[0:06] Oh, yeah. Good evening. Good
[0:07] evening, ladies and gentlemen.
[0:09] The mayor has called the
[0:11] council meeting to order. Mayor
[0:13] Roscoe, present. Council member
[0:16] Bracken here. Council member
[0:17] Kaplan. Good enough. Council
[0:21] member. London. Vice mayor.
[0:23] Sardine. Council member. Stoner.
[0:27] Here. Council member. Vasquez.
[0:30] Thank you, MR. Mayor. We do
[0:31] have a quorum. Please rise for
[0:37] the Pledge of Allegiance. I
[0:38] pledge allegiance to the flag
[0:41] of the United States of America.
[0:43] To the republic for which it
[0:46] stands. One nation under GOD,
[0:48] indivisible, with liberty and
[0:50] justice for all. Stay standing
[0:57] for the invocation. Good
[0:59] evening, honorable mayor, vice
[1:01] mayor, esteemed members of our
[1:04] council. So in our society,
[1:06] leaders are appointed by their
[1:08] fellow citizens who entrust and
[1:11] empower them to represent us
[1:12] and to look out for the benefit
[1:14] of the community. On a deeper
[1:17] level, the Talmud teaches that
[1:19] every position of leadership is
[1:21] appointed from heaven, meaning
[1:23] when a person finds themselves
[1:25] in a position of responsibility,
[1:26] especially when it's a
[1:28] responsibility of service to
[1:29] others, they are not there by
[1:31] accident. We're taught that
[1:32] they have been placed there
[1:34] from heaven. And together with
[1:37] that responsibility comes the
[1:39] ability to fulfill it properly.
[1:41] GOD does not place us in a
[1:43] position where something is
[1:45] asked of us that we do not have
[1:47] the ability to accomplish. Our
[1:48] village is now preparing for a
[1:50] new fiscal year, and in the
[1:52] Jewish calendar, we're also
[1:54] preparing for a new year. In
[1:55] the weeks ahead, we will
[1:57] celebrate Rosh Hashanah. Rosh
[1:58] Hashanah is the Jewish New Year,
[2:00] but the Hebrew words Rosh
[2:01] Hashanah translate more
[2:03] literally as the head of the
[2:05] year, just as the head gives
[2:06] vision and direction to the
[2:08] entire body these days, give
[2:09] vision and direction to the
[2:11] year ahead. And actually the
[2:13] Torah. The leaders of a
[2:15] community are also called heads
[2:16] for the same reason, because
[2:18] they are called upon to provide
[2:20] clarity, vision, and direction
[2:22] for the path ahead. If that is
[2:24] their responsibility, then
[2:25] surely they have been given the
[2:27] ability to fulfill it and to
[2:28] fulfill it with much success.
[2:30] With this in mind, please join
[2:32] me in prayer to the Almighty
[2:35] GOD. MAY our Council be blessed
[2:36] to carry the responsibility
[2:38] entrusted to them with
[2:40] confidence and with joy. MAY
[2:41] they guide us toward our shared
[2:43] vision, leading by example as
[2:46] good citizens, kind neighbors,
[2:48] and as a part of a connected
[2:50] community. MAY GOD bless their
[2:52] minds with clarity and wisdom,
[2:53] and bless their hearts with
[2:55] kindness and sensitivity to
[2:56] listen deeply and lead
[2:58] effectively. And MAY our
[3:00] village be blessed to become
[3:02] the community we all hope for.
[3:04] One where we live together in
[3:06] peace, harmony, and friendship.
[3:08] And MAY we all be blessed as we
[3:11] wish each other a Shana Tova a
[3:12] year filled with goodness and
[3:14] sweetness. A year in which our
[3:15] community grew stronger and
[3:19] more connected. And let us say
[3:28] Amen. Amen. Rabbi. The next
[3:30] item, MR. Mayor, is brief
[3:40] comments by Council. Okay.
[3:43] Anybody here? To my right. I
[3:45] always have something to say.
[3:53] Go ahead. I would just like to.
[3:55] Remind everyone that on AUGUST
[3:56] 15th, Saturday, we had our
[4:00] first ever sports fair at the
[4:02] Village Community Center and it
[4:04] was fantastic. It was very well
[4:07] attended. It was super, super
[4:08] fun. And I would like to
[4:10] recognize David Carano in
[4:13] particular, who put the entire
[4:15] day together. He coordinated
[4:17] everything, food, all the all
[4:20] the coaches. It was amazing.
[4:22] And I would like to thank David
[4:23] for all of his hard work. It
[4:26] was a wonderful event and it
[4:28] will be one that we will repeat
[4:29] annually, I'm sure. Thanks,
[4:40] David. Thank you. Oh, I see the
[4:46] the young ladies back there.
[4:49] Let's do the young ladies who
[4:54] are celebrating kb girls soccer
[4:58] team, u13 state champions. So
[5:01] let's let's Council let's go
[5:17] down.
[5:50] Congratulations.
[5:52] On your
[5:56] Sunday that. Was all right. You
[6:06] want to hold this. Who's. Coach
[6:08] do you want to tell us what
[6:19] this great team did? Thank you,
[6:21] everyone for being here. Thank
[6:23] you. Thank you Marcelo. Thank
[6:27] you Jimmy. Thank you Sofia, and
[6:35] congratulations to my girls.
[6:37] Good afternoon everyone. I'm
[6:39] very proud to be here today
[6:40] representing the Soccer Club
[6:42] Girls program. Over the last
[6:44] few years, our girls program
[6:47] has grown tremendously. Our
[6:48] girls have won the
[6:49] Commissioner's Cup, PRESIDENT
[6:51] Cup and now the State Cup.
[6:53] Something very special for our
[6:57] programs and for you as well.
[6:59] But for me, it's not only about
[7:01] the trophies, it's about the
[7:03] development of our girls, their
[7:04] hard work, commitment,
[7:06] dedication, discipline and how
[7:09] much they have improved. The
[7:11] State Cup trophy belongs to
[7:15] everyone or players or coaches,
[7:17] parents, the girls and the
[7:20] entire community. I'm very
[7:21] proud of you guys and
[7:23] everything we have accomplished
[7:25] together. We haven't finished
[7:26] yet. This is only the beginning.
[7:28] Thank you everyone and GOD
[7:33] bless you. Thank you, thank you,
[7:41] thank you, thank you, thank you.
[7:48] Yes, ma'am. Yes. Next. Are you.
[8:04] Who is? Wait wait wait. Good
[8:06] evening. My name is Sophia
[8:08] Chica and I am so honored to be
[8:10] representing my team today. I'm
[8:11] incredibly proud to say that
[8:14] the Key Biscayne 2013 girls are
[8:16] Florida State champions. Our
[8:17] team is the first girls team in
[8:19] our club's history to win a
[8:20] Florida State championship. So
[8:21] this is a historic moment for
[8:23] our team, our club and Key
[8:26] Biscayne. Most of us have
[8:27] played together since we were
[8:28] little. We have grown up
[8:29] together, practice together,
[8:31] won, lost and become best
[8:33] friends. This was such a great
[8:34] season for us and it was a
[8:35] season that I will always
[8:37] remember. We learned so much
[8:39] not just about soccer, but also
[8:40] about working together,
[8:42] trusting each other, staying
[8:44] positive and not giving up when
[8:46] things got difficult. Every
[8:47] practice gave us a chance to
[8:49] improve and learn something new.
[8:50] We practice and practice,
[8:51] sometimes repeating the same
[8:53] things until we got them right.
[8:54] We worked on our skills, our
[8:56] teamwork and our communication
[8:58] and our confidence. There were
[8:59] definitely moments when things
[9:01] were hard, but we kept showing
[9:04] up and working together. We
[9:05] pushed each other to get better
[9:07] and we learned from our
[9:08] mistakes instead of letting
[9:09] them bring us down. Every game
[9:10] and every practice helped us
[9:13] become a stronger team. Looking
[9:14] back, I think all of those
[9:15] little moments throughout the
[9:17] season prepared us for the
[9:19] biggest moments. Winning the
[9:20] state championship wasn't just
[9:21] about what happened on the
[9:23] final day. It was a result of
[9:24] everything we had done
[9:26] throughout the season, all the
[9:27] practices, all the games, all
[9:28] the things we learned and all
[9:30] the time we spent together.
[9:31] When we finally won, it felt
[9:32] really special because we knew
[9:34] how much we were, how much work
[9:36] we had put in into getting
[9:38] there. And even though winning
[9:39] was amazing, I think one of the
[9:41] best parts of the season was
[9:42] getting to experience it
[9:44] together. We had so many fun
[9:45] moments, laughed together,
[9:46] supported each other, and made
[9:48] memories that we will remember
[9:49] for a long time. I really
[9:50] enjoyed being with my teammates
[9:52] every week and getting to see
[9:53] how much we improved from the
[9:55] beginning of the season to the
[9:56] end. I truly believe that
[9:57] friendship and teamwork helped
[9:59] us win. We fight for each other
[10:00] on the field because we care
[10:02] about each other off the field.
[10:03] We know each other's strengths,
[10:05] we trust each other, and we
[10:06] know what we can count on each
[10:08] other. That connection is
[10:09] something really special about
[10:11] our team. I want to thank our
[10:13] coaches, families, club and
[10:15] community for supporting us.
[10:17] Our coaches believed us, taught
[10:19] us, challenged us and helped us
[10:20] become better players and
[10:21] better teammates. Our families
[10:23] have supported us through all
[10:24] the practices, games,
[10:26] tournaments and everything in
[10:28] between, and our community has
[10:29] given us a place to play, grow
[10:31] and represent Key Biscayne. And
[10:32] most importantly, I want to
[10:34] thank my my teammates. I'm so
[10:35] grateful for all the memories
[10:37] we have made together, for the
[10:38] way we always support each
[10:40] other, and for how much we have
[10:41] grown together over the years.
[10:43] I'm really proud to be part of
[10:45] this team. We have been through
[10:46] so much together and getting to
[10:47] share this championship with
[10:49] the people I have grown up
[10:51] playing with makes it even more
[10:52] special. I know that none of
[10:54] this would have been the same
[10:55] without each other, without
[10:57] each and every one of them. But
[10:59] I also hope this championship
[11:01] can help create change. Girls
[11:02] are a smaller part of our
[11:03] soccer program, and
[11:04] historically we have not always
[11:06] had the same coaching,
[11:06] specialized training or
[11:08] opportunities as the boys. And
[11:09] still this group of girls
[11:11] became the first girls state
[11:12] championships in our club's
[11:14] history. That shows how much
[11:15] potential there is when girls
[11:16] are given the opportunity to
[11:17] work hard, develop and compete
[11:20] at a high level. Imagine high
[11:22] level. Imagine what girls could
[11:23] accomplish if we continue
[11:24] investing in them and giving
[11:26] them more opportunities to grow.
[11:27] As we get older, many girls
[11:29] leave Biscayne to find higher
[11:31] level opportunities. But why
[11:33] should girls have to leave Key
[11:34] Biscayne to find those
[11:35] opportunities? Why can't we
[11:37] build a girls program so strong
[11:39] that talented girls from other
[11:41] communities want to come to Key
[11:42] Biscayne to play, develop and
[11:44] compete. We want to stay
[11:46] together, keep growing, and and
[11:47] help make Biscayne a
[11:49] destination for girls soccer.
[11:50] We want younger girls in our
[11:52] community to see that there's a
[11:53] place for them here, and that
[11:55] they can dream big and work
[11:56] toward their goal without
[11:58] having to leave their community.
[11:59] We were excited to represent
[12:00] Key Biscayne at Nationals, and
[12:02] I was sad that journey ended,
[12:03] but I know we have already
[12:04] accomplished something really
[12:05] special together, and I am
[12:06] proud of everything that we did
[12:08] this season. This season taught
[12:10] us that hard work, patience,
[12:12] teamwork and enjoying the game
[12:13] can take you a long way. We
[12:15] didn't just win a championship.
[12:16] We learned and proved and
[12:17] created memories together that
[12:20] will carry with us. I hope this
[12:22] championship can be the start
[12:23] of even more opportunities for
[12:24] girls soccer in Key Biscayne.
[12:26] We are proud of what we have
[12:27] accomplished, grateful for
[12:28] everyone who helped us get here,
[12:30] and excited to keep working,
[12:32] growing and representing Key
[12:49] Biscayne. Thank you.
[12:56] Winning
[12:58] the Florida State Championship
[13:00] with the 2013 Girls Elite team
[13:01] means so much to all of us.
[13:03] We've been playing together for
[13:04] so long and through all these
[13:05] years. We've made so many
[13:07] memories that will carry with
[13:08] us forever. We've grown
[13:09] together, support each other,
[13:10] laugh together, and push
[13:11] through all the hard moments
[13:13] together. This championship
[13:14] isn't just about winning a
[13:16] trophy, it's about everything
[13:17] we've been through as a team
[13:18] and how far we've come. We're
[13:20] so thankful for every
[13:21] opportunity, every game, every
[13:22] practice and most importantly
[13:24] for each other. We're also
[13:26] super thankful for coach, for
[13:27] believing in us, pushing us,
[13:28] and helping us become the
[13:30] players and teams we are today.
[13:32] And to all of our families who
[13:33] have supported us throughout
[13:35] every game, practice, early
[13:36] mornings and long drives. Thank
[13:38] you for always being there and
[13:39] believing in us. I'm so proud
[13:41] to be part of this team and
[13:42] couldn't imagine sharing this
[13:45] moment with anyone else. We
[13:46] started as teammates, but along
[13:47] the way we became families.
[14:00] Thank you. Good evening. My
[14:01] name is Valentina Gill and I
[14:03] play for the u14 girls team.
[14:05] Winning the State Cup final was
[14:06] one of the best moments of my
[14:08] life, but getting there was not
[14:09] easy. A few months before, I
[14:11] had a huge knee surgery and I
[14:13] had to work hard to get back to
[14:14] soccer. Recovery was hard. I
[14:17] missed playing with my team and
[14:18] sometimes I felt frustrated
[14:19] because I just wanted to be
[14:21] back on the field. I had to be
[14:22] patient and keep working even
[14:25] when it was difficult. On MAY
[14:27] 17th, I got to play in the
[14:28] State Cup final. We were losing
[14:30] one zero and there were only
[14:31] ten minutes left in the game.
[14:33] We didn't give up. We kept
[14:34] fighting, scored and came back
[14:36] to win the game. Winning, after
[14:38] everything I had been through,
[14:39] made the moment even more
[14:41] special. Going. Going from
[14:43] having surgery and working to
[14:45] get back to the field and to
[14:46] winning a state Cup was
[14:48] something I will never forget.
[14:49] This experience taught me to
[14:51] never give up, even when things
[14:53] get hard. If you keep working
[14:54] and believe in yourself, you'll
[15:03] come back stronger. Thank you.
[15:05] Thank you parents. Thank you a
[15:08] team. It's a great victory. We
[15:10] we're going to do it again next
[15:12] year. No no no no. Are we going
[15:25] to do it again next year? One.
[15:36] Two. Three. Thank you so much.
[15:55] Thank you. Good job.
[16:04] No. Why do
[16:13] I smell like. I was eating? The
[16:17] next item? The next item, MR.
[16:35] Mayor, is public comments.
[16:41] All
[16:51] right. Yeah. Okay, everyone,
[16:53] I've got a lot of public
[16:56] comments here tonight, so I'll
[16:59] be brief and to the point and
[17:01] try not to repeat what what the
[17:03] other person has said already.
[17:05] So that would be great. I'm
[17:08] going to start with Linda.
[17:24] Correct? Yes, yes. Can I move
[17:30] this? I think you can reach you.
[17:43] So. You. Can you hold it? Yeah.
[17:47] Okay. Good evening. My name is
[17:50] Linda. Correct. I live at 101
[17:52] Ocean Lane Drive, and I'm
[17:54] formerly from the uk, as you
[17:57] can probably hear. And now I'm
[18:00] a permanent resident of
[18:03] Paradise Island of Key Biscayne.
[18:05] Except it's not a Paradise
[18:08] island. If you are handicapped,
[18:10] let me give you some examples.
[18:13] I understand that a rolling
[18:15] wheelchair was purchased by the
[18:18] village a while ago, but where
[18:21] is it? I also understand that
[18:24] there was a request made to
[18:26] purchase beach mats and a
[18:28] floating wheelchair. It would
[18:30] be great if there was a
[18:32] floating wheelchair available
[18:35] in the Key Biscayne Beach Park
[18:38] near the paddle board site, and
[18:41] beach mats that extended near
[18:44] to the sea. So frustrating not
[18:46] being able to get onto the
[18:49] beach. Finally, in connection
[18:52] with the beach access paths
[18:54] next to the Commodore Club or
[18:57] the Key Biscayne Beach Park,
[19:01] there is no way at all for
[19:03] disabled people to get onto the
[19:07] beach at these locations. I
[19:09] also understand that the mayor
[19:12] and the manager have details
[19:16] and photos of the poor state of
[19:18] the repair of the beach paths.
[19:21] Access issues. Please get them
[19:24] repaired. Please consider what
[19:26] I have mentioned as a resident,
[19:28] I would love to be able to
[19:31] breathe in the fresh sea air
[19:33] sargassum, allowing in a
[19:35] wheelchair. Thank you. Thank
[19:59] you. Jackson. Berlin. Good
[20:00] evening, Council members. My
[20:02] name is Jackson Berlin. I live
[20:06] in a in a 1121 Crandon
[20:09] Boulevard, apartment f 1203.
[20:11] I'm 17 years old. I'm a senior
[20:13] at Ransom Everglades, and I've
[20:14] lived on Key Biscayne ever
[20:16] since I was in kindergarten.
[20:19] Now, according to chapter eight,
[20:22] article six, since 2009, this
[20:23] village has regulated lighting
[20:26] to protect sea turtles. However,
[20:29] the same cannot be said about
[20:32] birds. So let's examine why Key
[20:33] Biscayne is so necessary
[20:35] towards the migration of birds.
[20:37] Then understand how unregulated
[20:39] lighting has its effect on
[20:41] these birds. Before finally
[20:42] looking at some resolutions to
[20:47] this problem. First of all, Key
[20:48] Biscayne is uniquely situated
[20:52] in the lead. Key Biscayne is
[20:54] specifically billed. Bag parks
[20:56] is a critical stopover on the
[20:58] Atlantic fairway. The Cape
[21:00] Florida banding station has
[21:04] banded its 50,000th bird last
[21:07] year, representing 119 species.
[21:09] The Smithsonian and U.S. Fish
[21:11] and Wildlife Studies estimates
[21:15] building collisions kill 599
[21:17] million birds a year.
[21:20] Nationally, 56% of these deaths
[21:23] is caused by low rise buildings.
[21:26] The reason for this is due to
[21:27] many municipal buildings
[21:30] keeping lights on past hours,
[21:33] such as 11 P.M. To dawn during
[21:34] migration season, and due to
[21:36] the fact that migration season
[21:38] started here AUGUST 15th, just
[21:40] ten days ago, these birds are
[21:45] currently at risk. Now, I have
[21:47] two resolutions to this problem.
[21:49] First of all, during the fall
[21:51] migration season, turning off
[21:54] village and municipal lighting
[21:56] past 11 P.M. To dawn during the
[21:58] migration season. This way, we
[22:00] can mitigate the deaths of
[22:01] birds during the migration
[22:03] season due to unregulated
[22:04] lighting. And second of all,
[22:06] outside the power of the
[22:07] village, there is the power of
[22:08] the residents. Which leads to
[22:11] my second resolution, which is
[22:13] supporting lights out programs
[22:16] in Key Biscayne. Over 30
[22:17] different states in the U.S.
[22:18] Have adopted lights out
[22:21] programs such as New York, San
[22:23] Francisco, Chicago, Boston and
[22:24] every state owned building in
[22:26] New York State. However, as far
[22:29] as I can find, there is not a
[22:30] single Florida municipality
[22:32] that has adopted this
[22:34] resolution. Key Biscayne could
[22:38] be the first. After turning off
[22:41] lights, worked, a 20 year study
[22:43] in Chicago found that having
[22:45] the lights in the area cut
[22:49] collisions 11 fold in spring,
[22:53] supporting. Nonprofits such as
[22:55] Smart Bird, a group that I run
[22:57] with students, will support the
[22:59] fact that residents should turn
[23:02] off lights past 11 P.M. To 6
[23:03] A.M. Thank you and support this
[23:11] resolution. Thank you so much.
[23:18] Edward. Edward stone. Good
[23:20] evening, Mayor and council.
[23:22] Edward Stone, longtime resident
[23:26] of the key. 355 Harbor Lane.
[23:29] When we spoke last JUNE, I
[23:31] raised concerns regarding the
[23:33] consistency, transparency and
[23:35] accountability of the village's
[23:37] administrative process. I
[23:39] explained these concerns extend
[23:42] beyond my individual property
[23:44] dispute and provided an
[23:46] administrative summary packet
[23:47] with specific examples within
[23:51] it. I ended by asking how those
[23:53] concerns could be reviewed and
[23:56] addressed. I'm back tonight
[23:59] because the concerns remain
[24:02] unanswered. On JUNE 29th, the
[24:03] village manager characterized
[24:05] the remaining concerns as
[24:08] internal village operations.
[24:10] Consider my prior requests
[24:13] fulfilled and closed the matter.
[24:15] I asked which outstanding
[24:16] concerns were considered
[24:19] internal, operational and the
[24:22] basis for the determination. I
[24:24] did not receive an answer. I
[24:25] continued through the
[24:27] administrative process. Since
[24:29] then, another significant
[24:31] inconsistency has emerged. I
[24:33] was repeatedly advised in
[24:35] writing that code violations
[24:37] remained active and fines
[24:39] continued to run. Yet at the
[24:41] AUGUST 7th Special Magistrates
[24:42] Meeting, village staff
[24:44] presented MAY 13th as the
[24:46] compliance date. I asked the
[24:47] manager to review the
[24:49] underlying administrative
[24:50] record. I'm not challenging the
[24:52] Special Magistrate's
[24:54] Independent decision. I'm
[24:56] asking for a review of the
[24:58] village's administrative
[24:59] actions and the records that
[25:03] precede it. I understand
[25:05] section 4.02 of the Village
[25:07] Charter prohibits individual
[25:09] council members from directing
[25:10] village employees. I'm not
[25:12] asking you to do that, but
[25:16] section 3.01 makes the manager
[25:18] responsible to the Council for
[25:21] the village's administration
[25:25] and section 4.02 b expressly
[25:27] recognizes inquiries and
[25:28] investigations made in good
[25:32] faith. So I ask, what charter
[25:35] complaint process exists for
[25:37] reviewing documented concerns
[25:39] about village administration
[25:41] when those concerns are
[25:43] characterized as internal
[25:45] operation and closed without
[25:47] substantial review? I'm asking
[25:48] that these administrative
[25:51] concerns be reviewed and
[25:53] addressed. At minimum, I ask
[25:55] that this matter be placed on a
[25:57] future council agenda and that
[25:59] the appropriate review and
[26:02] oversight process be reviewed.
[26:03] Truly, thank you for your time,
[26:05] your consideration, and your
[26:07] service to our island. Thank
[26:17] you so much. Steve Powell.
[26:21] Thank you. Counsel Steve Powell,
[26:24] 441 Island Drive, Key Biscayne,
[26:26] speaking tonight about 303
[26:28] Galen Avenue, Coral Reef
[26:29] Apartments. Initially on
[26:30] tonight's agenda as a first
[26:34] reading of a codification of 30
[26:36] district. My understanding is
[26:37] the zoning action was pulled
[26:39] from the agenda in favor of a
[26:41] presentation of the proposed
[26:43] redevelopment. In short, I do
[26:45] not feel that this project
[26:46] should be pushed off for the
[26:50] following reasons. Zoning the
[26:52] clarification change would not
[26:54] establish a precedence. There
[26:57] are only five properties non
[26:59] waterfront properties in Key
[27:04] Biscayne that are zoned r, m 34
[27:06] are in the the district and
[27:08] then the other. The fifth is up
[27:10] on Ocean Lane with the
[27:14] exception of 303. All are built
[27:16] to a maximum density already.
[27:18] They're not going to be
[27:19] redeveloped. All of the
[27:20] properties are individually
[27:22] owned condos, with the
[27:25] exception of 303. So
[27:26] redevelopment of the other
[27:28] properties is virtually
[27:31] impossible if not economically
[27:33] feasible. Pushing off 303 to
[27:35] allow for a larger study of the
[27:36] Garden District is not in the
[27:38] best interest of the community.
[27:41] Why? The district represents 30
[27:43] parcels, plus or minus. All but
[27:46] two are individual condos
[27:47] without a significant increase
[27:50] in density, development is
[27:51] virtually impossible, and
[27:53] there's no way we're going to
[27:55] allow more density anywhere. In
[27:57] my opinion, the my opinion,
[28:00] stopping the study, something
[28:02] that will never happen. Meaning
[28:04] the redevelopment of the Garden
[28:07] District is academic at best,
[28:08] but in reality a waste of
[28:10] taxpayer money. And we don't
[28:12] need that. Finishing up tax
[28:15] revenue 303 today is assessed
[28:17] at approximately $9 million,
[28:19] with about 26,000 contributed
[28:22] to your budget. Redevelopment
[28:24] would likely add $150 million
[28:26] in assessed value and
[28:29] approximately 500,000 to your
[28:31] to your budget. When the state
[28:32] is trying to limit our revenue,
[28:35] you would think an additional
[28:37] 500,000 would be welcomed.
[28:39] Infrastructure improvements
[28:40] redevelopment would involve on
[28:43] and off site water stormwater
[28:44] improvements, which the
[28:45] district would seriously
[28:48] benefit from. And a bird in the
[28:49] hand is better than two. In the
[28:52] bush. You have a local
[28:53] developer which has spent
[28:54] hundreds of thousands of
[28:57] dollars to study this site. The
[28:59] developer has invested months
[29:00] of due diligence and meetings
[29:02] with the village staff seeking
[29:04] guidance, and is not increasing
[29:07] the density. In fact, would be
[29:09] reducing the current use as a
[29:11] transient hotel, not moving
[29:12] forward with the request to
[29:15] amend the zoning code will
[29:16] likely not allow the developer
[29:18] to proceed with the contract,
[29:20] and the village would lose a
[29:21] unique opportunity to leverage
[29:23] this development for overall
[29:25] enhancement to the district.
[29:28] Thank you. Oh, by the way, I'm
[29:30] over time. Is it third time
[29:31] I've received this on the
[29:33] swales. I hope that the village
[29:34] will take that up. I have by
[29:36] far one of the largest swales.
[29:38] Thank GOD I spent a lot of
[29:39] money on it, but I keep getting
[29:41] notices about the compliance
[29:42] and I hope we will rereview
[29:50] that. Thank you. Okay. Next
[29:55] speaker Luis de la Cruz. Good
[29:57] afternoon. Council Luis de la
[30:00] Cruz, 640 Allendale. MR. Mayor,
[30:03] MR. Vice mayor, I think on the
[30:07] floor. I come to you to speak
[30:09] to you about three items on
[30:11] your agenda. The first item is
[30:18] nine a, which is. The roadway
[30:22] resurfacing. Please think about
[30:27] not paving over our brick
[30:29] pavers. We have a little bit of
[30:30] resilience in those brick
[30:32] pavers, and we can probably
[30:33] make them a lot more resilient.
[30:36] If you follow the advice of
[30:37] some of the people that have
[30:41] come to talk to you before, but
[30:45] certainly by putting paving or
[30:47] stamped concrete to replace the
[30:49] brick pavers, that's going
[30:50] backwards instead of helping
[30:52] resiliency, which is what we're
[30:54] trying to deal with here in Key
[30:56] Biscayne, you're making it less
[30:58] resilient. So please think
[31:01] about, you know, approve the
[31:04] project, but stop them from
[31:06] from paving over our brick, our
[31:10] brick paver roundabouts. Second
[31:16] item is ten c, which is the,
[31:19] the resolution to approve the
[31:21] site plan for storm water pump
[31:24] station and a backup generator.
[31:26] We don't need a backup
[31:29] generator. All we need is
[31:30] undergrounding our utilities,
[31:32] which we should have done ten
[31:34] years ago and which we still
[31:36] have not started, and which has
[31:38] to start as soon as possible,
[31:40] either with this council or for
[31:44] the next council for sure. So I
[31:46] can only tell you that this
[31:48] backup generators, once you
[31:50] underground utilities, it's
[31:52] only going to be turned on
[31:54] whenever you're testing it. So
[31:55] you're spending all this money,
[31:57] and I don't want to hear that
[31:58] it comes from a grant and
[31:59] whatever, because grant is
[32:01] still tax money. You know,
[32:03] people have to pay taxes in
[32:04] order for grants to become
[32:06] grants. Let's not waste our
[32:08] money. Let's use it wisely. We
[32:10] have a lot of things that we
[32:12] need to spend money on. Please
[32:14] don't approve a backup
[32:16] generator because then that
[32:17] sets a precedent. And then I'm
[32:20] going to see the projects
[32:24] coming up for for the git
[32:25] proposals with the backup
[32:26] generator at each at each
[32:29] particular. Well, that is not
[32:31] the way we should we should go
[32:33] about it. I think London knows
[32:35] about it as much as anybody
[32:39] else. My last item is ten d and
[32:41] that's probably the one that's
[32:44] dearest to my heart, because
[32:47] Aecom and Stantec, two
[32:49] companies that we have that we
[32:51] have had in the past, be our
[32:53] consultants and who have failed
[32:56] us in the past. And now we are
[32:57] proposing that they continue
[33:00] being our consultants. I just
[33:02] don't understand why our
[33:03] management is doing with this.
[33:05] And I don't know who it was
[33:08] that the proposed these as as
[33:10] proper consultants, but for
[33:11] sure. Stanton. I was on the
[33:15] council when Stantec missed,
[33:18] designed our village green and
[33:20] we had to tear it back up and.
[33:21] And unfortunately, you know,
[33:23] MR. Kaplan and I had to, you
[33:25] know, do everything that we
[33:27] didn't want to do and approve a,
[33:31] an artificial turf. But we they
[33:33] failed us before Aecom failed
[33:37] us. Just recently, we spent
[33:38] $8.5 million that we're
[33:40] throwing down the drain because
[33:42] they missed designed something
[33:44] they they didn't MISS Design it.
[33:45] They just designed something
[33:46] that the village keeps saying
[33:47] would never have approved. So
[33:49] thank you. Please, please look
[33:55] into that before you. Thank you.
[34:01] Mike Davey. Motion to adjourn.
[34:03] There you go. See? Finally
[34:05] getting it. Second Mike Davey,
[34:06] 50 Ocean Lane Drive. I'm sure
[34:08] this is going to be a quick
[34:09] meeting because we've got judge
[34:11] here and he never lengthens
[34:13] meetings. Thank you all. Now I
[34:15] just came here to remind
[34:16] everybody we're at first of all
[34:17] congratulations to all of you
[34:18] who qualified to run for
[34:21] council. And my condolences.
[34:22] You know, we do appreciate it.
[34:23] It's important that we continue
[34:25] to have good people stand up to
[34:27] run this village, because local
[34:29] government is the most
[34:30] important form of government,
[34:32] and it's where you can have the
[34:33] biggest impact. I'm really here
[34:35] to speak about the property tax
[34:37] amendment. I think the village
[34:39] needs to take a position on it.
[34:40] I am strongly against it. I
[34:42] think it's a bad idea. If we
[34:43] want to investigate property
[34:45] taxes in the state of Florida,
[34:46] we have the opportunity this
[34:47] year. There's the the tax
[34:48] commission or committee they're
[34:50] forming up in Tallahassee that
[34:52] can take a look at smart ways
[34:54] to address inequalities or
[34:55] inefficiencies in our property
[34:57] tax system. A political theater
[34:59] is not how you want to do
[35:00] things, although we do that
[35:02] often in the state of Florida.
[35:04] So I would advocate that we get
[35:05] out, we start educating people
[35:07] about what it means. And, and
[35:08] we do something because it's
[35:10] going to hurt us a little bit.
[35:12] But when it hurts other
[35:12] communities in the county and
[35:14] the state, that's going to come
[35:15] back on us. And the fact is,
[35:18] this property tax amendment is
[35:20] not intended to help the
[35:22] taxpayers of Florida. It's
[35:23] intended to help the lobbyists
[35:25] of Florida. And so we have to
[35:27] stand up for the taxpayers and
[35:28] get them educated so they
[35:29] understand what's coming at
[35:32] them in 70 days on NOVEMBER 3rd.
[35:34] Thank you all. I'm going to go
[35:39] home. Thank you, thank you.
[35:47] Brett Moss. Good evening
[35:51] Council Brett Moss. 152 West
[35:53] Mashta Drive. I'm here to speak
[35:55] about it or to think about it a
[35:57] little bit. I'm still looking
[35:59] at my stuff here. I'm speaking
[36:02] about two items similar to Luis
[36:06] de la Cruz's items. Ten d the
[36:07] cna that you guys are going to
[36:10] be talking about tonight. I
[36:12] know a lot of the firms that
[36:14] submitted the bids in there,
[36:15] and I looked over them, a lot
[36:18] of small and midsize local
[36:19] firms that are actually
[36:21] excellent firms that can do a
[36:22] lot of this work. It's not a
[36:24] surprise to me that many of
[36:26] them did not make it to the
[36:28] short list. What happens in
[36:29] these situations is that these
[36:31] national firms, which I'm not
[36:33] saying are bad and it's okay to
[36:34] have them on there, but the
[36:36] national firms have a ton of
[36:37] money lobbying, power marketing.
[36:39] They come in with big
[36:41] presentations and they wow
[36:42] everybody. The smaller firms,
[36:43] the local firms, don't put
[36:45] their money into that as much.
[36:46] They put it into the workers
[36:48] and the results of what comes
[36:50] out. So it's not a surprise to
[36:52] me that that's what happened.
[36:56] But it's a bit bizarre to me
[36:58] that we have firms that have
[37:00] worked with us in the past,
[37:01] recently, within the last few
[37:03] months, to others in the past,
[37:04] with owners who actually live
[37:06] in Key Biscayne, who have put
[37:08] their name in there and did not
[37:10] even make it to the short list
[37:13] of the top six. I think that
[37:14] Key Biscayne well, first, i
[37:16] just want to make sure you guys
[37:17] have a deep discussion about
[37:19] this tonight. And I believe
[37:20] that Key Biscayne should be
[37:21] much more inclusive to local
[37:23] firms. It helps our community,
[37:24] and it also benefits Key
[37:26] Biscayne as well. If you guys
[37:27] do that. The second one is on
[37:29] nine a. The proposed stamped
[37:32] asphalt on Harbor. I am totally
[37:34] against this. I don't think
[37:36] this meets our expectations of
[37:40] quality. This is cheap. It's. I
[37:41] can tell you right now that
[37:43] Brickell actually did this for
[37:44] every single one of their
[37:46] crosswalks on Brickell Avenue,
[37:48] and I watched all of them fail.
