1 00:00:02,030 --> 00:00:30,030 Call the order of city plank and mission being for Thursday, May 7, 2026, roll call, please. Mayor Lehman Padala. Here. All the person down on the roll call. All the person here. Call the order. Commissioner Chris Fininger. Here. Commissioner Mark Bauer. Here. Commissioner Alex Panelli. Here. Commissioner Michael Foster. Here. Commissioner Mitchell Peterson. Here. Commissioner Vincent Russell. Here. Let the record reflect the form is present. 2 00:00:30,030 --> 00:00:38,730 and gentlemen from the first and excuse and gentlemen from the 16th will be here momentarily. 3 00:00:40,050 --> 00:00:42,230 At this time we'll open up to citizen comments. 4 00:00:42,510 --> 00:00:47,250 There will be public hearing on each item, but if there are any citizen comments related 5 00:00:47,250 --> 00:00:49,030 to the City of Plenty, you can speak now as well. 6 00:00:50,030 --> 00:00:52,050 Any citizen comments here to speak? 7 00:00:52,770 --> 00:00:53,710 Any citizen comments? 8 00:00:54,150 --> 00:00:55,570 Any citizen that's saying none? 9 00:00:56,750 --> 00:00:57,890 Close to public hearing. 10 00:00:58,930 --> 00:00:59,770 Approval amendments. 11 00:00:59,770 --> 00:01:02,290 That's a meeting out April 9th, 2026. 12 00:01:03,730 --> 00:01:04,910 So a little second. 13 00:01:05,650 --> 00:01:07,530 Let's remove the second and change your questions. 14 00:01:07,990 --> 00:01:09,550 Seeing none, all of us in favor say aye. 15 00:01:09,910 --> 00:01:10,010 Aye. 16 00:01:10,570 --> 00:01:10,970 Any opposed? 17 00:01:11,970 --> 00:01:12,710 Chair votes aye. 18 00:01:12,990 --> 00:01:13,350 I don't know. 19 00:01:13,750 --> 00:01:13,890 One. 20 00:01:16,000 --> 00:01:18,840 Item number one, conditionally used permit for a tattoo 21 00:01:18,840 --> 00:01:22,240 establishment located at 60, 17 Sharon enrolled. 22 00:01:22,980 --> 00:01:26,080 Rental grade tattoo, just three public hearing recommendations. 23 00:01:26,640 --> 00:01:29,700 That recommendation is made to approve a conditionally used permit 24 00:01:29,700 --> 00:01:32,120 subject to the attached condition of the people. 25 00:01:33,160 --> 00:01:35,180 At this time, we'll go up to a public hearing. 26 00:01:35,580 --> 00:01:37,280 Any of you here are speaking at number one. 27 00:01:37,460 --> 00:01:39,360 Please give us your name and home address for the right. 28 00:01:39,880 --> 00:01:41,560 Good evening, Eric Repka. 29 00:01:42,000 --> 00:01:44,920 Home address is 4506, Good Navi. 30 00:01:46,980 --> 00:01:50,080 Here applying for additionally department 31 00:01:50,080 --> 00:01:52,240 for retrograde to the studio. 32 00:01:52,240 --> 00:02:00,780 So the goal is welcoming, serene, professional setting. 33 00:02:03,060 --> 00:02:07,740 Tetsu will be just one of the things happening in there. 34 00:02:08,060 --> 00:02:13,740 We've taken clients for my business partners, for her clients. 35 00:02:14,200 --> 00:02:18,000 And as a secondary workspace for my other two businesses, 36 00:02:21,380 --> 00:02:27,560 I am waiting for only, so there won't be groups later in, there's situations happening 37 00:02:28,700 --> 00:02:38,560 as well as spaces total and up for the businesses there and residential that are on the 38 00:02:42,320 --> 00:02:49,720 I have to just wait to pick up all you have to do, that take care of personally, and 39 00:02:52,350 --> 00:03:00,390 I'm collaborating with some local businesses, such as QR codes for coffee shops, 40 00:03:02,230 --> 00:03:11,350 for local restaurants, that means that nature, pretty straight forward, it's a professional 41 00:03:11,350 --> 00:03:12,310 setting. 42 00:03:14,030 --> 00:03:15,990 So what I want to know is, 43 00:03:19,100 --> 00:03:20,900 are there any questions from the commission? 44 00:03:21,200 --> 00:03:22,020 We'll call you back up. 45 00:03:22,240 --> 00:03:22,480 That's okay. 46 00:03:22,940 --> 00:03:23,320 That's good. 47 00:03:23,620 --> 00:03:23,820 Thank you. 48 00:03:24,720 --> 00:03:26,300 Anyone else in the line number one? 49 00:03:29,210 --> 00:03:35,230 Young me Husky 416, 71st Street, all the men of the district in which this establishment 50 00:03:35,230 --> 00:03:40,250 is looking to establish itself, not used to looking at this from this perspective. 51 00:03:40,870 --> 00:03:47,030 But anyway, I talked to him at late, he's gone over his business plans, he seems to be 52 00:03:47,030 --> 00:03:48,550 very, very sincere in how he does. 53 00:03:49,130 --> 00:03:55,490 The building that he has picked out seems like an ideal location for this kind of an establishment. 54 00:03:55,490 --> 00:04:04,330 And so I wholeheartedly recommend the commission approve this subject to the conditions listed. 55 00:04:04,970 --> 00:04:11,750 I gave him a number of the possibilities and conditions that he would be asked to fulfill. 56 00:04:12,470 --> 00:04:17,690 When we met, knowing his commission well and knowing the kind of things that you like to ask, 57 00:04:18,030 --> 00:04:20,230 I kind of gave him a heads up on all that stuff. 58 00:04:20,230 --> 00:04:34,070 and his answer is to me we're very satisfactory and he is, I think, going to be a very good tenant at this building and I hope that you grant this, if you just want to use permanent approval. Thank you. 59 00:04:34,530 --> 00:04:34,990 Thank you, sir. 60 00:04:35,810 --> 00:04:41,390 Anyone else on item number one? Anyone else? Anyone else seeing none? Close public hearing staff. 61 00:04:41,390 --> 00:04:46,010 We are recommending approval of its subject to the NOAA conditions. 62 00:04:46,390 --> 00:04:50,870 The plan commission's action is to provide a recommendation to the Council, 63 00:04:51,130 --> 00:04:55,210 which would then make the final decision on this. 64 00:04:56,470 --> 00:04:56,870 Thank you, sir. 65 00:04:58,150 --> 00:04:58,690 Commissioners. 66 00:05:00,940 --> 00:05:01,680 The move is approved. 67 00:05:05,050 --> 00:05:06,170 The move deserves second. 68 00:05:06,390 --> 00:05:06,610 Second. 69 00:05:07,030 --> 00:05:07,610 Move the second. 70 00:05:07,870 --> 00:05:08,290 Commissioners. 71 00:05:08,550 --> 00:05:09,230 I have a question. 72 00:05:10,070 --> 00:05:20,270 You regard to the gentleman, I see that you have a 100 square feet away, I mean it's 73 00:05:20,270 --> 00:05:22,970 a lot of a linear feet away from another pet to a park. 74 00:05:23,390 --> 00:05:23,550 Correct. 75 00:05:25,330 --> 00:05:28,290 Is there another pet to us in the middle of the area? 76 00:05:29,590 --> 00:05:35,970 Not that I'm aware of, but I think it's 80 or maybe 80s and Sheridan Road. 77 00:05:37,670 --> 00:05:38,350 You own the building? 78 00:05:38,350 --> 00:05:41,890 I don't know, you can use Lisa at least, okay. 79 00:05:43,510 --> 00:05:50,770 In your state of ample parking, how many cars are there? 80 00:05:50,870 --> 00:05:55,150 Yeah, there's 12 or 13 spaces that are allocated 81 00:05:55,150 --> 00:05:57,950 or that business area. 82 00:05:58,890 --> 00:06:06,170 And there's probably six cars with the businesses 83 00:06:06,170 --> 00:06:07,250 is that people have worked there. 84 00:06:07,770 --> 00:06:11,550 So, if you operate the two parts on the past, 85 00:06:12,650 --> 00:06:15,530 sorry, if you operate it, it has two parts on the back. 86 00:06:15,590 --> 00:06:16,650 No, I've only worked in. 87 00:06:17,190 --> 00:06:17,730 Oh, excuse me. 88 00:06:17,770 --> 00:06:19,610 So you worked in that two parts on the back. 89 00:06:19,690 --> 00:06:20,030 Okay. 90 00:06:20,750 --> 00:06:21,890 All right, I don't know the question. 91 00:06:22,030 --> 00:06:22,350 Thank you. 92 00:06:24,850 --> 00:06:26,150 We're in the chair of the applicant. 93 00:06:26,610 --> 00:06:29,390 You mentioned in your presentation two other businesses. 94 00:06:30,110 --> 00:06:31,230 Could you tell us what those are? 95 00:06:31,890 --> 00:06:40,190 I have two apps that are digital software type applications so the rest of just be yourself 96 00:06:40,190 --> 00:06:41,150 doing business. 97 00:06:41,390 --> 00:06:47,070 And use the word personally as a related waste pickup. 98 00:06:47,610 --> 00:06:50,250 Are you planning on hiring a third party service? 99 00:06:50,590 --> 00:06:51,870 Yes, they're qualified for this. 100 00:06:52,450 --> 00:06:53,010 Thank you. 101 00:06:53,110 --> 00:06:54,130 I've got no further questions. 102 00:06:55,850 --> 00:06:56,830 Anywhere else? 103 00:06:56,830 --> 00:07:05,190 It's not motion on the floor is to approve all those in favor say aye in the post chair votes 104 00:07:05,190 --> 00:07:08,210 Thank you 105 00:07:08,210 --> 00:07:12,830 I have number two conditional use permit extension or 106 00:07:17,580 --> 00:07:26,640 1,201,029 square foot distribution facility located at one three three three three 38 street new lines 107 00:07:26,640 --> 00:07:29,060 WS district 16 recommendation 108 00:07:29,060 --> 00:07:36,880 Staff recommendation is made to approve the additional use of permanent extension, subject to the original original conditions of removal. 109 00:07:37,600 --> 00:07:43,180 If the sign will open up to a public hearing, then you may speak to 9-2, please come forward, stick to your new and address. 110 00:07:45,440 --> 00:07:51,620 Good evening, Brad Paulpert, Paul 575, New Line Drive, a public inquiry. 111 00:07:52,280 --> 00:07:54,820 Here are members ending 38th Street and New Line. 112 00:07:55,420 --> 00:07:58,260 Thank you for considering our request for extension. 113 00:07:59,080 --> 00:08:05,240 I don't think there's any secret that there is an assignment in the economy right now. 114 00:08:06,000 --> 00:08:11,440 So we've been looking at that and then we were able to extend a couple of places in 115 00:08:11,440 --> 00:08:17,560 our closing program properties that have put us in a position that right now were pretty 116 00:08:17,560 --> 00:08:23,960 well set and kind of need an extension here in order to just push this back a little bit. 117 00:08:23,960 --> 00:08:28,720 there's not going to be any thought at this point about any changes in the plan. 118 00:08:29,000 --> 00:08:32,060 What's going to prove and we're doing and ready to go to comment. 119 00:08:32,660 --> 00:08:34,800 We'll be able to continue on. 120 00:08:35,300 --> 00:08:38,420 Just to book the box or go to it. 121 00:08:38,420 --> 00:08:39,180 Thank you, sir. 122 00:08:40,480 --> 00:08:42,680 Anyone else from the public on item number two? 123 00:08:43,500 --> 00:08:45,020 Anyone else? Anyone else? 124 00:08:45,180 --> 00:08:46,880 I think those public can accept. 125 00:08:47,460 --> 00:08:50,460 As noted, they're asking for a 12-month extension. 126 00:08:50,460 --> 00:08:53,220 and we're in support of that plan commission. 127 00:08:53,420 --> 00:08:55,680 We would also be making a recommendation with this 128 00:08:55,680 --> 00:08:58,120 as the Common Councils, if I have any of those. 