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New evening, busy day, it's all in a lot of people voting. That's very exciting. I'd have to see everyone else vote. We're starting tonight, the final clock meeting, typically with work session, but we're going to do a joint meeting with our awesome park and recreation board.

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So we have about 45 minutes ish to kind of hear from y'all and get your input, but I know I speak for colleagues on city council when we say thank you very much for being here. Carving time out of here today. Thanks for everything we do.

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Um, we really appreciate it. The, um, I'll just really briefly say, uh, I'm gonna talk to

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much because from my perspective, at the whole purpose of us meeting is honestly to hear

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from you. I guess not for us to talk at you, or even to like a, like a, back and forth. It's

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literally just to hear your perspective. So that way we can best inform ourselves of the council,

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we rely heavily on your feedback or expertise and what you do. So when I look at the youth sports

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discussion, big picture, I think it's discussed the killer sports authority but I think that's

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part of the picture really the big picture isn't so much the sports authority. The city council

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at a strategic meeting, was it June?

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June?

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June?

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Time flies.

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Where does strategic meeting in the question presented as a council was, how do we elevate

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the programming around these sports?

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We have a lot of kind of documentation on opportunities to address and improve the programming.

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But I, you know, just speaking for myself as a dad and a coach, a particular, I look at it as who are we here to serve, right?

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We're all here to serve parents, families and kids.

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We wanted to be a community focused, family from the conversation.

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And so I'm personally most interested, and I think it would make sense to kind of go along the room.

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And here your idea is on how you think we could help the families and the kids and help improve those opportunities.

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Because when you look at it from an insular like inside town hall conversation, what board committee, that's part of it.

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That's a very important component.

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But we're a local reason we're sitting here and talking about these sports because we all agree as a city council.

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And I know you agree as well, not speaking for anyone, but I know as a Parks and Recreation Board, you agree that

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Any opportunity we have to elevate the programming, quality of life around such a significant

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portion of our community, you should seize that.

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So if you have ideas, maybe even a crazy idea that you haven't said to anyone and you

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want to throw it out there and now it's the time.

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I don't think there's a bad idea and so that's all I really wanted to say.

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It's not so much about sports authority this, parks and recreation board that at least

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for me, it's where the idea is to move color forward, particularly in this case as a relates

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to use for its programming.

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We don't start any of our meaningful conversations without the cowboy, let's say you counsel

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joining us.

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Councillor Wally, how are you?

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Thank you, Mr. Mayor.

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I'm very grateful.

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Thank you.

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I apologize for my charge.

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No, you're okay.

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So does that make sense?

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Good to go.

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Okay.

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I don't know who wants to start, not pick on anyone, but maybe Caitlin, you want to?

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Can I refer to the end, I feel that I've filed this advantage because that's not with my colleagues in the creation of these parts.

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So I'm scared of that.

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I was not supposed to, so if I could refer and delay.

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Sure.

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Yeah.

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Absolutely.

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Think.

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If you guys could frame a little bit more.

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Since we have a tight time frame, so there's a 45 minute clock on this, right?

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So if you could take it one step further.

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Since we need this a rare opportunity to get a joint session with Council Sue, we want to make the most of it.

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So if you could maybe further articulate what your objectives are specifically from an outcome of perspective for tonight.

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You know, what would you, I know you would like to hear some thoughts related to, you know,

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We have the subcommittees that we have that model that we've followed on the part 40.

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We take on different assets.

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So we had a sports park, subcommittee and we can give you some feedback from that group in relation

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to some of the things that we've heard related to sports authority and how that works.

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But if there's something other than the sports authority,

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topically that you want to cover in this joint session, then if you get this sort of frame

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that for us, so we don't get off the task.

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Yeah, at least for me, and this was kind of what we stated as a city council.

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It's literally to just get your ideas and your input on the Youth Sports Program space.

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So it could be...

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So what does success look like, which is what you're asking Felix?

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It's literally you providing...

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Your feedback and your thoughts and your ideas us. That's success. You know, how the city council decides to move forward, you know, we will rely on that feedback.

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So there's not really a right-wrong answer. I'll just tell you, I have impressed personally to do a better job articulating my why.

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And part of this, I try to be really, like, really polite, especially when we're in this building and maintaining a certain level of decorum.

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But I've just seen some really problematic issues in our youth sports community.

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I've seen extremely racist behavior with coaches and referees.

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I've experienced and seen really abusive coaching that have been perpetuated over time.

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I've seen families disenfranchised on a routine basis while our associations ignore their violence.

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It's all kind of held back because I view this as such a great opportunity

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To bring the community together and talk about opportunities to really enhance programming

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and quality life for families, so I think it's a fiery language and sometimes it sounds

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like I'm talking in circles, I'm sure, but at the end of the day for me, what's success

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like is a dad and a coach is making sure that we provide excellence in our programming,

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however you measure that and really it's going to be a sport by sport discussion, you know,

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are not the same.

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And so we're going to have to do no matter what,

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how we get there in my mind anyway.

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We're going to have to do a really deep dive

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on each of these sports and opportunities

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to improve the trophy.

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That can be schedules, practice locations,

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team formation, coaching, improvement.

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We also have to parse out what is the city's role

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and responsibility in this, right?

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And so I think the heart of that currently today

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as you know, as well as anyone Felix and Jay and Tom in particular, is we have contracts with

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these associations. So how do we embed, first of all, we develop those expectations and then

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how do we embed those expectations in the contracts themselves? Is that help?

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Are we operating as a landowner and a amenity owner?

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That's how you would define the city?

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Yes sir.

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Pardon and Stuart.

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Yes sir.

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So I think starting at that and creating a framework,

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I think the thing that unites sort of all of us in the room

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is that we all want to put a better product out there for use sports.

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I think we're all agree that we want to improve use sports in the experience for everyone,

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and that are what level of sport that they're playing no matter what sport they're in in the city of California.

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So I think we're all united in that objective.

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I think that there's been a lot of talk about how to get one thing if you go back from the

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Historically, as a park board we have, you know, we've asked Council to give us the opportunity to take on more responsibility to get a little more granular to, and that's where the subcommittee idea was born out of that, where we could go a little deeper, you know, the idea of the committees of three, so we're not violating Thomas, so we can go deep on a subject matter, do the research, go out and meet outside of our, you know, out of our, a lot of meeting times on a monthly basis, and we could do research and work as a team, too.

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to take the time to go deep and research subject matter, bring it back to the park board, make recommendations to park board KVC and ultimately to council related to matters of policy and the construct of different things that we're doing.

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So the sport park was one of those subcommittees you've seen other committees on trails and Johnson Root Park and some of the other great work that our team has done over the years.

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That's been a process to get those opportunities throughout the years from the first year that I was on the park board we met four times in that entire year.

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So the last time, one of the things that in anticipation of the sports park being developed in the expansion of the park and knowing that we had work to do with these associations and the quality of the work product that was there in the offering that we had available in the city.

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As we said, you know, we wanted to take on these agreements, they have been updated for years.

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And we thought this is something we need to address.

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We also saw an opportunity, because we knew, it's kind of one of those if you build it, they're going to come.

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There's going to be more demand on that park.

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There's going to be an opportunity to expand the opportunity to, you know, maybe rent it, turn it in,

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those type of things.

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Things that didn't exist before.

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We didn't have rent those before.

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We didn't have turns before.

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So we wanted to get in front of that.

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then so your predecessor said go for it, you know, go ahead and write those agreements, take those on and which we will

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That opportunity in that task. So in effort to do that, we went in and we went deep. We went to the β, we went to the β, almost all of the, yeah, that guy.

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Yeah that guy. That guy.

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So we went deep on that, we studied that we looked at other cities, we looked at everything from the fee structures and, you know,

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practices from others to come up with some recommendations that we have made throughout, you know,

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over the last couple of years really, and work together with staff. And so, you know, you've seen

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those in pieces and parts that we've made recommendations for council and to others. And so that,

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you know, I don't want to do all the talking on one of my colleagues to talk, but I've just

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to try to set the framework and the foundation for this. There's been a lot of effort that's been

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forward on this. And our desire was to actually to do more, to take on the opportunity to manage

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this, to get in front of it, to also to address some of the concerns that you had to actually

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make sure that the associations are living up to the standards that we put forward in those documents.

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To make certain that those documents are adhered to, because we do understand that there are

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of some things that were sort of happening, you know, they weren't necessarily managed

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for a study because we didn't have somebody necessarily on top of them.

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And we wanted to make certain that we put that the documents were, we paired them down,

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we made them something that we thought were the documents that we could actually make certain

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that they made.

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They were applicable to the sports that were out there.

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had some new sports that came out, that came out, you know, with the lacrosse and others.

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So we wanted to make sure that they were representative of all the sports that were utilized

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in the sports park and to that end, you know, you have some sports out there that have different

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They have not just recreational sports, but they have the lead and select levels, but we wanted

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to preserve.

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You know, it's the first and foremost, as we all agree, it's, you know, recreational sports

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want to preserve the opportunity for records first and foremost. So again, with all that in mind,

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we try to create these user agreements that address those issues and that were enforceable.

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And then the second piece to that was to allow us to add the opportunity once we've put

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out those fingers placed to add the opportunity as a park board to have some governance over that

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and to enforce those. And I guess that's part of what brings us here today because in sort of the

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The emphasis of that, the evolution of that, you know, the things that are essential of this sports authority and others, maybe taking that on.

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And what we've said is we think we have the capacity to take that on.

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We would like to manage that.

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And that's a big part of what's brought us here today for discussion.

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And one of the things that I think that I don't know about the rest of my colleague,

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to the one of the things I know of, certainly, I hope that we can address as a group,

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because that's certainly out there in the air,

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whether or not this is the form that we're going to address that.

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If we're going to address that tonight or not,

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that I do think that we believe, even in the user agreements

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that we've put forward, we think there's a mechanism to manage that

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and do it well as a park board and still address a lot

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of the issues and concerns that you've raised.

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And maybe not just you, it was the mayor, but others on council and raised, and still, I think we can all accomplish these goals together, and put that product out there that we'll make all of us proud for the view sports programs that we have here in California.

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Great.

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So that's my takeout, and I'll defer to them.

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There's lives.

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Well, I try to follow on people with them.

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And I got immediately disabled.

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It's like all of us.

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I mean, I've always, I've always, the first job.

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I didn't back there. We're not gonna forget about you sir. You want us to up here? We can get their safe. You can survive.

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You're on the subject of the issue. Come on, yeah, you should probably go in.

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What's the case? I'm a spirit in the end. I'm going to the right room.

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You'll see what's going on.

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Okay, that is a...

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Well, I'm going to work.

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Well, let's try.

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Like you've been hearing that.

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Well, I'm getting it here. I know for council tonight.

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With the Boone for Tech and Lair, you weigh all thoughts on the sports authority.

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On Parks and Rec, if you think Parks and Rec do it, if you think subcommittee will be helpful,

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bandwidth related to that, and the issues that the Mayor spoke to, if you think contracts right now can speak to that,

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or manage those issues and so how, if not, when we upgrade to contracts, that's one of the sort of that

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end year, it's just going 45 minutes. I know that's what we want to hear.

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There's a lot of things, Parks and Rec, can talk about the point of y'all being here to be really specific

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because the stamp to the presentation.

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Yeah, and I was the sad one thing, it's not like a one-end.

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Like I've talked with, personally with Mr. Mirror, Mr. Blakey, like a lot about the thought that these sports of course, so I think it, you know, yes, it is part of the input, it's also too.

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I would almost answer a question with the question because it is like we're seeking your feedback, you know, what do you think recreational sports could look like and how from a programming perspective could we better deliver that service?

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Anyone want to go?

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Thank you for inviting us and for the conversation.

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I had the opportunity to be a KYA parent from, I think, my son started at 6U.

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He's now a freshman in high school, so we were with KYA.

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It's a whole time. We had a great experience.

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I do know that there are challenges, and I really wish I could have got to enjoy the new sports park more.

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But we won't go there.

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I feel like over the last eight or so years that we've been

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part of the sports organization,

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I don't feel like we had a voice of the customer,

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voice of the community type feedback,

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that the angry people are going to bubble up.

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The happy people will get a referral like, hey,

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go play at KLA or go to play at KSA.

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And you get those both polarizing perspectives, right?

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I think, you know, as people that have been participating or people that may have left the organizations that have utilized the park,

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I think we really need to, to dig deep and find out where there are opportunities, not just the ones that have bubbled up to your level.

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But as a community as a full, I mean personally, I really, we'd really enjoyed our experience.

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My husband coach, you know, that really helped, you know, we didn't have any battles with that.

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I mean, sometimes I didn't agree with him.

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But overall it was a very good experience.

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All of our kids were color kids, you know, color, color, important words.

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But color ISD kids, and it worked very well.

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And it was very successful and we had a lot of fun.

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You love me, love our experience.

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Like I said, there are work challenges.

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I think getting that feedback, getting candid feedback,

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and in a manner that can be collected and reviewed

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and observed to see, you know, hey, if you live in here

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and you're playing in a flower mound

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or you're playing at softly or you're playing at Holyville.

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Why?

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What was the reason?

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Was there not a team?

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Was there not a coach?

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Did you have a racist issue or whatever?

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I think that would be good to get some people back there.

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I love our facilities.

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I think knowing and having a passion with the Parks and REC,

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some of these people it worked very hard on getting it to where it's not now.

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And they have a very big vested interest.

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So I do think the Parks and REC team can help provide some of the governance around policies

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to help improve, but I do think we need to have a further discussion on how do we find out

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where this gaps are? Yeah. Thoughts saying anything else, I completely agree. Very well stated.

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Okay. What? Um, I like how you went from like, last, I'm lying this second.

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Well, no, it's talking, it makes me uncomfortable and I'm usually hyper-directed. I don't mean to like,

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mitigate. I'm in, on no team of this. With this agreement and the potential,

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free of order that is going to turn potentially in fact Parks and Recreation and what their

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adherence is. My couple of reservations are one, like I'm not a parent that's actively

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involved in these sports. My input is not going to be strong because I'm not an active participant

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that I don't feel the political pain. So we sit in this room and obviously there's political

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tension behind it. I am not privileged to accept part of it. So to create an opinion on how

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we use sports should be run when I don't participate in it is tough. From the outside perspective,

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when you have use sports, yes things get escalated and elevated. If you create a board that

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we need to now oversee the governance of this, is this going to be a very short duration to

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create these contracts. Once they are, then what is that for do they are on out? Is it like a short

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derived?

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I mean, it's going to take one to two years to kind of bear these out. And then the oversight,

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I would imagine would be relatively low. So then does the prudence come from there and the people

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that now are managing the associations to keep them accountable, because we don't have to do staff

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dollars tax to be able to do that. Then I can see if we're living in perpetuity that

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can take that on in its entirety for the duration of what use sports would look like.

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If we're just going over a use agreement that's been set forward that there might be some

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discrepancies between and I think as adults we can work through redline those and be able

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to navigate without onboarding a secondary team that now has to...

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We caught up to speed. It's speed is of the essence to be able to outline these before we put forth these agreements. Having a team that's put hundreds of hours into it is going to probably get us there faster than creating a new one. So, or, making it joint between somebody else and honoring the time put in, honoring the time put in. I also understand if it's not in the direction that council wants to go. We need to pivot, we need to be in the animal to that. But I think that it's the direction of these things that we need to fair it out with the intent as opposed to what is the long term.

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goal of this board is versus ours and again I don't mean to be hyper direct and cut through but I just don't want to talk in these

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You know, I just hit them when we're trying to get to the key to it. So that's my peripheral. I did not put the hundreds of hours in

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I support the work they've done. I also need to like type I'm not in these sports anymore

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We were tech one. No, so I don't have that insight. But I want there's yeah, that's awesome. But you play. I did absolutely

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The idiosyncrasies of every town are different and playing 30 years ago is a lot different than what the sports looked like now

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Was I am a lean athlete and did all the things yes, that's also where my question for recreational sports

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I'm sorry

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When you're talking about recreational sports, I did not have experience in recreational sports. Our our intent was to win and that was it was more cut for it

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So I don't have the inside of to what recreational sports look like.

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So it's not that I don't have a lot to contribute to this argument.

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It's where I differ to my colleagues as to where we're going to navigate this on an

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issue where I come and leave all things considered with this sports agreement.

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So that's where my whole new respect is deferring, but here is my little bit of oversight.

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Yeah, I think, I'm going to make sure to have it down on CERO,

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the way I synthesize it,

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what's the mission moving forward? Is it to provide an

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answer countability update agreements for both?

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Yeah, because if it's an answer countability, then you're saying,

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you know, maybe additional bonds here, additional bonds here could help,

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if it's to update agreements, then maybe, you know, we don't need. So, I'm

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tracking, I think what you're saying is that kind of, yeah, okay, okay,

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All right.

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That's super awful.

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I'll go

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first.

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I'd say anybody that's surprised that use sports and people that are not happy.

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That's a surprise to anybody living under a rock.

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A, B, I think the city operating as a landowner and an amenity owner and partnering with

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various associations to produce use sports activity in that sports park is the right way to go.

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And any move by the city to move towards operating those leads and those associations,

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I think that's a money pit, weight map.

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That being said, I'd be the first to admit and suggest that we need to hold those associations

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more accountable than we're doing today. I have not been privy to the comments or the instances

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of racism or favoritism or whatever the things that somebody has collected that information.

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I don't know where it came from or under what context, but I won't say that that does exist.

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At the same time, I think if we were to modify the user agreements, and then hold people accountable to those user agreements.

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The last part board meeting, K-Y presented to us, and they dug themselves a deep hole by admitting that they were not honoring the terms of the user agreement.

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They were making arbitrary decisions about fees out to the city based on whatever the hell they wanted to

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In turn and that's wrong and they need to be held accountable and we need when we come to know that

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When we come to know that they are delayed and their responsiveness to us for information that's supposed to be to us three weeks before the season starts and they don't bring it and

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The staff allows that to happen, but we'll get it when we get it in that but staff in a precarious position, that's BS and it ought to be fixed.

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I guarantee that the Department can hold those associations accountable, we can assist staff to make sure that that happens.

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We don't need another body to support the city staff.

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We are happy to support the city staff.

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I think better to do with my session.

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That said, I also knew you were asking for ideas, Mr. Mayor. I think we're all operating on third party information. We need somebody on the city staff that is present and accounted for when that amenity is being utilized so that we can come to know for ourselves when things go awry.

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Yeah, I'm just to say council staff did a good job, this last budget allocating funding for that, and I think you're aware of the KVC allocation that we wrapped in this last budget, so it's my way of agreeing with you.

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I'm a staff support perspective, but I just want you guys all on that.

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I was on a roll.

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I don't know.

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I don't know.

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I think I was personally surprised at how challenging the associations that I've just been.

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And I think we ought to increase the reporting frequency of the associations to the park board

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from annual to quarterly, or monthly, or hourly, or whatever, to hold them accountable.

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And third, I think we ought to let Park and Recreation Board take a shot at that.

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We developed the user agreements, the term is up here in February and March of 2027.

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we need to be on half of that. We need to gather in, but from everybody around this table to

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make sure that those user agreements define all of the aspects of the management and reporting

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and accountability. We expect from those youth associations and then we ought to hold them accountable.

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I also think that as you stated Mr. Mayor, each sport is unique in their needs.

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We need to send a very KYA, KYA, and my humble opinion, is a baseball organization that is tacked on football and cheer, and everything else we want to have separate user agreements with separate associations for every sport.

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And for sports like basketball, they don't utilize any city facilities.

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Why the heck are we?

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Why that heck are we today a party to the degree to use our agreement?

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When we don't have any say in that, if we're the landowner in the, and the amount of the owner, why do we care what basketball does?

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Basketball do what basketball does.

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That may exist for volleyball as well.

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Think I'll leave it there.

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All right.

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We'll start, sir.

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Good for that.

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Oh, I'm going to get a gap.

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I don't know.

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Pretty much like what he said.

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And it fits also.

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And he has some kind of belt.

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He's a big deal out there.

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I was thinking, when KWA presented to us the other night,

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that they were going to bring us some financials.

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And pretty much like it was a history of KWA,

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when it started, when we were a half.

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And the numbers are OK.

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They just don't have them.

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But it just doesn't have a Jordan flashed her spreadsheets up and we were miles apart.

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How would dad do that, sorry Tom?

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Well, there's a K-way annual presentation, if they send their baseball guy.

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That's the only person that came to me.

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He's just seen your guy there, I believe, but still, I don't even know who the president is.

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I think it's kind of built to be, you know, out there, as far as there should be an oversight.

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I don't know what's going to be the parts of the right board.

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I think we can do it.

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I know we can do it.

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As a source of the worry, I think we can do that.

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If we can get the numbers from these teams, I've never heard anything about racism.

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You know, you know, you also go out there and I'm hoping that never happens.

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If it has, it's terrible.

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But I'm kind of going to reflect on what he said.

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We can do it, and I believe we've been here long enough on the board that we can set

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here.

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So that's just what I can.

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Well, I'll set.

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I think I come in on some of the things that my fellow Parks Board members have said.

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But I do agree.

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I believe workhouse is going, is this is that we should have strong agreements and they

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be governed by the city as the landowner. We have some level of ability and obligation to

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govern what's happening out there. I think that if the use of agreements today don't have

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the teeth that they need in order to...

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But she, the city's objectives,

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been, you know, to Jay's point, we need to be having those conversations to update those user agreements before they're resigned.

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To Nicole's a point about getting feedback from the community. I don't know if this is the answer, but since we're just throwing things on the wall.

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We did a survey for Johnson and Park that received tremendous feedback, anonymous feedback from the community. That way, they only had to tell us as much about themselves as they felt.

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We made a lot of questions optional, maybe something like that to get it feedback from the everyday user who's willing to get it.

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As far as do we have the bandwidth to govern it?

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I certainly think that it's not unreasonable to give us a shot.

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And if we're not meeting your objectives, it's your prerogative to spin up another group if you've deemed that appropriate.

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your elected officials. We're here to help you. As far as the sports authority presentation

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that I watch, I would just say that if you do screw up another organization, like here,

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Caitlin, say, and I'll reiterate it myself. I'm not a youth sports parent out at the sports

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park, so I wouldn't have that perspective in supporting you in that regard. I have so worry

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that if the youth sports association is all current youth sports parents who are actively

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using the park, then there is also a conflict of interest there as well. So do you need

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current use force parents at the table? Absolutely, you need their inputs. Wouldn't be

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effective without it. But if it is all use of current use force parents, not former use

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sports parents or but just all current, then intentionally or unintentionally their teams to

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get preferential treatment, their children to get preferential treatment, their friends to get

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financial treatment. So consider how you might balance that and also our meetings are recorded.

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I know that not all committee meetings are not all commissions that you guys have stood up

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are recorded. I would encourage this commission to be recorded for your protection and theirs,

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so that it doesn't look like backdoor deals are happening because it's all on camera.

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That's a great one. Yep. No, that's great.

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I do, but I want to say one thing. Oh, thank you.

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As a grandparent that had both their children, I used the park before.

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I mean, it's like two different worlds.

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So it's been interesting for me because it's out of my realm here,

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because I've always been doing a senior stuff as you don't know.

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And so, I can see where they're at, you do the youth getting their games together, learning

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a lot of things from it, you know, if you have a team like I was talking to someone

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else the other day.

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If you have a team whether you're a professional football player or whatever, it doesn't make any

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difference.

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You're a team.

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It's not one guy's job, and I think this is how this comes around personally, but no,

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I've been listening, trying to see what's most important or maybe I'll fit into it.

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I might fit into it other things that might help.

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Yeah, that's great.

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You know, it's all in a, you know, it's sure the board come back to you if you don't mind.

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See if you have anything.

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I mean, honestly, he probably can't speak for council saying that.

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It's like, we would love to spend more time with you guys tonight.

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It's probably the biggest monster, the biggest agenda, not a monster, the biggest agenda that I've seen since we've been on City Council.

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And so, just so you know how important it is that we get your feedback, you know, good news of my colleagues for bringing you guys to the table.

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Because this is, you know, all the time important, this isn't important for you five minutes or so.

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I just want to say something about the whole concept of sports authority and parks and operation boards.

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Right now today, and I don't have a little laundry list of people that I can contact and say apply, that's not the purpose.

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But there is a tremendous appetite in the community to get them more involved.

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We have a lot of volunteers that want to help out.

420
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And so that's kind of, I'm going to kind of pin that and say, hey, that's a question that if we have folks with good acumen expertise, how do we get them engaged?

421
00:34:41,100 --> 00:34:46,920
the sports authority could be one. I also, I never viewed it as an either or equation.

422
00:34:47,580 --> 00:34:53,180
Like, I view, like, in my brain, the sports authority was additive if it was to be created.

423
00:34:53,380 --> 00:35:00,000
It's not like, okay, they're doing use sports, so let's ignore all the great work and feedback from the Fartherer.

424
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:14,620
Recreation Board like that will be a completely myopic approach. Really, it's a way to bring conceptually, if you think about it, it's a way to bring more people to the table to create fan, to get a free, large volume of community feedback.

425
00:35:14,620 --> 00:35:16,320
So I just wanted you to know today,

426
00:35:16,540 --> 00:35:18,160
for the loss of what council decides to do,

427
00:35:18,240 --> 00:35:21,620
I think all of us would say, it's not like an either of work.

428
00:35:22,620 --> 00:35:24,960
It's, you know, it really should be a collaborative approach.

429
00:35:25,700 --> 00:35:28,200
And so even if a sports authority is created,

430
00:35:29,620 --> 00:35:32,680
at least my expectation would be that they're working in concert

431
00:35:32,680 --> 00:35:35,160
with our Parks and Recreation Board team, KDC,

432
00:35:35,540 --> 00:35:36,560
so you staff, et cetera.

433
00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:37,940
So I just wanted to get that out there

434
00:35:37,940 --> 00:35:40,080
because I didn't want you to think it was, you know,

435
00:35:40,140 --> 00:35:40,560
one of the other.

436
00:35:41,360 --> 00:35:43,380
But viewers, but, you know,

437
00:35:43,380 --> 00:35:49,620
Thanks for allowing us to be here and I think to just summarize a couple of things first.

438
00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:51,740
I'm super proud of this team.

439
00:35:51,940 --> 00:35:53,540
I think we have an exceptional board.

440
00:35:54,240 --> 00:35:58,480
And I can tell you they serve this community very, very well.

441
00:35:58,540 --> 00:36:00,660
And they go deep on all their subject matter.

442
00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:03,580
And even though they're not in a serious sports park,

443
00:36:04,260 --> 00:36:07,920
subcommittee, they have thought about this subject.

444
00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:14,860
and we talked about it and going deep in our monthly meetings and I think there are a couple

445
00:36:14,860 --> 00:36:17,080
things just to resonate maybe in closing.

446
00:36:17,640 --> 00:36:22,840
I don't think it's a matter of accountability that we're addressing, not necessarily

447
00:36:22,840 --> 00:36:23,480
governance.

448
00:36:24,760 --> 00:36:29,200
It's really, we're talking about accountability issues out there and we're all agreed that

449
00:36:29,200 --> 00:36:33,660
there needs to be more accountability and I believe we can deliver that accountability

450
00:36:33,660 --> 00:36:39,760
for you, for what you're wanting, and you know, I think we were looking for a strict adherence

451
00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:45,280
to those agreements. And we're also saying that we would like to put some more teeth in those

452
00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:50,640
agreements, even when we wrote them the first time, this is the first guy that said, Aaron said,

453
00:36:50,780 --> 00:36:55,280
I'd like him to even be tougher. You know, we tried to make him, we actually tried to put more teeth

454
00:36:55,280 --> 00:37:03,640
in them than they had existed previously. So, we want to be empowered to, to come in and step

455
00:37:03,640 --> 00:37:08,520
in that, and enforce those, and be empowered to, to help people accountable.

456
00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:09,640
Can I ask you one question?

457
00:37:10,560 --> 00:37:11,640
What does that mean?

458
00:37:12,260 --> 00:37:15,760
Like, want to be able to, yeah, counsel and powers, do they can your mind?

459
00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:21,660
So do you want to be able to call the sports, do you want to be able to have, until you

460
00:37:21,660 --> 00:37:29,240
have leverage right now, because the sports groups can rent the fields, for example.

461
00:37:29,420 --> 00:37:32,100
If they don't turn in their documents, if they're not doing it, if they're not

462
00:37:32,100 --> 00:37:35,820
applying to the agreements, then they don't have the privileges out there on the fields.

463
00:37:36,200 --> 00:37:39,100
There are things that we can do today to make them compliant.

464
00:37:39,580 --> 00:37:45,060
But we need to be able to then know that we can go ahead and start pulling those triggers.

465
00:37:45,240 --> 00:37:49,440
And we can start, you know, we can step in there and have staffs back.

466
00:37:49,520 --> 00:37:51,240
We can call them into the part-porting.

467
00:37:51,620 --> 00:37:58,120
If you also read the agreements, we can assemble the people to adjudicate problems and rise

468
00:37:58,120 --> 00:38:02,100
of the level of the things you talked about where they're in breach of the agreement and things

469
00:38:02,100 --> 00:38:06,100
that are terrible, like you dressed like races and most things that have no place in the

470
00:38:06,100 --> 00:38:08,900
city of Calor any of the in sports organizations.

471
00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:13,960
Those boards, that mechanism exists in the agreements and we can put those in some of those

472
00:38:13,960 --> 00:38:21,520
boards and that board would be made up of my people that would be assembled at your direction

473
00:38:21,520 --> 00:38:32,560
council and and collaborate with our board and TECC. So then do you need a message from us to do that work because like in my mind just

474
00:38:33,100 --> 00:38:38,320
Yes, contractually like we've already passed the user agreements we've already made the expectations prettier.

475
00:38:39,120 --> 00:38:44,580
So I just I don't know and this is actually helpful not just in the situation and you know like blame the rookie mayor.

476
00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:46,360
Right. I'm excited to take the fall.

477
00:38:46,360 --> 00:38:49,760
Oh, like, I guess, do you need to pass the results?

478
00:38:49,880 --> 00:38:51,100
We need to see if you were policy.

479
00:38:51,600 --> 00:38:54,000
No disrespect there, but if you were called,

480
00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:56,440
if you were called J. Tom and I sat right there

481
00:38:56,440 --> 00:38:59,060
when their mosaic sat in that seat.

482
00:38:59,400 --> 00:39:01,100
And we said, in power us to do these things.

483
00:39:01,280 --> 00:39:02,680
And power, let us take on these agreements,

484
00:39:02,820 --> 00:39:05,020
and let us write these things, and let the parkboards

485
00:39:05,020 --> 00:39:06,360
step in and do some of these things.

486
00:39:06,420 --> 00:39:09,640
Because the parkboard was more of a titular head type

487
00:39:09,640 --> 00:39:11,820
of thing that we weren't policy makers.

488
00:39:11,980 --> 00:39:13,280
We are a conduit for you.

489
00:39:13,740 --> 00:39:16,220
We are a voice of a community that brings things

490
00:39:16,220 --> 00:39:20,220
But we really never have been any kind of an enforcement mechanism.

491
00:39:20,240 --> 00:39:23,180
It's never been, that's never been in our purview.

492
00:39:23,600 --> 00:39:27,460
But we're asking that a view. Yes, we'd like to be able to step in there and do those things.

493
00:39:27,480 --> 00:39:35,120
And I think we have, you've seen the group here that I think can, if and power, we can certainly do it.

494
00:39:35,120 --> 00:39:37,380
And as Ashley said, give us the opportunity.

495
00:39:37,680 --> 00:39:43,020
And if you're not happy with the product, then you know, then you can step in and create an alternative.

496
00:39:44,340 --> 00:39:55,000
Okay, so I guess here and we're going to have to, you know, have a council that from a process perspective and I'm going to be quiet and if there's, you know, anyone else feel like we need to get anything out we can.

497
00:39:56,400 --> 00:39:59,520
Probably need to think about, like, what that sort of,

498
00:40:01,300 --> 00:40:07,780
And powering language looks like when we're trying to communicate to boards and commissions.

499
00:40:08,700 --> 00:40:12,560
So that way there's peer direction because I don't want anyone to spin their wheels or waiting on.

500
00:40:12,820 --> 00:40:19,540
I don't know any year wants a board or commission waiting on us to provide feedback on their seeking direction.

501
00:40:19,900 --> 00:40:23,300
So we'll just figure out which is how to figure out the right mechanism to get that feedback on it.

502
00:40:24,060 --> 00:40:29,600
I'm trying to add, I think the other, which we're saying, we have the levers and we recognize

503
00:40:29,600 --> 00:40:33,320
that actually we also want to make sure council is comfortable and we'll support staff when

504
00:40:33,320 --> 00:40:37,640
we have to implement those levers and I think that's something that we clearly say what we're

505
00:40:37,640 --> 00:40:38,320
looking for.

506
00:40:38,560 --> 00:40:41,980
Yes, I mean, it's one thing, you know, to talk about empowerment, I think what you're trying

507
00:40:41,980 --> 00:40:46,620
to sell, so it's it's it's verbal, like council providers, specific vision for you guys

508
00:40:46,620 --> 00:40:51,260
and like if we're having issues with racism, for saying in the conference law, for it's

509
00:40:51,260 --> 00:40:54,620
We heard about this, can you guys handle it using the contracts?

510
00:40:54,940 --> 00:40:55,820
Is that what you're talking about?

511
00:40:56,240 --> 00:40:57,540
Yes, that's what I think.

512
00:40:57,880 --> 00:41:03,860
We asked in the KYA presentation, do you document discreeds your conflicts or code of

513
00:41:03,860 --> 00:41:05,360
conduct issues?

514
00:41:05,940 --> 00:41:07,020
The financial loss.

515
00:41:08,700 --> 00:41:09,740
We can't go.

516
00:41:10,580 --> 00:41:11,820
They can't even tell the same thing.

517
00:41:11,920 --> 00:41:11,940
They can't even tell the same thing.

518
00:41:12,460 --> 00:41:12,580
They can't even tell the same thing.

519
00:41:12,580 --> 00:41:14,100
That's actually a rule.

520
00:41:14,180 --> 00:41:14,920
That's true.

521
00:41:15,160 --> 00:41:15,280
Yeah.

522
00:41:15,340 --> 00:41:15,500
Yeah.

523
00:41:15,680 --> 00:41:16,160
Yeah.

524
00:41:16,160 --> 00:41:23,500
on here and it's not up to date, you know, put this out there, regardless of how the, I think

525
00:41:23,500 --> 00:41:29,780
the direction goes, you know, we've got to move forward one way or the other. And you know,

526
00:41:29,880 --> 00:41:35,360
this is not necessarily, I'm sensitive to the fact that you guys are awesome at that you signed

527
00:41:35,360 --> 00:41:39,380
up to volunteer for a community on the Parks and Recreation Board. Like if you take a big set

528
00:41:39,380 --> 00:41:43,040
back and you're like, man, if you want to pick the best humans in a community, it would be that people

529
00:41:43,040 --> 00:41:49,000
volunteer for this sort of endeavor. I always felt people as I think I

530
00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:51,680
coached over 100 games in the last year, and there's only one thing

531
00:41:51,680 --> 00:41:57,700
more dramatic than you sports sometimes, and not to pick on, you know, colleagues

532
00:41:57,700 --> 00:42:01,640
on the school board, but sometimes they go a little bit farther, and that's not

533
00:42:01,640 --> 00:42:07,420
just color. So just to give you heads up, I do anticipate it's going to be a

534
00:42:07,420 --> 00:42:12,900
pretty dynamic topic of conversation. And in those conversations, there

535
00:42:12,900 --> 00:42:17,720
can be frustrations, and that's okay for my perspective, and I think everyone in this room.

536
00:42:18,740 --> 00:42:22,100
But that's also not, I'm sensitive of the fact that's not necessarily what everyone

537
00:42:22,100 --> 00:42:26,140
signed up for, is to just sit and talk about these sports at Nazium.

538
00:42:26,300 --> 00:42:32,460
It's certainly a passion point for myself and many others, but I just want to thank you again

539
00:42:32,460 --> 00:42:33,560
for being here.

540
00:42:33,780 --> 00:42:38,720
It's an open dialogue, open conversation, and I can't re-emphasize enough that no matter

541
00:42:38,720 --> 00:42:42,640
which way the sports authority goes, the bigger picture is the outputs and the people

542
00:42:42,640 --> 00:42:47,760
we serve and a few at this point we're all united on that from it's just how do we get

543
00:42:47,760 --> 00:42:53,340
there and how do we get there with urgency and without too much delay so is that reasonable?

544
00:42:55,540 --> 00:42:55,980
Awesome.

545
00:42:56,840 --> 00:43:00,200
Well, unless there's anything else for the good of the order we're only two minutes later.

546
00:43:01,620 --> 00:43:02,220
Thank you.

547
00:43:02,860 --> 00:43:03,020
Thank you.

548
00:43:03,060 --> 00:43:03,520
Thank you.

549
00:43:04,560 --> 00:43:10,080
We're going to adjourn the work session for a few and then we'll reconvene into the great

550
00:43:10,080 --> 00:43:12,400
There's a great y'all submitting here on this.

551
00:45:07,730 --> 00:45:17,850
All right. We're back at a great joint work session and joint meeting with Fox and our creation board. Again, thank you to all the great folks serving on that group.

552
00:45:18,970 --> 00:45:27,790
I'm going to kind of go through the review of the agenda items a little bit quicker. So if I go through fast college, just kind of, you know, throw something.

553
00:45:28,890 --> 00:45:33,630
That being said, have a healthy list of executive session items.

554
00:45:34,530 --> 00:45:39,730
We also have a few work session items, or old business.

555
00:45:41,970 --> 00:45:45,670
We have the high school girls rode the team coming in.

556
00:45:46,350 --> 00:45:48,690
So I love my cowboys with the home, but it will be fun.

557
00:45:49,950 --> 00:45:51,130
Fun to recognize that.

558
00:45:54,250 --> 00:45:57,370
Does anyone have any questions about the consent items?

559
00:45:57,370 --> 00:45:59,270
So you want us to go through one by one,

560
00:46:04,320 --> 00:46:08,640
give me a second to pause and read your consent. Any questions on consent?

561
00:46:10,800 --> 00:46:13,580
I think that I'll be required to just kind of come up with procedural perspective.

562
00:46:14,320 --> 00:46:15,680
No, I'll probably out there.

563
00:46:18,360 --> 00:46:22,480
Now, we're meeting your views and the agenda items is pretty much our discussion.

564
00:46:28,630 --> 00:46:29,110
So.

565
00:46:29,110 --> 00:46:30,570
So I guess I do have one question.

566
00:46:30,570 --> 00:46:30,770
Sure.

567
00:46:31,930 --> 00:46:33,950
Maybe for a while, so.

568
00:46:33,950 --> 00:46:37,270
about the winding and jammer at 1709.

569
00:46:38,510 --> 00:46:40,930
The intersection that's being redesigned

570
00:46:40,930 --> 00:46:43,850
is at 1709's Chandler.

571
00:46:44,010 --> 00:46:47,590
And that's full of westbound to northbound movements.

572
00:46:49,070 --> 00:46:52,090
That movement just to jump in, curve.

573
00:46:52,530 --> 00:46:53,010
OK, no, no, no.

574
00:46:53,070 --> 00:46:53,730
See, there's drag.

575
00:46:54,110 --> 00:46:56,150
The roadway is too narrow and make that turn.

576
00:46:56,310 --> 00:46:58,170
If there's a southbound vehicle, let's stop.

577
00:46:59,290 --> 00:47:03,670
So this is all, this is all with better current budgeted projects.

578
00:47:03,670 --> 00:47:05,610
That's correct.

579
00:47:06,090 --> 00:47:07,710
The design, that's good.

580
00:47:08,590 --> 00:47:10,310
The design is no more important.

581
00:47:10,850 --> 00:47:11,790
Are we going to build it?

582
00:47:11,870 --> 00:47:13,210
It's a very broad topic.

583
00:47:13,590 --> 00:47:15,530
Because there's not a sidewalk there.

584
00:47:15,930 --> 00:47:16,110
Along here.

585
00:47:16,570 --> 00:47:18,430
Because that's something we can play on now.

586
00:47:18,710 --> 00:47:19,070
Is that it?

587
00:47:19,070 --> 00:47:20,330
None of that's going to be part of it, right?

588
00:47:20,610 --> 00:47:21,930
At this time, not.

589
00:47:22,030 --> 00:47:23,670
But it doesn't take much.

590
00:47:24,670 --> 00:47:25,430
Move way till.

591
00:47:25,950 --> 00:47:26,470
Twenty-three.

592
00:47:26,690 --> 00:47:27,210
And then the arms.

593
00:47:27,330 --> 00:47:27,590
Yeah.

594
00:47:29,050 --> 00:47:29,410
I know.

595
00:47:34,210 --> 00:47:44,690
Mr. Mayor, I just had a question on the, because we talked about it earlier and it's kind of neat, so I just wanted to kind of maybe have the cheap talk a little bit about the body cameras and the tators.

596
00:47:47,250 --> 00:47:54,890
So just, no, I had some kind of general questions, so these are the body cams, those are just a kind of a place problem that we have right now.

597
00:47:54,890 --> 00:48:00,230
correct correct and then what's the kind of the life span on on on body

598
00:48:00,230 --> 00:48:04,590
camps. So I think the five years we'll have to renew the contract and if this

599
00:48:04,590 --> 00:48:08,590
happens over a place all the body camps. Okay five years. Okay five years they

600
00:48:08,590 --> 00:48:11,050
hold it and then if they break or then they just send us a new and that's part of the

601
00:48:11,050 --> 00:48:15,370
deal. We don't have to buy new and it's just an automatic replacement. Okay and then

602
00:48:15,370 --> 00:48:19,190
we'll be struck through the contract over punished all of them again. And the tasers

603
00:48:19,190 --> 00:48:23,630
tasers are going to those taser tens that we talked about when I gave the CCPD

604
00:48:23,630 --> 00:48:28,950
presentation but those instead of having just two deployments and hope they work and

605
00:48:28,950 --> 00:48:33,710
hopefully get a connection there's 10 individuals deployments and all you have to have

606
00:48:33,710 --> 00:48:39,470
as two connections of the 10 to make it work so you have a lot better chances to succeed.

607
00:48:41,510 --> 00:48:45,770
A lot of the other good part of that is that once these tasers are taken out of a holster

608
00:48:45,770 --> 00:48:51,250
and automatically activates all the bodyworm cameras in the area and that's not that's even if

609
00:48:51,250 --> 00:48:54,530
They're not killer PD folks, if they have X on products,

610
00:48:54,750 --> 00:48:57,970
it's going to automatically activate the video in this proximity

611
00:48:57,970 --> 00:49:00,270
to capture what's going on.

612
00:49:00,650 --> 00:49:03,770
And then I was talking with the mayor and he had volunteers.

613
00:49:04,270 --> 00:49:05,530
You wanted to demo that for sure.

614
00:49:05,930 --> 00:49:06,490
I did.

615
00:49:07,430 --> 00:49:08,370
That's what I did.

616
00:49:08,450 --> 00:49:09,130
All 10.

617
00:49:09,210 --> 00:49:10,490
I think he said next level.

618
00:49:10,830 --> 00:49:11,650
He said all 10.

619
00:49:12,050 --> 00:49:12,950
I think that's what we're trying to say.

620
00:49:14,190 --> 00:49:15,150
I think that's what we're trying to say.

621
00:49:15,530 --> 00:49:17,110
I think he said he wanted to ride the light.

622
00:49:17,330 --> 00:49:17,510
Right.

623
00:49:17,810 --> 00:49:18,590
We can make that.

624
00:49:18,890 --> 00:49:19,830
We have a soundtrack.

625
00:49:20,030 --> 00:49:20,690
We can cut behind it.

626
00:49:20,690 --> 00:49:22,890
Thank you sir.

627
00:49:23,010 --> 00:49:23,590
Yes sir, for sure.

628
00:49:24,130 --> 00:49:24,750
Moving on.

629
00:49:24,850 --> 00:49:26,150
No, that's great.

630
00:49:26,330 --> 00:49:26,750
That's great.

631
00:49:26,870 --> 00:49:28,890
I think we're going to need to say it some video ideas.

632
00:49:29,170 --> 00:49:31,070
I did have a quick question.

633
00:49:34,980 --> 00:49:35,940
It was...

634
00:49:35,940 --> 00:49:36,560
You bikes?

635
00:49:36,840 --> 00:49:37,300
Yes sir.

636
00:49:38,240 --> 00:49:40,860
Can you give us a really like 30 seconds?

637
00:49:41,140 --> 00:49:41,440
Yes sir.

638
00:49:41,840 --> 00:49:45,200
We had a question because a primarily farmers market

639
00:49:45,200 --> 00:49:48,600
every Saturday, busy, busy, busy, and now more and more

640
00:49:48,600 --> 00:49:55,120
bikes in rollerblades and other type of wheeled conveyses are going through there and they

641
00:49:55,120 --> 00:49:59,020
were just really concerned about someone getting circuits in no restriction and so they

642
00:49:59,020 --> 00:50:00,000
are asked if there's something to do.

643
00:50:00,600 --> 00:50:28,260
So this, what this is going to do is that there are going to put something in the application for anyone who wants to do a special event. If they are wanting to prohibit e-vites and those things within their event, they can request it. It will go into spur application, will look at it, approve it, or park should wreck, will look at it, approve it. And if it's approved, then we'll have signs developed to be able to post that those specific events. So won't be just all the time they can't write them. It'll be just for those special events and that gives us something enforceable if they're at those events.

644
00:50:28,260 --> 00:50:32,420
could the like for question come in like get the science themselves at all maybe put them out

645
00:50:32,420 --> 00:50:35,520
or what kind of science they're going to talk about what we're working with public works

646
00:50:35,520 --> 00:50:40,380
trying to generate these. We haven't worked into the weeds that yet so that's going to be something

647
00:50:40,380 --> 00:50:48,180
for the policy. So from like a logistics kind of just thinking this out. If if my spurred

648
00:50:49,160 --> 00:50:56,600
encompasses an area that actually also takes over parts of the trail system the people wouldn't

649
00:50:56,600 --> 00:51:02,280
be able to rise their bikes or e-bikes or scooters or whatever on the trail even though that's

650
00:51:02,280 --> 00:51:04,500
what the intended purpose of the trail is.

651
00:51:04,800 --> 00:51:08,900
Yeah, so even we agree to have the event there that occupies those trails and that's why

652
00:51:08,900 --> 00:51:13,300
there needs to be an approval by Parks and Reconnaissance to look at the overall purpose of

653
00:51:13,300 --> 00:51:17,500
is that event that's taken over this area when the intended use of the trails are for these things

654
00:51:17,500 --> 00:51:21,260
in the events going to be there. We need to look at the justification of why they don't look

655
00:51:21,260 --> 00:51:27,620
there to see, and then we'll make a decision based on the best interests of the most people.

656
00:51:27,740 --> 00:51:32,040
The electric kettle lights, you know, we want to be able to regulate that all the days,

657
00:51:32,400 --> 00:51:35,940
we want to be able to regulate that. Farmers market makes sense. All the other events,

658
00:51:36,520 --> 00:51:39,740
they can request it doesn't mean they get it. It'll be between parks and racking us to determine.

659
00:51:40,020 --> 00:51:45,440
Well, I guess the one thing that jumps out of me is there's this part of the end of the

660
00:51:45,440 --> 00:51:50,940
farmer's market encompasses that trail that crosses the bridge and then proceeds down a long

661
00:51:51,620 --> 00:51:56,360
So we would put signs so that it's it's it's not including that they could

662
00:51:56,360 --> 00:52:00,140
do you want a long parallel pair of pair of bear creek but would it make that turn in

663
00:52:00,140 --> 00:52:04,920
just that isolated trail that the majority of the farmers market is on that's where

664
00:52:04,920 --> 00:52:10,000
they would be registered. I just want to make sure we weren't limiting everybody else's access.

665
00:52:10,000 --> 00:52:13,620
That's exactly what we're hoping for. Those weird gaps so I'm going to show up.

666
00:52:14,120 --> 00:52:18,140
Yeah. So that's what we'll look at all all those requests to make sure we're the

667
00:52:18,140 --> 00:52:19,740
Thank you, sir.

668
00:52:20,460 --> 00:52:20,760
Good.

669
00:52:20,980 --> 00:52:21,760
Good discussion.

670
00:52:22,360 --> 00:52:23,060
Anything else on consent?

671
00:52:23,840 --> 00:52:25,620
Number four.

672
00:52:25,900 --> 00:52:25,920
Okay.

673
00:52:26,520 --> 00:52:28,020
You and I discussed it just briefly.

674
00:52:28,500 --> 00:52:28,520
Thank you.

675
00:52:29,280 --> 00:52:31,280
I know it's because it's over 50,000.

676
00:52:32,420 --> 00:52:33,980
The residents are paying.

677
00:52:34,040 --> 00:52:34,500
Yes sir.

678
00:52:34,520 --> 00:52:37,280
So explain to me why I know it's over 50.

679
00:52:37,400 --> 00:52:38,000
I'm getting that far.

680
00:52:38,220 --> 00:52:39,480
That's not the hard part for me.

681
00:52:40,140 --> 00:52:44,140
So why is it something that the council's looking at?

682
00:52:44,840 --> 00:52:46,820
If the residents are covering the expense.

683
00:52:46,820 --> 00:52:53,000
So the Monday they bring it as a revenue and it stands alone by itself as a revenue being brought in.

684
00:52:53,340 --> 00:52:55,060
This is an expense for paying to a contractor.

685
00:52:55,980 --> 00:52:58,900
So because we are literally paying a contractor over 50,000,

686
00:52:59,080 --> 00:53:00,320
Council has to prove that expenditure.

687
00:53:00,480 --> 00:53:02,540
Even though it is an offset expenditure.

688
00:53:03,220 --> 00:53:05,720
Okay, so there are seven bucks, goes into a copper.

689
00:53:05,720 --> 00:53:06,100
Yes.

690
00:53:06,900 --> 00:53:08,300
Does it reimburse the city?

691
00:53:08,600 --> 00:53:08,940
Yes.

692
00:53:09,400 --> 00:53:10,080
All the other special.

693
00:53:11,620 --> 00:53:12,320
That is the next.

694
00:53:12,540 --> 00:53:12,900
Right question.

695
00:53:13,560 --> 00:53:13,820
Thanks.

696
00:53:14,140 --> 00:53:14,700
Two more questions.

697
00:53:14,700 --> 00:53:15,060
question?

698
00:53:16,520 --> 00:53:16,980
All right.

699
00:53:18,700 --> 00:53:20,080
You found a question long concern?

700
00:53:20,780 --> 00:53:21,540
We can have a moment.

701
00:53:22,540 --> 00:53:22,660
Yeah.

702
00:53:22,780 --> 00:53:23,060
Great.

703
00:53:24,240 --> 00:53:24,580
All right.

704
00:53:24,780 --> 00:53:25,780
You do have the old business.

705
00:53:26,260 --> 00:53:30,640
The Smith Springs Project and the items that you'd like to staff looking to before

706
00:53:30,640 --> 00:53:31,300
the regular meeting.

707
00:53:31,580 --> 00:53:34,680
I was just going to ask if we had provided.

708
00:53:35,220 --> 00:53:37,380
There was a little bit of a type of response from the council.

709
00:53:38,080 --> 00:53:43,980
Some reservations about possibly doing the commercial sooner or at least the brewery.

710
00:53:43,980 --> 00:53:47,800
us wondering if there's been any change on their approach

711
00:53:47,800 --> 00:53:50,400
of they as the applicant changed or added anything

712
00:53:50,400 --> 00:53:54,680
or come to staff with any differences in their approaches?

713
00:53:55,100 --> 00:53:58,200
Yeah. They did provide a data presentation this afternoon.

