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» That's right. We needed to do that for

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tonight, didn't we?

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>> I was waiting for

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you.

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» Tell you what,

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I feel I'm supportive of it.

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How many people say

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noticing

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staff really supports it because there's

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guess just that the measurements don't

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really match up

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at the same time we take you know at

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their word they place 10 ft

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>> but we could also ask Neil to go look at

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>> sending like verification or something

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talk to them directly a while ago and it

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sounded like something else you However,

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we need to get

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>> This needs to be on the record. Whatever

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you're going to do about this.

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>> Okay.

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>> Thank you for the information. Bring it

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into the record.

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» May I be let in?

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>> Who needs to come in?

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>> Just me.

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>> Oh,

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hey.

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That was enough.

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» Oh my god.

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» Yeah.

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>> He just handed it to me.

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>> I feel like this is this was Matt's

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throwing away gift.

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>> Oh, that

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be

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August. This is definitely July. Sorry.

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This is not You don't have to read this.

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» Oh, you didn't. Okay. We did not. Oh, so

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it's a good idea to read the read. This

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>> Yeah. Okay. I'll read the whole thing.

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It's fine.

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>> Whatever.

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That's fine. That's number one.

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It's going to be tough. Okay. Are we

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ready? Anybody in the waiting room?

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Going to call to order the Wednesday,

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September 16th town council meeting. Um,

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and I want to welcome those who are

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visiting us on Zoom.

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didn't put the pledge of allegiance

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since we are in person. We haven't had

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that on here for a while. So, could I

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make an amendment to the agenda uh to do

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the pledge of allegiance?

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>> Do we need a motion?

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pledge of allegiance to the American

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flag.

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>> Is there a second? I second.

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>> All those in favor?

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>> Okay. Well, let's do the pledge of

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allegiance.

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>> I pledge to the flag of the United

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States of America and to the republic

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for which it stands, one nation under

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God, indivisible, with liberty and

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justice for all.

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>> I think we haven't done that so long.

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Glad I still remember it. [laughter]

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Okay. All right. Um, if I would do a

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moment of silence, I I just want to read

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something that I received in the mail.

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Here I am again. The first anniversary

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of the tragic death of James Everett

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Anderson. February 1st, 2009.

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September 9th or excuse me, September

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21st, 2025

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is approaching and bringing to mind the event of that evening. James would

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have been starting his senior year at

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Wheaton High School with a great future

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ahead of him. I hope and pray the safety

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for pedestrians project at University

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Boulevard West is still on your to-do

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list. Sincerely, Teresa Lip Pike. Lips

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her writing. It's Lipsky, the grieving

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great grandmother of James. So, as his

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one-year anniversary of his death

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approaches us, let's keep him in mind.

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Is there anything else that we would

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like to remember?

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Okay, we can just bow our heads for a

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if maybe we should send a note back to

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Miss uh Lipsky and letting her know

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where we are

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you um the card and her address. Yep.

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>> Okay. All right. Uh we have the approval

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of minutes. Um everybody received um

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this long list of minutes. We will go

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one by one to approve them. I think you

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captured everything on the minutes. We

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had a few uh but not too many on all of

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to add the motions.

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>> All right. Uh could I get a motion to

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approve the confidential close session

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minutes for uh June 4th?

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confidential close session minutes from

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June 4th, 2026. Is there a second?

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organizational minute meetings from July

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15th, 2026.

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>> Is there a second?

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>> All those in favor?

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>> Okay. Town council meeting on July 15th.

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>> I move that we approve the town council

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meeting minutes of July 15th, 2026.

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>> all those all those in favor?

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uh special town meeting minutes for um

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excuse me for the public close session

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minutes for September 11th.

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>> I move that we approve the special town

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meeting minutes from September 11th,

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2026.

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>> Is there a second?

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>> A second. All those in favor?

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meeting minutes for September 11th. move

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that we approve the public close session

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minute uh meeting minutes from September

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11th, 2026.

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closed session minutes of September 11,

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right. The first item on the agenda is

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the announcement of a violation and oral

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summary of open meetings compliance

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board decision 20cb-265.

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All right. The announcement of violation

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of summary and of opinion 20 OCB-265

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2026. This announcement and summary are

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provided as required in section 32-2-211

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of the general provisions anointed code

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of Maryland. Various complaints were

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filed by a resident against the town

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with the open meetings compliance board

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under the open meeting act related to

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closed sessions, notice minutes, closing

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statements, and the public's right to

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attend meetings. The board found the

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town council violated section 3-302 and

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section 3-303

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by failing in several meeting notices to

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make clear that the body would meet

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first in open session before convening

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in a closed session. Section 3-302

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A by A by failing to use the reasonable

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method of making an agenda available to

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the public before a meeting section

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3-305D

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by omitting request details and by

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declining the resident request to

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inspect a written closing statement the

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morning after the meeting. section 3-305

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D6 by failing to post written closing

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statements online when it was practical

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to do so and section 3-306 by failing to

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post minutes online when it was

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practable to do so and by admitting

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required details from one set of

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The board suggested that the notices of

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open sessions convene only to go into a

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closed session more explicitly state

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that the council will meet in open

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session before closing a meeting, such

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as including the following. The council

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will meet in open session only for the

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purpose of voting to close its meeting

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to discuss matters that the open

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meetings act permits it to be it to

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discuss in close session. The town will

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adopt a suggestion. The board found the

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town did not violate the act in the

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manner in which it provided notice for

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the May 7th, 2025 meeting notice or the

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January 5th, 2026 meeting notice. That

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notice on June 4th, 2026 close session

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was compliant, that there was no

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violation based on the complaint that

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the June 4, 2026 meeting agenda lacked

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an item for approval of the minutes of

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the May 18th, 2026 open session. no

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violation that the May 7, 2025 agenda

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did not provide a reason for why the

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town council intended to convene in

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close session as this is not required

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and no finding with respect to whether

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the council prepared written closing

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statements before entering close

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sessions. I am required to make this

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statement by law but it is not an

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admission of a violation of the open

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meetings act by the town.

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>> Mayor, if you could pass the down both

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» Joe.

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had questions or if uh that was a uh

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invitation to the audience.

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>> Okay. Um I you know I've read the

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opinion of the board and uh um I find

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this to be a disappointing development

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that doesn't speak very well to the

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health of local democracy in Kensington.

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I also say that uh Alcar deserves a good

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deal of credit for bringing the

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complaints to the attention of the open

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meetings compliance board. This could

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not have been a very popular move, but

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I'm glad it was done because it did um

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it did uh [sighs]

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identify several violations and and

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repeat violations and it this whole

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opinion is is um is very thorough and

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it's worth reading closely. I have a

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couple of questions, mayor. Uh, simply,

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how did this happen?

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With whom does responsibility for these

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violations uh reside? Is it is it with

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the town attorney for not properly

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providing adequate legal counsel and

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guidance to the to the town council?

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Does it reside with the former town

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manager for failing in an oversight

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capacity to make sure the staff and

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council fulfill provisions of the open

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meetings act or or does it principally

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reside with the mayor for being

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unfamiliar with the requirements of the

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open meetings act? I ask these questions

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because you know at the local level town

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representatives

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are or ought to be very transparent and

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accountable to towns people whom they

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represent. Accountability of course is a

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key element of a healthy local democracy

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and this detailed ruling which deserves

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to be closely read by everybody on the

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council um describing multiple

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violations is is is a symptom I think of

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the unhealthy state of local democracy

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in Kensington.

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So um and it's not like open meetings

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act guidance or even coursework is is

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hard to track down. The Maryland

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Municipal League, as you know, offers

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courses and instruction and and guidance

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on this very frequently. So, I'm I'm

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curious as to how this happened. How did

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this happen?

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Joe, uh,

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your your questions are very valid and I

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appreciate I think everybody up here

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agrees that transparency and following

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all of the rules are what we are

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attempting to do every single day. I do

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encourage everybody to read it. It is,

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you know, the uh OMCB goes to great

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lengths to make people aware of how the

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Open Meetings Act is meant to function.

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And what we attempted to do, some of the

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alleged violations, which were

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unfounded, were simple oversightes. We

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did not post something on our website

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exactly in the time frame that we were

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supposed to. We, you know, we

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acknowledge that we are working to

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improve those processes. Um, we had

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agendas for a meeting

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inside of the agenda for another

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meeting. Again,

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you know, those are things that can get

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cleaned up. I don't think there's

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anything nefarious that was being done.

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There was nothing trying to be hidden.

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We were working quickly. Um, you know,

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errors happened. Uh, appreciate that it

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was brought to our attention so that we

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can improve. We're always looking to

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improve, Joe. And um I think your

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questions are extremely valid. We take

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it all very very seriously. I know

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everybody has read the OMCB opinion,

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right? We have inquired uh to the town

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attorney to make sure that our processes

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are improving. Um, I sat with the town

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attorney and the mayor to go over the

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checklist that we have to do for closing

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statements to make sure that it is fully

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up to date, that it is compliant, that

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it is got all of the information not

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just of OMCB but also the attorney

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general's recommendations and we are

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folding in areas that we were advised

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could be better um that are clearer that

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allow us to do things in the meeting in

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the moment so that our our clerk can

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capture

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all the activities

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as they are being discussed and we can

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have the documents ready. Um so to that

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I say you know we accept every of every

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one of the recommendations inside of the

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opinion

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and we are putting in the processes to

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improve it.

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Okay.

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All well and good but uh really doesn't

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answer the questions I had as to how

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this happened. Where does primary

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responsibility rest for these

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violations?

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I it's a simple question and and uh I

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think it's a straightforward uh

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straightforward question as well.

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» Yeah. I mean um

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as the elected body, the primary

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responsibility resides with us, Joe.

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That's why we are here to tell you we

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accept it. Uh the mayor read the opinion

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statement. Um, we're working to improve

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those processes. I mean, there's, you

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know, we, for lack of better

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terminology, we own it. We are the

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council. Uh, we have oversight of it. We

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have, you know, we are the governing

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body. It it resides with us.

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One last question. And isn't there a a

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member of the town council, perhaps it's

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the mayor, who is um has had training in

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the open meetings act and its

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requirements

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and is essentially the open meetings act

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point person for the council and um if

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there is no point person, will there be

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one designated to keep this kind of

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thing from happening again?

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>> So to your point, the Maryland Municipal

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League provides training. I think a

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number of us have been through it. Um I

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speaking for myself I've been through

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it. Um

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with regard to yes the the immediate sit

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down after receiving the opinion was how

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can we improve our processes right

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starting with the checklist starting

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with how an agenda is formated uh

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formulated starting with um adding

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additional information to the agenda to

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ensure that the public knows that when a

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meeting is being held solely for closed

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purposes that it will be open first,

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right? These are seemingly small things,

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but these are now things that we are

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building into our processes so that the

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agenda for those meetings reflect all of

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the necessary information and that the

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closing statement form and you know,

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checklist we go through. It has all of

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the required parts and updated our

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process so that we as a council with the

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mayor and the clerk will go through the

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closing statement as a matter of the

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agenda and we will have it completed so

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that it is prepared at the end of that

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closing meeting. So we are we're

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addressing all of those things and I do

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I appreciate you you know bringing it up

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uh and and asking your questions.

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>> Yeah, thank you. Uh, who though on the

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council is the point person on

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compliance matters with the open

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meetings act? Is there is somebody on

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the council been trained and is

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designated as the point person? Is it

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the mayor? Is it one of the council

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members?

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>> Yes.

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>> Yeah. I was just confirming um you know

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I've received training. I think many of

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us have received training from MML. Um

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it is offered routinely. We will, you

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know, I think as the MML meeting cycle

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comes back around, right, it's great to

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go back in and have a refresher. Um,

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there's no requirement to have an

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appointed person between the council who

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is responsible for the activities of

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this body. We are all making a

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commitment to seeing that the opinion is

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held up and we have a clerk who is going

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to be keeping that record for us.

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>> Okay, let me just try one more time. If

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council members have

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>> there's nobody directly appointed Joe if

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that is your question as a body entirely

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we are doing it

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>> is I if [laughter] if council members

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have received MML training on the open

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meetings act then why did this happen

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how did this happen was why were

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provisions

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>> not respected of the open meetings act

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>> Joe um

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>> I can't get an answer I mean I've asked

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this several times I can't get a

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straight

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>> you don't like the answer you're getting

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>> I don't get a straight answer to the

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question answer there were errors made

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errors were made.

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>> How were they made? Why were they made?

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There were meetings that were occurring

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on Zoom, right? Where

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>> because there is no place to meet, we

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were meeting electronically and we put

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that into the agenda. That wasn't

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actually a violation. We put a Zoom

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meeting out, people knew, but being able

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to post things when we are not in the

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same building, right? We we did not get

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things in the time that the OCNB

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guidelines, the open meetings act

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guidelines ask us to.

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Those are things that we are

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traditionally in person. Um but when we

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don't meet, those are new processes that

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we have to improve, right? That's how

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things happen. We are working in a way

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that is a little bit atypical from our traditional style of being here in

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person. Um we will work to improve that.

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Okay. I don't see any other hands.

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Council, do you have any questions?

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Good.

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>> No, it's it's fully signed with town

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attorney.

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>> Okay.

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Excellent. Thank you. All right. Uh a uh

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we want to uh recognize or acknowledge

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that um our uh facilities manager

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Shirley Watson has um had her 30y year

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anniversary of service to the town. And

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we want to thank Shirley for all of

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those years. Uh and on B, uh Susan

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Engel, our clerk treasurer. This is her

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25th year of service to the town of

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Kensington, and we would like to

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acknowledge that as well. Sienna, way to

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go.

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» Thank you.

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>> Okay. Um, number C, uh, the mayor and

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council held a special town council

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meeting on the purpose of the closed

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session on Friday, September 11th,

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pursuant to the general, uh, provision

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article section 3-305B1

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uh, and seven close session code of

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Maryland discussion the following uh,

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appointment, employment, assignment,

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promotion, discipline, demotion,

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compensation, removal, resignation or

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performance evalu Valuation of employees

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of appointees, employees or officials

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over whom it was has jurisdiction or any

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other personal matter that affects one

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or more Pacific individual specifically

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to discuss the process to fill the town

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manager position. Number two, a separate

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employee issue involving a Pacific

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individual and to consult with council

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to obtain legal advice concerning same.

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Three, close session public m minutes

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are attached.

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Any questions from the council or the

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on TV?

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Okay. All right. Number three, 10311

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Summit a Avenue variance hearing. Uh,

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Alex, do you want to take that one?

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>> Sure. So, it looks like the homeowners,

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um, Kevin D and Christy Cavalado are on

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the call. They're requesting um a

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variance for the northeast corner of

555
00:24:50,640 --> 00:24:52,159
their property. There's been a rear

556
00:24:52,159 --> 00:24:55,279
edition u a screen in deck in the

557
00:24:55,279 --> 00:24:57,919
backyard and uh the variance is for an

558
00:24:57,919 --> 00:25:01,760
encroachment of about 6 in in that rear

559
00:25:01,760 --> 00:25:04,960
corner of the property

560
00:25:04,960 --> 00:25:06,799
and they're on the call uh if you have

561
00:25:06,799 --> 00:25:07,840
any questions.

562
00:25:07,840 --> 00:25:09,520
>> Okay,

563
00:25:09,520 --> 00:25:11,360
council, do you have any questions?

564
00:25:11,360 --> 00:25:14,159
There was some issues regarding the

565
00:25:14,159 --> 00:25:16,880
couple of inches. Is that correct?

566
00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:19,440
>> Um, yes. Let me ask of the homeowners

567
00:25:19,440 --> 00:25:21,440
first. So, Christy and Kevin, uh, hey,

568
00:25:21,440 --> 00:25:22,320
welcome back.

569
00:25:22,320 --> 00:25:23,120
>> Hi.

570
00:25:23,120 --> 00:25:24,240
>> Been a little while.

571
00:25:24,240 --> 00:25:24,720
>> Um,

572
00:25:24,720 --> 00:25:26,320
>> thanks for, uh, taking the time to

573
00:25:26,320 --> 00:25:27,679
consider our request.

574
00:25:27,679 --> 00:25:30,000
>> Yeah. Um,

575
00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:32,559
the I was looking at the aerial photo.

576
00:25:32,559 --> 00:25:34,720
Is So, the screen porch is just going

577
00:25:34,720 --> 00:25:36,000
over where you have some of the concrete

578
00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:37,120
padding now.

579
00:25:37,120 --> 00:25:40,240
>> Yes. It's it's uh basically in line with

580
00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:42,559
our pro with our our home just moving

581
00:25:42,559 --> 00:25:44,799
straight back. The only reason we have

582
00:25:44,799 --> 00:25:47,120
the encroachment is because like our our

583
00:25:47,120 --> 00:25:49,919
house is 90 degrees perpendicular to the

584
00:25:49,919 --> 00:25:53,679
road, but our lot is caned. So just the

585
00:25:53,679 --> 00:25:56,080
very back end of of of the screen in

586
00:25:56,080 --> 00:25:58,960
porch would encroach within the 10 the

587
00:25:58,960 --> 00:26:01,679
town's 10-ft uh limit

588
00:26:01,679 --> 00:26:02,640
>> by six inches.

589
00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:03,679
>> Yes.

590
00:26:03,679 --> 00:26:05,760
>> Yeah. How what how dare you build a

591
00:26:05,760 --> 00:26:07,039
house that is not perfectly

592
00:26:07,039 --> 00:26:10,320
perpendicular to your side lot? Um

593
00:26:10,320 --> 00:26:11,919
>> then everyone's houses would be crooked

594
00:26:11,919 --> 00:26:15,120
if the way the lots are growing up. So

595
00:26:15,120 --> 00:26:17,279
>> the the drawing that we saw from

596
00:26:17,279 --> 00:26:19,200
planning what is the I'm just curious

597
00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:20,799
the depth of the screen porch. What are

598
00:26:20,799 --> 00:26:23,039
the dimensions of the screen porch? Uh

599
00:26:23,039 --> 00:26:26,400
>> oh, I didn't print it out.

600
00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:26,960
>> Hold on.

601
00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:29,440
>> Alex, do you have the the thing? because

602
00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:30,960
I actually

603
00:26:30,960 --> 00:26:32,960
>> we're on my wife's computer and I don't

604
00:26:32,960 --> 00:26:35,440
have that in front of me, but it's uh I

605
00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:36,960
want to say

606
00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:38,559
>> it's tw it's the same width as the

607
00:26:38,559 --> 00:26:40,640
house. So I believe that's 22 feet and

608
00:26:40,640 --> 00:26:43,039
then the depth was

609
00:26:43,039 --> 00:26:44,000
>> closer to 14

610
00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:45,919
>> 14 or 16 feet. I can't remember offhand

611
00:26:45,919 --> 00:26:48,159
exactly should say there though.

612
00:26:48,159 --> 00:26:50,080
>> And so then ultimately as we understand

613
00:26:50,080 --> 00:26:52,880
it the encroachment that that you're

614
00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:55,520
asking for variance is in the very call

615
00:26:55,520 --> 00:26:57,600
it northeast corner.

616
00:26:57,600 --> 00:26:59,360
>> Yes. where you're going to, you know,

617
00:26:59,360 --> 00:27:02,080
put down a footer, build a screen deck.

618
00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:04,480
That corner of the house is going to go

619
00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:07,279
in and out. We feel fairly confident,

620
00:27:07,279 --> 00:27:09,440
uh, six inches from plan submitted and

621
00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:10,480
building inspector

622
00:27:10,480 --> 00:27:11,200
>> based on, you know,

623
00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:12,640
>> just towards the back there.

624
00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:15,840
>> Yeah. Right. You're north like the

625
00:27:15,840 --> 00:27:18,080
corner that's going up towards Nolles

626
00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:19,600
Avenue.

627
00:27:19,600 --> 00:27:20,320
>> Yes.

628
00:27:20,320 --> 00:27:22,559
>> Yeah. Okay.

629
00:27:22,559 --> 00:27:24,159
Those are my initial questions.

630
00:27:24,159 --> 00:27:25,600
>> Yeah. Nate, do you have any questions?

631
00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:27,600
>> I don't. Um I think the staff report was

632
00:27:27,600 --> 00:27:31,039
pretty pretty clear. Um no more

633
00:27:31,039 --> 00:27:32,159
question. I don't have any questions.

634
00:27:32,159 --> 00:27:32,640
Thanks.

635
00:27:32,640 --> 00:27:35,120
>> Okay.

636
00:27:35,120 --> 00:27:38,240
>> Um I am just curious about where you are

637
00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:41,039
in the process. So you've had um it

638
00:27:41,039 --> 00:27:42,640
looked like they were stamped plans from

639
00:27:42,640 --> 00:27:45,360
the county. So the countyy's already

640
00:27:45,360 --> 00:27:46,640
>> Yes.

641
00:27:46,640 --> 00:27:48,640
>> issued the permit. I know their setback

642
00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:51,039
requirements are different from ours.

643
00:27:51,039 --> 00:27:52,960
>> Um

644
00:27:52,960 --> 00:27:54,960
that's all I was curious about.

645
00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:56,480
>> Okay. Stuart,

646
00:27:56,480 --> 00:28:00,630
>> any objections from the neighbors?

647
00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:03,120
» Not that not that we're aware of. And

648
00:28:03,120 --> 00:28:05,120
we've had this sign up, I know, for

649
00:28:05,120 --> 00:28:07,440
>> for a bit. There's a big sign in our

650
00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:10,880
front yard with a number to call.

651
00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:11,200
that

652
00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:12,880
>> and I think our neighbors on the one

653
00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:15,679
side that it would actually and I I

654
00:28:15,679 --> 00:28:17,279
don't see it really impacting because it

655
00:28:17,279 --> 00:28:19,600
is like such a small amount on that back

656
00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:22,640
corner but uh I I believe that there's

657
00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:24,559
like renters there so we don't really

658
00:28:24,559 --> 00:28:25,760
even know

659
00:28:25,760 --> 00:28:28,159
>> we don't know them or or really see them

660
00:28:28,159 --> 00:28:30,799
so we haven't had a chance to but there

661
00:28:30,799 --> 00:28:32,320
has been no complaints even if they stop

662
00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:33,200
by.

663
00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:35,440
>> Okay. Nothing further from me there.

664
00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:38,399
>> Okay. Is it possible to when the

665
00:28:38,399 --> 00:28:41,279
foundation goes in just to have um Neil

666
00:28:41,279 --> 00:28:43,120
measure it just to make sure we're at

667
00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:44,480
that six inches?

668
00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:46,000
>> Sure.

669
00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:47,039
>> He's done that before.

670
00:28:47,039 --> 00:28:48,559
>> Okay. I just think that's a good idea.

671
00:28:48,559 --> 00:28:51,919
We don't want to have a problem later.

672
00:28:51,919 --> 00:28:54,000
>> Yeah. I would highly support that.

673
00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:55,360
>> Yeah. Yeah. I mean, you could

674
00:28:55,360 --> 00:28:57,440
>> We don't either. We don't want to take

675
00:28:57,440 --> 00:28:58,399
anything down.

676
00:28:58,399 --> 00:28:59,120
>> Okay.

677
00:28:59,120 --> 00:29:00,480
>> We're trying to check all the boxes

678
00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:01,120
here.

679
00:29:01,120 --> 00:29:02,960
>> Sure. Yeah. I just think that would be a

680
00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:04,720
good idea to have it measured before

681
00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:06,399
even I guess even before you pour the

682
00:29:06,399 --> 00:29:07,840
concrete you could just have the

683
00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:12,080
foundation measured make sure Okay.

684
00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:12,640
>> All right.

685
00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:16,399
>> Um is it worth mentioning why we would

686
00:29:16,399 --> 00:29:17,520
be granting the variance?

687
00:29:17,520 --> 00:29:18,159
>> You really should.

688
00:29:18,159 --> 00:29:18,880
>> So everyone Yeah.

689
00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:20,559
>> Well, I think we should probably be

690
00:29:20,559 --> 00:29:21,840
clear about that. So maybe I'll read it

691
00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:23,279
from the staff report if you have it up

692
00:29:23,279 --> 00:29:25,279
if someone else has. Okay.

693
00:29:25,279 --> 00:29:27,360
>> So there are um it's a three-part test

694
00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:30,559
when a variance is requested. Um, in

695
00:29:30,559 --> 00:29:33,440
this what we're looking at is are there

696
00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:35,279
specific situations or conditions that

697
00:29:35,279 --> 00:29:37,039
are peculiar to the property that makes

698
00:29:37,039 --> 00:29:38,720
it unique from neighboring properties,

699
00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:40,559
including but not limited to the shape,

700
00:29:40,559 --> 00:29:42,159
either narrowness or shallowess of a

701
00:29:42,159 --> 00:29:44,320
lot, topography, historic significance

702
00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:46,799
or environmental features um or other

703
00:29:46,799 --> 00:29:48,720
extraordinary conditions unique to that

704
00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:50,640
property. the con and the conditions

705
00:29:50,640 --> 00:29:52,240
must result from the application of

706
00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:54,480
building or zoning standards not from

707
00:29:54,480 --> 00:29:56,320
the action inaction or personal

708
00:29:56,320 --> 00:29:58,720
circumstances of the properties owner or

709
00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:01,039
the owner's predecessors. The second

710
00:30:01,039 --> 00:30:04,240
would be um is what you're asking for in

711
00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:06,960
your variance the minimum necessary to

712
00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:08,559
overcome the unique condition of the

713
00:30:08,559 --> 00:30:11,120
property and then the third would be uh

714
00:30:11,120 --> 00:30:13,679
is in what you are requesting is it not

715
00:30:13,679 --> 00:30:15,360
detrimental to neighboring properties or

716
00:30:15,360 --> 00:30:18,559
the community as a whole. So what the

717
00:30:18,559 --> 00:30:22,000
staff report looked at was um you know

718
00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:23,840
the staff is recommending granting the

719
00:30:23,840 --> 00:30:26,399
variance to allow the encroachment. Uh

720
00:30:26,399 --> 00:30:28,960
it is you know a minimum necessary

721
00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:33,039
amount it is 6 in um you know to council

722
00:30:33,039 --> 00:30:35,279
member Sparker's question it you know

723
00:30:35,279 --> 00:30:37,919
the sign has been up in your yard. Um

724
00:30:37,919 --> 00:30:39,600
neighbors have had the opportunity to

725
00:30:39,600 --> 00:30:41,440
weigh in on this. We have not received

726
00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:44,240
anything correct Alex. Um, so the town

727
00:30:44,240 --> 00:30:46,080
has not received anything that stating

728
00:30:46,080 --> 00:30:47,840
any, you know, detrimental impact to

729
00:30:47,840 --> 00:30:49,200
neighboring properties or the community

730
00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:51,520
as a whole. Um, but what we are looking

731
00:30:51,520 --> 00:30:54,960
at is I made a joke at the light of it

732
00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:57,840
to, you know, Mr. Jones, but the house

733
00:30:57,840 --> 00:31:00,799
and the lot while both rectangular are

734
00:31:00,799 --> 00:31:04,480
not align. And so the house is angle at

735
00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:06,799
the northeast corner is angled slightly

736
00:31:06,799 --> 00:31:08,720
toward the property line. That is not

737
00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:12,159
your fault. Um the house is trying to be

738
00:31:12,159 --> 00:31:14,080
oriented to the street but your lot was

739
00:31:14,080 --> 00:31:16,799
not. Um and so you are trying to enjoy a

740
00:31:16,799 --> 00:31:19,840
screen yard in with minimal impact and

741
00:31:19,840 --> 00:31:22,080
you're asking for a variance of uh into

742
00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:25,520
the sideyard setback of 6 in to which I

743
00:31:25,520 --> 00:31:26,960
individually and personally would be

744
00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:27,919
supportive of.

745
00:31:27,919 --> 00:31:30,960
>> Okay. I need to ask the uh people here

746
00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:33,360
or online if they have any questions

747
00:31:33,360 --> 00:31:39,350
before we take a vote.

748
00:31:39,360 --> 00:31:42,080
I'm not seeing any hands.

749
00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:45,200
Okay. Um, do we want to take a vote or

750
00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:47,200
was it council members want to make any

751
00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:48,480
other statements before we do that?

752
00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:50,000
>> We taking a vote to

753
00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:52,240
>> to support it or the

754
00:31:52,240 --> 00:31:57,039
>> but with uh town um with Neil verifying

755
00:31:57,039 --> 00:31:57,600
the distance.

756
00:31:57,600 --> 00:31:59,279
>> Yes, I think we should do that.

757
00:31:59,279 --> 00:32:00,240
>> The permit. Okay. Great.

758
00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:03,840
>> Yep. So um

759
00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:04,640
>> and you want a motion?

760
00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:07,840
>> I do. I would move that we approve the

761
00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:10,480
variance for

762
00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:12,320
10311

763
00:32:12,320 --> 00:32:14,320
Summit Avenue

764
00:32:14,320 --> 00:32:16,320
um

765
00:32:16,320 --> 00:32:19,440
appending the permit approval from the

766
00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:20,799
uh from Neil Stab.

767
00:32:20,799 --> 00:32:22,480
>> Okay. Is there a second?

768
00:32:22,480 --> 00:32:22,960
>> Second.

769
00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:24,640
>> All those in favor?

770
00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:25,279
>> I.

771
00:32:25,279 --> 00:32:26,799
>> Okay. Thank you very much.

772
00:32:26,799 --> 00:32:28,320
>> Why does it say we would do something?

773
00:32:28,320 --> 00:32:29,679
>> Thank you very much.

774
00:32:29,679 --> 00:32:30,240
>> It has to come back.

775
00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:33,679
as a resolution as a

776
00:32:33,679 --> 00:32:34,399
resolution.

777
00:32:34,399 --> 00:32:35,120
Yeah. Right.

778
00:32:35,120 --> 00:32:36,880
>> Did they understand that?

779
00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:39,039
>> We'll tell you right now. Hey guys, we

780
00:32:39,039 --> 00:32:41,360
still a resolution has to be passed at

781
00:32:41,360 --> 00:32:43,919
the October meeting. Um

782
00:32:43,919 --> 00:32:46,640
>> we'd love it if you showed up, but uh in

783
00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:47,840
case there are any questions, I think it

784
00:32:47,840 --> 00:32:49,039
would be wise to be there, but a

785
00:32:49,039 --> 00:32:51,120
resolution will be drafted. Um so

786
00:32:51,120 --> 00:32:54,480
between now and then uh the permit uh

787
00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:57,840
will be satisfied and then we will be

788
00:32:57,840 --> 00:32:59,279
presented a resolution. We will vote on

789
00:32:59,279 --> 00:33:01,200
that and that is the approval of the

790
00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:02,399
variance.

791
00:33:02,399 --> 00:33:02,799
>> Okay.

792
00:33:02,799 --> 00:33:04,399
>> Fantastic. And when you say show up, is

793
00:33:04,399 --> 00:33:05,760
that in person or

794
00:33:05,760 --> 00:33:07,120
>> No, just just like you are now.

795
00:33:07,120 --> 00:33:07,760
>> Yeah.

796
00:33:07,760 --> 00:33:09,519
>> 10 p.m. 21 October.

797
00:33:09,519 --> 00:33:10,399
>> Yep.

798
00:33:10,399 --> 00:33:12,399
>> Okay. Great. Well, thank you so much

799
00:33:12,399 --> 00:33:13,039
everyone.

800
00:33:13,039 --> 00:33:14,159
>> Yeah. Thanks, everybody.

801
00:33:14,159 --> 00:33:14,880
>> Take care.

802
00:33:14,880 --> 00:33:16,399
>> Thank you.

803
00:33:16,399 --> 00:33:19,360
>> Okay. Um I know the parking uh analysis

804
00:33:19,360 --> 00:33:21,519
is up next, but I'd like to move the uh

805
00:33:21,519 --> 00:33:23,679
doorways to democracy and art exhibit.

806
00:33:23,679 --> 00:33:25,360
Since Carrie's here, I'd like to move

807
00:33:25,360 --> 00:33:27,200
that forward so she could It should be

808
00:33:27,200 --> 00:33:29,519
relatively short. You want to just give

809
00:33:29,519 --> 00:33:30,799
a brief?

810
00:33:30,799 --> 00:33:32,320
>> Yeah, you just go up there. You have to

811
00:33:32,320 --> 00:33:33,919
go up there and just give your name and

812
00:33:33,919 --> 00:33:40,230
just your street.

813
00:33:40,240 --> 00:33:42,799
» Yes. So, this is little art show that

814
00:33:42,799 --> 00:33:45,679
some of the neighbors have put together.

815
00:33:45,679 --> 00:33:48,159
I was working on a project

816
00:33:48,159 --> 00:33:52,080
and we found some old doors and anyways

817
00:33:52,080 --> 00:33:54,399
we created

818
00:33:54,399 --> 00:33:57,760
democracy and each day has the message

819
00:33:57,760 --> 00:34:00,640
of how we can do to support our

820
00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:02,080
democracy.

821
00:34:02,080 --> 00:34:04,720
So, there's 20 doors. There's um I'll

822
00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:06,080
hand this around. You guys can take a

823
00:34:06,080 --> 00:34:06,880
look at it.

824
00:34:06,880 --> 00:34:10,399
>> I think I think this is good enough. You pass this around. This is good

825
00:34:10,399 --> 00:34:10,879
enough.

826
00:34:10,879 --> 00:34:12,480
>> Can I just ask before you go further?

827
00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:14,000
Could you please state your name for the

828
00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:15,280
record so everyone knows?

829
00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:16,159
>> Wait.

830
00:34:16,159 --> 00:34:16,560
>> Okay.

831
00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:18,079
>> And I actually live in North Chubby

832
00:34:18,079 --> 00:34:18,480
Chase.

833
00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:19,119
>> Thank you.

834
00:34:19,119 --> 00:34:20,960
>> Thanks.

835
00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:23,760
>> So, um we had a lot of fun doing it and

836
00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:27,440
um it's an upbeat thing. It's fun and um

837
00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:29,280
we're closing the show down. We did it

838
00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:31,679
about over a year ago and we've had it.

839
00:34:31,679 --> 00:34:34,240
We showed at um the Chvy Chase Women's

840
00:34:34,240 --> 00:34:35,760
Club. They loved it for Fourth of July,

841
00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:38,639
but last year, not this year. And um

842
00:34:38,639 --> 00:34:40,639
elections are coming up and so I

843
00:34:40,639 --> 00:34:42,560
thought, well, we need to close it down

844
00:34:42,560 --> 00:34:44,240
because I have 20 doors and I need to

845
00:34:44,240 --> 00:34:47,760
get rid of them. So anyways, we're um

846
00:34:47,760 --> 00:34:49,839
going to sell the doors for $500 a piece

847
00:34:49,839 --> 00:34:52,879
from the League of Women Voters and um

848
00:34:52,879 --> 00:34:54,720
we're looking for a place to show show

849
00:34:54,720 --> 00:34:56,720
it. And we need one day only. We only

850
00:34:56,720 --> 00:35:00,960
need I tried to Tracy and we um we don't

851
00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:02,720
need as much as what we were asking for.