129 00:08:59,020 --> 00:08:59,560 Thank you, sir. 130 00:09:00,440 --> 00:09:00,820 All right. 131 00:09:02,080 --> 00:09:04,280 Yeah, this is in the wonderful 16th District, 132 00:09:04,440 --> 00:09:05,320 which I proudly represent. 133 00:09:05,580 --> 00:09:07,760 Brad and the U-line company has always been. 134 00:09:07,880 --> 00:09:08,460 Always been. 135 00:09:10,780 --> 00:09:11,660 Good communication. 136 00:09:11,880 --> 00:09:15,260 And Brad, you communicate with you, but a bit through the years. 137 00:09:16,540 --> 00:09:19,460 U-line is a blessing to have you on the same panel, 138 00:09:19,460 --> 00:09:24,520 and other properties in the city of Gnoshan in the 16th district. 139 00:09:25,240 --> 00:09:31,340 And with that said, I'd make a motion to grant the extension of the suffice. 140 00:09:32,680 --> 00:09:37,460 Moving to the second to grant the extension. Any discussion on motion? 141 00:09:38,760 --> 00:09:41,680 I'd like to say that you lined those things first class. 142 00:09:42,420 --> 00:09:46,900 I appreciate that. Thank you for being part of this great community of ours. 143 00:10:06,360 --> 00:10:18,480 I don't know, number three, conditionally used permit for a vehicle facility located at 1108-60th Street, Starline Motors, Final Theory District 2, Public Curien, Recommendation, Staff Recommendation is 144 00:10:18,480 --> 00:10:20,880 is made to improve the additional use permits subject 145 00:10:20,880 --> 00:10:22,580 to the attached conditions of the tool. 146 00:10:23,120 --> 00:10:25,060 At the time, we'll come to a public hearing. 147 00:10:25,380 --> 00:10:26,300 And you're here speaking. 148 00:10:26,480 --> 00:10:28,060 And item number three, please report with 149 00:10:28,060 --> 00:10:28,860 sit your name and address. 150 00:10:29,580 --> 00:10:29,800 Good evening. 151 00:10:30,660 --> 00:10:31,620 I'm glad to mind the deed. 152 00:10:32,060 --> 00:10:33,860 It's here to five five feet with regard 153 00:10:33,860 --> 00:10:35,000 to being given this, Council. 154 00:10:35,760 --> 00:10:39,340 And item the order for living in a six feet street. 155 00:10:41,970 --> 00:10:43,790 Anybody have any questions in there? 156 00:10:44,550 --> 00:10:44,890 Okay. 157 00:10:45,410 --> 00:10:46,570 We'll finish the public hearing. 158 00:10:46,730 --> 00:10:48,130 If there are some questions from the commission, 159 00:10:48,410 --> 00:10:48,830 we'll call you down. 160 00:10:51,650 --> 00:10:53,350 Anyone else at item number three? 161 00:10:53,770 --> 00:10:58,090 Anyone else? Anyone else in the close of public hearing staff? 162 00:10:59,110 --> 00:11:03,970 This is their final hearing and we would recommend a approval subject to the knowledge and condition. 163 00:11:05,250 --> 00:11:08,510 The last meeting, there were some questions raised on landscaping. 164 00:11:08,770 --> 00:11:15,490 They addressed those. They're going to get some additional landscaping along the front engine. 165 00:11:15,490 --> 00:11:18,870 And then there also be a installing a pencil on it and kind of a lot of that. 166 00:11:19,090 --> 00:11:21,870 So, would you recommend approval of any notice conditions? 167 00:11:22,590 --> 00:11:23,170 Thank you, sir. 168 00:11:24,230 --> 00:11:30,090 I'll just add, before I open it up, I did have a chance to speak with all the person's 169 00:11:30,090 --> 00:11:30,310 seal. 170 00:11:30,630 --> 00:11:36,350 I couldn't make it here tonight, but he did say that he was in favor of this condition of 171 00:11:36,350 --> 00:11:42,850 use and wanted to thank the commission and staff for all the work that went into work and 172 00:11:42,850 --> 00:11:45,530 was to spend a little long process, 173 00:11:45,590 --> 00:11:48,410 but I think he was very happy with how the final outcome 174 00:11:48,410 --> 00:11:48,790 was. 175 00:11:48,910 --> 00:11:49,730 So I just want to pass it on. 176 00:11:50,590 --> 00:11:50,970 Commission. 177 00:11:55,540 --> 00:11:56,940 I got a question for staff. 178 00:11:57,800 --> 00:12:01,200 Now, when happens, if they don't put the landscaping 179 00:12:01,200 --> 00:12:02,960 into the fence or anything like that, 180 00:12:03,480 --> 00:12:05,900 they were ending on what they, uh, 2012 or 2015. 181 00:12:07,400 --> 00:12:11,020 Can you still open, or they have to do that before they open up? 182 00:12:11,400 --> 00:12:12,960 Or six months after? 183 00:12:14,820 --> 00:12:15,140 I 184 00:12:20,200 --> 00:12:23,320 think what we would likely do is they could get temporary 185 00:12:23,320 --> 00:12:27,100 occupancy permits, which is pretty standard for commercial 186 00:12:27,100 --> 00:12:29,200 business when they can't put landscaping in the winter. 187 00:12:29,200 --> 00:12:30,000 Those same things. 188 00:12:30,520 --> 00:12:32,260 They would have to put down a cash escrow. 189 00:12:32,420 --> 00:12:33,440 They would need a performance. 190 00:12:34,620 --> 00:12:36,620 We're sure I said we're part of them to do the work. 191 00:12:37,120 --> 00:12:38,460 They give them 12 months to do the work. 192 00:12:38,540 --> 00:12:39,680 They do not do the work. 193 00:12:39,880 --> 00:12:41,380 The occupancy permit would be rescinded. 194 00:12:41,480 --> 00:12:44,800 So they would have that 12 month period to do that work. 195 00:12:44,800 --> 00:12:46,860 And if not, the occupancy would be enrolled. 196 00:12:48,910 --> 00:12:49,790 Thank you. 197 00:12:49,790 --> 00:12:50,430 Thank you. 198 00:12:50,610 --> 00:12:51,110 I have a question. 199 00:12:53,390 --> 00:12:56,090 To the staff, the defense that did put in up, 200 00:12:56,350 --> 00:13:01,050 is that facing 11th Street there? 201 00:13:02,130 --> 00:13:03,030 11th Avenue, sorry. 202 00:13:06,210 --> 00:13:08,070 There's a 3-4-foot tall up here. 203 00:13:08,350 --> 00:13:12,070 A lot of our offense says going on the common lot line between them 204 00:13:12,070 --> 00:13:13,810 and the 11-18 property to the west. 205 00:13:14,490 --> 00:13:15,870 I don't think there's any offense in the middle. 206 00:13:15,870 --> 00:13:19,830 So there's only one fence, which would be the one that I'm not allowed to. 207 00:13:19,830 --> 00:13:20,030 Correct. 208 00:13:20,610 --> 00:13:21,650 The others would be open. 209 00:13:23,090 --> 00:13:25,370 The other three sides would be open. 210 00:13:25,510 --> 00:13:25,690 The other three sides would be open. 211 00:13:27,310 --> 00:13:28,030 How big of a fence? 212 00:13:30,310 --> 00:13:30,710 Yes. 213 00:13:30,850 --> 00:13:30,970 Yeah. 214 00:13:31,110 --> 00:13:32,930 I forget the 3 or 4 feet. 215 00:13:33,430 --> 00:13:33,990 4 feet. 216 00:13:34,070 --> 00:13:34,430 Oh, sure. 217 00:13:35,850 --> 00:13:36,210 Yes. 218 00:13:37,830 --> 00:13:38,430 The fence. 219 00:13:38,570 --> 00:13:41,130 How big of a fence you put it in the back and allow? 220 00:13:41,130 --> 00:13:47,130 I was about three to four feet, which is several to what limit you clean currently they have, so we're gonna match that one. 221 00:13:47,610 --> 00:13:49,310 I'm sorry, three or four feet this one? 222 00:13:49,590 --> 00:13:50,090 Three to four. 223 00:13:50,190 --> 00:13:50,350 Yeah. 224 00:13:50,710 --> 00:13:52,830 Which is the current one, which is the food for the living. 225 00:13:52,930 --> 00:13:54,230 And what kind of fence you put it out? 226 00:13:55,210 --> 00:13:56,210 It's a metal fence. 227 00:13:57,350 --> 00:13:59,770 When you smell it, you tell you, is it like that? 228 00:13:59,910 --> 00:14:03,190 Check your wire type of fence or, you know, or the type of fence that, 229 00:14:06,870 --> 00:14:11,430 So, basically, over and over, basically, right now. 230 00:14:11,870 --> 00:14:14,210 Okay, so it's all in some more on the other side. 231 00:14:14,650 --> 00:14:16,530 Either cast iron or iron, that's it. 232 00:14:17,010 --> 00:14:17,210 Okay. 233 00:14:17,790 --> 00:14:19,130 And you'll be able to see right through it. 234 00:14:19,610 --> 00:14:19,850 Okay. 235 00:14:20,070 --> 00:14:20,830 All right. 236 00:14:21,590 --> 00:14:22,230 Thank you. 237 00:14:23,750 --> 00:14:27,930 In the landscape, you go back in the landscape in the front end 238 00:14:27,930 --> 00:14:29,210 of 60 street landscapes. 239 00:14:33,990 --> 00:14:44,730 Okay, the landscape in there, I said the design of the landscape, what we want, step. 240 00:14:45,750 --> 00:14:48,890 Okay, so then he's got time frame to get that done. 241 00:14:48,890 --> 00:14:57,150 If I may amend what I've said prior, I feel we have put this condition in here, prior, in 1D prior to the 242 00:14:57,150 --> 00:14:59,790 Here's what's available for facility permit, all required last year. 243 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:18,680 Okay, carries must be installed in any required site length must be installed in operation. So we would not be able to sell any vehicles from that site until the end of the day. And let it. So he has a time. Pretty might be speaking, and I get a permit. Then is all the applicant to. All right. All right. Thank you for the question. 244 00:15:21,360 --> 00:15:22,780 Thank you, sir. Anyone else? 245 00:15:27,440 --> 00:15:30,240 I'm looking forward to the 246 00:15:30,240 --> 00:15:31,440 based on staff's recommendation. 247 00:15:32,680 --> 00:15:33,060 Second. 248 00:15:34,200 --> 00:15:37,360 Second to approve the commission use. 249 00:15:37,540 --> 00:15:39,240 I need further discussion on that motion. 250 00:15:40,640 --> 00:15:42,360 Seeing none, all of a favor say aye. 251 00:15:42,640 --> 00:15:42,860 Aye. 252 00:15:43,080 --> 00:15:43,140 Aye. 253 00:15:43,340 --> 00:15:43,800 Any opposed? 254 00:15:45,120 --> 00:15:45,700 Chair votes aye. 255 00:15:48,470 --> 00:15:53,510 Item number four, commission use permit for 5,220 square foot dig. 256 00:15:53,510 --> 00:15:56,790 here building located at 65-153 May Road. 257 00:15:57,250 --> 00:16:00,570 Traveling here, final hearing, Mr. 14, public hearing. 258 00:16:01,430 --> 00:16:04,050 Recommendations, staff recommendations made to defer 259 00:16:04,050 --> 00:16:07,890 the final hearing to the meeting of June 4th, 2026. 260 00:16:10,550 --> 00:16:13,150 Okay, at this time we will open up to a public hearing 261 00:16:13,150 --> 00:16:13,930 since this is noticed. 262 00:16:14,650 --> 00:16:16,190 Anyone here speaking item four? 263 00:16:17,210 --> 00:16:17,870 Anyone here speaking? 264 00:16:18,470 --> 00:16:19,110 Anyone here speaking? 265 00:16:19,470 --> 00:16:21,450 Seeing the close public hearing staff. 266 00:16:21,450 --> 00:16:32,650 The applicant had indicated that they would like this deferred to the June court meeting so that they can finish work on their, their plans to recommend for all the 267 00:16:32,650 --> 00:16:33,390 tell June court. 