[37:50] They all broke, they got
[37:52] patched, they looked horrible.
[37:53] And three years ago, they
[37:54] ripped them all up. And what do
[37:56] you think they put in there?
[37:58] They put the pavers back. We've
[38:00] had those pavers there for 20
[38:03] plus years. They don't even
[38:05] need to be removed. They just
[38:06] need to be taken out and reset
[38:10] with a correct base on them.
[38:13] And I agree as well with I just
[38:15] want to add one other thing is
[38:16] that we don't have busses
[38:17] traveling out there every
[38:20] single hour, every day as we
[38:21] experienced before, so we will
[38:23] have less use on it. But I do
[38:25] agree with what Luis said as
[38:27] well. I think all the
[38:29] intersections should be reset.
[38:30] I think we should take one of
[38:32] them. Maybe Wes would drive and
[38:35] do a pervious test of a
[38:37] pervious pavers and see how it
[38:38] does over a couple of years,
[38:40] and maybe if it works, we put
[38:42] that in our future plan to
[38:43] reset the other ones like that.
[38:45] If it doesn't work, we just
[38:48] have to repair one. So again, i
[38:50] hope that you guys can meet our
[38:51] expectations of quality. I do
[38:53] not agree with going with a
[38:57] cheap stamped asphalt. Thank
[39:08] you, thank you. Enrique Lopez.
[39:10] Hello, members of the council.
[39:11] Mayor. Vice mayor. My name is
[39:13] Enrique Lopez. 340 Glenridge
[39:16] Road. Very quickly, I'm here to
[39:17] propose that we go ahead with
[39:19] the redevelopment of 303 Ellen
[39:21] Drive, item seven e in the
[39:23] agenda, I think would be a
[39:25] great addition to the village.
[39:28] It will bring a much needed tax
[39:29] dollars. It's by a well-known
[39:33] local developer, and I think I
[39:34] don't see any issue with not
[39:36] going ahead with it. Thank you,
[39:50] thank you. Martin. Good evening.
[39:54] Good evening, 400. I'm also
[39:56] here to support the development
[39:59] of a Galen Drive. And I believe
[40:01] that Walter, as a developer is
[40:02] a is a great addition. And he
[40:05] will push this in the right way.
[40:07] I think it will bring more
[40:09] taxes to the city and it will
[40:11] help also the local community
[40:15] here as well. Thank you, thank
[40:30] you. Good evening everyone. My
[40:34] name is 781 Brandon Boulevard.
[40:37] I have been a resident for more
[40:39] than 25 years now. I'm here to
[40:43] speak about 7303 Galen Drive.
[40:45] My professional experience has
[40:46] given me a strong understanding
[40:48] of development and urban
[40:50] planning, and this proposal in
[40:52] particular requires no
[40:54] additional density, yet it
[40:55] would significantly increase
[40:56] the property's contribution to
[40:58] the tax base, replacing the
[40:59] existing units with higher
[41:01] quality residences help
[41:02] alleviate flooding on the
[41:04] streets and enhance surrounding
[41:06] property taxes or property
[41:09] values. Actually, the existing
[41:10] building holds no meaningful
[41:11] historical, architectural and
[41:13] cultural significance for the
[41:15] community. It belongs to a
[41:18] different era, actually, and by
[41:19] replacing a short term rental
[41:21] with permanent residences, the
[41:23] project will reduce traffic
[41:26] noise and bring more year round
[41:28] residents to Biscayne and
[41:30] strengthening the sense of
[41:32] community of the village.
[41:33] Overall, the project represents
[41:34] a positive step for the
[41:36] community and deserves to be
[41:38] evaluated on its own merits.
[41:49] Thank you, thank you. Looks
[42:00] like Lucas or Luis Capurro. Hi.
[42:02] Good evening, mayor and council
[42:04] members. My name is Lucas
[42:05] Capurro and I am the developer
[42:07] of Casa on Sunrise Drive. I
[42:08] believe the project. Will your
[42:10] address please? Sorry. And your
[42:12] address, please? 202 Sunrise
[42:15] Drive. Thank you. I believe
[42:17] this project will be a positive
[42:19] addition to the village. It
[42:20] will improve the neighborhood,
[42:22] increase the value of
[42:24] surrounding properties and
[42:26] strengthen the local tax base.
[42:38] Thank you, thank you. Bridget.
[42:42] One name. Last name. Everybody
[42:43] knows Bridget. Oh, thank you,
[42:45] MR. Mayor. Good evening, MR.
[42:47] Mayor. Vice mayor, Council
[42:48] members, first of all, thank
[42:49] you so much for everything you
[42:51] do for your name and address.
[42:54] 931 Harbor Drive, Bridget
[42:55] Nachtigall. Thank you. And I've
[42:57] been in Key Biscayne residence
[43:00] since 1982. I'm here to support
[43:03] the project for 303 Galen. We
[43:04] can preserve what makes our
[43:06] community special. We still.
[43:07] Allowing it to evolve. This
[43:09] project is an opportunity to
[43:11] build something safer, stronger,
[43:13] and better prepared for our
[43:14] future. All of us. We need to
[43:15] think about safety and
[43:17] hurricane protection. We need
[43:18] to think about flooding and
[43:20] resilience. And we have to look
[43:22] around Miami because we're part
[43:24] of Miami and see how this city
[43:25] is growing everywhere. We need
[43:27] to grow. I mean, we all want to
[43:29] keep our Paradise Island. I
[43:30] don't want to live anywhere in
[43:32] Miami. And I think all of you
[43:34] know, I'm a real estate agent.
[43:35] I've been doing it for 37 years.
[43:37] I think I've sold all over
[43:38] Miami, and I wouldn't live
[43:39] anywhere but this beautiful
[43:41] island. But it's part of life.
[43:42] There's construction everywhere.
[43:44] There's new houses everywhere
[43:45] going up. And there's no reason
[43:47] why this developer who wants to
[43:48] invest in our island and is
[43:50] going to do a great job,
[43:51] wouldn't be allowed to do so.
[44:00] So thank you, thank you.
[44:09] Roberto de Leon. Hello. Robbie
[44:11] de Leon 101 would drive. I'm
[44:14] here in support for 303. Galen.
[44:16] I believe we should encourage
[44:19] new builders to knock down
[44:21] develop these older buildings
[44:24] instead of remodeling non
[44:26] conforming buildings. And
[44:36] that's it. Thank you, thank you.
[44:52] Alejandro Jimenez. Good evening.
[44:54] Alejandro Jimenez from Spain,
[44:55] resident here in Key Biscayne
[44:58] for the last 29 years, 25 Grand
[45:01] Bay state. I'm here to support
[45:04] 303 Galen development. I agree
[45:06] that we need to embellish our
[45:08] our community, our city. Miami
[45:10] is growing. Like we said, I
[45:11] think we have to keep in part
[45:13] with it, and certainly it will
[45:16] bring a lot of value to annex
[45:19] properties. Thank you so much.
[45:35] Thank you. Lucas. You're close.
[45:37] Very close. How are you? Good
[45:40] night. My name is Lucas. It's
[45:43] 151 Crandon Boulevard, unit 334.
[45:44] I'm here tonight to speak in
[45:46] favor of the development of 303
[45:48] Gallant Drive. I live in the
[45:50] Sunrise Gallant area for many
[45:51] years, and I care deeply about
[45:53] what happens in that part of
[45:55] the island. And I care about
[45:56] the future of the island as a
[45:58] whole. I understand, I
[46:00] understand that change can be
[46:01] difficult here. Key Biscayne is
[46:03] a special. We all have memories
[46:06] from ten, 20, 30, 40 years, and
[46:07] naturally, we want to protect
[46:09] the things that made us fall in
[46:13] love with this island. But that
[46:14] nostalgia is human, and we tend
[46:15] to remember the past better,
[46:19] simpler, and more familiar by
[46:21] representing the character of
[46:23] Biscayne, we cannot be
[46:25] prevented from evolving. Many
[46:27] of the buildings in sunrise and
[46:29] sunrise and Galen are now
[46:32] decades old. They belong from
[46:33] another era construction,
[46:35] design and planning. At some
[46:37] point, responsible development
[46:39] is not a threat to our
[46:40] community. It's an investment
[46:42] for our community and for our
[46:45] future. 3039 represents an
[46:47] opportunity, an opportunity to
[46:49] improve this area, modernize
[46:52] our housing stock, enhance
[46:54] streetscape, and demonstrate
[46:55] that Key Biscayne can move
[46:56] forward while still protecting
[46:58] the character that makes this
[47:01] village unique. Sometimes I
[47:04] felt I feel that the village.
[47:05] In the village, we spend so
[47:07] much time trying to safeguard
[47:10] the past that we make it
[47:12] unnecessary, difficult to build
[47:15] the future. And I understand
[47:17] the instinct, the instinct. We
[47:19] may also remember that when
[47:21] going when going to blockbuster,
[47:22] it was a great. On a Friday
[47:24] night. But now the world has
[47:26] changed and we use Netflix. It
[47:27] doesn't mean that the memories
[47:29] were bad, it simply means that
[47:30] the communities and
[47:32] technologies and the way of
[47:35] life have evolved. Key Biscayne
[47:37] has to evolve to. Our
[47:39] responsibility should not be to
[47:40] stop change. It should be to
[47:44] make sure change is thoughtful,
[47:45] responsible and beneficial for
[47:48] the community. I believe 303
[47:49] gallon drive is an opportunity
[47:50] for this council to demonstrate
[47:52] that we can respect the past
[47:57] without being trapped by it. We
[48:00] can preserve what we can
[48:01] preserve what makes Biscayne
[48:03] special, what allowing the
[48:04] village to enter into the next
[48:07] chapter. So I encourage you to,
[48:08] to, to take a look to the
[48:10] project, not simply as another
[48:13] development proposal, but as an
[48:15] opportunity for improvement,
[48:16] modernization, and responsible
[48:20] evolution of our island. Thank
[48:27] you, thank you. Gonzalo
[48:38] Fernandez del Castillo. Hello,
[48:40] Everyone. Gonzalo. Fernando del
[48:42] Castillo. I've been a resident
[48:44] in Key Biscayne for the last 15.
[48:46] Please, for the record, 345
[48:48] Harbor Lane. Thank you. And
[48:50] this is my second property that
[48:52] I buy in the key. And I'm
[48:55] living my American dream. I'm
[48:56] putting all my money in this
[48:58] city. And I believe that all
[49:00] infrastructure should come to a
[49:01] renewal at one point. I'm in
[49:04] favor of 303 gallon drive as
[49:05] the house that I'm buying right
[49:07] now, and I'm building, and I'm
[49:08] going to bring more taxes to
[49:10] the city. I believe that all
[49:11] the infrastructure in this city
[49:13] should be renewed at one point,
[49:15] and we should support this
[49:16] developers. So we have new
[49:18] infrastructure in the city.
[49:19] This building, this new
[49:21] infrastructure will help us all.
[49:23] And hopefully my house in the
[49:24] future will be building.
[49:25] Bringing this new
[49:27] infrastructure to the city will
[49:28] receive more taxpayers on the
[49:30] value of my home in the future
[49:32] is going to be worth more. So
[49:33] we need to renew the
[49:35] infrastructure, and we need to
[49:37] support developers to do new
[49:40] infrastructure in this city.
[49:55] Thank you. Thank you. Very.
[49:57] Hello, Council and Mayor
[49:59] Maurice Ferr\, 151 Crandon
[50:01] Boulevard. I wanted to talk
[50:04] about agenda item seven e, the
[50:06] development on 303 Galen. A lot
[50:07] of people have already spoken
[50:10] about it and proponent of it. I
[50:11] wanted to give maybe a
[50:12] different angle from my point
[50:14] of view. I grew up on Key
[50:15] Biscayne. I was fortunate
[50:17] enough to be here, met my wife
[50:19] here. We got married, ended up
[50:21] leaving Key Biscayne, and lived
[50:25] out outside of it. We always
[50:26] wanted to come back to Key
[50:28] Biscayne and live here, but it
[50:29] was extremely difficult, and
[50:31] one of the big reasons was
[50:32] because of optionality. And so
[50:34] I am for this development on
[50:37] 303 Galen, because if you look
[50:39] down on the streets, it's
[50:41] pretty skewed in the sense of
[50:42] the type of apartment buildings
[50:44] of you get some high end nice
[50:45] ones. And then on the other
[50:48] side, not so nice. And so being
[50:49] given the optionality to move
[50:51] to Key Biscayne and have these
[50:53] choices would be greatly
[50:54] beneficial. And I'd love for
[50:56] other people that are going
[50:57] through a similar situation to
[51:00] be able to do the same. Thank
[51:07] you. Thank you. Walter. Fortuna.
[51:12] Yeah. You want to speak? All
[51:16] right. We can do that. I've got
[51:25] Cecile Sanchez. Good evening.
[51:28] Cecile Sanchez, 260 Cypress
[51:33] Drive. I'm a real estate agent
[51:35] with Fortune International. It
[51:40] is wonderful that a developer
[51:43] is local. Hopefully, he's going
[51:45] to do a good job like he's done
[51:49] in the others that he has built.
[51:52] My question and I'm the first,
[51:56] is what happens? Some zoning
[52:02] code variances. Are we enough
[52:07] parking? Can we all understand
[52:09] that that building that is.
[52:11] There is apparently what I've
[52:15] heard and I saw that it's time
[52:18] for it to go. It's wonderful
[52:20] that it could we could have a
[52:23] new building elevated. Maybe
[52:24] the developer, if there's an
[52:26] issue, maybe they can work on.
[52:29] I think there's good people
[52:31] here that maybe they can go to
[52:32] terms. If there's anything that
[52:36] needs to be tweaked. But we
[52:38] need to think about that. It's
[52:41] true that most of those
[52:42] buildings, that's where my
[52:44] brother and my cousins, when
[52:45] they got married, that's where
[52:48] they started living in those
[52:49] buildings. Maybe it's time
[52:52] we're all getting old. It the
[52:54] buildings do too. That's number
[52:56] one. Number two are you talking
[52:58] about? I told him to speak for
[53:00] herself. No, talking about
[53:03] myself. So, number two, I want
[53:07] you to please look at the
[53:09] wonderful work that Saint Agnes
[53:12] did on the keystone pavers that
[53:17] they just replaced or reset.
[53:20] Think about it. Think about it.
[53:22] For this, I saw that we have
[53:23] here in the middle where the
[53:25] Monaco fountain is. How long
[53:29] are we going to keep on looking
[53:33] at those break old, broken up
[53:35] imitation keystone finish.
[53:38] Please get the contractor that
[53:40] did it in Saint Agnes. Check it.
[53:43] I don't know, but I think it's
[53:46] worthwhile that. Please do me a
[53:49] favor. Save the trees. If you
[53:51] need to work on that little
[53:53] bumpy park. Marilyn Monroe Park,
[53:54] whatever you want to call it.
[53:56] Where are you going to put all
[53:58] these contraptions? Think of
[54:03] what? Or analyze what? Luis de
[54:07] la Cruz said. We don't need the
[54:09] equipment. And is it an
[54:10] emergency? There's so many
[54:13] things going on. We're all
[54:16] going crazy. Sea aquarium, you
[54:21] know. Please, can we slow down?
[54:24] There's a new mayor coming. New
[54:27] council. Can you wait and just
[54:29] take it easy? Nothing is
[54:30] happening. Thank goodness
[54:33] there's no hurricanes coming.
[54:36] Save the trees, please. Thank
[54:45] you, thank you. Brad, where are
[54:46] you? You're supposed to take
[55:02] over already. And Adriana.
[55:07] Adriana, 1121 Crandon Boulevard,
[55:11] f 205. Okay. We cannot stop the
[55:13] development and change of our
[55:15] island. MR. De Fortuna has been
[55:17] a resident of our island for
[55:19] more than 30 years. I am sure
[55:22] that his project will be made
[55:24] with respect for our community
[55:26] and its future. I'm sure. Let
[55:28] me see. Because I just wrote it
[55:33] and the telephone. Community
[55:35] and its future. I'm sure your
[55:37] project will be. His project
[55:39] will be better than any project
[55:41] from a developer who doesn't
[55:45] live in our island. Thank you,
[55:56] thank you. I'm. Having trouble
[56:03] with this one. Mark Chatburn.
[56:05] All right. You can read the
[56:06] writing. Good evening. MR. Good
[56:10] evening, council members, and
[56:13] I'm here. I'm a resident. Mark
[56:15] chapter 701 Crandon Boulevard.
[56:17] Thank you. I've been a resident
[56:20] for years. I also work here in
[56:23] the island. I'm a real estate
[56:26] broker and I'm here to support
[56:31] item seven e, the new or the
[56:37] proposed redevelopment for 303
[56:44] gallon drive. I think it's a
[56:52] wonderful opportunity and a
[57:01] wonderful project. We work with
[57:10] buyers all the time and in
[57:20] today's environment, people
[57:30] buyers are looking for quality
[57:41] construction and safety and of
[57:50] course long term investment. We
[58:00] are advocating for the island
[58:09] to bring a lot of people to buy
[58:17] and live in this wonderful
[58:27] place. And sometimes we
[58:38] struggle, sometimes we do. I
[58:48] also think that well-designed
[58:56] redevelopments elevates the
[59:03] overall quality and appearance
[59:11] of our village, like new homes
[59:19] and all these beautiful
[59:27] commercial spaces that are
[59:35] being fixed. It all helps. I
[59:44] also think that newer and
[59:53] resilient buildings help
[1:00:02] support the surrounding
[1:00:11] property values. I do believe
[1:00:20] that a new building will help
[1:00:29] the entire area where the
[1:00:38] building is being redeveloped.
[1:00:47] I think this project respects
[1:00:57] the existing density while
[1:01:07] improving safety, resilience
[1:01:18] and the quality of the
[1:01:28] neighborhood. It's a thoughtful
[1:01:37] investment in the future of Key
[1:01:44] Biscayne, and I respectfully
[1:01:52] encourage the council to
[1:02:00] support it. Thank you, thank
[1:02:08] you. That's all the public
[1:02:16] comments that I have at this
[1:02:24] time. MR. Attorney, could we
[1:02:32] just jump to the presentation
[1:02:39] on the on 303, since we have so
[1:02:47] many people here and the
[1:02:55] council doesn't have a problem
[1:03:06] with that? Sure. Counsel,
[1:03:13] you're good with that. So. Okay,
[1:03:21] Jeremy, you're up first. Good
[1:03:28] evening, MR. Mayor. Members of
[1:03:35] the council. My name is Mario
[1:03:42] Garcia. Sarah, with offices at
[1:03:49] 600 Brickell Avenue and my
[1:03:56] residents at 600 Great Tree
[1:04:03] Drive here this evening,
[1:04:10] representing Galen Drive mw,
[1:04:18] llc, the contract purchaser for
[1:04:24] the property, located at 303
[1:04:32] Galen Drive, commonly referred
[1:04:40] to as the Coral Reef Apartments.
[1:04:46] MR. Mayor, I think the
[1:04:53] anticipation was that with just.
[1:04:59] The applicant will be
[1:05:03] presenting this evening, but
[1:05:08] I'm sure staff is available for
[1:05:11] any questions or comments that
[1:05:14] you might have. We're bringing
[1:05:17] the presentation up on the
[1:05:19] screen now. While we're doing
[1:05:21] that, I introduce the rest of
[1:05:24] the project team that's there
[1:05:26] that's here. This evening. I'm
[1:05:29] joined this evening by Walter
[1:05:31] de Fortuna, the principal of
[1:05:34] Galen Drive mw llc, who is a
[1:05:36] longtime resident of Key
[1:05:38] Biscayne with a proven track
[1:05:39] record, as you've already heard
[1:05:41] this evening in a real estate
[1:05:44] development and hospitality
[1:05:46] sections. Also joined by
[1:05:48] Bernardo Ford of Arquitectonica,
[1:05:50] who is our project architect,
[1:05:51] as well as MR. Judd Kurlantzick,
[1:05:53] our planning and zoning
[1:05:54] consultant. There is a land use
[1:05:55] and zoning code text amendment
[1:05:57] component of our request, which
[1:05:59] I will present on with Judd's
[1:06:00] assistance, and then Bernardo
[1:06:02] will present the project here
[1:06:04] to orient. Everybody is the
[1:06:06] project site and we'll provide
[1:06:08] some background information on
[1:06:10] it. It's a little over one acre
[1:06:12] in size, located at the very
[1:06:14] east end of Galen Drive, the
[1:06:16] Ritz-Carlton hotel is to its
[1:06:18] east and the Ritz-Carlton
[1:06:20] Tennis Center is to its
[1:06:21] immediate north. The Galen
[1:06:23] Breakers Condominiums is to the
[1:06:25] south, on the other side of
[1:06:26] Galen Drive, the existing
[1:06:28] building on the site, the Coral
[1:06:29] Reef Apartments is a 51 unit,
[1:06:31] three story apartment building,
[1:06:33] originally constructed in 1967
[1:06:35] with a combination of one
[1:06:36] bedroom and two bedroom
[1:06:38] apartments, it is one of the
[1:06:39] few properties in Key Biscayne,
[1:06:40] unfortunately, whose assessed
[1:06:42] value has actually gone down
[1:06:43] over the last few years. Its
[1:06:44] assessed value in 2023 was 9.5
[1:06:45] million, and today it is
[1:06:46] 8,000,850 000. The units are
[1:06:48] presently rented out for both
[1:06:49] long term and short term
[1:06:50] rentals, and based on anecdotal
[1:06:51] evidence, it is short term
[1:06:52] rental units do not compare
[1:06:53] favorably to other short term
[1:06:54] rental units available in Key
[1:06:55] Biscayne. The entire ground
[1:06:56] floor of units in this building
[1:06:57] is below base flood elevation,
[1:06:58] and the property contributes a
[1:06:59] total of $26,000 in tax revenue
[1:07:00] to the village annually, which
[1:07:01] is about $500 in tax revenue
[1:07:02] per unit each year. As you are
[1:07:03] aware, we have single family
[1:07:04] homes in the village which
[1:07:05] contribute more in tax revenue
[1:07:06] to the village. In short, this
[1:07:07] is a site crying out for and in
[1:07:08] need of redevelopment. The
[1:07:09] first thing we looked at, of
[1:07:10] course, is the property zoning.
[1:07:12] As you can see from this map,
[1:07:13] which is a village zoning map,
[1:07:14] the property is zoned ahm 30,
[1:07:15] which is the village's high
[1:07:16] rise multifamily zoning
[1:07:17] district. Of importance to note
[1:07:18] and noted on the plan there is
[1:07:19] that there are about four ahm
[1:07:20] 30 properties, including this
[1:07:21] one, which are located in the
[1:07:22] vicinity, which are not
[1:07:22] oceanfront, not beachfront. The
[1:07:23] failure of the drafters of the
[1:07:24] village's zoning code to
[1:07:26] acknowledge this distinction
[1:07:27] led to a mistake in the code,
[1:07:27] which we are asking you to
[1:07:28] correct. On the left side of
[1:07:29] this image, you'll see the
[1:07:30] height, floor, area, and
[1:07:31] density allowed by the existing
[1:07:32] zoning. It is very important to
[1:07:33] note that the height permitted
[1:07:34] today is 150ft. That height is
[1:07:34] already permitted. The floor
[1:07:35] area which is allowed is what
[1:07:36] is bizarre. As you can see, the
[1:07:37] far of 0.4 is ridiculously
[1:07:38] small for a 150 foot high
[1:07:38] building. When one applies that
[1:07:39] current zoning to the property,
[1:07:40] the amount of floor area which
[1:07:40] could potentially be
[1:07:41] constructed in new construction
[1:07:42] today on this property is
[1:07:42] 19,800ft!S. That is less than
[1:07:43] half of what exists today.
[1:07:44] Dividing that number by the 34
[1:07:44] units permitted today and
[1:07:45] deducting a 2,420% for common
[1:07:45] area would leave you with an
[1:07:46] average unit size of 465ft!S.
[1:07:47] That is barely a respectable
[1:07:47] studio apartment. Comparing the
[1:07:48] below summary on this slide
[1:07:48] with the upper summary makes
[1:07:49] clear why this property has
[1:07:50] never been a candidate for
[1:07:50] redevelopment, despite its
[1:07:51] unfortunate current condition.
[1:07:51] What exists today the 51 unit
[1:07:52] and the 46,290 209ft!S in three
[1:07:53] stories is considerably more
[1:07:53] than what is allowed under
[1:07:54] today's zoning. There is
[1:07:55] absolutely no incentive for
[1:07:55] redevelopment of this property,
[1:07:56] which makes absolutely no sense.
[1:07:56] When we look at the next lowest
[1:07:57] zoning district, which is rm 16,
[1:07:57] ahm 30 is what we're zoned. Ahm
[1:07:58] 16 is the next lowest zoning
[1:07:59] district. It's supposed to be
[1:07:59] the medium density, low rise
[1:08:00] zoning of the village. One
[1:08:00] realizes the internal
[1:08:01] inconsistency in this code. Ahm
[1:08:01] 16 allows an far, which is
[1:08:02] twice as high point eight as
[1:08:03] what is allowed for a non
[1:08:03] oceanfront ahm 30 property. How
[1:08:04] can the supposedly more intense
[1:08:04] zoning district have half the
[1:08:05] far of the lesser intense
[1:08:05] zoning district? The answer to
[1:08:06] what caused this mistake lies
[1:08:07] in the language right below
[1:08:07] that highlighted area. The
[1:08:08] higher f, a, r and r 30 is only
[1:08:08] achievable if an oceanfront
[1:08:09] property dedicates easements
[1:08:09] for beach access. Access. The
[1:08:10] drafters of the code just
[1:08:10] failed to acknowledge that
[1:08:11] there were none. Oceanfront ahm
[1:08:12] 30 properties such as 303 Galen.
[1:08:12] We know that this happened by
[1:08:13] investigating a little bit of
[1:08:13] history. All of the village's
[1:08:14] properties, which today are
[1:08:14] most almost all of the
[1:08:15] village's properties today,
[1:08:15] which are zoned ahm 30, were
[1:08:16] zoned either Ru four or Ru four
[1:08:16] a under Miami-Dade County. Far
[1:08:17] is regulated even until today
[1:08:17] in the county's r four and ru4
[1:08:18] districts pursuant to the far
[1:08:19] table you see in front of you.
[1:08:19] This is the exact same far
[1:08:19] table that you see in the
[1:08:20] village's rm 30 zoning district,
[1:08:20] which are all built out and
[1:08:21] maxed out under the previous
[1:08:22] county zoning, with the
[1:08:22] exception of 303. Galen. Simply
[1:08:23] speaking, when the new village
[1:08:23] code was adopted, they cut and
[1:08:24] paste this far table. Added the
[1:08:24] language on beach access
[1:08:25] easements, and overlooked the
[1:08:26] fact that several of the 30
[1:08:27] properties are not beach front.
[1:08:27] To sort of help support this
[1:08:28] argument, I'm bringing out
[1:08:28] somebody from our village
[1:08:29] history, which is Judd
[1:08:29] Kurlantzick, our planning and
[1:08:30] zoning consultant who many of
[1:08:30] you know, previously served as
[1:08:31] planning and zoning director
[1:08:31] for the village. Judd. Thank
[1:08:32] you. Mario Judd Kurlantzick 611
[1:08:32] Ocean Drive and a 25 year
[1:08:33] resident of the village. When
[1:08:33] the village incorporated, we
[1:08:34] took over. We used the county's
[1:08:34] zoning code and over a series
[1:08:35] of several Zorks, which for
[1:08:35] Mayor Kaplan participated in,
[1:08:36] we began to rezone the village.
[1:08:36] We started with the single
[1:08:37] family and we moved to
[1:08:37] multi-family. And then we moved
[1:08:38] to the oceanfront. And what
[1:08:38] happened here? We looked at the
[1:08:39] Garden District, which which
[1:08:39] name came later in that time,
[1:08:40] and we said that there's
[1:08:40] something special about the
[1:08:41] Garden District. But things
[1:08:41] have changed. It's time for new
[1:08:41] construction. And when we look
[1:08:42] at the rm 30 buildings, as
[1:08:42] shown on the map, there's four
[1:08:43] of them at the end of the block
[1:08:43] that are m 30, while the rest
[1:08:44] of that zoning district is rm
[1:08:44] 16 very different in height
[1:08:44] 150ft. When I was building
[1:08:45] Zoning Planning director, we
[1:08:45] did a study. Jeremy is also
[1:08:46] updated that study that the end
[1:08:46] those buildings at the end of
[1:08:47] the blocks, the four of them
[1:08:47] all approach or have an far of
[1:08:47] 2.0. They're all maximizing the
[1:08:48] density. They were built under
[1:08:48] the county code. And as Mario
[1:08:48] said, we simply cut and paste
[1:08:49] the the county code into our
[1:08:49] code when it came time to do
[1:08:49] this, unfortunately, I made a
[1:08:50] mistake. One of the very rare
[1:08:50] ones that I made. I like to
[1:08:50] think that others would differ
[1:08:51] with me on that, but I'd like
[1:08:51] to think that somehow we put. I
[1:08:51] put in oceanfront easement and
[1:08:52] that's how you get to the 2.0.
[1:08:52] It's absolutely impossible for
[1:08:52] those four buildings, which are
[1:08:52] landlocked, to provide an
[1:08:53] oceanfront easement. It cannot
[1:08:53] happen. That was the mistake.
[1:08:53] It was recognized sometime
[1:08:54] after that. My good friend
[1:08:54] Jeremy is also recognized also.
[1:08:54] And now we're getting around to
[1:08:55] fixing this mistake. I never
[1:08:55] thought I'd be part of this
[1:08:56] process to do that, but that's
[1:08:56] where I find myself right now.
[1:08:56] So we're asking you to correct
[1:08:57] that error of several years ago,
[1:08:57] because it's impossible to
[1:08:57] provide an easement. We're
[1:08:58] entitled to get to the 2.0.
[1:08:58] That's the underlying zoning.
[1:08:58] We're entitled to the density,
[1:08:58] and we're asking you to to set
[1:08:59] to do that for us and move
[1:08:59] forward with what will be a.
[1:08:59] And you're going to see it from
[1:09:00] Arquitectonica, a magnificent
[1:09:00] transitional building. They
[1:09:00] really did a great job. And
[1:09:00] we'll get into how much better
[1:09:01] this building is going to be.
[1:09:01] Being a Bf and above taking
[1:09:02] care of all the resiliency
[1:09:02] problems. And when it comes
[1:09:02] down to negotiating with the
[1:09:03] village, I believe we're going
[1:09:03] to make a very generous proffer,
[1:09:04] which is going to improve the
[1:09:04] entire infrastructure in the
[1:09:04] Garden District. Thank you very
[1:09:05] much, mayor. Keep going. Thank
[1:09:05] you. Thank you, MR. Mayor. I'd
[1:09:05] say we probably have about
[1:09:06] another 5 or 6 minutes. Okay.
[1:09:06] Let me now touch upon the issue
[1:09:06] of density, because we are
[1:09:07] requesting a code amendment to
[1:09:07] allow arm 30 properties to keep
[1:09:07] their existing density. As I
[1:09:08] mentioned earlier, all of the
[1:09:08] arm 30 properties were
[1:09:09] developed under Miami-Dade
[1:09:09] County zoning and are more
[1:09:09] dense than what is permitted
[1:09:11] today. The Village code allows
[1:09:12] them to keep their greater
[1:09:15] density existing density when
[1:09:17] being rebuilt in the event of a
[1:09:19] natural catastrophe.
[1:09:20] Accordingly, those higher
[1:09:22] densities can be kept into
[1:09:24] perpetuity and are here to stay.
[1:09:25] It is highly unlikely that
[1:09:27] those buildings will ever be
[1:09:29] redeveloped at a lower density.
[1:09:30] We're asking you to acknowledge
[1:09:31] that reality and allow
[1:09:32] properties to keep their
[1:09:34] existing density upon
[1:09:35] redevelopment also, so as to
[1:09:37] encourage new construction,
[1:09:39] which is resilient of better
[1:09:41] quality and contributes more to
[1:09:44] the community. With regards to
[1:09:46] F.A.R, we are asking you to
[1:09:47] correct a mistake and with
[1:09:48] regards to density, we are
[1:09:51] asking you to allow us to keep
[1:09:52] what we have consistent with
[1:09:53] other policies in the village's
[1:09:56] comprehensive plan. But in both
[1:09:58] cases, we are proposing that
[1:10:00] this only be allowed in the
[1:10:02] form of bonuses or additional
[1:10:04] public benefit is provided in
[1:10:06] the form of either land
[1:10:08] easements or monetary
[1:10:10] contributions. The previous
[1:10:11] slide was a proposed amendment
[1:10:13] to the Comprehensive Plan text.
[1:10:15] This slide is the amendment to
[1:10:17] the zoning code text. In this
[1:10:18] way, we can have an rm 30
[1:10:20] zoning district which makes
[1:10:21] sense. Treats non oceanfront
[1:10:23] properties appropriately and
[1:10:24] allows redevelopment, but a
[1:10:25] quality redevelopment which
[1:10:28] does not create increased
[1:10:29] density and create significant
[1:10:31] public benefit. With that said,
[1:10:33] I'll ask Bernardo to come up
[1:10:34] and discuss the project and
[1:10:46] then Walter will close us out.
[1:10:47] Good afternoon. I'm Bernardo,
[1:10:48] I'm a principal of
[1:10:51] Arquitectonica, 2900 Oak Avenue,
[1:10:55] Miami. I'm going to take you
[1:10:57] through some of the images and
[1:11:02] plans of the project. Oh, here.
[1:11:05] Which one? Here. Just Yarrow.
[1:11:08] Okay. Thank you. Well, that is
[1:11:10] the location is where you see
[1:11:14] it marked r in 30. That
[1:11:16] rectangle is the subject
[1:11:18] property to the north. You can
[1:11:20] see that there's a series of
[1:11:23] tennis courts and racket courts.
