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You're still going? To put this

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over here? Let's do it. Good

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evening, ladies and gentlemen.

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The mayor has called the

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meeting to order. Mayor Roscoe,

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present. Council member. Kaplan.

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Present. Council member. Kaplan.

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Still here? Council

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Councilmember. London. Vice

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mayor. Sardinas here. Council

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member. Sawyer here.

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Councilmember Vazquez here. MR.

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Mayor, we do have a quorum.

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Please rise for the Pledge of

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Allegiance and stay standing

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for the invocation afterwards.

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Like I pledge allegiance to the

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flag. United States of America

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and to the Republic for which

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it stands. One nation under GOD,

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indivisible, with liberty and

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justice for all. Pastor. Yes.

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Let's bow our heads to pray.

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Eternal GOD, we are thankful

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for how good you are to all of

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us in our families, in this

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community. We recognize you as

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the one who makes all of this

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possible. Each member of this

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council is here because you

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have ordained them to be here,

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and for this we are thankful.

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So we gather this evening with

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grateful hearts for the

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privilege of serving this

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beautiful island and its people.

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We acknowledge, Father King,

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that true leadership is both

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the responsibility and the gift.

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And we humbly ask for your

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guidance as we step into the

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important work before you,

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before all of us. Ancient of

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days, from ocean's Edge to

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village green, you have planted

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this place and you have called

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leaders to rise. Sustain each

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of them personally and

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professionally. The men and

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women you have chosen to lead

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this community. Are now ready

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to be led by you. Bestow upon

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this Council clarity of purpose.

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Remind us that every voice

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matters and every decision

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shapes a future not yet seen.

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Father GOD, MAY we lead with

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humility and finish with hope.

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Bless this chamber and all the

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people of GOD. Say amen. Amen

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and amen. Thank you. Thank you.

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brief comments by council. I

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would. I would like to offer

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our condolences for our fallen

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police officers. We've had two

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in good succession here. I'm

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sure the police chief was at

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the funeral today representing

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us. So. These fortunately were

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not from our department. But

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obviously we very cognizant of

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the fact that these are

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outstanding men and women that

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protect us at different places.

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So our condolences. For those

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who didn't hear our state rep,

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Vicky Lopez, now goes to the

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Miami-Dade County Commission

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taking the seat that Eileen

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Higgins vacated. So we're going

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to be a little bit orphan from

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of legislature. And so if there

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are people that are interested

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in running, this is the time to

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go, go talk to the speaker and

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the Senate PRESIDENT. Any other

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comments? I would just like to

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make a quick comment. I brought

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this up at the police

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investiture, but for the

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benefit of the general public.

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Halloween, although it seems

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like ages ago, was a tremendous

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success and it was in large

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part due to our police presence,

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keeping everybody safe and a

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watchful eye, but passing

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amongst all the residents and

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all the children. It was truly

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heartwarming. Every family

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would see an officer and run up

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and hug the officer and have a

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whole conversation. It was

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terrific and it's exactly what

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we've always worked for in this

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village. So I'm very grateful

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and very proud. That's all.

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Thank you. Just wanted to thank

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my colleagues for expressions

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of support recently. Thank you

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all. A brief acknowledgment to

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wonderful events I had the

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opportunity to attend just

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recently, one of them being for

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the Key Biscayne Film Festival.

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done in curating an amazing

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lineup. For all the residents

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here in Key Biscayne. I would

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invite everyone to check it out.

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The second one for Bill Baggs

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and the Friends of of Cape

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Florida, also a wonderful event.

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comes together to really help

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to maintain our jewel on this

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island. And just to remind

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everyone, I was reminded, going

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up to the top of the lighthouse,

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of what a beautiful sight that

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is, the incredible history

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behind it, and all the people

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that work so hard to maintain

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it. So I also invite everybody

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to just kind of go back into

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into what we have historically

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right in our backyard. One more

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thing for everyone, hopefully

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feels generous to help out.

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Terrible hurricane that hit

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Jamaica and eastern Cuba. So

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keep that in in your keep them

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in your prayers. And also if

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you could contribute to those

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causes that would be great.

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next item is public comments.

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Okay. I have Charles Sherman.

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Charles Sherman 324 West

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Heather drive. Again, I've come

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to praise commend the Council

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and the administration. For

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years they've been supportive

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of the elderly, our senior

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citizens and active and

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important part of this

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community. Recently, as a

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policy matter, the free classes

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of exercise at the community

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center have been. Now the

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people have been told they need

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to pay $220 for the free

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classes. I'm not sure this is a

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a great policy change if you

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want to be supportive of the

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seniors, largely elderly women.

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classes. There's one lady, 97

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years old, Marilyn Kreisberg,

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who leads one of these classes.

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urge you to go right, and I

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have taken council people there

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because this is an amazing

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woman. $220. You don't think

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it's very much for a community

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like Key Biscayne, wealthy

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community, that classes have

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been halved since that policy

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was put in place in OCTOBER. If

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you go to those classes now,

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they're there a shred of what

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they were. So I'd like to

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council, I'd like the

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administration to give it a

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deep think and try to figure

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out whether there's a way to

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get these ladies back in the

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classes. It's not the light

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exercise, it's the social

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contact. It's the community

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coming together. And now

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they're not coming together. So

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think. Thank you, thank you. Is

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that 220 for a year or a month?

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for a year. But a lot of people

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are only on Key Biscayne, as

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you know, for six months, four

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months, 3 or 4 months. And

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that's a lot of money for 2 or

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3 months. How many classes a

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week do they have? They have

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dozens. So really there's a

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there's a lady. There's a lady

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there named Roxy who is a you

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could you could talk to I think

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you know her and she's she's

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really organized it very well.

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inspiring thing to go to and to

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see these people and they're,

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you know, they spend Maryland,

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for instance, has an hour long

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class. The first 15 minutes,

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the ladies are all gathering

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around, talking and sharing

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whatever they've been doing.

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it's really important to them.

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Okay. We can take that up at

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some point. Thank you. Please

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give it a think. Next speaker,

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a he's got it. Good. I actually

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have two separate things I'm

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going to mention to you. Karen

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one is I'm speaking as my

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position on the Village of Key

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Biscayne Sustainability

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Advisory Board, and I'm

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inviting everyone here to

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please join us tomorrow from 2

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P.M. To 5 P.M. At what is the

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first ever South Florida

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Sustainability Summit that is

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meant for advisory boards from

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municipalities across South

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Florida. Most of the summits

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are regional or national, and

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they really are meant for staff

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or elected officials. We are

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very specifically speaking to

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our counterparts in different

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municipalities. About 6 or 8

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months ago, we started talking

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about our challenges, and we

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know that the challenges that

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we have here are not unique to

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the same for each municipality.

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we can have power in numbers,

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if we share successes, share

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challenges and share resources.

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So we convened a summit. We

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invited 12 different

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municipalities, again from

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across South Florida. We have

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three panels. One is how to get

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things done, which is really

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important, I think, for people

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who are volunteers, members of

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the community, we actually pay

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a play, a very important role

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in moving forward goals and in

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bringing to you issues in our

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community. We have another one

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that is about water management,

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and we have a third one that's

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about waste management. And

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that is of course the bigger

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issue of waste, but also

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recycling events, things like

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that. So it should be really

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great. We have a happy hour

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networking from 5 to 6. So

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please join us tomorrow. Okay.

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Second thing is speaking to

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agenda item ten c on your for

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this evening. I'm quite sure

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that stamped concrete has a

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place somewhere in this country.

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But that place is not here. We

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no longer have the privilege of

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being able to look at or

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consider projects just in in

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its own little box. We have to

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consider the bigger picture.

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And does any project that

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you're approving does it does

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it speak to what we want? Does

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it speak to the longevity? Does

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it speak to the resiliency? And

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does it speak to the health of

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Key Biscayne? When we're little,

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we get to pick a shirt and we

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get to pick shorts and maybe a

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shoe and a sock and we can put

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it all together. But at a

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certain age, we have to look in

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the mirror and go, you know,

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maybe we really need to

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coordinate everything. So

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that's the same thing, I think,

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in how we need to really

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approach these larger projects.

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Approved pilot studies, measure.

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Right. Just stamped concrete.

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Absolutely. Have it be one of

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them. But there are so many

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options right now where we can

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test and measure and make a

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good decision on what that

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spend is. And I don't believe a

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blanket. Let's do the roads and

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let's put solid pavement. Maybe

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because it's a grant that we

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can use, or maybe it's because

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it checks the box. I don't

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think that's the right thing.

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Consider the options, fund a

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few pilot projects, get the

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data, measure it, and then make

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the right decision as we as we

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move forward. So thank you,

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thank you. Elisa Benac. Elise

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Pennock, 772 Ridgewood Road.

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Mayor and council members,

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village manager I just really

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am here on behalf of the

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Disability Advisory Board to

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say thank you for creating that

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new position. We are super

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excited. It's, you know,

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customer what is it? Resident

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experience. Sorry. And we know

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that this person will wear many

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hats. We know that. You know

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one of those will be disability

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and inclusion services. And we

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are fully committed to

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supporting that person. And you

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know guiding them in any way

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that we can. We we are here for

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them and we are incredibly

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hopeful about this. So thank

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you again. And just know that

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we are working really hard.

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We're working. I want to say

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thank you to Todd because they

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bought a beach wheelchair and

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we're working with him on that,

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and we're working very hard.

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And we actually have another

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meeting going on right now. So

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I'm going to leave and go to

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that. But we will keep you

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updated. So thank you. Jan.

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Good evening, mayor, Council

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members and Village Manager Jan

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611 Ocean Drive, Key Biscayne.

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Thank you for the opportunity

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to speak today. I'm the

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treasurer of the Key Biscayne

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Independent and a resident of

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25 years. Though tonight I'm.

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Tonight I'm speaking as a

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resident. I thoughtfully

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request that the council

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examine the the new policy,

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which imposes an arbitrary fee

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for most public records,

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request a fee that was adopted

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without any public discussion.

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Accountability and transparency

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cannot be separated from public

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records. Charging a fee for

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access to information even

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before many any documents are

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produced was attempted.

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Previously in 2023, and it's

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frankly an unreasonable policy.

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It places unnecessary barriers

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between the public and the

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information they are entitled

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to limiting meeting. Excuse me,

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limiting meaningful oversight.

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The Florida Center for

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Government Accountability has

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stated that this policy,

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adopted unilaterally by the

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administration, MAY not comply

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with Florida law. This concern

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is especially urgent tonight,

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since the council prepares to

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vote for a $60 million loan

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application for the largest

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public works project in the

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island's history, imposing new

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fees for information when none

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had been imposed previously

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undermines accountability and

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risks eroding public trust. At

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the precise moment when

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transparency matters most. For

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these reasons, I urge the

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council to direct the manager

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and the clerk to request fees

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only when records are truly

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voluminous, as described in the

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state law. This safeguard is

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essential to maintaining

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transparency, accountability,

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and the public's right to know.

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Thank you for your attention

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and for considering the

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policies that protect

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government and and preserve

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access to vital information.

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Thank you, thank you. Luis de

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la Cruz. Luis dela Cruz, 640

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Allendale Road. MR. Mayor, MR.

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Vice mayor, council. Okay, so

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I'm wondering whether maybe I

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missed a a meeting of some sort.

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I try to I try not to because I

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always try to remind you of a

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lot of stuff, but I see stuff

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on this particular agenda that

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just doesn't make sense. You

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know, for instance, item nine b,

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we're borrowing $60 million for

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a project that, as far as I

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know, has not been approved.

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And we're pledging revenue

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sources for that project, and

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we're signing loan agreements

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for that project. I'm not sure

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what's going on here, but, you

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know, I mean, I don't think I

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missed a meeting, and I don't

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think you guys have brought

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this up for approval and going

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forward and borrowing money and

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pledging assets and signing

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loan agreements, tells whoever

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we're the lender is that we've

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approved the project, which we

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have not. In fact, there's

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another engineer right now

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looking at things, and I think

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he's going to come up with

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something that you're going to

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appreciate a lot more than what

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we already have. So again,

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that's a loan for $60 million.

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Then there's the. Line item ten

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d a contract with Black and

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Veatch not to exceed $373,000.

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What is I'm not I'm not sure

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what is that for, because, I

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mean, they are the ones that

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are translating what the

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engineers are, are doing for

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for us, the engineers, they're

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our second set of engineers. I

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never really understood that

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concept, but why are we signing

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another contract for $374,000

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with Black and Veatch? I also

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heard that we paid them $45,000

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or something to fill out the

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application for financing,

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something that I am absolutely

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sure our cfo and Colleen could

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do in one afternoon. I just

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don't understand what you guys

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are doing with our money, and

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I'm not accusing the council

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because the council is not the

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one signing the checks, but

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$45,000 to. For what? To

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oversee another, you know, to

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to fill out an application. And

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then there was another $50,000,

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I think that that was paid to

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Black and Veatch or or thought

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to be paid to Black and Veatch

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for them to oversee the work

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that this new engineer is doing.

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How many engineers do we need

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in order in order to get this

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done? And if we do need an

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engineer, then let's hire an

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engineer on our staff. If our

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Chief Resiliency officer cannot

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do the work, he cannot do the

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job then, and we have to pass

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it along to consultants all the

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time. Let's hire the right

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person. Okay. This is our money.

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Everybody here and everybody

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who's listening and people who

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don't even listen until they

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realize how much money has been

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spent and how much, you know,

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you guys have to approve and

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and millage. But the bottom

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line is that I don't want my

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money to be spent that way. I

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don't want I don't want Black

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and Veatch to get $50,000 to

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look over the shoulder of

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another engineer. I don't want

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I don't want them to get

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$45,000 for filling out an

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application. This has got to be

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the best job in the world to be

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a consultant to the village of

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Key Biscayne. Come on. Please,

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guys. One last thing. I am

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absolutely 100% in favor of

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what? What Karen was talking

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about. You know, we should not

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be going forward and putting

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stamped concrete or or. The

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paving that we normally do on,

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on our, on those, on those

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speed tables that were that

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we're fixing and on the streets

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without giving a chance to.

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What the consulting engineer

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who, who we paid very little

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money to. And he did a huge

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amount of work in a complete

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opposite of what normally

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happens here. You know, Walter

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Walter Rodriguez Meyer, who is

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professor at Stanford

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University. And he's got some

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really good ideas for us to be

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holistic in our resilience, not

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just to put in huge pipes and

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huge pumps, but to make our our

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streets resilient, right? Our,

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our our traffic circles. Let's

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let's try it. Let's try two

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traffic circles and let's

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measure and let's see if that

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works for us. It's a lot better

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to be holistic in this and not

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just let's make it all paving

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and impervious materials. And

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let's, let's put the biggest

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pumps and the biggest pipes

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that we can possibly put

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00:21:25,481 --> 00:21:28,481
together. Thank you very much.

566
00:21:29,318 --> 00:21:32,918
Thank you. I'll be listening on

567
00:21:41,130 --> 00:21:43,530
tv. Sanchez. Cecile Sanchez,

568
00:21:44,466 --> 00:21:47,466
260 Cypress Drive. I come again

569
00:21:49,539 --> 00:21:52,808
to ask you. You are our elected

570
00:21:52,808 --> 00:21:54,543
officials. One of you, all of

571
00:21:54,543 --> 00:21:57,543
you. Someone has to represent

572
00:21:58,848 --> 00:22:01,350
me and a bunch of us that maybe

573
00:22:01,350 --> 00:22:03,185
they don't show up, but they

574
00:22:03,185 --> 00:22:06,785
sometimes read in the paper or

575
00:22:07,156 --> 00:22:11,356
in the chats or your your your

576
00:22:12,962 --> 00:22:15,362
communications. But it's crazy.

577
00:22:16,132 --> 00:22:19,435
Can you please hold to your

578
00:22:19,435 --> 00:22:21,771
pocket book? Well, the manager

579
00:22:21,771 --> 00:22:23,573
wants. And what staff wants is

580
00:22:23,573 --> 00:22:26,242
one thing, but you're the ones

581
00:22:26,242 --> 00:22:28,411
that have to make the decision.

582
00:22:28,411 --> 00:22:29,278
How long are we going to

583
00:22:29,278 --> 00:22:31,747
continue spending this kind of

584
00:22:31,747 --> 00:22:33,415
money? For what? I don't

585
00:22:33,415 --> 00:22:35,815
understand what Luis says.

586
00:22:36,485 --> 00:22:39,485
Thank you. Thank you. Because

587
00:22:40,222 --> 00:22:42,591
part of it. All right. I just

588
00:22:42,591 --> 00:22:45,695
want to ask about the one time,

589
00:22:45,695 --> 00:22:49,231
a long time ago, I asked our

590
00:22:49,231 --> 00:22:51,934
mayor if maybe he could have a

591
00:22:51,934 --> 00:22:53,335
like, once a month, maybe a

592
00:22:53,335 --> 00:22:55,137
night, that people could come

593
00:22:55,137 --> 00:22:57,206
here and ask questions because

594
00:22:57,206 --> 00:23:00,142
it's very hard. We come here,

595
00:23:00,142 --> 00:23:02,211
we say our piece, but nothing

596
00:23:02,211 --> 00:23:04,580
ever happens afterwards. You

597
00:23:04,580 --> 00:23:06,115
can't answer. There's no give

598
00:23:06,115 --> 00:23:09,115
and take. Is there anything

599
00:23:10,519 --> 00:23:13,356
that maybe can be done? Tweak

600
00:23:13,356 --> 00:23:16,592
once a month? I don't know, I

601
00:23:16,592 --> 00:23:18,594
don't know what could be, but I

602
00:23:18,594 --> 00:23:20,396
think maybe it would make maybe

603
00:23:20,396 --> 00:23:22,397
some people that are reluctant

604
00:23:22,397 --> 00:23:24,200
to come because they say,

605
00:23:24,200 --> 00:23:26,436
what's the point? Why should I

606
00:23:26,436 --> 00:23:29,238
come and waste my time? They

607
00:23:29,238 --> 00:23:31,407
don't listen and I'm sorry, but

608
00:23:31,407 --> 00:23:33,142
that's what people say. It's

609
00:23:33,142 --> 00:23:35,644
not that because they're not

610
00:23:35,644 --> 00:23:38,440
here, they're approving what

611
00:23:39,682 --> 00:23:42,820
you're doing. Not necessarily.

612
00:23:43,385 --> 00:23:46,188
I need to ask, why did we have

613
00:23:46,188 --> 00:23:48,624
a gag policy? I know there's

614
00:23:48,624 --> 00:23:50,760
something going on now that

615
00:23:50,760 --> 00:23:53,760
hasn't been finished, but why

616
00:23:54,563 --> 00:23:57,266
in this community? We needed a

617
00:23:57,266 --> 00:23:59,666
guiding policy. I don't

618
00:24:00,135 --> 00:24:03,500
understand it. I wish someone

619
00:24:03,500 --> 00:24:06,409
would explain it. We're not in

620
00:24:06,409 --> 00:24:08,844
Cuba. Why? Why do we need a

621
00:24:08,844 --> 00:24:11,747
policy? Can we come and say.

622
00:24:11,747 --> 00:24:14,747
Because what is happening? We

623
00:24:15,918 --> 00:24:17,453
don't need to hide? I want to

624
00:24:17,453 --> 00:24:19,254
ask the same thing about the

625
00:24:19,254 --> 00:24:21,390
money, I don't understand. I

626
00:24:21,390 --> 00:24:24,293
try to come to the meetings. I

627
00:24:24,293 --> 00:24:25,561
tried to read and get a little

628
00:24:25,561 --> 00:24:27,961
understanding of what's going

629
00:24:29,131 --> 00:24:31,767
on. If we have a committee of

630
00:24:31,767 --> 00:24:34,103
three that suggested that we

631
00:24:34,103 --> 00:24:37,273
hire an engineer to come and

632
00:24:37,273 --> 00:24:38,608
give us another idea of how to

633
00:24:38,608 --> 00:24:41,800
maybe improve the stormwater,

634
00:24:41,177 --> 00:24:43,779
and we are not on the water.

635
00:24:43,779 --> 00:24:46,348
I've been living here since

636
00:24:46,348 --> 00:24:49,948
1960. I don't think we ever had

637
00:24:51,654 --> 00:24:54,654
a house condemned because of

638
00:24:58,460 --> 00:24:59,529
flooding. So the you know, I if

639
00:24:59,529 --> 00:25:02,498
we need to do whatever we need

640
00:25:02,498 --> 00:25:04,400
to do is one thing, but this is

641
00:25:04,400 --> 00:25:08,000
what is this? Are we giving

642
00:25:08,538 --> 00:25:11,538
money away? It's crazy. It's

643
00:25:11,940 --> 00:25:15,144
crazy I so if we're not sure,

644
00:25:15,144 --> 00:25:17,480
why are we going to apply for a

645
00:25:17,480 --> 00:25:20,480
$6 million loan? I would like

646
00:25:21,550 --> 00:25:24,550
somebody to explain it simply.

647
00:25:25,254 --> 00:25:28,757
Simply as we says. Are we going

648
00:25:28,757 --> 00:25:31,894
gung ho on this or not? Now,

649
00:25:31,894 --> 00:25:33,894
regarding those recovery

650
00:25:34,129 --> 00:25:37,129
residences, you mean that I

651
00:25:39,168 --> 00:25:42,168
might have my neighbor's house

652
00:25:43,639 --> 00:25:47,476
as a rehab place? Is that the

653
00:25:47,476 --> 00:25:51,380
law? That is, we need to obey

654
00:25:51,380 --> 00:25:54,980
that I'm going to have some

655
00:25:55,384 --> 00:25:57,384
recovery. Drug addicts,

656
00:25:58,588 --> 00:26:01,924
whatever, living next to me. I

657
00:26:01,924 --> 00:26:04,493
would like somebody to tell me,

658
00:26:04,493 --> 00:26:06,729
where are we going? Is this

659
00:26:06,729 --> 00:26:08,297
necessary? Do we need to say

660
00:26:08,297 --> 00:26:10,697
yes? What are other

661
00:26:11,634 --> 00:26:13,469
municipalities doing? Can how

662
00:26:13,469 --> 00:26:15,104
about communicating with us and

663
00:26:15,104 --> 00:26:17,673
telling us what is happening,

664
00:26:17,673 --> 00:26:19,475
not just put it that you need

665
00:26:19,475 --> 00:26:20,910
to vote or you need to decide?

666
00:26:20,910 --> 00:26:23,613
I don't understand that part.

667
00:26:23,613 --> 00:26:25,347
Oh, do we have a building code?

668
00:26:25,347 --> 00:26:27,650
Do we have a good building code?

669
00:26:27,650 --> 00:26:30,552
If we have a good building code,

670
00:26:30,552 --> 00:26:33,889
like Brett says, why do we need

671
00:26:33,889 --> 00:26:36,559
to keep on giving variances?

672
00:26:36,559 --> 00:26:38,727
Please? I would like to know if

673
00:26:38,727 --> 00:26:41,564
we were working with Raquel

674
00:26:41,564 --> 00:26:45,164
Regalado and we were going to

675
00:26:45,501 --> 00:26:47,236
kind of give the $950,000. Why

676
00:26:47,236 --> 00:26:48,437
are the friends of the

677
00:26:48,437 --> 00:26:50,473
underlying now are going to

678
00:26:50,473 --> 00:26:53,642
enter into the picture and be

679
00:26:53,642 --> 00:26:56,420
consultants? So traffic circles,

680
00:26:57,213 --> 00:26:59,415
that's another issue. Please. I

681
00:26:59,415 --> 00:27:01,751
remember council was ready. You

682
00:27:01,751 --> 00:27:03,485
can you wrap it up okay.

683
00:27:03,485 --> 00:27:07,850
Council was ready to vote on

684
00:27:07,423 --> 00:27:08,491
putting plastic grass in the

685
00:27:08,491 --> 00:27:10,693
parking when we were

686
00:27:10,693 --> 00:27:13,930
reconfiguring and on on

687
00:27:15,300 --> 00:27:17,900
Fernwood, the the way we parked,

688
00:27:17,900 --> 00:27:20,403
you were all because Staff Jake

689
00:27:20,403 --> 00:27:22,271
Osman came here and said it was

690
00:27:22,271 --> 00:27:24,306
cheaper and you were ready to

691
00:27:24,306 --> 00:27:26,142
vote and say yes. If it wasn't

692
00:27:26,142 --> 00:27:28,277
for Brett Moss, that brought it

693
00:27:28,277 --> 00:27:31,180
again. And Mike Davie, we were

694
00:27:31,180 --> 00:27:33,348
going to have plastic grass for

695
00:27:33,348 --> 00:27:36,948
parking there. So can we just

696
00:27:37,586 --> 00:27:40,256
go slow? Is this an emergency

697
00:27:40,256 --> 00:27:43,256
please? Please. Okay. No more

698
00:27:43,792 --> 00:27:45,194
consultants like you are. A

699
00:27:45,194 --> 00:27:48,194
former council member used to

700
00:28:00,443 --> 00:28:03,278
say thank you. Mike Davie. Yeah.

701
00:28:03,278 --> 00:28:06,315
Son of a mike Davie, 50 Ocean

702
00:28:06,315 --> 00:28:07,416
Lane Drive. First, I do want to

703
00:28:07,416 --> 00:28:09,418
commend. We didn't nobody

704
00:28:09,418 --> 00:28:10,486
brought it up veterans day. I

705
00:28:10,486 --> 00:28:12,288
thought this year was

706
00:28:12,288 --> 00:28:14,389
especially you know we're we

707
00:28:14,389 --> 00:28:16,358
used to when I moved here first

708
00:28:16,358 --> 00:28:18,327
20 something years ago. We had

709
00:28:18,327 --> 00:28:20,296
a lot of older veterans who

710
00:28:20,296 --> 00:28:22,364
were here, and they've gone now

711
00:28:22,364 --> 00:28:24,233
and they've passed. But. Well,

712
00:28:24,233 --> 00:28:26,435
not some of you, but you know,

713
00:28:26,435 --> 00:28:28,804
you're still around, but, you

714
00:28:28,804 --> 00:28:30,205
know, it's just it was a great

715
00:28:30,205 --> 00:28:31,541
event. I thought it was really

716
00:28:31,541 --> 00:28:33,842
well done. Well done. You know,

717
00:28:33,842 --> 00:28:34,410
your team always does a great

718
00:28:34,410 --> 00:28:36,412
job and the vets. So it's a

719
00:28:36,412 --> 00:28:38,247
great I love that event for Key

720
00:28:38,247 --> 00:28:39,749
Biscayne. It's so important

721
00:28:39,749 --> 00:28:42,518
that what we do here I'm here

722
00:28:42,518 --> 00:28:43,319
to talk about two things. I am

723
00:28:43,319 --> 00:28:45,388
really I appreciate that you

724
00:28:45,388 --> 00:28:46,689
funded the position for, for

725
00:28:46,689 --> 00:28:48,357
for special needs, for

726
00:28:48,357 --> 00:28:49,591
disability, you know, for for a

727
00:28:49,591 --> 00:28:50,759
coordinator. I think that's

728
00:28:50,759 --> 00:28:52,361
that's great. I'm really proud

729
00:28:52,361 --> 00:28:53,362
of this council for for moving

730
00:28:53,362 --> 00:28:55,331
forward. I regret that we

731
00:28:55,331 --> 00:28:57,533
didn't do it when I was up

732
00:28:57,533 --> 00:28:58,334
there. Two things I do want to

733
00:28:58,334 --> 00:29:00,303
talk about are the the

734
00:29:00,303 --> 00:29:02,171
revolving credit, the the state,

735
00:29:02,171 --> 00:29:03,739
the freshwater fund. As I

736
00:29:03,739 --> 00:29:05,174
understand it, I'm in support

737
00:29:05,174 --> 00:29:06,709
of it simply because it gives

738
00:29:06,709 --> 00:29:08,777
us a funding source. It doesn't

739
00:29:08,777 --> 00:29:09,411
obligate us to spend any money

740
00:29:09,411 --> 00:29:11,346
on this, doesn't obligate us to

741
00:29:11,346 --> 00:29:13,115
borrow. It just gives us and we

742
00:29:13,115 --> 00:29:14,349
have to stay current for this

743
00:29:14,349 --> 00:29:16,352
fiscal year. We need to be in

744
00:29:16,352 --> 00:29:17,619
the process. So that's why I'm

745
00:29:17,619 --> 00:29:18,287
asking you to support that

746
00:29:18,287 --> 00:29:19,488
moving forward on the

747
00:29:19,488 --> 00:29:21,590
Rickenbacker. We need to get

748
00:29:21,590 --> 00:29:23,392
going. We need we said we'd put

749
00:29:23,392 --> 00:29:25,961
up and we need to do it. So

750
00:29:25,961 --> 00:29:26,595
that's on the agenda tonight. I

751
00:29:26,595 --> 00:29:28,197
would ask that you all move

752
00:29:28,197 --> 00:29:29,331
forward with that. Let's keep

753
00:29:29,331 --> 00:29:30,665
this village going forward. We

754
00:29:30,665 --> 00:29:32,200
need to be moving. It's been

755
00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:33,702
how many years we've been

756
00:29:33,702 --> 00:29:34,570
talking about stormwater and

757
00:29:34,570 --> 00:29:36,505
undergrounding. Let's get going.

758
00:29:36,505 --> 00:29:38,974
You guys have the opportunity.

759
00:29:38,974 --> 00:29:40,476
So thanks very much. Have a

760
00:29:40,476 --> 00:29:43,476
great night. Thank you. Thanks.

761
00:29:48,317 --> 00:29:50,720
Next speaker, Brett Moss. Good

762
00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:53,120
evening, Brett Moss. 152 West

763
00:29:53,522 --> 00:29:55,691
Mashta Drive. Thank you to all

764
00:29:55,691 --> 00:29:57,326
of you. I know this is not easy.

765
00:29:57,326 --> 00:29:58,294
I've sat up there and some of

766
00:29:58,294 --> 00:29:59,428
the hardest parts are listening

767
00:29:59,428 --> 00:30:01,730
to everybody during public

768
00:30:01,730 --> 00:30:03,533
comments because I know all of

769
00:30:03,533 --> 00:30:05,434
you want to respond, but for

770
00:30:05,434 --> 00:30:07,270
time it's difficult to do. I'm

771
00:30:07,270 --> 00:30:10,870
here for two reasons. One of

772
00:30:11,874 --> 00:30:13,475
them. You know, I was not here

773
00:30:13,475 --> 00:30:15,544
when Key Biscayne Incorporated.

774
00:30:15,544 --> 00:30:17,880
I moved here 20 years ago. But

775
00:30:17,880 --> 00:30:19,482
I do think of myself, think to

776
00:30:19,482 --> 00:30:21,784
myself, what's the reason why

777
00:30:21,784 --> 00:30:24,687
we incorporated? And only one

778
00:30:24,687 --> 00:30:26,322
word comes to mind is called

779
00:30:26,322 --> 00:30:29,659
control. We want to control our

780
00:30:29,659 --> 00:30:31,293
destiny. We want to control our

781
00:30:31,293 --> 00:30:33,396
services. We want to control

782
00:30:33,396 --> 00:30:34,629
our assets. So I see on the

783
00:30:34,629 --> 00:30:36,265
agenda that you guys are

784
00:30:36,265 --> 00:30:37,766
talking about the conversion

785
00:30:37,766 --> 00:30:40,602
and transferring our lights to

786
00:30:40,602 --> 00:30:41,370
fpl, and I think you guys need

787
00:30:41,370 --> 00:30:43,506
to think hard about this,

788
00:30:43,506 --> 00:30:45,474
because I think it goes against

789
00:30:45,474 --> 00:30:48,110
what we one of the reasons why

790
00:30:48,110 --> 00:30:50,312
we incorporated, I'm sure there

791
00:30:50,312 --> 00:30:52,448
are other avenues where we can

792
00:30:52,448 --> 00:30:55,317
keep control of our assets,

793
00:30:55,317 --> 00:30:56,519
hire them to maintain them for

794
00:30:56,519 --> 00:30:58,287
us. And I would like to at

795
00:30:58,287 --> 00:31:01,858
least you guys to look into

796
00:31:01,858 --> 00:31:02,525
that. Second, I'm here for the

797
00:31:02,525 --> 00:31:04,660
variances that are being

798
00:31:04,660 --> 00:31:06,262
requested at 640 South Mashta.

799
00:31:06,262 --> 00:31:08,363
I know that you guys asked the

800
00:31:08,363 --> 00:31:10,399
Zork to look at it. I am the

801
00:31:10,399 --> 00:31:13,302
chair of the Zork currently. We

802
00:31:13,302 --> 00:31:15,370
did take a deep dive into it.

803
00:31:15,370 --> 00:31:17,973
We went through everything. It

804
00:31:17,973 --> 00:31:21,573
was unanimous that we were all

805
00:31:22,678 --> 00:31:25,800
against the variance. We we

806
00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:28,350
know that this is on a large

807
00:31:28,350 --> 00:31:31,620
lot. It's a regular sized lot.

808
00:31:31,620 --> 00:31:33,589
It first of all, a higher

809
00:31:33,589 --> 00:31:35,257
ceilings is not, to us a

810
00:31:35,257 --> 00:31:36,458
justifiable reason why you

811
00:31:36,458 --> 00:31:37,459
would ask for variance. And

812
00:31:37,459 --> 00:31:38,761
they they said it's

813
00:31:38,761 --> 00:31:40,495
unacceptable. High ceilings

814
00:31:40,495 --> 00:31:42,664
which they're a couple feet

815
00:31:42,664 --> 00:31:45,334
higher than my ceilings in my

816
00:31:45,334 --> 00:31:47,103
house. The way our code is

817
00:31:47,103 --> 00:31:48,404
designed for height is that you

818
00:31:48,404 --> 00:31:50,505
can achieve those ceiling

819
00:31:50,505 --> 00:31:52,908
heights that you want, but it's

820
00:31:52,908 --> 00:31:54,410
a trade off. By pushing the

821
00:31:54,410 --> 00:31:56,278
walls inwards, they would have

822
00:31:56,278 --> 00:31:58,281
to move it in about 18in on

823
00:31:58,281 --> 00:32:00,449
each side. They would achieve

824
00:32:00,449 --> 00:32:02,217
it. It's easy to be done. They

825
00:32:02,217 --> 00:32:03,886
have to go back and redesign it,

826
00:32:03,886 --> 00:32:06,155
do it like everybody else does

827
00:32:06,155 --> 00:32:07,322
it. There's no reason or any

828
00:32:07,322 --> 00:32:08,457
justification. They also asked

829
00:32:08,457 --> 00:32:10,359
for increasing the height of

830
00:32:10,359 --> 00:32:12,294
the rear yard. It's something

831
00:32:12,294 --> 00:32:14,397
that we're still discussing as

832
00:32:14,397 --> 00:32:16,265
a board, but we have not come

833
00:32:16,265 --> 00:32:18,100
down to whether we're going to

834
00:32:18,100 --> 00:32:19,301
recommend to you guys to

835
00:32:19,301 --> 00:32:21,670
increase it or not. We MAY we

836
00:32:21,670 --> 00:32:23,572
don't know how much it's going

837
00:32:23,572 --> 00:32:25,541
to be. So our strong feeling is

838
00:32:25,541 --> 00:32:27,343
that if they do want to do that,

839
00:32:27,343 --> 00:32:28,410
they should wait until you guys

840
00:32:28,410 --> 00:32:29,511
make a decision. This is not

841
00:32:29,511 --> 00:32:31,146
something that should go

842
00:32:31,146 --> 00:32:33,382
through the variance process.

843
00:32:33,382 --> 00:32:35,417
That is what we looked at. I

844
00:32:35,417 --> 00:32:37,119
have to go pick up my son if

845
00:32:37,119 --> 00:32:38,387
you want me to come back. If

846
00:32:38,387 --> 00:32:39,521
you want to ask questions

847
00:32:39,521 --> 00:32:41,890
during the hearing portion, I

848
00:32:41,890 --> 00:32:42,491
can come back. If not, just let

849
00:32:42,491 --> 00:32:46,910
me know. All right. Thank you,

850
00:32:46,194 --> 00:32:49,794
thank you, thank you for coming.

851
00:32:54,690 --> 00:32:56,469
Next. Speaker Gene Stearns.

852
00:32:59,740 --> 00:33:02,740
Three minutes. I got 30 minutes.

853
00:33:02,578 --> 00:33:05,380
MR. Mayor, council members. MR.

854
00:33:05,380 --> 00:33:07,780
Manager, MADAM Clerk, 250 k

855
00:33:08,450 --> 00:33:10,850
Florida Drive. Gene stearns,

856
00:33:11,320 --> 00:33:14,490
thank you for everything you do.

857
00:33:14,490 --> 00:33:16,491
I think it we're so fortunate

858
00:33:16,491 --> 00:33:18,727
to live in this island. It's

859
00:33:18,727 --> 00:33:21,290
not just that it's an island.

860
00:33:21,290 --> 00:33:23,231
It's a community. Police and

861
00:33:23,231 --> 00:33:25,301
fire rescue are phenomenal. Our

862
00:33:25,301 --> 00:33:27,701
public area maintenance is

863
00:33:28,503 --> 00:33:30,903
phenomenal. It's not perfect,

864
00:33:31,273 --> 00:33:32,607
but darn near close to perfect.

865
00:33:32,607 --> 00:33:34,777
And the care and attention that

866
00:33:34,777 --> 00:33:37,313
is paid in this village is

867
00:33:37,313 --> 00:33:38,347
absolutely appreciated. And I

868
00:33:38,347 --> 00:33:40,349
have to always remind people

869
00:33:40,349 --> 00:33:41,350
when I listen to the concerns

870
00:33:41,350 --> 00:33:43,485
that are expressed, that let

871
00:33:43,485 --> 00:33:45,287
people have legitimate concerns,

872
00:33:45,287 --> 00:33:47,155
we continue to have the lowest

873
00:33:47,155 --> 00:33:50,359
tax rate of any municipality in

874
00:33:50,359 --> 00:33:52,328
Dade County. I believe that MR.

875
00:33:52,328 --> 00:33:53,295
London has done a good job at

876
00:33:53,295 --> 00:33:55,264
looking at every nickel that's

877
00:33:55,264 --> 00:33:57,500
being spent unwisely, and

878
00:33:57,500 --> 00:34:00,302
reminds us all about it, and

879
00:34:00,302 --> 00:34:01,604
that's important because

880
00:34:01,604 --> 00:34:04,400
otherwise you're not hearing

881
00:34:04,706 --> 00:34:05,974
what needs to be heard. But one

882
00:34:05,974 --> 00:34:07,142
of the things that I think it's

883
00:34:07,142 --> 00:34:08,411
frustrating, any of us who've

884
00:34:08,411 --> 00:34:11,613
lived here a long time and I've

885
00:34:11,613 --> 00:34:14,182
lived here 53 years, is that

886
00:34:14,182 --> 00:34:17,182
we're surrounded by parks. And

887
00:34:17,286 --> 00:34:18,554
to get here, we have to go over

888
00:34:18,554 --> 00:34:20,589
a causeway. And that causeway

889
00:34:20,589 --> 00:34:23,359
has been poorly maintained for

890
00:34:23,359 --> 00:34:25,194
every year that I've been here.

891
00:34:25,194 --> 00:34:27,262
The causeway fund has been

892
00:34:27,262 --> 00:34:29,662
appropriated for other county

893
00:34:30,232 --> 00:34:31,266
purposes. Historically, they

894
00:34:31,266 --> 00:34:32,901
didn't spend money on

895
00:34:32,901 --> 00:34:34,302
maintenance. That left the

896
00:34:34,302 --> 00:34:36,305
Bearcat Bridge in a point of

897
00:34:36,305 --> 00:34:38,106
near failure, frankly, was

898
00:34:38,106 --> 00:34:39,507
close to failure when they

899
00:34:39,507 --> 00:34:41,410
discovered it, and it would be

900
00:34:41,410 --> 00:34:43,812
wonderful if the county paid

901
00:34:43,812 --> 00:34:45,547
better attention to our needs

902
00:34:45,547 --> 00:34:47,583
and the needs of the people

903
00:34:47,583 --> 00:34:49,418
that want to access the public

904
00:34:49,418 --> 00:34:52,154
parks on Key Biscayne, because

905
00:34:52,154 --> 00:34:53,355
our interest is is clear. We

906
00:34:53,355 --> 00:34:56,592
live here, but in a sense,

907
00:34:56,592 --> 00:34:57,425
we're also stewards of what we

908
00:34:57,425 --> 00:34:59,327
see around us. What's happening

909
00:34:59,327 --> 00:35:01,563
in Cape Florida, what's

910
00:35:01,563 --> 00:35:02,131
happening in that state park,

911
00:35:02,131 --> 00:35:03,832
what's happening in Crandon

912
00:35:03,832 --> 00:35:05,734
Park, what's happening on the

913
00:35:05,734 --> 00:35:07,936
Causeway. And if we wait for

914
00:35:07,936 --> 00:35:09,471
the county to do what it's

915
00:35:09,471 --> 00:35:13,710
supposed to do, I'll be long

916
00:35:13,709 --> 00:35:15,978
gone. MR. London will be long

917
00:35:15,978 --> 00:35:18,180
gone. The money that he's saved

918
00:35:18,180 --> 00:35:20,482
will not be spent. And and we

919
00:35:20,482 --> 00:35:22,451
have to do it because they're

920
00:35:22,451 --> 00:35:24,153
not going to do it. We can

921
00:35:24,153 --> 00:35:25,387
whine about it. We can complain

922
00:35:25,387 --> 00:35:27,923
about it. We can say they

923
00:35:27,923 --> 00:35:28,791
should do it. But left to their

924
00:35:28,791 --> 00:35:30,259
own devices, they would

925
00:35:30,259 --> 00:35:32,259
recreate on Rickenbacker

926
00:35:33,162 --> 00:35:35,431
Causeway what we see going over

927
00:35:35,431 --> 00:35:38,266
on on the islands, going to to

928
00:35:38,266 --> 00:35:40,435
the beach on Watson Island, a

929
00:35:40,435 --> 00:35:42,704
road that is mindlessly stupid.

930
00:35:42,704 --> 00:35:44,373
I mean, there's no other way to

931
00:35:44,373 --> 00:35:46,575
say it and frankly, paved from

932
00:35:46,575 --> 00:35:47,542
one end to the other. And

933
00:35:47,542 --> 00:35:50,145
that's what the county was

934
00:35:50,145 --> 00:35:52,545
planning for Virginia Key.

935
00:35:53,782 --> 00:35:55,384
Asphalt and concrete, and then

936
00:35:55,384 --> 00:35:57,719
requiring all kinds of

937
00:35:57,719 --> 00:35:59,455
expensive stormwater removal

938
00:35:59,455 --> 00:36:01,690
systems because the dirt is

939
00:36:01,690 --> 00:36:03,358
going to be gone. It's just

940
00:36:03,358 --> 00:36:06,358
going to be asphalt. So

941
00:36:06,495 --> 00:36:08,597
frustrated with this, a fellow

942
00:36:08,597 --> 00:36:10,399
came to see me who who was

943
00:36:10,399 --> 00:36:12,401
going to develop some land on

944
00:36:12,401 --> 00:36:14,970
Key Biscayne and named David

945
00:36:14,970 --> 00:36:16,405
Martin. I didn't know David,

946
00:36:16,405 --> 00:36:18,140
and he asked me if I'd get

947
00:36:18,140 --> 00:36:19,842
involved. I said, I don't do I

948
00:36:19,842 --> 00:36:21,276
never appear in front of the

949
00:36:21,276 --> 00:36:23,512
council and anything about

950
00:36:23,512 --> 00:36:25,313
anything that's not pro bono.

951
00:36:25,313 --> 00:36:27,716
And I don't help developers do

952
00:36:27,716 --> 00:36:31,316
anything. And I didn't know him.

953
00:36:32,588 --> 00:36:34,289
And but he's a nice gentleman.

954
00:36:34,289 --> 00:36:35,457
And on the way out he said, is

955
00:36:35,457 --> 00:36:37,526
there something I can do for

956
00:36:37,526 --> 00:36:38,393
Key Biscayne? I said, sure, how

957
00:36:38,393 --> 00:36:40,162
a bunch of really good

958
00:36:40,162 --> 00:36:41,530
engineers and design a causeway

959
00:36:41,530 --> 00:36:43,231
because the county isn't doing

960
00:36:43,231 --> 00:36:44,533
it. And that was a flippant

961
00:36:44,533 --> 00:36:46,301
comment. And the next thing I

962
00:36:46,301 --> 00:36:48,170
know, he did it. And so he

963
00:36:48,170 --> 00:36:49,205
hired some really, really

964
00:36:49,205 --> 00:36:51,206
bright people and spent a lot

965
00:36:51,206 --> 00:36:52,508
of time coming up with a design

966
00:36:52,508 --> 00:36:54,176
for the Causeway that has the

967
00:36:54,176 --> 00:36:57,176
misfortune of making sense. It

968
00:36:58,313 --> 00:37:00,549
not only provides access for us

969
00:37:00,549 --> 00:37:03,451
to get to and from the island,

970
00:37:03,451 --> 00:37:04,286
it provides our role. Frankly,

971
00:37:04,286 --> 00:37:06,355
it looking what's going on in

972
00:37:06,355 --> 00:37:07,556
the state park in Crandon Park

973
00:37:07,556 --> 00:37:09,992
to provide access to the people

974
00:37:09,992 --> 00:37:10,559
who own that land, that are

975
00:37:10,559 --> 00:37:12,527
entitled to use it without

976
00:37:12,527 --> 00:37:15,331
having to spend a day getting

977
00:37:15,331 --> 00:37:18,133
home. And so this plan just

978
00:37:18,133 --> 00:37:20,402
frankly just makes sense. And

979
00:37:20,402 --> 00:37:21,603
what it also does, and I give

980
00:37:21,603 --> 00:37:23,705
an awful lot of credit to our

981
00:37:23,705 --> 00:37:25,705
county commissioner, Raquel

982
00:37:27,142 --> 00:37:29,178
Regalado, who who is just

983
00:37:29,178 --> 00:37:31,280
really taking charge and

984
00:37:31,280 --> 00:37:34,820
identified the problem and has

985
00:37:34,820 --> 00:37:35,150
brought into the project the

986
00:37:35,150 --> 00:37:37,252
underlying and the funding

987
00:37:37,252 --> 00:37:38,720
mechanism for the underlying

988
00:37:38,720 --> 00:37:39,655
and the process that they've

989
00:37:39,655 --> 00:37:41,924
been involved in, and called

990
00:37:41,924 --> 00:37:43,258
this part of the project the

991
00:37:43,258 --> 00:37:45,261
shoreline. And I invite you all

992
00:37:45,261 --> 00:37:47,296
if you haven't done it, when

993
00:37:47,296 --> 00:37:49,698
you go in Virginia, key count

994
00:37:49,698 --> 00:37:52,334
the traffic lanes of asphalt

995
00:37:52,334 --> 00:37:54,302
that are on Virginia Key today.

996
00:37:54,302 --> 00:37:57,902
In some places, you have nine

997
00:37:57,973 --> 00:37:58,874
lanes of asphalt road. The plan

998
00:37:58,874 --> 00:38:01,274
that David Martin's engineers

999
00:38:01,476 --> 00:38:04,680
came up with turns all of that

1000
00:38:04,680 --> 00:38:07,482
into a park, all of it, and

1001
00:38:07,482 --> 00:38:09,384
provides access for us free,

1002
00:38:09,384 --> 00:38:11,384
unencumbered access. It

1003
00:38:11,653 --> 00:38:13,455
provides for bicyclists no

1004
00:38:13,455 --> 00:38:15,157
conflict between cars and

1005
00:38:15,157 --> 00:38:17,426
cyclists, because the access

1006
00:38:17,426 --> 00:38:19,394
and egress for cars is on the

1007
00:38:19,394 --> 00:38:20,662
inside lane, and the cyclists

1008
00:38:20,662 --> 00:38:23,432
can stay either down or

1009
00:38:23,432 --> 00:38:25,100
Virginia Key, or on the outside

1010
00:38:25,100 --> 00:38:27,336
lanes and go straight through.

1011
00:38:27,336 --> 00:38:29,305
It is something that if we

1012
00:38:29,305 --> 00:38:31,773
don't do it, it is going to be

1013
00:38:31,773 --> 00:38:33,608
a problem for us. It's unfair

1014
00:38:33,608 --> 00:38:35,210
to ask anybody, David Martin or

1015
00:38:35,210 --> 00:38:37,379
anyone else to keep funding it.

1016
00:38:37,379 --> 00:38:39,247
And so that work is to the

1017
00:38:39,247 --> 00:38:41,816
point where it can be funded.

1018
00:38:41,816 --> 00:38:43,118
We just need to do it, because

1019
00:38:43,118 --> 00:38:45,421
if we don't do it, nobody is

1020
00:38:45,421 --> 00:38:48,256
and we're going to end up with

1021
00:38:48,256 --> 00:38:49,624
a mess. So I urge you to do it.

1022
00:38:49,624 --> 00:38:51,259
And I thank you for considering

1023
00:38:51,259 --> 00:38:53,361
it. And I can tell you how

1024
00:38:53,361 --> 00:38:55,798
important it is to this

1025
00:38:55,798 --> 00:38:58,266
community. Thank you, thank you.

1026
00:38:58,266 --> 00:39:00,235
Okay, MADAM Clerk, that's all

1027
00:39:00,235 --> 00:39:03,806
cards I have. The next item is

1028
00:39:03,806 --> 00:39:04,773
the agenda. Approval, deferrals,

1029
00:39:04,773 --> 00:39:06,773
additions, deletions,

1030
00:39:07,342 --> 00:39:09,342
substitutions and withdrawals.

1031
00:39:17,753 --> 00:39:21,953
I'd like to pull 12 g. Roll g.

1032
00:39:25,600 --> 00:39:29,297
G g g g g g. Okay. I got

1033
00:39:29,297 --> 00:39:32,168
excited when I heard g. Because

1034
00:39:32,168 --> 00:39:36,368
I'd like to suggest that we not

1035
00:39:36,572 --> 00:39:37,939
deal tonight with nine g and

1036
00:39:37,939 --> 00:39:40,939
with the discussion item on

1037
00:39:41,209 --> 00:39:43,345
next part nine g. I think

1038
00:39:43,345 --> 00:39:46,810
there's a lot of frustrations

1039
00:39:46,810 --> 00:39:48,284
about variances, policies and

1040
00:39:48,284 --> 00:39:50,719
procedures. These have to be

1041
00:39:50,719 --> 00:39:52,254
addressed, I think, more

1042
00:39:52,254 --> 00:39:54,890
comprehensively. These measures

1043
00:39:54,890 --> 00:39:56,258
I don't think address what's

1044
00:39:56,258 --> 00:39:58,994
really going on. And the cause

1045
00:39:58,994 --> 00:40:01,496
that we're so concerned about

1046
00:40:01,496 --> 00:40:05,696
for so long. So I'd rather I'd

1047
00:40:05,801 --> 00:40:07,402
rather deal with this, you know,

1048
00:40:07,402 --> 00:40:10,402
with Chad in a more

1049
00:40:10,706 --> 00:40:12,707
comprehensive way than to adopt

1050
00:40:12,707 --> 00:40:14,410
these measures or even waste

1051
00:40:14,410 --> 00:40:15,578
time discussing them. Frankly,

1052
00:40:15,578 --> 00:40:18,578
tonight, isn't there a deadline

1053
00:40:18,914 --> 00:40:22,514
for the state for JANUARY 1st?

1054
00:40:24,419 --> 00:40:27,322
Chad. I think that's nine d. I

1055
00:40:27,322 --> 00:40:28,958
think what I'm talking about,

1056
00:40:28,958 --> 00:40:31,260
the advisory board to deal with

1057
00:40:31,260 --> 00:40:34,260
variances, that's nine g, nine

1058
00:40:34,863 --> 00:40:37,320
g I'm sorry. That's my

1059
00:40:37,320 --> 00:40:39,432
suggestion. You're asking to

1060
00:40:45,407 --> 00:40:47,509
defer. Yep. Well. I don't know

1061
00:40:47,509 --> 00:40:48,744
that we need to vote on it

1062
00:40:48,744 --> 00:40:50,279
tonight. But I certainly would

1063
00:40:50,279 --> 00:40:53,215
like to have some discussion. I

1064
00:40:53,215 --> 00:40:56,618
think it needs to come out on

1065
00:40:56,618 --> 00:40:59,354
nine g. Because just deferring

1066
00:40:59,354 --> 00:41:01,289
it to what. Why don't we. We'll

1067
00:41:01,289 --> 00:41:03,225
have a discussion item on mayor

1068
00:41:03,225 --> 00:41:05,494
and council reports. The

1069
00:41:05,494 --> 00:41:07,228
ex-parte part I want to deal

1070
00:41:07,228 --> 00:41:09,264
with this, but I don't think

1071
00:41:09,264 --> 00:41:10,365
these are the right way to deal

1072
00:41:10,365 --> 00:41:11,433
with the problem. There is a

1073
00:41:11,433 --> 00:41:13,169
problem. These aren't the

1074
00:41:13,169 --> 00:41:16,169
solution, and I don't think

1075
00:41:16,472 --> 00:41:18,506
they can be well, okay. You

1076
00:41:18,506 --> 00:41:21,476
would like to add a discussion

1077
00:41:21,476 --> 00:41:24,112
item. That's right. Yeah, yeah.

1078
00:41:24,112 --> 00:41:25,513
Hold on. Have a discussion item.

1079
00:41:25,513 --> 00:41:27,249
We have a discussion item on ex

1080
00:41:27,249 --> 00:41:29,249
parte communications. Yeah,

1081
00:41:32,421 --> 00:41:36,621
yeah. Frank on your item nine g.

1082
00:41:39,394 --> 00:41:41,363
Are you willing to defer it? No,

1083
00:41:41,363 --> 00:41:42,831
no not at this time I would I

1084
00:41:42,831 --> 00:41:44,533
would like to have a discussion

1085
00:41:44,533 --> 00:41:46,335
on it. We don't have we maybe

1086
00:41:46,335 --> 00:41:48,837
we MAY defer on it after we

1087
00:41:48,837 --> 00:41:50,506
discuss it. But I would like to

1088
00:41:50,506 --> 00:41:51,807
have a discussion on it okay.

1089
00:41:51,807 --> 00:41:53,742
Thank you. Frank. Frank, can I

1090
00:41:53,742 --> 00:41:55,110
ask you a question? Your

1091
00:41:55,110 --> 00:41:56,678
concern for the ordinance of.

1092
00:41:56,678 --> 00:41:57,446
Thank you, Oscar, you're

1093
00:41:57,446 --> 00:41:59,448
concerned about the ordinances

1094
00:41:59,448 --> 00:42:02,284
is to just discuss this. The

1095
00:42:02,284 --> 00:42:04,320
all the the all the zoning

1096
00:42:04,320 --> 00:42:07,320
issues is one, one complete

1097
00:42:07,323 --> 00:42:09,323
group specifically variances.

1098
00:42:09,458 --> 00:42:10,125
Yeah. For for many years, we

1099
00:42:10,125 --> 00:42:11,460
simply didn't deal with

1100
00:42:11,460 --> 00:42:13,195
variances. They never came

1101
00:42:13,195 --> 00:42:14,296
forward. And now we're dealing

1102
00:42:14,296 --> 00:42:16,696
with them repeatedly. Right.

1103
00:42:16,831 --> 00:42:19,568
And the point that Brett made

1104
00:42:19,568 --> 00:42:21,436
earlier about justification is

1105
00:42:21,436 --> 00:42:23,205
really is a problem for us. So

1106
00:42:23,205 --> 00:42:24,840
we don't have. But in our

1107
00:42:24,840 --> 00:42:26,508
current code we don't have any

1108
00:42:26,508 --> 00:42:27,642
issue with a hardship. Now

1109
00:42:27,642 --> 00:42:28,443
we're having a discussion

1110
00:42:28,443 --> 00:42:29,678
without being able to have the

1111
00:42:29,678 --> 00:42:31,546
benefit of having the

1112
00:42:31,546 --> 00:42:33,382
discussion. So either we should,

1113
00:42:33,382 --> 00:42:35,450
I think, defer it or not defer

1114
00:42:35,450 --> 00:42:36,217
it. I'm in support of having

1115
00:42:36,217 --> 00:42:38,617
the conversation. Okay. All

1116
00:42:38,853 --> 00:42:39,822
right. We'll have a

1117
00:42:39,822 --> 00:42:42,222
conversation and we'll we'll

1118
00:42:43,926 --> 00:42:46,294
see where it goes. All right,

1119
00:42:46,294 --> 00:42:48,363
MADAM Clerk, all those in favor

1120
00:42:48,363 --> 00:42:50,265
of the agenda as amended? No,

1121
00:42:50,265 --> 00:42:52,534
I've got a couple I want to do.

1122
00:42:52,534 --> 00:42:55,470
Excuse me, I want to I want to

1123
00:42:55,470 --> 00:42:56,705
take ten b, ten c and ten d and

1124
00:42:56,705 --> 00:42:59,841
move those to a workshop. I'm

1125
00:42:59,841 --> 00:43:03,120
sorry. Ten b, ten b, ten c and

1126
00:43:03,120 --> 00:43:03,545
ten d and move those into an

1127
00:43:03,545 --> 00:43:05,346
infrastructure workshop. I

1128
00:43:05,346 --> 00:43:07,315
don't believe we can address

1129
00:43:07,315 --> 00:43:09,752
these this time. There's these

1130
00:43:09,752 --> 00:43:12,752
are super complicated issues d

1131
00:43:15,240 --> 00:43:17,920
d b, ten b, c and d okay. And

1132
00:43:17,920 --> 00:43:19,461
move those to an infrastructure

1133
00:43:19,461 --> 00:43:21,730
workshop. Good. Where what

1134
00:43:21,730 --> 00:43:23,431
workshop would that be. We'll

1135
00:43:23,431 --> 00:43:24,967
create one. So you want to

1136
00:43:24,967 --> 00:43:26,301
create an infrastructure

1137
00:43:26,301 --> 00:43:28,504
workshop. Yeah okay. Not a

1138
00:43:28,504 --> 00:43:29,704
committee. It's just a workshop.

1139
00:43:29,704 --> 00:43:31,704
Workshop. Committee workshop.

1140
00:43:32,774 --> 00:43:34,810
Is that a motion? Yes. Second.

1141
00:43:34,810 --> 00:43:36,745
I'll second. Great. So for the

1142
00:43:36,745 --> 00:43:39,581
record, the request was as part

1143
00:43:39,581 --> 00:43:41,349
of deferrals would be ten b, c

1144
00:43:41,349 --> 00:43:43,452
and d and then there to be a

1145
00:43:43,452 --> 00:43:45,187
workshop on those items. Yes.

1146
00:43:45,187 --> 00:43:47,122
Right. Just I know there's

1147
00:43:47,122 --> 00:43:47,656
other items too, but I mean

1148
00:43:47,656 --> 00:43:49,425
just for purposes of those

1149
00:43:49,425 --> 00:43:51,359
three. Those three. Yes, sir.

1150
00:43:51,359 --> 00:43:54,329
Just to understand ten b, ten c

1151
00:43:54,329 --> 00:43:56,665
and ten d and ten d I don't

1152
00:43:56,665 --> 00:43:58,133
think I mean my, I think we

1153
00:43:58,133 --> 00:44:00,402
should talk about I don't mind

1154
00:44:00,402 --> 00:44:01,403
ten b and ten c but ten d I

1155
00:44:01,403 --> 00:44:03,606
think that's a subject to

1156
00:44:03,606 --> 00:44:05,507
discuss today. I'd like to have

1157
00:44:05,507 --> 00:44:06,242
that ready for discussion.

1158
00:44:06,242 --> 00:44:07,776
That's a that's already been

1159
00:44:07,776 --> 00:44:09,310
discussed at a workshop,

1160
00:44:09,310 --> 00:44:10,646
already been discussed at ad

1161
00:44:10,646 --> 00:44:12,347
hoc. So there's no need to go

1162
00:44:12,347 --> 00:44:13,582
back to an infrastructure

1163
00:44:13,582 --> 00:44:15,150
workshop. It doesn't make sense.

1164
00:44:15,150 --> 00:44:16,585
I mean, clearly it's on the

1165
00:44:16,585 --> 00:44:17,319
record, clearly what the

1166
00:44:17,319 --> 00:44:20,319
position is prepared to be

1167
00:44:20,522 --> 00:44:23,325
reported. So in my opinion, I

1168
00:44:23,325 --> 00:44:24,893
don't think ten d merits a

1169
00:44:24,893 --> 00:44:26,227
workshop. It's already been

1170
00:44:26,227 --> 00:44:28,463
approved. You're talking about

1171
00:44:28,463 --> 00:44:31,266
ten d ten d yeah, that's why i

1172
00:44:31,266 --> 00:44:34,570
asked ten d it's been, it's I

1173
00:44:34,570 --> 00:44:37,472
just heard ten b no it's b c

1174
00:44:37,472 --> 00:44:39,341
and d right. So ten d has

1175
00:44:39,341 --> 00:44:41,410
already gone through a workshop

1176
00:44:41,410 --> 00:44:44,410
has already been discussed ad

1177
00:44:44,879 --> 00:44:46,515
nauseam at the last ad hoc

1178
00:44:46,515 --> 00:44:48,316
committee. I don't think it

1179
00:44:48,316 --> 00:44:50,518
merits an additional what are

1180
00:44:50,518 --> 00:44:52,754
we going to talk about. This is

1181
00:44:52,754 --> 00:44:53,389
something that's already been

1182
00:44:53,389 --> 00:44:55,789
discussed. It's something that

1183
00:44:56,491 --> 00:44:58,527
is prepared to be voted on and

1184
00:44:58,527 --> 00:45:01,897
to defer to a workshop. I just

1185
00:45:01,897 --> 00:45:03,898
don't see the logic behind that.

1186
00:45:03,898 --> 00:45:06,898
I'm good with your analysis.

1187
00:45:08,200 --> 00:45:11,473
Thank you. I agree, I agree

1188
00:45:11,473 --> 00:45:13,175
with Mike. So there was a

1189
00:45:13,175 --> 00:45:16,775
motion and a second. Yeah. So

1190
00:45:17,712 --> 00:45:20,616
we vote on ten b, c and d. You

1191
00:45:20,616 --> 00:45:24,816
those that wish to defer it say

1192
00:45:25,253 --> 00:45:26,788
I. Aye those opposed. No no nay

1193
00:45:26,788 --> 00:45:28,788
Councilmember Kaplan and

1194
00:45:29,240 --> 00:45:30,492
Councilmember Bosco and what

1195
00:45:30,492 --> 00:45:32,492
happened. It's deferred.

1196
00:45:33,128 --> 00:45:35,128
Deferred. Deferred motion

1197
00:45:37,990 --> 00:45:40,168
carries three. Okay. I have a

1198
00:45:40,168 --> 00:45:42,871
question for your item. Nine g.

1199
00:45:42,871 --> 00:45:44,639
Would you be okay with treating

1200
00:45:44,639 --> 00:45:46,809
it the same way and creating a

1201
00:45:46,809 --> 00:45:47,342
workshop around that to go a

1202
00:45:47,342 --> 00:45:49,244
little bit deeper on the

1203
00:45:49,244 --> 00:45:51,213
variances, or do you still want

1204
00:45:51,213 --> 00:45:53,348
to have that discussion? Well,

1205
00:45:53,348 --> 00:45:54,749
this is because you mentioned

1206
00:45:54,749 --> 00:45:55,317
you want to have a discussion

1207
00:45:55,317 --> 00:45:57,653
workshop would allow that,

1208
00:45:57,653 --> 00:45:59,321
right? My issue is, yeah, this

1209
00:45:59,321 --> 00:46:01,456
has been brewing now I've been

1210
00:46:01,456 --> 00:46:03,592
on council for a year. This has

1211
00:46:03,592 --> 00:46:04,393
been brewing for a year and I

1212
00:46:04,393 --> 00:46:05,660
don't know. Now we're getting

1213
00:46:05,660 --> 00:46:07,396
to Thanksgiving, Christmas

1214
00:46:07,396 --> 00:46:08,663
where we're going to have a

1215
00:46:08,663 --> 00:46:10,399
workshop and I think we need to

1216
00:46:10,399 --> 00:46:12,467
discuss it. It I don't know if

1217
00:46:12,467 --> 00:46:14,369
we need to make a decision on

1218
00:46:14,369 --> 00:46:16,338
today, but I think we need to

1219
00:46:16,338 --> 00:46:18,840
discuss what's going on. I'm

1220
00:46:18,840 --> 00:46:21,240
discussing I support discussion,

1221
00:46:23,311 --> 00:46:26,311
okay. Anything else? All right.

1222
00:46:26,482 --> 00:46:28,517
All those in favor of the

1223
00:46:28,517 --> 00:46:31,486
agenda changes, I I'm sorry.

1224
00:46:31,486 --> 00:46:34,486
Was there an objection? No.

1225
00:46:35,900 --> 00:46:38,900
Okay. Motion carries. The next

1226
00:46:38,226 --> 00:46:41,226
item is a special recognition

1227
00:46:53,740 --> 00:46:56,740
for Officer Gordon r Spitler.

1228
00:46:56,511 --> 00:46:58,279
Good evening. Mayor, Council

1229
00:46:58,279 --> 00:47:00,682
manager, before we start with

1230
00:47:00,682 --> 00:47:01,649
the special recognition, I just

1231
00:47:01,649 --> 00:47:03,285
want to thank the mayor for

1232
00:47:03,285 --> 00:47:05,321
acknowledging the last week in

1233
00:47:05,321 --> 00:47:06,888
Dade County has been extremely

1234
00:47:06,888 --> 00:47:08,624
difficult for law enforcement.