714
00:53:58,440 --> 00:54:01,100
I haven't had a chance to look through it, but they didn't

715
00:54:01,100 --> 00:54:05,060
send any updated development centers or anything like that.

716
00:54:05,700 --> 00:54:08,700
I'll just say this now, Stan and I were talking

717
00:54:09,420 --> 00:54:11,140
about what you did before the meeting.

718
00:54:11,140 --> 00:54:29,760
And this is just good to know, especially for myself as well, but whether it's on this item or any item if an applicant withdraws their application during the meeting while we're deliberating, then that will withdraw our need to move forward on that item.

719
00:54:29,760 --> 00:54:51,020
I don't know what to expect, I haven't been told that by the applicant, but you know conceptually is if we start asking for conditions and things like that as part of a PD or a plane development and the applicant withdraws during those deliberations that essentially items move and the existing zoning would be what it controls.

720
00:54:51,480 --> 00:54:52,760
Is that I get it?

721
00:54:53,120 --> 00:54:53,580
Right Sam?

722
00:54:54,400 --> 00:54:54,440
Yeah.

723
00:54:54,760 --> 00:54:54,860
Okay.

724
00:54:55,360 --> 00:54:55,940
One more time.

725
00:54:56,720 --> 00:54:56,900
Yeah.

726
00:54:57,200 --> 00:54:58,700
Oh, he got to get to head north of Sam.

727
00:54:59,040 --> 00:54:59,860
So, I'll pick it up.

728
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:05,120
Can I ask if I could go on who I'll met with a representative from the group? Can I ask that?

729
00:55:05,360 --> 00:55:06,200
Yes, of course.

730
00:55:06,700 --> 00:55:08,900
Since the last meeting did anybody else agree with?

731
00:55:09,480 --> 00:55:10,740
Somebody from that group?

732
00:55:11,620 --> 00:55:11,860
I did.

733
00:55:11,860 --> 00:55:12,240
I did.

734
00:55:13,260 --> 00:55:13,980
Not a person.

735
00:55:15,160 --> 00:55:16,300
So it's some form of fashion.

736
00:55:17,520 --> 00:55:17,660
Okay.

737
00:55:18,160 --> 00:55:20,500
But not together, right?

738
00:55:20,780 --> 00:55:21,860
Not together, yes.

739
00:55:22,160 --> 00:55:22,200
Yeah.

740
00:55:22,200 --> 00:55:23,120
It's clear for the right.

741
00:55:23,340 --> 00:55:23,660
Yes.

742
00:55:24,480 --> 00:55:25,920
Yeah, the applicant was reaching out.

743
00:55:26,020 --> 00:55:26,780
I'd have had it not.

744
00:55:27,100 --> 00:55:27,260
Yeah.

745
00:55:27,740 --> 00:55:30,720
And it was at the right to ask a question with this group.

746
00:55:30,860 --> 00:55:32,280
You're going to get an answer, but yeah.

747
00:55:33,200 --> 00:55:33,360
All right.

748
00:55:34,640 --> 00:55:36,200
Good question, Mayor Frotem.

749
00:55:36,860 --> 00:55:37,360
New business.

750
00:55:38,120 --> 00:55:44,480
We have a PD request going from 36,000 to 25,000 square foot.

751
00:55:44,580 --> 00:55:47,580
The problem is that I put in development on 2.9.3 acres.

752
00:55:47,660 --> 00:55:49,840
Any questions on that item?

753
00:55:49,960 --> 00:55:51,480
I do have a question for Sarah.

754
00:55:51,480 --> 00:55:58,180
The 25,000 square per person nation of this family, because the smallest law of this 28,

755
00:55:58,760 --> 00:56:03,820
something, and the average is 30,000, something, which is 2,000, and I feel it's good

756
00:56:03,820 --> 00:56:05,020
for it to make her thinking.

757
00:56:06,760 --> 00:56:13,900
The 25 SF designation, how does that determine why is it something else?

758
00:56:14,060 --> 00:56:18,920
We don't have, so ours, any districts, our residential buildings, districts are done

759
00:56:18,920 --> 00:56:23,860
increments of that 5,000. So they couldn't go and we have to have something for their base

760
00:56:23,860 --> 00:56:29,540
zoning that they're doing their development standard off of. So they can't do SF-3.

761
00:56:30,560 --> 00:56:34,060
Because some of their lots are less than SF-3, so they still like their SF-25.

762
00:56:35,620 --> 00:56:40,120
But you were a point if we actually wanted to do an increments of the bells. I'm not saying we need to.

763
00:56:40,280 --> 00:56:44,540
We have a capability. That's the best way we would have to...

764
00:56:53,540 --> 00:56:57,240
And it's always based on the smallest lot in the development.

765
00:56:58,100 --> 00:57:00,720
And that's a pretty standard thing as opposed to average.

766
00:57:01,240 --> 00:57:05,680
And it is because we don't offer variances for mean.

767
00:57:07,400 --> 00:57:11,360
You can come in and ask for a variance if you're a lot with your depth.

768
00:57:11,360 --> 00:57:15,260
You're set back, but you have to meet that minimum size of the law.

769
00:57:15,300 --> 00:57:17,020
Otherwise, you're not meeting that base on it.

770
00:57:17,080 --> 00:57:21,480
We don't give you a very hint for being small in this law size.

771
00:57:21,500 --> 00:57:27,060
Whether you're doing a subdivision of two lots or something like this, or a couple of members.

772
00:57:32,980 --> 00:57:38,960
If body sin, a letter in favor from Gina States.

773
00:57:43,590 --> 00:57:45,750
There's 17 total support letters.

774
00:57:46,090 --> 00:57:48,530
I don't know for sure that any of them are from Gina States.

775
00:57:49,390 --> 00:57:54,050
There was a few game of state's resonance that spoke during the planning and zoning commission

776
00:57:54,770 --> 00:57:57,930
hearing with some concerns, but also some support.

777
00:57:58,530 --> 00:58:00,930
I don't know that any of them put anything in writing.

778
00:58:01,770 --> 00:58:02,470
Thank you.

779
00:58:09,490 --> 00:58:11,750
Any questions on the regional needs plan?

780
00:58:12,230 --> 00:58:15,150
For that related item, any questions on the needs too?

781
00:58:16,130 --> 00:58:17,450
I'm going to presume not.

782
00:58:18,290 --> 00:58:19,850
But to your point, Councilman Vernon, that's why.

783
00:58:20,310 --> 00:58:23,970
I like the fact that we have a plan development discussion because it kind of gets

784
00:58:23,970 --> 00:58:28,970
do some of those details. It's not just a straight zoning, it has such 25. You have your small

785
00:58:28,970 --> 00:58:33,170
slot at 28,000 being proposed, so it allows us to kind of get in the details. And also, too,

786
00:58:33,230 --> 00:58:37,550
if you didn't know what I know, Councilman Wattley and most of us remember, but if you didn't,

787
00:58:38,530 --> 00:58:44,550
state law has not preempted our ability to, you know, get into building materials, and those discussions

788
00:58:44,550 --> 00:58:49,650
like how much masonry and development. So a plan development is actually pretty advantageous for us

789
00:58:49,650 --> 00:58:51,630
have those conversations with an applicant.

790
00:58:53,850 --> 00:58:54,610
All right.

791
00:58:55,390 --> 00:58:59,410
H3, NCP for subgroup coffee, any questions on H3?

792
00:59:01,730 --> 00:59:03,690
I've got some concerns about this one.

793
00:59:04,290 --> 00:59:04,450
Sure.

794
00:59:04,550 --> 00:59:07,450
Any questions for staff to kind of look out or research or anything like that?

795
00:59:07,470 --> 00:59:13,270
On, when they submit stuff on this and they ask for existing trees to be left

796
00:59:13,270 --> 00:59:17,710
and that would suffice for their tree on, let's just say, the west side.

797
00:59:18,610 --> 00:59:24,090
There's two Bradford pairs that are sitting at this property in about a 20-inch.

798
00:59:26,000 --> 00:59:27,960
18 inches on the on the west side.

799
00:59:28,340 --> 00:59:31,400
Yeah, that's why there's so many variants that's related to landscaping.

800
00:59:31,740 --> 00:59:37,520
They are increasing the amount of landscaping currently out there, which is not much.

801
00:59:37,860 --> 00:59:42,240
Basically, just what we talked about that's foot and a half on the west side.

802
00:59:42,840 --> 00:59:47,200
But they're not really meeting the code in several different areas in terms of landscaping.

803
00:59:47,200 --> 00:59:49,840
And that's what a lot of them, they're varying since they're going to do.

804
00:59:50,240 --> 00:59:54,940
Because one tree they're asking to leave there, those branches have seen their better day.

805
00:59:55,400 --> 00:59:57,280
And they'll make good Halloween trees.

806
00:59:58,700 --> 00:59:59,960
And I'll let them out.

807
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:07,880
Okay, speak more to it. And I know what you're talking about. I think they would also respond with the new

808
01:00:07,880 --> 01:00:12,820
ownership that's taken over. They're very much hoping to improve the irrigation and improve the overall

809
01:00:12,820 --> 01:00:17,760
maintenance of the site versus what's been done on the last couple decades that they can get that

810
01:00:17,760 --> 01:00:21,520
property. But they'll be here to speak a little bit more about the point.

811
01:00:21,520 --> 01:00:28,960
Good. And to his point, I guess it's like it is now because it was a long time ago before we had

812
01:00:28,960 --> 01:00:33,040
a lot of audiences that were acquired, certainly not only in state of existence, but in

813
01:00:33,040 --> 01:00:36,980
distance out the road, both both both. That is its concrete.

814
01:00:38,400 --> 01:00:44,660
That building was actually built before the UED existed, and even better a little bit of

815
01:00:44,660 --> 01:00:46,440
the timeline in his presentation.

816
01:00:47,440 --> 01:00:51,620
All right, good questions. It's a good time to build, may I put up time?

817
01:00:52,020 --> 01:00:57,400
And that age for a site plan amendment, for that for updates and all of these corner of

818
01:00:57,400 --> 01:00:59,700
So the question in paid order, you question on age 4,

819
01:01:02,010 --> 01:01:02,750
age 5,

820
01:01:03,590 --> 01:01:05,890
like talking to these supports, but I thought we talked about enough.

821
01:01:06,030 --> 01:01:06,890
Any questions for staffs?

822
01:01:06,910 --> 01:01:07,530
I'll look into it.

823
01:01:10,260 --> 01:01:14,400
We'll go ahead and go into a executive session

824
01:01:16,800 --> 01:01:17,960
specifically

825
01:01:19,520 --> 01:01:23,940
under section 551, zero-eight-seven,

826
01:01:24,240 --> 01:01:25,880
of the Texas government code, the liberation,

827
01:01:26,120 --> 01:01:28,040
regarding economic involvement in negotiations,

828
01:01:28,880 --> 01:01:30,880
as we're related, and listen on the agenda,

829
01:01:30,880 --> 01:01:34,400
to a one-piece pine street in 200-color parkway.

830
01:01:34,580 --> 01:01:35,540
All right, we're an example.

831
01:01:35,980 --> 01:01:40,040
And if you really think that it's kind of going through different concepts,

832
01:01:40,280 --> 01:01:46,240
so we had probably four or five different versions of concepts.

833
01:01:46,460 --> 01:01:47,540
I'm like very different concepts.

834
01:01:48,020 --> 01:01:52,780
So we were like the first one was something for a very different time.

835
01:01:52,800 --> 01:01:54,800
This is what we're presenting here.

836
01:01:55,320 --> 01:01:59,660
And then sort of clearly as it was not sort of what we just wanted.

837
01:01:59,660 --> 01:02:03,220
And so we might be another sort of, we weren't closely with the artists.

838
01:02:03,500 --> 01:02:07,940
So I'm really, a lot of back and forth with the artists and presenting it multiple times too.

839
01:02:08,080 --> 01:02:12,080
We're just saying, fighting, landing on this particular concept of agency.

840
01:02:12,820 --> 01:02:13,140
Awesome.

841
01:02:13,240 --> 01:02:14,500
So I guess we're very well.

842
01:02:15,040 --> 01:02:15,420
Awesome.

843
01:02:15,500 --> 01:02:15,820
Great.

844
01:02:15,980 --> 01:02:16,460
That's well.

845
01:02:16,460 --> 01:02:20,040
We're really appreciative of you and of them for being so involved.

846
01:02:20,220 --> 01:02:24,040
I mean, this is, you guys step enough to the table, or even see step enough to the table

847
01:02:24,040 --> 01:02:25,940
to activate this space.

848
01:02:26,260 --> 01:02:29,160
So I guess my question is just from like a process perspective.

849
01:02:29,740 --> 01:02:33,160
Erin, Anna, this might be where you chime in.

850
01:02:34,040 --> 01:02:36,540
Is it Kent?

851
01:02:36,740 --> 01:02:38,040
I was going to say another name.

852
01:02:38,180 --> 01:02:38,860
I thought I asked.

853
01:02:39,080 --> 01:02:42,140
So, Kent, my question is for city staff.

854
01:02:43,220 --> 01:02:45,460
So, from a process perspective, would it be appropriate

855
01:02:45,460 --> 01:02:50,480
for maybe sending this as part of a Thursday report or a Friday report

856
01:02:50,480 --> 01:02:53,300
and then collectively, that's not collectively,

857
01:02:53,580 --> 01:02:57,900
but individually, as council, we could provide ideas and thoughts

858
01:02:58,520 --> 01:03:07,000
to the city manager and you and as a economic development director, just from a process perspective that we still have the opportunity to do that.

859
01:03:09,420 --> 01:03:13,020
So I'll chime in, I think.

860
01:03:13,760 --> 01:03:25,180
Kim and Jesse, if I can, Mrs. Sarah, I know one of the concerns that Jesse from Regency and particular had is that she got the budget for the mural for this year.

861
01:03:25,800 --> 01:03:31,800
And so we actually offered to bring them to work session tonight and schedule them for PNZ

862
01:03:31,800 --> 01:03:35,680
next week and then counsel for the third because they were wanting to get through the process

863
01:03:35,680 --> 01:03:36,200
of which.

864
01:03:37,080 --> 01:03:40,780
But we could certainly, we received the concepts of Dr. Nane and we could certainly

865
01:03:40,780 --> 01:03:42,520
forward them on this evening.

866
01:03:42,760 --> 01:03:42,960
Yeah.

867
01:03:43,260 --> 01:03:48,940
So what I'm thinking for time sake, because we want to be super respectful of Regency and the

868
01:03:48,940 --> 01:03:54,520
design team's time, is maybe we just get an update in the third or fourth year and then

869
01:03:54,520 --> 01:04:01,520
And I think it's colleagues if you guys have ideas or things that you want to see, that

870
01:04:01,520 --> 01:04:10,280
a lot here and hopefully provide pretty quick feedback to read the sea on what we like,

871
01:04:10,540 --> 01:04:11,560
maybe other ideas.

872
01:04:12,180 --> 01:04:18,160
I'm usually the worst to ask about hard work because you see all I address every day.

873
01:04:18,160 --> 01:04:20,720
So, folks, can that cast just clear that this can make?

874
01:04:21,180 --> 01:04:24,200
So, are you saying you want us to provide opinions on

875
01:04:24,200 --> 01:04:25,360
if we wanted something else?

876
01:04:25,680 --> 01:04:28,940
Or opinions on the lettering, is it like, is it,

877
01:04:28,940 --> 01:04:31,540
is it a fake supply for the birds and flowers?

878
01:04:31,900 --> 01:04:34,140
That's why I think it's both, right?

879
01:04:34,360 --> 01:04:38,140
So, I think option one would be, you have tweaks to this.

880
01:04:38,140 --> 01:04:40,780
That's a great question, tweaks modifications

881
01:04:40,780 --> 01:04:42,980
to this rendering, do you like the blue or the yellow,

882
01:04:44,040 --> 01:04:46,240
et cetera, you know, concept one or concept two.

883
01:04:46,560 --> 01:04:47,800
And then if you have other ideas,

884
01:04:47,800 --> 01:04:52,820
I mean, I know Shannon, Councilman D'Aberley and Mayor for some, when we met with

885
01:04:52,820 --> 01:04:58,440
Regency in person, you know, is a really exciting discussion and I'm excited. It's on the

886
01:04:58,440 --> 01:05:00,000
work session, but the whole idea was to make it.

887
01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:14,200
Get this Keller theme this possible. That was kind of the genesis of this whole discussion. So I actually think it is a great question. At least for me, we'll probably be both. So we can tweak this design and also send it put for other ideas if everyone's open to that.

888
01:05:14,520 --> 01:05:23,960
Can't, what is the timing looked like for you and the designer and agency on your end if you had to make substantial changes or changes in general?

889
01:05:23,960 --> 01:05:25,940
what they didn't discount it.

890
01:05:26,100 --> 01:05:33,220
I think it's just full of the pain process of the RST kind of being able to finish this.

891
01:05:33,580 --> 01:05:36,900
It would take about six weeks to do it.

892
01:05:36,940 --> 01:05:40,640
Because it is the first location one is five bars.

893
01:05:41,220 --> 01:05:42,820
So it's all the details.

894
01:05:43,480 --> 01:05:46,860
So we're going to leave about roughly about six weeks.

895
01:05:48,120 --> 01:05:51,280
So I think it is, I think it will just be more likely

896
01:05:51,280 --> 01:05:52,020
How's it done?

897
01:05:52,380 --> 01:05:52,800
It does.

898
01:05:52,800 --> 01:05:53,280
It does.

899
01:05:53,700 --> 01:05:55,000
Then I speak for myself.

900
01:05:55,280 --> 01:05:55,960
What is your budget?

901
01:05:56,220 --> 01:05:57,200
You're at?

902
01:05:57,200 --> 01:05:58,180
That's dope.

903
01:05:58,460 --> 01:06:00,180
Well, this is Desi from Regency.

904
01:06:00,400 --> 01:06:01,080
Hi, does he?

905
01:06:02,040 --> 01:06:02,360
Hi.

906
01:06:02,880 --> 01:06:08,500
So, our fiscal year, and we would like to have this done.

907
01:06:08,620 --> 01:06:10,340
We did by December 20th.

908
01:06:11,180 --> 01:06:11,460
Okay.

909
01:06:11,660 --> 01:06:11,740
Okay.

910
01:06:12,680 --> 01:06:14,120
That's our full on this.

911
01:06:14,220 --> 01:06:20,760
I think our other December, which is, I know we were already working on the application

912
01:06:20,760 --> 01:06:26,240
process for the year, which we have a deadline and we need to have that submitted by tomorrow

913
01:06:26,760 --> 01:06:33,080
to go to the PMZ next week and then the city comes along with the leader for the committee,

914
01:06:33,980 --> 01:06:40,760
and so there's a little bit of concern on back and as I remember, it was a lady that

915
01:06:41,420 --> 01:06:48,260
what does that look like on the approval timeline, like the entire process timeline together

916
01:06:50,920 --> 01:06:55,060
I don't know if I'll just kind of get it out there for the sake of time and I don't think it should

917
01:06:55,060 --> 01:07:00,540
so you guys don't at all because if you know you could get off the call and have a maybe one of your other

918
01:07:00,540 --> 01:07:06,380
underings you want to you want to present that one as well at playing it zoning I think staff me way in it and

919
01:07:06,380 --> 01:07:11,040
stand a few other ideas I think for a process you just move through the process present what you have

920
01:07:11,040 --> 01:07:16,720
to playing it zoning and then we'll walk into both of them at the same time meaning we'll also

921
01:07:16,720 --> 01:07:22,020
council provide feedback and ideas and a lot of opportunities at the city manager and that's

922
01:07:22,020 --> 01:07:26,560
sure that Jesse keep you guys on track from the time you perspective we certainly want that because

923
01:07:26,560 --> 01:07:33,140
we're you know really appreciative and excited about about the partnership so is that you guys

924
01:07:33,140 --> 01:07:33,700
I think it's going to be very serious.

925
01:07:34,940 --> 01:07:35,440
Is that okay?

926
01:07:36,340 --> 01:07:37,160
All right.

927
01:07:37,560 --> 01:07:38,000
Thank you guys.

928
01:07:38,580 --> 01:07:39,580
Any last questions?

929
01:07:40,040 --> 01:07:42,600
I can say it's going to speed it down.

930
01:07:42,780 --> 01:07:43,840
Speed it a bunch.

931
01:07:44,380 --> 01:07:49,440
In a slow direction, if we ask for significant changes from this artist.

932
01:07:50,740 --> 01:07:58,400
So if you're asking for a water tower and training each painting, then it's going to.

933
01:07:58,400 --> 01:08:01,020
It's not going to get done by December 20th.

934
01:08:01,020 --> 01:08:08,480
Do you need to have that completed by December 20th or a purchase order created by December 20th?

935
01:08:08,940 --> 01:08:11,500
I don't think you can't see me doing their posts.

936
01:08:12,660 --> 01:08:19,320
I don't think, but substantially completed it by December 20th.

937
01:08:20,220 --> 01:08:22,020
Okay, when it's over...

938
01:08:22,720 --> 01:08:22,920
Yeah.

939
01:08:23,900 --> 01:08:26,400
And if you're talking about,

940
01:08:26,400 --> 01:08:43,540
You know, some of the items you mentioned at the water tower in the trains, if you're talking about, maybe adding those in, as well, you know, you call it Easter eggs, into the existing design, and you can make it to level the better that I had.

941
01:08:44,000 --> 01:08:54,420
But what we're going to be doing today is that if you're talking completely changing the direction of the design,

942
01:08:54,420 --> 01:09:00,120
That's where the little lady and tiny happened is that's good to know

943
01:09:00,120 --> 01:09:03,480
But yeah, I also wanted to add also I think there's some

944
01:09:03,480 --> 01:09:06,660
possible weather issues that could occur in the

945
01:09:07,500 --> 01:09:09,500
I could delay the process

946
01:09:10,460 --> 01:09:12,960
No, that's that's awful well

947
01:09:58,520 --> 01:09:59,960
There's some sort of water in your mouth.

948
01:10:00,000 --> 01:10:31,240
There are plans in the guy, just as we all thought it was a very strategic decision to have the people, pictures in front of House report again, Instagram moments, versus being really large, like obvious images.

949
01:10:32,100 --> 01:10:39,800
especially the two small walls. Those are such perfect sort of like solid Instagram moments where we all need to call out.

950
01:10:39,940 --> 01:10:44,380
And as soon as we start putting ourselves straight into one of the scale, then as you have a piece of that.

951
01:10:45,620 --> 01:10:51,240
So while we liked a lot of our other concepts that had sort of like obvious connections,

952
01:10:52,040 --> 01:10:56,380
we felt that they didn't service the bigger picture goal, which

953
01:11:05,080 --> 01:11:05,400
is true.

954
01:11:05,400 --> 01:11:09,000
So I think we're happy and we would love to hear

955
01:11:18,700 --> 01:11:20,540
the way both consultants,

956
01:11:40,020 --> 01:11:42,460
of course we'd like to have the things on Easter eggs as

957
01:11:50,560 --> 01:11:50,900
well.

958
01:11:51,120 --> 01:11:57,400
Yeah, Aaron, so we have a summer clock, how much time do we have for this topic in your opinion?

959
01:11:58,860 --> 01:12:08,080
We probably two more minutes at that. We need to move on to the next meeting, and I think the feedback I'm getting from you all is give us some, give us some input and design to share with them.

960
01:12:08,080 --> 01:12:13,360
So you're about to go on with this look good in vibrant regardless of what you think to the question.

961
01:12:14,080 --> 01:12:14,220
Yeah.

962
01:12:14,220 --> 01:12:17,160
Well, they already have developed some of those earlier designs.

963
01:12:17,420 --> 01:12:20,080
Why do they just show what those all look like?

964
01:12:20,340 --> 01:12:23,200
Because they've already been brought to some extent.

965
01:12:23,380 --> 01:12:24,620
They're really a point in the wheel.

966
01:12:25,240 --> 01:12:26,540
Let's just look at those as well.

967
01:12:26,720 --> 01:12:27,840
But I also need the viewpoint.

968
01:12:28,140 --> 01:12:30,240
I don't know how difficult it is to make like another rendering,

969
01:12:30,440 --> 01:12:32,620
especially if they've already have stuff sitting around.

970
01:12:32,660 --> 01:12:33,300
You're going to be easier.

971
01:12:33,560 --> 01:12:34,540
I'm 100%.

972
01:12:34,540 --> 01:12:35,560
But your question.

973
01:12:35,560 --> 01:12:38,500
I hope the issues we did happen with this.

974
01:12:39,660 --> 01:12:42,740
It's a lot of the stuff that was earlier,

975
01:12:43,060 --> 01:12:48,480
so we've really struggled with the way to keep it more current

976
01:12:48,480 --> 01:12:52,880
and modern with some of those design elements.

977
01:12:53,380 --> 01:12:56,120
And that was part of the biggest trouble.

978
01:12:57,160 --> 01:13:01,880
This is a very large area, and we don't want to

979
01:13:01,880 --> 01:13:06,780
You know, three years kind of feel like it already looks weird a little bit.

980
01:13:06,980 --> 01:13:10,480
You love her just to have a bit in your life scene.

981
01:13:12,100 --> 01:13:17,740
And so that's something else to kind of remind myself of as well as we go through this.

982
01:13:18,140 --> 01:13:18,380
Right.

983
01:13:18,840 --> 01:13:23,640
And originally part of the time, sort of work is very realistic rendering.

984
01:13:24,140 --> 01:13:25,480
So that's a little bit interesting.

985
01:13:25,820 --> 01:13:29,760
So it was a way for us to also keep in time with the hiding point.

986
01:13:29,760 --> 01:13:34,960
And also, it's like there were, you know,

987
01:13:35,040 --> 01:13:37,160
so if you hear something, that may just be paid.

988
01:13:37,240 --> 01:13:42,920
It's using a pay-by, as opposed to having to have

989
01:13:42,920 --> 01:13:46,220
some journalists come back out and crew create the same thing.

990
01:13:46,860 --> 01:13:48,200
Well, I just want to say this.

991
01:13:48,440 --> 01:13:51,020
What mayors is from when we first met with y'all.

992
01:13:51,660 --> 01:13:54,060
Moving pretty quickly, we appreciate y'all doing this

993
01:13:54,060 --> 01:13:56,660
and investing in that site for what we're envisioning.

994
01:13:56,660 --> 01:14:00,160
It's definitely the y'all were kind of alluding to the future of that area.

995
01:14:01,020 --> 01:14:04,300
The mural looked great and so appreciate it.

996
01:14:05,420 --> 01:14:05,620
Absolutely.

997
01:14:06,120 --> 01:14:07,160
All right, good discussion.

998
01:14:07,420 --> 01:14:14,840
So we'll get feedback to Aaron, Sarah, via Thursday or four, and staff, you'll work with

999
01:14:14,840 --> 01:14:18,800
the Registing Team to kind of have a food conversation on different ideas and face off

1000
01:14:18,800 --> 01:14:19,360
these back tonight.

1001
01:14:20,420 --> 01:14:24,060
All right, let's go to our 7 o'clock, now that was 7 o'clock.

1002
01:15:14,100 --> 01:15:42,510
Under our city council meeting today, we're starting a little bit late, but for good reason, a lot of exciting projects that we've been discussing as a community and as city council. So, thank you all for being here. As always, we're going to go ahead and start with our invocation by Mr. Steven Springer with Global Presence Ministries. Good evening, sir. Thanks for being here. Again, honor to be here and just to real blessing.

1003
01:15:42,510 --> 01:15:46,190
You know, in Washington, D.C. about a week and a half ago,

1004
01:15:47,150 --> 01:15:49,150
and we had a small group of faith leaders

1005
01:15:49,150 --> 01:15:51,110
that met with the president as well as other leaders

1006
01:15:51,110 --> 01:15:51,770
from our nation.

1007
01:15:52,430 --> 01:15:54,370
And one of the guys shared this interesting story

1008
01:15:54,370 --> 01:15:56,570
with me about how we could how prayer got started

1009
01:15:56,570 --> 01:15:58,770
and continued to happen actually even within our Congress.

1010
01:15:59,210 --> 01:16:02,950
And I just really am grateful that this is part of just what

1011
01:16:02,950 --> 01:16:04,330
we do here at our council meetings as well.

1012
01:16:04,450 --> 01:16:06,090
And I just want to just share this here.

1013
01:16:06,210 --> 01:16:11,530
And this is on June 28, 1887, during the constitutional convention,

1014
01:16:11,530 --> 01:16:20,910
Benjamin Franklin called upon the American founding fathers to seek God's wisdom and guidance for establishing this great nation and its government.

1015
01:16:21,770 --> 01:16:32,270
At 81 years of age he declared, the longer I live, the more convincing proofs I see of this truth that God governs in the fairs of men.

1016
01:16:32,270 --> 01:16:39,690
He reminded his delegates of God's faithfulness during America's struggle during its independence declaring our prayer sir

1017
01:16:40,070 --> 01:16:43,410
We're heard and they were graciously answered

1018
01:16:43,410 --> 01:16:50,610
Frank a continue to urge that prayer be offered each morning before the conducting of the convention's business and

1019
01:16:50,970 --> 01:16:55,890
Recognizing that a nation's future cannot rest upon human wisdom alone

1020
01:16:56,450 --> 01:17:00,730
And so I just want to just declare a prayer. So father we just thank you for this day

1021
01:17:00,730 --> 01:17:07,630
And we thank you for this group of leaders that are before us this night God, and I just pray that that you would just give to them God

1022
01:17:08,190 --> 01:17:16,390
The wisdom that they need the righteous this in the truth Lord. I say poor out your divine wisdom upon our mayor upon our council members God

1023
01:17:16,390 --> 01:17:22,910
I just even declare over our police chief and over our fire chief and really all those that serve in this city God

1024
01:17:22,910 --> 01:17:27,910
But you grant discernment, would you grant integrity and courage to all of us, Lord?

1025
01:17:28,470 --> 01:17:32,650
Lord, I just declare, would you establish your justice and righteousness through this

1026
01:17:32,650 --> 01:17:34,410
counsel and through this city?

1027
01:17:34,650 --> 01:17:40,870
And God, would you protect and provide and bring your peace and blessings upon this great

1028
01:17:40,870 --> 01:17:41,750
city of Calar?

1029
01:17:42,450 --> 01:17:43,910
God, turn our hearts to you.

1030
01:17:44,290 --> 01:17:48,870
And let this city fulfill its God-given purposes as a light and a blessing to the great

1031
01:17:48,870 --> 01:17:49,770
state of Texas.

1032
01:17:49,770 --> 01:17:59,570
And God, I just declare tonight, let your kingdom come, let your will be done on earth as it is in heaven in Jesus name. Amen. Amen.

1033
01:18:00,470 --> 01:18:02,250
If you please stand for the Pledge of Allegiance,

1034
01:18:31,150 --> 01:18:32,330
one in indivisible.

1035
01:18:42,940 --> 01:18:54,800
We have a great audience tonight, and I would love to think it's over our work session items, but I actually think it's to help recognize the Keller High School girl's rodeo team.

1036
01:18:57,140 --> 01:18:57,700
We're

1037
01:19:02,760 --> 01:19:21,980
going to recognize each one of you individually for all of your successes, but what I'd like to do is go ahead and invite Miss Cherry Mason and then Sailor Grace if you would mind coming up as representatives and tell us a little bit about everything you're accomplishing learning and tell us about your sport.

1038
01:19:28,000 --> 01:19:29,620
Good evening, Keller.

1039
01:19:29,980 --> 01:19:35,360
So joining me up here, I have my incredible grandmother, as well as the Keller High School

1040
01:19:35,360 --> 01:19:36,520
Radio Teen Sponsor.

1041
01:19:36,720 --> 01:19:39,660
So I'm going to let her have a few words, and then I'll dive in to really what we're

1042
01:19:39,660 --> 01:19:40,180
about.

1043
01:19:40,780 --> 01:19:41,480
Thank you, Bob.

1044
01:19:41,500 --> 01:19:43,500
We appreciate invitation to be here tonight

1045
01:19:45,860 --> 01:19:48,580
as Taylor is my granddaughter.

1046
01:19:50,120 --> 01:19:55,020
I graduated from high school from Keller High School back in 1980, and I told my age a

1047
01:19:55,020 --> 01:19:55,380
little bit.

1048
01:19:55,520 --> 01:19:59,780
I did rodeo for Keller High School, so you know that I'm thrilled when she started

1049
01:19:59,780 --> 01:20:00,000
support.

1050
01:20:00,000 --> 01:20:14,600
Here's a go, and I'm going to go through this journey. She is a senior this year, so this will be my last year to be by my girls. But I won't be away from it. But I will go on to what her college wrote you. Thanks, Taylor.

1051
01:20:16,200 --> 01:20:22,420
As we can all tell, she's pretty emotional about this, but I would just like to say a few words

1052
01:20:22,420 --> 01:20:28,360
before I get into really what color radio is about this woman who I am so lucky to call my grandmother,

1053
01:20:29,640 --> 01:20:36,600
puts color radio above all, and it is truly incredible to see how much she puts in this sport

1054
01:20:36,600 --> 01:20:42,180
and how selfish she is, selfless she is, she is going to complete opposite of selfish.

1055
01:20:42,180 --> 01:20:49,280
I apologize for my grammar mess up, but I would just like to appreciate her publicly in just how

1056
01:20:49,280 --> 01:20:52,300
incredible she is and all that she does for Calarodio.

1057
01:20:53,400 --> 01:20:55,640
So, I'm on the cross for her, absolutely.

1058
01:20:55,980 --> 01:20:57,380
Thank you all so very much.

1059
01:20:59,380 --> 01:21:04,900
So, going into what Calarodio is, we are a team of 10 girls, however we have nine joining us right

1060
01:21:04,900 --> 01:21:05,580
now.

1061
01:21:05,740 --> 01:21:08,720
One girl is living it up and Hawaii, lucky her.

1062
01:21:08,720 --> 01:21:14,380
So, Keller Rodeos, a part of the North Texas High School Rodeos Association, and that is

1063
01:21:14,380 --> 01:21:15,220
out in Sargonaut.

1064
01:21:15,460 --> 01:21:20,480
We have the incredible opportunity to travel across the region, competing in Rodeos.

1065
01:21:20,660 --> 01:21:27,660
That is a association of 68 schools, which will end up growing to about 90 to 100 by the

1066
01:21:27,660 --> 01:21:28,720
end of the year.

1067
01:21:28,960 --> 01:21:33,880
And that includes schools from Waxahatchi, all the way to Keller.

1068
01:21:33,880 --> 01:21:42,280
So that is across the whole North Texas region and we have about 350 rodeo athletes with us and we compete every weekend

1069
01:21:42,280 --> 01:21:50,770
From the hot summer days to the cold winter days. We are out there showing our grit and what the point system looks like

1070
01:21:51,200 --> 01:21:57,720
Is the Keller rodeo girls go out and compete every weekend and we earn points to our team and right now

1071
01:21:57,720 --> 01:22:06,020
is sitting in the highest we have been sitting in the last seven years. We are 23rd out of 68 teams with an all-girl team.

1072
01:22:06,580 --> 01:22:11,660
And that is impressive because all these other teams have boys in the rough stock events.

1073
01:22:11,840 --> 01:22:15,700
The roping and we are a team of barrel racers, goat tires and pole vendors.

1074
01:22:16,540 --> 01:22:23,200
So that's pretty darn impressive. So currently we are work. Yes, thank you so very much.

1075
01:22:25,370 --> 01:22:33,370
We have a few rodeos left, about six, and then we have our finals in May, and we are all in pretty good standings.

1076
01:22:34,710 --> 01:22:40,490
So yeah, we're doing pretty well for Keller, and this is really great to see because it is a dying breed.

1077
01:22:41,770 --> 01:22:46,770
And you all know that Keller used to have a very rich western way of life.

1078
01:22:46,770 --> 01:22:53,670
We had a very competitive rodeo team, and I'm so grateful to be a part of a team that is preserving that.

1079
01:22:53,670 --> 01:22:59,410
from the bottom of my heart, and on the behalf of Keller Rodeo team, we want to thank you all so

1080
01:22:59,410 --> 01:23:04,430
very much for your recognition and support of Keller Rodeo on the Western Relay of Life and Keller.

1081
01:23:05,550 --> 01:23:06,310
Absolutely. Yeah.

1082
01:23:13,150 --> 01:23:17,050
I don't know how anyone follows that. That's the last time I introduced you

1083
01:23:17,050 --> 01:23:22,770
to you to speak before me. That's a great sailor. And that's a special recognition of your

1084
01:23:22,770 --> 01:23:27,410
grandmother. I wondered. I didn't know. Yeah, she is pretty cool. Yeah, she is pretty cool.

1085
01:23:28,930 --> 01:23:34,010
You're a little biased and that's a good thing, that's a good thing, so we are, it's actually

1086
01:23:34,010 --> 01:23:42,930
our honor to recognize all of you. We're really proud of the accomplishments of our young folks,

1087
01:23:43,310 --> 01:23:49,970
our student athletes, and so what we'd like to do is just call you up one by one present you with

1088
01:23:51,510 --> 01:23:56,490
certificate of recognition, but we want you to know that not only are we proud to have you here,

1089
01:23:56,490 --> 01:23:58,450
but we want to see you compete in May.

1090
01:23:58,710 --> 01:24:02,370
So if you wouldn't mind, keep us updated on your progress,

1091
01:24:02,590 --> 01:24:04,510
and then, you know, if you ever have a trophy,

1092
01:24:04,590 --> 01:24:05,310
you want to drop off.

1093
01:24:05,410 --> 01:24:08,750
We'll probably display it in the front of town hall here,

1094
01:24:09,010 --> 01:24:11,950
but on behalf of myself, Kyle Exon City Council,

1095
01:24:12,650 --> 01:24:14,950
and all 47,000 residents just want to give you

1096
01:24:14,950 --> 01:24:16,710
a round of applause and congratulate you

1097
01:24:16,710 --> 01:24:17,630
on all that you're achieving,

1098
01:24:17,810 --> 01:24:19,130
and we'll continue to achieve this season.

1099
01:24:19,790 --> 01:24:20,890
So thanks for being with me.

1100
01:24:40,130 --> 01:24:41,010
Amelia, Missaloff.

1101
01:24:47,630 --> 01:24:55,100
Avo Wadley, Lisa Sharky,

1102
01:24:58,060 --> 01:24:59,320
Kinley Hill,

1103
01:25:02,860 --> 01:25:06,120
Mary Rees Harris,

1104
01:25:10,450 --> 01:25:11,390
Morgan Cousins,

1105
01:25:16,060 --> 01:25:16,920
Sailor Walters,

1106
01:25:22,420 --> 01:25:23,140
Sienna Hoar,

1107
01:25:31,930 --> 01:25:32,840
Vivian Mathews.

1108
01:27:16,020 --> 01:27:27,200
I'm going to jump on the mic one more time and let everybody know that Keller rodeo has a Facebook page. It's just Keller high school rodeo team and if you feel led to keep up with Keller rodeo

1109
01:27:27,200 --> 01:27:32,500
Just go ahead and start just up and give us a follow and y'all will be letting the loop with that.

1110
01:27:32,760 --> 01:27:34,520
Thank y'all for all the sweet recognition.

1111
01:27:35,040 --> 01:27:35,840
Thank you.

1112
01:27:36,080 --> 01:27:37,080
Thank you.

1113
01:27:40,650 --> 01:27:43,590
Insayler, when we get it on, what are the kids call these days?

1114
01:27:44,230 --> 01:27:47,590
Insta and Facebook and Meta and we'll try to make sure we tag you.

1115
01:27:48,210 --> 01:27:48,770
That's awesome.

1116
01:27:49,210 --> 01:27:49,690
Hey, keep it up.

1117
01:27:49,790 --> 01:27:50,770
Thanks for being here.

1118
01:27:51,090 --> 01:27:51,370
Take care.

1119
01:27:51,510 --> 01:27:52,170
Have a great evening.

1120
01:28:01,080 --> 01:28:01,360
Absolutely.

1121
01:28:01,480 --> 01:28:02,500
Thanks for being here.

1122
01:28:12,810 --> 01:28:12,970
Okay.

1123
01:28:13,450 --> 01:28:15,270
Next up is persons to be heard.

1124
01:28:15,270 --> 01:28:19,010
This is a time for the public to address the city council on any subject.

1125
01:28:19,730 --> 01:28:25,670
However, the Texas Open Meetings Act prohibits the city council from discussing issues which the public has not been given three business days notice.

1126
01:28:26,150 --> 01:28:29,410
Issues raise, maybe refer to city staff, for research and possible future action.

1127
01:28:29,830 --> 01:28:31,870
Each speaker will be allowed three minutes to speak.

1128
01:28:32,210 --> 01:28:34,250
Do we have anyone that wants to speak during persons to be heard?

1129
01:28:38,960 --> 01:28:42,460
If not, we'll go ahead and move on to our consent agenda.

1130
01:28:43,100 --> 01:28:47,860
F1, consider approval of the minutes of the Tuesday, October 6, 26 right there to the council meeting.

1131
01:28:47,860 --> 01:28:54,360
After you consider our solution authorizing the City Manager to execute a three-year agreement with that of OX of Houston, Texas for the purchase of Zoom phone,

1132
01:28:54,780 --> 01:29:01,260
it's Citywide Cloud-based phone system through the State of Texas Department of Information Resources, cooperative purchasing program for the Information Technology Department.

1133
01:29:02,020 --> 01:29:11,080
F3, consider our solution approving a proposal from accident and price incorporated through the Bibord contract 743-24 for the purchase of body-one cameras,

1134
01:29:11,080 --> 01:29:16,240
as Taser 10 devices in a related equipment, virtual reality training equipment, camera and public safety

1135
01:29:16,240 --> 01:29:20,640
technology systems, software licensing services warranties and the latest port equipment

1136
01:29:20,640 --> 01:29:29,520
in the amount of not to exceed $1,094,094,645 cents or a 60 month period.

1137
01:29:29,820 --> 01:29:32,720
If there's any volunteers who want to try out the Taser, please let me know.

1138
01:29:32,720 --> 01:29:35,160
I was volunteered during work session to try those out.

1139
01:29:35,160 --> 01:29:42,140
should be fun. F4, consider our solution in approving the contract with Metro Fort Meals on Wheels of Rono.

1140
01:29:42,940 --> 01:29:47,240
Texas, an amount not to exceed 8,000 for fiscal year 26, 27, and authorizing the

1141
01:29:47,240 --> 01:29:51,240
manager to execute our related purchase documents. A five consider our solution

1142
01:29:51,240 --> 01:29:55,080
awarding a construction contract for the 26th sanitary sewer replacement

1143
01:29:55,080 --> 01:29:59,160
project to ESCO incorporated and authorizing the city manager to execute our

1144
01:29:59,160 --> 01:29:59,720
document.

1145
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:04,440
At the city, at six, consider our resolution approving a professional services agreement with Wade Truman,

1146
01:30:04,580 --> 01:30:08,860
co-operated at forward taxes. The purpose of providing engineering design services related to the

1147
01:30:08,860 --> 01:30:14,160
Chandler Road and Keller Parkway Intersection Improvements project for the public works department and authorizing

1148
01:30:14,160 --> 01:30:18,360
the city manager to execute all documents relating there to behalf of the city. If so,

1149
01:30:18,500 --> 01:30:22,180
consider our resolution approving a professional services agreement with Wade Truman, co-operated

1150
01:30:22,180 --> 01:30:27,320
at forward taxes for the purpose of providing engineering design services related to the 26th, 27 annual

1151
01:30:27,320 --> 01:30:31,120
Street Maintenance Project for the Public Works Department, an authorized and city manager to

1152
01:30:31,120 --> 01:30:34,240
execute all documents relating there, too.

1153
01:30:34,820 --> 01:30:38,940
F-8, consider an ordinance, amending the City of Keller Code of Ordinance's Chapter 18

1154
01:30:38,940 --> 01:30:43,960
traffic, Article 10, roller skating, roller blading, skateboarding, electric bicycles, and

1155
01:30:43,960 --> 01:30:47,680
use of other similar devices by amending Section 18-1000.

1156
01:30:48,800 --> 01:30:53,760
Blading to prohibited use of certain devices in and around city facilities in Section 18-102

1157
01:30:53,760 --> 01:30:57,500
relating to election bicycles, providing several ability clause, providing

1158
01:30:57,500 --> 01:31:01,960
appellity, and providing an effective date. That item we've already acted on this

1159
01:31:01,960 --> 01:31:05,900
issue, but just for anyone watching that item is really when there's a

1160
01:31:05,900 --> 01:31:11,020
a spur permit that an organizer has, then that will allow them to help

1161
01:31:11,020 --> 01:31:15,960
request enforcement of, you know, e-bike laws related to that event. So,

1162
01:31:15,960 --> 01:31:21,420
be kind of on a case-by-case basis, but it's a good item for council. The questions

1163
01:31:21,420 --> 01:31:22,120
As I can send.

1164
01:31:22,920 --> 01:31:24,040
Otherwise, we'll entertain a motion.

1165
01:31:24,440 --> 01:31:24,980
Mayer Protem.

1166
01:31:25,180 --> 01:31:26,000
Thank you, Mr. Mayor.

1167
01:31:26,280 --> 01:31:26,560
I move.

1168
01:31:26,760 --> 01:31:29,840
We approve consent items F1 through F8 as presented.

1169
01:31:30,700 --> 01:31:31,340
Thank you, sir.

1170
01:31:31,620 --> 01:31:32,620
Councilwoman Brennan.

1171
01:31:33,320 --> 01:31:33,700
I'll second.

1172
01:31:34,120 --> 01:31:35,080
We have a motion a second.

1173
01:31:35,680 --> 01:31:36,780
I'll see if there's any further discussion.

1174
01:31:37,060 --> 01:31:37,400
Let's vote.

1175
01:31:43,060 --> 01:31:43,120
All right.

1176
01:31:43,260 --> 01:31:43,460
Seven.

1177
01:31:43,600 --> 01:31:43,740
All right.

1178
01:31:43,740 --> 01:31:44,800
Off to a good start.

1179
01:31:45,960 --> 01:31:47,520
Next up, old business.

1180
01:31:48,740 --> 01:31:49,180
G1.

1181
01:31:49,420 --> 01:31:53,180
Consider an ordinance for approving a planned development zoning change from commercial.

1182
01:31:53,520 --> 01:31:55,120
And light industrial to plan development.

1183
01:31:55,120 --> 01:32:00,080
to use for Samantha Springs Commerce, a proposed planned development on 15.63 acres consisting

1184
01:32:00,080 --> 01:32:06,060
of 31 Brownstone units, approximately 8.19 acres of non-residential development and approximately

1185
01:32:06,060 --> 01:32:13,860
3.27 acres of open space, legal describes as lots 1 through 3, block A and lot 2, block B of

1186
01:32:13,860 --> 01:32:17,940
Samantha Springs Commerce Park Edition, located on the east side of North Main Street, approximately

1187
01:32:17,940 --> 01:32:22,320
1,250 feet northeastern, the Johnson Road, North Main Street intersection, and address as a

1188
01:32:22,320 --> 01:32:26,560
and North Main Street, Jason Kloch, catalyst commercial applicant, Joe McCombs, is the owner.

1189
01:32:28,970 --> 01:32:30,290
All right.

1190
01:32:30,290 --> 01:32:30,650
Sir?

1191
01:32:31,070 --> 01:32:31,770
Thank you, Mayor.

1192
01:32:31,990 --> 01:32:34,330
Sarah Hensley, Director of Development Services.

1193
01:32:34,810 --> 01:32:38,850
As a reminder, this item was tabled from the October 6th City Council agenda.

1194
01:32:39,210 --> 01:32:44,430
I do have the same staff presentation that I'm happy to go through or kind of skip through.

1195
01:32:44,550 --> 01:32:50,670
The applicant has also brought their own updated presentation if you want to skip to that mayor completely at your.

1196
01:32:50,670 --> 01:32:51,470
I think that.

1197
01:32:51,550 --> 01:32:54,630
Unless there's anyone on council wants to read the same presentation that you're last meeting,

1198
01:32:54,810 --> 01:32:57,410
then let's go ahead and skip to the applicant if you don't mind Sarah.

1199
01:32:57,610 --> 01:32:58,090
Thanks for offering.

1200
01:33:06,010 --> 01:33:08,190
Mayor council and manager.

1201
01:33:08,950 --> 01:33:12,810
I just thank you for your courtesy and the opportunity to present this case.

1202
01:33:13,150 --> 01:33:15,650
In front of you, I'm going to go through,

1203
01:33:20,380 --> 01:33:21,560
oops, Sarah had this already organized.

1204
01:33:22,380 --> 01:33:23,660
So I'm going to go briefly.

1205
01:33:24,360 --> 01:33:26,940
This is the proposal in front of you again,

1206
01:33:26,940 --> 01:33:30,520
that consists of 31 brownstones in a graded retail,

1207
01:33:30,940 --> 01:33:35,120
and then the adaptive reuse of the existing brewery

1208
01:33:35,120 --> 01:33:37,140
and the church and the bottling facility.

1209
01:33:37,640 --> 01:33:40,460
This is the view down the center of the promenade.

1210
01:33:41,960 --> 01:33:42,660
That's proposed.

1211
01:33:42,860 --> 01:33:46,320
And again, this would be the street view of the brownstones.

1212
01:33:47,400 --> 01:33:49,760
As just a refresher, we've spent a lot of time

1213
01:33:49,760 --> 01:33:52,660
designing this project to work with the existing infrastructure

1214
01:33:52,660 --> 01:33:59,240
and putting together something that leverages what's already on the ground but creating

1215
01:33:59,240 --> 01:34:04,940
something that's destination and walkable with pedestrian connectivity and we've done

1216
01:34:04,940 --> 01:34:10,860
a very good job of buffering this to the Jason Neighborhoods. This is an example of the concept

1217
01:34:10,860 --> 01:34:15,320
plan that's proposed in front of you. I won't go through the details in the zoning but we've

1218
01:34:15,320 --> 01:34:21,420
to modify this intentionally to make sure that this zoning plays out as presented on paper.

1219
01:34:22,720 --> 01:34:28,080
When completed, this project would bring approximately $700,000 in additional revenue,

1220
01:34:28,620 --> 01:34:34,760
39% of the commercial is already in place with the brewery church and bottling facility.

1221
01:34:35,420 --> 01:34:39,640
Again, these are owner occupied brownstones.

1222
01:34:39,640 --> 01:34:46,180
we've committed to an HOA and will certainly be happy to work with staff to ensure that those

1223
01:34:46,180 --> 01:34:51,740
are deed restricted and that the city attorney feels comfortable that those regulations

1224
01:34:51,740 --> 01:34:56,800
are in place. And again we've exceeded the open space requirements and know that something

1225
01:34:56,800 --> 01:35:00,000
that's very important to color. Under this proposal.

1226
01:35:00,000 --> 01:35:21,020
Those will, we're including uses that include restaurants and cafes, breweries, winery, distillery with tasting room, offices, medical fitness, civic, and this would also include the approval of brownstones that would consist of 2500 square feet, again, no apartments. I want to underscore that.

1227
01:35:21,020 --> 01:35:27,480
And then there are some other uses, the bars and the brewery and the outdoor entertainment

1228
01:35:27,480 --> 01:35:30,740
grocery up to 25,000 square feet hotel like manufacturing.

1229
01:35:30,840 --> 01:35:36,500
Some of those other uses would be required to go in front of you through the SUVP process.

1230
01:35:37,820 --> 01:35:42,280
We do want to keep the light manufacturing only because of the bottling facility if we do

1231
01:35:42,280 --> 01:35:46,160
reopen the brewery and that's the strong desire that we would need that facility because

1232
01:35:46,160 --> 01:35:49,320
the brewery building is not large enough to accommodate that.

