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Good afternoon. I'd like to call this meeting to order.

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I'd like to acknowledge that we are gathered today on

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the traditional ancestral territory of the Selix Okanagan people. This

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meeting is open to the public and all representation to

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council foreign part of a public record and a live

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audio video feed is being broadcasted and recorded on colonna.

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ca. Council, I am looking for a mover in a

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secondary from the minutes from our June 1st, 2026 meeting,

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moved by Councillor Hodge, seconded by Councillor Singh. Any errors

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and emissions in those minute meetings. Seeing none all in

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favor, thank you, Citi Clerk, please. Thank you, your worship.

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Item 3. 1 on the agenda is Council Reconsideration for

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Refusal of a Business License located at 9 - 11

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Bernard Avenue. Before I go to business license staff, I

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will go to councillors to heart and lovegrove for some

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statements. Thank you, worship. I just wanted to make it

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clear that I have excused myself from this item before

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because of short - term rental. But this is a

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business license, and I have voted on that before. So

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business license different than short - term rental, so I

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will be staying for this item. Thank you, councillor. In

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your show. Thank you, your worship exactly the same case

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in my case. This is not a short - term

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rental. I'll be staying in the room, thank you. Thank

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you. Thank you. Pardon me, thank you. Worship with that.

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We will turn it to staff for a presentation. Good

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afternoon. Good afternoon, your worship. We are here today to

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hear a request for a reconsideration of the refusal to

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grant business license application number 4099899 for an accommodation services

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major business license for an apartment at 9 - 11

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Bernard. Under the community charter, staff has the authority to

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grant refuse suspend or cancel a business license. In 2022,

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it was identified that the property was divided into seven

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separate living units, each with its own kitchen, and there

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are no building permit records on file for those units

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or kitchens. The business license application was refused as insufficient

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information has been provided to the city that the existing

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use or proposed use of the property complies with the

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applicable zoning and building requirements for apartment housing. Additionally, the

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property has not been demonstrated to meet BC building code,

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requirements for apartment housing, and additional review permitting and inspections

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may be required. In accordance with the business license and

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regulation bylaw, compliance with all applicable bylaws, policies and enactments

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would be a condition of the business license. Additionally, the

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bylaw authorizes the license inspector to refuse to issue a

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business license where the applicant does not comply with the

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bylaw license conditions or where the applicant intends to operate

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a business in a premises or building that does not

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comply with city bylaws or other enactments of provincial, federal,

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or other governmental authorities. There is a documented history of

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noncompliance with zoning, building, and business licensing requirements at the

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subject property. Before a business license may be issued, the

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property must comply with all applicable city bylaws and government

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regulations. This includes those governing zoning and building requirements related

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to the proposed business use. Despite ongoing efforts by staff

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to clearly identify the compliance issues and outline possible paths

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forward, the property owner has not provided evidence that they

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have taken steps to bring the property into compliance and

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continue to operate a short - term rental business without

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a business license, contrary to city bylaws. Also of note,

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an accommodation services major apartment business license is intended for

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a long - term rental use in a multi -

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unit rental building and is not the appropriate license type

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for the current short - term rental accommodation use operating

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on the property. In conclusion, staff recommend that council uphold

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the decision of the license inspector to refuse to grant

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the accommodation services major business license for an apartment on

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the subject property. As insufficient information has been provided to

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confirm the existing or proposed use of the property complies

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with zoning and building requirements for apartment housing. And the

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property has not been demonstrated to meet BC building code

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requirements for apartment housing, and additional review permitting and or

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inspections may be required. And that concludes my comments. Thank

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you. Thank you. You worship the applicant or the applicant's

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agent now has the opportunity to address counsel. You have

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up to 15 minutes to speak, and I ask that

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you pleads begin by stating your name and address, and

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you can come up to the public podium here on

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your right.

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Thank you, sir. Just one moment if I may, please,

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we're just going to make certain your mics on and

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also make certain that this is a full screen. We

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just have, if we can. Uh, staff are going to

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help you with that. A bit. Bigger.

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With. The uptip. Okay. Thank you.

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Thank you. Please proceed. You worship members, a council and

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city clerk. Thank you. My name is Denice. Actually held

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a brand. I am the owner of 911 Bernard Avenue.

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I am the applicant. On business license number 4099899. Accommodation

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services. Major apartment. A stabbed copy. Of a formal legal

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demand notice was hand delivered to the business licensing department

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and to the divisional director Ryan Smith this morning. I

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am now reading into the public record to provide final

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statutory notice before exhausting my immunoscipal remedies. I just want

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to note that the slides that are most relevant to

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my three - minute, hopefully, uh, oral submissions are the

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18th slide. Which. Would be. Over.

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I can't seem to get past 16. But I guess

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I won't have to worry about that. That notice is

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addressed to Sarah Cowker business licensing manager as the officer

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whose ministerial duty to issue this license is directly engaged.

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To Ryan Smith as the divisional director who appointed the

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denial and to this council as the governing body. This

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council is the final administrative step under section 60 subsection

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five of the community charter. After this vote, there is

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no further administrative remedy. And there's three points I need

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counsel to here. Point one. This council has already voted

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yes to this use. Twice. On December 8, 2025, this

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council adopted by a law number 12848 rezoning this property

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to TS1. Section 13. 3 of that bylawless apartment housing

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as a permitted principal use at this property. No footnote,

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no subzone, no conditions. The province approved it. January 23rd,

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2026. And I applied 18 days later. Before

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that. On July 22nd, 2024. City staff committed before this

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council to work in with me toward apartment housing compliance.

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This council voted unanimously on the basis of that commitment.

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This council is not being asked to make a new

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decision today. It is being asked to implement the decision

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it has already made. Point number two. This is the

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root, the city asked me to take. On July 18,

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20, 23 Dean Straken, MCIP RPP signed a city of

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Kelowna compliance agreement stating. And I'll quote. The city recognises

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the seven apartment units on the subject property as legally

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non - conforming. And. The owner is to apply for

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a business license for a seven unit apartment building on

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the subject property." End quote. I did exactly what the

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city directored. I applied. The city collected the fee. Sarah

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Crocker, denied it. In certified proceedings before this council on

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July 22nd. 2024, Dean Stracken stated on the record, and

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I'll quote. Those kitchens have been reviewed. They have been

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deemed to be safe. It was offered to the applicant

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to have it converted to the seven unit apartment building.

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And we've accepted that as a reasonable sort of alternative.

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The city directed this path. The city, accepted this outcome.

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I followed their direction that denial has no lawful basis.

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Point three. This property is fully compliant right now. On

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July 14, 2025, city fire inspector candidance freezing classified this

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property as residential apartment units. Class C Apartment buildings.

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With every safety item. The denial signed by Sarah

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Crocker identifies no safety deficiency. No building code violation.

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No inspection finding. No law for ground for refusing by

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right use. The property does not need to become compliant.

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It already is. Closing. Section 60 para section subsection.

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One clause A of the community charter states a business

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license application must not be unreasonably. Refused. Refusing a by

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- right use with no lawful ground identified is unreasonable

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by definition. If this council upholds the denial today, the

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section 60 subsection 5 remedy is fully exhausted. I will

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have to file a petition for a writ of mendingus

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in BC Supreme Court without further noticed the city. I

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ask this council to do what it has already voted

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to do. Grant business license application number 4099899. Thank you,

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your worship. If there's no questions and I'm just going

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to go home. Thank you. Worship. This would be the

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opportunity for a council to ask questions of staff followed

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by questions of the applicant. Council, if we can, I'm

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going to ask of staff first. Is there any questions

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of staff? Councillor Stack, please. Thank you, worship. Uh, I

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would like staff just to respond to the applicants mentioning

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that there's no legal reason. That he should not be

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receiving this because he has completely compliant. And I would

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like to hear staff respond to that. It is of

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the opinion of staff that the property is not compliant.

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There was seven units and kitchens added. There was no

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permits on file for those kitchens. Um, the use of

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the property is currently for short - term rental, which

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is not a permitted principal use in the zone. It

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is not the opinion of staff that the property is

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compliant. Councillor Singh, please. Thank you, Worshiped. I also heard

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staff say it's not compliant with the BC building code.

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And I also heard the applicants say, no, there are

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no BC building code violations. So, um, what is he

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quoting and what is he using to substantiate his argument.

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I can't speak directly to that. Um, what I can

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say is that the property was found to have additional

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kitchens in it. There is no permit record for converting

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what was a rooming boarding and lodging home into an

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apartment building. So the staff does not have records on

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file that show that the property is compliant with BC

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building code. And staff have not been inside the property

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to conduct and appropriate inspection to determine what code requirements

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are actually necessary. Okay. Thank you. Thank you. Um, Mr.

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Smith, please. I believe what the applicant was referring to

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was the, um, records of fire inspection. So when the

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fire department, um, inspects a property like this, they will

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go in and they've got, they're not inspecting against BC

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building code. They're inspecting against fire code. So that's a

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totally separate classification. And so even in their system, um,

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the subset of boarding house, which this property, um, would

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have been considered would probably fall under the apartment housing.

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Um, sort of subset there. So we haven't, it hasn't

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been permitted that way. It's just, um, how it fits

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into, um, inspection records. And again, their inspection is not

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doing a BC building code inspection. It is only doing

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a fire code inspection. So the, the use going into

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this property, I could describe it a little bit, uh,

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when we permitted, uh, connog and spirits and burned avenue.

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Brewery, distillery was a permitted use is a permitted use

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in that downtown commercial zone. But for them to occupy

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that space, they needed a building permit to comply with

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BC building code to ensure that space was safe. And

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in the process of that, um, they couldn't actually make

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the space compliant with BC building code for that type

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of use. So they had to alter what they actually

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were doing in the distillery. Um, in order to fit

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the distillery business and their operations, um, into the building

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code classification. So, um, probably that's a high hazard building

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code use, um, would be over and above this, um,

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similar situation where all staff are trying to do in

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this, in this instance isn't sure that, uh, the use

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intended, um, fits with BC building code. Thank you, Councillor

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Wolwood, please. Thanks for worship and thanks Mr. Smith for

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that. Sorry, my back is to you. Um, just so

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I'm understanding this. And I do have a question for

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the applicant as well. Um, so the, the applicant did

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read out a number of statements from a former staff

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member in regards to kitchens being compliant and legal nonconforming.

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Is that relating to the fire code then? I'm just

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trying to like follow the bouncing ball on this one

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and what that would have related to. You worship the

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document contemplated a pathway towards compliance so that conditions associated

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with that pathway. We're not fulfilled. And the city never

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confirmed acceptance of that by the applicant. And so if

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the applicant had said, I would like to pursue that

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as part of, um, the associated processes, they would have

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needed to get their business license. They would have needed

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to make a building permit application and still deal with

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the same issues that we're talking about today. But we'd

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recommend it at that time, but that was the pathway

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towards compliance that we could take. And again, staff remain

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open to working towards that pathway. Um, and scheduling inspections

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if the propertyner would like to schedule inspections. Okay. So

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just so I'm clear, um, no building permit application was

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ever made to the city. I'll pass that back to

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the advice and sing inspector. Okay. There was no, there

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have been a series of building permits made over the

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course of years, but there was no building permit made

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to convert the property from aborting and lodging home to

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an apartment building. And there are not permits for all

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of those kitchens that are in that building. So the

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kitchens are the name point that haven't been properly. And

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that it's been divided into multiple units. Thank you. So

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just a question to staff with regards to it. So

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since the kitchens were built, um, and put in there,

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but the permit for them. There has been no inspection

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with regards to how they were built the wiring and

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all the rest of those particular items. Is that correct?

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Thank you. Yes, the no inspections on any of the

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units. Besides the kitchens, there's also additional level of life

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safety for an apartment building such as fire separations, exits,

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um, heating and ventilation that has not been inspected for

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an apartment building. Can I ask one other question with

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regards to it? And something like that with the building,

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is there also sprinkling that sprinkle systems that sprinkler systems

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that have to be done from a fire standpoint? I

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mean, I understand that the other things we're not inspected.

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I just, I'm uncertain of that answer. Not all apartment

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housing small apartment housing requires sprinklers. We'd have to have

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a further investigation on the full building. We haven't been

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in the building for a series of time. So we'd

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have to see what's actually there. And if it requires

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sprinkling. So that would be one of the things, one

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of the boxes that you would need to tick in

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order to kind of come in to compliance. Would that

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be correct? We'd have to do a full review of

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the building to see that they have fire separated exit

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corridors, fire separations between suites, proper ventilation, travel distances, all

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of the above for BC building rule. And none of

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this is different than what you would do on another

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inspection. This is all just processes and protocols that you

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would go through more or less standard procedures? Yes. Yes.

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For any apartment building, it would be the same requirements

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of BC building code. Thank you. Um, council, do we

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have, I see no further questions of staff. Do we

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have questions for the applicant. Councillor Cannon, please, for the

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applicant police, sir, if you could stand back up. Thank

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you. Thank you for your presentation. Did have a opportunity

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to tour your facility in your units. Just wanted to

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clarify why you haven't made an application. To the city

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as requested. So staff could actually come in and inspect

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the presence and make sure that everything's safe for your

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guest. Okay. Just to clarify the question is why didn't

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I apply to have a safety inspection. Oh, apply for

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a building permit. Why didn't I have an open building

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permit for outdoor work? There are several occupancy permits. I

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have to respectfully disagree with the licensing department because the

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licensing department is not the building department and there's 21

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building permits in that list that I emailed you guys

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or should have. And in that those occupancy permits, they

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list specifically the locations of the suites listed as a

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suite. So it's not that I haven't applied. I need

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to say that the staff says the licensing staff says

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the life safety, the proper ventilation, the trial distances, those

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were all check marked by Mrs. Freeze and Candice freezing

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the check marks, making sure the hallways, the proper checks

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have been done by fire pro or the people that

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I've hired to do those things. It's not that those

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departments have been there. And in 2010, when I first

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bought the place, there was the fire department. There was

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the gas. There was the building departments. Nothing has changed

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since Dean Stratch and said that the city recognises the

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seven apartments units on the property as legally non -

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conforming in relation to the city bylaws. And city bylaws

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include the building. They also include health and safety. And

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they include parking. You name it city bylaws in relation

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to all the city bylaws. If I'm in trouble with

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any aspect of that building, including the variances or whatever,

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it's going to be a city bylaw. And nothing has

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happened since this statement. And it's not like the city

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staff, especially the planning, because the planning isn't in charge

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of denying my license. This has to do with the

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building being safe and the licensing department. Licensing department has

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to have a valid reason for denying it. It can't

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just be like, we prefer to have a bigger apartment

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there. Somebody pulls me over for doing 450 zone. Well,

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the officer could ask why you're doing that speed. Well,

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I prefer to do 45, but you can't ticket me

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for doing 45 under the speed limit. Just because I

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have only seven units in the city would like to

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have 30 units. Doesn't mean that the planning department vetos,

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the licensing department says, no, it's not safe. It's all

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vague. You need to be reasonable. Before you deny a

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license. And that's why I'm so sure that this is

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not going to stand in court. I don't want to

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go there. You guys already put me through this. I

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just follow directions. I want. Now I finally have the

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zoning, which just makes it compliant. I had zoning that

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made it compliant in 2010 when I bought it place.

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I had apartment housing. I had rooming lodging. Private nursing,

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which I used to do nursing. And in 2019, I

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had short - term rental as a secondary use. Not

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talking about any of that secondary use now. I'm just

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talking about my apartment housing, which is now zoned TS1

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with by right use. I couldn't do that. Before February.

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Thank you. Thank you. Councillor Worch. Thanks to worship. Um,

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and thanks for being here. Um, you've gone through a

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few different things. Um, I understand zoning and land use.

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Um, which council had approved. So understand that the use

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of this land could be considered, um, but what's that

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issue here is the form. And so can you tell

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me when exactly did you have city staff come through

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to do a building inspection and did it pass. Absolutely.

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And I just want to repeat that question. So I'm

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getting it right. So you're asking me is when city

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staff, when did a building inspector come through and approve

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the building that it meets BC building code? Absolutely. I

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can answer that question. That happened the day before the

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issuance of the rooming lodging business license. That was in

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about June 18 2010. I missed the schedule. I had

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to reschedule Debbie from the licensing said, Hey, we need

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to reschedule that Mr. Hildebrandt will be there half an

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hour sooner. I came there. I didn't have the keys.

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So I had all the keys all stopped. I'm not

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interested in 2010. I'm interested in 2020. I'm reading the

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laundry list of time here in 2023. When did you

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bring it to component? Okay, that was the very first

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time that compliance, the last was on July 25th, 2025

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when Mrs. Cadden's freezing went in there and looked through

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the entire building once again. And went through the checklist

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100 percent certified for the apartment Cyr. Thank you. Tight.

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Uh, Councillor Hart, do you have a question? Yes. Thank

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you. I just want to ask. There are no permits

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for kitchens. Wrong. Okay, am I wrong? There's tons of

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them. There's 21 of them. That's the lie that they're

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telling you. The city, sir. Yes. You want me to

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do not. I will not put up with that. I'm

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just telling you they're not being honest. I will not

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put that tone. You can, you can discuss it with

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us, but I will not put up with that tone

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with regards to what you're saying about the city, please.

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You can deal with your case, but it ends up

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being not in that tone. Thank you. Do you care

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to answer the question just directly, but not stating anything

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with regards to any accusations against city individuals. Yeah, I'll

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do my best. Okay. Staff have said that all the

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kitchens you put in, there are no permits for kitchens.

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That you have put in to all those units. So

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can you provide a permit. For all those kitchens. Okay.

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So I just got to repeat that question. And I'm

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sorry for my tone. I want to fix that up.

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The question that I heard, uh, councillor was. Do I

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have permits for the kitchens that are in there. And

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the answer is yes. And I need to say that

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I did not put those kitchens in. Those kitchens were

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inspected. Before I came there. The BC assessment shows apartment

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housing, rooming house. And seven individual units. It's a multifamily

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building. It's not a single family building. It's a multifamily

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building. And yes, I did ask the city clerk to

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email you guys the 21 permits with about four or

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five occupancy permits for suites. And those occupancy permits have

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not been revoked. So those are all there. Thank you.

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I can definitely provide them too personal if you want

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and we don't have to make a decision today. Thank

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you, sir. Appreciate that. Appreciate your time. Thank you. Um,

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council seeing no further questions. Um, city clerk, if I

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can, just kind of read through the recommendation one more

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time to me, please. Thank you, worship. So the staff

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recommendation is that council upholds the decision of the license

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inspector to refuse to grant and accommodation services major business

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license for an apartment on the subject property located at

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911 Bernard Ave. Thank you, council. Do I have a

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mover. Move by Councillor Singh, seconded by Council World? Do

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we have comments? Comments, councillor sing comments. Thank you, worship.

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You know, I have visited the site. And this morning

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drove by, uh, to take another look at it. It

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is a perfect location for what the applicant is wanting

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to do. But it's simple. It's not compliant. We just

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cannot approve something if he doesn't comply with the regulations.

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It's simple. Um, we would be wrong. If we, um,

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if we approve this, and he's not playing by the

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rules. I'm not comfortable that people living there would be

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in a safe situation. I'm just not comfortable with that.

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And, um, so because of all this. All I'm asking

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for is the applicant to comply with the regulations and

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work with staff to get. The best possible outcome. We're

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not being unreasonable. I cannot support it at this, uh,

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thank you, councillor. Councillor Walwich, please. Thanks for worship. Um,

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a compliance agreement was issued in 2023 with a laundry

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list of items that could have been completed. And whether

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permits have been opened or not is irrelevant to me.

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The zoning allows the use. But the form has not

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been approved from a life safety perspective. That is my

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number one concern. And those, those standards are in place

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for a reason with BC building code. And, um, you

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know, this has taken an immense amount of staff time.

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Which by the way, I take exception to implying that

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our staff are lying. Um, I'm fully prepared to uphold

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what's before us today. This is a life safety issue.

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And it's something that we have to take really seriously.

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The zoning allows it. And if, um, if the applicant

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wants to come into compliance, three years ago, that was

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an option. So I'm, I'm steadfast in supporting the recommendation

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before us. Thank you. Uh, council after that all in

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favor. Opposed carried. Thank you and to staff. Thank you

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for the work that you have done on this. We

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hope that there is a successful pathway found to come

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into compliance. Um, and, uh, apologies on behalf of any

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comments that drogatory comments that were made towards you. They

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are not something that should be said. And they are

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not correct. So thank you. Thank you, worship. That brings

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us to item 4. 1 on the agenda. We have

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initial consideration and first reading for an application to amend

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the future land use designation and rezone a property on

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Montenegro drive. And here to present to staff from the

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development planning department. Good afternoon, Jamie.

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Good afternoon, your worship. Today council's being asked to give

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initial consideration to an official community plan and zoning by

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law amendment. To facilitate a six lot subdivision. The application

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was submitted to staff on May 20th, 2025. Neighbourhood notification

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was received on March 25th of this year. No responses

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were received. Pending consideration today, the application will be forward

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to public hearing. The subject property is located within the

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cursioner mountain neighbourhood and is bisected by Montenegro Drive. The

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proposed OCP and zoning amendments only apply to these two

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small portions within the northern section off Montenegro drive. While

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the southern portion will remain its current state. Kirshner Mountain

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neighbourhood park. Directly at Butts, the Eastern boundary of the

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southern portion that will once again remain in its current

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state. Model City Data indicates approximately 363 residential units.

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Across 268 parcels within 400 metres of the subject property.

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Suggesting the surrounding area is predominantly comprised of single detached

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dwellings on individual lots, which is consistent with the proposed

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development. Here is closer look at the subject property. The

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building envelopes were graded during the earlier subdivision stages. And

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the six proposed lots extend the existing pattern of development.

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The future land use as nation of the subject property.

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And the majority of the surrounding area is the S

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res, suburban residential, which is highlighted in yellow. Kirshner mountain

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neighbourhood park designated us park as shown as dark green.

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Areas designated as natural areas. Are shown in light green.

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The proposed OCP amendment seeks to redesnate a portion of

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natural areas to SRES, suburban residential, to align with a

473
00:33:20,524 --> 00:33:26,676
more suitable RU - 1 large lot housing zone. We

474
00:33:26,676 --> 00:33:29,876
propose OCP amendment is illustrate here as overlapping the existing

475
00:33:29,897 --> 00:33:34,367
natural areas, future land use destination. This remnant area does

476
00:33:34,388 --> 00:33:38,447
not meet the city's criteria for park dedication as the

477
00:33:38,487 --> 00:33:44,542
parcel is constrained, has limited functionality. And would provide minimal

478
00:33:44,563 --> 00:33:50,701
public benefit while introducing ongoing maintenance requirements. As part of

479
00:33:50,701 --> 00:33:54,701
the broader subdivision, a more suitable parkland education area will

480
00:33:54,701 --> 00:33:57,421
be provided through the transfer lands to the city to

481
00:33:57,442 --> 00:34:03,931
support linear parks network and trail connectivity. The current zoning

482
00:34:03,931 --> 00:34:07,291
of the subject properties comprise of RU1, large lot housing.

483
00:34:07,989 --> 00:34:16,715
MF2 townhouse housing, and P3 parks in open space. The

484
00:34:16,715 --> 00:34:19,355
proposed zoning amendment is intend to align the proposed development

485
00:34:19,456 --> 00:34:22,155
with the surrounding neighbourhood by maintain the same type of

486
00:34:22,416 --> 00:34:25,995
built form and log configuration through the proposed six slot

487
00:34:26,176 --> 00:34:31,663
subdivision. DRE1 large slot housing zone permits up to four

488
00:34:31,684 --> 00:34:37,103
dwelling units. However, concurrent applications proposed a single family residence

489
00:34:37,444 --> 00:34:40,703
on each slot due to cite constraints such as deep

490
00:34:40,804 --> 00:34:46,245
slopes and narrow lock configuration. The proposed amendments would facilitate

491
00:34:46,346 --> 00:34:48,645
development that would match the surrounding area in terms of

492
00:34:48,826 --> 00:34:55,356
height and stories. The OCP and zoning amendment proposals show

493
00:34:55,377 --> 00:34:59,196
strong alignment with climate resiliency objectives as the subject property

494
00:34:59,236 --> 00:35:02,316
is adjacent to cursioner mountain neighbourhood park. And we'll include

495
00:35:02,417 --> 00:35:05,036
an additional park area to be dedicated through the subdivision

496
00:35:05,057 --> 00:35:09,949
process. Black mountain elementary school is a tenement by right

497
00:35:09,949 --> 00:35:13,109
away. And the site is serviced by the number 14

498
00:35:13,210 --> 00:35:16,069
bus, which provides an eight minute trip to Rutland Urban

499
00:35:16,109 --> 00:35:23,312
Centre. The proposal amendments support policy 7. 2. 1 ground

500
00:35:23,352 --> 00:35:26,432
- oriented housing by facilitating the development of single ground

501
00:35:26,693 --> 00:35:30,192
- oriented dwellings located in close proximity to black mountain

502
00:35:30,232 --> 00:35:35,572
elementary school and parks. This also aligns with policy 7.

503
00:35:35,673 --> 00:35:39,732
2. 2 hillside house informed by ensuring that future residential

504
00:35:39,913 --> 00:35:45,012
development reflects the natural topography and minimizes disturbance to the

505
00:35:45,113 --> 00:35:50,270
sensitive rear slopes. As well as policy 7. 2. 3.

506
00:35:51,231 --> 00:35:54,090
As it encourages the integration of natural parks with natural

507
00:35:54,191 --> 00:36:03,072
areas. Therefore, given the alignment with the OCP policies, staff

508
00:36:03,072 --> 00:36:06,318
recommend support for the OCP and zoning amendments. And that

509
00:36:06,318 --> 00:36:10,129
concludes my presentation, your worship. Jamie, thank you. Uh, councillor

510
00:36:10,390 --> 00:36:15,163
Weber, please. Yes, just to understand, um, the natural area

511
00:36:15,984 --> 00:36:18,843
designation that he showed in the slide. It looks like

512
00:36:18,883 --> 00:36:21,723
the new houses, as you said, will be built along

513
00:36:21,824 --> 00:36:26,043
Montenegro drive, right? And then behind it, there is a

514
00:36:26,083 --> 00:36:28,603
section there that's called natural. And it doesn't sound like

515
00:36:28,624 --> 00:36:31,003
there's any plan, like that slide there. It doesn't sound

516
00:36:31,043 --> 00:36:36,783
like the plan to build on that green strip. Thank

517
00:36:36,783 --> 00:36:40,143
you, worship. That is correct. So that will be portion

518
00:36:40,324 --> 00:36:42,703
that will be dedicated through the city, and that will

519
00:36:42,703 --> 00:36:46,683
remain within the linear trail corridor to connect it. And

520
00:36:46,683 --> 00:36:50,624
it will be also retained as a covenant. So there'd

521
00:36:50,624 --> 00:36:52,624
still be a fair amount of space between the houses

522
00:36:52,664 --> 00:36:55,984
on Montenegro and then whatever houses are above that on

523
00:36:55,984 --> 00:36:58,144
the neighbouring streets. There'd still be that, it wouldn't be

524
00:36:58,144 --> 00:36:59,584
a park, you said, but it would be a natural

525
00:36:59,685 --> 00:37:04,413
area. Thank you, worship. That is correct. It'll remain as

526
00:37:04,834 --> 00:37:07,373
a kind of a more natural feature with a linear

527
00:37:07,634 --> 00:37:12,813
cord or a trail network. Okay. Thank you. Thank you.

528
00:37:12,853 --> 00:37:15,853
Um, Councillor Cannon, questions? Yeah, just to clarify, this will

529
00:37:15,853 --> 00:37:18,173
be coming to a public hearing. So I was wondering,

530
00:37:18,173 --> 00:37:21,133
staff, or was there any sort of pro formated based

531
00:37:21,133 --> 00:37:23,773
on what the present zoning, how many units would be

532
00:37:23,773 --> 00:37:26,893
permitted to the six being proposed? That basically looks like

533
00:37:26,893 --> 00:37:31,813
the applicant's down zoning his own property, from correct? I

534
00:37:31,834 --> 00:37:35,493
think you worship. Sorry, just to understand, are you asking

535
00:37:35,594 --> 00:37:39,093
how many units there'll be proposed through the subdivision? No,

536
00:37:39,093 --> 00:37:42,613
potentially with the existing zone. Thank you, Rorschap. So technically

537
00:37:42,874 --> 00:37:45,013
within the RU - 1, they will be allowed up

538
00:37:45,034 --> 00:37:48,933
to four units. However, the concurrent applications that have been

539
00:37:49,034 --> 00:37:53,653
received show only a single family dwelling within each lot

540
00:37:54,234 --> 00:37:57,893
due to high constraints of these deep rear slopes and

541
00:37:57,893 --> 00:38:02,053
the lock configuration air lock configurations. The OCP would support

542
00:38:02,234 --> 00:38:10,709
townhomes. Um, if the applicant wanted to retain the MF2,

543
00:38:10,709 --> 00:38:13,429
but currently rewinding to rezone the MF2 to align with

544
00:38:13,469 --> 00:38:15,349
the RU - 1. That's what I was referring to

545
00:38:15,450 --> 00:38:18,549
how many units could they get into MF2? Oh, sorry.

546
00:38:18,570 --> 00:38:21,829
My apologies, your worship. Um, within the MF2, they could

547
00:38:21,829 --> 00:38:26,740
get six. Thank you. Seeing no further questions, do I

548
00:38:26,740 --> 00:38:28,980
have a mover please move by Councillor Stock, seconded by

549
00:38:29,001 --> 00:38:33,307
Councillor to heart. No further comments, all in favor. Carried,

550
00:38:33,307 --> 00:38:37,335
thank you. And your worship, are two bylaws associated with

551
00:38:37,356 --> 00:38:40,535
this item. So item 4. 2 is to give first

552
00:38:40,575 --> 00:38:44,135
reading to the official community plan amending bylaw for the

553
00:38:44,175 --> 00:38:47,175
subject property. That is moved by Councillor Cannon, seconded by

554
00:38:47,215 --> 00:38:50,815
Councillor D. Hart. That by the number 12, 924, be

555
00:38:50,815 --> 00:38:52,855
read a first time. And that the bylaw has been

556
00:38:52,895 --> 00:38:56,055
considered in conjunction with the city's financial plan and waste

557
00:38:56,055 --> 00:39:00,698
management plan. All in favor. Opposed. Carried, thank you. And

558
00:39:00,799 --> 00:39:03,898
item 4. 3 is the corresponding zoning bylaw. This is

559
00:39:03,999 --> 00:39:06,218
Teresa owned to the RU - 1 large lot housing

560
00:39:06,258 --> 00:39:09,338
zone. That is moved by Councillor Dehart, seconded by Councillor

561
00:39:09,439 --> 00:39:12,698
Cannon that bylaw number 12, 925, be read a first

562
00:39:12,738 --> 00:39:17,854
time. All in favor. Opposed, Carrie, thank you. Thank you.

