christopher.
[2:29:28] I put a motion on the table that tables it until the next city council meeting on the 18th.
[2:29:37] I'll see if there's a second.
[2:29:39] Sorry.
[2:29:39] It's my move to the second tip that the Kansas City Council table, this agenda item for the next council meeting on February 18th, 2025.
[2:29:52] Discussion.
[2:29:53] Personally, I'd rather just get this part done tonight, so because we know we want to get it done, we've been asking for it to get done if we need to.
[2:30:00] To revisit something else in the, um, in the appendix A, we will have that conversation, but this is something that we can get out of the way and like are the committees and commissions make sure they're correct with the processes that we would like to have in place. So I will not be supporting putting this off, just like to get her done. Councilor, council President Star.
[2:30:24] Thank you, Madam Mayor.
[2:30:25] This is a clarifying question.
[2:30:28] Is this going to change a denim A?
[2:30:34] That's where, so then, if we change anything next Monday,
[2:30:38] we'd have to come back and change it again.
[2:30:41] Right, is there anything that, in looking at that
[2:30:44] and Councillor Cruz for you?
[2:30:45] I don't mean to bypass you, Councillor President Star.
[2:30:48] But in that committee, are there things
[2:30:50] that you are anticipating bringing forward
[2:30:52] for that conversation?
[2:30:54] No, Mayor, I'm not.
[2:30:56] But I don't know what a committee review consists of.
[2:31:01] So I don't know what to anticipate.
[2:31:03] That's why I said, if we can put it off two weeks,
[2:31:06] I end up not that's fine, too.
[2:31:09] So just in general, a committee review is looking
[2:31:12] at is a committee still relevant current
[2:31:15] and is the description of the activities
[2:31:18] that committee still reflect what we need done
[2:31:21] are what they are doing.
[2:31:23] As generally what we go off over in my recollection.
[2:31:27] So, any further discussion?
[2:31:30] Can we restate the motion?
[2:31:32] This specific, can you restate the motion, please?
[2:31:35] Councilor Christopher moved to table
[2:31:37] and died until the next city council meeting
[2:31:40] on February 18, 2020, 25.
[2:31:42] Thank you.
[2:31:44] Anything further?
[2:31:45] All in favor, seeing the public saying aye.
[2:31:48] Opposing.
[2:31:48] Opposing, no.
[2:31:49] No.
[2:31:50] motion passes with the nose are Clark and Parsons.
[2:31:56] Okay, this will be table two February 18th.
[2:32:02] Okay, item eight, eight, discussion,
[2:32:04] item potential postponement of the Community Diversity
[2:32:07] Engagement Committee, C-deck meetings.
[2:32:10] And this is, this was brought by Councillor Colour.
[2:32:20] Thank you, Madam Mayor.
[2:32:23] I've been, I've probably attended more community diversity engagement committee meetings than most of the members of the committee over the life of the committee.
[2:32:35] They usually don't stay for the whole thing, but I'm usually there.
[2:32:40] And one of the questions that somebody asked me the other day, what have been the accomplishments of the committee for that, since we put it together
[2:32:51] was at 2021 or something like that and what are the accomplishments been and I really
[2:32:58] couldn't put them down on paper and then another person said well what was the purpose
[2:33:06] of this committee to begin with? The purpose of the committee was to help bring everyone
[2:33:13] together in the community. For example my neighborhood I have a diverse neighborhood and we
[2:33:20] get along, we all accomplished all kinds of things when we work together. I don't see that
[2:33:25] really happening in this committee right now. And so I just think we need to have a discussion
[2:33:31] on what the goals are, what they're really doing, and does that match what the committee was
[2:33:36] put together for. And then the second is we need to take a look and see because it looks like right
[2:33:44] Now it's turned into a DEI committee, which would be in violation of some of the executive
[2:33:51] orders that have recently happened in the Kiblus Funding.
[2:33:54] So I just think we need to discuss that, revive, evaluate where it is, and where we need
[2:33:59] to go in the future.
[2:34:04] Thank you.
[2:34:05] Mr. Brown, I'm sorry.
[2:34:06] That's okay.
[2:34:07] Okay.
[2:34:08] I want to follow up on a comment made about, because this is the second reference to, you know,
[2:34:14] general actions regarding DEI, the existence of a community diversity engagement committee
[2:34:22] is their anticipation that this is in, that we put our any of our federal funding that we receive, and I don't think it's much at risk.
[2:34:34] I think that's, I think that's, to really, to really say whether that would or not, I mean they're
[2:34:43] having a meeting at the car. This week, to discuss that, and I know we've received
[2:34:54] circulars from the legal work in cities that would talk about that. I haven't heard any
[2:35:00] thing that would we would directly be impacted by, but I think it's to where we
[2:35:05] that taught it predict that. Thank you, Councillor Cross. Thank you, Madam Mayor. I
[2:35:11] actually reached out to Mr. Lindsay this week on that and the information I
[2:35:15] thought from him is, and he can elaborate, is the initial executive orders directly
[2:35:19] impact federal agencies and another is aimed at private section DIA activities.
