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Hello everyone. Thank you for being
here. We're going to get started if

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everybody's settled and ready to go. Uh,
welcome. I am Lindsay. I'm the community

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and economic development coordinator for
the town of Kentville. But tonight, I am

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your host and moderator for the comment
section of the evening. Um, we have a

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few folks here with us on staff tonight
that I'll introduce. First, our director

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of planning and development is Darren
Shu. He's right here. Uh, next to him is

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our development officer, Ben Croll. And
down at the end is GIS technician and

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development officer, Kirsten Duncan.
story. She's had a lot of different

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titles over the times that we've worked
together. Um, so the order of the

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evening will be pretty simple. Uh, we
want to start with a presentation from

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the director of planning and development
and after that we will have uh open time

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for public comments or questions for
Darren. Um, we only have one person

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registered to speak. Um, but that
doesn't mean that when that person's

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done, you can't put your hand up and and
ask for your time. Each person will be

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given one five minute time spot. Um, if
you haven't already, please sign in at

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the table over there by the door. Um,
the meeting is intended to collect

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feedback from and answer questions for
residents of the town Kenville. Um, the

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meeting is being recorded for the public
record. It's not being live streamed,

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but it is being recorded and it will be
posted publicly at a later time. So,

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please be aware of that. Uh, registered
speakers will be called on first. Like I

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said, we only have one so far. Um, and
then others will be given time at the

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end if there is time remaining. We will
end the meeting at 8:00. So, if there's

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someone who we somehow run out of time
and it's after 8:00, you're welcome to

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still send your feedback for
consideration. It will be added to the

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public package that council considers.
Um, there are some cards over on the

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table there with Darren's email address
on it and you can send your your

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feedback or your questions directly to
Darren um until May 31st. Is that the

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date? Okay, great. Thank you.
Um, each speaker will be asked to come

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forward, state your name and place of
residence, and then you'll be provided

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with five minutes to speak or ask
questions to the director. Once your

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time is up, an alarm will actually go
off, and we'll ask you to return to your

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seat. Um, I do remind you of a few
rules. It is not a debate, so we are

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here to collect your feedback and hear
your ideas and opinions. We don't want

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you to debate somebody else's comment
that may have been already made or try

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to disparage others who may have spoken
before you. Just tell us what you think

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and what you want us to hear and that's
really all we require. Um, you'll see

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that some council members are in
attendance tonight. Uh, council is here

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in observation mode. It is not a council
meeting, so they will not be answering

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questions. Um, so please just keep that
in mind. This is really important work

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that we're doing here as a community.
Um, this is the process by which the

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council gets to hear from the people and
that's a fundamentally important part of

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municipal government in our in our
democratic system. Um, we we want it to

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be effective and in order for it to be
effective, it needs to remain

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respectful. So, we just expect that from
you all and I I know that it will be

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fine. Um, if it becomes disrespectful or
devolves into something, then we'll just

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end the meeting. But those are the rules
of engagement. And with that, I will

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hand it over to Darren to get us
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» Good evening everyone.
Let's get my slide notes.

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So I probably was I'm going to try to
keep it short as I can but still be

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complete in my presentation. Uh so
probably

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just a little bit probably about 15
minutes worth of slides and then we'll

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we'll get into uh whatever feedback or
comments. So questions you may have

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tonight. So the purpose of tonight's
meeting uh is to prevent

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to present proposed amendments to the
municipal planning strategy and lady's

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bylaw to explain uh the planning
rationale behind the proposed amendments

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and how the framework has evolved. So
this is the sort of the second uh

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attempt to to look at some of these
issues and we've amended some things

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along the way also to review feedback
and discussion that has arisen through

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staff PAC and council conversations
uh basically since the start of this

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year uh to receive of course the main
purpose is to receive public feedback

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prior to further consideration and as we
take this application through the uh

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through the different steps that will
will come and again as Lindsay mentioned

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No decisions will be made tonight. This
is purely a staff engagement with the

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public. So there's no decisions at all
at this point. So uh I'm going to start

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with some basics for this. So I'm going
to go through step you through this a

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little bit. The nature of land use
planning. So municipal land use planning

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uh regulates the use of land buildings.
It focuses on building forms, density,

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scale, site design, access, parking,
landscaping, buffering, and

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compatibility. Those are the main sort
of things that we look at. Municipal

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planning does not regulate personal
identity, income, health status, or

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personal support needs. So, we had to
know where we stay in our lane with this

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because we're required to by the
provincial government by the municipal

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government.
The focus of Lane's planning is the

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physical use and impact of development
within the community.

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So, a little bit about Temple's planning
framework. Uh, the municipal planning

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strategy establishes council's long-term
policy directions. That's where we we

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set out some of the big ideas that they
want to achieve over a certain time

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period and we're in the process of
updating these. Now, we're have a plan

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review that's ongoing. So, it's we're
starting to look at all of the uh all of

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the policies again, but the ladies by
all itself implements those policies

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through different zoning and development
standards and subdivision bylaw

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regulates the division of land and
infrastructure standards and the

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proposed amendments we have tonight
potential changes both planning strategy

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bylaw.
So in terms of uh meaningful context and

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growth structure
good uh the proposed amendments are

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being considered within our current
existing growth structure the medium

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density residential zone are three and
the institutional zoning that already

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exists uh throughout the community. We
look at some maps here in a second to

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demonstrate where that actually takes
place. So the first the first map uh

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this is a general uh generalized future
land use map. It describes basically you

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see the four five categories on the
bottom left of commercial space,

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residential, institutional and uh
industrial lands. So these these are

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where council uh back in 2018 envisioned
um these types of uses occurring. So

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this these are the primaries and within
within the commercial and within the

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residential zones in particular
designations in particular there are

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different zones underneath in underneath
each of those designations which

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describe different types of uses within
them. For residential use is mostly

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density that's being controlled with
commercial use is different types of

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uses that are placed in different parts
of town based on what they're hoping

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for.

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Can you give us

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the streets?
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here.
>> What's I can orient it basically.

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Obvious it's not obvious. It's north
north is top of the map. So the hospital

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which is which is major landmark not in
town but uh can we do anything with

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cursor?

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Okay. Um, let's let's start downtown.
So, the the the pale blue cluster in the

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center, that's our that's our downtown
area. Basically, that's that's some C1

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commercial general. Building out from
that, uh, if we go west of it, um, we

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start to get into some of the park
areas, the ballparks and things like

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that as we move down Park Street, Main
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go along there's there's a sort of
there's residential there and then we

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finally get down to where some of the
car car dealers are that sort of very

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west part of town and if we went east
from our downtown core we're working out

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towards Miners Landing and the border
with the miners basically. Does that

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help?
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at here, I mentioned under the
designations, those those sort of five

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big designations, these are how the how
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community as well. So you see a much
larger range of colors there which

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represent mostly again commercial for
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differentiate some of those uses based
on density. And uh again for commercial,

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there's different types of commercial
uses that are permitted in different

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types of different parts of town.
It's much more of a patchwork of of uses

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on the east on the zoning map.

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So we we'll flip back and forth between
these maps too as as we look at this.

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There may be some questions too that are
that are located in different areas that

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we might want to point to. So from the
provincial point of view and we take our

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cue from what the province allows us to
do on the m under the municipal

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government act again. So the MGA and
statements of provincial interest

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establish the B the broader planning uh
framework that we work within. Uh Chem's

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municipal planning strategy already
supports housing diversity, compact

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development, mixed use compatibility and
residential intensification. They do it

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does that in different ways based on the
zone uh that you'd be be uh looking at

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and the proposed amendments built build
upon these same types of principles.

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So the the existing residential
institutional framework can uh Kent

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Phil's planning framework already
contains a range of residential

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institutional land use categories. We
looked at some of them you know on the

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previous map. Um the types of uses would
include group homes, homes for special

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care, boarding houses, assisted living
facilities and institutional uses. uh

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and they're all all similar in some ways
uh under some of the discussion that we

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have in some of the way that we've
looked at these particular uses there's

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some overlap between them and uh and the
next point speaks to that is as housing

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forms have evolved there's been overlap
uh between residential and institutional

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uses there there always kind of has been
but I think there's there's different

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types of
of u instances where those things are

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being combined now and that's the
program based housing uh idea that we

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that we look at.
So why why do we need to clarify some of

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these terms? Uh the current framework uh
under current the 2018 uh planning

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documents uh there's there's some
uncertainty regarding approval pathways

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uh and land use interpretation based on
the definitions that we have right now.

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Uh the amendments that we're presenting
are intended to focus more directly on

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land use function compatibility and
build form. Um, and the proposed changes

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seek to improve administrative clarity.
So, it makes it easier to actually look

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at an application when it comes in. It's
more clarity for not only the applicant

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but the residents around in the area
where it may be as well as staff and

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council.

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So under under the existing zoning
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the R3 zoning, the R3 zone already
accommodates a broad range of

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residential forms and densities. Um
institutional zoning already

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accommodates a range of community survey
and public uses. And again, the proposed

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amendments, um they also work within
this same structure.

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So the next map that we're going to show
gives a demonstration of where the R3 uh

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medium density and institutional zones
currently exist in town. So the the uh

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yellowy orange mustard color I guess
would be the institutional zones that

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currently exist and the large one on the
on the the southeast side of town is the

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agricultural research facilities. That's
that's the one that really stands out

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and takes up most of our institutionally
zoned property and the remaining red the

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red spots are the R3 zone. So there
there's not in in the full picture of

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the town there's fairly limited of each
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So under the previous amendment
framework and we were looking at doing

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some uh creating some amendments
basically in the fall leading up to

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December of last year. They they
explored more operational

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classifications for supportive housing,
transitional housing and emergency

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shelters.
And the previous approaches also uh

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explored occupancy threshold separation
distances between uses and additional

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approval triggers.
uh the framework was refined to focus

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more directly on the things that we
actually have control over that being

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land use option compatibility build form
and I can explain a little bit the

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operational classification ste right now
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slide for that one but uh just to give
an example of what I mean by operational

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distinctions we had language in there
that talked about how a particular

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facility would be managed how the
services would be delivered how

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residents are supported or some of the
internal program functions within that

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particular building. And again, that
that steps outside of what we can really

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speak to and that's really government
act where we're where we're uh

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constrained to some degree to look at uh
say that use function compatibility

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form.

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So we had received uh some previous
feedback at a previous PPM uh public

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participation meeting and from council
and now from also plan advisory

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committee. Uh and questions were raised
regarding the distinction between

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residential institutional uses. There
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operational definitions and
forcibilities. spoke a little bit about

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the operational side of things that sort
of outside of our our purview

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and there was discussion which focused
on compatibility uh public review

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processes and the role of existing
definitions.

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A lot of what we're looking at is the
power of definitions to determine what

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we can actually do.
So what we're proposing tonight uh

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is that the program housing uh be rec
recognized primarily as a residential

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use. The the primary the sort of
framework focuses on residential

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function build form site site design and
compatibility. return back to things

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that we can actually uh speak to.
Program based housing is uh proposed

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within the R3 zone because of the
compatibility scale and built form is

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already kind of contemplated in that
zone. So the density level is similar

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for that type of housing.
Emergency shelters um are proposed as a

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distinct institutional use which differs
from the the version that we had in the

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fall uh due to the operational intensity
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of that particular use.

