1 00:00:02,480 --> 00:00:04,960 Good morning everyone. It is Tuesday, 2 00:00:04,960 --> 00:00:06,879 August 25th at 9:00 am and this 3 00:00:06,879 --> 00:00:08,480 regularly called session of the Kendall 4 00:00:08,480 --> 00:00:10,160 County Commissioner Court is now called 5 00:00:10,160 --> 00:00:12,719 to order. Uh we'll begin by calling a 6 00:00:12,719 --> 00:00:14,080 role. Mr. McCall 7 00:00:14,080 --> 00:00:14,480 >> present. 8 00:00:14,480 --> 00:00:15,360 >> Commissioner Oian 9 00:00:15,360 --> 00:00:15,920 >> present. 10 00:00:15,920 --> 00:00:16,720 >> Commissioner Chapman 11 00:00:16,720 --> 00:00:17,359 >> here. 12 00:00:17,359 --> 00:00:18,240 >> Commissioner Carpenter 13 00:00:18,240 --> 00:00:19,920 >> here and I'm present. We have a quorum 14 00:00:19,920 --> 00:00:21,520 consisting of all five members of the 15 00:00:21,520 --> 00:00:23,680 court. I'm just going to make a general 16 00:00:23,680 --> 00:00:25,039 uh a couple general announcements before 17 00:00:25,039 --> 00:00:26,400 I hand over to my colleagues, 18 00:00:26,400 --> 00:00:27,680 Commissioner McCll and Commissioner 19 00:00:27,680 --> 00:00:29,119 Ouija for announcements of our prayer 20 00:00:29,119 --> 00:00:32,239 and pledge. First, we're pulling item 26 21 00:00:32,239 --> 00:00:34,800 from the agenda today. 22 00:00:34,800 --> 00:00:37,520 Uh number two, we are going to be doing 23 00:00:37,520 --> 00:00:40,800 service awards after our um declaration 24 00:00:40,800 --> 00:00:46,069 of conflict of interest. 25 00:00:46,079 --> 00:00:53,440 Next, uh I know we have some uh very uh 26 00:00:53,440 --> 00:00:55,360 community 27 00:00:55,360 --> 00:00:59,440 sensitive issues on the agenda today. 28 00:00:59,440 --> 00:01:01,680 uh particularly the flock camera debate. 29 00:01:01,680 --> 00:01:03,680 So I just remind you this is a courtroom 30 00:01:03,680 --> 00:01:07,360 and so I remind you to uh there's going 31 00:01:07,360 --> 00:01:10,159 to be no applause. Keep your if you have 32 00:01:10,159 --> 00:01:12,799 comments save them for afterwards. Uh 33 00:01:12,799 --> 00:01:15,600 we're just going to engage in educated 34 00:01:15,600 --> 00:01:17,920 debate today. So be respectful of 35 00:01:17,920 --> 00:01:20,960 opposing viewpoints and we're going to 36 00:01:20,960 --> 00:01:22,799 limit everyone's comments. We have so 37 00:01:22,799 --> 00:01:25,040 many people that are interested in this 38 00:01:25,040 --> 00:01:27,280 issue in order to get through everybody. 39 00:01:27,280 --> 00:01:28,479 Everyone's going to have two minutes 40 00:01:28,479 --> 00:01:31,200 today, those four and against. And that 41 00:01:31,200 --> 00:01:32,960 will give the court enough time to 42 00:01:32,960 --> 00:01:34,880 thoroughly vet this issue and give 43 00:01:34,880 --> 00:01:36,720 everyone the full opportunity to speak 44 00:01:36,720 --> 00:01:39,600 today. And so with that, we're going to 45 00:01:39,600 --> 00:01:41,600 begin with our prayer and pledge. 46 00:01:41,600 --> 00:01:42,880 >> Good morning, everyone. I wanted to 47 00:01:42,880 --> 00:01:45,119 welcome you. I'd like to welcome Pastor 48 00:01:45,119 --> 00:01:47,439 Neil Vanderbush from Messiah Lutheran 49 00:01:47,439 --> 00:01:53,670 Church to open us in prayer. 50 00:01:53,680 --> 00:01:55,439 » I invite you to join with me in prayer 51 00:01:55,439 --> 00:01:58,240 this evening. Our gracious heavenly 52 00:01:58,240 --> 00:01:59,759 father, we thank you and praise you for 53 00:01:59,759 --> 00:02:01,360 this good day. And we thank you for this 54 00:02:01,360 --> 00:02:03,600 place that we call home in the county. 55 00:02:03,600 --> 00:02:05,040 We ask you, oh Lord, that you would 56 00:02:05,040 --> 00:02:07,119 guide us this day with wisdom and 57 00:02:07,119 --> 00:02:09,200 discretion that as a community, oh Lord, 58 00:02:09,200 --> 00:02:11,680 we are all concerned at uh all the 59 00:02:11,680 --> 00:02:13,840 business every day. But Lord, there are 60 00:02:13,840 --> 00:02:15,280 certain things that are especially on 61 00:02:15,280 --> 00:02:18,720 our mind. So give us also peace. We 62 00:02:18,720 --> 00:02:20,959 would communicate clearly, that we would 63 00:02:20,959 --> 00:02:23,280 hear, that we would listen, discern. But 64 00:02:23,280 --> 00:02:25,440 especially for these commissioners, we 65 00:02:25,440 --> 00:02:27,120 pray that you would bless them, oh Lord, 66 00:02:27,120 --> 00:02:30,959 with wisdom, discernment, discretion, 67 00:02:30,959 --> 00:02:34,160 fortitude. The truth would be known. 68 00:02:34,160 --> 00:02:35,680 That your people, oh Lord, would be 69 00:02:35,680 --> 00:02:38,239 blessed. Thank you for their service to 70 00:02:38,239 --> 00:02:40,800 us in this community. Lord, we also 71 00:02:40,800 --> 00:02:42,080 thank you, oh Lord, for the beautiful 72 00:02:42,080 --> 00:02:45,519 land, for its dry. So we pray, oh Lord, 73 00:02:45,519 --> 00:02:48,400 for rain, but we also pray for all those 74 00:02:48,400 --> 00:02:50,720 that deal with emergencies that come at 75 00:02:50,720 --> 00:02:53,200 this time of year. We pray with great 76 00:02:53,200 --> 00:02:55,040 thanksgiving for all of our emergency 77 00:02:55,040 --> 00:02:57,040 service personnel that you would bless 78 00:02:57,040 --> 00:02:58,720 them and their families so that they can 79 00:02:58,720 --> 00:03:01,120 be about the tasks of caring for us 80 00:03:01,120 --> 00:03:03,680 especially in times of need. We thank 81 00:03:03,680 --> 00:03:06,159 you also for our infrastructure and we 82 00:03:06,159 --> 00:03:07,840 pray Lord that our infrastructure would 83 00:03:07,840 --> 00:03:09,440 be blessed not only for this generation 84 00:03:09,440 --> 00:03:11,920 but generations to come and that 85 00:03:11,920 --> 00:03:14,000 decisions that are made today oh Lord 86 00:03:14,000 --> 00:03:15,599 would bless the growth that's happening 87 00:03:15,599 --> 00:03:18,800 here but Lord as people come we know 88 00:03:18,800 --> 00:03:21,120 Lord it also brings change. So help us 89 00:03:21,120 --> 00:03:24,319 to be the best neighbors that we can be. 90 00:03:24,319 --> 00:03:26,000 We thank you, oh Lord, that for the love 91 00:03:26,000 --> 00:03:28,480 that you have given many of us for you. 92 00:03:28,480 --> 00:03:30,159 But we pray that we would also be that 93 00:03:30,159 --> 00:03:33,760 love poured out for our neighbors. 94 00:03:33,760 --> 00:03:35,360 It is in your precious name, our savior 95 00:03:35,360 --> 00:03:37,280 Jesus, that we pray, knowing that live 96 00:03:37,280 --> 00:03:39,440 that you live and reign with the father, 97 00:03:39,440 --> 00:03:41,519 the holy spirit, one God now and 98 00:03:41,519 --> 00:03:42,879 forever. Amen. 99 00:03:42,879 --> 00:03:43,920 >> Amen. 100 00:03:43,920 --> 00:03:45,200 >> Thank you. 101 00:03:45,200 --> 00:03:46,640 At this time, I'd like to welcome 102 00:03:46,640 --> 00:03:48,640 Preston Hill, who lead the pledges, and 103 00:03:48,640 --> 00:03:51,120 he's a member of the Voss Eagle football 104 00:03:51,120 --> 00:03:52,080 team. Will 105 00:03:52,080 --> 00:03:56,309 >> Preston 106 00:03:56,319 --> 00:03:58,640 to the flag of the United States of 107 00:03:58,640 --> 00:04:01,200 America, and to the republic for which 108 00:04:01,200 --> 00:04:04,560 it stands, one nation under God, 109 00:04:04,560 --> 00:04:06,879 indivisible, with liberty and justice 110 00:04:06,879 --> 00:04:09,519 for all. 111 00:04:09,519 --> 00:04:12,560 Texas flag. I pledge algiance to the 112 00:04:12,560 --> 00:04:15,920 Texas one state under God one and 113 00:04:15,920 --> 00:04:27,510 indivisible. 114 00:04:27,520 --> 00:04:29,680 uh this opportunity for to announce 115 00:04:29,680 --> 00:04:31,360 declarations of conflict of interest. 116 00:04:31,360 --> 00:04:32,880 Anything from you ladies today? Yeah. 117 00:04:32,880 --> 00:04:34,800 Nothing gentlemen. Anything from you? 118 00:04:34,800 --> 00:04:36,000 >> Nothing from me. 119 00:04:36,000 --> 00:04:39,040 >> And now we'll move to our 120 00:04:39,040 --> 00:04:46,550 awards. 121 00:04:46,560 --> 00:04:48,560 » We have two uh folks that are not here 122 00:04:48,560 --> 00:04:50,880 today that were to receive awards. 123 00:04:50,880 --> 00:04:52,880 First, Brenda Falcone with our district 124 00:04:52,880 --> 00:04:56,639 clerk 10 years of service. and then also 125 00:04:56,639 --> 00:05:01,199 Jesus minares uh recycling 15 years. Uh 126 00:05:01,199 --> 00:05:03,520 so we'll start with uh Dalton Hurst with 127 00:05:03,520 --> 00:05:06,320 our sheriff's office 5 years. Dalton, 128 00:05:06,320 --> 00:05:15,670 are you here? Yes, sir. 129 00:05:15,680 --> 00:05:16,880 » Appreciate your service to talk. Yes, 130 00:05:16,880 --> 00:05:19,280 sir. Thank you. 131 00:05:19,280 --> 00:05:21,759 >> Would you like to say anything? 132 00:05:21,759 --> 00:05:23,759 Thanks, everybody. 133 00:05:23,759 --> 00:05:42,230 All 134 00:05:42,240 --> 00:05:45,440 right, next up, Tammy Coward. 135 00:05:45,440 --> 00:05:50,950 10 years of service. 136 00:05:50,960 --> 00:05:58,230 » Congratulations. 137 00:05:58,240 --> 00:06:00,880 I enjoy being part of the community. I'm 138 00:06:00,880 --> 00:06:17,670 proud to say I work for family. 139 00:06:17,680 --> 00:06:22,309 Congratulations 140 00:06:22,319 --> 00:06:24,720 Uh, next up, Deanna Gomeberg, tax 141 00:06:24,720 --> 00:06:39,110 office. 10 years. 142 00:06:39,120 --> 00:06:49,350 » You're welcome. 143 00:06:49,360 --> 00:06:50,319 » Thank you, Dan. 144 00:06:50,319 --> 00:06:52,160 >> Congratulations. 145 00:06:52,160 --> 00:06:55,280 Uh, next up, Heidi Justice, Auditor's 146 00:06:55,280 --> 00:07:03,909 Office, another 10 years. 147 00:07:03,919 --> 00:07:05,120 » Congratulations. 148 00:07:05,120 --> 00:07:06,479 >> Would you like to say anything? 149 00:07:06,479 --> 00:07:22,950 >> Yes. It has been a wild ride. 150 00:07:22,960 --> 00:07:33,029 Uh, another 10 years. Linda Wilkey. 151 00:07:33,039 --> 00:07:37,350 » I know you have something to say. 152 00:07:37,360 --> 00:07:39,680 » Um, thank you everyone. I love working 153 00:07:39,680 --> 00:07:43,360 for the county. It's an amazing job. So, 154 00:07:43,360 --> 00:07:56,230 >> thank you all. 155 00:07:56,240 --> 00:07:59,120 And last but not least, Dennis Rusk with 156 00:07:59,120 --> 00:08:13,830 Roden Bridge. 35 years. 157 00:08:13,840 --> 00:08:16,720 Thank you for joining us. 158 00:08:16,720 --> 00:08:18,160 Would you like to say anything after all 159 00:08:18,160 --> 00:08:28,629 your years of time here? 160 00:08:28,639 --> 00:08:29,919 » Thank you for coming. 161 00:08:29,919 --> 00:08:31,280 >> But I do have a request. Just can you 162 00:08:31,280 --> 00:08:32,479 get a picture with his family? 163 00:08:32,479 --> 00:08:40,709 >> 100%. I didn't know your family. 164 00:08:40,719 --> 00:08:46,150 A 165 00:08:46,160 --> 00:08:57,670 perfect. 166 00:08:57,680 --> 00:09:00,399 » So cute. 167 00:09:00,399 --> 00:09:00,640 >> Doug, 168 00:09:00,640 --> 00:09:01,600 >> you going to get in there? 169 00:09:01,600 --> 00:09:04,790 >> Sure. 170 00:09:04,800 --> 00:09:07,839 » Don't worry, he won't bite. 171 00:09:07,839 --> 00:09:24,150 All right. 172 00:09:24,160 --> 00:09:26,080 Now, we're going to get back 173 00:09:26,080 --> 00:09:28,959 on on order here. Uh we're going to 174 00:09:28,959 --> 00:09:30,320 start with comments from the bench. 175 00:09:30,320 --> 00:09:31,600 Commissioner McCall, would you like to 176 00:09:31,600 --> 00:09:32,640 say anything today? 177 00:09:32,640 --> 00:09:34,240 >> Yes. Uh I wanted to say that I 178 00:09:34,240 --> 00:09:36,080 appreciate all the emails, messages, 179 00:09:36,080 --> 00:09:38,320 phone calls regarding the agenda today. 180 00:09:38,320 --> 00:09:40,000 This is how local government should 181 00:09:40,000 --> 00:09:42,399 operate. Constituents having access to 182 00:09:42,399 --> 00:09:44,000 and engaging with their elected 183 00:09:44,000 --> 00:09:46,080 officials. Through your outreach, you 184 00:09:46,080 --> 00:09:48,240 have provided me with tre a tremendous 185 00:09:48,240 --> 00:09:50,160 amount of information and perspective 186 00:09:50,160 --> 00:09:52,880 that I otherwise may not have had. Your 187 00:09:52,880 --> 00:09:54,800 input has been invaluable in helping me 188 00:09:54,800 --> 00:09:56,240 better understand the issues and 189 00:09:56,240 --> 00:09:58,640 considerations surrounding decisions 190 00:09:58,640 --> 00:10:00,959 today. Thank you for taking the time to 191 00:10:00,959 --> 00:10:03,040 be involved and for being part of the 192 00:10:03,040 --> 00:10:05,360 decisionmaking process in commissioner's 193 00:10:05,360 --> 00:10:08,000 court today. Public participation and 194 00:10:08,000 --> 00:10:09,680 engagement are essential to good 195 00:10:09,680 --> 00:10:12,000 government and I appreciate everyone who 196 00:10:12,000 --> 00:10:14,880 reached out and shared their views. 197 00:10:14,880 --> 00:10:16,160 >> Thank you, Commissioner Region. 198 00:10:16,160 --> 00:10:17,279 >> Thank you, Judge. Good morning, 199 00:10:17,279 --> 00:10:19,279 everyone. So, some good news. Kindle 200 00:10:19,279 --> 00:10:22,079 County has been selected as one of 10 201 00:10:22,079 --> 00:10:24,959 counties statewide to receive a 2026 202 00:10:24,959 --> 00:10:27,200 Texas Association of Counties Best 203 00:10:27,200 --> 00:10:29,839 Practices Award. This award recognizes 204 00:10:29,839 --> 00:10:31,600 the pro program that we developed with 205 00:10:31,600 --> 00:10:33,760 the Birkheim volunteer fire department 206 00:10:33,760 --> 00:10:35,920 to address gaps in emergency response 207 00:10:35,920 --> 00:10:38,160 when volunteers are not available. The 208 00:10:38,160 --> 00:10:39,680 goal was to have personnel at the 209 00:10:39,680 --> 00:10:42,000 Burkheim station 24 hours a day while 210 00:10:42,000 --> 00:10:44,480 keeping the volunteer model and that's 211 00:10:44,480 --> 00:10:46,800 what Burkheim has accomplished. So in 212 00:10:46,800 --> 00:10:48,480 addition to the county, this award 213 00:10:48,480 --> 00:10:50,640 belongs to Burheim to the men and women 214 00:10:50,640 --> 00:10:52,560 who've made it work. So TAC will be here 215 00:10:52,560 --> 00:10:54,720 in October to formally present the award 216 00:10:54,720 --> 00:10:57,200 and we'll have u those men and women in 217 00:10:57,200 --> 00:10:58,640 with us. But I just wanted to let 218 00:10:58,640 --> 00:10:59,680 everybody know that today. 219 00:10:59,680 --> 00:11:01,680 >> Great. Thank you, Commissioner Region. 220 00:11:01,680 --> 00:11:03,839 Commissioner Chapman, anything from me? 221 00:11:03,839 --> 00:11:07,519 >> Uh, no. Judge, I'm gonna let you cover 222 00:11:07,519 --> 00:11:08,000 that. 223 00:11:08,000 --> 00:11:13,350 >> All right. Thank you. 224 00:11:13,360 --> 00:11:14,880 » Commissioner Carpenter, you're up. 225 00:11:14,880 --> 00:11:17,760 >> Okay. Uh, so couple things just to make 226 00:11:17,760 --> 00:11:20,560 an announcement. Uh, coming up Friday, 227 00:11:20,560 --> 00:11:23,600 October 9th, 2026, 228 00:11:23,600 --> 00:11:25,920 uh, at 6:30 at Singing Waters Vineyard 229 00:11:25,920 --> 00:11:28,160 in Comfort, Texas. Uh there's going to 230 00:11:28,160 --> 00:11:30,079 be the Kendall County Friends of the 231 00:11:30,079 --> 00:11:32,959 Night Sky hosting a star party. And so 232 00:11:32,959 --> 00:11:35,680 that's going to be an opportunity to uh 233 00:11:35,680 --> 00:11:39,120 get educated about stars and see the 234 00:11:39,120 --> 00:11:40,880 stars through telescopes. It's going to 235 00:11:40,880 --> 00:11:44,560 be a fun night for kids and families. Uh 236 00:11:44,560 --> 00:11:49,120 and then there's a a group of local 237 00:11:49,120 --> 00:11:50,959 youngsters that have put together a 238 00:11:50,959 --> 00:11:54,000 pamphlet to help protect the night. Uh 239 00:11:54,000 --> 00:11:57,600 it's furtherance of protecting against 240 00:11:57,600 --> 00:11:59,760 light pollution. And so they're they've 241 00:11:59,760 --> 00:12:01,920 created a flyer. It's going to be put 242 00:12:01,920 --> 00:12:03,680 out throughout the community. They're 243 00:12:03,680 --> 00:12:05,760 going to be at the Kendall County Fair 244 00:12:05,760 --> 00:12:07,680 in a booth. Uh I encourage you to go 245 00:12:07,680 --> 00:12:09,839 visit them and you'll get this little 246 00:12:09,839 --> 00:12:11,440 packet they they created all by 247 00:12:11,440 --> 00:12:13,839 themselves. They're working for their uh 248 00:12:13,839 --> 00:12:15,680 what's the equivalent of the Girl Scout 249 00:12:15,680 --> 00:12:18,880 equivalent of the Eagle Scout badge. And 250 00:12:18,880 --> 00:12:20,880 so try to visit them. you get a chance 251 00:12:20,880 --> 00:12:24,160 to win a Friends of the Dark Sky placard 252 00:12:24,160 --> 00:12:27,600 for if you sign up to um be part of 253 00:12:27,600 --> 00:12:29,839 their list. And so I just wanted to make 254 00:12:29,839 --> 00:12:31,680 that announcement on their behalf. So, 255 00:12:31,680 --> 00:12:32,320 thank you. 256 00:12:32,320 --> 00:12:35,600 >> And one other piggyback on that. There 257 00:12:35,600 --> 00:12:39,519 will also be a uh $100 gift certificate 258 00:12:39,519 --> 00:12:43,839 awarded there at uh one of the local 259 00:12:43,839 --> 00:12:46,399 hardware stores donated generously a 260 00:12:46,399 --> 00:12:50,720 $100 gift certificate to actually 261 00:12:50,720 --> 00:12:54,560 support Dark Skies. And so he was our 262 00:12:54,560 --> 00:12:56,240 Ace Hardware 263 00:12:56,240 --> 00:12:59,680 >> distributor here in in town. And so I 264 00:12:59,680 --> 00:13:02,800 would like to thank him for and all of 265 00:13:02,800 --> 00:13:05,360 his team for donating that for the dark 266 00:13:05,360 --> 00:13:05,920 skies. 267 00:13:05,920 --> 00:13:07,120 >> I think we have one of their team 268 00:13:07,120 --> 00:13:12,949 members here today. Would you stand up? 269 00:13:12,959 --> 00:13:15,120 » So thank you for your family support of 270 00:13:15,120 --> 00:13:16,959 this initiative. 271 00:13:16,959 --> 00:13:18,480 All right. Not to put you on the spot, 272 00:13:18,480 --> 00:13:21,519 but I did. 273 00:13:21,519 --> 00:13:24,720 >> Um All right. So next up, accounts 274 00:13:24,720 --> 00:13:27,200 payable claims. So consideration and 275 00:13:27,200 --> 00:13:28,639 possible action on approval of accounts 276 00:13:28,639 --> 00:13:30,399 payable claims for purchase services or 277 00:13:30,399 --> 00:13:34,310 vendors. 278 00:13:34,320 --> 00:13:37,120 » So what's the total on today's uh 22 279 00:13:37,120 --> 00:13:38,800 pages of uh 280 00:13:38,800 --> 00:13:40,720 >> judge and commissioners today claims are 281 00:13:40,720 --> 00:13:45,670 in the amount of $946,810.31. 282 00:13:45,680 --> 00:13:47,839 » Does anyone have any issues with any of 283 00:13:47,839 --> 00:13:50,720 the claims? If not, I'll entertain a 284 00:13:50,720 --> 00:13:52,880 motion at this time. Judge, I move to 285 00:13:52,880 --> 00:13:54,959 approve accounts payable claims for 286 00:13:54,959 --> 00:13:57,279 purchases, services, and vendors in the 287 00:13:57,279 --> 00:14:00,790 amount of $946,810.31 288 00:14:00,800 --> 00:14:01,199 cents. 289 00:14:01,199 --> 00:14:02,480 >> Thank you for that motion. Commissioner 290 00:14:02,480 --> 00:14:03,760 Legion. Do I have a second? 291 00:14:03,760 --> 00:14:04,639 >> Second. 292 00:14:04,639 --> 00:14:06,320 >> Seconded by Commissioner McCall. Any 293 00:14:06,320 --> 00:14:09,519 further discussion? If not, Teresa, 294 00:14:09,519 --> 00:14:10,720 please call call the vote. 295 00:14:10,720 --> 00:14:11,680 >> Commissioner McCall. 296 00:14:11,680 --> 00:14:12,160 >> I. 297 00:14:12,160 --> 00:14:13,199 >> Commissioner Legion. 298 00:14:13,199 --> 00:14:13,680 >> I. 299 00:14:13,680 --> 00:14:14,800 >> Commissioner Chapman. 300 00:14:14,800 --> 00:14:15,199 >> I. 301 00:14:15,199 --> 00:14:16,320 >> Commissioner Carpenter. 302 00:14:16,320 --> 00:14:16,639 >> I. 303 00:14:16,639 --> 00:14:17,600 >> Judge Delisac. 304 00:14:17,600 --> 00:14:19,680 >> I. Motion carries five to zero. 305 00:14:19,680 --> 00:14:20,880 >> Judge, can I go ahead and test these 306 00:14:20,880 --> 00:15:49,189 out? Yes, ma'am. 307 00:15:49,199 --> 00:15:51,600 Okay, next up, uh, request for 308 00:15:51,600 --> 00:15:53,600 Commissioner's Court to recognize Pete 309 00:15:53,600 --> 00:15:56,959 MSAS, paramedic, RCN, RN, and Jennifer 310 00:15:56,959 --> 00:15:58,639 Harris, paramedic, for their efforts in 311 00:15:58,639 --> 00:16:01,040 the care and exceptional EMS services to 312 00:16:01,040 --> 00:16:03,360 our community. 313 00:16:03,360 --> 00:16:05,199 Brian, 314 00:16:05,199 --> 00:16:06,000 >> morning, judge. Good morning, 315 00:16:06,000 --> 00:16:06,560 commissioners. 316 00:16:06,560 --> 00:16:08,000 >> Morning. 317 00:16:08,000 --> 00:16:11,199 Um these two individuals were dispatched 318 00:16:11,199 --> 00:16:14,399 to our courthouse for a uh individual 319 00:16:14,399 --> 00:16:16,639 that had a medical episode. Patient was 320 00:16:16,639 --> 00:16:21,360 a special needs individual adult. Uh 321 00:16:21,360 --> 00:16:23,279 with the help of them and our local law 322 00:16:23,279 --> 00:16:25,440 enforcement sheriff's office, they 323 00:16:25,440 --> 00:16:27,440 helped deescalate the situation, get the 324 00:16:27,440 --> 00:16:29,360 patient treated and transported to the 325 00:16:29,360 --> 00:16:32,160 appropriate facilities. Uh they showed 326 00:16:32,160 --> 00:16:35,440 compassion and professionalism 327 00:16:35,440 --> 00:16:38,959 above and beyond normal call of duty and 328 00:16:38,959 --> 00:16:40,880 they need to be recognized for that. 329 00:16:40,880 --> 00:16:42,880 >> And and I can concur to this because it 330 00:16:42,880 --> 00:16:44,480 was my court proceeding where this 331 00:16:44,480 --> 00:16:50,000 happened and um what I observed was 332 00:16:50,000 --> 00:16:53,040 outstanding because this was a 333 00:16:53,040 --> 00:16:55,519 individual in high distress and with 334 00:16:55,519 --> 00:16:58,800 extreme mental needs. Uh and they just 335 00:16:58,800 --> 00:17:05,039 stepped up. And so I'd like to read the recognition uh for everyone. 336 00:17:05,039 --> 00:17:06,640 Well, first of all, can Peter and 337 00:17:06,640 --> 00:17:14,230 Jennifer come up? 338 00:17:14,240 --> 00:17:16,160 » Thank you. 339 00:17:16,160 --> 00:17:17,360 >> Yeah, you can just stand right in front 340 00:17:17,360 --> 00:17:22,069 here. 341 00:17:22,079 --> 00:17:24,319 Peter and Jennifer, it's with great 342 00:17:24,319 --> 00:17:26,400 appreciation and pride that I recognize 343 00:17:26,400 --> 00:17:28,079 you both for the outstanding care, 344 00:17:28,079 --> 00:17:29,520 compassion, and profession 345 00:17:29,520 --> 00:17:31,440 professionalism you recently 346 00:17:31,440 --> 00:17:32,880 demonstrated while caring for an 347 00:17:32,880 --> 00:17:34,880 autistic patient who experienced a 348 00:17:34,880 --> 00:17:36,640 seizure and required transport to the 349 00:17:36,640 --> 00:17:39,200 hospital. Every day, EMS professionals 350 00:17:39,200 --> 00:17:41,200 are called upon to provide medical care 351 00:17:41,200 --> 00:17:42,640 during some of the most difficult 352 00:17:42,640 --> 00:17:44,960 moments in a person's life. What sets 353 00:17:44,960 --> 00:17:46,640 exceptional providers apart is their 354 00:17:46,640 --> 00:17:48,240 ability to combine clinical excel 355 00:17:48,240 --> 00:17:50,880 excellence with genuine compassion. The 356 00:17:50,880 --> 00:17:52,880 care you both provided exemplified 357 00:17:52,880 --> 00:17:55,520 exactly that. Pete, as a dedicated 358 00:17:55,520 --> 00:17:57,120 member of Kendall County EMS for the 359 00:17:57,120 --> 00:17:59,120 past 5 years, you have consistently 360 00:17:59,120 --> 00:18:00,559 demonstrated a commitment to serving 361 00:18:00,559 --> 00:18:01,919 others with professionalism and 362 00:18:01,919 --> 00:18:03,520 integrity. 363 00:18:03,520 --> 00:18:05,760 Jennifer, although newly hired to our 364 00:18:05,760 --> 00:18:07,679 organization, you brought over two 365 00:18:07,679 --> 00:18:09,520 decades of experience to this call and 366 00:18:09,520 --> 00:18:11,039 immediately demonstrated the qualities 367 00:18:11,039 --> 00:18:13,200 that define an exceptional EMS 368 00:18:13,200 --> 00:18:15,200 professional. The patience, 369 00:18:15,200 --> 00:18:17,039 understanding, empathy, and reassurance 370 00:18:17,039 --> 00:18:20,400 you both showed to the patient and those 371 00:18:20,400 --> 00:18:22,240 involved in his care reflected the very 372 00:18:22,240 --> 00:18:24,400 best of our profession. Your countless 373 00:18:24,400 --> 00:18:26,240 hours of training, education, and 374 00:18:26,240 --> 00:18:28,320 experience were evident not only in the 375 00:18:28,320 --> 00:18:30,080 medical treatment you provided, but also 376 00:18:30,080 --> 00:18:32,160 in the compassion and dignity with which 377 00:18:32,160 --> 00:18:34,320 you treated the patient. The calm and 378 00:18:34,320 --> 00:18:36,160 caring manner you displayed help create 379 00:18:36,160 --> 00:18:37,919 a safe and supportive environment during 380 00:18:37,919 --> 00:18:40,080 a stressful event. The actions you 381 00:18:40,080 --> 00:18:42,000 demonstrated are reminder that EMS is 382 00:18:42,000 --> 00:18:43,919 about more than medical interventions. 383 00:18:43,919 --> 00:18:46,160 It's about serving others with humility, 384 00:18:46,160 --> 00:18:48,320 kindness, and respect. Your commitment 385 00:18:48,320 --> 00:18:50,080 to providing patient centered care 386 00:18:50,080 --> 00:18:52,160 serves as an example for all of us and 387 00:18:52,160 --> 00:18:53,440 reflects the highest standards of 388 00:18:53,440 --> 00:18:55,600 Kendall County EMS. Thank you both for 389 00:18:55,600 --> 00:18:57,600 your dedication, professionalism, and 390 00:18:57,600 --> 00:18:59,200 servant-hearted approach to caring for 391 00:18:59,200 --> 00:19:00,880 our community. Your efforts do not go 392 00:19:00,880 --> 00:19:03,120 unnoticed and are deeply appreciated. 393 00:19:03,120 --> 00:19:15,110 So, let's give these both both these. 394 00:19:15,120 --> 00:19:43,430 » Thank you. Thank you again. 395 00:19:43,440 --> 00:19:44,320 Thank you. 396 00:19:44,320 --> 00:19:46,400 >> And it wasn't just the EMS. Our 397 00:19:46,400 --> 00:19:49,280 dedicated law enforcement uh officers in 398 00:19:49,280 --> 00:19:53,039 this building, Mark Diamond, Obie, Gabe, 399 00:19:53,039 --> 00:19:55,840 and others stepped up at at this moment 400 00:19:55,840 --> 00:20:01,600 of crisis as well and showed exceptional uh service to this 401 00:20:01,600 --> 00:20:03,120 community. So, let's give them a round 402 00:20:03,120 --> 00:20:20,710 of applause. 403 00:20:20,720 --> 00:20:23,679 All right. Uh, next up, our burn band. 404 00:20:23,679 --> 00:20:28,710 There's Brady here. one 405 00:20:28,720 --> 00:20:30,559 consideration and possible action uh 406 00:20:30,559 --> 00:20:35,909 regarding order number 0-20260825-1 407 00:20:35,919 --> 00:20:39,280 » uh regarding the burn ban. So let's see. 408 00:20:39,280 --> 00:20:41,840 So I know that conditions have worsened, 409 00:20:41,840 --> 00:20:42,400 >> correct? 410 00:20:42,400 --> 00:20:44,400 >> What what can you tell us today, Juan? 411 00:20:44,400 --> 00:20:49,919 >> Uh so the KBDI is up uh to 576. 412 00:20:49,919 --> 00:20:53,600 The trends in grass fires have also uh 413 00:20:53,600 --> 00:20:54,799 went up. 414 00:20:54,799 --> 00:20:57,520 >> Um we are just seeing uh conditions 415 00:20:57,520 --> 00:20:59,840 deteriorate. We have some precipitation 416 00:20:59,840 --> 00:21:01,919 in the forecast, but very minimal. 417 00:21:01,919 --> 00:21:04,080 Nothing that will sustain or saturate 418 00:21:04,080 --> 00:21:07,280 the county uh this week. So, uh, it's 419 00:21:07,280 --> 00:21:08,960 our recommendation with the support of 420 00:21:08,960 --> 00:21:12,080 all, uh, fire chiefs that we reinstate 421 00:21:12,080 --> 00:21:12,799 the matter. 422 00:21:12,799 --> 00:21:13,360 >> Okay. 423 00:21:13,360 --> 00:21:15,520 >> Brady is doing well. He is back in the 424 00:21:15,520 --> 00:21:17,120 office, but he had followup, but 425 00:21:17,120 --> 00:21:17,840 >> Okay, 426 00:21:17,840 --> 00:21:22,080 >> perfect. And so, it looks like the KBDI 427 00:21:22,080 --> 00:21:29,840 range is near the like the minimum 537 the it's towards the 428 00:21:29,840 --> 00:21:31,840 high end. So, this is not a this is a 429 00:21:31,840 --> 00:21:33,280 more serious condition that we're in 430 00:21:33,280 --> 00:21:33,679 right now. 431 00:21:33,679 --> 00:21:34,240 >> Correct. 432 00:21:34,240 --> 00:21:38,240 >> All right. So, um I move to 433 00:21:38,240 --> 00:21:40,000 um 434 00:21:40,000 --> 00:21:42,480 reinstate the burn ban for a period of 435 00:21:42,480 --> 00:21:44,159 up to 90 days in the unincorporated 436 00:21:44,159 --> 00:21:45,600 areas of the county due to the existence 437 00:21:45,600 --> 00:21:47,039 of conditions that have created a public 438 00:21:47,039 --> 00:21:49,039 safety hazard that would be exaper 439 00:21:49,039 --> 00:21:50,960 exacerbated by outdoor burning pursuant 440 00:21:50,960 --> 00:21:55,350 to order 0-20260825-1. 441 00:21:55,360 --> 00:21:56,320 Do I have a second? 442 00:21:56,320 --> 00:21:56,960 >> Second. 443 00:21:56,960 --> 00:21:58,320 >> Motion by the judge, second by 444 00:21:58,320 --> 00:22:00,320 Commissioner Chapman. Uh any further 445 00:22:00,320 --> 00:22:01,600 discussion? 446 00:22:01,600 --> 00:22:03,440 >> If not, Teresa, please call the vote. 447 00:22:03,440 --> 00:22:04,400 Commissioner McCall. 448 00:22:04,400 --> 00:22:04,960 >> Hi, 449 00:22:04,960 --> 00:22:05,919 >> Commissioner We. 450 00:22:05,919 --> 00:22:06,559 >> Hi, 451 00:22:06,559 --> 00:22:07,520 >> Commissioner Chapman. 452 00:22:07,520 --> 00:22:08,159 >> Hi, 453 00:22:08,159 --> 00:22:09,200 >> Commissioner Carpenter. 454 00:22:09,200 --> 00:22:10,880 >> I 455 00:22:10,880 --> 00:22:13,200 motion carries. 456 00:22:13,200 --> 00:22:19,590 >> Thank you, Juan. 457 00:22:19,600 --> 00:22:22,640 Uh, next up, consideration possible 458 00:22:22,640 --> 00:22:24,080 action regarding resolution 459 00:22:24,080 --> 00:22:27,750 R-20260825-1. 460 00:22:27,760 --> 00:22:29,919 A resolution expressing support for text 461 00:22:29,919 --> 00:22:31,520 dots transportation proposed 462 00:22:31,520 --> 00:22:34,159 improvements to State Highway 46 River 463 00:22:34,159 --> 00:22:36,960 Road at Hurf Road Esser Road endorsing a 464 00:22:36,960 --> 00:22:38,559 design alternative one as county's 465 00:22:38,559 --> 00:22:41,039 preferred alternative and urging 466 00:22:41,039 --> 00:22:42,320 acceleration of the project. 467 00:22:42,320 --> 00:22:43,440 Commissioner Region. 468 00:22:43,440 --> 00:22:45,039 >> Thank you, Judge. Good morning again, 469 00:22:45,039 --> 00:22:46,960 everyone. And Mary Ellen, thanks for 470 00:22:46,960 --> 00:22:48,400 being up here. Our county engineer is 471 00:22:48,400 --> 00:22:50,320 going to also speak to this. So, this is 472 00:22:50,320 --> 00:22:51,919 a project we've been working on for 473 00:22:51,919 --> 00:22:53,520 quite some time and I'm pleased to see 474 00:22:53,520 --> 00:22:55,840 the pieces finally coming together. So, 475 00:22:55,840 --> 00:22:58,480 Texot submitted the state highway 46 476 00:22:58,480 --> 00:23:00,799 Herf Esser improvements to AMPO for 477 00:23:00,799 --> 00:23:03,120 funding and now we have a commitment of 478 00:23:03,120 --> 00:23:04,559 federal funding with Kendall County 479 00:23:04,559 --> 00:23:07,200 committing $1 million to the project. 480 00:23:07,200 --> 00:23:08,400 So, we're going to look at alternative 481 00:23:08,400 --> 00:23:09,919 one. There were two choices and this 482 00:23:09,919 --> 00:23:11,520 gives us some improvements to the 483 00:23:11,520 --> 00:23:13,120 intersection while preserving the big 484 00:23:13,120 --> 00:23:15,440 cypress trees that are in the the 485 00:23:15,440 --> 00:23:17,679 rideway in the middle of uh Hurf and 486 00:23:17,679 --> 00:23:19,440 providing a separate pedestrian bridge 487 00:23:19,440 --> 00:23:21,360 and that rideway is being given by the 488 00:23:21,360 --> 00:23:23,760 Cibilo Center for Conservation. So, we 489 00:23:23,760 --> 00:23:25,679 appreciate them doing that and they and 490 00:23:25,679 --> 00:23:27,919 the city of Bernie are supporting this 491 00:23:27,919 --> 00:23:30,159 plan. So, does this solve every problem 492 00:23:30,159 --> 00:23:33,280 on 46? No. But it's a real improvement 493 00:23:33,280 --> 00:23:35,039 and it is funded and we can move 494 00:23:35,039 --> 00:23:37,440 forward. Transportation dollars are very 495 00:23:37,440 --> 00:23:38,880 limited. they're going to be more 496 00:23:38,880 --> 00:23:40,559 limited in the future, I can tell you. 497 00:23:40,559 --> 00:23:42,320 So, when we have the opportunity to 498 00:23:42,320 --> 00:23:44,720 improve safety and traffic flow, I think 499 00:23:44,720 --> 00:23:46,640 we take it and we keep working on the 500 00:23:46,640 --> 00:23:48,640 longer term solution. So, if an 501 00:23:48,640 --> 00:23:50,720 opportunity becomes available for AMPO 502 00:23:50,720 --> 00:23:53,360 to slot this project in earlier than the 503 00:23:53,360 --> 00:23:56,159 committed 2032 letting date, then we 504 00:23:56,159 --> 00:23:57,520 want to be ready to take advantage of 505 00:23:57,520 --> 00:23:59,039 that because there'll be projects in San 506 00:23:59,039 --> 00:24:00,960 Antonio and Bear County that won't be 507 00:24:00,960 --> 00:24:02,880 ready to let and we'll be able to slide 508 00:24:02,880 --> 00:24:04,640 in and get this done earlier. So with 509 00:24:04,640 --> 00:24:06,320 that, I'll turn it over to Mary Ellen to 510 00:24:06,320 --> 00:24:07,919 take us through anything you'd like to 511 00:24:07,919 --> 00:24:10,320 discuss. And I think we do have um some 512 00:24:10,320 --> 00:24:11,679 slides as well. 513 00:24:11,679 --> 00:24:15,600 >> Yes. So um Tex's plan is to add turn 514 00:24:15,600 --> 00:24:17,440 lanes to improve the efficiency of the 515 00:24:17,440 --> 00:24:20,400 intersection. Um there is a right turn 516 00:24:20,400 --> 00:24:24,640 lane off of Hurf onto 46 East. Um that 517 00:24:24,640 --> 00:24:26,720 would improve, as you know, right now 518 00:24:26,720 --> 00:24:28,159 you kind of get stuck at the light 519 00:24:28,159 --> 00:24:29,440 waiting for your chance to turn. This 520 00:24:29,440 --> 00:24:31,600 would make it a free right turn. um 521 00:24:31,600 --> 00:24:33,440 allowing that movement to continue and 522 00:24:33,440 --> 00:24:34,640 get people through the intersection 523 00:24:34,640 --> 00:24:37,279 faster. Um and then creating a dual left 524 00:24:37,279 --> 00:24:40,000 turn from 46 onto Hurf, which is one of 525 00:24:40,000 --> 00:24:41,520 the main movements. Making that dual 526 00:24:41,520 --> 00:24:42,880 left will get more people through the 527 00:24:42,880 --> 00:24:45,200 intersection. And then extending the 528 00:24:45,200 --> 00:24:48,320 turn lane capacity um from River Road 529 00:24:48,320 --> 00:24:49,919 onto Herf as well, right turn, it would 530 00:24:49,919 --> 00:24:50,880 just add a little bit more length 531 00:24:50,880 --> 00:24:52,640 instead of having, you know, one car at 532 00:24:52,640 --> 00:24:55,440 that um intersection uh and and having 533 00:24:55,440 --> 00:24:57,440 to wait for the light. So, this will get 534 00:24:57,440 --> 00:24:58,799 more people through the intersection. 535 00:24:58,799 --> 00:25:00,640 Alternative one and alternative two 536 00:25:00,640 --> 00:25:02,960 create the same end solution, but it's 537 00:25:02,960 --> 00:25:05,840 how do we get there? Alternative one is 538 00:25:05,840 --> 00:25:08,559 um the Sablo Center for Conservation um 539 00:25:08,559 --> 00:25:11,279 would provide easement um dedicated to 540 00:25:11,279 --> 00:25:13,360 the city of Bernie for construction of a 541 00:25:13,360 --> 00:25:16,640 trail that would um get pedestrians um a 542 00:25:16,640 --> 00:25:18,799 nicer path through the trees through the 543 00:25:18,799 --> 00:25:21,520 Cibilo's property uh civil center for 544 00:25:21,520 --> 00:25:24,000 conservation's property um and and 545 00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:25,840 better trail access and then would 546 00:25:25,840 --> 00:25:27,760 connect um to the trail that's already 547 00:25:27,760 --> 00:25:29,520 there and over to the Cibau nature 548 00:25:29,520 --> 00:25:32,559 center and um soccer fields. 549 00:25:32,559 --> 00:25:35,360 Um the alternative uh or the benefits of 550 00:25:35,360 --> 00:25:38,159 this is um for the public using that 551 00:25:38,159 --> 00:25:40,240 trail. Um it allows for faster 552 00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:42,480 construction and um less expensive 553 00:25:42,480 --> 00:25:44,720 construction. The essentially the the 554 00:25:44,720 --> 00:25:46,799 bridge that's there now would just be uh 555 00:25:46,799 --> 00:25:48,799 shifted over in the lanes but 556 00:25:48,799 --> 00:25:50,400 construction on the actual bridge would 557 00:25:50,400 --> 00:25:52,559 not need would not be needed. In 558 00:25:52,559 --> 00:25:55,039 alternative two, um the cypress trees in 559 00:25:55,039 --> 00:25:56,480 the center of the two bridges would be 560 00:25:56,480 --> 00:25:57,840 taken out and the bridge would be 561 00:25:57,840 --> 00:26:00,880 widened which costs more um has the 562 00:26:00,880 --> 00:26:02,400 impact to the trees that are important 563 00:26:02,400 --> 00:26:04,480 to the community and uh construction 564 00:26:04,480 --> 00:26:06,559 would take much longer. So I think 565 00:26:06,559 --> 00:26:08,799 meeting with the civil center for 566 00:26:08,799 --> 00:26:11,039 conservation and the city of Bernie um 567 00:26:11,039 --> 00:26:14,400 and text dot um this community's um 568 00:26:14,400 --> 00:26:16,480 support has been to proceed with 569 00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:18,880 alternative one as a a better benefit to 570 00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:20,320 the community. 571 00:26:20,320 --> 00:26:23,200 >> Okay. Uh 572 00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:24,720 I'll entertain a motion at this time. 573 00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:27,360 >> Okay, judge. I'd be happy to do that. 574 00:26:27,360 --> 00:26:30,960 Judge, I move to uh adopt resolution 575 00:26:30,960 --> 00:26:35,269 number R2060825-1, 576 00:26:35,279 --> 00:26:37,039 a resolution expressing support for the 577 00:26:37,039 --> 00:26:38,720 Texas Department of Transportation's 578 00:26:38,720 --> 00:26:40,559 proposed improvements to State Highway 579 00:26:40,559 --> 00:26:44,000 46 River Road at Hurf Road, Esser Road, 580 00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:46,559 endorsing design alternative one as the 581 00:26:46,559 --> 00:26:48,400 county's preferred alternative and 582 00:26:48,400 --> 00:26:50,960 urging acceleration of the project. U 583 00:26:50,960 --> 00:26:52,320 motion made by Commissioner Legion, 584 00:26:52,320 --> 00:26:54,080 seconded by the judge. Any further 585 00:26:54,080 --> 00:26:55,360 discussion? 586 00:26:55,360 --> 00:26:57,200 >> I did want to say um that it's 587 00:26:57,200 --> 00:26:59,679 encouraging to see the dedicated work of 588 00:26:59,679 --> 00:27:01,120 the Kendall County Fair Oaks 589 00:27:01,120 --> 00:27:03,840 Transportation Committee um I'm sorry, 590 00:27:03,840 --> 00:27:05,200 Kendall County Bernie Fairs 591 00:27:05,200 --> 00:27:06,960 Transportation Committee reflected in a 592 00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:09,360 plan that now has advanced to fruition. 593 00:27:09,360 --> 00:27:11,120 Um there are members that of that 594 00:27:11,120 --> 00:27:13,520 committee that are here today. Um, in 595 00:27:13,520 --> 00:27:15,200 2024, the committee may not have 596 00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:17,120 anticipated that its diligent efforts 597 00:27:17,120 --> 00:27:19,039 would contribute to a preferred plan 598 00:27:19,039 --> 00:27:21,120 within such a short time frame. I 599 00:27:21,120 --> 00:27:23,440 support this design as the county's 600 00:27:23,440 --> 00:27:25,279 preferred plan, which is also supported 601 00:27:25,279 --> 00:27:27,039 by the city of Bernie and Ciblo Center 602 00:27:27,039 --> 00:27:28,559 for Conservation. Just wanted to point 603 00:27:28,559 --> 00:27:29,440 that out. 604 00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:32,720 >> Anything else? Not please call the vote. 605 00:27:32,720 --> 00:27:33,760 >> Commissioner McCall, 606 00:27:33,760 --> 00:27:34,240 >> I. 607 00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:35,120 >> Commissioner, 608 00:27:35,120 --> 00:27:35,760 >> I. 609 00:27:35,760 --> 00:27:36,799 >> Commissioner Chapman, 610 00:27:36,799 --> 00:27:37,360 >> I. 611 00:27:37,360 --> 00:27:38,400 >> Commissioner Carpenter, 612 00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:38,799 >> I. 613 00:27:38,799 --> 00:27:39,840 >> Judge, 614 00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:43,440 >> I motion carries 5 to zero. Thank you. 615 00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:45,919 Marielen. 616 00:27:45,919 --> 00:27:48,480 >> Okay. Uh, next up, consideration and 617 00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:50,080 possible action regarding resolution 618 00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:53,750 R20260825-2, 619 00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:55,520 a resolution accepting a grant from the 620 00:27:55,520 --> 00:27:57,039 US Department of Justice in the amount 621 00:27:57,039 --> 00:28:01,200 of 9 thou $915,961 622 00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:03,440 through the Office of Justice Programs 623 00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:06,880 OJP FY2026 special attorneys program 624 00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:08,640 round three grants to fund a position 625 00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:10,640 for a special US attorney with the US 626 00:28:10,640 --> 00:28:12,799 attorney's office. This is coming back 627 00:28:12,799 --> 00:28:14,640 because last court it was approved but 628 00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:16,480 we didn't have a resolution and so this 629 00:28:16,480 --> 00:28:18,320 is just to approve the resolution that 630 00:28:18,320 --> 00:28:21,520 was submitted. Um so at this time I'll 631 00:28:21,520 --> 00:28:23,200 entertain a motion as to approval of the 632 00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:26,159 resolution. 633 00:28:26,159 --> 00:28:28,880 Judge, I'd like to make motion to adopt 634 00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:34,149 resolution number R-2026. 635 00:28:34,159 --> 00:28:36,240 Excuse me. 636 00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:38,880 Resolution 2026 637 00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:41,679 0825-2 638 00:28:41,679 --> 00:28:43,919 resolution accepting a grant from the US 639 00:28:43,919 --> 00:28:46,240 Department of Justice in the amount of 640 00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:49,750 9115,961 641 00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:51,440 through the office of the justice 642 00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:56,480 program OJ fiscal year 2028 643 00:28:56,480 --> 00:28:59,200 special attorneys program round three 644 00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:02,480 grant to fund a position for special 645 00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:05,360 assistant US attorney within the US 646 00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:06,640 attorney's office. 647 00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:07,919 >> Thank you. Motion made by Commissioner 648 00:29:07,919 --> 00:29:09,360 Chapman. Is there a second? 649 00:29:09,360 --> 00:29:11,679 >> Second by Commissioner Carpenter. Uh any 650 00:29:11,679 --> 00:29:12,640 further discussion? 651 00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:14,640 >> I just wanted to say one thing. Um my 652 00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:16,159 concern about this grant is that the 653 00:29:16,159 --> 00:29:18,240 county would be expected to assume 654 00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:20,240 substantial responsibility for 655 00:29:20,240 --> 00:29:22,080 administering and supporting this grant 656 00:29:22,080 --> 00:29:24,799 while realizing little to no tangible 657 00:29:24,799 --> 00:29:27,200 benefit. Given the workload, ongoing 658 00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:28,960 obligations, and limited value to our 659 00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:31,120 taxpayers, I'm not in favor of pursuing 660 00:29:31,120 --> 00:29:32,640 this grant opportunity. 661 00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:34,399 >> Okay. Thank you. Any other uh 662 00:29:34,399 --> 00:29:36,720 discussion? If not, uh, Teresa, please 663 00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:37,760 call the vote. 664 00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:38,720 >> Commissioner McCall, 665 00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:39,440 >> nay. 666 00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:40,480 >> Commissioner We 667 00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:41,120 >> I. 668 00:29:41,120 --> 00:29:42,159 >> Commissioner Chapman, 669 00:29:42,159 --> 00:29:42,640 >> I. 670 00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:43,760 >> Commissioner Carpenter, 671 00:29:43,760 --> 00:29:45,440 >> I 672 00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:47,919 abstain because of my last uh 673 00:29:47,919 --> 00:29:50,720 abstensions on the last two rounds. So, 674 00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:54,559 with that, a motion passes three to one 675 00:29:54,559 --> 00:29:56,880 with one abstension. So, commissioners 676 00:29:56,880 --> 00:30:01,279 from precincts two, three, and four in 677 00:30:01,279 --> 00:30:04,399 favor. Commissioner 678 00:30:04,399 --> 00:30:13,750 one opposed and the judge abstained. 679 00:30:13,760 --> 00:30:17,440 Next up, agenda item 12. Is this one 680 00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:22,559 still on the agenda? General counsel. 681 00:30:22,559 --> 00:30:25,520 I didn't get any um resolution of the 682 00:30:25,520 --> 00:30:27,520 question that I had, but I think that 683 00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:29,360 this should be pulled. I'm told that 684 00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:32,000 another taxing entity has already 685 00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:34,240 objected to the method and therefore a 686 00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:37,679 vote on this today is not necessary. 687 00:30:37,679 --> 00:30:39,840 >> Okay. So, we'll be taking no action on 688 00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:49,909 agenda item 12 because it's 689 00:30:49,919 --> 00:31:15,350 attorney 690 00:31:15,360 --> 00:31:19,750 Okay. 691 00:31:19,760 --> 00:31:22,000 Now, the next three are flock items. I 692 00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:24,240 just want to clarify that. 693 00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:27,840 The vote on number 13 has no impact on 694 00:31:27,840 --> 00:31:31,679 for agenda items 14 or 15 because agenda 695 00:31:31,679 --> 00:31:35,200 item 13 relates to a prior year's 696 00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:37,519 contract. So it's an obligation that the 697 00:31:37,519 --> 00:31:39,919 county already incurred. So don't take 698 00:31:39,919 --> 00:31:42,480 our vote as an indication on anything 699 00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:44,720 about 14 and 15. So I just want to make 700 00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:48,320 that clear uh before we begin this one. 701 00:31:48,320 --> 00:31:51,200 So agenda item 13, 702 00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:53,279 consideration and possible action on an 703 00:31:53,279 --> 00:31:55,360 agreement with flock safety group to 704 00:31:55,360 --> 00:31:57,679 participate in the flock safety platform 705 00:31:57,679 --> 00:31:59,279 and for necessary flock safety 706 00:31:59,279 --> 00:32:01,519 professional services and installation 707 00:32:01,519 --> 00:32:03,840 fees with the term beginning on August 708 00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:08,480 15, 2025 ending on September 30th, 2026 709 00:32:08,480 --> 00:32:13,029 with the cost being reduced from $258,35 710 00:32:13,039 --> 00:32:17,269 to $212,68.14 711 00:32:17,279 --> 00:32:19,360 of which 80% will be paid by the grant 712 00:32:19,360 --> 00:32:21,039 awarded through the motor vehicle crime 713 00:32:21,039 --> 00:32:24,880 prevention authority. So, 714 00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:26,880 and general counsel, you reviewed the 715 00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:29,360 proposed contract and it meets all your 716 00:32:29,360 --> 00:32:30,799 standards. 717 00:32:30,799 --> 00:32:31,679 >> It does. 718 00:32:31,679 --> 00:32:35,200 >> Okay. I will hand it over to Lieutenant 719 00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:36,240 Clariner or 720 00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:38,320 >> One thing I have to add to this one. The 721 00:32:38,320 --> 00:32:41,360 reason for the reduction um and the 722 00:32:41,360 --> 00:32:44,799 total rate is due to the delay with the 723 00:32:44,799 --> 00:32:48,720 text permits and um the first part of 724 00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:51,519 the grant we only had 13 cameras 725 00:32:51,519 --> 00:32:55,519 installed. Um and then starting first 726 00:32:55,519 --> 00:32:57,519 second week of July once we got the 727 00:32:57,519 --> 00:32:59,120 state permits they started installing 728 00:32:59,120 --> 00:33:02,080 the rest of the cameras. Um, so since 729 00:33:02,080 --> 00:33:05,679 majority of this year we only had 13 in 730 00:33:05,679 --> 00:33:07,279 the ground, I asked Flock if they would 731 00:33:07,279 --> 00:33:10,559 do a prorate or discount and they agreed 732 00:33:10,559 --> 00:33:12,720 um to give us I think it was 46 or 733 00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:15,279 $48,000 discount. Uh so that's the 734 00:33:15,279 --> 00:33:17,919 difference in in the total 735 00:33:17,919 --> 00:33:20,559 for this year's contract. 736 00:33:20,559 --> 00:33:23,360 Um I'll open it up for any conversation 737 00:33:23,360 --> 00:33:25,679 or discussion. 738 00:33:25,679 --> 00:33:26,960 >> Gentlemen, anything from you? 739 00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:30,559 >> I do, Judge. So, I do appreciate what 740 00:33:30,559 --> 00:33:33,840 discount we got. But if you consider 13 741 00:33:33,840 --> 00:33:37,029 cameras, 742 00:33:37,039 --> 00:33:39,360 even if they were done on day one, which 743 00:33:39,360 --> 00:33:43,360 I know they weren't, that's 22% 744 00:33:43,360 --> 00:33:46,240 of the contract was fulfilled. 745 00:33:46,240 --> 00:33:48,399 And I believe most of the remaining 746 00:33:48,399 --> 00:33:50,799 cameras were being installed within the 747 00:33:50,799 --> 00:33:55,760 last 30, if not 60 days. And so 748 00:33:55,760 --> 00:33:58,799 I mean I know I went to a small school 749 00:33:58,799 --> 00:34:01,039 but uh the math just doesn't add up 750 00:34:01,039 --> 00:34:01,679 there. 751 00:34:01,679 --> 00:34:02,640 >> Yes sir. 752 00:34:02,640 --> 00:34:05,519 >> Paying for what we actually 753 00:34:05,519 --> 00:34:08,800 received. So that's my comment. 754 00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:11,280 >> Yes sir. 755 00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:13,520 >> Anything from you ladies? 756 00:34:13,520 --> 00:34:16,800 >> Uh so has this contract been fulfilled? 757 00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:19,200 Do we have all of the cameras in the 758 00:34:19,200 --> 00:34:21,359 ground right now? Today 759 00:34:21,359 --> 00:34:23,280 >> they have two remaining cameras to be 760 00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:25,679 installed this week and then we'll be at 761 00:34:25,679 --> 00:34:26,399 100%. 762 00:34:26,399 --> 00:34:29,040 >> And then our 100% will be how many? 763 00:34:29,040 --> 00:34:34,790 >> 56. 764 00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:38,550 » Okay. 765 00:34:38,560 --> 00:34:41,919 So I had understood that we were at 80% 766 00:34:41,919 --> 00:34:44,879 a couple weeks ago when I asked you. So 767 00:34:44,879 --> 00:34:45,520 you 768 00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:47,359 >> Yes, they've had they've had several the 769 00:34:47,359 --> 00:34:48,480 last couple weeks and so 770 00:34:48,480 --> 00:34:48,960 >> Okay. 771 00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:50,720 >> Yes, ma'am. So, general counsel, would 772 00:34:50,720 --> 00:34:52,560 you consider this company in breach of 773 00:34:52,560 --> 00:34:54,560 this contract? 774 00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:56,079 >> Commissioner, the part of the reason why 775 00:34:56,079 --> 00:34:58,240 they given us the discount is because 776 00:34:58,240 --> 00:35:00,480 they were not able to install everything 777 00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:02,800 in the timeline in which the parties 778 00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:04,800 both expected and part of that was a 779 00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:06,960 delay due to conditions outside of their 780 00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:08,880 control. For example, the text stop 781 00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:10,560 permits to enter right ofway to install 782 00:35:10,560 --> 00:35:13,200 cameras. Um, because of that, them 783 00:35:13,200 --> 00:35:15,760 offering this what I consider to be a a 784 00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:18,560 pretty substantial discount. Um, my math 785 00:35:18,560 --> 00:35:19,920 may not be as good as Commissioner 786 00:35:19,920 --> 00:35:23,200 Chapman's, but um, it's not common for a 787 00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:25,839 contractor to offer us a discount when 788 00:35:25,839 --> 00:35:28,079 there has been a performance issue. I 789 00:35:28,079 --> 00:35:29,280 just want to acknowledge I think that 790 00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:31,359 was a good faith effort on the part of 791 00:35:31,359 --> 00:35:34,880 Flock to try to make it more right. Um, 792 00:35:34,880 --> 00:35:36,960 the grant, we also did speak with them, 793 00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:38,800 Lieutenant Clariner did, um, to make 794 00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:40,400 sure this wouldn't have any impact on 795 00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:42,400 the grant, and it won't. will still 796 00:35:42,400 --> 00:35:45,119 receive the 80% coverage um from the 797 00:35:45,119 --> 00:35:48,960 NVCPA to cover um this reduced amount 798 00:35:48,960 --> 00:35:50,720 and the county's portion will also be 799 00:35:50,720 --> 00:35:52,640 reduced accordingly. Please note that 800 00:35:52,640 --> 00:35:55,520 this contract does end in about a month. 801 00:35:55,520 --> 00:35:57,839 Um so the next item will discuss whether 802 00:35:57,839 --> 00:35:59,680 the court wants to continue beginning 803 00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:01,839 after the end of this current fiscal 804 00:36:01,839 --> 00:36:06,560 year or not. But um I would consider 805 00:36:06,560 --> 00:36:08,079 this to be at least substantial 806 00:36:08,079 --> 00:36:10,400 compliance with the duties that were 807 00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:14,800 required in the contract. And to me the 808 00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:18,320 discount offered um again is to me quite 809 00:36:18,320 --> 00:36:20,640 a concession and and so it's up to the 810 00:36:20,640 --> 00:36:22,720 court toi to decide what to do. I would 811 00:36:22,720 --> 00:36:24,640 ask you to approve the contract today 812 00:36:24,640 --> 00:36:26,400 with this reduced amount because the 813 00:36:26,400 --> 00:36:29,599 parties have performed substantially um 814 00:36:29,599 --> 00:36:32,160 for almost an entire year already. So, I 815 00:36:32,160 --> 00:36:34,720 would ask that you approve this today. 816 00:36:34,720 --> 00:36:35,920 >> All right. Thank you. Sounds like you 817 00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:37,200 did the best you could on getting that 818 00:36:37,200 --> 00:36:37,920 concession. 819 00:36:37,920 --> 00:36:40,640 >> Um, Lieutenant Cler um handled that. So, 820 00:36:40,640 --> 00:36:42,720 I just like to acknowledge him for 821 00:36:42,720 --> 00:36:45,359 asking for that on behalf of the county. 