1233
01:35:49,320 --> 01:35:56,320
And there's several things obviously under this proposal that would have been allowed in commercial or industrial that we've excluded by right.

1234
01:35:58,540 --> 01:36:02,680
There's a lot of discussion and last meeting about the phasing.

1235
01:36:03,960 --> 01:36:11,360
So again, the justification for this proposal is that the majority of the commercial already exist.

1236
01:36:11,880 --> 01:36:14,880
All the proposed new commercial would be built as proposed.

1237
01:36:14,880 --> 01:36:26,940
We need the Brownstones to activate the project and there's also, you know, there's going to be lender requirements and we talked about the debt coverage ratio and the requirements of filling the buildings.

1238
01:36:27,840 --> 01:36:38,860
To do that ride is going to take time and obviously if we build spec buildings and try to lease those obviously be more pressure on the project and the type of tenants that we want to curate.

1239
01:36:38,860 --> 01:36:46,240
Well, we won't be able to be pre-leased immediately, and that's going to obviously have to happen in second and sequence.

1240
01:36:47,360 --> 01:36:52,440
There's a substantial amount of carry costs. The Mr. McCombs, the owner, is done a lot of improvements.

1241
01:36:53,240 --> 01:37:02,140
On the site that is certainly very expensive, all of those improvements are to benefit the project and the development is proposed.

1242
01:37:02,140 --> 01:37:09,380
So there's already a strong incentive that's built in place, just in terms of carry cost alone

1243
01:37:09,380 --> 01:37:15,000
that will be incentivized, there's really no plan B, we'll talk about that in a second.

1244
01:37:16,060 --> 01:37:22,600
In the PD Council proves, or staff, the detailed site plan, there's capped number of units,

1245
01:37:24,120 --> 01:37:25,100
the plan cannot increase.

1246
01:37:25,920 --> 01:37:30,680
These are unoccupied and de-districted, there'll be a traffic impact analysis required

1247
01:37:30,680 --> 01:37:35,940
with the first site plan, and the zoning obviously creates the guarantee that the city wants

1248
01:37:35,940 --> 01:37:36,440
the needs.

1249
01:37:37,020 --> 01:37:40,960
The market and the financing, the lender requirements are going to control the timing.

1250
01:37:42,100 --> 01:37:47,100
And so, and I know about the city is ambitious to start the commercial development and

1251
01:37:47,100 --> 01:37:52,960
finalize the project and I know Mr. McCones is as well just because of the carry cost.

1252
01:37:53,740 --> 01:37:58,880
All of the brownstones would be built in one phase, and then again, the rest of the phasing

1253
01:37:58,880 --> 01:38:04,980
would be based on pre-leasing, and then again, there's strong motivation to advance the commercial

1254
01:38:04,980 --> 01:38:10,420
just because of the carry costs alone. There's no way out of this project that we haven't

1255
01:38:10,420 --> 01:38:14,940
built into Plan B, the only way out is to actually activate the project to monetize it through

1256
01:38:14,940 --> 01:38:20,680
the rent that would be created through the sale of brownstones or the leasing of the commercial.

1257
01:38:21,440 --> 01:38:28,860
I know there's some discussion, and I think you guys can decipher the nuances between this and

1258
01:38:28,860 --> 01:38:34,460
We want to be very careful, we certainly want to present this case within integrity in the facts.

1259
01:38:34,860 --> 01:38:36,500
I'm not over-promise and under-deliver.

1260
01:38:37,460 --> 01:38:39,840
But this is a different product than center stage.

1261
01:38:40,420 --> 01:38:41,320
These are brownstones.

1262
01:38:41,480 --> 01:38:43,460
These are feon, we're not asking for any rentals.

1263
01:38:43,620 --> 01:38:46,720
In fact, we're guaranteed that there won't be any rentals as part of the project.

1264
01:38:48,320 --> 01:38:52,080
Unlike that project, there's already a substantial amount of the commercial that's already built.

1265
01:38:52,240 --> 01:38:53,240
That's ready for activation.

1266
01:38:53,980 --> 01:38:57,000
And there's a substantial amount of infrastructure on the ground to support that.

1267
01:38:57,000 --> 01:38:59,760
And really unique merchandising.

1268
01:39:00,440 --> 01:39:04,220
I know there are some commitments in terms of restaurants and types of tenants.

1269
01:39:04,880 --> 01:39:17,540
We've created a merchandising strategy and really a regime that fits very nicely within the elevations that we're shown that they're really mainly geared towards national and regional credit tenants.

1270
01:39:18,520 --> 01:39:20,340
That can accommodate duplication.

1271
01:39:20,340 --> 01:39:22,300
and we're not dependent on a destination restaurant,

1272
01:39:22,440 --> 01:39:24,340
this competing with all the other outside nodes.

1273
01:39:24,520 --> 01:39:26,700
These are a summer moon coffee,

1274
01:39:28,280 --> 01:39:29,860
or other types of restaurants,

1275
01:39:30,220 --> 01:39:32,780
plodies, or other amenities that could service the area

1276
01:39:32,780 --> 01:39:35,460
that aren't necessarily dependent on one destination restaurant

1277
01:39:35,460 --> 01:39:38,700
that would compete with a lot of other regional nodes in place.

1278
01:39:40,560 --> 01:39:41,840
And again, just as a reminder,

1279
01:39:42,100 --> 01:39:43,760
this side infrastructure is already there,

1280
01:39:44,020 --> 01:39:46,500
it is own, it is own light and industrial,

1281
01:39:47,920 --> 01:39:49,800
and all the infrastructure is in place.

1282
01:39:49,800 --> 01:39:55,360
the church's own commercial, but the remainder of the project is own light industrial.

1283
01:39:56,440 --> 01:39:59,960
That does allow, again, a very sort of litre.

1284
01:40:00,050 --> 01:40:08,670
Liberal use, zoning regime, and we're restricting a majority that, unless it is really geared towards more lifestyle centers.

1285
01:40:09,890 --> 01:40:15,850
So no auto repair, no service, no light manufacturing, unless it's an SGP, and again, that'd be associated with bottling facility.

1286
01:40:16,290 --> 01:40:24,530
No outside storage, a lot of the things that would be allowed in light industrial are preclude and specifically preclude and intentionally, at least from this proposal.

1287
01:40:25,530 --> 01:40:27,630
This aligns with their future land use plan.

1288
01:40:28,130 --> 01:40:29,770
I know Sarah would have mentioned that as she

1289
01:40:29,770 --> 01:40:31,630
represented her deck as well.

1290
01:40:32,770 --> 01:40:34,990
But the future land use plan calls for commercial

1291
01:40:34,990 --> 01:40:37,330
along the frontage in patio garden and town homes.

1292
01:40:38,130 --> 01:40:40,890
And so again, very much aligned with the city's vision

1293
01:40:40,890 --> 01:40:43,910
and your policy document that would be the backbone

1294
01:40:43,910 --> 01:40:46,030
for future zoning hearings.

1295
01:40:47,150 --> 01:40:52,490
And again, being very prescriptive on the type of uses

1296
01:40:52,490 --> 01:40:56,830
that's in the PD versus what would be allowed in the light industrial zoning.

1297
01:40:58,350 --> 01:40:59,170
We've made a lot of uses.

1298
01:40:59,290 --> 01:41:00,730
I'm going to show you a few that are proposed.

1299
01:41:01,090 --> 01:41:04,630
We've gone through and made some recommendations in the use charts.

1300
01:41:05,090 --> 01:41:09,030
We've upgraded the standards and the brownstone since P&D at P&Z.

1301
01:41:09,210 --> 01:41:09,930
We've approved.

1302
01:41:10,990 --> 01:41:14,670
We've integrated your standard approvals for each phase.

1303
01:41:15,290 --> 01:41:21,570
We've capped the number of units and we've added additional restrictions on signage.

1304
01:41:21,570 --> 01:41:28,390
And again, we would adhere to the 377 overlay with the tree preservation and add additional

1305
01:41:28,390 --> 01:41:33,730
conformance protections for the city, specifically all baked in the form-based code zoning.

1306
01:41:35,690 --> 01:41:42,250
I know Councilwoman Brennan and several had some issues with the use charts and the zoning.

1307
01:41:43,250 --> 01:41:48,630
So we've addressed, I think, any of those that would be controversial, as you can see, we've removed

1308
01:41:48,630 --> 01:41:53,730
accessory dwellings to attach private garages or we're proposing to remove group homes

1309
01:41:53,730 --> 01:42:00,710
antennas, assembly of electronic instruments, newspaper printing, tool, rental, wind turbines,

1310
01:42:01,410 --> 01:42:05,270
light manufacturing, wholly enclosed, except we would want that to be reserved as an

1311
01:42:05,270 --> 01:42:06,710
SUP for the modern facility.

1312
01:42:07,630 --> 01:42:13,870
And the rest of those we've relegated to basically SUP with your permission.

1313
01:42:13,870 --> 01:42:24,370
And so, I think we've done a good job, at least in terms of posing, addressing many if not all of the use considerations desired.

1314
01:42:25,650 --> 01:42:30,950
And then again, this is a slide that we presented, but I know there's been some question about the viability.

1315
01:42:31,090 --> 01:42:36,190
We do have a builder that's committed to building all 31 brownstones in one phase.

1316
01:42:37,190 --> 01:42:43,110
They've been building in this market and your peripheral markets and feel very confident that this would be very successful product.

1317
01:42:43,110 --> 01:42:48,510
And we think it would be very complimentary to the vision that we've laid out in front of you.

1318
01:42:49,670 --> 01:42:54,470
So with that, we request approval and also we would approve,

1319
01:42:54,470 --> 01:42:58,230
request approval of the Companion Future land use plan amendment to the mixed use.

1320
01:42:59,150 --> 01:43:04,330
If the zoning is approved and we appreciate your time and consideration.

1321
01:43:05,470 --> 01:43:09,110
Before I close, I just want to reiterate,

1322
01:43:10,170 --> 01:43:16,290
The zoning does not allow Plan B, so I know there's been discussion about the phasing and what

1323
01:43:16,290 --> 01:43:21,130
happens with the remainder of the project. Right now the project essentially is vacant with really

1324
01:43:21,130 --> 01:43:27,370
no game plan. The other alternative would be to work within the confines of the existing

1325
01:43:27,370 --> 01:43:34,330
light industrial zoning and obviously we would continue to activate those buildings in a way

1326
01:43:34,330 --> 01:43:37,850
that it aligns with the corridor, but there's no plan being.

1327
01:43:38,530 --> 01:43:44,630
So if the only issue against us in the city would be timing, and so if it takes longer,

1328
01:43:44,730 --> 01:43:48,750
the site would be vacant where the commercial property isn't till a commercial is developed,

1329
01:43:49,470 --> 01:43:51,250
but the property is currently vacant today.

1330
01:43:52,030 --> 01:43:54,130
So essentially, it would be a creative.

1331
01:43:55,030 --> 01:43:59,770
In addition to all the other things we mentioned, the developer, the owner's carry cost

1332
01:43:59,770 --> 01:44:05,910
is the incentive, it's substantial, and there's only way, the only way out with that would

1333
01:44:05,910 --> 01:44:07,230
be to activate the project.

1334
01:44:08,010 --> 01:44:12,830
And so I think that not only does the zoning provide assurance, I think, the incentive for

1335
01:44:12,830 --> 01:44:15,010
the developer, obviously, is to activate the project.

1336
01:44:15,250 --> 01:44:17,490
And he's highly motivated to do that.

1337
01:44:18,670 --> 01:44:22,790
We strongly believe that the Brownstones are necessary and would be a creative to activate the

1338
01:44:22,790 --> 01:44:23,070
commercial.

1339
01:44:23,210 --> 01:44:24,450
They're important to the project.

1340
01:44:24,590 --> 01:44:27,990
It'll legitimize as the mixed use, but we need the activation of that.

1341
01:44:27,990 --> 01:44:36,990
And I understand, if we could mandate that all the commercial gets built, you know, I think that would be a nice to have.

1342
01:44:37,130 --> 01:44:42,970
I understand the request and the petition, but they're also financing hurdles and lease up hurdles.

1343
01:44:44,110 --> 01:44:50,150
You know, if we had brought a user-driven, you know, entertainment that was the driver and the Brownstones were the accessory.

1344
01:44:50,390 --> 01:44:51,970
I understand that would be maybe different.

1345
01:44:51,970 --> 01:44:55,330
But we're assuring and guaranteeing that this project gets built.

1346
01:44:55,590 --> 01:44:59,970
We want to make sure that we do it right and again forcing commercial and advanced, which forced us.

1347
01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:10,280
That we probably wouldn't pursue if we could be patient and do it right and execute the vision before you.

1348
01:45:10,740 --> 01:45:12,560
Obviously, there's opportunity cost.

1349
01:45:13,380 --> 01:45:16,880
With the Brownstones, we're going to activate the TERS with New Advillorum.

1350
01:45:17,680 --> 01:45:21,360
And so that could be a creative to this project, but also the remainder of the TERS in the corridor.

1351
01:45:22,380 --> 01:45:25,420
So delaying that was essentially delay additional revenue.

1352
01:45:25,420 --> 01:45:32,460
And the commercial is not hypothetical, there's already 40,000 square feet, approximately 40,000 square feet of commercial in the ground.

1353
01:45:33,160 --> 01:45:37,100
So again, that deviates this from any other project.

1354
01:45:37,940 --> 01:45:44,440
And over requiring that really delutes the catalyst, you know, not being able to build the brown stones.

1355
01:45:44,460 --> 01:45:51,140
Essentially, we think would delay also the attraction of the project for future commercial tenants and the right commercial tenants.

1356
01:45:51,140 --> 01:45:57,020
And so, I know there's been a lot of discussion, and I know there's a lot of history with

1357
01:45:57,020 --> 01:46:01,400
the owner, so you know, when it was Joe's time to serve, he stepped up into the right

1358
01:46:01,400 --> 01:46:02,300
thing and served.

1359
01:46:03,240 --> 01:46:06,380
I know when there was a freeze, there was a water issue, Joe stepped up into the right

1360
01:46:06,380 --> 01:46:06,780
thing.

1361
01:46:06,840 --> 01:46:11,680
When there was a right away needed, Joe stepped up to do the right thing, but what's important

1362
01:46:11,680 --> 01:46:16,580
here is I think we're giving color the opportunity to do the right thing and I really, we've

1363
01:46:16,580 --> 01:46:22,480
very little controversy in terms of the vision and we think this proposal is the right thing for

1364
01:46:22,480 --> 01:46:27,800
Keller and we certainly respect your time. It's been a very good process. We expect, we

1365
01:46:27,800 --> 01:46:34,360
appreciate your thoroughness and we hope that you will say yes to the proposal at hand. Thank you.

1366
01:46:36,060 --> 01:46:42,100
Thank you. Appreciate sharing the updates. I'm clear those are updates from our last council

1367
01:46:42,100 --> 01:46:46,380
based on discussion from the last city council meeting in terms of the use chart.

1368
01:46:54,790 --> 01:46:57,830
So you revised those in advance with it presenting to us.

1369
01:46:58,410 --> 01:47:10,650
We did not revise the PD but we're suggesting that we would be willing to revise these and I think as an aid to council if you know if you all wanted to make these adjustments, these are certainly changes that we think would be appropriate.

1370
01:47:11,270 --> 01:47:16,250
But we did not submit a revised PD between the last meeting this meeting just in case the distance changes.

1371
01:47:16,510 --> 01:47:17,310
Yeah, you answered my question.

1372
01:47:17,590 --> 01:47:17,850
Thank you, sir.

1373
01:47:18,050 --> 01:47:18,470
Thank you, sir.

1374
01:47:19,690 --> 01:47:23,590
All right. Any questions for staff or the applicant?

1375
01:47:38,400 --> 01:47:40,700
So, Kelly, remind me, Stan, or Council.

1376
01:47:41,500 --> 01:47:45,060
Did we commit to keeping the public hearing on this item open?

1377
01:47:46,780 --> 01:47:48,040
That's meeting. I thought so. Okay.

1378
01:47:49,920 --> 01:47:55,100
So, that's a commitment that I made and so we're going to follow through on it.

1379
01:47:55,480 --> 01:47:57,620
If there's a member of the public that would like to speak,

1380
01:47:58,180 --> 01:47:59,120
Now's your time.

1381
01:47:59,920 --> 01:48:02,420
We all feedback is good feedback in the city of color.

1382
01:48:03,020 --> 01:48:06,640
A degree or a disagree, and as we want to open that opportunity, we do have that be

1383
01:48:06,640 --> 01:48:07,140
Brian.

1384
01:48:07,920 --> 01:48:08,760
Sign up to speak.

1385
01:48:08,920 --> 01:48:12,380
That's the only card I have though, so if anyone else would like to speak, and please feel

1386
01:48:12,380 --> 01:48:14,200
free to join this Brian?

1387
01:48:19,150 --> 01:48:21,590
Good evening, Mayor and Council and City Manager.

1388
01:48:22,010 --> 01:48:23,530
Again, thank you all for your service.

1389
01:48:23,750 --> 01:48:24,690
I know what it takes.

1390
01:48:25,430 --> 01:48:27,850
Debbie Brian, 760 Mount Gilly, I'd be right.

1391
01:48:29,030 --> 01:48:29,990
Here we are again.

1392
01:48:29,990 --> 01:48:31,990
I'll keep this short to sweet.

1393
01:48:32,410 --> 01:48:35,610
Please think hard long and hard before you approve this

1394
01:48:35,610 --> 01:48:37,530
without the commercial coming first,

1395
01:48:37,590 --> 01:48:39,030
like South Lake did.

1396
01:48:39,890 --> 01:48:42,230
We met with a gentleman who is very experienced

1397
01:48:42,230 --> 01:48:45,050
in this industry, a lot of commercial development.

1398
01:48:45,770 --> 01:48:48,170
And he confirmed what we believe.

1399
01:48:48,370 --> 01:48:50,050
He works a lot in this,

1400
01:48:50,110 --> 01:48:52,390
and he said the chances of this being viable

1401
01:48:52,390 --> 01:48:55,270
in this location by the tracks

1402
01:48:55,270 --> 01:48:57,950
and just, you know, this surrounding area.

1403
01:48:57,950 --> 01:49:04,650
He just said the chances of this being viable are slim that those were his words. It's slim

1404
01:49:05,490 --> 01:49:08,810
Please make him build a commercial first if they believe in it

1405
01:49:08,810 --> 01:49:14,770
I don't have a problem with him doing the Brownstone's after that then if it's you know if we need to put high density in there

1406
01:49:15,350 --> 01:49:19,690
Fine, but if we I think the commercial needs to come first it just does

1407
01:49:19,690 --> 01:49:22,930
I mean self-like like we know a way to seven years and they believed in their

1408
01:49:23,310 --> 01:49:26,390
Project I feel like if they believe in this they'll do that

1409
01:49:26,390 --> 01:49:33,070
Two more businesses have recently closed, it's in her stage, a rumble boxing and one other

1410
01:49:33,070 --> 01:49:34,930
one I can't remember the name of it.

1411
01:49:35,810 --> 01:49:41,770
So I just think flex space or like my friend who came last time Kazmir, a mystery who's

1412
01:49:41,770 --> 01:49:47,390
been a realtor for 38 years here, she didn't think it was a good idea either and she felt

1413
01:49:47,390 --> 01:49:52,310
like a wedding venue with like guest cabins would be a great fit here, if they had several

1414
01:49:52,310 --> 01:49:55,390
guest cabins to stay the weekend, that would be awesome.

1415
01:49:55,390 --> 01:49:59,990
So there are other things that I think would be more viable in the space of nothing.

1416
01:50:00,000 --> 01:50:05,460
And against Joe, nice guy. I just don't want more empty buildings. I don't think it's a good look for

1417
01:50:05,460 --> 01:50:11,640
Keller to have more empty buildings sitting around, like we already have several right now that have gone under.

1418
01:50:11,780 --> 01:50:19,060
So we just have to be really careful on how we develop the rest of our commercial land. So just think about it. Thank you.

1419
01:50:19,340 --> 01:50:24,160
Thank you. Anyone else, would you like to speak during Persia's to be heard?

1420
01:50:24,160 --> 01:50:25,100
It's not.

1421
01:50:25,660 --> 01:50:30,160
I'll go ahead and motion that we close the public hearing or said persons to be heard.

1422
01:50:30,240 --> 01:50:31,080
I'm at the public hearing.

1423
01:50:31,540 --> 01:50:33,560
So I made the motion in Councilman Wattley.

1424
01:50:34,480 --> 01:50:34,780
All right.

1425
01:50:34,980 --> 01:50:35,580
Motion in a second.

1426
01:50:35,680 --> 01:50:36,300
Let's vote.

1427
01:50:39,760 --> 01:50:39,880
All right.

1428
01:50:40,040 --> 01:50:41,920
Public hearing is officially closed.

1429
01:50:43,040 --> 01:50:46,160
So any questions for staff or the applicant?

1430
01:50:47,620 --> 01:50:48,320
Any further questions?

1431
01:50:52,800 --> 01:50:53,680
Councilman Armstrong.

1432
01:50:55,520 --> 01:50:59,720
I'd like to thank Mr. Clons for meeting with me last week on discussing some things.

1433
01:50:59,720 --> 01:51:06,060
I still have some issues with not bringing commercial forward along with the Brownstones evenly equally.

1434
01:51:07,420 --> 01:51:16,660
I like what Mr. McCones is presenting here as a project for Keller, but I think Presidents in Keller has set a standard that

1435
01:51:16,660 --> 01:51:20,480
too many people in this community have reached out saying,

1436
01:51:21,320 --> 01:51:28,100
get some skin in the game, more than what's there now, and I know Joe has a ton of skin in the game up there already.

1437
01:51:28,600 --> 01:51:34,520
I know him. I've known him for 30 something years here in Keller. He's going to do a good project if it gets approved.

1438
01:51:35,400 --> 01:51:40,180
But I cannot support this unless there's some commercial coming with it at the same time.

1439
01:51:42,840 --> 01:51:44,400
All right. Thanks, Councilman.

1440
01:51:49,200 --> 01:51:54,140
Is there an update on the, because I was dancing around the, trying to get at the brewery concept?

1441
01:51:55,200 --> 01:52:01,440
Where do we leave that discussion and what's the current intent with both the brewery and the church site?

1442
01:52:02,380 --> 01:52:08,840
Yeah, I think when we had our discussions kind of preparing for the Zoning application,

1443
01:52:09,240 --> 01:52:13,660
you know, I think we've committed, I think it would make sense to activate the brewery.

1444
01:52:14,060 --> 01:52:21,400
There's going to be some design time involved in preparing for the Brownstones, main construction

1445
01:52:21,400 --> 01:52:27,060
time, and so I feel, you know, confident that if, you know, the residents would want that

1446
01:52:27,060 --> 01:52:30,900
It's all, and I think we discussed early on to that commitment.

1447
01:52:31,740 --> 01:52:41,140
So we discussed with the owner, and I think we see the brewery being activated in conjunction with the approval of the zoning case which would accommodate the Brownstones.

1448
01:52:42,260 --> 01:52:43,900
And the church is next.

1449
01:52:43,920 --> 01:52:50,200
We'll have to go through a full evaluation of the church building, but certainly the church building would be next.

1450
01:52:50,240 --> 01:52:55,720
We haven't done a building study to identify if that building can be salvaged.

1451
01:52:56,420 --> 01:53:01,680
or in terms of adaptive reuse for sort of an indoor outdoor entertainment.

1452
01:53:02,100 --> 01:53:05,800
I think we've mentioned some of the users that we've actually toured an entertain

1453
01:53:05,800 --> 01:53:07,380
with and so that's the next step.

1454
01:53:07,840 --> 01:53:12,600
Studying that building is figuring out if we can use the bones of it or

1455
01:53:12,600 --> 01:53:16,700
redeveloping that site to accommodate hopefully an indoor outdoor entertainment user

1456
01:53:16,700 --> 01:53:19,980
that would also require us to come back for an SEP.

1457
01:53:20,500 --> 01:53:25,360
We recognize that but that would be after starting a construction

1458
01:53:25,360 --> 01:53:28,160
and that getting the church going is our number two priority.

1459
01:53:28,840 --> 01:53:30,840
So, when you say full evaluation,

1460
01:53:32,340 --> 01:53:34,860
you know, explain it to me like I'm in kindergarten for a second.

1461
01:53:36,020 --> 01:53:38,740
You know, I did pretty good speaking the second graders a day, but, you know,

1462
01:53:39,220 --> 01:53:40,240
that's kind of the level.

1463
01:53:40,800 --> 01:53:43,880
What does that mean for my dollars and cents perspective for an applicant?

1464
01:53:44,020 --> 01:53:46,460
Like, what are you talking? Like, from around budget perspective,

1465
01:53:46,480 --> 01:53:49,520
the investment in doing that study, you know,

1466
01:53:49,520 --> 01:53:51,700
what kind of information would you be looking together?

1467
01:53:51,740 --> 01:53:55,220
Obviously, structural and things that, you know,

1468
01:53:55,220 --> 01:53:58,160
But what does that mean when you say a full of valuation?

1469
01:53:59,200 --> 01:54:03,300
So we would look at what the feasibility of redesigning that building would be.

1470
01:54:03,620 --> 01:54:08,900
So facilities assessment, MEP, mechanical to again looking at the design of that,

1471
01:54:08,900 --> 01:54:15,280
figuring out if it would be cost prohibitive to keep the building and rescanning it

1472
01:54:15,280 --> 01:54:21,000
or reconstructing it or actually tearing it down and building something on the site of that.

1473
01:54:21,000 --> 01:54:25,260
and we're probably talking somewhere $150,000 to do that study.

1474
01:54:26,140 --> 01:54:28,440
Okay, that's helpful, thank you.

1475
01:54:28,620 --> 01:54:29,000
Yes, sir.

1476
01:54:39,090 --> 01:54:40,410
Right, Councilwoman Brennan.

1477
01:54:42,650 --> 01:54:45,570
I appreciate you working with us

1478
01:54:45,570 --> 01:54:48,530
and our long conversation about the usage table

1479
01:54:48,530 --> 01:54:50,710
and going through that one by one.

1480
01:54:51,330 --> 01:54:54,690
I'm, you know, taking our feedback in that regard.

1481
01:54:55,310 --> 01:54:56,910
So I appreciate that.

1482
01:54:57,350 --> 01:54:59,150
I'm going to sound like a broken record,

1483
01:54:59,150 --> 01:54:59,950
but I'm...

1484
01:55:00,000 --> 01:55:29,520
Really, I love the development, I love the way it looks. I don't mind the Brownstones, the commercial development part of it, is like the real keystone to me, the way that that looks. And that's to me, that's what sells the entire package. And so like I said in the last city council meeting, I really struggle with building the Brownstones and then waiting till there's, you know,

1485
01:55:30,000 --> 01:55:37,440
of fiscal ability to build the commercial because the ability to have successful commercial

1486
01:55:37,440 --> 01:55:46,340
space is a long highway 377 has been slim. And so it's not, I mean, I'm not an expert, I can't

1487
01:55:46,340 --> 01:55:52,620
say whether or not commercial viable there or not, but in center stage it hasn't been so much

1488
01:55:52,620 --> 01:55:58,780
and that's just right up the road. So I'm not going to change my mind if we're not going to

1489
01:55:58,780 --> 01:56:04,900
phase the way this development is done. I wish I had a better answer because I think it's

1490
01:56:04,900 --> 01:56:11,060
gorgeous. I really do. It pains me to say this but we don't want another center stage.

1491
01:56:11,300 --> 01:56:16,180
We hear about it all the time. Those of us in this selected position do listening to the

1492
01:56:16,180 --> 01:56:21,520
folks in color. So that would be my input but thank you for your time and thanks for working

1493
01:56:21,520 --> 01:56:22,940
with us. Appreciate it.

1494
01:56:25,280 --> 01:56:46,160
I do have a question on the commercial residential piece, and if we don't have the answers right now from a historical timeline perspective, what on the center stage topics, more for staff, do we know rough numbers on what commercial versus residential is on center stage?

1495
01:56:49,880 --> 01:56:51,320
Do you mean like that?

1496
01:56:51,320 --> 01:56:57,100
And when they came in and did their PD back, and I'm only asking you to remember eight years ago, not that long.

1497
01:56:58,420 --> 01:57:02,420
But when they came in for their PD, do we remember the Roth proportional?

1498
01:57:06,500 --> 01:57:13,560
I don't, unfortunately, I guess depending on how you look at it, I wasn't in this in the sea at the time.

1499
01:57:13,560 --> 01:57:20,560
But I don't remember I'd break down a residential versus commercial in terms of the entire project percentage.

1500
01:57:20,560 --> 01:57:21,420
Okay,

1501
01:57:29,280 --> 01:57:32,920
so Councilman Brennan had a great reference point.

1502
01:57:33,740 --> 01:57:36,400
It's 24,000 square feet commercial.

1503
01:57:39,320 --> 01:57:43,400
Community and long area of music hasn't happened yet.

1504
01:57:44,400 --> 01:57:46,900
Single family homes have happened, four and seventy five apartments.

1505
01:57:47,920 --> 01:57:50,760
So we know the rough square footage of the residential.

1506
01:57:51,660 --> 01:57:52,720
I guess that would be the question.

1507
01:57:52,880 --> 01:57:55,520
We could put a pin in that for the moment.

1508
01:57:56,320 --> 01:57:57,560
I think it's Councilwoman.

1509
01:57:58,320 --> 01:58:00,560
I've still people, Councilwoman Brenner is the most prepared,

1510
01:58:01,160 --> 01:58:03,540
maybe out of anyone that I've served with and not to embarrass you,

1511
01:58:03,760 --> 01:58:05,140
but that's awesome.

1512
01:58:07,540 --> 01:58:09,000
She helps us do our homework.

1513
01:58:10,840 --> 01:58:15,480
The, here on this project, what is the,

1514
01:58:15,480 --> 01:58:18,680
do we know the proportional, like the percentage,

1515
01:58:18,680 --> 01:58:22,360
rough percentage of light and industrial versus commercial on the current base zone,

1516
01:58:30,930 --> 01:58:38,310
My last follow-up on the, like, the portionality issue is, you know, under the proposed PD,

1517
01:58:38,590 --> 01:58:44,790
what would the residential versus, and Jason, you might actually know this, residential versus commercial.

1518
01:58:50,060 --> 01:59:00,780
I know there were residential's only three acres out of the 16 acres, roughly 20% in terms of land area of the 76,000 square feet of commercial.

1519
01:59:00,780 --> 01:59:06,820
I'd have to do 31 times 2,500 square feet to get the probably the residential.

1520
01:59:13,640 --> 01:59:19,600
Mayor, to answer your question in terms of the zoning breakdown right now.

1521
01:59:22,300 --> 01:59:28,400
The portion of the zone commercial right now only makes up about 1.94 acres of the entire project.

1522
01:59:28,400 --> 01:59:30,060
The rest is lightened as real currently.

1523
01:59:30,060 --> 01:59:38,260
It's a 1.94 acres, and then the proposed commercial space is what footprint, in terms of acreage.

1524
01:59:38,280 --> 01:59:40,460
It's probably an easier way to break it down.

1525
01:59:41,380 --> 01:59:41,880
8.19.

1526
01:59:43,300 --> 01:59:48,460
So basically 8.19 and 1.94 to 8.19 acres.

1527
01:59:49,000 --> 01:59:53,280
Of non-residential development is how I phrase that in this staff, I know.

1528
01:59:53,280 --> 01:59:59,960
Yeah, and I'm not asking these questions for like an academic exercise or for fun, but...

1529
02:00:00,050 --> 02:00:30,030
You know, when I'm part of my analysis anyway is when I'm sitting up here thinking about the best community benefit or what's best for a color, you know, I don't just have like a 510 year horizon, and I think we all think the same way, like what is the 20, 30, 40, even 50 year horizon, and one of the thoughts I had between the last council discussion and the one today is, I will say I do like the fact that, unless a future council,

1530
02:00:30,050 --> 02:00:38,410
change is the PD that we're locking in six point sum out acres additional commercial space

1531
02:00:38,410 --> 02:00:44,130
on 377 and the reason I like it is a long term play for Keller is because if you look at

1532
02:00:44,130 --> 02:00:51,870
any demographer or folks more steep than the growth of the DFW Metroplex than I would say

1533
02:00:51,870 --> 02:00:57,630
that Keller or you know places close to us will be the center of the Metroplex and so I do

1534
02:00:57,630 --> 02:01:02,970
think and I agree, there's some short-term challenges and what a short-term mean. I don't know.

1535
02:01:03,090 --> 02:01:06,310
The market will dictate. I think there are just challenges in the commercial space.

1536
02:01:07,330 --> 02:01:13,150
But I will also say, from a long-term play for Keller, we're hearing pretty unanimously from

1537
02:01:13,150 --> 02:01:17,590
speakers and colleagues on council. You know, don't have a big issue with the Brownstones.

1538
02:01:20,930 --> 02:01:27,550
That to me has been addressed both from the public and also council. It's really about the timing

1539
02:01:27,550 --> 02:01:40,890
So, I guess when I wait the timing factor, just speaking for myself, I wait the timing factor as much as a long-term play for Keller in the opportunity to lock in, you know, six plus acres of additional commercial space.

1540
02:01:41,010 --> 02:01:43,450
So, I just wanted to throw that out there as information.

1541
02:01:46,230 --> 02:01:51,270
It was, it was, it was informative for me and, sorry Sarah, I should have gotten you these questions like a week ago.

1542
02:01:51,950 --> 02:01:54,170
I just have been, my brain's been occupied with a lot.

1543
02:01:54,170 --> 02:01:54,730
So,

1544
02:01:57,270 --> 02:01:58,590
either questions or comments,

1545
02:02:01,010 --> 02:02:01,190
colleagues,

1546
02:02:18,160 --> 02:02:21,440
all right, we do have a motion from Councilman

1547
02:02:21,440 --> 02:02:22,320
Wattley.

1548
02:02:22,760 --> 02:02:25,980
But Councilman, if you mind, stating your motion, and then we'll see if there's a second.

1549
02:02:26,640 --> 02:02:26,840
Sure.

1550
02:02:27,260 --> 02:02:28,140
Thank you, Mr. Mayor.

1551
02:02:28,400 --> 02:02:28,700
It's certainly.

1552
02:02:29,900 --> 02:02:42,220
Gentlemen, I'd like to let you have this project and it really pains me to be in the position

1553
02:02:42,220 --> 02:02:43,800
I'm in.

1554
02:02:43,800 --> 02:02:50,380
But as I love it, I love the chanset, I love everything about it.

1555
02:02:50,680 --> 02:02:54,720
I have no issue with the ground stones, none whatsoever.

1556
02:02:57,250 --> 02:03:02,030
I know that some of my colleagues had met with somebody else individually.

1557
02:03:02,530 --> 02:03:05,290
I've met with all the due individuals as well.

1558
02:03:05,290 --> 02:03:20,590
And I know Joe, he's been a part of Scheller for decades, his family is deeply rooted here and I would love to see this project happen.

1559
02:03:22,130 --> 02:03:34,130
That being said, what I did since the last council meeting, was I met with someone who is bipartisan in this situation,

1560
02:03:34,130 --> 02:03:42,390
as far as they're not color-based, they're not, they have no reason to favor this one way or

1561
02:03:42,390 --> 02:03:49,030
another. And but they're very experienced commercial people.

1562
02:03:51,270 --> 02:03:52,730
And based on their feedback

1563
02:03:52,730 --> 02:04:01,890
because the commercial element of it at this point is boxed on the north to south and the east.

1564
02:04:01,890 --> 02:04:14,530
It only has traffic on 377 and has no connectivity to harm us in farms for walkability

1565
02:04:14,530 --> 02:04:18,070
in the trail, which is unfortunate at this time.

1566
02:04:19,370 --> 02:04:26,830
But the commercial developers I met with who had nothing to do with this area of color,

1567
02:04:26,830 --> 02:04:30,170
but I just explained the situation,

1568
02:04:32,610 --> 02:04:38,150
felt that the commercial element, especially just had

1569
02:04:38,150 --> 02:04:45,330
very little chance of succeeding at the level that we would like to see it.

1570
02:04:45,510 --> 02:04:55,790
And the cause of that, if there was any way possible to start this commercial at the same time

1571
02:04:55,790 --> 02:04:59,990
as the brown slums, if it were possible to bring them.

1572
02:05:02,060 --> 02:05:14,880
To me, this would be a no-brainer. But if we have to do the brownstone's first, and that is a absolute

1573
02:05:14,880 --> 02:05:29,620
prerequisite to make this happen, unfortunately, cannot be in favor of it. I'm going to do the very

1574
02:05:29,620 --> 02:05:35,660
I'm comfortable saying that I do not wish to do, which at this time I'm going to emotion

1575
02:05:35,660 --> 02:05:37,500
and make a motion to deny.

1576
02:05:38,580 --> 02:05:39,280
Thank you.

1577
02:05:40,060 --> 02:05:40,420
All right.

1578
02:05:40,680 --> 02:05:41,600
Thanks, Councilman.

1579
02:05:49,700 --> 02:05:49,840
Yeah.

1580
02:05:49,940 --> 02:05:50,520
There is a second.

1581
02:05:50,740 --> 02:05:51,440
Mayor Proton?

1582
02:05:53,000 --> 02:05:56,920
Uh, for all the reasons the Councilman Wally said, but the same concerns, uh, I second.

1583
02:06:01,040 --> 02:06:08,060
So, I do have a question and it doesn't require an answer, um, for, for

1584
02:06:08,060 --> 02:06:14,600
colleagues, you know, if I'm sitting in the owner's position, I would be looking for feedback

1585
02:06:14,600 --> 02:06:17,780
on what, like what percentage phasing actually means.

1586
02:06:18,040 --> 02:06:23,980
Because one of the abilities that we have, we're all saying essentially kind of something

1587
02:06:23,980 --> 02:06:29,140
similar thoughts, which is we like the concept, we're concerned about the commercial.

1588
02:06:29,140 --> 02:06:37,620
So what sort of assurances can we use on this plan development to secure those goals?

1589
02:06:38,460 --> 02:06:44,380
I mean, what's like when are we saying commercials have built at the same time as residential?

1590
02:06:45,660 --> 02:06:54,140
Do we mean literally one square foot for one square foot or do we have any thoughts on what that actually looks like?

1591
02:06:54,680 --> 02:07:01,960
Because our thoughts might be different, and let me tell you where I'm going, you know, maybe

1592
02:07:01,960 --> 02:07:05,760
to lead to a constructive conversation, maybe it won't, and we'll recognize the motion

1593
02:07:05,760 --> 02:07:06,360
in the second.

1594
02:07:06,680 --> 02:07:11,620
But we always also have additional dialogue if necessary, and any one of us feels that way.

1595
02:07:13,100 --> 02:07:18,680
So like if I'm sitting in Mr. McComb shoes, and I hear a city council and Mayor say, hey look,

1596
02:07:18,680 --> 02:07:24,720
We'd like to start reactivating the site with commercial and then they come up here and they say,

1597
02:07:24,940 --> 02:07:29,580
hey look, we're going to start to reactivate it and 39% of the buildings already exist.

1598
02:07:30,520 --> 02:07:33,740
And we're going to do that even before we're going to do the brewery before the residential.

1599
02:07:34,560 --> 02:07:39,680
And then we're going to commit using cowboy math numbers 150,000.

1600
02:07:41,000 --> 02:07:42,820
I realize you're committing that anecdotally.

1601
02:07:43,040 --> 02:07:44,860
It's not a contractual commitment or anything like that.

1602
02:07:44,860 --> 02:07:50,200
So I don't want to miss speak, but the intent anyway is to start doing a full feasibility

1603
02:07:50,200 --> 02:07:51,880
study on the existing structure.

1604
02:07:52,620 --> 02:07:58,040
I guess what we're essentially saying is that's not far enough, and so that as a council,

1605
02:07:58,180 --> 02:08:01,060
and so the next logical question is what is far enough?

1606
02:08:02,460 --> 02:08:06,900
And that's right, like just speaking from myself, that's where I would be a little bit

1607
02:08:06,900 --> 02:08:10,960
perplexed if I was the applicant of not kind of understanding the vision of council for

1608
02:08:10,960 --> 02:08:11,700
this space.

1609
02:08:12,160 --> 02:08:16,280
If it's like a one for one square foot, you know, hey, for every square foot, you do residential,

1610
02:08:16,700 --> 02:08:19,220
you know, 50, if you want to do a percentage base, that's fine.

1611
02:08:21,580 --> 02:08:25,660
But that's, that's where, you know, I just want to kind of voice that because that would be a question

1612
02:08:25,660 --> 02:08:27,660
I would be seeking clarity on.

1613
02:08:28,420 --> 02:08:29,100
May you put time?

1614
02:08:29,860 --> 02:08:35,880
Mr. Mayor, don't necessarily like the way you phrase that in the sense of, but I mean,

1615
02:08:35,960 --> 02:08:38,880
if you were for it, I would assume you would have made a motion of prove it.

1616
02:08:38,880 --> 02:08:44,580
That said, I think we spoke a lot for almost over an hour last meeting in this meeting and

1617
02:08:44,580 --> 02:08:47,380
we was pretty clear in relation to what happened at center stage.

1618
02:08:48,060 --> 02:08:50,440
I thought Councilman Wattley was pretty clear.

1619
02:08:51,520 --> 02:08:57,220
What he was looking for in the lack of better way of putting at scientific reasoning with

1620
02:08:57,220 --> 02:08:59,580
business professionals and getting to that point.

1621
02:09:00,180 --> 02:09:02,040
It's one of the least fun.

1622
02:09:02,600 --> 02:09:07,040
This is an enjoyable as a Council member for something that looks as beautiful in this amazing

1623
02:09:07,040 --> 02:09:13,960
amazing but we're elected to make tough decisions and do what's best for the city as a whole and in this case

1624
02:09:13,960 --> 02:09:18,800
This is something that we want to work and if there's a way that there's funding to do it at the same time

1625
02:09:18,800 --> 02:09:20,260
I think that's pretty clear

1626
02:09:20,260 --> 02:09:25,460
If I was gonna I think it would be a really arbitrary to say a square foot to a square foot

1627
02:09:25,460 --> 02:09:26,300
I think

1628
02:09:27,220 --> 02:09:32,140
There was funding for a phases and we're doing commercial at the same time or even before it

1629
02:09:32,140 --> 02:09:33,980
I think that's what council's been saying but

1630
02:09:34,700 --> 02:09:36,440
But I hope that answers your question.

1631
02:09:37,240 --> 02:09:39,380
Yeah, I mean, I certainly didn't intend to.

1632
02:09:39,380 --> 02:09:41,820
I wasn't trying to make any sort of statements.

1633
02:09:42,060 --> 02:09:43,640
I'm not really sure what comments that I made

1634
02:09:43,640 --> 02:09:45,740
that were not as appreciated.

1635
02:09:45,860 --> 02:09:47,800
I was literally just looking at it

1636
02:09:47,800 --> 02:09:48,980
from a fact-based perspective.

1637
02:09:49,920 --> 02:09:55,100
So I think basically the feedback is, as I would synthesize it,

1638
02:09:56,480 --> 02:09:58,140
we don't know to the mayor pro-times point,

1639
02:09:58,280 --> 02:09:59,960
we don't really exactly have the phone.

1640
02:10:00,000 --> 02:10:11,340
For the site, but instinctually, the feedback is probably not enough. That's the feedback I'm hearing from colleagues.

1641
02:10:11,740 --> 02:10:16,940
I don't want to misrepresent that, so if you all want to jump in and tell me I messed up and that's fine.

1642
02:10:18,280 --> 02:10:29,980
But I just think this conversation is healthy. They spend a lot of time going through the process, and I want to make sure that we continue to do our

1643
02:10:29,980 --> 02:10:33,900
That being said, we have a motion from Councilman Watley

1644
02:10:33,900 --> 02:10:36,660
and then the Mayor Pro time is seconded for denial.

1645
02:10:37,360 --> 02:10:38,980
Unless there's any further questions or discussion.

1646
02:10:39,220 --> 02:10:39,860
Let's vote.

1647
02:10:49,190 --> 02:10:51,610
I need to retract my vote.

1648
02:10:51,950 --> 02:10:53,930
I was in favor, so I was against the denial.

1649
02:10:54,230 --> 02:10:54,910
So that's all me.

1650
02:10:55,050 --> 02:11:00,350
It will be six for denial and then one against the denial.

1651
02:11:01,810 --> 02:11:02,330
That's my bad.

1652
02:11:09,100 --> 02:11:10,660
All right, thanks for coming in.

1653
02:11:11,460 --> 02:11:13,220
I appreciate the applicant, Mr. McComb,

1654
02:11:13,220 --> 02:11:20,000
things we're going through the process and hopefully, you know, we can find a path forward to activate

1655
02:11:20,000 --> 02:11:22,080
this site. So, thanks for coming in today.

1656
02:11:24,760 --> 02:11:26,960
All right, G2. Is there any,

1657
02:11:29,170 --> 02:11:29,410
what do we say?

1658
02:11:31,810 --> 02:11:32,430
We need to take action

1659
02:11:32,430 --> 02:11:32,770
stand?

1660
02:11:35,210 --> 02:11:41,990
Okay. All right, great. So, there's a public hearing on G2. So, if anyone from the public would like to

1661
02:11:41,990 --> 02:11:46,550
speak on G2, it's a public hearing to consider a resolution proving a future land use plan amendment for

1662
02:11:46,550 --> 02:11:51,970
from retail commercial and patio garden town home to mixed use for 15.63 acres.

1663
02:11:52,190 --> 02:11:56,070
Leave it as legally described as the site location we just considered.

1664
02:11:56,990 --> 02:11:59,550
So, it's any members of the public that would like to speak on this item,

1665
02:12:04,370 --> 02:12:04,430
not.

1666
02:12:04,910 --> 02:12:06,250
I'll make a motion to close the public hearing.

1667
02:12:08,460 --> 02:12:10,240
All right, Councilman Wolfe, I second.

1668
02:12:10,680 --> 02:12:12,360
All right, motion to second, let's vote.

1669
02:12:16,810 --> 02:12:17,830
Public hearing is closed.

1670
02:12:18,210 --> 02:12:21,190
Any questions for staff on this item?

1671
02:12:21,190 --> 02:12:27,730
Not. I'll go ahead and make a motion to deny G2, Councilman Wattley.

1672
02:12:28,330 --> 02:12:30,590
Sure. Thank you, sir. Motion to second.

1673
02:12:30,950 --> 02:12:32,330
Let's further discussion. Let's vote.

1674
02:12:41,450 --> 02:12:41,450
Okay.

1675
02:12:43,950 --> 02:12:45,230
H1. It's a public hearing,

1676
02:12:45,310 --> 02:12:46,850
considering an ordinance proving a plan.

1677
02:12:47,210 --> 02:12:49,030
It's public hearing, considering an ordinance,

1678
02:12:49,050 --> 02:12:50,210
excuse me, approving a plan development,

1679
02:12:50,210 --> 02:12:51,870
zoning chain from single family residential.

1680
02:12:52,470 --> 02:12:53,890
36,000 square foot lots.

1681
02:12:54,330 --> 02:12:57,410
To plan development, single family residential 25,000 square foot lots.

1682
02:12:57,410 --> 02:13:00,470
For Providence, I propose my development on 20.9 3 acres,

1683
02:13:00,610 --> 02:13:02,470
legally described as a lot one block three of the

1684
02:13:02,470 --> 02:13:04,510
color high school subdivision located on the north side of

1685
02:13:04,510 --> 02:13:05,090
Johnson Road.

1686
02:13:05,530 --> 02:13:07,470
Approximately 20 degrees square feet.

1687
02:13:07,910 --> 02:13:09,290
Yeah, 20 degrees feet east.

1688
02:13:09,390 --> 02:13:11,690
Excuse me of the Johnson Road and Borland Road intersection.

1689
02:13:12,110 --> 02:13:13,250
Address is 9-0-1.

1690
02:13:13,530 --> 02:13:13,850
Johnson Road.

1691
02:13:13,910 --> 02:13:14,690
Curtis Young applicant.

1692
02:13:15,030 --> 02:13:16,170
KLRSD is the owner.

1693
02:13:17,390 --> 02:13:17,810
Thank you, Mayor.

1694
02:13:18,470 --> 02:13:19,890
Kaufmanman planner one.

1695
02:13:21,210 --> 02:13:23,410
Have the aerial zoning maps shown here.

1696
02:13:23,670 --> 02:13:26,370
Subject property is currently zoned SF36.

1697
02:13:27,790 --> 02:13:31,430
I can get a look at the concept plan provided by the applicant.

1698
02:13:32,050 --> 02:13:36,210
They are requesting a plan development zoning change for Providence, which is a proposed

1699
02:13:36,210 --> 02:13:40,830
22 residential lot subdivision with two open space lots.

1700
02:13:41,650 --> 02:13:45,530
The proposed project is located on the north side of Johnson Road adjacent to Keller

1701
02:13:45,530 --> 02:13:52,950
High School, on approximately 20.93 acres, with 2.36 acres of open space.

1702
02:13:54,780 --> 02:14:04,160
Again, the properties currently zoned SF-36, the proposed zoning, will be SF or PDSF-25.

1703
02:14:05,000 --> 02:14:08,920
So that's a planned development zoning with a base zoning district of single family residential,

1704
02:14:09,140 --> 02:14:11,060
25,000 square foot lots.

1705
02:14:12,960 --> 02:14:20,200
The surrounding properties to the north, east, and west are zoned SF-36, and then to the south,

1706
02:14:20,820 --> 02:14:23,160
SF-8.4 with the KIs, the overlay.

1707
02:14:24,760 --> 02:14:34,460
The applicant has also submitted a future-line use plan amendment from low-density single family and semi-public to medium-density single family.

1708
02:14:35,080 --> 02:14:37,500
This is on the agenda as a separate item.

1709
02:14:37,880 --> 02:14:45,620
The properties of the north, east, and west are designated low-density single family and to the south, semi-public with color high school property.

1710
02:14:48,610 --> 02:14:54,730
Here's a look at the proposed development standards, comparing to the base UDC requirements.

1711
02:14:55,450 --> 02:14:59,950
for the minimum loss size, they are actually proposing a 28,000 square foot.

1712
02:15:00,000 --> 02:15:05,960
The minimum law size, of course, SF-25, would hold a required 25,000. The average

1713
02:15:05,960 --> 02:15:14,100
law size of this development will be 32,100-naked square feet. The minimum law width

1714
02:15:14,940 --> 02:15:21,160
does meet the base UDC requirement at 120 feet, whereas the minimum law width on a curve

1715
02:15:21,160 --> 02:15:29,240
or cold-to-sack lot will be an exception to the UDC requirement at 100 feet, whereas the base

1716
02:15:29,240 --> 02:15:31,080
with typically require 120.

1717
02:15:33,560 --> 02:15:38,640
There are also exceptions requested for a lot coverage where typically their requirement

1718
02:15:38,640 --> 02:15:43,080
would be 30% by main building and 50% total.

1719
02:15:43,460 --> 02:15:46,280
They are requesting 40 and 60%.

1720
02:15:48,710 --> 02:15:53,470
The setback requirement does meet the base zoning at 35 feet.

1721
02:15:54,270 --> 02:16:00,450
The side yard, the UDC typically requires 10% of the lot width but not to exceed 15 feet.

1722
02:16:00,450 --> 02:16:12,450
The applicant is proposing 12 feet, but with a minimum separation between structures to be 24 feet and then a minimum side yard on a corner lot adjacent to a street to be 20 feet.

1723
02:16:12,970 --> 02:16:16,790
The rear yard set back actually exceeds the UDC requirement at 20 feet.