268 00:16:33,870 --> 00:16:36,350 Is there a motion to deferred to the June court? 269 00:16:37,790 --> 00:16:38,110 Second. 270 00:16:38,770 --> 00:16:39,270 No. 271 00:16:39,530 --> 00:16:40,310 Second to deferment. 272 00:16:40,430 --> 00:16:41,730 Item in discussion. 273 00:16:42,470 --> 00:16:43,030 Seeing none. 274 00:16:43,230 --> 00:16:44,210 All as opposed to say aye. 275 00:16:45,030 --> 00:16:45,570 Can you pose? 276 00:16:46,110 --> 00:16:46,610 Chair votes aye. 277 00:16:47,470 --> 00:16:47,850 Item 278 00:16:51,530 --> 00:16:52,310 number five. 279 00:16:52,310 --> 00:16:56,430 conditionally used permit amendment from the fabric model of a car wash bill 280 00:16:56,430 --> 00:17:01,250 committed at 2918 Washington Road, Kenosha car wash guys initial hearing 281 00:17:01,250 --> 00:17:06,290 district six public hearing. Recommendation, staff recommendation is made from 282 00:17:06,290 --> 00:17:10,390 the city plan commission to establish the conditions of approval and schedule 283 00:17:10,390 --> 00:17:13,250 public hearing after publication of the task to fill this. 284 00:17:14,850 --> 00:17:18,050 That's a sign of open up to a public hearing and we're here to speak at 285 00:17:18,050 --> 00:17:20,770 down to her five, who's come forward, so you can even ask us. 286 00:17:24,120 --> 00:17:25,160 Good evening, ladies and gentlemen, 287 00:17:25,680 --> 00:17:27,760 project architect, 4040 North-Calvin Road, 288 00:17:28,040 --> 00:17:28,740 Profield-Cinetic. 289 00:17:29,220 --> 00:17:30,780 I'm here representing the water for the project. 290 00:17:31,120 --> 00:17:32,440 I'm also a project architect. 291 00:17:33,300 --> 00:17:35,420 Essentially, we're taking the existing gas station, 292 00:17:35,600 --> 00:17:37,620 looking to give a fresh new look on the outside, 293 00:17:37,840 --> 00:17:39,680 got new ownership, want a brand new book, 294 00:17:40,020 --> 00:17:40,460 brand new field. 295 00:17:41,400 --> 00:17:43,140 He's excited that standing community 296 00:17:43,140 --> 00:17:46,860 keep things pretty much going as normal under the ownership. 297 00:17:47,440 --> 00:17:49,340 So I'm here to answer any questions you guys may have. 298 00:17:50,560 --> 00:17:51,360 Thank you, sir. 299 00:17:52,540 --> 00:17:54,400 Anyone else from the public amount of number five? 300 00:17:55,060 --> 00:17:55,940 Anyone else? 301 00:17:56,120 --> 00:17:57,000 Anyone else who are none? 302 00:17:57,640 --> 00:17:58,820 Those are public hearing staff. 303 00:17:59,540 --> 00:18:03,280 So tonight's action is hopefully to establish a condition that will pool for the condition 304 00:18:03,280 --> 00:18:03,920 use permit. 305 00:18:04,420 --> 00:18:08,880 Since this is a car wash, it is under a existing condition use and the app is looking to 306 00:18:08,880 --> 00:18:13,360 do a side modification, really all the self-end of the buildings of our element. 307 00:18:13,940 --> 00:18:18,800 One of the conditions of approval that staff recommended was to take some of the, uh, 308 00:18:20,080 --> 00:18:25,380 underutilized as the asphalt and the middle of the site and here some of that up and the grass or landscape area 309 00:18:25,380 --> 00:18:31,560 just provides more green space and probably a surface etc. So we have recommended that as a condition of approval, but 310 00:18:31,560 --> 00:18:34,880 tonight we would recommend that you see my commission establishes the conditions. 311 00:18:35,840 --> 00:18:36,180 Thank you sir. 312 00:18:41,640 --> 00:18:43,760 I have a, where's the gentleman? 313 00:18:45,020 --> 00:18:46,220 You see, you represent yours. 314 00:18:47,040 --> 00:18:47,140 Correct. 315 00:18:47,380 --> 00:18:47,980 Who owns it? 316 00:18:48,680 --> 00:18:49,020 Saeed. 317 00:18:49,480 --> 00:18:50,600 Is it the native owner? 318 00:18:51,060 --> 00:18:51,280 Okay. 319 00:18:51,700 --> 00:18:52,620 Is that the only one they own? 320 00:18:53,720 --> 00:18:54,820 No, it's not separate. 321 00:18:55,620 --> 00:18:56,500 He has one other one out. 322 00:18:56,600 --> 00:18:57,260 So, he's the street. 323 00:18:57,540 --> 00:18:58,060 He owns it as well. 324 00:18:58,800 --> 00:19:00,440 So, he's gifted off 30th Avenue. 325 00:19:00,920 --> 00:19:02,060 He has not raised the belt. 326 00:19:03,660 --> 00:19:04,820 He can't think of only Namba. 327 00:19:05,320 --> 00:19:06,380 Can I mention that he was called here? 328 00:19:06,380 --> 00:19:10,800 No, it was not too long ago, they built that power wash, but they want to wash it too much. 329 00:19:10,920 --> 00:19:16,200 Yeah, I think 2015, I believe, not my client, the previous owner did, the previous owner. 330 00:19:18,780 --> 00:19:25,620 So, I'm still confused a little bit, what they want to do, so we're doing it in the satin model. 331 00:19:26,120 --> 00:19:27,440 So, on the whole power wash? 332 00:19:27,760 --> 00:19:34,360 And essentially, just the main one end of the building only, not the whole power wash. 333 00:19:34,360 --> 00:19:36,800 exterior only, we're looking to change some propellants. 334 00:19:37,580 --> 00:19:39,920 We're taking essentially a flat roof 335 00:19:40,440 --> 00:19:45,100 and giving it a pitch roof with some new exterior metal finish, 336 00:19:45,400 --> 00:19:49,160 new colors, just to give it a fresh look, 337 00:19:49,380 --> 00:19:51,580 new water, and just want to create some excitement, though. 338 00:19:51,920 --> 00:19:52,760 If not, I trust. 339 00:19:53,280 --> 00:19:55,500 Did anyone approach the neighbor there? 340 00:19:56,600 --> 00:19:57,620 No thoughts for me. 341 00:19:57,840 --> 00:19:58,640 I'm not aware of that. 342 00:19:58,920 --> 00:20:00,340 The rust run there, no. 343 00:20:00,840 --> 00:20:01,640 I'm not aware of that. 344 00:20:01,800 --> 00:20:02,000 OK. 345 00:20:03,060 --> 00:20:05,520 Do we know what there was in the opposition from the neighbors? 346 00:20:08,970 --> 00:20:09,890 No, not at all. 347 00:20:10,430 --> 00:20:15,170 I mean, it's an existing car wash right now, so they're just saying that this ought to happen. 348 00:20:16,030 --> 00:20:16,270 Okay. 349 00:20:17,490 --> 00:20:20,690 So, you'll look in obviously to enhance the property. 350 00:20:21,030 --> 00:20:21,390 Correct. 351 00:20:21,690 --> 00:20:22,210 You know, out of there. 352 00:20:22,970 --> 00:20:23,090 Okay. 353 00:20:23,350 --> 00:20:24,370 I don't live in the park right there. 354 00:20:24,570 --> 00:20:25,370 I'd like to see that. 355 00:20:25,690 --> 00:20:26,030 Thank you. 356 00:20:26,030 --> 00:20:27,490 It's all appreciated. 357 00:20:27,750 --> 00:20:28,230 Thank you, Jerry. 358 00:20:29,630 --> 00:20:30,410 Well, it's a little question. 359 00:20:33,150 --> 00:20:35,110 I don't like the looks of it before. 360 00:20:36,510 --> 00:20:39,050 I don't know what it is that you brought it myself. 361 00:20:40,810 --> 00:20:41,490 You got to. 362 00:20:42,170 --> 00:20:42,770 You got to. 363 00:20:44,470 --> 00:20:46,450 I don't know what it is. 364 00:20:47,730 --> 00:20:49,530 I don't know what it is. 365 00:20:49,770 --> 00:20:50,950 What it should look like. 366 00:20:51,150 --> 00:20:52,070 Or what it might look like. 367 00:20:52,270 --> 00:20:54,650 Or the picture that you should hold here. 368 00:20:55,310 --> 00:20:57,650 I'm not happy with it. 369 00:20:57,650 --> 00:21:01,870 It's better than it was, you know, that's kind of stuff like a circle. 370 00:21:03,710 --> 00:21:09,990 This here looks like it's just makeshift, you're just putting some covering over it. 371 00:21:10,610 --> 00:21:14,910 And that is very good rendering of how it looks. 372 00:21:16,610 --> 00:21:21,450 I like to see something more modern looking. 373 00:21:21,450 --> 00:21:23,610 This looks high. 374 00:21:26,870 --> 00:21:34,230 The lettering is as big as the waist. It needs something in my mind. 375 00:21:34,490 --> 00:21:40,270 Maybe somebody else in the commission can help me determine what it should look like. 376 00:21:45,590 --> 00:21:50,470 question is this the gentleman owns this is this going to be like his 377 00:21:50,470 --> 00:21:55,070 branding so if you just bought one on selling history is we expect to see 378 00:21:55,070 --> 00:22:02,470 something yeah this is but they're looking to do some work on that one 379 00:22:02,470 --> 00:22:08,530 we will be. So is that just that branding of the car wash guys? 380 00:22:10,050 --> 00:22:13,790 That's the name of the company which will be the same for both gas station locations. 381 00:22:14,050 --> 00:22:18,510 There's because there both existing buildings. We're going to, we can't do the match materials 382 00:22:18,510 --> 00:22:25,150 colors so there's some consistency among the both ranges but there's, there are different 383 00:22:25,150 --> 00:22:28,510 architectural styles, but I can't take a look. 384 00:22:29,150 --> 00:22:30,590 I'll do my best, though. 385 00:22:31,350 --> 00:22:32,970 Okay. Thank you, sir. 386 00:22:33,590 --> 00:22:37,610 I'm going to have a piggy bank in the commission 387 00:22:37,610 --> 00:22:39,070 on the top of the portfolio there. 388 00:22:39,650 --> 00:22:44,290 In regard to the side there, does he have other ones 389 00:22:44,290 --> 00:22:45,310 that he owns or doesn't? 390 00:22:45,690 --> 00:22:46,370 He does. 391 00:22:46,650 --> 00:22:46,730 Correct. 392 00:22:47,210 --> 00:22:47,370 Where? 393 00:22:47,870 --> 00:22:50,610 The last one we did will be on Milro in Milwaukee. 394 00:22:51,210 --> 00:22:53,210 Milro in the... 395 00:22:54,350 --> 00:22:55,890 I'm trying to blame on the cross tree. 396 00:22:56,250 --> 00:22:59,510 Another previous gas station we took over did a facade remodel. 397 00:22:59,850 --> 00:23:00,930 Very similar material design. 398 00:23:01,670 --> 00:23:05,030 So, is that very similar to this one? 399 00:23:05,970 --> 00:23:09,410 The one I'm actually using is the much bigger building than the previous one we did. 400 00:23:09,710 --> 00:23:15,730 But they're similar in the essence that they're all roughly counterfeit long buildings for the time of car wash. 401 00:23:16,050 --> 00:23:22,750 It's got a power feature on it which is similar to one on this project but just a smaller scale. 402 00:23:24,290 --> 00:23:29,450 Now, you imagine at least what I read, you're going to put in more green space. 403 00:23:30,970 --> 00:23:35,690 That's a recommendation of the councilor. 404 00:23:35,890 --> 00:23:36,550 Just talk about who? 405 00:23:36,890 --> 00:23:39,550 Where is the staff is recommending that? 406 00:23:39,830 --> 00:23:40,110 Okay. 407 00:23:40,710 --> 00:23:41,170 And what you thought? 