822 00:36:45,359 --> 00:36:46,880 >> I I tend to agree with Commissioner 823 00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:48,800 Chapman on this, but in the grand scheme 824 00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:51,040 of things, I don't think it's worth 825 00:36:51,040 --> 00:36:53,760 >> getting into substantial compliance and 826 00:36:53,760 --> 00:36:55,680 all the nitpicking of this when the true 827 00:36:55,680 --> 00:36:57,520 is part of the issue is the next two 828 00:36:57,520 --> 00:36:59,200 issues and that's going to be decide the 829 00:36:59,200 --> 00:37:01,280 fate of this contract. So I think we 830 00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:03,520 just my recommendation is to support 831 00:37:03,520 --> 00:37:05,680 general counsel in this and approve this 832 00:37:05,680 --> 00:37:08,960 and get to the real real debate. So I 833 00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:14,320 move to approve 834 00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:16,560 uh 835 00:37:16,560 --> 00:37:18,240 the 836 00:37:18,240 --> 00:37:20,640 in I guess the participation in flock 837 00:37:20,640 --> 00:37:23,280 safety platform for the necessary flock 838 00:37:23,280 --> 00:37:24,640 safety professional services and 839 00:37:24,640 --> 00:37:26,400 installation fees with the term 840 00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:28,720 beginning in August 15, 2025 and ending 841 00:37:28,720 --> 00:37:32,000 on September 30th, 2026. 842 00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:35,119 cost reduced from 258305 843 00:37:35,119 --> 00:37:37,920 to 212608.14 844 00:37:37,920 --> 00:37:39,760 of which 80% will be paid by a grant 845 00:37:39,760 --> 00:37:41,200 awarded through the motor vehicle crime 846 00:37:41,200 --> 00:37:43,119 prevention authority. Do I have a 847 00:37:43,119 --> 00:37:43,680 second? 848 00:37:43,680 --> 00:37:44,160 >> Second. 849 00:37:44,160 --> 00:37:45,520 >> Motion by the judge. Second by 850 00:37:45,520 --> 00:37:46,960 Commissioner Chapman. Any further 851 00:37:46,960 --> 00:37:49,200 discussion? There being none, Teresa, 852 00:37:49,200 --> 00:37:50,320 could you please call the vote? 853 00:37:50,320 --> 00:37:51,200 >> Commissioner McCall? 854 00:37:51,200 --> 00:37:51,920 >> Nay. 855 00:37:51,920 --> 00:37:52,960 >> Commissioner Legion. 856 00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:53,680 >> I. 857 00:37:53,680 --> 00:37:54,800 >> Commissioner Chapman 858 00:37:54,800 --> 00:37:55,359 >> I. 859 00:37:55,359 --> 00:37:56,560 >> Commissioner Carpenter. 860 00:37:56,560 --> 00:37:56,960 >> I. 861 00:37:56,960 --> 00:37:58,000 >> Judge Sticker. 862 00:37:58,000 --> 00:38:01,839 >> I. Motion carries 4 to one with uh 863 00:38:01,839 --> 00:38:06,160 commissioners from precinct 2, three, 864 00:38:06,160 --> 00:38:10,800 four, and the judge in favor 865 00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:17,670 and precinct one opposed. 866 00:38:17,680 --> 00:38:19,440 Right. 867 00:38:19,440 --> 00:38:22,240 So, I'm going to read the agenda item 868 00:38:22,240 --> 00:38:25,280 and then I'm going to call up uh 869 00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:27,280 constituents to come sit at either you 870 00:38:27,280 --> 00:38:29,520 can sit at either table. I re I'll call 871 00:38:29,520 --> 00:38:31,200 two at a time so we can kind of speed 872 00:38:31,200 --> 00:38:33,200 this along. One sits on one side, one 873 00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:36,240 sits on the other. Once someone finishes 874 00:38:36,240 --> 00:38:37,920 uh or once the two finish, I'll call up 875 00:38:37,920 --> 00:38:39,200 two more and we'll just go through that 876 00:38:39,200 --> 00:38:41,520 and you'll have two minutes. You'll see 877 00:38:41,520 --> 00:38:43,839 uh on the screen to your right uh 878 00:38:43,839 --> 00:38:45,680 there'll be a little timer that shows up 879 00:38:45,680 --> 00:38:47,760 and it'll have a little bell. Once you 880 00:38:47,760 --> 00:38:49,200 announce who you are and where you're 881 00:38:49,200 --> 00:38:52,560 from, your countdown will begin. So, you 882 00:38:52,560 --> 00:38:54,400 go through your speech. Once you hear 883 00:38:54,400 --> 00:38:56,880 the bell go off, kind of wrap up your 884 00:38:56,880 --> 00:38:59,040 sentence succinctly and then we'll let 885 00:38:59,040 --> 00:39:00,720 the next person begin and we'll go from 886 00:39:00,720 --> 00:39:02,240 there until we get through everybody. 887 00:39:02,240 --> 00:39:04,880 Okay. So 888 00:39:04,880 --> 00:39:07,760 agenda item 14, consideration and 889 00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:09,440 possible action on agreement with Flock 890 00:39:09,440 --> 00:39:11,119 Safety Group, Inc. to continue to 891 00:39:11,119 --> 00:39:12,960 particate in the flock safety platform 892 00:39:12,960 --> 00:39:14,560 and for necessary flock safety 893 00:39:14,560 --> 00:39:16,160 professional services and installation 894 00:39:16,160 --> 00:39:19,599 fees be beginning on October 1, 2026 and 895 00:39:19,599 --> 00:39:22,480 ending on September 30th, 2027 for a 896 00:39:22,480 --> 00:39:26,000 cost not to exceed $198,550 897 00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:27,920 of which 80% will be paid by a grant 898 00:39:27,920 --> 00:39:29,520 awarded through the Motor Vehicle Crime 899 00:39:29,520 --> 00:39:31,280 Prevention Authority subject to review 900 00:39:31,280 --> 00:39:32,800 and approval by general counsel and 901 00:39:32,800 --> 00:39:34,480 authorize the county judge to execute 902 00:39:34,480 --> 00:39:39,430 necessary documents. 903 00:39:39,440 --> 00:39:44,160 Before I begin, uh, Miss McCarthy, you submit a form. You're going to go 904 00:39:44,160 --> 00:39:46,000 back the normal comments. Okay. Just 905 00:39:46,000 --> 00:40:04,870 want to confirm. All right. First, uh, Mr. Fields and Steven Belts. 906 00:40:04,880 --> 00:40:15,829 Morning, 907 00:40:15,839 --> 00:40:16,640 gentlemen. 908 00:40:16,640 --> 00:40:18,320 >> Thank you to this court. Um, good 909 00:40:18,320 --> 00:40:19,680 morning everyone. My name is Steven 910 00:40:19,680 --> 00:40:22,640 Belt. I uh represent the Kindle County 911 00:40:22,640 --> 00:40:24,720 District Attorney's Office. I'm a felony 912 00:40:24,720 --> 00:40:26,720 prosecutor. I've been here currently 913 00:40:26,720 --> 00:40:29,760 about a year. Uh, before that, I was a 914 00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:32,400 prosecutor in Harris County in Houston. 915 00:40:32,400 --> 00:40:34,960 I was also a federal prosecutor down in 916 00:40:34,960 --> 00:40:39,520 Macallen. I am here uh to show the court 917 00:40:39,520 --> 00:40:42,320 that we are very much for the flock 918 00:40:42,320 --> 00:40:45,280 system in multiple ways. I can tell you 919 00:40:45,280 --> 00:40:47,200 that at least in my experience in 920 00:40:47,200 --> 00:40:50,160 Houston, the flock system with the 921 00:40:50,160 --> 00:40:52,640 largest county in the state of Texas was 922 00:40:52,640 --> 00:40:56,160 extremely valuable. uh we have uh solved 923 00:40:56,160 --> 00:40:58,319 and brought to trial and got guilty 924 00:40:58,319 --> 00:41:01,599 verdicts uh at least on two that I've 925 00:41:01,599 --> 00:41:04,720 done that were primarily found this 926 00:41:04,720 --> 00:41:08,319 suspect using the flock camera system. I 927 00:41:08,319 --> 00:41:11,040 will also say in my time here uh at 928 00:41:11,040 --> 00:41:13,839 Kendall County uh a recent manslaughter 929 00:41:13,839 --> 00:41:16,480 case that we worked on uh the flock 930 00:41:16,480 --> 00:41:18,880 system was vital in understanding the 931 00:41:18,880 --> 00:41:21,599 timeline in which the defendant uh 932 00:41:21,599 --> 00:41:24,400 started uh his night before the fatal 933 00:41:24,400 --> 00:41:27,280 crash that ended on Highway 46. So I 934 00:41:27,280 --> 00:41:30,240 have seen positive outcomes there as 935 00:41:30,240 --> 00:41:32,480 well as a current evading arrest for a 936 00:41:32,480 --> 00:41:34,160 motorcycle that got away from law 937 00:41:34,160 --> 00:41:37,520 enforcement. the LPRs that we use, we're 938 00:41:37,520 --> 00:41:40,880 able to track his movements. We able to 939 00:41:40,880 --> 00:41:43,040 get search warrants and we are moving 940 00:41:43,040 --> 00:41:45,040 forward with prosecution on that 941 00:41:45,040 --> 00:41:47,760 defendant. So, I have seen a substantial 942 00:41:47,760 --> 00:41:50,720 benefit from the flock system. Uh I live 943 00:41:50,720 --> 00:41:53,440 in Fair Oaks Ranch. When I see those 944 00:41:53,440 --> 00:41:57,760 LPRs, I feel uh safer. I will say that 945 00:41:57,760 --> 00:42:01,680 Kendall County is a rapidly growing 662 946 00:42:01,680 --> 00:42:05,280 square mile uh county. Uh this will save 947 00:42:05,280 --> 00:42:08,319 money for the county uh because it takes 948 00:42:08,319 --> 00:42:12,000 time to uh identify a suspect when we 949 00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:14,319 have an LPR with a license plate. We 950 00:42:14,319 --> 00:42:15,839 know where they are. We know where 951 00:42:15,839 --> 00:42:17,680 they're going. That's going to save 952 00:42:17,680 --> 00:42:20,400 money uh for law enforcement that would 953 00:42:20,400 --> 00:42:22,400 take for, you know, talking to witnesses 954 00:42:22,400 --> 00:42:25,200 and getting other evidence together. So, 955 00:42:25,200 --> 00:42:26,880 I will say that the policy protections 956 00:42:26,880 --> 00:42:29,119 that are in place are valid. They're 957 00:42:29,119 --> 00:42:31,520 only last for 30 days. and I believe 958 00:42:31,520 --> 00:42:33,359 that we should uh continue this 959 00:42:33,359 --> 00:42:34,960 relationship with Flock. Thank you. 960 00:42:34,960 --> 00:42:37,520 >> Thank you. 961 00:42:37,520 --> 00:42:38,160 >> Good morning. 962 00:42:38,160 --> 00:42:38,640 >> Morning. 963 00:42:38,640 --> 00:42:40,720 >> Um y'all know me. I'm Andrew Fields. I 964 00:42:40,720 --> 00:42:42,480 am the special victims prosecutor here 965 00:42:42,480 --> 00:42:44,319 in Kendall County. Um I've been a 966 00:42:44,319 --> 00:42:46,160 prosecutor for almost 16 years in in San 967 00:42:46,160 --> 00:42:48,560 Antonio and here in Kendall. I uh 968 00:42:48,560 --> 00:42:50,800 exclusively work on the crime the felony 969 00:42:50,800 --> 00:42:52,560 crimes against women and children. 970 00:42:52,560 --> 00:42:54,079 Arguably some of the most vile and 971 00:42:54,079 --> 00:42:55,760 disgusting things that we have in our 972 00:42:55,760 --> 00:42:58,720 county. Um, I can tell you that uh when 973 00:42:58,720 --> 00:43:03,040 I saw this um holaloo building up on 974 00:43:03,040 --> 00:43:05,200 Facebook about block cameras, the thing 975 00:43:05,200 --> 00:43:06,560 that came to my mind is what in the 976 00:43:06,560 --> 00:43:08,480 George Soros is going on here? Why are 977 00:43:08,480 --> 00:43:09,839 they trying to take this evidence from 978 00:43:09,839 --> 00:43:11,680 us? And I can tell you in the last two 979 00:43:11,680 --> 00:43:14,480 years, I've had five cases directly 980 00:43:14,480 --> 00:43:16,720 solved, sex offenders directly solved 981 00:43:16,720 --> 00:43:18,480 with flock camera information. and the 982 00:43:18,480 --> 00:43:19,760 sheriff's going to speak on one of them, 983 00:43:19,760 --> 00:43:21,839 but um it for whatever reason some 984 00:43:21,839 --> 00:43:23,280 people come to our county, maybe because 985 00:43:23,280 --> 00:43:24,640 it's rural, maybe because they're trying 986 00:43:24,640 --> 00:43:27,520 to get away from the city, but um we've 987 00:43:27,520 --> 00:43:29,920 had five sex offender cases solved 988 00:43:29,920 --> 00:43:31,359 directly with that flot camera 989 00:43:31,359 --> 00:43:34,240 information. Um 990 00:43:34,240 --> 00:43:35,920 one was a kidnapping case out of Florida 991 00:43:35,920 --> 00:43:38,160 and they came here. One was a man who 992 00:43:38,160 --> 00:43:39,599 was doing terrible things to his own 993 00:43:39,599 --> 00:43:41,280 children out of Dallas and he came here 994 00:43:41,280 --> 00:43:42,720 and we caught him using the flot 995 00:43:42,720 --> 00:43:45,359 cameras. Um, another one was a sex 996 00:43:45,359 --> 00:43:46,800 offender who was failing to register 997 00:43:46,800 --> 00:43:49,119 here in our county and had moved to uh, 998 00:43:49,119 --> 00:43:50,720 Aranis County and was living in a 999 00:43:50,720 --> 00:43:52,079 trailer park with a playground and 1000 00:43:52,079 --> 00:43:53,760 children nearby. Uh, we were able to 1001 00:43:53,760 --> 00:43:55,599 find him and find that he was evading 1002 00:43:55,599 --> 00:43:57,280 our registration here in this county. 1003 00:43:57,280 --> 00:43:58,640 And we have two other cases that are 1004 00:43:58,640 --> 00:44:00,720 actively pending that um, I'm not going 1005 00:44:00,720 --> 00:44:02,800 to speak on, but we are tracking them 1006 00:44:02,800 --> 00:44:06,240 down with cameras. Um, in addition to my 1007 00:44:06,240 --> 00:44:08,160 time in San Antonio, I can say that I've 1008 00:44:08,160 --> 00:44:10,720 had flock cameras directly lead to 1009 00:44:10,720 --> 00:44:12,880 solving aggravated robberies with guns 1010 00:44:12,880 --> 00:44:15,119 stuck in people's faces and a murder. 1011 00:44:15,119 --> 00:44:17,440 Uh, where, uh, flock camera information 1012 00:44:17,440 --> 00:44:19,599 was extremely valuable in apprehending 1013 00:44:19,599 --> 00:44:23,200 that defendant. Um, my fear in the 1014 00:44:23,200 --> 00:44:24,960 taking down these cameras is that one 1015 00:44:24,960 --> 00:44:26,960 day uh and I heaven forbid this ever 1016 00:44:26,960 --> 00:44:28,800 happened, but one day we're going to 1017 00:44:28,800 --> 00:44:30,720 have an abduction or a murder and I'm 1018 00:44:30,720 --> 00:44:32,480 going to get the case and people are 1019 00:44:32,480 --> 00:44:34,240 going to say I saw a black SUV leaving 1020 00:44:34,240 --> 00:44:36,079 the neighborhood and we're not going to 1021 00:44:36,079 --> 00:44:38,000 be able to do anything with that. But if 1022 00:44:38,000 --> 00:44:39,680 there's flot cameras, we can say this 1023 00:44:39,680 --> 00:44:41,680 black SUV was going down Main Street at 1024 00:44:41,680 --> 00:44:43,119 this time and then we picked it up on I 1025 00:44:43,119 --> 00:44:44,640 10 at this time and we suspect that 1026 00:44:44,640 --> 00:44:45,599 they're going here and we'll have a 1027 00:44:45,599 --> 00:44:46,880 license plate number which will lead us 1028 00:44:46,880 --> 00:44:48,640 back to somebody's house and hopefully 1029 00:44:48,640 --> 00:44:52,079 we can save child or solve a murder and 1030 00:44:52,079 --> 00:44:53,760 in that situation I would say these 1031 00:44:53,760 --> 00:44:55,440 flock cameras are invaluable and I know 1032 00:44:55,440 --> 00:44:56,720 that the parents of a child in that 1033 00:44:56,720 --> 00:44:57,839 situation would say that that's 1034 00:44:57,839 --> 00:44:59,200 invaluable and I pray that that never 1035 00:44:59,200 --> 00:45:00,960 happens in this county but I fear that 1036 00:45:00,960 --> 00:45:02,480 one day with the county growing the way 1037 00:45:02,480 --> 00:45:04,800 it is we will deal with that. Um 1038 00:45:04,800 --> 00:45:07,440 >> and your time time's up. I'm sorry. Um, 1039 00:45:07,440 --> 00:45:08,160 that's okay. 1040 00:45:08,160 --> 00:45:09,359 >> Thank you. 1041 00:45:09,359 --> 00:45:21,190 >> Next up, Crystal Reer and Nicole Bishop. 1042 00:45:21,200 --> 00:45:24,560 And if Emily Hamburg, 1043 00:45:24,560 --> 00:45:26,560 I I can't read your writing. If you want 1044 00:45:26,560 --> 00:45:28,160 to come to this next table and get 1045 00:45:28,160 --> 00:45:33,109 queued up, you're good. 1046 00:45:33,119 --> 00:45:40,470 in the slideshow. 1047 00:45:40,480 --> 00:45:41,839 » Okay. So, good morning. My name is 1048 00:45:41,839 --> 00:45:44,240 Crystal Reer. I am a crime analyst 1049 00:45:44,240 --> 00:45:45,920 investigator with the Kindle County DA's 1050 00:45:45,920 --> 00:45:48,480 office. I use Flock. I'm probably one of 1051 00:45:48,480 --> 00:45:52,560 the most used Flock user. Um, I must to 1052 00:45:52,560 --> 00:45:55,680 conduct a search, you have to um 1053 00:45:55,680 --> 00:45:58,000 document an offense type, case number, 1054 00:45:58,000 --> 00:46:00,400 investigative reason, vehicle 1055 00:46:00,400 --> 00:46:03,040 information, location, and a time frame. 1056 00:46:03,040 --> 00:46:05,839 And every search conducted is audited, 1057 00:46:05,839 --> 00:46:07,920 and all the LPR data is automatically 1058 00:46:07,920 --> 00:46:10,079 deleted after 30 days of flock. And what 1059 00:46:10,079 --> 00:46:13,359 I put up there is exactly what flock the 1060 00:46:13,359 --> 00:46:15,920 parameters I have to put in. Um, so 1061 00:46:15,920 --> 00:46:18,640 between 2023 and 2025, Kendall County 1062 00:46:18,640 --> 00:46:21,200 experienced 256 burglary of a motor 1063 00:46:21,200 --> 00:46:23,520 vehicle incidents. Only 20 of those 1064 00:46:23,520 --> 00:46:26,160 resulted in filed charges. Many 1065 00:46:26,160 --> 00:46:28,480 investigations lacked sufficient in 1066 00:46:28,480 --> 00:46:30,480 suspect information. The highest 1067 00:46:30,480 --> 00:46:32,720 concentrations occurred along the I 10 1068 00:46:32,720 --> 00:46:35,119 corridor, Regent Park, city parks, and 1069 00:46:35,119 --> 00:46:39,119 Old San Antonio Road. Um, and then you 1070 00:46:39,119 --> 00:46:40,800 can see up there the heat maps of where 1071 00:46:40,800 --> 00:46:43,359 all these uh burglary motor vehicles 1072 00:46:43,359 --> 00:46:47,119 occurred within 2023 and 2025 prior to 1073 00:46:47,119 --> 00:46:49,920 Flock. Um, 1074 00:46:49,920 --> 00:46:51,680 looking specifically at the burglary 1075 00:46:51,680 --> 00:46:53,839 motor vehicle trends uh this year in 1076 00:46:53,839 --> 00:46:57,839 2026, they have decreased by 77% 1077 00:46:57,839 --> 00:47:00,319 from the peak of 2025 to the current 1078 00:47:00,319 --> 00:47:02,880 period. Um, this reduction is also 1079 00:47:02,880 --> 00:47:04,400 reflected at the neighborhood level. 1080 00:47:04,400 --> 00:47:07,359 Regent Park alone in 2024 had six 1081 00:47:07,359 --> 00:47:09,680 incidents. In 2025, they had seven 1082 00:47:09,680 --> 00:47:13,200 incidents. And since they had a fire uh 1083 00:47:13,200 --> 00:47:15,040 a flock installed, they've had zero 1084 00:47:15,040 --> 00:47:16,960 incidents. 1085 00:47:16,960 --> 00:47:20,960 Um in Kendall County case number 10180, 1086 00:47:20,960 --> 00:47:22,560 three vehicles were berized at the 1087 00:47:22,560 --> 00:47:24,640 Northrup Park. A camera captured the 1088 00:47:24,640 --> 00:47:26,000 suspect vehicle, but there was no 1089 00:47:26,000 --> 00:47:28,079 readable license plate. Using only the 1090 00:47:28,079 --> 00:47:29,760 vehicle's make, model color, and a time 1091 00:47:29,760 --> 00:47:31,440 frame, I was able to locate the vehicle 1092 00:47:31,440 --> 00:47:34,000 using flock data. The suspect was 1093 00:47:34,000 --> 00:47:35,440 located and arrested and was determined 1094 00:47:35,440 --> 00:47:37,280 to be associated with the felony lane 1095 00:47:37,280 --> 00:47:39,520 gang, a national criminal organization 1096 00:47:39,520 --> 00:47:41,760 known for coming to the rural areas and 1097 00:47:41,760 --> 00:47:43,200 committing financial crimes just like 1098 00:47:43,200 --> 00:47:45,760 this. Without flock, investigators would 1099 00:47:45,760 --> 00:47:47,280 have never had enough information to 1100 00:47:47,280 --> 00:47:50,880 identify this suspect vehicle. 1101 00:47:50,880 --> 00:47:57,190 >> Thank you, Miss Bishop. 1102 00:47:57,200 --> 00:47:59,119 » Part of the reason I became a prosecutor 1103 00:47:59,119 --> 00:48:01,440 is to also protect Fourth Amendment 1104 00:48:01,440 --> 00:48:05,920 rights for people. Um, I had 1105 00:48:05,920 --> 00:48:08,560 encountered individuals, prosecutors who 1106 00:48:08,560 --> 00:48:10,160 would file cases even though a Fourth 1107 00:48:10,160 --> 00:48:12,240 Amendment violation had occurred because 1108 00:48:12,240 --> 00:48:13,359 they thought, well, let's see if the 1109 00:48:13,359 --> 00:48:14,720 defense attorney catches it. That's not 1110 00:48:14,720 --> 00:48:16,240 something that we do in my office. In my 1111 00:48:16,240 --> 00:48:18,319 office, we protect everybody's rights, 1112 00:48:18,319 --> 00:48:20,560 even criminals, if the their Fourth 1113 00:48:20,560 --> 00:48:23,440 Amendment right to unreasonable against 1114 00:48:23,440 --> 00:48:24,960 unreasonable search and seizure is 1115 00:48:24,960 --> 00:48:27,440 violated. 1116 00:48:27,440 --> 00:48:30,079 this again 1117 00:48:30,079 --> 00:48:31,920 are picking up vehicles in a public 1118 00:48:31,920 --> 00:48:35,920 place. Um we can uh should and do have 1119 00:48:35,920 --> 00:48:37,920 strong policies governing retention, 1120 00:48:37,920 --> 00:48:41,599 access, auditing and misuse. Um but 1121 00:48:41,599 --> 00:48:43,520 rejecting a proven investigative tool 1122 00:48:43,520 --> 00:48:45,520 because it could be misused is not the 1123 00:48:45,520 --> 00:48:47,839 answer. The answer is strong oversight 1124 00:48:47,839 --> 00:48:50,000 and responsible use. When properly 1125 00:48:50,000 --> 00:48:51,520 regulated, flot cameras give law 1126 00:48:51,520 --> 00:48:53,520 enforcement another set of eyes and give 1127 00:48:53,520 --> 00:48:54,960 victims a better chance of getting 1128 00:48:54,960 --> 00:48:57,119 answers. When we cannot afford to have 1129 00:48:57,119 --> 00:48:58,880 resources to have an officer on every 1130 00:48:58,880 --> 00:49:01,119 corner 24/7, these cameras stand in 1131 00:49:01,119 --> 00:49:03,839 their place. Please do not take away a 1132 00:49:03,839 --> 00:49:06,079 law enforcement tool. By doing so, you 1133 00:49:06,079 --> 00:49:07,280 will send the message that Kendall 1134 00:49:07,280 --> 00:49:09,599 County's open season for criminals. I 1135 00:49:09,599 --> 00:49:11,440 would rather explain to a voter why I 1136 00:49:11,440 --> 00:49:12,960 supported a tool designed to catch 1137 00:49:12,960 --> 00:49:15,599 criminals than explain to a victim why I 1138 00:49:15,599 --> 00:49:18,319 voted to take it away. 1139 00:49:18,319 --> 00:49:21,040 I ask you to to ask yourself that 1140 00:49:21,040 --> 00:49:23,760 question. 1141 00:49:23,760 --> 00:49:25,760 What will you say to a parent whose 1142 00:49:25,760 --> 00:49:27,760 child has been abduct abducted and we no 1143 00:49:27,760 --> 00:49:29,680 longer have a tool to find a vehicle 1144 00:49:29,680 --> 00:49:33,359 that that child was abducted in? 1145 00:49:33,359 --> 00:49:34,640 And I think that that's very important 1146 00:49:34,640 --> 00:49:36,559 to ask yourself that question. Our 1147 00:49:36,559 --> 00:49:38,160 law-abiding citizens should feel safe 1148 00:49:38,160 --> 00:49:39,520 driving into Kendall County. The people 1149 00:49:39,520 --> 00:49:40,880 who should be uncomfortable crossing 1150 00:49:40,880 --> 00:49:42,960 that county line are people coming here 1151 00:49:42,960 --> 00:49:45,680 to commit crimes. I have seen firsthand 1152 00:49:45,680 --> 00:49:47,440 where smugglers and human traffickers 1153 00:49:47,440 --> 00:49:50,319 avoid towns and roads that have LPRs and 1154 00:49:50,319 --> 00:49:52,079 these flock cameras because they know 1155 00:49:52,079 --> 00:49:53,920 about it. I have seen like in Regent 1156 00:49:53,920 --> 00:49:56,400 Park where people they've targeted. As 1157 00:49:56,400 --> 00:49:57,839 soon as we get those cameras in, they do 1158 00:49:57,839 --> 00:49:59,680 not target it anymore. This is a 1159 00:49:59,680 --> 00:50:01,520 protective measure for our county. This 1160 00:50:01,520 --> 00:50:03,920 protects the bubble around our county. 1161 00:50:03,920 --> 00:50:06,960 Please do not allow the crime to rise in 1162 00:50:06,960 --> 00:50:09,520 this county because 1163 00:50:09,520 --> 00:50:11,839 again, these cameras are in a public 1164 00:50:11,839 --> 00:50:14,319 place. This is not a Fourth Amendment 1165 00:50:14,319 --> 00:50:15,440 violation. 1166 00:50:15,440 --> 00:50:17,119 >> Thank you. All right. And Miss 1167 00:50:17,119 --> 00:50:18,880 Oakenberg, if you can come to the other 1168 00:50:18,880 --> 00:50:21,760 table and you may begin. 1169 00:50:21,760 --> 00:50:23,520 >> Thank you. Good morning. My name is 1170 00:50:23,520 --> 00:50:25,599 Emily Hamby Irvine, a Kendall County 1171 00:50:25,599 --> 00:50:27,599 resident, and I'm asking you to vote no 1172 00:50:27,599 --> 00:50:30,160 on items 14 and 15 and end Kendall 1173 00:50:30,160 --> 00:50:32,960 County's involvement with flock safety. 1174 00:50:32,960 --> 00:50:34,960 I'm not asking for a modification of 1175 00:50:34,960 --> 00:50:37,440 this program. I'm asking you to defund 1176 00:50:37,440 --> 00:50:40,079 it and discontinue it. Flock creates a 1177 00:50:40,079 --> 00:50:41,839 searchable record of the movements of 1178 00:50:41,839 --> 00:50:44,079 ordinary citizens who are not suspected 1179 00:50:44,079 --> 00:50:46,640 of committing a crime. Vehicles are 1180 00:50:46,640 --> 00:50:48,559 photographed, timestamped, location 1181 00:50:48,559 --> 00:50:50,559 stamped, stored, and searched simply 1182 00:50:50,559 --> 00:50:52,800 because they passed a camera. And we 1183 00:50:52,800 --> 00:50:54,720 already know the consequences when these 1184 00:50:54,720 --> 00:50:57,280 systems fail. Earlier this month in 1185 00:50:57,280 --> 00:50:59,359 Wisconsin, two innocent people were 1186 00:50:59,359 --> 00:51:01,040 pulled from their vehicle at gunpoint 1187 00:51:01,040 --> 00:51:04,079 after a flock alert connected to their 1188 00:51:04,079 --> 00:51:08,160 SUV um to a homicide. The vehicle had 1189 00:51:08,160 --> 00:51:10,400 already been cleared. An error in a 1190 00:51:10,400 --> 00:51:13,280 database became a gundrawn police 1191 00:51:13,280 --> 00:51:16,000 encounter in Colorado. An innocent woman 1192 00:51:16,000 --> 00:51:18,640 who was summoned for theft after Flock 1193 00:51:18,640 --> 00:51:21,200 placed her vehicle near a package theft. 1194 00:51:21,200 --> 00:51:23,040 She proved her innocence only because 1195 00:51:23,040 --> 00:51:25,040 she had her own cameras showing where 1196 00:51:25,040 --> 00:51:27,599 she actually was. What happens to the 1197 00:51:27,599 --> 00:51:29,520 innocent person who cannot prove where 1198 00:51:29,520 --> 00:51:32,000 they are? And misuse is not 1199 00:51:32,000 --> 00:51:34,400 hypothetical. A national investigation 1200 00:51:34,400 --> 00:51:36,640 has identified dozens of law enforcement 1201 00:51:36,640 --> 00:51:39,280 officials accused, charged, or convicted 1202 00:51:39,280 --> 00:51:42,079 of abusing license plate reader systems, 1203 00:51:42,079 --> 00:51:44,880 including officers allegedly using them 1204 00:51:44,880 --> 00:51:46,880 to track wives, girlfriends, and 1205 00:51:46,880 --> 00:51:49,359 ex-girlfriends. Now, Kendall County is 1206 00:51:49,359 --> 00:51:51,040 being asked to spend approximately 1207 00:51:51,040 --> 00:51:54,079 $200,000 every year on this system. We 1208 00:51:54,079 --> 00:51:56,319 do not own the equipment, and grant 1209 00:51:56,319 --> 00:51:58,559 money is still taxpayer money. We should 1210 00:51:58,559 --> 00:52:00,720 not pay a private corporation to build a 1211 00:52:00,720 --> 00:52:03,200 searchable record of the movements of 1212 00:52:03,200 --> 00:52:05,440 law-abiding Kendall County residents. 1213 00:52:05,440 --> 00:52:07,520 This is not limited government. This is 1214 00:52:07,520 --> 00:52:09,440 not privacy and this is not 1215 00:52:09,440 --> 00:52:12,240 infrastructure I want to normalize in 1216 00:52:12,240 --> 00:52:14,640 Kendall County. Please give flock no 1217 00:52:14,640 --> 00:52:16,880 more years, no more dollars, and no more 1218 00:52:16,880 --> 00:52:20,000 opportunity to expand. Vote no on items 1219 00:52:20,000 --> 00:52:21,760 14 and 15. Thank you. 1220 00:52:21,760 --> 00:52:24,240 >> Thank you. And Miss Leah begs, if you 1221 00:52:24,240 --> 00:52:28,000 can come to this table, then Lenor. 1222 00:52:28,000 --> 00:52:29,839 >> My name is Lenor Oakberg. I'm a Kendo 1223 00:52:29,839 --> 00:52:31,599 County resident. I'm here today to 1224 00:52:31,599 --> 00:52:33,440 strongly oppose the county's continued 1225 00:52:33,440 --> 00:52:35,599 use of expansion of flock cameras. I'm 1226 00:52:35,599 --> 00:52:36,960 frankly appalled that our elected 1227 00:52:36,960 --> 00:52:38,720 officials would consider the level of 1228 00:52:38,720 --> 00:52:40,720 surveillance to ordinary citizens, an 1229 00:52:40,720 --> 00:52:42,640 acceptable trade-off for the possibility 1230 00:52:42,640 --> 00:52:44,559 of assisting law enforcement in solving 1231 00:52:44,559 --> 00:52:46,640 some crimes. These cameras don't just 1232 00:52:46,640 --> 00:52:48,559 photograph criminals. They photograph 1233 00:52:48,559 --> 00:52:51,040 all of us. the overwhelming majority of 1234 00:52:51,040 --> 00:52:53,119 us who are suspect suspected of 1235 00:52:53,119 --> 00:52:55,440 absolutely nothing. There will always be 1236 00:52:55,440 --> 00:52:56,800 technology that can help law 1237 00:52:56,800 --> 00:52:58,720 enforcement's job to be easier. But 1238 00:52:58,720 --> 00:53:00,400 making law enforcement's job easier 1239 00:53:00,400 --> 00:53:02,000 cannot be the standard by which we 1240 00:53:02,000 --> 00:53:04,079 decide how much privacy citizens must 1241 00:53:04,079 --> 00:53:06,480 surrender. I respect our law enforcement 1242 00:53:06,480 --> 00:53:08,319 officers and the difficult job they 1243 00:53:08,319 --> 00:53:10,800 voluntarily take on. But the difficulty 1244 00:53:10,800 --> 00:53:12,640 of that job does not give government 1245 00:53:12,640 --> 00:53:14,480 unlimited authority to monitor 1246 00:53:14,480 --> 00:53:16,720 law-abiding citizens simply because the 1247 00:53:16,720 --> 00:53:19,200 technology now makes it possible. And 1248 00:53:19,200 --> 00:53:21,040 the evidence does not justify 1249 00:53:21,040 --> 00:53:22,640 threatening this treating this 1250 00:53:22,640 --> 00:53:24,640 technology as an overwhelming public 1251 00:53:24,640 --> 00:53:27,359 safety necessity. Research on license 1252 00:53:27,359 --> 00:53:29,680 plates readers has shown mixed results. 1253 00:53:29,680 --> 00:53:31,839 There may be benefits in recovering 1254 00:53:31,839 --> 00:53:34,800 stolen vehicles or investigating certain 1255 00:53:34,800 --> 00:53:37,920 crimes, but those benefits must be 1256 00:53:37,920 --> 00:53:39,680 weighed against creating a system 1257 00:53:39,680 --> 00:53:41,680 capable of documenting the movements of 1258 00:53:41,680 --> 00:53:44,079 thousands of innocent citizens. We're 1259 00:53:44,079 --> 00:53:46,800 looking at more than 200,000 for the 1260 00:53:46,800 --> 00:53:48,559 current term and nearly 2,000 for the 1261 00:53:48,559 --> 00:53:50,640 following. Yes, 80% of that may come 1262 00:53:50,640 --> 00:53:52,480 from a grant, but grant money is 1263 00:53:52,480 --> 00:53:55,200 taxpayer money. More importantly, our 1264 00:53:55,200 --> 00:53:57,200 privacy should not suddenly become 1265 00:53:57,200 --> 00:53:58,800 negotiable because someone else is 1266 00:53:58,800 --> 00:54:01,520 paying 80% of the bill. Once the infra 1267 00:54:01,520 --> 00:54:03,440 infrastructure becomes normalized, where 1268 00:54:03,440 --> 00:54:05,280 does it end? Today we're told it's 1269 00:54:05,280 --> 00:54:06,960 stolen vehicles and catalytic 1270 00:54:06,960 --> 00:54:08,800 converters. But what happens tomorrow 1271 00:54:08,800 --> 00:54:10,720 when the same technology can be used to 1272 00:54:10,720 --> 00:54:12,960 identify who attended a pro pe peaceful 1273 00:54:12,960 --> 00:54:15,040 protest, a political meeting, or an 1274 00:54:15,040 --> 00:54:17,359 event challenging the government itself? 1275 00:54:17,359 --> 00:54:19,040 That's where surveillance begins to 1276 00:54:19,040 --> 00:54:21,359 threaten more than privacy. It can chill 1277 00:54:21,359 --> 00:54:23,680 free speech and lawful assembly. We 1278 00:54:23,680 --> 00:54:25,599 should not build that infrastructure and 1279 00:54:25,599 --> 00:54:27,200 simply trust that the government will 1280 00:54:27,200 --> 00:54:29,920 never misuse it. Kendall County, not 1281 00:54:29,920 --> 00:54:31,920 Houston, is a place where people value 1282 00:54:31,920 --> 00:54:34,400 individual liberty, limited government, 1283 00:54:34,400 --> 00:54:36,000 and personal privacy. 1284 00:54:36,000 --> 00:54:39,119 >> Thank you. And uh one last call for Leah 1285 00:54:39,119 --> 00:54:41,680 Begs. 1286 00:54:41,680 --> 00:54:46,160 She online. Okay. So, I'm going to call 1287 00:54:46,160 --> 00:54:55,670 James Oxford and Sean O'Connell. 1288 00:54:55,680 --> 00:54:57,280 And you may start, sir. 1289 00:54:57,280 --> 00:54:59,920 >> Okay. Sure. Hello, I'm Sean Oonnell. Um, 1290 00:54:59,920 --> 00:55:02,400 I'm a resident of Kendall County and um, 1291 00:55:02,400 --> 00:55:03,920 I just wanted to speak about the flot 1292 00:55:03,920 --> 00:55:07,599 camera issues. So, uh, I want to argue 1293 00:55:07,599 --> 00:55:09,680 that privacy is directly related to 1294 00:55:09,680 --> 00:55:11,440 security, especially in the cyber 1295 00:55:11,440 --> 00:55:15,040 security world. Um, and it's about 1296 00:55:15,040 --> 00:55:16,400 preventing people from getting 1297 00:55:16,400 --> 00:55:19,119 privileged access to your data or 1298 00:55:19,119 --> 00:55:20,720 privileged information about you such as 1299 00:55:20,720 --> 00:55:23,040 your whereabouts and other things about 1300 00:55:23,040 --> 00:55:24,720 your your behavior that you don't want 1301 00:55:24,720 --> 00:55:27,760 to necessarily share with everybody. Um 1302 00:55:27,760 --> 00:55:30,319 a couple of and I just feel like this uh 1303 00:55:30,319 --> 00:55:32,160 surveillance in our lives is becoming 1304 00:55:32,160 --> 00:55:35,359 like an increasing uh phenomenon. So 1305 00:55:35,359 --> 00:55:37,599 like one example is I'll just give two 1306 00:55:37,599 --> 00:55:39,440 examples. So like one example is the 1307 00:55:39,440 --> 00:55:42,240 iPhone. I think it was in like 2018 1308 00:55:42,240 --> 00:55:45,200 um suddenly like all of our photos were 1309 00:55:45,200 --> 00:55:48,400 like automatically analyzed by AI and 1310 00:55:48,400 --> 00:55:50,640 for like objects like text and like 1311 00:55:50,640 --> 00:55:52,480 facial recognition and stuff and they 1312 00:55:52,480 --> 00:55:54,640 didn't ask like any permission to do 1313 00:55:54,640 --> 00:55:56,240 that. it's it's just like on all our 1314 00:55:56,240 --> 00:56:00,000 iPhones enabled by default. And so um 1315 00:56:00,000 --> 00:56:02,400 like you know that that assumes a lot of 1316 00:56:02,400 --> 00:56:04,240 trust in the company that that we didn't 1317 00:56:04,240 --> 00:56:06,319 really grant them. And then the second 1318 00:56:06,319 --> 00:56:08,880 thing is uh a good thing is the 1319 00:56:08,880 --> 00:56:12,000 transition from HTTP to HTTPS on the 1320 00:56:12,000 --> 00:56:14,559 internet. Uh in the last like 10 years 1321 00:56:14,559 --> 00:56:17,839 it's gone from 30% to 95% and that like 1322 00:56:17,839 --> 00:56:19,839 completely prevents eavesdropping on the 1323 00:56:19,839 --> 00:56:23,599 internet. um like all the traffic is not 1324 00:56:23,599 --> 00:56:25,040 seeable by like a man-in-the-middle 1325 00:56:25,040 --> 00:56:28,319 attack. And so I think if we use that as 1326 00:56:28,319 --> 00:56:31,839 a like a model, I think um like I hope 1327 00:56:31,839 --> 00:56:33,359 that we move in that direction instead 1328 00:56:33,359 --> 00:56:34,720 of the other direction where it's like 1329 00:56:34,720 --> 00:56:39,839 this slip in of um surveillance. So uh 1330 00:56:39,839 --> 00:56:42,559 another thing is I uh well actually 1331 00:56:42,559 --> 00:56:44,079 those are my main points. Um but yeah, 1332 00:56:44,079 --> 00:56:47,280 I'm just hoping that you vote no on 14 1333 00:56:47,280 --> 00:56:51,119 and 15. Um, and yeah, thank you. 1334 00:56:51,119 --> 00:56:52,240 >> All right, thank you for your comments 1335 00:56:52,240 --> 00:56:55,280 and then we're going to call Suanne Pile 1336 00:56:55,280 --> 00:56:57,359 over here. All right, and you may begin. 1337 00:56:57,359 --> 00:57:00,400 >> Hi. Um, my first concern is about Flock 1338 00:57:00,400 --> 00:57:02,480 Safety itself. Privately owned company 1339 00:57:02,480 --> 00:57:05,920 founded in 2017. Um, since less than 10 1340 00:57:05,920 --> 00:57:08,240 years, it's got 120,000 cameras across 1341 00:57:08,240 --> 00:57:09,440 the United States. 1342 00:57:09,440 --> 00:57:11,599 >> He didn't identify himself. Could you 1343 00:57:11,599 --> 00:57:11,920 please 1344 00:57:11,920 --> 00:57:12,880 >> James Oxford? 1345 00:57:12,880 --> 00:57:14,160 >> Okay. And are you a Kendall County 1346 00:57:14,160 --> 00:57:14,559 resident? 1347 00:57:14,559 --> 00:57:14,960 >> I am. 1348 00:57:14,960 --> 00:57:16,000 >> Okay. 1349 00:57:16,000 --> 00:57:17,680 um 1350 00:57:17,680 --> 00:57:19,280 120,000 cameras across the United 1351 00:57:19,280 --> 00:57:21,200 States. Um the result is a system 1352 00:57:21,200 --> 00:57:22,640 capable of tracking movements of 1353 00:57:22,640 --> 00:57:25,200 ordinary people who never consented to 1354 00:57:25,200 --> 00:57:26,960 being monitored and have no meaningful 1355 00:57:26,960 --> 00:57:29,440 way of opting out of the system. Um a 1356 00:57:29,440 --> 00:57:31,920 private company elected by no one 1357 00:57:31,920 --> 00:57:35,359 accountable to no one um who has erected 1358 00:57:35,359 --> 00:57:37,359 a surveillance system that we don't have 1359 00:57:37,359 --> 00:57:40,559 any real option about. Um, you know, 1360 00:57:40,559 --> 00:57:43,280 George Orwell wrote in 1984, "Big 1361 00:57:43,280 --> 00:57:45,280 Brothers Watching, this is all happening 1362 00:57:45,280 --> 00:57:48,880 right in front of our eyes." Um, what is 1363 00:57:48,880 --> 00:57:50,720 also not talked about is the misuse of 1364 00:57:50,720 --> 00:57:52,799 these systems. It's already happening. 1365 00:57:52,799 --> 00:57:55,200 Um, in California, a former Riverside 1366 00:57:55,200 --> 00:57:57,119 County deputy was convicted of using 1367 00:57:57,119 --> 00:57:59,680 flock to stalk his ex- fiance. In 1368 00:57:59,680 --> 00:58:01,680 Pasadena, Texas, a police sergeant 1369 00:58:01,680 --> 00:58:04,079 resigned after allegations of him 1370 00:58:04,079 --> 00:58:07,200 misusing flock systems. in Georgia. Um, 1371 00:58:07,200 --> 00:58:09,920 a police chief chief, not an officer, a 1372 00:58:09,920 --> 00:58:12,319 chief, um, searched Flock hundreds of 1373 00:58:12,319 --> 00:58:14,240 times to track his former girlfriend and 1374 00:58:14,240 --> 00:58:16,160 her teenage daughter. Same thing 1375 00:58:16,160 --> 00:58:18,559 happened in Kansas. Another police chief 1376 00:58:18,559 --> 00:58:20,640 reportedly used the system 200 times to 1377 00:58:20,640 --> 00:58:24,319 track his his uh his ex-girlfriend. 1378 00:58:24,319 --> 00:58:28,160 Um, so these these are systems or these 1379 00:58:28,160 --> 00:58:29,839 are incidents that have already 1380 00:58:29,839 --> 00:58:32,240 occurred. It's not a what if, it's, you 1381 00:58:32,240 --> 00:58:33,920 know, who has access to these things and 1382 00:58:33,920 --> 00:58:36,240 how will they misuse them. 1383 00:58:36,240 --> 00:58:39,839 Um, you know, Lord Actton famously said, 1384 00:58:39,839 --> 00:58:42,000 "Power tends to corrupt and absolute 1385 00:58:42,000 --> 00:58:44,480 power corrupts absolutely." Today, it 1386 00:58:44,480 --> 00:58:46,319 can be rephrased, "Absolute surveillance 1387 00:58:46,319 --> 00:58:49,520 will surveil you absolutely." Um, and I 1388 00:58:49,520 --> 00:58:50,799 want to be clear that I'm not an enemy 1389 00:58:50,799 --> 00:58:52,480 of law enforcement or the elected 1390 00:58:52,480 --> 00:58:54,000 officials sitting in this room. You guys 1391 00:58:54,000 --> 00:58:55,839 have difficult jobs. Um, and I'm sure 1392 00:58:55,839 --> 00:58:57,680 the system helps you in certain ways, 1393 00:58:57,680 --> 00:58:59,839 but where does it end? 1394 00:58:59,839 --> 00:59:01,760 um you know big government shouldn't 1395 00:59:01,760 --> 00:59:03,200 have the authority to sit here and 1396 00:59:03,200 --> 00:59:05,839 surveil us without any you know real 1397 00:59:05,839 --> 00:59:08,960 promises of you know pulling back you 1398 00:59:08,960 --> 00:59:09,839 know so 1399 00:59:09,839 --> 00:59:11,200 >> take that into consideration 1400 00:59:11,200 --> 00:59:13,760 >> thank you for your time all right Huff 1401 00:59:13,760 --> 00:59:15,920 if you can come up next from Suanne 1402 00:59:15,920 --> 00:59:17,040 you're 1403 00:59:17,040 --> 00:59:19,680 >> my name is Suanne Pile I am a Kendall 1404 00:59:19,680 --> 00:59:22,799 County resident and 1405 00:59:22,799 --> 00:59:27,200 I am a retired social studies teacher 1406 00:59:27,200 --> 00:59:29,839 and I taught government 1407 00:59:29,839 --> 00:59:34,960 civics many years and I am very worried 1408 00:59:34,960 --> 00:59:38,319 about the continual 1409 00:59:38,319 --> 00:59:41,200 encroachment of our liberties. I do 1410 00:59:41,200 --> 00:59:44,720 believe contrary to what the um somebody 1411 00:59:44,720 --> 00:59:46,319 said earlier that this is a fourth 1412 00:59:46,319 --> 00:59:48,960 amendment right. I believe that we have 1413 00:59:48,960 --> 00:59:52,000 a right to privacy. 1414 00:59:52,000 --> 00:59:54,480 I understand that that law enforcement 1415 00:59:54,480 --> 00:59:58,559 has a hard job and they need to do their 1416 00:59:58,559 --> 01:00:01,920 job with the best tools they can, but I 1417 01:00:01,920 --> 01:00:04,960 do not think that 1418 01:00:04,960 --> 01:00:07,040 surveilling 1419 01:00:07,040 --> 01:00:09,599 the entire county, 1420 01:00:09,599 --> 01:00:12,400 every person in it 1421 01:00:12,400 --> 01:00:14,240 is 1422 01:00:14,240 --> 01:00:17,599 what we want to have. Uh we do not want 1423 01:00:17,599 --> 01:00:20,880 to become a a a surveillance state. We 1424 01:00:20,880 --> 01:00:23,359 do not want to become 1425 01:00:23,359 --> 01:00:26,640 as somebody said somewhere where they 1426 01:00:26,640 --> 01:00:30,480 track our every move and start saying 1427 01:00:30,480 --> 01:00:33,920 things about where we go and like I said 1428 01:00:33,920 --> 01:00:36,880 going to a protest that is we have the 1429 01:00:36,880 --> 01:00:41,520 right to gather and and if that we start 1430 01:00:41,520 --> 01:00:43,599 being targeted because of the places 1431 01:00:43,599 --> 01:00:46,079 that we go to that should not be 1432 01:00:46,079 --> 01:00:51,280 happening here. Um, so 1433 01:00:51,280 --> 01:00:53,680 from a constitutional viewpoint, I do 1434 01:00:53,680 --> 01:00:55,680 not believe that these flock cameras 1435 01:00:55,680 --> 01:00:58,400 should be used on ordinary citizens. 1436 01:00:58,400 --> 01:00:59,040 Thank you. 1437 01:00:59,040 --> 01:01:00,960 >> Thank you, ma'am. 1438 01:01:00,960 --> 01:01:02,960 Uh, next up over here is going to be 1439 01:01:02,960 --> 01:01:06,079 Steven Riggs and floor is yours, sir. 1440 01:01:06,079 --> 01:01:07,520 >> Thank you, Mr. Chairman, members of the 1441 01:01:07,520 --> 01:01:09,359 commission. My name is Brody Huff and I 1442 01:01:09,359 --> 01:01:11,040 am here to represent myself. I am a 1443 01:01:11,040 --> 01:01:12,880 resident of Comfort Texas and Kimell 1444 01:01:12,880 --> 01:01:14,880 County and I stand in firm opposition of 1445 01:01:14,880 --> 01:01:17,440 any renewed contract with Flock Safety 1446 01:01:17,440 --> 01:01:19,920 Group between them and Kimmel County. 1447 01:01:19,920 --> 01:01:21,440 Not because of the cost of any new 1448 01:01:21,440 --> 01:01:23,119 contract and not because of how ugly 1449 01:01:23,119 --> 01:01:24,480 they are on the sides of our beautiful 1450 01:01:24,480 --> 01:01:27,920 roads, but because they because safety 1451 01:01:27,920 --> 01:01:32,160 can never overweigh liberty. 1452 01:01:32,160 --> 01:01:33,440 All of you on this commission are 1453 01:01:33,440 --> 01:01:35,359 Republicans, so I'm sure that all of you 1454 01:01:35,359 --> 01:01:37,359 are familiar with the age-old argument 1455 01:01:37,359 --> 01:01:38,880 that if we just get rid of guns, our 1456 01:01:38,880 --> 01:01:40,880 communities will be safer. This same 1457 01:01:40,880 --> 01:01:42,480 argument is being used to push flock 1458 01:01:42,480 --> 01:01:43,920 cameras. If we just put these cameras 1459 01:01:43,920 --> 01:01:45,680 up, our communities will be safer. I am 1460 01:01:45,680 --> 01:01:47,680 asking that you don't put a band-aid on 1461 01:01:47,680 --> 01:01:50,240 an arterial ble bleed. Stop treating the 1462 01:01:50,240 --> 01:01:52,799 symptoms. Start treating the problems. 1463 01:01:52,799 --> 01:01:55,599 Try to urge your community to heal and 1464 01:01:55,599 --> 01:01:57,680 perhaps these crimes will not happen as 1465 01:01:57,680 --> 01:01:59,839 often. 1466 01:01:59,839 --> 01:02:01,280 I'm sure that some of you are aware of 1467 01:02:01,280 --> 01:02:03,280 it, but just in case you were not, we 1468 01:02:03,280 --> 01:02:05,440 were warned about people who would give 1469 01:02:05,440 --> 01:02:08,799 up liberty for safety in 1755 when 1470 01:02:08,799 --> 01:02:10,799 Benjamin Franklin said, "Those who would 1471 01:02:10,799 --> 01:02:12,559 give up essential liberty deserve 1472 01:02:12,559 --> 01:02:15,760 neither liberty essential liberty to 1473 01:02:15,760 --> 01:02:17,680 purchase a little temporary safety 1474 01:02:17,680 --> 01:02:20,720 deserve neither liberty or safety." I 1475 01:02:20,720 --> 01:02:22,960 see none of you as enemies. Miss Wish, I 1476 01:02:22,960 --> 01:02:25,599 know you. Mr. Carpenter, I know you. Mr. 1477 01:02:25,599 --> 01:02:26,960 Chapman, I am aware of your voting 1478 01:02:26,960 --> 01:02:28,799 record and commend you for voting the 1479 01:02:28,799 --> 01:02:30,880 correct way the past two times and that 1480 01:02:30,880 --> 01:02:32,960 this was brought in front of the court. 1481 01:02:32,960 --> 01:02:35,359 I myself and I'm sure that a few of us 1482 01:02:35,359 --> 01:02:36,720 in the crowd are willing to give you the 1483 01:02:36,720 --> 01:02:37,839 benefit of the doubt when it comes to 1484 01:02:37,839 --> 01:02:39,520 how the vote went the first two times 1485 01:02:39,520 --> 01:02:40,960 because the information and the 1486 01:02:40,960 --> 01:02:42,880 controversy around these cameras was not 1487 01:02:42,880 --> 01:02:45,280 present, but it is now. So, please take 1488 01:02:45,280 --> 01:02:47,920 it into account as the vote on this item 1489 01:02:47,920 --> 01:02:50,400 comes forward. Thank you for your time 1490 01:02:50,400 --> 01:02:52,079 and I yield the rest of mine. 1491 01:02:52,079 --> 01:02:54,480 >> Thank you. All right. Uh, next up at 1492 01:02:54,480 --> 01:02:57,680 this table is going to be Emily Hamby. 1493 01:02:57,680 --> 01:02:59,839 Oh, sorry. I already got her. Clayton 1494 01:02:59,839 --> 01:03:02,000 Patton over here. 1495 01:03:02,000 --> 01:03:04,480 All right, the floor is yours, sir. 1496 01:03:04,480 --> 01:03:06,160 Judge and commissioners, my name is 1497 01:03:06,160 --> 01:03:08,880 Steven Riggs. Uh, I'm a longtime 1498 01:03:08,880 --> 01:03:12,400 resident of Kendall County. I'm speaking 1499 01:03:12,400 --> 01:03:15,520 today to oppose the Fox mass 1500 01:03:15,520 --> 01:03:17,839 surveillance system. 1501 01:03:17,839 --> 01:03:20,559 As rural residents and taxpayers, we 1502 01:03:20,559 --> 01:03:22,240 value our personal privacy and 1503 01:03:22,240 --> 01:03:24,960 constitutional liberties. The deployment 1504 01:03:24,960 --> 01:03:27,680 of automated surveillance that logs, 1505 01:03:27,680 --> 01:03:30,319 tracks, and stores the travel patterns 1506 01:03:30,319 --> 01:03:33,520 of innocent law-abiding citizens creates 1507 01:03:33,520 --> 01:03:35,839 a dragnet system without reasonable 1508 01:03:35,839 --> 01:03:39,200 suspicion or probable cause. This level 1509 01:03:39,200 --> 01:03:41,839 of mass data collection represents 1510 01:03:41,839 --> 01:03:44,960 unnecessary government overreach and 1511 01:03:44,960 --> 01:03:48,240 carries a substantial recurring fiscal 1512 01:03:48,240 --> 01:03:51,359 burden for our county taxpayers. 1513 01:03:51,359 --> 01:03:54,160 Furthermore, serious questions remain 1514 01:03:54,160 --> 01:03:56,799 regarding third-party data sharing, 1515 01:03:56,799 --> 01:03:59,599 long-term retention policies, and public 1516 01:03:59,599 --> 01:04:02,000 oversight. I urge the court to 1517 01:04:02,000 --> 01:04:05,839 prioritize citizen privacy, exercise the 1518 01:04:05,839 --> 01:04:07,760 termination clause in the county 1519 01:04:07,760 --> 01:04:10,480 agreement with flock safety, or at 1520 01:04:10,480 --> 01:04:12,799 minimum pause the program until a 1521 01:04:12,799 --> 01:04:16,000 dedicated, transparent public hearing is 1522 01:04:16,000 --> 01:04:19,280 held to allow residents a formal voice 1523 01:04:19,280 --> 01:04:22,720 on this surveillance infrastructure. 1524 01:04:22,720 --> 01:04:24,640 Thank you for your time and commit and 1525 01:04:24,640 --> 01:04:25,599 commitment. 1526 01:04:25,599 --> 01:04:26,000 >> Thank you. 1527 01:04:26,000 --> 01:04:28,000 Uh, next up over here is 1528 01:04:28,000 --> 01:04:31,680 going to be Lisa Alban. 1529 01:04:31,680 --> 01:04:32,880 Floor is yours, sir. 1530 01:04:32,880 --> 01:04:34,640 >> My name is Clayton Patton. I'm a 1531 01:04:34,640 --> 01:04:36,160 resident of Precinct 4 outside of 1532 01:04:36,160 --> 01:04:38,160 Comfort. I'll tell you, I do not want to 1533 01:04:38,160 --> 01:04:39,680 be here today, but it's an important 1534 01:04:39,680 --> 01:04:41,200 issue that needs to be discussed and 1535 01:04:41,200 --> 01:04:43,680 debated. I think these cameras are a 1536 01:04:43,680 --> 01:04:45,280 great surveillance tool. That being 1537 01:04:45,280 --> 01:04:47,359 said, they belong at the rim or west of 1538 01:04:47,359 --> 01:04:49,359 downtown San Antonio. I do not think 1539 01:04:49,359 --> 01:04:51,200 they should be on rural roads in Ken 1540 01:04:51,200 --> 01:04:52,960 County. 1541 01:04:52,960 --> 01:04:54,480 I want to talk a little bit about facts 1542 01:04:54,480 --> 01:04:56,400 and math that I've done to try to 1543 01:04:56,400 --> 01:04:59,039 prepare for today. I'll tell you, I only 1544 01:04:59,039 --> 01:05:01,680 have one way left to get to my house or 1545 01:05:01,680 --> 01:05:03,520 from my house to comfort without being 1546 01:05:03,520 --> 01:05:04,799 under surveillance of one of these 1547 01:05:04,799 --> 01:05:07,599 cameras. I live 7 miles outside of town. 1548 01:05:07,599 --> 01:05:09,039 There's plenty of back roads by my 1549 01:05:09,039 --> 01:05:10,559 house. 1550 01:05:10,559 --> 01:05:12,480 I think the goal of Flock and probably 1551 01:05:12,480 --> 01:05:15,200 in law enforcement is to not allow me or 1552 01:05:15,200 --> 01:05:16,880 other people in this county to use any 1553 01:05:16,880 --> 01:05:18,799 kind of connecting road without being 1554 01:05:18,799 --> 01:05:20,960 seen by a camera. I don't think they're 1555 01:05:20,960 --> 01:05:22,799 harmless. 1556 01:05:22,799 --> 01:05:25,520 As far as costs, sure it's a grant, but 1557 01:05:25,520 --> 01:05:28,880 think about the cost benefit analysis of 1558 01:05:28,880 --> 01:05:31,760 what we're using here. I believe it's I 1559 01:05:31,760 --> 01:05:33,200 know we're getting discounts and there's 1560 01:05:33,200 --> 01:05:34,400 been some other numbers thrown out 1561 01:05:34,400 --> 01:05:36,000 today, but it seems like they cost about 1562 01:05:36,000 --> 01:05:40,319 $5,000 a year for one camera. I have two 1563 01:05:40,319 --> 01:05:42,880 cameras on 1621 near my house or y'all 1564 01:05:42,880 --> 01:05:44,480 have them really. Everybody has them 1565 01:05:44,480 --> 01:05:46,400 now. Uh and there are two more on 1566 01:05:46,400 --> 01:05:50,400 welfare and wearing road. So, what did 1567 01:05:50,400 --> 01:05:53,599 we get with that? Are we finding two to 1568 01:05:53,599 --> 01:05:55,839 three possible stolen vehicles every 1569 01:05:55,839 --> 01:05:57,520 year? We're not finding. We're just 1570 01:05:57,520 --> 01:05:58,720 seeing them on a camera and know which 1571 01:05:58,720 --> 01:06:00,880 way they went. Or maybe every two to 1572 01:06:00,880 --> 01:06:03,520 three years. So, almost the entire cost 1573 01:06:03,520 --> 01:06:05,440 of my property tax bill is going to pay 1574 01:06:05,440 --> 01:06:06,960 for just one of these cameras for one 1575 01:06:06,960 --> 01:06:08,960 year. I don't know if there's really 1576 01:06:08,960 --> 01:06:12,160 benefit with that. 1577 01:06:12,160 --> 01:06:14,319 So, what cost will be cut to pay for 1578 01:06:14,319 --> 01:06:16,240 them? There is a grant. It's at the 1579 01:06:16,240 --> 01:06:17,839 state. But how many law enforcement 1580 01:06:17,839 --> 01:06:19,599 personnel have to be laid off to pay for 1581 01:06:19,599 --> 01:06:22,079 them? Or how many prosecutors, if the 1582 01:06:22,079 --> 01:06:23,599 job is made so much easier, it's an 1583 01:06:23,599 --> 01:06:26,000 invaluable tool. There's got to be a 1584 01:06:26,000 --> 01:06:28,640 costbenefit trade-off. 1585 01:06:28,640 --> 01:06:30,880 I don't know where that is, but I ask 1586 01:06:30,880 --> 01:06:35,359 y'all to think about that as you vote. 1587 01:06:35,359 --> 01:06:38,000 So, uh, these cameras operate via 1588 01:06:38,000 --> 01:06:40,880 National Software Network. 1589 01:06:40,880 --> 01:06:43,359 >> Your time is up, sir. Thank you. Uh, 1590 01:06:43,359 --> 01:06:45,039 next up over on this side is going to be 1591 01:06:45,039 --> 01:06:48,319 David's Storyly. And ma'am, your Lord's 1592 01:06:48,319 --> 01:06:50,160 yours. I'm so thirsty. 1593 01:06:50,160 --> 01:06:51,039 >> Oh, good morning. 1594 01:06:51,039 --> 01:06:52,640 >> Good morning. 1595 01:06:52,640 --> 01:06:55,599 >> Excuse me. My name is Lisa Alban. I am a 1596 01:06:55,599 --> 01:06:59,039 citizen of Kendall County. And I've 1597 01:06:59,039 --> 01:07:00,720 heard a lot this morning about the flock 1598 01:07:00,720 --> 01:07:03,039 cameras and the LPRs, the license plate 1599 01:07:03,039 --> 01:07:05,440 readers. But on the agenda item, it 1600 01:07:05,440 --> 01:07:07,520 doesn't say you are looking to continue 1601 01:07:07,520 --> 01:07:10,559 to participate in an LPR system or a 1602 01:07:10,559 --> 01:07:12,480 camera system. says that we are here to 1603 01:07:12,480 --> 01:07:15,520 consider uh to participate in the flock 1604 01:07:15,520 --> 01:07:18,079 safety platform. So I was like what is 1605 01:07:18,079 --> 01:07:21,200 the flock safety platform? So I went on 1606 01:07:21,200 --> 01:07:24,240 to the flock safety platform website and 1607 01:07:24,240 --> 01:07:25,920 it just says the cameras are just the 1608 01:07:25,920 --> 01:07:27,440 beginning and I was like well what does 1609 01:07:27,440 --> 01:07:29,359 that mean? I couldn't find anything on 1610 01:07:29,359 --> 01:07:32,160 the flock safety platform on the flock 1611 01:07:32,160 --> 01:07:34,559 safety platform website. So I looked up 1612 01:07:34,559 --> 01:07:36,400 their patent. So when you look up a 1613 01:07:36,400 --> 01:07:38,079 patent you find out a lot about what 1614 01:07:38,079 --> 01:07:40,640 this technology actually is. And it's 1615 01:07:40,640 --> 01:07:43,119 really interesting from the patent. I 1616 01:07:43,119 --> 01:07:46,079 learned all about it. The name of the 1617 01:07:46,079 --> 01:07:48,880 title of this patent from Flock Safety 1618 01:07:48,880 --> 01:07:51,119 Platform is a system and method for 1619 01:07:51,119 --> 01:07:53,280 object-based query of video content 1620 01:07:53,280 --> 01:07:55,599 captured by a dynamic surveillance 1621 01:07:55,599 --> 01:07:58,079 network. And here's what everybody in 1622 01:07:58,079 --> 01:08:00,400 this room needs to know. The Flock 1623 01:08:00,400 --> 01:08:03,280 Safety Platform's patent explicitly 1624 01:08:03,280 --> 01:08:05,760 describes not searching for license 1625 01:08:05,760 --> 01:08:08,319 plates, but searching for people. what 1626 01:08:08,319 --> 01:08:10,079 they're talking about in the objects in 1627 01:08:10,079 --> 01:08:11,839 that title. They're talking about human 1628 01:08:11,839 --> 01:08:14,240 beings. I'm not characterizing it this 1629 01:08:14,240 --> 01:08:16,319 way. This is in their patent. The patent 1630 01:08:16,319 --> 01:08:18,400 specifically describes that it's 1631 01:08:18,400 --> 01:08:20,719 classifying and identifying people with 1632 01:08:20,719 --> 01:08:22,640 their characteristics, sex, race, 1633 01:08:22,640 --> 01:08:24,560 clothing, height, weight, and facial 1634 01:08:24,560 --> 01:08:27,440 recognition. The patent is not just 1635 01:08:27,440 --> 01:08:29,199 about searching for cars and license 1636 01:08:29,199 --> 01:08:31,520 plates. It also describes searching for 1637 01:08:31,520 --> 01:08:33,679 historical surveillance and creating 1638 01:08:33,679 --> 01:08:36,239 maps and timelines. block safety 1639 01:08:36,239 --> 01:08:38,880 platform's patent, not me, but their 1640 01:08:38,880 --> 01:08:41,279 patent says that one of those timelines 1641 01:08:41,279 --> 01:08:44,719 may quote may then create probable cause 1642 01:08:44,719 --> 01:08:47,359 for questioning the driver. 1643 01:08:47,359 --> 01:08:50,799 Create probable cause. Probable cause 1644 01:08:50,799 --> 01:08:53,279 should not be created. It should grow 1645 01:08:53,279 --> 01:08:55,839 out of evidence for uh pointing towards 1646 01:08:55,839 --> 01:08:58,719 someone. Now, investigating a crime 1647 01:08:58,719 --> 01:09:00,799 backwards or a missing person backwards, 1648 01:09:00,799 --> 01:09:04,080 that is good police work. But this model 1649 01:09:04,080 --> 01:09:05,920 that's not what's happening. The patent 1650 01:09:05,920 --> 01:09:08,159 is providing surveillance on everyone 1651 01:09:08,159 --> 01:09:09,759 and stores it before anything bad 1652 01:09:09,759 --> 01:09:12,159 happens. Suspicion gets created later. 