[1:11:25] There's no building to that
[1:11:27] side. But to the south, there's
[1:11:29] a building that you'll see how
[1:11:31] we are being respectful of, in
[1:11:32] the manner in which we straddle
[1:11:35] by moving our building to the
[1:11:37] west so that it clears, it
[1:11:41] keeps its views across the
[1:11:45] space. You can see here the
[1:11:47] massing that is permitted on
[1:11:49] the site, and how we have
[1:11:51] actually minimized it for the
[1:11:53] purpose that I just described.
[1:11:55] You can see here the ground
[1:11:56] level, and it's important to
[1:11:59] point out that we're above the
[1:12:01] b f as required. And we vetted
[1:12:03] all this plan that you see here
[1:12:06] with the civil engineers to
[1:12:07] make sure that the building is
[1:12:09] resilient and that it's
[1:12:12] protected from flooding,
[1:12:14] including all the spaces that
[1:12:15] you see here. You can see your
[1:12:19] rise to the level of the lobby,
[1:12:22] and even the mep space is
[1:12:24] properly protected at that
[1:12:26] elevation. It is the intent of
[1:12:28] is to provide a building that
[1:12:30] is self-sufficient. It drains
[1:12:32] itself, it contains its waters
[1:12:35] within, and that it's resilient
[1:12:38] to any event that MAY happen.
[1:12:40] You can see here the next level,
[1:12:43] as we go up into the garage,
[1:12:45] you can see the garage spanning
[1:12:48] across. It's a very low slung
[1:12:50] horizontal volume that goes
[1:12:52] across the space. And
[1:12:54] immediately after that we have
[1:12:55] an open space. You can see
[1:12:57] where the building is to the
[1:13:01] left, to the west to help
[1:13:02] provide the open space for the
[1:13:04] building. To the south, you see
[1:13:05] where the location of the
[1:13:09] swimming pool is. Some terraces
[1:13:12] for lounging. The amenities
[1:13:14] open and indoors are happening
[1:13:17] on this level. If we go to the
[1:13:19] next level, you see how that
[1:13:21] double height space provides
[1:13:24] natural light. Also in the
[1:13:25] afternoon into the pool deck,
[1:13:28] and also opens up and gives air
[1:13:32] space to the south, towards the
[1:13:33] street and towards the
[1:13:34] neighbors. And finally the
[1:13:37] building rises above it and you
[1:13:39] can see the simple organization
[1:13:41] of the floor plan that is fully
[1:13:43] shifted to the position that I
[1:13:46] that I described. And
[1:13:48] eventually we are enclosing the
[1:13:49] mechanical space. So it will
[1:13:53] not be evident. You can see
[1:13:54] here the building position and
[1:13:57] where it is located. You can
[1:14:00] see the companion buildings on
[1:14:03] the waterfront and to the south,
[1:14:06] to the north, to the east and
[1:14:08] and where the adjacent building
[1:14:11] is located and why we are
[1:14:14] shifted to the void space next
[1:14:17] to it. You can see here other
[1:14:19] views here in the context of
[1:14:22] the racket complex that occurs
[1:14:24] to the north and northwest of
[1:14:25] the property. And you can see
[1:14:27] here, here in the context of
[1:14:29] other buildings of similar
[1:14:31] height, because similar scale
[1:14:32] wouldn't be appropriate to say,
[1:14:34] because this is a far smaller
[1:14:35] building in terms of footprint,
[1:14:37] a fraction of any of the other
[1:14:40] buildings of its kind. And you
[1:14:42] can see how the ground level,
[1:14:44] you see the rise of the
[1:14:45] vehicles arriving to the lobby,
[1:14:47] and how we have a very low
[1:14:51] slung garage that is providing
[1:14:53] shade to the covered drop off
[1:14:55] on a rainy day and how it is
[1:14:58] fully landscaped along a berm
[1:15:00] and along the whole front edge
[1:15:03] of the street. This is a really
[1:15:05] green passage along the street,
[1:15:08] actually unusually green for
[1:15:11] that street that is of another
[1:15:12] era where greenery wasn't as
[1:15:14] dominant as what we're trying
[1:15:16] to create here. We also had
[1:15:18] greenery on that interstitial
[1:15:19] space on the pool deck that
[1:15:21] goes all the way across the
[1:15:23] frontage. You can see here the
[1:15:25] arrival and its transparency
[1:15:27] and being friendly to the
[1:15:29] street. You can see the
[1:15:31] walkways that are going by the
[1:15:33] property and and how green
[1:15:36] we're trying to make them. And
[1:15:38] you can see here the pool deck
[1:15:39] and what I meant by opening up
[1:15:41] the building on that level
[1:15:43] above the garage so that it
[1:15:46] would float and, and give
[1:15:47] openness to the next door
[1:15:48] neighbors. Here you can see the
[1:15:50] view from the swimming pool and
[1:15:52] viewing the other direction
[1:15:54] towards the waterfront.
[1:15:56] Complexes that exist towards
[1:15:58] the east. But you can see here
[1:15:59] the amount of open space that
[1:16:02] we're creating on this level to
[1:16:04] open up the airspace towards
[1:16:06] the street. And I hope this
[1:16:09] gives you the general plan. You
[1:16:11] can see that we have resiliency
[1:16:14] and rain garden strategy for
[1:16:16] the building. We have a
[1:16:21] stormwater strategy. We have a.
[1:16:23] Resilient planting palette
[1:16:25] throughout. We have a native
[1:16:26] coastal landscape that is very
[1:16:28] much part of our landscape
[1:16:30] strategy. You can see here the
[1:16:32] many elements of that landscape
[1:16:33] strategy that we are using in
[1:16:36] every way in order to make this
[1:16:38] a really green, sustainable and
[1:16:40] resilient building. And we have
[1:16:41] studied all these elements. You
[1:16:44] can see that the Florida, the
[1:16:45] native and Florida adapted
[1:16:47] species that are very much part
[1:16:50] of the, of the, of the concept
[1:16:51] that we are bringing into the
[1:16:53] property, including natural
[1:16:55] stone and mulch and textural
[1:16:58] ground covers. So hopefully
[1:16:59] this gives you a general sense
[1:17:02] of what we're anticipating to
[1:17:03] create within the building and
[1:17:06] around it. Okay. Thank you very
[1:17:15] much. Thank you. MR. Mayor.
[1:17:16] Council members, thank you very
[1:17:18] much for the opportunity to
[1:17:20] present this. Bernardo. Maybe
[1:17:22] not that many people know your
[1:17:23] talent, but I want to thank you
[1:17:25] very much. I know that you have
[1:17:27] put a lot of effort and a lot
[1:17:29] of time and a very small period
[1:17:30] of time to create this
[1:17:32] beautiful building. So I really
[1:17:36] want to congratulate you on it.
[1:17:39] I live on 720 Harvard Drive. My
[1:17:42] name is Walter de Fortuna. I've
[1:17:44] been a resident for over 40
[1:17:46] years. Me and my family have
[1:17:48] lived in this island for the
[1:17:52] same time. I'm really happy and
[1:17:54] I'm proud to live in this place.
[1:17:56] For me, it's not. I'm not. I
[1:17:58] don't consider myself an extra
[1:17:59] developer to this island. I
[1:18:01] consider my family and my
[1:18:05] friends here. So I had put a
[1:18:07] lot of time and effort in this
[1:18:09] project. I had to spend a lot
[1:18:11] of time hiring consultants,
[1:18:13] following the guidelines of the
[1:18:18] members of staff, and I was
[1:18:19] presented with this opportunity
[1:18:21] a while ago. I know this family
[1:18:22] that owned this building for
[1:18:24] more than 25 years. They own
[1:18:26] this building for over 30 years.
[1:18:29] They bought it for $3.5 million.
[1:18:31] Now it's assessed at about nine.
[1:18:33] The development opportunity,
[1:18:35] you know, give us a chance to
[1:18:37] address the flooding in the
[1:18:39] street. I was the developer
[1:18:42] behind 285 and 201 sunrise,
[1:18:44] both in the Garden District. I
[1:18:45] never came in front of you to
[1:18:47] ask you for anything. I think I
[1:18:49] did the right things with those
[1:18:50] building. I'm trying to do the
[1:18:51] same thing with this building.
[1:18:53] I was put in the agenda to talk
[1:18:55] about it. You know, I thought I
[1:18:57] was hoping we were going to
[1:18:58] vote on this. I spoke to the
[1:19:00] council members before I spoke
[1:19:03] to staff deeply. I looked at
[1:19:07] every issue. I carefully
[1:19:09] analyzed these these
[1:19:11] possibilities, and I thought,
[1:19:12] this is a great addition to to
[1:19:17] the island. I'm one against
[1:19:19] more traffic, more density,
[1:19:22] more crowdedness in in our city,
[1:19:24] but I'm not asking for any more
[1:19:27] density. I my, my speech is the
[1:19:29] 30 unit or the 51 units that
[1:19:31] are there. If I don't do this
[1:19:31] development, they're still
[1:19:33] going to be there. They were
[1:19:34] there for 60 years. They will
[1:19:35] probably be there for another
[1:19:37] 60 years. The building. We all
[1:19:39] know how it looks like. I'm not
[1:19:42] asking, you know, I mean, to
[1:19:45] give me another 60 units. I
[1:19:48] said, let me have what it is
[1:19:50] existing there so I can develop
[1:19:52] this project. Because if that
[1:19:54] is not possible, this project
[1:19:58] is not doable. A few days ago,
[1:20:00] I thought this was going to be
[1:20:01] treated in front of you as an
[1:20:03] item in the agenda to be voted.
[1:20:05] They told me that they decided
[1:20:08] to take it and all respectfully,
[1:20:11] I thought it was taken because
[1:20:13] the the thing they told me is
[1:20:15] that it was going to look at a
[1:20:17] more, more comprehensive way to
[1:20:19] look at the whole Garden
[1:20:21] District. I'm against the
[1:20:22] rezoning of the whole Garden
[1:20:23] District. I don't think it
[1:20:25] needs it. This is the only
[1:20:26] building in the whole island
[1:20:28] that is single owner. All the
[1:20:29] other buildings in the island
[1:20:32] are condominiums. I've been
[1:20:34] there around that developed all
[1:20:37] over Miami. I can tell you, you
[1:20:39] can plan, you can change the
[1:20:40] zoning, but you're not going to
[1:20:42] see a lot of new buildings
[1:20:43] because buying individual units
[1:20:45] from condo owners is not an
[1:20:47] easy task. I did it at 201
[1:20:49] sunrise where a group of
[1:20:51] friends tried. It took me ten
[1:20:54] years to buy 19 units, so that
[1:20:56] gives you scope of how easy it
[1:20:57] is to see a new development in
[1:21:00] the island. So all I'm asking
[1:21:02] with a very in a very
[1:21:05] respectful way to be put back
[1:21:07] on the agenda and to be treated
[1:21:09] and notwithstanding
[1:21:10] preferential way, I don't want
[1:21:13] anything special. I just want
[1:21:14] to consider these projects for
[1:21:17] his own merits. And basically,
[1:21:19] if you, council members and
[1:21:21] mayor think that this is a
[1:21:23] project that should be approved
[1:21:25] based on the merits, approve it.
[1:21:28] And if it's not, deny it. So I
[1:21:31] really thank you very much for
[1:21:32] your time and effort and your
[1:21:43] consideration. Thank you.
[1:21:44] Should I conclude my comments,
[1:21:48] mayor? Yes, yes, we we need to
[1:21:51] keep going here. Understood. So
[1:21:52] it's going to be about two
[1:21:53] minutes. I want to assure
[1:21:54] everyone that this is not spot
[1:21:56] zoning. Spot zoning is when you
[1:21:57] treat a particular property
[1:21:58] differently from the rest. What
[1:21:59] we're looking to do here is
[1:22:01] correct. An error that there is
[1:22:03] in the arm 30 zoning
[1:22:04] designation tonight. We're not
[1:22:06] asking you to agree with what
[1:22:07] we're proposing or to indicate
[1:22:08] whether you're going to approve
[1:22:11] this project or not. We just
[1:22:12] want a fair hearing on the
[1:22:13] applications we've requested.
[1:22:15] That's the right of every
[1:22:17] applicant, and we ask that you
[1:22:19] do not deprive us or defer that
[1:22:20] hearing of the application. And
[1:22:22] in particular, we would ask,
[1:22:23] and I know this is a unique ask,
[1:22:25] but we would ask that you
[1:22:26] schedule a special meeting of
[1:22:28] the council the second week of
[1:22:29] SEPTEMBER, so that this council
[1:22:30] could be the one that reviews
[1:22:34] this project and provides their
[1:22:35] determination on this proposed
[1:22:37] zoning code text amendment.
[1:22:39] This is a small town that has
[1:22:40] always prided itself as
[1:22:42] treating everyone fairly, and
[1:22:43] that is the only thing that
[1:22:45] we're asking for this evening.
[1:22:47] Thank you very much. Thank you.
[1:22:53] Thank you. So I would I would
[1:22:57] like Jeremy, our building
[1:23:00] director, and Chad, our village
[1:23:04] attorney, talk to the council
[1:23:06] about what challenges we have
[1:23:09] to if if we want to move
[1:23:14] forward with this. So the
[1:23:17] applicant has proposed a
[1:23:19] comprehensive plan amendment, a
[1:23:22] zoning code text amendment, a
[1:23:24] site plan, and potentially
[1:23:26] variances depending on the site
[1:23:29] plan. The Comprehensive Plan
[1:23:33] amendment requires review by
[1:23:35] the state of Florida and its
[1:23:37] agencies. So between first and
[1:23:39] second reading of an ordinance
[1:23:41] amending the Comprehensive Plan,
[1:23:43] we have to allow the state and
[1:23:46] its agencies 30 days to review.
[1:23:50] So we need to back out those
[1:23:51] days in any review for a
[1:23:52] comprehensive plan before we
[1:23:55] can have second reading. We
[1:23:57] also have a site plan workshop
[1:23:59] requirement that you guys MAY
[1:24:01] recall was adopted, which also,
[1:24:04] I believe requires 28 days
[1:24:05] prior to it being heard for
[1:24:08] that workshop to occur. So
[1:24:10] really, we need to have at
[1:24:14] least 30 days before between
[1:24:17] first and second reading to
[1:24:18] allow the state process to
[1:24:22] occur. And the zoning workshop
[1:24:26] to occur. So then there's
[1:24:28] notification requirements that
[1:24:29] obviously something was put
[1:24:32] into the, I mean, just accepted
[1:24:32] responsibility. Even though he
[1:24:34] never made a mistake, he said
[1:24:36] this is what he made and that
[1:24:38] is that it's impossible to have
[1:24:42] a, a path or an easement to the
[1:24:43] water when you're not on the
[1:24:46] water. Now, does that require a
[1:24:48] change in the comprehensive
[1:24:50] plan since that what was an
[1:24:51] impossibility? And we put in
[1:24:55] there the the language that
[1:24:57] Judd was referring to was in
[1:24:58] the zoning code and not the
[1:25:00] comprehensive plan. The
[1:25:01] amendment to the Comprehensive
[1:25:05] Plan is to allow for the
[1:25:07] redevelopment of this project
[1:25:09] at its existing densities, and
[1:25:12] to allow for a higher F.A.R. So
[1:25:14] it doesn't have to deal with
[1:25:15] the provision that Judd was
[1:25:16] referring to. I also believe if
[1:25:18] that provision. I don't have it
[1:25:20] in front of me right now, but I
[1:25:22] think it says if it's a
[1:25:24] waterfront property, the far is
[1:25:27] you can have an far bonus. So I
[1:25:28] don't think that it was saying
[1:25:31] it was not addressing non
[1:25:32] waterfront properties. I think
[1:25:34] it was actually saying that if
[1:25:36] you are a waterfront property,
[1:25:38] you are entitled to this bonus.
[1:25:39] You say that's correct a
[1:25:41] mistake. No it's no I'm not
[1:25:43] going to speak to judge the
[1:25:45] veracity of Judd's statements,
[1:25:47] but I'm just going to say that
[1:25:49] if you put it was on the screen,
[1:25:50] there was the word if at the
[1:25:52] beginning of that sentence that
[1:25:53] was neglected to be stated,
[1:25:54] it's okay. Judd hasn't been
[1:25:56] here in a while. Maybe he was
[1:25:58] nervous, but it's. So that's
[1:26:00] all I'm saying. It's not just
[1:26:02] if your waterfront. It's if
[1:26:04] your waterfront and grant an
[1:26:07] easement. Correct. It's 7.5ft
[1:26:08] easement, then you're entitled
[1:26:11] to the far bonus to get you up
[1:26:14] to 2.0. Have you ruled out. I
[1:26:16] mean, another possibility is
[1:26:19] that that lower far was
[1:26:21] actually intended. I don't know
[1:26:25] that. So the the first goal in
[1:26:27] our master plan where we lay
[1:26:29] out like what we care about in
[1:26:31] the village, actually has a
[1:26:33] sentence that says property
[1:26:34] should be redeveloped at the
[1:26:37] lowest possible density while
[1:26:39] respecting property rights. So
[1:26:42] there was definitely part of
[1:26:44] when the village was founded
[1:26:46] that I. That's why I think, you
[1:26:48] know, a reduction to 30 units
[1:26:51] per acre was intentional. Now
[1:26:56] the.0.4 far is rather extreme
[1:26:58] when the other properties that
[1:27:00] are in this district are
[1:27:02] currently. Some of them are at
[1:27:07] already at 2.0 far. So I. To
[1:27:11] say it's a mistake or not is in
[1:27:13] the past, frankly, like we we
[1:27:14] have it in front of us to
[1:27:16] potentially change it. Jeremy.
[1:27:19] Do we have a minimum size units?
[1:27:22] We do have a provision for
[1:27:23] minimum sized units. Yes.
[1:27:26] What's our minimum? I would
[1:27:28] have to check. I would have to
[1:27:31] check 500ft. I the square feet.
[1:27:32] Yeah. I think it's I don't I
[1:27:34] don't know if we set a minimum
[1:27:36] for studios, but I believe it's,
[1:27:38] I believe it's over 500ft!S. And
[1:27:40] if they develop this with the
[1:27:43] 0.4 would give you 465. I think
[1:27:46] they said. So you say whether
[1:27:48] 0.4 was intended or not. If it
[1:27:50] was intended, it was intended
[1:27:51] to make units which would not
[1:27:55] be conforming with our code. If
[1:27:58] to maximize it, there is no
[1:27:59] guarantee that you must
[1:28:01] maximize your density on the
[1:28:02] site though. Well, but you get
[1:28:04] technical when you give
[1:28:05] somebody a zoning that says 30
[1:28:07] units day or 50, you have to
[1:28:09] assume that you don't want them
[1:28:10] to go above that, but you have
[1:28:12] to assume economically, if it
[1:28:13] makes sense, that's what
[1:28:14] they're going to do. Typically.
[1:28:17] Yes, typically. Okay. Yeah. So
[1:28:20] I mean, we have cases of
[1:28:22] buildings, even even the most
[1:28:23] recent site plan getting built
[1:28:25] below their potential maximum
[1:28:29] density though. Thank you. Can
[1:28:32] I ask just one question? Can
[1:28:35] you come to the door to me was
[1:28:37] I'm not going to speak about
[1:28:41] what was intended or not, but
[1:28:44] what is clear to me that I'm
[1:28:48] m16 has a point eight. So if it
[1:28:50] was intended, the intention was
[1:28:53] to do smaller buildings with
[1:28:55] more intensive use. Is that
[1:28:57] what I hear you saying? No, I'm
[1:29:02] just asking, that's all. No, I
[1:29:03] don't I don't think we need to
[1:29:05] get bogged down on on intent on
[1:29:08] the far it is. It stands out as
[1:29:14] being well, it stands out okay.
[1:29:21] Okay. So. Council, what is the
[1:29:24] desire? We know that we have to
[1:29:25] jump through some hoops and
[1:29:30] there's some obstacles here.
[1:29:32] MR. One, one clarification. I'm
[1:29:34] sorry. Yes. Did you say between
[1:29:35] the first and the second
[1:29:36] hearing would have to wait 28
[1:29:38] days? Can we go ahead and have
[1:29:40] a hearing on this? Can we have
[1:29:42] a workshop on it and discuss it?
[1:29:43] You have to between first and
[1:29:45] second hearing, you would need
[1:29:47] to have at least 30 days
[1:29:48] because the Comprehensive Plan
[1:29:50] amendment. But we can go ahead
[1:29:52] and move forward with a hearing.
[1:29:55] The first reading of this.
[1:29:59] There's no item for for vote
[1:30:01] today. No, I know, yeah, but
[1:30:04] can we schedule. Yeah. So so
[1:30:05] requesting a meeting for the
[1:30:07] first week of SEPTEMBER. And
[1:30:08] first, it boggles me that we
[1:30:10] had an item and then we pulled
[1:30:12] it. And that is a separate
[1:30:14] discussion. But I think we need
[1:30:15] to move forward with it. I
[1:30:17] think it would allow us an
[1:30:18] opportunity to talk about it
[1:30:19] more in detail, not consume
[1:30:21] tonight's agenda. But, you know,
[1:30:23] the requesting for this to have
[1:30:26] discussed on SEPTEMBER there, I
[1:30:28] think I don't see unless unless
[1:30:30] council has any objections to
[1:30:31] that. Can we check can we give
[1:30:33] the developer the, the
[1:30:35] knowledge that we're going to
[1:30:36] work with them and move forward
[1:30:37] with an intention to move
[1:30:39] forward, to try to come to a
[1:30:40] positive resolution so we can
[1:30:42] work on the project? I mean,
[1:30:44] sure, you can have a discussion
[1:30:45] tonight on and you can give
[1:30:48] those remarks in. To answer
[1:30:50] your question, I think really
[1:30:53] the cut off deadline, I think
[1:30:55] it would be around SEPTEMBER
[1:30:58] 10th to have a a first reading,
[1:30:59] just to give you an idea. Okay.
[1:31:02] So the decision is, I mean,
[1:31:05] what is the I would I would say
[1:31:07] either we could have it tonight
[1:31:09] or move it for the requesting
[1:31:10] for the first week of SEPTEMBER.
[1:31:13] Isn't that what you said?
[1:31:15] SEPTEMBER 10th is, is the the
[1:31:18] last date that that that would
[1:31:20] make all those 30 days, all
[1:31:22] those hoops being jumped. We
[1:31:24] also have to factor in that we
[1:31:27] have a ten day advertising
[1:31:28] requirement before the first
[1:31:30] reading. So there's a window of
[1:31:32] opportunity. I know, and it's,
[1:31:34] it's really that SEPTEMBER 10th
[1:31:36] is kind of the sweet spot, I
[1:31:39] would say, for us to work with
[1:31:41] the clerk and to work with
[1:31:43] Jeremy and the applicant to
[1:31:45] have the item ready. So are we
[1:31:48] suggesting having a special
[1:31:50] meeting to have whatever the
[1:31:52] sense of the board is?
[1:31:54] Obviously we want to do it. I,
[1:31:56] I look, I think I'll be out of
[1:31:58] town, but I think this was an
[1:31:59] important conversation. I'm
[1:32:00] happy to understand which one
[1:32:03] at a time here. I'm sorry. Say
[1:32:05] again, I'm out of town, but I
[1:32:07] can zoom in and I'm happy to do
[1:32:08] it. Okay. I'm here. I'm good.
[1:32:10] I'm available. I'm here. I have
[1:32:11] a question. There's a workshop
[1:32:13] already. We have a lot. We have
[1:32:15] a lot on. I just want to know.
[1:32:16] I'm not giving an opinion. We
[1:32:18] have a big schedule coming up
[1:32:20] with budget. We have a lot of
[1:32:21] workshops and different things
[1:32:22] going on. Can I have some idea
[1:32:25] of the layout of that? Because
[1:32:26] we can't come every single
[1:32:28] night. I can't is the workshop
[1:32:29] already? You don't have
[1:32:30] anything better? I do not, I'm
[1:32:32] not coming every time. I love
[1:32:33] the council, but I'm not coming
[1:32:34] every night. But Nancy, just so
[1:32:36] you're aware that it's 6:00 on
[1:32:38] the 10th, we already have a. So
[1:32:39] are we proposing to do it that
[1:32:42] night earlier and maybe move
[1:32:45] that meeting to to some further?
[1:32:46] Yeah. MR. Mayor, we could move
[1:32:47] that. We could move that
[1:32:48] meeting. Okay. That would be
[1:32:51] good. All right. Program to be
[1:32:53] here. So I mean, I would make a
[1:32:55] motion. We proceed to to go
[1:32:58] forward. Okay. Second. Second.
[1:33:00] All right. I think there is a
[1:33:02] consensus of council. There's
[1:33:04] no guarantee that we're going
[1:33:06] to approve anything. We're
[1:33:11] we're just providing for a a
[1:33:14] path to make sure that we give
[1:33:16] everyone an opportunity to make
[1:33:19] their case. And so it will be
[1:33:22] up to us to approve it or not
[1:33:24] approve it. And based on the
[1:33:26] evidence that you have in front
[1:33:28] of you and it becomes a a real
[1:33:30] zoning hearing at that point.
[1:33:31] Right? Is that right, MR.
[1:33:33] Attorney? Yes. So what I would
[1:33:37] i think in order to try to have
[1:33:40] second reading shortly after
[1:33:42] that, we would have to have
[1:33:43] first reading of the
[1:33:45] Comprehensive Plan Amendment,
[1:33:47] first reading of the text
[1:33:50] amendment, and probably the
[1:33:52] zoning workshop. The workshop
[1:33:56] at the same meeting. Okay, so
[1:33:58] that's SEPTEMBER after our we
[1:34:01] have a budget hearing on
[1:34:03] SEPTEMBER 8th. So so we really
[1:34:05] have a very short window there
[1:34:07] between the ninth and the 10th,
[1:34:09] right? Yeah. MR. Manager. Yes,
[1:34:12] mayor, obviously tight timeline.
[1:34:14] The attorney has mentioned it.
[1:34:15] So what I would ask, and
[1:34:16] obviously we'll do that as well
[1:34:18] directly, but I want to make
[1:34:20] sure I ask you as well that we
[1:34:21] ask the developer to show up
[1:34:22] first thing tomorrow morning.
[1:34:24] We got a tight line to turn
[1:34:26] this around. Okay. We have
[1:34:30] about a week. Consensus of
[1:34:31] council. Consensus of council.
[1:34:34] Yes. Chad, the state planning
[1:34:36] agency no longer needs to
[1:34:39] approve comp plan amendment. So
[1:34:43] the. So the state Land Plan
[1:34:44] agency or the Department of
[1:34:45] Commerce is what they're called
[1:34:50] now. They will provide their
[1:34:52] commentary. However, they are
[1:34:53] limited that they cannot object
[1:34:55] to the amendment unless it
[1:34:56] affects an important state
[1:34:59] interest. So we don't have that
[1:35:01] affecting any time yet. No, we
[1:35:03] we will. So the way that it
[1:35:06] works in practice is, is that
[1:35:07] if there's if this were to pass
[1:35:11] on first reading the next day,
[1:35:13] Jeremy will transmit it to the
[1:35:15] state, and then the state has
[1:35:19] 30 days to give their comments.
[1:35:22] Presumably, if there's no
[1:35:23] important state interest
[1:35:24] impacted that the state
[1:35:26] identifies or their agencies,
[1:35:29] then we will proceed to to
[1:35:33] second reading of the ordinance.
[1:35:35] The only state interest I can
[1:35:37] think of is lights out for bird
[1:35:42] protection right at the moment.
[1:35:43] Okay. Candles instead of
[1:35:47] electric. Yeah. Okay. So, we'll
[1:35:50] I'll have staff work with the
[1:35:52] parties and, and see if we can
[1:35:55] get it to the proper place,
[1:35:58] which would be that SEPTEMBER
[1:36:00] 1st hearing and then a
[1:36:02] potential second hearing first.
[1:36:04] No, no, no. SEPTEMBER 10th
[1:36:08] first. No, no. At the beginning
[1:36:11] of SEPTEMBER. Okay. First week,
[1:36:12] first reading. Okay. Is
[1:36:16] everybody clear? No. Okay.
[1:36:23] Right. MR. Mayor, Council
[1:36:24] members, I just want to say one
[1:36:27] more thing. I do have very
[1:36:30] clearly that that you have not
[1:36:33] said that. Of course you this
[1:36:34] was to approve the project. It
[1:36:36] was to treat it. And I'm very
[1:36:38] grateful of that. Thank you
[1:36:45] very much. Thank you. The next
[1:36:48] item, MR. Mayor, is the agenda
[1:36:55] approval deferrals. Oh. Oh,
[1:36:56] wait a minute. And we're still
[1:36:59] not finished with presentation.
[1:37:09] Okay. It's eight. Already going
[1:37:12] home. All right. Let's let's
[1:37:16] see if we can move out. We got
[1:37:23] more business here. Okay. Let's
[1:37:30] take the conversations outside.
[1:37:33] We almost had to fire you again,
[1:37:43] though. But. The next item, MR.
[1:37:46] Mayor, is the agenda. Approval.
[1:37:49] Deferrals. Additions, deletions,
[1:37:50] substitutions and withdrawals.
[1:37:55] Okay, I have some deferrals. I
[1:38:01] would I would like to defer
[1:38:02] 11b111b511b1. Yeah. Wait, just
[1:38:05] my discussion manager's report.
[1:38:07] Yeah that's wait a minute.
[1:38:09] That's a manager's report item.
[1:38:10] Yeah it's but they're my
[1:38:11] discussion items. So I'm just
[1:38:13] saying I want to take them off
[1:38:16] the. Oh okay. I'm sorry. 11 b
[1:38:19] one. And the other item 11 b
[1:38:25] five. And then on ten d. I
[1:38:28] would like to defer. And I also
[1:38:31] move that we direct the the
[1:38:34] manager to put out for bids
[1:38:35] again, which is what we're
[1:38:37] supposed to do originally
[1:38:40] before today to try and get
[1:38:42] some smaller local firms here.
[1:38:44] I would, I would second the
[1:38:45] motion on that. Okay. I'm good
[1:38:47] with that too. I was going to
[1:38:48] second as well. Okay. Excuse me.
[1:38:51] You're pulling pulling the item
[1:38:53] on this. Yeah. We're we're
[1:38:54] giving instructions to the
[1:38:58] manager to go redo, redo the
[1:39:01] various consultants pursuant to
[1:39:04] rfq. And in doing them with
[1:39:05] small firms, we're going to
[1:39:07] we're going to push for the
[1:39:08] small firms. There's one more
[1:39:10] thing you might want to suggest.
[1:39:12] Why do we have to limit anybody,
[1:39:13] anybody who wants to work with
[1:39:15] us, why do we have to limit
[1:39:16] them if they're qualified? Why
[1:39:18] do we have to have a list?
[1:39:20] We're ready to do a job. We
[1:39:21] have people ready to apply.
[1:39:22] Somebody else can apply. What
[1:39:23] do we have to have?
[1:39:24] Pre-Approved list. We have
[1:39:26] pre-approved. Fine. Why can't
[1:39:28] we take anybody else with a new
[1:39:29] job comes up if somebody wants
[1:39:34] to apply any reason not to. I
[1:39:37] think the primary reason is to
[1:39:39] have people on board so that
[1:39:41] then you can move quickly. I'm.
[1:39:42] I'm saying you have all the
[1:39:44] people on board. Anybody's
[1:39:46] applied now who meets the basic
[1:39:48] qualifications. Okay, would be
[1:39:50] accepted. But now job comes up,
[1:39:51] we're going to go build a
[1:39:53] boardwalk. I'm just making some
[1:39:55] up. And Joe Blow Engineering
[1:39:57] Company hears about it. And
[1:39:59] they want to be they want to do
[1:40:00] it and they submit their thing.
[1:40:02] We like it fine. Why can't they?
[1:40:04] Why are we going to limit
[1:40:05] ourselves? MR. Mayor? We don't
[1:40:07] limit ourselves. What this is,
[1:40:09] is to get a pre-qualified pool.
[1:40:12] We put it out so that we have
[1:40:12] consultants that we work with
[1:40:14] on a regular basis. Yeah, we
[1:40:16] don't have to use them. We can
[1:40:17] choose to go in a different
[1:40:19] direction, put out an rfq, put
[1:40:21] out an rfp and use another
[1:40:23] contractor consultant. But what
[1:40:25] this does do for us, and we've
[1:40:26] used them quite frequently,
[1:40:27] it's creates a relationship
[1:40:29] with these firms so that when
[1:40:30] we need specific things, we can
[1:40:32] turn to them and actually do
[1:40:34] the work with just a work order
[1:40:35] versus going through an entire
[1:40:37] contracting procedure. So it
[1:40:39] simplifies our work. Kind of
[1:40:41] what Ed is saying. I'm, I'm
[1:40:45] wondering why if of, of all the
[1:40:47] people or companies that apply
[1:40:50] that you are panel deems
[1:40:52] qualified, why would we not
[1:40:53] accept them? Is there a reason
[1:40:56] to only have three two. So let
[1:40:59] me let me work with you on that.
[1:41:00] Let's say there are 100. It's
[1:41:02] okay to have 100. We don't have
[1:41:04] 100. I mean, no, no, but I'm
[1:41:05] just saying, if there's just a
[1:41:07] large number, is it is it
[1:41:08] workable with a large number
[1:41:10] when you want to use them, you
[1:41:11] pick somebody. We can't. And
[1:41:12] they say fine, work with them.
[1:41:14] You don't make an agreement
[1:41:15] with them. You try somebody
[1:41:16] else. You go down the list
[1:41:18] because you can't have them bid
[1:41:19] against each other. Correct.
[1:41:20] Chad. Yeah. This cannot be this
[1:41:23] is under cna, right? That's
[1:41:25] correct. You cannot they're not
[1:41:27] allowed to bid against each
[1:41:28] other once they're as part of
[1:41:29] one, once they're part of the
[1:41:30] continuing services agreement
[1:41:33] pool. Correct. So it's who you
[1:41:35] award it to from your pool. Is
[1:41:39] that so it's the cna is a two
[1:41:41] step process. You start and you
[1:41:42] qualify based upon
[1:41:43] qualifications. You might want
[1:41:47] to tell the public what cna is.
