[1:15] >> Hello, everyone. I would
[1:16] like to say a few words prior
[1:17] to beginning our session this
[1:20] morning. Good morning. Before
[1:21] we begin, I want to say how
[1:23] honored I am to preside over
[1:23] my first regular commission
[1:27] meeting as Mayor. I want our
[1:28] meetings to be productive,
[1:28] respectful and welcoming to
[1:32] everyone. We won't always
[1:34] agree, but we can listen to
[1:36] one another. Ask tough
[1:38] questions, treat each other
[1:39] with respect and make
[1:39] decisions based on what is
[1:43] best for Key West. I also want
[1:45] to residents to know that your
[1:45] participation matters greatly
[1:47] to us. This is your city
[1:51] government. And you should
[1:51] always feel welcome to be part
[1:55] of the process. We often say
[1:57] the key West is one human
[1:58] family. I want that to be
[2:00] reflected. Not in just what we
[2:01] say, but in how we treat one
[2:04] another and how we govern. We
[2:05] have important work ahead of
[2:10] us. Let's get to work now. A
[2:11] few notes on procedure first.
[2:12] So for for my fellow
[2:13] commissioners, I want you to
[2:15] know that all discussion
[2:18] items. Will we will be
[2:21] allowing public comment.
[2:22] Members of the public know if
[2:25] it is a discussion item. The
[2:27] mayor has discretion to allow
[2:28] public comment. It is my
[2:30] position that all discussion
[2:32] items in this meeting and
[2:33] every meeting forward will
[2:35] allow public comment. So feel
[2:37] free to sign up discussion
[2:39] items in the past discussion
[2:40] items did not automatically
[2:43] allow public comment that
[2:48] changes with my term. As far
[2:50] as procedures with regard to
[2:51] action items. I want my fellow
[2:54] commissioners to know that I
[2:55] will not require a motion to
[2:57] start discussion. If there is
[3:00] not a comfort level, but you
[3:01] have in starting with a
[3:02] motion. I'm certainly fine
[3:04] with starting with a question.
[3:05] If you have a question. We can
[3:07] start with questions. If you
[3:10] have a discussion first before
[3:12] we make a motion, I'm okay
[3:13] with that procedurally. With
[3:14] regard to Robert's rules of
[3:17] order. That is my approach. So
[3:19] we don't have to start with a
[3:20] motion because sometimes
[3:21] that's not clear from the
[3:22] start. So want to just let you
[3:26] know about that. Finally, I
[3:26] plan to take a break at
[3:29] 11:00am. I want everybody know
[3:30] that now if you need a break
[3:33] prior to that, please let me
[3:34] know. And we it's not doesn't
[3:36] have to be 11:00am. But if we
[3:37] have not taken a break by
[3:41] 11:00am, and we're at a
[3:42] natural break between items.
[3:42] That's when our morning break
[3:46] will I'm open to other
[3:47] suggestions. So during
[3:48] commissioner comments, please
[3:50] advise if you have other
[3:50] suggestions. Otherwise, let's
[3:53] start the meeting. MADAM
[3:57] Clerk, please call the roll.
[3:57] Calling the meeting
[4:02] Commissioner Kerry here.
[4:03] Commissioner Castillo here,
[4:03] Commissioner Haskell here,
[4:04] Commissioner Lee commissioner
[4:05] mascot here. See here, Mayor
[4:08] Coffman to hear.
[4:09] >> We stand for the invocation
[4:10] by Reverend Madeline bomb
[4:11] followed by the Pledge of
[4:19] Allegiance.
[4:21] >> Good morning, everyone. It
[4:22] is my honor and privilege do
[4:24] an invocation this morning.
[4:25] Please join me in an attitude
[4:28] of prayer or meditation. Holy
[4:33] one giver of life great spirit
[4:33] that binds us all in covenant
[4:36] Love with one another. We
[4:39] humbly come before you today
[4:40] in your name as servants of
[4:44] this great city. As we gather
[4:47] this morning, MAY we pause and
[4:48] remember that we are part of
[4:48] something larger than
[4:52] ourselves. A community made up
[4:55] of people with different
[4:56] beliefs, backgrounds,
[4:57] experiences and hopes for the
[5:01] future. This has been and
[5:03] continues to be a difficult
[5:06] season for our city. We are
[5:09] dealing with strong feelings
[5:10] and emotions among those who
[5:12] are those emotions are those
[5:16] who are hopeful. Those who are
[5:17] disappointed, those who remain
[5:18] uncertain about what comes
[5:21] next. But today we choose a
[5:23] different kind of strength.
[5:26] The strength to listen to
[5:27] understand and to treat one
[5:28] another with dignity. Even
[5:32] when we disagree. MAY those
[5:33] entrusted with leadership be
[5:36] guided by wisdom, courage,
[5:39] fairness and compassion. Maybe
[5:41] remember that public service
[5:42] is a responsibility for every
[5:43] resident, not only those who
[5:47] agree with them. For those who
[5:48] have been hurt or discouraged.
[5:50] MAY there be healing? For
[5:53] those who are feeling unheard?
[5:54] MAY there be opportunities to
[5:58] be heard? For those who have
[5:58] lost trust, MAY we find ways
[6:01] to rebuild And for those who
[6:04] are hopeful. That hope be
[6:06] joined with humility and a
[6:08] willingness to work with
[6:10] others. MAY we have the
[6:10] courage to acknowledge what
[6:12] needs to change the wisdom to
[6:15] know what we must preserved
[6:16] and the patients to understand
[6:19] that healing a community is a
[6:20] process we undertake together
[6:25] as one human family. Whatever
[6:25] our faith or tradition, MAY we
[6:26] be guided by the values we
[6:31] hold in common truth, justice,
[6:32] Compassion, Service and
[6:35] respect for the dignity of
[6:36] every person. Let this
[6:37] meeting, mark, not simply the
[6:40] beginning of a new term, but
[6:41] the beginning of a renewed
[6:42] commitment to one another. And
[6:45] the future of this city. Maher
[6:48] words today bring more light
[6:50] than heat, more understanding,
[6:51] then division and more
[6:53] possibility, then fear and
[6:54] they we leave this room
[6:55] committed to the belief that
[6:57] despite our differences, we
[6:58] are still one community and
[7:01] our best future is the one
[7:02] that we built together in the
[7:03] name of all that is good. And
[7:13] holy, we all say Amen.
[7:15] Republic for which it stands.
[7:18] One nation under GOD out.
[7:19] >> Indivisible, with liberty
[7:25] and justice for all.
[7:28] >> Okay. Approval of agenda.
[7:29] Are there changes to the
[7:32] agenda? Yes, please.
[7:33] Commissioner Haskell, thank
[7:38] you. I'm so used to saying
[7:41] MADAM Mayor say MISTER It's a
[7:43] Thank you, Mary. Appropriate.
[7:48] Thank you. I would like to
[7:49] move item number That
[7:51] resolution regarding our cup
[7:54] places funding to be heard
[7:55] along with for just before
[7:59] item number. 42, which has to
[8:02] do with the 7 800 lucky
[8:03] defecation. Question for about
[8:04] that, do we have speakers for
[8:06] number 2? Item that we have
[8:11] one, I believe could we could
[8:14] we put item 42 right after 2
[8:16] said another option. So that
[8:18] the speaker would have
[8:21] opportunity to speak. I don't
[8:22] have any other items will be
[8:29] pulled. MISTER Mayor, I was
[8:32] gonna pull item to be heard.
[8:38] After the discussion item. I I
[8:39] know the speaker has to leave
[8:39] by 10:00am. That's why I'm
[8:42] asking that. Maybe could we
[8:44] allow his comment only one
[8:48] speaker. That comment first,
[8:48] it's It's not called until the
[8:53] end of the morning session. I
[8:54] don't I just it would be
[8:54] before report. Still, it would
[8:57] just be the last resolution
[8:59] and there's 2 before well,
[9:00] actually, whatever gets
[9:00] pulled, Well, let's see how it
[9:03] goes. The rest of the the rest
[9:06] of the agenda I'd also like to
[9:11] poll 40's 14 0 k 27 30. 30 on
[9:19] consent. Yes, Anyone else.
[9:20] Thank you, MISTER Mayor. I
[9:23] want to commissioner on sea.
[9:23] Number. 24, please, just
[9:25] discussion. Number. 24, okay.
[9:29] Anyone else? Callie once
[9:33] calling 20 still Yes, just for
[9:35] clarity. So we're just pulling
[9:36] these items off a consent. But
[9:37] the order in which that
[9:39] they're being heard hasn't
[9:39] been discussed, right? They
[9:42] only, yes. Oh, that's right.
[9:44] So MADAM Clerk to have a
[9:45] suggestion with regard to how
[9:46] you given the speaker you
[9:49] might want to do number 2. 0st
[9:51] and then have if there's any
[9:52] discussion left, have the
[9:53] discussion and then move into
[9:55] the rest of the resolutions.
[9:57] Okay. So we would. So your
[9:57] suggestion is would be to do
[9:58] 42 right after 2. Is that what
[10:00] you're saying right? And they
[10:00] move on to the other ones that
[10:03] have been pulled a case. Is
[10:04] there any any concern about
[10:06] that for many members of the
[10:08] commission? No, I that's a
[10:09] good idea. And I do have a
[10:12] concern. MISTER Mayor, okay, I
[10:13] would prefer to discuss have
[10:15] the discussion item about the
[10:17] item. I'm not quite
[10:17] understanding why to have the
[10:18] discussion about the item
[10:20] after we vote. I think the
[10:23] idea is to save time they're
[10:24] related and most likely the
[10:24] item number 2 will lead into
[10:26] item number. 42. So I think
[10:27] that was think that's think
[10:28] the discussion will encompass
[10:29] all of it. But we can
[10:31] certainly do the discussion
[10:34] first. And then item that's
[10:35] fine, too. I mean, what I just
[10:36] feel like if there's an
[10:38] opportunity discuss the item
[10:41] before we vote on it, it would
[10:42] make sense. That's that's that
[10:45] that's the proposal is 32. No
[10:46] to 2. And then that, too, is
[10:47] the action item. 42 is the
[10:48] discussion. So we're going to
[10:49] take action and then we're
[10:50] going to discuss it. It's good
[10:57] to separate items. Right? So
[10:57] we would we would do for 2.42
[11:01] 0st. And then is. I would love
[11:01] discuss it first. That's fine
[11:03] taking a vote on it. Okay.
[11:04] There's an opportunity. Okay.
[11:07] I think that there will be
[11:08] merged altogether. That's one
[11:10] discussion. Yeah, it's fun.
[11:10] Okay. So we'll do. We'll do.
[11:14] 42 0st. In terms of the
[11:18] resolutions and then we have
[11:25] pulled off to 14. 27. 30 24
[11:26] other any public speakers.
[11:28] There some speakers on those
[11:28] already mentioned. We have
[11:31] number 9 withdrawn and number,
[11:32] 41 withdrawn. Just keep that
[11:35] in mind for your. So coming
[11:39] off consent. I have 12 or 2,
[11:43] 12, 14. 24 27 30. Correct?
[11:44] Okay. Is there a motion to
[11:49] approve the agenda Corrections
[11:50] Commissioner Casteel moves?
[11:50] Commissioner seconds. All
[11:51] those in favor. Please say
[11:53] Aye. Aye. Aye. Any opposed
[11:54] hearing. None motion carries
[11:57] and consent agenda as amended.
[11:58] Is there a motion to approve
[12:02] the consent agenda move for
[12:03] approval Commissioner Kaseya
[12:04] moves. Commissioner Ross the
[12:06] seconds. All those in favor of
[12:07] consent agenda. Please say
[12:11] Aye. Aye. Aye opposed during
[12:12] That moves us to
[12:13] proclamations. National Diaper
[12:18] need Awareness Month. Whereas
[12:19] diapers and other necessities
[12:20] are essential to keeping
[12:20] babies and young children
[12:22] clean, dry, healthy.
[12:23] >> Unable to participate in
[12:25] childcare and early learning
[12:26] settings. Where's the National
[12:27] Diaper Bank network? Stipe are
[12:31] checked 2026. Found that 40%
[12:33] of us households with children
[12:35] under 4 in diapers, experience
[12:36] diaper insecurity, including
[12:40] 62% of low-income households.
[12:40] And whereas in Monroe County
[12:41] alone, an estimated one in 4
[12:42] children are under age 3
[12:45] experience diaper insecurity.
[12:46] Where is Miami Diaper Bank? A
[12:47] member of the National Diaper
[12:48] Bank Network supports Florida
[12:51] Keys. Healthy Start, Coalition
[12:52] that helps fill a critical gap
[12:53] and human services for
[12:55] vulnerable children and
[12:56] families whereas national
[12:57] diaper need Awareness Week
[12:58] established by the National
[13:01] Diaper Bank Network and absurd
[13:03] September 14th to the 20th
[13:04] 2026. Provides an opportunity
[13:05] for residents, businesses,
[13:07] civic organizations and public
[13:09] officials to learn about
[13:10] diaper insecurity and take
[13:11] practical action through
[13:13] advocacy diaper drives
[13:14] donations, volunteer service
[13:15] referrals and community
[13:18] partnerships. And where is
[13:18] through our important work of
[13:19] addressing diaper needs the
[13:21] Florida Keys, Healthy Start
[13:23] Coalition and diaper banks
[13:25] play a critical role in
[13:26] supporting families and
[13:26] proving infant health and
[13:27] well-being and advancing our
[13:29] local and state economic
[13:31] growth. Now, therefore, I Sam
[13:32] Kaufman, mayor of the city of
[13:33] Key West, along with the
[13:34] entire key West City
[13:36] Commission, do hereby proclaim
[13:36] SEPTEMBER 14 through
[13:39] SEPTEMBER, 20th 2026. As
[13:41] National Diaper Need Awareness
[13:43] Week in the southern most city
[13:43] of the United Continental
[13:58] United States.
[14:04] >> We're going to the corner
[14:13] right My Okay.
[14:14] >> Thank you. To the city of
[14:16] Key West are recognizing
[14:17] Diaper Need Awareness Month
[14:17] and help shine a light on the
[14:18] issue that affects families
[14:22] right here in the Keys. The
[14:23] coalition distributes
[14:24] approximately 80 to 100,000
[14:25] diapers each year and we hope
[14:27] you'll remember us when our
[14:30] annual diaper Drive returns in
[14:32] FEBRUARY, SEPTEMBER is also
[14:33] rba Safety Hero campaign each
[14:34] year helping us provide
[14:36] hundreds of families with
[14:38] essential safety items like
[14:39] car seats and safe baby beds
[14:40] for the month of SEPTEMBER.
[14:43] You can be a safety hero. You
[14:43] have the opportunity to help
[14:45] provide local babies and
[14:48] families with essential safety
[14:50] resources from car seats and
[14:51] safe sleep supplies to baby
[14:52] proofing materials. Your
[14:54] donation can help us provide
[14:55] the essentials that our babies
[14:56] need to start life safely. We
[14:58] are incredibly grateful for a
[15:00] community that continues to
[15:01] show up for our youngest
[15:02] members and the families that
[15:15] raised them. Thank you so
[15:19] Hispanic Heritage Month.
[15:20] >> Whereas each year the
[15:21] United States observes
[15:22] National Hispanic Heritage
[15:23] Month by celebrating the
[15:23] culture, heritage and
[15:25] countless contributions of
[15:26] those whose ancestors were
[15:29] indigenous to North America as
[15:30] well as those who came from
[15:30] Central and South America and
[15:32] Mexico, the Caribbean and
[15:34] Spain. And where is this
[15:35] year's theme? Is partners of
[15:37] change shaping a future
[15:38] together and invites us to
[15:39] celebrate and recognize the
[15:40] significant strides of
[15:41] Hispanics in the economic
[15:41] political and social growth of
[15:45] the United States. And whereas
[15:46] although too numerous to
[15:47] recognize individually by
[15:49] name, Hispanic and vigil
[15:52] service civic rights leaders
[15:53] and community organizers,
[15:55] politicians, soldiers,
[15:56] educators, journalist, first
[15:57] responders, pioneers and art
[15:59] and science. Health care
[15:59] professionals, athletes,
[16:00] inventors, entertainers, and
[16:05] so much more. And whereas. As
[16:06] a community that is committed
[16:07] to celebrating our diversity
[16:08] celebrating Hispanic Heritage
[16:10] Month reaffirms its commitment
[16:11] to inclusion as we continue
[16:12] our efforts to ensure that
[16:13] everyone who lives visits, our
[16:16] city feels equally valued and
[16:17] has equal access to
[16:20] opportunities to help them
[16:21] thrive. And now they're for
[16:21] ice. And Kaufman. Mayor, the
[16:22] city of Key West, along with
[16:24] the entire key West City
[16:26] Commission to hear by wrecked,
[16:27] honor and recognize SEPTEMBER
[16:31] 15 through OCTOBER. 15th 2026
[16:31] as Hispanic Heritage Month in
[16:32] the southernmost city of the
[16:47] continental United States.
[16:55] I'll be brief. I just want to
[16:56] say thank you to the city and
[16:57] to my fellow commissioners
[16:59] into the mayor for
[17:01] >> Recognizing Hispanic
[17:03] Heritage Month as the daughter
[17:04] of a Cuban immigrant. This is
[17:05] very important to me
[17:08] personally. To the entire
[17:08] Hispanic community. So we
[17:18] thank you for this.
[17:19] >> Preparedness month where a
[17:20] SEPTEMBER is recognized as
[17:21] National Preparedness Month. A
[17:22] time to raise awareness about
[17:24] the importance of preparing
[17:26] for disasters and emergencies.
[17:27] And to encourage individuals,
[17:28] families, businesses and
[17:31] communities to act before
[17:32] disaster strikes. And whereas
[17:34] the 2026 National Preparedness
[17:35] Month the American stand
[17:38] ready, focuses on getting back
[17:39] to essentials, preparedness
[17:39] and empowering Americans to
[17:41] take simple, practical steps
[17:42] that can help protect
[17:44] themselves, their families and
[17:45] their communities. And where
[17:46] is every household should make
[17:47] a family emergency plan that
[17:49] identifies have family members
[17:51] will communicate where they
[17:52] will go in emergency. How they
[17:54] were reunite of separated and
[17:55] how they will count for the
[17:56] needs of our children, older
[17:57] adults, individuals with
[17:58] disabilities, pets and those
[18:00] who MAY require additional
[18:02] assistance and whereas
[18:03] preparedness is a shared
[18:04] responsibility and everyone
[18:05] can get involved in their
[18:06] community by taking action to
[18:09] prepare for emergencies,
[18:09] supporting neighbor Sharon
[18:10] preparedness information,
[18:12] participating, community
[18:13] preparedness activities and
[18:14] helping strengthen the
[18:15] resilience of the city of Key
[18:18] West and whereas the city of
[18:19] Key West encourages all
[18:20] residents, businesses,
[18:20] organizations and visitors to
[18:23] take time to SEPTEMBER to
[18:24] prepare, stand get involved
[18:25] and take meaningful steps
[18:26] toward becoming more resilient
[18:30] and ready for emergencies. And
[18:31] now there for eye, Sam
[18:32] Kaufman, mayor of the city Key
[18:33] West, along with the entire
[18:33] Key West City Commission do
[18:36] hereby proclaim SEPTEMBER as
[18:37] Preparedness Month in the city
[18:39] of Key West and encourage all
[18:40] members of our community
[18:40] embrace the theme American
[18:55] stand, stand ready.