1653 01:09:12,159 --> 01:09:13,520 That's backwards and that is 1654 01:09:13,520 --> 01:09:15,040 fundamentally different relationship 1655 01:09:15,040 --> 01:09:16,960 between citizens and government. The 1656 01:09:16,960 --> 01:09:19,040 agenda today doesn't ask us to approve 1657 01:09:19,040 --> 01:09:20,799 license plates. They're asking us to 1658 01:09:20,799 --> 01:09:23,520 approve this platform and I don't 1659 01:09:23,520 --> 01:09:24,400 consent. 1660 01:09:24,400 --> 01:09:25,839 >> Thank you for your words. 1661 01:09:25,839 --> 01:09:27,199 >> Thank you. 1662 01:09:27,199 --> 01:09:29,359 All right. Uh we're going to 1663 01:09:29,359 --> 01:09:31,600 call Robert Okonnell up next and floor 1664 01:09:31,600 --> 01:09:33,600 is yours, sir. Good morning, court. My 1665 01:09:33,600 --> 01:09:35,440 name is David Stoley. I'm a resident of 1666 01:09:35,440 --> 01:09:38,640 precinct 3 in Kendall County. 1667 01:09:38,640 --> 01:09:40,560 I'm here today to talk about flock 1668 01:09:40,560 --> 01:09:42,960 safety. It could just as well be 1669 01:09:42,960 --> 01:09:45,279 numerous other surveillance systems, but 1670 01:09:45,279 --> 01:09:47,920 I'm using flock as a generic term here. 1671 01:09:47,920 --> 01:09:49,440 I'm not here to disparrage the 1672 01:09:49,440 --> 01:09:51,199 technology as there's no disputing that 1673 01:09:51,199 --> 01:09:52,960 when used properly, these systems can 1674 01:09:52,960 --> 01:09:55,440 help solve crimes. It's also shown in 1675 01:09:55,440 --> 01:09:57,360 too many instances that in the wrong 1676 01:09:57,360 --> 01:10:00,000 hands it can be used nefariously. One of 1677 01:10:00,000 --> 01:10:02,000 Flock's strongest selling points is 1678 01:10:02,000 --> 01:10:04,560 solving, may I say, not preventing child 1679 01:10:04,560 --> 01:10:06,880 abductions. This is a bit misleading. 1680 01:10:06,880 --> 01:10:08,800 Child abduction by strangers is an 1681 01:10:08,800 --> 01:10:10,800 extremely uncommon crime in the United 1682 01:10:10,800 --> 01:10:12,800 States, happening only about a hundred 1683 01:10:12,800 --> 01:10:15,040 times annually. Make no mistake, 1684 01:10:15,040 --> 01:10:16,800 protecting children is one of the most 1685 01:10:16,800 --> 01:10:19,280 important charges of our society. But at 1686 01:10:19,280 --> 01:10:21,440 what cost? Should society relinquish all 1687 01:10:21,440 --> 01:10:23,199 rights to privacy? Is this 1688 01:10:23,199 --> 01:10:27,750 proportionally equal to the problem? 1689 01:10:27,760 --> 01:10:29,679 The data collected falls into the wrong 1690 01:10:29,679 --> 01:10:31,679 hands, which it invariably does. What 1691 01:10:31,679 --> 01:10:33,600 can be done with it? Track people at 1692 01:10:33,600 --> 01:10:35,440 church, Planned Parenthood, gun store, 1693 01:10:35,440 --> 01:10:37,280 bar, psychiatrist, or cannabis 1694 01:10:37,280 --> 01:10:39,440 dispensary. It's really quite 1695 01:10:39,440 --> 01:10:40,960 frightening, no matter where you are on 1696 01:10:40,960 --> 01:10:43,199 the political spectrum. I believe there 1697 01:10:43,199 --> 01:10:44,800 are enough cameras out there that we 1698 01:10:44,800 --> 01:10:47,280 don't need taxpayer subsidized cameras. 1699 01:10:47,280 --> 01:10:49,360 I'm here to address what tax dollars are 1700 01:10:49,360 --> 01:10:51,199 being used for. I do not want the 1701 01:10:51,199 --> 01:10:52,880 government bodies responsible for 1702 01:10:52,880 --> 01:10:54,719 managing our communities spending tax 1703 01:10:54,719 --> 01:10:57,040 dollars on our movements. What happens 1704 01:10:57,040 --> 01:10:58,880 when Austin decides they no longer are 1705 01:10:58,880 --> 01:11:00,800 sponsoring these grants? I would like to 1706 01:11:00,800 --> 01:11:02,320 know if these grants given under the 1707 01:11:02,320 --> 01:11:04,560 opices of preventing catalytic converter 1708 01:11:04,560 --> 01:11:06,400 thefts have saved one converter. 1709 01:11:06,400 --> 01:11:07,840 Furthermore, I'd like to know how many 1710 01:11:07,840 --> 01:11:09,679 converters were stolen in Kendall County 1711 01:11:09,679 --> 01:11:12,239 last year. My redneck logic says that 1712 01:11:12,239 --> 01:11:13,920 what was spent on surveillance in the 1713 01:11:13,920 --> 01:11:15,440 county could have paid for every stolen 1714 01:11:15,440 --> 01:11:17,520 converter and still had money left over. 1715 01:11:17,520 --> 01:11:19,040 I asked the commissioner's court to 1716 01:11:19,040 --> 01:11:21,360 approve item 13, which you did, as 1717 01:11:21,360 --> 01:11:23,199 that's already been received. I also ask 1718 01:11:23,199 --> 01:11:25,520 that the court vote no on items 14 and 1719 01:11:25,520 --> 01:11:27,600 15 and end the surveillance in Kendall 1720 01:11:27,600 --> 01:11:30,080 County. Please do what is morally right 1721 01:11:30,080 --> 01:11:32,320 and end the program now. Ultimately, I 1722 01:11:32,320 --> 01:11:34,000 believe the Supreme Court will strike 1723 01:11:34,000 --> 01:11:35,760 this down, but it'll be years away. And 1724 01:11:35,760 --> 01:11:37,760 as has been mentioned before, I was 1725 01:11:37,760 --> 01:11:40,560 going to quote Benjamin Franklin and I I 1726 01:11:40,560 --> 01:11:42,080 will save the time for later. 1727 01:11:42,080 --> 01:11:42,560 >> Thank you, sir. 1728 01:11:42,560 --> 01:11:43,360 >> Thank you. 1729 01:11:43,360 --> 01:11:44,800 >> All right. Next up on this side is going 1730 01:11:44,800 --> 01:11:47,520 to be Gavin Nash and then floor is 1731 01:11:47,520 --> 01:11:48,560 yours. 1732 01:11:48,560 --> 01:11:50,080 >> My name is Robert Okonnell. I'm a 1733 01:11:50,080 --> 01:11:52,080 Kendall County resident and I oppose the 1734 01:11:52,080 --> 01:11:54,640 flock safety funding. The fourth 1735 01:11:54,640 --> 01:11:56,400 amendment states the right of the people 1736 01:11:56,400 --> 01:11:58,880 to be secure in their persons, houses, 1737 01:11:58,880 --> 01:12:02,960 papers, and effects. I suspect a car is 1738 01:12:02,960 --> 01:12:05,440 in effect against unreasonable searches 1739 01:12:05,440 --> 01:12:08,960 and seizures shall not be violated and 1740 01:12:08,960 --> 01:12:12,159 no warrants shall issue upon prob but 1741 01:12:12,159 --> 01:12:15,360 upon probable cause supported by oath or 1742 01:12:15,360 --> 01:12:18,080 affirmation and particularly describing 1743 01:12:18,080 --> 01:12:21,040 the place to be searched and the persons 1744 01:12:21,040 --> 01:12:23,920 or things to be seized. The fourth 1745 01:12:23,920 --> 01:12:25,840 amendment protects citizens from 1746 01:12:25,840 --> 01:12:28,719 unreasonable searches and seizures by 1747 01:12:28,719 --> 01:12:32,560 government. Warrants must be issued only 1748 01:12:32,560 --> 01:12:36,080 with probable cause and specify both the 1749 01:12:36,080 --> 01:12:38,480 place and place to be searched and the 1750 01:12:38,480 --> 01:12:41,920 things or persons to be seized. So 1751 01:12:41,920 --> 01:12:44,719 questions arise respecting flock safety 1752 01:12:44,719 --> 01:12:46,800 surveillance in the fourth amendment. 1753 01:12:46,800 --> 01:12:51,040 One does a noble purpose become a 1754 01:12:51,040 --> 01:12:53,360 perverse incentive? 1755 01:12:53,360 --> 01:12:59,199 We don't want that happening though the purpose may be noble. Two, since 1756 01:12:59,199 --> 01:13:01,760 government is expressly prohibited from 1757 01:13:01,760 --> 01:13:03,520 unwarranted 1758 01:13:03,520 --> 01:13:05,600 surveillance of citizens, is government 1759 01:13:05,600 --> 01:13:08,560 thus prohibited from hiring private 1760 01:13:08,560 --> 01:13:11,600 agencies to perform such surveillance on 1761 01:13:11,600 --> 01:13:13,760 their behalf? 1762 01:13:13,760 --> 01:13:16,080 Third, does government funded 1763 01:13:16,080 --> 01:13:18,880 surveillance intrude on a reasonable 1764 01:13:18,880 --> 01:13:22,480 expectation of privacy? 1765 01:13:22,480 --> 01:13:26,640 Three. Long-term multilocation tracking. 1766 01:13:26,640 --> 01:13:29,120 Prolonged or comprehensive monitoring 1767 01:13:29,120 --> 01:13:32,320 may constitute unlawful search. The 1768 01:13:32,320 --> 01:13:36,080 Supreme Court has already ruled on uh 1769 01:13:36,080 --> 01:13:39,760 similar uh methods. Extended GPS and 1770 01:13:39,760 --> 01:13:42,640 cell location tracking. This fits into 1771 01:13:42,640 --> 01:13:45,040 that general categorization. 1772 01:13:45,040 --> 01:13:47,679 So, I came to ask the commissioner's 1773 01:13:47,679 --> 01:13:50,560 court to vote no on items 14 and 15 in 1774 01:13:50,560 --> 01:13:52,080 perpetuity. 1775 01:13:52,080 --> 01:13:55,679 uh and uh to and uh also to decline the 1776 01:13:55,679 --> 01:13:57,360 MVCPA 1777 01:13:57,360 --> 01:14:00,159 grant intended to fund flock cameras. 1778 01:14:00,159 --> 01:14:02,080 >> Thank you, sir. 1779 01:14:02,080 --> 01:14:06,560 >> All right. Last call for Gavin Nash. 1780 01:14:06,560 --> 01:14:09,040 Okay. So, we're going to call Adam Lang 1781 01:14:09,040 --> 01:14:16,390 over here and Josh Person over here. 1782 01:14:16,400 --> 01:14:18,239 Is Josh 1783 01:14:18,239 --> 01:14:20,320 person here? 1784 01:14:20,320 --> 01:14:25,280 If not, we're gonna call Dustin Heber. 1785 01:14:25,280 --> 01:14:27,280 All right, floor is yours. 1786 01:14:27,280 --> 01:14:28,880 >> Great. Well, thank you. Uh, my name is 1787 01:14:28,880 --> 01:14:30,480 Adam Lang. I am a Kendall County 1788 01:14:30,480 --> 01:14:32,239 resident. Uh, first I'd like to thank 1789 01:14:32,239 --> 01:14:33,360 Dustin for pulling together that 1790 01:14:33,360 --> 01:14:34,800 petition and bringing all citizens 1791 01:14:34,800 --> 01:14:36,560 together. And I'd like to uh thank 1792 01:14:36,560 --> 01:14:38,400 Commissioner Chapman for responding to 1793 01:14:38,400 --> 01:14:40,800 that petition and and thank you all for 1794 01:14:40,800 --> 01:14:44,000 giving us the time to uh talk to you. I 1795 01:14:44,000 --> 01:14:45,120 was going to make some points about the 1796 01:14:45,120 --> 01:14:47,280 Constitution and all that. Uh, but I I 1797 01:14:47,280 --> 01:14:49,920 want to really just talk about 1798 01:14:49,920 --> 01:14:52,320 I understand where you and the law 1799 01:14:52,320 --> 01:14:54,480 enforcement folks are coming from and 1800 01:14:54,480 --> 01:14:56,640 wanting to protect the citizens of our 1801 01:14:56,640 --> 01:14:59,360 county, right? And I but I think that 1802 01:14:59,360 --> 01:15:02,159 the technology is just I don't think we 1803 01:15:02,159 --> 01:15:04,400 understand it well enough yet to know 1804 01:15:04,400 --> 01:15:06,960 where this is going. And unfortunately, 1805 01:15:06,960 --> 01:15:08,880 having been in the military and uh 1806 01:15:08,880 --> 01:15:10,640 served, you know, in units that are 1807 01:15:10,640 --> 01:15:13,679 associated with u the intel community, 1808 01:15:13,679 --> 01:15:15,600 we have this history of us violating 1809 01:15:15,600 --> 01:15:18,800 these things. We all get annual intel 1810 01:15:18,800 --> 01:15:20,480 oversight training that tells us about 1811 01:15:20,480 --> 01:15:22,000 how we use these military grade 1812 01:15:22,000 --> 01:15:25,520 technologies back in the 70s to violate 1813 01:15:25,520 --> 01:15:27,280 the rights of many of the civil rights 1814 01:15:27,280 --> 01:15:29,600 movements folks. We did that and it's in 1815 01:15:29,600 --> 01:15:31,440 the training that we now have to put 1816 01:15:31,440 --> 01:15:33,360 guard rails and controls in at the 1817 01:15:33,360 --> 01:15:35,520 federal level. We talked earlier, the 1818 01:15:35,520 --> 01:15:37,199 first few folks that talked about this, 1819 01:15:37,199 --> 01:15:38,800 I understand why they want this and they 1820 01:15:38,800 --> 01:15:39,840 promise that they're going to put guard 1821 01:15:39,840 --> 01:15:41,760 rails in. 1822 01:15:41,760 --> 01:15:44,000 The truth is that they just don't have 1823 01:15:44,000 --> 01:15:45,280 those and they don't know how to do 1824 01:15:45,280 --> 01:15:47,520 that. I don't expect the law enforcement 1825 01:15:47,520 --> 01:15:50,000 agencies in Kennel County, Far Ranch, 1826 01:15:50,000 --> 01:15:52,159 our local communities are going to 1827 01:15:52,159 --> 01:15:53,760 probably do anything to violate this. 1828 01:15:53,760 --> 01:15:57,199 But Harris County, Dallas, Ohio, New 1829 01:15:57,199 --> 01:16:00,960 York, they are going to and the the 1830 01:16:00,960 --> 01:16:03,199 company, I don't trust them at all. And 1831 01:16:03,199 --> 01:16:04,960 I I think that we need to understand 1832 01:16:04,960 --> 01:16:06,640 more about the private organization 1833 01:16:06,640 --> 01:16:08,960 that's maintaining this data over who 1834 01:16:08,960 --> 01:16:10,480 knows how long and who they're selling 1835 01:16:10,480 --> 01:16:14,080 that data to, your data, our data. And 1836 01:16:14,080 --> 01:16:16,159 so I I'll just close by saying like I I 1837 01:16:16,159 --> 01:16:17,760 know that you heard the the the points 1838 01:16:17,760 --> 01:16:20,560 made by law enforcement and I think that 1839 01:16:20,560 --> 01:16:22,719 the the voters here are making better 1840 01:16:22,719 --> 01:16:24,880 points. So thank you for your time. 1841 01:16:24,880 --> 01:16:27,040 >> Thank you. 1842 01:16:27,040 --> 01:16:29,360 >> And over here we're going to call Jason 1843 01:16:29,360 --> 01:16:32,320 Carroll. All right. Floor is yours. Good 1844 01:16:32,320 --> 01:16:33,840 morning. Dustin Avery, Kendall County 1845 01:16:33,840 --> 01:16:36,640 resident. We all want to save community, 1846 01:16:36,640 --> 01:16:38,000 but there are moments when government 1847 01:16:38,000 --> 01:16:39,520 has to choose between more power and 1848 01:16:39,520 --> 01:16:41,679 more liberty. And when that choice is 1849 01:16:41,679 --> 01:16:44,400 close, liberty should win. I had 1500 1850 01:16:44,400 --> 01:16:46,000 people signed the petition in about 2 1851 01:16:46,000 --> 01:16:48,640 weeks. Um 900 of them live in this 1852 01:16:48,640 --> 01:16:50,880 county. We're at over 1,800 and over a 1853 01:16:50,880 --> 01:16:53,360 thousand today. Do these cameras help 1854 01:16:53,360 --> 01:16:55,040 solve crimes? Absolutely. Those stories 1855 01:16:55,040 --> 01:16:56,400 that were mentioned early earlier 1856 01:16:56,400 --> 01:16:59,840 matter. But public safety cannot come 1857 01:16:59,840 --> 01:17:01,199 become a blank check for mass 1858 01:17:01,199 --> 01:17:03,760 surveillance. As of this morning, in the 1859 01:17:03,760 --> 01:17:06,080 last 30 days, uh according to the Flock 1860 01:17:06,080 --> 01:17:09,199 Kendall County portal, uh the cameras 1861 01:17:09,199 --> 01:17:12,080 have photographed 545,000 unique 1862 01:17:12,080 --> 01:17:14,560 vehicles. We only have 47,000 people 1863 01:17:14,560 --> 01:17:16,800 that live here. That's not just 1864 01:17:16,800 --> 01:17:18,480 criminals. That's everybody living their 1865 01:17:18,480 --> 01:17:21,440 lives. No warrant, no probable cause, no 1866 01:17:21,440 --> 01:17:23,920 suspicion. Just collect it all. And look 1867 01:17:23,920 --> 01:17:26,480 at the business model. The county's own 1868 01:17:26,480 --> 01:17:28,880 paperwork calls this a lease agreement. 1869 01:17:28,880 --> 01:17:31,920 So, us taxpayers are funding it. The 1870 01:17:31,920 --> 01:17:34,719 private company owns the equipment. Um, 1871 01:17:34,719 --> 01:17:36,480 and we're generating the data. It's a 1872 01:17:36,480 --> 01:17:37,679 hell of a business model, but it's not 1873 01:17:37,679 --> 01:17:40,080 one for Kimmel County. The bigger 1874 01:17:40,080 --> 01:17:41,360 question is this. Does safety 1875 01:17:41,360 --> 01:17:43,199 automatically outweigh privacy every 1876 01:17:43,199 --> 01:17:45,920 time somebody invents a new technology? 1877 01:17:45,920 --> 01:17:47,520 There will always be another crime that 1878 01:17:47,520 --> 01:17:50,159 might be solved um that another camera 1879 01:17:50,159 --> 01:17:51,600 could help, another piece of technology 1880 01:17:51,600 --> 01:17:53,360 can help. 1881 01:17:53,360 --> 01:17:55,840 Constitution was designed to protect the 1882 01:17:55,840 --> 01:17:57,920 people from government power before the 1883 01:17:57,920 --> 01:18:00,320 power was abused, not provide a remedy 1884 01:18:00,320 --> 01:18:02,480 afterward. I don't believe anybody in 1885 01:18:02,480 --> 01:18:04,560 this room wants a surveillance state. 1886 01:18:04,560 --> 01:18:06,640 That's not the point. 1887 01:18:06,640 --> 01:18:08,239 Our constitutional system was not 1888 01:18:08,239 --> 01:18:09,840 designed around the intentions of the 1889 01:18:09,840 --> 01:18:11,679 people in power today. It's about the 1890 01:18:11,679 --> 01:18:14,159 people that's come in power tomorrow. 1891 01:18:14,159 --> 01:18:16,000 And this is how the power grows. one 1892 01:18:16,000 --> 01:18:19,280 camera, one grant, another database 1893 01:18:19,280 --> 01:18:21,360 until surveillance becomes the price of 1894 01:18:21,360 --> 01:18:23,520 leaving your driveway. So, let's draw 1895 01:18:23,520 --> 01:18:25,679 the line here. We don't need citizens 1896 01:18:25,679 --> 01:18:28,640 cutting cameras off polls like it has in 1897 01:18:28,640 --> 01:18:30,560 surrounding counties. We need elected 1898 01:18:30,560 --> 01:18:32,960 officials willing to take them down. 1899 01:18:32,960 --> 01:18:34,800 Vote no in this year's uh next year's 1900 01:18:34,800 --> 01:18:36,239 agreement. Vote no on the grant. And 1901 01:18:36,239 --> 01:18:37,840 when we're out, stay out. Don't bring it 1902 01:18:37,840 --> 01:18:40,640 back under anything else. 1903 01:18:40,640 --> 01:18:41,679 >> Thank you for your time. 1904 01:18:41,679 --> 01:18:42,480 >> Thank you. 1905 01:18:42,480 --> 01:18:44,719 >> All right. And last but not least, 1906 01:18:44,719 --> 01:18:45,679 you're up. 1907 01:18:45,679 --> 01:18:47,360 >> Judge commissioners. My name is Jason 1908 01:18:47,360 --> 01:18:50,080 Carroll, a resident of Kendall County. I 1909 01:18:50,080 --> 01:18:52,640 have founded multiple AI companies and I 1910 01:18:52,640 --> 01:18:54,880 serve as an AI adviser for multiple 1911 01:18:54,880 --> 01:18:56,640 organizations. So, I'm not here as 1912 01:18:56,640 --> 01:18:59,120 someone scared of technology. I'm here 1913 01:18:59,120 --> 01:19:01,040 as someone who knows exactly what it can 1914 01:19:01,040 --> 01:19:03,760 do and where it can break. In fact, a 1915 01:19:03,760 --> 01:19:05,520 few weeks ago, I was issued a citation 1916 01:19:05,520 --> 01:19:07,360 for something I didn't do in a 1917 01:19:07,360 --> 01:19:09,520 California city that I've never been to. 1918 01:19:09,520 --> 01:19:11,199 Uh, it took hours before a human would 1919 01:19:11,199 --> 01:19:13,840 ever even look at the footage. I got a 1920 01:19:13,840 --> 01:19:15,760 ticket, but as we've heard today from 1921 01:19:15,760 --> 01:19:17,440 constituents, others are getting far 1922 01:19:17,440 --> 01:19:20,320 worse. We heard earlier that flock usage 1923 01:19:20,320 --> 01:19:23,280 is audited as if that's supposed to give 1924 01:19:23,280 --> 01:19:24,800 us comfort. But the number of these 1925 01:19:24,800 --> 01:19:26,800 types of stories 1926 01:19:26,800 --> 01:19:28,800 uh uh that we've heard already and of 1927 01:19:28,800 --> 01:19:32,080 abuse are growing rapidly. And when the 1928 01:19:32,080 --> 01:19:34,159 machine is wrong, the burden doesn't 1929 01:19:34,159 --> 01:19:37,199 disappear. It shifts to the innocent 1930 01:19:37,199 --> 01:19:40,719 person. And that's backwards, isn't it? 1931 01:19:40,719 --> 01:19:42,159 Here's why that matters for Kendall 1932 01:19:42,159 --> 01:19:44,400 County. I don't walk my bike up at the 1933 01:19:44,400 --> 01:19:47,600 gym. My very attractive wife walks at 1934 01:19:47,600 --> 01:19:49,600 night without looking over her shoulder. 1935 01:19:49,600 --> 01:19:51,840 We're a safe town with no signs of that 1936 01:19:51,840 --> 01:19:54,080 changing. And that safety didn't come 1937 01:19:54,080 --> 01:19:56,560 from cameras. It came from our wonderful 1938 01:19:56,560 --> 01:19:58,400 law enforcement officers. It came from 1939 01:19:58,400 --> 01:20:01,120 our neighbors. And once we decide that a 1940 01:20:01,120 --> 01:20:03,360 camera can do that job, we're quietly 1941 01:20:03,360 --> 01:20:06,800 inviting our neighbors to stop doing it. 1942 01:20:06,800 --> 01:20:09,440 So, here's my ask. Don't renew this 1943 01:20:09,440 --> 01:20:12,080 contract. Follow Bandaraa County, Hood 1944 01:20:12,080 --> 01:20:14,000 County, Hayes County, and the dozens of 1945 01:20:14,000 --> 01:20:15,440 jurisdictions nationwide that have 1946 01:20:15,440 --> 01:20:16,880 canceled or rejected these contracts 1947 01:20:16,880 --> 01:20:18,880 since January. 1948 01:20:18,880 --> 01:20:21,760 Earlier, we heard that one day something 1949 01:20:21,760 --> 01:20:24,480 might happen and that without flock, 1950 01:20:24,480 --> 01:20:27,520 it's open season for criminals. But that 1951 01:20:27,520 --> 01:20:29,679 is not our current reality. We can 1952 01:20:29,679 --> 01:20:32,320 always add cameras back later. In fact, 1953 01:20:32,320 --> 01:20:34,159 you could probably hire me to build a 1954 01:20:34,159 --> 01:20:36,400 more creative, safe solution here in the 1955 01:20:36,400 --> 01:20:38,239 county. 1956 01:20:38,239 --> 01:20:40,719 But we cannot add back the kind of town 1957 01:20:40,719 --> 01:20:42,400 that never needed these cameras to begin 1958 01:20:42,400 --> 01:20:43,120 with. 1959 01:20:43,120 --> 01:20:43,920 >> Thank you. 1960 01:20:43,920 --> 01:20:46,480 for those comments. 1961 01:20:46,480 --> 01:20:48,880 >> I want to commend you all for the 1962 01:20:48,880 --> 01:20:52,320 spirited yet respectful debate. Did you 1963 01:20:52,320 --> 01:20:55,679 submit a comment? You All right. Last, 1964 01:20:55,679 --> 01:20:59,440 Could you just announce your name and 1965 01:20:59,440 --> 01:21:00,480 >> Thank you, chairman. Thank you, 1966 01:21:00,480 --> 01:21:01,920 commissioners. Good morning. My name is 1967 01:21:01,920 --> 01:21:03,760 Heather Vessie. I'm a Kendall County 1968 01:21:03,760 --> 01:21:06,000 taxpayer. I am asking that you vote no 1969 01:21:06,000 --> 01:21:09,120 on items 14 and 15. I do not consent. I 1970 01:21:09,120 --> 01:21:10,320 do want to let you know that I 1971 01:21:10,320 --> 01:21:12,640 absolutely support and respect our law 1972 01:21:12,640 --> 01:21:14,960 enforcement. Block cameras threaten our 1973 01:21:14,960 --> 01:21:17,280 right to privacy. This technology is 1974 01:21:17,280 --> 01:21:18,640 tracking our movement without our 1975 01:21:18,640 --> 01:21:20,400 knowledge and consent. These are 1976 01:21:20,400 --> 01:21:23,600 promoted as tools for our safety. 1977 01:21:23,600 --> 01:21:25,199 But what it really is doing is giving 1978 01:21:25,199 --> 01:21:26,640 the government and law enforcement the 1979 01:21:26,640 --> 01:21:28,400 ability to monitor innocent people's 1980 01:21:28,400 --> 01:21:30,800 movement on such a huge scale. This 1981 01:21:30,800 --> 01:21:32,719 creates serious concerns on how that 1982 01:21:32,719 --> 01:21:34,960 information should be stored, shared or 1983 01:21:34,960 --> 01:21:37,520 misused. We shouldn't be we should be 1984 01:21:37,520 --> 01:21:39,040 able to live our lives without creating 1985 01:21:39,040 --> 01:21:41,440 a permanent record of our daily lives. 1986 01:21:41,440 --> 01:21:43,199 In my opinion, this is government 1987 01:21:43,199 --> 01:21:45,040 overreach and this violates our civil 1988 01:21:45,040 --> 01:21:47,199 liberties. Safety is absolutely 1989 01:21:47,199 --> 01:21:48,880 important, but not at the cost of our 1990 01:21:48,880 --> 01:21:51,199 privacy and our freedoms. For this, I 1991 01:21:51,199 --> 01:21:53,120 ask that you vote no on renewing the 1992 01:21:53,120 --> 01:21:55,120 Kendall County flock contract. Thank 1993 01:21:55,120 --> 01:21:55,760 you. 1994 01:21:55,760 --> 01:21:57,120 >> Thank you. 1995 01:21:57,120 --> 01:21:58,880 >> All right. Did I miss anyone that would 1996 01:21:58,880 --> 01:22:01,360 like to speak? 1997 01:22:01,360 --> 01:22:04,239 Okay. All right. Again, I'd like to 1998 01:22:04,239 --> 01:22:06,239 thank you all for your spirited yet 1999 01:22:06,239 --> 01:22:08,960 respectful debate. That's all what this 2000 01:22:08,960 --> 01:22:12,159 um this court's about. So, I'll kick us 2001 01:22:12,159 --> 01:22:13,920 out kick us off. I'm going to be short 2002 01:22:13,920 --> 01:22:16,320 and sweet. So, my background includes 2003 01:22:16,320 --> 01:22:18,320 serving as a military prosecutor for 10 2004 01:22:18,320 --> 01:22:19,840 years. So, I know the value of 2005 01:22:19,840 --> 01:22:22,880 technology and solving crimes. However, 2006 01:22:22,880 --> 01:22:25,120 Flock has lost the faith and trust of 2007 01:22:25,120 --> 01:22:27,520 communities across the country and 2008 01:22:27,520 --> 01:22:29,920 including, in my opinion, Kendall 2009 01:22:29,920 --> 01:22:32,159 County. And so, as a result, I can no 2010 01:22:32,159 --> 01:22:33,600 longer support Flock's presence in 2011 01:22:33,600 --> 01:22:35,199 Kendall County until that trust is 2012 01:22:35,199 --> 01:22:36,960 restored. So, with that, I'm going to 2013 01:22:36,960 --> 01:22:38,080 hand it over to my colleagues. 2014 01:22:38,080 --> 01:22:38,800 Commissioner Re, 2015 01:22:38,800 --> 01:22:40,800 >> I'd love to jump in. Okay. Thank you 2016 01:22:40,800 --> 01:22:42,400 everyone for being here and your time 2017 01:22:42,400 --> 01:22:44,800 this morning. So, 2018 01:22:44,800 --> 01:22:46,480 think about walking outside and your car 2019 01:22:46,480 --> 01:22:48,880 is gone or you're a parent and your 2020 01:22:48,880 --> 01:22:50,159 daughter hasn't come home and you're 2021 01:22:50,159 --> 01:22:51,679 scared to death and every minute feels 2022 01:22:51,679 --> 01:22:54,000 like an hour. And so, in those moments, 2023 01:22:54,000 --> 01:22:55,760 you want law enforcement to have the 2024 01:22:55,760 --> 01:22:57,760 very best tools available. And we've 2025 01:22:57,760 --> 01:22:59,199 heard from the sheriff's office and the 2026 01:22:59,199 --> 01:23:01,360 district attorney that it works, that 2027 01:23:01,360 --> 01:23:03,760 these cameras help catch bad guys and 2028 01:23:03,760 --> 01:23:05,840 recover stolen property and find missing 2029 01:23:05,840 --> 01:23:08,800 people. And those results matter to me. 2030 01:23:08,800 --> 01:23:10,719 I wanted to support this technology from 2031 01:23:10,719 --> 01:23:12,719 the beginning, but I believe that 2032 01:23:12,719 --> 01:23:14,000 something this powerful needed 2033 01:23:14,000 --> 01:23:15,840 guardrails. And so I asked the sheriff's 2034 01:23:15,840 --> 01:23:18,080 office for a written policy governing 2035 01:23:18,080 --> 01:23:19,920 the use and to make that public on the 2036 01:23:19,920 --> 01:23:21,679 website. And they did. And I thank the 2037 01:23:21,679 --> 01:23:23,679 sheriff and the and his staff for taking 2038 01:23:23,679 --> 01:23:26,080 those concerns seriously. But the more 2039 01:23:26,080 --> 01:23:28,719 I've learned, the more I've come to 2040 01:23:28,719 --> 01:23:30,719 consider three things: trust, control, 2041 01:23:30,719 --> 01:23:32,639 and liberty. And I trust our sheriff. 2042 01:23:32,639 --> 01:23:35,120 But our policy ends where our authority 2043 01:23:35,120 --> 01:23:37,600 ends. Flock isn't just a camera besides 2044 01:23:37,600 --> 01:23:39,920 the road reading a license plate. That 2045 01:23:39,920 --> 01:23:42,560 information becomes much part a bigger 2046 01:23:42,560 --> 01:23:44,560 part of a larger network. That's what 2047 01:23:44,560 --> 01:23:47,040 makes Flock so useful. And that's also 2048 01:23:47,040 --> 01:23:49,520 what concerns me. We can control our 2049 01:23:49,520 --> 01:23:51,600 sheriff's office, but we cannot control 2050 01:23:51,600 --> 01:23:53,920 every outside user, every future 2051 01:23:53,920 --> 01:23:56,800 decision by a private company or 2052 01:23:56,800 --> 01:23:58,639 everyone who may try to get into that 2053 01:23:58,639 --> 01:24:00,880 system. and independent security 2054 01:24:00,880 --> 01:24:03,040 researchers have already documented 2055 01:24:03,040 --> 01:24:06,080 these security exposures in flocks own 2056 01:24:06,080 --> 01:24:08,320 cameras and they do see more than just a 2057 01:24:08,320 --> 01:24:10,560 license plate. And then there's Liberty. 2058 01:24:10,560 --> 01:24:12,719 Yes, cameras are everywhere. Amazon 2059 01:24:12,719 --> 01:24:14,719 trucks have them, tow trucks have them, 2060 01:24:14,719 --> 01:24:16,639 Walmart has them, but there's a 2061 01:24:16,639 --> 01:24:18,159 difference. I choose to walk into 2062 01:24:18,159 --> 01:24:20,239 Walmart and Walmart bought those cameras 2063 01:24:20,239 --> 01:24:22,880 with Walmart's money. Here, government 2064 01:24:22,880 --> 01:24:25,679 is collecting information and even when 2065 01:24:25,679 --> 01:24:27,679 we're using grant money, grant money is 2066 01:24:27,679 --> 01:24:29,840 taxpayer money. So, of course, someone 2067 01:24:29,840 --> 01:24:31,360 standing beside the highway can see your 2068 01:24:31,360 --> 01:24:33,120 car go by, but there's a difference 2069 01:24:33,120 --> 01:24:35,920 between being seen and being tracked. 2070 01:24:35,920 --> 01:24:38,000 Technology will only get faster, 2071 01:24:38,000 --> 01:24:41,120 smarter, and more connected. Technology 2072 01:24:41,120 --> 01:24:43,440 doesn't have a conscience, but we do. 2073 01:24:43,440 --> 01:24:45,360 The question isn't whether flock works. 2074 01:24:45,360 --> 01:24:47,520 It does. The question is how much 2075 01:24:47,520 --> 01:24:50,080 information government should collect 2076 01:24:50,080 --> 01:24:52,480 about people who haven't done anything 2077 01:24:52,480 --> 01:24:55,280 wrong and how much risk we're willing to 2078 01:24:55,280 --> 01:24:57,360 create by collecting that information. 2079 01:24:57,360 --> 01:24:58,800 Because most people passing these 2080 01:24:58,800 --> 01:25:00,719 cameras aren't criminals. They're the 2081 01:25:00,719 --> 01:25:02,560 mom taking her child to school, the 2082 01:25:02,560 --> 01:25:04,239 rancher checking a gate, your neighbor 2083 01:25:04,239 --> 01:25:06,960 driving to town. It's you. You shouldn't 2084 01:25:06,960 --> 01:25:10,000 have to worry who might someday might be 2085 01:25:10,000 --> 01:25:11,840 able to find out where you've been. 2086 01:25:11,840 --> 01:25:13,920 Government should be responsible for 2087 01:25:13,920 --> 01:25:15,520 making sure that information is 2088 01:25:15,520 --> 01:25:17,920 protected. I don't think that we can. 2089 01:25:17,920 --> 01:25:19,440 And for me, that's where the balance 2090 01:25:19,440 --> 01:25:20,400 tips. 2091 01:25:20,400 --> 01:25:23,360 >> And Commissioner McConn. 2092 01:25:23,360 --> 01:25:25,440 >> Yes, ma'am. We actually didn't allow the 2093 01:25:25,440 --> 01:25:27,199 sheriff's the sheriff or the sheriff's 2094 01:25:27,199 --> 01:25:29,199 department to finish speaking um before 2095 01:25:29,199 --> 01:25:30,639 they only thing they talked about was 2096 01:25:30,639 --> 01:25:32,400 the grant for the first contract. 2097 01:25:32,400 --> 01:25:33,520 >> Okay. I'm going to give them an 2098 01:25:33,520 --> 01:25:34,000 opportunity. 2099 01:25:34,000 --> 01:25:35,120 >> I was I was wondering if the 2100 01:25:35,120 --> 01:25:36,320 commissioners would like to hear them 2101 01:25:36,320 --> 01:25:38,400 before they share their thoughts in case 2102 01:25:38,400 --> 01:25:40,000 the sheriff's comments might change 2103 01:25:40,000 --> 01:25:40,719 their mind. 2104 01:25:40,719 --> 01:25:43,760 >> Okay. All right. Uh 2105 01:25:43,760 --> 01:25:45,120 sure. 2106 01:25:45,120 --> 01:25:47,040 >> Thank you, judge. Thank you court. Thank 2107 01:25:47,040 --> 01:25:49,360 you councel for for that little bit 2108 01:25:49,360 --> 01:25:50,880 there. 2109 01:25:50,880 --> 01:25:53,120 So, 2110 01:25:53,120 --> 01:25:55,760 I'm going to take some time here and I 2111 01:25:55,760 --> 01:25:58,400 want to look at this holistically 2112 01:25:58,400 --> 01:26:01,600 and I hope that you will be open-minded 2113 01:26:01,600 --> 01:26:04,239 and hear what I have to say and then 2114 01:26:04,239 --> 01:26:07,120 make a well 2115 01:26:07,120 --> 01:26:10,000 um 2116 01:26:10,000 --> 01:26:12,560 educated understanding and a decision 2117 01:26:12,560 --> 01:26:15,040 based on the whole picture of what I'm 2118 01:26:15,040 --> 01:26:18,560 about to present to you. First of all, I 2119 01:26:18,560 --> 01:26:21,280 want to say this. I don't consider this 2120 01:26:21,280 --> 01:26:24,000 a threat against law enforcement. 2121 01:26:24,000 --> 01:26:28,000 I just say I hear you 2122 01:26:28,000 --> 01:26:32,000 and I agree with you 2123 01:26:32,000 --> 01:26:36,000 almost everything that you say. 2124 01:26:36,000 --> 01:26:38,000 But hear me out. Give me my opportunity 2125 01:26:38,000 --> 01:26:41,120 as well, please. 2126 01:26:41,120 --> 01:26:45,440 That's all I ask. Fairness. 2127 01:26:45,440 --> 01:26:47,440 Because I'm going to address pretty much 2128 01:26:47,440 --> 01:26:49,920 everything that's been stated. 2129 01:26:49,920 --> 01:26:52,400 Let me say something else about 2130 01:26:52,400 --> 01:26:55,990 everybody here. 2131 01:26:56,000 --> 01:27:01,040 I brag about you everywhere I go. 2132 01:27:01,040 --> 01:27:03,920 This community 2133 01:27:03,920 --> 01:27:05,920 second to none. 2134 01:27:05,920 --> 01:27:09,440 And I am proud and I'm honored to serve 2135 01:27:09,440 --> 01:27:12,480 in the capacity of what I do. 2136 01:27:12,480 --> 01:27:14,159 And I know this is not a personal attack 2137 01:27:14,159 --> 01:27:16,719 on me and I appreciate that. I have had 2138 01:27:16,719 --> 01:27:21,040 great conversation with many of you. 2139 01:27:21,040 --> 01:27:25,040 I haven't changed your mind. 2140 01:27:25,040 --> 01:27:27,600 You haven't changed my mind. And I'm 2141 01:27:27,600 --> 01:27:29,280 fixing to express why you haven't 2142 01:27:29,280 --> 01:27:31,840 changed my mind. Allow me the 2143 01:27:31,840 --> 01:27:34,320 opportunity, please. 2144 01:27:34,320 --> 01:27:36,880 It's going to take a minute, 2145 01:27:36,880 --> 01:27:41,830 but I think it's deserved. 2146 01:27:41,840 --> 01:27:44,480 So, thank you. and thank you for the 2147 01:27:44,480 --> 01:27:47,280 type of people that you are because you 2148 01:27:47,280 --> 01:27:48,800 are what makes this community what it 2149 01:27:48,800 --> 01:27:58,629 is. Thank you. 2150 01:27:58,639 --> 01:28:02,639 I have a presentation slide 2151 01:28:02,639 --> 01:28:04,320 presentation. 2152 01:28:04,320 --> 01:28:09,110 Um 2153 01:28:09,120 --> 01:28:11,199 » can I say something real brief? 2154 01:28:11,199 --> 01:28:13,520 >> Yes. the the the grant that that we're 2155 01:28:13,520 --> 01:28:17,920 talking about was from the sheriff's office and this 2156 01:28:17,920 --> 01:28:21,360 is his item. So, he has an opportunity 2157 01:28:21,360 --> 01:28:23,920 to talk more than just three minutes. 2158 01:28:23,920 --> 01:28:24,560 >> Thank you. 2159 01:28:24,560 --> 01:28:25,760 >> Are you Are you ready? 2160 01:28:25,760 --> 01:28:26,480 >> I am ready. 2161 01:28:26,480 --> 01:28:27,040 >> Okay. 2162 01:28:27,040 --> 01:28:27,679 >> Are y'all ready, 2163 01:28:27,679 --> 01:28:29,040 >> James? Are you ready? 2164 01:28:29,040 --> 01:28:34,709 >> I need slide number one, please. 2165 01:28:34,719 --> 01:28:37,760 Okay. This is going to be about the 2166 01:28:37,760 --> 01:28:40,000 automated license plate readers, the 2167 01:28:40,000 --> 01:28:42,239 ALPRs. 2168 01:28:42,239 --> 01:28:46,709 Presentation of this presentation 2169 01:28:46,719 --> 01:28:48,800 is about what the technology actually 2170 01:28:48,800 --> 01:28:50,719 does, 2171 01:28:50,719 --> 01:28:56,390 what the law actually says, 2172 01:28:56,400 --> 01:28:59,760 and what limits should be used to govern 2173 01:28:59,760 --> 01:29:02,880 its uses. 2174 01:29:02,880 --> 01:29:09,910 Slide number two, please. 2175 01:29:09,920 --> 01:29:11,760 I want to address the concerns being 2176 01:29:11,760 --> 01:29:14,480 raised regarding automatic license plate 2177 01:29:14,480 --> 01:29:17,679 readers or the ALPRS. 2178 01:29:17,679 --> 01:29:19,920 This discussion deserves facts rather 2179 01:29:19,920 --> 01:29:23,600 than fear from either my side or the 2180 01:29:23,600 --> 01:29:26,000 opposing side. It needs to be based on 2181 01:29:26,000 --> 01:29:31,510 truth and facts. 2182 01:29:31,520 --> 01:29:35,199 I believe strongly in public safety. 2183 01:29:35,199 --> 01:29:37,520 I also believe strongly in the fourth 2184 01:29:37,520 --> 01:29:39,440 amendment, 2185 01:29:39,440 --> 01:29:43,040 individual liberty, limited government, 2186 01:29:43,040 --> 01:29:46,639 and accountability for law enforcement. 2187 01:29:46,639 --> 01:29:49,120 Those principles are not mutually 2188 01:29:49,120 --> 01:29:52,870 exclusive. 2189 01:29:52,880 --> 01:29:56,400 Slide three, please. 2190 01:29:56,400 --> 01:29:58,159 These are questions as a court you need 2191 01:29:58,159 --> 01:30:00,159 to ask yourself 2192 01:30:00,159 --> 01:30:05,750 and I hope you take these seriously. 2193 01:30:05,760 --> 01:30:08,719 Is it lawful? 2194 01:30:08,719 --> 01:30:11,120 Does it serve a legitimate public safety 2195 01:30:11,120 --> 01:30:13,840 purpose? 2196 01:30:13,840 --> 01:30:16,800 What does it collect? 2197 01:30:16,800 --> 01:30:20,560 What safeguards govern it? And what 2198 01:30:20,560 --> 01:30:32,149 happens when somebody abuses it? Those 2199 01:30:32,159 --> 01:30:34,639 questions are more than useful than 2200 01:30:34,639 --> 01:30:37,920 treating technology itself as either 2201 01:30:37,920 --> 01:30:43,990 automatically good or automatically bad. 2202 01:30:44,000 --> 01:30:48,480 Next slide, please. Slide four. 2203 01:30:48,480 --> 01:30:51,760 This is larger 2204 01:30:51,760 --> 01:30:55,679 than flock safety. 2205 01:30:55,679 --> 01:30:57,760 ALPR 2206 01:30:57,760 --> 01:31:01,360 technology. Slide five, please. 2207 01:31:01,360 --> 01:31:02,800 Hope everybody has a chance to read some 2208 01:31:02,800 --> 01:31:04,719 of these. 2209 01:31:04,719 --> 01:31:08,400 ALPR technology 2210 01:31:08,400 --> 01:31:11,199 predates Flock and has been used for 2211 01:31:11,199 --> 01:31:13,040 years, decades by federal, state, and 2212 01:31:13,040 --> 01:31:15,120 local law enforcement through fixed 2213 01:31:15,120 --> 01:31:17,679 cameras, mobile systems, and public 2214 01:31:17,679 --> 01:31:20,719 private camera networks. Block is one 2215 01:31:20,719 --> 01:31:22,400 vendor. 2216 01:31:22,400 --> 01:31:24,239 The underlying technology is about 2217 01:31:24,239 --> 01:31:28,480 automated license plate recognition. 2218 01:31:28,480 --> 01:31:31,199 There are several other vendors that are 2219 01:31:31,199 --> 01:31:33,920 used throughout the country. 2220 01:31:33,920 --> 01:31:35,679 So that you know that this is nothing 2221 01:31:35,679 --> 01:31:37,760 new. This technology has been around for 2222 01:31:37,760 --> 01:31:40,560 decades, almost 50 years. It was brought 2223 01:31:40,560 --> 01:31:42,560 to the United States about 20ome years 2224 01:31:42,560 --> 01:31:46,560 ago and it's now being used in in in a 2225 01:31:46,560 --> 01:31:47,679 way that's being used in law 2226 01:31:47,679 --> 01:31:49,679 enforcement. So it's been given a lot of 2227 01:31:49,679 --> 01:31:52,080 recognition and a lot of concern, 2228 01:31:52,080 --> 01:31:55,669 rightful concern. 2229 01:31:55,679 --> 01:32:03,590 Next slide, please. 2230 01:32:03,600 --> 01:32:06,639 Go back one slide, please. 2231 01:32:06,639 --> 01:32:09,760 What the ALPR automates. 2232 01:32:09,760 --> 01:32:11,679 At the most basic level, the ALPR 2233 01:32:11,679 --> 01:32:13,199 automates what an officer could 2234 01:32:13,199 --> 01:32:16,320 historically observe with his or eyes on 2235 01:32:16,320 --> 01:32:18,560 a public roadway, a vehicle, its 2236 01:32:18,560 --> 01:32:20,960 publicly displayed plates and exterior, 2237 01:32:20,960 --> 01:32:23,360 where it was seen, when it was seen, and 2238 01:32:23,360 --> 01:32:25,679 whether the plate matched the legitimate 2239 01:32:25,679 --> 01:32:28,560 law enforcement information. Technology 2240 01:32:28,560 --> 01:32:31,120 simply makes this process substantially 2241 01:32:31,120 --> 01:32:33,280 faster. 2242 01:32:33,280 --> 01:32:35,840 Next slide, please. The distinction 2243 01:32:35,840 --> 01:32:38,560 matters. 2244 01:32:38,560 --> 01:32:42,000 The speed and searchability 2245 01:32:42,000 --> 01:32:43,920 or the operational difference a human 2246 01:32:43,920 --> 01:32:46,639 officer, a patrol officer cannot stand 2247 01:32:46,639 --> 01:32:49,520 at a dozen different roadways around the 2248 01:32:49,520 --> 01:32:51,600 clock and later remember every vehicle 2249 01:32:51,600 --> 01:32:54,960 that passed by. 2250 01:32:54,960 --> 01:32:57,920 That increased capability is why is why 2251 01:32:57,920 --> 01:33:00,400 both public safety value and the 2252 01:33:00,400 --> 01:33:06,149 safeguards deserve serious attention. 2253 01:33:06,159 --> 01:33:11,270 Next slide. 2254 01:33:11,280 --> 01:33:15,440 What does a flock camera actually 2255 01:33:15,440 --> 01:33:19,669 collect? Next slide. 2256 01:33:19,679 --> 01:33:21,120 It's been mentioned here about the 2257 01:33:21,120 --> 01:33:22,880 technology and I'm telling you all that 2258 01:33:22,880 --> 01:33:26,560 technology already exists. 2259 01:33:26,560 --> 01:33:32,070 A flock ALPR 2260 01:33:32,080 --> 01:33:34,560 license plate reader is not a cell phone 2261 01:33:34,560 --> 01:33:36,080 tracker. 2262 01:33:36,080 --> 01:33:38,320 It does not extract drivers cell phone 2263 01:33:38,320 --> 01:33:41,920 information, texts, calls, contacts, or 2264 01:33:41,920 --> 01:33:44,960 internet activity. The ALPR product does 2265 01:33:44,960 --> 01:33:47,760 not use facial recognition to identify 2266 01:33:47,760 --> 01:33:50,639 motorists. 2267 01:33:50,639 --> 01:33:53,040 Flock's published LPR data definition 2268 01:33:53,040 --> 01:33:55,360 does not include Bluetooth identifiers, 2269 01:33:55,360 --> 01:33:58,480 Wi-Fi identifiers, and intercepted radio 2270 01:33:58,480 --> 01:34:00,880 frequency communication. 2271 01:34:00,880 --> 01:34:02,880 I spoke with a local business person 2272 01:34:02,880 --> 01:34:05,520 about a couple of weeks ago. They have a 2273 01:34:05,520 --> 01:34:08,560 system that does exactly all of that. 2274 01:34:08,560 --> 01:34:11,199 Why does he have that? He has it for the 2275 01:34:11,199 --> 01:34:12,960 same reason Walmarts have them. The Home 2276 01:34:12,960 --> 01:34:16,880 Depots have them, themies have them, why 2277 01:34:16,880 --> 01:34:20,000 big markets have them, so that so that 2278 01:34:20,000 --> 01:34:22,400 they can know how to market their 2279 01:34:22,400 --> 01:34:23,760 products better and increase their 2280 01:34:23,760 --> 01:34:25,679 profit margins. It's for the commercial 2281 01:34:25,679 --> 01:34:29,040 aspect of things. It exists. There is 2282 01:34:29,040 --> 01:34:31,120 technology you can drive by and it will 2283 01:34:31,120 --> 01:34:33,040 take everything in your car, your 2284 01:34:33,040 --> 01:34:34,560 smartwatch, 2285 01:34:34,560 --> 01:34:36,800 your Wi-Fi you might be using, whatever 2286 01:34:36,800 --> 01:34:39,520 tablet you have activated, your cell 2287 01:34:39,520 --> 01:34:42,880 phone, your infotainment system in your 2288 01:34:42,880 --> 01:34:44,480 vehicle, 2289 01:34:44,480 --> 01:34:48,320 all that data can be retrieved. 2290 01:34:48,320 --> 01:34:50,880 It exists. 2291 01:34:50,880 --> 01:34:54,880 The Flock ALPR camera is not capable of 2292 01:34:54,880 --> 01:34:59,110 any of that. 2293 01:34:59,120 --> 01:35:04,390 Next slide, please. 2294 01:35:04,400 --> 01:35:06,560 A typical AOPR 2295 01:35:06,560 --> 01:35:08,320 record can include the license plate 2296 01:35:08,320 --> 01:35:11,280 image, a vehicle image, a plate number, 2297 01:35:11,280 --> 01:35:15,040 the state, physical vehicle cir uh uh 2298 01:35:15,040 --> 01:35:17,199 characteristics such as the make and 2299 01:35:17,199 --> 01:35:19,520 color, the date and time, and the camera 2300 01:35:19,520 --> 01:35:22,480 location. That's it. 2301 01:35:22,480 --> 01:35:25,679 at that point in time. That's what it 2302 01:35:25,679 --> 01:35:30,070 records. 2303 01:35:30,080 --> 01:35:33,040 This is a vehicle centered information. 2304 01:35:33,040 --> 01:35:35,760 It is not a person identification 2305 01:35:35,760 --> 01:35:38,159 record. 2306 01:35:38,159 --> 01:35:42,310 Slide please. 2307 01:35:42,320 --> 01:35:45,600 Still images are not continuous 2308 01:35:45,600 --> 01:35:48,880 surveillance video. The ALPR system 2309 01:35:48,880 --> 01:35:51,199 takes still vehicle images rather than 2310 01:35:51,199 --> 01:35:53,520 continuously recording traditional 2311 01:35:53,520 --> 01:35:56,159 surveillance video. Software converts 2312 01:35:56,159 --> 01:35:59,199 the web uh the physical vehicle 2313 01:35:59,199 --> 01:36:02,639 information into searchable data. The 2314 01:36:02,639 --> 01:36:06,239 system uh the system's value is in those 2315 01:36:06,239 --> 01:36:10,080 discrete timestamped observations. 2316 01:36:10,080 --> 01:36:11,760 One of the things where AI is used in 2317 01:36:11,760 --> 01:36:14,400 these cameras is to not only identify 2318 01:36:14,400 --> 01:36:16,880 the make color model which is captured 2319 01:36:16,880 --> 01:36:30,790 on a photo but um excuse me. 2320 01:36:30,800 --> 01:36:32,560 It can take down characteristics for 2321 01:36:32,560 --> 01:36:34,400 those circumstances of which there may 2322 01:36:34,400 --> 01:36:37,600 not be an a license plate available when 2323 01:36:37,600 --> 01:36:39,360 somebody needs to search those certain 2324 01:36:39,360 --> 01:36:41,040 characteristics 2325 01:36:41,040 --> 01:36:43,679 as mentioned earlier uh by somebody. It 2326 01:36:43,679 --> 01:36:46,159 was a partial license plate or is a dark 2327 01:36:46,159 --> 01:36:48,480 SUV or a pickup truck, a white Ford 2328 01:36:48,480 --> 01:36:50,239 pickup of truck. You might be able to 2329 01:36:50,239 --> 01:36:52,560 use those things to try to identify a 2330 01:36:52,560 --> 01:36:54,159 vehicle that might have uh went through 2331 01:36:54,159 --> 01:36:56,000 that camera system or that camera 2332 01:36:56,000 --> 01:37:00,950 location. 2333 01:37:00,960 --> 01:37:04,320 Next slide, please. 2334 01:37:04,320 --> 01:37:06,320 The cellular transmission is not cell 2335 01:37:06,320 --> 01:37:09,679 phone collection. Let's make clear that 2336 01:37:09,679 --> 01:37:11,440 the system does not collect any cell 2337 01:37:11,440 --> 01:37:14,000 phone data. The camera may use a 2338 01:37:14,000 --> 01:37:16,719 cellular network to transmit its own 2339 01:37:16,719 --> 01:37:20,320 captured record to cloud storage, but 2340 01:37:20,320 --> 01:37:23,600 not that's not the same as harvesting 2341 01:37:23,600 --> 01:37:25,199 cellular signals or electronic 2342 01:37:25,199 --> 01:37:28,560 information from passing motorists. 2343 01:37:28,560 --> 01:37:31,920 It is photographing what is visually 2344 01:37:31,920 --> 01:37:35,520 exposed on a roadway and adding the time 2345 01:37:35,520 --> 01:37:39,840 and location of that observation. 2346 01:37:39,840 --> 01:37:44,470 Next slide. 2347 01:37:44,480 --> 01:37:47,600 It photographs everyone. 2348 01:37:47,600 --> 01:37:51,199 That's correct. It does. 2349 01:37:51,199 --> 01:37:53,040 The criticism that the camera captures 2350 01:37:53,040 --> 01:37:55,440 vehicles regardless of whether they are 2351 01:37:55,440 --> 01:37:58,159 uh already suspects or substanti is 2352 01:37:58,159 --> 01:38:01,600 substantially correct. It does. There's 2353 01:38:01,600 --> 01:38:03,679 no denying that 2354 01:38:03,679 --> 01:38:05,280 everybody is photographed when you go by 2355 01:38:05,280 --> 01:38:08,400 the camera. 2356 01:38:08,400 --> 01:38:10,080 The important distinction is what 2357 01:38:10,080 --> 01:38:11,920 follows. 2358 01:38:11,920 --> 01:38:14,639 Vehicle direction is not suspect. Stop 2359 01:38:14,639 --> 01:38:20,080 is not suspect or stop. Uh an the the information is not an accusation. 2360 01:38:20,080 --> 01:38:23,040 It's not an arrest. It's for human 2361 01:38:23,040 --> 01:38:26,229 investigation 2362 01:38:26,239 --> 01:38:29,440 to assist law enforcement. Most 2363 01:38:29,440 --> 01:38:32,960 detections are never acted on. Of those 2364 01:38:32,960 --> 01:38:35,760 thousands that are already on record, 2365 01:38:35,760 --> 01:38:38,239 probably 90% of them have never even 2366 01:38:38,239 --> 01:38:40,080 been looked at. Nobody even knows they 2367 01:38:40,080 --> 01:38:42,960 exist. And they will be deleted in the 2368 01:38:42,960 --> 01:38:46,000 proper timeline. Then they're gone. They 2369 01:38:46,000 --> 01:38:48,320 don't stay around forever. 2370 01:38:48,320 --> 01:38:53,430 Our 2371 01:38:53,440 --> 01:38:55,679 public page states that the lo local 2372 01:38:55,679 --> 01:38:58,800 data currently is retained 30 days. 2373 01:38:58,800 --> 01:39:01,440 That's our policy right now. As we talk 2374 01:39:01,440 --> 01:39:02,800 about policy and how this thing should 2375 01:39:02,800 --> 01:39:05,199 be guided and regulated, that's going to 2376 01:39:05,199 --> 01:39:07,679 change. 2377 01:39:07,679 --> 01:39:09,199 Now, is it going to stay 30? I don't 2378 01:39:09,199 --> 01:39:10,239 know. But I can tell you things are 2379 01:39:10,239 --> 01:39:11,440 going to change as we continue through 2380 01:39:11,440 --> 01:39:13,280 this discussion because things have 2381 01:39:13,280 --> 01:39:19,350 happened. 2382 01:39:19,360 --> 01:39:21,679 A large volume of observations, those 2383 01:39:21,679 --> 01:39:23,520 photos, those still photos and 2384 01:39:23,520 --> 01:39:26,080 everything that it captures makes 2385 01:39:26,080 --> 01:39:30,560 retention, access, sharing, and auditing 2386 01:39:30,560 --> 01:39:33,760 more important. It does not convert 2387 01:39:33,760 --> 01:39:43,830 every passing driver into a suspect. 2388 01:39:43,840 --> 01:39:49,109 Next slide, please. 2389 01:39:49,119 --> 01:39:52,239 An ALPR is an investigative tool. It's 2390 01:39:52,239 --> 01:39:56,950 not a police force. 2391 01:39:56,960 --> 01:40:00,000 Law enforcement is equipped with many 2392 01:40:00,000 --> 01:40:02,560 tools. 2393 01:40:02,560 --> 01:40:06,080 All of which can be misused 2394 01:40:06,080 --> 01:40:08,080 against the public. 2395 01:40:08,080 --> 01:40:11,440 The car we drive, the weapon systems we 2396 01:40:11,440 --> 01:40:15,600 carry, the tasers we carry, 2397 01:40:15,600 --> 01:40:19,199 the camera system we carry. 2398 01:40:19,199 --> 01:40:23,040 So many things that we do can be misused 2399 01:40:23,040 --> 01:40:25,280 and have been misused. There's no 2400 01:40:25,280 --> 01:40:32,390 denying that. 2401 01:40:32,400 --> 01:40:35,040 Next slide, please. 2402 01:40:35,040 --> 01:40:39,040 An ALPR does not arrest anybody. 2403 01:40:39,040 --> 01:40:41,600 It does not search a house. It does not 2404 01:40:41,600 --> 01:40:43,920 issue a warrant. It does not convict 2405 01:40:43,920 --> 01:40:46,880 anybody. It does not establish guilt. It 2406 01:40:46,880 --> 01:40:49,199 does not eliminate reasonable suspicion. 2407 01:40:49,199 --> 01:40:50,800 It eliminate it does not eliminate 2408 01:40:50,800 --> 01:40:53,280 probable cause or eliminate 2409 01:40:53,280 --> 01:40:55,040 constitutional requirements for 2410 01:40:55,040 --> 01:40:59,280 detention or uh uh detection, search, 2411 01:40:59,280 --> 01:41:02,159 arrest or prosecution. 2412 01:41:02,159 --> 01:41:04,159 The legal authority for police action 2413 01:41:04,159 --> 01:41:07,280 still comes from the Constitution, 2414 01:41:07,280 --> 01:41:10,000 statutes, warrants, probable cause, 2415 01:41:10,000 --> 01:41:12,320 reasonable suspicion, and the facts of 2416 01:41:12,320 --> 01:41:14,480 the case, 2417 01:41:14,480 --> 01:41:17,920 not from a camera. 2418 01:41:17,920 --> 01:41:22,310 Next slide. 2419 01:41:22,320 --> 01:41:26,080 The camera produces information. 2420 01:41:26,080 --> 01:41:28,080 It produces information. Sometimes that 2421 01:41:28,080 --> 01:41:30,639 means a stolen vehicle or wanted person 2422 01:41:30,639 --> 01:41:32,560 alert. Sometimes it assists with a 2423 01:41:32,560 --> 01:41:35,280 missing child, endangered adults, Amber 2424 01:41:35,280 --> 01:41:37,360 Alert, Silver Alert. Sometimes it's 2425 01:41:37,360 --> 01:41:40,639 simple as a lead about a vehicle near a 2426 01:41:40,639 --> 01:41:43,750 crime. 2427 01:41:43,760 --> 01:41:45,920 Our current public page specifically 2428 01:41:45,920 --> 01:41:48,960 identifies real time alerts 2429 01:41:48,960 --> 01:41:51,119 tied to stolen vehicles, missing person 2430 01:41:51,119 --> 01:41:54,639 cases, and wanted suspects. 2431 01:41:54,639 --> 01:41:56,800 A couple of stories. I don't need to go 2432 01:41:56,800 --> 01:41:58,080 into these. They're all over the 2433 01:41:58,080 --> 01:41:59,600 internet. 2434 01:41:59,600 --> 01:42:01,679 For every bad story, you can find a good 2435 01:42:01,679 --> 01:42:04,000 story. For every good story, you can 2436 01:42:04,000 --> 01:42:06,159 find a bad story. 2437 01:42:06,159 --> 01:42:08,719 Every bad story has got human error 2438 01:42:08,719 --> 01:42:12,000 connected to it. Every good story has 2439 01:42:12,000 --> 01:42:18,950 got good police work connected to it. 2440 01:42:18,960 --> 01:42:26,870 Next slide, please. 2441 01:42:26,880 --> 01:42:30,159 The ALPR system court is a force 2442 01:42:30,159 --> 01:42:35,750 multiplier. 2443 01:42:35,760 --> 01:42:38,000 I've been in law enforcement almost 40 2444 01:42:38,000 --> 01:42:43,280 years. I've seen the technology change. 2445 01:42:43,280 --> 01:42:45,520 There are many that will say that this 2446 01:42:45,520 --> 01:42:50,159 technology is right now the most 2447 01:42:50,159 --> 01:42:51,920 advantageous 2448 01:42:51,920 --> 01:42:54,560 and best technology 2449 01:42:54,560 --> 01:42:56,719 available to law enforcement in modern 2450 01:42:56,719 --> 01:43:05,109 times. 2451 01:43:05,119 --> 01:43:07,199 A force multiplier 2452 01:43:07,199 --> 01:43:09,520 and an investigation lead generation 2453 01:43:09,520 --> 01:43:11,920 tool. That's what this is. 2454 01:43:11,920 --> 01:43:17,510 This does not do police work. 2455 01:43:17,520 --> 01:43:25,270 Next slide, please. 2456 01:43:25,280 --> 01:43:28,560 » The value after a crime. You've heard 2457 01:43:28,560 --> 01:43:34,480 today that some people believe that the 2458 01:43:34,480 --> 01:43:36,320 block system 2459 01:43:36,320 --> 01:43:39,280 will help deter crime. 2460 01:43:39,280 --> 01:43:40,880 And you can go to some communities and 2461 01:43:40,880 --> 01:43:43,360 some towns and they will validate that 2462 01:43:43,360 --> 01:43:46,320 to tell you that that's the truth. 2463 01:43:46,320 --> 01:43:48,320 Then you can go to the home office of 2464 01:43:48,320 --> 01:43:50,800 where Flock is in Atlanta, Georgia, 2465 01:43:50,800 --> 01:43:52,239 where they have I don't know how many 2466 01:43:52,239 --> 01:43:54,800 cameras around town and they have had no 2467 01:43:54,800 --> 01:44:06,149 significant drop in crime. 2468 01:44:06,159 --> 01:44:11,199 An ALR program system 2469 01:44:11,199 --> 01:44:17,910 does not prove that it prevents crimes. 2470 01:44:17,920 --> 01:44:20,239 Prevention is not necessarily its 2471 01:44:20,239 --> 01:44:27,189 primary function. 2472 01:44:27,199 --> 01:44:29,440 What's the primary value or the primary 2473 01:44:29,440 --> 01:44:32,080 value is not always prevention. 2474 01:44:32,080 --> 01:44:34,000 Although some will tell you it does an 2475 01:44:34,000 --> 01:44:36,000 outstanding job in preventing preventing 2476 01:44:36,000 --> 01:44:38,320 or deterring crime. 2477 01:44:38,320 --> 01:44:40,719 An ALR program does not have to prove 2478 01:44:40,719 --> 01:44:43,280 that a prevent that prevented a crime 2479 01:44:43,280 --> 01:44:45,920 every time and have value. Prevention is 2480 01:44:45,920 --> 01:44:48,639 not necessarily a primary function. Its 2481 01:44:48,639 --> 01:44:51,119 strongest use can be after a crime or an 2482 01:44:51,119 --> 01:44:53,280 emergency when investigators need to 2483 01:44:53,280 --> 01:44:59,189 reconstruct vehicle activity quickly. 2484 01:44:59,199 --> 01:45:02,320 The force multiplier this year, this 2485 01:45:02,320 --> 01:45:03,920 month, 2486 01:45:03,920 --> 01:45:06,800 a multi- agency working paper by Scott 2487 01:45:06,800 --> 01:45:10,000 M. More goes and INT Adams published 2488 01:45:10,000 --> 01:45:12,639 through the University of South Carolina 2489 01:45:12,639 --> 01:45:15,360 examined the staggered deployment of 2490 01:45:15,360 --> 01:45:19,760 flocked ALPR cameras across 216 2491 01:45:19,760 --> 01:45:22,560 US law enforcement agencies using FBI 2492 01:45:22,560 --> 01:45:29,199 neighbors data from 2017 to 20 uh 23. If 2493 01:45:29,199 --> 01:45:30,719 you don't know what libraries is, that's 2494 01:45:30,719 --> 01:45:32,080 the information that every law 2495 01:45:32,080 --> 01:45:35,520 enforcement agency is required by law to 2496 01:45:35,520 --> 01:45:37,360 forward to their state agency and then 2497 01:45:37,360 --> 01:45:39,199 it's forwarded to the FBI and they're 2498 01:45:39,199 --> 01:45:40,960 the ones that collect all the data and 2499 01:45:40,960 --> 01:45:43,840 put all that data together uh to to talk 2500 01:45:43,840 --> 01:45:46,000 about crime statistics. Right now, what 2501 01:45:46,000 --> 01:45:49,280 you're hearing nationwide crime is down. 2502 01:45:49,280 --> 01:45:50,960 Is that because of the flock camera 2503 01:45:50,960 --> 01:45:54,719 system? I wouldn't say that it is. Could 2504 01:45:54,719 --> 01:45:56,800 it have contributed to it? I would say 2505 01:45:56,800 --> 01:45:58,159 it certainly could have contributed to 2506 01:45:58,159 --> 01:46:08,229 it. 2507 01:46:08,239 --> 01:46:11,119 This 2026 study, this multi- agency 2508 01:46:11,119 --> 01:46:13,920 analysis of the 216 US law enforcement 2509 01:46:13,920 --> 01:46:17,199 agencies found that deployment of flock 2510 01:46:17,199 --> 01:46:19,440 fixed license plate readers was 2511 01:46:19,440 --> 01:46:23,520 associated with a 15.9% increase in 2512 01:46:23,520 --> 01:46:27,040 motor vehicle theft arrest clearances. 