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And we would look to use the existing uh
planning tools that we have um in our

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new planning strategy for site plan
approval development agreements to shape

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those um those types of developments.

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So some specifics there.

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So we're proposing a set of four new
residential policies here and I will

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quickly quick quickly read to them. So
the first is it shall be the intention

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of council to recognize program based
housing as a residential use providing

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accommodation with a shared or group
living arrangement which may include the

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provision of supports or services.
So there's there's a marriage there of

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residential with with some institutional
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provided at those establishments.
The second RS29, it shall be the

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potential council to to enable program
based housing within the municipal sorry

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within the medium density residential R3
zone subject to the requirements of the

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land use bylaw. Program based housing
shall be subject to site plan approval

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in accordance with the same threshold
and provisions applicable to other

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multi-unit residential development in
order to ensure compatibility of form

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scale and the site design with
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So compatibility
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it shall be the intention of council to
report land use bylaws damage provisions

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regulating the form, scale, and site
design of program based housing to

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ensure compatibility with adjacent
residential uses. And lastly for this

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one, shall be the intentional council to
require development agreement for

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program based housing developments
exceeding eight dwelling units or

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sleeping units.

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uh there are two uh so the CH
intentional council recognized that

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institutional uses vary in scale and
intensity and that certain uses may be

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limited to specific zones are subject to
additional approval requirements in

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accordance with the language bylaw. And
also it shall be the intention of

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council to permit emergency shelter uses
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development agreement.

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elsewhere in planning strategies to make
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on development agreements and these
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reflect each other. Um it shall be
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within the institutional zone and also
program based housing exceeding eight

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units within the R3 um requiring a
development agreement and policy GD5

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just reflects that basically that um
those are the ways that we would

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administer those types of developments
for this proposal going forward.

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Okay. So in terms of the the the key
policy direction we kind get into the

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summary part of this so not too much
longer the proposed policy framework

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focuses on uh a residential versus
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looks at the compatibility of build form
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what what is being developed. Um
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approval pathways and it allows for
public review for opportunities for

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larger or more intensive developments
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contemplated.

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zone would generally proceed through a
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based housing proposals would require
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development agreement approval.
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include public notification, public
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rights. So there's there's a little more
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So for the development agreement just to
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such specific review process of certain
criteria that have to be met when

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looking at a development agreement why
both staff and council look at a

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development agreement. The process
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hearing council consideration appeal
rights. We spoke to that already. Um and

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council as part of the criteria may
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traffic, parking, landscaping,
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development context.

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For site plan approval slightly
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the site layout and the functional
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include as part of this criteria
landscaping access circulation,

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lighting, buffering, parking and
compatibility measures. And this is

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overseen by our development officer
sitting on sitting on my right. And uh

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it also includes the process of
notification and appeal uh for all

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properties within the 30 m radius of the
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Almost there. Two more slides.
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has evolved again we've looked at two
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questions over the last eight months. Um
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reflects more of the more public
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discussions that we've had at through
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advisory committee discussion uh
intensive staff review I would say and

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various implementation considerations

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the framework has shifted away from
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a land use function and build form again
we're looking getting back to staying in

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our lane
and the revised approach more closely

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aligns with Kent Phil the existing
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the intent of the proposed amendments is
to improve overall the clarity

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consistency administration
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Uh the revised framework focused more
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compatibility build form and the
amendments built upon existing plan

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principles um while maintaining uh
public review opportunities

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um as we look at these different
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So at this time I'm ready to see the mic
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this last slide which uh just a little
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receive written comments and you can
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campful.ca or or my own du ds and
there's cards up front for that for my

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uh my contacts as well.
>> So yeah, back to

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» we have one registered speaker and I'll
call them up now. That's Missy Veno like

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to come on up and

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Hi, my name is Missy and I live in
Kentro up on Hillrest Avenue. Um, I

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think what I'm going to be doing is just
kind of giving I think a summary of what

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you said and then you could um correct
me if I'm wrong. Um so my understanding

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um uh purpose of the reszoning if I'm
understanding correctly is essentially

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provides access to program program based
housing organizations to purchase

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existing R1 properties that are for sale
or reszone R1 to R2 or R3 depending on

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the size of the um the unit being built.
Placement of homeless individuals would

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be determined by the organization. The
location of these units and homes will

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not be disclosed to the cample residents
and any issues that may result in harm

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are to be handled by the police. Um, and
I'm not suggesting that this would be

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the case in every situation. Um,

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» I think I I'm a little short.

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Okay. Can Can everyone hear me now?
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» All right. So, I'll I'll I'll take this
from the top. Um if I'm understanding um

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everything correctly. The purpose of the
reszoning uh essentially provides access

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to program based housing organizations
to purchase existing R1 properties that

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are for sale or reszone R1 to R2 reszone
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the unit being built. Placement of
homeless individuals would be determined

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by the organizations.
location of these units and homes will

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not be disclosed to camp residents and
any issues that may result in harm are

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to be handled by the police and I'm not
suggesting this would be the outcome in

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every situation but um yeah that would
be my understanding is that you guys are

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just providing infrastructure
um for this like you're so that um these

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organizations are able to um have access
to

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land um that they wouldn't previously
have had access to.

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» Let's just use

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as long as the speaker is like

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All right.

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Use the stand for this.

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Um, so let me see if I get a question
correct. First of all, so you're asking

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about like particularly for lower
density residential R1 or R2 potentially

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being resoneed R3 to which would then
accommodate program based housing in

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this under that reszoning.
Um first of all a resoning process such

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as that would have is is a council
process. So there's there's some council

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control over that. Um
through that there's also the public

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feedback that there would be a resing
application. So there' be public

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opportunities to uh to um speak your
mind against that if that's not

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something you're in favor. Um for
program B again, we also come into

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different levels of of control. So you
have to you'd have to first reszone this

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the property the the hypothetical
property and then it would be through

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depending on the scale of the
development being proposed up to eight

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would be through site plan approval. So
and another process on top of that that

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would be through development office or
primarily through a specific criteria if

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they wanted if the proposed developer
wanted to go any higher in terms of

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number of units and that would be
through development agreement which

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again is a council process. So there's
potentially two checks through council

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for a larger scale program based housing
u not just and not just in our going

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from R1 to R3 R1 or R2 to R3 to pretty
much anywhere R3 um through this this

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new process there'd be two two council
checks on that. So there' be two

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separate opportunities for for public
neighbors to um to oppose or support

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potentially a given application for
that. Is that

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» is um policy RS31
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So policy RS31 is uh the intention of
council to require development agreement

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for program based housing development
exceeding 8. So that would be the larger

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scale uh development. Yes. So that'd be
the second check from council on that

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type of develop to make sure it's
appropriate for that that particular

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neighborhood.

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That gets you
>> I guess that that answers really the

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only I guess you can answer because the
organizations that are going to be

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applying for grants to either purchase
existing residential homes, right,

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» which they can purchase
like residential homes for that purpose.

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Is that correct?
>> I'm not aware of how the granting

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opportunities work for
>> like the home was for sale,

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» right?
>> They they could then use that

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that house.
>> Yeah,

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» they can divide it up or they can leave
it as is, but they could use it um for

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programs.
>> It would depend on I'm not I'm not as an

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expert on how the problems grants or the
criteria that they use.

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I'm aware of some properties that have
been purchased for for for basically

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program based housing and opportunities
like

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» and I'm not sure if if the province sets
their sites to keep those types of

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developments where the services aren't
mostly located

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» or if they would look further field and
town to different parts primarily

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residential areas. I I really don't know
that I can't I can't answer that

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effectively.
>> So essentially

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the the reszoning is approved before you
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unless you need to resone that
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then it's pretty much hands off. Like
then it's up to these organizations

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to to then decide what programs where
the programs are going to go um within

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the town. Once that resoning happens,
It does open up quite a bit of

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possibility.
>> There's not really a lot of limitations

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on where they can go once once the
zoning is

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» if we if we picked any of the R3
currently R3 zone properties in town. Um

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the application for if it was program
based housing would have to be

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considered through that development
agreement. We go back to RS31. So that

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would be that check at that point. Once
it's already zoned R3, the potential for

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development could occur, but it would
have to be through council's perview uh

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to to look at all that factors involved
with the development agreement. And they

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don't have to they they have options
when it comes to looking at a

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development agreement if they don't feel
it's appropriate as well. So

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» okay,
>> that's why there'd be some back and

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forth between the community and council
on on making sure that that was

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appropriate.
>> Okay. So just so I understand correctly

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what you're saying. So the program based
housing

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um
any new developments

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would have to go through us first.
>> Yes. Um

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trying to think if that would apply to
renovations or not. But if it's in an R3

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zone
>> and there's a new it could could it be a

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an existing R3
that looked at some sort of repurposing

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of that structure. Um I but I think to
get the program based housing use

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permitted it would have to go through
then either the site approval or

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development agreement depending again on
the scale

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» of development number of units attached
to it. So I think that's always going to

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be the case as I think on the fly.
>> Is there anything I mean maybe this is

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not something but
like with with homelessness and people

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need places to live,
you know, supports like whatever they

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need.
I'm all for making that available to to

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people. Sometimes you can get
individuals that you know they they

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could be known for being particularly
violent.

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» We're going to have to stop you right
there just for now.

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» Okay.

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» Right. We can't talk about what people
do and don't do. Um

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» right.
>> I for us we have to stay in our lane. I

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can only answer questions. because
that's what my job is based on.

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» But I'm always
>> I guess that's what I'm just trying to

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clarify.
>> You guys don't

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that's all you guys are doing and you
are able to

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» we have again we have our lane that we
can focus on.

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» That's good. That's good.
>> Yeah. And I'm open to chat with anyone

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after this as well
>> in the future.

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» Okay. Thank you. Sorry to have to do
that just we have to make sure time for

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everybody if there's anyone else. I see
one hand. Uh is that

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» can you just come up to the front? We
just really want to discontin audience

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back and forth just because

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» not a big question, but um
does the the council and the planning

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department have uh a sense of what
properties in Kentville right now would

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potentially be R3.

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have to share my

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» maybe if you want to stay close just in
case.

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» Okay. Okay.
>> We don't Yeah. We'll figure um what

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00:35:53,760 --> 00:36:01,119
could potentially be zoned are three. Um
we know

434
00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:04,640
we know what has been zoned, but we have
what's what we've received in terms of

435
00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:11,079
applications and that's pretty much all
that we know of. We don't

436
00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:11,079
have any uh

437
00:36:13,680 --> 00:36:20,160
now that we don't know.
>> No, if there if there were an

438
00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:23,440
application to reszone our three would
be publicly made available once once the

439
00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:27,520
application comes in.
>> So it's sort of

440
00:36:26,240 --> 00:36:31,240
colored.
>> Yes. Yes.

441
00:36:32,160 --> 00:36:39,760
But you could potentially from
understanding that you could take R1 and

442
00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:44,480
jump to an R3.
>> Well, we have uh very specific and

443
00:36:42,240 --> 00:36:50,079
stringent rules with R1 and our
documents where you you can't upzone it

444
00:36:46,800 --> 00:36:55,200
like that. That's we we've held on fast
to that idea that R1 stays R1.