408 00:23:42,510 --> 00:23:52,730 On the side note, we are proposing an upcoming secondary building on the site, right at 409 00:23:53,370 --> 00:23:55,790 nothing but submitted, nothing's officially it. 410 00:23:57,410 --> 00:23:58,930 We're open to, 411 00:24:04,780 --> 00:24:07,560 where the proposed green space is, is right where the new building is going to go. 412 00:24:07,860 --> 00:24:13,060 So, we don't want to hold up this approval for that future building, 413 00:24:13,920 --> 00:24:18,480 but the green space would probably go away in the very new future of the next, 414 00:24:18,760 --> 00:24:22,720 the next three months, I'd say, when we submit base two as probably. 415 00:24:22,720 --> 00:24:26,160 So, just for any amount, so what kind of room are you looking at? 416 00:24:26,200 --> 00:24:29,380 I'm in the car wash. So you have back to back car wash. 417 00:24:30,220 --> 00:24:34,600 So you can call these, instead of watching the road, you call it watching the car wash road. 418 00:24:38,100 --> 00:24:39,400 I like the wing space. 419 00:24:41,180 --> 00:24:45,160 The whole area there, I mean, you got to get with your own car. 420 00:24:45,160 --> 00:24:46,340 that we've got in there. 421 00:24:46,980 --> 00:24:50,060 You have a 20-year-old name. 422 00:24:52,680 --> 00:24:55,100 So I like the room space mentality. 423 00:24:56,140 --> 00:24:57,880 And please keep that in mind. 424 00:25:00,660 --> 00:25:06,700 As far as the facade, I agree with all women 425 00:25:06,700 --> 00:25:11,060 rough along the notion of how I watch guys. 426 00:25:11,600 --> 00:25:12,660 I don't know what the hell that means. 427 00:25:12,660 --> 00:25:21,660 but that's the name of, obviously, in the tale of this name for Kenosha, I'm sure it doesn't have that in Milwaukee. 428 00:25:23,920 --> 00:25:29,060 Sorry, that's many for signing to prove the name. Most likely the Kenosha is going to get dropped. It must be car wash guys. 429 00:25:29,300 --> 00:25:30,160 Okay, that'll be the brand. 430 00:25:30,900 --> 00:25:30,960 Okay, 431 00:25:34,280 --> 00:25:35,640 I'm going for the question, thank you. 432 00:25:36,400 --> 00:25:42,700 I should have liked seeing the new connoisseurs, so this is a question to staff. 433 00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:53,100 Based on what this gentleman's talking about, is that something for me from a traffic 434 00:25:53,100 --> 00:25:53,640 standpoint? 435 00:25:54,060 --> 00:25:58,520 Are you going to drop it in another car wash on that same site house? 436 00:25:59,380 --> 00:26:01,540 How's that going to impact in and out of there? 437 00:26:01,540 --> 00:26:09,040 I mean obviously if they look at putting another use on that on the site 438 00:26:09,040 --> 00:26:13,640 basically in that parking lot they'll have to come back for this commission to 439 00:26:13,640 --> 00:26:18,500 get approval and that'll be stuff that'll all be looked at but the current 440 00:26:18,500 --> 00:26:25,520 accesses there could be changes to their drive locations that would all be I guess 441 00:26:25,520 --> 00:26:31,900 things that would happen out of future day if they actually submitted anything for additional 442 00:26:31,900 --> 00:26:39,040 buildings on the site. So, I guess I agree with everybody's commentary on the green 443 00:26:39,040 --> 00:26:47,080 space piece but they are going to be submitting something. I guess what would be the best option 444 00:26:47,080 --> 00:26:53,560 here because I also don't want to, they've been around a long time and somebody says, well, 445 00:26:53,560 --> 00:27:10,240 We want to want to put it in a green space, but then because we're going to do something else and then something else turns into never, I guess, what's the maybe ask you what's your time frame for submitting whatever additional building that I'm inside. 446 00:27:10,480 --> 00:27:18,500 So we're just at the beginning stages now. So plans will be ready. I would say within three to four months. You would probably see it in about three months for your initial approval. 447 00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:22,720 He's, as long as I need to go through, you want to build it immediately. 448 00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:29,600 So just my thought, maybe we put it in like a time constraint, like you allow me 12 months 449 00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:32,680 to put the green space in or whatever your standard is to get me in. 450 00:27:33,620 --> 00:27:39,680 A little time to get this part one approved while I submit for part two for that future build 451 00:27:39,680 --> 00:27:41,720 out and it would change in the case. 452 00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:43,480 I would think of more like six months. 453 00:27:47,820 --> 00:27:53,900 So, right now, with that being a condition, that's something that the landscaping would 454 00:27:53,900 --> 00:27:56,940 have to be in before they get the temperate. 455 00:27:56,960 --> 00:28:02,400 No, they need a temperate, they just have to get a final, have it done for a final. 456 00:28:02,580 --> 00:28:08,740 So, to be similar to that earlier discussion, and if they came in, they could get a temporary 457 00:28:08,740 --> 00:28:15,680 temporary occupancy for the car wash. They'll have to post a cash assurance for the landscaping. 458 00:28:15,680 --> 00:28:20,500 They will technically have 12 months under the ordinance to install it. 459 00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:27,600 I guess if they bring something else in that takes over, then that would take over. 460 00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:35,720 If they don't, then they would have to have the landscaping installed or they would lose their occupancy 461 00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:39,420 and the cash escrow that was being bolstered. 462 00:28:42,040 --> 00:28:51,740 So I guess I'm okay with moving this along at this point in time, but I have severe 463 00:28:51,740 --> 00:29:00,180 reservations about what could actually be on that site and not really be a hazard coming 464 00:29:00,180 --> 00:29:06,820 in and out of there. That's my other concern of that. I know that a whole intersection, 465 00:29:06,820 --> 00:29:17,720 which is now finally open all four ways as of this morning. But still, I think I'd be 466 00:29:17,720 --> 00:29:22,540 very curious to see how that traffic flow happens there in and out of that, out of that 467 00:29:22,540 --> 00:29:22,800 I can't say, 468 00:29:25,460 --> 00:29:26,420 can I show up? 469 00:29:26,780 --> 00:29:29,300 Hi, you know, in regard to the green space, 470 00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:33,840 why spend, I mean, what could you bring the whole package 471 00:29:34,320 --> 00:29:38,040 to the forefront and spend the money of green space 472 00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:40,280 and put up a building on top? 473 00:29:40,420 --> 00:29:42,160 You would all, is one developing green? 474 00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:42,540 Yeah. 475 00:29:43,720 --> 00:29:45,420 It's a new project that came to light recently. 476 00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:47,780 After I submitted all the documents for the space one. 477 00:29:48,180 --> 00:29:50,660 Are you familiar with the one on the 47th Street 478 00:29:50,660 --> 00:29:58,360 and I believe it's 27 and then it's right off. 479 00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:29,620 West of the north. I believe it's an excellent rexel. Have it over there. I don't want to speak. Carwash me off there. I'm not. Exactly. We should take a look because there is a major being carwash there and so on. And I happen to go either this winter. When the weather is kind of getting nice, if you want to wash the car. There was a line on my line. 480 00:30:29,620 --> 00:30:33,720 They had two car washers there, almost like back to back. 481 00:30:33,980 --> 00:30:35,160 I don't know what's there, nothing. 482 00:30:35,760 --> 00:30:38,420 But because the line was so long, and they were at 27 streets 483 00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:40,900 that they were trying to get in. 484 00:30:41,060 --> 00:30:43,660 So they blocked almost one lane, and so on. 485 00:30:44,320 --> 00:30:47,000 And I'm equanimous with the mayor's point of view here 486 00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:49,560 as far as the traffic goes on air. 487 00:30:50,380 --> 00:30:52,160 I'm 30 at that, and I'm watching the road. 488 00:30:52,400 --> 00:30:53,440 I don't know how they're going to get in. 489 00:30:54,500 --> 00:30:57,980 If I'm good days, there'll be days that I need to do that. 490 00:30:57,980 --> 00:31:04,920 They might go in and out, but the sun is shining and the cars are full of salt or whatever 491 00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:06,620 everybody wants to go out on the wheels. 492 00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:09,400 Are you changing the fees on those cars? 493 00:31:10,280 --> 00:31:12,120 I'm not privy to that at all. 494 00:31:12,500 --> 00:31:12,860 Okay, sure. 495 00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:15,060 Well, proof of all. 496 00:31:15,280 --> 00:31:15,500 That's all. 497 00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:15,660 Sure. 498 00:31:16,220 --> 00:31:16,540 Thank you. 499 00:31:16,740 --> 00:31:17,020 Thank you. 500 00:31:19,160 --> 00:31:25,820 Through the chair of staff, with this being a more recent bill 2015, is there any stipulations 501 00:31:25,820 --> 00:31:28,460 and the original construction to have green space. 502 00:31:31,410 --> 00:31:33,650 And if you don't know offhand, that's okay. 503 00:31:36,540 --> 00:31:39,180 I didn't really know because the site was built, 504 00:31:39,280 --> 00:31:40,520 obviously, the car wash is there, 505 00:31:40,640 --> 00:31:41,940 and then a final accuracy was granted, 506 00:31:41,940 --> 00:31:43,840 so the pavement that was there was not. 507 00:31:44,120 --> 00:31:46,100 And then I think we may have been doing some landscaping 508 00:31:46,100 --> 00:31:49,200 along the parameters, but the inside stuff, no, nothing. 509 00:31:49,540 --> 00:31:52,200 And forgive me just because I've been out of this 510 00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:52,880 for a couple of years. 511 00:31:53,380 --> 00:31:55,760 Is there a reason why we are recommending green space? 512 00:31:55,760 --> 00:31:58,760 Is it for aesthetics or is there a certain amount 513 00:31:58,760 --> 00:32:04,520 area that needs to be known even on the property. We've been on a lot of our 514 00:32:05,520 --> 00:32:10,860 conditional use permits recently, especially use like 52nd Street, the 515 00:32:10,860 --> 00:32:14,760 little shop go, the came out where they turned them into storage, where you got 516 00:32:15,320 --> 00:32:21,160 excess parking out there, turning them into green space, it helps with the water 517 00:32:21,160 --> 00:32:24,840 quality, it's more hard to run up and everything else, so that's in this 518 00:32:24,840 --> 00:32:29,240 particular case that's what we're looking for is it's large amount of impervious 519 00:32:29,240 --> 00:32:34,220 surface that's not used let's get it back in the some green space areas. 