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[0:12] All right. Good evening, everyone, and welcome to our regularly scheduled work session for Monday,
[0:19] May the 12th. It's 6.30. I know the clock in the back says 6.31, but the official time clock
[0:27] is 6.30. All right so I've got a pretty busy agenda tonight and for the record
[0:37] everyone's here and we have Mr. Bentley, Fred Bentley, juniors on the zoom link
[0:45] when it's time when it's appropriate. Good evening Fred. We'll key in when it's
[0:51] time. First new business for resolution for the co-location of polling places, the K3A and K4A,
[1:01] from what I understand it's based on the church's
[1:06] lack of desire to be a polling place again. Correct. Okay, go ahead. Right, so
[1:12] due to the previous polling location for Kennesaw 4A, which was Kennesaw First Baptist Church,
[1:19] to no longer being able to serve.
[1:21] Covalections is planning to temporarily co-locate KNSOL4A
[1:24] with KNSOL3A, which is located at Ben Robertson Community
[1:28] Center through the end of 2025.
[1:30] When looking at similar historical election turnout,
[1:33] Covalections is confident that the Ben Robertson Community
[1:35] Center can handle the anticipated turnout
[1:38] the upcoming November municipal election.
[1:41] At their May 5th meeting, Covalections
[1:44] voted to approve the co-location.
[1:46] So it's just a matter of us approving it as well.
[1:48] On a public notification note,
[1:52] call elections will mail all the voters in the effective pre-seat,
[1:57] a postcard notifying them of the change.
[1:59] Additionally, a four-by-four foot by four-foot sign will be posted
[2:03] at the Kennesaw Baptist Church location.
[2:06] For the week leading up to election day,
[2:08] an additional yard signs will be posted at each entrance
[2:10] of the old location the day before election day.
[2:14] Anybody have any questions?
[2:18] So does that mean that they will be looking into finding in for replacement? Yes. Yeah, they didn't want to make a temporary change for June and then make another change for November and confuse everyone. So through the end of the year, they'll be collate, locating to polling locations and coming up with a more permanent solution.
[2:40] after 2025.
[2:42] I'd like to move that to consent.
[2:47] Right.
[2:51] All right.
[2:56] Crime staff.
[2:59] This is April 2025.
[3:04] Yes, thank you very much.
[3:08] Just to highlight some of the
[3:09] significant reductions or
[3:11] increases. We saw a significant increase year-to-date so far in intimidation of 18,
[3:21] saw a significant decrease year-to-date so far with simple assault with a negative 17.
[3:30] In fraud cases, we've seen an overall increase in 25 of 18. In drugs and narcotics,
[3:37] For this month in April, we saw a significant decrease of minus 15 and overall this year
[3:45] a significant decrease of a minus 10.
[3:49] For the month, we were at 90 for April 25 and compared to 110 cases in April 24.
[3:59] This batch calls 637. We've had a 1,221 self-initiated calls for service. Citations were 541. Traffic
[4:09] warning 732. Arrest at 64. Auto accidents we were 92. Accidents with injuries at 6. Hit and
[4:21] 8-0 hit and run with injuries and two persons hit by auto with injury.
[4:30] Any questions or comments?
[4:34] Thank you, Chief.
[4:34] Yes, sir.
[4:35] You're going to stay there.
[4:36] All right.
[4:37] So public works.
[4:39] We have an item 14A alpha as a resolution, the construction material testing services.
[4:45] Yes, sir.
[4:45] Good evening.
[4:46] Hey, Ricky.
[4:47] Thank you.
[4:48] The city had reached out to geo-hydro engineers to submit a proposal for the material testing
[4:56] for the public safety facility.
[5:01] This would be items such as the compassion testing for the soils, concrete testing,
[5:08] steel testing.
[5:09] Any of the materials that are going into the building, they'll be testing for integrity.
[5:12] Along with that, they'll be doing a third party testing on the erosion control measures and doing any reporting that needs to be done for the MPDES.
[5:24] So they had submitted a proposal for $57,981.60.
[5:33] So I am recommending approval of the proposal.
[5:38] questions, comments? Was that something that we should have been out? I thought
[5:45] above $25,000 we had to bid. Okay. So we used Geohydro
[5:55] consistently for our
[5:57] soils testing and our material testing. So the proposal was just a request
[6:03] that we had made for them to submit to us. They are local, they're very
[6:08] response or so that if it, a drop of a hat, we needed them to come out and look at something,
[6:15] they have always been very responsive. Well, I mean, I understand that.