1724
02:16:17,450 --> 02:16:28,890
Typically only 15 feet is required and then similarly the minimum dwelling size is proposed to be 3500 square feet where the UDC base owning only requires 2400.

1725
02:16:31,200 --> 02:16:34,920
Regarding elevations, the applicant is proposing 100%

1726
02:16:34,920 --> 02:16:39,120
masonry on the front elevation, and then all of their elevations

1727
02:16:39,120 --> 02:16:41,320
will be a minimum of 80% masonry, which

1728
02:16:41,320 --> 02:16:43,620
does align with the requirements of the UDC.

1729
02:16:44,920 --> 02:16:47,280
Additional standards for way to roofing garage and driveway

1730
02:16:47,280 --> 02:16:50,560
materials were included in the proposed development standards.

1731
02:16:52,340 --> 02:16:53,340
We're grudding landscaping.

1732
02:16:53,420 --> 02:16:55,340
The applicant is proposing that all front yards

1733
02:16:55,340 --> 02:16:58,520
shall be fully landscaped with a minimum of either two

1734
02:16:58,520 --> 02:17:03,060
minimum 3-inch canopy trees or 1-minimum 3-inch

1735
02:17:03,060 --> 02:17:06,860
caliper canopy tree and 1-2-inch caliper

1736
02:17:06,860 --> 02:17:09,580
understoy tree, n10 shrubs.

1737
02:17:10,140 --> 02:17:13,100
Whereas the UDC offers a little bit less flexibility,

1738
02:17:13,320 --> 02:17:15,760
typically requiring just a minimum of two large

1739
02:17:15,760 --> 02:17:18,980
canopy trees with a minimum 3-inch caliper.

1740
02:17:18,980 --> 02:17:22,040
And the front yard of all new single family uses.

1741
02:17:24,490 --> 02:17:25,390
We're running open space.

1742
02:17:25,730 --> 02:17:28,170
The applicant is proposing two open space lots,

1743
02:17:28,170 --> 02:17:38,370
which will total 2.36 acres, which is 11.27 percent of the gross acreage of the property, which is, again, just under 21 acres.

1744
02:17:40,090 --> 02:17:45,090
Sidewalks will be built along the street frontage of each lot, and the sidewalks will be five feet in width.

1745
02:17:45,870 --> 02:17:54,490
There will be a pedestrian connection to the sidewalk along the street frontage to be built within lots, 14 and 15, and the adjacent open space lot.

1746
02:17:54,490 --> 02:17:57,170
You can see that shown on the concept plan there.

1747
02:18:01,270 --> 02:18:06,690
So this is the wall and fence diagram included with the application.

1748
02:18:07,670 --> 02:18:09,410
Go ahead and walk through it here.

1749
02:18:09,750 --> 02:18:13,850
On the western boundary of let me get my laser pointer.

1750
02:18:15,830 --> 02:18:16,250
You can see that.

1751
02:18:16,630 --> 02:18:18,930
So on the western boundary of loss 14 and 15,

1752
02:18:19,850 --> 02:18:21,830
as well on the southern boundary of lot.

1753
02:18:22,150 --> 02:18:26,490
15, that will be a six foot iron fence.

1754
02:18:26,490 --> 02:18:33,110
only the northern boundary the intention will be to retain repair or replace the existing

1755
02:18:33,110 --> 02:18:40,490
fence, depending on the condition of that fence. Moving over to the eastern side of lots

1756
02:18:40,490 --> 02:18:46,330
five and six, I can it'll be the six foot iron fence and then around lots one through four,

1757
02:18:47,470 --> 02:18:52,110
including the southern boundary of lot one, a six foot masonry wall is proposed,

1758
02:18:52,110 --> 02:18:59,790
which would be an exception to the UDC on the southern boundary of Lont 1, because typically

1759
02:19:00,590 --> 02:19:04,990
a lot adjacent to open space would be required to have the open-style fencing.

1760
02:19:07,330 --> 02:19:13,610
And then along the southern boundary adjacent to the remaining care, Steve Facilities A,

1761
02:19:14,030 --> 02:19:19,730
a footwood fence is proposed, which, again, would be an exception to the base UDC requirements

1762
02:19:19,730 --> 02:19:23,430
as typically the requirement would be for a screening wall

1763
02:19:23,430 --> 02:19:26,650
to separate non-residential and residential uses.

1764
02:19:30,280 --> 02:19:33,000
The lots will be accessed by a gated private street

1765
02:19:33,000 --> 02:19:35,300
built to the standard city of Keller specifications.

1766
02:19:35,980 --> 02:19:38,440
You can take a look at the elevations

1767
02:19:38,440 --> 02:19:42,540
of both that entry feature and an portion

1768
02:19:42,540 --> 02:19:45,520
of that screening wall it will tie into.

1769
02:19:48,950 --> 02:19:51,590
The preliminary drainage and utility plan was provided.

1770
02:19:52,390 --> 02:19:54,770
The applicant will be required to provide a full set

1771
02:19:54,770 --> 02:19:57,030
of civil plans that made CUDC requirements.

1772
02:19:58,230 --> 02:19:59,990
Tripped generation form was provided by the...

1773
02:20:00,000 --> 02:20:06,440
Applicant, and then again, the applicant is proposing one gated vehicular entrance off Johnson Road,

1774
02:20:07,040 --> 02:20:09,160
near that southeastern corner of the property.

1775
02:20:11,880 --> 02:20:15,520
This is a summary of all of the places where they

1776
02:20:15,520 --> 02:20:22,820
proposed standards deviate from the base UDC requirement. Again, just summarizing every thing I've

1777
02:20:22,820 --> 02:20:23,480
read previously.

1778
02:20:27,550 --> 02:20:34,650
On September 10th, the city milled out 28 letters of notification to all

1779
02:20:34,650 --> 02:20:37,550
and public feedback has been included in the agenda packet.

1780
02:20:39,670 --> 02:20:43,110
These September's 22nd Planning and Zoning Commission meeting commissioners recommended

1781
02:20:43,110 --> 02:20:47,550
approval of the PDZoning Changer Quest as presented by a vote of 41,

1782
02:20:50,440 --> 02:20:53,640
section 8.02, D1E of the UDC states

1783
02:20:53,640 --> 02:20:56,420
that we're considering as the Owing Changer Quest the Planning and Zoning Commission

1784
02:20:56,420 --> 02:20:58,980
and City Council shall consider the following factors.

1785
02:20:59,860 --> 02:21:03,680
Whether the use is permitted by the proposed change will be appropriate in the immediate area

1786
02:21:03,680 --> 02:21:08,120
concerned and the relationship to the general area in the city as a whole.

1787
02:21:08,620 --> 02:21:12,020
Whether the proposed change is in a court of existing or proposed plans,

1788
02:21:12,880 --> 02:21:18,600
the amount of vacant land currently classified for similar development in the vicinity and elsewhere in the city.

1789
02:21:18,900 --> 02:21:23,380
The recent rate at which land is being developed in the same zoning classification as the request.

1790
02:21:24,420 --> 02:21:29,220
How other areas designated for similar development will be or unlikely to be affected.

1791
02:21:29,220 --> 02:21:34,140
And any other factors which will substantially affect the health safety morals or general welfare.

1792
02:21:36,760 --> 02:21:43,100
Again, the request is to consider a plan development zoning change from single family residential

1793
02:21:43,100 --> 02:21:50,220
36,000 square foot lots to plan development, single family residential 25,000 square foot lots for

1794
02:21:50,220 --> 02:21:58,640
Providence, the proposed planned development, again, the consisting of 22 residential lots and 2.36 acres of open space.

1795
02:22:00,040 --> 02:22:02,540
Council has the following options when considering this request,

1796
02:22:02,820 --> 02:22:05,980
approveest submitted, approve of modifications, table or deny,

1797
02:22:09,720 --> 02:22:11,840
and the applicant does have a presentation

1798
02:22:11,840 --> 02:22:13,160
of their own food.

1799
02:22:13,360 --> 02:22:14,060
I'd like to move into that.

1800
02:22:15,120 --> 02:22:18,480
If the applicant wants to come and make their presentation now, they can.

1801
02:22:32,660 --> 02:22:35,400
Good evening, Council. Welcome back, Mayor.

1802
02:22:36,180 --> 02:22:37,560
Thank you, thanks.

1803
02:22:38,680 --> 02:22:40,360
My name is Curtis Shon with the Sage Group,

1804
02:22:40,960 --> 02:22:43,300
550 Silicon Drive and South Lake.

1805
02:22:43,580 --> 02:22:45,400
Happy to be in front of you again today.

1806
02:22:45,520 --> 02:22:49,600
And I'd like to explain the project we're presenting to you today.

1807
02:22:50,380 --> 02:22:56,540
And give you our reasons for why we feel like this is an excellent project

1808
02:22:56,540 --> 02:23:01,580
from High Quality Project for Keller and asked for your approval.

1809
02:23:01,580 --> 02:23:08,340
It's about 21 acres on the north side of Johnson currently owned by the Keller ISD.

1810
02:23:08,620 --> 02:23:11,620
It's cross-challenge from Keller High School.

1811
02:23:12,180 --> 02:23:18,960
They do have some facilities there, some tennis courts and parking and storage of equipment.

1812
02:23:20,420 --> 02:23:26,460
But the rest of this has been deemed as excess property to the school district and therefore

1813
02:23:26,460 --> 02:23:39,620
They put it out for bid to interested potential buyers to develop it and we're my client.

1814
02:23:40,280 --> 02:23:46,680
David Washington has won the bid until we're here to show you what our proposal is

1815
02:23:46,680 --> 02:23:49,840
and hopefully gain your support on this.

1816
02:23:49,840 --> 02:23:56,920
It is because it's a school district property, partially a land use plan for some of my

1817
02:23:56,920 --> 02:23:58,840
public, even though they own it.

1818
02:23:58,960 --> 02:24:01,460
There's a portion of it that's load density, single family.

1819
02:24:03,200 --> 02:24:07,700
We're surrounded on three sides by a load density, single family, but of course, the

1820
02:24:07,700 --> 02:24:10,100
high school across the street is the semi-public.

1821
02:24:10,740 --> 02:24:12,620
It is owned SF-36.

1822
02:24:15,700 --> 02:24:23,900
This is the property, and I'd like to kind of take you through the process that we use to analyze this.

1823
02:24:24,300 --> 02:24:27,980
Number one, we know it's ZonedSF-36.

1824
02:24:28,520 --> 02:24:31,120
We know that that's important to a lot of people.

1825
02:24:32,900 --> 02:24:41,440
But we feel analyzing the property that just to straight SF-36 isn't the best solution here.

1826
02:24:41,440 --> 02:24:45,040
And I want to take you through why we've felt that way.

1827
02:24:46,240 --> 02:24:49,300
We're not asking for an increase in density.

1828
02:24:49,640 --> 02:24:53,500
This density of slightly only one block per acre is similar

1829
02:24:54,260 --> 02:24:56,280
to SF-36 density.

1830
02:24:58,320 --> 02:24:59,960
And in fact, if you take our average block.

1831
02:25:00,000 --> 02:25:26,060
Size and average and take the share of the open space that we are showing here, which isn't required in straight-SF 36-Zoning, and apply that open space to each of the 22 lots, your almost 37,000 square feet, until area per lot for each of the lots and open space together.

1832
02:25:27,280 --> 02:25:29,940
Why didn't we just do a straight SF-36?

1833
02:25:30,620 --> 02:25:31,960
Well, a couple things.

1834
02:25:32,160 --> 02:25:40,780
We're trying to make this project a high quality project that relates to its immediate neighbors in a positive way.

1835
02:25:41,860 --> 02:25:49,280
First thing, the only neighbors that are actually touching us are to the north there along here.

1836
02:25:49,280 --> 02:25:52,220
We have open space to our west.

1837
02:25:53,120 --> 02:25:57,720
We have open space to our east plus even though it's owned SF36,

1838
02:25:58,620 --> 02:26:02,240
it's a church with a large parking lot directly to our east.

1839
02:26:04,400 --> 02:26:09,260
That's not a residential use and it's something that I think we had to consider

1840
02:26:10,100 --> 02:26:11,300
in doing this.

1841
02:26:11,420 --> 02:26:16,240
We've got the ISD uses in here.

1842
02:26:17,940 --> 02:26:20,620
And, of course, the high school across the street.

1843
02:26:21,880 --> 02:26:25,720
We felt it was important to respect our immediate neighbors to the north.

1844
02:26:26,560 --> 02:26:33,160
And the best way we can do that is by lining up our lotlines directly with their lotlines.

1845
02:26:33,940 --> 02:26:39,340
Now, wider than their lotlines, not sure closer together than their lotlines,

1846
02:26:39,460 --> 02:26:46,220
but we thought this is the way to best replicate the lots that are directly to the north of us.

1847
02:26:46,220 --> 02:26:57,360
And respect those people and basically have them look out on lots that are similar if not exactly like theirs.

1848
02:26:57,700 --> 02:27:02,360
So that's the one thing that we determined in this.

1849
02:27:03,980 --> 02:27:11,480
But one of the other issues we're having is between our northern property line and this property line.

1850
02:27:11,480 --> 02:27:17,000
We have a little bit less than 450 feet of distance.

1851
02:27:18,120 --> 02:27:22,720
The minimum lot depth for a straight SF-36 is 200 feet.

1852
02:27:23,140 --> 02:27:29,740
If you do 200 feet plus 200 feet plus a 50 foot standard road, you need 450 feet there,

1853
02:27:29,760 --> 02:27:33,560
just to fit in the minimum lot depth on that.

1854
02:27:34,320 --> 02:27:39,740
And even if we had 450 feet and put it in the middle there, the lots to the north of us,

1855
02:27:39,740 --> 02:27:47,780
165 feet wide, those lots 200 feet by 165 would be 33,000 square feet.

1856
02:27:47,940 --> 02:27:51,160
So we just don't have the room for a standard thing there.

1857
02:27:51,160 --> 02:27:56,840
We thought it would be better to go the PD route, add nice things like open space and

1858
02:27:56,840 --> 02:28:03,940
customize this to fit the site and do the right thing for our neighbors.

1859
02:28:06,200 --> 02:28:11,060
We also, basically, the majority of the side is not really

1860
02:28:11,680 --> 02:28:12,280
treeed.

1861
02:28:12,720 --> 02:28:15,580
There is just in the eastern area,

1862
02:28:16,260 --> 02:28:17,920
groves of trees there.

1863
02:28:18,380 --> 02:28:22,760
And we wanted to make sure that we were doing the right thing for those trees as well.

1864
02:28:23,900 --> 02:28:27,020
There is drainage going through there,

1865
02:28:27,400 --> 02:28:28,960
that leaves the tension pond.

1866
02:28:29,400 --> 02:28:33,040
It was built with Gina State's north of the church side there.

1867
02:28:33,040 --> 02:28:40,320
and enters the site about in this location comes down to a lake in this location and then goes into the

1868
02:28:40,320 --> 02:28:47,280
drainage channel that's on the north side of Johnson. Ultimately going to the west, just past the

1869
02:28:47,280 --> 02:28:52,560
southwest corner of the property into the drainage that goes south from there, it joins the

1870
02:28:52,560 --> 02:28:55,520
the gene states drainage and in that location.

1871
02:28:57,840 --> 02:29:01,860
So a typical solution here would be to take that drainage,

1872
02:29:03,060 --> 02:29:06,740
run it down the rear of all those flat lines on the east there,

1873
02:29:06,960 --> 02:29:09,020
to that drainage ditch along Johnson,

1874
02:29:10,320 --> 02:29:12,140
and in an open channel.

1875
02:29:12,780 --> 02:29:15,460
But if we were to do that, then we would

1876
02:29:15,460 --> 02:29:18,480
have to take out the trees between us and the parking lot

1877
02:29:18,480 --> 02:29:19,220
and the church.

1878
02:29:20,300 --> 02:29:21,940
We didn't think that was the best way

1879
02:29:21,940 --> 02:29:31,480
to accomplish this. So with some expense, extra expense, we're going to take that drainage

1880
02:29:32,280 --> 02:29:41,040
between lots, four and five, to the street, and then down underground along the front

1881
02:29:41,040 --> 02:29:47,000
of those lots, next to the street, down to the drain's chow. What that allows us to do

1882
02:29:47,000 --> 02:29:57,180
is to save those trees along the rear of those lots and provide a nice buffer between us and the church and the parking lot.

1883
02:29:57,840 --> 02:29:59,960
And it would probably be better.

1884
02:30:00,000 --> 02:30:08,200
They're from the church standpoint as well on that. So, and yes, those lots are the smallest

1885
02:30:08,200 --> 02:30:12,940
lots on here at 28,000 plus square feet. But look what they're next to, they're next to a

1886
02:30:12,940 --> 02:30:19,020
parking lot in a church. They're not put next to any other residential. And so unless you drove in

1887
02:30:19,020 --> 02:30:29,380
here, you would know what the difference is. The remainder of the lots along the north side, some

1888
02:30:29,380 --> 02:30:37,620
them are even larger than 36,000 square feet, eight, nine, ten there, because we have greater

1889
02:30:37,620 --> 02:30:38,760
depth there.

1890
02:30:39,660 --> 02:30:47,540
What the PD process allows us to do here is to customize this to fit the site in a high-quality

1891
02:30:47,540 --> 02:30:55,500
way that we think, compliments our neighbors and works well here.

1892
02:30:56,580 --> 02:31:07,600
In the Southwest corner, we've decided to extend a pathway along from the end of this down into this.

1893
02:31:08,000 --> 02:31:15,480
And this can be an open space area that our residents can use as well as people passing by on Johnson.

1894
02:31:15,760 --> 02:31:18,440
This is an intended to be a private park or anything.

1895
02:31:18,440 --> 02:31:26,120
But there's, it will be nicely landscaped in there.

1896
02:31:26,800 --> 02:31:33,600
On the front here, we've got a nice set back between Johnson and the first lot here.

1897
02:31:33,620 --> 02:31:38,320
And what we're asking for here is a private street,

1898
02:31:38,320 --> 02:31:41,520
gated community entry and that location there.

1899
02:31:41,680 --> 02:31:47,100
We think, with that addition, we can really make the homes that are built in here,

1900
02:31:47,100 --> 02:31:55,000
something extra special. A lot of buyers really appreciate the security that comes with

1901
02:31:56,080 --> 02:32:03,420
a gated entry and we know Caler is not a high crime city but nonetheless that's something

1902
02:32:03,420 --> 02:32:13,380
that ensures that these things will be extra special and really nice lots and homes that are built in here.

1903
02:32:14,840 --> 02:32:21,800
Calvin went through the fence diagram, I can get into the details of that if you'd like.

1904
02:32:24,040 --> 02:32:25,760
Anyway, here's our landscape plan.

1905
02:32:27,220 --> 02:32:31,320
Each lot is going to have at least a couple trees in the front yard.

1906
02:32:31,980 --> 02:32:33,520
And of course, the whole lot will be landscape.

1907
02:32:33,700 --> 02:32:38,980
It'll be trees and shrubs and other things all around these homes

1908
02:32:38,980 --> 02:32:41,260
and in the backyard as well.

1909
02:32:42,740 --> 02:32:50,900
Between our entry road, and here we're going to do a nice buffer of trees here that pretty much

1910
02:32:50,900 --> 02:32:56,620
screens off all of this from the road as you enter here in the lots on the other side.

1911
02:32:57,000 --> 02:33:01,260
Then of course we have opaque fence along the back here.

1912
02:33:01,700 --> 02:33:05,760
Where we're adjacent open space, we have rod iron fence.

1913
02:33:05,760 --> 02:33:10,300
things, but we think that lots of Jason open space should be

1914
02:33:10,300 --> 02:33:11,280
right iron.

1915
02:33:11,880 --> 02:33:16,060
The exception of course here is that the entry, this is open space,

1916
02:33:16,240 --> 02:33:19,640
but it's also our entry and next to the Johnson Road

1917
02:33:19,640 --> 02:33:23,500
through a fair and so closing here is a, it may

1918
02:33:23,500 --> 02:33:26,700
spring wall and also may spring wall between us

1919
02:33:26,700 --> 02:33:30,100
up through a lot of four here because we're next to

1920
02:33:30,100 --> 02:33:33,380
what's, you might call it commercial use, parking,

1921
02:33:33,380 --> 02:33:40,120
a church, a lot of activity there, and we think that the Mesh River wall will screen that

1922
02:33:40,120 --> 02:33:46,920
better and as well as the noise. Here's what the, we're proposing for the entry, you can

1923
02:33:48,260 --> 02:33:54,220
see the gates would be located in the second median here, giving someone who doesn't gain

1924
02:33:54,220 --> 02:33:56,940
the ability to turn around and exit,

1925
02:33:59,500 --> 02:34:03,140
and then, of course, you know, we need to have a nice sign,

1926
02:34:04,620 --> 02:34:10,490
design for the gates in here, and then this will be the, the rot iron design and the,

1927
02:34:11,240 --> 02:34:13,920
the mace removal of the design in here.

1928
02:34:15,860 --> 02:34:20,540
The homes in here, typical homes in here are going to be nice custom homes.

1929
02:34:20,540 --> 02:34:25,980
This is not intended to be built to a sold-do large volume builder.

1930
02:34:26,860 --> 02:34:31,940
These are what we marketed toward custom home builders with nice looking custom homes in here.

1931
02:34:32,160 --> 02:34:33,200
They're all be different.

1932
02:34:35,100 --> 02:34:43,900
These are just some examples of the kind of homes that we would expect to see in here and fit on these size lots well.

1933
02:34:45,040 --> 02:34:51,620
So that's the project, some of the nuts and bolts of why we came up with this design and

1934
02:34:51,620 --> 02:34:53,760
told our rationale behind it.

1935
02:34:54,200 --> 02:34:58,620
My client David Washington would like to come up and address you also and then I'd be happy

1936
02:34:58,620 --> 02:35:00,000
to answer any questions you have.

1937
02:35:00,210 --> 02:35:00,790
Thank

1938
02:35:05,110 --> 02:35:13,070
you. Thanks, Curtis. I give you mayor, council members. My name again is David Washington. Address is 944 North Pearson Lane here in

1939
02:35:13,070 --> 02:35:19,970
Keller, Texas. My wife and I have lived in Keller for 20 years now. We have a son, this is a junior at

1940
02:35:19,970 --> 02:35:25,650
Keller High School. He's a big cross country runner. He's on the Keller High School varsity cross country team.

1941
02:35:25,870 --> 02:35:32,930
And we're headed to regional's out on Lubbock on Sunday. We've got a lot of great young athletes here in

1942
02:35:32,930 --> 02:35:36,370
The daughter is a sophomore, Keller High School.

1943
02:35:36,670 --> 02:35:39,350
She's currently president of the Keller 4H Club.

1944
02:35:39,870 --> 02:35:42,570
She's on the Keller FF 18 shows lands

1945
02:35:42,570 --> 02:35:45,390
and Heather this year that she's showing.

1946
02:35:46,350 --> 02:35:48,810
So we try to stay involved in the community,

1947
02:35:49,010 --> 02:35:50,490
and especially in our kids' activities.

1948
02:35:52,390 --> 02:35:54,150
We've enjoyed raising our family here in Keller.

1949
02:35:54,290 --> 02:35:56,170
We want to take our community to thank all of you

1950
02:35:56,170 --> 02:35:59,530
for your service to our city here.

1951
02:35:59,530 --> 02:36:05,330
Um, originally from the area grew up in Kaliville, family moved to Kaliville in the early 70s.

1952
02:36:05,430 --> 02:36:09,830
I've had family, this was during Keller since the 1950s, uh, so been coming to Kali

1953
02:36:09,830 --> 02:36:14,670
in nine time of life, uh, as you can imagine over the last 50 plus years of my life.

1954
02:36:14,850 --> 02:36:18,570
I've seen a lot of growth and a lot of changes and a lot of development in this area.

1955
02:36:19,250 --> 02:36:24,350
And I believe that gives me a pretty good idea of the types of questions and comments and concerns

1956
02:36:24,350 --> 02:36:27,730
that come along with rezoning and development of our property.

1957
02:36:27,730 --> 02:36:32,510
So that being said, I want to give you a few minutes worth of background information on my partners

1958
02:36:32,510 --> 02:36:36,130
and I'll tell you a little bit about our development, history, engineering,

1959
02:36:36,290 --> 02:36:42,230
color, and projects we've developed and I'll also give you some details about the property

1960
02:36:43,270 --> 02:36:45,950
and our planning over the last several months.

1961
02:36:47,430 --> 02:36:52,590
And I've been developing a neighborhood in the surrounding area for over 25 years.

1962
02:36:52,590 --> 02:36:55,330
Our first project during Keller was Sherry Groves'

1963
02:36:55,510 --> 02:36:56,090
Faves.

1964
02:36:56,290 --> 02:37:00,010
That's the intersection of Keller Smithfield and Shade Grove Road.

1965
02:37:01,210 --> 02:37:04,490
We started that project back in 1999, believe it or not.

1966
02:37:05,030 --> 02:37:08,250
Since that time, we developed several other communities here in Keller.

1967
02:37:09,090 --> 02:37:11,630
The Danbury Parks neighborhood on the Keller Smithfield,

1968
02:37:11,650 --> 02:37:16,350
just north of Shade Grove and north of Billage Trail.

1969
02:37:16,410 --> 02:37:18,830
I'm brought around over to Ramp.

1970
02:37:18,830 --> 02:37:24,270
and see the Sadie Hallowe space neighborhood is on Sadie Road Road,

1971
02:37:24,270 --> 02:37:30,410
over towards Indian No. Trail, but it's just east of Keller Smithfield,

1972
02:37:31,070 --> 02:37:34,450
the Newton Ranch Development and Keller Smithfield and Johnson Road,

1973
02:37:34,710 --> 02:37:37,550
as well as the cobblestone parks development on Ruth Snow

1974
02:37:37,550 --> 02:37:42,750
and the Woodford Development on Ruth Snow that immediately east of the

1975
02:37:42,750 --> 02:37:44,090
Keller Hospital football stadium.

1976
02:37:44,730 --> 02:37:47,310
So I feel like we've got a pretty good long history hearing

1977
02:37:47,310 --> 02:37:52,630
or probably projects that we've developed, in addition, my partner developed the River

1978
02:37:52,630 --> 02:37:58,710
Dance Neighborhood, and along our own street in the Old Town of Keller, and we've been active

1979
02:37:58,710 --> 02:38:03,710
developing other neighborhoods and surrounding cities such as Caliville and Orfuch and Hills

1980
02:38:03,710 --> 02:38:09,390
with Tog and Fort Worth. In addition, we also own two commercial buildings here in Keller.

1981
02:38:09,970 --> 02:38:17,290
So, we live here in Keller, we enjoy doing a business in Keller and, you know,

1982
02:38:17,290 --> 02:38:21,390
We're excited about the opportunity to bring you another development here.

1983
02:38:22,570 --> 02:38:26,170
A little history in the property is originally owned by the Gene family,

1984
02:38:26,390 --> 02:38:28,350
part of the property in 1956.

1985
02:38:29,570 --> 02:38:33,810
I had the opportunity to sit down and talk to Gene, Gene, and Gene several weeks ago,

1986
02:38:33,970 --> 02:38:35,990
and learned a little bit about their history with the property.

1987
02:38:37,470 --> 02:38:43,490
The Gene family sold the land for the killer method of search next door many years ago,

1988
02:38:43,490 --> 02:38:48,970
and then was around the year 2000 that they sold this 38 years to Kettaraya State for the

1989
02:38:48,970 --> 02:38:54,390
Tennessee facility and the bus parking. They more recently sold the remainder of the property

1990
02:38:54,390 --> 02:38:59,170
till an hour homes, who developed and built the homes in the Gina States neighborhood.

1991
02:39:00,250 --> 02:39:05,650
It was around the end of last year that Kettaraya State declared this portion of that 38 years

1992
02:39:05,650 --> 02:39:10,770
track as excess property and had began marching in the property for a sealed bid sale.

1993
02:39:10,770 --> 02:39:16,610
We did submit an offer on the property, I believe they received seven offers on the property.

1994
02:39:17,310 --> 02:39:18,530
But we were not the winning bid.

1995
02:39:18,910 --> 02:39:26,730
The winning bid on the property was a national home building group who had aspirations of putting in higher density and a lot more loss.

1996
02:39:26,830 --> 02:39:28,670
And we have planted at night.

1997
02:39:28,690 --> 02:39:37,710
I believe after a couple of meetings with City staff and in conversations that they decided to withdraw their offer,

1998
02:39:37,710 --> 02:39:42,370
which allowed us the opportunity to move forward with our plan and the plan we bring here

1999
02:39:42,370 --> 02:39:43,750
to get in touch.

2000
02:39:45,090 --> 02:39:49,750
A little bit about our plan and the encourage us to touch on a lot of this.

2001
02:39:50,110 --> 02:39:52,210
We've considered several different plans on the property.

2002
02:39:52,390 --> 02:39:57,190
Curtis came up with three or four different site plans to start with several of those

2003
02:39:57,190 --> 02:39:59,970
out of the 24-Lot, you know, we...

2004
02:40:00,000 --> 02:40:09,180
Our first priority was to be a good neighbor to being in the state. They were well established

2005
02:40:09,180 --> 02:40:16,660
neighborhood with high quality homes and expensive homes. We ended up taking the loss out of

2006
02:40:16,660 --> 02:40:25,820
our north property on to mass their side yard lines. We felt like that was the right thing to do.

2007
02:40:25,820 --> 02:40:30,440
and made us more compatible with their property.

2008
02:40:31,980 --> 02:40:44,500
The problem we run into, you know, the cursor works here, but with that we have right here and this portion of the property is approximately 448 foot of width.

2009
02:40:44,820 --> 02:40:53,620
You take away 50 foot for the street right away and that leaves us 398 foot, but you split that between the lots on the north and the south side.

2010
02:40:53,620 --> 02:40:57,460
and we got lots that are approximately 199 foot deep.

2011
02:40:58,640 --> 02:41:02,520
The minimum loss required in SF36, the minimum line depth,

2012
02:41:02,700 --> 02:41:07,060
excuse me, required in SF36, as well as SF30 that are pulling out,

2013
02:41:07,700 --> 02:41:14,760
is 200 foot, so we simply cannot meet the minimum line depth required in that area.

2014
02:41:16,240 --> 02:41:23,280
Our loss here at joining genus states, the minimum line width in SF36 as well as SF30,

2015
02:41:23,280 --> 02:41:29,300
is a hundred and forty foot. If you notice all of our lots here along the north side with

2016
02:41:29,300 --> 02:41:34,280
the exception of this one on the end, or a hundred and sixty-five foot wide. So we've made

2017
02:41:34,280 --> 02:41:40,620
our lots twenty-five foot wider than what required by the ordinance in order to try and

2018
02:41:40,620 --> 02:41:43,940
begin neighbors serve our friends and our dean of states.

2019
02:41:45,940 --> 02:41:51,980
Our zoning requires the Gannas for 22 residential lots on 21 acres, and in 22.4 acres

2020
02:41:51,980 --> 02:41:58,320
of open space, and we've got an average lot size of just over 32,000 square foot.

2021
02:41:58,580 --> 02:42:05,080
So, I'm just shy of about 36,000 square foot number, but again, with dimensions and the

2022
02:42:05,080 --> 02:42:10,060
shape of the project and the property that we have here, we're a little bit limited and I hope

2023
02:42:10,060 --> 02:42:11,720
we could do down here on the well stand.

2024
02:42:13,880 --> 02:42:20,520
We have, and we have requested an eight foot wooden fence, backing up to the tennis courts

2025
02:42:20,520 --> 02:42:27,180
the best parking facility. The reason for that, there is an existing six-foot metal

2026
02:42:27,180 --> 02:42:34,580
fence around the best parking facility as well as a 10, maybe 12-foot tall fence around

2027
02:42:34,580 --> 02:42:42,560
the tennis courts that has a black mess up or a screen. You know, ordinance requires a six-foot

2028
02:42:44,840 --> 02:42:50,820
And again, it's not a deal breaker for us, but we feel like an eight-foot wooden fence

2029
02:42:50,820 --> 02:42:57,040
in this area would give us a little bit more height, a little bit more protection for

2030
02:42:57,040 --> 02:42:59,360
and what we have there with the school.

2031
02:42:59,980 --> 02:43:05,820
And I'm sure you'll see heavy landscape in the back of these lots as well with the size

2032
02:43:05,820 --> 02:43:09,040
and the quality homes and the price range homes we're talking about.

2033
02:43:09,040 --> 02:43:15,540
So, we feel like a lot of the noise and activity going on here in the school property can be

2034
02:43:15,540 --> 02:43:19,580
mitigated with, you know, pepper-fencing and landscaping.

2035
02:43:21,020 --> 02:43:25,960
One of the other design elements, purpose, touch time, you know, two different options with

2036
02:43:25,960 --> 02:43:26,420
our drainage.

2037
02:43:26,800 --> 02:43:30,900
We could have cleared a drainage easement along the back of these lots and taken the water

2038
02:43:30,900 --> 02:43:35,800
straight out to Johnson Road and the existing drainage easement.

2039
02:43:36,640 --> 02:43:40,820
What we decided would be a better option, and the reason we did this was to say there's

2040
02:43:40,820 --> 02:43:42,200
many trees as possible.

2041
02:43:43,400 --> 02:43:50,220
We were taking a swarm sewer pipe from here between lots four and five out to the street.

2042
02:43:51,100 --> 02:43:57,440
And then we went underground with a swarm sewer pipe all the way down to the drainage movement.

2043
02:43:59,200 --> 02:44:03,840
And the trees are always a critical issue, and a point out, you know, a trees are valuable

2044
02:44:03,840 --> 02:44:07,940
for developers as well, you know, they add value for our loss.

2045
02:44:08,020 --> 02:44:10,120
Everybody loves to have trees in their yard.

2046
02:44:10,900 --> 02:44:15,060
The cost of the storm sewer, we've got an estimate from our civil engineering on that,

2047
02:44:15,260 --> 02:44:16,920
is approximately $200,000.

2048
02:44:18,120 --> 02:44:23,100
So, you know, it just shows our efforts to spend money to make this a quality development

2049
02:44:23,100 --> 02:44:26,160
and try and save as many trees as we can on the property.

2050
02:44:27,780 --> 02:44:33,560
One of the other things that we want to do, I know from attending school board meetings,

2051
02:44:33,560 --> 02:44:36,040
that there's a need for a restroom facility.

2052
02:44:36,280 --> 02:44:37,360
Here are the tennis courts.

2053
02:44:38,540 --> 02:44:40,920
I think right now there may be a port of potty here

2054
02:44:40,920 --> 02:44:42,960
or the cities have to run across the street

2055
02:44:42,960 --> 02:44:44,660
to the high school to use a restroom.

2056
02:44:45,760 --> 02:44:48,940
We've got a water and sewer line coming up our street here.

2057
02:44:49,480 --> 02:44:53,860
So we've told the school district that we want to leave them.

2058
02:44:53,860 --> 02:44:57,700
Hey, it's Henry Stewart's shut out and a water stop out.

2059
02:44:58,060 --> 02:44:59,540
It's probably up in this area.

2060
02:44:59,740 --> 02:44:59,960
We haven't.

2061
02:45:00,000 --> 02:45:12,000
I decided on an exact location, but I will leave that for the end, so they've got the option in the future to come in and build that registering facility, which I think will really help out the tennis court there.

2062
02:45:12,920 --> 02:45:15,560
A little about the builders we're talking to.

2063
02:45:16,960 --> 02:45:24,680
We're talking with several local home builders, many of which living in Calar had been building homes in Calar for 34 years or longer.

2064
02:45:24,680 --> 02:45:30,460
A couple of the names might get her beading and might have built in our developments in the

2065
02:45:30,460 --> 02:45:31,040
past.

2066
02:45:31,540 --> 02:45:38,360
Very high quality builder and building nice honours, Greg read and will read just by the

2067
02:45:38,360 --> 02:45:40,660
will with water for classic honours.

2068
02:45:41,400 --> 02:45:47,380
Will started water for homes, back in, I'm wondering, say it was early 70s, they've been

2069
02:45:47,380 --> 02:45:52,340
building in color in the area since then, will pass away a couple of years ago with some

2070
02:45:52,340 --> 02:45:57,180
and Greg is running the business and Greg is very active in building, you know,

2071
02:45:57,380 --> 02:46:02,800
right now he's got a couple of homes in South Lake that are well above the $2, $3,000,000 mark.

2072
02:46:04,000 --> 02:46:10,340
He is a very high quality builder and Greg lives here in Keller, as well as UM Builder.

2073
02:46:11,760 --> 02:46:17,100
That UM Builder is a sound now in which he's used for both individual home builders.

2074
02:46:18,140 --> 02:46:24,020
Sam's son, Will, is now involved and we met with Will, we want through his model homes.

2075
02:46:24,940 --> 02:46:28,980
They are currently building a greenway park upon North Main Street.

2076
02:46:29,760 --> 02:46:35,520
I think greenway parks, average wild size, is closer to 20, 25,000 square foot, there are

2077
02:46:35,520 --> 02:46:42,420
100 foot wide, but he's had two homes on the market up there, one's currently at 2.3 million

2078
02:46:42,420 --> 02:46:44,960
and one is at 2.5 million.

2079
02:46:45,900 --> 02:46:50,520
to date has built up only 14 homes in Greenway,

2080
02:46:50,760 --> 02:46:54,000
Power Up, and I've all been around $2 million in up.

2081
02:46:54,660 --> 02:46:57,200
These are actually pictures of homes that in

2082
02:46:57,200 --> 02:46:59,200
Builder has built in Greenway,

2083
02:46:59,500 --> 02:47:01,000
Power Up that are on the ground that have been sold.

2084
02:47:02,200 --> 02:47:04,220
Again, we're going to be marketing this,

2085
02:47:04,820 --> 02:47:08,920
and let's go back to the data entry that we wanted to do.

2086
02:47:09,140 --> 02:47:11,440
We feel like that'll add to the value of OOS,

2087
02:47:11,520 --> 02:47:14,140
and we'll be marketing this project to

2088
02:47:14,140 --> 02:47:24,160
high quality builders, and we do anticipate the average value of the loss of to exceed $2,000.

2089
02:47:26,360 --> 02:47:30,240
A little bit without again, I think it's a conservative estimate with $2,000,000.

2090
02:47:31,000 --> 02:47:36,340
But based upon the current market conditions, we estimate that the average home size and

2091
02:47:36,340 --> 02:47:43,120
will be around 5,000 for a foot and have never sells price of over 2,000, excuse me, 2 million

2092
02:47:43,120 --> 02:47:50,820
dollars, which will add over $44 million in tax base to City of Keller and Keller ISD.

2093
02:47:51,480 --> 02:47:57,100
And just to put that in the perspective for you a little bit, these 22 homes with a city

2094
02:47:57,100 --> 02:48:04,500
of Keller are giving the credit for the 20% home static sense, and that would be over 100,000 dollars

2095
02:48:04,500 --> 02:48:10,600
year and then come to the city of Keller, but more importantly, I want to point out the existing

2096
02:48:10,600 --> 02:48:19,380
tax rate for Keller ISD. These 22 homes will provide almost $450,000 in income to

2097
02:48:19,380 --> 02:48:24,560
Keller ISD. And I think that's really where it's needed, you know, quite a bit with what's

2098
02:48:24,560 --> 02:48:29,700
going on with the district and school funding. So hard to believe, but with a bond of coming

2099
02:48:29,700 --> 02:48:34,420
up for election year and everything going on, I think that $450,000 is important.

2100
02:48:36,180 --> 02:48:44,300
A little bit about our community outreach, which is 26 letters to the joining homeowners, as well as the Gina State Patriot Way.

2101
02:48:44,520 --> 02:48:46,500
Keller, nothing to search.

2102
02:48:47,300 --> 02:48:49,640
At the PNZ, we have four people speak.

2103
02:48:50,580 --> 02:48:53,260
We have three neighbors here on the north side.

2104
02:48:53,480 --> 02:48:57,680
I believe it was this lot, this lot, and this lot that all spoke.

2105
02:48:57,700 --> 02:48:59,940
And our boy, they're journaling in favor of our development.

2106
02:48:59,940 --> 02:49:04,560
They were appreciative of us lining up our lotlines.

2107
02:49:06,160 --> 02:49:08,040
And the Hudson's concerns with Vincent,

2108
02:49:08,820 --> 02:49:11,620
if I understand correctly the way they described it.

2109
02:49:11,640 --> 02:49:14,640
There's an existing barbed wire fence on the property line.

2110
02:49:15,080 --> 02:49:17,960
So when their homes were built, the billboard built their fences

2111
02:49:17,960 --> 02:49:20,720
a couple foot inside of their lot.

2112
02:49:22,160 --> 02:49:24,880
And we promise to work with them and we won't

2113
02:49:24,880 --> 02:49:27,540
in the record tonight as saying we want to work with them.

2114
02:49:27,540 --> 02:49:33,280
And we will come back and build the wooden stock eight fence along the property line.

2115
02:49:33,380 --> 02:49:37,940
The six foot or eight foot, I think it's what the preference is, but again, we'll get with

2116
02:49:37,940 --> 02:49:40,280
them on the side of what everybody wants.

2117
02:49:41,140 --> 02:49:46,780
But we will build a new fence right along the property line so that they can reclaim that area

2118
02:49:46,780 --> 02:49:47,640
in their backyard.

2119
02:49:49,660 --> 02:49:55,060
We did have one neighbor speaking opposition here with over on our west side across the Green

2120
02:49:55,060 --> 02:50:00,000
channel. That was all. We currently do not have any money in.

2121
02:50:00,000 --> 02:50:03,980
Opposition in Dean of States, I think they're all very complementary of the development.

2122
02:50:07,460 --> 02:50:15,640
I know there's a lot of opposition letters in Indian, and I'd like to take a chance to address that a little bit.

2123
02:50:16,020 --> 02:50:23,540
Being a resident hearing teller, it's very important to me to do a good job, and to strive to make everybody happy.

2124
02:50:23,540 --> 02:50:28,980
Again, I want to be living here in color for a long time and working here in color for a long time.

2125
02:50:29,440 --> 02:50:40,220
A lot of the comments that came in, I believe there were around 30 of the opposition letters that included the same paragraph.

2126
02:50:41,320 --> 02:50:47,760
I'd like to read that to you and try to address it. You know, we have 30 people coming on it. I think it's important to try and address that.

2127
02:50:47,760 --> 02:50:54,100
But there's no good reason to change his own name on the second one being provenance.

2128
02:50:54,120 --> 02:51:01,340
Keller is a tree city, and we are tired of seeing our open space, the stripped away just for the sake of mine.

2129
02:51:03,000 --> 02:51:06,140
So, you know, the property's always been private property.

2130
02:51:07,260 --> 02:51:09,780
I'm not aware of this ever being declared open space.

2131
02:51:09,940 --> 02:51:15,740
We do have open space in genus space and the channel on the west and the grand channel.

2132
02:51:15,740 --> 02:51:20,820
we want to add it out. It's always been something that I like to do as a developer to

2133
02:51:20,820 --> 02:51:26,520
include a lot of open space at the entry and along the roads. You can put a pocket

2134
02:51:27,360 --> 02:51:34,420
park back here in the community and it's private and you know, it benefits some of the owners,

2135
02:51:34,700 --> 02:51:39,220
especially ones that live next to it. But when you put open space like this and right now this

2136
02:51:39,220 --> 02:51:43,200
just an open field, what we envision is coming in and doing a

2137
02:51:43,200 --> 02:51:46,680
Crayon, walk path, landscaping and whatnot.

2138
02:51:47,360 --> 02:51:48,740
This is a bit of pit for all of color.

2139
02:51:49,040 --> 02:51:51,720
You know, you think about the traffic that goes down Johnson Road.

2140
02:51:52,280 --> 02:51:55,220
And instead of looking at a, you know, a hard,

2141
02:51:55,840 --> 02:51:59,380
mulberry wall here, you've got green space and open space.

2142
02:51:59,720 --> 02:52:06,220
And I think that matters to all of color and all of the community here.

2143
02:52:11,220 --> 02:52:17,140
We're spending over $200,000 to try and save as many trees as we can on these lots.

2144
02:52:18,120 --> 02:52:21,200
You know, Greenwich is a critical issue as we all know.

2145
02:52:22,560 --> 02:52:24,040
You know, we see a lot of Greenwich issues.

2146
02:52:24,340 --> 02:52:26,240
Some of the older neighborhoods in Keller.

2147
02:52:26,880 --> 02:52:31,180
Hard Greenwich, again, comes in here around lots four and five,

2148
02:52:31,280 --> 02:52:33,280
and goes down through the middle of these lots.

2149
02:52:33,280 --> 02:52:43,960
So we've got to do something to provide for that drainage, you know, we don't want to build a lot to and have lots three and four vacant and water draining on the lot to.

2150
02:52:44,880 --> 02:52:55,740
So we came up with the idea to come along with these common lot lines and go ahead and clear and I do an earth and swell in that area.

2151
02:52:55,740 --> 02:53:07,840
So that, if you did build a lot to first, the water coming on a lot for good that, as well, and carry out to the street where it should be, same thing for a lot for a lot to.

2152
02:53:08,520 --> 02:53:13,620
I don't know what you're going to alleviate a lot of ringing issues that we have here.

2153
02:53:15,240 --> 02:53:22,180
One of the comments that I'm feeding in on here says we support reasonable growth, but not high-density housing.

2154
02:53:23,600 --> 02:53:28,800
more in the comments, the United States has large lots and does not have an unreasonable

2155
02:53:28,800 --> 02:53:34,520
number of homes stacked on top of each other, such as the Providence Development. Several

2156
02:53:34,520 --> 02:53:41,440
references to high density and clear cutting of trees, in which we will not do. I was curious

2157
02:53:41,440 --> 02:53:48,040
about that. I went today with Lake of San Fernando, and I forgot the opposition letters, and

2158
02:53:48,040 --> 02:53:51,880
download it, the three phases of final class for being the state.

2159
02:53:52,920 --> 02:54:01,660
And at the same state, you've got a total of only one hundred and four lots, one hundred and twenty three acres.

2160
02:54:02,440 --> 02:54:08,360
But that equates to this point eight five blocks per acre, almost one block per acre.

2161
02:54:08,960 --> 02:54:14,560
If you run that same map on our development, you know, we're twenty two lots on twenty one acres,

2162
02:54:14,560 --> 02:54:19,760
our overall density of 1.0 or loss predictor.

2163
02:54:20,480 --> 02:54:26,820
So, I know we've had to make some adjustments because we can't meet that SF-36 or SF-30

2164
02:54:26,820 --> 02:54:32,180
minimum in some areas because of the dimensions of our property, but overall the density

2165
02:54:32,180 --> 02:54:38,300
of our project is very comparable, if not close to identical, to what we have in genitals.

2166
02:54:39,780 --> 02:54:45,060
Again, we're submitting a PDs, I don't mean it does not give us the right to change our plan

2167
02:54:45,060 --> 02:54:49,840
and send in and build $25,000 for it last without having to re-sign it as I don't mean

2168
02:54:49,840 --> 02:54:51,680
that through this whole process of year.

2169
02:54:52,300 --> 02:54:57,640
So, our PDs' zoning is what you have here, the proof and I, that's what we have to build

2170
02:54:57,640 --> 02:54:59,800
in every night can be significant modifications.

2171
02:55:00,000 --> 02:55:03,000
On this, you know, obviously we have to start from scratch.

2172
02:55:04,800 --> 02:55:09,660
So, that pretty well sums it up for me, free searcher, if you're time here.

2173
02:55:10,560 --> 02:55:13,140
We think provenits is going to be another high quality development.

2174
02:55:13,220 --> 02:55:14,740
Be a great benefit for color.

2175
02:55:15,720 --> 02:55:19,060
And we respectfully request approval, let's submit it.

2176
02:55:19,180 --> 02:55:19,420
Thank you.

2177
02:55:19,420 --> 02:55:20,020
Thank you, sir.

2178
02:55:30,620 --> 02:55:31,720
Each one.

2179
02:55:32,540 --> 02:55:34,040
This is a public hearing.

2180
02:55:35,040 --> 02:55:37,640
What do you want for the public to speak on item h1?

2181
02:55:38,040 --> 02:55:38,340
Yes, sir.

2182
02:55:38,340 --> 02:55:39,160
And

2183
02:55:51,640 --> 02:55:58,200
then on deck, council, former council member Brian, you'll be up, and then what's your name, sir?

2184
02:55:58,680 --> 02:55:59,320
Brian Bennett.

2185
02:56:00,040 --> 02:56:00,840
Nice to meet you.

2186
02:56:01,140 --> 02:56:03,260
And just, okay.

2187
02:56:03,500 --> 02:56:05,920
I've got your address here here in Keller, right?

2188
02:56:06,460 --> 02:56:06,880
Yes, sir.

2189
02:56:07,160 --> 02:56:07,340
All right.

2190
02:56:07,400 --> 02:56:08,600
Thanks for being here.

2191
02:56:09,300 --> 02:56:10,640
I'm Mr. Mayor, City Council.

2192
02:56:11,360 --> 02:56:12,980
Thank you for the opportunity to speak.

2193
02:56:13,820 --> 02:56:18,380
I'm one of the 28 individuals who is notified regarding this project.

2194
02:56:18,380 --> 02:56:21,520
Now, I have to admit, you know, I was attracted to the

2195
02:56:21,520 --> 02:56:28,040
Keller, it's a family, family, family, location, a lot of open space, and it's something

2196
02:56:28,040 --> 02:56:29,220
that's worth preserving.

2197
02:56:30,400 --> 02:56:35,600
When I initially got the letter, my wife and I were concerned about the change and density.

2198
02:56:36,440 --> 02:56:40,640
And I attended the Planning and Zoning Committee meeting on the 22nd.

2199
02:56:41,480 --> 02:56:47,080
I have to admit, courtesy and daily, they did a great job of addressing some of the concerns,

2200
02:56:47,080 --> 02:56:53,520
line things up in the north, and I was impressed by my neighbors that they were satisfied

2201
02:56:53,520 --> 02:56:59,680
with some of the developments that were included, some of the concerns concluded in

2202
02:56:59,680 --> 02:57:00,300
their planning.

2203
02:57:01,460 --> 02:57:08,380
My concerns initially were, I believe, used to mention Mr. Mayor, about the long-term use

2204
02:57:08,380 --> 02:57:14,040
of color, and looking at what the increase intensity might be, I think there's a great job

2205
02:57:14,040 --> 02:57:17,440
of looking at 28,000 square feet for their lots.

2206
02:57:18,240 --> 02:57:20,420
But the lot coverage for the main building,

2207
02:57:20,800 --> 02:57:25,200
going from 30 to 40% is a 14% increase in density.

2208
02:57:26,080 --> 02:57:28,660
The total lot coverage going from 50 to 60%

2209
02:57:28,660 --> 02:57:30,860
is a 20% loss of open space.

2210
02:57:31,560 --> 02:57:33,620
And the compliant community open space,

2211
02:57:33,960 --> 02:57:36,860
although there is a nice drawing there,

2212
02:57:37,260 --> 02:57:42,500
is 11.27% versus the unified development code requirement

2213
02:57:42,500 --> 02:57:46,960
of 15% is a 24% reduction in open space.

2214
02:57:49,400 --> 02:57:52,400
For the record, I'm not opposing this particular development.

2215
02:57:53,360 --> 02:57:56,680
I was very pleased to see that my neighbor's reaction to that in the north.

2216
02:57:57,560 --> 02:58:02,080
My concern is long term for development for Keller.

2217
02:58:02,640 --> 02:58:03,640
I'm new to Keller.