520 00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:36,300 I understand. Thank you. Thank you, sir. 521 00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:45,320 Thank you. Through the chairs and the applicants. This secondary car wash I assume 522 00:32:45,320 --> 00:32:50,760 that it would be something different than the conveyor tunnel that is existing. 523 00:32:53,050 --> 00:32:54,090 Did I say car wash? 524 00:32:54,490 --> 00:32:54,790 Yes. 525 00:32:55,190 --> 00:32:56,250 Oh, you're saying get. 526 00:32:56,410 --> 00:32:57,130 Oh, gas station. 527 00:32:57,410 --> 00:32:58,370 I just don't know for that. 528 00:32:58,630 --> 00:32:59,010 I apologize. 529 00:32:59,330 --> 00:32:59,990 Gas station. 530 00:33:00,110 --> 00:33:00,370 Okay. 531 00:33:00,470 --> 00:33:03,470 Now, that's car wash with a small gas unit. 532 00:33:04,030 --> 00:33:04,190 Right. 533 00:33:04,750 --> 00:33:05,410 I apologize. 534 00:33:05,730 --> 00:33:07,770 No, that's because you referred to a car wash 535 00:33:07,770 --> 00:33:09,170 as a gas station earlier on. 536 00:33:09,250 --> 00:33:11,410 But that's not any of the tree now. 537 00:33:11,650 --> 00:33:13,090 But now it's clear. 538 00:33:13,470 --> 00:33:13,730 All right. 539 00:33:14,290 --> 00:33:15,190 So that's an incredible. 540 00:33:15,430 --> 00:33:16,770 It's a completely other animal. 541 00:33:17,230 --> 00:33:20,950 And I think that this site is about four tenths of an acre. 542 00:33:20,950 --> 00:33:25,710 That's going to be very tight for gas, station, and queuing. 543 00:33:26,550 --> 00:33:28,890 But that's, I guess, a conversation for another day 544 00:33:28,890 --> 00:33:30,690 when you've submitted some plans for us to review. 545 00:33:31,210 --> 00:33:34,010 In the meantime, as it relates to this facade improvement, 546 00:33:34,790 --> 00:33:36,750 I don't see an improvement here. 547 00:33:37,590 --> 00:33:39,970 It certainly lacks really any inspiration. 548 00:33:42,530 --> 00:33:49,070 The prior existing map at least has a logo in image. 549 00:33:49,070 --> 00:33:53,910 I know that you're not coming for a sign permit today and you may drop the word 550 00:33:53,910 --> 00:34:02,530 Kenosha, perhaps to the chagrin of the Marathon, that's it out. Is this 551 00:34:02,530 --> 00:34:08,230 Carwash guys and do they have an image that they have an identity that they're 552 00:34:08,230 --> 00:34:12,170 going for that we'll be going for? There is a logo as part of that signage package. 553 00:34:12,370 --> 00:34:17,790 Okay and so the predominant color scheme of their other stories going to be 554 00:34:17,790 --> 00:34:23,110 this dark brown cream? Is that what you're going for here? 555 00:34:23,530 --> 00:34:28,670 This location we're going to maintain the cream color of the existing brick with black. 556 00:34:29,510 --> 00:34:30,070 Black? 557 00:34:30,450 --> 00:34:36,930 Yeah, black, facet of black roof, black metal panel, that is consistent with the other 558 00:34:36,930 --> 00:34:39,550 one we're going to be on in this other location. 559 00:34:40,010 --> 00:34:40,250 Okay. 560 00:34:44,380 --> 00:34:45,660 Yes, I've got nothing further. 561 00:34:45,660 --> 00:34:48,840 Is the question, this is the initial here? 562 00:34:49,180 --> 00:34:49,380 Correct. 563 00:34:50,060 --> 00:34:53,320 So I guess based on what you've kind of heard 564 00:34:53,320 --> 00:34:56,600 from everybody here who's spoken, 565 00:34:56,960 --> 00:34:59,520 as my assumption is that you could come back 566 00:35:00,140 --> 00:35:04,160 at the next hearing, but maybe some upgraded design 567 00:35:04,160 --> 00:35:07,520 modifications, what that's going to look like, 568 00:35:07,700 --> 00:35:13,560 whether it be in adverbs, or logos, or just something else 569 00:35:13,560 --> 00:35:21,280 to kind of, I don't know, again, I do think it's somewhat of an improvement with the 570 00:35:22,340 --> 00:35:26,620 Russian self-worth, but it just kind of, it does look a little kind of thin. 571 00:35:28,780 --> 00:35:33,020 So my suggestion at this point was somebody who helped me different. 572 00:35:35,160 --> 00:35:39,820 They kind of heard the commentary, you know, when this comes back, I would expect to see 573 00:35:39,820 --> 00:35:48,290 maybe some other types of, some other design work that might help this commission make a final decision. 574 00:35:51,540 --> 00:36:01,140 With that, I would say that you would probably want to, since we're establishing the conditions at a 2E that they submit, 575 00:36:01,600 --> 00:36:10,860 revise building elevations, maybe with additional articulation, hand signage, or city plan commission reviewer approval, 576 00:36:10,860 --> 00:36:15,560 That way when they come back, you guys will have to see that in 30 days. 577 00:36:15,900 --> 00:36:20,520 Is there a motion to be made as presented by the motion? 578 00:36:21,080 --> 00:36:21,700 I'll take it. 579 00:36:22,620 --> 00:36:27,900 The motion is to add two E and S stated by a bridge. 580 00:36:29,420 --> 00:36:31,400 Any discussion on that motion? 581 00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:36,380 Seeing none, all those in favor say aye, aye, any opposed? 582 00:36:36,980 --> 00:36:37,800 Chair votes aye. 583 00:36:39,500 --> 00:36:43,020 And also say anything else, is there a motion to approve as amended? 584 00:36:49,840 --> 00:36:50,700 I move that. 585 00:36:52,200 --> 00:36:52,680 Second. 586 00:36:53,780 --> 00:36:58,160 Second, so it's approved as amended with the addition of the two E. 587 00:36:59,180 --> 00:37:05,580 So again, assuming that that motion is approved, we'd expect to see some additional design 588 00:37:05,580 --> 00:37:08,420 Designed for the next being which is when? 589 00:37:09,640 --> 00:37:11,580 Do you want to see June 4th? 590 00:37:13,920 --> 00:37:14,380 Yes, sir. 591 00:37:15,480 --> 00:37:17,060 Yeah, one final statement. 592 00:37:18,200 --> 00:37:24,520 If you want my vote to be yes, you got to come back with something that's better than this. 593 00:37:26,660 --> 00:37:29,100 Otherwise, I need you to only know what that will be. 594 00:37:29,440 --> 00:37:32,920 So just to answer, please. 595 00:37:33,820 --> 00:37:38,980 Anywhere else, motion or floor is to agree as amended, okay? 596 00:37:39,800 --> 00:37:40,920 All those in service, aye. 597 00:37:41,720 --> 00:37:42,120 Any opposed? 598 00:37:43,040 --> 00:37:43,740 Chair, those comments. 599 00:37:44,300 --> 00:37:44,500 Thank you. 600 00:37:44,740 --> 00:37:45,300 Item 601 00:37:54,700 --> 00:37:59,180 number six, conditionally used permit for a self-sourge facility. 602 00:37:59,420 --> 00:38:05,660 We located at 61 on 375th Street, Milwaukee, PC, self-sourge district 16 public hearing. 603 00:38:06,680 --> 00:38:10,120 Recommendations, staff recommendation is made for the City Plan Commission 604 00:38:10,120 --> 00:38:12,380 and to establish the conditions on approval 605 00:38:12,380 --> 00:38:14,800 and schedule public hearing after publication 606 00:38:14,800 --> 00:38:16,360 of the past two years. 607 00:38:17,560 --> 00:38:19,740 At the sign of open up to a public hearing, 608 00:38:20,260 --> 00:38:21,900 anyone here is speaking to add number six. 609 00:38:23,180 --> 00:38:24,740 Anyone here is speaking to add number six. 610 00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:27,200 Anyone saying none? 611 00:38:28,120 --> 00:38:29,500 Who's a public hearing staff? 612 00:38:30,640 --> 00:38:31,800 So again, this is a commission 613 00:38:31,800 --> 00:38:34,140 to use permit for self-assured facilities. 614 00:38:34,740 --> 00:38:37,200 I need just a million, 61% of the history. 615 00:38:37,960 --> 00:38:39,760 Commission has seen this and approved this back 616 00:38:39,760 --> 00:38:55,100 In February of 2018, the applicant did not actually pull the comments, but had not active on them moments expired before the CO2 expired, so they were back really generally about the same application as what we'd seen in the years ago. 617 00:38:55,900 --> 00:39:00,640 So with that staff would recommend establishing the completion of the approval. I just want to clarify this in this district. 618 00:39:00,640 --> 00:39:01,420 14. 619 00:39:02,100 --> 00:39:04,780 For example, this is our slide of this slide. 620 00:39:07,540 --> 00:39:07,960 Thank you, sir. 621 00:39:08,320 --> 00:39:08,840 Commissioners. 622 00:39:12,320 --> 00:39:12,460 Hi. 623 00:39:12,600 --> 00:39:13,480 I have an order here. 624 00:39:14,240 --> 00:39:15,260 That's what I was going to have. 625 00:39:17,280 --> 00:39:19,100 Anyone represented in the debate? 626 00:39:24,790 --> 00:39:29,890 I'd like to defer this because I'd like to have an order here. 627 00:39:30,330 --> 00:39:31,490 So I can ask them some questions. 628 00:39:32,690 --> 00:39:33,410 A second now. 629 00:39:33,950 --> 00:39:37,230 Moving the second to defer the slide of our next meeting. 630 00:39:37,810 --> 00:39:38,190 Commissioners. 631 00:39:39,290 --> 00:39:40,190 In two weeks. 632 00:39:40,190 --> 00:39:40,270 This 633 00:39:42,480 --> 00:39:47,380 motion on the floor is to defer and for our next meeting, any other discussion? 634 00:39:47,940 --> 00:39:49,400 Seeing none, I'll always be able to say aye. 635 00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:50,760 Any opposed? 636 00:39:51,140 --> 00:39:51,740 Terrible to aye. 637 00:39:55,160 --> 00:39:59,540 With no objections, I'd like to take item 789 for purposes of the public. 638 00:40:01,260 --> 00:40:01,740 Item 639 00:40:04,880 --> 00:40:13,380 number 7, conditionally determined for a 336-unit apartment complex located south of 68th Street in west of 58th Road. 640 00:40:13,380 --> 00:40:18,740 Black Hawk Red, Phoenix Department's initial hearing district 16 public hearing. 641 00:40:21,470 --> 00:40:26,690 Recommendations, staff recommendation is made for the City Plan Commission to establish the conditions of approval 642 00:40:26,690 --> 00:40:30,790 and schedule a public hearing after publication of the class two noes. 643 00:40:33,090 --> 00:40:38,210 Item number eight, resolution by the mayor to approve a two-lot sort of hit serving that for property 644 00:40:38,210 --> 00:40:42,030 will be in the north of 67th Street and east of 74th. 645 00:40:42,330 --> 00:40:45,770 Black Hawk Bridge LLC District 16 public hearing. 