2513 01:46:27,040 --> 01:46:30,000 The same study also reported an 11% 2514 01:46:30,000 --> 01:46:31,840 decline in motor vehicle theft after 2515 01:46:31,840 --> 01:46:34,000 deployment. Does that mean that can 2516 01:46:34,000 --> 01:46:37,040 happen everywhere? No. 2517 01:46:37,040 --> 01:46:39,920 But it's it's a statistic from a neutral 2518 01:46:39,920 --> 01:46:42,800 party at a university that looked at 216 2519 01:46:42,800 --> 01:46:44,560 different law enforcement agencies and 2520 01:46:44,560 --> 01:46:47,280 that's the data that they come up with. 2521 01:46:47,280 --> 01:46:51,679 Is that a good tool? You need to decide. 2522 01:46:51,679 --> 01:46:53,840 In the city of Columbus, Missouri or 2523 01:46:53,840 --> 01:46:57,910 Columbia, Missouri, excuse me. 2524 01:46:57,920 --> 01:47:02,880 They published and they do a publish a a annual surveillance technology. They 2525 01:47:02,880 --> 01:47:05,040 did that for last year. Their report 2526 01:47:05,040 --> 01:47:08,080 after beginning flock implementation in 2527 01:47:08,080 --> 01:47:11,040 March of 2025, 2528 01:47:11,040 --> 01:47:14,080 Colombia tracked 217 case outcomes 2529 01:47:14,080 --> 01:47:17,920 directly associated with flock alerts. 2530 01:47:17,920 --> 01:47:21,119 Of those 217 track cases, 89 were 2531 01:47:21,119 --> 01:47:23,600 cleared, 69 by arrest, 20 by other 2532 01:47:23,600 --> 01:47:25,600 means. Another 52 generated 2533 01:47:25,600 --> 01:47:29,990 investigative leads. 2534 01:47:30,000 --> 01:47:32,880 Colombia's report states that more than 2535 01:47:32,880 --> 01:47:36,560 55% of its track flock associated cases 2536 01:47:36,560 --> 01:47:40,159 resulted in either arrest or 2537 01:47:40,159 --> 01:47:45,350 actionable investigative leads. 2538 01:47:45,360 --> 01:47:48,560 The force multiplier point. 2539 01:47:48,560 --> 01:47:50,480 These figures do not mean a camera 2540 01:47:50,480 --> 01:47:52,560 replaces a deputy or solves a case by 2541 01:47:52,560 --> 01:47:54,880 itself. 2542 01:47:54,880 --> 01:47:57,280 This shows how fixed ALPR can 2543 01:47:57,280 --> 01:47:59,199 continuously generate vehicle 2544 01:47:59,199 --> 01:48:02,159 observations and leads that let the same 2545 01:48:02,159 --> 01:48:04,719 investigators and patrol resources work 2546 01:48:04,719 --> 01:48:07,760 more efficiently when a vehicle is a is 2547 01:48:07,760 --> 01:48:21,590 relevant to a case. 2548 01:48:21,600 --> 01:48:27,830 Next slide please. 2549 01:48:27,840 --> 01:48:29,840 Every investigation 2550 01:48:29,840 --> 01:48:38,870 usually starts with fragments. 2551 01:48:38,880 --> 01:48:40,800 I don't know where you're at, sir. We 2552 01:48:40,800 --> 01:48:42,239 should be on slide 20. 2553 01:48:42,239 --> 01:48:44,719 >> You're on fragments now. 2554 01:48:44,719 --> 01:48:48,870 >> Okay. Thank you. 2555 01:48:48,880 --> 01:48:51,280 Investigators routine Investigations 2556 01:48:51,280 --> 01:48:53,440 routinely begin with incomplete 2557 01:48:53,440 --> 01:48:55,920 information. 2558 01:48:55,920 --> 01:48:58,560 It was a white pickup. No, it was a dark 2559 01:48:58,560 --> 01:49:03,840 SUV. Uh, the license plate was a B C. I 2560 01:49:03,840 --> 01:49:06,159 don't remember the rest. 2561 01:49:06,159 --> 01:49:07,520 I don't know. But the truck had a roof 2562 01:49:07,520 --> 01:49:11,199 rack on it, a bumper sticker, some kind 2563 01:49:11,199 --> 01:49:13,920 of identifying mark that sets it apart 2564 01:49:13,920 --> 01:49:15,199 from everything else that stuck out in 2565 01:49:15,199 --> 01:49:21,750 their mind. 2566 01:49:21,760 --> 01:49:25,840 That's normal investigative work. 2567 01:49:25,840 --> 01:49:34,229 ALPR to make those fragments searchable. 2568 01:49:34,239 --> 01:49:36,880 Next slide. 2569 01:49:36,880 --> 01:49:39,280 What flock can do with those fragments? 2570 01:49:39,280 --> 01:49:43,199 An AOPR can compress work that otherwise 2571 01:49:43,199 --> 01:49:47,440 may take hours, days, or weeks 2572 01:49:47,440 --> 01:49:49,440 by helping investigators identify 2573 01:49:49,440 --> 01:49:53,360 vehicle uh vehicles warranty further 2574 01:49:53,360 --> 01:49:55,840 examination. The technology does not 2575 01:49:55,840 --> 01:49:58,800 prove who committed the crime. It 2576 01:49:58,800 --> 01:50:00,880 narrows where the investigators should 2577 01:50:00,880 --> 01:50:03,360 look. Now, 2578 01:50:03,360 --> 01:50:08,709 next slide. 2579 01:50:08,719 --> 01:50:10,960 AOPRs 2580 01:50:10,960 --> 01:50:13,840 do not solve crimes. 2581 01:50:13,840 --> 01:50:17,280 Investigators solve crimes. 2582 01:50:17,280 --> 01:50:19,280 The AOPR helps the investigators 2583 01:50:19,280 --> 01:50:23,280 determine where to look. 2584 01:50:23,280 --> 01:50:26,719 A hit of an LPR is not an automatic 2585 01:50:26,719 --> 01:50:31,910 proof, probable cause, or guilt. 2586 01:50:31,920 --> 01:50:35,119 Next slide. 2587 01:50:35,119 --> 01:50:36,880 So, some documented Keno County 2588 01:50:36,880 --> 01:50:38,480 outcomes. 2589 01:50:38,480 --> 01:50:40,960 These are some local examples of how 2590 01:50:40,960 --> 01:50:55,910 flock has been used locally. 2591 01:50:55,920 --> 01:51:00,229 Some of these might be on the website. 2592 01:51:00,239 --> 01:51:01,760 Theft of property construction 2593 01:51:01,760 --> 01:51:04,239 equipment. 2594 01:51:04,239 --> 01:51:07,119 was stolen 2595 01:51:07,119 --> 01:51:10,159 from a property off 1376. LPRs captured 2596 01:51:10,159 --> 01:51:12,239 the vehicle traveling with the stolen 2597 01:51:12,239 --> 01:51:14,000 equipment as well as the license plate 2598 01:51:14,000 --> 01:51:16,000 of the vehicle that was hauling the 2599 01:51:16,000 --> 01:51:18,480 equipment. Property was recovered and 2600 01:51:18,480 --> 01:51:21,679 suspect arrested. 2601 01:51:21,679 --> 01:51:24,159 They got that information off an LPR 2602 01:51:24,159 --> 01:51:25,520 because of the characteristics. They 2603 01:51:25,520 --> 01:51:27,040 didn't have a license plate. They put 2604 01:51:27,040 --> 01:51:29,040 the characteristics of a timeline of 2605 01:51:29,040 --> 01:51:30,480 what kind of vehicle might have had that 2606 01:51:30,480 --> 01:51:32,320 stolen equipment on it. That's how that 2607 01:51:32,320 --> 01:51:34,800 case was solved. 2608 01:51:34,800 --> 01:51:37,040 Had that fly camera not been there, that 2609 01:51:37,040 --> 01:51:38,960 equipment would still be missing today. 2610 01:51:38,960 --> 01:51:41,840 More than likely, 2611 01:51:41,840 --> 01:51:43,440 burglar of a building, a commercial 2612 01:51:43,440 --> 01:51:45,760 business. Two vehicles park at a local 2613 01:51:45,760 --> 01:51:48,159 business and burglarize it. The business 2614 01:51:48,159 --> 01:51:50,719 captured the license plate of one 2615 01:51:50,719 --> 01:51:52,800 vehicle and the unique identifiers of 2616 01:51:52,800 --> 01:51:55,199 the second vehicle with their security 2617 01:51:55,199 --> 01:51:57,520 cameras. 2618 01:51:57,520 --> 01:51:58,960 Knowing the first vehicle's license 2619 01:51:58,960 --> 01:52:01,119 plate, the LPRs were used to identify 2620 01:52:01,119 --> 01:52:03,199 the second vehicle that was traveling 2621 01:52:03,199 --> 01:52:05,679 with it. The license plate was obtained 2622 01:52:05,679 --> 01:52:07,440 for the second vehicle. The driver of 2623 01:52:07,440 --> 01:52:09,199 the second vehicle was identified and 2624 01:52:09,199 --> 01:52:11,119 the first vehicle license plates were 2625 01:52:11,119 --> 01:52:14,480 found to be stolen. 2626 01:52:14,480 --> 01:52:16,320 It was also found that shortly after the 2627 01:52:16,320 --> 01:52:18,400 burglary, the vehicle was involved in a 2628 01:52:18,400 --> 01:52:19,920 major hit and run accident in San 2629 01:52:19,920 --> 01:52:22,000 Antonio. 2630 01:52:22,000 --> 01:52:24,159 The the suspect fled and the truck was 2631 01:52:24,159 --> 01:52:27,119 impounded. Items contained uh containing 2632 01:52:27,119 --> 01:52:29,360 potential DNA were collected and sent 2633 01:52:29,360 --> 01:52:32,719 out for testing and San Antonio PD later 2634 01:52:32,719 --> 01:52:34,560 arrested the suspect without standing 2635 01:52:34,560 --> 01:52:36,960 warrants. 2636 01:52:36,960 --> 01:52:40,239 A hit and run. A victim of a hit-and- 2637 01:52:40,239 --> 01:52:42,320 run accident was able to take a picture 2638 01:52:42,320 --> 01:52:44,480 of the suspect vehicle, but the license 2639 01:52:44,480 --> 01:52:47,280 plate was not legible. 2640 01:52:47,280 --> 01:52:48,960 Knowing the date and time of the 2641 01:52:48,960 --> 01:52:51,920 incident, LPRs were utilized and a 2642 01:52:51,920 --> 01:52:54,400 vehicle matching the picture the victim 2643 01:52:54,400 --> 01:52:56,639 took was located with the license plate. 2644 01:52:56,639 --> 01:52:58,480 The driver of the vehicle was identified 2645 01:52:58,480 --> 01:53:00,000 and the insurance information was 2646 01:53:00,000 --> 01:53:02,239 exchanged. So, the damage of the 2647 01:53:02,239 --> 01:53:04,960 victim's vehicle could be repaired, 2648 01:53:04,960 --> 01:53:07,280 that's not a big deal. But if that was 2649 01:53:07,280 --> 01:53:09,599 your vehicle and the guy got away and 2650 01:53:09,599 --> 01:53:11,440 you never got found out that who that 2651 01:53:11,440 --> 01:53:13,280 person was, it was through the flock 2652 01:53:13,280 --> 01:53:15,040 system that we're able to identify that 2653 01:53:15,040 --> 01:53:18,000 person under a timely manner. For that 2654 01:53:18,000 --> 01:53:25,030 person who got hit, it's a big deal. 2655 01:53:25,040 --> 01:53:27,679 Mail theft, stolen property, a jet ski 2656 01:53:27,679 --> 01:53:30,719 out of Gonzalez County. Multiple Kendall 2657 01:53:30,719 --> 01:53:32,400 County residents were victims of mail 2658 01:53:32,400 --> 01:53:34,320 theft. 2659 01:53:34,320 --> 01:53:36,159 One of the victims captured a suspect 2660 01:53:36,159 --> 01:53:38,000 vehicle, but no license plate on 2661 01:53:38,000 --> 01:53:39,920 security cameras. The vehicle was 2662 01:53:39,920 --> 01:53:42,239 identified using LPRs. The vehicle's 2663 01:53:42,239 --> 01:53:44,719 owner was identified, and changes were 2664 01:53:44,719 --> 01:53:47,440 and charges were filed. Uh the LPR 2665 01:53:47,440 --> 01:53:49,520 images also showed the vehicle hauling a 2666 01:53:49,520 --> 01:53:53,199 stolen jet ski that had previously uh uh 2667 01:53:53,199 --> 01:53:55,520 recovered abandoned in a field here in 2668 01:53:55,520 --> 01:53:57,199 Kendall County. 2669 01:53:57,199 --> 01:53:59,440 The jet ski was returned to the owner 2670 01:53:59,440 --> 01:54:01,520 and all the suspect information was 2671 01:54:01,520 --> 01:54:07,990 forwarded to Gonzalez County. So, 2672 01:54:08,000 --> 01:54:11,440 those are property crimes. 2673 01:54:11,440 --> 01:54:15,679 That's stuff people take damage to our 2674 01:54:15,679 --> 01:54:18,400 vehicle. 2675 01:54:18,400 --> 01:54:21,679 Some of them seem kind of small 2676 01:54:21,679 --> 01:54:25,119 like police should work harder to solve 2677 01:54:25,119 --> 01:54:26,880 those things. 2678 01:54:26,880 --> 01:54:44,310 Find people's property. 2679 01:54:44,320 --> 01:54:49,750 Next slide, please. 2680 01:54:49,760 --> 01:54:53,040 But the use of LPR is not only for 2681 01:54:53,040 --> 01:54:57,270 property crimes. 2682 01:54:57,280 --> 01:54:58,639 Let me tell you how else this has been 2683 01:54:58,639 --> 01:55:02,229 used locally. 2684 01:55:02,239 --> 01:55:04,960 Investigators received a cyber tip of an 2685 01:55:04,960 --> 01:55:09,750 individual viewing child pornography. 2686 01:55:09,760 --> 01:55:12,480 IP results indicated the suspect lived 2687 01:55:12,480 --> 01:55:16,080 in Kendall County, but other data bases 2688 01:55:16,080 --> 01:55:18,639 uh indicated he may have another address 2689 01:55:18,639 --> 01:55:21,040 outside of Kendall County. A vehicle 2690 01:55:21,040 --> 01:55:23,520 registered to the suspect was identified 2691 01:55:23,520 --> 01:55:26,400 and was seen repeatedly on LPR cameras 2692 01:55:26,400 --> 01:55:28,560 in Bernie near the Kendall County 2693 01:55:28,560 --> 01:55:31,599 address. During further investigation, 2694 01:55:31,599 --> 01:55:34,000 investigators were able to place that 2695 01:55:34,000 --> 01:55:35,920 vehicle at the address in Kendall 2696 01:55:35,920 --> 01:55:39,679 County. A search warrant was executed 2697 01:55:39,679 --> 01:55:42,719 and approximately 900 images of child 2698 01:55:42,719 --> 01:55:46,639 pornography were located. Charges filed. 2699 01:55:46,639 --> 01:55:55,589 That's here in your backyard. 2700 01:55:55,599 --> 01:55:59,040 This one was mentioned earlier. 2701 01:55:59,040 --> 01:56:02,080 You may not know this, but um sex 2702 01:56:02,080 --> 01:56:03,599 offenders have a lot of rules they got 2703 01:56:03,599 --> 01:56:06,639 to go by. There was a 2704 01:56:06,639 --> 01:56:10,000 and this come from our our analyst. 2705 01:56:10,000 --> 01:56:12,320 She conducted and and through the DA's 2706 01:56:12,320 --> 01:56:14,800 office a random sex offender check on 2707 01:56:14,800 --> 01:56:17,840 one of our offenders because it was they 2708 01:56:17,840 --> 01:56:20,080 were never home. One of the requirements 2709 01:56:20,080 --> 01:56:21,840 is they got to be home. They got to stay 2710 01:56:21,840 --> 01:56:23,760 home. They can't be gone any more than 2711 01:56:23,760 --> 01:56:26,080 48 hours. I believe offenders must check 2712 01:56:26,080 --> 01:56:28,320 in if you're going to be away from home 2713 01:56:28,320 --> 01:56:31,280 more than 48 hours. When Defender's LP 2714 01:56:31,280 --> 01:56:32,880 was run through flock, it was found that 2715 01:56:32,880 --> 01:56:39,430 he was in port A. 2716 01:56:39,440 --> 01:56:42,560 As mentioned earlier, in port A, living 2717 01:56:42,560 --> 01:56:44,639 and staying within three miles of four 2718 01:56:44,639 --> 01:56:47,760 different elementary schools. 2719 01:56:47,760 --> 01:56:50,080 After further investigating this, it was 2720 01:56:50,080 --> 01:56:54,159 found that he violated his terms 2721 01:56:54,159 --> 01:56:55,760 for registry of a sex offender. He was 2722 01:56:55,760 --> 01:57:02,470 convicted again 2723 01:57:02,480 --> 01:57:06,790 for not complying. 2724 01:57:06,800 --> 01:57:08,400 This guy was coming back and forth and 2725 01:57:08,400 --> 01:57:09,440 every once in a while he come back here 2726 01:57:09,440 --> 01:57:11,040 and the reason he came back to Kendall 2727 01:57:11,040 --> 01:57:13,520 County is because his doctor was here 2728 01:57:13,520 --> 01:57:16,159 and he had to go see his doctor 2729 01:57:16,159 --> 01:57:18,320 but he actually lived in poor day 2730 01:57:18,320 --> 01:57:22,709 amongst children. 2731 01:57:22,719 --> 01:57:24,000 Here's another one that happened 2732 01:57:24,000 --> 01:57:26,239 recently. While a deputy was on patrol, 2733 01:57:26,239 --> 01:57:28,960 he received an alert for an attempt to 2734 01:57:28,960 --> 01:57:32,239 locate a person interested in mur in a 2735 01:57:32,239 --> 01:57:37,270 murder out of Georgetown. 2736 01:57:37,280 --> 01:57:39,199 The deputy ran the vehicle information 2737 01:57:39,199 --> 01:57:42,480 into Flock and received a hit, 2738 01:57:42,480 --> 01:57:44,000 meaning he was in our county, one of our 2739 01:57:44,000 --> 01:57:46,480 cameras. The deputy was unable to catch 2740 01:57:46,480 --> 01:57:48,480 up with the vehicle, 2741 01:57:48,480 --> 01:57:51,040 but he forwarded the information to Kerr 2742 01:57:51,040 --> 01:57:53,119 County. 2743 01:57:53,119 --> 01:57:55,040 where they located the vehicle and under 2744 01:57:55,040 --> 01:57:57,920 and and ultimately took him uh uh and 2745 01:57:57,920 --> 01:58:00,000 arrested him. He had murdered his wife 2746 01:58:00,000 --> 01:58:02,480 in Georgetown. He was loaded down, 2747 01:58:02,480 --> 01:58:07,990 headed to Mexico. 2748 01:58:08,000 --> 01:58:10,239 Here's a good one. 2749 01:58:10,239 --> 01:58:13,040 This is a nice one. 2750 01:58:13,040 --> 01:58:15,199 A deputy assisted Bernie PD in locating 2751 01:58:15,199 --> 01:58:17,599 an elderly woman. She was at the bowling 2752 01:58:17,599 --> 01:58:20,719 alley with dementia. 2753 01:58:20,719 --> 01:58:22,880 made the wrong turn, not supposed to be 2754 01:58:22,880 --> 01:58:27,270 driving at night. 2755 01:58:27,280 --> 01:58:28,960 She gets turned around and according to 2756 01:58:28,960 --> 01:58:30,800 her husband, 2757 01:58:30,800 --> 01:58:33,360 so the deputy used the flock system was 2758 01:58:33,360 --> 01:58:35,840 able to start tracking her. Yes, 2759 01:58:35,840 --> 01:58:38,320 tracking her, not surveilling her. 2760 01:58:38,320 --> 01:58:39,679 There's a big difference and we'll talk 2761 01:58:39,679 --> 01:58:42,800 about that. Surveillance is constant, a 2762 01:58:42,800 --> 01:58:45,840 constant flow of where that person is. 2763 01:58:45,840 --> 01:58:47,199 We don't know where that person went 2764 01:58:47,199 --> 01:58:49,520 between the different camera locations. 2765 01:58:49,520 --> 01:58:52,960 Ultimately, the story ends nicely. She's 2766 01:58:52,960 --> 01:58:57,270 found in Ualdi 2767 01:58:57,280 --> 01:58:58,719 where her husband went down and picked 2768 01:58:58,719 --> 01:59:03,350 her up. 2769 01:59:03,360 --> 01:59:06,320 This last weekend, 2770 01:59:06,320 --> 01:59:09,760 my deputies are out routine patrol. A 2771 01:59:09,760 --> 01:59:13,280 car goes by at 90 miles an hour, 2772 01:59:13,280 --> 01:59:15,760 makes a routine traffic stop for 2773 01:59:15,760 --> 01:59:18,239 speeding. 2774 01:59:18,239 --> 01:59:20,320 Turns out there's three people in the 2775 01:59:20,320 --> 01:59:22,000 car. 2776 01:59:22,000 --> 01:59:24,560 The end result is 2777 01:59:24,560 --> 01:59:26,080 they all go to jail for possession of 2778 01:59:26,080 --> 01:59:28,960 marijuana. 2779 01:59:28,960 --> 01:59:30,960 A little bit of marijuana. That's one 2780 01:59:30,960 --> 01:59:32,320 thing about Kendall County. You may not 2781 01:59:32,320 --> 01:59:34,560 agree with that either. Not off topic. 2782 01:59:34,560 --> 01:59:36,080 In San Antonio, they probably wouldn't 2783 01:59:36,080 --> 01:59:38,320 have messed with it. 2784 01:59:38,320 --> 01:59:40,480 These guys went to jail. They're from 2785 01:59:40,480 --> 01:59:43,760 Houston. What are they doing here at 2786 01:59:43,760 --> 01:59:48,239 night? Driving fast. 2787 01:59:48,239 --> 01:59:50,400 Nothing out of the ordinary. However, in 2788 01:59:50,400 --> 01:59:53,360 speaking with the deputy that made stop, 2789 01:59:53,360 --> 01:59:57,910 these guys are young guys. 2790 01:59:57,920 --> 02:00:04,000 They had no concern, respect, or any 2791 02:00:04,000 --> 02:00:08,629 what am I trying to say here? 2792 02:00:08,639 --> 02:00:10,560 Reaction 2793 02:00:10,560 --> 02:00:13,040 to Hodong Kendall County Sheriff's 2794 02:00:13,040 --> 02:00:16,000 Office. These guys were professional 2795 02:00:16,000 --> 02:00:19,910 crooks. 2796 02:00:19,920 --> 02:00:21,520 There's just no walk in the park for 2797 02:00:21,520 --> 02:00:24,159 these guys. No big deal. They go to 2798 02:00:24,159 --> 02:00:27,520 jail. Good job, guys. 2799 02:00:27,520 --> 02:00:30,000 We get an email the next morning from 2800 02:00:30,000 --> 02:00:32,800 Flugerville. 2801 02:00:32,800 --> 02:00:36,880 Hey, I see that um 2802 02:00:36,880 --> 02:00:38,880 this vehicle with this license plate was 2803 02:00:38,880 --> 02:00:41,760 on the back of a wrecker that went by an 2804 02:00:41,760 --> 02:00:43,679 LPR. 2805 02:00:43,679 --> 02:00:45,440 And we're interested in this vehicle 2806 02:00:45,440 --> 02:00:47,440 because it has been involved in numerous 2807 02:00:47,440 --> 02:00:50,239 crimes in the Austin, Flugerville, 2808 02:00:50,239 --> 02:00:56,470 Georgetown area. 2809 02:00:56,480 --> 02:00:58,000 Now, 2810 02:00:58,000 --> 02:01:00,000 did these three guys commit crimes? I 2811 02:01:00,000 --> 02:01:02,320 don't know. That's where the police work 2812 02:01:02,320 --> 02:01:04,639 comes in. 2813 02:01:04,639 --> 02:01:06,800 But Flugerville didn't have any idea. 2814 02:01:06,800 --> 02:01:09,040 And guess what? Flugerville was working 2815 02:01:09,040 --> 02:01:15,430 a catalytic converter theft. 2816 02:01:15,440 --> 02:01:18,080 These guys are bad. They're out of 2817 02:01:18,080 --> 02:01:19,599 Houston. 2818 02:01:19,599 --> 02:01:22,239 They're in our backyard. 2819 02:01:22,239 --> 02:01:24,080 We did a routine stop on him, put him in 2820 02:01:24,080 --> 02:01:25,599 jail. 2821 02:01:25,599 --> 02:01:28,080 The point to that is there's no telling 2822 02:01:28,080 --> 02:01:30,320 what that investigator can do with that 2823 02:01:30,320 --> 02:01:32,639 information from that date and time in 2824 02:01:32,639 --> 02:01:41,750 that camera. 2825 02:01:41,760 --> 02:01:44,239 This weekend, 2826 02:01:44,239 --> 02:01:47,520 one of my deputies goes to the 2827 02:01:47,520 --> 02:01:49,679 I think he went to the board. He looked 2828 02:01:49,679 --> 02:01:51,119 up some of the most wanted people 2829 02:01:51,119 --> 02:01:54,229 locally. 2830 02:01:54,239 --> 02:02:01,589 He uses flock system. He gets an alert. 2831 02:02:01,599 --> 02:02:02,880 Saturday morning, I believe it was. I 2832 02:02:02,880 --> 02:02:04,480 may be wrong on that. There's been 2833 02:02:04,480 --> 02:02:08,229 several. 2834 02:02:08,239 --> 02:02:11,119 They arrest this guy for a felony 2835 02:02:11,119 --> 02:02:14,400 warrant. That felony warrant was for an 2836 02:02:14,400 --> 02:02:17,119 assault on one of your peace officers 2837 02:02:17,119 --> 02:02:18,880 with Bernie PD right here in your 2838 02:02:18,880 --> 02:02:22,070 backyard. 2839 02:02:22,080 --> 02:02:24,480 Could we eventually catch that guy? The 2840 02:02:24,480 --> 02:02:29,119 answer is yes. But how long eventually? 2841 02:02:29,119 --> 02:02:32,709 I don't know. 2842 02:02:32,719 --> 02:02:34,239 But the same that he put him in the 2843 02:02:34,239 --> 02:02:36,560 flat camera is the day that he was 2844 02:02:36,560 --> 02:02:38,639 arrested. 2845 02:02:38,639 --> 02:02:40,159 Timely 2846 02:02:40,159 --> 02:02:42,400 got him off the street. 2847 02:02:42,400 --> 02:02:45,199 He's a bad dude 2848 02:02:45,199 --> 02:02:47,760 and he's here in the backyard. 2849 02:02:47,760 --> 02:02:50,080 And finally, this past weekend, we 2850 02:02:50,080 --> 02:02:52,159 recovered another stolen vehicle. 2851 02:02:52,159 --> 02:02:53,760 Elderly woman, believe it or not, stole 2852 02:02:53,760 --> 02:02:57,990 a vehicle and she's in our gym. 2853 02:02:58,000 --> 02:03:04,149 Vehicle recovered. Happy vehicle owner. 2854 02:03:04,159 --> 02:03:05,440 I don't know how long she had that 2855 02:03:05,440 --> 02:03:06,800 vehicle, but she hadn't had it very 2856 02:03:06,800 --> 02:03:11,910 long. 2857 02:03:11,920 --> 02:03:13,360 Those are some local stories. So, it's 2858 02:03:13,360 --> 02:03:15,360 not only just property crime. This 2859 02:03:15,360 --> 02:03:18,960 includes crime against people, 2860 02:03:18,960 --> 02:03:20,960 your neighbors, your friends, your 2861 02:03:20,960 --> 02:03:27,270 co-workers. Here, 2862 02:03:27,280 --> 02:03:30,400 let's get into some good stuff. 2863 02:03:30,400 --> 02:03:31,679 Let's talk about what everybody's 2864 02:03:31,679 --> 02:03:35,360 concerned about. Next slide, please. 2865 02:03:35,360 --> 02:03:38,719 Your Fourth Amendment rights. 2866 02:03:38,719 --> 02:03:40,400 Let's talk about that. Let's have an 2867 02:03:40,400 --> 02:03:43,040 open, honest conversation about your 2868 02:03:43,040 --> 02:03:50,950 Fourth Amendment rights. 2869 02:03:50,960 --> 02:03:53,199 What does the Fourth Amendment say about 2870 02:03:53,199 --> 02:03:57,910 ALPRs? Next slide, please. 2871 02:03:57,920 --> 02:04:00,080 As already stated by the DA and many of 2872 02:04:00,080 --> 02:04:02,800 you here, the Fourth Amendment protects 2873 02:04:02,800 --> 02:04:05,040 against unreasonable searches and 2874 02:04:05,040 --> 02:04:10,870 seizures. 2875 02:04:10,880 --> 02:04:12,560 If you've ever studied the Constitution 2876 02:04:12,560 --> 02:04:13,920 and know where some of this stuff comes 2877 02:04:13,920 --> 02:04:16,560 from, I would recommend that you look 2878 02:04:16,560 --> 02:04:18,400 into a thing called the genealogy of the 2879 02:04:18,400 --> 02:04:20,719 US Constitution. Why does that even 2880 02:04:20,719 --> 02:04:22,960 exist? The founding fathers were 2881 02:04:22,960 --> 02:04:25,440 brilliant people. I think the 2882 02:04:25,440 --> 02:04:26,719 Constitution is one of the most 2883 02:04:26,719 --> 02:04:29,119 magnificent pieces of literature ever 2884 02:04:29,119 --> 02:04:31,840 written. And if you ask me, my opinion, 2885 02:04:31,840 --> 02:04:34,239 this is Al Oxer speaking, I think it was 2886 02:04:34,239 --> 02:04:36,560 divinely inspired as well. Maybe not 2887 02:04:36,560 --> 02:04:38,880 inspired by by voices of God, but 2888 02:04:38,880 --> 02:04:40,639 divinely inspired with the interjections 2889 02:04:40,639 --> 02:04:43,760 of what God allowed these people to 2890 02:04:43,760 --> 02:04:45,840 think, the historic application of 2891 02:04:45,840 --> 02:04:47,840 everything that that document represents 2892 02:04:47,840 --> 02:04:49,679 and has created the greatest country on 2893 02:04:49,679 --> 02:04:55,910 this earth. 2894 02:04:55,920 --> 02:04:57,679 The Fourth Amendment protects Americans 2895 02:04:57,679 --> 02:04:59,520 against unreasonable searches and 2896 02:04:59,520 --> 02:05:02,480 seizures. I support that protection 2897 02:05:02,480 --> 02:05:08,149 without any hesitation or qualification. 2898 02:05:08,159 --> 02:05:09,760 Supporting the Fourth Amendment also 2899 02:05:09,760 --> 02:05:12,880 means accurately describing 2900 02:05:12,880 --> 02:05:16,960 what courts have held, not claiming more 2901 02:05:16,960 --> 02:05:19,599 than the cases actually decide. I had 2902 02:05:19,599 --> 02:05:22,320 this conversation with council and and 2903 02:05:22,320 --> 02:05:27,990 lawyers and our legal and 2904 02:05:28,000 --> 02:05:29,679 they assured me that it is not a fourth 2905 02:05:29,679 --> 02:05:32,000 amendment violation. I'm going to talk 2906 02:05:32,000 --> 02:05:35,199 about that here in more detail. 2907 02:05:35,199 --> 02:05:39,119 Slide. Next slide please. 2908 02:05:39,119 --> 02:05:45,830 What the Supreme Court has not decided. 2909 02:05:45,840 --> 02:05:48,239 The US Supreme Court has not yet decided 2910 02:05:48,239 --> 02:05:50,800 a case specifically holding that 2911 02:05:50,800 --> 02:05:54,320 ordinary fixed camera ALPR systems are 2912 02:05:54,320 --> 02:05:58,950 universally constitutional 2913 02:05:58,960 --> 02:06:05,589 nor are they unconstitutional. 2914 02:06:05,599 --> 02:06:07,760 They are neither. 2915 02:06:07,760 --> 02:06:15,669 And we're going to talk about why. 2916 02:06:15,679 --> 02:06:18,480 This is a good starting point 2917 02:06:18,480 --> 02:06:21,760 to talk about our rights and our civil 2918 02:06:21,760 --> 02:06:37,589 liberties. 2919 02:06:37,599 --> 02:06:40,079 If you take the premise of what so many 2920 02:06:40,079 --> 02:06:44,159 believe that taking a photo 2921 02:06:44,159 --> 02:06:47,760 of a governmentissued license plate on a 2922 02:06:47,760 --> 02:06:50,639 governmentissued road is a violation of 2923 02:06:50,639 --> 02:06:53,280 your Fourth Amendment right, then I'm 2924 02:06:53,280 --> 02:06:55,199 here to tell you I am so guilty in my 2925 02:06:55,199 --> 02:06:57,520 law enforcement career. I have violated 2926 02:06:57,520 --> 02:06:59,360 so many people's Fourth Amendment rights 2927 02:06:59,360 --> 02:07:05,830 that you can't even keep track of it. 2928 02:07:05,840 --> 02:07:09,360 There's this thing called the rolly 28. 2929 02:07:09,360 --> 02:07:12,239 What does that mean? Before computers in 2930 02:07:12,239 --> 02:07:13,840 the day where you had to rely on 2931 02:07:13,840 --> 02:07:15,599 dispatch, 2932 02:07:15,599 --> 02:07:17,199 you might have a vehicle that goes by or 2933 02:07:17,199 --> 02:07:18,719 see it in a parking lot or whatever the 2934 02:07:18,719 --> 02:07:20,079 circumstances are. I don't know, you 2935 02:07:20,079 --> 02:07:22,800 name it. The rolling 28 means you're 2936 02:07:22,800 --> 02:07:24,320 moving. 2937 02:07:24,320 --> 02:07:25,760 So, you're on the interstate, which I 2938 02:07:25,760 --> 02:07:28,880 patrolled a lot. I'm on the slow lane. A 2939 02:07:28,880 --> 02:07:31,440 car goes by me in the fast lane. I see a 2940 02:07:31,440 --> 02:07:34,400 license plate. Do I have to have any 2941 02:07:34,400 --> 02:07:36,480 reasonable suspicion or any probable 2942 02:07:36,480 --> 02:07:39,599 cause to run that license plate? 2943 02:07:39,599 --> 02:07:43,360 The answer is no. I've done it probably, 2944 02:07:43,360 --> 02:07:45,040 I don't know, thousands and thousands of 2945 02:07:45,040 --> 02:07:50,149 times. 2946 02:07:50,159 --> 02:07:54,159 Based on the premise, if you think that is a violation, then every police 2947 02:07:54,159 --> 02:07:55,679 officer in the country has violated 2948 02:07:55,679 --> 02:08:03,189 everybody's rights. 2949 02:08:03,199 --> 02:08:06,880 Sometimes that rolling 28 now you don't 2950 02:08:06,880 --> 02:08:08,880 you do rolling 28s today but it's not 2951 02:08:08,880 --> 02:08:10,159 via dispatch. You don't have to call it 2952 02:08:10,159 --> 02:08:12,480 anymore because we got the technology. 2953 02:08:12,480 --> 02:08:14,320 We have computers right there. We just 2954 02:08:14,320 --> 02:08:15,679 type in the license plate and that 2955 02:08:15,679 --> 02:08:18,239 information comes back to us. In the 2956 02:08:18,239 --> 02:08:20,800 state of Texas, all you get back is the 2957 02:08:20,800 --> 02:08:22,960 vehicle registration information, the 2958 02:08:22,960 --> 02:08:25,440 owner. And today most of the time you 2959 02:08:25,440 --> 02:08:26,960 get back whether they have insurance or 2960 02:08:26,960 --> 02:08:30,480 not. But the idea is is registration 2961 02:08:30,480 --> 02:08:35,030 current. 2962 02:08:35,040 --> 02:08:40,470 A lot of people forget and it's not 2963 02:08:40,480 --> 02:08:42,000 well it's forgotten because we take it 2964 02:08:42,000 --> 02:08:44,880 for granted. 2965 02:08:44,880 --> 02:08:47,599 Operating a motor vehicle on a public 2966 02:08:47,599 --> 02:08:50,079 roadway in the state of Texas is not a 2967 02:08:50,079 --> 02:08:53,589 right. 2968 02:08:53,599 --> 02:09:00,709 It never has been. It is a privilege. 2969 02:09:00,719 --> 02:09:02,800 You can't just 2970 02:09:02,800 --> 02:09:06,400 find a vehicle, get in a car, and drive. 2971 02:09:06,400 --> 02:09:09,040 You better have a driver's license. That 2972 02:09:09,040 --> 02:09:11,599 vehicle better be registered. All the 2973 02:09:11,599 --> 02:09:13,119 equipment on that vehicle better be in 2974 02:09:13,119 --> 02:09:14,880 working order. You better have 2975 02:09:14,880 --> 02:09:48,229 insurance. 2976 02:09:48,239 --> 02:09:58,149 Next slide, please. 2977 02:09:58,159 --> 02:09:59,920 legal told me to be careful about this. 2978 02:09:59,920 --> 02:10:01,679 I'm not an attorney. I'm not a legal 2979 02:10:01,679 --> 02:10:06,149 scholar, but I can read 2980 02:10:06,159 --> 02:10:09,679 and I can express to you what I've read 2981 02:10:09,679 --> 02:10:14,870 in writing. 2982 02:10:14,880 --> 02:10:20,950 One of the things 2983 02:10:20,960 --> 02:10:23,599 about the Fourth Amendment and about 2984 02:10:23,599 --> 02:10:30,310 ALPRs. 2985 02:10:30,320 --> 02:10:32,960 The developing case laws, the things 2986 02:10:32,960 --> 02:10:35,040 people like to site, you hear it a lot. 2987 02:10:35,040 --> 02:10:36,960 So much of this stuff on social media is 2988 02:10:36,960 --> 02:10:38,480 just 2989 02:10:38,480 --> 02:10:39,760 I mean, we even heard some of it here 2990 02:10:39,760 --> 02:10:41,679 today. A lot of it here today that's 2991 02:10:41,679 --> 02:10:43,280 being regurgitated from what's being 2992 02:10:43,280 --> 02:10:45,840 said on social media. 2993 02:10:45,840 --> 02:10:48,239 A lot of it is concerning concerning for 2994 02:10:48,239 --> 02:10:53,910 me as well. 2995 02:10:53,920 --> 02:10:55,760 But the developing case laws generally 2996 02:10:55,760 --> 02:10:58,960 distinguishes limited discrete public 2997 02:10:58,960 --> 02:11:02,159 road vehicles vehicle observations from 2998 02:11:02,159 --> 02:11:05,520 comprehensive location histories that 2999 02:11:05,520 --> 02:11:08,639 reveal the whole of a person's movement. 3000 02:11:08,639 --> 02:11:12,229 What does that mean? 3001 02:11:12,239 --> 02:11:15,679 Surveillance is watching you throughout 3002 02:11:15,679 --> 02:11:18,320 whatever duration of time from start to 3003 02:11:18,320 --> 02:11:20,800 finish. I know every single move you've 3004 02:11:20,800 --> 02:11:25,109 made. 3005 02:11:25,119 --> 02:11:28,159 The cases are fact dependent. Camera 3006 02:11:28,159 --> 02:11:31,760 density. How many cameras 3007 02:11:31,760 --> 02:11:33,920 retention? The time the information and 3008 02:11:33,920 --> 02:11:36,800 data is kept. 3009 02:11:36,800 --> 02:11:39,760 The duration, the network reach 3010 02:11:39,760 --> 02:11:41,760 aggregation, all the components put 3011 02:11:41,760 --> 02:11:44,880 together and how the search was used can 3012 02:11:44,880 --> 02:11:55,589 matter. 3013 02:11:55,599 --> 02:11:59,760 Multiple federal and state courts have 3014 02:11:59,760 --> 02:12:02,639 rejected 3015 02:12:02,639 --> 02:12:05,440 the Fourth Amendment challenges to 3016 02:12:05,440 --> 02:12:11,199 particular limited ALPR uses 3017 02:12:11,199 --> 02:12:16,629 while warning 3018 02:12:16,639 --> 02:12:20,239 that a more pervasive system could 3019 02:12:20,239 --> 02:12:22,159 present different constitutional 3020 02:12:22,159 --> 02:12:24,639 questions. Glock says they've been 3021 02:12:24,639 --> 02:12:28,960 challenged 40 times in court over fourth 3022 02:12:28,960 --> 02:12:32,239 amendment violations or rights. I found 3023 02:12:32,239 --> 02:12:35,040 that there are about 30. I don't know. 3024 02:12:35,040 --> 02:12:38,800 Let's talk. Next slide. 3025 02:12:38,800 --> 02:12:42,790 United States vers Yang. 3026 02:12:42,800 --> 02:12:46,239 The Ninth Circuit Court. This is a 2020 3027 02:12:46,239 --> 02:12:50,320 case affirmed denial of suppression of 3028 02:12:50,320 --> 02:12:55,270 evidence, 3029 02:12:55,280 --> 02:12:58,000 but the majority expressly did not 3030 02:12:58,000 --> 02:13:01,119 decide the broader Fourth Amendment 3031 02:13:01,119 --> 02:13:04,880 question about warrantless ALPR database 3032 02:13:04,880 --> 02:13:09,920 use. It concluded Yang lacked a 3033 02:13:09,920 --> 02:13:13,119 reasonable expectation of privacy in the 3034 02:13:13,119 --> 02:13:15,920 overdue rental vehicles historical 3035 02:13:15,920 --> 02:13:18,560 location data under the facts of that 3036 02:13:18,560 --> 02:13:20,079 case. 3037 02:13:20,079 --> 02:13:23,040 I don't know the details. Apparently, he 3038 02:13:23,040 --> 02:13:25,440 owed or needed to return a rental 3039 02:13:25,440 --> 02:13:26,800 vehicle and had looked for him through 3040 02:13:26,800 --> 02:13:29,760 flock systems and whatever whatever the 3041 02:13:29,760 --> 02:13:31,760 charges were and I don't have details so 3042 02:13:31,760 --> 02:13:34,639 I can't really speculate. The important 3043 02:13:34,639 --> 02:13:36,480 thing is the evidence was not 3044 02:13:36,480 --> 02:13:46,870 suppressed. 3045 02:13:46,880 --> 02:13:49,840 The judge, Judge B, concurring 3046 02:13:49,840 --> 02:13:51,679 separately, 3047 02:13:51,679 --> 02:13:54,480 would have reached the merits, reasoning 3048 02:13:54,480 --> 02:13:57,599 that the database search did not reveal 3049 02:13:57,599 --> 02:14:02,239 the whole of Yang's physical movements. 3050 02:14:02,239 --> 02:14:04,000 So you really need to define what 3051 02:14:04,000 --> 02:14:08,390 surveillance is. 3052 02:14:08,400 --> 02:14:11,360 United States versus Jackson. This is a 3053 02:14:11,360 --> 02:14:14,400 2025 case 3054 02:14:14,400 --> 02:14:16,320 out of Kansas. 3055 02:14:16,320 --> 02:14:19,119 After an evidentiary hearing with five 3056 02:14:19,119 --> 02:14:21,360 witnesses regarding the flock system, 3057 02:14:21,360 --> 02:14:24,239 the federal district court denied 3058 02:14:24,239 --> 02:14:26,159 suppression. 3059 02:14:26,159 --> 02:14:28,960 That data was allowed to be used in 3060 02:14:28,960 --> 02:14:34,629 court. 3061 02:14:34,639 --> 02:14:37,280 Jackson found that the specific use the 3062 02:14:37,280 --> 02:14:41,360 nine points on a target vehicle during 1 3063 02:14:41,360 --> 02:14:44,800 day 4hour search period with a 30-day 3064 02:14:44,800 --> 02:14:47,280 retention 3065 02:14:47,280 --> 02:14:49,199 was far less intrusive than the 3066 02:14:49,199 --> 02:14:51,599 Carpenter Jones cases 3067 02:14:51,599 --> 02:14:54,159 style of pervasive tracking. The court 3068 02:14:54,159 --> 02:14:57,360 expressly warned that aggregation and 3069 02:14:57,360 --> 02:14:59,679 searchability 3070 02:14:59,679 --> 02:15:02,239 could reach a constitutional threshold 3071 02:15:02,239 --> 02:15:07,910 in the future. 3072 02:15:07,920 --> 02:15:10,159 » Next slide, please. 3073 02:15:10,159 --> 02:15:13,199 >> And sheriff, we have 30 30 more items 3074 02:15:13,199 --> 02:15:15,119 after to get through today. I want to be 3075 02:15:15,119 --> 02:15:19,679 respectful of your time. Can you kind of move on to some other 3076 02:15:19,679 --> 02:15:21,360 key points you want to raise other than 3077 02:15:21,360 --> 02:15:23,920 case law so we can kind of make sure we 3078 02:15:23,920 --> 02:15:25,760 get the vote while all these citizens 3079 02:15:25,760 --> 02:15:27,520 are here on this. I'm sure they're 3080 02:15:27,520 --> 02:15:29,040 anxious to hear what the court members 3081 02:15:29,040 --> 02:15:31,040 have to say, but I'm trying to balance 3082 02:15:31,040 --> 02:15:32,800 this out to try to be fair to everybody 3083 02:15:32,800 --> 02:15:34,639 and I don't want to be disrespectful and 3084 02:15:34,639 --> 02:15:36,800 cut you off, but I'm trying to be make 3085 02:15:36,800 --> 02:15:38,639 sure we get the whole agenda done today. 3086 02:15:38,639 --> 02:15:40,159 So, if you can kind of start hitting 3087 02:15:40,159 --> 02:15:41,679 your high points, that would be 3088 02:15:41,679 --> 02:15:45,990 appreciated. 3089 02:15:46,000 --> 02:15:47,679 They're all high points, judge. These 3090 02:15:47,679 --> 02:15:49,119 are all points that everybody has been 3091 02:15:49,119 --> 02:15:50,960 brought up. The fourth amendment is a 3092 02:15:50,960 --> 02:15:52,159 big one. 3093 02:15:52,159 --> 02:15:54,000 >> I think we kind of I think we got kind 3094 02:15:54,000 --> 02:15:55,199 of a nutshell on fourth amendment. 3095 02:15:55,199 --> 02:15:56,880 >> I respect your request and I'll I'll try 3096 02:15:56,880 --> 02:15:58,719 to limit this and cut it down as much as 3097 02:15:58,719 --> 02:15:59,119 I can. 3098 02:15:59,119 --> 02:15:59,760 >> Thank you, sir. 3099 02:15:59,760 --> 02:16:02,870 >> Okay. 3100 02:16:02,880 --> 02:16:05,840 » I just think this needs to be aired out 3101 02:16:05,840 --> 02:16:08,159 honestly and openly with all the 3102 02:16:08,159 --> 02:16:10,000 information, not parts of the 3103 02:16:10,000 --> 02:16:10,880 information. But 3104 02:16:10,880 --> 02:16:12,400 >> from a legal perspective, I think the 3105 02:16:12,400 --> 02:16:14,159 Fourth Amendment's 3106 02:16:14,159 --> 02:16:16,400 been clear vetted pretty good on from my 3107 02:16:16,400 --> 02:16:18,639 perspective here for the citizens and I 3108 02:16:18,639 --> 02:16:21,040 see headshake in that fourth amendment. 3109 02:16:21,040 --> 02:16:25,430 They feel good about it. 3110 02:16:25,440 --> 02:16:27,119 So to sum it up, the constitutionally 3111 02:16:27,119 --> 02:16:30,079 depends on the actual use of the system, 3112 02:16:30,079 --> 02:16:32,719 how it is used, how it is set up, all 3113 02:16:32,719 --> 02:16:36,950 the components of it. 3114 02:16:36,960 --> 02:16:38,639 Uh 3115 02:16:38,639 --> 02:16:44,469 next slide. 3116 02:16:44,479 --> 02:16:51,429 Where you going now? 3117 02:16:51,439 --> 02:16:53,679 Okay. 3118 02:16:53,679 --> 02:16:55,120 These are cases that are brought up 3119 02:16:55,120 --> 02:16:57,599 because of very recent cases. I'm just 3120 02:16:57,599 --> 02:16:58,880 going to tell you these are based on 3121 02:16:58,880 --> 02:17:01,920 cell phone information, not LPR data. So 3122 02:17:01,920 --> 02:17:04,160 when somebody tries to encompass things 3123 02:17:04,160 --> 02:17:06,479 like the geo fencing issues and the 3124 02:17:06,479 --> 02:17:08,000 things about how data is retrieved 3125 02:17:08,000 --> 02:17:10,960 through the LPR system versus how it is 3126 02:17:10,960 --> 02:17:13,760 accumulated and what cell phone data 3127 02:17:13,760 --> 02:17:15,280 gives you, it's two totally different 3128 02:17:15,280 --> 02:17:17,200 things. That's what these cases are 3129 02:17:17,200 --> 02:17:18,800 about. People are going to try to wrap 3130 02:17:18,800 --> 02:17:20,800 these cases up into the since they're so 3131 02:17:20,800 --> 02:17:22,000 recent, they're going to wrap it up and 3132 02:17:22,000 --> 02:17:25,840 say now OPR is going to be f found to be 3133 02:17:25,840 --> 02:17:27,439 in violation of the Fourth Amendment. 3134 02:17:27,439 --> 02:17:29,599 And that's not going to be the case. I'm 3135 02:17:29,599 --> 02:17:31,439 not saying it's not ever going to, don't 3136 02:17:31,439 --> 02:17:33,280 get me wrong. I'm saying based on these 3137 02:17:33,280 --> 02:17:35,519 cases, it's not. Maybe there will be a 3138 02:17:35,519 --> 02:17:39,840 case in the near future. I don't know. 3139 02:17:39,840 --> 02:17:42,160 The fact of the matter is, uh, next 3140 02:17:42,160 --> 02:17:50,870 slide. 3141 02:17:50,880 --> 02:17:54,880 The difference between the two. 3142 02:17:54,880 --> 02:17:58,479 A cell phone can accurately 3143 02:17:58,479 --> 02:18:01,280 A cell phone can accompany a person into 3144 02:18:01,280 --> 02:18:02,880 home, church, doctor's office, 3145 02:18:02,880 --> 02:18:04,960 attorney's office, bedroom, and other 3146 02:18:04,960 --> 02:18:07,760 private locations. Cell phone location 3147 02:18:07,760 --> 02:18:09,920 data can reveal intimate patterns about 3148 02:18:09,920 --> 02:18:12,479 a person about the person carrying it. A 3149 02:18:12,479 --> 02:18:15,439 fixed LPR observation is materially 3150 02:18:15,439 --> 02:18:17,200 different. 3151 02:18:17,200 --> 02:18:21,840 It states something like at 2:17 p.m. 3152 02:18:21,840 --> 02:18:23,920 this publicly displayed plate and this 3153 02:18:23,920 --> 02:18:27,040 vehicle pass this camera at this public 3154 02:18:27,040 --> 02:18:33,589 roadway. That's all it does. 3155 02:18:33,599 --> 02:18:35,519 Different does not mean constitutional 3156 02:18:35,519 --> 02:18:37,519 irrelevance. 3157 02:18:37,519 --> 02:18:39,840 It means the factual record is different 3158 02:18:39,840 --> 02:18:43,840 and the courts analyze the scope and 3159 02:18:43,840 --> 02:18:45,840 comprehensiveness of the information 3160 02:18:45,840 --> 02:18:53,669 actually obtained. Next slide. 3161 02:18:53,679 --> 02:18:56,080 So what's relevant and what's important? 3162 02:18:56,080 --> 02:18:58,160 Scale matters. 3163 02:18:58,160 --> 02:19:05,750 Retention matters. Aggregation matters. 3164 02:19:05,760 --> 02:19:10,870 Next slide. Responsible 3165 02:19:10,880 --> 02:19:13,760 law enforcement should acknowledge that 3166 02:19:13,760 --> 02:19:18,160 possibly rather than uh possibly rather 3167 02:19:18,160 --> 02:19:20,399 uh they claim that constitutional law is 3168 02:19:20,399 --> 02:19:26,070 frozen in time, things could change. 3169 02:19:26,080 --> 02:19:28,000 » Next slide. Uh Texas tracking. Let's 3170 02:19:28,000 --> 02:19:29,280 talk a little bit about that. That's 3171 02:19:29,280 --> 02:19:32,639 important to Texas. 3172 02:19:32,639 --> 02:19:35,120 the tracking in Texas. A fixed LPR is 3173 02:19:35,120 --> 02:19:37,840 not a tracker. 3174 02:19:37,840 --> 02:19:39,280 People think that we're going to be able 3175 02:19:39,280 --> 02:19:41,840 to follow you around with these LPRs. We 3176 02:19:41,840 --> 02:19:44,960 cannot. It's a still shot of a location 3177 02:19:44,960 --> 02:19:48,160 in time of the vehicle passing that uh 3178 02:19:48,160 --> 02:19:51,359 field of view. 3179 02:19:51,359 --> 02:19:54,399 Next slide. 3180 02:19:54,399 --> 02:20:07,910 Again, that's all this thing does. 3181 02:20:07,920 --> 02:20:10,560 qualification. Uh the qualifying remains 3182 02:20:10,560 --> 02:20:12,160 the qualification remains that the 3183 02:20:12,160 --> 02:20:14,560 constitutional analysis can change 3184 02:20:14,560 --> 02:20:16,160 technology 3185 02:20:16,160 --> 02:20:18,800 scale retention and use changes. Next 3186 02:20:18,800 --> 02:20:21,040 slide. 3187 02:20:21,040 --> 02:20:24,640 Data sharing contract. 3188 02:20:24,640 --> 02:20:27,600 Does Flock sell customer ALPR? I've 3189 02:20:27,600 --> 02:20:30,399 heard it said here that they do. I don't 3190 02:20:30,399 --> 02:20:32,000 know if they have any proof to say that 3191 02:20:32,000 --> 02:20:34,800 they do, but nobody yet, no journalist 3192 02:20:34,800 --> 02:20:36,319 anywhere in the country has found 3193 02:20:36,319 --> 02:20:39,600 anywhere that fly camera law enforcement 3194 02:20:39,600 --> 02:20:42,080 data has been sold to anybody. If you 3195 02:20:42,080 --> 02:20:44,399 have proof of that, please show me. I 3196 02:20:44,399 --> 02:20:46,000 would like to see it. If you know 3197 02:20:46,000 --> 02:20:47,840 somebody that that's happened to, please 3198 02:20:47,840 --> 02:20:50,800 let me know. Now, if you get it off the 3199 02:20:50,800 --> 02:20:52,720 internet, I would be very careful about 3200 02:20:52,720 --> 02:21:00,469 what you find on the internet. 3201 02:21:00,479 --> 02:21:02,560 block currently their policy states that 3202 02:21:02,560 --> 02:21:05,359 their that customer LPR data is owned by 3203 02:21:05,359 --> 02:21:07,600 the customer. We are the customer and 3204 02:21:07,600 --> 02:21:11,040 that Flock will not sell, publish, 3205 02:21:11,040 --> 02:21:14,000 exchange or disclose customer LPR data 3206 02:21:14,000 --> 02:21:16,720 for commercial purposes. 3207 02:21:16,720 --> 02:21:20,950 That's contractual. 3208 02:21:20,960 --> 02:21:22,800 How many contracts do you sign in faith 3209 02:21:22,800 --> 02:21:24,399 believing that the other person is going 3210 02:21:24,399 --> 02:21:30,710 to do what they do? 3211 02:21:30,720 --> 02:21:33,359 Next slide. 3212 02:21:33,359 --> 02:21:35,359 While we're here talking about selling, 3213 02:21:35,359 --> 02:21:37,920 another big thing is about hacking. A 3214 02:21:37,920 --> 02:21:41,600 12-year-old can hack into these things. 3215 02:21:41,600 --> 02:21:45,830 And you're right, 3216 02:21:45,840 --> 02:21:51,030 not the not the ALPRs. 3217 02:21:51,040 --> 02:21:54,399 But the video cameras that they supply 3218 02:21:54,399 --> 02:21:57,600 have been hacked. So have others. 3219 02:21:57,600 --> 02:21:59,280 You've seen it on YouTube. The guy gets 3220 02:21:59,280 --> 02:22:00,880 on say, "See how easy it is to hack this 3221 02:22:00,880 --> 02:22:02,960 camera up there? That flop camera. I get 3222 02:22:02,960 --> 02:22:05,439 on my tablet here. I get on my phone. I 3223 02:22:05,439 --> 02:22:07,040 put in whatever information he does. I'm 3224 02:22:07,040 --> 02:22:08,880 not a tech person. I don't know." And he 3225 02:22:08,880 --> 02:22:11,280 watches himself cross the intersection. 3226 02:22:11,280 --> 02:22:19,590 Yes, he has compromised that system. 3227 02:22:19,600 --> 02:22:22,800 But the ALPR system has not been hacked. 3228 02:22:22,800 --> 02:22:24,800 It has not been compromised. How do I 3229 02:22:24,800 --> 02:22:27,990 know that? 3230 02:22:28,000 --> 02:22:29,680 Because it's integrated with the state 3231 02:22:29,680 --> 02:22:33,520 system. TCIC, NCIC, that's where all 3232 02:22:33,520 --> 02:22:35,920 stolen vehicles are entered for national 3233 02:22:35,920 --> 02:22:38,319 data and Texas data. Stolen vehicles, 3234 02:22:38,319 --> 02:22:40,720 missing persons, the the Amber Alerts, 3235 02:22:40,720 --> 02:22:44,399 all that stuff is in that system. 3236 02:22:44,399 --> 02:22:46,000 If the flock system is hacked through 3237 02:22:46,000 --> 02:22:47,840 the ALPR system, that whole system goes 3238 02:22:47,840 --> 02:22:50,319 down. 3239 02:22:50,319 --> 02:22:54,080 It has never been compromised. 3240 02:22:54,080 --> 02:22:55,680 If you know that it has, I don't know 3241 02:22:55,680 --> 02:22:57,680 how you know that, but it has not been 3242 02:22:57,680 --> 02:23:02,710 compromised. 3243 02:23:02,720 --> 02:23:05,840 Even in that system, it is not a perfect 3244 02:23:05,840 --> 02:23:08,000 world. 3245 02:23:08,000 --> 02:23:10,800 I can tell you I have put people in jail 3246 02:23:10,800 --> 02:23:13,280 that probably didn't deserve to go to 3247 02:23:13,280 --> 02:23:15,760 jail. 3248 02:23:15,760 --> 02:23:18,720 because it was misidentifiers. 3249 02:23:18,720 --> 02:23:22,000 People make mistakes. There are houses 3250 02:23:22,000 --> 02:23:24,000 that have been broken in not broken into 3251 02:23:24,000 --> 02:23:27,120 but uh law enforcement has breached uh 3252 02:23:27,120 --> 02:23:31,990 front doors at the wrong address. 3253 02:23:32,000 --> 02:23:34,720 We are all human here. 3254 02:23:34,720 --> 02:23:41,670 We make mistakes. 3255 02:23:41,680 --> 02:23:43,359 But I can tell you the system has not 3256 02:23:43,359 --> 02:23:47,359 been hacked. The video cameras, yes, 3257 02:23:47,359 --> 02:23:50,479 but they're not part of the ALPR 3258 02:23:50,479 --> 02:23:53,200 system. That technology is out there. 3259 02:23:53,200 --> 02:23:54,960 I'm telling you guys, yes, I'm scared of 3260 02:23:54,960 --> 02:23:57,760 AI. I'm scared of where this country is 3261 02:23:57,760 --> 02:23:59,520 going and the possibilities of bad 3262 02:23:59,520 --> 02:24:04,710 people getting good technology. 3263 02:24:04,720 --> 02:24:06,720 The system has not been hacked. Nobody 3264 02:24:06,720 --> 02:24:11,110 has been able to prove so. 3265 02:24:11,120 --> 02:24:14,469 Next slide. 3266 02:24:14,479 --> 02:24:16,880 It's absolutely important that we are 3267 02:24:16,880 --> 02:24:18,720 able to share this information with our 3268 02:24:18,720 --> 02:24:21,120 neighbors. We are going to be given 3269 02:24:21,120 --> 02:24:26,560 control. And I'm going to get out out of out of sequence here um 3270 02:24:26,560 --> 02:24:29,840 to try to um move these things on, but 3271 02:24:29,840 --> 02:24:38,389 there are a lot of relevant points here. 3272 02:24:38,399 --> 02:24:42,800 A written policy. Next slide please. 3273 02:24:42,800 --> 02:24:44,640 But a written policy is not enough of 3274 02:24:44,640 --> 02:24:47,920 actual platforms and setting uh settings 3275 02:24:47,920 --> 02:24:50,080 different from it. The public the public 3276 02:24:50,080 --> 02:24:53,280 confidence should rest on policy that is 3277 02:24:53,280 --> 02:24:56,080 established. Um actual sharing 3278 02:24:56,080 --> 02:24:59,680 configuration and auditing logs. 3279 02:24:59,680 --> 02:25:02,479 Our public page says says access is 3280 02:25:02,479 --> 02:25:04,960 restricted, excuse me, is restricted to 3281 02:25:04,960 --> 02:25:06,880 automated personnel for legitimate law 3282 02:25:06,880 --> 02:25:09,760 enforcement purposes and all searches 3283 02:25:09,760 --> 02:25:12,160 are logged and subject to audit. Our 3284 02:25:12,160 --> 02:25:14,560 policy is not finite yet. The reason 3285 02:25:14,560 --> 02:25:17,120 it's not finite and it will be finite is 3286 02:25:17,120 --> 02:25:19,280 because Flock also just came out with 3287 02:25:19,280 --> 02:25:21,200 some new safeguards that we haven't been 3288 02:25:21,200 --> 02:25:23,040 able to implement. One of the problems 3289 02:25:23,040 --> 02:25:24,720 with the system that we have here, one 3290 02:25:24,720 --> 02:25:26,080 of the reasons you got your discount 3291 02:25:26,080 --> 02:25:30,800 today is because Flock was not able to 3292 02:25:30,800 --> 02:25:33,280 put in all the cameras as as as the 3293 02:25:33,280 --> 02:25:34,720 contract stated. So, they gave us a 3294 02:25:34,720 --> 02:25:36,560 little discount. 3295 02:25:36,560 --> 02:25:37,920 One of the concerns about the 3296 02:25:37,920 --> 02:25:40,880 surveillance thing 3297 02:25:40,880 --> 02:25:45,280 is about where bad people go. 3298 02:25:45,280 --> 02:25:47,200 How do they come into this county? And 3299 02:25:47,200 --> 02:25:49,680 when they're here, where do they go? We 3300 02:25:49,680 --> 02:25:51,600 have strategically located the camera 3301 02:25:51,600 --> 02:25:54,560 system to some uh identification. You 3302 02:25:54,560 --> 02:25:55,920 can't go anywhere in this county without 3303 02:25:55,920 --> 02:25:59,429 being flocked. 3304 02:25:59,439 --> 02:26:00,960 There's a reason why the cameras are in 3305 02:26:00,960 --> 02:26:03,680 those certain locations. 662 square 3306 02:26:03,680 --> 02:26:08,870 miles of Kendall County. 54 3307 02:26:08,880 --> 02:26:11,920 ALPRs. We've got 3308 02:26:11,920 --> 02:26:15,760 >> 57. Well, two of those are are are not 3309 02:26:15,760 --> 02:26:20,000 ALPRs. Uh they're on this courthouse. 3310 02:26:20,000 --> 02:26:22,479 Um 3311 02:26:22,479 --> 02:26:24,640 where was I going with that? The the the 3312 02:26:24,640 --> 02:26:28,560 662 square miles and 54 3313 02:26:28,560 --> 02:26:30,800 ALPRs. 3314 02:26:30,800 --> 02:26:32,160 Are you going to tell me that I can tell 3315 02:26:32,160 --> 02:26:34,080 you every single move you made with 54 3316 02:26:34,080 --> 02:26:36,720 cameras and 662 square miles? 3317 02:26:36,720 --> 02:26:38,240 Impossible. 3318 02:26:38,240 --> 02:26:39,920 I will know if you go through this 3319 02:26:39,920 --> 02:26:41,680 camera and I will know if you go through 3320 02:26:41,680 --> 02:26:43,439 this camera. 3321 02:26:43,439 --> 02:26:44,800 And I will never know that you go 3322 02:26:44,800 --> 02:26:46,560 through those cameras if I have no 3323 02:26:46,560 --> 02:26:48,560 reason to find out your vehicle was 3324 02:26:48,560 --> 02:26:50,160 involved in anything or look for your 3325 02:26:50,160 --> 02:26:53,439 vehicle. I will never know that. I don't 3326 02:26:53,439 --> 02:26:57,600 care where you go. I don't care. Why 3327 02:26:57,600 --> 02:27:02,070 would I care if you go to Walmart? 3328 02:27:02,080 --> 02:27:04,000 Your doctor, 3329 02:27:04,000 --> 02:27:06,720 that's not a concern for me. I'm not 3330 02:27:06,720 --> 02:27:09,200 looking for that information. You are 3331 02:27:09,200 --> 02:27:11,840 good people. I hope you think that I'm a 3332 02:27:11,840 --> 02:27:13,520 good sheriff. 3333 02:27:13,520 --> 02:27:15,760 I'm looking for those people, the small 3334 02:27:15,760 --> 02:27:18,399 percentage of all those people that are 3335 02:27:18,399 --> 02:27:22,319 on that system that have done bad deeds 3336 02:27:22,319 --> 02:27:24,160 in this community. Those are the people 3337 02:27:24,160 --> 02:27:27,200 I'm after. I'm not after you. I don't 3338 02:27:27,200 --> 02:27:33,590 care where you go, where you've been. 3339 02:27:33,600 --> 02:27:37,349 Next slide, please. 3340 02:27:37,359 --> 02:27:39,439 Misuse and error been brought it many 3341 02:27:39,439 --> 02:27:41,840 times. Let me just sum this up real 3342 02:27:41,840 --> 02:27:45,110 quick. 3343 02:27:45,120 --> 02:27:47,200 We're human 3344 02:27:47,200 --> 02:27:50,240 and we're going to screw up. I tell my 3345 02:27:50,240 --> 02:27:57,030 people this. I expect you to screw up. 3346 02:27:57,040 --> 02:27:57,920 You're going to have to make some 3347 02:27:57,920 --> 02:27:59,359 serious decisions and they're not always 3348 02:27:59,359 --> 02:28:02,640 going to be the right decision. 3349 02:28:02,640 --> 02:28:04,399 You're going to screw up and you're 3350 02:28:04,399 --> 02:28:06,000 going to face the consequences of that 3351 02:28:06,000 --> 02:28:08,960 action or that decision. The difference 3352 02:28:08,960 --> 02:28:11,680 is if that screw up is done with malice, 3353 02:28:11,680 --> 02:28:14,000 that changes everything. 3354 02:28:14,000 --> 02:28:15,920 If it's an honest mistake, it's an 3355 02:28:15,920 --> 02:28:17,680 honest mistake. Let's learn from it. 3356 02:28:17,680 --> 02:28:19,920 Let's grow from it. Let's move on. If 3357 02:28:19,920 --> 02:28:22,000 you do something intentional, we got a 3358 02:28:22,000 --> 02:28:24,319 problem. That's the way this system 3359 02:28:24,319 --> 02:28:26,000 should be handled. It's going to be 3360 02:28:26,000 --> 02:28:28,399 misused. You want to bring out all the 3361 02:28:28,399 --> 02:28:30,880 bad people abroad. Police chiefs, yes. 3362 02:28:30,880 --> 02:28:38,309 Sheriffs, yes. 3363 02:28:38,319 --> 02:28:40,240 There have to be consequences. There 3364 02:28:40,240 --> 02:28:42,160 have to be policies in place. There have 3365 02:28:42,160 --> 02:28:44,560 to be rules and regulations of how the 3366 02:28:44,560 --> 02:28:47,359 system is used 3367 02:28:47,359 --> 02:28:50,800 to keep those things from being misused. 