445
00:36:52,960 --> 00:37:00,240
» Um that only are there are there
occasions where that can be changed? I

446
00:36:57,920 --> 00:37:06,560
look to my DMs,
they'll determine that, but in almost

447
00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:10,240
all cases that it's it's capped at R1
that's often due to the size of the lot

448
00:37:08,400 --> 00:37:15,640
too as much as anything.
>> So

449
00:37:12,240 --> 00:37:15,640
that particular

450
00:37:17,920 --> 00:37:20,920
» correct

451
00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:28,680
» that that is one that's available on our
website.

452
00:37:31,359 --> 00:37:37,599
Okay. So, the only occasion where you
can go from R1 to R2 is where the

453
00:37:35,119 --> 00:37:42,880
subject property is currently vacant and
has uh frontage on the collector road

454
00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:45,440
which is specific roads for collectors.
We don't have that map up here but

455
00:37:44,240 --> 00:37:48,720
they're fairly limited.
>> Just one more follow.

456
00:37:46,720 --> 00:37:52,320
» Sure.
>> Yeah.

457
00:37:49,680 --> 00:37:57,119
» Is there a directive from province or do
you people

458
00:37:55,280 --> 00:38:02,760
have
in mind of what how much bars

459
00:38:03,359 --> 00:38:08,800
» I again I can't speak for the province
but uh from and and I really shouldn't

460
00:38:07,599 --> 00:38:13,200
speak for council either because there's
sitting in front of me I'll be in

461
00:38:10,079 --> 00:38:16,560
trouble um but in terms of a quota for
R3 we don't really have anything like

462
00:38:14,800 --> 00:38:21,599
that it's based on what applications
come in so if we if we see an

463
00:38:19,119 --> 00:38:25,520
application looking to to change zones
in that way that we look at there's no

464
00:38:23,440 --> 00:38:28,240
there's no queue for it there's no quota
for

465
00:38:26,880 --> 00:38:31,240
It is what it is in terms of
applications.

466
00:38:33,760 --> 00:38:36,760
» Okay.

467
00:38:42,720 --> 00:38:49,440
» Sorry. The reason that we want you to
come up is not just because of decorum,

468
00:38:47,440 --> 00:38:53,280
but also we're recording for the public
record so that it can be posted later.

469
00:38:51,280 --> 00:38:59,440
We just want to make sure that people
are tuning in later at home. what the

470
00:38:55,520 --> 00:39:04,400
audience is asking. Otherwise, it's just
answering questions.

471
00:39:02,720 --> 00:39:07,920
» Thank you.
>> I'll just

472
00:39:06,720 --> 00:39:13,280
leave it there.
>> Hi, it's Tom Herman from El Mountain. U

473
00:39:11,920 --> 00:39:21,760
first I'd like to thank you for the
presentation. It's uh it's been useful.

474
00:39:17,359 --> 00:39:28,160
Uh and the question I have perhaps not
Germaine directly, but I I'm curious

475
00:39:25,359 --> 00:39:35,359
because I know relatively little about
the planning process in Kenville. I will

476
00:39:30,640 --> 00:39:40,880
acknowledge my my ignorance. Um but I'm
struck by

477
00:39:37,359 --> 00:39:47,440
the categories R1, R2, R3. First, I'm
curious um how flexible historically

478
00:39:45,359 --> 00:39:53,760
have those categories? In other words,
how wedded is the town to those specific

479
00:39:50,560 --> 00:40:00,640
categories and the criteria within them?
And is there some kind of provincial

480
00:39:56,240 --> 00:40:05,839
constraint on that that limits the
imagination and the creativity of the

481
00:40:03,440 --> 00:40:10,880
town to accommodate what are clearly
important needs in the community? So

482
00:40:08,720 --> 00:40:15,880
that's my first question. I'll follow
that first.

483
00:40:12,160 --> 00:40:15,880
» Absolutely. If you like

484
00:40:27,599 --> 00:40:34,800
» um
historical context for residential

485
00:40:31,599 --> 00:40:39,040
zones, this first one, so they they have
changed. Kirsten behind me here would

486
00:40:37,040 --> 00:40:42,480
probably be better to answer that
because she's she's been around the town

487
00:40:40,560 --> 00:40:46,320
longer than I have, but my understanding
is that they've changed a bit from uh

488
00:40:44,960 --> 00:40:53,280
2000
>> 2001 2000

489
00:40:48,640 --> 00:40:56,640
» 2001 early 2000 um in 2018 we currently
we we brought in this set for the new

490
00:40:55,280 --> 00:41:00,960
plan for the plan review that we're
currently engaged in there may be a

491
00:40:58,880 --> 00:41:04,480
different mindset towards where we want
to go with that I've heard some

492
00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:09,280
different thoughts from council about
what we want to do with resial zones

493
00:41:07,119 --> 00:41:15,119
kind of zones early conversations so
it's not really

494
00:41:11,760 --> 00:41:18,000
Nothing crystallized at this point.
What was the second?

495
00:41:16,240 --> 00:41:25,520
» Well,
actually I'm curious about how

496
00:41:22,240 --> 00:41:33,079
solid those, you know, how there are
provincial constraints on what you can

497
00:41:27,440 --> 00:41:33,079
do uh to modify those classes,

498
00:41:33,359 --> 00:41:41,920
increase the number of classes,
whatever. one of the provincial

499
00:41:39,200 --> 00:41:46,560
statements of that housing. We have we
have some uh basic standards that we

500
00:41:44,319 --> 00:41:50,800
have to hit when we do the planner do.
Um so it makes sense to talk about the

501
00:41:49,359 --> 00:41:54,880
things that the community is concerned
about and there is flexibility in that.

502
00:41:52,560 --> 00:41:58,400
So looking at density there's there's
different ways of doing that. That's one

503
00:41:56,240 --> 00:42:03,680
of the main concerns whether it's a
single family or single attached

504
00:42:00,079 --> 00:42:09,119
dwelling uh neighborhood. Um there may
be room for some density within that.

505
00:42:06,079 --> 00:42:12,880
Some are more appropriate for larger
scale density. Um, that's one of the

506
00:42:11,280 --> 00:42:17,520
main ones because it looks at traffic,
it looks at buffering so that your

507
00:42:16,480 --> 00:42:21,200
neighbors aren't looking right, you
know, top of you necessarily. Um,

508
00:42:19,760 --> 00:42:25,119
different things like that that we can
consider. And there's also mixed use as

509
00:42:23,520 --> 00:42:29,760
well, some mixed use areas where you can
have a commercial ground floor and

510
00:42:26,960 --> 00:42:33,760
residential above. Um, so particularly
in areas of town like where Donald Hills

511
00:42:31,839 --> 00:42:37,520
is in the process of being developed,
there's a whole new mindset towards how

512
00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:40,240
residential commercial development could
happen up in that part of town that

513
00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:44,240
hasn't even thought of been thought of
yet because of of the nature of the

514
00:42:42,160 --> 00:42:49,280
growth of the town. So there there is
there's quite a bit of latitude how we

515
00:42:46,319 --> 00:42:53,839
could consider that.
>> Thanks. Can I

516
00:42:51,920 --> 00:42:58,640
stop?
>> Yeah. Okay.

517
00:42:55,359 --> 00:43:03,520
I can turn around. I just don't want to
put my back to death. Um but that's

518
00:43:02,000 --> 00:43:09,200
better because I don't want to put my
back to everyone else. Um well, one of

519
00:43:06,640 --> 00:43:14,319
the things that strikes me is that if
you look at the criteria uh in R3 at

520
00:43:12,560 --> 00:43:18,640
present
um

521
00:43:16,240 --> 00:43:24,800
and I don't say this in a porative way,
so but it's a bit of a dog's breakfast

522
00:43:21,280 --> 00:43:30,319
in terms of the uses. Um and I'm
wondering whether adding yet more

523
00:43:27,599 --> 00:43:34,560
diversity to that range of uses under
one classification

524
00:43:32,160 --> 00:43:42,079
makes the classification actually useful
in the planning process rather than some

525
00:43:39,520 --> 00:43:47,359
uh rethinking around the the
classifications and the categories. And

526
00:43:44,240 --> 00:43:49,920
I realize that's probably people behind
me are probably rolling their eyes

527
00:43:48,800 --> 00:43:56,960
saying, "Oh my god, that's an
administrative nightmare. Don't suggest

528
00:43:52,480 --> 00:44:02,160
it." But it's just a question. Um, and
I'll, if I could, if you indulge me, I

529
00:43:59,359 --> 00:44:11,440
just add one more comment. Um, because
you you centered the conversation and I

530
00:44:06,560 --> 00:44:15,520
think rightly so on land use and you're
avoiding other topics which are the

531
00:44:13,440 --> 00:44:22,640
perview of other agencies and
departments and I totally get that. Um,

532
00:44:19,680 --> 00:44:33,359
but it's just a comment. But in in that
consideration of land use, um I having

533
00:44:27,760 --> 00:44:39,200
lived in Keno for 30 plus 5 years, um I
think there has been a distinct lack of

534
00:44:36,720 --> 00:44:44,319
what I would call integrated planning.
Uh because there are whole ranges of

535
00:44:41,520 --> 00:44:49,040
things which never come up in the
conversation.

536
00:44:45,839 --> 00:44:52,880
they're not in the amendments and so on.
But there are things that are important

537
00:44:50,640 --> 00:44:58,480
as they touch on land use and one of
them is dealing with the actual

538
00:44:56,160 --> 00:45:04,240
capacity physical capacity of the
landscape and how it works and

539
00:45:00,079 --> 00:45:10,319
understanding that. So how these changes
affect things like

540
00:45:06,480 --> 00:45:13,520
uh climate change remediation plan
what's happening with climate change

541
00:45:11,839 --> 00:45:21,200
remediation planning? I understand
there's a an exciting new urban forest

542
00:45:17,440 --> 00:45:25,920
plan possibly that that the town is to
receive funding for s funding for and

543
00:45:23,359 --> 00:45:31,599
that's really exciting
but before we see dramatic changes in

544
00:45:29,440 --> 00:45:37,440
the planning structure I would hope that
we can start to explore those other

545
00:45:35,200 --> 00:45:45,599
elements which are key components about
how you fit people into a landscape so

546
00:45:40,400 --> 00:45:51,520
that they live happy healthy lives and
that though their neighbors do as well

547
00:45:48,640 --> 00:45:55,040
and that they can continue to do so for
generations. Just a comment and I will

548
00:45:54,480 --> 00:46:00,560
shut off.
>> Thanks very much for your switch for a

549
00:45:57,920 --> 00:46:08,079
minute.
>> Sure.