2218
02:58:03,880 --> 02:58:07,860
I was attracted to Keller because of its environment and it's open space.

2219
02:58:08,440 --> 02:58:12,200
And I just want to make sure that this is not a change in direction.

2220
02:58:12,200 --> 02:58:19,260
I want to see our community continue to thrive, I want to see our community continue to be family friendly.

2221
02:58:20,040 --> 02:58:22,240
But I also welcome ongoing development.

2222
02:58:23,040 --> 02:58:25,700
We can't have undevelopment areas for forever.

2223
02:58:25,980 --> 02:58:26,960
So what's the right mix?

2224
02:58:27,800 --> 02:58:34,760
And that's my only concern is making sure that this body continues to take a look at the interest of the city of Keller.

2225
02:58:35,480 --> 02:58:41,000
And all of our residents both now and the future residents who will be part of this community.

2226
02:58:41,000 --> 02:58:46,600
And just hope there's an open dialogue to make sure that we have all the open space and

2227
02:58:47,280 --> 02:58:49,820
address the community issues going forward.

2228
02:58:50,100 --> 02:58:54,500
And I hope that's the case for this development as well as other developments in the future.

2229
02:58:55,140 --> 02:58:56,920
So thank you for your time and your consideration.

2230
02:58:57,780 --> 02:58:58,520
Thank you, Mr. Bennett.

2231
02:58:58,940 --> 02:59:00,060
Appreciate you being here.

2232
02:59:00,340 --> 02:59:00,980
Welcome to Keller.

2233
02:59:04,460 --> 02:59:04,780
It's Brian.

2234
02:59:06,640 --> 02:59:07,280
Hello again.

2235
02:59:09,360 --> 02:59:13,740
I urge you to stick to the zoning on this one.

2236
02:59:14,820 --> 02:59:18,620
Many, I think, 99 or 100% of all the developments,

2237
02:59:18,980 --> 02:59:23,360
Mr. Washington mentioned all were pretty drastic

2238
02:59:23,360 --> 02:59:25,200
down zoning in the city.

2239
02:59:26,200 --> 02:59:30,360
So he's already gotten a lot of down zoning accomplished

2240
02:59:30,360 --> 02:59:33,540
recently down Johnson on the end of Johnson at

2241
02:59:34,580 --> 02:59:43,040
there. So I don't think he's hurting for business any time soon. But I have a most respect

2242
02:59:43,040 --> 02:59:47,460
form and what he does and he is right to ask for whatever he wants. They aren't really

2243
02:59:47,460 --> 02:59:53,740
need topography issues, major topography issues on this land that I know of. And

2244
02:59:57,180 --> 02:59:59,960
it's a good example how they can build its own.

2245
03:00:00,000 --> 03:00:15,300
And make it pretty and have open space in the middle that like it does, or the fountain is. And I just don't see a reason why we need to do this, allowing these zoning changes over and over and over, just invites more zoning change requests.

2246
03:00:15,960 --> 03:00:27,700
When I was on council, we didn't have that many coming because we were comprised of people who wanted to do right by the citizens who listened to the citizens and they knew the chances of them getting that down zoning was slammed.

2247
03:00:27,700 --> 03:00:30,600
So we really didn't have that many to deal with.

2248
03:00:30,620 --> 03:00:31,700
Our meetings were shorter.

2249
03:00:31,940 --> 03:00:32,420
It was nice.

2250
03:00:32,700 --> 03:00:34,000
We were out here at 9 or 10 o'clock.

2251
03:00:34,120 --> 03:00:35,680
At the lightest were like, this was correct.

2252
03:00:36,580 --> 03:00:38,460
So not that that's the reason you should do it.

2253
03:00:39,740 --> 03:00:42,900
But anyway, I don't think no data centers.

2254
03:00:43,480 --> 03:00:43,840
No what?

2255
03:00:44,260 --> 03:00:44,680
Data centers?

2256
03:00:45,200 --> 03:00:45,780
Data centers?

2257
03:00:45,900 --> 03:00:46,780
No data centers?

2258
03:00:47,300 --> 03:00:48,160
Oh, data centers.

2259
03:00:48,440 --> 03:00:49,520
No, no, no, no, we didn't have that.

2260
03:00:49,740 --> 03:00:50,220
Thank goodness.

2261
03:00:51,740 --> 03:00:57,140
So I don't think the tennis courts play tennis, as you all know.

2262
03:00:59,040 --> 03:01:12,740
One of our members of our group here, Kate, over there, she's the one to the west, she wrote to an email about this, she says she can hear, well, there's the tennis courts, but she hears the buses starting at 630 in the morning inside her house.

2263
03:01:13,300 --> 03:01:19,180
I don't know why anybody would want to be any closer to that bus parking lot than they have to be.

2264
03:01:19,180 --> 03:01:23,680
but that's going to be a very big annoyance plus the band playing across the street that they

2265
03:01:23,680 --> 03:01:28,220
already endure. The tennis court, she says there's tennis balls all back there behind there

2266
03:01:28,220 --> 03:01:34,880
all the time and the light, you've got the tennis court lights. So I think a better solution might

2267
03:01:34,880 --> 03:01:39,700
be to put the street right along there and just put bigger lights, three or four million dollar

2268
03:01:39,700 --> 03:01:43,860
houses on the north side maybe. I'm not sure why he feels like they need to line up

2269
03:01:43,860 --> 03:01:48,800
property line to property line along the back. If he builds disowning he can always come as for a

2270
03:01:48,800 --> 03:01:55,660
we know for the lot dimensions that we gave variances on that kept on 36, but if they

2271
03:01:55,660 --> 03:01:59,880
needed to make some of the lots wider and not quite as deep, we're good with that,

2272
03:01:59,940 --> 03:02:04,620
you know, just keep the zoning so the density stays the same. So I encourage

2273
03:02:04,620 --> 03:02:09,500
all to deny this and have them build its zoning, come back with a different concept. Thank

2274
03:02:09,500 --> 03:02:11,120
you. Thank you.

2275
03:02:12,120 --> 03:02:18,060
Is there anyone else from the public that would like to speak on item H2, to me, H1?

2276
03:02:21,750 --> 03:02:22,150
Excuse me, sir.

2277
03:02:29,670 --> 03:02:30,730
And now this isn't what I'm reading.

2278
03:02:31,990 --> 03:02:33,450
Mine's going to be short and sweet.

2279
03:02:33,790 --> 03:02:35,590
But in America, I don't want to name a draw to have it.

2280
03:02:35,590 --> 03:02:37,450
I have it in a more original color.

2281
03:02:39,030 --> 03:02:43,670
So I think that this project, and just so you know,

2282
03:02:43,670 --> 03:02:45,210
I am a residential real estate broker.

2283
03:02:45,990 --> 03:02:47,130
My office is a serial killer.

2284
03:02:47,750 --> 03:02:51,010
So I deal with the people coming into town

2285
03:02:51,010 --> 03:02:54,850
of people wanting to move to our city, the people who want to stay in our city, the people

2286
03:02:54,850 --> 03:03:00,090
who don't want to have to move to other areas to be able to move into homes and to a development

2287
03:03:00,090 --> 03:03:00,910
like this.

2288
03:03:01,210 --> 03:03:04,190
I know that we've lost a lot of people who'd like to stay in color, who've moved out to

2289
03:03:04,190 --> 03:03:08,950
our guy, who've moved out to Justin, who moved out to other places to be able to do a development

2290
03:03:08,950 --> 03:03:09,830
like this.

2291
03:03:10,170 --> 03:03:15,510
Yes, it's a little bit smaller than what the zoning is set up for, but I think they've done

2292
03:03:15,510 --> 03:03:20,990
a really good job of putting together a project that works for color, that works for

2293
03:03:20,990 --> 03:03:25,470
space, and sometimes, yes, we have to be a little bit flexible in how we move these lots

2294
03:03:25,470 --> 03:03:30,430
around. And at the end of the day, in order to be able to create a development like this,

2295
03:03:30,690 --> 03:03:36,230
it has to be economically feasible as well. And Ms. Bryant's idea of moving the street,

2296
03:03:36,570 --> 03:03:42,050
great idea does that make the project to where now the homes have to be four and five million,

2297
03:03:42,270 --> 03:03:47,270
to be able to afford the property to be able to do the development. I think that we're getting to

2298
03:03:47,270 --> 03:03:54,550
point to where the capital is in place for development and

2299
03:03:54,550 --> 03:03:56,730
colors, as far as the cost of the homes.

2300
03:03:57,450 --> 03:04:00,710
And in order to make these lots to make less lots in this

2301
03:04:00,710 --> 03:04:04,070
development, the home value is going to have to increase.

2302
03:04:04,850 --> 03:04:07,650
So all of this just simply to say, I like what they've done.

2303
03:04:07,850 --> 03:04:11,010
I like that they put the care into making a nice project.

2304
03:04:11,350 --> 03:04:12,890
I think that these will sell.

2305
03:04:13,350 --> 03:04:16,090
And yes, tennis courts and all of those things in place,

2306
03:04:16,590 --> 03:04:25,250
My previous life before real estate was automotive related, and I'm trying to word this correctly, so let's say it.

2307
03:04:26,190 --> 03:04:32,250
So I met a guy who was an old-time and they had a really old car on the lot, and loved used car a lot.

2308
03:04:32,510 --> 03:04:35,250
And I said, who'd ever buy that? And he said, Rodney, there's an ask for every seat.

2309
03:04:36,050 --> 03:04:42,670
And so with that said, there's a buyer for every home. Yes, I said it. There's a buyer for every home.

2310
03:04:42,670 --> 03:04:50,850
And so I believe that we have folks who are moving here who won't mind the tennis courts, they won't mind the buses in the morning for a few minutes, and they will buy these homes.

2311
03:04:51,490 --> 03:04:54,930
And so I'm in favor of this project, I think it's a very nice project.

2312
03:04:55,190 --> 03:04:59,770
I've seen the homes that they're referencing in the other neighborhood, very beautiful homes. She should drive through there.

2313
03:05:00,000 --> 03:05:03,120
And if you have it, and that's all I've got to say. Thank you.

2314
03:05:03,320 --> 03:05:08,260
All right. Thank you, sir. Anyone else, like to speak on item H1?

2315
03:05:12,630 --> 03:05:15,350
Not motion, the close of public hearing.

2316
03:05:17,650 --> 03:05:18,770
Council of Wattley.

2317
03:05:20,230 --> 03:05:23,010
All right. We have a motion a second. It's vote.

2318
03:05:25,940 --> 03:05:29,260
Public hearing is closed. Questions for staff for the applicant?

2319
03:05:36,020 --> 03:05:36,500
Mayor Brotam.

2320
03:05:38,220 --> 03:05:40,700
My question is pretty quick, just one real quick.

2321
03:05:40,880 --> 03:05:43,280
What was the, and I'm sorry I had to step out for a quick second.

2322
03:05:43,600 --> 03:05:45,840
Did y'all mention a price point you're targeting for these?

2323
03:05:46,460 --> 03:05:47,020
Just at a curiosity.

2324
03:05:49,910 --> 03:05:52,250
I know it's early in the project, but I just kind of went home.

2325
03:05:52,330 --> 03:05:52,970
Yeah, the homes.

2326
03:05:53,210 --> 03:05:54,590
Is that right over $2 million?

2327
03:05:54,970 --> 03:05:55,570
A brand, okay.

2328
03:05:55,810 --> 03:05:58,370
Yeah, I've compared to Greenway Park and what's going on there.

2329
03:05:58,390 --> 03:06:03,390
That's kind of the brometer for, I think, what we're doing here.

2330
03:06:03,710 --> 03:06:06,430
And again, there's a home on the market there for $2.3 currently.

2331
03:06:06,430 --> 03:06:14,170
another for 2.6, part 2.5, excuse me. So, you know, it would be about two years before

2332
03:06:14,170 --> 03:06:18,750
these loss are actually on the ground already to build. We've approved tonight, we've got

2333
03:06:18,750 --> 03:06:24,850
to go through the detailed site plan process. We then have to craft the construction plans and

2334
03:06:24,850 --> 03:06:30,430
if they should review it. You would probably be a year before we grow ground and then another

2335
03:06:30,430 --> 03:06:34,890
year of construction. So, if you continue to find, it could be $3 million.

2336
03:06:34,890 --> 03:06:38,950
Yeah, depending on the market, I have more questions by asking later on my colleagues

2337
03:06:38,950 --> 03:06:39,770
have a bunch of questions.

2338
03:06:40,050 --> 03:06:41,050
Thank you.

2339
03:06:41,090 --> 03:06:41,530
Sir.

2340
03:06:41,850 --> 03:06:42,370
Carlson Wally.

2341
03:06:43,990 --> 03:06:44,930
Thank you, Mr. Mayor.

2342
03:06:45,970 --> 03:06:46,870
Hey, Curtis Dave.

2343
03:06:47,170 --> 03:06:47,370
How are you?

2344
03:06:47,390 --> 03:06:47,990
Hello, Mr. Speaker.

2345
03:06:48,550 --> 03:06:57,390
You know, I'm just saying hey, I've seen you in here many times, and you've seen me here

2346
03:06:57,390 --> 03:06:58,570
as well.

2347
03:06:59,830 --> 03:07:10,270
Gentlemen, Ms. Brian had a very, very good point in the fact that the North to South border

2348
03:07:10,860 --> 03:07:15,790
on the Western half that borders the bus lots.

2349
03:07:16,810 --> 03:07:25,170
I understand it doesn't make the U.D. see a requirement of 200 foot lot depth, but a variance

2350
03:07:25,170 --> 03:07:36,450
for that, it's very, and I'm just speaking for me, I'm a proponent of SF-36, and if a developer

2351
03:07:36,450 --> 03:07:45,310
tells me, hey, my watch for 185 feet, but I'm making up for in width and I'm still having

2352
03:07:45,310 --> 03:07:54,690
SF-36. I have no problem with that. Again, I'm one voice out of seven, but I believe my

2353
03:07:54,690 --> 03:07:58,930
Council members would probably not have a problem with that.

2354
03:08:00,670 --> 03:08:07,650
There are no topography issues that I can see that was force you into this situation.

2355
03:08:08,470 --> 03:08:14,970
If you lost a couple of lots, I think you should stay with Zoning, NSF-36.

2356
03:08:16,590 --> 03:08:22,230
You're putting a, you said most of the homes, I believe David said most of the homes would

2357
03:08:22,230 --> 03:08:27,170
five thousand's worthy that's a pretty good size house.

2358
03:08:30,150 --> 03:08:32,990
And with

2359
03:08:35,260 --> 03:08:37,320
the lot sizes you have

2360
03:08:37,740 --> 03:08:53,360
and a five thousand's worth of home and I envision Gina States and only four of your

2361
03:08:53,360 --> 03:09:04,400
much as 8,000 smaller, the winter of 28, something. There's 7,000 in some change. I live in a

2362
03:09:04,400 --> 03:09:14,160
2,000 square foot home, 2100 square feet, and I imagine three and a half of my houses footprint

2363
03:09:14,160 --> 03:09:21,320
stationed away from a lot, or that much stationality in the state, with a home there's still

2364
03:09:21,320 --> 03:09:27,420
the same size as the 5,000 square foot home in the United States, and the impermanible

2365
03:09:27,420 --> 03:09:29,460
surface and everything else.

2366
03:09:30,060 --> 03:09:38,000
And I just don't see that as a win-win for the city or a resident, Sharon Teller.

2367
03:09:38,240 --> 03:09:45,280
However, I applaud you for the private street, the entrance, I am totally for that.

2368
03:09:46,560 --> 03:09:50,040
You've done a lot of very nice things with the property.

2369
03:09:50,040 --> 03:09:59,120
I understand the open space part of that is the fact that all you can do with it, you can't put houses on it, on that open space in the corner.

2370
03:10:00,740 --> 03:10:08,760
So, bottom line is I applaud what you've done, but I can't support it, and I'm sure my fellow

2371
03:10:08,760 --> 03:10:18,300
council members to stick with zoning, strictly because, and I quote a former colleague of mine

2372
03:10:18,300 --> 03:10:26,820
who is on council, zoning is the law. You have to give me a compelling reason, and I don't

2373
03:10:26,820 --> 03:10:38,240
see enough compelling reasons here, certainly, a variance for the depth of the law is not

2374
03:10:38,240 --> 03:10:41,480
an issue and I just don't see it.

2375
03:10:41,620 --> 03:10:46,840
So unfortunately, I can't support this, I appreciate you 100% and hope you'll be able to

2376
03:10:46,840 --> 03:10:48,940
come back and SELP 36.

2377
03:10:49,580 --> 03:10:50,100
Yes, sir.

2378
03:10:53,040 --> 03:10:56,600
I appreciate your comments, Councilman Wally.

2379
03:10:59,380 --> 03:11:07,960
The reason I think the PD is a superior approach to this than straight zoning gets to what

2380
03:11:07,960 --> 03:11:08,740
you're talking about.

2381
03:11:08,860 --> 03:11:19,040
If you gave us a variance on the depth of those locks, 16, 17, 18, 11, 12, 13 in that area,

2382
03:11:19,040 --> 03:11:26,800
to make them 36,000 square feet loss, we'd have to make them much wider than the lots

2383
03:11:26,800 --> 03:11:32,520
where next year. Some of those our neighbors then would be backing up to two different

2384
03:11:32,520 --> 03:11:37,920
homes as opposed to just one. We think the superior solution is to keep the

2385
03:11:37,920 --> 03:11:47,220
lot lines lined up and that naturally leads to lots that are slightly less than 36,000

2386
03:11:47,220 --> 03:11:53,800
square feet, they're 32, 33, 34, 1,000 square feet. No one standing on the street is going

2387
03:11:53,800 --> 03:11:59,660
to be able to notice the difference there. But that's what you can do with a PD. It gives you

2388
03:11:59,660 --> 03:12:07,820
the ability to address situations like this, ask for some exceptions to, in my opinion, come up

2389
03:12:07,820 --> 03:12:14,740
with the superior solution. So that's why we've done that. As I said, to begin, this is basically

2390
03:12:14,740 --> 03:12:20,220
the same density is a straight 36,000 square feet. If you take the open space and add it

2391
03:12:20,220 --> 03:12:27,760
these lots, we're well over 36,000 square feet, average area, non-street area per

2392
03:12:27,760 --> 03:12:32,640
lots. So I just wanted to explain. That's why we've done this. We feel it's an understand

2393
03:12:32,640 --> 03:12:38,920
what you're saying, but we feel this is a spirit solution. I appreciate what you're saying

2394
03:12:38,920 --> 03:12:41,680
And I remember that from your presentation.

2395
03:12:42,580 --> 03:12:44,620
I had it for not in that.

2396
03:12:45,000 --> 03:12:46,980
I just don't see the officer in the lines,

2397
03:12:47,280 --> 03:12:48,900
property lines, it's been an issue.

2398
03:12:49,740 --> 03:12:50,760
But thank you, sir.

2399
03:12:51,060 --> 03:12:51,960
I appreciate that.

2400
03:12:52,080 --> 03:12:52,340
All right.

2401
03:12:52,740 --> 03:12:53,340
Good question.

2402
03:12:54,620 --> 03:12:55,480
Councilwoman Brennan?

2403
03:12:57,200 --> 03:12:57,500
All right.

2404
03:12:57,660 --> 03:12:58,580
I've got a lot here.

2405
03:12:58,760 --> 03:13:00,340
I have questions for out on the whoever.

2406
03:13:01,560 --> 03:13:04,860
First of, I'm just going to make a comment that the average

2407
03:13:04,860 --> 03:13:13,400
lot size is 32,108 square feet, which is three quarters of an acre compared to SF36, which

2408
03:13:13,400 --> 03:13:22,260
is 0.83 acres. So it's not a huge difference in my brain. So two, I'm just going to put

2409
03:13:22,260 --> 03:13:29,960
that out there in the beginning. First common I have is lots one through four are the little

2410
03:13:29,960 --> 03:13:40,320
lots, little so to speak relative, more than half an acre, 28,000 ish from 1 through 4.

2411
03:13:40,820 --> 03:13:47,740
If you actually through 1 through 5, if you take out one of those lots, so you go from 22 homes

2412
03:13:47,740 --> 03:13:57,080
to 21 homes, those lots 1 through 5, which would become 1 through 4, would average 35,481 square

2413
03:13:57,080 --> 03:14:04,060
which is closer to pretty darn close to SF-36 at the intent of the zoning.

2414
03:14:04,940 --> 03:14:10,100
And so, I mean, I look at 22 homes going down to 21 homes.

2415
03:14:10,660 --> 03:14:13,920
I mean, I don't see that that's a big of a deal.

2416
03:14:14,760 --> 03:14:18,620
If you want to speak to that, please, and why you maybe you can't do that,

2417
03:14:18,620 --> 03:14:20,420
or you can't do that, that would be great.

2418
03:14:21,140 --> 03:14:26,180
Well, I will say that obviously the reason we made those small odds there is

2419
03:14:26,180 --> 03:14:29,460
because of the adjacency, as I talked about it in my presentation.

2420
03:14:30,060 --> 03:14:36,240
And I'm sure you're that, as far as whether we can lose one of those locks

2421
03:14:36,240 --> 03:14:40,720
and make them larger, I'll defer to my client on that.

2422
03:14:45,900 --> 03:14:53,060
No, I understand what's like that in the consideration, you know, lots of one for proof

2423
03:14:53,060 --> 03:14:57,720
or their feedback up to a parking lot on one side and a parking lot on the other side

2424
03:14:57,720 --> 03:14:58,720
on the tennis courts.

2425
03:15:00,240 --> 03:15:18,700
I'll take that in consideration. I appreciate that input. But I don't think if we give up those last

2426
03:15:18,700 --> 03:15:24,020
$420 foot wide need to buy that out by the poor remaining loss.

2427
03:15:24,360 --> 03:15:27,060
I still don't think they would get $36,000.

2428
03:15:27,520 --> 03:15:29,620
No, I'll give $30,000 about $35.

2429
03:15:31,120 --> 03:15:33,200
Yeah, I did the math on average.

2430
03:15:34,360 --> 03:15:38,120
And I think, you know, like I think Ms. Bryant spoke to it, you know,

2431
03:15:38,200 --> 03:15:41,080
variances on lot lists and those sorts of things.

2432
03:15:41,240 --> 03:15:44,000
Those are somewhat no brainers for us sometimes.

2433
03:15:44,020 --> 03:15:46,560
So I wouldn't let that concern you as much.

2434
03:15:46,560 --> 03:15:54,680
I just, I know the appetite around these parts lately is to kind of keep our zoning to 36

2435
03:15:54,680 --> 03:15:57,400
fast, even though 36 is not exact number.

2436
03:15:57,620 --> 03:15:58,360
Thank you for your time.

2437
03:15:58,780 --> 03:15:58,840
Close.

2438
03:15:59,000 --> 03:16:05,420
I mean, you're talking, your average three quarters of an acre per home versus 0.83 acres per

2439
03:16:05,420 --> 03:16:05,760
home.

2440
03:16:05,780 --> 03:16:07,120
So I'm just going to put that out there.

2441
03:16:07,300 --> 03:16:11,140
So think about that, eliminating the home between 1 and 5.

2442
03:16:11,720 --> 03:16:15,200
Second common I want to make is I live one of your charts.

2443
03:16:15,200 --> 03:16:16,540
you can actually see my house.

2444
03:16:16,800 --> 03:16:19,320
I live this on the top left-hand corner here

2445
03:16:19,320 --> 03:16:20,900
at the very end of that development.

2446
03:16:22,380 --> 03:16:25,040
I know what a hot mess the high school is

2447
03:16:25,040 --> 03:16:28,240
with all those teenagers all Roman around

2448
03:16:28,240 --> 03:16:32,480
before school after school football games, all that stuff.

2449
03:16:32,860 --> 03:16:36,820
So a recommendation I have because this is a gated community.

2450
03:16:36,840 --> 03:16:39,860
I know that you intended it to be a gated community

2451
03:16:39,860 --> 03:16:43,960
for a vehicular traffic, but I think,

2452
03:16:43,960 --> 03:16:47,700
I mean, I'll speculate, that people moving into a gated committee

2453
03:16:47,700 --> 03:16:50,960
also like the privacy from pedestrian traffic.

2454
03:16:51,600 --> 03:16:55,140
And so a couple of kind of weakness, as I see in the way

2455
03:16:55,140 --> 03:16:58,160
that is laid out now, that's, I think, pretty easy to fix,

2456
03:16:59,000 --> 03:17:04,380
is you have a rod iron fence along the western side

2457
03:17:04,380 --> 03:17:06,520
of your entryway road.

2458
03:17:06,540 --> 03:17:10,120
That's right up against parking lot for the tennis courts.

2459
03:17:10,440 --> 03:17:12,640
I know why you wanted to do the rod iron

2460
03:17:12,640 --> 03:17:17,480
because you got the green space and it's pretty and all that stuff, but you've got a parking

2461
03:17:17,480 --> 03:17:22,260
lot full of teenagers parking in their car. I don't think that this necessarily is scenic

2462
03:17:22,260 --> 03:17:30,280
red. And I can see some teenagers wanting to climb that right-iron fence to get into that

2463
03:17:30,280 --> 03:17:36,360
subdivision. And so I would suggest that Masonry Wall that you have in the front, that

2464
03:17:36,360 --> 03:17:41,100
maybe you would do that as well along that stretch. I mean, to hide you to hide the parking

2465
03:17:41,100 --> 03:17:45,680
And then kids would be, I think, less apt to go climb across.

2466
03:17:45,980 --> 03:17:47,500
That's one point about that.

2467
03:17:47,820 --> 03:17:50,820
On the other end of the subdivision, you have the walking trail.

2468
03:17:51,520 --> 03:17:54,720
We have that really nice screen space that you had, which is great.

2469
03:17:55,040 --> 03:17:58,940
But the walking trail links right into the end of that cul-de-sac,

2470
03:17:59,400 --> 03:18:00,740
in between people's homes.

2471
03:18:01,440 --> 03:18:04,600
I would recommend, I have no problem with the path of doing that.

2472
03:18:04,800 --> 03:18:08,380
Maybe put like a code on a gate or something.

2473
03:18:08,380 --> 03:18:16,520
If I lived in one of those two houses and teenagers could go back out there to make an out or whatever they're doing up to no good.

2474
03:18:16,740 --> 03:18:21,480
I'm sure, you know, going over there and in between in between the houses walk around.

2475
03:18:21,780 --> 03:18:25,740
I think I'd have a hard time with that if I spent $2 million on a house.

2476
03:18:26,060 --> 03:18:32,740
So that's a suggestion is to put some gates there that would be basically then for the residents.

2477
03:18:33,080 --> 03:18:37,580
They could exit and utilize the trail versus people walking through that subdivision

2478
03:18:37,580 --> 03:18:42,580
and keep in the privacy for pedestrian traffic as well as vehicle or traffic.

2479
03:18:43,520 --> 03:18:50,720
And then the most northern edge of the subdivision, I'll listen to P&Z, actually twice,

2480
03:18:51,040 --> 03:18:53,500
just to try to make sure I understood everything that was being discussed.

2481
03:18:54,620 --> 03:19:02,700
So in addition to replacing the fencing there to match the eight foot that's required by the

2482
03:19:02,700 --> 03:19:09,740
in the States H.O.A., because their fence lines are a little too short, once you remove the

2483
03:19:09,740 --> 03:19:14,680
barbar, you put the fence on the property, you got a little bit of gap, and I think you

2484
03:19:14,680 --> 03:19:20,400
had agreed in P and Z that you would make up a little offset difference for people's fences,

2485
03:19:20,420 --> 03:19:22,700
so they have a completely fence end.

2486
03:19:22,700 --> 03:19:23,160
That's correct.

2487
03:19:23,160 --> 03:19:26,940
I've put out about the bead restriction that they have some more of a gentleman mentioned,

2488
03:19:27,520 --> 03:19:31,600
but they do have bead restrictions on the type of fence thing, and, you know, as far as

2489
03:19:31,600 --> 03:19:34,340
And so I'm what's good for Dean of States is good for

2490
03:19:34,340 --> 03:19:37,160
Providence, you know, we want to be as compatible with the

2491
03:19:37,160 --> 03:19:39,880
home and with the quality that they have in that development.

2492
03:19:40,200 --> 03:19:42,900
I think we need to meet or exceed that quality with our

2493
03:19:42,900 --> 03:19:47,160
development. So sure. Yeah. I mean, as if for life and

2494
03:19:47,160 --> 03:19:49,260
things and whatever their degree restrictions will

2495
03:19:49,260 --> 03:19:52,020
acquire, I'm sure we're happy to meet that there. Okay.

2496
03:19:52,720 --> 03:19:55,140
Um, and then let's see, my notes and more

2497
03:19:55,140 --> 03:19:56,980
scrutiny scrappy that I want them to be.

2498
03:19:57,860 --> 03:20:00,000
Um, and then the trees so that I

2499
03:20:00,000 --> 03:20:29,980
Know that area of the clump of trees that's just to the west of the mess at this church, because I run by it in a wee hours of the morning, and sometimes you hear a rustling like there's going to be some animal. It's going to jump out in front of me in the dark or something, but it's a lot of really closely dense trees. You got that retaining pond back in there. You're not going to just clear-cut that, right? You're going to, you're going to put in the road, and you have to do some preparation of the lots, and so speak to the clear-cut, because I hear a lot of input from residents,

2500
03:20:29,980 --> 03:20:36,100
about trees and the worrisome thought that they would just clear cut all those trees.

2501
03:20:36,960 --> 03:20:43,960
No, we wouldn't clear cut. This diagram that I showed earlier, the orange area would be

2502
03:20:43,960 --> 03:20:49,820
area where we'd have to do some fill. A lot of that isn't trees, a lot of that is the pond that's

2503
03:20:49,820 --> 03:20:58,420
in this location here. The green areas we feel would always remain trees. The area of the middle

2504
03:20:58,420 --> 03:21:06,360
that's neither colored orange or green is where the home builder, the homeowner, would decide

2505
03:21:06,360 --> 03:21:11,860
the layout of their home and hopefully work with some of the trees in there to save those

2506
03:21:11,860 --> 03:21:20,400
as well. To right now it drains diagonally across here into this pond and out. So we're going

2507
03:21:20,400 --> 03:21:27,820
have to capture the drainage, otherwise, you know, four is going to drain onto three, which

2508
03:21:27,820 --> 03:21:31,160
is going to drain onto two, you know, it's et cetera, et cetera.

2509
03:21:31,760 --> 03:21:39,200
So what we're posing to do is capture each of the drainage in the side property lines and bring

2510
03:21:39,200 --> 03:21:44,740
it to the street where it will go underground. So on the property line, they'll have to be some

2511
03:21:44,740 --> 03:21:49,920
trees cleared for soil to go in there. But the center of the lock and the rear of the lock,

2512
03:21:50,580 --> 03:21:54,180
We're hoping to save a significant number of those trees.

2513
03:21:54,580 --> 03:21:58,740
Obviously, where the house goes and the dryway goes and all that stuff will have to be removed.

2514
03:21:58,980 --> 03:22:05,580
But I think this is the most effective way to develop that area and still save the maximum number of trees.

2515
03:22:05,920 --> 03:22:08,120
That's what I kind of think of to your, to your point.

2516
03:22:08,660 --> 03:22:11,400
I watched Gina States being built because it was just right there.

2517
03:22:11,400 --> 03:22:14,720
We walked through it every day and watched the progress of the houses being built.

2518
03:22:14,740 --> 03:22:19,140
They had a bunch of trees in there and they just left them all there and then as homes would come in,

2519
03:22:19,140 --> 03:22:21,660
And you could see the tape around the trees

2520
03:22:21,660 --> 03:22:24,060
at that particular building decided to keep

2521
03:22:24,060 --> 03:22:26,280
based on whatever the footprint of their house was.

2522
03:22:26,400 --> 03:22:27,800
So I'm picturing something like that.

2523
03:22:27,880 --> 03:22:29,740
It would be, these are custom homes,

2524
03:22:30,260 --> 03:22:32,920
and it's going to be up to their person building that home

2525
03:22:32,920 --> 03:22:35,780
to the side which trees to keep and what you could use to stay.

2526
03:22:35,800 --> 03:22:38,160
And I think, I just want to hear that you don't just plan

2527
03:22:38,700 --> 03:22:39,820
on clear cutting that time.

2528
03:22:39,820 --> 03:22:40,360
We do not.

2529
03:22:41,640 --> 03:22:44,140
That's going to be part of Marshall over a grading plan

2530
03:22:44,140 --> 03:22:45,480
and everything else.

2531
03:22:45,480 --> 03:22:48,440
Okay. Those are, those are my comments.

2532
03:22:49,320 --> 03:22:50,820
I will add on to the trees.

2533
03:22:51,060 --> 03:22:52,760
I have walked this area.

2534
03:22:53,780 --> 03:22:56,240
A lot of it was crawling and biting my way through,

2535
03:22:56,460 --> 03:22:58,860
but a pretty lost one to four.

2536
03:22:59,940 --> 03:23:01,840
I did not see any quality trees.

2537
03:23:02,140 --> 03:23:05,980
It's mainly the scrub top trees that are growing there.

2538
03:23:06,520 --> 03:23:09,100
Obviously for quality trees, we won't save those.

2539
03:23:10,260 --> 03:23:13,100
I think it will be good to save the trees in the backyard.

2540
03:23:13,100 --> 03:23:17,100
And I obviously, the bill work in the side on the building pad,

2541
03:23:18,300 --> 03:23:20,040
you know, where to position the home, the front side,

2542
03:23:20,120 --> 03:23:22,060
and the significant trees that are there.

2543
03:23:22,780 --> 03:23:25,280
That's one of the good things that are going with the testing

2544
03:23:25,280 --> 03:23:25,740
builder.

2545
03:23:26,560 --> 03:23:29,420
Starting here along a lot, five, five, six, and seven.

2546
03:23:30,000 --> 03:23:34,800
It's where you run into a grow of the native post-occurators,

2547
03:23:35,060 --> 03:23:37,080
really, really nice trees through there.

2548
03:23:37,380 --> 03:23:40,560
You can see how that extends over into the church property,

2549
03:23:40,560 --> 03:23:44,400
we have again up in the genus states in their backyard.

2550
03:23:44,920 --> 03:23:47,080
Flying just to pay what you're going to see with Providence,

2551
03:23:47,400 --> 03:23:50,000
very similar to what you see in the genus states.

2552
03:23:51,320 --> 03:23:54,220
The freeze are in on the house and the backyard.

2553
03:23:54,760 --> 03:23:59,700
Every effort will be made to save those and build the homes around them.

2554
03:24:00,200 --> 03:24:03,660
We would just have to clear and build the trees in a lot of way to get this tree.

2555
03:24:03,660 --> 03:24:13,560
You know, understood what you said about access on a gate here, you know, that's not a big deal.

2556
03:24:14,160 --> 03:24:21,680
I don't think we're worried about pedestrian traffic in Keller or the, you know, a type of community we have here.

2557
03:24:22,000 --> 03:24:30,620
The data, the entry is just nice to cut down on the amount of drive through traffic and people pulling in and realizing it's a dead end and then coming out.

2558
03:24:30,620 --> 03:24:36,080
You know, being a father of young kids, I know, we live on several acres in North

2559
03:24:36,080 --> 03:24:42,260
Hiller, and I know one of the complaints that my son has had specifically is

2560
03:24:42,260 --> 03:24:45,880
wanting to go hang out with his buddies, and he can't walk to anybody's house, so

2561
03:24:45,880 --> 03:24:51,080
rather by being anybody's house was one of North Pearson, so you know, I've seen this being

2562
03:24:51,080 --> 03:24:56,240
an opportunity for kids to go through and visit the plains and genus states and back

2563
03:24:56,240 --> 03:24:59,880
fourth I'd be really neat I have a sidewalk because of the

2564
03:25:00,000 --> 03:25:14,060
Actually, I'm here from all the way up into the United States. I don't know if the United States should be receptive to that or not, but you know, I like the walkability aspect of it, especially for the kids when they're on their bike. I wouldn't visit her friend.

2565
03:25:15,200 --> 03:25:19,460
Of course, we can still do that and have a gate key on it. They're friends.

2566
03:25:21,100 --> 03:25:24,080
I think you're suggesting we talked about that, didn't you?

2567
03:25:24,580 --> 03:25:26,440
I think the, I think the, I kidding.

2568
03:25:26,800 --> 03:25:27,940
Lakes that things have some of that.

2569
03:25:28,020 --> 03:25:29,200
We're like a little keypad.

2570
03:25:29,680 --> 03:25:32,140
And people in that living that subdivision know what the code is,

2571
03:25:32,240 --> 03:25:34,260
and you don't have to carry a key around with you.

2572
03:25:34,440 --> 03:25:36,420
And you can go in and out and use that path,

2573
03:25:36,640 --> 03:25:39,860
but it would prevent people from walking in and out that subdivision,

2574
03:25:39,960 --> 03:25:41,200
kids and whatnot.

2575
03:25:42,300 --> 03:25:44,840
And then also the, and the other thing of the,

2576
03:25:45,280 --> 03:25:47,920
looking at removing one house long that stretch.

2577
03:25:47,920 --> 03:25:54,560
So I think that probably most people as a whole would not be opposed to this development because

2578
03:25:54,560 --> 03:25:57,860
you'd be very, very close to the intent of 36 SFF.

2579
03:25:57,940 --> 03:25:58,120
OK.

2580
03:25:58,980 --> 03:26:00,940
And then again, you mentioned the wall here.

2581
03:26:02,680 --> 03:26:10,000
I think you can do as much with iron-fencing and landscaping in a little bit warmer.

2582
03:26:11,420 --> 03:26:12,320
Nice for look.

2583
03:26:12,320 --> 03:26:14,980
and then having a cold hard, nice, merry-waw,

2584
03:26:15,180 --> 03:26:17,280
but understand your, you're, you know,

2585
03:26:17,380 --> 03:26:18,460
where you're coming from on that.

2586
03:26:19,380 --> 03:26:21,780
And if it takes, you know, building a nice,

2587
03:26:22,040 --> 03:26:24,100
merry-waw there, we will gladly do that.

2588
03:26:24,340 --> 03:26:27,820
This is not that big of a deal with us.

2589
03:26:28,500 --> 03:26:30,020
Our thoughts work just, you know,

2590
03:26:30,020 --> 03:26:31,160
as you pull down the street,

2591
03:26:31,320 --> 03:26:32,900
we've got an awesome open space here,

2592
03:26:32,940 --> 03:26:35,600
planning a world of trees to make an ice park away.

2593
03:26:35,600 --> 03:26:39,360
And we can still do that with the, with the fence here.

2594
03:26:43,880 --> 03:26:47,960
So I think I said enough. Thank you.

2595
03:26:50,200 --> 03:26:51,460
Thank you, Mr. Mayor.

2596
03:26:52,980 --> 03:27:05,660
So I don't want to re-till O-ground, but could you re-explain again on the east side of the property for the lots that are below SF-36?

2597
03:27:06,240 --> 03:27:13,320
Why it is that you can't make those a little bigger and you gave a good explanation

2598
03:27:13,320 --> 03:27:19,380
But I'm an Aggie some a little slow, so could have you just kind of walked me through that one more time. Well

2599
03:27:19,380 --> 03:27:23,960
I can handle this part. This is a the proud graduate of the University of Texas

2600
03:27:23,960 --> 03:27:34,200
You know I said you are right I promise to talk real slow and not you've been a big word. It's got to emancipate the words

2601
03:27:34,960 --> 03:27:42,620
So, yes, to answer your question, the property line, the proposed property line here,

2602
03:27:42,900 --> 03:27:53,800
at the width of this area is 448 foot. The required minimum lot depth in SF-30 and SF-36

2603
03:27:53,800 --> 03:28:02,600
is 200 foot, and you're required to have a 50 foot round of way for a straight. So, as you

2604
03:28:02,600 --> 03:28:10,480
100 foot of debt for the last summer on the South and then a 50 foot right of way get 455.

2605
03:28:11,640 --> 03:28:15,640
Unfortunately, we're 448 foot, we're two foot shy of that minimum.

2606
03:28:16,800 --> 03:28:23,400
So we cannot meet the required minimum lot debt of both S-30 and S-30-6.

2607
03:28:23,640 --> 03:28:28,880
I don't mean because of the dimension of the property that we have there.

2608
03:28:28,880 --> 03:28:30,120
but make better sounds.

2609
03:28:30,220 --> 03:28:32,100
Yeah, I appreciate that.

2610
03:28:32,220 --> 03:28:35,620
And so then if we go a little further east to where I think

2611
03:28:35,620 --> 03:28:38,620
you said you had to fight and crawl your way through the woods,

2612
03:28:38,840 --> 03:28:39,940
I said, yeah, hear that right.

2613
03:28:41,420 --> 03:28:44,980
For those lots, why is it that those can't get a little bigger?

2614
03:28:46,660 --> 03:28:48,680
Well, they could.

2615
03:28:49,680 --> 03:28:52,900
If we follow councilmember Brennan's suggestion

2616
03:28:52,900 --> 03:28:54,480
to lose a lot there.

2617
03:28:55,080 --> 03:28:57,660
But the reason they're not as large as the others

2618
03:28:57,660 --> 03:28:59,680
is what they're next to.

2619
03:29:00,460 --> 03:29:02,660
There are plenty deep plots, okay?

2620
03:29:03,140 --> 03:29:05,280
But they're next to a park and lawn and a church.

2621
03:29:05,420 --> 03:29:12,320
They're not next to any other lots here in, you know, no residents will live next to them,

2622
03:29:12,380 --> 03:29:15,080
no residents will even know what it is there.

2623
03:29:15,360 --> 03:29:22,460
So because of our dimensional issues elsewhere, we thought that that was a place we could

2624
03:29:22,460 --> 03:29:32,180
put these kind of lots in there and still meet the base density for this F-36, so that's why we did it that way.

2625
03:29:32,860 --> 03:29:34,040
Was that answering your question?

2626
03:29:35,040 --> 03:29:36,320
It does, so you could.

2627
03:29:38,990 --> 03:29:39,910
You always could.

2628
03:29:40,390 --> 03:29:43,590
Whether it's a good idea or not is another issue.

2629
03:29:44,250 --> 03:29:48,650
And then can you speak a little bit too to the drainage again?

2630
03:29:48,850 --> 03:29:51,770
I'm just, because you mentioned something about water spilling out on the road.

2631
03:29:51,770 --> 03:29:55,170
I just want to, what does the drainage look like?

2632
03:29:56,130 --> 03:29:57,450
Yeah, let me go back here.

2633
03:29:57,550 --> 03:29:59,790
Here's the existing drainage well.

2634
03:30:00,000 --> 03:30:12,540
Those through the property. And it's not a particularly deep swell or a huge river. It just drains the, you can see where the blue line, oops, you can see where the blue line,

2635
03:30:14,570 --> 03:30:15,890
let me go.

2636
03:30:16,870 --> 03:30:27,350
Starts up here. This is a detention bond that was built with Gina States here. So this detains water and then lets it out over a period of time.

2637
03:30:27,350 --> 03:30:37,410
and it flows into this existing swell that also drains the back of the church property right in here.

2638
03:30:37,770 --> 03:30:43,530
So those come together in this location and kind of go diagonally across this area.

2639
03:30:44,950 --> 03:30:52,410
We're going to have to deal with that drainage somehow because you don't want drainage coming through the middle of lots across where the homes are to be.

2640
03:30:52,410 --> 03:31:00,470
So our choices are, typically what you would do in this situation, because the shortest point between point A and point B,

2641
03:31:00,910 --> 03:31:02,670
this is where we're trying to get to.

2642
03:31:02,690 --> 03:31:05,370
There's a drainage swell along the north side of Johnson here.

2643
03:31:05,930 --> 03:31:12,430
The easiest way to do it would be to capture that drainage and go straight down this property line to that drainage swell.

2644
03:31:12,750 --> 03:31:16,770
From there, it easily flows into the major system there.

2645
03:31:17,510 --> 03:31:27,970
But if we did that, we would have to cut that soil which would remove the trees between us and the parking lot and the church and all the activity over there.

2646
03:31:28,290 --> 03:31:45,390
We thought that a better solution, albeit more costly, would be to capture that drainage and bring it straight across here and then take it down underground in that street there, which is what we're showing here.

2647
03:31:47,050 --> 03:31:54,470
It would capture it, it would go in between Mods 4 and 5 and then go into an underground pipe.

2648
03:31:55,090 --> 03:32:00,790
It would be right along the front edge of this road and then into this drainage whale down here.

2649
03:32:02,270 --> 03:32:09,550
So that was all done in the effort to save trees and keep a buffer between us and the church and the parking lot over there.

2650
03:32:09,910 --> 03:32:11,950
That's our reason for doing that.

2651
03:32:12,650 --> 03:32:13,510
Thank you very much.

2652
03:32:13,870 --> 03:32:14,170
Appreciate it.

2653
03:32:14,650 --> 03:32:15,130
I

2654
03:32:19,740 --> 03:32:26,360
love the project David, we've discussed it and I think it's a good looking project I have some issues.

2655
03:32:26,540 --> 03:32:32,080
Everything around you is 36,000 there's not a single lot in Gina States that's smaller than that.

2656
03:32:32,360 --> 03:32:34,600
I would like for you to match that at the bare minimum.

2657
03:32:35,340 --> 03:32:41,920
If it's I agree with Ms. Brennan, give up one, one and a half lots and you can make it happen.

2658
03:32:43,960 --> 03:32:48,620
The trees that are on this property, out in the pasture where the horses are that everybody

2659
03:32:48,620 --> 03:32:52,900
so wants to leave out there, those are mosquito trees, those are not a protected tree.

2660
03:32:53,000 --> 03:32:55,620
They're a Texas tree, but they're not a protected tree in color.

2661
03:32:56,800 --> 03:33:00,120
With your project, you will come in with better trees than that.

2662
03:33:00,380 --> 03:33:03,100
I'll be at not natural to Texas some of them.

2663
03:33:03,180 --> 03:33:08,360
And in that area that, unless you're tall, heart for crawling through it, but there's probably

2664
03:33:08,360 --> 03:33:13,680
not one tree in there that's going to be knowledgeable as a protected tree, but what you're

2665
03:33:13,680 --> 03:33:17,980
going to bring in with this project is going to be better than what's there. I'm not going

2666
03:33:17,980 --> 03:33:23,360
to tell you how to spend your money. I'll tell you that I would like one less lot, but the trees

2667
03:33:23,360 --> 03:33:28,260
and the cheaper route down the back of it, those are trash trees. They're still trees and I can't

2668
03:33:28,260 --> 03:33:33,980
it. Those of you that love trees, I appreciate it too, but those trees are not going to stay there

2669
03:33:33,980 --> 03:33:36,080
once you start disturbing that dirt.

2670
03:33:36,600 --> 03:33:40,360
So, as it is now, I don't think I can approve.

2671
03:33:46,330 --> 03:33:47,210
I'm just a quote by the jury.

2672
03:33:47,690 --> 03:33:50,330
Did you say that if we deleted the one law,

2673
03:33:50,470 --> 03:33:51,590
this is that,

2674
03:34:00,300 --> 03:34:01,220
thank you, Mr. Mayor.

2675
03:34:02,060 --> 03:34:03,880
Mr. Washington, David,

2676
03:34:06,540 --> 03:34:07,380
you're nice spoke.

2677
03:34:08,060 --> 03:34:11,720
And I express to you that my goal is to get us absolutely

2678
03:34:11,720 --> 03:34:16,940
close to the underlying zoning as humanly possible.

2679
03:34:16,940 --> 03:34:24,540
Well, I mean, I understand that sometimes there are lots that are just laid out, that make

2680
03:34:24,540 --> 03:34:26,140
it next to impossible.

2681
03:34:27,880 --> 03:34:34,340
And it's frustrating, I express my frustration to you, where it's clear when a developer

2682
03:34:34,340 --> 03:34:37,900
has never made any effort to try to match the zoning.

2683
03:34:37,960 --> 03:34:39,440
And I don't think that's the case here.

2684
03:34:40,220 --> 03:34:46,920
But there have been projects that have come forward in the past where it's SF-36 and the

2685
03:34:46,920 --> 03:34:53,320
square foot lots and in those instances it's just very clear they're trying to pack as many homes

2686
03:34:53,320 --> 03:35:00,000
on to the property as they possibly can. In this case you're almost at one one home.

2687
03:35:00,000 --> 03:35:27,760
And her acre is your little bit under that. But I like a lot of what you've presented. I like the sewer and water hookups for the tennis courts. I know that that has been a huge issue for the for the school district. It's been up to this point cost prohibited for them to run the sanitary sewer and water lines under the street to get them to that location.

2688
03:35:28,480 --> 03:35:37,420
And while that's not our table, you know, I think that that indicates that you're looking

2689
03:35:37,420 --> 03:35:44,120
out for other stakeholders not just, you know, yourself and how to make a profit on this.

2690
03:35:44,560 --> 03:35:48,660
This, right, being a good neighbor, being a good community partner,

2691
03:35:51,840 --> 03:35:53,060
not to rehash a lot

2692
03:35:53,060 --> 03:36:00,720
what Councilwoman Brennan said, you know, these RSF 36,000 square foot lots, that is 0.82

2693
03:36:00,720 --> 03:36:07,860
of an acre. You're currently at an average lot size of 32,000 when taking them all into

2694
03:36:07,860 --> 03:36:15,740
consideration, which is at 0.73. If you were to remove one, one and a half to lots, you would

2695
03:36:15,740 --> 03:36:21,700
either be just under or exceed the underline zoning.

2696
03:36:22,960 --> 03:36:27,760
And so I would like to try to find a way

2697
03:36:27,760 --> 03:36:30,680
for us to get this approved tonight for you,

2698
03:36:30,780 --> 03:36:31,740
if you're willing to.

2699
03:36:32,480 --> 03:36:35,500
I mean, would you prefer that we give you the opportunity

2700
03:36:35,500 --> 03:36:38,760
to redraw this with less lots so that way

2701
03:36:38,760 --> 03:36:41,640
you can try to meet the underline zoning

2702
03:36:41,640 --> 03:36:44,020
with that required him to come back through the process

2703
03:36:44,020 --> 03:36:46,540
Sir, could we do that from the day as, sir?

2704
03:36:48,640 --> 03:36:53,260
You know, I think at first comes the flood tonight and we've got to keep moving forward.

2705
03:36:53,340 --> 03:36:54,160
We've got to contract.

2706
03:36:54,440 --> 03:36:56,620
We've got time and constraints in the contract.

2707
03:36:56,860 --> 03:36:57,120
Sure.

2708
03:36:57,580 --> 03:37:00,380
We like to know, you know, we'll get a product or not tonight.

2709
03:37:01,900 --> 03:37:04,060
I'm not sure the reality is out there.

2710
03:37:04,060 --> 03:37:06,880
But if we were to the way one of those lots,

2711
03:37:07,220 --> 03:37:08,900
last one to five, and it's right that area,

2712
03:37:09,120 --> 03:37:12,860
I have a feeling that I have four remaining ones.

2713
03:37:12,860 --> 03:37:16,340
I think that's something that, you know, if we've got to do it, we've got to do it.

2714
03:37:16,420 --> 03:37:22,580
We want to be the project, we're excited about it, and that's what it takes, and we're

2715
03:37:22,580 --> 03:37:23,320
willing to do that.

2716
03:37:23,560 --> 03:37:24,120
There's, yeah.

2717
03:37:24,280 --> 03:37:26,020
I appreciate that.

2718
03:37:27,280 --> 03:37:32,650
I, I, I, I, I

2719
03:37:36,300 --> 03:37:38,760
had something else, and I just lost my train of thought.