[2:35:24] Within these, the federal government is also going to start to look at federal
[2:35:27] grantees that spent federal money on DEI activities or programs, because of the new administration
[2:35:32] view that DEI programs activities could violate civil rights and might eventually have federal
[2:35:37] and grantee impacts.
[2:35:38] It would be advisable to distance from that DEI commit.
[2:35:44] So the CDAC is slated to meet on Thursday, February 6.
[2:35:47] It's going to be revised and re-evaluated in February.
[2:35:50] If tasks go our mission or potentially going to change for the committee, it seems more efficient
[2:35:56] cancel the meeting on the 6th?
[2:36:00] Joe, would you like to elaborate?
[2:36:03] My answer to that was of the
[2:36:06] existing executive orders that came down, which I guess another huge question mark is whether
[2:36:14] or not additional executive orders because some get put in place and then they get resented
[2:36:21] or they get challenged and then they get put on hold. Up the two that still remain, one effect
[2:36:27] just specifically federal agencies and the other one, only private institutions, but then within
[2:36:37] the federal agency one, there was some direction that they were starting to do research
[2:36:44] into all levels of government that might be receiving grantees, federal grantees, so anybody
[2:36:53] who's granted money from the federal government as a way of sort of starting to figure out
[2:36:58] who has DEI programs. So Mr. Brown is exactly right in that there's so many more questions
[2:37:06] than answers. And so I was trying to answer your question about what, you know, what
[2:37:12] currently exists, but we could have many more executive orders tomorrow, not that to the mayor's
[2:37:19] point, from other meetings, is why totally speculate about what isn't and go with what
[2:37:25] is.
[2:37:25] So I understand that side of things too, but the notion is that right now there is a potential
[2:37:35] push to try to stray away from, I don't think necessarily the mission, but the nomenclature,
[2:37:46] which is the VEI itself versus actual inclusion or actually trying to go for a diversity
[2:37:56] or actually trying to, you know, have equitable outcomes. I mean, you guys just saw a state grant right now for CPAC,
[2:38:05] which has equity involved. So I don't think in another itself, the mission I don't think as it exists
[2:38:13] is a danger as much to the federal funding as when it gets
[2:38:18] described the EI. That would be my guess.
[2:38:21] Okay, thank you.
[2:38:22] But that's still some speculation.
[2:38:23] Okay, thank you. And follow up.
[2:38:25] So I've just seen, you know, as being the
[2:38:27] Foreign President of the White Mayor in Polk County,
[2:38:30] that we're going away from that. We're using words like
[2:38:32] inclusivity and belonging. So just switching those words
[2:38:35] there would put in my understanding with
[2:38:37] put us in a more neutral place.
[2:38:41] that would be my, I guess, advice based on some speculation.
[2:38:47] Okay, thank you.
[2:38:49] Thank you very much.
[2:38:51] So I've got a question on come, and actually, I think he tells a call.
[2:38:55] But I will hold my question.
[2:38:57] I'm going to see if there's anybody to my left that would like to ask a question.
[2:39:02] because the business star,
[2:39:12] my girlfriend, please, so sorry.
[2:39:19] So what is
[2:39:23] that we are just giving, I think, Mr. Lindsey, are you just asking maybe for
[2:39:32] some time to evaluate what you're seeing come across to help give us direction go forward?
[2:39:43] In that particular instance, I was just answering a question about the executive orders.
[2:39:49] Right, but do you need, I mean are you seeing there, you need time to evaluate those to understand what the level of impact could be?
[2:39:58] Well, yes, understanding those would also mean, and sometimes it takes longer than we would even any of us would like, which is seeing if courts challenge them.
[2:40:08] you know seeing if all sorts of groups come out and so so the evaluation is probably going to take
[2:40:17] a long, long time but what I would think is a stronger position is to change some of the words.
[2:40:27] I know that sounds silly maybe to some and not necessarily change the mission but really kind of
[2:40:38] I mean, I get that. I mean, he had a scared, just in my personal work, my freight with some of the orders that came out.
[2:40:49] So I get it.
[2:40:54] Does Christopher do anything?
[2:40:57] I have, I have no desire to indefinitely pause, see deck. However, I hear what you're saying.
[2:41:07] And again, we have a work session next Monday where we're going to do committee review.
[2:41:14] And that could include changing titles,
[2:41:18] Norman Claycher, if you think that that would be helpful to allow that committee to continue to do the work there,
[2:41:26] that they're doing with a different name,
[2:41:28] I would ask that if we are going to postpone it,
[2:41:34] Let's postpone it until and if the same with the resolution that's on here.
[2:41:42] I would ask the same thing that I asked of K-PAC, and that is, let us get to the work session
[2:41:47] where we can make any changes that we think are needed to be made and then come back the next
[2:41:53] city council meeting. That's what I would ask.