852
00:35:02,720 --> 00:35:04,560
So we were thinking it would be great if

853
00:35:04,560 --> 00:35:07,680
we can have it on October 24th and next

854
00:35:07,680 --> 00:35:10,480
to the farmers market at your um Mnt

855
00:35:10,480 --> 00:35:14,000
Bank property and then um we'll we'll

856
00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:17,040
remove it that night. So it would go

857
00:35:17,040 --> 00:35:20,320
over to Metro Vintage Market um the next

858
00:35:20,320 --> 00:35:22,720
day and they said that they disclose the

859
00:35:22,720 --> 00:35:25,680
doors Yeah. that we don't sell. So

860
00:35:25,680 --> 00:35:27,520
that's the plan. I did a draft

861
00:35:27,520 --> 00:35:29,280
invitation. I don't know.

862
00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:31,200
>> I I sent it out to the council so

863
00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:32,960
they've seen it. Yeah.

864
00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:33,359
>> Yeah.

865
00:35:33,359 --> 00:35:34,000
>> Okay. Great.

866
00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:34,880
>> Yeah. That's just

867
00:35:34,880 --> 00:35:36,960
>> So it would just be for the day.

868
00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:39,599
>> So and u I've talked to Alex and the

869
00:35:39,599 --> 00:35:40,800
building will still be there.

870
00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:43,520
Unfortunately, we're working on it, but

871
00:35:43,520 --> 00:35:45,280
it'll still be there and then they would

872
00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:48,000
just show it in that area. Uh I I knew

873
00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:49,599
you'd asked about closing the parking

874
00:35:49,599 --> 00:35:51,440
lot. I can't really do that because of

875
00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:52,880
the um

876
00:35:52,880 --> 00:35:54,800
>> because of the market, but I think we

877
00:35:54,800 --> 00:35:57,599
can just close the circle around the

878
00:35:57,599 --> 00:35:58,400
building itself.

879
00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:00,720
>> And maybe we could put a few um doors on

880
00:36:00,720 --> 00:36:03,119
the trees just laying among the campers.

881
00:36:03,119 --> 00:36:04,880
>> But yeah, you know, we'd set it up that

882
00:36:04,880 --> 00:36:06,079
morning. It would everything would be

883
00:36:06,079 --> 00:36:07,280
moved over the night before and then

884
00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:09,520
we'd set it up that morning.

885
00:36:09,520 --> 00:36:10,800
>> It should be a lot of fun.

886
00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:14,160
>> Okay. So, uh is there a weather thing if

887
00:36:14,160 --> 00:36:16,240
it's pouring rain that weekend? It's

888
00:36:16,240 --> 00:36:16,880
still

889
00:36:16,880 --> 00:36:18,880
>> We're just gonna do it rain or shine.

890
00:36:18,880 --> 00:36:19,520
It's okay.

891
00:36:19,520 --> 00:36:23,040
>> You know, one shot deal and no official

892
00:36:23,040 --> 00:36:23,760
art things.

893
00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:25,839
>> Okay. So, I just wanted to bring it

894
00:36:25,839 --> 00:36:27,520
forward to the council just to make sure

895
00:36:27,520 --> 00:36:29,680
you guys were okay with what they were

896
00:36:29,680 --> 00:36:31,599
showing and because it would be on town

897
00:36:31,599 --> 00:36:33,599
property.

898
00:36:33,599 --> 00:36:34,640
>> You guys have any questions? Yeah.

899
00:36:34,640 --> 00:36:36,240
>> No. Uh first of all, thank you for doing

900
00:36:36,240 --> 00:36:37,920
this. These are fabulous and I so much

901
00:36:37,920 --> 00:36:41,920
appreciate the the uh the approach. Um

902
00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:44,560
>> the town is doing a Walktober event on

903
00:36:44,560 --> 00:36:48,310
October 24th, which is the art walk.

904
00:36:48,320 --> 00:36:49,839
It just happens to work out really well

905
00:36:49,839 --> 00:36:50,640
if you did that.

906
00:36:50,640 --> 00:36:52,720
>> No, I did. Yes, you did.

907
00:36:52,720 --> 00:36:54,320
>> Yeah. Yes, you did. Um,

908
00:36:54,320 --> 00:36:56,400
>> so people will be out and about walking

909
00:36:56,400 --> 00:36:57,760
to hopefully already do this.

910
00:36:57,760 --> 00:36:58,400
>> Look at our

911
00:36:58,400 --> 00:37:00,000
>> Yeah, we were going to I was going to

912
00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:02,000
say we were going to start uh around

913
00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:03,920
Oldtown Market and we can make our way

914
00:37:03,920 --> 00:37:06,079
there. But it's I don't I didn't hear I

915
00:37:06,079 --> 00:37:07,760
don't recall you saying what time you

916
00:37:07,760 --> 00:37:08,160
would start.

917
00:37:08,160 --> 00:37:09,680
>> I'm thinking 10 to 5, but I think

918
00:37:09,680 --> 00:37:11,040
>> that's perfect. No, no, 10 to 5 is

919
00:37:11,040 --> 00:37:12,880
perfect because we start at 10:30. So

920
00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:15,200
we'll bring a whole hopefully a big

921
00:37:15,200 --> 00:37:17,839
group over and do that on the tour.

922
00:37:17,839 --> 00:37:19,040
>> So next weekend, you know, it's

923
00:37:19,040 --> 00:37:20,160
Halloween and I thought that would be

924
00:37:20,160 --> 00:37:21,839
distracting and then the elections are

925
00:37:21,839 --> 00:37:23,520
November 4th. So there you go.

926
00:37:23,520 --> 00:37:24,480
>> Perfect. And thanks for

927
00:37:24,480 --> 00:37:25,760
>> you know it was funny because Beth

928
00:37:25,760 --> 00:37:29,040
Pierce asked about um possibly doing the

929
00:37:29,040 --> 00:37:31,839
U building and you know having a paint

930
00:37:31,839 --> 00:37:33,520
since it was going to get torn down, but

931
00:37:33,520 --> 00:37:35,839
I think this is a better option. So

932
00:37:35,839 --> 00:37:37,359
there actually isn't that much to paint

933
00:37:37,359 --> 00:37:39,839
in that area. It's good. What I one

934
00:37:39,839 --> 00:37:41,119
thing I would really love is if they

935
00:37:41,119 --> 00:37:42,720
just mow the grass around it. So

936
00:37:42,720 --> 00:37:45,280
>> yeah, I think there was some uh uh

937
00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:47,359
misunderstanding that that we said

938
00:37:47,359 --> 00:37:48,880
public works over there, but they were

939
00:37:48,880 --> 00:37:51,760
doing around the build, you know, not

940
00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:54,000
the front the building itself. Yeah. So

941
00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:55,760
I think there was some misunderstanding.

942
00:37:55,760 --> 00:38:00,960
So if you can explain that to Pablo to actually do around the building, not

943
00:38:00,960 --> 00:38:04,400
the around the lot itself.

944
00:38:04,400 --> 00:38:04,800
>> Yeah.

945
00:38:04,800 --> 00:38:06,800
>> Well, we are absolutely thrilled. Can I

946
00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:09,119
say um town of Kensington and Metro

947
00:38:09,119 --> 00:38:10,800
Vintage Gallery present doorways to

948
00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:13,359
democracy? Can I use you guys? Can you

949
00:38:13,359 --> 00:38:13,760
be

950
00:38:13,760 --> 00:38:15,520
>> Do you have any objections to adding

951
00:38:15,520 --> 00:38:16,079
putting the

952
00:38:16,079 --> 00:38:17,760
>> I don't It's on our property.

953
00:38:17,760 --> 00:38:18,640
>> No.

954
00:38:18,640 --> 00:38:20,960
>> How many doors was it again? 20.

955
00:38:20,960 --> 00:38:23,040
>> We have like 24 artists.

956
00:38:23,040 --> 00:38:24,320
>> Are they going to be there?

957
00:38:24,320 --> 00:38:24,880
>> A lot of them.

958
00:38:24,880 --> 00:38:26,240
>> Okay, that's good.

959
00:38:26,240 --> 00:38:27,599
>> Yeah, it'll be fine.

960
00:38:27,599 --> 00:38:28,960
>> Is there any way you can I don't

961
00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:30,480
remember if the flyer had the artists

962
00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:32,240
names. Is it possible to add them?

963
00:38:32,240 --> 00:38:34,640
>> Yeah, I'd love to do that. And also, um,

964
00:38:34,640 --> 00:38:38,320
yeah, that sounds great. And, um, Okay,

965
00:38:38,320 --> 00:38:39,280
that sounds perfect.

966
00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:42,000
>> Could I also recommend um that when you

967
00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:45,119
set them up, have some not just behind

968
00:38:45,119 --> 00:38:47,200
the building, but in the front to

969
00:38:47,200 --> 00:38:48,880
>> drive? Definitely in the front.

970
00:38:48,880 --> 00:38:49,440
>> The whole

971
00:38:49,440 --> 00:38:51,520
>> Yeah. Yeah.

972
00:38:51,520 --> 00:38:52,320
>> Right. Okay.

973
00:38:52,320 --> 00:38:54,240
>> And just to just to be sure, you said

974
00:38:54,240 --> 00:38:56,000
you're going to set them up and take

975
00:38:56,000 --> 00:38:57,920
them down in our town crew.

976
00:38:57,920 --> 00:38:59,839
>> No, no, the crew is just going to do the

977
00:38:59,839 --> 00:39:00,320
gardening.

978
00:39:00,320 --> 00:39:02,000
>> The gardening. Okay. Yeah, we have

979
00:39:02,000 --> 00:39:05,119
products and stuff like that.

980
00:39:05,119 --> 00:39:07,440
>> Does any anybody else have any you guys

981
00:39:07,440 --> 00:39:09,280
any questions? You guys good?

982
00:39:09,280 --> 00:39:12,720
>> Uh, anybody online or here have a

983
00:39:12,720 --> 00:39:15,040
question?

984
00:39:15,040 --> 00:39:16,720
>> I'm not seeing any hands. Okay, Carrie,

985
00:39:16,720 --> 00:39:17,839
thank you very much.

986
00:39:17,839 --> 00:39:18,720
>> Thank you.

987
00:39:18,720 --> 00:39:20,079
>> Be a lot of fun.

988
00:39:20,079 --> 00:39:23,440
>> Thank you.

989
00:39:23,440 --> 00:39:25,119
>> Okay. All right. Now, let's get down to

990
00:39:25,119 --> 00:39:27,280
the Walker Consultants parking analysis

991
00:39:27,280 --> 00:39:29,280
update. Yeah,

992
00:39:29,280 --> 00:39:32,000
>> I'll start and Stuart, please um fill

993
00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:36,000
in. So, uh for those of you that follow,

994
00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:38,880
um town council closely, you know that

995
00:39:38,880 --> 00:39:41,040
we have a parking task force that is

996
00:39:41,040 --> 00:39:44,000
made up of residents um business

997
00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:46,480
representatives and others to examine

998
00:39:46,480 --> 00:39:48,240
the parking pressure that we've

999
00:39:48,240 --> 00:39:49,520
experienced, especially in the

1000
00:39:49,520 --> 00:39:53,280
commercial core and the um adjacent uh

1001
00:39:53,280 --> 00:39:55,839
residential streets. And one of the

1002
00:39:55,839 --> 00:39:58,320
things that we've done this past uh year

1003
00:39:58,320 --> 00:40:02,000
is engage Walker consultants to do an

1004
00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:05,119
analysis. We had a presentation of their

1005
00:40:05,119 --> 00:40:09,040
first um uh compilation of data and

1006
00:40:09,040 --> 00:40:12,400
evidence from their you know multiple

1007
00:40:12,400 --> 00:40:15,040
walking of the neighborhood uh digital

1008
00:40:15,040 --> 00:40:17,680
recordkeeping around turnover

1009
00:40:17,680 --> 00:40:20,079
um measuring where the compression and

1010
00:40:20,079 --> 00:40:23,200
the hotspots are. And now we're into the

1011
00:40:23,200 --> 00:40:25,119
next phase of the study, which is to

1012
00:40:25,119 --> 00:40:27,520
present a set of recommendations. So,

1013
00:40:27,520 --> 00:40:29,760
what was included in the town council

1014
00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:32,000
packet that was sent out publicly was

1015
00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:34,720
their draft plan uh I'm sorry, their

1016
00:40:34,720 --> 00:40:37,200
draft um set of recommendations with a

1017
00:40:37,200 --> 00:40:40,320
summary of those. We had a discussion

1018
00:40:40,320 --> 00:40:46,640
with them um and are ready to um preview

1019
00:40:46,640 --> 00:40:49,280
for you the recommendations. Uh

1020
00:40:49,280 --> 00:40:50,560
hopefully you had a chance to look at

1021
00:40:50,560 --> 00:40:52,560
it. I will highlight very briefly

1022
00:40:52,560 --> 00:40:55,839
because it is a very dense report and it

1023
00:40:55,839 --> 00:40:57,520
is just the draft report. They are

1024
00:40:57,520 --> 00:41:00,480
making adjustments to it after uh

1025
00:41:00,480 --> 00:41:03,040
talking with the task force but I want

1026
00:41:03,040 --> 00:41:04,800
to highlight some of the top findings.

1027
00:41:04,800 --> 00:41:09,280
So first would be to focus on improving

1028
00:41:09,280 --> 00:41:11,760
wayinding and signage. This is both

1029
00:41:11,760 --> 00:41:13,680
physical and digital. There's a lot of

1030
00:41:13,680 --> 00:41:15,839
room for improvement and directing

1031
00:41:15,839 --> 00:41:20,079
visitors, employees, and residents um to

1032
00:41:20,079 --> 00:41:22,560
uh where they can park using available

1033
00:41:22,560 --> 00:41:25,040
public lots first, but also updating all

1034
00:41:25,040 --> 00:41:28,240
the digital maps online um with

1035
00:41:28,240 --> 00:41:30,079
directions for parking. So, that's first

1036
00:41:30,079 --> 00:41:33,440
step that they emphasized. Uh second

1037
00:41:33,440 --> 00:41:36,319
would be to upgrade our technology. We

1038
00:41:36,319 --> 00:41:39,440
are still chalking tires. We are still

1039
00:41:39,440 --> 00:41:43,920
doing written tickets. Um, and there's

1040
00:41:43,920 --> 00:41:45,920
tremendous, I think, efficiencies that

1041
00:41:45,920 --> 00:41:47,680
we can gain if we move to digital

1042
00:41:47,680 --> 00:41:50,079
handheld systems. So, we're examining

1043
00:41:50,079 --> 00:41:52,319
that option. All of this, I understand,

1044
00:41:52,319 --> 00:41:53,920
comes with costs. We haven't gotten to

1045
00:41:53,920 --> 00:41:55,520
that point yet. We will. That's the next

1046
00:41:55,520 --> 00:41:59,599
phase. Um, and also do some targeted

1047
00:41:59,599 --> 00:42:01,440
curbside management where maybe we need

1048
00:42:01,440 --> 00:42:05,440
to adjust the um, parking limits where

1049
00:42:05,440 --> 00:42:08,560
we do have uh, pressure.

1050
00:42:08,560 --> 00:42:11,280
um that needs to be combined with

1051
00:42:11,280 --> 00:42:13,119
enforcement. This was a big point of

1052
00:42:13,119 --> 00:42:15,359
emphasis throughout the analysis and

1053
00:42:15,359 --> 00:42:18,160
throughout their initial findings. Um as

1054
00:42:18,160 --> 00:42:20,480
we've discussed before, it's great to

1055
00:42:20,480 --> 00:42:22,480
have signage, but unless you are

1056
00:42:22,480 --> 00:42:24,720
enforcing it, you do not change

1057
00:42:24,720 --> 00:42:27,359
behavior. And so we've had conversations

1058
00:42:27,359 --> 00:42:29,280
at the task force level with the

1059
00:42:29,280 --> 00:42:30,880
consultants about whether we need to

1060
00:42:30,880 --> 00:42:33,440
make adjustments to when we have um

1061
00:42:33,440 --> 00:42:36,640
staff. Our code enforcement officer um

1062
00:42:36,640 --> 00:42:38,400
who is enforcing you know all of our

1063
00:42:38,400 --> 00:42:41,200
code, not just our parking um is not

1064
00:42:41,200 --> 00:42:43,200
typically here on weekends or evenings,

1065
00:42:43,200 --> 00:42:44,880
which is often when we have the most

1066
00:42:44,880 --> 00:42:48,480
parking uh challenges. And so that's

1067
00:42:48,480 --> 00:42:50,319
something that we would like to examine

1068
00:42:50,319 --> 00:42:52,480
with staff and the council is shifts

1069
00:42:52,480 --> 00:42:54,240
that could be made on the personnel

1070
00:42:54,240 --> 00:42:55,440
side.

1071
00:42:55,440 --> 00:42:58,640
Finally, the recommendations include

1072
00:42:58,640 --> 00:43:01,200
examining public private partnerships

1073
00:43:01,200 --> 00:43:04,319
for parking. Um, doing employer and

1074
00:43:04,319 --> 00:43:06,319
business outreach so that as their

1075
00:43:06,319 --> 00:43:08,319
employees come in for work, we're

1076
00:43:08,319 --> 00:43:11,680
helping them uh perhaps broker

1077
00:43:11,680 --> 00:43:15,119
agreements uh to use lots nearby for

1078
00:43:15,119 --> 00:43:19,680
longer stay parking. Um and ultimately

1079
00:43:19,680 --> 00:43:22,880
uh these set of recommendations in their

1080
00:43:22,880 --> 00:43:24,720
estimation at this point they think

1081
00:43:24,720 --> 00:43:27,440
would have a measurable impact on the

1082
00:43:27,440 --> 00:43:30,240
turnover and the overall management.

1083
00:43:30,240 --> 00:43:33,200
They did not come out with a finding

1084
00:43:33,200 --> 00:43:34,880
saying we needed to move to paid

1085
00:43:34,880 --> 00:43:38,160
parking. In their view they thought um

1086
00:43:38,160 --> 00:43:40,319
that we have pretty considerable

1087
00:43:40,319 --> 00:43:42,960
capacity. It's just poorly managed and

1088
00:43:42,960 --> 00:43:45,040
poorly signed. And so their

1089
00:43:45,040 --> 00:43:46,720
recommendation was to start with the

1090
00:43:46,720 --> 00:43:49,599
improvements that they've outlined here

1091
00:43:49,599 --> 00:43:53,359
and see um how it goes. So I want to ask

1092
00:43:53,359 --> 00:43:54,960
Stuart to add anything to that and then

1093
00:43:54,960 --> 00:43:56,800
we want to talk about next steps because

1094
00:43:56,800 --> 00:43:58,319
we would like them to come forward with

1095
00:43:58,319 --> 00:44:00,079
the final report and there's more

1096
00:44:00,079 --> 00:44:01,920
analysis and deliberation that needs to

1097
00:44:01,920 --> 00:44:02,880
happen.

1098
00:44:02,880 --> 00:44:04,079
>> Yeah. Yeah. The only thing I would add

1099
00:44:04,079 --> 00:44:06,400
and and I think kind of echoes to a lot

1100
00:44:06,400 --> 00:44:07,599
of the things we've heard from the task

1101
00:44:07,599 --> 00:44:11,839
force is um the enforcement really will

1102
00:44:11,839 --> 00:44:13,920
start to hopefully even out some of the

1103
00:44:13,920 --> 00:44:17,119
areas we've seen um higher demand for

1104
00:44:17,119 --> 00:44:19,599
parking. um some kind some have

1105
00:44:19,599 --> 00:44:21,839
characterized it as hot spots, but I

1106
00:44:21,839 --> 00:44:23,920
think through enforcement and through

1107
00:44:23,920 --> 00:44:26,000
better signage, they hope to have better

1108
00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:27,760
way finding and folks can identify

1109
00:44:27,760 --> 00:44:29,280
easier places to park that are still

1110
00:44:29,280 --> 00:44:30,880
close to the business core while

1111
00:44:30,880 --> 00:44:33,040
alleviating a lot of the um demand for

1112
00:44:33,040 --> 00:44:35,280
parking in residential areas. So, I just

1113
00:44:35,280 --> 00:44:36,960
want to make sure we address that

1114
00:44:36,960 --> 00:44:39,119
specifically as well.

1115
00:44:39,119 --> 00:44:42,000
So, in terms of next steps, well, one,

1116
00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:44,079
we'd love to hear any questions you have

1117
00:44:44,079 --> 00:44:46,800
that should be considered now while

1118
00:44:46,800 --> 00:44:49,359
they're revising the report. But in

1119
00:44:49,359 --> 00:44:51,839
terms of next steps, we've talked about

1120
00:44:51,839 --> 00:44:54,319
having them present publicly the

1121
00:44:54,319 --> 00:44:56,880
recommendations in October. We could do

1122
00:44:56,880 --> 00:44:59,599
it maybe as an add-on to the October

1123
00:44:59,599 --> 00:45:01,680
21st meeting. It's hard to know how full

1124
00:45:01,680 --> 00:45:03,200
that agenda is, but I think you need at

1125
00:45:03,200 --> 00:45:05,440
least an hour for this conversation. the

1126
00:45:05,440 --> 00:45:07,040
community forum that we did went a

1127
00:45:07,040 --> 00:45:10,000
little bit over an hour and then even

1128
00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:13,119
then after public discussion around the

1129
00:45:13,119 --> 00:45:15,200
recommendations I think there needs to

1130
00:45:15,200 --> 00:45:18,960
be further analysis with the task force

1131
00:45:18,960 --> 00:45:23,520
uh and town staff to price out and think

1132
00:45:23,520 --> 00:45:25,520
about like budgeting and management

1133
00:45:25,520 --> 00:45:28,400
implementation wise uh what we would

1134
00:45:28,400 --> 00:45:31,280
recommend to the council um based on

1135
00:45:31,280 --> 00:45:33,119
this analysis and these recommendations.

1136
00:45:33,119 --> 00:45:35,520
Obviously, some of them are easier to do

1137
00:45:35,520 --> 00:45:37,599
and lower cost to do and some of them

1138
00:45:37,599 --> 00:45:40,319
will take a little more um study and

1139
00:45:40,319 --> 00:45:43,839
planning to do.

1140
00:45:43,839 --> 00:45:47,599
>> Do you think having a meeting a public

1141
00:45:47,599 --> 00:45:50,400
meeting before the town council meeting

1142
00:45:50,400 --> 00:45:53,119
in October is a good idea? I mean

1143
00:45:53,119 --> 00:45:54,079
>> to do it at

1144
00:45:54,079 --> 00:45:57,920
>> start before

1145
00:45:57,920 --> 00:45:59,440
I mean we'd probably need to start at

1146
00:45:59,440 --> 00:46:02,480
least by 530 at the latest but you know

1147
00:46:02,480 --> 00:46:04,000
maybe five would be better.

1148
00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:06,560
>> Yeah. I mean it might mean

1149
00:46:06,560 --> 00:46:09,599
I I would want the town council to be

1150
00:46:09,599 --> 00:46:12,880
there right to so I don't know if it

1151
00:46:12,880 --> 00:46:14,480
means extending the town council

1152
00:46:14,480 --> 00:46:15,359
meeting.

1153
00:46:15,359 --> 00:46:19,760
>> Yeah. We had we had talked about um

1154
00:46:19,760 --> 00:46:21,440
having W come in basically give like the

1155
00:46:21,440 --> 00:46:23,119
oral representation of their report to

1156
00:46:23,119 --> 00:46:24,880
the town publicly. I mean, you have our

1157
00:46:24,880 --> 00:46:26,160
you have Anthony and our

1158
00:46:26,160 --> 00:46:27,440
characterization of the task force

1159
00:46:27,440 --> 00:46:29,040
characterization of it, but I think

1160
00:46:29,040 --> 00:46:30,960
having Nigel and Megan who are true

1161
00:46:30,960 --> 00:46:32,480
subject matter experts come in, be able

1162
00:46:32,480 --> 00:46:35,040
to ask questions, answer questions, be

1163
00:46:35,040 --> 00:46:36,800
really compelling. And then from there,

1164
00:46:36,800 --> 00:46:39,040
we in task force can come back and do

1165
00:46:39,040 --> 00:46:41,040
the analysis that we need to do to come

1166
00:46:41,040 --> 00:46:42,960
back to the town and say, right,

1167
00:46:42,960 --> 00:46:45,359
>> okay, they presented a lot of stuff.

1168
00:46:45,359 --> 00:46:46,960
We've actually sat back, we've mapped

1169
00:46:46,960 --> 00:46:48,640
with town staff, we've done the

1170
00:46:48,640 --> 00:46:50,319
analysis, and we can come back with

1171
00:46:50,319 --> 00:46:52,800
these four are reasonable. Now, these

1172
00:46:52,800 --> 00:46:53,920
three are, you know, a little further

1173
00:46:53,920 --> 00:46:55,280
out. We need to do something like that.

1174
00:46:55,280 --> 00:46:56,880
I don't know if that's It might give us

1175
00:46:56,880 --> 00:46:58,560
a little bit more breathing room. Is

1176
00:46:58,560 --> 00:47:00,960
this is dense and it is It is very

1177
00:47:00,960 --> 00:47:01,839
thorough.

1178
00:47:01,839 --> 00:47:04,079
>> Okay. I'm I'm kind of thinking a sec a

1179
00:47:04,079 --> 00:47:06,160
different night be better, but that it's

1180
00:47:06,160 --> 00:47:06,960
just me.

1181
00:47:06,960 --> 00:47:09,440
>> Yeah. But they I mean, they presented

1182
00:47:09,440 --> 00:47:11,839
already the analysis,

1183
00:47:11,839 --> 00:47:13,040
>> but not the recommendations.

1184
00:47:13,040 --> 00:47:15,680
So,

1185
00:47:15,680 --> 00:47:17,520
is it necessary to go through all the

1186
00:47:17,520 --> 00:47:19,440
background again other than making it

1187
00:47:19,440 --> 00:47:21,760
available um all of the technical

1188
00:47:21,760 --> 00:47:24,880
details and all of the GIS analysis they

1189
00:47:24,880 --> 00:47:27,680
did and the walking study or just the

1190
00:47:27,680 --> 00:47:28,720
recommendations?

1191
00:47:28,720 --> 00:47:30,000
>> This is just a walk through the

1192
00:47:30,000 --> 00:47:30,640
recommendations

1193
00:47:30,640 --> 00:47:31,839
>> an hour.

1194
00:47:31,839 --> 00:47:33,599
>> You think so? With the

1195
00:47:33,599 --> 00:47:35,440
>> residents questions and everything. My

1196
00:47:35,440 --> 00:47:36,880
thinking it would be like questions from

1197
00:47:36,880 --> 00:47:38,319
the town council, questions from the

1198
00:47:38,319 --> 00:47:41,280
residents, public, whoever attends would

1199
00:47:41,280 --> 00:47:44,079
then give the task force some direction

1200
00:47:44,079 --> 00:47:48,240
>> to then hone in on the recommendations.

1201
00:47:48,240 --> 00:47:50,000
>> But maybe we could just move the town

1202
00:47:50,000 --> 00:47:52,319
meeting to 7:30 instead of 7.

1203
00:47:52,319 --> 00:47:53,280
>> Start at 6.

1204
00:47:53,280 --> 00:47:53,839
>> Yeah.

1205
00:47:53,839 --> 00:47:56,319
>> Do you like 6 and start at 7:30?

1206
00:47:56,319 --> 00:47:56,800
>> Yeah,

1207
00:47:56,800 --> 00:47:57,839
>> I'd be okay with that.

1208
00:47:57,839 --> 00:47:59,839
>> I just Yeah, I think we need that extra

1209
00:47:59,839 --> 00:48:00,400
time.

1210
00:48:00,400 --> 00:48:02,079
>> Yeah. I don't know what's on the agenda

1211
00:48:02,079 --> 00:48:03,359
for October, but I

1212
00:48:03,359 --> 00:48:05,440
>> Well, I don't think Well, it's hard to

1213
00:48:05,440 --> 00:48:07,520
tell right now, but Well, we will be

1214
00:48:07,520 --> 00:48:08,960
approving a variance, but we've already

1215
00:48:08,960 --> 00:48:10,160
done the hard part.

1216
00:48:10,160 --> 00:48:13,440
>> Uh doing a re resolution. Um

1217
00:48:13,440 --> 00:48:15,920
>> yeah, let's let's do let's just have the

1218
00:48:15,920 --> 00:48:17,599
town meeting start at 7:30.

1219
00:48:17,599 --> 00:48:18,960
>> Okay,

1220
00:48:18,960 --> 00:48:19,359
>> sure.

1221
00:48:19,359 --> 00:48:19,839
>> Yeah.

1222
00:48:19,839 --> 00:48:21,599
>> So, you want to wait on question hold on

1223
00:48:21,599 --> 00:48:22,640
questions until then?

1224
00:48:22,640 --> 00:48:25,280
>> You can ask questions now. I This was a

1225
00:48:25,280 --> 00:48:26,880
preview of like what's to come.

1226
00:48:26,880 --> 00:48:28,640
>> I'll get all my questions out now. Yeah,

1227
00:48:28,640 --> 00:48:30,800
please let us know because we're in

1228
00:48:30,800 --> 00:48:32,800
discussion. Yeah. Yeah.

1229
00:48:32,800 --> 00:48:34,960
>> Okay.

1230
00:48:34,960 --> 00:48:36,000
>> Go ahead. Go ahead.

1231
00:48:36,000 --> 00:48:37,760
>> First of all, my pen ready.

1232
00:48:37,760 --> 00:48:38,960
>> First of all, I know that Connor will

1233
00:48:38,960 --> 00:48:40,960
have twice as many as I do, so I'm gonna

1234
00:48:40,960 --> 00:48:41,920
go first.

1235
00:48:41,920 --> 00:48:43,440
>> Um

1236
00:48:43,440 --> 00:48:45,520
I know that uh others on the council

1237
00:48:45,520 --> 00:48:47,599
have praised you guys for what you've

1238
00:48:47,599 --> 00:48:49,440
done in leading this. And I just want to

1239
00:48:49,440 --> 00:48:52,720
add my my um kudos to you because it is

1240
00:48:52,720 --> 00:48:56,240
a really remarkable set of data that

1241
00:48:56,240 --> 00:48:59,040
have been collected, analyzed, digested

1242
00:48:59,040 --> 00:49:02,160
and then put into I think very clear

1243
00:49:02,160 --> 00:49:05,280
terms even though it is a bit long for

1244
00:49:05,280 --> 00:49:06,640
what can be recommended. And I think

1245
00:49:06,640 --> 00:49:08,079
each one seems to have been carefully

1246
00:49:08,079 --> 00:49:12,160
weighed and and and um and and and just

1247
00:49:12,160 --> 00:49:14,079
it's very evidence-based and data driven

1248
00:49:14,079 --> 00:49:17,200
which I think is fantastic. So, um,

1249
00:49:17,200 --> 00:49:18,800
great leadership and thanks to everybody

1250
00:49:18,800 --> 00:49:21,040
who's been on the parking task force.

1251
00:49:21,040 --> 00:49:23,119
Um, I my questions actually are more

1252
00:49:23,119 --> 00:49:25,119
about, um, just clarifications from what

1253
00:49:25,119 --> 00:49:27,599
I what I see in here. The first was just

1254
00:49:27,599 --> 00:49:29,119
around the first this point about

1255
00:49:29,119 --> 00:49:31,359
enforcement. To me, it's not it made me

1256
00:49:31,359 --> 00:49:33,680
ask myself, I actually don't know when

1257
00:49:33,680 --> 00:49:35,280
Annie goes out and tickets someone, how

1258
00:49:35,280 --> 00:49:37,599
do we actually how do we enforce that in

1259
00:49:37,599 --> 00:49:39,280
the first place? I know the mechanism

1260
00:49:39,280 --> 00:49:40,880
for it, but how do we actually ensure

1261
00:49:40,880 --> 00:49:43,119
that someone is paying on that ticket?

1262
00:49:43,119 --> 00:49:46,319
>> It goes to Montgomery County. So that's not clear.

1263
00:49:46,319 --> 00:49:47,920
>> They're not paying us. We don't make

1264
00:49:47,920 --> 00:49:50,319
>> I didn't see it clear that they're not paying it. And the second

1265
00:49:50,319 --> 00:49:53,920
was um if we move to this CMS system,

1266
00:49:53,920 --> 00:49:56,240
which I think it's citation management

1267
00:49:56,240 --> 00:49:58,319
system or the virtual permit management

1268
00:49:58,319 --> 00:50:00,720
system,

1269
00:50:00,720 --> 00:50:03,839
is it still the going somehow back to

1270
00:50:03,839 --> 00:50:07,200
the county um to then enforce that was

1271
00:50:07,200 --> 00:50:09,280
it wasn't really clear. Does it make our

1272
00:50:09,280 --> 00:50:11,599
lives and the onus on our staff that

1273
00:50:11,599 --> 00:50:12,880
much more difficult or does it actually

1274
00:50:12,880 --> 00:50:14,160
make it a little easier?

1275
00:50:14,160 --> 00:50:15,760
>> I mean, we talked a little bit about

1276
00:50:15,760 --> 00:50:18,559
this um when they were sharing these

1277
00:50:18,559 --> 00:50:20,800
recommendations. One, there are there

1278
00:50:20,800 --> 00:50:23,599
are handheld systems that already

1279
00:50:23,599 --> 00:50:25,680
integrate with the county system. Okay.

1280
00:50:25,680 --> 00:50:27,359
>> So, in that sense, it would be an

1281
00:50:27,359 --> 00:50:30,079
efficiency and a time saving. And we

1282
00:50:30,079 --> 00:50:32,480
talked about checking with Rockville and

1283
00:50:32,480 --> 00:50:34,880
other jurisdictions to see exactly which

1284
00:50:34,880 --> 00:50:36,400
of these handheld

1285
00:50:36,400 --> 00:50:38,240
>> systems they're using. in the thing.

1286
00:50:38,240 --> 00:50:38,640
Yeah.

1287
00:50:38,640 --> 00:50:41,520
>> Um uh so that's one aspect. Obviously,

1288
00:50:41,520 --> 00:50:43,920
it doesn't change the overall

1289
00:50:43,920 --> 00:50:46,559
enforcement. We still they still collect

1290
00:50:46,559 --> 00:50:50,400
the money and we get I think it's a 30%

1291
00:50:50,400 --> 00:50:51,359
um

1292
00:50:51,359 --> 00:50:54,000
>> oh from share of that.

1293
00:50:54,000 --> 00:50:54,960
>> And why is it

1294
00:50:54,960 --> 00:50:56,559
>> funding?