563
00:39:17,854 --> 00:39:19,374
Your wiship and those will be scheduled to the July

564
00:39:19,635 --> 00:39:22,974
14th public hearing. Thank you. That brings us to item

565
00:39:23,075 --> 00:39:26,494
4. 4. This is initial consideration for a rezoning application

566
00:39:26,534 --> 00:39:29,614
on Glenmore Road. Here to present is staff from development

567
00:39:29,654 --> 00:39:36,214
planning. Good afternoon, Carson. Hello, your worship. Good afternoon. The

568
00:39:36,254 --> 00:39:40,054
purpose of this application is to seek initial consideration. To

569
00:39:40,054 --> 00:39:42,294
rezone the subject property from the MF - 1 infill

570
00:39:42,334 --> 00:39:46,854
housing zone, to the MF2 townhouse housing zone facilitate a

571
00:39:46,894 --> 00:39:51,915
future development. The application was submitted to staff on March

572
00:39:51,936 --> 00:39:56,145
20th of this year. Neighbourhood notification was received May 13th

573
00:39:56,185 --> 00:40:01,045
of 2026. With 25 responses received. Today we are seeking

574
00:40:01,146 --> 00:40:06,471
initial consideration. This is the subject property located on Glamour

575
00:40:06,572 --> 00:40:10,032
Road, as indicated by the red boundary. The neighbourhood provides

576
00:40:10,133 --> 00:40:13,792
a mix of infill and townhouse housing zoning and is

577
00:40:13,792 --> 00:40:16,912
located in close proximity to the village centre along Kaynor.

578
00:40:20,526 --> 00:40:26,774
Here's the subject property without zoning. Using Model City Data,

579
00:40:26,774 --> 00:40:29,334
we can determine that there is an estimated population of

580
00:40:30,075 --> 00:40:35,437
1060 peoples. With 689 estimated jobs within a 400 metre

581
00:40:35,477 --> 00:40:44,178
buffer. Future land use is core area neighbourhood. Here's a

582
00:40:44,218 --> 00:40:46,658
closer look at the property. There's an existing dwelling on

583
00:40:46,698 --> 00:40:50,171
site facing Glennmore Road. Glenmore Road is designated as a

584
00:40:50,192 --> 00:40:53,371
transit supportive corridor, which supports building heights up to six

585
00:40:53,371 --> 00:40:57,291
stories. Vehicle access to site is provided via McTavish Road.

586
00:40:57,816 --> 00:41:00,342
And there is a multi - use pathway adjacent. To

587
00:41:00,382 --> 00:41:06,545
the southeast of the property. Here's some street perspectives. First

588
00:41:06,566 --> 00:41:09,876
is from Glenmore Road. The second provides view from the

589
00:41:09,977 --> 00:41:12,833
north side of McTavish Road. Which is currently a dead

590
00:41:12,833 --> 00:41:19,841
end. The applicant is proposing to rezone to the MF2

591
00:41:19,942 --> 00:41:22,561
zone, which provides a zone for townhouses up to three

592
00:41:22,601 --> 00:41:25,259
stories on service urban lots. Which is the same height

593
00:41:25,360 --> 00:41:31,226
permitted in the current MF1 zoning. The maximum density is

594
00:41:31,407 --> 00:41:34,990
a floor area ratio of 1. 0. A maximum height

595
00:41:35,030 --> 00:41:38,995
of three stories. And a maximum site coverage of 55

596
00:41:39,035 --> 00:41:45,570
percent. Subject property meets criteria for climate resilience. It is

597
00:41:45,610 --> 00:41:47,730
less than a 10 minute walk to retail and restaurants

598
00:41:47,831 --> 00:41:50,340
in the Glenmore Village Centre. A five minute walk to

599
00:41:50,361 --> 00:41:53,300
park, such as brands Creek Linear Park and Baloo Park.

600
00:41:53,914 --> 00:41:56,533
And a 10 minute walk to either Watson Road Elementary,

601
00:41:56,533 --> 00:42:02,364
where Dr. Knox Middle School. The proposed rezoning meets several

602
00:42:02,404 --> 00:42:06,524
OCP policies for the core area, including policy 5. 3.

603
00:42:06,545 --> 00:42:10,204
1, which supports larger infill projects near Community amenities, such

604
00:42:10,204 --> 00:42:15,675
as Parks and Schools. And policy 5. 11. 1, which

605
00:42:15,675 --> 00:42:17,835
ensures the diverse mix of low and medium density housing.

606
00:42:19,297 --> 00:42:23,116
As well as policy 5. 2. 2, which encourages building

607
00:42:23,116 --> 00:42:25,676
heights of up to six stories and query neighbourhoods along

608
00:42:25,697 --> 00:42:33,806
transit supportive corridors. Staff recommends support for the proposed rezoning

609
00:42:33,806 --> 00:42:37,886
application. As the future land uses coryary neighbourhood, it means

610
00:42:37,886 --> 00:42:41,478
several OCP policies. Is located along a transit supportive corridor.

611
00:42:42,808 --> 00:42:45,347
And a development permit would follow to consider housing design.

612
00:42:46,168 --> 00:42:50,707
That concludes my presentation membership. Thank you. Um, questions. Councillor

613
00:42:50,728 --> 00:42:54,147
Stock, please. Thank you. Thank you for the presentation. Yeah,

614
00:42:54,187 --> 00:42:56,707
could you go back to the subject property map with

615
00:42:56,747 --> 00:43:02,221
the aerial view of the site, please? This one, thank

616
00:43:02,221 --> 00:43:04,941
you. So I see McTavish Road comes to a dead

617
00:43:04,981 --> 00:43:08,461
end and then it appears McTavish picks up again. So

618
00:43:08,562 --> 00:43:13,581
in this, um, development process, uh, is there a road

619
00:43:13,621 --> 00:43:17,727
dedication and a completion of Mctavus Road. You worship. Uh,

620
00:43:17,848 --> 00:43:20,707
road design and any road dedications would be attributed at

621
00:43:20,728 --> 00:43:26,858
development permit. At this time, nothing, uh, spoken from the

622
00:43:26,858 --> 00:43:31,335
engineering department regarding a dedication. The intent would be a

623
00:43:31,436 --> 00:43:35,135
hammerhead currently, uh, at the centre of the property, as

624
00:43:35,135 --> 00:43:37,095
opposed to just extending the natural flow of the road.

625
00:43:38,180 --> 00:43:40,719
Yeah, it'd be addressed that development permit and not at

626
00:43:40,719 --> 00:43:46,475
rezoning. Okay. It has a substantial impact on design. So

627
00:43:46,616 --> 00:43:48,435
I think it's been held for that. That's what I'm

628
00:43:48,435 --> 00:43:51,555
thinking of from a zoning perspective. It's not on typical

629
00:43:51,555 --> 00:43:54,575
to consider the road network when we're zoning something. And

630
00:43:54,575 --> 00:43:57,075
I'm surprised that there's no discussion regarding the road network.

631
00:43:58,137 --> 00:44:03,956
Mr. Smith, please. You worship. As Glenn Moore is a

632
00:44:03,996 --> 00:44:08,356
major arterial. We do seek to limit the number of

633
00:44:08,697 --> 00:44:12,356
accesses onto those types of roads. And that's why we

634
00:44:12,396 --> 00:44:15,856
wouldn't be looking at that, um, through this application. And

635
00:44:15,856 --> 00:44:20,676
rather than that. Um, keep the hammerhead situation. Um, like,

636
00:44:20,777 --> 00:44:24,576
like, uh, Carson was referring to in his comments. Uh,

637
00:44:24,777 --> 00:44:27,716
the generally we try and by policy again, like, take,

638
00:44:27,716 --> 00:44:30,036
take the driveways off of those and the access is

639
00:44:30,036 --> 00:44:32,996
off and keep them at more major intersections that are

640
00:44:33,017 --> 00:44:37,306
lighted. Thank you. One supplemental question then. But if McTavish

641
00:44:37,327 --> 00:44:40,106
Road was extended through, would not all the properties have

642
00:44:40,207 --> 00:44:44,176
access off McTavish roed. Uh, you were not need to

643
00:44:44,357 --> 00:44:46,736
have the access off Glenmore. Yeah. You worship. I mean,

644
00:44:47,077 --> 00:44:50,256
it could go to Glenmer. It could go right through.

645
00:44:50,256 --> 00:44:54,496
But again, um, that adds traffic in another neighbourhood. And,

646
00:44:54,496 --> 00:44:56,896
uh, that's another from our staff perspective. It wasn't something

647
00:44:56,936 --> 00:44:59,536
that we thought from a performance perspective was a big

648
00:44:59,536 --> 00:45:01,815
enough benefit to justify. Or we would have asked for

649
00:45:01,815 --> 00:45:08,931
it. Thank you. Councillor Singh, please questions. Yes. Thank you.

650
00:45:09,592 --> 00:45:14,931
Along the same lines, her staff actually, um, you know

651
00:45:14,971 --> 00:45:19,091
of McDavish. It's a pretty narrow road to, um, provide

652
00:45:19,432 --> 00:45:24,451
access to 22 units or so that are being proposed

653
00:45:24,872 --> 00:45:30,541
for the site. How comfortable a staff with the, um.

654
00:45:32,780 --> 00:45:39,479
Path, the road network, as Luke said, to this project.

655
00:45:41,012 --> 00:45:44,911
Uh, yes, Jership. The number quoted, the 22 is just

656
00:45:44,932 --> 00:45:48,351
a part of a conceptual design. And it's not addressed

657
00:45:48,391 --> 00:45:51,071
today, but it'd be addressed at development permit. That number

658
00:45:51,071 --> 00:45:54,431
could shrink considerably depending on factors, uh, associated to the

659
00:45:54,471 --> 00:45:58,431
development permit. Currently, uh, everybody would be directed to access

660
00:45:59,092 --> 00:46:04,995
and leave via McTavish Road at this time. Sorry, can

661
00:46:04,995 --> 00:46:08,275
you repeat the last line, sorry? Uh, the intent would

662
00:46:08,275 --> 00:46:11,795
be accessed via McTavish Road to site. Um, on the

663
00:46:11,835 --> 00:46:15,835
Glenmore side, there is a corridor, a trail there. So

664
00:46:15,835 --> 00:46:18,515
I assume that wouldn't be the main exit off site.

665
00:46:21,150 --> 00:46:25,531
Thank you. Councillor Love Growth, please. Yeah. I was going

666
00:46:25,531 --> 00:46:27,611
to say anything because Councillor Stack actually asked my question,

667
00:46:27,611 --> 00:46:29,771
but those, those are pretty short cul - de -

668
00:46:29,771 --> 00:46:33,211
sacs. Um, so, but I just eyeballing it. So are

669
00:46:33,251 --> 00:46:36,091
we talking less than 200 metres? I think so. It's

670
00:46:36,091 --> 00:46:39,931
fairly short approximately 200 metres from that. And the alternate,

671
00:46:39,931 --> 00:46:41,931
even without the hammer, if you had to back up,

672
00:46:41,931 --> 00:46:44,571
but the hammerhead gives me comfort. Um, I was looking

673
00:46:44,672 --> 00:46:47,051
for a dedication as well, just like you, but actually

674
00:46:47,051 --> 00:46:49,771
looking at it from a little higher distance. I think,

675
00:46:49,771 --> 00:46:53,024
I think, uh, I think that'll work. Thank you. And

676
00:46:53,525 --> 00:46:56,224
it's staff had mentioned that's a phase which is coming

677
00:46:56,264 --> 00:47:00,224
up. So, um, so with that said, do I have

678
00:47:00,485 --> 00:47:03,584
a mover of this motion? Please move by Councillor Weber.

679
00:47:03,584 --> 00:47:08,064
Second advice councillor. Lovegrove, uh, comments. Councillor Stack, you have

680
00:47:08,064 --> 00:47:11,984
comments. Yes, thank you. I appreciate staff's comments on this.

681
00:47:11,984 --> 00:47:15,504
However, just from my years on council, I mean, one

682
00:47:15,544 --> 00:47:17,104
of the main things we've always tried to do is

683
00:47:17,144 --> 00:47:21,104
have road connectivity whenever we could when there's a dead

684
00:47:21,125 --> 00:47:23,504
end road with a lot. And then another part of

685
00:47:23,504 --> 00:47:26,224
the road that's dead ended. To me, it makes good

686
00:47:26,245 --> 00:47:31,184
planning sense to connect those roads. Um, for access for

687
00:47:31,205 --> 00:47:33,664
emergency for all the other services why we want our

688
00:47:33,685 --> 00:47:36,864
road network connected. So I'm really puzzled on this one.

689
00:47:36,864 --> 00:47:39,024
Why there would be no road connection through what looks

690
00:47:39,024 --> 00:47:42,624
like already and established road other than perhaps the development

691
00:47:42,624 --> 00:47:46,464
team doesn't want to build the road and lose the,

692
00:47:46,464 --> 00:47:48,304
we're at the additional cost to extend it. But to

693
00:47:48,304 --> 00:47:52,464
me, it seems, I'll be very concerned when it comes

694
00:47:52,464 --> 00:47:54,704
to DP, whether I'll support that because it just doesn't

695
00:47:54,744 --> 00:47:57,024
seem to make sense to me. I guess I'll need

696
00:47:57,024 --> 00:48:00,384
a lot more defence or argument why we should not

697
00:48:00,485 --> 00:48:04,784
connect our road system. Thank you, councillor. Seeing no further

698
00:48:04,784 --> 00:48:10,947
comments. All in favor. Opposed. Councillor Singh and Councillor Stack

699
00:48:11,288 --> 00:48:19,245
opposed. Thank you. Thank you, worship. Item 4. 5 is

700
00:48:19,346 --> 00:48:23,565
supplemental report. This follows notice of motion. Pardon me, notice

701
00:48:23,586 --> 00:48:25,805
of first reading being given for a site - specific

702
00:48:25,986 --> 00:48:29,805
text amending bylaw. And three, rezoning bylaws. Uh, we have

703
00:48:29,845 --> 00:48:33,765
not received any correspondence on any of those items. If

704
00:48:33,765 --> 00:48:35,725
there is no questions from council, I'll move straight to

705
00:48:35,725 --> 00:48:40,045
the bylaw. Council, do we have any questions? Councillor Cannon,

706
00:48:40,045 --> 00:48:42,193
questions on one of. I would rather separate the first

707
00:48:42,193 --> 00:48:44,913
one out. Thanks. I'm sorry. I'd rather separate the first

708
00:48:44,913 --> 00:48:48,913
one. The first. I'm a favor of the two of

709
00:48:48,913 --> 00:48:51,873
them. Okay. So, um, city clerk, please, if we could

710
00:48:51,873 --> 00:48:54,673
just pull the first one out of the other two.

711
00:48:54,673 --> 00:49:00,113
Yep. So Haldane Road will be considered, uh, separately as

712
00:49:00,113 --> 00:49:03,153
that is to give first, second, and third readings and

713
00:49:03,193 --> 00:49:08,113
to adopt, just to clarification here, uh, the agenda indicates

714
00:49:08,153 --> 00:49:10,753
that it's only for first, second, and third readings. There

715
00:49:10,753 --> 00:49:12,513
are no conditions on it. So it can actually be

716
00:49:12,553 --> 00:49:15,953
given all readings and be adopted today. So council will

717
00:49:15,953 --> 00:49:18,753
consider, uh, that item only right now. So this is

718
00:49:18,793 --> 00:49:22,593
item 4. 6. 1 haldane road. And this is a

719
00:49:22,854 --> 00:49:26,893
text amending bylaw for the I3 heavy industrial zone. And

720
00:49:26,934 --> 00:49:29,953
that is moved by Councillor Canon and seconded by councillor

721
00:49:29,974 --> 00:49:34,193
dehart that by the number 12, 923 be read a

722
00:49:34,233 --> 00:49:36,913
first, second, and third time and be adopted. All in

723
00:49:36,953 --> 00:49:42,589
favor, posed, carried. Thank you. Thank you, worship. Um, and

724
00:49:42,629 --> 00:49:45,389
then if counsel has no objections, we would consider the

725
00:49:45,429 --> 00:49:51,229
items under 4. 7 together. Council, anyone, your worship I

726
00:49:51,229 --> 00:49:53,549
was looking at for. Councillor Cannon, which item are you

727
00:49:53,549 --> 00:49:56,829
speaking of? Lawson Avenue. Loss. Okay. Okay. So, uh, thank

728
00:49:56,869 --> 00:50:01,629
you, council. We will then deal with item 4. 7.

729
00:50:01,669 --> 00:50:05,709
1 on its own. So this is the rezoning application

730
00:50:05,730 --> 00:50:11,261
for 727 747, loss in avenue. This is Teresa on

731
00:50:11,261 --> 00:50:14,621
the subject property to the TS1R transit supportive corridor rental

732
00:50:14,642 --> 00:50:18,141
only zone. Uh, and so this is to give first,

733
00:50:18,141 --> 00:50:22,061
second, and third readings to the rezoning bylaw, uh, by

734
00:50:22,101 --> 00:50:25,421
the number 12, 915. And I'll need a mover in

735
00:50:25,421 --> 00:50:28,541
secondary worship. Moved by council. Well, we're seconded by Councillor

736
00:50:28,722 --> 00:50:35,336
Hodge. All in favor. Opposed. Councillor Cannon opposed their Weber

737
00:50:35,376 --> 00:50:39,558
opposed also. Thank you. We will deal with, uh, items

738
00:50:39,579 --> 00:50:44,998
4. 7 and two and 4. 7. 3 together then.

739
00:50:44,998 --> 00:50:47,558
Uh, so this is to give first, second, and third

740
00:50:47,579 --> 00:50:51,078
readings to the rezoning bylaws on Harvey Avenue and on

741
00:50:51,259 --> 00:50:54,998
Appaloosa Road. And that is Moved My Councillor Dehart. Second

742
00:50:54,998 --> 00:50:58,358
and by Councillor Cannon. That bylaw number is 12, 918

743
00:50:58,539 --> 00:51:01,878
and 12, 922. We read a first, second, and third

744
00:51:01,918 --> 00:51:05,930
time. All in favor. Opposed, Carried, thank you. Thank you,

745
00:51:05,930 --> 00:51:09,690
worship. Uh, that brings us to item 4. 8 on

746
00:51:09,730 --> 00:51:13,210
the agenda. This is to amend a bylaw third reading

747
00:51:13,551 --> 00:51:15,770
and adopt it before we go to that item. I'll

748
00:51:15,770 --> 00:51:18,170
go to Councillor Canon for a statement for this and

749
00:51:18,191 --> 00:51:21,538
item 4. 9. Councillor Cannon, please. Thank you, worship. And

750
00:51:21,538 --> 00:51:25,718
thanks Madam Klurk. Family have owned property two doors down.

751
00:51:25,718 --> 00:51:29,558
So excuse myself the DP application as well as rezoning

752
00:51:29,598 --> 00:51:30,918
things. Thank you.

753
00:51:41,266 --> 00:51:45,325
Thank you. So, uh, dealing with item 4. 8. This

754
00:51:45,325 --> 00:51:49,865
is the, uh, rezoning bylaw for the subject property, uh,

755
00:51:49,986 --> 00:51:54,205
on crossroad. And so this is moved by councillor singed

756
00:51:54,245 --> 00:51:57,565
by councillor D heart that by then number 12, 617

757
00:51:57,826 --> 00:52:01,405
be amended at third reading, uh, by replacing the underlying

758
00:52:01,426 --> 00:52:06,300
zone to MF1 in fill housing. And, uh, I'll need

759
00:52:06,300 --> 00:52:10,460
a vote on that. Do you have it moved? Yep.

760
00:52:10,500 --> 00:52:13,020
Moved by councillors singing by councillor D heart. So this

761
00:52:13,060 --> 00:52:15,100
is just to amend the bylat third reading and then

762
00:52:15,100 --> 00:52:19,248
we'll deal with adoption. Thank you. All in favor. Opposed.

763
00:52:19,248 --> 00:52:21,808
Carried. Thank you. Thank you, worship. And then, uh, moved

764
00:52:21,829 --> 00:52:26,048
by councillor singed by councillor dehart. That bylaw number 12,

765
00:52:26,709 --> 00:52:31,889
617 as amended be adopted. All in favor. Opposed carried.

766
00:52:31,889 --> 00:52:34,609
Thank you. Thank you. That deals with the bylaw under

767
00:52:34,710 --> 00:52:38,129
item 4. 8 and brings us to item 4. 9,

768
00:52:38,129 --> 00:52:41,009
where we have consideration for a foreman character development permit

769
00:52:41,049 --> 00:52:44,209
for the same property on crossroad. And here to present

770
00:52:44,249 --> 00:52:49,102
to staff from development planning. Good afternoon. Thank you, worship.

771
00:52:51,046 --> 00:52:53,585
This afternoon we are here for councils consideration of a

772
00:52:53,585 --> 00:52:55,745
development permit for the form of character of a town

773
00:52:55,766 --> 00:53:00,690
host development. The rezoning and development permanent applications were submitted

774
00:53:00,730 --> 00:53:03,890
to the city on March 1st of 2023. The file

775
00:53:03,911 --> 00:53:07,730
went for initial consideration on February 5th, 2024. The file

776
00:53:07,770 --> 00:53:11,330
received reading considerations on February 26th. And today we are

777
00:53:11,370 --> 00:53:14,690
here for the final reading of MF2 Zone and council

778
00:53:14,730 --> 00:53:17,570
consideration of a DP. And if approved, the file can

779
00:53:17,570 --> 00:53:19,970
move to the billing permit stage. As shown on the

780
00:53:19,970 --> 00:53:24,450
development process slide, the application exceeded the average development timeline.

781
00:53:24,450 --> 00:53:27,090
This is primarily due to the applicant's preference to proceed

782
00:53:27,271 --> 00:53:31,530
without variances, uh, which resulted in several site redesigns, as

783
00:53:31,530 --> 00:53:34,530
well as following rezoning the applicant as for more time

784
00:53:34,631 --> 00:53:43,007
to secure appropriate financing. The subject property is in close

785
00:53:43,188 --> 00:53:47,636
proximity to North Glenmore elementary, Dr. Knox Middle School. Across

786
00:53:47,657 --> 00:53:52,887
Glencross Park and the Glenmore Recreation Corridor. Uh, the surrounded

787
00:53:52,927 --> 00:53:56,407
area is a mix of MF1 in fill housing. MF2

788
00:53:56,428 --> 00:54:01,367
townhouse housing MF3 apartment housing. P2 education and minor institutional

789
00:54:01,628 --> 00:54:04,087
and P3 parks in open space. So mix of zones.

790
00:54:05,456 --> 00:54:09,435
The hosey knees break down. Uh, indicates that there are

791
00:54:09,435 --> 00:54:12,555
the need for three bedroom units. So this bedroom mixed

792
00:54:12,555 --> 00:54:15,913
will assist in meeting those targets. Here's a look at

793
00:54:16,094 --> 00:54:19,673
the subject property on the corner of crossroad and snow

794
00:54:19,694 --> 00:54:23,433
cell road. Uh, they're currently two properties. And they'll be

795
00:54:23,433 --> 00:54:25,673
required to be consolidated prior to the issuance of the

796
00:54:25,694 --> 00:54:31,663
development permit. Here's some neighbourhood context seeing the existing dwelling

797
00:54:31,663 --> 00:54:34,463
on the corner of Snowstone cross as well as an

798
00:54:34,463 --> 00:54:36,863
aerial image showing the existing property in this rounded neighbourhood.

799
00:54:38,102 --> 00:54:42,221
Uh, the development permit proposes 18 three bedroom units, all

800
00:54:42,221 --> 00:54:45,521
three stories. Uh, the units all have two parking stalls

801
00:54:45,702 --> 00:54:48,401
as well as three visitor cells, which exceeds the minimum

802
00:54:48,502 --> 00:54:51,521
required parking. There are also 10 large trees across the

803
00:54:51,561 --> 00:54:55,967
property. Here's a closer look at the, uh, at the,

804
00:54:55,967 --> 00:54:59,647
um, site plan showing the four main blocks with main

805
00:54:59,748 --> 00:55:03,327
vehicle access off of snow cell street and all units

806
00:55:03,367 --> 00:55:05,967
are ground oriented with seven of the units facing the

807
00:55:05,967 --> 00:55:10,767
streets. Amendy spaces include private amenity, a private patio is

808
00:55:10,788 --> 00:55:13,327
in the second third floor in rooftop as well as

809
00:55:13,428 --> 00:55:17,727
common amniedady spaces programmed with green space, uh, into locations

810
00:55:17,828 --> 00:55:21,118
at the centre of the site. Here is the, one

811
00:55:21,158 --> 00:55:24,158
of the buildings, billing one facing north. As well as

812
00:55:24,179 --> 00:55:29,278
facing south, building four years of the one facing crossroad.

813
00:55:29,278 --> 00:55:32,345
And then the internal circulation joined the garage doors. Uh,

814
00:55:32,385 --> 00:55:34,905
the materials that are used include a mix of white

815
00:55:35,566 --> 00:55:39,145
grey and black fibre cement board wood longboard and then

816
00:55:39,145 --> 00:55:44,342
concrete finishing. Here's the landscape plan, landscape plans a little

817
00:55:44,342 --> 00:55:46,122
bit hard to read. So we circled some of the

818
00:55:46,122 --> 00:55:49,422
trees here. Uh, there are eight trees along snowstone cross

819
00:55:50,083 --> 00:55:52,302
as well as eight along the north property line, creating

820
00:55:52,403 --> 00:55:55,262
privacy and a visual break. And then for along the

821
00:55:56,563 --> 00:55:59,982
east property line. And the proposed location will help with

822
00:56:00,403 --> 00:56:04,142
screenscape as the streetscape as well as, uh, enhancing privacy

823
00:56:04,243 --> 00:56:07,136
and screen of the neighbours. So here's the site plan

824
00:56:07,157 --> 00:56:09,536
showing off of snow cell. And then once again, on

825
00:56:09,536 --> 00:56:14,712
the corner of, uh, snow cell and cross. The proposal

826
00:56:14,712 --> 00:56:19,742
meets several policies in the official commute plan. Including designing

827
00:56:19,763 --> 00:56:22,942
each unit to have individual access from the public street,

828
00:56:22,942 --> 00:56:27,182
providing landscaping and strategic locations, including framing, the building, then

829
00:56:27,182 --> 00:56:30,222
softening the edges and then designing all, you know, tab

830
00:56:30,222 --> 00:56:33,284
access to private and semi - private amenity spaces. So

831
00:56:33,625 --> 00:56:36,244
staff are recommending support for the provost development permit as

832
00:56:36,244 --> 00:56:38,484
it meets the majority of the OCP former character design

833
00:56:38,505 --> 00:56:42,804
guidelines does not include any variances and provides density into

834
00:56:42,905 --> 00:56:45,731
an established neighbourhood. And that includes that for Mark. Thanks.

835
00:56:45,731 --> 00:56:51,540
Thank you. Tyler, thank you. Uh, council questions. Seeing none,

836
00:56:51,540 --> 00:56:54,900
do I have a mover, please? Move by councillor sing,

837
00:56:54,900 --> 00:56:57,860
seconded by councillor to heart and comments. Council to heart,

838
00:56:57,860 --> 00:57:01,140
please. Thank you, worship. And thanks to staff, you know,

839
00:57:01,140 --> 00:57:03,620
um, we look around and quite often we do not

840
00:57:03,620 --> 00:57:08,000
get, um, a development this size with no variances. And

841
00:57:08,361 --> 00:57:10,660
I really like the clean look of it close to

842
00:57:10,700 --> 00:57:12,660
schools. I think it would be really, really great for

843
00:57:12,841 --> 00:57:15,220
families in this area. So I'm very happy to, to

844
00:57:15,220 --> 00:57:19,860
move it forward. Thank you. Um, seeing no further comments,

845
00:57:19,860 --> 00:57:24,381
counsel all in favor. Opposed, carried. Thank you both and

846
00:57:24,482 --> 00:57:28,861
council. We're on to the next section. So we will

847
00:57:28,861 --> 00:57:30,941
just take a five minute break, please. And thank you.

848
00:57:36,310 --> 00:57:39,010
Sorry. I missed the. I thought you were pretty. No,

849
00:57:39,010 --> 00:57:43,262
I know. Anyway. We got there. Jews orange. So. I

850
00:57:43,262 --> 00:57:49,863
keep hearing. Back there. I know.

851
00:58:04,968 --> 00:58:08,547
I could separate it.

852
00:58:15,208 --> 00:58:23,987
Uh, no, that's cool. Sorry. I just want to know

853
00:58:23,987 --> 00:58:27,907
whether that was that limitation. No, because we, that's been

854
00:58:27,947 --> 00:58:30,067
expanded. That's why I had to land my own memory.

855
00:58:32,077 --> 00:58:33,256
Anything from the sea.

856
00:58:59,394 --> 00:59:03,377
Oh. I'm just here. So then I wanted to go

857
00:59:03,417 --> 00:59:11,639
to people. And I wanted to see that was the

858
00:59:11,639 --> 00:59:13,319
one I think was up historically.

859
00:59:30,697 --> 00:59:33,956
Okay. So this is order. This is somebody. Yeah. I'm

860
00:59:33,956 --> 00:59:35,956
not sure why it's not big. Why is it first

861
00:59:36,297 --> 00:59:36,516
year.

862
00:59:47,912 --> 00:59:52,771
Oh yeah, the subsequent build on Sprite. Go there. Yeah.

863
00:59:55,592 --> 01:00:01,811
Show the second down. Okay. I know that there was

864
01:00:01,992 --> 01:00:07,571
some, from going on too far. I wonder if I

865
01:00:07,571 --> 01:00:11,331
thought. Yeah. But it's because that's all safe. Was weight

866
01:00:11,371 --> 01:00:14,211
content? If the way to have those two talk to

867
01:00:14,251 --> 01:00:16,691
each other. Okay. Okay. Okay. Thank you. Yeah.

868
01:00:39,033 --> 01:00:47,453
The best technique. Like. Screen.

869
01:00:59,330 --> 01:01:02,269
Um, yeah, so it's not coming up there.

870
01:01:30,706 --> 01:01:37,645
Uh, maybe just respond in that room. Okay.