550
00:46:02,480 --> 00:46:14,640
Um so first of all in terms of theis
back everyone um for our three

551
00:46:11,920 --> 00:46:18,880
appropriate in R3. Um, part of what I
was trying to convey is that it's if it

552
00:46:16,560 --> 00:46:23,440
stays at the same scale as other three
developments, we see it as housing

553
00:46:21,200 --> 00:46:28,560
primarily. Yes, there's an institutional
component and when we're still looking

554
00:46:27,119 --> 00:46:32,400
at what's the appropriate threshold,
does it become more institutional than

555
00:46:30,400 --> 00:46:37,680
residential at certain point? And then
should we look at a mechanism for

556
00:46:34,400 --> 00:46:40,880
considering that? Uh but as it stands in
the way we presented it so far and

557
00:46:39,440 --> 00:46:45,920
there's can always be adjustments to
this as well of course but we're seeing

558
00:46:43,119 --> 00:46:49,359
it as an equivalent housing form as any
other housing form in town. So that's

559
00:46:47,680 --> 00:46:53,839
that's why we kept it three. We thought
that would be a good place to start with

560
00:46:50,640 --> 00:46:58,079
it. Um so that's that's that's kind of
logic behind that. Uh in terms of some

561
00:46:56,480 --> 00:47:02,240
of the environmental things you just
mentioned we are looking at that more

562
00:47:00,079 --> 00:47:07,839
intensively I think we have in the past.
Certainly the storm water issue has been

563
00:47:05,040 --> 00:47:12,800
on the top of the town's mind for
certainly since the last big rainfall

564
00:47:09,359 --> 00:47:15,680
but uh longer than that and we're
looking at ways of bringing more

565
00:47:14,240 --> 00:47:19,359
environmental policies into the
documents as well as we go forward in

566
00:47:16,960 --> 00:47:23,920
the urban force studies part of it
coastal flooding because we we still get

567
00:47:21,599 --> 00:47:30,560
some coastal flooding effects here as
well as other types of flooding so that

568
00:47:28,000 --> 00:47:34,560
river flooding as well so that's we are
definitely

569
00:47:31,680 --> 00:47:40,319
» if I could just thank you very much I
that I I think we'll put this on record.

570
00:47:38,240 --> 00:47:44,560
Uh thanks very much Darren. I appreciate
that. And I think the point that you

571
00:47:42,319 --> 00:47:52,720
just made is really important. Um
because it may turn out that um the

572
00:47:49,599 --> 00:48:00,560
environmental criteria should become a
more uh significant determinant of the

573
00:47:56,880 --> 00:48:07,599
use than the actual type of housing. In
other words, I can see I I I Just for

574
00:48:04,800 --> 00:48:12,960
instance, the density of housing is
probably much more important in terms of

575
00:48:09,760 --> 00:48:21,280
the longterm sustainability in a
neighborhood than than the type of

576
00:48:15,520 --> 00:48:27,599
housing. Uh, so I I hear your point loud
and clear about the similarities between

577
00:48:24,160 --> 00:48:33,680
the the grouping of of
different um types of housing together

578
00:48:31,760 --> 00:48:38,559
based on the fact that they're all
housing. But I think the scale is

579
00:48:36,559 --> 00:48:42,960
probably a more important question
necessarily in the nature. But it's just

580
00:48:40,960 --> 00:48:45,960
my own personal bias and thank you very
much.

581
00:48:48,800 --> 00:48:51,960
I mean,

582
00:48:52,160 --> 00:49:02,640
» um, sorry. So, my question is around
industrial. Um, how much how much

583
00:48:58,640 --> 00:49:08,240
industrial is there that's buildable and
do we have the option to designate more

584
00:49:05,680 --> 00:49:12,720
land institutional?
Institutional is what I meant to say

585
00:49:09,680 --> 00:49:16,240
from the onset. Yeah. How much Yeah.
land institutional that's buildable.

586
00:49:14,640 --> 00:49:19,960
Could we designate more land
institutional? Sorry.

587
00:49:24,720 --> 00:49:31,040
» Um
and yeah, so we have the we have the map

588
00:49:29,200 --> 00:49:36,160
and the the sort of mustard yellow
indicates where we currently have

589
00:49:33,920 --> 00:49:40,800
this a little bit.
See if that helps.

590
00:49:38,960 --> 00:49:45,359
where we currently have institutional.
Um are the language in our documents

591
00:49:42,800 --> 00:49:53,200
right now treat institutional in in a
somewhat strange way? Um where there are

592
00:49:49,520 --> 00:50:00,240
no Can we go back to the
the G forms for a second

593
00:49:56,240 --> 00:50:06,960
general future use?
So that's exactly the same basically

594
00:50:03,440 --> 00:50:10,559
the uh there's no future in
institutional these are all occupied

595
00:50:09,040 --> 00:50:16,079
basically what we have now. So there's
there's enough in mind to to set aside

596
00:50:13,359 --> 00:50:20,720
areas for two institutional
new institutional development

597
00:50:18,800 --> 00:50:26,640
that
u in terms of redesating uh that is

598
00:50:24,400 --> 00:50:32,880
always a possibility.
Um we haven't we've seen any

599
00:50:29,839 --> 00:50:35,920
to institutional since the last No. So
there there hasn't been much of that. So

600
00:50:34,400 --> 00:50:40,000
we'll be introducing it with this type
of proposal we talked about tonight for

601
00:50:38,160 --> 00:50:44,480
for emergency shelters.
>> So all of the institutional at this

602
00:50:42,240 --> 00:50:48,800
juncture is used.
>> It's yes I believe it all has a use

603
00:50:47,440 --> 00:50:52,319
attached to it at this point. It's not
vacant land

604
00:50:50,559 --> 00:50:58,800
» my
but there there's a process to redesate

605
00:50:56,319 --> 00:51:04,319
» that. But again for a red designation
get to uh an emergency shelter would be

606
00:51:01,760 --> 00:51:10,440
redesignation resone plus development
under the current

607
00:51:06,880 --> 00:51:10,440
» proposed plan.

608
00:51:15,440 --> 00:51:18,680
Thank you.

609
00:51:20,559 --> 00:51:26,000
» Hello. My name is Michelle. Thanks for
letting me speak. I actually do not live

610
00:51:24,480 --> 00:51:30,160
in the town of Dville. I live just
outside of the town of Kentville in

611
00:51:27,839 --> 00:51:35,839
North Kentville and I think my
perspective does have um some relevance

612
00:51:32,960 --> 00:51:40,319
here. I live next door to Nexus,
directly next door to Nexus. And if

613
00:51:38,240 --> 00:51:46,400
everyone doesn't know what Nexus is,
Nexus is a institution owned by the

614
00:51:43,680 --> 00:51:51,839
province that houses young adults who
have a variety of challenges to their

615
00:51:49,200 --> 00:51:56,079
life. So potentially you would think
that they would be a horrible

616
00:51:53,520 --> 00:52:00,000
neighborhood to live next door to and I
cannot say that that's the case. I

617
00:51:58,319 --> 00:52:04,559
haven't lived there very long. I lived
there approximately a year and I have

618
00:52:01,520 --> 00:52:07,599
yet to have one challenge with any of
the young adult and adults that live

619
00:52:05,920 --> 00:52:11,680
there. So just kind of putting that into
perspective when we think about

620
00:52:09,200 --> 00:52:17,359
supportive housing. I do really
appreciate that the town and the staff

621
00:52:14,559 --> 00:52:22,480
have listened to community and have made
the distinction between a shelter and

622
00:52:20,079 --> 00:52:26,720
supportive living. To me, they are very
different things. I have worked in both

623
00:52:24,640 --> 00:52:32,000
um housing supports and in emergency
shelters and I do strongly believe that

624
00:52:29,599 --> 00:52:35,520
a shelter should not be in a residential
area that it should be in an

625
00:52:33,440 --> 00:52:40,559
institutional zone setting and that
supportive housing is housing and it is

626
00:52:38,000 --> 00:52:44,960
a very different situation. And I just
wanted to point out that on this page

627
00:52:42,400 --> 00:52:48,880
here, number five, I really appreciate
you listing out the different types of

628
00:52:46,640 --> 00:52:53,119
program- based housing and because it
was it was a good reminder for me that

629
00:52:51,119 --> 00:52:57,800
not all program based housing is for
folks who are unhoused. So, thank you

630
00:52:54,640 --> 00:52:57,800
very much.

631
00:53:04,240 --> 00:53:10,640
» I think no secret I live in Temple. Um,
I just I want to thank you for that

632
00:53:08,880 --> 00:53:14,079
presentation and I want to kind of chime
in what Michelle just said that program

633
00:53:12,400 --> 00:53:17,839
based housing is not just for people
that have you know illness or addictions

634
00:53:16,480 --> 00:53:20,960
or whatever. We have to remember that
that could be one of us someday could be

635
00:53:19,599 --> 00:53:25,200
one of our parents or someone with
disabilities right that's an important

636
00:53:22,800 --> 00:53:30,079
point but my question for you director
Shu and I'll look at you is in R3 the

637
00:53:28,559 --> 00:53:37,160
town of chemical as of right is already
allowed in program best based housing

638
00:53:32,079 --> 00:53:37,160
correct as of right you can have up to

639
00:53:37,359 --> 00:53:42,640
resial
res.

640
00:53:41,359 --> 00:53:47,920
» Correct. But that would mean right now
that somebody could buy an R3 property

641
00:53:44,720 --> 00:53:50,480
or own one and have up to six units in.
Correct.

642
00:53:48,960 --> 00:53:55,920
» So the only change in this is that
someone could now have buy one and have

643
00:53:52,960 --> 00:53:59,440
up to eight before it comes to council.
So it's not a huge change than what's

644
00:53:57,520 --> 00:54:01,280
already in place. My understanding
>> I would have to follow up a little bit

645
00:54:00,720 --> 00:54:04,160
with that.
>> Okay.

646
00:54:02,640 --> 00:54:07,599
» Yeah. Okay. just
>> my understanding I'm not a planner so I

647
00:54:06,000 --> 00:54:11,599
just that's what I that's what I
interpreted but maybe

648
00:54:09,440 --> 00:54:15,200
» okay
>> um

649
00:54:13,359 --> 00:54:19,920
» just I had to add a little bit of
context the way you said under our

650
00:54:17,119 --> 00:54:23,160
current definitions um
>> thank you

651
00:54:24,559 --> 00:54:27,559
this

652
00:54:29,119 --> 00:54:34,960
so for we have we have three terms under
the same definition which also awkward,

653
00:54:33,599 --> 00:54:38,800
but we're we're working through these
things. So, it's a residential care

654
00:54:36,880 --> 00:54:42,400
facility, a home for special care, or a
group home. They all mean the same

655
00:54:40,319 --> 00:54:46,079
thing. They mean a community- based
group living arrangement in a single

656
00:54:44,000 --> 00:54:49,599
unit where accommodations are provided
and which may include additional

657
00:54:47,760 --> 00:54:55,200
services for residents with physical
and/or intellectual disabilities or are

658
00:54:53,119 --> 00:54:58,079
marginally disadvantaged. We don't have
a definition for what marginally

659
00:54:56,480 --> 00:55:01,839
disadvantaged means. So, it's it's very
much up to interpretation.

660
00:55:00,079 --> 00:55:07,839
uh including but not limited to medical
care super supervisory or personnel care

661
00:55:04,880 --> 00:55:11,520
personal care uh and counseling but does
not include hospital or facility

662
00:55:10,000 --> 00:55:18,720
licensed or under contract by
corrections Canada or um Nova Scotia

663
00:55:14,800 --> 00:55:23,040
correction. So the the the caveat there
I guess the the issue that we have

664
00:55:21,200 --> 00:55:28,000
interpretation is what what is a
marginally disadvantaged person. So, but

665
00:55:26,400 --> 00:55:33,119
but what you're saying is correct that
we do have a path forward for those

666
00:55:30,720 --> 00:55:36,119
types of developments currently in our
district.