3368 02:28:50,800 --> 02:28:52,399 I remember seeing months ago, long 3369 02:28:52,399 --> 02:28:55,040 before this rose to the level that is 3370 02:28:55,040 --> 02:28:57,520 risen to. You heard the example this 3371 02:28:57,520 --> 02:29:00,080 morning, the Denver lady. The Denver 3372 02:29:00,080 --> 02:29:01,840 lady falsely accused of stealing a 3373 02:29:01,840 --> 02:29:09,990 package. 3374 02:29:10,000 --> 02:29:12,479 I saw that interview on the body cam or 3375 02:29:12,479 --> 02:29:15,359 her ring cam. 3376 02:29:15,359 --> 02:29:17,920 That was bad police work, people. I'm 3377 02:29:17,920 --> 02:29:22,960 sorry. That was bad police work. 3378 02:29:22,960 --> 02:29:24,800 Long before this this came to the level 3379 02:29:24,800 --> 02:29:27,120 that it is today with all the concerns 3380 02:29:27,120 --> 02:29:29,920 about the misuses and things. Bear 3381 02:29:29,920 --> 02:29:38,319 County deputy uses a flock system and he catches a guy catches a guy. He profiles a guy, I suppose, and uh 3382 02:29:38,319 --> 02:29:40,800 stops him on the side of the road and 3383 02:29:40,800 --> 02:29:43,040 yeah, this guy's in the oil and gas 3384 02:29:43,040 --> 02:29:44,640 business. 3385 02:29:44,640 --> 02:29:46,960 Got a child seat in his car in his 3386 02:29:46,960 --> 02:29:49,600 truck. goes back and forth to South 3387 02:29:49,600 --> 02:29:54,240 Texas regularly, several times a week. 3388 02:29:54,240 --> 02:29:58,710 What's in South Texas? 3389 02:29:58,720 --> 02:30:00,319 » Yeah, oil and gas. What else is in South 3390 02:30:00,319 --> 02:30:04,640 Texas? Drugs and money. Bad things. So, 3391 02:30:04,640 --> 02:30:07,040 this guy does an interview and takes his 3392 02:30:07,040 --> 02:30:08,800 guy and empties his truck out on the 3393 02:30:08,800 --> 02:30:10,560 side of the road. I listened to that 3394 02:30:10,560 --> 02:30:15,120 interview. That was bad policing. 3395 02:30:15,120 --> 02:30:18,080 We have them. We're just like you and 3396 02:30:18,080 --> 02:30:20,720 we're not perfect. 3397 02:30:20,720 --> 02:30:22,720 We put on our pants and our shoes and 3398 02:30:22,720 --> 02:30:24,560 our shirts, get up in the morning, we 3399 02:30:24,560 --> 02:30:25,920 deal with everything that you deal with 3400 02:30:25,920 --> 02:30:29,280 on a daily basis. We're only human. So, 3401 02:30:29,280 --> 02:30:31,760 yes, there is misuse and errors can 3402 02:30:31,760 --> 02:30:37,120 happen. I put people in jail to for for not paying a speeding ticket. I 3403 02:30:37,120 --> 02:30:38,399 can't tell you how many times I did 3404 02:30:38,399 --> 02:30:41,750 this. 3405 02:30:41,760 --> 02:30:43,280 Oh, I thought my attorney took care of 3406 02:30:43,280 --> 02:30:45,439 that. 3407 02:30:45,439 --> 02:30:47,120 Maybe you need to do your own homework 3408 02:30:47,120 --> 02:30:48,560 and make sure your attorney did take 3409 02:30:48,560 --> 02:30:51,280 care of that. 3410 02:30:51,280 --> 02:30:54,240 Mistakes do happen. Let's talk about 3411 02:30:54,240 --> 02:30:56,240 police and and since it's so emphasized 3412 02:30:56,240 --> 02:30:58,720 right now about about cops, I'm going to 3413 02:30:58,720 --> 02:31:00,240 defend law enforcement for just a little 3414 02:31:00,240 --> 02:31:02,880 bit here because it's relevant and it's 3415 02:31:02,880 --> 02:31:05,990 important. 3416 02:31:06,000 --> 02:31:08,960 We trust so many people with so many 3417 02:31:08,960 --> 02:31:11,680 things in our daily lives. 3418 02:31:11,680 --> 02:31:14,240 We trust teachers to teach our kids. We 3419 02:31:14,240 --> 02:31:16,399 trust the doctors to treat us to the 3420 02:31:16,399 --> 02:31:17,840 best of their ability and give us their 3421 02:31:17,840 --> 02:31:20,160 best give us the best prognosis and 3422 02:31:20,160 --> 02:31:22,720 treatment. 3423 02:31:22,720 --> 02:31:25,359 We trust law enforcement to go out and 3424 02:31:25,359 --> 02:31:27,520 do the right things. 3425 02:31:27,520 --> 02:31:33,910 We trust clergy. 3426 02:31:33,920 --> 02:31:35,760 How many stories, negative stories have 3427 02:31:35,760 --> 02:31:37,520 you heard about all of these professions 3428 02:31:37,520 --> 02:31:40,160 of people that we put trust in? Let me 3429 02:31:40,160 --> 02:31:42,960 tell you, here in Kendall County, 3430 02:31:42,960 --> 02:31:47,200 if you don't know, we've had attorneys, 3431 02:31:47,200 --> 02:31:48,720 lawyers, 3432 02:31:48,720 --> 02:31:53,120 doctors, and yes, teachers in this jail. 3433 02:31:53,120 --> 02:31:59,349 And yes, police officers in this jail. 3434 02:31:59,359 --> 02:32:01,600 People need to suffer the consequences 3435 02:32:01,600 --> 02:32:04,479 when they misuse and abuse the authority 3436 02:32:04,479 --> 02:32:13,750 that's been given them. 3437 02:32:13,760 --> 02:32:20,150 Next slide, please. 3438 02:32:20,160 --> 02:32:21,439 We can talk about all the different 3439 02:32:21,439 --> 02:32:22,560 audits that have been done throughout 3440 02:32:22,560 --> 02:32:24,640 the country. The bad is people misuse 3441 02:32:24,640 --> 02:32:27,439 it. The good is the auditing systems are 3442 02:32:27,439 --> 02:32:30,479 catching these people. Now, 3443 02:32:30,479 --> 02:32:32,160 this you can find all the stories on the 3444 02:32:32,160 --> 02:32:34,000 internet about that. Savannah, Georgia 3445 02:32:34,000 --> 02:32:40,550 is one example. Um, next slide, please. 3446 02:32:40,560 --> 02:32:43,520 Next slide. 3447 02:32:43,520 --> 02:32:45,920 So misconduct understand is not a 3448 02:32:45,920 --> 02:32:48,000 technology problem. It is a human 3449 02:32:48,000 --> 02:32:51,030 problem. 3450 02:32:51,040 --> 02:32:53,840 Next slide. 3451 02:32:53,840 --> 02:32:55,359 The Denver case mentioned earlier about 3452 02:32:55,359 --> 02:32:57,600 the package. That is bad policing. 3453 02:32:57,600 --> 02:33:00,479 That's human error. Bad training on that 3454 02:33:00,479 --> 02:33:03,280 guy. 3455 02:33:03,280 --> 02:33:06,160 Next slide please. 3456 02:33:06,160 --> 02:33:07,840 Part of the whole system needs to be 3457 02:33:07,840 --> 02:33:11,190 verification. 3458 02:33:11,200 --> 02:33:12,960 Has to be part of the policy. What is 3459 02:33:12,960 --> 02:33:14,880 verification? Verification is you get a 3460 02:33:14,880 --> 02:33:16,560 hit, 3461 02:33:16,560 --> 02:33:19,840 you don't act on a flock hit because it 3462 02:33:19,840 --> 02:33:22,560 could be wrong. 3463 02:33:22,560 --> 02:33:24,240 Had one of my guys, and I don't know if 3464 02:33:24,240 --> 02:33:25,359 you're doing it, one of my guys last 3465 02:33:25,359 --> 02:33:27,600 night told me that he put his license 3466 02:33:27,600 --> 02:33:30,160 plate in this have you been flocked 3467 02:33:30,160 --> 02:33:32,399 website thing, which I be careful if you 3468 02:33:32,399 --> 02:33:34,000 do that. I don't know you can trust it. 3469 02:33:34,000 --> 02:33:35,439 People can come up with all kinds of 3470 02:33:35,439 --> 02:33:38,000 things, but he is wanted in Florida. His 3471 02:33:38,000 --> 02:33:40,880 license plate is he's afraid to go to to 3472 02:33:40,880 --> 02:33:42,640 Florida because he that license plate's 3473 02:33:42,640 --> 02:33:43,680 going to come up when it goes through a 3474 02:33:43,680 --> 02:33:46,240 flock and he's going to get stopped. 3475 02:33:46,240 --> 02:33:48,800 Well, you know what? 3476 02:33:48,800 --> 02:33:51,040 There's a lot that goes into just 3477 02:33:51,040 --> 02:33:57,510 stopping somebody based on a flock hit. 3478 02:33:57,520 --> 02:33:59,040 There's a lot more that needs to go into 3479 02:33:59,040 --> 02:34:01,200 that. Good policing takes it steps 3480 02:34:01,200 --> 02:34:03,680 further and deeper. 3481 02:34:03,680 --> 02:34:05,520 to find out the reality. Verify 3482 02:34:05,520 --> 02:34:07,200 everything that you know without even 3483 02:34:07,200 --> 02:34:09,359 talking to the person or stopping them. 3484 02:34:09,359 --> 02:34:11,359 You verify everything first through 3485 02:34:11,359 --> 02:34:13,680 dispatch or your computer. Is it that 3486 02:34:13,680 --> 02:34:15,200 vehicle? Is that the vehicle that 3487 02:34:15,200 --> 02:34:18,240 matches that that hit? 3488 02:34:18,240 --> 02:34:21,680 Is it the right state? All these things. 3489 02:34:21,680 --> 02:34:27,590 That's good police work. 3490 02:34:27,600 --> 02:34:39,429 Next slide, please. 3491 02:34:39,439 --> 02:34:44,870 Next slide. 3492 02:34:44,880 --> 02:34:47,680 » What slide number you on? 3493 02:34:47,680 --> 02:34:48,399 >> I'm sorry. 3494 02:34:48,399 --> 02:34:51,040 >> 51. 3495 02:34:51,040 --> 02:34:53,120 >> Okay, thank you. Let's take it down to 3496 02:34:53,120 --> 02:34:56,080 52. 3497 02:34:56,080 --> 02:34:57,760 Let's talk about Texas. What's going on 3498 02:34:57,760 --> 02:35:04,230 here? 3499 02:35:04,240 --> 02:35:08,319 Texas DPS Department of Public Safety 3500 02:35:08,319 --> 02:35:10,560 has installed ALPRs on state highway, 3501 02:35:10,560 --> 02:35:13,280 state rideways, and describes their uses 3502 02:35:13,280 --> 02:35:15,359 involving suspects, missing people, 3503 02:35:15,359 --> 02:35:17,120 stolen property, suspicious vehicles, 3504 02:35:17,120 --> 02:35:20,080 and investigative timelines. 3505 02:35:20,080 --> 02:35:23,120 The Texas Tribune reported on August 3rd 3506 02:35:23,120 --> 02:35:26,800 of this month described that DPS flock 3507 02:35:26,800 --> 02:35:29,200 contract 3508 02:35:29,200 --> 02:35:35,990 of up to approximately $26 million 3509 02:35:36,000 --> 02:35:37,920 and statewide data sharing agreement 3510 02:35:37,920 --> 02:35:40,160 with 206 county and local law 3511 02:35:40,160 --> 02:35:43,040 enforcement agencies. 3512 02:35:43,040 --> 02:35:45,040 DPS has made an investment in this 3513 02:35:45,040 --> 02:35:47,760 system. 3514 02:35:47,760 --> 02:35:50,720 Now, are they the golden child? Are they 3515 02:35:50,720 --> 02:35:55,510 the be all end all? No. 3516 02:35:55,520 --> 02:35:58,240 But if they lead by example, it might be 3517 02:35:58,240 --> 02:35:59,840 that what they are doing might be the 3518 02:35:59,840 --> 02:36:01,439 right thing and it might be the right 3519 02:36:01,439 --> 02:36:07,270 tool. 3520 02:36:07,280 --> 02:36:13,190 Point is this is not going away. 3521 02:36:13,200 --> 02:36:18,389 It's not going away. 3522 02:36:18,399 --> 02:36:20,160 So 3523 02:36:20,160 --> 02:36:23,120 let's harness it and use it the way it 3524 02:36:23,120 --> 02:36:27,030 should be used. 3525 02:36:27,040 --> 02:36:36,309 allow us to have that tool. 3526 02:36:36,319 --> 02:36:37,840 The system should not be abused. 3527 02:36:37,840 --> 02:36:39,520 Policies and procedures need to be in 3528 02:36:39,520 --> 02:36:44,630 place. 3529 02:36:44,640 --> 02:36:47,040 Users held accountable. 3530 02:36:47,040 --> 02:36:49,200 Limited access. All these things need to 3531 02:36:49,200 --> 02:36:51,200 be in place. Not anybody and everybody 3532 02:36:51,200 --> 02:36:53,840 has access to it. 3533 02:36:53,840 --> 02:36:55,280 All those things need to be determined. 3534 02:36:55,280 --> 02:37:02,070 It needs to be transparent to you. 3535 02:37:02,080 --> 02:37:04,960 I'm not hiding anything from you. 3536 02:37:04,960 --> 02:37:06,560 I may not be able to give you specifics 3537 02:37:06,560 --> 02:37:09,040 about certain cases, 3538 02:37:09,040 --> 02:37:16,630 but I work for you. 3539 02:37:16,640 --> 02:37:18,880 We have to have teeth and safeguards 3540 02:37:18,880 --> 02:37:21,760 have to be consequences. 3541 02:37:21,760 --> 02:37:24,000 Slide 3542 02:37:24,000 --> 02:37:25,680 60. As I as I mentioned earlier, if you 3543 02:37:25,680 --> 02:37:28,240 want to go to slide 60, please. 3544 02:37:28,240 --> 02:37:31,120 Um, and we're almost through, 3545 02:37:31,120 --> 02:37:35,590 but I have a I have a good thing here. 3546 02:37:35,600 --> 02:37:37,120 Flock has announced some safeguards. 3547 02:37:37,120 --> 02:37:38,319 They just came out within the last 3548 02:37:38,319 --> 02:37:40,640 couple of weeks. We haven't had a chance 3549 02:37:40,640 --> 02:37:42,800 to to really implicate all that stuff or 3550 02:37:42,800 --> 02:37:48,630 implement all that stuff, excuse me. Um, 3551 02:37:48,640 --> 02:37:50,399 but our policy is going to be updated 3552 02:37:50,399 --> 02:37:53,120 and I can I can I can uh guarantee you 3553 02:37:53,120 --> 02:37:54,800 that it will be open for you to see our 3554 02:37:54,800 --> 02:37:57,920 policy if you want to and it will be 3555 02:37:57,920 --> 02:37:59,439 restricted 3556 02:37:59,439 --> 02:38:12,309 on how the system is used. 3557 02:38:12,319 --> 02:38:16,800 Slide 61, please. Here 3558 02:38:16,800 --> 02:38:23,190 we go. 3559 02:38:23,200 --> 02:38:26,640 This is all over the internet. 3560 02:38:26,640 --> 02:38:32,630 One of our founding fathers 3561 02:38:32,640 --> 02:38:35,120 that helped put together that document 3562 02:38:35,120 --> 02:38:36,800 we call the Constitution of the United 3563 02:38:36,800 --> 02:38:39,520 States. 3564 02:38:39,520 --> 02:38:52,070 Next slide, please. 3565 02:38:52,080 --> 02:38:55,040 It's famous warning. 3566 02:38:55,040 --> 02:38:57,120 Benjamin Franklin's warning is 3567 02:38:57,120 --> 02:39:00,160 frequently quoted in discussions about 3568 02:39:00,160 --> 02:39:02,960 flock cameras. 3569 02:39:02,960 --> 02:39:05,359 Those 3570 02:39:05,359 --> 02:39:08,720 who would give up essential liberty 3571 02:39:08,720 --> 02:39:12,399 to purchase a little temporary safety 3572 02:39:12,399 --> 02:39:16,399 deserve neither liberty or safety. 3573 02:39:16,399 --> 02:39:20,960 Powerful. 3574 02:39:20,960 --> 02:39:23,439 Let's put it in context. 3575 02:39:23,439 --> 02:39:25,040 When did he write that? Why did he write 3576 02:39:25,040 --> 02:39:29,349 it? 3577 02:39:29,359 --> 02:39:33,910 Next slide. 3578 02:39:33,920 --> 02:39:35,520 It's a powerful statement, but its 3579 02:39:35,520 --> 02:39:38,080 historical context matters. Franklin was 3580 02:39:38,080 --> 02:39:39,600 not writing about surveillance or 3581 02:39:39,600 --> 02:39:42,960 warning that every public safety measure 3582 02:39:42,960 --> 02:39:47,830 represents a surrender of freedom. 3583 02:39:47,840 --> 02:39:50,479 The quotation appeared in 1755 as 3584 02:39:50,479 --> 02:39:55,830 mentioned earlier accurately 3585 02:39:55,840 --> 02:39:58,160 response from Pennsylvania's elected 3586 02:39:58,160 --> 02:40:00,240 assembly of which Ben Franklin was a 3587 02:40:00,240 --> 02:40:02,080 member. 3588 02:40:02,080 --> 02:40:04,960 During the French and Indian War, 3589 02:40:04,960 --> 02:40:07,120 frontier communities were being attacked 3590 02:40:07,120 --> 02:40:08,960 and the assembly needed money for 3591 02:40:08,960 --> 02:40:12,469 defense. 3592 02:40:12,479 --> 02:40:15,600 It proposed a property tax that would 3593 02:40:15,600 --> 02:40:18,640 apply throughout the colony, including 3594 02:40:18,640 --> 02:40:21,040 to the enormous estates owned by the 3595 02:40:21,040 --> 02:40:23,359 Penn family, who didn't even live there. 3596 02:40:23,359 --> 02:40:26,640 They were in England. 3597 02:40:26,640 --> 02:40:28,720 The Penn family controlled the colony's 3598 02:40:28,720 --> 02:40:30,640 governor 3599 02:40:30,640 --> 02:40:32,960 and instructed him to not approve any 3600 02:40:32,960 --> 02:40:36,880 bill that taxed their property. 3601 02:40:36,880 --> 02:40:38,560 The governor therefore rejected the 3602 02:40:38,560 --> 02:40:41,280 assembly's defense bills unless the pen 3603 02:40:41,280 --> 02:40:44,880 estates were exempted. 3604 02:40:44,880 --> 02:40:46,720 The elected representatives were being 3605 02:40:46,720 --> 02:40:49,439 pressured to surrender part of their 3606 02:40:49,439 --> 02:40:52,640 governing authority in order to obtain 3607 02:40:52,640 --> 02:40:58,230 immediate defense funding. 3608 02:40:58,240 --> 02:41:00,240 That governing authority was the 3609 02:41:00,240 --> 02:41:02,640 essential liberty 3610 02:41:02,640 --> 02:41:04,640 Franklin was defending. The little 3611 02:41:04,640 --> 02:41:06,720 temporary safety was the immediate 3612 02:41:06,720 --> 02:41:08,880 protection the colony could obtain by 3613 02:41:08,880 --> 02:41:10,720 allowing a wealthy and politically 3614 02:41:10,720 --> 02:41:13,439 powerful family to escape the same tax 3615 02:41:13,439 --> 02:41:16,800 everyone else would pay. 3616 02:41:16,800 --> 02:41:20,080 The Penn family. Next slide, please. 3617 02:41:20,080 --> 02:41:22,319 The Penn family's 3618 02:41:22,319 --> 02:41:24,080 5,000B 3619 02:41:24,080 --> 02:41:26,800 contribution came shortly afterward. 3620 02:41:26,800 --> 02:41:28,479 Franklin's statement was issued on 3621 02:41:28,479 --> 02:41:31,200 November 11th, 1755, and the 3622 02:41:31,200 --> 02:41:33,760 contribution was announced on November 3623 02:41:33,760 --> 02:41:37,359 24th. The eventual law exempted the Penn 3624 02:41:37,359 --> 02:41:39,840 estates from taxation and consideration 3625 02:41:39,840 --> 02:41:42,399 of that contribution. 3626 02:41:42,399 --> 02:41:45,200 In practical terms, depends if paid once 3627 02:41:45,200 --> 02:41:47,520 while preserving their claim that the 3628 02:41:47,520 --> 02:41:49,840 elected assembly could not tax them in 3629 02:41:49,840 --> 02:41:52,399 the future. 3630 02:41:52,399 --> 02:41:55,120 Next slide. How does this apply to flot 3631 02:41:55,120 --> 02:41:58,230 cameras? 3632 02:41:58,240 --> 02:42:00,479 It does not automatically settle the 3633 02:42:00,479 --> 02:42:03,439 argument for either side. 3634 02:42:03,439 --> 02:42:05,439 Franklin's principle requires us to 3635 02:42:05,439 --> 02:42:08,479 identify the essential liberty allegedly 3636 02:42:08,479 --> 02:42:10,880 being surrendered, explain how it's 3637 02:42:10,880 --> 02:42:12,720 being surrendered, and determine whether 3638 02:42:12,720 --> 02:42:15,040 the public is permanently losing control 3639 02:42:15,040 --> 02:42:18,640 over its government. 3640 02:42:18,640 --> 02:42:21,910 Next slide. 3641 02:42:21,920 --> 02:42:23,760 Legitimate questions about flock should 3642 02:42:23,760 --> 02:42:26,640 be answered clearly. 3643 02:42:26,640 --> 02:42:29,280 Who may use the system? What constitutes 3644 02:42:29,280 --> 02:42:32,640 a lawful enforcement purpose? How long 3645 02:42:32,640 --> 02:42:35,520 is the information retained? How is 3646 02:42:35,520 --> 02:42:38,479 information shared? Are searches 3647 02:42:38,479 --> 02:42:41,200 recorded and audited? 3648 02:42:41,200 --> 02:42:43,439 What happens when someone misuses the 3649 02:42:43,439 --> 02:42:46,319 system? 3650 02:42:46,319 --> 02:42:48,240 There are serious questions and they 3651 02:42:48,240 --> 02:42:51,200 deserve factual answers. 3652 02:42:51,200 --> 02:42:53,200 An unlimited 3653 02:42:53,200 --> 02:42:56,000 secret or unaccountable surveillance 3654 02:42:56,000 --> 02:42:59,600 system could threaten liberty. 3655 02:42:59,600 --> 02:43:02,399 It would threaten liberty. 3656 02:43:02,399 --> 02:43:04,880 But a system approved by elected 3657 02:43:04,880 --> 02:43:07,600 officials, governed by written policy, 3658 02:43:07,600 --> 02:43:09,840 restricted to legitimate law enforcement 3659 02:43:09,840 --> 02:43:13,200 purposes, supplied by recorded searches 3660 02:43:13,200 --> 02:43:15,280 and regular audits, and subject to 3661 02:43:15,280 --> 02:43:17,600 discipline and public oversight is a 3662 02:43:17,600 --> 02:43:21,110 very different matter. 3663 02:43:21,120 --> 02:43:23,439 Franklin opposed the surrender of 3664 02:43:23,439 --> 02:43:27,429 representative government. 3665 02:43:27,439 --> 02:43:32,160 two powerful unaccountable interests, 3666 02:43:32,160 --> 02:43:35,120 the Penn family. 3667 02:43:35,120 --> 02:43:38,240 He did not declare that reading a 3668 02:43:38,240 --> 02:43:40,399 governmentissued license plate displayed 3669 02:43:40,399 --> 02:43:43,279 on a public roadway under under 3670 02:43:43,279 --> 02:43:49,670 accountable rules is inherently tyranny. 3671 02:43:49,680 --> 02:43:52,720 His quotation should remind us 3672 02:43:52,720 --> 02:43:56,000 to govern carefully. 3673 02:43:56,000 --> 02:43:58,240 It should not be used as a substitute 3674 02:43:58,240 --> 02:44:01,359 for examining the actual technology, the 3675 02:44:01,359 --> 02:44:04,880 actual policy, the actual safeguards and 3676 02:44:04,880 --> 02:44:17,750 the actual constitutional questions. 3677 02:44:17,760 --> 02:44:23,910 I know I've taken a lot of your time. 3678 02:44:23,920 --> 02:44:26,080 It was apparent before me sitting here 3679 02:44:26,080 --> 02:44:30,080 before you allowing me to explain the 3680 02:44:30,080 --> 02:44:31,840 processes, the differences, the 3681 02:44:31,840 --> 02:44:34,479 constitutionality. 3682 02:44:34,479 --> 02:44:37,920 I would ask you to respectfully think 3683 02:44:37,920 --> 02:44:40,160 about your decision. 3684 02:44:40,160 --> 02:44:43,359 Let's go back to the beginning. 3685 02:44:43,359 --> 02:44:49,830 Is it lawful? 3686 02:44:49,840 --> 02:44:52,160 Does it serve a legitimate public 3687 02:44:52,160 --> 02:44:53,680 safety? 3688 02:44:53,680 --> 02:44:55,359 >> I'm having to put your slide one back up 3689 02:44:55,359 --> 02:44:57,279 for you. 3690 02:44:57,279 --> 02:44:58,479 >> No, it's slide three. 3691 02:44:58,479 --> 02:44:59,600 >> Slide three. Sorry. 3692 02:44:59,600 --> 02:45:02,240 >> I just need you just need to Thank you 3693 02:45:02,240 --> 02:45:05,760 though for slide. The questions you need 3694 02:45:05,760 --> 02:45:08,319 to answer. 3695 02:45:08,319 --> 02:45:16,630 Is it lawful? 3696 02:45:16,640 --> 02:45:19,920 Does it serve a legitimate public safety 3697 02:45:19,920 --> 02:45:29,110 purpose? 3698 02:45:29,120 --> 02:45:33,269 What does it collect? 3699 02:45:33,279 --> 02:45:37,990 What safeguards govern it? 3700 02:45:38,000 --> 02:45:40,319 And what happens when somebody abuses 3701 02:45:40,319 --> 02:45:46,790 it? 3702 02:45:46,800 --> 02:45:48,399 And to your comment earlier, judge, with 3703 02:45:48,399 --> 02:45:50,319 all due respect, many communities are 3704 02:45:50,319 --> 02:45:55,269 doing away with this. 3705 02:45:55,279 --> 02:45:56,720 I'm going to tell you, I'm going to tell 3706 02:45:56,720 --> 02:46:00,000 you I wanted to come here full of pride 3707 02:46:00,000 --> 02:46:05,840 and not in any of this in you. 3708 02:46:05,840 --> 02:46:07,920 because of the community that I get to 3709 02:46:07,920 --> 02:46:11,030 serve, 3710 02:46:11,040 --> 02:46:13,359 we can have honest 3711 02:46:13,359 --> 02:46:15,359 dialogue. 3712 02:46:15,359 --> 02:46:17,520 I wanted to come to you today so proud 3713 02:46:17,520 --> 02:46:21,750 of this community to say 3714 02:46:21,760 --> 02:46:24,319 that nobody has destroyed any of the 3715 02:46:24,319 --> 02:46:26,960 cameras 3716 02:46:26,960 --> 02:46:32,870 until the other day. 3717 02:46:32,880 --> 02:46:36,080 Now, that's a crime. 3718 02:46:36,080 --> 02:46:39,359 I was so proud of y'all, 3719 02:46:39,359 --> 02:46:41,520 this community, to know that our 3720 02:46:41,520 --> 02:46:43,040 neighbors in Bandere, they weren't up 3721 02:46:43,040 --> 02:46:44,319 very long and they're dead laying down 3722 02:46:44,319 --> 02:46:49,429 on the ground 3723 02:46:49,439 --> 02:46:50,880 because they want to take it all into 3724 02:46:50,880 --> 02:46:53,200 their own hands and do it their way. 3725 02:46:53,200 --> 02:46:59,840 Let's do this the right way. 3726 02:46:59,840 --> 02:47:02,240 Okay, this is that hearing that some 3727 02:47:02,240 --> 02:47:04,960 people asked for earlier. 3728 02:47:04,960 --> 02:47:07,200 I got to speak most of my mind. I missed 3729 02:47:07,200 --> 02:47:09,200 out on some. 3730 02:47:09,200 --> 02:47:12,720 These are all relative important facts, 3731 02:47:12,720 --> 02:47:15,200 things that you need to know. 3732 02:47:15,200 --> 02:47:16,800 This is nothing that my office are going 3733 02:47:16,800 --> 02:47:19,120 to use against anybody. It's going to be 3734 02:47:19,120 --> 02:47:22,560 a tool used to hopefully hopefully you 3735 02:47:22,560 --> 02:47:28,870 will never need it to be used for you. 3736 02:47:28,880 --> 02:47:30,880 In all respect to the gentleman that sat 3737 02:47:30,880 --> 02:47:33,040 here earlier and said, "This is a safe 3738 02:47:33,040 --> 02:47:35,520 town. 3739 02:47:35,520 --> 02:47:38,950 It is 3740 02:47:38,960 --> 02:47:40,560 when you compare it to other towns our 3741 02:47:40,560 --> 02:47:43,359 size in rel relation to San Antonio. 3742 02:47:43,359 --> 02:47:45,680 I've always been amazed that we don't 3743 02:47:45,680 --> 02:47:47,120 have a higher crime rate and more 3744 02:47:47,120 --> 02:47:48,560 serious crimes than we do in this 3745 02:47:48,560 --> 02:47:51,760 county, in this community. 3746 02:47:51,760 --> 02:47:56,150 A lot of it is because of you. 3747 02:47:56,160 --> 02:47:58,800 But there was a day that I would go on 3748 02:47:58,800 --> 02:48:00,000 vacation. I would leave my house 3749 02:48:00,000 --> 02:48:02,960 unlocked. I would leave my car open and 3750 02:48:02,960 --> 02:48:05,439 unlocked. You better not do that in this 3751 02:48:05,439 --> 02:48:09,349 community anymore. 3752 02:48:09,359 --> 02:48:11,200 It's changed 3753 02:48:11,200 --> 02:48:15,279 and it's going to continue to change. 3754 02:48:15,279 --> 02:48:17,200 All I'm asking is to be allowed to use 3755 02:48:17,200 --> 02:48:20,479 this tool, not against you, not to watch 3756 02:48:20,479 --> 02:48:23,279 every move that you make, to allow me to 3757 02:48:23,279 --> 02:48:26,880 use it as a good, viable police tool to 3758 02:48:26,880 --> 02:48:31,190 help expediate 3759 02:48:31,200 --> 02:48:36,389 police work and investigations. 3760 02:48:36,399 --> 02:48:38,720 We can talk all day about the bad, but 3761 02:48:38,720 --> 02:48:40,800 we can also talk all day about the good. 3762 02:48:40,800 --> 02:48:42,160 There are so many good stories 3763 02:48:42,160 --> 02:48:44,399 throughout this country. We can talk 3764 02:48:44,399 --> 02:48:49,110 data. We can talk statistics. 3765 02:48:49,120 --> 02:48:51,120 I'm going to ask the court that you be 3766 02:48:51,120 --> 02:48:54,560 open and think about this. 3767 02:48:54,560 --> 02:48:56,560 I'll be honest with you. It seemed that 3768 02:48:56,560 --> 02:48:58,160 you know you came here with some 3769 02:48:58,160 --> 02:49:00,240 predetermined ideas about what you 3770 02:49:00,240 --> 02:49:03,429 thought. 3771 02:49:03,439 --> 02:49:04,720 I know you've been under a lot of 3772 02:49:04,720 --> 02:49:07,359 pressure, a lot of phone calls, a lot of 3773 02:49:07,359 --> 02:49:13,190 emails, 3774 02:49:13,200 --> 02:49:14,960 but I would just ask that you approve 3775 02:49:14,960 --> 02:49:16,880 this contract 3776 02:49:16,880 --> 02:49:18,560 and allow us to continue. And here's 3777 02:49:18,560 --> 02:49:20,880 what I will tell you. 3778 02:49:20,880 --> 02:49:23,279 We told you this the first year. The 3779 02:49:23,279 --> 02:49:26,720 first year was allow us to do this 3780 02:49:26,720 --> 02:49:30,319 and give us a year's time to accumulate 3781 02:49:30,319 --> 02:49:31,840 data 3782 02:49:31,840 --> 02:49:34,080 to show you the value of what this might 3783 02:49:34,080 --> 02:49:36,319 be worth. We haven't been given that 3784 02:49:36,319 --> 02:49:39,920 opportunity to nobody's fault. 3785 02:49:39,920 --> 02:49:42,399 We can't help text dot not giving us the 3786 02:49:42,399 --> 02:49:45,590 permits. 3787 02:49:45,600 --> 02:49:48,319 We strategically located 54 cameras 3788 02:49:48,319 --> 02:49:50,399 throughout the county so that we would 3789 02:49:50,399 --> 02:49:54,319 be able to cover any and all ingress and 3790 02:49:54,319 --> 02:49:58,230 egress to the county. 3791 02:49:58,240 --> 02:50:00,479 Anybody coming in that does a dirty 3792 02:50:00,479 --> 02:50:03,910 deed, 3793 02:50:03,920 --> 02:50:06,319 we know that where they came in and we 3794 02:50:06,319 --> 02:50:11,990 might know where they go out. 3795 02:50:12,000 --> 02:50:13,760 That's all I'm asking for. I'm not going 3796 02:50:13,760 --> 02:50:15,680 to put any more cameras up. I don't I 3797 02:50:15,680 --> 02:50:17,600 don't need any more cameras. As a matter 3798 02:50:17,600 --> 02:50:19,760 of fact, if you give me this year, we 3799 02:50:19,760 --> 02:50:22,160 may reduce the cameras next year based 3800 02:50:22,160 --> 02:50:23,760 on some of those locations where maybe 3801 02:50:23,760 --> 02:50:26,720 they they don't they don't um they 3802 02:50:26,720 --> 02:50:30,240 haven't shown to be um useful. 3803 02:50:30,240 --> 02:50:32,160 And I I would I would I would grant 3804 02:50:32,160 --> 02:50:36,319 that. Um but I'm not asking to expand 3805 02:50:36,319 --> 02:50:37,760 it. I'm telling you, this is not going 3806 02:50:37,760 --> 02:50:39,439 to go away. If we don't if you don't 3807 02:50:39,439 --> 02:50:40,640 give it to us, then we're going to be 3808 02:50:40,640 --> 02:50:42,560 without it. Our neighbors are going to 3809 02:50:42,560 --> 02:50:44,800 have it. It's not leaving. Well, I can't 3810 02:50:44,800 --> 02:50:47,439 speak for them. I'm not going to say. 3811 02:50:47,439 --> 02:50:50,960 But Bernett, Bandaraa, 3812 02:50:50,960 --> 02:50:53,120 Guadalupe, are at least three counties 3813 02:50:53,120 --> 02:50:55,439 that I know that have done away with the 3814 02:50:55,439 --> 02:50:56,720 contract. Not because they didn't 3815 02:50:56,720 --> 02:50:59,359 believe in it and it didn't work, but 3816 02:50:59,359 --> 02:51:03,520 because people use shotguns and saws and 3817 02:51:03,520 --> 02:51:09,190 vehicles to knock those things over. 3818 02:51:09,200 --> 02:51:12,240 So I would ask the opportunity to be 3819 02:51:12,240 --> 02:51:14,880 able to continue this this system at 3820 02:51:14,880 --> 02:51:17,359 least for another year so that we can 3821 02:51:17,359 --> 02:51:21,760 show if anybody complains about 3822 02:51:21,760 --> 02:51:24,720 me watching you go to Walmart or 3823 02:51:24,720 --> 02:51:27,120 whatever then you know if you can prove 3824 02:51:27,120 --> 02:51:30,240 that then your every move but this is 3825 02:51:30,240 --> 02:51:32,640 not a surveillance in in the typical 3826 02:51:32,640 --> 02:51:35,600 terms of a surveillance system. It's a 3827 02:51:35,600 --> 02:51:37,920 point by point by point. I don't know 3828 02:51:37,920 --> 02:51:40,960 where you've been before 3829 02:51:40,960 --> 02:51:44,399 or after any one of those points. And 3830 02:51:44,399 --> 02:51:47,200 remember, according to the contract, 3831 02:51:47,200 --> 02:51:51,269 that is our data. 3832 02:51:51,279 --> 02:51:55,349 Why is it third party 3833 02:51:55,359 --> 02:52:00,150 controlling or holding our data? 3834 02:52:00,160 --> 02:52:01,840 Surprise. 3835 02:52:01,840 --> 02:52:03,520 There are a lot of private entities that 3836 02:52:03,520 --> 02:52:06,160 hold law enforcement data. It's not just 3837 02:52:06,160 --> 02:52:11,030 flock. 3838 02:52:11,040 --> 02:52:12,880 Same thing. Who has that data? Where 3839 02:52:12,880 --> 02:52:18,710 does it go? As mentioned by many people, 3840 02:52:18,720 --> 02:52:23,990 that right there. 3841 02:52:24,000 --> 02:52:26,319 Whether you turn the location off or not 3842 02:52:26,319 --> 02:52:29,200 doesn't matter. It can still be found as 3843 02:52:29,200 --> 02:52:30,960 long as the phone's on. I've heard 3844 02:52:30,960 --> 02:52:32,160 people say, "Well, I can leave it at 3845 02:52:32,160 --> 02:52:34,479 home. I don't need to show hands, but I 3846 02:52:34,479 --> 02:52:35,359 don't know how many people left their 3847 02:52:35,359 --> 02:52:36,399 phone home today because they didn't 3848 02:52:36,399 --> 02:52:37,359 anybody know you were here at the 3849 02:52:37,359 --> 02:52:38,960 courthouse." That probably didn't 3850 02:52:38,960 --> 02:52:41,040 happen. I can tell you personally, 3851 02:52:41,040 --> 02:52:43,760 myself, for everybody, our culture, our 3852 02:52:43,760 --> 02:52:45,279 lifestyle is this is a lifeline to 3853 02:52:45,279 --> 02:52:49,040 everything. It's unfortunate, but it is. 3854 02:52:49,040 --> 02:52:50,479 I've gotten near my office in the 3855 02:52:50,479 --> 02:52:52,080 morning too, I shouldn't say too many 3856 02:52:52,080 --> 02:52:54,479 times, but more times than I want to say 3857 02:52:54,479 --> 02:52:55,840 that I had to turn around and go back 3858 02:52:55,840 --> 02:52:57,600 and get this thing because I can't be 3859 02:52:57,600 --> 02:53:02,630 without it. 3860 02:53:02,640 --> 02:53:04,240 There's more information when you walk 3861 02:53:04,240 --> 02:53:06,160 into any any place that that where 3862 02:53:06,160 --> 02:53:08,240 that's technology exists. There's more 3863 02:53:08,240 --> 02:53:10,319 people, more entities, more uh 3864 02:53:10,319 --> 02:53:11,920 businesses that have information about 3865 02:53:11,920 --> 02:53:13,680 you than I will have about you, your 3866 02:53:13,680 --> 02:53:15,279 license plate, and the description of 3867 02:53:15,279 --> 02:53:17,200 your vehicle. 3868 02:53:17,200 --> 02:53:19,439 And I know the the problem is the 3869 02:53:19,439 --> 02:53:22,720 government has it. I get that. After 3870 02:53:22,720 --> 02:53:24,080 everything that we've been through with 3871 02:53:24,080 --> 02:53:26,800 CO and everything else, 3872 02:53:26,800 --> 02:53:30,080 I'm as pissed off as you are. 3873 02:53:30,080 --> 02:53:37,429 about what's happened to this country. 3874 02:53:37,439 --> 02:53:38,960 I would ask each and every one of you to 3875 02:53:38,960 --> 02:53:40,560 really reconsider. Give me the 3876 02:53:40,560 --> 02:53:42,160 opportunity. If I can't change your 3877 02:53:42,160 --> 02:53:43,439 mind, I can't change your mind. We can 3878 02:53:43,439 --> 02:53:46,000 still be friends. You can see I'm 3879 02:53:46,000 --> 02:53:47,200 passionate about this because I think 3880 02:53:47,200 --> 02:53:49,520 it's a very viable tool. If you take it 3881 02:53:49,520 --> 02:53:50,880 away from us, we may never have it 3882 02:53:50,880 --> 02:53:52,560 again. 3883 02:53:52,560 --> 02:53:54,080 Okay. 3884 02:53:54,080 --> 02:53:55,920 >> Another misconception just to clarify 3885 02:53:55,920 --> 02:53:58,240 everything. It is not tax dollars that's 3886 02:53:58,240 --> 02:53:59,120 paying for this. 3887 02:53:59,120 --> 02:54:00,800 >> Announcement 3888 02:54:00,800 --> 02:54:03,279 >> the grant is not tax dollars. You need 3889 02:54:03,279 --> 02:54:05,040 to know that. 3890 02:54:05,040 --> 02:54:07,040 >> Yes. The contribution from the county is 3891 02:54:07,040 --> 02:54:11,040 tax dollars. The motor vehicle uh uh 3892 02:54:11,040 --> 02:54:17,269 theft uh whatever it is. 3893 02:54:17,279 --> 02:54:21,760 » Every time you pay for your auto 3894 02:54:21,760 --> 02:54:27,590 insurance policy, it goes to this fund. 3895 02:54:27,600 --> 02:54:29,760 Yes. 3896 02:54:29,760 --> 02:54:33,439 >> Okay. It's a 3897 02:54:33,439 --> 02:54:35,920 >> Okay. 3898 02:54:35,920 --> 02:54:37,200 All right. 3899 02:54:37,200 --> 02:54:38,080 >> Think so. 3900 02:54:38,080 --> 02:54:40,160 >> So, thank you. I appreciate everything 3901 02:54:40,160 --> 02:54:43,040 you've said. We're going to we're going 3902 02:54:43,040 --> 02:54:44,640 to finish this item and take it to a 3903 02:54:44,640 --> 02:54:45,680 vote. I know there's a couple 3904 02:54:45,680 --> 02:54:47,439 commissioners left to speak and then 3905 02:54:47,439 --> 02:54:48,560 we're going to take the vote. I 3906 02:54:48,560 --> 02:54:50,399 appreciate everything you've done. I'm 3907 02:54:50,399 --> 02:54:52,399 going to we've heard a lot today, so I'm 3908 02:54:52,399 --> 02:54:54,080 going to read the agenda item one last 3909 02:54:54,080 --> 02:54:56,319 time so everyone knows exactly what the 3910 02:54:56,319 --> 02:54:59,040 issue is before us. 3911 02:54:59,040 --> 02:55:00,880 Consider and possible action on an 3912 02:55:00,880 --> 02:55:03,760 agreement with Flock Safety Group, Inc. 3913 02:55:03,760 --> 02:55:05,840 to continue to participate in the flock 3914 02:55:05,840 --> 02:55:08,000 safety platform and for necessary flock 3915 02:55:08,000 --> 02:55:10,240 safety professional services and 3916 02:55:10,240 --> 02:55:12,479 installation fees beginning October 1st, 3917 02:55:12,479 --> 02:55:16,160 2026 and ending on September 30th, 2027 3918 02:55:16,160 --> 02:55:19,120 for a no cost for a cost note not to 3919 02:55:19,120 --> 02:55:22,479 exceed $198,550 3920 02:55:22,479 --> 02:55:24,640 of which 80% will be paid by a grant 3921 02:55:24,640 --> 02:55:26,240 awarded through the Motor Vehicle Crime 3922 02:55:26,240 --> 02:55:28,240 Prevention Authority subject to review 3923 02:55:28,240 --> 02:55:29,920 and approval by general counsel and 3924 02:55:29,920 --> 02:55:31,520 authorize the county judge to execute 3925 02:55:31,520 --> 02:55:33,359 necessary documents. 3926 02:55:33,359 --> 02:55:35,600 So I just want to propose this to my 3927 02:55:35,600 --> 02:55:39,279 colleagues. I know 3928 02:55:39,279 --> 02:55:42,319 I don't think we need to engage in a 3929 02:55:42,319 --> 02:55:44,319 philosophical debate on surveillance 3930 02:55:44,319 --> 02:55:46,960 technology and the constitution of ALPRs 3931 02:55:46,960 --> 02:55:51,359 today. We're looking at ALPR techn. 3932 02:55:51,359 --> 02:55:53,200 We're not looking at ALPR technology in 3933 02:55:53,200 --> 02:55:55,439 general. The issue today is the 3934 02:55:55,439 --> 02:55:57,920 credibility and trustworthiness of 3935 02:55:57,920 --> 02:56:00,720 Flock. Flock is the vendor providing the 3936 02:56:00,720 --> 02:56:03,040 service to us today. So that is the only 3937 02:56:03,040 --> 02:56:05,040 issue to force. So if you believe in 3938 02:56:05,040 --> 02:56:07,120 flock that's your first question you 3939 02:56:07,120 --> 02:56:08,800 need to answer. So if you answer yes you 3940 02:56:08,800 --> 02:56:10,560 want to continue at flock then your 3941 02:56:10,560 --> 02:56:13,520 second question was you answer is you 3942 02:56:13,520 --> 02:56:15,680 get into that constitutionality debate 3943 02:56:15,680 --> 02:56:17,920 of whether ALPRs are good for this 3944 02:56:17,920 --> 02:56:19,520 community. So I think the first question 3945 02:56:19,520 --> 02:56:21,520 is do you want to continue with flock? 3946 02:56:21,520 --> 02:56:23,359 That is the first and only question I 3947 02:56:23,359 --> 02:56:25,920 believe that is before us on the agenda. 3948 02:56:25,920 --> 02:56:28,640 So, if that simplifies your your thought 3949 02:56:28,640 --> 02:56:30,319 process, I'm just throwing that out 3950 02:56:30,319 --> 02:56:32,240 there. That's my opinion of what this 3951 02:56:32,240 --> 02:56:34,319 agenda item is. So, I'm going to open it 3952 02:56:34,319 --> 02:56:36,319 up to the last three commissioners to 3953 02:56:36,319 --> 02:56:37,600 give their thoughts and then we're going 3954 02:56:37,600 --> 02:56:39,120 to take this to a vote. So, Commissioner 3955 02:56:39,120 --> 02:56:41,040 McCall, you're up. 3956 02:56:41,040 --> 02:56:44,240 >> When I voted in favor of the MVCPA 3957 02:56:44,240 --> 02:56:46,640 grant and flock contract, I did so 3958 02:56:46,640 --> 02:56:48,960 because we were told the primary purpose 3959 02:56:48,960 --> 02:56:51,840 was to enhance public safety. Protecting 3960 02:56:51,840 --> 02:56:53,760 the people who live, work, and visit 3961 02:56:53,760 --> 02:56:55,359 Kendall County is one of the most 3962 02:56:55,359 --> 02:56:57,600 important responsibilities we have, and 3963 02:56:57,600 --> 02:57:00,000 I remain committed to providing our law 3964 02:57:00,000 --> 02:57:01,760 enforcement officers with tools that 3965 02:57:01,760 --> 02:57:04,800 help keep our community safe. However, 3966 02:57:04,800 --> 02:57:07,279 over the past year, and particularly 3967 02:57:07,279 --> 02:57:09,120 over the last four months, additional 3968 02:57:09,120 --> 02:57:10,720 information regarding Flock's 3969 02:57:10,720 --> 02:57:14,000 operations, data access, data sharing 3970 02:57:14,000 --> 02:57:17,200 practices has continued to emerge. As 3971 02:57:17,200 --> 02:57:18,640 elected officials, we have a 3972 02:57:18,640 --> 02:57:21,120 responsibility to ensure that any system 3973 02:57:21,120 --> 02:57:24,720 implemented countywide adheres to clear 3974 02:57:24,720 --> 02:57:27,439 standards for privacy, transparency, 3975 02:57:27,439 --> 02:57:30,160 accountability, and local control. Based 3976 02:57:30,160 --> 02:57:32,880 on the review of the current contract, I 3977 02:57:32,880 --> 02:57:34,880 do not believe it provides sufficient 3978 02:57:34,880 --> 02:57:36,960 assurance that data collected through 3979 02:57:36,960 --> 02:57:39,680 the system will be adequately protected 3980 02:57:39,680 --> 02:57:43,200 from access by outside entities. I 3981 02:57:43,200 --> 02:57:45,200 continue to have concerns regarding who 3982 02:57:45,200 --> 02:57:48,399 may obtain access to the information, 3983 02:57:48,399 --> 02:57:50,399 what restrictions exist on the 3984 02:57:50,399 --> 02:57:52,240 collection, sharing, and retention of 3985 02:57:52,240 --> 02:57:55,040 that data, and whether the other 3986 02:57:55,040 --> 02:57:57,120 entities have direct or indirect access 3987 02:57:57,120 --> 02:57:58,880 to the information gathered within 3988 02:57:58,880 --> 02:58:01,279 Kendall County. These questions are 3989 02:58:01,279 --> 02:58:04,000 fundamental to maintaining public trust. 3990 02:58:04,000 --> 02:58:06,399 While I support the efforts of enhanced 3991 02:58:06,399 --> 02:58:08,880 public safety, I also believe we must 3992 02:58:08,880 --> 02:58:11,520 ensure that appropriate safeguards are 3993 02:58:11,520 --> 02:58:13,920 in place to protect the privacy and 3994 02:58:13,920 --> 02:58:15,600 rights of those traveling through our 3995 02:58:15,600 --> 02:58:18,000 county. At this time, I am not convinced 3996 02:58:18,000 --> 02:58:20,080 that the necessary assurances and 3997 02:58:20,080 --> 02:58:22,640 protections exist. For these reasons and 3998 02:58:22,640 --> 02:58:24,479 others that have arisen during my course 3999 02:58:24,479 --> 02:58:27,279 of the course of my review, I cannot 4000 02:58:27,279 --> 02:58:29,920 continue supporting 4001 02:58:29,920 --> 02:58:32,720 I'm sorry. I cannot continue I cannot 4002 02:58:32,720 --> 02:58:35,040 support continuing the agreement with 4003 02:58:35,040 --> 02:58:40,720 Flock. Also, if the county does not um 4004 02:58:40,720 --> 02:58:42,640 continue this contract, what is the 4005 02:58:42,640 --> 02:58:44,960 process for terminating the contract and 4006 02:58:44,960 --> 02:58:48,080 what obligations would remain after the 4007 02:58:48,080 --> 02:58:50,240 termination? 4008 02:58:50,240 --> 02:58:53,439 And that's the general counsel question. 4009 02:58:53,439 --> 02:58:56,160 >> Yes. Upon termination of the contract, 4010 02:58:56,160 --> 02:58:58,640 it does require a 30-day notice period, 4011 02:58:58,640 --> 02:59:01,359 and it would be up to Flock to determine 4012 02:59:01,359 --> 02:59:04,880 how to best u address removal of the 4013 02:59:04,880 --> 02:59:07,840 hardware from our rightway. 4014 02:59:07,840 --> 02:59:09,439 It might take some time for them to be 4015 02:59:09,439 --> 02:59:11,120 removed, but they would be 4016 02:59:11,120 --> 02:59:12,880 nonoperational. 4017 02:59:12,880 --> 02:59:13,920 Okay. 4018 02:59:13,920 --> 02:59:15,520 >> All right, Commissioner Chapman. All 4019 02:59:15,520 --> 02:59:17,439 right. First of all, I'd like to 4020 02:59:17,439 --> 02:59:19,920 apologize to anybody that I didn't give 4021 02:59:19,920 --> 02:59:22,800 a return email to that emailed me. There 4022 02:59:22,800 --> 02:59:24,720 was a bunch and I tried to answer as 4023 02:59:24,720 --> 02:59:27,840 many as I could. Uh, but I didn't get 4024 02:59:27,840 --> 02:59:31,279 back to everybody and I apologize. So, 4025 02:59:31,279 --> 02:59:33,840 we've talked about LPRs, license plate 4026 02:59:33,840 --> 02:59:37,120 readers, and that's what uh I remember 4027 02:59:37,120 --> 02:59:40,000 us talking about before. This has been 4028 02:59:40,000 --> 02:59:42,479 about license plate readers when we 4029 02:59:42,479 --> 02:59:46,640 first brought this program to mind here. 4030 02:59:46,640 --> 02:59:48,720 I didn't really object to being my 4031 02:59:48,720 --> 02:59:50,800 license plate being read. I really don't 4032 02:59:50,800 --> 02:59:53,359 care. I objected to the numbers that 4033 02:59:53,359 --> 02:59:55,439 were going out there. And I don't think 4034 02:59:55,439 --> 02:59:58,479 we would be sitting here today had we 4035 02:59:58,479 --> 03:00:01,040 stuck with a smaller number and put them 4036 03:00:01,040 --> 03:00:04,399 in strategic locations. Two of my own 4037 03:00:04,399 --> 03:00:07,520 constituents came to me and said, "I do 4038 03:00:07,520 --> 03:00:11,680 not want this camera, but at my gate, 4039 03:00:11,680 --> 03:00:14,800 folk filming me every time I go in and 4040 03:00:14,800 --> 03:00:19,120 out of my gate." I agreed. And I mean, 4041 03:00:19,120 --> 03:00:21,920 in one case, I know the camera was 4042 03:00:21,920 --> 03:00:24,560 moved. In the other case, this was 4043 03:00:24,560 --> 03:00:27,040 yesterday. I don't know that the camera 4044 03:00:27,040 --> 03:00:30,319 was moved. I do know that the person 4045 03:00:30,319 --> 03:00:33,760 installing it was asked to stop and he 4046 03:00:33,760 --> 03:00:36,000 did. Whether or not he came back and 4047 03:00:36,000 --> 03:00:39,520 installed it later, I don't know. That's 4048 03:00:39,520 --> 03:00:42,000 a problem that could have been solved 4049 03:00:42,000 --> 03:00:44,080 and eliminated a lot of the people 4050 03:00:44,080 --> 03:00:46,319 coming in there. But what I haven't 4051 03:00:46,319 --> 03:00:48,399 heard about and what I don't remember 4052 03:00:48,399 --> 03:00:50,399 voting on 4053 03:00:50,399 --> 03:00:54,479 was the video cameras. We have five 4054 03:00:54,479 --> 03:00:56,399 video cameras. 4055 03:00:56,399 --> 03:00:58,800 What are they filming 4056 03:00:58,800 --> 03:01:01,840 and where's that information going? 4057 03:01:01,840 --> 03:01:04,399 Now, true enough, the rest of them are 4058 03:01:04,399 --> 03:01:08,960 license plate readers. There are some uh 4059 03:01:08,960 --> 03:01:12,240 52 or something license plate readers. 4060 03:01:12,240 --> 03:01:14,560 Some of them are for the interstate, so 4061 03:01:14,560 --> 03:01:18,000 they're high-speed, higher resolution, 4062 03:01:18,000 --> 03:01:20,960 and I get that the need for those. Uh 4063 03:01:20,960 --> 03:01:23,439 and I I really don't have an objection 4064 03:01:23,439 --> 03:01:27,520 to those. Uh but whenever I found out 4065 03:01:27,520 --> 03:01:30,160 that we also have five video cameras out 4066 03:01:30,160 --> 03:01:33,200 there, I did question and I haven't got 4067 03:01:33,200 --> 03:01:36,319 the answer on that yet. In reading the 4068 03:01:36,319 --> 03:01:39,040 flock and in reading the grant 4069 03:01:39,040 --> 03:01:41,359 application, there are other things that 4070 03:01:41,359 --> 03:01:43,200 can be done with this money. Have we 4071 03:01:43,200 --> 03:01:44,720 investigated 4072 03:01:44,720 --> 03:01:47,120 what other things that we can do with 4073 03:01:47,120 --> 03:01:50,080 this money besides just buying fog 4074 03:01:50,080 --> 03:01:54,000 cameras? And so 4075 03:01:54,000 --> 03:01:56,479 I mean I understand 4076 03:01:56,479 --> 03:01:58,240 there is good that has come out of this 4077 03:01:58,240 --> 03:02:00,880 and I understand there's bad that has 4078 03:02:00,880 --> 03:02:04,160 happened and one bad apple doesn't make 4079 03:02:04,160 --> 03:02:07,760 the whole barrel bad. But it sure gives 4080 03:02:07,760 --> 03:02:10,479 a sour taste in people's mouths with 4081 03:02:10,479 --> 03:02:13,680 evidence of being here today. I asked 4082 03:02:13,680 --> 03:02:16,640 the question who has access in Kendall 4083 03:02:16,640 --> 03:02:19,760 County? The answer was, "Well, all of 4084 03:02:19,760 --> 03:02:22,000 the law enforcement." 4085 03:02:22,000 --> 03:02:24,319 My response was, "That's not the correct 4086 03:02:24,319 --> 03:02:27,680 answer that I wanted to hear." I would 4087 03:02:27,680 --> 03:02:31,600 have expected a very select few that 4088 03:02:31,600 --> 03:02:34,319 always would be around, somebody to be 4089 03:02:34,319 --> 03:02:37,840 around to have access to those cameras. 4090 03:02:37,840 --> 03:02:40,319 Uh, 4091 03:02:40,319 --> 03:02:43,439 our job here today is to weigh whether 4092 03:02:43,439 --> 03:02:47,120 the good outweighs the bad or the bad 4093 03:02:47,120 --> 03:02:49,600 outweighs the good. And that vote will 4094 03:02:49,600 --> 03:02:50,399 come shortly. 4095 03:02:50,399 --> 03:02:52,560 >> Thank you, Mr. Carpenter. Wrap us up. 4096 03:02:52,560 --> 03:02:54,640 >> Okay. 4097 03:02:54,640 --> 03:02:58,080 >> You know, um, my job as an elected 4098 03:02:58,080 --> 03:03:00,080 commissioner was to represent my 4099 03:03:00,080 --> 03:03:03,840 constituents and this topic is 4100 03:03:03,840 --> 03:03:05,760 overwhelming. 4101 03:03:05,760 --> 03:03:08,399 No, they do not want this. And I know 4102 03:03:08,399 --> 03:03:10,720 this is not popular with law enforcement 4103 03:03:10,720 --> 03:03:12,319 or the criminal district attorney's 4104 03:03:12,319 --> 03:03:14,800 office. I know there are crimes that are 4105 03:03:14,800 --> 03:03:16,319 being committed where they can actually 4106 03:03:16,319 --> 03:03:20,640 trace someone from where the crime 4107 03:03:20,640 --> 03:03:23,760 occurred to the direction of where they 4108 03:03:23,760 --> 03:03:27,200 live. I I get that. Um imagine being in 4109 03:03:27,200 --> 03:03:29,359 Washington DC on January 6th and you 4110 03:03:29,359 --> 03:03:31,359 wind up in jail for the for three years 4111 03:03:31,359 --> 03:03:33,120 because you were at the wrong place at 4112 03:03:33,120 --> 03:03:35,920 the wrong time. just because your cell 4113 03:03:35,920 --> 03:03:38,080 phone, they could ping your cell phone 4114 03:03:38,080 --> 03:03:39,840 and do a reverse search and find out 4115 03:03:39,840 --> 03:03:42,640 what your name was. This whole deal 4116 03:03:42,640 --> 03:03:45,920 really freaks me out. And I'm a hardcore 4117 03:03:45,920 --> 03:03:48,399 constitutional person. In October, I 4118 03:03:48,399 --> 03:03:50,479 supported the idea. Then I realized 4119 03:03:50,479 --> 03:03:53,040 about probably a week later that wasn't 4120 03:03:53,040 --> 03:03:55,279 the right decision. In April, just a few 4121 03:03:55,279 --> 03:03:56,880 months ago, we had an opportunity to 4122 03:03:56,880 --> 03:03:59,439 kill this completely and I voted against 4123 03:03:59,439 --> 03:04:02,800 it. And while I completely trust our 4124 03:04:02,800 --> 03:04:05,760 sheriff, and I do I trust you, I don't 4125 03:04:05,760 --> 03:04:09,439 trust everyone. And so that's where I 4126 03:04:09,439 --> 03:04:10,560 stand. 4127 03:04:10,560 --> 03:04:13,200 >> All right. With that, 4128 03:04:13,200 --> 03:04:14,479 >> please call the vote. 4129 03:04:14,479 --> 03:04:15,520 >> Do we have a motion? 4130 03:04:15,520 --> 03:04:17,120 >> We go. 4131 03:04:17,120 --> 03:04:18,800 >> Judge, if I may. 4132 03:04:18,800 --> 03:04:20,720 >> Oh, very briefly. 4133 03:04:20,720 --> 03:04:22,399 >> Yes, absolutely. So, um, a lot of the 4134 03:04:22,399 --> 03:04:23,920 questions and concerns again, I think I 4135 03:04:23,920 --> 03:04:26,319 was hit back here in April as well over 4136 03:04:26,319 --> 03:04:28,479 um over unanswered 4137 03:04:28,479 --> 03:04:30,000 questions. I would love to have the 4138 03:04:30,000 --> 03:04:31,359 opportunity to answer those questions 4139 03:04:31,359 --> 03:04:33,279 and really go over the safeguards and 4140 03:04:33,279 --> 03:04:34,720 practices that are built into the system 4141 03:04:34,720 --> 03:04:36,240 that we necessarily didn't get to hear 4142 03:04:36,240 --> 03:04:38,319 today. Um there is an ongoing debate, we 4143 03:04:38,319 --> 03:04:39,840 did see it here today, where there's 4144 03:04:39,840 --> 03:04:41,439 misinformation leading to disinformation 4145 03:04:41,439 --> 03:04:43,680 on the the functionality and utilization 4146 03:04:43,680 --> 03:04:45,840 of the system, also the governance and 4147 03:04:45,840 --> 03:04:47,200 policy which should be implemented 4148 03:04:47,200 --> 03:04:50,080 behind um that system. uh you you made 4149 03:04:50,080 --> 03:04:52,080 the the the comment earlier um of 4150 03:04:52,080 --> 03:04:54,479 communities uh deciding to uh leave 4151 03:04:54,479 --> 03:04:56,800 Flock and there's actually a 7 to1 ratio 4152 03:04:56,800 --> 03:04:58,640 of communities continuing their contract 4153 03:04:58,640 --> 03:05:00,640 and expanding their contract. Now, I'm 4154 03:05:00,640 --> 03:05:02,560 not going to make a headline um in the 4155 03:05:02,560 --> 03:05:04,720 same manner as if if a community decides 4156 03:05:04,720 --> 03:05:06,640 to, you know, cancel their contract. But 4157 03:05:06,640 --> 03:05:08,640 I think what the crux of what you guys 4158 03:05:08,640 --> 03:05:10,160 are really getting at and what I feel 4159 03:05:10,160 --> 03:05:12,399 like I haven't had the opportunity to uh 4160 03:05:12,399 --> 03:05:14,399 officially brief you on is the 4161 03:05:14,399 --> 03:05:15,680 governance, the oversight, the 4162 03:05:15,680 --> 03:05:17,279 accountability that is built into the 4163 03:05:17,279 --> 03:05:19,200 system to be layered onto how Kendall 4164 03:05:19,200 --> 03:05:22,080 County specifically um utilizes this 4165 03:05:22,080 --> 03:05:24,640 technology today. Um just this morning 4166 03:05:24,640 --> 03:05:26,240 um all of the major law enforcement 4167 03:05:26,240 --> 03:05:27,600 agencies are talking to the House of 4168 03:05:27,600 --> 03:05:30,160 Representatives over regulation. ALPR is 4169 03:05:30,160 --> 03:05:31,760 not a new function. It has been regul 4170 03:05:31,760 --> 03:05:33,760 regulated in several states, Washington, 4171 03:05:33,760 --> 03:05:36,240 California, Virginia. Um the reason it 4172 03:05:36,240 --> 03:05:38,720 has gotten such national attention um 4173 03:05:38,720 --> 03:05:40,880 one is because a flock cameras, flock 4174 03:05:40,880 --> 03:05:44,240 ALPRs are the most transparent tool um 4175 03:05:44,240 --> 03:05:46,240 to date. Uh and because of those 4176 03:05:46,240 --> 03:05:48,800 safeguards that we have in place. Um 4177 03:05:48,800 --> 03:05:50,240 again, there's no Texas state law, but 4178 03:05:50,240 --> 03:05:51,600 again, that that is that is coming on 4179 03:05:51,600 --> 03:05:53,520 what regulation um looks like and we are 4180 03:05:53,520 --> 03:05:54,880 working with those legislators to figure 4181 03:05:54,880 --> 03:05:56,319 out how Texas will operate different 4182 03:05:56,319 --> 03:05:58,160 than Arizona, you know, and other 4183 03:05:58,160 --> 03:06:00,399 states. And so again, didn't really get 4184 03:06:00,399 --> 03:06:02,240 to speak much today, but I would value 4185 03:06:02,240 --> 03:06:03,840 the opportunity to again address the 4186 03:06:03,840 --> 03:06:05,600 unans unanswered questions that you guys 4187 03:06:05,600 --> 03:06:08,240 do have that way a reflective model 4188 03:06:08,240 --> 03:06:10,240 policy specific to Kendall County, 4189 03:06:10,240 --> 03:06:12,800 whether it's access um clarifying the 4190 03:06:12,800 --> 03:06:14,399 data retention, where the data goes. 4191 03:06:14,399 --> 03:06:16,160 Again, those are unanswered questions 4192 03:06:16,160 --> 03:06:18,000 that I have noticed that come here today 4193 03:06:18,000 --> 03:06:19,439 that I would like the ability to be able 4194 03:06:19,439 --> 03:06:21,760 to address head-on clear um with clear 4195 03:06:21,760 --> 03:06:23,200 answers. Um and so I just wanted to 4196 03:06:23,200 --> 03:06:24,720 state that uh before we wrap up here 4197 03:06:24,720 --> 03:06:25,040 today. 4198 03:06:25,040 --> 03:06:27,439 >> Does anyone have any questions? 4199 03:06:27,439 --> 03:06:28,960 >> Yeah. Who would you stay? 4200 03:06:28,960 --> 03:06:29,680 >> Sorry. 4201 03:06:29,680 --> 03:06:31,520 >> So, I am My name is Ian Leslie. I am the 4202 03:06:31,520 --> 03:06:33,279 public affairs manager for the state of 4203 03:06:33,279 --> 03:06:34,000 Texas. 4204 03:06:34,000 --> 03:06:35,520 >> And he's not going to be able to address 4205 03:06:35,520 --> 03:06:37,200 your individual questions. It's more for 4206 03:06:37,200 --> 03:06:38,399 the court. So, does anyone from the 4207 03:06:38,399 --> 03:06:39,760 court have any questions that they want 4208 03:06:39,760 --> 03:06:41,279 answered? 4209 03:06:41,279 --> 03:06:43,439 All right. If not, uh, may I have a 4210 03:06:43,439 --> 03:06:46,319 motion at this time on this issue? Would 4211 03:06:46,319 --> 03:06:48,080 I entertain a motion as this as to 4212 03:06:48,080 --> 03:06:50,560 agenda item 14? 4213 03:06:50,560 --> 03:06:51,040 Uh, 4214 03:06:51,040 --> 03:06:57,840 >> judge, I'll make a stab at it. Uh judge, I'd like to make a motion 4215 03:06:57,840 --> 03:07:00,399 to 4216 03:07:00,399 --> 03:07:02,880 not renew the agreement with Flock 4217 03:07:02,880 --> 03:07:06,319 Safety Group and to stop participation 4218 03:07:06,319 --> 03:07:09,120 in the flock safety platform and for 4219 03:07:09,120 --> 03:07:11,120 necessary flock safety professional 4220 03:07:11,120 --> 03:07:14,479 services and installation fees beginning 4221 03:07:14,479 --> 03:07:18,560 on October 1, 2026 and ending September 4222 03:07:18,560 --> 03:07:20,080 30th. 4223 03:07:20,080 --> 03:07:21,600 >> Motion made by Commissioner Chapman. Is 4224 03:07:21,600 --> 03:07:22,960 there a second? Second. 