[6:20] Geohydro has been around for years, highly respected. But I thought that the city purchasing
[6:27] policy of anything over 25,000 had to be bid. I would have to go back and look. There is a
[6:37] threshold yes I'm not I would have to go back and look sure you're doing
[6:44] multiple tests you can break it down concrete steel soil every concrete
[6:53] We have to do separate tasks, so it's just the one that's better.
[6:58] That's swinging around, correct?
[7:01] Exactly.
[7:02] I'm not good with that.
[7:05] We're not either.
[7:06] So, yeah, but Ricky, if you do ever look into that,
[7:11] make sure that we can do that under our current ordinance.
[7:16] And it'll stay where it is.
[7:21] And then you want to surplus some city vehicles
[7:23] and equipment?
[7:24] Yes, sir. These are two items that didn't make it on the list that I presented last month.
[7:31] There is a side-by-side for park and rec and a board of 50 of public works that both are in need of being surplus.
[7:43] The side-by-side, I think, is to the point that it probably will not be advertised as a surplus. It will probably be scrapped.
[7:49] any questions? I'd like to move that to consent. Item B is consent. Thank you. And then Madeline,
[8:01] could you use yourself on this?
[8:06] And well actually hold on. I'd like to postpone this until the
[8:14] end of the meeting we need to need to vote on that so have a don't you don't
[8:21] have to vote look for a motion to postpone item C Charlie to the end of
[8:30] the meeting okay all those in favor or we have a second I take that as a second
[8:35] all those in favor for those opposed no and Madeline refused yourself okay
[8:42] Madeline, you're back in. So we'll talk about it at the end. Thank you.
[8:47] Go to D.
[8:48] You go to D and it's the framework agreement with Cobb County.
[8:53] Yes, so the city had applied for and received a $2 million grant through the congressional appropriations.
[9:01] That $2 million was funneled through GDOT into Cobb DOT.
[9:08] As part of the grant process, there is a requirement for PDP, which we cannot do, Cobb County can do.
[9:21] So this framework, what it does is it sets up an agreement for the county to oversee and communicate back to the state level
[9:34] for all of the requirements to satisfy the grant.
[9:39] Also mentioned in here is that
[9:42] there is a $500,000 match or 25% match that the city must provide as part of
[9:50] this grant to receive the grant, but the framework is just basically for the
[9:56] the county to provide the guidance that GDOT is requiring that we're
[10:02] able to fulfill. Okay, your questions or comments. I'd like to have item D go to
[10:09] consent as well. All right, and then the temporary item E echoes the temporary
[10:16] construction easement and bank protection easement. Yes, so those of you who were
[10:23] on council several years ago,
[10:27] Cobb County and the Corps of Engineers were
[10:30] looking at doing multiple projects along the Butler Creek basin to either do
[10:38] stream bait mitigation, stream bait reinforcement, or creation of wetlands
[10:43] just to help with the amount of erosion that was taking place along Butler Creek.
[10:49] They have now come back with one project that they want to do. This
[10:55] property is the former community park at the end of White Oak port that now is
[11:03] just a city-owned property that has no park elements within it. Their intent is
[11:09] to do some bank restoration and stabilization along Butler Creek inside
[11:17] that park area. This construction easement would be something that they
[11:23] would require so that they could access through the properties that do the
[11:26] construction and then it would be an easement that they can permanently use
[11:32] to go back in and do maintenance along the reinforcement of the banks.
[11:43] How temporary is temporary? Just during the construction time frame they haven't
[11:50] given me the time frame on it. Most stabilization is either something very
[11:57] similar or simple as riprap or it could be the strap timbers to the banks.
[12:05] So it's not going to be a long-term construction.
[12:08] I would say six to eight months would be plenty of time, but they haven't given me that for
[12:12] sure.
[12:12] Very good.
[12:13] All right.
[12:16] Consent?
[12:17] Consent.
[12:18] Thank you.
[12:19] Thank you very much.
[12:20] Now we have a discussion only accessory dwelling unit and I want to, if you don't mind, I want to say that this discussion, it is discussion only and we're going to stick with the family member piece of it.
[12:39] We're not going to get into the commercial aspect of it.
[12:42] I'll be happy to kind of leave that to you.
[12:45] That because if it gets in the commercial aspect,
[12:48] we do have a council member that would have to recuse herself.
[12:52] So we want to look at the family dwelling,
[12:56] accessory dwelling unit that way.
[12:58] Thank you, Mayor, for that preamble.
[13:00] And I will add to that that this proposal was based on two things,
[13:07] on inquiries from the public since 2024,
[13:10] as well as interaction with members of council, looking for us to explore alternative housing options,
[13:21] specifically for family members or extended family members in the same household on the property.