[2:41:57] Councillor Durran,
[2:42:00] so I'm going to go to Councillor Parsons and I've got something I'll come
[2:42:04] back to, Councillor Polar.
[2:42:07] Okay, thank you, Madam Mayor.
[2:42:09] This committee was formed after I got off City Council the last time, so I'm just still
[2:42:14] learning about what's going on in the mission.
[2:42:17] I understand that there was a work session that was cancelled recently.
[2:42:22] I really think that that is an important thing that needs to be done, because I think it's
[2:42:28] separate from the committee things, because I think there's much more involved here.
[2:42:33] So I really think that we should keep going, have a work session figured out, we have to
[2:42:39] change names, change word, whatever, and do it that way.
[2:42:43] I mean, I don't think we should pause it.
[2:42:46] I mean this is a separate whole big thing bigger than the arts pack and all that's not, that's my two cents.
[2:42:54] I'll come back to you, Councillor Colour.
[2:42:57] Thank you, Councillor Parsons.
[2:42:58] That's where I was going.
[2:42:59] I think we need to do this in collaboration with and talk with.
[2:43:03] Listen to the Community Diversity Engagement Committee.
[2:43:05] We've had more sessions with that committee before.
[2:43:09] And I think that masking the committee to continue their work and add to their agenda for this week
[2:43:15] to look at what their recommendations are, so we have even more information going to possibly
[2:43:21] our work session, but I would really discourage us from stopping their work, and I would
[2:43:29] also discourage us from making decisions outside of a joint work session with the Community
[2:43:35] Diversity Engagement Committee as it stands right now.
[2:43:38] I think that if we try to have that conversation just as a council in a work session, without
[2:43:46] including the entire committee and do it jointly like we did last year, I think we are, we
[2:43:51] heard loud and clear tonight from members of our community, members of the committee, that
[2:43:56] this needs to continue, our work needs to continue, they are already working on definitions,
[2:44:02] If already been on to Councillor Colors' question, we had the Community Diversity Engagement Committee
[2:44:08] look at our Neighbor Dissociations structure.
[2:44:11] We have them go and review and they are now visiting Neighbor Dissociations on a regular basis
[2:44:16] for the engagement part of their mission.
[2:44:20] They also did a thorough review of the traffic management program, a program that was
[2:44:28] out of the last century into this century this decade in a huge leap and their input was
[2:44:35] valuable in assessing that with the lens from the CDC.
[2:44:39] Those are just two examples of where we've been able to engage with more voices at the table.
[2:44:45] And I would really strongly urge us to not pause this committee.
[2:44:49] I believe it is too early to change anything.
[2:44:54] and then ask the committee itself to help us make recommendations and then get that work set.
[2:45:00] On the on our schedule, in as soon as possible. So, that's where I really think we would need to go to listen to the people we've heard from tonight.
[2:45:10] Councillor Colour.
[2:45:12] Thank you, Madam Mayor.
[2:45:14] It's interesting when this committee was first put together.
[2:45:19] Mr. Day was real Councillor Day was real adamant that we need to be careful of what the purpose of the committee was.
[2:45:28] The purpose of the committee was to engage the community and help bring everybody
[2:45:33] in together like in my neighborhood at home where we have diverse community
[2:45:39] community, we all get together, we work together, we accomplish a lot of good
[2:45:43] things. That was the purpose of this committee and he said specifically we
[2:45:49] don't need a DEI committee, we need a committee that will help bring our
[2:45:53] community together. I think the reason that we need to
[2:45:56] to take a look at what's going on, I think that it's been turned into a DEI committee and I think we're losing the purpose of what's going on in our community.
[2:46:07] When I go out and I talk to people and ask them, what do you want in our community?
[2:46:12] What would you like this? We'd like that. I'm not seeing that committee accomplish those things.
[2:46:19] So that's why I think we need to re-value where they aren't what they're doing and where we need to go forward.
[2:46:24] Kind of sort of a clarifying question.
[2:46:28] How is the community diversity engagement committee, a quote, DEI committee, can you
[2:46:33] help me understand that?
[2:46:36] We'll look at the mission that's there, and what they just put out, that's their definitions
[2:46:41] for DEI, that's where I get that.
[2:46:47] I'm so confused.
[2:46:49] Diversity engagement, we have a statement of values that we have since the City Council passed
[2:46:54] for Justice Equity, Diversity, Inclusion, and thus the guiding document behind the outreach
[2:47:02] that we are looking for through the Community Diversity Engagement Committee.
[2:47:08] So I still don't understand what a DEI committee is versus what we are doing here with
[2:47:16] our Community Diversity Engagement.
[2:47:18] I'm confused.