1235
00:47:08,624 --> 00:47:09,458
And we did have members at both

1236
00:47:09,458 --> 00:47:11,727
services, including today. So

1237
00:47:11,727 --> 00:47:13,294
thank you for acknowledging

1238
00:47:13,294 --> 00:47:14,763
that. But let's celebrate some

1239
00:47:14,763 --> 00:47:17,399
good stuff, because we don't

1240
00:47:17,399 --> 00:47:19,535
get to do that often. And it's

1241
00:47:19,535 --> 00:47:21,236
with great pride that I stand

1242
00:47:21,236 --> 00:47:23,371
here before you today to

1243
00:47:23,371 --> 00:47:25,206
formally recognize Officer

1244
00:47:25,206 --> 00:47:27,409
Gordon Spitler for his

1245
00:47:27,409 --> 00:47:29,110
exemplary actions on Friday,

1246
00:47:29,110 --> 00:47:30,412
OCTOBER 17th of this year, we

1247
00:47:30,412 --> 00:47:31,980
received a request from

1248
00:47:31,980 --> 00:47:33,548
Miami-Dade Sheriff's Office

1249
00:47:33,548 --> 00:47:35,284
with an emergency at Hovey

1250
00:47:35,284 --> 00:47:36,451
Beach involving an overturned

1251
00:47:36,451 --> 00:47:38,120
kayak and two distressed

1252
00:47:38,120 --> 00:47:40,255
swimmers. And at the time,

1253
00:47:40,255 --> 00:47:41,257
Miami-Dade Sheriff's Office

1254
00:47:41,257 --> 00:47:42,900
didn't have available vessels

1255
00:47:42,900 --> 00:47:43,425
to respond. Officer Spitler was

1256
00:47:43,425 --> 00:47:45,527
dispatched and promptly arrived

1257
00:47:45,527 --> 00:47:47,529
in the area, and he was

1258
00:47:47,529 --> 00:47:48,496
directed to where the victim's

1259
00:47:48,496 --> 00:47:50,365
location was. Upon locating

1260
00:47:50,365 --> 00:47:51,700
both individuals who were in

1261
00:47:51,700 --> 00:47:53,268
the water, he observed that

1262
00:47:53,268 --> 00:47:55,404
they were visibly in distress

1263
00:47:55,404 --> 00:47:56,205
and struggling to stay afloat,

1264
00:47:56,205 --> 00:47:58,273
and despite operating as a one

1265
00:47:58,273 --> 00:48:00,609
man unit, he demonstrated

1266
00:48:00,609 --> 00:48:02,344
exceptional composure, decisive

1267
00:48:02,344 --> 00:48:04,479
action under pressure as he

1268
00:48:04,479 --> 00:48:05,580
positioned his vessel to safely

1269
00:48:05,580 --> 00:48:07,282
render immediate aid. He

1270
00:48:07,282 --> 00:48:08,918
immediately recognized one of

1271
00:48:08,918 --> 00:48:10,118
the swimmers was in severe

1272
00:48:10,118 --> 00:48:11,520
distress, but he maneuvered

1273
00:48:11,520 --> 00:48:12,454
closer and successfully brought

1274
00:48:12,454 --> 00:48:14,123
that individual aboard by

1275
00:48:14,123 --> 00:48:16,523
physically hoisting him from

1276
00:48:16,825 --> 00:48:18,930
the water. Despite the victim's

1277
00:48:18,930 --> 00:48:19,561
exhaustion and lack of mobility,

1278
00:48:19,561 --> 00:48:20,328
he immediately placed the

1279
00:48:20,328 --> 00:48:22,728
individual into a recovery

1280
00:48:23,980 --> 00:48:23,565
position and began to monitor

1281
00:48:23,565 --> 00:48:25,267
their condition while

1282
00:48:25,267 --> 00:48:26,534
simultaneously coordinating the

1283
00:48:26,534 --> 00:48:28,270
rescue of the second swimmer.

1284
00:48:28,270 --> 00:48:29,571
Through his calm leadership

1285
00:48:29,571 --> 00:48:31,390
sound judgment, both victims

1286
00:48:31,390 --> 00:48:32,474
were safely recovered and

1287
00:48:32,474 --> 00:48:33,775
transported to the dock area at

1288
00:48:33,775 --> 00:48:35,844
Miami, Seaquarium, for medical

1289
00:48:35,844 --> 00:48:37,479
assistance. His quick response,

1290
00:48:37,479 --> 00:48:39,314
courage, and prompt execution

1291
00:48:39,314 --> 00:48:40,482
of his duties directly resulted

1292
00:48:40,482 --> 00:48:42,117
in the preservation of two

1293
00:48:42,117 --> 00:48:43,418
lives. His actions exemplify

1294
00:48:43,418 --> 00:48:45,620
the highest standards of public

1295
00:48:45,620 --> 00:48:47,356
service and bring great credit

1296
00:48:47,356 --> 00:48:48,490
upon himself and the Key

1297
00:48:48,490 --> 00:48:50,490
Biscayne community. Therefore,

1298
00:48:50,692 --> 00:48:52,794
I am extremely proud to award

1299
00:48:52,794 --> 00:48:54,229
Officer Gordon Spitler with the

1300
00:48:54,229 --> 00:48:55,330
agency's Lifesaving Award for

1301
00:48:55,330 --> 00:48:57,565
his heroic actions and

1302
00:48:57,565 --> 00:49:00,565
dedication to duty. During this

1303
00:49:14,449 --> 00:49:16,449
incident. Gordon.

1304
00:49:18,353 --> 00:49:20,289
He's afraid

1305
00:49:20,289 --> 00:49:22,757
to have you talk, so I'm just

1306
00:49:22,757 --> 00:49:24,259
going to do it anyways. I just

1307
00:49:24,259 --> 00:49:25,593
want to tell you, and for the

1308
00:49:25,593 --> 00:49:27,562
people here, we're a community

1309
00:49:27,562 --> 00:49:28,463
and it starts from the

1310
00:49:28,463 --> 00:49:29,564
residents here because I've

1311
00:49:29,564 --> 00:49:31,299
been doing this for 30 years.

1312
00:49:31,299 --> 00:49:32,901
You can see all the stripes

1313
00:49:32,901 --> 00:49:34,837
even more than the chief has

1314
00:49:34,837 --> 00:49:35,737
there. So it starts from the

1315
00:49:35,737 --> 00:49:37,506
community. You're supporting

1316
00:49:37,506 --> 00:49:39,374
the village council and making

1317
00:49:39,374 --> 00:49:41,210
these village council people

1318
00:49:41,210 --> 00:49:43,412
who then pick a great chief and

1319
00:49:43,412 --> 00:49:45,213
the chief then supports us. And

1320
00:49:45,213 --> 00:49:47,716
with your budget, you guys make

1321
00:49:47,716 --> 00:49:48,384
it so he's able to give us the

1322
00:49:48,384 --> 00:49:50,152
best training that departments

1323
00:49:50,152 --> 00:49:52,454
get. And with that training

1324
00:49:52,454 --> 00:49:53,355
that we get and the equipment

1325
00:49:53,355 --> 00:49:55,491
we get, we're able to go out

1326
00:49:55,491 --> 00:49:57,425
there and help the community

1327
00:49:57,425 --> 00:49:58,927
and do rescues that we do out

1328
00:49:58,927 --> 00:49:59,561
here for the village. And

1329
00:49:59,561 --> 00:50:01,797
always, as the village manager

1330
00:50:01,797 --> 00:50:02,764
says, you know, we keep this

1331
00:50:02,764 --> 00:50:04,433
place safe and secure. So thank

1332
00:50:04,433 --> 00:50:06,801
you for your support always and

1333
00:50:06,801 --> 00:50:11,100
what you do for us. Thank you,

1334
00:50:16,611 --> 00:50:17,579
thank you. Thanks, Tom. Gordon,

1335
00:50:17,579 --> 00:50:19,415
on behalf of this community, we

1336
00:50:19,415 --> 00:50:21,650
want to thank you for your

1337
00:50:21,650 --> 00:50:24,650
service here. Great job. Thank

1338
00:50:30,158 --> 00:50:33,758
you. MADAM Clerk. I'd like to

1339
00:50:33,795 --> 00:50:36,795
move up since our commissioner

1340
00:50:37,980 --> 00:50:40,698
is here, let's move ten a

1341
00:50:41,636 --> 00:50:43,371
forward. Okay. A resolution of

1342
00:50:43,371 --> 00:50:45,407
the village council of the

1343
00:50:45,407 --> 00:50:46,975
Village of Key Biscayne,

1344
00:50:46,975 --> 00:50:47,508
Florida, approving a memorandum

1345
00:50:47,508 --> 00:50:49,344
of understanding with the

1346
00:50:49,344 --> 00:50:51,446
friends of the underline.

1347
00:50:51,446 --> 00:50:52,147
Underline, Inc. For advisory

1348
00:50:52,147 --> 00:50:54,547
services relating to the

1349
00:50:54,851 --> 00:50:57,251
Rickenbacker Causeway in an

1350
00:50:57,486 --> 00:50:58,620
amount not to exceed $950,000,

1351
00:50:58,620 --> 00:50:59,788
providing for waiver of

1352
00:50:59,788 --> 00:51:01,123
competitive bidding, providing

1353
00:51:01,123 --> 00:51:03,123
for authorization, and

1354
00:51:03,992 --> 00:51:05,827
providing for an effective date

1355
00:51:05,827 --> 00:51:07,529
move moved second properly

1356
00:51:07,529 --> 00:51:10,529
before us. MR. Manager, you

1357
00:51:10,799 --> 00:51:13,168
want to lead us off? Yes, MR.

1358
00:51:13,168 --> 00:51:14,269
Mayor, and yes, MR. Mayor and

1359
00:51:14,269 --> 00:51:15,504
Council members, I do want to

1360
00:51:15,504 --> 00:51:17,373
recognize. I do believe the

1361
00:51:17,373 --> 00:51:18,707
commissioner is here. I'm sorry.

1362
00:51:18,707 --> 00:51:20,442
There she is. We also have with

1363
00:51:20,442 --> 00:51:22,410
us also the ceo of the friends

1364
00:51:22,410 --> 00:51:24,246
of the Underline, as well as

1365
00:51:24,246 --> 00:51:25,647
the, we hope, the team from

1366
00:51:25,647 --> 00:51:27,315
Serbia who's going to be doing

1367
00:51:27,315 --> 00:51:28,517
with us. So what we have before

1368
00:51:28,517 --> 00:51:30,485
you and what we brought

1369
00:51:30,485 --> 00:51:31,619
together is a memorandum of

1370
00:51:31,619 --> 00:51:33,322
understanding, as well as the

1371
00:51:33,322 --> 00:51:34,423
proposal to execute this

1372
00:51:34,423 --> 00:51:35,457
project. This is something

1373
00:51:35,457 --> 00:51:37,560
we've been working on very

1374
00:51:37,560 --> 00:51:38,326
closely with the friends of The

1375
00:51:38,326 --> 00:51:39,527
Underline, as well as the

1376
00:51:39,527 --> 00:51:41,129
consultants that are bringing

1377
00:51:41,129 --> 00:51:42,297
on. Some people MAY ask, why

1378
00:51:42,297 --> 00:51:43,999
are we bringing on the

1379
00:51:43,999 --> 00:51:45,500
underlying? We're bringing them

1380
00:51:45,500 --> 00:51:46,869
on because of their expertise,

1381
00:51:46,869 --> 00:51:48,337
their experience, and also

1382
00:51:48,337 --> 00:51:50,737
their access to these

1383
00:51:51,273 --> 00:51:53,508
consultants. We believe the Mou

1384
00:51:53,508 --> 00:51:55,910
we put together reflects both

1385
00:51:55,910 --> 00:51:57,910
the village's priorities

1386
00:51:58,413 --> 00:51:59,748
primarily, as well as creating

1387
00:51:59,748 --> 00:52:01,316
what MR. Stearns talked about

1388
00:52:01,316 --> 00:52:03,418
before, an opportunity to

1389
00:52:03,418 --> 00:52:05,818
create a regional destination.

1390
00:52:06,688 --> 00:52:07,488
So the work has been done, the

1391
00:52:07,488 --> 00:52:09,591
money has been set aside, and

1392
00:52:09,591 --> 00:52:11,660
now we have in front of you is

1393
00:52:11,660 --> 00:52:12,460
the opportunity to make the

1394
00:52:12,460 --> 00:52:15,460
decision to move forward with

1395
00:52:15,665 --> 00:52:18,650
this project any time.

1396
00:52:19,200 --> 00:52:22,200
Questions on the board. Steve.

1397
00:52:22,437 --> 00:52:24,406
Question if we. Comparative

1398
00:52:24,406 --> 00:52:26,174
analysis study based on the

1399
00:52:26,174 --> 00:52:28,610
last page of the project budget.

1400
00:52:28,610 --> 00:52:30,646
Can you give me an idea of what

1401
00:52:30,646 --> 00:52:32,314
it would be? The cost would be

1402
00:52:32,314 --> 00:52:33,515
to basically do the design

1403
00:52:33,515 --> 00:52:35,684
comparable for what the county

1404
00:52:35,684 --> 00:52:38,120
is going to going to do this

1405
00:52:38,120 --> 00:52:40,255
proposing and what Rigoletto's

1406
00:52:40,255 --> 00:52:41,556
plan is proposing. I'm not I'm

1407
00:52:41,556 --> 00:52:43,124
not sure I'm getting what

1408
00:52:43,124 --> 00:52:44,359
you're saying. Okay. So I was

1409
00:52:44,359 --> 00:52:46,295
just trying to understand if in

1410
00:52:46,295 --> 00:52:47,529
the in the budget line items

1411
00:52:47,529 --> 00:52:49,164
here, you got task one through

1412
00:52:49,164 --> 00:52:50,298
through seven, is there a

1413
00:52:50,298 --> 00:52:52,698
specific task there that's

1414
00:52:52,801 --> 00:52:53,402
doing a comparison between what

1415
00:52:53,402 --> 00:52:56,402
the county's plan would cost

1416
00:52:56,405 --> 00:52:58,640
and what their plan would cost?

1417
00:52:58,640 --> 00:53:00,442
No, there is not, because I

1418
00:53:00,442 --> 00:53:01,409
don't think the county's plan

1419
00:53:01,409 --> 00:53:03,345
is far enough along in order

1420
00:53:03,345 --> 00:53:06,114
for it to make sense. But in a

1421
00:53:06,114 --> 00:53:07,415
big scheme, big course it is.

1422
00:53:07,415 --> 00:53:10,415
Yeah. There's no there. There's

1423
00:53:10,418 --> 00:53:11,386
no way to get a baseline for

1424
00:53:11,386 --> 00:53:14,386
those two. Maybe, maybe Raquel

1425
00:53:14,456 --> 00:53:16,225
can address that. I'm happy to

1426
00:53:16,225 --> 00:53:18,827
respond to that. Yeah. So the

1427
00:53:18,827 --> 00:53:20,295
so the county does have a plan

1428
00:53:20,295 --> 00:53:21,629
for Burkhardt. And as you know,

1429
00:53:21,629 --> 00:53:23,265
we've talked about how we've

1430
00:53:23,265 --> 00:53:25,500
kind of put a pin in the Nepa

1431
00:53:25,500 --> 00:53:26,268
and we did extend it

1432
00:53:26,268 --> 00:53:28,668
geographically, but the county

1433
00:53:29,204 --> 00:53:31,339
does not have in the budget

1434
00:53:31,339 --> 00:53:33,541
anything for the complete redo

1435
00:53:33,541 --> 00:53:35,177
of the Rickenbacker. What they

1436
00:53:35,177 --> 00:53:37,779
have is some funding that we've

1437
00:53:37,779 --> 00:53:39,448
set aside for immediate fixes

1438
00:53:39,448 --> 00:53:41,550
that we've talked about, and

1439
00:53:41,550 --> 00:53:43,217
we've had other public meetings

1440
00:53:43,217 --> 00:53:44,419
about and we're actively

1441
00:53:44,419 --> 00:53:47,155
working on, but there is no

1442
00:53:47,155 --> 00:53:49,391
funding for the Rickenbacker.

1443
00:53:49,391 --> 00:53:51,326
We did ensure in the last

1444
00:53:51,326 --> 00:53:52,394
budget that the money that is

1445
00:53:52,394 --> 00:53:54,929
being collected for the tolls,

1446
00:53:54,929 --> 00:53:56,231
and I spoke about that when I

1447
00:53:56,231 --> 00:53:58,366
was here last time, was going

1448
00:53:58,366 --> 00:54:00,101
to pay all the debt for the

1449
00:54:00,101 --> 00:54:02,404
William Powell, because I want

1450
00:54:02,404 --> 00:54:04,505
to make sure as we reset the

1451
00:54:04,505 --> 00:54:06,341
Nepa, that we can go out for a

1452
00:54:06,341 --> 00:54:07,508
bigger bond to do all of the

1453
00:54:07,508 --> 00:54:09,508
Rickenbacker, including the

1454
00:54:10,245 --> 00:54:12,447
bear cut. So that is already

1455
00:54:12,447 --> 00:54:14,349
baked in. But in the county

1456
00:54:14,349 --> 00:54:17,352
budget, there is no money for

1457
00:54:17,352 --> 00:54:19,154
the Rickenbacker post. The

1458
00:54:19,154 --> 00:54:20,422
immediate changes that we're

1459
00:54:20,422 --> 00:54:22,391
making now, and that's why we

1460
00:54:22,391 --> 00:54:24,726
didn't have a comparison. I

1461
00:54:24,726 --> 00:54:26,561
have met with our state and

1462
00:54:26,561 --> 00:54:28,961
federal partners about changes

1463
00:54:29,731 --> 00:54:31,533
to the Nepa, and they're open

1464
00:54:31,533 --> 00:54:32,868
to that. And as we discussed

1465
00:54:32,868 --> 00:54:35,470
last time, the county really

1466
00:54:35,470 --> 00:54:37,372
has not moved forward on the

1467
00:54:37,372 --> 00:54:39,340
Nepa. They're waiting for us to

1468
00:54:39,340 --> 00:54:43,211
do this planning so we can all

1469
00:54:43,211 --> 00:54:46,181
kind of catch up together.

1470
00:54:46,181 --> 00:54:49,181
Happy to take any other

1471
00:54:50,386 --> 00:54:52,386
questions. Brief question.

1472
00:54:52,454 --> 00:54:54,223
Commissioner, thank you for

1473
00:54:54,223 --> 00:54:56,358
always. Thank you for coming

1474
00:54:56,358 --> 00:54:59,358
over with the the investment

1475
00:54:59,661 --> 00:55:01,263
that we're making. I fully

1476
00:55:01,263 --> 00:55:02,664
concur that it's duly necessary.

1477
00:55:02,664 --> 00:55:04,399
We have to move forward with

1478
00:55:04,399 --> 00:55:07,999
this. We have to provide our

1479
00:55:08,203 --> 00:55:11,506
own input on it. And but in the

1480
00:55:11,506 --> 00:55:12,573
process of evaluating and

1481
00:55:12,573 --> 00:55:14,309
seeing and doing our due

1482
00:55:14,309 --> 00:55:15,576
diligence, one of the things

1483
00:55:15,576 --> 00:55:17,212
that I'm always concerned about

1484
00:55:17,212 --> 00:55:18,881
is what is it that can we do

1485
00:55:18,881 --> 00:55:21,281
that is not infrastructure

1486
00:55:21,349 --> 00:55:23,184
related, but that provides more

1487
00:55:23,184 --> 00:55:24,486
cohesion between the different

1488
00:55:24,486 --> 00:55:27,123
agencies? When we have big

1489
00:55:27,123 --> 00:55:29,858
events or big issues. So we can

1490
00:55:29,858 --> 00:55:31,159
we can do it better. I don't

1491
00:55:31,159 --> 00:55:33,928
know what that solution is, but

1492
00:55:33,928 --> 00:55:35,564
it seems to me. So that's part

1493
00:55:35,564 --> 00:55:37,231
of our working on right now

1494
00:55:37,231 --> 00:55:38,800
plan. And we have several

1495
00:55:38,800 --> 00:55:40,234
meetings on that. And we are

1496
00:55:40,234 --> 00:55:42,371
counting cars. We are getting

1497
00:55:42,371 --> 00:55:43,905
the zip code information. We

1498
00:55:43,905 --> 00:55:46,274
are meeting with the

1499
00:55:46,274 --> 00:55:48,142
stakeholders and your manager's

1500
00:55:48,142 --> 00:55:50,245
part of those meetings. So yes,

1501
00:55:50,245 --> 00:55:51,846
council member and I believe I

1502
00:55:51,846 --> 00:55:53,548
sent out an update about two

1503
00:55:53,548 --> 00:55:54,582
weeks ago. I'll forward it to

1504
00:55:54,582 --> 00:55:55,283
you. It's actually moving

1505
00:55:55,283 --> 00:55:57,283
pretty quickly. They've

1506
00:55:57,352 --> 00:55:58,487
committed to have a

1507
00:55:58,487 --> 00:56:00,455
transportation maintenance plan

1508
00:56:00,455 --> 00:56:02,624
or management plan in place by

1509
00:56:02,624 --> 00:56:03,625
the beginning of the season. By

1510
00:56:03,625 --> 00:56:05,427
JANUARY, we've asked them to

1511
00:56:05,427 --> 00:56:07,228
put that in place. It'll help

1512
00:56:07,228 --> 00:56:09,430
us communicate, coordinate any

1513
00:56:09,430 --> 00:56:11,299
events or peak season traffic,

1514
00:56:11,299 --> 00:56:13,601
and also find short term, as

1515
00:56:13,601 --> 00:56:15,360
you mentioned, short term

1516
00:56:15,360 --> 00:56:17,360
infrastructure solutions that

1517
00:56:17,539 --> 00:56:19,574
will reduce the impact on my

1518
00:56:19,574 --> 00:56:21,342
return on investment that are

1519
00:56:21,342 --> 00:56:24,212
looking for on my end. My staff

1520
00:56:24,212 --> 00:56:25,314
has been working and we are

1521
00:56:25,314 --> 00:56:27,348
purchasing the signs. So we

1522
00:56:27,348 --> 00:56:28,417
have worked with fdot and we

1523
00:56:28,417 --> 00:56:30,519
are making the purchase of the

1524
00:56:30,519 --> 00:56:31,620
signs. So we'll go back. We

1525
00:56:31,620 --> 00:56:33,321
have talked to fdot. They're

1526
00:56:33,321 --> 00:56:34,522
going to let us put some

1527
00:56:34,522 --> 00:56:35,390
information on the signage that

1528
00:56:35,390 --> 00:56:37,525
already exists, but we were

1529
00:56:37,525 --> 00:56:40,862
told by the state that we could

1530
00:56:40,862 --> 00:56:43,262
not put information regarding

1531
00:56:44,332 --> 00:56:46,601
the closure of Crandon or the

1532
00:56:46,601 --> 00:56:49,304
closure of Bill Baggs on their

1533
00:56:49,304 --> 00:56:50,538
signage. They can only put

1534
00:56:50,538 --> 00:56:52,307
information on street closures

1535
00:56:52,307 --> 00:56:54,342
on their signage. So we're

1536
00:56:54,342 --> 00:56:55,844
going to go ahead and we're

1537
00:56:55,844 --> 00:56:57,779
going to be purchasing those

1538
00:56:57,779 --> 00:57:00,515
signs with the county and

1539
00:57:00,515 --> 00:57:02,183
placing them in different parts,

1540
00:57:02,183 --> 00:57:05,153
because again, we're going into

1541
00:57:05,153 --> 00:57:08,230
high season, we need to give

1542
00:57:08,230 --> 00:57:08,523
people a heads up. So we're

1543
00:57:08,523 --> 00:57:10,158
going to be making that

1544
00:57:10,158 --> 00:57:12,360
investment and listen on

1545
00:57:12,360 --> 00:57:15,360
unrelated but related, right? I

1546
00:57:15,930 --> 00:57:18,133
have been working on some

1547
00:57:18,133 --> 00:57:19,400
issues with sargassum, and I've

1548
00:57:19,400 --> 00:57:21,537
met with your manager, and we

1549
00:57:21,537 --> 00:57:23,504
are going to be bringing you a

1550
00:57:23,504 --> 00:57:25,340
plan to save you some money on

1551
00:57:25,340 --> 00:57:27,342
sargassum side. So we were able

1552
00:57:27,342 --> 00:57:29,611
to to move some things around

1553
00:57:29,611 --> 00:57:31,813
there, and I'll bring that to

1554
00:57:31,813 --> 00:57:34,249
you in the next two months. So

1555
00:57:34,249 --> 00:57:35,483
and I've also made requests to

1556
00:57:35,483 --> 00:57:37,352
private donors to help us with

1557
00:57:37,352 --> 00:57:40,122
this plan. So we're we're open

1558
00:57:40,122 --> 00:57:41,623
to that. We have a few people

1559
00:57:41,623 --> 00:57:43,158
that have said that they have

1560
00:57:43,158 --> 00:57:44,425
an interest, and I'm going to

1561
00:57:44,425 --> 00:57:47,262
keep working on that. So as

1562
00:57:47,262 --> 00:57:48,363
soon as we if as soon as we get

1563
00:57:48,363 --> 00:57:50,763
those commitments, we'll, we'll

1564
00:57:51,330 --> 00:57:54,633
take we'll lower this amount as

1565
00:57:55,370 --> 00:57:57,672
much as possible. So. Yeah, I'm

1566
00:57:57,672 --> 00:57:59,841
glad that you brought that up

1567
00:57:59,841 --> 00:58:02,143
because I think that that has

1568
00:58:02,143 --> 00:58:05,143
been certainly been my attempt

1569
00:58:05,480 --> 00:58:07,449
to, to take on this situation

1570
00:58:07,449 --> 00:58:09,484
here. And one, as I've always

1571
00:58:09,484 --> 00:58:11,153
said, there's a short term fix

1572
00:58:11,153 --> 00:58:12,453
because this infrastructure

1573
00:58:12,453 --> 00:58:14,288
project is not going to happen

1574
00:58:14,288 --> 00:58:16,324
overnight. So there's a short

1575
00:58:16,324 --> 00:58:18,493
term fix which is doing the

1576
00:58:18,493 --> 00:58:20,596
kinds of things that we're

1577
00:58:20,596 --> 00:58:22,497
doing to understand the traffic

1578
00:58:22,497 --> 00:58:24,299
patterns and to have a better

1579
00:58:24,299 --> 00:58:26,699
maintenance of traffic plans

1580
00:58:26,902 --> 00:58:29,270
that are in place. And and

1581
00:58:29,270 --> 00:58:31,440
those are with the county and

1582
00:58:31,440 --> 00:58:33,241
the city and working together.

1583
00:58:33,241 --> 00:58:35,977
And then there is what we're

1584
00:58:35,977 --> 00:58:38,377
talking about here tonight,

1585
00:58:39,347 --> 00:58:41,582
which is, as someone said, no

1586
00:58:41,582 --> 00:58:42,284
one's going to do this for us.

1587
00:58:42,284 --> 00:58:44,520
Nobody nobody's going to do

1588
00:58:44,520 --> 00:58:46,888
this for us. Nobody's going to

1589
00:58:46,888 --> 00:58:49,490
step up. This is this is Key

1590
00:58:49,490 --> 00:58:50,258
Biscayne issue. So if it's Key

1591
00:58:50,258 --> 00:58:52,393
Biscayne issue, we got to put

1592
00:58:52,393 --> 00:58:54,596
Key Biscayne money in it to try

1593
00:58:54,596 --> 00:58:56,197
to, to to find what those

1594
00:58:56,197 --> 00:58:58,433
solutions are. And those

1595
00:58:58,433 --> 00:59:00,769
solutions have to do with our

1596
00:59:00,769 --> 00:59:02,870
being able to get in and out of

1597
00:59:02,870 --> 00:59:05,240
our homes. Okay. And nobody

1598
00:59:05,240 --> 00:59:07,800
really pardon me, MADAM

1599
00:59:07,800 --> 00:59:09,408
Commissioner, but nobody really

1600
00:59:10,646 --> 00:59:13,646
cares about about our issue.

1601
00:59:15,160 --> 00:59:17,819
Okay. So this is our attempt to

1602
00:59:17,819 --> 00:59:19,387
go forward and do something to

1603
00:59:19,387 --> 00:59:22,257
figure out whether this this

1604
00:59:22,257 --> 00:59:23,358
dream is feasible. If the dream

1605
00:59:23,358 --> 00:59:26,227
is not feasible, we'll go to

1606
00:59:26,227 --> 00:59:28,329
plan b. But but this is a good,

1607
00:59:28,329 --> 00:59:30,164
good start. And this is what we

1608
00:59:30,164 --> 00:59:33,935
need to do to get to the to the

1609
00:59:33,935 --> 00:59:34,603
next phase of of solving in on

1610
00:59:34,603 --> 00:59:37,372
a long term basis. We're

1611
00:59:37,372 --> 00:59:38,773
working on the short term, but

1612
00:59:38,773 --> 00:59:41,309
we're also working on the long

1613
00:59:41,309 --> 00:59:42,510
term. And I want to say I've

1614
00:59:42,510 --> 00:59:44,246
also brought an item to the tpo

1615
00:59:44,246 --> 00:59:46,381
and we're working on that. And

1616
00:59:46,381 --> 00:59:48,116
we should roll that out

1617
00:59:48,116 --> 00:59:50,418
hopefully by the beginning of

1618
00:59:50,418 --> 00:59:52,554
the year. Also for some busses.

1619
00:59:52,554 --> 00:59:53,955
So one of the things that we're

1620
00:59:53,955 --> 00:59:55,690
doing is we're going to be

1621
00:59:55,690 --> 00:59:56,791
counting cars at the different

1622
00:59:56,791 --> 00:59:58,360
locations, and then we're going

1623
00:59:58,360 --> 01:00:00,895
to be working with the city and

1624
01:00:00,895 --> 01:00:01,763
private vendors to do busses

1625
01:00:01,763 --> 01:00:03,331
for these events. And we're

1626
01:00:03,331 --> 01:00:05,433
going to have people park at

1627
01:00:05,433 --> 01:00:07,268
our Metrorail stations and then

1628
01:00:07,268 --> 01:00:09,404
bus them in and out. So we are

1629
01:00:09,404 --> 01:00:11,773
looking at finding a way to

1630
01:00:11,773 --> 01:00:13,775
limit the cars in whatever way

1631
01:00:13,775 --> 01:00:15,577
possible. We are planning on

1632
01:00:15,577 --> 01:00:17,913
using that same system for Art

1633
01:00:17,913 --> 01:00:18,980
Basel. So it's not this is not

1634
01:00:18,980 --> 01:00:20,582
the only place that it's going

1635
01:00:20,582 --> 01:00:22,617
to be used, but I think here it

1636
01:00:22,617 --> 01:00:23,685
would be very impactful. Okay.

1637
01:00:23,685 --> 01:00:25,220
So seemingly you're getting

1638
01:00:25,220 --> 01:00:27,322
some good feedback from all the

1639
01:00:27,322 --> 01:00:28,523
stakeholders. The county

1640
01:00:28,523 --> 01:00:30,391
willingness to slow down the

1641
01:00:30,391 --> 01:00:32,327
Nepa with the bare cut. That's

1642
01:00:32,327 --> 01:00:33,328
a good sign. Now you're talking

1643
01:00:33,328 --> 01:00:35,697
about potentially looking at

1644
01:00:35,697 --> 01:00:36,464
events and transportation.

1645
01:00:36,464 --> 01:00:38,366
That's certainly to me is an

1646
01:00:38,366 --> 01:00:40,635
update from the last time we

1647
01:00:40,635 --> 01:00:41,436
spoke. Anything else that you

1648
01:00:41,436 --> 01:00:42,671
could shed on feeling how

1649
01:00:42,671 --> 01:00:44,439
you're feeling about those

1650
01:00:44,439 --> 01:00:46,107
stakeholders and their take on

1651
01:00:46,107 --> 01:00:47,342
all of this? I know the county

1652
01:00:47,342 --> 01:00:50,544
had a plan then I was looking

1653
01:00:50,544 --> 01:00:52,180
at ours or I say ours. But what

1654
01:00:52,180 --> 01:00:54,583
about Miami? What about the

1655
01:00:54,583 --> 01:00:55,783
city? I've met with several.

1656
01:00:55,783 --> 01:00:57,619
Obviously we're waiting for the

1657
01:00:57,619 --> 01:00:59,454
City of Miami election, right?

1658
01:00:59,454 --> 01:01:01,222
But yes, I've met with the the

1659
01:01:01,222 --> 01:01:03,691
elected officials at the city

1660
01:01:03,691 --> 01:01:05,460
of Miami that are staying post

1661
01:01:05,460 --> 01:01:07,295
this election. And they've all

1662
01:01:07,295 --> 01:01:08,397
first, they have a relationship

1663
01:01:08,397 --> 01:01:10,231
already existing with the

1664
01:01:10,231 --> 01:01:12,568
underline. And I think that's

1665
01:01:12,568 --> 01:01:14,403
important. And secondly, they

1666
01:01:14,403 --> 01:01:16,571
are interested in a solution. I

1667
01:01:16,571 --> 01:01:17,472
have also been talking to them

1668
01:01:17,472 --> 01:01:18,706
about the convergence. So we

1669
01:01:18,706 --> 01:01:20,275
have also been talking about

1670
01:01:20,275 --> 01:01:22,277
potentially working on the

1671
01:01:22,277 --> 01:01:24,345
convergence and a connector. So,

1672
01:01:24,345 --> 01:01:26,348
you know, we're also talking

1673
01:01:26,348 --> 01:01:28,617
about just connecting trails

1674
01:01:28,617 --> 01:01:29,351
and bikeways in generally. And

1675
01:01:29,351 --> 01:01:31,152
that's been something that's

1676
01:01:31,152 --> 01:01:33,388
been very positive. There were

1677
01:01:33,388 --> 01:01:35,290
some folks on the city count,

1678
01:01:35,290 --> 01:01:37,192
the city commission that were

1679
01:01:37,192 --> 01:01:38,393
anti, you know, that kind of

1680
01:01:38,393 --> 01:01:40,793
thing. They're not there

1681
01:01:41,229 --> 01:01:42,497
anymore. So so I think that all

1682
01:01:42,497 --> 01:01:44,499
helps. And we have been talking

1683
01:01:44,499 --> 01:01:45,367
to them about Virginia Key and

1684
01:01:45,367 --> 01:01:46,501
their plans for Virginia Key

1685
01:01:46,501 --> 01:01:48,901
and obviously the Marine

1686
01:01:48,936 --> 01:01:50,172
Stadium. I actually worked with

1687
01:01:50,172 --> 01:01:52,306
the city of Miami on the

1688
01:01:52,306 --> 01:01:54,576
memorandum of transit that was

1689
01:01:54,576 --> 01:01:56,712
embedded in the rfp for the

1690
01:01:56,712 --> 01:01:58,613
Marine Stadium, but that has

1691
01:01:58,613 --> 01:02:00,315
fallen through. So we now have

1692
01:02:00,315 --> 01:02:01,550
to regroup with them. And we

1693
01:02:01,550 --> 01:02:03,551
have been meeting with the

1694
01:02:03,551 --> 01:02:04,786
sheriff on this issue, because

1695
01:02:04,786 --> 01:02:06,888
now there's another party

1696
01:02:06,888 --> 01:02:09,190
involved in this. We have been

1697
01:02:09,190 --> 01:02:11,325
we've spoken to we've spoken to

1698
01:02:11,325 --> 01:02:13,762
noaa. So all along, you know,

1699
01:02:13,762 --> 01:02:14,429
the you know, the Rickenbacker,

1700
01:02:14,429 --> 01:02:16,197
we've reached out to everyone

1701
01:02:16,197 --> 01:02:18,266
and everyone's excited about it.

1702
01:02:18,266 --> 01:02:19,534
I can tell you in terms of

1703
01:02:19,534 --> 01:02:21,502
update at the federal level and

1704
01:02:21,502 --> 01:02:22,303
at the state level, there is

1705
01:02:22,303 --> 01:02:24,505
interest in this idea of

1706
01:02:24,505 --> 01:02:26,841
reclaiming the road. And I

1707
01:02:26,841 --> 01:02:29,444
think there's a lot of interest

1708
01:02:29,444 --> 01:02:31,246
by private fundraisers. Also,

1709
01:02:31,246 --> 01:02:32,781
like private foundations are

1710
01:02:32,781 --> 01:02:34,416
interested in this idea of

1711
01:02:34,416 --> 01:02:36,685
resiliency and reclaiming. So I

1712
01:02:36,685 --> 01:02:38,453
think, as I said before, as a

1713
01:02:38,453 --> 01:02:40,870
stormwater project and as a

1714
01:02:40,870 --> 01:02:41,289
resiliency project, I think it

1715
01:02:41,289 --> 01:02:43,157
really has potential to get

1716
01:02:43,157 --> 01:02:43,825
funding through that venue. And

1717
01:02:43,825 --> 01:02:46,225
we're continually working on

1718
01:02:47,395 --> 01:02:49,230
that. Raquel, can you share any,

1719
01:02:49,230 --> 01:02:50,465
any numbers as far as private

1720
01:02:50,465 --> 01:02:52,334
donations? The hours that I've

1721
01:02:52,334 --> 01:02:55,934
made. Right. So the asset I've

1722
01:02:56,104 --> 01:02:59,700
made to date is 165 is what

1723
01:02:59,700 --> 01:02:59,774
I've asked for. So I have

1724
01:02:59,774 --> 01:03:01,142
people working on that. So that

1725
01:03:01,142 --> 01:03:04,742
would that would go against the

1726
01:03:06,481 --> 01:03:09,481
950. Yes. Okay. Okay. As we

1727
01:03:09,818 --> 01:03:11,619
work on memorializing Mo, we've

1728
01:03:11,619 --> 01:03:12,387
certainly had a lot of

1729
01:03:12,387 --> 01:03:14,787
experience with what doesn't

1730
01:03:15,256 --> 01:03:17,359
work. So let's please keep in

1731
01:03:17,359 --> 01:03:20,362
mind lessons learned as we as

1732
01:03:20,362 --> 01:03:22,998
we work on that. I agree with

1733
01:03:22,998 --> 01:03:25,166
the redevelopment of the

1734
01:03:25,166 --> 01:03:27,335
Seaquarium. Maybe it's time to

1735
01:03:27,335 --> 01:03:29,537
relook at the water taxi

1736
01:03:29,537 --> 01:03:31,406
connecting to Bayside and and

1737
01:03:31,406 --> 01:03:34,375
maybe the Grove. There is going

1738
01:03:34,375 --> 01:03:36,478
to be. There is a submerged

1739
01:03:36,478 --> 01:03:38,146
land piece that goes with that,

1740
01:03:38,146 --> 01:03:38,680
and there is going to be some

1741
01:03:38,680 --> 01:03:40,381
dredging because obviously

1742
01:03:40,381 --> 01:03:42,384
there's going to be a Marina.

1743
01:03:42,384 --> 01:03:43,384
So that's something that we can

1744
01:03:43,384 --> 01:03:45,920
look into. The issue with that

1745
01:03:45,920 --> 01:03:47,121
in the past has been the

1746
01:03:47,121 --> 01:03:49,390
manatees. However, that manatee

1747
01:03:49,390 --> 01:03:51,460
map is being redone, so I'm

1748
01:03:51,460 --> 01:03:53,261
happy to talk to the state

1749
01:03:53,261 --> 01:03:54,295
about that again. That's one of

1750
01:03:54,295 --> 01:03:56,831
the things that's supposed to

1751
01:03:56,831 --> 01:04:00,134
come back to the county soon.

1752
01:04:00,134 --> 01:04:02,237
Great. Yes, I will say on that.

1753
01:04:02,237 --> 01:04:03,571
And again, this this aquarium

1754
01:04:03,571 --> 01:04:06,308
item went to committee and it

1755
01:04:06,308 --> 01:04:08,376
goes before the full board, the

1756
01:04:08,376 --> 01:04:11,580
Marina and the dry dock there,

1757
01:04:11,580 --> 01:04:14,820
I think will also help us in

1758
01:04:14,820 --> 01:04:16,584
the future with some of the

1759
01:04:16,584 --> 01:04:18,486
boat traffic. So, I mean, I

1760
01:04:18,486 --> 01:04:19,287
think that's one of the, one of

1761
01:04:19,287 --> 01:04:21,656
the things that that I focused

1762
01:04:21,656 --> 01:04:22,491
on on that piece is there

1763
01:04:22,491 --> 01:04:24,326
really is a tremendous need. So

1764
01:04:24,326 --> 01:04:25,494
I think that will help us

1765
01:04:25,494 --> 01:04:27,894
somewhat. And that's something

1766
01:04:29,970 --> 01:04:31,500
that we can we can plan for. I

1767
01:04:31,500 --> 01:04:33,235
think when we now as we know

1768
01:04:33,235 --> 01:04:34,870
more about how this aquarium is

1769
01:04:34,870 --> 01:04:36,370
going to be used, we need to

1770
01:04:36,370 --> 01:04:38,440
put that into our system in

1771
01:04:38,440 --> 01:04:40,342
terms of the counting and the

1772
01:04:40,342 --> 01:04:42,110
humans. Right. And when they're

1773
01:04:42,110 --> 01:04:45,110
coming. But the programing of

1774
01:04:45,213 --> 01:04:47,281
that space is going to be all

1775
01:04:47,281 --> 01:04:48,550
the time. It's not going to be

1776
01:04:48,550 --> 01:04:50,651
at peak times, which is the

1777
01:04:50,651 --> 01:04:51,653
issue that we have with the

1778
01:04:51,653 --> 01:04:53,188
Marine Stadium and with

1779
01:04:53,188 --> 01:04:54,556
Virginia Key. Is there going to

1780
01:04:54,556 --> 01:04:56,424
be a it MAY not be determined

1781
01:04:56,424 --> 01:04:58,459
yet, but is there going to be a

1782
01:04:58,459 --> 01:05:00,328
launch in that Marina? Yes.

1783
01:05:00,328 --> 01:05:02,364
Okay. There is a launch in that

1784
01:05:02,364 --> 01:05:04,232
Marina. Once upon a time, this

1785
01:05:04,232 --> 01:05:05,566
aquarium did have a little boat

1786
01:05:05,566 --> 01:05:07,902
that used to go around that

1787
01:05:07,902 --> 01:05:09,571
area. So this aquarium lease

1788
01:05:09,571 --> 01:05:11,773
and what I'm presenting to the

1789
01:05:11,773 --> 01:05:13,774
Board of County commissioners

1790
01:05:13,774 --> 01:05:15,443
doesn't have any new uses. It

1791
01:05:15,443 --> 01:05:17,211
only has augmented of the

1792
01:05:17,211 --> 01:05:20,211
existing uses. So because there

1793
01:05:20,415 --> 01:05:22,183
was a dock and a boat, there is

1794
01:05:22,183 --> 01:05:24,819
how we get to a Marina and a

1795
01:05:24,819 --> 01:05:27,819
dry dock, because those things

1796
01:05:29,290 --> 01:05:31,920
existed in a smaller form. So.

1797
01:05:31,920 --> 01:05:32,694
I think the project is

1798
01:05:32,694 --> 01:05:35,940
fantastic. I think it's

1799
01:05:35,196 --> 01:05:37,265
beautiful. I think the

1800
01:05:37,265 --> 01:05:39,768
elevation, the viaduct, I think

1801
01:05:39,768 --> 01:05:40,602
additional beach, I think all

1802
01:05:40,602 --> 01:05:43,438
of it's fantastic. And more

1803
01:05:43,438 --> 01:05:44,339
importantly, we have you and I

1804
01:05:44,339 --> 01:05:46,474
think really Key Biscayne is

1805
01:05:46,474 --> 01:05:47,676
very fortunate to have a

1806
01:05:47,676 --> 01:05:49,343
commissioner like you. And when

1807
01:05:49,343 --> 01:05:51,312
you feel the same way, you're

1808
01:05:51,312 --> 01:05:52,280
going to be the best mayor we

1809
01:05:52,280 --> 01:05:53,715
have in the county. I think

1810
01:05:53,715 --> 01:05:55,283
you're bright, you're dynamic,

1811
01:05:55,283 --> 01:05:56,351
you're persuasive, you're

1812
01:05:56,351 --> 01:05:57,619
diligent, you're forward

1813
01:05:57,619 --> 01:05:59,220
thinking, you're creative, and

1814
01:05:59,220 --> 01:06:01,523
you're one hell of a saleswoman.

1815
01:06:01,523 --> 01:06:02,423
Okay? One hell of a saleswoman.

1816
01:06:02,423 --> 01:06:04,359
And you've basically convinced

1817
01:06:04,359 --> 01:06:05,527
these people. I mean, I'm

1818
01:06:05,527 --> 01:06:07,562
probably the only person you

1819
01:06:07,562 --> 01:06:09,731
haven't convinced to give you

1820
01:06:09,731 --> 01:06:10,398
$250,000. Well, for 11 years,

1821
01:06:10,398 --> 01:06:12,334
I've been examining budgets,

1822
01:06:12,334 --> 01:06:14,435
trying in vain to make the

1823
01:06:14,435 --> 01:06:16,637
village more efficient. Most of

1824
01:06:16,637 --> 01:06:17,505
my efforts have been in vain.

1825
01:06:17,505 --> 01:06:19,841
They've been failures. We

1826
01:06:19,841 --> 01:06:22,210
continued over budget, over

1827
01:06:22,210 --> 01:06:23,478
staff and over expend. But I

1828
01:06:23,478 --> 01:06:26,478
don't know of anything we've

1829
01:06:26,915 --> 01:06:28,483
done or have thought of doing

1830
01:06:28,483 --> 01:06:31,252
with the information we have.

1831
01:06:31,252 --> 01:06:32,420
There's a bigger waste of

1832
01:06:32,420 --> 01:06:34,956
$950,000, and I can think of

1833
01:06:34,956 --> 01:06:36,424
and I'll tell you why. First of

1834
01:06:36,424 --> 01:06:38,160
all, to go ahead and pay the

1835
01:06:38,160 --> 01:06:40,362
engineers to continue, the

1836
01:06:40,362 --> 01:06:41,429
engineers, the architects,

1837
01:06:41,429 --> 01:06:43,164
everybody for you to do the

1838
01:06:43,164 --> 01:06:44,967
outreach for you to do the

1839
01:06:44,967 --> 01:06:46,567
license. I think that's great,

1840
01:06:46,567 --> 01:06:50,167
except and I think, as Mike

1841
01:06:50,371 --> 01:06:51,573
said, we have no idea if

1842
01:06:51,573 --> 01:06:54,573
financially this can make any

1843
01:06:54,576 --> 01:06:56,878
possible sense. And the reason

1844
01:06:56,878 --> 01:06:58,313
I say that is because we don't

1845
01:06:58,313 --> 01:07:00,148
have a ballpark estimate, not a

1846
01:07:00,148 --> 01:07:02,350
detailed line estimate with

1847
01:07:02,350 --> 01:07:04,653
10,000 lines and saying down to

1848
01:07:04,653 --> 01:07:06,254
the last yard of concrete and a

1849
01:07:06,254 --> 01:07:08,423
ton of steel, it's going to

1850
01:07:08,423 --> 01:07:09,624
cost this versus the project

1851
01:07:09,624 --> 01:07:11,559
we've seen the county wants to

1852
01:07:11,559 --> 01:07:14,129
do, which is like, well, humps

1853
01:07:14,129 --> 01:07:16,231
and lumps basically have humps

1854
01:07:16,231 --> 01:07:18,800
go over things and people go

1855
01:07:18,800 --> 01:07:21,268
underneath good and cheap and

1856
01:07:21,268 --> 01:07:23,238
no comparison to this. But

1857
01:07:23,238 --> 01:07:25,640
there's a cost factor. And

1858
01:07:25,640 --> 01:07:26,475
since I know you probably all

1859
01:07:26,475 --> 01:07:28,576
convinced to give the 950 at

1860
01:07:28,576 --> 01:07:30,244
this point, consider this.

1861
01:07:30,244 --> 01:07:31,546
Consider what Mike was saying.

1862
01:07:31,546 --> 01:07:33,281
Consider the fact that let's

1863
01:07:33,281 --> 01:07:35,550
give an amount of money that we

1864
01:07:35,550 --> 01:07:37,118
can go ahead and get a ballpark

1865
01:07:37,118 --> 01:07:38,820
estimate for the two things.

1866
01:07:38,820 --> 01:07:40,555
Come back with adult to see

1867
01:07:40,555 --> 01:07:42,891
what that cost. And is that

1868
01:07:42,891 --> 01:07:44,458
practical? Is that possible? Is

1869
01:07:44,458 --> 01:07:46,327
that feasible? Can it be

1870
01:07:46,327 --> 01:07:47,828
financeable? Can the money be

1871
01:07:47,828 --> 01:07:49,397
raised before we go forward?

1872
01:07:49,397 --> 01:07:50,732
Because, as you said, we

1873
01:07:50,732 --> 01:07:52,400
shouldn't have said this.

1874
01:07:52,400 --> 01:07:54,535
Rachel, you said this is my

1875
01:07:54,535 --> 01:07:56,271
first ask. It's not my last,

1876
01:07:56,271 --> 01:07:59,174
it's the first ask. And you

1877
01:07:59,174 --> 01:08:00,408
know what? City of Miami is not

1878
01:08:00,408 --> 01:08:02,544
paying a penny to this. Dade

1879
01:08:02,544 --> 01:08:04,112
County is not putting a penny

1880
01:08:04,112 --> 01:08:05,480
to this. The state of Florida

1881
01:08:05,480 --> 01:08:08,449
with the park is not putting a

1882
01:08:08,449 --> 01:08:09,217
penny to this. The federal

1883
01:08:09,217 --> 01:08:10,519
government with Noah and the

1884
01:08:10,519 --> 01:08:12,454
fisheries, they're not putting

1885
01:08:12,454 --> 01:08:13,388
pennies. Now, of course, we

1886
01:08:13,388 --> 01:08:15,457
have more money than all they

1887
01:08:15,457 --> 01:08:16,624
do, but we have more money than

1888
01:08:16,624 --> 01:08:18,293
they do. And so we're being

1889
01:08:18,293 --> 01:08:20,328
asked to do it. And you know

1890
01:08:20,328 --> 01:08:22,300
what? I don't mind doing some

1891
01:08:22,300 --> 01:08:23,364
of the stuff. And if the whole

1892
01:08:23,364 --> 01:08:24,499
thing makes sense, if

1893
01:08:24,499 --> 01:08:27,101
dynamically we can look at it

1894
01:08:27,101 --> 01:08:27,869
and say, hey, you know what,

1895
01:08:27,869 --> 01:08:29,771
it's next to $200 million, $200

1896
01:08:29,771 --> 01:08:31,272
million over 30 years, 8

1897
01:08:31,272 --> 01:08:32,641
million, $9 million a year.

1898
01:08:32,641 --> 01:08:34,242
That's a doable number. So

1899
01:08:34,242 --> 01:08:35,343
let's go ahead and move forward

1900
01:08:35,343 --> 01:08:37,345
and let's spend the money,

1901
01:08:37,345 --> 01:08:39,281
because once we do that, we

1902
01:08:39,281 --> 01:08:40,816
have to convince the county and

1903
01:08:40,816 --> 01:08:43,216
everybody else involved that

1904
01:08:43,385 --> 01:08:44,752
it's feasible. Now, if we know

1905
01:08:44,752 --> 01:08:46,521
what it's going to cost, we can

1906
01:08:46,521 --> 01:08:48,189
do that. But if we have no idea

1907
01:08:48,189 --> 01:08:51,425
and we don't know what's going

1908
01:08:51,425 --> 01:08:52,527
to happen, I mean, I you're

1909
01:08:52,527 --> 01:08:54,329
much better salesperson than me,

1910
01:08:54,329 --> 01:08:55,330
but let me tell you, I've been

1911
01:08:55,330 --> 01:08:56,364
selling vacuum cleaners,

1912
01:08:56,364 --> 01:08:57,265
encyclopedias and every other

1913
01:08:57,265 --> 01:08:59,267
damn thing my whole life. And

1914
01:08:59,267 --> 01:09:00,568
when you get the facts, it's

1915
01:09:00,568 --> 01:09:02,103
really easy to sell things. And

1916
01:09:02,103 --> 01:09:03,638
we don't have the facts. We

1917
01:09:03,638 --> 01:09:04,706
don't have the major fact,

1918
01:09:04,706 --> 01:09:07,740
which is the cost differential

1919
01:09:07,740 --> 01:09:07,642
between the two things. At the

1920
01:09:07,642 --> 01:09:09,377
end of the project, will we

1921
01:09:09,377 --> 01:09:11,513
have estimates? That's the

1922
01:09:11,513 --> 01:09:12,380
point. Yes. We will have a cost

1923
01:09:12,380 --> 01:09:13,348
estimate. Well, once we have a

1924
01:09:13,348 --> 01:09:15,250
cost estimate we can decide

1925
01:09:15,250 --> 01:09:16,651
where to go. That's what I'm

1926
01:09:16,651 --> 01:09:18,419
saying. Pay for the cost

1927
01:09:18,419 --> 01:09:19,587
estimate. So how you want to

1928
01:09:19,587 --> 01:09:21,223
get there. Well you don't want

1929
01:09:21,223 --> 01:09:22,457
to get because you have enough

1930
01:09:22,457 --> 01:09:24,192
information now to do both. You

1931
01:09:24,192 --> 01:09:26,227
don't need any more okay. Not a

1932
01:09:26,227 --> 01:09:28,229
line by line, a ballpark

1933
01:09:28,229 --> 01:09:29,798
estimate. Okay. You might be

1934
01:09:29,798 --> 01:09:31,399
off by 20 or $30 million, but

1935
01:09:31,399 --> 01:09:32,300
that doesn't matter in the

1936
01:09:32,300 --> 01:09:34,302
scheme of things. The scheme of

1937
01:09:34,302 --> 01:09:36,371
things is if we if this thing

1938
01:09:36,371 --> 01:09:38,139
can work, I'm 100% for it. But

1939
01:09:38,139 --> 01:09:39,707
we got to know what the numbers

1940
01:09:39,707 --> 01:09:41,242
are, how many millions or

1941
01:09:41,242 --> 01:09:42,844
hundreds of millions of dollars

1942
01:09:42,844 --> 01:09:44,120
difference is going to be, and

1943
01:09:44,120 --> 01:09:45,713
then how are you going to

1944
01:09:45,713 --> 01:09:46,481
finance it for 30 years and

1945
01:09:46,481 --> 01:09:48,282
then move forward? So I'm

1946
01:09:48,282 --> 01:09:50,485
proposing, since I know if I

1947
01:09:50,485 --> 01:09:52,587
don't propose this, you're

1948
01:09:52,587 --> 01:09:53,588
going to give the 950 to give

1949
01:09:53,588 --> 01:09:55,323
an amount of money to go ahead

1950
01:09:55,323 --> 01:09:58,627
and get a ballpark estimate for

1951
01:09:58,627 --> 01:09:59,928
the county, the bumps and lumps

1952
01:09:59,928 --> 01:10:02,328
system and this beautiful,

1953
01:10:03,898 --> 01:10:04,699
fantastic system. So if you

1954
01:10:04,699 --> 01:10:06,434
allow me and respectfully, I'll

1955
01:10:06,434 --> 01:10:09,136
tell you anything you want.

1956
01:10:09,136 --> 01:10:11,472
Thank you. I see your point.

1957
01:10:11,472 --> 01:10:13,741
And I will tell you, as someone

1958
01:10:13,741 --> 01:10:15,377
who's been doing this for a

1959
01:10:15,377 --> 01:10:17,579
while, the problem with your

1960
01:10:17,579 --> 01:10:20,248
approach is that that has not

1961
01:10:20,248 --> 01:10:22,517
given us results in the past.

1962
01:10:22,517 --> 01:10:24,619
The underline is a perfect

1963
01:10:24,619 --> 01:10:27,355
example of how a planning

1964
01:10:27,355 --> 01:10:28,589
project that included outreach

1965
01:10:28,589 --> 01:10:30,525
because it included outreach,

1966
01:10:30,525 --> 01:10:32,260
community buy in and built with

1967
01:10:32,260 --> 01:10:34,796
the community wanted. That is

1968
01:10:34,796 --> 01:10:36,531
what moved the needle with the

1969
01:10:36,531 --> 01:10:38,399
state and with the county. The

1970
01:10:38,399 --> 01:10:40,502
underline is the first project

1971
01:10:40,502 --> 01:10:42,136
to be done on time and on

1972
01:10:42,136 --> 01:10:44,772
budget at the county for over

1973
01:10:44,772 --> 01:10:46,708
35 years, and it was done this

1974
01:10:46,708 --> 01:10:49,110
way, and it's had a tremendous

1975
01:10:49,110 --> 01:10:51,212
impact and success. We could

1976
01:10:51,212 --> 01:10:53,347
sit with some planners and come

1977
01:10:53,347 --> 01:10:55,550
up with a sketch and give you a

1978
01:10:55,550 --> 01:10:57,285
number, but if it doesn't have

1979
01:10:57,285 --> 01:10:59,154
community buy in, if it's not

1980
01:10:59,154 --> 01:11:01,256
building what people want, if

1981
01:11:01,256 --> 01:11:02,390
it can't tell the stakeholders

1982
01:11:02,390 --> 01:11:05,527
that this is what their voters

1983
01:11:05,527 --> 01:11:06,461
want to see, then I can't get

1984
01:11:06,461 --> 01:11:08,196
the money at the state level

1985
01:11:08,196 --> 01:11:10,231
and at the county level and at

1986
01:11:10,231 --> 01:11:12,767
the federal level. And if it

1987
01:11:12,767 --> 01:11:14,136
isn't layered in a way that

1988
01:11:14,136 --> 01:11:17,136
allows us to take different

1989
01:11:17,672 --> 01:11:20,442
buckets of funding, then I only

1990
01:11:20,442 --> 01:11:22,844
have one ask to one entity, you

1991
01:11:22,844 --> 01:11:25,790
know, and the underlying we

1992
01:11:25,790 --> 01:11:26,114
have bioswales, you know, we

1993
01:11:26,114 --> 01:11:28,449
have stormwater, we have

1994
01:11:28,449 --> 01:11:31,553
transit, we have trail, we have

1995
01:11:31,553 --> 01:11:34,422
park. This is a very similar

1996
01:11:34,422 --> 01:11:36,758
and and more complex plan. And

1997
01:11:36,758 --> 01:11:39,127
that's why it has a

1998
01:11:39,127 --> 01:11:41,127
multi-layered approach that

1999
01:11:41,262 --> 01:11:42,564
requires a level of

2000
01:11:42,564 --> 01:11:44,599
sophistication in the planning

2001
01:11:44,599 --> 01:11:46,501
for us to take it to the next

2002
01:11:46,501 --> 01:11:48,236
step. Now, I you have my word

2003
01:11:48,236 --> 01:11:50,138
that I am working on all the

2004
01:11:50,138 --> 01:11:52,373
financing vehicles available to

2005
01:11:52,373 --> 01:11:54,176
the county in order to make

2006
01:11:54,176 --> 01:11:56,745
this happen. I'm buying down

2007
01:11:56,745 --> 01:11:59,280
the debt, you know, so that we

2008
01:11:59,280 --> 01:12:01,549
can bond and and we're putting

2009
01:12:01,549 --> 01:12:03,184
a pin on the bear cut. Because

2010
01:12:03,184 --> 01:12:06,540
what I don't want is for the

2011
01:12:06,540 --> 01:12:07,455
county to move forward. Not

2012
01:12:07,455 --> 01:12:10,455
with the Rickenbacker fix, but

2013
01:12:10,625 --> 01:12:12,226
with the bear cut and shut the

2014
01:12:12,226 --> 01:12:13,294
Rickenbacker down right for

2015
01:12:13,294 --> 01:12:14,596
four years, which is

2016
01:12:14,596 --> 01:12:16,970
essentially what could happen.

2017
01:12:16,970 --> 01:12:17,733
What happened to us before with

2018
01:12:17,733 --> 01:12:19,400
the William Powell. So there is

2019
01:12:19,400 --> 01:12:21,636
an economic impact there for

2020
01:12:21,636 --> 01:12:23,305
Key Biscayne. There was in the

2021
01:12:23,305 --> 01:12:25,730
past, and there will be if we

2022
01:12:25,730 --> 01:12:27,275
continue to follow the county's

2023
01:12:27,275 --> 01:12:28,510
path. I am not a conventional

2024
01:12:28,510 --> 01:12:30,245
commissioner. I do not do

2025
01:12:30,245 --> 01:12:33,245
things conventionally. I do not

2026
01:12:33,381 --> 01:12:35,216
do it the county way. But I

2027
01:12:35,216 --> 01:12:37,419
have a track record of success,

2028
01:12:37,419 --> 01:12:40,355
you know, and when I stood

2029
01:12:40,355 --> 01:12:42,523
before you in 2010, when Frank

2030
01:12:42,523 --> 01:12:44,225
was here and I said we would do

2031
01:12:44,225 --> 01:12:46,361
Master Academy, you know, it

2032
01:12:46,361 --> 01:12:48,296
was a very difficult sell and

2033
01:12:48,296 --> 01:12:50,398
we did it. And there it is. So

2034
01:12:50,398 --> 01:12:52,767
I stand here with my track

2035
01:12:52,767 --> 01:12:53,535
record and you have my word not

2036
01:12:53,535 --> 01:12:55,503
because I'm a good salesperson,

2037
01:12:55,503 --> 01:12:57,305
but because I'm someone that

2038
01:12:57,305 --> 01:12:59,741
maybe, but because I keep my

2039
01:12:59,741 --> 01:13:00,709
word. I've put the time in on

2040
01:13:00,709 --> 01:13:02,310
this. And the county also

2041
01:13:02,310 --> 01:13:03,545
believes that I have the

2042
01:13:03,545 --> 01:13:05,246
ability to move this forward.

2043
01:13:05,246 --> 01:13:07,282
And I think the team that we

2044
01:13:07,282 --> 01:13:08,649
put together is a stellar one.

2045
01:13:08,649 --> 01:13:10,151
And you have accountability

2046
01:13:10,151 --> 01:13:11,386
every month. You can call us in

2047
01:13:11,386 --> 01:13:13,722
here whenever you want to call

2048
01:13:13,722 --> 01:13:15,290
us in here on this mou and ask

2049
01:13:15,290 --> 01:13:17,459
us to provide details on

2050
01:13:17,459 --> 01:13:18,726
exactly what we're doing with

2051
01:13:18,726 --> 01:13:20,428
this funding. And I'm happy to

2052
01:13:20,428 --> 01:13:21,396
provide you with that

2053
01:13:21,396 --> 01:13:23,765
accountability. It is actually

2054
01:13:23,765 --> 01:13:25,333
baked into the plan. I have a

2055
01:13:25,333 --> 01:13:27,135
quick question with you. I'm

2056
01:13:27,135 --> 01:13:28,836
asking you to do it any way

2057
01:13:28,836 --> 01:13:29,437
different. Okay. Just you know,

2058
01:13:29,437 --> 01:13:31,439
your business. You know how to

2059
01:13:31,439 --> 01:13:32,807
do things, you know how to get

2060
01:13:32,807 --> 01:13:34,442
things done. That's why you're

2061
01:13:34,442 --> 01:13:36,177
going to be a great mayor. And

2062
01:13:36,177 --> 01:13:37,979
I'm 100% behind you. But I

2063
01:13:37,979 --> 01:13:38,579
still think before we go

2064
01:13:38,579 --> 01:13:40,215
forward, you can still do all

2065
01:13:40,215 --> 01:13:41,383
those things. But when you have

2066
01:13:41,383 --> 01:13:43,351
the number, what the ballpark

2067
01:13:43,351 --> 01:13:45,286
is to do the two things, and

2068
01:13:45,286 --> 01:13:46,354
now you do it and you tell all

2069
01:13:46,354 --> 01:13:48,723
these people that it's a viable

2070
01:13:48,723 --> 01:13:49,790
thing, it's financially viable.

2071
01:13:49,790 --> 01:13:50,992
It makes your sale that much

2072
01:13:50,992 --> 01:13:51,692
easier. That's all. That's

2073
01:13:51,692 --> 01:13:53,494
where I'm coming from. MR.

2074
01:13:53,494 --> 01:13:54,729
Mayor, I have a quick question.

2075
01:13:54,729 --> 01:13:56,264
I don't know if that was

2076
01:13:56,264 --> 01:13:57,699
brought up or not. Briefly. How

2077
01:13:57,699 --> 01:13:59,634
are we doing with the P.D.A?

2078
01:13:59,634 --> 01:14:01,503
The P.D.A start already. So it

2079
01:14:01,503 --> 01:14:02,670
started. We had like the first

2080
01:14:02,670 --> 01:14:04,272
meeting, but that's all that's

2081
01:14:04,272 --> 01:14:07,272
happened. Like, right. But I

2082
01:14:07,408 --> 01:14:10,344
mean, is it fair, is it fair to

2083
01:14:10,344 --> 01:14:11,445
state that this possible

2084
01:14:11,445 --> 01:14:13,281
alternative that you're

2085
01:14:13,281 --> 01:14:15,450
evaluating would have to be

2086
01:14:15,450 --> 01:14:17,252
part of that? P.D.A. Yes.