[13:27] So that was our charge. That was what we were asked to do.
[13:30] We took some time to do our research, both with other agencies, other jurisdictions that have adopted ADU ordinances, as well as
[13:40] farm marshals and first responders to get the impacts of having these types of additional dwelling units on the property.
[13:49] So, with all of that information, we did draft a rough draft of what we thought would be
[14:00] something we could discuss.
[14:02] Our goal tonight is to get your feedback, to get your temperature on if you think this
[14:08] is something worthy to explore further or not.
[14:12] I'll also recommend that if it's something that you wish for us to explore further,
[14:19] staff would recommend that we would host additional town hall meetings and get feedback from the public.
[14:27] And then bring that back to Marin Council if you feel that this is something you wish for us to explore further.
[14:33] We want to make sure that everyone is educated on what ADUs are, what the implications are,
[14:39] What are some of the recommendations from your constituents and some of the property owners
[14:43] in the encounter saw and give them an opportunity to ask questions directly from staff in a
[14:49] town hall meeting format.
[14:52] Now, we've prepared a very comprehensive PowerPoint presentation for you this evening and it kind
[14:59] highlights.
[15:00] All of the main points of the ordinance. And then after, if you don't mind, we'd like to hold
[15:05] the questions, which I'm sure there will be many. Of course, the end, and then we'll be happy to
[15:10] go through a Q&A with everyone. So with that, I will have our city planner,
[15:15] Chanel Campbell, come up, and she will walk through the PowerPoint, and then we'll get
[15:20] to the fun part, which is Q&A. Thank you, Daryl.
[15:29] Good evening, Mayor and Council. How are
[15:32] So as Zoning Administrator Simmons stated, this is just to provide an update on the proposal for ADUs.
[15:40] As shown on the screen, ADUs are small independent residential units located on the same lot as the residential, the primary residents.
[15:50] The intent of the ordinance, as he stated, is to expand housing options for families such as seniors who prefer to remain close to loved ones
[15:58] or individuals with special needs who need their own place but want to stay close to
[16:04] support.
[16:05] The proposal does not permit short-term rentals at this time due to concerns including neighborhood
[16:11] impact for increased traffic, parking conditions, and disturbance for frequent guest turnover
[16:17] and potential enforcement challenges.
[16:20] The ordinance will allow ADU in R15, R20, R30, and R40.
[16:26] So
[16:30] staff had, again, run an analysis on the suitable zoning districts and what we found
[16:36] was that our 15, our 20, our 30, and our 40 were the most compatible ensuring existing
[16:43] residential development.
[16:45] Staff also evaluated the potential impacts based on fire department accessibility and
[16:51] requirements, compliance with building safety codes, minimization of effects on neighboring
[16:57] properties and found that these residential districts were the most appropriate.
[17:04] This is
[17:05] just the overview of a couple of the main points of the ADU ordinance. As you can see,
[17:10] only one ADU will be allowed per lot. There will be a minimum setback of 10 feet from the rear
[17:16] and the side. Only we'll be requesting one additional off-street parking for the ADU
[17:22] and the process will require the application to be reviewed and approved by Marin Council
[17:27] through the land use permit process.
[17:35] Concerning potential strain on utilities and infrastructure, staff had GIS run a scenario
[17:41] with an illustration.
[17:43] And because of these, these were some buffer suggestions that came up.
[17:46] So staff has suggest, based on the information that was provided, staff has a buffer of
[17:51] $250,000, $501,000.
[17:54] At the end, the staff has left the decision on the buffer requirements to merit council's
[17:59] discretion.
[17:59] So based on the buffer that determines or it facilitates the number of ADU in the area.
[18:08] So this is not the entire city map, but just an area.
[18:10] I believe the entire city map was included in your packet if you want to see more details.
[18:18] As Daryl already stated, the next step in the process will include town hall meetings.
[18:23] Our goal is to make sure that this aligns with the community needs,
[18:26] as well as the comprehensive plan goals.
[18:28] Additionally, public notice requirements must be considered.
[18:32] During our review and our conversations with legal, we were advised of recent updates to
[18:41] the House bill and the Georgia zoning procedures.
[18:44] Legal is online.
[18:45] He will be able to expand and answer any questions or clarify any concerns that you
[18:50] might have pertaining to these requirements.
[18:52] But that is something that needs to be taken into consideration should we move forward
[18:56] with adopting this text amendment. Also, once all these concerns have been addressed and necessary
[19:03] adjustment made based on the suggestion and feedback we received from both Mayor and Council
[19:08] and the public, we will bring back the final ordinance for adoption before the Board.