[19:05] >> Good morning.
[19:08] Commissioners, City manager,
[19:09] thank you for this
[19:10] proclamation and your
[19:12] continued support for
[19:13] emergency management. I'm here
[19:14] to accept this ward as
[19:16] emergency manager with the
[19:17] Lieutenant Anderson chief
[19:18] Allen neighbor from the Key
[19:21] West Fire Department chip,
[19:21] Casper in John Rizzo from
[19:23] National Weather Service. Key
[19:25] West. I want to tell you all
[19:27] that this is just part of your
[19:30] emergency management team and
[19:31] we are ready and prepared to
[19:34] for any emergency. We want to
[19:35] encourage you all also to
[19:38] prepared for any emergency.
[19:39] Have your emergency management
[19:42] emergency preparedness plan be
[19:44] ready to execute that plan
[19:44] when you're a hurricane
[19:47] strikes or emergency and stay
[19:52] informed too official
[19:52] information websites like the
[19:53] National Weather Service, Key
[19:55] West and Monroe County
[20:01] Emergency Management. Also too
[20:07] staying connected with to
[20:08] receive alerts from alert.
[20:09] Monroe by going to their
[20:11] website. Monroe County
[20:14] Emergency Management. And also
[20:18] too go to our city of Key
[20:20] website to sign up for civic
[20:23] ready. So be safe out there.
[20:24] Stay prepared and GOD bless
[20:36] you Thank you again.
[20:43] >> Okay. Presentations I think
[20:47] we're Presentations. Item
[20:51] number. 37, keep Key West
[20:51] beautiful.
[20:52] >> Good morning. Mayor and
[20:54] commissioners today. Keep us
[20:55] beautiful in the qs. Chamber
[20:56] of Commerce are pleased to
[20:56] recognize the recipient of the
[21:00] Business Pride Award. This
[21:01] recognizes businesses South
[21:03] White Street to take pride in
[21:04] their parent, other business
[21:04] and surrounding area and use
[21:07] that demonstrate pride in our
[21:08] community and celebrate a
[21:09] businesses that go above and
[21:09] beyond. To keep us clean,
[21:13] welcoming in beautiful this
[21:14] month, Business Pride Award
[21:15] goes to island. Also located
[21:19] at 505, for entry center
[21:20] adding sidewalk table service.
[21:22] Their team has gone above and
[21:22] beyond by sweeping cleaning
[21:23] and maintaining the public
[21:25] space in front of business
[21:27] every day, the attention to
[21:29] parents have their business
[21:29] and surrounding area continues
[21:30] with cleaner, more attractive
[21:32] state. And a more welcoming
[21:35] experience residents visitors.
[21:36] Their efforts helped make the
[21:39] area more vibrant. I love
[21:41] about them in shape at this it
[21:42] is all about taking pride in
[21:42] your business, your
[21:45] surroundings in your
[21:47] community. Congratulations to
[21:48] Steve and Apple and the entire
[21:48] team of island. All to on this
[22:04] well-deserved recognition.
[22:18] Our
[22:19] next mission is that people
[22:21] around world which celebrate
[22:22] an individual goes above and
[22:23] beyond and creating a
[22:23] welcoming and memorable
[22:25] experience for others in our
[22:28] community. Today, we're
[22:30] pleased to recognize Pence
[22:30] stopped and at the was
[22:31] nominated by Commissioner
[22:33] Monica Haskell. Exceptional
[22:34] customer service and genuine
[22:37] connection with both visitors
[22:38] and locals. Pence has a
[22:39] special gift for making
[22:41] everyone welcome. He
[22:42] cheerfully greeted each person
[22:42] who was the pastor enters the
[22:45] galleon parking lot with and
[22:46] affection. When asked how he
[22:47] is doing his answer is always
[22:51] excellent pay. That is more
[22:53] than that. He's cheerful,
[22:55] greeting print, remembers the
[22:56] names of guests and locals
[22:57] makes people feel valued
[22:58] appreciated and treat everyone
[23:00] like royalty, his kindness and
[23:01] personal connection leave a
[23:03] lasting impression and is part
[23:03] of the reason many visitors we
[23:07] turn us year after year, plan
[23:08] to represent the very best of
[23:10] q as hospitality attendance.
[23:12] Molly, welcoming spirit and
[23:13] the ability to make people
[23:15] feel like they belong.
[23:15] Congratulations to Prince stop
[23:19] to not being recognized with
[23:20] the people. Proud. A word and
[23:20] thank you for making q s a
[23:21] little brighter for everyone.
[23:36] You meet.
[23:44] I just want to say
[23:46] congratulations to the award
[23:47] winners and especially Austin
[23:48] who turns 5 years old today.
[23:49] >> Everybody we saw Happy
[23:54] birthday. And Austin. You can
[24:10] have a seat.
[24:42] >> To put the fan on and get
[24:57] the hair go.
[25:09] Okay. Next.
[25:11] Presentation City of Key West
[25:12] adaptation plan with Allison
[25:18] Higgins. Well, it pulls up the
[25:23] presentation. Allison hands,
[25:23] resiliency manager. I'm so
[25:26] excited to be a pair of
[25:27] representing this plan in
[25:30] front of the new Assembly.
[25:30] Some brand-new some returning
[25:35] and some just swapping seats.
[25:37] I'm very proud of the input in
[25:38] this plan. We had 81 local
[25:40] subject matter. Experts from
[25:42] across of 52 different
[25:43] entities that poor their ideas
[25:47] and their solutions into the
[25:47] projects that are in this
[25:51] plan. It the planet salts
[25:54] helps find funding and
[25:56] resiliency paths pass towards
[25:58] resiliency. Not only for city
[26:00] projects, but also for
[26:01] residences businesses and
[26:02] agency partners in community
[26:05] that further ado, I will turn
[26:07] it over to our wonder Women ga
[26:10] ga Aaron and Carly who heard
[26:11] all the cats and their
[26:11] solutions into this living
[26:15] document. Thank you so much.
[26:16] Good morning. Let's see if I
[26:20] can get presentation going.
[26:20] >> My name is George events.
[26:22] I'm with Tetra Tech and we
[26:23] have been working with Allison
[26:27] on this adaptation plan. The
[26:29] overall project purpose is to
[26:29] identify opportunities to
[26:33] become more resilient. To
[26:36] elevate risks, to measure the
[26:38] impacts to prioritize efforts
[26:42] over the next 10 years.
[26:42] Understand the magnitude
[26:44] severity and extent of
[26:44] rainfall, flooding tidal
[26:46] flooding and future storm
[26:48] surge and integrate these
[26:52] measures into existing plans
[26:53] and also to, as Alison
[26:54] mentioned, focus on
[26:54] identifying future state in
[26:56] federal grant funding to
[26:57] ensure those projects get
[27:01] actually put in place. We
[27:03] started with the climate
[27:05] vulnerability assessment. It
[27:06] looked sea level rise 10, a
[27:07] flank, storm surge, rainfall
[27:10] and compound flooding over 3
[27:13] planning horizon. So today
[27:17] 2040, 2070, 2100 and we looked
[27:19] at the exposure of critical
[27:21] assets as well as the
[27:22] sensitivity how sensitive
[27:23] those assets are to the
[27:27] flooding. Here are some apps
[27:29] that we created for the from
[27:30] the vulnerability assessment
[27:33] looking at sea level rise.
[27:34] Obviously you can see the blue
[27:38] where it shows some inundation
[27:40] of different elevations. So
[27:43] this is present day. We have
[27:47] 2040, 21 2070 2100 where you
[27:50] can see increases around the
[27:56] edges of the island. From that
[27:58] data we identified hotspots
[27:59] which were concentrations of
[28:00] your assets and where the
[28:01] flooding is most likely to
[28:02] occur through those planning
[28:09] horizons. And we prioritized
[28:10] projects within those hot
[28:14] spots for the adaptation plan.
[28:18] We adaptation plan focuses on
[28:20] adaptation chapters, power and
[28:21] Water Infrastructure
[28:25] Economics, Historic and
[28:26] Cultural resources,
[28:27] environmental considerations,
[28:28] housing and shelter and
[28:29] Health. So as you can see,
[28:30] it's a very comprehensive
[28:31] plan. So we're not just
[28:33] looking at your assets, your
[28:34] infrastructure. We're also
[28:36] looking at how the community
[28:38] can become more resilient
[28:39] across all of these focus
[28:46] areas. So the overarching plan
[28:48] is to enhance resiliency.
[28:52] Infrastructure and community.
[28:53] Protect natural ecosystems.
[28:56] Look at water resources
[28:57] safeguard public health,
[28:59] strengthen economic
[29:01] resiliency, improve emergency
[29:02] preparedness, provide safe and
[29:05] affordable housing. And
[29:06] incorporate these climate
[29:08] resiliency actions into
[29:11] existing plans and policy.
[29:12] Overall, the plan is to
[29:13] enhance community resiliency.
[29:16] And this was, as Alison
[29:17] mentioned, incorporated, a lot
[29:19] of stakeholder input, public
[29:22] outreach and a lot of
[29:23] coordination with other
[29:28] agencies and entities. So
[29:28] adaptation strategies have
[29:30] various categories, including
[29:31] infrastructure, hardening and
[29:34] relocation of assets. Green, a
[29:35] nature based solutions,
[29:37] community education programs
[29:39] and readiness. Emergency
[29:41] management planning and then
[29:42] the land use and policy
[29:47] guidelines. Just a snapshot of
[29:51] what's in this adaptation plan
[29:52] is for fit for the first year
[29:56] fiscal year. 2027. We have
[29:57] prioritized the fire station.
[30:01] Number 3 resiliency, rebuild.
[30:03] Jose Marti Drive elevation and
[30:03] storm water improvements.
[30:05] Weatherizing city bus stops
[30:08] Stuart Network hardening.
[30:11] Martin Luther King Pool,
[30:12] rebuild phone, Ready Avenue
[30:12] resiliency. Roadway upgrade.
[30:16] So those are projects. We also
[30:17] looked at planning and policy
[30:19] things that could be done.
[30:21] Actions. So looking at a
[30:21] citywide building, resiliency
[30:27] and asset management. Project.
[30:28] And then initiatives. We're
[30:28] looking green business
[30:32] programs, community energy
[30:32] efficiency, education and
[30:33] emergency alert outreach and
[30:41] education. Aaron Di with her
[30:42] own firm is here with me
[30:45] today. He's helped guide this
[30:48] plan and ensure that I the
[30:49] actions that are identified
[30:49] are not in conflict with any
[30:54] policy. Our codes also looking
[30:54] to make improvements to the
[30:55] policy and codes throughout
[30:59] the city. Looking at land use
[31:03] code plus strategies. So how
[31:04] thanks Kate exceeding the
[31:05] minimum cuts codes can
[31:08] actually help residents.
[31:10] Planning and decision-making
[31:12] emergency planning management
[31:14] practices and then policy
[31:15] reforms updating policy to
[31:16] support resiliency and Sanibel
[31:20] sustainability. We have
[31:21] developed several online tools
[31:22] if you haven't been to the
[31:27] adaptation plan website,
[31:29] there's interactive climate
[31:31] vulnerability, viewer Flood
[31:32] reporting tool where residents
[31:33] or businesses can report
[31:37] flooding at their location. We
[31:38] have a project to tracking
[31:38] dashboard which will take all
[31:41] of these projects, put him
[31:42] into a dashboard. Can see
[31:45] progress over time. It will be
[31:46] updated regularly. The project
[31:47] website is Key. West
[31:49] adaptation plan dot com and
[31:50] there are a lot of really
[31:53] great resources there for we
[31:53] government folks and also
[31:58] residents. So the next steps
[31:59] is to finalize the adaptation
[32:01] plan with that 10 year
[32:06] implementation road map that
[32:09] finish that project tracking
[32:10] dashboard and finalize policy
[32:11] analysis. We have a public
[32:12] policy workshop on SEPTEMBER 8
[32:16] here next Tuesday. So we'll be
[32:17] back. And then we will wrap up
[32:19] project completion and OCTOBER
[32:21] finalize Dollar Grant
[32:25] Submittals and close out the
[32:27] project ut today. You don't
[32:29] have to prove anything or make
[32:30] any resolutions. We just
[32:30] wanted to present this
[32:32] information to you. So you
[32:34] know where it is and it's
[32:35] available. And with that, I
[32:36] will take any questions you
[32:38] MAY have.
[32:39] >> Any questions from members
[32:44] of the commission. Hearing?
[32:45] None. I would just say thank
[32:45] you so much for the
[32:48] presentation. I really look
[32:49] forward to seeing how this
[32:50] plan integrates with our
[32:53] strategic plan and some
[32:55] advisory recommendations from
[32:56] our sustainability Advisory
[32:57] board. I hope so. Thank you so
[33:03] much. Thank you. Okay. That
[33:05] moves us to the discussion
[33:08] item area beautification 70800
[33:09] blocks of Duval Street, murals
[33:10] and benches. And we do have
[33:11] public speakers, Jordan
[33:11] Upchurch and then Sarah
[33:23] Compton.
[33:24] >> Good morning, mayor and
[33:26] commissioners. My name is
[33:29] Jordan Church and I at 13. 0,
[33:31] Now street. I'm here today in
[33:32] support of agenda items.
[33:35] Number 2.42, more broadly, the
[33:35] opportunity before us to
[33:38] recognize and celebrate the
[33:39] lgbtq+ history of the 70800
[33:42] blocks of Duval Street.
[33:43] Commissioner Castillo, I want
[33:44] to speak directly to you for a
[33:47] moment. I voted for. I voted
[33:49] for you. I did that because I
[33:50] believed you understood
[33:51] something incredibly important
[33:53] about Key West. Our diversity
[33:55] is one of our greatest
[33:58] strengths. You represent Palm,
[33:59] a village, a neighborhood
[34:00] history. Reminds us of why
[34:01] preserving culture recognizing
[34:03] the people who become before
[34:05] us and making sure communities
[34:06] can see themselves represented
[34:09] in their own city matters.
[34:11] That is exactly why I'm asking
[34:13] you to vote for items. Number
[34:15] 2.42 It is true that the
[34:17] lgbtq+ history of Key West is
[34:19] much bigger than 2 blocks of
[34:21] Duval Street. Our community
[34:22] has lived, worked to open
[34:25] businesses created art.
[34:27] Organizations raise money,
[34:28] welcome visitors and help
[34:28] shape neighborhoods throughout
[34:31] this entire island. That was
[34:32] true decades ago and it
[34:35] remains true today. But those
[34:37] blocks have become an
[34:37] important and highly visible
[34:39] gathering space for our
[34:41] community and Duval Street as
[34:42] one of the main arteries
[34:42] through which millions of
[34:44] people experience key West
[34:47] that visibility matters when a
[34:48] resident walks down Duval
[34:49] Street, they should see the
[34:50] communities that built island
[34:54] represent there. Visitor comes
[34:55] to Key West because they have
[34:56] heard for decades that this is
[34:57] a place where they can be
[34:58] themselves. They should be
[35:02] able to see that story
[35:05] supporting the lgbtq+
[35:05] representation in these blocks
[35:06] doesn't continue or can find
[35:08] our history to them. It gives
[35:09] us a prominent place from
[35:10] which to begin telling a much
[35:12] larger story. Item number 2
[35:13] gives us the opportunity to
[35:15] support a mural at to one
[35:17] Duval Street item number. 42
[35:19] opens the door to murals
[35:20] benches, banners, historical
[35:21] markers, public art and other
[35:23] ways of recognizing that
[35:25] heritage. I'm not asking you
[35:26] today to know every detail of
[35:29] every project we MAY
[35:29] ultimately create. Talk to the
[35:32] qs presence killed. Talked to
[35:35] long-time lgbtq+ residents and
[35:36] business owners. Doctor
[35:37] historians ask questions we
[35:41] will help provide the answers.
[35:41] But please don't allow
[35:42] unanswered questions become a
[35:44] reason for doing nothing.
[35:46] There is an urgency here with
[35:47] new state legislation taking
[35:49] effect JANUARY. First, we have
[35:49] a limited opportunity to
[35:51] identify projects that can
[35:53] move forward before the end of
[35:55] this year, commissioner,
[35:56] because the preservation
[35:57] Muhammad diligence history
[35:59] matters are Cuban. History
[36:01] matters. Iconic history
[36:03] matters and our lgbtq+,
[36:05] history matters. These
[36:06] histories don't compete with
[36:07] one. Another history of each
[36:08] of these communities is a part
[36:10] of Key West history. And
[36:10] together they tell the story
[36:14] of who we are. Thank And
[36:23] Sarah. Good morning, mayor and
[36:24] commissioners. I want to speak
[36:26] in support of the
[36:27] beautification of the 70800
[36:29] blocks of Duval Street and
[36:31] specifically celebrating the
[36:32] lgbtqia plus.
[36:32] >> Community in the history of
[36:36] our Gaber hood over the past
[36:37] 10 months, I've spoken with
[36:39] hundreds of people in district
[36:40] 4 and some from some of the
[36:41] most conservative, of the most
[36:44] progressive and there are
[36:47] believe it or not. So many
[36:48] issues where nearly everyone
[36:49] agrees and this has actually
[36:53] been one of them. One of my
[36:54] conservative district for
[36:56] neighbors probably summed it
[36:58] up when he called the effort
[37:00] to erase the Gaber hood a
[37:00] weird and senselessly nasty
[37:05] waste of time. And I agreed
[37:07] fully with that. This is key
[37:10] West. Our lgbtqia plus
[37:11] community. It's part of our
[37:14] history. Our culture, our
[37:17] economy, and who we are
[37:18] beautifying these blocks and
[37:18] celebrating that history
[37:23] doesn't take away from anyone.
[37:24] It recognizes something that
[37:26] is uniquely and proudly key
[37:27] West. And I do hope that all
[37:32] of you will support Thank you.
[37:32] >> Okay. Bringing it back to
[37:34] the commission of anyone want
[37:35] to speak on this for
[37:38] discussion. This is a
[37:39] discussion item. We're number.
[37:44] 42. Commissioner all started
[37:45] off.
[37:45] >> beautification of Duval
[37:48] Street in general is something
[37:49] that we've contemplated, you
[37:51] know, for quite some time. A
[37:52] lot of us went to a lot of
[37:56] community meetings about it
[37:57] and the Duval Street master
[38:01] plan is work shopped and it
[38:03] was decided that the number
[38:04] one most important item was
[38:04] infrastructure. So that
[38:07] attention has been focused
[38:09] away from beautification and
[38:10] more toward preventing
[38:11] flooding. Duval, what can we
[38:15] do? And Stan, the pumps,
[38:15] whatever. But I think, you
[38:17] know, there's still an
[38:22] opportunity do some small
[38:24] scale, inexpensive
[38:25] beautification efforts on the
[38:28] whole length of Duval Street.
