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This meeting is being transcribed and summarized.

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Here. Mr. Mills.

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Mr. Davis.

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Here.

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Mr. Jester.

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Sir, you have seven President, you do have a quorum.

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Thank you very much.

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I also haven't front of you.

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The agenda for tonight.

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If there's no additions or corrections.

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I'll entertain a motion in a second.

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The move.

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Second.

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I have a motion in a second.

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Sir, call the commission.

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Mr. Peter.

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Mr. approve.

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Mr. Servon.

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Yes, to approve.

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Mrs. Carcher.

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Yes, to approve.

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Mr. Jester.

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Yes to approve. Mr. Mills. Yes to approve. Mr. Davils. Yes to approve. Mr.

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Justor. Yes to approve. Sir, you have seven years in favor of approving tonight's agenda.

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Thank you very much and I'll come right back to you for the introduction and public

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care and instructions. Thank you. This public hearing is being conducted for the purpose of

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giving the citizens.

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Over the county, the opportunity to present testimony on the applications before the Regional Planning Commission.

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Everyone will have a chance to speak. All statements should be made from the podium at the front of the room. All testimony

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given shall be sworn or affirmed. For the record, please give you a name and address. Copies of any written statements

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are exhibit used during the hearing should be presented for identification and inclusion in the record. The record will

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remain open for two business days following tonight's hearing.

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For each application before the commission, the chairman will introduce the application,

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then the applicant or representative will be given 15 minutes to present the application.

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Following that, those in favor of the application will be a lot of five minutes each

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to speak, then those opposed to the application will be a lot of five minutes each to

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speak.

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When everyone has had an opportunity to give testimony, the hearing on the application will be closed.

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No decision will be made tonight by the Commission.

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The Commission will hold a public business meeting next Thursday, September 10th at 6pm,

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at which time it will make a decision on the applications heard tonight.

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All information of record will be considered, and a common vote of four members of the Commission is required to make a decision.

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Anyone may attend the business meeting, but no new testimony will be received.

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The public notice of this hearing was published on August 12, 2026, in the Delaware

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State News.

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The Levy Court will hear these applications on Tuesday, September 15, 2026 at 7 p.m.

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Unlustabled by the Commission, or withdrawn, prior to the Levy Court hearing.

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The Levy Court also meets in this room.

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Mr. Sharma.

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Thank you, Sarah. I appreciate it. I would ask that if you have a cell phone or other electronic device that you either turn it off or have it on vibrate, so it won't disturb us doing this meeting tonight.

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We'll now get into our public hearing.

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First one of tonight's agenda is C.S.

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Day 26,

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Greek Prope, applicant is Petroleum Equipment,

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Care of Vente Catality, 3799 North DuPont Highway,

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Dover Delaware, owner is Stali Holding LLC, 16255,

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Sussex Highway, Bridgeville, Bridgeville, Merlin.

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it's zoning is AC, it's zoning is,

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that record district has Mr. Scott, school district

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is Lake Forest, our district is Federico Station 49, it's 29.5 acres within the Cattail

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Crete subdivision, project area is 0.26 plus or minus acres, because there's someone here

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to represent this application, you can come to the mic and I'll have our attorney to either

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Affirm you, or swear you in.

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Thank you. Good evening. I'm Charlie Barnett with Morrison Richie Associates,

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one-one-one-ruth, our drive, and your work dollar.

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Got his mic. That's Barnett. Do you swear that the attestment you were giving tonight

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is the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth?

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I do.

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All right. Good evening again. Thank you for your time.

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I'm on me. Here before you tonight, to talk about the Catelle Creek

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proposed propane facility as you do already explained. I have two gentlemen with me

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from pours propane tonight if you have questions at the end of my presentation that are

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outside of expertise or gas or things of that notion they would be glad to speak.

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I have an answer question.

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How can we all relate to this correct you have so this did come before you a little over

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two years ago for a conditional use and a similar waiver it was granted approval at that

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time and it was granted approval by the levy court in April of 2024.

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So you must have expired or something you had to come back to.

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Absolutely.

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Yes sir.

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So we're back before we came for two.

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I don't know.

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Maybe I'll try three for three.

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So yes.

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It was approved back then.

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There were there were some conditions that were put on the waiver request.

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And I think, I saw it just up here a minute ago, that slide,

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so here's the layout of the facility.

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The next slide is very similar.

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Similar to the exhibit that was provided when we received that approval back in 2024, there was a conditional

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some conditions put on the waiver request at that time. The conditional use was fully approved by both

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the recommended for approval by you commissioners as well as approved by the levy court. However, the actual waiver for the

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that was provided with that approval.

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There were, it was our site plan in the background

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with three dimensions superimposed over top of that plan.

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And what happened at the time is

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my client, a propane company, looked at the exhibit.

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Two of these three dimensions,

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it was already being met with the site plan at the time.

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The third dimension that wasn't being met

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was the 50-foot setback from the Barrett's Chapel Road right away.

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This plan you're looking at now, again, as I said, is the new layout, and you can see

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the fence facility part right here at the arrow.

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At the time, 2024, that fence area, that fence portion of it that contains the meters and

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actually runs the facility was right up against as close as anything else to the road right

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way.

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There were some mistakes made at the time. One of those mistakes was the interpretation

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of this map, and at the time my client believed that that 50 foot dimension was true the

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fence itself, not to the underground tanks, but they thought that the dimension they interpreted

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it to mean that it was a 50 foot requirement to the fence to the road right away. The other

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state that was made at the time was they went out and built the facility prior to receiving

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final approval from the planning department.

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So this facility was actually constructed and is in operation now and it was constructed

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in the orientation that you see on this plan here before you.

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I believe it was an honest mistake made by them.

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I don't think it was malicious in any way.

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From what I can tell and what they've told me there's really no financial benefit they would have to

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Constructing it this way versus moving things at that time further away, but that's what was done

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They they fully understand that they made a mistake that they were in the wrong

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apologetic for it. They admit that it's it's it's to their fault

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In this circumstance, I often try to put myself in the shoes of of the people I'm dealing with

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They build these facilities all over the place.

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They have many of them in operation now.

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They provide propane to a lot of individual homes.

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They are governed by federal guidelines that are also adopted by the state of Delaware,

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the Public Utilities Commission, and all the counties follow that.

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Another option had they not gotten the conditional use in the first place was there within

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There are rights they could have put a 2,000 gallon tank in each one of the 175 lots in

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this neighborhood.

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They could have put each one of those tanks within 10 foot of a home, within 10 foot of

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a neighboring property line.

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Completely within their rights, wouldn't it had to go through this process, wouldn't

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need the conditional use, meets federal guidelines, very easily could have done that.

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So the setbacks to the tanks in the ground to them, it's just their perception of it

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through all the projects they do, it's not as a concern

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as that fence area, the actual facility.

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What makes this a facility in their mind

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is the fact that they have a regulator inside a fence

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to protect it from other people getting to it.

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So I think trying to put myself in their shoes to me

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and make sense that they would see that as the governing thing

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that the planning department wanted to be moved

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further away from the road.

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And as you can see from the plan that we prepared now,

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it's based off of what we surveyed when we actually located where it ended up being built.

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It is more than 50 feet off of the road right away. So now we're in this position of what

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we do, right? It's in the ground. There are 81 homes already built and using propane from this

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facility in the neighborhood. Again, the condition of use itself was approved by the levee court

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back then. We would hope it would be approved again now because it's expired. But what do you

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about the wave or on the setbacks.

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They've already paid me a lot more than they would have paid

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so you have it approved the right way the first time so I don't think you know they've gotten

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away with something as far as financially here. There's really no benefit to them financially by

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again this orientation versus the tanks being a little bit further away from the road.

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The recommendation in the report that you have asks that they be moved, all the underground propane tanks, so that they would be 50 feet away from the road right away, which is an 11 foot difference.

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So, if that were the route we were to go, they would have to shut off service to the 81 homes, all the people relying on it for heat, cooking and laundry, hot water, whatever.

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They would have to empty out all the tanks.

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I don't know if that goes to the air or it's recovered somehow.

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I'm not familiar with that process.

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They'd have to dig up all nine tanks, find a new place to bury them.

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If you notice, as I said, that difference to make them 50 feet away from that road right

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away line is a difference of 11 feet.

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They would have to move all those tanks to 11 feet further away from the road.

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If you look at the math with how far we are to this building set back here now, we're 135 feet away from it.

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The county has graciously said that they're okay with it being 125.

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Well that's only 10 feet.

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So if we're going to move it 11 feet further away from the road and we only have 10 more feet in the back.

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We've got a completely related whole thing out. They've got a completely come out with a new system.

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I think it would fit, but they can't just move those couple of tanks.

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would have to move more. Further, the only thing that would really accomplish in their mind is

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all of these tanks would now be closer to the only home that's built out there, the closest

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home that's built out there, which would be this home in last 70. Instead of being 125 or 135 feet

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based with it, there are currently 135 feet away from the building setback line now. They would

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probably end up being closer to that because we'd have to move more further away from the road.

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Moving the further away from the road only gets you further from any potential house across the street.

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There's no house there now.

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And if there were a home to be built there, I believe it's front set back,

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being also the established Delta suit would be a 40 foot front set back.

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And that would be 145 feet away from where the tanks are now.

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So we're just stuck at this situation where

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is all of that effort.

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The thousands of dollars from the move all this.

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But the inconvenience of putting those 81 homeowners is that worth 11 feet for an underground

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storage tank that really, well exceeds all the federal codes and those types of things.

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So again, that is not an excuse, that is not, that is not my client saying that they're in

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the right and they should be okay, they completely, completely admit that they made a mistake

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here, throw ourselves at the mercy of you folks, and let me

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court, obviously, but that's where we are.

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And I ask a question, you keep saying they did it.

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They did it, they in who is today.

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Oh, I'm sorry, well, the propane company installed the tanks.

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They have a name.

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Poor's propane, yes.

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OK, because you kept saying, day, and I didn't know you.

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I'm at my client, I apologize.

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I think there is a couple of questions Mr. Davis.

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I remember some of this in the hearing before, I guess I got a couple of questions.

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Would you show me where the first of all the questions be, is it tank area that has

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a thousand gallon tanks?

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Are they have a fence around that area?

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The fence is not around the tanks.

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The fence is around the meter that controls the flow of the regulator.

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I'm sorry that that controls the amount coming in and out. The tanks themselves are not. I think

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Where do I hide your

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so this is the public notice sign that's out there right now. You can actually see the fence in the background

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What's that a fence behind the tank lid?

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That that's a black metal fence around the and this is that regulator that they're talking about says

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So each tank will have a cap on it, a big suppose, like you have in the picture.

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So each other?

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This is one fenced in area that handles all nine tanks.

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So here's where that fence is.

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Okay.

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And the tanks are lined in front of it and onto the ones.

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Second question, point out to me where the truck would come from the gas company to make it delivery to fill those tanks. How did they get to that area?

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This portion over here is a zoomed-out version of this, okay? So here's the facility where we're just talking about a very travel road.

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There is an access drive here that comes around the lots, the truck and park here, and then run a hose down to do what they need to do.

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And lastly, do you know what's the distance to the post of Fall Hygiene?

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I do not know the distance to the closest fire hydrant. Sorry.

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But I think we had that discussion a couple years ago. We had a concern about the hydrogen,

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being put in close to the case of fire, everyone said it has to get water.

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I like the answer, maybe, for next week.

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I could do that. Absolutely. I can say that while they did not get final plan approval from the

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fire marshal and from the conservation district and then after was built the fire marshal did come out

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inspect and approve it as a facility. I'm in a fire sir, so you go worry about approval here.

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I absolutely I absolutely got that one and then go out to the station. I want my question answered. Thank you.

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Absolutely. Mr. Servon. Yes, do you know how far away that closed this natural gas line is?

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I do not. I believe that this facility was proposed because there wasn't that option around.

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I don't know if that's something we know.

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Yeah. I don't think it's particularly a cost involved with extending the natural gas line.

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I was wondering if that was considered.

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I'm not a part of that name, but that's completely up to the companies.

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Yeah, I believe we talked about that natural gas line where it was that before and how far it was from the facility.

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But that was out of the question because of the amount of money

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it would cost to run it there.

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I believe that's the case, but I can tell where it is.

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Or I mean, too, that goes a long time.

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I don't remember what I had for dinner last night.

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So 22 years a long time.

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How deep is the top of that tank under the ground?

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Two feet.

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Two feet.

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And you know, I had no fence around so the kids can play right on top

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of the tank, she was about, right?

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Yeah.

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I didn't hear him.

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He said the tanks are secure with padlocks.

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I understand that, but I'm just saying about it one out of blows,

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what's going to happen

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to the kids?

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You're going to be the first space cadets.

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I'm not sure of that.

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I know it's not in an active recreation portion of the open space of the subdivision.

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Would you be willing to fence in the tanks?

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If you have something to say, I don't want to take it out of the audience, but that's a question

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has to be answered. He'll have to come up and give his name and be sworn in.