871
01:01:47,485 --> 01:01:50,274
Yeah. I haven't had any issues receiving. Them. I'm not

872
01:01:50,274 --> 01:02:00,049
aware. Of what. S exploring at any. Rate.

873
01:06:13,763 --> 01:06:15,902
Thank you, council. I just like to call this meeting

874
01:06:16,083 --> 01:06:21,374
back to order. Citi clerk, please. Thank you, your worship.

875
01:06:21,475 --> 01:06:24,974
We are now moving to item 5. 1 on the

876
01:06:25,155 --> 01:06:27,934
agenda, and this is to adopt a rezoning bylaw on

877
01:06:28,035 --> 01:06:30,094
Penno Road before I go to that item. I'll go

878
01:06:30,094 --> 01:06:33,550
to Councillor DeHart for a statement. Thank you, worship. I

879
01:06:33,590 --> 01:06:36,430
am going to excuse myself as I have on this

880
01:06:36,430 --> 01:06:39,844
item in the past for several reasons. My employers own

881
01:06:39,884 --> 01:06:42,564
two major golf courses in Kelowna, and I'm very involved

882
01:06:42,665 --> 01:06:47,917
in those two courses. And also they online budding coloning

883
01:06:47,917 --> 01:06:50,957
springs golf course. Thank you. And Councillor Dehar, I'll actually

884
01:06:50,957 --> 01:06:54,397
get you to also make a statement for 5. 2.

885
01:06:54,397 --> 01:06:56,637
It's a separate matter, but you have previously declared conflict

886
01:06:56,677 --> 01:07:00,298
for that one as well. That's 5. 2, a short

887
01:07:00,319 --> 01:07:02,938
- term rental. Yeah, so I was just looking there.

888
01:07:02,959 --> 01:07:07,578
Yes, I will declare conflict on this. Also, my husband

889
01:07:07,679 --> 01:07:12,058
and I own two short - term rentals, Airbnbs, that

890
01:07:12,058 --> 01:07:16,350
are in effect right now as a June 1st. And

891
01:07:16,350 --> 01:07:19,710
also the hotel I work for. Airbnbs can be a

892
01:07:19,710 --> 01:07:22,270
conflict. Thank you. Thank you, councillor.

893
01:07:30,960 --> 01:07:36,299
Thank you with councillor dehart declaring. We move to consider

894
01:07:36,400 --> 01:07:40,539
adoption of the bylaw for 480 penno road. And this

895
01:07:40,539 --> 01:07:43,659
is moved by Councillor Wildridge, seconded by Councillor Cannon that

896
01:07:43,699 --> 01:07:48,539
bylaw number 12, 864 be adopted. All in favor, Councillor

897
01:07:48,560 --> 01:07:50,779
Cannon, comments? Yeah, you worship. I just want to note

898
01:07:50,880 --> 01:07:53,419
the clerk to just clarify if it's Putin for council

899
01:07:53,459 --> 01:07:55,819
to a preceded this time to approve final reading the

900
01:07:55,819 --> 01:08:00,665
spylaw, considering that pending litigation. Thank you, Riship. The city

901
01:08:00,705 --> 01:08:04,665
is confident that our obligations have been met for this

902
01:08:04,665 --> 01:08:08,905
file, and we are preparing a response to the litigation

903
01:08:09,566 --> 01:08:13,545
regarding the matter. But in the meantime, the bylaw in

904
01:08:13,545 --> 01:08:16,985
any associated procedures are considered valid unless a court decides

905
01:08:17,025 --> 01:08:20,745
otherwise, which would be dealt within accordance. And so with

906
01:08:20,745 --> 01:08:24,265
all the conditions for the rezoning having been met, council

907
01:08:24,305 --> 01:08:26,905
is to consider bylaw adoption. That is the prudent course

908
01:08:26,905 --> 01:08:32,630
of action. Thank you. Councillor Lovegrove, please. I just want

909
01:08:32,630 --> 01:08:35,590
to thank the clerk for that answer to Councillor Cannes.

910
01:08:35,590 --> 01:08:39,190
Question, but given we're still in pending litigation, I'd like

911
01:08:39,190 --> 01:08:42,870
to move deferring this pending resolution of that legal challenge.

912
01:08:47,751 --> 01:08:53,664
Your worship, on the floor for the bylaw itself. But

913
01:08:53,664 --> 01:08:56,304
a deferral motion would need to be dealt with. There's

914
01:08:56,325 --> 01:08:59,384
no debate on that. So I suggest that that'd be

915
01:08:59,384 --> 01:09:02,944
addressed. Just a point of clarification with regards to it.

916
01:09:02,944 --> 01:09:05,584
There's already emotion on the floor, city clerk. So would

917
01:09:05,605 --> 01:09:11,322
that deferral basically. You worship the deferral would need to

918
01:09:11,322 --> 01:09:12,522
be dealt with, and then we would go back to

919
01:09:12,623 --> 01:09:16,922
the original motion if the deferral fails to pass. Thank

920
01:09:16,962 --> 01:09:19,322
you. So there is a deferral that has been put

921
01:09:19,362 --> 01:09:22,442
forward by a councillor. The question with regards to that

922
01:09:22,463 --> 01:09:25,082
is all in fade. Sorry, your worship. It would need

923
01:09:25,082 --> 01:09:27,162
to be seconded to be on the floor, the deferral

924
01:09:27,202 --> 01:09:31,836
motion. Sorry, my apologies with regards to that. So do

925
01:09:31,836 --> 01:09:36,258
I have a seconder. Seconded by Councillor Cannon. So this

926
01:09:36,298 --> 01:09:39,058
has been moved by Councillove, go seconded by Councillor Cannon.

927
01:09:39,058 --> 01:09:44,320
All in favor. Opposed. So that does not carry. Thank

928
01:09:44,360 --> 01:09:48,352
you. Back to the original motion. Thank you, Riship. So

929
01:09:48,352 --> 01:09:50,852
just for clarity, back to the original motion. This has

930
01:09:50,852 --> 01:09:54,392
moved by Councillor Wildridge, seconded by Councillor Cannon. That byline

931
01:09:54,432 --> 01:10:00,733
number 12, 864 be adopted. All in favor. Opposed. Councillor

932
01:10:00,733 --> 01:10:04,093
Cannon, Councillor Love Grove opposed. And Councillor. Again, councillor Hodge,

933
01:10:04,093 --> 01:10:09,949
thank you. Thank you, council. Thank you, worship. So just

934
01:10:09,970 --> 01:10:15,612
Councillor Lovegrove, short - term rentals. Thank you, worship. That's

935
01:10:15,612 --> 01:10:17,772
exactly what I was having my light on for. My

936
01:10:17,812 --> 01:10:19,612
wife and I do own a short - term rental,

937
01:10:19,612 --> 01:10:21,852
so I'll recuse myself from item 5. 2. Thank you.

938
01:10:30,647 --> 01:10:34,386
Thank you, Riship. So we are on item 5. 2,

939
01:10:34,386 --> 01:10:37,826
and this is to adopt a rezoning bylaw on Abbott

940
01:10:37,847 --> 01:10:40,706
Street as Councillor Love Grove indicated is related to short

941
01:10:40,746 --> 01:10:43,666
- term rentals. So that has moved by Councillor Wildredge,

942
01:10:43,666 --> 01:10:46,786
seconded by Councillor Canon that by the number 12, 899

943
01:10:47,047 --> 01:10:51,232
be adopted. All in favor. Post, Carrie, thank you. Thank

944
01:10:51,272 --> 01:10:53,872
you, worship councillors, dehard, and lovegrove may return to the

945
01:10:53,912 --> 01:10:54,112
meeting.

946
01:11:04,006 --> 01:11:06,145
And that brings us to item 5. 3 on the

947
01:11:06,246 --> 01:11:09,025
agenda, and this is to adopt a rezoning bylaw in

948
01:11:09,025 --> 01:11:12,625
Franklin Road to the MF1R in Phil Housing Rental Only

949
01:11:12,625 --> 01:11:15,425
Zone. That is moved by Councillor Love Grove, seconded by

950
01:11:15,606 --> 01:11:20,705
counseloredge that by the number 12, 908 be adopted. All

951
01:11:20,705 --> 01:11:24,625
in favor? Post, carried, thank you. Thank you, and item

952
01:11:24,806 --> 01:11:27,945
5. 4 is a rezoning bylaw on saucier ab, to

953
01:11:27,945 --> 01:11:32,065
rezone to the TS1R transit supportive corridor, rental only zone.

954
01:11:32,065 --> 01:11:34,945
That is moved by Councillor Woodridge, seconded by Councillor Lovegrove

955
01:11:34,985 --> 01:11:38,385
that by the number 12, 911 be adopted. All in

956
01:11:38,425 --> 01:11:43,252
favor. Opposed. Carrie, thank you. Thank you. That brings us

957
01:11:43,273 --> 01:11:46,692
to item 6. 1 on the agenda, and we have

958
01:11:46,713 --> 01:11:49,572
a report from the audit committee regarding fringe area planning

959
01:11:49,593 --> 01:11:52,452
agreement options. Uh, and here to present on behalf of

960
01:11:52,492 --> 01:11:55,492
the audit committee staff from long range planning and financial

961
01:11:55,513 --> 01:12:03,308
services. Good afternoon, Robert. You worship.

962
01:12:27,409 --> 01:12:30,267
Okay, good afternoon, your worship members of council. This is

963
01:12:30,307 --> 01:12:32,827
a follow - up to the report brought before council

964
01:12:32,867 --> 01:12:37,387
this past January, regarding the fringe area planning services agreement

965
01:12:37,427 --> 01:12:43,093
with the regional district of central local. Disagreement gives Coluna's

966
01:12:43,133 --> 01:12:45,733
representatives on the regional district board a vote on land

967
01:12:45,733 --> 01:12:48,613
use decisions like zoning and electoral areas in close proximity

968
01:12:48,653 --> 01:12:51,597
to the city. The existing agreement expired at the end

969
01:12:51,637 --> 01:12:55,517
of 2025 and the proposed for newer runs from January,

970
01:12:55,517 --> 01:13:00,585
2026 to December 2030. In the proposed renewal agreement, no

971
01:13:00,585 --> 01:13:03,756
changes are recommended to the boundaries. Or to the funding

972
01:13:03,857 --> 01:13:07,187
formula. However, the formula does result in increases to the

973
01:13:07,227 --> 01:13:10,227
total cost for the program year over year with the

974
01:13:10,227 --> 01:13:15,987
agreement signalling an average annual cost of approximately 373, 000

975
01:13:16,027 --> 01:13:21,282
dollars over the five - year term. This funding is

976
01:13:21,383 --> 01:13:25,122
sourced from the RDCO tax levy, charged the cologne attack

977
01:13:25,162 --> 01:13:27,842
spayers, and does not require an allocation from the city

978
01:13:27,842 --> 01:13:31,618
of Columbus budget. For reference, these are the areas in

979
01:13:31,618 --> 01:13:34,707
the existing and proposed agreement. The stars show the French

980
01:13:34,747 --> 01:13:37,747
areas where cologne directors would vote on land use decisions.

981
01:13:42,417 --> 01:13:45,756
For context, annual costs under the previous agreement rose from

982
01:13:45,937 --> 01:13:53,036
approximately 177, 000 dollars in 2021 dollars in 2025 driven

983
01:13:53,057 --> 01:13:58,236
primarily by staff and overhead changes. The new agreement cites

984
01:13:58,276 --> 01:14:02,113
a cost of approximately 373, 000 dollars. And this would

985
01:14:02,113 --> 01:14:05,633
be the anticipated average cost annual cost over the life

986
01:14:05,673 --> 01:14:08,593
of the agreement. So these costs would be lower, earlier

987
01:14:08,614 --> 01:14:12,501
in the agreement's life, and higher in later years. For

988
01:14:12,522 --> 01:14:15,461
context, this cost is approximately double of what was in

989
01:14:15,461 --> 01:14:24,228
effect in 2021. In January of this year, council deferred

990
01:14:24,889 --> 01:14:27,828
council deferred of resolution on the new agreement pending additional

991
01:14:27,849 --> 01:14:32,208
information from the regional district. This discussion took place, uh,

992
01:14:32,249 --> 01:14:36,068
in April to the audit committee, and following these discussions,

993
01:14:36,068 --> 01:14:38,868
three options emerged with the recommendation coming from the audit

994
01:14:38,868 --> 01:14:44,869
committee for councils consideration today. Option one commits to the

995
01:14:44,970 --> 01:14:48,309
full five - year agreement as outlined with annual cost

996
01:14:48,330 --> 01:14:51,669
reviews, though this does not guarantee cost or service -

997
01:14:51,669 --> 01:14:55,144
level changes during this term. This is effectively the status

998
01:14:55,165 --> 01:14:58,264
quo that the agreement has proposed with more regular connections

999
01:14:58,445 --> 01:15:06,712
with regional staff to discuss, anticipated, and upcoming costs. Option

1000
01:15:06,733 --> 01:15:10,152
two enters the agreement for 2026 only, then direct staff

1001
01:15:10,192 --> 01:15:13,912
to work with the regional district to negotiate, reduced fringe

1002
01:15:14,013 --> 01:15:18,632
area boundaries, limited to lands directly adjacent to Kelowna for

1003
01:15:18,733 --> 01:15:27,141
2027 through to 2030. The swap shows the reduced fringe

1004
01:15:27,242 --> 01:15:31,141
area contemplated under option two, so the areas with X's

1005
01:15:31,181 --> 01:15:36,003
would be removed. Leaving only those areas adjacent to the

1006
01:15:36,104 --> 01:15:39,683
Kelowna boundary. If this area was reduced, the cost would

1007
01:15:39,683 --> 01:15:43,043
also come down, and based on the agreements funding formula,

1008
01:15:43,043 --> 01:15:47,203
uh, would drop from the three approximately 373, 000 to

1009
01:15:47,203 --> 01:15:52,814
approximately 225, 000 dollars. What this effectively does is shrinks

1010
01:15:52,814 --> 01:15:59,023
the overall fringe area to reduce the overall costs. Under

1011
01:15:59,044 --> 01:16:01,983
the third option, Kelowna would enter into the agreement for

1012
01:16:02,004 --> 01:16:07,466
2026 only, opt out of electoral area planning entirely. What

1013
01:16:07,506 --> 01:16:09,866
this means is that colonizable directors would no longer have

1014
01:16:09,906 --> 01:16:13,126
a vote on land use matters within the fryjaria, but

1015
01:16:13,126 --> 01:16:15,786
that colonna residents would also no longer contribute financially to

1016
01:16:15,826 --> 01:16:19,255
the service. Under this option, we would only need to

1017
01:16:20,316 --> 01:16:23,815
notify the regional district of this intent by August 31st

1018
01:16:23,815 --> 01:16:30,811
of this year. Regardless of this approach, the regional district

1019
01:16:30,832 --> 01:16:33,611
is expected to continue sending land use referrals to city

1020
01:16:33,651 --> 01:16:36,811
staff for comment, and colonist directors would keep their vote

1021
01:16:36,851 --> 01:16:40,651
on broader regional planning work. Uh, including the regional growth

1022
01:16:40,691 --> 01:16:44,617
strategy, for example. The city would also retain direct influence

1023
01:16:44,638 --> 01:16:47,097
on land use through water, sewer, and road connections at

1024
01:16:47,137 --> 01:16:49,817
the boundary, which would often be needed to service new

1025
01:16:49,857 --> 01:16:54,028
development. And other partners like Florida species and the province,

1026
01:16:54,028 --> 01:17:00,270
would continue to set utility and other transportation requirements. The

1027
01:17:00,310 --> 01:17:03,630
audit committee has recommended option three, where colonna would opt

1028
01:17:03,651 --> 01:17:07,855
out of electoral area planning. This option is recommended because

1029
01:17:07,876 --> 01:17:10,575
it balances the short - term continuity, uh, by continuing

1030
01:17:10,676 --> 01:17:14,575
in 2026, also a clearly signalling an exit from the

1031
01:17:14,615 --> 01:17:18,858
service and the associated costs for cologne attackspayers. It allows

1032
01:17:19,119 --> 01:17:21,658
the city to maintain its current role this year while

1033
01:17:21,698 --> 01:17:25,258
recognising that staff referrals work on broader regional initiatives like

1034
01:17:25,359 --> 01:17:28,138
the regional growth strategy, and the city's role in utility

1035
01:17:28,319 --> 01:17:33,578
and servicing decisions remain meaningful tools to influence fry, growth,

1036
01:17:33,578 --> 01:17:38,317
um, after exiting the service. Thank you, worship members of

1037
01:17:38,317 --> 01:17:45,026
council. That concludes staff comments. Thank you. Um, questionslor Wolbridge,

1038
01:17:45,026 --> 01:17:49,966
please. Thanks to worship. Um, I understand why we're looking

1039
01:17:49,987 --> 01:17:53,566
at this today, absolutely. Um, to make sure it's effective

1040
01:17:53,667 --> 01:17:57,286
for the taxpayers of Kelowna. Um, I'm just wondering, a

1041
01:17:57,427 --> 01:18:00,686
decision has been made to exit completely. And what concerns

1042
01:18:00,726 --> 01:18:05,246
me are the fringe areas of north and south colognus,

1043
01:18:05,246 --> 01:18:07,966
specifically South Kolonia, I recount, if we go back to

1044
01:18:07,966 --> 01:18:11,486
the map, clone a mountain, for example, uh, was fully

1045
01:18:11,526 --> 01:18:14,909
supported by EA directors and not by Kelowna. And so

1046
01:18:14,949 --> 01:18:17,549
by opting out of this completely, um, that's an example

1047
01:18:17,570 --> 01:18:23,229
where I think we're opening ourselves to risk despite what's

1048
01:18:23,229 --> 01:18:25,549
been said about, uh, infrastructure servicing. So I'm just, I'm

1049
01:18:25,589 --> 01:18:29,441
just wondering, how does that decision made. And what are

1050
01:18:29,481 --> 01:18:33,663
the impacts going to be. So, so you worship the

1051
01:18:33,764 --> 01:18:38,783
decision was really focused on looking at the opportunities where

1052
01:18:38,783 --> 01:18:41,743
and how the city could influence decisions. Um, on what

1053
01:18:41,783 --> 01:18:44,623
happens in these areas. Right. Um, and balancing that with

1054
01:18:45,044 --> 01:18:48,063
the cost of the service. Um, so what was discussed

1055
01:18:48,084 --> 01:18:50,303
was the role that the city would play on something

1056
01:18:50,343 --> 01:18:53,503
like, um, a broader regional initiative like the regional growth

1057
01:18:53,503 --> 01:18:58,063
strategy, where there could be proactive direction to, um, to

1058
01:18:58,063 --> 01:19:01,823
determine or signal what would be appropriate and inappropriate uses.

1059
01:19:01,823 --> 01:19:05,743
Um, those areas. Um, and then having those opportunities for,

1060
01:19:05,743 --> 01:19:08,143
um, the staff referral level that if something comes to

1061
01:19:08,484 --> 01:19:11,343
staff from the regional district and there are concerns, staff

1062
01:19:11,383 --> 01:19:13,663
could provide comment on that as well. So those were

1063
01:19:13,663 --> 01:19:17,423
the different elements that were balanced in the discussion. Right.

1064
01:19:17,463 --> 01:19:20,123
So to be clear, uh, we can give comments, but

1065
01:19:20,123 --> 01:19:22,383
whether those are taken to account when a vote is

1066
01:19:22,383 --> 01:19:26,464
called. Doesn't really matter, correct? You worship, that's correct. I'm

1067
01:19:26,464 --> 01:19:29,104
referring to staff level comments and referrals. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

1068
01:19:29,104 --> 01:19:30,784
I just think it's, it's important for the public to

1069
01:19:30,824 --> 01:19:33,584
understand that, um, don't bother calling your elected officials because

1070
01:19:33,584 --> 01:19:35,424
it'll just be comments put on a report at the

1071
01:19:35,424 --> 01:19:39,104
regional board table decided by 2EA directors. So there are,

1072
01:19:39,104 --> 01:19:41,264
there are implications in this. I fully understand the direction

1073
01:19:41,304 --> 01:19:43,649
on that. EA West, but I think this is a

1074
01:19:43,649 --> 01:19:47,169
bad governance decision from EAs, but I'm not surprised this

1075
01:19:47,169 --> 01:19:53,329
is a administrative decision. Thanks. Um, councillor Love Grove, please.

1076
01:19:54,689 --> 01:20:00,268
Thanks. Um, when did staff become aware of these 2026

1077
01:20:00,289 --> 01:20:06,367
service costs being doubled. Your worship, uh, the request to

1078
01:20:06,388 --> 01:20:09,727
consider renewal of the five year agreement came to staff,

1079
01:20:09,727 --> 01:20:12,687
uh, last year last fall. Um, as part of the

1080
01:20:12,788 --> 01:20:17,087
review of that request, um, staff, uh, connected with our

1081
01:20:17,127 --> 01:20:21,247
regional counterparts, um, to pull the information on, um, what

1082
01:20:21,348 --> 01:20:23,647
the, what the finances had been for this program over

1083
01:20:23,668 --> 01:20:26,927
the past few years. Um, and that's when staff had

1084
01:20:26,967 --> 01:20:29,887
the opportunity to see how the cost had changed over

1085
01:20:30,068 --> 01:20:33,059
in recent years. And I think I heard you say

1086
01:20:33,240 --> 01:20:37,699
it was a reallocation of overhead and just staffing increases.

1087
01:20:38,733 --> 01:20:41,192
Your worship, yes. We did reach out to the regional

1088
01:20:41,232 --> 01:20:44,232
district to get some information on what was tied to

1089
01:20:44,272 --> 01:20:47,672
those cost increases. Uh, and it was really related to

1090
01:20:48,573 --> 01:20:50,792
onboarding new staff and the overhead that goes along with

1091
01:20:50,792 --> 01:20:55,352
that. Okay. And please remind me, you worship, if this

1092
01:20:55,352 --> 01:20:57,912
was out of words, okay, this, we knew about this

1093
01:20:58,813 --> 01:21:03,139
before we withdrew from the transportation service. Because I can't

1094
01:21:03,179 --> 01:21:05,699
remember the time you're not. You worship. I can't confirm.

1095
01:21:05,699 --> 01:21:10,739
I don't recall the timing. Okay. Um, dude, and this

1096
01:21:10,739 --> 01:21:12,979
is, uh, city, I guess, question your worship for city

1097
01:21:12,979 --> 01:21:15,699
clerk. Do we have access to the information that was

1098
01:21:15,739 --> 01:21:22,222
presented at the audit committee by RDCO staff. Uh, your

1099
01:21:22,222 --> 01:21:25,182
worship, it's, it's in general summarized in the information that

1100
01:21:25,763 --> 01:21:30,451
council has available to you today. And just a note

1101
01:21:30,451 --> 01:21:35,171
in terms of the previous question regarding the transportation service.

1102
01:21:35,171 --> 01:21:38,691
It was a proposed new transportation service in the council

1103
01:21:38,731 --> 01:21:42,291
made that decision earlier last year, uh, prior to the,

1104
01:21:42,291 --> 01:21:48,814
uh, renewal coming to staff. Oh, okay. Interesting. Um, so

1105
01:21:49,395 --> 01:21:52,494
with the audit committee, maybe I'll wait to hear from

1106
01:21:53,635 --> 01:21:57,534
your worship and councillor stack on your aspect at the

1107
01:21:57,555 --> 01:22:00,334
audit committee. If you don't mind. But I guess I'm,

1108
01:22:00,355 --> 01:22:02,314
I do have some comments to make your worship, but

1109
01:22:03,955 --> 01:22:06,094
I'm sure I'd like to understand this a bit better.

1110
01:22:06,995 --> 01:22:10,254
Because Councillor Wolwards last comment or in response to the

1111
01:22:10,515 --> 01:22:13,114
question for staff was that this is administrative decision, but

1112
01:22:13,715 --> 01:22:18,494
I'm, I'm a little concerned about whether this is a

1113
01:22:18,534 --> 01:22:21,454
short term gain and the risk involved because opening ourselves

1114
01:22:21,555 --> 01:22:25,294
to risk, maybe, maybe staff could clarify, um, I'm just

1115
01:22:25,294 --> 01:22:27,694
going to list off what I came up with being

1116
01:22:27,734 --> 01:22:31,054
a first dream councillor is potential risks. So we would

1117
01:22:31,395 --> 01:22:34,934
have no input other than just a staff comment. No

1118
01:22:34,934 --> 01:22:38,494
voting around the table. If suddenly in our electoral areas,

1119
01:22:38,494 --> 01:22:44,560
we have gravel pits. Is that correct? Your worship, what

1120
01:22:44,560 --> 01:22:46,400
would happen in that case is that we would in

1121
01:22:46,400 --> 01:22:48,480
terms of the staff referral staff would get a referral.

1122
01:22:48,480 --> 01:22:51,600
We'd have an opportunity to comment. Uh, where the city,

1123
01:22:51,600 --> 01:22:55,360
uh, would have additional influences if uses like that required

1124
01:22:55,381 --> 01:22:58,400
additional infrastructure at the, at the city end. Um, that's

1125
01:22:58,501 --> 01:23:00,880
where the city would have, had direct influence in those

1126
01:23:00,920 --> 01:23:06,320
cases. Um, and again, looking at, um, proactive upstream planning,

1127
01:23:06,320 --> 01:23:08,960
having those types of discussions at something like the regional

1128
01:23:08,981 --> 01:23:12,382
growth strategy level. Okay. And what about soil fill on

1129
01:23:12,422 --> 01:23:19,014
individual lots. Uh, your worship. Yeah, I wouldn't be able

1130
01:23:19,014 --> 01:23:21,254
to comment on that. Um, it would be, it would

1131
01:23:21,355 --> 01:23:23,974
really be determined as to whether or not additional servicing

1132
01:23:24,014 --> 01:23:27,995
was need for that. Okay. And then access in or

1133
01:23:27,995 --> 01:23:32,831
through water sources. Lakes, shoot Lake Road. I'm not sure

1134
01:23:32,852 --> 01:23:34,751
where our boundary. East boundary is. But I mean, I'm

1135
01:23:34,791 --> 01:23:38,191
just wondering about, um, well, I'm going to just list

1136
01:23:38,231 --> 01:23:40,511
off and you can just give a general comment down.

1137
01:23:40,511 --> 01:23:43,231
I don't want to believe this. But wildfire planning firefighting

1138
01:23:43,332 --> 01:23:47,311
emergency response search and rescue. All those aspects could be

1139
01:23:47,351 --> 01:23:50,751
happening. Our electoral areas. We have absolutely no influence other

1140
01:23:50,852 --> 01:23:53,711
than the staff comment. Your worship, to be clear when

1141
01:23:53,751 --> 01:23:57,791
it comes to things like emergency services, um, inserts and

1142
01:23:57,831 --> 01:24:00,991
rescue. Those are existing functions that are separate from this

1143
01:24:01,012 --> 01:24:05,391
fringe planning area discussion. Okay. All right. Fair comment. Thanks.

1144
01:24:06,692 --> 01:24:12,774
Um, councillor cannon, please questions. Yeah. Thanks. For regional planning.

1145
01:24:12,774 --> 01:24:15,689
We'll still be part of the regional planning, correct? For

1146
01:24:15,689 --> 01:24:18,249
the regional district. Like the, you said the regional growth

1147
01:24:18,289 --> 01:24:22,329
planning. I think we contribute almost 450 or 500, 000

1148
01:24:22,430 --> 01:24:25,849
a year to that program. That'll still be part of

1149
01:24:25,889 --> 01:24:28,889
the equation. So we won't have any input as far

1150
01:24:28,929 --> 01:24:34,226
as potential land use under regional girl strategy. So you

1151
01:24:34,226 --> 01:24:38,226
worship there too. Um, we're touching on two different funding

1152
01:24:38,266 --> 01:24:41,266
streams here. There's regional planning. Um, which is a different

1153
01:24:41,687 --> 01:24:44,226
funding stream and provides different services. That would include something

1154
01:24:44,247 --> 01:24:47,586
like the regional growth strategy. That's not the subject of

1155
01:24:47,847 --> 01:24:51,266
today's discussion. This falls under the electoral area plot. I

1156
01:24:51,266 --> 01:24:53,906
just want to over. It's still part of that program,

1157
01:24:53,906 --> 01:24:58,466
but it doesn't have any, uh, ability to provide some

1158
01:24:58,506 --> 01:25:01,906
direction for long - term planning under the, we would

1159
01:25:01,946 --> 01:25:05,754
have direction under that funding source. So that's what I'm

1160
01:25:05,754 --> 01:25:09,324
saying. We still have a bit of a lever. You

1161
01:25:09,364 --> 01:25:12,364
worship, yes, with the, uh, with the, uh, the funding

1162
01:25:12,385 --> 01:25:15,324
source that we're talking about for regional planning under the

1163
01:25:15,364 --> 01:25:18,284
regional growth strategy, that's retained. And so the city would

1164
01:25:18,324 --> 01:25:22,444
still have a role and our representatives on the board

1165
01:25:23,105 --> 01:25:25,244
would have an, would still be able to vote on

1166
01:25:25,505 --> 01:25:28,364
region white initiatives like the growth strategy. Okay. For the

1167
01:25:28,385 --> 01:25:34,084
flip side, then Councillor Wolverage mentioned about the south. So

1168
01:25:34,084 --> 01:25:36,924
of Clauna Mountain came with another proposal. It's the regional

1169
01:25:36,964 --> 01:25:39,884
district. If we pull out of here, then we wouldn't

1170
01:25:39,924 --> 01:25:41,164
have a say in that it would be up to

1171
01:25:41,825 --> 01:25:44,444
just the area director. There are directors. Is that correct?

1172
01:25:45,185 --> 01:25:48,104
You worship if a proposal like that move forward. Um,

1173
01:25:48,225 --> 01:25:51,564
there would be discussions on servicing. So if the influence

1174
01:25:51,585 --> 01:25:54,524
that through the servicing on the city side, we would

1175
01:25:54,545 --> 01:25:56,924
continue to have a role there. There would be a

1176
01:25:57,025 --> 01:26:00,524
staff level referral, but there would not be, um, a

1177
01:26:00,524 --> 01:26:03,550
vote from a cologne councillor on, on that one. Okay.