[38:29] So I'm I'm totally in favor
[38:34] of. And it kind of benches or
[38:38] our flags are any kind even
[38:39] even in favor of a mural at
[38:39] this. The first time I heard
[38:43] about a mural at 81 Duval
[38:45] specifically as the project.
[38:48] But I would be in favor of any
[38:50] kind of beautification of
[38:51] 70800 block of Duval and all
[38:54] of Duval Street with the
[38:55] business community's
[38:55] participation. I don't think
[38:56] it's something that the city
[39:01] should pay for 100%. I think
[39:02] it could be a a good
[39:03] partnership. And final comment
[39:07] is I also want to make sure
[39:08] that anything we do regarding
[39:09] art in public spaces goes
[39:11] through the art in public
[39:12] places board. We do have a
[39:15] board that's that set up to
[39:15] review that kind of thing to
[39:17] make recommendations to this
[39:19] board. Yes, we have the final
[39:21] approval, but I don't think we
[39:22] should cut out to the art in
[39:24] public places board at any at
[39:26] any point. Thank Thank you,
[39:26] Commissioner Haskell. Anyone
[39:31] else? I was just going to make
[39:31] the most help. Hold on. Second
[39:34] item commissioner.
[39:36] >> Thank you. And this is that
[39:39] the discussion item, right?
[39:39] We're We're on item, 42, but
[39:40] there has been mention of the
[39:41] mural. So whatever, however,
[39:45] you would like present a case.
[39:46] And I do have some questions
[39:52] for him. Our legal department.
[39:53] And I guess it's more related
[39:54] to number 2 than 42. But since
[40:00] former Jing them. So how are
[40:01] we able to spend public funds
[40:08] on private property? I think
[40:09] it's okay. Thank you. I
[40:10] because I hit the wrong
[40:11] button. That's fun.
[40:14] >> So of course you're right
[40:17] on to the issue, which is
[40:18] every dime used them has to be
[40:22] for a public purpose. So this
[40:24] organization can with your
[40:25] direction, make a contribution
[40:29] to public art. It has to
[40:30] fulfill certain requirements
[40:31] to be public has to be
[40:34] available to the public has to
[40:38] be governed by a public
[40:38] process, which both of you
[40:39] already mentioned, the art
[40:40] board would have to approve
[40:43] it. And that has to meet
[40:45] certain criteria. So yes, the
[40:47] city can contribute too, in
[40:49] this case. Again, we're kind
[40:51] of merging the concept of
[40:55] 2.42, but we've been involved.
[40:56] Our office has been involved
[41:01] in discussions. Frames. This
[41:05] resolution is your approval
[41:07] donated funds to the business
[41:10] skill that will then proceed.
[41:13] 2 figure out a design. And
[41:14] have the design approved by
[41:18] the art board and then
[41:18] completed. We would hope that
[41:21] that's not an absolute
[41:22] requirement before JANUARY.
[41:25] First, 2027, which is and when
[41:27] the new statute goes into
[41:30] effect, which says very
[41:32] clearly that no public monies
[41:40] can be spent. On any sexual
[41:41] orientation, gender, race,
[41:44] ethnicity, religious issues.
[41:46] So the legislature passed that
[41:47] legislation. We have a lot of
[41:50] discussion about it. Lot of
[41:50] people are unhappy about it.
[41:53] But what the legislature did
[41:54] do was give you this 7 month
[41:55] period from the time that it
[41:59] was passed and signed by the
[42:01] government. The governor
[42:02] sorry, too, put public's
[42:06] money. To something that might
[42:08] otherwise not be allowed by
[42:09] the staff. That's a long way
[42:11] of saying yes, as long as this
[42:14] is for public purpose. Public
[42:16] art in a public place, you can
[42:18] contribute public money as
[42:22] long as you go process. And
[42:23] we're satisfied that that
[42:24] timetable work. Everyone needs
[42:27] to hop to it so that we're
[42:28] sure that all of that gets
[42:33] done before JANUARY. 1st. But
[42:33] the legislature by giving us
[42:36] that time period allows the s
[42:41] so. Something new long answer
[42:42] to your question short answer
[42:45] is yes, we can. We can spend
[42:50] ran up against a roadblock
[42:51] where I wanted to put a cross
[42:53] walk for the elderly on that
[42:53] property that was told that we
[42:56] cannot spend.
[42:59] >> Public money, private
[43:00] property.
[43:00] >> Cross walks are
[43:03] additionally regulated. That
[43:05] brought another set of
[43:06] regulations that we have to
[43:08] take into account. So that was
[43:13] not just private property. It
[43:14] was also the fact that it was
[43:15] a crosswalk on a sidewalk. And
[43:17] those things are regulated by
[43:22] dot state, regulated. But here
[43:23] as long as the art is visible,
[43:26] so another thing you sometimes
[43:27] is electric junction boxes and
[43:30] some communities are painted
[43:32] and that's often with public
[43:34] process on the private
[43:35] property in that it's not
[43:36] owned by the city, but it's
[43:40] publicly viewed.
[43:41] >> Just a couple other
[43:43] questions. MISTER Mayor and
[43:49] so. We're going to take action
[43:50] on the $25,000. But this is
[43:51] not gone ipp to get their
[43:56] input. First.
[43:56] >> The contribution would be
[44:00] contingent upon. The approval
[44:04] by our board of the design and
[44:05] all the other process is being
[44:09] met. And and and policies
[44:10] speaking that. So you're
[44:13] you're off arising. The
[44:15] contribution subject to
[44:16] following all of those
[44:21] policies.
[44:22] >> And then my other question
[44:26] is about the benches. How were
[44:28] the benches, the rainbow
[44:28] benches that are being
[44:29] discussed? How is that
[44:30] different than the rainbow
[44:30] bike racks that were not hark
[44:33] approved?
[44:34] >> Bike rights are also
[44:36] regulated by dot the benches
[44:38] or not inches or not and not
[44:43] regulated by heart. If it's
[44:43] public are it should be
[44:52] regulated by the our port.
[44:53] >> Anyone else on the
[44:55] commission to Vice Mayor Lee,
[44:56] I just like to say that I'm
[45:00] glad that the law. It's going
[45:02] allow us to do this and I'm
[45:03] kind of glad it hasn't gone
[45:08] into effect yet. So I'm happy
[45:09] that this is going to happen
[45:10] and I look forward to
[45:13] supporting. Thank you for
[45:16] Merely a commissioner mascot.
[45:17] I just want to come at this
[45:20] from economic standpoint and I
[45:22] was watching the YouTube video
[45:23] a few weeks ago. It was the
[45:26] top 5 small town lgbtq
[45:27] friendly.
[45:28] >> And America and Qs wasn't
[45:28] mentioned and it broke my
[45:34] heart. And you know from
[45:36] economically we are in the
[45:38] business of making people
[45:38] happy. We are in the business
[45:39] entertaining people. And
[45:42] that's our collective job. And
[45:44] I think the removal of the
[45:45] cross walks while I will use
[45:49] the quote, senselessly, nasty
[45:52] a waste of time. It is what it
[45:55] is. And this is a great way to
[45:56] to honor that. So I'm looking
[45:57] forward to supporting this
[45:57] item to thank you. Thank you,
[46:01] Commissioner. Commissioner
[46:04] Ross their
[46:07] >> MR. Just a few like to
[46:07] answered. How big use the
[46:11] mural that's going down there.
[46:12] And also what is the mural? Do
[46:12] we know exactly what the
[46:16] artwork is or are we just
[46:17] voting on something saying,
[46:19] ok, you're going to put it up.
[46:20] I would like to see what's
[46:23] going up on that wall. I have
[46:24] no problem with it whatsoever.
[46:26] Want to make perfectly clear.
[46:29] But I like to see who liked
[46:30] going on that wall and how big
[46:32] it is.
[46:35] >> think my understanding just
[46:37] a share with you, says that
[46:37] there is no design it. Going
[46:41] to be a contest. A contest to
[46:42] solicit applications from
[46:45] local artists. And then that
[46:45] would be approved ultimately
[46:51] by a ipp. Our board, the art
[46:52] board so I believe would
[46:53] select or they would be a
[46:53] process with the business
[46:57] killed. The business killed, I
[46:57] think would be selecting maybe
[46:58] in the contest. Is that how
[47:01] it's working? And I I think
[47:02] there's been discussion of a
[47:03] contest. That's not a legal
[47:04] issue except.
[47:07] >> And if the contest extends
[47:08] our time frame, want to
[47:10] conservative about that. But
[47:13] to address Commissioner Ross
[47:15] ease point the process is that
[47:16] the design would be developed
[47:17] as commissioner. However, they
[47:21] choose to develop that design.
[47:22] It will go to the Arbor Day.
[47:24] Our board will hear the
[47:25] discussion take public input
[47:26] and then we'll come back to
[47:28] you for approval of that
[47:31] design. So, yes, you are
[47:33] proving conceptually
[47:34] supporting it, but you're not
[47:35] improving the designed by
[47:38] approving this agenda. I.
[47:42] >> saw that makes sense to You
[47:44] know, they're going to make a
[47:45] motion or where I do. I want
[47:48] to make a motion. And like I
[47:49] say, there's longtime overdue
[47:50] since they when we need to
[47:50] first finished the discussion
[47:51] item and then we'll come back
[47:54] to But even still. Ever since
[47:58] the rules been removed. I
[47:59] mean, it doesn't even feel
[48:02] right in the neighborhood. So
[48:04] I get a sense emptiness when I
[48:07] they on that corner. So and
[48:08] like I say, it's something put
[48:10] back. There would be
[48:12] magnificent in falls us being
[48:14] on the national registry.
[48:15] Everybody knows Key West
[48:23] friendly. 1, human family.
[48:23] Maybe day. It was an oversight
[48:26] about lgbt community. But I'm
[48:28] almost certain everywhere in
[48:30] the world. Remember Key West
[48:32] and then we've got the most
[48:33] make this magnificent event
[48:34] getting ready to take place in
[48:36] OCTOBER, going to in Fantasy
[48:40] Fest. We on the mat. If I MAY
[48:44] just mayor say all of us.
[48:45] >> Sometimes are in the know
[48:46] business because that's the
[48:49] year that we take. And
[48:50] certainly for our office some
[48:51] days it feels like all we do
[48:54] is say now and we don't this
[48:57] is a little bit of a rare
[48:58] opportunity that all of us
[49:02] have. And to be fair, the
[49:03] Legislature did give that time
[49:04] period them. And I think
[49:06] that's worth acknowledging. So
[49:06] it gives us a chance to say,
[49:08] yes, we otherwise have to say
[49:13] no.
[49:15] >> if U.S. This I want
[49:17] actually we list this year.
[49:20] >> Like to hear from if we
[49:21] could.
[49:22] >> Well, we can, when we do
[49:24] that, we have item number 2,
[49:24] specifically to the mural. But
[49:26] I just want to wrap up the
[49:28] discussion item. I agree with
[49:31] Paul, all the comments and I
[49:31] really appreciate the positive
[49:34] attitude of this commission
[49:35] with respect to What we're
[49:36] trying to do I want to tell
[49:38] each one of you that I think
[49:39] this is sending the right
[49:40] message to our community and
[49:44] it's important right now. The
[49:44] people know that that how we
[49:48] feel about this and I want to
[49:49] say that as far as the larger
[49:51] issues on Wall Street, we're
[49:52] well what we're going to
[49:54] tackle that. There's some
[49:54] people question. What about
[49:55] the rest of Duval Street?
[49:57] We're going to get to that.
[49:58] But this is these are the 2
[49:59] blocks that had the tremendous
[50:04] loss in the last year I'm
[50:06] going to lean heavily on
[50:06] Commissioner Rossi with
[50:07] respect to the rest of Duval
[50:08] Street. So I want to hear from
[50:10] you, c really hope we can
[50:12] start with garbage cans
[50:16] because are in place those
[50:17] garbage or get to that? Got to
[50:18] tell you're right on the
[50:18] money. Mayor.
[50:20] >> The trash cans right now
[50:23] changes are broke. Need to be
[50:26] cleaned and Nate, we needed
[50:28] that says, Oh, man, you're
[50:29] right. OCTOBER OCTOBER, it's
[50:31] on garbage case. We got we
[50:34] have to. But getting back to
[50:35] why why these 2 items are on
[50:36] the agenda is because of the
[50:37] urgency. That commissioner
[50:38] mean Vice Mayor Lee just
[50:39] mentioned.
[50:39] >> Because of our deadline
[50:41] fast approaching on JANUARY
[50:44] one. So I really appreciate
[50:45] your support. With that, let's
[50:45] move on to item number 2. Is
[50:49] that okay, MADAM? Resolutions
[50:51] item number 2 recommending to
[50:53] the art in public places board
[50:54] for its consideration. The use
[50:56] ipp funds in an amount.
[50:58] >> Not to exceed $25,000 to be
[50:59] contributed toward a public
[51:02] art installation to be placed
[51:03] at 801 Duval Street celebrate
[51:05] in Key West lgbtq+ history and
[51:07] culture directing the city
[51:08] manager to transmit district
[51:08] recommendation to Ipp board
[51:10] for its consideration,
[51:13] providing that the
[51:13] contribution and the artwork
[51:14] shall comply with all
[51:18] applicable laws. Providing
[51:18] that the artwork shall comply
[51:21] with all city processes and
[51:22] procedures for approval
[51:22] providing that following
[51:23] receipt of the donation. The
[51:24] city shall not be responsible
[51:26] for the allocation of any
[51:26] funds for the maintenance
[51:30] repair or other. Keep up. Keep
[51:30] the artwork on or after
[51:35] JANUARY. First 2027.
[51:36] >> Given Commissioner Carey
[51:36] suggestion, can we ask MISS
[51:39] Liz Young to come forward?
[51:39] Share her thoughts on this
[51:51] item. Please. Good morning,
[51:52] Liz. Young, 7.11, Francis
[51:54] Street on your public art
[51:54] administrator.
[51:55] >> Happy to answer any
[51:59] questions.
[52:00] >> Commissioner Carey have
[52:02] questions I did want to ask. I
[52:06] spoke with my appointee and I
[52:06] she's the CHAIRMAN Of the
[52:09] board and I guess she wasn't
[52:10] to up to speed on this Ipp
[52:13] hasn't heard much about it.
[52:14] Think the last that she Ipp
[52:17] had a discussion about was the
[52:19] arch at which point an ipp
[52:21] felt that the arch was signage
[52:26] and not so much. Art. And so
[52:29] wasn't in favor of the arch
[52:30] concept, perhaps we're looking
[52:32] for something different. So
[52:35] can you maybe speak to that a
[52:36] little bit?
[52:37] >> I'm happy to. We've had
[52:38] many meetings about the
[52:40] removal of the crosswalks. I
[52:43] had several meetings Mayor
[52:45] Henriquez. We met with the
[52:46] business killed and then we've
[52:50] had presentations Ipp. The
[52:52] last I heard I wrote an rfp
[52:53] and it made it all the way to
[52:54] MISS Harden's office. And then
[52:58] it was set aside is down said
[53:02] that it would violate the new
[53:02] law that's going into effect.
[53:04] So it was set aside,
[53:05] unfortunately, I mean, no one
[53:06] wanted that result. But that
[53:10] was what we heard. The only
[53:12] thing is that I opened up the
[53:13] agenda on Monday morning in my
[53:14] office and said, oh, this is
[53:16] near. We had not heard about
[53:18] this. I mean, obviously the
[53:20] board labs public are we want
[53:20] more are died. Put are done
[53:22] every block. If you know, we
[53:25] could afford it. I'm not sure.
[53:28] The $25,000 one is enough for
[53:30] mural and to be perfectly
[53:31] frank, we don't use the word
[53:32] contest. I can remember who
[53:33] just said it. It would be a
[53:35] call for proposals. Anybody
[53:38] would be eligible. We would
[53:41] obviously love to have that
[53:44] those funds stay, but anybody
[53:46] could apply. I don't know who
[53:46] owns the building at 801,
[53:49] honestly, I haven't done much
[53:50] research, but actually what it
[53:51] comes down to a Commissioner
[53:55] Haskell. And I knowing all of
[53:56] the art in public places rules
[53:57] and ordinances, but actually
[54:00] murals go to hark. They don't
[54:01] even come to art in public
[54:04] places. Hark give the
[54:08] proposed. Business owner.
[54:13] Whoever wants to do the mural
[54:14] a certificate of
[54:14] appropriateness and then it
[54:16] actually comes right to the
[54:16] commission. It's one of those
[54:19] things we've discussed. Staff
[54:23] has discussed often with with
[54:26] Kendall and her staff, MR.
[54:27] Dunn staff about why the
[54:29] murals skip a ipp. But
[54:29] actually that's that's what's
[54:32] happening right now. It could
[54:33] change. I'm happy to have a
[54:38] change. It just to let you
[54:39] know, looks like the legal
[54:40] department wants chime in
[54:42] MISTER Mayor, if I can clarify
[54:44] just for that and and not to
[54:45] correctly, this would not be a
[54:48] city project specifically.
[54:49] >> rfp would not go out from
[54:51] the city. Is this will be
[54:53] handled by the business killed
[54:53] itself. So that's why it was
[54:55] mentioned it would be a
[54:55] contest. This would just be
[55:00] and asked to use ipp funding
[55:01] to place towards this public
[55:02] display of art that that is
[55:03] going to be handled by an
[55:05] outside entity. Correct?
[55:06] Correct. This is just a
[55:08] contribution by the city
[55:09] towards that project. Think
[55:11] could could the resolution
[55:12] then state that the business
[55:12] killed is running it and not
[55:15] Ipp?
[55:16] >> And then of course, I will
[55:17] put it on the agenda as an
[55:20] action item are meeting. Is
[55:22] SEPTEMBER 16th and it will be
[55:23] up to your appointees. I I
[55:24] don't have a So I'm happy to
[55:27] put it on the agenda. For your
[55:30] appointees on SEPTEMBER. 16th.
[55:32] But whatever the business
[55:33] kilda's, what then actually go
[55:35] to hark and not to is the way
[55:38] I understand it. Thank you.
[55:39] And yes, and that is correct
[55:40] as well. It would go to heart
[55:41] for approval.
[55:42] >> And then come from heart to
[55:45] you all. But I'm a ipp with
[55:46] the contribution of the funds.
[55:46] Absolutely. Can, you know,
[55:48] make some suggestions as as
[55:50] well. The reason it goes day
[55:51] at Pps because we're asking to
[55:56] use in lieu fifa that get paid
[55:57] into If someone does not want
[55:58] to do the display of public
[56:00] art on their property when
[56:02] they have major development
[56:02] plan, they pay a one percent
[56:05] fee to the city. And that's
[56:06] what we're asking those funds
[56:09] to come from.
[56:10] >> Thank you again. That was
[56:12] my error. I misspoke. So there
[56:12] will be approval and you will
[56:16] have an opportunity to look
[56:16] what the art board has to do
[56:17] is approve the allocation of
[56:19] the funds for the
[56:21] contribution. Thank you for
[56:23] the clarification. Just want
[56:24] to reemphasize what vice
[56:26] merely said earlier in the
[56:28] urgency that this process get
[56:30] done before JANUARY one.