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Very well. It's probably a question that would be better answered by someone other than me.

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I can, uh, I can have somebody address that if you'd like.

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It just don't seem like a good idea to admit it. There's that many tanks there that aren't a fence

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around with that many houses. And the other question I had for you is that all the people in that

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development, they've got to buy that gas from your people, right? None of my key hand with their

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private gas company come in drop off of a hollow gallon tank or whatever the tanks are I believe

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that's the case correct.

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So and who regulates the price on that? So I'm Michael Stiner

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with the company this morning. Okay that was Mr. Peter Mineskin and questions I didn't

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recognize him so so our secretary and who he is so you'll have to be give us your name

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and address and be sworn in sir. Michael Stiner 2312 Bridgeway Road. Get up by the

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microphones. Michael Stiner, 2312, Ridgeway Road, Wilmington, Delaware, Sir, do you swear or

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affirm to tell the truth? The whole truth and nothing about the truth? I do. Can you ask

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answer Mr. Peter with questions that he asked you about the service and all? There were two

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questions. So number one, if it's a request, if you would like to us to put a fence off of it, if you

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would like to put a fence as part of this, we'd be willing to do it. You're going to do it?

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As a condition for approval, we would do it.

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That's it.

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Why else have any questions for this gentleman?

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If not, thank you, sir.

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Thank you both for your presentation.

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I assume the engineer you're done with your presentation.

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I am a specialist for the questions.

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Don't wait another two years.

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We'll have make sure we get this done right this time.

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We'll try not to thank you.

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Thank you, sir.

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Is there anyone else here in favor of this application?

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Would like to speak?

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Anyone else in favor?

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third and final call on anyone else in favor. Is anyone else opposed? Is there anyone

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here opposed to what they've done or how they've done it? Come on up and give us your name

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and address and you can be sworn or affirmed.

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Dave Hanks, felt in Delaware. This plan, sorry, was I, do you swear or affirm to tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing about the truth?

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Yes, sir, to best in liability.

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This plan was all done wrong from the beginning. But since it's done and after math, you should make sure that it can be done correctly.

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I just came from that site today and drove into it with my pickup truck.

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I've been delivering propane and gas for over 25 years.

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Somebody in file weather trying to deliver their 9, 10,000 gallon tanks will be in there every day to fill those tanks.

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If you want to make it more advantageous for not only for the drivers and the customers,

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I would greatly suggest that on the road that you make a 35-foot pull off for the truck driver

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to deliver the tanks because when you go in there with a bob tail or a 10-wheel propane tank

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that holds 4-5,000 gallons of propane and you're trying to fill 9-10,000 gallon tanks.

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You're going to be in there every day when you get a cold step.

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with the houses in there now that have heat system and you get a cold snap like this last

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year.

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There's tanks are going to be sucked dry very quickly and if you don't put in a reservation

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or a stipend that there are going to be certain types of hours for delivery trucks are going

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in there all the time and you won't have to worry about so much for explosion or fire because

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propane is one of the safest energy forms around. If there's a fire or explosion it will only

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contain that tank and it'll be a flames straight up and since it's underground you won't have to

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we're about taking anything else out, but for stipulations for this to be approved, I would

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also say that they have a 35 foot pull off, make it easier for the truck driver to fill

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those 10, 9, 10,000 gallon tanks.

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Thank you.

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Thank you for your comments, sir.

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I appreciate anybody having any questions?

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Very good.

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Is there anybody else here that's opposed to this application we'd like to speak?

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Third and final call and then one else here opposed this application.

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If not, we'll be taking this application up next week.

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Thank you for your comments.

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Our next application tonight is CS-26-04 Pro-Cut Tree Services.

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Owner is William Darby L.L.C.

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Little Creek Delaware Engineer and Centering Engineering.

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The zoning district is AC,

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the relationship to the Grove Zone is outside,

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water and wastewater is a city of dover and on-site septic.

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Levy court district is a third, Mr. Angel,

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school district is capital.

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Our district is Little Creek's 54.

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It's 5.86 acres on the south side of Little Creek Road,

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and I guess there's somebody at the mic that's here to represent this application.

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And once again, I believe we've already taken this application up about a year ago, haven't we?

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Yeah, quite a few.

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Anyway, if you'll give us your name and address, you can make Schwarzner affirmed.

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Yeah, some William Derby, 1788 North Little Creek Road.

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And I'm Colby Koch, 19 Roosevelt, I haven't introduced over Delaware.

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Gentlemen, do you smoke?

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Drew Boyce with Central Engineering, 505 Bay Road, go for Delaware.

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You gentlemen, do you swear or affirm the testimony you are about to give?

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Is the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth?

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Yes, yes, thank you.

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Thank you.

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We're going to write a hint.

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Can I ask why we had to come back?

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Yes, so we were unable to make the respective submissions and get approval from the

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required agencies so the conditional use had expired before we could get through that process.

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Do you agree with all staff recommendation on report?

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Yes, I do.

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Okay, go right ahead with whatever your presentation.

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So we, our seat.

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Making a conditional use for the landscaping and horticultural operation at the 1-8-1-8 North Little Creek Road.

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Right now, it currently doesn't have a access road or entrance to the site. So we are looking to improve the site and add a proposed entrance road for the employees and any potential clients that would need to access this business.

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We are also proposing to improve some building improvements.

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We'll be removing part of the agricultural building that's out there and we're going to leave

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a 360 square foot.

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Office is going to be remaining as well as a 200 square foot field office during construction.

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And then once construction is finished,

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The 200 square foot field office will be removed in the 360 square foot office will remain along with the new newly constructed 9,000, 9,999 square foot agricultural building.

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Is anything you're speaking about tonight?

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Change from what you did when you was here previously?

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No sir.

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Okay.

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Is that your presentation?

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Is anybody here having any questions?

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I was actually up there today taking a look at it. The trees that you planted, the

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two rows of trees, that's where the roads are going to go through those two rows, right?

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Sure. But they grew fast, that's curious of what species they were.

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Green giant urban bodies, there's where the yard recommendation to install those around

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the property. So it's in the urban finding family.

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So, in the time that it took you to get back here,

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those trees that actually grow in a pretty well.

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So, they have a nice buffer.

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The structure that you're taking down,

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that's the old barn kind of structure.

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Okay, great.

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That should be a nice improvement.

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I did look over where there were some recommendations.

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Sidewalks, but that area doesn't make any sense at all for them to be there.

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So, great.

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Okay, thank you very much.

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That was Mr. Gorbry. I didn't get to recognize you. I'm sorry. My phone. Anybody else have any questions? Mr. Servon?

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Yes. Could you please show us on the map all these things that you identified?

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Where's the access road going and what were these buildings and so forth?

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Oh,

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there's a plan. Where do I use the pointer?

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So, right here is where the proposed entrance and access road is going to be to the site, and then it will come down around this existing stormwater pond here, and then it will tie in to the existing gravel, paving that's kind of this area.

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And then the building is going to be, it's essentially going to be over where the current existing

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structures and it is going to be separated from the 360 square foot existing office that's going to remain.

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Where's that one? Is that the red roof building?

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The office is right just off to the left here. I'm kind of where my area is pointing at now.

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And outlined it 10,000 foot building.

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It's essentially kind of right in here.

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If there's about like a six foot gap,

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that'll be off of the existing office,

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that's kind of a remain out there.

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Thank you very much.

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Anybody else have any questions?

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Thank you, sir.

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Thank you, gentlemen, for your presentation.

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Thank you very much.

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Thank you, sir.

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Is there anyone else here that's in favor of this project?

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And would like to speak?

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Anyone else here in favor of this project?

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Third and final call would like to speak?

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We'll go over to the negative side. Is there anyone? Is there anybody online? I forgot to ask by deadmark.

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So Mr. Chair, just for the record, we currently don't have it. Do not have any members from the general public online.

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So just wanted to put that in the comments.

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If somebody comes on, let me know.

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I will do that.

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Is there anybody here that's against this application we'd like to speak?

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Anybody against this application would like to speak, third and final call, anyone against

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this application.

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If not then we'll be taking this application up next week.

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Thank you all for your presentations.

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Our last application for tonight's public hearing is actually C. Day's 26th day, so 5. Sunrise Shals Corner solar,

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applicant is Sunrise solar care of Dan Bulger, 6408 Churchill Road, Chester Tamm Rowan, owner

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is David E. Byler, 2485 Shals Corner Road, Clayton Delaware. Engineer is Becker Morgan, property

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location is on Charles Corner Road.

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It's outside the Groves Zone. Present

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used as agriculture. Levy Court District is the second hall. School District

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is Smurna, Fire District is Chazzle Station 43. It's actually 16.5 O acres of 24.6

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O acres total. It's on the east side of Charles Corner Road and I see there's

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somebody at the mic that's going to be sworn in or give us their name and address.

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Yes, good evening. My name is John Falkowski. I'm a civil engineer with Becker Morgan Group, 309, South

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Governors Avenue, Dover Delaware. Mr. Falkowski, do you swear or affirm that the testimony

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you're about to give is the truth of the whole truth? Nothing about the truth. I do. Thank you.

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Thank you for bringing up the presentation. I have a couple slides here to present today. Again,

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my name is John Falkowski, the civil engineer for the project. I have a few representatives here

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from sunrise solar, as well, if case

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there's any technical questions.

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This project is a community energy generating facility

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located in a Clayton address.

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It's really just south of Kenton on Shaw's corner road.

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You can see here, it's a agricultural site,

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the total area of the parcel.

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It's actually two parcels.

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The property line separating the two parcels

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is shown there as a dash line.

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We would be consolidating the two parcels

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for a total of 24.6 acres. The fenced area shown in green. That is the 16.5 acres. That

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is the array. I'll show you in a second. But this is the existing parcel agricultural use. You

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can see wooded area in the back. There's actually a creek behind there. It's got flood plains

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and wetlands. And I'll go over those setbacks and things that we meet in a second. The area

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is mostly residential and agricultural use in the surrounding area,

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just like this site.

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Thank you for making you bigger.

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This is a graphical representation of the site plane

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you've received.

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You can see the array there in these trackers.

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This is a four megawatt, a little less than four megawatt

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AC tracker system.

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And I'll just go over some of the site amenities.

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It's all in accordance with the solar ordinance.

457
00:38:09,420 --> 00:38:25,660
The green area you see around the entire or three sides of the perimeter, but that is the landscape buffer that is a 20-foot wide landscape buffer consisting of all evergreen trees, about ten evergreen trees per hundred linear feet.

458
00:38:26,080 --> 00:38:29,860
That's a pretty typical standard buffer detail for the solar projects.

459
00:38:30,920 --> 00:38:37,220
This project will take access offsholes corner road with a new site access shown right there.

460
00:38:37,220 --> 00:38:45,540
The entrance itself would meet Delta of standards as a paved entrance meeting Delta, they have a solar farm entrance detail now.

461
00:38:45,680 --> 00:38:47,220
We'll be following that.

462
00:38:47,620 --> 00:38:54,640
And then the road coming into the facility would be a gravel road with a turnaround here at the inverter locations.

463
00:38:55,260 --> 00:39:00,320
And that turnaround is designed for the fire apparatus that meets their turnaround requirements.

464
00:39:02,580 --> 00:39:11,180
And I'll talk about the Fencing in a minute, but the entire facility is surrounded by a 7 foot tall agricultural, not wire fence.

465
00:39:11,420 --> 00:39:13,560
I have a photo of I'll show you that in a minute.

466
00:39:14,380 --> 00:39:16,480
They only gate for the most part.

467
00:39:16,600 --> 00:39:22,660
There'll be a couple of access gates around the facility, but the main gate for vehicular access is at this main entrance.

468
00:39:23,020 --> 00:39:28,400
And it will have a Knox box for fire, fire and EMS access.

469
00:39:30,640 --> 00:39:38,800
As I mentioned, the rear of the site, there is floodplain and wetlands back there, but we

470
00:39:38,800 --> 00:39:43,140
are meeting the 100 foot, we're actually in excess of the 100 foot buffers from both of

471
00:39:43,140 --> 00:39:45,360
the stream buffer and both the wetland buffer.

472
00:39:46,340 --> 00:39:53,100
As well as other setbacks that are hard to see on this plan, but we do meet all the residential

473
00:39:53,100 --> 00:39:59,800
dwelling buffers its 100 foot front set back and then 150 feet from any offsite.

474
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:08,460
This is a AC zone outside the girth zone, and so it's 150 feet from many neighboring dwellings, which we exceed.

475
00:40:13,330 --> 00:40:19,850
This is a detail that will be on the final site plans, as well as a graphical representation of what that looks like.

476
00:40:19,970 --> 00:40:28,270
That's what they call a not-wire fence. It's a 12.5-gauge metal fence that has 4x4 inch openings.

477
00:40:29,130 --> 00:40:35,530
That will allow for small wildlife to get through those, as well as every 100 feet we would

478
00:40:35,530 --> 00:40:41,410
cut in that bottom of the fence we would cut a 12-inch by 12-inch opening to allow for

479
00:40:41,410 --> 00:40:47,310
the medium-sized wildlife to fox and to actually be able to enter the facility exit of the facility

480
00:40:47,310 --> 00:40:48,810
should they get in and they're not trapped.