[19:13] That concludes this presentation and we are here for questions.
[19:17] Very precise. All right. Well, who wants to Anthony?
[19:24] Yes. So I had a question. My main concern was item 16 about the potential buffers between.
[19:33] Uh, so I understand that we already have set back rules, 10 feet on the neighboring property. So that means if.
[19:42] two ADUs to be built next to each other, there'd be at least 20B already.
[19:47] So it seems like that's already a counter-court.
[19:50] You said the other reason for that would be in affecting our utilities.
[19:58] If we're talking realistically, ADUs are probably only going to be added a dozen or so every year or two.
[20:05] So I don't believe that would cause such a strain to our utilities to where we would need
[20:11] to have buffers.
[20:13] I guess we're expecting a very large amount.
[20:16] I mean, we don't know right now and no one can really predict the future.
[20:20] However, again, staff is concerned about the infrastructure if everyone within a subdivision
[20:27] has an ADU.
[20:28] What would that look like?
[20:29] And so because of that, we have this additional buffer that could limit, that would potentially
[20:35] limit the number of ADU to be concentrated within one area.
[20:43] It would be further limited though, because there's a restriction on being close to the
[20:47] fire hydrant.
[20:49] There's the setback.
[20:51] I'm not sure if the buffers are a little bit redone, but it does overall very well
[20:56] written, very well preserved.
[20:59] That's made sense and that's something that we'll take additional look at.
[21:03] You had a question. Yeah.
[21:12] It's correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems like the intent of that is to limit the number overall.
[21:21] That's correct.
[21:26] Looking at the map of what that would look like at the.
[21:29] Let's look at the 250.
[21:33] That looks like a lot of ADUs that I don't think that, even without the buffer requirement,
[21:38] I don't see that many, but I do think that there is a lot of potential for our neighbors
[21:46] in some incidents to both want, desire to build an ADU, in which case they would not
[21:55] be allowed.
[21:56] That's correct.
[21:58] In the picture, I think on average it's at least three houses in between, just from looking at what's done.
[22:09] On the 250?
[22:10] Yeah.
[22:11] The lowest?
[22:12] Yeah.
[22:13] So it's around three to four houses in between.
[22:16] Mm-hmm.
[22:17] To me, I just think we're setting ourselves up for some angry makers today.
[22:24] Again, this is at the discretion of mayor and council. This was just put in place again to ensure that we are not taken away from the existing neighborhood with the overabundance of ADUs.
[22:38] However, if mayor and council has an other alternative staff will be willing to research that as well.
[22:46] Did you have another question on language in the way 12, the way 12 is written?
[22:54] I do. Could you just get some clarification on number 12?
[23:01] The units must not be rented separately or utilized as a short-term rental.
[23:05] Definitely not in the short term, but separately, you're only going to be able to rent one piece, right?
[23:11] The owner has to live in one piece.
[23:12] So, there's no short-term rental at any point, right, right, which we, right. So, but you could rent, like, you could, I could live in my house and rent my ADU. No. Okay.
[23:26] And that, that piece number 12 specifically, that's the section that I have been advised and will disqualify myself.
[23:36] Okay, so I just wanted you to bring that up.
[23:39] that you could. But when we were planning, you know, we're looking at buffers and we're
[23:49] looking, it's not the number that we have. It's the number that we could potentially
[23:56] have that we plan for. And the aging infrastructure, you know, the electric, the plumbing, you
[24:03] know, the sewer and drain, that's what we have to the worst case scenario.
[24:08] We designed for the worst case scenario, everyone went to jump on board.
[24:14] What would that look like as far as fire protection infrastructure because, let's say we didn't
[24:22] have a buffer and let's say it was a concentration of aid and use, that's more toilets, it may
[24:28] trigger from the top of the water that we talked about, high capacity and that's expensive.
[24:34] And so that's an impact to the city.
[24:36] So, we have to look at how we can offer housing alternative without over burdening the aging
[24:45] infrastructure.
[24:46] So, we have to look at all those things collectively, and I'm not saying that this is a be able
[24:51] to end all.
[24:52] We're just saying this is something we need to consider if you want changes, we're
[24:57] happy to do so, but our thinking was all of the other agencies that will be involved
[25:03] If something bad, right? Okay. So, yeah, no, I was going to say sounds like we want you to do the council want you to go in and gather more data and do town halls if that's what I'm here.