[2:47:20] really
[2:47:24] start. So when justice is based on what color you are versus let's go
[2:47:33] out and work together and do things that's when I think that if justice is the
[2:47:40] whole big thing that's that's a DEI committee rather than when somebody comes in
[2:47:45] and says there's not enough people on the council that look like me therefore we
[2:47:50] change this. If somebody wants to be on the council and they want to be involved in things,
[2:47:56] they want to be in committees and they want to work on our council and be on our council and be
[2:48:01] elected, great, I have no problem with that. I think that anybody that wants to be involved in our
[2:48:08] city government, whether it be committees or on the council or in the other way, should be able
[2:48:15] do that. I have no problem at all with that. But when we have to say, oh, we have to have
[2:48:21] this many people of this race or this, this or that, the other thing, then we're missing
[2:48:27] what we're looking for. So thank you. One more follow up. Have any recommendations come out of
[2:48:47] You know, a quotas, which is why heard you say, have there been any quota type of recommendations?
[2:48:55] I haven't heard that from the committee that I heard from different members.
[2:49:00] My question was, has the committee made recommendations regarding quotas of any type?
[2:49:07] I haven't heard an official statement from the committee about a lot of things, but that's not one that I have heard.
[2:49:13] Thank you.
[2:49:17] So at this point is there a desire to put a motion on the table or to put this off and have a work joint work session with the community diversity engagement committee.
[2:49:40] Does somebody want to put a motion on the table or regarding whether or not the committee should meet or would like to direct that we schedule a work session with the committee as soon as possible?
[2:49:54] I'll make a motion that way you schedule work session with the committee as soon as possible to put it all together for us.
[2:50:01] Looking for a second?
[2:50:03] Yes.
[2:50:04] As a member.
[2:50:06] Microphone.
[2:50:09] Second.
[2:50:10] Thank you.
[2:50:11] It's the move by Councillor Parsons, second by Councillor Christopher, to schedule a work session with
[2:50:16] the committee to proceed engagement committee as soon as possible.
[2:50:20] Any further discussion?
[2:50:22] Councillor Cross.
[2:50:23] Thank you.
[2:50:23] I guess it's a bit for you, Councillor Parsons.
[2:50:26] So was that motion just, do we have a date for the work session?
[2:50:33] Or was just when the work session is like January,
[2:50:36] 2026?
[2:50:38] Okay, what's the date for the work session?
[2:50:40] That counts.
[2:50:41] What the things around?
[2:50:42] I mean, if we want to get this stuff done and we want diversity committee,
[2:50:47] or see diversity engagement committee to feel heard,
[2:50:50] then let's get it done and push stuff out.
[2:50:52] Let's get done.
[2:50:53] If they're not feeling like we're doing stuff,
[2:50:54] Let's get it pushed through.
[2:50:57] Thank you.
[2:50:58] And I would agree that's why in the motion is said as soon as possible.
[2:51:02] But so can we get it on the date?
[2:51:03] Well, once soon as possible, it's a lot of things.
[2:51:05] I understand that once we have voted on this,
[2:51:09] we can work with our city recorder to find open dates.
[2:51:13] And we can get that done.
[2:51:15] But it's not, I think, as soon as possible,
[2:51:18] is something that we can work on once we pass.
[2:51:21] Once we take action on this motion,
[2:51:23] Councillor Krista, for just asking, could we postpone the goal-setting work session and do the
[2:51:36] CDEC work session with CDEC next Monday?
[2:51:44] Because I believe there is a sense of urgency.
[2:51:47] I believe we should, and I know it's important to set goals as well, I'm just asking.
[2:51:53] What I would do is I would ask that we work with our city recorder to find a mutually
[2:51:59] agreeable date for because not just the seven of us it's also the committee as well
[2:52:05] and we're going to work with them on that to get that schedule.
[2:52:08] So as soon as possible is that possible part so is it that is possible if that date worked
[2:52:16] that we could do that I guess that's what I'm asking there that would be an option if the
[2:52:20] Council wishes that to be an option for consideration,
[2:52:25] input it out out to the committee, then that can be an option.
[2:52:29] I'm going to go to Council President Star.
[2:52:31] I'll come back to Councilor Cross.
[2:52:33] Thank you, Madam Mayor.
[2:52:36] When we were back in, I think it was just December
[2:52:41] when the council rules were on the agenda,
[2:52:46] you made a really good point about pausing the work
[2:52:51] until Councillor Parsons was at the table.
[2:52:55] So I think my question that just occurred to me
[2:52:58] as I'm listening to this and we've heard from some
[2:53:01] of our current committee members, where are we at,
[2:53:06] and maybe this isn't the right venue, but where are we at
[2:53:10] getting a full committee member of waitments.
[2:53:19] So we just moved that down the agenda.
[2:53:22] Okay, so I just want to make sure, like, when we're having the conversation
[2:53:26] about setting this work session that we're not, that that's, we don't do that.
[2:53:32] So thank you.
[2:53:32] Thank you.
[2:53:34] And we have two minutes.
[2:53:37] Any further discussion?
[2:53:40] Council cross.
[2:53:40] So follow up, I just want to be on the record that hopefully we can push this out and I'm in support of changing our work session and making it a see that work session.