[56:30] >> And we're now we're talking
[56:33] about 2 boards. So we want to
[56:36] make sure that the direction
[56:39] is clear ipp and heart that
[56:39] this needs to be done within
[56:42] the time for it. And we can do
[56:44] some parallel approvals. And
[56:47] Vice Mayor Lee, I was going to
[56:48] say with that sense of
[56:50] urgency, a move for approval.
[56:53] I second. Okay, a second. Vice
[56:57] Mayor Lee moves Commissioner
[56:57] Chrystia seconds is a morning
[57:00] session. Discussions does, of
[57:02] one of the very important
[57:04] question putting until one do
[57:04] we have the permission from
[57:08] the building owner?
[57:08] >> And there are they aware of
[57:12] this just to find this out? I
[57:13] we're probably moving fast
[57:14] year, guys and I want to get
[57:17] it done too. But do we have
[57:17] the permission? I believe that
[57:21] Joe Judge orders building.
[57:22] He's right here. Some looks
[57:28] like, Joe.
[57:30] >> look at that for you, thank
[57:33] you, for on that. So you'll
[57:36] hear from from the business
[57:37] killed. We'll bring forward
[57:38] whatever they propose for the
[57:39] mural.
[57:43] >> Okay. More discussion. So
[57:44] what MISTER Mayor, Division or
[57:44] care? Thank you. Just for
[57:48] clarity. So this resolution is
[57:51] simply to urge a ipp. To
[57:55] consider the $25,000 donation
[57:56] to think of his new skill. But
[58:00] Ipp is out. And then that
[58:02] falls to the business killed
[58:03] to vote on or have a contest
[58:08] to make a decision and
[58:10] >> Will you go? She was to
[58:10] marry the 2. Yes. Commissioner
[58:11] who want to make sure that
[58:14] time is of the essence. So we
[58:17] need to not get bogged down in
[58:19] bureaucracy. Let's get it
[58:22] moving forward and moving Add
[58:23] one quick question, MISTER
[58:25] Basket, does it? Does this
[58:25] mural have to be completed
[58:27] before the end of the year or
[58:27] does it just have to be
[58:28] allocated the funds and
[58:31] everything completes towns?
[58:32] >> We would prefer that is
[58:34] completed. But the only action
[58:37] the city is taking the zippy
[58:38] public funds is the
[58:42] contribution of the money. So
[58:44] we can cut. That's why the
[58:45] saying we will pay for Said
[58:47] that we have an agreement and
[58:49] understanding precisely what
[58:50] those funds are for. If we
[58:52] can't get it actually
[58:53] finished. But the city will
[58:56] done its part. Mabry put the
[58:57] money in escrow, but what will
[58:59] find a way to accomplish that?
[59:00] Okay. To be sure in compliance
[59:01] with the statute. Great. Thank
[59:05] you.
[59:10] >> Okay, with that. You have.
[59:11] >> MAY or MAY I just say when
[59:14] we do come to the ai.
[59:15] >> Hold on one 0nd. We have a
[59:15] we have an audio issue here
[59:22] the dyes. Thank you very much
[59:23] for all of this attention and
[59:25] consideration. I just want it
[59:27] reiterate that I will work
[59:27] with legal so that what comes
[59:31] in front of ipp? I actually
[59:34] don't think in my since 2017
[59:35] that Ipp has made a donation
[59:39] to a nonprofit. So I I I don't
[59:42] know that our ordinance allows
[59:42] those inland fees to do that.
[59:44] And usually it's for
[59:46] maintenance. But we'll we'll
[59:47] take a look at it and make
[59:48] sure I'm assuming they've
[59:49] already done that before. They
[59:51] wrote this resolution. But we
[59:52] will make sure that our ducks
[59:54] are in a row for SEPTEMBER.
[59:55] 16th. We appreciate your
[59:56] assistance. Okay, okay. If
[59:58] there's nothing further call
[1:00:00] the Roll. Commissioner Carey.
[1:00:02] Yes, commissioner Castillo.
[1:00:04] Yes, commissioner Haskell.
[1:00:06] Yes, commissioner Lee. Yes.
[1:00:06] Commissioner mascots. Yes.
[1:00:08] Commissioner Ross Yes. Mayor
[1:00:09] Coffman. Yes. Thank you for
[1:00:12] your support. Motion passes.
[1:00:15] Item number 12 approving under
[1:00:17] the General architectural
[1:00:17] services contract with under
[1:00:19] an associates. Architects pa a
[1:00:20] task order for professional
[1:00:21] Design services.
[1:00:22] >> From Mallory Square
[1:00:23] bathroom renovation and
[1:00:24] addition in the amount of 200
[1:00:29] and what, 202,000 $645
[1:00:29] authorizing any necessary
[1:00:32] budget transfers or amendments
[1:00:33] authorizing the city manager
[1:00:34] to execute necessary documents
[1:00:36] up on consent. The city
[1:00:36] attorney and we have a public
[1:00:40] speaker, Joe Walsh. Welcome.
[1:00:47] MISTER Walsh.
[1:00:50] >> Good Morning Joe. On 4.29
[1:00:51] Caroline Street. MISTER Berkey
[1:00:53] is a terrific architect and
[1:00:54] better from is it sensational.
[1:00:56] The task order seems clear.
[1:00:57] And the budget to me seems
[1:00:59] fine. So at the end of I
[1:01:01] wouldn't encourage you 2.
[1:01:05] Approve it. But I would
[1:01:08] suggest that the scope is not
[1:01:10] large enough. Several years
[1:01:11] ago that the city engage the
[1:01:16] from to do a number the public
[1:01:17] meetings and analysis and
[1:01:20] Mallory Square. It came up
[1:01:22] with 2 primary iterations.
[1:01:22] Both included moving the
[1:01:25] restrooms from their current
[1:01:27] location. Well, white and that
[1:01:28] MAY or MAY not have made
[1:01:29] sense. They did not include
[1:01:31] remodeling it where it is. So
[1:01:34] the I would suggest that that
[1:01:36] if if this is moving this city
[1:01:37] in a different direction.
[1:01:40] Psaki proposal. I would
[1:01:42] encourage scope of work to
[1:01:44] include at a minimum that
[1:01:46] portion Mallory Square to walk
[1:01:47] away in a long Sally, for
[1:01:49] example, between waterfront
[1:01:50] Playhouse in the historic
[1:01:50] Cistern where the bathrooms
[1:01:54] are currently sit as well as
[1:01:57] where Am I lift station is as
[1:02:03] well as potentially historic
[1:02:05] yet military memorial there,
[1:02:10] which and and my personal
[1:02:13] view, if the location is isn't
[1:02:14] his dignified respectful as it
[1:02:15] deserves. But nonetheless, so
[1:02:15] I would encourage you to
[1:02:20] increase the scope there
[1:02:22] currently are our 3, urinals
[1:02:22] and to water clauses in the
[1:02:24] Metro 5 water closets in
[1:02:26] ladies room. Most of the
[1:02:27] complaints are not related to
[1:02:29] capacity to relate to
[1:02:30] cleanliness. What today
[1:02:33] actually look like. So I'd
[1:02:36] encourage you to take a look
[1:02:37] And if this is a step or
[1:02:39] $200,000 and redeveloping
[1:02:40] Mallory Square, I would say
[1:02:41] take a look at the walkway in
[1:02:44] again, which is not good. Take
[1:02:45] a look at the restrooms
[1:02:46] themselves, which again is not
[1:02:48] good. But if you're changing
[1:02:49] from the from the plan that
[1:02:51] was was looked at and approved
[1:02:53] that you're asking MR. And his
[1:02:56] firm to look at it larger than
[1:02:56] just read the reference. Thank
[1:03:03] you, sir. Okay. Bring it back
[1:03:06] to the commission as their
[1:03:07] discussion. You know, social
[1:03:08] want to discuss mission are
[1:03:09] also having him business and
[1:03:12] the 200 block of Duval Street.
[1:03:14] >> I actually have the only
[1:03:15] public restrooms the down
[1:03:18] there. Sometimes that book to
[1:03:19] go in there for a quarter to
[1:03:23] use it just for keep it out.
[1:03:23] But I would recommend is
[1:03:24] restrooms need to be bomb
[1:03:28] proof? Mean, seriously, what
[1:03:28] people do go into these
[1:03:32] restrooms. You'll never
[1:03:34] believe till you see it means
[1:03:35] it's bat. So I would say that
[1:03:37] I would least like to see what
[1:03:41] is planned there. How much
[1:03:43] going to be looking at over
[1:03:43] close to a million dollars to
[1:03:47] build restrooms. Tell you that
[1:03:48] right now and then you got to
[1:03:49] make sure that this restrooms
[1:03:52] are kept clean. You are we
[1:03:54] going to have somebody down
[1:03:55] there and it turns into really
[1:03:57] be something. Let me tell you,
[1:04:01] unlike just snow, you know.
[1:04:02] The design of those roads and
[1:04:07] I tell you. They said earlier
[1:04:13] take it. Rough just a Anyone
[1:04:15] else? Any MR. Maher. Yes, but
[1:04:16] I can see the water from
[1:04:17] playing as producing million
[1:04:20] dollar bathrooms as their next
[1:04:22] But fell in all seriousness.
[1:04:23] But Commissioner Rusty, you
[1:04:23] are correct. What goes on in
[1:04:26] those bathrooms are.
[1:04:30] >> So as as hard and they can
[1:04:31] possibly be is really
[1:04:33] necessary. But what's most
[1:04:34] important is what I've
[1:04:34] observed being a boundary
[1:04:37] square is maintenance of those
[1:04:38] bathrooms and making sure that
[1:04:41] there is a plan to keep them
[1:04:42] clean because they could be
[1:04:43] the most beautifully designed
[1:04:44] bathrooms ever. But if we're
[1:04:47] not maintaining them, then,
[1:04:48] you know, people are going to
[1:04:50] be turned off and they're
[1:04:51] going to they're not going to
[1:04:51] carry that those bathrooms
[1:04:52] because they're not going to
[1:04:54] feel like there. Now. That's
[1:04:59] all thank you, MISTER Mayor
[1:05:00] Commissioner If I MAY I and
[1:05:02] believe me, visit down there
[1:05:02] lot go to Mary Square probably
[1:05:07] every day.
[1:05:07] >> I don't know what is the
[1:05:09] mentality of some of the
[1:05:10] people that use the bathroom.
[1:05:10] They have to take the whole
[1:05:12] roll of toilet paper and just.
[1:05:16] On the school. In the Commode
[1:05:21] Bowl stuff everywhere. I come
[1:05:22] in the maintenance department
[1:05:25] when they do come to clean
[1:05:29] them also out handicap.
[1:05:30] Handicap community. These
[1:05:33] bathrooms have accommodate.
[1:05:35] When when. We look at out
[1:05:39] tourist town. And a person's
[1:05:42] in a wheelchair or mobile
[1:05:43] chair and they go to that
[1:05:46] bathroom and they say it. They
[1:05:47] turn around the goal to Mark's
[1:05:51] place. I must say a shame of
[1:05:58] it. And it. I know and we have
[1:05:59] someone down Every square know
[1:06:02] parkins down the all the time.
[1:06:06] But it's got to be somebody to
[1:06:07] Ali school check on those
[1:06:07] bathrooms, at least every
[1:06:11] every 2 to 4 hours because we
[1:06:14] don't know what it a home home
[1:06:16] doing. It. I don't know who do
[1:06:17] it. I really do. And I don't
[1:06:18] understand the mentality of
[1:06:21] it. But again, the handicap,
[1:06:25] it's my main concern. The
[1:06:27] access. I don't like the area
[1:06:27] is in because I don't think
[1:06:30] it's given. Do the military
[1:06:32] plakon unification next. A
[1:06:33] bathroom. But everybody's got
[1:06:37] to go to bathroom. So I guess,
[1:06:39] you know, that's the best face
[1:06:40] forward. But I just want
[1:06:41] express that those bathrooms
[1:06:45] are. Not that Thank you. Thank
[1:06:49] you, commissioner. Anyone else
[1:06:50] I move to approve MISTER.
[1:06:50] Okay. We have a motion by
[1:06:51] Monica Hesse. Cool.
[1:06:55] >> I think. I was sorry I
[1:07:00] heard I heard from this side
[1:07:01] for a motion by Commissioner
[1:07:01] Carey second by Commissioner
[1:07:04] Castillo. I would just add
[1:07:06] we've talked about bathrooms
[1:07:07] along Duval Street for many
[1:07:08] years and the need for
[1:07:11] increased availability. So
[1:07:11] >> it's definitely something
[1:07:12] that's on the radar of this
[1:07:15] city and commission. Something
[1:07:16] we need to talk about. And
[1:07:17] again, leaning heavily on
[1:07:18] Commissioner Rossi for these
[1:07:23] items going forward. Just want
[1:07:24] to ask is anybody by chance
[1:07:28] here from better associates?
[1:07:29] Okay. It's not. I'm sure they
[1:07:30] will be listening and watching
[1:07:31] the video so they'll take into
[1:07:33] consideration or comments with
[1:07:36] that could be called. Want to
[1:07:37] say something. Commissioner
[1:07:39] has a lot of Sorry, go ahead.
[1:07:40] Yes. Did you get your motion a
[1:07:43] second? Yes. Okay. So thank
[1:07:46] you. I think that MR. Walsh
[1:07:47] brought up a good point that
[1:07:49] we do have a master plan
[1:07:49] Mallory Square.
[1:07:54] >> And didn't track with that
[1:07:58] earlier the this new bathroom
[1:07:59] proposed new bathroom in an
[1:08:01] adjacent to the existing
[1:08:04] bathroom was in a different
[1:08:04] location than is is shown in
[1:08:06] that master plan. So I just
[1:08:09] think that that should be
[1:08:14] considered for sure.
[1:08:15] >> I'm not going to try to
[1:08:16] pull the resolution up in case
[1:08:17] my computer starts talking out
[1:08:21] loud
[1:08:21] >> so I can't look at the
[1:08:23] resolution, but can the
[1:08:27] resolutions say something?
[1:08:27] >> Not that doesn't doesn't
[1:08:33] limit the new bathroom plan
[1:08:35] Jay sent to the existing
[1:08:36] bathroom. What does it not
[1:08:36] even have that limitation in
[1:08:38] it?
[1:08:41] >> Because like I would like
[1:08:42] to encourage b#
[1:08:42] #
[1:08:42] #
[1:08:42] #
[1:08:42] #
[1:08:42] and
[1:08:43] associates, you know, taking
[1:08:43] taking a look at the whole
[1:08:48] plant, which I'm sure.
[1:08:49] >> They're willing and able to
[1:08:50] do. And they're I'm sure that
[1:08:50] familiar with the plan. I
[1:08:53] would just like to give
[1:08:55] >> direction that that
[1:08:56] actually happened.
[1:08:57] >> Can we asked legal staff to
[1:08:58] come on that night? My
[1:09:01] understanding is that the
[1:09:01] master plan has been approved
[1:09:02] by the commission. So I don't
[1:09:03] think that's actually an
[1:09:07] existing plan. So although
[1:09:08] that was really good work done
[1:09:11] by Psaki from and that we have
[1:09:12] those plans available to us.
[1:09:13] That's not an actionable plan
[1:09:16] at this point. It's why so
[1:09:17] understand what you're saying.
[1:09:17] Commissioner Haskell. So can
[1:09:20] we hear from legal stuff? What
[1:09:22] is the question, Commissioner
[1:09:25] Haskell? Could you repeat the
[1:09:26] question? Please? I want to
[1:09:28] pull up the resolution so I
[1:09:29] could read it. I can't see it
[1:09:31] right this minute. So I was
[1:09:33] asking, did the resolutions
[1:09:34] specify the location of the
[1:09:35] additional bathroom?
[1:09:38] >> Because I don't want to
[1:09:38] limit it to be an adjacent to
[1:09:41] the existing bathroom. These
[1:09:46] now are down to
[1:09:47] >> Thank commissioners. It
[1:09:48] doesn't it's the area we've
[1:09:51] looked at. We do actually have
[1:09:52] flood so Ning issue there that
[1:09:56] we have had to resolve the
[1:09:58] master plan that as the mayor
[1:09:59] indicated was not approved,
[1:10:01] but it's got component of it.
[1:10:04] That bathrooms as one of it as
[1:10:06] well. You'll see at a later
[1:10:08] meetings, shade structures as
[1:10:09] well as landscaping. So we're
[1:10:12] trying to here to at least the
[1:10:12] concepts of that master plan
[1:10:15] and the component. But as far
[1:10:15] as the location of the
[1:10:18] bathroom, not set. We just
[1:10:19] looked at and it seemed like
[1:10:22] an ideal location, but we can
[1:10:23] had architect look at other
[1:10:25] locations. If that's
[1:10:25] appropriate.
[1:10:26] >> Okay. Thank you. I'm
[1:10:29] satisfied with that, MR.
[1:10:31] Bradshaw, can you please ask
[1:10:33] MR. Burke, Ian, Better
[1:10:34] Associates to consider the
[1:10:35] comments that were made today
[1:10:35] by MR. Walsh and the
[1:10:36] Commission. Yes, Sir. Thank
[1:10:39] you. Okay. We're ready for a
[1:10:41] vote either discussion. MADAM
[1:10:44] Clerk and please call the Roll
[1:10:45] Commissioner Carey. Yes,
[1:10:45] commissioner Casteel. Yes,
[1:10:48] commissioner Haskell.
[1:10:52] >> I just pulled up the at
[1:10:53] additional rest rooms with the
[1:10:55] construction of a new restroom
[1:10:55] facility adjacent to the
[1:11:00] existing facility. I'd like
[1:11:01] that to be struck, actually.
[1:11:02] Otherwise, if it's too late to
[1:11:03] do that, I'm just going vote
[1:11:08] emotion. But if
[1:11:09] >> town's what guidance to
[1:11:10] have since we're in roll.
[1:11:14] Call. With the correct. Let's
[1:11:16] take let's take 30 seconds to
[1:11:20] love All the motion back with
[1:11:30] corrections. Table to your
[1:11:31] references to the language
[1:11:31] that says additionally the
[1:11:34] city would like to add
[1:11:35] additional restroom.
[1:11:35] >> So that can hear you.
[1:11:40] Sorry.
[1:11:42] >> You're commissioner
[1:11:43] Haskell's reference, I think
[1:11:47] is to the second, whereas
[1:11:49] paragraph on additionally the
[1:11:49] city would like to add
[1:11:52] additional rest rooms. But the
[1:11:54] construction of a new restroom
[1:11:56] facility adjacent to the
[1:11:57] existing facility. Yes, up the
[1:12:00] task order. And that's where I
[1:12:01] think we need staff to tell us
[1:12:03] whether the task order
[1:12:06] includes that or not. And off
[1:12:08] top. My head. I don't know the
[1:12:15] answer to that.
[1:12:16] >> Okay. And that staff had
[1:12:17] recommended that the location
[1:12:20] next to it be looked at again.