481
00:40:49,750 --> 00:40:52,470
So, very minimal disruption to the wildlife.

482
00:40:52,470 --> 00:41:00,950
It is a wooden posts, as you see there, and the metal fencing with all gates and things

483
00:41:00,950 --> 00:41:04,830
put in concrete and it will hold up over time.

484
00:41:07,620 --> 00:41:10,340
That is a blow up of the landscape detail.

485
00:41:10,600 --> 00:41:16,100
You can see there the staggered Evergreen's, Mr. Grovery was speaking to earlier, it could

486
00:41:16,100 --> 00:41:21,040
be something like a green giant or something that grows quick and shields the facility

487
00:41:21,040 --> 00:41:26,420
from neighboring views and that staggering is so that they can be put closer together, but still

488
00:41:26,420 --> 00:41:29,740
have enough room to grow in properly and provide the proper screening.

489
00:41:33,620 --> 00:41:35,140
This is a typical rendering

490
00:41:35,140 --> 00:41:40,600
of what that may look like after, say, four years. You've noted that in two years you

491
00:41:40,600 --> 00:41:44,840
need to get significant growth on some of those evergreen, arbor variety style trees, and so this

492
00:41:44,840 --> 00:41:50,560
is about a five-year growth and it will continue to get a little bit bigger but not big enough

493
00:41:50,560 --> 00:41:52,380
that they would shield the solar facility

494
00:41:52,380 --> 00:41:55,100
from the sunlight and defeat that purpose.

495
00:41:59,770 --> 00:42:03,750
We were in receipt of some of the neighboring opposition letters.

496
00:42:04,150 --> 00:42:05,510
There was a few that we received.

497
00:42:05,690 --> 00:42:06,650
We've reviewed them all.

498
00:42:06,950 --> 00:42:09,630
We've had contact with several of the neighbors,

499
00:42:10,150 --> 00:42:13,310
the sunrise solar is met with some and spoken with some.

500
00:42:13,990 --> 00:42:16,890
One of the concerns other than the items

501
00:42:16,890 --> 00:42:18,830
I've addressed already was the noise.

502
00:42:20,090 --> 00:42:21,890
So we did a, you can see here,

503
00:42:21,890 --> 00:42:28,970
This is a decibel chart on the side, hard to read there, but the only thing that makes noise

504
00:42:28,970 --> 00:42:33,710
is the inverters, that was at the end of the entrance road, and they're roughly 69 decibels

505
00:42:33,710 --> 00:42:36,090
if you were standing right next to it.

506
00:42:36,570 --> 00:42:43,890
Once you get past that, you can see the decibels drop down as you get 50 feet, 150 feet.

507
00:42:44,110 --> 00:42:48,930
So by the time you get to your minimum ordinance separation from a dwelling unit, you're into

508
00:42:48,930 --> 00:42:55,710
the mid-30s, which is a very quiet, you have refrigerator, quiet office. Our nearest neighbor

509
00:42:55,710 --> 00:43:03,390
is 240 feet, 244 feet, and that's the neighbor directly across from us. You can see the

510
00:43:03,390 --> 00:43:08,670
decibels are a quiet office at 32 decibels. The others I don't, I don't go backwards.

511
00:43:08,670 --> 00:43:09,350
I'd

512
00:43:15,110 --> 00:43:15,650
like to go backwards.

513
00:43:27,450 --> 00:43:27,910
I was going.

514
00:43:28,290 --> 00:43:28,810
Just stopped working.

515
00:43:33,380 --> 00:43:33,480
Sorry?

516
00:43:35,730 --> 00:43:38,710
Yeah, I was just trying to go back as long as it's stopped working.

517
00:43:40,430 --> 00:43:40,830
Apologies.

518
00:43:41,930 --> 00:43:43,370
I keep going one more.

519
00:43:44,150 --> 00:43:45,210
Go back to the cyclone.

520
00:43:45,470 --> 00:43:47,270
If you would, the colorized cyclone.

521
00:43:47,730 --> 00:43:48,230
Right there.

522
00:43:48,430 --> 00:43:49,130
That one's good.

523
00:43:49,410 --> 00:43:51,270
So the inverters are located here.

524
00:43:51,410 --> 00:43:55,090
The 244 feet to the nearest neighbor is directly across the street.

525
00:43:55,330 --> 00:43:59,610
But you can see where well and access to that to neighbors to the north and south.

526
00:43:59,610 --> 00:44:09,610
So, the audible at the property line is next to nothing, I just want to do throw that out there for the residents in the area and you as well.

527
00:44:11,950 --> 00:44:30,290
One thing to note too, I didn't touch on, what is typical for these solar projects in the way it can't conservation district reviews these projects is that the ag land that is currently here in order to meet the regulations for Stonewater runoff will be planning a meto mix throughout the facility and throughout the landscaping buffer.

528
00:44:30,290 --> 00:44:35,410
That's a meadow mix, a pollinator, if you will, that gets planted and grown in.

529
00:44:35,510 --> 00:44:40,450
It does get periodically maintained, it'll get cut back, maybe twice a year.

530
00:44:41,490 --> 00:44:45,410
But that is all the traffic that this site also generates.

531
00:44:47,810 --> 00:44:51,710
The maintenance staff that will come in and take care of the buffers and things like that.

532
00:44:51,790 --> 00:44:56,630
They'll only come in one to two times a year, so this facility also won't generate much traffic.

533
00:45:00,050 --> 00:45:05,990
Now it's working again. So I just want to touch base on the Kent County conditional use standards.

534
00:45:06,830 --> 00:45:14,730
You know, I was like to hit on these four in a conditional use project, the location appropriate, not in conflict with comprehensive plan.

535
00:45:15,170 --> 00:45:22,470
This is on the west side of the county and is in character with some of the neighboring agricultural farmland with mixed clusters of residential.

536
00:45:24,070 --> 00:45:29,730
public health and safety will not be adverse and infected. I have going over some of those

537
00:45:29,730 --> 00:45:35,750
things that we've covered about the buffering and minimal disturbance for putting these

538
00:45:35,750 --> 00:45:40,970
in. They're driven in. They're not heavy disturbance throughout the sites of very minimal

539
00:45:40,970 --> 00:45:47,410
disturbance. And as far as the conditions of approval for the county, we do the soil testing

540
00:45:48,130 --> 00:45:51,590
that is required at building permit stage, the baseline soil testing.

541
00:45:52,590 --> 00:45:55,330
Off-street parking already touched on that. There is no parking of this site,

542
00:45:55,470 --> 00:45:58,410
because we don't anticipate heavy traffic just,

543
00:45:58,950 --> 00:46:02,250
they'll park in that turning that turn around area briefly.

544
00:46:05,360 --> 00:46:08,720
And then the project does meet all the buffers and setbacks contained in the ordinance,

545
00:46:08,860 --> 00:46:11,520
and they'll be maintained to protect surrounding properties.

546
00:46:12,060 --> 00:46:14,640
So those are the necessary safeguards protecting the neighbors.

547
00:46:16,580 --> 00:46:23,340
Touchstone all these, but these are the setbacks listed for a solar community solar project in AC outside of the growth zone.

548
00:46:23,580 --> 00:46:28,500
The buffers are listed here, and we meet all of those as well as the landscape buffering.

549
00:46:29,620 --> 00:46:35,140
As I mentioned, the soil testing will be provided as well as a decommissioning plan, which I believe you already have.

550
00:46:35,620 --> 00:46:42,160
And then the cost estimate will be reviewed third party and approved and a bond issued for the decommissioning.

551
00:46:45,070 --> 00:46:50,610
So again, just to summarize, this is a community energy-generating facility.

552
00:46:51,370 --> 00:46:55,270
It is Delmarva Power. You've heard of some of these before, but it is Delmarva Power,

553
00:46:55,270 --> 00:47:01,590
a service territory that the community energy facilities give the energy back to that grid.

554
00:47:03,070 --> 00:47:07,230
And this does comply with all the local with the solar buffer ordinance.

555
00:47:08,770 --> 00:47:10,490
Happy to take any questions, any specifics?

556
00:47:11,330 --> 00:47:13,130
Yeah, I got a couple of questions for you.

557
00:47:13,310 --> 00:47:14,450
Sure, do you know who it's benefiting?

558
00:47:15,250 --> 00:47:22,930
Who it's benefit electricity goes to it's benefiting well the this program does go to Delmarvah power subscribers

559
00:47:24,750 --> 00:47:32,990
And they can get into this specific specifics of the program, but anyone that is a Delmarvah power subscriber is able to sign up for the program

560
00:47:32,990 --> 00:47:38,890
For upwards of a 10% savings on their electric bill and that can be small commercial it could be residential

561
00:47:38,890 --> 00:47:41,070
But it does have to be Delmarvah power

562
00:47:41,990 --> 00:47:46,550
As far as the record goes, you said you'd do the soil testing to begin with, and then you

563
00:47:46,550 --> 00:47:51,570
do it at whatever five years. Correct. I thought that's what it typically was. Yep, that's

564
00:47:51,570 --> 00:47:55,910
a condition of the ordinance. It will be a conditional final approval at baseline testing

565
00:47:55,910 --> 00:48:01,690
at building permits, stage, and then five year testing after that to make sure everything

566
00:48:01,690 --> 00:48:07,090
still in line. I got a question about a dotted line that goes across through the solar system.

567
00:48:07,090 --> 00:48:12,170
It probably won't make any sense to me which you'll tell me it is, but it shares a dotted line

568
00:48:12,170 --> 00:48:12,850
on one side.

569
00:48:12,990 --> 00:48:20,710
It's got IGB type A and it's got H and A type B. I wonder what that matter represented

570
00:48:20,710 --> 00:48:21,550
on the drawing.

571
00:48:21,950 --> 00:48:23,350
Is that on the site planet itself?

572
00:48:24,310 --> 00:48:24,650
Yes.

573
00:48:24,750 --> 00:48:26,310
That's the soil types.

574
00:48:27,470 --> 00:48:31,010
So there's two different soil types on the soil types.

575
00:48:31,250 --> 00:48:32,290
The soil types.

576
00:48:32,290 --> 00:48:38,570
Okay, wasn't described and I tried looking in your other sheet and see where there's anything else.

577
00:48:38,710 --> 00:48:40,410
Any other commissioners have any questions?

578
00:48:44,020 --> 00:48:45,260
No, nobody has any?

579
00:48:45,700 --> 00:48:47,380
Thank you.

580
00:48:47,380 --> 00:48:48,380
Okay, go ahead.

581
00:48:50,360 --> 00:48:50,820
Uh, just a question.

582
00:48:51,060 --> 00:48:53,780
How tall are these panels off the ground?

583
00:48:54,980 --> 00:48:55,680
At full tilt.

584
00:48:56,080 --> 00:48:57,000
I believe 15 feet.

585
00:48:57,860 --> 00:48:58,080
They're the max.

586
00:48:58,080 --> 00:48:58,920
These are the panels.

587
00:48:59,180 --> 00:49:00,040
So they tilt.

588
00:49:00,220 --> 00:49:01,100
They follow the sun.

589
00:49:01,280 --> 00:49:02,300
So they track with the sun.

590
00:49:02,300 --> 00:49:08,080
So in the beginning and end of the day they'll be at tilt and at 15 feet to the highest peak

591
00:49:08,080 --> 00:49:11,260
at midday they'll be flat, which is about 7 feet.

592
00:49:11,620 --> 00:49:15,320
I read a good article the other day and I got interested in when I read, well I didn't

593
00:49:15,320 --> 00:49:15,540
read.

594
00:49:15,720 --> 00:49:16,520
It's all on the internet.

595
00:49:16,920 --> 00:49:17,540
You don't read that.

596
00:49:17,660 --> 00:49:19,260
You just watch it.

597
00:49:20,260 --> 00:49:24,420
Well, at a one county and another state, they were putting the solar panels high enough

598
00:49:24,420 --> 00:49:30,380
and the grass is under that they were growing, they were putting sheep in the field, the

599
00:49:30,380 --> 00:49:36,740
on the on the land and the sheep are doing much better because of the fact that the solar panels

600
00:49:36,740 --> 00:49:42,400
were shading the grass and keeping it much lower and tender and you know it's just something

601
00:49:42,400 --> 00:49:51,060
we may want to think about in the future if that be possible and as I say you know I hate to

602
00:49:51,060 --> 00:49:58,320
see solar panels taking up agriculture land I do that or housing developments too but they're here

603
00:49:58,320 --> 00:49:59,960
and I guess we gotta live with them, but...