2720
03:37:42,100 --> 03:37:47,860
I'll leave it there, and if it comes back to me, I'll, I'll, I'll mess it, or, I'll,

2721
03:37:47,860 --> 03:37:51,060
indicate another desire to speak, Mr. Mayor.

2722
03:37:51,180 --> 03:37:52,220
Thanks, Councilman.

2723
03:37:52,460 --> 03:37:52,980
Mayor, both of them.

2724
03:37:53,280 --> 03:37:54,160
Thank you, Mr. Mayor.

2725
03:37:55,820 --> 03:37:57,580
I'll ask you, I'll have a question for staff.

2726
03:37:57,860 --> 03:37:59,220
I'll ask the one and a half for y'all first.

2727
03:38:00,360 --> 03:38:02,260
I just spent almost, I spent a lot of money

2728
03:38:02,260 --> 03:38:03,420
having to redo my foundation.

2729
03:38:04,220 --> 03:38:06,960
And so I'm just curious, can you clarify for me

2730
03:38:07,380 --> 03:38:09,500
because I wouldn't want the people that move there

2731
03:38:09,500 --> 03:38:11,340
to have to read, you know, the ground shifting

2732
03:38:11,340 --> 03:38:12,800
with the pond being there?

2733
03:38:13,320 --> 03:38:15,600
I mean, y'all said y'all filled it in.

2734
03:38:16,040 --> 03:38:17,300
What do y'all do to make sure there's not

2735
03:38:17,300 --> 03:38:19,260
to be foundation issues, right, in that area?

2736
03:38:19,620 --> 03:38:20,960
Because I've got to be honest out of ignorance,

2737
03:38:21,120 --> 03:38:22,920
I don't know how you'll prevent that from happening.

2738
03:38:23,380 --> 03:38:24,540
When there's a group of methods,

2739
03:38:25,180 --> 03:38:28,400
we have performed a preliminary geotech on the property,

2740
03:38:29,040 --> 03:38:31,620
which we're talking about as it's referred to as PDR,

2741
03:38:31,900 --> 03:38:33,720
a potential vertical rise, as well,

2742
03:38:33,880 --> 03:38:35,960
potential, as we up all of those,

2743
03:38:35,960 --> 03:38:37,520
a lot of clay in the solos here.

2744
03:38:37,760 --> 03:38:38,700
We dealt with it before.

2745
03:38:40,220 --> 03:38:42,020
What I think you're going to have,

2746
03:38:42,360 --> 03:38:47,240
and in this area, we have found that another development

2747
03:38:47,240 --> 03:38:53,160
in color that where you have those native trees in the area that suck out of the moisture

2748
03:38:53,160 --> 03:38:57,900
out of the soil so the clay is very, very hard and dry. So when you come in and you remove

2749
03:38:57,900 --> 03:39:04,780
trees and build the house, you start getting rain and that clay will swell at crazy and you

2750
03:39:04,780 --> 03:39:10,940
get a big PDR. I typically govers are 4, 4, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 2, 1, 2, 1, 2, 1, 2,

2751
03:39:13,180 --> 03:39:13,180
1,

2752
03:39:13,180 --> 03:39:17,240
I expect some of these PDRs to be well about that.

2753
03:39:18,060 --> 03:39:23,020
If different chemical injections and water injections, you can do, we found that on a project

2754
03:39:23,020 --> 03:39:25,620
before and I didn't think it worked very well.

2755
03:39:26,040 --> 03:39:29,980
The most popular method that I see, and you may have seen this with some of the commercial

2756
03:39:29,980 --> 03:39:30,500
buildings.

2757
03:39:30,660 --> 03:39:37,840
I know natural brochures there, and I tell our Smith to open in 1709, went through this process.

2758
03:39:38,740 --> 03:39:59,500
It's called Moisture Conditioning, where they will come in and excavate out an envelope of the soil, you know, the geotech report will tell us, six foot, eight foot deep, that will move all that soil, and then they'll place it back while waiting it down to the soil to mix the soil up good.

2759
03:40:00,080 --> 03:40:10,580
And then just completely swell the clay and then cover it with a piece of a polyclastic, and then build a foundation on top of that.

2760
03:40:11,280 --> 03:40:20,960
So, which you have then is a fully swell, such right for your foundation, with less PVR, whatever you call that.

2761
03:40:21,260 --> 03:40:28,480
And you can also haul off the soil and place it with a non-explanet of soil, I think moisture condition is probably the most positive.

2762
03:40:28,480 --> 03:40:35,840
Yeah, I agree, but you also asked about the lake and the lake would be filled and compacted in layers.

2763
03:40:36,260 --> 03:40:38,560
You know, there's processes for doing that.

2764
03:40:38,720 --> 03:40:47,620
So the water would all be taken out obviously and then that would all, you know, the engineers will determine exactly how that needs to be done.

2765
03:40:48,100 --> 03:40:52,560
Yeah, I just, I'm very sensitive that as I'm sure engineers to that up my house too.

2766
03:40:52,560 --> 03:41:00,100
It was a crack through the moment, no, I appreciate the explanation, and that makes sense, and it sounds like you'll spend a lot of attention to detail in that matter.

2767
03:41:00,900 --> 03:41:14,560
I had a lot of questions about drainage, but Jolavari answered that, because one of the pond there, and then the topography of it going, even all the water coming over from the Methodist Church, that's going to go there that they've been speaking to.

2768
03:41:14,560 --> 03:41:20,340
My next question, I guess, is for staff and then maybe all can answer after it is in regards to traffic.

2769
03:41:20,700 --> 03:41:24,980
I have to drop my daughter off a lot there and traffic is hideous twice a day.

2770
03:41:26,360 --> 03:41:30,160
I guess with the traffic, I assume, did they have to do a traffic study?

2771
03:41:30,260 --> 03:41:32,020
I mean, it's not a huge project.

2772
03:41:34,080 --> 03:41:37,880
I'll talk for a minute and give a moment to make his way in here.

2773
03:41:37,900 --> 03:41:41,800
If they did a trip generation form, I don't think the trips per day hit the threshold.

2774
03:41:41,800 --> 03:41:48,880
for having to throw anything beyond that, but Alonzo can definitely speak to it in greater

2775
03:41:48,880 --> 03:41:49,720
detail than I can.

2776
03:41:49,860 --> 03:41:55,440
Yeah, it's only 22 lots, but I was curious if it had any effect because it is, and then

2777
03:41:55,440 --> 03:42:00,260
also with the, I know we haven't heard it yet, but with Crowger coming over there, there's

2778
03:42:00,260 --> 03:42:04,500
a lot happening in this little area right here, I want to see how it all interacts with each

2779
03:42:04,500 --> 03:42:10,680
But if Alonzo is not walking this way right now, Alonzo,

2780
03:42:12,940 --> 03:42:17,180
Chief is grabbing him, but we'll give him the second, while the Chief's coming, do you all want to add anything to that?

2781
03:42:17,320 --> 03:42:17,740
It's okay.

2782
03:42:21,200 --> 03:42:35,620
Generally, traffic generated by 20-some residential boxes, pretty small compared to the existing traffic on Johnson Road, and certainly when the school enter and exit happens, it's the other small.

2783
03:42:35,620 --> 03:42:40,260
They're going to have to exit right coming out or God bless them if they're trying to turn left in the morning

2784
03:42:40,860 --> 03:42:46,440
All right, I'll wait for a lawns of easier if not that's fine. Oh, he's coming. What would the

2785
03:42:47,980 --> 03:42:51,760
I don't have been for just a second while waiting for a lawns of what would the

2786
03:42:51,760 --> 03:42:55,380
How many lots would go on this parcel if it was a SF-36?

2787
03:42:57,800 --> 03:42:58,200
Well,

2788
03:43:02,590 --> 03:43:03,670
if it was better shaped

2789
03:43:04,950 --> 03:43:10,270
No, I just mean like on this parcel like how many XF-30 locks SF-36 lots can be

2790
03:43:10,270 --> 03:43:14,630
We probably, you know, lose a couple of locks.

2791
03:43:16,720 --> 03:43:21,200
It's like a couple of my brain, I'm an Aggie too.

2792
03:43:21,940 --> 03:43:25,900
So trying to quantify things, you know, like two or three.

2793
03:43:26,240 --> 03:43:29,120
So what I hear, see, I can feel a buster.

2794
03:43:30,100 --> 03:43:30,780
Thanks, Lanzo.

2795
03:43:31,180 --> 03:43:34,180
The, basically, what I hear is from current based oning.

2796
03:43:34,180 --> 03:43:39,680
If you have a couple additional houses, so that kind of informs the traffic question of what

2797
03:43:39,680 --> 03:43:44,320
with the traffic impact be with this development as compared to current zoning, so a couple

2798
03:43:44,320 --> 03:43:44,880
more houses.

2799
03:43:45,320 --> 03:43:51,980
So, two more houses is typically, it's alone so can compare this, but for a single

2800
03:43:51,980 --> 03:43:59,260
family home, there's typically during peak rush hour, you know, just over, here's a very

2801
03:43:59,260 --> 03:44:01,560
little, how many trains are there?

2802
03:44:02,260 --> 03:44:07,400
Alonzoone on public work's director, in short, when he comes to trip generation, we're looking

2803
03:44:07,400 --> 03:44:11,820
before it requires off-street off-site improvements.

2804
03:44:12,720 --> 03:44:20,740
You're hitting well beyond the 500-700-per-development thresholds.

2805
03:44:20,760 --> 03:44:23,400
In this case, we've got, I think, it was 222.

2806
03:44:24,180 --> 03:44:25,520
22, lots of things.

2807
03:44:25,720 --> 03:44:30,380
So, 220 trips per day is what we would expect.

2808
03:44:31,540 --> 03:44:37,100
With the trip generation, this doesn't trigger any kind of additional study or off-site improvement

2809
03:44:37,100 --> 03:44:41,500
requirements. Okay. Thank you. That's the questions I have for now. Thanks,

2810
03:44:41,640 --> 03:44:42,320
all of them.

2811
03:44:46,520 --> 03:44:52,780
discussion. Any other questions? We do have a motion from Council

2812
03:44:52,780 --> 03:44:57,300
and Wally. So we can do that motion if you're ready, Councilman.

2813
03:44:59,340 --> 03:44:59,960
Thank you, Mr. Mayor.

2814
03:45:00,210 --> 03:45:09,330
Before I make the motion, Dave, I don't know what you contractually had done with the ISD.

2815
03:45:10,390 --> 03:45:19,170
I live just north of Gina States. I mean literally, literally, right on the other side of the bancroft.

2816
03:45:20,050 --> 03:45:27,910
And every Thursday, finally, Saturday night at this time of year. If I sit outside with my wife to enjoy the beautiful fall weather,

2817
03:45:27,910 --> 03:45:35,030
I feel like I'm sitting in a pep rally listening to the high school band and the football

2818
03:45:35,030 --> 03:45:43,030
games and and after some of the assignments from Councilwoman Vernon, you might so

2819
03:45:43,030 --> 03:45:50,410
back to the ISD and say, hey, we're next to them. Bus part and light and blah blah blah.

2820
03:45:50,470 --> 03:45:55,310
And they associate a better deal on the land and it's easier to drop a couple of lots.

2821
03:45:55,310 --> 03:46:02,670
But the cause of the fact that it doesn't meet the zoning and I don't fill the transition,

2822
03:46:02,890 --> 03:46:11,850
pelling enough reason to not meet zoning, then unfortunately I'm motioning to the

2823
03:46:11,850 --> 03:46:12,450
delay.

2824
03:46:14,770 --> 03:46:15,830
Thanks, Councilman.

2825
03:46:17,070 --> 03:46:17,750
So in a second,

2826
03:46:23,680 --> 03:46:26,580
I've been consistent over six years that always give a collegial second

2827
03:46:26,580 --> 03:46:32,180
just to have an item heard in, for girls with my own thoughts on the matter.

2828
03:46:32,420 --> 03:46:36,700
I just think we're delay-elected officials, so if we want to vote, then we motion

2829
03:46:36,700 --> 03:46:37,260
to get a second.

2830
03:46:37,760 --> 03:46:42,880
So I'll go ahead and second that motion, just out of colludiality.

2831
03:46:44,180 --> 03:46:45,980
Mayor Pro Temp, so your name on the screen.

2832
03:46:46,420 --> 03:46:47,480
Yeah, thank you, Mr. Mayor.

2833
03:46:48,600 --> 03:46:55,380
I was kind of curious, and what Councilman Will was talking about, and I guess we can vote

2834
03:46:55,380 --> 03:47:02,700
on this before, but if you're willing to get to the base line zoning to see where we get

2835
03:47:02,700 --> 03:47:07,040
there, I know you're on a timeline. But we can see, I mean, I'll probably vote note to

2836
03:47:07,040 --> 03:47:12,140
not on the first time, just because I want to see where we can get if you're willing to work

2837
03:47:12,140 --> 03:47:16,040
with the city on this. But that's where I stand on this one.

2838
03:47:16,920 --> 03:47:18,100
On the wild, is that right?

2839
03:47:18,480 --> 03:47:22,920
Yeah, yeah, on the wild, it's making it for the, to be closer to the, we're willing to do that.

2840
03:47:22,920 --> 03:47:28,220
You know, we're willing to do that, that's what it's like.

2841
03:47:29,100 --> 03:47:30,880
You know, I'm trying to.

2842
03:47:30,940 --> 03:47:34,480
We're addressing California, like I understand.

2843
03:47:34,760 --> 03:47:35,940
We're looking on North Pearson.

2844
03:47:36,080 --> 03:47:38,440
We can hear the bad end from our backyard.

2845
03:47:38,440 --> 03:47:42,900
It's kind of a nice, nice, you know, pain to have.

2846
03:47:44,200 --> 03:47:47,500
You know, the first thing we talked to with the builders

2847
03:47:47,500 --> 03:47:50,080
was the bus park in the tennis courts.

2848
03:47:50,080 --> 03:47:56,860
Obviously, that's the biggest negative, I think, where this deal, these guys are in the

2849
03:47:56,860 --> 03:48:02,500
business of building homes and selling homes and there's concern that will probably be

2850
03:48:02,500 --> 03:48:08,140
some of the last slots built on, but with the type of product they're building in the community,

2851
03:48:08,540 --> 03:48:12,680
we think you build the right product in there and it's going to bring in traffic and that these

2852
03:48:12,680 --> 03:48:15,620
I asked for that when I got to be valuable in Seattle.

2853
03:48:16,420 --> 03:48:22,740
For comparison, I went out and measured, and our home says it's the last May 150 foot

2854
03:48:22,740 --> 03:48:25,040
from North Pearson Lane in the front of our house.

2855
03:48:25,660 --> 03:48:30,300
I'll office that at the house, I'm there in the front of the house, and traffic all day long,

2856
03:48:30,420 --> 03:48:34,460
and I'm sure several thousand cars a day out in the North Pearson, you know, the quality

2857
03:48:34,460 --> 03:48:41,200
and the homes that are built today, spray foam insulation, and why not, yeah, we're getting

2858
03:48:41,200 --> 03:48:46,260
the occasional, you know, wild truck that goes by, you know, occasional, and being on sort of

2859
03:48:46,260 --> 03:48:51,960
a fire truck going up here. But just the day-to-day traffic we have, it's not noticeable

2860
03:48:51,960 --> 03:48:56,880
from our house, you know, it's filled up pretty time and pretty quiet. So, you know, I understand

2861
03:48:56,880 --> 03:49:01,920
the concern, I appreciate the concern. I think it's something that we're kind of a way

2862
03:49:01,920 --> 03:49:11,180
that we're going to build, we're from front to the way, and we can, we can, we can, we can

2863
03:49:11,180 --> 03:49:18,380
If we take a vote on this and from the way it sounds, it looks like it would pass to deny.

2864
03:49:19,140 --> 03:49:24,560
Does that kill the project right now or can they make the recommendation that they will accommodate?

2865
03:49:25,940 --> 03:49:28,820
Yeah, I don't necessarily know that it kills the project.

2866
03:49:28,960 --> 03:49:32,640
I don't know if it will pass or not.

2867
03:49:32,640 --> 03:49:40,920
You know, I, you know, when we have a, you know, it's a golden rule, rule, true, there's

2868
03:49:40,920 --> 03:49:41,560
how you want to be treated.

2869
03:49:41,940 --> 03:49:45,980
So if I make a motion, then just out of collegiality, you know, I always hope that there's

2870
03:49:45,980 --> 03:49:46,520
a second.

2871
03:49:46,920 --> 03:49:49,060
So things don't die for lack of a motion.

2872
03:49:50,500 --> 03:49:53,640
I'm personally, you know, interested in kind of the discussion.

2873
03:49:53,980 --> 03:49:59,780
So I think procedurally, just from a process perspective, you know, my recommendation would

2874
03:50:00,000 --> 03:50:12,880
At the vote, based on this motion, and then if there's another motion, if the, for example, the motion to deny fails, and then there's another motion, we just consider that motion on its merits.

2875
03:50:13,380 --> 03:50:24,660
And I'm surmising that the motion would be to a motion to approve and eliminate a lot one from the PD application. In that case, if it were to gain four votes, it would be approved.

2876
03:50:25,540 --> 03:50:27,740
We will do that tonight though.

2877
03:50:28,020 --> 03:50:28,040
Yes.

2878
03:50:28,480 --> 03:50:28,640
Yeah.

2879
03:50:28,680 --> 03:50:30,260
It doesn't start them back to the process.

2880
03:50:30,340 --> 03:50:35,140
The only thing that would start them back to the process is if the motion to deny is approved.

2881
03:50:38,640 --> 03:50:41,120
So if a majority council denies the...

2882
03:50:42,080 --> 03:50:43,020
Yes sir.

2883
03:50:43,840 --> 03:50:46,040
Yes, a motion to deny would kill it.

2884
03:50:46,180 --> 03:50:55,600
So if this motion stays as he is and it gets approved to deny this project what they're presenting tonight is gone.

2885
03:50:56,100 --> 03:50:56,400
Yes sir.

2886
03:51:01,170 --> 03:51:08,290
We're hoping it gets tonight. Yeah, so there's two past folks. So you can, um, you know, the motion doesn't pass.

2887
03:51:08,690 --> 03:51:13,350
Yeah, they can't always bring it back to helpful. Yeah. Yeah. They could bring about the council.

2888
03:51:13,530 --> 03:51:17,710
They could bring back the council. Um, you know, councilman Brennan had a question.

2889
03:51:18,010 --> 03:51:24,230
And I'll go ahead and answer the procedural side of it. Question was, can you make a motion to amend the motion on the floor?

2890
03:51:24,230 --> 03:51:32,410
That answer is yes, procedurally, you recognize the amendment before you recognize the original motion. That's true for all

2891
03:51:32,410 --> 03:51:34,230
besides the sides of it, so

2892
03:51:34,750 --> 03:51:38,070
You know if there's a motion to amend we can hear that

2893
03:51:38,070 --> 03:51:40,210
You have a motion council woman

2894
03:51:42,200 --> 03:51:44,360
I'd like to make a motion to amend

2895
03:51:45,240 --> 03:51:51,440
I'd like to make a motion to amend what you've presented here to remove one lot

2896
03:51:51,440 --> 03:51:53,620
between lots one through five

2897
03:51:54,240 --> 03:51:59,620
and we space them so it's four and that gets you really darn close to thirty

2898
03:51:59,620 --> 03:52:05,140
success, maybe just a little bit under, but I know we've approved just under thirty

2899
03:52:05,140 --> 03:52:10,540
success in the past on other developments because it meets the intent. Thank you.

2900
03:52:11,180 --> 03:52:15,700
So, I'll second that as well to kind of keep us moving along in the process and

2901
03:52:15,700 --> 03:52:23,600
in the spirit of collegiality. I'll also kind of restate the motion to make sure that I

2902
03:52:23,600 --> 03:52:30,020
the motion to deny and actually to be a motion to approve the item with the condition that

2903
03:52:30,020 --> 03:52:39,560
lot one is removed from the project okay do you care what lot one three five it

2904
03:52:39,560 --> 03:52:45,320
doesn't matter we would split it up and pre-make those lots larger so

2905
03:52:47,900 --> 03:52:52,880
so when we remove remove lot one it would be oh yeah we could just remove lot one and then move

2906
03:52:54,660 --> 03:52:57,640
So do you agree with how I restated it?

2907
03:52:57,940 --> 03:52:59,080
Okay, so it's an emotion too.

2908
03:52:59,180 --> 03:53:01,140
It's a motion to amend the motion on the floor.

2909
03:53:01,640 --> 03:53:05,140
And the amendment is to approve the PD.

2910
03:53:05,740 --> 03:53:07,880
As presented, except with the condition that.

2911
03:53:08,880 --> 03:53:11,880
Lot one is removed and then you had some other thoughts on the

2912
03:53:11,880 --> 03:53:13,620
Tensing that you want to do in corporate.

2913
03:53:15,100 --> 03:53:17,160
Yeah, we need to talk about it.

2914
03:53:17,280 --> 03:53:21,340
We move on warm and add that area to lots.

2915
03:53:21,340 --> 03:53:23,020
two through five, two through five.

2916
03:53:23,360 --> 03:53:23,380
Correct.

2917
03:53:23,920 --> 03:53:26,400
It's better to have lots of water for about 30,000.

2918
03:53:26,480 --> 03:53:29,760
And you can tell Robert's rules of order is not my strong point.

2919
03:53:29,920 --> 03:53:30,760
I will admit it.

2920
03:53:31,380 --> 03:53:31,520
All right.

2921
03:53:31,740 --> 03:53:35,120
So I'm going to, I'm going to restate my amendment to the motion.

2922
03:53:35,280 --> 03:53:38,980
My amendment to the motion is I would have put this development.

2923
03:53:39,080 --> 03:53:44,520
If you remove, say, law one, and you replace the lots between what's currently

2924
03:53:44,520 --> 03:53:48,620
law one and a lot five, because that one make those average up to about a little

2925
03:53:48,620 --> 03:53:50,580
over 35,000 square foot lots.

2926
03:53:50,580 --> 03:54:13,980
And I would amend, I would make an amendment to make that a masonry wall along the entryway on the left there that blocks that parking lot and keeps kids from climbing over the fence and then adding a gate with a code at the end of the cul-de-sac on the west side so that we don't have people walking into the subdivision that's intended to be gated.

2927
03:54:15,260 --> 03:54:20,540
We think the gate and code should be at the southwest corner of a lot of 15.

2928
03:54:21,600 --> 03:54:27,220
So people coming up from Johnson actually won't be able to go beyond the park.

2929
03:54:29,940 --> 03:54:34,440
So then I think, and I don't know part of motion needs to be the fences along the back,

2930
03:54:34,760 --> 03:54:36,220
which Gene, are you just going to do that?

2931
03:54:36,260 --> 03:54:40,460
To be cold aside, Curtis, when I had an adjunct and we've got Rod Island coming down for

2932
03:54:40,460 --> 03:54:42,940
here, we still have that.

2933
03:54:42,940 --> 03:54:45,460
we don't want to run on, this is side by side.

2934
03:54:46,080 --> 03:54:49,440
Those are comes out, we've got to have you here.

2935
03:54:50,020 --> 03:54:55,660
Her intent here is to keep students and others coming

2936
03:54:55,660 --> 03:54:58,500
out from Johnson and entering the project.

2937
03:54:59,140 --> 03:54:59,960
It seems to be...

2938
03:55:00,690 --> 03:55:26,790
That, you know, the path between 14 and 15. There's a, there's a trail that's between 14 and 15. You would have a gate at the very west corner of that path. There's a better, there's see that little black line, that little black line right there in your, yeah, right there would be a gate, so people can get out, but other people can't get in.

2939
03:55:29,970 --> 03:55:34,650
That would be an amendment, and then the lastly, whatever we need to say about the

2940
03:55:34,650 --> 03:55:39,510
Gina State's fence barrier, that we agreed to do that, that you would replace it with a

2941
03:55:39,510 --> 03:55:44,750
foot fence, that meets their HOA code, and you would make up the difference of the little

2942
03:55:44,750 --> 03:55:50,490
segments of fences now that will need to be extended, and that would be the extent of

2943
03:55:50,490 --> 03:55:51,890
my amendment to the motion.

2944
03:55:51,890 --> 03:55:55,590
Yeah, well stated, Sarah, does that give you what you need from a staff perspective?

2945
03:55:57,550 --> 03:56:06,310
I just want clarification on when we're talking about and we're split in hairs, but the square footages on lots one through five are all different.

2946
03:56:08,050 --> 03:56:11,890
So it sounds like the goal is to eliminate one lot.

2947
03:56:11,890 --> 03:56:23,310
And that's roughly a little over 28,000 square feet and then spread it out, but it's okay if it's not the exact 28,299 square footage of

2948
03:56:23,310 --> 03:56:27,790
lot, lot one, because like, lot four is a little less.

2949
03:56:29,640 --> 03:56:30,160
Right.

2950
03:56:30,960 --> 03:56:31,140
Yeah.

2951
03:56:32,740 --> 03:56:35,780
So when they're preparing their site plan, they've got that.

2952
03:56:36,400 --> 03:56:39,680
So, you pointed out the square footage difference.

2953
03:56:39,680 --> 03:56:40,780
Thank you for that, Sarah.

2954
03:56:41,120 --> 03:56:42,180
I want lots one through five.

2955
03:56:42,480 --> 03:56:45,380
You're clear on the masonry wall on the east side

2956
03:56:45,380 --> 03:56:47,200
that the councilman was referring to.

2957
03:56:49,280 --> 03:56:51,220
And then west side?

2958
03:56:51,280 --> 03:56:51,540
Yeah.

2959
03:56:52,320 --> 03:56:52,500
West side.

2960
03:56:52,860 --> 03:56:53,600
Right here.

2961
03:56:54,960 --> 03:56:56,980
And then on the gate issue with the code,

2962
03:56:57,200 --> 03:56:58,340
we're clear there, Sarah.

2963
03:56:59,800 --> 03:57:02,280
And then the fence along the genus state,

2964
03:57:03,780 --> 03:57:05,120
homes, we're clear on that.

2965
03:57:05,820 --> 03:57:07,300
And so I guess,

2966
03:57:08,520 --> 03:57:10,040
Did you have anything else Councilwoman?

2967
03:57:10,120 --> 03:57:18,640
Well, and I think just to kind of clean up what we just all said there, I think, to remove a lot we could just specify a remove a lot number three.

2968
03:57:19,020 --> 03:57:22,260
And we space all the rest of them between one and five.

2969
03:57:22,300 --> 03:57:23,900
Great. I'm agreeable to that as well.

2970
03:57:23,920 --> 03:57:26,400
We'll make it more specific. How about that?

2971
03:57:26,400 --> 03:57:28,840
And then everything else that we've talked about just now.

2972
03:57:29,040 --> 03:57:30,640
That's how I'd like them in my motion.

2973
03:57:30,640 --> 03:57:35,800
Yeah, okay, so remove lot three.

2974
03:57:36,840 --> 03:57:39,720
The mainstream wall, at a gate with code on the west,

2975
03:57:40,860 --> 03:57:43,720
fence matching the standards along the genus days.

2976
03:57:44,200 --> 03:57:45,260
Mayor Protem, do you have a comment?

2977
03:57:45,280 --> 03:57:47,400
Yeah, just a quick point for those listening

2978
03:57:47,400 --> 03:57:50,840
and those out there, using my colleague's Aggie Math

2979
03:57:50,840 --> 03:57:53,600
which is usually far superior to what they do in Austin.

2980
03:57:54,420 --> 03:57:55,560
It makes the,

2981
03:57:56,600 --> 03:58:02,260
did a lot of size at 35,500, like 500 feet less than 600 per

2982
03:58:04,060 --> 03:58:09,300
So, it's pretty darn close and I want to thank y'all for working with us and trying to do

2983
03:58:09,300 --> 03:58:12,740
with the best for the city and for the surrounding areas as well as a lot of the

2984
03:58:12,740 --> 03:58:12,980
stuff.

2985
03:58:13,180 --> 03:58:14,500
Councilwoman Brennan brought up.

2986
03:58:14,740 --> 03:58:16,980
Thank you for being willing to work with us.

2987
03:58:17,420 --> 03:58:17,980
All right.

2988
03:58:18,340 --> 03:58:19,700
So, let's do any further comments.

2989
03:58:19,960 --> 03:58:24,360
We'll go and recognize Councilwoman Brennan's amendment to the motion on the floor.

2990
03:58:24,580 --> 03:58:25,320
I'm the second.

2991
03:58:25,740 --> 03:58:27,600
Any further discussions on this?

2992
03:58:27,740 --> 03:58:28,880
If not, let's go and vote.

2993
03:58:30,280 --> 03:58:34,400
So, if you want the project to move forward with those conditions, go ahead and vote approve.

2994
03:58:34,660 --> 03:58:38,780
If you are against the project moving forward with those conditions, vote to nay or deny.

2995
03:58:40,860 --> 03:58:40,960
No.

2996
03:58:42,180 --> 03:58:42,440
Vote.

2997
03:58:42,800 --> 03:58:46,080
Yes to approve with those conditions from Councilman Brennan.

2998
03:58:47,740 --> 03:58:48,220
Okay.

2999
03:58:49,320 --> 03:58:52,280
So, item passes, five, one, one.

3000
03:58:52,640 --> 03:58:52,960
All right.

3001
03:58:53,720 --> 03:58:54,880
Thank you for coming in.

3002
03:58:57,080 --> 03:59:01,300
This evening, on our second new business item, so that's excited.

3003
03:59:01,800 --> 03:59:05,820
All right, H2, it's a public hearing, consider our resolution of proving a good discussion

3004
03:59:05,820 --> 03:59:06,200
of council.

3005
03:59:06,320 --> 03:59:09,680
Thanks, Councilwoman Brennan, for going through and thinking in the project.

3006
03:59:10,320 --> 03:59:14,640
H2, public hearing, consider our resolution of proving a few delanies plan amendment from

3007
03:59:14,640 --> 03:59:16,740
some of my public and low-density single family.

3008
03:59:17,000 --> 03:59:21,280
It's a medium-density, density single family, for 20.98 acres, leave the described as

3009
03:59:21,280 --> 03:59:24,600
a lot more in block three of the color high school subdivision located on the north side

3010
03:59:24,600 --> 03:59:28,540
Johnson Road approximately 20, 300 feet east of the Johnson Road and Borderland Road intersection

3011
03:59:28,540 --> 03:59:33,080
and address is not only Johnson Road, Curtis Young, Applicant Killer SD is the owner.

3012
03:59:34,400 --> 03:59:39,000
All right, is there a staff presentation on H2? Yes. Awesome. Thanks. Thank you, Mayor.

3013
03:59:40,780 --> 03:59:46,800
Yes, alongside the previous item, they submitted a future line-use plan amendment application

3014
03:59:46,800 --> 03:59:52,200
to go from semi-public and low-density single-family to medium-density single-family

3015
03:59:52,200 --> 03:59:58,440
for the just under 21 acres, North Johnson Road development.

3016
04:00:00,020 --> 04:00:15,020
Quick reminder on what our land use residential land use categories are. This is the going to the medium density single family and use category that's 15,000 square foot lots to adjust under 36,000 square foot lots.

3017
04:00:16,420 --> 04:00:22,340
The surrounding flood designations properties to the north east and west are designated

3018
04:00:22,340 --> 04:00:25,280
low-density single family to the south, some I public.

3019
04:00:27,280 --> 04:00:32,820
We did a mail out 28 letters of notification to all property owners within 300 feet of the site.

3020
04:00:33,480 --> 04:00:35,120
As well as a letter to the school district.

3021
04:00:38,920 --> 04:00:41,360
September 22nd, planning and zoning commission meeting.

3022
04:00:41,640 --> 04:00:47,540
Commissioners recommended approval of the flood amendment request as presented by a vote of five zero.

3023
04:00:48,220 --> 04:00:54,400
See, Council has the following options when considering this request, approve as submitted, a table or deny.

3024
04:00:55,220 --> 04:00:57,380
If you have any questions, staff and the applicant are available.

3025
04:01:16,630 --> 04:01:17,870
Any questions for staff?

3026
04:01:18,670 --> 04:01:19,450
This is a public hearing.

3027
04:01:20,050 --> 04:01:21,410
Would anyone like to speak on this item?

3028
04:01:21,790 --> 04:01:22,190
H2.

3029
04:01:27,340 --> 04:01:27,820
All right.

3030
04:01:28,000 --> 04:01:28,440
I've got a question.

3031
04:01:30,080 --> 04:01:30,840
I've got a question.

3032
04:01:30,840 --> 04:01:31,060
Thank you.

3033
04:01:31,140 --> 04:01:31,700
Thank you.

3034
04:01:31,700 --> 04:01:34,500
Well, let's go to the public hearing and then we'll go right to your question.

3035
04:01:34,500 --> 04:01:35,500
That's our works for you, Councilman.

3036
04:01:35,640 --> 04:01:36,000
Now you're good.

3037
04:01:36,400 --> 04:01:37,060
You've got a head of motion.

3038
04:01:37,060 --> 04:01:43,780
You're good. Motion to close the public hearing. Council on Armstrong. Second, the motion to close public hearing.

3039
04:01:44,100 --> 04:01:48,860
All right. Motion to second. Let's vote. Public hearing is closed. All right. Council on will.

3040
04:01:49,080 --> 04:01:52,260
You have a question. Yes, Mr. Chairman. Thank you. Sarah, do we?

3041
04:01:54,000 --> 04:01:59,140
The changes that we just made in the amendment would result in this still being low density.

3042
04:01:59,820 --> 04:02:02,740
So, do we even need to take action on this item?

3043
04:02:04,950 --> 04:02:13,230
The medium density classification goes up to 35,999 square feet.

3044
04:02:13,650 --> 04:02:16,890
Okay, I thought it was SF or anything other.

3045
04:02:17,650 --> 04:02:19,010
Thank you.

3046
04:02:23,000 --> 04:02:27,000
I'll go ahead and make a motion to approve item H2 as presented.

3047
04:02:31,560 --> 04:02:32,280
Councilman Armstrong.

3048
04:02:33,360 --> 04:02:35,080
Second, the motion to approve is presented.

3049
04:02:35,620 --> 04:02:36,180
All right, we have a motion.

3050
04:02:36,360 --> 04:02:38,720
Second, unless there's any further discussion, let's vote.

3051
04:02:38,720 --> 04:02:39,300
that

3052
04:02:45,570 --> 04:02:47,870
items also prove five one one.

3053
04:02:50,450 --> 04:02:50,890
H3.

3054
04:02:51,590 --> 04:02:53,110
All right, so thanks for coming in tonight.

3055
04:02:53,670 --> 04:02:55,370
I appreciate to throw a discussion on the application,

3056
04:02:56,630 --> 04:02:59,110
and we appreciate you through the business and color.

3057
04:02:59,290 --> 04:02:59,730
Have a good evening.

3058
04:03:00,710 --> 04:03:01,470
Absolutely, thank you.

3059
04:03:03,910 --> 04:03:06,830
All right, item H3 is a public hearing,

3060
04:03:07,130 --> 04:03:09,470
consider an ordinance of proving a specific use permit

3061
04:03:09,470 --> 04:03:11,210
for a drive through for seven group coffee

3062
04:03:11,210 --> 04:03:13,490
on one point one one acre is located on the north side

3063
04:03:13,490 --> 04:03:15,630
of Calar Parkway, located the corner of Calar Parkway

3064
04:03:15,630 --> 04:03:20,330
Pator Road, Lee Lewis Fragd is one of the lead Wayne subdivision, so on Rethel and addressed

3065
04:03:20,330 --> 04:03:24,910
I know one color Parkway, Drew Danoski is the applicant, he knows other Parkway LLC the owner.

3066
04:03:25,710 --> 04:03:26,930
Thank you Mayor, good evening council.

3067
04:03:27,130 --> 04:03:32,010
Evening flanters, plan 1, Ariel and Zona Mountain before you, subject property is zone

3068
04:03:32,010 --> 04:03:32,750
retail.

3069
04:03:34,010 --> 04:03:38,490
The applicant this evening is seeking a SUP for a drive-thru for seven group coffee.

3070
04:03:39,010 --> 04:03:42,730
All drive-thru businesses in the city require approval of an SUP to operate.

3071
04:03:42,730 --> 04:03:46,610
The applicant has also submitted a site plan with variances for this property.

3072
04:03:47,010 --> 04:03:49,830
That application is on the agenda as a separate item.

3073
04:03:51,210 --> 04:03:54,530
7 brew coffee is a drive through beverage chain known for its fast service,

3074
04:03:54,850 --> 04:03:58,210
energetic customer experience, and extensive menu customizable drinks.

3075
04:03:58,770 --> 04:04:03,570
In addition to coffee, it will offer tea, smoothies, energy drinks, shakes, and flavored sodas.

3076
04:04:03,570 --> 04:04:11,830
hours of operation are Sunday the Thursday 5.30 a.m. to 10 p.m. and Friday the Saturday 5.30 a.m. to 11 p.m.

3077
04:04:11,970 --> 04:04:15,590
the applicant expects the business to open with 8 to 10 employees.

3078
04:04:16,950 --> 04:04:21,530
As I mentioned earlier, they do have a proposed site plan that is on the agenda as a separate item.

3079
04:04:21,930 --> 04:04:26,690
They would be requesting nine variances related to site layout, landscaping and parking.

3080
04:04:27,990 --> 04:04:32,550
So, project property is zoned retail and designated retail commercial in the city's future

3081
04:04:32,550 --> 04:04:36,870
land use plan, surrounding zoning and land use to the north this town center mixed

3082
04:04:36,870 --> 04:04:41,470
use to the east and south as well to the west is retail and retail commercial.

3083
04:04:43,130 --> 04:04:47,110
On September 10th, the city mailed out 11 letters notification for this public hearing

3084
04:04:47,110 --> 04:04:50,810
and staff is not received any public feedback in response to this request.

3085
04:04:52,250 --> 04:04:55,870
At the September 22nd, planning and zoning commission meeting commissioners recommended

3086
04:04:55,870 --> 04:04:58,010
and approval DSUP by vote of 50.

3087
04:05:00,210 --> 04:05:08,050
Section 8.02, F2A of the UDC states that when considering a superior quest, the city council shall consider the fallen factors.

3088
04:05:08,670 --> 04:05:11,790
That the uses for harmonious and compatible with surrounding existing uses.

3089
04:05:12,510 --> 04:05:17,350
The activities requested by the applicant are normally associated with the permitted uses in the base district.

3090
04:05:18,450 --> 04:05:20,630
Then the nature of the use is reasonable and appropriate.

3091
04:05:21,570 --> 04:05:25,630
Any negative impact on the surrounding area has been mitigated and that any additional conditions,

3092
04:05:25,630 --> 04:05:30,030
to specify to ensure that the intent of the district purposes are being appelled.

3093
04:05:30,590 --> 04:05:34,130
Again, the request before you this evening is a specific use permit to operate and drive

3094
04:05:34,130 --> 04:05:36,590
through business and the retail zoning district.

3095
04:05:38,330 --> 04:05:42,570
Council is the following options when considering SAP request, approve approve of modifications,

3096
04:05:43,130 --> 04:05:47,330
table or deny, and staff and the applicant are here for any questions regarding the

3097
04:05:47,330 --> 04:05:47,610
SAP.

3098
04:05:49,860 --> 04:05:50,160
Excellent.

3099
04:05:50,380 --> 04:05:50,940
Thank you.

3100
04:05:51,100 --> 04:05:52,000
This is the public hearing.

3101
04:05:52,120 --> 04:05:52,820
Would anyone like this?

3102
04:05:52,820 --> 04:05:57,960
on item H3, not I make a motion to close the public hearing.

3103
04:06:01,440 --> 04:06:02,600
Council and Wattley.

3104
04:06:02,880 --> 04:06:07,980
Okay, hold your public hearing. All right, we got a motion in Mayor Pro time. Second. All right, motion

3105
04:06:07,980 --> 04:06:09,180
in second. Let's vote.

3106
04:06:15,380 --> 04:06:18,340
All right, any of you want to pose the closing of public hearing?

3107
04:06:21,430 --> 04:06:21,530
Okay,

3108
04:06:21,970 --> 04:06:30,770
public hearing is closed, the vote of 7-0. Any questions for the staff of the applicant?

3109
04:06:35,020 --> 04:06:35,200
We

3110
04:06:35,200 --> 04:06:39,240
closed this the first time ever we closed a public hearing without you. It was pretty

3111
04:06:40,140 --> 04:06:40,540
groundbreaking.

3112
04:06:44,180 --> 04:06:45,420
Unanimous by the way.

3113
04:06:47,470 --> 04:06:48,690
Any questions for staff the applicant?

3114
04:06:53,800 --> 04:06:53,860
Is the

3115
04:06:53,860 --> 04:07:01,840
up here? I wonder. We're entertaining aren't we? Do anything you want to add? You say you're

3116
04:07:01,840 --> 04:07:02,420
long enough.

3117
04:07:10,240 --> 04:07:15,480
All you're asking for a P.D. We got questions. Just a marriage. And y'all do those all day

3118
04:07:18,000 --> 04:07:24,780
My name is Roudanowski. I'm a Claymore engineering, 3231 hardwood road, Bedford, Texas,

3119
04:07:26,180 --> 04:07:31,460
76021. I'm coal blocker with a DOS the owner. We're 40403 north central expressway

3120
04:07:31,460 --> 04:07:36,800
Dallas. So this item is just the SCP, so that's for the drive-through. There's currently

3121
04:07:36,800 --> 04:07:42,540
drive-through around the building. The SCP would be for a new user, which is seven brews

3122
04:07:42,540 --> 04:07:47,020
as well as the expansion of it and then I think we'll save all the fun for the next item.

3123
04:07:49,320 --> 04:07:50,660
We're happy to answer any questions.

3124
04:07:51,020 --> 04:07:53,840
Any questions for staff the applicant, like I'm asking otherwise we'll entertain

3125
04:07:53,840 --> 04:07:54,560
a motion.

3126
04:07:55,780 --> 04:07:56,420
Carlson Armstrong?

3127
04:07:57,500 --> 04:08:03,680
Well, let's go after you have other tenants in that building and we'll just drive through

3128
04:08:03,680 --> 04:08:11,140
effect those other tenants as well and I see what Chick-fil-A does and I see what summer

3129
04:08:11,140 --> 04:08:18,920
moon does and 151 coffee all those places and if you're successful you will affect all those

3130
04:08:18,920 --> 04:08:19,600
other tenants.

3131
04:08:21,640 --> 04:08:24,460
How are you going to address that? So there's the existing drive through that goes

3132
04:08:24,460 --> 04:08:30,560
around the back of the building and I'm going to see if I can just jump back to there we go.

3133
04:08:32,500 --> 04:08:40,640
It goes around the north end and then up the south, south along the west side.

3134
04:08:41,940 --> 04:08:48,820
So, we anticipate all the drive-through traffic entering from the rear of the building, so the drive-through doesn't start at the beginning.

3135
04:08:49,060 --> 04:08:56,680
We've got that front parking field that's all for the other tenets in the front, and they really are completely separate.

3136
04:08:57,280 --> 04:09:05,740
So, part of the proposal here that we're doing to facilitate the project is we're purchasing some land from Andy's next door.

3137
04:09:06,480 --> 04:09:13,460
We're purchasing a strip of land along our north property line that takes our property line to the center of the existing fire lane to the north.

3138
04:09:14,740 --> 04:09:18,260
So that's been reflected in the image on the screen already.

3139
04:09:18,640 --> 04:09:23,600
But if you go to this page, you can see where the old property line is.

3140
04:09:23,880 --> 04:09:25,880
It doesn't quite go all the way to that road.

3141
04:09:25,880 --> 04:09:35,820
So that gives us the ability to move traffic off of paint or directly off of color, parkway along the east side of our property.

3142
04:09:36,200 --> 04:09:42,200
And I'll jump back here to that site plan so you can oops, so you can see that.

3143
04:09:42,420 --> 04:09:49,480
So if you're coming off of color parkway, you basically turn in right hand turn, you go straight back to the drive through and turn left in.

3144
04:09:49,480 --> 04:09:56,280
or you're coming off paint or you're turning right onto the fireland of the north

3145
04:09:56,280 --> 04:09:59,100
and then you can turn right into the site and basically do a little bit of a

3146
04:09:59,100 --> 04:09:59,960
determine over into the...

3147
04:10:00,840 --> 04:10:29,980
It's got dual dry through lanes. Similar to check the way, there's not a dedicated order point. They take orders on iPads. They have employees walking the line. That way, there's not a bunch of cars waiting to get to a single order point. And then they have runners that actually bring your coffee order in your drink order to your vehicle. So you don't actually have to wait till you get to the window to get your order. So if somebody that had a less complicated order or a smaller order say, that is not, at the front of the window, it's not a

3148
04:10:29,980 --> 04:10:34,000
line and they got their order and they're in that outside line, they could, they could leave,

3149
04:10:34,160 --> 04:10:38,100
they could get out without having to wait for everyone in front of them to get their order.

3150
04:10:38,240 --> 04:10:42,140
So that helps keep the traffic moving through that drive through efficiently.

3151
04:10:42,680 --> 04:10:45,700
So the two lanes is not both of them are not active.

3152
04:10:45,960 --> 04:10:48,520
The outside lane will be for somebody to be able to get out.

3153
04:10:48,740 --> 04:10:50,640
They are active. They are active.

3154
04:10:51,100 --> 04:10:56,340
But the sequencing in which they take orders and, I don't know, it's, it's particularly

3155
04:10:56,340 --> 04:10:57,760
if it's good enough for the case.

3156
04:10:59,960 --> 04:11:03,980
We have a three-foot straight median that goes in between those two-12 foot lanes.

3157
04:11:04,160 --> 04:11:09,860
That's where employees will be walking for that outside lane to take orders at the driver's side of the car.

3158
04:11:13,350 --> 04:11:14,330
All right, good questions.

3159
04:11:16,570 --> 04:11:17,450
Anything else?

3160
04:11:23,460 --> 04:11:24,260
We'll entertain a motion.

3161
04:11:26,570 --> 04:11:27,430
All right, Councilman Wally.

3162
04:11:30,070 --> 04:11:30,810
Thank you, Mr. Mayor.

3163
04:11:30,890 --> 04:11:32,170
Motion will approve.

3164
04:11:32,990 --> 04:11:33,830
H3 has presented.

3165
04:11:34,410 --> 04:11:35,150
All right, thank you, sir.

3166
04:11:35,150 --> 04:11:36,310
Councilwoman Brennan.

3167
04:11:36,670 --> 04:11:37,670
My second emotion.

3168
04:11:38,490 --> 04:11:39,730
All right, we have emotion in a second.

3169
04:11:40,150 --> 04:11:40,750
Let's go ahead and vote.

3170
04:11:44,650 --> 04:11:47,550
All right, Councilwoman, well, H3, we're just voting real quick.

3171
04:11:51,480 --> 04:11:57,180
That passes 7-0, H4, consider a resolution

3172
04:11:57,180 --> 04:11:58,780
improving a site plan amendment with grants

3173
04:11:58,780 --> 04:12:01,940
is for an existing 12,000, 17-square-foot.

3174
04:12:02,160 --> 04:12:03,320
Multitent voting on the property,

3175
04:12:03,440 --> 04:12:04,220
legally described as a lot.

3176
04:12:04,240 --> 04:12:05,840
One hour block, one of the leeway in some division

3177
04:12:05,840 --> 04:12:08,440
being one point, one one, an acre is located on the northeast corner,

3178
04:12:08,680 --> 04:12:10,820
of Calar Parkway and Padoa Road intersections on retail,

3179
04:12:10,820 --> 04:12:12,960
on address, not a link, a parkway, Dr. Danoski,

3180
04:12:13,140 --> 04:12:15,460
applicant, DW, color parkway, LLC, owner.

3181
04:12:17,040 --> 04:12:17,640
Thank you, Mayor.

3182
04:12:18,180 --> 04:12:19,680
Ariel and Zony Mountain, before you,

3183
04:12:19,680 --> 04:12:21,200
just as the applicant mentioned,

3184
04:12:22,040 --> 04:12:25,660
they will be purchasing a portion of Andy's property

3185
04:12:25,660 --> 04:12:28,880
to the east to accommodate for the two drive-thru lanes.

3186
04:12:30,200 --> 04:12:31,440
Little background on this property,

3187
04:12:31,580 --> 04:12:32,960
it was platted in 1999,

3188
04:12:33,260 --> 04:12:34,640
and the existing multi-tenered building

3189
04:12:34,640 --> 04:12:36,100
was built in 1984.

3190
04:12:36,980 --> 04:12:39,540
Appleton intends to develop the site for Sembrou Coffee,

3191
04:12:39,540 --> 04:12:43,880
as you saw in the previous agenda item, the other tenants will include the existing little

3192
04:12:44,420 --> 04:12:47,380
seasers, Keller Donuts, and a potential new restaurant.

3193
04:12:49,860 --> 04:12:54,380
Purpose of this item is to consider a request for a site plan with nine variances related

3194
04:12:54,380 --> 04:12:55,560
to the subject property.

3195
04:12:59,090 --> 04:13:03,830
EDC states that a minimum 30 foot landscape buffer adjacent to all thoroughfares with four

3196
04:13:03,830 --> 04:13:06,970
more lanes is classified on the current comprehensive thoroughfare plan.

3197
04:13:07,470 --> 04:13:11,630
Keller Parkways is a six lane roadway according to the city's thoroughfare plan, so a 30

3198
04:13:11,630 --> 04:13:16,390
but buffer is required. The applicant requests to not provide the 30-foot landscape buffer

3199
04:13:16,390 --> 04:13:23,530
a long-killer parkway. The next variance, UDC requires a minimum 15-foot landscape buffer

3200
04:13:23,530 --> 04:13:28,310
adjacent to all other public streets. Subject property borders in North Peter Road, a regular

3201
04:13:28,310 --> 04:13:34,410
public street to the west. The applicant requests to provide an 18-inch buffer along the west property

3202
04:13:34,410 --> 04:13:36,370
line adjacent to the North Peter Road.

3203
04:13:38,450 --> 04:13:42,170
The next variance, UDC requires a minimum 10-foot landscape

3204
04:13:42,170 --> 04:13:46,790
buffer adjacent to side and rear property lines when adjacent to non-residential uses or

3205
04:13:46,790 --> 04:13:47,170
zoning.

3206
04:13:47,690 --> 04:13:51,930
This provision does not apply in cases of shared driveways or parking between lots.

3207
04:13:52,670 --> 04:13:56,830
The proposed site plan is showing cross access to the east property so the applicant

3208
04:13:56,830 --> 04:14:01,690
request to provide an eight-foot landscape buffer along the north property line and lieu of

3209
04:14:01,690 --> 04:14:03,030
the ten-foot buffer requirement.

3210
04:14:05,990 --> 04:14:10,570
UDC requires four-inch caliper canopy trees near the center of the 30-foot landscape buffer

3211
04:14:10,570 --> 04:14:12,970
adjacent to thorough fares or four more lanes.

3212
04:14:12,970 --> 04:14:16,990
the applicant request to not provide buffer trees a long-killer parkway.

3213
04:14:20,560 --> 04:14:25,960
UDC requires all parking islands to be a minimum of nine feet and width in 20 feet and length.

3214
04:14:26,120 --> 04:14:28,840
The applicant is proposing to install six parking islands.

3215
04:14:29,340 --> 04:14:34,600
Four of those parking islands will have a minimum of nine feet and width in 20 feet and length matching the UDC.

3216
04:14:35,280 --> 04:14:41,800
They are having two parking islands in front of the building to be measured at nine feet and width in 18 feet and length.

3217
04:14:41,800 --> 04:14:46,260
So there are requesting to install two landscape islands that do not meet the UDC.