2087
01:14:17,252 --> 01:14:19,320
That's why the rush to get it

2088
01:14:19,320 --> 01:14:21,720
done. Right. Exactly. So

2089
01:14:21,823 --> 01:14:22,690
sometimes we we, we fault

2090
01:14:22,690 --> 01:14:24,359
ourselves for trying to divine

2091
01:14:24,359 --> 01:14:25,961
projects and trying to get

2092
01:14:25,961 --> 01:14:28,296
ahead of the curve. And that's

2093
01:14:28,296 --> 01:14:30,598
what you just heard right now.

2094
01:14:30,598 --> 01:14:31,332
And but, but, but the fact is

2095
01:14:31,332 --> 01:14:32,467
that there's a logistical

2096
01:14:32,467 --> 01:14:34,769
component. I'd like to remind

2097
01:14:34,769 --> 01:14:35,403
the council and the public, too,

2098
01:14:35,403 --> 01:14:37,271
that there's a logistical

2099
01:14:37,271 --> 01:14:38,473
component that we have to

2100
01:14:38,473 --> 01:14:40,408
understand what this shoreline,

2101
01:14:40,408 --> 01:14:42,510
this viaduct is going to look

2102
01:14:42,510 --> 01:14:43,611
like in order not to stall the

2103
01:14:43,611 --> 01:14:45,446
federal funding, the possible

2104
01:14:45,446 --> 01:14:47,381
federal funding that would be

2105
01:14:47,381 --> 01:14:49,151
tied to Bear Cut Bridge. So

2106
01:14:49,151 --> 01:14:51,419
you're being sold one side of

2107
01:14:51,419 --> 01:14:52,587
the story and you're not really

2108
01:14:52,587 --> 01:14:54,322
being told the real logistical

2109
01:14:54,322 --> 01:14:56,724
component and the troubled by

2110
01:14:56,724 --> 01:14:58,293
us not currently investing what

2111
01:14:58,293 --> 01:15:00,729
we need to invest. I see this

2112
01:15:00,729 --> 01:15:03,231
more as an imperative to get it

2113
01:15:03,231 --> 01:15:05,400
done rather than a, you know,

2114
01:15:05,400 --> 01:15:07,335
we're coughing up 950,000.

2115
01:15:07,335 --> 01:15:08,503
We're losing money. We're not

2116
01:15:08,503 --> 01:15:10,638
losing money, folks. We're

2117
01:15:10,638 --> 01:15:12,340
actually, you know, trying to

2118
01:15:12,340 --> 01:15:13,507
trying to make sure that we

2119
01:15:13,507 --> 01:15:15,244
don't lose money in the future

2120
01:15:15,244 --> 01:15:16,411
and that we have a real good

2121
01:15:16,411 --> 01:15:18,613
bridge, bear cut bridge, and a

2122
01:15:18,613 --> 01:15:20,615
design, a complete design that

2123
01:15:20,615 --> 01:15:21,782
ties in to the Rickenbacker. So

2124
01:15:21,782 --> 01:15:23,885
thank you, mayor, Commissioner,

2125
01:15:23,885 --> 01:15:26,287
for all. Thank you, thank you.

2126
01:15:26,287 --> 01:15:27,889
Okay, Joe, one last question.

2127
01:15:27,889 --> 01:15:29,324
One last question, I apologize.

2128
01:15:29,324 --> 01:15:31,559
Can you explain how you're

2129
01:15:31,559 --> 01:15:33,161
going to work on this project

2130
01:15:33,161 --> 01:15:34,795
and run for mayor at the same

2131
01:15:34,795 --> 01:15:36,264
time? Because just I just I

2132
01:15:36,264 --> 01:15:37,565
mean, I just logistically I

2133
01:15:37,565 --> 01:15:38,433
don't, you know, I'm not I'm

2134
01:15:38,433 --> 01:15:40,201
not a politician. I don't

2135
01:15:40,201 --> 01:15:42,137
really understand how all this

2136
01:15:42,137 --> 01:15:43,338
works, but and I and by the way,

2137
01:15:43,338 --> 01:15:44,473
I'm really well, I'm really

2138
01:15:44,473 --> 01:15:46,675
surprised I run for mayor

2139
01:15:46,675 --> 01:15:49,444
before. So I have some

2140
01:15:49,444 --> 01:15:51,312
experience. 2016. But yes, I

2141
01:15:51,312 --> 01:15:52,447
mean, look, we have a great

2142
01:15:52,447 --> 01:15:54,449
team. We're going to we're

2143
01:15:54,449 --> 01:15:55,583
going to move quickly on this

2144
01:15:55,583 --> 01:15:57,852
the mayor's races in 2028. So

2145
01:15:57,852 --> 01:15:59,954
there's there's plenty of time

2146
01:15:59,954 --> 01:16:01,256
but no worries. And will be

2147
01:16:01,256 --> 01:16:03,425
your campaign manager and will

2148
01:16:03,425 --> 01:16:05,794
have the first sign any time.

2149
01:16:05,794 --> 01:16:09,394
Be a pleasure. All right, MADAM

2150
01:16:09,430 --> 01:16:12,233
Clerk. All those in favor? Aye.

2151
01:16:12,233 --> 01:16:14,168
Opposed? Aye. Motion carries.

2152
01:16:14,168 --> 01:16:17,768
Thank you. Thank you very much.

2153
01:16:18,539 --> 01:16:22,739
All right. Thank you. Go to the

2154
01:16:23,100 --> 01:16:26,147
consent agenda. You go to nine

2155
01:16:26,147 --> 01:16:27,582
a. Oh, we didn't do the consent

2156
01:16:27,582 --> 01:16:30,418
agenda, MR. Mayor. What do you

2157
01:16:30,418 --> 01:16:32,354
mean we didn't we? If we

2158
01:16:32,354 --> 01:16:34,556
accepted the the agenda, it's

2159
01:16:34,556 --> 01:16:36,725
done. No, no. The consent

2160
01:16:36,725 --> 01:16:38,359
agenda. Consent. Yeah. We

2161
01:16:38,359 --> 01:16:40,929
haven't done the consent agenda

2162
01:16:40,929 --> 01:16:44,529
yet. Okay. Does anyone want to

2163
01:16:47,902 --> 01:16:51,502
pull the. Hold on? Oh. Thank

2164
01:16:52,273 --> 01:16:53,508
you, MR. London pnc. Oh, you

2165
01:16:53,508 --> 01:16:55,777
want to pull items from the

2166
01:16:55,777 --> 01:16:58,177
consent agenda? I have

2167
01:16:58,179 --> 01:17:01,179
questions, okay. Which one said

2168
01:17:01,616 --> 01:17:05,216
b and c? What number? That's

2169
01:17:06,955 --> 01:17:11,155
eight b and 88b and c. Consent

2170
01:17:12,760 --> 01:17:15,530
agenda. Okay. Say it again,

2171
01:17:15,530 --> 01:17:19,130
MADAM Clerk. She's pulling a, b

2172
01:17:19,401 --> 01:17:21,469
and c I need a councilmember.

2173
01:17:21,469 --> 01:17:23,404
London wanted to pull items

2174
01:17:23,404 --> 01:17:25,473
eight b and eight c from the

2175
01:17:25,473 --> 01:17:27,873
consent agenda. That's okay,

2176
01:17:28,743 --> 01:17:29,410
that's fine. Do I have a motion

2177
01:17:29,410 --> 01:17:32,410
for the consent agenda as

2178
01:17:32,580 --> 01:17:34,482
amended? So moved second. Thank

2179
01:17:34,482 --> 01:17:37,885
you. All those in favor? Aye.

2180
01:17:37,885 --> 01:17:40,885
Opposed. Motion carries. I will

2181
01:17:41,255 --> 01:17:42,790
read 8ba capital project

2182
01:17:42,790 --> 01:17:44,158
authorizing resolution of the

2183
01:17:44,158 --> 01:17:45,292
village council of the Village

2184
01:17:45,292 --> 01:17:47,328
of Key Biscayne, Florida,

2185
01:17:47,328 --> 01:17:49,597
authorizing the village manager

2186
01:17:49,597 --> 01:17:50,298
to issue a work order to Con

2187
01:17:50,298 --> 01:17:52,533
Mac Inc for replacement of

2188
01:17:52,533 --> 01:17:54,933
community center hvac systems

2189
01:17:57,710 --> 01:17:59,274
in an amount not to exceed

2190
01:17:59,274 --> 01:18:01,674
$237,900, and providing for an

2191
01:18:04,512 --> 01:18:07,381
effective date. Move it. Second.

2192
01:18:07,381 --> 01:18:09,518
Thank you. Joe, a question you

2193
01:18:09,518 --> 01:18:11,552
pull it, you go with it. There

2194
01:18:11,552 --> 01:18:13,321
have been a bid on this or did

2195
01:18:13,321 --> 01:18:14,455
we just give these people the

2196
01:18:14,455 --> 01:18:17,250
contract without a bid? There

2197
01:18:17,250 --> 01:18:18,493
was a bid. They were the low

2198
01:18:18,493 --> 01:18:20,662
bidder. Yes. They were okay.

2199
01:18:20,662 --> 01:18:22,430
Thank you, thank you. That was

2200
01:18:22,430 --> 01:18:24,165
it. I wanted to see at the same

2201
01:18:24,165 --> 01:18:25,700
time that same question. No.

2202
01:18:25,700 --> 01:18:28,870
All those in favor of eight,

2203
01:18:28,870 --> 01:18:31,270
please, I opposed motion

2204
01:18:31,773 --> 01:18:32,574
carries. The next item is a

2205
01:18:32,574 --> 01:18:33,641
capital project authorizing

2206
01:18:33,641 --> 01:18:35,277
resolution of the village

2207
01:18:35,277 --> 01:18:36,544
council of the Village of Key

2208
01:18:36,544 --> 01:18:37,645
Biscayne, Florida, approving

2209
01:18:37,645 --> 01:18:39,113
the purchase of replacement

2210
01:18:39,113 --> 01:18:41,283
fitness equipment for the

2211
01:18:41,283 --> 01:18:43,118
community center from Centurion

2212
01:18:43,118 --> 01:18:45,518
Partners Health and Fitness,

2213
01:18:46,421 --> 01:18:50,210
llc, dba Fitness Smith, in an

2214
01:18:51,590 --> 01:18:53,459
amount not to exceed

2215
01:18:53,561 --> 01:18:54,610
$152,037.24, providing for

2216
01:18:54,610 --> 01:18:55,830
authorization, declaring

2217
01:18:55,830 --> 01:18:57,131
certain equipment as surplus

2218
01:18:57,131 --> 01:18:58,800
property. Authorizing the sale

2219
01:18:58,800 --> 01:19:00,368
or disposition of surplus

2220
01:19:00,368 --> 01:19:01,269
property. Providing for

2221
01:19:01,269 --> 01:19:03,269
implementation and providing

2222
01:19:05,106 --> 01:19:08,106
for an effective date move.

2223
01:19:09,344 --> 01:19:11,613
Good evening and thank you.

2224
01:19:11,613 --> 01:19:14,613
Yeah. Questions, Scott I mean

2225
01:19:15,950 --> 01:19:17,652
Scott, Todd. Fred. Todd. You

2226
01:19:17,652 --> 01:19:19,421
said one of the reasons you do

2227
01:19:19,421 --> 01:19:20,956
this, because the maintenance

2228
01:19:20,956 --> 01:19:22,223
costs are getting out of line

2229
01:19:22,223 --> 01:19:24,225
for these things. Yeah, that's

2230
01:19:24,225 --> 01:19:25,360
the thing you have here. The

2231
01:19:25,360 --> 01:19:27,228
maintenance costs do increase

2232
01:19:27,228 --> 01:19:28,563
over time. Okay. Well, I went

2233
01:19:28,563 --> 01:19:30,498
ahead and checked the

2234
01:19:30,498 --> 01:19:32,801
maintenance costs for 24 and 25

2235
01:19:32,801 --> 01:19:35,201
and 24. There were 61, 64. That

2236
01:19:38,473 --> 01:19:40,174
went down by 10% in 25 to 5591.

2237
01:19:40,174 --> 01:19:43,440
And in neither case is it more

2238
01:19:43,440 --> 01:19:44,578
than 4% of the purchase price

2239
01:19:44,578 --> 01:19:46,381
of new equipment. And why? I'm

2240
01:19:46,381 --> 01:19:49,381
wondering. I mean, how do

2241
01:19:49,784 --> 01:19:51,620
dumbbells get old? I go to the

2242
01:19:51,620 --> 01:19:53,321
gym all the time. I can't lift

2243
01:19:53,321 --> 01:19:56,570
them all, but the ones I can

2244
01:19:56,570 --> 01:19:56,658
lift look just fine. The racks,

2245
01:19:56,658 --> 01:19:58,392
the non-mechanical equipment.

2246
01:19:58,392 --> 01:20:00,695
How does all that stuff get bad?

2247
01:20:00,695 --> 01:20:02,697
And second of all, why the hell

2248
01:20:02,697 --> 01:20:04,499
are we going to give them all

2249
01:20:04,499 --> 01:20:06,233
that equipment for 8500 bucks?

2250
01:20:06,233 --> 01:20:07,401
I mean, I'm sure people in the

2251
01:20:07,401 --> 01:20:09,537
village would buy the damn

2252
01:20:09,537 --> 01:20:11,472
thing or whatever else, but to

2253
01:20:11,472 --> 01:20:13,407
me, I'm. And one piece of

2254
01:20:13,407 --> 01:20:14,175
equipment, your free motion,

2255
01:20:14,175 --> 01:20:16,311
whatever the hell that is,

2256
01:20:16,311 --> 01:20:18,446
that's basically 20% of your

2257
01:20:18,446 --> 01:20:19,380
maintenance cost of your total,

2258
01:20:19,380 --> 01:20:21,449
of all your pieces of equipment.

2259
01:20:21,449 --> 01:20:23,385
That one piece is 20% of your

2260
01:20:23,385 --> 01:20:25,453
maintenance cost two years

2261
01:20:25,453 --> 01:20:28,123
running. So to me, do you

2262
01:20:28,123 --> 01:20:29,324
really need this thing or you

2263
01:20:29,324 --> 01:20:31,292
just want new stuff? I'll give

2264
01:20:31,292 --> 01:20:32,594
you a couple of options. So the

2265
01:20:32,594 --> 01:20:35,363
average lifespan for an average

2266
01:20:35,363 --> 01:20:37,298
lifespan I use the equipment.

2267
01:20:37,298 --> 01:20:38,466
It works fine. So not average

2268
01:20:38,466 --> 01:20:40,802
lifespan. You're paying for

2269
01:20:40,802 --> 01:20:41,703
preventive maintenance $190 a

2270
01:20:41,703 --> 01:20:43,337
month. You're servicing it and

2271
01:20:43,337 --> 01:20:45,206
I can see what's going bad. A

2272
01:20:45,206 --> 01:20:46,474
lot of the stuff that has very

2273
01:20:46,474 --> 01:20:48,676
few mechanical parts are not

2274
01:20:48,676 --> 01:20:51,676
even doing anything. Steel does

2275
01:20:51,879 --> 01:20:53,615
not usually wear out ten, 15,

2276
01:20:53,615 --> 01:20:55,249
or 50 years. I mean, you if you

2277
01:20:55,249 --> 01:20:57,685
were there, you saw the lat

2278
01:20:57,685 --> 01:20:59,120
pulldown. I can't hear you. The

2279
01:20:59,120 --> 01:21:01,520
lat pulldown actually snapped.

2280
01:21:01,856 --> 01:21:02,423
Yeah. And that was wrapped in

2281
01:21:02,423 --> 01:21:05,423
because the system just gave

2282
01:21:08,530 --> 01:21:11,320
out over time. So this is do we

2283
01:21:11,320 --> 01:21:12,433
need all this new equipment? Do

2284
01:21:12,433 --> 01:21:14,236
we need some new equipment. Do

2285
01:21:14,236 --> 01:21:16,671
we need new dumbbell racks?

2286
01:21:16,671 --> 01:21:18,206
They're pretty beaten up. I

2287
01:21:18,206 --> 01:21:20,441
actually looked at him today.

2288
01:21:20,441 --> 01:21:21,509
If you look at him, all the I

2289
01:21:21,509 --> 01:21:23,711
wasn't there, but I was there

2290
01:21:23,711 --> 01:21:25,814
two days ago. All the labeling

2291
01:21:25,814 --> 01:21:27,181
is gone. All the labels, all

2292
01:21:27,181 --> 01:21:29,451
the labels. They're beginning

2293
01:21:29,451 --> 01:21:32,387
to rust. You need new labels,

2294
01:21:32,387 --> 01:21:35,387
okay? They're beginning to rust.

2295
01:21:35,490 --> 01:21:36,958
They are all the. All the bolts

2296
01:21:36,958 --> 01:21:38,292
is beginning. Okay. I walk

2297
01:21:38,292 --> 01:21:39,727
through it today. You can see

2298
01:21:39,727 --> 01:21:41,329
all the bolts are beginning to

2299
01:21:41,329 --> 01:21:42,964
rust. I mean, what we're

2300
01:21:42,964 --> 01:21:45,299
talking about is hundred and

2301
01:21:45,299 --> 01:21:46,500
$50,000. Yes. Yeah. I mean, if

2302
01:21:46,500 --> 01:21:47,536
you want some new equipment

2303
01:21:47,536 --> 01:21:49,170
because it's better or whatever

2304
01:21:49,170 --> 01:21:51,739
else to replace them, I got no

2305
01:21:51,739 --> 01:21:53,410
problem with that. But to go

2306
01:21:53,410 --> 01:21:54,275
ahead and replace everything,

2307
01:21:54,275 --> 01:21:56,778
I'll say. Fine. It's old. Get

2308
01:21:56,778 --> 01:21:58,279
rid of it all if it's fine. I

2309
01:21:58,279 --> 01:21:59,513
mean, I guess maybe I have this

2310
01:21:59,513 --> 01:22:01,583
feeling because I don't want

2311
01:22:01,583 --> 01:22:03,151
people to get rid of me because

2312
01:22:03,151 --> 01:22:04,485
I'm old. Okay? So, I mean, just

2313
01:22:04,485 --> 01:22:06,421
because I'm past my useful life.

2314
01:22:06,421 --> 01:22:07,289
I think you're looking at part

2315
01:22:07,289 --> 01:22:08,623
of this project, not the whole

2316
01:22:08,623 --> 01:22:10,124
project. The whole project is

2317
01:22:10,124 --> 01:22:11,393
to replace the flooring, to

2318
01:22:11,393 --> 01:22:13,328
paint the walls. I read the

2319
01:22:13,328 --> 01:22:15,663
whole believe me. Yeah. So this

2320
01:22:15,663 --> 01:22:16,164
is the whole thing. This is a

2321
01:22:16,164 --> 01:22:18,564
whole, you know, re

2322
01:22:19,400 --> 01:22:21,602
rehabilitation of that. The

2323
01:22:21,602 --> 01:22:22,870
fitness center, which is one of

2324
01:22:22,870 --> 01:22:24,639
the main drivers of our

2325
01:22:24,639 --> 01:22:26,174
membership revenue. I probably

2326
01:22:26,174 --> 01:22:28,443
use it more than anybody here

2327
01:22:28,443 --> 01:22:30,311
in council. So I love the

2328
01:22:30,311 --> 01:22:32,314
fitness center. I love the idea

2329
01:22:32,314 --> 01:22:33,281
that having good equipment, I

2330
01:22:33,281 --> 01:22:35,250
just hate the idea of wasting

2331
01:22:35,250 --> 01:22:36,718
money. I don't think you're

2332
01:22:36,718 --> 01:22:37,351
wasting money. I think when you

2333
01:22:37,351 --> 01:22:39,320
increased the membership fees

2334
01:22:39,320 --> 01:22:41,489
that passed in council in JULY

2335
01:22:41,489 --> 01:22:43,240
and was implemented in OCTOBER,

2336
01:22:43,240 --> 01:22:44,326
I think it's a reasonable

2337
01:22:44,326 --> 01:22:46,928
assumption for the members that

2338
01:22:46,928 --> 01:22:47,461
are now paying more to see

2339
01:22:47,461 --> 01:22:48,363
improvements in one of the

2340
01:22:48,363 --> 01:22:50,598
facilities that is primarily

2341
01:22:50,598 --> 01:22:51,499
used by our members, and that's

2342
01:22:51,499 --> 01:22:54,499
the the Fitness and Wellness

2343
01:22:55,136 --> 01:22:56,771
Center. You can sell your $220

2344
01:22:56,771 --> 01:22:59,541
fee went over with the older

2345
01:22:59,541 --> 01:23:00,708
people they're paying to. Not

2346
01:23:00,708 --> 01:23:02,677
only did we increase the fees,

2347
01:23:02,677 --> 01:23:04,345
we expanded those that paid to

2348
01:23:04,345 --> 01:23:05,247
it, and I think they envisioned

2349
01:23:05,247 --> 01:23:06,447
that they should see some

2350
01:23:06,447 --> 01:23:07,382
benefit from that in the

2351
01:23:07,382 --> 01:23:09,483
facility that they use

2352
01:23:09,483 --> 01:23:11,219
frequently. As it stands now,

2353
01:23:11,219 --> 01:23:12,721
I'm against if you bring back

2354
01:23:12,721 --> 01:23:15,890
something as reasonable that

2355
01:23:15,890 --> 01:23:17,259
has to be replaced, I'll be all

2356
01:23:17,259 --> 01:23:19,293
for it. Over here. Anybody? I

2357
01:23:19,293 --> 01:23:21,496
have a comment. Go ahead. When

2358
01:23:21,496 --> 01:23:23,164
it's my turn. I can't find it

2359
01:23:23,164 --> 01:23:25,330
right now. I know you know

2360
01:23:25,330 --> 01:23:26,968
where it is. I read somewhere

2361
01:23:26,968 --> 01:23:29,368
here that the Centurion

2362
01:23:33,174 --> 01:23:35,174
Partners agreement includes

2363
01:23:35,643 --> 01:23:37,643
$2,328.15 for tariff. Yes,

2364
01:23:38,947 --> 01:23:42,547
ma'am. You're going to be so

2365
01:23:42,584 --> 01:23:44,652
proud of me. I would like the

2366
01:23:44,652 --> 01:23:47,321
contract somehow to be amended

2367
01:23:47,321 --> 01:23:50,492
so that if the government is

2368
01:23:50,492 --> 01:23:52,360
ultimately required to refund

2369
01:23:52,360 --> 01:23:54,428
those tariffs, that when that

2370
01:23:54,428 --> 01:23:56,163
vendor gets that tariff refund,

2371
01:23:56,163 --> 01:23:57,498
that they have to give it back

2372
01:23:57,498 --> 01:23:59,533
to us instead of keeping it,

2373
01:23:59,533 --> 01:24:01,269
because that's that's my new

2374
01:24:01,269 --> 01:24:02,603
pet peeve. All these vendors

2375
01:24:02,603 --> 01:24:04,438
are going to get the money back.

2376
01:24:04,438 --> 01:24:05,841
And and the people who actually

2377
01:24:05,841 --> 01:24:07,909
paid the money aren't going to

2378
01:24:07,909 --> 01:24:10,780
get it. So we should get our

2379
01:24:10,780 --> 01:24:11,512
2300 back. Is there a way to do

2380
01:24:11,512 --> 01:24:13,248
that, Chad? Of course, yes,

2381
01:24:13,248 --> 01:24:14,515
sure. I mean, we'll write it

2382
01:24:14,515 --> 01:24:16,985
back. I don't know if they'll

2383
01:24:16,985 --> 01:24:18,286
agree to it, but we'll write it

2384
01:24:18,286 --> 01:24:19,487
in and bring it up to their

2385
01:24:19,487 --> 01:24:21,422
attention. Just fyi, I think we

2386
01:24:21,422 --> 01:24:22,356
should do that in every

2387
01:24:22,356 --> 01:24:24,292
contract that that we have now

2388
01:24:24,292 --> 01:24:26,930
that we're, we're acquiring

2389
01:24:26,930 --> 01:24:28,493
things that are charging

2390
01:24:28,830 --> 01:24:29,830
tariffs for sure. Good point.

2391
01:24:29,830 --> 01:24:32,230
Very good point. Excellent

2392
01:24:34,903 --> 01:24:37,639
answer okay. I, I was like

2393
01:24:37,639 --> 01:24:39,441
thinking like Ed this morning

2394
01:24:39,441 --> 01:24:43,410
when I reread this thing. And

2395
01:24:43,411 --> 01:24:46,347
so I took the field trip to, to

2396
01:24:46,347 --> 01:24:49,250
the, to the weight room. And

2397
01:24:49,250 --> 01:24:52,453
yeah, there is stuff there that

2398
01:24:52,453 --> 01:24:55,723
is rusted there. There is a

2399
01:24:55,723 --> 01:24:57,892
floor that needs to be done,

2400
01:24:57,892 --> 01:24:59,494
the walls that need to be done

2401
01:24:59,494 --> 01:25:01,595
because, you know, it gets it

2402
01:25:01,595 --> 01:25:03,464
gets a lot of activity. You are

2403
01:25:03,464 --> 01:25:05,667
you are there. I agree with all

2404
01:25:05,667 --> 01:25:07,568
that. Yeah. I'm just saying not

2405
01:25:07,568 --> 01:25:08,436
replacing blank everything.

2406
01:25:08,436 --> 01:25:10,604
Replace what has to be done. Do

2407
01:25:10,604 --> 01:25:12,707
the work, do the floor. Okay.

2408
01:25:12,707 --> 01:25:14,341
So so I'm glad you mentioned

2409
01:25:14,341 --> 01:25:17,311
that. So one of the discussions

2410
01:25:17,311 --> 01:25:18,513
we've had up here is the

2411
01:25:18,513 --> 01:25:20,515
village doesn't do a good

2412
01:25:20,515 --> 01:25:23,515
enough job of maintenance. Okay.

2413
01:25:24,185 --> 01:25:26,387
So now they set a policy. And

2414
01:25:26,387 --> 01:25:28,823
you know maybe you want to redo

2415
01:25:28,823 --> 01:25:30,258
the policy. But the policy says

2416
01:25:30,258 --> 01:25:32,427
ten years. There are ten years.

2417
01:25:32,427 --> 01:25:35,296
They want to replace the

2418
01:25:35,296 --> 01:25:37,565
equipment. I mean, what what do

2419
01:25:37,565 --> 01:25:40,268
you I mean, you know, what do

2420
01:25:40,268 --> 01:25:42,237
you want? I want to be forget

2421
01:25:42,237 --> 01:25:44,672
the policy. What should. No no

2422
01:25:44,672 --> 01:25:45,773
no no no. When I say the policy,

2423
01:25:45,773 --> 01:25:47,275
it doesn't make sense. Because

2424
01:25:47,275 --> 01:25:49,210
if you tell me something wears

2425
01:25:49,210 --> 01:25:50,578
out in ten years. Two more

2426
01:25:50,578 --> 01:25:52,347
years. No, no, three more years.

2427
01:25:52,347 --> 01:25:54,415
Some. No. Some stuff, maybe ten

2428
01:25:54,415 --> 01:25:55,583
years is fine. Other stuff is

2429
01:25:55,583 --> 01:25:57,351
25 years. That's what I'm

2430
01:25:57,351 --> 01:25:58,419
saying to you. The point being

2431
01:25:58,419 --> 01:26:00,388
is whatever needs to be

2432
01:26:00,388 --> 01:26:01,789
replaced. I'm saying replaced.

2433
01:26:01,789 --> 01:26:03,525
The floors have to be done. The

2434
01:26:03,525 --> 01:26:05,126
walls. I'm all for all that

2435
01:26:05,126 --> 01:26:07,362
stuff. But stuff that's

2436
01:26:07,362 --> 01:26:08,663
strictly fine not to do that,

2437
01:26:08,663 --> 01:26:10,332
that's all. And then to go

2438
01:26:10,332 --> 01:26:12,433
ahead with sell everything to

2439
01:26:12,433 --> 01:26:14,502
these people. $8,500. I think

2440
01:26:14,502 --> 01:26:15,971
that's crazy. Also, I'm going

2441
01:26:15,971 --> 01:26:19,207
to disagree with you on one

2442
01:26:19,207 --> 01:26:20,375
point. We want our parks to be

2443
01:26:20,375 --> 01:26:21,409
beautiful. We want our

2444
01:26:21,409 --> 01:26:23,477
community center to be

2445
01:26:23,477 --> 01:26:24,745
beautiful. There's some value,

2446
01:26:24,745 --> 01:26:26,480
some in the quality of

2447
01:26:26,480 --> 01:26:28,349
experience. And after ten years,

2448
01:26:28,349 --> 01:26:31,419
maybe we need bright and shiny

2449
01:26:31,419 --> 01:26:33,488
and new and the cost of and the

2450
01:26:33,488 --> 01:26:35,556
time involved in trying to sell

2451
01:26:35,556 --> 01:26:36,590
off piece by piece and figure

2452
01:26:36,590 --> 01:26:38,293
out what piece we need. What

2453
01:26:38,293 --> 01:26:39,861
piece. It's just not worth it.

2454
01:26:39,861 --> 01:26:40,662
It's just not worth it. I'd

2455
01:26:40,662 --> 01:26:42,397
rather give the money to

2456
01:26:42,397 --> 01:26:44,232
charity than have these guys

2457
01:26:44,232 --> 01:26:45,566
date that you said. We can't do

2458
01:26:45,566 --> 01:26:47,268
that. I said I can. You said I

2459
01:26:47,268 --> 01:26:50,268
can personally do that. All

2460
01:26:54,175 --> 01:26:56,678
right, move along. All right,

2461
01:26:56,678 --> 01:26:59,678
MADAM, call it. Sorry. An

2462
01:26:59,681 --> 01:27:02,284
amendment to the contract for

2463
01:27:02,284 --> 01:27:03,551
the tariff. Yeah, yeah. Okay.

2464
01:27:03,551 --> 01:27:05,753
Consensus of Council for the

2465
01:27:05,753 --> 01:27:07,455
amendment. Amend it to not

2466
01:27:07,455 --> 01:27:09,257
consider selling the property

2467
01:27:09,257 --> 01:27:11,425
stuff to somebody else or

2468
01:27:11,425 --> 01:27:12,260
donating it. Sure, sure. I

2469
01:27:12,260 --> 01:27:15,229
thought you were going to buy

2470
01:27:15,229 --> 01:27:17,198
it and then donate it. Oh, okay.

2471
01:27:17,198 --> 01:27:19,634
So I'm sorry, what was the you

2472
01:27:19,634 --> 01:27:21,469
were going to sell it to Ed for

2473
01:27:21,469 --> 01:27:23,469
$10,000 of this obsolete

2474
01:27:23,871 --> 01:27:25,573
equipment? We've done it before.

2475
01:27:25,573 --> 01:27:28,420
It's the task. And the people

2476
01:27:28,420 --> 01:27:30,411
that do take it call you when

2477
01:27:30,411 --> 01:27:31,379
it breaks and expect you to.

2478
01:27:31,379 --> 01:27:33,514
Hey, I bought this from you

2479
01:27:33,514 --> 01:27:35,183
three months ago. This happened.

2480
01:27:35,183 --> 01:27:38,386
I don't carry a warranty. I

2481
01:27:38,386 --> 01:27:40,786
don't have maintenance staff.

2482
01:27:40,856 --> 01:27:42,657
It it didn't go well last time

2483
01:27:42,657 --> 01:27:44,920
we did this. Okay. So did you

2484
01:27:44,920 --> 01:27:45,627
get those two things? To be

2485
01:27:45,627 --> 01:27:46,494
clear, the resolution gives the

2486
01:27:46,494 --> 01:27:48,229
manager the ability to surplus

2487
01:27:48,229 --> 01:27:49,431
it. It doesn't have to be to

2488
01:27:49,431 --> 01:27:51,465
these people. But then that

2489
01:27:51,465 --> 01:27:52,367
would affect the purchase price.

2490
01:27:52,367 --> 01:27:54,435
So there's the authorities are

2491
01:27:54,435 --> 01:27:57,435
already there. If the direction

2492
01:27:57,672 --> 01:27:58,406
is for the manager to examine

2493
01:27:58,406 --> 01:28:00,542
all options, that's already in

2494
01:28:00,542 --> 01:28:02,811
here. It's just if you can do

2495
01:28:02,811 --> 01:28:04,445
better, let's do better. Of

2496
01:28:04,445 --> 01:28:06,800
course, I'm under the

2497
01:28:06,800 --> 01:28:07,148
impression from our

2498
01:28:07,148 --> 01:28:09,350
conversation that there's a

2499
01:28:09,350 --> 01:28:10,685
nuisance that's alleviated by

2500
01:28:10,685 --> 01:28:12,286
simply having someone come and

2501
01:28:12,286 --> 01:28:14,489
pick it up and take it away.

2502
01:28:14,489 --> 01:28:15,823
Yeah, we do want to keep the

2503
01:28:15,823 --> 01:28:16,757
facility closed for the

2504
01:28:16,757 --> 01:28:19,157
shortest time period possible.

2505
01:28:19,361 --> 01:28:20,528
So that means that we're going

2506
01:28:20,528 --> 01:28:23,528
to have the new equipment

2507
01:28:23,765 --> 01:28:25,533
delivered and the floor

2508
01:28:25,533 --> 01:28:28,369
installed and the old equipment

2509
01:28:28,369 --> 01:28:31,206
removed in a tight sequence.

2510
01:28:31,206 --> 01:28:33,274
Trying to sell one piece here,

2511
01:28:33,274 --> 01:28:34,643
one piece there. We have no

2512
01:28:34,643 --> 01:28:36,944
storage space for this

2513
01:28:36,944 --> 01:28:39,714
equipment while it waits for

2514
01:28:39,714 --> 01:28:42,114
new equipment. About 90 days.

2515
01:28:42,183 --> 01:28:43,585
So there's 90 days to make a

2516
01:28:43,585 --> 01:28:46,487
decision. See what we can do.

2517
01:28:46,487 --> 01:28:49,423
Right. Thank you. Okay, MADAM

2518
01:28:49,423 --> 01:28:51,292
Clerk, as amended here. All

2519
01:28:51,292 --> 01:28:52,727
those in favor of the

2520
01:28:52,727 --> 01:28:55,127
resolution, as amended, opposed

2521
01:28:55,597 --> 01:28:57,632
by motion, carries. When you

2522
01:28:57,632 --> 01:29:00,632
draft the tariff language, will

2523
01:29:03,271 --> 01:29:05,506
you send it around? Sure. So

2524
01:29:05,506 --> 01:29:07,274
just quickly, Nancy, you wanted

2525
01:29:07,274 --> 01:29:08,442
to incorporate that into all of

2526
01:29:08,442 --> 01:29:10,611
our contract? I do I think it's

2527
01:29:10,611 --> 01:29:11,812
a good idea. So is that

2528
01:29:11,812 --> 01:29:14,480
something that that we've got

2529
01:29:14,480 --> 01:29:15,383
consensus to do? Sure.

2530
01:29:15,383 --> 01:29:17,652
Consensus for what? To

2531
01:29:17,652 --> 01:29:20,520
incorporate all tariff. Sure.

2532
01:29:20,655 --> 01:29:22,590
Great idea Nance okay. No

2533
01:29:22,590 --> 01:29:25,590
problem. You were right. He's

2534
01:29:25,593 --> 01:29:27,428
proud I know I know he's going

2535
01:29:27,428 --> 01:29:31,280
to encourage you to run for

2536
01:29:31,366 --> 01:29:33,301
county mayor. Council nine a an

2537
01:29:33,301 --> 01:29:34,402
ordinance of the village, an

2538
01:29:34,402 --> 01:29:36,403
ordinance on second reading, an

2539
01:29:36,403 --> 01:29:37,338
ordinance of the village of Key

2540
01:29:37,338 --> 01:29:39,274
Biscayne, Florida, amending

2541
01:29:39,274 --> 01:29:41,509
section two dash ten advisory

2542
01:29:41,509 --> 01:29:42,843
boards of chapter two of the

2543
01:29:42,843 --> 01:29:44,412
Village Code of Ordinances

2544
01:29:44,412 --> 01:29:46,547
relating to Advisory Board

2545
01:29:46,547 --> 01:29:47,315
administration and board member

2546
01:29:47,315 --> 01:29:49,315
requirements. Providing for

2547
01:29:49,417 --> 01:29:50,151
severability. Providing for

2548
01:29:50,151 --> 01:29:52,151
codification, providing for

2549
01:29:52,353 --> 01:29:54,689
conflicts and providing for an

2550
01:29:54,689 --> 01:29:57,890
effective date move. Second,

2551
01:30:00,394 --> 01:30:03,164
this is. Thank you 9a9a okay,

2552
01:30:03,164 --> 01:30:04,766
I'm happy with are we are we at

2553
01:30:04,766 --> 01:30:06,568
discussion here. Yeah go ahead

2554
01:30:06,568 --> 01:30:08,537
I'm happy with it. I would like

2555
01:30:08,537 --> 01:30:09,270
to make an amendment though. I

2556
01:30:09,270 --> 01:30:11,406
would like to add a

2557
01:30:11,406 --> 01:30:13,274
subparagraph eight that says

2558
01:30:13,274 --> 01:30:16,110
upon its own initiative, a

2559
01:30:16,110 --> 01:30:19,213
board MAY present to council a

2560
01:30:19,213 --> 01:30:21,613
report, resolution, request or

2561
01:30:22,183 --> 01:30:24,583
advisement. Because this talks

2562
01:30:25,386 --> 01:30:27,222
about mandatory. Reports.

2563
01:30:27,222 --> 01:30:28,890
You're talking about something

2564
01:30:28,890 --> 01:30:31,125
additional, right. If they want

2565
01:30:31,125 --> 01:30:33,128
additional. Yes. Yes. Can you

2566
01:30:33,128 --> 01:30:35,563
please what do we mean by a

2567
01:30:35,563 --> 01:30:38,433
board. Any of these advisory

2568
01:30:38,433 --> 01:30:39,767
boards create a board. No no no

2569
01:30:39,767 --> 01:30:41,302
any of the existing boards.

2570
01:30:41,302 --> 01:30:43,437
This talks about this talks

2571
01:30:43,437 --> 01:30:45,837
about the obligation of

2572
01:30:46,241 --> 01:30:47,642
advisory boards to report to us

2573
01:30:47,642 --> 01:30:49,310
that that's what we're that's

2574
01:30:49,310 --> 01:30:51,412
what this is about. And what it

2575
01:30:51,412 --> 01:30:53,514
talks about are the mandatory

2576
01:30:53,514 --> 01:30:54,716
reporting obligations. But it

2577
01:30:54,716 --> 01:30:56,584
doesn't talk about voluntary.

2578
01:30:56,584 --> 01:30:59,320
And I don't want it to be

2579
01:30:59,320 --> 01:31:02,320
interpreted that there there is

2580
01:31:02,790 --> 01:31:05,360
not the ability to come before

2581
01:31:05,360 --> 01:31:07,294
council with requests.

2582
01:31:07,294 --> 01:31:08,496
Suggestions, Advisements I want

2583
01:31:08,496 --> 01:31:10,465
I just would like to clarify

2584
01:31:10,465 --> 01:31:12,400
that by adding in language that

2585
01:31:12,400 --> 01:31:15,437
that any board can come before

2586
01:31:15,437 --> 01:31:17,305
us on their own initiative. I'm

2587
01:31:17,305 --> 01:31:18,807
sorry, Council member, can you

2588
01:31:18,807 --> 01:31:20,208
repeat the amendment? But is

2589
01:31:20,208 --> 01:31:22,608
there something suggesting that

2590
01:31:23,377 --> 01:31:25,346
they can't? Well, you just want

2591
01:31:25,346 --> 01:31:26,547
to make it. I just want to make

2592
01:31:26,547 --> 01:31:28,516
it clear because this says what

2593
01:31:28,516 --> 01:31:30,818
you have to do. Okay. So right.

2594
01:31:30,818 --> 01:31:34,418
Let's think about it a little

2595
01:31:34,789 --> 01:31:37,459
bit. If you is that like by by

2596
01:31:37,459 --> 01:31:38,359
their consensus by or is it

2597
01:31:38,359 --> 01:31:40,462
like anybody can just come up

2598
01:31:40,462 --> 01:31:42,731
and the board the board has to

2599
01:31:42,731 --> 01:31:44,264
act like a board okay. The

2600
01:31:44,264 --> 01:31:46,234
language doesn't authorize

2601
01:31:46,234 --> 01:31:47,402
anyone. Any individual doesn't

2602
01:31:47,402 --> 01:31:49,303
change any of the operations.

2603
01:31:49,303 --> 01:31:51,272
No. That's that's really

2604
01:31:51,272 --> 01:31:52,707
important because, you know,

2605
01:31:52,707 --> 01:31:54,408
absolutely 10,000 people coming

2606
01:31:54,408 --> 01:31:56,444
up that aren't speaking for the

2607
01:31:56,444 --> 01:31:57,312
behalf of the board. Right?

2608
01:31:57,312 --> 01:31:59,414
Right. MR. Mayor, I would

2609
01:31:59,414 --> 01:32:01,814
suggest for procedural process

2610
01:32:02,249 --> 01:32:04,519
purposes that it would be

2611
01:32:04,519 --> 01:32:06,288
brought to the council liaison

2612
01:32:06,288 --> 01:32:07,955
in order to place it on the

2613
01:32:07,955 --> 01:32:08,656
agenda, because we have to make

2614
01:32:08,656 --> 01:32:10,224
sure that's a process.

2615
01:32:10,224 --> 01:32:13,940
Otherwise, they really have no

2616
01:32:13,940 --> 01:32:14,328
way or no one to come to to put

2617
01:32:14,328 --> 01:32:16,464
it on the agenda. They can call

2618
01:32:16,464 --> 01:32:17,565
the clerk, why can't they call

2619
01:32:17,565 --> 01:32:19,267
the clerk? And I do think

2620
01:32:19,267 --> 01:32:21,403
elsewhere in the code, it I

2621
01:32:21,403 --> 01:32:25,300
think actually in the, in the

2622
01:32:25,607 --> 01:32:27,175
code where it describes the,

2623
01:32:27,175 --> 01:32:30,175
the responsibilities of the, of

2624
01:32:30,745 --> 01:32:31,312
the boards, it talks about them

2625
01:32:31,312 --> 01:32:33,414
bringing this forward and I

2626
01:32:33,414 --> 01:32:34,916
don't I don't have a problem

2627
01:32:34,916 --> 01:32:37,316
bringing forward anything by

2628
01:32:37,785 --> 01:32:40,755
liaison. Yeah. I'm not sure

2629
01:32:40,755 --> 01:32:44,325
we've ever done that Chad. Got

2630
01:32:44,325 --> 01:32:47,461
to go through some I believe

2631
01:32:47,461 --> 01:32:49,931
that the board members, through

2632
01:32:49,931 --> 01:32:52,233
their liaison, has requested

2633
01:32:52,233 --> 01:32:54,135
the boards to come to give

2634
01:32:54,135 --> 01:32:55,770
presentations. Yeah, I believe

2635
01:32:55,770 --> 01:32:57,872
that's happened in the past.

2636
01:32:57,872 --> 01:33:00,641
Here's an example. In one of

2637
01:33:00,641 --> 01:33:03,111
the zorks, the purview did not

2638
01:33:03,111 --> 01:33:05,412
include docs. Yes. There was a

2639
01:33:05,412 --> 01:33:07,515
series of issues that were doc

2640
01:33:07,515 --> 01:33:10,151
related. The board came back to

2641
01:33:10,151 --> 01:33:12,200
council and suggested that the

2642
01:33:12,200 --> 01:33:14,589
purview be expanded to deal

2643
01:33:14,589 --> 01:33:16,257
with docs. Yeah, I think that

2644
01:33:16,257 --> 01:33:18,326
the the issue is we've never

2645
01:33:18,326 --> 01:33:19,894
allowed the boards to just pop

2646
01:33:19,894 --> 01:33:20,761
up on the agenda. There's

2647
01:33:20,761 --> 01:33:23,298
always been a request through

2648
01:33:23,298 --> 01:33:26,298
the manager or through liaison.

2649
01:33:26,400 --> 01:33:27,602
I think that if the request can

2650
01:33:27,602 --> 01:33:30,602
come through the liaison. Yeah,

2651
01:33:30,605 --> 01:33:33,307
I think that makes sense. And

2652
01:33:33,307 --> 01:33:35,443
we can we can make that clear

2653
01:33:35,443 --> 01:33:37,311
that the board, through its

2654
01:33:37,311 --> 01:33:38,679
liaison, MAY present, if that's

2655
01:33:38,679 --> 01:33:41,790
something that council Member

2656
01:33:41,415 --> 01:33:42,917
stoner wants. I mean, that's

2657
01:33:42,917 --> 01:33:45,387
not a problem. Is that okay

2658
01:33:45,387 --> 01:33:47,121
with you? My only question

2659
01:33:47,121 --> 01:33:48,757
would be if you have a liaison

2660
01:33:48,757 --> 01:33:51,157
that's not participating that

2661
01:33:52,360 --> 01:33:54,829
much. Or they're not interested

2662
01:33:54,829 --> 01:33:56,531
in the issue, I know this whole

2663
01:33:56,531 --> 01:33:57,364
thing with that. We just went

2664
01:33:57,364 --> 01:33:59,764
through with the disability

2665
01:34:00,268 --> 01:34:02,300
board. They wanted to make a

2666
01:34:02,300 --> 01:34:03,737
presentation, and I do believe

2667
01:34:03,737 --> 01:34:06,737
they they contacted the clerk

2668
01:34:07,750 --> 01:34:07,575
who put it on the agenda. I

2669
01:34:07,575 --> 01:34:10,244
just don't want to make

2670
01:34:10,244 --> 01:34:12,314
obstacles. But personally, I

2671
01:34:12,314 --> 01:34:13,415
don't have a problem ever with

2672
01:34:13,415 --> 01:34:15,149
with bringing forward. We could

2673
01:34:15,149 --> 01:34:18,749
always say the liaison or the

2674
01:34:18,886 --> 01:34:20,889
manager. I mean, either one.

2675
01:34:20,889 --> 01:34:22,456
Okay, or any council member,

2676
01:34:22,456 --> 01:34:23,557
really. I mean, you could do

2677
01:34:23,557 --> 01:34:25,259
any council member. But again,

2678
01:34:25,259 --> 01:34:26,961
you know, the way these were

2679
01:34:26,961 --> 01:34:28,162
set up is really the boards

2680
01:34:28,162 --> 01:34:29,464
obviously report to the council.

2681
01:34:29,464 --> 01:34:31,332
There's an extension of the

2682
01:34:31,332 --> 01:34:33,468
council that's liaison to try

2683
01:34:33,468 --> 01:34:35,202
to interface. But I mean, I

2684
01:34:35,202 --> 01:34:37,205
don't think it's really that

2685
01:34:37,205 --> 01:34:38,740
big of an issue. I mean any

2686
01:34:38,740 --> 01:34:40,342
liaison is going to I would

2687
01:34:40,342 --> 01:34:41,409
think, right, accommodate any

2688
01:34:41,409 --> 01:34:43,244
request, whether they agree

2689
01:34:43,244 --> 01:34:45,379
with the issue coming forward

2690
01:34:45,379 --> 01:34:47,415
or not, but liaison or the

2691
01:34:47,415 --> 01:34:49,417
mayor. And that way you write

2692
01:34:49,417 --> 01:34:51,686
the reason why I bring it up,

2693
01:34:51,686 --> 01:34:53,221
you know, and you hear a number

2694
01:34:53,221 --> 01:34:56,557
of times speak, people speak on

2695
01:34:56,557 --> 01:34:58,392
behalf of or that they're a

2696
01:34:58,392 --> 01:35:00,261
member of a board, and that MAY

2697
01:35:00,261 --> 01:35:02,196
not be with a full backing of

2698
01:35:02,196 --> 01:35:03,498
the board. So yeah, that's what

2699
01:35:03,498 --> 01:35:07,668
I said before. Yeah. Just to be

2700
01:35:07,668 --> 01:35:09,303
clear, my my language said upon

2701
01:35:09,303 --> 01:35:11,772
its own initiative, a board,

2702
01:35:11,772 --> 01:35:14,575
not a board member, a board.

2703
01:35:14,575 --> 01:35:15,477
And no one, I think through the,

2704
01:35:15,477 --> 01:35:18,477
the, the pamphlet you're giving

2705
01:35:19,547 --> 01:35:21,483
out now and all the initiation

2706
01:35:21,483 --> 01:35:22,683
education that board members

2707
01:35:22,683 --> 01:35:24,652
get, they are told they're not

2708
01:35:24,652 --> 01:35:26,521
allowed to act independently.

2709
01:35:26,521 --> 01:35:27,521
They have to act as and, you

2710
01:35:27,521 --> 01:35:28,423
know, council members, I'm

2711
01:35:28,423 --> 01:35:30,425
fully supportive. I just want

2712
01:35:30,425 --> 01:35:31,359
to make sure the procedures in

2713
01:35:31,359 --> 01:35:33,494
place so that I understand, you

2714
01:35:33,494 --> 01:35:34,595
know, the steps, not not just

2715
01:35:34,595 --> 01:35:36,331
because that we're limiting.

2716
01:35:36,331 --> 01:35:37,365
They also know how to do it.

2717
01:35:37,365 --> 01:35:39,367
Right? Right. Because a lot of

2718
01:35:39,367 --> 01:35:41,269
folks do ask me, how do we do

2719
01:35:41,269 --> 01:35:43,270
this, right? You know, you were

2720
01:35:43,270 --> 01:35:43,838
at that meeting together and

2721
01:35:43,838 --> 01:35:45,740
they ask they actually asked

2722
01:35:45,740 --> 01:35:47,275
the question and not to get

2723
01:35:47,275 --> 01:35:48,542
into, can you say the board as

2724
01:35:48,542 --> 01:35:50,845
a body. It says the board. But

2725
01:35:50,845 --> 01:35:53,448
if you want if you do, you want

2726
01:35:53,448 --> 01:35:54,215
me to amend my language, say

2727
01:35:54,215 --> 01:35:55,483
through there, through the

2728
01:35:55,483 --> 01:35:57,883
through council, through their

2729
01:35:59,587 --> 01:36:00,655
liaison council. Liaison. Is

2730
01:36:00,655 --> 01:36:01,589
that is that what everybody's

2731
01:36:01,589 --> 01:36:03,858
talking about? I think it's

2732
01:36:03,858 --> 01:36:04,425
fine. Okay. Do you want me to

2733
01:36:04,425 --> 01:36:07,425
repeat the the language upon

2734
01:36:07,462 --> 01:36:10,462
its own initiative? A board

2735
01:36:10,799 --> 01:36:13,301
that would be a capital b.

2736
01:36:13,301 --> 01:36:15,701
Comma through its council

2737
01:36:16,237 --> 01:36:19,237
liaison comma MAY present to

2738
01:36:20,374 --> 01:36:22,774
council a report resolution

2739
01:36:27,115 --> 01:36:29,515
request or advisement. Report

2740
01:36:31,286 --> 01:36:33,686
resolution or request or

2741
01:36:38,359 --> 01:36:40,461
advisement. Okay. You got it,

2742
01:36:40,461 --> 01:36:42,530
Chad? Yep. Are you good with it?

2743
01:36:42,530 --> 01:36:44,650
I'm fine with it. Okay.

2744
01:36:44,650 --> 01:36:47,650
Consensus of council for the

2745
01:36:48,602 --> 01:36:50,504
amendment. Yes, yes, yes. This

2746
01:36:50,504 --> 01:36:51,339
is nine a we'll need a public

2747
01:36:51,339 --> 01:36:53,739
hearing on second reading.

2748
01:36:54,375 --> 01:36:57,375
Mayor. Public hearings now open

2749
01:36:58,145 --> 01:37:00,548
on nine a advisory boards

2750
01:37:00,548 --> 01:37:03,250
seeing no one come forward.

2751
01:37:03,250 --> 01:37:06,250
Public hearing is now closed.

2752
01:37:06,888 --> 01:37:08,723
Council member London yes. Vice

2753
01:37:08,723 --> 01:37:10,758
mayor. Yes. Yes. Council member.

2754
01:37:10,758 --> 01:37:12,660
Stoner. Yes. Council member.

2755
01:37:12,660 --> 01:37:14,362
Vazquez. Yes. Mayor. Roscoe.

2756
01:37:14,362 --> 01:37:16,231
Yes. Councilmember. Bracken.

2757
01:37:16,231 --> 01:37:18,366
Yes. Council member. Kaplan.

2758
01:37:18,366 --> 01:37:21,366
Yes. The ordinance is adopted,

2759
01:37:21,969 --> 01:37:24,969
as amended, on second reading.

2760
01:37:26,240 --> 01:37:29,430
Can. Let's skip to nine c an

2761
01:37:29,430 --> 01:37:30,278
ordinance of an ordinance on

2762
01:37:30,278 --> 01:37:31,446
first reading. An ordinance of

2763
01:37:31,446 --> 01:37:33,140
the Village Council of the

2764
01:37:33,140 --> 01:37:35,317
Village of Key Biscayne,

2765
01:37:35,317 --> 01:37:36,451
Florida, amending chapter 23

2766
01:37:36,451 --> 01:37:38,180
retirement. Article two police

2767
01:37:38,180 --> 01:37:39,487
officers and firefighters

2768
01:37:39,487 --> 01:37:41,489
retirement plan of the Village

2769
01:37:41,489 --> 01:37:42,456
of Key Biscayne. Code of

2770
01:37:42,456 --> 01:37:44,456
ordinances regarding the

2771
01:37:44,626 --> 01:37:45,427
retirement plan for police

2772
01:37:45,427 --> 01:37:47,228
officers and firefighters of

2773
01:37:47,228 --> 01:37:49,663
the Village of Key Biscayne,

2774
01:37:49,663 --> 01:37:51,663
specifically amending section

2775
01:37:52,666 --> 01:37:54,669
2347 c of the village Code to

2776
01:37:54,669 --> 01:37:56,604
permit retired police officers

2777
01:37:56,604 --> 01:37:59,340
hired on a part time status to

2778
01:37:59,340 --> 01:38:00,141
receive in-service distribution,

2779
01:38:00,141 --> 01:38:02,141
providing for conflicts,

2780
01:38:02,977 --> 01:38:03,978
providing for severability,

2781
01:38:03,978 --> 01:38:06,378
providing for codification, and

2782
01:38:07,382 --> 01:38:10,382
providing for an effective date.

2783
01:38:10,885 --> 01:38:14,485
Go ahead chief, anyone needs to

2784
01:38:14,522 --> 01:38:16,223
move. Moved. Second. Thank you.

2785
01:38:16,223 --> 01:38:18,159
Good evening. Mayor. Council

2786
01:38:18,159 --> 01:38:19,427
members, we're bringing this

2787
01:38:19,427 --> 01:38:22,196
forward because we recently had

2788
01:38:22,196 --> 01:38:24,198
two long tenured police

2789
01:38:24,198 --> 01:38:26,367
officers retire and indicated

2790
01:38:26,367 --> 01:38:27,768
that they'd like to maintain

2791
01:38:27,768 --> 01:38:29,303
reserve status, something that

2792
01:38:29,303 --> 01:38:30,972
we haven't been able to do in

2793
01:38:30,972 --> 01:38:31,572
the past because of the

2794
01:38:31,572 --> 01:38:32,474
requirements under our

2795
01:38:32,474 --> 01:38:34,642
accreditation for training. In

2796
01:38:34,642 --> 01:38:36,377
order to do this and compensate

2797
01:38:36,377 --> 01:38:37,979
them for their time, it does

2798
01:38:37,979 --> 01:38:40,800
require a pension ordinance

2799
01:38:40,800 --> 01:38:41,449
change. And that's what we're

2800
01:38:41,449 --> 01:38:43,385
coming before before you

2801
01:38:43,385 --> 01:38:45,860
tonight asking, we do have a

2802
01:38:45,860 --> 01:38:47,221
policy that we're in draft

2803
01:38:47,221 --> 01:38:47,789
right now. We've met with the

2804
01:38:47,789 --> 01:38:49,457
collective bargaining groups

2805
01:38:49,457 --> 01:38:50,491
and explained it to them. This

2806
01:38:50,491 --> 01:38:52,860
does not replace police

2807
01:38:52,860 --> 01:38:54,295
officers. They're not going to

2808
01:38:54,295 --> 01:38:56,695
be supervisors over anyone.

2809
01:38:56,798 --> 01:38:58,432
They're just going to have the

2810
01:38:58,432 --> 01:38:59,434
ability to assist in road

2811
01:38:59,434 --> 01:39:01,469
patrol, special events or

2812
01:39:01,469 --> 01:39:02,303
things that we have and get

2813
01:39:02,303 --> 01:39:05,273
compensated for it. They have

2814
01:39:05,273 --> 01:39:06,707
to work a minimum of 12 hours a

2815
01:39:06,707 --> 01:39:09,243
month and not exceed 30 hours a

2816
01:39:09,243 --> 01:39:12,243
month. Okay. Great idea chief.

2817
01:39:13,648 --> 01:39:16,648
I commend you questions on

2818
01:39:17,118 --> 01:39:20,118
first reading. Question is why

2819
01:39:20,388 --> 01:39:22,257
are we limiting the 30 hours?

2820
01:39:22,257 --> 01:39:23,624
Because there was a reserve

2821
01:39:23,624 --> 01:39:25,860
program here in the past that

2822
01:39:25,860 --> 01:39:27,228
was not successful. So there

2823
01:39:27,228 --> 01:39:28,963
was a reserve program in the

2824
01:39:28,963 --> 01:39:30,164
past here that was not

2825
01:39:30,164 --> 01:39:32,564
successful. So we established

2826
01:39:32,833 --> 01:39:34,268
this at this point to see how

2827
01:39:34,268 --> 01:39:36,438
successful it goes. If if we

2828
01:39:36,438 --> 01:39:38,340
see that it's better at that

2829
01:39:38,340 --> 01:39:39,374
point, we MAY increase it. We

2830
01:39:39,374 --> 01:39:41,342
MAY not. There's also a concern

2831
01:39:41,342 --> 01:39:42,677
from the collective bargaining

2832
01:39:42,677 --> 01:39:43,644
groups about taking

2833
01:39:43,644 --> 01:39:45,279
opportunities away from the

2834
01:39:45,279 --> 01:39:47,114
police officers. I also chief,

2835
01:39:47,114 --> 01:39:48,182
I believe it's federal law, the

2836
01:39:48,182 --> 01:39:50,285
part time workers, they can't

2837
01:39:50,285 --> 01:39:51,552
work more than 30 hours a week.

2838
01:39:51,552 --> 01:39:53,588
No, I know, but he's asking why

2839
01:39:53,588 --> 01:39:55,256
we're limiting it to 30 hours a

2840
01:39:55,256 --> 01:39:57,910
month or a month. Yeah, I would

2841
01:39:57,910 --> 01:40:00,691
like to amend the ordinance to

2842
01:40:01,496 --> 01:40:04,298
say that to be limited by the

2843
01:40:04,298 --> 01:40:05,699
limit of the collective

2844
01:40:05,699 --> 01:40:07,402
bargaining agreement is subject

2845
01:40:07,402 --> 01:40:10,105
to the chief's discretion, so

2846
01:40:10,105 --> 01:40:11,506
that if, in fact, we can have

2847
01:40:11,506 --> 01:40:13,475
more than 30 hours and you're

2848
01:40:13,475 --> 01:40:14,642
happy with more than 30 hours,

2849
01:40:14,642 --> 01:40:16,277
and some people want to work

2850
01:40:16,277 --> 01:40:18,813
more than 30 hours, why limit

2851
01:40:18,813 --> 01:40:19,414
it? I think we will receive

2852
01:40:19,414 --> 01:40:22,216
challenges from the union, I

2853
01:40:22,216 --> 01:40:23,684
said subject to them like this,

2854
01:40:23,684 --> 01:40:25,553
but it's subject to them

2855
01:40:25,553 --> 01:40:26,954
approving. Why don't we do this?

2856
01:40:26,954 --> 01:40:28,423
It's first reading. We're in

2857
01:40:28,423 --> 01:40:30,491
active discussions with the

2858
01:40:30,491 --> 01:40:32,393
union for second reading. We'll

2859
01:40:32,393 --> 01:40:34,429
we'll have a report back if

2860
01:40:34,429 --> 01:40:35,830
they would agree. Fine. Good. I

2861
01:40:35,830 --> 01:40:38,198
can do that. We're sending them

2862
01:40:38,198 --> 01:40:40,735
the policy tomorrow. So. Great.

2863
01:40:40,735 --> 01:40:41,568
All right, MADAM Clerk. Thank

2864
01:40:41,568 --> 01:40:43,338
you. Council member. Stoner.

2865
01:40:43,338 --> 01:40:45,506
Yes. Councilor. Vazquez. Yes.

2866
01:40:45,506 --> 01:40:46,641
Mayor. Roscoe. Yes. Council

2867
01:40:46,641 --> 01:40:49,410
member. Bracken. Yes. Council

2868
01:40:49,430 --> 01:40:50,578
member. Kaplan. Yes. Council

2869
01:40:50,578 --> 01:40:52,179
member. London. Yes. And vice

2870
01:40:52,179 --> 01:40:54,579
mayor. Sardinia's. Yes. Yours

2871
01:40:54,983 --> 01:40:57,983
is approved on first reading.

2872
01:41:00,154 --> 01:41:03,191
Thank you. Okay. Nine d. D as

2873
01:41:03,191 --> 01:41:04,792
in David, right? Yes. Oh, sassy.

2874
01:41:04,792 --> 01:41:07,792
You're going to MISS The

2875
01:41:10,464 --> 01:41:12,233
discussion now. Well, yeah. An

2876
01:41:12,233 --> 01:41:13,568
ordinance on first reading. An

2877
01:41:13,568 --> 01:41:14,835
ordinance of the village of Key

2878
01:41:14,835 --> 01:41:16,835
Biscayne, Florida, amending

2879
01:41:17,405 --> 01:41:19,405
section 30 Dash 11 definitions

2880
01:41:19,574 --> 01:41:20,908
and creating section 30 Dash 39

2881
01:41:20,908 --> 01:41:22,908
certified Recovery residences

2882
01:41:23,978 --> 01:41:24,779
of the village. Code of

2883
01:41:24,779 --> 01:41:26,281
Ordinances relating to Review

2884
01:41:26,281 --> 01:41:28,681
and approval procedures for

2885
01:41:28,716 --> 01:41:29,450
certified recovery residences.

2886
01:41:29,450 --> 01:41:31,252
Providing for severability.

2887
01:41:31,252 --> 01:41:32,453
Providing for complex.

2888
01:41:32,453 --> 01:41:34,853
Providing for codification and

2889
01:41:35,323 --> 01:41:37,859
providing for an effective date.

2890
01:41:37,859 --> 01:41:40,394
Move. Second. Thank you. You

2891
01:41:40,394 --> 01:41:43,198
want to give us a background?

2892
01:41:43,198 --> 01:41:44,365
Sure. Good evening. CHAIRMAN,

2893
01:41:44,365 --> 01:41:46,765
building, zoning and planning

2894
01:41:47,168 --> 01:41:49,336
Director. So this ordinance is

2895
01:41:49,336 --> 01:41:52,340
really in response to a state

2896
01:41:52,340 --> 01:41:53,975
bill, sb 954, I believe it was,

2897
01:41:53,975 --> 01:41:55,975
which requires municipalities

2898
01:41:56,811 --> 01:41:59,447
to create a process for

2899
01:41:59,447 --> 01:42:01,416
certified recovery residences

2900
01:42:01,416 --> 01:42:03,517
to be included in the community.

2901
01:42:03,517 --> 01:42:05,186
You mean you didn't come up

2902
01:42:05,186 --> 01:42:08,786
with this by yourself? This was

2903
01:42:09,890 --> 01:42:11,325
not out of a workshop, nor my

2904
01:42:11,325 --> 01:42:12,560
own head. This was really close

2905
01:42:12,560 --> 01:42:14,562
collaboration with White Sirota,

2906
01:42:14,562 --> 01:42:15,529
who I believe is writing these

2907
01:42:15,529 --> 01:42:17,529
ordinances for municipalities

2908
01:42:18,165 --> 01:42:21,336
all over the place. And so this

2909
01:42:21,336 --> 01:42:22,637
really creates a definition of

2910
01:42:22,637 --> 01:42:24,339
adopting certain state language

2911
01:42:24,339 --> 01:42:27,339
about what a certified recovery

2912
01:42:27,408 --> 01:42:28,643
residence is. It's, you know, I

2913
01:42:28,643 --> 01:42:30,711
think in Parliament, but be

2914
01:42:30,711 --> 01:42:33,547
more explicit. The state law

2915
01:42:33,547 --> 01:42:36,316
mandates us to do this. We must

2916
01:42:36,316 --> 01:42:38,887
we must have this in place by

2917
01:42:38,887 --> 01:42:41,221
the end of the year.

2918
01:42:41,221 --> 01:42:43,621
Essentially, there's no that's

2919
01:42:44,692 --> 01:42:46,227
I think Chad can speak to that,

2920
01:42:46,227 --> 01:42:48,396
that this is not negotiable. We

2921
01:42:48,396 --> 01:42:51,199
have to comply with the law.

2922
01:42:51,199 --> 01:42:53,334
Yeah. The law says JANUARY 1st.

2923
01:42:53,334 --> 01:42:54,569
We are to have this in place.