[2:53:50] I'm looking at your territory.
[2:53:54] And again, we're going to have to coordinate with the members as well.
[2:53:58] So there are 14 schedules to look at.
[2:54:01] All right.
[2:54:02] Any further discussion?
[2:54:04] All in favour?
[2:54:06] I'm sorry.
[2:54:07] I don't know.
[2:54:09] Ms. Bishop, would you please restate the motion on the floor?
[2:54:12] Councillor Persons moved to schedule of work session with the CDEC as soon as possible.
[2:54:17] Okay. That is the motion on the table. Thank you. Anything further? All in favour?
[2:54:22] Please signify by saying aye. Aye. Opposed signify by saying no. Motion passes unanimously.
[2:54:30] Let's go to item. We are at 9 o'clock. We now need to decide if we are going to finish the agenda
[2:54:38] or if we're going to push these out to February 3rd, so we haven't finished item 8.
[2:54:45] Okay.
[2:54:46] 18th.
[2:54:46] Yes.
[2:54:46] Today is February 3rd.
[2:54:50] And with that, so remaining on the agenda are items I5A, J, and then the Council consent calendar,
[2:55:00] and then agenda input.
[2:55:01] So, we would need a motion to either push these out to February 18 or to conclude the agenda.
[2:55:13] I move to move these items to February 18.
[2:55:20] The move to move to February 18.
[2:55:24] I would like to point out that the appointment of the committee members would then be pushed off to February 18.
[2:55:32] because that is five A is after I and so it happens on the day.
[2:55:39] So if we could, I know it's been moved and seconded, may I ask for an amendment to give
[2:55:47] us another 15 minutes to proceed with the agenda. If the mover would accept that change.
[2:55:54] Yes.
[2:55:56] It's a second of accept the change.
[2:55:58] That would be wonderful.
[2:56:00] All right.
[2:56:00] So it's been moved in a second of the College City Council continue the work for an additional
[2:56:05] 15 minutes.
[2:56:07] All of everything to five by saying aye.
[2:56:10] I'm posting Vapisigno.
[2:56:13] 15 more minutes to this.
[2:56:16] Let's go to item eight.
[2:56:18] I'm sorry.
[2:56:21] Eight.
[2:56:22] Which is resolution?
[2:56:30] I
[2:56:36] think this is the one we just moved on.
[2:56:42] This is just a point of clarification.
[2:56:45] This is the one regarding changing the composition of the committee.
[2:56:52] And there are two sections of this.
[2:56:55] One is to change the council positions from to voting to one non voting.
[2:57:04] And the other consideration is to change the appointment process from as it is now through an appointment to a term to making it an appointment of council with the two year cycle.
[2:57:19] And that's what I understand is in this committee, in this agenda item.
[2:57:27] Do I have that correct?
[2:57:28] I thought we had, or the Council had, determined in with previous item age that they would
[2:57:40] not change the meeting of the CBC.
[2:57:45] That is correct.
[2:57:46] And then item I had to deal with the terms, and then the, I think, with the one that's important for Councillor Persons was to actually declare appointments from Councillor members to it.
[2:58:03] I understand. The current order of the agenda is to go to eight, eight, eight, eight, and then five, eight will come after that.
[2:58:13] because we need to conclude the work of Section 85 first in the order of the agenda.
[2:58:22] So this one is to look at the resolution R-2021, 3225.
[2:58:30] And this was brought forward again under other business.
[2:58:35] I asked that we look at changing the two voting counselors to one non-voting liaison.
[2:58:41] and then CalSacris for us that we include changing the appointment process from what we have now
[2:58:49] where an appointment is made for a term where then would be concurrent with council positions
[2:58:57] and that we've got changed in our rules of procedure at the last meeting.
[2:59:02] So Madam Mayor and Council,
[2:59:06] the State Attorney prepared the Staff Report for this item,
[2:59:10] but I will also maybe suggest that as you did with the previous committee to wait
[2:59:17] told, I was discussed amongst the committees, but that's the Council's pleasure.
[2:59:23] And Mr. Lindsey has the Staff Report.
[2:59:25] Okay,
[2:59:28] I might have kind of done it.
[2:59:29] What? Oh, you absolutely did. This was just an item that the Council asked in again, sort of, the similar vein of trying to bring out consistency in the committees is this committee, the Council thought and gave me direction to treat more like the VCC in terms of the way of this structure is of the appointment process and remove the two voting members.
[2:59:59] Thank you very much.
[3:00:04] And then the terms would coincide with terms of councillors so that it would be a better marriage of when people get replaced or re-appointed, because it isn't all just replaced when it's all.
[3:00:20] questions council I'm going to go council president star and then I'll go to council
[3:00:24] persons. Thank you, Madam Mayor. This is I just want to clarify that we just
[3:00:30] voted to not do the resolution for the earth's commission until after we do the
[3:00:39] committee review. Correct. I'm just trying to stay with us here. So why would we not do
[3:00:47] the same thing here and review before we make a change.