646 00:40:46,650 --> 00:40:48,690 Recommendation staff recommendation is made 647 00:40:48,690 --> 00:40:50,670 to approve the sort of quite survey map 648 00:40:50,670 --> 00:40:52,590 subject to the attached resolution. 649 00:40:53,990 --> 00:40:57,270 Item number nine, resolution by the mayor 650 00:40:57,270 --> 00:40:59,490 to approve a two-lot sort of a survey map 651 00:40:59,490 --> 00:41:01,870 for property located south of 60th Street 652 00:41:02,210 --> 00:41:03,570 and west of Green Bay Road. 653 00:41:03,850 --> 00:41:06,990 Black Hawk Bridge LLC District 16 public hearing. 654 00:41:08,330 --> 00:41:10,990 Recommendation, staff recommendation is made to approve the 655 00:41:10,990 --> 00:41:13,450 certified survey meant subject to the attached reports. 656 00:41:14,630 --> 00:41:16,630 At this time, we'll open up to a public hearing. 657 00:41:17,170 --> 00:41:20,110 Any of you here speak about in 7, 8, 4, 9, please 658 00:41:20,110 --> 00:41:21,530 can forward citric diving members. 659 00:41:26,070 --> 00:41:26,970 I'll be both at that point. 660 00:41:27,730 --> 00:41:28,050 I'm sorry? 661 00:41:28,390 --> 00:41:30,090 Applicant as well during the public hearing. 662 00:41:30,190 --> 00:41:30,450 That's all. 663 00:41:30,590 --> 00:41:31,250 Just wanted to confirm. 664 00:41:32,390 --> 00:41:33,290 Hi, and I need to see everyone. 665 00:41:33,290 --> 00:41:34,210 My name's Sarah Johnson. 666 00:41:34,650 --> 00:41:36,570 I'm here representing Consonant's property. 667 00:41:37,410 --> 00:41:38,890 Business address to the record. 668 00:41:40,190 --> 00:41:47,970 So, there with me, W-134, and it's 75, it's a good part of where we're located in the 669 00:41:47,970 --> 00:41:48,970 next Wisconsin. 670 00:41:49,870 --> 00:41:54,590 I am subbing in, I'm probably based to a lot of you, Katie Skelton, who is the project 671 00:41:54,590 --> 00:41:58,530 leader on behalf of the development for our continued issues on the public tonight. 672 00:41:58,770 --> 00:42:03,090 So, I'm a vice president of the development and principal and I'm here to just help support 673 00:42:03,090 --> 00:42:07,550 her and answer any questions you may have given where we sit from the project. 674 00:42:09,010 --> 00:42:13,730 I really appreciate everyone's time, and we did take a look at the gap report and 675 00:42:13,730 --> 00:42:15,750 the preparation on all three on the list tonight. 676 00:42:16,690 --> 00:42:19,430 I'm happy to get into any level of detail you'd like. 677 00:42:19,630 --> 00:42:23,350 You did bring the visual discipline up overall site plan if there are any specific questions 678 00:42:23,350 --> 00:42:24,070 on the layout. 679 00:42:24,710 --> 00:42:29,490 I also do have the area to be tonight representing the critical engineering, our civil engineering. 680 00:42:29,870 --> 00:42:32,950 There's any technical questions you may have or questions you need. 681 00:42:33,850 --> 00:42:38,830 I did want to just provide a few talking points here 682 00:42:38,830 --> 00:42:42,310 on within the location and analysis section 683 00:42:42,310 --> 00:42:44,790 of our first item for the conditional use permit. 684 00:42:45,430 --> 00:42:47,610 I do have to acknowledge its base value. 685 00:42:47,650 --> 00:42:49,730 After we took a look at all of the submitted materials, 686 00:42:49,730 --> 00:42:51,950 I fully recognized there was confusion 687 00:42:51,950 --> 00:42:54,050 over the different variations in the building, 688 00:42:54,730 --> 00:42:57,350 articulation, collars, massing, placement. 689 00:42:58,210 --> 00:43:00,530 I am not sure if it's all right to distribute this, 690 00:43:00,630 --> 00:43:02,930 otherwise you can't submit as part of the 691 00:43:02,930 --> 00:43:07,390 follow-up session, just a clarification on the different articulation. 692 00:43:08,090 --> 00:43:09,190 I think I aggression up for everyone. 693 00:43:09,690 --> 00:43:12,550 I think there's enough for everyone. 694 00:43:13,630 --> 00:43:13,970 So 695 00:43:16,880 --> 00:43:18,820 as those are getting past her and we just wanted to share, 696 00:43:19,020 --> 00:43:24,660 so we do have two different building types for our apartment structures within the property. 697 00:43:25,360 --> 00:43:28,860 And then beyond that, there are four different schemes. 698 00:43:30,020 --> 00:43:33,240 The schemes are made up of different color palettes, the colors, 699 00:43:33,240 --> 00:43:35,660 and how their position was in the materials. 700 00:43:36,180 --> 00:43:38,660 We have some on board siding, 701 00:43:39,120 --> 00:43:41,480 either lab or vertical horn and baton, 702 00:43:41,840 --> 00:43:44,200 as well as two different types of meas and re, 703 00:43:44,420 --> 00:43:46,120 and different placements of those. 704 00:43:46,620 --> 00:43:48,280 I realize there's a lot in here, 705 00:43:48,420 --> 00:43:49,520 because I hope you can appreciate 706 00:43:49,520 --> 00:43:50,900 beyond the two different building types 707 00:43:51,300 --> 00:43:52,580 with those four schemes, 708 00:43:52,840 --> 00:43:55,580 it gets you a little bit much. 709 00:43:55,940 --> 00:43:57,580 But I did want to just provide that 710 00:43:57,580 --> 00:43:58,820 for additional clarification 711 00:43:59,500 --> 00:44:02,140 on the variations we have within this site. 712 00:44:02,140 --> 00:44:07,400 We tried to give a really quick color code on just a different scheme, the different colorations 713 00:44:07,400 --> 00:44:12,380 and material placements, but beyond those four seasons, you see on that first page, please 714 00:44:12,380 --> 00:44:16,960 understand those do go against two different building types as well within the community. 715 00:44:18,960 --> 00:44:23,100 So I appreciate your willingness to go up to those we didn't want to provide that additional 716 00:44:23,100 --> 00:44:24,340 layer of clarification. 717 00:44:25,340 --> 00:44:30,420 The other piece I just wanted to draw attention to was the fact that we are requesting a 718 00:44:30,420 --> 00:44:34,040 variance to standard parking required for multi-family communities. 719 00:44:34,380 --> 00:44:39,500 We do own and operate a very healthy portfolio for families throughout the United States. 720 00:44:40,140 --> 00:44:45,060 We are out here present to help Eastern Wisconsin as well as Madison Metro Market in Wisconsin. 721 00:44:46,020 --> 00:44:50,160 And generally speaking, our sweet spot based on customer feedback 722 00:44:50,160 --> 00:44:55,800 and the federal mix that we offer is about 1.7 to 1.75. 723 00:44:56,280 --> 00:44:59,840 You want to try to avoid circular sparkings that just won't do you with a sex struggle. 724 00:45:10,150 --> 00:45:19,270 We have made some changes to the plan, specifically in regards to the geometry for the public street. 725 00:45:19,270 --> 00:45:26,070 So with this adjustment on the public street geometry, we did have to manipulate building 726 00:45:26,070 --> 00:45:31,610 placement, specifically building two, used to be, all the buildings used to be on the 727 00:45:31,610 --> 00:45:37,090 eastern side of that public street network. With the modification, the parking have 728 00:45:37,090 --> 00:45:44,030 you get adjusted a little bit. We are, I think at right around 1.73 parking ratio right now 729 00:45:44,030 --> 00:45:47,010 but I didn't want to acknowledge that to do all of that, 730 00:45:47,130 --> 00:45:48,570 because the middle we meet originally, 731 00:45:49,010 --> 00:45:51,530 has changed a bit based on the second-line 732 00:45:51,530 --> 00:45:53,570 geometry working with the engineering department, 733 00:45:53,870 --> 00:45:54,270 and the area. 734 00:45:55,970 --> 00:45:58,830 I would give short and sweet and happy to go into any questions 735 00:45:58,830 --> 00:46:00,730 that you may have, or clarify questions, 736 00:46:00,970 --> 00:46:02,630 and as well, if there's anything on the civil 737 00:46:02,630 --> 00:46:05,070 and the things that we have the answer 738 00:46:05,530 --> 00:46:06,450 from the mental standpoint. 739 00:46:07,130 --> 00:46:07,350 OK. 740 00:46:07,870 --> 00:46:08,190 Thank you. 741 00:46:08,270 --> 00:46:10,730 I'll finish with public hearing, and there's 742 00:46:10,730 --> 00:46:12,290 any questions or questions about that. 743 00:46:12,290 --> 00:46:15,830 Anyone else on item 7, 8, or 9? 744 00:46:17,390 --> 00:46:19,490 Please come forward, sit your name and address. 745 00:46:22,800 --> 00:46:27,540 We just wanted, okay, Brenda Garcia, 65, 37, 60, 746 00:46:27,660 --> 00:46:29,260 history, motion, Wisconsin. 747 00:46:30,120 --> 00:46:35,060 What about little Northeast corner, residential, 748 00:46:35,300 --> 00:46:41,220 rights, in with the whole complex, so they're surrounding us on two sites. 749 00:46:41,680 --> 00:46:48,280 And in a thing they were supposed to add some extra landscaping as a buffer zone. 750 00:46:49,060 --> 00:46:51,880 And we were just wondering what they did with that. 751 00:46:52,080 --> 00:46:53,680 It's on the second page. 752 00:46:58,170 --> 00:46:59,470 Okay, can we come up on this one? 753 00:47:00,050 --> 00:47:04,230 I do know that it was brought up in the staff report and we're happy to comply. 754 00:47:04,370 --> 00:47:05,590 We just don't have final plans. 755 00:47:05,850 --> 00:47:08,310 But you will confine with the staff on the original buffer. 756 00:47:08,490 --> 00:47:09,330 Oh, it's just to be sure. 757 00:47:09,470 --> 00:47:10,890 Yeah, where's that around here? 758 00:47:11,070 --> 00:47:12,330 Yeah, we did talk about that here. 759 00:47:12,330 --> 00:47:13,570 This is not an attack here. 760 00:47:13,670 --> 00:47:15,670 Are we going to keep all the vegetation on that color? 761 00:47:16,030 --> 00:47:16,230 Great. 762 00:47:16,450 --> 00:47:17,350 We need to keep that. 763 00:47:18,070 --> 00:47:18,470 Yeah. 764 00:47:18,730 --> 00:47:19,330 And I can do this. 765 00:47:19,510 --> 00:47:21,350 We still need to have some additional planting space. 766 00:47:21,490 --> 00:47:22,170 Let's lay this. 767 00:47:22,470 --> 00:47:22,650 Okay. 768 00:47:22,990 --> 00:47:23,110 Keep that. 769 00:47:23,310 --> 00:47:23,530 Okay. 770 00:47:27,090 --> 00:47:28,930 Anyone else that I have seven or eight or nine? 771 00:47:29,550 --> 00:47:30,750 Anyone else that I have seven or eight or nine? 772 00:47:30,750 --> 00:47:31,710 Anyone else that I have seven or eight or nine? 773 00:47:31,710 --> 00:47:31,730 Anyone else that I have seven or eight or nine? 774 00:47:32,010 --> 00:47:33,270 Close the culture and staff. 775 00:47:33,690 --> 00:47:36,130 So there are three items up for review this evening. 776 00:47:36,290 --> 00:47:39,790 The first item number seven is the condition use permit for the apartments. 777 00:47:40,410 --> 00:47:41,510 Again, this is the final. 