4225 03:07:22,960 --> 03:07:24,960 >> Second by Commissioner McCall. Any 4226 03:07:24,960 --> 03:07:25,840 further discussion? 4227 03:07:25,840 --> 03:07:26,560 >> Yes. 4228 03:07:26,560 --> 03:07:27,760 >> Commissioner Carpenter, you're up. 4229 03:07:27,760 --> 03:07:29,840 >> To follow up on Commissioner Chapman's 4230 03:07:29,840 --> 03:07:31,840 um comments, 4231 03:07:31,840 --> 03:07:34,399 what else could this fund be used for? 4232 03:07:34,399 --> 03:07:35,439 >> Yes, sir. 4233 03:07:35,439 --> 03:07:38,479 >> I don't we've never even ex we never 4234 03:07:38,479 --> 03:07:42,319 explored that idea on, you know, I'm not 4235 03:07:42,319 --> 03:07:43,840 talking about license plate readers. 4236 03:07:43,840 --> 03:07:45,600 Please don't don't take that. But if we 4237 03:07:45,600 --> 03:07:47,600 do have the grant, we did get it. We 4238 03:07:47,600 --> 03:07:50,000 were accepted for the grant. I would 4239 03:07:50,000 --> 03:07:52,880 like to see where else we can 4240 03:07:52,880 --> 03:07:55,200 do something for law enforcement. I 4241 03:07:55,200 --> 03:07:57,359 don't know if there's another way. 4242 03:07:57,359 --> 03:07:59,600 >> Commissioner, the grant application was 4243 03:07:59,600 --> 03:08:02,000 specific to the flock system. I don't 4244 03:08:02,000 --> 03:08:03,920 think that we we're way past the 4245 03:08:03,920 --> 03:08:06,160 deadline on the application itself. So, 4246 03:08:06,160 --> 03:08:07,600 I don't think that's possible for this 4247 03:08:07,600 --> 03:08:09,120 upcoming fiscal year. 4248 03:08:09,120 --> 03:08:09,600 >> Okay. 4249 03:08:09,600 --> 03:08:11,279 >> We could potentially use the money for 4250 03:08:11,279 --> 03:08:13,120 the match. That wouldn't be a whole lot 4251 03:08:13,120 --> 03:08:15,439 of money, but that would be some money. 4252 03:08:15,439 --> 03:08:17,920 >> The grant the the money that we had set 4253 03:08:17,920 --> 03:08:19,439 aside for the match. Yeah, 4254 03:08:19,439 --> 03:08:21,200 >> I suppose you could have that available. 4255 03:08:21,200 --> 03:08:22,399 I don't know what you put in the budget 4256 03:08:22,399 --> 03:08:24,240 for 27. 4257 03:08:24,240 --> 03:08:25,760 >> Could he repeat the motion because I 4258 03:08:25,760 --> 03:08:26,560 wasn't clear I heard. 4259 03:08:26,560 --> 03:08:28,160 >> Could you please repeat your motion one 4260 03:08:28,160 --> 03:08:30,399 last time? 4261 03:08:30,399 --> 03:08:33,359 >> Motion is to 4262 03:08:33,359 --> 03:08:35,920 not renew the agreement with Flock 4263 03:08:35,920 --> 03:08:36,880 Safety Group. 4264 03:08:36,880 --> 03:08:37,359 >> Gotcha. 4265 03:08:37,359 --> 03:08:39,359 >> Okay, 4266 03:08:39,359 --> 03:08:41,200 you're up finally. 4267 03:08:41,200 --> 03:08:42,479 >> Commissioner Mal 4268 03:08:42,479 --> 03:08:43,040 >> I. 4269 03:08:43,040 --> 03:08:44,080 >> Commissioner Ween 4270 03:08:44,080 --> 03:08:44,720 >> I. 4271 03:08:44,720 --> 03:08:46,479 >> Commissioner Chapman 4272 03:08:46,479 --> 03:08:46,960 >> I. 4273 03:08:46,960 --> 03:08:47,920 >> Commissioner Carpenter. 4274 03:08:47,920 --> 03:08:49,439 >> Hi. Dari 4275 03:08:49,439 --> 03:08:52,160 >> I motion carries five to zero and before 4276 03:08:52,160 --> 03:08:54,240 I let you go we're going to I believe 4277 03:08:54,240 --> 03:08:58,000 agenda item 15 is now no action correct 4278 03:08:58,000 --> 03:09:00,640 okay with that we're going to adjourn 4279 03:09:00,640 --> 03:09:04,240 till 1:15 for a lunch recess and then 4280 03:09:04,240 --> 03:09:06,880 we'll pick up with our public com 4281 03:09:06,880 --> 03:09:08,640 >> I have some place to be on the other 4282 03:09:08,640 --> 03:09:11,760 side of out of this county 4283 03:09:11,760 --> 03:09:16,550 >> session 4284 03:09:16,560 --> 03:09:18,479 » okay would y'all mind I'm gonna reopen 4285 03:09:18,479 --> 03:09:20,319 for public comments. There's three 4286 03:09:20,319 --> 03:09:22,560 people that have to go out of courtesy. 4287 03:09:22,560 --> 03:09:24,800 You've waited patiently, so I'm going to 4288 03:09:24,800 --> 03:09:26,319 let you have your public comments and 4289 03:09:26,319 --> 03:09:27,600 then we'll recess. 4290 03:09:27,600 --> 03:09:29,520 >> So, would you mind coming up? So, we're 4291 03:09:29,520 --> 03:09:32,950 still in session. 4292 03:09:32,960 --> 03:09:34,399 » Thank you for letting me know. 4293 03:09:34,399 --> 03:09:37,439 >> Yes, please. Thank you. 4294 03:09:37,439 --> 03:09:39,680 >> Wana McCarthy, precinct 2, former member 4295 03:09:39,680 --> 03:09:41,120 of the Proposition A committee, 4296 03:09:41,120 --> 03:09:43,520 appointed by this court. I along with 4297 03:09:43,520 --> 03:09:45,439 five other members, half of the 4298 03:09:45,439 --> 03:09:47,439 committee resigned two days after this 4299 03:09:47,439 --> 03:09:50,240 court's actions to raid the remainder of 4300 03:09:50,240 --> 03:09:52,319 Prop A funds with a focus of handing 4301 03:09:52,319 --> 03:09:54,960 those funds to a developer. 4302 03:09:54,960 --> 03:09:57,120 There was an emotionally whipped up 4303 03:09:57,120 --> 03:09:59,520 frenzy of precinct 4 constituents being 4304 03:09:59,520 --> 03:10:02,160 told pieces and parts of the story in 4305 03:10:02,160 --> 03:10:03,680 order to have their support in 4306 03:10:03,680 --> 03:10:06,640 undermining and sabotaging the Prop A 4307 03:10:06,640 --> 03:10:09,439 committee and wiping out their funds for 4308 03:10:09,439 --> 03:10:11,439 land conservation. 4309 03:10:11,439 --> 03:10:14,080 It sounded very similar today. Lenar 4310 03:10:14,080 --> 03:10:16,080 Holmes was mentioned repeatedly in the 4311 03:10:16,080 --> 03:10:18,319 discussion at the court. Best project 4312 03:10:18,319 --> 03:10:21,359 were mentioned. Two years of floods were 4313 03:10:21,359 --> 03:10:24,399 elaborated upon with the perceived dire 4314 03:10:24,399 --> 03:10:26,800 and urgent need for safety and flood 4315 03:10:26,800 --> 03:10:28,399 mitigation. 4316 03:10:28,399 --> 03:10:31,279 Facts are that Lenar was never part of 4317 03:10:31,279 --> 03:10:33,760 this piece of property as they are not 4318 03:10:33,760 --> 03:10:36,640 so ignorant to pay premium dollar for 4319 03:10:36,640 --> 03:10:39,840 subpar land substantially undevelopable 4320 03:10:39,840 --> 03:10:42,319 being in the flood plane and further 4321 03:10:42,319 --> 03:10:45,040 stripped of the water rights. Bass 4322 03:10:45,040 --> 03:10:47,359 projects were not close either. These 4323 03:10:47,359 --> 03:10:50,240 are emotionally charged buttons used by 4324 03:10:50,240 --> 03:10:51,840 members of this court to gain their 4325 03:10:51,840 --> 03:10:54,560 support. And although safety and flood 4326 03:10:54,560 --> 03:10:57,600 mitigation are admirable endeavors for 4327 03:10:57,600 --> 03:11:01,120 this board, Prop A funds were never 4328 03:11:01,120 --> 03:11:04,160 meant for this purpose. as I quote from 4329 03:11:04,160 --> 03:11:07,120 the Prop A language, for the acquiring 4330 03:11:07,120 --> 03:11:10,560 of open space and conservation land and 4331 03:11:10,560 --> 03:11:13,680 acquiring conservation easements on land 4332 03:11:13,680 --> 03:11:15,920 for any authorized purpose, including to 4333 03:11:15,920 --> 03:11:18,640 ensure its availability for recreation 4334 03:11:18,640 --> 03:11:22,560 or open space or to protect wildlife 4335 03:11:22,560 --> 03:11:25,840 habitat and water quality of creeks, 4336 03:11:25,840 --> 03:11:28,240 rivers, and springs. 4337 03:11:28,240 --> 03:11:32,080 Not once is safety and flood mitigation 4338 03:11:32,080 --> 03:11:35,520 used in that bond language, but with 4339 03:11:35,520 --> 03:11:38,240 enough legal ease, word smithing, and 4340 03:11:38,240 --> 03:11:40,399 whitewashing between this court and the 4341 03:11:40,399 --> 03:11:42,640 court attorney, you are evidently 4342 03:11:42,640 --> 03:11:45,200 creating the narrative to make you feel 4343 03:11:45,200 --> 03:11:47,040 comfortable to slip this past the 4344 03:11:47,040 --> 03:11:49,120 general public. 4345 03:11:49,120 --> 03:11:51,279 the prop A committee and you on this 4346 03:11:51,279 --> 03:11:52,960 court are in full knowledge of the 4347 03:11:52,960 --> 03:11:55,439 damage that you could potentially cause 4348 03:11:55,439 --> 03:11:57,520 to future generations and the face of 4349 03:11:57,520 --> 03:11:59,920 this county by snatching up the 4350 03:11:59,920 --> 03:12:02,399 remainder of dollars in Prop A which 4351 03:12:02,399 --> 03:12:04,880 will ultimately be used to supplement 4352 03:12:04,880 --> 03:12:06,560 development 4353 03:12:06,560 --> 03:12:09,760 instead of conserving land. I cannot say 4354 03:12:09,760 --> 03:12:12,160 and you are relying on the fact that I 4355 03:12:12,160 --> 03:12:14,880 can't say there is an other side of the 4356 03:12:14,880 --> 03:12:17,439 story that the public doesn't know and 4357 03:12:17,439 --> 03:12:20,080 is strictly conf confidential but you 4358 03:12:20,080 --> 03:12:20,479 know 4359 03:12:20,479 --> 03:12:22,000 >> can you succinctly wrap up please 4360 03:12:22,000 --> 03:12:24,560 >> I have just I assumed that we were 4361 03:12:24,560 --> 03:12:26,640 having three minutes I didn't know I was 4362 03:12:26,640 --> 03:12:28,240 going to be limited would you allow me 4363 03:12:28,240 --> 03:12:29,520 that 4364 03:12:29,520 --> 03:12:31,840 >> any objection for this general okay 4365 03:12:31,840 --> 03:12:33,520 we'll give you three you're finished for 4366 03:12:33,520 --> 03:12:34,240 three minutes 4367 03:12:34,240 --> 03:12:36,560 >> your actions with using Prop A funds to 4368 03:12:36,560 --> 03:12:39,359 fund alleged safety and flood mitigation 4369 03:12:39,359 --> 03:12:42,000 and oh a baseball diamond for Chad's 4370 03:12:42,000 --> 03:12:45,040 precinct is at best duplicitous 4371 03:12:45,040 --> 03:12:48,240 deceptive and the to the Prop A 4372 03:12:48,240 --> 03:12:50,399 committee ultimately to the citizens 4373 03:12:50,399 --> 03:12:53,840 extremely disrespectful. The possibility 4374 03:12:53,840 --> 03:12:56,240 of disaster for the entire southern half 4375 03:12:56,240 --> 03:12:58,800 of the county with your actions the ne 4376 03:12:58,800 --> 03:13:00,960 negative impact on tens of thousands of 4377 03:13:00,960 --> 03:13:03,600 citizens and potentially potentially 4378 03:13:03,600 --> 03:13:05,600 millions of people's water. Well, it 4379 03:13:05,600 --> 03:13:08,160 better be worth that baseball diamond. I 4380 03:13:08,160 --> 03:13:10,720 have spent hundreds, if not thousands of 4381 03:13:10,720 --> 03:13:13,840 hours in all of your behalf to help you 4382 03:13:13,840 --> 03:13:15,840 in supporting this county because I 4383 03:13:15,840 --> 03:13:19,200 believed in your servants's heart. These 4384 03:13:19,200 --> 03:13:22,880 are not actions of a servant's heart. 4385 03:13:22,880 --> 03:13:24,880 But you have one more opportunity to 4386 03:13:24,880 --> 03:13:27,680 correct this terrible decision before 4387 03:13:27,680 --> 03:13:29,600 it's finalized. 4388 03:13:29,600 --> 03:13:32,000 Do not follow through with the purchase 4389 03:13:32,000 --> 03:13:34,560 of the proposed land in executive 4390 03:13:34,560 --> 03:13:38,000 session with Prop A dollars. Do not tie 4391 03:13:38,000 --> 03:13:40,239 your three names to the worst action by 4392 03:13:40,239 --> 03:13:42,560 commissioner's court to ever affect this 4393 03:13:42,560 --> 03:13:43,840 county. Thank you. 4394 03:13:43,840 --> 03:13:48,469 >> Thank you, ma'am. Is 4395 03:13:48,479 --> 03:13:50,640 » Blake Roland, do you still want to 4396 03:13:50,640 --> 03:13:52,399 speak? Brody. 4397 03:13:52,399 --> 03:13:53,840 >> Okay. 4398 03:13:53,840 --> 03:13:54,960 >> Yeah, no worries. Thank you. 4399 03:13:54,960 --> 03:13:56,560 >> All right. 4400 03:13:56,560 --> 03:13:58,479 >> Hey, sorry I missed the uh the meeting 4401 03:13:58,479 --> 03:14:00,399 this morning where everybody was kind of 4402 03:14:00,399 --> 03:14:02,239 uh venting about their feelings. Uh Mr. 4403 03:14:02,239 --> 03:14:03,920 Chapman, thanks again. Um, I'm one of 4404 03:14:03,920 --> 03:14:05,600 those citizens that had the flock camera 4405 03:14:05,600 --> 03:14:08,080 right in front of their front gate. Um, 4406 03:14:08,080 --> 03:14:10,000 so I went to Mr. Chapman the other day 4407 03:14:10,000 --> 03:14:12,640 and uh and I kind of called the sheriff 4408 03:14:12,640 --> 03:14:14,960 too and I was like, "Look, like if I 4409 03:14:14,960 --> 03:14:17,040 just lay this camera down, like it's got 4410 03:14:17,040 --> 03:14:19,200 an easy disconnect. I'm not going to 4411 03:14:19,200 --> 03:14:20,399 break it. I'm going to lay it down. I 4412 03:14:20,399 --> 03:14:21,359 just don't want it scanning me every 4413 03:14:21,359 --> 03:14:24,160 time I go inside of my my driveway. Uh, 4414 03:14:24,160 --> 03:14:25,600 would you arrest me?" And they said, 4415 03:14:25,600 --> 03:14:27,600 "Yeah." I'm like, "What at what lengths 4416 03:14:27,600 --> 03:14:30,800 are we willing to go to protect our 4417 03:14:30,800 --> 03:14:32,080 citizens? We're going to throw people in 4418 03:14:32,080 --> 03:14:33,439 jail for not want to be scanned every 4419 03:14:33,439 --> 03:14:35,439 time they go into their driveway. Um, we 4420 03:14:35,439 --> 03:14:36,800 can move these things. I think there's a 4421 03:14:36,800 --> 03:14:38,960 solution to be found. Maybe not with 4422 03:14:38,960 --> 03:14:40,560 Flock, maybe not with a privatized 4423 03:14:40,560 --> 03:14:43,120 company, but I just want to say we 4424 03:14:43,120 --> 03:14:45,680 believe in y'all and uh think we can 4425 03:14:45,680 --> 03:14:47,200 come to a good solution that maybe 4426 03:14:47,200 --> 03:14:49,680 serves the public, but also doesn't kind 4427 03:14:49,680 --> 03:14:52,160 of get in the way of our privacy. So, 4428 03:14:52,160 --> 03:14:53,840 thanks for today and uh yeah, appreciate 4429 03:14:53,840 --> 03:14:54,160 you. 4430 03:14:54,160 --> 03:14:56,239 >> Great. Thank you for your comments. 4431 03:14:56,239 --> 03:15:00,239 >> Alice Hansler, are you still here? 4432 03:15:00,239 --> 03:15:02,399 All right. And last but not least, 4433 03:15:02,399 --> 03:15:04,880 Heather Vessie. 4434 03:15:04,880 --> 03:15:07,680 All right. Okay. So, now we're going to 4435 03:15:07,680 --> 03:15:10,000 recess till 1:15 for lunch. And with 4436 03:15:10,000 --> 03:15:15,269 that, we're in recess. 4437 03:15:15,279 --> 03:15:17,279 » Good afternoon, everyone. It's 1:15. 4438 03:15:17,279 --> 03:15:19,600 We're back on our regularly scheduled 4439 03:15:19,600 --> 03:15:22,720 agenda. Starting with agenda item 17, 4440 03:15:22,720 --> 03:15:24,479 consideration of possible action on the 4441 03:15:24,479 --> 03:15:27,680 investment report third quarter FY26 for 4442 03:15:27,680 --> 03:15:29,680 May and June. What do you got for us, 4443 03:15:29,680 --> 03:15:30,160 Cheryl? 4444 03:15:30,160 --> 03:15:33,120 >> Oh, good afternoon everyone. 4445 03:15:33,120 --> 03:15:36,000 Um, I just just real quick, I just 4446 03:15:36,000 --> 03:15:39,920 wanted to uh go over the investment uh 4447 03:15:39,920 --> 03:15:43,359 report um a little bit for you. Uh we 4448 03:15:43,359 --> 03:15:45,359 are holding consistent with interest 4449 03:15:45,359 --> 03:15:48,479 rates um in our logic, our our main 4450 03:15:48,479 --> 03:15:51,359 investment. We're consistently earning 4451 03:15:51,359 --> 03:15:54,960 over 400,000 every quarter in that fund. 4452 03:15:54,960 --> 03:15:57,040 However, you'll notice that our interest 4453 03:15:57,040 --> 03:15:59,520 in frost is is going down pretty 4454 03:15:59,520 --> 03:16:04,239 quickly. Um, so we're hoping that um our 4455 03:16:04,239 --> 03:16:06,080 new investment Texas range that that 4456 03:16:06,080 --> 03:16:08,160 y'all approved last quart is going to 4457 03:16:08,160 --> 03:16:10,880 make up for some of the losses that 4458 03:16:10,880 --> 03:16:12,319 we're getting elsewhere in interest 4459 03:16:12,319 --> 03:16:15,840 rates. We did have a C have it had a CD 4460 03:16:15,840 --> 03:16:17,359 that just matured that we're going to be 4461 03:16:17,359 --> 03:16:20,000 moving over to the new investment and 4462 03:16:20,000 --> 03:16:21,840 we're going to be hopefully opening that 4463 03:16:21,840 --> 03:16:26,399 up and getting 4.27 27% interest on that 4464 03:16:26,399 --> 03:16:29,439 and that will really be a nice change as 4465 03:16:29,439 --> 03:16:32,000 to the 10 basis points in frost. So, 4466 03:16:32,000 --> 03:16:34,960 just I just wanted to bring that to your 4467 03:16:34,960 --> 03:16:36,000 attention. 4468 03:16:36,000 --> 03:16:38,239 >> And then I just have the investment 4469 03:16:38,239 --> 03:16:53,590 report for y'all to sign, please. 4470 03:16:53,600 --> 03:17:00,950 by second. 4471 03:17:00,960 --> 03:17:02,239 » Commissioner McConnell. 4472 03:17:02,239 --> 03:17:02,800 >> Hi, 4473 03:17:02,800 --> 03:17:03,760 >> Commissioner Region. 4474 03:17:03,760 --> 03:17:04,319 >> Hi, 4475 03:17:04,319 --> 03:17:05,359 >> Commissioner Chapman. 4476 03:17:05,359 --> 03:17:05,920 >> Hi, 4477 03:17:05,920 --> 03:17:06,880 >> Commissioner. 4478 03:17:06,880 --> 03:17:07,359 >> Hi, 4479 03:17:07,359 --> 03:17:08,399 >> Commissioner. 4480 03:17:08,399 --> 03:17:12,880 >> I motion carries 5 to Z. Next, uh, 4481 03:17:12,880 --> 03:17:14,239 consideration possible action on a 4482 03:17:14,239 --> 03:17:16,479 payment of crude comp time at fiscal 4483 03:17:16,479 --> 03:17:19,040 year end. Hey, 4484 03:17:19,040 --> 03:17:21,439 >> good morning or good afternoon. Good 4485 03:17:21,439 --> 03:17:25,359 afternoon. You creature of habit. 4486 03:17:25,359 --> 03:17:27,439 Um 4487 03:17:27,439 --> 03:17:29,840 in FY25 4488 03:17:29,840 --> 03:17:32,880 uh the court decided to pay uh for the 4489 03:17:32,880 --> 03:17:35,520 first time really uh in a long time the 4490 03:17:35,520 --> 03:17:37,760 font time out that was in the banks and 4491 03:17:37,760 --> 03:17:40,239 I had requested this last fiscal year 4492 03:17:40,239 --> 03:17:42,479 and one of the reasons is that no matter 4493 03:17:42,479 --> 03:17:46,880 the amount at 9:30 any increases happen 4494 03:17:46,880 --> 03:17:51,040 October 1st um and then it's a bigger 4495 03:17:51,040 --> 03:17:53,359 liability on the books for the county 4496 03:17:53,359 --> 03:17:55,760 because you then owe more money out. And 4497 03:17:55,760 --> 03:17:59,120 so I've been watching the comp time uh 4498 03:17:59,120 --> 03:18:03,200 the last probably two months. And 4499 03:18:03,200 --> 03:18:05,120 currently we have 29 departments that 4500 03:18:05,120 --> 03:18:07,279 have employees, a total of 143 employees 4501 03:18:07,279 --> 03:18:09,120 with comp time on the books. I did call 4502 03:18:09,120 --> 03:18:11,520 every department about 3 weeks ago that 4503 03:18:11,520 --> 03:18:15,040 hit anybody over about 50 hours and just 4504 03:18:15,040 --> 03:18:18,720 said, "Hey, you know, I I can't tell you 4505 03:18:18,720 --> 03:18:20,720 uh to ask people to take off, but I just 4506 03:18:20,720 --> 03:18:22,000 want you to realize here are some people 4507 03:18:22,000 --> 03:18:24,080 who've earned a lot of time this year. 4508 03:18:24,080 --> 03:18:25,760 I'm not sure if it's situational or if 4509 03:18:25,760 --> 03:18:27,200 something happened. It's none of my 4510 03:18:27,200 --> 03:18:29,120 business, but I was going to be bringing 4511 03:18:29,120 --> 03:18:30,880 this to commissioner's court to request 4512 03:18:30,880 --> 03:18:33,120 to you for this fiscal year to pay that 4513 03:18:33,120 --> 03:18:35,760 out at uh fiscal year end. Right now 4514 03:18:35,760 --> 03:18:38,880 it's about it's $74,818 4515 03:18:38,880 --> 03:18:40,800 as of today. I happen to know some of 4516 03:18:40,800 --> 03:18:43,040 these hours that go off is payroll right 4517 03:18:43,040 --> 03:18:44,640 now that the human resource department 4518 03:18:44,640 --> 03:18:46,000 is working on payroll for this week. I 4519 03:18:46,000 --> 03:18:47,840 don't know how many people earn comp, 4520 03:18:47,840 --> 03:18:49,680 but um I just think it's a good idea if 4521 03:18:49,680 --> 03:18:52,000 the county has the funds to pay it out 4522 03:18:52,000 --> 03:18:54,000 at 9:30. Therefore, we're not carrying 4523 03:18:54,000 --> 03:18:56,080 those over and if there's increases in 4524 03:18:56,080 --> 03:18:58,720 any salaries, that money increases based 4525 03:18:58,720 --> 03:19:00,560 on those new salaries. This way, it's 4526 03:19:00,560 --> 03:19:02,880 paid out um in the fiscal year that 4527 03:19:02,880 --> 03:19:05,920 they've earned it. Also as as comp time 4528 03:19:05,920 --> 03:19:08,479 acrru up to 80 hours it can put a burden 4529 03:19:08,479 --> 03:19:10,160 on some of the smaller department 4530 03:19:10,160 --> 03:19:13,760 departments um once it acrus to 80 and 4531 03:19:13,760 --> 03:19:16,960 uh the hours in the bank then uh we're 4532 03:19:16,960 --> 03:19:18,880 automatically paying those out because 4533 03:19:18,880 --> 03:19:20,479 the current policy says you can only 4534 03:19:20,479 --> 03:19:22,800 acrew up to 80. And also if people 4535 03:19:22,800 --> 03:19:24,800 already get um you know their vacation 4536 03:19:24,800 --> 03:19:27,200 time and if it if it sits if it rolls 4537 03:19:27,200 --> 03:19:29,439 over and rolls over then people are 4538 03:19:29,439 --> 03:19:31,040 entitled to take that time off because 4539 03:19:31,040 --> 03:19:33,760 they have worked it. So, I'm just here 4540 03:19:33,760 --> 03:19:35,600 to ask you, I did budget funds in the 4541 03:19:35,600 --> 03:19:37,920 current year FY26 budget in a 4542 03:19:37,920 --> 03:19:39,680 contingency in the non-EP departmental 4543 03:19:39,680 --> 03:19:41,359 contingency for this purpose if it's 4544 03:19:41,359 --> 03:19:43,279 something that the court wanted to 4545 03:19:43,279 --> 03:19:44,800 entertain. 4546 03:19:44,800 --> 03:19:46,239 So, I'm here just to ask if that is 4547 03:19:46,239 --> 03:19:47,840 something y'all would like to do. I have 4548 03:19:47,840 --> 03:19:52,080 talked to HR and was assured 4549 03:19:52,080 --> 03:19:53,840 and Trisha that this that they could pay 4550 03:19:53,840 --> 03:19:56,080 this out the last commission the last 4551 03:19:56,080 --> 03:20:00,399 payroll of September if it is approved. 4552 03:20:00,399 --> 03:20:05,120 >> Okay. I entertain a motion as agenda 18. 4553 03:20:05,120 --> 03:20:07,680 >> Judge, I'd like to make a motion to 4554 03:20:07,680 --> 03:20:11,600 allow the uh auditor to pay out the 4555 03:20:11,600 --> 03:20:16,790 acred comp time at the 4556 03:20:16,800 --> 03:20:20,800 last uh of sep as of last of September. 4557 03:20:20,800 --> 03:20:22,640 >> It would be it would be on the last 4558 03:20:22,640 --> 03:20:25,040 payroll of September. 4559 03:20:25,040 --> 03:20:27,439 >> In the last payroll of September. 4560 03:20:27,439 --> 03:20:28,960 >> Mush made by Commissioner Chapman. 4561 03:20:28,960 --> 03:20:31,680 Second. Second. Commissioner Carpenter. 4562 03:20:31,680 --> 03:20:33,359 Any further discussion? There being 4563 03:20:33,359 --> 03:20:35,120 none, Teresa, please call the vote. 4564 03:20:35,120 --> 03:20:36,160 >> Commissioner McCall, 4565 03:20:36,160 --> 03:20:36,640 >> I. 4566 03:20:36,640 --> 03:20:37,600 >> Commissioner Ween, 4567 03:20:37,600 --> 03:20:38,160 >> I. 4568 03:20:38,160 --> 03:20:39,200 >> Commissioner Chap, 4569 03:20:39,200 --> 03:20:39,680 >> I. 4570 03:20:39,680 --> 03:20:41,040 >> Commissioner Carpenter. 4571 03:20:41,040 --> 03:20:42,000 >> Judge. 4572 03:20:42,000 --> 03:20:43,840 >> I. Motion carries five to zero. 4573 03:20:43,840 --> 03:20:44,399 >> Thank you. 4574 03:20:44,399 --> 03:20:46,319 Next. Uh, request for 4575 03:20:46,319 --> 03:20:47,520 commissioner report to review and 4576 03:20:47,520 --> 03:20:49,600 approve the proposed 2027 Kenno County 4577 03:20:49,600 --> 03:20:51,840 Sheriff's constable fees as recommended 4578 03:20:51,840 --> 03:20:54,479 by Sheriff El. Oxier, Consible Todd 4579 03:20:54,479 --> 03:20:56,319 Setliff, Conipible Paul Mill, Conipible 4580 03:20:56,319 --> 03:20:59,040 Jean Serene, Conipible Brian B, District 4581 03:20:59,040 --> 03:21:01,279 Clerk Susan Jackson, and County Clerk 4582 03:21:01,279 --> 03:21:05,359 Denise Maxwell. Um, so 4583 03:21:05,359 --> 03:21:06,319 >> good morning, gentlemen. 4584 03:21:06,319 --> 03:21:09,600 >> Annual review judge commissioners do an 4585 03:21:09,600 --> 03:21:11,200 annual review every year because we have 4586 03:21:11,200 --> 03:21:13,040 to look at where we want to go with our 4587 03:21:13,040 --> 03:21:14,800 fees, leave them the same, increase 4588 03:21:14,800 --> 03:21:18,720 them. We did the review, uh, sheriff, I 4589 03:21:18,720 --> 03:21:20,399 reviewed everything, all the costs, 4590 03:21:20,399 --> 03:21:22,880 discussed it. We basically felt like we 4591 03:21:22,880 --> 03:21:25,439 were right where we needed to be the 4592 03:21:25,439 --> 03:21:27,840 fees as we had had them for a couple of 4593 03:21:27,840 --> 03:21:30,239 years. The only thing that we suggested 4594 03:21:30,239 --> 03:21:33,600 was a change was the whenever we we give 4595 03:21:33,600 --> 03:21:36,080 any kind of service as far as a writ 4596 03:21:36,080 --> 03:21:37,840 takes a long time to do a rid of 4597 03:21:37,840 --> 03:21:40,000 possession or rid of attachment or all 4598 03:21:40,000 --> 03:21:42,880 those kind of rits. So we give two hours 4599 03:21:42,880 --> 03:21:45,680 to get that writ done. Sometimes it runs 4600 03:21:45,680 --> 03:21:49,120 over the 2-hour limit and we had had uh 4601 03:21:49,120 --> 03:21:52,160 basically a $50 per officer per hour 4602 03:21:52,160 --> 03:21:54,720 charge. We decided we needed to go to 4603 03:21:54,720 --> 03:21:58,640 $75 because of just tying an off an 4604 03:21:58,640 --> 03:22:01,840 officer up that long and it may take two 4605 03:22:01,840 --> 03:22:04,399 officers because when some of them are 4606 03:22:04,399 --> 03:22:06,880 kind of high-risisk type situations. So 4607 03:22:06,880 --> 03:22:08,560 that was our only change. We recommended 4608 03:22:08,560 --> 03:22:12,560 a $75 per hour from the $50 per hour fee 4609 03:22:12,560 --> 03:22:15,120 we had before. entertain a motion at 4610 03:22:15,120 --> 03:22:18,870 this time. 4611 03:22:18,880 --> 03:22:20,560 » Judge, I'd like to make a motion to 4612 03:22:20,560 --> 03:22:24,000 approve the proposed 2027 Kendall County 4613 03:22:24,000 --> 03:22:26,800 Sheriff and Constable fees 4614 03:22:26,800 --> 03:22:29,520 as recommended by Sheriff Oxier, 4615 03:22:29,520 --> 03:22:32,319 Constible Todd Sliff, Constible Paul No, 4616 03:22:32,319 --> 03:22:34,160 Constible Jean Serene, and Constible 4617 03:22:34,160 --> 03:22:36,640 Brian Vaughn, and District Clerk Susan 4618 03:22:36,640 --> 03:22:38,960 Jackson, and the county clerk Denise 4619 03:22:38,960 --> 03:22:40,080 Maxwell. 4620 03:22:40,080 --> 03:22:41,920 >> Motion made by Commissioner Jackson, 4621 03:22:41,920 --> 03:22:43,680 second by the judge. Any further 4622 03:22:43,680 --> 03:22:45,840 discussion? There being none, Teresa, 4623 03:22:45,840 --> 03:22:46,720 please call the vote. 4624 03:22:46,720 --> 03:22:47,760 >> Commissioner, 4625 03:22:47,760 --> 03:22:48,239 >> I. 4626 03:22:48,239 --> 03:22:49,279 >> Commissioner Ween, 4627 03:22:49,279 --> 03:22:49,760 >> I. 4628 03:22:49,760 --> 03:22:50,960 >> Commissioner Chapman, 4629 03:22:50,960 --> 03:22:51,359 >> I. 4630 03:22:51,359 --> 03:22:52,399 >> Commissioner Carpenter, 4631 03:22:52,399 --> 03:22:53,840 >> I 4632 03:22:53,840 --> 03:22:56,239 >> Motion carries 5 Z. Next up, 4633 03:22:56,239 --> 03:22:58,080 consideration and possible action on 4634 03:22:58,080 --> 03:23:00,560 request by the auditor to conduct not of 4635 03:23:00,560 --> 03:23:03,200 Kendo County Sheriff's 59 asset forfeite 4636 03:23:03,200 --> 03:23:06,000 for as required by article 59.06, the 4637 03:23:06,000 --> 03:23:08,239 preferred criminal procedure. 4638 03:23:08,239 --> 03:23:09,840 >> It's not a request by the county 4639 03:23:09,840 --> 03:23:10,640 auditor. 4640 03:23:10,640 --> 03:23:11,040 >> Okay. 4641 03:23:11,040 --> 03:23:11,760 >> It's a 4642 03:23:11,760 --> 03:23:13,120 >> as required. I'm sorry. 4643 03:23:13,120 --> 03:23:14,640 >> It 4644 03:23:14,640 --> 03:23:16,800 >> I now have to sign off that I was 4645 03:23:16,800 --> 03:23:19,279 requested by the commissioner's court. 4646 03:23:19,279 --> 03:23:19,760 >> Okay. 4647 03:23:19,760 --> 03:23:21,520 >> To do the audit. It's just a routine 4648 03:23:21,520 --> 03:23:21,840 thing. 4649 03:23:21,840 --> 03:23:22,640 >> Okay. It's a routine. 4650 03:23:22,640 --> 03:23:24,399 >> It's not requested by me. 4651 03:23:24,399 --> 03:23:27,920 >> The court to request me to to do it. 4652 03:23:27,920 --> 03:23:29,439 >> Understood. We'll have to work on the 4653 03:23:29,439 --> 03:23:31,680 wording for the final stage for the 4654 03:23:31,680 --> 03:23:32,960 motion. It's a routine. 4655 03:23:32,960 --> 03:23:35,120 >> It's an annual annual deal that we do 4656 03:23:35,120 --> 03:23:36,880 every year for chapter 59 asset 4657 03:23:36,880 --> 03:23:37,520 forfeiture. 4658 03:23:37,520 --> 03:23:39,200 >> Okay. I'll entertain a motion as to this 4659 03:23:39,200 --> 03:23:41,520 item. Judge, I move to approve that the 4660 03:23:41,520 --> 03:23:43,200 county auditor conduct an audit of the 4661 03:23:43,200 --> 03:23:44,960 Kindle County Sheriff's Office chapter 4662 03:23:44,960 --> 03:23:48,000 59 asset forfeite report as required by 4663 03:23:48,000 --> 03:23:50,319 59.06 of the code of criminal 4664 03:23:50,319 --> 03:23:50,960 procedures. 4665 03:23:50,960 --> 03:23:51,600 >> Motion. 4666 03:23:51,600 --> 03:23:54,560 >> I know I know it seems like I'm like a a 4667 03:23:54,560 --> 03:23:56,800 picky thing, but I make a motion to 4668 03:23:56,800 --> 03:23:58,720 request that the county auditor perform 4669 03:23:58,720 --> 03:24:00,080 the audit. 4670 03:24:00,080 --> 03:24:02,319 >> I would like to amend my motion. Um, I 4671 03:24:02,319 --> 03:24:05,120 move to request that the county auditor 4672 03:24:05,120 --> 03:24:06,640 conduct an audit of the Kendall County 4673 03:24:06,640 --> 03:24:08,640 Sheriff's Office chapter 59 asset 4674 03:24:08,640 --> 03:24:12,479 forfeite report as required by 59.06 of 4675 03:24:12,479 --> 03:24:14,239 the code of criminal procedure. 4676 03:24:14,239 --> 03:24:15,760 >> Motion made by Commissioner Region. Do I 4677 03:24:15,760 --> 03:24:16,239 have a second? 4678 03:24:16,239 --> 03:24:16,640 >> Second. 4679 03:24:16,640 --> 03:24:18,000 by Commissioner McCall. Any 4680 03:24:18,000 --> 03:24:20,239 further discussion? None. Teresa, please 4681 03:24:20,239 --> 03:24:21,040 call the vote. 4682 03:24:21,040 --> 03:24:22,479 >> Commissioner Thi. 4683 03:24:22,479 --> 03:24:23,439 >> Commissioner Region. 4684 03:24:23,439 --> 03:24:23,920 >> I. 4685 03:24:23,920 --> 03:24:24,880 >> Commissioner Chapman. 4686 03:24:24,880 --> 03:24:25,359 >> Hi. 4687 03:24:25,359 --> 03:24:26,319 >> Commissioner Carpenter. 4688 03:24:26,319 --> 03:24:26,640 >> Hi. 4689 03:24:26,640 --> 03:24:27,520 >> Judge Tiza. 4690 03:24:27,520 --> 03:24:30,000 >> I. Motion carries 5. Next up, 4691 03:24:30,000 --> 03:24:31,520 consideration possible action regarding 4692 03:24:31,520 --> 03:24:33,520 the asset transfer request to transfer 4693 03:24:33,520 --> 03:24:36,720 against units 1913, which is a 2019 Ford 4694 03:24:36,720 --> 03:24:42,550 F250 from RA patrol to detention. 4695 03:24:42,560 --> 03:24:49,520 All right. And so I guess this is a vehicle that's no longer being used by 4696 03:24:49,520 --> 03:24:52,160 detention or by animal control and it's 4697 03:24:52,160 --> 03:24:54,319 going to be have a good use in 4698 03:24:54,319 --> 03:24:56,160 detention. Yes, I believe the detention 4699 03:24:56,160 --> 03:24:58,160 office is already using this truck and 4700 03:24:58,160 --> 03:25:00,640 so we just said uh we told Captain Green 4701 03:25:00,640 --> 03:25:01,840 he had to put it on the agenda for the 4702 03:25:01,840 --> 03:25:03,279 court to accept the transfer from the 4703 03:25:03,279 --> 03:25:04,720 sheriff's office over to the detention 4704 03:25:04,720 --> 03:25:05,200 center. 4705 03:25:05,200 --> 03:25:06,640 >> Okay, I'll entertain a motion at this 4706 03:25:06,640 --> 03:25:10,560 time as agenda item 21. 4707 03:25:10,560 --> 03:25:12,319 Judge, I'd like to make a motion to 4708 03:25:12,319 --> 03:25:14,080 approve 4709 03:25:14,080 --> 03:25:17,439 moving the asset or approve the asset 4710 03:25:17,439 --> 03:25:19,840 transfer 4711 03:25:19,840 --> 03:25:22,880 request to transfer unit 1913, which is 4712 03:25:22,880 --> 03:25:28,239 a 2019 Ford F250 from an animal control 4713 03:25:28,239 --> 03:25:29,439 to detention. 4714 03:25:29,439 --> 03:25:30,880 >> Motion made by Commissioner Chapman. Do 4715 03:25:30,880 --> 03:25:32,479 I have a second? Second by Commissioner 4716 03:25:32,479 --> 03:25:34,800 Carpenter. Any further discussion? There 4717 03:25:34,800 --> 03:25:36,479 being none, Teresa, you're up. 4718 03:25:36,479 --> 03:25:37,520 >> Commissioner McConnell, 4719 03:25:37,520 --> 03:25:38,000 >> I. 4720 03:25:38,000 --> 03:25:38,960 >> Commissioner Legion, 4721 03:25:38,960 --> 03:25:40,560 >> I. Commissioner Chapman. 4722 03:25:40,560 --> 03:25:40,960 >> I, 4723 03:25:40,960 --> 03:25:43,200 >> Commissioner Carpenter, 4724 03:25:43,200 --> 03:25:45,920 >> I. Motion carries 5 Z. Next up, 4725 03:25:45,920 --> 03:25:47,439 consideration action to approve the list 4726 03:25:47,439 --> 03:25:49,359 of Central Count Station personnel. 4727 03:25:49,359 --> 03:25:57,990 Stacy Decker. 4728 03:25:58,000 --> 03:25:59,840 » Good afternoon. 4729 03:25:59,840 --> 03:26:01,920 >> Or afternoon. I feel like it's still 4730 03:26:01,920 --> 03:26:04,560 morning for me. Um uh so our first 4731 03:26:04,560 --> 03:26:07,840 agenda item is approving our central 4732 03:26:07,840 --> 03:26:09,760 count station personnel. This is my 4733 03:26:09,760 --> 03:26:11,439 office staff. We don't appoint anybody 4734 03:26:11,439 --> 03:26:13,680 outside of our office to serve at 4735 03:26:13,680 --> 03:26:15,600 central count as part of our central 4736 03:26:15,600 --> 03:26:18,160 count team. Um so this is just a list of 4737 03:26:18,160 --> 03:26:19,920 my office employees and this will be 4738 03:26:19,920 --> 03:26:22,560 good for a one-year term starting 4739 03:26:22,560 --> 03:26:25,040 September 1st and it'll be you know 4740 03:26:25,040 --> 03:26:27,040 ending August 31st next year 4741 03:26:27,040 --> 03:26:28,880 essentially. 4742 03:26:28,880 --> 03:26:30,560 >> Okay. 4743 03:26:30,560 --> 03:26:33,040 in the central count and that's all your 4744 03:26:33,040 --> 03:26:34,640 employees 4745 03:26:34,640 --> 03:26:36,479 >> employees currently. Yes. Okay. 4746 03:26:36,479 --> 03:26:38,160 >> Thank you. 4747 03:26:38,160 --> 03:26:38,800 >> Right. 4748 03:26:38,800 --> 03:26:40,160 >> You have four 4749 03:26:40,160 --> 03:26:43,670 >> the official ones. 4750 03:26:43,680 --> 03:26:45,359 » Stacy, you have four employees. 4751 03:26:45,359 --> 03:26:46,160 >> I do. Yes. 4752 03:26:46,160 --> 03:26:47,760 >> Okay. So, at this time, I'll entertain a 4753 03:26:47,760 --> 03:26:50,000 motion as agenda item 22. 4754 03:26:50,000 --> 03:26:52,319 >> I move Oh, go ahead. No, go ahead. I 4755 03:26:52,319 --> 03:26:54,000 move to approve the list of central 4756 03:26:54,000 --> 03:26:55,840 count station personnel. 4757 03:26:55,840 --> 03:26:57,040 >> Okay. Motion made by Commissioner 4758 03:26:57,040 --> 03:26:58,319 McCall. Do I have a second? 4759 03:26:58,319 --> 03:27:00,560 >> Second. Seconded by Commissioner Wean. 4760 03:27:00,560 --> 03:27:02,319 Any further discussion? There being 4761 03:27:02,319 --> 03:27:04,000 none, Teresa, please call the vote. 4762 03:27:04,000 --> 03:27:05,040 >> Commissioner McCart, 4763 03:27:05,040 --> 03:27:05,520 >> I. 4764 03:27:05,520 --> 03:27:06,560 >> Commissioner Region, 4765 03:27:06,560 --> 03:27:06,960 >> I. 4766 03:27:06,960 --> 03:27:08,080 >> Commissioner Chapman, 4767 03:27:08,080 --> 03:27:08,479 >> I. 4768 03:27:08,479 --> 03:27:09,520 >> Commissioner Carpenter, 4769 03:27:09,520 --> 03:27:10,720 >> Izz, 4770 03:27:10,720 --> 03:27:13,359 >> I. Motion carries 5 Z. Next up, 4771 03:27:13,359 --> 03:27:14,800 consideration action to approve the list 4772 03:27:14,800 --> 03:27:16,479 of election judges for a one-year term 4773 03:27:16,479 --> 03:27:19,279 begin October 1st, 2026. 4774 03:27:19,279 --> 03:27:21,439 >> And this one should actually begin 4775 03:27:21,439 --> 03:27:24,479 September 1st, 2026. So, for our agenda 4776 03:27:24,479 --> 03:27:27,200 item, for purposes of approving it, we 4777 03:27:27,200 --> 03:27:30,880 need the September 1st start date. 4778 03:27:30,880 --> 03:27:33,200 Um, I'm going to provide you the list of 4779 03:27:33,200 --> 03:27:36,319 election judges um for our election day 4780 03:27:36,319 --> 03:27:38,479 polling locations, our central count, 4781 03:27:38,479 --> 03:27:40,880 and our early voting ballot board. This 4782 03:27:40,880 --> 03:27:42,960 is from the list of judges that both 4783 03:27:42,960 --> 03:27:46,239 parties get an opportunity to submit for 4784 03:27:46,239 --> 03:27:48,640 appointment. Um, so these are people 4785 03:27:48,640 --> 03:27:50,160 that have been approved by the 4786 03:27:50,160 --> 03:27:51,760 Republican and the Democratic party 4787 03:27:51,760 --> 03:27:54,000 locally. It comes to y'all for the 4788 03:27:54,000 --> 03:27:56,000 official appointment. 4789 03:27:56,000 --> 03:27:57,760 >> At this time, I'll entertain a motion as 4790 03:27:57,760 --> 03:27:59,040 to this agenda item. 4791 03:27:59,040 --> 03:28:00,880 >> Judge, I move to approve the list of 4792 03:28:00,880 --> 03:28:02,800 election judges for a one-year term 4793 03:28:02,800 --> 03:28:06,080 beginning September 1st, 2026. 4794 03:28:06,080 --> 03:28:07,279 >> Uh, we have a motion made by 4795 03:28:07,279 --> 03:28:08,800 Commissioner Wean. Do I have a second? 4796 03:28:08,800 --> 03:28:09,840 >> Second. 4797 03:28:09,840 --> 03:28:11,760 >> Seconded by Commissioner McCall. Any 4798 03:28:11,760 --> 03:28:13,760 further discussion? There being none, 4799 03:28:13,760 --> 03:28:15,040 Teresa, please call the vote. 4800 03:28:15,040 --> 03:28:16,000 >> Commissioner, 4801 03:28:16,000 --> 03:28:16,479 >> I. 4802 03:28:16,479 --> 03:28:17,520 >> Commissioner, 4803 03:28:17,520 --> 03:28:17,920 >> I. 4804 03:28:17,920 --> 03:28:18,960 >> Commissioner, 4805 03:28:18,960 --> 03:28:20,399 >> I. Commissioner Carpenter. 4806 03:28:20,399 --> 03:28:21,920 >> I 4807 03:28:21,920 --> 03:28:23,920 motion carries 5 to zero. 4808 03:28:23,920 --> 03:28:24,479 >> Thank you. 4809 03:28:24,479 --> 03:28:25,359 >> Uh, next up, 4810 03:28:25,359 --> 03:28:26,160 >> thank you, Stacy. 4811 03:28:26,160 --> 03:28:27,600 >> Consideration possible action regarding 4812 03:28:27,600 --> 03:28:28,960 the appointment of a representative to 4813 03:28:28,960 --> 03:28:30,560 Kendall County Appraisal District Board 4814 03:28:30,560 --> 03:28:32,399 of Directors to fill the vacancy created 4815 03:28:32,399 --> 03:28:35,520 by the resignation of Rodney Rodney G. 4816 03:28:35,520 --> 03:28:37,120 Edni. 4817 03:28:37,120 --> 03:28:39,600 >> Judge, I have put an email in to ask 4818 03:28:39,600 --> 03:28:43,359 about the appointment process now that resolution from the appraisal 4819 03:28:43,359 --> 03:28:46,479 district uh was objected to by a 4820 03:28:46,479 --> 03:28:47,760 different taxing entity and I'm waiting 4821 03:28:47,760 --> 03:28:49,680 to hear back. But my advice would be to 4822 03:28:49,680 --> 03:28:51,840 go ahead and appoint someone today and 4823 03:28:51,840 --> 03:28:53,920 if the appointment method changes, we'll 4824 03:28:53,920 --> 03:28:55,680 revisit this issue at a future meeting. 4825 03:28:55,680 --> 03:28:56,239 >> That's those down. 4826 03:28:56,239 --> 03:28:58,000 >> Yes, ma'am. 4827 03:28:58,000 --> 03:28:59,680 >> Judge, I talked to a few people in the 4828 03:28:59,680 --> 03:29:01,760 community and I was able to get one 4829 03:29:01,760 --> 03:29:04,160 person interested and serving on this 4830 03:29:04,160 --> 03:29:05,680 board. 4831 03:29:05,680 --> 03:29:07,439 Um, general counsel, how do you want to 4832 03:29:07,439 --> 03:29:10,160 handle speaking about this person and 4833 03:29:10,160 --> 03:29:13,600 interviewing him? Um, do we have any any 4834 03:29:13,600 --> 03:29:16,080 protocol or counsel? 4835 03:29:16,080 --> 03:29:17,760 As far as I know, you haven't done that 4836 03:29:17,760 --> 03:29:19,920 in the past. Uh, at the last meeting, we 4837 03:29:19,920 --> 03:29:21,600 talked about commissioners bringing 4838 03:29:21,600 --> 03:29:23,200 forward anyone who was interested in 4839 03:29:23,200 --> 03:29:24,960 serving. Then you could discuss and 4840 03:29:24,960 --> 03:29:27,120 choose a candidate. Uh, if you'd like to 4841 03:29:27,120 --> 03:29:29,439 interview someone, you could do that. Or 4842 03:29:29,439 --> 03:29:30,960 if there's only one person who's 4843 03:29:30,960 --> 03:29:32,319 expressed interest, the court could 4844 03:29:32,319 --> 03:29:34,479 choose to appoint or to push the 4845 03:29:34,479 --> 03:29:35,760 appointment to a different date. You 4846 03:29:35,760 --> 03:29:38,160 have lots of options. 4847 03:29:38,160 --> 03:29:40,800 >> Did anyone else get any names, judge? 4848 03:29:40,800 --> 03:29:42,720 >> Uh, no. This is the only applicant I'm 4849 03:29:42,720 --> 03:29:44,800 aware of. So, I mean, I'm comfortable 4850 03:29:44,800 --> 03:29:46,640 just 4851 03:29:46,640 --> 03:29:50,000 this uh potential appointee. I don't 4852 03:29:50,000 --> 03:29:51,760 know if anyone else is. 4853 03:29:51,760 --> 03:29:53,200 >> Give everybody a minute to look at it. 4854 03:29:53,200 --> 03:29:59,510 Yes. 4855 03:29:59,520 --> 03:30:01,760 » So, I wanted to say that I think we do 4856 03:30:01,760 --> 03:30:03,920 need to fill this position today because 4857 03:30:03,920 --> 03:30:06,560 September 2nd, which will be before we 4858 03:30:06,560 --> 03:30:08,399 have our next commissioner's court, the 4859 03:30:08,399 --> 03:30:10,640 appraisal board is going to uh review 4860 03:30:10,640 --> 03:30:13,200 their budget and the budget's going to 4861 03:30:13,200 --> 03:30:15,840 increase by almost $100,000. So, I think 4862 03:30:15,840 --> 03:30:18,880 we do need a representative there with 4863 03:30:18,880 --> 03:30:22,000 our vote. Um but I also wanted to know 4864 03:30:22,000 --> 03:30:23,840 how how have we done this in the past? 4865 03:30:23,840 --> 03:30:26,399 Do we h interact with them quarterly? 4866 03:30:26,399 --> 03:30:29,600 How do we you know how how does that 4867 03:30:29,600 --> 03:30:33,200 >> this process we inherited 4868 03:30:33,200 --> 03:30:36,000 the Mr. Edmonson from the prior court. 4869 03:30:36,000 --> 03:30:37,600 So this is our first chance to ever 4870 03:30:37,600 --> 03:30:40,720 appoint someone and so we didn't really 4871 03:30:40,720 --> 03:30:42,560 establish a process for interacting. And 4872 03:30:42,560 --> 03:30:44,000 so this is our first opportunity to set 4873 03:30:44,000 --> 03:30:46,160 a precedent for what we what our 4874 03:30:46,160 --> 03:30:48,640 expectations are. And so we can set up 4875 03:30:48,640 --> 03:30:51,120 another court where we sit down with our 4876 03:30:51,120 --> 03:30:53,520 new appointee and kind of lay out what 4877 03:30:53,520 --> 03:30:55,520 we expect of updates and things of that 4878 03:30:55,520 --> 03:30:57,840 nature. So if you'd like to do something 4879 03:30:57,840 --> 03:30:59,760 like that, we can certainly entertain 4880 03:30:59,760 --> 03:31:01,520 that at a later date. But if the today's 4881 03:31:01,520 --> 03:31:03,040 main concern is to 4882 03:31:03,040 --> 03:31:04,479 >> get the appointment done, but we can 4883 03:31:04,479 --> 03:31:06,160 address your concerns down the road if 4884 03:31:06,160 --> 03:31:06,399 you'd like. 4885 03:31:06,399 --> 03:31:08,160 >> Well, just again to just make sure that 4886 03:31:08,160 --> 03:31:10,160 we're that they're representing the 4887 03:31:10,160 --> 03:31:12,080 court's interest. just understood your 4888 03:31:12,080 --> 03:31:12,560 concern. 4889 03:31:12,560 --> 03:31:14,640 >> So this candidate's name is Neil Ree. He 4890 03:31:14,640 --> 03:31:18,000 is a bonafide member of of the county, 4891 03:31:18,000 --> 03:31:19,439 resident of Kendall County. He has an 4892 03:31:19,439 --> 03:31:22,080 MBA, University of Texas San Antonio, a 4893 03:31:22,080 --> 03:31:25,439 BA of Rice University. So um you can see 4894 03:31:25,439 --> 03:31:27,200 his professional and technical 4895 03:31:27,200 --> 03:31:30,319 experience through here. Um I'm I'm 4896 03:31:30,319 --> 03:31:32,399 happy moving forward with Mr. Rey. is 4897 03:31:32,399 --> 03:31:35,760 very uh eager to serve and in light of 4898 03:31:35,760 --> 03:31:37,760 no other candidates and we need to do 4899 03:31:37,760 --> 03:31:40,000 something. I'm good with uh 4900 03:31:40,000 --> 03:31:42,319 >> he's no nonsense and very direct and 4901 03:31:42,319 --> 03:31:45,120 analytical and I think he brings to the 4902 03:31:45,120 --> 03:31:46,399 table what we're looking for in a 4903 03:31:46,399 --> 03:31:50,399 representative. So I so would you like 4904 03:31:50,399 --> 03:31:51,600 to make a motion commissioner? 4905 03:31:51,600 --> 03:31:54,239 >> Sure, judge. Um I move to appoint Neil 4906 03:31:54,239 --> 03:31:57,120 D. Reby to 4907 03:31:57,120 --> 03:32:00,560 where are we? Hold on. um to the Kendall 4908 03:32:00,560 --> 03:32:01,840 County Appraisal District Board of 4909 03:32:01,840 --> 03:32:03,600 Directors to fill the vacancy created by 4910 03:32:03,600 --> 03:32:05,680 the resignation of Rodney G. Edmonson. 4911 03:32:05,680 --> 03:32:07,200 >> Motion made by Commissioner Wean, second 4912 03:32:07,200 --> 03:32:09,600 by the judge. Any further discussion? If 4913 03:32:09,600 --> 03:32:12,080 not, Teresa, please call the vote. 4914 03:32:12,080 --> 03:32:13,359 >> Commissioner M. 4915 03:32:13,359 --> 03:32:13,920 >> I. 4916 03:32:13,920 --> 03:32:14,880 >> Commissioner. 4917 03:32:14,880 --> 03:32:15,359 >> I. 4918 03:32:15,359 --> 03:32:16,399 >> Commissioner, 4919 03:32:16,399 --> 03:32:19,279 >> I 4920 03:32:19,279 --> 03:32:22,319 motion carries five to zero. Next up, 4921 03:32:22,319 --> 03:32:24,000 consideration possible action handling 4922 03:32:24,000 --> 03:32:26,720 of a res of revised job descriptions. 4923 03:32:26,720 --> 03:32:29,600 Commissioner Chapman, you're up. So, 4924 03:32:29,600 --> 03:32:32,720 I've gotten several different uh 4925 03:32:32,720 --> 03:32:34,880 department heads have talked to me, 4926 03:32:34,880 --> 03:32:38,239 which is why I wanted to bring this in. 4927 03:32:38,239 --> 03:32:43,680 Anyway, first of all, the attached 4928 03:32:43,680 --> 03:32:45,200 uh 4929 03:32:45,200 --> 03:32:48,720 instructions on how to file these job 4930 03:32:48,720 --> 03:32:51,439 descriptions were never filed and 4931 03:32:51,439 --> 03:32:55,439 officially approved by the court. And so 4932 03:32:55,439 --> 03:32:57,920 I don't think that they 4933 03:32:57,920 --> 03:33:02,080 should apply. Number one. Number two, 4934 03:33:02,080 --> 03:33:06,560 this needs to be going to HR and not a 4935 03:33:06,560 --> 03:33:09,200 commissioner, not 4936 03:33:09,200 --> 03:33:11,760 a commissioner's helper, not somebody 4937 03:33:11,760 --> 03:33:15,600 else. This needs to go to HR. This is a 4938 03:33:15,600 --> 03:33:17,920 function of HR. 4939 03:33:17,920 --> 03:33:20,080 And if we don't 4940 03:33:20,080 --> 03:33:22,319 have confidence in our HR department, 4941 03:33:22,319 --> 03:33:25,200 then we need to fire. And she's sitting 4942 03:33:25,200 --> 03:33:27,279 right out here. 4943 03:33:27,279 --> 03:33:29,359 So 4944 03:33:29,359 --> 03:33:34,950 I think we need to quit 4945 03:33:34,960 --> 03:33:36,880 scrutinizing all of these departments. 4946 03:33:36,880 --> 03:33:38,479 Let them do their job. If they're not 4947 03:33:38,479 --> 03:33:40,399 doing their job, 4948 03:33:40,399 --> 03:33:42,399 we need to tell them, give them time to 4949 03:33:42,399 --> 03:33:45,840 correct, and then bring it back in. But 4950 03:33:45,840 --> 03:33:48,319 this document that was handed to these 4951 03:33:48,319 --> 03:33:51,680 people to uh turn in is not a valid 4952 03:33:51,680 --> 03:33:53,680 document. 4953 03:33:53,680 --> 03:33:57,359 >> So I like to respond. Um first of all, 4954 03:33:57,359 --> 03:34:00,160 this process is working. Um I have 4955 03:34:00,160 --> 03:34:02,160 several department heads and elected 4956 03:34:02,160 --> 03:34:04,640 officials who have agreed that this 4957 03:34:04,640 --> 03:34:08,479 process is needed. It did pass the um 4958 03:34:08,479 --> 03:34:10,960 the review and maintenance process did 4959 03:34:10,960 --> 03:34:13,840 pass commissioner's court on July 14th 4960 03:34:13,840 --> 03:34:16,399 of this year. Um, and this is just a 4961 03:34:16,399 --> 03:34:19,439 detailed process that I put together to 4962 03:34:19,439 --> 03:34:22,800 aid those in turning in the job 4963 03:34:22,800 --> 03:34:27,040 descriptions. Um, when we did the job 4964 03:34:27,040 --> 03:34:32,239 description training, I asked HR if the 4965 03:34:32,239 --> 03:34:34,720 it how soon we could get these job 4966 03:34:34,720 --> 03:34:36,560 descriptions done, and I was told by the 4967 03:34:36,560 --> 03:34:39,840 end of the year. Um, I I thought we 4968 03:34:39,840 --> 03:34:41,520 could get to it sooner, which is why I 4969 03:34:41,520 --> 03:34:44,640 put it on the agenda. Um, I was also 4970 03:34:44,640 --> 03:34:47,439 told that that that department was busy 4971 03:34:47,439 --> 03:34:49,520 till the end of the year. And so I 4972 03:34:49,520 --> 03:34:53,279 wanted to make it not as invasive on the 4973 03:34:53,279 --> 03:34:55,279 HR department to be receiving all of 4974 03:34:55,279 --> 03:34:57,600 these job descriptions and that's why I 4975 03:34:57,600 --> 03:35:00,000 put this process together 4976 03:35:00,000 --> 03:35:03,200 um and instructions. Uh, this is the 4977 03:35:03,200 --> 03:35:05,040 first time Kendall County has had this 4978 03:35:05,040 --> 03:35:08,479 process put in place. Um, and it's it's 4979 03:35:08,479 --> 03:35:11,359 never happened before. So I can see 4980 03:35:11,359 --> 03:35:14,160 concern or you know resistance to change 4981 03:35:14,160 --> 03:35:18,080 but I have heard um from 4982 03:35:18,080 --> 03:35:20,880 some elected officials and department 4983 03:35:20,880 --> 03:35:23,760 heads that this is needed. Um one 4984 03:35:23,760 --> 03:35:27,760 department um has a full department job 4985 03:35:27,760 --> 03:35:29,920 descriptions that need to be redone. If 4986 03:35:29,920 --> 03:35:31,840 we reinvent the wheel and start the 4987 03:35:31,840 --> 03:35:33,520 process all over which is supposed to 4988 03:35:33,520 --> 03:35:36,479 culminate at the end of September then 4989 03:35:36,479 --> 03:35:38,560 we're going to slow this down. the 4990 03:35:38,560 --> 03:35:42,560 instructions were created to make the 4991 03:35:42,560 --> 03:35:46,479 process quicker and again just answer 4992 03:35:46,479 --> 03:35:48,160 all the questions. I still have had 4993 03:35:48,160 --> 03:35:49,520 questions and we're going to this is 4994 03:35:49,520 --> 03:35:53,120 new. Um but I do 4995 03:35:53,120 --> 03:35:56,080 uh think that the process of how to turn 4996 03:35:56,080 --> 03:35:58,800 them in in the event that the person 4997 03:35:58,800 --> 03:36:00,399 they're turning them into is not 4998 03:36:00,399 --> 03:36:02,720 available. I have a backup plan. And 4999 03:36:02,720 --> 03:36:06,000 again, that way we're only going to HR 5000 03:36:06,000 --> 03:36:08,319 with a group of job descriptions, not 5001 03:36:08,319 --> 03:36:11,840 inter interjecting any kind of business 5002 03:36:11,840 --> 03:36:13,600 for job descriptions throughout the day, 5003 03:36:13,600 --> 03:36:17,359 just once. Um, so again, I think this 5004 03:36:17,359 --> 03:36:19,600 process is very important. It recognizes 5005 03:36:19,600 --> 03:36:21,840 the values of our employees, making sure 5006 03:36:21,840 --> 03:36:24,960 they're fairly compensated. Um, it inc 5007 03:36:24,960 --> 03:36:27,040 it also protects the county by ensuring 5008 03:36:27,040 --> 03:36:28,640 the current job descriptions are 5009 03:36:28,640 --> 03:36:31,120 accurate and they're maintained in human 5010 03:36:31,120 --> 03:36:32,880 resources, reducing any kind of 5011 03:36:32,880 --> 03:36:35,920 liability concerns. Um, it provides 5012 03:36:35,920 --> 03:36:38,000 transparency to our taxpayers, as I 5013 03:36:38,000 --> 03:36:40,080 explained when we when we did pass this 5014 03:36:40,080 --> 03:36:42,479 by demonstrating that county resources 5015 03:36:42,479 --> 03:36:44,800 are being managed responsibly and that 5016 03:36:44,800 --> 03:36:46,319 their tax dollars are being used 5017 03:36:46,319 --> 03:36:49,040 effectively and efficiently. 5018 03:36:49,040 --> 03:36:50,479 >> I agree that we need the job 5019 03:36:50,479 --> 03:36:53,760 descriptions. What a disagree with the 5020 03:36:53,760 --> 03:36:58,239 you the use of words shall and must 5021 03:36:58,239 --> 03:37:00,960 to elected officials and department 5022 03:37:00,960 --> 03:37:05,520 heads. Also would like to say when these 5023 03:37:05,520 --> 03:37:08,479 eventually do come in, they have to be 5024 03:37:08,479 --> 03:37:10,880 brought to court and approved by court. 5025 03:37:10,880 --> 03:37:13,600 And what I don't want to see is that we 5026 03:37:13,600 --> 03:37:16,080 are presented on one commissioner's 5027 03:37:16,080 --> 03:37:18,399 court meeting with a hundred job 5028 03:37:18,399 --> 03:37:20,720 descriptions to approve in one 5029 03:37:20,720 --> 03:37:22,640 commissioner's court. That would not be 5030 03:37:22,640 --> 03:37:25,439 fair to this court or anybody else 5031 03:37:25,439 --> 03:37:27,359 because there's no way we can approve 5032 03:37:27,359 --> 03:37:30,640 that many. So each one of these job 5033 03:37:30,640 --> 03:37:33,200 descriptions has to come back to court 5034 03:37:33,200 --> 03:37:37,439 for approval. Once that's done, then we 5035 03:37:37,439 --> 03:37:40,560 can actually file them with HR. So, if 5036 03:37:40,560 --> 03:37:43,200 it's an existing job description with no 5037 03:37:43,200 --> 03:37:46,080 changes, maybe 5038 03:37:46,080 --> 03:37:49,520 no substantive changes to the job, we 5039 03:37:49,520 --> 03:37:52,560 are simply doing a review process and 5040 03:37:52,560 --> 03:37:55,200 getting the the employee to sign and 5041 03:37:55,200 --> 03:37:58,160 date it. And we have an an accepted job 5042 03:37:58,160 --> 03:37:59,760 description on file just like when 5043 03:37:59,760 --> 03:38:02,479 they're hired. So, any kind of changes 5044 03:38:02,479 --> 03:38:04,000 and what I spoke about was one 5045 03:38:04,000 --> 03:38:06,319 department where there every single job 5046 03:38:06,319 --> 03:38:07,840 description needs to be changed. there's 5047 03:38:07,840 --> 03:38:10,800 five people in that department. Th those 5048 03:38:10,800 --> 03:38:12,560 have fallen through the cracks and we 5049 03:38:12,560 --> 03:38:14,319 need an accurate job description so that 5050 03:38:14,319 --> 03:38:17,439 if there was some type of a liability 5051 03:38:17,439 --> 03:38:20,720 issue, we would have on file a current 5052 03:38:20,720 --> 03:38:22,640 job description. So in that case, yes, 5053 03:38:22,640 --> 03:38:24,880 those need to come through court and we 5054 03:38:24,880 --> 03:38:26,160 are going to work with this process. 5055 03:38:26,160 --> 03:38:27,600 Again, it's new. This is the first time 5056 03:38:27,600 --> 03:38:28,640 we've done it. 5057 03:38:28,640 --> 03:38:30,160 >> I don't think that's the concern. I 5058 03:38:30,160 --> 03:38:32,560 think the concern is okay, say they all 5059 03:38:32,560 --> 03:38:35,040 get to you, you bring them to court. I 5060 03:38:35,040 --> 03:38:37,359 know. I don't want to sit down one day 5061 03:38:37,359 --> 03:38:39,279 preparing for court and have to review a 5062 03:38:39,279 --> 03:38:40,960 hundred job descriptions. That's going 5063 03:38:40,960 --> 03:38:42,880 to be a waste of time because I don't 5064 03:38:42,880 --> 03:38:44,720 know what everyone does. I don't have 5065 03:38:44,720 --> 03:38:46,800 the time to research it. I think it'd be 5066 03:38:46,800 --> 03:38:49,040 better to have batches like we consider 5067 03:38:49,040 --> 03:38:51,359 five every court and whatever. So, we 5068 03:38:51,359 --> 03:38:53,760 can do it in small increments. I think 5069 03:38:53,760 --> 03:38:56,080 that's a more productive way. And then I 5070 03:38:56,080 --> 03:38:58,560 don't think and the other thing is this 5071 03:38:58,560 --> 03:39:00,479 procedure was never approved. Yes, we 5072 03:39:00,479 --> 03:39:03,200 approve approving job descriptions, but 5073 03:39:03,200 --> 03:39:05,600 this fourpage 5074 03:39:05,600 --> 03:39:08,399 whatever it is instructions 5075 03:39:08,399 --> 03:39:10,479 like I attempted to submit Melissa's 5076 03:39:10,479 --> 03:39:12,399 several times and it was rejected. Like 5077 03:39:12,399 --> 03:39:14,880 I sent it via email, rejected. Then I 5078 03:39:14,880 --> 03:39:17,200 submitted in paper form written and 5079 03:39:17,200 --> 03:39:18,720 dated and y'all said that that wasn't 5080 03:39:18,720 --> 03:39:19,760 good enough. I had to come in and 5081 03:39:19,760 --> 03:39:21,520 physically sign something. Those 5082 03:39:21,520 --> 03:39:23,760 procedures were never approved. So 5083 03:39:23,760 --> 03:39:26,479 that's that was my concern. But you want 5084 03:39:26,479 --> 03:39:27,040 to come up? 5085 03:39:27,040 --> 03:39:29,920 >> I'd like to address that. Um you I 5086 03:39:29,920 --> 03:39:32,399 received an email from Melissa with her 5087 03:39:32,399 --> 03:39:34,960 job description asked her to go to her 5088 03:39:34,960 --> 03:39:36,960 department head as the instructions 5089 03:39:36,960 --> 03:39:39,840 again the instructions instructions were 5090 03:39:39,840 --> 03:39:40,800 never approved. 