1178
01:26:03,811 --> 01:26:08,270
And, um, I think councillor Wolver lovegrove had mentioned about

1179
01:26:08,931 --> 01:26:12,110
the audit committee. I see it's, as council, we don't

1180
01:26:12,110 --> 01:26:13,630
know when the audit committee meets and we don't have

1181
01:26:13,670 --> 01:26:15,870
access to the meeting minutes. So maybe through the chair

1182
01:26:16,451 --> 01:26:18,750
as the chair are one of the committee members could

1183
01:26:18,750 --> 01:26:22,069
elaborate a little bit more with. It says that the

1184
01:26:22,090 --> 01:26:27,189
regional district staff presented, but not really sure how this,

1185
01:26:27,189 --> 01:26:30,149
based on the recommendation, we're going to save some money.

1186
01:26:30,746 --> 01:26:33,285
But maybe you can provide a little bit more clarity

1187
01:26:33,325 --> 01:26:35,765
of how you came up with this recommendation from the

1188
01:26:35,866 --> 01:26:38,389
audit committee. Thank you. I'm just going to work my

1189
01:26:38,429 --> 01:26:46,016
way through councillors questions first, councillor. Councillor Hodgklees. Well, most

1190
01:26:46,016 --> 01:26:50,261
of you may. Feel rather rushed on this one, to

1191
01:26:50,261 --> 01:26:52,301
be honest with you. And I'm not comfortable with it.

1192
01:26:53,754 --> 01:26:57,013
Part of me says, I'm wondering if we shouldn't be

1193
01:26:57,034 --> 01:27:02,373
looking at deferriness or delayness until we have, uh, new

1194
01:27:02,373 --> 01:27:06,997
council and new regional district. To do with it. I

1195
01:27:06,997 --> 01:27:11,077
mean, it's going to affect. And in fact, the future

1196
01:27:11,258 --> 01:27:19,376
governments that are running both bodies. And. I would say

1197
01:27:19,416 --> 01:27:22,656
to all see them, you know, make their own decision.

1198
01:27:24,425 --> 01:27:26,804
I'm uncomfortable with it right now. That's why I say

1199
01:27:26,804 --> 01:27:32,250
that. Councillor, and we'll just try to keep comments if

1200
01:27:32,250 --> 01:27:34,250
we can. Just kind of keep it on questions if

1201
01:27:34,250 --> 01:27:36,650
we can for at the moment. And then we'll make

1202
01:27:36,650 --> 01:27:41,033
comments afterwards once we move this. Councillor Weber, please. Actually,

1203
01:27:41,033 --> 01:27:43,273
I had a, I'm waiting for comments. Okay. Thank you.

1204
01:27:43,454 --> 01:27:47,033
So that's, that's perfect. So I'm just, and we'll go

1205
01:27:47,033 --> 01:27:49,353
to comments. I'm just going to kind of, um, open

1206
01:27:49,374 --> 01:27:51,833
this up. I'm looking for a motion to put this

1207
01:27:51,833 --> 01:27:56,713
on the floor. Um, move by councillor. Um, stack seconded

1208
01:27:56,713 --> 01:28:00,473
by councillor cannon. Um, just to kind of move it,

1209
01:28:00,473 --> 01:28:05,931
uh, councillor, um, stack, please. I will too also, but

1210
01:28:05,931 --> 01:28:07,371
I'll start with you. You've been around a little bit

1211
01:28:07,371 --> 01:28:13,537
longer. My copes right. There you go. There we are.

1212
01:28:13,638 --> 01:28:17,818
Uh, couple of questions. So let me explain, I guess,

1213
01:28:17,818 --> 01:28:21,178
my perspective as to why I support this going ahead

1214
01:28:22,479 --> 01:28:26,218
is, um, I've sat on regional district off and on

1215
01:28:26,218 --> 01:28:29,818
for many, many years. And when originally we went into

1216
01:28:29,999 --> 01:28:33,898
fry jury planning, many years ago, um, the cost was

1217
01:28:34,239 --> 01:28:37,898
not very much. It was fairly minimal. Uh, we decided

1218
01:28:38,239 --> 01:28:41,338
at that time to fringe all the areas that were

1219
01:28:41,338 --> 01:28:44,138
identified here because we just thought it was a reasonable

1220
01:28:44,138 --> 01:28:47,978
thing to do. Um, and we did. But I don't

1221
01:28:47,978 --> 01:28:50,138
want to quote the amount, but my recollection was with

1222
01:28:50,178 --> 01:28:51,978
someone in the range of 90, 000 dollars a year

1223
01:28:52,159 --> 01:28:55,098
at that time. But over the years, it gets larger

1224
01:28:55,199 --> 01:28:57,858
and larger and larger to the point last year. It

1225
01:28:57,858 --> 01:29:00,778
really caught my attention. We're now looking at a five

1226
01:29:00,959 --> 01:29:06,058
year contract for 1. 85 million dollars. So when I

1227
01:29:06,098 --> 01:29:08,698
look at it from that perspective, when I'm looking at

1228
01:29:08,799 --> 01:29:11,098
any contract that I'm going into for 1. 8 million

1229
01:29:11,199 --> 01:29:14,418
dollars that the citizens of our city are going to

1230
01:29:14,418 --> 01:29:16,298
pay, I want to know what the value is that

1231
01:29:16,338 --> 01:29:18,559
we're going to get from that. And when I went

1232
01:29:18,660 --> 01:29:20,799
and reviewed the to some of the decisions that we've

1233
01:29:20,799 --> 01:29:25,039
made it, even including myself as a fringe area member,

1234
01:29:25,039 --> 01:29:27,679
uh, I couldn't think of any substantive vote that I've

1235
01:29:27,700 --> 01:29:30,319
taken in the years that I've been on the regional

1236
01:29:30,340 --> 01:29:32,799
district that I think would have made a difference. Typically

1237
01:29:32,900 --> 01:29:35,679
what I've done is we've looked to our electoral area

1238
01:29:36,900 --> 01:29:39,359
counterparts and said, do you want to support that secondary

1239
01:29:39,540 --> 01:29:41,639
suite or that carriage house? And they say, yeah, we

1240
01:29:41,639 --> 01:29:43,519
do. And I say, good, we'll support it too. So

1241
01:29:44,260 --> 01:29:47,359
there was just nothing of substance. And therefore, when I

1242
01:29:47,359 --> 01:29:49,839
looked at the cost of, you know, getting up between

1243
01:29:50,100 --> 01:29:53,679
three and 400, 000 dollars a year just to offer

1244
01:29:54,420 --> 01:29:59,191
a vote. I just couldn't see the value. And, um,

1245
01:29:59,472 --> 01:30:02,491
when we go back to the colonist, or sorry, to

1246
01:30:02,531 --> 01:30:06,331
the, um, cologne mountain thing, it never even made it

1247
01:30:06,912 --> 01:30:10,891
to the regional board table. It was proposed. But the

1248
01:30:10,931 --> 01:30:13,371
applicant never even came through. But that was dealt with

1249
01:30:13,411 --> 01:30:15,771
through an OCP change. And my understanding as a regional

1250
01:30:15,811 --> 01:30:18,811
director, we would still be involved with the official community

1251
01:30:18,832 --> 01:30:21,411
plan and with a long - term range planning. So

1252
01:30:21,872 --> 01:30:23,611
when I look back over the years, I just can't

1253
01:30:23,611 --> 01:30:27,131
see the value. So I had to put my city

1254
01:30:27,171 --> 01:30:29,931
of Kelowna hat on and saying, should our citizens be

1255
01:30:29,952 --> 01:30:34,331
paying this amount of money for a very minor comment

1256
01:30:34,912 --> 01:30:38,251
in my opinion on some of these rezonings? And I

1257
01:30:38,251 --> 01:30:40,171
just couldn't see the value. So therefore, that's why I

1258
01:30:40,272 --> 01:30:45,291
felt we should back off. And, um, and not continue

1259
01:30:45,331 --> 01:30:47,291
on with this service. I just don't see the value

1260
01:30:47,331 --> 01:30:52,331
for our citizens, for the costs that's being proposed. Council,

1261
01:30:52,331 --> 01:30:54,091
and then I will open it up to yourselves afterwards,

1262
01:30:54,091 --> 01:30:55,051
but just to give you a little bit of insight

1263
01:30:55,152 --> 01:31:01,469
from. Myself. First of all, weighed in with regards to

1264
01:31:01,890 --> 01:31:04,429
previous individuals who have been around longer than I have

1265
01:31:04,429 --> 01:31:07,189
with regards to fringe area planning, uh, whether it be

1266
01:31:07,330 --> 01:31:10,249
the mountain item, whether it be around the airport, um,

1267
01:31:10,450 --> 01:31:13,789
whether it be in other areas of this community, recognising

1268
01:31:13,829 --> 01:31:17,549
that each municipality in each area needs to put together,

1269
01:31:17,549 --> 01:31:21,789
um, uh, an official community plan. That official community plan,

1270
01:31:21,789 --> 01:31:23,629
when it sits upon our borders, we'll give us an

1271
01:31:23,669 --> 01:31:27,289
indication of whether that's residential lots, whether that is, um,

1272
01:31:27,650 --> 01:31:31,869
industrial, whether that is agriculture or whatever it happens to

1273
01:31:31,869 --> 01:31:35,629
be. So when we're looking at doing that long -

1274
01:31:35,629 --> 01:31:38,989
term planning that Robert speaks about, um, there's awareness with

1275
01:31:39,090 --> 01:31:41,869
regards to those individuals, what is coming within those specific

1276
01:31:41,890 --> 01:31:46,909
areas. There truly isn't really any real surprises. Um, that

1277
01:31:46,949 --> 01:31:51,549
come about. And if they need services of potential water,

1278
01:31:51,549 --> 01:31:54,429
if they need services of sewer, if they need services

1279
01:31:55,090 --> 01:31:58,509
of, you know, and this thing even potentially electricity to

1280
01:31:58,549 --> 01:32:01,989
a great degree, there's an involvement that they have. So

1281
01:32:01,989 --> 01:32:05,869
there isn't anything that's coming in, which is, um, again,

1282
01:32:05,890 --> 01:32:09,149
surprising us with regards to the way that it works.

1283
01:32:09,149 --> 01:32:12,029
I saw that, um, the work that the team does

1284
01:32:12,050 --> 01:32:16,829
here in conjunction with communicating with those individuals allows for

1285
01:32:16,850 --> 01:32:20,589
enough awareness of what is coming within these areas without

1286
01:32:21,170 --> 01:32:23,789
any surprises because of the role that they play from

1287
01:32:23,810 --> 01:32:29,629
a communication standpoint. And I asked, um, what to what

1288
01:32:29,669 --> 01:32:32,749
degree, you know, the vote and how it counts and

1289
01:32:32,770 --> 01:32:34,989
how many times it's been used. And you know, where

1290
01:32:35,090 --> 01:32:38,189
it's advanced. And there wasn't, I couldn't get any concrete

1291
01:32:38,290 --> 01:32:41,469
information back from it. And in our meetings, we did

1292
01:32:41,570 --> 01:32:45,229
go through and look at it from a financial standpoint.

1293
01:32:45,229 --> 01:32:47,709
We also did go through and ask for the regional

1294
01:32:47,810 --> 01:32:50,429
district to come in and present the situation with regards

1295
01:32:50,429 --> 01:32:53,869
to what's being done. They did present to specific areas

1296
01:32:54,050 --> 01:32:56,029
that were of concern. And the mountain was one of

1297
01:32:56,029 --> 01:32:58,589
them. And we had discussions about it. So it was

1298
01:32:58,770 --> 01:33:03,149
a good discussion around, you know, the specifics of it.

1299
01:33:03,149 --> 01:33:06,669
Um, but it was based upon that, you know, that

1300
01:33:06,669 --> 01:33:10,669
information, that consensus that there was substantial backup from all

1301
01:33:10,709 --> 01:33:13,389
of the existing programs at all the different areas have

1302
01:33:13,490 --> 01:33:16,409
as they build out. And that there is communications. And

1303
01:33:16,409 --> 01:33:19,389
if there is, you know, as councillor stock had said,

1304
01:33:19,389 --> 01:33:21,469
usually if there is one or two situations that come

1305
01:33:21,509 --> 01:33:25,069
about it gets discussed around the table and then is,

1306
01:33:25,069 --> 01:33:27,949
uh, information is exchanged. And if it's appropriate, then voted

1307
01:33:27,949 --> 01:33:30,829
for accordingly. But so just to give you some insight

1308
01:33:31,090 --> 01:33:34,269
that there was discussion that was had, and the audit

1309
01:33:34,309 --> 01:33:37,069
committee going back to this information of kind of exchanging

1310
01:33:37,090 --> 01:33:39,869
with regards to the audit committee, the audit committee has

1311
01:33:39,890 --> 01:33:43,149
worked this way well before even I got here that

1312
01:33:43,189 --> 01:33:46,269
they basically went through, got the reports, made a decision,

1313
01:33:46,309 --> 01:33:50,729
brought that information back to council. If counsel is, you

1314
01:33:50,729 --> 01:33:52,589
know, at this point in time, looking at saying, well,

1315
01:33:52,610 --> 01:33:54,829
we need a little bit more information from the audit

1316
01:33:54,829 --> 01:33:56,989
committee. That's absolutely fine. I mean, there isn't any problem

1317
01:33:57,090 --> 01:34:00,829
there. They're just like the other committees that are established

1318
01:34:00,930 --> 01:34:04,509
within here to try to look at reviewing the information,

1319
01:34:04,549 --> 01:34:07,069
having good discussions around it and bringing a recommendation back

1320
01:34:07,090 --> 01:34:10,829
to council. So, um, just so you're aware of kind

1321
01:34:10,829 --> 01:34:13,723
of some of that process that we went through. Councillor

1322
01:34:13,763 --> 01:34:15,643
Weber, you were the other individual on the audit committee.

1323
01:34:17,161 --> 01:34:21,460
Yeah. But my, my conclusions weren't the same as yours.

1324
01:34:21,481 --> 01:34:24,020
Yeah. And that's fair. That's fair. I'm just, I'm saying,

1325
01:34:24,020 --> 01:34:25,700
but and I'm, you know, I'm trying to be respectful

1326
01:34:25,721 --> 01:34:28,660
of the committee and so forth. But, um, I agree

1327
01:34:28,700 --> 01:34:31,540
with councillor stack that over the course of time costs

1328
01:34:31,540 --> 01:34:33,060
are risen to the point that you really do have

1329
01:34:33,060 --> 01:34:35,940
to debate whether or not it's worth it to the

1330
01:34:35,961 --> 01:34:39,380
colonia taxpayers to continue into it. But as I've been

1331
01:34:39,420 --> 01:34:42,180
on council now a while, maybe in my old age,

1332
01:34:42,180 --> 01:34:45,180
I'll becoming more small sea conservative than I used to

1333
01:34:45,180 --> 01:34:47,380
be, but I'm not comfortable. Sorry, Ron. But I'm not

1334
01:34:47,420 --> 01:34:52,260
comfortable with, um, I'm not comfortable with big changes all

1335
01:34:52,300 --> 01:34:55,620
at once anymore. So I'm more like, I look at

1336
01:34:55,801 --> 01:34:57,780
when option two came along. I looked at that and

1337
01:34:57,780 --> 01:35:00,980
said, that's perfect to me that we, we reduce the

1338
01:35:01,081 --> 01:35:05,060
cost by reducing the area in which we're voting and

1339
01:35:05,060 --> 01:35:07,460
only vote on the areas that are immediately adjacent to

1340
01:35:07,500 --> 01:35:10,580
the boundaries of Kelowna rather than across the lake and

1341
01:35:10,620 --> 01:35:13,220
way inlet. And so we could do, and that would

1342
01:35:13,220 --> 01:35:17,460
be for one period of time from now until 2030,

1343
01:35:17,460 --> 01:35:19,460
four years, I guess. And then during that time, we

1344
01:35:19,500 --> 01:35:23,600
could watch and see whether anything came up that, um,

1345
01:35:24,201 --> 01:35:25,938
we needed to vote for. And at the end of

1346
01:35:25,978 --> 01:35:28,738
that time, if we didn't even vote for those regions,

1347
01:35:28,738 --> 01:35:30,498
then that might be a good reason to actually get

1348
01:35:30,538 --> 01:35:34,098
out of it altogether. But I think myself option too

1349
01:35:34,199 --> 01:35:36,658
is the preferred option. And I would vote against the

1350
01:35:36,679 --> 01:35:38,738
motion that's, that's in front of us today. Thank you.

1351
01:35:38,999 --> 01:35:45,267
Thank you. Councillor Wolverge, please. Thanks for worship. Yeah. The

1352
01:35:45,267 --> 01:35:46,867
part of the problem I have here is that I

1353
01:35:46,867 --> 01:35:50,767
think option two, uh, was a reasonable approach where, you

1354
01:35:50,767 --> 01:35:54,147
know, where we still weigh in from a regional perspective

1355
01:35:54,728 --> 01:35:58,307
on what we, what we neighbour, um, obviously electoral area

1356
01:35:58,488 --> 01:36:00,867
West makes no sense to be, to be voting on

1357
01:36:00,867 --> 01:36:02,947
things across the lake. Um, but when I think about

1358
01:36:03,048 --> 01:36:04,867
what South of us, if someone wants to put an

1359
01:36:04,907 --> 01:36:08,867
AI data centre, for example, at the top of the

1360
01:36:08,907 --> 01:36:11,667
mountain, um, you know, staff can give feedback. But if

1361
01:36:11,688 --> 01:36:14,227
residents in the upper mission in kettle valley have an

1362
01:36:14,227 --> 01:36:16,387
issue with that, well, don't bother calling your city councillor

1363
01:36:16,568 --> 01:36:21,027
because they can't vote on it. So, um, unfortunately all

1364
01:36:21,027 --> 01:36:23,027
we see is what's before us right now in an

1365
01:36:23,027 --> 01:36:25,507
afternoon meeting. We didn't get to sit in and the

1366
01:36:25,507 --> 01:36:29,027
presentation from the regional district. So yet again, it's debatable

1367
01:36:29,048 --> 01:36:31,347
if that even meets the test to be in camera

1368
01:36:32,328 --> 01:36:37,187
from that perspective. But I think option two offered a

1369
01:36:37,288 --> 01:36:42,418
decent review. Reducing cost. And, um, would still give Kelowna

1370
01:36:42,418 --> 01:36:45,138
the ability to weigh in on, um, issues that affect

1371
01:36:45,178 --> 01:36:47,858
them. Um, our airport is also right on the border

1372
01:36:47,898 --> 01:36:50,578
of this. So, um, from my perspective, this is taking

1373
01:36:50,759 --> 01:36:52,178
it in the wrong direction. And I know we're looking

1374
01:36:52,178 --> 01:36:55,058
at dollars and cents of a 300 and some odd,

1375
01:36:55,239 --> 01:36:57,618
but in our billion dollar budget that we tote so

1376
01:36:57,618 --> 01:36:59,778
much at the city of Kelowna. That's a fairly small

1377
01:36:59,799 --> 01:37:01,618
amount of money that we could have negotiated down by

1378
01:37:01,639 --> 01:37:03,698
just changing the boundaries. So I won't be supporting the

1379
01:37:03,738 --> 01:37:09,698
resolution. Councillor Singh, please. You are at first, Councillor Stack

1380
01:37:09,738 --> 01:37:11,858
made so much sense to me, which he always does.

1381
01:37:11,858 --> 01:37:15,128
And I thought that was brilliant, of course. And then

1382
01:37:15,709 --> 01:37:22,908
councillor Weber made an argument which actually makes. Plausible sense

1383
01:37:22,929 --> 01:37:29,765
to me. And, um. I will be also looking at.

1384
01:37:32,193 --> 01:37:42,135
Recommendation to. Counts. Done. Uh, councillor, um. Love growth, please.

1385
01:37:43,014 --> 01:37:47,126
You worship just reading the room here. I'm going to

1386
01:37:47,126 --> 01:37:49,086
let you have a side chat with the city clerk

1387
01:37:49,347 --> 01:37:51,006
because it sounds like a lot of us are gravitating

1388
01:37:51,027 --> 01:37:53,566
towards option two. Council, there is a motion on the

1389
01:37:53,667 --> 01:37:55,886
floor right now. So we'll deal with that one and

1390
01:37:55,926 --> 01:37:57,486
comment on that one. But if you, there is one

1391
01:37:57,486 --> 01:38:01,086
on the floor. But if we defeat this. But we'll

1392
01:38:01,126 --> 01:38:02,526
deal with the one that's on the floor right at

1393
01:38:02,526 --> 01:38:06,514
the moment. All right. Well, I guess that's my comment.

1394
01:38:06,514 --> 01:38:10,594
I'm, I'm, I'm a, I guess I'm getting a sense

1395
01:38:10,634 --> 01:38:14,514
that based on decisions over the last year, getting this

1396
01:38:14,514 --> 01:38:20,062
feeling we're frustrating or regional partnerships. And I'm, I'm for

1397
01:38:20,062 --> 01:38:23,742
working on partnerships. It makes us stronger together. And I'm,

1398
01:38:23,742 --> 01:38:26,222
if we're out of this, what's going to take to

1399
01:38:26,262 --> 01:38:29,262
get back in. If we've made a mistake. So I'm

1400
01:38:29,262 --> 01:38:32,142
going to side with the voice of experience to my

1401
01:38:32,323 --> 01:38:36,478
far right. And the colleague to my immediate right. I

1402
01:38:36,478 --> 01:38:39,358
think, uh, as well to my immediate left based on

1403
01:38:39,358 --> 01:38:42,518
your earlier comments, Charlie. And I will be not supporting

1404
01:38:42,539 --> 01:38:46,051
this motion, but I do hope your worship. That if

1405
01:38:46,072 --> 01:38:49,251
this does go down, we're able at this meeting because

1406
01:38:49,251 --> 01:38:50,931
we're, I think we're getting a little tight on time.

1407
01:38:51,835 --> 01:38:54,934
That we can have an immediate reconsideration for option two

1408
01:38:55,275 --> 01:38:57,334
in the next few weeks, I hope, if not a

1409
01:38:57,374 --> 01:39:00,483
referral to a committee. Maybe I'm wrong on that. Just

1410
01:39:00,523 --> 01:39:05,043
throwing it out there. Thank you. Um, councillor Cannon, please.

1411
01:39:05,304 --> 01:39:10,003
Thanks, your worship, good discussion. And I really appreciate staff's

1412
01:39:10,003 --> 01:39:12,883
feedback as well. And I look at this from a

1413
01:39:12,923 --> 01:39:16,563
regional planning perspective. Our value, it's not if we're going

1414
01:39:16,563 --> 01:39:18,243
to grow. It's going to grow. And it's how we

1415
01:39:18,283 --> 01:39:21,203
manage it. If we don't manage it properly, it'll take

1416
01:39:21,203 --> 01:39:23,203
on a life of its own. So I think if

1417
01:39:23,224 --> 01:39:27,283
we just remove ourself exclusively and allow the area to

1418
01:39:28,824 --> 01:39:35,843
develop, we're open for some very serious problems and challenges

1419
01:39:35,864 --> 01:39:37,683
in the future. We've had a lot of growth already

1420
01:39:37,864 --> 01:39:41,243
without proper infrastructure. And as we continue to grow, I

1421
01:39:41,243 --> 01:39:44,003
mean, focuses to ensure that proper infrastructure is in place.

1422
01:39:44,003 --> 01:39:46,323
And if we don't have a say at the table,

1423
01:39:46,323 --> 01:39:49,283
I'm really concerned with that. I think with option two,

1424
01:39:49,323 --> 01:39:55,003
it'll be also revisiting our other, other programs, it says

1425
01:39:55,003 --> 01:39:59,123
with regard to, um, it says trigger RDCO led discussions

1426
01:39:59,384 --> 01:40:03,443
revised agreements. So I would look at our regional planning

1427
01:40:03,443 --> 01:40:05,283
function. We might build a save some money there and

1428
01:40:05,283 --> 01:40:07,443
contribute to here. So I'm leaning more to option too.

1429
01:40:07,443 --> 01:40:12,444
Thank you. Thank you. Uh, Councillor Stack, please. Thanks for

1430
01:40:12,484 --> 01:40:16,364
the second opportunity. I just wanted to respond to Councillor

1431
01:40:16,404 --> 01:40:18,557
Weber. Because as we had, we had some of these

1432
01:40:18,578 --> 01:40:22,557
discussions. And, um, I'm quite respectful of that opinion that

1433
01:40:22,597 --> 01:40:25,817
option two is something that could easily be considered. Um,

1434
01:40:26,898 --> 01:40:29,197
but I do, I guess my response to that is

1435
01:40:29,298 --> 01:40:32,557
I point out, uh, like West city of West Colonia,

1436
01:40:32,557 --> 01:40:36,877
for instance, doesn't comment on colonia east as an example.

1437
01:40:36,898 --> 01:40:40,957
I mean, they're part of our regional table, but we're

1438
01:40:40,997 --> 01:40:43,677
only talking about things that are immediately adjacent to our

1439
01:40:43,698 --> 01:40:46,637
border, but it doesn't mean that we at the regional

1440
01:40:46,658 --> 01:40:49,357
table don't discuss the whole region and do our planning

1441
01:40:49,378 --> 01:40:52,317
on a regional basis. So, uh, that's why this is

1442
01:40:52,317 --> 01:40:57,197
called fringe area planning because it's really not our area.

1443
01:40:57,197 --> 01:40:59,597
We vote on city of Kelowna. We're talking about having

1444
01:40:59,698 --> 01:41:03,837
a vote on our neighbor's area. It's adjacent to the

1445
01:41:03,877 --> 01:41:06,575
city. So that's why it's called a fringe. It's really

1446
01:41:06,575 --> 01:41:09,375
not our, our legislation and our, in our, in our

1447
01:41:09,396 --> 01:41:16,235
municipality. So I did consider, um, Councillor Weber's perspective. And

1448
01:41:16,356 --> 01:41:18,895
the only reason I didn't go that route is that

1449
01:41:18,916 --> 01:41:20,895
when I weighed out the financial cost, it was still

1450
01:41:20,935 --> 01:41:23,695
1. 1 million dollars over five years. And I had

1451
01:41:23,695 --> 01:41:26,975
to go back to my original assessment saying, is the

1452
01:41:27,076 --> 01:41:29,855
citizen of Kelowna getting good value? Even for a 1.

1453
01:41:29,876 --> 01:41:32,735
1 million dollar contract versus a 1. 8 million dollar

1454
01:41:32,756 --> 01:41:35,695
contract. And in my mind, it couldn't justify that the

1455
01:41:35,735 --> 01:41:39,775
value is there. And therefore trying to keep my conservative

1456
01:41:40,436 --> 01:41:44,227
financial hat on. I didn't support it. But that's the

1457
01:41:44,267 --> 01:41:48,987
reason I went the root idea as opposed to, I

1458
01:41:48,987 --> 01:41:53,471
fully understand the direction councillor Weber recommended. Councillor Hodge, you

1459
01:41:53,471 --> 01:41:58,211
have comments. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Yes. I think for

1460
01:41:58,232 --> 01:42:01,607
the input. It's really helped me a lot. Honestly, I

1461
01:42:01,607 --> 01:42:03,767
know of all this until. And I am going to

1462
01:42:03,828 --> 01:42:08,047
be putting my support pan off from two. I think,

1463
01:42:08,047 --> 01:42:12,031
uh, the best of both worlds. From small worlds as

1464
01:42:12,071 --> 01:42:18,133
they are. And I think it's the best gamble as

1465
01:42:18,133 --> 01:42:19,653
far as I'm concerned. So I would be going with

1466
01:42:19,754 --> 01:42:22,213
option to Mr. Mayor. Thank you, kind of. Thank you.

1467
01:42:22,234 --> 01:42:24,293
So seeing no for the comments, there is a motion

1468
01:42:24,293 --> 01:42:26,213
on the floor. I'm going to look for all those

1469
01:42:26,394 --> 01:42:31,200
in favor. Please certainly city clerk, please. Thank you, worship.

1470
01:42:31,200 --> 01:42:33,280
So the motion is that council receives the report for

1471
01:42:33,280 --> 01:42:36,640
information. That council enters into a fringe area planning agreement

1472
01:42:36,680 --> 01:42:40,220
with the regional district of central Okunogan for 2026. And

1473
01:42:40,220 --> 01:42:42,400
that council direct staff to give notice to the regional

1474
01:42:42,421 --> 01:42:46,000
district board to opt out of participation in electoral area

1475
01:42:46,101 --> 01:42:50,960
planning services by August 31st, 2026. And that is in

1476
01:42:50,960 --> 01:42:53,840
accordance with option three, just for clarity. That's, sorry, that's

1477
01:42:53,840 --> 01:42:57,000
option three. So I'm looking for, that's option three. So

1478
01:42:57,000 --> 01:43:02,318
all those in favor opposed. So that does not carry.

1479
01:43:02,318 --> 01:43:05,118
Thank you, councillor. So there was a request to address

1480
01:43:05,379 --> 01:43:07,758
one of the other options. I'm going to lean into

1481
01:43:07,779 --> 01:43:12,298
the city clerk to look at, um, if we, uh,

1482
01:43:12,419 --> 01:43:16,638
can move potentially for a consideration of that other option.

1483
01:43:16,638 --> 01:43:18,158
And if so, could you please read that other option

1484
01:43:18,198 --> 01:43:21,198
out? Thank you, Riship. So should council wish to consider

1485
01:43:21,699 --> 01:43:25,358
option two today. You're free to do so. Um, and

1486
01:43:25,539 --> 01:43:29,998
so by way of actual resolution, the first two items

1487
01:43:30,019 --> 01:43:32,638
would be the same. So for council to receive the

1488
01:43:32,819 --> 01:43:36,238
report from the audit committee for information to enter into

1489
01:43:36,419 --> 01:43:40,238
a fringe area planning agreement for 2026. And that encompasses

1490
01:43:40,739 --> 01:43:45,598
all areas. Uh, that's essentially how, how it's currently operating.

1491
01:43:45,598 --> 01:43:47,918
And then that council direct staff to engage with the

1492
01:43:47,939 --> 01:43:51,118
regional district of the central Okanagan staff on an agreement

1493
01:43:51,139 --> 01:43:54,558
for only the Kelowna and Kelowna and lake country fringe

1494
01:43:54,739 --> 01:43:58,718
planning areas for 2027 onward in accordance with option two

1495
01:43:59,459 --> 01:44:02,878
and to report back to council. Uh, and council, just

1496
01:44:02,878 --> 01:44:06,398
for, for added clarity, the Kelowna and clona and lake

1497
01:44:06,398 --> 01:44:08,798
country fringe planning areas, I've, Robert, if you can go

1498
01:44:08,798 --> 01:44:12,158
back to the PowerPoint that shows those, those are the

1499
01:44:12,499 --> 01:44:15,918
pink and green with the yellow stars on them on

1500
01:44:15,939 --> 01:44:19,438
this slide. Thank you. So council, do I have a

1501
01:44:19,478 --> 01:44:22,318
mover of this move by Councillor Weber, seconded by Councillor

1502
01:44:22,339 --> 01:44:30,143
Lovegrove. Do I have comments. Um, counts their stack. Yeah.