2924
01:42:54,569 --> 01:42:56,237
There's no penalties. But, you

2925
01:42:56,237 --> 01:42:58,405
know, in the spirit of the law,

2926
01:42:58,405 --> 01:43:00,208
we as many governments are

2927
01:43:00,208 --> 01:43:02,477
trying to comply. Miami-Dade

2928
01:43:02,477 --> 01:43:04,212
County heard this on first

2929
01:43:04,212 --> 01:43:05,179
reading today at the county

2930
01:43:05,179 --> 01:43:07,579
commission, for example. All

2931
01:43:08,817 --> 01:43:11,860
this is doing is procedural.

2932
01:43:11,860 --> 01:43:13,288
And it's it's a process that

2933
01:43:13,288 --> 01:43:15,456
even if it wasn't in our code,

2934
01:43:15,456 --> 01:43:16,757
if we were if the request was

2935
01:43:16,757 --> 01:43:18,426
made, we would put them through

2936
01:43:18,426 --> 01:43:20,461
a very similar procedure under

2937
01:43:20,461 --> 01:43:24,610
the Fair Housing Act. So but

2938
01:43:25,500 --> 01:43:27,234
we're limited very much by Ada,

2939
01:43:27,234 --> 01:43:28,669
Ada and all that kind of that's

2940
01:43:28,669 --> 01:43:30,571
what this is all about. Yeah.

2941
01:43:30,571 --> 01:43:32,473
Correct. Yeah. Fair housing

2942
01:43:32,473 --> 01:43:34,542
right. Yes. So but are you

2943
01:43:34,542 --> 01:43:35,843
making it more. Wait wait wait.

2944
01:43:35,843 --> 01:43:37,812
She's not finished. I just want

2945
01:43:37,812 --> 01:43:41,412
to ask a couple questions. Did,

2946
01:43:41,949 --> 01:43:44,949
did, is this language you're

2947
01:43:47,421 --> 01:43:49,757
drafting or is this. Basically

2948
01:43:49,757 --> 01:43:51,292
copying of of what is actually

2949
01:43:51,292 --> 01:43:53,561
required of us. So my question

2950
01:43:53,561 --> 01:43:56,531
is, is can we amend it at all

2951
01:43:56,531 --> 01:43:58,866
or not? I'll answer that. First

2952
01:43:58,866 --> 01:44:01,866
of all, the statute expressly

2953
01:44:02,103 --> 01:44:04,372
provides requirements that the

2954
01:44:04,372 --> 01:44:05,372
ordinance has to have. So a lot

2955
01:44:05,372 --> 01:44:08,372
of this language comes straight

2956
01:44:08,476 --> 01:44:11,479
out of that. Also, the language

2957
01:44:11,479 --> 01:44:13,280
here follows the Department of

2958
01:44:13,280 --> 01:44:14,648
Justice guidance with the

2959
01:44:14,648 --> 01:44:16,517
criteria that we need to follow.

2960
01:44:16,517 --> 01:44:18,986
If we have to make these types

2961
01:44:18,986 --> 01:44:21,256
of decisions, yes, we can make

2962
01:44:21,256 --> 01:44:23,424
tweaks. I would prefer if

2963
01:44:23,424 --> 01:44:24,359
through first and second

2964
01:44:24,359 --> 01:44:26,928
reading, if you guys want to

2965
01:44:26,928 --> 01:44:28,729
call me and we can work through

2966
01:44:28,729 --> 01:44:30,264
them, we have a couple of

2967
01:44:30,264 --> 01:44:32,333
tweaks we still want to make

2968
01:44:32,333 --> 01:44:34,535
that. I'm going to propose on

2969
01:44:34,535 --> 01:44:36,336
second reading myself because

2970
01:44:36,336 --> 01:44:37,238
this is still, you know, I

2971
01:44:37,238 --> 01:44:39,406
think it we're close, but i

2972
01:44:39,406 --> 01:44:41,476
still want to tweak a couple of

2973
01:44:41,476 --> 01:44:42,709
the language. So. Okay, so

2974
01:44:42,709 --> 01:44:44,913
you'd rather that we call you.

2975
01:44:44,913 --> 01:44:46,314
And I would prefer just because

2976
01:44:46,314 --> 01:44:49,583
of this, you know, these types

2977
01:44:49,583 --> 01:44:51,252
of matters. Ten, ten, 12 years

2978
01:44:51,252 --> 01:44:53,254
ago, there was massive amount

2979
01:44:53,254 --> 01:44:54,422
of a massive amount of

2980
01:44:54,422 --> 01:44:56,491
litigation around the state. It

2981
01:44:56,491 --> 01:44:58,292
wasn't until our federal

2982
01:44:58,292 --> 01:44:59,526
representatives, as well as

2983
01:44:59,526 --> 01:45:01,362
representatives in California,

2984
01:45:01,362 --> 01:45:03,364
came together and started to

2985
01:45:03,364 --> 01:45:04,565
work with the Department of

2986
01:45:04,565 --> 01:45:05,733
Justice and then the state of

2987
01:45:05,733 --> 01:45:08,133
Florida, in fact, adopted

2988
01:45:08,369 --> 01:45:10,771
certain regulations. So I would

2989
01:45:10,771 --> 01:45:13,771
prefer if we talk individually,

2990
01:45:13,908 --> 01:45:14,709
speak with me. And on second

2991
01:45:14,709 --> 01:45:18,309
reading we can have a robust

2992
01:45:18,580 --> 01:45:20,114
discussion. So. So so are you

2993
01:45:20,114 --> 01:45:22,183
advising us not to ask

2994
01:45:22,183 --> 01:45:25,783
questions? You can if you want.

2995
01:45:25,987 --> 01:45:28,589
I'm happy to take your comments,

2996
01:45:28,589 --> 01:45:30,391
but getting into any fact

2997
01:45:30,391 --> 01:45:32,126
specific situations I will not.

2998
01:45:32,126 --> 01:45:33,161
Okay. You know, but if it's

2999
01:45:33,161 --> 01:45:34,395
just general comments that's

3000
01:45:34,395 --> 01:45:36,263
fine. But you should know that

3001
01:45:36,263 --> 01:45:37,398
I am going to come back on

3002
01:45:37,398 --> 01:45:40,398
second reading with some tweaks

3003
01:45:41,903 --> 01:45:42,903
of my own. This is just for the

3004
01:45:42,903 --> 01:45:45,303
record. This is another

3005
01:45:46,107 --> 01:45:48,409
instance of the state usurping

3006
01:45:48,409 --> 01:45:49,276
our self, our our right to

3007
01:45:49,276 --> 01:45:51,676
self-govern. I'm not really

3008
01:45:52,646 --> 01:45:54,181
worried about this particular,

3009
01:45:54,181 --> 01:45:55,416
its procedural, but yeah, but

3010
01:45:55,416 --> 01:45:57,816
it's another it's another

3011
01:45:58,819 --> 01:46:00,221
instance of that. Can I, can I

3012
01:46:00,221 --> 01:46:02,423
talk to Nancy? Right. What

3013
01:46:02,423 --> 01:46:03,591
Nancy is if we make this, can

3014
01:46:03,591 --> 01:46:06,591
we make this more restrictive

3015
01:46:06,728 --> 01:46:08,229
or as a question under your

3016
01:46:08,229 --> 01:46:10,532
opinion, not his. I'm asking

3017
01:46:10,532 --> 01:46:12,199
you. Yeah, as it were. I don't

3018
01:46:12,199 --> 01:46:13,501
know if we can make it more

3019
01:46:13,501 --> 01:46:15,703
restrictive because it matters.

3020
01:46:15,703 --> 01:46:17,772
So the law says at a minimum,

3021
01:46:17,772 --> 01:46:19,340
we have to have certain things.

3022
01:46:19,340 --> 01:46:22,760
We can be more restrictive. The

3023
01:46:22,760 --> 01:46:24,278
criteria is set that you look

3024
01:46:24,278 --> 01:46:25,446
at, okay. But there are certain

3025
01:46:25,446 --> 01:46:28,446
things we can ask other

3026
01:46:28,616 --> 01:46:30,751
governments have more robust

3027
01:46:30,751 --> 01:46:32,386
procedures. So again, you know,

3028
01:46:32,386 --> 01:46:34,422
if you want to make it more

3029
01:46:34,422 --> 01:46:36,423
restrictive, I'm happy to hear

3030
01:46:36,423 --> 01:46:40,230
some of your thoughts. But yes,

3031
01:46:40,280 --> 01:46:40,494
this is the minimum. I think

3032
01:46:40,494 --> 01:46:42,796
your question are we

3033
01:46:42,796 --> 01:46:43,765
inadvertently paving the road

3034
01:46:43,765 --> 01:46:46,367
for this possibly happening in

3035
01:46:46,367 --> 01:46:50,138
our. No, I don't I don't I

3036
01:46:50,138 --> 01:46:54,308
don't think so. I, I think that

3037
01:46:54,308 --> 01:46:56,511
well. Again, 1012 years ago,

3038
01:46:56,511 --> 01:46:58,246
Boca Raton, Delray Beach, all

3039
01:46:58,246 --> 01:46:59,780
these beach cities, they were

3040
01:46:59,780 --> 01:47:01,616
dealing with this a lot. It

3041
01:47:01,616 --> 01:47:03,684
didn't come here. It doesn't

3042
01:47:03,684 --> 01:47:05,420
mean it can't. But we could

3043
01:47:05,420 --> 01:47:06,521
definitely look and make it

3044
01:47:06,521 --> 01:47:09,521
more restrictive. Do you have

3045
01:47:09,690 --> 01:47:11,125
some ideas? But we are confined

3046
01:47:11,125 --> 01:47:13,460
by what we can do through the

3047
01:47:13,460 --> 01:47:14,628
Fair Housing Act. Okay, thanks.

3048
01:47:14,628 --> 01:47:16,130
Well, it sounds like you're

3049
01:47:16,130 --> 01:47:17,531
going to be working on this

3050
01:47:17,531 --> 01:47:19,366
anyway. And you have some ideas.

3051
01:47:19,366 --> 01:47:20,735
Yeah, yeah. We and again, some

3052
01:47:20,735 --> 01:47:21,402
of my ideas came from speaking

3053
01:47:21,402 --> 01:47:22,469
with Council Member Stone

3054
01:47:22,469 --> 01:47:24,972
already. I've talked with a

3055
01:47:24,972 --> 01:47:27,274
couple of other council members

3056
01:47:27,274 --> 01:47:28,543
also. Also, we are seeing what

3057
01:47:28,543 --> 01:47:30,244
other like what Miami-Dade

3058
01:47:30,244 --> 01:47:32,280
County did for example. So

3059
01:47:32,280 --> 01:47:33,515
today. So we're we're

3060
01:47:33,515 --> 01:47:35,182
monitoring what all the

3061
01:47:35,182 --> 01:47:37,582
different governments are doing.

3062
01:47:38,190 --> 01:47:39,870
So we're going to come back

3063
01:47:39,870 --> 01:47:40,555
with with some changes. I have

3064
01:47:40,555 --> 01:47:41,622
a question. Sure. How many

3065
01:47:41,622 --> 01:47:43,625
occupants can be in these

3066
01:47:43,625 --> 01:47:45,493
recovery residences. It depends.

3067
01:47:45,493 --> 01:47:49,930
It depends on their license and

3068
01:47:49,330 --> 01:47:52,330
the type of facilities. Well,

3069
01:47:53,467 --> 01:47:57,504
the the maximum in the law, I

3070
01:47:57,504 --> 01:47:59,406
believe 90, 50 or 90 I read. No,

3071
01:47:59,406 --> 01:48:01,275
I think it's larger. Hold on, i

3072
01:48:01,275 --> 01:48:04,275
can't. That's not a single

3073
01:48:06,800 --> 01:48:07,782
family house for. They talk

3074
01:48:07,782 --> 01:48:09,417
about how many people you have

3075
01:48:09,417 --> 01:48:11,185
to have supervising and working

3076
01:48:11,185 --> 01:48:13,387
there the ratios. But I didn't

3077
01:48:13,387 --> 01:48:14,289
see us at based on the size of

3078
01:48:14,289 --> 01:48:16,624
the property, the number of

3079
01:48:16,624 --> 01:48:18,326
beds, the number of rooms. I

3080
01:48:18,326 --> 01:48:19,727
didn't see anything in there.

3081
01:48:19,727 --> 01:48:23,164
So that's why I'm asking under

3082
01:48:23,164 --> 01:48:25,733
under the level four. It it

3083
01:48:25,733 --> 01:48:27,902
says that the residence is

3084
01:48:27,902 --> 01:48:30,302
managed, is approved for 100

3085
01:48:31,339 --> 01:48:32,706
residents and is wholly owned

3086
01:48:32,706 --> 01:48:33,440
and controlled by a licensed

3087
01:48:33,440 --> 01:48:35,840
service provider, electing to

3088
01:48:36,443 --> 01:48:38,179
manage up to 300 residents. So

3089
01:48:38,179 --> 01:48:40,547
my question is, could you take

3090
01:48:40,547 --> 01:48:42,583
a 75 100 foot lot and go build

3091
01:48:42,583 --> 01:48:43,751
a ten story building and put

3092
01:48:43,751 --> 01:48:45,987
100 people in there? No, it's

3093
01:48:45,987 --> 01:48:48,422
based upon zoning. Still, one

3094
01:48:48,422 --> 01:48:51,759
of the criteria that you would

3095
01:48:51,759 --> 01:48:52,960
look at is whether the

3096
01:48:52,960 --> 01:48:54,529
requested accommodation would

3097
01:48:54,529 --> 01:48:55,296
require a fundamental

3098
01:48:55,296 --> 01:48:57,464
alteration in the nature of

3099
01:48:57,464 --> 01:48:59,167
land use and zoning regulations

3100
01:48:59,167 --> 01:49:02,370
that comes out of the doj

3101
01:49:02,370 --> 01:49:04,272
standards. So the answer is no.

3102
01:49:04,272 --> 01:49:06,373
So basically, if we for

3103
01:49:06,373 --> 01:49:08,773
argument's sake, I think 75 100

3104
01:49:10,911 --> 01:49:13,480
foot lot with a 0.47 F.A.R

3105
01:49:13,480 --> 01:49:14,482
gives you about 3525ft!S, our

3106
01:49:14,482 --> 01:49:16,417
standard, I'm assuming. Were

3107
01:49:16,417 --> 01:49:19,287
you talking about single family

3108
01:49:19,287 --> 01:49:22,887
areas? No. Under the what I

3109
01:49:24,358 --> 01:49:26,794
just said is that the if if the

3110
01:49:26,794 --> 01:49:28,262
request would, would require a

3111
01:49:28,262 --> 01:49:29,430
fundamental alteration in the

3112
01:49:29,430 --> 01:49:31,899
nature of the land use and

3113
01:49:31,899 --> 01:49:32,499
zoning, then that wouldn't be a

3114
01:49:32,499 --> 01:49:34,499
reasonable accommodation. That

3115
01:49:34,502 --> 01:49:35,303
would be this is not a

3116
01:49:35,303 --> 01:49:38,205
residential then. No, it could

3117
01:49:38,205 --> 01:49:39,841
be. Your example is to go high,

3118
01:49:39,841 --> 01:49:41,376
build a building, but someone

3119
01:49:41,376 --> 01:49:43,611
can come in to a home and do

3120
01:49:43,611 --> 01:49:47,481
this. Okay. So say we build a

3121
01:49:47,481 --> 01:49:48,749
standard home 3525ft!S. How many

3122
01:49:48,749 --> 01:49:50,251
people could we have housing

3123
01:49:50,251 --> 01:49:51,585
there? It depends on their

3124
01:49:51,585 --> 01:49:53,120
licensing and the spacing. I

3125
01:49:53,120 --> 01:49:54,288
mean, there's a lot of

3126
01:49:54,288 --> 01:49:56,324
different factors. Okay. Yeah.

3127
01:49:56,324 --> 01:49:57,291
I mean, this is an operating

3128
01:49:57,291 --> 01:49:58,759
business, isn't it? Then again,

3129
01:49:58,759 --> 01:50:00,594
I guess my next question then

3130
01:50:00,594 --> 01:50:02,563
becomes, is there anything we

3131
01:50:02,563 --> 01:50:04,298
can do in our zoning code which

3132
01:50:04,298 --> 01:50:06,298
is reasonable and

3133
01:50:06,434 --> 01:50:07,234
nondiscriminatory, of course,

3134
01:50:07,234 --> 01:50:09,536
to limit the number of people

3135
01:50:09,536 --> 01:50:10,604
that would be in these recovery

3136
01:50:10,604 --> 01:50:12,306
residences. I think you just

3137
01:50:12,306 --> 01:50:14,441
said the magic words. You can't

3138
01:50:14,441 --> 01:50:17,344
be discriminatory, and it has

3139
01:50:17,344 --> 01:50:19,413
to be reasonable. So there MAY

3140
01:50:19,413 --> 01:50:20,815
be things that we can look at

3141
01:50:20,815 --> 01:50:23,215
that other governments have

3142
01:50:23,317 --> 01:50:26,187
done. But again, you need to be

3143
01:50:26,187 --> 01:50:28,322
cautious of this because this

3144
01:50:28,322 --> 01:50:30,591
could turn into a fair Housing

3145
01:50:30,591 --> 01:50:32,827
Act issue. So but I'm happy to

3146
01:50:32,827 --> 01:50:34,261
talk to you, like I said, and

3147
01:50:34,261 --> 01:50:36,331
hear some of your ideas. And,

3148
01:50:36,331 --> 01:50:38,199
you know, we've done a lot of

3149
01:50:38,199 --> 01:50:40,435
these across the state over the

3150
01:50:40,435 --> 01:50:43,170
years. How does Live Oak Live

3151
01:50:43,170 --> 01:50:45,570
Local affect potentially affect

3152
01:50:47,175 --> 01:50:49,276
this? Live local does not

3153
01:50:49,276 --> 01:50:51,112
affect us. This is separate. So

3154
01:50:51,112 --> 01:50:52,680
so live local developer

3155
01:50:52,680 --> 01:50:53,514
couldn't come in and do

3156
01:50:53,514 --> 01:50:55,549
workforce housing and also

3157
01:50:55,549 --> 01:50:56,984
attach one of these and then

3158
01:50:56,984 --> 01:50:59,984
violate all those. Push through

3159
01:51:00,187 --> 01:51:02,356
zoning is well live local is

3160
01:51:02,356 --> 01:51:04,158
not permitted in single family

3161
01:51:04,158 --> 01:51:05,760
first of all. So it would be in

3162
01:51:05,760 --> 01:51:07,494
commercial, industrial or mixed

3163
01:51:07,494 --> 01:51:10,970
use. You don't have industrial,

3164
01:51:10,970 --> 01:51:12,833
so it would be limiting if they

3165
01:51:12,833 --> 01:51:17,633
were to come in and do a live

3166
01:51:17,905 --> 01:51:19,106
local project. It has to be

3167
01:51:19,106 --> 01:51:20,341
income restricted, which is

3168
01:51:20,341 --> 01:51:22,341
interesting because typically

3169
01:51:22,610 --> 01:51:24,212
what you see is these homes are

3170
01:51:24,212 --> 01:51:25,579
actually very wealthy people

3171
01:51:25,579 --> 01:51:27,148
that are from the north that

3172
01:51:27,148 --> 01:51:28,916
come down here to rehab. So

3173
01:51:28,916 --> 01:51:30,250
it's a little different. And

3174
01:51:30,250 --> 01:51:31,552
they're transient. They're not

3175
01:51:31,552 --> 01:51:33,287
rental. These are transient

3176
01:51:33,287 --> 01:51:35,456
living type facilities. So I

3177
01:51:35,456 --> 01:51:36,424
don't really see the there's no

3178
01:51:36,424 --> 01:51:37,692
connection. The connection.

3179
01:51:37,692 --> 01:51:38,458
Could someone be creative?

3180
01:51:38,458 --> 01:51:40,394
Maybe. But they also would have

3181
01:51:40,394 --> 01:51:42,163
to go through the licensing

3182
01:51:42,163 --> 01:51:43,464
process. And it just doesn't

3183
01:51:43,464 --> 01:51:46,234
make sense to me. It would have

3184
01:51:46,234 --> 01:51:47,434
to be a full rental. I mean, it

3185
01:51:47,434 --> 01:51:48,536
seems difficult. Yeah. Just

3186
01:51:48,536 --> 01:51:50,936
asking the general question.

3187
01:51:51,272 --> 01:51:53,440
Thank you. So again, please, I

3188
01:51:53,440 --> 01:51:55,142
mean, I'm happy to reach out to

3189
01:51:55,142 --> 01:51:56,310
you guys in between, like I

3190
01:51:56,310 --> 01:51:58,412
typically try to check in, but

3191
01:51:58,412 --> 01:51:59,680
if you have anything, call me.

3192
01:51:59,680 --> 01:52:01,749
And on second reading we can.

3193
01:52:01,749 --> 01:52:05,349
I'm happy to have a robust

3194
01:52:07,421 --> 01:52:10,421
discussion. Okay. Okay. So. I

3195
01:52:11,993 --> 01:52:12,460
think that covers it on first

3196
01:52:12,460 --> 01:52:14,195
reading, MADAM Clerk,

3197
01:52:14,195 --> 01:52:15,430
Councilmember Vasquez. Yes.

3198
01:52:15,430 --> 01:52:17,430
Mayor. Roscoe. Yes.

3199
01:52:17,464 --> 01:52:18,733
Councilmember. Yes.

3200
01:52:18,733 --> 01:52:20,601
Councilmember. Kaplan. Yes.

3201
01:52:20,601 --> 01:52:22,601
Councilmember. London. Yes.

3202
01:52:22,670 --> 01:52:25,390
Vice mayor. Yes. And

3203
01:52:25,390 --> 01:52:27,390
Councilmember. Stoner. Yes.

3204
01:52:30,511 --> 01:52:32,911
Approved on first reading. 90.

3205
01:52:33,347 --> 01:52:35,416
MR. Mayor 90. Okay. An

3206
01:52:35,416 --> 01:52:36,384
ordinance of the Village of Key

3207
01:52:36,384 --> 01:52:38,352
Biscayne, Florida, amending

3208
01:52:38,352 --> 01:52:40,352
section 30 Dash 104,

3209
01:52:40,488 --> 01:52:41,355
Institutional district of the

3210
01:52:41,355 --> 01:52:43,570
village Code of Ordinances to

3211
01:52:43,570 --> 01:52:45,570
provide development regulations

3212
01:52:45,159 --> 01:52:47,428
for properties that are

3213
01:52:47,428 --> 01:52:49,229
10,000ft!S or less. Providing for

3214
01:52:49,229 --> 01:52:50,431
severability. Providing for

3215
01:52:50,431 --> 01:52:52,431
codification, providing for

3216
01:52:53,233 --> 01:52:55,269
conflicts, and providing for an

3217
01:52:55,269 --> 01:52:57,669
effective date. So moved.

3218
01:52:58,739 --> 01:52:59,373
Second. Second. Thank you. I'd

3219
01:52:59,373 --> 01:53:02,209
like to make an amendment to

3220
01:53:02,209 --> 01:53:05,209
this. Well, first tell people

3221
01:53:05,946 --> 01:53:08,449
what's going on to do here. We

3222
01:53:08,449 --> 01:53:10,351
have well this is the general.

3223
01:53:10,351 --> 01:53:12,620
This is there are two parts to

3224
01:53:12,620 --> 01:53:14,955
this. Yeah. This is the general

3225
01:53:14,955 --> 01:53:17,955
changing of the code to

3226
01:53:18,659 --> 01:53:20,561
accommodate a property that is

3227
01:53:20,561 --> 01:53:23,561
smaller than what is typically

3228
01:53:23,564 --> 01:53:25,900
our institutional size property.

3229
01:53:25,900 --> 01:53:26,533
Usually the institutional size

3230
01:53:26,533 --> 01:53:28,369
properties are like

3231
01:53:28,369 --> 01:53:30,204
Presbyterian Church, Saint

3232
01:53:30,204 --> 01:53:32,604
Agnes, they're large properties.

3233
01:53:32,740 --> 01:53:34,175
But we have for example, Chabad,

3234
01:53:34,175 --> 01:53:35,376
which is in a much smaller

3235
01:53:35,376 --> 01:53:37,776
property. And the institution,

3236
01:53:40,248 --> 01:53:44,251
first of all. This is to allow

3237
01:53:44,251 --> 01:53:46,988
a smaller size property to be

3238
01:53:46,988 --> 01:53:48,856
classified as institutional.

3239
01:53:48,856 --> 01:53:52,456
That's that's the first step of

3240
01:53:53,227 --> 01:53:54,495
the process. It's a kind of

3241
01:53:54,495 --> 01:53:56,895
unique situation because we

3242
01:53:56,897 --> 01:53:58,298
have, for example, Chabad,

3243
01:53:58,298 --> 01:54:00,334
which is right, or most all of

3244
01:54:00,334 --> 01:54:03,203
the houses of worship are and

3245
01:54:03,203 --> 01:54:04,939
it's functioning under a an

3246
01:54:04,939 --> 01:54:06,474
order that gives a lot of

3247
01:54:06,474 --> 01:54:07,274
restrictions. But that's not

3248
01:54:07,274 --> 01:54:09,844
really what this particular one

3249
01:54:09,844 --> 01:54:12,313
is about. This is about

3250
01:54:12,313 --> 01:54:13,380
allowing this. This item is

3251
01:54:13,380 --> 01:54:15,380
about allowing smaller

3252
01:54:17,351 --> 01:54:19,620
properties to be fall within

3253
01:54:19,620 --> 01:54:22,200
institutional provided for as

3254
01:54:24,124 --> 01:54:27,124
an institutional zoning. So it

3255
01:54:27,228 --> 01:54:29,263
excuse me, but it is creating a,

3256
01:54:29,263 --> 01:54:31,663
a classification to allow

3257
01:54:32,233 --> 01:54:34,633
smaller properties to be

3258
01:54:35,269 --> 01:54:37,772
institutional and and Nancy why

3259
01:54:37,772 --> 01:54:38,338
why why do we need to do this?

3260
01:54:38,338 --> 01:54:40,574
I read I read this and I,

3261
01:54:40,574 --> 01:54:41,876
honest to GOD did not

3262
01:54:41,876 --> 01:54:43,444
understand it. It's too much

3263
01:54:43,444 --> 01:54:44,612
for me. So why is this helping

3264
01:54:44,612 --> 01:54:47,181
us or restricting us? Why would

3265
01:54:47,181 --> 01:54:48,516
we do this just as a well, for

3266
01:54:48,516 --> 01:54:50,350
example, right now we have

3267
01:54:50,350 --> 01:54:52,750
Chabad, right? Which doesn't

3268
01:54:52,854 --> 01:54:54,210
have institutional. It doesn't

3269
01:54:54,210 --> 01:54:56,124
have the benefits of

3270
01:54:56,124 --> 01:54:58,393
institutional. Zoning, and it

3271
01:54:58,393 --> 01:55:00,793
doesn't have the obligations

3272
01:55:01,262 --> 01:55:02,563
and restrictions of, of, of

3273
01:55:02,563 --> 01:55:04,332
institutional zoning. But it is

3274
01:55:04,332 --> 01:55:06,300
a house of worship, and it's

3275
01:55:06,300 --> 01:55:07,635
right where it should be, where

3276
01:55:07,635 --> 01:55:09,304
all the houses of worship are.

3277
01:55:09,304 --> 01:55:11,739
So it's trying to bring them

3278
01:55:11,739 --> 01:55:12,506
under the same umbrella as all

3279
01:55:12,506 --> 01:55:14,275
the other houses of worship.

3280
01:55:14,275 --> 01:55:16,109
Okay. And particularly to allow

3281
01:55:16,109 --> 01:55:17,978
them to have some kind of

3282
01:55:17,978 --> 01:55:20,314
signage. Well, that's one of

3283
01:55:20,314 --> 01:55:22,583
the issues that that it came up,

3284
01:55:22,583 --> 01:55:23,417
this whole issue came up with

3285
01:55:23,417 --> 01:55:25,986
the signage because we didn't

3286
01:55:25,986 --> 01:55:26,420
know what to do with them

3287
01:55:26,420 --> 01:55:27,788
because they weren't

3288
01:55:27,788 --> 01:55:29,390
institutional. They were an

3289
01:55:29,390 --> 01:55:32,226
outlier on that issue. Is that

3290
01:55:32,226 --> 01:55:34,562
the only issue? They're under a

3291
01:55:34,562 --> 01:55:36,663
development order? One reason I

3292
01:55:36,663 --> 01:55:39,330
don't know why we would want to

3293
01:55:39,330 --> 01:55:40,467
do this is the conversation we

3294
01:55:40,467 --> 01:55:41,836
just had about live local, and

3295
01:55:41,836 --> 01:55:43,338
I don't know why we would want

3296
01:55:43,338 --> 01:55:45,338
to create institutional

3297
01:55:45,573 --> 01:55:46,340
opportunities where the

3298
01:55:46,340 --> 01:55:48,740
neighborhood isn't houses of

3299
01:55:48,843 --> 01:55:50,511
worship. The local doesn't

3300
01:55:50,511 --> 01:55:52,911
concern institutional. It does.

3301
01:55:54,549 --> 01:55:56,917
No it doesn't commercial,

3302
01:55:56,917 --> 01:55:59,317
definitely industrial. Let me

3303
01:55:59,420 --> 01:56:00,521
check. Institutional. No, but

3304
01:56:00,521 --> 01:56:02,590
let me check the new changes to

3305
01:56:02,590 --> 01:56:05,360
see if it changes it recently.

3306
01:56:05,360 --> 01:56:08,929
Well, let me just say that my

3307
01:56:08,929 --> 01:56:10,464
amendment was not only going to

3308
01:56:10,464 --> 01:56:13,464
be for properties less than

3309
01:56:13,734 --> 01:56:16,537
10,000ft!S in size and contiguous

3310
01:56:16,537 --> 01:56:18,473
with existing institutional

3311
01:56:18,473 --> 01:56:20,274
uses, so it couldn't be in the

3312
01:56:20,274 --> 01:56:22,276
middle of the island. Some

3313
01:56:22,276 --> 01:56:24,779
house wants to. It has to be.

3314
01:56:24,779 --> 01:56:26,314
That's a helpful. That's so

3315
01:56:26,314 --> 01:56:29,914
just an answer to the live

3316
01:56:30,584 --> 01:56:32,584
local question. It's.

3317
01:56:33,487 --> 01:56:35,487
Commercial, industrial, mixed

3318
01:56:37,525 --> 01:56:39,860
use or any portion or or mixed

3319
01:56:39,860 --> 01:56:42,963
use and in portions of any

3320
01:56:42,963 --> 01:56:44,899
flexibly, flexibly zoned areas,

3321
01:56:44,899 --> 01:56:46,367
such as a planned unit

3322
01:56:46,367 --> 01:56:48,169
development permitted for

3323
01:56:48,169 --> 01:56:50,304
commercial, industrial or mixed

3324
01:56:50,304 --> 01:56:52,273
use. Now there are new

3325
01:56:52,273 --> 01:56:55,273
definitions for for those terms.

3326
01:56:57,770 --> 01:57:00,380
Now to that we need to look at.

3327
01:57:00,380 --> 01:57:02,316
The. There was an amendment in

3328
01:57:02,316 --> 01:57:03,450
2025 that would allow

3329
01:57:03,450 --> 01:57:05,252
municipalities to allow

3330
01:57:05,252 --> 01:57:07,154
additional development in

3331
01:57:07,154 --> 01:57:09,890
church properties, but it

3332
01:57:09,890 --> 01:57:12,890
doesn't require it. It doesn't

3333
01:57:12,327 --> 01:57:15,950
mandate it. Yeah, yeah. With

3334
01:57:15,950 --> 01:57:17,965
the addition that that Nancy

3335
01:57:17,965 --> 01:57:19,200
suggested, which I think is

3336
01:57:19,200 --> 01:57:21,335
important, is contiguous means

3337
01:57:21,335 --> 01:57:24,171
attached to our comp plan

3338
01:57:24,171 --> 01:57:25,206
speaks to the same issue. Yes.

3339
01:57:25,206 --> 01:57:26,441
This would be essentially

3340
01:57:26,441 --> 01:57:28,841
taking something like, for

3341
01:57:29,677 --> 01:57:30,811
instance, somebody could apply

3342
01:57:30,811 --> 01:57:34,411
to rezone a single family home

3343
01:57:34,682 --> 01:57:35,516
to commercial. We would not

3344
01:57:35,516 --> 01:57:37,318
support that. The comp plan

3345
01:57:37,318 --> 01:57:40,200
doesn't support it. So I think

3346
01:57:40,200 --> 01:57:41,422
if someone wanted to build a

3347
01:57:41,422 --> 01:57:43,257
church on Satinwood, right,

3348
01:57:43,257 --> 01:57:45,560
it's the comp plan would not

3349
01:57:45,560 --> 01:57:48,329
support that as well. I think

3350
01:57:48,329 --> 01:57:50,431
making it explicit into the

3351
01:57:50,431 --> 01:57:52,533
into the code is helpful though.

3352
01:57:52,533 --> 01:57:53,267
The only place to the zoning

3353
01:57:53,267 --> 01:57:55,402
ordinance. We talked about this

3354
01:57:55,402 --> 01:57:56,337
in our preview meeting. The

3355
01:57:56,337 --> 01:57:59,206
only other place that I could

3356
01:57:59,206 --> 01:58:02,806
think of that would work would

3357
01:58:02,843 --> 01:58:05,843
be contiguous to the community

3358
01:58:06,180 --> 01:58:08,180
church, because that's

3359
01:58:09,183 --> 01:58:11,583
institutional. So it's also

3360
01:58:12,386 --> 01:58:14,255
Fernwood. So we had this

3361
01:58:14,255 --> 01:58:17,255
discussion not too long ago

3362
01:58:17,358 --> 01:58:19,326
about the undesirability of

3363
01:58:19,326 --> 01:58:20,494
establishing a footprint that

3364
01:58:20,494 --> 01:58:22,894
would affect the Fernwood

3365
01:58:24,265 --> 01:58:27,167
neighborhood. So back to what

3366
01:58:27,167 --> 01:58:29,237
exists. And and I think what

3367
01:58:29,237 --> 01:58:31,139
provoked some critical thinking

3368
01:58:31,139 --> 01:58:33,539
about Chabad specifically is

3369
01:58:34,375 --> 01:58:36,277
the menorah in the front lawn.

3370
01:58:36,277 --> 01:58:39,446
Well, let let me just go back

3371
01:58:39,446 --> 01:58:42,283
and say the order under which

3372
01:58:42,283 --> 01:58:44,510
Chabad is functioning is

3373
01:58:44,510 --> 01:58:45,219
astounding. There are like 20

3374
01:58:45,219 --> 01:58:46,487
restrictions. You can't do this.

3375
01:58:46,487 --> 01:58:48,289
You can't do that. You can't.

3376
01:58:48,289 --> 01:58:51,325
It is. And I think it happened

3377
01:58:51,325 --> 01:58:52,559
because at the time, 20 or so

3378
01:58:52,559 --> 01:58:54,128
years ago, no one really

3379
01:58:54,128 --> 01:58:56,397
understood what Chabad was.

3380
01:58:56,397 --> 01:58:58,990
Never one was probably a little

3381
01:58:58,990 --> 01:59:00,568
nervous and put all these

3382
01:59:00,568 --> 01:59:02,968
restrictions and now that

3383
01:59:04,705 --> 01:59:06,473
history has has unfolded, it's

3384
01:59:06,473 --> 01:59:08,275
everything's fine. And that was

3385
01:59:08,275 --> 01:59:10,778
just that. That order is just

3386
01:59:10,778 --> 01:59:12,413
overkill. Overkill and

3387
01:59:12,413 --> 01:59:13,314
discriminatory in some respects.

3388
01:59:13,314 --> 01:59:15,314
It's discriminatory. It's

3389
01:59:15,449 --> 01:59:17,852
ridiculous. Can we can we back

3390
01:59:17,852 --> 01:59:19,860
off on that, Nancy? Can we

3391
01:59:19,860 --> 01:59:21,188
revise the order so that. Well,

3392
01:59:21,188 --> 01:59:22,523
it seems it just seems silly

3393
01:59:22,523 --> 01:59:24,625
that it seems silly that it

3394
01:59:24,625 --> 01:59:26,394
wouldn't just be institutional

3395
01:59:26,394 --> 01:59:27,562
and that why don't you make

3396
01:59:27,562 --> 01:59:30,231
that amendment to your thing

3397
01:59:30,231 --> 01:59:31,733
that this is it's less than

3398
01:59:31,733 --> 01:59:34,133
10,000ft in adjacent or

3399
01:59:34,134 --> 01:59:36,270
contiguous to the existing

3400
01:59:36,270 --> 01:59:38,506
institutional use, and that way

3401
01:59:38,506 --> 01:59:39,240
it limits it really to that

3402
01:59:39,240 --> 01:59:42,240
neighborhood. Jan, are we on

3403
01:59:42,443 --> 01:59:45,443
the straight and narrow? It

3404
01:59:46,280 --> 01:59:49,280
depends on, you know, adjacency.

3405
01:59:49,317 --> 01:59:52,917
I guess it would mean across

3406
01:59:53,354 --> 01:59:55,256
the street. Yeah. Okay. We MAY

3407
01:59:55,256 --> 01:59:57,492
have to define that, but we

3408
01:59:57,492 --> 01:59:59,327
could probably. Yeah. We know

3409
01:59:59,327 --> 02:00:01,128
that's worse. Okay. Yeah.

3410
02:00:01,128 --> 02:00:02,363
Contiguous is touching.

3411
02:00:02,363 --> 02:00:04,299
Adjacent is sometimes defined

3412
02:00:04,299 --> 02:00:07,299
as across the street. Sometimes

3413
02:00:07,635 --> 02:00:08,502
it's not Frank's point. So if

3414
02:00:08,502 --> 02:00:11,502
someone would decide that they

3415
02:00:11,805 --> 02:00:12,740
wanted to do this on another

3416
02:00:12,740 --> 02:00:14,308
piece of property on Fernwood,

3417
02:00:14,308 --> 02:00:16,710
would that are we opening up

3418
02:00:16,710 --> 02:00:19,146
this situation so we allow

3419
02:00:19,146 --> 02:00:21,546
another possible facility on

3420
02:00:22,116 --> 02:00:23,751
Fernwood. So we should remember

3421
02:00:23,751 --> 02:00:25,920
that this allows somebody to

3422
02:00:25,920 --> 02:00:28,156
ask for a rezoning application.

3423
02:00:28,156 --> 02:00:30,324
It does not guarantee that they

3424
02:00:30,324 --> 02:00:31,926
would be getting a rezoning for

3425
02:00:31,926 --> 02:00:33,193
that. And we still apply

3426
02:00:33,193 --> 02:00:35,496
elements of the comprehensive

3427
02:00:35,496 --> 02:00:36,697
plan that. Does it make sense

3428
02:00:36,697 --> 02:00:38,266
there? That sort of thing. But

3429
02:00:38,266 --> 02:00:39,466
if they're but if they're a

3430
02:00:39,466 --> 02:00:40,334
religious institution, doesn't

3431
02:00:40,334 --> 02:00:41,335
matter which religious

3432
02:00:41,335 --> 02:00:43,437
institution they are and they

3433
02:00:43,437 --> 02:00:45,139
just they make an application

3434
02:00:45,139 --> 02:00:47,410
and we reject that application.

3435
02:00:47,410 --> 02:00:48,943
What merits are we rejecting

3436
02:00:48,943 --> 02:00:50,278
the application on neighborhood

3437
02:00:50,278 --> 02:00:52,813
compatibility? You know, if if

3438
02:00:52,813 --> 02:00:53,680
we already have a we already

3439
02:00:53,680 --> 02:00:56,183
have a church on firmly. That's

3440
02:00:56,183 --> 02:00:57,851
my point. But if it's in, say,

3441
02:00:57,851 --> 02:00:59,286
Fernwood houses facing away

3442
02:00:59,286 --> 02:01:00,420
from it, even though the

3443
02:01:00,420 --> 02:01:02,356
property is adjacent and it's

3444
02:01:02,356 --> 02:01:03,291
out of character for the rest

3445
02:01:03,291 --> 02:01:04,492
of the street, like there's a

3446
02:01:04,492 --> 02:01:06,493
number of reasons to continue

3447
02:01:06,493 --> 02:01:08,496
to reject that that are valid.

3448
02:01:08,496 --> 02:01:10,931
I can foresee a weak position

3449
02:01:10,931 --> 02:01:13,167
on the part of our successor

3450
02:01:13,167 --> 02:01:14,435
council. Yeah, it sounds like a

3451
02:01:14,435 --> 02:01:16,237
lawsuit waiting to happen to me.

3452
02:01:16,237 --> 02:01:19,173
I mean, if we want to, if we

3453
02:01:19,173 --> 02:01:22,176
want to narrow it further, even

3454
02:01:22,176 --> 02:01:24,545
to the northwest quadrant of

3455
02:01:24,545 --> 02:01:26,514
the city, I mean, of the

3456
02:01:26,514 --> 02:01:28,515
village, just because I can see

3457
02:01:28,515 --> 02:01:30,451
one saying that. I mean, look,

3458
02:01:30,451 --> 02:01:32,185
if you look at the zoning map,

3459
02:01:32,185 --> 02:01:33,387
I'm looking at it now on my

3460
02:01:33,387 --> 02:01:35,456
screen. I mean, there's a lot

3461
02:01:35,456 --> 02:01:37,191
of blue in that area, which is

3462
02:01:37,191 --> 02:01:38,459
institutional. You know, one

3463
02:01:38,459 --> 02:01:40,294
can reason that that's where

3464
02:01:40,294 --> 02:01:41,362
you're limiting, you know, uses

3465
02:01:41,362 --> 02:01:43,564
to go because of the

3466
02:01:43,564 --> 02:01:45,833
compatibility issues. So maybe

3467
02:01:45,833 --> 02:01:47,468
that will cure the Fernwood

3468
02:01:47,468 --> 02:01:49,436
concern somewhat. I mean, I

3469
02:01:49,436 --> 02:01:51,472
know Fernwood is right there on

3470
02:01:51,472 --> 02:01:53,274
the North, but still, if you

3471
02:01:53,274 --> 02:01:55,375
limit to the north west

3472
02:01:55,375 --> 02:01:56,610
quadrant that can we do that is

3473
02:01:56,610 --> 02:01:58,646
community church school problem,

3474
02:01:58,646 --> 02:02:00,247
I think. I think we can draft

3475
02:02:00,247 --> 02:02:02,830
we can draft something that's

3476
02:02:02,830 --> 02:02:04,351
more narrow. Yeah. Not

3477
02:02:04,351 --> 02:02:06,587
presently, but you know it. If

3478
02:02:06,587 --> 02:02:08,689
things get more popular,

3479
02:02:08,689 --> 02:02:10,625
potentially we can we can

3480
02:02:10,625 --> 02:02:12,625
definitely draft something

3481
02:02:12,927 --> 02:02:14,796
that's more narrow to tie it to

3482
02:02:14,796 --> 02:02:18,533
that area. And we and we can

3483
02:02:18,533 --> 02:02:22,133
even draft it even tighter. And

3484
02:02:22,270 --> 02:02:25,473
defining adjacency to that to I

3485
02:02:25,473 --> 02:02:28,750
think that that would. Help.

3486
02:02:28,750 --> 02:02:29,210
Okay. As opposed to amending

3487
02:02:29,210 --> 02:02:32,210
the development order, which is

3488
02:02:32,379 --> 02:02:34,148
another way to do this. I mean,

3489
02:02:34,148 --> 02:02:35,516
I'm in full support to, to to

3490
02:02:35,516 --> 02:02:37,418
do whatever we need to do to

3491
02:02:37,418 --> 02:02:38,385
make the institution feel like

3492
02:02:38,385 --> 02:02:40,221
they're part of the community.

3493
02:02:40,221 --> 02:02:41,822
So whatever we need to do that

3494
02:02:41,822 --> 02:02:43,157
to make it happen, I'm

3495
02:02:43,157 --> 02:02:44,325
supportive. I just want to make

3496
02:02:44,325 --> 02:02:45,292
sure we're not opening up

3497
02:02:45,292 --> 02:02:46,293
Pandora's Box and causing

3498
02:02:46,293 --> 02:02:48,696
another open up Pandora's box.

3499
02:02:48,696 --> 02:02:49,897
Yeah, let me work with Council

3500
02:02:49,897 --> 02:02:50,598
Member stoner and come back in

3501
02:02:50,598 --> 02:02:52,333
narrowing the geographic area a

3502
02:02:52,333 --> 02:02:54,368
little bit for you, and then we

3503
02:02:54,368 --> 02:02:55,669
can come back on second reading

3504
02:02:55,669 --> 02:02:57,338
and see if you guys think that

3505
02:02:57,338 --> 02:02:59,140
that's. And will you please,

3506
02:02:59,140 --> 02:03:01,375
please think a little deeper

3507
02:03:01,375 --> 02:03:04,375
about the implications? I will

3508
02:03:04,378 --> 02:03:05,345
I will study it to make sure

3509
02:03:05,345 --> 02:03:08,345
that we're not getting tripped

3510
02:03:08,682 --> 02:03:10,250
up there and ironclad on the

3511
02:03:10,250 --> 02:03:12,553
comp plan. Well, I can tell you

3512
02:03:12,553 --> 02:03:13,954
that the comp plan for single

3513
02:03:13,954 --> 02:03:15,954
family residential includes

3514
02:03:16,824 --> 02:03:18,824
religious facilities to.

3515
02:03:19,393 --> 02:03:20,661
They're an allowed use in the.

3516
02:03:20,661 --> 02:03:22,863
They are an allowed use. But

3517
02:03:22,863 --> 02:03:24,265
we're back to compatibility

3518
02:03:24,265 --> 02:03:25,165
correct. So it MAY not be

3519
02:03:25,165 --> 02:03:26,400
permitted everywhere I

3520
02:03:26,400 --> 02:03:28,502
understand that. But just so

3521
02:03:28,502 --> 02:03:29,870
you knew that that it is

3522
02:03:29,870 --> 02:03:31,272
allowed as a permitted use in

3523
02:03:31,272 --> 02:03:33,730
the future land use category

3524
02:03:33,730 --> 02:03:35,376
for the single family district.

3525
02:03:35,376 --> 02:03:37,544
So but we'll Jeremy's looked at

3526
02:03:37,544 --> 02:03:40,648
the comp plan issue. We'll look

3527
02:03:40,648 --> 02:03:41,749
at it again. I mean obviously

3528
02:03:41,749 --> 02:03:42,383
our elders, our land

3529
02:03:42,383 --> 02:03:44,783
development regulations have to

3530
02:03:45,553 --> 02:03:46,120
be consistent with our comp

3531
02:03:46,120 --> 02:03:48,722
plan. So we'll we'll ensure

3532
02:03:48,722 --> 02:03:50,791
just comp comp plan. Can you

3533
02:03:50,791 --> 02:03:52,226
give a definition Chad. What

3534
02:03:52,226 --> 02:03:54,395
comp plan? The definition. I'm

3535
02:03:54,395 --> 02:03:55,863
sorry, are you both hold on one

3536
02:03:55,863 --> 02:03:57,598
second. The development the

3537
02:03:57,598 --> 02:03:59,267
comprehensive development plan

3538
02:03:59,267 --> 02:04:02,370
that's in place. Say it again

3539
02:04:02,370 --> 02:04:04,339
I'm sorry. The comp plan. So

3540
02:04:04,339 --> 02:04:05,539
the comprehensive plan is our

3541
02:04:05,539 --> 02:04:07,608
growth management plan. It's

3542
02:04:07,608 --> 02:04:08,976
mandated under Florida law,

3543
02:04:08,976 --> 02:04:11,779
which is our constitution for

3544
02:04:11,779 --> 02:04:13,514
land use planning. The zoning

3545
02:04:13,514 --> 02:04:16,514
code implements the comp plan.

3546
02:04:16,917 --> 02:04:18,185
So each property has a

3547
02:04:18,185 --> 02:04:20,185
comprehensive plan designation

3548
02:04:20,454 --> 02:04:22,356
and each plan is comprehensive

3549
02:04:22,356 --> 02:04:23,324
plan. Yes. Yes. I was just

3550
02:04:23,324 --> 02:04:25,660
looking for the comprehensive

3551
02:04:25,660 --> 02:04:28,600
plan, and I'm sorry,

3552
02:04:28,662 --> 02:04:29,497
Councilmember, you had a thanks.

3553
02:04:29,497 --> 02:04:31,897
Thanks. Yes. The Galleria

3554
02:04:33,200 --> 02:04:34,502
shopping center. Jeremy, I'm

3555
02:04:34,502 --> 02:04:37,538
sorry. I had a quick question.

3556
02:04:37,538 --> 02:04:39,740
Did you had mentioned using the

3557
02:04:39,740 --> 02:04:41,740
word contiguous, meaning

3558
02:04:42,343 --> 02:04:43,477
clusters of worship, and we're

3559
02:04:43,477 --> 02:04:45,413
getting rid of that. We're

3560
02:04:45,413 --> 02:04:46,280
getting rid of contiguous. Like

3561
02:04:46,280 --> 02:04:47,381
we'll need to define contiguous

3562
02:04:47,381 --> 02:04:49,216
as attached. Well no, but we'll

3563
02:04:49,216 --> 02:04:50,717
need to define the term no but

3564
02:04:50,717 --> 02:04:51,419
okay. So I don't mean

3565
02:04:51,419 --> 02:04:53,688
necessarily contiguous from the

3566
02:04:53,688 --> 02:04:56,688
standpoint of attached but but

3567
02:04:56,790 --> 02:04:59,160
by defining an area of worship,

3568
02:04:59,160 --> 02:05:02,160
not necessarily one house after

3569
02:05:02,329 --> 02:05:05,399
the next 1 or 1, but more from

3570
02:05:05,399 --> 02:05:06,401
I mean, it's part of the

3571
02:05:06,401 --> 02:05:08,236
fundamental layout of the

3572
02:05:08,236 --> 02:05:10,710
village of Key Biscayne that it

3573
02:05:10,710 --> 02:05:11,405
has a clearly defined

3574
02:05:11,405 --> 02:05:13,173
commercial district. The

3575
02:05:13,173 --> 02:05:15,476
churches are clustered in a

3576
02:05:15,476 --> 02:05:17,245
particular way. That was way

3577
02:05:17,245 --> 02:05:19,346
the way, you know, the Mackle

3578
02:05:19,346 --> 02:05:21,248
brothers laid it out initially.

3579
02:05:21,248 --> 02:05:23,584
They preserve those large lots

3580
02:05:23,584 --> 02:05:25,584
for religious institutions,

3581
02:05:28,322 --> 02:05:31,322
right? Yes. Same. Okay. Okay.

3582
02:05:31,659 --> 02:05:33,695
My friend, I guess we weren't

3583
02:05:33,695 --> 02:05:36,264
able to put these two together,

3584
02:05:36,264 --> 02:05:38,198
right? So and so should we vote

3585
02:05:38,198 --> 02:05:42,398
on this one? Yeah. Go ahead on

3586
02:05:43,337 --> 02:05:45,706
90 as amended. Mayor Roscoe.

3587
02:05:45,706 --> 02:05:47,441
Yes. Councilmember Bracken. Yes.

3588
02:05:47,441 --> 02:05:48,709
Councilmember Kaplan. Yes.

3589
02:05:48,709 --> 02:05:50,709
Councilmember. London. Yes.

3590
02:05:51,678 --> 02:05:52,546
Vice mayor Sardinia's. Yes.

3591
02:05:52,546 --> 02:05:54,281
Councilmember. Stoner. Yes.

3592
02:05:54,281 --> 02:05:56,281
Councilmember. Vasquez. Yes.

3593
02:05:56,583 --> 02:05:59,583
The ordinance is approved on

3594
02:06:01,723 --> 02:06:03,424
first reading. The next item is

3595
02:06:03,424 --> 02:06:04,558
nine f an ordinance on first

3596
02:06:04,558 --> 02:06:06,127
reading an ordinance of the

3597
02:06:06,127 --> 02:06:07,427
Village of Key Biscayne,

3598
02:06:07,427 --> 02:06:09,263
Florida. Rezoning the property

3599
02:06:09,263 --> 02:06:11,663
located located at 101 Harbor

3600
02:06:12,533 --> 02:06:14,933
Drive. Property folio number

3601
02:06:17,671 --> 02:06:18,839
2442 32 0060230 from the

3602
02:06:18,839 --> 02:06:21,208
village residential district to

3603
02:06:21,208 --> 02:06:23,377
the institutional I district,

3604
02:06:23,377 --> 02:06:25,120
providing for severability,

3605
02:06:25,120 --> 02:06:26,213
providing for conflicts, and

3606
02:06:26,213 --> 02:06:29,183
providing for an effective date.

3607
02:06:29,183 --> 02:06:31,285
So moved mayor. This is a quasi

3608
02:06:31,285 --> 02:06:33,220
judicial hearing technically,

3609
02:06:33,220 --> 02:06:34,455
so we should open up the public

3610
02:06:34,455 --> 02:06:36,623
hearing. If anybody wants to

3611
02:06:36,623 --> 02:06:38,626
speak, they'd have to be sworn

3612
02:06:38,626 --> 02:06:40,327
in. Do we need a second? Yeah,

3613
02:06:40,327 --> 02:06:43,231
somebody needs to. Is there a

3614
02:06:43,231 --> 02:06:46,231
second? Wait. I'm sorry. One

3615
02:06:46,968 --> 02:06:49,368
second. Councilmember Kaplan in

3616
02:06:50,338 --> 02:06:51,205
London already moved the item.

3617
02:06:51,205 --> 02:06:54,205
Okay. Please stand and raise

3618
02:06:55,342 --> 02:06:57,878
your right hand. Who's that?

3619
02:06:57,878 --> 02:07:00,800
Would that be? Probably only

3620
02:07:00,800 --> 02:07:02,416
Jeremy. Jeremy? Oh, yes. Thank

3621
02:07:02,416 --> 02:07:04,118
you. Sorry. Do you swear and

3622
02:07:04,118 --> 02:07:06,253
affirm that the testimony you

3623
02:07:06,253 --> 02:07:08,388
give this evening is the truth?

3624
02:07:08,388 --> 02:07:10,357
Yes. Thank you. Probably should

3625
02:07:10,357 --> 02:07:12,693
have put his hand on a Bible.

3626
02:07:12,693 --> 02:07:14,528
And then, for the record, I

3627
02:07:14,528 --> 02:07:15,229
think, mayor, if you want to

3628
02:07:15,229 --> 02:07:16,464
call the public hearing, I

3629
02:07:16,464 --> 02:07:18,566
don't see anybody. And then we

3630
02:07:18,566 --> 02:07:22,300
can open and close it. Call.

3631
02:07:22,300 --> 02:07:25,603
Public hearing is now open on

3632
02:07:25,706 --> 02:07:28,342
9e9f9f only nine f seeing no

3633
02:07:28,342 --> 02:07:30,742
one come forward. Public

3634
02:07:32,446 --> 02:07:35,446
hearing is now closed. Okay.

3635
02:07:36,416 --> 02:07:40,616
Okay. So this is this is the

3636
02:07:41,422 --> 02:07:44,422
ordinance to change to rezone

3637
02:07:44,992 --> 02:07:47,992
the location where the Chabad

3638
02:07:48,596 --> 02:07:51,232
is now to institutional. So

3639
02:07:51,232 --> 02:07:53,501
this is first reading. So

3640
02:07:53,501 --> 02:07:55,536
presumably this comes back on

3641
02:07:55,536 --> 02:07:57,204
second reading. And if we pass

3642
02:07:57,204 --> 02:07:59,306
the the prior ordinance then we

3643
02:07:59,306 --> 02:08:00,441
would pass this. If we don't

3644
02:08:00,441 --> 02:08:02,477
pass the prior ordinance then

3645
02:08:02,477 --> 02:08:04,144
we'll probably won't pass this.

3646
02:08:04,144 --> 02:08:05,245
If we don't pass the prior

3647
02:08:05,245 --> 02:08:08,215
ordinance, then this will not

3648
02:08:08,215 --> 02:08:09,783
be heard. Yes, on second

3649
02:08:09,783 --> 02:08:11,385
reading, I don't really know if

3650
02:08:11,385 --> 02:08:13,287
we need to have too much

3651
02:08:13,287 --> 02:08:15,489
discussion. Same caveats, but

3652
02:08:15,489 --> 02:08:17,358
the justification here, it

3653
02:08:17,358 --> 02:08:19,393
seems to me, is just completely

3654
02:08:19,393 --> 02:08:21,128
contrary to our history and

3655
02:08:21,128 --> 02:08:22,362
reality. This whole point was

3656
02:08:22,362 --> 02:08:24,799
to accommodate the Chabad, not

3657
02:08:24,799 --> 02:08:25,900
to encourage additional houses

3658
02:08:25,900 --> 02:08:28,900
of worship anywhere in the

3659
02:08:29,360 --> 02:08:31,138
island. That's just not right.

3660
02:08:31,138 --> 02:08:34,138
So that justification on page

3661
02:08:35,420 --> 02:08:37,278
one of the memo, in my opinion.

3662
02:08:37,278 --> 02:08:39,146
Well, I wish you would read the

3663
02:08:39,146 --> 02:08:39,747
order under which they're

3664
02:08:39,747 --> 02:08:41,349
functioning now, because you

3665
02:08:41,349 --> 02:08:43,750
might change your mind. I have

3666
02:08:43,750 --> 02:08:46,587
read it. It's been a long time.

3667
02:08:46,587 --> 02:08:50,187
Yeah. And I participated at the

3668
02:08:50,591 --> 02:08:52,590
time. I really encouraged that

3669
02:08:52,590 --> 02:08:54,595
council to approve that use.

3670
02:08:54,595 --> 02:08:56,396
There were there were many

3671
02:08:56,396 --> 02:08:58,399
points of controversy, one of

3672
02:08:58,399 --> 02:09:00,500
which was, you know, parking

3673
02:09:00,500 --> 02:09:02,369
and traffic, pointing out that

3674
02:09:02,369 --> 02:09:04,371
Orthodox people don't drive,

3675
02:09:04,371 --> 02:09:07,971
but that didn't really sway the

3676
02:09:08,375 --> 02:09:10,310
argument. No, didn't. I will

3677
02:09:10,310 --> 02:09:12,112
tell you that the next door

3678
02:09:12,112 --> 02:09:14,470
neighbor had a lot of

3679
02:09:14,470 --> 02:09:17,470
reservations about it at the

3680
02:09:17,451 --> 02:09:20,870
time. Yeah, but they are very

3681
02:09:20,870 --> 02:09:22,323
happy with their neighbor now.

3682
02:09:22,323 --> 02:09:24,458
Yeah, yeah. So I mean, if this

3683
02:09:24,458 --> 02:09:26,660
doesn't if this isn't the best

3684
02:09:26,660 --> 02:09:28,660
solution to actually

3685
02:09:28,763 --> 02:09:30,230
institutionalize that site

3686
02:09:30,230 --> 02:09:32,230
while preserving zoning

3687
02:09:32,567 --> 02:09:34,301
integrity elsewhere, including

3688
02:09:34,301 --> 02:09:36,737
Fernwood, I'm all about fixing

3689
02:09:36,737 --> 02:09:37,871
whatever the problems are

3690
02:09:37,871 --> 02:09:39,373
either way. But I think the

3691
02:09:39,373 --> 02:09:42,576
discussion that we just had on

3692
02:09:42,576 --> 02:09:44,244
the prior ordinance helps. Okay,

3693
02:09:44,244 --> 02:09:47,882
okay, let's see if we can bring

3694
02:09:47,882 --> 02:09:49,549
it home. Councilmember Bracken.

3695
02:09:49,549 --> 02:09:51,452
Councilmember Kaplan. Yes.

3696
02:09:51,452 --> 02:09:52,586
Councilmember. London. Yes.

3697
02:09:52,586 --> 02:09:54,321
Vice mayor Sardinia's. Yes.

3698
02:09:54,321 --> 02:09:55,256
Councilmember. Stoner. Yes.

3699
02:09:55,256 --> 02:09:57,256
Councilmember. Vasquez. Yes.

3700
02:09:58,693 --> 02:10:01,693
Mayor Roscoe. Yes is approved

3701
02:10:02,363 --> 02:10:05,363
on first reading. Okay, let's

3702
02:10:06,167 --> 02:10:08,335
have a conversation on nine g.

3703
02:10:08,335 --> 02:10:10,370
An ordinance on first reading,

3704
02:10:10,370 --> 02:10:11,305
an ordinance of the Village of

3705
02:10:11,305 --> 02:10:13,641
Key Biscayne, Florida, amending

3706
02:10:13,641 --> 02:10:15,209
chapter. Chapter 30, Zoning and

3707
02:10:15,209 --> 02:10:17,609
Land Development Regulations of

3708
02:10:17,911 --> 02:10:20,214
the village code of ordinances

3709
02:10:20,214 --> 02:10:21,849
by creating section 3062 to

3710
02:10:21,849 --> 02:10:24,849
establish an advisory board to

3711
02:10:24,852 --> 02:10:26,852
review regulatory variances.

3712
02:10:27,455 --> 02:10:29,455
Amending section 3063 variance

3713
02:10:30,724 --> 02:10:32,259
procedures and section 3066 and

3714
02:10:32,259 --> 02:10:34,259
regulatory variances relating

3715
02:10:34,361 --> 02:10:36,229
to the Advisory Board providing

3716
02:10:36,229 --> 02:10:38,629
for severability, providing for

3717
02:10:38,666 --> 02:10:41,666
conflicts, and providing for an

3718
02:10:42,236 --> 02:10:45,720
effective date so moved. Second.

3719
02:10:45,720 --> 02:10:46,373
Thank you. Okay, since I've

3720
02:10:46,373 --> 02:10:48,709
been the one year that I've

3721
02:10:48,709 --> 02:10:50,210
been serving on council, we've

3722
02:10:50,210 --> 02:10:53,210
had many variance requests come

3723
02:10:54,815 --> 02:10:58,415
before us. And in order to

3724
02:10:59,119 --> 02:11:01,119
understand the application,

3725
02:11:02,323 --> 02:11:04,723
it's extremely time consuming.

3726
02:11:10,764 --> 02:11:12,633
It's very technical. Even the

3727
02:11:12,633 --> 02:11:14,434
application is is technical.

3728
02:11:14,434 --> 02:11:18,340
And it has happened on occasion

3729
02:11:20,700 --> 02:11:21,508
that we've had applications

3730
02:11:21,508 --> 02:11:23,611
that are incomplete and it

3731
02:11:23,611 --> 02:11:24,245
comes before us. We don't even

3732
02:11:24,245 --> 02:11:26,645
realize they're incomplete. And

3733
02:11:27,114 --> 02:11:29,149
my my feeling is that if we

3734
02:11:29,149 --> 02:11:31,151
have a board of architects,

3735
02:11:31,151 --> 02:11:32,419
primarily architects and other

3736
02:11:32,419 --> 02:11:35,419
people familiar with the code

3737
02:11:36,560 --> 02:11:38,392
and in the in the land use

3738
02:11:38,392 --> 02:11:41,950
business, they could go over,

3739
02:11:41,950 --> 02:11:41,596
it would be an advisory board.

3740
02:11:41,596 --> 02:11:43,640
They could go over the

3741
02:11:43,640 --> 02:11:45,365
application. They could make

3742
02:11:45,365 --> 02:11:48,965
sure that it was complete, that

3743
02:11:49,360 --> 02:11:53,236
it would fit, that it that it

3744
02:11:55,309 --> 02:11:56,477
was. A a viable variance. We're

3745
02:11:56,477 --> 02:11:58,877
getting variances now just

3746
02:11:59,246 --> 02:12:00,581
because people want them.

3747
02:12:00,581 --> 02:12:02,850
There's not even a reason, this

3748
02:12:02,850 --> 02:12:03,417
one that we're going to look at

3749
02:12:03,417 --> 02:12:05,453
later tonight wants higher

3750
02:12:05,453 --> 02:12:08,188
ceilings. There's not even a

3751
02:12:08,188 --> 02:12:10,457
reason. It's ridiculous. We

3752
02:12:10,457 --> 02:12:12,159
have a code. We have a code.

3753
02:12:12,159 --> 02:12:15,759
And since I've been on council

3754
02:12:16,196 --> 02:12:18,365
we are having code by variance.

3755
02:12:18,365 --> 02:12:19,566
Everyone comes in for variance.

3756
02:12:19,566 --> 02:12:21,869
We have a code for a reason.

3757
02:12:21,869 --> 02:12:23,437
It's supposed. It's supposed to

3758
02:12:23,437 --> 02:12:25,372
establish rules that everyone

3759
02:12:25,372 --> 02:12:28,800
abides by. And if you want to

3760
02:12:28,800 --> 02:12:28,542
certain concessions, then you

3761
02:12:28,542 --> 02:12:30,177
have to make certain

3762
02:12:30,177 --> 02:12:31,445
concessions. And we're not

3763
02:12:31,445 --> 02:12:34,215
having that. And this, this

3764
02:12:34,215 --> 02:12:37,251
body is not taking the time or

3765
02:12:37,251 --> 02:12:39,153
having the capacity to do an

3766
02:12:39,153 --> 02:12:41,288
in-depth analysis of these

3767
02:12:41,288 --> 02:12:43,190
applications that come before

3768
02:12:43,190 --> 02:12:46,426
us and, and, and, and Jeremy

3769
02:12:46,426 --> 02:12:48,295
and his staff do a fine job,

3770
02:12:48,295 --> 02:12:50,364
but it's not fine enough in

3771
02:12:50,364 --> 02:12:52,266
terms of we need more eyes on

3772
02:12:52,266 --> 02:12:54,267
it. And I think that if we had

3773
02:12:54,267 --> 02:12:55,536
a board that would make

3774
02:12:55,536 --> 02:12:57,438
recommendations to us, we could

3775
02:12:57,438 --> 02:12:59,806
take that under consideration.