604
00:50:00,660 --> 00:50:09,320
I just wanted to throw that out about apparently a farmer owns his land. That's just a

605
00:50:09,320 --> 00:50:15,180
buzzable. It has been discussed in Sussex County. Some of the solar applications down there,

606
00:50:15,260 --> 00:50:21,300
what you're referring to, I believe it's called Fulgrove Health. Fulgrove, I'll take with the sheep grazing

607
00:50:21,300 --> 00:50:27,780
basically. I don't think we have any intentions to do that here, but it is something that many

608
00:50:27,780 --> 00:50:29,140
you're looking into in the state.

609
00:50:30,040 --> 00:50:31,140
Yeah, I've seen that mentioned also.

610
00:50:31,160 --> 00:50:33,360
I get a magazine called Lancaster Farmer.

611
00:50:34,060 --> 00:50:36,200
And I see they do it in Pennsylvania all the time.

612
00:50:36,700 --> 00:50:38,660
And they've actually created, you know,

613
00:50:38,980 --> 00:50:41,980
being able to make money off that these organizations have.

614
00:50:42,560 --> 00:50:44,240
So anybody else has any questions?

615
00:50:46,000 --> 00:50:47,100
Seeing none, thank you, sir.

616
00:50:47,380 --> 00:50:48,200
Appreciate it.

617
00:50:49,580 --> 00:50:51,320
I'll now open it up for general public.

618
00:50:51,480 --> 00:50:54,460
Is there anyone here that would like to speak in favor of this application?

619
00:50:55,420 --> 00:51:03,480
speak in favor. Anyone here would like to speak in favor? Third and final call in favor

620
00:51:03,480 --> 00:51:08,340
of this application. We'll go over to the other side now if there weren't anyone here

621
00:51:08,340 --> 00:51:13,760
that's against this application would like to speak. The lady up front here first, come

622
00:51:13,760 --> 00:51:18,260
up and give us your name and address your biggest horn and affirm. And then make sure you pull

623
00:51:18,260 --> 00:51:21,000
the mic down to where you can talk into it. There you go.

624
00:51:21,000 --> 00:51:22,560
Hi, my name is Kelly Ward.

625
00:51:22,780 --> 00:51:25,420
I live at 87 new farm court in Clayton, Delaware.

626
00:51:26,620 --> 00:51:29,920
Yes, do you swear I tell the truth, the hope, swear or affirm, to tell the truth, the

627
00:51:29,920 --> 00:51:31,120
hope, truth and nothing about the truth?

628
00:51:31,320 --> 00:51:31,960
I do.

629
00:51:32,520 --> 00:51:34,260
I live in White Tail Run.

630
00:51:34,780 --> 00:51:37,980
If you look at exhibit A, there's an injection from our HOA.

631
00:51:38,240 --> 00:51:41,580
I just wanted to point out, it represents 155 homes.

632
00:51:42,820 --> 00:51:45,700
My home, particularly, backs right up to this.

633
00:51:45,940 --> 00:51:48,580
You can see that arm there that kind of curves out.

634
00:51:48,600 --> 00:51:50,380
That's the cold to sack I live in.

635
00:51:50,380 --> 00:51:52,480
I can put your finger on that map, and you can just

636
00:51:52,480 --> 00:51:52,680
slide.

637
00:51:53,020 --> 00:51:55,420
You put the pointer where you live.

638
00:51:55,560 --> 00:51:56,420
That's where I live.

639
00:51:57,220 --> 00:52:01,500
So I can stand outside on my property, and I can see

640
00:52:01,500 --> 00:52:02,840
the farmers field currently.

641
00:52:03,400 --> 00:52:07,300
So there are some trees that are blocking that area,

642
00:52:07,540 --> 00:52:08,280
but they're very minimal.

643
00:52:08,740 --> 00:52:11,120
I understand that they're going to put it evergreen.

644
00:52:12,120 --> 00:52:13,980
So that will mediate that as well.

645
00:52:14,780 --> 00:52:17,680
But then I think it had recommended eight to ten foot

646
00:52:17,680 --> 00:52:21,260
I believe the gentleman in the engineer had said they were putting in seven foot fencing.

647
00:52:21,960 --> 00:52:25,440
There are a lot of deer, a lot of wildlife in this area.

648
00:52:26,600 --> 00:52:28,820
And as you know, deer jump pretty high.

649
00:52:29,420 --> 00:52:33,920
So I believe that is why the Generac recommendation was eight to ten feet. Again, seven feet.

650
00:52:34,440 --> 00:52:38,260
A deer could easily jump that and then they're trapped at that point inside of that fencing.

651
00:52:38,960 --> 00:52:43,120
What do we do? I think you mentioned there was one access point.

652
00:52:43,660 --> 00:52:45,680
So then what happens then?

653
00:52:46,680 --> 00:52:53,760
We also, the community I looked into, there are documented cases where depreciation and home value

654
00:52:53,760 --> 00:52:58,180
occurs when these solar projects are close to the homes.

655
00:52:58,240 --> 00:53:01,740
I know that they're reaching them set back and then some.

656
00:53:02,380 --> 00:53:03,400
But it is going to be visible.

657
00:53:03,700 --> 00:53:06,580
I live in a two-story home that backs right into this.

658
00:53:06,620 --> 00:53:10,660
So I'll look out my bedroom window and potentially see them because they're 15 feet high.

659
00:53:10,660 --> 00:53:16,480
And the ever-greens are only eight feet tall or at their highest, I believe he said.

660
00:53:17,260 --> 00:53:19,940
So again, I'm looking at my bedroom when you are seeing a solar farm.

661
00:53:20,460 --> 00:53:24,860
And then when they are tilted at a certain angle, is that clear now I'm going to shine into my home.

662
00:53:25,220 --> 00:53:31,680
So while I am in Delmarbo, a power, you know, subscriber, if I save 10% of my monthly bill,

663
00:53:32,320 --> 00:53:37,760
because of that solar farm, I'm now increasing my monthly bill because the glare is coming into my home, heating my home.

664
00:53:37,760 --> 00:53:41,560
So that was some of my personal things.

665
00:53:42,140 --> 00:53:47,180
Some of the other community concerns how to do with habitat loss and fragmentation.

666
00:53:47,540 --> 00:53:48,820
That's obviously going to happen.

667
00:53:49,220 --> 00:53:50,840
You're going to have polarized light pollution.

668
00:53:52,140 --> 00:53:56,360
There have been instances where migratory birds see the glare from these

669
00:53:56,360 --> 00:53:58,160
and they think that is water sources.

670
00:53:58,500 --> 00:54:02,970
So you're going to interrupt the migratory patterns potentially for some birds.

671
00:54:05,850 --> 00:54:08,770
I think that was all I had.

672
00:54:09,530 --> 00:54:10,830
Well, we thank you for your presentation.

673
00:54:11,150 --> 00:54:12,770
Anybody have any questions for this young lady?

674
00:54:13,670 --> 00:54:15,070
Thanks again for coming up to the mic.

675
00:54:15,210 --> 00:54:16,470
Yeah, thank you.

676
00:54:17,030 --> 00:54:18,610
I think there's another lady back there.

677
00:54:18,730 --> 00:54:19,410
We'd like to come up.

678
00:54:19,470 --> 00:54:20,130
Give us her name.

679
00:54:20,390 --> 00:54:21,950
She can be either sworn or a firm.

680
00:54:25,480 --> 00:54:27,060
My name is Maggie McMullen.

681
00:54:27,260 --> 00:54:31,300
My address is 2523 Shals Corner Road.

682
00:54:32,320 --> 00:54:33,120
In Clayton.

683
00:54:33,980 --> 00:54:35,420
Do you swear or a firm that testimony?

684
00:54:35,420 --> 00:54:38,000
you will give tonight is the truth, the whole truth and nothing about the truth?

685
00:54:38,500 --> 00:54:38,660
Yes.

686
00:54:41,540 --> 00:54:48,020
The gentleman said this is a community site, the people of the community, most of them are a lot

687
00:54:48,020 --> 00:54:48,840
of us are here.

688
00:54:49,100 --> 00:54:53,280
We are highly against this, we do not want to see anything like this in our area.

689
00:54:53,280 --> 00:54:59,940
The farmland that you are speaking of, the owner of that rents that out, I have le-

690
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:07,460
Live in that area for 27 and a half years, where I have raised my son and now my grandchildren.

691
00:55:09,560 --> 00:55:12,920
There, as the lady said, there is a lot of deer to go through there.

692
00:55:12,920 --> 00:55:15,960
They cut ray through all yards and everything else.

693
00:55:17,080 --> 00:55:21,240
There is multiple families that live on that road.

694
00:55:21,920 --> 00:55:26,120
So the children are walking to school. They're having to go buy that.

695
00:55:27,160 --> 00:55:38,940
I, for one, and one drain if this is a community thing, he said this, this, this, like this power, it's going to generate, it's going to go back to do more of a power.

696
00:55:39,640 --> 00:55:44,500
So if it's a community thing, then it shouldn't stay within the community.

697
00:55:45,300 --> 00:55:49,900
And shouldn't the people in the community decide whether they even want that, because I don't care.

698
00:55:49,900 --> 00:55:55,960
I don't care about spending an extra $50 a month to not have solar panels to see every time

699
00:55:55,960 --> 00:56:01,080
I ride up and down the road that I have lived on for 27 and a half years.

700
00:56:02,120 --> 00:56:03,280
There are terrible to see.

701
00:56:03,560 --> 00:56:05,840
There are many other places they could be.

702
00:56:06,580 --> 00:56:10,040
This land is formed every year since I have been there.

703
00:56:12,990 --> 00:56:17,250
And if these solar panels are moving, depending on how the light is, okay?

704
00:56:17,250 --> 00:56:21,110
So, when are they going to reflect them to people's eyes that are driving down the road?

705
00:56:22,270 --> 00:56:23,670
Helms that go and hit their eyes.

706
00:56:24,110 --> 00:56:28,450
Another thing, I have been told that these can catch on fire.

707
00:56:28,890 --> 00:56:31,470
There's no fire hydrogens close to that.

708
00:56:31,710 --> 00:56:37,750
As far as I know, chasel is smart and hardly do not have the equipment to put out a solar panel fire.

709
00:56:39,690 --> 00:56:44,830
And then another thing is the poll drivers that they will be driving into the ground,

710
00:56:44,830 --> 00:56:49,950
using to drive the polls into the ground are not going to be at his decimals that he's

711
00:56:49,950 --> 00:56:54,270
saying they're going to be a lot louder for those that live a lot closer and there's

712
00:56:54,270 --> 00:56:59,910
a lot of older people and there's a lot of people that have health problems including myself

713
00:57:00,810 --> 00:57:07,930
that I don't want to hear a bang and all that and see all that and there is a report

714
00:57:07,930 --> 00:57:16,330
at least supposed to be an eagle that lives on that area on that property and there's supposed

715
00:57:16,330 --> 00:57:22,090
to be an endangered plant as well on that property and another kind of animal I cannot

716
00:57:22,090 --> 00:57:28,590
remember this is you know things that we have all been looking at furthermore the property

717
00:57:28,590 --> 00:57:36,350
is own agricultural conservative conservation I'm sorry conservation each one of those

718
00:57:36,350 --> 00:57:42,910
properties have been sold, they are allowed to build on it, but anything build on it, which

719
00:57:42,910 --> 00:57:47,510
pertains to being anything on there must have a 412 pitch.

720
00:57:48,670 --> 00:57:55,830
That is in everybody that owns property on that road's deed from the original owner that

721
00:57:55,830 --> 00:57:56,570
sold them.

722
00:57:56,790 --> 00:57:58,570
I reached searched it, I checked.

723
00:57:59,070 --> 00:58:03,710
And yes, it is on that property too, because they buy or bought it from the same people

724
00:58:03,710 --> 00:58:06,490
that everybody else on that road bought it from.

725
00:58:08,120 --> 00:58:13,220
Just as there are not allowed to have mobile homes or travel trailers to be living in,

726
00:58:13,340 --> 00:58:14,800
they're not allowed to do that.

727
00:58:15,080 --> 00:58:21,340
Furthermore, cutting grass twice a year, pounds that allow, we're not allowed to do that

728
00:58:21,340 --> 00:58:22,180
out of our homes.

729
00:58:22,980 --> 00:58:24,800
Don't care if there's a fence around our property.

730
00:58:25,260 --> 00:58:31,660
There's still county guidelines that says it can't be a certain spot, certain height, I'm

731
00:58:31,660 --> 00:58:31,960
sorry.

732
00:58:33,100 --> 00:58:40,280
So, I, for one, am highly against this, I don't want to see more formal land wasted in

733
00:58:40,280 --> 00:58:40,620
Delaware.

734
00:58:41,300 --> 00:58:45,680
It's bad enough, every time you turn around, there's a spent land, they're putting a house on it.

735
00:58:45,920 --> 00:58:47,840
Now they're putting solar panels on them.

736
00:58:48,260 --> 00:58:53,200
And I have seen them, and if you want to see what solar panels look like, rust out, they do

737
00:58:53,200 --> 00:58:58,840
rust out, especially the older ones I had seen, they're a terrible site to see.

738
00:58:58,840 --> 00:59:03,100
All the stuff that had to be tear it out from under the ground to get rid of him as terrible.