1295
00:50:56,559 --> 00:50:58,160
>> It has to be

1296
00:50:58,160 --> 00:50:58,880
>> above the

1297
00:50:58,880 --> 00:51:00,559
>> I don't think it's I do not think that

1298
00:51:00,559 --> 00:51:02,559
it's something that we have the con the

1299
00:51:02,559 --> 00:51:04,880
power to change. I think that is set at

1300
00:51:04,880 --> 00:51:06,079
the um

1301
00:51:06,079 --> 00:51:07,119
>> even on our town

1302
00:51:07,119 --> 00:51:07,839
>> county level

1303
00:51:07,839 --> 00:51:09,520
>> that's we can we can run that down

1304
00:51:09,520 --> 00:51:10,160
because I think that's

1305
00:51:10,160 --> 00:51:11,520
>> yeah I believe it has to do with the

1306
00:51:11,520 --> 00:51:13,760
court adjudication cost they they have

1307
00:51:13,760 --> 00:51:15,200
to cover all the costs at the county

1308
00:51:15,200 --> 00:51:16,480
level and then

1309
00:51:16,480 --> 00:51:18,800
>> it trickles down to us so that that so

1310
00:51:18,800 --> 00:51:22,240
the I know it's not no one's comfortable

1311
00:51:22,240 --> 00:51:23,680
talking about these terms but the

1312
00:51:23,680 --> 00:51:26,240
revenue that that is projected to

1313
00:51:26,240 --> 00:51:28,640
generate with our new system have they

1314
00:51:28,640 --> 00:51:31,760
run any analysis on how much we might

1315
00:51:31,760 --> 00:51:33,920
generate from that in order to pay for

1316
00:51:33,920 --> 00:51:36,079
an additional staff member or for the

1317
00:51:36,079 --> 00:51:38,400
program to get the the software and so

1318
00:51:38,400 --> 00:51:41,520
on. So, is it self financing? And if

1319
00:51:41,520 --> 00:51:42,960
it's not,

1320
00:51:42,960 --> 00:51:46,720
>> did the decision to not recommend paid

1321
00:51:46,720 --> 00:51:50,960
parking factor into that? Um, but the

1322
00:51:50,960 --> 00:51:52,160
fact that it was already going to be

1323
00:51:52,160 --> 00:51:54,559
covered by the revenue it would generate

1324
00:51:54,559 --> 00:51:56,800
because because I don't I didn't quite

1325
00:51:56,800 --> 00:51:58,160
>> understand if that if it was just

1326
00:51:58,160 --> 00:51:59,760
because it wasn't needed because of the

1327
00:51:59,760 --> 00:52:01,599
demand and the hotspots wasn't necessary

1328
00:52:01,599 --> 00:52:02,720
or

1329
00:52:02,720 --> 00:52:04,079
>> might we want to think about adding it

1330
00:52:04,079 --> 00:52:05,760
if if we can just cover the cost of

1331
00:52:05,760 --> 00:52:07,040
implementing the program.

1332
00:52:07,040 --> 00:52:08,960
>> Yeah. Um, great questions.

1333
00:52:08,960 --> 00:52:10,319
>> Great questions.

1334
00:52:10,319 --> 00:52:12,160
>> So, we had some initial discussion and

1335
00:52:12,160 --> 00:52:14,480
we were literally googling during the

1336
00:52:14,480 --> 00:52:17,599
meeting to get um cost estimates for

1337
00:52:17,599 --> 00:52:19,599
these parking systems. the do

1338
00:52:19,599 --> 00:52:22,079
>> and of course there are different um

1339
00:52:22,079 --> 00:52:24,480
models but I if I recall correctly it

1340
00:52:24,480 --> 00:52:27,119
was somewhere between 7 and 12,000 it

1341
00:52:27,119 --> 00:52:28,640
was not a huge cost

1342
00:52:28,640 --> 00:52:30,160
>> and then some maintenance costs.

1343
00:52:30,160 --> 00:52:31,280
>> Yes, I'm sure there's a service

1344
00:52:31,280 --> 00:52:35,359
agreement ongoing licensing and um so

1345
00:52:35,359 --> 00:52:36,800
that was one of that's an example of

1346
00:52:36,800 --> 00:52:38,559
like one of the follow-up items that

1347
00:52:38,559 --> 00:52:40,319
came out of our discussion with them was

1348
00:52:40,319 --> 00:52:43,920
to get better intel on the pricing. In

1349
00:52:43,920 --> 00:52:46,720
terms of your second question about the

1350
00:52:46,720 --> 00:52:49,119
recommendation that we didn't need to do

1351
00:52:49,119 --> 00:52:49,599
paid,

1352
00:52:49,599 --> 00:52:51,839
>> yes, their recommendation not to do paid

1353
00:52:51,839 --> 00:52:54,800
at this point. I think it had more to do

1354
00:52:54,800 --> 00:52:56,960
with the the latter point you made,

1355
00:52:56,960 --> 00:52:58,800
which is that they felt we could manage

1356
00:52:58,800 --> 00:53:00,880
the hotspots through these other methods

1357
00:53:00,880 --> 00:53:01,760
first. Okay.

1358
00:53:01,760 --> 00:53:04,480
>> What they did say was if you upgrade to

1359
00:53:04,480 --> 00:53:06,480
a digital system that is integrated with

1360
00:53:06,480 --> 00:53:08,240
the county system, that lays the

1361
00:53:08,240 --> 00:53:11,760
foundation for you to later move into to

1362
00:53:11,760 --> 00:53:15,040
paid parking and you'll have like the

1363
00:53:15,040 --> 00:53:17,280
technology foundation to do that.

1364
00:53:17,280 --> 00:53:19,200
>> Okay. Because I think if some of if

1365
00:53:19,200 --> 00:53:20,640
these recommendations, it would be great

1366
00:53:20,640 --> 00:53:22,559
to see what the cost estimates are, but

1367
00:53:22,559 --> 00:53:25,200
having doing like theus and the

1368
00:53:25,200 --> 00:53:27,040
partnerships, we'll we will likely have

1369
00:53:27,040 --> 00:53:29,280
to make some budget allocation or

1370
00:53:29,280 --> 00:53:31,280
payment. So, it' be great if it could be

1371
00:53:31,280 --> 00:53:33,520
self financing. Yeah, exactly.

1372
00:53:33,520 --> 00:53:35,760
>> So, right now our signs only they go

1373
00:53:35,760 --> 00:53:38,400
till like 4, I think, Monday through

1374
00:53:38,400 --> 00:53:40,720
Friday. Well, some are four, some I

1375
00:53:40,720 --> 00:53:42,240
don't know of any five.

1376
00:53:42,240 --> 00:53:45,119
>> Okay. But they're they're weekday

1377
00:53:45,119 --> 00:53:47,599
>> and of course Annie leaves at 4.

1378
00:53:47,599 --> 00:53:50,000
>> So um

1379
00:53:50,000 --> 00:53:52,720
there's an hour not captured.

1380
00:53:52,720 --> 00:53:56,960
>> Are we looking to maybe have extending

1381
00:53:56,960 --> 00:53:59,280
an hourly parking

1382
00:53:59,280 --> 00:54:03,839
>> or or no parking or for in the

1383
00:54:03,839 --> 00:54:07,599
residential areas? One of the well and a

1384
00:54:07,599 --> 00:54:08,720
couple things that they mentioned to

1385
00:54:08,720 --> 00:54:11,680
that point was uh potentially amending

1386
00:54:11,680 --> 00:54:13,440
Annie's time that she's on the ground

1387
00:54:13,440 --> 00:54:15,119
moving her to the right a little bit so

1388
00:54:15,119 --> 00:54:17,040
she starts a little later and that's

1389
00:54:17,040 --> 00:54:18,880
based on when they've seen the hot spots

1390
00:54:18,880 --> 00:54:19,599
start to pull.

1391
00:54:19,599 --> 00:54:21,040
>> Sure. Yeah. I mean nothing happening at

1392
00:54:21,040 --> 00:54:24,400
9:00 or she comes in at 8 in the morning

1393
00:54:24,400 --> 00:54:25,920
people are there 10 to you know 10 to 6

1394
00:54:25,920 --> 00:54:27,200
or whatever and that would then cover

1395
00:54:27,200 --> 00:54:28,880
some of the evening parking rush that we

1396
00:54:28,880 --> 00:54:31,440
have with baby cat etc businesses. Um so

1397
00:54:31,440 --> 00:54:32,720
that's one way they were talking about

1398
00:54:32,720 --> 00:54:34,000
fixing it. the other way they were

1399
00:54:34,000 --> 00:54:35,599
talking about uh and they did talk a

1400
00:54:35,599 --> 00:54:37,440
little bit about maybe amending some of

1401
00:54:37,440 --> 00:54:39,359
the times that were there. Um it

1402
00:54:39,359 --> 00:54:41,280
definitely came up as part of the um the

1403
00:54:41,280 --> 00:54:42,640
recommendation to change some of the

1404
00:54:42,640 --> 00:54:44,160
times when things would be available.

1405
00:54:44,160 --> 00:54:46,079
You could park in places. So it's not a

1406
00:54:46,079 --> 00:54:48,160
single answer to my question. It's like

1407
00:54:48,160 --> 00:54:50,079
multiple approaches to answer.

1408
00:54:50,079 --> 00:54:51,200
>> Yeah. Because I mean I feel like

1409
00:54:51,200 --> 00:54:55,119
especially after 4:00 the the uh train

1410
00:54:55,119 --> 00:54:57,599
station starts to empty

1411
00:54:57,599 --> 00:54:59,680
>> and then we'll have our lot you know up

1412
00:54:59,680 --> 00:55:00,480
and going.

1413
00:55:00,480 --> 00:55:03,359
>> Yep. And we haven't given those two a

1414
00:55:03,359 --> 00:55:05,920
chance yet to really show because a lot

1415
00:55:05,920 --> 00:55:07,359
of people don't know they're available.

1416
00:55:07,359 --> 00:55:08,319
>> Yeah, absolutely.

1417
00:55:08,319 --> 00:55:10,319
>> They don't they don't know they exist.

1418
00:55:10,319 --> 00:55:13,440
So, okay. Okay.

1419
00:55:13,440 --> 00:55:16,559
>> Um, so thank you. Is so just two more

1420
00:55:16,559 --> 00:55:18,720
quick ones. Um,

1421
00:55:18,720 --> 00:55:22,240
>> I had trouble understanding the uh the

1422
00:55:22,240 --> 00:55:23,839
two options for the partnership

1423
00:55:23,839 --> 00:55:25,839
agreements. Is there like a way you can

1424
00:55:25,839 --> 00:55:30,640
simply convey to the the residents and

1425
00:55:30,640 --> 00:55:33,040
the public what what the two options are

1426
00:55:33,040 --> 00:55:34,559
or should we let that to Walker to

1427
00:55:34,559 --> 00:55:35,200
explain?

1428
00:55:35,200 --> 00:55:37,440
>> We actually asked if they could get us

1429
00:55:37,440 --> 00:55:40,400
template agreements and examples of how

1430
00:55:40,400 --> 00:55:42,640
other jurisdictions have done this

1431
00:55:42,640 --> 00:55:45,520
because uh

1432
00:55:45,520 --> 00:55:47,760
it was there's not as much detail there.

1433
00:55:47,760 --> 00:55:48,559
>> Okay. Yeah.

1434
00:55:48,559 --> 00:55:49,920
>> Yeah. It was like I read it like each

1435
00:55:49,920 --> 00:55:50,880
one at least three times.

1436
00:55:50,880 --> 00:55:52,319
>> Can you clarify for people who haven't

1437
00:55:52,319 --> 00:55:54,319
read the report? Yes. So, for those who

1438
00:55:54,319 --> 00:55:56,880
have not read the report, there um we're

1439
00:55:56,880 --> 00:55:59,200
considering or we're recommended to

1440
00:55:59,200 --> 00:56:02,480
consider doing um partnership agreements

1441
00:56:02,480 --> 00:56:05,520
with some of the private businesses that

1442
00:56:05,520 --> 00:56:08,240
have um parking lots that are vacant,

1443
00:56:08,240 --> 00:56:10,559
otherwise not during business hours. and

1444
00:56:10,559 --> 00:56:12,480
the suggestion is to go into one of two

1445
00:56:12,480 --> 00:56:14,880
options of some sort ofou and

1446
00:56:14,880 --> 00:56:17,599
partnership that would involve um

1447
00:56:17,599 --> 00:56:20,480
potentially paying them to allow us to

1448
00:56:20,480 --> 00:56:22,559
have that as a public lot and going

1449
00:56:22,559 --> 00:56:24,640
through all the insurance and and and so

1450
00:56:24,640 --> 00:56:26,319
on and so forth. But there's two options

1451
00:56:26,319 --> 00:56:29,040
that um that are presented in the report

1452
00:56:29,040 --> 00:56:31,040
that I think one is called a traditional

1453
00:56:31,040 --> 00:56:32,400
approach and the other one's an after

1454
00:56:32,400 --> 00:56:34,559
hours secondary parking use of

1455
00:56:34,559 --> 00:56:37,760
classification. Um, and it's just not

1456
00:56:37,760 --> 00:56:40,400
clear what that really means. At least

1457
00:56:40,400 --> 00:56:42,319
when I was reading it to be it wasn't

1458
00:56:42,319 --> 00:56:43,119
very

1459
00:56:43,119 --> 00:56:44,799
>> Do Alan, do you have some experience

1460
00:56:44,799 --> 00:56:45,760
here?

1461
00:56:45,760 --> 00:56:50,960
>> Some Yes. Um, a number of privately

1462
00:56:50,960 --> 00:56:53,359
owned parking lots in College Park were

1463
00:56:53,359 --> 00:56:58,559
leased to the city for um use as parking

1464
00:56:58,559 --> 00:57:00,400
and then they could also enforce it. And

1465
00:57:00,400 --> 00:57:03,200
the main issue is insuring it.

1466
00:57:03,200 --> 00:57:04,160
>> Mhm.

1467
00:57:04,160 --> 00:57:05,920
>> And you can't insure something you don't

1468
00:57:05,920 --> 00:57:08,319
have a property interest in.

1469
00:57:08,319 --> 00:57:09,680
>> Oh, so that's why you need a lease

1470
00:57:09,680 --> 00:57:10,480
agreement.

1471
00:57:10,480 --> 00:57:11,760
>> That's why they did it that way. Yes.

1472
00:57:11,760 --> 00:57:13,520
>> And that's the traditional approach.

1473
00:57:13,520 --> 00:57:15,520
>> Uh that's what they did for many years.

1474
00:57:15,520 --> 00:57:19,920
Uh it's it allows control. You have the

1475
00:57:19,920 --> 00:57:22,480
control is very clear, the liability is

1476
00:57:22,480 --> 00:57:25,040
very clear and you can ensure it.

1477
00:57:25,040 --> 00:57:27,839
>> So that would be option one. Negotiate

1478
00:57:27,839 --> 00:57:29,280
partnership. I unfortunately haven't

1479
00:57:29,280 --> 00:57:32,880
seen this but um yeah it would that's

1480
00:57:32,880 --> 00:57:33,839
>> canly

1481
00:57:33,839 --> 00:57:36,400
>> so to your point of the biggest issue

1482
00:57:36,400 --> 00:57:37,839
with regard to the example of college

1483
00:57:37,839 --> 00:57:39,760
park has been which we've heard here too

1484
00:57:39,760 --> 00:57:42,480
is liability insurance so you have to

1485
00:57:42,480 --> 00:57:45,440
have an interest you have a lease does

1486
00:57:45,440 --> 00:57:47,280
the duration of the lease matter could

1487
00:57:47,280 --> 00:57:50,880
we go into a shortterm

1488
00:57:50,880 --> 00:57:53,520
a specific event we want to have have a

1489
00:57:53,520 --> 00:57:56,160
lease for that weekend or at least for

1490
00:57:56,160 --> 00:57:58,640
the summer season or is Does the length

1491
00:57:58,640 --> 00:58:00,880
and duration of the lease matter?

1492
00:58:00,880 --> 00:58:02,640
>> You'd have to talk to Legit about that

1493
00:58:02,640 --> 00:58:05,200
about because they have day of insurance

1494
00:58:05,200 --> 00:58:06,240
also,

1495
00:58:06,240 --> 00:58:08,480
>> which makes things easier sometimes.

1496
00:58:08,480 --> 00:58:10,400
>> That's like a uh like a if you're having

1497
00:58:10,400 --> 00:58:14,319
a party in the street, block party. And where I'm going with the question is

1498
00:58:14,319 --> 00:58:17,119
simply there are sometimes where we know

1499
00:58:17,119 --> 00:58:19,520
a specific event um or one of our

1500
00:58:19,520 --> 00:58:21,200
specific businesses may be the driving

1501
00:58:21,200 --> 00:58:25,280
factor behind parking and could they

1502
00:58:25,280 --> 00:58:28,720
work out a you know event specific time

1503
00:58:28,720 --> 00:58:32,319
frame lease with a with nearby lots if

1504
00:58:32,319 --> 00:58:35,520
there's some mechanism to get them uh

1505
00:58:35,520 --> 00:58:38,240
you know short-term the one day coverage

1506
00:58:38,240 --> 00:58:40,880
>> if yes there there are ways to do that

1507
00:58:40,880 --> 00:58:43,440
you And you can write a lease to make

1508
00:58:43,440 --> 00:58:45,119
provision for almost anything about the

1509
00:58:45,119 --> 00:58:46,880
use of property that where you get a

1510
00:58:46,880 --> 00:58:48,559
property right and then you can ensure

1511
00:58:48,559 --> 00:58:50,319
that property right.

1512
00:58:50,319 --> 00:58:52,640
>> So you know the the thing that's covered

1513
00:58:52,640 --> 00:58:54,880
by that property right. Um and they'll

1514
00:58:54,880 --> 00:58:56,960
add that on for you how they think it's

1515
00:58:56,960 --> 00:58:58,319
best to do that.

1516
00:58:58,319 --> 00:59:01,280
>> I'm not sure the the leases I dealt with

1517
00:59:01,280 --> 00:59:05,760
were long-term not periodic but they're

1518
00:59:05,760 --> 00:59:07,680
going to want you to ensure your

1519
00:59:07,680 --> 00:59:09,040
liability. You're going to want to do

1520
00:59:09,040 --> 00:59:12,960
that. So, and that allows if you're

1521
00:59:12,960 --> 00:59:14,480
enforcing

1522
00:59:14,480 --> 00:59:16,559
parking there, that allows your folks to

1523
00:59:16,559 --> 00:59:19,280
be there to do their enforcement and

1524
00:59:19,280 --> 00:59:21,119
everything's covered so that they're

1525
00:59:21,119 --> 00:59:22,480
familiar with that activity. That's a

1526
00:59:22,480 --> 00:59:26,150
government activity.

1527
00:59:26,160 --> 00:59:28,960
» Okay.

1528
00:59:28,960 --> 00:59:30,400
So, the template agreements would be

1529
00:59:30,400 --> 00:59:32,559
good to see. Thank you. Last question

1530
00:59:32,559 --> 00:59:36,240
was um still no bike inventory analysis.

1531
00:59:36,240 --> 00:59:38,079
They're not going to collect any data on

1532
00:59:38,079 --> 00:59:39,920
that. So unfortunately it was not part

1533
00:59:39,920 --> 00:59:42,640
of our original scope of tasking with

1534
00:59:42,640 --> 00:59:45,599
them. However, that doesn't mean that as

1535
00:59:45,599 --> 00:59:48,079
part of some

1536
00:59:48,079 --> 00:59:51,200
analysis um we couldn't include it. I

1537
00:59:51,200 --> 00:59:53,920
think what that last discussion surfaced

1538
00:59:53,920 --> 00:59:57,200
for us was oh for Mnt lot in particular

1539
00:59:57,200 --> 00:59:59,440
as we are redesigning it we need to make

1540
00:59:59,440 --> 01:00:01,599
sure that we've thought about bike

1541
01:00:01,599 --> 01:00:05,599
locations and then um you know I think

1542
01:00:05,599 --> 01:00:07,200
this is a good opportunity to work

1543
01:00:07,200 --> 01:00:09,040
jointly with the mobility and traffic

1544
01:00:09,040 --> 01:00:11,280
committee to see where else would be

1545
01:00:11,280 --> 01:00:13,440
priority. It also doesn't mention that

1546
01:00:13,440 --> 01:00:15,119
there's no ADA analysis in here either,

1547
01:00:15,119 --> 01:00:16,960
which is an entirely separate

1548
01:00:16,960 --> 01:00:18,240
>> ADA compliance is entire.

1549
01:00:18,240 --> 01:00:19,359
>> Yeah, I know that was another issue

1550
01:00:19,359 --> 01:00:19,599
there.

1551
01:00:19,599 --> 01:00:22,880
>> There's an inventory, not an

1552
01:00:22,880 --> 01:00:24,000
it's not the same.

1553
01:00:24,000 --> 01:00:24,720
>> Yes.

1554
01:00:24,720 --> 01:00:26,400
>> Um, sorry, one last thing I forgot. The

1555
01:00:26,400 --> 01:00:28,880
implementation plan, is that in Walker's

1556
01:00:28,880 --> 01:00:31,440
contract to also do or is that just like

1557
01:00:31,440 --> 01:00:33,599
you should do this as a town? It wasn't

1558
01:00:33,599 --> 01:00:34,559
clear that they're doing it.

1559
01:00:34,559 --> 01:00:37,040
>> There is a task related to

1560
01:00:37,040 --> 01:00:38,960
implementation, but it's pretty high

1561
01:00:38,960 --> 01:00:41,440
level. But these these dots here the

1562
01:00:41,440 --> 01:00:43,920
bullets recom they have to do

1563
01:00:43,920 --> 01:00:45,200
>> um or they're organizing the

1564
01:00:45,200 --> 01:00:47,440
recommendations by time frame cost

1565
01:00:47,440 --> 01:00:49,119
feasibility rating they'll do that. Yes.

1566
01:00:49,119 --> 01:00:49,599
Okay.

1567
01:00:49,599 --> 01:00:49,920
>> Yes.

1568
01:00:49,920 --> 01:00:50,720
>> They'll build that out

1569
01:00:50,720 --> 01:00:52,640
>> but not like the detailed

1570
01:00:52,640 --> 01:00:53,599
>> feasibility studies.

1571
01:00:53,599 --> 01:00:55,520
>> Yes. Not detailed feasibility. So easier

1572
01:00:55,520 --> 01:00:57,440
for us to like scope out.

1573
01:00:57,440 --> 01:00:57,920
>> Sure.

1574
01:00:57,920 --> 01:01:00,000
>> The overall the exact cost and how to

1575
01:01:00,000 --> 01:01:02,000
when and how to work it into a budget

1576
01:01:02,000 --> 01:01:02,559
process.

1577
01:01:02,559 --> 01:01:05,839
>> If they were um open to it. Is it

1578
01:01:05,839 --> 01:01:08,400
something we could retain them to do?

1579
01:01:08,400 --> 01:01:10,960
I'm sure that that's the best thing they

1580
01:01:10,960 --> 01:01:12,880
could do. Like it already came up that

1581
01:01:12,880 --> 01:01:15,040
for example if we wanted to move forward

1582
01:01:15,040 --> 01:01:17,839
with wayfinding um changes or

1583
01:01:17,839 --> 01:01:19,839
improvements and we needed assistance

1584
01:01:19,839 --> 01:01:22,559
with a firm they offer those services

1585
01:01:22,559 --> 01:01:23,280
for example.

1586
01:01:23,280 --> 01:01:26,960
>> Okay, great. Thank you.

1587
01:01:26,960 --> 01:01:28,640
>> Um just a few things the some of them

1588
01:01:28,640 --> 01:01:31,359
are more comments than questions. Um,

1589
01:01:31,359 --> 01:01:33,520
looking at the communication, marketing

1590
01:01:33,520 --> 01:01:36,559
and wayfinding and signage. Um, one, I

1591
01:01:36,559 --> 01:01:37,839
think the examples you have in here are

1592
01:01:37,839 --> 01:01:40,640
really illustrative and helpful. We have

1593
01:01:40,640 --> 01:01:43,280
kind of a current green sign way. You

1594
01:01:43,280 --> 01:01:46,079
have an example of it right here. Um,

1595
01:01:46,079 --> 01:01:47,839
have they looked at other jurisdictions

1596
01:01:47,839 --> 01:01:50,319
including Montgomery County and what

1597
01:01:50,319 --> 01:01:53,520
standard wayfinding color and lettering?

1598
01:01:53,520 --> 01:01:55,280
>> It's all blue. And and that's where I'm

1599
01:01:55,280 --> 01:01:56,799
going is there's a blue, but I'm seeing

1600
01:01:56,799 --> 01:01:59,920
examples of the blue then being applied

1601
01:01:59,920 --> 01:02:04,640
to the town's wayfinding brand. Um, and

1602
01:02:04,640 --> 01:02:07,839
so recommendations of blue seems to be

1603
01:02:07,839 --> 01:02:10,640
somewhat the universal understood color,

1604
01:02:10,640 --> 01:02:13,280
but you know, uh, how we might do that,

1605
01:02:13,280 --> 01:02:15,200
layering the two in into each other.

1606
01:02:15,200 --> 01:02:17,520
>> That did come up. Um, they said, you

1607
01:02:17,520 --> 01:02:22,480
know, the big uh, capital P is really helpful. The blue, most people

1608
01:02:22,480 --> 01:02:24,240
have noticed the blue. There was one

1609
01:02:24,240 --> 01:02:25,760
representative example that they put in

1610
01:02:25,760 --> 01:02:27,920
here with the red P, but ours is just

1611
01:02:27,920 --> 01:02:29,839
it's not consistent. I think they were

1612
01:02:29,839 --> 01:02:31,440
fine with us going with town branding. I

1613
01:02:31,440 --> 01:02:33,280
think there were no issues there. They

1614
01:02:33,280 --> 01:02:35,280
just said make the P more prominent and

1615
01:02:35,280 --> 01:02:36,960
put them in places where it's not

1616
01:02:36,960 --> 01:02:38,240
against the green background. Like

1617
01:02:38,240 --> 01:02:40,000
there's ways to make it more consistent

1618
01:02:40,000 --> 01:02:41,680
and broad and and obvious.

1619
01:02:41,680 --> 01:02:44,079
>> Yeah, we we did talk about blue as the

1620
01:02:44,079 --> 01:02:47,280
standard way. And theam the thing that

1621
01:02:47,280 --> 01:02:48,880
they pointed out, one of the things they

1622
01:02:48,880 --> 01:02:50,480
pointed out to us is because our town

1623
01:02:50,480 --> 01:02:52,079
color is green.

1624
01:02:52,079 --> 01:02:52,559
>> Mhm.

1625
01:02:52,559 --> 01:02:56,000
>> We have these green signs that are, you

1626
01:02:56,000 --> 01:02:58,000
know, in the background there's green

1627
01:02:58,000 --> 01:03:00,640
grass and trees and and you don't see

1628
01:03:00,640 --> 01:03:01,520
them.

1629
01:03:01,520 --> 01:03:03,760
>> Yeah. I would highly recommend blue.

1630
01:03:03,760 --> 01:03:05,359
>> Yep. Yeah.

1631
01:03:05,359 --> 01:03:07,040
>> One coming into this. I think it's

1632
01:03:07,040 --> 01:03:07,839
green, too.

1633
01:03:07,839 --> 01:03:09,760
>> Yes, they're all Yeah,

1634
01:03:09,760 --> 01:03:10,640
>> they're all green.

1635
01:03:10,640 --> 01:03:11,359
>> Okay.

1636
01:03:11,359 --> 01:03:15,760
>> So, um under a little later on it it

1637
01:03:15,760 --> 01:03:17,200
talks about conducting the inventory of

1638
01:03:17,200 --> 01:03:20,960
our existing signage. Is that complete?

1639
01:03:20,960 --> 01:03:22,400
And then I my next question where I'm

1640
01:03:22,400 --> 01:03:25,680
going is um looking at the regulatory

1641
01:03:25,680 --> 01:03:28,799
sign review to the mayor's point of how

1642
01:03:28,799 --> 01:03:30,880
are we shifting staff potentially? How

1643
01:03:30,880 --> 01:03:33,599
are we looking at hotspots, weekends,

1644
01:03:33,599 --> 01:03:36,000
evenings? Um will they be making

1645
01:03:36,000 --> 01:03:39,119
recommendations to

1646
01:03:39,119 --> 01:03:41,760
where to adjust the signage?

1647
01:03:41,760 --> 01:03:42,400
>> Yes.

1648
01:03:42,400 --> 01:03:46,559
>> Okay, perfect. um including

1649
01:03:46,559 --> 01:03:49,920
are the RPP signs we have still logical

1650
01:03:49,920 --> 01:03:53,359
where they're posted where they're not

1651
01:03:53,359 --> 01:03:55,760
RP signs that that would make sense

1652
01:03:55,760 --> 01:03:57,599
because I think that analysis would be

1653
01:03:57,599 --> 01:04:00,160
helpful as well. I think

1654
01:04:00,160 --> 01:04:02,319
we have a collection of different time

1655
01:04:02,319 --> 01:04:04,559
frames on signs and different spots as

1656
01:04:04,559 --> 01:04:07,680
we've tried to peacemeal our

1657
01:04:07,680 --> 01:04:10,000
understanding of hotspots. um now that

1658
01:04:10,000 --> 01:04:11,599
we have a data-driven approach from the

1659
01:04:11,599 --> 01:04:14,720
top down that we can

1660
01:04:14,720 --> 01:04:17,119
bring an analytical eye to why the hours

1661
01:04:17,119 --> 01:04:19,119
are what they are where they are.

1662
01:04:19,119 --> 01:04:23,440
>> So um I think that'd be great. Um

1663
01:04:23,440 --> 01:04:25,200
as we talk about technology, one thing

1664
01:04:25,200 --> 01:04:28,000
that'd be interesting uh for you all and

1665
01:04:28,000 --> 01:04:31,520
Alex um do we have a sense of the number

1666
01:04:31,520 --> 01:04:34,559
of citations that Annie writes?

1667
01:04:34,559 --> 01:04:36,720
Is there any way to do a breakdown of

1668
01:04:36,720 --> 01:04:39,119
that to under and because it's that and

1669
01:04:39,119 --> 01:04:42,720
her other code enforcement activities

1670
01:04:42,720 --> 01:04:45,119
to get a sense of

1671
01:04:45,119 --> 01:04:47,839
how much time is able to be done toward

1672
01:04:47,839 --> 01:04:50,480
enforcement. So that's just some data to

1673
01:04:50,480 --> 01:04:52,000
back up how many citations are we

1674
01:04:52,000 --> 01:04:53,119
writing.

1675
01:04:53,119 --> 01:04:53,839
>> I can tell.

1676
01:04:53,839 --> 01:04:55,440
>> Yeah, that would be great.

1677
01:04:55,440 --> 01:04:57,280
>> We we talked a little bit about that and

1678
01:04:57,280 --> 01:04:59,359
I think that data has at some point

1679
01:04:59,359 --> 01:05:01,359
earlier was surfaced. I think we said

1680
01:05:01,359 --> 01:05:04,160
8020 law enforcement versus parking.

1681
01:05:04,160 --> 01:05:06,720
Yes, 8020 was the split generally.

1682
01:05:06,720 --> 01:05:09,200
>> And then and then of in that 20% of

1683
01:05:09,200 --> 01:05:10,720
time,

1684
01:05:10,720 --> 01:05:12,720
>> how many are we writing which we to your

1685
01:05:12,720 --> 01:05:15,280
point, it's a manual process, right?

1686
01:05:15,280 --> 01:05:17,280
We're chalking, we're going down, then

1687
01:05:17,280 --> 01:05:18,720
you got to come back. It's a two, in

1688
01:05:18,720 --> 01:05:20,559
fact, it's a two-step process.

1689
01:05:20,559 --> 01:05:22,160
>> Um,

1690
01:05:22,160 --> 01:05:23,760
I love the fact that as you think about

1691
01:05:23,760 --> 01:05:24,880
technology, you're already thinking

1692
01:05:24,880 --> 01:05:27,039
about integration with where these

1693
01:05:27,039 --> 01:05:29,680
things ultimately need to go. And I

1694
01:05:29,680 --> 01:05:31,599
think you all already know this, right?

1695
01:05:31,599 --> 01:05:33,280
like let's only support those systems

1696
01:05:33,280 --> 01:05:34,720
that would integrate with Montgomery

1697
01:05:34,720 --> 01:05:35,920
County since that's where they need to

1698
01:05:35,920 --> 01:05:38,160
go. One question I had uh Nate's

1699
01:05:38,160 --> 01:05:40,480
question prompted this

1700
01:05:40,480 --> 01:05:42,160
is there any potential for partnering

1701
01:05:42,160 --> 01:05:43,839
with Montgomery County if we use the

1702
01:05:43,839 --> 01:05:45,760
same handhelds if we choose to do that

1703
01:05:45,760 --> 01:05:47,839
and our tickets are going flowing into

1704
01:05:47,839 --> 01:05:49,760
their system. Is there any partnership

1705
01:05:49,760 --> 01:05:52,160
that can be done with whoever is the

1706
01:05:52,160 --> 01:05:53,599
parking authority at the county to

1707
01:05:53,599 --> 01:05:56,079
either receive handhelds from them,

1708
01:05:56,079 --> 01:05:57,920
lease handhelds from them, get

1709
01:05:57,920 --> 01:06:00,240
purchasing power with them, something to

1710
01:06:00,240 --> 01:06:02,400
that extent. Yeah, that's

1711
01:06:02,400 --> 01:06:02,960
>> good point.

1712
01:06:02,960 --> 01:06:04,160
>> Or even partner with them on the

1713
01:06:04,160 --> 01:06:06,720
enforcement. Could we do that?

1714
01:06:06,720 --> 01:06:09,520
>> We could explore that. Well, but that

1715
01:06:09,520 --> 01:06:11,599
led me to my third point, which I know,

1716
01:06:11,599 --> 01:06:14,559
you teed it up perfectly, which is if if

1717
01:06:14,559 --> 01:06:16,559
we're using the same technology and if

1718
01:06:16,559 --> 01:06:18,799
we are in partnership with them, is

1719
01:06:18,799 --> 01:06:20,720
there a way when we want additional

1720
01:06:20,720 --> 01:06:23,200
enforcement and it doesn't it's not our

1721
01:06:23,200 --> 01:06:25,520
town enforcement, can we either contract

1722
01:06:25,520 --> 01:06:28,000
out with a third party vendor that is

1723
01:06:28,000 --> 01:06:30,400
certified on that equipment somehow or

1724
01:06:30,400 --> 01:06:32,720
with Montgomery County traffic division,

1725
01:06:32,720 --> 01:06:34,960
>> like the crossing guards, you know, rent

1726
01:06:34,960 --> 01:06:36,480
some because if they are, they know how

1727
01:06:36,480 --> 01:06:39,359
to use the ran a of crossing. I mean,

1728
01:06:39,359 --> 01:06:40,079
uh,

1729
01:06:40,079 --> 01:06:41,599
>> yeah, there was a little bit of

1730
01:06:41,599 --> 01:06:44,160
discussion around third party vendors

1731
01:06:44,160 --> 01:06:47,200
for enforcement and our former town

1732
01:06:47,200 --> 01:06:49,280
manager Matt has talked with other

1733
01:06:49,280 --> 01:06:51,200
nearby jurisdictions have done that and

1734
01:06:51,200 --> 01:06:53,200
they have had poor results.

1735
01:06:53,200 --> 01:06:55,839
>> Okay, that's good data points to have.

1736
01:06:55,839 --> 01:06:59,039
>> So, however, um, the the direction

1737
01:06:59,039 --> 01:07:00,480
you're going with your questioning

1738
01:07:00,480 --> 01:07:03,200
around like could you pay back on

1739
01:07:03,200 --> 01:07:05,599
leasing or procurement vehicles? Are

1740
01:07:05,599 --> 01:07:08,079
there shared staffing arrangements that

1741
01:07:08,079 --> 01:07:10,559
could be done with other

1742
01:07:10,559 --> 01:07:11,920
>> We do shared staffing with Montgomery

1743
01:07:11,920 --> 01:07:14,720
County Police for policing. Um, not to

1744
01:07:14,720 --> 01:07:16,799
say that, but like there is the whole

1745
01:07:16,799 --> 01:07:18,480
parking division of Montgomery County.