3776
02:12:59,806 --> 02:13:01,108
As well as Jeremy's

3777
02:13:01,108 --> 02:13:03,108
department's recommendations.

3778
02:13:03,444 --> 02:13:05,179
You will see, as we consider

3779
02:13:05,179 --> 02:13:07,214
later on tonight, the variance

3780
02:13:07,214 --> 02:13:09,214
request, that Jeremy's

3781
02:13:09,650 --> 02:13:11,252
interpretation is far different,

3782
02:13:11,252 --> 02:13:12,319
and his recommendation is

3783
02:13:12,319 --> 02:13:14,719
diametrically opposed to what

3784
02:13:16,690 --> 02:13:19,927
the Zork and those were all

3785
02:13:19,927 --> 02:13:21,461
most all architects were their

3786
02:13:21,461 --> 02:13:23,230
recommendation on those same

3787
02:13:23,230 --> 02:13:25,999
those same applications. So I

3788
02:13:25,999 --> 02:13:28,568
think we need help on this. And

3789
02:13:28,568 --> 02:13:30,804
I think more information and

3790
02:13:30,804 --> 02:13:33,804
more full information is better.

3791
02:13:34,641 --> 02:13:36,877
So what are you suggesting I'm

3792
02:13:36,877 --> 02:13:39,277
suggesting I'm suggesting that

3793
02:13:40,347 --> 02:13:43,183
we have a an advisory board to

3794
02:13:43,183 --> 02:13:45,183
review variance applications,

3795
02:13:46,253 --> 02:13:47,821
that they review applications,

3796
02:13:47,821 --> 02:13:50,221
that they make recommendations

3797
02:13:51,225 --> 02:13:53,427
and they either present to us,

3798
02:13:53,427 --> 02:13:55,495
along with Jeremy and his

3799
02:13:55,495 --> 02:13:57,498
department or they present.

3800
02:13:57,498 --> 02:13:59,660
They give it to Jeremy, and

3801
02:13:59,660 --> 02:14:01,235
Jeremy presents it to us.

3802
02:14:01,235 --> 02:14:02,969
Question. Question. Go ahead.

3803
02:14:02,969 --> 02:14:04,271
Wait wait wait. Go. Go ahead.

3804
02:14:04,271 --> 02:14:06,406
Mike. So how do we avoid

3805
02:14:06,406 --> 02:14:08,142
conflict of interest when we

3806
02:14:08,142 --> 02:14:10,277
have architects that are they

3807
02:14:10,277 --> 02:14:12,213
recuse? Just like we recuse? No,

3808
02:14:12,213 --> 02:14:14,247
just hear me out. So if we have

3809
02:14:14,247 --> 02:14:15,950
architects that are on the

3810
02:14:15,950 --> 02:14:17,183
board, but they're also

3811
02:14:17,183 --> 02:14:19,320
employed to do work on the

3812
02:14:19,320 --> 02:14:21,288
island they're in, how are we

3813
02:14:21,288 --> 02:14:22,323
going to get people to do this?

3814
02:14:22,323 --> 02:14:24,358
Because, you know, if we ask

3815
02:14:24,358 --> 02:14:26,159
them, just for example, let's

3816
02:14:26,159 --> 02:14:27,661
say we asked Tom Weber to be on

3817
02:14:27,661 --> 02:14:29,363
the board. He's doing a he's

3818
02:14:29,363 --> 02:14:30,531
doing a project on the island.

3819
02:14:30,531 --> 02:14:32,165
How how. So he would have to

3820
02:14:32,165 --> 02:14:33,567
recuse himself on every time he

3821
02:14:33,567 --> 02:14:35,168
would be looking at his own

3822
02:14:35,168 --> 02:14:36,269
property. Yes, absolutely. Just

3823
02:14:36,269 --> 02:14:37,370
like when I was sitting on

3824
02:14:37,370 --> 02:14:39,600
magistrates, people who my firm

3825
02:14:39,600 --> 02:14:40,241
represent came before special

3826
02:14:40,241 --> 02:14:42,443
magistrate and I had to recuse.

3827
02:14:42,443 --> 02:14:44,111
Just like you have to recuse

3828
02:14:44,111 --> 02:14:46,247
when when Martin when Martin's

3829
02:14:46,247 --> 02:14:48,415
development comes. Question. So

3830
02:14:48,415 --> 02:14:49,383
even if it's not their own

3831
02:14:49,383 --> 02:14:51,383
development, which that's

3832
02:14:51,418 --> 02:14:53,153
obvious to recuse, what if

3833
02:14:53,153 --> 02:14:54,688
they're it's a completely

3834
02:14:54,688 --> 02:14:55,589
different development they're

3835
02:14:55,589 --> 02:14:57,224
working on, but they're working

3836
02:14:57,224 --> 02:14:58,325
on this variance that they

3837
02:14:58,325 --> 02:14:59,860
foresee. They might set a

3838
02:14:59,860 --> 02:15:01,328
precedent here that might allow

3839
02:15:01,328 --> 02:15:02,829
him to get a precedent on his

3840
02:15:02,829 --> 02:15:05,229
development. So they're working

3841
02:15:05,966 --> 02:15:07,300
with the code. No, no. Okay. So

3842
02:15:07,300 --> 02:15:10,404
I'm on the board. I'm going to

3843
02:15:10,404 --> 02:15:12,239
recommend this variance because

3844
02:15:12,239 --> 02:15:13,474
at some future point in time, I

3845
02:15:13,474 --> 02:15:15,760
might be working on another

3846
02:15:15,760 --> 02:15:16,610
project that might request that

3847
02:15:16,610 --> 02:15:17,578
same variance. And I could use

3848
02:15:17,578 --> 02:15:20,113
this variance as PRESIDENT On

3849
02:15:20,113 --> 02:15:21,450
why to get that variance. Well,

3850
02:15:21,450 --> 02:15:24,551
I'm just saying I mean, that's

3851
02:15:24,551 --> 02:15:27,554
going kind of deep. But why,

3852
02:15:27,554 --> 02:15:29,623
why, why create that? The other

3853
02:15:29,623 --> 02:15:31,325
part is when we talk about

3854
02:15:31,325 --> 02:15:33,590
variances, and we had a

3855
02:15:33,590 --> 02:15:34,328
discussion and I was thinking

3856
02:15:34,328 --> 02:15:35,496
about this particular variance

3857
02:15:35,496 --> 02:15:37,498
that you brought up that we're

3858
02:15:37,498 --> 02:15:39,600
going to see today. And part of

3859
02:15:39,600 --> 02:15:40,533
the criteria of how we look at

3860
02:15:40,533 --> 02:15:42,569
these variances is not a

3861
02:15:42,569 --> 02:15:43,570
requirement for hardship.

3862
02:15:43,570 --> 02:15:45,239
That's that's what I want. And

3863
02:15:45,239 --> 02:15:46,707
so maybe we just change that.

3864
02:15:46,707 --> 02:15:49,242
Let me tell you about that. And

3865
02:15:49,242 --> 02:15:51,612
if we change to add that

3866
02:15:51,612 --> 02:15:54,315
criteria to say, hey, if there

3867
02:15:54,315 --> 02:15:55,482
is no hardship, if you can't

3868
02:15:55,482 --> 02:15:57,350
prove any type of hardship,

3869
02:15:57,350 --> 02:16:00,950
this isn't even getting to the

3870
02:16:01,789 --> 02:16:03,324
next step. If I can just before

3871
02:16:03,324 --> 02:16:05,192
it's just subjective. No, no,

3872
02:16:05,192 --> 02:16:06,493
we can have the discussion, I

3873
02:16:06,493 --> 02:16:08,950
just but let's just refrain

3874
02:16:08,950 --> 02:16:09,563
from speaking about the

3875
02:16:09,563 --> 02:16:11,650
variance items we're hearing

3876
02:16:11,650 --> 02:16:12,533
later on tonight. The stage is

3877
02:16:12,533 --> 02:16:14,334
out of general high level,

3878
02:16:14,334 --> 02:16:16,436
please. Thank you. As far as

3879
02:16:16,436 --> 02:16:17,471
first of all, as far as this

3880
02:16:17,471 --> 02:16:18,371
hardship discussion is

3881
02:16:18,371 --> 02:16:20,841
concerned, it's I understand it.

3882
02:16:20,841 --> 02:16:22,175
I think it's a great idea

3883
02:16:22,175 --> 02:16:24,478
theoretically, but under sb 180,

3884
02:16:24,478 --> 02:16:26,146
I don't think we can even add

3885
02:16:26,146 --> 02:16:29,146
that right now. Number one.

3886
02:16:30,384 --> 02:16:32,386
Number two, our own section

3887
02:16:32,386 --> 02:16:34,786
1048 conditions for issuance of

3888
02:16:34,988 --> 02:16:37,900
a variance. Subsection one

3889
02:16:37,900 --> 02:16:38,792
submission by the applicant of

3890
02:16:38,792 --> 02:16:40,594
a showing of good and

3891
02:16:40,594 --> 02:16:42,429
sufficient cause that the

3892
02:16:42,429 --> 02:16:44,665
unique characteristics of the

3893
02:16:44,665 --> 02:16:46,133
size, configuration or

3894
02:16:46,133 --> 02:16:48,368
topography of the site limit

3895
02:16:48,368 --> 02:16:49,670
compliance with the provision.

3896
02:16:49,670 --> 02:16:50,371
That's hardship, that's

3897
02:16:50,371 --> 02:16:52,472
hardship. That's what that

3898
02:16:52,472 --> 02:16:55,472
means. But not but doesn't

3899
02:16:55,943 --> 02:16:57,678
cover all hardships. This is

3900
02:16:57,678 --> 02:16:59,446
saying that the code, the

3901
02:16:59,446 --> 02:17:00,848
reason for this is we have a

3902
02:17:00,848 --> 02:17:02,383
code that in general applies to

3903
02:17:02,383 --> 02:17:04,518
everybody. And there are

3904
02:17:04,518 --> 02:17:06,653
circumstances that are unique

3905
02:17:06,653 --> 02:17:08,322
to a property where the code.

3906
02:17:08,322 --> 02:17:10,390
Okay, but what if what if that

3907
02:17:10,390 --> 02:17:11,592
property is not just just add

3908
02:17:11,592 --> 02:17:12,993
one clarification?

3909
02:17:12,993 --> 02:17:15,393
Councilmember stoner, I believe

3910
02:17:15,662 --> 02:17:18,620
you referenced chapter ten.

3911
02:17:18,164 --> 02:17:20,367
That's actually relating to

3912
02:17:20,367 --> 02:17:21,368
variances underneath the

3913
02:17:21,368 --> 02:17:23,368
National Flood Insurance

3914
02:17:23,570 --> 02:17:25,506
program. Right? Okay. Which is

3915
02:17:25,506 --> 02:17:27,207
different than chapter 30. So

3916
02:17:27,207 --> 02:17:28,475
those are flood variances,

3917
02:17:28,475 --> 02:17:30,544
which are that's the standard

3918
02:17:30,544 --> 02:17:32,379
under federal law that that we

3919
02:17:32,379 --> 02:17:34,381
adopt. So I was confused

3920
02:17:34,381 --> 02:17:35,382
because I looked and I and I

3921
02:17:35,382 --> 02:17:37,317
wasn't sure maybe let's go back

3922
02:17:37,317 --> 02:17:38,986
to the original one. So we

3923
02:17:38,986 --> 02:17:39,519
don't talk about the other

3924
02:17:39,519 --> 02:17:41,889
variants. Just this whole

3925
02:17:41,889 --> 02:17:42,789
thought of recusing and how do

3926
02:17:42,789 --> 02:17:44,910
we find people in this

3927
02:17:44,910 --> 02:17:46,326
community that effectively will

3928
02:17:46,326 --> 02:17:47,194
never work in this community,

3929
02:17:47,194 --> 02:17:48,662
because otherwise they MAY have

3930
02:17:48,662 --> 02:17:49,797
to recuse themselves on some

3931
02:17:49,797 --> 02:17:50,564
level or another. Well,

3932
02:17:50,564 --> 02:17:53,300
someone's not going to someone

3933
02:17:53,300 --> 02:17:56,900
would not not hire an architect

3934
02:17:57,300 --> 02:17:58,238
because they serve on the board.

3935
02:17:58,238 --> 02:18:00,407
No, but the archetype would

3936
02:18:00,407 --> 02:18:01,608
have to recuse himself. Right.

3937
02:18:01,608 --> 02:18:03,310
But we have we have more than

3938
02:18:03,310 --> 02:18:05,245
five architects on this on this

3939
02:18:05,245 --> 02:18:07,781
island. We have a lot of

3940
02:18:07,781 --> 02:18:09,816
architects, Nancy. And it's not

3941
02:18:09,816 --> 02:18:11,718
only architects. A couple of

3942
02:18:11,718 --> 02:18:14,287
things right now, Jeremy has

3943
02:18:14,287 --> 02:18:16,357
criteria and he analyzes each

3944
02:18:16,357 --> 02:18:18,659
criteria. He gives us analysis.

3945
02:18:18,659 --> 02:18:21,628
We can agree or disagree with

3946
02:18:21,628 --> 02:18:22,462
his analysis. Are you saying we

3947
02:18:22,462 --> 02:18:24,640
should have different criteria

3948
02:18:24,640 --> 02:18:25,432
than Jeremy has for the

3949
02:18:25,432 --> 02:18:27,868
advisory board? No, I'm not

3950
02:18:27,868 --> 02:18:29,536
saying we should have different

3951
02:18:29,536 --> 02:18:30,437
criteria. Yes. So they're going

3952
02:18:30,437 --> 02:18:32,406
to basically see if they agree

3953
02:18:32,406 --> 02:18:34,107
with Jeremy's analysis. They're

3954
02:18:34,107 --> 02:18:35,175
going to do it their own

3955
02:18:35,175 --> 02:18:37,177
analysis. So basically see if

3956
02:18:37,177 --> 02:18:38,578
they agree or disagree. They

3957
02:18:38,578 --> 02:18:40,914
disagree. They'll tell based on

3958
02:18:40,914 --> 02:18:43,830
the exact same criteria. Right.

3959
02:18:43,830 --> 02:18:45,586
That's what. So so then and the

3960
02:18:45,586 --> 02:18:46,253
basis of everything is our our

3961
02:18:46,253 --> 02:18:49,253
chapter 30 whatever the hell it

3962
02:18:49,323 --> 02:18:51,492
is. Okay. Our code. Now the

3963
02:18:51,492 --> 02:18:52,559
next thing you want to say why

3964
02:18:52,559 --> 02:18:55,262
I'm against your thing. Because

3965
02:18:55,262 --> 02:18:56,697
you want architects to do this.

3966
02:18:56,697 --> 02:18:59,697
And my experience at this

3967
02:19:00,367 --> 02:19:02,767
village in 2013, I proposed

3968
02:19:04,104 --> 02:19:06,440
that the bfe was ten feet and I

3969
02:19:06,440 --> 02:19:09,443
said we should raise the Bfv or

3970
02:19:09,443 --> 02:19:10,410
permit to be raised because we

3971
02:19:10,410 --> 02:19:13,800
didn't even permit to build at

3972
02:19:13,800 --> 02:19:16,800
a higher bfe without penalizing

3973
02:19:16,316 --> 02:19:17,784
10% of the F.A.R. And the

3974
02:19:17,784 --> 02:19:20,184
village architects all came

3975
02:19:20,420 --> 02:19:21,455
here and they said the village

3976
02:19:21,455 --> 02:19:22,856
would look terrible. We don't

3977
02:19:22,856 --> 02:19:24,291
like the architecture. It's not

3978
02:19:24,291 --> 02:19:26,426
going to be. We don't really

3979
02:19:26,426 --> 02:19:27,627
care. It doesn't matter, I said.

3980
02:19:27,627 --> 02:19:28,395
But you really caring about the

3981
02:19:28,395 --> 02:19:30,395
sustainability and resilience

3982
02:19:30,697 --> 02:19:31,798
and then, you know, but it's

3983
02:19:31,798 --> 02:19:34,501
more important you can't raise

3984
02:19:34,501 --> 02:19:35,636
it. So basically they went

3985
02:19:35,636 --> 02:19:37,304
along with the architects and

3986
02:19:37,304 --> 02:19:40,474
you know what happened. We now

3987
02:19:40,474 --> 02:19:42,542
have bfe plus one. So everybody

3988
02:19:42,542 --> 02:19:44,677
at that point in time now

3989
02:19:44,677 --> 02:19:46,447
because those architects. So

3990
02:19:46,447 --> 02:19:48,315
architects are artists. Excuse

3991
02:19:48,315 --> 02:19:49,616
me. Architects are artists.

3992
02:19:49,616 --> 02:19:51,285
Yeah okay. They're not

3993
02:19:51,285 --> 02:19:53,285
technicians. They're not

3994
02:19:53,621 --> 02:19:55,555
lawyers. I have no problem with

3995
02:19:55,555 --> 02:19:56,690
your thing. As long as it does

3996
02:19:56,690 --> 02:19:58,525
not involve architects. The

3997
02:19:58,525 --> 02:20:00,361
mayor appoints people, whoever

3998
02:20:00,361 --> 02:20:02,496
he thinks is qualified. We

3999
02:20:02,496 --> 02:20:03,630
agree or we disagree with those

4000
02:20:03,630 --> 02:20:05,232
people. And that's it. They

4001
02:20:05,232 --> 02:20:06,333
might be an architect. It might

4002
02:20:06,333 --> 02:20:08,535
be a contractor. They might

4003
02:20:08,535 --> 02:20:09,570
just be an attorney. They might

4004
02:20:09,570 --> 02:20:11,405
be an intelligent individual

4005
02:20:11,405 --> 02:20:13,707
who knows how to read. Okay,

4006
02:20:13,707 --> 02:20:15,375
anybody, but not limited to

4007
02:20:15,375 --> 02:20:16,309
architects. If he has an

4008
02:20:16,309 --> 02:20:18,145
architect, fine. That's all.

4009
02:20:18,145 --> 02:20:19,646
Which takes care of your

4010
02:20:19,646 --> 02:20:21,282
problem, Oscar, with appointing

4011
02:20:21,282 --> 02:20:22,416
architects, you might have a

4012
02:20:22,416 --> 02:20:24,317
conflict if you're a developer

4013
02:20:24,317 --> 02:20:26,120
or fear whatever. There's a lot

4014
02:20:26,120 --> 02:20:27,420
of other people you and I both

4015
02:20:27,420 --> 02:20:30,390
know that. Look, reading these

4016
02:20:30,390 --> 02:20:31,892
plans, you need, you need. Not

4017
02:20:31,892 --> 02:20:32,625
everyone has to be an architect,

4018
02:20:32,625 --> 02:20:34,261
but you need technically, what

4019
02:20:34,261 --> 02:20:36,530
I was thinking when you brought

4020
02:20:36,530 --> 02:20:37,497
this up is is this similar to

4021
02:20:37,497 --> 02:20:39,650
like, a site site plan review,

4022
02:20:39,650 --> 02:20:40,334
which we talked about and I

4023
02:20:40,334 --> 02:20:42,702
think when Brett was on on

4024
02:20:42,702 --> 02:20:44,104
council as well, he spoke about

4025
02:20:44,104 --> 02:20:47,740
the need for this and I didn't

4026
02:20:47,740 --> 02:20:48,508
know how that would look. But I

4027
02:20:48,508 --> 02:20:50,944
see something brewing here. But

4028
02:20:50,944 --> 02:20:51,445
I want to be really careful

4029
02:20:51,445 --> 02:20:53,800
that just it's not just

4030
02:20:53,800 --> 02:20:55,215
architects, it could be a gc

4031
02:20:55,215 --> 02:20:57,840
too. But also yeah, that also

4032
02:20:57,840 --> 02:20:58,384
has some interest in

4033
02:20:58,384 --> 02:21:00,521
constructing here at one point

4034
02:21:00,521 --> 02:21:02,155
and now sees an opportunity to

4035
02:21:02,155 --> 02:21:03,390
create a very dangerous

4036
02:21:03,390 --> 02:21:05,458
precedent that he could later

4037
02:21:05,458 --> 02:21:06,293
use at a time. And I'm not

4038
02:21:06,293 --> 02:21:08,461
saying people are going to do

4039
02:21:08,461 --> 02:21:09,963
that, but it could happen. But

4040
02:21:09,963 --> 02:21:12,963
the point is, they're supposed

4041
02:21:13,567 --> 02:21:14,534
to be. But isn't that checking

4042
02:21:14,534 --> 02:21:16,570
against the code? I understand

4043
02:21:16,570 --> 02:21:18,970
checking against the code.

4044
02:21:19,390 --> 02:21:20,274
They're not making policy.

4045
02:21:20,274 --> 02:21:22,476
They're checking against the

4046
02:21:22,476 --> 02:21:24,780
code. They should be doing what

4047
02:21:24,780 --> 02:21:25,311
Jeremy and his staff are doing.

4048
02:21:25,311 --> 02:21:27,614
But this but this is more us.

4049
02:21:27,614 --> 02:21:28,782
Isn't the issue really that

4050
02:21:28,782 --> 02:21:30,583
we're not? That the people are

4051
02:21:30,583 --> 02:21:31,718
coming before us and they're

4052
02:21:31,718 --> 02:21:34,718
not showing any hardship. Okay,

4053
02:21:35,455 --> 02:21:37,590
so so no, that's not this issue.

4054
02:21:37,590 --> 02:21:40,794
But to me, okay. Well by the

4055
02:21:40,794 --> 02:21:42,128
same token, if we know that

4056
02:21:42,128 --> 02:21:44,731
we're going to raise the bfr,

4057
02:21:44,731 --> 02:21:45,632
more than likely the bfr, like

4058
02:21:45,632 --> 02:21:47,534
we're talking about, even our

4059
02:21:47,534 --> 02:21:49,302
drainage program, we say as

4060
02:21:49,302 --> 02:21:50,670
soon to be if is going to be

4061
02:21:50,670 --> 02:21:52,372
bfr plus three, right. Because

4062
02:21:52,372 --> 02:21:55,342
our engineers and yet we're

4063
02:21:55,342 --> 02:21:56,309
saying Vaf plus one right now.

4064
02:21:56,309 --> 02:21:58,645
And someone comes to the plan

4065
02:21:58,645 --> 02:21:59,613
now that's b plus two for

4066
02:21:59,613 --> 02:22:01,247
argument's sake. That doesn't

4067
02:22:01,247 --> 02:22:03,583
comply with it doesn't comply

4068
02:22:03,583 --> 02:22:04,818
with our code. But we know

4069
02:22:04,818 --> 02:22:05,385
already that we're going to be

4070
02:22:05,385 --> 02:22:06,553
changing that because we're

4071
02:22:06,553 --> 02:22:08,953
already telling we're designing

4072
02:22:09,823 --> 02:22:11,124
something. We just did that

4073
02:22:11,124 --> 02:22:12,526
saying, I'm going to buy a sofa,

4074
02:22:12,526 --> 02:22:15,950
right? And you say to the

4075
02:22:15,950 --> 02:22:17,398
salesman, it's going to go on

4076
02:22:17,398 --> 02:22:18,298
sale in five months, so give me

4077
02:22:18,298 --> 02:22:21,367
the sale price. Now, we don't

4078
02:22:21,367 --> 02:22:23,770
know. We have a code now. We've

4079
02:22:23,770 --> 02:22:25,905
already told people that our

4080
02:22:25,905 --> 02:22:27,174
engineers to design our

4081
02:22:27,174 --> 02:22:28,441
stormwater based on an increase

4082
02:22:28,441 --> 02:22:30,443
in bfr. We haven't changed the

4083
02:22:30,443 --> 02:22:31,544
code. Okay, well, you see,

4084
02:22:31,544 --> 02:22:33,213
that's when cases like that

4085
02:22:33,213 --> 02:22:34,314
come is why you have variances.

4086
02:22:34,314 --> 02:22:35,548
Because people have to be

4087
02:22:35,548 --> 02:22:37,117
reasonable and say, you know

4088
02:22:37,117 --> 02:22:39,850
what, why would you have

4089
02:22:39,850 --> 02:22:40,220
somebody do something when you

4090
02:22:40,220 --> 02:22:41,955
know you're going to change it?

4091
02:22:41,955 --> 02:22:43,423
But we just did that. We just

4092
02:22:43,423 --> 02:22:45,725
did that for a house on I'm

4093
02:22:45,725 --> 02:22:46,860
just saying exactly. Not on

4094
02:22:46,860 --> 02:22:47,461
Harbor. I'm, I'm saying that's

4095
02:22:47,461 --> 02:22:49,861
why you have variances.

4096
02:22:50,129 --> 02:22:52,765
Everybody can't be variance. We

4097
02:22:52,765 --> 02:22:54,501
don't need a code because it's

4098
02:22:54,501 --> 02:22:57,337
code by variance. Come on. Okay,

4099
02:22:57,337 --> 02:22:59,172
Frank. I you've articulated a

4100
02:22:59,172 --> 02:23:01,341
problem. Yeah. There's no doubt

4101
02:23:01,341 --> 02:23:04,341
that that's a problem. Yeah.

4102
02:23:04,343 --> 02:23:07,343
The the process for correcting

4103
02:23:07,447 --> 02:23:09,149
the problem, in my opinion, is

4104
02:23:09,149 --> 02:23:11,318
not even in the neighborhood of

4105
02:23:11,318 --> 02:23:13,718
this interposing another board

4106
02:23:13,887 --> 02:23:16,287
and another layer of.

4107
02:23:17,524 --> 02:23:20,524
Bureaucracy vesting in a group

4108
02:23:21,361 --> 02:23:23,129
of people, a technical

4109
02:23:23,129 --> 02:23:25,632
responsibility. That is our job,

4110
02:23:25,632 --> 02:23:27,634
relying on that department,

4111
02:23:27,634 --> 02:23:30,300
which in my opinion needs to do

4112
02:23:30,300 --> 02:23:31,171
a better job. That's where the

4113
02:23:31,171 --> 02:23:34,771
big problem can start to be

4114
02:23:35,750 --> 02:23:37,578
fixed. If these memos are both

4115
02:23:37,578 --> 02:23:39,479
number one, discouraged in

4116
02:23:39,479 --> 02:23:41,879
inappropriate cases, and number

4117
02:23:42,882 --> 02:23:44,551
two, done better, inappropriate

4118
02:23:44,551 --> 02:23:46,419
cases. And if we had an

4119
02:23:46,419 --> 02:23:48,355
opportunity, say, for two

4120
02:23:48,355 --> 02:23:49,689
readings instead of one to deal

4121
02:23:49,689 --> 02:23:52,425
with these. So they're just not

4122
02:23:52,425 --> 02:23:54,728
coming at us out of left field.

4123
02:23:54,728 --> 02:23:57,630
So we have a process, time to

4124
02:23:57,630 --> 02:23:59,166
digest all the information,

4125
02:23:59,166 --> 02:24:01,566
recognizing that it is

4126
02:24:02,202 --> 02:24:05,138
technical in nature. And if we

4127
02:24:05,138 --> 02:24:08,138
were to maybe not necessarily

4128
02:24:08,141 --> 02:24:10,770
use the word hardship, but

4129
02:24:10,770 --> 02:24:12,178
think in terms of a real

4130
02:24:12,178 --> 02:24:13,780
justification that's rooted in

4131
02:24:13,780 --> 02:24:16,780
something more like the flood

4132
02:24:16,817 --> 02:24:19,817
language, a unique condition or

4133
02:24:19,820 --> 02:24:21,254
a circumstance that augurs for

4134
02:24:21,254 --> 02:24:22,255
an adjustment because it's

4135
02:24:22,255 --> 02:24:23,990
equitable and it's

4136
02:24:23,990 --> 02:24:25,258
inconsequential to the

4137
02:24:25,258 --> 02:24:27,326
neighbors, that'd be a better

4138
02:24:27,326 --> 02:24:29,163
standard than what we have now.

4139
02:24:29,163 --> 02:24:31,765
But even with what we have now,

4140
02:24:31,765 --> 02:24:33,366
I don't think we're bringing

4141
02:24:33,366 --> 02:24:35,366
these forward appropriately

4142
02:24:35,836 --> 02:24:38,710
because they're supposed to be.

4143
02:24:38,710 --> 02:24:40,140
The result is supposed to be

4144
02:24:40,140 --> 02:24:42,175
consistent with our regulations

4145
02:24:42,175 --> 02:24:45,175
and these variances that we've

4146
02:24:45,445 --> 02:24:48,115
been confronted with are simply

4147
02:24:48,115 --> 02:24:49,983
based on the fact that someone

4148
02:24:49,983 --> 02:24:51,451
doesn't want to comply with the

4149
02:24:51,451 --> 02:24:54,287
code as written. But we are

4150
02:24:54,287 --> 02:24:56,256
getting recommendations from

4151
02:24:56,256 --> 02:24:58,391
our staff to approve them. So

4152
02:24:58,391 --> 02:25:00,460
two parts to that. One is I

4153
02:25:00,460 --> 02:25:01,261
think staff needs to do a

4154
02:25:01,261 --> 02:25:03,696
better job in making sure

4155
02:25:03,696 --> 02:25:05,650
compliance and conditions are

4156
02:25:05,650 --> 02:25:08,665
all checked. All the boxes are

4157
02:25:08,802 --> 02:25:09,969
checked. Secondly, I agree with

4158
02:25:09,969 --> 02:25:11,371
some of these recommendations

4159
02:25:11,371 --> 02:25:13,440
without being specific about

4160
02:25:13,440 --> 02:25:15,575
which ones. Because of what I

4161
02:25:15,575 --> 02:25:17,844
just said. At the very least,

4162
02:25:17,844 --> 02:25:19,312
the result is supposed to be

4163
02:25:19,312 --> 02:25:21,180
consistent with the regulations.

4164
02:25:21,180 --> 02:25:22,482
Our regulations are very

4165
02:25:22,482 --> 02:25:24,518
specific about height and slope

4166
02:25:24,518 --> 02:25:27,721
and such, and thus to simply

4167
02:25:27,721 --> 02:25:30,124
not want to comply with it is

4168
02:25:30,124 --> 02:25:32,825
not a justification to me. Do

4169
02:25:32,825 --> 02:25:34,394
you think there is room to

4170
02:25:34,394 --> 02:25:35,461
adjust the criteria? Sure. To

4171
02:25:35,461 --> 02:25:37,730
help in that manner? I think

4172
02:25:37,730 --> 02:25:39,198
now you mentioned not use the

4173
02:25:39,198 --> 02:25:41,335
word hardship maybe. Well,

4174
02:25:41,335 --> 02:25:43,203
hardship would what would be

4175
02:25:43,203 --> 02:25:44,838
what would be language that I

4176
02:25:44,838 --> 02:25:46,439
think the language is

4177
02:25:46,439 --> 02:25:48,341
instructive. And the reason

4178
02:25:48,341 --> 02:25:51,378
that I'm a little bit shy about

4179
02:25:51,378 --> 02:25:53,346
hardship is because hardship is

4180
02:25:53,346 --> 02:25:56,346
so maybe impossible to really

4181
02:25:56,416 --> 02:25:59,416
prove it's objective. Bad, bad,

4182
02:25:59,986 --> 02:26:01,421
bad way to go. So if I could,

4183
02:26:01,421 --> 02:26:03,657
under general zoning law,

4184
02:26:03,657 --> 02:26:05,492
there's really three different

4185
02:26:05,492 --> 02:26:07,892
types of variances standards.

4186
02:26:08,328 --> 02:26:09,596
You have hardship which is the

4187
02:26:09,596 --> 02:26:11,397
most strenuous. You have

4188
02:26:11,397 --> 02:26:13,433
compatibility which is the most

4189
02:26:13,433 --> 02:26:13,933
flexible. And they have one

4190
02:26:13,933 --> 02:26:15,168
that's called practical

4191
02:26:15,168 --> 02:26:16,470
difficulties, which is like a

4192
02:26:16,470 --> 02:26:18,504
blend of the two, which is

4193
02:26:18,504 --> 02:26:19,305
similar to what you heard in

4194
02:26:19,305 --> 02:26:20,440
the flood criteria that

4195
02:26:20,440 --> 02:26:22,440
Councilmember Stoner was

4196
02:26:24,177 --> 02:26:26,379
mentioning. So. Happy to

4197
02:26:26,379 --> 02:26:28,147
present you all three standards.

4198
02:26:28,147 --> 02:26:30,450
You can look at what they look

4199
02:26:30,450 --> 02:26:32,218
like, the criteria, and go from

4200
02:26:32,218 --> 02:26:33,386
there. You could also build off

4201
02:26:33,386 --> 02:26:35,422
the compatibility and add more

4202
02:26:35,422 --> 02:26:38,324
criteria if you wanted to, to

4203
02:26:38,324 --> 02:26:39,492
the only one that is really set

4204
02:26:39,492 --> 02:26:41,294
historically is the hardship.

4205
02:26:41,294 --> 02:26:43,429
And there are certain criteria

4206
02:26:43,429 --> 02:26:46,132
in there that is very term of

4207
02:26:46,132 --> 02:26:49,132
art. That again is extremely

4208
02:26:49,169 --> 02:26:51,204
difficult to meet. So I'm happy

4209
02:26:51,204 --> 02:26:53,473
to provide that information to

4210
02:26:53,473 --> 02:26:54,374
you so you can review it. It's

4211
02:26:54,374 --> 02:26:56,343
not obviously in here, but it

4212
02:26:56,343 --> 02:26:58,770
could be for a future code

4213
02:26:58,770 --> 02:26:59,646
amendment. I have a comment and

4214
02:26:59,646 --> 02:27:02,649
I have a suggestion. Well, I

4215
02:27:02,649 --> 02:27:05,218
have a question, a suggestion

4216
02:27:05,218 --> 02:27:08,818
and a question. Can we even

4217
02:27:09,288 --> 02:27:12,888
amend our code under sb 180? So

4218
02:27:13,160 --> 02:27:15,361
I think that we someone could

4219
02:27:15,361 --> 02:27:18,565
say that changing your code to

4220
02:27:18,565 --> 02:27:20,700
add a hardship is more

4221
02:27:20,700 --> 02:27:22,700
restrictive or burdensome.

4222
02:27:23,303 --> 02:27:25,104
Whether or not other types of

4223
02:27:25,104 --> 02:27:26,506
changes we'd have to look at

4224
02:27:26,506 --> 02:27:28,241
and see. Mike and my my

4225
02:27:28,241 --> 02:27:30,110
suggestion is, which would be

4226
02:27:30,110 --> 02:27:31,578
yes. No, we couldn't do it. But

4227
02:27:31,578 --> 02:27:34,578
there's there's a piece of

4228
02:27:34,714 --> 02:27:37,114
illogic in lumping variance

4229
02:27:37,417 --> 02:27:40,220
with sb 180, because a variance

4230
02:27:40,220 --> 02:27:42,456
is a deviation from code. Right.

4231
02:27:42,456 --> 02:27:43,990
But the the sb 180 has a

4232
02:27:43,990 --> 02:27:46,326
provision that says that until

4233
02:27:46,326 --> 02:27:49,326
20th OCTOBER of 2027, we can't

4234
02:27:50,396 --> 02:27:52,165
adopt procedures that are more

4235
02:27:52,165 --> 02:27:53,766
restrictive or burdensome. But

4236
02:27:53,766 --> 02:27:55,502
we're not we're not trying to

4237
02:27:55,502 --> 02:27:56,469
make it more restrictive than

4238
02:27:56,469 --> 02:27:57,370
the current code. We're just

4239
02:27:57,370 --> 02:27:59,272
trying to make it within our

4240
02:27:59,272 --> 02:28:00,640
code, which I understand here.

4241
02:28:00,640 --> 02:28:02,509
But I think what Councilmember

4242
02:28:02,509 --> 02:28:03,777
Stoner was trying to say, if we

4243
02:28:03,777 --> 02:28:06,177
changed our variance criteria,

4244
02:28:07,130 --> 02:28:08,282
though, to add restrictive, to

4245
02:28:08,282 --> 02:28:10,484
add like a hardship, that's

4246
02:28:10,484 --> 02:28:12,252
going to make it more stringent.

4247
02:28:12,252 --> 02:28:13,553
We don't have hardship in our

4248
02:28:13,553 --> 02:28:15,555
code than our current code and

4249
02:28:15,555 --> 02:28:16,456
what we currently have. No than

4250
02:28:16,456 --> 02:28:17,591
what our current code. Not in

4251
02:28:17,591 --> 02:28:19,659
this ordinance. What's being

4252
02:28:19,659 --> 02:28:22,659
proposed? If we amended our

4253
02:28:22,929 --> 02:28:24,331
zoning code to to add criteria

4254
02:28:24,331 --> 02:28:27,400
to ensure that we stay within

4255
02:28:27,400 --> 02:28:28,335
our code, not making it more

4256
02:28:28,335 --> 02:28:30,637
restrictive. That's not that's

4257
02:28:30,637 --> 02:28:33,473
not what the question the

4258
02:28:33,473 --> 02:28:36,709
question was, if we were to add

4259
02:28:36,709 --> 02:28:38,244
a hardship standard, okay, for

4260
02:28:38,244 --> 02:28:40,246
variance in our code, that

4261
02:28:40,246 --> 02:28:42,182
would be more restrictive than

4262
02:28:42,182 --> 02:28:44,317
our current code. So is is

4263
02:28:44,317 --> 02:28:45,818
there is there other

4264
02:28:45,818 --> 02:28:47,154
municipalities obviously that

4265
02:28:47,154 --> 02:28:48,421
are facing this problem that

4266
02:28:48,421 --> 02:28:51,224
are clients of yours? Okay,

4267
02:28:51,224 --> 02:28:53,359
that you could maybe say, hey,

4268
02:28:53,359 --> 02:28:56,162
like for example, Golden Beach,

4269
02:28:56,162 --> 02:28:58,932
okay, or City of Surfside or

4270
02:28:58,932 --> 02:29:00,660
who have some more restrictive

4271
02:29:00,660 --> 02:29:02,268
language that we could

4272
02:29:02,268 --> 02:29:04,700
potentially bring into our

4273
02:29:04,700 --> 02:29:05,338
situation and healthfully and

4274
02:29:05,338 --> 02:29:07,340
not have to reinvent the wheel?

4275
02:29:07,340 --> 02:29:09,909
No, we wouldn't reinvent the

4276
02:29:09,909 --> 02:29:12,309
wheel. I've definitely done

4277
02:29:12,445 --> 02:29:14,213
when I have rewarding codes,

4278
02:29:14,213 --> 02:29:16,349
avoid reinventing. I will look,

4279
02:29:16,349 --> 02:29:19,949
but I'm pretty sure that I

4280
02:29:20,219 --> 02:29:21,788
personally have a. A comparison

4281
02:29:21,788 --> 02:29:23,560
of the different zoning

4282
02:29:23,560 --> 02:29:25,560
variants standards with

4283
02:29:25,358 --> 02:29:27,560
criteria that I'll look and see.

4284
02:29:27,560 --> 02:29:30,363
Okay, let me, let me let me

4285
02:29:30,363 --> 02:29:33,330
jump in, folks, because we're

4286
02:29:33,330 --> 02:29:35,168
we're going all over the place.

4287
02:29:35,168 --> 02:29:37,303
So Nancy, I love you, but I

4288
02:29:37,303 --> 02:29:38,471
think, you know, maybe you

4289
02:29:38,471 --> 02:29:41,140
bring this back. Well, what I

4290
02:29:41,140 --> 02:29:42,342
was going to say is, can we and

4291
02:29:42,342 --> 02:29:44,244
rather than take a vote, can we

4292
02:29:44,244 --> 02:29:47,844
defer and call the Zork before

4293
02:29:48,381 --> 02:29:50,850
us to talk to us about their,

4294
02:29:50,850 --> 02:29:52,886
their. So, so let's let's defer

4295
02:29:52,886 --> 02:29:55,222
it. But we got into two

4296
02:29:55,222 --> 02:29:57,357
discussions. We got into a

4297
02:29:57,357 --> 02:29:59,425
variance discussion which would

4298
02:29:59,425 --> 02:30:01,861
lead us somewhere else. And

4299
02:30:01,861 --> 02:30:04,330
this is about an an advisory

4300
02:30:04,330 --> 02:30:06,499
panel. Right. So you know let's

4301
02:30:06,499 --> 02:30:08,501
separate those two because that

4302
02:30:08,501 --> 02:30:09,302
that was a worthwhile

4303
02:30:09,302 --> 02:30:12,104
conversation. And we need to

4304
02:30:12,104 --> 02:30:15,342
keep going in that area. But.

4305
02:30:15,342 --> 02:30:16,542
Yes. Last comment. In all due

4306
02:30:16,542 --> 02:30:18,311
respect, do you hear me? I

4307
02:30:18,311 --> 02:30:21,814
think you do an excellent job

4308
02:30:21,814 --> 02:30:23,750
of analyzing, comparing,

4309
02:30:23,750 --> 02:30:25,850
considering and coming down

4310
02:30:25,850 --> 02:30:26,786
with recommendations, which are

4311
02:30:26,786 --> 02:30:29,455
very easy for, I think, for

4312
02:30:29,455 --> 02:30:30,657
most people to understand and

4313
02:30:30,657 --> 02:30:31,725
decide whether we agree with

4314
02:30:31,725 --> 02:30:33,759
your logic or we don't agree

4315
02:30:33,759 --> 02:30:34,694
with your logic. I don't

4316
02:30:34,694 --> 02:30:36,229
understand the problem because

4317
02:30:36,229 --> 02:30:38,898
I don't see the complications

4318
02:30:38,898 --> 02:30:40,400
involved. But if in fact that

4319
02:30:40,400 --> 02:30:42,636
is the case, then maybe we can

4320
02:30:42,636 --> 02:30:44,236
make it a simple way for him to

4321
02:30:44,236 --> 02:30:46,406
define his criteria or to

4322
02:30:46,406 --> 02:30:48,541
explain it to people. If you

4323
02:30:48,541 --> 02:30:49,676
don't think that what he does

4324
02:30:49,676 --> 02:30:51,377
is simple enough for people to

4325
02:30:51,377 --> 02:30:52,879
understand. When I say people,

4326
02:30:52,879 --> 02:30:54,380
I mean our council understand.

4327
02:30:54,380 --> 02:30:56,149
But otherwise I think and I've

4328
02:30:56,149 --> 02:30:57,350
been around a lot of zoning in

4329
02:30:57,350 --> 02:30:59,750
different places and everything

4330
02:30:59,919 --> 02:31:01,487
else, and I have very thorough,

4331
02:31:01,487 --> 02:31:03,322
complete point by point job

4332
02:31:03,322 --> 02:31:05,157
with a conclusion which you

4333
02:31:05,157 --> 02:31:06,726
might agree with, you might not

4334
02:31:06,726 --> 02:31:08,362
disagree with. But he certainly

4335
02:31:08,362 --> 02:31:09,596
gives you the reasons why he

4336
02:31:09,596 --> 02:31:11,264
does agree with it or disagrees

4337
02:31:11,264 --> 02:31:14,734
with it. And then we can make

4338
02:31:14,734 --> 02:31:16,402
our own decisions. Okay, let's.

4339
02:31:16,402 --> 02:31:18,371
If we permission and defer the

4340
02:31:18,371 --> 02:31:21,541
I'm moving to defer this to

4341
02:31:21,541 --> 02:31:25,141
defer we have a second second.

4342
02:31:25,812 --> 02:31:29,816
All those in all those in favor.

4343
02:31:29,816 --> 02:31:32,216
Aye. Opposed. Motion carries.

4344
02:31:34,220 --> 02:31:35,555
Okay. Let's go to the real

4345
02:31:35,555 --> 02:31:39,155
variances and not the ones that

4346
02:31:43,129 --> 02:31:46,298
we were. Let's go to ten e.

4347
02:31:46,298 --> 02:31:49,301
1616 I think. Is it 16. I think

4348
02:31:49,301 --> 02:31:50,603
it's tab 1616. Yeah okay. Okay.

4349
02:31:50,603 --> 02:31:52,239
So again these are going to be

4350
02:31:52,239 --> 02:31:53,473
quasi judicial hearings. So

4351
02:31:53,473 --> 02:31:55,175
after the titles are read and

4352
02:31:55,175 --> 02:31:56,509
you can read both at the same

4353
02:31:56,509 --> 02:31:59,378
time and have one hearing mayor

4354
02:31:59,378 --> 02:32:02,181
if you want okay let's do that.

4355
02:32:02,181 --> 02:32:05,181
Just two separate votes. Two

4356
02:32:05,518 --> 02:32:07,687
separate votes. But the next

4357
02:32:07,687 --> 02:32:09,455
item is a resolution of the

4358
02:32:09,455 --> 02:32:10,356
village council of the Village

4359
02:32:10,356 --> 02:32:12,692
of Key Biscayne, Florida,

4360
02:32:12,692 --> 02:32:15,595
approving a variance request to

4361
02:32:15,595 --> 02:32:17,830
allow a maximum rear zone lot

4362
02:32:17,830 --> 02:32:18,531
elevation of nine feet and six

4363
02:32:18,531 --> 02:32:20,800
inches above base flood

4364
02:32:20,800 --> 02:32:23,200
elevation on property located

4365
02:32:23,203 --> 02:32:25,571
at 640 South Match to Drive,

4366
02:32:25,571 --> 02:32:27,406
where eight feet and six inches

4367
02:32:27,406 --> 02:32:28,108
above base flood elevation is

4368
02:32:28,108 --> 02:32:29,442
otherwise required. Providing

4369
02:32:29,442 --> 02:32:30,910
for findings, providing for

4370
02:32:30,910 --> 02:32:32,645
conditions, providing for

4371
02:32:32,645 --> 02:32:35,582
recording and providing for an

4372
02:32:35,582 --> 02:32:37,982
effective date move second.

4373
02:32:38,218 --> 02:32:40,119
Second. Thank you. Yeah. Read

4374
02:32:40,119 --> 02:32:41,287
the other title also. Yes, a

4375
02:32:41,287 --> 02:32:42,855
resolution of the village

4376
02:32:42,855 --> 02:32:44,323
council of the Village of Key

4377
02:32:44,323 --> 02:32:45,325
Biscayne, Florida, approving a

4378
02:32:45,325 --> 02:32:48,325
variance request to allow a

4379
02:32:48,695 --> 02:32:50,763
maximum exterior wall height of

4380
02:32:50,763 --> 02:32:52,665
23ft and six inches above base

4381
02:32:52,665 --> 02:32:54,433
flood elevation on property

4382
02:32:54,433 --> 02:32:56,833
located at 640 South Master

4383
02:32:56,836 --> 02:32:58,471
Drive, where a maximum exterior

4384
02:32:58,471 --> 02:33:01,708
wall height of 22ft and six

4385
02:33:01,708 --> 02:33:02,375
inches above base flood

4386
02:33:02,375 --> 02:33:03,810
elevation is otherwise

4387
02:33:03,810 --> 02:33:05,244
permitted. Providing for

4388
02:33:05,244 --> 02:33:06,446
findings, providing for

4389
02:33:06,446 --> 02:33:09,446
recording and providing for an

4390
02:33:09,849 --> 02:33:12,249
effective date moved second.

4391
02:33:13,152 --> 02:33:14,721
Thank you. Okay, do we need the

4392
02:33:14,721 --> 02:33:17,121
applicant? Give the applicant.

4393
02:33:17,223 --> 02:33:19,859
Sure. First swear in anybody

4394
02:33:19,859 --> 02:33:20,593
who's going to speak. And then

4395
02:33:20,593 --> 02:33:23,263
we can let the applicant

4396
02:33:23,263 --> 02:33:25,431
present and staff please stand

4397
02:33:25,431 --> 02:33:27,633
and raise your right hand. Do

4398
02:33:27,633 --> 02:33:28,868
you swear and affirm that the

4399
02:33:28,868 --> 02:33:31,868
testimony you give this evening

4400
02:33:32,271 --> 02:33:34,774
is the truth? Yes. Thank you. I

4401
02:33:34,774 --> 02:33:35,375
don't see any other members

4402
02:33:35,375 --> 02:33:37,376
from the public that are here

4403
02:33:37,376 --> 02:33:38,945
to speak. So. And then we'll

4404
02:33:38,945 --> 02:33:40,280
have to just open a public

4405
02:33:40,280 --> 02:33:43,280
hearing at public hearing is

4406
02:33:44,116 --> 02:33:48,880
now open on ten e and ten f.

4407
02:33:48,880 --> 02:33:49,288
Seeing no one come forward.

4408
02:33:49,288 --> 02:33:52,288
Public hearing is now closed.

4409
02:33:52,926 --> 02:33:54,360
Okay. We need to give the

4410
02:33:54,360 --> 02:33:56,495
applicant the sufficient time

4411
02:33:56,495 --> 02:33:59,495
to present their case. Sure.

4412
02:34:00,533 --> 02:34:02,268
Yes. Okay. It's important to

4413
02:34:02,268 --> 02:34:06,720
know how much time do you need?

4414
02:34:06,720 --> 02:34:08,472
Go under our government.

4415
02:34:09,742 --> 02:34:11,811
Agendas and minutes. Said 5 or

4416
02:34:11,811 --> 02:34:13,446
10 minutes. Five. Ten minutes.

4417
02:34:13,446 --> 02:34:14,514
Agenda packet. So we're just

4418
02:34:14,514 --> 02:34:16,483
we're just pulling up the

4419
02:34:16,483 --> 02:34:19,218
agenda packet for visuals. Yeah.

4420
02:34:19,218 --> 02:34:21,540
But just so you all know, this

4421
02:34:21,540 --> 02:34:23,322
is this is two separate

4422
02:34:23,322 --> 02:34:25,224
variance requests that are

4423
02:34:25,224 --> 02:34:27,226
similar. So I think we can

4424
02:34:27,226 --> 02:34:28,627
discuss them at the same time.

4425
02:34:28,627 --> 02:34:31,197
One is for wall height on the

4426
02:34:31,197 --> 02:34:32,832
property. The overall height of

4427
02:34:32,832 --> 02:34:35,301
the building is within the 35ft

4428
02:34:35,301 --> 02:34:37,504
limit. So this is a1a request

4429
02:34:37,504 --> 02:34:40,573
for one foot of additional wall

4430
02:34:40,573 --> 02:34:42,441
height on the perimeter wall. I

4431
02:34:42,441 --> 02:34:43,509
think notable in this case.

4432
02:34:43,509 --> 02:34:47,109
This is a building with a

4433
02:34:47,413 --> 02:34:50,413
sloped roof, which is generally

4434
02:34:50,649 --> 02:34:52,118
well received from from council

4435
02:34:52,118 --> 02:34:54,386
in the past. It gives an

4436
02:34:54,386 --> 02:34:57,386
impression overall of a lower

4437
02:34:57,490 --> 02:35:00,490
lower height compared to the

4438
02:35:00,927 --> 02:35:03,327
more rectilinear buildings. The

4439
02:35:03,362 --> 02:35:05,498
other in addition they have.

4440
02:35:05,498 --> 02:35:07,334
The massing of the building. Is

4441
02:35:07,334 --> 02:35:09,368
that the second floor, where

4442
02:35:09,368 --> 02:35:11,304
this variance request is being

4443
02:35:11,304 --> 02:35:14,107
asked for, is well set back

4444
02:35:14,107 --> 02:35:16,408
from the street you have single

4445
02:35:16,408 --> 02:35:19,111
storey massing on the on the

4446
02:35:19,111 --> 02:35:20,579
street side. So the and then

4447
02:35:20,579 --> 02:35:22,515
you have a very large setback

4448
02:35:22,515 --> 02:35:24,217
on the south side. So the two

4449
02:35:24,217 --> 02:35:26,218
sides that are most impacted by

4450
02:35:26,218 --> 02:35:27,820
this are the ocean side and the

4451
02:35:27,820 --> 02:35:29,422
north property, which

4452
02:35:29,422 --> 02:35:31,422
coincidentally the architect

4453
02:35:33,159 --> 02:35:36,159
also designed. And that's an

4454
02:35:36,763 --> 02:35:39,265
existing two story building. So

4455
02:35:39,265 --> 02:35:40,533
the second variance request is

4456
02:35:40,533 --> 02:35:43,503
for one foot of additional

4457
02:35:43,503 --> 02:35:46,720
height in the rear sort of back

4458
02:35:46,720 --> 02:35:48,274
patio pool area. And then it

4459
02:35:48,274 --> 02:35:51,874
steps back down to the property

4460
02:35:52,445 --> 02:35:55,445
line. What's the design purpose

4461
02:35:55,548 --> 02:35:57,316
on the on the rear lot? I'm

4462
02:35:57,316 --> 02:36:00,316
going to let the applicant

4463
02:36:00,854 --> 02:36:03,256
speak to that in terms of in

4464
02:36:03,256 --> 02:36:06,256
terms of purpose. The house

4465
02:36:06,392 --> 02:36:09,128
across the street from the side,

4466
02:36:09,128 --> 02:36:09,696
that's about 10 foot or 5 foot

4467
02:36:09,696 --> 02:36:12,310
higher than this house over

4468
02:36:12,310 --> 02:36:15,335
here. You can design that one.

4469
02:36:15,335 --> 02:36:18,935
Who built that one? Wow. Yes.

4470
02:36:19,305 --> 02:36:21,641
Great. Yeah. That's fine. So

4471
02:36:21,641 --> 02:36:22,708
again, it comes to the view of

4472
02:36:22,708 --> 02:36:24,977
everything that the city. So

4473
02:36:24,977 --> 02:36:29,177
and I will make sure no matter

4474
02:36:32,418 --> 02:36:36,180
how the. 17 people. So we'll do

4475
02:36:37,690 --> 02:36:41,290
this in two ways. Smart smart

4476
02:36:41,293 --> 02:36:43,620
man. So how much cheaper. So

4477
02:36:43,620 --> 02:36:44,397
he's coming over. What happens

4478
02:36:44,397 --> 02:36:46,797
when you read encyclopedias.

4479
02:36:53,506 --> 02:36:56,142
But. You're going to. Have we

4480
02:36:56,142 --> 02:36:58,177
should have the it would appear

4481
02:36:58,177 --> 02:37:00,146
in OCTOBER as well because the

4482
02:37:00,146 --> 02:37:02,182
the backup files are there. So

4483
02:37:02,182 --> 02:37:04,384
we can cheat that way. By the

4484
02:37:04,384 --> 02:37:05,217
way this particular thing we

4485
02:37:05,217 --> 02:37:07,587
OCTOBER 1st. Yeah. Let's go

4486
02:37:07,587 --> 02:37:08,220
ahead and pull that up. He's

4487
02:37:08,220 --> 02:37:10,256
talking about raising the dirt

4488
02:37:10,256 --> 02:37:11,290
okay. So search for 640 the

4489
02:37:11,290 --> 02:37:13,359
dirt and the whole island

4490
02:37:13,359 --> 02:37:14,960
because of the reason we had

4491
02:37:14,960 --> 02:37:16,729
the whole thing because it's

4492
02:37:16,729 --> 02:37:18,131
too low. So we really haven't

4493
02:37:18,131 --> 02:37:21,731
changed. But it'll be the same

4494
02:37:21,868 --> 02:37:23,503
problem. That's the problem

4495
02:37:23,503 --> 02:37:25,137
because we should have changed

4496
02:37:25,137 --> 02:37:27,706
the color. Ready to raise the

4497
02:37:27,706 --> 02:37:29,750
dirt. Okay, I'm just trying.

4498
02:37:29,750 --> 02:37:30,610
I've been pushed. I just pushed

4499
02:37:30,610 --> 02:37:32,578
what I've been told what? We

4500
02:37:32,578 --> 02:37:33,947
can get there from here because

4501
02:37:33,947 --> 02:37:35,480
this was deferred. You're

4502
02:37:35,480 --> 02:37:36,480
making the change. So the

4503
02:37:36,480 --> 02:37:37,984
drawing should be in the

4504
02:37:37,984 --> 02:37:38,818
OCTOBER that the island's going

4505
02:37:38,818 --> 02:37:41,454
to know they are. They're going

4506
02:37:41,454 --> 02:37:43,222
to find the well the agenda on.

4507
02:37:43,222 --> 02:37:46,392
Shut up. You be quiet. You be

4508
02:37:46,392 --> 02:37:47,360
quiet too. But but but we can

4509
02:37:47,360 --> 02:37:49,762
use that one. That was fine.

4510
02:37:49,762 --> 02:37:51,964
Yes. Okay. You're becoming a

4511
02:37:51,964 --> 02:37:54,300
pain. Yes. I love you, though.

4512
02:37:54,300 --> 02:37:56,101
Listen, nobody can protect me

4513
02:37:56,101 --> 02:37:58,538
from myself. You should know

4514
02:37:58,538 --> 02:38:02,475
that by now. I don't give a

4515
02:38:02,475 --> 02:38:05,845
damn, I know. I don't give a

4516
02:38:05,845 --> 02:38:09,445
damn. I'll go eat the pizza.

4517
02:38:10,449 --> 02:38:12,285
Okay? Yeah. Are we on a okay? I

4518
02:38:12,285 --> 02:38:14,787
need to make this thing. This

4519
02:38:14,787 --> 02:38:17,256
is. This is a perfect example.

4520
02:38:17,256 --> 02:38:19,125
I think it's time. What time?

4521
02:38:19,125 --> 02:38:21,961
Is it? Nice. Yeah. You did.

4522
02:38:21,961 --> 02:38:24,597
Okay. Let's get it done. Now.

4523
02:38:24,597 --> 02:38:27,990
It's 11. Okay. Ten. Okay, I'll

4524
02:38:27,990 --> 02:38:30,699
go down there. You have to

4525
02:38:31,300 --> 02:38:35,203
raise it. You raise in the dirt.

4526
02:38:39,445 --> 02:38:43,516
And what is it? Ten e. Okay, so

4527
02:38:43,516 --> 02:38:46,516
it'll be time. I'm worried

4528
02:38:47,554 --> 02:38:49,455
about it. No no no. Sorry. 16.

4529
02:38:49,455 --> 02:38:51,624
Okay, I understand why we have

4530
02:38:51,624 --> 02:38:53,624
technical difficulties. Oh,

4531
02:39:03,402 --> 02:39:07,200
okay. The big agenda did you

4532
02:39:11,644 --> 02:39:15,244
get. I went to 16. Yeah. Okay.

4533
02:39:16,916 --> 02:39:20,516
Okay. You want to scroll down

4534
02:39:20,887 --> 02:39:23,689
to the drawing? The drawings?

4535
02:39:23,689 --> 02:39:27,289
Are there any days instead of

4536
02:39:28,600 --> 02:39:31,660
one we're going to go to 1030.

4537
02:39:37,903 --> 02:39:42,103
Yeah. So I need to. Know okay.

4538
02:39:45,111 --> 02:39:46,378
There you go. All right. Yeah.

4539
02:39:46,378 --> 02:39:49,978
All right. That's a good start.

4540
02:39:50,216 --> 02:39:51,383
Yeah. Then there we go. Indiana.

4541
02:39:51,383 --> 02:39:54,787
Indiana was like, hold on, hold

4542
02:39:54,787 --> 02:39:58,191
on a minute. Yeah. Michael I

4543
02:39:58,191 --> 02:40:00,192
open every day. That's cool.

4544
02:40:00,192 --> 02:40:02,561
That's great. I've done a lot

4545
02:40:02,561 --> 02:40:04,564
of road trips like that. That's

4546
02:40:04,564 --> 02:40:06,499
fun I love it I love driving.

4547
02:40:06,499 --> 02:40:10,699
Yeah I mean, we got it. All

4548
02:40:10,736 --> 02:40:13,736
right, let's go. There. Let's

4549
02:40:14,640 --> 02:40:16,242
go. Well, I, you know, my wife,

4550
02:40:16,242 --> 02:40:17,843
my wife and I were married in

4551
02:40:17,843 --> 02:40:19,579
the. We still have we got

4552
02:40:19,579 --> 02:40:22,579
married and she's like okay.

4553
02:40:22,949 --> 02:40:25,952
Yeah we still have. We still

4554
02:40:25,952 --> 02:40:28,952
have something in here. And

4555
02:40:30,356 --> 02:40:33,559
then we have a family house on

4556
02:40:33,559 --> 02:40:37,759
on Lake Starnberg. Oh my GOD, I

4557
02:40:38,363 --> 02:40:41,634
love that. Very same. All right,

4558
02:40:41,634 --> 02:40:44,937
we got it. Yes. Sorry about

4559
02:40:44,937 --> 02:40:48,537
that. Oh, but you found it.

4560
02:40:51,177 --> 02:40:54,177
This package? Yes. Nice. Anyway.

4561
02:40:58,284 --> 02:41:00,452
Let's go. Oh, yeah. So with

4562
02:41:00,452 --> 02:41:03,256
your permission, I'll just set

4563
02:41:03,256 --> 02:41:04,923
the scene a little bit for the

4564
02:41:04,923 --> 02:41:07,893
applicant. So this is the

4565
02:41:07,893 --> 02:41:10,195
existing property at South

4566
02:41:10,195 --> 02:41:11,630
Mashta Drive. This is the home

4567
02:41:11,630 --> 02:41:12,398
that's currently under

4568
02:41:12,398 --> 02:41:14,398
construction at 630 South

4569
02:41:14,767 --> 02:41:16,335
Mashta next door, right next

4570
02:41:16,335 --> 02:41:18,871
door. And then this is the

4571
02:41:18,871 --> 02:41:20,305
existing home to the to the

4572
02:41:20,305 --> 02:41:23,575
north side. This was built in

4573
02:41:23,575 --> 02:41:26,575
2001. And then this is the

4574
02:41:27,813 --> 02:41:30,917
location on on the Island. You

4575
02:41:30,917 --> 02:41:32,418
didn't show the one across the

4576
02:41:32,418 --> 02:41:35,654
street? I did not show the one

4577
02:41:35,654 --> 02:41:37,456
across the street. Yours wasn't

4578
02:41:37,456 --> 02:41:39,458
built with permitting. Yeah,

4579
02:41:39,458 --> 02:41:41,940
well they have permit for one

4580
02:41:41,940 --> 02:41:42,361
of them has was having work

4581
02:41:42,361 --> 02:41:44,464
done right now and it is being

4582
02:41:44,464 --> 02:41:46,265
done with a permit. So this is

4583
02:41:46,265 --> 02:41:49,368
a survey. And then I'm going to

4584
02:41:49,368 --> 02:41:51,303
let the, let the applicant, the

4585
02:41:51,303 --> 02:41:53,303
applicant's representative take

4586
02:42:03,490 --> 02:42:04,183
it from here. So okay. My name

4587
02:42:04,183 --> 02:42:07,183
is Rafael Portuondo from Puerto

4588
02:42:07,453 --> 02:42:10,957
Perotti Architects. We do a lot

4589
02:42:10,957 --> 02:42:12,191
of work in here in Key Biscayne.

4590
02:42:12,191 --> 02:42:16,362
We actually we did the house to

4591
02:42:16,362 --> 02:42:19,962
the right of it back in. 2012.

4592
02:42:21,100 --> 02:42:23,202
Right. For at the time, one of

4593
02:42:23,202 --> 02:42:25,337
the things before starting, one

4594
02:42:25,337 --> 02:42:27,172
of the things that has come up,

4595
02:42:27,172 --> 02:42:29,342
which I think is somewhat

4596
02:42:29,342 --> 02:42:30,609
problematic for architects, is

4597
02:42:30,609 --> 02:42:33,609
the fact that we're dealing

4598
02:42:33,646 --> 02:42:36,460
with flood, Criteria's and

4599
02:42:36,148 --> 02:42:38,383
Coral Gables Palm Beach are all

4600
02:42:38,383 --> 02:42:39,652
dealing with flood criteria's.

4601
02:42:39,652 --> 02:42:41,320
And then the one thing that I'm

4602
02:42:41,320 --> 02:42:42,688
going to talk about today is

4603
02:42:42,688 --> 02:42:44,560
I'm part of the Classical

4604
02:42:44,560 --> 02:42:45,858
Institute of Architecture and

4605
02:42:45,858 --> 02:42:47,226
Art. I'm a board member there.

4606
02:42:47,226 --> 02:42:50,263
And one of the things that we

4607
02:42:50,263 --> 02:42:51,597
push is classical architecture

4608
02:42:51,597 --> 02:42:53,650
between and it's also a dialog

4609
02:42:53,650 --> 02:42:54,400
between gardens and landscaping.

4610
02:42:54,400 --> 02:42:56,335
Right. One of the problems that

4611
02:42:56,335 --> 02:42:57,469
you're all going to have, and

4612
02:42:57,469 --> 02:42:59,371
you're all having right now, is

4613
02:42:59,371 --> 02:43:00,573
the fact that we're the streets

4614
02:43:00,573 --> 02:43:02,475
that are probably like 5.1 and

4615
02:43:02,475 --> 02:43:03,909
we're going up to elevation 11.