739
00:59:03,340 --> 00:59:09,440
And how do I notice when I bought my home, the owner, I bought it from had solar panels in the ground.

740
00:59:09,580 --> 00:59:16,240
He was a German engineer that had bought the property and he put big solar panels there to help with his home.

741
00:59:16,400 --> 00:59:21,740
When they were removed, there was all kinds of piping and everything else all under that ground.

742
00:59:23,340 --> 00:59:27,960
So now, you know, we can't, nothing wants to really grow on it, even the grass doesn't want

743
00:59:27,960 --> 00:59:29,360
to grow right on it.

744
00:59:31,040 --> 00:59:35,580
And yes, I understand things are going more modern, they're better, but also the solar panels

745
00:59:35,580 --> 00:59:41,400
from what I read also have a powder that's on them, that when it's heated, there are new

746
00:59:41,400 --> 00:59:44,600
solar panel, it comes off, it can cause lung cancer.

747
00:59:51,180 --> 00:59:51,620
Thank you, man.

748
00:59:51,860 --> 00:59:52,140
Thank you.

749
00:59:52,380 --> 00:59:53,700
Thank you very much.

750
00:59:54,040 --> 00:59:54,980
Thank you for your comments.

751
00:59:55,240 --> 00:59:58,320
Is there anyone else here to like to speak against this application?

752
00:59:59,020 --> 00:59:59,960
Man, you can use it.

753
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:04,320
You can actually use this podium over here, unless you want to use the map.

754
01:00:08,640 --> 01:00:11,460
Give us your name and address, and you can be sworn or affirmed.

755
01:00:11,660 --> 01:00:14,580
Molly Tolbert, 2123, you shall as corner road.

756
01:00:17,380 --> 01:00:19,680
And I'll also wait for your name, please.

757
01:00:20,720 --> 01:00:23,840
Hi, I'm Katie Tolbert, 2123, shall as corner road.

758
01:00:24,480 --> 01:00:29,580
Great, thank you. Do you swear or affirm that the testimony will give tonight is the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth?

759
01:00:29,800 --> 01:00:30,260
Yes, sir.

760
01:00:30,600 --> 01:00:31,240
Thank you.

761
01:00:31,240 --> 01:00:37,520
I actually live in the house, one of the houses right across from the solar farm.

762
01:00:38,920 --> 01:00:42,320
I'm 19, a lot of people here have at least 20 years on me.

763
01:00:42,980 --> 01:00:45,000
And this is something that's extremely important to me.

764
01:00:45,100 --> 01:00:50,100
I moved with my family here in 2020 when I was 13 from South Philadelphia,

765
01:00:50,980 --> 01:00:56,100
which everybody knows very big difference between Philadelphia and little Clayton Delaware.

766
01:00:57,640 --> 01:01:03,100
And I'd never understood how big of an impact that moving here would have on me at 13 years old.

767
01:01:05,280 --> 01:01:09,120
I've witnessed 24 season changes across the road from me.

768
01:01:09,140 --> 01:01:15,460
I weigh that my omission neighbors as they ride by because their properties are on both sides of the solar farm.

769
01:01:16,080 --> 01:01:21,140
And he did mention that Delmarva customers have 10% or whatever it is.

770
01:01:21,620 --> 01:01:27,020
The English don't use electricity, how does it benefit them and they live on both sides of

771
01:01:27,020 --> 01:01:29,680
this solar farm that has no use to them?

772
01:01:30,540 --> 01:01:35,940
But everything that's going on has me mirilized that it's very easy to take for granted

773
01:01:35,940 --> 01:01:36,760
what you see every day.

774
01:01:36,880 --> 01:01:40,520
I watched the sunrise over the field and then I watched it set every day.

775
01:01:40,720 --> 01:01:45,200
I used to come out before school and I would wait for the bus and I would see deer across

776
01:01:45,200 --> 01:01:50,380
the street and one of my neighbors did mention animals we have endangered species.

777
01:01:50,380 --> 01:01:53,020
I've seen one or butterflies who are endangered.

778
01:01:54,280 --> 01:01:55,040
Try to call it bats.

779
01:01:55,320 --> 01:01:56,480
We see them almost every night.

780
01:01:56,640 --> 01:01:59,380
They're endangered deer like I said across the street.

781
01:01:59,540 --> 01:02:01,500
There's thousands of birds that live in those trees.

782
01:02:01,740 --> 01:02:05,100
I've seen bald eagles who are, you can't destroy their habitat.

783
01:02:08,280 --> 01:02:11,260
It's just that this isn't an isolated piece of property.

784
01:02:12,920 --> 01:02:16,660
The proposed development would be surrounded on all four sides of my houses and communities.

785
01:02:16,880 --> 01:02:18,400
There's at least three people across the street.

786
01:02:18,460 --> 01:02:19,680
There's me and two other people.

787
01:02:19,680 --> 01:02:23,140
So there's on the shelves on both sides of the solar farm and there's a whole community

788
01:02:23,140 --> 01:02:24,720
right behind it.

789
01:02:24,860 --> 01:02:32,020
And it's a big fire hazard, my dad will touch on that, but it's just the land, it's not

790
01:02:32,020 --> 01:02:32,320
vacant.

791
01:02:32,540 --> 01:02:33,000
It's farmland.

792
01:02:33,480 --> 01:02:37,960
All years I've been here, it's produced crops, and this proposal would just fundamentally

793
01:02:37,960 --> 01:02:40,600
destroy everything that I've watched these past six years.

794
01:02:41,400 --> 01:02:46,540
And another issue that I run into, I haven't dealt with in myself, but my mom has, is

795
01:02:46,540 --> 01:02:47,240
trust.

796
01:02:47,740 --> 01:02:51,780
Throughout the entirety of this process, a lot of us have been left with unanswered questions

797
01:02:51,780 --> 01:02:56,120
from these people and then a lot of information has been really difficult to obtain.

798
01:02:57,380 --> 01:03:02,660
When a project of this scale and this risk, which is very risky, is being proposed with

799
01:03:02,660 --> 01:03:06,440
indirect vicinity of people's homes, then transparency shouldn't be something that we have

800
01:03:06,440 --> 01:03:07,260
to fight for.

801
01:03:08,620 --> 01:03:13,320
They chose to build in a residential area and this is kind of what they have to deal with

802
01:03:13,320 --> 01:03:15,020
because we have to deal with these solar farms.

803
01:03:15,080 --> 01:03:16,660
Once they build that, that's it.

804
01:03:16,660 --> 01:03:17,720
They don't have to deal with it.

805
01:03:18,040 --> 01:03:20,700
Everybody else that lives on that road has to deal with that.

806
01:03:23,250 --> 01:03:25,030
But we can pursue renewable energy

807
01:03:25,030 --> 01:03:26,630
without believing that every piece of land

808
01:03:26,630 --> 01:03:27,950
is an acceptable sacrifice.

809
01:03:29,090 --> 01:03:31,270
There's hundreds of other locations in Delaware

810
01:03:31,270 --> 01:03:33,910
that they can build this on, that there are,

811
01:03:33,910 --> 01:03:36,350
and at least 50 people living on this road.

812
01:03:36,990 --> 01:03:38,470
They could build it anywhere else.

813
01:03:39,570 --> 01:03:41,750
Because I want people to take a look

814
01:03:41,750 --> 01:03:43,850
and consider the location and the farmland

815
01:03:43,850 --> 01:03:45,650
and the habitats that would be destroyed,

816
01:03:46,390 --> 01:03:49,210
and just consider what we can't replace

817
01:03:49,210 --> 01:03:50,270
once this land's gone.

818
01:03:52,110 --> 01:03:55,270
So I just would ask that you reject a proposal

819
01:03:55,270 --> 01:03:58,170
and respect the community and the habitats

820
01:03:58,170 --> 01:04:00,510
in the farmland because I want people

821
01:04:00,510 --> 01:04:02,470
to be able to enjoy what I've been able to enjoy

822
01:04:02,470 --> 01:04:04,690
for the past six years that come after me.

823
01:04:05,650 --> 01:04:06,270
Thank you.

824
01:04:07,470 --> 01:04:08,490
Are you very much?

825
01:04:16,810 --> 01:04:18,410
No, thanks a lot, Lizard.

826
01:04:20,050 --> 01:04:21,650
You have something to add, Mom?

827
01:04:22,010 --> 01:04:22,250
Yes.

828
01:04:22,530 --> 01:04:24,490
Yeah, I just want my husband here with me if you don't mind.

829
01:04:24,790 --> 01:04:25,110
Okay.

830
01:04:25,970 --> 01:04:28,270
If he speaks, remember, you've got five minutes.

831
01:04:28,310 --> 01:04:28,770
Yes, sir.

832
01:04:29,390 --> 01:04:30,290
My name's Mitch Tolbert.

833
01:04:30,470 --> 01:04:33,170
I live at 21-23 Shals Corner Road.

834
01:04:33,390 --> 01:04:35,550
Sir, do you swear or affirm the testimony you're giving?

835
01:04:35,570 --> 01:04:38,050
Tonight is the truth to hold truth and nothing but the truth?

836
01:04:38,330 --> 01:04:38,970
Yes, sir, I do.

837
01:04:39,190 --> 01:04:40,550
Thank you.

838
01:04:41,430 --> 01:04:44,570
And I wasn't going to get up here because I really didn't want to speak.

839
01:04:44,770 --> 01:04:46,350
I really don't want to be in this position.

840
01:04:46,350 --> 01:04:53,070
they put me in this position and I really feel like it's important for me to be here not only to

841
01:04:53,070 --> 01:04:59,950
fight for my property but to fight for my Amish neighbors who I think are honestly really for lack of a better

842
01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:14,280
We're being railroaded in this whole thing. It's honestly terrible. The proposal is terrible. What they're doing is terrible and how they're treating us is terrible. And the plan is a cute little plan, but this is what they gave us.

843
01:05:14,620 --> 01:05:27,140
And they failed to mention that there's all kinds of homes right around it. This is a landlock parcel with six or seven homes and woods on the other side.

844
01:05:29,600 --> 01:05:33,100
So basically, this would be what it would look like.

845
01:05:34,020 --> 01:05:39,420
So these are our homes, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8 over here.

846
01:05:39,920 --> 01:05:44,620
It's a gigantic fire hazard, literally four steps from my mailbox.

847
01:05:46,160 --> 01:05:47,620
And I've been researching this.

848
01:05:47,620 --> 01:05:50,500
I've done about 100 hours of research.

849
01:05:50,820 --> 01:05:55,780
I'm really ultimately trying to give them the benefit of it out and figure out what's really going on here.

850
01:05:55,780 --> 01:05:57,060
and this is what I found.

851
01:05:58,040 --> 01:05:59,700
Months have been spent collecting information

852
01:05:59,700 --> 01:06:01,920
and researching to inform our community

853
01:06:01,920 --> 01:06:04,120
of what is going on in a meaningful way.

854
01:06:04,400 --> 01:06:07,640
Quick facts, Delaware receives about 4.2 to 4.6

855
01:06:07,640 --> 01:06:09,220
on hours per day on average.

856
01:06:09,740 --> 01:06:10,900
Like most states in the Northeast,

857
01:06:11,160 --> 01:06:12,640
we have very long dark winners.

858
01:06:13,220 --> 01:06:15,120
We're act nationally for solar irradiance,

859
01:06:15,300 --> 01:06:18,180
which is their measure of the solar power of the panels.

860
01:06:18,680 --> 01:06:21,320
29 to 34 out of 50 states.

861
01:06:23,400 --> 01:06:25,360
What they're going to put there is 8,000,

862
01:06:25,360 --> 01:06:33,060
325 Genko panels made in Shanghai, China, which operated about 22% efficiency.

863
01:06:33,680 --> 01:06:37,480
My question to the leavey court would be, are these valid reasons for the destruction

864
01:06:37,480 --> 01:06:40,000
of irreplaceable prime farmland?

865
01:06:40,280 --> 01:06:44,080
And would you like this project 200 feet or less from your home?

866
01:06:45,440 --> 01:06:49,980
Preferred solar farm locations typically include brownfields, formal industrial sites,

867
01:06:49,980 --> 01:06:55,700
polluted parcels. Newcastle East, a solar farm that is almost operational, that is almost

868
01:06:55,700 --> 01:07:00,980
operational, is on polluted land, which is reasonable. This is not. Most commercial solar

869
01:07:00,980 --> 01:07:05,200
farms are located in wide open spaces with nothing around them, basically in the middle of

870
01:07:05,200 --> 01:07:10,540
nowhere, or near large businesses like rural farms. The parcel they seek is in a general,

871
01:07:10,540 --> 01:07:15,380
is a largely generational farming community, and landlocked on three sides by five to six

872
01:07:15,380 --> 01:07:20,720
other properties. Why? Show us, quote or wrote, is an easy money site for them. It's flat

873
01:07:20,720 --> 01:07:25,460
and has electric poles and lines already to go. They will also be allowed to access

874
01:07:26,040 --> 01:07:30,700
poles on adjacent properties via Delmarve of Power. These companies attempt to go through

875
01:07:30,700 --> 01:07:35,740
small town boards, expecting minimal resistance or neighbor input to get approved at that point

876
01:07:35,740 --> 01:07:40,460
it cannot be stopped. The goal is to reason the land for 50 plus years in their favor

877
01:07:40,460 --> 01:07:44,620
against the wishes of local residents, including those mere feet from the site.