[3:00:54] And I, it's a step to council at this point.
[3:00:57] I just need to be sure of tracking.
[3:00:59] And to your point, this was brought forward as per council request.
[3:01:04] And given the, the prior action on eight,
[3:01:11] the, Mr. Brown makes a good point that this could be part of the work session with the community
[3:01:16] The first engagement committee and I think I just, my melted with Councillor Parsons.
[3:01:21] You did. That's what I was going to say.
[3:01:23] All right, so what she said, can I make that?
[3:01:27] Would you like to make that motion?
[3:01:29] Oh, if you, I don't know. I'll give up my very passion.
[3:01:32] I'm so free to friendly amend anything that I.
[3:01:36] I move that we,
[3:01:40] table item 8i until after we do the committee review,
[3:01:52] which is now pending on when we
[3:01:55] do the work session with the CDC committee.
[3:02:03] No.
[3:02:03] Oh my God.
[3:02:04] This is my issue.
[3:02:05] May I next?
[3:02:07] Yes.
[3:02:10] May I next?
[3:02:11] I would look for a motion to table this pending through joint work session with the community
[3:02:18] for St. Kageman Committee.
[3:02:20] That's perfect.
[3:02:21] So, is that what you like to move?
[3:02:23] Yes.
[3:02:23] That's what I want to move.
[3:02:24] Thank you.
[3:02:25] And who would like to second that?
[3:02:27] Also.
[3:02:28] Council portions will second.
[3:02:30] Thank you very much.
[3:02:31] Any further discussion?
[3:02:34] All in favor, please say goodbye by saying aye.
[3:02:36] Aye.
[3:02:37] Aye.
[3:02:37] Opposed.
[3:02:37] And if I may say no, no objection, motion passes unanimously.
[3:02:44] Okay, five, a, which is the appointments.
[3:02:48] So the current rules of procedure are that the counselors make appointments in the two-year
[3:02:58] rather than the current process where you have people already appointed and in midterm,
[3:03:05] either one year or two years or three years in or in my case I still don't have a use member.
[3:03:13] But the rules don't really give leeway for that.
[3:03:17] As I understand it, that is something that we need to make those appointments.
[3:03:22] Am I interpreting that correctly?
[3:03:25] Mr. Lindsey, I'm looking for little guidance here.
[3:03:29] I'm sorry, can you repeat that really fast?
[3:03:32] Really fast?
[3:03:34] Okay, I will shorten that up.
[3:03:37] What are the rules?
[3:03:38] Tell us we need to do now regarding the appointments for the Community Diversity Engagement Committee.
[3:03:43] Okay, so your most recent rules that you just passed are for a two-year term, but the process
[3:03:52] is still the same because the process under the resolution that controls the CDC and
[3:04:02] itself has the same, as it always had, which is the same membership and the same terms of
[3:04:11] that membership and the same appointment process.
[3:04:15] So for clarification, that the phrase for Council Member of Pointless VIA Council, these
[3:04:21] rules have preceded any individual resolutions relating to specific committees, that's a
[3:04:26] rather broad statement.
[3:04:28] What does that mean in this context?
[3:04:30] Well, I thought it meant at the time that that was simply for all of the resolutions when they talked about the mayor being the appointee of the Council position that it was going to the rules were going to supersede all of those resolutions so we didn't have to change every single resolution as to the maneuver of making the Council the person who are the entity that appoints to
[3:04:58] Counselors, too, counsel, liaison positions. That was my understanding, but I could be wrong because you
[3:05:05] The what's in your crisis heads is more important than what's in my head in terms of how you legislate
[3:05:11] I'm just like figure out what face and what it says. We've got to doubt what what got adopted is what it says
[3:05:16] Okay, so
[3:05:18] Intentionality
[3:05:19] Is nice, but I'm reading the rules as they were adopted. This is the language that got put in and it got approved
[3:05:27] I'm trying to understand what we are supposed to do here at this point based on the rules
[3:05:33] that were passed.
[3:05:34] I do not have the answer.
[3:05:35] I believe that my memory of the work session where this got brought up on the 18th was
[3:05:43] that the language was trying to get to making sure that all of the resolutions as they stated
[3:05:50] that the mayor was going to point the liaison were that language was being superseded by that
[3:05:55] take it or move but not the not the appointees of the council members and things like that from
[3:06:04] on VCC or on CDCC. So the resolutions governing those two committees are not impacted by the
[3:06:14] not shall be superseded. That's my understanding. Okay that's not how I read it but I will go with
[3:06:25] the direction of the group.
[3:06:28] So at this point,
[3:06:31] then, let me go.
[3:06:33] Councillor Colour.
[3:06:35] Thank you, Madam Mayor.
[3:06:36] Thank you, thank you.
[3:06:38] Just a quick clarification, so if we pass this tonight,
[3:06:43] then we would need to declare our members just like we do on the VCC tonight.