[1:41:50] Cna is the acronym for the
[1:41:52] Consultants Competitive
[1:41:54] Negotiation Act. It's section
[1:41:56] two, 87.055. The Florida
[1:41:59] statutes. And that process
[1:42:01] dictates for certain types of
[1:42:03] professionals, engineers being
[1:42:06] one of them, that you need to
[1:42:08] go through and first qualify
[1:42:10] those professionals. Price
[1:42:12] cannot be considered during
[1:42:15] that stage. It's prohibited by
[1:42:19] law. Once you qualify the
[1:42:21] professionals, then you can
[1:42:23] negotiate price. So it's a two
[1:42:27] step process. And the once
[1:42:28] they're selected and they're
[1:42:30] part of your pool, as
[1:42:31] Councilmember London said,
[1:42:33] you're not allowed to say, oh
[1:42:36] to one company, bid this job
[1:42:38] and then go to another one, bid
[1:42:39] the same job and have them bid
[1:42:41] against each other. You just
[1:42:42] have to just bid it and then
[1:42:45] move on. But Chad, just what
[1:42:46] you said. So now we have a list
[1:42:48] of ten people for argument's
[1:42:50] sake, and we're going to build
[1:42:52] this big boardwalk we talked
[1:42:54] about. And all of a sudden
[1:42:56] somebody wants to be qualified.
[1:42:58] So they submit. Why? Why can
[1:43:00] they not submit their
[1:43:01] qualifications at that point in
[1:43:03] time? We're going to build
[1:43:06] something. Well, so the point
[1:43:09] of they can. But the point of
[1:43:12] this process is that it's fast,
[1:43:13] right? You have these people
[1:43:16] almost on call, right? Yeah.
[1:43:18] All I'm saying is that we have
[1:43:21] this list and let's say we
[1:43:22] selected everybody who applied
[1:43:24] this go around, okay? And then
[1:43:25] somebody else comes. Now we're
[1:43:27] going to do a job. And Joe Blow
[1:43:29] engineer says, hey, I'm really
[1:43:30] an expert that I heard about
[1:43:32] that I want to bid on that
[1:43:34] thing. And he submits his
[1:43:35] qualifications. Why can't we
[1:43:36] get him at that point in time?
[1:43:39] You can't do that. Why? Because
[1:43:41] that's the purpose of the the
[1:43:43] request for qualifications. And
[1:43:46] you put it out on the street to
[1:43:47] qualify x amount of firms at
[1:43:50] that time. Okay. So in your in
[1:43:51] your example, yeah, if we
[1:43:53] weren't happy with someone on
[1:43:55] our continuing services list to
[1:43:58] do the job, the boardwalk, we
[1:43:59] would the boardwalk, we would
[1:44:02] have to bid it out if it, if it
[1:44:04] was a project that, you know,
[1:44:05] met the criteria for bidding
[1:44:07] under the. Basically then we
[1:44:09] could say every time we do a
[1:44:11] job, anybody's interested can
[1:44:12] submit their qualifications,
[1:44:15] right? That would slow down the
[1:44:17] process tremendously. That's
[1:44:18] why you don't do that. That's
[1:44:20] why governments have these
[1:44:22] pools. I understand, but what
[1:44:23] it does is it limits our
[1:44:25] choices. And all of a sudden,
[1:44:26] and excuse me, and it does
[1:44:29] limit the contractors or, or
[1:44:30] engineering firms that will
[1:44:32] apply and will be selected.
[1:44:33] There's a give and take with
[1:44:36] with this with the speed of we
[1:44:38] move so slow. I don't really
[1:44:39] think it makes much difference.
[1:44:41] Well, it, I mean you're talking
[1:44:42] months between in that process.
[1:44:45] Why does it have to be months I
[1:44:47] don't you can. How long did it
[1:44:48] take for this process? I don't
[1:44:50] know, I believe we started in
[1:44:53] MAY. Didn't we have the same
[1:44:55] problem with, with with the,
[1:44:57] with with git of course we
[1:44:58] wanted them to do it. They
[1:45:00] weren't on the list then. We
[1:45:01] had we had to resolve that
[1:45:03] issue. Yeah. But and we, we bid
[1:45:06] it and it and it took time,
[1:45:08] which is why six months, I
[1:45:09] didn't take six months, but it
[1:45:11] took it was not necessary to
[1:45:13] wait six months like we did. So
[1:45:16] we got to move. Yeah. Yeah. So
[1:45:19] everybody is good with. No, no
[1:45:21] we're not we're giving
[1:45:24] direction. Yes to to come back
[1:45:25] more small firms. Yeah. With,
[1:45:29] with an, with an rfq that would
[1:45:32] be pushing for the smaller
[1:45:33] firms and also maybe another
[1:45:35] come back also with another
[1:45:37] method for selection committee.
[1:45:39] Because what they did this time
[1:45:41] to me says we need something
[1:45:42] different. That's all. All
[1:45:43] right. You got it. I'm sorry.
[1:45:46] Can you repeat the amendment?
[1:45:48] Selection committee investigate.
[1:45:50] So mayor mayor. So so I
[1:45:51] understand is so we want to
[1:45:54] cancel this current one out and
[1:45:55] and start over and then start a
[1:45:57] new process. Make small to
[1:46:01] medium size companies. Anybody
[1:46:03] want to do a benefit to it,
[1:46:06] give them benefit and then come
[1:46:08] back with some recommendations.
[1:46:10] Okay. Local presence as well.
[1:46:13] Local. All those in favor? Aye
[1:46:18] aye. Opposed. Motion carries.
[1:46:20] Okay. On the agenda. Are there
[1:46:23] any other amendments to the
[1:46:24] agenda. You're still deferring
[1:46:27] ten d now that we've direction.
[1:46:31] Yes. Yes. Consent agenda. No
[1:46:33] we're all those in favor of the
[1:46:36] agenda changes I, I thank you
[1:46:39] opposed. Thank you. The next
[1:46:42] item is the consent agenda.
[1:46:44] Hold on a minute. We we have
[1:46:49] some presentations. I apologize,
[1:46:51] MR. Sulu, are you here? Yes.
[1:46:54] MR. DeSouza, is there. There's
[1:46:56] two. MR. How can you MISS Him?
[1:46:58] Oh, GOD. There's double trouble.
[1:47:03] Double trouble. All right. I
[1:47:05] this was happening, but MR.
[1:47:07] Mayor just wanted to. Just a
[1:47:10] quick privilege, please. I just
[1:47:11] I just want to say to Robert
[1:47:13] that a couple of months ago I
[1:47:15] ran into into Derek and I asked
[1:47:18] him about the academy, and he
[1:47:19] was telling me he was coming up
[1:47:22] in 30 years. And this for me is
[1:47:24] deeply personal. You MAY not
[1:47:25] know, but my daughter was it
[1:47:27] was a time when she was growing
[1:47:28] up. She was going through a
[1:47:30] hard time, you know, and I
[1:47:32] brought her to the academy and,
[1:47:35] and your, your your group
[1:47:36] really helped to bring her
[1:47:39] confidence back and really got
[1:47:41] her on her way. And I know
[1:47:43] you've done a lot for a lot of
[1:47:44] families of that incubus gain.
[1:47:46] So to me, it was very, it was
[1:47:47] very special. And I want to
[1:47:49] thank you for all. Everything
[1:47:50] that you do for our community.
[1:47:52] As a father. I want to thank
[1:47:53] you for your done for my
[1:47:54] daughter. Even though after
[1:47:56] yellow belt she went on to
[1:47:58] fashion still. But I want to
[1:47:59] thank you for that. Thank you,
[1:48:01] thank you, thank you sir. Let
[1:48:02] me read a couple lines here.
[1:48:05] Whereas over the past 30 years,
[1:48:07] thousands of students have
[1:48:09] trained at the academy.
[1:48:10] Hundreds have earned black
[1:48:11] belts and generations of Key
[1:48:13] Biscayne families have
[1:48:16] benefited from its emphasis on
[1:48:19] personal growth, self-control,
[1:48:21] humility, hard work, and
[1:48:23] community values. Whereas
[1:48:25] Sensei Robert Zulu and a
[1:48:28] Martial Arts Hall of Fame
[1:48:31] inductee. Okay, 10th degree
[1:48:33] Black Belt educator, author,
[1:48:35] entrepreneur, and community
[1:48:37] leader has dedicated his career
[1:48:39] to mentoring young people and
[1:48:42] adults alike and helping them
[1:48:43] develop the skills the
[1:48:45] character necessary to succeed
[1:48:48] in life. And whereas today, the
[1:48:50] Academy of Martial Arts remains
[1:48:53] a family legacy, and whereas
[1:48:54] the Key Biscayne has evolved
[1:48:56] over the last three decades,
[1:48:58] the Academy has remained a
[1:49:00] constant presence, helping
[1:49:02] shape the character of our
[1:49:04] community and providing a
[1:49:05] positive environment where
[1:49:08] children become leaders, adults
[1:49:11] build confidence and lifelong
[1:49:13] friendships. Now, therefore, I
[1:49:14] Joy Rascoe, mayor of the
[1:49:16] village of Key Biscayne, do
[1:49:18] hereby issue this proclamation
[1:49:22] in recognition of the 30th
[1:49:23] anniversary of the Academy of
[1:49:36] Martial Arts. Hey! I have a
[1:49:43] soccer speech. No. Okay. Okay.
[1:49:45] I just have to tell you. You
[1:49:47] know, I. Look, I'm going to be
[1:49:49] presenting tonight and and Joe
[1:49:50] Rascoe, and we're going to make
[1:49:54] it work. And and, and, and, and
[1:49:58] our, our our mayor, our past
[1:49:59] Mayor Kaplan and, and, and
[1:50:01] Brett and everybody's been so
[1:50:03] supportive of the, of the
[1:50:05] Academy. It's been great having
[1:50:07] a business here. It's been
[1:50:08] great bringing my family here.
[1:50:12] My son's here. He's. And I just
[1:50:14] very grateful for this village
[1:50:15] and how they have welcomed us
[1:50:16] and helped us build here. So
[1:50:18] thank you very much, i
[1:50:26] appreciate it. All right. Get
[1:50:29] get get to work. E MR. Mayor,
[1:50:30] just a quick thing. I need to
[1:50:31] say this for the record and
[1:50:33] make sure the clerk is aware
[1:50:34] that I recused myself from that
[1:50:36] discussion. The cna, I know, I
[1:50:37] know was brought up as a
[1:50:39] deferral, and all of a sudden
[1:50:40] it became a vote quickly, but
[1:50:42] it needs to be registered. I
[1:50:43] already filled out the form
[1:50:45] back in JUNE on that. It was
[1:50:46] just everything was packaged
[1:50:48] into one. So I just want to
[1:50:49] make sure I put that for the
[1:50:51] record. Thank you. Okay. Am I
[1:50:53] driving this or how does this
[1:50:56] work? Thank you. So just press
[1:50:58] it. Okay, great. Okay. So hi,
[1:51:00] my name is Robert. I am the
[1:51:02] chair of the Educational
[1:51:05] Advisory Board. I'm glad to see
[1:51:07] that several of my board
[1:51:10] members are here, including our
[1:51:13] new candidate for council, our
[1:51:15] principal Tarafa. She's here.
[1:51:17] So thank you for everybody's
[1:51:19] here to support what we're
[1:51:21] going to be talking about. So
[1:51:23] if you notice, my first slide
[1:51:25] is the greatest asset. You know,
[1:51:27] I'm here not just as behalf of
[1:51:29] the Educational Advisory Board,
[1:51:31] but we have done a tremendous
[1:51:34] amount of of communication and
[1:51:36] working with the community. We
[1:51:42] did. Village, a full survey
[1:51:44] that many of the parents were
[1:51:46] involved in. We also had a, a
[1:51:48] teacher survey. We had a deep
[1:51:49] analysis of what the results
[1:51:51] for the survey were. We have a
[1:51:54] very, very engaged ptsa. We've
[1:51:56] been talking to the district.
[1:51:57] We've been talking to the
[1:51:58] Leadership at the school. So
[1:52:00] this is not just several people
[1:52:02] that came up with a couple
[1:52:03] ideas. The whole community
[1:52:07] surged forward in order to for
[1:52:08] you to hear the words that I'm
[1:52:10] going to be saying. And that's
[1:52:12] what's behind this presentation.
[1:52:15] So I just wanted to clarify
[1:52:17] that. So first slide, I think I
[1:52:19] do this right. Yes. You told me
[1:52:21] how to do it. Oh, here we go.
[1:52:23] Okay, so we have the tale of
[1:52:26] two schools. We have a very
[1:52:29] successful school. And in our
[1:52:30] school with our elementary
[1:52:33] school, it is well attended. It
[1:52:35] covers about 80% of our
[1:52:37] population of that age. The
[1:52:39] grades, as you can see in the
[1:52:40] slides, the grades, the
[1:52:43] performance are great and there
[1:52:46] are rising. The it is an a
[1:52:47] school, but we want to do
[1:52:49] better. We're ranked pretty
[1:52:51] high as far as the county's
[1:52:53] concerned. And typically the
[1:52:56] results of that elementary
[1:52:57] education. We're getting great
[1:52:59] feedbacks from the kids that go
[1:53:01] to other programs. However, if
[1:53:04] you notice our grades here for
[1:53:07] the middle school are really
[1:53:10] terrible. So something's wrong
[1:53:11] there and we just have to
[1:53:13] figure out it's very peculiar.
[1:53:16] That's the same school, the
[1:53:18] same teachers, the same
[1:53:20] administration. What happens?
[1:53:22] Why is this sudden drop in
[1:53:23] performance for our middle
[1:53:26] school? Next slide here. Okay,
[1:53:28] good. And you can see what
[1:53:30] happens with our this tells how
[1:53:32] many students are in each grade.
[1:53:34] And as soon as we get to sixth
[1:53:36] grade, the whole thing drops,
[1:53:39] the bottom drops out, and
[1:53:41] everybody exoduses off mostly
[1:53:44] to mass. So it's the the
[1:53:45] parents are not choosing to
[1:53:47] leave public education. They're
[1:53:50] just choosing to leave this
[1:53:52] particular school. So there's
[1:53:53] something something's wrong
[1:53:56] here. So that's what concerned
[1:53:59] us. First, we agreed the
[1:54:00] committee agreed to support the
[1:54:02] elementary school and push them
[1:54:04] to excel even further. But boy,
[1:54:07] we had a very dangerous
[1:54:08] situation because we're looking
[1:54:10] at this school as a. And I
[1:54:12] thought, I think we called it a
[1:54:16] spiral death thing that was
[1:54:17] happening. So let's see. Next
[1:54:19] slide. Okay. Why does this
[1:54:22] happen? Funding in this state
[1:54:25] follows population enrollment.
[1:54:26] This is really the end of it.
[1:54:28] So if you don't have the
[1:54:29] enrollment, the funding
[1:54:30] disappears. If the funding
[1:54:31] disappears, the programing,
[1:54:33] everything just starts to fall
[1:54:35] apart terribly. And so we have
[1:54:37] to look at that. We, we, we're
[1:54:39] very concerned about that next.
[1:54:44] Okay. So what we what we think.
[1:54:45] And it's not just us, but what
[1:54:48] we think is in order to look at
[1:54:50] this is to look at the pipeline.
[1:54:52] What happens to the students.
[1:54:53] They're all going to mass. Most
[1:54:56] of them are going to mass. So
[1:54:58] we have to look at the pipeline
[1:54:59] and we have a decision to make
[1:55:02] because if we don't take action,
[1:55:05] the school is going to die. And
[1:55:06] I've heard of things that they
[1:55:08] would close it down within
[1:55:12] months. So the question was, do
[1:55:14] we want to lose our middle
[1:55:17] school? Is that what we want?
[1:55:19] Let's just close it. Who can
[1:55:21] goes to mass and that's it. And
[1:55:23] we and we'll just concentrate
[1:55:25] on the on the elementary school.
[1:55:28] And after a lot of great
[1:55:30] thought and involvement with
[1:55:32] the community, the goal is not
[1:55:34] to just let it die. Let's,
[1:55:37] let's really make a colossal
[1:55:39] effort to see what we can do to
[1:55:41] save it. Okay, so that's what
[1:55:43] we're going to be discussing
[1:55:46] today. Our first ask is right
[1:55:47] down there on the bottom of the
[1:55:49] slide, and I'll come back to
[1:55:52] that real quick at the end,
[1:55:53] which is to work with the
[1:55:55] district to see about the
[1:55:56] pipeline, because right now all
[1:55:58] our students are leaving for
[1:56:00] mass and, and we end up, we end
[1:56:02] up with a dying school. So we
[1:56:05] are just slightly adjust that
[1:56:06] we have an opportunity to get
[1:56:08] some population to get some
[1:56:10] funding back, to really create
[1:56:13] the same exact excitement and
[1:56:14] success that we have at the
[1:56:16] elementary level. Okay. So
[1:56:18] that's, that's what the goal is
[1:56:22] here next. Okay. So the, the
[1:56:23] investment, it's going to cost
[1:56:26] money. I mean, you know,
[1:56:27] nationally, we're ranked at the
[1:56:29] bottom regarding how much we
[1:56:31] invest in our teachers and our
[1:56:32] students. We're at the very,
[1:56:35] very bottom or the top two
[1:56:37] bottom of how we invest in. So
[1:56:39] it takes money, but a lot of
[1:56:41] the funding does come when you
[1:56:42] have enrollment and that goes
[1:56:43] up. We have to help though,
[1:56:49] right? So next, we have had a
[1:56:50] tremendous amount of help from
[1:56:53] the council and also from the
[1:56:54] community and also from the
[1:56:56] ptsa. And we started since we
[1:56:59] started just recently, we've
[1:57:00] been able to accomplish a lot
[1:57:02] of things. We have a new
[1:57:03] computer lab. We've taken all
[1:57:04] the old computers and updated
[1:57:06] them. We actually had a
[1:57:08] resident that came forth with a
[1:57:10] $12,000 check in order to help
[1:57:12] with the computers. The Stem
[1:57:14] lab is reviving. There's a
[1:57:16] brand new communications
[1:57:17] program that has been brought
[1:57:20] in by the district. There's new
[1:57:23] fields, new scoreboard, new new
[1:57:25] branding. Our new principal,
[1:57:28] which she's incredible. She
[1:57:30] she's getting an excitement
[1:57:32] going. In fact, just this week,
[1:57:34] she was in a dunk tank while
[1:57:36] they were trying to raise money
[1:57:37] for the school that night. They
[1:57:40] raised $11,000. Most of it was
[1:57:41] because people wanted to dunk
[1:57:44] her. So she is popular. So all
[1:57:47] right. Next. All right. This is
[1:57:50] a plan that has come together
[1:57:53] not just by a few people's
[1:57:55] opinion. This is after a great
[1:58:02] deal of work with the survey,
[1:58:05] with a deep members of the
[1:58:07] board, also by the ptsa, by the
[1:58:09] district, by the teachers, and
[1:58:11] so on to create a plan. How can
[1:58:16] we affect the growth and
[1:58:17] improvement of the school? How
[1:58:19] do we go from a to a plus with
[1:58:21] the elementary? How do we get
[1:58:23] the the middle school from the
[1:58:26] death spiral? Okay, you don't
[1:58:28] have to look at all the crazy
[1:58:30] numbers because it's going to
[1:58:31] take a while for you to
[1:58:32] understand this list. So I
[1:58:34] don't want to go item by item.
[1:58:36] What I do want you to take a
[1:58:38] look at is that the bottom that
[1:58:39] the the whole plan, the first
[1:58:43] stage is that $635,000 that I'm
[1:58:44] going to ask you for all
[1:58:46] tonight. No, I'm kidding. Not
[1:58:47] all of it. I have some
[1:58:49] solutions for you. So don't
[1:58:51] don't think I'm going to ask
[1:58:52] you for the whole entire map.
[1:58:54] We're going to dunk Ed. Excuse
[1:58:55] me. We're going to dunk Ed.
[1:59:00] Yeah, yeah. Yes. Okay. So we
[1:59:02] got for the first stage of this
[1:59:04] plan. Listen, if you want a
[1:59:06] high quality school, it's not
[1:59:07] enough just to fund it with
[1:59:09] what the state and what the
[1:59:10] county brings you. You got to
[1:59:11] do more. And there's a couple
[1:59:13] of schools in our district that
[1:59:16] are raising $1 million a year.
[1:59:17] Apart from the taxes, I know
[1:59:19] about 46% of our real estate
[1:59:21] taxes go into the school, but
[1:59:23] it's just not enough. It's just
[1:59:25] not enough. So how do we do it?
[1:59:28] So number one, this is what the
[1:59:31] ptsa has agreed to raise this
[1:59:34] year. They've tripled, almost
[1:59:36] tripled what their fundraising.
[1:59:38] The community is very excited
[1:59:39] about this. They've almost
[1:59:40] tripled the amount of money
[1:59:41] that they're raising, and
[1:59:43] they're on their way to do that.
[1:59:45] And so out of that 600 already,
[1:59:48] they've committed to raise
[1:59:51] 324,000, which is terrific.
[1:59:55] Number next, if you look at the
[1:59:57] there's a bottom number there,
[1:59:58] playground replacement and
[2:00:02] outdoor spaces, $170,000. The
[2:00:03] district has committed to doing
[2:00:06] some of that, plus some of the
[2:00:08] programing and that that you
[2:00:10] see numbers up there,
[2:00:11] everything that you see in
[2:00:14] yellow. The ptsa said, count me
[2:00:15] in. I want to help with that.
[2:00:17] All right. So so we're not
[2:00:19] alone looking at that huge
[2:00:21] number. Right. And, and, and
[2:00:23] guess the number. I think it's
[2:00:25] one of the number when you want
[2:00:26] to move into new community, the
[2:00:28] first thing you say are the
[2:00:30] schools. That's the first thing
[2:00:33] you look at how the schools and
[2:00:34] then obviously here, how the
[2:00:35] beaches, you know, and how's
[2:00:37] the how's the management, how's
[2:00:38] the taxes? How's that? But the
[2:00:40] number one thing is how the
[2:00:41] schools. So we really have to,
[2:00:43] to keep that in mind and how we
[2:00:45] invest and look at it and work
[2:00:49] towards it. Okay, so there's
[2:00:51] two asks, number one, which
[2:00:52] we've already had three
[2:00:55] meetings with the district. We
[2:00:57] want the council to support our
[2:00:59] efforts to talk to the district
[2:01:02] to see if we can adjust the
[2:01:03] numbers, so they don't take our
[2:01:05] whole population of our middle
[2:01:07] school. So there's some
[2:01:09] adjustments that they would
[2:01:12] leave. We we work on building
[2:01:15] two very, very good middle
[2:01:17] schools. Which one is mast,
[2:01:17] obviously, and then the other
[2:01:19] one would be k through eight.
[2:01:21] So we're asking the council to
[2:01:24] support our continued efforts
[2:01:26] to work with the districts to
[2:01:28] adjust those numbers. The idea
[2:01:30] would be to increase the slots
[2:01:32] for high school. For Key
[2:01:33] Biscayne, the high school
[2:01:35] numbers would stay the same.
[2:01:36] They're not going to be touched,
[2:01:38] right? No. No. Yeah. 11 was
[2:01:41] increase. The 1100 totality
[2:01:42] stays the same. Yes. But yes,
[2:01:44] to answer your question, yes.
[2:01:46] You still want slots to be
[2:01:47] available for kids coming out
[2:01:49] of the gate? Yes, yes. So
[2:01:50] that's a very delicate that's
[2:01:51] got to be done just right. So
[2:01:53] kids that are remaining in
[2:01:54] sixth grade, seventh and eighth
[2:01:56] grade, is that because they
[2:01:57] can't get into mass. There's no
[2:01:59] space available. Some. Is there
[2:02:00] is there an entry requirement
[2:02:03] for mass. Yes. So they're I'm
[2:02:05] just thinking why all of a
[2:02:06] sudden we'd have all these low
[2:02:08] scores for reading, math and
[2:02:10] science, unless the people who
[2:02:12] aren't getting in probably are
[2:02:13] the ones holding the numbers
[2:02:17] down for the fifth grade.
[2:02:18] Absolutely. That's one of the
[2:02:20] reasons. Yes. So therefore, by
[2:02:21] doing what you're doing is
[2:02:22] really I don't see how that's
[2:02:23] really going to boost those
[2:02:25] numbers up. I think again,
[2:02:26] either you're going to have
[2:02:28] more people going from sixth
[2:02:30] grade or seventh, staying in
[2:02:31] the middle school, in our
[2:02:33] school, or they don't. You're
[2:02:35] not going to be able to do that.
[2:02:36] I mean, these kids can't blame
[2:02:38] them for not doing well because
[2:02:39] maybe they just can't do well.
[2:02:41] Right. Well, the the problem is
[2:02:45] because of our reduced
[2:02:46] population, we have reduced
[2:02:48] funding, which we have a
[2:02:50] reduced offer. I understand
[2:02:51] that, but the point is that's
[2:02:53] would that make somebody score
[2:02:54] better in math or reading? In
[2:02:56] science, if the programing is
[2:02:59] good enough, they'll stay. Okay.
[2:03:01] So you're saying ones that are
[2:03:03] going to mass will stay instead
[2:03:04] of going to mass, some will
[2:03:06] stay here. Well, not all of
[2:03:08] them will get in. I mean, isn't
[2:03:09] mass like, hey, this is the
[2:03:11] place to be. This is a great
[2:03:12] place. Yes, yes. When everybody
[2:03:14] still really want and the
[2:03:15] parents want, they really want
[2:03:16] to put their kids in masks. Not,
[2:03:20] not always, not always, not all.
[2:03:22] First of all, you have
[2:03:23] proximity. So I don't have to
[2:03:27] take my kid a, b. I don't want
[2:03:28] my junior high school kid
[2:03:31] mixing with high school level
[2:03:35] thinking, okay, three they are
[2:03:38] we we're much better at special
[2:03:40] needs or special education
[2:03:42] aspects that they cannot be.
[2:03:44] There's no none of that service
[2:03:46] at all at mass. Okay, so we're
[2:03:49] strong in that. And I think the
[2:03:50] failure has been that the
[2:03:52] programing has not kept up many
[2:03:54] of these programs. The good
[2:03:56] ones are that when you get
[2:03:57] through middle school, by the
[2:03:59] time you're done, you've
[2:04:00] already have several credits in
[2:04:02] your high school and so on.
[2:04:03] With the high school. When you
[2:04:05] get to college, you've already
[2:04:07] finished your first year in
[2:04:09] college, so we don't have that
[2:04:11] availability. Mass does, and if
[2:04:13] we create that, then we could.
[2:04:14] Those parents that want the
[2:04:16] kids to stay, that want the
[2:04:17] proximity, that want the bike
[2:04:20] ride, that want the special
[2:04:23] because there's some. Or the
[2:04:24] special or the special needs
[2:04:26] more focused in the, in the, in
[2:04:29] the middle school, the kids
[2:04:30] with special needs or, or
[2:04:32] dyslexia or whatever they
[2:04:33] happen to be learning
[2:04:35] disabilities or no, it's, it's
[2:04:36] not special. No, it's, it's,
[2:04:38] it's across the board. I mean,
[2:04:39] you know, that's what we're
[2:04:40] trying to do some of that. And
[2:04:42] there is some of that. And if
[2:04:44] you look at some of the funding,
[2:04:46] like I said, I don't want to
[2:04:47] get into the weeds right now.
[2:04:50] Okay. So all right. So I didn't
[2:04:51] answer your question. Did I
[2:04:53] know? It seems like to me
[2:04:55] you're trying to keep school
[2:04:56] going for people who really
[2:04:57] don't want to be there, really
[2:04:59] want to be in mass, but they
[2:05:01] can't get in mass at this point.
[2:05:02] So that's why they're there. No,
[2:05:05] no, that's not the case. No. So
[2:05:06] I'm going to lean a little bit
[2:05:08] on you, Frank, so we can go
[2:05:09] through a little historical.
[2:05:12] Yeah, we did a good thing at a
[2:05:14] time where we signed the
[2:05:17] compact in the ila to expand
[2:05:20] mass. We had overcrowding mass
[2:05:22] also was looking for expansion.
[2:05:24] We then partnered with them. We
[2:05:25] created middle school there. We
[2:05:27] created 1100 seats that were
[2:05:28] effectively split almost in
[2:05:31] half, practically about 150
[2:05:33] seats per grade. Those seats
[2:05:35] have stayed remain static
[2:05:37] throughout the last 12 years.
[2:05:39] Never been looked at again
[2:05:40] depending on what the
[2:05:42] population was. At the same
[2:05:44] time, mass was going through a,
[2:05:46] let's call it a heyday of
[2:05:48] promoting itself as a rigorous
[2:05:50] school, and the perception was
[2:05:52] the only way to solidify your
[2:05:54] place in mass in high school
[2:05:56] was to get in early, meaning
[2:05:59] leave this school early to get
[2:06:01] early, and then be able to stay
[2:06:04] and remain. That created a mass
[2:06:05] exodus of which we've
[2:06:07] effectively never recovered
[2:06:08] from. So along with that,
[2:06:10] exodus went funding. Along with
[2:06:12] that funding went support and
[2:06:14] went programing because the
[2:06:16] children took off thinking the
[2:06:18] only way to get into mass high
[2:06:20] school, which also offered
[2:06:22] proximity, a high school with
[2:06:23] proximity, which, if you ask
[2:06:26] most parents, will tell you
[2:06:27] anecdotally. Speaking of 30
[2:06:29] parents that I've spoken to,
[2:06:30] many of them didn't apply
[2:06:32] anywhere else simply because
[2:06:33] they wanted their children to
[2:06:35] stay close. Right? So this
[2:06:37] created this downward spiral of
[2:06:38] which we've never really
[2:06:39] recovered from. Sylvia, I think,
[2:06:41] was involved in the beginning
[2:06:45] of that change. And so it
[2:06:46] creates this chicken and egg.
[2:06:48] How do we get better programing
[2:06:50] to create a strong middle
[2:06:52] school? If we don't get the
[2:06:53] enrollment, we can't get the
[2:06:54] enrollment without programing.
[2:06:55] We can't get programing without
[2:06:56] enrollment. Then we don't get
[2:06:58] money. Back to my original
[2:07:00] thing. So when you talk about
[2:07:01] scores, you mentioned scores.
[2:07:03] You'll notice in the line items
[2:07:05] there is investment for
[2:07:06] intervention, early
[2:07:07] intervention, math and science,
[2:07:09] which both make a huge effect.
[2:07:10] And I think maybe MR. Raffa
[2:07:12] could speak a little bit more
[2:07:13] to that because she's more of
[2:07:15] an educator than I am. I think
[2:07:18] what's always lacked is this
[2:07:19] opportunity for everyone to row
[2:07:22] in the same direction. And so
[2:07:24] we have an incredible eab that
[2:07:26] then took a survey, went to the
[2:07:28] parents and asked very detailed,
[2:07:29] what would they like to see?
[2:07:31] Number one, do they want to
[2:07:32] remain in the school? The
[2:07:33] answer emphatically is
[2:07:35] absolutely. I happen to be one.
[2:07:36] I have a fifth grader. I would
[2:07:38] love my child to stay here and
[2:07:40] walk that my child to school.
[2:07:41] Throughout middle school, my
[2:07:42] first child. I chose not to
[2:07:43] leave here. Why? Because there
[2:07:45] was a better option. Carver.
[2:07:46] Better programing, more
[2:07:48] rigorous, more preparing them
[2:07:50] for success in some future. So
[2:07:51] since then, what we've been
[2:07:53] doing is just looking and
[2:07:54] studying, talking to the
[2:07:56] administration, the district to
[2:07:57] understand and the families,
[2:07:59] what do they want to see in
[2:08:00] their middle school? Number one,
[2:08:02] they want proximity for sure.
[2:08:02] They want to keep their
[2:08:04] children here, but they want
[2:08:06] programing to very specific
[2:08:07] programing, which is made up in
[2:08:09] this list that's been created
[2:08:11] out of a master plan that has
[2:08:12] been made in unison in
[2:08:13] collaboration with the eab,
[2:08:15] with the survey, with the
[2:08:16] families, with the
[2:08:17] administration, and with the
[2:08:19] district of which for the first
[2:08:20] time I've seen since I've been
[2:08:22] involved in the education,
[2:08:23] everybody's rowing in the same
[2:08:25] direction. Furthermore, there's
[2:08:27] a problem in mass to which we
[2:08:29] don't talk a lot about where
[2:08:30] they have a wait list of almost
[2:08:32] 500 students. And so they're
[2:08:33] having an issue as well, where
[2:08:34] they have students that want to
[2:08:36] get into the school. But
[2:08:37] because of the allocation, the
[2:08:39] way it's set up for us, they
[2:08:40] can't because those are our
[2:08:44] seats. So the ask here is
[2:08:47] twofold. We can't require a
[2:08:49] reallocation of seats to focus
[2:08:50] on high school and middle
[2:08:53] school unless we give them the
[2:08:55] families a rigorous alternative,
[2:08:56] of which they can still get
[2:08:58] great education, but still
[2:09:00] ensure that they can get in at
[2:09:01] a second entry point, which is
[2:09:03] ninth grade. So the ask is
[2:09:04] twofold. Number one, look at an
[2:09:06] Ela that nobody's ever looked
[2:09:08] at for the last 12 years to see
[2:09:10] what is that rebalancing of
[2:09:11] that reallocation look like.
[2:09:13] And number two, that investment
[2:09:16] that will kick start this
[2:09:17] ability to get some programing,
[2:09:19] to get parents to actually want
[2:09:20] to stay because the programing
[2:09:22] is rigorous. So a couple of
[2:09:23] things have happened that have
[2:09:26] helped us. Number one, in order
[2:09:28] to secure success in high
[2:09:31] school, you want to career path
[2:09:32] the child to make sure that
[2:09:34] their next step from here is
[2:09:36] successful into a program like
[2:09:38] Mast. So we just received a new
[2:09:40] ap assistant principal, happens
[2:09:42] to be an ap that came from mast.
[2:09:44] His own words were one of the
[2:09:45] biggest reasons people come to
[2:09:46] mast is because children in
[2:09:48] middle school can receive high
[2:09:50] school credits. Through our
[2:09:52] program, we've already
[2:09:53] initiated that same program.
[2:09:55] And actually they can they can
[2:09:56] receive more high school
[2:09:57] credits in the program. They're
[2:09:59] about to launch here at the
[2:10:00] middle school than even at the
[2:10:02] Mast Middle school. The
[2:10:03] district has come forward and
[2:10:04] said, we are even looking at
[2:10:05] possible now, adding some maybe
[2:10:07] dual enrollment opportunities.