878
01:07:44,620 --> 01:07:49,200
Ask yourself why, when nobody has bothered these places for decades and now solar companies

879
01:07:49,200 --> 01:07:53,860
are pulling into driveways, 10 trucks deep, trying to make land deals and obtain leases.

880
01:07:54,340 --> 01:07:55,540
It has been incentivized.

881
01:07:56,020 --> 01:08:00,200
Large solar companies in their project managers will only provide limited information to the

882
01:08:00,200 --> 01:08:00,560
public.

883
01:08:00,960 --> 01:08:03,300
Their goal is to act like this is no big thing.

884
01:08:04,360 --> 01:08:06,220
What they won't tell you about land leases.

885
01:08:06,600 --> 01:08:09,140
The claim we do not destroy farmland is untrue.

886
01:08:09,500 --> 01:08:13,980
The land will never be usable again or available for producing food in our lifetimes and possibly

887
01:08:13,980 --> 01:08:16,940
our childrens. The posts for the solar panels are piled

888
01:08:16,940 --> 01:08:20,620
driven anywhere from 4 to 13 feet into the ground all over the site.

889
01:08:21,180 --> 01:08:26,680
Most solar farm landlies have spent 50 years or more. This site will forever be locked into

890
01:08:26,680 --> 01:08:32,620
a complex corporate contract with a big company with zero ties to our area and our way of life.

891
01:08:33,140 --> 01:08:36,720
If the current landowner wants to sell, the lease has to go with it.

892
01:08:37,060 --> 01:08:41,480
With residential solar companies going bankrupt in record numbers, this is a serious concern.

893
01:08:41,480 --> 01:08:44,440
It may take years with commercial solar can follow.

894
01:08:45,080 --> 01:08:49,020
Out of state and possibly foreign companies will become operational feet from our homes

895
01:08:49,020 --> 01:08:51,120
and on our road if there is no pushback.

896
01:08:51,520 --> 01:08:56,140
Solar power, solar panels, loose power, and can leak into the ground over time with our

897
01:08:56,140 --> 01:08:57,840
wells located not far away.

898
01:08:58,300 --> 01:09:02,820
Solar farms also create a potentially catastrophic fire hazard for the area simply by their

899
01:09:02,820 --> 01:09:03,200
presence.

900
01:09:03,580 --> 01:09:06,920
The land will be out of commission for decades and there is a very good chance these

901
01:09:06,920 --> 01:09:10,840
companies can become in solvent down the line and who do we deal with then?

902
01:09:10,840 --> 01:09:18,680
Residents, Amish, have sought to purchase it to continue farming, but are being iced out in favor of big developers.

903
01:09:19,440 --> 01:09:24,960
Standard solar is owned by Brookfield Renewable, a major global Renewable Energy Platform.

904
01:09:25,580 --> 01:09:32,140
They create various LLCs for each solar project, making it very hard to understand their ownership structure.

905
01:09:33,180 --> 01:09:34,140
Our concerns.

906
01:09:34,660 --> 01:09:38,840
Our road in homes will now become an active construction zone for six plus months.

907
01:09:39,000 --> 01:09:43,120
They said it would be non-invasive, and possibly longer due to delays in bed weather.

908
01:09:43,260 --> 01:09:47,120
With piles driving lasting four plus weeks or more, with the same delays noted above.

909
01:09:47,600 --> 01:09:50,720
The noise alone will be a major interference to everyone around it.

910
01:09:51,020 --> 01:09:54,120
Shaw's Quener Road has many neighbors, including those who are elderly,

911
01:09:54,460 --> 01:09:55,540
homage, first responders.

912
01:09:56,320 --> 01:09:58,860
Night shift workers have chronic illnesses, et cetera.

913
01:09:59,260 --> 01:09:59,940
Most of us live here.

914
01:10:00,000 --> 01:10:06,140
For the why of beauty and quaint way of life, our community provides. Our wildlife and pets. Please keep in mind

915
01:10:06,140 --> 01:10:13,540
our own pets in local wildlife. We do not know or fully understand their level of hearing or perception and can only imagine what this will do to them.

916
01:10:14,240 --> 01:10:20,700
Federally protected, boldly goes in danger, try color bats and almost extinct monarch butterflies were all found on site.

917
01:10:21,120 --> 01:10:28,740
But dismiss is being an honest issue and will not stop the job. The site will have high chain link fence to protect the soul or infrastructure.

918
01:10:29,420 --> 01:10:35,320
Decimating local ecosystems habitats and animal populations with continuous use of herbicides to purposely

919
01:10:35,320 --> 01:10:39,480
wipe out everything below the panels in order to protect their investment at all costs.

920
01:10:39,640 --> 01:10:41,860
Man, are you about done? You're five minutes is up.

921
01:10:42,080 --> 01:10:45,240
Oh, um, yes.

922
01:10:45,500 --> 01:10:46,940
I know I'll be putting that to you.

923
01:10:47,320 --> 01:10:51,880
Yeah. Sorry. If you have, like I said, your five minutes is up, so I'd have to hold you to that.

924
01:10:52,060 --> 01:10:52,300
Okay.

925
01:10:52,560 --> 01:10:55,660
Unless he wants to say something, he can have five minutes, too.

926
01:10:55,900 --> 01:10:58,240
Yeah, I went on a little longer than I thought. Thank you.

927
01:11:01,840 --> 01:11:02,800
Thank you.

928
01:11:02,980 --> 01:11:06,140
Sorry I had to stop her with you understand with the five minutes how it is.

929
01:11:06,300 --> 01:11:07,040
You can please understand.

930
01:11:07,340 --> 01:11:08,080
So go right ahead.

931
01:11:08,460 --> 01:11:10,040
You have five minutes starting now.

932
01:11:10,500 --> 01:11:17,280
So in 2019 I were her returned home from the Middle East and wanted to find a better life.

933
01:11:17,880 --> 01:11:19,420
I wanted to get my family out of the city.

934
01:11:20,240 --> 01:11:25,500
We searched and searched and we found this house and fell in love with everything about it.

935
01:11:25,500 --> 01:11:31,360
The neighbors of the best I've ever had, the peace and quiet for my family and myself, is,

936
01:11:31,900 --> 01:11:39,160
it can't be measured. I'm about to leave again and be gone for six plus months to leave my family

937
01:11:39,160 --> 01:11:45,120
behind to have to deal with this mess. To touch on what my daughter said about the fire hazard,

938
01:11:46,140 --> 01:11:52,140
solar fires, EV fires, anything to do with that are extremely dangerous. The only response that we have

939
01:11:52,800 --> 01:11:58,020
is hardly has a 2,500 gallon tanker and Smurma has a 6,000 gallon tanker.

940
01:11:58,560 --> 01:12:05,360
8,500 gallons from a 2,000 gallon per minute deck gun off an engine gives you 4.25 minutes of firefighting.

941
01:12:05,760 --> 01:12:12,540
How are they going to fill those tankers? There is no local water source close enough to get those trucks back and forth in any amount of time.

942
01:12:13,060 --> 01:12:15,800
Before they can even touch that fire, the power has to be secured.

943
01:12:15,800 --> 01:12:21,020
So what's the more of us response time to shut the power down so we can actually put water on a fire?

944
01:12:22,540 --> 01:12:27,620
For context, I'm a firefighter with the 166 airlift wing in Newcastle County.

945
01:12:28,360 --> 01:12:30,840
Been doing that for quite some time and love every bit of it.

946
01:12:32,060 --> 01:12:38,940
So that is a major concern to me between smoke hazards, electric hazards, and water to the site if needed.

947
01:12:40,360 --> 01:12:45,200
Now one of the things that really upset me is when my wife had a meeting with him on our front porch

948
01:12:45,200 --> 01:12:50,680
and she was emotional at the end of it, she told him we will fight it, and the response

949
01:12:50,680 --> 01:12:54,960
was you're dealing with billion dollar companies here and while you can try, you can't win.

950
01:12:55,680 --> 01:13:01,320
Well, I spent a life of service. I'm 16 years in the military, back and forth between the army

951
01:13:01,320 --> 01:13:06,420
and the Air Force. So I'm going to do what I'm trying to do, and for myself, for my family,

952
01:13:06,740 --> 01:13:10,360
and my neighbors. I'm going to fight this. That's all I have to say.

953
01:13:13,630 --> 01:13:14,850
Thank you, Sarah, and we certainly

954
01:13:14,850 --> 01:13:21,210
Thank you for your service. I appreciate that very much because Mr. Davis and myself are both firefighters

955
01:13:21,210 --> 01:13:28,810
And we'd better Rick and me with the felt and fire companies. Thank you for your Mr. Mill. I think Mr. Mills has something he wants to ask you. Yes, sir.

956
01:13:28,810 --> 01:13:37,450
Yeah, I've read an article about green these articles on a solar panels and it was one and I think it was in Texas. Somebody's where it calls are

957
01:13:38,170 --> 01:13:42,330
And it was so toxic they couldn't get it put out. So I'm just wondering when going back

958
01:13:42,330 --> 01:13:49,530
do the solar panel people they ask a question to them. What's the danger of these solar panels

959
01:13:49,530 --> 01:13:57,170
catching far and they put in all toxic streams? Thank you sir. Appreciate your comments.

960
01:13:57,850 --> 01:13:59,650
Appreciate it.

961
01:14:02,150 --> 01:14:06,070
Mr. Garvey, you want to say something to this gentleman or can he sit down?

962
01:14:06,650 --> 01:14:14,050
Actually, yes, it's not an opposition. I actually, I appreciate your family's commitment

963
01:14:14,050 --> 01:14:19,190
who's standing up for what you believe in and making the presentations that you've made.

964
01:14:20,050 --> 01:14:23,270
And I also respect your service having served myself too.

965
01:14:23,870 --> 01:14:29,370
I just want to point out something that one of the things that I think sometimes gets overlooked

966
01:14:30,130 --> 01:14:37,330
is that the bigger part of your problem here and when you're talking about fighting it is your art legislators.

967
01:14:38,010 --> 01:14:39,210
We're not legislators.

968
01:14:40,150 --> 01:14:46,390
We can only make a decision based on codes and whether it conforms to them or doesn't

969
01:14:46,390 --> 01:14:47,130
conform to them.

970
01:14:47,450 --> 01:14:52,370
Sometimes we get a little bit of latitude of working the edges and the fringes of some of these

971
01:14:52,370 --> 01:14:53,430
issues other than that.

972
01:14:53,710 --> 01:14:54,630
Sometimes our hands are tied.

973
01:14:55,290 --> 01:14:59,950
But it's the legislative body that makes a lot of this.

974
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:18,800
That you're arguing about tonight possible. And the one thing that I just want to bring to your attention is that three days ago, our governor of the state, but forth the proposal happened to a solar. And in that proposal, they were advocating for more community solar projects.

975
01:15:19,220 --> 01:15:25,800
They were advocating for batteries that would be put on homes and solar panels to be put on roofs.

976
01:15:25,800 --> 01:15:32,280
So, this is a legislative body of this state that is actually going in both feet on this thing.

977
01:15:32,740 --> 01:15:38,220
And that ties our hands when it comes to anything that we might be able to do to mitigate these things.

978
01:15:38,260 --> 01:15:45,000
So, when you're looking at where the battle lies, it isn't actually with us, we do the best we can.

979
01:15:45,140 --> 01:15:46,560
The battle lies with our legislators.

980
01:15:47,260 --> 01:15:47,780
Yes, sir.

981
01:15:47,780 --> 01:15:48,060
Thank you.

982
01:15:48,180 --> 01:15:49,640
And thank you for your service, sir.

983
01:15:51,180 --> 01:15:51,720
Thank you again.

984
01:15:51,940 --> 01:15:52,600
Thank you.

985
01:15:52,600 --> 01:15:55,820
Is anybody else here, but like to speak against this project?

986
01:15:56,580 --> 01:15:59,920
We already have a lot of letters on file here from a lot of people.

987
01:16:00,540 --> 01:16:03,180
So we already know how much dissent there is or that.

988
01:16:03,620 --> 01:16:05,460
I think there's a gentleman back here that probably

989
01:16:05,460 --> 01:16:07,740
needs no introduction, but he's going to come up.

990
01:16:08,200 --> 01:16:09,040
He probably wants to talk.

991
01:16:09,460 --> 01:16:11,380
Sir, I got my in over here first.

992
01:16:13,400 --> 01:16:14,920
Come on up, come on up, Dave.

993
01:16:16,460 --> 01:16:17,340
Yeah, come on up, Dave.