1503
01:44:30,143 --> 01:44:32,603
Um, I liked the first option that was on the

1504
01:44:32,603 --> 01:44:34,783
floor better, but I will support this because I think

1505
01:44:34,804 --> 01:44:41,103
it's better than leaving nothing amended. So as a compromise,

1506
01:44:41,103 --> 01:44:46,198
I would support it. Uh, any other comments. Counter to

1507
01:44:46,238 --> 01:44:51,683
heart. Thank your worst. Thanks, your worship my light. Okay.

1508
01:44:51,944 --> 01:44:57,203
Yeah. Um, basically, um, option two, it says enter agreement

1509
01:44:57,203 --> 01:45:00,803
for 2026 only. And I, and I'm comfortable with that.

1510
01:45:00,803 --> 01:45:02,723
If it had said anything more, now I know that

1511
01:45:02,744 --> 01:45:04,963
we're going to work on a new agreement, but that

1512
01:45:05,003 --> 01:45:09,583
doesn't mean that we can go back on, you know,

1513
01:45:09,583 --> 01:45:13,043
and do different agreements. Because it's a remainder. And who

1514
01:45:13,083 --> 01:45:15,683
knows that that'll come up with. I think once we

1515
01:45:15,784 --> 01:45:18,963
know that we would like some changes regardless of what

1516
01:45:18,963 --> 01:45:22,403
they are, I think having a compromise on those would

1517
01:45:22,403 --> 01:45:25,840
be good. So I'm okay with option two right now.

1518
01:45:25,840 --> 01:45:29,560
But I think there's a lot, uh, we're going to

1519
01:45:29,560 --> 01:45:31,760
have to really do some digging for 20, you know,

1520
01:45:31,861 --> 01:45:34,480
after 2026 and decide what exactly we're going to do

1521
01:45:34,480 --> 01:45:37,120
for 27 to 30. And I think that might even

1522
01:45:37,141 --> 01:45:42,046
change a bit. Thank you. Councillor, Councillor Cannon. Thank you.

1523
01:45:42,227 --> 01:45:44,526
The fact that this is, you know, for the year,

1524
01:45:44,526 --> 01:45:47,086
we can look forward to Councillor Hoyt said a new

1525
01:45:47,187 --> 01:45:50,366
council. We'll have maybe some different perspectives. I think we

1526
01:45:50,366 --> 01:45:53,406
need to look at the regional planning. Other regional components,

1527
01:45:53,406 --> 01:45:57,306
even recreation component, transportation as we study all these. And

1528
01:45:57,306 --> 01:45:59,966
maybe the funding from some of those other programs we're

1529
01:46:00,006 --> 01:46:05,246
in were reduced. And overall, the dollar impact might be

1530
01:46:06,307 --> 01:46:07,966
both the same. And we get better value for the

1531
01:46:07,987 --> 01:46:12,926
taxpayers. Thank you. Councillor Walbridge, please. Thanks to worship. Um,

1532
01:46:12,926 --> 01:46:15,566
yeah, I think wherever we landed with option to give

1533
01:46:15,606 --> 01:46:18,606
us some, some insurance that the interests of Kelowna can

1534
01:46:18,606 --> 01:46:21,246
be upheld at the board table, the regional growth strategy

1535
01:46:21,286 --> 01:46:24,046
is great. It's a, it's a guiding document. Um, but

1536
01:46:24,227 --> 01:46:27,246
it's not a decision making document. It doesn't override individual

1537
01:46:27,267 --> 01:46:32,206
OCPs or residents or partner municipalities. So, um, that is

1538
01:46:32,206 --> 01:46:35,806
a great document to guide discussion and growth. Um, but

1539
01:46:35,987 --> 01:46:38,446
this, I think, gives us, um, we've done our due

1540
01:46:38,467 --> 01:46:40,446
diligence to make sure that we aren't paying for things

1541
01:46:40,467 --> 01:46:44,286
we don't need. Um, but also gives us insurance that,

1542
01:46:44,286 --> 01:46:46,286
um, if things are being built on our borders that

1543
01:46:46,286 --> 01:46:48,206
we do have some input around the regional board table

1544
01:46:48,307 --> 01:46:51,508
can actually vote on them. Thank you. Any other comments

1545
01:46:52,409 --> 01:46:55,428
just before we go to a vote. As I had

1546
01:46:55,428 --> 01:46:57,508
shown in my vote, I would have preferred to have

1547
01:46:57,529 --> 01:47:01,428
option three, but I completely understand with regards to council.

1548
01:47:01,428 --> 01:47:03,908
And the direction that they're going, I felt there was

1549
01:47:04,009 --> 01:47:08,148
strong enough, um, strong enough backbone behind the idea that

1550
01:47:08,729 --> 01:47:11,428
the official community plans are in place. The coordination of

1551
01:47:11,689 --> 01:47:15,188
basically discussion in between them, uh, the centre where water

1552
01:47:15,228 --> 01:47:16,788
comes from and all the rest of that, that we're

1553
01:47:16,828 --> 01:47:18,948
well aware of whether or not there's growth happening in

1554
01:47:18,988 --> 01:47:22,308
these particular areas. I think there needs to be even

1555
01:47:22,308 --> 01:47:25,908
with going into this agreement, a complete and stronger understanding

1556
01:47:25,948 --> 01:47:29,268
of what this agreement does for all of the communities.

1557
01:47:29,268 --> 01:47:31,108
Um, and going through it, it doesn't seem to have

1558
01:47:31,129 --> 01:47:33,828
the depth that it needs. And also the timelines with

1559
01:47:33,849 --> 01:47:36,468
regards to renewals and all the rest of that, which

1560
01:47:36,649 --> 01:47:39,088
has brought this to the forefront and was not, you

1561
01:47:39,088 --> 01:47:42,948
know, potentially properly addressed. Um, so I think all of

1562
01:47:42,948 --> 01:47:46,388
that needs to happen. And, um, in agreement that it

1563
01:47:46,388 --> 01:47:48,068
ends up being, we came to a consensus on this

1564
01:47:48,068 --> 01:47:50,628
and moving it forward. So saying that we are looking

1565
01:47:50,668 --> 01:47:53,428
for option number two. I am going to ask all

1566
01:47:53,468 --> 01:47:57,440
in favor. Opposed. And thank you, counsel for that discussion.

1567
01:47:57,440 --> 01:48:03,532
And Robert, thank you. Your worship that brings us to

1568
01:48:03,553 --> 01:48:06,092
item 6. 2 on the agenda. And we have staff

1569
01:48:06,113 --> 01:48:09,452
from financial services to present on an update to the

1570
01:48:09,633 --> 01:48:10,572
value for money program.

1571
01:48:32,206 --> 01:48:36,545
Good afternoon, Shelly. Good afternoon. Your warship. And members of

1572
01:48:36,646 --> 01:48:41,092
council. Today I'll be providing an update on the city's

1573
01:48:41,132 --> 01:48:45,412
value for money program, highlighting the program's progress and benefits

1574
01:48:45,513 --> 01:48:52,503
to date. The city transition, the value for money program

1575
01:48:52,684 --> 01:48:55,463
to an in - house model in November of 2022.

1576
01:48:57,313 --> 01:49:00,172
The intent of that change was to increase our internal

1577
01:49:00,273 --> 01:49:05,452
capacity, improve follow - up on recommendations, and move towards

1578
01:49:06,113 --> 01:49:09,652
continuous improvement model rather than relying on point - in

1579
01:49:09,652 --> 01:49:15,919
- time external reviews. Since the transition, the program has

1580
01:49:15,940 --> 01:49:21,518
produced three important outcomes. First, increased output with more engagements

1581
01:49:21,539 --> 01:49:27,349
completed each year. Second, improved oversight through structured follow -

1582
01:49:27,349 --> 01:49:32,789
up and ongoing monitoring. And third, enhanced accountability through clear

1583
01:49:32,810 --> 01:49:36,389
action plans and regular reporting to the audit committee and

1584
01:49:36,389 --> 01:49:41,753
council. A key strength of the program is that it

1585
01:49:41,793 --> 01:49:47,434
follows a consistent methodology across all engagements. This includes planning,

1586
01:49:47,474 --> 01:49:52,074
execution, reporting, and follow - up. Planning is supported by

1587
01:49:52,255 --> 01:49:55,354
a rolling three - year engagement plan that's based on

1588
01:49:55,535 --> 01:49:59,274
risk and significance, along with input from the senior leadership

1589
01:49:59,535 --> 01:50:03,851
and the audit committee. Engagements are then carried out or

1590
01:50:03,851 --> 01:50:08,171
executed through a consistent approach with results reported to the

1591
01:50:08,272 --> 01:50:13,415
audit committee and council. And then tracked through ongoing monitoring

1592
01:50:13,676 --> 01:50:18,953
and structured follow - up. To date the program has

1593
01:50:19,054 --> 01:50:25,221
issued 40 recommendations with 62 associated action plans. These action

1594
01:50:25,261 --> 01:50:29,381
plans are key. They move the work beyond identifying opportunities

1595
01:50:30,122 --> 01:50:34,912
and into implementation and improvement. They've addressed a range of

1596
01:50:34,952 --> 01:50:41,152
areas, including infrastructure delivery, infrastructure deficits, costs related to the

1597
01:50:41,192 --> 01:50:45,552
unsheltered community endowment fund alignment and strategy and capital project

1598
01:50:45,813 --> 01:50:52,471
management. Follow - up is one of the key strengths

1599
01:50:52,471 --> 01:50:55,565
of the in - house model. And there's two main

1600
01:50:55,666 --> 01:50:59,725
components. First is the follow - up tracking, which includes

1601
01:51:00,146 --> 01:51:04,125
semi - annual updates from management, monitoring the status of

1602
01:51:04,165 --> 01:51:09,405
all action plans, identifying what's complete in progress or requiring

1603
01:51:09,506 --> 01:51:13,364
attention. And finally, reporting the results annually to the audit

1604
01:51:13,364 --> 01:51:18,225
committee and council. Second are the follow - up engagements.

1605
01:51:18,225 --> 01:51:23,265
These are targeted reassessments of selected engagements. They validate the

1606
01:51:23,526 --> 01:51:27,496
action plans have been implemented. And they provide confirmation that

1607
01:51:27,677 --> 01:51:34,866
improvements are effective and sustained. Together, these processes improve transparency,

1608
01:51:34,887 --> 01:51:42,108
reinforce accountability and provide independent assurance on progress. So this

1609
01:51:42,148 --> 01:51:44,748
slide tries to compare a bit of the former outsourced

1610
01:51:44,788 --> 01:51:48,629
model with the current in - house approach. Both models

1611
01:51:49,210 --> 01:51:53,269
were structured to maintain independence. However, there are some differences

1612
01:51:53,690 --> 01:51:56,869
in how work is delivered and the level of insight

1613
01:51:56,970 --> 01:52:01,680
it provides. So under the legacy model, engagements were delivered

1614
01:52:01,720 --> 01:52:08,021
by external consultants, offering an objective perspective. Delivered an average

1615
01:52:08,061 --> 01:52:14,341
of one engagement per year. The engagements followed fixed timelines

1616
01:52:14,362 --> 01:52:20,296
and scope. Which can support predictability. But action plans were

1617
01:52:20,336 --> 01:52:24,216
not required and follow - up was usually not performed.

1618
01:52:24,957 --> 01:52:28,216
Under the current in - house model, the team maintains

1619
01:52:28,477 --> 01:52:32,696
independence while offering stronger organisational knowledge and cross - functional

1620
01:52:32,877 --> 01:52:37,322
insight. An average of three engagements have been completed per

1621
01:52:37,362 --> 01:52:42,500
year. Action plans are required and actively monitored. Follow -

1622
01:52:42,500 --> 01:52:45,140
up work is performed regularly, and the program is more

1623
01:52:45,241 --> 01:52:51,408
responsive to emerging priorities. So overall, the in - house

1624
01:52:51,429 --> 01:52:56,288
model provides continuous oversight ongoing reporting to council rather than

1625
01:52:56,549 --> 01:53:01,819
point in time reporting. So to wrap up the in

1626
01:53:01,819 --> 01:53:04,459
- house value for many program continues to strengthen the

1627
01:53:04,640 --> 01:53:10,539
city's governance and accountability framework through improved engagement capacity, enhanced

1628
01:53:10,560 --> 01:53:15,168
oversight through structured follow - up. And supports continuous improvement

1629
01:53:15,208 --> 01:53:20,541
across the organisation. Overall, the program provides counsel and senior

1630
01:53:20,581 --> 01:53:25,516
management with independent evidence - based insight. And clearer visibility

1631
01:53:25,857 --> 01:53:31,618
into whether improvements are being implemented and sustained. Thank you.

1632
01:53:31,618 --> 01:53:36,483
That concludes my presentation. Thank you. Thank you. Council, do

1633
01:53:36,483 --> 01:53:43,104
we have any questions? Councillor Lovegrowth. Thanks, you worship. And

1634
01:53:43,104 --> 01:53:46,404
I really appreciate this report. Thank you very much. So

1635
01:53:47,385 --> 01:53:49,364
one thing I don't see in here is talking about

1636
01:53:49,625 --> 01:53:53,124
data quality. And so the legacy, we would have a

1637
01:53:53,124 --> 01:53:56,164
consultants asking, we need this, this, this, and this. Can

1638
01:53:56,204 --> 01:53:58,244
you get it for us? And then there'd be a

1639
01:53:58,345 --> 01:54:00,224
pause and staff would get what they could get. And

1640
01:54:00,224 --> 01:54:02,564
it went back and forth until the consultant was satisfied.

1641
01:54:03,038 --> 01:54:05,817
They had all the stuff they needed. Is that the

1642
01:54:05,918 --> 01:54:12,653
clumsiness of the process previously in the legacy. Yes, to

1643
01:54:12,653 --> 01:54:15,413
an extent. I think that fairly describes what the process

1644
01:54:15,514 --> 01:54:18,933
would look like. Right. Whereas if you've got inside staff

1645
01:54:18,933 --> 01:54:21,813
doing this, then it's an easier transfer. And it's also

1646
01:54:21,834 --> 01:54:25,093
controlled in terms of confidentiality and anything else. So it's

1647
01:54:25,194 --> 01:54:28,893
streamlined data transfer. Is that a fair comment? That's a

1648
01:54:28,893 --> 01:54:31,413
fair comment. Yeah. And the quality of data, same in

1649
01:54:31,413 --> 01:54:34,233
both cases. It would be the same in both cases.

1650
01:54:34,233 --> 01:54:37,833
Okay. And then did we add staff? Oh, sorry, did

1651
01:54:37,873 --> 01:54:40,094
someone want to say something? I'm sorry. Nope. I just

1652
01:54:40,094 --> 01:54:44,334
saw a look over somewhere. I wasn't sure. The cost

1653
01:54:45,715 --> 01:54:47,934
of the program, one, the legacy would be an outside

1654
01:54:48,035 --> 01:54:52,174
contract that would have a beginning and an end for

1655
01:54:52,174 --> 01:54:55,934
internal. Did we add staff to begin this process in

1656
01:54:55,974 --> 01:55:00,352
- house? Selling Mr. Sass, please. Thank you, your worship.

1657
01:55:00,352 --> 01:55:03,392
Uh, it was a combination. There's three people on the

1658
01:55:03,413 --> 01:55:06,032
team right now. Two of them were redeployed from internal

1659
01:55:06,133 --> 01:55:08,512
finance staff. Uh, when we came in and moved things

1660
01:55:08,533 --> 01:55:11,852
around a little bit, uh, and there's currently one, uh,

1661
01:55:12,133 --> 01:55:15,232
two year term. That was approved through council. Um, that

1662
01:55:15,232 --> 01:55:17,872
will be up, I believe after next year. So there's

1663
01:55:17,872 --> 01:55:20,832
one additional temporary resource that was approved as part of

1664
01:55:20,832 --> 01:55:25,712
this, uh, to be relitigated next year. Okay. So is

1665
01:55:25,752 --> 01:55:28,777
it a fair interpretation. Thank you Mr. Sass. Your worship

1666
01:55:29,198 --> 01:55:35,202
one net. Staff edition on a two year contract. That's

1667
01:55:35,223 --> 01:55:39,242
correct your worship. Okay. Thank you. And then, um. Follow

1668
01:55:39,282 --> 01:55:44,842
up. I'm really surprised that once a department doesn't get

1669
01:55:44,882 --> 01:55:48,522
whatever, whoever's audited, whether it was an internal experiment, that

1670
01:55:48,543 --> 01:55:51,642
somebody in - house isn't in charge or doing that

1671
01:55:51,983 --> 01:55:55,402
once a year follow - up. Is that something at

1672
01:55:55,402 --> 01:55:57,482
least theoretically that we could have done or should have

1673
01:55:57,482 --> 01:56:03,148
done, maybe. Mr. Sass, please. Thank your worship. It's a

1674
01:56:03,148 --> 01:56:06,748
good question. It's really the difference between, um, an internal

1675
01:56:07,009 --> 01:56:10,028
and an external model. So for, for medium and large

1676
01:56:10,068 --> 01:56:13,548
size organisations, uh, and internal audit function, we call it

1677
01:56:13,548 --> 01:56:17,308
our value for money function, uh, is actually a core

1678
01:56:17,409 --> 01:56:21,388
part of the governance process. Um, and with the establishment

1679
01:56:21,428 --> 01:56:24,188
of an internal audit function, there are professional standards that

1680
01:56:24,209 --> 01:56:26,748
we are required to meet, uh, and part of that

1681
01:56:26,849 --> 01:56:29,788
would be ongoing follow - ups and regularly reporting through

1682
01:56:30,529 --> 01:56:34,588
audit committee and through, um, council. And so, um, it

1683
01:56:34,609 --> 01:56:38,028
is unquestionably a better practice to do it. Um, but

1684
01:56:38,129 --> 01:56:41,348
we had historically not had that, um, as part of

1685
01:56:41,348 --> 01:56:44,668
our overall governance framework. And when this council came in,

1686
01:56:44,668 --> 01:56:46,268
uh, and I came in, we, we made that change.

1687
01:56:46,615 --> 01:56:50,034
Okay. Thank you for that. You're worshiping. I think it's

1688
01:56:50,055 --> 01:56:52,434
fair to say we're receiving this for information. But going

1689
01:56:52,535 --> 01:56:55,474
forward, that sounds to me like a great lesson learned,

1690
01:56:55,474 --> 01:56:57,154
no matter which way we do going forward. So thank

1691
01:56:57,194 --> 01:57:01,715
you, worship. Council Walberge, please. Thanks to worship. And thanks

1692
01:57:01,755 --> 01:57:04,115
to the team for this, uh, this program. It's been,

1693
01:57:04,115 --> 01:57:06,915
it's been helpful over the, over the course of this

1694
01:57:06,955 --> 01:57:10,915
term. One question when we talk about continued improvement, um,

1695
01:57:11,576 --> 01:57:15,075
that I've pondered, um, as we look to expand the

1696
01:57:15,115 --> 01:57:17,635
value for money program is how do we quantify social

1697
01:57:17,736 --> 01:57:26,976
capital versus monetary. Mr. Sass, please. Thank you.

1698
01:57:27,157 --> 01:57:30,736
Workshop. So for a value, so far we've done largely

1699
01:57:30,837 --> 01:57:33,616
value for, for money engagements. And so if, if we

1700
01:57:33,656 --> 01:57:38,136
were to look at, um, valuing social capital, I would

1701
01:57:38,136 --> 01:57:40,096
say it changes the nature of the engagement a little

1702
01:57:40,096 --> 01:57:42,656
bit from like a core value for money to what

1703
01:57:42,696 --> 01:57:45,536
I would call like a performance, uh, engagement. Uh, and

1704
01:57:45,877 --> 01:57:48,736
through that scoping of that engagement, you would identify the

1705
01:57:48,776 --> 01:57:53,056
criteria to audit against social capital. Uh, I don't know

1706
01:57:53,056 --> 01:57:55,616
that that's been our, our focus of the program to

1707
01:57:55,656 --> 01:57:57,616
date. But in the future, if we did, it would

1708
01:57:57,616 --> 01:58:01,056
be a different set of, um, standards that we would

1709
01:58:01,077 --> 01:58:03,696
adhere to through what would be called again, more of

1710
01:58:03,696 --> 01:58:07,904
a performance audit versus a financial audit. Thanks for that.

1711
01:58:07,904 --> 01:58:09,184
And I think it's something that we need to consider

1712
01:58:09,605 --> 01:58:12,544
because while we're sustained by business principles, we're not a

1713
01:58:12,544 --> 01:58:15,264
private corporation. Um, so we need to make sure that,

1714
01:58:15,264 --> 01:58:19,104
uh, when we're investing, whether that's through taxation or, or

1715
01:58:19,205 --> 01:58:21,644
staff time, that it does have a social impact. For

1716
01:58:21,644 --> 01:58:23,744
example, arts and culture, um, are never going to turn

1717
01:58:23,845 --> 01:58:27,424
a profit. Um, you know, supporting people in poverty are

1718
01:58:27,464 --> 01:58:30,183
never going to turn a prophet. Um, but we know

1719
01:58:30,183 --> 01:58:33,383
that an emergencies that social capital are what to actually

1720
01:58:33,964 --> 01:58:37,463
sustain resilience in communities. So, um, while I support value

1721
01:58:37,484 --> 01:58:39,543
for money, I don't want it to be lost on

1722
01:58:39,543 --> 01:58:43,063
us that, um, as a government organisation, as public servants

1723
01:58:43,103 --> 01:58:46,343
that we need to be focused on building social capital,

1724
01:58:46,343 --> 01:58:53,311
especially for underprivileged. Thank you. Uh, Councillor Weber, do you

1725
01:58:53,311 --> 01:58:56,511
have, uh, just a comment. So just comments and we

1726
01:58:56,511 --> 01:58:59,962
just had comments now. Um, so seeing that, I'll get

1727
01:58:59,962 --> 01:59:04,122
this moved, please. And seconded it, thank you. Uh, comments,

1728
01:59:04,122 --> 01:59:08,042
councillor Weber comment. Well, I thought we were at comments.

1729
01:59:08,042 --> 01:59:12,762
Yeah, just, you know, when it first, when I first

1730
01:59:12,762 --> 01:59:15,562
learned about the value for audit and so forth, and

1731
01:59:15,743 --> 01:59:17,882
the process, you know, I kind of had the feeling

1732
01:59:17,922 --> 01:59:20,282
when I was first on council that, no, yeah, we're

1733
01:59:20,282 --> 01:59:22,122
going to have the city reporting on the city and

1734
01:59:22,162 --> 01:59:23,802
they're going to come back saying, boy, the city's doing

1735
01:59:23,802 --> 01:59:27,002
great every time. And but being on the audit committee

1736
01:59:27,423 --> 01:59:30,122
and seeing how they burrow into the various projects and

1737
01:59:30,143 --> 01:59:32,442
how money could have been spent better or how the

1738
01:59:32,442 --> 01:59:33,762
setup could have been better or the follow - up

1739
01:59:33,762 --> 01:59:35,882
could have been better. And I have a great deal

1740
01:59:35,922 --> 01:59:37,642
more confidence about it. And I think in terms of

1741
01:59:37,663 --> 01:59:41,882
what, um, councillor, well Ridge was saying, you know, it's

1742
01:59:41,903 --> 01:59:44,762
not necessarily in my mind a matter of value for

1743
01:59:44,802 --> 01:59:47,882
money. Should we spend the money? It's the money that's

1744
01:59:47,882 --> 01:59:49,402
being spent. And are we getting the most out of

1745
01:59:49,402 --> 01:59:52,682
it? Which does benefit things like arts and places that

1746
01:59:52,863 --> 01:59:54,962
things that aren't necessarily profitable. But if we're going to

1747
01:59:54,962 --> 01:59:56,842
put mining in to help them, are we doing it

1748
01:59:56,863 --> 01:59:59,562
in the best way? Right. And so I don't think

1749
02:00:00,383 --> 02:00:02,922
value for money is saying not have that, not have

1750
02:00:02,962 --> 02:00:06,042
the department or the money necessarily. Right. That's just my

1751
02:00:06,143 --> 02:00:10,232
comment. Thank you. Thank you. Any other comments. Just closing

1752
02:00:10,272 --> 02:00:13,572
up with regards to myself on this. This is, um,

1753
02:00:14,413 --> 02:00:17,352
an action that the audit committee has been involved in.

1754
02:00:18,575 --> 02:00:20,634
Um, when you look at the number of reports that

1755
02:00:20,655 --> 02:00:23,674
have been completed and the decisions on what should be

1756
02:00:23,855 --> 02:00:27,674
audited within this city. Um, it's played a key role

1757
02:00:28,015 --> 02:00:32,554
in understanding, um, the transparency and the accountability of the

1758
02:00:32,655 --> 02:00:36,954
services that we offer. Everything from potential cash at the

1759
02:00:36,975 --> 02:00:41,194
landfill through to cash at Parkinson recreation centre through to

1760
02:00:41,194 --> 02:00:44,474
all of those other monetary type of items. This council

1761
02:00:44,815 --> 02:00:47,994
made a choice to look at needing to make certain

1762
02:00:48,015 --> 02:00:50,714
that it ends up being, we did these money for

1763
02:00:50,735 --> 02:00:53,194
value audits. And we did these internal out. So we'd

1764
02:00:53,194 --> 02:00:56,154
advance them. If there is a different lens that we

1765
02:00:56,154 --> 02:00:58,114
need to kind of put on this, whether it be

1766
02:00:58,335 --> 02:01:00,474
a social or something like that, that would be something

1767
02:01:00,495 --> 02:01:03,274
that probably would come up at a council priority session

1768
02:01:03,935 --> 02:01:05,834
so that it ends up being that we have exactly

1769
02:01:06,175 --> 02:01:09,754
to know exactly what we're doing. But through our term

1770
02:01:10,015 --> 02:01:13,554
of basically the last, you know, period of time, it

1771
02:01:13,554 --> 02:01:15,834
has been extremely valuable to go through all of the

1772
02:01:15,874 --> 02:01:18,954
different areas to make sure. And I thank Mr. Sass

1773
02:01:19,055 --> 02:01:21,274
and his team, uh, for the work that they've done

1774
02:01:21,535 --> 02:01:24,154
to look at, uh, putting together these value for money

1775
02:01:24,175 --> 02:01:27,114
audits because they have made that accountability that much more

1776
02:01:27,154 --> 02:01:30,474
important on the Capitol that we're spending. So thank you,

1777
02:01:30,575 --> 02:01:33,114
Shelly. Marina for the work that you have done. Saying

1778
02:01:33,114 --> 02:01:36,714
that council, all in favor, receiving this report opposed. Thank

1779
02:01:36,714 --> 02:01:38,234
you. And to the both of you, thank you very

1780
02:01:38,234 --> 02:01:42,858
much. All three of you. Thank you very much. Now

1781
02:01:42,879 --> 02:01:45,178
on item 6. 3 on the agenda and we have

1782
02:01:45,199 --> 02:01:47,898
staff from the social development department to present on a

1783
02:01:47,898 --> 02:01:56,926
proposed expansion of the community care program. Good afternoon, Colleen.

1784
02:02:15,885 --> 02:02:18,984
In response to, uh, recent direction from council. I'm pleased

1785
02:02:19,024 --> 02:02:21,544
today to bring forward a report on the community care

1786
02:02:21,645 --> 02:02:26,644
project. Uh, the resolutions on the screen before you, uh,

1787
02:02:27,565 --> 02:02:36,615
provide the basis for today's short presentation. As council may

1788
02:02:36,636 --> 02:02:41,015
recall, the community care program was initiated in 2024 through

1789
02:02:41,036 --> 02:02:45,895
the city's service agreement with people lived experience society and

1790
02:02:45,935 --> 02:02:48,775
joining us today is Wes from people lived experience. Thank

1791
02:02:48,775 --> 02:02:51,895
you very much for being in attendance today. The program

1792
02:02:52,236 --> 02:02:58,455
began in December of 2024 down, sorry, began in 2024

1793
02:02:59,036 --> 02:03:02,935
in downtown Kelowna. And then later that year expanded to

1794
02:03:02,956 --> 02:03:07,897
the Rutland business district. This program was co - created.

1795
02:03:08,770 --> 02:03:14,197
By people and the city's social development. Department and provides

1796
02:03:14,778 --> 02:03:21,196
peer - supported work opportunities for individuals experiencing homelessness. Through

1797
02:03:21,196 --> 02:03:26,252
the program, participants are paired with pure navigators. For one

1798
02:03:26,353 --> 02:03:31,292
hour shifts focused on litter pickup and general cleanup in

1799
02:03:31,292 --> 02:03:36,353
assigned areas. In addition to improving neighbourhood cleanliness, the program

1800
02:03:36,454 --> 02:03:41,393
is designed to support social connections, confidence building, and pathways

1801
02:03:41,654 --> 02:03:46,418
back to employment. Funding for the current service is provided

1802
02:03:46,439 --> 02:03:52,438
through the social development department's based budget. You'll see on

1803
02:03:52,459 --> 02:03:55,398
the screen before you, what our current service delivery model

1804
02:03:55,398 --> 02:04:00,038
is. The program is incredibly popular with both downtown and

1805
02:04:00,219 --> 02:04:04,758
Rutland locations consistently having to turn folks away, uh, that

1806
02:04:05,259 --> 02:04:11,176
are prospective participants. Program guidelines have been altered to meet

1807
02:04:11,277 --> 02:04:14,376
this demand to ensure that as many people as possible

1808
02:04:15,197 --> 02:04:20,927
can participate. For example, we are of prioritized folks who

1809
02:04:20,948 --> 02:04:24,847
haven't previously been involved to make sure that we have

1810
02:04:25,188 --> 02:04:31,603
more and more individuals take part. Current service delivery provided

1811
02:04:31,643 --> 02:04:36,340
in the Rutland business district. Is three days a week,

1812
02:04:36,340 --> 02:04:38,875
two shifts per day. For 10 months of the year.