[2:10:08] Et cetera. Et cetera. So the
[2:10:11] programing is starting. When we
[2:10:12] went to the district, we
[2:10:14] weren't sure what we were going
[2:10:16] to get as far as what are some
[2:10:18] of the ideas. But we went and
[2:10:19] told them that our families
[2:10:20] want to keep their middle
[2:10:21] school. Everybody wants to keep
[2:10:23] their middle school. That's all
[2:10:24] they really needed to hear, to
[2:10:25] get the motivation to really
[2:10:28] want to help. We have a pta,
[2:10:30] just anecdotally, that over the
[2:10:33] last three years has raised
[2:10:34] between 140 and $150,000 every
[2:10:35] year annually. This pta is
[2:10:38] committed to 325,000. They just
[2:10:40] put in they just put together a
[2:10:42] first annual event, a community
[2:10:44] event that we've never done. It
[2:10:45] was probably the single largest
[2:10:46] event that's ever happened at
[2:10:48] the Ccbc. Thousands of children,
[2:10:51] they were able to raise $11,000
[2:10:55] just from a dunk tank and food.
[2:10:56] So they were offering hot dogs.
[2:10:58] And the idea was to introduce
[2:11:00] in two hours, in two hours. So
[2:11:02] the idea was to introduce this
[2:11:04] community to what we have, what
[2:11:08] the school is. And so, you know,
[2:11:10] I came to this island, and one
[2:11:12] thing I can say is that we're
[2:11:14] surrounded by exceptionalism.
[2:11:16] This is no different. This is
[2:11:17] something I've never seen
[2:11:19] before in the eight years that
[2:11:21] I've been working on education
[2:11:23] or trying to better it for my
[2:11:26] kids, for kids in general, the
[2:11:28] momentum we have is incredible.
[2:11:31] Our chairs doing a great job. I
[2:11:32] think this is a real
[2:11:33] opportunity. Now. It MAY be the
[2:11:36] last ditch effort to really
[2:11:37] turn this school much better
[2:11:39] than just good enough. This
[2:11:40] could be an exceptional school.
[2:11:42] The elementary is great and the
[2:11:44] funnel is growing every day.
[2:11:46] Five years ago we had one pre-k,
[2:11:49] four class. We have three pre-k,
[2:11:51] four classes. There's even
[2:11:52] conversation about creating a
[2:11:55] pre-k three. So the funnel is
[2:11:57] healthy. We actually have an
[2:12:01] opportunity here to turn this
[2:12:02] narrative that public schools
[2:12:06] are slowly dying. Maybe public
[2:12:08] schools, but not our community
[2:12:09] school. And everybody's getting
[2:12:12] on board and the energy is
[2:12:15] palpable. And I think that what
[2:12:17] Robert's helped us do, I think
[2:12:18] what Sylvia's on the eib as
[2:12:20] well. We have an incredible eab.
[2:12:22] The administration is great.
[2:12:23] Our principal got into the dunk
[2:12:26] tank. I mean, they're all
[2:12:28] working together. Everybody's
[2:12:29] rowing in the same direction.
[2:12:32] So the ask is not money
[2:12:33] necessarily. It's just this
[2:12:35] council to make a stand and say,
[2:12:37] we want to stand for our middle
[2:12:38] school. We want to stand for
[2:12:40] our k-8. We don't want to lose
[2:12:41] our k, and we're going to
[2:12:43] support it in every way, any
[2:12:44] way we can. My question is,
[2:12:46] have you done a survey to find
[2:12:48] out of these people who are in
[2:12:49] the six who have stayed here,
[2:12:51] who've not gone to mass, if
[2:12:52] they could go to mass, would
[2:12:54] they want to go to mass today?
[2:12:56] Yes. You've done that survey.
[2:12:57] Yes people do. The answer is
[2:12:59] yes, because there's a waitlist.
[2:13:00] And actually two children just
[2:13:02] left k-8 to go to mass. So in
[2:13:03] other words, the only reason
[2:13:05] they're here is because they
[2:13:07] can't get into mass today. Yes.
[2:13:09] Yesterday. Yes. Okay. Tomorrow.
[2:13:11] No, that was not the case.
[2:13:13] Historically. No. You said it's
[2:13:16] not the case. I don't think so.
[2:13:17] I think to ask the people to
[2:13:20] find out. I think we have. One
[2:13:21] thing that changed was that's
[2:13:23] why I answered so confidently.
[2:13:24] That turned out to be more
[2:13:25] successful than it might have
[2:13:28] been envisioned 13 years ago.
[2:13:29] But the other was anxiety about
[2:13:32] getting into mass. And if you
[2:13:33] didn't take advantage of that
[2:13:35] middle school slot, yep, you
[2:13:37] weren't going to get into high
[2:13:39] school. But no one's talking
[2:13:42] about the other issue, which we
[2:13:43] really can't debate tonight.
[2:13:45] But the the stipend that you
[2:13:46] get for going to private school,
[2:13:48] going to Saint Agnes, going to
[2:13:49] some of the other schools. So
[2:13:50] the reduced enrollment across
[2:13:52] the district is something real
[2:13:54] it's causing for sure, for sure.
[2:13:56] You know, but I will tell you,
[2:13:57] we use every single one of our
[2:14:00] 1100 seats, so there's no lack
[2:14:02] of students to actually fill
[2:14:05] both programs. What there is,
[2:14:07] is there's lack of programing
[2:14:09] and support yesterday. Not
[2:14:12] today, not tomorrow. As long as
[2:14:13] we have the chair and the ab
[2:14:15] working and continuing to do
[2:14:16] the work that they're doing
[2:14:18] with the council's help, I
[2:14:20] think these asks are really a
[2:14:23] continuation of our commitments,
[2:14:25] plural, that have persisted for
[2:14:28] a long time. And I personally
[2:14:29] am invested in what you're
[2:14:31] trying to achieve, and I'll
[2:14:33] continue to support and thank
[2:14:35] you. I think these are
[2:14:38] essential ideas, not good ideas.
[2:14:40] They're essential ideas. So all
[2:14:42] right, let's bring this to a
[2:14:45] landing. Okay, so very simple.
[2:14:46] We're continuing to talk with
[2:14:48] the district. The first thing
[2:14:51] we would like is to have the
[2:14:52] council agree that we continue
[2:14:54] that work in order to adjust
[2:14:56] that pipeline. So some of the
[2:14:57] students would stay on and we
[2:14:59] have an opportunity to possibly
[2:15:02] save the middle school. It'll
[2:15:05] be a pilot program. And that's
[2:15:08] the to give us the the okay to
[2:15:09] go ahead and continue to
[2:15:12] negotiate consensus of Council.
[2:15:14] Yeah, we there's going to be a
[2:15:16] law of unintended consequences
[2:15:18] conversation about
[2:15:20] unintentionally depriving
[2:15:22] masked middle of its energy. Of
[2:15:23] course, we'll be careful about
[2:15:25] that for sure. Okay. You want
[2:15:29] to succinctly say what it is
[2:15:30] that my colleagues are going to
[2:15:34] agree to? Okay. To the best.
[2:15:35] Maybe our vice mayor would be
[2:15:39] better at wording this, but
[2:15:41] it's just it. In plain terms,
[2:15:42] it's the okay to look at the
[2:15:44] ila for the first time in over
[2:15:48] 12 years. Tell me what works is
[2:15:49] interlocal agreement.
[2:15:50] Interlocal agreement. It says
[2:15:51] there on the presentation. That
[2:15:52] makes sense. It basically was
[2:15:53] an agreement whereby through
[2:15:55] our investment in mast, we
[2:15:57] received 1100 guaranteed
[2:15:59] continue to support discussions.
[2:16:01] Right. That makes sense. Then
[2:16:02] the second the second ask is
[2:16:04] just your your continued
[2:16:06] support. Get involved, you know,
[2:16:09] get on, get wait, wait, go talk
[2:16:10] to the ptsa. I'm sorry, Vice
[2:16:15] Mayor. Go ahead. Last year, the
[2:16:19] council supported 50,000 and we
[2:16:21] used it very well, as you could
[2:16:24] see in the list this year. We
[2:16:25] need that support again. We're
[2:16:27] actually going up to 140,000
[2:16:29] because we're actually raising
[2:16:31] 600 and so on. But then and you
[2:16:33] sort of have an idea what
[2:16:35] that's for. I, I would say you
[2:16:37] got to look at this carefully.
[2:16:39] I mean, if you if you want to
[2:16:40] prove that, but I don't think
[2:16:42] it's, you know, during budget
[2:16:43] season and every that that
[2:16:44] would be difficult. But I think
[2:16:46] the answer is about 140 000. So.
[2:16:47] All right. Well we'll we'll
[2:16:49] have to dissect that. I think
[2:16:52] so, I think so yes. Discussions.
[2:16:54] Yes. Money perhaps take a look
[2:16:56] at it. We'll we'll take a look
[2:16:57] at it and see where all our
[2:16:59] priorities are. So minimum to
[2:17:00] repeat the 50,000 that we did
[2:17:02] last year and then see if we
[2:17:03] could increase it. Okay. Thank
[2:17:06] you, thank you thank you. Good
[2:17:09] job. Congratulations. Thank you.
[2:17:11] Thank you Council to support
[2:17:16] discussions. Yes. Yes. The next
[2:17:27] item is the Zork update. Good
[2:17:28] evening Jeremy building zoning
[2:17:31] and planning director. I will
[2:17:32] keep this relatively brief
[2:17:34] because we will come back with
[2:17:36] a more lengthy presentation to
[2:17:38] go through all of the extensive
[2:17:41] changes. But suffice to say
[2:17:43] that the committee did great
[2:17:45] work in attempting to resolve
[2:17:45] something that's quite
[2:17:47] difficult, which is how do we
[2:17:50] get more resilient and
[2:17:51] particular go up with the
[2:17:53] finished floor levels of our
[2:17:54] homes to protect them from
[2:17:56] flooding, while at the same
[2:17:58] time preserving community
[2:17:59] character and attempting to
[2:18:01] make houses seem less massive
[2:18:04] and to sort of mitigate the
[2:18:05] potential negative effects of
[2:18:07] having that elevated ground
[2:18:09] level. There was a lot of rigor,
[2:18:13] 20 plus meetings. There was
[2:18:15] community tours, a lot of great
[2:18:17] experience on there. So we will
[2:18:18] be coming back with a very
[2:18:21] detailed presentation on the
[2:18:29] content and specifics. The next
[2:18:31] item, let's do the
[2:18:32] Sustainability Advisory Board
[2:18:37] presentation. Regarding the
[2:18:40] residential waste contract rfp.
[2:18:41] Thank you. Mayor. Vice mayor.
[2:18:45] Yes, yes, I know I don't have a
[2:18:46] presentation coming out of the
[2:18:49] woodwork. Family affair. My son
[2:18:51] had to go home. If not, he'd be
[2:18:52] up here giving a little speech.
[2:18:54] So real quick, Councilmember
[2:18:56] Vasquez, thank you very much
[2:18:57] again for for that honor, for
[2:18:58] my father. I very much
[2:18:59] appreciate that. And 30 years
[2:19:01] in the community has been a
[2:19:02] blessing. So we're very
[2:19:03] grateful. This real quick is
[2:19:05] just an overview of a letter
[2:19:06] that was submitted to you. We
[2:19:08] have been working diligently
[2:19:11] with the sab and also with with
[2:19:12] our Council liaison Council
[2:19:15] member, member Bracken, and the
[2:19:16] staff has been absolutely
[2:19:17] fantastic in the assistance
[2:19:19] with, you know, prepping this
[2:19:21] request for proposal for the
[2:19:22] waste contract that's about to
[2:19:24] go out. We do have a couple of
[2:19:26] main items that we want to
[2:19:27] ensure get included and have
[2:19:29] direction from council. And
[2:19:30] they're very simple,
[2:19:32] straightforward. Number one is
[2:19:33] flexibility. Number two is
[2:19:35] sustainability. Number three is
[2:19:36] accountability. And number four
[2:19:37] is education and outreach. So
[2:19:39] just to give you a quick
[2:19:41] overview, we already have
[2:19:43] flexibility baked in to the
[2:19:45] contract as is where we have a
[2:19:46] no penalty carve out letting
[2:19:48] the village switch recycling
[2:19:49] vendors if a better option
[2:19:51] comes along. What we're looking
[2:19:53] to propose is that we have the
[2:19:54] same flexibility extended to
[2:19:56] yard waste and composting, as
[2:19:57] new technologies and options
[2:19:59] become available. Obviously,
[2:20:00] diversion is a big part of
[2:20:02] sustainable practices. So the
[2:20:03] point that we can optimize that
[2:20:05] in the future, we want to be
[2:20:07] open to those opportunities.
[2:20:08] Locking into one vendor method
[2:20:09] for these streams for the life
[2:20:11] of the contract means we can
[2:20:12] adapt as better diversion
[2:20:14] options emerge. This just
[2:20:15] protects our optionality.
[2:20:17] Number two, sustainability.
[2:20:18] Obviously coming from the sab,
[2:20:20] we want to ensure that in the
[2:20:21] vendor criteria, we have a
[2:20:22] matrix that takes these items
[2:20:24] into consideration, not just
[2:20:26] who's providing and to what,
[2:20:28] but things like making sure
[2:20:29] that they're the score bidders
[2:20:31] on sustainability performance.
[2:20:33] We want diversion rates, data
[2:20:36] infrastructure named diversion
[2:20:38] facilities and fleet fuel type
[2:20:40] built into how we score for
[2:20:41] this winning bid. If
[2:20:42] sustainability is in the
[2:20:44] scoring, it's not really a
[2:20:45] selection criteria. It's a
[2:20:47] footnote that puts us on equal
[2:20:48] footing with price and service
[2:20:50] in this decision. Number three
[2:20:52] is data accountability. Again,
[2:20:53] we've already had this
[2:20:54] discussion at length with the
[2:20:56] sab staff has been great to
[2:20:57] include this. We just want to
[2:20:59] bring this to your attention.
[2:21:00] It is in our contract currently,
[2:21:02] but we want to be more adamant
[2:21:03] about the frequency about which
[2:21:05] we get this data and who's also
[2:21:06] analyzing it. Because if we get
[2:21:08] it and it's not looked at, it
[2:21:10] doesn't do us much good. So one
[2:21:11] of the things we're looking for
[2:21:13] is weekly kpi reports from the
[2:21:14] hauler volumes, final
[2:21:16] destinations for each waste
[2:21:18] stream, delivery receipts,
[2:21:19] noncompliance tickets, which is
[2:21:21] a new one and routes tied to
[2:21:23] destinations we can't manage.
[2:21:24] What we can't see right now. We
[2:21:26] have limited visibility into
[2:21:27] where our waste actually ends
[2:21:29] up, and we want to make sure we
[2:21:30] have that information to make
[2:21:31] informed decisions moving
[2:21:32] forward. We also want to hold
[2:21:34] ourselves accountable. A
[2:21:36] designated person, staff,
[2:21:37] volunteer or consultant,
[2:21:38] actually analyzing that data
[2:21:40] and turning it into
[2:21:40] recommendations, not just
[2:21:42] filing the reports and having
[2:21:44] those numbers. And finally,
[2:21:45] education and outreach. We've
[2:21:47] put a big onus on the waste
[2:21:49] haulers within this rfp to
[2:21:51] provide educational components.
[2:21:53] As the sab, we've also stepped
[2:21:54] forward and offered to any
[2:21:56] extent that we can, if it's
[2:21:57] creating literature, if it's
[2:21:58] hosting workshops, if it's
[2:22:00] getting the information out to
[2:22:01] the community, we're ready,
[2:22:02] willing and able to help. We've
[2:22:05] had these discussions at length.
[2:22:06] We already have a robust
[2:22:07] program in place ready to
[2:22:09] launch once that provider is
[2:22:11] chosen. And these are the
[2:22:12] recommendations we're moving
[2:22:13] forward. Again, we're asking
[2:22:15] council to direct staff to
[2:22:16] build these into the rfp now,
[2:22:18] not before it's released, not
[2:22:20] to negotiate them after the
[2:22:22] fact. Happy to walk through any
[2:22:23] questions you have on the
[2:22:25] letters. This is just an
[2:22:26] overview. And again, I would
[2:22:28] like to point out just a big
[2:22:30] thanks to Doctor Michael, who
[2:22:32] is one of our board members who
[2:22:33] introduced us to Melissa Doyle,
[2:22:35] who works for the city of Fort
[2:22:36] Lauderdale. And she has been
[2:22:37] instrumental in helping to
[2:22:39] piece this together. She has
[2:22:41] worked tirelessly with with
[2:22:42] Benjamin and with Chris. And
[2:22:43] these two gentlemen have been
[2:22:45] absolutely fantastic. So I want
[2:22:46] to thank them also for their
[2:22:48] input and their time and their
[2:22:49] dedication, and I'll leave it
[2:22:50] at that. All right. Council
[2:22:52] member Robert, liaison, before
[2:22:53] you leave. Yes, sir. Discuss
[2:22:55] the the opportunity of the
[2:22:58] additional brown bin. Yes,
[2:22:59] please. Excuse me, I overlooked
[2:23:01] that. So one of the things that
[2:23:02] we're recommending in the
[2:23:04] flexibility and also the
[2:23:05] increase is to put a third bin.
[2:23:07] Because right now we have one
[2:23:08] for municipal solid waste. We
[2:23:10] have one for recycling. One of
[2:23:11] the things that we're proposing
[2:23:13] is a third brown bin currently,
[2:23:14] waste landscape and yard waste,
[2:23:17] when it reaches a tipping point,
[2:23:19] is simply put into the waste
[2:23:20] into the waste bin. What we
[2:23:22] want to do is we want to
[2:23:23] provide a segmented bin in
[2:23:24] order to provide that service
[2:23:26] as an add on to what is
[2:23:27] currently happening. All right.
[2:23:29] And one of the things that
[2:23:30] we're looking, again, when you
[2:23:31] look at the sustainability
[2:23:32] matrix, is, okay, this isn't
[2:23:33] only being taken to the
[2:23:35] landfill, but if there are
[2:23:36] vendors out there that can
[2:23:37] provide an alternative solution
[2:23:38] to this landscape and yard
[2:23:39] waste going to a more
[2:23:40] sustainable practice facility,
[2:23:42] that would be ideal. So just,
[2:23:44] just simply the if you think
[2:23:45] about what happens in the
[2:23:46] single family home community,
[2:23:48] we get these bulk pickups,
[2:23:50] right? So every landscaping
[2:23:51] contractor and their mother
[2:23:53] throws all that landscaping
[2:23:55] material on those bulk pickups,
[2:23:56] right? So that's where all that
[2:23:58] debris ends up getting
[2:23:59] landfilled. What the idea of
[2:24:00] the second, the third bin is,
[2:24:03] is to have a weekly pickup of
[2:24:03] landscaping material so that
[2:24:05] you don't, you get a much
[2:24:06] higher diversion rate. That's
[2:24:07] the thought process here.
[2:24:09] That's a big part of the whole
[2:24:10] sustainability movement is to
[2:24:11] get no one wants to build
[2:24:12] another landfill. Right. So
[2:24:14] that's the whole idea. Extend
[2:24:15] the life of the landfill and we
[2:24:17] don't have to build another one.
[2:24:18] That's the whole purpose of
[2:24:19] recycling. These guys are doing
[2:24:21] a great job. Thank you very
[2:24:22] much. Thank you, thank you.
[2:24:24] Okay. I just have a quick
[2:24:26] question. I'm sorry the last
[2:24:27] time and thank you for doing
[2:24:29] that for for looking into
[2:24:30] detail on this. The last time
[2:24:32] we spoke with the manager on
[2:24:33] this, I think they were going
[2:24:35] out with an rfq. This was
[2:24:36] moving forward. Have you been
[2:24:39] able to incorporate these
[2:24:40] comments? Where are we at with
[2:24:42] the negotiations of that or
[2:24:43] with staff? We're still
[2:24:45] stacking the rfp, still in
[2:24:46] writing. And in fact, we're
[2:24:48] coming to you tonight to extend
[2:24:49] the current contract so that we
[2:24:51] make sure that we work. We have
[2:24:52] been working very closely with
[2:24:54] the sab just to get them one
[2:24:56] more time to extend the
[2:24:58] contract as it currently is.
[2:25:00] Yeah, we need to extend and
[2:25:02] allow for the six months to
[2:25:03] incorporate and to study these,
[2:25:05] these so that we can put out.
[2:25:06] Got it. And then this will not
[2:25:08] be a simple rfp in particularly.
[2:25:10] We're going to do some
[2:25:12] alternatives on it so that we
[2:25:13] understand the cost of this
[2:25:15] additional requirement, right.
[2:25:16] So that we clearly understand
[2:25:19] what we're stepping into so
[2:25:19] that that's something we're
[2:25:21] going to work together with you.
[2:25:22] And I know you and Chris have
[2:25:24] already been working, so yes,
[2:25:25] sir, we're good to go. Just to
[2:25:27] point out, you gave us two
[2:25:28] months. We hit the two month
[2:25:29] schedule. Okay. All right.
[2:25:31] Thank you. Everybody. Have a
[2:25:32] wonderful evening. We've
[2:25:34] exceeded the quota tonight.
[2:25:41] Yeah. Thank you everybody.
[2:25:45] Alright? Consent agenda. Move.
[2:25:46] Second. I want to pull. I'm
[2:25:47] sorry. There's a community
[2:25:50] center. No, no. Okay. Skip that.
[2:25:52] I'm sorry. Who moved the
[2:25:55] consent agenda? Second. Second.
[2:25:57] We'll pull eight b. Thank you.
[2:25:59] Eight d oh, wait. I'm sorry.
[2:26:01] You're man Council member
[2:26:05] London. You'd like to 8b8d and
[2:26:14] eight e the e okay. Consensus
[2:26:15] of council to remove the three
[2:26:17] items from the consent agenda.
[2:26:18] It has to be unanimous. We
[2:26:21] don't need to consent. Okay,
[2:26:26] well. Yes. Okay. Good man wants
[2:26:28] to pull them. You can pull them.
[2:26:30] It's just, you know, it usually
[2:26:31] happens in the agenda portion.
[2:26:33] That's all I'm. And you all
[2:26:37] agree to it. So that's why I
[2:26:38] asked that. No I don't it's
[2:26:40] fine. So all those in favor of
[2:26:44] the amended consent agenda I, I
[2:26:49] opposed motion carries. Okay.
[2:26:52] I'm going to read 8ba
[2:26:53] resolution of the village
[2:26:55] council of the village of Key
[2:26:57] Biscayne, Florida. Yeah, yeah.
[2:27:00] It's not deferred. It's pulled.
[2:27:02] You pulled it right. I want to
[2:27:04] discuss it. Yes. So it's gotta
[2:27:06] read the title. Yes, I do make
[2:27:08] it official. A resolution of
[2:27:10] the village Council of the
[2:27:11] village of Key Biscayne,
[2:27:12] Florida, approving an
[2:27:13] interlocal agreement with
[2:27:15] Miami-Dade County to enforce
[2:27:18] section 2-9, 8.3 of the Miami
[2:27:20] Dade County Code of Ordinances
[2:27:22] and additional regulations
[2:27:24] relating to the operation of
[2:27:26] micromobility devices, electric
[2:27:28] bicycles and motorized scooters
[2:27:29] within the village, providing
[2:27:31] for authorization and providing
[2:27:35] for an effective date. So,
[2:27:36] mayor, before chief tells you I
[2:27:39] need someone to second who
[2:27:44] moved it second. And thank you,
[2:27:45] mayor, before we have the chief
[2:27:47] kick off, I just want to make
[2:27:48] sure it's clear with the
[2:27:50] council that this is just an
[2:27:51] extension of an existing
[2:27:52] interlocal agreement. So, chief,
[2:27:54] if you take it from here. Yeah.
[2:27:56] As. Good evening, mayor, vice
[2:27:58] mayor, Council, what's your
[2:28:00] issue is this. Chief, if
[2:28:02] somebody's coming off the
[2:28:03] island and they want to go to
[2:28:04] Cape Florida State Park, and
[2:28:07] they're going on a motorized
[2:28:08] micromobility device, or you
[2:28:09] want to call it, are you going
[2:28:11] to give them a ticket on the
[2:28:13] way to the park? As long as
[2:28:14] they're not operating it in a
[2:28:16] class 2 or 3 fashion and what
[2:28:17] they're allowed to operate
[2:28:18] micromobility devices on
[2:28:19] Crandon Boulevard in the bike
[2:28:22] lane in a class one fashion. No
[2:28:24] problem. Correct. Okay. So in
[2:28:26] other words, there's a way to
[2:28:27] get through. No, that's my
[2:28:29] first question. And number two,
[2:28:31] is that okay? Joe bought
[2:28:32] himself a new electric bike
[2:28:34] last week. He didn't tell you
[2:28:35] about it. So anyway, he now has
[2:28:37] walked up to Crandon Boulevard
[2:28:39] and he wants to go to Miami. We
[2:28:41] get a ticket leaving Key
[2:28:42] Biscayne. If he stays in the
[2:28:45] bike lane. No. Class one bike?
[2:28:49] No. No objection. Move on. All
[2:28:52] those in favor of eight, be.
[2:28:56] Aye. Opposed. Motion carries.
[2:28:59] The next item is a resolution
[2:29:01] 8da resolution of the Village
[2:29:02] Council of the Village of Key
[2:29:04] Biscayne, Florida, selecting
[2:29:06] Maverick United Elevator, llc
[2:29:08] for elevator maintenance and
[2:29:10] repair services in an amount
[2:29:13] not to exceed $41,400 annually
[2:29:15] over a three year term pursuant
[2:29:19] to invitation to bid itb number
[2:29:21] 2026 dash ten, providing for
[2:29:22] authorization and providing for
[2:29:27] an effective date. Move it.
[2:29:28] Second. Where's the second? I'm
[2:29:33] sorry, are you? Thank you. It's
[2:29:36] a discussion issue. Issue. I
[2:29:39] have a question. Sure. Well,
[2:29:41] you pulled it. I did, but I
[2:29:43] want to speak first. Well, if
[2:29:44] you. I thought we were
[2:29:45] deferring these. I don't know.
[2:29:47] Okay. Just questions about my
[2:29:48] okay. My questions as follows.
[2:29:50] Pulling from the consent. We
[2:29:52] started with the I guess the
[2:29:53] community center with the
[2:29:55] elevator and they came before
[2:29:57] us. You weren't here at the
[2:29:59] time, but we came before us and
[2:30:00] they said, hey, listen, we got
[2:30:02] to get rid of, I think it was
[2:30:03] Schindler. We had, as a
[2:30:05] contractor put it in, we're not
[2:30:06] doing the job, blah, blah, blah.
[2:30:08] We got new contractor and
[2:30:09] they'll take care of everything,
[2:30:10] the warranty with a guarantee.
[2:30:12] Et cetera. Et cetera. Et cetera.
[2:30:14] Next thing I remember, we had
[2:30:15] another work order. Do you know
[2:30:17] what? They weren't doing it. We
[2:30:18] had to get somebody else to do
[2:30:20] it. I think did it on an
[2:30:21] emergency basis, didn't you,
[2:30:23] Steve? On the elevator in the
[2:30:24] in the community center. Right.
[2:30:25] Yeah. Because that was an
[2:30:27] immediate emergency. Yes. So my
[2:30:28] question now is now we're
[2:30:30] getting another contractor to
[2:30:32] do this. And what are they
[2:30:34] warranting and what will they
[2:30:36] do and what will they charge us?
[2:30:38] Is it a flat monthly fee or is
[2:30:39] it just for time when they come
[2:30:41] to work, they're charging a
[2:30:43] flat monthly fee for the
[2:30:45] maintenance, operation and
[2:30:46] inspection of those elevators.
[2:30:48] So basically there's no parts
[2:30:50] and labor involved in repairs.
[2:30:51] There's no parts and labor
[2:30:53] involved. There is a markup on
[2:30:54] the parts that they have to buy.
[2:30:56] It's a 9% markup. Okay. And my
[2:30:58] question then is, can you get a
[2:31:00] service contract for parts and
[2:31:03] labor to be included? That's
[2:31:04] not how the industry works,
[2:31:06] really. Okay, so the ones I've
[2:31:08] gotten, they don't work that
[2:31:09] way. Okay. They haven't tell
[2:31:10] them they haven't contracts
[2:31:11] I've got are all wrong. You're
[2:31:13] screwing me up. You shouldn't
[2:31:14] do that for me. That's. They
[2:31:16] have not been with us that way.
[2:31:17] No. Okay. They all wanted a
[2:31:19] percentage markup on the parts.
[2:31:20] I'm not saying the 1%. Listen,
[2:31:22] I'm talking about a contract
[2:31:25] that says for so much a month,
[2:31:26] they will take care of it.
[2:31:28] Service calls. Either you want
[2:31:30] it working hours, you want it
[2:31:31] 24 hours, a different charge.
[2:31:33] And you're saying that doesn't
[2:31:34] exist. That's their inspection
[2:31:35] and maintenance of the
[2:31:36] elevators, and they'll cover it
[2:31:38] under that. But if there's
[2:31:39] additional parts required, they
[2:31:40] will charge you for the parts,
[2:31:42] the labor with a markup on the
[2:31:44] parts. Have you tried to get a
[2:31:45] contract? Parts and labor. We
[2:31:47] did. This contract went out and
[2:31:48] we had nine bidders come back,
[2:31:50] and all nine bidders bid it the
[2:31:51] same way. Yes. Okay, fine. Good
[2:31:53] enough done. Nancy. Okay. Two
[2:31:55] things. One, I just want to
[2:31:56] bring to everyone's attention
[2:31:58] that a long time ago I asked
[2:31:59] council to include in all of
[2:32:01] our contracts that if any of
[2:32:03] the tariffs were found to be
[2:32:05] unlawful and they were going to
[2:32:06] be reimbursed, that we would
[2:32:07] have in our contract, that they
[2:32:09] get reimbursed to us. Thank you
[2:32:10] very much for doing it. I saw
[2:32:14] that in there. That's fantastic.
[2:32:15] My other my other question here
[2:32:20] is. Or or issue is with the
[2:32:23] with the extensions of the
[2:32:24] contract. Shouldn't that even
[2:32:26] even if shouldn't that come
[2:32:28] before council? Shouldn't we at
[2:32:30] least know whether or not we're
[2:32:31] at the time where we're going
[2:32:33] to extend it or not? Because i
[2:32:36] think it's manager's discretion,
[2:32:37] unless I didn't read that
[2:32:40] properly. Attorney. So our and
[2:32:41] we've had this discussion in
[2:32:43] the past on this dais, our
[2:32:44] standard agreement for a lot of
[2:32:46] our professional services is a
[2:32:48] three year agreement with two
[2:32:50] year extensions that are
[2:32:51] permitted by the manager.
[2:32:54] That's how we typically do it.
[2:32:56] It's up to the council if you
[2:32:59] want to change that on any
[2:33:00] contract. It comes to our
[2:33:01] attention, oh, come to your
[2:33:02] attention. Well, that's just,
[2:33:04] you know, if you would like the
[2:33:06] manager to notify the council
[2:33:09] once he exercised an extension,
[2:33:11] that's fine. I don't know how
[2:33:13] Steve, before it's exercised,
[2:33:15] just in case any of us know of
[2:33:17] problems or have issues or
[2:33:18] something. I don't think that's
[2:33:21] unreasonable. No, I don't, you
[2:33:23] know, think well, I'm not sure
[2:33:24] if it's necessary to have it in
[2:33:28] the agreement, but Steve,
[2:33:29] practice. I don't know what
[2:33:34] your typical practice is. Not
[2:33:35] 100%, I have noticed noticed
[2:33:37] them on a number of them. Not
[2:33:40] but not not 100% of them. I
[2:33:42] just think it would be. So we
[2:33:44] would like to know so that
[2:33:45] anyone has an issue, they could
[2:33:47] bring it up because I when
[2:33:48] you're in the middle of a three
[2:33:49] year contract, you don't know
[2:33:51] that it's about to end and that
[2:33:53] it's necessary to do anything
[2:33:54] about it. Okay, well, we could
[2:33:56] put it in the agreement if you
[2:33:58] want, or we could just have it,
[2:34:00] or you could have it as a
[2:34:01] practice with the manager. I
[2:34:02] think that's fine. I think
[2:34:04] that's fine. All right, MR.
[2:34:05] Manager. I'm sorry. Can you
[2:34:08] repeat the direction that as a
[2:34:09] motion. Do I need to. That's
[2:34:11] okay. No, it could be a
[2:34:12] consensus of council to direct
[2:34:14] the manager of counsel. I think
[2:34:16] the manager under the notify
[2:34:19] counsel when prior to a an
[2:34:21] extension of the two year
[2:34:22] contract. Okay. Thank you,
[2:34:27] thank you. Okay. On a d all
[2:34:31] those in favor? Aye. Opposed.
[2:34:35] Motion carries. Next item one
[2:34:39] more, MR. E a resolution of the
[2:34:40] Village Council of the Village
[2:34:42] of Key Biscayne, Florida,
[2:34:43] authorizing the village manager
[2:34:44] to enter an agreement with the
[2:34:46] Florida International
[2:34:48] University Board of Trustees on
[2:34:50] behalf of Florida International
[2:34:52] University for a coastal
[2:34:54] subsurface groundwater
[2:34:56] monitoring program on village
[2:34:58] property, providing for
[2:34:59] implementation and providing
[2:35:02] for an effective date. Move.
[2:35:04] Second. Thank you. My only
[2:35:06] question on this is how will
[2:35:09] this affect us moving forward
[2:35:10] with the storm sewer
[2:35:11] installation, design and
[2:35:12] installation? Is this going to
[2:35:15] delay things? If so, how long
[2:35:18] will it delay things? Doesn't
[2:35:19] delay anything. I mean if
[2:35:20] anything it's. In other words,
[2:35:22] if we get g, I, t or somebody
[2:35:24] else to move forward, another
[2:35:27] engineer, we're getting free
[2:35:28] agreement. I'm all for the free.
[2:35:30] I'm the problem with that. Okay,
[2:35:32] I like free. These two things
[2:35:34] are totally separate. So that's
[2:35:35] not going to stop anything. No.
[2:35:37] What's that one doesn't affect
[2:35:38] the other. Good. Okay. I have
[2:35:40] no question. No problem. Okay.
[2:35:44] Did you Steve, did you bring up
[2:35:46] with Chad my question, my legal
[2:35:47] question? Well, we'll look into
[2:35:48] it. Okay. And it's something
[2:35:50] and obviously we want to keep
[2:35:51] it here. So. Yes. No, you
[2:35:53] brought up a good question and
[2:35:54] we will definitely look into it.
[2:35:56] That was it. Thank you sir.
[2:35:58] MADAM Clerk. All those in favor?
[2:36:03] Aye. Opposed. Motion carries.