994
01:16:21,560 --> 01:16:23,480
OK, give us your name and address and you'll

995
01:16:23,480 --> 01:16:24,640
be sworn or firm.

996
01:16:24,640 --> 01:16:31,500
My name is Selby Gravener. I live at the 26-22 Sholes Corner Road.

997
01:16:32,680 --> 01:16:39,180
Sir, I'm just one minute. Sir, do you swear or firm that the testimony you're about to give is the truth?

998
01:16:39,360 --> 01:16:40,580
The whole truth and nothing about the truth.

999
01:16:40,920 --> 01:16:43,240
Why would I be here if I wasn't going on to?

1000
01:16:43,400 --> 01:16:44,140
Thank you.

1001
01:16:47,120 --> 01:16:52,160
I've been here before, not in front of you folks, but in front of the Levy Court.

1002
01:16:52,160 --> 01:17:00,300
And, well, Brooks Banner, you know, he was a great man, he helped us a lot.

1003
01:17:01,400 --> 01:17:09,880
All this gray area you see here, if it wouldn't for Brooks, that would be full of houses.

1004
01:17:11,220 --> 01:17:16,040
There would have been over 300 houses in that gray area right there.

1005
01:17:16,040 --> 01:17:24,780
At the end of the year line, I live five blocks up, and that's my property,

1006
01:17:26,920 --> 01:17:42,620
and Norman Miller, he lives right there, and is never used on the other side of the line, we've got a nice road for families.

1007
01:17:43,320 --> 01:17:50,120
and you've got to keep in mind is only a one-layer road and there's going to be a

1008
01:17:50,120 --> 01:17:58,480
lot of traffic bringing pieces into this stuff and who's going to fix the road

1009
01:17:58,480 --> 01:18:06,760
you know after you know everything could possibly be torn up. It a pretty good

1010
01:18:09,340 --> 01:18:19,800
And that was one reason why we didn't want the development in there, because nobody was saying anything by fixing a road.

1011
01:18:21,220 --> 01:18:31,260
They're one in the plan. And you've got to keep in mind, too, that we don't have a water on Charleston road.

1012
01:18:32,460 --> 01:18:40,000
And that was another reason why the development got shut down because they weren't allowed

1013
01:18:40,000 --> 01:18:44,660
to go down into the aquifer that was 300 feet deep.

1014
01:18:45,100 --> 01:18:47,440
They were only allowed to go down 90 feet.

1015
01:18:48,960 --> 01:18:53,020
And then we also didn't have a place for the sewage.

1016
01:18:53,820 --> 01:18:59,460
And that's where that deep well injection come from when they started talking about putting

1017
01:18:59,460 --> 01:19:04,840
development there. And I'm sure you all know what deep well injection is.

1018
01:19:06,680 --> 01:19:12,120
It's a very question about that. Deep well injections were they just drilled two

1019
01:19:12,120 --> 01:19:20,640
holes, 3,000 feet deep. And when you flush, that's where it goes. And we didn't

1020
01:19:20,640 --> 01:19:27,300
want that on our road. And because what about the underground water? You know, nobody was

1021
01:19:27,300 --> 01:19:33,740
about it. And they've tried to tear sholes corn and rode up more than once.

1022
01:19:36,340 --> 01:19:37,120
And everybody

1023
01:19:37,120 --> 01:19:45,220
along there has nice properties and has nice families. And we're lucky enough to have

1024
01:19:45,220 --> 01:19:54,520
some extremely nice homage people live on our road. And you know, I just, you know, I

1025
01:19:54,520 --> 01:19:57,200
No Dave, it owns the ground.

1026
01:19:58,260 --> 01:19:59,120
Day by alert.

1027
01:19:59,800 --> 01:19:59,880
Yeah.

1028
01:20:00,000 --> 01:20:07,800
He's a wonderful man. He's a religious man. He's a wonderful man. And I'm not going to hate him if this goes through.

1029
01:20:09,120 --> 01:20:20,620
But I'm not going to like him a lot either. But you know, Dave, you know, I understand why he wants to do it, because he's looking at for his family.

1030
01:20:20,620 --> 01:20:46,920
And he needs the money first, Faber, and, you know, I wish Dave the best, and we need to stop and think about this on a family road, a one-layer road, and, you know, we need to do here, and so it's a proper thing to do.

1031
01:20:48,820 --> 01:20:54,020
So, I got to say thank you, sir, for your comments, appreciate your presentation.

1032
01:20:57,890 --> 01:21:01,550
Sir, come on up and give us your name and address and you can be sworn or affirmed.

1033
01:21:02,030 --> 01:21:07,490
I'm Senator Dave Losson, my address is 2257, let's fill Road, Mayor Del Delaware.

1034
01:21:08,410 --> 01:21:10,730
Senator, do you swear or affirm that the truth you are?

1035
01:21:10,990 --> 01:21:14,610
The testimony you're about to give tonight is the truth, the whole truth and nothing about the truth.

1036
01:21:14,910 --> 01:21:15,130
I do.

1037
01:21:16,650 --> 01:21:25,290
I appreciate you opportunity to address this committee. It is really good to see faces that I know and have known for decades.

1038
01:21:25,890 --> 01:21:31,470
Sarah, how are you? It's a shame it's come to this.

1039
01:21:33,600 --> 01:21:42,300
But solar can exist without subsidies. If you'll ask these folks, how they're subsidized, you'll find that there's some kind of subsidy from government,

1040
01:21:43,200 --> 01:21:52,180
that is helping build this. Solar cannot, wind cannot exist without government assistance.

1041
01:21:54,670 --> 01:22:01,130
As far as the life of the project, I don't know how long the last but so far what I've heard and seen and read,

1042
01:22:01,690 --> 01:22:08,310
is the life expectancy is about 25 to 30 years into the panel's breakdown. They reach into the soil.

1043
01:22:08,310 --> 01:22:18,030
they destroy the soil to the point that nothing that grows on there can be consumed and that may include sheep, I don't know.

1044
01:22:18,670 --> 01:22:29,930
I haven't seen that study, but Pennsylvania State University, or Penn State, put this out in quite a study as so did one of the North Carolina universities.

1045
01:22:35,330 --> 01:22:39,270
It's a very picturesque road.

1046
01:22:42,010 --> 01:22:52,550
The other places are quite well kept, and when you ride down Saw's Corner Road, it depicts Delaware.

1047
01:22:54,170 --> 01:23:00,290
Solar rays, and I hate to call them farms because they don't grow a darn thing, solar

1048
01:23:00,290 --> 01:23:01,730
rays don't help.

1049
01:23:03,720 --> 01:23:05,280
They don't maintain Delaware.

1050
01:23:05,900 --> 01:23:07,140
They destroy Delaware.

1051
01:23:07,800 --> 01:23:12,580
And they destroy the land under them, they destroy the neighborhood around them, and particularly

1052
01:23:12,580 --> 01:23:18,020
if they're the tilting time, as they said they are, that reflection is going to hit

1053
01:23:18,020 --> 01:23:20,100
these homes nearby sooner or later.

1054
01:23:20,380 --> 01:23:21,000
It must.

1055
01:23:21,280 --> 01:23:22,260
There's no other way.

1056
01:23:24,160 --> 01:23:26,280
It's under four megawatts.

1057
01:23:28,900 --> 01:23:30,600
That's not a lot of electricity.

1058
01:23:33,150 --> 01:23:33,770
Truly isn't.

1059
01:23:33,950 --> 01:23:35,690
And it's going back into the grid.

1060
01:23:35,690 --> 01:23:42,830
It goes back into PMJ, or PMJ, I think it's called, and then we buy it back from them

1061
01:23:42,830 --> 01:23:44,770
through DPNL.

1062
01:23:46,620 --> 01:23:48,380
It's generated here.

1063
01:23:49,560 --> 01:23:53,200
And if you apply, you might get a 10% reduction in your bill,

1064
01:23:55,340 --> 01:23:57,640
but the long term, the

1065
01:23:57,640 --> 01:24:03,260
Costco higher and higher, because guess who's subsidizing, there's subsidies, we

1066
01:24:03,260 --> 01:24:10,180
the taxpayers, all of us are. That's not, I mean, that's stealing from one pocket and

1067
01:24:10,180 --> 01:24:15,200
shoving in in the other, but it's not your pocket. It's coming out of the people's pockets.

1068
01:24:18,180 --> 01:24:26,920
I disagree with having this here. It is in a tranquil, very, very picturesque area, as I said,

1069
01:24:27,680 --> 01:24:32,980
and there's no need to show these kind of things down the throats of the neighbors.

1070
01:24:35,510 --> 01:24:35,630
One more

1071
01:24:35,630 --> 01:24:37,010
thing about the construction.

1072
01:24:39,390 --> 01:24:41,650
I'll miss kids walk on that road to go to school.

1073
01:24:43,410 --> 01:24:46,010
There's going to be heavy equipment coming back and forth through there.

1074
01:24:47,210 --> 01:24:50,130
There's horse and buggies on that road. Heavy equipment back and forth.

1075
01:24:50,630 --> 01:24:53,850
If you see when a tractor and trailer does to a horse and buggie,

1076
01:24:56,260 --> 01:24:58,360
or a truck are a car for that matter.

1077
01:25:00,690 --> 01:25:12,010
This does not need to be here. It shouldn't be here, and I respectfully ask it to turn down this application for those reasons. I thank you all very much.

1078
01:25:15,670 --> 01:25:19,030
Thank you Senator for being here. Thank you for your comments.

1079
01:25:19,910 --> 01:25:21,910
I think Denise has a question for Sarah.

1080
01:25:25,070 --> 01:25:36,350
When I think something that's been said is incorrect, I feel upset if I don't try to find out if I'm correct and saying it's wrong.

1081
01:25:36,870 --> 01:25:46,850
So Sarah, I have a question for you with regards to the soil testing. Is it the soil testing every five years to ensure that there's no danger to the soil occurring?

1082
01:25:47,570 --> 01:25:54,190
It certainly is to track whether or not there's any impact and then if there is then mitigating that impact.

1083
01:25:54,430 --> 01:25:55,330
That's the intent.

1084
01:25:56,110 --> 01:25:57,410
I guess.

1085
01:26:01,520 --> 01:26:06,240
Is there anyone else here would like to speak at the mic and opposition to this application?

1086
01:26:08,280 --> 01:26:08,820
Come right on.

1087
01:26:09,020 --> 01:26:10,880
Give this your name and address.

1088
01:26:12,060 --> 01:26:13,960
You could be sworn or affirmed.

1089
01:26:15,560 --> 01:26:23,360
Hello, my name is Eileen Talley, and this is my husband Cabin Talley. We live at 2, 5, 9, 3 shows, corner road.

1090
01:26:24,340 --> 01:26:31,560
We have lived here for one moment actions. Do you swear or firm that the testimony will give tonight is the truth, the whole truth and nothing about the truth?

1091
01:26:31,700 --> 01:26:32,240
I do.

1092
01:26:32,540 --> 01:26:33,560
Thank you.

1093
01:26:34,320 --> 01:26:34,720
Good evening.

1094
01:26:35,300 --> 01:26:38,660
I have lived here. We have lived here for 15 years now.

1095
01:26:38,760 --> 01:26:44,780
We are both a small business owner and a small farmer who reside on shows.

1096
01:26:44,780 --> 01:26:49,060
We oppose the proposed solar farm on our country road.

1097
01:26:49,660 --> 01:26:52,160
We were kept in the dark on this project.

1098
01:26:52,840 --> 01:26:56,100
It has been happening since apparently 2022.

1099
01:26:56,880 --> 01:27:01,000
I feel that that is very undemocratic and is a portrayal

1100
01:27:01,000 --> 01:27:02,860
of all of us, all of our neighbors.

1101
01:27:04,020 --> 01:27:06,600
I'm not really privy to all of the zoning,

1102
01:27:07,400 --> 01:27:10,940
but I understand that I guess there was conditional use.

1103
01:27:11,000 --> 01:27:12,820
That was applied here.

1104
01:27:12,820 --> 01:27:21,540
Because Kent County rules prohibit utility scale of solar farms, which I'm not really sure if this is considered a small scale solar project.

1105
01:27:21,900 --> 01:27:25,940
I'm not very familiar with community scale projects, under strict limits.

1106
01:27:27,520 --> 01:27:31,620
But it does not align with agricultural preservation goals or restrictions.

1107
01:27:33,220 --> 01:27:38,300
The public notices were put up on August 18 on very small signs.

1108
01:27:38,300 --> 01:27:44,020
So I'm sure there would have been many more people here tonight, but we were just not giving out a put notice.

1109
01:27:44,600 --> 01:27:48,300
The only way we knew was by Mr. Torbett putting stuff in our mailboxes.

1110
01:27:49,760 --> 01:27:51,100
And that was way as weak.

1111
01:27:51,740 --> 01:27:55,120
I'm sure that's big solors intent as to not get any push back.

1112
01:27:55,720 --> 01:28:02,320
They're taking our water, our air, farmland, wildlife, and natural resources at what cost to our neighbors.