1813
02:04:40,187 --> 02:04:43,686
Shifts are approximately one hour in length and include five

1814
02:04:43,707 --> 02:04:47,825
team members. Of note, the shifts are not pre -

1815
02:04:47,825 --> 02:04:52,145
assigned. And terms of, uh, who will take part individuals

1816
02:04:52,406 --> 02:04:56,305
interested in working can intend this schedule locations for selection.

1817
02:04:57,849 --> 02:05:01,188
I'll note that the cleanup roots are typically around transit

1818
02:05:02,489 --> 02:05:04,868
because most of the participants rely on this mode of

1819
02:05:04,868 --> 02:05:12,405
transportation to and from. Your consideration today is a proposed

1820
02:05:12,445 --> 02:05:18,061
program expansion for Rutland. Staff are seeking budget to support

1821
02:05:18,061 --> 02:05:22,701
the expansion of services, specifically to five days per week

1822
02:05:23,602 --> 02:05:27,821
extending delivery through to the end of 2026 with an

1823
02:05:27,842 --> 02:05:36,467
associated budget request of 34, 000 dollars. To support this

1824
02:05:36,568 --> 02:05:39,907
request, I'd like to just share briefly some information regarding

1825
02:05:39,947 --> 02:05:43,903
the impact of this program. The stats on the screen

1826
02:05:43,924 --> 02:05:46,943
before you are from the first quarter of this year.

1827
02:05:47,891 --> 02:05:50,510
In addition to this data, however, I can share over

1828
02:05:50,550 --> 02:05:54,110
the course of the last 12 months, cleaning efforts in

1829
02:05:54,211 --> 02:05:59,310
downtown and in the rutland districts have involved nearly 2,

1830
02:05:59,331 --> 02:06:03,842
500 hours of participant work. Collection of roughly the volume

1831
02:06:03,863 --> 02:06:08,482
of 35 full - sized pickup truck beds filled to

1832
02:06:08,522 --> 02:06:13,060
the top with litter. And in terms of collection of

1833
02:06:13,241 --> 02:06:17,060
sharps and glass, the teams have collected roughly the volume

1834
02:06:17,081 --> 02:06:21,126
of eight water coolers full. But there's more to this

1835
02:06:21,227 --> 02:06:25,889
story than just the collection of waste. Feedback from our

1836
02:06:25,990 --> 02:06:32,049
participants, service providers, and the community reveals promising social returns

1837
02:06:32,089 --> 02:06:38,057
on investment. Michael, who is part of our people program,

1838
02:06:38,057 --> 02:06:40,457
one of the peer navigators, has shared with us that

1839
02:06:40,478 --> 02:06:47,177
through the project, we're seeing increasing positive connections, providing motivation,

1840
02:06:47,278 --> 02:06:51,563
boosting self - worth. It's also contributed to the transitions

1841
02:06:51,603 --> 02:06:56,435
of folks into employment and housing. He shares that numerous

1842
02:06:56,456 --> 02:07:01,795
participants have felt empowered to develop new friendships, build confidence,

1843
02:07:01,835 --> 02:07:05,155
and improve their self - worth. And the program has

1844
02:07:05,155 --> 02:07:08,995
contributed to individuals finding more stable employment and even finding

1845
02:07:09,976 --> 02:07:15,499
housing to transition out of homelessness. Couple of quick highlights.

1846
02:07:15,499 --> 02:07:19,179
As one peer navigator shared, and I quote, I ran

1847
02:07:19,219 --> 02:07:21,419
into a man who had done the program quite a

1848
02:07:21,419 --> 02:07:25,656
bit, but we never saw him again. Then suddenly he

1849
02:07:26,237 --> 02:07:30,136
approached us very excited and thanked us for helping to

1850
02:07:30,317 --> 02:07:34,136
remind him that even though he is struggling, he can

1851
02:07:34,176 --> 02:07:37,804
still work and do something with his time. He got

1852
02:07:37,844 --> 02:07:39,964
a job as a roofer and has been working there

1853
02:07:40,225 --> 02:07:44,204
ever since. Another peer navigator reported that in the first

1854
02:07:44,225 --> 02:07:48,364
quarter of this year, they received nine requests for job

1855
02:07:48,385 --> 02:07:54,113
references. And out of those four employers reached out. 17

1856
02:07:54,214 --> 02:07:58,993
program participants are actively seeking employment beyond the program and

1857
02:07:58,993 --> 02:08:01,553
approximately 20 people in the first quarter of this year

1858
02:08:01,974 --> 02:08:08,102
have gone on to temporary agencies. Lastly, we hear about

1859
02:08:08,123 --> 02:08:13,325
the pathways to recovery. In the fall of 2025, at

1860
02:08:13,325 --> 02:08:18,285
least six participants that we're aware of have been accessed

1861
02:08:18,466 --> 02:08:26,191
treatment and participants have moved into successful housing. As indicated

1862
02:08:26,231 --> 02:08:30,831
in the written report, council's support with council's support, staff

1863
02:08:30,831 --> 02:08:35,871
will advance the exploration, uh, for a 2027 expansion as

1864
02:08:35,871 --> 02:08:40,911
well. Um, potentially to advance this program in Rutland and

1865
02:08:40,951 --> 02:08:43,951
in the downtown core, uh, which align with the mayor's

1866
02:08:43,951 --> 02:08:46,831
task force recommendation on crime and safety. And what we

1867
02:08:46,871 --> 02:08:51,204
heard earlier this year at the business forum. I'd like

1868
02:08:51,204 --> 02:08:55,124
to reiterate a great appreciation for people and all of

1869
02:08:55,124 --> 02:09:00,084
their participants, their dedication to this work. And importantly, their

1870
02:09:00,124 --> 02:09:04,244
drive for the city and our partners to rethink service

1871
02:09:04,284 --> 02:09:09,469
delivery. To incorporate wherever possible the voices of lived and

1872
02:09:09,509 --> 02:09:13,229
living experience in the way we develop and deliver services

1873
02:09:13,330 --> 02:09:17,591
in our community. Your worship, that concludes my presentation. Colleen,

1874
02:09:17,591 --> 02:09:21,991
thank you very much for that council. Um, questions first,

1875
02:09:21,991 --> 02:09:23,911
if the questions more so than comments, we can go

1876
02:09:23,911 --> 02:09:27,111
to comments after that, councillor Hodge questions. Thank you, Mr.

1877
02:09:27,132 --> 02:09:31,271
Mayor. Um, great presentation. Glad to see it. Thank you.

1878
02:09:31,929 --> 02:09:39,366
Um, the 34, 000 tagged through the entire program. Let's

1879
02:09:39,406 --> 02:09:41,846
try to figure it out. That's to you your worship,

1880
02:09:41,846 --> 02:09:44,486
the 34, 000 would be to expand from three days

1881
02:09:44,526 --> 02:09:48,306
to five days of service delivery in Rutland. And, uh,

1882
02:09:48,347 --> 02:09:50,806
that would go instead of just till October, it would

1883
02:09:50,806 --> 02:09:53,346
go to the end of December. Well, so I was

1884
02:09:53,346 --> 02:09:55,886
going to ask, it was like, now what happens, or

1885
02:09:55,947 --> 02:09:58,639
are you going to go in year round. Right now,

1886
02:09:58,679 --> 02:10:01,999
both programs in Rotland and downtown only operate till the

1887
02:10:01,999 --> 02:10:05,359
end of October. Right. So it's a 10 month program.

1888
02:10:05,359 --> 02:10:07,999
Well, in the program, it says 10 months. So I

1889
02:10:07,999 --> 02:10:10,719
accustomed to you is for both foregrounds go year round.

1890
02:10:11,461 --> 02:10:14,080
The request before you is for only an expansion for

1891
02:10:14,341 --> 02:10:16,960
Rutland to the end of the year. So downtown will

1892
02:10:17,000 --> 02:10:19,440
only go till the 10 month to the end of

1893
02:10:19,461 --> 02:10:22,560
October. Okay. What too much do you not do it.

1894
02:10:23,195 --> 02:10:29,102
November and December. Called ones. I'm interested in why. The

1895
02:10:29,203 --> 02:10:32,462
current is based on service delivery is based on base

1896
02:10:32,502 --> 02:10:34,942
budget. So we were able to balance out what social

1897
02:10:34,963 --> 02:10:38,462
development had to develop those two programs. Um, and so

1898
02:10:38,563 --> 02:10:40,302
we were able to get it for a 10 month.

1899
02:10:42,286 --> 02:10:45,785
At the current service delivery. Okay. Thank you. Thank you,

1900
02:10:45,785 --> 02:10:49,345
Mr. Merritt. Thank you. Um, seeing no further questions, do

1901
02:10:49,345 --> 02:10:51,625
I have a mover, please? Move by council to heart.

1902
02:10:51,625 --> 02:10:56,425
Seconded by councillor sing comments. Councillor Stock, please. Thank you,

1903
02:10:56,425 --> 02:10:58,825
worship. And I'm so glad when this was raised a

1904
02:10:58,825 --> 02:11:00,505
couple of weeks ago that we had an opportunity to

1905
02:11:00,526 --> 02:11:02,425
have you come back with a staff report because what

1906
02:11:02,465 --> 02:11:06,185
it does is really remind myself and emphasize the good

1907
02:11:06,185 --> 02:11:09,865
work that people's doing and what a significant benefit this

1908
02:11:09,905 --> 02:11:11,705
is to the community. So I think we're all richer

1909
02:11:11,705 --> 02:11:14,825
today for hearing from you as to why this program

1910
02:11:15,086 --> 02:11:18,105
is being recommended. And I think the mayor for bringing

1911
02:11:18,126 --> 02:11:20,905
it forward because I think it is a worthwhile thing

1912
02:11:21,166 --> 02:11:23,225
and I'm very happy to support it. Um, I think

1913
02:11:23,486 --> 02:11:25,385
what it also does is give us an early heads

1914
02:11:25,385 --> 02:11:30,025
up for our budget for next year because clearly this

1915
02:11:30,065 --> 02:11:33,274
is a one - time fill the gap budget. And,

1916
02:11:33,274 --> 02:11:35,194
you know, if it goes today and the support from

1917
02:11:35,215 --> 02:11:37,674
council, it would be an indication that we may want

1918
02:11:37,714 --> 02:11:41,014
to look at this program in next year's budget, um,

1919
02:11:41,775 --> 02:11:45,034
maybe funding it beyond what we have this year. So,

1920
02:11:45,034 --> 02:11:48,534
but overall, very excited to see this program continue. And

1921
02:11:48,534 --> 02:11:51,652
thanks to all those that are behind it. Council Wolbridge,

1922
02:11:51,652 --> 02:11:54,547
please. Thanks for worship and thanks Ms. Cornock for turning

1923
02:11:54,648 --> 02:11:57,747
this report around so quickly. The work of people is

1924
02:11:57,747 --> 02:11:59,507
something I've supported for a long time. And I think

1925
02:11:59,507 --> 02:12:02,627
it's a great way of, um, addressing the social challenges

1926
02:12:02,627 --> 02:12:05,107
that we have in Kelowna. And, you know, when we

1927
02:12:05,107 --> 02:12:06,707
look at value for money, like I spoke about in

1928
02:12:06,707 --> 02:12:09,347
the last item, we look at the 34, 000 dollar

1929
02:12:09,387 --> 02:12:15,247
costs that are helping make our community more beautiful. Um,

1930
02:12:15,247 --> 02:12:17,667
and that's the social capital of connection that I was

1931
02:12:17,688 --> 02:12:19,987
referring to in the last presentation. So I think it's

1932
02:12:19,987 --> 02:12:22,627
important when we work in public service that we continue

1933
02:12:22,667 --> 02:12:25,827
to remind ourselves of that. Um, you know, when we

1934
02:12:25,827 --> 02:12:28,147
see how far 34, 000 reaches, I think it would

1935
02:12:28,147 --> 02:12:30,307
be a great budget discussion to have around how we

1936
02:12:30,347 --> 02:12:34,992
have a more equitable reach throughout the city. To incorporate

1937
02:12:35,173 --> 02:12:39,072
the people program, um, through all different neighbourhoods because that

1938
02:12:39,112 --> 02:12:42,512
social return on investment is really intangible. So I wholeheartedly

1939
02:12:42,552 --> 02:12:46,032
support this, um, look forward to, um, having that discussion

1940
02:12:46,133 --> 02:12:48,832
around the budget table around how we can incorporate this

1941
02:12:48,853 --> 02:12:52,672
into a larger base budget. Thanks for your worship. Councillor

1942
02:12:52,712 --> 02:12:55,712
Hart, please. Well, thank you, worship. This is actually one

1943
02:12:55,712 --> 02:12:59,712
of my favourite items that have come forward. And you

1944
02:12:59,712 --> 02:13:01,232
know, all you have to do is look at the

1945
02:13:02,133 --> 02:13:05,769
slide showing impact. And I think I agree with councillor

1946
02:13:06,670 --> 02:13:09,849
stack. I think when we see what's happening and we

1947
02:13:09,849 --> 02:13:12,969
see what this does that we should actually take a

1948
02:13:13,009 --> 02:13:15,289
real closer look at it. And I hope we can

1949
02:13:15,289 --> 02:13:17,809
do that in our next year's budget. Because I think

1950
02:13:18,270 --> 02:13:20,889
it's, there's no downside to this at all. There's so

1951
02:13:20,889 --> 02:13:26,089
many upsides, you know, in helping both the organisations and

1952
02:13:26,089 --> 02:13:30,545
the people. So there's just so many upsides. Councillor Cannon,

1953
02:13:30,545 --> 02:13:33,505
please. Thank you. Um, echo my colleagues comments. I did

1954
02:13:33,505 --> 02:13:35,585
have a chance to meet with the organiser earlier this

1955
02:13:35,585 --> 02:13:38,865
year. And I think one thing that really stuck on

1956
02:13:38,905 --> 02:13:41,965
the conversation is a lot of these people who are

1957
02:13:41,965 --> 02:13:45,825
trying to clean their lives around. I think everybody wants

1958
02:13:47,286 --> 02:13:50,925
an opportunity and hope and a sense of purpose. And

1959
02:13:50,925 --> 02:13:52,465
for maybe it's an hour or two a day and

1960
02:13:52,505 --> 02:13:56,785
it works as our, this cornucoluded to some people have

1961
02:13:56,966 --> 02:14:00,945
moved progressed into day jobs and, you know, they have,

1962
02:14:00,945 --> 02:14:04,705
um, build the skill set. So it's a transition. It's

1963
02:14:04,705 --> 02:14:07,345
part of a social investment. It's considerable virtual alluded to

1964
02:14:07,366 --> 02:14:10,225
intercommunity. I really applaud that. And I also want to

1965
02:14:10,246 --> 02:14:13,825
recognise other individuals in our community. There's lots that you

1966
02:14:13,825 --> 02:14:17,265
see them on a regular basis on clonarette and rave.

1967
02:14:17,265 --> 02:14:19,345
I've had people say they're, you know, the one gentleman

1968
02:14:19,366 --> 02:14:21,425
drives around in those little scooter and picks up every

1969
02:14:21,446 --> 02:14:24,305
day. And his block and another person I was in

1970
02:14:24,326 --> 02:14:27,345
Rutland with a revenge yesterday and a lady, she's telling

1971
02:14:27,385 --> 02:14:29,585
them she's almost eight years old every day. She has

1972
02:14:29,625 --> 02:14:32,065
her own little street and area that she cleans up.

1973
02:14:32,065 --> 02:14:35,905
And so everybody can help pitch in because it isn't

1974
02:14:35,926 --> 02:14:39,425
community. The cleaner community is against community pride is more

1975
02:14:39,465 --> 02:14:41,905
pelvin. So I thank you very much to Chris and

1976
02:14:42,006 --> 02:14:45,345
others in the community that, um, help make our community

1977
02:14:45,686 --> 02:14:50,933
cleaner and safer for all. Thanks. Councillor Singh, please. Thanks,

1978
02:14:50,933 --> 02:14:53,893
you worship. I just want to say every time our

1979
02:14:53,933 --> 02:14:57,333
staff member, colleague comes up, reports are so, have such

1980
02:14:57,333 --> 02:15:01,653
a human face to them. It just makes us feel

1981
02:15:01,693 --> 02:15:07,573
that though we're taking small steps forward. We're still inching

1982
02:15:07,613 --> 02:15:12,495
forward. In a positive way. This is very necessary. And

1983
02:15:12,495 --> 02:15:18,195
extending it will indicate how successful it is and want.

1984
02:15:18,195 --> 02:15:20,995
It looked like for next year, much needed rutland as

1985
02:15:20,995 --> 02:15:24,275
well. So I will be sporting this. Thank you. Thank

1986
02:15:24,275 --> 02:15:28,735
you. Um, end of comments, councillor. Just from myself, um,

1987
02:15:30,136 --> 02:15:33,155
just, did you want to, you said something, Councillor? Oh,

1988
02:15:33,195 --> 02:15:36,595
I originally asked a question because I wanted to make

1989
02:15:36,696 --> 02:15:42,641
the motion. To focus forward. It's such a fantastic. Event

1990
02:15:42,982 --> 02:15:45,761
that when I was a kid, if I let my

1991
02:15:45,801 --> 02:15:48,081
house get too messy, my dad would give me a

1992
02:15:48,121 --> 02:15:51,568
bag and a stick. Or it may whoop and down

1993
02:15:51,589 --> 02:15:54,188
the neighbour and pick up garbage off the road. And

1994
02:15:54,188 --> 02:15:57,868
so I've had affinity for your program ever since. Um,

1995
02:15:57,868 --> 02:16:01,488
but it's a wonderful, wonderful program. And thank you for

1996
02:16:01,488 --> 02:16:04,641
what you do. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Thank you. Um,

1997
02:16:04,662 --> 02:16:06,481
and seeing that council, I just want to say thank

1998
02:16:06,481 --> 02:16:10,001
you for your support. Um, this was, um, I very

1999
02:16:10,001 --> 02:16:13,681
much appreciate it. Um, and moving this forward, um, I

2000
02:16:13,721 --> 02:16:17,521
sat down with Michael, um, a series of months ago.

2001
02:16:17,521 --> 02:16:21,681
And, um, he had asked if this is possible and

2002
02:16:21,681 --> 02:16:23,601
something that can happen. And I did tell him that

2003
02:16:23,601 --> 02:16:27,361
I would bring it forward. So Chris also being here.

2004
02:16:27,361 --> 02:16:31,121
And the, um, you know, the advancement with regards to

2005
02:16:31,942 --> 02:16:34,801
providing more services up in Ratland. And when we're looking

2006
02:16:34,841 --> 02:16:37,281
at putting this into our budget, if we could also

2007
02:16:37,382 --> 02:16:41,521
look at our, you know, midtown area and potentially extend

2008
02:16:41,521 --> 02:16:44,801
it to maybe seven days from five days because I

2009
02:16:44,982 --> 02:16:49,601
understand the number of, um, possible applicants, our substantially larger

2010
02:16:49,622 --> 02:16:51,681
than, you know, the 10 that they use at this

2011
02:16:51,681 --> 02:16:54,081
particular point in time. So just a couple of comments

2012
02:16:54,262 --> 02:16:56,641
from myself on what it could, you know, what it

2013
02:16:56,641 --> 02:16:58,881
could turn out to be within the community and how

2014
02:16:58,921 --> 02:17:02,561
we're supporting this program. So thank you. And once again,

2015
02:17:02,742 --> 02:17:06,434
council, thank you. Saying that all in favor. Opposed carried.

2016
02:17:06,434 --> 02:17:14,385
Thank you. Colleen, thank you. Thank you, your worship. That

2017
02:17:14,385 --> 02:17:17,005
brings us to item 6. 4 on the agenda. And

2018
02:17:17,005 --> 02:17:19,025
we have staff from the real estate department to present

2019
02:17:19,286 --> 02:17:21,745
on a series of non - market lease agreements.

2020
02:17:38,283 --> 02:17:46,114
Good afternoon, Melissa. Good afternoon, your worship councillors. And Doug

2021
02:17:46,154 --> 02:17:47,314
also. Good afternoon, Doug.

2022
02:18:02,043 --> 02:18:03,622
We are here today to talk to you guys about

2023
02:18:03,643 --> 02:18:10,050
the non - market lease agreement sport. The city of

2024
02:18:10,231 --> 02:18:14,050
Colono recognises the importance of our local sports sector. It's

2025
02:18:14,071 --> 02:18:16,690
the year of sport. And the opportunity it provides for

2026
02:18:16,711 --> 02:18:20,610
healthy living and social engagement. The benefits of a vibrant

2027
02:18:20,791 --> 02:18:24,450
sports scene ripples through all ages and backgrounds, contributing to

2028
02:18:24,490 --> 02:18:29,750
both individual and community well - being. The non -

2029
02:18:29,750 --> 02:18:33,030
market sports leases presented today are intended to support strategic

2030
02:18:33,131 --> 02:18:38,470
partnerships foster sports development ensure responsible stewardship of city facilities

2031
02:18:39,051 --> 02:18:47,359
and maximize reach and impact. Each of these five.

2032
02:18:49,792 --> 02:18:56,658
Sorry one second. Each of these five non - market

2033
02:18:56,679 --> 02:19:00,658
sports lease agreements have been previous community partners. The agreements

2034
02:19:00,698 --> 02:19:03,858
have been slightly amended to tighten up the reporting process.

2035
02:19:03,858 --> 02:19:07,778
Increase oversight and responsibility. And change how the capital reserve

2036
02:19:07,818 --> 02:19:11,335
fund is collected and allocated. The terms have also been

2037
02:19:11,436 --> 02:19:17,394
amended. They allow for optimal property performance and maintenance, all

2038
02:19:17,394 --> 02:19:26,108
while working within the delegation authority by law parameters. I

2039
02:19:26,148 --> 02:19:32,973
will let Doug speak to the actual agreements. Thank you,

2040
02:19:33,013 --> 02:19:37,320
Melissa. Your worship. Uh, I'll just start with, uh, the

2041
02:19:37,341 --> 02:19:41,240
central Okanagan minor baseball association. They provide organised baseball opportunities

2042
02:19:41,261 --> 02:19:45,960
for youth across Kelowna and the Central Okanagan. Their primary

2043
02:19:46,000 --> 02:19:49,560
operations are based out of edith gay park and Lombardi

2044
02:19:49,661 --> 02:19:55,120
Park at, they lease a small clubhouse with offices, a

2045
02:19:55,120 --> 02:19:59,578
meeting room storage and concession. And at Lombardi Park, they

2046
02:19:59,578 --> 02:20:03,192
leased a small concession in storage space. Their programs range

2047
02:20:03,192 --> 02:20:06,392
from house league to competitive development, supporting both broad participation

2048
02:20:07,133 --> 02:20:10,392
and athlete growth. And they're a strong example of a

2049
02:20:10,432 --> 02:20:18,268
community supported sport driven by families, coaches and volunteers. Next,

2050
02:20:18,268 --> 02:20:20,908
we have the clone of minor fastball society. They provide

2051
02:20:21,249 --> 02:20:25,768
organised fastball opportunities for children and youth primarily female, uh,

2052
02:20:25,809 --> 02:20:29,211
in Kelowna. They're operating out of high noon park. And

2053
02:20:29,211 --> 02:20:31,771
the club helps activate a key community sport facility through

2054
02:20:31,872 --> 02:20:35,611
regular practices, games, and competition there. The least space includes

2055
02:20:36,272 --> 02:20:41,131
eight softball diamonds, washrooms, change rooms, storage space, and a

2056
02:20:41,131 --> 02:20:45,235
small clubhouse with an office in a meeting room. Their

2057
02:20:45,256 --> 02:20:49,155
program support athletes from introductory levels to competitive play, helping

2058
02:20:49,155 --> 02:20:52,435
develop confidence, teamwork, and skill. And the society is a

2059
02:20:52,475 --> 02:20:55,795
volunteer - based organisation. It also contributes to the local

2060
02:20:56,056 --> 02:20:59,075
sport community by hosting numerous tournaments events that I'm sure

2061
02:20:59,075 --> 02:21:05,276
you've seen out by the airport there. Next, the cologne

2062
02:21:05,276 --> 02:21:08,156
of lawn bowling club is one of Kelowna's oldest recreation

2063
02:21:08,257 --> 02:21:13,343
organisations established in 1909. Located in city park at his

2064
02:21:13,383 --> 02:21:16,303
long provided a welcoming place for residents to gather, compete.

2065
02:21:17,227 --> 02:21:20,806
And stay active. Their lease space consists of an eight

2066
02:21:21,067 --> 02:21:24,646
- lane lawn bowling green, storage space, and a small

2067
02:21:24,747 --> 02:21:27,906
clubhouse with washrooms and change rooms, a meeting room, and

2068
02:21:27,906 --> 02:21:31,886
a small kitchen. The club supports both recreational play and

2069
02:21:32,147 --> 02:21:35,566
community introduction to the sport. And as a low barrier

2070
02:21:35,606 --> 02:21:40,366
activity, lawn bowling offers social connection, active living, and broad

2071
02:21:40,387 --> 02:21:48,774
accessibility. Next is the clonabocce club. The bocce club has

2072
02:21:48,814 --> 02:21:51,174
been a valued part of Kelowna's recreation community for many

2073
02:21:51,174 --> 02:21:55,748
years also. A located at Cameron Park. They have helped

2074
02:21:55,769 --> 02:21:59,188
keep bocce active and accessible through year - round programming

2075
02:21:59,449 --> 02:22:03,139
and regular competitions. They're leased space includes a three -

2076
02:22:03,139 --> 02:22:06,739
lane indoor bocce facility and a clubhouse with washrooms, meeting

2077
02:22:06,739 --> 02:22:10,688
space, storage, and a small kitchen. The club provides a

2078
02:22:10,789 --> 02:22:15,568
welcoming low barrier space for recreation, connection, and community participation.

2079
02:22:15,608 --> 02:22:18,448
It also adds cultural and social value by preserving a

2080
02:22:18,488 --> 02:22:25,015
community - based sport with deep local routes. And finally,

2081
02:22:25,015 --> 02:22:28,215
the fifth sport lease we're here today is the mission

2082
02:22:28,556 --> 02:22:33,735
tennis club, another longstanding recreation asset with tennis played on

2083
02:22:33,756 --> 02:22:37,791
that site for more than 100 years. It operated by

2084
02:22:37,791 --> 02:22:42,591
the Okanagan Mission Community Hall Association. It is recognised as

2085
02:22:42,692 --> 02:22:46,671
clona's oldest and only charity run tennis facility. Their lease

2086
02:22:46,671 --> 02:22:51,366
space consists of three outdoor tennis courts. And they're located

2087
02:22:51,387 --> 02:22:54,962
at the heart park. Adjacent to those three courts are

2088
02:22:55,303 --> 02:22:58,322
their three additional courts and a clubhouse owned and operated

2089
02:22:58,503 --> 02:23:03,042
by the association, making this a fantastic facility for tennis

2090
02:23:03,082 --> 02:23:08,482
lessons, camps, leagues, tournaments and social play. The club serves

2091
02:23:08,522 --> 02:23:12,882
both members and the broader community through coaching, youth programming,

2092
02:23:12,882 --> 02:23:16,328
and volunteer support. And the lease terms for each of

2093
02:23:16,328 --> 02:23:19,448
these five organisations is for five years with an additional

2094
02:23:19,789 --> 02:23:26,769
five - year renewal option. You worship these nonprofits, board

2095
02:23:26,769 --> 02:23:32,609
organisations provide strong local leadership by planning programs supporting volunteers,

2096
02:23:32,609 --> 02:23:35,089
maintaining day - to - day operations and creating welcoming

2097
02:23:35,110 --> 02:23:39,409
environments for participants in families. Their leadership helps ensure these

2098
02:23:39,449 --> 02:23:43,489
facilities remain active, well - managed, and responsive to community

2099
02:23:43,510 --> 02:23:48,733
needs. Having these organisations operate municipal, sport, assets brings out

2100
02:23:48,994 --> 02:23:54,653
in value through volunteer capacity, sports - specific expertise, community

2101
02:23:54,693 --> 02:23:58,493
relationships and programming that would be difficult to replicate through

2102
02:23:58,674 --> 02:24:02,573
municipal service delivery alone. This model supports efficient use of

2103
02:24:02,674 --> 02:24:07,133
public facilities while strengthening access, participation, and long - term

2104
02:24:07,474 --> 02:24:11,868
community benefit. And that concludes our presentation today, your worship.

2105
02:24:12,718 --> 02:24:15,337
Thank you, Doug. Thank you, Melissa. Uh, with regards to

2106
02:24:15,438 --> 02:24:17,817
it, it's one of those good news stories with regards

2107
02:24:18,078 --> 02:24:20,617
to maybe a completely unfair question and just let it

2108
02:24:20,718 --> 02:24:23,417
pass if you choose to. But when we look at

2109
02:24:23,457 --> 02:24:27,417
these organisations collectively, when you think of youth baseball and

2110
02:24:27,457 --> 02:24:31,177
fastball and the rest of them, ballpark, um, for your

2111
02:24:31,177 --> 02:24:34,217
best guesstimate, collectively, how many individuals are we looking at

2112
02:24:34,398 --> 02:24:41,432
supporting with advancing these leases. I think your worship, the

2113
02:24:41,793 --> 02:24:48,463
cumulative membership there. Is approaches probably about 4, 000. And

2114
02:24:48,463 --> 02:24:53,823
then from there, it just, uh, families, events, other things.

2115
02:24:53,823 --> 02:24:57,983
It's significant. The social region, the economic reach that these

2116
02:24:58,004 --> 02:25:01,286
facilities that these board organisations connect with and have. Thank

2117
02:25:01,286 --> 02:25:05,192
you. Thank you very much. Councillor Lovegrove, please questions. Thanks,

2118
02:25:05,192 --> 02:25:07,832
your worship. And don't forget about the generations of coaches.

2119
02:25:07,832 --> 02:25:10,232
I think you were mentioning at lunch that you've coached

2120
02:25:10,493 --> 02:25:14,712
in. He's now recognising former players he coached. And I

2121
02:25:14,752 --> 02:25:17,832
totally, like this in the previous report, the reflection on

2122
02:25:17,872 --> 02:25:21,912
building us stronger and more resilient cologna and community is

2123
02:25:21,933 --> 02:25:24,632
not lost on me. So I'm ecstatic about what I'm

2124
02:25:24,632 --> 02:25:26,852
seeing here. And I have a couple of questions. Um,

2125
02:25:27,373 --> 02:25:30,232
the amounts and the lease agreements. I mean, some folks

2126
02:25:30,413 --> 02:25:33,512
having this come at them. I'm sure it's no surprise

2127
02:25:33,512 --> 02:25:36,152
to them, but I'm hoping we're taking us a kid

2128
02:25:36,173 --> 02:25:39,972
glove approach, so to speak, from a sports analogy, um,

2129
02:25:40,093 --> 02:25:44,452
the amount, the whole idea of a formalized agreement, uh,

2130
02:25:44,813 --> 02:25:47,192
that's not been sprung on them. They've been full participants

2131
02:25:47,373 --> 02:25:52,227
and partners in this. They support this, I hope. Yeah.