[2:36:06] Okay. Nine a the next item is
[2:36:08] the second reading of a capital
[2:36:09] project authorizing ordinance
[2:36:11] of the Village Council of the
[2:36:12] Village of Key Biscayne,
[2:36:14] Florida, selecting b and g
[2:36:16] Construction Solutions Corp for
[2:36:18] the Harbor Drive. Milling,
[2:36:20] resurfacing and roadway
[2:36:21] reconstruction project in an
[2:36:27] amount not to exceed $2,384,688.
[2:36:28] Providing for authorization,
[2:36:30] providing for implementation
[2:36:32] and providing for an effective
[2:36:36] date. Move. Second. Thank you.
[2:36:37] Calling. Been working on this
[2:36:38] for what, three years? Four
[2:36:41] years approximately, sir. It's
[2:36:43] coming, it's coming. I would
[2:36:44] like to just amend this. If we
[2:36:46] call it amend or, or parse it
[2:36:48] or take it apart and say that
[2:36:51] the is brought up tonight by
[2:36:53] Brett about the what do you
[2:36:55] call it, the stamped asphalt
[2:36:56] that let's talk about at this
[2:36:58] point in time? I see that's
[2:36:59] part of the contract, 200 000.
[2:37:00] Go forward with everything else
[2:37:02] and we take a final decision on
[2:37:04] that. In other words, take that
[2:37:06] out of the contract today until
[2:37:08] we advise them that that's what
[2:37:10] we want. I would caution
[2:37:11] against that, if I MAY, because
[2:37:13] once you enter into the
[2:37:15] contract, that would constitute
[2:37:16] a material change and the
[2:37:18] contractor can do after that,
[2:37:20] you have to pay a premium price
[2:37:25] for any changes. Perhaps it's
[2:37:27] really something to consider. I
[2:37:30] don't I have done all of those.
[2:37:32] Yeah. Can you just but but I
[2:37:34] would call okay. So my my thing
[2:37:35] quickly before you before you
[2:37:40] go further, if we change this
[2:37:42] in any other material way, it's
[2:37:45] got to go back to the county.
[2:37:48] No, because this portion of the
[2:37:51] road is on our dime. Yes. Okay.
[2:37:53] But it is in a single contract
[2:37:55] and that is going to a single
[2:37:58] contractor. So but couldn't we
[2:37:59] have an amendment to the
[2:38:01] contract to take that out with
[2:38:03] an agreement that if we put it
[2:38:04] back in, this is going to be
[2:38:06] the price? What they've already
[2:38:08] quoted us or to provide for
[2:38:09] this, a certain amount of time,
[2:38:11] we would do the contract and
[2:38:12] have a change order if we don't
[2:38:14] do this, because this is the
[2:38:15] last thing that's going to
[2:38:17] happen about the first thing.
[2:38:18] Correct? What's the what's the
[2:38:19] square footage? I mean, this is
[2:38:21] the first thing that's going to
[2:38:22] happen before the circle. The
[2:38:23] circles are the first thing
[2:38:25] they're going to start working
[2:38:26] on. Yes, you're going to stamp
[2:38:28] on the stamp concrete. They're
[2:38:29] going to start removing the
[2:38:30] brick pavers and the concrete
[2:38:31] underneath the brick pavers and
[2:38:32] preparing that area with base
[2:38:34] and building it up to be able
[2:38:38] to get to an elevation, a level
[2:38:39] where they can do the asphalt
[2:38:41] and then come back and do the
[2:38:42] brick pavers. But they have to
[2:38:44] work on that. And the concrete
[2:38:45] ribbons that are there, we have
[2:38:47] to make a decision quickly. Yes.
[2:38:49] Okay. Right now I'm just and
[2:38:51] it's 1.9 million as somebody
[2:38:53] else's money. So listen, I got
[2:38:54] no problem doing it. The
[2:38:56] question is, if Brett is
[2:38:57] telling you it all came up, why
[2:38:59] do we want to do something
[2:39:00] that's been unsuccessful
[2:39:02] somewhere else? Right. But by
[2:39:04] the same token, well, we had
[2:39:06] that presentation. Was it
[2:39:09] kimley-horn or. Yes, it said
[2:39:11] that to do this in a pervious
[2:39:13] way was going to cost a million.
[2:39:15] I'm not saying about impervious.
[2:39:16] We're talking I'm not saying
[2:39:17] impervious. I'm saying I'm just
[2:39:19] not here. I agree with you. I'm
[2:39:20] not I'm not disagreeing. I'm
[2:39:21] just saying that I think it
[2:39:23] brought up that the bricks have
[2:39:24] been there for 20 years.
[2:39:25] They're not maintained. They're
[2:39:26] not maintained. Now, do you
[2:39:28] know how many times I talked to
[2:39:30] you? Anybody drives down Harbor
[2:39:31] Drive? It's just horrible. Okay,
[2:39:32] well, we're also not going to
[2:39:33] have busses. Sorry. We're not
[2:39:35] going to have busses. No, but
[2:39:36] we haven't had busses for a
[2:39:38] while. It's still horrible. We
[2:39:39] have concrete trucks, but we
[2:39:40] have concrete trucks. Whatever
[2:39:41] we have. The point being, it's
[2:39:43] not being maintained. No, the
[2:39:44] question is, can we maintain
[2:39:45] bricks with our maintenance
[2:39:46] department or do we have to
[2:39:48] basically sub subcontract out
[2:39:50] maintenance? What what's your
[2:39:54] issue with doing this? I'm
[2:39:55] really I'm not sure what you're
[2:39:57] what you're proposing. I'm
[2:39:59] supposing either not to do the
[2:40:01] bricks and do them properly or
[2:40:03] do something else. That's all I
[2:40:04] think. Can we can we discuss
[2:40:07] what we mean properly. So so if
[2:40:09] these are sand set pavers we're
[2:40:10] going to continue having
[2:40:11] problems with them. So so the
[2:40:14] the question is if we rebuild
[2:40:17] the the structure underneath
[2:40:19] the street using concrete or
[2:40:22] some appropriate surface relay
[2:40:24] the pavers back down. Wouldn't
[2:40:25] it make more sense that we
[2:40:27] cement those in place versus
[2:40:29] that they are currently cement
[2:40:30] based underneath them? There is
[2:40:31] a cement base. I understand,
[2:40:32] but they're not. But they're
[2:40:34] set. They're sand set after
[2:40:35] that fact. Correct. All right.
[2:40:37] So every time we have a rain,
[2:40:38] every time we have a water
[2:40:40] event, we flush out things. We
[2:40:43] undermine the the pavers. Not
[2:40:44] necessarily. They have a
[2:40:45] concrete ribbon around the
[2:40:46] edges so that that sand doesn't
[2:40:47] necessarily flush out. But it
[2:40:49] is, it is we are losing sand in
[2:40:51] them and they do settle. We
[2:40:53] have gone back and reset a lot
[2:40:56] of these pavers numerous times.
[2:40:57] Just in the two years that I've
[2:40:58] been here. Yeah. But that's
[2:41:00] going to happen a lot that that
[2:41:01] is part of that's part of
[2:41:03] having brick pavers. And people
[2:41:05] need to understand that. And we
[2:41:07] have done it in Las Olas,
[2:41:08] places like that, where you
[2:41:10] have these brick pavers and
[2:41:11] they move, they shift it. It's
[2:41:14] a maintenance issue. If you
[2:41:15] want brick pavers, you have to
[2:41:17] deal with that. If you want
[2:41:18] stamped asphalt, you have to
[2:41:20] deal with with the tires, with
[2:41:21] the dirt and having to replace
[2:41:23] it. So either, you know, pick
[2:41:24] pick your poison. I guess
[2:41:26] that's what I'm trying to say.
[2:41:28] But but let me just one quick,
[2:41:30] quick, if I MAY, please. It
[2:41:33] says pattern payment 246,693.
[2:41:36] Is that pattern payment the
[2:41:37] portion that you're talking
[2:41:38] about being stamped. That is
[2:41:39] correct. Okay. And you're
[2:41:42] allowing a contingency for
[2:41:44] $24,000 added to it. Is that is
[2:41:46] that just let me ask you a
[2:41:47] question. If you ask the
[2:41:49] contractor, what price would he
[2:41:50] give you right now? If you talk
[2:41:52] to them and get a general idea,
[2:41:54] because I think this subject is
[2:41:56] I don't think we should really
[2:41:57] cut corners just to move a
[2:41:59] contract. I think we should
[2:42:00] look at this. And I think this
[2:42:02] is a subject that is not
[2:42:03] something we want to just my
[2:42:05] opinion. I hear the concern.
[2:42:08] I've heard Brett speak about it.
[2:42:09] I have a particular concern
[2:42:11] with it. I think there's
[2:42:12] options out there that we could
[2:42:14] do. I'm asking the question,
[2:42:15] can we ask the contractor to
[2:42:17] see what price that would be
[2:42:19] before we sign this contract? A
[2:42:21] price to do what to do a brick
[2:42:23] pavers to brick pavers. Yes.
[2:42:24] Okay. Let's, let's, let's
[2:42:25] forget about the maintenance
[2:42:27] issue because it's going to
[2:42:29] happen. The village has to make
[2:42:30] a commitment. If they want
[2:42:31] brick pavers, we're going to
[2:42:34] have to take care of them. Yes,
[2:42:36] we can look for options, but
[2:42:37] what I'm saying is that we have
[2:42:39] to it requires a specific type
[2:42:41] of maintenance. Can you talk to
[2:42:42] the contractor on this? I
[2:42:43] certainly I can ask, can you
[2:42:45] come back with a price and let
[2:42:47] us know because right now we're
[2:42:48] voting kind of blind. Would you
[2:42:49] agree with that? Does this
[2:42:51] contract result in brick pavers
[2:42:52] at the end? Is that the final
[2:42:54] finish. No stamped pavers.
[2:42:56] It'll be it'll be patterned
[2:42:58] asphalt. Correct. So you either
[2:43:00] live very different than it
[2:43:03] currently is. I do want to say
[2:43:05] all of our prior conversations
[2:43:08] about this have been about the
[2:43:10] circles and drainage and
[2:43:11] resiliency. We never talked
[2:43:13] about esthetics that I recall.
[2:43:14] It's always been pervious
[2:43:16] versus right. So we're ending
[2:43:18] up with something that is
[2:43:20] completely impervious. So if we
[2:43:22] can get something that looks
[2:43:27] better, get set bricks, that's
[2:43:31] no, no less, no more impervious
[2:43:33] than, than the, the, the tar.
[2:43:34] I'm not sure what difference it
[2:43:37] makes other than the price and
[2:43:39] the maintenance. So part of it
[2:43:41] has to do with what we want the
[2:43:42] village to look like. Let's do
[2:43:44] it before we sign the contract,
[2:43:46] not after. Because once we sign
[2:43:48] the contract, then we pay
[2:43:53] premium. MR. Mayor, we spent
[2:43:54] three years on this and
[2:43:55] obviously this is the council's
[2:43:56] call. We've been talking for
[2:43:58] the last year that this would
[2:44:00] be stamped asphalt. We've had
[2:44:02] one reading on this. It's
[2:44:06] already been passed. This is
[2:44:07] $1.9 million of county money,
[2:44:09] but it is up to the council.
[2:44:10] But I do want to let the
[2:44:12] council know that the staff is
[2:44:13] getting frustrated as we keep
[2:44:15] changing these projects, but of
[2:44:16] course, we'll do what the
[2:44:18] council wishes us to do. Okay.
[2:44:22] The is there a potential that
[2:44:24] we would have to go back to the
[2:44:28] county on any of this? That's
[2:44:30] that's my it would be about. No,
[2:44:33] no, but but Chad, can you is
[2:44:35] there any reason that this
[2:44:37] would have to go back? Because
[2:44:40] if it does, I. I got a real
[2:44:41] problem with this. I mean, I
[2:44:42] don't I don't see that it's
[2:44:45] just on the county years to get
[2:44:46] this. We're just talking about
[2:44:49] the stamp concrete component,
[2:44:52] correct. To me, that's that's a
[2:44:53] non-material change. I mean,
[2:44:55] that's an esthetic change that
[2:44:58] that they flat out said they
[2:45:01] would not pay or have any part
[2:45:02] of the stamp of the brick
[2:45:04] pavers. So if we go brick
[2:45:06] pavers, that is completely out.
[2:45:08] Would it be a significant
[2:45:09] change? I don't know, they said
[2:45:11] they weren't going to pay for
[2:45:12] the stamped asphalt either or
[2:45:13] whatever. Anything. So anything
[2:45:14] esthetic they're not paying for
[2:45:17] right. They're only providing
[2:45:21] the asphalt part per the only
[2:45:23] providing the asphalt portion
[2:45:24] in the new paving right. And
[2:45:26] the concrete curbing. So it's
[2:45:27] irrelevant. It's irrelevant to
[2:45:28] the county. Correct. They
[2:45:30] probably won't care. So the
[2:45:31] timing of the project would
[2:45:33] walk me through the most
[2:45:35] expedited manner in which we
[2:45:37] could potentially change the
[2:45:40] stamped asphalt. For now, the
[2:45:41] brick pavers, you approved this
[2:45:43] contract, and we would issue a
[2:45:44] change order to the contractor
[2:45:46] later on, which is what MR.
[2:45:47] London was saying. I'm saying
[2:45:48] there's potential. I mean, I'm
[2:45:49] discussing it. Yeah, I
[2:45:50] understand the question. What
[2:45:52] Mike is saying. Explore the
[2:45:54] idea of not having a new set of
[2:45:56] hard set. Yeah. But everybody
[2:45:57] what everybody thinks of a
[2:45:58] change order, that's an option
[2:46:00] that Chris can put in the in
[2:46:01] the change, the potential
[2:46:03] change order is go sand set or
[2:46:04] bricks or, or, or concrete set,
[2:46:05] whatever that would, that would
[2:46:07] be in the, in a change order
[2:46:09] that we would issue to the
[2:46:10] contractor. Yes. Option to do
[2:46:12] one or the other or both. And
[2:46:13] we would, we would obviously we
[2:46:15] would get a credit for what
[2:46:17] he's calculated for the. Do you
[2:46:18] have an opinion on those two
[2:46:22] different sets? I think the
[2:46:23] issue with brick pavers
[2:46:25] throughout the island, we just
[2:46:27] replaced a number of speed
[2:46:29] tables that were done in brick
[2:46:31] pavers that were settling, that
[2:46:32] we've had issues with not only
[2:46:34] the, the speed tables are a bit
[2:46:36] more complex than that, a bit
[2:46:38] more complex, but they did have
[2:46:41] issues, different issues.
[2:46:42] Fernwood, the circles here on
[2:46:44] Fernwood and some of the speed
[2:46:45] tables here on Fernwood show
[2:46:46] deterioration of the brick
[2:46:48] pavers settlement. They all
[2:46:49] settle greatly here in the
[2:46:51] island. They're affected by our
[2:46:53] the tidal the groundwater
[2:46:55] moving up and down in our title
[2:46:57] effect Harbor Drive. We're
[2:46:58] talking about Harbor Drive, but
[2:46:59] I was asked about throughout
[2:47:00] the village brick pavers in my
[2:47:02] in my opinion, on one versus
[2:47:05] the other, I think we receive
[2:47:07] much better stability with
[2:47:09] stamped asphalt and the
[2:47:10] stamping is just the esthetic
[2:47:12] side. But I think we received
[2:47:14] much better stability with the
[2:47:18] asphalt and much a better
[2:47:19] maintenance that can be done to
[2:47:21] them. If we find issues we can
[2:47:22] repay. You attest the failure
[2:47:24] that former Council member
[2:47:26] Brett Moss brought up with
[2:47:28] regards to Brickell. I didn't
[2:47:29] hear his comments on Brickell.
[2:47:31] I'm sorry I wasn't in the room.
[2:47:33] Brett, you want to tell him
[2:47:35] what you saw? As far as they
[2:47:36] deteriorated, they chipped.
[2:47:41] They. Yeah, sure. Just get a
[2:47:43] little description of the
[2:47:45] comment. Was that in Brickell,
[2:47:48] all the crosswalks were done
[2:47:50] with asphalt, stamped asphalt
[2:47:53] and patterned asphalt. And a
[2:47:54] little bit more than three
[2:47:56] years ago, you can tell that
[2:47:58] they were chipping, cracking,
[2:47:59] popping off. They were patching
[2:48:01] them. And then finally, three
[2:48:03] years ago, they came in,
[2:48:05] removed all of it. And what did
[2:48:06] they put in? They put the brick
[2:48:08] brick pavers back, the concrete
[2:48:09] brick pavers. So that's what
[2:48:11] all Brickell has now because I
[2:48:12] believe it. The other part of
[2:48:14] the comment was that the brick
[2:48:16] pavers had lasted 20 plus years.
[2:48:17] Yes, with some deterioration,
[2:48:20] but harbors different than the
[2:48:21] tables. Correct. The speed
[2:48:24] bumps. Right. It's more flat to
[2:48:26] to COUNCILMAN Vasquez's point,
[2:48:28] it requires heavy maintenance.
[2:48:30] We have performed maintenance
[2:48:31] on the circles on the brick
[2:48:33] pavers, but it is a constant
[2:48:34] maintenance and it is something
[2:48:36] that we contract out. We do not
[2:48:38] do that in-house. We don't have
[2:48:39] the failures that were just
[2:48:41] that he just described. Do I
[2:48:42] have, I'm sorry, concern of the
[2:48:45] failures that he just I don't
[2:48:47] believe that we would have the
[2:48:48] volume of traffic that they
[2:48:51] have on Brickell. On our road.
[2:48:52] We have significant traffic,
[2:48:54] but not to that extent. So then
[2:48:55] we're talking more about
[2:48:57] esthetics, which is what you
[2:48:58] were talking about. How do we
[2:49:00] this is an esthetics point. You
[2:49:01] mentioned something else, Chris,
[2:49:02] about settlement, which makes
[2:49:04] me remember. Now, maybe you
[2:49:06] remember we had an engineering
[2:49:09] firm which designed all the,
[2:49:11] the circles with all the pavers
[2:49:13] and everything else. And at the
[2:49:16] time, Jean Santiago was our
[2:49:18] chief building official, and he
[2:49:19] had we had a requirement here
[2:49:22] of 5000 psi concrete for
[2:49:23] everything. And at that point
[2:49:26] in time, these guys used 2,500
[2:49:28] pounds. I remember Jim, you
[2:49:30] remember. So actually they came
[2:49:31] for another job and we brought
[2:49:33] that up. So we didn't start
[2:49:35] using them. Now, I don't know
[2:49:36] if in fact I don't know what
[2:49:38] kind of mesh or anything they
[2:49:39] did for reinforcing this thing.
[2:49:41] So I don't know what you're
[2:49:42] going to do. Now for the base
[2:49:43] underneath the pavers. We're
[2:49:45] just going to use the same base
[2:49:47] that's there correctly. If, if
[2:49:49] if we're going to restore and
[2:49:50] replace the pavers, we would
[2:49:51] use the same base. If if the
[2:49:53] integrity of that base is still.
[2:49:55] But you have you had settlement
[2:49:56] everywhere, just occasionally
[2:49:58] in different places. All of the
[2:49:59] traffic circles have some form
[2:50:02] of settlement and need
[2:50:03] significant restoration. I
[2:50:05] don't know if I, I don't want
[2:50:08] to say everything Of. By the
[2:50:10] same token, I know that wasn't
[2:50:12] done according to what our
[2:50:13] building official the way he
[2:50:15] wanted it done. And I know we
[2:50:17] stopped using that engineering
[2:50:19] firm again. 5000 psi is
[2:50:22] significantly. It's over. Yeah,
[2:50:24] but he also knew that as soon
[2:50:25] as you start pouring into
[2:50:26] cylinders, you add water to say,
[2:50:29] you know, can I get more water?
[2:50:31] MAY I offer something perhaps
[2:50:33] as a way just to kind of find a
[2:50:35] middle ground and move forward
[2:50:36] with this? Is there a way that
[2:50:38] you can negotiate with a
[2:50:39] contractor, some contingency to
[2:50:41] be added into the line items
[2:50:44] here that covers for the brick
[2:50:45] pavers right now? Should the
[2:50:46] village choose to move forward
[2:50:48] with that and allow us the
[2:50:49] opportunity to talk about it
[2:50:50] more in detail. We were on
[2:50:52] second reading. I know, I know,
[2:50:55] MR. Mayor. I'm but I'm asking a
[2:50:56] question whether. So what
[2:50:57] you're saying, basically, is
[2:50:59] that we have to approve it
[2:51:01] based on what it is or start
[2:51:03] over. I mean, you know, no, no
[2:51:05] I'm not. What I'm trying to say
[2:51:06] is that I know we're in second
[2:51:07] reading, but I'm asking if
[2:51:10] there's an opportunity. Come
[2:51:12] back quickly with a negotiated
[2:51:15] value on this and bring it back.
[2:51:16] But negotiate with the
[2:51:18] contractor, see if you can
[2:51:19] include a number right here in
[2:51:21] the contingency. I don't
[2:51:24] believe we can. Can you do that?
[2:51:25] I'd have to double check. I
[2:51:26] don't believe we can
[2:51:27] renegotiate this contract.
[2:51:29] That's what I'm saying. Okay,
[2:51:30] well, can we. It would be an
[2:51:32] add on. So it would be a change
[2:51:34] or or or or get an agreement
[2:51:36] with the contractor in writing
[2:51:38] that you'll you'll subject to a
[2:51:39] price. We agree to it. Tonight.
[2:51:41] We move forward. You get a
[2:51:43] price. We just I don't know. I
[2:51:44] mean, it's going to hit us
[2:51:46] anyway. I don't know. I think
[2:51:47] we just we just had a solution.
[2:51:49] Sign this contract and then we
[2:51:50] want to change order. Okay.
[2:51:52] Quickly and say it'll come back
[2:51:53] to us with a price. Right.
[2:51:55] Buyer beware. They're going to
[2:51:57] hate you. Move forward. Is
[2:52:00] there any difference in
[2:52:03] treating this cost item as an
[2:52:06] allowance and making a
[2:52:07] selection. And that cost item
[2:52:09] is applicable to that final
[2:52:10] selection, whatever it happens
[2:52:14] to be. I believe you're making
[2:52:15] a significant change to the
[2:52:16] contract. That's why my
[2:52:17] recommendation would be approve
[2:52:19] the contract and treat this as
[2:52:21] a change order request from the
[2:52:22] council, if that's the
[2:52:23] expedited way. Let's get on
[2:52:24] with it. I think that's the
[2:52:25] expedited way. And Chris, do
[2:52:27] you believe we'd have to
[2:52:28] authorize additional money for
[2:52:30] that or what do we need there?
[2:52:31] Yeah, there could potentially
[2:52:33] be a cost increase obviously
[2:52:37] for the brick pavers. We have a
[2:52:40] contingency with $24,000.25.
[2:52:43] Well that's just for the that's
[2:52:44] just for the stamp. That's just
[2:52:46] we have a larger contingency in
[2:52:47] the plot. I'm just saying
[2:52:48] that'll do for bricks. Let's
[2:52:50] just half $1 million. Half $1
[2:52:52] million. Okay. So then the only
[2:52:53] other question would be then
[2:52:55] deciding how we set it. That's
[2:52:56] that's that's an option that
[2:52:59] Chris can provide us. Sand set
[2:53:00] or concrete set. We'll let the
[2:53:02] we'll let the contract. So we
[2:53:06] go with it. And we, we are
[2:53:08] agreeing to a potential change
[2:53:10] order that. We don't know what
[2:53:13] that amount is exactly, but we
[2:53:14] need that quickly because you
[2:53:16] said they're going to do that
[2:53:17] right away and they're going to
[2:53:18] start working on that right
[2:53:20] away. So the scheduling that
[2:53:21] we've talked with the
[2:53:23] contractor was to start with
[2:53:25] the circles, start with
[2:53:26] multiple circles at one time
[2:53:29] and and do correct. But we can
[2:53:31] change. When's he going to
[2:53:32] start. We're going to do that.
[2:53:34] We were trying to get them
[2:53:35] started immediately. As soon as
[2:53:37] this is signed. That would be
[2:53:38] like to adjust the schedule now
[2:53:40] since we need to finish before
[2:53:41] the mayor's done. Okay. Really,
[2:53:42] it's one of the things we're
[2:53:44] trying to do. So consensus of
[2:53:46] council for the amendment. And
[2:53:48] then there needs to be a public
[2:53:51] hearing. Public hearing is now
[2:53:55] open. Comments. Way to go.
[2:53:57] Seeing no one come forward.
[2:53:59] Public hearing is now closed.
[2:54:01] So mayor so I understand. So we
[2:54:03] signed contracts. Can we ask
[2:54:04] them to reclaim the current
[2:54:05] bricks to potentially reclaim
[2:54:07] the bricks? We can. Okay, great.
[2:54:09] Yeah. If they're so money, sign
[2:54:11] the contract as is immediately
[2:54:13] asked once it's signed for a
[2:54:14] change order, get the quote for
[2:54:16] the change order. If it's the
[2:54:18] same, good for us, not the same.
[2:54:19] We'll come back for the
[2:54:21] additional money. I think you
[2:54:22] can control that. Readjust the
[2:54:23] readjust the schedule
[2:54:25] accordingly. I think you can
[2:54:26] control the price. Just come
[2:54:27] back and let us know what it
[2:54:29] will be. But I think you should
[2:54:31] be able to control. It's not
[2:54:32] like you're getting into some
[2:54:33] unknown condition. Sure. But
[2:54:35] it's going to be it's going to
[2:54:36] be an addition. Bricks. Yeah.
[2:54:39] Okay. Okay. All right. Council
[2:54:42] member. London. Yes. On the
[2:54:44] ordinance, as amended. And vice
[2:54:46] mayor. Yes. Council member.
[2:54:48] Stoner. Yes. Council member.
[2:54:51] Vazquez. Yes. Mayor. Roscoe.
[2:54:54] Baby. What? Yes. Thank you.
[2:54:57] Council member. Bracken.
[2:54:59] Council member. Kaplan. Yes.
[2:55:00] The ordnance is adopted on
[2:55:03] second reading, as amended. The
[2:55:05] next item is an ordinance on
[2:55:07] First Reading, an ordinance of
[2:55:09] the Village of Key Biscayne,
[2:55:12] Florida, amending section 21-11
[2:55:13] of the Village Code of
[2:55:15] Ordinances relating to the
[2:55:16] placement of gravel and other
[2:55:19] landscape materials in public
[2:55:21] rights of way providing for
[2:55:22] severability, providing for
[2:55:23] codification, providing for
[2:55:25] conflicts, and providing for an
[2:55:27] effective date. Move second.
[2:55:30] Thank you. Item properly before
[2:55:33] us, MR. Director. Good evening.
[2:55:36] So this is a relatively simple
[2:55:37] item, whereas our code
[2:55:40] currently only allows to be
[2:55:42] funny. No no no. This is a
[2:55:43] simple one. This one really is
[2:55:46] simple. The our code only
[2:55:49] allows turf in the first 3 or
[2:55:51] 6ft of the swale. This would
[2:55:56] also allow gravel. Yay! Okay.
[2:55:58] She's not even here, MISTER
[2:56:01] COUNCILMAN. For gravel. Gravel
[2:56:02] elastic. Enough. Should it? I
[2:56:06] mean, oyster shells, decorative
[2:56:08] pebbles. We're going to
[2:56:10] generate a specification that
[2:56:12] is going to be. It has to be
[2:56:14] two things. Oyster shells are
[2:56:15] not ideal because they break
[2:56:18] down over time under weight. So
[2:56:20] and we also don't want anything
[2:56:22] that's too fine that when a car
[2:56:24] travels over, it gets kicked
[2:56:25] onto the asphalt that can
[2:56:27] actually cause like basically
[2:56:30] like a sandpaper effect between
[2:56:32] the car tires and the asphalt
[2:56:34] and where the asphalt away to
[2:56:36] soon go down the drain or go
[2:56:38] down the drain. All right, so
[2:56:40] we're going to specify the
[2:56:42] product for hardness and for
[2:56:44] the size of the material. And
[2:56:46] then let people final pick
[2:56:49] their own product as long as it
[2:56:51] meets those criteria. For
[2:56:53] example, the I think we were on
[2:56:55] our Zork tour and it was, what
[2:56:58] was it? Greenwood. And there's
[2:57:01] white pebbles that are aligned.
[2:57:02] Do you remember? Yes. That
[2:57:04] would that would pass muster, I
[2:57:07] would think. I believe so.
[2:57:08] There I would defer to our
[2:57:10] public Works director whether
[2:57:12] he wants something that is
[2:57:13] angular, which tends to lock in
[2:57:15] place better than like river
[2:57:18] rock, which can slide. Skipping
[2:57:22] stones MAY not be ideal.
[2:57:25] Identified 57 rock is the sort
[2:57:28] of standard that we model it on.
[2:57:32] Is is MR. Bracken's rock, rock,
[2:57:36] rock. Right. I'll need a sample
[2:57:37] of your. It might be a little
[2:57:40] small, but you got a 52,
[2:57:42] perhaps. I probably got smaller
[2:57:44] for sure. Oh, my feet are small,
[2:57:47] so I'm sure I got to check it
[2:57:49] out. All right. Any other
[2:57:52] questions? I need to open a
[2:57:54] public hearing. Public hearing
[2:58:00] is now open. On rocks. Public
[2:58:04] hearing is now closed. Vice
[2:58:06] Mayor Sardinas, this is just on
[2:58:08] one first reading. This is just
[2:58:11] on 90. It's on first reading.
[2:58:12] But it required a public
[2:58:15] hearing, right? 90 is what I'm.
[2:58:16] Yeah, 90 is the more
[2:58:18] challenging. Okay, okay. Vice
[2:58:20] mayor sardines on nine b yes.
[2:58:23] Councilmember stoner yes.
[2:58:24] Councilmember. Vasquez. Yes.
[2:58:26] Mayor. Roscoe. Yes.
[2:58:28] Councilmember. Bracken. Yes.
[2:58:29] Councilmember. Kaplan. Yes.
[2:58:31] Councilmember. London. Yes.
[2:58:34] Okay. Yes. The irons is the
[2:58:35] ordinance is approved on first
[2:58:37] reading. The next item is an
[2:58:39] ordinance on first reading, an
[2:58:40] ordinance of the Village of Key
[2:58:42] Biscayne, Florida, amending
[2:58:44] section 5-4 of the Village Code
[2:58:46] of Ordinances relating to
[2:58:48] temporary construction, parking
[2:58:49] and maintenance standards,
[2:58:51] providing for severability,
[2:58:52] providing for codification,
[2:58:54] providing for conflicts, and
[2:58:56] providing for an effective date
[2:58:58] move. Second. Thank you.
[2:59:01] Seconded. So two review. So
[2:59:04] this is a probably more
[2:59:06] difficult challenging ordinance
[2:59:08] regarding a more difficult and
[2:59:09] challenging topic regarding
[2:59:11] swales, which is what do we do
[2:59:13] with the problem of
[2:59:15] construction parking. So right
[2:59:19] now when somebody comes in for
[2:59:20] construction site, we require
[2:59:22] them to, to have a
[2:59:23] pre-construction meeting. And
[2:59:26] we already have standards for
[2:59:28] how they deal with their own
[2:59:30] construction site, including
[2:59:32] putting gravel for a temporary
[2:59:34] basis in the swales, which is
[2:59:36] going to serve for their own
[2:59:38] parking. So what we're
[2:59:40] proposing is to basically
[2:59:43] extend that area of where they
[2:59:46] gravel to adjacent properties
[2:59:49] to provide for temporary
[2:59:52] parking spots in total. So that
[2:59:54] would be two per adjacent
[2:59:57] property. And that would
[2:59:58] because of it's in this section
[2:59:59] of the code where we already
[3:00:01] have these provisions for
[3:00:02] temporary site conditions.
[3:00:05] We've got good coverage in here
[3:00:07] for how you would do that, how
[3:00:09] the how the process works with
[3:00:11] our own code compliance staff
[3:00:14] inspecting these areas, also
[3:00:16] restoring it after the fact. So
[3:00:18] what in a nutshell, we're doing
[3:00:21] is where construction vehicles
[3:00:23] now sort of disperse in the
[3:00:24] neighborhood. We're going to
[3:00:26] try and concentrate them. That
[3:00:27] does mean the immediately
[3:00:29] adjacent property owners are
[3:00:30] going to have a little bit more
[3:00:32] pain, because they are really
[3:00:34] going to be where the parking
[3:00:36] sort of designated concentrated,
[3:00:37] but move them off the street,
[3:00:39] but move them off the street,
[3:00:41] move them off of just sort of
[3:00:42] scattering through the whole
[3:00:44] neighborhood and causing that
[3:00:45] problem, and also creating a
[3:00:47] surface that can take the
[3:00:49] beating in the short term and
[3:00:52] creating a way where that
[3:00:53] contractor team, the owner of
[3:00:54] that property is going to be
[3:00:56] responsible for restoring the
[3:00:57] landscape to the
[3:00:58] pre-construction conditions on
[3:01:00] their neighbors, where, again,
[3:01:04] we do hold folks accountable
[3:01:06] when they wreck swales and we
[3:01:08] won't give them a c oh before
[3:01:10] they do it, but there's not
[3:01:12] really a provision to say, oh,
[3:01:15] you damaged the neighbor's
[3:01:16] landscape that was in the swale.
[3:01:18] Like, we don't really have an
[3:01:19] enforcement mechanism for that.
[3:01:21] And now we would. So I do think
[3:01:23] the restoration aspect of it is,
[3:01:25] is improved with this. I would
[3:01:28] like to to offer a thought.
[3:01:30] Jeremy. Sure. When we do high
[3:01:33] rise projects, we bus people in
[3:01:35] and out of the projects. Okay.
[3:01:37] And for example, when my crews
[3:01:38] come in, they're required to
[3:01:40] drop off and go find off site
[3:01:43] parking. Okay. You know, the,
[3:01:45] the park has the I mean, I'm
[3:01:46] not going to put words in the
[3:01:48] mouth, but the Bill Baggs Park
[3:01:50] has provided this service to
[3:01:51] many of these high rise
[3:01:52] projects. When they're doing
[3:01:54] concrete restoration, there
[3:01:56] should be a means and method
[3:01:59] for the contractors with their
[3:02:00] subcontractors to be able to
[3:02:02] drop their employees and go off
[3:02:03] site parking. Okay. I
[3:02:05] appreciate the fact that I just
[3:02:07] see this as as a huge burden on
[3:02:09] the neighbor to say, hey,
[3:02:11] you're going to put two parking
[3:02:13] places in front of my house.