4616
02:43:03,909 --> 02:43:05,344
One of the things that you're

4617
02:43:05,344 --> 02:43:06,411
going to see, and it's

4618
02:43:06,411 --> 02:43:07,814
happening already in the

4619
02:43:07,814 --> 02:43:10,814
village of Key Biscayne, is

4620
02:43:11,150 --> 02:43:13,386
you're getting monumental homes

4621
02:43:13,386 --> 02:43:15,187
with 12 steps to get to the

4622
02:43:15,187 --> 02:43:17,557
front door because of what's

4623
02:43:17,557 --> 02:43:19,250
happening. Right. And so how do

4624
02:43:19,250 --> 02:43:21,326
you manage that as an architect?

4625
02:43:21,326 --> 02:43:22,762
How do you manage such a

4626
02:43:22,762 --> 02:43:25,164
discrepancy? Back in the day

4627
02:43:25,164 --> 02:43:27,320
when you looked at, you know,

4628
02:43:27,320 --> 02:43:27,566
the houses that were being

4629
02:43:27,566 --> 02:43:29,902
built, you would go up two

4630
02:43:29,902 --> 02:43:31,570
steps to go to the front door

4631
02:43:31,570 --> 02:43:32,604
and you would be two steps to

4632
02:43:32,604 --> 02:43:34,240
the back door. And now let's

4633
02:43:34,240 --> 02:43:35,674
suppose I'm going to use your

4634
02:43:35,674 --> 02:43:38,100
criteria for you just real

4635
02:43:38,100 --> 02:43:39,445
quick. We're at elevation 11

4636
02:43:39,445 --> 02:43:42,481
and we're asking for our rear

4637
02:43:42,481 --> 02:43:45,481
yard to be at elevation 9.5.

4638
02:43:45,751 --> 02:43:48,221
And the code is 8.5. Right. But

4639
02:43:48,221 --> 02:43:49,622
what happens if it goes to 14?

4640
02:43:49,622 --> 02:43:51,256
Does that mean you're going to

4641
02:43:51,256 --> 02:43:53,292
have 12 steps to go from your

4642
02:43:53,292 --> 02:43:55,294
house to the to the 8.5? In

4643
02:43:55,294 --> 02:43:56,295
other words, part of the give

4644
02:43:56,295 --> 02:43:59,231
and take of any design that

4645
02:43:59,231 --> 02:44:01,660
we're working on is not making

4646
02:44:01,660 --> 02:44:02,368
these are homes. These are not

4647
02:44:02,368 --> 02:44:04,503
municipal buildings. Right. So

4648
02:44:04,503 --> 02:44:06,605
there's a there's a comfort

4649
02:44:06,605 --> 02:44:10,205
zone of most homes that you

4650
02:44:10,742 --> 02:44:14,342
want to manage that. So having

4651
02:44:23,880 --> 02:44:26,325
said that I guess we can start.

4652
02:44:26,325 --> 02:44:27,226
I'm going to go to the, to the

4653
02:44:27,226 --> 02:44:29,226
hopefully the rendered

4654
02:44:44,760 --> 02:44:46,476
elevations that are here.

4655
02:45:12,171 --> 02:45:14,171
Is it

4656
02:45:15,274 --> 02:45:18,274
possible to make the screen

4657
02:45:19,111 --> 02:45:22,111
smaller? Sure. Just just with

4658
02:45:23,480 --> 02:45:26,648
that plus and minus. There's a

4659
02:45:38,330 --> 02:45:40,499
little lag on it though. Okay.

4660
02:45:40,499 --> 02:45:42,401
So one of the responsibilities

4661
02:45:42,401 --> 02:45:44,103
we all have as architects is to

4662
02:45:44,103 --> 02:45:45,303
make sure that the house feels

4663
02:45:45,303 --> 02:45:47,600
like a home, doesn't feel like

4664
02:45:47,600 --> 02:45:48,608
an apartment building. And one

4665
02:45:48,608 --> 02:45:50,275
of the goals that we had in

4666
02:45:50,275 --> 02:45:53,178
this particular project is if

4667
02:45:53,178 --> 02:45:56,415
you see the gate that we the

4668
02:45:56,415 --> 02:45:58,830
entrance we have here, it's

4669
02:45:58,830 --> 02:45:59,318
actually the entrance to a

4670
02:45:59,318 --> 02:46:01,587
series of stairs that go

4671
02:46:01,587 --> 02:46:03,389
through a pergola, which takes

4672
02:46:03,389 --> 02:46:06,580
us to an upper courtyard. Right.

4673
02:46:06,580 --> 02:46:08,327
So we're managing that stairway

4674
02:46:08,327 --> 02:46:10,496
on the interior part of the

4675
02:46:10,496 --> 02:46:11,230
diagram, as opposed to the

4676
02:46:11,230 --> 02:46:13,299
exterior part of the diagram,

4677
02:46:13,299 --> 02:46:14,466
which gives it a scale of a

4678
02:46:14,466 --> 02:46:15,267
human scale. And that's

4679
02:46:15,267 --> 02:46:18,267
important with anything you do

4680
02:46:18,270 --> 02:46:19,710
in any town, in any

4681
02:46:19,710 --> 02:46:20,272
municipality. The other thing

4682
02:46:20,272 --> 02:46:22,307
that we did is we worked

4683
02:46:22,307 --> 02:46:23,543
closely with zoning in, in

4684
02:46:23,543 --> 02:46:26,345
terms of managing the bonus

4685
02:46:26,345 --> 02:46:27,513
points, right? So what you see

4686
02:46:27,513 --> 02:46:29,214
in the house next door and

4687
02:46:29,214 --> 02:46:30,349
other houses you see in Key

4688
02:46:30,349 --> 02:46:32,351
Biscayne is that there's a big

4689
02:46:32,351 --> 02:46:33,252
facade right on the street and

4690
02:46:33,252 --> 02:46:34,720
you're managing, you know, ins

4691
02:46:34,720 --> 02:46:36,355
and outs. But in this

4692
02:46:36,355 --> 02:46:38,324
particular case, we have from

4693
02:46:38,324 --> 02:46:40,492
the from the gates that go up

4694
02:46:40,492 --> 02:46:42,594
to the front door, a 20 foot

4695
02:46:42,594 --> 02:46:43,362
setback. So we're really

4696
02:46:43,362 --> 02:46:45,331
stepping the house. So it's

4697
02:46:45,331 --> 02:46:47,199
really much more sculptural on

4698
02:46:47,199 --> 02:46:49,267
the street. And so one of the

4699
02:46:49,267 --> 02:46:50,502
one of one of the goals that we

4700
02:46:50,502 --> 02:46:52,171
have is that it doesn't look

4701
02:46:52,171 --> 02:46:54,306
like a massive house. If you

4702
02:46:54,306 --> 02:46:57,576
look at the house that we did

4703
02:46:57,576 --> 02:46:59,912
in 2000, 2 or 2012, our house

4704
02:46:59,912 --> 02:47:02,148
is actually lower than the

4705
02:47:02,148 --> 02:47:03,382
house next door. And so one of

4706
02:47:03,382 --> 02:47:05,517
the things that we're looking

4707
02:47:05,517 --> 02:47:06,952
at is a sense of scale. And

4708
02:47:06,952 --> 02:47:08,353
also the other thing that we're

4709
02:47:08,353 --> 02:47:10,489
looking at is gardens. So if

4710
02:47:10,489 --> 02:47:12,591
you look at and I'm going to

4711
02:47:12,591 --> 02:47:13,559
take you to the floorplans in a

4712
02:47:13,559 --> 02:47:15,194
second, but when I want to

4713
02:47:15,194 --> 02:47:17,563
start off with is how the

4714
02:47:17,563 --> 02:47:18,964
architecture can actually be

4715
02:47:18,964 --> 02:47:21,267
beautiful to the street and not

4716
02:47:21,267 --> 02:47:23,635
monumental to the street. Part

4717
02:47:23,635 --> 02:47:25,838
of this is also working with

4718
02:47:25,838 --> 02:47:26,972
zoning and making sure that

4719
02:47:26,972 --> 02:47:29,972
we're also doing the things

4720
02:47:36,515 --> 02:47:40,115
that are correct. I think it's

4721
02:48:00,500 --> 02:48:03,605
stuck. Just as a frozen. So

4722
02:48:05,110 --> 02:48:07,279
just you can navigate here.

4723
02:48:07,279 --> 02:48:10,820
Where's that? What are you

4724
02:48:10,820 --> 02:48:11,984
pointing just oh yeah. So are

4725
02:48:11,984 --> 02:48:14,186
you trying to get to a side

4726
02:48:14,186 --> 02:48:17,186
elevation. That's fine. I just

4727
02:48:17,522 --> 02:48:19,910
want to show. The rear. You

4728
02:48:19,910 --> 02:48:22,394
should be able to navigate with

4729
02:48:22,394 --> 02:48:23,396
the arrows now. Okay. So I'm

4730
02:48:23,396 --> 02:48:25,397
not the most technical guy just

4731
02:48:25,397 --> 02:48:27,320
putting it out there. But the

4732
02:48:27,320 --> 02:48:29,401
other thing too is in regards

4733
02:48:29,401 --> 02:48:30,902
to the rear facade is a lot of

4734
02:48:30,902 --> 02:48:32,237
times, like for example,

4735
02:48:32,237 --> 02:48:34,305
bulkheads used to be at 4.5,

4736
02:48:34,305 --> 02:48:36,108
now they're at 7.5. So how do

4737
02:48:36,108 --> 02:48:37,176
you deal with that. So these

4738
02:48:37,176 --> 02:48:39,344
are not hardships that you

4739
02:48:39,344 --> 02:48:40,913
would say this is a hardship.

4740
02:48:40,913 --> 02:48:43,715
We're dealing with hardships in

4741
02:48:43,715 --> 02:48:44,516
general. And how do we solve

4742
02:48:44,516 --> 02:48:48,116
them? We're doing it the most

4743
02:48:49,321 --> 02:48:52,657
responsible way we can. So. In

4744
02:48:52,657 --> 02:48:55,327
this particular case here we

4745
02:48:55,327 --> 02:48:57,329
are at 11. We come down a step,

4746
02:48:57,329 --> 02:48:59,364
we come down two steps and then

4747
02:48:59,364 --> 02:49:02,868
we're at we raised it a foot

4748
02:49:02,868 --> 02:49:04,336
and we're at 9.5, 9.5 from 8.5

4749
02:49:04,336 --> 02:49:07,936
is never going to be noticed

4750
02:49:08,106 --> 02:49:10,342
from anyone ever. But as a home,

4751
02:49:10,342 --> 02:49:12,511
we don't have five steps coming

4752
02:49:12,511 --> 02:49:14,312
down to the rear yard. I'm

4753
02:49:14,312 --> 02:49:15,547
going to show you the site plan

4754
02:49:15,547 --> 02:49:16,382
in a second, because part of

4755
02:49:16,382 --> 02:49:18,483
dealing with the zoning code

4756
02:49:18,483 --> 02:49:20,285
and the bonuses is if you step

4757
02:49:20,285 --> 02:49:21,320
back x amount, then you get a

4758
02:49:21,320 --> 02:49:23,355
bonus. If you step back x

4759
02:49:23,355 --> 02:49:24,523
amount more, you get more bonus.

4760
02:49:24,523 --> 02:49:26,492
So what happens is it actually

4761
02:49:26,492 --> 02:49:27,359
starts pushing the house back.

4762
02:49:27,359 --> 02:49:29,940
And by pushing the house back,

4763
02:49:29,940 --> 02:49:31,129
there's less space between the

4764
02:49:31,129 --> 02:49:32,464
house and actually the bulkhead.

4765
02:49:32,464 --> 02:49:33,732
So instead of adding more steps

4766
02:49:33,732 --> 02:49:35,201
and more steps and encroaching

4767
02:49:35,201 --> 02:49:37,736
more and more into the rear

4768
02:49:37,736 --> 02:49:39,271
yard, we actually asked for the

4769
02:49:39,271 --> 02:49:41,306
foot to go up. Right? So this

4770
02:49:41,306 --> 02:49:43,800
is the rear facade. You can see

4771
02:49:43,800 --> 02:49:44,276
how it's actually very

4772
02:49:44,276 --> 02:49:46,676
compatible. It's very classical

4773
02:49:47,212 --> 02:49:49,348
in terms of a Florida type of

4774
02:49:49,348 --> 02:49:51,383
architecture. And the idea

4775
02:49:51,383 --> 02:49:53,285
behind it is that it's we

4776
02:49:53,285 --> 02:49:55,254
believe that strongly in

4777
02:49:55,254 --> 02:49:56,355
classical orders and classical

4778
02:49:56,355 --> 02:49:57,722
architecture, and we feel that

4779
02:49:57,722 --> 02:50:00,626
it's going to be appropriate

4780
02:50:00,626 --> 02:50:04,226
for the village of Key Biscayne.

4781
02:50:17,542 --> 02:50:21,142
And so having said that. Okay,

4782
02:50:21,212 --> 02:50:23,481
here we go. So the other thing

4783
02:50:23,481 --> 02:50:25,183
that we also didn't do is a

4784
02:50:25,183 --> 02:50:27,285
roundabout driveway, because we

4785
02:50:27,285 --> 02:50:28,420
really believe in green space

4786
02:50:28,420 --> 02:50:30,288
and architecture and gardens

4787
02:50:30,288 --> 02:50:33,888
and the whole thing. So here

4788
02:50:34,726 --> 02:50:37,362
you actually drive in two car

4789
02:50:37,362 --> 02:50:39,131
garage. You have a path that

4790
02:50:39,131 --> 02:50:41,399
goes in through this pergola.

4791
02:50:41,399 --> 02:50:44,803
So this is our our stairs that

4792
02:50:44,803 --> 02:50:46,104
are going up. You come to an

4793
02:50:46,104 --> 02:50:49,104
elevated garden, you walk to

4794
02:50:49,240 --> 02:50:51,142
your front door. You have a

4795
02:50:51,142 --> 02:50:53,245
path that goes all the way to

4796
02:50:53,245 --> 02:50:56,114
the rear yard, all the way to

4797
02:50:56,114 --> 02:50:59,714
the water. You have living room,

4798
02:51:01,554 --> 02:51:03,454
dining room. Back of house, bar,

4799
02:51:03,454 --> 02:51:05,900
kitchen, family room. So you

4800
02:51:05,900 --> 02:51:06,358
have the family room,

4801
02:51:06,358 --> 02:51:08,693
underwater dining on the water,

4802
02:51:08,693 --> 02:51:12,293
living on the water and his

4803
02:51:13,331 --> 02:51:15,401
office on the water. By by

4804
02:51:15,401 --> 02:51:18,401
giving this much garden space

4805
02:51:18,403 --> 02:51:20,338
to the street. We've actually

4806
02:51:20,338 --> 02:51:22,307
actually created a tighter area

4807
02:51:22,307 --> 02:51:24,142
in the back. But in order to

4808
02:51:24,142 --> 02:51:25,377
get the the larger, grander

4809
02:51:25,377 --> 02:51:27,780
spaces giving back to the

4810
02:51:27,780 --> 02:51:29,478
street without a fortified

4811
02:51:30,316 --> 02:51:32,650
facade, we've actually created

4812
02:51:32,650 --> 02:51:33,852
a ton of green space, not only

4813
02:51:33,852 --> 02:51:35,521
on the ground plane, but also

4814
02:51:35,521 --> 02:51:37,289
on the entrance. And we have a

4815
02:51:37,289 --> 02:51:40,726
structure on each side. And the

4816
02:51:40,726 --> 02:51:41,293
main house is actually probably

4817
02:51:41,293 --> 02:51:44,893
50ft from the street, if not

4818
02:51:45,497 --> 02:51:48,733
more so when you get to the

4819
02:51:48,733 --> 02:51:49,668
rear yard. We have a choice.

4820
02:51:49,668 --> 02:51:51,302
Either we add more steps, which

4821
02:51:51,302 --> 02:51:53,372
is another three steps, and you

4822
02:51:53,372 --> 02:51:55,273
can see how that's going to

4823
02:51:55,273 --> 02:51:56,708
encroach. So one of the things

4824
02:51:56,708 --> 02:51:59,144
that architects do, which is

4825
02:51:59,144 --> 02:52:00,445
the artistic part of it, is

4826
02:52:00,445 --> 02:52:02,213
what are we giving back to the

4827
02:52:02,213 --> 02:52:03,482
to the village of Key Biscayne.

4828
02:52:03,482 --> 02:52:04,416
That is an architecturally

4829
02:52:04,416 --> 02:52:06,518
significant move, right? And

4830
02:52:06,518 --> 02:52:08,787
we're giving up a lot of green

4831
02:52:08,787 --> 02:52:10,155
space and a lot of house that's

4832
02:52:10,155 --> 02:52:12,570
set back, which is a lot

4833
02:52:12,570 --> 02:52:13,225
different than a lot of the

4834
02:52:13,225 --> 02:52:15,393
houses that are going up right

4835
02:52:15,393 --> 02:52:16,595
now in density. So that's one

4836
02:52:16,595 --> 02:52:18,296
of the things that we're that

4837
02:52:18,296 --> 02:52:19,764
we're doing. So when it when it

4838
02:52:19,764 --> 02:52:21,533
comes to the hardship, it isn't

4839
02:52:21,533 --> 02:52:23,301
that the fact that there's a

4840
02:52:23,301 --> 02:52:25,700
that the lot is a wedge lot or

4841
02:52:25,700 --> 02:52:26,271
the lot is doing something

4842
02:52:26,271 --> 02:52:28,307
different. It's the fact that

4843
02:52:28,307 --> 02:52:30,707
we're managing flood criteria,

4844
02:52:30,742 --> 02:52:31,342
we're managing that. And how do

4845
02:52:31,342 --> 02:52:34,342
you do something beautiful and

4846
02:52:34,379 --> 02:52:36,415
look residential without having

4847
02:52:36,415 --> 02:52:39,684
such changes of level? And so

4848
02:52:39,684 --> 02:52:41,620
we thought that the more

4849
02:52:41,620 --> 02:52:44,620
responsible way and the less

4850
02:52:44,856 --> 02:52:46,424
monumental way is to have three

4851
02:52:46,424 --> 02:52:50,240
steps down from the house to

4852
02:52:50,195 --> 02:52:51,529
your garden, and as opposed to

4853
02:52:51,529 --> 02:52:52,464
six steps down from your house

4854
02:52:52,464 --> 02:52:54,165
to the garden, which would

4855
02:52:54,165 --> 02:52:56,401
encroach further into the rear

4856
02:52:56,401 --> 02:52:57,269
yard. So we've given up a lot

4857
02:52:57,269 --> 02:52:59,338
of elements, a lot of

4858
02:52:59,338 --> 02:53:01,306
architecture and gardens to the

4859
02:53:01,306 --> 02:53:03,208
street in order to, to to

4860
02:53:03,208 --> 02:53:06,208
achieve all the bonus points,

4861
02:53:06,378 --> 02:53:10,578
which is part of working in Key

4862
02:53:17,522 --> 02:53:19,224
Biscayne. And then. The other

4863
02:53:19,224 --> 02:53:22,327
thing that we deal with a lot

4864
02:53:22,327 --> 02:53:24,727
is hurricane having having

4865
02:53:26,331 --> 02:53:28,400
clients that have. To be able

4866
02:53:28,400 --> 02:53:30,268
to insure their property the

4867
02:53:30,268 --> 02:53:32,104
best way possible. And a lot of

4868
02:53:32,104 --> 02:53:35,104
that is having concrete roofs.

4869
02:53:35,340 --> 02:53:36,575
So when we when we deal with a

4870
02:53:36,575 --> 02:53:37,709
concrete roof and we're dealing

4871
02:53:37,709 --> 02:53:39,311
with a classical classical

4872
02:53:39,311 --> 02:53:41,180
style, which has to do with

4873
02:53:41,180 --> 02:53:43,214
eaves and all these other

4874
02:53:43,214 --> 02:53:45,416
things, we have to manage how

4875
02:53:45,416 --> 02:53:47,850
that system works with all the

4876
02:53:47,850 --> 02:53:49,287
rafters and everything else.

4877
02:53:49,287 --> 02:53:50,455
It's easy to say, just make

4878
02:53:50,455 --> 02:53:52,900
your house 18in smaller all the

4879
02:53:52,900 --> 02:53:54,590
way around and you can solve

4880
02:53:54,590 --> 02:53:55,327
that. But that's not really a

4881
02:53:55,327 --> 02:53:56,961
realistic solution. So we're

4882
02:53:56,961 --> 02:54:00,561
asking for a one foot variance

4883
02:54:01,499 --> 02:54:04,869
in order to make the house.

4884
02:54:04,869 --> 02:54:06,238
Something with Florida details,

4885
02:54:06,238 --> 02:54:08,440
large overhangs and all these

4886
02:54:08,440 --> 02:54:09,307
things. But the way we have to

4887
02:54:09,307 --> 02:54:11,943
fasten it is not always that

4888
02:54:11,943 --> 02:54:12,643
easy because we have to do like

4889
02:54:12,643 --> 02:54:14,178
clamps and bolts and all these

4890
02:54:14,178 --> 02:54:15,346
other things. The other thing

4891
02:54:15,346 --> 02:54:17,582
that happens is that when you

4892
02:54:17,582 --> 02:54:19,251
start to do that and you and

4893
02:54:19,251 --> 02:54:20,385
you were to lower it and it

4894
02:54:20,385 --> 02:54:21,653
creates a series of other

4895
02:54:21,653 --> 02:54:22,654
problems. But what happens more

4896
02:54:22,654 --> 02:54:24,222
importantly is when you're

4897
02:54:24,222 --> 02:54:25,691
dealing with balconies and

4898
02:54:25,691 --> 02:54:28,691
actually softer elements of the

4899
02:54:29,270 --> 02:54:29,627
house, then those raft, those

4900
02:54:29,627 --> 02:54:32,627
beams that come down actually

4901
02:54:33,231 --> 02:54:35,990
compress the line of sight. So

4902
02:54:35,990 --> 02:54:36,601
one of the things that also the

4903
02:54:36,601 --> 02:54:38,403
village of Cubicin has is

4904
02:54:38,403 --> 02:54:40,403
modern contemporary homes,

4905
02:54:40,872 --> 02:54:42,240
which have the 22 six plus

4906
02:54:42,240 --> 02:54:44,640
parapet, which makes them

4907
02:54:46,444 --> 02:54:49,444
probably close to 26 or 27ft

4908
02:54:50,150 --> 02:54:51,282
high. Right. So in your code

4909
02:54:51,282 --> 02:54:52,618
you have style. So there are

4910
02:54:52,618 --> 02:54:54,686
certain styles that allow you

4911
02:54:54,686 --> 02:54:56,454
to have a high parapet because

4912
02:54:56,454 --> 02:54:57,622
they're contemporary. And then

4913
02:54:57,622 --> 02:54:59,570
there are certain styles where

4914
02:54:59,570 --> 02:55:01,259
they're more classical that

4915
02:55:01,259 --> 02:55:02,260
have a little bit more of a

4916
02:55:02,260 --> 02:55:04,596
restriction, but we're not

4917
02:55:04,596 --> 02:55:05,196
exceeding our maximum height in

4918
02:55:05,196 --> 02:55:07,199
terms of our ridge. That's

4919
02:55:07,199 --> 02:55:09,234
still within the 35ft. We're

4920
02:55:09,234 --> 02:55:10,202
just saying that in order to do

4921
02:55:10,202 --> 02:55:12,203
something that is more a

4922
02:55:12,203 --> 02:55:13,738
Florida Florida classical style

4923
02:55:13,738 --> 02:55:16,738
and dealing with the the

4924
02:55:16,775 --> 02:55:18,610
criterias of insurances,

4925
02:55:18,610 --> 02:55:21,100
concrete roofs, flood criterias

4926
02:55:22,180 --> 02:55:24,516
that you're discussing changing

4927
02:55:24,516 --> 02:55:27,118
anyway. But I agree with Nancy

4928
02:55:27,118 --> 02:55:28,820
in a way. It's not it's not a

4929
02:55:28,820 --> 02:55:29,588
variance that you're saying

4930
02:55:29,588 --> 02:55:31,522
there's a there's a problem.

4931
02:55:31,522 --> 02:55:33,291
The problem is built into all

4932
02:55:33,291 --> 02:55:35,460
the things that we're having to

4933
02:55:35,460 --> 02:55:37,462
deal with in terms of the noise,

4934
02:55:37,462 --> 02:55:39,970
the flood criterias, which is

4935
02:55:39,970 --> 02:55:41,733
not normal problems. These are

4936
02:55:41,733 --> 02:55:42,534
problems that are thrust upon

4937
02:55:42,534 --> 02:55:45,103
the architects to try to solve

4938
02:55:45,103 --> 02:55:47,472
in the most meaningful way. And

4939
02:55:47,472 --> 02:55:49,775
so when we come to you for

4940
02:55:49,775 --> 02:55:51,775
something fairly insignificant

4941
02:55:51,977 --> 02:55:54,313
in the overall things that we

4942
02:55:54,313 --> 02:55:55,546
have to solve, I'm saying to

4943
02:55:55,546 --> 02:55:57,515
you that I'd rather have the

4944
02:55:57,515 --> 02:55:59,915
house more residential looking

4945
02:56:00,285 --> 02:56:02,888
than monumental looking. And so,

4946
02:56:02,888 --> 02:56:04,723
by the way, I can solve that is

4947
02:56:04,723 --> 02:56:06,458
by the same way that they

4948
02:56:06,458 --> 02:56:08,760
solved it in Key Biscayne in

4949
02:56:08,760 --> 02:56:10,161
1961, 1957 is you have three

4950
02:56:10,161 --> 02:56:11,195
steps up, you have two three

4951
02:56:11,195 --> 02:56:13,331
steps down, as opposed to a lot

4952
02:56:13,331 --> 02:56:14,565
of the houses that I'm seeing,

4953
02:56:14,565 --> 02:56:17,202
Biscayne that have ten steps up

4954
02:56:17,202 --> 02:56:19,700
and then ten steps down. And

4955
02:56:19,700 --> 02:56:20,137
that to me starts losing the

4956
02:56:20,137 --> 02:56:22,307
characteristics of a home. And

4957
02:56:22,307 --> 02:56:24,342
I think that's problematic. So

4958
02:56:24,342 --> 02:56:27,342
the architects that look into

4959
02:56:27,645 --> 02:56:30,182
the softness of homes, I think

4960
02:56:30,182 --> 02:56:32,317
I think that at least that's

4961
02:56:32,317 --> 02:56:35,553
what my goal is, is that it's

4962
02:56:35,553 --> 02:56:38,189
not something that you can say,

4963
02:56:38,189 --> 02:56:41,426
you know, I want to have no

4964
02:56:41,426 --> 02:56:42,593
fill and I want to have seven

4965
02:56:42,593 --> 02:56:44,362
steps down in the rear and

4966
02:56:44,362 --> 02:56:46,531
seven steps to the front. So

4967
02:56:46,531 --> 02:56:47,399
I'm trying to manage a lot of

4968
02:56:47,399 --> 02:56:49,799
moving parts, including your

4969
02:56:50,402 --> 02:56:53,402
code and including the esthetic.

4970
02:56:53,504 --> 02:56:56,274
And so I think that we've we've

4971
02:56:56,274 --> 02:56:58,342
come a long way in terms of, of

4972
02:56:58,342 --> 02:56:59,177
having a home that feels like a

4973
02:56:59,177 --> 02:57:01,279
home doesn't feel like an

4974
02:57:01,279 --> 02:57:03,381
apartment building. And I think

4975
02:57:03,381 --> 02:57:06,151
that what we're asking for in

4976
02:57:06,151 --> 02:57:07,318
terms of assistance, to make

4977
02:57:07,318 --> 02:57:09,621
sure that we're doing the right

4978
02:57:09,621 --> 02:57:13,910
thing, is a one foot variance

4979
02:57:13,910 --> 02:57:15,226
in terms of height, in terms of

4980
02:57:15,226 --> 02:57:17,280
fill, and a one foot variance

4981
02:57:17,280 --> 02:57:19,630
in terms of height, in terms of

4982
02:57:19,630 --> 02:57:20,565
how to manage a concrete roof

4983
02:57:20,565 --> 02:57:23,670
in an environment where clients

4984
02:57:23,670 --> 02:57:24,803
are asking for a lot of things.

4985
02:57:24,803 --> 02:57:27,605
So to make sure that they have

4986
02:57:27,605 --> 02:57:30,500
the least. Expensive insurances.

4987
02:57:31,510 --> 02:57:33,211
And so in working with, with

4988
02:57:33,211 --> 02:57:35,130
the staff, they've, they've,

4989
02:57:35,130 --> 02:57:37,181
they've done a great job

4990
02:57:37,181 --> 02:57:39,500
guiding us. And I think that

4991
02:57:39,500 --> 02:57:40,485
it's a home that I'm super

4992
02:57:40,485 --> 02:57:42,420
proud of. And it's for some

4993
02:57:42,420 --> 02:57:44,389
it's for the end user. And they

4994
02:57:44,389 --> 02:57:46,257
are Key Biscayne residents and

4995
02:57:46,257 --> 02:57:48,159
they're very happy and proud of

4996
02:57:48,159 --> 02:57:49,260
their home. That's basically

4997
02:57:49,260 --> 02:57:52,397
that. Do you have any questions?

4998
02:57:52,397 --> 02:57:55,997
I can answer them. How about

4999
02:57:56,300 --> 02:57:57,468
the the the the wall, the wall

5000
02:57:57,468 --> 02:57:59,171
variance that you're looking

5001
02:57:59,171 --> 02:58:01,373
for. That's the height I

5002
02:58:01,373 --> 02:58:02,474
thought I thought there was a

5003
02:58:02,474 --> 02:58:04,542
screening wall that you were

5004
02:58:04,542 --> 02:58:07,542
looking for. No, it's really

5005
02:58:08,113 --> 02:58:10,348
the 22 6 to 23 six okay. What's

5006
02:58:10,348 --> 02:58:12,748
the assumption you're making

5007
02:58:13,318 --> 02:58:16,454
for bv in the future in terms

5008
02:58:16,454 --> 02:58:17,455
of what it should be or what

5009
02:58:17,455 --> 02:58:19,490
we're going to have here in the

5010
02:58:19,490 --> 02:58:20,759
village? You're designing homes,

5011
02:58:20,759 --> 02:58:22,594
you're designing them at bfi

5012
02:58:22,594 --> 02:58:25,897
plus one and bf at bf plus one.

5013
02:58:25,897 --> 02:58:26,664
Okay. And for example Coral

5014
02:58:26,664 --> 02:58:28,499
Gables gives you bf plus three.

5015
02:58:28,499 --> 02:58:30,101
They're up to three plus three.

5016
02:58:30,101 --> 02:58:31,236
They're already. Yeah. And so

5017
02:58:31,236 --> 02:58:34,836
is Palm Beach and so is

5018
02:58:35,700 --> 02:58:35,606
everyone else. So and these are

5019
02:58:35,606 --> 02:58:37,309
also things that help you in

5020
02:58:37,309 --> 02:58:39,100
your insurances like no I

5021
02:58:39,100 --> 02:58:40,211
understand above. I'm just so

5022
02:58:40,211 --> 02:58:42,413
how do you manage plus three.

5023
02:58:42,413 --> 02:58:44,549
How do you manage plus three

5024
02:58:44,549 --> 02:58:45,416
with a with a code that says

5025
02:58:45,416 --> 02:58:47,816
8.5 it's impossible. So when

5026
02:58:49,220 --> 02:58:52,723
you're using bf now and which

5027
02:58:52,723 --> 02:58:53,491
is ten plus one is 11 plus two

5028
02:58:53,491 --> 02:58:55,593
and a half, right. That's eight

5029
02:58:55,593 --> 02:58:57,228
and a half. You want to do nine

5030
02:58:57,228 --> 02:58:59,364
and a half. We're doing nine

5031
02:58:59,364 --> 02:59:00,531
and nine and a half. It's eight

5032
02:59:00,531 --> 02:59:02,233
and a half now you're doing

5033
02:59:02,233 --> 02:59:04,335
eight and a half and you want

5034
02:59:04,335 --> 02:59:05,570
to do nine and a half. Correct.

5035
02:59:05,570 --> 02:59:07,338
So you're saying you want to

5036
02:59:07,338 --> 02:59:09,340
raise the one one one foot

5037
02:59:09,340 --> 02:59:10,609
which is bf plus 12 would be bf

5038
02:59:10,609 --> 02:59:13,377
minus two and a half. Right. So

5039
02:59:13,377 --> 02:59:14,445
if we went to bf plus two not

5040
02:59:14,445 --> 02:59:16,247
plus three you'd still be fine

5041
02:59:16,247 --> 02:59:18,516
then, right? But because we're

5042
02:59:18,516 --> 02:59:20,618
still bf plus one you're not.

5043
02:59:20,618 --> 02:59:22,153
And of course we have gone to

5044
02:59:22,153 --> 02:59:23,555
bf plus three like the other

5045
02:59:23,555 --> 02:59:25,190
people for telling our

5046
02:59:25,190 --> 02:59:27,491
engineers that's how to design

5047
02:59:27,491 --> 02:59:29,227
our storm sewer system and how

5048
02:59:29,227 --> 02:59:31,496
Key Biscayne will be, which

5049
02:59:31,496 --> 02:59:34,265
would then make you find bf

5050
02:59:34,265 --> 02:59:35,466
where you are, right? Plus two.

5051
02:59:35,466 --> 02:59:37,601
I think your other point is

5052
02:59:37,601 --> 02:59:38,369
this one and this is Nancy's

5053
02:59:38,369 --> 02:59:40,505
point as well. Let's say that

5054
02:59:40,505 --> 02:59:41,640
you went to bf plus three. That

5055
02:59:41,640 --> 02:59:43,708
doesn't affect your maximum

5056
02:59:43,708 --> 02:59:45,243
height. No, but the point is we

5057
02:59:45,243 --> 02:59:47,178
have now saying you can't be

5058
02:59:47,178 --> 02:59:48,379
more than 2.5ft below the below

5059
02:59:48,379 --> 02:59:50,448
that, correct? Correct. But the

5060
02:59:50,448 --> 02:59:51,549
other thing is this bf plus

5061
02:59:51,549 --> 02:59:52,283
three means you're going to be

5062
02:59:52,283 --> 02:59:54,683
from elevation eight to

5063
02:59:56,154 --> 02:59:57,555
elevation 13. I'm not. I'm

5064
02:59:57,555 --> 02:59:59,657
right. So in other words, how

5065
02:59:59,657 --> 03:00:00,858
are you going to make how are

5066
03:00:00,858 --> 03:00:02,693
you going to mitigate that.

5067
03:00:02,693 --> 03:00:03,294
Which is a bigger problem. You

5068
03:00:03,294 --> 03:00:04,828
know you're arguing with the

5069
03:00:04,828 --> 03:00:06,330
wrong guy. I'm supporting you.

5070
03:00:06,330 --> 03:00:07,766
Okay. So no, but I'm just

5071
03:00:07,766 --> 03:00:09,500
saying I'm trying to tell you

5072
03:00:09,500 --> 03:00:10,434
is what you're doing is

5073
03:00:10,434 --> 03:00:12,237
something why we have variances?

5074
03:00:12,237 --> 03:00:14,720
Because we haven't changed yet.

5075
03:00:14,720 --> 03:00:15,139
Although we've made changes and

5076
03:00:15,139 --> 03:00:16,541
tell people we're going to

5077
03:00:16,541 --> 03:00:17,909
change. We're designing things

5078
03:00:17,909 --> 03:00:19,543
to change. But we haven't

5079
03:00:19,543 --> 03:00:21,479
gotten around to actually doing

5080
03:00:21,479 --> 03:00:23,614
the change. So that's when a

5081
03:00:23,614 --> 03:00:24,315
variance comes in because it's

5082
03:00:24,315 --> 03:00:26,484
something we are definitely

5083
03:00:26,484 --> 03:00:28,484
changing. Everybody's changing.

5084
03:00:29,530 --> 03:00:31,822
But you're you're doing it

5085
03:00:31,822 --> 03:00:32,490
today before the change is done.

5086
03:00:32,490 --> 03:00:34,359
So that's why you're asking for

5087
03:00:34,359 --> 03:00:36,761
a variance that makes all the

5088
03:00:36,761 --> 03:00:37,461
sense in the world to me. Don't

5089
03:00:37,461 --> 03:00:39,197
say anything else. Questions I

5090
03:00:39,197 --> 03:00:41,833
have a quick question. How do

5091
03:00:41,833 --> 03:00:43,635
we how do we stop this from

5092
03:00:43,635 --> 03:00:46,204
becoming a PRESIDENT? By change,

5093
03:00:46,204 --> 03:00:48,720
by changing, by going ahead. We

5094
03:00:48,720 --> 03:00:50,575
said, plus three. Let's change

5095
03:00:50,575 --> 03:00:52,430
our code. Make it bf plus three.

5096
03:00:52,430 --> 03:00:53,611
I mean, that's all. I'll just

5097
03:00:53,611 --> 03:00:56,847
say that variances are not they

5098
03:00:56,847 --> 03:00:59,250
don't set a precedent, but they

5099
03:00:59,250 --> 03:01:02,250
could be persuasive. But each

5100
03:01:03,870 --> 03:01:06,687
one stands on its own. Yeah.

5101
03:01:08,826 --> 03:01:11,226
Okay. Well true. We're

5102
03:01:13,970 --> 03:01:14,265
experiencing owners

5103
03:01:14,265 --> 03:01:16,265
understanding this is

5104
03:01:17,535 --> 03:01:19,170
precedential. And they're

5105
03:01:19,170 --> 03:01:21,390
coming more frequently than

5106
03:01:21,390 --> 03:01:23,390
historically seeking variances

5107
03:01:23,174 --> 03:01:24,609
for all kinds of reasons.

5108
03:01:24,609 --> 03:01:26,143
There's no doubt that everyone

5109
03:01:26,143 --> 03:01:28,379
that gets approved, they will

5110
03:01:28,379 --> 03:01:30,114
stand up here and say that the

5111
03:01:30,114 --> 03:01:32,483
council approved, you know, one

5112
03:01:32,483 --> 03:01:34,850
here or there. But legally

5113
03:01:34,850 --> 03:01:35,286
speaking, they each stand on

5114
03:01:35,286 --> 03:01:38,422
their own. But I, I understand

5115
03:01:38,422 --> 03:01:40,492
your point. Would you help me

5116
03:01:40,492 --> 03:01:42,892
understand the wall height

5117
03:01:42,927 --> 03:01:44,562
justification? You talked about

5118
03:01:44,562 --> 03:01:46,962
roof construction and material.

5119
03:01:48,465 --> 03:01:50,134
I'm not sure I fully grasp the

5120
03:01:50,134 --> 03:01:52,534
complication that that presents

5121
03:01:52,570 --> 03:01:54,205
in terms of. One of the things

5122
03:01:54,205 --> 03:01:57,700
we're dealing with today is the

5123
03:01:57,700 --> 03:01:57,975
thought of concrete roofs. So

5124
03:01:57,975 --> 03:01:59,276
the concrete roofs, like 8 to

5125
03:01:59,276 --> 03:02:01,446
10in of concrete. I'm sorry, I

5126
03:02:01,446 --> 03:02:02,713
can't hear you either, can I?

5127
03:02:02,713 --> 03:02:04,882
So we're dealing with concrete

5128
03:02:04,882 --> 03:02:07,882
roofs, which are requests from

5129
03:02:07,985 --> 03:02:10,955
clients that are typically 8 to

5130
03:02:10,955 --> 03:02:13,224
10in of concrete, plus 8 to

5131
03:02:13,224 --> 03:02:16,930
10in of styrofoam and structure.

5132
03:02:16,930 --> 03:02:19,597
So you're dealing with a large

5133
03:02:19,597 --> 03:02:21,432
build up of, of concrete and,

5134
03:02:21,432 --> 03:02:23,734
and insulation and steel and

5135
03:02:23,734 --> 03:02:24,269
the whole thing. I don't

5136
03:02:24,269 --> 03:02:26,404
understand that being more

5137
03:02:26,404 --> 03:02:28,804
specific. Okay. If you

5138
03:02:28,940 --> 03:02:31,242
typically have a rafter, it's

5139
03:02:31,242 --> 03:02:34,440
like for a wood rafter, like a

5140
03:02:34,440 --> 03:02:35,346
truss, the top chord is like

5141
03:02:35,346 --> 03:02:37,315
four inches, six inches, 4 to

5142
03:02:37,315 --> 03:02:38,316
6in, right? When you're dealing

5143
03:02:38,316 --> 03:02:41,316
with a concrete roof, you're

5144
03:02:43,221 --> 03:02:44,922
dealing with about 12 to 14in.

5145
03:02:44,922 --> 03:02:46,423
No, no. What's what kind of

5146
03:02:46,423 --> 03:02:48,459
span are you talking about? Can

5147
03:02:48,459 --> 03:02:49,860
I can I jump in because I think

5148
03:02:49,860 --> 03:02:52,163
I think I understand the

5149
03:02:52,163 --> 03:02:54,365
question. So, you know,

5150
03:02:54,365 --> 03:02:56,233
historically it's not about the

5151
03:02:56,233 --> 03:02:58,269
it's not about the spans or the

5152
03:02:58,269 --> 03:03:00,371
trusses. This is about

5153
03:03:00,371 --> 03:03:02,371
insurance carriers greatly

5154
03:03:02,439 --> 03:03:03,875
prefer that you have a concrete

5155
03:03:03,875 --> 03:03:05,710
roof structure, whether it's

5156
03:03:05,710 --> 03:03:07,445
sloped or flat. Yeah. You get

5157
03:03:07,445 --> 03:03:10,445
mitigation credits for it. And

5158
03:03:11,316 --> 03:03:11,815
the idea is if you have a

5159
03:03:11,815 --> 03:03:12,617
penetration through the

5160
03:03:12,617 --> 03:03:14,319
membrane, through the

5161
03:03:14,319 --> 03:03:16,319
waterproof membrane, when

5162
03:03:16,854 --> 03:03:18,489
that's a concrete substructure,

5163
03:03:18,489 --> 03:03:19,323
the structure doesn't fail.

5164
03:03:19,323 --> 03:03:21,392
When it's a wood substructure,

5165
03:03:21,392 --> 03:03:22,227
you get rot. You get an

5166
03:03:22,227 --> 03:03:24,395
eventual failure of the

5167
03:03:24,395 --> 03:03:25,563
structure from a leak that you

5168
03:03:25,563 --> 03:03:27,131
don't. You're not as vulnerable

5169
03:03:27,131 --> 03:03:29,466
with with a concrete structure.

5170
03:03:29,466 --> 03:03:33,666
So but as you can imagine, you

5171
03:03:33,805 --> 03:03:34,372
know, a wood rafter has that

5172
03:03:34,372 --> 03:03:36,772
has a certain dimension

5173
03:03:37,108 --> 03:03:38,409
structural dimensions for wood

5174
03:03:38,409 --> 03:03:41,212
versus concrete for long spans

5175
03:03:41,212 --> 03:03:43,447
isn't that different. But when

5176
03:03:43,447 --> 03:03:45,283
you go up from there, from the

5177
03:03:45,283 --> 03:03:47,151
inside to the outside, that's

5178
03:03:47,151 --> 03:03:50,151
where the concrete structure is

5179
03:03:50,721 --> 03:03:52,356
a lot thicker. You know, a wood

5180
03:03:52,356 --> 03:03:53,824
structure, you have plywood

5181
03:03:53,824 --> 03:03:55,159
sheathing and then you really

5182
03:03:55,159 --> 03:03:57,662
very quickly after that you

5183
03:03:57,662 --> 03:03:59,197
have the waterproof membrane

5184
03:03:59,197 --> 03:04:02,299
with the concrete, you have a

5185
03:04:02,299 --> 03:04:03,133
thicker layer and then you have

5186
03:04:03,133 --> 03:04:05,436
the insulation, everything else

5187
03:04:05,436 --> 03:04:07,972
too. So you tend to have a

5188
03:04:07,972 --> 03:04:09,440
thicker overall dimension for

5189
03:04:09,440 --> 03:04:11,409
concrete roof. But how does

5190
03:04:11,409 --> 03:04:12,510
that affect the overall height?

5191
03:04:12,510 --> 03:04:14,244
How does that affect anything?

5192
03:04:14,244 --> 03:04:18,444
Oh okay. Let him take it. So

5193
03:04:20,384 --> 03:04:22,353
what happens is that. If we

5194
03:04:22,353 --> 03:04:24,321
take it if we if we take it out

5195
03:04:24,321 --> 03:04:26,157
of the house, we'd be going

5196
03:04:26,157 --> 03:04:28,393
down a foot and a half or a

5197
03:04:28,393 --> 03:04:29,293
foot. What if we, if we, if we

5198
03:04:29,293 --> 03:04:32,229
push that down to, to actually

5199
03:04:32,229 --> 03:04:33,631
become like a truss. The end

5200
03:04:33,631 --> 03:04:35,532
rafter of a truss is about six

5201
03:04:35,532 --> 03:04:38,369
inches. Right. And that sits

5202
03:04:38,369 --> 03:04:41,472
right on top of the concrete

5203
03:04:41,472 --> 03:04:43,474
beam, the the rafter. The truss

5204
03:04:43,474 --> 03:04:45,510
sits right on top of the sits

5205
03:04:45,510 --> 03:04:47,311
on top of the truss, not the

5206
03:04:47,311 --> 03:04:49,547
upper court. The top court.

5207
03:04:49,547 --> 03:04:51,415
Let's see. Yeah okay okay. And

5208
03:04:51,415 --> 03:04:54,185
so that dimension is six with

5209
03:04:54,185 --> 03:04:56,153
concrete. It's more like like

5210
03:04:56,153 --> 03:04:58,323
12 to 14 depending on the size

5211
03:04:58,323 --> 03:05:00,124
of of the span and your house.

5212
03:05:00,124 --> 03:05:01,559
There's no way it's going to be

5213
03:05:01,559 --> 03:05:03,127
more than an eight inch.

5214
03:05:03,127 --> 03:05:04,461
Shouldn't be more than an eight

5215
03:05:04,461 --> 03:05:06,263
inch thick. So okay. So let me

5216
03:05:06,263 --> 03:05:07,364
just take a little bit further.

5217
03:05:07,364 --> 03:05:09,600
The way the concrete roof

5218
03:05:09,600 --> 03:05:13,437
systems work is that there is a

5219
03:05:13,437 --> 03:05:15,837
steel. Let's say partitioned

5220
03:05:16,174 --> 03:05:18,976
like a, like an aluminum

5221
03:05:18,976 --> 03:05:20,244
partition with 6 to 8in of

5222
03:05:20,244 --> 03:05:21,712
styrofoam. The aluminum

5223
03:05:21,712 --> 03:05:23,414
partition that holds up the

5224
03:05:23,414 --> 03:05:25,349
styrofoam. The styrofoam is

5225
03:05:25,349 --> 03:05:27,852
what the concrete is poured on

5226
03:05:27,852 --> 03:05:30,220
top of. And so you're dealing

5227
03:05:30,220 --> 03:05:32,189
with a thick assembly in order

5228
03:05:32,189 --> 03:05:34,358
to make that concrete roof work.

5229
03:05:34,358 --> 03:05:36,394
Right? Isn't it? Isn't like

5230
03:05:36,394 --> 03:05:39,994
truss is an icynene. It's it's

5231
03:05:40,331 --> 03:05:41,599
the, the the 6 to 8in of

5232
03:05:41,599 --> 03:05:44,235
styrofoam is what supports the

5233
03:05:44,235 --> 03:05:46,337
concrete pour on top. So if we

5234
03:05:46,337 --> 03:05:48,105
were to push all that down to

5235
03:05:48,105 --> 03:05:51,740
be like a truss, we would be

5236
03:05:51,740 --> 03:05:53,770
going down probably like ten

5237
03:05:53,770 --> 03:05:55,477
inches, 12in. I understand

5238
03:05:56,800 --> 03:05:58,282
correctly, you're saying that

5239
03:05:58,282 --> 03:06:01,151
you're using styrofoam. As for

5240
03:06:01,151 --> 03:06:03,454
material, styrofoam with steel

5241
03:06:03,454 --> 03:06:05,656
in between the styrofoam panels

5242
03:06:05,656 --> 03:06:08,325
come like every 3 or 4ft. So

5243
03:06:08,325 --> 03:06:10,227
these so these frame it in

5244
03:06:10,227 --> 03:06:12,296
steel. So insulation panels now.

5245
03:06:12,296 --> 03:06:13,530
Yes it's it's built into the

5246
03:06:13,530 --> 03:06:15,633
insulation as well. My

5247
03:06:15,633 --> 03:06:17,202
translation of this if I have

5248
03:06:17,202 --> 03:06:18,603
this accurately is because the

5249
03:06:18,603 --> 03:06:20,704
structure that sits underneath

5250
03:06:20,704 --> 03:06:23,704
the concrete is so thick

5251
03:06:23,774 --> 03:06:26,243
compared to a regular roof.

5252
03:06:26,243 --> 03:06:29,243
You're you're delving down into

5253
03:06:29,613 --> 03:06:31,615
the dimension of the house. And

5254
03:06:31,615 --> 03:06:33,217
so you want extra height to

5255
03:06:33,217 --> 03:06:35,218
mitigate that effect. Correct.

5256
03:06:35,218 --> 03:06:36,720
Is that is that a fair. That's

5257
03:06:36,720 --> 03:06:38,322
exactly right. And you're using

5258
03:06:38,322 --> 03:06:40,624
that instead of using sprayed

5259
03:06:40,624 --> 03:06:42,526
cell foam insulation between

5260
03:06:42,526 --> 03:06:44,628
the rafters. Correct. Right.

5261
03:06:44,628 --> 03:06:46,230
The styrofoam is the insulation.

5262
03:06:46,230 --> 03:06:47,465
Yeah. But I mean yes, but

5263
03:06:47,465 --> 03:06:50,234
you're getting all this extra I

5264
03:06:50,234 --> 03:06:52,236
mean to me again I'm all for

5265
03:06:52,236 --> 03:06:53,570
your first variance. But you

5266
03:06:53,570 --> 03:06:55,573
haven't said a damn thing on

5267
03:06:55,573 --> 03:06:56,407
this one. That makes me think

5268
03:06:56,407 --> 03:06:58,750
you need the second variance

5269
03:06:58,750 --> 03:06:59,677
based on this, because there's

5270
03:06:59,677 --> 03:07:01,445
other construction methods to

5271
03:07:01,445 --> 03:07:03,213
use in insulating the house

5272
03:07:03,213 --> 03:07:05,316
that you don't have to go with

5273
03:07:05,316 --> 03:07:07,384
it. Now, of course you want to

5274
03:07:07,384 --> 03:07:08,319
use that method. That's fine. I

5275
03:07:08,319 --> 03:07:09,420
don't disagree with you. Maybe

5276
03:07:09,420 --> 03:07:11,422
that's the best method for you,

5277
03:07:11,422 --> 03:07:12,423
but it's certainly not the only

5278
03:07:12,423 --> 03:07:14,392
method where you would not have

5279
03:07:14,392 --> 03:07:16,126
to add any, any height to the

5280
03:07:16,126 --> 03:07:19,230
to the property. So I would say

5281
03:07:19,230 --> 03:07:20,864
in the last eight out of ten

5282
03:07:20,864 --> 03:07:22,332
homes we've done with concrete

5283
03:07:22,332 --> 03:07:24,368
roofs. Yeah. And the reason why

5284
03:07:24,368 --> 03:07:26,203
the clients are requiring or

5285
03:07:26,203 --> 03:07:27,170
requesting it is because it it

5286
03:07:27,170 --> 03:07:29,170
actually lowers their

5287
03:07:30,974 --> 03:07:33,610
insurances. And you don't get

5288
03:07:33,610 --> 03:07:35,412
that with, with trusses. And so

5289
03:07:35,412 --> 03:07:39,116
part of the issue is that all

5290
03:07:39,116 --> 03:07:41,185
due respect you're wrong. Well

5291
03:07:41,185 --> 03:07:44,121
then we should talk to eight of

5292
03:07:44,121 --> 03:07:46,323
my clients. So and let me ask

5293
03:07:46,323 --> 03:07:47,658
you this. Why are you saying

5294
03:07:47,658 --> 03:07:49,560
that? You're right. Because

5295
03:07:49,560 --> 03:07:50,360
basically you get a credit for

5296
03:07:50,360 --> 03:07:52,429
the connection between the

5297
03:07:52,429 --> 03:07:54,131
concrete roof and the wall

5298
03:07:54,131 --> 03:07:55,399
structure. You don't get a

5299
03:07:55,399 --> 03:07:58,399
credit for the for the

5300
03:07:58,503 --> 03:07:59,470
horizontal vertical areas, okay?

5301
03:07:59,470 --> 03:08:01,870
That they're you're getting

5302
03:08:02,106 --> 03:08:04,274
your credit connection and

5303
03:08:04,274 --> 03:08:05,543
concrete that you have there.

5304
03:08:05,543 --> 03:08:07,411
That's what you're getting your

5305
03:08:07,411 --> 03:08:09,313
mitigation credits for okay.

5306
03:08:09,313 --> 03:08:10,481
And you made your mitigation

5307
03:08:10,481 --> 03:08:12,316
credit still is basically

5308
03:08:12,316 --> 03:08:15,316
windows and doors. I don't

5309
03:08:15,419 --> 03:08:18,222
agree with that okay. So so the

5310
03:08:18,222 --> 03:08:20,124
driver here is not interior

5311
03:08:20,124 --> 03:08:22,359
wall height to ceiling. It's

5312
03:08:22,359 --> 03:08:24,359
roof structure through

5313
03:08:24,495 --> 03:08:25,296
structure so as not to

5314
03:08:25,296 --> 03:08:27,498
penetrate down into the

5315
03:08:27,498 --> 03:08:29,733
dimension of the house itself.

5316
03:08:29,733 --> 03:08:31,235
Correct. You're not using roof

5317
03:08:31,235 --> 03:08:34,104
trusses, right? No. It's all

5318
03:08:34,104 --> 03:08:36,339
poured concrete with insulation

5319
03:08:36,339 --> 03:08:38,420
which is built into the system.

5320
03:08:38,420 --> 03:08:41,420
It's like you're buying a

5321
03:08:44,247 --> 03:08:46,350
system, right? So if you if you

5322
03:08:46,350 --> 03:08:49,950
would not raise the the height

5323
03:08:50,220 --> 03:08:53,240
of the, the the. Structure, how

5324
03:08:53,240 --> 03:08:54,658
what would the difference in

5325
03:08:54,658 --> 03:08:56,694
height be. Would it be a foot

5326
03:08:56,694 --> 03:08:58,295
basically. Right. Right. Okay.

5327
03:08:58,295 --> 03:09:00,931
So so how what is the ceiling

5328
03:09:00,931 --> 03:09:04,531
height on the second level from

5329
03:09:16,213 --> 03:09:17,381
slab to finish fourth. I'm, I'm

5330
03:09:17,381 --> 03:09:20,381
thinking I remember it being

5331
03:09:21,118 --> 03:09:22,519
like nine feet. So if it would

5332
03:09:22,519 --> 03:09:24,155
go down it would go down to

5333
03:09:24,155 --> 03:09:25,422
like about eight. And to be

5334
03:09:25,422 --> 03:09:27,357
honest with you on your drawing.

5335
03:09:27,357 --> 03:09:29,920
Right. I mean, just have to

5336
03:09:29,920 --> 03:09:31,962
pull it in. Yeah, but let me

5337
03:09:31,962 --> 03:09:37,362
see if I can. Let me see if it

5338
03:09:40,404 --> 03:09:43,941
can be clear. Let me see.

5339
03:09:43,941 --> 03:09:45,810
Jeremy, can you help me pull

5340
03:09:45,810 --> 03:09:47,110
that in? Is it possible to

5341
03:09:47,110 --> 03:09:48,879
mitigation credits for

5342
03:09:48,879 --> 03:09:50,581
insurance for Florida residents?

5343
03:09:50,581 --> 03:09:54,181
It's the section b right there,

5344
03:10:04,495 --> 03:10:08,950
right? Hey, Siri, what is the

5345
03:10:08,966 --> 03:10:11,966
list of mitigation credits for

5346
03:10:12,802 --> 03:10:15,202
insurance for section homes?

5347
03:10:19,142 --> 03:10:22,460
There you go. Right there. Are.

5348
03:10:22,460 --> 03:10:24,548
Zoom in on zoom in as needed.

5349
03:10:24,548 --> 03:10:26,750
It might take a moment to for

5350
03:10:26,750 --> 03:10:30,350
the resolution to come in. Yeah,

5351
03:10:30,353 --> 03:10:34,553
but. It's there. So it's so the

5352
03:10:35,726 --> 03:10:39,663
top of the. Looks like it's ten

5353
03:10:39,663 --> 03:10:40,931
ten feet two right. Yeah.

5354
03:10:40,931 --> 03:10:43,734
That's ten feet two to the top

5355
03:10:43,734 --> 03:10:46,734
of the concrete. Right. So

5356
03:10:47,704 --> 03:10:49,273
right. It's probably so if you

5357
03:10:49,273 --> 03:10:51,508
elevation nine. So if you lose

5358
03:10:51,508 --> 03:10:53,210
a foot there the ceiling would

5359
03:10:53,210 --> 03:10:55,178
only be nine feet. It would go

5360
03:10:55,178 --> 03:10:57,548
lower than nine at that point.

5361
03:10:57,548 --> 03:10:59,182
Yeah. Yeah. With nine. Well

5362
03:10:59,182 --> 03:11:01,218
it's ten two now. So if you

5363
03:11:01,218 --> 03:11:03,120
take a foot out it would be

5364
03:11:03,120 --> 03:11:04,188
nine two. Right. Well ten foot

5365
03:11:04,188 --> 03:11:06,356
two is to the, to the top of

5366
03:11:06,356 --> 03:11:07,992
the, to the top of the beam.

5367
03:11:07,992 --> 03:11:09,493
Right. Top of the roof. Right,

5368
03:11:09,493 --> 03:11:10,460
right. So there's really only

5369
03:11:10,460 --> 03:11:12,595
nine. Well that's to the and

5370
03:11:12,595 --> 03:11:15,231
you have a vaulted section.

5371
03:11:15,231 --> 03:11:16,533
Yeah. So what we what we. So if

5372
03:11:16,533 --> 03:11:19,303
you notice with the concrete

5373
03:11:19,303 --> 03:11:21,172
roof there is no trusses. So we

5374
03:11:21,172 --> 03:11:23,273
can actually at that point go

5375
03:11:23,273 --> 03:11:25,341
up a little bit with the

5376
03:11:25,341 --> 03:11:27,144
ceilings. Yeah. But our spring

5377
03:11:27,144 --> 03:11:28,512
point would be like at nine in

5378
03:11:28,512 --> 03:11:30,447
the main area. So but the lower

5379
03:11:30,447 --> 03:11:31,381
the whatever that is bedroom

5380
03:11:31,381 --> 03:11:33,650
area there is where the shower

5381
03:11:33,650 --> 03:11:34,651
bathroom is. It looks like

5382
03:11:34,651 --> 03:11:36,987
that's nine feet. Right. And

5383
03:11:36,987 --> 03:11:38,889
you can see where the edge of

5384
03:11:38,889 --> 03:11:40,625
the, of the styrofoam, it's

5385
03:11:40,625 --> 03:11:42,426
right at the bottom of the

5386
03:11:42,426 --> 03:11:44,794
insulation. And if you were to

5387
03:11:44,794 --> 03:11:46,363
have trusses, you would have

5388
03:11:46,363 --> 03:11:48,999
all that space up. Yeah. So so

5389
03:11:48,999 --> 03:11:51,301
they've got this massive

5390
03:11:51,301 --> 03:11:52,570
insulation. How many inches of,

5391
03:11:52,570 --> 03:11:55,372
of styrofoam you have. Looks

5392
03:11:55,372 --> 03:11:57,507
like about it. It all depends

5393
03:11:57,507 --> 03:12:01,707
on the r rating, but I think

5394
03:12:01,745 --> 03:12:04,745
it's about 8 or 9in. Yeah.

5395
03:12:05,415 --> 03:12:07,815
What's required are 30. Yeah.

5396
03:12:07,951 --> 03:12:08,552
But when you have like rigid

5397
03:12:08,552 --> 03:12:10,788
insulation it's actually. No

5398
03:12:10,788 --> 03:12:13,188
but what's required Arthur.

5399
03:12:13,524 --> 03:12:15,458
Arthur. So the other thing

5400
03:12:15,458 --> 03:12:17,660
that's important, Edward, is

5401
03:12:17,660 --> 03:12:20,630
this, that the insulation by

5402
03:12:20,630 --> 03:12:21,265
the styrofoam is part of the

5403
03:12:21,265 --> 03:12:22,933
insulation. I understand, but

5404
03:12:22,933 --> 03:12:25,350
it's actually sometimes thicker

5405
03:12:25,350 --> 03:12:26,269
because it's also somewhat

5406
03:12:26,269 --> 03:12:28,439
structural. In other words,

5407
03:12:28,439 --> 03:12:29,706
it's it's actually like a thick

5408
03:12:29,706 --> 03:12:31,474
enough, dense enough styrofoam

5409
03:12:31,474 --> 03:12:33,677
that it's actually going to

5410
03:12:33,677 --> 03:12:36,677
hold the, the metal channels

5411
03:12:42,352 --> 03:12:45,952
that are holding it in place.

5412
03:12:50,293 --> 03:12:53,293
Mayor and a vice mayor.

5413
03:12:57,167 --> 03:12:59,567
Designated survivor. The the

5414
03:12:59,602 --> 03:13:02,305
lower level is what that looks

5415
03:13:02,305 --> 03:13:03,673
like. It's 12 two. I don't know

5416
03:13:03,673 --> 03:13:04,241
where you're reading. Where are

5417
03:13:04,241 --> 03:13:06,210
you reading? Look at the

5418
03:13:06,210 --> 03:13:07,377
section on the on the side

5419
03:13:07,377 --> 03:13:09,279
there's there's a section view.

5420
03:13:09,279 --> 03:13:11,548
I can't read that. Okay. Well,

5421
03:13:11,548 --> 03:13:13,450
it's pretty tough to read. Yeah.

5422
03:13:13,450 --> 03:13:17,650
It's to it's to actually top of

5423
03:13:19,590 --> 03:13:21,492
top of slab. Oh yeah. There's

5424
03:13:21,492 --> 03:13:23,394
12. There's on the side. Yeah

5425
03:13:23,394 --> 03:13:25,462
I'm trying to do that. How are

5426
03:13:25,462 --> 03:13:28,462
you doing. I'm fine. Pulling

5427
03:13:30,000 --> 03:13:33,600
over to the side. With two

5428
03:13:35,305 --> 03:13:38,608
fingers. Oh great. Let me just

5429
03:13:38,608 --> 03:13:41,278
do this. Oh I'll just go to the

5430
03:13:41,278 --> 03:13:44,878
side. There you go. A little

5431
03:13:44,915 --> 03:13:47,915
farther. There. There we go.

5432
03:13:53,356 --> 03:13:55,258
Okay. So 13 three. So I mean,

5433
03:13:55,258 --> 03:13:58,258
well that's that's from slap

5434
03:13:58,495 --> 03:14:02,695
slap. Yeah. So we have a ten

5435
03:14:03,132 --> 03:14:05,802
foot ceilings inside. Well a

5436
03:14:05,802 --> 03:14:06,903
couple of thoughts occur to me

5437
03:14:06,903 --> 03:14:08,105
design wise, one of the

5438
03:14:08,105 --> 03:14:10,105
challenges that you've

5439
03:14:10,206 --> 03:14:12,606
described are indeed challenges.

5440
03:14:12,776 --> 03:14:14,177
Everybody's affected by them. I

5441
03:14:14,177 --> 03:14:16,177
think our considerations

5442
03:14:17,814 --> 03:14:19,783
include somewhat trying to

5443
03:14:19,783 --> 03:14:22,218
control the metastasis of sugar

5444
03:14:22,218 --> 03:14:24,487
cubes, the replication of the

5445
03:14:24,487 --> 03:14:26,156
same contemporary design over

5446
03:14:26,156 --> 03:14:29,756
and over and over again. This

5447
03:14:30,227 --> 03:14:33,230
does that. The height of the

5448
03:14:33,230 --> 03:14:36,320
visual of the door being so

5449
03:14:36,320 --> 03:14:37,667
elevated and creating a sense

5450
03:14:37,667 --> 03:14:40,667
of verticality is a problem.

5451
03:14:43,400 --> 03:14:45,341
You've addressed that. And you

5452
03:14:45,341 --> 03:14:48,411
know, it's a it's an esthetic

5453
03:14:48,411 --> 03:14:49,846
design with lots of landscaping.

5454
03:14:49,846 --> 03:14:51,448
So congratulations on all of

5455
03:14:51,448 --> 03:14:53,848
that. We're obviously wrestling

5456
03:14:55,352 --> 03:14:56,319
with these, by the way. You

5457
03:14:56,319 --> 03:14:58,355
should all be wrestling with it

5458
03:14:58,355 --> 03:14:59,490
because we're all wrestling

5459
03:14:59,490 --> 03:15:01,291
with it. And and the question

5460
03:15:01,291 --> 03:15:04,328
you have to ask yourself is

5461
03:15:04,328 --> 03:15:06,530
what kind of designs are. So

5462
03:15:06,530 --> 03:15:09,332
let's say that I did know front

5463
03:15:09,332 --> 03:15:12,335
yard know garden. And I had six

5464
03:15:12,335 --> 03:15:14,338
feet of steps. Here's a little

5465
03:15:14,338 --> 03:15:15,472
mitigation credits. In this

5466
03:15:15,472 --> 03:15:16,640
particular case we're hiding

5467
03:15:16,640 --> 03:15:19,420
the steps within the gardens.