2132
02:25:52,328 --> 02:25:54,467
Your worship. This is a very collaborative process with them.

2133
02:25:54,467 --> 02:25:58,307
We've, uh, we've been taking some time to renew these,

2134
02:25:58,328 --> 02:26:01,747
these templates, these lease templates in general. And work closely

2135
02:26:01,747 --> 02:26:04,867
with the groups on, on, um, the parameters around it

2136
02:26:05,368 --> 02:26:10,147
and building them out. Excellent. Excellent. And I had no

2137
02:26:10,187 --> 02:26:14,234
idea. That the Okanagan mission community hall had been used

2138
02:26:14,335 --> 02:26:17,274
for over a hundred years for tennis. But it kind

2139
02:26:17,274 --> 02:26:19,354
of speaks to the value of Tenicilla. I mean, the

2140
02:26:19,354 --> 02:26:22,274
other tennis courts in and around the city. I mean,

2141
02:26:22,274 --> 02:26:27,200
I think of in my neighbourhood. And badminton, uh, Wally

2142
02:26:27,221 --> 02:26:29,680
light bodies tennis court. Is it my understanding? We're going

2143
02:26:29,680 --> 02:26:32,800
to keep that or what's going on with that one.

2144
02:26:33,781 --> 02:26:37,820
That's another discussion, councillor. Okay. So out of order, but

2145
02:26:37,820 --> 02:26:40,480
it's in our neighbour and it's extremely valuable. Uh, that's

2146
02:26:40,581 --> 02:26:43,640
my point. This creates community. So I just want to

2147
02:26:43,640 --> 02:26:46,320
thank you for that. And I really appreciate this report.

2148
02:26:46,320 --> 02:26:51,459
Thank you. Um, any other questions. Seeing none, do I

2149
02:26:51,459 --> 02:26:54,899
have a mover, please? Move by Councillor Hodge, seconded by

2150
02:26:54,920 --> 02:27:00,899
Councillor Singh. Any further comments, Councillor, please. Thank you, worship.

2151
02:27:00,899 --> 02:27:04,339
I just wanted to comment on this, um, so I

2152
02:27:04,760 --> 02:27:08,419
am very familiar with all these. But one I'd like

2153
02:27:08,419 --> 02:27:13,779
to comment on is the lawn bowling. Uh, honestly, I

2154
02:27:13,960 --> 02:27:17,699
was sort of introduced to it a few years ago.

2155
02:27:17,699 --> 02:27:19,059
They owned and asked if that could help them with

2156
02:27:19,080 --> 02:27:21,059
some advertising in the coal. And all of them have

2157
02:27:21,960 --> 02:27:24,099
watched. And I said, of course. And so they invite

2158
02:27:24,139 --> 02:27:27,139
me out all the time. And I, that photo that's

2159
02:27:27,139 --> 02:27:30,579
here, I cannot believe the age of lawn bowling is

2160
02:27:30,619 --> 02:27:34,099
going honestly really, really young. Matter of fact, the city

2161
02:27:34,120 --> 02:27:36,359
had a team last year, the year before. It was

2162
02:27:36,359 --> 02:27:39,539
great. They came all dressed up. And, you know, and

2163
02:27:39,539 --> 02:27:41,859
that's what they do. And it is, it is an

2164
02:27:41,859 --> 02:27:45,619
incredible, incredible, um, I'm so glad that I saw that

2165
02:27:45,720 --> 02:27:48,259
there because this group is incredible. And same like the

2166
02:27:48,360 --> 02:27:51,759
bocce, but this long bowling, people think, Oh, it's, you

2167
02:27:51,759 --> 02:27:54,059
know, like it used to be addressed in white. It

2168
02:27:54,059 --> 02:27:57,219
was for a more mature. It's all changed. And it

2169
02:27:57,219 --> 02:28:00,899
is so much fun. So I'm really glad to have

2170
02:28:00,939 --> 02:28:03,219
seen this. And just wanted to highlight that. Cause sometimes

2171
02:28:03,219 --> 02:28:07,299
the public, they don't know right because they haven't gone.

2172
02:28:07,299 --> 02:28:09,619
But if you ever get the chance to drop down,

2173
02:28:09,619 --> 02:28:11,699
uh, they're starting now all there. And they do a

2174
02:28:11,699 --> 02:28:14,259
lot of charity event work there. Like the one coming

2175
02:28:14,299 --> 02:28:17,459
up, uh, for women's heart health. And they raise a

2176
02:28:17,459 --> 02:28:19,919
lot of money. So just take a chance or, you

2177
02:28:19,919 --> 02:28:22,419
know, and go down and visit them sometimes. They're, they're

2178
02:28:22,419 --> 02:28:24,899
there with open arms and they, you know, they really

2179
02:28:24,899 --> 02:28:27,459
would like anybody to join. And I hope to see

2180
02:28:27,459 --> 02:28:30,019
that maybe the city and some other groups all have

2181
02:28:30,059 --> 02:28:32,553
a team in it again. So thank you. Thank you

2182
02:28:32,734 --> 02:28:35,113
seeing that. No further comments. All in favor receiving this

2183
02:28:35,113 --> 02:28:37,673
report. Thank you. And, uh, Doug and Melissa to the

2184
02:28:37,673 --> 02:28:39,993
work that you're doing with these organisations. So very much

2185
02:28:39,993 --> 02:28:43,033
appreciated. Mr. Gabriel also. Thank you very much with the

2186
02:28:43,033 --> 02:28:49,217
team. Thank you, worship. We're now on item 6. 5

2187
02:28:49,318 --> 02:28:52,177
on the agenda. And we have staff from the utility

2188
02:28:52,217 --> 02:28:55,217
planning department to present on a local area service petition

2189
02:28:55,238 --> 02:28:57,297
for water service on Chamberlain Road.

2190
02:29:20,634 --> 02:29:25,358
Good afternoon, Luke. Good afternoon. Thank you, worship. Gaffnoon council.

2191
02:29:26,088 --> 02:29:29,587
I'm here today to introduce the Chamberlain Water Local Areous

2192
02:29:29,627 --> 02:29:34,316
Service project and update to you on process. Um, what

2193
02:29:34,417 --> 02:29:37,816
is a locally area service? It is where, residents, uh,

2194
02:29:37,937 --> 02:29:42,076
petition to bring either water or sewer upgrades into their

2195
02:29:42,097 --> 02:29:45,854
area. And thus far, we have received an official petition

2196
02:29:46,115 --> 02:29:50,114
that has been certified by our city clerk's department. And

2197
02:29:50,215 --> 02:29:54,114
we're asking council to support the bylaws to implement that

2198
02:29:54,215 --> 02:29:59,722
local area service. Just an overview of the project area.

2199
02:30:00,519 --> 02:30:04,018
Chamberlain Road is just south of Kaelo Road and west

2200
02:30:04,018 --> 02:30:08,360
of Ben Vulin Road. Consists of 16 properties. Uh, that

2201
02:30:08,461 --> 02:30:12,600
are currently serviced by onsite water wells and septic fields

2202
02:30:12,640 --> 02:30:18,228
for sanitary disposal. Uh, this work is, uh, installing 580

2203
02:30:18,228 --> 02:30:21,988
metres of water main looped from KLO back to Ben

2204
02:30:22,009 --> 02:30:26,548
Vulin with two fire hydrants and services to each property.

2205
02:30:32,218 --> 02:30:35,637
In forthcoming, uh, weeks, we will have the official local

2206
02:30:35,978 --> 02:30:39,756
area service establishment bylaw coming back to council. Which we

2207
02:30:39,756 --> 02:30:44,556
will then be finalising construction through July and August and

2208
02:30:44,577 --> 02:30:47,196
in September and in the fall, we will be compiling

2209
02:30:47,217 --> 02:30:49,836
all of the costs, uh, as far as the project

2210
02:30:50,337 --> 02:30:54,156
is completed, which will then allow us to tabulate our

2211
02:30:54,337 --> 02:30:59,736
parcel tax bylaw, which will be implemented for 2027, uh,

2212
02:31:00,017 --> 02:31:05,933
tax rule. Just in conclusion, we want to highlight that

2213
02:31:05,933 --> 02:31:10,093
we've received a sufficient petition from these residents that represent

2214
02:31:10,114 --> 02:31:13,293
over 50 percent of the property owners and over 50

2215
02:31:13,314 --> 02:31:16,653
percent of the assessed values. And we ask counsel to

2216
02:31:16,693 --> 02:31:20,893
support the future bylaws to implement this local area service.

2217
02:31:20,893 --> 02:31:24,493
I can conclude my comments. Thank you. Um, questions please

2218
02:31:24,754 --> 02:31:29,514
questions of council. Council saying please questions. Does this include

2219
02:31:29,695 --> 02:31:33,834
the homes that are in front of the St. Charles

2220
02:31:33,874 --> 02:31:36,794
Garnier church that are on Ben Voland? There are about

2221
02:31:36,834 --> 02:31:43,036
five, six homes. The agricultural lots that are just east

2222
02:31:43,297 --> 02:31:46,076
of Benvolin Road are currently not included in this process.

2223
02:31:46,890 --> 02:31:50,069
As those are agricultural lots outside of the permanent growth

2224
02:31:50,069 --> 02:31:55,521
boundary. Thank you. Councillor Weber, please. Yeah, for me, this

2225
02:31:55,702 --> 02:31:57,441
is sort of a new process. I haven't seen it

2226
02:31:57,441 --> 02:32:00,481
come up too often where petition is officially filed to

2227
02:32:00,521 --> 02:32:02,961
get this kind of service. And when I first started

2228
02:32:03,001 --> 02:32:04,961
reading it, I wondered how it was going to fit

2229
02:32:04,961 --> 02:32:07,841
into our, our existing budget since apparently wasn't planned for

2230
02:32:08,182 --> 02:32:11,361
when we, there are budget last year. Uh, so I

2231
02:32:11,401 --> 02:32:14,461
looked at up here and it says that the, um,

2232
02:32:15,222 --> 02:32:19,441
expansion of 500, 264, 000 is funded by the provincial

2233
02:32:19,481 --> 02:32:24,161
housing accelerator fund. The fireflow upgrade program and the offsite

2234
02:32:24,262 --> 02:32:27,201
and oversized program. So we have money standing by various

2235
02:32:27,302 --> 02:32:30,321
programs. I guess my question would be if we didn't

2236
02:32:30,321 --> 02:32:34,961
have those, like for instance, the, um, the half program,

2237
02:32:34,961 --> 02:32:37,121
let's say that wasn't around anymore. What would happen if

2238
02:32:37,142 --> 02:32:38,881
they came to us and said, well, we're, we're willing

2239
02:32:38,921 --> 02:32:41,761
to spend our 316, 000 dollars. Where would we get

2240
02:32:41,761 --> 02:32:47,358
our money from. Previously, uh, this area has expressed interest

2241
02:32:47,398 --> 02:32:51,438
in water service. Uh, and, and estimates were provided back

2242
02:32:51,459 --> 02:32:55,798
then at well over 50, 000 dollars per property. So

2243
02:32:55,859 --> 02:33:00,858
without, um, housing accelerator funding or other funding sources, uh,

2244
02:33:01,139 --> 02:33:04,312
the project would not really be viable for servicing. Um,

2245
02:33:04,733 --> 02:33:09,972
the 316, 000 is, is shared amongst the residents, uh,

2246
02:33:10,093 --> 02:33:14,500
of which this, uh, local area service petition represents. So,

2247
02:33:14,500 --> 02:33:17,940
so that means they happen to apply at the right

2248
02:33:17,980 --> 02:33:21,620
time when we have money standing by. That's correct. From

2249
02:33:21,620 --> 02:33:27,272
funds. Okay. City manager, please. Yeah, I think you worship

2250
02:33:27,312 --> 02:33:31,032
maybe just add a little bit. The residents would always

2251
02:33:31,032 --> 02:33:33,872
have the option to pay the entire thing themselves. If

2252
02:33:33,872 --> 02:33:36,872
funding wasn't available, we have seen projects of lower value

2253
02:33:37,213 --> 02:33:39,912
proceed over the years. And under that premise. But we

2254
02:33:39,912 --> 02:33:44,232
would not typically tax other residents. Um, and use taxation

2255
02:33:44,253 --> 02:33:47,272
funds to supplement a program like this. It's usually grant

2256
02:33:47,272 --> 02:33:55,796
programs of provincial participation that supports it. Councillor Lovegrove questions?

2257
02:33:55,796 --> 02:33:59,476
Yes. Thank you. Um, so this is within the permanent

2258
02:33:59,476 --> 02:34:05,436
growth boundary. That is correct. And what density, what zoning?

2259
02:34:05,436 --> 02:34:10,301
Are you building the services to. Zoning is currently RR2

2260
02:34:10,341 --> 02:34:14,621
in this area given there on site wells and septic

2261
02:34:14,661 --> 02:34:20,465
fields for sanitary disposal. Correct. So, so, um, it's not

2262
02:34:20,726 --> 02:34:23,265
being sized for any future up zoning or anything like

2263
02:34:23,265 --> 02:34:27,345
that? Uh, the moment the water is proposed to loop,

2264
02:34:27,345 --> 02:34:30,225
uh, from KLO back to Ben Vulin to provide adequate

2265
02:34:30,406 --> 02:34:32,705
fire flow. So we are adding fire hydrants on this

2266
02:34:32,726 --> 02:34:35,985
water main. Uh, the sizes that are going to properties

2267
02:34:36,006 --> 02:34:38,865
will be a 50 mil service, which is standard for

2268
02:34:39,206 --> 02:34:42,065
any infill work that we do within the city. Okay.

2269
02:34:42,166 --> 02:34:45,985
Thank you. Thank you. Seeing no further questions. Do I

2270
02:34:45,985 --> 02:34:48,305
have a mover, please? Put by councillor stack, seconded by

2271
02:34:48,345 --> 02:34:52,305
councillor to heart, seeing no further comments, all in favor.

2272
02:34:52,305 --> 02:34:54,909
Thank you. And Luke, thank you very much for that

2273
02:34:54,949 --> 02:35:00,037
presentation. Your worship item 6. 6 as a presentation also

2274
02:35:00,077 --> 02:35:03,157
from utility services to present on the extension of a

2275
02:35:03,178 --> 02:35:10,501
waste discharge permit. Good afternoon, Rod. Good afternoon, new worship.

2276
02:35:11,955 --> 02:35:16,974
No presentation today. Just a quick summary. Good afternoon and

2277
02:35:16,974 --> 02:35:20,894
good afternoon, council. This report seeks approval to extend sander

2278
02:35:20,915 --> 02:35:26,974
fruit packers temporary waste discharge permit to, uh, May 31st,

2279
02:35:27,014 --> 02:35:31,374
2027. The permit allows agri - industrial wastewater from the

2280
02:35:31,555 --> 02:35:35,374
packing facility located outside our jurisdiction east of the airport

2281
02:35:35,795 --> 02:35:38,974
to be transported to an approved discharge site for collection

2282
02:35:39,075 --> 02:35:42,734
and treatment. This temporary arrangement now in its third year

2283
02:35:43,075 --> 02:35:46,414
was established following failures in the facilities on - site

2284
02:35:46,414 --> 02:35:51,214
disposal system resulting in an environmental enforcement by the province.

2285
02:35:51,214 --> 02:35:55,294
The owner has identified a permanent wastewater solution and is

2286
02:35:55,294 --> 02:35:59,753
working towards implementation by spring of 2027. The extension is

2287
02:35:59,793 --> 02:36:02,873
time limited cost recovered and includes city sampling and testing

2288
02:36:02,913 --> 02:36:06,837
at the owner's expense. We're a wastewater operations team has

2289
02:36:06,837 --> 02:36:10,517
confirmed their sufficient system capacity and treatment to manage the

2290
02:36:10,517 --> 02:36:14,037
short - term discharge. SCNMI report. Thank you. Thank you.

2291
02:36:14,037 --> 02:36:16,757
Um, questions with regards to it. Um, I remember when

2292
02:36:16,797 --> 02:36:19,637
this initially came forward and it was a concession that

2293
02:36:19,658 --> 02:36:21,397
we made, and this is an area which is outside

2294
02:36:21,498 --> 02:36:26,277
the city of Kelowna in the regional area. Um, and,

2295
02:36:26,277 --> 02:36:28,997
um, it was head a specific time frame on it

2296
02:36:29,018 --> 02:36:32,037
at that point in time. And it has been extended

2297
02:36:32,138 --> 02:36:35,077
beyond that, um, maybe just if you could speak to

2298
02:36:35,077 --> 02:36:44,524
that, uh, formula, please. The work is ongoing this issue

2299
02:36:44,705 --> 02:36:48,684
is not a city issue, although we are providing that

2300
02:36:48,865 --> 02:36:53,884
service, uh, on, uh, we are providing and by doing

2301
02:36:53,884 --> 02:36:56,604
the right thing in the temporary servicing, um, we do

2302
02:36:56,644 --> 02:36:59,724
have an expectation that they are going to finish that

2303
02:36:59,745 --> 02:37:02,444
off this year. We have been provided assurance from the

2304
02:37:02,465 --> 02:37:08,524
regional district and the ministry that has applied the permit

2305
02:37:08,785 --> 02:37:12,764
now or that has provided the permit. And we expect

2306
02:37:12,804 --> 02:37:16,859
this to be done. How this goes beyond that, should

2307
02:37:16,859 --> 02:37:19,659
that work not happen? Is that of our jurisdiction. Thank

2308
02:37:19,659 --> 02:37:24,555
you. Mr. Logan. Thank you, worship ball. I would just

2309
02:37:26,576 --> 02:37:28,875
got a response from the regional district on Friday and

2310
02:37:28,915 --> 02:37:31,035
they did confirm that a building permit has been issued,

2311
02:37:31,035 --> 02:37:35,024
but they don't have any specific timing on construction. Thank

2312
02:37:35,024 --> 02:37:37,831
you. Um, just thank you for the collaboration with regards

2313
02:37:37,831 --> 02:37:40,471
to the district on taking care of something that sits

2314
02:37:40,511 --> 02:37:46,468
outside the city. Councillor Singh. Comments. Um, any further questions.

2315
02:37:47,376 --> 02:37:49,915
Councillor Cannon, did you have a question? Yes, sir. We

2316
02:37:49,915 --> 02:37:54,155
should just, um, you mentioned in your comments, cost recovery.

2317
02:37:54,155 --> 02:37:55,995
This is a bit of an anomaly, right? Cause it's

2318
02:37:56,035 --> 02:37:59,555
outside the regional district. It's outside the city boundaries. We

2319
02:37:59,555 --> 02:38:01,995
don't really do this for any other type of business.

2320
02:38:01,995 --> 02:38:06,075
So I just wonder how you calculated the fee that

2321
02:38:06,115 --> 02:38:10,075
we're charging. Well, this, the fee is consistent with bylaw

2322
02:38:10,096 --> 02:38:15,115
3480 right now for a discharge of, uh, of wastewater.

2323
02:38:15,115 --> 02:38:19,435
Within the permit, the permit itself is very specific to,

2324
02:38:19,435 --> 02:38:23,595
uh, types of discharge and types of, uh, and, and

2325
02:38:23,936 --> 02:38:28,155
whether storm drainage, which cannot go in. So it's rather

2326
02:38:28,336 --> 02:38:32,395
specific. The permit itself we've reviewed it to see if

2327
02:38:32,416 --> 02:38:36,555
there was any changes required. And from what we've seen,

2328
02:38:36,555 --> 02:38:40,955
we, uh, we feel that's unnecessary for this particular extension.

2329
02:38:42,326 --> 02:38:45,585
Thank you. Thank you. Seeing that I'm looking for a

2330
02:38:45,585 --> 02:38:50,385
mover, please move by councillor Woolridge, seconded by councillor Singh

2331
02:38:50,406 --> 02:38:54,225
discussion. Councillor Singh. Thank you, Worship. Um, I did go

2332
02:38:54,246 --> 02:38:57,185
down to the site and speak to the applicant about

2333
02:38:57,446 --> 02:39:01,265
the situation. The whole thing is the province. I just

2334
02:39:01,305 --> 02:39:03,665
want to share this. My council colleagues, the province came

2335
02:39:03,705 --> 02:39:07,505
up with new legislation, new requirements for them. And the

2336
02:39:07,505 --> 02:39:12,545
issuance of the permits took longer than it took long,

2337
02:39:12,545 --> 02:39:15,905
put it that way. They have hired alpine engineering are

2338
02:39:15,945 --> 02:39:18,465
in the process. They've got that design works, everything in

2339
02:39:18,505 --> 02:39:21,745
order. They plan to have everything done and dusted by

2340
02:39:21,785 --> 02:39:26,205
the end of October. However, cherries will not say, all

2341
02:39:26,205 --> 02:39:28,945
right, we won't grow till your permits come. So the

2342
02:39:28,985 --> 02:39:31,745
permit, the cherries are ready to be harvested in the

2343
02:39:31,745 --> 02:39:35,665
next three weeks. Living, uh, the producers in a pickle

2344
02:39:35,705 --> 02:39:38,545
in terms of how they're going to wash the cherries

2345
02:39:38,646 --> 02:39:44,065
and package them. And just, um, just to share an

2346
02:39:44,065 --> 02:39:48,545
extra bit of, uh, pressure on the producer, according to

2347
02:39:48,585 --> 02:39:54,945
the CFI, which is a Canadian food inspection agency. Yes.

2348
02:39:54,966 --> 02:39:58,065
Yes. Even though they could be other backing houses that

2349
02:39:58,086 --> 02:40:01,825
could pack the fruit, their permit only allows them to

2350
02:40:02,166 --> 02:40:06,865
pack their fruit at that particular site. So they couldn't

2351
02:40:07,446 --> 02:40:11,529
ship the fruit somewhere else. To be washed and packaged

2352
02:40:12,110 --> 02:40:15,865
for market. So as per the CFI rules, they have

2353
02:40:15,865 --> 02:40:19,745
to, uh, package their own fruit at their side. So

2354
02:40:19,745 --> 02:40:21,945
it has to be the water has to be discharged

2355
02:40:21,966 --> 02:40:27,305
somewhere else. And that's the problem. But so to wrap

2356
02:40:27,305 --> 02:40:30,665
it all up, they've assured us showed me anyway that

2357
02:40:30,705 --> 02:40:32,825
they should have a facility up and running by the

2358
02:40:32,825 --> 02:40:35,604
end of October. Thank you, councillor, for your comments. Seeing

2359
02:40:35,604 --> 02:40:39,473
no further comments, all in favor. Opposed. Carried, thank you.

2360
02:40:41,230 --> 02:40:44,169
City clerk, please. Thank you, worship. That brings us to

2361
02:40:44,350 --> 02:40:46,809
item 7. 1 on the agenda. And we have a

2362
02:40:46,830 --> 02:40:50,089
draft resolution following a notice of motion regarding the Abbott

2363
02:40:50,129 --> 02:40:54,249
Street Heritage Conservation area and the transit - oriented area.

2364
02:40:54,249 --> 02:40:56,889
And Councillor Cannon may wish to speak to it. Thank

2365
02:40:56,889 --> 02:41:00,649
you. Worship, whereas the Apple Street Heritage Conservation areas is

2366
02:41:00,649 --> 02:41:04,009
designated heritage conservation area established under the local government act

2367
02:41:04,110 --> 02:41:07,369
to preserve and protect the area's historic character, cultural heritage

2368
02:41:07,409 --> 02:41:10,889
and unique streetscape. And whereas portions of the Heritage Conservation

2369
02:41:10,929 --> 02:41:14,489
Area located within the Clone of General Hospital Transit area

2370
02:41:14,990 --> 02:41:17,189
- oriented area, or otherwise known as the TOA. And

2371
02:41:17,189 --> 02:41:19,769
whereas the province of BC is confirmed in writing that

2372
02:41:19,790 --> 02:41:23,689
the OA legislation doesn't supersede heritage conservationry protections and guidelines

2373
02:41:23,790 --> 02:41:26,729
established under the local government act. And whereas the Abbott

2374
02:41:26,729 --> 02:41:29,929
Street Heritage Conservation Area situated within the Milk Creek and

2375
02:41:29,929 --> 02:41:34,009
Okinagan Lake floodplains for which provincial legislation provides exemptions from

2376
02:41:34,270 --> 02:41:38,489
TOA requirements in certain circumstances. And whereas council recognises that

2377
02:41:38,670 --> 02:41:41,529
the continued inclusion of the Avistreed Heritage Conservation area within

2378
02:41:41,529 --> 02:41:43,849
the transit - oriented area may undermine the long -

2379
02:41:43,849 --> 02:41:47,689
term preservation of the area's heritage character and integrity. They

2380
02:41:47,689 --> 02:41:49,489
moved that council - direct the mayor to rate to

2381
02:41:49,489 --> 02:41:52,089
the province of BC, including the Minister of Housing and

2382
02:41:52,350 --> 02:41:54,969
Municipal Affairs, as well as the Minister of Transportation in

2383
02:41:55,009 --> 02:41:58,729
Transit, requesting the immediate removal of the Abstraed Heritage Conservation

2384
02:41:58,729 --> 02:42:01,929
Area from the Klona, General Hospital Transit - Oriented Area

2385
02:42:01,969 --> 02:42:05,209
Designation, and further staff report back to Council with an

2386
02:42:05,209 --> 02:42:09,499
implementation. Timeline for council consideration. And I just wanted to

2387
02:42:09,539 --> 02:42:11,579
say a worship, I believe, a council truly believes that

2388
02:42:11,600 --> 02:42:16,219
the Administrate Heritage Conservation Area is worth protecting than we

2389
02:42:16,219 --> 02:42:19,899
should support this motion. It'll reinforce the message that Heritage

2390
02:42:19,939 --> 02:42:22,759
Conservation Areas were created to preserve the character, history, and

2391
02:42:22,759 --> 02:42:27,141
identity of unique neighbourhoods and supporting this motion. Demonstrates the

2392
02:42:27,141 --> 02:42:29,861
council's prepared to stand behind those principles and ensure that

2393
02:42:30,042 --> 02:42:34,181
heritage protection remains meaningful, not merely symbolic. Thank you, worship.

2394
02:42:34,282 --> 02:42:42,341
Thank you. Councillors, do we have any questions. Um, of

2395
02:42:42,442 --> 02:42:47,461
course, councillor Singh, do you have questions or comments? Councillor

2396
02:42:47,482 --> 02:42:51,141
Weber, do you have questions? Yeah, question. You know, the

2397
02:42:51,141 --> 02:42:54,101
first part of the motion, which the rest of it

2398
02:42:54,682 --> 02:42:58,101
would have followed if this motion was, I mean, what

2399
02:42:58,141 --> 02:42:59,861
he's doing is he's asking us to write a letter

2400
02:42:59,861 --> 02:43:04,261
to the ministries. And, uh, everything else in the rest

2401
02:43:04,301 --> 02:43:06,181
of the motion may or may not happen depending on

2402
02:43:06,181 --> 02:43:08,821
the results you get back from the ministry. So on

2403
02:43:08,861 --> 02:43:11,859
the surface, it seems like a fairly simple request. I

2404
02:43:11,859 --> 02:43:13,979
guess my question is in a pragmatic way, have we

2405
02:43:13,979 --> 02:43:15,539
already written that letter in the past? I mean, it's

2406
02:43:15,579 --> 02:43:17,459
not like we haven't sat around law being about this

2407
02:43:18,040 --> 02:43:20,819
over the past number of years, but are we sending

2408
02:43:20,920 --> 02:43:23,779
a letter that says, what we've already said so many

2409
02:43:23,779 --> 02:43:25,699
times? And is that, I don't know if that's a

2410
02:43:25,739 --> 02:43:27,539
good or bad idea if it's true. So I don't

2411
02:43:27,539 --> 02:43:30,714
know, I'm asking the city manager, perhaps. You know, have

2412
02:43:30,714 --> 02:43:36,787
we communicated this exact message that is being suggested. I'm

2413
02:43:36,827 --> 02:43:38,707
not sure I can give you a direct answer to

2414
02:43:38,747 --> 02:43:42,307
that question, but yes, there has been numerous efforts by

2415
02:43:42,568 --> 02:43:45,267
that both this council and by staff in the past,

2416
02:43:45,267 --> 02:43:47,747
um, to gain clarity on the issue. And we have

2417
02:43:47,747 --> 02:43:50,067
received that and tried to communicate that both to council

2418
02:43:50,067 --> 02:43:52,627
and to the community. Um, and there have been efforts

2419
02:43:52,667 --> 02:43:56,147
to determine whether or not the TOA that was designated

2420
02:43:56,187 --> 02:43:59,427
by the province has a likelihood of being changed by

2421
02:43:59,467 --> 02:44:02,707
the province. And we have received responses to that in

2422
02:44:02,707 --> 02:44:06,464
the past. And the answer was no. We've heard no

2423
02:44:06,504 --> 02:44:08,755
quite a few times. And I'll make some, I'll make

2424
02:44:08,755 --> 02:44:12,675
some comments to that council. Sure. So, uh, I guess,

2425
02:44:12,675 --> 02:44:14,115
I mean, I don't know whether it's a good thing

2426
02:44:14,115 --> 02:44:16,035
or a bad thing to write again. I'd like to

2427
02:44:16,035 --> 02:44:20,525
hear my other councillor, colleague say. Do we have any

2428
02:44:20,565 --> 02:44:25,653
other questions. Questions, are these questions coming up or are

2429
02:44:25,653 --> 02:44:29,610
these comments, questions councillor love growth. I'd just like some

2430
02:44:29,650 --> 02:44:32,630
clarification for the city manager on his last response, who

2431
02:44:32,671 --> 02:44:35,930
worship, because I'm just wondering if in the light of

2432
02:44:36,031 --> 02:44:42,090
the last sentence in the second paragraph under councillor cannon's

2433
02:44:42,130 --> 02:44:47,370
comments. Provincial correspondence has confirmed that transit oriented area legislation

2434
02:44:47,391 --> 02:44:51,690
does not override existing municipal heritage projections or eliminate the

2435
02:44:51,791 --> 02:44:55,730
city's ability to apply its heritage conservation guidelines, heritage, or

2436
02:44:55,730 --> 02:45:00,170
other. So is that answer given in the context of

2437
02:45:00,210 --> 02:45:05,930
that? Or were those letters sent before the most recent

2438
02:45:06,431 --> 02:45:10,090
provincial correspondence? Yeah, you worship. I'm not sure it's my

2439
02:45:10,111 --> 02:45:14,662
role to interpret what was submitted by Councillor Cannon. Perhaps

2440
02:45:15,083 --> 02:45:18,182
you worship, I'll ask that to Councillor Cannon. Let him

2441
02:45:18,203 --> 02:45:21,142
respond then. I think you worship. Yeah, the provincial government

2442
02:45:21,243 --> 02:45:24,742
has indicated that bylaws, but their density of the two

2443
02:45:24,763 --> 02:45:26,822
- way density supersedes a heritage. We can still have

2444
02:45:26,822 --> 02:45:29,302
our heritage. But the issue is it can still put

2445
02:45:29,342 --> 02:45:31,942
the density. So that's why we're asking to move the

2446
02:45:31,942 --> 02:45:34,822
TOA. And we have never written as a mayor and

2447
02:45:34,822 --> 02:45:37,942
council. Staff have conversations and all the rest. I'm asking

2448
02:45:37,963 --> 02:45:41,542
specifically for mayor and council to rate to the province.