[3:02:14] And the concept that we're
[3:02:16] going to somehow be able to
[3:02:19] regulate the damage that's done,
[3:02:21] and then post, post
[3:02:23] reconstruction of the people's
[3:02:25] yards just sounds like a
[3:02:26] nightmare. Okay. I would just
[3:02:27] encourage them to say, you got
[3:02:30] to put your people off site and
[3:02:32] bring it back on site. And if
[3:02:33] that adds $20,000 to the
[3:02:34] construction cost of a new
[3:02:36] house in Key Biscayne, I guess
[3:02:37] that's just the way it's going
[3:02:39] to be, because I think putting
[3:02:41] those two neighbors in that
[3:02:44] dispute is going to put you
[3:02:46] enforcement guys in a huge
[3:02:48] problem. Well, it's also not
[3:02:51] fair for a person to have to
[3:02:54] live the construction of the
[3:02:56] neighbor, having the gravel in
[3:02:57] their front yard, having the
[3:02:58] parking in their front yard.
[3:03:00] It's just, it's just not fair.
[3:03:01] And, but that is what they have
[3:03:04] now. And it's legal. And we
[3:03:05] don't have a method for
[3:03:06] restoration. I just want to
[3:03:08] point that out. So I do think
[3:03:10] enforcement is is a little
[3:03:11] complicated. I also think that
[3:03:12] choosing of the adjacent
[3:03:14] property is kind of wonky,
[3:03:16] right? Who decides which
[3:03:17] property? Because it can be
[3:03:19] across the street next to you
[3:03:21] or whatnot. But I do understand
[3:03:22] as well on some of these bigger
[3:03:24] projects, I think it's easier
[3:03:25] as opposed to a residential
[3:03:27] where you have. We talked about
[3:03:28] the different tradesmen. They
[3:03:29] need their truck, they have
[3:03:32] their equipment. It gets a
[3:03:33] little bit more complex. And I
[3:03:35] think the intent here is just
[3:03:37] to move what's already
[3:03:38] happening from the middle of
[3:03:40] the street, causing traffic and
[3:03:43] issues. Now moving those trucks
[3:03:45] onto our swales, that is that's
[3:03:48] the intent. Yeah. I think the
[3:03:49] people next to the construction
[3:03:52] site are already feeling the
[3:03:54] pain. Anyway, I have friends.
[3:03:57] Yeah, I saw it happening. Yeah.
[3:03:58] Every day would drive by their
[3:04:00] house. They had construction
[3:04:01] next door. The construction
[3:04:03] went on for over a year, and we
[3:04:04] had someone complain and said
[3:04:05] they were feeling the pain.
[3:04:07] Already know every morning they
[3:04:08] would get up and they would
[3:04:09] park on the street. So the
[3:04:10] construction people couldn't
[3:04:12] park and ruined their whole
[3:04:13] front yard and live with that
[3:04:15] mud and mess and the gravel and
[3:04:18] everything for a year, 18
[3:04:18] months. The problem to the
[3:04:19] other, yeah, it creates a
[3:04:21] problem for somebody else. But
[3:04:23] I understand every homeowner
[3:04:25] who really doesn't want to do
[3:04:27] that. But one thing I will say
[3:04:29] regarding to elaborate on
[3:04:30] something that Oscar and I had
[3:04:33] discussed, it is very different
[3:04:34] between a high rise project
[3:04:35] where you've got control over
[3:04:38] the contractors, and it is the
[3:04:39] challenge where you're going to
[3:04:41] have. You might have six trades,
[3:04:44] four trades on site. And and of
[3:04:45] course, they have their tools
[3:04:48] in the truck. So you need at
[3:04:50] least one vehicle per trade
[3:04:53] that's on site. Can we could we
[3:04:55] defer this for a second? Okay.
[3:04:59] And, and ask Interscope 2 or 3
[3:05:00] of the two of the three of the
[3:05:02] major general contractors that
[3:05:03] that build out here asking for
[3:05:04] their opinion on how best to
[3:05:06] sort this out. Absolutely. Yeah.
[3:05:08] Those guys are the experts.
[3:05:09] They're dealing with it all the
[3:05:11] time. They build high end like
[3:05:14] these homes are not. No, look,
[3:05:17] we'll I'll, I will reach out to
[3:05:18] first reading. Do we want to
[3:05:20] look we were clear. And I think
[3:05:22] when we met with each one of
[3:05:23] you, we're trying to solve a
[3:05:25] problem as a challenge. So we
[3:05:26] want to start the conversation.
[3:05:28] And we don't know if this is
[3:05:30] the solution. You know, it's I
[3:05:31] think it's closer to the
[3:05:32] solution, but it might might
[3:05:35] not be it for sure. I think we
[3:05:37] need to defer it. I think you
[3:05:38] can give us direction in
[3:05:40] between to come back. Yeah.
[3:05:41] Well, but can you park on
[3:05:43] what's the best way to do the
[3:05:45] procedure on this? Should we
[3:05:46] defer it or do they give us
[3:05:48] direction and we come back? I
[3:05:49] will reach out to the
[3:05:51] contractor. So the title is
[3:05:54] amending 5.4 relating to
[3:05:54] temporary construction, parking
[3:05:56] and maintenance standards. I
[3:05:58] think that's broad enough to
[3:06:00] probably accomplish what you're
[3:06:02] saying, right. So you could get
[3:06:04] through first reading and then
[3:06:06] and then before second reading,
[3:06:08] meet with the industry experts,
[3:06:10] provide additional changes. We
[3:06:12] would be fine if you want to
[3:06:14] keep the process going. I just
[3:06:16] want to try to take the burden
[3:06:18] off the neighbors and try to
[3:06:20] try to talk to Mike and talk to
[3:06:22] other of these Toto, you know,
[3:06:23] say, come up with some ideas. I
[3:06:24] think Councilmember Bracken,
[3:06:26] the way maybe one suggestion
[3:06:28] would be you can pass it on
[3:06:29] first reading and give
[3:06:30] direction to the administration
[3:06:33] to hold an industry forum to
[3:06:34] receive feedback and
[3:06:36] suggestions before second
[3:06:38] reading. Jocelyn, as he as he
[3:06:39] amended it, please, I would
[3:06:42] amend it. And, you know, we
[3:06:43] still have a quorum. So it
[3:06:45] could be consensus of Council
[3:06:47] and Councilmember Bracken. You
[3:06:49] know, if we can't get there,
[3:06:50] we'll let you know. Right. I
[3:06:51] mean, this this is something
[3:06:53] that we needed to start a
[3:06:54] conversation, right? First one
[3:06:55] is very straightforward. I
[3:06:57] encourage this conversation. No,
[3:06:58] no, look, I appreciate we
[3:07:00] didn't had no pretense that we
[3:07:02] had solved everything here. We
[3:07:03] had the same conversation
[3:07:05] earlier. Jeremy. Yeah. Good.
[3:07:08] I'm good. You guys are good.
[3:07:10] Then we need a public hearing.
[3:07:12] If the vice mayor can open a
[3:07:14] public for public hearing,
[3:07:19] anybody. Know? People want to
[3:07:21] close public hearing? Thank you.
[3:07:23] Good job. Oscar. All right.
[3:07:24] I'll just share this for the
[3:07:26] moment. I think that this is
[3:07:29] the existing conditions are
[3:07:31] what they are. Yeah. I don't
[3:07:32] think I'll be interested in
[3:07:34] what industry feedback says. I
[3:07:36] don't see any way to avoid the
[3:07:38] burden on the neighbors. We're
[3:07:39] in a dense community. Neighbors
[3:07:41] have the right to build. When
[3:07:43] they do, there's spillover. The
[3:07:44] one thing that this does that
[3:07:47] does not exist is provide for
[3:07:48] restoration, and that is a
[3:07:50] continuing problem because
[3:07:52] there is degradation all the
[3:07:54] time because of all this
[3:07:56] construction. So I'm ready to
[3:07:59] go. I have just one last
[3:08:01] comment. If we end up going
[3:08:02] forward, ultimately with this
[3:08:07] this structure, I would I would
[3:08:11] want to have a procedure in
[3:08:14] place where you get the, the,
[3:08:17] the agreement of the neighbor
[3:08:19] that they have been properly
[3:08:21] restored instead of because I
[3:08:22] know sometimes make sure that
[3:08:24] they're happy with the
[3:08:25] restoration. That's fair. Sign
[3:08:27] off. Precio. Yeah. Something,
[3:08:29] something instead of having
[3:08:30] actually a really good look.
[3:08:32] And I think we would need to,
[3:08:34] you know, we don't have an sop
[3:08:35] for this yet, right. But we
[3:08:37] would need to extensively
[3:08:39] document the property
[3:08:40] beforehand. You know, we don't
[3:08:41] want to have anybody coming
[3:08:44] back. I had gold nuggets in my
[3:08:47] swale before. And by the way,
[3:08:49] this idea, did it come from
[3:08:50] another municipality? You saw
[3:08:52] it. How did this what was the
[3:08:53] brainchild for this? Oh, I
[3:08:54] think we were just tossing
[3:08:56] around. We know what other
[3:08:58] municipalities do. Coral Gables
[3:09:00] one of the issues we face is we
[3:09:01] have such small lots that
[3:09:03] there's not a whole lot of
[3:09:05] space to park it. Coral Gables
[3:09:06] does not allow any vehicles to
[3:09:09] park on the road, so you can't
[3:09:10] park on the swale. They have
[3:09:12] they have larger swales
[3:09:13] typically. Yeah, typically they
[3:09:14] park on the lawn. Kendall,
[3:09:17] South Miami. I haven't seen
[3:09:20] anything else. Exactly. We have
[3:09:21] Surfside residential would be
[3:09:24] about as close to us as our
[3:09:25] small house with high end homes.
[3:09:28] Yeah, yeah. Thank you though. I
[3:09:29] will look into that. I'll look
[3:09:31] into that as well to see if
[3:09:32] there's anybody else want to
[3:09:34] make sure. I know we mentioned
[3:09:36] here. I want to make sure you
[3:09:37] guys are clear that remember
[3:09:39] this is public right of way. So,
[3:09:40] you know, so we're not ongoing
[3:09:41] on anyone's property. We're
[3:09:43] going on public right of way.
[3:09:44] So, you know, getting their
[3:09:46] sign off, which is kind of a
[3:09:48] questionable, I think it sign
[3:09:50] off was for the, the no no no,
[3:09:52] I understand no, I understand
[3:09:54] now our code guys would have to
[3:09:55] be very stringent on taking
[3:09:57] pictures beforehand. Right. We
[3:09:58] have a similar ordinance in
[3:10:00] place. If someone does a cut in
[3:10:02] the road that it needs to go
[3:10:03] back to the same standard. So
[3:10:05] we require it to be, you know,
[3:10:07] take pictures in advance that
[3:10:08] they sign off. This is what it
[3:10:10] is and they need to return it
[3:10:12] to it. I just want to be clear,
[3:10:13] we're not we're not getting
[3:10:14] there right now, but we're
[3:10:16] talking about public right of
[3:10:17] way. And it is it's also worth
[3:10:19] noting this section of the code
[3:10:20] in the event that, say, a
[3:10:21] construction site is abandoned
[3:10:23] and they stop maintaining it,
[3:10:24] the village would be able to do
[3:10:26] the restoration and take care
[3:10:27] of the maintenance, because
[3:10:28] there's a provision to then
[3:10:31] bill it back to the site and,
[3:10:32] you know, it ends up with with
[3:10:34] a leaned property, that sort of
[3:10:38] thing. It's precedented though.
[3:10:41] Okay, good. Okay, okay. Thank
[3:10:44] you. So, okay. Council member
[3:10:46] stoner on the nine c, as
[3:10:49] amended. Yes. Councilmember
[3:10:52] Vazquez yes. Mayor Bosco yes.
[3:10:54] Councilmember Bracken yes.
[3:10:55] Councilmember Kaplan. Yes.
[3:10:56] Councilmember. London. Yes.
[3:10:58] Vice mayor. Yes. Yes. Is
[3:11:01] approved on first reading. The
[3:11:03] next item is a resolution of
[3:11:05] the Village Council of the
[3:11:06] Village of Key Biscayne,
[3:11:07] Florida, authorizing the
[3:11:09] village manager to negotiate
[3:11:11] and enter into a Third
[3:11:12] Amendment to the Solid Waste
[3:11:14] Collection Agreement with Great
[3:11:16] Waste and Recycling Services,
[3:11:18] llc, and providing for an
[3:11:20] effective date move. Second.
[3:11:22] Second. Thank you. Yes, sir.
[3:11:24] Yeah. Quickly. I think you
[3:11:25] heard from the sab tonight
[3:11:26] about some of the
[3:11:27] recommendations that are going
[3:11:29] to go in the rfp with this
[3:11:30] contract extension. Does is
[3:11:31] just avoid that disruption
[3:11:32] while we work on getting that
[3:11:33] solicitation issued selection
[3:11:35] panel and also transition to
[3:11:36] the new vendor. This allows us
[3:11:38] a six month window. The vendors
[3:11:39] provide us the same existing
[3:11:41] pricing that we've had, which I
[3:11:42] think is a great deal. And
[3:11:44] beyond that, if this for a
[3:11:45] reason goes beyond the six
[3:11:46] months, there's a 10% increase.
[3:11:48] If we want to go month to month.
[3:11:50] Beyond that, I don't anticipate
[3:11:51] us getting there. By that point.
[3:11:52] The solicitation should be done.
[3:11:56] Okay. Questions? No. No move.
[3:11:57] MR. Trash man. Move. You're
[3:12:00] good. Yep. All right. All those
[3:12:04] in favor? Aye. Opposed. Motion
[3:12:08] carries. The next item is a
[3:12:09] resolution of the village
[3:12:10] council of the village of Key
[3:12:12] Biscayne, Florida, providing
[3:12:15] for ratification of the 2026
[3:12:17] 2029 collective bargaining
[3:12:18] agreement between the village
[3:12:20] and the International Union of
[3:12:23] Police Associations. Afl-cio
[3:12:24] for the bargaining unit
[3:12:25] consisting of the village's
[3:12:27] police lieutenants authorizing
[3:12:29] the village manager to sign the
[3:12:30] collective bargaining agreement
[3:12:32] on behalf of the village and
[3:12:34] take all actions necessary to
[3:12:35] implement the agreement and
[3:12:37] providing for an effective date.
[3:12:41] Move. Second. Thank you. How
[3:12:44] did the Red Sox do? Well, they
[3:12:45] just had strike three and the
[3:12:47] passed ball, and we're in extra
[3:12:49] innings. Oh, they won last
[3:12:50] night though. You met last
[3:12:52] night. Oh, last night they won.
[3:12:55] Yeah. Then we don't want to
[3:12:59] hear, you know. Move. Any
[3:13:02] questions? Yeah. Yes, sir. If a
[3:13:04] employee works on a holiday, it
[3:13:06] will be double their pay. Is
[3:13:07] that double their pay plus the
[3:13:09] pay for that day. Is it triple?
[3:13:11] No. They get. We just get an
[3:13:12] extra day. They get double pay
[3:13:15] if they work the holiday. Total.
[3:13:19] Total. Gotcha. Okay. I just I'm
[3:13:20] going to restate what I've
[3:13:21] already stated, which is for
[3:13:26] article 224 and and 33.3 just
[3:13:31] to make sure that. This is for
[3:13:32] this round of negotiations.
[3:13:42] That is correct. Okay. Good. So
[3:13:44] in other words, the other thing
[3:13:50] is the Cola in 27 is zero. If
[3:13:52] -4% of higher than 4%. In other
[3:13:53] words, coal will be the Cola.
[3:13:55] But the the the limits 4%. Is
[3:13:57] that correct? That is correct.
[3:14:05] Okay. Okay. All those in favor?
[3:14:09] Aye. Opposed. Motion carries.
[3:14:13] Thank you. The next item is a
[3:14:14] resolution of the village
[3:14:15] council of the village of Key
[3:14:16] Biscayne, Florida, approving a
[3:14:18] site plan for a stormwater pump
[3:14:20] station and backup generator to
[3:14:22] be located at the northwest
[3:14:24] area of Beach Park. As further
[3:14:26] identified in exhibit a,
[3:14:27] providing for findings,
[3:14:28] providing for recording and
[3:14:30] providing for an effective date.
[3:14:36] Move. Second. Thank you. Okay.
[3:14:37] This is the second reading. The
[3:14:39] first reading was JUNE of 2025
[3:14:41] for this project. You've seen
[3:14:43] it quite a few times. Go
[3:14:45] through the presentation really
[3:14:47] quickly. It's in the Garden
[3:14:49] District. It's just outside of
[3:14:51] Beach Park. It is kind of near
[3:14:53] that Domino Plaza area. This is
[3:14:54] more of the engineering style
[3:14:58] view, but let me just jump to
[3:15:00] the site plan. The above ground
[3:15:01] portion is in blue. The below
[3:15:04] ground is in pink. We would be
[3:15:05] protecting the mature trees.
[3:15:07] That grape tree, and I think
[3:15:09] it's a black olive on the
[3:15:11] northwest side. And there would
[3:15:13] be an access road to maintain
[3:15:15] the access we use for
[3:15:17] Brightview and our landscapers
[3:15:19] kind of through that area. And
[3:15:21] they'll come in the same way
[3:15:22] into Beach Park. This is for
[3:15:23] the flooding that we
[3:15:24] experienced in Garden District,
[3:15:26] which I'm sure a lot of you
[3:15:28] know, is persistent and
[3:15:31] concentrated in this far east
[3:15:32] area of the district. There's
[3:15:34] going to be four wells, a pump
[3:15:35] station and a backup generator
[3:15:39] with the electrical platform.
[3:15:41] I'll make a motion. We approve
[3:15:43] the subject to removing the
[3:15:44] generator. I don't think the
[3:15:45] generator is necessary, MR.
[3:15:46] Mayor. I recommend we go ahead
[3:15:48] and put it out and make the
[3:15:49] generator bid alternate, and we
[3:15:51] can make the decision at the
[3:15:52] time when it comes back. I'm
[3:15:54] sorry. There was a motion.
[3:15:55] Council member London made a
[3:15:56] motion to remove the generator.
[3:15:59] I accept Steve's amendment.
[3:16:01] Okay, I second it. And the
[3:16:02] amendment. I'm sorry. Yeah.
[3:16:04] What was the amendment?
[3:16:06] Decision on the generator? Make
[3:16:07] the generator optional. Once we
[3:16:09] received the contract. Yep.
[3:16:12] Correct. And is there I don't
[3:16:13] know whether the federal
[3:16:15] government is going to make us
[3:16:16] do it. So what I read said they
[3:16:18] don't. Yeah. But they recommend
[3:16:21] it. But then so is mandatory.
[3:16:23] What. We don't want to do it
[3:16:24] while they're still working on
[3:16:26] the approval. So let's put it
[3:16:27] out. Put it out for decision.
[3:16:29] We're good. I agree with you.
[3:16:31] Let's go. And also I want to be
[3:16:33] a public hearing. Oh I have a
[3:16:34] quick question though. If we if
[3:16:36] we do that, which is fine with
[3:16:37] me. Does that require us to
[3:16:39] build the foundation for the
[3:16:41] generator? Yes. I believe what
[3:16:43] Steve's referring to is once
[3:16:45] you get the contract right,
[3:16:46] there is an alternate, then
[3:16:47] that decision would be made. We
[3:16:49] wouldn't accept a contract with
[3:16:50] the alternate and then build
[3:16:52] part of the infrastructure for
[3:16:53] the generator, but not the rest.
[3:16:54] You would make that decision in
[3:16:58] advance. Okay. I'm talking
[3:17:00] about a structural element here.
[3:17:02] I'm talking about a foundation
[3:17:04] that would have to be tied into
[3:17:06] something and would have to
[3:17:09] allow for room for it. So, I
[3:17:11] mean, I'm fine. Don't get me
[3:17:12] wrong. I'm fine with the idea
[3:17:14] of not doing it or moving it,
[3:17:16] pushing it. But I want to know
[3:17:17] that if eventually that's
[3:17:18] decided, what what does that
[3:17:20] mean for the contractor and the
[3:17:21] engineer and who's designing
[3:17:23] this? So for and I want to
[3:17:25] bring it back. So what we're
[3:17:26] doing tonight is site plan
[3:17:28] approval. Yes, sir. And so
[3:17:30] anything that would have less
[3:17:32] intensity, for instance, if we
[3:17:34] took the generator out, which
[3:17:35] is sort of the main concern
[3:17:36] from our standpoint from from
[3:17:39] an esthetic site plan approval
[3:17:41] would be less intrusive. And we
[3:17:43] the site plan would be in
[3:17:45] effect. And the location of
[3:17:47] that generator also, and the
[3:17:48] where that foundation is
[3:17:51] located doesn't impact the
[3:17:53] underground component. So it's
[3:17:56] like separate enough. But if we
[3:17:57] didn't have the generator, we
[3:17:58] wouldn't have to build the, the
[3:17:59] whole structure for the
[3:18:01] generator. That's where there's,
[3:18:03] there's like the dunnage that
[3:18:04] lifts up the generator. That's
[3:18:05] correct. You wouldn't need the
[3:18:07] foundation and you wouldn't
[3:18:09] need the. So then that could be.
[3:18:11] Then all that would be swept
[3:18:13] out. All that would be right.
[3:18:15] But tonight we're just doing
[3:18:17] site plan approval, trying to
[3:18:19] keep us focused. Yes. Keep us
[3:18:21] focused. Got it. Man, we
[3:18:22] recognize that Council Member
[3:18:24] Vazquez and the bid alternate
[3:18:26] will and will include that
[3:18:28] being as an alternate the
[3:18:30] structure that holds the
[3:18:31] generator as well. Okay. Fair
[3:18:34] enough. Thank you. Yeah. Just a
[3:18:37] motion. Just. Is it consensus
[3:18:40] of Council for. Yes. Yes.
[3:18:42] London's final with Steve's.
[3:18:45] Steve's alternate London slash
[3:18:46] Williamson. I think there's two
[3:18:48] things. One, you approve the
[3:18:50] site plan. Two, you probably
[3:18:51] need to give me guidance
[3:18:53] separate from the site plan is
[3:18:55] very strict. Site plan? Yes. No.
[3:18:56] If you want to give me formal
[3:18:59] guidance to do a contract with
[3:19:01] a bid alternate, I believe that
[3:19:02] would need to be a second. We
[3:19:05] need to do a item. Yeah. I mean,
[3:19:07] I think you have two items here.
[3:19:08] You have approval of the site
[3:19:10] plan, which is going to have
[3:19:11] everything right. And then
[3:19:13] there would be a separate
[3:19:15] motion to direct. Steve. So we
[3:19:17] made one motion to approve the
[3:19:18] site plan. Now we need a second.
[3:19:20] We need a public hearing first
[3:19:21] if you're on the site plan.
[3:19:23] Speaking of the site plan,
[3:19:25] public hearing is now open.
[3:19:28] Bret you're it. Okay. On the
[3:19:30] site plan. Public hearing is
[3:19:36] now closed. Thank. Thank you.
[3:19:39] Just for the record, I you know,
[3:19:42] this idea that we go
[3:19:43] underground, we will never have
[3:19:45] an outage. Ever. Never say
[3:19:48] never, ever, never ever. We're
[3:19:49] never going to have an outage.
[3:19:52] Never, never, never. So never
[3:19:55] say never. I, I, I'm just for
[3:19:57] the record, you know, let let's
[3:19:59] caution everyone that there MAY
[3:20:02] be outages in the future. Yes.
[3:20:03] Yeah, sure. Of course. But you
[3:20:05] know this even though there's
[3:20:08] no data or no one has proved
[3:20:10] that that this is true. But we
[3:20:12] keep regurgitating the same
[3:20:14] thing. But anyway, the point is
[3:20:16] to come back with an alternate.
[3:20:17] Then we make a decision. The
[3:20:19] fact that you agreed with Steve,
[3:20:21] I mean, it's like, this is must
[3:20:22] be a mistake, you know? Can you
[3:20:23] withdraw that, please? It's
[3:20:25] like a phased project. Okay.
[3:20:27] All right. Let's keep going.
[3:20:28] All right. No problem. I'm
[3:20:30] sorry. Just for the minutes
[3:20:32] afterwards, come back with an
[3:20:35] alternative. What? Bids it out
[3:20:37] with an option? Bids? Bids.
[3:20:39] Bids it out with an option? Yes.
[3:20:40] Just like we're doing on the on
[3:20:42] the trash option generator. No
[3:20:45] generator. Thank you. So
[3:20:46] consensus of council for that
[3:20:47] amendment. Good enough, MR.
[3:20:50] Attorney. Yep. Okay. Okay. So
[3:20:52] for ten c, as amended. All
[3:20:56] those in favor? Aye. Opposed.
[3:21:01] Motion carries. Ten. We're done.
[3:21:04] What? No. Well, MR. Mayor, my
[3:21:06] presence is required somewhere.
[3:21:08] I'm going to excuse myself.
[3:21:11] Okay. Have a good night, Frank.
[3:21:13] You're still nine, Frank. In
[3:21:18] the 11th. The village manager's
[3:21:22] report is there. Oh, I have
[3:21:24] something. You have something I
[3:21:26] gotta look and see what's left.
[3:21:27] Are you moving to mayor and
[3:21:29] council members or the village
[3:21:31] manager's report? I'm jumping
[3:21:33] to mayor and council members to
[3:21:35] see. Okay, status of improving
[3:21:38] our website to facilitate ease
[3:21:40] of searches for documents and
[3:21:41] information. Council member
[3:21:44] stoner, your item just. I don't
[3:21:45] have my paperwork in front of
[3:21:47] me. Just I just wanted to
[3:21:49] report that we're working on it.
[3:21:51] There's. Is that Jessica? There
[3:21:53] she is that Jessica? Yes it is.
[3:21:54] Okay. You can come up and speak
[3:21:57] to that, if you wouldn't mind.
[3:21:58] Oh, I found your notes here,
[3:21:59] but you're better at that than
[3:22:01] me. Good evening, Jessica. Good
[3:22:03] evening. So we're looking into
[3:22:05] different ai bots that could
[3:22:07] help us with the search. We we
[3:22:08] recognize that the search
[3:22:10] capability on the website is
[3:22:13] less than terrible. And
[3:22:15] hopefully with all the new ai
[3:22:16] technology that we have, we
[3:22:18] just want to make sure we find
[3:22:19] the right fit and that it fits
[3:22:21] all the protocols and laws that
[3:22:22] that exist. There's a bunch of
[3:22:24] them out there and they keep
[3:22:25] calling us. So we're picking
[3:22:27] and choosing and looking at all
[3:22:29] of that. And we're also going
[3:22:31] to do a test run with our
[3:22:32] vendor that's for our website
[3:22:33] right now. And they'll give us
[3:22:36] an opportunity to learn what
[3:22:39] options are out there. And
[3:22:42] while you're there, can we also,
[3:22:48] MR. Mayor, do number three? Yes.
[3:22:49] Establishment and maintenance
[3:22:50] of a section of the village
[3:22:52] website for disability and
[3:22:54] inclusion services and programs.
[3:22:57] Council member stoner Jessica,
[3:22:59] would you we launched a new
[3:23:00] page on the website that's for
[3:23:01] accessibility. And the idea is
[3:23:03] to put all the different
[3:23:04] offerings that we have
[3:23:05] specifically to Key Biscayne.
[3:23:07] One of the goals of the website
[3:23:09] is we try to keep things as Key
[3:23:11] Biscayne centric as possible.
[3:23:12] So not putting every
[3:23:14] organization, every company
[3:23:16] that exists, county or state
[3:23:18] wide or countrywide because we
[3:23:19] want to keep it very key
[3:23:20] Biscayne centric. But we do
[3:23:22] offer a lot here, and we wanted
[3:23:24] it all in one place. And if you
[3:23:26] want to go and look for it,
[3:23:27] it's on the footer of every
[3:23:29] single page, the very bottom,
[3:23:30] you'll see the word
[3:23:31] accessibility. And it's also
[3:23:33] Key
[3:23:34] biscayne.Fl.Gov/accessibility.
[3:23:35] And you'll get right there.
[3:23:37] It's great. You've made great
[3:23:38] progress in that. There's still
[3:23:40] a couple of issues I just want
[3:23:41] to ask you about keeping it Key
[3:23:43] Biscayne only. Is that just a
[3:23:45] policy that that we have in
[3:23:46] general about the website? It's
[3:23:47] not a hard policy. There are a
[3:23:49] few pages, but we get a lot. I
[3:23:51] mean, Jocelyn can attest to
[3:23:53] this. We get a lot of emails
[3:23:55] from rehab kind of facilities
[3:23:56] and things, and it makes it
[3:23:58] easier to explain why we can't
[3:24:00] put every single thing out
[3:24:02] there. If we have a system, it
[3:24:04] it also is hard to say, well,
[3:24:06] we put it on our website, but
[3:24:07] it's not here. We don't have
[3:24:09] any access to it. We don't have
[3:24:10] any way of getting you there.
[3:24:12] But, you know, we're promoting
[3:24:15] it in a way. Right? So is there
[3:24:21] would it be okay if you put
[3:24:22] things that were not Key
[3:24:24] Biscayne centric, that the
[3:24:27] disability board felt were
[3:24:29] important enough to make people
[3:24:33] aware of? I think if it was at
[3:24:34] their recommendation, let's say
[3:24:36] a soft yes, like it depends,
[3:24:37] you know, it would depend on
[3:24:39] what it is. And I think one of
[3:24:40] the things that's important to
[3:24:42] council member is there's a lot
[3:24:44] of people doing this. And so
[3:24:46] we're going to have to have a
[3:24:47] clear vetting process. And I
[3:24:48] think the answer is, yes, we
[3:24:50] can do it, but we're going to
[3:24:52] have to have a process to vet
[3:24:53] it. Okay. So what do you
[3:24:54] recommend? Do you recommend
[3:24:56] that the I don't know what that
[3:24:58] would be, but I think we, you
[3:24:59] know, we've got to be very
[3:25:01] careful what we put out there
[3:25:02] because a lot of people are
[3:25:04] coming out with these programs.
[3:25:05] And, and maybe that is the
[3:25:06] Disability Advisory board, but
[3:25:07] it's not something that Jessica
[3:25:09] could pick and say, oh, no, I
[3:25:11] understand. But when I go back
[3:25:12] to the disability board, should
[3:25:13] I tell them, speak with you,
[3:25:17] speak with Juan. Speak with,
[3:25:18] give their suggestion, give
[3:25:20] their suggestions, and then
[3:25:21] speak with Jessica. And then
[3:25:23] Juan and I will we'll talk
[3:25:24] through it. Look, we're going
[3:25:25] to take, you know, in most
[3:25:26] cases, we're going to take
[3:25:28] their advice. You know, they
[3:25:29] they know this better than we.
[3:25:31] But we'll also take a look at
[3:25:32] it to make. Okay, great. Thank
[3:25:34] you. This is, you know, we're
[3:25:35] we're entering into new
[3:25:36] frontiers. We don't want to
[3:25:38] send people in places that we
[3:25:39] don't want to send people. And
[3:25:41] number five, I think we pulled
[3:25:42] that, didn't we? Yes. You had
[3:25:44] deferred that. So the next item
[3:25:46] would be Council meeting agenda
[3:25:48] order. Council member Bracken.
[3:25:49] Yeah. Just quickly I've been
[3:25:51] working with Steve to come up
[3:25:53] with a what, what we basically
[3:25:54] call an operational chart.
[3:25:57] Steve, to move forward. Where
[3:25:59] are we on that chart? It's
[3:26:02] actually in your packet. Okay.
[3:26:04] Item number one in the
[3:26:09] manager's report at 1717. The
[3:26:18] other tab 17. Oh. Oh exhibit a,
[3:26:19] this is fully comprehensive.
[3:26:21] Obviously, we can modify it in
[3:26:23] a way that works best. Exhibit
[3:26:28] a look at the today's agenda.
[3:26:30] So the idea with this was to
[3:26:32] get this up in front, to keep
[3:26:34] the community and the council
[3:26:37] just where we are on status of
[3:26:39] of projects. And I think this
[3:26:40] is something that we could
[3:26:41] review in the front of our
[3:26:43] meeting to basically let the
[3:26:45] community know where we are.
[3:26:46] And I think this would be a
[3:26:48] good idea to move this to the
[3:26:50] front of the meeting versus to
[3:26:52] the tail end, because it also
[3:26:53] reminds us of all the projects
[3:26:55] that we're currently working on,
[3:26:56] keeping the community informed.
[3:26:58] So if we could move this to the
[3:27:00] front of the meeting. I'm sorry.
[3:27:02] What? What's it look like? This.
[3:27:04] This chart should be shown. Yes.
[3:27:05] This chart should be shown
[3:27:08] every meeting at the the first
[3:27:09] basically the first start right
[3:27:10] before public comment. Before.
[3:27:13] Before. Before. Right after.
[3:27:14] Public comment. Before. Consent.
[3:27:17] Before consent agenda. Yes. The
[3:27:18] exhibit e, is that what you're
[3:27:22] exhibit a, exhibit a 17. Yeah.
[3:27:24] So in this. Oh, can I ask a
[3:27:25] question? Yeah, absolutely.
[3:27:28] This is when this comes up,
[3:27:30] what I've been trying to do and
[3:27:32] what I would do if we had this
[3:27:33] is highlight what I brought up
[3:27:35] at the last meeting or two
[3:27:37] meetings ago where we are with
[3:27:39] it. And so we don't have to go
[3:27:41] through the, you know, the
[3:27:42] entire thing we kind of
[3:27:43] highlight. That's a really good
[3:27:45] point. That's the that's the
[3:27:48] intent. Nancy. I think that's a
[3:27:51] great idea. So so this, this is
[3:27:53] operationally focused. This
[3:27:56] isn't necessarily going back on
[3:28:01] council action items, right? I
[3:28:03] mean, we, I mean, we, we take
[3:28:05] your directives and come back
[3:28:06] with them. I mean, that's
[3:28:08] usually you'll usually see that
[3:28:11] if we haven't spoken with you
[3:28:12] individually, you'll usually
[3:28:13] see that as part of the
[3:28:14] manager's report. Like, you
[3:28:16] know, you know, many times your
[3:28:19] items that are on council
[3:28:20] members comments are actually
[3:28:21] in the manager's report. So,
[3:28:23] you know, we, we take those
[3:28:25] directives seriously and we add
[3:28:27] those to the manager report. So
[3:28:28] I guess the question is, is
[3:28:30] this a follow up on the
[3:28:32] directives or is this an update
[3:28:35] on operational progress? Well,
[3:28:39] go ahead. Is walk me through.