3218
04:14:49,550 --> 04:14:57,370
UDC Section 9.02 G50 states the parking ratio for retail and personal establishment is one space for 200 square feet of rose floor area.

3219
04:14:57,570 --> 04:14:59,970
Bringing their requirement to 61 regular space.

3220
04:15:00,000 --> 04:15:09,040
Sight plan includes 55 Braggler and 3 accessible spaces, so they are requesting a variance to allow the site to be underparked by six spaces.

3221
04:15:11,950 --> 04:15:17,930
UDC states that each standard off-street parking space shall be in accordance with the city design standards.

3222
04:15:18,130 --> 04:15:28,070
UDC shows three options for 90 degree parking spaces. The existing parking spaces on the property measure at 18 feet in length without a wheel stop.

3223
04:15:28,070 --> 04:15:35,330
And so the applicant is requesting to make all the parking spaces 18 feet in length without a wheel stop, which is what is currently on the property.

3224
04:15:38,820 --> 04:15:43,320
Existing structure is approximately 12,000 square feet, and includes multiple tenant spaces.

3225
04:15:44,020 --> 04:15:54,860
UDC states that foundation planting a minimum of five feet and width, which I'll be provided at the fronts and sides of buildings and child consists of a combination of ground covers, shrubs and ornamental trees.

3226
04:15:55,540 --> 04:15:59,380
The applicant request to not install any of the required foundation planting.

3227
04:16:01,750 --> 04:16:13,590
Section 50321 of the 2024 IFC states that all construction of fire apparatus access roads must comply with the current color UDC and the guidelines outlined in this section.

3228
04:16:13,970 --> 04:16:19,810
Fire apparatus access roads must have an unobstructed width of at least 24 feet, including shoulders.

3229
04:16:20,570 --> 04:16:29,250
The applicant request to provide a 20 foot wide, a fire lane adjacent to the front of the existing building in lieu of the 24 foot wide fire lane requirement.

3230
04:16:29,850 --> 04:16:34,650
They did have a meeting with the fire marshal, and the fire marshal has stated that by

3231
04:16:34,650 --> 04:16:38,370
restriping the existing fire lane will provide the necessary coverage.

3232
04:16:42,000 --> 04:16:46,940
Proposed elevations show a combination of white brick and sandblast with a black and blue

3233
04:16:46,940 --> 04:16:47,920
trim finish.

3234
04:16:48,840 --> 04:16:52,780
And a breakdown of the materials used on each elevation is included in the agenda packet.

3235
04:16:55,060 --> 04:16:59,940
Here's just a photo of the subject property currently, and I will point out that the post-site

3236
04:16:59,940 --> 04:17:02,260
plan would remove the fuel tanks and the canopy.

3237
04:17:04,820 --> 04:17:11,040
Applicant intends to maintain the two access points on Killer Parkway and the one access point on NorthPader Road.

3238
04:17:11,500 --> 04:17:17,800
They're proposing cross access to the East neighboring property which will be dedicated as an emergency access easement.

3239
04:17:17,820 --> 04:17:25,380
The applicant has submitted preliminary drainage plans for this development, but the applicant did not provide utility plans as this property is already developed.

3240
04:17:28,550 --> 04:17:35,370
Subject property is designated retail commercial on the city's future land use plan and the surrounding land use designations are as follows.

3241
04:17:35,370 --> 04:17:38,610
to the north-south and east are mixed use

3242
04:17:38,610 --> 04:17:40,510
and to the west is retail commercial.

3243
04:17:43,200 --> 04:17:45,000
Site-plane application, even with variances,

3244
04:17:45,180 --> 04:17:46,560
does not require a public hearing,

3245
04:17:46,720 --> 04:17:48,020
so no public hearing notifications

3246
04:17:48,020 --> 04:17:50,280
were sent out to the surrounding property owners.

3247
04:17:50,880 --> 04:17:52,420
Public had an opportunity to speak on the side

3248
04:17:52,420 --> 04:17:53,800
of them during persons to be heard.

3249
04:17:56,370 --> 04:17:59,070
Section 2.07, A2, of the UDC list,

3250
04:17:59,250 --> 04:18:00,550
the following criteria for the council

3251
04:18:00,550 --> 04:18:02,910
when considering a site-plentiment of variances,

3252
04:18:03,730 --> 04:18:04,910
that there are special circumstances

3253
04:18:04,910 --> 04:18:07,310
or conditions affecting the land involved,

3254
04:18:07,310 --> 04:18:12,750
that the granting of the variance will not be detrimental to the public health safety or welfare,

3255
04:18:13,490 --> 04:18:18,610
that the granting of the variance will not have the effect of preventing the orderly subdivision of other lands,

3256
04:18:19,250 --> 04:18:23,430
that the granting of the variance will not constitute a violation of any other valid ordinance,

3257
04:18:24,250 --> 04:18:31,770
that strict compliance with the regulations and or that the purpose of the regulations will be served to a greater extent by the alternative proposal.

3258
04:18:33,080 --> 04:18:37,560
Here is just a recap of the variances requested this evening.

3259
04:18:38,020 --> 04:18:39,420
It's kind of hard to see for number nine.

3260
04:18:39,500 --> 04:18:41,880
That is regarding the 20-foot wide fire lane.

3261
04:18:45,610 --> 04:18:48,330
City Council has the following options when considering a site plan,

3262
04:18:48,590 --> 04:18:52,450
amendment with variances, approve as submitted with the requested variances,

3263
04:18:53,010 --> 04:18:55,250
approve with modifications, table, or deny.

3264
04:18:56,270 --> 04:18:58,070
And staff in the applicant are here for any questions.

3265
04:18:59,710 --> 04:19:00,290
Thank you, sir.

3266
04:19:03,840 --> 04:19:07,080
Any questions for staff for the applicant on item age four?

3267
04:19:08,040 --> 04:19:09,000
Councilwoman Brennan?

3268
04:19:09,660 --> 04:19:10,660
I do have some questions.

3269
04:19:11,420 --> 04:19:12,900
I think first off for staff,

3270
04:19:13,720 --> 04:19:16,500
the 20th and 20th foot with

3271
04:19:16,500 --> 04:19:19,320
Fire Lane versus 24 foot.

3272
04:19:19,480 --> 04:19:22,080
Did you hear from the fire marshall about that?

3273
04:19:23,340 --> 04:19:24,580
I might have missed that comment.

3274
04:19:26,720 --> 04:19:28,860
The applicant, oh, here she is.

3275
04:19:29,020 --> 04:19:30,080
I'll let her talk to speak to it.

3276
04:19:30,300 --> 04:19:30,880
All right.

3277
04:19:31,460 --> 04:19:32,840
Our favorite fire marshall.

3278
04:19:33,440 --> 04:19:35,640
So you okay with 20 foot instead of 24?

3279
04:19:35,640 --> 04:19:40,780
Yes, so the on the top part of there you can see there is a wide enough

3280
04:19:40,780 --> 04:19:44,220
Fire Lane that's going to be behind the building that does reach our hose reach

3281
04:19:44,220 --> 04:19:49,080
requirements. We're keeping that 20-foot Fire Lane in the front mainly for

3282
04:19:49,080 --> 04:19:54,080
access throughout there. We likely we could still operate off of it that's where it's

3283
04:19:54,080 --> 04:20:00,000
at now, but we can reach every part of that building from that other Fire Lane.

3284
04:20:00,000 --> 04:20:07,320
It only requires one side per code, so we could have abandoned the front one, but we still want that just from an access.

3285
04:20:07,960 --> 04:20:09,740
I can't be able to get in and out of that parking lot.

3286
04:20:10,360 --> 04:20:13,380
Okay, I want to make sure. Thank you, Stephanie, appreciate it.

3287
04:20:13,700 --> 04:20:18,760
All right, and then for the applicant I had with some clarifications, may be I'm tired.

3288
04:20:19,480 --> 04:20:21,380
These meetings go so late these days.

3289
04:20:23,380 --> 04:20:29,200
So we're keeping their original building there, and we're just modifying the outside of it, right?

3290
04:20:29,200 --> 04:20:31,680
And taking down the gas, the fuel.

3291
04:20:31,680 --> 04:20:33,180
You take up a gas thing.

3292
04:20:33,840 --> 04:20:36,940
And so part of this issue is that you had,

3293
04:20:37,700 --> 04:20:40,240
is this project was approved a very long time ago.

3294
04:20:40,500 --> 04:20:44,900
And I think Sarah told me it was before the UDC

3295
04:20:44,900 --> 04:20:46,900
even existed codes.

3296
04:20:47,700 --> 04:20:50,700
And so a lot of the kind of these skinny little areas

3297
04:20:50,700 --> 04:20:53,140
that you have between the parking lot

3298
04:20:53,140 --> 04:20:55,600
and the street and those sorts of things.

3299
04:20:55,840 --> 04:20:57,420
I mean, it's there.

3300
04:20:57,420 --> 04:21:02,660
And that's what it's been and you're kind of stuck with it if you're leaving the building exactly in the same spot.

3301
04:21:03,040 --> 04:21:07,420
So I totally understand the logic of why you're having to do that.

3302
04:21:08,160 --> 04:21:11,680
It's my understanding is we just kind of stuck with the state that's already there.

3303
04:21:12,180 --> 04:21:13,800
It's been there for a very long time.

3304
04:21:14,060 --> 04:21:15,260
Okay. I just want to clarify.

3305
04:21:15,780 --> 04:21:17,880
We were scraping the site, you know, it would be different.

3306
04:21:18,060 --> 04:21:21,880
But the goal is to reuse an existing building and bring better tenants to Keller.

3307
04:21:24,880 --> 04:21:26,400
All right. May I approach them?

3308
04:21:26,400 --> 04:21:27,820
Thank you, Mr. Mayor.

3309
04:21:28,240 --> 04:21:31,080
Yeah, when I first thought I thought you all were rebuilding it, I was excited.

3310
04:21:31,380 --> 04:21:33,580
But I'll be honest, I'm glad y'all are investing in it.

3311
04:21:34,660 --> 04:21:37,960
And I was looking at it closer, it looks like it'll look good.

3312
04:21:38,180 --> 04:21:39,800
I do have a couple of questions.

3313
04:21:40,980 --> 04:21:43,840
The Y-No Foundation planners, I guess I wouldn't follow in that.

3314
04:21:44,380 --> 04:21:47,780
So the South facade, which is the front, is actually covered.

3315
04:21:48,000 --> 04:21:50,980
There's about an eight foot awning that covers.

3316
04:21:51,140 --> 04:21:53,420
Nothing would grow even if we planted it.

3317
04:21:53,640 --> 04:21:54,500
Even fake one, not kidding.

3318
04:21:54,860 --> 04:21:55,960
That makes it fair enough.

3319
04:21:55,960 --> 04:21:58,360
I've seen people do it. I don't know. I'm just good.

3320
04:21:58,660 --> 04:22:01,800
I think that was just areas, especially here in Keller, where everything's living.

3321
04:22:02,400 --> 04:22:06,240
And we prefer living, but it's also the aesthetic that we're going to have.

3322
04:22:06,300 --> 04:22:08,140
And this is one of our most visible locations.

3323
04:22:08,660 --> 04:22:11,480
Even traffic-wise as I'm sure you know, that's why you're investing in it.

3324
04:22:12,600 --> 04:22:14,480
But it's an opportunity to beautify the area.

3325
04:22:14,620 --> 04:22:16,260
And I appreciate y'all are doing that on the outside.

3326
04:22:16,780 --> 04:22:20,120
Are y'all repaving the parking lot, too? Because there's a lot of holes in there.

3327
04:22:20,500 --> 04:22:22,520
Just the damaged areas. The damaged areas.

3328
04:22:22,520 --> 04:22:28,700
significant damage, we're removing that pavement and replacing it and then we are cutting in several

3329
04:22:28,700 --> 04:22:33,100
landscape violence to add some greenery between the building and the street which does not exist

3330
04:22:33,100 --> 04:22:38,920
at all today, especially since we can't provide that 40-foot buffer. So as you can imagine for

3331
04:22:38,920 --> 04:22:43,940
a 12,000 square foot multi-tinent building, every parking space counts because we can't have enough

3332
04:22:43,940 --> 04:22:49,780
parking for attendance where we're going to have a problem keeping them long-term. So every space

3333
04:22:49,780 --> 04:22:53,760
that we have given up is a painful space

3334
04:22:53,760 --> 04:22:56,500
that we've dedicated specifically to plan more trees.

3335
04:22:57,160 --> 04:22:58,060
And that was intentional.

3336
04:22:58,840 --> 04:22:59,960
OK, and I'll just say this.

3337
04:22:59,960 --> 04:23:01,420
The other virgins is, don't bother me.

3338
04:23:01,580 --> 04:23:03,100
Y'all are doing it in the best you can with a lot.

3339
04:23:03,280 --> 04:23:06,280
You have, I appreciate all investing in the area,

3340
04:23:06,600 --> 04:23:08,680
because we've been, I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one

3341
04:23:08,680 --> 04:23:11,040
in council that's been hoping that would happen,

3342
04:23:11,540 --> 04:23:15,640
especially the damage to the parking in addition.

3343
04:23:15,820 --> 04:23:17,300
So I look forward to what Y'all are doing.

3344
04:23:17,520 --> 04:23:18,480
Y'all wish y'all best of luck.

3345
04:23:18,820 --> 04:23:18,960
Thank you.

3346
04:23:18,960 --> 04:23:20,100
Thank you, thanks.

3347
04:23:20,500 --> 04:23:21,720
All right, Councilman Wattley.

3348
04:23:23,120 --> 04:23:24,080
Thank you, Mr. Mayor.

3349
04:23:25,060 --> 04:23:25,980
Excuse me.

3350
04:23:27,460 --> 04:23:29,880
And this is really more of a curiosity.

3351
04:23:31,140 --> 04:23:36,600
Are you maintaining the same challenge so you expect your turnover and then elevated

3352
04:23:37,620 --> 04:23:38,180
Yeah.

3353
04:23:38,260 --> 04:23:39,680
As you'd like to see, let's say.

3354
04:23:40,020 --> 04:23:44,060
Yeah, we expect to turn over the entire building at some point.

3355
04:23:44,600 --> 04:23:48,220
Currently, little Caesars in the Donuts have the longest term leases still in place.

3356
04:23:48,220 --> 04:23:53,700
everything else is more or less they can handle it. We can get too very quickly. We have the goal

3357
04:23:53,700 --> 04:23:59,640
us to bring newer better tenants to the shop of center. Absolutely. And if you're long-term planned

3358
04:23:59,640 --> 04:24:06,820
to have the same number of tenants or maybe reduce that? I mean we could go either way. I mean we

3359
04:24:06,820 --> 04:24:13,220
could have you know a bunch of 1200 square foot or 1200 in that 3000. So we just have to see.

3360
04:24:13,220 --> 04:24:15,480
All right, I'm Edward, I'll show you our team more.

3361
04:24:15,600 --> 04:24:16,320
Thank you.

3362
04:24:24,690 --> 04:24:26,670
Thanks, Councilor Wally, Councilor Ancliffe.

3363
04:24:26,950 --> 04:24:27,870
Thank you, Mr. Mayor.

3364
04:24:29,710 --> 04:24:32,170
So to piggyback on, Councilman Wally's question,

3365
04:24:33,550 --> 04:24:35,550
start sports, are they still sticking around?

3366
04:24:36,710 --> 04:24:38,250
As of right now, they are, yes.

3367
04:24:38,710 --> 04:24:41,950
Because they're a long, kind of term fixture

3368
04:24:41,950 --> 04:24:45,110
in the community that sells really great Indian gear.

3369
04:24:45,430 --> 04:24:46,930
So I hope they stick around and stay.

3370
04:24:48,170 --> 04:24:49,290
We will do our best, absolutely.

3371
04:24:49,290 --> 04:24:56,170
I'm pretty sure Cody Thorn got that back there with Community Impact, so we'll

3372
04:24:56,170 --> 04:24:57,030
Councilman.

3373
04:24:57,330 --> 04:24:59,230
That for a bit.

3374
04:25:00,270 --> 04:25:05,230
Any other questions? If not, we'll recognize a motion. Councilman Armstrong?

3375
04:25:09,280 --> 04:25:16,160
I've got several questions. And it pertains to the page 8 on all the things you're asking for on the

3376
04:25:16,160 --> 04:25:23,220
variances. I'm not in agreement with you not providing some type of landscape buffer along the

3377
04:25:23,220 --> 04:25:30,640
front. Everybody else along that parkway has significant amount of parkway grass and actually

3378
04:25:34,040 --> 04:25:40,040
would like to say that I can't approve that, and I'd also like to make sure that if you

3379
04:25:40,040 --> 04:25:44,040
have to put something there, that you actually put some sprinkle on it to make it grow.

3380
04:25:45,340 --> 04:25:57,020
The 18-inch landscape muffler along the west side, and the packet also says that one of the

3381
04:25:57,640 --> 04:26:04,180
Bradford pairs that have been standing ugly and dead for a number of years and it's mentioned

3382
04:26:04,180 --> 04:26:10,100
and now that you'll leave one of those, I would like to see if we're going to allow an

3383
04:26:10,100 --> 04:26:15,320
18 inch only buffer there. I would like to see some significant improvement on that as far as

3384
04:26:15,320 --> 04:26:22,180
the trees. I'm good with the 8 foot landscape buffer along the north.

3385
04:26:26,330 --> 04:26:27,590
You have a power line in front

3386
04:26:27,590 --> 04:26:33,890
of you along Keller Parkway, so I disagree with planting trees under that so that one I

3387
04:26:33,890 --> 04:26:39,350
don't want to see a you and it in 10 years if the city requires you to plant a tree there.

3388
04:26:40,270 --> 04:26:44,930
Install two landscape islands that don't meet UDC, you're already fighting a crunch on

3389
04:26:44,930 --> 04:26:45,430
the parking.

3390
04:26:45,910 --> 04:26:47,130
I'm okay with that.

3391
04:26:48,370 --> 04:26:50,930
I'm okay with the under park by six spaces.

3392
04:26:51,290 --> 04:26:55,550
I hope you get real busy and you really have a problem and Andy's doesn't like you when

3393
04:26:55,550 --> 04:26:56,030
you're done.

3394
04:26:58,770 --> 04:27:06,410
18 feet in length without a wheel stop. I'm good with. If we're not going to do any foundation planning,

3395
04:27:07,390 --> 04:27:12,190
then I would like to see that you do some potted plants on the sidewalks or something to give

3396
04:27:12,190 --> 04:27:17,990
it some color. You're bringing in better tenants. I'd like for you to give them some reason to like going to work.

3397
04:27:18,930 --> 04:27:26,010
And then the last one. Fire Martial address that one and I'm safe with that. Thank you. Thank you.

3398
04:27:26,030 --> 04:27:31,010
You took two council norms strong point. You just heard some feedback out of those comments.

3399
04:27:31,230 --> 04:27:34,670
What do you think you can reasonably incorporate in your site plan?

3400
04:27:35,150 --> 04:27:39,690
One thing I do want to just clarify briefly is on the west side along paid.

3401
04:27:40,470 --> 04:27:44,590
Or we've listed as an 18 inch buffer that sounds really small.

3402
04:27:44,810 --> 04:27:46,210
Most of us three to four feet wide.

3403
04:27:46,410 --> 04:27:49,470
But there's a pinch point because the curvature of that outside drive through lane.

3404
04:27:49,490 --> 04:27:51,010
It gets down to a foot and half.

3405
04:27:51,010 --> 04:27:56,130
So, we do have five new trees proposed in that area as well as some shrubs.

3406
04:27:56,510 --> 04:28:00,230
There is a decent amount of space to plant, it's just at one little pinch point.

3407
04:28:03,120 --> 04:28:08,980
Does you have any other items besides the median or the trees that you want to incorporate it?

3408
04:28:10,870 --> 04:28:17,330
Are you good with having a grass out along the parkway between the sidewalk and the brick pavers?

3409
04:28:17,330 --> 04:28:28,950
So, today, the existing brick paper sidewalk, and that actually is a budding the property line itself.

3410
04:28:29,110 --> 04:28:35,950
So, that's why we have the variance of zero landscape setbacks, and it's because there is zero landscape setback today.

3411
04:28:35,950 --> 04:28:38,350
And that's just the nature of the building.

3412
04:28:38,870 --> 04:28:46,370
We did talk about that with P&Z, I believe that was a point that Dr. Scott brought up,

3413
04:28:46,370 --> 04:28:52,510
at P&Z and in order to facilitate a buffer, we would lose 14 parking spaces.

3414
04:28:53,650 --> 04:28:59,190
A 2-way drive aisle with 90-degree parking, required to have a 24-foot width.

3415
04:28:59,730 --> 04:29:01,230
Right now we have less than that.

3416
04:29:01,450 --> 04:29:07,370
It's between 22 and 20 feet wide, so it's already pretty tight.

3417
04:29:07,870 --> 04:29:10,130
So we would lose 14 spaces.

3418
04:29:10,250 --> 04:29:14,370
Now I will say when working with staff, we did have four additional parking spaces

3419
04:29:14,370 --> 04:29:24,830
in the southeast corner, just south of that cross access, and here I can, oh, other way.

3420
04:29:27,160 --> 04:29:33,120
Where I'm talking about is on the right here, south side of the sidewalk, take out some of

3421
04:29:33,120 --> 04:29:38,340
those pavers. Yeah, I think what Drew was just mentioning is the property line currently

3422
04:29:38,340 --> 04:29:43,100
about those pavers, and that's all owned by Techstock to the south of that. And so if we if we

3423
04:29:43,100 --> 04:29:49,040
into our property, we're losing the 24-foot with, we're not even probably that today,

3424
04:29:49,660 --> 04:29:53,500
at access drive and therefore, those spaces, and so we'd lose approximately 14.

3425
04:29:53,620 --> 04:29:57,000
But I think what you're asking is maybe even south of that along the curb, between the sidewalk

3426
04:29:57,000 --> 04:29:57,620
and the curb.

3427
04:30:00,000 --> 04:30:24,520
I'm going to do a approach text out to talk about adding plants. It probably takes sort of some sort of license agreement or something. I will say they do not allow irrigation to be installed the right way. So, it's make that pretty tough to survive. We've fought that battle on many projects. Drip or spray. The only way they allow it is to put a spray hat on private property and spray into the right way, which in this case you'd be spraying over a sidewalk.

3428
04:30:24,520 --> 04:30:27,620
It was from Algae, it'll be a sub by the highest quarter.

3429
04:30:29,040 --> 04:30:29,700
Yeah, right.

3430
04:30:30,120 --> 04:30:30,780
Colors, this is water.

3431
04:30:31,400 --> 04:30:31,560
Yeah.

3432
04:30:36,040 --> 04:30:36,940
Practice water future.

3433
04:30:37,600 --> 04:30:39,420
Well, we had a little problem when you're in the road.

3434
04:30:39,580 --> 04:30:41,420
We don't want that.

3435
04:30:41,520 --> 04:30:42,360
Anything else, Councilman?

3436
04:30:42,620 --> 04:30:44,940
The only other item, that parking lot is horrible.

3437
04:30:45,820 --> 04:30:48,020
And I know you mentioned you're going to patch some areas.

3438
04:30:48,500 --> 04:30:50,960
They have done a retopping of that parking lot.

3439
04:30:51,100 --> 04:30:53,580
Probably three times in my tenure here in Keller.

3440
04:30:55,260 --> 04:30:57,980
Yep, stick on a pig is still going to be lipstick on a pig.

3441
04:30:57,980 --> 04:31:04,980
And you're going to try to put a new facade up, ask for new clients to come in, make a new project for it, be proud of it.

3442
04:31:06,340 --> 04:31:09,580
And you almost have to have full will drive to go get a donut currently.

3443
04:31:11,060 --> 04:31:13,940
So I would ask that you do something more than just patch.

3444
04:31:14,260 --> 04:31:14,660
Yes, sir.

3445
04:31:14,660 --> 04:31:17,220
We're looking into doing more than just patching.

3446
04:31:17,220 --> 04:31:20,130
And more than just patching the, you know, the parts that we're ripping up.

3447
04:31:20,620 --> 04:31:23,920
I was, I was drove it today before the meeting and it's in poor condition,

3448
04:31:24,500 --> 04:31:27,140
especially the back little access drive here.

3449
04:31:27,140 --> 04:31:30,700
that doesn't exist today, but people have made it on the list.

3450
04:31:31,140 --> 04:31:35,100
I wouldn't suggest it, but yes, or we're looking into...

3451
04:31:37,860 --> 04:31:41,060
All right, exactly, it's been made one, and not a good one.

3452
04:31:42,420 --> 04:31:42,740
Thank you.

3453
04:31:42,760 --> 04:31:43,260
Good discussion.

3454
04:31:44,400 --> 04:31:44,980
Dr. Ancliffe?

3455
04:31:46,860 --> 04:31:47,280
Thank you, Mayor.

3456
04:31:49,520 --> 04:31:55,480
So are you happy with kind of some of, because I agree, so what he's trying to get at is that

3457
04:31:57,440 --> 04:32:01,320
the way that it's currently set up right now, it'd be nice to see

3458
04:32:01,320 --> 04:32:08,600
see some landscaping in that area. I would consider that to be a pretty important area

3459
04:32:08,600 --> 04:32:13,920
within Keller. There's a lot of traffic there and so I think Councilman Armstrong is raising some

3460
04:32:13,920 --> 04:32:19,440
really good questions about you know beautifying that at that such a word since we're throwing

3461
04:32:19,440 --> 04:32:24,800
out all sorts of good comments tonight or quotes for Cody back there and I think more importantly

3462
04:32:24,800 --> 04:32:28,940
I mean I assume that you came to Keller because you think this is a great place to invest and start a

3463
04:32:28,940 --> 04:32:29,540
as well.

3464
04:32:31,020 --> 04:32:34,360
Yeah, I mean, this is, and we know that this is the really the front door to your high school

3465
04:32:34,360 --> 04:32:36,520
and it deserves better certainly than what it is today.

3466
04:32:37,060 --> 04:32:41,340
So I think that's where he's trying to get out and, you know, and I support kind of some

3467
04:32:41,340 --> 04:32:44,660
of the points that Councilman Armstrong was making about, let's, let's dress it up

3468
04:32:44,660 --> 04:32:45,880
to the extent that we can.

3469
04:32:46,420 --> 04:32:46,660
Yeah.

3470
04:32:46,860 --> 04:32:47,440
Great comments.

3471
04:32:48,600 --> 04:32:49,300
Thank you.

3472
04:32:49,480 --> 04:32:50,800
The Lons, I did have a question.

3473
04:32:51,360 --> 04:32:57,120
Would you mind speaking on, we were talking about the right away integration, would you mind

3474
04:32:57,120 --> 04:33:02,460
that's correct. So when it comes to what goes in a right away, that's always the maintenance

3475
04:33:03,360 --> 04:33:09,760
of the adjacent property owner. Text that refers to pay it over so they don't maintain it,

3476
04:33:09,860 --> 04:33:16,080
but that doesn't prohibit the adjacent property from doing that. Excuse me. In terms of irrigation

3477
04:33:16,080 --> 04:33:21,890
in the right away, that's actually allowed. That's where our green ribbons are all about. We put

3478
04:33:21,890 --> 04:33:27,630
irrigation in the right away all the time, provided we take care of it, and I don't see

3479
04:33:27,630 --> 04:33:29,870
how that would be anything different in this case.

3480
04:33:30,230 --> 04:33:36,650
So, long story short, the applicant can irrigate the rightaway area we're talking about.

3481
04:33:36,730 --> 04:33:38,630
There are multiple examples of that.

3482
04:33:40,810 --> 04:33:44,970
Now, what would be as interactive of a water feature as I was describing what would be good?

3483
04:33:44,970 --> 04:33:45,950
Maybe not that far.

3484
04:33:46,050 --> 04:33:46,270
Yeah.

3485
04:33:46,830 --> 04:33:47,630
But we could do it safely.

3486
04:33:47,670 --> 04:33:51,330
I've had different experiences, but hearing that we'd be happy to work with staff.

3487
04:33:51,330 --> 04:33:54,250
Okay, work would text directly to facilitate that.

3488
04:33:54,470 --> 04:33:55,790
Okay. That's good.

3489
04:33:57,370 --> 04:34:02,910
So, Councilman basically, I think the answer just to recate it is applicants, amenable to.

3490
04:34:03,630 --> 04:34:08,910
We're agreeable, I should say, working on the irrigation at that right of where we're talking about.

3491
04:34:09,670 --> 04:34:13,650
So, I think that's the subject of text approval.

3492
04:34:15,610 --> 04:34:17,150
And we are adding 10 trees.

3493
04:34:17,150 --> 04:34:19,710
to just counted between the building and killer parkway.

3494
04:34:19,870 --> 04:34:23,450
So we are adding some landscape for sure.

3495
04:34:23,930 --> 04:34:26,010
And the canopy is currently scheduled to come down

3496
04:34:26,010 --> 04:34:27,070
at the first week in November.

3497
04:34:27,490 --> 04:34:28,830
And the gas tanks, too.

3498
04:34:29,090 --> 04:34:32,310
So it will already look better in the next two to three weeks

3499
04:34:32,310 --> 04:34:33,110
or, you know, so.

3500
04:34:33,210 --> 04:34:34,990
And there's no dumpster enclosure today.

3501
04:34:35,070 --> 04:34:36,690
But we're going to build one, so.

3502
04:34:36,990 --> 04:34:37,150
Awesome.

3503
04:34:37,870 --> 04:34:39,870
There's no dumpster enclosure for that building.

3504
04:34:39,870 --> 04:34:41,530
They just have a dumpster sitting out there.

3505
04:34:41,810 --> 04:34:43,110
But we're going to build a masonry enclosure.

3506
04:34:44,750 --> 04:34:44,870
Great.

3507
04:34:47,290 --> 04:34:53,670
So we'll incorporate those, that feedback, as far as the irrigation, what are the feedback

3508
04:34:53,670 --> 04:34:57,430
that we need to incorporate into, there's a motion on the floor we're going to recognize

3509
04:34:57,430 --> 04:34:59,190
and appreciate Councilful Wally.

3510
04:35:00,000 --> 04:35:03,000
I'm running for being patient while we discuss it.

3511
04:35:04,260 --> 04:35:10,320
We incorporate some of these changes into the motion, council mawali. Sorry, council mawinkly, did you have another follow-up?

3512
04:35:10,660 --> 04:35:15,160
Yeah, I just want to make sure too, because we were talking a lot about some of the landscaping and then the parking.

3513
04:35:15,460 --> 04:35:21,040
So that when we take a, so if you're heading down 1709 heading west and you take a right like you're going to the high school.

3514
04:35:22,160 --> 04:35:25,360
What does that area look like in terms of landscaping like what's being done?

3515
04:35:25,360 --> 04:35:32,880
So, as you're heading north on on paid or what does that look like, five new trees?

3516
04:35:33,940 --> 04:35:39,660
Yeah, if you pull up the applicant packet attachment and look at page 20, the full

3517
04:35:39,660 --> 04:35:43,640
landscape plan is in there where you can see the trees kind of starting at that entrance

3518
04:35:43,640 --> 04:35:48,660
off of paid or wrapping around all the way back to the entrance they're proposing on the

3519
04:35:48,660 --> 04:35:48,940
north.

3520
04:35:49,280 --> 04:35:53,780
It may just help you with the visual of where those trees are going to go and again it's

3521
04:35:53,780 --> 04:35:56,740
page 20 of the attachment labeled applicant packet.

3522
04:35:57,780 --> 04:35:58,380
Thank you, sir.

3523
04:36:00,890 --> 04:36:01,070
All right.

3524
04:36:06,190 --> 04:36:09,070
We're ready to recognize a motion from Councilman Watley.

3525
04:36:12,430 --> 04:36:13,230
Thank you, Mr. Mayor.

3526
04:36:13,970 --> 04:36:23,970
I, my motion was going to be to approve item H4 as presented, but it sounds like some of

3527
04:36:23,970 --> 04:36:29,190
my fellow council members want to make some amendments to that.

3528
04:36:32,970 --> 04:36:36,690
So, I should let you all and let them make a motion.

3529
04:36:37,330 --> 04:36:41,050
Yeah, Councilman Armstrong, I can, you know, Councilman Brennan, did you want to...

3530
04:36:41,050 --> 04:36:41,930
No, I didn't like that.

3531
04:36:44,020 --> 04:36:50,580
Okay, so I'm going to make a motion to approve item H4, Councilman Armstrong.

3532
04:36:51,700 --> 04:36:53,220
I'm going to volunteer you as the second.

3533
04:36:53,560 --> 04:36:57,920
I just need you to iterate all of the requested changes we're talking about.

3534
04:37:01,540 --> 04:37:10,520
on the request number one, that they will at least provide some landscape grass buffer out

3535
04:37:10,520 --> 04:37:19,300
on the Keller Parkway side with irrigation. If approved by text, I'd like to select

3536
04:37:19,300 --> 04:37:20,940
it to them. Okay.

3537
04:37:34,180 --> 04:37:38,700
That's the only one, the rest of them they clarified. Okay. Great.

3538
04:37:38,700 --> 04:37:46,940
or for clarification on that Councilman, I just want to make sure that would be not an obstacle

3539
04:37:46,940 --> 04:37:52,440
with them moving forward with the rest of the site improvements because I think there

3540
04:37:52,440 --> 04:38:00,100
is concern about the tech stock factor in that possibly slowing them down with the rest

3541
04:38:00,100 --> 04:38:01,720
of the improvements.

3542
04:38:03,520 --> 04:38:08,620
That's not a deal breaker for me, but I would like for it to be compatible with the rest

3543
04:38:08,620 --> 04:38:11,560
of the businesses along there and also having grass.

3544
04:38:13,660 --> 04:38:19,300
So, what language do you need to make sure that they can move forward without getting hung up?

3545
04:38:19,640 --> 04:38:21,660
I don't know that I have suggested language.

3546
04:38:21,840 --> 04:38:27,880
I just want to make sure we all understand that unless we tie that to something, like we will

3547
04:38:27,880 --> 04:38:33,220
issue a CO, or we will not do their site final or something, I don't have any leverage to force

3548
04:38:33,220 --> 04:38:33,520
that.

3549
04:38:33,520 --> 04:38:37,420
I can ask them repeatedly, where are you at, and where are you guys at on the text

3550
04:38:37,420 --> 04:38:45,280
audit navigation, but if we don't tie it to something, and it's difficult because I also

3551
04:38:45,280 --> 04:38:48,520
know that the text is a bit of a wild card here.

3552
04:38:49,840 --> 04:38:57,860
Okay, then amended to reflect the fact that they will get, will not be able to get a CO unless

3553
04:38:57,860 --> 04:39:00,260
this is a dressed has presented tonight.

3554
04:39:03,460 --> 04:39:04,780
They'll be agreeable to us,

3555
04:39:04,960 --> 04:39:06,240
because then at least we could move forward

3556
04:39:06,240 --> 04:39:09,400
with the project and in the coming back.

3557
04:39:09,400 --> 04:39:11,580
The side of the table has been installed anyway.

3558
04:39:12,440 --> 04:39:13,120
So, yep. Okay.

3559
04:39:13,460 --> 04:39:15,900
As long as you guys are agreeable, it makes sense to me.

3560
04:39:16,140 --> 04:39:16,920
I won't.

3561
04:39:17,220 --> 04:39:20,020
Okay. So, we'll not be able to get a CEO

3562
04:39:20,020 --> 04:39:23,320
for any new business or for seven brew,

3563
04:39:23,440 --> 04:39:25,880
or what do we just so I know how to implement it?

3564
04:39:25,880 --> 04:39:28,120
Seven brew is their big gun company.

3565
04:39:28,120 --> 04:39:31,800
the rest of them are already there.

3566
04:39:32,060 --> 04:39:36,260
Okay, so then I, and I don't, I think what I'm hearing is.

3567
04:39:36,260 --> 04:39:37,380
Tell me what you want, Sarah.

3568
04:39:37,820 --> 04:39:40,540
Okay, because I always think about, okay,

3569
04:39:40,640 --> 04:39:43,140
how are we gonna administer this later down the road,

3570
04:39:43,320 --> 04:39:46,580
then we would not, our office would not be able to issue

3571
04:39:46,580 --> 04:39:49,880
the CEO for the seven brew until they provide

3572
04:39:49,880 --> 04:39:51,740
a documentation that they hit either

3573
04:39:51,740 --> 04:39:54,100
received approval from TechSaut to do the sought

3574
04:39:54,100 --> 04:39:56,480
in the irrigation or denial.

3575
04:39:56,840 --> 04:39:57,940
I think that's what you're looking for.

3576
04:39:57,940 --> 04:39:59,740
for sure guys is timeline on the 7th brew.

3577
04:40:00,000 --> 04:40:08,780
What's the, I mean, our plan's already done, our civil, all we've got about how quickly you want to mess up.

3578
04:40:09,160 --> 04:40:14,680
So we're ready to, I mean, they would like us to get going and, you know, so they could start construction.

3579
04:40:14,820 --> 04:40:21,100
So we can deliver the site to them, you know, sometime next spring-ish, and then they could start their work from there.

3580
04:40:21,540 --> 04:40:27,540
And as I was saying that, I don't know, Santa, this is considered conditioning something for off-site improvements.

3581
04:40:28,760 --> 04:40:33,460
Or because it would already be space that the required to maintain, is that okay?

3582
04:40:34,260 --> 04:40:37,980
This is the right way, rather than someone else's property.

3583
04:40:38,280 --> 04:40:39,300
Probably own property.

3584
04:40:41,740 --> 04:40:42,980
Yeah, let's get these CO.

3585
04:40:43,580 --> 04:40:45,540
Let's talk to any new CO.

3586
04:40:47,440 --> 04:40:50,680
What are the seven brews or anything else?

3587
04:40:53,200 --> 04:40:53,500
Reable.

3588
04:40:54,240 --> 04:40:55,620
Yeah, we're a variable of that.

3589
04:40:55,620 --> 04:40:58,340
Also, so you've got a different experience with text out.

3590
04:40:58,500 --> 04:40:59,920
I kind of want to look out for this.

3591
04:41:00,840 --> 04:41:02,980
So spring, you know, seven group comes in.

3592
04:41:02,980 --> 04:41:04,020
They start doing their work.

3593
04:41:04,380 --> 04:41:06,640
Let's ballpark it at a month or two.

3594
04:41:06,700 --> 04:41:11,040
So we're talking about what may, June, right?

3595
04:41:11,260 --> 04:41:12,600
Should be able to run any time to get an answer.

3596
04:41:12,740 --> 04:41:15,560
Is that a reasonable amount of time for text out to get their work done?

3597
04:41:15,940 --> 04:41:16,740
Yeah, we'll open it.

3598
04:41:17,500 --> 04:41:17,720
Okay.

3599
04:41:18,080 --> 04:41:18,380
All right.

3600
04:41:18,740 --> 04:41:20,640
That was my concern as I didn't want you guys.

3601
04:41:20,900 --> 04:41:22,320
And I think Councilman Armstrong as well.

3602
04:41:24,000 --> 04:41:24,160
Okay.

3603
04:41:25,660 --> 04:41:37,740
So, motion to approve item H4 with the landscape and irrigation conditions that's stated by Councilman Armstrong, who assume he's still second.

3604
04:41:39,400 --> 04:41:39,600
All right.

3605
04:41:39,780 --> 04:41:41,140
Any further questions for clarification?

3606
04:41:41,660 --> 04:41:42,480
Any further discussion?

3607
04:41:42,940 --> 04:41:43,120
It's not.

3608
04:41:43,300 --> 04:41:44,100
Let's take a vote.

3609
04:41:48,900 --> 04:41:50,060
Pass this seven on.

3610
04:41:50,660 --> 04:41:52,840
Hey, thanks for investing in that area.

3611
04:41:53,620 --> 04:41:57,640
That's, I think it's exciting to work that you're about to do and it's really going to

3612
04:41:58,600 --> 04:42:01,500
You know, re-energize that property.

3613
04:42:01,840 --> 04:42:03,200
So, thanks for doing that.

3614
04:42:07,420 --> 04:42:07,580
Okay.

3615
04:42:08,440 --> 04:42:16,800
All right, last item on new business, unless a staff would like to or excuse me,

3616
04:42:16,840 --> 04:42:20,500
unless colleagues would like a presentation, I don't think we need a presentation on this item.

3617
04:42:22,320 --> 04:42:27,160
I'll be really brief if you have that conversation.

3618
04:42:28,680 --> 04:42:32,580
So, H5, consider an ordinance of the City Council to seek out our taxes and many of the City of

3619
04:42:32,580 --> 04:42:37,000
Keller could ordinances by many chapter two of the administration by deleting article 9 reserved

3620
04:42:37,000 --> 04:42:41,780
and adding a new article 9 in Keller Sports Authority Board, authorizing a publication and establishing

3621
04:42:41,780 --> 04:42:43,260
an effective date.

3622
04:42:44,240 --> 04:42:48,100
I just want to add a few brief comments that I haven't already stated.

3623
04:42:48,720 --> 04:42:50,580
There might be a little bit of duplication.

3624
04:42:51,060 --> 04:42:56,980
So this item was originally tabled, I think, about a month ago, and I think the questions

3625
04:42:56,980 --> 04:43:01,880
is that we're asked or good, and the questions I've been asked since when I've been in

3626
04:43:01,880 --> 04:43:08,400
the community have been primarily what's the vision? It really is, our North Star is,

3627
04:43:08,800 --> 04:43:14,400
you know, I would argue, and I will state tonight, that our North Vision is serving our

3628
04:43:14,400 --> 04:43:20,560
kids and the families that use our facilities and our sports facilities in Keller. I'll never

3629
04:43:20,560 --> 04:43:24,140
forget the common as we've gone through our fact finding that youth sports is the front door

3630
04:43:24,140 --> 04:43:28,700
up of any Texas town. And I think those words are true. And I think that's all of our

3631
04:43:28,700 --> 04:43:35,160
North Star. So I appreciate the opportunity to further clarify the vision. And I think

3632
04:43:35,160 --> 04:43:40,940
the objective is, as we heard from our Parks and Recreation Board tonight, is accountability.

3633
04:43:42,340 --> 04:43:46,560
We've been talking about youth programming for the past six years. I've been on city council

3634
04:43:46,560 --> 04:43:54,980
And at the end of the day, I actually do think after our strategic session, we're all aligned on making sure that we keep

3635
04:43:54,980 --> 04:43:56,400
Keller families playing in Keller.

3636
04:43:57,480 --> 04:44:02,160
I don't think any of us would have proved, actually, I know none of us would have proved some

3637
04:44:02,160 --> 04:44:04,580
of the examples that I talked about tonight.

3638
04:44:05,300 --> 04:44:09,820
We don't want to lose Keller families to other sports associations that's happening in

3639
04:44:09,820 --> 04:44:10,720
masks.

3640
04:44:11,560 --> 04:44:14,820
We certainly don't want verbally abusive coaches to be allowed to coach for years.

3641
04:44:14,820 --> 04:44:17,020
I know we have a agreement on that, everyone in the room

3642
04:44:17,020 --> 04:44:19,040
tonight during our joint meeting agrees.

3643
04:44:20,520 --> 04:44:23,660
And it's just my opinion, both as a dad,

3644
04:44:23,780 --> 04:44:24,980
as a sports coach, and as a mayor,

3645
04:44:25,700 --> 04:44:27,480
that we can no longer stand by and wait

3646
04:44:27,480 --> 04:44:30,100
when we have financial questions that are offered,

3647
04:44:30,280 --> 04:44:33,040
or excuse me, financial questions that are being asked,

3648
04:44:34,120 --> 04:44:36,080
almost as a whistleblower complaint,

3649
04:44:36,780 --> 04:44:39,400
about how monies are being spent as an association.

3650
04:44:39,820 --> 04:44:41,880
I think that deserves inquiry.

3651
04:44:42,420 --> 04:44:43,540
And so that's our purpose.

3652
04:44:44,280 --> 04:44:51,360
I've been asked by folks in the community, I was told at lunch the other day, you know, you need to be clear on vision.

3653
04:44:51,840 --> 04:44:59,960
So I think we're aligned on that, but for folks watching, I know that I owe it to our staff, to our residents, to be clear.

3654
04:45:00,000 --> 04:45:07,000
On why I think we all believe this discussion is important. It's rooted in the idea that we can do even better for

3655
04:45:07,000 --> 04:45:11,600
our families. I believe that to my core, and I think that my colleagues do too.

3656
04:45:12,760 --> 04:45:18,050
I think really the main question that we're wrestling with is not so much where we're going, but how we get there.

3657
04:45:19,120 --> 04:45:24,900
And so I did find the joint work session to be helpful and informative.

3658
04:45:24,900 --> 04:45:34,920
So I appreciate, you know, the opportunity to have that discussion, I'll just be really try to be really clear on this point.

3659
04:45:35,540 --> 04:45:39,740
I view a sports authority as additive.

3660
04:45:40,000 --> 04:45:48,120
It's the exact model that we used to allocate $50 million in taxpayer money to the Keller Sports Park.

3661
04:45:48,120 --> 04:45:54,440
We created a task force, and that task force gathered a ton of community input.

3662
04:45:55,240 --> 04:46:01,980
And so why not, you know, my comment would be, a couple of points, why not just use

3663
04:46:01,980 --> 04:46:05,100
the existing model, our Parks and Recreation Board is phenomenal.

3664
04:46:05,920 --> 04:46:09,300
I do think that they could perform some of this work.

3665
04:46:09,300 --> 04:46:12,480
I think they've already proven that, but really that's not the question for me.

3666
04:46:12,500 --> 04:46:17,820
It's a question of bandwidth, it's a question of capacity, it's a question of how important

3667
04:46:17,820 --> 04:46:25,340
is this title, I think, excuse me, this item, I think we need to send a message to the community

3668
04:46:25,340 --> 04:46:26,520
that this is really important.

3669
04:46:27,340 --> 04:46:33,420
And so it is additive in my mind, I would imagine that this board would work in concert, hand

3670
04:46:33,420 --> 04:46:33,740
in hand.

3671
04:46:33,920 --> 04:46:39,640
And I even imagine that some parks and recreation board members could serve on both boards, but

3672
04:46:39,640 --> 04:46:44,920
I don't imagine that every parks and recreation board member wants to entertain youth sports

3673
04:46:44,920 --> 04:46:46,600
programming at this level.

3674
04:46:46,600 --> 04:46:54,520
And so for those folks who signed up to serve on the Parks and Recreation Board, you know, I am sensitive to that.

3675
04:46:56,060 --> 04:47:01,660
And I'm also, I also think that we need to, last thing I'll say, and I'll give you an example.

3676
04:47:02,840 --> 04:47:09,100
I do think that we need to have more parents that have experience with use sports involved in the conversation.

3677
04:47:09,900 --> 04:47:13,180
And how we do that, I'm open to ideas, I've suggested a few.

3678
04:47:13,180 --> 04:47:16,840
I don't pretend to have the best ideas, but I think it's absolutely imperative.

3679
04:47:17,500 --> 04:47:20,880
The example I'll leave you with this. It's not an emotional one.

3680
04:47:21,380 --> 04:47:27,420
Flag football is one of the biggest areas of appetite for growth in the

3681
04:47:27,420 --> 04:47:31,440
color community. I actually know a couple girls who we play basketball against that

3682
04:47:31,440 --> 04:47:34,720
they literally go to a flag football school and they compete in state championships.

3683
04:47:35,180 --> 04:47:39,980
It's pretty awesome. And when that idea was presented to the city using the

3684
04:47:39,980 --> 04:47:47,480
current mechanism, it was immediately shot down, and I think that's not because of a lack

3685
04:47:47,480 --> 04:47:51,160
of desire to be supportive. I don't think our Parks and Recreation Board was trying

3686
04:47:51,160 --> 04:47:56,940
to be unsupportive. I think it was an acknowledgement that, you know, of this status quo,

3687
04:47:57,400 --> 04:48:01,780
the associations run the business. And so at the end of the day, I think Keller, parents,

3688
04:48:02,460 --> 04:48:07,580
Keller residents need a bigger and seated the table. And so that's why I do prefer the

3689
04:48:07,580 --> 04:48:12,940
sports authority model. It's important to me, it's something that I ran on as mayor, but I'm

3690
04:48:12,940 --> 04:48:17,960
one of 47,000 people. And so if you all have a better idea on how to get to that in North

3691
04:48:17,960 --> 04:48:23,900
Star and get to the place where we're keeping Keller families playing in Keller, we're addressing

3692
04:48:24,620 --> 04:48:31,160
quality of coaching, we're helping families grow and fellowship together, I'm all for it. So with that,

3693
04:48:32,220 --> 04:48:36,520
those are my comments. It would be really curious and an open and interested in your feedback.

3694
04:48:37,880 --> 04:48:38,920
Councilwoman Brennan?

3695
04:48:40,140 --> 04:48:44,280
Yeah, I mean, I thought we had very good discussion day with Parks and Recreation Board.

3696
04:48:44,780 --> 04:48:51,220
And the takeaway for me, that meeting was, they had the expertise, they've been involved in the sports part.

3697
04:48:51,380 --> 04:48:53,560
And probably I'm looking for a very long time.

3698
04:48:54,540 --> 04:48:57,580
They would like to have some additional enforcement capability.

3699
04:48:57,600 --> 04:49:00,680
And I think we're pretty much going to go do that.

3700
04:49:00,800 --> 04:49:04,180
Go enforce these user agreements if they're not being abided by.

3701
04:49:04,180 --> 04:49:17,380
But they volunteered to step it up to meet the concerns and needs mayor that you have mentioned, gathering input from the community, I mean they've agreed to all that.

3702
04:49:18,620 --> 04:49:28,160
So I don't have any problem with like a Keller Sports Authority, but I would say it would be within the current Keller Parks and Recreation Board.

3703
04:49:28,160 --> 04:49:38,180
Some sort of subcommittee or something rather than having an entirely new board that just does this and I because I think I was pretty impressed with

3704
04:49:39,000 --> 04:49:44,220
Parks and Rec stepping up and saying that. Yeah, they've got the bandwidth. They've got the expertise

3705
04:49:44,220 --> 04:49:51,180
And they think they can go do this and they're going to see feedback from us and see back from the community

3706
04:49:51,180 --> 04:49:57,120
So I was pretty happy with that, so maybe the bottom line is that I think the idea of a

3707
04:49:57,120 --> 04:50:00,000
Keller Sports Authority could be done within exists.

3708
04:50:00,000 --> 04:50:08,760
Think Hello Parks and Recreation Award, almost like a subcommittee or a subgroup or whatever you want to call it versus an entirely brand new committee.

3709
04:50:09,720 --> 04:50:19,240
Yeah, so I think that's an idea worth considering in Council Wally. I do have one quick follow up and then we'll go to you.

3710
04:50:19,240 --> 04:50:27,100
Um, do you favor the model of the, like, uh, just generally speaking, um, and I'm not trying

3711
04:50:27,100 --> 04:50:31,900
to put you on the spot, but there's anyone favor the model of the sports park task force

3712
04:50:31,900 --> 04:50:37,120
that we used. Because that's really the model that I imagine. It was extremely effective in how

3713
04:50:37,120 --> 04:50:42,820
we collected feedback. It was extremely nimble. And it led to one of the biggest and best achievements

3714
04:50:42,820 --> 04:50:45,740
that this city council has accomplished.

3715
04:50:46,560 --> 04:50:51,100
My only concern with subordinating a group of folks

3716
04:50:51,100 --> 04:50:53,080
as a subcommittee, is it just kind of

3717
04:50:53,080 --> 04:50:55,200
sends a message that, yeah, it's important,

3718
04:50:55,680 --> 04:50:57,620
but we're going to kind of keep the status quo.