[1:12:21] I have no problem. And again,
[1:12:23] if the resolution needs to
[1:12:24] modified is asking the
[1:12:25] architect and look at other
[1:12:27] possible locations. So I don't
[1:12:30] have a problem with that. It
[1:12:31] just that that seemed like the
[1:12:31] logical location because it's
[1:12:37] adjacent to that existing. Ok,
[1:12:38] why don't we? When we pull
[1:12:40] back the roll call and start
[1:12:42] motion again or what do you
[1:12:44] what advice? I think we need
[1:12:45] to do that because I think
[1:12:47] need to get straight about
[1:12:49] what the task order is so that
[1:12:50] clear so that MR. Jones, to
[1:12:50] have a recommended amended
[1:12:55] motion.
[1:12:56] >> If if we can push this back
[1:12:56] after I have a chance to talk
[1:12:58] to MISTER Bradshaw because I
[1:13:00] don't have the task order.
[1:13:04] It's ok, so is there a motion
[1:13:05] to table guess to table MISTER
[1:13:09] Mayor until when the and the
[1:13:10] resolution after the break.
[1:13:11] Talk about it during the
[1:13:12] break. Ok, is there a motion
[1:13:17] to table? So we will you
[1:13:18] Commissioner Ross the table, a
[1:13:18] motion motion to table
[1:13:21] Commissioner Kaseya seconds.
[1:13:22] All those in favor. Aye. Aye.
[1:13:23] Any opposed hearing. None
[1:13:27] motion carries. Thank you to
[1:13:31] item number 14 approving a
[1:13:32] task order for professional
[1:13:34] design services for Hicks,
[1:13:34] Beach master planning in an
[1:13:38] amount of $188,130 under the
[1:13:39] general architectural.
[1:13:39] >> Services contract with
[1:13:42] vendor and Associates,
[1:13:44] Architects pa authorizing any
[1:13:45] necessary budget transfers or
[1:13:47] adjustments authorizing the
[1:13:48] city manager to execute
[1:13:49] necessary documents up on
[1:13:51] consent of the city attorney
[1:13:53] and we have to public
[1:13:53] speakers. Rita, right,
[1:13:57] followed by Sir Kayla. If I
[1:13:57] mispronounced your name
[1:14:08] colleges. There's a button
[1:14:14] right next to the. You're Go
[1:14:14] ahead.
[1:14:14] >> Good morning. Mayor and
[1:14:16] commissioners. I was asked to
[1:14:20] come. By the mayor to speak on
[1:14:24] this. I'm a reader, right?
[1:14:25] Live 12 15, Catherine Street
[1:14:31] apartment 3. I lived here for
[1:14:34] 28 years and I am the
[1:14:36] organizer of the day of
[1:14:36] Remembrance that we just
[1:14:40] celebrated last Sunday. Thank
[1:14:40] you to the city City
[1:14:45] commissioner. And the mayor
[1:14:46] came to that event. Thank you.
[1:14:51] Down at the African cemetery.
[1:14:52] I just want to make the point
[1:14:56] that everyone who came out. So
[1:14:56] I have success for this event
[1:14:59] was the ceremony has been
[1:15:03] happening. Thank Since 2000.
[1:15:04] Well, I wasn't a part of what
[1:15:07] was going on with the park.
[1:15:08] Across the street from the
[1:15:12] cemetery cross the street from
[1:15:13] the cemetery is where the dog
[1:15:16] park and all I wasn't a part
[1:15:21] of making that situation
[1:15:22] happened. But now that that is
[1:15:23] a space there across the
[1:15:26] street and the dot part, the
[1:15:27] city, they scraped the plan
[1:15:31] that they originally had,
[1:15:32] which was to kind could
[1:15:34] converge. Both cemeteries
[1:15:35] cemetery across the street and
[1:15:39] the cemetery. That's already
[1:15:40] the amount. So they scrapped
[1:15:41] that matter. We have in the
[1:15:43] administration, the hat we
[1:15:49] could consider. And we have.
[1:15:52] We're suggesting Rose
[1:15:53] diversity is suggesting that
[1:15:55] we have and session host Ryan
[1:15:57] and and the reflection park
[1:16:03] across the street. Have signs
[1:16:03] like the grotto at Saint
[1:16:05] Mary's where you go set
[1:16:07] reflect. He said, think about
[1:16:11] the people buried there.
[1:16:14] African symbols on it. And I
[1:16:16] need to point out When I
[1:16:20] became pilot, Larry, it. There
[1:16:21] was a group of students that
[1:16:22] came down from Princeton
[1:16:27] University. And they research
[1:16:29] project about the cemetery and
[1:16:31] how the city has handled the
[1:16:34] situation with the cemetery.
[1:16:35] And it just came out in the
[1:16:40] big Rolling Stone article. And
[1:16:42] it's it's it's It's a great
[1:16:46] article that came down. It's
[1:16:49] entitled respect 3rd. And
[1:16:50] wanted to just have some
[1:16:54] respect. We're just asking
[1:16:57] that you consider having place
[1:17:00] where it could be sacred. It
[1:17:01] could be honoring ancestors.
[1:17:02] We could go there across the
[1:17:05] street. And have our
[1:17:07] ceremonies have are our bring
[1:17:09] our offerings just like they
[1:17:12] do it. Saint Mary's, because
[1:17:16] these students are watching.
[1:17:16] And then now Rolling Stone.
[1:17:20] The world is watching him and
[1:17:20] ancestors of watching. And
[1:17:24] thank you. Thank you.
[1:17:36] >> I'm sorry, Sir. Kayla. I am
[1:17:38] sick. I couldn't detect. Most
[1:17:41] of her secret. Thank you all
[1:17:42] for being in for listing.
[1:17:43] Thank you for that. You
[1:17:44] support a day of remembrance
[1:17:47] as well. This is a sacred
[1:17:52] burial site. In various
[1:17:53] African societies. Deceased
[1:17:54] loved ones were buried beneath
[1:17:58] the home. This kept their
[1:17:59] presence close to serve as
[1:18:00] advisors intimacy like they
[1:18:01] shouldn't do on their
[1:18:04] birthday. Festival days. It's
[1:18:08] one of our traditions knowing
[1:18:09] I loved ones are still with
[1:18:10] us. Still watching is a
[1:18:11] crucial key in African. They
[1:18:13] societies which helps us to
[1:18:14] hold community members to a
[1:18:18] higher standard. Jesus on day
[1:18:19] of judgment ancestors. In the
[1:18:25] meantime. The pairing U.S. Key
[1:18:27] West welcomed these poor souls
[1:18:27] after rescuing them from their
[1:18:31] doomed slavers ships. Key West
[1:18:32] became their caregiver and
[1:18:36] death. Their custodian. We are
[1:18:37] asking now for some
[1:18:38] designation of their area
[1:18:39] beyond just the already
[1:18:41] established memorial because
[1:18:44] after all, graves the area
[1:18:45] across the street, we are
[1:18:49] completely ignoring them. We
[1:18:49] asked where Memorial Park at
[1:18:53] the very least we can that
[1:18:53] post similar to the ones that
[1:18:57] the existing memorial. The
[1:18:58] Post got out money area
[1:18:59] inside. We could have a green
[1:18:59] space with the house of some
[1:19:03] sort niche spaces where people
[1:19:04] leave offerings, sit
[1:19:07] contemplation. With the
[1:19:08] ancestors. The whole park
[1:19:08] could be a place of
[1:19:12] reflection. This is picnic
[1:19:15] tables, a water feature
[1:19:16] simple, but powerful gestures
[1:19:20] of love respect. Long overdue.
[1:19:24] Kyle Lohse where Congo Square
[1:19:24] is well known in New Orleans
[1:19:27] as a cultural destination. It
[1:19:29] would not hurt us to offer a
[1:19:29] similar cultural destination
[1:19:33] here in Key West. Shrines and
[1:19:34] an expanded memorial space
[1:19:38] would help encourage tourism.
[1:19:39] We like to see seats just saw
[1:19:40] there so we can have our green
[1:19:40] yet. Still stories to the
[1:19:45] young once. So we can separate
[1:19:46] the ancestors and spend time
[1:19:46] so we can beat the drum and
[1:19:50] make offerings. Feed our
[1:19:54] ancestors. Well, we eat well.
[1:19:55] This gesture was stripped in
[1:19:55] our community, not just the
[1:19:57] brown community but all shades
[1:19:57] as blessings. Do not know
[1:20:03] color. This is a piece of art
[1:20:04] by a friend of ours. Mean it
[1:20:11] means and go back and get it.
[1:20:13] We're here now. We're African
[1:20:15] Americans. We asked you to
[1:20:15] help us honor our ancestors
[1:20:16] and reclaimed his piece of our
[1:20:24] culture. Oil, green space with
[1:20:25] marble images for shrines,
[1:20:26] water feature benches, picnic
[1:20:29] tables, memorial pose. We
[1:20:30] asked you to pour patients
[1:20:31] with us for these ancestors
[1:20:32] and watch a communal blessings
[1:20:35] increase. We have an
[1:20:37] opportunity to create a true
[1:20:38] cultural gem for locals and
[1:20:40] tourists alike. That think.
[1:20:41] This is sacred ground. Thank
[1:20:45] you. Thank Thank That's all
[1:20:47] bring it Bring you back to the
[1:20:51] commission. Mascot since this
[1:20:54] is district 5, would you like
[1:20:56] to start off Yes, I got to.
[1:20:58] Want to thank the 2 speakers
[1:20:58] every to and scale for
[1:21:03] speaking up about this.
[1:21:04] >> I remember in 2017 when we
[1:21:06] had to rearrange the dog parks
[1:21:10] because of the graves that
[1:21:12] were found across the street.
[1:21:13] And that was pretty much all
[1:21:14] the county did was just moved.
[1:21:20] The dog parks. I don't know. I
[1:21:21] read the Rolling Stone
[1:21:21] article. It was very powerful.
[1:21:23] I don't know where the rest of
[1:21:25] the graves are, but we must
[1:21:29] can any of these discussions
[1:21:32] respect no matter where they
[1:21:37] are. And I during agenda
[1:21:38] review with the city manager
[1:21:38] and said it wasn't here to to
[1:21:39] blow things up. But this is,
[1:21:40] you know, pretty important.
[1:21:45] But especially across the
[1:21:47] street, the dog park does not
[1:21:48] go by docks. Not watching, but
[1:21:48] the dog park does not need to
[1:21:51] be as large as it currently
[1:21:54] is. I think that's the b#
[1:21:54] #
[1:21:54] #
[1:21:54] #
[1:21:54] #
[1:21:55] and all of the other folks
[1:21:57] agree that it is even for the
[1:21:58] large dog park does not need
[1:22:00] to be that large. We can
[1:22:02] figure out how to find. I hope
[1:22:03] we can figure out and find
[1:22:05] these graves and to figure out
[1:22:08] how best to honor them. You
[1:22:11] know, people didn't that the
[1:22:11] article mentions that there
[1:22:12] MAY even be some under the
[1:22:17] road on Atlantic Boulevard. So
[1:22:18] I think we need to in any way
[1:22:22] make sure that we honor that
[1:22:23] there. There. That would put
[1:22:26] us didn't rescuing those
[1:22:30] people. So you know, I would I
[1:22:33] want to direct the from 2 make
[1:22:38] sure that we do something I
[1:22:40] don't know how the sb 1134
[1:22:40] would affect this, but I know
[1:22:44] that we could put. You know,
[1:22:47] some sort of material
[1:22:47] something there to to remember
[1:22:48] at some 2 to reflect like
[1:22:51] looks okay. Lets said. And
[1:22:52] then we can, you know, work
[1:22:53] on, you know, any kind of
[1:22:55] signage or anything like that.
[1:22:57] But I would love to see
[1:22:57] something across the street of
[1:22:59] the panic Boulevard near the
[1:23:02] dog parks as a place of
[1:23:02] reflection and direct pandered
[1:23:05] to do that. Thank you.
[1:23:09] Excellent commissioner. I saw
[1:23:12] I saw Commissioner Haskell
[1:23:16] first. Thank MR. Mayor. I have
[1:23:19] 2 points about this. One is
[1:23:20] that.
[1:23:21] >> I I am pleased that better
[1:23:25] and associates has put in
[1:23:27] their proposal the there at
[1:23:30] the awareness of African
[1:23:32] graves that in The Hague
[1:23:34] speech Park and which is now
[1:23:40] belongs to the city there ok,
[1:23:43] never what what they say is in
[1:23:44] their report. There is there
[1:23:47] are also gravesites adjacent
[1:23:49] the Fort West Martello. If
[1:23:51] work is done in this area, it
[1:23:52] will be required to be in
[1:23:53] compliance with the city of
[1:23:56] Key West Park board. Secretary
[1:23:57] of interiors standards for
[1:24:00] rehabilitation. That's federal
[1:24:01] and any other requirements of
[1:24:04] the state division of
[1:24:06] Historical Resources. So I'm
[1:24:08] I'm pleased that the vendor
[1:24:09] and associates, you know,
[1:24:10] recognizes an is honoring the
[1:24:13] importance. The gravesites and
[1:24:17] their proposal. And that
[1:24:19] echoed in information from the
[1:24:22] landscape. Architect Keith or
[1:24:23] pays up. And he mentioned is
[1:24:26] in his report that there is a
[1:24:29] ground penetrating radar
[1:24:30] report. What is the exact
[1:24:33] location of the graves and
[1:24:37] that that will be used with so
[1:24:38] that that's all good. And I
[1:24:40] want to emphasize the
[1:24:41] importance of these grave
[1:24:42] sites of these African people.
[1:24:47] We do not allow people to walk
[1:24:50] their dogs and the Key West
[1:24:54] Cemetery. We do not allow
[1:24:54] people to walk their dogs in
[1:24:55] the military cemetery adjacent
[1:24:59] to Perry Court. We should not
[1:25:02] allow people to have their
[1:25:03] dogs play in the cemetery at
[1:25:08] hate speech. Thank Great.
[1:25:09] Thank you.
[1:25:11] >> I think I saw wasn't Vice
[1:25:15] vice mayor. Thank you, Mayor i
[1:25:16] won't be able to support this
[1:25:19] item at this time. I don't
[1:25:20] think we're ready to engage. I
[1:25:21] don't have a problem with
[1:25:22] vendor, but I just don't think
[1:25:24] we're ready. To engage them
[1:25:26] yet. I think there. We just
[1:25:30] spent time talking about the
[1:25:31] the gravesites here. I think
[1:25:31] there are a number of issues
[1:25:33] that need to be vetted. Still
[1:25:35] before we engage b#
[1:25:36] #
[1:25:36] #
[1:25:36] #
[1:25:36] #
[1:25:36] and
[1:25:39] start spending money. I still
[1:25:40] think that we need more public
[1:25:41] input. I think what I would I
[1:25:45] suggest we have a up. Public
[1:25:46] workshop at Hicks Beach on a
[1:25:51] weekend. I'm still not certain
[1:25:52] about this. The artificial
[1:25:57] turf, the park. To me that.
[1:25:59] That needs to be that it
[1:26:00] still. So there's a number of
[1:26:01] issues. I think that still
[1:26:04] need to be vetted. I some more
[1:26:06] public input. So that when we
[1:26:06] do engage b#
[1:26:06] #
[1:26:06] #
[1:26:06] #
[1:26:07] #
[1:26:10] . We are we
[1:26:11] have you know, we're ready to
[1:26:12] engage b#
[1:26:12] #
[1:26:12] #
[1:26:12] #
[1:26:12] #
[1:26:12] and don't have
[1:26:15] to go through the the some of
[1:26:18] the obstacles that we went
[1:26:18] through. A Bayview Park in
[1:26:19] then, you know, was a lot of
[1:26:21] delays there. So just think,
[1:26:22] you know, I'm not I'm not
[1:26:23] saying we should postpone this
[1:26:24] forever. I don't think a month
[1:26:29] or 2 are going to hurt to get
[1:26:31] little bit more. I know we did
[1:26:31] do some. We've got some public
[1:26:33] input at the meeting, but I
[1:26:34] think I remember when I was
[1:26:36] when we're dealing with Higgs
[1:26:36] beach when I was a police
[1:26:39] chief a long time ago, we did
[1:26:43] public workshops at Hicks
[1:26:44] Beach on weekends and they
[1:26:45] were 10. And I think we should
[1:26:47] do at least one of those and
[1:26:50] get some more input from from
[1:26:52] the residents and try to vet
[1:26:54] some of these issues before we
[1:26:58] engage bend so. I don't think
[1:26:59] it's ready. Yes, excellent
[1:27:00] pulled almost like a
[1:27:00] commissioner to see you. And
[1:27:01] then get back to Commissioner
[1:27:05] Haskell. Commission. Mascot.
[1:27:08] How do you feel about this
[1:27:12] here? Postponement?
[1:27:13] >> You know, I was on the
[1:27:15] fence about this item for the
[1:27:17] entire week that this agenda
[1:27:19] was out and I wanted to have
[1:27:21] this discussion to make my
[1:27:22] decision. And I agree with
[1:27:25] Vice Mayor Lee. I think that
[1:27:27] we, you know, should be able
[1:27:28] to make sure that we have a
[1:27:28] very clear direction to b#
[1:27:29] #
[1:27:29] #
[1:27:29] #
[1:27:29] #
[1:27:33] before we engage with them. I
[1:27:34] am you know, this is in my
[1:27:36] district. But, you know, next
[1:27:37] piece is one of the most
[1:27:40] important places in the city
[1:27:42] for both residents and for
[1:27:43] visitors. And I don't want to
[1:27:45] just do it just for the sake
[1:27:46] of of doing it because now
[1:27:50] that the the city in control
[1:27:53] of it. You know, I'm leaning
[1:27:54] towards not supporting this
[1:27:55] currently postponing for month
[1:27:58] or 2 is not going be, you
[1:28:01] know, the reason I want to
[1:28:01] respect everybody's district
[1:28:03] here when you've got something
[1:28:03] it, that.
[1:28:05] >> And I want to act. What
[1:28:08] you're feeling before I decide
[1:28:09] my decision. But, you make
[1:28:12] motion to postpone Intel.
[1:28:12] Okay.
[1:28:14] >> Thank commissioner. So is
[1:28:15] that a motion to postpone
[1:28:15] commission see we have a
[1:28:17] motion to postpone bite
[1:28:18] commissioner, to see was that
[1:28:20] for a time certain 2 on
[1:28:21] service, something something
[1:28:23] like that. But what is the
[1:28:23] best the next meeting next
[1:28:25] next meeting? So OCTOBER,
[1:28:28] which is OCTOBER one, yes,
[1:28:29] okay. The motion to postpone
[1:28:31] to OCTOBER one. Is there a
[1:28:33] second? It's certain that
[1:28:34] that's Commissioner Rossi do
[1:28:34] also if you book we need to
[1:28:36] get to work on this.
[1:28:37] >> Anymore discussion just on
[1:28:41] the motion to postpone.
[1:28:42] >> One other thing about the
[1:28:44] public comment that was
[1:28:46] received saying, you know why?