5091 03:39:40,800 --> 03:39:43,200 >> It's a guidance tool for submitting 5092 03:39:43,200 --> 03:39:46,239 these which was reflected in what our 5093 03:39:46,239 --> 03:39:49,040 vote was for the process and the job 5094 03:39:49,040 --> 03:39:51,760 description itself was put in a chair in 5095 03:39:51,760 --> 03:39:55,680 the lobby signed. We want to have a 5096 03:39:55,680 --> 03:39:58,640 chain of custody for these with employee 5097 03:39:58,640 --> 03:40:01,040 signatures on them. And that's why I set 5098 03:40:01,040 --> 03:40:03,040 up this process to detail. 5099 03:40:03,040 --> 03:40:05,359 >> No one delegated the authority to you to 5100 03:40:05,359 --> 03:40:07,439 set up this policy and to mandate that 5101 03:40:07,439 --> 03:40:09,520 every single elected official and 5102 03:40:09,520 --> 03:40:11,680 department headed follow that four-page 5103 03:40:11,680 --> 03:40:13,840 document. That is the concern. There's a 5104 03:40:13,840 --> 03:40:16,160 simple way to do it. Someone signs the 5105 03:40:16,160 --> 03:40:17,920 document that they want to submit to 5106 03:40:17,920 --> 03:40:20,560 you. They hand it over to HR, give it to 5107 03:40:20,560 --> 03:40:22,000 you, and you guys meet as a committee 5108 03:40:22,000 --> 03:40:23,439 and do whatever you want to do. It 5109 03:40:23,439 --> 03:40:25,200 doesn't have to be complicated. It's 5110 03:40:25,200 --> 03:40:27,120 becoming complicated. Wanita, 5111 03:40:27,120 --> 03:40:29,359 >> since you formed uh the compensation 5112 03:40:29,359 --> 03:40:31,040 committee, we've always had a process 5113 03:40:31,040 --> 03:40:33,279 for job descriptions. Always there's 5114 03:40:33,279 --> 03:40:35,040 always been a process, but when you 5115 03:40:35,040 --> 03:40:37,439 formed a committee for compensation, 5116 03:40:37,439 --> 03:40:39,600 then that's how what we did. We would 5117 03:40:39,600 --> 03:40:41,760 receive it as a committee and you 5118 03:40:41,760 --> 03:40:44,239 revised job description and as a 5119 03:40:44,239 --> 03:40:45,840 committee, we would discuss it. And 5120 03:40:45,840 --> 03:40:48,160 because we were working on forming the 5121 03:40:48,160 --> 03:40:50,720 scale, that was also something that the 5122 03:40:50,720 --> 03:40:53,520 committee had to research to make sure 5123 03:40:53,520 --> 03:40:57,040 that we were following and putting um 5124 03:40:57,040 --> 03:41:00,640 researching where these uh individual uh 5125 03:41:00,640 --> 03:41:04,160 positions would be classified under. So 5126 03:41:04,160 --> 03:41:06,399 we followed that procedure the entire 5127 03:41:06,399 --> 03:41:09,520 time that this committee has been. We I 5128 03:41:09,520 --> 03:41:11,680 received a job description because there 5129 03:41:11,680 --> 03:41:14,239 are some changes in the department and I 5130 03:41:14,239 --> 03:41:15,840 would forward that to the committee 5131 03:41:15,840 --> 03:41:18,880 members. Some were able to respond. Some 5132 03:41:18,880 --> 03:41:23,279 were tied up and uh we would make a 5133 03:41:23,279 --> 03:41:25,920 majority decision and kind of help the 5134 03:41:25,920 --> 03:41:28,239 department head work on these job 5135 03:41:28,239 --> 03:41:31,120 descriptions to where it best would fit. 5136 03:41:31,120 --> 03:41:33,200 You cannot have a job description that 5137 03:41:33,200 --> 03:41:36,399 has an extensive amount of essential 5138 03:41:36,399 --> 03:41:39,600 duties. uh it it takes a lot of practice 5139 03:41:39,600 --> 03:41:42,800 and time to go through these and you 5140 03:41:42,800 --> 03:41:46,399 don't learn it just because you attended 5141 03:41:46,399 --> 03:41:48,640 a workshop. And so that's how come we're 5142 03:41:48,640 --> 03:41:50,800 here as a committee helping our 5143 03:41:50,800 --> 03:41:52,640 department heads. Some of them are very 5144 03:41:52,640 --> 03:41:55,120 good at writing some of these. Uh some 5145 03:41:55,120 --> 03:41:57,359 write too much and you have to be 5146 03:41:57,359 --> 03:42:00,080 careful how much you put in is essential 5147 03:42:00,080 --> 03:42:03,439 to meet uh the guidelines as our general 5148 03:42:03,439 --> 03:42:07,120 counsel will also advise us on. So, 5149 03:42:07,120 --> 03:42:10,800 we've always had a system. Um, do they 5150 03:42:10,800 --> 03:42:12,720 fall into the cracks? Fall through the 5151 03:42:12,720 --> 03:42:14,640 cracks? Of course. Department heads are 5152 03:42:14,640 --> 03:42:17,200 the responsible to letting us know when 5153 03:42:17,200 --> 03:42:19,600 there are changes in their staff because 5154 03:42:19,600 --> 03:42:22,399 who better knows the job of their people 5155 03:42:22,399 --> 03:42:25,439 is going to be the department head. So, 5156 03:42:25,439 --> 03:42:27,439 that's that's how we've been working. 5157 03:42:27,439 --> 03:42:30,319 Now, uh I I think it's best that we give 5158 03:42:30,319 --> 03:42:33,760 the department heads at least through um 5159 03:42:33,760 --> 03:42:36,160 maybe part of through October, maybe 5160 03:42:36,160 --> 03:42:39,680 into mid November uh to submit them. And 5161 03:42:39,680 --> 03:42:43,920 if uh the ones that we do have that are 5162 03:42:43,920 --> 03:42:45,920 revised, we can bring them in small 5163 03:42:45,920 --> 03:42:48,399 batches. That gives everybody a little 5164 03:42:48,399 --> 03:42:51,200 bit more time. Uh some of them may have 5165 03:42:51,200 --> 03:42:54,160 just a few certifications they have to 5166 03:42:54,160 --> 03:42:57,920 add. It's not like a full brand new job 5167 03:42:57,920 --> 03:43:02,640 description. Um but and maybe next year 5168 03:43:02,640 --> 03:43:05,840 with the new um judge, he'll decide that 5169 03:43:05,840 --> 03:43:07,680 this is not the committee he wants and 5170 03:43:07,680 --> 03:43:09,840 he wants something else. And but 5171 03:43:09,840 --> 03:43:12,080 currently that's how we have been 5172 03:43:12,080 --> 03:43:13,920 working with the with the department 5173 03:43:13,920 --> 03:43:15,840 heads and the job descriptions. 5174 03:43:15,840 --> 03:43:18,239 >> I I have a question and I I may be 5175 03:43:18,239 --> 03:43:21,040 wrong. This is our fourth time around 5176 03:43:21,040 --> 03:43:22,880 doing budget and everything else. But 5177 03:43:22,880 --> 03:43:24,800 did we ever approve the compensation 5178 03:43:24,800 --> 03:43:26,479 committee's procedures? 5179 03:43:26,479 --> 03:43:29,199 >> That would be up to the judge because I 5180 03:43:29,199 --> 03:43:30,239 believe the judge was 5181 03:43:30,239 --> 03:43:32,560 >> the court approved a procedure for that. 5182 03:43:32,560 --> 03:43:34,560 >> That committee was here before I got 5183 03:43:34,560 --> 03:43:35,680 here. 5184 03:43:35,680 --> 03:43:38,239 >> We don't even have procedures anywhere. 5185 03:43:38,239 --> 03:43:40,080 I mean, I I I agree that we need 5186 03:43:40,080 --> 03:43:41,680 procedures, but 5187 03:43:41,680 --> 03:43:45,279 >> we can't default to another level that's 5188 03:43:45,279 --> 03:43:46,960 not even organized and approved by the 5189 03:43:46,960 --> 03:43:51,439 court either. But I I feel like there's a couple things going on here. 5190 03:43:51,439 --> 03:43:53,600 If it's taking three or four months to 5191 03:43:53,600 --> 03:43:55,760 update job descriptions, that's the 5192 03:43:55,760 --> 03:43:56,880 first thing that we need to pay 5193 03:43:56,880 --> 03:43:58,479 attention to that we need to be better 5194 03:43:58,479 --> 03:44:00,000 with our recordkeeping and make sure 5195 03:44:00,000 --> 03:44:02,399 that our job descriptions are being 5196 03:44:02,399 --> 03:44:05,199 maintained better in every department. 5197 03:44:05,199 --> 03:44:07,040 If there's an elected official that's 5198 03:44:07,040 --> 03:44:09,359 not wanting to participate, 5199 03:44:09,359 --> 03:44:11,920 that's not okay either. And we have 5200 03:44:11,920 --> 03:44:13,359 compensation and liability and 5201 03:44:13,359 --> 03:44:14,479 everything. if we're going to say that 5202 03:44:14,479 --> 03:44:16,160 we're trying to do this to protect our 5203 03:44:16,160 --> 03:44:18,720 county from liability, it goes across 5204 03:44:18,720 --> 03:44:21,199 the board to everybody. 5205 03:44:21,199 --> 03:44:23,199 And so I I don't know if there's just a 5206 03:44:23,199 --> 03:44:26,960 resistance to do this or if if it's just 5207 03:44:26,960 --> 03:44:28,880 so new to everyone that that's what the 5208 03:44:28,880 --> 03:44:30,800 complication is that people are just not 5209 03:44:30,800 --> 03:44:32,560 used to 5210 03:44:32,560 --> 03:44:34,800 being checks and balances and being 5211 03:44:34,800 --> 03:44:38,479 subject to to doing something like this. 5212 03:44:38,479 --> 03:44:40,479 So, I'd like to I'd like to mention what 5213 03:44:40,479 --> 03:44:42,239 the wording was for what the court 5214 03:44:42,239 --> 03:44:45,760 adopted, and it was the countywide job 5215 03:44:45,760 --> 03:44:48,560 description review and maintenance 5216 03:44:48,560 --> 03:44:51,760 process. This is a new process. The 5217 03:44:51,760 --> 03:44:54,080 instructions that I put together, I've 5218 03:44:54,080 --> 03:44:58,640 wanted there to be every possible um 5219 03:44:58,640 --> 03:45:00,319 scenario 5220 03:45:00,319 --> 03:45:02,640 envisioned and address it. And that's 5221 03:45:02,640 --> 03:45:08,239 why it's quite wordy. And then if I if the receptionist who receives those 5222 03:45:08,239 --> 03:45:10,880 is not available, those same um 5223 03:45:10,880 --> 03:45:13,920 instructions are repeated for me to re 5224 03:45:13,920 --> 03:45:18,319 receive those. Um and in that pro in in 5225 03:45:18,319 --> 03:45:19,840 the instructions, it does talk about 5226 03:45:19,840 --> 03:45:22,000 that if it if there are minimal changes 5227 03:45:22,000 --> 03:45:23,680 to the job description. Again, this is 5228 03:45:23,680 --> 03:45:25,120 the first time we're doing it. We are 5229 03:45:25,120 --> 03:45:27,760 trying to get this process together 5230 03:45:27,760 --> 03:45:29,040 because we're trying to get on to 5231 03:45:29,040 --> 03:45:31,600 evaluations and this is the first step. 5232 03:45:31,600 --> 03:45:34,080 Um, so it does not all of these job 5233 03:45:34,080 --> 03:45:35,359 descriptions have to come through 5234 03:45:35,359 --> 03:45:37,199 commissioner's court and we may have to 5235 03:45:37,199 --> 03:45:39,120 adjust, but the timeline that we 5236 03:45:39,120 --> 03:45:42,479 accepted when we accepted this process 5237 03:45:42,479 --> 03:45:45,199 was September 30th. And I have yet to 5238 03:45:45,199 --> 03:45:47,199 talk to one department head who said 5239 03:45:47,199 --> 03:45:50,960 that's not doable. And we have very 5240 03:45:50,960 --> 03:45:53,600 large departments down to very minimal 5241 03:45:53,600 --> 03:45:55,040 departments with maybe two or three 5242 03:45:55,040 --> 03:45:57,600 people. And I have not heard in the in 5243 03:45:57,600 --> 03:45:59,120 the department heads I've spoken with 5244 03:45:59,120 --> 03:46:00,720 and elected officials that this is not 5245 03:46:00,720 --> 03:46:02,880 doable. In fact, they think it's a great 5246 03:46:02,880 --> 03:46:05,120 idea, a great process, and I have this 5247 03:46:05,120 --> 03:46:06,880 is the first time I've really heard 5248 03:46:06,880 --> 03:46:09,199 other than the judge um that there's a 5249 03:46:09,199 --> 03:46:10,319 problem. So, 5250 03:46:10,319 --> 03:46:12,399 >> so if I may weigh in um because I 5251 03:46:12,399 --> 03:46:13,760 haven't had a chance, but I appreciate 5252 03:46:13,760 --> 03:46:15,199 Commissioner McCall taking the bull by 5253 03:46:15,199 --> 03:46:17,040 the horns and working on this. It's it's 5254 03:46:17,040 --> 03:46:18,720 key to make sure that we've got the job, 5255 03:46:18,720 --> 03:46:20,880 the pay, the paperwork, and match. And 5256 03:46:20,880 --> 03:46:22,960 it looks like we the court order was a 5257 03:46:22,960 --> 03:46:25,680 process, and you took great pains to do 5258 03:46:25,680 --> 03:46:28,080 a step-by-step process of how to do it. 5259 03:46:28,080 --> 03:46:30,399 Could we disagree on how to do it? If 5260 03:46:30,399 --> 03:46:32,080 you've got some improvements you would 5261 03:46:32,080 --> 03:46:33,520 like to make and help, commissioner, 5262 03:46:33,520 --> 03:46:34,800 that would be great. She's trying to 5263 03:46:34,800 --> 03:46:36,720 assist your department because you were 5264 03:46:36,720 --> 03:46:38,160 not able to get it done by the end of 5265 03:46:38,160 --> 03:46:40,160 the year. So, I applaud her on trying to 5266 03:46:40,160 --> 03:46:42,319 get this across the finish line. So, if 5267 03:46:42,319 --> 03:46:44,080 we've got suggestions to tweak the 5268 03:46:44,080 --> 03:46:49,120 process, then that should be okay. And I would agree that we can't plausibly 5269 03:46:49,120 --> 03:46:52,239 bring 100 job descriptions in. So, I I 5270 03:46:52,239 --> 03:46:54,399 guess Commissioner, you have a plan on 5271 03:46:54,399 --> 03:46:56,479 how we can do these in batches 5272 03:46:56,479 --> 03:46:57,199 >> so that 5273 03:46:57,199 --> 03:46:58,720 >> Yes. And if somebody needs some more 5274 03:46:58,720 --> 03:47:00,080 time, I would think that you would be 5275 03:47:00,080 --> 03:47:01,840 reasonable and allow them more time if 5276 03:47:01,840 --> 03:47:02,880 they couldn't meet that. 5277 03:47:02,880 --> 03:47:03,840 >> I I have, 5278 03:47:03,840 --> 03:47:05,840 >> especially with road and bridge, we had 5279 03:47:05,840 --> 03:47:07,600 the flood. We I've talked with the 5280 03:47:07,600 --> 03:47:09,359 engineering department. I've I 5281 03:47:09,359 --> 03:47:12,560 understand there are challenges. So 5282 03:47:12,560 --> 03:47:14,640 >> there's theirs are very recent. They 5283 03:47:14,640 --> 03:47:17,439 were just completed in 24. 5284 03:47:17,439 --> 03:47:19,840 >> So again, we want all this is a process 5285 03:47:19,840 --> 03:47:21,840 for every department, not the newest or 5286 03:47:21,840 --> 03:47:24,399 the oldest. It's everybody. And we 5287 03:47:24,399 --> 03:47:27,439 didn't we didn't say whether it was one 5288 03:47:27,439 --> 03:47:29,359 department that just started them or 5289 03:47:29,359 --> 03:47:31,439 not. It's a process. It's new. It's a 5290 03:47:31,439 --> 03:47:32,080 review. 5291 03:47:32,080 --> 03:47:34,800 >> How many have we have you received? 5292 03:47:34,800 --> 03:47:38,640 >> Um I have received one. I'm sorry. I've 5293 03:47:38,640 --> 03:47:40,960 received three so far and they're 5294 03:47:40,960 --> 03:47:42,319 getting them together. They started them 5295 03:47:42,319 --> 03:47:45,279 in July. It's a process. Um again, but I 5296 03:47:45,279 --> 03:47:47,040 have we have appointments this week for 5297 03:47:47,040 --> 03:47:49,520 more. And so 5298 03:47:49,520 --> 03:47:51,279 >> I guess my question is who decides 5299 03:47:51,279 --> 03:47:55,189 whether there's been a change? 5300 03:47:55,199 --> 03:47:56,880 Well, it is up to the department head 5301 03:47:56,880 --> 03:47:59,439 and again as as uh Wanita mentioned, 5302 03:47:59,439 --> 03:48:01,439 they know what's best. They know their 5303 03:48:01,439 --> 03:48:04,000 employees the best. And so for this 5304 03:48:04,000 --> 03:48:06,640 initial year, we are going to start with 5305 03:48:06,640 --> 03:48:09,439 this process. Um and that it will be up 5306 03:48:09,439 --> 03:48:12,239 to the department head and as we review 5307 03:48:12,239 --> 03:48:15,040 them going forward, if there are changes 5308 03:48:15,040 --> 03:48:16,319 that need to be made and they need to 5309 03:48:16,319 --> 03:48:18,080 come back to court, we can do that. 5310 03:48:18,080 --> 03:48:20,960 That's who who makes the decision that 5311 03:48:20,960 --> 03:48:23,920 there has been a change made which if 5312 03:48:23,920 --> 03:48:25,760 there's been a change made in the job 5313 03:48:25,760 --> 03:48:28,000 description then it must come back to 5314 03:48:28,000 --> 03:48:28,720 commissioners for 5315 03:48:28,720 --> 03:48:30,000 >> right and then that's stated in the 5316 03:48:30,000 --> 03:48:31,199 directions. 5317 03:48:31,199 --> 03:48:34,880 >> Okay. But who makes that decision? the 5318 03:48:34,880 --> 03:48:39,680 department head and um I I would think I 5319 03:48:39,680 --> 03:48:41,760 especially so with the ones we're going 5320 03:48:41,760 --> 03:48:44,080 to go through that we are rewriting I 5321 03:48:44,080 --> 03:48:46,720 have already set um requested a meeting 5322 03:48:46,720 --> 03:48:50,239 with Juanita and uh with Jen to make 5323 03:48:50,239 --> 03:48:52,640 sure that they're accurate uh for the 5324 03:48:52,640 --> 03:48:55,040 full department that needs to be redone 5325 03:48:55,040 --> 03:49:02,080 and so it'll be um HR and the department head and myself 5326 03:49:02,080 --> 03:49:04,880 >> with all due respect The decision should 5327 03:49:04,880 --> 03:49:07,600 be with HR as to whether or not there 5328 03:49:07,600 --> 03:49:09,199 has been a change. They have the 5329 03:49:09,199 --> 03:49:12,000 training. They have the knowledge about 5330 03:49:12,000 --> 03:49:14,479 job descriptions. They are the ones that 5331 03:49:14,479 --> 03:49:17,920 should say there is a change here and it 5332 03:49:17,920 --> 03:49:20,720 just wasn't the word and or the. 5333 03:49:20,720 --> 03:49:23,600 >> It was a change that needs to come back 5334 03:49:23,600 --> 03:49:24,640 to court. 5335 03:49:24,640 --> 03:49:26,399 >> Then I would say that she has the 5336 03:49:26,399 --> 03:49:28,560 opportunity to let us know that and we 5337 03:49:28,560 --> 03:49:30,399 can address it at that time. And we 5338 03:49:30,399 --> 03:49:32,479 can't blanketly accept changes or the 5339 03:49:32,479 --> 03:49:34,399 department head because as Wanita stated 5340 03:49:34,399 --> 03:49:36,000 from the experience of compensation 5341 03:49:36,000 --> 03:49:37,600 committee, we end up with job 5342 03:49:37,600 --> 03:49:39,199 descriptions that are 10 pages long 5343 03:49:39,199 --> 03:49:40,640 because that's what the department 5344 03:49:40,640 --> 03:49:43,279 thinks is correct when it's not the 5345 03:49:43,279 --> 03:49:46,080 proper way to do a job description. So 5346 03:49:46,080 --> 03:49:47,680 again, it's the experience on the 5347 03:49:47,680 --> 03:49:49,840 compensation committee. You I know 5348 03:49:49,840 --> 03:49:52,080 you're new to it that we have been 5349 03:49:52,080 --> 03:49:53,520 dealing with job descriptions for the 5350 03:49:53,520 --> 03:49:56,160 past three years and it's not as easy as 5351 03:49:56,160 --> 03:49:58,720 it's being made out to be. 5352 03:49:58,720 --> 03:49:59,120 So, 5353 03:49:59,120 --> 03:50:01,359 >> so I I go back to the fact that this is 5354 03:50:01,359 --> 03:50:03,600 a new process and if there is a job 5355 03:50:03,600 --> 03:50:05,840 description that HR receives that they 5356 03:50:05,840 --> 03:50:09,359 feel has too many changes, then we can 5357 03:50:09,359 --> 03:50:11,520 address it at that time. We will go back 5358 03:50:11,520 --> 03:50:13,600 to the department head and get the 5359 03:50:13,600 --> 03:50:15,120 necessary changes. I just don't think we 5360 03:50:15,120 --> 03:50:16,640 need to wait till the end of the year. 5361 03:50:16,640 --> 03:50:18,479 We've already pass this process through 5362 03:50:18,479 --> 03:50:22,389 commissioner's court. 5363 03:50:22,399 --> 03:50:28,479 So I guess are we assuming that HR is 5364 03:50:28,479 --> 03:50:30,399 going to look at these? 5365 03:50:30,399 --> 03:50:32,319 >> They're receiving them 5366 03:50:32,319 --> 03:50:35,520 >> at the the last step is to get them to 5367 03:50:35,520 --> 03:50:38,399 HR to be put in the employees file. 5368 03:50:38,399 --> 03:50:40,160 >> But does that is your policy state there 5369 03:50:40,160 --> 03:50:41,760 to read and review them and critique 5370 03:50:41,760 --> 03:50:43,199 them? 5371 03:50:43,199 --> 03:50:47,520 >> No, we can add that. 5372 03:50:47,520 --> 03:50:50,479 Again, this is new. There's definitely I 5373 03:50:50,479 --> 03:50:51,600 mean you're pointing out some things 5374 03:50:51,600 --> 03:50:52,640 that need to be 5375 03:50:52,640 --> 03:50:54,319 >> those are important things. 5376 03:50:54,319 --> 03:50:56,239 >> So we will definitely 5377 03:50:56,239 --> 03:50:58,479 >> like to see this come back to court next 5378 03:50:58,479 --> 03:51:00,800 time with some instructions that are not 5379 03:51:00,800 --> 03:51:05,040 AI written that are just simple plain 5380 03:51:05,040 --> 03:51:07,120 language 5381 03:51:07,120 --> 03:51:09,840 on the process. the process needs to 5382 03:51:09,840 --> 03:51:14,319 include the final thing is that the HR 5383 03:51:14,319 --> 03:51:17,040 department is going to review them to 5384 03:51:17,040 --> 03:51:19,520 make sure that they meet the overall 5385 03:51:19,520 --> 03:51:23,199 standards of HR and there have been or 5386 03:51:23,199 --> 03:51:25,520 not been changes made. 5387 03:51:25,520 --> 03:51:28,239 >> Okay, we can add that. Uh and I I do 5388 03:51:28,239 --> 03:51:30,560 want to say that um we have guidelines 5389 03:51:30,560 --> 03:51:33,439 for use of AI which I'm almost everyone 5390 03:51:33,439 --> 03:51:37,359 I've talked to um is using and they were 5391 03:51:37,359 --> 03:51:39,199 followed. I believe our policy is right 5392 03:51:39,199 --> 03:51:41,359 now that AI cannot be used. 5393 03:51:41,359 --> 03:51:42,960 >> We have guidelines right now. I don't 5394 03:51:42,960 --> 03:51:44,080 What policy? 5395 03:51:44,080 --> 03:51:45,920 >> Pretty sure the policy that Brian has 5396 03:51:45,920 --> 03:51:48,960 put out was no AI uses is allowed. 5397 03:51:48,960 --> 03:51:50,960 >> We have guidelines that were listed. 5398 03:51:50,960 --> 03:51:53,199 >> I don't think that's correct. 5399 03:51:53,199 --> 03:51:54,160 >> Can you show it to me? 5400 03:51:54,160 --> 03:51:55,600 >> I can I can look for it and I wish he 5401 03:51:55,600 --> 03:51:56,800 was here today so he could speak to 5402 03:51:56,800 --> 03:51:59,120 that. I just I don't know that's not 5403 03:51:59,120 --> 03:52:00,319 really part of the topic that's on our 5404 03:52:00,319 --> 03:52:01,680 agenda. So we don't want to get off in 5405 03:52:01,680 --> 03:52:03,359 the weeds on a topic that was addressed. 5406 03:52:03,359 --> 03:52:04,080 So, I wanted to 5407 03:52:04,080 --> 03:52:05,279 >> I understand that there was a comment 5408 03:52:05,279 --> 03:52:07,120 made, but I we could talk about that 5409 03:52:07,120 --> 03:52:09,279 offline or have an item next time to 5410 03:52:09,279 --> 03:52:11,120 talk about it in great depth. But for 5411 03:52:11,120 --> 03:52:13,920 now, try to if we can stay on topic. Um, 5412 03:52:13,920 --> 03:52:15,760 if you want to have a meeting between 5413 03:52:15,760 --> 03:52:17,840 now and next time, I think Wanita, I'm 5414 03:52:17,840 --> 03:52:19,120 sure, would be happy to sit down. I'm 5415 03:52:19,120 --> 03:52:20,479 happy to sit down if you think that'd be 5416 03:52:20,479 --> 03:52:22,319 useful. Um, I can provide some 5417 03:52:22,319 --> 03:52:24,239 information on ADA language that I like 5418 03:52:24,239 --> 03:52:26,720 to see included in job descriptions, and 5419 03:52:26,720 --> 03:52:28,319 we can look at the format, make sure 5420 03:52:28,319 --> 03:52:30,080 everybody's using the same format if 5421 03:52:30,080 --> 03:52:32,080 you'd like to do that. Um, anything we 5422 03:52:32,080 --> 03:52:33,680 can do to help, I'm happy to to help 5423 03:52:33,680 --> 03:52:34,960 you. 5424 03:52:34,960 --> 03:52:37,120 >> So, we'll take no action on agenda in 5425 03:52:37,120 --> 03:52:39,760 25. 26 has been pulled. And now to the 5426 03:52:39,760 --> 03:52:41,520 Berdex Center consideration office 5427 03:52:41,520 --> 03:52:42,960 action update Berdick Center committee 5428 03:52:42,960 --> 03:52:46,319 membership to include Judge Kahoon, uh, 5429 03:52:46,319 --> 03:52:49,439 JP Neighbor, uh, elections administrator 5430 03:52:49,439 --> 03:52:52,000 Stacy Decker, and to consider any other 5431 03:52:52,000 --> 03:52:53,359 changes to committee membership to 5432 03:52:53,359 --> 03:52:54,960 provide input and coordination regarding 5433 03:52:54,960 --> 03:52:56,720 planning, design, construction, and 5434 03:52:56,720 --> 03:52:59,199 imple excuse me, implementation of the 5435 03:52:59,199 --> 03:53:00,479 Verdict Center project. Commissioner 5436 03:53:00,479 --> 03:53:01,359 Region, Florida. 5437 03:53:01,359 --> 03:53:03,520 >> Yes, thank you, Judge. And so, um, just 5438 03:53:03,520 --> 03:53:06,000 to kind of update everybody, Judge Kahun 5439 03:53:06,000 --> 03:53:07,359 has kindly come to commissioner's court 5440 03:53:07,359 --> 03:53:09,120 and met with several of us and raised 5441 03:53:09,120 --> 03:53:11,840 concerns about, uh, needed space for the 5442 03:53:11,840 --> 03:53:14,960 district court. And it's our job as U 5443 03:53:14,960 --> 03:53:16,399 commissioners who are responsible for 5444 03:53:16,399 --> 03:53:18,399 the budget to listen to the dele the 5445 03:53:18,399 --> 03:53:19,920 elected officials and department heads 5446 03:53:19,920 --> 03:53:21,680 and make sure that they get what they 5447 03:53:21,680 --> 03:53:23,120 need. At the same time, it's our 5448 03:53:23,120 --> 03:53:25,120 responsibility to set the budget and 5449 03:53:25,120 --> 03:53:27,120 balance those needs with everything else 5450 03:53:27,120 --> 03:53:29,600 the county has to do. So, as I see it, 5451 03:53:29,600 --> 03:53:31,120 we have three needs in front of us. The 5452 03:53:31,120 --> 03:53:32,080 district court needs additional 5453 03:53:32,080 --> 03:53:33,439 courtroom space. We're going to hear a 5454 03:53:33,439 --> 03:53:34,800 little bit from Judge Cahoun. Judge 5455 03:53:34,800 --> 03:53:37,279 Neighbors needs an appropriate, secure 5456 03:53:37,279 --> 03:53:39,920 place for JP precinct 2. And elections 5457 03:53:39,920 --> 03:53:41,520 needs adequate space to conduct 5458 03:53:41,520 --> 03:53:43,359 elections, particularly under the new 5459 03:53:43,359 --> 03:53:45,279 state law, and accommodate future 5460 03:53:45,279 --> 03:53:47,680 growth. So, the Verdict Center perhaps 5461 03:53:47,680 --> 03:53:49,920 can give us all three uh within these 5462 03:53:49,920 --> 03:53:53,040 resources. We um will be doing a needs 5463 03:53:53,040 --> 03:53:54,479 assessment to figure out what we're 5464 03:53:54,479 --> 03:53:56,479 going to do long term for a justice 5465 03:53:56,479 --> 03:53:58,800 center, but until then, we have this 5466 03:53:58,800 --> 03:54:00,960 temporary fix. It's not long term, but 5467 03:54:00,960 --> 03:54:02,800 um we're going to take what we have and 5468 03:54:02,800 --> 03:54:06,720 make do. So, um I think that we just do 5469 03:54:06,720 --> 03:54:08,560 what everybody else does in in the 5470 03:54:08,560 --> 03:54:10,080 community, in the private sector. We 5471 03:54:10,080 --> 03:54:11,840 take what we're given and take those 5472 03:54:11,840 --> 03:54:13,600 dollars and go as far as we can with 5473 03:54:13,600 --> 03:54:16,880 them. So, I've asked Judge Kahun um to 5474 03:54:16,880 --> 03:54:19,279 join the Berdict Renault committee along 5475 03:54:19,279 --> 03:54:22,000 with Stacy and Judge Neighbor and then 5476 03:54:22,000 --> 03:54:24,239 anybody else who uh would like to be on 5477 03:54:24,239 --> 03:54:25,760 the committee. I know that Commissioner 5478 03:54:25,760 --> 03:54:28,239 Chapman, you have asked uh to bow out. 5479 03:54:28,239 --> 03:54:30,399 So, I'm open to another commissioner to 5480 03:54:30,399 --> 03:54:33,680 help me if if that be the um pleasure. 5481 03:54:33,680 --> 03:54:35,120 >> I'll work with you on that. 5482 03:54:35,120 --> 03:54:37,040 >> Okay. Thank you, Commissioner Carpenter. 5483 03:54:37,040 --> 03:54:38,880 And so with that, we just want to expand 5484 03:54:38,880 --> 03:54:40,319 that committee and I can make a motion, 5485 03:54:40,319 --> 03:54:42,319 but I think real quick we'll hear from 5486 03:54:42,319 --> 03:54:44,560 Judge Kahune and Stacy and Judge 5487 03:54:44,560 --> 03:54:47,439 Neighbor sends his regrets. He had um a 5488 03:54:47,439 --> 03:54:49,199 prior engagement and he just sends his 5489 03:54:49,199 --> 03:54:50,720 thanks to the court for trying to 5490 03:54:50,720 --> 03:54:53,680 facilitate the things he needs to do his 5491 03:54:53,680 --> 03:54:58,950 job. 5492 03:54:58,960 --> 03:55:02,720 I wanted to uh just uh to the extent 5493 03:55:02,720 --> 03:55:06,560 that I had Judge Falenberg here and he's 5494 03:55:06,560 --> 03:55:09,279 one of our two associate judges and I 5495 03:55:09,279 --> 03:55:11,199 just wanted to remind the court that we 5496 03:55:11,199 --> 03:55:13,600 have four judges that call Kendall 5497 03:55:13,600 --> 03:55:17,120 County their home county. Um, and I but 5498 03:55:17,120 --> 03:55:20,239 I also wanted to recognize that when we 5499 03:55:20,239 --> 03:55:22,000 came here, when I wrote the letter on 5500 03:55:22,000 --> 03:55:25,680 April 13th and we came here on May 5th, 5501 03:55:25,680 --> 03:55:28,160 that we brought to everyone's attention 5502 03:55:28,160 --> 03:55:30,000 that there not only was the in 5503 03:55:30,000 --> 03:55:32,560 inadequacy of the courtroom space for 5504 03:55:32,560 --> 03:55:36,000 the four judges, but also the inadequacy 5505 03:55:36,000 --> 03:55:38,399 of space for the pettit jurors and the 5506 03:55:38,399 --> 03:55:41,680 grand jurors and the inadequate space 5507 03:55:41,680 --> 03:55:46,640 for the offices of the district attorney 5508 03:55:46,640 --> 03:55:48,800 and the district clerk and the county 5509 03:55:48,800 --> 03:55:51,600 clerk. And I bring that up because that 5510 03:55:51,600 --> 03:55:54,319 was that was a global. Now, we have 5511 03:55:54,319 --> 03:55:56,319 certain obligations 5512 03:55:56,319 --> 03:55:58,720 underneath the code underneath the local 5513 03:55:58,720 --> 03:56:02,399 government code of 291 and 292 to 5514 03:56:02,399 --> 03:56:05,120 provide a courthouse and space that is 5515 03:56:05,120 --> 03:56:08,160 necessary. But we also have requirements 5516 03:56:08,160 --> 03:56:12,000 in the family code under 2011 to provide 5517 03:56:12,000 --> 03:56:15,279 an adequate courtroom and quarters for 5518 03:56:15,279 --> 03:56:18,160 our associate judges. Doc Judge 5519 03:56:18,160 --> 03:56:20,239 Falenberg was going to come in and talk 5520 03:56:20,239 --> 03:56:23,120 about the lack of any quarters, frankly, 5521 03:56:23,120 --> 03:56:25,520 for our associate judges. They don't 5522 03:56:25,520 --> 03:56:28,720 have a place to go. And when we have to, 5523 03:56:28,720 --> 03:56:31,199 they have to try and find spaces over 5524 03:56:31,199 --> 03:56:33,920 across the street. and he has to walk 5525 03:56:33,920 --> 03:56:36,080 across the street to go and have that 5526 03:56:36,080 --> 03:56:39,040 without any baiff or any security. I 5527 03:56:39,040 --> 03:56:41,920 need you to understand that what a CPS 5528 03:56:41,920 --> 03:56:45,199 court does is it deals with family and 5529 03:56:45,199 --> 03:56:47,439 their children and it takes children 5530 03:56:47,439 --> 03:56:50,239 away from some families. And if you want 5531 03:56:50,239 --> 03:56:52,640 to talk about angry litigants, talk 5532 03:56:52,640 --> 03:56:55,439 about your CPS courts and not having any 5533 03:56:55,439 --> 03:56:58,399 adequate security. So, one of the things 5534 03:56:58,399 --> 03:57:02,080 that Commissioner Wean was talking about 5535 03:57:02,080 --> 03:57:06,560 was the ability to expand that verdict 5536 03:57:06,560 --> 03:57:10,319 center courtroom as a band-aid, 5537 03:57:10,319 --> 03:57:12,720 but I need it to be stressed here that 5538 03:57:12,720 --> 03:57:16,000 it's not a permanent fix because we 5539 03:57:16,000 --> 03:57:18,239 still won't have space for the pettit 5540 03:57:18,239 --> 03:57:20,640 juror selection. We still won't have 5541 03:57:20,640 --> 03:57:23,520 space for the grand jury selection. We 5542 03:57:23,520 --> 03:57:25,359 still won't have extra space for the 5543 03:57:25,359 --> 03:57:27,600 district attorney's office. We still 5544 03:57:27,600 --> 03:57:30,080 won't have the space for the uh district 5545 03:57:30,080 --> 03:57:32,800 clerk and for the county clerk's office. 5546 03:57:32,800 --> 03:57:35,680 It is a band-aid for the four judges to 5547 03:57:35,680 --> 03:57:39,120 be able to have somewhere to hold jury 5548 03:57:39,120 --> 03:57:41,840 trials and to hold trials. Because as it 5549 03:57:41,840 --> 03:57:45,359 stands, what we have to do now is if a 5550 03:57:45,359 --> 03:57:47,680 visiting judge is hearing a case, which 5551 03:57:47,680 --> 03:57:49,920 a visiting judge is hearing a case 5552 03:57:49,920 --> 03:57:52,479 against the county because we recuse 5553 03:57:52,479 --> 03:57:54,560 oursel from that, 5554 03:57:54,560 --> 03:57:57,359 we have to step down. We don't have a 5555 03:57:57,359 --> 03:58:00,560 space for them. So we one of the two of 5556 03:58:00,560 --> 03:58:05,040 us has to not have court that day. 5557 03:58:05,040 --> 03:58:07,680 Additionally, what happens is if we want 5558 03:58:07,680 --> 03:58:10,160 to have two district court jury trials, 5559 03:58:10,160 --> 03:58:12,560 we don't have space for two district 5560 03:58:12,560 --> 03:58:15,359 court jury trials. We can't fit them in 5561 03:58:15,359 --> 03:58:17,520 the two courtrooms and the two jury 5562 03:58:17,520 --> 03:58:20,960 rooms that we have. So does this enable 5563 03:58:20,960 --> 03:58:23,840 some space utilization for civil and 5564 03:58:23,840 --> 03:58:26,319 family jury trials in those associate 5565 03:58:26,319 --> 03:58:30,720 judges? Yes. but it still won't be a 5566 03:58:30,720 --> 03:58:33,199 complete fix because it doesn't take 5567 03:58:33,199 --> 03:58:35,439 into account everything else that is 5568 03:58:35,439 --> 03:58:37,600 needed in the justice center. So, I'm 5569 03:58:37,600 --> 03:58:41,520 here saying thank you to Commissioner 5570 03:58:41,520 --> 03:58:45,439 Oian for noticing the problem that our 5571 03:58:45,439 --> 03:58:48,640 justice partners have 5572 03:58:48,640 --> 03:58:51,439 and for coming here and helping figure 5573 03:58:51,439 --> 03:58:54,800 out some solution that we can at least 5574 03:58:54,800 --> 03:58:57,840 get to where we need to be. But I do 5575 03:58:57,840 --> 03:59:00,160 want to note that I'm still going to be 5576 03:59:00,160 --> 03:59:03,199 coming and we still need to be talking 5577 03:59:03,199 --> 03:59:06,160 about how are we going to get sufficient 5578 03:59:06,160 --> 03:59:07,760 space for the district attorney's 5579 03:59:07,760 --> 03:59:11,600 office. I know that we uh talked about 5580 03:59:11,600 --> 03:59:13,920 having a new person coming into the 5581 03:59:13,920 --> 03:59:15,680 district attorney's office with the DOJ. 5582 03:59:15,680 --> 03:59:16,800 I have no idea where we're going to fit 5583 03:59:16,800 --> 03:59:18,960 that, but that's not that problem. 5584 03:59:18,960 --> 03:59:20,399 >> It's not housed here. 5585 03:59:20,399 --> 03:59:22,080 >> Oh, that's good because we wouldn't have 5586 03:59:22,080 --> 03:59:24,960 room. But um all of these things we need 5587 03:59:24,960 --> 03:59:27,920 to talk about. Now, I know that Miss 5588 03:59:27,920 --> 03:59:30,560 Becker needs a lot of space, too. 5589 03:59:30,560 --> 03:59:32,399 >> Judge, just just one one point real 5590 03:59:32,399 --> 03:59:35,040 quick. Uh Sharon, our purchasing agent, 5591 03:59:35,040 --> 03:59:36,479 and you can correct me if I'm wrong, but 5592 03:59:36,479 --> 03:59:40,160 I think that we have gotten the RFQ 5593 03:59:40,160 --> 03:59:42,800 applicants in and you've formed a 5594 03:59:42,800 --> 03:59:44,720 committee and you should be able to 5595 03:59:44,720 --> 03:59:46,239 >> It should be coming to the next court to 5596 03:59:46,239 --> 03:59:47,680 move forward. 5597 03:59:47,680 --> 03:59:48,880 >> Coming to the next court to move 5598 03:59:48,880 --> 03:59:50,800 forward. Okay. So, Judge Kahun, that is 5599 03:59:50,800 --> 03:59:51,439 in the works. 5600 03:59:51,439 --> 03:59:53,680 >> Good. I'm I'm I'm happy about that and I 5601 03:59:53,680 --> 03:59:56,560 do I'm very appreciative. Um I do want 5602 03:59:56,560 --> 03:59:59,439 to read one statement from Judge 5603 03:59:59,439 --> 04:00:01,600 Falenberg. He had court this afternoon 5604 04:00:01,600 --> 04:00:03,120 and when it didn't come this morning, he 5605 04:00:03,120 --> 04:00:06,720 wrote up his his um words to me. He 5606 04:00:06,720 --> 04:00:09,920 wanted you to know that he has 280 5607 04:00:09,920 --> 04:00:11,840 children on his case load, his current 5608 04:00:11,840 --> 04:00:14,960 case load right now. And out of the 5609 04:00:14,960 --> 04:00:18,960 seven counties that he works, this is 5610 04:00:18,960 --> 04:00:21,760 the one county that doesn't have a 5611 04:00:21,760 --> 04:00:24,080 dedicated space for him to be able to 5612 04:00:24,080 --> 04:00:27,680 have court in. And he does want the 5613 04:00:27,680 --> 04:00:30,000 commissioners to know, and I quote, "The 5614 04:00:30,000 --> 04:00:32,000 Berdick building presents a temporary 5615 04:00:32,000 --> 04:00:34,560 solution to this problem. Were it to be 5616 04:00:34,560 --> 04:00:36,560 built out for a secured courtroom and 5617 04:00:36,560 --> 04:00:39,279 provided with a regular base baoof, the 5618 04:00:39,279 --> 04:00:41,840 child protection court of South Texas as 5619 04:00:41,840 --> 04:00:43,840 well as other potential visiting judges 5620 04:00:43,840 --> 04:00:46,239 would have a protected space to conduct 5621 04:00:46,239 --> 04:00:49,199 these important proceedings. This is not 5622 04:00:49,199 --> 04:00:51,040 a permanent solution, but it is a 5623 04:00:51,040 --> 04:00:53,520 temporary solution to a long-standing 5624 04:00:53,520 --> 04:00:55,439 problem until something permanent can be 5625 04:00:55,439 --> 04:00:57,760 achieved, and it will allow Kendall 5626 04:00:57,760 --> 04:00:59,680 County to be in compliance with the law 5627 04:00:59,680 --> 04:01:01,760 pursuant to the Texas Family Code 5628 04:01:01,760 --> 04:01:05,040 201.103. 103. 5629 04:01:05,040 --> 04:01:07,439 Thank you, Judge. Stacy, you're back. 5630 04:01:07,439 --> 04:01:10,800 >> Yes, back. Um, so I won't bore y'all 5631 04:01:10,800 --> 04:01:14,000 with 2753. I've I've fed it into y'all 5632 04:01:14,000 --> 04:01:17,439 for quite some time now. Um, we are 5633 04:01:17,439 --> 04:01:20,000 working, our association um of elections 5634 04:01:20,000 --> 04:01:22,399 administrators office, well, our 5635 04:01:22,399 --> 04:01:25,120 association is working with uh Senator 5636 04:01:25,120 --> 04:01:27,920 Val Paul's office on some changes to 5637 04:01:27,920 --> 04:01:31,040 2753. He's even openly admitted that 5638 04:01:31,040 --> 04:01:32,640 there were a lot of unintended 5639 04:01:32,640 --> 04:01:36,080 consequences to the great idea he had. 5640 04:01:36,080 --> 04:01:38,080 Um, we don't know what those changes are 5641 04:01:38,080 --> 04:01:39,439 going to look like. There are going to 5642 04:01:39,439 --> 04:01:42,479 be some changes. It could be reduced 5643 04:01:42,479 --> 04:01:44,479 early voting by one whole week, which is 5644 04:01:44,479 --> 04:01:46,479 not something I'm in support of. I don't 5645 04:01:46,479 --> 04:01:48,000 know where our association lands on 5646 04:01:48,000 --> 04:01:50,399 that, but there are we are looking at 5647 04:01:50,399 --> 04:01:52,479 changes to come to that bill. That's not 5648 04:01:52,479 --> 04:01:54,319 going to happen this year. It's not. 5649 04:01:54,319 --> 04:01:56,000 It's going to be next year, maybe even 5650 04:01:56,000 --> 04:01:58,000 towards the end of the next year when 5651 04:01:58,000 --> 04:01:59,520 that's implemented. And if they make 5652 04:01:59,520 --> 04:02:01,520 these changes again, we're going to be 5653 04:02:01,520 --> 04:02:03,199 back right where we are with the 5654 04:02:03,199 --> 04:02:04,880 Secretary of State's office being 5655 04:02:04,880 --> 04:02:07,279 mandated to develop an implementation 5656 04:02:07,279 --> 04:02:09,760 plan for those changes. And we're 5657 04:02:09,760 --> 04:02:12,720 already a year into that implementation 5658 04:02:12,720 --> 04:02:14,720 process and it's looking like it's not 5659 04:02:14,720 --> 04:02:15,760 going to be till the end of this year 5660 04:02:15,760 --> 04:02:17,279 when the state actually comes out with 5661 04:02:17,279 --> 04:02:20,479 it. Um, so right now we don't know when 5662 04:02:20,479 --> 04:02:22,399 that's going to take effect. We know 5663 04:02:22,399 --> 04:02:24,160 right now if everything stays on track, 5664 04:02:24,160 --> 04:02:26,239 that's going to be the November 2027 5665 04:02:26,239 --> 04:02:28,880 election. Um, again, those changes are 5666 04:02:28,880 --> 04:02:30,720 up in the air. Y'all know what our needs 5667 04:02:30,720 --> 04:02:33,279 are. Every one of y'all have been to our 5668 04:02:33,279 --> 04:02:35,840 building. You've served as a candidate 5669 04:02:35,840 --> 04:02:37,920 or someone running for reelection. 5670 04:02:37,920 --> 04:02:40,319 You've seen our space and what we've had 5671 04:02:40,319 --> 04:02:42,640 to do to make it work. Um, we have 5672 04:02:42,640 --> 04:02:44,720 bandaided the band-aids and the 5673 04:02:44,720 --> 04:02:47,439 band-aids. We have squished every ounce 5674 04:02:47,439 --> 04:02:50,399 of energy or every ounce of space out of 5675 04:02:50,399 --> 04:02:52,319 what we have right now and we cannot 5676 04:02:52,319 --> 04:02:54,880 continue to function with overlapping 5677 04:02:54,880 --> 04:02:56,640 processes. That's one part of this bill 5678 04:02:56,640 --> 04:02:58,640 that's not going to go away. Our ballot 5679 04:02:58,640 --> 04:03:00,399 board runs at the same time as early 5680 04:03:00,399 --> 04:03:02,640 voting. Our ballot board runs at the 5681 04:03:02,640 --> 04:03:05,439 same time as election day and central 5682 04:03:05,439 --> 04:03:07,920 count. We have to have separated 5683 04:03:07,920 --> 04:03:10,720 segregated areas for those. Right now, 5684 04:03:10,720 --> 04:03:12,560 we've shifted things around from one 5685 04:03:12,560 --> 04:03:15,120 storage room and pile a ton of people in 5686 04:03:15,120 --> 04:03:16,560 the room where we store all of our 5687 04:03:16,560 --> 04:03:19,040 voting equipment in. We make the spaces 5688 04:03:19,040 --> 04:03:20,239 work. 5689 04:03:20,239 --> 04:03:24,080 >> Um, we've taken over the break room in 5690 04:03:24,080 --> 04:03:26,479 the annex building, completely locked it 5691 04:03:26,479 --> 04:03:29,120 down because we have ballots in there 5692 04:03:29,120 --> 04:03:32,800 >> by our kitchen sink, by our um cabinets 5693 04:03:32,800 --> 04:03:34,239 and everything. We've we've done 5694 04:03:34,239 --> 04:03:36,399 everything we possibly can to make our 5695 04:03:36,399 --> 04:03:38,960 space work. and whatever changes are 5696 04:03:38,960 --> 04:03:41,840 coming down the line. Even if they scale 5697 04:03:41,840 --> 04:03:43,439 this back, which we just don't know 5698 04:03:43,439 --> 04:03:45,520 what's going to happen with that, the 5699 04:03:45,520 --> 04:03:47,920 problem still remains. We don't have the 5700 04:03:47,920 --> 04:03:49,760 space that we need to continue to run 5701 04:03:49,760 --> 04:03:51,520 elections in the way that our voters 5702 04:03:51,520 --> 04:03:54,880 deserve. We need that space. I'm excited 5703 04:03:54,880 --> 04:03:57,439 and I appreciate uh the court allowing 5704 04:03:57,439 --> 04:04:00,640 us to serve on this committee to even be 5705 04:04:00,640 --> 04:04:03,520 able to be part of the committee um to 5706 04:04:03,520 --> 04:04:05,840 work with the judge Kahun's office and 5707 04:04:05,840 --> 04:04:09,600 the JP2 office to see what what we can 5708 04:04:09,600 --> 04:04:11,520 do. How can we make this space work? Is 5709 04:04:11,520 --> 04:04:12,960 there a way to make that space work? 5710 04:04:12,960 --> 04:04:15,520 What is everybody's needs? We've added a 5711 04:04:15,520 --> 04:04:18,479 third department in there and I think a 5712 04:04:18,479 --> 04:04:21,040 lot of evaluation has to, you know, be 5713 04:04:21,040 --> 04:04:22,640 done. I don't know what that looks like 5714 04:04:22,640 --> 04:04:25,120 for us moving forward, but I'm willing 5715 04:04:25,120 --> 04:04:28,800 to accept a seat at the table officially 5716 04:04:28,800 --> 04:04:30,800 and work with everybody to find 5717 04:04:30,800 --> 04:04:32,560 something that that hopefully could work 5718 04:04:32,560 --> 04:04:34,399 for all of us. Well, thank you very much 5719 04:04:34,399 --> 04:04:36,319 for uh reminding us again of your needs 5720 04:04:36,319 --> 04:04:38,800 and that is the next step and um for us 5721 04:04:38,800 --> 04:04:40,319 to sit down with the architect. He was 5722 04:04:40,319 --> 04:04:41,680 here, as you know, last Thursday to look 5723 04:04:41,680 --> 04:04:43,760 at the courtroom and just see how we can 5724 04:04:43,760 --> 04:04:45,840 configure this and take this building 5725 04:04:45,840 --> 04:04:49,279 that's a great county asset and uh use 5726 04:04:49,279 --> 04:04:50,800 the least amount of dollars and the 5727 04:04:50,800 --> 04:04:52,800 maximum amount of space, you know, to 5728 04:04:52,800 --> 04:04:54,800 get to get needs met. So, it sounds like 5729 04:04:54,800 --> 04:04:56,560 we have a committee. And with that, I 5730 04:04:56,560 --> 04:04:58,399 move to update the Berdick Center 5731 04:04:58,399 --> 04:04:59,920 committee membership to include District 5732 04:04:59,920 --> 04:05:01,920 Judge Kirsten Cahoun, Justice of the 5733 04:05:01,920 --> 04:05:04,800 Peace, Precinct 2, Judge Neighbor, and 5734 04:05:04,800 --> 04:05:06,880 Elections Administrator Stacy Decker, as 5735 04:05:06,880 --> 04:05:09,279 well as Commissioner Chad Carpenter to 5736 04:05:09,279 --> 04:05:11,120 provide input and coordination regarding 5737 04:05:11,120 --> 04:05:13,520 the planning, design, construction, and 5738 04:05:13,520 --> 04:05:15,600 implementation of the Ber Berdick Center 5739 04:05:15,600 --> 04:05:16,000 project. 5740 04:05:16,000 --> 04:05:17,520 >> Commissioner, would you still like staff 5741 04:05:17,520 --> 04:05:19,439 to remain on the committee? I think you 5742 04:05:19,439 --> 04:05:21,680 had Jason. Um, was there first? 5743 04:05:21,680 --> 04:05:23,279 >> These would just be the additions. So 5744 04:05:23,279 --> 04:05:25,040 the existing committee still stands and 5745 04:05:25,040 --> 04:05:26,399 these are the additions. Okay. Thank 5746 04:05:26,399 --> 04:05:27,600 you. 5747 04:05:27,600 --> 04:05:29,279 >> Right. Motion made by and or 5748 04:05:29,279 --> 04:05:31,040 commissioner Oian. Do I have a second? 5749 04:05:31,040 --> 04:05:31,520 >> Second. 5750 04:05:31,520 --> 04:05:33,040 >> Seconded by Commissioner McCall. Any 5751 04:05:33,040 --> 04:05:33,840 further discussion? 5752 04:05:33,840 --> 04:05:36,640 >> Yes. I just wanted to say um that I I 5753 04:05:36,640 --> 04:05:39,359 appreciate uh Commissioner um Ouijan 5754 04:05:39,359 --> 04:05:41,359 bringing this forward. I think it's a 5755 04:05:41,359 --> 04:05:44,160 forwardinking approach to um meeting the 5756 04:05:44,160 --> 04:05:46,880 county's growing needs. And um I would 5757 04:05:46,880 --> 04:05:48,800 also like to add that I think we need to 5758 04:05:48,800 --> 04:05:51,279 exhaust every resource we have here in 5759 04:05:51,279 --> 04:05:56,080 the building. And I was wanted to ask and add that the commissioner's 5760 04:05:56,080 --> 04:05:57,920 court coordinator work with the dig 5761 04:05:57,920 --> 04:06:00,160 district judges and vid visiting judges 5762 04:06:00,160 --> 04:06:02,080 coordinators in using the commissioner's 5763 04:06:02,080 --> 04:06:04,160 courtroom because we need to exhaust all 5764 04:06:04,160 --> 04:06:08,160 the spaces we have here. So um just 5765 04:06:08,160 --> 04:06:09,199 wanted to add that 5766 04:06:09,199 --> 04:06:11,120 >> I think she already does 5767 04:06:11,120 --> 04:06:11,840 >> you do okay 5768 04:06:11,840 --> 04:06:14,239 >> we utilize this when we need to. We 5769 04:06:14,239 --> 04:06:17,439 utilize across the street in uh judge 5770 04:06:17,439 --> 04:06:20,720 man taverns when we need to. It is it's 5771 04:06:20,720 --> 04:06:22,800 a roving area, 5772 04:06:22,800 --> 04:06:23,199 >> okay, 5773 04:06:23,199 --> 04:06:25,120 >> of of use. It's 5774 04:06:25,120 --> 04:06:28,080 >> it's a challenge. I mean, we're we're 5775 04:06:28,080 --> 04:06:30,080 all bursting at the seams, right? 5776 04:06:30,080 --> 04:06:32,160 >> And I'm no different than the probably 5777 04:06:32,160 --> 04:06:34,399 the sheriff's office and and anybody 5778 04:06:34,399 --> 04:06:38,880 else. I understand that. Um, and I tried 5779 04:06:38,880 --> 04:06:41,680 to talk about that, but we do utilize 5780 04:06:41,680 --> 04:06:42,720 scan across the street. 5781 04:06:42,720 --> 04:06:44,239 >> Good. I just wanted to make sure we were 5782 04:06:44,239 --> 04:06:46,080 using every space we had here in this 5783 04:06:46,080 --> 04:06:48,800 building before sending uh Judge 5784 04:06:48,800 --> 04:06:51,040 Faulenberg across the street or having 5785 04:06:51,040 --> 04:06:53,040 to change buildings. 5786 04:06:53,040 --> 04:06:54,319 >> Okay. 5787 04:06:54,319 --> 04:06:56,640 >> All right. Any further discussion? Not 5788 04:06:56,640 --> 04:06:57,920 Teresa, you're up. 5789 04:06:57,920 --> 04:06:59,120 >> Commissioner McCall, 5790 04:06:59,120 --> 04:06:59,600 >> I. 5791 04:06:59,600 --> 04:07:00,560 >> Commissioner Legion, 5792 04:07:00,560 --> 04:07:01,199 >> I. 5793 04:07:01,199 --> 04:07:02,239 >> Commissioner Chapman, 5794 04:07:02,239 --> 04:07:02,640 >> I. 5795 04:07:02,640 --> 04:07:03,680 >> Commissioner Carpenter, 5796 04:07:03,680 --> 04:07:05,359 >> I 5797 04:07:05,359 --> 04:07:08,000 motion carries 5 to Z. There are no 5798 04:07:08,000 --> 04:07:10,640 public hearing scheduled. So consent. 5799 04:07:10,640 --> 04:07:11,520 >> Thank you, ladies. 5800 04:07:11,520 --> 04:07:15,199 >> Thank you. There is items A through O on 5801 04:07:15,199 --> 04:07:17,120 the consent agenda. Does anyone want to 5802 04:07:17,120 --> 04:07:18,640 remove anyone for separate discussion 5803 04:07:18,640 --> 04:07:20,399 and voting? 5804 04:07:20,399 --> 04:07:21,920 If not, I'll entertain a motion as 5805 04:07:21,920 --> 04:07:23,840 consent agenda items. 5806 04:07:23,840 --> 04:07:26,000 >> Judge, I'd like to make a motion to 5807 04:07:26,000 --> 04:07:28,319 approve the consent agenda items for 5808 04:07:28,319 --> 04:07:31,680 August 25th, 2026, 5809 04:07:31,680 --> 04:07:33,520 items A through O. 5810 04:07:33,520 --> 04:07:35,120 >> Motion made by Commissioner Chapman, 5811 04:07:35,120 --> 04:07:38,000 second by Commissioner Carpenter. Uh, 5812 04:07:38,000 --> 04:07:40,160 any further discussion? If not, Teresa, 5813 04:07:40,160 --> 04:07:41,439 please call the vote. Commissioner 5814 04:07:41,439 --> 04:07:42,080 McCall. 5815 04:07:42,080 --> 04:07:42,560 >> Hi, 5816 04:07:42,560 --> 04:07:43,439 >> Commissioner Weer. 5817 04:07:43,439 --> 04:07:44,000 >> Hi, 5818 04:07:44,000 --> 04:07:45,040 >> Commissioner Chapman. 5819 04:07:45,040 --> 04:07:45,600 >> Hi, 5820 04:07:45,600 --> 04:07:46,640 >> Commissioner Carpenter. 5821 04:07:46,640 --> 04:07:47,040 >> Hi, 5822 04:07:47,040 --> 04:07:48,000 >> Judge. 5823 04:07:48,000 --> 04:07:51,840 >> I motion carries five to zero. 5824 04:07:51,840 --> 04:07:55,760 >> Next up, contracts. Uh 29. consideration 5825 04:07:55,760 --> 04:07:56,960 of possible action regarding an 5826 04:07:56,960 --> 04:07:58,800 agreement with Visit Comfort Texas to 5827 04:07:58,800 --> 04:08:00,319 provide marketing services for the 5828 04:08:00,319 --> 04:08:01,760 purpose of building comfort's digital 5829 04:08:01,760 --> 04:08:04,080 brand developing wayfinding and visitor 5830 04:08:04,080 --> 04:08:05,520 infrastructure providing marketing 5831 04:08:05,520 --> 04:08:06,880 education and promotion for local 5832 04:08:06,880 --> 04:08:08,960 businesses and entrepreneurs measure 5833 04:08:08,960 --> 04:08:10,479 through tourism and visitor data that 5834 04:08:10,479 --> 04:08:12,000 will provide to the county at a cost not 5835 04:08:12,000 --> 04:08:15,279 to exceed 5,000 carpenter Europe judge I 5836 04:08:15,279 --> 04:08:16,720 move that we approve the agreement with 5837 04:08:16,720 --> 04:08:18,880 visit comfort to provide marketing 5838 04:08:18,880 --> 04:08:20,319 services for the purpose of building 5839 04:08:20,319 --> 04:08:21,920 comfort's digital brand developing 5840 04:08:21,920 --> 04:08:24,160 wayfinding and visitor infrastructure 5841 04:08:24,160 --> 04:08:25,760 providing marketing, education, and 5842 04:08:25,760 --> 04:08:28,239 promotions for local businesses and 5843 04:08:28,239 --> 04:08:30,080 entrepreneurs measured through tourism 5844 04:08:30,080 --> 04:08:32,560 and visitor data that will be be 5845 04:08:32,560 --> 04:08:34,960 provided to the county at no cost not to 5846 04:08:34,960 --> 04:08:36,319 exceed $5,000. 5847 04:08:36,319 --> 04:08:37,760 >> Motion made by Commissioner Carpenter. 5848 04:08:37,760 --> 04:08:38,479 Is there a second? 5849 04:08:38,479 --> 04:08:38,880 >> Second. 5850 04:08:38,880 --> 04:08:40,319 by Commissioner Chapman. Any 5851 04:08:40,319 --> 04:08:41,359 further discussion? 5852 04:08:41,359 --> 04:08:44,560 >> Yes, Judge. This is in reference to the 5853 04:08:44,560 --> 04:08:47,520 5,000 that we approved earlier in the 5854 04:08:47,520 --> 04:08:51,359 year and this is just a formal contract. 5855 04:08:51,359 --> 04:08:53,359 Yes, the court previously discussed this 5856 04:08:53,359 --> 04:08:56,319 and at that meeting asked that visit 5857 04:08:56,319 --> 04:08:58,160 comfort get with me so we could have a 5858 04:08:58,160 --> 04:08:59,600 contract in place to explain that the 5859 04:08:59,600 --> 04:09:01,120 county is getting data in exchange for 5860 04:09:01,120 --> 04:09:03,120 these funds. This contract does 5861 04:09:03,120 --> 04:09:05,520 accomplish that and we recommend 5862 04:09:05,520 --> 04:09:06,399 approval. 5863 04:09:06,399 --> 04:09:06,800 >> Thank you. 5864 04:09:06,800 --> 04:09:09,359 >> Okay, if there's no further discussion, 5865 04:09:09,359 --> 04:09:10,720 Resa, please call the vote. 5866 04:09:10,720 --> 04:09:11,920 >> Commissioner McCall 5867 04:09:11,920 --> 04:09:12,399 >> I. 5868 04:09:12,399 --> 04:09:13,920 >> Commissioner We 5869 04:09:13,920 --> 04:09:15,040 >> Commissioner Chapman 5870 04:09:15,040 --> 04:09:15,520 >> I. 5871 04:09:15,520 --> 04:09:16,399 >> Commissioner Carpenter. 5872 04:09:16,399 --> 04:09:16,720 >> Hi. 5873 04:09:16,720 --> 04:09:17,680 >> Ditch. 5874 04:09:17,680 --> 04:09:20,479 >> I. Motion carries 5 to zero. Uh 5875 04:09:20,479 --> 04:09:22,160 consideration possible action regarding 5876 04:09:22,160 --> 04:09:23,439 the second amendment to the license 5877 04:09:23,439 --> 04:09:24,560 agreement for the use of the county 5878 04:09:24,560 --> 04:09:25,920 courthouse between Kendall County and 5879 04:09:25,920 --> 04:09:28,000 Bernie market days management to allow 5880 04:09:28,000 --> 04:09:29,600 the event to be held on county property 5881 04:09:29,600 --> 04:09:32,399 from 6 p.m. on October 2nd, 2026 through 5882 04:09:32,399 --> 04:09:35,760 9:00 p.m. on October 4th, 2026. This is 5883 04:09:35,760 --> 04:09:38,239 our annual agreement with them with uh 5884 04:09:38,239 --> 04:09:41,680 Bernie Market Days. So, I move to 5885 04:09:41,680 --> 04:09:43,120 approve the second amendment to the 5886 04:09:43,120 --> 04:09:44,319 license agreement for the use of the 5887 04:09:44,319 --> 04:09:45,760 county courthouse between Kendall County 5888 04:09:45,760 --> 04:09:47,760 and Bernie Market Days Management to 5889 04:09:47,760 --> 04:09:49,279 allow the event to be held on county 5890 04:09:49,279 --> 04:09:51,680 property from 6 p.m. on October 2nd, 5891 04:09:51,680 --> 04:09:54,560 2026 to 9:00 p.m. on October 4, 2026. Do 5892 04:09:54,560 --> 04:09:56,880 I have a second? Second by or motion by 5893 04:09:56,880 --> 04:09:58,000 the judge, second by Commissioner 5894 04:09:58,000 --> 04:10:00,000 Chapman. Any further discussion? There 5895 04:10:00,000 --> 04:10:01,439 being none, Teresa, please call the 5896 04:10:01,439 --> 04:10:02,080 vote. 5897 04:10:02,080 --> 04:10:03,279 >> Commissioner McCall, 5898 04:10:03,279 --> 04:10:03,760 >> I. 5899 04:10:03,760 --> 04:10:04,880 >> Commissioner Wehan, 5900 04:10:04,880 --> 04:10:05,279 >> I. 5901 04:10:05,279 --> 04:10:06,399 >> Commissioner Chapman, 5902 04:10:06,399 --> 04:10:06,800 >> I. 5903 04:10:06,800 --> 04:10:07,920 >> Commissioner Carpenter, 5904 04:10:07,920 --> 04:10:09,279 >> I. Judge Salis. 5905 04:10:09,279 --> 04:10:12,080 >> I motion carries 5 to zero. Next uh 5906 04:10:12,080 --> 04:10:13,439 consideration possible action regarding 5907 04:10:13,439 --> 04:10:15,279 the FY26 first amendment to the 5908 04:10:15,279 --> 04:10:16,479 agreement between Kendall County and 5909 04:10:16,479 --> 04:10:18,479 Animal Springs Volunteer Fire Department 5910 04:10:18,479 --> 04:10:20,880 from October 1, 2025 through September 5911 04:10:20,880 --> 04:10:23,279 30th, 2026 with an annual allocation the 5912 04:10:23,279 --> 04:10:25,760 amount of $37,42 5913 04:10:25,760 --> 04:10:28,960 and an annual sip of $4,000. Chad, I 5914 04:10:28,960 --> 04:10:31,520 will entertain your motion. 