[25:23] So one recommendation I could see potentially working, the issue you all are trying to highlight
[25:32] and prevent from happening is if too much is built too quickly, we could potentially do a tier system
[25:39] where there's a set amount of permits that once they have been gone through,
[25:45] we take some time to do some studies, see how much it's affecting our infrastructure utilities.
[25:50] If we can continue, add a second round of permits. If not, stop it there.
[25:56] We could do that. I mean, that's similar to what cities do with short-term rentals.
[26:02] They would have a cap, say, okay, after 100, I'm just using an example.
[26:08] Stop and see how it's absorbed, how it's affecting the city or the county, and then we could decide how we would take it.
[26:14] So if you want to do, you can do that. Say we'll put a cap and see how that works, you know, on the, you know, best case scenario will be under as far as number of applications are received when you'll have a cap.
[26:31] And then you can say, okay, after this, let's see how that's working. We can look into that.
[26:39] Yes, sir.
[26:40] This is possible.
[26:41] Can you go to that thing?
[26:42] Is the slide before us, you hear?
[26:45] Two more back.
[26:47] Yeah, the right here, perfect.
[26:48] So what is preventing the R10s and the townhomes from utilizing,
[26:55] I guess, 80 years?
[26:56] Very dangerous.
[26:57] I mean, very clear.
[26:59] We do not promote,
[27:06] you know,
[27:06] of our discussions with the first responders, especially the found homes, and OCR, and the
[27:14] R10, on average, the loss of very small, 10,000 square feet.
[27:19] It'd be hard to meet the setbacks, anyway.
[27:21] It won't be functioned, though, so that's basically it.
[27:28] So did the fire department give you any reasons as to why the town homes are the R10s
[27:33] as far as, is it because there's no role behind them?
[27:35] No, it's accessibility. So first responders, they're not able to go through other property owners in order to access your property if there's an emergency.
[27:44] But the other lot, there is alternative access point. And so that was the feedback that we received from their department.
[27:50] And in terms of the setbacks, instead of, for instance, if you want to do a storage shed, it's likely, but because this is someone living there and first responders are going to go there to rescue lives in the building, you've got to get around the building.
[28:07] That's why I recommend having 10 feet so they can actually fight the fire or whatever happens. That's why the additional setback is too.
[28:15] So if there's an R10 property that has like a road behind it, is there any, I would say, where they can pretty much it's taken that pill it to the councils, if they build their property could potentially meet the requirements.
[28:32] Well, like, you know, all of this, there's the variance application.
[28:37] We can make that case in American hospitals.
[28:39] Yeah.
[28:40] As someone that's been working in patient transportation with gurneys and wheelchairs,
[28:46] stairmasters, everything, it's just doesn't.
[28:49] That's not going to work.
[28:51] There's just not enough space and going over rough terrain like brass, lawn,
[28:56] hills, there's so much prevention you have to do when it comes with
[29:01] working with the patient, that it's just not what they want.
[29:06] You have to keep in your account that other structures
[29:09] are set up on the proper limits.
[29:13] Play area of swings, you have to navigate around that.
[29:16] So having a large lot helps decrease the problems
[29:21] of getting to see that in you in a timely fashion.
[29:25] Good, sir.
[29:26] Now, I was a former volunteer firefighter myself.
[29:29] So, usually when that happens, we have different apparatus that we can bring out.
[29:35] We can bring a tower out and things like that if there's a matter of fire and things like that.
[29:38] Is that any concerns? And have we addressed anything with the county as far as the 500 feet from a fire hydrant?
[29:45] Have we talked to them as far as updating our infrastructure when it comes to fire hydrants?
[29:51] anything else. That's why we did a scenario. If we said we had a set number and we wanted
[29:59] And I will see you next time.
[30:01] We have to run the scenarios saying what does that look like? Then we can take that.
[30:07] The department says, do you see an issue that's triggering? But this is all speculative.
[30:13] Okay.
[30:14] That's why we're here to talk about it. If you think that we should look at reducing the
[30:19] buffer, give us an opportunity to run the scenario and bring it back and say this is what
[30:24] 100 feet looks like, this is a 50 feet looks like, and then we can take that and have a discussion with the fire department.
[30:32] And they may say, okay, based on this scenario, it may change the requirement for the fire department.
[30:38] Yes, sir.
[30:39] So it's all depending on, you know, what happened to the fire department or sorry, did we get any discussion with the different agencies?
[30:47] The tip, he said, is that from the frontage of the road or the property line itself?
[30:52] Yes, sir.
[30:52] From the rear, rear property line and side block.
[30:55] Okay.
[30:55] Because A user will be located in the back.