[1:28:49] And you know, got started on
[1:28:49] Bayview Park yet and with his
[1:28:50] other things that need to get
[1:28:51] done before this. I you know,
[1:28:55] I I understand where they're
[1:28:56] coming from. We have to be
[1:28:56] able to walk and chew gum at
[1:29:00] the same time here. You know,
[1:29:01] I understand where that public
[1:29:05] comment was coming from that
[1:29:06] this post moment is not
[1:29:08] because of that. I don't this
[1:29:09] was moments because we want to
[1:29:10] make sure that we get give the
[1:29:11] right direction to the people
[1:29:14] who are engaging. And so
[1:29:16] during this month, I hope that
[1:29:17] we get better kind of sense of
[1:29:19] what they're thinking. And I
[1:29:23] agree with Vice Mayor Lee
[1:29:24] doctor up there, especially
[1:29:24] there's special doctor for,
[1:29:27] you know, for it. But it is it
[1:29:28] was a dog park. What I love to
[1:29:29] dc near in my neighborhood and
[1:29:29] that's what it was turf with
[1:29:32] that it was not good. So us to
[1:29:36] be as natural as possible. So
[1:29:39] I would never be able to
[1:29:40] support a talk park artificial
[1:29:41] Right now we're considering
[1:29:43] only the motion to postpone
[1:29:44] Yellowstone. So let's let's
[1:29:46] stick to the motion hold one
[1:29:48] second. I MR. Bradshaw first.
[1:29:49] I want to see what he wanted
[1:29:52] to say. So I just want some
[1:29:53] clarification that.
[1:29:56] >> What this does is and
[1:29:56] gauges b#
[1:29:56] #
[1:29:56] #
[1:29:57] #
[1:29:57] #
[1:29:58] to listen to the
[1:30:00] public input. So just like we
[1:30:00] did at the Truman Waterfront,
[1:30:02] you have a consultant on
[1:30:02] board. You do your public
[1:30:06] meetings. They hear it. They
[1:30:07] they they take those. I did.
[1:30:07] There's no master plan at this
[1:30:10] point. The their ideas that's
[1:30:12] just just that these ladies
[1:30:14] said that's that's an idea
[1:30:16] that they'll hear. So part of
[1:30:16] that process is having that
[1:30:19] consultant on board to be at
[1:30:19] those public meetings to hear
[1:30:22] all the input and they come
[1:30:25] back and develop conceptual
[1:30:26] plans. So where that's what
[1:30:27] this whole thing is to is to
[1:30:28] develop the master plan based
[1:30:31] on public input as opposed to
[1:30:33] just staff having the public
[1:30:33] meeting and then having to
[1:30:36] take those ideas. It's having
[1:30:37] that consultant be part of
[1:30:38] that process. I just want to
[1:30:39] add that just can I can I just
[1:30:42] ask a question about that.
[1:30:42] >> Is it clear to b#
[1:30:42] #
[1:30:43] #
[1:30:43] #
[1:30:43] #
[1:30:45] and
[1:30:46] associates to the extent of
[1:30:50] public Other words are they
[1:30:53] leading that process or with
[1:30:54] the city be leading the public
[1:30:54] interest, that process? Would
[1:30:55] that be up to commissioner
[1:30:57] mascot as the district
[1:30:58] commissioner? Is that clear?
[1:31:00] Is that clear in the task
[1:31:01] order to b#
[1:31:01] #
[1:31:01] #
[1:31:01] #
[1:31:01] #
[1:31:01] in a
[1:31:02] substance, it's clear that
[1:31:03] there will be public.
[1:31:06] >> Input and process now,
[1:31:07] typically how it goes, it is
[1:31:10] the city will set it up lot of
[1:31:11] times the consultant will have
[1:31:14] just drawings and diagrams.
[1:31:15] You know, you've done it where
[1:31:16] people go and puts to keys on
[1:31:18] a map of their ideas of what
[1:31:22] thank. They like. So it's kind
[1:31:24] of a combination of all of
[1:31:25] taking that input and
[1:31:27] gathering and putting it
[1:31:28] together for conceptual plans
[1:31:30] that will eventually come back
[1:31:34] to this board for approval and
[1:31:34] then will move forward with
[1:31:35] actually buildings. Okay.
[1:31:39] Commissioner Vice Mayor Yes. I
[1:31:40] appreciate But I don't think
[1:31:41] there's any reason for us to
[1:31:41] have to pay b#
[1:31:42] #
[1:31:42] #
[1:31:42] #
[1:31:42] #
[1:31:42] to go
[1:31:45] listen to the public.
[1:31:45] >> Input b#
[1:31:45] #
[1:31:45] #
[1:31:45] #
[1:31:45] #
[1:31:46] wants to work
[1:31:46] in. I'm sure they're going to
[1:31:47] listen to me. Why are we going
[1:31:48] to go pay b#
[1:31:48] #
[1:31:48] #
[1:31:48] #
[1:31:48] #
[1:31:52] to go
[1:31:52] attendant facilitate the
[1:31:54] public workshops. We could do
[1:31:54] that and save money. That's
[1:31:55] kind of what I'm trying to
[1:31:56] say. I don't think we should
[1:31:57] start spending money with
[1:31:58] better right now. We could go
[1:32:01] do. We could gather.
[1:32:01] >> The the
[1:32:02] >> we could gather and
[1:32:05] facilitate the public input. I
[1:32:05] just don't think we're ready
[1:32:06] to start spending money, their
[1:32:09] issues to me. They need week
[1:32:10] of that that we need to better
[1:32:13] vet and then start engaging in
[1:32:14] spending money with b#
[1:32:14] #
[1:32:14] #
[1:32:14] #
[1:32:15] #
[1:32:15] .
[1:32:17] And one other thing about the
[1:32:20] postponement, I just want make
[1:32:20] sure I'm I'm I'm okay with a
[1:32:22] month. But is a month enough
[1:32:22] vet some of these issues?
[1:32:25] Maybe 2 months. I think we
[1:32:25] need to look at some other
[1:32:28] maybe go visit parks that have
[1:32:29] artificial turf to see if that
[1:32:31] works or doesn't work in just
[1:32:32] want I don't know. The month
[1:32:36] is MR. Mayor, if you allow,
[1:32:36] yes, great, sure. I Breaux,
[1:32:38] thank you, MISTER Vice Mayor.
[1:32:40] >> I was going to recommend
[1:32:41] that if we are going to
[1:32:42] postpone that, I don't believe
[1:32:46] based on the the significance
[1:32:48] of SEPTEMBER and the our
[1:32:49] budget. Our bandwidth will not
[1:32:53] allow, in my opinion, any
[1:32:54] significant movement on this
[1:32:55] decision in a month
[1:32:55] personally. So I would ask
[1:32:57] that you give our team. We're
[1:32:59] hearing the feet forward.
[1:33:00] We're not disagree with that.
[1:33:01] But I woods ask that if you
[1:33:07] could. Extended longer or at
[1:33:09] least be able to make it a
[1:33:11] discussion item are happy to a
[1:33:12] field in to support what we're
[1:33:14] hearing today. I do not
[1:33:14] believe 30 days in this
[1:33:16] particular month where we have
[1:33:18] 2 meetings regarding the
[1:33:19] budget is is going to give our
[1:33:23] team enough time. Yes, that's
[1:33:27] actually 27 or 28 days to the
[1:33:27] next meeting.
[1:33:29] >> So is there a willingness
[1:33:30] to amend the motion by the
[1:33:31] mover? Think it would
[1:33:33] commissioner Castillo made the
[1:33:34] motion. Would you be willing
[1:33:35] to the motion release a 2
[1:33:37] month 2 months enough? MISTER
[1:33:42] Mayor. Commissioner believe
[1:33:44] that. That gives a sense of
[1:33:45] urgency. I do believe that
[1:33:46] that gives us an opportunity
[1:33:48] to at least.
[1:33:49] >> Come back with that meeting
[1:33:51] that was asked again, believe,
[1:33:55] Doug, and thank you, Doug. He
[1:33:56] articulated exactly what we
[1:33:57] tried to communicate to our
[1:34:00] agenda prep that this was the
[1:34:02] selection of the architect to
[1:34:05] start exactly what we just
[1:34:06] heard today. I can understand
[1:34:07] some of the sentiment of
[1:34:09] pausing that. But I do think
[1:34:10] 60 60 days will give us enough
[1:34:13] time. Yes, sir.
[1:34:13] >> Commissioner message, can
[1:34:17] we this postponement? Can we
[1:34:19] also say that we want to
[1:34:20] collect more public input and
[1:34:22] have a site visit, have public
[1:34:24] input at speech our weekend.
[1:34:29] I'm happy to host that to get
[1:34:31] public input into, you know,
[1:34:31] rank the the importance of
[1:34:34] what people are wanting and
[1:34:35] that we can ask children
[1:34:35] because they won't be in
[1:34:37] school. We can ask, know,
[1:34:38] anybody who wants to attend
[1:34:40] like, let's hear what we have
[1:34:41] from Commissioner mascot. We
[1:34:43] don't need that in the motion
[1:34:45] because you're going to be
[1:34:48] doing that, thank you in
[1:34:48] advance. All right for the
[1:34:49] media, that probably will case
[1:34:51] we have a motion amended by
[1:34:51] the maker, the motion
[1:34:52] commissioner to sue for 2
[1:34:54] months, continuance to month.
[1:34:55] >> By using the rate we're
[1:34:57] continuing make using legal
[1:34:59] speak a 2 month postponement
[1:35:01] and then Commissioner Ross.
[1:35:01] You think seconded? Are you
[1:35:03] okay with that? Okay. I just
[1:35:05] want to make 2 quick points.
[1:35:08] One is those of us who
[1:35:08] participated in the county
[1:35:12] process for the master plan
[1:35:13] when of ice maze of ice merely
[1:35:15] mentioned 10, 12 years ago. We
[1:35:18] remember that whole process we
[1:35:21] should take another look at it
[1:35:22] and why why the road was going
[1:35:23] to be moved. And I want to
[1:35:26] thank the speakers. But
[1:35:27] remember, the road was to be
[1:35:28] moved in the master plan by
[1:35:29] the county in order to respect
[1:35:31] the African cemetery. That was
[1:35:34] part of the reason for that
[1:35:35] and to make the effort
[1:35:36] cemetery larger in exactly the
[1:35:38] way that you are describing
[1:35:42] speaking to the speakers. So
[1:35:42] there's there's a precedent to
[1:35:43] this, but we need to take a
[1:35:45] look at that and all of these
[1:35:45] things. And I think what Vice
[1:35:46] Mayor Lee statements were very
[1:35:49] wise that in order to give
[1:35:51] proper direction to our
[1:35:52] architects. We really should
[1:35:54] be doing our own homework.
[1:35:55] First because to commit to
[1:35:57] Vice mayor least point. Is it
[1:35:59] fair to the architects given
[1:36:02] this task order with, you
[1:36:03] know, without really knowing
[1:36:06] what we want, where the client
[1:36:07] their the professional are
[1:36:08] they are they going to be
[1:36:10] clear exactly what the scope
[1:36:10] of what we want? And it's just
[1:36:11] so much more to this that we
[1:36:13] really need to address. So
[1:36:14] commissioner mask, I want to
[1:36:15] thank you in advance for
[1:36:17] taking the leadership on this
[1:36:18] and for organizing multiple
[1:36:19] workshops and we will all look
[1:36:21] forward to this with that. Can
[1:36:22] you call the roll on the
[1:36:27] motion Sorry, sorry. Still had
[1:36:27] this on most. Okay.
[1:36:28] Commissioner has cautioned
[1:36:31] spawn. I don't think it's
[1:36:34] necessary. What I do think is
[1:36:37] necessary is additional public
[1:36:38] comment.
[1:36:41] >> And list of activities and
[1:36:42] thank you, Commissioner Lee
[1:36:43] for for bringing that up
[1:36:45] because forgot to mention that
[1:36:47] in their list of activities,
[1:36:50] there's the planning approval
[1:36:52] path that's described drc Tree
[1:36:53] Commission hark, you know, all
[1:36:54] the various city agencies. But
[1:36:56] what needs to be in there also
[1:37:00] is, is public workshop. And I
[1:37:01] would like to see the public
[1:37:02] workshops happened within the
[1:37:04] scope of the conceptual plan.
[1:37:06] If we approve this today,
[1:37:07] we're not just approving a
[1:37:08] We're not we're not approving
[1:37:10] whether what kind of astroturf
[1:37:12] whether we're using Astroturf
[1:37:14] or anything. We're just
[1:37:14] approving a conceptual plan,
[1:37:17] but it needs to have within
[1:37:21] The public workshop component.
[1:37:22] So I I don't think
[1:37:23] postponement is necessary
[1:37:25] because I think we could
[1:37:29] insert that direction if we
[1:37:32] approve the expenditure today.
[1:37:32] Thank you.
[1:37:36] >> And keeping on the motion
[1:37:36] postpone commissioner and I
[1:37:37] agree with Commissioner High
[1:37:39] School not meeting the
[1:37:40] postponement.
[1:37:40] >> And I did want to ask does
[1:37:42] or staff.
[1:37:48] >> Is there a savings us?
[1:37:49] >> Conducting our own meetings
[1:37:49] were not having b#
[1:37:49] #
[1:37:49] #
[1:37:50] #
[1:37:50] #
[1:37:53] . Lead.
[1:37:54] Those is their savings and us
[1:37:56] doing the legwork outside of.
[1:37:59] Contracting spender. MR.
[1:38:00] Mayor.
[1:38:00] >> Commissioner Carey, thank
[1:38:02] you. It's you know, it's a
[1:38:04] difficult question to answer
[1:38:09] other than yes, don't
[1:38:10] necessarily believe And in
[1:38:11] some of the onus is on our
[1:38:13] team, we MAY not have
[1:38:14] articulated this correctly or
[1:38:16] enough turn our agenda prep.
[1:38:17] Today's decision was about
[1:38:19] selecting architect. What I'm
[1:38:23] hearing up here is excellent
[1:38:25] points. But that was why we
[1:38:25] selected. You know, we bought
[1:38:27] this agenda item to selected
[1:38:30] part of what is misleading
[1:38:31] would be the master plan and
[1:38:32] the title. So that's more on
[1:38:34] us than you. But do I believe
[1:38:36] that there are cost savings
[1:38:37] too, stopping I'd like to
[1:38:39] believe that there are some
[1:38:41] do. I believe that we should
[1:38:44] know. I believe that we should
[1:38:44] selected. We had a staff
[1:38:48] meeting about hate speech. We
[1:38:49] took feet forward. And then
[1:38:50] from that meeting was
[1:38:54] direction to host and on site
[1:38:56] meeting. So we said, okay,
[1:38:58] excellent. We will do that.
[1:38:59] Let's bring an architect on
[1:39:03] board to do that as well. But
[1:39:04] at this point, I believe we
[1:39:07] are going in the right
[1:39:07] direction of what was not
[1:39:10] mentioned is there's other
[1:39:10] elements regarding big speech
[1:39:11] in a master plan that still
[1:39:14] need to be answered that have
[1:39:16] not been discussed right now.
[1:39:18] So our team's approach was not
[1:39:20] to select an architect and
[1:39:21] then turn around deliver some
[1:39:25] type of rendering. It was to
[1:39:25] get professional involved in
[1:39:31] this process early to help our
[1:39:32] team started to assimilate the
[1:39:32] information and provide some
[1:39:35] some renderings. But long
[1:39:38] answer to a short question. I
[1:39:39] don't know if we're going to
[1:39:40] be saving much by putting the
[1:39:41] 60 days if we come to 16, a
[1:39:42] decision and say let's elect
[1:39:48] him in 60 days. But if we now,
[1:39:50] we can still do all the things
[1:39:51] we're talking about. Could
[1:39:51] slow down. We could say we
[1:39:53] want to have.
[1:39:56] >> I believe like meeting is
[1:39:57] we wanted visit some turf
[1:40:01] parks. Well, we we are driving
[1:40:02] the bus on this. So, yes, I
[1:40:02] believe we can do all the
[1:40:03] things that you just
[1:40:06] mentioned.
[1:40:10] >> All right. Thank you okay.
[1:40:10] MADAM Clerk, when you're
[1:40:11] available, can we call the
[1:40:11] roll on the motion to postpone
[1:40:17] for 2 months? Okay. So this is
[1:40:18] to postpone to NOVEMBER 5th.
[1:40:20] Yes, Okay. Commissioner Carey
[1:40:21] know Commissioner Casteel.
[1:40:23] Commissioner Haskell know
[1:40:27] Commissioner Lee. Yes,
[1:40:28] commissioner mascot. Yes.
[1:40:29] Commissioner Ross Mayor
[1:40:33] Coffman. Yes. Motion passes.
[1:40:34] Item number. 24 approving the
[1:40:39] fiscal year 2026. 2027 Tree
[1:40:39] Commission and Urban Forester
[1:40:40] for Street. I'm sorry, I'm
[1:40:40] reading the wrong one.
[1:40:43] >> Item number, 24. Approving
[1:40:46] the fiscal year 2026. To 2027
[1:40:46] city Marina, a garrison bite
[1:40:47] fees and collection that you
[1:40:50] will. Has attached here too.
[1:40:52] And made a part of here. Okay.
[1:40:53] I think Commissioner Haskell,
[1:40:56] you pull I do. And.
[1:41:00] >> But MR. Pulled it I'm
[1:41:01] sorry, See something like We
[1:41:02] like to start off you worked
[1:41:03] on this, too. So I want to get
[1:41:08] some input from you. It's very
[1:41:08] important issue, inner
[1:41:12] structure. There's a can you
[1:41:14] explain that and that is part
[1:41:15] of the charter boats and not
[1:41:25] to live aboard. Commissioner.
[1:41:26] Mayor commissioners, they've
[1:41:30] marsicano port bring services.
[1:41:32] It's addressed. See in and the
[1:41:36] rain, a slipper rates that is
[1:41:38] for the boards and for the
[1:41:39] commercial charter bureau
[1:41:42] customers. So live awards that
[1:41:49] are on that are on That would
[1:41:53] be to. What well, the of King
[1:41:58] fish pier that they're all pay
[1:41:59] the dollar afoot.
[1:42:00] Infrastructure along with the
[1:42:06] charter boat row customers. A
[1:42:10] little foggy on this. But the
[1:42:11] purpose of this And just so
[1:42:14] everybody knows gears some
[1:42:15] bite has its own fund. It's
[1:42:18] not a part of the city. Are
[1:42:22] near and dear to me. But so
[1:42:25] dollar every month is at work
[1:42:25] or didn't her foot per month.
[1:42:29] Yes. And Fi. That to believe
[1:42:30] that's been in effect for many
[1:42:37] years. And the questions we're
[1:42:38] asking. That's unfortunate.
[1:42:39] Living goods to me on System.
[1:42:43] Book. You're proposing for a
[1:42:49] yearly Lee's. That was all
[1:42:50] discussed when the commission
[1:42:54] approve to live aboard leases
[1:42:56] that's not all of this stuff
[1:42:56] that you see before you today,
[1:43:00] has been voted on from the
[1:43:02] commission before. And this is
[1:43:03] really kind of a housekeeping
[1:43:05] type of thing for our
[1:43:06] department and having our fees
[1:43:06] and collection that you all
[1:43:07] actually approved yearly.