[3:28:40] So because this is going to be
[3:28:42] repetitive. Right, right. To a
[3:28:43] certain extent. Right. So walk
[3:28:45] me through what happens. We we
[3:28:46] just finished public comments.
[3:28:48] And now this is up on the
[3:28:50] screen. Right. What's next? I
[3:28:52] guess, I guess the intention is
[3:28:54] to have a status report of
[3:28:56] where we are on projects. Okay.
[3:28:58] So fundamentally where we are
[3:29:00] on a project, you'd agree that
[3:29:01] month to month, there's not a
[3:29:02] lot of change on many of these.
[3:29:04] That's correct. So it should it
[3:29:06] should be, you know, I would
[3:29:08] only a real highlight.
[3:29:09] Something's changed or
[3:29:10] something changed. Yes. Okay.
[3:29:12] So that we we set, we set that.
[3:29:14] So we're aware. Okay. And that
[3:29:15] the community is aware. Okay.
[3:29:17] So if you're talking about
[3:29:18] highlighting what there's a
[3:29:19] change or something we have to
[3:29:22] look at, or do we then show the
[3:29:24] whole thing or do we just show
[3:29:26] the ones that there is? I mean,
[3:29:27] there's a material change where
[3:29:28] there's a material change. I
[3:29:30] think we should see a color
[3:29:31] code issues, problems not
[3:29:32] started, for example, issues
[3:29:33] and problems. Correct. This
[3:29:35] might be too detailed. It might
[3:29:36] be it might be too detailed.
[3:29:38] This was I mean, people are
[3:29:39] asking me and I'm sure they're
[3:29:41] asking you, are we
[3:29:42] undergrounding zone eight? Are
[3:29:44] we as undergrounding zone one?
[3:29:46] So where are we? Are we
[3:29:48] approved? So you kind of need
[3:29:51] just that. So this is the idea
[3:29:52] here was to start this
[3:29:54] discussion. Okay. To get to
[3:29:56] come up with some format that
[3:29:58] Steve could help work on that
[3:30:00] we could deliver. Okay. And I,
[3:30:01] I wasn't expecting, I wasn't
[3:30:02] expecting to have the solution
[3:30:05] tonight. Okay. I was expecting
[3:30:06] to have feedback from you guys
[3:30:08] so that we could all come up.
[3:30:10] And there MAY be things that
[3:30:11] Benjamin wants to put on this
[3:30:12] list. Okay. Financial stuff,
[3:30:14] but where we are. So it's the
[3:30:16] idea is to is to have a, for
[3:30:18] all intents and purposes, a
[3:30:20] roadmap for where we are going
[3:30:22] and what we're doing. Okay, so
[3:30:24] I might see value in something
[3:30:27] like this with less detail
[3:30:28] bulleted, but then focusing on
[3:30:30] the things you feel that you
[3:30:32] need our attention, a change,
[3:30:34] an issue, a problem. You have a
[3:30:37] color coding already here, but
[3:30:39] to see this month to month to
[3:30:41] month to me is going to be a
[3:30:42] lot of repetition. And
[3:30:43] eventually what will happen?
[3:30:44] It'll just lose all of our
[3:30:46] interest. Is it? Isn't this so?
[3:30:49] I want it to mean something. Is
[3:30:52] this for us or is this for the
[3:30:54] public to understand the the
[3:30:55] progress that we're making is
[3:30:58] both, okay. It's I mean, it's
[3:30:59] also a certain amount of
[3:31:00] holding ourselves accountable
[3:31:02] and, and administration
[3:31:03] accountable and also giving the
[3:31:04] community sort of an update
[3:31:06] like what's happening. Okay,
[3:31:08] you know, where are we on zone
[3:31:10] one undergrounding? Where are
[3:31:11] we on zone eight underground?
[3:31:12] Where, where, you know, what's
[3:31:16] the status? Okay, quickly so
[3:31:17] that we can get that out in
[3:31:18] front of the community. Right?
[3:31:20] And maybe this goes into the
[3:31:21] newspaper, you know, I don't
[3:31:22] not sure. It's just, you know,
[3:31:24] something that's out there. I
[3:31:25] mean, Joe writes these great.
[3:31:26] How about how about quarterly
[3:31:27] as opposed to monthly?
[3:31:29] Quarterly is fine. I mean, it
[3:31:30] just I just think it's
[3:31:32] important to have some working
[3:31:34] agenda. That's an upfront that
[3:31:36] we review every meeting. I
[3:31:38] think it's a great idea. And I
[3:31:39] think that one of the things
[3:31:41] you would see is if there's a
[3:31:42] change that month, you'd have
[3:31:44] the whole thing and then river
[3:31:45] change that month being a
[3:31:46] different color or highlighted
[3:31:47] or something. So you know where
[3:31:49] we're going, right? What are
[3:31:50] you interpreting? What are you
[3:31:54] hearing, Steve? Well, confusion.
[3:31:56] No, no, I'm not hearing
[3:31:58] confusion. No, I, you know,
[3:31:59] there's a lot of things on here
[3:32:01] and purposely a lot of things
[3:32:03] on here. I, you know, I, I, you
[3:32:05] know, I wanted to again
[3:32:08] instigate the conversation.
[3:32:09] Obviously this will take a long
[3:32:11] time and we don't want to do
[3:32:12] this highlights, you know,
[3:32:15] updates we could we could do. I
[3:32:17] did also hear some other folks
[3:32:18] mentioning that they would like
[3:32:19] updates on the directives as
[3:32:21] well. We do try to do that in
[3:32:23] the manager's report. I don't
[3:32:24] know whether we want a separate
[3:32:26] report on that. So I'm trying
[3:32:28] to get exactly we're not
[3:32:29] getting exactly the first time,
[3:32:31] but trying to get closer to
[3:32:32] what it is that we're looking
[3:32:34] for. The problem with the meant
[3:32:35] doing not including the
[3:32:37] manager's report on here is
[3:32:39] that no one's here now, and the
[3:32:40] manager's report is at the end.
[3:32:42] Well, that's why he's asking to
[3:32:43] do this upfront. But that's why
[3:32:45] I'm saying, you know, to make
[3:32:46] sure to include some of the
[3:32:47] manager's the important action
[3:32:49] items in the manager's report
[3:32:52] in here. Right. Many of them
[3:32:53] are okay. Many of them are. I
[3:32:56] mean, not not to the level of
[3:32:57] the updating of the code of
[3:32:58] conduct. That's that's not in
[3:33:00] here, but just, I would say
[3:33:02] probably 80% of what's in the
[3:33:03] manager's report is in here.
[3:33:08] Okay. To some degree. Okay. Are
[3:33:11] we are we working towards
[3:33:11] understanding what we're we're
[3:33:13] trying to do guys feel like
[3:33:16] this helpful or not helpful?
[3:33:18] Helpful. But I, I think we need
[3:33:20] a couple of trial balloons.
[3:33:23] Absolutely. So we've got it all
[3:33:24] here and now it's bringing it
[3:33:26] down and tightening it up. Yeah.
[3:33:28] And so, and what I'm, what I'm
[3:33:30] hearing is for sure issues.
[3:33:32] Okay. Flag. And we don't have a
[3:33:33] problem with moving it up into
[3:33:36] the agenda. No. As long as it's
[3:33:38] not the way it is now. Concise.
[3:33:40] Right, right. All right. So so
[3:33:43] that, you know, I don't know,
[3:33:46] Steve, is it ten items or is it
[3:33:49] 15 items? I mean, look, that's
[3:33:50] a good question. I mean, a lot
[3:33:52] of the times they're set up for
[3:33:54] the decisions that you all are
[3:33:55] going to have to make in a
[3:33:57] couple of months. So that's
[3:33:58] some of what this is. It's it's
[3:34:00] teeing things up in one way.
[3:34:02] It's also, you know, letting
[3:34:05] the community know that it's
[3:34:06] coming up as well. So maybe
[3:34:08] it's something that's occurring
[3:34:12] in the next 2 to 4 months. The
[3:34:14] good thing about it is because
[3:34:15] we get the agenda, we can
[3:34:17] advance Council can highlight
[3:34:18] whatever they would like to
[3:34:20] bring up for discussion.
[3:34:21] Meanwhile, the whole public has
[3:34:23] it, but just not for discussion.
[3:34:25] But to note this happened. That
[3:34:27] happened. We made this move.
[3:34:28] Yeah. Without having to go.
[3:34:30] Yeah. You know, item by item. I
[3:34:32] think it also to your point,
[3:34:33] before it facilitates our
[3:34:35] ability to inform residents
[3:34:37] which of which we are out there
[3:34:40] in, in, in the neighborhood
[3:34:41] talking about these things. And
[3:34:42] the question does come up,
[3:34:44] what's going on with the trees?
[3:34:45] What's going on with the, you
[3:34:47] know, the jungle gym here in
[3:34:48] the pool, the conflict, at
[3:34:50] least I think I hear the
[3:34:51] conflict in your voices is how
[3:34:53] much, right, right. How much
[3:34:55] and, and what gets flagged.
[3:34:57] Right, right. So remember
[3:34:58] though, there's seven of you in
[3:34:59] this, probably every single one
[3:35:01] of these in one way or another.
[3:35:03] You guys have asked me probably
[3:35:04] in the last two weeks. Right.
[3:35:05] So that's where the conflict.
[3:35:08] The other part is procedurally
[3:35:09] remember, you know, we have to
[3:35:11] make sure we do the business at
[3:35:12] the council meeting. So we'd
[3:35:15] have to really narrow in on
[3:35:17] what we would want to present
[3:35:21] up front. Well, yes, the, the,
[3:35:22] the person running the meeting
[3:35:25] has to say you're going off
[3:35:28] tangent and you, you're, you've
[3:35:30] got, you know, you're
[3:35:32] discussing stuff that important,
[3:35:35] but still not coming up yet.
[3:35:37] Right. And look, and that's
[3:35:38] something. You mean at the
[3:35:40] meeting. Yeah. Yeah. I think I
[3:35:42] don't even think we should go
[3:35:43] through. We should say here it
[3:35:46] is. And somebody if you have a
[3:35:48] real problem, you. Well, some
[3:35:50] even there's even a you there's
[3:35:51] sections that say decision
[3:35:55] needed, for example, or, or, or
[3:35:57] an issue. Right. Needed isn't
[3:35:59] isn't isn't that weak. No, no.
[3:36:00] I understand at some point.
[3:36:02] Yeah. But we're already but we
[3:36:04] have a top of mind or doing our
[3:36:06] to do our homework to be able
[3:36:08] to give the decision when it's
[3:36:09] time to make it or ask
[3:36:10] questions or ask questions.
[3:36:12] Correct. So it's a flag
[3:36:14] decision, decision or decision
[3:36:16] requested or directive needed,
[3:36:18] right. The info only now is
[3:36:20] just an update. It's just look,
[3:36:22] it's it's going. So maybe we.
[3:36:23] And that's going to be
[3:36:23] repetitive month over month.
[3:36:25] Maybe we just focus on the
[3:36:26] decision needed items. Well,
[3:36:28] there was another one he
[3:36:29] mentioned just now directives
[3:36:30] directive same thing. Direction
[3:36:32] requested okay. Direction
[3:36:33] requested. Or those are the
[3:36:35] ones that we need to be
[3:36:37] focusing on. Yeah. Okay. It
[3:36:38] also gives us foresight of
[3:36:40] what's coming that's in the
[3:36:41] agenda before we even get the
[3:36:42] agenda. That's the intention
[3:36:44] and how we want to prioritize
[3:36:46] it. But I do like that you have
[3:36:47] prioritized as well, because
[3:36:48] that is also the ones that tell
[3:36:50] you status though, too. You
[3:36:51] know, I think going back to
[3:36:52] what Nancy said about the
[3:36:54] status of zone eight, yeah, I
[3:36:55] would imagine that is probably
[3:36:59] an info. I think it's
[3:37:00] underground. Well, there's the
[3:37:01] underground zone eight. It says
[3:37:02] decision needed. Okay. Probably.
[3:37:04] Yeah. Because we we need to go
[3:37:05] forward to it, you know, to
[3:37:08] approve the a a t t contract.
[3:37:09] Yes. Right. Yeah. So that's,
[3:37:10] that's a decision that's needed.
[3:37:12] Okay. I think that's a great
[3:37:14] idea. And I think everyone's
[3:37:16] going to get a lot out of that.
[3:37:17] Yeah. Well done Mike. I mean
[3:37:19] and Steve and Steve and Mike.
[3:37:21] Brett, since you're here and
[3:37:22] you're going to be the future
[3:37:23] mayor, you got any comments
[3:37:25] about this? Because this is
[3:37:26] something that the intention is
[3:37:28] to help to sit down. Okay, cool.
[3:37:33] Thank you. Is there a decision
[3:37:36] made? I just wanted direction.
[3:37:37] Was it were you all just
[3:37:38] discussing it now? We're still
[3:37:40] just having a discussion. It's
[3:37:42] the first iteration. We think
[3:37:44] it's too much and it needs to
[3:37:45] be tightened up a bit. And
[3:37:47] decision is continue to refine.
[3:37:48] Yeah. Yes, we feel comfortable
[3:37:49] with that direction. Yes. You
[3:37:50] need more detail. No you're
[3:37:51] good. All right. Councilmember
[3:37:53] Bracket and I will sit down.
[3:37:54] Thank you. Thanks, Steve, for
[3:37:56] your yeah. That's a great job.
[3:38:01] Yeah. If if we adopted Mister
[3:38:03] Attorney, do we have to change
[3:38:06] some something in our regs? I
[3:38:09] need to check the resolution
[3:38:10] for the council procedures, but
[3:38:12] I think we might be able to
[3:38:15] just add it. Yeah, but I'll
[3:38:17] confirm that. The clerk could
[3:38:18] also ask if it would be by
[3:38:20] ordinance, if anything would be
[3:38:25] by resolution. So. Sounds good.
[3:38:27] Anything else? Just just so
[3:38:29] we're clear on the schedule,
[3:38:31] the rra council workshop is
[3:38:33] going to get changed to most
[3:38:35] likely to that site. The site
[3:38:37] plan for. Well, we'll have to
[3:38:38] change. That's a long meeting.
[3:38:40] Both of them are going to be
[3:38:41] long meetings. So let the mayor
[3:38:43] and I kind of sit down do it on
[3:38:45] separate days, figure out. Yeah,
[3:38:46] because we have resilient
[3:38:47] Infrastructure program and the
[3:38:49] Zork, both of those meetings by
[3:38:51] themselves are going to be are
[3:38:52] those topics are going to be
[3:38:54] pretty large. We can't do that
[3:38:56] on top of a workshop. I'm just
[3:38:59] I'm out of town from 28 to the
[3:39:01] to the seventh to the sixth. So
[3:39:02] I, I, I'm here for the budget
[3:39:04] meeting. I'm just here for the
[3:39:05] budget meeting. No, well, we
[3:39:06] just went on vacation for two
[3:39:08] weeks. I can't go on vacation.
[3:39:09] He's the mayor. No, we weren't
[3:39:11] meeting Mike. You've been here
[3:39:14] for two weeks, Mike. Like, just
[3:39:16] I mean, we're not talking about
[3:39:17] doing anything before the 10th
[3:39:18] anyway. Well, it will be after
[3:39:20] the 10th. Okay, good. I'm fine.
[3:39:21] Yeah, we're. Yeah, we wouldn't
[3:39:23] be ready until the 10th. So
[3:39:26] it'll be after the 10th. Okay.
[3:39:27] Anything for the good of the
[3:39:29] order? Only of the village
[3:39:31] manager's report. If you had
[3:39:35] anything, any of your 30. I
[3:39:37] think each one we've met with
[3:39:38] you about what we are with
[3:39:39] street light status. Just a
[3:39:43] real quick update. So we have
[3:39:46] now identified that there are
[3:39:48] 175 plus or minus lights in the
[3:39:50] Special Taxing district. We own
[3:39:53] approximately 245 lights
[3:39:55] ourselves, and the photometric
[3:39:56] study that came out says we
[3:39:59] need approximately 550 new
[3:40:02] lights. Our original plan was
[3:40:03] to move forward with special
[3:40:05] taxing district and our lights,
[3:40:07] and to transfer them to fpl.
[3:40:09] With that many lights that are
[3:40:10] short, we think we want to
[3:40:11] switch. And this is where I
[3:40:13] need your direction. Switch to
[3:40:16] moving forward on the shortfall,
[3:40:18] putting them ahead of the other
[3:40:19] in transfer, because we'll
[3:40:20] actually be moving to put more
[3:40:23] lights in. That number is still
[3:40:24] a work in progress. And it
[3:40:28] really comes down to how much
[3:40:30] coverage we actually want,
[3:40:32] because we all know in the
[3:40:34] northwest corner of the village,
[3:40:36] there are no lights. At the
[3:40:38] same time there. There are
[3:40:41] roads that have two lights that
[3:40:44] might need three lights. And so
[3:40:45] I don't know whether we want to
[3:40:47] get to that level of detail
[3:40:49] that it looks like it was
[3:40:50] purposely left, that we didn't
[3:40:51] put too many lights in the
[3:40:52] village because we, you know,
[3:40:54] at the same time, they looked
[3:40:58] at it from a safety perspective.
[3:40:59] So that's something that we
[3:41:01] want to bring back. We don't
[3:41:02] need to make that decision
[3:41:03] tonight. But what I need from
[3:41:05] you all is direction to if we
[3:41:07] want to move forward on the
[3:41:08] report, not the replacement.
[3:41:11] Excuse me. New lights, new
[3:41:13] lights in hot spots. Yes. And
[3:41:15] and well and gaps. Right where
[3:41:17] we're missing lights. Yes. In
[3:41:18] dark areas. I don't understand
[3:41:20] you. Go ahead. I'm talking. I
[3:41:21] just I just also want to
[3:41:22] understand the financial
[3:41:24] ramifications. So are we
[3:41:26] talking about $4 million, $5
[3:41:28] million, $6 million? What are
[3:41:30] we talking about as far as
[3:41:32] expense to proceed with this
[3:41:33] thought? You actually got there
[3:41:35] very closely. Yeah, because I
[3:41:36] thought that's the number. So
[3:41:38] it is. So right now look, the
[3:41:39] numbers are approximate. I
[3:41:41] think it's actually 546. Sorry.
[3:41:43] That's for the gap 500 for the
[3:41:45] gap. Correct. But that's,
[3:41:46] that's basing it on whether or
[3:41:48] not we agree that 500 is the
[3:41:50] true gap. To your point.
[3:41:52] There's a gap maybe
[3:41:53] intentionally up until today. I
[3:41:55] do believe it's smart to start
[3:41:56] with the gap because that's
[3:41:57] where we're missing lights. I
[3:41:59] don't know if we need 500. I
[3:42:00] think that could seriously
[3:42:02] change the entire fabric of the
[3:42:04] island. And I think the intent
[3:42:05] of having that gap might have
[3:42:06] been intentional from the
[3:42:09] beginning. So if the number for
[3:42:11] 500 is 6 million, let's say,
[3:42:13] can we start with the gap and
[3:42:14] then see where we go there and
[3:42:16] continue to see? Yes. And look,
[3:42:18] and this was, you know, we got
[3:42:19] the presentation last Thursday.
[3:42:21] And what they gave us was what
[3:42:22] we asked them, what is our gap?
[3:42:24] What is our shortfall? What do
[3:42:26] we need to meet streetlight
[3:42:28] compliance. And that came up to
[3:42:30] 546. Now if we want to
[3:42:34] compliance standard streetlight
[3:42:36] planning, you know, we don't
[3:42:37] necessarily have to follow. No
[3:42:38] we don't. There's no law that
[3:42:40] says we have to do it. It's
[3:42:41] just, you know, they went
[3:42:42] through in the entire village
[3:42:43] did, did the measurements of
[3:42:45] our lights, you know, and the
[3:42:46] coverage and said, if you were
[3:42:48] to have full coverage, you need
[3:42:50] 546 lights. Chris, can I ask a
[3:42:54] question, please? Do we have an
[3:42:57] example of a street that's
[3:42:59] compliant? Yes, yes we do. The
[3:43:00] metrics that we're taking would
[3:43:02] show us streets that are
[3:43:04] compliant, and where there are
[3:43:05] the shortfalls and the areas
[3:43:07] that we don't have any street
[3:43:08] lights whatsoever. Could you
[3:43:09] tell us what street that is?
[3:43:11] Sorry. Yeah, I'd have to go
[3:43:12] back and look in the
[3:43:13] presentation at the metrics to
[3:43:15] see. So just if I threw out
[3:43:17] some street names with just so
[3:43:18] is Island Drive, for example,
[3:43:22] compliant Island Drive, give me
[3:43:23] one second. We can start with
[3:43:26] you. Okay. I think it's a late
[3:43:28] night. We have a really
[3:43:30] impressive photometric study
[3:43:33] that you can zoom in, zoom out,
[3:43:35] where you can look at it from a
[3:43:36] macro level where you can see
[3:43:38] where the gaps are okay, or,
[3:43:39] and also where the
[3:43:40] concentrations are. And then
[3:43:42] you can literally zoom in on a,
[3:43:43] on a street. Did the work we
[3:43:45] did on it. Is that compliant,
[3:43:47] for example, that was the most
[3:43:49] it does not work. We did well,
[3:43:50] no, it does not meet the lumens
[3:43:52] of the full standard. Okay,
[3:43:54] okay. But we did that on
[3:43:55] purpose. If you recall, the
[3:43:56] height of the lights were
[3:43:58] actually at people's windows.
[3:43:59] And so we, I remember toned it
[3:44:01] down some. So those are the
[3:44:02] sort of decisions we can make.
[3:44:04] The reason why I'm asking the
[3:44:06] question is that is that Oscar
[3:44:07] pointed out the fact that there
[3:44:09] might be some intention to make
[3:44:10] the lights lower. So if we have
[3:44:12] a if we have a street that we
[3:44:14] know that was in somewhat
[3:44:16] compliance, we could say, okay,
[3:44:17] does this meet? This is what
[3:44:18] does this meet the. What does
[3:44:20] this. First off, this is a
[3:44:21] compliance meet. And then does
[3:44:23] this actually meet the standard
[3:44:25] that we're intending to have?
[3:44:26] Right. So because we MAY not
[3:44:28] need to be at the extreme level,
[3:44:30] we MAY be a happy medium
[3:44:32] between. So that MAY be go for
[3:44:34] 500 lights to 300 lights. I'm
[3:44:36] just throwing numbers out. We
[3:44:37] have that information. What I
[3:44:39] can do is send it to you, and
[3:44:41] then we can have a follow up
[3:44:42] conversation at the next
[3:44:43] council meeting to figure out
[3:44:45] how to pay for them. All the
[3:44:46] answers you're asking for are
[3:44:47] in there. Okay. Right. So we're
[3:44:49] just talking theoretically. I
[3:44:50] have a question. And generally
[3:44:51] speaking, just to let you know,
[3:44:54] Council member 546 lights cost
[3:44:56] approximately $750,000 over a
[3:44:59] ten year period financed, which
[3:45:02] is how fpl does their work. Yes,
[3:45:03] they amortize it over a ten
[3:45:05] year period. Okay. I don't I
[3:45:06] just want to make sure I
[3:45:10] understand here on your on your
[3:45:12] paragraph three, toward the end,
[3:45:16] there is the next steps. It's
[3:45:17] you're going to coordinate with
[3:45:20] fpl and Miami-Dade and complete
[3:45:21] the analysis and advance
[3:45:23] necessary transfer agreements.
[3:45:27] What transfer agreements? So we
[3:45:29] have the three buckets that I
[3:45:31] mentioned before, the 107. We
[3:45:32] won't even tell how many there
[3:45:33] are. The special taxing
[3:45:36] district. We have lights and
[3:45:37] then there's a gap. So we just
[3:45:40] talked about the gap. So what
[3:45:42] we are intending to do is take
[3:45:44] the 175 out of the special
[3:45:47] taxing districts, our 240
[3:45:48] transfer, and then transfer
[3:45:50] them to fpl. Is that ownership
[3:45:52] of the lights? Yes. Ownership.
[3:45:54] Agree on that. No. Don't ever
[3:45:55] remember agreeing that that
[3:45:57] that that is what we're working
[3:45:59] on to bring it to you. That's a
[3:46:00] potential plan. Okay. That's
[3:46:01] what I'm saying. We're still
[3:46:02] doing the financial analysis,
[3:46:03] whether it makes sense. They
[3:46:04] were actually taking inventory,
[3:46:06] right? Yeah. For for inventory.
[3:46:08] Okay. Find out what's what.
[3:46:10] Okay. Because when I read
[3:46:11] advance the necessary
[3:46:12] agreements, I'm trying. Why are
[3:46:14] we doing that when we have when
[3:46:16] we have one of them is to bring
[3:46:17] bring it to you. Okay. Which
[3:46:19] would be the consent, the well,
[3:46:23] the intent to what's it called?
[3:46:24] Transfer, whatever it's called.
[3:46:26] It's some letter of intent.
[3:46:27] Letter of intent. Okay. That
[3:46:28] would go to the special taxing
[3:46:29] districts that would start the
[3:46:30] process. Okay, perfect. Thank
[3:46:32] you. One of the things I want
[3:46:37] to make clear is, I think it
[3:46:38] was in JUNE that you all gave
[3:46:40] us a directive to start
[3:46:42] enforcing the swales and sight
[3:46:45] lines on the 1st of SEPTEMBER.
[3:46:49] Is that still your guidance?
[3:46:52] Yes. How do we feel about the
[3:46:55] education so far? Well, you saw
[3:46:56] Steve Powell bring up his
[3:46:58] education. I. I think they've
[3:46:59] been pretty well educated.
[3:47:00] Jeremy, do you want to add
[3:47:02] anything to that? What was
[3:47:03] Steve complaining about? He was
[3:47:05] because he knows he's going to
[3:47:06] let him know three times. I
[3:47:08] think he's coming after anybody
[3:47:09] that where we've seen continued
[3:47:11] issues, we repost, repost,
[3:47:13] repost the the and have
[3:47:15] actually gone and encircled or
[3:47:17] highlighted the particular
[3:47:19] element of the code that is an
[3:47:21] issue. So Jeremy, he came to me
[3:47:23] and just and I might have made
[3:47:24] the mistake, so I'm going to
[3:47:26] put it on the record. Okay? He
[3:47:27] said, if I take those little
[3:47:29] plastic poles and I move them,
[3:47:30] I told them, move three feet
[3:47:33] from the road, okay. And that
[3:47:35] would be okay. Now that's
[3:47:36] probably that is incorrect
[3:47:38] information at this time. That
[3:47:41] is what we had decided to deal
[3:47:43] with and enforce right of way
[3:47:45] was any vertical obstruction,
[3:47:47] right. So that we've been doing
[3:47:49] all summer, right, including in
[3:47:51] some cases, just moving the
[3:47:53] sticks for people. What would
[3:47:56] be coming next would be no
[3:47:58] plastic poles allowed at all.
[3:48:00] Right. So he what he's
[3:48:01] expressing now is the fact that
[3:48:03] he's getting noticed for these
[3:48:04] plastic poles, because the
[3:48:06] plastic poles are we're not
[3:48:08] doing notice of violation or
[3:48:09] anything yet, but they will get
[3:48:11] a warning. It's been education,
[3:48:13] by the way, you have these. You
[3:48:14] can't have them very soon. Can
[3:48:16] I ask you a question, if I MAY?
[3:48:19] I mean, please, the the there
[3:48:21] is also a damage by vehicles. I
[3:48:23] mean, I've seen the pictures
[3:48:25] here. They I don't know if you
[3:48:27] can see it, but they create. I
[3:48:29] know of it. I know of it. Yeah.
[3:48:32] So the plastic poles to a
[3:48:33] certain degree, don't they help
[3:48:36] that a little bit or they
[3:48:37] prevent they prevent people
[3:48:40] from parking. They they do help
[3:48:42] what we decided collectively
[3:48:45] when we had our workshop and
[3:48:48] was that you can do landscape
[3:48:50] elements, which is to say
[3:48:53] plants, rocks, obstructive
[3:48:55] rocks, right? Not just not just
[3:48:56] gravel. Those are allowed, but
[3:48:58] that's, that's not good. I'm
[3:48:59] sorry to say that those are an
[3:49:01] issue that that destroys
[3:49:02] vehicles. If you put rocks like
[3:49:04] that, well, that I mean, but
[3:49:05] those are allowed. No, no, but
[3:49:08] those are allowed beyond three
[3:49:09] feet and beyond or beyond six
[3:49:11] feet. But that's, that's what
[3:49:13] the that's what we went through
[3:49:15] with the workshop and came to
[3:49:18] consensus on. So I'm not just
[3:49:19] that was that was consensus. So
[3:49:21] we're not we're not making this
[3:49:23] up. This was the regular rocks.
[3:49:26] Yeah. So so anything that is a
[3:49:28] landscape element is allowed
[3:49:30] beyond that three feet zone. So
[3:49:33] you are allowed to use those
[3:49:35] elements. But we also
[3:49:37] collectively decided that posts,
[3:49:39] wooden posts, plastic posts,
[3:49:42] the rope swags, all those sorts
[3:49:44] of things are not allowed. He
[3:49:45] could plant a hedge, could
[3:49:48] plant a hedge, he could put a
[3:49:50] boulder bigger by doing so.
[3:49:51] Correct. And we've suggested
[3:49:53] that he do that. So all of
[3:49:55] those are options on the table.
[3:49:57] So to prevent that as
[3:49:58] alternative to the plastic
[3:50:03] sticks, the the little. What do
[3:50:06] you call those things with the.
[3:50:07] Reflective reflectors sticks.
[3:50:08] Okay. Those would not be
[3:50:11] allowed anywhere. Right? So in
[3:50:12] this way, you just put the
[3:50:15] grass down. You want to make
[3:50:18] sure. Good point. Okay. So that
[3:50:20] that, that while the grass is
[3:50:22] trying to stick that you don't
[3:50:24] have the dumb people going over
[3:50:27] your lawn there, that temporary
[3:50:29] elements, when you temporary
[3:50:31] elements are allowed. Okay. All
[3:50:34] right. So the so, so so
[3:50:36] question for you is what is the
[3:50:38] time period that you're going
[3:50:39] to allow and not enforce?
[3:50:41] Because if you're resodding and
[3:50:42] you're constantly resodding,
[3:50:44] you could, you could therefore
[3:50:45] have these plastic poles out
[3:50:47] there forever. So we could tell
[3:50:48] Stephen, hey, by the way, just
[3:50:50] keep throwing sod out there,
[3:50:51] big boy. And you can keep these
[3:50:53] plastic poles as long as you
[3:50:56] want. So this, this is so, so
[3:50:58] maybe, maybe, maybe that's my
[3:51:00] situation. My my lawn floats
[3:51:03] away with every heavy rain. So
[3:51:05] that's why we're allowing the
[3:51:05] gravel. That's why we're
[3:51:06] allowing gravel. Going to
[3:51:08] gravel get to get the rocks.
[3:51:10] But, but I think we had a
[3:51:11] conversation, Jeremy. Maybe we
[3:51:13] didn't communicate, but there
[3:51:15] must be some plastic pole that
[3:51:18] does this. The. But it's an
[3:51:20] esthetic issue. And this was
[3:51:22] what we worked through at the
[3:51:23] workshop, was that it's as much
[3:51:27] about esthetics as it is about
[3:51:28] obstruction. So. But the one
[3:51:31] thing is. But one quick thing,
[3:51:33] I'm sorry, I didn't I didn't
[3:51:34] voice my opinion at the
[3:51:35] workshop, but but I'm a little
[3:51:37] concerned about large angular
[3:51:38] rocks three feet off the right
[3:51:40] of way. You're driving at night.
[3:51:42] You MAY steer, you know, human
[3:51:43] error. You MAY drive at night.
[3:51:45] I know, man well, I'm told not
[3:51:46] to drive, but I mean, we also
[3:51:49] have trees there. Yeah, I know,
[3:51:52] but but trees grow in. But
[3:51:53] we're telling people to go
[3:51:55] ahead and put angular big rocks
[3:51:57] where there is where you're
[3:51:59] driving. I just I'm, I mean,
[3:52:00] you should not be driving there.
[3:52:02] Well, but human error. Fernando,
[3:52:04] you didn't hit that tree on
[3:52:07] Ocean Lane Drive, did you? Hit
[3:52:09] the generator? I mean, look,
[3:52:11] it's hitting, hitting, hitting
[3:52:13] large shrubs, hitting trees,
[3:52:15] hitting angular rocks. That's
[3:52:16] why we have the three foot
[3:52:18] clear zone. Like you shouldn't
[3:52:21] be driving in anywhere off the
[3:52:22] asphalt. But that's why we have
[3:52:24] the three foot clear zone with
[3:52:25] no vertical obstructions.
[3:52:27] Shouldn't be, but human error
[3:52:30] or other things. I mean, but,
[3:52:31] you know, we want to be safe,
[3:52:33] right? We want to, I think, but
[3:52:35] I think that that's a that's a
[3:52:36] safe standard, though a three
[3:52:37] foot clear zone on a
[3:52:39] residential street with a very
[3:52:40] low speed limit, I think is a
[3:52:42] safe standard. Please call it a
[3:52:46] ball. Yeah. So that's the
[3:52:47] bottom line is should we start
[3:52:50] enforcing SEPTEMBER 1st? Let's
[3:52:50] have another conversation
[3:52:52] before you start. One more.
[3:52:54] Yeah one more. Let's put it on
[3:52:56] the next agenda. Got it.
[3:52:58] Alright. Yeah, we're we're
[3:52:59] getting we're getting punchy.
[3:53:01] Do we need to put out any
[3:53:02] notices saying enforcement is
[3:53:03] coming soon? That's what
[3:53:04] they've been doing. We've been
[3:53:05] doing. I'm just saying that
[3:53:07] maybe continue to do it. I
[3:53:09] don't know if we have a we
[3:53:10] might our current notice might
[3:53:12] have a date. So it does have a
[3:53:13] date. Yeah. Do adjust it. We'll
[3:53:15] have to adjust it coming soon.
[3:53:17] We have made it a date that we
[3:53:18] were going to do it. Okay.
[3:53:20] We're going to go stamp on that.
[3:53:21] All right. Thank you. Consensus