[30:58] Not the front.
[30:59] So they have a row in the backup.
[31:01] Does it start with the frontage of the row or does it start with the problem line as far as the setback?
[31:06] The setback is connected from the property line.
[31:08] From the problem line.
[31:08] Okay.
[31:09] Yes, sir.
[31:10] Thank you.
[31:10] Is that in line with the setbacks that already exist from the primary structure as well?
[31:17] No.
[31:21] So different zoning districts have different setback requirements, but this would be overall
[31:25] for ADU.
[31:31] I'm going to encourage that, you know, I want everybody to speak up.
[31:36] I mean, I kind of see this as a ongoing process.
[31:39] I appreciate the idea about the town halls and all that, the feedback I've gotten
[31:44] from people I know here in the city they're very against that they said I
[31:50] have bought into a single family neighborhood now you want to come in
[31:54] adding the additional buildings and so on and so forth and you can read them
[32:00] out a lot of people I'll talk to fills that it will add instability to our
[32:07] community.
[32:10] What I would ask everybody here tonight to do is a vision. Think about what
[32:17] you want Kennesaw to look like five years, ten years, twenty years from now. Do some research.
[32:25] I don't know if any of you have priced these buildings out. You've actually looked at the
[32:31] spent you know Madeline those first hand want any of the building to the back of
[32:37] the property cost of building constructions under 50 to 200 bucks per
[32:43] square foot currently and that doesn't include the grading of the foundation
[32:50] paying the electrician paying the plumber I mean that these things get
[32:55] real expensive real fast you know the one thing I keep hearing this oh we need
[33:02] this this is cheap way to you know have a place for people to stay where you're
[33:08] being a defrauded on them so so I would urge everybody here this research I find
[33:17] out what it's like here in the real world the one other thing I would like
[33:22] for all of you to think about.
[33:25] Cobb County Commissioners, they are well known for wanting more density in the county for
[33:34] property taxes in the county of the chairman in particular, wants to see Cobb County more
[33:44] urbanized, i.e., more like city of Atlanta.
[33:48] I think it's noteworthy that the Com Commissioner said no to ADUs.
[33:56] Well, I think that ought to tell you guys something about the way the community sees it and the value.
[34:04] So I would definitely urge you guys to do your research, do your vision and just don't take one or two people's words
[34:15] that this is a great policy and it's going to solve all the housing problems, blah, blah, blah.
[34:24] That's my comments. Thanks, Mary.
[34:27] I can just kind of comment on that. One of the issues you said that many people would be against it
[34:34] is because it would create too much density while also saying that it's expensive to build
[34:40] which would prevent a lot of people from building it.
[34:43] So really it's not creating a density problem.
[34:47] My thing is, so as a property owner, you can still serve as a general contractor
[34:53] appointed to build a structure, correct?
[34:55] Like you will put a permit for your policy thing so that you can still serve as a general contractor?
[35:00] And I'll have our billing inspection.
[35:04] They can clarify that.
[35:06] Okay.
[35:06] But one of the things that we struggle with when we put them together,
[35:09] kind of in addition is enforcement and we understand that you know the expense is going
[35:18] to be and I'm just going to put it out there. There's going to be a temptation for rent because
[35:24] people want to recoup some of the money that's going to happen and that is where that's
[35:29] where it's going to be difficult. That's why we recommend the land use permits because
[35:34] that will require renewal and also require annual inspections to make sure that they're
[35:39] doing what they're supposed to do because if you look at just the poor zoning district,
[35:46] that's a lot of housing in that area to look at. And if you reduce the buffer, that's more
[35:53] homes that we have to document and inspect. This after the additional burden from your staff,
[36:01] not just for the commercial inspections, now we basically have to chase out all the residential
[36:09] inspections, make sure that no one is running out or causing a problem. I also wish out to
[36:15] call tax assessors and get over the last couple of years about this. And they're struggling
[36:22] But the fact that if you have a home and they're maximizing their tax exemption, you know, that whole state exemption and all that, and then they're trying to have a full profit enterprise on that city property.
[36:39] That's causing that can cost. And so that brings in a lot of issues for the county as well as say, how do we put that, how do we straighten that out?
[36:50] So you open that door and that's going to be very clear that this should be very clear.
[36:57] There's no rental allowed at all because it opens a lot of Pandora box.
[37:02] Issues that we are not prepared to deal with.
[37:06] So again, we're looking for your feedback.
[37:09] If you wish for us to give us some things to explore, would we have to do so?
[37:14] Bring back what we had and then we have to do the time at home meetings.