3719
04:50:58,200 --> 04:50:59,860
So, I'm not trying to put you on the spot council

3720
04:50:59,860 --> 04:51:03,520
and bring in, but my only thought would be,

3721
04:51:03,520 --> 04:51:04,900
if that's what we end up doing,

3722
04:51:05,000 --> 04:51:06,060
then that's what we end up doing,

3723
04:51:06,220 --> 04:51:08,660
and we can certainly nominate and fix folks

3724
04:51:08,660 --> 04:51:11,160
to serve on the subcommittee, and that'll be perfectly fine.

3725
04:51:11,160 --> 04:51:17,560
I'll just tell you in the past six years my experience has been and I think actually for

3726
04:51:17,560 --> 04:51:24,880
the city as a whole task force model was extremely helpful and instructive in the process

3727
04:51:24,880 --> 04:51:31,260
and what I really liked about it is it brought in new elements of community feedback.

3728
04:51:32,180 --> 04:51:37,400
People that hadn't had input before were heard and heard at a higher level.

3729
04:51:37,400 --> 04:51:40,560
So that's my kind of food for thought on that.

3730
04:51:40,680 --> 04:51:42,140
But I'm open to the idea.

3731
04:51:42,780 --> 04:51:43,560
So I think it's good comments.

3732
04:51:43,780 --> 04:51:44,400
Thank you.

3733
04:51:44,700 --> 04:51:45,180
Councillor Wattley.

3734
04:51:47,040 --> 04:51:47,840
Thank you, Mr. Mayor.

3735
04:51:50,540 --> 04:51:56,400
I thought we had a good meeting with the Parsons Lab.

3736
04:51:59,980 --> 04:52:07,380
I never spoke, never said a word, but I listened, and what I heard was

3737
04:52:07,380 --> 04:52:17,180
group of people who have a long history of washing with the person wrapped and trying to handle

3738
04:52:17,180 --> 04:52:27,300
the sports organizations, I heard the word accountability used a lot and empowerment.

3739
04:52:27,300 --> 04:52:43,300
And I personally think that we have a on-part and rep, we have a group of people who are hungry and have the ability to do what we need them to do.

3740
04:52:45,680 --> 04:52:53,800
To do everything that the cellar sports authority would do, I believe they have the bandwidth,

3741
04:52:54,360 --> 04:53:02,720
the appetite, and the ability, and I think we would be remiss not to give them the opportunity

3742
04:53:03,220 --> 04:53:12,200
and empower them to draw the hard line in the sand, hold people accountable, and get

3743
04:53:12,200 --> 04:53:21,960
impact and feedback from the community and I just in my opinion, but I think we would be

3744
04:53:21,960 --> 04:53:25,540
remiss not to get them the opportunity to do that.

3745
04:53:26,520 --> 04:53:29,580
Good comments, and I promise I'll be brief in my response.

3746
04:53:29,800 --> 04:53:33,860
It's hard to capture six years of experience and a minute or less.

3747
04:53:34,600 --> 04:53:39,280
We have had that opportunity as a parks and recreation board working with them.

3748
04:53:39,280 --> 04:53:47,360
example I'll give you is the baseball fees. We spent more time talking about baseball fees

3749
04:53:47,360 --> 04:53:51,760
with directly with the Parks and Recreation Board and asking them with working on that

3750
04:53:51,760 --> 04:53:57,160
single issue. It got to the point where I was called in at the last minute along with our city

3751
04:53:57,160 --> 04:54:09,260
manager at a quasi-emergency meeting with KYA and they were desperate, I don't want to

3752
04:54:09,260 --> 04:54:12,320
And Erin, if I'm speaking, please correct me because I don't want to ever

3753
04:54:12,320 --> 04:54:17,300
mistake something on the public record, but they were very concerned about the fact

3754
04:54:17,300 --> 04:54:20,720
that they did not have feedback in time to start their season.

3755
04:54:21,260 --> 04:54:28,600
And so what I'm trying to say without being negative on any one or any group of people is that

3756
04:54:28,600 --> 04:54:31,100
the current model is leading to those results.

3757
04:54:31,460 --> 04:54:37,320
And if we're comfortable giving a much bigger scope of work with the same mechanisms in place,

3758
04:54:37,320 --> 04:54:43,160
My fear isn't the people in the room my fear is it's going to consume so much bandwidth that we're going to take that

3759
04:54:43,780 --> 04:54:53,920
Very urgent issue with baseball fees and we're going to put it at scale and it's going to overwhelm a wonderful group of people and

3760
04:54:53,920 --> 04:54:59,960
So councilman, you know in some ways it'd be like me kind of you know telling you how to you know

3761
04:55:00,000 --> 04:55:18,260
Put up a horse ranch, like in my mind, it's like, yeah, I could probably nibble around the edges. I just don't know that I've done a very good job explaining how critical some of these decisions are and I have not had the opportunity to inform you guys of these decisions.

3762
04:55:18,260 --> 04:55:23,980
excuse me of the process and the inefficiencies they're in. So, I just wanted to, you know,

3763
04:55:24,060 --> 04:55:29,100
put it out there that we have been working feverishly with the Parks and Recreation Board,

3764
04:55:29,620 --> 04:55:32,980
and it's starting to, it's just, it's led to some clunky things, and so maybe there's a way

3765
04:55:32,980 --> 04:55:38,820
we can improve that as well. But I think your comments are good, and I agree with a lot of them.

3766
04:55:56,110 --> 04:56:02,890
Mayor Protem. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Oh, it's late. I'll try to make a coherent statement with my

3767
04:56:02,890 --> 04:56:10,210
brain trying to fall asleep. One things I wish we would have done and this is on Charles

3768
04:56:10,770 --> 04:56:17,190
or excuse me, Councilman Rank leave and the mayor and I, we didn't really define kind

3769
04:56:17,190 --> 04:56:19,510
of the specifics of the board, I don't know what I said, but whatever.

3770
04:56:20,670 --> 04:56:26,350
Yes, Councilman Dr. Rank leave. I'm sure he's been called worse. But no, it would have been

3771
04:56:26,350 --> 04:56:31,650
nice to think if we would have defined specifically gotten to the nuts and bolts like for

3772
04:56:31,650 --> 04:56:37,110
feedback, what that means, whether, you know, it's email, feedback, or literal survey to

3773
04:56:37,110 --> 04:56:41,210
all the players of the different leagues, and it's kind of the discussions, and, you

3774
04:56:41,210 --> 04:56:44,670
know, there's things that have happened over the last six months that kind of got in the way

3775
04:56:44,670 --> 04:56:50,630
of that. And I think it would have led to even more interesting discussion with Parks and

3776
04:56:50,630 --> 04:56:50,890
Rec.

3777
04:56:55,880 --> 04:57:01,520
I think there's the, you know, the sports park is the largest investment in

3778
04:57:01,520 --> 04:57:06,260
history if I'm not wrong. And we want to put out a good product that we can for them. But at

3779
04:57:06,260 --> 04:57:12,880
the same time, listening to Parks and Rec today, it does sound like they're hungry. And

3780
04:57:12,880 --> 04:57:17,420
Mr. Mayor, I know we've talked about this because we're trying to put out the best product

3781
04:57:18,040 --> 04:57:21,980
and with these kids, they only get like what? Before they start doing high school, they only get

3782
04:57:21,980 --> 04:57:27,860
like four years out there. And so the pair, you know, it's a short window. And so I would say to

3783
04:57:27,860 --> 04:57:32,380
I'm going to split the baby here to the point you're making is, you know, give parks and

3784
04:57:32,380 --> 04:57:36,320
wreck a shot and if they are overwhelmed because you also made a comment there that was

3785
04:57:36,320 --> 04:57:41,400
actually I thought really poignant is you don't want them to be stuck discussing, you

3786
04:57:41,400 --> 04:57:46,180
sports 99% of the time and be overwhelmed by it if we do empower them because I actually

3787
04:57:46,180 --> 04:57:47,060
thought that was a good point.

3788
04:57:47,200 --> 04:57:49,680
I don't know if they wanted to do that as well.

3789
04:57:51,120 --> 04:57:55,460
With this fake, you know, at least for now I'm actually okay with them doing it based on what

3790
04:57:55,460 --> 04:58:04,120
They say, I think the core of this is we need to identify what changes need to be made to prevent

3791
04:58:04,120 --> 04:58:08,480
some of the things that you mentioned in the previous discussion happening, as well as

3792
04:58:08,480 --> 04:58:12,680
things like that we had some really good discussions about development of players.

3793
04:58:12,980 --> 04:58:17,540
I'll give an example for those listening, you know, for youth football, making sure they're using the same

3794
04:58:17,540 --> 04:58:22,380
schemes that use in the high school. And for baseball, having the high school baseball team involved

3795
04:58:22,380 --> 04:58:26,860
employer development and so there's interaction and then also ways of tracking at the

3796
04:58:26,860 --> 04:58:32,660
rec level, not select at the rec level, kids development through KWA or any of the other

3797
04:58:32,660 --> 04:58:37,240
sports up into the high school and whether the city is a part of that providing a mechanism

3798
04:58:37,240 --> 04:58:41,440
for that. So there's a lot of discussions that need to happen and I know the contracts are set

3799
04:58:41,440 --> 04:58:45,800
in this coming summer where if we're going to amend them we need to do that. So if parks and

3800
04:58:45,800 --> 04:58:50,120
rec takes us that's the charge I'd like to get them is to identify areas that are important

3801
04:58:50,120 --> 04:58:55,500
of the parents if we need a survey to put it out there quickly and any other issues that we may

3802
04:58:55,500 --> 04:59:01,880
have identified on the, I guess you call it our sports task force we did to me. But I, you

3803
04:59:01,880 --> 04:59:07,060
know, time is of the essence because this thing does move quickly and these kids only have so

3804
04:59:07,060 --> 04:59:12,340
many years at this level and those are some of the best memories of their life is the experiences

3805
04:59:12,340 --> 04:59:17,060
that we'll have out there. So I hope that made sense. No, I'm sorry, but yeah, good comments. Dr.

3806
04:59:17,060 --> 04:59:20,690
Thank you, Mr. Mayor.

3807
04:59:22,570 --> 04:59:23,550
I think a couple of things.

3808
04:59:24,130 --> 04:59:30,250
First, I'm, you know, it was very nice to be able to sit down and have kind of that joint meeting this this evening.

3809
04:59:30,510 --> 04:59:31,650
I think we learned a lot.

3810
04:59:32,350 --> 04:59:37,050
That we've learned a lot through the process of engaging with various stakeholder groups.

3811
04:59:38,450 --> 04:59:41,710
I would say that I, you know, to Councilman Wattley's point.

3812
04:59:42,230 --> 04:59:47,230
I mean, it's clear that Parks and Rec does want to have a role in this.

3813
04:59:47,770 --> 04:59:54,390
You know, I think, you know, to his point about words like accountability, you know, wanting to be empowered.

3814
04:59:55,790 --> 04:59:58,030
And I agree with count with the Mayor Protem.

3815
04:59:58,650 --> 04:59:59,970
I do think that we-

3816
05:00:00,000 --> 05:00:07,540
We probably do need to empower them to kind of play that role that I think they're hungry for, but I also understand

3817
05:00:07,540 --> 05:00:15,240
your concern, which is, you know, the, the, the timeliness part of it. And so the question is, you know, we have a very good

3818
05:00:15,240 --> 05:00:29,980
partner. They were a good partner during the development of the sports park. You know, we have the user

3819
05:00:29,980 --> 05:00:35,520
that opportunity. Having said that though, I also like the idea because when we did talk about

3820
05:00:35,520 --> 05:00:39,840
the sports authority in my mind and I'm glad that you said it, I always viewed it as this kind

3821
05:00:39,840 --> 05:00:45,320
of complimentary group. And I think as we begin to talk about what that group does, you know, there

3822
05:00:45,320 --> 05:00:52,020
were items at, you know, or topics such as, you know, it's maybe a group that could help with ideas

3823
05:00:52,020 --> 05:00:58,820
about maybe concessions or leveraging basically better leveraging the sports part to generate

3824
05:00:58,820 --> 05:01:04,700
potential revenue for the city, I think there was discussions about, you know, how you

3825
05:01:04,700 --> 05:01:10,100
captured greater user input. I think one of the, one of the folks on person wreck this

3826
05:01:10,100 --> 05:01:14,600
this evening said, you know, it would be great if we could have kind of the end user, the consumer

3827
05:01:14,600 --> 05:01:20,290
or provide information to person wreck to improve the product or or to council. And so,

3828
05:01:21,680 --> 05:01:26,960
not trying to make this overly academic, but I think there is a place for the sports authority.

3829
05:01:31,240 --> 05:01:42,260
I think we need to define what that is, and I think part of it is feedback, but maybe there's another role.

3830
05:01:42,740 --> 05:01:46,560
I just don't know what that is at this point, and I've been very clear from the beginning.

3831
05:01:46,760 --> 05:01:55,120
I like the idea, I'm in support of the idea, but I also know that we've got a group of folks who have worked diligently with the city that are very interested

3832
05:01:55,120 --> 05:01:58,640
and also engaging in being an active participant in this process?

3833
05:01:59,880 --> 05:02:01,200
Yeah, I think those are good comments.

3834
05:02:02,160 --> 05:02:08,740
The only open question, if anyone has solution,

3835
05:02:11,040 --> 05:02:14,420
is we didn't use the Parks and Recreation Board.

3836
05:02:15,120 --> 05:02:18,920
They were not the primary fact finder for the sports park.

3837
05:02:19,380 --> 05:02:21,220
It was the Keller Sports Authority.

3838
05:02:21,220 --> 05:02:29,120
And when we put at the Keller Sports Authority on the agenda, you know, it was a very, it was a, we viewed it at the time for right or wrong reasons.

3839
05:02:30,120 --> 05:02:35,620
We view it as the starting gate. It was literally just on the consent agenda and then we approved it.

3840
05:02:35,620 --> 05:02:43,520
And then we had robust discussions about how to improve the facility and allocated to this council's credit and and predecessors close to 50 million bucks.

3841
05:02:43,560 --> 05:02:46,880
And so I guess just to be clear from a factual perspective.

3842
05:02:46,880 --> 05:03:16,280
If the expectation of that group was the work in concert with the Parks and Recreation Board for sure because their input is very meaningful but I am like really concerned like what are going through boarding commission nominations and I'm looking at our current Parks and Recreation Board and I see big gaps in knowledge for like various sports that are important that I have gaps of knowledge on and I think we have a tremendous like I don't know how we make it additive without

3843
05:03:17,180 --> 05:03:19,680
circumventing the Parks and Recreation Board or at least that being the

3844
05:03:19,680 --> 05:03:24,840
perception. Because in my mind they would work harmoniously together and this group

3845
05:03:24,840 --> 05:03:31,750
of knowledge experts would help inform a group of volunteers. But I can tell you

3846
05:03:32,520 --> 05:03:37,140
bluntly that if we had tasked the Parks and Recreation Board with doing the sports

3847
05:03:37,140 --> 05:03:44,900
park work and the fact finding, it would have consumed an overwhelming amount of time.

3848
05:03:44,900 --> 05:03:49,340
And so what we had, we had representatives from the Parks and Recreation Board on that group.

3849
05:03:49,580 --> 05:03:50,820
That makes sense.

3850
05:03:51,440 --> 05:03:54,460
We didn't consume the whole board with that topic, because they were just frankly some

3851
05:03:54,460 --> 05:03:55,920
folks that didn't volunteer.

3852
05:03:56,320 --> 05:03:58,680
They're just as into park, trails, all that stuff.

3853
05:03:59,540 --> 05:04:03,780
So I don't know, hopefully if you stick around long enough on these groups, these councils

3854
05:04:03,780 --> 05:04:08,720
and stuff, you'll become the old person, but so I was kind of going back to five or six years

3855
05:04:08,720 --> 05:04:09,100
ago.

3856
05:04:09,560 --> 05:04:10,180
Councilman Armstrong.

3857
05:04:14,070 --> 05:04:17,690
The impression I got tonight from the Parks and Rec Board coming in and sitting

3858
05:04:17,690 --> 05:04:25,790
with us is similar to what I still have about this entire committee formation for the sports

3859
05:04:25,790 --> 05:04:26,290
authority.

3860
05:04:29,380 --> 05:04:33,500
I think we're circumventing their responsibilities. I know there's more to it than

3861
05:04:33,500 --> 05:04:40,580
just the vendors as y'all call it that are out there and I think everybody's had good points,

3862
05:04:40,800 --> 05:04:49,710
but I can't support establishing this sports authority when most of the people on the parks and

3863
05:04:49,710 --> 05:04:51,690
and I kind of had a deer in the head like

3864
05:04:53,740 --> 05:04:54,600
they're getting

3865
05:04:54,600 --> 05:04:58,100
blindsided by this and having some authority taken from them.

3866
05:04:58,900 --> 05:05:00,000
So that's my take on it.

3867
05:05:00,000 --> 05:05:02,200
I cannot support this.

3868
05:05:02,340 --> 05:05:14,580
Yeah. No problem. So, at the end of the day, if we're going to work with the Parks and Recreation, sorry, council, council law, I didn't, everyone else kind of spoke it. I'm going to.

3869
05:05:14,580 --> 05:05:22,920
Yeah. So, let's just kind of move past the sports authority for a second, but stay on topic. So, what's going to happen in my mind is they asked us for a very direct charge.

3870
05:05:22,920 --> 05:05:30,580
And so the charge will be generate, you know, the purpose of the sports authority in my mind was to be to generate

3871
05:05:30,580 --> 05:05:37,300
bold ideas on how to improve youth sports from Keller's perspective.

3872
05:05:37,900 --> 05:05:42,020
That includes a lot of factors retaining families from other associations.

3873
05:05:42,020 --> 05:05:48,740
Some of that work is already in progress, includes, you know, making sure we're addressing coaching,

3874
05:05:49,960 --> 05:05:52,440
practice locations, like all these things you hear.

3875
05:05:52,900 --> 05:05:55,140
So if we send that charge to them,

3876
05:05:55,600 --> 05:05:57,640
like, how would you, how do we do that?

3877
05:05:59,320 --> 05:06:02,500
Because I'm operating the assumption that we still all agree.

3878
05:06:02,980 --> 05:06:05,740
This is an important topic that we want to work on.

3879
05:06:08,020 --> 05:06:11,480
How would, how do we send them that charge?

3880
05:06:12,660 --> 05:06:12,840
Can I?

3881
05:06:13,300 --> 05:06:13,820
Yeah, maybe what time?

3882
05:06:13,940 --> 05:06:14,920
Sorry, I didn't know five to four.

3883
05:06:15,040 --> 05:06:15,680
Thank you, Mr. Mayor.

3884
05:06:16,080 --> 05:06:17,040
And that's a really good point.

3885
05:06:17,040 --> 05:06:23,680
And that's kind of what I was getting to as I was trying to speak as I think if I can only speak for myself.

3886
05:06:23,820 --> 05:06:32,260
I think if I would have done a better job in defining, you know, asking questions to define in specifically what this sports task force would do.

3887
05:06:32,320 --> 05:06:35,620
I think that would have been a good guideline if we were taking this route.

3888
05:06:36,120 --> 05:06:42,040
I know the items you spoke to, but one of the core things, the sports authority was to get feedback.

3889
05:06:42,040 --> 05:06:47,740
I think besides hearing from KiAA once a year, I think quarterly is good, but I also think

3890
05:06:47,740 --> 05:06:48,360
that's KiAA.

3891
05:06:48,800 --> 05:06:54,480
I think whether we require in the contracts that they now provide surveys to all the families

3892
05:06:54,480 --> 05:06:58,960
that participate with whatever questionnaire we create that Parks and Rec can create that

3893
05:06:58,960 --> 05:07:00,980
we approve to get specific feedback.

3894
05:07:01,580 --> 05:07:08,920
And then I think also to the charge of specific things we want to improve and of the holding

3895
05:07:08,920 --> 05:07:11,700
their coaches accountable for the issues that you were mentioning too.

3896
05:07:11,700 --> 05:07:15,780
I know they said that there was a mechanism in the contract, but obviously if those things

3897
05:07:15,780 --> 05:07:18,600
occurred and that wasn't executed, wasn't working correctly.

3898
05:07:19,160 --> 05:07:22,260
So I think maybe doing that, holding them to the letter of the contract.

3899
05:07:22,520 --> 05:07:27,880
But I think the key thing, Mr. Mayor, is between now and July, identifying three, four,

3900
05:07:27,880 --> 05:07:34,120
five things that specifically, what they've found from their meeting with QA, I think three

3901
05:07:34,120 --> 05:07:34,680
or four things.

3902
05:07:35,280 --> 05:07:40,140
But I think doing some type of survey and asking open-ended questions, maybe, if that's

3903
05:07:40,140 --> 05:07:44,660
doable in that large number and to identify things to that we can push.

3904
05:07:45,300 --> 05:07:46,540
I mean, we have a lot of expertise here.

3905
05:07:46,740 --> 05:07:49,300
I think you said you coached on through games this year alone.

3906
05:07:49,860 --> 05:07:53,180
But being specific and literally laying that out.

3907
05:07:54,300 --> 05:07:56,920
Because then we find, because there's twofold, it's not just doing that.

3908
05:07:57,040 --> 05:08:00,260
But it's finding out if they, like once we give them that specific charge,

3909
05:08:00,660 --> 05:08:02,260
that's when we find out if they're able to do it.

3910
05:08:02,420 --> 05:08:06,960
And also, if we end up creating sports authority say six months or now, it's too much,

3911
05:08:06,960 --> 05:08:15,200
then we know specifically a better charge for the sports authority as well. So it's kind of two birds one stone with me

3912
05:08:15,200 --> 05:08:18,060
Yeah, I don't care about six eggs your half dozen guys

3913
05:08:18,060 --> 05:08:24,060
I just want to see action and accountability and a for on alignment on that and I think mayor

3914
05:08:24,060 --> 05:08:28,340
Pro time here. I wasn't making the six eggs half dozen in relation to you

3915
05:08:28,340 --> 05:08:34,620
I'm just trying to tell you guys where I'm at like the we can't stand by any more like I we've spent so much time

3916
05:08:34,620 --> 05:08:37,460
So if I'm a Parks and Recreation Board member,

3917
05:08:37,460 --> 05:08:42,080
and I'm listening to this, we're gonna have to figure out a way.

3918
05:08:42,300 --> 05:08:47,000
I could personally spend about two hours and iterate a laundry list

3919
05:08:47,000 --> 05:08:49,920
of items that are very substantive and real and youth sports.

3920
05:08:50,260 --> 05:08:53,380
I don't think it's this council's job to get into that level of detail.

3921
05:08:53,460 --> 05:08:55,940
I think that would bog down this council and this discussion.

3922
05:08:56,660 --> 05:09:01,660
But I also want to make sure that I'm doing a good job working with you guys.

3923
05:09:01,660 --> 05:09:30,760
And so, you know, I guess my recommendation is going to be that we need to give our city staff the list of items that are important to us from a youth sports perspective from a programming perspective and then the process from there would be that city staff would aggregate that list and then the charge would be for the parks and recreation board to come up with ideas to solve those items.

3924
05:09:31,660 --> 05:09:37,060
To be really clear, one of the first items in Councilman Armstrong, I think you made a great comment

3925
05:09:37,880 --> 05:09:42,020
A couple months ago, I don't know if you remember I do, but Keller needs a bigger seat at the table

3926
05:09:42,020 --> 05:09:46,940
And I think that's gonna require some really heavy lifting from governance reform

3927
05:09:46,940 --> 05:09:51,840
And I'm not putting words in your mouth Councilman, but functionally how that'll work is right now

3928
05:09:51,840 --> 05:09:57,700
We have 11 members on KYA's board and I think one or two of them are residents

3929
05:09:58,540 --> 05:09:59,960
I'm not clear they just had a lecture

3930
05:10:00,000 --> 05:10:29,880
And then they have an updated website. And it's kind of hard to get in contact sometimes with folks who are all busy, but there will be substantive discussions that we're going to have to have. And so when we create this list, I'm going to be really clear in my own communication with our Parks and Recreation Board team that the old model of getting hung up on like a baseball fee issue for four or five months at a time. Like that model has to change.

3931
05:10:30,000 --> 05:10:35,600
like we've got to act with more urgency and that's what I've been about this entire time and so

3932
05:10:35,600 --> 05:10:39,690
if that's not an appropriate way to handle this from your perspective I need to know.

3933
05:10:40,980 --> 05:10:44,840
I'll reserve my concerns about you know overwhelming the parks and recreation board and all

3934
05:10:44,840 --> 05:10:50,620
on all that and I'm not going to bring up frivolous issues but here in a nice setting of meeting

3935
05:10:50,620 --> 05:10:57,400
with representatives from the Keller Soccer Association in it took was an hour and a half or two hours

3936
05:10:58,280 --> 05:11:03,020
just to talk about moving soccer one Saturday.

3937
05:11:04,600 --> 05:11:07,060
And the reason we needed to do that was for construction,

3938
05:11:07,860 --> 05:11:08,920
like it was black and white.

3939
05:11:09,340 --> 05:11:11,720
And so this scope of work is going to be large,

3940
05:11:12,780 --> 05:11:15,260
and I owe it to you, I owe it to our residents

3941
05:11:15,260 --> 05:11:17,380
to be really clear on that.

3942
05:11:17,520 --> 05:11:19,000
But from a process perspective,

3943
05:11:19,440 --> 05:11:21,540
it's the world of council to work directly

3944
05:11:21,540 --> 05:11:23,960
with the Parks and Recreation Board, Fantastic.

3945
05:11:23,960 --> 05:11:31,380
I'm so excited that they're going to get engaged and I mean that but that list that we send

3946
05:11:31,380 --> 05:11:37,800
to staff will probably have some volume and it's going to start with some really heavy items.

3947
05:11:38,540 --> 05:11:45,340
I don't think you're going to ever change the culture of use sports until you look closely

3948
05:11:45,340 --> 05:11:47,560
at the governing documents of those associations.

3949
05:11:48,180 --> 05:11:49,000
Does that make sense?

3950
05:11:51,620 --> 05:11:53,100
Did I say anything that ruffled feathers?

3951
05:11:56,580 --> 05:12:12,640
This is going to be a heavy amount of volume that we're all going to get and frankly, the sports authority was one idea on how to help protect the city, our parks and recreation board.

3952
05:12:13,660 --> 05:12:22,640
I am going to recommend, and I feel pretty strongly about this, I'll respect the idea of the parks and recreation board,

3953
05:12:23,600 --> 05:12:28,660
Diving much deeper into this subject area, which was already in their, their bailiwick.

3954
05:12:29,740 --> 05:12:45,000
But I do feel strongly that we, Councilman, frankly, I don't know if you said it, that we need to get some of these people who have very good subject matter expertise far beyond my own knowledge about sports that I know very little of.

3955
05:12:45,000 --> 05:12:51,900
And charge the Parks and Recreation Board with creating a sports authority within their team.

3956
05:12:52,220 --> 05:13:00,060
Because we have volunteers right now that are so excited and energized that this city council is willing to approach the subject.

3957
05:13:00,260 --> 05:13:04,460
There have been people that have been waiting on this for a decade, plus.

3958
05:13:05,080 --> 05:13:12,740
to see some action and so as part of that feedback and charge that we give the Parks and

3959
05:13:12,740 --> 05:13:17,660
Recreation Board, one of my very strong recommendations is going to be that they create

3960
05:13:17,660 --> 05:13:21,380
the sports authority and that we openly solicit names.

3961
05:13:22,160 --> 05:13:24,440
They can supervise it, that's fine.

3962
05:13:25,300 --> 05:13:29,080
But I think we need to allow people a conduit to get involved.

3963
05:13:29,340 --> 05:13:32,720
I think that's really important that we don't have the same group of people making the same

3964
05:13:32,720 --> 05:13:38,900
over and over. You know, I would say I'm one of 47,000. My kids are going to be fine, no matter

3965
05:13:38,900 --> 05:13:43,980
which way this goes. This isn't really a decision that impacts my family as much, but that's

3966
05:13:43,980 --> 05:13:49,160
my recommendation because I'm thinking about kids that maybe are being served today. And I know

3967
05:13:49,160 --> 05:13:50,100
you guys are too.

3968
05:13:53,240 --> 05:13:55,380
Yeah, Councilwoman Wolfe. Thank you, Schmer.

3969
05:14:01,300 --> 05:14:03,460
I agree to you. I think accountability

3970
05:14:03,460 --> 05:14:12,400
that he needs to be addressed with regards to the leagues and based on what we heard tonight.

3971
05:14:13,800 --> 05:14:17,900
I think Parks and Rec want to do it.

3972
05:14:18,620 --> 05:14:27,320
I don't think a new board would have any more authorities than we already give Parks and Rec.

3973
05:14:28,580 --> 05:14:36,080
They would have to act on whatever direction we give them, because they're still recommending

3974
05:14:36,080 --> 05:14:39,920
body regardless of what they're called.

3975
05:14:40,500 --> 05:14:42,980
So I think the Parks and Rec could do this.

3976
05:14:44,920 --> 05:14:54,840
I think we just need to give them clear marching orders, especially this concept of an adjudicated

3977
05:14:54,840 --> 05:14:58,740
board that Chairman Mira brought up.

3978
05:15:00,000 --> 05:15:06,220
I think could probably address some of the concerns that were raised in the meeting.

3979
05:15:08,200 --> 05:15:16,060
And I think the addition of a staff member on site whose sole purpose is to basically function

3980
05:15:16,060 --> 05:15:23,840
with regard to the sports park similarly like what Mike Bieber does at the point where he's the man in charge at that location

3981
05:15:23,840 --> 05:15:29,160
and he's the point of contact that people can reach out to if they are having concerns

3982
05:15:29,160 --> 05:15:34,740
if they want to bring to the light of the city.

3983
05:15:35,580 --> 05:15:39,000
I think that would be a big first step is filling that role

3984
05:15:39,000 --> 05:15:44,040
and getting somebody out there wearing a city of

3985
05:15:44,040 --> 05:15:46,440
color shirt for that matter.

3986
05:15:47,240 --> 05:15:54,840
So I think we're on track to meet the goals that you put

3987
05:15:54,840 --> 05:15:59,140
put forward, and so yeah, that's kind of my two cents on it.

3988
05:15:59,440 --> 05:16:01,200
All right, awesome things, Councilman Brennan.

3989
05:16:02,160 --> 05:16:05,180
All right, so just to continue to beat this dead horse a little bit more.

3990
05:16:06,040 --> 05:16:10,840
So what I'm thinking of is I think a lot of my fellow council members

3991
05:16:10,840 --> 05:16:15,840
probably agree, I think, from what I've heard, is that the role of this

3992
05:16:15,840 --> 05:16:20,460
additional board would be within the Keller Parks and Recreation Board.

3993
05:16:20,460 --> 05:16:23,900
if it means that we need to put more people.

3994
05:16:24,300 --> 05:16:26,120
If more people, if we need to say, okay,

3995
05:16:26,620 --> 05:16:29,720
we need to have three more people on Parks and Rec,

3996
05:16:30,300 --> 05:16:33,700
because the burden is so high that we don't think

3997
05:16:33,700 --> 05:16:35,180
that they could do it adequately.

3998
05:16:35,720 --> 05:16:38,140
And that's add more people to the Parks and Rec board.

3999
05:16:38,760 --> 05:16:39,760
That's one comment.

4000
05:16:40,020 --> 05:16:46,880
And in terms of their response time and what I perceive

4001
05:16:46,880 --> 05:16:51,320
is being hand-ringing and discussing things for too long with time.

4002
05:16:51,700 --> 05:16:53,420
Let's give them deliverables and deadlines.

4003
05:16:53,840 --> 05:17:00,740
That's hold them accountable to meeting whatever list we come up with, we give them

4004
05:17:00,740 --> 05:17:06,780
deadlines so that they have to come to us with what they suggest to fix that particular thing.

4005
05:17:07,340 --> 05:17:13,420
So I think all these things that we're talking about can be done within the purview of parks

4006
05:17:13,420 --> 05:17:19,540
wreck, even if it means adding some more people to Parks and Rec, if it looks like it's

4007
05:17:19,540 --> 05:17:24,340
not going to be handled adequately by the people that we have there now.

4008
05:17:24,760 --> 05:17:28,200
But it would still be under the purview of Parks and Rec, because that is their expertise.

4009
05:17:29,660 --> 05:17:36,840
My suggestion from a teacher, excuse me, a procedure perspective would be that we just basically

4010
05:17:36,840 --> 05:17:39,700
We use the task force model.

4011
05:17:40,160 --> 05:17:44,160
We have folks and we should advertise if people want to get involved.

4012
05:17:45,620 --> 05:17:48,900
We can have a list of folks, and this is what we do with the sports park task force.

4013
05:17:49,500 --> 05:17:51,620
Here's a list of people on this group.

4014
05:17:51,980 --> 05:17:55,860
For me, the biggest thing is making sure we have all the sports, like different sports

4015
05:17:55,860 --> 05:18:02,660
representatives, people that have subject matter expertise and volleyball, etc., but have

4016
05:18:02,660 --> 05:18:07,860
people work under the Parks and Recreation Board, I don't think we would add necessarily

4017
05:18:07,860 --> 05:18:12,700
people to the board, but it would be additive and that like I'm talking like formally

4018
05:18:12,700 --> 05:18:18,500
by ordinance. I think we will do for a subcommittee like that would be we would just say hey

4019
05:18:18,500 --> 05:18:25,100
here's folks who want to get involved and be part of this working group. And I think that from a

4020
05:18:25,100 --> 05:18:29,980
notice perspective because I'm thinking as much for Kelly right now as anyone. I think from a notice

4021
05:18:29,980 --> 05:18:33,620
perspective, they would just fold into existing parks and recreation board meetings.

4022
05:18:34,380 --> 05:18:35,480
Is that a great problem, Scully?

4023
05:18:36,220 --> 05:18:37,140
From an ordinance perspective?

4024
05:18:40,170 --> 05:18:41,490
I don't think so.

4025
05:18:43,290 --> 05:18:43,730
Mayor Proza?

4026
05:18:44,610 --> 05:18:44,670
Yeah.

4027
05:18:44,830 --> 05:18:45,410
I'm just going to be quick.

4028
05:18:45,690 --> 05:18:48,450
Like any, I think we're doing again what we've been doing.

4029
05:18:48,850 --> 05:18:52,950
I'd say like, if we're going to empower parks and rack, let's let them make decisions based

4030
05:18:52,950 --> 05:18:53,630
on facts.

4031
05:18:54,630 --> 05:18:57,830
Based on the charge, we give them if they need more people, then we'll have more people.

4032
05:18:57,830 --> 05:19:00,670
If we need more expertise, if they can't do it, that's fine.

4033
05:19:00,670 --> 05:19:03,150
And I think we just need to clarify what we want.

4034
05:19:03,290 --> 05:19:06,310
I think we should do that and we can find out pretty quickly.

4035
05:19:06,490 --> 05:19:09,650
I mean, if the facts, like if we're doing fact-finding,

4036
05:19:09,770 --> 05:19:12,590
we should listen to the facts, and the facts say we need more people great.

4037
05:19:14,190 --> 05:19:16,830
I'd just, you know, I'd like to see for two months.

4038
05:19:17,090 --> 05:19:18,330
They said we can handle it.

4039
05:19:18,330 --> 05:19:19,930
I don't want to create more red tape.

4040
05:19:20,610 --> 05:19:22,570
I think there's people out there that have a lot of expertise.

4041
05:19:23,370 --> 05:19:24,570
Let's just see how it goes.

4042
05:19:25,510 --> 05:19:25,930
I don't know.

4043
05:19:26,070 --> 05:19:30,170
I just don't, like I feel like we didn't define what the board did.

4044
05:19:30,170 --> 05:19:33,210
like and I'm a little bit mad at myself for doing that and then we're saying we're in

4045
05:19:33,210 --> 05:19:37,450
creative subcommittee but we still haven't defined what it's going to do and so we're doing

4046
05:19:37,450 --> 05:19:43,270
the same thing again but that I don't it's late I just think we're good yeah that

4047
05:19:43,270 --> 05:19:47,870
a lot of the semantics I think we have done a really good job like we're providing accountability

4048
05:19:47,870 --> 05:19:51,890
of the discussion and so maybe we haven't gotten to the level detail you're talking about but I

4049
05:19:51,890 --> 05:19:56,030
I think as a group we've done that, just the Council of Wattley.

4050
05:19:57,960 --> 05:19:59,360
Yes sir, thank you Mr. Mayor.

4051
05:20:00,760 --> 05:20:08,820
Stand. In an effort to try and be as expeditious as possible and follow the matters in session

4052
05:20:08,820 --> 05:20:29,740
to try and in city council by 9 PM, which we're quite sorry at this point. One example is the

4053
05:20:30,660 --> 05:20:50,160
If it's a motion to deny, does that mean for right now, we do not create the sports authority or a motion to approve which means we create the sports authority based on how it is structured in this order.

4054
05:20:52,040 --> 05:20:52,880
Correct.

4055
05:20:53,940 --> 05:20:57,640
Okay, and I see we have a motion by

4056
05:20:58,720 --> 05:20:59,520
a channel from there.

4057
05:20:59,560 --> 05:21:03,460
I'm sure I'm sure I'm sure I'll prove this

4058
05:21:03,460 --> 05:21:06,060
exposure to the cellular exposure to all of you.

4059
05:21:06,280 --> 05:21:06,840
Is that right?

4060
05:21:08,890 --> 05:21:11,550
Mike, can I, for the, to the point for this period of time,

4061
05:21:11,630 --> 05:21:13,190
I'm going to try to short-circuit it.

4062
05:21:13,470 --> 05:21:15,330
I think we take no action, okay?

4063
05:21:15,470 --> 05:21:16,990
I don't think we need to talk about,

4064
05:21:16,990 --> 05:21:19,250
like, we don't need to have a voter consult stand.

4065
05:21:19,510 --> 05:21:21,950
I think what we do, and this is kind of what Shannon was saying,

4066
05:21:22,510 --> 05:21:24,350
my recommendation, we just create a list

4067
05:21:24,350 --> 05:21:30,490
items as a team, as a city council, we send those to staff, and those items are to be addressed

4068
05:21:30,490 --> 05:21:34,830
as a list by the Parks and Recreation Board.

4069
05:21:36,070 --> 05:21:36,090
All right.

4070
05:21:36,090 --> 05:21:38,870
Our only job is to email, we don't need to take any action.

4071
05:21:39,250 --> 05:21:39,990
Is that reasonable?

4072
05:21:41,510 --> 05:21:41,710
No.

4073
05:21:42,050 --> 05:21:44,450
I think it would be to email.

4074
05:21:44,730 --> 05:21:47,950
Well, Michelle, we have to take some action on each file.

4075
05:21:48,290 --> 05:21:49,830
We don't.

4076
05:21:49,930 --> 05:21:50,110
Sam?

4077
05:21:55,420 --> 05:21:55,980
I'm sorry.

4078
05:21:56,420 --> 05:21:57,380
Do we have to change?

4079
05:21:57,380 --> 05:21:57,540
We have to change.

4080
05:21:57,540 --> 05:22:00,260
each fiber, can we go to our next item?

4081
05:22:00,360 --> 05:22:01,260
No, you don't have to.

4082
05:22:01,860 --> 05:22:02,200
Right.

4083
05:22:02,760 --> 05:22:04,440
So, we can just move on.

4084
05:22:04,700 --> 05:22:04,800
Yeah.

4085
05:22:04,940 --> 05:22:05,600
But you just.

4086
05:22:05,940 --> 05:22:06,300
Yes.

4087
05:22:07,000 --> 05:22:08,280
All right.

4088
05:22:09,160 --> 05:22:09,480
All right.

4089
05:22:09,900 --> 05:22:14,920
As long as we're comfortable with, you know, engaging in this discussion and sending

4090
05:22:14,920 --> 05:22:20,080
a list of items to staff, to work on, for Parks and Recreation Board to work on, that's the only

4091
05:22:20,080 --> 05:22:21,000
feedback I'm looking for.

4092
05:22:21,100 --> 05:22:22,980
Is everyone okay with that?

4093
05:22:23,300 --> 05:22:24,080
Providing feedback.

4094
05:22:24,080 --> 05:22:28,740
So that way we can give the parks and architect, parks and architect forward, our list of items.

4095
05:22:30,500 --> 05:22:30,980
Good.

4096
05:22:35,440 --> 05:22:36,060
Anything further?

4097
05:22:36,820 --> 05:22:38,120
I would like to, I'm sorry.

4098
05:22:38,160 --> 05:22:38,480
Yes, sir.

4099
05:22:38,500 --> 05:22:42,080
I don't want to bring this issue up every meeting.

4100
05:22:42,680 --> 05:22:44,020
We've table it once already.

4101
05:22:45,960 --> 05:22:51,380
My motion will be to deny if we go that route as it's reading tonight,

4102
05:22:52,120 --> 05:23:01,660
Because I feel like the Parks and Reg Department has been left out of the loop on the fact that they have not accomplished what this council has desired.

4103
05:23:03,240 --> 05:23:05,380
So, yeah, it won't be on future meetings.

4104
05:23:07,120 --> 05:23:09,520
Like in the next two months, I like the Mayor Pro Temps timeline.

4105
05:23:10,980 --> 05:23:15,680
And I agree with you. It's been on the agenda too much. I agree with your comments. Thank you.

4106
05:23:16,240 --> 05:23:29,880
Alright, unless there's anything else for the good of the order, our job is to send on this item, just to send Jordan and Aaron, our list of items, and then as a group, we agree that the Parks and Recreation Board is going to work on that list the best they can.

4107
05:23:30,840 --> 05:23:32,520
Clear? Jordan? Clear Aaron?

4108
05:23:32,640 --> 05:23:33,040
Yes sir.

4109
05:23:33,300 --> 05:23:38,200
Awesome. Alright, we're going to adjourn and move into, uh, exact.

4110
05:23:43,450 --> 05:23:49,150
They report even collect feedback and show updates that way, or if you so choose

4111
05:23:49,150 --> 05:23:53,210
there and this items you'd be on the next city council agenda, I'll just leave that

4112
05:23:53,210 --> 05:23:53,790
at your discretion.

4113
05:23:54,350 --> 05:23:56,050
So, from my perspective,

4114
05:23:58,690 --> 05:24:06,530
I think staff can go home, but for we'll need you for the first

4115
05:24:06,530 --> 05:24:08,550
economic development and sound discussion.

4116
05:24:08,550 --> 05:24:10,210
So wait, which ones Mr. Mayor?

4117
05:24:10,790 --> 05:24:16,630
I will not be here for any work any more work session items. I only have the appetite for the executive session items.

4118
05:24:16,950 --> 05:24:21,050
Oh, so if you guys want to go through that, that's fine with me.

4119
05:24:22,630 --> 05:24:26,250
What I'm telling you here is that for those work session items,

4120
05:24:26,630 --> 05:24:33,870
go out and need to tackle it by doing Thursday report or put it on a future meeting agenda.

4121
05:24:36,090 --> 05:24:41,870
If you don't mind repeating the numbers, so I have that, I think that is 2-3, 2-8, 2-8, yes sir.

4122
05:24:43,190 --> 05:24:46,790
Can I say something about the system of the ward, since that's happened in the Thursday?

4123
05:24:47,610 --> 05:24:48,550
Just to remind everyone.

4124
05:24:49,310 --> 05:24:50,910
Yeah, Thursday, 6-8-30, so up.

4125
05:24:51,490 --> 05:24:52,430
Yeah, show up either.

4126
05:24:52,990 --> 05:24:53,990
It'll be fun.

4127
05:24:54,590 --> 05:24:55,170
And it's stressful.

4128
05:24:55,410 --> 05:24:56,670
Yeah, stressful.

4129
05:24:57,870 --> 05:24:58,610
City-time.

4130
05:24:58,830 --> 05:24:59,950
The only one that we would need.

4131
05:25:00,050 --> 05:25:10,850
And it's a quick action of these six. That's it. Something you need to be taken care of by thinking you look for the overcompany project. So it really will be, I can do this in just two seconds.

4132
05:25:11,470 --> 05:25:21,070
So I'm going to be honest with you guys. I think we can just handle it by it. It's really good news about taking care of the U.S. 377.

4133
05:25:21,610 --> 05:25:27,170
But I think from a formal action, like the need is to prove a contract, to be that, for what's the point?

4134
05:25:27,310 --> 05:25:30,670
I'm sure everyone's comfortable with the letter, issuing a letter supports.

4135
05:25:30,930 --> 05:25:31,910
Everyone's comfortable with that?

4136
05:25:32,670 --> 05:25:33,470
I'm comfortable.

4137
05:25:34,310 --> 05:25:35,570
There we go. That's what we need to hear.

4138
05:25:36,130 --> 05:25:36,990
So we'll have this.

4139
05:25:38,150 --> 05:25:41,130
We'll have you, we'll draft the letter for you to draft.

4140
05:25:41,350 --> 05:25:43,330
We'll have you sign it, so we can get that in the time of the month.

4141
05:25:44,010 --> 05:25:44,030
Yeah.

4142
05:25:44,990 --> 05:25:49,810
I would like to exclude D4 on that for a better presentation that will under date.

4143
05:25:51,370 --> 05:25:52,250
What's that?

4144
05:25:53,110 --> 05:25:56,810
Yeah, I would be doubt you wouldn't that Aaron would find another agenda for it

4145
05:26:01,090 --> 05:26:07,530
I agree. Well, I think yes, he always should be in childhood. Oh, yeah, he would have to find out future agenda

4146
05:26:07,530 --> 05:26:11,770
And if you guys want to tackle tonight, welcome. I will be here.

4147
05:26:12,350 --> 05:26:18,610
What we're adding, I think that hometown heroes, I think we need to, it needs to be discussed.

4148
05:26:19,150 --> 05:26:21,870
Like, it shouldn't be just in a Thursday update. I think that's important.

4149
05:26:22,610 --> 05:26:24,030
What about it?

4150
05:26:24,030 --> 05:26:24,450
What's better?

4151
05:26:24,690 --> 05:26:25,290
It's a little more.

4152
05:26:25,850 --> 05:26:26,830
There was a number of items.

4153
05:26:27,330 --> 05:26:28,290
There was a number of items in terms of things.

4154
05:26:28,590 --> 05:26:28,790
Yeah, good.

4155
05:26:29,210 --> 05:26:30,590
And I'm just following that thing.

4156
05:26:31,470 --> 05:26:31,590
So, okay.

4157
05:26:32,130 --> 05:26:32,210
Yeah.

4158
05:26:32,210 --> 05:26:36,730
I appreciate this as being an item as being a veteran now.

4159
05:26:36,730 --> 05:26:41,910
I don't have a spectrum in the heart of the world, so I think even so when you just clarify

4160
05:26:41,910 --> 05:26:44,430
what we're discussing today, we're just moving to the next meeting.

4161
05:26:44,610 --> 05:26:48,330
Yeah, I have a bandwidth right now, so I'll take you to the next meeting.

4162
05:26:52,350 --> 05:26:58,570
So exactly what I said, deep to their DW through DA, you'll have to either collect you back

4163
05:26:58,570 --> 05:27:02,790
from other, share updates, excuse me, do that there's a report or put it on your teacher

4164
05:27:02,790 --> 05:27:03,210
at them.

4165
05:27:03,410 --> 05:27:04,170
Is there?

4166
05:27:04,330 --> 05:27:04,650
All right.

4167
05:27:09,470 --> 05:27:20,930
So there is an attachment here that's got information about the candidates specifically, so we can make a decision.

4168
05:27:28,450 --> 05:27:30,930
Yeah, we have some of the past, don't we call it?

4169
05:27:31,550 --> 05:27:32,310
I don't remember one.

4170
05:27:32,390 --> 05:27:33,190
A long time ago.

4171
05:27:33,410 --> 05:27:34,030
We did.

4172
05:27:35,290 --> 05:27:35,930
It was a while ago.

4173
05:27:35,950 --> 05:27:37,090
I won't be voting on it.

4174
05:27:37,830 --> 05:27:38,230
We...

4175
05:27:38,230 --> 05:27:39,050
It doesn't matter to me.

4176
05:27:42,150 --> 05:27:47,390
I get the email that I get to fashion, but if you guys want to act on it, you should.

4177
05:27:50,050 --> 05:27:52,050
You can allow him out to read the data,

4178
05:27:52,150 --> 05:27:53,530
out locating our future agenda,

4179
05:27:54,190 --> 05:27:56,390
the next meeting is election day.

4180
05:27:56,950 --> 05:28:02,170
Do you do anyone have any concerns about having a meeting on

4181
05:28:02,170 --> 05:28:03,030
the midterm elections?

4182
05:28:03,790 --> 05:28:04,450
We should do.

4183
05:28:04,690 --> 05:28:06,170
Yeah, we should be the best.

4184
05:28:07,070 --> 05:28:07,290
Usually.

4185
05:28:08,490 --> 05:28:09,910
But those things are all built.

4186
05:28:09,990 --> 05:28:11,910
Those things are all taken today.

4187
05:28:12,170 --> 05:28:13,770
They didn't have those things on that.

4188
05:28:14,870 --> 05:28:15,090
Yeah.

4189
05:28:15,930 --> 05:28:16,130
Yeah.

4190
05:28:16,910 --> 05:28:19,110
So Aaron's comment from

4191
05:28:19,110 --> 05:28:26,990
I'll work with you on next meeting agenda in terms of making sure we have the ability to get to actually get to town hall.

4192
05:28:28,230 --> 05:28:28,710
Okay.

4193
05:28:29,350 --> 05:28:29,610
All right.

4194
05:28:29,910 --> 05:28:36,210
Anything any other comments about that or can almost all our staff go on?

4195
05:28:36,210 --> 05:28:36,350
Good night.

4196
05:28:36,730 --> 05:28:37,570
Good night.

4197
05:28:37,570 --> 05:28:37,910
Good night.

4198
05:28:38,050 --> 05:28:39,470
All right.

4199
05:28:39,510 --> 05:28:40,270
Thanks for your work.

4200
05:28:40,570 --> 05:28:42,490
We're in exactly under the provisions side right earlier.

4201
05:28:42,630 --> 05:28:44,050
Do you need me to read on?

4202
05:28:44,450 --> 05:28:44,590
No.

4203
05:29:32,750 --> 05:29:43,550
Okay, we're back from executive session. We do have one kind of administrative action to be taken and I believe there's a motion.

4204
05:29:44,410 --> 05:29:47,370
I'm about to recognize from Mayor Proton.

4205
05:29:48,730 --> 05:29:52,730
Thank you, Mr. Mayor. It's been a long day. A lot of work's been put into this.

4206
05:29:52,970 --> 05:29:58,790
With that, I'd like to make a motion to authorize the city manager to negotiate an execute settlement agreements between

4207
05:29:58,790 --> 05:29:59,910
and among the parties.

4208
05:30:14,100 --> 05:30:22,520
All right, so we have a motion in a second. Is there any further discussion?

4209
05:30:25,820 --> 05:30:32,160
Okay. Just for anyone that might be tuning in, I'll just a briefly state. This is kind of a, uh, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a,

4210
05:30:32,160 --> 05:30:38,960
for the City Council to take to keep discussions on going from my perspective with the parties

4211
05:30:38,960 --> 05:30:45,160
involved in the lawsuit. As soon as there's any official update to be had, we'll of course

4212
05:30:45,160 --> 05:30:52,080
share that update timely and transparently with our residents. With that, let's take a vote.

4213
05:30:59,640 --> 05:31:03,780
Passes to 7-0, Sorcerity Manager is going to keep the City Council up to date as appropriate.

4214
05:31:04,680 --> 05:31:07,760
Unless there's any further questions or comments I'm going to go in the meeting.

4215
05:31:07,760 --> 05:31:09,800
Seeing none, we're adjourned.