2449
02:45:41,542 --> 02:45:43,622
And we have it black and white. And so we

2450
02:45:43,622 --> 02:45:45,862
have it clear. So it's not, he said, she said,

2451
02:45:45,862 --> 02:45:48,982
they said, we asked directly, we heard from the province,

2452
02:45:48,982 --> 02:45:51,862
if they say no, then we heard. We're advocating, we're

2453
02:45:51,862 --> 02:45:55,302
supporting heritage. And if not, then we know it'll happen.

2454
02:45:55,908 --> 02:46:00,127
Next steps. I just think it's time that we get

2455
02:46:00,167 --> 02:46:04,244
it in black and right. Thanks. I'm writing. Are there

2456
02:46:04,284 --> 02:46:07,284
any, and councillor, just as a point there on that,

2457
02:46:07,465 --> 02:46:09,844
that is incorrect because I have written, and I will

2458
02:46:09,844 --> 02:46:12,644
read my comments out because I have written the housing

2459
02:46:12,745 --> 02:46:16,804
minister and the province already. So, um, councillor Hodge, please.

2460
02:46:16,985 --> 02:46:20,004
Was there any other comments? Well, yeah, I was actually

2461
02:46:20,425 --> 02:46:26,724
going to ask Councillor Can, because you had it so

2462
02:46:26,764 --> 02:46:29,924
quick it could already hear you, to be honest with

2463
02:46:30,025 --> 02:46:33,924
you. Um, but I think I know what you're going,

2464
02:46:33,924 --> 02:46:40,004
but I want to support the idea try to get

2465
02:46:40,265 --> 02:46:44,726
the Trasnorance area protected. But I'm not sure where you're

2466
02:46:44,726 --> 02:46:53,316
questioning ends in your. Goals, your hopes for. What you

2467
02:46:53,316 --> 02:46:56,940
would get from it start. As a council, Weatherport know

2468
02:46:56,980 --> 02:47:02,068
that. It's like you only ask for half. And then

2469
02:47:02,089 --> 02:47:04,884
they'll know. You. And then you fill in what you

2470
02:47:04,924 --> 02:47:08,107
would like to see happen. I'm trying to understand clearly.

2471
02:47:08,107 --> 02:47:11,067
What is it that you're asking? What is your clue

2472
02:47:11,107 --> 02:47:13,227
to your ask for the scouts and due to the

2473
02:47:13,267 --> 02:47:19,765
province. To your worship? Absolutely. I'll speak louder then in

2474
02:47:19,805 --> 02:47:23,285
clear and slower. The fact it's simply a request for

2475
02:47:23,325 --> 02:47:25,685
mayor and council to direct to the mayor to write

2476
02:47:25,725 --> 02:47:29,045
to the province. And the two ministries as it's in

2477
02:47:29,085 --> 02:47:33,845
rating in the staff report presented, Ministry of Transportation and

2478
02:47:33,885 --> 02:47:37,605
the municipal affairs minister and minister housing asking them to

2479
02:47:37,786 --> 02:47:41,205
remove the transit - oriented area from the heritage conservation

2480
02:47:41,205 --> 02:47:44,568
area. I've never seen the letter from Mayor and Council

2481
02:47:46,029 --> 02:47:48,823
with this motion directing. The mayor to write to the

2482
02:47:48,863 --> 02:47:52,503
province. But that was your last. That's all it is.

2483
02:47:52,503 --> 02:47:55,623
And we get it in black and whiteing from the

2484
02:47:55,724 --> 02:47:58,423
province. And thank you. Once and for all. Deal with

2485
02:47:58,423 --> 02:48:04,467
it. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Any other questions.

2486
02:48:05,437 --> 02:48:07,336
Seeing none, can I put a moat? Can I put

2487
02:48:07,336 --> 02:48:10,216
this on the floor, please? Move by councillor sing, seconded

2488
02:48:10,216 --> 02:48:14,696
by councillor Weber. Um, so let me comment and add

2489
02:48:14,736 --> 02:48:17,576
a little bit of clarity. Go back to this and

2490
02:48:17,576 --> 02:48:19,896
where we're at right at this particular point in time.

2491
02:48:19,896 --> 02:48:24,056
You know, the province determines TOA designations, not the city.

2492
02:48:24,056 --> 02:48:27,816
And the city has fulfilled its legislative obligations and continues

2493
02:48:27,816 --> 02:48:32,376
to implement the framework locally by balance provincial requirements with

2494
02:48:32,637 --> 02:48:38,216
community context. Heritage protection and public transparency. City council has

2495
02:48:38,256 --> 02:48:41,256
taken numerous steps on this matter. And I know that

2496
02:48:41,517 --> 02:48:45,976
staff have as well. Council considered and adopted the required

2497
02:48:46,157 --> 02:48:50,056
bylaws to implement provincial small - scale multi - unit

2498
02:48:50,077 --> 02:48:55,496
housing. And the TOA legislation back in 2024. Directing staff

2499
02:48:55,597 --> 02:49:00,376
to proceed with implementation. The city notified the province in

2500
02:49:00,416 --> 02:49:03,816
June of 2024 confirming that the city had adopted the

2501
02:49:03,997 --> 02:49:09,256
appropriate bylaws to ensure compliance with provincial housing legislation. Council

2502
02:49:09,277 --> 02:49:14,216
provided continued direction on heritage conservation area matters through multiple

2503
02:49:14,397 --> 02:49:21,736
resolutions. Adopted, updated HCA guidelines. And considered governance changes to

2504
02:49:22,237 --> 02:49:29,176
heritage decisions in February of 2026. On behalf of council,

2505
02:49:29,176 --> 02:49:35,256
I engaged the province with our local concerns and considerations,

2506
02:49:35,256 --> 02:49:38,216
including the hospital area constraints that we continue to hear

2507
02:49:38,237 --> 02:49:42,136
from residents. And also questioning why, when we're looking at

2508
02:49:42,557 --> 02:49:45,736
transit - oriented areas, Queensway was not one of those

2509
02:49:45,917 --> 02:49:50,056
areas that was considered. The province confirmed in November of

2510
02:49:50,237 --> 02:49:54,936
2025 that the TOA designations, including the KGH bus exchange,

2511
02:49:55,197 --> 02:50:00,136
our provincially determined and would not be reconsidered. Staff then

2512
02:50:00,136 --> 02:50:03,176
prepared some additional materials and brought them forward to council

2513
02:50:03,216 --> 02:50:07,976
to provide public clarification. This information clarified the distinction between

2514
02:50:08,077 --> 02:50:12,616
the provincial designation authority and the city's rule in implementation.

2515
02:50:13,277 --> 02:50:17,496
Staff advanced the requirement by - law changes tailored implementation

2516
02:50:17,517 --> 02:50:22,776
to local conditions and coordinated with interior health on operational

2517
02:50:22,957 --> 02:50:26,776
constraints. Staff have made maintained direct communication with the province

2518
02:50:26,816 --> 02:50:30,856
to ensure compliance with regulations and to aid in responding

2519
02:50:30,896 --> 02:50:35,336
to emerging concerns related to the heritage and TOA overlap.

2520
02:50:35,336 --> 02:50:37,816
The province has advised that the city of Kelowna is

2521
02:50:38,237 --> 02:50:42,056
in full compliance. Staff have developed and refined the HEA

2522
02:50:42,077 --> 02:50:45,336
guidelines prepared council reports and produced a for the record

2523
02:50:45,437 --> 02:50:50,616
materials to address misinformation and ensure accurate messaging. In all

2524
02:50:50,637 --> 02:50:53,656
saying of that councillor with regards to this, um, there

2525
02:50:53,656 --> 02:50:56,536
is no hesitation that I have in drafting a letter

2526
02:50:57,037 --> 02:50:59,656
once again and supporting what you've done. And we have

2527
02:50:59,917 --> 02:51:02,736
drafted letters. We have drafted them to the mall. I

2528
02:51:02,736 --> 02:51:04,936
think it was a little bit of a question why

2529
02:51:04,936 --> 02:51:08,136
it was the hospital area as opposed to the Queen's

2530
02:51:08,136 --> 02:51:10,776
way and where it was kind of coming into play.

2531
02:51:10,776 --> 02:51:14,136
And there's no reason for us not to look at

2532
02:51:14,157 --> 02:51:15,896
doing it again if you'd like us to do it

2533
02:51:15,936 --> 02:51:20,376
again. But staff and upon counsel's direction have taken this

2534
02:51:20,637 --> 02:51:23,896
step newer as times and have received confirmation back that

2535
02:51:23,917 --> 02:51:26,936
it ends up being this provincial decision will stay. So

2536
02:51:27,117 --> 02:51:30,376
just from a clarification standpoint so that council is aware

2537
02:51:30,416 --> 02:51:32,536
of the work that has been done to try to

2538
02:51:32,536 --> 02:51:35,336
make it all work out. Councillor Singh, you had comments.

2539
02:51:36,625 --> 02:51:39,804
The worship, thank you. You spoke very eloquently to this.

2540
02:51:39,804 --> 02:51:43,724
Um, is the heritage area worth protecting? Of course it

2541
02:51:43,724 --> 02:51:47,830
is. Uh, but I'm not sure. The problem is going

2542
02:51:47,830 --> 02:51:50,550
to budge from its position. Let's send them a letter.

2543
02:51:51,479 --> 02:51:53,998
Um, we did have a meeting with, uh, a few

2544
02:51:53,998 --> 02:51:59,058
members of the heritage society who felt those new information,

2545
02:51:59,058 --> 02:52:04,658
new energy, new attitude. So maybe, maybe there'll be something.

2546
02:52:04,658 --> 02:52:08,638
Um, let's send a letter. Let's see. But honestly, I'm

2547
02:52:08,638 --> 02:52:13,058
not that confident that the province will change its position.

2548
02:52:13,058 --> 02:52:15,218
But it's worth a try. It's worth a try. I

2549
02:52:15,399 --> 02:52:20,268
will support sending a letter. But I'm not super confident.

2550
02:52:20,268 --> 02:52:21,628
That's all I'm saying. Thank you. But I could be

2551
02:52:21,628 --> 02:52:26,188
proven wrong. Councillor Heart, please. Thank you, worship. Well, here's

2552
02:52:26,228 --> 02:52:29,434
my take. Um, I know that this is really an

2553
02:52:29,474 --> 02:52:34,234
emotional thing. And we all do care about heritage. Councillor

2554
02:52:34,815 --> 02:52:38,234
Stack and Councillor Singh and myself have met with a

2555
02:52:38,234 --> 02:52:42,474
variety of people and the heritage conservation. I have spoke

2556
02:52:42,474 --> 02:52:47,274
to many, many of them. And so here's my take.

2557
02:52:47,274 --> 02:52:49,834
Absolutely what you said, uh, Mayor is true. We have

2558
02:52:49,855 --> 02:52:54,474
gone twice. We have heard Mr. Smith speak about it.

2559
02:52:54,495 --> 02:52:57,594
I have no problem with supporting this motion to go

2560
02:52:57,615 --> 02:53:01,434
forward one more time. Uh, cause it's just the people

2561
02:53:02,175 --> 02:53:06,554
do not feel satisfied with what the government is telling

2562
02:53:06,554 --> 02:53:10,794
us. Um, so if we could, I think we could

2563
02:53:10,834 --> 02:53:14,394
do it one more time. Let's get it really like

2564
02:53:14,434 --> 02:53:16,154
right out there. We've tried this. It'll be our third

2565
02:53:16,175 --> 02:53:19,594
time, third time you're out. Um, I don't know how

2566
02:53:19,634 --> 02:53:22,394
that's going to end up, but if the, the people

2567
02:53:22,575 --> 02:53:25,514
are very emotional about it. And they have really been

2568
02:53:25,615 --> 02:53:28,954
coming forward to us to get more clarity. And I'm

2569
02:53:28,954 --> 02:53:31,034
not sure how much more we'll get. But I'm willing

2570
02:53:31,074 --> 02:53:35,314
to give it another try. And let's see what happens.

2571
02:53:35,314 --> 02:53:38,114
And if staff could do that or mayor and council,

2572
02:53:38,114 --> 02:53:40,194
I think we could give it one more try and

2573
02:53:40,194 --> 02:53:43,234
go for it. And then, and then we could either

2574
02:53:43,274 --> 02:53:47,614
way either work to the advantage or it won't. And

2575
02:53:47,614 --> 02:53:49,954
but we could let to rest. But I'm happy to

2576
02:53:49,954 --> 02:53:52,674
give it one more try. And just to clarification there,

2577
02:53:52,935 --> 02:53:54,994
we'll be coming from mayor and council as the, as

2578
02:53:55,255 --> 02:53:57,154
an outlined with regards to that councillor, do you had

2579
02:53:57,194 --> 02:54:02,603
comments? Yeah. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Very pleased to hear

2580
02:54:02,704 --> 02:54:09,082
your response to, uh, to Councillor Canna's comments. Um, I

2581
02:54:09,122 --> 02:54:16,420
think, who's this, uh. Protect the heritage conservation components, Marseille,

2582
02:54:16,420 --> 02:54:19,614
as much as I can anytime we can. And I

2583
02:54:19,614 --> 02:54:24,174
think it shows great leadership on the sort of councillor

2584
02:54:24,355 --> 02:54:27,054
cans of being a forward again and great leadership on

2585
02:54:27,094 --> 02:54:29,454
your part. We will to look at it again. And

2586
02:54:29,494 --> 02:54:32,814
so I say nothing venture, nothing gate. Let's give it

2587
02:54:32,814 --> 02:54:36,591
one more world. One more time from the top. After

2588
02:54:36,591 --> 02:54:41,871
that, no more wideness living the gold. But as far

2589
02:54:41,871 --> 02:54:44,486
as I concern, this is worth the fight. And it's

2590
02:54:44,507 --> 02:54:48,486
worth the effort. And I, uh, probably both are fighting

2591
02:54:48,526 --> 02:54:51,040
this one. So let's go fight the fight. Thank you.

2592
02:54:51,080 --> 02:54:53,120
Thank you, Mr. Merritt. So saying that all in favor.

2593
02:54:54,366 --> 02:55:01,730
Opposed carried. Thank you. Um, so, um, I will, um,

2594
02:55:02,571 --> 02:55:05,010
thank you all for being here. I appreciate it. Um,

2595
02:55:05,291 --> 02:55:07,910
it was, uh, some of you have been here since

2596
02:55:07,931 --> 02:55:10,710
the beginning of this at, at 1 30. So I

2597
02:55:10,750 --> 02:55:13,030
truly appreciate the time and energy that you put in

2598
02:55:13,070 --> 02:55:15,030
to make certain that that message was carry forward to

2599
02:55:15,131 --> 02:55:19,030
council. Thank you for being here. Um, it's just Mayor

2600
02:55:19,030 --> 02:55:21,710
and Councillor items. Usually they're not all that exciting. So

2601
02:55:21,710 --> 02:55:23,270
you don't have to stay for that if you don't

2602
02:55:23,270 --> 02:55:32,950
want to. Um,

2603
02:55:33,531 --> 02:55:36,550
and saying that I'm going to start, um, city clerk

2604
02:55:36,590 --> 02:55:38,950
am I correct on that. Nothing else. Councillor Wolridge, please.

2605
02:55:43,388 --> 02:55:51,845
Thanks, your worst, that. S your worship. Um,

2606
02:55:52,986 --> 02:55:55,525
uh, starting on a bit of a sad note today,

2607
02:55:55,525 --> 02:55:58,848
but I just wanted to draw council's attention. Um, to

2608
02:55:58,888 --> 02:56:04,928
the passing of Kevin Flynn, who passed away recently. He's

2609
02:56:04,928 --> 02:56:08,528
been a 22 year councillor in salmon arm. And he

2610
02:56:08,789 --> 02:56:11,648
served as the board chair of the Columbia Shushwap regional

2611
02:56:11,688 --> 02:56:16,608
district from 2019 through 2024. I need a short battle

2612
02:56:16,608 --> 02:56:21,168
with cancer here this spring. And unfortunately he passed away.

2613
02:56:21,168 --> 02:56:23,088
Um, so I just wanted to pass on our thoughts

2614
02:56:23,349 --> 02:56:25,968
to his wife, Kathy and their family. Um, I know

2615
02:56:25,968 --> 02:56:28,048
that they both love to dance at every event I

2616
02:56:28,088 --> 02:56:31,888
was at and raise money for their community. And, uh,

2617
02:56:31,929 --> 02:56:34,148
and all those emails he signed off that hug your

2618
02:56:34,188 --> 02:56:37,668
friends, love your family and live every minute. So I

2619
02:56:37,668 --> 02:56:39,668
just wanted to share that with council and pass on

2620
02:56:39,849 --> 02:56:43,730
my condolences to his family. Council, what were you, if

2621
02:56:43,730 --> 02:56:45,610
I may, thank you for sharing that. Kevin and I

2622
02:56:45,650 --> 02:56:47,930
have been in the same business and probably knowing each

2623
02:56:47,930 --> 02:56:51,210
other for about 40 years. Um, so, um, it's been

2624
02:56:51,391 --> 02:56:55,930
a, you know, yeah, sudden surprise because I just saw

2625
02:56:55,951 --> 02:56:58,890
him last year and seemed, you know, I know time

2626
02:56:58,930 --> 02:57:02,410
flies, but quick, but it seems, you know, unreal that

2627
02:57:02,410 --> 02:57:04,810
that kind of took place. So I truly appreciate you

2628
02:57:04,850 --> 02:57:07,050
bringing that up. Thank you. Thank you very much, Councillor.

2629
02:57:07,951 --> 02:57:11,290
Uh, Counciled Hart, please. Thank you worship. Um, just like

2630
02:57:11,290 --> 02:57:13,010
to do a few things. I know it's kind of

2631
02:57:13,010 --> 02:57:15,610
getting the end of the day, but being Deputy Mayor,

2632
02:57:15,610 --> 02:57:17,690
we had some really a lot of stuff going on.

2633
02:57:17,690 --> 02:57:19,850
So I just quickly want to say, and cause a

2634
02:57:19,850 --> 02:57:23,290
lot of councillors did attend things too. So, um, I

2635
02:57:23,391 --> 02:57:25,930
did attend a chamber meeting with several of the safety

2636
02:57:25,951 --> 02:57:30,810
ministers and the solicitor general, uh, last week on Friday.

2637
02:57:30,831 --> 02:57:33,530
I was, because I am the representative for the chamber

2638
02:57:33,711 --> 02:57:36,890
I did attend that. And, um, Minister Callen was there

2639
02:57:36,991 --> 02:57:39,290
too. So that was a great meeting. And we did

2640
02:57:39,290 --> 02:57:41,910
have some guests there. And it went very well. Uh,

2641
02:57:41,910 --> 02:57:44,490
we did attend the food bank, the new premises at

2642
02:57:44,530 --> 02:57:48,810
Pure Mac for, for their storage. I know, um, I'm

2643
02:57:48,850 --> 02:57:51,210
just going to remember what councillors were there, but we

2644
02:57:51,311 --> 02:57:54,250
did attend that. It was just great. A lot of

2645
02:57:54,250 --> 02:57:57,050
the farmers came and that's the whole thing about this.

2646
02:57:57,050 --> 02:57:59,210
We're the farmers where they give food and they needed

2647
02:57:59,250 --> 02:58:01,930
a storage place. So in a nutshell. So we did

2648
02:58:01,970 --> 02:58:06,070
that. Um, we did a lot of us did, um,

2649
02:58:06,111 --> 02:58:08,730
go to the fire department, the recruit for the fire

2650
02:58:08,770 --> 02:58:11,610
department. That was just great. It was a great day.

2651
02:58:11,610 --> 02:58:14,890
And we had 11 recruits. So that was really good.

2652
02:58:14,890 --> 02:58:20,090
Hoopfest was incredible. I enjoyed it thoroughly. Man, and I

2653
02:58:20,090 --> 02:58:22,170
tell you, the thing with hoop fest is young people

2654
02:58:22,351 --> 02:58:27,530
go like basketball young people. You see a different hockey

2655
02:58:27,551 --> 02:58:31,090
and other things, but basketball. And these kids and, oh

2656
02:58:31,090 --> 02:58:33,290
man, it was just fantastic. We had a, it was

2657
02:58:33,290 --> 02:58:36,090
so great to have this in our neighbourhood. And hopefully

2658
02:58:36,111 --> 02:58:38,970
something more will come of that. I did attend for

2659
02:58:39,391 --> 02:58:43,210
on behalf of mayor as deputy mayor, the genealogical society.

2660
02:58:43,210 --> 02:58:46,490
I did a speech there last Saturday morning. And I

2661
02:58:46,490 --> 02:58:50,490
did do the pride proclamation just before that. I also

2662
02:58:50,751 --> 02:58:53,690
did attend the tombud. And I know Councillor Cannon was

2663
02:58:53,730 --> 02:58:58,250
there. And I know you wrote Councillor Lovegrove in Tom

2664
02:58:58,290 --> 02:59:02,250
Buds in his memorial ride. He did raise 250, 000

2665
02:59:02,290 --> 02:59:05,050
dollars that day. And there was over 800. I thought

2666
02:59:05,151 --> 02:59:08,730
it was 800. It was 850 close to 900 riders

2667
02:59:09,071 --> 02:59:13,130
and walkers that day. So good on, on, um, on

2668
02:59:13,311 --> 02:59:17,370
Mr. Bud on Tombud. We did attend the chamber 120th

2669
02:59:17,410 --> 02:59:20,570
anniversary. Of course, our mayor has been president of the

2670
02:59:20,751 --> 02:59:23,470
chamber. And several of us went to that. It was

2671
02:59:23,470 --> 02:59:27,210
a great, great celebration. Uh, I did attend on behalf

2672
02:59:27,250 --> 02:59:31,450
of mayor and council, the LS walk yesterday. And Mac

2673
02:59:31,490 --> 02:59:36,330
Logan, our deputy city. Oh, he just left the city

2674
02:59:36,511 --> 02:59:39,530
manager. He attended. I got a great picture with him.

2675
02:59:39,530 --> 02:59:42,570
And he, he, he went in the walk. And then,

2676
02:59:42,570 --> 02:59:47,850
um, actually I went to the BBI event that afternoon

2677
02:59:48,431 --> 02:59:51,210
on behalf of Mayor and council, I just wanted to

2678
02:59:51,210 --> 02:59:55,050
say this week we're having our huge top 40 under

2679
02:59:55,071 --> 02:59:58,250
40 for the chamber and I'm seeing that with one

2680
02:59:58,290 --> 03:00:02,570
of my colleague, my media colleagues from 99. 9 and

2681
03:00:02,570 --> 03:00:05,130
also on behalf of mayor and council, I'm cutting the

2682
03:00:05,170 --> 03:00:12,090
ribbon for the new mech mountain interior. Um, MEC. Yeah.

2683
03:00:12,671 --> 03:00:17,690
That's right. Co - op. Um, on Saturday morning. And,

2684
03:00:17,690 --> 03:00:19,770
uh, we have some other things going on that day,

2685
03:00:19,770 --> 03:00:22,090
but I will be attending those on behalf of Mayor

2686
03:00:22,090 --> 03:00:24,490
and Council because I know Mayor has some other things

2687
03:00:24,751 --> 03:00:27,450
in the afternoon. He will be attending and speaking at.

2688
03:00:27,490 --> 03:00:31,076
Thank you. Councillor, thank you. And thank you for your,

2689
03:00:31,076 --> 03:00:34,836
um, great assistance and trying to make certain that I'm,

2690
03:00:34,836 --> 03:00:37,076
um, making it too, or at least represented at all

2691
03:00:37,116 --> 03:00:40,836
the functions. You're very, um, a great partner in willing

2692
03:00:40,876 --> 03:00:43,316
to kind of, and some councillors can speak to how

2693
03:00:43,316 --> 03:00:45,316
much, how much that is you have to dig in

2694
03:00:45,356 --> 03:00:50,596
at times. Cause it's, uh, it's pretty constant. Councillor Lovegro,

2695
03:00:50,596 --> 03:00:58,544
please. Thanks, your worship. Um, indeed 100 kilometers. I finished.

2696
03:00:58,544 --> 03:01:01,264
That was job one. Number two stayed alive. I finished

2697
03:01:01,285 --> 03:01:07,790
in the top three. If you count backwards. If you

2698
03:01:07,790 --> 03:01:13,973
count backwards. Seriously, I was very honoured. I was invited

2699
03:01:14,554 --> 03:01:18,993
and I attended the, uh, OKIB fourth annual PAOA. And

2700
03:01:18,993 --> 03:01:21,813
with thanks to Chief Dan Wilson, an amazing event. If

2701
03:01:21,813 --> 03:01:24,053
you haven't gone to a POW, I encourage everybody we

2702
03:01:24,053 --> 03:01:28,173
are in indigenous people's month, right? And I want to

2703
03:01:28,173 --> 03:01:31,333
wish everybody June 21st happy national indigenous day. And we've

2704
03:01:31,333 --> 03:01:34,453
got a turtle I'm festival happening at 1. 30 in

2705
03:01:34,493 --> 03:01:39,493
waterfront park. The day before Saturday is rotary day in

2706
03:01:39,674 --> 03:01:42,693
city park in addition to the deputy mirror launching or

2707
03:01:42,733 --> 03:01:47,413
relaunching mech. And looking forward to being with you tomorrow

2708
03:01:47,994 --> 03:01:51,013
at the Urban Call Launch program. I think it's you,

2709
03:01:51,013 --> 03:01:53,173
Mr. Mayor, that's for relaunching that. I'll be attending on

2710
03:01:53,213 --> 03:01:57,653
behalf of a council, the Silka board meeting in Peachland.

2711
03:01:57,653 --> 03:01:59,813
And just before our pre - budget meeting on Wednesday,

2712
03:01:59,813 --> 03:02:01,333
I'll be trying to sneak in to get to the

2713
03:02:01,354 --> 03:02:07,927
Okanagan museum AGM. Thanks, your worship. Thank you. Uh, Councillor

2714
03:02:07,967 --> 03:02:11,610
Singh, please. I just want to remind all my council

2715
03:02:11,650 --> 03:02:15,130
colleagues that on the 20th, nine o'clock yoga in the

2716
03:02:15,170 --> 03:02:20,204
park. And it's heartfulness. I'll see you there, Rick. I

2717
03:02:20,244 --> 03:02:22,044
know how much you love yoga. And to get up

2718
03:02:22,044 --> 03:02:27,704
first thing in the morning. And the yet ratiyastra, the

2719
03:02:27,704 --> 03:02:30,404
Hindu parade. So I'll see you all there. I think

2720
03:02:30,545 --> 03:02:33,682
it'll start about 11 o'clock. You get to sweep the

2721
03:02:33,722 --> 03:02:37,271
floor. Yoga starts at nine, I think. Yes, Yoga starts

2722
03:02:37,271 --> 03:02:40,369
at nine. But you get to sweep the streets. With

2723
03:02:40,409 --> 03:02:46,454
the golden broom. Putting me to work. Councillor Cannon, please.

2724
03:02:46,475 --> 03:02:48,774
Thank you. Worship on Saturday. I was invited to be

2725
03:02:48,774 --> 03:02:52,534
part of a panel with George Greenwin from SEAL from

2726
03:02:52,534 --> 03:02:56,614
the chamber and Dr. Lee from the UBCO. And the

2727
03:02:56,715 --> 03:03:00,774
economic director general from economic division from Taipei. And it

2728
03:03:00,774 --> 03:03:03,654
was about the Taiwan, the chip industry. I talked about

2729
03:03:03,675 --> 03:03:06,774
how the long - term vision took about 50 years

2730
03:03:07,675 --> 03:03:10,534
of planning. And it's really interesting. And it was how

2731
03:03:10,574 --> 03:03:13,974
we can, as a city, look at planning in the

2732
03:03:13,974 --> 03:03:17,254
future. And it was what can Kelowna be like in

2733
03:03:17,294 --> 03:03:19,174
10, 20, 30 years. And it was a very good

2734
03:03:19,355 --> 03:03:24,996
discussion. In the director general from Taiwan. Economic development out

2735
03:03:24,996 --> 03:03:30,836
of Vancouver. Asked me to present this beautiful artwork to

2736
03:03:31,177 --> 03:03:34,196
council and yourself, your worship as a foot on display.

2737
03:03:36,057 --> 03:03:38,116
Yeah. Beautiful piece of artwork. So I'd like to present

2738
03:03:38,217 --> 03:03:43,316
it to you and half of that Tywin second. No.

2739
03:03:44,857 --> 03:03:48,589
Yes. I'm going to. Give it to her. Oh, you

2740
03:03:48,589 --> 03:03:50,129
want to get all counsel in it? Yeah, that's good.

2741
03:03:50,870 --> 03:03:53,249
It all counts. Well, can we finish up in the

2742
03:03:53,289 --> 03:03:55,409
book? Yeah. Finish up and then we'll go down and

2743
03:03:55,449 --> 03:04:00,369
take it off. True to that. Anything else to say,

2744
03:04:00,369 --> 03:04:07,219
council. Saying not. Councillor Cannon, thank you for attending that.

2745
03:04:07,219 --> 03:04:09,059
And thank you for this. And I think a good

2746
03:04:09,160 --> 03:04:11,119
picture with all of us out front would be, uh,

2747
03:04:11,960 --> 03:04:13,379
work. So saying that we are adjourned.