1746
01:07:18,480 --> 01:07:20,400
Is there the schedule where we pay an

1747
01:07:20,400 --> 01:07:22,400
hourly fee because we're on the same

1748
01:07:22,400 --> 01:07:24,880
equipment and their vehicles, their

1749
01:07:24,880 --> 01:07:27,440
technology, their people are helping us

1750
01:07:27,440 --> 01:07:29,280
when needed.

1751
01:07:29,280 --> 01:07:31,599
>> So,

1752
01:07:31,599 --> 01:07:33,599
>> great. Thank you.

1753
01:07:33,599 --> 01:07:35,520
>> Anything else?

1754
01:07:35,520 --> 01:07:39,839
Um it say

1755
01:07:39,839 --> 01:07:42,160
>> no I the only other thing I would ask

1756
01:07:42,160 --> 01:07:44,880
and I think so from Nigel did a

1757
01:07:44,880 --> 01:07:48,880
fantastic job is is Walker Consulting

1758
01:07:48,880 --> 01:07:51,280
fully aware of kind of the uses of

1759
01:07:51,280 --> 01:07:53,440
building like Brookwood school and its

1760
01:07:53,440 --> 01:07:58,480
unique traffic um um you know Springual

1761
01:07:58,480 --> 01:08:00,160
its unique traffic church you know

1762
01:08:00,160 --> 01:08:01,760
Sundays are different than Saturdays are

1763
01:08:01,760 --> 01:08:03,599
different than you know all of those

1764
01:08:03,599 --> 01:08:05,520
building use kind of activities.

1765
01:08:05,520 --> 01:08:08,480
>> We did our best both with the sampling

1766
01:08:08,480 --> 01:08:11,280
for when Nigel, who was one of the key

1767
01:08:11,280 --> 01:08:12,960
consultants on the project, was in

1768
01:08:12,960 --> 01:08:15,599
Kensington, but also when we did our

1769
01:08:15,599 --> 01:08:17,600
stakeholder meetings, we purposfully

1770
01:08:17,600 --> 01:08:22,319
invited um schools, uh churches,

1771
01:08:22,319 --> 01:08:24,480
congregations to be a part of that as

1772
01:08:24,480 --> 01:08:27,440
well as businesses. So, we had

1773
01:08:27,440 --> 01:08:29,199
>> uh representation from

1774
01:08:29,199 --> 01:08:31,679
>> I think R.J. was there from Brookwood.

1775
01:08:31,679 --> 01:08:33,359
>> Yeah, R.J. was there from Brookwood. I'm

1776
01:08:33,359 --> 01:08:34,880
trying to remember if spring bilingual

1777
01:08:34,880 --> 01:08:36,400
was part of the conversation. I feel

1778
01:08:36,400 --> 01:08:38,640
like you were okay.

1779
01:08:38,640 --> 01:08:42,319
>> Um we also um talked with some of the

1780
01:08:42,319 --> 01:08:44,239
congregations

1781
01:08:44,239 --> 01:08:49,120
um and some of those uh variances and

1782
01:08:49,120 --> 01:08:51,600
>> and uh parking demand I think are

1783
01:08:51,600 --> 01:08:53,920
documented in the in the study.

1784
01:08:53,920 --> 01:08:55,520
>> When I walked with Nigel, I gave him

1785
01:08:55,520 --> 01:08:57,920
that information as well as we walked.

1786
01:08:57,920 --> 01:09:00,480
The other thing that that they added in

1787
01:09:00,480 --> 01:09:02,960
um you may have noticed um new

1788
01:09:02,960 --> 01:09:05,120
developments like the Kinsing Crossings,

1789
01:09:05,120 --> 01:09:06,960
Warner Circle,

1790
01:09:06,960 --> 01:09:09,839
>> um the new proposed townhouse

1791
01:09:09,839 --> 01:09:12,560
development. Um that of course just

1792
01:09:12,560 --> 01:09:15,040
recently popped up. So they asked for

1793
01:09:15,040 --> 01:09:16,719
information about that, whatever was

1794
01:09:16,719 --> 01:09:18,400
publicly available. So that's being

1795
01:09:18,400 --> 01:09:19,279
provided to them.

1796
01:09:19,279 --> 01:09:21,279
>> Future programming for noise because it

1797
01:09:21,279 --> 01:09:24,880
will have an expansion program.

1798
01:09:24,880 --> 01:09:27,359
>> Yeah. the HOC building, the Dietrich

1799
01:09:27,359 --> 01:09:30,000
building as mentioned as well. So, they

1800
01:09:30,000 --> 01:09:32,159
tried, but we didn't ask them to focus

1801
01:09:32,159 --> 01:09:34,319
too much on that. It was just we wanted

1802
01:09:34,319 --> 01:09:36,080
them to be aware that that was going to

1803
01:09:36,080 --> 01:09:38,560
have spillover impacts

1804
01:09:38,560 --> 01:09:42,950
um on the surrounding streets.

1805
01:09:42,960 --> 01:09:44,719
» That is my questions for now. Appreciate

1806
01:09:44,719 --> 01:09:46,000
this. You guys have done great work on

1807
01:09:46,000 --> 01:09:48,080
this.

1808
01:09:48,080 --> 01:09:50,000
>> Does anybody in the audience or online

1809
01:09:50,000 --> 01:09:54,000
have a question for Ann and Stuart? Joe?

1810
01:09:54,000 --> 01:09:58,400
Yeah, not so much a question, mayor, as just to emphasize or add to a couple

1811
01:09:58,400 --> 01:10:01,120
of points that they uh presented so

1812
01:10:01,120 --> 01:10:03,760
admirably tonight. Um there was some

1813
01:10:03,760 --> 01:10:05,840
data

1814
01:10:05,840 --> 01:10:08,080
shared at the May 4th parking

1815
01:10:08,080 --> 01:10:10,960
consultants meeting. Um and my notes say

1816
01:10:10,960 --> 01:10:13,360
that uh there was $4,000 a year in

1817
01:10:13,360 --> 01:10:16,239
parking fines collected in in the town.

1818
01:10:16,239 --> 01:10:18,880
I don't know if that's um from the town

1819
01:10:18,880 --> 01:10:20,400
or from the parking consultants

1820
01:10:20,400 --> 01:10:22,159
themselves, but it's in my notes. So

1821
01:10:22,159 --> 01:10:27,120
that's that's a a data point that that might be investigated a little bit.

1822
01:10:27,120 --> 01:10:29,600
U just a couple of emphases. U one of

1823
01:10:29,600 --> 01:10:32,480
the Walker consultants um actually

1824
01:10:32,480 --> 01:10:36,080
Nigel's boss Megan u who joined our call

1825
01:10:36,080 --> 01:10:39,840
last week u emphasized the the real

1826
01:10:39,840 --> 01:10:41,679
importance of enforcement as an

1827
01:10:41,679 --> 01:10:45,040
essential building block to uh to any

1828
01:10:45,040 --> 01:10:48,080
solid traffic plan. And this this echoes

1829
01:10:48,080 --> 01:10:49,760
something we've heard ever since the

1830
01:10:49,760 --> 01:10:52,880
task force got going back in

1831
01:10:52,880 --> 01:10:56,000
2024. And uh the the the critical

1832
01:10:56,000 --> 01:10:59,360
importance of of enforcement is um is

1833
01:10:59,360 --> 01:11:01,600
not lost on the task force, I hope. And

1834
01:11:01,600 --> 01:11:03,360
also there was some discussion at last

1835
01:11:03,360 --> 01:11:06,640
week's meeting about u what the task

1836
01:11:06,640 --> 01:11:08,880
force has identified as intermittent hot

1837
01:11:08,880 --> 01:11:12,480
spots in town. Now, these are short-term

1838
01:11:12,480 --> 01:11:15,920
parking violations at clearly marked no

1839
01:11:15,920 --> 01:11:18,159
parking places in town that that

1840
01:11:18,159 --> 01:11:21,360
nonetheless um uh are those those no

1841
01:11:21,360 --> 01:11:23,040
parking signs are violated. And they

1842
01:11:23,040 --> 01:11:25,679
cause they can cause short-term traffic

1843
01:11:25,679 --> 01:11:27,440
disruptions. And there's a whole list of

1844
01:11:27,440 --> 01:11:30,880
them about 10 such hotspots ranging from

1845
01:11:30,880 --> 01:11:35,520
10400 Connecticut Avenue to uh um to uh

1846
01:11:35,520 --> 01:11:39,280
the new um Kensington Crossing parking

1847
01:11:39,280 --> 01:11:42,640
situation and so forth. And and those u

1848
01:11:42,640 --> 01:11:45,600
uh were uh discussed toward the end of

1849
01:11:45,600 --> 01:11:47,280
the meeting last week with with Nigel.

1850
01:11:47,280 --> 01:11:48,560
And I think that's really important not

1851
01:11:48,560 --> 01:11:50,800
to lose sight of that because parking

1852
01:11:50,800 --> 01:11:53,040
problems in town are not of one

1853
01:11:53,040 --> 01:11:55,520
dimension. there there's multiple kinds

1854
01:11:55,520 --> 01:11:57,920
and multiple parts of town. It's not all

1855
01:11:57,920 --> 01:11:59,520
business core. It's not all commercial

1856
01:11:59,520 --> 01:12:01,120
core. It also extends into the

1857
01:12:01,120 --> 01:12:03,440
residential areas. So, um it's an

1858
01:12:03,440 --> 01:12:06,719
important point that um uh we've we've

1859
01:12:06,719 --> 01:12:10,480
mentioned to to Nigel in the past.

1860
01:12:10,480 --> 01:12:12,480
>> Okay. Thank you.

1861
01:12:12,480 --> 01:12:14,400
>> Thank you, Joe, for offering that data

1862
01:12:14,400 --> 01:12:17,280
point. It um makes me think back to your

1863
01:12:17,280 --> 01:12:19,760
question, Nate, about like would we

1864
01:12:19,760 --> 01:12:21,679
collect enough in enforcement to cover

1865
01:12:21,679 --> 01:12:24,000
the costs. I think part of what you've

1866
01:12:24,000 --> 01:12:26,239
heard in this discussion is that we

1867
01:12:26,239 --> 01:12:27,840
don't have our enforcement at the hours

1868
01:12:27,840 --> 01:12:29,920
when we are actually seeing violations

1869
01:12:29,920 --> 01:12:31,760
and our code enforcement officers only

1870
01:12:31,760 --> 01:12:33,760
20% of the time.

1871
01:12:33,760 --> 01:12:36,480
>> I think there's room for improvement

1872
01:12:36,480 --> 01:12:38,880
even if we're only recovering 30% of the

1873
01:12:38,880 --> 01:12:39,760
overall fine.

1874
01:12:39,760 --> 01:12:40,719
>> Yeah.

1875
01:12:40,719 --> 01:12:43,360
>> Could I get clarity on that, Alex? We It

1876
01:12:43,360 --> 01:12:45,120
is my understanding we don't receive any

1877
01:12:45,120 --> 01:12:46,640
money from Montgomery County for the

1878
01:12:46,640 --> 01:12:48,080
parking tickets. No, we do receive

1879
01:12:48,080 --> 01:12:51,360
>> We do receive $15 for every 60 in

1880
01:12:51,360 --> 01:12:51,840
tickets.

1881
01:12:51,840 --> 01:12:54,719
>> $15 for every 60 tickets.

1882
01:12:54,719 --> 01:12:56,239
>> No, we

1883
01:12:56,239 --> 01:12:57,040
>> get more than that.

1884
01:12:57,040 --> 01:12:59,280
>> 5%.

1885
01:12:59,280 --> 01:13:02,960
>> We will get Yeah. tickets.

1886
01:13:02,960 --> 01:13:03,840
>> Okay.

1887
01:13:03,840 --> 01:13:05,520
>> Because maybe we weren't giving enough

1888
01:13:05,520 --> 01:13:06,640
out to make money.

1889
01:13:06,640 --> 01:13:07,600
>> Come to the

1890
01:13:07,600 --> 01:13:09,360
>> Oh, come up.

1891
01:13:09,360 --> 01:13:11,600
>> Yeah, you have to come to the

1892
01:13:11,600 --> 01:13:12,400
>> Just for the Yeah.

1893
01:13:12,400 --> 01:13:13,760
>> Yeah. Just for the record, give your

1894
01:13:13,760 --> 01:13:14,640
name and your um

1895
01:13:14,640 --> 01:13:16,960
>> I don't want to get hit for as possible.

1896
01:13:16,960 --> 01:13:21,679
>> David Shaw, my SPMA board member. Um

1897
01:13:21,679 --> 01:13:24,719
we're we're just trying to figure out

1898
01:13:24,719 --> 01:13:27,679
how how to expand the school, which

1899
01:13:27,679 --> 01:13:30,239
isn't the topic of specific topic of my

1900
01:13:30,239 --> 01:13:32,400
question, but relate to it.

1901
01:13:32,400 --> 01:13:34,480
>> Obviously, parking traffic concerns are

1902
01:13:34,480 --> 01:13:37,360
a big part of it. So we're we're this is

1903
01:13:37,360 --> 01:13:39,760
a really important meeting because it's

1904
01:13:39,760 --> 01:13:41,920
we're understanding how much you're

1905
01:13:41,920 --> 01:13:45,040
struggling with both and that it's still

1906
01:13:45,040 --> 01:13:47,840
materializing your strategy. But uh

1907
01:13:47,840 --> 01:13:49,679
specifically, is there any part of the

1908
01:13:49,679 --> 01:13:53,600
Walker study that's available to us to

1909
01:13:53,600 --> 01:13:54,480
read?

1910
01:13:54,480 --> 01:13:58,239
>> Yes. Yes. Um it was included in the um

1911
01:13:58,239 --> 01:14:00,719
agenda and materials that went out with

1912
01:14:00,719 --> 01:14:01,600
the meeting notice.

1913
01:14:01,600 --> 01:14:02,960
>> He sent it to you guys.

1914
01:14:02,960 --> 01:14:05,600
>> Oh, okay. It was not translated. We will

1915
01:14:05,600 --> 01:14:07,040
make it available.

1916
01:14:07,040 --> 01:14:08,000
>> Okay.

1917
01:14:08,000 --> 01:14:08,400
>> Yes.

1918
01:14:08,400 --> 01:14:10,239
>> Okay. So, you'll just put it on the

1919
01:14:10,239 --> 01:14:10,880
website.

1920
01:14:10,880 --> 01:14:12,880
>> Oh, I can I can email it to you, Diane.

1921
01:14:12,880 --> 01:14:13,199
Okay.

1922
01:14:13,199 --> 01:14:14,719
>> Yes, we can make it available, I think,

1923
01:14:14,719 --> 01:14:16,239
as part of the

1924
01:14:16,239 --> 01:14:18,719
>> the minutes the meeting as the

1925
01:14:18,719 --> 01:14:20,000
>> We want you to read it.

1926
01:14:20,000 --> 01:14:22,239
>> We want Yeah. And in fact,

1927
01:14:22,239 --> 01:14:23,760
>> we want to read it.

1928
01:14:23,760 --> 01:14:24,159
>> Yeah.

1929
01:14:24,159 --> 01:14:25,679
>> Yes. Absolutely.

1930
01:14:25,679 --> 01:14:27,920
>> Okay. I'm sorry. No, I I know they're

1931
01:14:27,920 --> 01:14:30,960
making revisions, too. B, so we'll we

1932
01:14:30,960 --> 01:14:31,840
can make

1933
01:14:31,840 --> 01:14:34,239
>> maybe more than one copy available.

1934
01:14:34,239 --> 01:14:35,840
>> Okay. Thank you.

1935
01:14:35,840 --> 01:14:38,000
>> Um,

1936
01:14:38,000 --> 01:14:40,480
Alex, is you're going to talk

1937
01:14:40,480 --> 01:14:43,120
um pull the information for Ann on

1938
01:14:43,120 --> 01:14:45,760
Montgomery Countyy's infraction cost and

1939
01:14:45,760 --> 01:14:47,840
our percentage of it because it's in

1940
01:14:47,840 --> 01:14:51,120
here as well. Um,

1941
01:14:51,120 --> 01:14:52,480
do we do any sort of graduated

1942
01:14:52,480 --> 01:14:54,480
ticketing? Does Montgomery County do any

1943
01:14:54,480 --> 01:14:56,239
graduating? So, first offense, second

1944
01:14:56,239 --> 01:14:58,239
offense, third offense. Um,

1945
01:14:58,239 --> 01:14:59,120
>> we do not.

1946
01:14:59,120 --> 01:15:01,120
>> Okay. And if we did, that's just part of

1947
01:15:01,120 --> 01:15:02,880
the analysis. It was in the one of the

1948
01:15:02,880 --> 01:15:06,159
options. If if we were to discuss some

1949
01:15:06,159 --> 01:15:08,719
sort of graduated ticketing for multiple

1950
01:15:08,719 --> 01:15:10,640
offenses,

1951
01:15:10,640 --> 01:15:14,400
is it is our portion of that a flat

1952
01:15:14,400 --> 01:15:16,239
dollar amount or is it always a

1953
01:15:16,239 --> 01:15:18,640
percentage of the value of the ticket?

1954
01:15:18,640 --> 01:15:20,000
That would be the information I wanted

1955
01:15:20,000 --> 01:15:25,189
to see from Montgomery County. Yeah.

1956
01:15:25,199 --> 01:15:29,910
Okay. Any other questions?

1957
01:15:29,920 --> 01:15:32,080
» Anything else?

1958
01:15:32,080 --> 01:15:32,800
>> Thank you.

1959
01:15:32,800 --> 01:15:33,679
>> Okay. So,

1960
01:15:33,679 --> 01:15:35,280
>> so we're going to do the meeting on the

1961
01:15:35,280 --> 01:15:38,320
21st, 6 o'clock, and then the town

1962
01:15:38,320 --> 01:15:40,560
meeting will be at 7:30.

1963
01:15:40,560 --> 01:15:41,120
>> Okay.

1964
01:15:41,120 --> 01:15:44,400
>> So, can uh Alex, you or Brooke put the

1965
01:15:44,400 --> 01:15:46,480
meeting onto the town calendar?

1966
01:15:46,480 --> 01:15:50,239
>> Yes. Okay, great.

1967
01:15:50,239 --> 01:15:52,480
>> And we'll confirm with Walker.

1968
01:15:52,480 --> 01:15:53,679
>> Yeah.

1969
01:15:53,679 --> 01:15:55,600
They knew we were going to discuss

1970
01:15:55,600 --> 01:15:58,400
timing tonight.

1971
01:15:58,400 --> 01:15:59,199
>> Okay, good.

1972
01:15:59,199 --> 01:16:01,120
>> Thank you for your input.

1973
01:16:01,120 --> 01:16:02,400
>> Nice. Thank you for your questions.

1974
01:16:02,400 --> 01:16:03,440
Fantastic.

1975
01:16:03,440 --> 01:16:05,679
>> Okay. All right. Let's uh move down to

1976
01:16:05,679 --> 01:16:09,840
the 3420 Pliers Mill Road um update and

1977
01:16:09,840 --> 01:16:14,239
I think it we got another uh an updated

1978
01:16:14,239 --> 01:16:15,199
>> um appraisal.

1979
01:16:15,199 --> 01:16:21,189
>> Appraisal. Thank you.

1980
01:16:21,199 --> 01:16:22,880
» Do you need

1981
01:16:22,880 --> 01:16:26,080
Bye Matt.

1982
01:16:26,080 --> 01:16:26,560
A

1983
01:16:26,560 --> 01:16:27,920
>> you don't want to stay for the whole

1984
01:16:27,920 --> 01:16:29,120
meeting.

1985
01:16:29,120 --> 01:16:30,960
>> Matt, could you please come to the uh

1986
01:16:30,960 --> 01:16:33,520
and announce yourself? For an honor, you

1987
01:16:33,520 --> 01:16:35,440
know where these are. They were on my

1988
01:16:35,440 --> 01:16:36,320
desk.

1989
01:16:36,320 --> 01:16:38,320
>> I will forever. Thank you for that.

1990
01:16:38,320 --> 01:16:38,640
>> Yeah.

1991
01:16:38,640 --> 01:16:40,080
>> Oh, I will explain it later.

1992
01:16:40,080 --> 01:16:41,280
>> Okay.

1993
01:16:41,280 --> 01:16:43,199
>> Signing off. And um

1994
01:16:43,199 --> 01:16:44,560
>> Do we need to do a picture with you? Can

1995
01:16:44,560 --> 01:16:46,159
we do a picture with Matt?

1996
01:16:46,159 --> 01:16:46,719
>> Can we?

1997
01:16:46,719 --> 01:16:47,040
>> Sure.

1998
01:16:47,040 --> 01:16:47,600
>> All right. Yeah,

1999
01:16:47,600 --> 01:16:49,120
>> let's do a picture.

2000
01:16:49,120 --> 01:16:50,320
>> Do we need to make a motion?

2001
01:16:50,320 --> 01:16:53,840
>> Yeah. Second approve.

2002
01:16:53,840 --> 01:16:55,360
>> Wait, where are we? Yeah, we're doing

2003
01:16:55,360 --> 01:16:57,520
it.

2004
01:16:57,520 --> 01:16:59,040
>> Center.

2005
01:16:59,040 --> 01:17:00,880
>> Should we all stand right here?

2006
01:17:00,880 --> 01:17:02,560
>> Come on. Let's act like we we're friends

2007
01:17:02,560 --> 01:17:05,990
with it.

2008
01:17:06,000 --> 01:17:07,840
» Come on,

2009
01:17:07,840 --> 01:17:10,159
get in there. Come on.

2010
01:17:10,159 --> 01:17:16,070
>> Come on. Get in there.

2011
01:17:16,080 --> 01:17:18,800
» Yeah. [laughter]

2012
01:17:18,800 --> 01:17:22,683
Shoulder to shoulder.

2013
01:17:22,693 --> 01:17:24,719
» [laughter]

2014
01:17:24,719 --> 01:17:26,560
» Pull some chairs back, too. Look at a

2015
01:17:26,560 --> 01:17:30,709
nice one of you guys.

2016
01:17:30,719 --> 01:17:34,229
» There we go.

2017
01:17:34,239 --> 01:17:37,679
» No, don't say that. Don't say that.

2018
01:17:37,679 --> 01:17:41,280
>> All right, we go. One, two, and three.

2019
01:17:41,280 --> 01:17:44,400
We'll take a couple more. Hang on.

2020
01:17:44,400 --> 01:17:49,760
One, two, three smiles. One, two, break, break. One, two, three. Okay, I

2021
01:17:49,760 --> 01:17:56,149
think I got one. Thank you.

2022
01:17:56,159 --> 01:18:02,310
» All right,

2023
01:18:02,320 --> 01:18:04,800
» sorry. Did you get your dresser?

2024
01:18:04,800 --> 01:18:07,760
>> Matt, did you get your dresser?

2025
01:18:07,760 --> 01:18:10,400
>> Okay,

2026
01:18:10,400 --> 01:18:13,360
we're live. Sorry, but

2027
01:18:13,360 --> 01:18:15,120
this way. Thank you again.

2028
01:18:15,120 --> 01:18:18,400
>> Thank you, Matt. Um, watch that. You

2029
01:18:18,400 --> 01:18:20,239
guys have my number

2030
01:18:20,239 --> 01:18:20,719
>> and

2031
01:18:20,719 --> 01:18:22,560
>> Dr. Alex will be reaching out to you

2032
01:18:22,560 --> 01:18:23,840
occasionally for sure.

2033
01:18:23,840 --> 01:18:25,120
>> Did you turn in your keys?

2034
01:18:25,120 --> 01:18:26,640
>> Yes, he did.

2035
01:18:26,640 --> 01:18:31,760
>> And you know, if you miss us, we're live streaming our meetings. So,

2036
01:18:31,760 --> 01:18:34,080
>> if you're really bored

2037
01:18:34,080 --> 01:18:38,159
updates periodically from

2038
01:18:38,159 --> 01:18:40,480
you've been here as long as I have, you

2039
01:18:40,480 --> 01:18:42,480
can't even explain how much of a help

2040
01:18:42,480 --> 01:18:44,880
you've been. So, really,

2041
01:18:44,880 --> 01:18:46,480
>> thank you very much. It's been a

2042
01:18:46,480 --> 01:18:47,760
pleasure.

2043
01:18:47,760 --> 01:18:51,669
>> Alex,

2044
01:18:51,679 --> 01:18:52,480
» thank you, Matt.

2045
01:18:52,480 --> 01:18:53,040
>> Bye, Matt.

2046
01:18:53,040 --> 01:18:53,600
>> Bye.

2047
01:18:53,600 --> 01:18:56,320
Matt.

2048
01:18:56,320 --> 01:18:58,480
>> A so sad.

2049
01:18:58,480 --> 01:18:59,840
>> Okay.

2050
01:18:59,840 --> 01:19:01,840
>> All right. We were talking about uh the

2051
01:19:01,840 --> 01:19:05,520
uh number five updated appraisal.

2052
01:19:05,520 --> 01:19:07,920
So, you hand or Alex, do you want to

2053
01:19:07,920 --> 01:19:10,800
take that?

2054
01:19:10,800 --> 01:19:12,960
>> Don't fight over it.

2055
01:19:12,960 --> 01:19:15,600
Uh so we I sent we received an updated

2056
01:19:15,600 --> 01:19:18,800
appraisal for 3420 Pers Mill Road. Uh

2057
01:19:18,800 --> 01:19:21,280
the first one was for $450,000. The

2058
01:19:21,280 --> 01:19:24,480
updated appraisal is for $560,000.

2059
01:19:24,480 --> 01:19:26,480
>> Okay.

2060
01:19:26,480 --> 01:19:28,719
>> And uh let's can you just go over

2061
01:19:28,719 --> 01:19:30,719
quickly how we we're putting it up for

2062
01:19:30,719 --> 01:19:33,040
sale and how we're planning on doing

2063
01:19:33,040 --> 01:19:33,679
that?

2064
01:19:33,679 --> 01:19:38,159
>> Yes. So, we're listing on Bright MLS and

2065
01:19:38,159 --> 01:19:41,360
uh our appraiser is going to create a

2066
01:19:41,360 --> 01:19:43,040
description for us about the property

2067
01:19:43,040 --> 01:19:44,320
for us to post.

2068
01:19:44,320 --> 01:19:44,800
>> Okay.

2069
01:19:44,800 --> 01:19:46,880
>> And so once you guys give us the okay,

2070
01:19:46,880 --> 01:19:47,920
we will list it.

2071
01:19:47,920 --> 01:19:48,640
>> Okay.

2072
01:19:48,640 --> 01:19:51,199
>> Good. Right. Well, I mean, you kind of

2073
01:19:51,199 --> 01:19:53,120
have the okay, so it's just we're just

2074
01:19:53,120 --> 01:19:55,920
waiting for the So, when you get the

2075
01:19:55,920 --> 01:19:57,760
description

2076
01:19:57,760 --> 01:20:00,000
Yeah. Okay. Any questions from the

2077
01:20:00,000 --> 01:20:02,880
council?

2078
01:20:02,880 --> 01:20:04,000
>> Whoa.

2079
01:20:04,000 --> 01:20:04,400
Go ahead.

2080
01:20:04,400 --> 01:20:07,760
>> Go ahead. You open your mouth first.

2081
01:20:07,760 --> 01:20:09,120
Happy to defer. You're probably asking

2082
01:20:09,120 --> 01:20:11,040
question. We had talked about

2083
01:20:11,040 --> 01:20:12,800
>> potentially adding some conditions to

2084
01:20:12,800 --> 01:20:14,400
the sale potentially.

2085
01:20:14,400 --> 01:20:15,679
>> I think there was no variance.

2086
01:20:15,679 --> 01:20:16,400
>> No variance.

2087
01:20:16,400 --> 01:20:18,239
>> We're not going to entertain a variance.

2088
01:20:18,239 --> 01:20:20,080
>> Is that is that part of this plan?

2089
01:20:20,080 --> 01:20:22,000
>> Yes, it will need to be. Any description

2090
01:20:22,000 --> 01:20:24,640
of the for sale of the property will

2091
01:20:24,640 --> 01:20:26,400
have to have these conditions on it so

2092
01:20:26,400 --> 01:20:27,760
that you're straightforward from the

2093
01:20:27,760 --> 01:20:29,440
beginning as to what the the

2094
01:20:29,440 --> 01:20:31,120
requirements are. You know what the

2095
01:20:31,120 --> 01:20:32,640
restrictions are going to be. Yes.

2096
01:20:32,640 --> 01:20:34,800
>> Okay. So to Sue's point though, is the

2097
01:20:34,800 --> 01:20:37,280
plan to have a draft description for

2098
01:20:37,280 --> 01:20:39,760
review at the October council meeting?

2099
01:20:39,760 --> 01:20:42,400
>> I can do that. Yeah. Yeah. Yep.

2100
01:20:42,400 --> 01:20:46,640
>> Okay. So my question was um in terms of

2101
01:20:46,640 --> 01:20:51,360
the description that will be added to

2102
01:20:51,360 --> 01:20:54,880
the listing, what is the price that is

2103
01:20:54,880 --> 01:20:56,800
going to be listed? We have two

2104
01:20:56,800 --> 01:20:58,000
different appraisal numbers.

2105
01:20:58,000 --> 01:21:00,320
>> I think that's up to you guys, right?

2106
01:21:00,320 --> 01:21:02,080
So, do we need to make a decision on

2107
01:21:02,080 --> 01:21:03,520
that or

2108
01:21:03,520 --> 01:21:06,400
>> the appraisal was brought forward to

2109
01:21:06,400 --> 01:21:08,480
inform you of what the actual value of

2110
01:21:08,480 --> 01:21:10,880
this property is seen to be.

2111
01:21:10,880 --> 01:21:15,040
>> Um, and so that is a good point for you

2112
01:21:15,040 --> 01:21:17,840
to consider in terms of your asking

2113
01:21:17,840 --> 01:21:21,199
price for this property. You can justify

2114
01:21:21,199 --> 01:21:24,560
it to the public, to yourselves. So

2115
01:21:24,560 --> 01:21:28,800
unless you have other considerations you

2116
01:21:28,800 --> 01:21:30,560
want to place on that right now, that

2117
01:21:30,560 --> 01:21:32,000
would be I I don't know that the

2118
01:21:32,000 --> 01:21:35,120
appraisal considered any type of

2119
01:21:35,120 --> 01:21:37,360
restrictions.

2120
01:21:37,360 --> 01:21:39,440
>> It would not normally.

2121
01:21:39,440 --> 01:21:42,960
So uh but it's it's a good basis for

2122
01:21:42,960 --> 01:21:46,080
setting your sale price. But yes, you

2123
01:21:46,080 --> 01:21:46,480
should.

2124
01:21:46,480 --> 01:21:50,640
>> So between 450 and 560 are the two data

2125
01:21:50,640 --> 01:21:53,679
points we have based on the appraisal.

2126
01:21:53,679 --> 01:21:57,280
Uh really the data point you have is

2127
01:21:57,280 --> 01:22:02,310
yeah the latest one. That's really it.

2128
01:22:02,320 --> 01:22:03,760
» So do you want because he's writing it

2129
01:22:03,760 --> 01:22:05,120
up and if we're going to look at it, do

2130
01:22:05,120 --> 01:22:06,159
you want to

2131
01:22:06,159 --> 01:22:07,280
>> just state 560?

2132
01:22:07,280 --> 01:22:08,880
>> I don't see any reason to state anything

2133
01:22:08,880 --> 01:22:10,719
else unless we're like going to throw on

2134
01:22:10,719 --> 01:22:13,040
a suggested bunch of conditions which

2135
01:22:13,040 --> 01:22:15,280
was advised we advised against doing too

2136
01:22:15,280 --> 01:22:16,239
many.

2137
01:22:16,239 --> 01:22:19,040
>> Um I would be fine with listing it for

2138
01:22:19,040 --> 01:22:20,239
the appraised price.

2139
01:22:20,239 --> 01:22:22,560
>> Okay. Did the resolution require us to

2140
01:22:22,560 --> 01:22:24,960
say maximum, you know, seek the maximum

2141
01:22:24,960 --> 01:22:26,080
diet or something like that? Do you

2142
01:22:26,080 --> 01:22:28,159
remember when we sold Joseph's Park or

2143
01:22:28,159 --> 01:22:30,639
No, sorry. Not the not the sale of

2144
01:22:30,639 --> 01:22:33,920
Joseph, but you when we the when the the

2145
01:22:33,920 --> 01:22:35,840
vote came through, did you remember? And

2146
01:22:35,840 --> 01:22:37,520
>> I don't think we had anything on the

2147
01:22:37,520 --> 01:22:38,800
referendum about that. I was just

2148
01:22:38,800 --> 01:22:39,360
selling it in

2149
01:22:39,360 --> 01:22:40,480
>> general. Okay.

2150
01:22:40,480 --> 01:22:43,280
>> Yeah. So we can double check, but

2151
01:22:43,280 --> 01:22:45,600
>> what you should do is what's reasonable

2152
01:22:45,600 --> 01:22:47,520
>> and and you have a pretty good idea of

2153
01:22:47,520 --> 01:22:49,360
what's reasonable based on a very

2154
01:22:49,360 --> 01:22:51,920
current appraisal

2155
01:22:51,920 --> 01:22:53,840
>> is based on you know property values and

2156
01:22:53,840 --> 01:22:56,480
how things what things have sold for in

2157
01:22:56,480 --> 01:22:59,520
nearby sites that type of thing. So

2158
01:22:59,520 --> 01:23:02,320
>> for that for that purpose

2159
01:23:02,320 --> 01:23:05,360
>> I mean personally I would support

2160
01:23:05,360 --> 01:23:07,199
listing it at the appraised price. I

2161
01:23:07,199 --> 01:23:08,960
think that that is the data point that

2162
01:23:08,960 --> 01:23:10,960
we have. It demonstrate we did we paid

2163
01:23:10,960 --> 01:23:13,679
to have the analysis of the lot done.

2164
01:23:13,679 --> 01:23:17,120
The market will also they can choose to

2165
01:23:17,120 --> 01:23:19,840
uh submit a bid at they could choose to

2166
01:23:19,840 --> 01:23:21,679
submit a bid below. They could choose to

2167
01:23:21,679 --> 01:23:24,480
submit a bid above. Um and we will

2168
01:23:24,480 --> 01:23:27,840
evaluate each as they come in based on

2169
01:23:27,840 --> 01:23:30,560
whatever conditions they may put on

2170
01:23:30,560 --> 01:23:32,719
their bid and the price that comes with

2171
01:23:32,719 --> 01:23:35,440
it.

2172
01:23:35,440 --> 01:23:38,320
Have we defined do we have that process

2173
01:23:38,320 --> 01:23:41,199
laid out before like for evaluating?

2174
01:23:41,199 --> 01:23:42,800
>> Yeah. Who's going to evaluate like among

2175
01:23:42,800 --> 01:23:44,560
the councils like when we get those bids

2176
01:23:44,560 --> 01:23:46,320
in is there contingent of us or all of

2177
01:23:46,320 --> 01:23:48,320
us that have to review that and approve

2178
01:23:48,320 --> 01:23:50,560
and like by what is it a majority in

2179
01:23:50,560 --> 01:23:52,000
vote?