[37:20] and get more feedback from the situers and show you what they say.
[37:26] I love the idea of town halls. I'm going to speak about the town halls.
[37:31] Yeah, we all see.
[37:33] I had one question. You mentioned Cobb County not voting on it.
[37:41] It's my understanding still that Marietta and Acworth allow them.
[37:46] They have more that does allow them similar to what we're proposing. Well, is that the same structure?
[37:56] Every every say every jurisdiction have their own specific concerns that somebody tailored to their concerns.
[38:05] All I was concerned was, again, infrastructure and the character of the neighborhoods and of course, of course, Marietta, I mean, I have that much, we have a larger force to have a larger budget.
[38:22] You have a lot of things that we can do to offset that challenge. I'm not sure what accurate I was thinking out.
[38:30] But I know what our staff capabilities are with us.
[38:34] So that's why we kind of, that help guide the parameters
[38:37] of what we can handle in the future.
[38:41] It's all pregnant.
[38:41] It could be, like I said, it could be 10 at the end
[38:44] over the next year or two, but we just haven't done it.
[38:48] So we got to prepare for the first.
[38:49] One safe part though is making sure
[38:51] the property owner lives there.
[38:53] We don't want one of these corporate rental companies
[38:56] to start putting them in every backyarder
[38:58] coming up with a second load of money.
[39:02] That's why it took so long to get our legal team, we all looked at this and what about that.
[39:08] So we understand that there will be those who are going to try and challenge this or try to find a loophole.
[39:16] So like any other ordinance, we're going to look at it and then react.
[39:20] And I think you did a great job with the presentation. It was just long enough.
[39:25] No, no, thank you very much. That was your job.
[39:29] You may want to have a way in.
[39:32] Yes, and he is here.
[39:35] But I think from what I've heard is you want them to pursue the town hall.
[39:43] Answering some of the additional questions.
[39:46] Do you want us to run scenarios on your lower.
[39:50] Well, for area where you want these three areas are enough. We want us to expect. I think this is the starting. This is the starting point. You keep what you presented. We appreciate your professional advice and this, this should be it.
[40:06] I would like a lower buffer. I would like a lower buffer.
[40:11] I kind of like the tiered idea. Yeah.
[40:14] Okay, so you have a yes, okay.
[40:18] Hey, Brett, welcome to our meeting.
[40:21] Yes, thank you.
[40:22] I apologize.
[40:23] Can you hear me button for you?
[40:28] Yeah, my phone actually overheated.
[40:31] It was sitting in the sun and finally decided to go as a skew.
[40:37] There were a couple of questions that I wanted to make sure that each of the
[40:42] group was certainly aware of. One would be that there are specific provisions
[40:48] that would limit and probably not allow these in most of your subdivisions
[40:54] because of covenants that exist within those subdivisions. So my guess would be
[41:01] a lot of your R15, a lot of your R20 would not allow it. The other question
[41:06] is certainly with your R40s and R30s, some of those may still have, they may not be connected to sewer.
[41:15] So there could be certain homes that that could be a problem and you may need to talk to the health
[41:21] department to visit with them. The next item deals with the existing state law would require you
[41:31] to perhaps post a sign every 500 feet throughout the city.
[41:37] The reason for that is there was some poor draftsmanship
[41:41] at the legislature a few years ago
[41:45] when they were dealing with the city of Atlanta
[41:47] doing a lot of this, dealing in the area of multifamily.
[41:51] And that's under OCGA 3666-4.
[41:56] That law has now been changed
[42:00] by the legislature so that you can adopt an amendment.
[42:06] However, the governor has not signed that bill because it was –
[42:10] there were about four different bills that were all attached to each other.
[42:14] They call them vehicles.
[42:16] And we don't know whether or not the governor will sign.
[42:19] It was House Bill 155, if any of you have an interest.
[42:23] And it's under Section 2 of that bill,
[42:27] which would clean up the problem. I know other cities have adopted text amendments
[42:34] with respect to that. The fact that they've amended the bill to try to clean
[42:39] that up to me illustrates how that would have been problematic and somebody
[42:45] could potentially strike down what they've done. So those were the couple
[42:49] of items that I just wanted to add. I'm happy to answer any other questions
[42:53] that you may have.
[42:56] Well, thank you, Fred.
[42:57] I appreciate it.
[42:58] Are there any questions for Mr. Spinner?
[43:00] No, I think we're good.
[43:02] I think, you know, and Darryl, they didn't.
[43:05] And they're going to keep the ball rolling.
[43:07] So thank you very much for being with us.