778 00:47:41,510 --> 00:47:45,110 building elevations, site engineering, site labs, et cetera, 779 00:47:46,870 --> 00:47:51,790 336-unit apartment complex, items 8 and 9 are two certified survey maps. 780 00:47:52,390 --> 00:47:54,750 The first one is Andrews. 781 00:47:58,260 --> 00:48:04,320 One CSM is the South Loss, generally nine lows in South of this development site. 782 00:48:04,720 --> 00:48:10,460 Two Loss CSM to dedicate right away for future 70th porch north extension. 783 00:48:10,460 --> 00:48:24,560 and then the other certified survey map kind of shown on this plane here also would dedicate the north road way up to 60s-3 which would align generally with the neutral driveway would split that into two sites and dedicate the right way. 784 00:48:25,240 --> 00:48:29,160 I just want to address a couple of items that were brought up between the applicants and the neighbor. 785 00:48:29,760 --> 00:48:32,260 The building automation changes that were provided in this document. 786 00:48:32,260 --> 00:48:41,380 And essentially what can certain staff was under the ordinance to the same ability to not be either across from or another or adjacent to one another. 787 00:48:42,020 --> 00:48:46,760 The plans provided two different lay on the buildings and ended within their plans to show two different options. 788 00:48:47,500 --> 00:48:52,280 Those options weren't shown previously on here just by quick glance of this. 789 00:48:52,320 --> 00:48:58,640 It looks like we've addressed it, but I would just recommend that you want to let staff take a look at this over the next 30 days and buy the second hearing. 790 00:48:58,640 --> 00:49:02,240 hopefully we can have the workout but just a quick glance looks like this may 791 00:49:02,240 --> 00:49:07,000 comply so we will take a look at that. As the applicant mentioned there they have 792 00:49:07,000 --> 00:49:10,280 requested a part of the inception they are required they have two parking spaces 793 00:49:10,280 --> 00:49:15,640 per unit or at roughly 1.7. That conditions are established this evening we will 794 00:49:15,640 --> 00:49:19,860 bring that forward at the next hearing and we'll notify all properties within 100 feet. 795 00:49:20,480 --> 00:49:24,540 Staff would generally recommend approval of that exception based on unit 796 00:49:24,540 --> 00:49:26,680 in size as in number of parking spaces, anyhow. 797 00:49:27,300 --> 00:49:29,140 And then the last item is item two, 798 00:49:30,060 --> 00:49:32,460 condition two, G that would recommend to be established, 799 00:49:33,340 --> 00:49:35,460 states, the landscape plan must be meant to provide 800 00:49:35,460 --> 00:49:38,040 more ever-earned plantings along the adjacent residential properties, 801 00:49:38,640 --> 00:49:41,180 west and south, lot lines at the northeast corner of the south, 802 00:49:41,440 --> 00:49:44,860 so the neighbors can certainly insert that condition, 803 00:49:45,100 --> 00:49:46,700 hopefully, just get the more ever-earned plantings 804 00:49:46,700 --> 00:49:48,180 just to get a little more of a buffer screen 805 00:49:48,660 --> 00:49:50,080 from the apartments to the west, not sure. 806 00:49:50,520 --> 00:49:52,580 So we would recommend the establishment conditions 807 00:49:52,580 --> 00:50:01,160 for the C&P and approval of these two certified certified certified certified maps and it's also 808 00:50:01,160 --> 00:50:06,700 referenced in the conditional use permit is there will be a future developer's agreement that will 809 00:50:06,700 --> 00:50:13,220 be coming forward. There's multiple public improvements that will be made with this. One of them being 810 00:50:13,220 --> 00:50:24,520 the extension of 70th Court from 67th Street or 60th Street, there'll be a traffic light 811 00:50:24,520 --> 00:50:30,140 that they'll be installing and then there'll also be some utility extensions that they 812 00:50:30,140 --> 00:50:31,920 will have to do all as a part of this. 813 00:50:32,440 --> 00:50:38,060 This is kind of the first step and then they'll come back at a future date with the actual 814 00:50:38,060 --> 00:50:41,940 developers agreement and all that we needed before they could start anything. 815 00:50:44,280 --> 00:50:57,140 Just to Brian's point earlier on the variation in the scheme and type, I know you got kind 816 00:50:57,140 --> 00:50:59,640 of the various colors and you've got these marked. 817 00:51:01,220 --> 00:51:06,640 I think it would be very helpful at least to me and hopefully to staff when this comes 818 00:51:06,640 --> 00:51:12,040 back is, you know, all of these are all black and white, so it's kind of hard to... 819 00:51:12,040 --> 00:51:18,280 Happy to commit to that. I apologize for the brevity and giving this to you all last minute, 820 00:51:18,420 --> 00:51:22,560 but we didn't want to provide some high-level visual on the articulation, but we'd be happy 821 00:51:22,560 --> 00:51:26,400 to bring color validation so you can see the differential type I said. 822 00:51:26,740 --> 00:51:32,880 So this is, for me, it's just easier to see whether or not there's any other changes 823 00:51:32,880 --> 00:51:36,540 is that this body may want to make, as it relates to that, 824 00:51:36,660 --> 00:51:37,820 it just will make it oval. 825 00:51:40,480 --> 00:51:44,360 And then as far as the parking pieces, 826 00:51:45,980 --> 00:51:47,960 yeah, I think it's up to this vision, 827 00:51:48,260 --> 00:51:52,920 but I'm, you know, this is one of those plenty of space here. 828 00:51:53,080 --> 00:51:54,880 You know, a lot of times we look at these if there's, 829 00:51:55,080 --> 00:51:59,600 you know, this is kind of a, you know, 830 00:51:59,660 --> 00:52:03,980 more urban narrow area where we kind of, 831 00:52:03,980 --> 00:52:06,120 I would be more inclined to grant relief. 832 00:52:06,340 --> 00:52:17,020 I just don't know if that's right thing to do in this particular development, but that's just my opinion that's ultimately up to the commissioners. 833 00:52:17,160 --> 00:52:26,640 But I would think we would not want to grant relief on that, just give them more to add the fact that there's plenty of space here in order to do that. 834 00:52:26,640 --> 00:52:32,380 One extra piece of detail that maybe we can elaborate on for the next session is just sharing 835 00:52:32,380 --> 00:52:38,880 that overall with the home types that we have in the bedroom counts, half of the homes 836 00:52:38,880 --> 00:52:41,140 on-site are either student or one bedroom apartments. 837 00:52:42,160 --> 00:52:46,580 So that is, I mean, of the comfort level that we have internally in managing our portfolio, 838 00:52:46,840 --> 00:52:51,240 multi-familial communities, given the fact that there's a heavy amount of either one bedroom 839 00:52:51,240 --> 00:52:58,640 homes for studio apartment homes. It helps to offset very close, I guess, and we're happy 840 00:52:58,640 --> 00:53:04,840 to add any additional. How many, how many, two and three better than one? Two, I have 841 00:53:04,840 --> 00:53:09,740 a number here. So we've got, it's roughly 38 stations, they're roughly, three spot on 38 842 00:53:09,740 --> 00:53:16,500 percent, one bedroom, 38 percent, two bedrooms, so it's an equal mix of both. 12 percent of 843 00:53:20,260 --> 00:53:26,710 I appreciate the detail, I know the changes might come in, but I do appreciate the details. 844 00:53:28,190 --> 00:53:29,190 Any commissioners? 845 00:53:29,490 --> 00:53:30,950 I'll go wrong and share it. 846 00:53:31,290 --> 00:53:32,190 This is in my district. 847 00:53:33,290 --> 00:53:33,610 Thank you. 848 00:53:34,750 --> 00:53:35,750 68 Avenue. 849 00:53:36,050 --> 00:53:37,930 Are you paying for 68 Avenue? 850 00:53:38,890 --> 00:53:40,140 The public infrastructure. 851 00:53:41,970 --> 00:53:43,110 And where does it go? 852 00:53:43,710 --> 00:53:44,930 Because it's not there, right? 853 00:53:45,130 --> 00:53:45,630 There's no one. 854 00:53:50,570 --> 00:53:54,890 We're not showing future fees in here that goes down, but it's part of a larger plan. 855 00:53:55,230 --> 00:54:00,150 I think it is maybe to have all the way to get part of the CSM, it shows it will go from 856 00:54:00,150 --> 00:54:06,070 60th Street to 60th Street, or 60th Street, to 60th Street, which is, then I show all the way 857 00:54:06,070 --> 00:54:07,410 to 75th 858 00:54:18,480 --> 00:54:18,480 Street. 859 00:54:18,480 --> 00:54:25,260 Thanks for the presentation and thanks for the market rate, I appreciate market rate. 860 00:54:34,460 --> 00:54:44,020 I don't see anything that bothers me for sure. I know this has been in the works for a while. 861 00:54:45,300 --> 00:54:55,120 As far as parking the old staff was good with reducing the amount to 1.7, that corrects 862 00:54:55,120 --> 00:54:59,100 that from the two places to 1.7. 863 00:54:59,280 --> 00:55:03,160 According to their letter, there's a 1.70 spaces per unit. 864 00:55:03,480 --> 00:55:08,720 I think so the letter, this is the part I wanted the clarification on the 1.78 was on the 865 00:55:08,720 --> 00:55:14,860 previous the middle was the adjusted geometry for meeting with engineering they grew up right 866 00:55:14,860 --> 00:55:16,700 around a 1.73 right now. 867 00:55:17,560 --> 00:55:21,100 And staff was good when you're good with that to the exemption. I think we would support 868 00:55:21,100 --> 00:55:21,700 that house. 869 00:55:24,080 --> 00:55:26,780 Well, would that send a make a motion to approval? 870 00:55:29,330 --> 00:55:30,250 I would say I can. 871 00:55:39,300 --> 00:55:39,980 Yes, I would. 872 00:55:40,020 --> 00:55:40,560 No question. 873 00:55:41,680 --> 00:55:42,780 Is this what's going to look like? 874 00:55:44,100 --> 00:55:44,500 Yes. 875 00:55:44,780 --> 00:55:46,400 And again, I'm happy to bring in. 876 00:55:46,540 --> 00:55:47,400 We can bring in some color. 877 00:55:47,400 --> 00:55:53,720 Yeah, and because I'm looking at the reply in there and I think that the reply is staggered. 878 00:55:54,660 --> 00:55:58,860 There's certain piece of litter staggered, but from a pedestrian level you don't really see that 879 00:55:58,860 --> 00:56:06,780 the larger reply that's being reflected on the on the top key. You wouldn't necessarily see much of that from a pedestrian first of all perspective. 880 00:56:07,240 --> 00:56:14,440 And obviously there's a little storage, right? There's no elevators. No elevators, so it's a combination of private and 881 00:56:14,440 --> 00:56:16,040 and semi-private assets. 882 00:56:16,520 --> 00:56:19,100 So all the first floor loans are accessed 883 00:56:19,100 --> 00:56:21,440 from direct private entries. 884 00:56:21,960 --> 00:56:23,480 Second floor loan share is somewhat, 885 00:56:23,600 --> 00:56:24,600 we call it semi-private, 886 00:56:24,720 --> 00:56:26,380 because there's just a set of stairs up 887 00:56:26,380 --> 00:56:28,840 to a landing of the sports homes 888 00:56:28,840 --> 00:56:30,620 that would share the entry picture. 