5468
03:15:19,420 --> 03:15:20,176
Yeah he doesn't need it. So one

5469
03:15:20,176 --> 03:15:21,444
of the things that I give

5470
03:15:21,444 --> 03:15:23,146
lectures on is the dialog

5471
03:15:23,146 --> 03:15:24,213
between gardens and

5472
03:15:24,213 --> 03:15:26,316
architecture. And so one of the

5473
03:15:26,316 --> 03:15:28,818
things that I hope you see is

5474
03:15:28,818 --> 03:15:29,586
that there is a there's a huge

5475
03:15:29,586 --> 03:15:31,521
combination of gardens and

5476
03:15:31,521 --> 03:15:33,924
architecture. And I think that

5477
03:15:33,924 --> 03:15:35,559
that's what makes it feel like

5478
03:15:35,559 --> 03:15:36,760
a home, because it sits on the

5479
03:15:36,760 --> 03:15:40,360
ground as opposed to five feet

5480
03:15:41,310 --> 03:15:42,833
up. Looks great. We see that in

5481
03:15:42,833 --> 03:15:46,336
theory, we see too little of it

5482
03:15:46,336 --> 03:15:49,336
in actuality, right. All right,

5483
03:15:51,541 --> 03:15:53,760
folks, we got. Let's do ten

5484
03:15:53,760 --> 03:15:55,450
first. That's looks a little

5485
03:15:55,450 --> 03:15:57,513
bit easier. That's the that's

5486
03:15:57,513 --> 03:15:59,516
the rear lot. Make a motion for

5487
03:15:59,516 --> 03:16:00,216
approval. I'm sorry. It's

5488
03:16:00,216 --> 03:16:02,616
already been moved. Already

5489
03:16:04,154 --> 03:16:07,154
moved. Mayor Roscoe, are you

5490
03:16:07,157 --> 03:16:10,757
ready to vote? Oh, sorry. We

5491
03:16:15,598 --> 03:16:17,534
are. We got it. You. Second,

5492
03:16:17,534 --> 03:16:19,934
Councilmember Kaplan moves the

5493
03:16:20,670 --> 03:16:23,700
item, and Councilmember London

5494
03:16:23,173 --> 03:16:26,773
had seconded. And there are no

5495
03:16:26,776 --> 03:16:28,111
changes that I. Okay on any

5496
03:16:28,111 --> 03:16:29,345
mayor Roscoe. Yes.

5497
03:16:29,345 --> 03:16:31,314
Councilmember. Bracken. Yes.

5498
03:16:31,314 --> 03:16:32,249
Councilmember. Kaplan. Yes.

5499
03:16:32,249 --> 03:16:34,249
Councilmember. London. Yes.

5500
03:16:35,385 --> 03:16:37,421
Vice mayor. Yes. Councilmember.

5501
03:16:37,421 --> 03:16:39,421
Stoner. Yes. Councilmember.

5502
03:16:41,724 --> 03:16:44,694
Vazquez. Yes. The resolution is

5503
03:16:44,694 --> 03:16:47,940
approved. Motion carries the

5504
03:16:49,980 --> 03:16:52,698
next item ten f okay. Any

5505
03:16:54,804 --> 03:16:56,339
further discussion on ten out.

5506
03:16:56,339 --> 03:16:58,942
If you would take the height

5507
03:16:58,942 --> 03:17:01,945
out of the lower level and just

5508
03:17:01,945 --> 03:17:03,379
shrink the the the the ceiling

5509
03:17:03,379 --> 03:17:05,181
on the on the first floor, what

5510
03:17:05,181 --> 03:17:08,251
would that do to your design.

5511
03:17:08,251 --> 03:17:10,453
Well, we end up having. Eight

5512
03:17:10,453 --> 03:17:13,489
foot doors, which is normal for

5513
03:17:13,489 --> 03:17:16,493
a house like this. And so we

5514
03:17:16,493 --> 03:17:19,262
have I think. Ten foot ceilings

5515
03:17:19,262 --> 03:17:21,631
inside. So because we have all

5516
03:17:21,631 --> 03:17:23,433
the cavities for ac ducts and

5517
03:17:23,433 --> 03:17:26,433
everything else. So it would

5518
03:17:26,936 --> 03:17:28,471
start to limit ceiling designs

5519
03:17:28,471 --> 03:17:31,241
and all these other things. Ten

5520
03:17:31,241 --> 03:17:33,276
foot ceilings is is probably

5521
03:17:33,276 --> 03:17:35,178
low for a lot of the houses in

5522
03:17:35,178 --> 03:17:37,380
Key Biscayne. So I think it's a

5523
03:17:37,380 --> 03:17:40,380
normal ceiling height that we

5524
03:17:45,822 --> 03:17:49,159
would want in a house like this.

5525
03:17:49,159 --> 03:17:51,527
Quick question. Are you ready?

5526
03:17:51,527 --> 03:17:54,527
I'm ready. All right. Council

5527
03:17:54,798 --> 03:17:56,798
member Bracken. No.

5528
03:17:57,467 --> 03:17:58,602
Councilmember Kaplan. Yes.

5529
03:17:58,602 --> 03:18:00,602
Councilmember. London. Yes.

5530
03:18:01,671 --> 03:18:04,710
Vice mayor Sardinia's. No.

5531
03:18:04,207 --> 03:18:06,207
Councilmember. Stoner. No.

5532
03:18:06,376 --> 03:18:08,376
Councilmember. Vazquez. Yes.

5533
03:18:10,213 --> 03:18:12,613
Mayor. Roscoe. Yes. Motion

5534
03:18:15,451 --> 03:18:17,353
carries. Thank you very much.

5535
03:18:17,353 --> 03:18:19,389
And just so you hear it from my

5536
03:18:19,389 --> 03:18:21,124
side, I think that you're

5537
03:18:21,124 --> 03:18:23,426
questioning all these things is

5538
03:18:23,426 --> 03:18:25,328
actually a great thing. And I

5539
03:18:25,328 --> 03:18:27,230
think hopefully today I gave

5540
03:18:27,230 --> 03:18:28,364
you some insight on what we're

5541
03:18:28,364 --> 03:18:31,234
going through as well. So thank

5542
03:18:31,234 --> 03:18:33,570
you. Thank you sir. Thank you.

5543
03:18:33,570 --> 03:18:35,570
Thanks. Design. Beautiful

5544
03:18:38,942 --> 03:18:41,942
design. Yeah. Okay. Let's go

5545
03:18:43,814 --> 03:18:44,948
back to nine b the mitigation

5546
03:18:44,948 --> 03:18:47,517
credits I know exactly which

5547
03:18:47,517 --> 03:18:48,351
ones okay. Ordinance on second

5548
03:18:48,351 --> 03:18:49,653
reading, an ordinance of the

5549
03:18:49,653 --> 03:18:51,821
village of Key Biscayne,

5550
03:18:51,821 --> 03:18:52,389
Florida, concerning the

5551
03:18:52,389 --> 03:18:54,291
village's stormwater project

5552
03:18:54,291 --> 03:18:56,392
relating to the Clean Water

5553
03:18:56,392 --> 03:18:57,193
State Revolving Fund Loan

5554
03:18:57,193 --> 03:18:58,194
program, making findings,

5555
03:18:58,194 --> 03:19:00,960
authorizing the loan

5556
03:19:00,960 --> 03:19:02,960
application, authorizing the

5557
03:19:02,765 --> 03:19:04,765
loan agreement, establishing

5558
03:19:05,835 --> 03:19:06,569
pledged revenues, designating

5559
03:19:06,569 --> 03:19:08,505
authorized representatives,

5560
03:19:08,505 --> 03:19:10,505
providing assurances. Providing

5561
03:19:10,540 --> 03:19:12,909
for conflict, providing for

5562
03:19:12,909 --> 03:19:15,309
severability, and providing for

5563
03:19:15,845 --> 03:19:18,845
an effective date move. Second.

5564
03:19:22,752 --> 03:19:25,752
Thank you. Questions to Colleen.

5565
03:19:26,356 --> 03:19:27,190
Colleen, how do you think the

5566
03:19:27,190 --> 03:19:29,359
state will feel about us

5567
03:19:29,359 --> 03:19:31,600
submitting an application for

5568
03:19:31,600 --> 03:19:32,262
something we might not build,

5569
03:19:32,262 --> 03:19:34,331
and then come back later and

5570
03:19:34,331 --> 03:19:35,231
say, oh, we made a mistake.

5571
03:19:35,231 --> 03:19:38,100
We're not going to build it,

5572
03:19:38,100 --> 03:19:39,350
even though in the application

5573
03:19:39,350 --> 03:19:39,635
basically says in the

5574
03:19:39,635 --> 03:19:42,350
resolution, I'm not mistaken,

5575
03:19:42,204 --> 03:19:44,341
go back to tab six, was it?

5576
03:19:44,341 --> 03:19:47,341
Fine, tab six somewhere. It

5577
03:19:48,378 --> 03:19:49,212
says on the. Whereas such

5578
03:19:49,212 --> 03:19:50,347
stormwater improvements include

5579
03:19:50,347 --> 03:19:52,882
they tell you what we're going

5580
03:19:52,882 --> 03:19:55,151
to do but which really means we

5581
03:19:55,151 --> 03:19:58,688
approved it right to do that.

5582
03:19:58,688 --> 03:20:00,123
So back in 2023 sorry. Back in

5583
03:20:00,123 --> 03:20:02,580
back in 2023, there was a

5584
03:20:02,580 --> 03:20:03,593
resolution before council to

5585
03:20:03,593 --> 03:20:05,729
adopt what was called the

5586
03:20:05,729 --> 03:20:07,730
facilities plan. That was for

5587
03:20:07,730 --> 03:20:09,199
this project. So we've already

5588
03:20:09,199 --> 03:20:10,800
approved this project. No we

5589
03:20:10,800 --> 03:20:12,702
haven't, no not to construct.

5590
03:20:12,702 --> 03:20:15,305
But the facilities plan was to

5591
03:20:15,305 --> 03:20:16,206
submit to the state revolving

5592
03:20:16,206 --> 03:20:18,241
fund for our design loan, and

5593
03:20:18,241 --> 03:20:20,409
they required that to be able

5594
03:20:20,409 --> 03:20:21,711
to do the design loan. That

5595
03:20:21,711 --> 03:20:22,278
facilities plan carries forward

5596
03:20:22,278 --> 03:20:24,678
into the construction loan

5597
03:20:24,814 --> 03:20:26,115
process. This is a normal

5598
03:20:26,115 --> 03:20:28,351
process for the srf as far as

5599
03:20:28,351 --> 03:20:29,586
whether we use the money or not.

5600
03:20:29,586 --> 03:20:31,320
It is not uncommon for

5601
03:20:31,320 --> 03:20:33,489
communities to have something

5602
03:20:33,489 --> 03:20:34,290
happen where they can't do the

5603
03:20:34,290 --> 03:20:36,225
project or they decide not to

5604
03:20:36,225 --> 03:20:37,360
do the project. It become too

5605
03:20:37,360 --> 03:20:38,428
expensive and they can't use

5606
03:20:38,428 --> 03:20:41,428
the loan dollars they've been

5607
03:20:41,631 --> 03:20:44,200
given. If we end up doing that,

5608
03:20:44,200 --> 03:20:46,369
there's no penalty. They think

5609
03:20:46,369 --> 03:20:47,636
that's fine. I can't speak for

5610
03:20:47,636 --> 03:20:50,272
them. I'm telling you that

5611
03:20:50,272 --> 03:20:52,642
there's no penalty. Okay? In

5612
03:20:52,642 --> 03:20:54,177
addition to there being no

5613
03:20:54,177 --> 03:20:56,577
penalty, there's also a

5614
03:20:57,480 --> 03:21:00,416
procedure to vet whatever plan

5615
03:21:00,416 --> 03:21:02,752
we do decide to do and if it's

5616
03:21:02,752 --> 03:21:04,752
sufficiently compatible. Right.

5617
03:21:05,288 --> 03:21:06,222
The if there are changes to the

5618
03:21:06,222 --> 03:21:08,557
plan, there's a process by

5619
03:21:08,557 --> 03:21:10,360
which we would amend the

5620
03:21:10,360 --> 03:21:12,295
facilities plan. We can pursue

5621
03:21:12,295 --> 03:21:13,496
that process and we can get

5622
03:21:13,496 --> 03:21:15,398
more details about what that

5623
03:21:15,398 --> 03:21:16,366
would look like. But it is

5624
03:21:16,366 --> 03:21:18,901
possible. And that doesn't mean

5625
03:21:18,901 --> 03:21:20,437
that we can't use those loan

5626
03:21:20,437 --> 03:21:21,303
dollars. That is up to the

5627
03:21:21,303 --> 03:21:23,807
extent of the changes that we

5628
03:21:23,807 --> 03:21:25,208
would end up making, but major

5629
03:21:25,208 --> 03:21:27,343
changes. I don't know what

5630
03:21:27,343 --> 03:21:28,645
major means. No, but you had

5631
03:21:28,645 --> 03:21:30,279
said to before that it can't it

5632
03:21:30,279 --> 03:21:31,380
has to be substantially the

5633
03:21:31,380 --> 03:21:32,248
same plan. It can't be a

5634
03:21:32,248 --> 03:21:34,217
different project. What they

5635
03:21:34,217 --> 03:21:35,685
look like, what they look at in

5636
03:21:35,685 --> 03:21:36,553
the facilities plan, is a

5637
03:21:36,553 --> 03:21:37,954
review of the environmental

5638
03:21:37,954 --> 03:21:39,189
impact that your project is

5639
03:21:39,189 --> 03:21:40,856
going to have, the historical

5640
03:21:40,856 --> 03:21:42,525
impact. There's a species

5641
03:21:42,525 --> 03:21:44,493
analysis. So when it comes to

5642
03:21:44,493 --> 03:21:45,895
changing the plan, if there's a

5643
03:21:45,895 --> 03:21:46,695
change to what the

5644
03:21:46,695 --> 03:21:48,297
environmental impact would be,

5645
03:21:48,297 --> 03:21:49,532
they would want to know that we

5646
03:21:49,532 --> 03:21:50,600
might have to redo the

5647
03:21:50,600 --> 03:21:52,202
environmental portion of the

5648
03:21:52,202 --> 03:21:54,437
facilities plan. For example. I

5649
03:21:54,437 --> 03:21:56,205
haven't gotten into the details

5650
03:21:56,205 --> 03:21:57,340
with them about what

5651
03:21:57,340 --> 03:21:59,376
constitutes a major change.

5652
03:21:59,376 --> 03:22:01,343
They were reticent to give me

5653
03:22:01,343 --> 03:22:03,713
any specifics on that because

5654
03:22:03,713 --> 03:22:05,147
it's so variable from one

5655
03:22:05,147 --> 03:22:07,550
project to the next. What

5656
03:22:07,550 --> 03:22:09,151
constitutes that? What they did

5657
03:22:09,151 --> 03:22:11,420
say is, if we do change it

5658
03:22:11,420 --> 03:22:13,523
beyond the point that it can

5659
03:22:13,523 --> 03:22:15,224
just be adopted as more or less

5660
03:22:15,224 --> 03:22:16,425
the same as what we're doing,

5661
03:22:16,425 --> 03:22:17,527
then they would go through an

5662
03:22:17,527 --> 03:22:19,950
amendment process with us where

5663
03:22:19,950 --> 03:22:20,230
we'd have to basically update

5664
03:22:20,230 --> 03:22:22,630
our facilities plan. But

5665
03:22:23,499 --> 03:22:24,133
basically the proposed plan

5666
03:22:24,133 --> 03:22:26,435
would understand the other

5667
03:22:26,435 --> 03:22:27,337
engineer is doing it is

5668
03:22:27,337 --> 03:22:29,337
significantly different than

5669
03:22:29,405 --> 03:22:31,340
this plan. This plan here is

5670
03:22:31,340 --> 03:22:32,308
like gravity with a pump into

5671
03:22:32,308 --> 03:22:34,310
the base system. And he's doing

5672
03:22:34,310 --> 03:22:35,845
a hybrid system, which is

5673
03:22:35,845 --> 03:22:37,845
basically utilizing our

5674
03:22:38,470 --> 03:22:39,448
existing drainage wells,

5675
03:22:39,448 --> 03:22:41,618
putting a shallow injection

5676
03:22:41,618 --> 03:22:43,419
wells, small pumps. How do we

5677
03:22:43,419 --> 03:22:46,255
know all that? Because that's

5678
03:22:46,255 --> 03:22:48,691
what he said anyway. He didn't

5679
03:22:48,691 --> 03:22:50,226
say that. Okay. When did he say

5680
03:22:50,226 --> 03:22:51,361
that? That's what I heard him

5681
03:22:51,361 --> 03:22:53,463
say. Maybe my hearing is bad.

5682
03:22:53,463 --> 03:22:55,164
No, no, I mean, you're I'm

5683
03:22:55,164 --> 03:22:57,660
sorry. Let me finish. Okay,

5684
03:22:57,660 --> 03:22:58,601
then you will. Then I will ask

5685
03:22:58,601 --> 03:23:00,303
for a point of privilege. I

5686
03:23:00,303 --> 03:23:01,270
assume that's the case. Is that

5687
03:23:01,270 --> 03:23:04,173
a substantial change? I can't

5688
03:23:04,173 --> 03:23:06,842
speak for Fdep. I'm not an

5689
03:23:06,842 --> 03:23:08,210
engineer either. Okay, fine.

5690
03:23:08,210 --> 03:23:11,470
Thank you. So, point of

5691
03:23:11,470 --> 03:23:13,447
privilege, mayor. Okay, okay.

5692
03:23:14,250 --> 03:23:16,285
I'm hearing already. It's a

5693
03:23:16,285 --> 03:23:17,787
done deal here. We got a design

5694
03:23:17,787 --> 03:23:19,255
going on, and I'm already

5695
03:23:19,255 --> 03:23:21,900
hearing details about a design

5696
03:23:21,900 --> 03:23:23,359
that this council has not heard.

5697
03:23:23,359 --> 03:23:25,494
I'm hearing mixed signals about

5698
03:23:25,494 --> 03:23:27,196
the program manager. I'm

5699
03:23:27,196 --> 03:23:29,565
hearing mixed signals about

5700
03:23:29,565 --> 03:23:31,965
reviews, about moving forward

5701
03:23:33,268 --> 03:23:35,671
with the design hearing, moving

5702
03:23:35,671 --> 03:23:37,273
forward, and tabling a critical

5703
03:23:37,273 --> 03:23:39,642
discussion about a program

5704
03:23:39,642 --> 03:23:41,377
manager into a workshop. I'm

5705
03:23:41,377 --> 03:23:42,512
sorry, I don't I'm staying. I'm

5706
03:23:42,512 --> 03:23:44,113
trying really to stay on point

5707
03:23:44,113 --> 03:23:45,381
here because it's important,

5708
03:23:45,381 --> 03:23:47,450
because this will affect what

5709
03:23:47,450 --> 03:23:49,850
you're doing. The financing

5710
03:23:50,186 --> 03:23:52,586
that we're currently evaluating

5711
03:23:53,220 --> 03:23:54,223
without any clarity on the

5712
03:23:54,223 --> 03:23:56,359
project delivery and the

5713
03:23:56,359 --> 03:23:58,359
management structure, is

5714
03:23:59,796 --> 03:24:02,196
woefully inadequate. From my

5715
03:24:02,265 --> 03:24:04,333
perspective. Logically, we have

5716
03:24:04,333 --> 03:24:06,669
just tabled a critical item

5717
03:24:06,669 --> 03:24:08,403
which has to do with the

5718
03:24:08,403 --> 03:24:10,506
program manager and going like

5719
03:24:10,506 --> 03:24:11,574
that, we're taking this project

5720
03:24:11,574 --> 03:24:14,277
off the rails. Mayor and

5721
03:24:14,277 --> 03:24:16,112
council, I can tell you from 35

5722
03:24:16,112 --> 03:24:18,213
years of experience I have seen

5723
03:24:18,213 --> 03:24:20,449
this before. I have seen it

5724
03:24:20,449 --> 03:24:22,385
over and over again. We have a

5725
03:24:22,385 --> 03:24:24,530
lot of money at stake here, you

5726
03:24:24,530 --> 03:24:26,155
know, and I'm seeing patterns

5727
03:24:26,155 --> 03:24:28,570
that are really concerning.

5728
03:24:28,570 --> 03:24:30,259
Number one, I'm seeing a

5729
03:24:30,259 --> 03:24:32,327
complete criticism of staff, a

5730
03:24:32,327 --> 03:24:34,564
devaluation of the existing

5731
03:24:34,564 --> 03:24:37,400
design without any merits. I

5732
03:24:37,400 --> 03:24:38,601
have received a lot of

5733
03:24:38,601 --> 03:24:40,235
criticism, not only just

5734
03:24:40,235 --> 03:24:41,470
criticism. I've been playing

5735
03:24:41,470 --> 03:24:43,870
threats about this moving

5736
03:24:44,207 --> 03:24:46,709
forward. I have the text and I

5737
03:24:46,709 --> 03:24:48,878
am. I am very concerned about

5738
03:24:48,878 --> 03:24:50,312
how this council is moving

5739
03:24:50,312 --> 03:24:52,115
forward with this project. This

5740
03:24:52,115 --> 03:24:53,549
is a significant public purpose

5741
03:24:53,549 --> 03:24:55,451
project. It is a project that

5742
03:24:55,451 --> 03:24:57,220
was committed to this community.

5743
03:24:57,220 --> 03:24:59,822
It is a project that I ran on a

5744
03:24:59,822 --> 03:25:01,458
platform, and now I'm hearing a

5745
03:25:01,458 --> 03:25:03,458
council member talking

5746
03:25:03,759 --> 03:25:05,127
specifics specifically, just

5747
03:25:05,127 --> 03:25:07,263
specifically said we don't need

5748
03:25:07,263 --> 03:25:09,165
a gravity system. We can use

5749
03:25:09,165 --> 03:25:11,266
some pump stations. How did he

5750
03:25:11,266 --> 03:25:13,403
figure that out? Who's talking

5751
03:25:13,403 --> 03:25:16,104
with I'm sorry, sir, there is

5752
03:25:16,104 --> 03:25:18,774
one thing I want to say here.

5753
03:25:18,774 --> 03:25:20,242
There's $90 million at stake,

5754
03:25:20,242 --> 03:25:22,450
mayor. 90 million? That's a lot

5755
03:25:22,450 --> 03:25:23,679
of money. And one thing that I

5756
03:25:23,679 --> 03:25:25,348
have seen in the public sector

5757
03:25:25,348 --> 03:25:26,615
is when you have a lot of money

5758
03:25:26,615 --> 03:25:28,351
like that, first it discredit

5759
03:25:28,351 --> 03:25:30,319
comes in, then the hijack comes

5760
03:25:30,319 --> 03:25:32,154
in. And what we're witnessing

5761
03:25:32,154 --> 03:25:34,257
here is a complete hijack of

5762
03:25:34,257 --> 03:25:35,491
this project with a pretext

5763
03:25:35,491 --> 03:25:37,159
that they don't want to do it

5764
03:25:37,159 --> 03:25:38,294
or do the undergrounding or do

5765
03:25:38,294 --> 03:25:39,462
whatever. But we're talking

5766
03:25:39,462 --> 03:25:40,730
about something that really

5767
03:25:40,730 --> 03:25:42,465
concerns me, and this council

5768
03:25:42,465 --> 03:25:43,499
needs to be aware that we're

5769
03:25:43,499 --> 03:25:45,201
not moving in the right

5770
03:25:45,201 --> 03:25:46,402
direction. We're trying to take

5771
03:25:46,402 --> 03:25:47,970
up Black and Veatch when the

5772
03:25:47,970 --> 03:25:49,205
program management, the project

5773
03:25:49,205 --> 03:25:51,240
is off the rails. Now we have a

5774
03:25:51,240 --> 03:25:52,808
council member who's not a

5775
03:25:52,808 --> 03:25:54,343
professional engineer quoting

5776
03:25:54,343 --> 03:25:56,312
designs. This council needs to

5777
03:25:56,312 --> 03:25:57,480
take this very seriously. We're

5778
03:25:57,480 --> 03:25:59,382
committing a lot of money and

5779
03:25:59,382 --> 03:26:00,416
there's a lot of money at stake.

5780
03:26:00,416 --> 03:26:02,518
I'm wondering who's interested

5781
03:26:02,518 --> 03:26:04,220
in this money. All right. What

5782
03:26:04,220 --> 03:26:07,820
we're talking about is nine b

5783
03:26:08,423 --> 03:26:10,593
and it's an ordinance. No, it's

5784
03:26:10,593 --> 03:26:14,196
it's a that will help us if we

5785
03:26:14,196 --> 03:26:17,796
decide to go with this design

5786
03:26:18,670 --> 03:26:20,370
that we can get the best bang

5787
03:26:20,370 --> 03:26:22,710
for our buck in terms of the

5788
03:26:22,710 --> 03:26:24,306
financial aspect of it. Correct.

5789
03:26:24,306 --> 03:26:26,408
That's all we're doing here at

5790
03:26:26,408 --> 03:26:28,310
this time. We're not committing

5791
03:26:28,310 --> 03:26:30,413
to any funds. We're not doing

5792
03:26:30,413 --> 03:26:32,813
anything different than what

5793
03:26:33,749 --> 03:26:36,285
was pretended that we put

5794
03:26:36,285 --> 03:26:38,387
together a plan. And if we go

5795
03:26:38,387 --> 03:26:41,224
forward with that plan, we have

5796
03:26:41,224 --> 03:26:43,459
the best, the best financing

5797
03:26:43,459 --> 03:26:45,194
and loan agreement that we can

5798
03:26:45,194 --> 03:26:46,462
get out there. And what I'm

5799
03:26:46,462 --> 03:26:49,650
hearing tonight, which is a

5800
03:26:49,650 --> 03:26:51,433
little bit different, I think,

5801
03:26:51,433 --> 03:26:54,303
is that there's a possibility

5802
03:26:54,303 --> 03:26:57,406
that we could, if we go with a

5803
03:26:57,406 --> 03:27:01,377
plan b or design b, that we

5804
03:27:01,377 --> 03:27:03,212
could apply this loan to that.

5805
03:27:03,212 --> 03:27:05,347
What you're saying. No, she's

5806
03:27:05,347 --> 03:27:07,830
she's not promising that. What

5807
03:27:07,830 --> 03:27:08,684
she's saying is that there is a

5808
03:27:08,684 --> 03:27:10,386
process to go through, that

5809
03:27:10,386 --> 03:27:12,388
it's a rigorous process. But

5810
03:27:12,388 --> 03:27:14,524
you know this. No one's told

5811
03:27:14,524 --> 03:27:16,258
her this, but no, but that that

5812
03:27:16,258 --> 03:27:18,294
doesn't mean that whatever we

5813
03:27:18,294 --> 03:27:20,396
choose to come up with, whether

5814
03:27:20,396 --> 03:27:21,330
it is the plan as it stands,

5815
03:27:21,330 --> 03:27:23,298
whether it is a value

5816
03:27:23,298 --> 03:27:24,433
engineered plan, whether it's a

5817
03:27:24,433 --> 03:27:26,169
modified plan, whether it

5818
03:27:26,169 --> 03:27:27,570
perhaps is even a different

5819
03:27:27,570 --> 03:27:29,105
plan, you know, that would all

5820
03:27:29,105 --> 03:27:31,340
go through a certain process.

5821
03:27:31,340 --> 03:27:34,143
What what what I'm hearing is

5822
03:27:34,143 --> 03:27:37,790
that this could be this could

5823
03:27:37,790 --> 03:27:39,314
be used for something else to

5824
03:27:39,314 --> 03:27:40,549
do to achieve the same goals. I

5825
03:27:40,549 --> 03:27:42,218
don't think I don't think we

5826
03:27:42,218 --> 03:27:43,452
want to make that statement. I

5827
03:27:43,452 --> 03:27:44,519
think what we're really trying

5828
03:27:44,519 --> 03:27:45,654
to say is we're giving

5829
03:27:45,654 --> 03:27:47,189
ourselves financial flexibility.

5830
03:27:47,189 --> 03:27:48,724
And if we truly are doing an

5831
03:27:48,724 --> 03:27:50,659
alternative analysis that we

5832
03:27:50,659 --> 03:27:53,195
have one of the alternatives

5833
03:27:53,195 --> 03:27:55,998
standing by that is ready to be

5834
03:27:55,998 --> 03:27:57,232
procured, ready to be financed

5835
03:27:57,232 --> 03:27:58,167
so that we can do a true

5836
03:27:58,167 --> 03:27:59,201
evaluation between the two

5837
03:27:59,201 --> 03:28:01,470
projects. Just earlier tonight,

5838
03:28:01,470 --> 03:28:03,772
we asked about whether there

5839
03:28:03,772 --> 03:28:04,439
was another project available

5840
03:28:04,439 --> 03:28:06,509
for the Rickenbacker Causeway

5841
03:28:06,509 --> 03:28:08,143
to do the same exact thing. So

5842
03:28:08,143 --> 03:28:09,678
I would hope we would be

5843
03:28:09,678 --> 03:28:11,547
consistent on doing it within

5844
03:28:11,547 --> 03:28:12,515
ourselves as well. To have two

5845
03:28:12,515 --> 03:28:14,183
alternatives to evaluate when

5846
03:28:14,183 --> 03:28:16,418
it finishes their project. It

5847
03:28:16,418 --> 03:28:17,687
MAY be helpful to remember our

5848
03:28:17,687 --> 03:28:19,155
meeting and tally with the

5849
03:28:19,155 --> 03:28:21,424
gentleman that was the head of

5850
03:28:21,424 --> 03:28:23,626
this, this department, because

5851
03:28:23,626 --> 03:28:26,828
we broached the subject of the

5852
03:28:26,828 --> 03:28:28,263
possibility of a change, and he

5853
03:28:28,263 --> 03:28:29,298
spoke about a process to

5854
03:28:29,298 --> 03:28:31,567
respond to whatever it is that

5855
03:28:31,567 --> 03:28:33,102
we come up with. And Colleen

5856
03:28:33,102 --> 03:28:34,837
said he hesitated because I

5857
03:28:34,837 --> 03:28:36,205
think they don't want to commit

5858
03:28:36,205 --> 03:28:38,474
to something, but that doesn't

5859
03:28:38,474 --> 03:28:40,543
mean it's off the table. But I

5860
03:28:40,543 --> 03:28:41,777
think the real the real thing,

5861
03:28:41,777 --> 03:28:44,777
the real question in place

5862
03:28:45,382 --> 03:28:47,315
right now is we are just

5863
03:28:47,315 --> 03:28:48,250
locking in a financing

5864
03:28:48,250 --> 03:28:50,352
mechanism, that's all we're

5865
03:28:50,352 --> 03:28:52,321
doing. Nothing more. Question.

5866
03:28:52,321 --> 03:28:55,321
Colleen, could you elaborate on

5867
03:28:55,458 --> 03:28:58,458
any additional cost that would

5868
03:28:58,461 --> 03:29:00,396
be required at this time from,

5869
03:29:00,396 --> 03:29:01,563
let's say, your if we assume

5870
03:29:01,563 --> 03:29:03,131
that we're not moving forward

5871
03:29:03,131 --> 03:29:05,767
with this, is there if there is

5872
03:29:05,767 --> 03:29:07,770
there additional cost that you

5873
03:29:07,770 --> 03:29:09,605
would have to add under the on

5874
03:29:09,605 --> 03:29:11,273
your current current criteria

5875
03:29:11,273 --> 03:29:14,210
to put put forth this thing to

5876
03:29:14,210 --> 03:29:15,878
the state. So, so I guess to

5877
03:29:15,878 --> 03:29:17,646
clarify, are you asking if we

5878
03:29:17,646 --> 03:29:19,248
say no tonight? No, I'm just

5879
03:29:19,248 --> 03:29:20,820
saying if are there any

5880
03:29:20,820 --> 03:29:22,251
additional costs you have to

5881
03:29:22,251 --> 03:29:24,419
add right now if we approve, if

5882
03:29:24,419 --> 03:29:26,489
you if you approve, what other

5883
03:29:26,489 --> 03:29:28,890
costs do we have to add? I

5884
03:29:28,890 --> 03:29:30,159
think last time I checked we've

5885
03:29:30,159 --> 03:29:32,260
used about two thirds of the

5886
03:29:32,260 --> 03:29:33,495
work order. So about 20,000 or

5887
03:29:33,495 --> 03:29:35,531
so has been used for the

5888
03:29:35,531 --> 03:29:37,532
support from Black and Beach. I

5889
03:29:37,532 --> 03:29:41,132
think the next week would be

5890
03:29:41,570 --> 03:29:43,405
like $2,000. So. So just to

5891
03:29:43,405 --> 03:29:44,440
make sure you're clear, I'm

5892
03:29:44,440 --> 03:29:46,541
clear there's an all all we're

5893
03:29:46,541 --> 03:29:48,770
talking about is an additional

5894
03:29:48,770 --> 03:29:50,245
$2,000 to to to put the

5895
03:29:50,245 --> 03:29:52,470
application in place more or

5896
03:29:52,470 --> 03:29:53,248
less all the fees, banking fees,

5897
03:29:53,248 --> 03:29:54,550
everything associated with the

5898
03:29:54,550 --> 03:29:56,352
project. The application is not

5899
03:29:56,352 --> 03:29:57,719
executing the loan. But yes,

5900
03:29:57,719 --> 03:29:59,321
the application for the loan is

5901
03:29:59,321 --> 03:30:01,123
we're basically there. How are

5902
03:30:01,123 --> 03:30:03,459
we going to manage this

5903
03:30:03,459 --> 03:30:05,459
application process or

5904
03:30:05,728 --> 03:30:07,162
modifications into any design

5905
03:30:07,162 --> 03:30:10,162
without a program manager? This

5906
03:30:10,199 --> 03:30:12,334
item has been tabled. Are you

5907
03:30:12,334 --> 03:30:13,269
referring to if we change? No.

5908
03:30:13,269 --> 03:30:14,403
We are point of privilege. We

5909
03:30:14,403 --> 03:30:16,238
we still are. We're talking

5910
03:30:16,238 --> 03:30:17,573
about the program. I know you

5911
03:30:17,573 --> 03:30:19,410
want to talk about this, but

5912
03:30:19,410 --> 03:30:20,275
you're. But but we've tabled

5913
03:30:20,275 --> 03:30:22,111
the program manager and I want

5914
03:30:22,111 --> 03:30:23,679
to understand why we're tabling

5915
03:30:23,679 --> 03:30:25,180
a program manager. When you are

5916
03:30:25,180 --> 03:30:26,414
trying to move forward and

5917
03:30:26,414 --> 03:30:28,417
trying to manage, you know,

5918
03:30:28,417 --> 03:30:29,318
you're asking for a loan,

5919
03:30:29,318 --> 03:30:31,253
you're asking for a loan, and

5920
03:30:31,253 --> 03:30:32,221
we're going to have to maintain

5921
03:30:32,221 --> 03:30:34,356
that, and we're going to have

5922
03:30:34,356 --> 03:30:36,425
to try to keep it in a way that

5923
03:30:36,425 --> 03:30:38,294
we can, that we can retain that

5924
03:30:38,294 --> 03:30:39,395
loan. How are we going to do

5925
03:30:39,395 --> 03:30:40,529
that without a program manager

5926
03:30:40,529 --> 03:30:41,730
project? That's right. I

5927
03:30:41,730 --> 03:30:43,732
appreciate that question. But

5928
03:30:43,732 --> 03:30:44,333
that's not fair to ask her

5929
03:30:44,333 --> 03:30:46,335
tonight, because that was just

5930
03:30:46,335 --> 03:30:47,436
a decision that was made about

5931
03:30:47,436 --> 03:30:48,437
a bit ago. Okay. Understand

5932
03:30:48,437 --> 03:30:50,405
that's a condition she asked

5933
03:30:50,405 --> 03:30:52,141
for. Look, I think I think

5934
03:30:52,141 --> 03:30:53,275
we'll be able to pull it pull

5935
03:30:53,275 --> 03:30:54,576
it off ourselves. We do have

5936
03:30:54,576 --> 03:30:55,577
the capability. I think after

5937
03:30:55,577 --> 03:30:57,646
tonight's decision, we are

5938
03:30:57,646 --> 03:30:59,148
going to have to make a major

5939
03:30:59,148 --> 03:31:00,649
decision on what projects we're

5940
03:31:00,649 --> 03:31:01,383
going to do. Priorities,

5941
03:31:01,383 --> 03:31:03,319
timelines. You know, this

5942
03:31:03,319 --> 03:31:05,120
decision could impact the

5943
03:31:05,120 --> 03:31:06,255
capital plan, but that's

5944
03:31:06,255 --> 03:31:08,323
something. But I want to be

5945
03:31:08,323 --> 03:31:09,558
able to look at tonight but

5946
03:31:09,558 --> 03:31:11,126
still have a major impact. I'm

5947
03:31:11,126 --> 03:31:12,361
sorry, but I want to understand

5948
03:31:12,361 --> 03:31:13,528
why we're tabling the program

5949
03:31:13,528 --> 03:31:15,597
manager. That's not what's

5950
03:31:15,597 --> 03:31:17,399
before us right now. It is sir.

5951
03:31:17,399 --> 03:31:19,134
No it isn't. We have already

5952
03:31:19,134 --> 03:31:21,203
tabled it. We? Well, I'm making

5953
03:31:21,203 --> 03:31:22,537
well, I'll come back on that.

5954
03:31:22,537 --> 03:31:24,239
The table in the program

5955
03:31:24,239 --> 03:31:25,374
manager. But staff is trying to

5956
03:31:25,374 --> 03:31:27,375
move forward with a project and

5957
03:31:27,375 --> 03:31:28,910
the financing. And at the same

5958
03:31:28,910 --> 03:31:30,812
time, you're tabling the

5959
03:31:30,812 --> 03:31:32,481
program manager without any

5960
03:31:32,481 --> 03:31:35,481
logic whatsoever that that MAY

5961
03:31:35,751 --> 03:31:38,253
be. But we are still on only on.

5962
03:31:38,253 --> 03:31:41,123
Let's see. So let's get let's

5963
03:31:41,123 --> 03:31:42,958
get past this. Okay. And you

5964
03:31:42,958 --> 03:31:45,958
can have that other discussion.

5965
03:31:46,610 --> 03:31:48,264
Okay sir. Yes. Okay. I have my

5966
03:31:48,264 --> 03:31:49,231
recollection of when this came

5967
03:31:49,231 --> 03:31:51,733
up at last meeting and we went

5968
03:31:51,733 --> 03:31:54,436
over this the other day. I have

5969
03:31:54,436 --> 03:31:56,772
in my mind this the, this whole

5970
03:31:56,772 --> 03:31:59,410
application process was going

5971
03:31:59,410 --> 03:32:00,642
to cost approximately $30,000.

5972
03:32:00,642 --> 03:32:03,642
And, and now you're saying

5973
03:32:03,745 --> 03:32:06,145
we're approximately 20 into it.

5974
03:32:06,415 --> 03:32:09,151
So maybe maybe we have ten left

5975
03:32:09,151 --> 03:32:10,752
to go and not two. I it doesn't

5976
03:32:10,752 --> 03:32:12,387
matter. I just want to make

5977
03:32:12,387 --> 03:32:13,355
sure that our record is clear

5978
03:32:13,355 --> 03:32:16,240
and that we're not committing

5979
03:32:16,240 --> 03:32:17,590
to something. It's not. No. The

5980
03:32:17,590 --> 03:32:19,161
work orders for about $33,000.

5981
03:32:19,161 --> 03:32:20,662
I just spoke to the program

5982
03:32:20,662 --> 03:32:22,164
manager, Mike, about how much

5983
03:32:22,164 --> 03:32:23,699
they've used so far. It's about

5984
03:32:23,699 --> 03:32:25,834
two thirds they've used. And

5985
03:32:25,834 --> 03:32:26,635
they said, you know, they don't

5986
03:32:26,635 --> 03:32:28,303
anticipate using the full

5987
03:32:28,303 --> 03:32:30,500
remainder, right? Okay. Right.

5988
03:32:30,500 --> 03:32:31,306
And so I'm doing a guesstimate

5989
03:32:31,306 --> 03:32:33,308
knowing how far we've taken it,

5990
03:32:33,308 --> 03:32:34,743
knowing that Benjamin is

5991
03:32:34,743 --> 03:32:36,511
putting in the financials. And

5992
03:32:36,511 --> 03:32:38,247
I'm going to ask for the legal

5993
03:32:38,247 --> 03:32:39,114
opinion. And it's more or less

5994
03:32:39,114 --> 03:32:41,449
putting everything together and

5995
03:32:41,449 --> 03:32:42,451
sending it off. I just did

5996
03:32:42,451 --> 03:32:44,850
ballpark estimates for number

5997
03:32:44,850 --> 03:32:45,220
of hours that would take. We

5998
03:32:45,220 --> 03:32:46,488
don't have any more

5999
03:32:46,488 --> 03:32:47,455
coordination calls. You know I

6000
03:32:47,455 --> 03:32:49,491
understand it's simple. And

6001
03:32:49,491 --> 03:32:50,920
then my other my other point of

6002
03:32:50,920 --> 03:32:52,492
clarification is because I

6003
03:32:52,794 --> 03:32:54,496
think we're a little fuzzy on

6004
03:32:54,496 --> 03:32:56,465
whether we could use these

6005
03:32:56,465 --> 03:32:59,201
funds for something else. My my

6006
03:32:59,201 --> 03:33:00,502
understanding is that this

6007
03:33:00,502 --> 03:33:02,303
these funds would be given on

6008
03:33:02,303 --> 03:33:04,106
the basis of the permit we had.

6009
03:33:04,106 --> 03:33:05,373
That was part of the

6010
03:33:05,373 --> 03:33:08,243
application. Right? So if we go

6011
03:33:08,243 --> 03:33:10,379
to a different plan entirely,

6012
03:33:10,379 --> 03:33:11,480
it's going to it's going to be

6013
03:33:11,480 --> 03:33:12,247
something with a different

6014
03:33:12,247 --> 03:33:14,315
permit, because we can't use

6015
03:33:14,315 --> 03:33:16,785
this permit unless it's value

6016
03:33:16,785 --> 03:33:19,785
engineered or there is a

6017
03:33:20,322 --> 03:33:22,391
substantial. Right. So so I

6018
03:33:22,391 --> 03:33:25,940
just want to make that clear.

6019
03:33:25,940 --> 03:33:26,228
Having said that, we're already

6020
03:33:26,228 --> 03:33:28,163
there. We've already spent the

6021
03:33:28,163 --> 03:33:29,731
money. We've already we've

6022
03:33:29,731 --> 03:33:32,131
already committed everything we

6023
03:33:32,167 --> 03:33:33,869
have to commit in order to get

6024
03:33:33,869 --> 03:33:35,670
the loan. I'm not sure why we

6025
03:33:35,670 --> 03:33:38,306
wouldn't do that at this point.

6026
03:33:38,306 --> 03:33:40,508
And if we don't take the money,

6027
03:33:40,508 --> 03:33:43,111
we don't take the money, right?

6028
03:33:43,111 --> 03:33:44,245
Correct. All right, MADAM Clerk,

6029
03:33:44,245 --> 03:33:48,445
is there needs to be a public

6030
03:33:49,517 --> 03:33:50,652
hearing. Second reading, second

6031
03:33:50,652 --> 03:33:53,520
reading. Okay. Public hearing

6032
03:33:56,325 --> 03:33:57,359
is now open. Seeing no one come

6033
03:33:57,359 --> 03:34:00,359
forward. Public hearing. I got

6034
03:34:00,495 --> 03:34:03,631
a question in the already. We

6035
03:34:03,631 --> 03:34:04,432
gave him $20,000 to fill out

6036
03:34:04,432 --> 03:34:06,235
this loan application, right?

6037
03:34:06,235 --> 03:34:09,404
Yes. Why don't we have a copy

6038
03:34:09,404 --> 03:34:11,105
of it? It's in draft form.

6039
03:34:11,105 --> 03:34:12,607
Sorry. The loan application

6040
03:34:12,607 --> 03:34:13,342
itself is actually not that

6041
03:34:13,342 --> 03:34:15,210
long. It's all the attachments

6042
03:34:15,210 --> 03:34:16,411
and the amendments or not, the

6043
03:34:16,411 --> 03:34:18,811
amendments, the attachments to

6044
03:34:19,147 --> 03:34:20,215
it. I'm looking at the thing.

6045
03:34:20,215 --> 03:34:22,918
So why don't we have a copy of

6046
03:34:22,918 --> 03:34:24,520
it? It's in draft form okay.

6047
03:34:24,520 --> 03:34:26,722
And we we didn't change the

6048
03:34:26,722 --> 03:34:27,622
attachment because it's a

6049
03:34:27,622 --> 03:34:29,324
second reading of the first

6050
03:34:29,324 --> 03:34:32,324
reading. You keep the first

6051
03:34:32,728 --> 03:34:34,263
reading it was a It was the

6052
03:34:34,263 --> 03:34:35,563
loan application as a blank

6053
03:34:35,563 --> 03:34:36,731
document because we hadn't we

6054
03:34:36,731 --> 03:34:38,300
hadn't filled anything out.

6055
03:34:38,300 --> 03:34:40,301
More or less. It hasn't been

6056
03:34:40,301 --> 03:34:42,304
filled out yet. We have a draft.

6057
03:34:42,304 --> 03:34:43,205
It has been filled out. I

6058
03:34:43,205 --> 03:34:44,539
believe there was a public

6059
03:34:44,539 --> 03:34:46,808
records request that received

6060
03:34:46,808 --> 03:34:48,710
it, could I have a copy? Of

6061
03:34:48,710 --> 03:34:51,710
course. Thank you. We'll send

6062
03:34:52,981 --> 03:34:55,784
it to you. Let's go. Vice mayor.

6063
03:34:55,784 --> 03:34:57,552
Yes. Council member. Stoner.

6064
03:34:57,552 --> 03:34:59,552
Yes. Councilmember. Vasquez.

6065
03:34:59,988 --> 03:35:02,388
Yes. Mayor. Roscoe. Yes.

6066
03:35:04,225 --> 03:35:06,225
Councilmember. Bracken. Yes.

6067
03:35:07,429 --> 03:35:09,429
Councilmember. Kaplan. Yes.

6068
03:35:09,430 --> 03:35:11,830
Councilmember. London. No. The

6069
03:35:12,340 --> 03:35:15,340
ordinance is adopted on second

6070
03:35:20,475 --> 03:35:23,311
reading. Okay. We've got a

6071
03:35:23,311 --> 03:35:26,311
number of important items here

6072
03:35:29,283 --> 03:35:32,283
under 12 b okay. I'm putting

6073
03:35:32,320 --> 03:35:34,155
forward fellow by the name of

6074
03:35:34,155 --> 03:35:35,390
Federico Flores to this

6075
03:35:35,390 --> 03:35:37,390
Miami-Dade County Aircraft

6076
03:35:37,759 --> 03:35:40,159
Noise Abatement Advisory Board.

6077
03:35:40,662 --> 03:35:42,230
Good suggestion. Next. All

6078
03:35:42,230 --> 03:35:44,630
right. Consensus council. Yes,

6079
03:35:50,739 --> 03:35:52,739
sir. Consensus. Consensus.

6080
03:35:56,277 --> 03:35:58,313
Let's see. 12. Let me let me

6081
03:35:58,313 --> 03:36:00,713
take something that we've

6082
03:36:01,149 --> 03:36:04,118
already talked about. 12 e 12 e

6083
03:36:04,118 --> 03:36:06,221
okay, okay. Acceptable uses

6084
03:36:06,221 --> 03:36:08,221
within institutional zoning.

6085
03:36:08,590 --> 03:36:11,292
Yes. So one of the things that

6086
03:36:11,292 --> 03:36:13,610
that we've found out recently

6087
03:36:13,610 --> 03:36:16,610
is that there is some

6088
03:36:16,264 --> 03:36:18,664
differences or discrepancy or

6089
03:36:20,902 --> 03:36:22,700
it's not clear that within the

6090
03:36:22,700 --> 03:36:24,470
institutional you could do

6091
03:36:25,274 --> 03:36:28,274
something as the farmers market.

6092
03:36:28,376 --> 03:36:30,578
Okay. So I wanted to bring this

6093
03:36:30,578 --> 03:36:32,247
to your attention and see, you

6094
03:36:32,247 --> 03:36:34,315
know, do we want to go ahead

6095
03:36:34,315 --> 03:36:37,915
and make that change to allow

6096
03:36:38,253 --> 03:36:40,455
for that to happen or not?

6097
03:36:40,455 --> 03:36:43,291
Jeremy, can you give a little

6098
03:36:43,291 --> 03:36:46,528
bit of backdrop on this? I can

6099
03:36:46,528 --> 03:36:48,730
the so we have the existing

6100
03:36:48,730 --> 03:36:50,198
farmers market that was that

6101
03:36:50,198 --> 03:36:51,299
has a btr that we've been doing

6102
03:36:51,299 --> 03:36:54,299
at the community church for

6103
03:36:56,238 --> 03:36:58,941
some time that isn't strictly

6104
03:36:58,941 --> 03:37:01,242
in line with the allowed uses

6105
03:37:01,242 --> 03:37:03,110
on the property. By my

6106
03:37:03,110 --> 03:37:05,510
understanding, there could be

6107
03:37:06,281 --> 03:37:07,315
an amendment to allow sort of a

6108
03:37:07,315 --> 03:37:10,385
like a special use district or

6109
03:37:10,385 --> 03:37:12,654
something creating that as an,

6110
03:37:12,654 --> 03:37:14,722
as an ancillary use or an

6111
03:37:14,722 --> 03:37:16,424
additional use that's permitted

6112
03:37:16,424 --> 03:37:18,824
under certain conditions. And

6113
03:37:19,627 --> 03:37:20,195
it sort of falls was approved.

6114
03:37:20,195 --> 03:37:22,595
Something was approved. They

6115
03:37:23,198 --> 03:37:25,133
have a btr for that property.

6116
03:37:25,133 --> 03:37:28,370
It happened before my time when

6117
03:37:28,370 --> 03:37:30,505
when we had for instance sorry.

6118
03:37:30,505 --> 03:37:33,505
Thank you. Business tax receipt.

6119
03:37:34,109 --> 03:37:36,712
So the we had an application

6120
03:37:36,712 --> 03:37:38,513
this summer for a temporary

6121
03:37:38,513 --> 03:37:41,216
move while they were repaving

6122
03:37:41,216 --> 03:37:43,385
the community church, it moved

6123
03:37:43,385 --> 03:37:46,321
over to the Presbyterian Church.

6124
03:37:46,321 --> 03:37:48,156
The I had them fill out a

6125
03:37:48,156 --> 03:37:50,556
special event permit because

6126
03:37:50,958 --> 03:37:53,194
that's the proper way to do

6127
03:37:53,194 --> 03:37:56,194
this. You know, special event

6128
03:37:56,398 --> 03:37:57,266
permit is only use only

6129
03:37:57,266 --> 03:37:59,434
available for a single day. So

6130
03:37:59,434 --> 03:38:01,202
I think they did two because

6131
03:38:01,202 --> 03:38:02,337
they had two weeks where the

6132
03:38:02,337 --> 03:38:04,239
where the event was over there.

6133
03:38:04,239 --> 03:38:06,441
But there's there's other I'm

6134
03:38:06,441 --> 03:38:06,841
sure Chad can comment as well.

6135
03:38:06,841 --> 03:38:08,643
But there's other

6136
03:38:08,643 --> 03:38:10,578
municipalities that come up

6137
03:38:10,578 --> 03:38:12,547
with additional permit types

6138
03:38:12,547 --> 03:38:14,549
when you have a recurring event

6139
03:38:14,549 --> 03:38:15,917
and that goes through a little

6140
03:38:15,917 --> 03:38:17,318
bit more rigorous review

6141
03:38:17,318 --> 03:38:19,187
because you know you're

6142
03:38:19,187 --> 03:38:22,223
expecting it to be every week

6143
03:38:22,223 --> 03:38:24,159
or, or longer than one day, and

6144
03:38:24,159 --> 03:38:25,360
you make sure that it has the

6145
03:38:25,360 --> 03:38:27,360
appropriate facilities to

6146
03:38:28,796 --> 03:38:30,165
accommodate it. Chad. Chad, you

6147
03:38:30,165 --> 03:38:32,334
got anything to add? There's

6148
03:38:32,334 --> 03:38:34,734
definitely models on the

6149
03:38:35,603 --> 03:38:37,872
farmer's market. Typically you

6150
03:38:37,872 --> 03:38:41,430
get into the type of products,

6151
03:38:41,430 --> 03:38:42,610
how often they usually have

6152
03:38:42,610 --> 03:38:44,379
like insurance requirements

6153
03:38:44,379 --> 03:38:46,581
plan. I mean there's we have

6154
03:38:46,581 --> 03:38:48,416
examples that we can provide if

6155
03:38:48,416 --> 03:38:50,451
we want to get real detailed on

6156
03:38:50,451 --> 03:38:53,888
it. So it's something we could

6157
03:38:53,888 --> 03:38:56,900
bring back. Okay. As far as I

6158
03:38:56,900 --> 03:38:58,259
can tell. You know, the

6159
03:38:58,259 --> 03:39:00,950
farmer's market has worked well.

6160
03:39:00,950 --> 03:39:02,564
People like it. The types of

6161
03:39:02,564 --> 03:39:04,399
things that they sell there are,

6162
03:39:04,399 --> 03:39:06,799
are not usually found

6163
03:39:08,870 --> 03:39:11,338
everywhere on the island. So I

6164
03:39:11,338 --> 03:39:14,276
would be in favor of getting

6165
03:39:14,276 --> 03:39:16,478
our attorney to to codify this.

6166
03:39:16,478 --> 03:39:18,713
If it's, you know, something,

6167
03:39:18,713 --> 03:39:21,713
you guys think it's worthwhile,

6168
03:39:22,216 --> 03:39:24,719
I agree. Okay. All right, Chad,

6169
03:39:24,719 --> 03:39:26,588
bring us on back and give us

6170
03:39:26,588 --> 03:39:28,189
more time. Just a quick

6171
03:39:28,189 --> 03:39:29,457
question on is the Christmas

6172
03:39:29,457 --> 03:39:32,894
tree sale and the pumpkin patch,

6173
03:39:32,894 --> 03:39:35,396
are they similar? I think that

6174
03:39:35,396 --> 03:39:36,931
that's not as it's not

6175
03:39:36,931 --> 03:39:37,531
reoccurring. You know, that's

6176
03:39:37,531 --> 03:39:39,467
more of like the special event

6177
03:39:39,467 --> 03:39:41,236
or I don't know how you issue

6178
03:39:41,236 --> 03:39:42,570
them temporary or the like, but

6179
03:39:42,570 --> 03:39:45,473
that's this my understanding is

6180
03:39:45,473 --> 03:39:47,442
the farm market is going to be

6181
03:39:47,442 --> 03:39:49,143
weekly, right? Right. It is and

6182
03:39:49,143 --> 03:39:50,745
it is weekly has been going on.

6183
03:39:50,745 --> 03:39:52,347
It's very popular. It's great.

6184
03:39:52,347 --> 03:39:53,915
We want to encourage it. Right.

6185
03:39:53,915 --> 03:39:55,820
No, I know the existing one.

6186
03:39:55,820 --> 03:39:56,317
But I mean the legislation that

6187
03:39:56,317 --> 03:39:57,218
we would that we would put

6188
03:39:57,218 --> 03:39:59,521
forward would allow for

6189
03:39:59,521 --> 03:40:01,356
something more on a regular

6190
03:40:01,356 --> 03:40:02,957
basis. I'd like to do that

6191
03:40:02,957 --> 03:40:05,894
because it's a it's a good

6192
03:40:05,894 --> 03:40:08,894
thing. Okay. You got marching

6193
03:40:13,670 --> 03:40:16,670
orders. Consensus. Has have all

6194
03:40:18,506 --> 03:40:22,106
of you looked at the scheduling?

6195
03:40:23,244 --> 03:40:26,244
Workshops and the schedule for

6196
03:40:27,882 --> 03:40:29,550
2026? No, no. No, it's two

6197
03:40:29,550 --> 03:40:31,950
different items. Yeah. Yeah

6198
03:40:35,223 --> 03:40:37,258
okay. Quite aware. So I've got

6199
03:40:37,258 --> 03:40:40,261
a couple of changes that I

6200
03:40:40,261 --> 03:40:43,261
would suggest we'll have. We'll

6201
03:40:44,232 --> 03:40:47,232
have Jocelyn circle back with

6202
03:40:48,690 --> 03:40:51,669
with with the schedule for the

6203
03:40:53,507 --> 03:40:56,507
village. Now for the proposed

6204
03:40:56,844 --> 03:40:59,844
workshops. Main, main what they

6205
03:40:59,880 --> 03:41:01,349
are. So I'm sorry, MR. Mayor,

6206
03:41:01,349 --> 03:41:03,685
you wanted to go over the 2026

6207
03:41:03,685 --> 03:41:05,653
council schedule first? Yeah.

6208
03:41:05,653 --> 03:41:07,222
Council meeting. I heard that

6209
03:41:07,222 --> 03:41:09,490
they haven't looked at it in a

6210
03:41:09,490 --> 03:41:11,125
lot of detail. So let's not

6211
03:41:11,125 --> 03:41:12,360
waste time talking about

6212
03:41:12,360 --> 03:41:14,361
something that they haven't

6213
03:41:14,361 --> 03:41:15,663
really had a chance to look at.

6214
03:41:15,663 --> 03:41:17,298
So you would like me to bring

6215
03:41:17,298 --> 03:41:20,298
this back for DECEMBER? Yes.

6216
03:41:20,835 --> 03:41:24,104
Okay. And then now look at the

6217
03:41:24,104 --> 03:41:26,504
workshops that are proposed,

6218
03:41:27,742 --> 03:41:30,144
the tabs that. Yes. Where the

6219
03:41:30,144 --> 03:41:31,813
workshops they propose

6220
03:41:31,813 --> 03:41:33,813
tentative workshop DECEMBER

6221
03:41:34,949 --> 03:41:37,349
10th zone one alternative

6222
03:41:39,860 --> 03:41:42,860
analysis and plan, MR. Manager.

6223
03:41:43,157 --> 03:41:46,193
Yeah, if I MAY. At the last ad

6224
03:41:46,193 --> 03:41:48,896
hoc committee, I believe, and I

6225
03:41:48,896 --> 03:41:50,631
sent it out to them for

6226
03:41:50,631 --> 03:41:52,166
approval today. They asked for

6227
03:41:52,166 --> 03:41:54,669
a preview or a pre-meeting,

6228
03:41:54,669 --> 03:41:55,569
whatever we want to call it, in

6229
03:41:55,569 --> 03:41:57,438
advance of a full council

6230
03:41:57,438 --> 03:41:59,140
workshop for the alternative

6231
03:41:59,140 --> 03:42:02,310
plan, so that MAY adjust that

6232
03:42:02,310 --> 03:42:05,120
date. I know, council member,

6233
03:42:05,120 --> 03:42:05,680
I'm not sure if you had a

6234
03:42:05,680 --> 03:42:07,315
chance to read that plan that I

6235
03:42:07,315 --> 03:42:08,549
sent you, Councilmember Vazquez,

6236
03:42:08,549 --> 03:42:10,351
but you might not been able to

6237
03:42:10,351 --> 03:42:11,419
absorb it yet. I don't know

6238
03:42:11,419 --> 03:42:12,520
completely. No, not considering

6239
03:42:12,520 --> 03:42:14,756
all the stuff that we have.

6240
03:42:14,756 --> 03:42:16,257
Right. So I think but I guess,

6241
03:42:16,257 --> 03:42:17,458
generally speaking, would you

6242
03:42:17,458 --> 03:42:19,493
prefer to have an ad hoc

6243
03:42:19,493 --> 03:42:20,595
meeting before it goes to full

6244
03:42:20,595 --> 03:42:22,995
council? Because that would

6245
03:42:23,364 --> 03:42:24,264
adjust this date that she's

6246
03:42:24,264 --> 03:42:26,367
mentioning right now? I was

6247
03:42:26,367 --> 03:42:27,569
just trying to firm up the

6248
03:42:27,569 --> 03:42:29,169
dates, and if they agreed with

6249
03:42:29,169 --> 03:42:32,169
everyone's schedule and all the

6250
03:42:35,309 --> 03:42:37,445
other proposed workshop dates.

6251
03:42:37,445 --> 03:42:39,447
That means to me it's six one

6252
03:42:39,447 --> 03:42:40,248
half the other doesn't matter.

6253
03:42:40,248 --> 03:42:43,248
We're having ad hoc meetings

6254
03:42:43,618 --> 03:42:44,852
and we're tabling items, so I

6255
03:42:44,852 --> 03:42:49,520
don't I don't get the sense of

6256
03:42:52,227 --> 03:42:53,661
it. Okay. So DECEMBER. The 10th

6257
03:42:53,661 --> 03:42:55,295
is not a good date anyway.

6258
03:42:55,295 --> 03:42:57,331
Mayor. That's also in the

6259
03:42:57,331 --> 03:42:58,866
that's a best practices. Yeah.

6260
03:42:58,866 --> 03:43:01,350
It's. Yeah, exactly. It's the

6261
03:43:01,350 --> 03:43:04,350
day after our regular meeting

6262
03:43:06,374 --> 03:43:07,141
so correct. I also heard

6263
03:43:07,141 --> 03:43:09,143
tonight there might be an

6264
03:43:09,143 --> 03:43:10,378
interest in having a zoning

6265
03:43:10,378 --> 03:43:11,912
workshop. And I also heard the

6266
03:43:11,912 --> 03:43:13,214
interest of perhaps an

6267
03:43:13,214 --> 03:43:15,214
infrastructure workshop. And

6268
03:43:15,849 --> 03:43:16,551
then if the ad hoc committee

6269
03:43:16,551 --> 03:43:18,118
wants to have those three

6270
03:43:18,118 --> 03:43:20,621
workshops in advance of the

6271
03:43:20,621 --> 03:43:23,191
council workshops, this kind of

6272
03:43:23,191 --> 03:43:26,194
throws this calendar up in the

6273
03:43:26,194 --> 03:43:29,564
air. And perhaps maybe me and

6274
03:43:29,564 --> 03:43:33,164
Jocelyn can sit down and okay,

6275
03:43:33,500 --> 03:43:37,100
let's do this. Mike, why don't

6276
03:43:39,730 --> 03:43:41,308
why don't you. Decide what

6277
03:43:41,308 --> 03:43:43,177
meetings you're going to need

6278
03:43:43,177 --> 03:43:45,380
the ad hoc and then say, okay,

6279
03:43:45,380 --> 03:43:48,449
after we finish this one and

6280
03:43:48,449 --> 03:43:51,319
this one, then we want to do a,

6281
03:43:51,319 --> 03:43:53,555
a full workshop so that we can

6282
03:43:53,555 --> 03:43:55,756
then be on that on that page.

6283
03:43:55,756 --> 03:43:59,356
Yeah, I'll work with Steve and

6284
03:44:01,329 --> 03:44:03,729
Jocelyn, develop dates. Okay.

6285
03:44:04,465 --> 03:44:06,668
Other workshops. Another one we

6286
03:44:06,668 --> 03:44:08,635
have on there. Again

6287
03:44:08,635 --> 03:44:10,738
tentatively again we can work

6288
03:44:10,738 --> 03:44:11,639
it through is JANUARY 8th. Is

6289
03:44:11,639 --> 03:44:13,274
the undergrounding workshop

6290
03:44:13,274 --> 03:44:15,420
okay. Back to you with a

6291
03:44:15,420 --> 03:44:17,442
recommendation. Is everybody is

6292
03:44:18,746 --> 03:44:20,348
that JANUARY for JANUARY 8th.

6293
03:44:20,348 --> 03:44:22,717
Yep. Thank you. Okay everybody

6294
03:44:22,717 --> 03:44:26,587
good on that one then. Yep yep

6295
03:44:26,587 --> 03:44:30,525
okay. Yep. And then we have a

6296
03:44:30,525 --> 03:44:32,525
recommendation for Zork.

6297
03:44:34,495 --> 03:44:35,596
Workshop on MARCH 4th. Thanks.

6298
03:44:35,596 --> 03:44:38,766
That will do. We come back with

6299
03:44:38,766 --> 03:44:41,166
all the resilience related.

6300
03:44:41,268 --> 03:44:43,137
MARCH 4th recommendations.

6301
03:44:43,137 --> 03:44:46,730
That's okay with me okay. You

6302
03:44:46,730 --> 03:44:48,509
want to put these together I

6303
03:44:48,509 --> 03:44:50,844
will okay. So there's consensus

6304
03:44:50,844 --> 03:44:51,378
for MARCH 4th. These evening

6305
03:44:51,378 --> 03:44:53,378
workshops day workshops.

6306
03:44:53,547 --> 03:44:55,947
Evening should be evening.

6307
03:44:56,150 --> 03:44:59,150
Evening. Yeah. MARCH 4th is

6308
03:45:01,923 --> 03:45:05,523
okay with me. The next before.