2180
01:23:52,000 --> 01:23:54,159
>> Yes. You'll have to approve the sale

2181
01:23:54,159 --> 01:23:55,040
>> by majority.

2182
01:23:55,040 --> 01:23:56,880
>> Yes. The contract of sale for one thing.

2183
01:23:56,880 --> 01:23:58,880
There'll be a contract of sale. You'll

2184
01:23:58,880 --> 01:24:01,280
need to approve that.

2185
01:24:01,280 --> 01:24:04,000
So, are you asking that maybe we have

2186
01:24:04,000 --> 01:24:06,480
like two council members look at the I

2187
01:24:06,480 --> 01:24:07,920
mean, we're acting like, you know, we'll

2188
01:24:07,920 --> 01:24:11,040
get a whole bunch of maybe we will um

2189
01:24:11,040 --> 01:24:12,960
contracts to look sit and look at them,

2190
01:24:12,960 --> 01:24:15,600
you know, with Alex and Suellan and then

2191
01:24:15,600 --> 01:24:17,679
come back to the council, you know, with

2192
01:24:17,679 --> 01:24:19,280
the they'll obviously see the other

2193
01:24:19,280 --> 01:24:21,120
ones, but with the recommendation after

2194
01:24:21,120 --> 01:24:24,560
going through one by one,

2195
01:24:24,560 --> 01:24:26,480
>> I'd be fine with the staff doing it to

2196
01:24:26,480 --> 01:24:29,120
be honest. Um, I don't think I I

2197
01:24:29,120 --> 01:24:30,400
personally don't know more about real

2198
01:24:30,400 --> 01:24:31,760
estate and it seems like a pretty

2199
01:24:31,760 --> 01:24:33,199
straightforward process for buying a

2200
01:24:33,199 --> 01:24:34,639
piece of land

2201
01:24:34,639 --> 01:24:36,880
>> and it's about the price. So, I don't

2202
01:24:36,880 --> 01:24:38,560
personally see the need for us to be

2203
01:24:38,560 --> 01:24:40,800
involved. But, if no one wants to, then

2204
01:24:40,800 --> 01:24:43,120
>> I would also say I have no problem with

2205
01:24:43,120 --> 01:24:45,679
Nate's suggestion and or

2206
01:24:45,679 --> 01:24:48,239
>> that I not be on it since it backs up to

2207
01:24:48,239 --> 01:24:50,159
my property and I don't want a perceived

2208
01:24:50,159 --> 01:24:52,239
conflict. Yeah. Perception of interest.

2209
01:24:52,239 --> 01:24:55,120
>> Yeah. So whether it's two others I trust

2210
01:24:55,120 --> 01:24:57,360
you all or the staff I would be

2211
01:24:57,360 --> 01:24:59,199
supported either.

2212
01:24:59,199 --> 01:25:01,440
>> Well why don't we start with staff to to

2213
01:25:01,440 --> 01:25:02,480
review and then

2214
01:25:02,480 --> 01:25:03,360
>> that's just my opinion.

2215
01:25:03,360 --> 01:25:05,120
>> No but I mean if we start with staff to

2216
01:25:05,120 --> 01:25:07,199
review and then they can if there's any

2217
01:25:07,199 --> 01:25:09,760
questions um they can if something is

2218
01:25:09,760 --> 01:25:11,760
just too odd then we can call in a

2219
01:25:11,760 --> 01:25:13,840
couple of council members other than

2220
01:25:13,840 --> 01:25:16,480
Connor to come in and to review. How's

2221
01:25:16,480 --> 01:25:17,199
that sound?

2222
01:25:17,199 --> 01:25:18,000
>> That's fine. Yeah.

2223
01:25:18,000 --> 01:25:20,080
>> Okay. But I mean they will be available.

2224
01:25:20,080 --> 01:25:22,719
I mean, obviously, if you get like 10 uh

2225
01:25:22,719 --> 01:25:23,760
people, you don't want to be sitting

2226
01:25:23,760 --> 01:25:25,760
there hashing that out, you know, in a

2227
01:25:25,760 --> 01:25:27,520
town meeting. It should be narrowed down

2228
01:25:27,520 --> 01:25:31,280
to maybe one or two at that point. But I

2229
01:25:31,280 --> 01:25:32,880
think we'll be able to put everybody's

2230
01:25:32,880 --> 01:25:34,960
eyes on there at some point. So,

2231
01:25:34,960 --> 01:25:36,400
>> uh just a question on the record for

2232
01:25:36,400 --> 01:25:39,040
town attorney Suen. I mean, I have no

2233
01:25:39,040 --> 01:25:40,159
problem and I've asked to just be

2234
01:25:40,159 --> 01:25:41,840
stepping away from the analysis of it if

2235
01:25:41,840 --> 01:25:45,040
but is there any conflict with the fact

2236
01:25:45,040 --> 01:25:46,560
that my property line touches that

2237
01:25:46,560 --> 01:25:49,520
property line in when it comes before

2238
01:25:49,520 --> 01:25:52,159
voting on the contract on me voting on

2239
01:25:52,159 --> 01:25:54,960
it andor would it be more appropriate

2240
01:25:54,960 --> 01:25:57,440
for me to be recuse myself from that

2241
01:25:57,440 --> 01:25:58,159
process?

2242
01:25:58,159 --> 01:26:00,239
>> It's a good question.

2243
01:26:00,239 --> 01:26:01,760
Conflict

2244
01:26:01,760 --> 01:26:04,880
of interest generally

2245
01:26:04,880 --> 01:26:06,560
is

2246
01:26:06,560 --> 01:26:08,960
defined as involving a pecuniary

2247
01:26:08,960 --> 01:26:12,800
interest of you or your family. Okay.

2248
01:26:12,800 --> 01:26:14,960
>> Um and so there has to be something

2249
01:26:14,960 --> 01:26:19,440
that's related to money or

2250
01:26:19,440 --> 01:26:21,360
um

2251
01:26:21,360 --> 01:26:24,000
that that's generally what it is.

2252
01:26:24,000 --> 01:26:26,960
Uh it's hard to see

2253
01:26:26,960 --> 01:26:31,520
how it relates to the relates to any

2254
01:26:31,520 --> 01:26:34,320
>> nearby proximity to the property.

2255
01:26:34,320 --> 01:26:36,480
>> Yeah. I you know you could do you could

2256
01:26:36,480 --> 01:26:39,280
also ask the ethics commission.

2257
01:26:39,280 --> 01:26:41,360
>> You can do that too. It's a little

2258
01:26:41,360 --> 01:26:43,600
>> if you want. I'm talking generally.

2259
01:26:43,600 --> 01:26:44,159
>> Yeah.

2260
01:26:44,159 --> 01:26:47,120
>> I generally don't like to give specific

2261
01:26:47,120 --> 01:26:49,520
legal opinions in open meeting.

2262
01:26:49,520 --> 01:26:52,080
>> Mhm. Uh, and you can't ask for an

2263
01:26:52,080 --> 01:26:53,520
opinion from the ethics commission.

2264
01:26:53,520 --> 01:26:55,440
>> Okay. I welcome both approaches and

2265
01:26:55,440 --> 01:26:58,400
that, you know, I hope and that every

2266
01:26:58,400 --> 01:26:59,840
time we've discussed this, I've tried to

2267
01:26:59,840 --> 01:27:01,600
be very open that this property touches

2268
01:27:01,600 --> 01:27:04,400
the back of my property. Um, but I just

2269
01:27:04,400 --> 01:27:05,920
don't want there to be any perception.

2270
01:27:05,920 --> 01:27:09,440
So, I appreciate the direction.

2271
01:27:09,440 --> 01:27:13,040
>> You lose your view of Flyers Mill Road.

2272
01:27:13,040 --> 01:27:14,719
>> You know, you're going to game

2273
01:27:14,719 --> 01:27:16,239
potentially. That's how I know whether

2274
01:27:16,239 --> 01:27:21,030
my kid made it to the Mland Center.

2275
01:27:21,040 --> 01:27:23,520
» Okay. So, sounds like we have a plan.

2276
01:27:23,520 --> 01:27:26,080
Uh, anyone in the audience or on the

2277
01:27:26,080 --> 01:27:31,270
screen have a question?

2278
01:27:31,280 --> 01:27:34,480
» Okay. All right. Let's move on.

2279
01:27:34,480 --> 01:27:38,639
Um, let's see. Uh, number six, the 10400

2280
01:27:38,639 --> 01:27:40,639
Dietrich Avenue.

2281
01:27:40,639 --> 01:27:42,239
Um

2282
01:27:42,239 --> 01:27:47,040
Nate, Connor and I and Alex sat in uh on

2283
01:27:47,040 --> 01:27:49,920
a discussion with some of the MCPS real

2284
01:27:49,920 --> 01:27:52,960
estate people to discuss the property.

2285
01:27:52,960 --> 01:27:54,480
Um

2286
01:27:54,480 --> 01:27:55,840
Connor, do you want to go ahead and give

2287
01:27:55,840 --> 01:27:56,960
a little report on it?

2288
01:27:56,960 --> 01:28:00,400
>> Sure. Um MCPS reached out to the town to

2289
01:28:00,400 --> 01:28:02,719
discuss the former HORC property at

2290
01:28:02,719 --> 01:28:06,080
10400 Dietrich which they have now taken

2291
01:28:06,080 --> 01:28:09,840
back over control of um since HROC has

2292
01:28:09,840 --> 01:28:11,360
relocated.

2293
01:28:11,360 --> 01:28:14,159
They are operating it in as for

2294
01:28:14,159 --> 01:28:15,679
educational purposes. They do have

2295
01:28:15,679 --> 01:28:17,280
students that are in the building but

2296
01:28:17,280 --> 01:28:20,639
its primary use is as offices. when they

2297
01:28:20,639 --> 01:28:23,040
were evaluating the site for taking it

2298
01:28:23,040 --> 01:28:25,760
back over, we made them aware that, you

2299
01:28:25,760 --> 01:28:28,000
know, there were things we wanted out of

2300
01:28:28,000 --> 01:28:29,520
whoever took over the building to be

2301
01:28:29,520 --> 01:28:31,840
good partners. One was returning the gym

2302
01:28:31,840 --> 01:28:34,000
to the community use of public

2303
01:28:34,000 --> 01:28:37,040
facilities. Um, returning the grass

2304
01:28:37,040 --> 01:28:38,960
field to active Montgomery so that it

2305
01:28:38,960 --> 01:28:41,120
could be signed out for practices and

2306
01:28:41,120 --> 01:28:43,199
soccer and things like that. I think

2307
01:28:43,199 --> 01:28:45,760
everybody understood uh what that needed

2308
01:28:45,760 --> 01:28:49,440
to be, but the realities of the uh daily

2309
01:28:49,440 --> 01:28:51,920
and weekly maintenance and upkeep uh as

2310
01:28:51,920 --> 01:28:53,760
well as some of the equipment that's

2311
01:28:53,760 --> 01:28:56,239
there, the skate park, um some of the

2312
01:28:56,239 --> 01:28:58,480
playground equipment and the current

2313
01:28:58,480 --> 01:29:02,080
state of um wear and tear on that

2314
01:29:02,080 --> 01:29:04,880
equipment. uh MCPS came to ask whether

2315
01:29:04,880 --> 01:29:07,199
or not the town would entertain working

2316
01:29:07,199 --> 01:29:10,639
with them in some capacity on keeping

2317
01:29:10,639 --> 01:29:13,360
the public amenities

2318
01:29:13,360 --> 01:29:15,440
upkept so that they can be made

2319
01:29:15,440 --> 01:29:19,040
available to the public. MCPS's concern

2320
01:29:19,040 --> 01:29:22,960
with the skate park is that it's not

2321
01:29:22,960 --> 01:29:24,960
something that they operate. Um they

2322
01:29:24,960 --> 01:29:27,280
don't have skate parks, you know, county

2323
01:29:27,280 --> 01:29:29,120
has skateparks, but the school system

2324
01:29:29,120 --> 01:29:31,199
does not. they don't have necessary

2325
01:29:31,199 --> 01:29:33,280
liability coverage to cover it.

2326
01:29:33,280 --> 01:29:36,880
Expertise in maintaining it. Uh staff to

2327
01:29:36,880 --> 01:29:38,800
be able to be checking on it for we know

2328
01:29:38,800 --> 01:29:39,760
the things that have happened there.

2329
01:29:39,760 --> 01:29:42,000
Furniture's been dumped. You know,

2330
01:29:42,000 --> 01:29:44,159
graffiti has happened, garbage has been

2331
01:29:44,159 --> 01:29:46,400
strewn, so can we kind of keep a

2332
01:29:46,400 --> 01:29:48,639
watchful eye on it and and have control

2333
01:29:48,639 --> 01:29:50,880
over it? the playground. While that is

2334
01:29:50,880 --> 01:29:54,639
something well within MCPS's purview, um

2335
01:29:54,639 --> 01:29:56,320
their problem is they don't have the

2336
01:29:56,320 --> 01:29:59,360
budget and capital monies really to keep

2337
01:29:59,360 --> 01:29:59,840
it up.

2338
01:29:59,840 --> 01:30:01,520
>> The schools are going to get I mean,

2339
01:30:01,520 --> 01:30:03,280
>> right, so there's a prioritization that

2340
01:30:03,280 --> 01:30:03,760
they have

2341
01:30:03,760 --> 01:30:04,239
>> priority

2342
01:30:04,239 --> 01:30:07,360
>> for how they will fund improvements

2343
01:30:07,360 --> 01:30:10,159
andor upgrades to

2344
01:30:10,159 --> 01:30:13,440
a a playground site. And because this is

2345
01:30:13,440 --> 01:30:16,320
not a primary school, meaning it's first

2346
01:30:16,320 --> 01:30:18,560
and foremost a a school,

2347
01:30:18,560 --> 01:30:19,600
>> an office,

2348
01:30:19,600 --> 01:30:21,600
>> it's first and foremost is as an office,

2349
01:30:21,600 --> 01:30:25,360
it is not going to get weighted high

2350
01:30:25,360 --> 01:30:28,719
enough to get the very limited funding

2351
01:30:28,719 --> 01:30:30,639
available for playground improvements.

2352
01:30:30,639 --> 01:30:33,040
They were being honestly very forthright

2353
01:30:33,040 --> 01:30:37,440
and transparent that without help their

2354
01:30:37,440 --> 01:30:38,800
solution will probably be that they

2355
01:30:38,800 --> 01:30:41,199
would have to shutter that playground

2356
01:30:41,199 --> 01:30:43,760
which serves not only our west side and

2357
01:30:43,760 --> 01:30:45,120
the skate park and not just our west

2358
01:30:45,120 --> 01:30:47,280
side but our neighboring communities.

2359
01:30:47,280 --> 01:30:49,040
Kensington Estates, this is their

2360
01:30:49,040 --> 01:30:53,199
primary uh playground. Um they have the

2361
01:30:53,199 --> 01:30:55,280
capability to

2362
01:30:55,280 --> 01:30:58,080
do mowing. Uh there's some landscape

2363
01:30:58,080 --> 01:31:00,000
improvements. We pointed out that yes,

2364
01:31:00,000 --> 01:31:01,199
there's some mowing, but there's some

2365
01:31:01,199 --> 01:31:03,280
other they're missing some spots, let's

2366
01:31:03,280 --> 01:31:06,239
say. Um, so they asked for our help. Um,

2367
01:31:06,239 --> 01:31:09,600
we discussed with them the potential to

2368
01:31:09,600 --> 01:31:12,000
look at swapping lots, right? Taking on

2369
01:31:12,000 --> 01:31:14,239
that lot in exchange for the lot that

2370
01:31:14,239 --> 01:31:16,800
the town owns underneath the gymnasium.

2371
01:31:16,800 --> 01:31:19,120
I think that's out for discussion, but

2372
01:31:19,120 --> 01:31:21,440
that's a bigger conversation. what's on

2373
01:31:21,440 --> 01:31:21,679
the

2374
01:31:21,679 --> 01:31:26,560
>> for the purpose of if and when um that

2375
01:31:26,560 --> 01:31:29,040
site has been identified as a a very

2376
01:31:29,040 --> 01:31:31,679
good site to implement early childhood

2377
01:31:31,679 --> 01:31:34,000
ed under the blue ribbon commission and

2378
01:31:34,000 --> 01:31:36,239
should they do that they would have to

2379
01:31:36,239 --> 01:31:38,560
make some operational improvements and

2380
01:31:38,560 --> 01:31:40,480
changes to the building how you access

2381
01:31:40,480 --> 01:31:42,880
it how it's laid out um if they needed

2382
01:31:42,880 --> 01:31:44,719
to change any of the physical plant of

2383
01:31:44,719 --> 01:31:47,199
the building some of that building sits

2384
01:31:47,199 --> 01:31:49,600
on our lot and we are as as we told them

2385
01:31:49,600 --> 01:31:52,719
we want to be a stakeholder in how this

2386
01:31:52,719 --> 01:31:57,520
site uh long term gets addressed. But if

2387
01:31:57,520 --> 01:31:59,760
we were to look at the possibility of a

2388
01:31:59,760 --> 01:32:01,520
land swap and sharing that land, you

2389
01:32:01,520 --> 01:32:03,920
know, transferring that land to MCPS and

2390
01:32:03,920 --> 01:32:07,760
DGS in exchange, we took the green space

2391
01:32:07,760 --> 01:32:09,679
inclusive of the playground and the

2392
01:32:09,679 --> 01:32:11,440
skate park because we're very good at

2393
01:32:11,440 --> 01:32:13,920
parks. We know how to do these things.

2394
01:32:13,920 --> 01:32:16,080
Um, we can partner with and work with

2395
01:32:16,080 --> 01:32:18,480
MCPS on, you know, access and things

2396
01:32:18,480 --> 01:32:21,679
like that during school hours, but we

2397
01:32:21,679 --> 01:32:24,239
have the ability to make sure it safe,

2398
01:32:24,239 --> 01:32:27,679
it's up to-date, it's, um, being

2399
01:32:27,679 --> 01:32:30,719
monitored, uh, it's clean, and that

2400
01:32:30,719 --> 01:32:33,120
benefits not just our residents, but the

2401
01:32:33,120 --> 01:32:34,960
greater community. Um, so what they were

2402
01:32:34,960 --> 01:32:36,880
looking for was would the town be

2403
01:32:36,880 --> 01:32:39,280
willing to enter into a short-term uh

2404
01:32:39,280 --> 01:32:41,760
memorandum of understanding anou that

2405
01:32:41,760 --> 01:32:43,679
would outline

2406
01:32:43,679 --> 01:32:45,840
what we would be willing to take on with

2407
01:32:45,840 --> 01:32:48,239
the idea that this short term would be

2408
01:32:48,239 --> 01:32:50,000
>> sometime less than a year or up to a

2409
01:32:50,000 --> 01:32:50,960
year

2410
01:32:50,960 --> 01:32:54,639
>> where we can evaluate for our sake

2411
01:32:54,639 --> 01:32:56,400
what is the cost of doing these things

2412
01:32:56,400 --> 01:32:59,520
right what is the impact on our staffing

2413
01:32:59,520 --> 01:33:02,400
um adding in these additional areas

2414
01:33:02,400 --> 01:33:04,080
there are some upkeep things that they

2415
01:33:04,080 --> 01:33:06,719
are very capable of, new trash cans,

2416
01:33:06,719 --> 01:33:08,400
things that are deteriorating, but they

2417
01:33:08,400 --> 01:33:10,400
can handle that, but trash and cleanup

2418
01:33:10,400 --> 01:33:12,639
and and grass and maintenance. Would we

2419
01:33:12,639 --> 01:33:14,880
be willing to take those things on? And

2420
01:33:14,880 --> 01:33:16,719
>> this would just be in the back, not in

2421
01:33:16,719 --> 01:33:17,679
the front. They would

2422
01:33:17,679 --> 01:33:19,280
>> correct. Correct.

2423
01:33:19,280 --> 01:33:22,320
>> Um, one last is

2424
01:33:22,320 --> 01:33:23,840
they are still not sure what to do with

2425
01:33:23,840 --> 01:33:26,400
the playground because they they're just

2426
01:33:26,400 --> 01:33:28,159
like, are we know how the budgeting

2427
01:33:28,159 --> 01:33:30,000
works.

2428
01:33:30,000 --> 01:33:31,360
Is there any way to partner on

2429
01:33:31,360 --> 01:33:33,520
improvements to the playground? Um, so

2430
01:33:33,520 --> 01:33:36,000
the mayor asked me and I reached out to

2431
01:33:36,000 --> 01:33:37,760
um, Emily Shetty, one of our delegates

2432
01:33:37,760 --> 01:33:41,760
from district 18 about can the state's

2433
01:33:41,760 --> 01:33:44,239
bond program

2434
01:33:44,239 --> 01:33:47,679
allow for us to be a sponsor to the bond

2435
01:33:47,679 --> 01:33:48,960
that would ultimately be for a

2436
01:33:48,960 --> 01:33:51,280
playground at MCPS's site? And she

2437
01:33:51,280 --> 01:33:53,600
believes absolutely uh, and she is more

2438
01:33:53,600 --> 01:33:55,920
than willing to engage with the town,

2439
01:33:55,920 --> 01:33:59,520
work with us on uh, determining that.

2440
01:33:59,520 --> 01:34:01,600
The good news or I guess an easy thing

2441
01:34:01,600 --> 01:34:05,040
is the same playground vendor that we've

2442
01:34:05,040 --> 01:34:07,120
used uh playscapes is the same one that

2443
01:34:07,120 --> 01:34:08,800
the county uses. We're all familiar with

2444
01:34:08,800 --> 01:34:12,880
the same um types of apparatus processes

2445
01:34:12,880 --> 01:34:14,320
uh even right down to the specific

2446
01:34:14,320 --> 01:34:18,159
people. So um that is you know

2447
01:34:18,159 --> 01:34:19,360
potentially something to come under

2448
01:34:19,360 --> 01:34:21,520
theou could be potentially carved out

2449
01:34:21,520 --> 01:34:25,120
separate but obviously once we involve

2450
01:34:25,120 --> 01:34:27,600
state bond money and an improvement is

2451
01:34:27,600 --> 01:34:29,840
made and where we put this we have to be

2452
01:34:29,840 --> 01:34:32,880
very mindful of where are we locating it

2453
01:34:32,880 --> 01:34:35,040
what are we improving then it needs to

2454
01:34:35,040 --> 01:34:37,679
you know stay in good condition

2455
01:34:37,679 --> 01:34:40,400
>> is uh going for another bond for

2456
01:34:40,400 --> 01:34:42,560
playground equipment going to hurt us if

2457
01:34:42,560 --> 01:34:43,520
we need to go back

2458
01:34:43,520 --> 01:34:46,159
>> as I understand it it would be MCPS that

2459
01:34:46,159 --> 01:34:48,800
potentially could go for the bond and we

2460
01:34:48,800 --> 01:34:52,639
would look at partnering with them. Um

2461
01:34:52,639 --> 01:34:54,239
but that is one of the questions that is

2462
01:34:54,239 --> 01:34:57,360
to be asked of our delegation is is it

2463
01:34:57,360 --> 01:34:59,280
the town it's called being the sponsor.

2464
01:34:59,280 --> 01:35:01,600
Is it the town that would be the sponsor

2465
01:35:01,600 --> 01:35:04,400
of it extend and these are typically

2466
01:35:04,400 --> 01:35:06,800
reimburseable. So are we spending the

2467
01:35:06,800 --> 01:35:08,560
funds and we are managing the

2468
01:35:08,560 --> 01:35:10,320
reimbursement process or would it be

2469
01:35:10,320 --> 01:35:12,639
MCPS? Yeah, I got the feeling it would

2470
01:35:12,639 --> 01:35:14,480
have be us because it would be too

2471
01:35:14,480 --> 01:35:16,239
difficult for them to be taking money

2472
01:35:16,239 --> 01:35:17,760
for the state for playground equipment

2473
01:35:17,760 --> 01:35:19,840
and it's going there has to go through

2474
01:35:19,840 --> 01:35:22,000
DGS.

2475
01:35:22,000 --> 01:35:25,120
>> So, um those are all things that you

2476
01:35:25,120 --> 01:35:26,560
know are

2477
01:35:26,560 --> 01:35:29,760
>> part of our consideration is

2478
01:35:29,760 --> 01:35:33,120
we've done some uh bonds recently that

2479
01:35:33,120 --> 01:35:35,440
we are just clearing out. Um you know

2480
01:35:35,440 --> 01:35:37,040
there may be future bonds, public works

2481
01:35:37,040 --> 01:35:38,639
and other things that we are potentially

2482
01:35:38,639 --> 01:35:42,080
thinking about. Um we've had a great

2483
01:35:42,080 --> 01:35:44,800
delegation who works hard on our behalf

2484
01:35:44,800 --> 01:35:49,199
but being cognizant that state's budget

2485
01:35:49,199 --> 01:35:51,520
right we are all aware the state is got

2486
01:35:51,520 --> 01:35:54,320
significant budget challenges ahead that

2487
01:35:54,320 --> 01:35:57,040
go to the county level as well so there

2488
01:35:57,040 --> 01:36:02,560
may be more pl more jurisdictions and sponsors looking for money in the

2489
01:36:02,560 --> 01:36:04,960
future bond cycles. Yeah, I'm wondering

2490
01:36:04,960 --> 01:36:06,880
if we can get Kensington Estate Civic

2491
01:36:06,880 --> 01:36:09,120
Association to I don't know if they

2492
01:36:09,120 --> 01:36:10,480
could be a partner in that.

2493
01:36:10,480 --> 01:36:12,159
>> I think they could. The question

2494
01:36:12,159 --> 01:36:13,760
ultimately is as these bonds are

2495
01:36:13,760 --> 01:36:15,840
typically

2496
01:36:15,840 --> 01:36:18,639
um released after as a reimburse you

2497
01:36:18,639 --> 01:36:20,000
>> saying we would have to be the general.

2498
01:36:20,000 --> 01:36:22,000
I'm just saying I think the civic

2499
01:36:22,000 --> 01:36:25,600
association though should be um ask them

2500
01:36:25,600 --> 01:36:26,639
to support it.

2501
01:36:26,639 --> 01:36:27,120
>> Yes.

2502
01:36:27,120 --> 01:36:30,000
>> Because it really is their park.

2503
01:36:30,000 --> 01:36:33,360
>> I agree. Um I you know I also just want

2504
01:36:33,360 --> 01:36:35,199
we have worked very hard you know

2505
01:36:35,199 --> 01:36:36,639
council member licter in many other

2506
01:36:36,639 --> 01:36:39,120
capacities has has worked on the you

2507
01:36:39,120 --> 01:36:41,360
know our building of bridges to our

2508
01:36:41,360 --> 01:36:43,760
neighboring communities

2509
01:36:43,760 --> 01:36:46,159
it Kensington estates from some of the

2510
01:36:46,159 --> 01:36:48,880
feedback we have received they didn't

2511
01:36:48,880 --> 01:36:51,600
get as much information about

2512
01:36:51,600 --> 01:36:54,719
>> MCPS they didn't get any giving it to

2513
01:36:54,719 --> 01:36:55,119
them

2514
01:36:55,119 --> 01:36:57,360
>> so we want to bring them to the table

2515
01:36:57,360 --> 01:36:58,880
>> and make sure that they are aware they

2516
01:36:58,880 --> 01:37:01,679
can ask questions Um, you know, we've

2517
01:37:01,679 --> 01:37:03,920
talked about with MCPS during this

2518
01:37:03,920 --> 01:37:06,239
meeting just how to facilitate that

2519
01:37:06,239 --> 01:37:09,360
exchange that is getting, you know,

2520
01:37:09,360 --> 01:37:11,920
facilitating actual uh community

2521
01:37:11,920 --> 01:37:14,000
engagement. But I I think their

2522
01:37:14,000 --> 01:37:15,520
partnership,

2523
01:37:15,520 --> 01:37:18,000
especially because it demonstrates this

2524
01:37:18,000 --> 01:37:21,199
is a a part of the county that has no

2525
01:37:21,199 --> 01:37:23,920
parks within their their association

2526
01:37:23,920 --> 01:37:27,520
area. They rely on this park. they rely

2527
01:37:27,520 --> 01:37:30,239
on it for their kids, you know, soccer

2528
01:37:30,239 --> 01:37:32,320
practices and games and as their

2529
01:37:32,320 --> 01:37:34,159
playground and whether they're using the

2530
01:37:34,159 --> 01:37:35,920
skatepark just, you know, sitting under

2531
01:37:35,920 --> 01:37:38,159
the tree. This is some of the only

2532
01:37:38,159 --> 01:37:41,840
nearby walkable um with to the emphasis

2533
01:37:41,840 --> 01:37:44,080
of that Hawk

2534
01:37:44,080 --> 01:37:47,360
um uh crosswalk was put in specifically

2535
01:37:47,360 --> 01:37:49,520
to make a safe connection point from

2536
01:37:49,520 --> 01:37:50,560
this park, right,

2537
01:37:50,560 --> 01:37:52,320
>> to their community.

2538
01:37:52,320 --> 01:37:52,719
>> So,

2539
01:37:52,719 --> 01:37:54,480
>> well, it's funny. the skate park is now

2540
01:37:54,480 --> 01:37:56,960
being used more by smaller children. I

2541
01:37:56,960 --> 01:37:58,719
don't know if you've noticed that that,

2542
01:37:58,719 --> 01:37:59,760
you know, they bring their little

2543
01:37:59,760 --> 01:38:02,080
scooters or their bikes and they they're

2544
01:38:02,080 --> 01:38:04,719
playing on that, you know, uh I think

2545
01:38:04,719 --> 01:38:06,560
maybe skateboarders are doing the ebike

2546
01:38:06,560 --> 01:38:08,480
thing now more than they are, you know,

2547
01:38:08,480 --> 01:38:09,280
>> still a fair amount of

2548
01:38:09,280 --> 01:38:10,639
>> Oh, yeah. No, they're still there. But

2549
01:38:10,639 --> 01:38:12,719
it is it's just funny to see younger

2550
01:38:12,719 --> 01:38:12,960
kids.

2551
01:38:12,960 --> 01:38:13,600
>> It's evolved.

2552
01:38:13,600 --> 01:38:15,760
>> Yeah. Yeah. That are enjoying it. And

2553
01:38:15,760 --> 01:38:17,280
those, you know, some of our concerns

2554
01:38:17,280 --> 01:38:20,239
back to them were if we don't own it, we

2555
01:38:20,239 --> 01:38:22,639
don't control it,

2556
01:38:22,639 --> 01:38:24,800
do we want to take liability, right?

2557
01:38:24,800 --> 01:38:27,280
down to legit and ensuring and how

2558
01:38:27,280 --> 01:38:29,440
when things may happen on this site. um

2559
01:38:29,440 --> 01:38:30,639
that's something to be discussed in the

2560
01:38:30,639 --> 01:38:32,320
short-term

2561
01:38:32,320 --> 01:38:34,639
but also the the bigger discussion that

2562
01:38:34,639 --> 01:38:38,239
we wanted to have with them is you know

2563
01:38:38,239 --> 01:38:41,280
us being able to control that property

2564
01:38:41,280 --> 01:38:43,280
as a park and work with them as a

2565
01:38:43,280 --> 01:38:44,480
partner which I think we have a

2566
01:38:44,480 --> 01:38:46,159
demonstrated

2567
01:38:46,159 --> 01:38:48,239
um track record of with the schools that

2568
01:38:48,239 --> 01:38:50,800
are within our jurisdiction using our

2569
01:38:50,800 --> 01:38:54,880
parks that uh you know that may be the

2570
01:38:54,880 --> 01:38:56,400
pentimate

2571
01:38:56,400 --> 01:38:59,760
uh option that needs to be discussed.

2572
01:38:59,760 --> 01:39:03,920
>> So, Sue Ellen, is it possible to do anou

2573
01:39:03,920 --> 01:39:07,520
maybe 9 months to that so we can have

2574
01:39:07,520 --> 01:39:10,000
insurance on that property or when if

2575
01:39:10,000 --> 01:39:12,960
we're doing the uh landscaping just for

2576
01:39:12,960 --> 01:39:17,430
the back? How would that work?

2577
01:39:17,440 --> 01:39:19,840
» What you would be insuring is property

2578
01:39:19,840 --> 01:39:21,679
that you own and activity by your

2579
01:39:21,679 --> 01:39:22,800
employees,

2580
01:39:22,800 --> 01:39:24,560
>> but it's not property property we don't

2581
01:39:24,560 --> 01:39:26,400
own

2582
01:39:26,400 --> 01:39:27,280
>> that we lease.

2583
01:39:27,280 --> 01:39:27,600
>> Yeah.

2584
01:39:27,600 --> 01:39:29,840
>> Right. that you lease. That's a property

2585
01:39:29,840 --> 01:39:30,320
interest.

2586
01:39:30,320 --> 01:39:30,960
>> Okay. Yeah.

2587
01:39:30,960 --> 01:39:33,199
>> Uh or you have some kind of ownership.

2588
01:39:33,199 --> 01:39:36,880
So, um you can ensure the activities of

2589
01:39:36,880 --> 01:39:40,159
your employees and your contractors.

2590
01:39:40,159 --> 01:39:40,719
>> Okay.

2591
01:39:40,719 --> 01:39:44,880
>> So, uh an MOU is always a good idea. So,

2592
01:39:44,880 --> 01:39:46,400
you lay out all the rights and

2593
01:39:46,400 --> 01:39:47,920
obligations and who has to carry what

2594
01:39:47,920 --> 01:39:50,159
insurance and who's doing what. It's

2595
01:39:50,159 --> 01:39:52,080
much better to do that way.

2596
01:39:52,080 --> 01:39:52,880
>> Okay.

2597
01:39:52,880 --> 01:39:54,639
>> And in fact, I would imagine that would

2598
01:39:54,639 --> 01:39:56,560
be required

2599
01:39:56,560 --> 01:40:00,719
in some way. You know, in the event of a child falls off the playground or a

2600
01:40:00,719 --> 01:40:02,480
child's using the skatepark and they get

2601
01:40:02,480 --> 01:40:04,560
injured and they are looking for an

2602
01:40:04,560 --> 01:40:10,560
outlet, is it and we have a lease on it, would be our liability, our coverage

2603
01:40:10,560 --> 01:40:12,880
or MCPS DGS,

2604
01:40:12,880 --> 01:40:15,199
>> they would want if they they still own

2605
01:40:15,199 --> 01:40:17,600
it, they would want you to identify

2606
01:40:17,600 --> 01:40:18,719
them.

2607
01:40:18,719 --> 01:40:20,080
>> That's what would happen. And so that's

2608
01:40:20,080 --> 01:40:21,600
what and they would look to you for

2609
01:40:21,600 --> 01:40:21,920
that.

2610
01:40:21,920 --> 01:40:25,040
>> Y okay. I mean, if I were representing

2611
01:40:25,040 --> 01:40:27,679
them, that's what I want you to do

2612
01:40:27,679 --> 01:40:30,719
because whoever has control of the

2613
01:40:30,719 --> 01:40:32,080
property should be the one that's

2614
01:40:32,080 --> 01:40:34,480
insuring it.