889 00:56:30,940 --> 00:56:33,400 Okay, and as you said, 890 00:56:33,780 --> 00:56:38,820 the 38% of our bedrooms are those most in the second floor. 891 00:56:39,260 --> 00:56:41,740 As a combination of both floors, 892 00:56:41,740 --> 00:56:45,960 So they look and feel very generally it's like a staff department. 893 00:56:46,100 --> 00:56:49,560 So what's happening in the first floor is very similar to what's directly above. 894 00:56:50,360 --> 00:56:53,700 And what's, uh, and you said, you know, three bedrooms do it, okay? 895 00:56:56,170 --> 00:56:56,970 I want a little more discussion. 896 00:56:57,110 --> 00:56:57,510 Thank you. 897 00:56:57,790 --> 00:56:57,950 Yeah. 898 00:56:58,030 --> 00:56:58,910 Thank you. 899 00:57:00,850 --> 00:57:06,750 Chair of the applicant, uh, as it relates to this parking issue, do you have any statistics 900 00:57:06,750 --> 00:57:14,350 from your portfolio as it relates to how many people are living in your two or and 901 00:57:14,350 --> 00:57:15,570 or free-backed? 902 00:57:15,730 --> 00:57:16,170 Yes. 903 00:57:16,670 --> 00:57:22,470 What we do is kind of please have those on record as well as who is applying as a licensed 904 00:57:22,470 --> 00:57:26,790 driver that they provide that information as well so we can come prepared with additional 905 00:57:26,790 --> 00:57:27,350 clarification. 906 00:57:27,850 --> 00:57:35,430 And that may help us weigh some of the concerns about reducing the parking from the 2.73. 907 00:57:36,410 --> 00:57:41,670 If we learn that x percent of your 2 and 3 bedrooms are still only occupied by one individual 908 00:57:41,670 --> 00:57:45,150 and they want a home officer, whatever. 909 00:57:46,270 --> 00:57:47,850 Yeah, I can see it that way. 910 00:57:50,870 --> 00:57:52,010 I prefer, just 911 00:57:54,090 --> 00:57:58,170 a question, is that is it going to be a separate item? 912 00:57:59,010 --> 00:57:59,690 The relief? 913 00:57:59,970 --> 00:58:01,130 Yes, so it's going to come back. 914 00:58:01,310 --> 00:58:02,510 At the next meeting, that's the next meeting. 915 00:58:03,030 --> 00:58:06,350 Or, well, in 30 days, it will come back when this comes back, 916 00:58:06,710 --> 00:58:07,870 it'll be on that agenda. 917 00:58:09,770 --> 00:58:12,710 Is it put out of the bill, just be it a separate agenda? 918 00:58:12,710 --> 00:58:13,470 and I had more questions. 919 00:58:19,780 --> 00:58:20,740 Anybody else? 920 00:58:26,000 --> 00:58:26,280 Almost. 921 00:58:26,640 --> 00:58:28,500 Was that just on 2007 in your motion? 922 00:58:29,500 --> 00:58:29,800 I know. 923 00:58:30,100 --> 00:58:31,140 78 in that. 924 00:58:33,370 --> 00:58:33,790 So I'm going to make sure. 925 00:58:34,090 --> 00:58:34,150 Yes. 926 00:58:35,690 --> 00:58:36,890 Any further discussion? 927 00:58:37,910 --> 00:58:38,150 Sure. 928 00:58:39,250 --> 00:58:39,510 Yeah. 929 00:58:39,610 --> 00:58:43,370 Did you have to get the, you know, there's neighbors at smoke and neighbors that live in the area. 930 00:58:43,370 --> 00:58:50,910 So, when this gets all through when construction starts and make sure that you keep them up 931 00:58:50,910 --> 00:58:57,870 to date them, you know, with dust and trunks and bleak cautious in the ice-coaster street. 932 00:58:58,150 --> 00:58:58,530 I love it. 933 00:58:58,650 --> 00:58:59,150 I don't know. 934 00:58:59,150 --> 00:58:59,270 I don't know. 935 00:58:59,490 --> 00:59:03,950 It's blind as to whether or not you need that direct communication with you. 936 00:59:04,050 --> 00:59:05,710 Otherwise, I would be having it around the time. 937 00:59:05,930 --> 00:59:07,270 She's out of the oven. 938 00:59:07,490 --> 00:59:10,870 She is enjoying some well-needed ETL, but she's having it for two weeks. 939 00:59:11,070 --> 00:59:14,190 So if I could just be thinking of your context and how we should be in trouble. 940 00:59:15,270 --> 00:59:15,970 I won't go ahead. 941 00:59:16,870 --> 00:59:21,670 If you've done projects, if you guys don't project this before elsewhere, where? 942 00:59:22,450 --> 00:59:27,470 All over the United States, I would say the closest and we've done projects right 943 00:59:27,470 --> 00:59:29,150 in South Eastern Wisconsin. 944 00:59:29,490 --> 00:59:37,630 We have a similar with the branded type in Cottage Grove in Madison, but we have near-ten 945 00:59:38,330 --> 00:59:43,170 projects communities that are right here within Wisconsin, but we have a very heavy presence 946 00:59:43,170 --> 00:59:54,410 in Florida, the Carolina's, Texas, Denver, so we do have a free healthy portfolio and a lot of president feedbacks that we base our decisions on. 947 00:59:54,790 --> 00:59:59,050 So the management of the apartment zone will be under your jurisdiction. 948 01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:05,300 All of us. We, we, all may not operate the committee. Thank you. Thank you. 949 01:00:06,100 --> 01:00:14,400 Anyone else? No. Motion for is a call. 7, 8, and 9. All of the very say, aye, aye. Any vote? 950 01:00:15,060 --> 01:00:17,880 Chair, vote aye. Thank you all very much. 951 01:00:18,140 --> 01:00:24,080 Number 10. Item number 10. Development agreement between the city and Kenel Shem, Kenel Shem, 952 01:00:24,080 --> 01:00:27,600 in favor of utility and tax and the LLC with property 953 01:00:27,600 --> 01:00:31,060 in order to hit the street and use the 52nd Avenue 954 01:00:31,060 --> 01:00:32,840 district 10th public hearing. 955 01:00:33,740 --> 01:00:35,720 Recommendation, staff recommendation is made 956 01:00:35,720 --> 01:00:36,660 to approve the agreement. 957 01:00:38,240 --> 01:00:40,500 Hey, if this time hold on, I'll show a public hearing. 958 01:00:41,120 --> 01:00:42,840 Anyone here speak at the item number 10 959 01:00:43,380 --> 01:00:44,960 who's before we continue to ask? 960 01:00:46,520 --> 01:00:48,100 I'm going to do that on the big work time 961 01:00:48,100 --> 01:00:50,120 with the very listening group of the 11th 962 01:00:50,120 --> 01:00:52,560 to be in street, just to hear the question. 963 01:00:55,440 --> 01:00:57,040 Anyone else who do not attend? 964 01:00:57,640 --> 01:00:58,220 Anyone else? 965 01:00:58,540 --> 01:00:59,440 Anyone else who have seen none? 966 01:01:00,420 --> 01:01:01,000 Pulsed on the committee? 967 01:01:01,240 --> 01:01:01,340 Yeah. 968 01:01:01,920 --> 01:01:04,680 This agreement was required as a condition 969 01:01:04,680 --> 01:01:06,480 out there, conditional use permit, 970 01:01:06,800 --> 01:01:09,280 as well as the certified survey map. 971 01:01:09,600 --> 01:01:13,140 So it addresses public improvements that they are required 972 01:01:13,140 --> 01:01:14,220 to install. 973 01:01:15,500 --> 01:01:17,620 We would recommend approval of this, as well, 974 01:01:17,620 --> 01:01:22,220 also have the public works form water, water board, and then all the power 975 01:01:22,220 --> 01:01:23,700 counsels were approved. 976 01:01:24,420 --> 01:01:25,540 Thank you so much. 977 01:01:26,180 --> 01:01:26,540 I 978 01:01:28,880 --> 01:01:29,980 need to approve some more. 979 01:01:30,260 --> 01:01:30,760 Second. 980 01:01:31,280 --> 01:01:33,580 We need to approve any discretion. 981 01:01:34,940 --> 01:01:36,600 Seeing none, all is in favor say aye. 982 01:01:36,860 --> 01:01:37,340 Aye, aye. 983 01:01:37,580 --> 01:01:37,980 Any opposed? 984 01:01:38,920 --> 01:01:39,600 Motion here. 985 01:01:40,420 --> 01:01:41,500 I have three letters. 986 01:01:47,640 --> 01:01:51,400 Item number 11, request to initiate the rezoning of property at 987 01:01:51,400 --> 01:01:58,580 Board to close to 24th Street from 8 to 8 in Cultural Land Holding District to RS one single family residential district. 988 01:01:58,960 --> 01:02:05,400 Sanders District 5 Public Hearing Recommendation and San Frickations made the City Plan Commission to initiate 989 01:02:05,400 --> 01:02:07,700 rezoning and schedule a public hearing. 990 01:02:08,360 --> 01:02:09,980 It's time well for up to a public hearing. 991 01:02:10,520 --> 01:02:14,660 Anyone here speaking on number 11, anyone here speak, anyone here speak the same number. 992 01:02:17,700 --> 01:02:23,120 The applicant or the property owner has requested an attachment to the city so they can connect 993 01:02:23,120 --> 01:02:29,880 their existing home to sewer and water service because it comes in as a cultural we're asking 994 01:02:29,880 --> 01:02:35,360 the plant permission to initiate the rezoning to single family if you concur with this 995 01:02:35,360 --> 01:02:41,640 work on the next agenda and I would also indicate the older man Lamakia had contacted me and 996 01:02:41,640 --> 01:02:54,030 I want to pass on to the court says any commissioners to approve any discussion. 997 01:02:55,090 --> 01:02:56,970 Seeing none, all of us will be able to say aye. 998 01:02:57,750 --> 01:02:58,210 Any opposed? 999 01:02:58,950 --> 01:02:59,770 Chair votes, aye. 1000 01:03:00,830 --> 01:03:06,230 commissioners comments, I just want to welcome back to this commission, my good friend. 1001 01:03:07,470 --> 01:03:14,890 Mitchell Peterson. Most of you may not know. Mitchell Peterson was former 1002 01:03:14,890 --> 01:03:19,150 older than the Peterson. The phenomenal job is an older man and certainly this 1003 01:03:19,990 --> 01:03:24,830 capacity and this commission and various capacities have passed them. Very 1004 01:03:24,830 --> 01:03:32,330 excited to have him and his experience and just all around good person. I appreciate 1005 01:03:32,330 --> 01:03:33,470 to have him back on here. 1006 01:03:33,970 --> 01:03:39,790 Just also note, although we saw all of them 1007 01:03:39,790 --> 01:03:42,130 in the house, the earlier he or she will also be back 1008 01:03:42,130 --> 01:03:44,930 in this committee, we have to actually formally 1009 01:03:44,930 --> 01:03:48,730 appoint him or I, the council does the next meeting. 1010 01:03:48,950 --> 01:03:50,510 So he will be part of this commission, 1011 01:03:51,270 --> 01:03:54,750 just couldn't get that done before all 1012 01:03:54,750 --> 01:03:57,270 the last council meeting, but all of them in the house 1013 01:03:57,270 --> 01:03:59,530 will be the council, council president, 1014 01:03:59,530 --> 01:04:02,870 but does it need, he would be serving back in this case 1015 01:04:02,870 --> 01:04:04,870 just for everybody to know what we're going to do. 1016 01:04:05,110 --> 01:04:06,990 So welcome back, Mitch. 1017 01:04:07,150 --> 01:04:07,390 Thank you. 1018 01:04:08,090 --> 01:04:09,290 Any other commissioners? 1019 01:04:09,930 --> 01:04:13,730 We'll put your second to adjourn all of them and say hi. 1020 01:04:13,850 --> 01:04:15,850 Hi, I'm just going to hand them to you. 1021 01:04:16,050 --> 01:04:16,590 Thank you, everybody.