667
00:55:37,839 --> 00:55:43,960
» Anybody else with a question or comment?
Please come on up.

668
00:55:47,920 --> 00:55:51,079
It's very

669
00:55:52,240 --> 00:56:00,400
» Kelly Grant Elm Avenue. Um,
I guess I just wanted to actually

670
00:55:58,400 --> 00:56:07,920
reflect first on this map because I
found this a bit shocking actually. Um,

671
00:56:04,880 --> 00:56:11,359
I just see so much residential uh
potential there. I'm kind of shocked

672
00:56:09,440 --> 00:56:17,839
that this is the direction that Kimbo
feels that it needs to go. Um,

673
00:56:15,920 --> 00:56:22,799
and I'm also quite concerned the lack of
green in that picture. Uh I know we have

674
00:56:20,799 --> 00:56:26,720
existing parkland.
Um

675
00:56:24,880 --> 00:56:31,359
I would like to see about double or
triple that park land

676
00:56:29,119 --> 00:56:36,400
especially in the commercial area. I
find it lacking a lot of green. I'm I'm

677
00:56:35,119 --> 00:56:41,359
pleased and this is the first heard
about an urban forest strategy or town

678
00:56:39,200 --> 00:56:44,640
forest strategy. This is a huge that
would be huge for us because I feel like

679
00:56:43,040 --> 00:56:52,079
we there's so many effects from the
heat. Um that more trees, more park

680
00:56:49,359 --> 00:56:56,480
space, which makes camp so much more
enjoyable and livable. Um so when we're

681
00:56:54,960 --> 00:57:00,240
talking about land use, and this has
probably nothing to do with program

682
00:56:58,319 --> 00:57:06,799
based housing, but I just wanted to
mention that it's of a concern to uh me

683
00:57:03,680 --> 00:57:13,119
and I'm thinking others in Kentville. Um
but I guess also because I'm trying to

684
00:57:08,720 --> 00:57:18,559
come up to on all this too. Um, and I'm
not really very knowledgeable on how

685
00:57:16,880 --> 00:57:22,960
many of these different types of program
based housing are in existence in camp

686
00:57:20,640 --> 00:57:30,000
right now. I I didn't even know about
Nexus. I'm sorry, but it sounds awesome.

687
00:57:26,079 --> 00:57:35,839
Um, I I I guess I'm wondering what scale
are we right now? And just just to put

688
00:57:33,440 --> 00:57:38,720
it in context. So that's probably one of
my first questions, but so why don't you

689
00:57:38,400 --> 00:57:41,720
try?
>> Yeah,

690
00:57:42,559 --> 00:57:48,640
» the first thing you mentioned was seeing
the amount of residential designated

691
00:57:47,359 --> 00:57:53,920
areas up there and being surprised by
that. What did you do about it?

692
00:57:51,680 --> 00:57:55,839
» Well, is this what it is now?
>> That's that's currently what it's

693
00:57:55,440 --> 00:58:00,559
designated.
>> This is future land use. So I thought so

694
00:57:58,480 --> 00:58:05,599
what's the land use? Is it pretty much
the same? And now probably it's closer

695
00:58:03,520 --> 00:58:08,799
to what we have for the ladies the
zoning mount that reflects currently

696
00:58:08,160 --> 00:58:11,119
there.
>> Okay.

697
00:58:09,599 --> 00:58:18,480
» So you see stuff like the
>> this is just so a lot of that orange and

698
00:58:13,760 --> 00:58:22,640
the future uses now that's
>> it includes both currently developed and

699
00:58:20,799 --> 00:58:26,640
land set aside for future development.
>> Okay. So, and this ties into the

700
00:58:25,119 --> 00:58:30,079
question you had about park space as
well for some of those larger losses.

701
00:58:28,720 --> 00:58:33,839
There's quite a few of them around the
double road particular part that hasn't

702
00:58:32,079 --> 00:58:38,640
been completed yet. When those
eventually if if and when they're

703
00:58:36,000 --> 00:58:41,200
developed uh will be parkland dedication
as as a part of that subdivision

704
00:58:40,319 --> 00:58:46,960
process.
>> So, you see more park plan

705
00:58:43,920 --> 00:58:50,319
as required as part of that.
>> I know the parks is also parks parks and

706
00:58:48,960 --> 00:58:54,319
recck department is also looking at
their own strategy.

707
00:58:52,400 --> 00:58:58,799
So that may may well address some of the
issues that you have in terms of how

708
00:58:57,200 --> 00:59:02,000
much we have and where we have it. Like
if there's if there's a need a future

709
00:59:00,480 --> 00:59:06,480
need for it, if there's current need for
it, where should it be? How much should

710
00:59:03,440 --> 00:59:10,799
it be? What kind should it be? So that
would be part of their their more their

711
00:59:08,960 --> 00:59:15,200
real.
>> Um so

712
00:59:13,280 --> 00:59:21,640
have an environmental
or climate change

713
00:59:18,319 --> 00:59:21,640
for res

714
00:59:21,920 --> 00:59:26,400
I just don't know.
>> No, we we don't have a committee for

715
00:59:24,319 --> 00:59:30,480
that for that particular purpose. We
have just hired a new staff member, the

716
00:59:28,720 --> 00:59:35,200
climate action coordinator who's
updating a lot of the work that we've

717
00:59:31,920 --> 00:59:39,680
done in the past. Uh and actually she's
currently doing public engagement on on

718
00:59:37,040 --> 00:59:43,200
some of those issues right now. So, uh
it'll be on our website presence and

719
00:59:41,839 --> 00:59:48,400
will be on her social media presence
where she's giving a little SC to talk

720
00:59:45,760 --> 00:59:51,400
about that. So, that's that's a current
project.

721
00:59:52,240 --> 00:59:57,880
Can you explain that to me again?
>> How many programies?

722
01:00:00,720 --> 01:00:06,440
» There are many categories.
>> I don't even know if we have any or

723
01:00:06,559 --> 01:00:11,599
» I I'm not going to name them, but I know
there's at least four there. There's

724
01:00:09,599 --> 01:00:16,559
there's there's youth based, there's
women's family shelter,

725
01:00:13,359 --> 01:00:20,240
» there's homeless homelessness,
>> and I'm not there's any others. There's

726
01:00:18,240 --> 01:00:24,319
probably I can't think about something I
haven't

727
01:00:22,160 --> 01:00:28,960
» there's three or four at least different
types and there's some that we like

728
01:00:27,359 --> 01:00:32,319
again for corrections they don't
typically let us know where the

729
01:00:30,319 --> 01:00:35,119
facilities are
>> the privacy aspect of those are

730
01:00:34,000 --> 01:00:41,319
important so
>> and they work under different

731
01:00:38,319 --> 01:00:41,319
rules

732
01:00:43,680 --> 01:00:47,640
» and my last

733
01:00:48,480 --> 01:00:51,480
understand

734
01:00:51,839 --> 01:00:59,599
it. So it's a lot to take in. Um are you
saying that you're trying to put

735
01:00:56,960 --> 01:01:03,920
emergency shelters under the institution
as opposed to under so that's been

736
01:01:01,920 --> 01:01:09,480
separated?
>> That's correct.

737
01:01:05,119 --> 01:01:09,480
» That's one of the main points.

738
01:01:17,040 --> 01:01:19,680
» Sorry.

739
01:01:21,440 --> 01:01:31,760
uh Kathy Maxwell Avenue. Um so I just
want to clarify here all those little

740
01:01:28,240 --> 01:01:40,000
red slivers that are in amongst the pink
and the yellow are R3 within an R1 or R2

741
01:01:37,040 --> 01:01:45,280
area. Is that correct?
>> Many of them.

742
01:01:40,960 --> 01:01:50,799
» Many of them. Okay. Okay. So in the R3
um we could put supportive housing and

743
01:01:48,319 --> 01:01:56,319
our definition says longerterm housing
with ongoing supports that may include

744
01:01:54,079 --> 01:02:01,559
mental health services and addiction
supports.

745
01:01:58,559 --> 01:02:01,559
So

746
01:02:01,599 --> 01:02:12,720
how much support
is going to be in a residence that has

747
01:02:10,000 --> 01:02:21,200
mental health and addiction issues? Is
it two hours a day? Is it 24 hours a

748
01:02:16,160 --> 01:02:28,559
day? 365 days a year. How much support
is in that? Because to me that that

749
01:02:25,040 --> 01:02:34,599
makes a big difference if that home is
with mental health and addictions

750
01:02:31,599 --> 01:02:34,599
issues.

751
01:02:38,000 --> 01:02:44,480
» Thank you for the question. I understand
the concern. Um

752
01:02:41,920 --> 01:02:47,920
I have to go back to uh what planning
can do and what we have to do to stay in

753
01:02:46,000 --> 01:02:52,240
our lane with that. When it comes to the
actual operations of these facilities

754
01:02:50,480 --> 01:02:57,119
that's that's outside of what we can
really regulate that would come down to

755
01:02:53,839 --> 01:03:01,040
different bodies sometimes
sometimes perhaps independent but it

756
01:02:58,799 --> 01:03:06,960
would be it's outside of what I can do
as a planner to really speak to how

757
01:03:03,040 --> 01:03:14,119
those those organizations run their run
their business run their service. So we

758
01:03:09,839 --> 01:03:14,119
have no control over the amount

759
01:03:14,480 --> 01:03:19,599
» um
not through the land use bylaw or

760
01:03:18,000 --> 01:03:24,079
through municipal planning strategy.
There may be other ways that council

761
01:03:21,039 --> 01:03:27,920
could speak to either at the provincial
level to determine what what what they

762
01:03:26,079 --> 01:03:33,559
what council feels is appropriate levels
of service, but it it's beyond that. I

763
01:03:30,240 --> 01:03:33,559
can't suggest

764
01:03:48,720 --> 01:03:56,799
Good evening. Good evening. My name is
Fred. Um, first of all, you've got a

765
01:03:53,520 --> 01:04:02,079
hell of a job.
Um, I'm just there a question, right?

766
01:04:00,079 --> 01:04:10,160
You've got all this zoning going back
and forth. Um, if I to sell my property

767
01:04:07,359 --> 01:04:15,440
and it's an R2,
but I figure by enhancing to enhance the

768
01:04:12,799 --> 01:04:21,839
value, I'm going to make an R3. I'm
going to apply for an R3.

769
01:04:17,839 --> 01:04:28,720
What do I have to show you? One, for me
to get to an R3. Um, and two, um, do I

770
01:04:26,160 --> 01:04:31,720
have to have a development plan?
Anyhow,

771
01:04:34,400 --> 01:04:41,599
So individual property owners always
have the ability to come in and to

772
01:04:38,000 --> 01:04:44,720
apply. In this case with Dub
there your there your there are two

773
01:04:42,720 --> 01:04:50,160
property R3
um it an application may be received

774
01:04:48,160 --> 01:04:55,440
that has a specific development in mind
or it doesn't it doesn't have doesn't

775
01:04:52,240 --> 01:04:58,960
have to. So you may be looking to
improve the value of your property by

776
01:04:56,960 --> 01:05:03,680
doing that and allow for different
development opportunities in the future

777
01:05:01,200 --> 01:05:09,359
by by developer. They see the value in
that. Um the application itself uh would

778
01:05:07,920 --> 01:05:12,960
there's there's different policies that
apply if you if you have a development

779
01:05:11,440 --> 01:05:17,440
particular development mind or if you
don't. So there's a path either way. So

780
01:05:16,319 --> 01:05:21,520
we believe it should be a matter of
bringing that forward. Council would

781
01:05:18,880 --> 01:05:27,440
consider what you're trying to do there
and would weigh the merits of it based

782
01:05:25,440 --> 01:05:33,960
on what we have in policy the criteria
that they have to follow uh to look at

783
01:05:29,839 --> 01:05:33,960
it. So Right.