[1:43:12] >> But your lease, I was Maybe
[1:43:14] longer or were will or
[1:43:16] something, you know, when
[1:43:17] years, not long going to be
[1:43:21] honest with you. Mean. He
[1:43:23] should give some type comfort
[1:43:23] to the residents there for,
[1:43:28] you know, with the renewal. Or
[1:43:29] up to 3 years. You know, I
[1:43:30] jumped into this late, I'm
[1:43:32] sorry, but that's very dear
[1:43:35] near tomorrow. Yet.
[1:43:36] >> said probably could give
[1:43:39] some background the commission
[1:43:40] spent a lot of time in the
[1:43:42] last year on this I mean, a
[1:43:47] lot of time. We had we have
[1:43:50] reached an agreement with the
[1:43:51] tenant association. So those
[1:43:52] yet those are the good it's a
[1:43:53] good it's that's the good
[1:43:54] news. I think that for the
[1:43:58] purpose of this item.
[1:43:59] >> This as as our staff person
[1:43:59] has stated, this is for
[1:44:03] housekeeping. I think that.
[1:44:04] >> 4 for any changes. We
[1:44:05] probably should re-engage with
[1:44:07] the tennis Association. I
[1:44:08] would would lean on you for
[1:44:10] that or a plan to get and then
[1:44:11] we could bring back additional
[1:44:11] items. But I think you're
[1:44:14] right. I mean, that's
[1:44:15] something actually we talked
[1:44:17] about is a longer term lease.
[1:44:18] But this is what we settled on
[1:44:22] in a in a very long negotiated
[1:44:23] process with the 10. And so I
[1:44:23] think for now for this item,
[1:44:26] we could go forward. But I've
[1:44:27] certainly appreciate your
[1:44:27] willingness to go to bat for
[1:44:29] the tenant. So let's that
[1:44:33] discussion going.
[1:44:34] >> With move to approve. But
[1:44:37] do want to come back in
[1:44:37] >> This is just again second.
[1:44:40] Yes, sir. Want that on the
[1:44:42] record. Please great anymore.
[1:44:46] Discussion. Move for approval.
[1:44:48] So we have a motion by see a
[1:44:49] second by commissioner
[1:44:51] Castillo Please call the Roll
[1:44:55] Commissioner Carey. Yes.
[1:44:56] Commissioner Castillo. Yes,
[1:44:57] commissioner Haskell. Yes.
[1:44:58] Commissioner Lee. Yes.
[1:44:59] Commissioner mascot. Yes.
[1:45:01] Commissioner Ross Yes. Mayor
[1:45:02] cough. Yes. Motion passes.
[1:45:05] Item number. 27 authorizing
[1:45:07] the city manager pursuant to
[1:45:09] Section 2 Dash 7, 9, 7, 4, b
[1:45:09] of the code of ordinances.
[1:45:12] Exact contractual services.
[1:45:14] >> To accept a renewal of the
[1:45:15] city's ancillary insurance
[1:45:15] policies. An amount not to
[1:45:21] exceed 156,000 underground and
[1:45:22] brown marina operators, legal
[1:45:24] liability coverage all excess
[1:45:26] liability coverage, more
[1:45:26] fingers, liability coverage,
[1:45:29] Holland, machine machinery
[1:45:31] coverage. Pollution Dnd
[1:45:33] coverage, pollution liability
[1:45:36] coverage and storage tank
[1:45:38] liability coverage and from
[1:45:39] world Rist risk management,
[1:45:40] Westchester Fire insurance for
[1:45:42] aircraft. Drone coverage and
[1:45:44] ace American insurance Company
[1:45:46] for Florida firefighter cancer
[1:45:48] coverage authorizing the
[1:45:49] acceptance of Brown and Brown
[1:45:51] as the agent and broker for
[1:45:52] the city's ancillary policies.
[1:45:54] With the exception of drone
[1:45:55] coverage in Florida, Fire
[1:45:58] fighter cancer coverage.
[1:45:59] Authorizing the city manager
[1:46:01] to execute all documents
[1:46:02] consistent there with upon the
[1:46:04] advice and consent of the city
[1:46:05] attorney. Thank you, right in
[1:46:06] here that can repeat that.
[1:46:14] Please who? Who pulled It was.
[1:46:16] It commissioner has cut Ties
[1:46:16] for everyone having to sit
[1:46:19] through that recitation.
[1:46:21] >> And Kerry for giving it an
[1:46:22] down. I notice something after
[1:46:23] the agenda setting meeting
[1:46:29] that we had I notice a lot of
[1:46:30] they insurance is a marine
[1:46:32] oriented. So I would love
[1:46:33] okay. We have police boat and
[1:46:35] all that kind of But why are
[1:46:37] we paying insurance at the
[1:46:38] outer mole? Haven't we? 7
[1:46:43] United r a but you yeah, have
[1:46:43] always separated our
[1:46:44] relationship with the other
[1:46:46] mall at this time.
[1:46:47] >> Can we have a response from
[1:46:51] staff or legal to MR. Maher,
[1:46:51] we have lore with the support
[1:46:52] that thank you, Commissioner
[1:46:59] Haskell.
[1:47:01] >> Okay. So actually I'm Laura
[1:47:04] with risk management. But
[1:47:05] Christine and I were taking a
[1:47:06] look at this. And so, yes, the
[1:47:10] cruise ship revenue for Pierre
[1:47:14] it should not be included, but
[1:47:16] we did not feel the need to
[1:47:17] remove the Outer Mall excess
[1:47:19] liability because this is an
[1:47:21] extra layer of coverage is
[1:47:23] based off of our main coverage
[1:47:28] for general Purposes.
[1:47:29] >> And so I thought it's
[1:47:30] basically or more so because
[1:47:31] we do have the boat races out
[1:47:33] there. So it's kind to me like
[1:47:38] an extra. Just in case, if
[1:47:38] anything does happen, type of
[1:47:42] deal.
[1:47:43] >> And it's something that we
[1:47:45] can cancel just at this time.
[1:47:45] We.
[1:47:47] >> We were kind of still in
[1:47:50] flux with the lease and what's
[1:47:50] going on with it. So we didn't
[1:47:51] want to cancel it yet. So that
[1:47:53] would be probably in the next
[1:47:53] year unless you give
[1:47:57] direction. Otherwise. Well,
[1:47:59] that makes sense because, you
[1:48:02] know, as it is a risk manager,
[1:48:04] err on the side of caution.
[1:48:06] Yes. And but now that.
[1:48:09] >> It's said and done and we
[1:48:10] don't have a lease with the
[1:48:13] animal. If we're paying for
[1:48:16] this insurance. Strictly for
[1:48:18] the power boaters. I think we
[1:48:22] should pass along the costs.
[1:48:23] >> We can either we can do
[1:48:27] that or we can exclude it.
[1:48:28] From that policy. We kind of
[1:48:29] went back and forth with the
[1:48:30] carrier on. If we wanted to
[1:48:34] remove that location entirely.
[1:48:37] >> And we've had white sand
[1:48:39] 2020. We've still maintain
[1:48:40] coverage is with the outer
[1:48:41] mole even with the Navy, with
[1:48:45] the rep with their revenue.
[1:48:46] >> Which I think we estimate
[1:48:47] it was 2 million know, get
[1:48:50] 2 Million.
[1:48:51] >> But again, this is where
[1:48:53] with city and with the
[1:48:56] commission and mayor. And if
[1:48:58] we see that there is a need to
[1:48:59] exclude it, I can definitely
[1:49:01] do so. And we could always add
[1:49:03] that policy later or and
[1:49:05] another fiscal year. If we
[1:49:06] decide that we want to have
[1:49:08] that extra coverage of that
[1:49:09] extra layer and if not, we
[1:49:11] could keep it and still have
[1:49:15] that as an extra and offset
[1:49:17] course. I'm all about
[1:49:19] offsetting claims in assets
[1:49:19] costs. We can have that
[1:49:22] discussion.
[1:49:22] >> Thank you, Steph. Coming
[1:49:26] here from downs. Yes, thank
[1:49:27] you. I I would strongly
[1:49:28] recommend against cutting
[1:49:31] coverage on the spot. And
[1:49:32] here's why.
[1:49:34] >> All that is covered here is
[1:49:36] access coverage and people who
[1:49:37] spend their times with
[1:49:39] insurance policies know that
[1:49:40] you often get insurance
[1:49:43] coverage in layers. And so,
[1:49:45] for example, you might have
[1:49:47] certain amount of coverage on
[1:49:48] your car, but you might also
[1:49:50] have excess coverage that
[1:49:54] gives you additional coverage.
[1:49:55] And when you disrupt a layer
[1:49:58] and leave it uncovered,
[1:50:01] insurers don't like that. And
[1:50:03] sometimes there can be an
[1:50:04] unintended consequence. But
[1:50:05] here's my suggestion because
[1:50:07] commissioner, how school
[1:50:09] you're right. If feel the need
[1:50:10] to maintain this excess
[1:50:13] coverage because of the boat
[1:50:15] races, we should isolate that
[1:50:18] costs and pass it on or at
[1:50:18] least consider it when you all
[1:50:22] decide to proceed with that.
[1:50:23] But my request would be that
[1:50:27] approve this item and ask your
[1:50:28] insurance professionals to
[1:50:30] work with risk management to
[1:50:32] make sure that we understand
[1:50:33] the cost of that. Our more
[1:50:36] coverage, whether we need it
[1:50:37] and be sure we don't disrupt
[1:50:40] any layer of coverage. And
[1:50:41] also in doing that, we can
[1:50:44] isolate the costs. Usually
[1:50:47] putting access on top of
[1:50:48] regular coverage is very
[1:50:50] inexpensive. Given the risk
[1:50:51] you're covering. But I don't
[1:50:52] know, but I just don't want us
[1:50:55] to do it. Without the benefit
[1:50:55] of the insurance company.
[1:50:57] Looking carefully at the
[1:50:58] impact. Does that make sense?
[1:51:02] I think so. Yeah. You can say
[1:51:04] one more thing. Just real
[1:51:05] quick. Yes. And with the
[1:51:07] agreement for the Navy.
[1:51:08] >> They are required to hold
[1:51:13] their own insurance as well as
[1:51:13] >> The boat races on that does
[1:51:15] come through every year
[1:51:15] through the special event for
[1:51:19] what their coverages are. So
[1:51:20] like she said, it's extra
[1:51:24] layer. It's excess policy.
[1:51:24] Again, it's that just in case
[1:51:30] I like to have that little
[1:51:34] especially to it being up here
[1:51:36] and looking at any type a
[1:51:37] general liability coverage is
[1:51:40] or liability claims it would
[1:51:41] offset to them first with
[1:51:43] their insurance is and then if
[1:51:46] the claim exceeds those limits
[1:51:50] or those. Types of Hale's,
[1:51:51] then they would look at it at
[1:51:53] an excess layer. In the past,
[1:51:59] I can't. I have not seen. Any
[1:52:00] types of claims coming from
[1:52:01] this area or due to this event
[1:52:05] in particular. But again, it's
[1:52:11] it's a safeguard. So if I
[1:52:11] might request to be sure we
[1:52:12] don't have any lapse in
[1:52:13] coverage.
[1:52:15] >> And we have the coverage in
[1:52:17] place. We would respectfully
[1:52:18] request you approve this
[1:52:19] agenda item and ask your staff
[1:52:23] to come back with a
[1:52:24] recommendation from both your
[1:52:26] risk managers and Brown about
[1:52:27] whether you need that
[1:52:29] additional layer, how much it
[1:52:33] is and sure that whatever
[1:52:34] special activities that occur
[1:52:36] that might increase the costs,
[1:52:38] that we're passing those on
[1:52:39] appropriately. So that would
[1:52:43] be our offices Is it just a
[1:52:45] >> move? This along? Is there
[1:52:46] a motion to approve
[1:52:47] incorporating those comments
[1:52:50] from our city attorney? I
[1:52:50] can't make a motion that I can
[1:52:52] ask you to make So
[1:52:53] Commissioner Carey makes that
[1:52:57] motion. Is there a second? I
[1:52:57] heard a vice Mayor Lee
[1:52:58] seconds. Okay. Commissioner
[1:53:00] Haskell.
[1:53:04] >> Yes, I'd like to expand
[1:53:05] that direction that if we are
[1:53:07] paying some kind of, you know,
[1:53:07] underline general liability
[1:53:11] insurance all that is the
[1:53:14] layer beneath this excess lair
[1:53:15] that we look at that like when
[1:53:16] do we need that? If we don't
[1:53:19] have a relationship without
[1:53:20] him?
[1:53:20] >> Looks like we're not. This
[1:53:21] is only access coverage get
[1:53:24] less over past 2 Yeah. Just to
[1:53:26] be sure. And we'll ask them to
[1:53:29] report back on. That's ok, so
[1:53:29] used to just one seconds of
[1:53:30] Commissioner Carey. Are you
[1:53:33] okay with that amendment? To
[1:53:34] look at the underlying Haskell
[1:53:34] know Commissioner Kerry made
[1:53:38] the motion.
[1:53:39] >> Looking at the stats just
[1:53:39] stated that that is not the
[1:53:42] case, correct? So this look at
[1:53:45] it. He looked at it. Going to
[1:53:49] look at it again. Sure about
[1:53:52] that. And I think Vice Mayor
[1:53:53] Lee second, he's okay with the
[1:53:56] amendment. So first of
[1:53:57] foremost, MADAM Clerk, are you
[1:53:57] clear in the motion or did you
[1:54:01] clarification? I think I saw
[1:54:04] commissioner mask a Okay.
[1:54:07] Commissioner Haskell
[1:54:08] Commissioner
[1:54:08] >> I once again, what's cost
[1:54:15] of this? Little 12,015 a
[1:54:15] little The cost of the policy
[1:54:19] is 12,000.
[1:54:19] >> does. And then what is the
[1:54:23] million dollars? How much
[1:54:32] >> For the Asian Usually it's
[1:54:32] up to a million dollars in
[1:54:37] coverage us right.
[1:54:37] >> With there's no deductible
[1:54:45] on it. See, other question.
[1:54:46] >> it's it's 44 million of
[1:54:49] accessible, 1 million policy.
[1:54:51] So access liability, you're
[1:54:54] going from axis. Access to the
[1:54:59] care. Do have access to axis.
[1:55:00] That's the companies that
[1:55:01] doing it. Yes, the bomb, the
[1:55:05] company
[1:55:06] >> The company is Brown and
[1:55:07] Brown and then they go out to
[1:55:08] underwriters so than the
[1:55:11] underwriters provide the
[1:55:11] individual policies of the
[1:55:12] person I reached out to over
[1:55:14] diet or oversee use the
[1:55:14] putting together. The proposal
[1:55:17] is brown
[1:55:20] >> And it's just one question.
[1:55:25] Are we still are Brian, words
[1:55:25] are congested. So the public
[1:55:28] knows I was you wanted to what
[1:55:29] is our contractual obligations
[1:55:34] on pier? If we gave back the
[1:55:36] lease to the baby like we did,
[1:55:37] we don't have anything to do
[1:55:39] with Peers are correct, MR.
[1:55:43] Mayor c you are correct. What
[1:55:46] we committed to because of the
[1:55:47] timing of this was to support
[1:55:51] this year's boat races.
[1:55:53] >> We have a verbal commitment
[1:55:54] to ensure that that ripped
[1:55:55] through this transition that
[1:55:57] the city still is in support
[1:55:59] of this particular year's boat
[1:56:01] race with the understanding
[1:56:04] that moving forward, that
[1:56:06] would be negotiations in a
[1:56:07] relationship with the Navy and
[1:56:08] whoever's putting on the
[1:56:09] future boat race. But you are
[1:56:11] correct that we don't have any
[1:56:12] fiscal monetary obligation
[1:56:18] forward. A k a.
[1:56:18] >> Okay, this downs and then
[1:56:19] we'll have commissioner
[1:56:21] Castillo and then
[1:56:21] Commissioner.
[1:56:22] >> I'm And and I'm not an
[1:56:27] insurance expert, but even
[1:56:29] when you terminate a
[1:56:30] commercial relationship, it is
[1:56:32] not uncommon to cover care up
[1:56:34] to provide coverage for in
[1:56:37] addition, a period of time to
[1:56:37] be sure you're not cutting off
[1:56:39] claims that you don't know
[1:56:41] about, you know, something
[1:56:41] happened when you have the
[1:56:44] lease with a tenant, the
[1:56:46] tendencies over. But you want
[1:56:47] to be sure they don't say oh,
[1:56:49] guess what? I got black lung
[1:56:51] disease during the time of the
[1:56:53] tenancy. So even though the
[1:56:56] relationship is over, yeah, it
[1:57:00] appears that our insurers, the
[1:57:02] agency is recommending
[1:57:05] additional coverage. So again,
[1:57:06] let's let them tell us. But I
[1:57:08] think commissioner, you're
[1:57:10] right. You don't have any
[1:57:11] underlying coverage here. This
[1:57:15] is just a gap. Additional
[1:57:16] coverage. Something flow
[1:57:18] excess of
[1:57:18] >> over the pause. Is that
[1:57:26] correct? Is it you? Oh, sorry,
[1:57:28] but you have a general
[1:57:28] liability policies this and
[1:57:31] excess ball. See yes.
[1:57:32] >> We have overall general
[1:57:33] liability policy that through
[1:57:36] pr public purse management and
[1:57:38] that goes per our property
[1:57:39] schedule.
[1:57:39] >> Pierre be is not
[1:57:43] technically one of them.
[1:57:44] >> if you're buried as the out
[1:57:45] of all is not one of our
[1:57:46] problem that we
[1:57:48] >> Now so we don't injure. So
[1:57:51] this is just an excess policy.
[1:57:53] Awful what their policies are.
[1:57:56] >> Between the Navy agreement
[1:57:57] with their requirement to
[1:58:00] provide insurance with their
[1:58:03] agreement and then boat races,
[1:58:03] their special event
[1:58:06] application as a separate
[1:58:06] agreement with their separate
[1:58:10] set of insurance is so you
[1:58:11] have 2 areas there that are
[1:58:12] their insurance to cover
[1:58:14] general liability. High Tide
[1:58:15] claims and then we're just
[1:58:18] providing an excess policy. As
[1:58:21] this a
[1:58:24] >> Well, we close umbrella
[1:58:25] policy. Yes, yes, they're been
[1:58:26] called the umbrella policies.
[1:58:28] Yes, they can be to as well.
[1:58:29] >> But to withhold certainly
[1:58:34] get that to do it different
[1:58:35] We'll carry that umbrella.
[1:58:39] Brian, you want to carry that
[1:58:39] umbrella too. What carry
[1:58:41] cooked, carry the boat races
[1:58:42] and then what do we do after
[1:58:45] that cut?
[1:58:47] >> MISTER Mayor Commissioner
[1:58:48] Ross, the I believe and again,
[1:58:50] there's a lot rhetoric
[1:58:51] happening. I believe the
[1:58:53] direction to us and I feel
[1:58:54] like there's a motion on the
[1:58:57] floor is. Approved. The
[1:58:59] current recommendation to have
[1:59:00] that policy with the
[1:59:01] understanding that our team is
[1:59:04] going to further evaluate the
[1:59:05] need to continue it moving
[1:59:07] forward. I believe that that's
[1:59:08] so feels like we're all saying
[1:59:11] the same thing.