[43:12] All right,
[43:18] public comments.
[43:19] Four is open.
[43:24] Hearing none and seeing none, the floor for public comment
[43:27] is closed.
[43:29] You want to go ahead and thanks for being here,
[43:32] Martin. Good to be here. I have nothing to add, Mayor. Nothing to add.
[43:42] No, we're going to close it
[43:44] out and then we're going to go into executive and then come back out. So I think we can do that
[43:50] because if people don't want to stay,
[43:54] you go first.
[43:57] We know nature updates this week,
[44:01] just really trying to push through this last little section of my EMT training,
[44:05] just made it all my final reports and fingers crossed with the next day I get
[44:08] that check mark just said I finished the course and I can take a test. Antonio?
[44:14] I just want to say I'm happy Mother's Day to all the mothers out there to my wife.
[44:19] You be shocking me Mother's Day when it's time to give gifts out and then you start
[44:23] looking at your bank account later like whoa we're all in Monday. So thank you
[44:26] Mary, but Mother's Day to all the mothers. Natalie?
[44:28] How's your mother's day?
[44:32] Back to go to the Kyle Brock's funeral show at the Civic Center.
[44:36] That was fun.
[44:36] Got some cool rocks.
[44:38] Is that it?
[44:40] Yeah.
[44:42] Well, of course, big weekend coming up, the camp bell, the movies.
[44:46] So lots going on.
[44:48] We'll get trail this weekend.
[44:50] And in the past, we've had some just really excellent turnout.
[44:55] Lots of people going out there.
[44:57] So, I'll be curious to see.
[45:00] Right now, the weather is, you know.
[45:04] Yeah, they're saying it's the wettest May in, in a 15 or 20 year history.
[45:09] Yeah, so that's, I'm sure Jeff and Barty and everybody's going to have their hands full, getting closer this weekend on whether or not to keep going. So that's it, Mayor, thank you.
[45:22] They've seen these people.
[45:24] It's been time for summer.
[45:26] As Pat said, the camp out is this weekend,
[45:28] and the movie is The Parent Draft.
[45:30] The splash pad opens on May 26.
[45:33] Woo.
[45:34] That's pretty cool.
[45:35] And then a program that maybe not a lot of people know about,
[45:39] but I think it's pretty cool that we offer is a senior luncheon.
[45:42] We do it six times a year, three times, I guess, in the spring
[45:45] and three times in the fall.
[45:47] And we had 127 participants this last time.
[45:51] There's some dates coming up in the fall of September 3rd,
[45:54] October 5th, and November 5th.
[45:55] I think you can find out about it at Parks and Recs.
[45:58] Thank you.
[46:02] All right. We're going to go into executive session for land,
[46:06] and we will be back if you decide not to stay.
[46:10] Thank you for being here and participating.
[46:14] You're here, and we'll close out the meeting then.
[46:16] I move that this Mayor and Council now enter the closed session as allowed by OCGA 50142 and 50143B pursuant to advice by the city attorney for the purpose of discussing land.
[46:29] Second.
[46:30] All those in favor.
[46:30] Number four, post-nil, someone has recused herself.
[46:35] Oh, no, I'm back.
[46:44] I'm not in.
[46:46] I'm not in.
[46:49] I'm in.
[46:52] I
[53:05] moved at this body in open session, direct the presiding officer to execute an affidavit
[53:10] in compliance with OCGA 5014-4, and that this body ratifies the actions of the council
[53:16] will take any closed session and confirm the subject matter to the closed session within
[53:20] expectations permitted by the Open Meetings Law.
[53:23] All in favor?
[53:25] All right.
[53:26] And they were closed 4-0 and 1-reduced.
[53:30] All right.
[53:34] The last item was, let me postpone, was the abandonment of the right-of-way at 2995
[53:47] Main Street.
[53:50] And, okay, we just don't participate in the discussion and she sit silently.
[53:57] That's fine. Okay, no need. It's 2,995 and 2,997. That is the consideration for the resolution and we have pending continued negotiations, Ricky, if you would take that with you.
[54:17] So, we'll leave it where it is on the agenda and we'll wait for you to report back to us
[54:24] before we take any action.
[54:26] Great.
[54:28] All right.
[54:28] Thank you.
[54:29] Do you have anything that you need to say for us?
[54:33] Okay.
[54:33] Does that clarify it for you?
[54:36] We're just going to leave it where it is and he's going to report back to us.
[54:39] All right.
[54:40] Well, without any further business, this meeting is adjourned at 7.25 p.m.
[54:46] Thank you for being here. Good night and God bless safe journey home.