784
01:05:50,160 --> 01:05:55,400
Right. You're looking at the potential
future potential

785
01:05:57,280 --> 01:06:02,160
» between staff and council both have that
role to

786
01:06:10,480 --> 01:06:14,359
Yeah. Whatever you need to do.

787
01:06:15,760 --> 01:06:22,960
My name is Dave Ritzy. Uh I live in
downtown Kentville. Run a business in

788
01:06:20,960 --> 01:06:26,000
downtown Kentville. I think it's fair to
many that we're in fight fight for our

789
01:06:24,400 --> 01:06:29,680
lives and our livelihood in the downtown
Kentville area. I just want to talk

790
01:06:28,000 --> 01:06:33,359
about the competitive environment that I
see ahead. And I think it's you've got

791
01:06:31,599 --> 01:06:37,599
the Donald Hills connector project in
Kentville. You've got the Numinus South

792
01:06:35,920 --> 01:06:41,680
project in Numinus. I think we're in a a
two decade fight for growth and

793
01:06:39,920 --> 01:06:46,000
development in this area. And my
question to you Darren and your team, to

794
01:06:43,839 --> 01:06:50,079
what extent have you looked at uh some
sort of competitive analysis or

795
01:06:47,599 --> 01:06:53,599
comparables in terms of your your
biologics and will they sustain us for

796
01:06:51,839 --> 01:06:57,880
for the next two decades and are they
competitive with new minus

797
01:07:02,480 --> 01:07:05,480
feedback

798
01:07:06,799 --> 01:07:14,640
to keep it grounded.
>> We can't do that for long enough.

799
01:07:10,960 --> 01:07:19,039
» Um so in terms of looking at potential
economic growth in particular or general

800
01:07:17,280 --> 01:07:24,319
growth, what are you thinking?
>> Uh both.

801
01:07:21,119 --> 01:07:30,480
» The the the uh the new the plan review
that we're working towards We'll have uh

802
01:07:27,359 --> 01:07:35,599
both in terms of a residential growth uh
analysis that's being completed as well

803
01:07:32,480 --> 01:07:39,359
as an economic development one. Um we're
hiring new economic development staff

804
01:07:37,680 --> 01:07:43,920
shortly who should help be able to help
with that process as well and a new

805
01:07:41,440 --> 01:07:46,799
committee uh for economic development as
well. So there's there's a couple

806
01:07:45,839 --> 01:07:51,359
different ways that that's being
approached. Um, and from my point of

807
01:07:49,039 --> 01:07:55,520
view, we definitely want a good sense of
of what's happening in the area to make

808
01:07:53,440 --> 01:08:01,520
sure the chemical's position well to to
grow um in at least at the same terms

809
01:07:58,799 --> 01:08:05,760
that the the surrounding region is um
and hopefully use advantages that we

810
01:08:03,599 --> 01:08:08,880
have here as a town to to rise above
that mean. So, there will be

811
01:08:07,520 --> 01:08:12,880
opportunities for that and we'll be
doing that through um again as we work

812
01:08:11,680 --> 01:08:17,759
through what this this business
community is going to help us with, what

813
01:08:14,799 --> 01:08:21,279
the new business position um
as well as with our current economic

814
01:08:19,520 --> 01:08:26,159
home staff to to look at how that goes
forward. We know there's some changes in

815
01:08:23,359 --> 01:08:30,159
how we're looking at regional business
um the regional business environment

816
01:08:28,880 --> 01:08:34,640
basically and we're looking to move more
as a town ourselves with that. U so but

817
01:08:33,359 --> 01:08:39,359
certainly with the plan review there's
an opportunity to to focus in on that

818
01:08:37,359 --> 01:08:42,960
and determine what when we when we need
to determine how much space we need to

819
01:08:41,359 --> 01:08:47,759
set aside for commercial growth in the
town. That's part of that question as

820
01:08:44,560 --> 01:08:53,839
well. So what we see on the the chief
alumn for commercial

821
01:08:50,880 --> 01:08:57,600
um is important to that may change based
on especially with Donald Tilts if

822
01:08:55,759 --> 01:09:02,560
there's opportunities for said I talked
about the excuse but also just specific

823
01:09:00,239 --> 01:09:06,000
commercial growth along Donald Tilts it
be it'll be interesting to see how

824
01:09:04,080 --> 01:09:10,080
council will want to handle that as we
go forward. Yeah, I I know our business

825
01:09:08,400 --> 01:09:13,839
is looking very closely at new line of
South. We like the fact that it's

826
01:09:11,679 --> 01:09:17,040
commercial and residential and I think
you're introducing institutional into

827
01:09:15,600 --> 01:09:20,000
the Donald Hills built area. You were
talking about institutional

828
01:09:18,239 --> 01:09:24,400
» potentially. Yeah, that's we're looking
at the right mix for there. So, the the

829
01:09:22,799 --> 01:09:29,040
feedback we get from the public as we
work up our our plan review will help

830
01:09:26,719 --> 01:09:32,560
inform that as well. Uh we'll be talking
with the property owners that are that

831
01:09:31,120 --> 01:09:37,920
have large tracks of property in that
area as well. And of course, council

832
01:09:34,480 --> 01:09:43,560
will have their opportunity to influence
and eventually sign off on how they want

833
01:09:39,839 --> 01:09:43,560
that to go going forward.

834
01:09:45,839 --> 01:09:51,719
» Anyone who hasn't already spoken or
asked questions.

835
01:10:01,760 --> 01:10:10,400
» Good evening everyone. I'm Pat Norton. I
live in Kentville and have for 40ome

836
01:10:07,120 --> 01:10:16,000
years. Um I have lots and lots of
questions and my questions are always

837
01:10:12,719 --> 01:10:21,120
around context, definitions, process and
organizational structure and I probably

838
01:10:18,480 --> 01:10:25,840
have 10 or 12 questions in each of that
those categories and I know there's not

839
01:10:23,760 --> 01:10:30,719
time for that here tonight and that's
not the intent and you know I expect

840
01:10:28,800 --> 01:10:36,560
other people must have you know many of
the same questions that I do. So,

841
01:10:34,560 --> 01:10:42,800
I'll try and wrap that up in one
question that I have specifically with

842
01:10:39,760 --> 01:10:49,880
um regard to definitions. I'm just
wondering what your definition of public

843
01:10:46,400 --> 01:10:49,880
review is.

844
01:10:53,520 --> 01:11:00,800
» Public review is something that's
mandated by the province that we have to

845
01:10:57,840 --> 01:11:04,000
um engage in. Uh the current public
review process with these types of

846
01:11:02,320 --> 01:11:09,679
applications would be something just
like this public participation meeting.

847
01:11:06,800 --> 01:11:14,000
Uh we then send it through a couple
rounds of review through the plan

848
01:11:11,280 --> 01:11:16,960
advisory committee. Then back to council
and then council determines whether or

849
01:11:15,600 --> 01:11:20,800
not they want to move forward with a
given application and which time there

850
01:11:18,560 --> 01:11:25,040
be a public hearing which would be a
second opportunity for the public to

851
01:11:23,840 --> 01:11:28,159
give them a little more time to think
about what's being proposed to come back

852
01:11:26,560 --> 01:11:33,360
and share their thoughts at that point.
So that's the basic and u should the

853
01:11:31,120 --> 01:11:37,360
public feel that council not is not
upholding their policies in certain

854
01:11:35,520 --> 01:11:40,719
circumstances or opportunities for the
for the public to reach out and to

855
01:11:39,280 --> 01:11:45,360
appeal a decision that's made by
council. So there's there's a couple

856
01:11:43,440 --> 01:11:49,280
different levels of of review of the
code along with that. But that's that's

857
01:11:47,280 --> 01:11:55,080
the basic process that we work under
with the municipal government act as a

858
01:11:52,080 --> 01:11:55,080
town.

859
01:11:56,719 --> 01:12:05,280
response to that. Um, just having
observed the interactions here tonight,

860
01:12:02,560 --> 01:12:11,199
um, most of them involved three or four
at least interactions back and forth.

861
01:12:08,719 --> 01:12:16,480
And I always have said that
communication begins with the response

862
01:12:13,199 --> 01:12:21,199
to the response. So, I said something,
then you said something. We still can't

863
01:12:19,840 --> 01:12:24,960
determine that we've actually
communicated because I may have heard or

864
01:12:23,199 --> 01:12:30,080
understood nothing of what you said and
vice versa. So it's really only from the

865
01:12:28,080 --> 01:12:35,199
point of the response to the response on
that you actually have any

866
01:12:31,520 --> 01:12:41,520
communication. So, I'm wondering, you
know, just in your explanation of what

867
01:12:38,880 --> 01:12:47,800
the public review process is intended to
look like,

868
01:12:43,199 --> 01:12:47,800
is it intended to involve communication?

869
01:12:52,080 --> 01:12:59,440
If I understand it correctly, your
question correctly. Um, communication in

870
01:12:57,360 --> 01:13:03,679
the sense that materials are provided to
the public based on the application

871
01:13:01,360 --> 01:13:08,320
itself that we communicate the
opportunities for the public to engage

872
01:13:06,480 --> 01:13:16,000
whether or not they want to speak in
front of the mic at whichever occasion

873
01:13:10,800 --> 01:13:20,080
that may participation meeting or a
public hearing. and also to make sure

874
01:13:18,480 --> 01:13:24,239
that we have open lines of communication
in terms of being able to receive

875
01:13:21,840 --> 01:13:28,560
correspondence through email as well. So
there's not again not everyone wants to

876
01:13:26,080 --> 01:13:31,920
speak in front of the mic. Um, I've
gotten used to it a little bit. Um, but

877
01:13:30,719 --> 01:13:37,280
I'm I'm not typically a person who
enjoys this myself. But, um, so there's

878
01:13:35,440 --> 01:13:41,679
different opportunities for the public
to provide their information

879
01:13:39,920 --> 01:13:47,520
and for us to communicate what we're
trying to achieve through the post. U

880
01:13:45,280 --> 01:13:53,360
this this is this is the town initiative
initiative. um when when I'm presenting

881
01:13:51,600 --> 01:13:58,960
uh from the town's point of view for for
an application for whether for reszoning

882
01:13:56,080 --> 01:14:01,760
u or reddes designation
it's a different process because you

883
01:14:00,480 --> 01:14:07,280
have the applicant up here as well
speaking um

884
01:14:04,800 --> 01:14:12,480
so do you think that answered your
question

885
01:14:09,679 --> 01:14:17,760
» um
yes I I would say I would say you've

886
01:14:15,760 --> 01:14:23,199
answered my question I don't think you
satisfied my concerns.