2615
01:40:34,480 --> 01:40:36,960
They don't have control once you you're

2616
01:40:36,960 --> 01:40:39,199
taking over maintenance or and or

2617
01:40:39,199 --> 01:40:40,480
operation.

2618
01:40:40,480 --> 01:40:43,199
>> Well, that was this is the question I

2619
01:40:43,199 --> 01:40:44,880
wanted to ask. And so I think

2620
01:40:44,880 --> 01:40:45,679
>> we're here

2621
01:40:45,679 --> 01:40:48,880
>> would be good to know like how expensive

2622
01:40:48,880 --> 01:40:51,040
is that to ensure for skate park

2623
01:40:51,040 --> 01:40:53,600
liability versus other types of

2624
01:40:53,600 --> 01:40:55,119
playground equipment. I don't think we

2625
01:40:55,119 --> 01:40:56,560
know that yet, right?

2626
01:40:56,560 --> 01:40:59,360
>> No, but this was very recent and these

2627
01:40:59,360 --> 01:41:01,679
are kind of data points questions we

2628
01:41:01,679 --> 01:41:03,360
want to go back and get. So then and

2629
01:41:03,360 --> 01:41:05,840
then also whether you all in your

2630
01:41:05,840 --> 01:41:07,760
conversation

2631
01:41:07,760 --> 01:41:09,679
um

2632
01:41:09,679 --> 01:41:12,000
identified which would be the likely

2633
01:41:12,000 --> 01:41:14,239
tasks that we would take on versus them.

2634
01:41:14,239 --> 01:41:16,320
You mentioned mowing

2635
01:41:16,320 --> 01:41:18,960
>> most likely they mow about every two

2636
01:41:18,960 --> 01:41:20,639
weeks

2637
01:41:20,639 --> 01:41:20,880
>> like

2638
01:41:20,880 --> 01:41:23,840
>> give or take and then it's

2639
01:41:23,840 --> 01:41:26,639
been cancelled because

2640
01:41:26,639 --> 01:41:29,040
>> what is it that they're

2641
01:41:29,040 --> 01:41:30,639
>> taking on? But I gathered from the end

2642
01:41:30,639 --> 01:41:34,239
of that conversation to be um maybe it's

2643
01:41:34,239 --> 01:41:36,080
not consistent with how we interpreted

2644
01:41:36,080 --> 01:41:37,440
it, but I thought they said they would

2645
01:41:37,440 --> 01:41:38,960
continue to mow and they'd be okay with

2646
01:41:38,960 --> 01:41:41,199
it and we whacking and they wanted us to

2647
01:41:41,199 --> 01:41:42,880
help with the playground most

2648
01:41:42,880 --> 01:41:44,560
>> playground and they would do it sounds

2649
01:41:44,560 --> 01:41:46,239
like trash. I think part of the question

2650
01:41:46,239 --> 01:41:50,400
if I'm interpreting it correctly is is

2651
01:41:50,400 --> 01:41:52,000
the standard by which they're going to

2652
01:41:52,000 --> 01:41:53,920
do it and the standard by which we

2653
01:41:53,920 --> 01:41:55,920
typically do it

2654
01:41:55,920 --> 01:41:59,520
>> if we're which do we prefer? if they are

2655
01:41:59,520 --> 01:42:02,719
if their mowing schedule is such that

2656
01:42:02,719 --> 01:42:05,119
they're doing it every twoish weeks and

2657
01:42:05,119 --> 01:42:07,040
heavy and then the park isn't usable

2658
01:42:07,040 --> 01:42:09,840
because it grass is too long.

2659
01:42:09,840 --> 01:42:12,480
Who's benefiting from that? Um and so

2660
01:42:12,480 --> 01:42:14,719
ultimately I think these are the points

2661
01:42:14,719 --> 01:42:17,280
of hey

2662
01:42:17,280 --> 01:42:19,360
do you just want us to take it and kind

2663
01:42:19,360 --> 01:42:20,560
of run it for 9 months

2664
01:42:20,560 --> 01:42:22,000
>> and see what it would take for us and

2665
01:42:22,000 --> 01:42:24,800
collect thinking like what are all the

2666
01:42:24,800 --> 01:42:27,520
tasks that need to be specified in anou

2667
01:42:27,520 --> 01:42:30,000
in terms of responsibility. I think

2668
01:42:30,000 --> 01:42:33,119
that's what the the mayor is, you know,

2669
01:42:33,119 --> 01:42:34,560
what are all those points that we want

2670
01:42:34,560 --> 01:42:37,840
to get clarified and is MCPS. Yep. You

2671
01:42:37,840 --> 01:42:40,400
guys can do this that we'll take trash.

2672
01:42:40,400 --> 01:42:42,320
We understand their standard for how

2673
01:42:42,320 --> 01:42:44,639
often will that occur? What happens? You

2674
01:42:44,639 --> 01:42:47,119
know, their trash is overflowing right

2675
01:42:47,119 --> 01:42:48,800
now. And so

2676
01:42:48,800 --> 01:42:52,159
>> they have one daytime custodian that's

2677
01:42:52,159 --> 01:42:53,520
in the building.

2678
01:42:53,520 --> 01:42:55,840
>> So he's the one that goes out and does,

2679
01:42:55,840 --> 01:42:57,920
you know, the lawn cutting now.

2680
01:42:57,920 --> 01:43:01,119
>> Mhm. So, I don't know. I saw him today.

2681
01:43:01,119 --> 01:43:02,880
I don't know if he was doing the back,

2682
01:43:02,880 --> 01:43:04,639
but he was doing the front. It's a

2683
01:43:04,639 --> 01:43:06,080
different guy that had been there

2684
01:43:06,080 --> 01:43:07,679
previously.

2685
01:43:07,679 --> 01:43:12,719
Um, so, um, you know, do we want people

2686
01:43:12,719 --> 01:43:14,719
to be able to use the field knowing that

2687
01:43:14,719 --> 01:43:17,440
we cut it every week, but if it can't be

2688
01:43:17,440 --> 01:43:20,320
used because the grass is too high, you

2689
01:43:20,320 --> 01:43:23,040
know, I don't um, or they take away the

2690
01:43:23,040 --> 01:43:24,480
skate park or they take away the

2691
01:43:24,480 --> 01:43:26,080
playground equipment because it's not up

2692
01:43:26,080 --> 01:43:28,400
to their standards, you know, so they

2693
01:43:28,400 --> 01:43:30,080
don't want the liability.

2694
01:43:30,080 --> 01:43:32,000
>> So, I think we just have to decide, do

2695
01:43:32,000 --> 01:43:33,440
we want to have a park on the west side

2696
01:43:33,440 --> 01:43:36,000
or not? I mean also just tell you just

2697
01:43:36,000 --> 01:43:37,520
to keep the conversation moving where I

2698
01:43:37,520 --> 01:43:40,239
am like I fully support exploring

2699
01:43:40,239 --> 01:43:42,800
entering into anou so that we can try to

2700
01:43:42,800 --> 01:43:44,000
have this

2701
01:43:44,000 --> 01:43:45,760
>> park and green space maintained on the

2702
01:43:45,760 --> 01:43:48,320
west side. So if you want to proceed

2703
01:43:48,320 --> 01:43:49,760
with conversations with them to figure

2704
01:43:49,760 --> 01:43:51,040
out some of these details and then come

2705
01:43:51,040 --> 01:43:53,119
back with a recommendation after you

2706
01:43:53,119 --> 01:43:54,800
look at the staffing impacts and the

2707
01:43:54,800 --> 01:43:57,440
cost impacts on what you think we should

2708
01:43:57,440 --> 01:43:59,040
be willing to take on for a 9-month

2709
01:43:59,040 --> 01:44:00,400
period.

2710
01:44:00,400 --> 01:44:01,360
>> Yeah. Yeah. And I think part of that,

2711
01:44:01,360 --> 01:44:03,520
Alice, you know, to the mayor is talking

2712
01:44:03,520 --> 01:44:06,080
to our town crew of

2713
01:44:06,080 --> 01:44:07,199
>> how much time would it take?

2714
01:44:07,199 --> 01:44:08,800
>> Yeah. What are we adding here? And is

2715
01:44:08,800 --> 01:44:11,040
it, you know, when we get into leafing

2716
01:44:11,040 --> 01:44:12,880
season, are we leafing them? You know,

2717
01:44:12,880 --> 01:44:14,800
and getting their perspective on it.

2718
01:44:14,800 --> 01:44:16,639
>> So,

2719
01:44:16,639 --> 01:44:18,880
>> okay. So, you want us to just come back

2720
01:44:18,880 --> 01:44:20,800
in October and hopefully have more

2721
01:44:20,800 --> 01:44:22,480
information on what the cost would be,

2722
01:44:22,480 --> 01:44:24,400
>> what the impacts would be, and what

2723
01:44:24,400 --> 01:44:26,400
>> when we would take on versus them,

2724
01:44:26,400 --> 01:44:28,239
>> right? I mean, at this point, grass

2725
01:44:28,239 --> 01:44:30,239
season's almost over anyway, so you're

2726
01:44:30,239 --> 01:44:32,320
really talking about season.

2727
01:44:32,320 --> 01:44:33,920
>> No, I know. I know.

2728
01:44:33,920 --> 01:44:35,040
>> But, uh,

2729
01:44:35,040 --> 01:44:35,600
>> Yep.

2730
01:44:35,600 --> 01:44:37,760
>> Yeah. Okay. All right. We will do that.

2731
01:44:37,760 --> 01:44:39,920
And maybe on the next call, do you want

2732
01:44:39,920 --> 01:44:42,880
to include uh Kensington Estates?

2733
01:44:42,880 --> 01:44:43,360
>> Yeah.

2734
01:44:43,360 --> 01:44:45,119
I'd be happy to reach out. I'm on

2735
01:44:45,119 --> 01:44:47,440
an exchange with them from the county

2736
01:44:47,440 --> 01:44:47,920
development.

2737
01:44:47,920 --> 01:44:49,840
>> I think it's Leslie Freed, I think.

2738
01:44:49,840 --> 01:44:52,960
Correct. Yeah. Okay. Good. All right.

2739
01:44:52,960 --> 01:44:54,480
Sounds good. All right. Thank you. Does

2740
01:44:54,480 --> 01:44:58,239
anybody have any questions? Sorry. Ow.

2741
01:44:58,239 --> 01:45:00,000
>> Um, hey, good evening everybody. Can you

2742
01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:00,639
hear me?

2743
01:45:00,639 --> 01:45:02,080
>> Yes.

2744
01:45:02,080 --> 01:45:04,400
>> Um,

2745
01:45:04,400 --> 01:45:07,360
so, um, this property, it's owned by the

2746
01:45:07,360 --> 01:45:12,560
county and, uh, MCPS is the tenant. So,

2747
01:45:12,560 --> 01:45:14,400
uh, I guess my first question is, is

2748
01:45:14,400 --> 01:45:17,360
there a lease orou

2749
01:45:17,360 --> 01:45:22,000
or agreement that defines the MCPS's use

2750
01:45:22,000 --> 01:45:23,679
of this property that they don't own

2751
01:45:23,679 --> 01:45:27,360
that is owned by the county?

2752
01:45:27,360 --> 01:45:31,119
Um cuz I remember in uh when HOC

2753
01:45:31,119 --> 01:45:34,400
occupied the property there that was

2754
01:45:34,400 --> 01:45:38,320
governed by a a lease and lease was very

2755
01:45:38,320 --> 01:45:41,679
specific that they had to um you know

2756
01:45:41,679 --> 01:45:43,520
keep the grounds in a good state of

2757
01:45:43,520 --> 01:45:44,880
repair and make sure they were available

2758
01:45:44,880 --> 01:45:47,760
to the public. Um and they had to make

2759
01:45:47,760 --> 01:45:50,239
the gym available which you know at for

2760
01:45:50,239 --> 01:45:55,199
a while they weren't doing but um then they were after some some public

2761
01:45:55,199 --> 01:45:58,239
pressure. So, um, that's a key question

2762
01:45:58,239 --> 01:45:59,920
for me is, you know, what does the lease

2763
01:45:59,920 --> 01:46:04,320
say between the county and MCPS? If the

2764
01:46:04,320 --> 01:46:06,080
lease says that, you know, they have to

2765
01:46:06,080 --> 01:46:09,119
do these things, then, um, you know,

2766
01:46:09,119 --> 01:46:12,080
maybe there's some other avenues. Um,

2767
01:46:12,080 --> 01:46:14,560
you know, it would be a shame if MCPS is

2768
01:46:14,560 --> 01:46:17,760
sort of eyeing up the town as, you know,

2769
01:46:17,760 --> 01:46:20,320
deep pockets. Let's dump some

2770
01:46:20,320 --> 01:46:24,480
responsibility on on someone else. Uh,

2771
01:46:24,480 --> 01:46:28,880
and I know that some of the

2772
01:46:28,880 --> 01:46:31,760
functions that are currently at this

2773
01:46:31,760 --> 01:46:34,480
property were formerly at the the

2774
01:46:34,480 --> 01:46:38,239
Lindbrook property in East Bethesda. Uh,

2775
01:46:38,239 --> 01:46:40,960
Lindbrook. Um, that's a little different

2776
01:46:40,960 --> 01:46:42,480
because Lindbrook is actually owned by

2777
01:46:42,480 --> 01:46:47,920
MCPS, not by um the county. But, uh,

2778
01:46:47,920 --> 01:46:50,719
Lindbrook has has a playground. It's

2779
01:46:50,719 --> 01:46:54,239
wellmaintained. So, um, been that way

2780
01:46:54,239 --> 01:46:58,400
for many years. Um, so I don't know

2781
01:46:58,400 --> 01:47:00,800
about this claim that, um, you know,

2782
01:47:00,800 --> 01:47:02,880
nice playground you got there. Be a

2783
01:47:02,880 --> 01:47:05,600
shame if something happened to it. Uh,

2784
01:47:05,600 --> 01:47:08,400
when they're managing to maintain, um,

2785
01:47:08,400 --> 01:47:10,080
playgrounds and other similar properties

2786
01:47:10,080 --> 01:47:11,760
just fine.

2787
01:47:11,760 --> 01:47:16,400
>> Um, so, couple of comments. Um, I think

2788
01:47:16,400 --> 01:47:19,440
the bond bill is a smart approach. Um,

2789
01:47:19,440 --> 01:47:23,199
there was actually a bond bill that was

2790
01:47:23,199 --> 01:47:26,560
specifically designated for a skate park

2791
01:47:26,560 --> 01:47:28,719
in Kensington that arose out of a

2792
01:47:28,719 --> 01:47:32,159
conversation with Gabe Albernos about

2793
01:47:32,159 --> 01:47:35,679
uh this property. And what happened was

2794
01:47:35,679 --> 01:47:37,520
uh parks

2795
01:47:37,520 --> 01:47:40,880
said um sure we'll we'll take the money,

2796
01:47:40,880 --> 01:47:43,040
we'll take a bond bill, but we want to

2797
01:47:43,040 --> 01:47:46,000
put a uh skate park over at Newport Mill

2798
01:47:46,000 --> 01:47:50,000
Park. Um and then uh recently they re

2799
01:47:50,000 --> 01:47:51,679
relocated that to a whole different

2800
01:47:51,679 --> 01:47:54,239
park, but um that's a bond bill that's

2801
01:47:54,239 --> 01:47:56,560
been sitting around for

2802
01:47:56,560 --> 01:47:58,880
uh a number of years uh back from from

2803
01:47:58,880 --> 01:48:01,679
my tenure that if if Parks is not using

2804
01:48:01,679 --> 01:48:03,840
it could potentially be repurposed to

2805
01:48:03,840 --> 01:48:08,239
for uh purposes in Kensington.

2806
01:48:08,239 --> 01:48:08,480
I

2807
01:48:08,480 --> 01:48:10,400
>> think the problem for this particular

2808
01:48:10,400 --> 01:48:13,360
skate park is it doesn't fit quite what

2809
01:48:13,360 --> 01:48:16,639
even the county likes to use. They

2810
01:48:16,639 --> 01:48:17,679
didn't construct it,

2811
01:48:17,679 --> 01:48:20,560
>> right? It was

2812
01:48:20,560 --> 01:48:22,560
>> self constructed. And I think

2813
01:48:22,560 --> 01:48:26,159
>> there's no oversight of the skate park

2814
01:48:26,159 --> 01:48:33,600
by the county. Never has been. So, it's kind of a oddity for um for the

2815
01:48:33,600 --> 01:48:36,159
county and not quite sure what to do

2816
01:48:36,159 --> 01:48:40,800
with it because HOC basically promised

2817
01:48:40,800 --> 01:48:44,080
that they would keep it tidy and oversee

2818
01:48:44,080 --> 01:48:47,119
it. So, you know, it was up to them.

2819
01:48:47,119 --> 01:48:49,440
>> I am a little confused though that

2820
01:48:49,440 --> 01:48:52,639
you're say is this uh

2821
01:48:52,639 --> 01:48:55,280
>> it's always been it was Greg Osat from

2822
01:48:55,280 --> 01:48:58,320
the Department of Government Services

2823
01:48:58,320 --> 01:49:02,080
>> when HOC left the building and land went

2824
01:49:02,080 --> 01:49:04,159
back to MCPS

2825
01:49:04,159 --> 01:49:06,960
because it's really was theirs. Are you

2826
01:49:06,960 --> 01:49:07,600
saying that?

2827
01:49:07,600 --> 01:49:09,520
>> Well, the the county is the owner. The

2828
01:49:09,520 --> 01:49:11,040
county has been the owner of that

2829
01:49:11,040 --> 01:49:13,360
property for many many years. is still

2830
01:49:13,360 --> 01:49:14,320
the owner

2831
01:49:14,320 --> 01:49:16,560
>> and MCPS is the tenant.

2832
01:49:16,560 --> 01:49:19,600
>> So MCPS does not own the property, but

2833
01:49:19,600 --> 01:49:21,679
they are

2834
01:49:21,679 --> 01:49:23,600
um using the property. I don't I don't

2835
01:49:23,600 --> 01:49:24,960
know exactly how that works.

2836
01:49:24,960 --> 01:49:26,239
>> Well, they had the right of first

2837
01:49:26,239 --> 01:49:28,159
refusal. So I guess

2838
01:49:28,159 --> 01:49:29,440
>> I mean I imagine there's some sort of

2839
01:49:29,440 --> 01:49:32,880
agreement that spells out exactly what

2840
01:49:32,880 --> 01:49:35,280
>> uh MCPS is responsible for, what the

2841
01:49:35,280 --> 01:49:37,760
county is responsible for since it is

2842
01:49:37,760 --> 01:49:39,520
not MCPS's property.

2843
01:49:39,520 --> 01:49:41,280
>> Right. We will look into it. I and I

2844
01:49:41,280 --> 01:49:44,560
only say that um I think we will

2845
01:49:44,560 --> 01:49:46,000
investigate the leasing. I think

2846
01:49:46,000 --> 01:49:49,040
obviously that's very sound.

2847
01:49:49,040 --> 01:49:52,560
Uh county's website MC Atlas lists the

2848
01:49:52,560 --> 01:49:55,440
board of education as the owner which is

2849
01:49:55,440 --> 01:49:56,880
commiserate with how I just looked up

2850
01:49:56,880 --> 01:49:58,480
Kensington Parkwood Elementary School

2851
01:49:58,480 --> 01:50:00,719
and a couple of others whereas other

2852
01:50:00,719 --> 01:50:02,639
county facilities which I looked up

2853
01:50:02,639 --> 01:50:05,360
indicate Montgomery County as the owner.

2854
01:50:05,360 --> 01:50:09,920
So takeaway is let's uh just finish that

2855
01:50:09,920 --> 01:50:12,880
investigation. Determine what other

2856
01:50:12,880 --> 01:50:15,199
encumbrances are on it, what otherus are

2857
01:50:15,199 --> 01:50:16,800
on it, what other leases and terms,

2858
01:50:16,800 --> 01:50:22,159
right? Like what are the things that that are

2859
01:50:22,159 --> 01:50:25,360
driving why the county feels they cannot

2860
01:50:25,360 --> 01:50:28,560
maintain the green space, the skate park

2861
01:50:28,560 --> 01:50:33,440
or the playground that leaves them to

2862
01:50:33,440 --> 01:50:36,320
believe that their only option is to

2863
01:50:36,320 --> 01:50:38,800
potentially shut those facilities down,

2864
01:50:38,800 --> 01:50:40,080
which is what I think we're trying to

2865
01:50:40,080 --> 01:50:42,320
avoid, regardless of who may be the

2866
01:50:42,320 --> 01:50:43,840
owner of it.

2867
01:50:43,840 --> 01:50:45,600
>> Well, I I stand corrected. I just looked

2868
01:50:45,600 --> 01:50:49,199
up on the EST state land records and it

2869
01:50:49,199 --> 01:50:50,800
did change hands

2870
01:50:50,800 --> 01:50:53,520
>> from the county. So it is owned by MCPS

2871
01:50:53,520 --> 01:50:57,199
as of May 21st.

2872
01:50:57,199 --> 01:50:59,199
>> Yeah, that that was my understanding.

2873
01:50:59,199 --> 01:51:00,159
So, um,

2874
01:51:00,159 --> 01:51:01,520
>> just to just to add to your point,

2875
01:51:01,520 --> 01:51:03,040
Conor, when they

2876
01:51:03,040 --> 01:51:04,719
>> what they reflected in the meeting, uh,

2877
01:51:04,719 --> 01:51:08,560
was that they were, um, they were short

2878
01:51:08,560 --> 01:51:11,840
resourced, um, and that they would not

2879
01:51:11,840 --> 01:51:15,040
be able to likely get more resources to

2880
01:51:15,040 --> 01:51:18,400
keep a park and a playground that wasn't

2881
01:51:18,400 --> 01:51:20,080
actively serving the population that's

2882
01:51:20,080 --> 01:51:21,920
housed in the building that they're

2883
01:51:21,920 --> 01:51:24,400
using it for for that use. other active

2884
01:51:24,400 --> 01:51:26,639
schools would get priority in the and

2885
01:51:26,639 --> 01:51:28,239
given the current budget situation

2886
01:51:28,239 --> 01:51:30,719
>> because the kids that they are having at

2887
01:51:30,719 --> 01:51:33,840
that school are older and would not be a

2888
01:51:33,840 --> 01:51:34,320
playground.

2889
01:51:34,320 --> 01:51:35,440
>> Yeah. Yeah. They're not

2890
01:51:35,440 --> 01:51:38,400
>> Yeah. Secondarily to Nate's point is

2891
01:51:38,400 --> 01:51:42,320
>> they've got a backlog of playground CIP

2892
01:51:42,320 --> 01:51:45,679
either upgrades replacement um and they

2893
01:51:45,679 --> 01:51:47,760
it exceeds the budget and they just

2894
01:51:47,760 --> 01:51:48,480
they're being realistic

2895
01:51:48,480 --> 01:51:49,920
>> and they even said that they have work

2896
01:51:49,920 --> 01:51:51,119
orders in. And I don't know, Al, if

2897
01:51:51,119 --> 01:51:52,480
you've been over there recently to see

2898
01:51:52,480 --> 01:51:55,760
the swings and the holes in the in the

2899
01:51:55,760 --> 01:51:56,639
>> in the rubber

2900
01:51:56,639 --> 01:51:57,520
>> rubber,

2901
01:51:57,520 --> 01:51:59,520
>> but they have a work order in for a

2902
01:51:59,520 --> 01:52:01,679
while now to fix some of the stuff, but

2903
01:52:01,679 --> 01:52:03,760
it's just the backlog is

2904
01:52:03,760 --> 01:52:05,599
>> and it's going to be lower priority

2905
01:52:05,599 --> 01:52:07,119
active than an active school.

2906
01:52:07,119 --> 01:52:08,960
>> So, we don't want to see it really go

2907
01:52:08,960 --> 01:52:10,400
totally downhill.

2908
01:52:10,400 --> 01:52:12,480
>> Yeah. I mean, our goal is to keep the

2909
01:52:12,480 --> 01:52:14,960
open space and to keep it in good

2910
01:52:14,960 --> 01:52:16,800
repair. That's our goal. That's our

2911
01:52:16,800 --> 01:52:17,199
want.

2912
01:52:17,199 --> 01:52:18,320
>> Safe and accessible.

2913
01:52:18,320 --> 01:52:19,040
>> Yeah.

2914
01:52:19,040 --> 01:52:23,280
Another question is um

2915
01:52:23,280 --> 01:52:26,960
>> is the gym currently available for

2916
01:52:26,960 --> 01:52:27,360
public?

2917
01:52:27,360 --> 01:52:29,280
>> They said that it should be back on

2918
01:52:29,280 --> 01:52:31,679
track now that they've moved in now that

2919
01:52:31,679 --> 01:52:36,000
they have a custodian for the night uh

2920
01:52:36,000 --> 01:52:37,760
lined up the evening

2921
01:52:37,760 --> 01:52:39,440
>> because I just went online tonight. I

2922
01:52:39,440 --> 01:52:41,520
wasn't able to do it. This might be my

2923
01:52:41,520 --> 01:52:44,480
own inability to navigate active

2924
01:52:44,480 --> 01:52:45,520
Montgomery.

2925
01:52:45,520 --> 01:52:46,000
>> Yeah.

2926
01:52:46,000 --> 01:52:49,199
>> But I wasn't able to make it work. Um,

2927
01:52:49,199 --> 01:52:51,360
so that's that's another question is is

2928
01:52:51,360 --> 01:52:54,320
have they come through on that promise

2929
01:52:54,320 --> 01:52:55,599
that they would make

2930
01:52:55,599 --> 01:52:57,920
>> on our call which was what two weeks ago

2931
01:52:57,920 --> 01:53:01,440
and they plan to have it up and up. She

2932
01:53:01,440 --> 01:53:02,560
didn't give me an exact

2933
01:53:02,560 --> 01:53:05,679
>> because it's it's been you know stay

2934
01:53:05,679 --> 01:53:07,280
tuned it's coming for

2935
01:53:07,280 --> 01:53:09,199
>> well they did not want to open it when

2936
01:53:09,199 --> 01:53:11,840
they did not have the people in the

2937
01:53:11,840 --> 01:53:14,719
building. uh those people are now the

2938
01:53:14,719 --> 01:53:16,480
workers are in the building and now they

2939
01:53:16,480 --> 01:53:18,480
have do have the custodian like today

2940
01:53:18,480 --> 01:53:21,199
was the first time I've seen him and he

2941
01:53:21,199 --> 01:53:24,880
was mowing the front lawn

2942
01:53:24,880 --> 01:53:27,599
so they uh they were pretty clear about

2943
01:53:27,599 --> 01:53:31,679
the the hires are now in place.

2944
01:53:31,679 --> 01:53:33,760
>> Got it.

2945
01:53:33,760 --> 01:53:40,390
>> But she did not give me an exact date.

2946
01:53:40,400 --> 01:53:43,440
Well, once we have that info and once we

2947
01:53:43,440 --> 01:53:45,360
assuming all proceeds and we get to a

2948
01:53:45,360 --> 01:53:46,960
point with anou, I think it would be

2949
01:53:46,960 --> 01:53:50,400
good to update the community, not just

2950
01:53:50,400 --> 01:53:52,239
town of Kensington, but as you said,

2951
01:53:52,239 --> 01:53:53,520
>> yeah, I think Kensington estates

2952
01:53:53,520 --> 01:53:55,440
particularly need to

2953
01:53:55,440 --> 01:54:01,910
>> Yeah. Okay. Any other questions?

2954
01:54:01,920 --> 01:54:03,599
» Okay.

2955
01:54:03,599 --> 01:54:04,960
All right. Thank you very much.

2956
01:54:04,960 --> 01:54:11,030
>> Thank you.

2957
01:54:11,040 --> 01:54:12,880
Uh, Connor, do you want me to meet uh I

2958
01:54:12,880 --> 01:54:14,400
can reach out to Peggy and tell her

2959
01:54:14,400 --> 01:54:15,840
we're Yeah. ready for another meeting,

2960
01:54:15,840 --> 01:54:20,310
>> please. What you mean? Okay.

2961
01:54:20,320 --> 01:54:21,440
» And I'll um

2962
01:54:21,440 --> 01:54:22,480
>> work with Kensington State.

2963
01:54:22,480 --> 01:54:23,280
>> Do you want to reach out to

2964
01:54:23,280 --> 01:54:25,360
>> I will because I've got that for Kika.

2965
01:54:25,360 --> 01:54:27,840
Uh once we have a

2966
01:54:27,840 --> 01:54:30,880
>> is it Leslie? I have the president of

2967
01:54:30,880 --> 01:54:31,679
>> Joan.

2968
01:54:31,679 --> 01:54:32,719
Yeah.

2969
01:54:32,719 --> 01:54:34,639
>> We also have someone from Emily Shetty's

2970
01:54:34,639 --> 01:54:35,280
office.

2971
01:54:35,280 --> 01:54:35,520
>> Yeah.

2972
01:54:35,520 --> 01:54:37,440
We had hoped to have her on there

2973
01:54:37,440 --> 01:54:38,960
and she Yeah, she didn't come.

2974
01:54:38,960 --> 01:54:40,239
>> Maybe join.

2975
01:54:40,239 --> 01:54:40,960
>> Yeah.

2976
01:54:40,960 --> 01:54:42,639
So, we'll keep them in the loop as

2977
01:54:42,639 --> 01:54:45,360
well. Okay. Thank you. All right. Uh

2978
01:54:45,360 --> 01:54:48,159
let's see. We doorways. Um let's go be I

2979
01:54:48,159 --> 01:54:49,679
know the resolutions are quick, but

2980
01:54:49,679 --> 01:54:52,480
let's do public appearances. Um this is

2981
01:54:52,480 --> 01:54:53,920
the opportunity to bring anything up

2982
01:54:53,920 --> 01:54:56,880
that's not already on the agenda. So, if

2983
01:54:56,880 --> 01:54:59,360
you're online or here in person and want

2984
01:54:59,360 --> 01:55:00,880
to bring something up that's not on the

2985
01:55:00,880 --> 01:55:05,830
agenda, this is your opportunity.

2986
01:55:05,840 --> 01:55:08,080
Uh Joe.

2987
01:55:08,080 --> 01:55:11,440
>> Yeah. Thank you, Mayor. Um I I recommend

2988
01:55:11,440 --> 01:55:13,119
or suggest in a spirit of transparency

2989
01:55:13,119 --> 01:55:15,840
that excerpts from the uh Open Meetings

2990
01:55:15,840 --> 01:55:17,679
Act compliance board findings be

2991
01:55:17,679 --> 01:55:19,360
published in an upcoming edition of the

2992
01:55:19,360 --> 01:55:21,840
Roundtown Journal, the official town

2993
01:55:21,840 --> 01:55:24,639
record for for Kensington.

2994
01:55:24,639 --> 01:55:27,119
And uh allow me to say I was just more

2995
01:55:27,119 --> 01:55:28,719
than a little disappointed not to get a

2996
01:55:28,719 --> 01:55:30,320
straight answer, a clear-cut answer to

2997
01:55:30,320 --> 01:55:32,880
my straightforward questions about with

2998
01:55:32,880 --> 01:55:35,280
whom specifically responsibility resides

2999
01:55:35,280 --> 01:55:37,280
for these violations.

3000
01:55:37,280 --> 01:55:39,440
I I don't think we are all ex

3001
01:55:39,440 --> 01:55:43,199
responsible is is a sufficient or um

3002
01:55:43,199 --> 01:55:46,239
very telling response.

3003
01:55:46,239 --> 01:55:47,599
>> Okay. Well, this was already on the

3004
01:55:47,599 --> 01:55:50,239
agenda, so bringing up something. I just

3005
01:55:50,239 --> 01:55:53,119
wanted but the town around town journal

3006
01:55:53,119 --> 01:55:55,199
suggestion wasn't so I wanted to be sure

3007
01:55:55,199 --> 01:56:00,560
to get that uh raised. Uh also um

3008
01:56:00,560 --> 01:56:03,599
I I know that council member Crims is to

3009
01:56:03,599 --> 01:56:05,440
be the point person for the search for

3010
01:56:05,440 --> 01:56:08,400
the new town manager. Um, I encourage

3011
01:56:08,400 --> 01:56:11,360
the council to consider an expanded

3012
01:56:11,360 --> 01:56:13,199
approach maybe in paneling a search

3013
01:56:13,199 --> 01:56:14,800
committee that includes two council

3014
01:56:14,800 --> 01:56:20,159
members, perhaps the mayor as well, as two count towns people, a fivep

3015
01:56:20,159 --> 01:56:22,320
person search committee, in other words,

3016
01:56:22,320 --> 01:56:24,719
for the new town manager.

3017
01:56:24,719 --> 01:56:27,679
>> Um, we're actually all on that committee

3018
01:56:27,679 --> 01:56:30,080
as uh we understand from our town

3019
01:56:30,080 --> 01:56:32,400
manager. So, Connor is just taking the

3020
01:56:32,400 --> 01:56:32,880
lead.

3021
01:56:32,880 --> 01:56:35,119
>> Yeah. on getting in touch with the

3022
01:56:35,119 --> 01:56:37,040
search, but the entire council and

3023
01:56:37,040 --> 01:56:39,199
myself will actually

3024
01:56:39,199 --> 01:56:41,040
>> uh be on that committee.

3025
01:56:41,040 --> 01:56:42,880
>> Is there is there going to be a role for

3026
01:56:42,880 --> 01:56:44,719
town's people to be serving on the

3027
01:56:44,719 --> 01:56:45,760
search committee?

3028
01:56:45,760 --> 01:56:49,040
>> Uh we have not made that decision, but

3029
01:56:49,040 --> 01:56:50,800
>> we are we are

3030
01:56:50,800 --> 01:56:52,400
>> I hope so. I think it would be a good

3031
01:56:52,400 --> 01:56:53,840
idea to have some uh

3032
01:56:53,840 --> 01:56:56,320
>> Yep. I appreciate the input, Joe. And I

3033
01:56:56,320 --> 01:56:58,960
will as I'm working forward in this I

3034
01:56:58,960 --> 01:56:59,520
will

3035
01:56:59,520 --> 01:57:01,920
>> and and finally and finally I want to

3036
01:57:01,920 --> 01:57:05,280
extend best wish best wishes to Alex

3037
01:57:05,280 --> 01:57:07,280
Marini and her acting town manager

3038
01:57:07,280 --> 01:57:09,840
position. I know Alex to be a very

3039
01:57:09,840 --> 01:57:12,239
friendly hardworking person who's

3040
01:57:12,239 --> 01:57:14,800
respectful of towns people and those are

3041
01:57:14,800 --> 01:57:17,040
all very important qualities and uh

3042
01:57:17,040 --> 01:57:18,719
they're they're qualities that promise

3043
01:57:18,719 --> 01:57:21,199
to serve her well in her acting town

3044
01:57:21,199 --> 01:57:24,080
manager role. So congratulations Alex.

3045
01:57:24,080 --> 01:57:26,800
>> Thanks Joe. Anything

3046
01:57:26,800 --> 01:57:28,560
else? [clears throat]

3047
01:57:28,560 --> 01:57:30,560
And I don't see any other hands. Anybody

3048
01:57:30,560 --> 01:57:32,080
in the audience want to say anything?

3049
01:57:32,080 --> 01:57:34,480
You guys are good. Okay. All right.