5915 04:10:31,520 --> 04:10:34,720 Judge, I move that we approve 5916 04:10:34,720 --> 04:10:37,680 um the FY26 first amendment to the 5917 04:10:37,680 --> 04:10:39,359 agreement between Kindle County and Almo 5918 04:10:39,359 --> 04:10:41,359 Springs Volunteer Fire Department from 5919 04:10:41,359 --> 04:10:43,680 October 1st, 2025 through September 5920 04:10:43,680 --> 04:10:46,960 30th, 2026 with an al with an annual 5921 04:10:46,960 --> 04:10:50,239 allocation in the amount of $37,42 5922 04:10:50,239 --> 04:10:53,040 and an annual stipend of $4,000. 5923 04:10:53,040 --> 04:10:54,479 >> Motion made by Commissioner Carpenter. 5924 04:10:54,479 --> 04:10:55,439 Do I have a second? 5925 04:10:55,439 --> 04:10:56,960 >> Seconded by Commissioner Chapman. Any 5926 04:10:56,960 --> 04:10:58,880 further discussion? There being none, 5927 04:10:58,880 --> 04:11:00,399 Teresa, please call the vote. 5928 04:11:00,399 --> 04:11:01,600 Commissioner McCall 5929 04:11:01,600 --> 04:11:02,080 >> I, 5930 04:11:02,080 --> 04:11:03,040 >> Commissioner Region, 5931 04:11:03,040 --> 04:11:03,600 >> I, 5932 04:11:03,600 --> 04:11:04,800 >> Commissioner Chapman, 5933 04:11:04,800 --> 04:11:05,199 >> I, 5934 04:11:05,199 --> 04:11:06,319 >> Commissioner Carpenter, 5935 04:11:06,319 --> 04:11:06,640 >> I, 5936 04:11:06,640 --> 04:11:07,520 >> Judge Thoris, 5937 04:11:07,520 --> 04:11:09,920 >> I, Motion carries 5 to zero. Next up, 5938 04:11:09,920 --> 04:11:11,520 consideration possible action regarding 5939 04:11:11,520 --> 04:11:13,520 FY26 Kendo County Emergency Medical 5940 04:11:13,520 --> 04:11:15,120 Service and First Responder organization 5941 04:11:15,120 --> 04:11:17,359 affiliation agreement for the fire 5942 04:11:17,359 --> 04:11:19,279 protection emergency response services 5943 04:11:19,279 --> 04:11:21,040 between Kendall County and Almo Springs 5944 04:11:21,040 --> 04:11:22,720 Volunteer Fire Department. Commissioner 5945 04:11:22,720 --> 04:11:25,040 Carpenter. Judge, I move that we approve 5946 04:11:25,040 --> 04:11:27,359 FY26 Kindle County Emergency Medical 5947 04:11:27,359 --> 04:11:28,800 Services and First Responder 5948 04:11:28,800 --> 04:11:30,640 Organization Affiliation Agreement for 5949 04:11:30,640 --> 04:11:33,439 Fire Protection and Emergency Response 5950 04:11:33,439 --> 04:11:35,439 Services between Kendall County and Elmo 5951 04:11:35,439 --> 04:11:36,960 Springs Volunteer Fire Department. 5952 04:11:36,960 --> 04:11:38,319 >> Motion made by Commissioner Carpenter. 5953 04:11:38,319 --> 04:11:39,760 Do I have a second? Second by 5954 04:11:39,760 --> 04:11:40,960 Commissioner Chapman. Any further 5955 04:11:40,960 --> 04:11:41,840 discussion? 5956 04:11:41,840 --> 04:11:43,760 >> There being none, Teresa, you're up. 5957 04:11:43,760 --> 04:11:44,800 >> Commissioner McConnell, 5958 04:11:44,800 --> 04:11:45,279 >> I. 5959 04:11:45,279 --> 04:11:46,239 >> Commissioner Wean, 5960 04:11:46,239 --> 04:11:46,720 >> I. 5961 04:11:46,720 --> 04:11:47,680 >> Commissioner Chapman, 5962 04:11:47,680 --> 04:11:48,160 >> I. 5963 04:11:48,160 --> 04:11:49,279 >> Commissioner Carpenter, 5964 04:11:49,279 --> 04:11:49,520 >> I. 5965 04:11:49,520 --> 04:11:50,479 >> Judge Delarzek, 5966 04:11:50,479 --> 04:11:53,040 >> I. Motion carries five to zero. Next up, 5967 04:11:53,040 --> 04:11:54,479 consideration of possible action around 5968 04:11:54,479 --> 04:11:56,479 the FY26 HIPPA business associate 5969 04:11:56,479 --> 04:11:57,680 agreement between Kendall County and 5970 04:11:57,680 --> 04:11:59,439 Elmo Springs Volunteer Fire. 5971 04:11:59,439 --> 04:12:00,319 Commissioner Carpenter. 5972 04:12:00,319 --> 04:12:02,479 >> Judge, I move that we approve the FY26 5973 04:12:02,479 --> 04:12:04,399 HIPPA business associate agreement 5974 04:12:04,399 --> 04:12:06,239 between Kendall County and Elmo Springs 5975 04:12:06,239 --> 04:12:07,279 Volunteer Fire Department. 5976 04:12:07,279 --> 04:12:08,800 >> Motion made by Commissioner Carpenter, 5977 04:12:08,800 --> 04:12:10,640 seconded by Commissioner Chapman. Any 5978 04:12:10,640 --> 04:12:12,479 further discussion? There being none, 5979 04:12:12,479 --> 04:12:13,359 Teresa. 5980 04:12:13,359 --> 04:12:14,560 >> Commissioner McCall 5981 04:12:14,560 --> 04:12:15,120 >> I. 5982 04:12:15,120 --> 04:12:16,160 >> Commissioner Wink. 5983 04:12:16,160 --> 04:12:16,560 >> I. 5984 04:12:16,560 --> 04:12:17,600 >> Commissioner Chapman. 5985 04:12:17,600 --> 04:12:18,080 >> I. 5986 04:12:18,080 --> 04:12:20,319 >> Commissioner Carpenter. 5987 04:12:20,319 --> 04:12:22,960 >> Hi. Motion cars 5 to zero. Next up, 5988 04:12:22,960 --> 04:12:24,800 considering poss consideration possible 5989 04:12:24,800 --> 04:12:26,399 action regarding the request for the 5990 04:12:26,399 --> 04:12:28,479 Comfort Athletic Booster Club to use 5991 04:12:28,479 --> 04:12:30,640 Saltine Field to Comfort to host an 5992 04:12:30,640 --> 04:12:32,479 event which will entail building a 5993 04:12:32,479 --> 04:12:34,000 bonfire and lighting it on fire on 5994 04:12:34,000 --> 04:12:36,640 September 9th, 2026. Commissioner 5995 04:12:36,640 --> 04:12:37,359 Carpenter. 5996 04:12:37,359 --> 04:12:40,720 >> Yes. Um I just a few words on this real 5997 04:12:40,720 --> 04:12:43,920 quick. Um we realize we have a burn van. 5998 04:12:43,920 --> 04:12:47,680 We're also um the bonfires is staffed by 5999 04:12:47,680 --> 04:12:49,760 the fire department and it's in an area 6000 04:12:49,760 --> 04:12:52,560 where it's well protected and so I 6001 04:12:52,560 --> 04:12:53,920 talked to Brady about this last night, 6002 04:12:53,920 --> 04:12:56,319 but it will be manned the whole time 6003 04:12:56,319 --> 04:12:57,760 until it's done. 6004 04:12:57,760 --> 04:12:59,520 >> Thank you for clarifying that, 6005 04:12:59,520 --> 04:13:02,640 >> Judge. I move that we approve uh the 6006 04:13:02,640 --> 04:13:04,159 request from the Comfort Athletic 6007 04:13:04,159 --> 04:13:05,920 Booster Club to use Faline Field and 6008 04:13:05,920 --> 04:13:07,920 Comfort to host an event which will 6009 04:13:07,920 --> 04:13:09,840 entail the building of a bonfire and 6010 04:13:09,840 --> 04:13:13,120 lighting it on fire September 9th, 2026. 6011 04:13:13,120 --> 04:13:14,560 Motion made by Commissioner Carpenter. 6012 04:13:14,560 --> 04:13:15,279 Is there a second? 6013 04:13:15,279 --> 04:13:15,680 >> Second. 6014 04:13:15,680 --> 04:13:17,279 by Commissioner Chapman. Any 6015 04:13:17,279 --> 04:13:18,880 further discussion? There being none, 6016 04:13:18,880 --> 04:13:19,920 Teresa, you're up. 6017 04:13:19,920 --> 04:13:21,120 >> Commissioner McColl, 6018 04:13:21,120 --> 04:13:21,680 >> I. 6019 04:13:21,680 --> 04:13:22,640 >> Commissioner Wean, 6020 04:13:22,640 --> 04:13:23,120 >> I. 6021 04:13:23,120 --> 04:13:24,239 >> Commissioner, 6022 04:13:24,239 --> 04:13:24,640 >> I. 6023 04:13:24,640 --> 04:13:25,680 >> Commissioner Carpenter, 6024 04:13:25,680 --> 04:13:25,920 >> I. 6025 04:13:25,920 --> 04:13:26,800 >> Judge Dela, 6026 04:13:26,800 --> 04:13:29,840 >> I. Motion carries 5 to zero. Uh, 6027 04:13:29,840 --> 04:13:31,279 consideration possible action regarding 6028 04:13:31,279 --> 04:13:32,720 request for road closures for the 6029 04:13:32,720 --> 04:13:34,239 Comfort Annual Homecoming Parade to be 6030 04:13:34,239 --> 04:13:36,800 held on September 9th, 2026 at the 6031 04:13:36,800 --> 04:13:38,319 following locations. Fifth Street to 6032 04:13:38,319 --> 04:13:40,800 Main Street, uh, Fifth Street and High 6033 04:13:40,800 --> 04:13:42,640 Street, High Street and Fifth Street to 6034 04:13:42,640 --> 04:13:44,800 H Street, and 8th Street to Main Street. 6035 04:13:44,800 --> 04:13:45,840 Commissioner Carpenter. 6036 04:13:45,840 --> 04:13:47,520 >> Judge, I move that we approve the Road 6037 04:13:47,520 --> 04:13:49,359 Closers for Comfort annual Homecoming 6038 04:13:49,359 --> 04:13:52,880 Parade to be held on September 9th, 2026 6039 04:13:52,880 --> 04:13:54,640 at the following locations: Fifth Street 6040 04:13:54,640 --> 04:13:56,239 and Main Street, Fifth Street and High 6041 04:13:56,239 --> 04:13:58,000 Street, High Street, from Fifth Street 6042 04:13:58,000 --> 04:13:59,680 to 8th Street, and from 8th Street to 6043 04:13:59,680 --> 04:14:02,399 Main Street. Uh, this would start I 6044 04:14:02,399 --> 04:14:04,239 think this would start at um, Do we need 6045 04:14:04,239 --> 04:14:06,000 a time on there? 6046 04:14:06,000 --> 04:14:08,319 It'd probably be nice if we do that. 6047 04:14:08,319 --> 04:14:10,560 >> Okay. 6048 04:14:10,560 --> 04:14:12,239 >> I don't think that a time was submitted, 6049 04:14:12,239 --> 04:14:14,319 but I'm sure that we can get that 6050 04:14:14,319 --> 04:14:15,600 information and make sure there's a 6051 04:14:15,600 --> 04:14:16,880 public announcement of when that will 6052 04:14:16,880 --> 04:14:20,790 happen. 6053 04:14:20,800 --> 04:14:22,319 » That's my fault. Um, 6054 04:14:22,319 --> 04:14:23,680 >> do you think it's the same as the 6055 04:14:23,680 --> 04:14:25,600 bonfire or the It's 6056 04:14:25,600 --> 04:14:28,159 >> It's right before the bonfire. So, it it 6057 04:14:28,159 --> 04:14:33,030 would be around six o'clock. 6058 04:14:33,040 --> 04:14:34,640 Um, 6059 04:14:34,640 --> 04:14:36,880 >> maybe start at 5:30. 6060 04:14:36,880 --> 04:14:38,800 >> In the early evening hours. Yeah. Let's 6061 04:14:38,800 --> 04:14:40,319 just keep it vagger. Okay. 6062 04:14:40,319 --> 04:14:42,159 >> So, in the early evening hours on those 6063 04:14:42,159 --> 04:14:42,479 dates. 6064 04:14:42,479 --> 04:14:44,479 >> In the early evening hours. Okay. 6065 04:14:44,479 --> 04:14:46,560 >> I'm cool with that. That work? 6066 04:14:46,560 --> 04:14:47,600 >> Okay. 6067 04:14:47,600 --> 04:14:49,040 >> We amend your motion to include in the 6068 04:14:49,040 --> 04:14:49,760 early evening hours. 6069 04:14:49,760 --> 04:14:52,880 >> Yeah. Amend my motion to include um the 6070 04:14:52,880 --> 04:14:55,120 evening early evening hours on September 6071 04:14:55,120 --> 04:14:56,399 9th, 2026. 6072 04:14:56,399 --> 04:14:57,600 >> That motion second by Commissioner 6073 04:14:57,600 --> 04:15:00,880 Chapman. Any further discussion? Please, call the vote. 6074 04:15:00,880 --> 04:15:01,920 >> Commissioner McCall. 6075 04:15:01,920 --> 04:15:03,359 >> I. Commissioner Legion. 6076 04:15:03,359 --> 04:15:03,920 >> Hi. 6077 04:15:03,920 --> 04:15:05,120 >> Commissioner Chap. 6078 04:15:05,120 --> 04:15:05,600 >> I. 6079 04:15:05,600 --> 04:15:06,720 >> Commissioner Carpenter. 6080 04:15:06,720 --> 04:15:07,040 >> I. 6081 04:15:07,040 --> 04:15:07,920 >> Judge Delic. 6082 04:15:07,920 --> 04:15:09,920 >> I. Motion carries. I 6083 04:15:09,920 --> 04:15:11,600 >> Next up, consideration possible action 6084 04:15:11,600 --> 04:15:13,760 regarding the proposal for 2026 services 6085 04:15:13,760 --> 04:15:16,560 renewal with NUMO Group LLC for the 6086 04:15:16,560 --> 04:15:18,000 agreement for Vanguard Records 6087 04:15:18,000 --> 04:15:19,760 Management and Imaging System Software 6088 04:15:19,760 --> 04:15:21,920 Hardware Solution for the County Clerk's 6089 04:15:21,920 --> 04:15:24,560 Office for Fiscal year 2025 2026 in the 6090 04:15:24,560 --> 04:15:29,110 amount of 68,617.50. 6091 04:15:29,120 --> 04:15:31,120 Which contract will auto automatically 6092 04:15:31,120 --> 04:15:34,399 renew on October 1, 2026 6093 04:15:34,399 --> 04:15:36,080 for an additional one-year term and 6094 04:15:36,080 --> 04:15:37,439 authorize the county judge to execute 6095 04:15:37,439 --> 04:15:39,520 the documents? Sharon, I'll let you. 6096 04:15:39,520 --> 04:15:41,840 >> Okay. So, this cont this item is um to 6097 04:15:41,840 --> 04:15:43,760 ask the court's approval for a contract 6098 04:15:43,760 --> 04:15:46,000 with Neimu, the vendors called Neimu Tax 6099 04:15:46,000 --> 04:15:48,720 and Licensing LLC for the county clerk's 6100 04:15:48,720 --> 04:15:50,800 cloud filing management services and 6101 04:15:50,800 --> 04:15:53,040 property alert system. Um this service 6102 04:15:53,040 --> 04:15:54,560 has originally been the service that's 6103 04:15:54,560 --> 04:15:56,080 been provided through co-file but 6104 04:15:56,080 --> 04:15:58,399 through a conversion within cofile they 6105 04:15:58,399 --> 04:16:00,560 sold it to NEMU. So we have to this is 6106 04:16:00,560 --> 04:16:03,120 to this contract would be to formalize 6107 04:16:03,120 --> 04:16:05,840 the agreement with neu versus um with 6108 04:16:05,840 --> 04:16:08,640 govos or cofile was before. Um the 6109 04:16:08,640 --> 04:16:10,239 county has continued to utilize this 6110 04:16:10,239 --> 04:16:14,159 service and it's still in place and she uses it. So, the contract will just 6111 04:16:14,159 --> 04:16:16,640 be for we need to do the contract for 6112 04:16:16,640 --> 04:16:17,920 this fiscal year we're in and it'll 6113 04:16:17,920 --> 04:16:20,560 include a one-year extension if agreed 6114 04:16:20,560 --> 04:16:22,319 to by both parties and if the funds are 6115 04:16:22,319 --> 04:16:24,960 in the budget for for next year. And um 6116 04:16:24,960 --> 04:16:27,359 we'd like to ask that y'all um approve 6117 04:16:27,359 --> 04:16:29,439 it contingent upon general counsel's 6118 04:16:29,439 --> 04:16:31,279 final review and approval just because 6119 04:16:31,279 --> 04:16:32,640 there's a little bit of kinks we're 6120 04:16:32,640 --> 04:16:34,239 still working out with them with the 6121 04:16:34,239 --> 04:16:36,560 secretary of state registration and and 6122 04:16:36,560 --> 04:16:38,800 such. So, 6123 04:16:38,800 --> 04:16:41,359 >> uh, I move to, 6124 04:16:41,359 --> 04:16:43,279 uh, 6125 04:16:43,279 --> 04:16:46,080 approve the proposal for 2026 services 6126 04:16:46,080 --> 04:16:48,159 renewal from the Nemo Group LLC for the 6127 04:16:48,159 --> 04:16:49,840 agreement for Vanguard Records 6128 04:16:49,840 --> 04:16:51,520 Management and Imaging System Software 6129 04:16:51,520 --> 04:16:53,279 Hardware Solution for the County Clerk's 6130 04:16:53,279 --> 04:16:56,399 Office for Fiscal year 2025 to 2026 in 6131 04:16:56,399 --> 04:16:58,880 the amount of $68,617.50, 6132 04:16:58,880 --> 04:17:00,720 50 cents. Which contract will 6133 04:17:00,720 --> 04:17:03,120 automatically renew on October 1, 2066 6134 04:17:03,120 --> 04:17:04,960 for an initial one-year term and 6135 04:17:04,960 --> 04:17:06,399 authorize the county judge to execute 6136 04:17:06,399 --> 04:17:08,080 necessary documents contingent on 6137 04:17:08,080 --> 04:17:09,840 general counsel's approval? Do I have a 6138 04:17:09,840 --> 04:17:10,159 second? 6139 04:17:10,159 --> 04:17:10,560 >> Second. 6140 04:17:10,560 --> 04:17:12,239 >> Seconded by Commissioner Wean. Any 6141 04:17:12,239 --> 04:17:13,279 further discussion? 6142 04:17:13,279 --> 04:17:15,279 >> I did notice that in the URL because I 6143 04:17:15,279 --> 04:17:17,120 go to that website a lot and great 6144 04:17:17,120 --> 04:17:19,199 research and had the little end, you 6145 04:17:19,199 --> 04:17:20,560 know, kind of like in the logo. So, I 6146 04:17:20,560 --> 04:17:23,439 wondered what that was. 6147 04:17:23,439 --> 04:17:24,399 >> Their new branding. 6148 04:17:24,399 --> 04:17:25,520 >> Yeah. 6149 04:17:25,520 --> 04:17:28,399 >> Okay. If there's no further discussion, 6150 04:17:28,399 --> 04:17:29,040 you're up. 6151 04:17:29,040 --> 04:17:30,239 >> Commissioner McConnell 6152 04:17:30,239 --> 04:17:30,800 >> I, 6153 04:17:30,800 --> 04:17:31,760 >> Commissioner Wson, 6154 04:17:31,760 --> 04:17:32,239 >> I. 6155 04:17:32,239 --> 04:17:33,600 >> Commissioner Chapman, 6156 04:17:33,600 --> 04:17:34,080 >> I. 6157 04:17:34,080 --> 04:17:35,120 >> Commissioner Carpenter, 6158 04:17:35,120 --> 04:17:36,399 >> I judge. 6159 04:17:36,399 --> 04:17:38,640 >> I motion carries 5 to zero. 6160 04:17:38,640 --> 04:17:39,600 >> Thank you. 6161 04:17:39,600 --> 04:17:40,800 ladies. Next up, 6162 04:17:40,800 --> 04:17:42,319 consideration possible action regarding 6163 04:17:42,319 --> 04:17:44,319 an amendment to the Hill Country Energy 6164 04:17:44,319 --> 04:17:45,680 Subregional Planning Commission 6165 04:17:45,680 --> 04:17:47,279 interlocal agreement to renew the 6166 04:17:47,279 --> 04:17:49,199 agreement for FY 2027. Commissioner 6167 04:17:49,199 --> 04:17:51,279 Nicole and Commissioner. 6168 04:17:51,279 --> 04:17:55,359 >> Yes. Um, on April 28th, 2025, 6169 04:17:55,359 --> 04:17:56,720 Kendall County Commissioner's Court 6170 04:17:56,720 --> 04:17:59,760 approved I'm sorry, on April 28th, 2026, 6171 04:17:59,760 --> 04:18:01,520 Commender County Commissioners Court 6172 04:18:01,520 --> 04:18:03,439 approved an amendment to the Hill 6173 04:18:03,439 --> 04:18:05,040 Country Energy Subregional Planning 6174 04:18:05,040 --> 04:18:07,199 Commission's interlocal agreement to 6175 04:18:07,199 --> 04:18:09,920 address oversightes in the November 2025 6176 04:18:09,920 --> 04:18:12,080 agreement. Specifically, the amendment 6177 04:18:12,080 --> 04:18:13,840 revised the board membership structure 6178 04:18:13,840 --> 04:18:16,000 to reflect the addition of Gillespie 6179 04:18:16,000 --> 04:18:18,239 County and clarify Gillespie County's 6180 04:18:18,239 --> 04:18:20,159 responsibility for appointing a 6181 04:18:20,159 --> 04:18:22,399 landowner representative to the board 6182 04:18:22,399 --> 04:18:24,479 within the established rotation of odd 6183 04:18:24,479 --> 04:18:26,800 and even years. The amendment before the 6184 04:18:26,800 --> 04:18:29,040 court today updates the term of the 6185 04:18:29,040 --> 04:18:30,720 interlocal agreement from its current 6186 04:18:30,720 --> 04:18:34,319 expiration date of September 30th, 2026 6187 04:18:34,319 --> 04:18:37,120 to a new term beginning October 1st, 6188 04:18:37,120 --> 04:18:40,960 2026 and ending September 30th of 2027. 6189 04:18:40,960 --> 04:18:43,120 Both Gillespie and Kerr counties have 6190 04:18:43,120 --> 04:18:44,399 adopted this amendment with the 6191 04:18:44,399 --> 04:18:46,720 unanimous support of the respective 6192 04:18:46,720 --> 04:18:48,159 commissioner's courts. 6193 04:18:48,159 --> 04:18:49,600 >> Okay. At this time, I'll entertain your 6194 04:18:49,600 --> 04:18:51,840 motion. So I move to approve an 6195 04:18:51,840 --> 04:18:53,359 amendment to the Hill Country Energy 6196 04:18:53,359 --> 04:18:56,640 Subregional Planning Commission HCESRPC 6197 04:18:56,640 --> 04:18:59,680 interlocal agreement to renew the 6198 04:18:59,680 --> 04:19:02,159 agreement through FY2027. 6199 04:19:02,159 --> 04:19:03,840 >> Motion made by Commissioner McCall. Do I 6200 04:19:03,840 --> 04:19:04,640 have a second? 6201 04:19:04,640 --> 04:19:04,960 >> Second. 6202 04:19:04,960 --> 04:19:06,479 >> Seconded by Commissioner Carpenter. Any 6203 04:19:06,479 --> 04:19:08,399 further discussion? There being none, 6204 04:19:08,399 --> 04:19:09,680 Teresa, please call. 6205 04:19:09,680 --> 04:19:10,800 >> Commissioner McCall, 6206 04:19:10,800 --> 04:19:11,359 >> I. 6207 04:19:11,359 --> 04:19:12,239 >> Commissioner Ouija, 6208 04:19:12,239 --> 04:19:12,720 >> I. 6209 04:19:12,720 --> 04:19:13,760 >> Commissioner Chapman, 6210 04:19:13,760 --> 04:19:14,319 >> nay. 6211 04:19:14,319 --> 04:19:15,359 >> Commissioner Carpenter, 6212 04:19:15,359 --> 04:19:15,680 >> I. 6213 04:19:15,680 --> 04:19:16,640 >> Judge Sarzic, 6214 04:19:16,640 --> 04:19:18,560 >> nay. Motion carries three to two with 6215 04:19:18,560 --> 04:19:20,159 commissioners from one, two, and four in 6216 04:19:20,159 --> 04:19:21,439 favor and the judge and Chapman 6217 04:19:21,439 --> 04:19:24,000 Commissioner Chapman against. Next, uh 6218 04:19:24,000 --> 04:19:25,600 consideration and possible action on 6219 04:19:25,600 --> 04:19:27,279 approving the final PL establishing the 6220 04:19:27,279 --> 04:19:29,840 Kerski Ranch located on the southeast 6221 04:19:29,840 --> 04:19:33,279 side of Ammon Road about.17 miles east 6222 04:19:33,279 --> 04:19:36,640 of Savannah John Boulevard in accordance 6223 04:19:36,640 --> 04:19:38,479 with the 2022 development regulations 6224 04:19:38,479 --> 04:19:40,399 create 11 lots with an average lot size 6225 04:19:40,399 --> 04:19:45,120 of 10.051 051 acres per lot and 5,748 6226 04:19:45,120 --> 04:19:46,800 linear feet of private roadway and each 6227 04:19:46,800 --> 04:19:48,239 lot will be served by individual well 6228 04:19:48,239 --> 04:19:49,680 and individual on-site sewage 6229 04:19:49,680 --> 04:19:52,000 facilities. 6230 04:19:52,000 --> 04:19:53,359 >> Hello. All right, Nick, what do you got 6231 04:19:53,359 --> 04:19:54,000 for us? 6232 04:19:54,000 --> 04:19:56,800 >> Uh, yes. So, this is a for a single 6233 04:19:56,800 --> 04:19:59,680 family resident uh resident uh plat 6234 04:19:59,680 --> 04:20:02,000 that's going to create 11 lots with an 6235 04:20:02,000 --> 04:20:05,199 average average acreage of over 10. Um, 6236 04:20:05,199 --> 04:20:07,279 it's also going to lay out or and extend 6237 04:20:07,279 --> 04:20:12,000 an existing road, Kerski ranch and and 6238 04:20:12,000 --> 04:20:13,840 uh improve it to fire code standards. 6239 04:20:13,840 --> 04:20:16,399 These will be serviced by individual 6240 04:20:16,399 --> 04:20:20,399 septic uh and well and there was a 6241 04:20:20,399 --> 04:20:21,600 request for relief that was approved 6242 04:20:21,600 --> 04:20:25,040 back in April 2024 to to allow this road 6243 04:20:25,040 --> 04:20:26,479 to be built to fire code standards and 6244 04:20:26,479 --> 04:20:29,359 also for the waving of the gar. And uh 6245 04:20:29,359 --> 04:20:32,720 we've we uh we've done a thorough review 6246 04:20:32,720 --> 04:20:35,840 of this uh plat and uh we're being for 6247 04:20:35,840 --> 04:20:38,159 approval. At this time motion, 6248 04:20:38,159 --> 04:20:38,960 commissioner region. 6249 04:20:38,960 --> 04:20:41,040 >> Judge, I move to approve the final plat 6250 04:20:41,040 --> 04:20:42,960 establishing the Kerska Ranch located on 6251 04:20:42,960 --> 04:20:45,760 the south side of Ammon Road about 0.17 6252 04:20:45,760 --> 04:20:48,319 miles east of Savannah John Boulevard in 6253 04:20:48,319 --> 04:20:50,479 accordance with the 2022 development 6254 04:20:50,479 --> 04:20:52,479 regulations to create 11 lots with an 6255 04:20:52,479 --> 04:20:55,120 average lot size of 10.051 051 acres per 6256 04:20:55,120 --> 04:20:58,560 lot and 5,748 linear feet of private 6257 04:20:58,560 --> 04:21:00,399 roadway and each lot will be served by 6258 04:21:00,399 --> 04:21:02,479 individual well and individual on-site 6259 04:21:02,479 --> 04:21:03,600 sewage facilities. 6260 04:21:03,600 --> 04:21:05,040 >> Motion made by Commissioner Legion. Do I 6261 04:21:05,040 --> 04:21:05,600 have a second? 6262 04:21:05,600 --> 04:21:06,000 >> Second. 6263 04:21:06,000 --> 04:21:07,359 >> Seconded by Commissioner McCall. Any 6264 04:21:07,359 --> 04:21:09,439 further discussion? There being none, 6265 04:21:09,439 --> 04:21:10,800 Teresa, please call the vote. 6266 04:21:10,800 --> 04:21:11,840 >> Commissioner McCau 6267 04:21:11,840 --> 04:21:12,399 >> I. 6268 04:21:12,399 --> 04:21:13,439 >> Commissioner Legion. 6269 04:21:13,439 --> 04:21:13,920 >> I. 6270 04:21:13,920 --> 04:21:14,960 >> Commissioner Chapley. 6271 04:21:14,960 --> 04:21:15,439 >> I. 6272 04:21:15,439 --> 04:21:16,560 >> Commissioner Carpenter. 6273 04:21:16,560 --> 04:21:16,880 >> I. 6274 04:21:16,880 --> 04:21:17,840 >> Judge. 6275 04:21:17,840 --> 04:21:21,840 >> I. Motion carries five to zero. Next up, 6276 04:21:21,840 --> 04:21:22,720 >> three years 6277 04:21:22,720 --> 04:21:24,640 >> consider 6278 04:21:24,640 --> 04:21:26,239 you have one more, ma'am. 6279 04:21:26,239 --> 04:21:27,760 Consideration and possible action 6280 04:21:27,760 --> 04:21:29,199 improving the financial guarantee for 6281 04:21:29,199 --> 04:21:30,800 the final plat establishing the Persie 6282 04:21:30,800 --> 04:21:33,040 Ranch located on the south side of Ammon 6283 04:21:33,040 --> 04:21:36,000 Road about.17 miles east of Savannah 6284 04:21:36,000 --> 04:21:37,920 John Boulevard in the form of a 6285 04:21:37,920 --> 04:21:39,279 cashier's check in the amount of 6286 04:21:39,279 --> 04:21:45,349 216,8702 6287 04:21:45,359 --> 04:21:51,840 to secure the construction of a required private road. Mr. Region. 6288 04:21:51,840 --> 04:21:53,439 >> All right, judge. I move to approve the 6289 04:21:53,439 --> 04:21:55,199 financial guarantee for the final plat 6290 04:21:55,199 --> 04:21:57,199 establishing the Kerska Ranch located on 6291 04:21:57,199 --> 04:22:00,720 the south side of Ammon Road about 0.17 6292 04:22:00,720 --> 04:22:03,040 miles east of Savannah John Boulevard in 6293 04:22:03,040 --> 04:22:04,640 the form of a cashier's check in the 6294 04:22:04,640 --> 04:22:09,030 amount of $216,87022 6295 04:22:09,040 --> 04:22:11,359 to secure the construction of a required 6296 04:22:11,359 --> 04:22:13,120 private fire road. 6297 04:22:13,120 --> 04:22:15,600 >> Uh motion made by Commissioner Region. 6298 04:22:15,600 --> 04:22:16,640 Do I have a second? Second. 6299 04:22:16,640 --> 04:22:18,000 >> Second by Commissioner McCll. Any 6300 04:22:18,000 --> 04:22:20,000 further discussion? If not, Teresa, 6301 04:22:20,000 --> 04:22:21,279 please call the vote. Commissioner 6302 04:22:21,279 --> 04:22:21,840 McCau. 6303 04:22:21,840 --> 04:22:22,399 >> Hi, 6304 04:22:22,399 --> 04:22:23,359 >> Commissioner Le. 6305 04:22:23,359 --> 04:22:24,080 >> Hi, 6306 04:22:24,080 --> 04:22:25,120 >> Commissioner Chapman. 6307 04:22:25,120 --> 04:22:25,760 >> Hi, 6308 04:22:25,760 --> 04:22:26,960 >> Commissioner Carpenter. 6309 04:22:26,960 --> 04:22:28,640 >> I 6310 04:22:28,640 --> 04:22:31,600 motion carries. 6311 04:22:31,600 --> 04:22:33,760 >> Thanks for your patience all day. 6312 04:22:33,760 --> 04:22:35,040 >> We start construction. 6313 04:22:35,040 --> 04:22:36,800 >> Uh, next up, 6314 04:22:36,800 --> 04:22:38,560 >> consideration. You're welcome. 6315 04:22:38,560 --> 04:22:40,159 Consideration possible action approving 6316 04:22:40,159 --> 04:22:41,840 the replat of town of Comfort creating 6317 04:22:41,840 --> 04:22:43,840 lots 21B1 6318 04:22:43,840 --> 04:22:47,279 21B2 located in 119 idle wide comfort 6319 04:22:47,279 --> 04:22:50,720 about 23 miles east of US highway 87 in 6320 04:22:50,720 --> 04:22:52,479 accordance with the 2022 development 6321 04:22:52,479 --> 04:22:54,159 ress 6322 04:22:54,159 --> 04:22:57,040 to create two lots out of 1.486 acres 6323 04:22:57,040 --> 04:22:59,680 with an average lot size of 743 acres 6324 04:22:59,680 --> 04:23:01,680 per lot 6325 04:23:01,680 --> 04:23:04,000 and both lots shall be served by water 6326 04:23:04,000 --> 04:23:06,159 and sewer from WCID number one. Public 6327 04:23:06,159 --> 04:23:08,399 hearing was held April 14th, 2026, and 6328 04:23:08,399 --> 04:23:09,760 one comment letter opposing the 6329 04:23:09,760 --> 04:23:11,840 development was received the same day. 6330 04:23:11,840 --> 04:23:14,319 Julie Katherine Quest Brooks on behalf 6331 04:23:14,319 --> 04:23:17,120 Country Properties. All right, I'll hand 6332 04:23:17,120 --> 04:23:19,760 it over to Commissioner Park. Go ahead. 6333 04:23:19,760 --> 04:23:20,640 >> Oh, sure, Nick. Sorry. 6334 04:23:20,640 --> 04:23:22,800 >> So, this is uh so this is a lot right 6335 04:23:22,800 --> 04:23:24,399 off of Vital Wild that's supposed to be 6336 04:23:24,399 --> 04:23:27,840 split into two. Um it'll be serviced WC 6337 04:23:27,840 --> 04:23:30,479 by WC. We did receive a letter from WCID 6338 04:23:30,479 --> 04:23:32,640 saying they will service both lots. Um 6339 04:23:32,640 --> 04:23:34,080 they're currently serving an existing 6340 04:23:34,080 --> 04:23:35,439 structure on one of those lots and said 6341 04:23:35,439 --> 04:23:37,520 they will service the remaining 6342 04:23:37,520 --> 04:23:40,560 structure of up to equivalent of a of 6343 04:23:40,560 --> 04:23:43,040 one office building with one bathroom. 6344 04:23:43,040 --> 04:23:45,840 Um and there is flood plane on there. We 6345 04:23:45,840 --> 04:23:47,520 and that was mapped out on the on the 6346 04:23:47,520 --> 04:23:49,600 plat uh along with the base flood 6347 04:23:49,600 --> 04:23:53,439 elevation is going to be captured. Um we 6348 04:23:53,439 --> 04:23:55,680 did receive that one letter uh opposing 6349 04:23:55,680 --> 04:23:57,439 just before the public hearing. Um but 6350 04:23:57,439 --> 04:24:00,239 nobody came up to speak. 6351 04:24:00,239 --> 04:24:01,279 I did forward that letter to 6352 04:24:01,279 --> 04:24:03,359 commissioner's court the day after. So I 6353 04:24:03,359 --> 04:24:04,560 don't have much 6354 04:24:04,560 --> 04:24:06,239 >> at this time. I entertain a motion as to 6355 04:24:06,239 --> 04:24:07,520 agenda item 40. 6356 04:24:07,520 --> 04:24:10,479 >> Do you want to say anything? Go. 6357 04:24:10,479 --> 04:24:12,319 >> Judge, I move that we approve the replat 6358 04:24:12,319 --> 04:24:14,080 of town of Comfort creating lots 6359 04:24:14,080 --> 04:24:16,479 21B-121B-2 6360 04:24:16,479 --> 04:24:20,399 located at 119 Idle Wild Comfort about. 6361 04:24:20,399 --> 04:24:24,479 23 miles east of US Highway 87 in 6362 04:24:24,479 --> 04:24:26,239 accordance with the 2022 development 6363 04:24:26,239 --> 04:24:28,319 regulations to create two lots out of 6364 04:24:28,319 --> 04:24:31,920 1.486 acres with an average lot size 6365 04:24:31,920 --> 04:24:33,840 of.743 6366 04:24:33,840 --> 04:24:36,159 acres per lot and both lots shall be 6367 04:24:36,159 --> 04:24:38,319 served water and sewer from WC number 6368 04:24:38,319 --> 04:24:41,120 one. Public hearing was held April 14th, 6369 04:24:41,120 --> 04:24:43,520 2026 and one comment letter opposing the 6370 04:24:43,520 --> 04:24:46,880 development was received the same day. 6371 04:24:46,880 --> 04:24:48,159 >> Uh motion made by Commissioner 6372 04:24:48,159 --> 04:24:49,920 Carpenter. I have a second. Second. 6373 04:24:49,920 --> 04:24:51,359 >> Second by Commissioner Chapman. Any 6374 04:24:51,359 --> 04:24:53,840 further discussion? There being none, 6375 04:24:53,840 --> 04:24:55,120 please call the vote. 6376 04:24:55,120 --> 04:24:56,159 >> Commissioner McCall 6377 04:24:56,159 --> 04:24:56,560 >> I. 6378 04:24:56,560 --> 04:24:57,600 >> Commissioner Ouijan. 6379 04:24:57,600 --> 04:24:58,080 >> I. 6380 04:24:58,080 --> 04:24:59,120 >> Commissioner Chapman. 6381 04:24:59,120 --> 04:24:59,600 >> I. 6382 04:24:59,600 --> 04:25:00,800 >> Commissioner Carpenter. 6383 04:25:00,800 --> 04:25:01,199 >> I. 6384 04:25:01,199 --> 04:25:02,159 >> Judge Sto. 6385 04:25:02,159 --> 04:25:05,279 >> I. Motion carries 5 to zero. Next up, 6386 04:25:05,279 --> 04:25:06,800 consideration possible action on 6387 04:25:06,800 --> 04:25:08,319 approving the final plat of Freedom 6388 04:25:08,319 --> 04:25:10,000 Place Business Park, a subdivision 6389 04:25:10,000 --> 04:25:12,239 located in the intersection of Upper 6390 04:25:12,239 --> 04:25:14,960 Cibilo Creek Road and IH10 in accordance 6391 04:25:14,960 --> 04:25:17,760 with the 2022 development rules. Revos 6392 04:25:17,760 --> 04:25:20,000 private subdivision would plat which 6393 04:25:20,000 --> 04:25:21,600 plat would create three lots out of 6394 04:25:21,600 --> 04:25:24,560 14.546 acres for an average lot size of 6395 04:25:24,560 --> 04:25:29,120 4.849 acre lot and one lot create and on 6396 04:25:29,120 --> 04:25:31,840 one lot create 40 units lot shall be 6397 04:25:31,840 --> 04:25:34,080 served by subdivision public water 6398 04:25:34,080 --> 04:25:37,359 system and individual on-site systems. 6399 04:25:37,359 --> 04:25:40,239 Mr. Carpenter or Clay, sorry. 6400 04:25:40,239 --> 04:25:41,920 >> Sir, Clay Forester, County Injuries 6401 04:25:41,920 --> 04:25:45,199 Office. Um, judge commissioners, this uh 6402 04:25:45,199 --> 04:25:48,239 this plat is uh consists of three lots, 6403 04:25:48,239 --> 04:25:50,560 one of which is a multi-unit plat. Court 6404 04:25:50,560 --> 04:25:53,760 previously granted relief to um allow 6405 04:25:53,760 --> 04:25:56,239 fencing to not be constructed as a part 6406 04:25:56,239 --> 04:25:58,159 of this plat. Um and the neighbors were 6407 04:25:58,159 --> 04:26:05,279 in concurrence. They supported uh the uh effort with letters. Um so um 6408 04:26:05,279 --> 04:26:07,760 items of note uh the development has 6409 04:26:07,760 --> 04:26:09,920 completed a GAR reviewed by our office. 6410 04:26:09,920 --> 04:26:11,760 Um they will be providing a public water 6411 04:26:11,760 --> 04:26:13,920 system that serves all three tracks. Um 6412 04:26:13,920 --> 04:26:15,600 they're also all three tracks are going 6413 04:26:15,600 --> 04:26:20,239 to be uh supplied with um on-site sewage 6414 04:26:20,239 --> 04:26:22,960 facilities for each tract. Um the 6415 04:26:22,960 --> 04:26:25,840 northern tract is a little tight on real 6416 04:26:25,840 --> 04:26:27,760 estate for that. Um our office has 6417 04:26:27,760 --> 04:26:31,279 reviewed it thoroughly. Um and uh 6418 04:26:31,279 --> 04:26:34,960 between the the design provided and some 6419 04:26:34,960 --> 04:26:36,319 of the covenants and restrictions that 6420 04:26:36,319 --> 04:26:37,920 to which the developers agreed, we are 6421 04:26:37,920 --> 04:26:40,720 satisfied that the lot um will have a 6422 04:26:40,720 --> 04:26:41,920 use that's appropriate to the 6423 04:26:41,920 --> 04:26:43,920 availability of septic for the for that 6424 04:26:43,920 --> 04:26:47,520 northern lot. Um also this track does uh 6425 04:26:47,520 --> 04:26:49,120 this development does have two access 6426 04:26:49,120 --> 04:26:51,439 points. One north on IH10 frontage road 6427 04:26:51,439 --> 04:26:54,560 and one on the south side um on upper 6428 04:26:54,560 --> 04:26:56,960 creek road. But between the northern lot 6429 04:26:56,960 --> 04:26:58,640 and the central lot, it is going to be 6430 04:26:58,640 --> 04:27:00,560 gated. So the commercial traffic will 6431 04:27:00,560 --> 04:27:02,560 all be accessing from the north and it 6432 04:27:02,560 --> 04:27:04,880 will only be uh residential or local 6433 04:27:04,880 --> 04:27:06,960 traffic accessing off Upper Cibilo Creek 6434 04:27:06,960 --> 04:27:09,279 Road. Um also as a part of the project 6435 04:27:09,279 --> 04:27:10,960 in accordance with our rules, um the 6436 04:27:10,960 --> 04:27:13,040 developers agreed within the limits of 6437 04:27:13,040 --> 04:27:15,199 rough portionality to widen Upper Cibilo 6438 04:27:15,199 --> 04:27:16,800 Creek Road along their front edge along 6439 04:27:16,800 --> 04:27:19,680 that road. Um and we've uh reviewed 6440 04:27:19,680 --> 04:27:21,760 plans. We have a OPC which will be 6441 04:27:21,760 --> 04:27:23,040 considered on your next item for a 6442 04:27:23,040 --> 04:27:25,600 financial guarantee for the project. Um, 6443 04:27:25,600 --> 04:27:27,040 and I'm happy to answer any questions 6444 04:27:27,040 --> 04:27:30,710 y'all have. 6445 04:27:30,720 --> 04:27:32,399 » Remind me what other requests for relief 6446 04:27:32,399 --> 04:27:33,600 were discussed. 6447 04:27:33,600 --> 04:27:36,159 >> Yes, sir. Um, there w there were two. 6448 04:27:36,159 --> 04:27:38,640 One was for placing, I believe, a well 6449 04:27:38,640 --> 04:27:40,319 structure within the setback along the 6450 04:27:40,319 --> 04:27:41,359 I10 frontage road 6451 04:27:41,359 --> 04:27:42,319 >> and that was denied. 6452 04:27:42,319 --> 04:27:44,880 >> Correct. Okay. And then the other was uh 6453 04:27:44,880 --> 04:27:47,439 to eliminate uh the perimeter fencing 6454 04:27:47,439 --> 04:27:48,960 required as part of our multi-unit 6455 04:27:48,960 --> 04:27:50,960 platting for the northern lot and that 6456 04:27:50,960 --> 04:27:54,000 was approved. And and does that because 6457 04:27:54,000 --> 04:27:56,640 that was all allowed. Is that why it 6458 04:27:56,640 --> 04:28:01,189 mean you're able to approve 6459 04:28:01,199 --> 04:28:02,479 everything else because you said it's 6460 04:28:02,479 --> 04:28:04,319 tight on the northern quarters? 6461 04:28:04,319 --> 04:28:06,159 >> Um I don't know. The the fencing 6462 04:28:06,159 --> 04:28:07,840 wouldn't have been related to that. It 6463 04:28:07,840 --> 04:28:09,520 was just with the the site plan 6464 04:28:09,520 --> 04:28:13,279 presented. It was um it's just a it's a 6465 04:28:13,279 --> 04:28:14,479 piece of real estate is laid out. 6466 04:28:14,479 --> 04:28:15,920 There's flood plane also through the 6467 04:28:15,920 --> 04:28:17,760 property to the south. They've avoided 6468 04:28:17,760 --> 04:28:20,399 any type of impacts to the flood plane. 6469 04:28:20,399 --> 04:28:22,080 Um, and then from there they're they're 6470 04:28:22,080 --> 04:28:24,399 looking to maximize the number of units 6471 04:28:24,399 --> 04:28:26,159 so they can provide general office space 6472 04:28:26,159 --> 04:28:28,399 and warehouse I believe is the is the 6473 04:28:28,399 --> 04:28:30,640 mix. And so they have a they have a plan 6474 04:28:30,640 --> 04:28:32,159 that works and is to to our 6475 04:28:32,159 --> 04:28:33,520 satisfaction. 6476 04:28:33,520 --> 04:28:35,359 >> All right, judge. If I may, quick 6477 04:28:35,359 --> 04:28:37,439 comments. My name is Ben Briggs. I grew 6478 04:28:37,439 --> 04:28:40,800 up in Dallas. Uh, lived in Asia for 17 6479 04:28:40,800 --> 04:28:43,040 years and have called Bernie home for 6480 04:28:43,040 --> 04:28:46,159 the last four years, the Bernie area. 6481 04:28:46,159 --> 04:28:49,439 Um, thank you for all of uh the support 6482 04:28:49,439 --> 04:28:51,760 of the commissioners and the court uh 6483 04:28:51,760 --> 04:28:54,640 for the engineers department especially. 6484 04:28:54,640 --> 04:28:57,439 Um, Freedom Place Business Park, which 6485 04:28:57,439 --> 04:28:59,680 we're building here, is going to be uh 6486 04:28:59,680 --> 04:29:01,279 for small businesses, and it's going to 6487 04:29:01,279 --> 04:29:03,840 really help bring in uh small companies 6488 04:29:03,840 --> 04:29:07,680 and create jobs, create enterprise, and build up Kendall County. And we're 6489 04:29:07,680 --> 04:29:10,399 excited about that. um when my wife and 6490 04:29:10,399 --> 04:29:12,399 I were living overseas, we helped start 6491 04:29:12,399 --> 04:29:14,880 a ministry in the red light districts of 6492 04:29:14,880 --> 04:29:17,359 our city and started learning about 6493 04:29:17,359 --> 04:29:19,840 human trafficking. And because of that, 6494 04:29:19,840 --> 04:29:22,080 uh we have aspired for our real estate 6495 04:29:22,080 --> 04:29:24,479 business to fund charities that are 6496 04:29:24,479 --> 04:29:26,080 fighting human trafficking. And so part 6497 04:29:26,080 --> 04:29:27,600 of what I'm excited about with this 6498 04:29:27,600 --> 04:29:31,760 project is that aspect of it. Um, but 6499 04:29:31,760 --> 04:29:33,760 special thanks to the engineers office, 6500 04:29:33,760 --> 04:29:35,840 to Clay, to Marielle, and to Nick, to 6501 04:29:35,840 --> 04:29:38,319 everybody who's got us across uh this 6502 04:29:38,319 --> 04:29:41,040 far. Thanks to James and Sterling, uh to 6503 04:29:41,040 --> 04:29:43,760 Amy and Becky at the EDC, uh to 6504 04:29:43,760 --> 04:29:45,840 Commissioner Carpenter, and so much 6505 04:29:45,840 --> 04:29:47,520 support from everybody. So, very 6506 04:29:47,520 --> 04:29:49,920 thankful uh to get across this finish 6507 04:29:49,920 --> 04:29:50,720 line. Thank you'all. 6508 04:29:50,720 --> 04:29:52,080 >> Thank you. 6509 04:29:52,080 --> 04:29:53,840 At this time, Chad, I'll consider or 6510 04:29:53,840 --> 04:29:55,199 enter your motion. 6511 04:29:55,199 --> 04:29:57,199 >> Judge, I move that we approve the final 6512 04:29:57,199 --> 04:29:59,199 plat of Freedom Place Business Park, a 6513 04:29:59,199 --> 04:30:00,880 subdivision located at the intersection 6514 04:30:00,880 --> 04:30:04,080 of Upper Perilo Creek Road and I IH10 in 6515 04:30:04,080 --> 04:30:05,920 accordance with the 2022 development 6516 04:30:05,920 --> 04:30:08,720 rules. The proposed private subdivision 6517 04:30:08,720 --> 04:30:10,479 plat would create three lots out of 6518 04:30:10,479 --> 04:30:14,159 14.546 acres for an average lot size of 6519 04:30:14,159 --> 04:30:17,760 4.849 acres per lot and on one lot 6520 04:30:17,760 --> 04:30:20,800 create 40 units. The lots shall be 6521 04:30:20,800 --> 04:30:22,800 served by a subdivision of public water 6522 04:30:22,800 --> 04:30:25,520 system and individual on-site septic 6523 04:30:25,520 --> 04:30:26,159 systems. 6524 04:30:26,159 --> 04:30:27,520 >> Motion made by Commissioner Carpenter. 6525 04:30:27,520 --> 04:30:28,479 Do I have a second? 6526 04:30:28,479 --> 04:30:28,960 >> Second. 6527 04:30:28,960 --> 04:30:30,399 >> Seconded by Commissioner Chapman. Any 6528 04:30:30,399 --> 04:30:31,359 further discussion? 6529 04:30:31,359 --> 04:30:33,680 >> I do have one uh comment. 6530 04:30:33,680 --> 04:30:34,800 >> Yes, sir. 6531 04:30:34,800 --> 04:30:39,520 >> Do this and the previous uh item which 6532 04:30:39,520 --> 04:30:42,880 we approve. Both meet our rules. 6533 04:30:42,880 --> 04:30:43,680 >> Yes, sir. 6534 04:30:43,680 --> 04:30:47,120 >> Both are meet both are using more water. 6535 04:30:47,120 --> 04:30:50,960 And in looking at the both the Twin 6536 04:30:50,960 --> 04:30:55,199 Canyon Well and the Comfort Well, 6537 04:30:55,199 --> 04:30:58,960 with two years of uh July flooding, the 6538 04:30:58,960 --> 04:31:03,600 Comfort Well is up one foot over its 6539 04:31:03,600 --> 04:31:06,720 low. And so 6540 04:31:06,720 --> 04:31:09,359 that's going to be a problem. I've said 6541 04:31:09,359 --> 04:31:11,359 this many times, I'm going to keep 6542 04:31:11,359 --> 04:31:14,159 saying it. And with the Twin Canyon, 6543 04:31:14,159 --> 04:31:18,560 well, uh, this right now it's at the 6544 04:31:18,560 --> 04:31:21,279 roughly the second lowest 6545 04:31:21,279 --> 04:31:25,359 since, uh, 2019. 6546 04:31:25,359 --> 04:31:28,960 So, at some point in time, all of these 6547 04:31:28,960 --> 04:31:31,920 wells are going to hit bottom and then 6548 04:31:31,920 --> 04:31:34,640 this land is not going to be worth 6549 04:31:34,640 --> 04:31:36,800 anything without water. 6550 04:31:36,800 --> 04:31:40,800 So, but it is does follow the rules and 6551 04:31:40,800 --> 04:31:44,000 I feel that I must vote accordingly. 6552 04:31:44,000 --> 04:31:46,080 >> Thank you. 6553 04:31:46,080 --> 04:31:47,279 >> Commissioner McCau 6554 04:31:47,279 --> 04:31:47,920 >> I 6555 04:31:47,920 --> 04:31:48,960 >> Commissioner Wean 6556 04:31:48,960 --> 04:31:49,439 >> I 6557 04:31:49,439 --> 04:31:50,560 >> Commissioner Chapman 6558 04:31:50,560 --> 04:31:51,120 >> I 6559 04:31:51,120 --> 04:31:52,239 >> Commissioner Carpenter 6560 04:31:52,239 --> 04:31:52,560 >> I 6561 04:31:52,560 --> 04:31:53,760 >> Darzik 6562 04:31:53,760 --> 04:31:56,239 >> I motion vote or motion carries 5 to 6563 04:31:56,239 --> 04:31:58,239 zero. Next up, consideration possible 6564 04:31:58,239 --> 04:31:59,920 action approving the financial guarantee 6565 04:31:59,920 --> 04:32:01,920 for Freedom Place Business Park in the 6566 04:32:01,920 --> 04:32:06,950 form of a bond in the amount of $411,755 6567 04:32:06,960 --> 04:32:09,199 and 89 cents to secure required road and 6568 04:32:09,199 --> 04:32:11,040 drainage improvements. Chad, I'll 6569 04:32:11,040 --> 04:32:12,720 entertain your motion. 6570 04:32:12,720 --> 04:32:14,880 >> Judge, I move that we approve the 6571 04:32:14,880 --> 04:32:16,640 financial guarantee for Freedom Place 6572 04:32:16,640 --> 04:32:18,239 Business Park in the form of a bond in 6573 04:32:18,239 --> 04:32:23,110 the amount of $411,755.89 6574 04:32:23,120 --> 04:32:25,600 89 cents to secure required road and 6575 04:32:25,600 --> 04:32:27,680 bridge road and drainage improvements. 6576 04:32:27,680 --> 04:32:29,120 >> Motion made by Commissioner Carpenter, 6577 04:32:29,120 --> 04:32:31,279 second by Commissioner Chapman. Any 6578 04:32:31,279 --> 04:32:32,960 further discussion? There being none, 6579 04:32:32,960 --> 04:32:34,080 Terresa, you're up. 6580 04:32:34,080 --> 04:32:35,199 >> Commissioner McCall 6581 04:32:35,199 --> 04:32:35,680 >> I. 6582 04:32:35,680 --> 04:32:36,640 >> Commissioner Rean 6583 04:32:36,640 --> 04:32:37,120 >> I. 6584 04:32:37,120 --> 04:32:38,239 >> Commissioner Chapman 6585 04:32:38,239 --> 04:32:38,720 >> I. 6586 04:32:38,720 --> 04:32:39,600 >> Commissioner Carpenter. 6587 04:32:39,600 --> 04:32:40,080 >> Hi. 6588 04:32:40,080 --> 04:32:40,960 >> Judge. 6589 04:32:40,960 --> 04:32:43,439 >> I. Motion carries five to zero. And last 6590 04:32:43,439 --> 04:32:44,000 but not 6591 04:32:44,000 --> 04:32:45,520 >> judge, I know it's been a long day. Can 6592 04:32:45,520 --> 04:32:46,960 I get a quick picture? 6593 04:32:46,960 --> 04:32:53,110 >> Oh, absolutely. 6594 04:32:53,120 --> 04:32:57,429 You're famous. 6595 04:32:57,439 --> 04:32:58,720 » You want it with the whole court or what 6596 04:32:58,720 --> 04:32:59,680 do you want? 6597 04:32:59,680 --> 04:33:01,760 >> I'll take it. 6598 04:33:01,760 --> 04:33:04,320 >> No, I'll go for it. Judge. 6599 04:33:04,320 --> 04:33:06,000 >> No, she they just want the engineering 6600 04:33:06,000 --> 04:33:10,150 department. 6601 04:33:10,160 --> 04:33:11,680 » Get in there. 6602 04:33:11,680 --> 04:33:24,629 >> Get me in trouble. 6603 04:33:24,639 --> 04:33:27,760 Hey, James. I did this behind you, 6604 04:33:27,760 --> 04:33:28,080 >> sir. 6605 04:33:28,080 --> 04:33:38,150 >> But not where anybody could see. 6606 04:33:38,160 --> 04:33:42,150 » All right. Homestretch 6607 04:33:42,160 --> 04:33:44,000 consideration possible action regarding 6608 04:33:44,000 --> 04:33:45,439 future meetings between commissioners 6609 04:33:45,439 --> 04:33:47,039 court employees reporting directly to 6610 04:33:47,039 --> 04:33:49,199 commissioners court during public 6611 04:33:49,199 --> 04:33:51,039 meetings and open sessions as 6612 04:33:51,039 --> 04:33:53,119 appropriate to allow the direct reports 6613 04:33:53,119 --> 04:33:54,879 a regular opportunity to communicate 6614 04:33:54,879 --> 04:33:56,799 with their supervisor to discuss various 6615 04:33:56,799 --> 04:33:59,119 matters which may include job duties and 6616 04:33:59,119 --> 04:34:01,520 responsibilities challenges concerns 6617 04:34:01,520 --> 04:34:03,359 departmental operations and upcoming 6618 04:34:03,359 --> 04:34:04,561 projects commissioner region 6619 04:34:04,561 --> 04:34:06,080 commissioner Carpenter I'll hand off to 6620 04:34:06,080 --> 04:34:07,600 whoever wants to take lead 6621 04:34:07,600 --> 04:34:09,119 >> I'll kick us off So, we've talked about 6622 04:34:09,119 --> 04:34:10,879 doing this for some time. Commissioner's 6623 04:34:10,879 --> 04:34:12,879 Court does supervise a number of 6624 04:34:12,879 --> 04:34:14,639 employees and department heads, and I 6625 04:34:14,639 --> 04:34:16,240 think we need a regular opportunity to 6626 04:34:16,240 --> 04:34:18,320 hear from them. So, it's just simply a 6627 04:34:18,320 --> 04:34:19,920 chance to talk with them about what 6628 04:34:19,920 --> 04:34:21,840 they're working on, any challenges or 6629 04:34:21,840 --> 04:34:24,000 concerns, budget or staffing needs, and 6630 04:34:24,000 --> 04:34:26,480 upcoming projects. And we can certainly 6631 04:34:26,480 --> 04:34:28,480 take guidance from um general counsel on 6632 04:34:28,480 --> 04:34:29,760 what she thinks, but my thought is to 6633 04:34:29,760 --> 04:34:31,439 put one or two at a time on the court 6634 04:34:31,439 --> 04:34:33,520 agenda and work our way through the 6635 04:34:33,520 --> 04:34:35,439 direct reports throughout the year. and 6636 04:34:35,439 --> 04:34:37,199 some discussions will be in open session 6637 04:34:37,199 --> 04:34:39,279 and when appropriate general counsel can 6638 04:34:39,279 --> 04:34:41,760 guide us into close session. It's uh 6639 04:34:41,760 --> 04:34:43,600 about better communication between the 6640 04:34:43,600 --> 04:34:44,959 court and the people. And just looking 6641 04:34:44,959 --> 04:34:47,600 at the organizational chart offhand 6642 04:34:47,600 --> 04:34:50,639 we've got um reporting to the court, 6643 04:34:50,639 --> 04:34:53,199 general counsel, county engineer, 6644 04:34:53,199 --> 04:34:55,920 facilities, building maintenance, IT, 6645 04:34:55,920 --> 04:34:58,480 human resources, fire marshall, health 6646 04:34:58,480 --> 04:35:01,279 inspector inspector, veteran services, 6647 04:35:01,279 --> 04:35:03,279 indigent health, parks, and the grant 6648 04:35:03,279 --> 04:35:05,359 coordination. So, there's quite a few. 6649 04:35:05,359 --> 04:35:07,279 So, um I'll leave it up to you all to 6650 04:35:07,279 --> 04:35:09,359 see how we should proceed and if we need 6651 04:35:09,359 --> 04:35:11,920 an action item or adjust it any time a 6652 04:35:11,920 --> 04:35:13,359 commissioner can put something on the 6653 04:35:13,359 --> 04:35:15,600 agenda. Maybe you could facilitate that 6654 04:35:15,600 --> 04:35:18,160 or Melissa, whoever sends the first one 6655 04:35:18,160 --> 04:35:18,799 or two. 6656 04:35:18,799 --> 04:35:20,160 >> I don't even think you need a vote on 6657 04:35:20,160 --> 04:35:22,400 this. I just think it'd be as long as 6658 04:35:22,400 --> 04:35:24,160 it's a concurrence that that's what we 6659 04:35:24,160 --> 04:35:27,920 want. Just put it on the 6660 04:35:27,920 --> 04:35:29,760 get with Jen and have Jen put it get 6661 04:35:29,760 --> 04:35:31,039 with Melissa to do it. I think that's 6662 04:35:31,039 --> 04:35:33,840 the cleaner way because I just to me 6663 04:35:33,840 --> 04:35:36,240 this is just a 6664 04:35:36,240 --> 04:35:38,400 >> internal operating procedure that if we 6665 04:35:38,400 --> 04:35:40,000 agree to it that's I think that's 6666 04:35:40,000 --> 04:35:41,520 sufficient if we're all 6667 04:35:41,520 --> 04:35:43,520 >> if you would give us some guidance on 6668 04:35:43,520 --> 04:35:45,279 how you would like to select the 6669 04:35:45,279 --> 04:35:48,000 employees for each meeting um that would 6670 04:35:48,000 --> 04:35:48,959 be helpful if you want to go 6671 04:35:48,959 --> 04:35:51,920 alphabetical by employees last name 6672 04:35:51,920 --> 04:35:54,080 alphabetical by department or some other 6673 04:35:54,080 --> 04:35:55,760 method of of choosing who you want to 6674 04:35:55,760 --> 04:35:58,080 speak with first um Melissa and I'd be 6675 04:35:58,080 --> 04:36:01,359 happy to help facilitate those for 6676 04:36:01,359 --> 04:36:03,920 I'm open to any suggestions. Alpha works 6677 04:36:03,920 --> 04:36:06,879 as well. Judge, do you have an idea? 6678 04:36:06,879 --> 04:36:08,320 >> Or if there's specific departments you'd 6679 04:36:08,320 --> 04:36:09,840 like to see first because you have a lot 6680 04:36:09,840 --> 04:36:11,520 of things going on currently with those 6681 04:36:11,520 --> 04:36:12,000 department. 6682 04:36:12,000 --> 04:36:13,840 >> Just go down the phone list. Okay. 6683 04:36:13,840 --> 04:36:15,840 >> That's a easy to do. 6684 04:36:15,840 --> 04:36:19,039 >> Yeah. And I mean, it's going to be in a 6685 04:36:19,039 --> 04:36:21,760 rotation anyway. So, somebody's going to 6686 04:36:21,760 --> 04:36:24,080 go first and somebody's last and it'll 6687 04:36:24,080 --> 04:36:25,680 be that'll start all over. 6688 04:36:25,680 --> 04:36:27,119 >> Yeah. 6689 04:36:27,119 --> 04:36:29,039 you'd like to start with two um and 6690 04:36:29,039 --> 04:36:31,199 maybe even give them a time limit for 6691 04:36:31,199 --> 04:36:34,080 the close session um to start off with 6692 04:36:34,080 --> 04:36:37,279 that if you think that's idea. It's up 6693 04:36:37,279 --> 04:36:38,879 to you guys. 6694 04:36:38,879 --> 04:36:41,119 >> I say let's start like October 1st in a 6695 04:36:41,119 --> 04:36:43,199 new fiscal fiscal year and just that way 6696 04:36:43,199 --> 04:36:44,480 because we got some things we had to 6697 04:36:44,480 --> 04:36:46,320 plow through in the next month. 6698 04:36:46,320 --> 04:36:48,799 >> So like the budget and whatnot. So 6699 04:36:48,799 --> 04:36:49,920 that's my 6700 04:36:49,920 --> 04:36:52,240 >> and the goal would be to keep it between 6701 04:36:52,240 --> 04:36:56,561 20 and 30 minutes each. Right. I say 15 6702 04:36:56,561 --> 04:36:59,199 20 tops each. I think you know some of 6703 04:36:59,199 --> 04:37:01,279 them may not even need all that time. 6704 04:37:01,279 --> 04:37:03,920 >> And some may or may not need to go into 6705 04:37:03,920 --> 04:37:04,480 close session. 6706 04:37:04,480 --> 04:37:04,879 >> Correct. 6707 04:37:04,879 --> 04:37:06,639 >> As well. Well, we can take the org 6708 04:37:06,639 --> 04:37:07,439 chart. 6709 04:37:07,439 --> 04:37:08,080 >> Yeah. Whatever 6710 04:37:08,080 --> 04:37:09,199 >> right there. 6711 04:37:09,199 --> 04:37:10,959 >> General counsel county engineer are the 6712 04:37:10,959 --> 04:37:13,039 first top two. 6713 04:37:13,039 --> 04:37:13,359 >> All right. 6714 04:37:13,359 --> 04:37:14,719 >> But whatever y'all want to do. I would 6715 04:37:14,719 --> 04:37:17,119 also add that um the wording on the 6716 04:37:17,119 --> 04:37:19,439 agenda item is scary sounding to a lot 6717 04:37:19,439 --> 04:37:20,959 of people because it says duties and 6718 04:37:20,959 --> 04:37:24,000 responsibilities of blank and including 6719 04:37:24,000 --> 04:37:25,920 the dismissal and I mean there's a lot 6720 04:37:25,920 --> 04:37:27,199 of different words that go into those 6721 04:37:27,199 --> 04:37:28,160 agenda items. So 6722 04:37:28,160 --> 04:37:30,000 >> I think we'll talk we have roundt coming 6723 04:37:30,000 --> 04:37:31,760 up this week. I don't know who's who's 6724 04:37:31,760 --> 04:37:32,799 with me at round table. 6725 04:37:32,799 --> 04:37:34,879 >> I think directly from the statute for 6726 04:37:34,879 --> 04:37:37,199 the personnel um matters that's an 6727 04:37:37,199 --> 04:37:39,920 exception under the public pardon me 6728 04:37:39,920 --> 04:37:42,320 open meetings act. And so what I do is I 6729 04:37:42,320 --> 04:37:43,680 put the language directly from the 6730 04:37:43,680 --> 04:37:45,600 statute within the agenda item to give 6731 04:37:45,600 --> 04:37:47,279 the court as much flexibility as 6732 04:37:47,279 --> 04:37:49,439 possible on what the court may choose to 6733 04:37:49,439 --> 04:37:51,439 talk about during close session. It's 6734 04:37:51,439 --> 04:37:52,959 not intended to be scary. In fact, 6735 04:37:52,959 --> 04:37:54,480 you'll see that my job's been on the 6736 04:37:54,480 --> 04:37:55,840 closed session a few times and that 6737 04:37:55,840 --> 04:37:58,000 language has been used every time. So 6738 04:37:58,000 --> 04:38:00,000 please, if staff is seeing this and 6739 04:38:00,000 --> 04:38:01,840 hearing this, it's not intended to be 6740 04:38:01,840 --> 04:38:04,719 scary in any way. But there's no reason 6741 04:38:04,719 --> 04:38:06,639 that I can see to handcuff the court 6742 04:38:06,639 --> 04:38:08,080 walking into a meeting on what their 6743 04:38:08,080 --> 04:38:09,520 options are when the court's the 6744 04:38:09,520 --> 04:38:11,439 supervisor of the employee. 6745 04:38:11,439 --> 04:38:13,279 >> I think we can just try to brief this at 6746 04:38:13,279 --> 04:38:17,439 round table just kind of what the 6747 04:38:17,439 --> 04:38:19,760 >> expectation is and what don't be scared 6748 04:38:19,760 --> 04:38:23,039 about the language. And so with that is 6749 04:38:23,039 --> 04:38:25,039 >> I want to say one thing real quick and 6750 04:38:25,039 --> 04:38:26,719 um I think this is a great idea because 6751 04:38:26,719 --> 04:38:29,119 it seems for some departments the only 6752 04:38:29,119 --> 04:38:31,520 time we see them is during budget and so 6753 04:38:31,520 --> 04:38:33,680 I do think we need to interact and have 6754 04:38:33,680 --> 04:38:35,680 them feel the freedom to be able to 6755 04:38:35,680 --> 04:38:37,760 bring things to us and I think as we 6756 04:38:37,760 --> 04:38:40,959 start the process um they'll feel the 6757 04:38:40,959 --> 04:38:43,359 ability to bring things to us that they 6758 04:38:43,359 --> 04:38:45,680 may not have before and so I think this 6759 04:38:45,680 --> 04:38:47,920 is a great idea. Thank you. 6760 04:38:47,920 --> 04:38:50,080 All right. So, with that, it is 2:38 6761 04:38:50,080 --> 04:38:51,840 p.m. on Tuesday, August 25th. That 6762 04:38:51,840 --> 04:38:53,600 concludes our open portion of today's 6763 04:38:53,600 --> 04:38:55,840 session. You okay with taking a couple 6764 04:38:55,840 --> 04:38:57,760 minute restroom break? And then we'll 6765 04:38:57,760 --> 04:38:59,680 pick up with our executive. We'll start 6766 04:38:59,680 --> 04:39:02,160 off with Rusty Busby and Prop 8 and get 6767 04:39:02,160 --> 04:39:04,480 this thing moved. All right. We're in a 6768 04:39:04,480 --> 04:39:10,470 quick recess. 6769 04:39:10,480 --> 04:39:13,279 » Right. It's uh officially 4:30 p.m. and 6770 04:39:13,279 --> 04:39:15,680 we concluded our executive session and 6771 04:39:15,680 --> 04:39:17,600 we're reopening our open portion of 6772 04:39:17,600 --> 04:39:20,080 today's session. Are there any motions 6773 04:39:20,080 --> 04:39:22,080 uh you ladies would like to make? 6774 04:39:22,080 --> 04:39:22,639 >> No, sir. 6775 04:39:22,639 --> 04:39:24,480 >> Gentlemen, anything from you? 6776 04:39:24,480 --> 04:39:26,719 >> And with that, it is 4:30 p.m. and this 6777 04:39:26,719 --> 04:39:28,240 regularly called session of the Kendall 6778 04:39:28,240 --> 04:39:32,439 County Commissioner Court is adjourned.