887
01:14:20,880 --> 01:14:30,320
So
what what I saw on the slide is that we

888
01:14:26,159 --> 01:14:35,280
have 10 days to send in a written
comment. No guarantee of any response

889
01:14:33,360 --> 01:14:39,360
coming back.
uh in terms of

890
01:14:37,600 --> 01:14:43,520
if it was me and I think anybody else
here, if we were hoping to make some

891
01:14:41,679 --> 01:14:50,800
sort of an intelligent comment and
submit it, we would have to, you know,

892
01:14:46,560 --> 01:14:55,120
have broad-based information. And I've
been to a lot of these meetings in

893
01:14:52,880 --> 01:15:00,880
various counties and in this province,
and I've been involved in some national

894
01:14:58,000 --> 01:15:04,920
groups on some of these things as well.
And um

895
01:15:05,679 --> 01:15:14,480
it just
what what seems to be standard practice

896
01:15:10,640 --> 01:15:18,960
is this siloed approach. So you can only
answer questions about this and somebody

897
01:15:17,199 --> 01:15:24,400
else can only answer questions about
that and everybody has to stay in their

898
01:15:20,880 --> 01:15:30,880
lane. But
that really is not

899
01:15:27,120 --> 01:15:37,440
a context in which people can make any
informed opinions or formulate any

900
01:15:34,080 --> 01:15:42,280
intelligent questions. So I'm just
wondering how we get around that.

901
01:15:44,080 --> 01:15:50,719
I'll say straight up. I don't know if I
can answer that question. Um

902
01:15:49,600 --> 01:15:53,520
who else would you want to have in the
room tonight?

903
01:15:56,080 --> 01:16:04,520
It's not about who's in the room. It's
about what happens in the room.

904
01:16:01,520 --> 01:16:04,520
And

905
01:16:05,840 --> 01:16:12,960
I would like it would be sufficient to
have just who's in the room if they had

906
01:16:11,040 --> 01:16:15,920
all the information.
But if they don't have all the

907
01:16:14,239 --> 01:16:19,040
information and we need all the
information, then then there would be

908
01:16:17,520 --> 01:16:24,560
other people that would need to be in
the room for sure. But I don't know who

909
01:16:21,199 --> 01:16:32,000
they are because if you don't know, I
sure don't know, you know. And

910
01:16:28,719 --> 01:16:36,960
so it this does not seem like a process
really designed for anything that I

911
01:16:34,159 --> 01:16:42,280
would call a meaningful public
engagement.

912
01:16:38,880 --> 01:16:42,280
Would you agree?

913
01:16:44,000 --> 01:16:49,120
» Uh the purpose of tonight's meeting was
stated at the beginning. I know we

914
01:16:47,280 --> 01:16:53,040
weren't a little bit late coming in, but
we are here to hear from the people.

915
01:16:51,440 --> 01:16:57,360
Yes, Darren's here to answer questions
and he can only answer questions based

916
01:16:54,800 --> 01:17:01,679
on his role. That's just how it is. We
can't answer questions that are that are

917
01:16:59,840 --> 01:17:06,960
appropriate for the province or other
other bodies. We we do have to stay in

918
01:17:04,239 --> 01:17:11,840
our role, you know. So, if you have
questions for Darren about program based

919
01:17:09,520 --> 01:17:17,120
housing or the changes that may be
considered by council going forward,

920
01:17:13,679 --> 01:17:22,800
we're happy to hear them. Um, but we can
only answer the questions we can answer.

921
01:17:20,960 --> 01:17:26,880
Let's not shout out from the audience,
please. And thanks. That was on the

922
01:17:24,159 --> 01:17:30,960
rules at the beginning. I appreciate it.
Thank you. Do you have any other

923
01:17:28,800 --> 01:17:38,760
questions about program based housing or
this this topic for

924
01:17:34,640 --> 01:17:38,760
» Okay, thank you. You have

925
01:17:38,960 --> 01:17:45,280
» um
you know,

926
01:17:42,239 --> 01:17:52,000
we use these terms but but they're they
lack specificity. So in terms of

927
01:17:48,239 --> 01:17:57,280
programbased housing and I know that
your area is more about land use but I

928
01:17:55,280 --> 01:18:02,239
used to work for people works. So that
was a program that was available and a

929
01:17:59,360 --> 01:18:09,280
very successful one for people who had
various challenges. Um that's been shut

930
01:18:05,760 --> 01:18:14,719
down. Everywhere I look, it seems that
programs are being shut down. And we've

931
01:18:12,719 --> 01:18:20,000
had various of these types of meetings
here over the last year and had some

932
01:18:17,280 --> 01:18:25,679
very eloquent speakers telling us about
long waits to get mental health services

933
01:18:22,320 --> 01:18:31,840
and addiction services. And you know, so
we talk about program-based housing, but

934
01:18:29,760 --> 01:18:36,199
I'm just wondering
is there any substance to that?

935
01:18:43,600 --> 01:18:50,080
Okay. Um,
respectfully, uh, the I know there have

936
01:18:48,880 --> 01:18:53,920
been meetings in here that have been put
on by the provincial government which

937
01:18:51,840 --> 01:18:58,960
have looked at a broader range of topics
than what I I brought forward tonight.

938
01:18:56,080 --> 01:19:03,120
My team was brought forward. Um, so we
we do recognize that there's is a much

939
01:19:00,960 --> 01:19:10,560
larger project or much larger
processing. uh much greater uh breadth

940
01:19:08,400 --> 01:19:16,800
of knowledge that is required to address
some of these issues. We've taken our

941
01:19:13,920 --> 01:19:21,840
plan our planning or our land use uh
lens to this and uh again together with

942
01:19:20,320 --> 01:19:27,920
council. We've looked at some of these
issues on dealing with some of the

943
01:19:24,400 --> 01:19:31,679
challenges that the town faces. Um there
may be other avenues. I'm aware that

944
01:19:30,000 --> 01:19:37,199
there's a new committee that the that
the minister Lore has put together to

945
01:19:34,239 --> 01:19:43,520
talk about some of these things. Um so I
mean there are efforts that are

946
01:19:38,400 --> 01:19:48,719
happening. I'm not privy to all of those
uh but I I do interact with those who

947
01:19:46,640 --> 01:19:52,480
who do have some greater knowledge on
those things. So there are conversations

948
01:19:50,159 --> 01:19:57,120
that are happening but we're not
representing that broader consortium

949
01:19:54,640 --> 01:20:03,679
tonight of ideas that are looking into
these issues. Um so unfortunately

950
01:20:01,360 --> 01:20:09,040
it's probably not satisfactory but my
lane is explaining and uh that's that's

951
01:20:07,120 --> 01:20:12,159
the lens that we put on this for tonight
at least. There may be other top

952
01:20:10,480 --> 01:20:16,159
opportunities in the future where a
broader group can be brought together

953
01:20:14,159 --> 01:20:19,400
but that wasn't part of my mandate for
this evening.

954
01:20:21,280 --> 01:20:29,640
So final question, will you be
responding to written comments that

955
01:20:24,960 --> 01:20:29,640
you're hoping to receive within 10 days?

956
01:20:32,560 --> 01:20:37,400
» Questions. Um it

957
01:20:38,239 --> 01:20:43,199
when we receive written comments, we
we'll definitely acknowledge that

958
01:20:41,440 --> 01:20:47,360
they've come in. what we typically do
and what we do with all the comments

959
01:20:44,560 --> 01:20:51,360
from this evening. Um we don't sign up
to the individuals. We we try to distill

960
01:20:50,000 --> 01:20:55,920
some of the meaning out of it, the
common themes that we've heard and then

961
01:20:53,199 --> 01:21:00,800
take those forward to council. Um so if
there are questions that are specific to

962
01:20:58,080 --> 01:21:06,320
me or to the department, um I will
certainly answer them. Uh

963
01:21:03,920 --> 01:21:09,520
the 10 the 10day window of time that
we've talked about, we should depending

964
01:21:08,159 --> 01:21:13,760
on the questions that we get and whether
or not we can answer them appropriately,

965
01:21:10,960 --> 01:21:18,040
we'll c respond to them at some point.
So, I'll have to wait for questions.

966
01:21:22,159 --> 01:21:29,400
» Anyone we haven't heard from yet, I
would like an opportunity to ask a

967
01:21:25,600 --> 01:21:29,400
question or make a comment.

968
01:21:30,080 --> 01:21:38,960
» Okay. Uh Lloyd, uh we did say in the
beginning it's a oneshot deal. Um so, if

969
01:21:36,960 --> 01:21:44,080
if it's a quick one, I'll let you up
here, but I don't want to

970
01:21:41,440 --> 01:21:46,960
form style. What we will do is encourage
you if you have thoughts after the

971
01:21:45,600 --> 01:21:50,880
meeting or if there's something you
didn't have an opportunity to say, use

972
01:21:48,880 --> 01:21:55,520
that email address that's uh planning
at.ca or grab one of D's cards with his

973
01:21:53,520 --> 01:22:00,480
name on the way out and we'll do our
best to uh accommodate you.

974
01:21:58,880 --> 01:22:05,520
» I think we learned something tonight
that uh just slid right by everybody and

975
01:22:03,120 --> 01:22:09,440
I'm really disappointed to hear this. Uh
Dave Ry just told us we're going to lose

976
01:22:07,600 --> 01:22:13,679
a longstanding business in the dam.
>> Not just one.

977
01:22:10,480 --> 01:22:18,080
» Okay guys, we're not doing this.
>> Okay. So I'm um I'm personally

978
01:22:16,480 --> 01:22:23,440
disappointed to hear this because I
think that's not a good sign.

979
01:22:21,520 --> 01:22:28,719
But really what I put my hand up about
is I want to drill down on Fred's

980
01:22:25,520 --> 01:22:35,440
question about R3 because I don't think
you uh answered it. Um

981
01:22:33,920 --> 01:22:41,120
our
Are the council presented with something

982
01:22:37,760 --> 01:22:46,960
that um they don't know what the plan
is? Like are they supposed to approve

983
01:22:43,280 --> 01:22:52,000
something without a plan for R3? Like it
it seems pretty vague to me, you know,

984
01:22:49,360 --> 01:22:59,840
and I don't think that was answered. Am
I correct? Am I right, Fred?

985
01:22:56,560 --> 01:23:03,239
» Yeah, I understand.
You got to stay

986
01:23:14,400 --> 01:23:23,920
as
if I'm

987
01:23:19,520 --> 01:23:31,199
question asked to change my destination
to the only reason I'm doing that is to

988
01:23:27,040 --> 01:23:38,239
enhance my value it
your your job is not to help me enhance

989
01:23:34,560 --> 01:23:43,440
my real estate value by creating. So the
answer to what is the answer to that?

990
01:23:40,080 --> 01:23:46,840
How are you going to make sure it's
a new trick

991
01:23:51,600 --> 01:23:56,679
to
everybody?

992
01:23:56,719 --> 01:23:59,719
Precisely.