3050
01:57:34,480 --> 01:57:37,199
Great. Okay. All right. We will move on

3051
01:57:37,199 --> 01:57:39,440
to the resolutions.

3052
01:57:39,440 --> 01:57:42,800
Um, we have two resolutions on here. One

3053
01:57:42,800 --> 01:57:44,880
is for the DRB

3054
01:57:44,880 --> 01:57:49,599
and one is to uh re uh engage uh Shorb

3055
01:57:49,599 --> 01:57:52,719
uh contract to a landscape from Kennedy.

3056
01:57:52,719 --> 01:57:55,199
What am I doing? Oh, sorry you guys. You

3057
01:57:55,199 --> 01:57:56,960
guys want to talk too?

3058
01:57:56,960 --> 01:57:58,960
>> Ready to move on.

3059
01:57:58,960 --> 01:58:01,760
>> Gosh. Yeah, we've talked a lot.

3060
01:58:01,760 --> 01:58:03,199
>> I felt like everybody's had their

3061
01:58:03,199 --> 01:58:04,960
moment. Let's start with Stuart. Stuart,

3062
01:58:04,960 --> 01:58:06,639
do you have anything you want to add?

3063
01:58:06,639 --> 01:58:08,960
>> Uh, briefly, just a plug on uh

3064
01:58:08,960 --> 01:58:10,880
Walktober. Uh, we are doing Walktober

3065
01:58:10,880 --> 01:58:12,480
again this year. We are doing it a

3066
01:58:12,480 --> 01:58:13,760
little differently than we have in the

3067
01:58:13,760 --> 01:58:16,080
past or perhaps a return to the way we

3068
01:58:16,080 --> 01:58:18,159
did in the past, I should say. Uh, every

3069
01:58:18,159 --> 01:58:20,400
weekend in October, we will be leading

3070
01:58:20,400 --> 01:58:23,760
town walks. Um, starting on October 3rd,

3071
01:58:23,760 --> 01:58:25,440
we will do a food and restaurant walk

3072
01:58:25,440 --> 01:58:27,360
starting at Java Nation at 10:30. By the

3073
01:58:27,360 --> 01:58:29,040
way, all these walks start at 10:30. So,

3074
01:58:29,040 --> 01:58:30,800
we'd love to have participation if folks

3075
01:58:30,800 --> 01:58:32,639
are interested. Uh, food and restaurant

3076
01:58:32,639 --> 01:58:33,840
walk, we'll start at Java Nation. We'll

3077
01:58:33,840 --> 01:58:36,639
go from 10:30 to 12. On October 10th,

3078
01:58:36,639 --> 01:58:38,239
we'll have a transportation walk leaving

3079
01:58:38,239 --> 01:58:41,920
out at Warner Mansion at 10:30. Um, on

3080
01:58:41,920 --> 01:58:43,599
October 17th, we'll do an infrastructure

3081
01:58:43,599 --> 01:58:45,599
improvement walk leaving out at Ernest

3082
01:58:45,599 --> 01:58:48,239
Memorial Park um at 10:30. And then

3083
01:58:48,239 --> 01:58:49,840
obviously we talked about the um the

3084
01:58:49,840 --> 01:58:51,599
wonderful defending democracy and art

3085
01:58:51,599 --> 01:58:52,639
walk that we're going to be doing on

3086
01:58:52,639 --> 01:58:55,199
October 24th sitting at Oldtown Market

3087
01:58:55,199 --> 01:58:57,599
10:30. And then I will be leading a

3088
01:58:57,599 --> 01:58:59,440
youth focus walk at Kensington Heights

3089
01:58:59,440 --> 01:59:02,080
Park on the north side October 31st. So

3090
01:59:02,080 --> 01:59:03,840
we have been putting out uh

3091
01:59:03,840 --> 01:59:05,840
communications with uh the town through

3092
01:59:05,840 --> 01:59:06,960
various outlets and so

3093
01:59:06,960 --> 01:59:09,920
>> well the journal went to press yesterday

3094
01:59:09,920 --> 01:59:12,400
so for the October issue and it's right

3095
01:59:12,400 --> 01:59:14,000
there on the second page. So did you

3096
01:59:14,000 --> 01:59:15,440
open it and

3097
01:59:15,440 --> 01:59:16,719
>> the website? So, we got a lot of things

3098
01:59:16,719 --> 01:59:17,920
going on the front.

3099
01:59:17,920 --> 01:59:19,920
>> I know, but

3100
01:59:19,920 --> 01:59:22,320
got to hype it up a little. Um, so

3101
01:59:22,320 --> 01:59:24,560
there's that. Uh, next thing I'd like to

3102
01:59:24,560 --> 01:59:27,760
flag for folks is that we did have a uh

3103
01:59:27,760 --> 01:59:29,760
state highway town council quarterly

3104
01:59:29,760 --> 01:59:32,159
coordination meeting on September 2nd.

3105
01:59:32,159 --> 01:59:34,080
Um, this is is a part of our quarterly

3106
01:59:34,080 --> 01:59:35,520
meetings that we do with uh state

3107
01:59:35,520 --> 01:59:37,520
highway. Um, they provided a pretty

3108
01:59:37,520 --> 01:59:39,360
comprehensive report on all the things

3109
01:59:39,360 --> 01:59:41,679
that we had asked them to provide. Five

3110
01:59:41,679 --> 01:59:43,440
topics. The note that I will flag for

3111
01:59:43,440 --> 01:59:44,880
the town and I'm happy to share the

3112
01:59:44,880 --> 01:59:47,360
minutes from that meeting u they may be

3113
01:59:47,360 --> 01:59:50,080
already posted on the u town website is

3114
01:59:50,080 --> 01:59:52,480
that the light at the intersection that

3115
01:59:52,480 --> 01:59:55,760
mayor referenced uh top of our meeting

3116
01:59:55,760 --> 01:59:57,679
uh which is at St. Hall Park University.

3117
01:59:57,679 --> 02:00:00,080
We had we had met with the community in

3118
02:00:00,080 --> 02:00:04,719
December of 25 post um uh the incident

3119
02:00:04,719 --> 02:00:08,080
there uh and and SHA committed to doing

3120
02:00:08,080 --> 02:00:11,119
a uh a study that would take about nine

3121
02:00:11,119 --> 02:00:12,960
months to design a traffic light at that

3122
02:00:12,960 --> 02:00:14,239
intersection. So I'm talking about

3123
02:00:14,239 --> 02:00:16,719
University at St. Paul Park. Um, so we

3124
02:00:16,719 --> 02:00:18,320
of course we got onto the phone on

3125
02:00:18,320 --> 02:00:19,920
September 2nd asked for an update on

3126
02:00:19,920 --> 02:00:20,880
that and they said that that

3127
02:00:20,880 --> 02:00:22,320
intersection has actually been folded

3128
02:00:22,320 --> 02:00:24,880
into a much larger project which would

3129
02:00:24,880 --> 02:00:27,920
involve basically tearing up one lane in

3130
02:00:27,920 --> 02:00:29,119
each direction along University

3131
02:00:29,119 --> 02:00:32,000
Boulevard from the Kensington

3132
02:00:32,000 --> 02:00:33,840
Connecticut Avenue University split at

3133
02:00:33,840 --> 02:00:35,679
the north side of our town boundary all

3134
02:00:35,679 --> 02:00:37,679
the way out to Georgia Avenue. Um, and

3135
02:00:37,679 --> 02:00:40,080
so they said that uh progress on that

3136
02:00:40,080 --> 02:00:41,920
has started. They have funding which is

3137
02:00:41,920 --> 02:00:44,159
important to note. Um but that that

3138
02:00:44,159 --> 02:00:45,840
build would probably start uh

3139
02:00:45,840 --> 02:00:49,199
significantly in 2028, summer of 2028.

3140
02:00:49,199 --> 02:00:50,880
So it's a bit of a downer. We were

3141
02:00:50,880 --> 02:00:54,560
hoping to have a much more um speedy

3142
02:00:54,560 --> 02:00:56,159
implementation of a traffic light at

3143
02:00:56,159 --> 02:00:57,360
that intersection and it looks like

3144
02:00:57,360 --> 02:00:58,320
we're going to have to wait a little

3145
02:00:58,320 --> 02:01:00,560
bit. So um just want to flag that for

3146
02:01:00,560 --> 02:01:01,920
the town that that is something we are

3147
02:01:01,920 --> 02:01:03,679
keeping our eye on and we are actively

3148
02:01:03,679 --> 02:01:06,480
engaged with SHA, but uh unfortunately

3149
02:01:06,480 --> 02:01:09,119
we had some um news to report there. Can

3150
02:01:09,119 --> 02:01:10,800
I ask I'm so glad you brought this up

3151
02:01:10,800 --> 02:01:12,159
because I was actually going to ask in

3152
02:01:12,159 --> 02:01:14,000
light of the letter from James'

3153
02:01:14,000 --> 02:01:16,639
grandmother. So it when you say tearing

3154
02:01:16,639 --> 02:01:18,960
up the lane, is this like a road diet

3155
02:01:18,960 --> 02:01:20,719
where they're removing a lane to try to

3156
02:01:20,719 --> 02:01:23,119
slow and then we'll also

3157
02:01:23,119 --> 02:01:25,760
>> maybe make changes to slow traffic with

3158
02:01:25,760 --> 02:01:27,520
a light? Did they talk about

3159
02:01:27,520 --> 02:01:28,960
>> We've asked for the study. They have not

3160
02:01:28,960 --> 02:01:31,280
provided us with a study. Uh we asked to

3161
02:01:31,280 --> 02:01:32,880
get the study so we could socialize with

3162
02:01:32,880 --> 02:01:34,239
the community. Actually, council member

3163
02:01:34,239 --> 02:01:36,239
Angel rightfully pointed that out. Um

3164
02:01:36,239 --> 02:01:38,159
and we have not received that yet. Um,

3165
02:01:38,159 --> 02:01:39,920
so I don't know what the scope of work

3166
02:01:39,920 --> 02:01:41,840
entails. It's significant. They did

3167
02:01:41,840 --> 02:01:45,679
debut some um information at the at the

3168
02:01:45,679 --> 02:01:47,199
community meeting in December and then

3169
02:01:47,199 --> 02:01:49,199
they while we were actually on with the

3170
02:01:49,199 --> 02:01:51,840
task force uh I'm sorry with the

3171
02:01:51,840 --> 02:01:54,400
committee somebody identified a slide

3172
02:01:54,400 --> 02:01:56,320
deck that they had published that had

3173
02:01:56,320 --> 02:01:57,520
some like okay we're going to put a

3174
02:01:57,520 --> 02:01:58,960
light in here and we're going to you

3175
02:01:58,960 --> 02:02:00,239
know we're going to note an improvement

3176
02:02:00,239 --> 02:02:01,920
here. But we had talked about as part of

3177
02:02:01,920 --> 02:02:04,400
our plans like, you know, eliminating

3178
02:02:04,400 --> 02:02:06,800
about a lane in each direction, maybe

3179
02:02:06,800 --> 02:02:08,480
adding a little bit of a buffer and a

3180
02:02:08,480 --> 02:02:09,840
bike lane kind of like they did on Old

3181
02:02:09,840 --> 02:02:11,840
Georgetown. But we haven't seen plans

3182
02:02:11,840 --> 02:02:12,400
yet.

3183
02:02:12,400 --> 02:02:14,719
>> Um, if I may, it's Yeah, it's so this

3184
02:02:14,719 --> 02:02:16,080
has been in discussion for a while. I

3185
02:02:16,080 --> 02:02:18,320
mean, even the letter we sent to SHA,

3186
02:02:18,320 --> 02:02:19,840
>> um, we kind of documented every

3187
02:02:19,840 --> 02:02:21,760
iteration of this potential road diet

3188
02:02:21,760 --> 02:02:22,880
that was recommended.

3189
02:02:22,880 --> 02:02:26,000
>> The BIPA, was in the Connecticut Avenue,

3190
02:02:26,000 --> 02:02:27,840
it was in the priority plan that we did

3191
02:02:27,840 --> 02:02:29,199
back in 2020

3192
02:02:29,199 --> 02:02:31,520
>> and 2021. So they're they've they've

3193
02:02:31,520 --> 02:02:34,800
actually now hired someone to do the

3194
02:02:34,800 --> 02:02:36,400
study and they have the funding secured

3195
02:02:36,400 --> 02:02:38,639
to actually do the project they said.

3196
02:02:38,639 --> 02:02:42,159
>> Um so in 20 January 2027 they will get

3197
02:02:42,159 --> 02:02:44,480
to the 30% design and then we implored

3198
02:02:44,480 --> 02:02:46,639
them to share with the community so we

3199
02:02:46,639 --> 02:02:48,719
don't get into a situation where the

3200
02:02:48,719 --> 02:02:50,480
public just doesn't like what they're

3201
02:02:50,480 --> 02:02:52,000
proposing so that there's at least an

3202
02:02:52,000 --> 02:02:54,159
opportunity for feedback and we can we

3203
02:02:54,159 --> 02:02:56,800
offered to host a forum for what the

3204
02:02:56,800 --> 02:02:58,080
design looks like.

3205
02:02:58,080 --> 02:03:00,239
What it boils down to is at the fork of

3206
02:03:00,239 --> 02:03:02,400
University of Connecticut, it would go

3207
02:03:02,400 --> 02:03:05,360
to two lanes to calm traffic because the

3208
02:03:05,360 --> 02:03:07,679
lanes are not technically really needed.

3209
02:03:07,679 --> 02:03:09,760
So, the road diet, which would then

3210
02:03:09,760 --> 02:03:13,280
provide a um protected bike lane and

3211
02:03:13,280 --> 02:03:15,920
possibly sidewalk enhancements and

3212
02:03:15,920 --> 02:03:18,320
improvements, including better buffers

3213
02:03:18,320 --> 02:03:20,560
and so on. Um, and that would go all the

3214
02:03:20,560 --> 02:03:22,320
way um I

3215
02:03:22,320 --> 02:03:23,440
>> going all the way to Georgia,

3216
02:03:23,440 --> 02:03:25,520
>> past Georgia, I thought was even. So

3217
02:03:25,520 --> 02:03:28,639
that's um that's the plan at least as

3218
02:03:28,639 --> 02:03:30,480
they described it and that's how it's

3219
02:03:30,480 --> 02:03:32,719
been articulated at least one other time

3220
02:03:32,719 --> 02:03:35,119
um if not several times to us.

3221
02:03:35,119 --> 02:03:37,040
>> Well, they did have a death of that way

3222
02:03:37,040 --> 02:03:37,440
too.

3223
02:03:37,440 --> 02:03:37,920
>> Yeah.

3224
02:03:37,920 --> 02:03:41,440
>> So the good the good news is that it's

3225
02:03:41,440 --> 02:03:42,960
proceeding and we should have something

3226
02:03:42,960 --> 02:03:45,920
to react to um if not sooner because

3227
02:03:45,920 --> 02:03:47,599
there has to be have been a preliminary

3228
02:03:47,599 --> 02:03:50,239
kind of sketch and design but at least

3229
02:03:50,239 --> 02:03:53,520
by January to see what the actual 30%

3230
02:03:53,520 --> 02:03:55,280
looks like. Yeah,

3231
02:03:55,280 --> 02:03:57,920
>> but um the point they made about why

3232
02:03:57,920 --> 02:04:00,159
they tied this into the traffic light

3233
02:04:00,159 --> 02:04:01,520
improvement into it is that they know

3234
02:04:01,520 --> 02:04:02,960
that they have a dedicated source of

3235
02:04:02,960 --> 02:04:06,639
funding for it, but we push back um all

3236
02:04:06,639 --> 02:04:08,800
of us that they said, "Look, this is

3237
02:04:08,800 --> 02:04:10,560
something that was promised that you

3238
02:04:10,560 --> 02:04:13,440
committed to it, do it sooner." And and

3239
02:04:13,440 --> 02:04:16,560
um the district engineer um

3240
02:04:16,560 --> 02:04:17,520
>> Jonathan,

3241
02:04:17,520 --> 02:04:22,400
>> no, Derek. Derek got it. Um he he uh he

3242
02:04:22,400 --> 02:04:24,400
>> he committed to looking for for ways to

3243
02:04:24,400 --> 02:04:26,320
do it sooner as they had previously

3244
02:04:26,320 --> 02:04:28,080
committed. So we keep we'll keep pushing

3245
02:04:28,080 --> 02:04:28,639
them.

3246
02:04:28,639 --> 02:04:31,920
>> Okay. If there's anything we can do to

3247
02:04:31,920 --> 02:04:34,320
like inform the community and bring

3248
02:04:34,320 --> 02:04:36,159
additional

3249
02:04:36,159 --> 02:04:38,080
>> pressure. I don't know what's helpful.

3250
02:04:38,080 --> 02:04:39,840
>> One thing that we haven't done yet that

3251
02:04:39,840 --> 02:04:42,639
um I thought we can and should do is at

3252
02:04:42,639 --> 02:04:45,520
least hear what delegate Solomon's

3253
02:04:45,520 --> 02:04:47,520
position is on this. mentioned that

3254
02:04:47,520 --> 02:04:49,040
right at Matt's thing. I said, "Hey,

3255
02:04:49,040 --> 02:04:50,239
maybe we should we should reach out."

3256
02:04:50,239 --> 02:04:51,440
>> Because he had been he had been leading

3257
02:04:51,440 --> 02:04:53,440
a lot of the engagement with SHA for

3258
02:04:53,440 --> 02:04:54,239
that event.

3259
02:04:54,239 --> 02:04:54,560
>> Yeah.

3260
02:04:54,560 --> 02:04:55,360
>> And follow up.

3261
02:04:55,360 --> 02:04:58,159
>> He also was engaged with the outer parts

3262
02:04:58,159 --> 02:05:00,159
of University Avenue and improvements

3263
02:05:00,159 --> 02:05:01,599
that they were trying to do for bike

3264
02:05:01,599 --> 02:05:03,840
pedestrian safety that ultimately

3265
02:05:03,840 --> 02:05:05,199
>> SHA

3266
02:05:05,199 --> 02:05:06,719
>> chose not to move forward with after

3267
02:05:06,719 --> 02:05:08,480
their pilot. And I think,

3268
02:05:08,480 --> 02:05:10,719
>> you know, he was frustrated. And I think

3269
02:05:10,719 --> 02:05:13,360
his point is he's trying to

3270
02:05:13,360 --> 02:05:15,840
>> make these kind of sound improvements.

3271
02:05:15,840 --> 02:05:17,360
And so I think it would be great to get

3272
02:05:17,360 --> 02:05:18,800
his take on it.

3273
02:05:18,800 --> 02:05:20,480
>> Yeah. And that's my final comment and we

3274
02:05:20,480 --> 02:05:21,760
should probably move on. I know there's

3275
02:05:21,760 --> 02:05:24,719
a lot but um just like did any

3276
02:05:24,719 --> 02:05:27,280
discussion come up about piloting like

3277
02:05:27,280 --> 02:05:30,239
before you like they could put up

3278
02:05:30,239 --> 02:05:32,560
barriers and test out a road diet and

3279
02:05:32,560 --> 02:05:33,760
start doing some of these things.

3280
02:05:33,760 --> 02:05:35,599
>> We asked them previously and this is

3281
02:05:35,599 --> 02:05:37,119
where things shift all the time. There's

3282
02:05:37,119 --> 02:05:39,440
like seven different parts of SHA

3283
02:05:39,440 --> 02:05:41,520
represented. we had suggested and

3284
02:05:41,520 --> 02:05:42,960
requested even at that meeting in

3285
02:05:42,960 --> 02:05:44,080
December

3286
02:05:44,080 --> 02:05:46,719
>> um with uh administrator Pines

3287
02:05:46,719 --> 02:05:48,480
>> to do a quick build just a quick build

3288
02:05:48,480 --> 02:05:49,840
which would be like a temporary

3289
02:05:49,840 --> 02:05:51,280
>> and they say okay we'll look into it and

3290
02:05:51,280 --> 02:05:52,800
then they told us at the meeting

3291
02:05:52,800 --> 02:05:55,360
>> that we had in when was that February

3292
02:05:55,360 --> 02:05:57,199
>> February that they would they would

3293
02:05:57,199 --> 02:05:58,719
consider it for for a quick build but

3294
02:05:58,719 --> 02:06:00,560
now all of a sudden it's actually going

3295
02:06:00,560 --> 02:06:02,960
to happen as a permanent installation.

3296
02:06:02,960 --> 02:06:06,880
So we, you know, we've emphasized, you

3297
02:06:06,880 --> 02:06:08,719
know, we tried it out and then they, you

3298
02:06:08,719 --> 02:06:11,119
know, they go off and do their thing and

3299
02:06:11,119 --> 02:06:13,360
come back to us with

3300
02:06:13,360 --> 02:06:14,800
>> maybe they felt the numbers were low

3301
02:06:14,800 --> 02:06:17,679
enough in that area. They did a traffic

3302
02:06:17,679 --> 02:06:19,679
study the numbers.

3303
02:06:19,679 --> 02:06:21,840
>> Well, I don't think I've seen like the

3304
02:06:21,840 --> 02:06:23,280
spot, you know, the where the rubber

3305
02:06:23,280 --> 02:06:25,199
hoses across the road or what what they

3306
02:06:25,199 --> 02:06:26,480
would have done. I don't think I've seen

3307
02:06:26,480 --> 02:06:28,639
anything about traffic studies out

3308
02:06:28,639 --> 02:06:30,560
there, but maybe I missed that.

3309
02:06:30,560 --> 02:06:32,079
>> Okay. Thank you.

3310
02:06:32,079 --> 02:06:34,639
a point on that when you how in a quick

3311
02:06:34,639 --> 02:06:37,599
build they what the pylon off the curb

3312
02:06:37,599 --> 02:06:41,440
lanes how would the buses operate in

3313
02:06:41,440 --> 02:06:42,079
>> this was

3314
02:06:42,079 --> 02:06:43,599
>> and and to that point I'm sure you guys

3315
02:06:43,599 --> 02:06:44,960
have talked about this but it's your

3316
02:06:44,960 --> 02:06:47,199
committee of like maybe another part of

3317
02:06:47,199 --> 02:06:49,760
this quick builder or immediacy that

3318
02:06:49,760 --> 02:06:52,400
could be taken is because we all saw

3319
02:06:52,400 --> 02:06:55,199
Wada and the county were very capable of

3320
02:06:55,199 --> 02:06:56,960
putting bus lanes in on Rockfell Pike

3321
02:06:56,960 --> 02:06:58,320
overnight

3322
02:06:58,320 --> 02:07:00,079
>> without a whole lot of public notice but

3323
02:07:00,079 --> 02:07:02,159
like could they be converted to bus only

3324
02:07:02,159 --> 02:07:03,280
lanes,

3325
02:07:03,280 --> 02:07:03,760
>> right?

3326
02:07:03,760 --> 02:07:04,719
>> They just showed up.

3327
02:07:04,719 --> 02:07:06,560
>> So, but could they be converted to bus

3328
02:07:06,560 --> 02:07:09,679
only lanes as an interim to trying to

3329
02:07:09,679 --> 02:07:12,000
calm that corridor? Granted that as

3330
02:07:12,000 --> 02:07:12,960
we've heard in other things,

3331
02:07:12,960 --> 02:07:14,960
enforcement, they only work if they're

3332
02:07:14,960 --> 02:07:15,520
enforced.

3333
02:07:15,520 --> 02:07:19,199
>> Yeah. No, I just to your point like

3334
02:07:19,199 --> 02:07:21,920
>> you can do things quickly and test.

3335
02:07:21,920 --> 02:07:25,360
>> Yeah. They did say they engaged with

3336
02:07:25,360 --> 02:07:29,280
Wada and Rhyon and that they were they

3337
02:07:29,280 --> 02:07:31,599
were concerned. um those entities were

3338
02:07:31,599 --> 02:07:33,280
concerned with what was being proposed

3339
02:07:33,280 --> 02:07:35,280
and what the buses would do. At one

3340
02:07:35,280 --> 02:07:40,560
point we were told um by a previous

3341
02:07:40,560 --> 02:07:43,280
one of the previous lead um partners at

3342
02:07:43,280 --> 02:07:44,960
SHA who's since moved to a different

3343
02:07:44,960 --> 02:07:47,679
role uh that they were going to do the

3344
02:07:47,679 --> 02:07:50,239
designated bus lane as part of it um and

3345
02:07:50,239 --> 02:07:51,760
that was going to be the plan and maybe

3346
02:07:51,760 --> 02:07:53,040
they'd be able to get some bike lanes

3347
02:07:53,040 --> 02:07:55,199
but now it's shifted. So the point is we

3348
02:07:55,199 --> 02:07:57,040
just kept saying just let us see let us

3349
02:07:57,040 --> 02:07:58,480
see what's being proposed and let's

3350
02:07:58,480 --> 02:07:59,280
discuss it before it's

3351
02:07:59,280 --> 02:08:00,400
>> finalized. Yeah.

3352
02:08:00,400 --> 02:08:00,800
>> Thank you.

3353
02:08:00,800 --> 02:08:02,320
>> Yeah.

3354
02:08:02,320 --> 02:08:04,480
>> Um keep you guys updated on that for

3355
02:08:04,480 --> 02:08:06,000
sure. Um one other thing coming out of

3356
02:08:06,000 --> 02:08:08,880
that the PBS uh MTC is you know we're

3357
02:08:08,880 --> 02:08:14,560
going to continue to focus on SHA and our and our high-speed hightra uh

3358
02:08:14,560 --> 02:08:16,159
routes. But what I think I'm starting to

3359
02:08:16,159 --> 02:08:17,840
focus on is things that we can do in

3360
02:08:17,840 --> 02:08:20,560
town that are in our uh custody and

3361
02:08:20,560 --> 02:08:23,040
control. And so to that effect, I've

3362
02:08:23,040 --> 02:08:24,960
started um essentially putting together

3363
02:08:24,960 --> 02:08:27,040
a study for sidewalks and crosswalks

3364
02:08:27,040 --> 02:08:28,800
methodology. And so I've spent a

3365
02:08:28,800 --> 02:08:30,880
considerable amount of time uh walking

3366
02:08:30,880 --> 02:08:32,400
the town documenting current conditions

3367
02:08:32,400 --> 02:08:33,920
as we've leveraged some of the previous

3368
02:08:33,920 --> 02:08:36,560
work that council member Angel and Allen

3369
02:08:36,560 --> 02:08:39,119
has put together for walk audit. So um I

3370
02:08:39,119 --> 02:08:40,560
hope to have something in front of that

3371
02:08:40,560 --> 02:08:42,480
committee soon. We'll bring it to the

3372
02:08:42,480 --> 02:08:44,239
town once we get the committee's input,

3373
02:08:44,239 --> 02:08:45,440
but I just want to keep it on

3374
02:08:45,440 --> 02:08:46,719
everybody's radar. This will be

3375
02:08:46,719 --> 02:08:48,079
something coming out of the committee

3376
02:08:48,079 --> 02:08:49,520
there shortly. So

3377
02:08:49,520 --> 02:08:51,440
>> yeah, sidewalks we can do pretty easily.

3378
02:08:51,440 --> 02:08:52,560
>> Yeah, absolutely.

3379
02:08:52,560 --> 02:08:53,280
>> But yeah,

3380
02:08:53,280 --> 02:08:54,800
>> thank you for the support. Uh that's all

3381
02:08:54,800 --> 02:08:55,520
I have.

3382
02:08:55,520 --> 02:08:57,360
>> Yeah. Yeah.

3383
02:08:57,360 --> 02:09:01,840
>> Um briefly on Greenscape,

3384
02:09:01,840 --> 02:09:03,760
those of you who are paying attention,

3385
02:09:03,760 --> 02:09:05,920
Ernest Memorial Park has had some

3386
02:09:05,920 --> 02:09:07,280
improvements put in place.

3387
02:09:07,280 --> 02:09:08,320
>> Improvements.

3388
02:09:08,320 --> 02:09:10,639
>> We have lighting, we have benches, we

3389
02:09:10,639 --> 02:09:14,480
have new flag poles. Um the planting

3390
02:09:14,480 --> 02:09:17,199
installation is coming. And I did want

3391
02:09:17,199 --> 02:09:19,280
to acknowledge that unfortunately we had

3392
02:09:19,280 --> 02:09:21,520
to take down that very large beautiful

3393
02:09:21,520 --> 02:09:24,320
willow tree because there was decay.

3394
02:09:24,320 --> 02:09:27,360
Limbs large limbs were falling. But at

3395
02:09:27,360 --> 02:09:29,199
our next greenscape committee meeting we

3396
02:09:29,199 --> 02:09:32,000
will consider how we can add trees back.

3397
02:09:32,000 --> 02:09:33,679
>> I think if it had been sitting in a big

3398
02:09:33,679 --> 02:09:35,840
field somewhere it would have been okay

3399
02:09:35,840 --> 02:09:38,400
but it was right sidewalk but sidewalk

3400
02:09:38,400 --> 02:09:41,679
electrical wires it was. Yeah cuz that

3401
02:09:41,679 --> 02:09:43,840
last limb that came down went right on

3402
02:09:43,840 --> 02:09:45,840
the sidewalk. We're very lucky that it

3403
02:09:45,840 --> 02:09:48,560
nobody was there. It was huge.

3404
02:09:48,560 --> 02:09:52,400
>> And it wasn't a windy day. It just was

3405
02:09:52,400 --> 02:09:53,840
>> That looks great.

3406
02:09:53,840 --> 02:09:54,639
>> It does look great.

3407
02:09:54,639 --> 02:09:56,000
>> Thank you for the work. Your ribbon

3408
02:09:56,000 --> 02:09:56,880
cutting.

3409
02:09:56,880 --> 02:09:58,960
>> We're going to re uh we've t I've talked

3410
02:09:58,960 --> 02:10:02,639
to Jim and uh about um doing something

3411
02:10:02,639 --> 02:10:07,440
next Memorial Day. So, um Yeah.

3412
02:10:07,440 --> 02:10:09,360
So, I think that'll be great. So,

3413
02:10:09,360 --> 02:10:11,119
he's he's all excited and already

3414
02:10:11,119 --> 02:10:13,520
working on on things. So, we're the

3415
02:10:13,520 --> 02:10:15,920
greenscape's meeting on Sunday for um

3416
02:10:15,920 --> 02:10:18,320
from 3:00 to 4:00 in the park just to

3417
02:10:18,320 --> 02:10:20,480
kind of get re familiar with the

3418
02:10:20,480 --> 02:10:23,119
plantings. Um things have changed a

3419
02:10:23,119 --> 02:10:25,840
little bit. They always do. and to make

3420
02:10:25,840 --> 02:10:28,400
sure everything is is going through. And

3421
02:10:28,400 --> 02:10:30,480
um going to look at possibly adding a

3422
02:10:30,480 --> 02:10:33,360
sound barrier type of fencing just along

3423
02:10:33,360 --> 02:10:36,639
a small section to as you're up there at

3424
02:10:36,639 --> 02:10:39,599
the memorial, you're not quite inundated

3425
02:10:39,599 --> 02:10:42,480
with the sound, but um if you're coming

3426
02:10:42,480 --> 02:10:45,199
down Connecticut Avenue going north,

3427
02:10:45,199 --> 02:10:47,520
it's it's lit up at night. I'm not I

3428
02:10:47,520 --> 02:10:48,719
know some people have been there and it

3429
02:10:48,719 --> 02:10:51,119
wasn't lit up, so I'm not not sure what

3430
02:10:51,119 --> 02:10:54,239
the um timer is on that. supposed to go

3431
02:10:54,239 --> 02:10:55,199
until midnight.

3432
02:10:55,199 --> 02:10:56,480
>> I know, but I don't know what time it

3433
02:10:56,480 --> 02:10:57,520
comes on.

3434
02:10:57,520 --> 02:11:00,000
>> Oh, uh

3435
02:11:00,000 --> 02:11:03,920
I want to say 5, but I'll have to stop

3436
02:11:03,920 --> 02:11:06,480
>> just check. But anyway, um I was able to

3437
02:11:06,480 --> 02:11:09,119
see it coming up the down going north on

3438
02:11:09,119 --> 02:11:13,669
Connecticut. It was really bright.

3439
02:11:13,679 --> 02:11:18,079
So, yeah. So, we're doing good.

3440
02:11:18,079 --> 02:11:19,679
>> Back to school event or anything.

3441
02:11:19,679 --> 02:11:21,520
>> I feel like did we talk about that? I

3442
02:11:21,520 --> 02:11:22,880
can't remember what month

3443
02:11:22,880 --> 02:11:27,189
>> pictures.

3444
02:11:27,199 --> 02:11:29,119
We did have a wonderful turnout. I felt

3445
02:11:29,119 --> 02:11:32,800
like I had talked about it. Maybe I'm

3446
02:11:32,800 --> 02:11:34,560
>> We did have a great back to school block

3447
02:11:34,560 --> 02:11:37,040
party. Thank you to the town support.

3448
02:11:37,040 --> 02:11:39,840
Kensington and K um was tremendous. They

3449
02:11:39,840 --> 02:11:41,360
made sure that every single kid that

3450
02:11:41,360 --> 02:11:43,760
attended got a backpack and school

3451
02:11:43,760 --> 02:11:47,119
supplies. I will say we welcomed a lot

3452
02:11:47,119 --> 02:11:49,440
of new families, many of whom who had

3453
02:11:49,440 --> 02:11:50,960
just moved to Kensington and they're

3454
02:11:50,960 --> 02:11:52,320
like, "Wow, this is awesome." I was

3455
02:11:52,320 --> 02:11:55,280
like, "Wait, do you see Labor Day?"

3456
02:11:55,280 --> 02:11:56,239
>> um,

3457
02:11:56,239 --> 02:11:59,760
>> so we're finding that it's now trending

3458
02:11:59,760 --> 02:12:01,840
younger, like a lot of more of like the

3459
02:12:01,840 --> 02:12:03,679
kindergarten, first to third grade

3460
02:12:03,679 --> 02:12:05,280
families are coming.

3461
02:12:05,280 --> 02:12:08,880
>> Um, but, uh, I think it was it was much

3462
02:12:08,880 --> 02:12:09,679
appreciated.

3463
02:12:09,679 --> 02:12:13,760
>> Yeah. Yeah, that was good.

3464
02:12:13,760 --> 02:12:16,880
Okay. Um I'll be very quick. So um Tracy

3465
02:12:16,880 --> 02:12:18,480
brought to my attention there's a

3466
02:12:18,480 --> 02:12:22,560
Maryland municipal league um achievement

3467
02:12:22,560 --> 02:12:26,560
awards for uh categories

3468
02:12:26,560 --> 02:12:28,320
for things that have been implemented by

3469
02:12:28,320 --> 02:12:30,000
towns and municipal other by

3470
02:12:30,000 --> 02:12:32,320
municipalities around the state for

3471
02:12:32,320 --> 02:12:34,159
community engagement, sustainability,

3472
02:12:34,159 --> 02:12:37,199
and a couple of other topics. Um, and

3473
02:12:37,199 --> 02:12:40,719
she suggested that we put in a an award

3474
02:12:40,719 --> 02:12:43,440
application for the town's food waste

3475
02:12:43,440 --> 02:12:45,599
collection program because it's very

3476
02:12:45,599 --> 02:12:48,239
unique in in not only in this in the

3477
02:12:48,239 --> 02:12:50,480
county, but also just the way that it's

3478
02:12:50,480 --> 02:12:53,199
done and then partnered with the um

3479
02:12:53,199 --> 02:12:56,400
ecology and then it where it goes and what happens to it in the

3480
02:12:56,400 --> 02:12:58,320
processing. So,

3481
02:12:58,320 --> 02:13:00,639
>> I will put together an application

3482
02:13:00,639 --> 02:13:03,040
unless anyone disagrees or opposes.