[3:06:49] We've passed what?
[3:06:52] We just table the resolution to work session.
[3:06:58] So what we're working on right now is two things.
[3:07:04] What we're working on are the rules of procedure,
[3:07:06] and the resolution is established in the CDC.
[3:07:10] In my brain, they are in conflict.
[3:07:14] So sub to you guys, what you want to do with it,
[3:07:16] Because what I read is that the rules of procedure supersede the CDC committee.
[3:07:24] That is up to you guys to interpret it that way or not.
[3:07:31] I just don't understand.
[3:07:32] Councillor Colour, follow up.
[3:07:34] Thank you, Madam Mayor.
[3:07:35] My understanding is that what we were trying to do was have the CDC committee members appointed just the way we have the
[3:07:47] VCC members appointed so that the beginning of every two years we would
[3:07:52] restate who our person is whether it's the same or a new person. And that was
[3:07:59] my understanding is what we were trying to do. Is that not correct? That's what I
[3:08:05] read in the council rules of procedure. So then follow up on that then. So if we
[3:08:11] to ask this diversity engagement committee appointments, and we would need to pre-state who our members are.
[3:08:24] That's what...
[3:08:26] Can I just start? Can I...
[3:08:28] I hope it doesn't start.
[3:08:30] Can we do what we did with just table this conversation until after we do our committee review that we're supposed to do every two years?
[3:08:42] which I think is what we did with the resolution regarding the appointment for the Public Arts Commission.
[3:08:52] Yes, okay. So I think we, number one, we've been meeting, we, nothing, I think Councilor
[3:09:01] Crosses and I think it happens after 9 o'clock. I think we already made the motion or that
[3:09:08] moved the review or the resolution for the Arts Commission until after, we do our committee review and I think this needs to follow the same.
[3:09:19] The same process. I agree with what Attorney Lindsey said, Mr. Lindsey, said about what his understanding was.
[3:09:28] And so instead of trying to muddle through this,
[3:09:33] I think that we just do this after as part of our committee
[3:09:39] review process,
[3:09:43] I just think we need to do that.
[3:09:46] I'm just keeping everything.
[3:09:47] Instead of doing one off here, one off there,
[3:09:50] we need to do all of the committee reviews together,
[3:09:53] that we were going to do and move forward.
[3:09:57] or pick it up after we do the reviews.
[3:10:02] I understand that part with the reviews, the motion that we just passed was to have this
[3:10:07] conversation with the Community Diversity Engagement Committee itself, whether recommendation.
[3:10:12] And we'll be doing reviews, but the current rules are, do we have appointments to that committee,
[3:10:19] which is going back to 5A, to make sure that we have appointments filled.
[3:10:25] And I heard from Mr. Lindsey that we do, and so I think we just have our work session here
[3:10:33] what they have to say do our counselor review and then do everything all together when it
[3:10:39] if it comes if we need to make any changes. Does everybody have an appointee at this
[3:10:43] point? I do. I don't. Okay. That was my question. I think I do. We don't have not
[3:10:52] everybody has an appointee, so that's the issue right here.
[3:10:54] Because we didn't know what we were going to do.
[3:10:57] So we, I have one that, because her term is not up to a 20 till the end of the year.
[3:11:02] Right.
[3:11:02] I can't appoint.
[3:11:03] I do.
[3:11:04] But because I already appoint it, re-appointed her.
[3:11:07] Last month.
[3:11:08] I have so confused.
[3:11:10] I'm sorry.
[3:11:11] I'm sorry.
[3:11:11] I'm sorry.
[3:11:12] So we don't have a full-becing thing.
[3:11:15] I have a CDC committee to have a joint session with.
[3:11:20] Right.
[3:11:21] We don't make those appointments today.
[3:11:24] So if we are, and this is the rules of procedure
[3:11:28] and the actual resolution, they are different.
[3:11:32] And it was past last week or two weeks ago,
[3:11:36] but we do have people who are currently serving
[3:11:39] on the committee, and they are the need of Picasso,
[3:11:41] Tamikon, Stephanie Cross, a Karadad Brown,
[3:11:45] Jane Ticino, those five plus counselors,
[3:11:52] So we have two vacancies under the current structure that is for Councillor Christopher and for myself and under our current structure, if we're not looking at this council rules of procedure, but we're looking at the resolution, I'm supposed to appoint a youth member.
[3:12:11] Look at the council rules of procedure, I just have to appoint somebody and not necessarily your youth.
[3:12:19] So, I'm foreign to out there,
[3:12:25] the rules of procedure were adopted as they are.
[3:12:28] So, what did you mean by them?
[3:12:33] I can't answer that because I don't know.
[3:12:37] Councillor Cross.
[3:12:39] Thank you, Madam Mayor.
[3:12:39] I'm just going to point out, it's about nine, seven, ten right now.
[3:12:43] So if somebody wants, I'm not going to vote to extend this meeting if I want to table it because we are getting that last 15 minutes, we are getting done.