1113
01:28:02,760 --> 01:28:06,920
While big solar caches in, we the people of Charles Corner will suffer.

1114
01:28:06,920 --> 01:28:12,160
be trade Delaware communities are being hunted for our land, the same industries that

1115
01:28:12,160 --> 01:28:16,820
poison our air, threaten our water, and treat our communities like sacrifice zones.

1116
01:28:17,100 --> 01:28:20,720
They extract the land, poison the water, and take our electricity.

1117
01:28:22,820 --> 01:28:28,980
You kind of hit that there's a benefit of 10% to us that means nothing.

1118
01:28:29,560 --> 01:28:33,080
When will we stand up and say enough is enough with these projects?

1119
01:28:33,080 --> 01:28:38,500
The environmental impacts and health concerns of critical materials like heavy metals

1120
01:28:38,500 --> 01:28:44,420
leaching into the ground potentially making the land non-farmable indefinitely while

1121
01:28:44,420 --> 01:28:49,380
life displacement, dangers of the schools children walking on the road to school, groundwater

1122
01:28:49,380 --> 01:28:56,540
depletion, the solar power irrigation and contamination of our well-waters, our property values

1123
01:28:56,540 --> 01:29:02,380
will be affected by this. We moved here for peace and this is a direct violation of our rights

1124
01:29:02,380 --> 01:29:04,700
to live on Shawl's corner peacefully.

1125
01:29:07,100 --> 01:29:09,120
We don't know anything about the impact studies

1126
01:29:09,120 --> 01:29:11,840
that have been done, the rush to the processes,

1127
01:29:12,500 --> 01:29:15,980
the court, the politicians, they divide communities,

1128
01:29:16,380 --> 01:29:18,020
they probably are gonna promise jobs,

1129
01:29:18,560 --> 01:29:21,620
downplay pollution, and dismiss us residents.

1130
01:29:22,360 --> 01:29:24,180
They tell us maybe it's a done deal,

1131
01:29:24,320 --> 01:29:26,400
and expect us to be grateful for whatever damage

1132
01:29:26,400 --> 01:29:27,660
they lead behind.

1133
01:29:28,040 --> 01:29:30,940
They want us and our local governments out of the way.

1134
01:29:30,940 --> 01:29:38,820
This is the future of our land, not just Steve Bylers, we are fighting for it affects all of the residents of Shaw's corner.

1135
01:29:39,220 --> 01:29:41,200
We live here, not big solar.

1136
01:29:42,640 --> 01:29:49,080
I respectfully and prayerfully urge for you to reject the proposed solar farm on our country road.

1137
01:29:51,430 --> 01:29:52,490
Thank you, ma'am.

1138
01:29:54,480 --> 01:29:57,240
Sir, if you want to say something to you, you want to be sworn in?

1139
01:29:57,300 --> 01:29:57,640
Yes.

1140
01:29:58,700 --> 01:29:59,900
He was sworn in same time.

1141
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:05,480
Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Okay. We'll go right ahead in five minutes. I'm here today to speak from my

1142
01:30:05,480 --> 01:30:12,640
office neighbors, mostly to be their voice. I don't think that these guys understand the road we live on

1143
01:30:12,640 --> 01:30:20,000
has approximately 30 homes on our road. As far as I know, our road is one of the only roads in our

1144
01:30:20,000 --> 01:30:25,840
area that has Del Marba power, other than the lady that spoke from way till run. Everybody else around

1145
01:30:25,840 --> 01:30:33,320
community as the co-op. So we're talking about maybe a couple hundred homes that would, you know,

1146
01:30:33,420 --> 01:30:39,240
affect this, you know, community solar thing. And like I said on our road 30 of their starting

1147
01:30:39,240 --> 01:30:46,280
homes and 15 of them homes are omnis which do not use power. So this community thing that says this

1148
01:30:46,280 --> 01:30:54,720
is putting power back to the community, it's not helping us and our situation on our road. It's a shame

1149
01:30:54,720 --> 01:30:58,360
that they try to take all this farm land that's good for our land.

1150
01:30:58,960 --> 01:31:01,240
I'm a farmer that raises beef cows.

1151
01:31:02,400 --> 01:31:07,000
I know you say that they do soil samples every five years to check.

1152
01:31:07,440 --> 01:31:11,900
My question is, how far are we checking in the ground with these soil samples?

1153
01:31:12,040 --> 01:31:16,720
Most of our wells on our road are less than a hundred feet deep.

1154
01:31:16,720 --> 01:31:24,560
So, we're not checking our soil at or level of our well or our aquifers to see if we have contamination.

1155
01:31:26,180 --> 01:31:31,860
Not sure what that process is or how far we go in the ground for these soil samples.

1156
01:31:32,880 --> 01:31:38,760
But I would assure you that they're not deep enough to figure out how if our contamination is going into our aquifers.

1157
01:31:39,920 --> 01:31:44,780
We're talking about having sheep on this land to manage it.

1158
01:31:45,360 --> 01:31:47,060
Like I said, I raised beef cows.

1159
01:31:47,340 --> 01:31:48,440
We eat that product.

1160
01:31:48,620 --> 01:31:50,580
Everybody here, eats my beef.

1161
01:31:51,340 --> 01:31:53,700
I don't know if that water that those cows are drinking

1162
01:31:53,700 --> 01:31:56,080
is contaminated from this solar farm.

1163
01:31:57,320 --> 01:31:59,940
So we definitely, this is something

1164
01:31:59,940 --> 01:32:02,360
that we do not want or need on our route.

1165
01:32:02,580 --> 01:32:03,640
Thank you for your time.

1166
01:32:04,240 --> 01:32:05,160
Thank you for your presentation.

1167
01:32:05,700 --> 01:32:06,220
Thank you, sir.

1168
01:32:09,620 --> 01:32:11,480
I'd like to ask a show of hands.

1169
01:32:11,760 --> 01:32:13,480
How many people here are actually opposed

1170
01:32:13,480 --> 01:32:14,320
to this application?

1171
01:32:14,500 --> 01:32:15,280
Could release your hands?

1172
01:32:17,900 --> 01:32:24,300
Thank you all for not coming to Mike. I appreciate that because I know a lot of people are saying the same thing and I appreciate that too

1173
01:32:24,800 --> 01:32:32,380
And I usually ask for a spokesman if the group is but if there's anybody else would like to come to the Mike and speak their opposition to this plan

1174
01:32:32,380 --> 01:32:34,280
You're certainly welcome to

1175
01:32:34,280 --> 01:32:43,240
We understand now that you are opposed and all like that and we understand from a number of opposition letters. We also understand that too

1176
01:32:43,240 --> 01:32:48,160
So if there's nobody else, I ask one more time anybody nobody's come on to phone how they mark

1177
01:32:49,320 --> 01:32:55,780
That's correct Mr. Chair. I'm still no members from the general public online. This is a last call. Is anybody else here like to speak?

1178
01:33:01,570 --> 01:33:04,850
Deborah Calendrello 49 new phone call it

1179
01:33:05,670 --> 01:33:06,110
Clayton

1180
01:33:06,110 --> 01:33:11,530
Do you swear or firm the testimony you're about to provide is the truth the whole truth and nothing about the truth? I do

1181
01:33:11,530 --> 01:33:12,630
Thank you

1182
01:33:12,630 --> 01:33:14,810
all right. I have a question all these

1183
01:33:14,810 --> 01:33:21,410
these solar panels. I guarantee you that they're going to come up with some kind of

1184
01:33:21,410 --> 01:33:27,430
pollution in the air, some kind of toxins. You shake your head, no, but nobody's done really

1185
01:33:27,430 --> 01:33:33,790
a lot of research on this stuff. You know, that the toxins in the air is going to affect

1186
01:33:33,790 --> 01:33:42,510
everybody. And I can't, I can't believe that you're going to all say, yes, to this.

1187
01:33:44,530 --> 01:33:45,250
It's just

1188
01:33:45,250 --> 01:33:49,350
everybody's health is going to be, whether it's five years down the line or ten down, ten

1189
01:33:49,350 --> 01:33:55,410
years down the line. People are going to be affected by these chemicals that these panels are

1190
01:33:55,410 --> 01:34:00,830
going to give off. And that's all I have to say. Thank you, ma'am. Thank your presentation.

1191
01:34:04,780 --> 01:34:09,600
seeing and I have no more anybody else this this is the last call no

1192
01:34:14,240 --> 01:34:15,220
I'm sorry you can

1193
01:34:15,220 --> 01:34:20,800
have me already spoken yeah but I can't come back up to the mic I can't allow that

1194
01:34:21,980 --> 01:34:30,620
now I can't allow that man I'm asking you sit down please thank you thank you for

1195
01:34:30,620 --> 01:34:37,640
respecting it one last call and then we're gonna go move on seeing no more hands I thank

1196
01:34:37,640 --> 01:34:43,880
you all for your comments and everything like that, and we'll be taking this up next week.

1197
01:34:53,330 --> 01:34:56,910
We're now down to any more public comment for anything.

1198
01:34:58,510 --> 01:34:59,890
Seeing none, I'll go for commissioner.

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01:35:00,000 --> 01:35:01,660
Does any commissioners have any comments?

1200
01:35:02,940 --> 01:35:04,520
Yes, Paul Davis.

1201
01:35:05,400 --> 01:35:13,020
Dr. Kiefer would be honored to present to us the new attorney we had tonight, the one that he is.

1202
01:35:13,300 --> 01:35:13,740
Like the baby.

1203
01:35:16,630 --> 01:35:22,830
Good evening. I have actually been here once before. It's been a while, though. My name is Michael Hoffman.

1204
01:35:22,950 --> 01:35:24,170
I'm an attorney with kind of like that.

1205
01:35:24,750 --> 01:35:26,010
That's all right.

1206
01:35:26,310 --> 01:35:27,590
I'm going to turn with Connelly Gallagher.

1207
01:35:28,210 --> 01:35:33,210
I will actually be sitting in on the RPC meetings going forward.

1208
01:35:33,990 --> 01:35:37,570
We've divided and conquered on the meeting schedule.

1209
01:35:38,570 --> 01:35:40,610
And I will be with you going forward.

1210
01:35:40,710 --> 01:35:42,310
It's a look forward to seeing you all more.

1211
01:35:42,590 --> 01:35:44,270
And I'll work with you.

1212
01:35:44,390 --> 01:35:46,330
Thank you very much and welcome aboard.

1213
01:35:46,790 --> 01:35:47,830
Yeah, thank you for being here.

1214
01:35:47,970 --> 01:35:50,970
We didn't meet you up tonight, but we'll probably get you into the play.

1215
01:35:50,970 --> 01:35:54,170
I think D.D. has a question for somebody.

1216
01:35:55,790 --> 01:35:57,650
I'm just curious.

1217
01:35:59,790 --> 01:36:06,930
We only have a limited number of acres, where are we at this point?

1218
01:36:08,450 --> 01:36:17,930
So far we have 265 acres approved, which leaves just over 1,300 available.

1219
01:36:20,130 --> 01:36:28,210
1300 more available remaining to be developed so that's 1300 plus what we've already

1220
01:36:28,210 --> 01:36:34,890
approved is what you said. Okay I think Mr. Davis has a question. Sir I see the

1221
01:36:35,670 --> 01:36:42,830
the holy cross deals coming up next week. I understand there's no public comment

1222
01:36:42,830 --> 01:36:46,410
allowed on that, could you explain to the Commission why that is?

1223
01:36:47,010 --> 01:36:51,790
It's not unusual, it's just like any other non-residential use that's permitted by right.

1224
01:36:51,850 --> 01:36:54,910
It's the site plan that comes to you all at a business meeting.

1225
01:36:56,090 --> 01:36:58,050
It's what now you have to run that bung again.

1226
01:36:58,330 --> 01:37:05,770
It is a site plan, non-residential, that comes to you at a business meeting because it is permitted

1227
01:37:05,770 --> 01:37:07,250
as a matter of right.

1228
01:37:08,190 --> 01:37:16,170
Okay. Thank you. The question came about why in any public comment on it. That's why yes. Thank you very much.

1229
01:37:16,370 --> 01:37:21,430
I know when we do those statements. I still have the abilities to bring people to the mic if I like to correct.

1230
01:37:22,050 --> 01:37:27,290
You are welcome to ask them questions. Absolutely. Okay. Thank you very much.

1231
01:37:28,070 --> 01:37:34,250
Any other commissioners have any comments? Seeing none. I'll entertain a motion to adjourn.

1232
01:37:36,520 --> 01:37:44,580
of second I have a motion in a second. Sarah call the commission. Mr. Peter

1233
01:37:44,580 --> 01:37:49,360
Man with your Mr. Saravan. Yes to adjourn. Mr. Carcher. Yes to adjourn. Mr.

1234
01:37:49,680 --> 01:37:57,940
Mr. Mills. Yes to adjourn. Mr. Davis. Yes to adjourn. Yes to adjourn. Yes to adjourn. Thank you all

1235
01:37:57,940 --> 01:37:59,120
and we'll see you next week.