3483
02:13:03,040 --> 02:13:04,000
this. No, I think

3484
02:13:04,000 --> 02:13:05,280
>> I think it'd be really nice and and the

3485
02:13:05,280 --> 02:13:06,639
idea is to share lessons with other

3486
02:13:06,639 --> 02:13:08,560
municipalities so you can learn from one

3487
02:13:08,560 --> 02:13:10,239
another. A lot of the spirit of what we

3488
02:13:10,239 --> 02:13:11,920
do with sustainable Kensington anyway

3489
02:13:11,920 --> 02:13:13,840
because we like to share those those

3490
02:13:13,840 --> 02:13:15,360
lessons and examples and we learned a

3491
02:13:15,360 --> 02:13:16,719
lot from other municipalities. So,

3492
02:13:16,719 --> 02:13:18,719
>> and I would I would you know mention too

3493
02:13:18,719 --> 02:13:20,800
that we have the composting here too for

3494
02:13:20,800 --> 02:13:22,719
people that you know don't have their

3495
02:13:22,719 --> 02:13:23,679
pickup.

3496
02:13:23,679 --> 02:13:24,000
>> Yeah.

3497
02:13:24,000 --> 02:13:26,159
>> Um so, you know, a lot of people can and

3498
02:13:26,159 --> 02:13:28,000
it's open. You know, if a restaurant

3499
02:13:28,000 --> 02:13:29,760
wanted to do it, they could do it. So,

3500
02:13:29,760 --> 02:13:31,199
you just have to bring it over here. But

3501
02:13:31,199 --> 02:13:31,920
we do have a point.

3502
02:13:31,920 --> 02:13:33,840
>> Yeah. I'll mention that in anything, but

3503
02:13:33,840 --> 02:13:36,159
I will um

3504
02:13:36,159 --> 02:13:38,079
>> I'll just submit it. Maybe Ann and I can

3505
02:13:38,079 --> 02:13:39,679
take a look look at it together.

3506
02:13:39,679 --> 02:13:41,520
>> I think it was that package sent I think

3507
02:13:41,520 --> 02:13:41,760
to

3508
02:13:41,760 --> 02:13:43,119
>> you had a lot of material prepared

3509
02:13:43,119 --> 02:13:45,920
already first application.

3510
02:13:45,920 --> 02:13:46,400
>> Yeah.

3511
02:13:46,400 --> 02:13:47,920
>> Um and the only other thing was just to

3512
02:13:47,920 --> 02:13:51,840
say it was a really nice um 911

3513
02:13:51,840 --> 02:13:54,159
commemoration ceremony um for the for

3514
02:13:54,159 --> 02:13:56,000
the you know last Friday with the

3515
02:13:56,000 --> 02:13:58,000
Kensington Volunteer Fire Department.

3516
02:13:58,000 --> 02:13:58,400
>> Um

3517
02:13:58,400 --> 02:13:59,199
>> and a good turnout.

3518
02:13:59,199 --> 02:14:00,639
>> Good turnout. Yeah. I don't know if you

3519
02:14:00,639 --> 02:14:01,679
were going to say anything about it, but

3520
02:14:01,679 --> 02:14:04,560
it was really touching and very um I

3521
02:14:04,560 --> 02:14:06,880
think a very good ceremony and they had

3522
02:14:06,880 --> 02:14:08,400
a a museum that they kind of did a

3523
02:14:08,400 --> 02:14:11,760
pop-up museum inside the the fire hall u

3524
02:14:11,760 --> 02:14:14,239
and it was just very good event and I

3525
02:14:14,239 --> 02:14:17,119
encourage other towns members to go in

3526
02:14:17,119 --> 02:14:19,199
future events because I uh for me it was

3527
02:14:19,199 --> 02:14:20,880
my first one actually. So

3528
02:14:20,880 --> 02:14:22,560
>> yeah, I haven't missed any and it's just

3529
02:14:22,560 --> 02:14:24,800
been um last year's was a little bit

3530
02:14:24,800 --> 02:14:26,639
more laidback. It wasn't nearly as big

3531
02:14:26,639 --> 02:14:28,719
as this year's but it was it was nice.

3532
02:14:28,719 --> 02:14:30,960
I'm really we're very fortunate that the

3533
02:14:30,960 --> 02:14:33,280
fire department took this on and um that

3534
02:14:33,280 --> 02:14:35,040
they um they remember it every year.

3535
02:14:35,040 --> 02:14:35,760
>> Yeah. Great job.

3536
02:14:35,760 --> 02:14:36,480
>> Every year.

3537
02:14:36,480 --> 02:14:40,709
>> To accompany that, there's also

3538
02:14:40,719 --> 02:14:45,119
news around the uh 9/11 memorial that's

3539
02:14:45,119 --> 02:14:49,119
at station 5 here in Kensington and kind

3540
02:14:49,119 --> 02:14:52,159
of station 5's uh activities on that

3541
02:14:52,159 --> 02:14:53,119
day.

3542
02:14:53,119 --> 02:14:55,760
>> Yeah. to show how even though we are

3543
02:14:55,760 --> 02:14:58,400
miles from the Pentagon, how the whole,

3544
02:14:58,400 --> 02:15:00,800
you know, firefighting and emergency

3545
02:15:00,800 --> 02:15:05,119
personnel all work together to, you

3546
02:15:05,119 --> 02:15:07,599
know, support what happened on 911, but

3547
02:15:07,599 --> 02:15:10,239
also to backfill for other departments

3548
02:15:10,239 --> 02:15:12,719
and just, you know, take care of each

3549
02:15:12,719 --> 02:15:14,480
other as a first responder community.

3550
02:15:14,480 --> 02:15:16,320
>> Yeah. Uh, Brookside Gardens has a nice

3551
02:15:16,320 --> 02:15:18,800
memorial, too, there for 911. It's

3552
02:15:18,800 --> 02:15:23,040
really so but yeah was

3553
02:15:23,040 --> 02:15:25,119
yeah very moving.

3554
02:15:25,119 --> 02:15:27,599
So actually the one of the speakers he

3555
02:15:27,599 --> 02:15:30,159
actually was at the Pentagon and was

3556
02:15:30,159 --> 02:15:31,440
burned

3557
02:15:31,440 --> 02:15:32,239
>> and so he got

3558
02:15:32,239 --> 02:15:36,000
>> he's an acting secretary.

3559
02:15:36,000 --> 02:15:36,320
>> Wow.

3560
02:15:36,320 --> 02:15:40,069
>> I said defense [laughter]

3561
02:15:40,079 --> 02:15:41,920
» anyway. But no, he he was a very good

3562
02:15:41,920 --> 02:15:43,679
speaker though about his experience

3563
02:15:43,679 --> 02:15:45,920
having been at the Pentagon and and

3564
02:15:45,920 --> 02:15:48,719
taken to the you know burned over quite

3565
02:15:48,719 --> 02:15:50,560
>> the fire and the fire chief who was

3566
02:15:50,560 --> 02:15:52,639
acting fire chief recounted a lot of

3567
02:15:52,639 --> 02:15:54,239
what you were talking about how how they

3568
02:15:54,239 --> 02:15:56,079
all went down and

3569
02:15:56,079 --> 02:15:59,920
>> everyone jumped in and just yeah

3570
02:15:59,920 --> 02:16:00,800
>> Connor

3571
02:16:00,800 --> 02:16:03,840
>> uh two items um I think clearly on

3572
02:16:03,840 --> 02:16:06,000
behalf of the whole council Labor Day

3573
02:16:06,000 --> 02:16:08,159
Alex if you will carry it to the town

3574
02:16:08,159 --> 02:16:11,040
staff and crew I Everybody was here. It

3575
02:16:11,040 --> 02:16:13,440
was a true all hands event and it was

3576
02:16:13,440 --> 02:16:16,480
spectacular. Um, as always, but I mean

3577
02:16:16,480 --> 02:16:19,679
it the parade was unbelievably

3578
02:16:19,679 --> 02:16:21,679
efficient. It was moving the little

3579
02:16:21,679 --> 02:16:24,079
adjustments you made of kind of putting

3580
02:16:24,079 --> 02:16:26,400
people mid parade volunteers to help you

3581
02:16:26,400 --> 02:16:30,000
know shorten any gaps. Um, it really

3582
02:16:30,000 --> 02:16:32,479
worked well. My just two little stories

3583
02:16:32,479 --> 02:16:33,840
about it were one the neighbors up on

3584
02:16:33,840 --> 02:16:36,639
the north side who again just they love

3585
02:16:36,639 --> 02:16:38,559
listening to the band set up and prep

3586
02:16:38,559 --> 02:16:40,559
and kind of starts their day cup of

3587
02:16:40,559 --> 02:16:43,040
coffee on the porch and then you know

3588
02:16:43,040 --> 02:16:45,040
they know that once it starts they just

3589
02:16:45,040 --> 02:16:46,479
cut across the tracks and they get their

3590
02:16:46,479 --> 02:16:48,160
prime spot and they get to see the whole

3591
02:16:48,160 --> 02:16:52,240
thing. Um the other one at the festival,

3592
02:16:52,240 --> 02:16:54,719
um you know, it helps cuz we had our

3593
02:16:54,719 --> 02:16:56,160
shirts on and everything, but somebody

3594
02:16:56,160 --> 02:16:58,000
came up to just say like, you know, they

3595
02:16:58,000 --> 02:17:00,080
were asking directions to things. Um

3596
02:17:00,080 --> 02:17:01,599
they were not residents. In fact, they

3597
02:17:01,599 --> 02:17:05,359
were from way out in Howard County. They

3598
02:17:05,359 --> 02:17:06,960
were coming down here because they had

3599
02:17:06,960 --> 02:17:08,880
read about a record shop and some other

3600
02:17:08,880 --> 02:17:11,359
antique shops and the cumin shop. No

3601
02:17:11,359 --> 02:17:13,200
idea that there was a parade. Wow.

3602
02:17:13,200 --> 02:17:14,000
That's

3603
02:17:14,000 --> 02:17:16,240
>> everything's closed on Monday. So they

3604
02:17:16,240 --> 02:17:17,679
were happy to kind of come in off of

3605
02:17:17,679 --> 02:17:21,359
Georgia and they parked. Um but they

3606
02:17:21,359 --> 02:17:23,760
were just like this is amazing. They're

3607
02:17:23,760 --> 02:17:25,760
like this is small town Americana. They

3608
02:17:25,760 --> 02:17:26,880
they're like this is

3609
02:17:26,880 --> 02:17:28,559
>> oh that's the company they saw at Warner

3610
02:17:28,559 --> 02:17:29,679
when we

3611
02:17:29,679 --> 02:17:31,519
>> like this is even better than what we

3612
02:17:31,519 --> 02:17:34,160
came here to do. Right. You know they

3613
02:17:34,160 --> 02:17:36,240
came in they were getting food and drink

3614
02:17:36,240 --> 02:17:37,760
and they were taking a look at the art

3615
02:17:37,760 --> 02:17:39,200
show and they were and they were just

3616
02:17:39,200 --> 02:17:42,880
like this is amazing. Uh and it's we get

3617
02:17:42,880 --> 02:17:43,280
to live here

3618
02:17:43,280 --> 02:17:44,000
>> and they were like

3619
02:17:44,000 --> 02:17:46,880
>> right. So, just kudos kudos to the staff

3620
02:17:46,880 --> 02:17:50,719
and crew and volunteers uh and the the

3621
02:17:50,719 --> 02:17:53,120
uh parade coordinators, everybody who

3622
02:17:53,120 --> 02:17:55,200
was out there just making it go off

3623
02:17:55,200 --> 02:17:58,639
without a hitch. I think we uh

3624
02:17:58,639 --> 02:17:59,679
[clears throat]

3625
02:17:59,679 --> 02:18:03,040
100 pounds of candy were distributed

3626
02:18:03,040 --> 02:18:04,319
>> that we're not supposed to throw.

3627
02:18:04,319 --> 02:18:05,840
>> Uh did you go to eat?

3628
02:18:05,840 --> 02:18:10,800
>> It was distributed as instructed. Um so

3629
02:18:10,800 --> 02:18:13,359
>> I cannot speak for the mayor. Um, so

3630
02:18:13,359 --> 02:18:14,000
that was

3631
02:18:14,000 --> 02:18:15,760
>> way

3632
02:18:15,760 --> 02:18:19,040
>> that was number one. Uh, number two,

3633
02:18:19,040 --> 02:18:24,000
there was a community meeting um for 104

3634
02:18:24,000 --> 02:18:27,040
10 Kensington Parkway put on by the

3635
02:18:27,040 --> 02:18:30,399
contract purchasers. Um, this is not yet

3636
02:18:30,399 --> 02:18:32,639
even a development review board, but

3637
02:18:32,639 --> 02:18:35,519
they are pre-application right now with

3638
02:18:35,519 --> 02:18:39,599
the county to look at conver converting

3639
02:18:39,599 --> 02:18:41,920
the office building that is there,

3640
02:18:41,920 --> 02:18:45,120
bringing it down and then putting in up

3641
02:18:45,120 --> 02:18:48,479
to 19 town houses. They are very

3642
02:18:48,479 --> 02:18:50,399
preliminary in this, but they held a

3643
02:18:50,399 --> 02:18:52,559
community meeting on September 2nd where

3644
02:18:52,559 --> 02:18:54,639
they went through some of their initial

3645
02:18:54,639 --> 02:18:56,479
thoughts, answered questions from the

3646
02:18:56,479 --> 02:18:59,599
community. They have not um there are

3647
02:18:59,599 --> 02:19:02,240
some prepending files like a site plan

3648
02:19:02,240 --> 02:19:04,719
and a preliminary plan that they are in

3649
02:19:04,719 --> 02:19:06,960
due course will file with the county and

3650
02:19:06,960 --> 02:19:08,960
at that time we've made them very aware

3651
02:19:08,960 --> 02:19:10,719
of how our development review board

3652
02:19:10,719 --> 02:19:14,479
process works. Um and as soon as we see

3653
02:19:14,479 --> 02:19:16,960
an application we will reach out to

3654
02:19:16,960 --> 02:19:18,880
coordinate a development review board

3655
02:19:18,880 --> 02:19:22,479
meeting with those plans so that we can

3656
02:19:22,479 --> 02:19:24,719
assess it in its application against our

3657
02:19:24,719 --> 02:19:27,840
sector plan. um how it kind of

3658
02:19:27,840 --> 02:19:30,399
integrates into uh that part of the

3659
02:19:30,399 --> 02:19:32,559
community, you know, look at things like

3660
02:19:32,559 --> 02:19:35,920
circulation and traffic and access um

3661
02:19:35,920 --> 02:19:37,599
you know, trees and lighting, all that

3662
02:19:37,599 --> 02:19:39,840
the kind of things the DRB looks at. So,

3663
02:19:39,840 --> 02:19:42,719
just be on the lookout. We will uh

3664
02:19:42,719 --> 02:19:45,200
publish the DRB meetings when we know

3665
02:19:45,200 --> 02:19:48,479
them um on the town calendar and we will

3666
02:19:48,479 --> 02:19:52,160
send out eblasts. Um, I work to you make

3667
02:19:52,160 --> 02:19:53,359
sure to try and get those out to the

3668
02:19:53,359 --> 02:19:55,840
Kensington listerve. Um, as a reminder,

3669
02:19:55,840 --> 02:19:58,399
the DRB meetings are always open to the

3670
02:19:58,399 --> 02:20:00,319
public, but they are intended for the

3671
02:20:00,319 --> 02:20:04,080
DRB to ask questions of the applicant

3672
02:20:04,080 --> 02:20:07,280
and get that uh information back to the

3673
02:20:07,280 --> 02:20:11,040
DRB members. Um, where and always when

3674
02:20:11,040 --> 02:20:15,280
we have additional time, um, we, you

3675
02:20:15,280 --> 02:20:17,439
know, may turn the open the meeting for

3676
02:20:17,439 --> 02:20:19,520
questions from the public. Um and as

3677
02:20:19,520 --> 02:20:21,840
well we will work to do in person where

3678
02:20:21,840 --> 02:20:23,200
it makes sense but leverage our

3679
02:20:23,200 --> 02:20:24,720
technology where it also makes sense to

3680
02:20:24,720 --> 02:20:26,640
make sure that we can get as much access

3681
02:20:26,640 --> 02:20:28,479
as possible.

3682
02:20:28,479 --> 02:20:31,200
>> A quick I don't think I think this

3683
02:20:31,200 --> 02:20:33,439
happened after our July meeting that

3684
02:20:33,439 --> 02:20:35,439
about the sector refresh where that

3685
02:20:35,439 --> 02:20:35,920
stands.

3686
02:20:35,920 --> 02:20:36,800
>> Yeah.

3687
02:20:36,800 --> 02:20:40,160
>> So the um there was always a plan to

3688
02:20:40,160 --> 02:20:42,720
begin this year a refresh of the

3689
02:20:42,720 --> 02:20:44,640
Kensington sector plan which was last

3690
02:20:44,640 --> 02:20:46,800
adopted in 2012. what we are operating

3691
02:20:46,800 --> 02:20:50,240
under currently. Um, unfortunately due

3692
02:20:50,240 --> 02:20:51,920
to budget constraints with Montgomery

3693
02:20:51,920 --> 02:20:55,200
County planning, they've had to push

3694
02:20:55,200 --> 02:20:58,160
that one year. Everything's kind of done

3695
02:20:58,160 --> 02:21:00,960
one year at a time um until they can

3696
02:21:00,960 --> 02:21:02,640
receive funding from the county. So

3697
02:21:02,640 --> 02:21:07,280
assuming that that funding uh comes to

3698
02:21:07,280 --> 02:21:09,920
fruition in this upcoming budget cycle,

3699
02:21:09,920 --> 02:21:12,000
we would start kind of this, you know,

3700
02:21:12,000 --> 02:21:16,080
July of next year in a refresh, a minor

3701
02:21:16,080 --> 02:21:19,040
master look at our sector plan, which

3702
02:21:19,040 --> 02:21:22,160
will be a, you know, potentially

3703
02:21:22,160 --> 02:21:24,319
multi-year process. It will certainly be

3704
02:21:24,319 --> 02:21:26,399
a solid year of work working with all of

3705
02:21:26,399 --> 02:21:28,720
the stakeholders and experts and getting

3706
02:21:28,720 --> 02:21:30,960
that information and then, you know, the

3707
02:21:30,960 --> 02:21:33,280
publication and updating of that plan.

3708
02:21:33,280 --> 02:21:34,960
You know, we've been informed that that

3709
02:21:34,960 --> 02:21:36,960
could be upwards of of a two-year

3710
02:21:36,960 --> 02:21:38,640
process.

3711
02:21:38,640 --> 02:21:39,280
So,

3712
02:21:39,280 --> 02:21:41,359
>> okay. Right. Thank you.

3713
02:21:41,359 --> 02:21:44,880
>> I just have a couple of things. cuz I I don't think people realize how uh

3714
02:21:44,880 --> 02:21:46,399
difficult

3715
02:21:46,399 --> 02:21:48,640
uh the end towards the end of August

3716
02:21:48,640 --> 02:21:52,399
through the end of um well this year o

3717
02:21:52,399 --> 02:21:54,640
the first weekend in October because we

3718
02:21:54,640 --> 02:21:57,200
have the back to school then we have the

3719
02:21:57,200 --> 02:21:59,920
Labor Day parade and then we have this

3720
02:21:59,920 --> 02:22:03,760
train show and then we have the 8k ra

3721
02:22:03,760 --> 02:22:06,000
>> we get a week off weekend off and then

3722
02:22:06,000 --> 02:22:08,640
we have the car show. So, it is a really

3723
02:22:08,640 --> 02:22:10,960
busy time. And then we threw in the fact

3724
02:22:10,960 --> 02:22:13,520
that the staff was down here and we're

3725
02:22:13,520 --> 02:22:15,840
moving back upstairs

3726
02:22:15,840 --> 02:22:18,800
uh the week before the Labor Day parade

3727
02:22:18,800 --> 02:22:21,840
and then we had Matt dive.

3728
02:22:21,840 --> 02:22:24,640
>> So, you know, he gave a 30-day notice.

3729
02:22:24,640 --> 02:22:27,680
So, it has been very busy down here. So,

3730
02:22:27,680 --> 02:22:29,840
I really want to thank the staff for all

3731
02:22:29,840 --> 02:22:32,240
their efforts. I want to thank public

3732
02:22:32,240 --> 02:22:35,200
works for it was like a bunch of

3733
02:22:35,200 --> 02:22:36,880
squatters had been down here for the

3734
02:22:36,880 --> 02:22:39,920
last six months.

3735
02:22:39,920 --> 02:22:41,200
>> Getting this room ready.

3736
02:22:41,200 --> 02:22:43,840
>> Oh my gosh, [laughter] it was a mess.

3737
02:22:43,840 --> 02:22:46,000
And so I want to thank public works who

3738
02:22:46,000 --> 02:22:47,920
came down here and got, you know, the

3739
02:22:47,920 --> 02:22:49,920
carpet cleaned and they got the chairs

3740
02:22:49,920 --> 02:22:51,920
down and, you know, and kind of and I

3741
02:22:51,920 --> 02:22:54,000
want to thank the cable. I asked Albert,

3742
02:22:54,000 --> 02:22:55,680
could you just check everything and make

3743
02:22:55,680 --> 02:22:57,920
sure everything's working and he found a

3744
02:22:57,920 --> 02:22:59,920
bad cable for the Zoom. So you guys are

3745
02:22:59,920 --> 02:23:02,319
lucky. who's online. We found that out

3746
02:23:02,319 --> 02:23:04,319
earlier. So, I just want to thank

3747
02:23:04,319 --> 02:23:06,160
everybody who was involved, but um the

3748
02:23:06,160 --> 02:23:08,160
upstairs offices look great. We still

3749
02:23:08,160 --> 02:23:10,880
aren't haven't received all the uh uh

3750
02:23:10,880 --> 02:23:13,600
furnishings that have been ordered, so

3751
02:23:13,600 --> 02:23:15,840
they should be in hopefully soon. So,

3752
02:23:15,840 --> 02:23:18,080
Alex is working off of a six-ft plastic

3753
02:23:18,080 --> 02:23:21,040
table and so she's ready to get her her

3754
02:23:21,040 --> 02:23:29,520
desk soon. But, um it was it was a tough uh month of of work. And I I want

3755
02:23:29,520 --> 02:23:31,359
to thank you guys. U you guys really

3756
02:23:31,359 --> 02:23:34,479
pulled it together and um so thank you

3757
02:23:34,479 --> 02:23:36,720
Brooke and you know it was uh it was

3758
02:23:36,720 --> 02:23:39,520
tough but uh we've got uh two more

3759
02:23:39,520 --> 02:23:42,399
events and then everybody can just kind

3760
02:23:42,399 --> 02:23:44,560
of take a catch your breath.

3761
02:23:44,560 --> 02:23:47,359
>> I understand why municipal works month

3762
02:23:47,359 --> 02:23:49,840
>> comes in November should be in

3763
02:23:49,840 --> 02:23:53,359
September. It really should be. So, um,

3764
02:23:53,359 --> 02:23:54,960
and that, you know, and that includes

3765
02:23:54,960 --> 02:23:58,080
making sure that the, um, residents, you

3766
02:23:58,080 --> 02:23:59,760
know, are being taken care of of what

3767
02:23:59,760 --> 02:24:01,439
their needs are and, you know, and

3768
02:24:01,439 --> 02:24:04,160
everything else. So, um, and getting

3769
02:24:04,160 --> 02:24:06,560
journals out, everything else. So,

3770
02:24:06,560 --> 02:24:08,720
anyway, just want to add, oh, and and I

3771
02:24:08,720 --> 02:24:11,280
do want to recognize Q and Rita.

3772
02:24:11,280 --> 02:24:13,680
>> They were our new MC's at the Labor Day

3773
02:24:13,680 --> 02:24:14,399
parade.

3774
02:24:14,399 --> 02:24:15,359
>> How'd that go?

3775
02:24:15,359 --> 02:24:18,720
>> It was Yeah, Romy's had some health

3776
02:24:18,720 --> 02:24:21,040
issues, so not able to do it. So, it was

3777
02:24:21,040 --> 02:24:23,359
a great opportunity to bring in a new

3778
02:24:23,359 --> 02:24:26,000
generation and um they did a fabulous

3779
02:24:26,000 --> 02:24:28,560
job. So, they really really did.

3780
02:24:28,560 --> 02:24:30,880
>> And so, um

3781
02:24:30,880 --> 02:24:32,960
>> anyway, and I want to thank um your

3782
02:24:32,960 --> 02:24:36,000
sister Haley and and you Alex stepped in

3783
02:24:36,000 --> 02:24:40,800
to be the festival chair. Um Lisa had a

3784
02:24:40,800 --> 02:24:42,640
health issue and wasn't able to do it

3785
02:24:42,640 --> 02:24:44,880
this year, so Alex stepped in. So, we

3786
02:24:44,880 --> 02:24:47,040
had the Marini women running the

3787
02:24:47,040 --> 02:24:52,640
festival and the parade. this year. So, that was another task that was put on

3788
02:24:52,640 --> 02:24:54,399
their shoulders and so thank you very

3789
02:24:54,399 --> 02:24:57,600
much for doing that as well. Okay. So,

3790
02:24:57,600 --> 02:24:59,840
uh if we've all spoken anything from the

3791
02:24:59,840 --> 02:25:01,840
staff, you guys good?

3792
02:25:01,840 --> 02:25:04,720
>> No. Okay. All right. Well, it's Let's

3793
02:25:04,720 --> 02:25:07,359
get the resolutions and regulations done

3794
02:25:07,359 --> 02:25:08,080
then.

3795
02:25:08,080 --> 02:25:09,760
>> Yes.

3796
02:25:09,760 --> 02:25:11,359
Mayor and Council, before you is

3797
02:25:11,359 --> 02:25:14,319
resolution R-11-2026,

3798
02:25:14,319 --> 02:25:15,920
a resolution of the town council of

3799
02:25:15,920 --> 02:25:17,280
Kensington for confirming the

3800
02:25:17,280 --> 02:25:19,120
appointment of Anne Marie Turner and the

3801
02:25:19,120 --> 02:25:21,040
reappoints of Mike Henahan and Michael

3802
02:25:21,040 --> 02:25:23,280
Gordon to the development or review.

3803
02:25:23,280 --> 02:25:26,080
>> Okay. Uh, any questions?

3804
02:25:26,080 --> 02:25:26,720
>> Nope.

3805
02:25:26,720 --> 02:25:28,640
>> Okay. Could I get a motion to approve?

3806
02:25:28,640 --> 02:25:30,960
>> Yeah, I'll move to approve resolution

3807
02:25:30,960 --> 02:25:34,389
R-11-2026.

3808
02:25:34,399 --> 02:25:36,160
» Okay. Is there a second?

3809
02:25:36,160 --> 02:25:36,800
>> Second.

3810
02:25:36,800 --> 02:25:38,080
>> All those in favor?

3811
02:25:38,080 --> 02:25:41,120
>> I. Okay. And we are actually going to

3812
02:25:41,120 --> 02:25:45,200
pull resolution uh R-12-2026

3813
02:25:45,200 --> 02:25:47,359
pending further review of the contract

3814
02:25:47,359 --> 02:25:48,560
by the town attorney.

3815
02:25:48,560 --> 02:25:49,120
>> Okay.

3816
02:25:49,120 --> 02:25:51,359
>> It's not the contract's not until it's

3817
02:25:51,359 --> 02:25:53,280
for March to December of next year.

3818
02:25:53,280 --> 02:25:54,880
>> Oh, so we have plenty of time. Okay.

3819
02:25:54,880 --> 02:25:55,680
>> Okay. Good.

3820
02:25:55,680 --> 02:25:56,479
>> Okay.

3821
02:25:56,479 --> 02:25:57,600
>> Thanks. Oh,

3822
02:25:57,600 --> 02:25:58,960
>> is this going to come back before the

3823
02:25:58,960 --> 02:25:59,439
time?

3824
02:25:59,439 --> 02:26:01,280
>> Oh, yeah. It will. Oh, yeah. Yeah. No,

3825
02:26:01,280 --> 02:26:01,680
it will.

3826
02:26:01,680 --> 02:26:02,640
>> Ask your questions then.

3827
02:26:02,640 --> 02:26:04,399
>> Well, I do have a question. Uh, I know

3828
02:26:04,399 --> 02:26:06,640
it's late, but I I just I just would

3829
02:26:06,640 --> 02:26:08,479
like to know how many times we've

3830
02:26:08,479 --> 02:26:11,040
sleourced this contract to Shorb. I

3831
02:26:11,040 --> 02:26:12,880
understand they're local. That's great.

3832
02:26:12,880 --> 02:26:14,399
I just would like to know if this is our

3833
02:26:14,399 --> 02:26:16,240
fourth year consecutively or fifth year

3834
02:26:16,240 --> 02:26:16,800
consecutively.

3835
02:26:16,800 --> 02:26:18,960
>> And since we

3836
02:26:18,960 --> 02:26:20,960
had the had clump because they they did

3837
02:26:20,960 --> 02:26:22,720
all the plantings at Clum Kennedy when

3838
02:26:22,720 --> 02:26:23,600
it was redesigned.

3839
02:26:23,600 --> 02:26:25,520
>> No, when it was redesigned.

3840
02:26:25,520 --> 02:26:26,640
>> 2020.

3841
02:26:26,640 --> 02:26:27,200
>> Oh gosh.

3842
02:26:27,200 --> 02:26:28,479
>> Before my time.

3843
02:26:28,479 --> 02:26:29,359
>> 2016.

3844
02:26:29,359 --> 02:26:32,399
>> Yeah, it's been a while. Yeah. No, it's

3845
02:26:32,399 --> 02:26:37,840
not 2016, but um maybe 18.

3846
02:26:37,840 --> 02:26:39,920
We can look that up. Yeah, that's

3847
02:26:39,920 --> 02:26:41,600
>> Yeah, just interesting how many times.

3848
02:26:41,600 --> 02:26:41,920
>> Yeah,

3849
02:26:41,920 --> 02:26:43,120
>> they've given that they've got that

3850
02:26:43,120 --> 02:26:44,160
contract directly.

3851
02:26:44,160 --> 02:26:44,479
>> Yeah,

3852
02:26:44,479 --> 02:26:45,200
>> thank you.

3853
02:26:45,200 --> 02:26:49,439
>> Okay, good. Um All right. Uh let's see.

3854
02:26:49,439 --> 02:26:52,080
So, we've done public appearances.

3855
02:26:52,080 --> 02:26:56,160
So uh we are going to

3856
02:26:56,160 --> 02:27:00,560
close the uh the meeting and but we are

3857
02:27:00,560 --> 02:27:03,439
going to have a close session.

3858
02:27:03,439 --> 02:27:06,640
So Suwellen to make sure all my

3859
02:27:06,640 --> 02:27:09,359
dots are dotted and my tees are crossed.

3860
02:27:09,359 --> 02:27:11,040
Um

3861
02:27:11,040 --> 02:27:14,000
mayor we have a you have some paperwork

3862
02:27:14,000 --> 02:27:17,439
for me. Thank you. your form

3863
02:27:17,439 --> 02:27:19,439
>> ready have statement for closing a

3864
02:27:19,439 --> 02:27:22,240
meeting. And this meeting is to be

3865
02:27:22,240 --> 02:27:26,230
closed under 3305B

3866
02:27:26,240 --> 02:27:29,280
7 to consult with council to obtain

3867
02:27:29,280 --> 02:27:32,399
legal advice. And the purpose is

3868
02:27:32,399 --> 02:27:35,040
uh the town is seek the council is

3869
02:27:35,040 --> 02:27:38,399
seeking advice from me on legal matters

3870
02:27:38,399 --> 02:27:41,760
with respect to acquisition of the

3871
02:27:41,760 --> 02:27:44,640
property located uh that is parcel A of

3872
02:27:44,640 --> 02:27:46,720
the Kensington Crossing Homeowners

3873
02:27:46,720 --> 02:27:48,399
Association.

3874
02:27:48,399 --> 02:27:52,319
Um and the uh council does not wish to

3875
02:27:52,319 --> 02:27:54,240
wave its attorney client privilege or

3876
02:27:54,240 --> 02:27:57,040
make public our legal strategy.

3877
02:27:57,040 --> 02:27:57,760
>> Okay.

3878
02:27:57,760 --> 02:28:00,560
>> What's the reason therefore?

3879
02:28:00,560 --> 02:28:02,640
>> Do you have the closing statement?

3880
02:28:02,640 --> 02:28:05,200
>> Yes, you have it.

3881
02:28:05,200 --> 02:28:08,640
>> You should have it.

3882
02:28:08,640 --> 02:28:12,479
>> Well, I have it. But which

3883
02:28:12,479 --> 02:28:13,840
>> Oh, if you want to send it back down

3884
02:28:13,840 --> 02:28:17,439
here, we can pull it out. Yeah.

3885
02:28:17,439 --> 02:28:19,520
>> Yeah. Oh, you just need me to sign it.

3886
02:28:19,520 --> 02:28:21,920
Oh, I can sign that. Let me just fill

3887
02:28:21,920 --> 02:28:24,080
out who's

3888
02:28:24,080 --> 02:28:29,990
the motion. Do all that. Okay.

3889
02:28:30,000 --> 02:28:31,040
» Ready for a motion?

3890
02:28:31,040 --> 02:28:31,520
>> Yes.

3891
02:28:31,520 --> 02:28:33,439
Second.

3892
02:28:33,439 --> 02:28:36,640
>> I move that we go into close session so

3893
02:28:36,640 --> 02:28:38,800
that we can consult with our legal

3894
02:28:38,800 --> 02:28:41,840
counsel concerning the matters already

3895
02:28:41,840 --> 02:28:42,560
described.

3896
02:28:42,560 --> 02:28:43,680
>> Yes.

3897
02:28:43,680 --> 02:28:44,880
>> Is there a second?

3898
02:28:44,880 --> 02:28:45,680
>> Second.

3899
02:28:45,680 --> 02:28:46,960
>> All those in favor? Hi.

3900
02:28:46,960 --> 02:28:47,760
>> Hi.

3901
02:28:47,760 --> 02:28:51,830
>> Okay. Thank you very much.

3902
02:28:51,840 --> 02:28:52,880
» Thanks for being here.

3903
02:28:52,880 --> 02:28:54,160
>> Thank you for all your hard work.

3904
02:28:54,160 --> 02:28:56,880
>> This was such a nice

3905
02:28:56,880 --> 02:28:58,800
>> You forgot to mention the black market

3906
02:28:58,800 --> 02:29:02,319
lemonade. So

3907
02:29:02,319 --> 02:29:03,760
>> I can email you. I got your email.

3908
02:29:03,760 --> 02:29:04,080
>> You're good.

3909
02:29:04,080 --> 02:29:06,960
>> Yeah. Yes. You going