993
01:24:02,800 --> 01:24:10,400
Thank you for both questions. Um I go
back to the point that individual

994
01:24:08,320 --> 01:24:15,679
property owners have the right to
investigate how they may improve their

995
01:24:13,280 --> 01:24:18,159
properties. Um they can resone. That's
one way to do it. They can do different

996
01:24:16,960 --> 01:24:23,679
things with development on their
properties to improve it. Um we staff

997
01:24:21,199 --> 01:24:28,320
look at the criteria for for reszoning.
If it meets those criteria, then we

998
01:24:26,000 --> 01:24:31,760
would probably recommend it to council
to consider and then they would look at

999
01:24:29,920 --> 01:24:36,080
the same criteria and make their own
evaluation.

1000
01:24:33,280 --> 01:24:40,239
That's the process as it stands. So, I
don't know if I can be any clearer than

1001
01:24:37,840 --> 01:24:43,440
that, but it's open to every property
owner to

1002
01:24:41,360 --> 01:24:46,440
» do
that.

1003
01:24:47,679 --> 01:24:52,560
No, there's two there's two paths for
that. one that has a development

1004
01:24:50,880 --> 01:24:56,280
attached to it and one that is more
speculative in nature.

1005
01:24:56,320 --> 01:24:59,639
» Yeah, that's

1006
01:25:00,080 --> 01:25:08,199
» it's I think it's often good to see what
someone has to do, but it's not required

1007
01:25:05,199 --> 01:25:08,199
under

1008
01:25:10,639 --> 01:25:14,440
» their intent is not

1009
01:25:21,040 --> 01:25:27,600
Noted. Thank you. Um, again, we have to
follow our criteria when we're doing it,

1010
01:25:25,199 --> 01:25:33,719
otherwise we're not doing our jobs.
>> So, that's that's basically where that

1011
01:25:29,360 --> 01:25:33,719
lands. Thank you.

1012
01:25:37,520 --> 01:25:43,120
» Last call. Anyone we have not heard from
that would like to make a comment or ask

1013
01:25:40,800 --> 01:25:46,560
a question about program based housing
or

1014
01:25:44,960 --> 01:25:52,679
this particular process that we're
undergoing? Sure.

1015
01:25:49,120 --> 01:25:52,679
Come on up, Jackie.

1016
01:25:53,760 --> 01:25:59,600
» The question is, um, the province we
know has lots of initiatives. We know

1017
01:25:58,080 --> 01:26:06,000
all about what was going to be happening
down there by the marsh a while ago.

1018
01:26:02,480 --> 01:26:13,679
What um capacity does the town, our
council have to respond or control or

1019
01:26:10,320 --> 01:26:18,400
change or anything at all with with
provincial

1020
01:26:15,600 --> 01:26:22,239
attempts because
we all know what the province is doing

1021
01:26:20,320 --> 01:26:26,159
to Kentville with with mainstreaming a
lot of needs here and we have service.

1022
01:26:23,600 --> 01:26:29,040
We've all heard all of that stuff and
and then we hear people complaining

1023
01:26:28,080 --> 01:26:33,760
about Kentle's not doing enough.
Kentle's not doing enough. And I'm not

1024
01:26:30,960 --> 01:26:39,120
saying that. My question is what what
control do you have over what happens in

1025
01:26:36,639 --> 01:26:43,239
our town with program based housing
especially initiatives that

1026
01:26:49,920 --> 01:26:57,440
it's a very broad question in many ways
but I'll do my best with it. Um the

1027
01:26:54,480 --> 01:27:01,840
province obviously has its own uh agenda
and mandate for carrying out the duties

1028
01:26:59,679 --> 01:27:09,199
that it's been assigned and that it's
been elected based on the um

1029
01:27:07,040 --> 01:27:14,480
uh they they also have powers above what
the town has to achieve the goals that

1030
01:27:11,120 --> 01:27:19,280
they want to achieve. Um sometimes they
work closely with the town on certain

1031
01:27:16,400 --> 01:27:23,679
projects. Sometimes it's it's less less
of a close arrangement. We're usually

1032
01:27:21,440 --> 01:27:29,280
aware of things that are happening but
again I I don't have full 360 view of

1033
01:27:26,639 --> 01:27:34,000
what's happening. Um I have my own
department that I'm mostly focused on.

1034
01:27:31,600 --> 01:27:39,199
Um sometimes there's opportunities to
work with the province on things

1035
01:27:36,400 --> 01:27:43,080
and they contact me or our department to
for that respect. So

1036
01:27:44,320 --> 01:27:51,520
» can I ask that question to clarify?
>> Sure. Sure. Um, and again, I know so

1037
01:27:49,920 --> 01:27:54,480
very little about this, so I'm coming at
it with a good heart, but I just want to

1038
01:27:52,960 --> 01:28:00,480
know
when R1 or R2 is for sale. Can the

1039
01:27:57,120 --> 01:28:06,719
province come in, purchase it,
do whatever their plan is with that, and

1040
01:28:02,480 --> 01:28:09,719
not follow town bylaws because it's
province.

1041
01:28:11,440 --> 01:28:20,719
» The province does have powers above our
our bylaws that that they can come in.

1042
01:28:16,480 --> 01:28:25,199
um and do certain things. Um I don't
know if specifically our one our two

1043
01:28:22,639 --> 01:28:30,080
properties would be sorry for this mic.
Um but they they do have they have an

1044
01:28:28,239 --> 01:28:34,880
ability to override what we have with
our our bylaws and strategies policies

1045
01:28:33,120 --> 01:28:39,440
and things. I'll just leave it at that
because it depends on what I don't know

1046
01:28:36,880 --> 01:28:42,960
what their what their intentions are or
what their agendas are. I can't really

1047
01:28:41,600 --> 01:28:48,320
speak to those.
>> Yeah. I just wonder what type of

1048
01:28:45,760 --> 01:28:54,000
control. We do or don't we have or what
is able to be overwritten and then you

1049
01:28:51,920 --> 01:28:58,400
know we have these meetings and people
share their ideas and maybe get feedback

1050
01:28:55,920 --> 01:29:02,800
they don't but just public do policy is
being followed but then things are going

1051
01:29:00,480 --> 01:29:06,400
to happen anyway they never had control
anyway because there's people above it

1052
01:29:04,400 --> 01:29:11,520
just sort of
is there a limitation to what town is

1053
01:29:08,719 --> 01:29:15,360
able to control the development in the
town

1054
01:29:12,880 --> 01:29:19,840
» we do have a certain level we have a
certain ability for that matter. The

1055
01:29:17,679 --> 01:29:25,040
federal government has powers to come in
and to do as they need to do and they're

1056
01:29:23,120 --> 01:29:28,600
mandating their different levels of
office as well.

1057
01:29:30,159 --> 01:29:38,320
I don't want to get out there. This is
drawn up by the

1058
01:29:35,679 --> 01:29:42,159
right
process flowchart.

1059
01:29:40,239 --> 01:29:48,239
Yeah, that is that is the provincial
>> my question is my thought is the only

1060
01:29:46,159 --> 01:29:52,000
town that's been selected that this is
going to be happen

1061
01:29:50,000 --> 01:29:57,040
» that particular process
>> well the the yeah because what they want

1062
01:29:54,480 --> 01:30:01,239
to implement are the
support homes and all

1063
01:30:01,920 --> 01:30:10,239
you know whatever
when they come from the hospital where

1064
01:30:07,280 --> 01:30:13,840
they're going to go is
the only town that you know of at this

1065
01:30:12,159 --> 01:30:19,360
point that this has been has been
selected that this is going to happen

1066
01:30:16,719 --> 01:30:24,800
because we are not the only town
hospital.

1067
01:30:21,679 --> 01:30:29,840
Middleton has a mental facility down
there that I am aware of.

1068
01:30:27,920 --> 01:30:34,960
» Right. I would say the chemical
situation is not unique in the province.

1069
01:30:32,400 --> 01:30:40,880
Um I would also say that we're one of
the few um local governments that's been

1070
01:30:38,400 --> 01:30:45,760
willing to into this issue and try to
figure out a way to make it work for the

1071
01:30:43,440 --> 01:30:48,719
town. Um, not everyone's doing that.
There's I mentioned a lot of things

1072
01:30:47,280 --> 01:30:54,000
about definitions tonight and the
challenges with definitions. Um, we wish

1073
01:30:52,400 --> 01:30:57,679
that the province had some standard
definitions that we could look to for

1074
01:30:55,520 --> 01:31:01,840
this, but there aren't a lot of there's
not a lot of consensus on how this this

1075
01:31:00,000 --> 01:31:04,800
should be arranged. And so, we're doing
our best to try to work our way through

1076
01:31:03,360 --> 01:31:08,639
it. And that's why you see different
iterations of this this plan, too.

1077
01:31:07,280 --> 01:31:12,880
the one from people fall that we looked
at and we've modified it a bit and we're

1078
01:31:11,280 --> 01:31:16,159
trying to find our way through the some
of these these thorny questions as best

1079
01:31:14,639 --> 01:31:23,800
we can.
>> So it's it's not unique to

1080
01:31:19,840 --> 01:31:23,800
» um I have read something

1081
01:31:27,120 --> 01:31:31,560
as a place for

1082
01:31:32,480 --> 01:31:39,920
housing programs
because are no other facilities between

1083
01:31:38,159 --> 01:31:44,920
us and
so

1084
01:31:41,920 --> 01:31:44,920
was

1085
01:31:45,040 --> 01:31:53,639
designated to
that

1086
01:31:49,920 --> 01:31:53,639
» I'm not aware of that

1087
01:31:59,120 --> 01:32:04,080
» I've been involved in applying for some
of these funds so I know a little bit

1088
01:32:02,320 --> 01:32:07,199
about how the province allocates the
funding and I think it could

1089
01:32:06,000 --> 01:32:12,639
for some of the questions that people
are asking.

1090
01:32:09,360 --> 01:32:17,760
The clear difference is it's not the
province that is deciding that Kenville

1091
01:32:15,600 --> 01:32:22,800
will become the service hub or the
province has it designated

1092
01:32:20,239 --> 01:32:28,719
that they will buy certain properties.
It is local service organizations who

1093
01:32:25,840 --> 01:32:33,760
are asking the province and applying for
grants to deliver projects in Ko

1094
01:32:32,000 --> 01:32:39,360
» or whatever community. So it's not
coming from the province to will happen

1095
01:32:35,760 --> 01:32:43,520
in KO. It's local organizations saying
will you fund this for us and this is

1096
01:32:42,000 --> 01:32:48,400
the property that we would like to have
done. So it's a little bit it may seem

1097
01:32:46,800 --> 01:32:54,679
similar but it's not directed that's
coming from the province it's coming

1098
01:32:49,920 --> 01:32:54,679
from the local service organizations.

1099
01:32:58,159 --> 01:33:05,840
» Thank you for that clarification.
Any other comments or questions from

1100
01:33:02,400 --> 01:33:10,320
folks who have not spoken about program
based housing in this process that we're

1101
01:33:07,920 --> 01:33:14,639
undergoing right now?
Okay. I thank you all very much for your

1102
01:33:12,560 --> 01:33:18,639
participation and your engagement this
evening. And I remind you again that if

1103
01:33:16,960 --> 01:33:22,960
you have followup or you think of
something later that you'd like to pass

1104
01:33:20,080 --> 01:33:27,040
along or or ask, then please do that
with the email addresses that are

1105
01:33:24,639 --> 01:33:32,360
provided. And uh have a great rest of
your evening. Let's get this shut off.