[3:12:52] In my opinion.
[3:12:55] Well I don't either.
[3:12:56] I'm sitting between them.
[3:12:58] So the thing is that at this point we still have two vacancies.
[3:13:02] Councillor Chris, for do you have anybody to recommend for the committee at this point?
[3:13:06] I've talked with someone but I didn't know what to term of.
[3:13:09] I was going to get past committee review so that I could tell them what that entailed and so
[3:13:16] I have not confirmed it, but yes, I have talked with someone.
[3:13:20] So you don't have anybody to not make that a matter of mayors?
[3:13:23] And I do not have any student letters at this point, so I've been
[3:13:32] to your phone night, please.
[3:13:34] It's blinding.
[3:13:36] Thank you.
[3:13:44] So yeah, I'm still waiting for letters from students so I can interview for that position as well and that's still in progress.
[3:13:53] So if we're going to go with the process that we are using right now is still the original and not the one in their council rules of procedure,
[3:14:03] I need you guys to agree that that's the direction we're going right now, because this is not in compliance with our rules of procedure.
[3:14:12] That's why I'm stuck.
[3:14:16] Councilor Christopher.
[3:14:18] I don't feel, I don't feel honest talking with my candidate till I know what it's going to be.
[3:14:26] And so, and I know the direction of Council was to establish it, for example, when Councillor Parsons was elected, at some point, this committee, this committee is only three years old, is that correct?
[3:14:43] So, at that point, when you set it up to have each Councillor put someone on that committee, they didn't run with the Council terms,
[3:14:53] It has what made it so confusing and for councilor Parsons when she was elected, she already had someone.
[3:15:00] That position, so she was not able to act. So I think those things need to be clarified first before we make those appointments.
[3:15:09] We have five individuals on there right now. Let's meet with those five individuals in the work session.
[3:15:16] There are the folks that have been there for three years. Is that right here the longest you've been three years?
[3:15:22] Yeah, so let's meet with those five individuals have the work session and determine where we're going and then we can make our appointments.
[3:15:33] That's what I would do. I don't know how you get there but that's what I would do.
[3:15:38] Okay, so is the consensus of council at this point to leave things as they are and then abide by the rules of procedure at a later date.
[3:15:48] Okay, I just want to be clear.
[3:15:51] Well,
[3:15:56] it's all right.
[3:15:58] Let's then look at.
[3:15:59] And I know we only said 15 minutes.
[3:16:01] We do have a consent calendar.
[3:16:03] And there's a contract in there.
[3:16:09] There was a contract in the consent calendar.
[3:16:11] Would you be willing to go ahead with the consent calendar to get this done?
[3:16:15] Okay.
[3:16:16] Anybody object to the consent calendar?
[3:16:18] Council President Star.
[3:16:19] The consent calendar reads item eight, approval of January 6, 2025, regular session minutes.
[3:16:29] Item B, approval of the January 18th, 2025, work session minutes.
[3:16:34] And item C, resolution authorizing the Finance Director to enter into an agreement with Stone Security for milestone care premium support services.
[3:16:44] Thank you. I'm going to pull 9B and we will bump that to the next council meeting.
[3:16:53] There are some corrections.
[3:16:57] Any other polls? Council President Star.
[3:17:03] I move that we approve the consent calendar items A and C.
[3:17:07] Second.
[3:17:08] A and consent calendar items A and C have been moved
[3:17:12] and seconded.
[3:17:13] All in favor, please signify by saying aye.
[3:17:16] All right.
[3:17:16] Opposed to divide by saying no, no objection.
[3:17:20] Motion passes unanimously.
[3:17:22] Just for the records, our next meetings will be Monday,
[3:17:26] February 10, starting at 6 p.m.
[3:17:28] that will be our goal-setting work session
[3:17:30] review of forced committees and commissions
[3:17:32] and the proclamation list.
[3:17:35] Our next council meeting will be on February 18.
[3:17:37] at 6 p.m. that is a Tuesday because of the President's day of holiday, and that on Monday
[3:17:43] February 24th we will meet at 6 p.m. a long-range flying task force, and this visit will work
[3:17:49] with our counsel and the CTEC to schedule a work session as soon as possible. We will forgo our
[3:17:57] memory course staff updates for the evening, but I do want double check, there's no other business.
[3:18:03] There's one for Mrs. Kelts.
[3:18:04] Thank you.
[3:18:05] Madam Mayor.
[3:18:06] Madam Mayor.
[3:18:06] Mr. Lindsey.
[3:18:07] Thank you.
[3:18:08] So as part of this item, Jay, I brought forward.
[3:18:15] And I would like to make that a part of the record so that it's been
[3:18:19] at a public meeting so that I can make it part of a staff report for next time.
[3:18:22] Thank you.
[3:18:23] Okay.
[3:18:25] That's all I have.
[3:18:27] Okay, the time is 9.23 and we are adjourned.