6309
03:45:06,360 --> 03:45:07,428
Okay. And I think the zone one

6310
03:45:07,428 --> 03:45:09,130
alternatives for the full

6311
03:45:09,130 --> 03:45:11,432
council. Council member I mean

6312
03:45:11,432 --> 03:45:13,167
mayor, I think we need to wait

6313
03:45:13,167 --> 03:45:14,468
till we talk to the ad hoc

6314
03:45:14,468 --> 03:45:16,336
committee to figure out how

6315
03:45:16,336 --> 03:45:17,438
we're going to. Yes. Sounds

6316
03:45:17,438 --> 03:45:19,140
like it'll get pushed until

6317
03:45:19,140 --> 03:45:21,308
JANUARY. You're trying to fit

6318
03:45:21,308 --> 03:45:23,878
in three meetings. And there

6319
03:45:23,878 --> 03:45:26,147
there was another workshop that

6320
03:45:26,147 --> 03:45:29,183
we talked about a number of

6321
03:45:29,183 --> 03:45:32,183
months back, about the swales

6322
03:45:34,321 --> 03:45:38,325
that we we need to address. And

6323
03:45:38,325 --> 03:45:41,925
with that, if you all indulge

6324
03:45:42,930 --> 03:45:48,303
me, I'd like to go to 12 d b d

6325
03:45:48,303 --> 03:45:53,103
as in dog d okay. Yes. I've got

6326
03:45:53,374 --> 03:45:56,374
our former mayor Festa. And

6327
03:45:59,213 --> 03:46:02,983
what I wanted to do is I. Yeah,

6328
03:46:02,983 --> 03:46:06,583
I have an issue with code

6329
03:46:08,550 --> 03:46:10,425
enforcement. It seems like

6330
03:46:10,425 --> 03:46:12,825
there are some restrictions

6331
03:46:13,193 --> 03:46:16,193
that are code enforcement. Body

6332
03:46:17,980 --> 03:46:20,300
seems to have or there's some

6333
03:46:20,300 --> 03:46:23,300
where someone says that they

6334
03:46:23,871 --> 03:46:26,607
need direction on this issue,

6335
03:46:26,607 --> 03:46:28,909
and we need to have a a small

6336
03:46:28,909 --> 03:46:31,278
conversation on it tonight is,

6337
03:46:31,278 --> 03:46:34,470
is this you know, I understood

6338
03:46:34,470 --> 03:46:38,247
it. And Chad you can help. Here

6339
03:46:38,753 --> 03:46:41,221
is we have a code if if our

6340
03:46:41,221 --> 03:46:43,621
code enforcement is following

6341
03:46:44,558 --> 03:46:47,610
that code, then they cannot

6342
03:46:47,610 --> 03:46:49,461
pursue some investigations or

6343
03:46:50,297 --> 03:46:54,497
what what is the what is the

6344
03:46:54,668 --> 03:46:56,771
point on this. Well, our my

6345
03:46:56,771 --> 03:46:58,372
understanding is in talking

6346
03:46:58,372 --> 03:46:59,840
with you is that there MAY be

6347
03:46:59,840 --> 03:47:01,141
certain code provisions

6348
03:47:01,141 --> 03:47:02,710
specifically relating to the

6349
03:47:02,710 --> 03:47:05,178
swale that our code enforcement

6350
03:47:05,178 --> 03:47:07,481
officers feel are not clear

6351
03:47:07,481 --> 03:47:09,683
enough for them to enforce

6352
03:47:09,683 --> 03:47:11,151
certain aspects based on the

6353
03:47:11,151 --> 03:47:13,420
existing code, based on the

6354
03:47:13,420 --> 03:47:16,256
existing code. Yes, and there

6355
03:47:16,256 --> 03:47:18,325
MAY be a need to update that to

6356
03:47:18,325 --> 03:47:20,725
give the code compliance

6357
03:47:21,161 --> 03:47:22,563
officers comfort inciting

6358
03:47:22,563 --> 03:47:24,963
homeowners or property owners

6359
03:47:25,265 --> 03:47:27,568
that are not consistent with

6360
03:47:27,568 --> 03:47:30,738
the code, as maybe what the

6361
03:47:30,738 --> 03:47:32,139
village would like to see. So I

6362
03:47:32,139 --> 03:47:33,473
mean, underneath our code, if

6363
03:47:33,473 --> 03:47:35,742
they have personal knowledge or

6364
03:47:35,742 --> 03:47:37,545
they they see a violation, they

6365
03:47:37,545 --> 03:47:39,346
can cite somebody. However it

6366
03:47:39,346 --> 03:47:41,181
sounds in speaking with you

6367
03:47:41,181 --> 03:47:43,840
that they're uncomfortable with

6368
03:47:43,840 --> 03:47:45,953
the current language and are

6369
03:47:45,953 --> 03:47:47,121
looking for guidance. Okay,

6370
03:47:47,121 --> 03:47:50,721
Jeremy, can you shed light on

6371
03:47:53,326 --> 03:47:54,662
that? Yeah. So the the

6372
03:47:54,662 --> 03:47:57,620
applicable codes are sections

6373
03:47:58,198 --> 03:48:01,198
of the Public Works Ordinance.

6374
03:48:03,136 --> 03:48:04,638
That and and the applicability

6375
03:48:04,638 --> 03:48:06,473
to Swales is always a bit

6376
03:48:06,473 --> 03:48:08,873
tricky because it's something

6377
03:48:09,209 --> 03:48:11,311
that is it's not owned. But we

6378
03:48:11,311 --> 03:48:13,113
manage the right of way. The

6379
03:48:13,113 --> 03:48:15,513
village effectively owns the

6380
03:48:15,516 --> 03:48:17,317
right of way. But the

6381
03:48:17,317 --> 03:48:19,317
homeowners responsible for

6382
03:48:20,287 --> 03:48:22,220
maintaining it and then the we

6383
03:48:22,220 --> 03:48:23,357
also have certain issues in our

6384
03:48:23,357 --> 03:48:25,760
code. Our code says you can

6385
03:48:25,760 --> 03:48:28,760
only have turf for certain

6386
03:48:29,530 --> 03:48:32,990
portions of adjacent to asphalt,

6387
03:48:32,990 --> 03:48:34,769
but in fact, it's not practical

6388
03:48:34,769 --> 03:48:35,569
to only have turf in certain

6389
03:48:35,569 --> 03:48:37,969
neighborhoods where you have

6390
03:48:39,339 --> 03:48:40,341
repeated flooding, regular

6391
03:48:40,341 --> 03:48:42,610
flooding through the entire

6392
03:48:42,610 --> 03:48:45,212
rainy season. So those areas

6393
03:48:45,212 --> 03:48:47,381
get completely rutted and you

6394
03:48:47,381 --> 03:48:49,583
can't you end up with a churned

6395
03:48:49,583 --> 03:48:51,452
up mud. So and in fact, we've

6396
03:48:51,452 --> 03:48:54,220
allowed people to have certain

6397
03:48:54,220 --> 03:48:56,570
types of gravel to replace turf

6398
03:48:56,570 --> 03:48:58,457
because it is completely

6399
03:48:58,659 --> 03:49:00,194
impractical to have turf. But

6400
03:49:00,194 --> 03:49:03,300
to to the specific point,

6401
03:49:03,300 --> 03:49:06,300
Jeremy, the the buttons that

6402
03:49:06,834 --> 03:49:09,336
you see, the, the, the stakes

6403
03:49:09,336 --> 03:49:11,438
in the ground that are they put

6404
03:49:11,438 --> 03:49:13,838
concrete underneath all those

6405
03:49:14,208 --> 03:49:16,760
things. Are they against our

6406
03:49:16,760 --> 03:49:18,278
code within a certain distance

6407
03:49:18,278 --> 03:49:21,878
from the edge of asphalt? Yes.

6408
03:49:22,216 --> 03:49:24,840
Okay. And and are people

6409
03:49:24,840 --> 03:49:26,320
driving around? Do they not see

6410
03:49:26,320 --> 03:49:29,550
that or are they told not to

6411
03:49:29,550 --> 03:49:29,590
enforce that? No. We we have

6412
03:49:29,590 --> 03:49:31,990
been we've been enforcing

6413
03:49:32,159 --> 03:49:33,593
things that are a danger. Yeah.

6414
03:49:33,593 --> 03:49:35,195
Right. When when somebody

6415
03:49:35,195 --> 03:49:37,364
creates a tripping hazard, when

6416
03:49:37,364 --> 03:49:39,764
somebody creates something that

6417
03:49:40,233 --> 03:49:42,703
is a clear violation. Yes.

6418
03:49:42,703 --> 03:49:43,504
We've been we we enforce that

6419
03:49:43,504 --> 03:49:45,339
simple question, Jeremy. When

6420
03:49:45,339 --> 03:49:48,275
they block the access to the

6421
03:49:48,275 --> 03:49:51,111
swale by this concrete thing,

6422
03:49:51,111 --> 03:49:53,313
poles by reflectors by anything,

6423
03:49:53,313 --> 03:49:55,516
it's not legal. Is that against

6424
03:49:55,516 --> 03:49:56,282
our code? It is within a

6425
03:49:56,282 --> 03:49:58,452
certain distance from the edge

6426
03:49:58,452 --> 03:50:00,388
of of pavement. There's the

6427
03:50:00,388 --> 03:50:02,222
pavement. Here's the property

6428
03:50:02,222 --> 03:50:05,492
line in that area is the swale.

6429
03:50:05,492 --> 03:50:07,428
Is it a against our code in

6430
03:50:07,428 --> 03:50:09,596
that area to block it? Yes or

6431
03:50:09,596 --> 03:50:11,165
no? I know you're allowed to

6432
03:50:11,165 --> 03:50:13,300
have certain landscape elements.

6433
03:50:13,300 --> 03:50:15,168
I'd have to check the code to

6434
03:50:15,168 --> 03:50:17,237
be clear. There's, there's it's

6435
03:50:17,237 --> 03:50:19,730
not as straightforward as

6436
03:50:19,730 --> 03:50:21,241
property line. So you can you

6437
03:50:21,241 --> 03:50:22,643
can block it. Then you can have

6438
03:50:22,643 --> 03:50:24,111
for instance, you're allowed to

6439
03:50:24,111 --> 03:50:26,747
have shrubs over a certain

6440
03:50:26,747 --> 03:50:27,380
height that are effectively

6441
03:50:27,380 --> 03:50:29,282
blocking it. We're talking

6442
03:50:29,282 --> 03:50:30,951
about people putting posts in

6443
03:50:30,951 --> 03:50:33,187
the ground and putting chains

6444
03:50:33,187 --> 03:50:35,255
across the across the post and

6445
03:50:35,255 --> 03:50:36,657
ropes or whatever. And blocking

6446
03:50:36,657 --> 03:50:38,592
say, is that against the code?

6447
03:50:38,592 --> 03:50:39,493
That's what. But that's what

6448
03:50:39,493 --> 03:50:41,328
John's talking about. I mean,

6449
03:50:41,328 --> 03:50:43,330
we're talking about these sort

6450
03:50:43,330 --> 03:50:45,465
of blatant divisions, basically

6451
03:50:45,465 --> 03:50:47,234
saying, don't park here. This

6452
03:50:47,234 --> 03:50:48,435
is my this is my grass. I don't

6453
03:50:48,435 --> 03:50:50,170
want you running over it. And

6454
03:50:50,170 --> 03:50:51,304
that's kind of what this the

6455
03:50:51,304 --> 03:50:53,474
purpose of those, those things

6456
03:50:53,474 --> 03:50:54,174
are I mean, they're to block

6457
03:50:54,174 --> 03:50:55,409
people from parking on the

6458
03:50:55,409 --> 03:50:57,243
swale. And, and I think what

6459
03:50:57,243 --> 03:50:58,512
we're asking is, is this

6460
03:50:58,512 --> 03:51:00,800
against the code or not against

6461
03:51:00,800 --> 03:51:01,248
the code? I think John's very

6462
03:51:01,248 --> 03:51:03,183
clearly says this is against

6463
03:51:03,183 --> 03:51:04,685
the code, and he wants this

6464
03:51:04,685 --> 03:51:05,652
kind of addressed. If you're

6465
03:51:05,652 --> 03:51:06,787
suggesting that it's not 100%

6466
03:51:06,787 --> 03:51:08,722
clear what Mike is suggesting,

6467
03:51:08,722 --> 03:51:09,890
do you have a resolution? Do

6468
03:51:09,890 --> 03:51:10,824
you have a solution for this

6469
03:51:10,824 --> 03:51:12,824
other than consistently

6470
03:51:13,560 --> 03:51:14,328
policing it? Yeah, I mean, I do

6471
03:51:14,328 --> 03:51:16,230
I do think consistency in

6472
03:51:16,230 --> 03:51:18,198
policing is part of the issue.

6473
03:51:18,198 --> 03:51:19,332
It's look, it's part of the

6474
03:51:19,332 --> 03:51:21,502
reason we've brought a third

6475
03:51:21,502 --> 03:51:22,569
person on so that we can do

6476
03:51:22,569 --> 03:51:23,237
something other than just

6477
03:51:23,237 --> 03:51:25,637
monitor construction sites with

6478
03:51:26,106 --> 03:51:28,708
the rest of our staff. And I

6479
03:51:28,708 --> 03:51:30,110
think we could do more thorough

6480
03:51:30,110 --> 03:51:33,110
policing of these. There is

6481
03:51:33,546 --> 03:51:35,480
certain vague vagueness in the

6482
03:51:35,480 --> 03:51:37,518
code that wouldn't we could we

6483
03:51:37,518 --> 03:51:39,185
could stand to improve the

6484
03:51:39,185 --> 03:51:41,154
partly it's it's the fact that

6485
03:51:41,154 --> 03:51:42,289
it's sort of scattered around

6486
03:51:42,289 --> 03:51:44,124
in different portions of the

6487
03:51:44,124 --> 03:51:46,527
code that we have. Some of it's

6488
03:51:46,527 --> 03:51:47,460
in landscape, some of it's in

6489
03:51:47,460 --> 03:51:49,530
the Public works ordinance. And

6490
03:51:49,530 --> 03:51:51,264
we're also dealing with county

6491
03:51:51,264 --> 03:51:53,233
and county requirements for

6492
03:51:53,233 --> 03:51:55,169
roadway sections that even if

6493
03:51:55,169 --> 03:51:57,337
it's not a county road, they do.

6494
03:51:57,337 --> 03:51:58,672
We have a way forward to yeah,

6495
03:51:58,672 --> 03:52:01,410
I think we have a way forward

6496
03:52:01,410 --> 03:52:03,441
to improve, improve, improve

6497
03:52:03,810 --> 03:52:05,810
enforcement under existing

6498
03:52:06,213 --> 03:52:08,810
rules. Okay. We can step up

6499
03:52:08,810 --> 03:52:10,810
enforcement under existing

6500
03:52:10,451 --> 03:52:12,286
rules. Is it a matter of better

6501
03:52:12,286 --> 03:52:14,320
educating the code enforcement

6502
03:52:14,320 --> 03:52:16,757
people so they know also? Yeah

6503
03:52:16,757 --> 03:52:18,124
I mean I think it's it's it's

6504
03:52:18,124 --> 03:52:20,524
not a complicated educational

6505
03:52:21,194 --> 03:52:22,663
process. Like they they know

6506
03:52:22,663 --> 03:52:23,596
it's been resource strapped so

6507
03:52:23,596 --> 03:52:26,596
we can improve enforcement on

6508
03:52:26,800 --> 03:52:28,101
this. Can I suggest that we

6509
03:52:28,101 --> 03:52:31,701
prepare a plan that talks about

6510
03:52:31,838 --> 03:52:34,238
clarifying the code, policing

6511
03:52:34,675 --> 03:52:36,409
the code. This is my suggestion.

6512
03:52:36,409 --> 03:52:38,112
First, let me pull all these

6513
03:52:38,112 --> 03:52:39,646
things. And Chris would have to

6514
03:52:39,646 --> 03:52:41,348
be involved just in the right

6515
03:52:41,348 --> 03:52:43,416
away. I think I have him on my

6516
03:52:43,416 --> 03:52:44,584
whiteboard right now, by the

6517
03:52:44,584 --> 03:52:45,519
way. We'll pull it out and

6518
03:52:45,519 --> 03:52:47,454
we'll tell you everything that

6519
03:52:47,454 --> 03:52:48,722
is in the code right now so

6520
03:52:48,722 --> 03:52:49,455
that we clearly understand

6521
03:52:49,455 --> 03:52:51,191
what's what's assessed the code.

6522
03:52:51,191 --> 03:52:53,827
Before we talk about changing

6523
03:52:53,827 --> 03:52:54,595
it. It MAY be what we want.

6524
03:52:54,595 --> 03:52:56,463
We'll come back to you on

6525
03:52:56,463 --> 03:52:58,665
DECEMBER. Let's, let's let

6526
03:52:58,665 --> 03:53:01,650
let's start the education

6527
03:53:01,301 --> 03:53:02,235
process okay. But we have to

6528
03:53:02,235 --> 03:53:04,404
educate. We have to pull it out

6529
03:53:04,404 --> 03:53:06,606
and we have to. It sounds like

6530
03:53:06,606 --> 03:53:07,174
there's unclarity even amongst

6531
03:53:07,174 --> 03:53:09,609
the leadership on what that

6532
03:53:09,609 --> 03:53:10,376
code looks like. So I don't I

6533
03:53:10,376 --> 03:53:12,179
don't know if it's necessarily

6534
03:53:12,179 --> 03:53:13,446
clarity. I think it's just the

6535
03:53:13,446 --> 03:53:15,883
lack of enforcement over the

6536
03:53:15,883 --> 03:53:17,418
last 20 or 30 years is kind of

6537
03:53:17,418 --> 03:53:18,618
put people in a difficult

6538
03:53:18,618 --> 03:53:20,453
situation. We also got a

6539
03:53:20,453 --> 03:53:22,489
responsibility to yeah, there

6540
03:53:22,489 --> 03:53:24,190
is and I and I think that it's

6541
03:53:24,190 --> 03:53:25,392
more the point of it's, it's in

6542
03:53:25,392 --> 03:53:27,260
a couple of different sections

6543
03:53:27,260 --> 03:53:28,328
of the code. It's about

6544
03:53:28,328 --> 03:53:30,130
consolidating it. So we

6545
03:53:30,130 --> 03:53:31,364
understand what we're dealing

6546
03:53:31,364 --> 03:53:33,333
with. It's not I don't know

6547
03:53:33,333 --> 03:53:35,202
that we'll need to redraw or

6548
03:53:35,202 --> 03:53:37,337
rewrite anything. But we also

6549
03:53:37,337 --> 03:53:38,639
guys we got to be we got to be

6550
03:53:38,639 --> 03:53:39,505
conscientious. We just can't go

6551
03:53:39,505 --> 03:53:40,474
and start finding citizens

6552
03:53:40,474 --> 03:53:41,575
because they've got they've

6553
03:53:41,575 --> 03:53:43,143
done this because their

6554
03:53:43,143 --> 03:53:45,612
neighbor did it and the guy

6555
03:53:45,612 --> 03:53:46,446
down the street did it. So we

6556
03:53:46,446 --> 03:53:49,116
got to there needs to be

6557
03:53:49,116 --> 03:53:50,317
there's got to be some some hey.

6558
03:53:50,317 --> 03:53:51,551
Yeah. It's got to be. Hey, guys,

6559
03:53:51,551 --> 03:53:52,486
by the way, you understand this

6560
03:53:52,486 --> 03:53:54,220
is not appropriate. Here's a

6561
03:53:54,220 --> 03:53:56,590
warning. Please take it out by

6562
03:53:56,590 --> 03:53:58,191
x period of time. I have a

6563
03:53:58,191 --> 03:53:59,392
legal question. Are we going to.

6564
03:53:59,392 --> 03:54:01,995
Get responses like, I've had

6565
03:54:01,995 --> 03:54:04,798
those coral rocks for 40 years

6566
03:54:04,798 --> 03:54:08,368
in my swale, and now you're

6567
03:54:08,368 --> 03:54:10,270
citing me because. Or that I'm

6568
03:54:10,270 --> 03:54:11,204
sure there will be some people

6569
03:54:11,204 --> 03:54:13,440
saying there definitely will be.

6570
03:54:13,440 --> 03:54:14,608
I think there's a I think

6571
03:54:14,608 --> 03:54:16,142
there's a significant case

6572
03:54:16,142 --> 03:54:18,612
study that I would recommend

6573
03:54:18,612 --> 03:54:19,679
you talk with Miami Beach on

6574
03:54:19,679 --> 03:54:21,679
their encroachment removal

6575
03:54:22,248 --> 03:54:24,500
policies and what they

6576
03:54:24,500 --> 03:54:26,220
encountered. They had to it's,

6577
03:54:26,220 --> 03:54:28,121
you know, normal shrubs and

6578
03:54:28,121 --> 03:54:30,423
saplings, whatever. Not that

6579
03:54:30,423 --> 03:54:31,524
hard to remove. But when you're

6580
03:54:31,524 --> 03:54:33,526
talking about an oak tree or

6581
03:54:33,526 --> 03:54:35,261
you're talking about an

6582
03:54:35,261 --> 03:54:36,563
instances driveways built over

6583
03:54:36,563 --> 03:54:38,264
easements where pipes should be

6584
03:54:38,264 --> 03:54:40,634
out for outfalls, those are a

6585
03:54:40,634 --> 03:54:42,301
little hard to remove, but

6586
03:54:42,301 --> 03:54:44,371
still legally we can remove

6587
03:54:44,371 --> 03:54:45,872
them. So just, you know, I

6588
03:54:45,872 --> 03:54:47,374
think that it for council

6589
03:54:47,374 --> 03:54:49,142
purposes, I mean, it really

6590
03:54:49,142 --> 03:54:50,943
should give you a sense of what

6591
03:54:50,943 --> 03:54:52,312
the breadth and scope is of

6592
03:54:52,312 --> 03:54:53,546
this. This is not just removing

6593
03:54:53,546 --> 03:54:55,282
stuff off the swale. These are

6594
03:54:55,282 --> 03:54:57,283
people that have planted a tree

6595
03:54:57,283 --> 03:54:59,753
for their dead dog. Say, you

6596
03:54:59,753 --> 03:55:03,353
know, and it. I'm serious. I've

6597
03:55:04,224 --> 03:55:07,294
had or those are just walls. So

6598
03:55:07,294 --> 03:55:09,362
I give you a courtesy. Two

6599
03:55:09,362 --> 03:55:12,362
seconds here. Come on. Forward.

6600
03:55:12,532 --> 03:55:14,601
Are you done, John? Three. Two

6601
03:55:14,601 --> 03:55:16,503
seconds are up. John Fester,

6602
03:55:16,503 --> 03:55:18,138
695 Harbor Lane. I came here

6603
03:55:18,138 --> 03:55:21,138
eight months ago. Then six

6604
03:55:22,909 --> 03:55:24,377
months ago, and nothing has

6605
03:55:24,377 --> 03:55:26,479
been done. As a matter of fact,

6606
03:55:26,479 --> 03:55:27,280
six months ago you said you

6607
03:55:27,280 --> 03:55:28,414
were going to schedule a

6608
03:55:28,414 --> 03:55:30,484
workshop. I know you're going

6609
03:55:30,484 --> 03:55:32,652
to do it now. The building and

6610
03:55:32,652 --> 03:55:33,720
zoning director. I asked him

6611
03:55:33,720 --> 03:55:35,455
specifically about the absolute

6612
03:55:35,455 --> 03:55:37,424
violations of our code. Our

6613
03:55:37,424 --> 03:55:40,360
code is not complicated. It's

6614
03:55:40,360 --> 03:55:42,362
very simple. Absolutely. Very

6615
03:55:42,362 --> 03:55:44,331
simple. And what I was focusing

6616
03:55:44,331 --> 03:55:47,234
on was exactly what Joe

6617
03:55:47,234 --> 03:55:50,234
mentioned. The pipes, the rocks,

6618
03:55:50,837 --> 03:55:54,437
the ropes, the ropes, the wood.

6619
03:55:55,208 --> 03:55:57,344
Ugly. And also present a hazard

6620
03:55:57,344 --> 03:55:59,412
for pedestrians, bicycles and

6621
03:55:59,412 --> 03:56:02,582
cars should they need to swerve

6622
03:56:02,582 --> 03:56:04,650
into the swale. Right. When I

6623
03:56:04,650 --> 03:56:06,386
talked to Jeremy eight months

6624
03:56:06,386 --> 03:56:09,880
ago at his office, I was told

6625
03:56:09,880 --> 03:56:12,425
it's a major problem for him.

6626
03:56:12,425 --> 03:56:14,194
And you can you can debate what

6627
03:56:14,194 --> 03:56:16,296
I'm going to say. But what I

6628
03:56:16,296 --> 03:56:18,565
thought I heard was that

6629
03:56:18,565 --> 03:56:20,600
previous councils have said

6630
03:56:20,600 --> 03:56:22,235
it's difficult. Lay off it for

6631
03:56:22,235 --> 03:56:24,304
now. So and he actually

6632
03:56:24,304 --> 03:56:26,720
encouraged me to come and talk

6633
03:56:26,720 --> 03:56:27,674
about it, because he wanted

6634
03:56:27,674 --> 03:56:30,740
this council to provide

6635
03:56:30,510 --> 03:56:32,112
guidance. So we did the study

6636
03:56:32,112 --> 03:56:34,810
in terms of mentioning to

6637
03:56:34,810 --> 03:56:35,615
everybody what was the problem.

6638
03:56:35,615 --> 03:56:37,351
You schedule a workshop.

6639
03:56:37,351 --> 03:56:39,850
Nothing's happened. I asked

6640
03:56:39,850 --> 03:56:41,654
them that evening back in MAY

6641
03:56:41,654 --> 03:56:44,390
if he would at least remove the

6642
03:56:44,390 --> 03:56:45,659
posts, and he said, I will not

6643
03:56:45,659 --> 03:56:47,861
do selective enforcement. Those

6644
03:56:47,861 --> 03:56:49,229
were his words. It got a little

6645
03:56:49,229 --> 03:56:52,431
heated exchange, but he did say

6646
03:56:52,431 --> 03:56:54,201
that if I went and told him the

6647
03:56:54,201 --> 03:56:55,335
addresses, he would said code

6648
03:56:55,335 --> 03:56:57,735
compliance over there. That's

6649
03:56:58,504 --> 03:57:00,373
not the way to run a village.

6650
03:57:00,373 --> 03:57:02,241
You had low lying fruit from a

6651
03:57:02,241 --> 03:57:05,241
tree that could easily have

6652
03:57:05,311 --> 03:57:07,180
been taken care of years ago.

6653
03:57:07,180 --> 03:57:09,782
Those low lying fruit have now

6654
03:57:09,782 --> 03:57:11,217
fallen on the ground. They're

6655
03:57:11,217 --> 03:57:13,352
rotting. More and more people

6656
03:57:13,352 --> 03:57:15,421
are putting things up. There's

6657
03:57:15,421 --> 03:57:17,390
one house that has three

6658
03:57:17,390 --> 03:57:20,390
different types of posts, not

6659
03:57:20,560 --> 03:57:23,560
even uniformity. So all I'm

6660
03:57:23,596 --> 03:57:26,532
asking you to do now is two

6661
03:57:26,532 --> 03:57:28,932
things. Acknowledge that your

6662
03:57:29,702 --> 03:57:32,238
code is clear on this specific

6663
03:57:32,238 --> 03:57:34,107
item. Number one. Number two,

6664
03:57:34,107 --> 03:57:36,507
instruct the building zoning

6665
03:57:37,410 --> 03:57:40,379
department to develop a plan to

6666
03:57:40,379 --> 03:57:43,149
have those removed as soon as

6667
03:57:43,149 --> 03:57:45,251
possible. I would recommend you

6668
03:57:45,251 --> 03:57:46,452
write a letter to all the

6669
03:57:46,452 --> 03:57:48,154
village residents that owned

6670
03:57:48,154 --> 03:57:50,290
home and tell them about the

6671
03:57:50,290 --> 03:57:51,524
problem, and that we are going

6672
03:57:51,524 --> 03:57:54,524
to start enforcing this, and

6673
03:57:54,560 --> 03:57:57,496
they have x weeks to remove

6674
03:57:57,496 --> 03:57:59,398
these education campaign. Write

6675
03:57:59,398 --> 03:58:01,334
x weeks to remove it. If after

6676
03:58:01,334 --> 03:58:03,770
those things are not removed,

6677
03:58:03,770 --> 03:58:05,104
then you will refer to the

6678
03:58:05,104 --> 03:58:07,273
special magistrate for finding.

6679
03:58:07,273 --> 03:58:09,442
That's the way it's done. Get

6680
03:58:09,442 --> 03:58:12,445
that done with. That's the easy

6681
03:58:12,445 --> 03:58:14,147
thing to do. Now, the workshop

6682
03:58:14,147 --> 03:58:16,547
where the administration could

6683
03:58:17,350 --> 03:58:18,584
say, we need clarity on what to

6684
03:58:18,584 --> 03:58:21,254
put in the swales versus

6685
03:58:21,254 --> 03:58:23,289
drainage, rock or other things,

6686
03:58:23,289 --> 03:58:25,658
trees. It's very clear about

6687
03:58:25,658 --> 03:58:28,610
trees. It's very clear about

6688
03:58:28,610 --> 03:58:30,230
the 3 foot or 6 foot clear zone.

6689
03:58:30,230 --> 03:58:32,650
What you could put in there,

6690
03:58:32,650 --> 03:58:33,399
develop that in the workshop.

6691
03:58:33,399 --> 03:58:35,502
Also in the workshop. I'll

6692
03:58:35,502 --> 03:58:37,169
bring it up. Now. You should

6693
03:58:37,169 --> 03:58:38,805
discuss whether you could, how

6694
03:58:38,805 --> 03:58:40,440
you're going to allow people to

6695
03:58:40,440 --> 03:58:42,175
put artificial turf in the

6696
03:58:42,175 --> 03:58:44,710
front, because you should be

6697
03:58:44,710 --> 03:58:46,112
aware that the state of Florida

6698
03:58:46,112 --> 03:58:48,112
prohibits municipalities from

6699
03:58:48,181 --> 03:58:49,549
not allowing artificial turf.

6700
03:58:49,549 --> 03:58:52,385
So you need to rewrite your

6701
03:58:52,385 --> 03:58:53,520
zoning code on that as well. So

6702
03:58:53,520 --> 03:58:55,121
that could be part of the

6703
03:58:55,121 --> 03:58:57,356
workshop. All right, John,

6704
03:58:57,356 --> 03:58:59,558
thank you. But I but I do want

6705
03:58:59,558 --> 03:59:01,194
you to ask building and Zoning

6706
03:59:01,194 --> 03:59:03,362
to start enforcing it now and

6707
03:59:03,362 --> 03:59:04,264
not waiting. I think we have

6708
03:59:04,264 --> 03:59:07,264
consensus of council on that.

6709
03:59:08,869 --> 03:59:10,536
So yeah. Yeah definitely. Yeah.

6710
03:59:10,536 --> 03:59:14,136
Yes. Okay. One more thing for

6711
03:59:15,274 --> 03:59:17,109
Jeremy. Jeremy. I don't know.

6712
03:59:17,109 --> 03:59:19,479
We in our code, do we have any

6713
03:59:19,479 --> 03:59:20,646
sight lines at corner lots

6714
03:59:20,646 --> 03:59:22,348
going on to intersections? Yeah

6715
03:59:22,348 --> 03:59:24,117
we have requirements for clear

6716
03:59:24,117 --> 03:59:26,453
sight lines. Well I gotta tell

6717
03:59:26,453 --> 03:59:28,288
you, there's a number of places

6718
03:59:28,288 --> 03:59:29,789
in this game when you pull to a

6719
03:59:29,789 --> 03:59:31,323
corner and you cannot see

6720
03:59:31,323 --> 03:59:32,425
around. And I guess it's really

6721
03:59:32,425 --> 03:59:34,825
code enforcement type thing

6722
03:59:35,528 --> 03:59:37,631
again. So I would like to again,

6723
03:59:37,631 --> 03:59:38,497
if people have a whatever

6724
03:59:38,497 --> 03:59:40,299
they're putting out there to

6725
03:59:40,299 --> 03:59:42,301
have them, the code enforcement

6726
03:59:42,301 --> 03:59:44,203
go ahead and say, listen, you

6727
03:59:44,203 --> 03:59:45,338
have to remove that. Maybe

6728
03:59:45,338 --> 03:59:47,173
they're putting it out and they

6729
03:59:47,173 --> 03:59:49,475
have no idea. When we see the

6730
03:59:49,475 --> 03:59:51,344
when we notice those issues, we

6731
03:59:51,344 --> 03:59:52,178
act on it. Well, I'll send you

6732
03:59:52,178 --> 03:59:54,247
a few pictures tomorrow. Are we

6733
03:59:54,247 --> 03:59:56,415
supposed to go out and tell you?

6734
03:59:56,415 --> 03:59:58,840
Well, look, when my when my

6735
03:59:58,840 --> 03:59:59,319
team sees it or notices it, but

6736
03:59:59,319 --> 04:00:01,788
I'll tell them about it. They

6737
04:00:01,788 --> 04:00:03,122
might do it because. Yeah. Yeah

6738
04:00:03,122 --> 04:00:05,325
I would love to. When they

6739
04:00:05,325 --> 04:00:07,600
notice them, they act on it.

6740
04:00:07,600 --> 04:00:09,295
When they, when they've done it

6741
04:00:09,295 --> 04:00:11,300
driven by it 50 times and they

6742
04:00:11,300 --> 04:00:13,699
stop noticing it. Sometimes you

6743
04:00:13,699 --> 04:00:16,169
stop seeing these things. So we

6744
04:00:16,169 --> 04:00:18,169
always, always welcome

6745
04:00:18,304 --> 04:00:20,240
information or problems so that

6746
04:00:20,240 --> 04:00:21,607
we can act on it. I would just

6747
04:00:21,607 --> 04:00:23,176
suggest you might want to

6748
04:00:23,176 --> 04:00:25,645
mention it to him. Yeah. I just

6749
04:00:25,645 --> 04:00:26,646
want to be clear. So are you

6750
04:00:26,646 --> 04:00:27,446
directing the administration to

6751
04:00:27,446 --> 04:00:30,149
enforce our codes in our line

6752
04:00:30,149 --> 04:00:31,351
of sight codes? Just want to be

6753
04:00:31,351 --> 04:00:33,119
clear. That's the case. Jeremy

6754
04:00:33,119 --> 04:00:35,321
and I will. And I will come up

6755
04:00:35,321 --> 04:00:36,422
with a plan. If we want to wait

6756
04:00:36,422 --> 04:00:38,391
until after the workshop. But

6757
04:00:38,391 --> 04:00:41,360
but the the the main message

6758
04:00:41,360 --> 04:00:44,130
was start, you know, giving the

6759
04:00:44,130 --> 04:00:46,999
education. And in those cases

6760
04:00:46,999 --> 04:00:48,668
that are, you know, really bad

6761
04:00:48,668 --> 04:00:51,871
then you got you got to cite

6762
04:00:51,871 --> 04:00:53,173
them. Yeah. No, I think we'll

6763
04:00:53,173 --> 04:00:54,307
come up with we'll start

6764
04:00:54,307 --> 04:00:55,841
educating the residents and

6765
04:00:55,841 --> 04:00:57,143
that'll get them maybe excited

6766
04:00:57,143 --> 04:00:58,444
about coming to a workshop and

6767
04:00:58,444 --> 04:01:00,113
talking about their ideas or

6768
04:01:00,113 --> 04:01:02,181
whatever, getting a bunch of

6769
04:01:02,181 --> 04:01:03,516
citations out there will drive

6770
04:01:03,516 --> 04:01:05,251
attendance to a workshop. Part

6771
04:01:05,251 --> 04:01:07,720
of our code is such that you're

6772
04:01:07,720 --> 04:01:09,189
not. You have all these houses

6773
04:01:09,189 --> 04:01:10,156
that do not have grass out

6774
04:01:10,156 --> 04:01:12,158
there because it's mud and

6775
04:01:12,158 --> 04:01:14,593
water, etc. You want to start,

6776
04:01:14,593 --> 04:01:15,595
you don't want to enforce that.

6777
04:01:15,595 --> 04:01:16,629
We're now talking about

6778
04:01:16,629 --> 04:01:18,198
enforcing blockage of the

6779
04:01:18,198 --> 04:01:20,598
obstructions. Yeah, I think

6780
04:01:21,734 --> 04:01:22,401
there's a because I also have

6781
04:01:22,401 --> 04:01:24,204
the villages. I think that

6782
04:01:24,204 --> 04:01:25,605
there's a low hanging fruit. I

6783
04:01:25,605 --> 04:01:27,173
mean, I'll be in noncompliance.

6784
04:01:27,173 --> 04:01:29,308
I have the villages. Everybody

6785
04:01:29,308 --> 04:01:31,430
has the and by the way, I have

6786
04:01:31,430 --> 04:01:32,211
approval in writing to, to be

6787
04:01:32,211 --> 04:01:34,180
able to put the rocks in the

6788
04:01:34,180 --> 04:01:35,447
front yard. So look, this is

6789
04:01:35,447 --> 04:01:36,282
where it gets confusing because

6790
04:01:36,282 --> 04:01:38,184
they're picking and choosing up

6791
04:01:38,184 --> 04:01:39,352
here before you were here. Why

6792
04:01:39,352 --> 04:01:40,319
don't we do this? Because

6793
04:01:40,319 --> 04:01:42,121
that's not very far away. It's

6794
04:01:42,121 --> 04:01:43,355
DECEMBER 9th. Let's pull the

6795
04:01:43,355 --> 04:01:45,725
stuff. Everything that we have

6796
04:01:45,725 --> 04:01:46,358
on the swales out of the code,

6797
04:01:46,358 --> 04:01:48,361
we'll bring it to you, show it

6798
04:01:48,361 --> 04:01:50,229
to you on DECEMBER 9th, and

6799
04:01:50,229 --> 04:01:51,464
then we can take a look at it

6800
04:01:51,464 --> 04:01:53,299
and then talk about. But start

6801
04:01:53,299 --> 04:01:55,701
the education process. Yeah. No,

6802
04:01:55,701 --> 04:01:56,168
no we will I mean we can't wait.

6803
04:01:56,168 --> 04:01:57,169
Education is educating

6804
04:01:57,169 --> 04:01:58,637
ourselves as well as as well.

6805
04:01:58,637 --> 04:01:59,238
Right. All right. We're already

6806
04:01:59,238 --> 04:02:00,306
talking about selective

6807
04:02:00,306 --> 04:02:02,441
enforcement up here. So we're

6808
04:02:02,441 --> 04:02:04,844
either going to do it or we're

6809
04:02:04,844 --> 04:02:06,345
not going to do it okay Nancy

6810
04:02:06,345 --> 04:02:07,880
you want to take 12 b and 12 c

6811
04:02:07,880 --> 04:02:11,480
okay. We'll see how long it's

6812
04:02:15,321 --> 04:02:17,190
going to take. On 12 b. I think

6813
04:02:17,190 --> 04:02:19,590
our Board of Special

6814
04:02:20,692 --> 04:02:23,196
magistrates having a board is

6815
04:02:23,196 --> 04:02:24,563
not really serving the, the the

6816
04:02:24,563 --> 04:02:26,232
village very well. Everyone on

6817
04:02:26,232 --> 04:02:28,300
the board is doing a great job

6818
04:02:28,300 --> 04:02:30,303
and it has nothing to do with

6819
04:02:30,303 --> 04:02:32,538
who's on the board. It has to

6820
04:02:32,538 --> 04:02:33,806
do with our structure and other

6821
04:02:33,806 --> 04:02:35,107
municipalities. Rather, some

6822
04:02:35,107 --> 04:02:37,243
have a board, but many

6823
04:02:37,243 --> 04:02:39,245
municipalities have a special

6824
04:02:39,245 --> 04:02:40,279
magistrate or a special master

6825
04:02:40,279 --> 04:02:43,820
because this is a quasi

6826
04:02:43,820 --> 04:02:45,217
judicial hearing. And the

6827
04:02:45,217 --> 04:02:47,487
purpose of the hearing really

6828
04:02:47,487 --> 04:02:50,523
is fact finding is making a

6829
04:02:50,523 --> 04:02:51,490
record. Because when people

6830
04:02:51,490 --> 04:02:54,490
disagree with the facts that

6831
04:02:54,927 --> 04:02:57,530
are found by the magistrate,

6832
04:02:57,530 --> 04:02:58,163
they can appeal to the court.

6833
04:02:58,163 --> 04:03:00,563
And I circulated today

6834
04:03:00,900 --> 04:03:02,502
something to show you what

6835
04:03:02,502 --> 04:03:05,404
happens when when we don't have

6836
04:03:05,404 --> 04:03:06,639
people in that position who

6837
04:03:06,639 --> 04:03:09,390
understand what the function

6838
04:03:09,275 --> 04:03:10,476
and are not qualified to

6839
04:03:10,476 --> 04:03:13,476
perform the function of that

6840
04:03:13,746 --> 04:03:17,316
body. So my suggestion is that

6841
04:03:17,316 --> 04:03:21,516
we do away with the the board

6842
04:03:24,757 --> 04:03:27,961
and that we appoint two lawyers

6843
04:03:27,961 --> 04:03:30,361
who have litigation experience.

6844
04:03:31,397 --> 04:03:34,990
For pay to serve as the special

6845
04:03:34,990 --> 04:03:35,968
master. And if anyone read the

6846
04:03:35,968 --> 04:03:37,736
opinion that I sent around

6847
04:03:37,736 --> 04:03:40,736
today, you will understand why

6848
04:03:41,808 --> 04:03:45,408
that is so important. I read

6849
04:03:47,846 --> 04:03:51,500
the opinion. I don't know if

6850
04:03:51,500 --> 04:03:53,286
certainly there seemingly was

6851
04:03:53,286 --> 04:03:55,588
maybe a failure to hear certain

6852
04:03:55,588 --> 04:03:57,256
evidence or certain

6853
04:03:57,256 --> 04:03:58,457
conversation or discussion. I

6854
04:03:58,457 --> 04:04:00,159
don't know what the outcome, if

6855
04:04:00,159 --> 04:04:01,259
the outcome would have been

6856
04:04:01,259 --> 04:04:03,863
different had that been allowed.

6857
04:04:03,863 --> 04:04:05,264
But my I guess what I'm curious

6858
04:04:05,264 --> 04:04:07,633
is you mentioned that it's not

6859
04:04:07,633 --> 04:04:08,234
functioning. And so I'm curious,

6860
04:04:08,234 --> 04:04:10,503
is there data to suggest that

6861
04:04:10,503 --> 04:04:13,172
it hasn't functioned over the

6862
04:04:13,172 --> 04:04:14,640
last 30 years? No, no, as a

6863
04:04:14,640 --> 04:04:17,543
matter of fact, in my

6864
04:04:17,543 --> 04:04:20,212
discussions with Chad, it's not

6865
04:04:20,212 --> 04:04:22,482
frequent that we lose appeals.

6866
04:04:22,482 --> 04:04:24,883
But but what happened in this

6867
04:04:24,883 --> 04:04:26,418
case indicates that they don't

6868
04:04:26,418 --> 04:04:28,818
understand because they don't

6869
04:04:30,790 --> 04:04:33,190
understand evidence and and

6870
04:04:33,492 --> 04:04:35,360
fact finding and creating a

6871
04:04:35,360 --> 04:04:37,229
record. They're not doing what

6872
04:04:37,229 --> 04:04:39,798
that job, what that body is

6873
04:04:39,798 --> 04:04:40,500
supposed to do, which is

6874
04:04:40,500 --> 04:04:42,900
different than an advisory

6875
04:04:43,168 --> 04:04:44,503
board. Okay. Isolated. So let

6876
04:04:44,503 --> 04:04:45,404
me explain to you what could

6877
04:04:45,404 --> 04:04:48,341
have happened, what should have

6878
04:04:48,341 --> 04:04:50,409
happened. In that case, I think

6879
04:04:50,409 --> 04:04:52,411
if there had been, if they had

6880
04:04:52,411 --> 04:04:54,513
made a finding of fact that the

6881
04:04:54,513 --> 04:04:56,382
the grandfathered use was

6882
04:04:56,382 --> 04:04:58,684
abandoned. But they didn't say

6883
04:04:58,684 --> 04:05:00,519
that, right. They didn't let

6884
04:05:00,519 --> 04:05:03,355
anyone talk about it and say,

6885
04:05:03,355 --> 04:05:04,189
oh, that you that you don't

6886
04:05:04,189 --> 04:05:06,225
have that right anymore.

6887
04:05:06,225 --> 04:05:08,227
Because when you go to the

6888
04:05:08,227 --> 04:05:11,230
appellate court, it's not a new

6889
04:05:11,230 --> 04:05:12,131
trial. They can only make their

6890
04:05:12,131 --> 04:05:14,333
decisions on the basis of of

6891
04:05:14,333 --> 04:05:16,101
the record that's been given to

6892
04:05:16,101 --> 04:05:19,238
them. So if the if the

6893
04:05:19,238 --> 04:05:20,406
magistrate hasn't made a record,

6894
04:05:20,406 --> 04:05:21,673
they don't have anything to go

6895
04:05:21,673 --> 04:05:23,409
on. And that's exactly what

6896
04:05:23,409 --> 04:05:26,144
happened here. They had nothing

6897
04:05:26,144 --> 04:05:30,344
to go on. And and honestly. All

6898
04:05:30,716 --> 04:05:32,318
these violations that go before

6899
04:05:32,318 --> 04:05:35,318
the magistrates really are it's

6900
04:05:35,520 --> 04:05:37,356
a fact determination. Did you

6901
04:05:37,356 --> 04:05:39,192
violate is there a violation.

6902
04:05:39,192 --> 04:05:41,527
Did you get notice. Do you have

6903
04:05:41,527 --> 04:05:44,129
due process yes or no. It's

6904
04:05:44,129 --> 04:05:45,364
it's really a legal analysis.

6905
04:05:45,364 --> 04:05:47,700
And knowing how to make a

6906
04:05:47,700 --> 04:05:50,403
record. Most times people don't

6907
04:05:50,403 --> 04:05:52,137
appeal, but when they do, bad

6908
04:05:52,137 --> 04:05:53,639
things happen. It really was.

6909
04:05:53,639 --> 04:05:54,507
That wasn't good. Nancy, are

6910
04:05:54,507 --> 04:05:56,409
there particular types of

6911
04:05:56,409 --> 04:05:59,409
lawyers that do this litigation?

6912
04:05:59,444 --> 04:06:02,181
Anyone who does litigation, and

6913
04:06:02,181 --> 04:06:04,383
I'm certain that we have many,

6914
04:06:04,383 --> 04:06:06,151
many lawyers in this. They

6915
04:06:06,151 --> 04:06:08,287
don't even have to be bar

6916
04:06:08,287 --> 04:06:11,230
members of the Florida Bar. But

6917
04:06:11,230 --> 04:06:12,391
any person who who was a lawyer,

6918
04:06:12,391 --> 04:06:14,260
who did litigation, we have so

6919
04:06:14,260 --> 04:06:16,596
many retired people who would

6920
04:06:16,596 --> 04:06:18,263
be more than happy to fill that

6921
04:06:18,263 --> 04:06:20,333
function. And we only need one

6922
04:06:20,333 --> 04:06:22,201
magistrate to serve at a time.

6923
04:06:22,201 --> 04:06:24,169
So if we have two, we could get

6924
04:06:24,169 --> 04:06:26,505
through a once a month. Right?

6925
04:06:26,505 --> 04:06:29,505
Okay. We're we're running out

6926
04:06:30,342 --> 04:06:32,177
of time. What is is there is

6927
04:06:32,177 --> 04:06:35,380
there a lot of consensus to

6928
04:06:35,380 --> 04:06:36,615
have something brought back, or

6929
04:06:36,615 --> 04:06:38,617
do you want to think about it

6930
04:06:38,617 --> 04:06:40,453
some more or what? I'm support

6931
04:06:40,453 --> 04:06:41,353
of it. I'd want to think about

6932
04:06:41,353 --> 04:06:43,155
it some more. I just haven't

6933
04:06:43,155 --> 04:06:44,289
seen enough data to suggest

6934
04:06:44,289 --> 04:06:46,125
that the system is broken. But

6935
04:06:46,125 --> 04:06:47,426
but this could just be an

6936
04:06:47,426 --> 04:06:49,228
isolated incident, a mistake,

6937
04:06:49,228 --> 04:06:52,431
or a matter of training because

6938
04:06:52,431 --> 04:06:54,367
Nancy's dead right about the

6939
04:06:54,367 --> 04:06:55,434
function. Yeah. No, I agree

6940
04:06:55,434 --> 04:06:57,269
with our attorney PRESIDENT.

6941
04:06:57,269 --> 04:07:00,269
Our attorney was present, and

6942
04:07:00,539 --> 04:07:03,542
he was his his guidance was

6943
04:07:03,542 --> 04:07:06,279
disregarded. So he advised them.

6944
04:07:06,279 --> 04:07:08,481
Yes. He advised them to allow

6945
04:07:08,481 --> 04:07:09,248
the testimony to make the

6946
04:07:09,248 --> 04:07:11,316
record. And and it wasn't

6947
04:07:11,316 --> 04:07:13,319
followed, and it wasn't because

6948
04:07:13,319 --> 04:07:15,254
anyone was intentionally doing

6949
04:07:15,254 --> 04:07:16,888
it. They really didn't

6950
04:07:16,888 --> 04:07:18,291
understand what their function

6951
04:07:18,291 --> 04:07:22,940
was. Do you do you think that

6952
04:07:22,940 --> 04:07:24,329
could be. Resolved through

6953
04:07:24,329 --> 04:07:26,331
training? How are you going to

6954
04:07:26,331 --> 04:07:27,233
I mean, how often are you? It's

6955
04:07:27,233 --> 04:07:29,268
not a training thing. You have

6956
04:07:29,268 --> 04:07:30,102
to be you have to have

6957
04:07:30,102 --> 04:07:31,270
understand the record, how to

6958
04:07:31,270 --> 04:07:33,338
make a record. You have to

6959
04:07:33,338 --> 04:07:34,740
really be a lawyer. So I think

6960
04:07:34,740 --> 04:07:35,540
and that's why other

6961
04:07:35,540 --> 04:07:36,375
municipalities have lawyers.

6962
04:07:36,375 --> 04:07:38,277
The ramification of the result

6963
04:07:38,277 --> 04:07:39,145
would have what was the ramp

6964
04:07:39,145 --> 04:07:40,512
that the ramification was that

6965
04:07:40,512 --> 04:07:42,148
they, they could continue to

6966
04:07:42,148 --> 04:07:43,515
use the dock attempt

6967
04:07:43,515 --> 04:07:45,915
incorrectly. Yeah. Okay. We

6968
04:07:46,218 --> 04:07:48,540
lost the village, lost the case

6969
04:07:48,540 --> 04:07:49,121
because it wasn't handled well.

6970
04:07:49,121 --> 04:07:52,121
We can't really tell for

6971
04:07:52,591 --> 04:07:54,460
certain is that if that

6972
04:07:54,460 --> 04:07:56,628
testimony was allowed and heard

6973
04:07:56,628 --> 04:07:58,130
that it would have changed the

6974
04:07:58,130 --> 04:07:59,831
outcome. It doesn't matter. I'm

6975
04:07:59,831 --> 04:08:01,299
just in other words, the

6976
04:08:01,299 --> 04:08:02,334
financial aspect of it. There

6977
04:08:02,334 --> 04:08:04,236
was a financial loss that we

6978
04:08:04,236 --> 04:08:05,437
that we incurred because of

6979
04:08:05,437 --> 04:08:07,573
something that was done. No, I

6980
04:08:07,573 --> 04:08:08,540
don't I don't think we suffered.

6981
04:08:08,540 --> 04:08:10,675
No, there wasn't any there

6982
04:08:10,675 --> 04:08:13,750
wasn't there wasn't any

6983
04:08:13,645 --> 04:08:16,645
monetary damages. They I mean

6984
04:08:17,182 --> 04:08:19,218
the in this case, the owner did

6985
04:08:19,218 --> 04:08:21,870
send a threat of a bird harass

6986
04:08:21,870 --> 04:08:22,521
claim against the village while

6987
04:08:22,521 --> 04:08:24,900
the appeal was pending, which

6988
04:08:24,900 --> 04:08:27,900
is would could result in

6989
04:08:27,259 --> 04:08:29,295
monetary damages. But we

6990
04:08:29,295 --> 04:08:30,128
haven't seen anything since we

6991
04:08:30,128 --> 04:08:32,798
had additional legal fees. We

6992
04:08:32,798 --> 04:08:34,366
did. Yes, there was legal fees

6993
04:08:34,366 --> 04:08:35,601
in the defense. I mean, we over

6994
04:08:35,601 --> 04:08:37,536
the years have had very few

6995
04:08:37,536 --> 04:08:40,205
appeals of the Code Enforcement

6996
04:08:40,205 --> 04:08:42,374
board, and we have one, you

6997
04:08:42,374 --> 04:08:44,877
know, the ones that I recall,

6998
04:08:44,877 --> 04:08:47,312
we've won several. This one was,

6999
04:08:47,312 --> 04:08:50,182
as council member stoner said,

7000
04:08:50,182 --> 04:08:52,510
was a little bit odd in that

7001
04:08:52,510 --> 04:08:54,853
the court latched on to what

7002
04:08:54,853 --> 04:08:57,220
happened and was not thrilled

7003
04:08:57,220 --> 04:08:59,158
with the fact that the the

7004
04:08:59,158 --> 04:09:01,126
board did not allow the

7005
04:09:01,126 --> 04:09:04,126
property owner to provide put

7006
04:09:05,300 --> 04:09:07,599
their case on. So. So, yes. So,

7007
04:09:07,599 --> 04:09:08,934
so, Chad, in other in other

7008
04:09:08,934 --> 04:09:10,934
municipalities like Pinecrest

7009
04:09:11,370 --> 04:09:13,205
or or Surfside or

7010
04:09:13,205 --> 04:09:14,540
municipalities of similar size,

7011
04:09:14,540 --> 04:09:16,208
what do they do? So I'll tell

7012
04:09:16,208 --> 04:09:18,343
you that like the newer cities

7013
04:09:18,343 --> 04:09:21,343
have a magistrate. As council

7014
04:09:21,847 --> 04:09:24,150
member, stoner is saying the

7015
04:09:24,150 --> 04:09:26,651
some of the older cities still

7016
04:09:26,651 --> 04:09:29,210
have boards. Some of the larger

7017
04:09:29,210 --> 04:09:32,210
cities have boards, but most

7018
04:09:32,458 --> 04:09:35,260
have a magistrate who is a

7019
04:09:35,260 --> 04:09:36,795
lawyer who the government pays.

7020
04:09:36,795 --> 04:09:38,263
So you would have to pay this

7021
04:09:38,263 --> 04:09:40,499
person. Currently you don't pay.

7022
04:09:40,499 --> 04:09:43,499
You know, the magistrate boards

7023
04:09:44,103 --> 04:09:45,471
and it's you know, it's like

7024
04:09:45,471 --> 04:09:48,107
clockwork and they act like a

7025
04:09:48,107 --> 04:09:50,507
judge. Now, the difference

7026
04:09:50,909 --> 04:09:53,512
being also is in those

7027
04:09:53,512 --> 04:09:55,512
circumstances, typically it

7028
04:09:55,847 --> 04:09:58,217
depends. But usually my office

7029
04:09:58,217 --> 04:09:59,651
would. So currently my office

7030
04:09:59,651 --> 04:10:01,153
sits as the advisor to the

7031
04:10:01,153 --> 04:10:02,321
board, just like I'm sitting

7032
04:10:02,321 --> 04:10:04,556
with you. In the case when

7033
04:10:04,556 --> 04:10:05,257
there's a magistrate, we would

7034
04:10:05,257 --> 04:10:07,692
sit as a prosecutor, we would

7035
04:10:07,692 --> 04:10:08,427
prosecute. So we would be

7036
04:10:08,427 --> 04:10:09,280
putting on the evidence, like

7037
04:10:09,280 --> 04:10:10,328
Councilmember Stoner saying,

7038
04:10:10,328 --> 04:10:12,331
whereas here the staff puts it

7039
04:10:12,331 --> 04:10:15,467
on. So there might be a

7040
04:10:15,467 --> 04:10:17,769
structural change also, but we

7041
04:10:17,769 --> 04:10:20,205
can provide you with a survey

7042
04:10:20,205 --> 04:10:22,307
of what all the cities do. We

7043
04:10:22,307 --> 04:10:23,575
can, you know, show you what

7044
04:10:23,575 --> 04:10:25,110
would change. I mean, we would

7045
04:10:25,110 --> 04:10:27,145
have to change our code,

7046
04:10:27,145 --> 04:10:28,480
obviously. But it's it's really

7047
04:10:28,480 --> 04:10:30,816
a policy decision. Which way

7048
04:10:30,816 --> 04:10:32,584
you want to go are the fees for

7049
04:10:32,584 --> 04:10:35,387
people like this $20,000 or. No.

7050
04:10:35,387 --> 04:10:38,157
It's usually like probably it I

7051
04:10:38,157 --> 04:10:40,557
mean, you probably have $1,000

7052
04:10:40,625 --> 04:10:42,428
a month. Like it's usually not

7053
04:10:42,428 --> 04:10:44,997
that high and sometimes it's

7054
04:10:44,997 --> 04:10:47,166
per case. I mean, we would have

7055
04:10:47,166 --> 04:10:48,267
to decide on how we do it, but

7056
04:10:48,267 --> 04:10:50,970
they're typically not very high.

7057
04:10:50,970 --> 04:10:52,304
I also just in closing, because

7058
04:10:52,304 --> 04:10:54,105
I know we're going to wrap it

7059
04:10:54,105 --> 04:10:56,208
up, I think it's important for

7060
04:10:56,208 --> 04:10:58,610
the village to look like we

7061
04:10:58,610 --> 04:11:02,210
know what we're doing and, and,

7062
04:11:03,140 --> 04:11:05,751
and, and to have the. The board

7063
04:11:05,751 --> 04:11:08,151
of magistrates without people

7064
04:11:08,387 --> 04:11:10,387
with litigation experience

7065
04:11:10,689 --> 04:11:13,689
really it just doesn't fulfill

7066
04:11:15,561 --> 04:11:17,620
the job of, of the, of the task.

7067
04:11:17,620 --> 04:11:19,298
So I think it would be similar.

7068
04:11:19,298 --> 04:11:22,867
Also like I think we have a red

7069
04:11:22,867 --> 04:11:24,536
light camera magistrate, I

7070
04:11:24,536 --> 04:11:28,136
believe it would be similar to

7071
04:11:29,700 --> 04:11:31,209
that. Okay. We should the board.

7072
04:11:31,209 --> 04:11:33,411
So I'm sorry. What was that? Is

7073
04:11:33,411 --> 04:11:36,215
it so is this something that we

7074
04:11:36,215 --> 04:11:37,383
want to pursue? Yes. I'm

7075
04:11:37,383 --> 04:11:40,850
hearing definitely look at it

7076
04:11:40,850 --> 04:11:42,721
more for sure. Okay. Look at it

7077
04:11:42,721 --> 04:11:43,355
more. So do you want me to

7078
04:11:43,355 --> 04:11:44,289
bring back some additional

7079
04:11:44,289 --> 04:11:46,658
information on a survey of what

7080
04:11:46,658 --> 04:11:47,826
the other cities do, maybe

7081
04:11:47,826 --> 04:11:48,626
figure out what they're

7082
04:11:48,626 --> 04:11:50,396
charging? Are magistrates are

7083
04:11:50,396 --> 04:11:53,320
charging as well as. And then

7084
04:11:53,320 --> 04:11:55,733
you can start working with

7085
04:11:55,733 --> 04:11:58,237
Nancy about how it would look.

7086
04:11:58,237 --> 04:11:59,471
Okay. Yeah. And and maybe some

7087
04:11:59,471 --> 04:12:01,372
type of metric that would talk

7088
04:12:01,372 --> 04:12:03,542
to us about the performance of

7089
04:12:03,542 --> 04:12:05,778
the current structure over time.

7090
04:12:05,778 --> 04:12:07,246
Just, just because let me, let

7091
04:12:07,246 --> 04:12:09,414
me check with is it really

7092
04:12:09,414 --> 04:12:11,116
broken or is was this a one off

7093
04:12:11,116 --> 04:12:12,417
I don't know okay. I'll check

7094
04:12:12,417 --> 04:12:13,452
with Steve on that and we'll

7095
04:12:13,452 --> 04:12:15,186
put something together. I'm

7096
04:12:15,186 --> 04:12:18,357
going to defer my 12. See what

7097
04:12:18,357 --> 04:12:21,957
is what's expired. I'm going to

7098
04:12:22,494 --> 04:12:25,296
defer to what's 1312 means not

7099
04:12:25,296 --> 04:12:26,965
in public. We're going to defer

7100
04:12:26,965 --> 04:12:29,568
that one okay. Yeah. And I'm

7101
04:12:29,568 --> 04:12:31,369
going to defer 12 h also that I

7102
04:12:31,369 --> 04:12:35,569
have on there. We need to get

7103
04:12:35,740 --> 04:12:37,342
the 13 a 13 a. Yes, indeed.

7104
04:12:37,342 --> 04:12:40,342
Election of vice mayor pursuant

7105
04:12:41,120 --> 04:12:44,120
to section 2.02 b of the

7106
04:12:45,417 --> 04:12:47,752
village charter looking for

7107
04:12:47,752 --> 04:12:49,752
nominations? Yes. Nominate

7108
04:12:52,124 --> 04:12:55,124
Oscar. Seconded. I'm sorry, is

7109
04:12:56,128 --> 04:12:58,528
the second second. Yeah.

7110
04:13:00,431 --> 04:13:03,235
Discussion. Doing a great job,

7111
04:13:03,235 --> 04:13:05,370
Fernando. Okay. Sitting back

7112
04:13:05,370 --> 04:13:07,238
there, I'll nominate Fernando.

7113
04:13:07,238 --> 04:13:08,240
You said nominate Fernando.

7114
04:13:08,240 --> 04:13:11,109
I'll nominate Fernando. I asked

7115
04:13:11,109 --> 04:13:13,645
him if he would be Vice Mayor.

7116
04:13:13,645 --> 04:13:15,247
Oscar all the way. Okay. Just

7117
04:13:15,247 --> 04:13:17,783
checking. Fernando. Oh, this is

7118
04:13:17,783 --> 04:13:20,752
to renew. First word for you.

7119
04:13:20,752 --> 04:13:24,352
Okay? Okay. Is it Olivia? Still.

7120
04:13:24,523 --> 04:13:26,624
Do I still love him? So

7121
04:13:26,624 --> 04:13:28,624
consensus. Oscar. Yes.

7122
04:13:29,193 --> 04:13:31,593
Consensus. Consensus of council.

7123
04:13:32,970 --> 04:13:33,165
All right. Congratulations.

7124
04:13:33,165 --> 04:13:34,466
Congratulations. He's going to

7125
04:13:34,466 --> 04:13:36,535
get the drainage done, though.

7126
04:13:36,535 --> 04:13:37,435
He's going to get the drainage

7127
04:13:37,435 --> 04:13:38,837
done, I gotta go get the

7128
04:13:38,837 --> 04:13:40,472
undergrounding. He's training

7129
04:13:40,472 --> 04:13:43,208
for mayor. All right. Since

7130
04:13:43,208 --> 04:13:46,211
we've had so much fun, anything

7131
04:13:46,211 --> 04:13:49,211
else, MR. Manager? You need

7132
04:13:49,414 --> 04:13:51,183
anything else? I think we're I

7133
04:13:51,183 --> 04:13:52,551
think we're good. MR. Mayor. I

7134
04:13:52,551 --> 04:13:54,553
do want to just state one thing.

7135
04:13:54,553 --> 04:13:56,388
If you look at 11 a two, you

7136
04:13:56,388 --> 04:13:58,356
saw it when I emailed it to you.

7137
04:13:58,356 --> 04:13:59,190
But again, that outlines not

7138
04:13:59,190 --> 04:14:01,359
just for you, but for the

7139
04:14:01,359 --> 04:14:02,828
public as well, the status of

7140
04:14:02,828 --> 04:14:04,129
all the major projects that

7141
04:14:04,129 --> 04:14:06,465
we're doing in initiative. So

7142
04:14:06,465 --> 04:14:07,633
just want to make sure you take

7143
04:14:07,633 --> 04:14:09,234
a look at that as well. Chad,

7144
04:14:09,234 --> 04:14:10,435
you got anything for us? What

7145
04:14:10,435 --> 04:14:11,703
was that? Good. 11 I'm good.

7146
04:14:11,703 --> 04:14:13,205
Have a happy Thanksgiving

7147
04:14:13,205 --> 04:14:15,407
everyone. Yes yes indeed yes

7148
04:14:15,407 --> 04:14:17,776
indeed. We we won't be back

7149
04:14:17,776 --> 04:14:19,845
together again here. But all

7150
04:14:19,845 --> 04:14:22,680
right. With that, I need a

7151
04:14:22,680 --> 04:14:25,316
motion to adjourn the second.

7152
04:14:25,316 --> 04:14:27,386
All those in favor? Aye. Post

7153
04:14:27,386 --> 04:14:28,120
adjournment, we've got the

7154
04:14:28,120 --> 04:14:29,321
Thanksgiving and recognition

7155
04:14:29,321 --> 04:14:31,721
ceremony tomorrow. Tomorrow? At

7156
04:14:33,492 --> 04:14:35,360
what time? 11. I think

7157
04:14:35,360 --> 04:14:36,995
formalities will start at 12.

7158
04:14:36,995 --> 04:14:37,000
12. Okay. Formalities will