[1:59:11] >> But yeah.
[1:59:15] >> To answer your question, if
[1:59:15] that's the recommendation that
[1:59:16] we bring back saying moving
[1:59:17] forward, whether it's next
[1:59:21] year, we will not provide that
[1:59:22] policy are secure that policy.
[1:59:23] I believe that that answers
[1:59:24] the question. And if I
[1:59:25] haven't, please let us Let me
[1:59:27] know. Okay. Commissioner
[1:59:29] Kaseya. Yes, you know, I think
[1:59:32] we. Putting a lot energy into
[1:59:41] this year, but it's one event.
[1:59:42] We have other properties and
[1:59:43] that events that go on in the
[1:59:47] city and there.
[1:59:49] >> the rent her, although
[1:59:51] Leaseholder hasta secure, will
[1:59:55] insurance to cover it. In
[1:59:57] particular. I'm speaking on
[2:00:00] the community center in Bahama
[2:00:01] Village. Every time somebody
[2:00:01] use that they go in on the
[2:00:02] Port Allen and buy a policy
[2:00:06] for the day. 4 of the event.
[2:00:10] Why should we the pay? And for
[2:00:10] some that we only on a huge
[2:00:14] one time. To this provider,
[2:00:18] I'm I'm still I know we been
[2:00:24] it, but it's just one event.
[2:00:26] Right. But it could be a
[2:00:27] catastrophic potential. So
[2:00:28] this is boat races, right? So
[2:00:29] any age of $12,000 could save
[2:00:32] us billions. So
[2:00:32] >> maybe it's worse I'm
[2:00:33] assuming that's what we're
[2:00:37] talking about here. One year
[2:00:37] all I want to give
[2:00:38] commissioner to see the time
[2:00:40] to finish to with you. Well,
[2:00:42] I'm I'm I'm just trying to
[2:00:45] gets staff recommends this
[2:00:45] policy is I guess some
[2:00:50] accidents. MISTER Mayor. Yes,
[2:00:50] commissioner. Next week we
[2:00:51] recommend the poke a
[2:00:54] Commissioner Commissioner
[2:00:54] Carey.
[2:00:56] >> Thank you of similar to
[2:00:56] that. I was going to ask a
[2:00:59] very similar question as
[2:01:05] Commissioner Castillo. So when
[2:01:07] we do have organizations have
[2:01:08] events, they get a special
[2:01:11] that insurance policy maybe
[2:01:12] $1000 for up to 2 million
[2:01:16] dollar coverage. So why
[2:01:20] wouldn't we do the same in
[2:01:21] this particular case instead
[2:01:24] of the $12,500 coverage. Would
[2:01:26] we be able to have a special
[2:01:27] event insurance coverage
[2:01:31] specific? To the boat races at
[2:01:32] a lower cost with a higher
[2:01:35] coverage.
[2:01:35] >> Historically, the boat
[2:01:38] races has been a city
[2:01:38] amendment, which is why we
[2:01:39] cover it. All of the other
[2:01:42] events are not city events.
[2:01:44] >> You know, I get that, but
[2:01:45] am speaking to. So we're
[2:01:45] paying $12,500 for this
[2:01:49] coverage. Really to protect
[2:01:53] yourself around the boat races
[2:01:54] right. Special event coverage
[2:01:57] for a day or week or 3 days is
[2:01:59] a couple $1000. You're saying
[2:02:02] the $12,500.
[2:02:06] >> Policy covers.
[2:02:16] >> He's got he's at the so.
[2:02:17] $1000. Special event coverage
[2:02:18] just using loose numbers here
[2:02:20] typically covers around
[2:02:22] 2 million dollars in coverage.
[2:02:23] Right? And you're saying this
[2:02:25] $12,500 additional coverage
[2:02:28] gives us a million dollars in
[2:02:29] coverage for 4 million dollars
[2:02:32] in coverage. Okay. So there is
[2:02:34] no savings and getting any
[2:02:39] special event. Coverage like
[2:02:40] commissioner that the eu was
[2:02:42] mentioning, there is no
[2:02:44] savings and spending a few
[2:02:46] 1000 for the special event
[2:02:47] coverage instead of the
[2:02:52] $12,500.
[2:02:52] >> Historically as part of our
[2:02:55] lease, we had to ensure for
[2:02:55] the entire year. So it's not
[2:02:57] just for that one event. It's
[2:02:58] if anything were to happen out
[2:03:02] there. And MR. Mayor, I'm a
[2:03:04] yes, just to make clear, we do
[2:03:06] have a contract with weight
[2:03:08] race world offshore. We do
[2:03:08] require indemnification.
[2:03:09] >> They are required to have
[2:03:10] their insurance. I don't want
[2:03:12] to say this is to supplement
[2:03:12] for them not to have
[2:03:13] insurance. They are required
[2:03:15] to have insurance. This is and
[2:03:16] access protection for the
[2:03:19] city. In an event there isn't
[2:03:20] some type of catastrophic
[2:03:21] event that requires access
[2:03:23] money into paid that the city
[2:03:25] is has the funds to provide
[2:03:26] that.
[2:03:26] >> Okay. Do can we move on to
[2:03:29] a vote? Is anybody MADAM
[2:03:30] Clerk, can you please call the
[2:03:33] roll? Commissioner Carey? Yes.
[2:03:37] Commissioner Castillo.
[2:03:38] Commissioner Haskell. Yes.
[2:03:40] Mission early. Yes.
[2:03:40] Commissioner mascot. Yes.
[2:03:42] Commissioner Ross Sea. Yes.
[2:03:43] Mayor Coffman. Can we take a
[2:03:45] break now or does anybody want
[2:03:48] to do the next item? First?
[2:03:48] Let's take a 10 minute break.
[2:04:00] Transportation grant agreement
[2:04:01] between the Florida Department
[2:04:02] of Transportation and the city
[2:04:03] of Key West for state fiscal
[2:04:05] year. 2027.
[2:04:05] >> State block grant program
[2:04:09] for the city roots in a
[2:04:11] reimbursement amount of up to
[2:04:13] $338,521 and operating
[2:04:15] assistance. Just 50% of the
[2:04:19] total project cost $677,042
[2:04:20] authorizing the city manager
[2:04:20] to execute any necessary
[2:04:22] transfers and documents upon
[2:04:25] consent of the city attorney.
[2:04:25] Okay.
[2:04:30] >> Commissioner has Thank you.
[2:04:30] >> I realize that this item
[2:04:34] and the one before it and
[2:04:38] after it generally our routine
[2:04:40] types of items to accept a
[2:04:41] grant award from the state for
[2:04:42] purposes of public
[2:04:44] transportation and to pledge
[2:04:44] our match. But I wanted to
[2:04:48] take the opportunity once
[2:04:49] again talk about public
[2:04:51] transit by pulling this item
[2:04:53] and this particular one item
[2:04:55] number 30 has to do with the
[2:04:57] city route. And, you know,
[2:04:59] there's been conversation
[2:05:04] about changing the existing
[2:05:06] bus service. And I would like
[2:05:10] to ask with Mr Managers
[2:05:11] permission, staff to come
[2:05:13] forward and give us a little
[2:05:15] update on where we are now
[2:05:15] with the public transportation
[2:05:19] planning. MISTER Mayor. Yes,
[2:05:20] commissioner Haskell. Yes,
[2:05:22] ma'am. I believe for him. Is
[2:05:23] here and we will give you that
[2:05:24] update. I believe you asked us
[2:05:26] to come back with another
[2:05:26] option. So.
[2:05:30] >> Rogelio, thank you.
[2:05:31] >> Good morning, MISTER Mayor.
[2:05:34] Good Commissioner Haskell.
[2:05:35] Yeah. Let me provide you a
[2:05:38] brief real of our current
[2:05:38] drought and what the future
[2:05:40] might look like for us transit
[2:05:41] in the service we provide
[2:05:44] within the city limits
[2:05:45] currently, as you MAY know, we
[2:05:46] had on them and service called
[2:05:49] us rats that operates 7 days a
[2:05:50] week along with our fixed
[2:05:51] route service called the
[2:05:52] workforce that operates. Also
[2:05:56] 7 days a week between the
[2:06:00] hours of 06:06am, and 08:00pm
[2:06:02] previously in JULY, we brought
[2:06:07] up a budget that proposed
[2:06:09] being the pros bring in a new
[2:06:09] route, a new service on mind
[2:06:13] while absorbing of the the
[2:06:14] workforce and also the key
[2:06:16] West right on the man service.
[2:06:17] If that is approved by the
[2:06:21] commission and SEPTEMBER, what
[2:06:21] that MAY look like is a fixed
[2:06:27] route service that for bites a
[2:06:29] 60 minute frequency throughout
[2:06:30] the city of Key West moment,
[2:06:30] including on Stock Island,
[2:06:33] north and a stock island. And
[2:06:35] of course, there's been some
[2:06:37] discussions about potentially
[2:06:38] reducing works are increasing
[2:06:39] the frequency to 45 minutes,
[2:06:43] possibly even 30 minutes.
[2:06:43] Those are scenarios that will
[2:06:48] bring forward here. Cent.
[2:06:52] Thank you. And how about
[2:06:54] >> service that we share with
[2:06:55] the county in inside stopped
[2:06:58] Island.
[2:07:00] >> So right now we service the
[2:07:02] heart of Stock Island with our
[2:07:02] workforce fixed route and also
[2:07:06] the on the man. However, the
[2:07:09] proposal that's come in 4th in
[2:07:09] SEPTEMBER currently does not.
[2:07:13] The ihop are currently won't
[2:07:14] service that heart of stock on
[2:07:15] it. It will serve a stock on
[2:07:17] it. Us one 3rd street only
[2:07:21] meaning that anyone and that
[2:07:22] lives at 55th there somewhere
[2:07:22] around the first the park
[2:07:27] would happen. 2, you know,
[2:07:30] walk bike if up to us one 3rd
[2:07:34] in order to use that service.
[2:07:35] The county currently does not
[2:07:37] provide any type of funding to
[2:07:39] assist with the current city
[2:07:41] service or the ihop or in the
[2:07:43] future that this what the
[2:07:46] commission approves.
[2:07:48] >> What can we do to work with
[2:07:51] the county too, ensure that,
[2:07:52] you know, our residents on
[2:07:53] Staten Island continue to have
[2:07:55] public transportation to get
[2:07:56] to work in Key West or in the
[2:08:00] county. Brian, I think you had
[2:08:01] a question. Not a question. I
[2:08:04] don't mean that. But MR. Mayor
[2:08:07] commissioner, how we've we've
[2:08:09] still in the that this
[2:08:10] information, but I believe
[2:08:11] this is more for the public's
[2:08:13] awareness. It's difficult
[2:08:16] because it's about the county,
[2:08:16] with care and compassion. I do
[2:08:19] want to speak for the county
[2:08:20] what we can and can't do and
[2:08:23] have continued to do is
[2:08:24] dialogue regarding what
[2:08:25] additional opportunities we
[2:08:26] could pick up with. If this
[2:08:28] fixed route is approved and
[2:08:29] then what compensation from
[2:08:33] the county would be equivalent
[2:08:35] for 2 additional stops in the
[2:08:38] heart of Stock Island. In all
[2:08:38] fairness to the county that
[2:08:39] has not been approved at any
[2:08:42] level. So right now it's
[2:08:44] collaboration and
[2:08:46] communication. So as we bring
[2:08:48] forward the fixed route with
[2:08:49] the options right now, it's
[2:08:52] the 2 stops that are on us.
[2:08:54] One, we have the ability we
[2:08:56] believe that if we need to
[2:08:57] incorporate 2 additional stops
[2:08:59] in Stock Island that we would
[2:09:01] and that would not and keep
[2:09:04] mean on That would not require
[2:09:06] any additional buses, drivers
[2:09:07] and or modification from the
[2:09:11] picture out at this time and
[2:09:11] there will be a dollar amount
[2:09:14] associated with that. But
[2:09:15] again, that's for the county
[2:09:16] to approve at their level and
[2:09:17] then communicate back to us if
[2:09:19] and when that would be at it.
[2:09:22] Does that answer your
[2:09:22] question? Commissioner? I it's
[2:09:23] I think so. I'm not quite
[2:09:26] sure. Could just clarify the
[2:09:30] additional? Routes additional
[2:09:33] pickup spots in Stock Island.
[2:09:34] Do say that we the city would
[2:09:35] have the ability to support
[2:09:37] that.
[2:09:40] >> MR. Commissioner has school
[2:09:40] support in the manner in which
[2:09:44] it would not require a
[2:09:46] significant deviation from the
[2:09:47] current plan. It number of
[2:09:50] buses, number of individual
[2:09:51] drivers.
[2:09:51] >> And anything that would
[2:09:52] interrupt frequency of the
[2:09:55] routes per se. However, it
[2:09:58] would not be. The nexus would
[2:10:01] not be at a 0 cost. We would
[2:10:02] not just absorb that at the
[2:10:03] city level. And again, that's
[2:10:06] your decision. I'm not. I'm
[2:10:07] not asking you. I'm not saying
[2:10:08] that we've made that decision.
[2:10:10] Not staff. The recommendation
[2:10:12] coming from staff is not to do
[2:10:13] that unless there is some type
[2:10:15] of financial contribution from
[2:10:17] the county and then
[2:10:19] collaborative location of both
[2:10:20] spots. That does not deviate
[2:10:21] greatly from our fixed route
[2:10:25] plant. All right. That makes
[2:10:27] sense to me. And yes, and you
[2:10:28] for explaining you, you know,
[2:10:29] for
[2:10:31] >> the benefit of of other
[2:10:32] people who are interested.
[2:10:34] Yes, ma'am, in this with
[2:10:36] caution because in that
[2:10:36] there's some of is happening
[2:10:38] at the county level and with
[2:10:38] respect to the county, they
[2:10:39] have every right to do that or
[2:10:42] not to that. Sure. And I know
[2:10:43] they're under financial
[2:10:47] constraints as well as we are.
[2:10:50] And so I make a motion to
[2:10:54] approve item 31. I think 30 30
[2:10:55] sorry item, 13. Okay. We have
[2:10:58] a motion by Commissioner
[2:11:01] Haskell motion a second by
[2:11:04] Commissioner Carey. Any more
[2:11:08] discussion, Rossi, real quick.
[2:11:09] >> the location is all the
[2:11:12] stops are on us. One. That's
[2:11:14] pretty dangers. Police there
[2:11:14] is their bus stops, sheltered
[2:11:20] areas there where they go.
[2:11:21] Commissioner Ross, see, there
[2:11:22] are 2 locations. They're
[2:11:23] currently those would be the 2
[2:11:23] locations that would be
[2:11:24] incorporated into the fix
[2:11:26] wrote Yes, Sir.
[2:11:27] >> One's own really. It's the
[2:11:31] 3rd. And then what? Yeah, let
[2:11:32] me jump on it. So it's us one
[2:11:33] in 38. On the northbound side,
[2:11:36] there's a budget or their up
[2:11:37] pull off bench. Their spy
[2:11:39] cracked all sorts of a
[2:11:40] manatee. So there's no need to
[2:11:44] cross us. One in order to get
[2:11:45] the bus no matter which
[2:11:46] direction it's going, weather
[2:11:48] is clockwise or counter clock
[2:11:52] throughout city.
[2:11:53] >> Ok, what about rec records
[2:11:57] k out there and
[2:11:57] >> I'm glad you brought that
[2:12:01] up. So records case quick. 2
[2:12:02] minute walk from that bus.
[2:12:04] Stop records. Ku got the
[2:12:06] Flagler station affordable
[2:12:07] housing there. You also got
[2:12:10] the housing right next to
[2:12:14] she's and that, you know, the
[2:12:15] trailer park, it's really it's
[2:12:15] all within walking distance.
[2:12:18] The only area that that you
[2:12:22] would happy, you you would
[2:12:23] have to commute and allocates,
[2:12:24] you know, 5 tense minutes to
[2:12:25] get to that bus stop would be
[2:12:30] the burn Park area like the
[2:12:32] avenues cross and the 6th
[2:12:34] Avenue 78th on 12th Avenue.
[2:12:39] But the majority of the riders
[2:12:39] that utilize or service live
[2:12:42] with within a quarter mile of
[2:12:45] that U.S. One 3rd bus stop.
[2:12:46] >> And then loops around that
[2:12:48] stops at the hospital doesn't
[2:12:48] matter.
[2:12:51] >> It does on a swat. Yes, it
[2:12:51] does.
[2:12:54] >> One of there's a new
[2:12:55] housing project there. Forget
[2:12:55] the name of Garden is a card
[2:12:57] and year sub search. Correct.
[2:13:02] To thank you.
[2:13:03] >> Anymore discussion. I just
[2:13:05] I want to publicly thank our
[2:13:06] transit director. You were
[2:13:07] responsive. You listen to the
[2:13:08] commission in JULY and you
[2:13:11] brought back a quite a bit,
[2:13:11] you know, to help our
[2:13:15] residents of Stock Island and
[2:13:17] also looking at the increased
[2:13:18] increased frequency, which
[2:13:18] we've been quite frankly
[2:13:19] talking about for years. So
[2:13:19] thank you for doing that hard
[2:13:22] work. With that. MADAM Clerk,
[2:13:25] can you please call the Roll
[2:13:26] Commissioner Carey? Yes,
[2:13:28] commissioner commissioner
[2:13:29] Haskell. Yes, commissioner
[2:13:30] Lee. Yes. Commissioner
[2:13:31] massacre. Yes, MISTER Rossi.
[2:13:33] Yes. Mayor Coffman. Yes.
[2:13:35] >> Motion passes. Item number.
[2:13:37] 39 approving the 3rd Amendment
[2:13:38] to lease agreement between the
[2:13:40] city and Castle Kyle. Way so
[2:13:42] doing business is La Sawn to
[2:13:44] Pepe to extend the existing
[2:13:45] lease term for the property
[2:13:47] located at 4.10, Wall Street
[2:13:47] at Mallory Square for an
[2:13:51] additional 12 month period to
[2:13:52] 9/30/2027. To be amended as
[2:13:54] needed based upon the
[2:13:56] commission's determination
[2:13:57] regarding the tenants request
[2:13:57] for reduction in base rent
[2:13:58] authorizing the mayor to
[2:14:00] execute the 3rd Amendment to
[2:14:02] agreement has approved by the
[2:14:03] commission and any other
[2:14:03] necessary related documents
[2:14:06] upon advice and consent. The
[2:14:07] city attorney and I do want to
[2:14:10] confirm Jason, Gary Moreira is
[2:14:14] on zoom. I had a question if
[2:14:18] he I thought he was. Should
[2:14:24] okay.
[2:14:25] >> What is the commission's
[2:14:26] commissions pleasures start
[2:14:27] with staff presentation or
[2:14:31] tenant? MR. Mayor, I'm I
[2:14:32] apologize. I do stun want that
[2:14:37] to. Gary is had a medical
[2:14:38] concerns. So we apologize for
[2:14:41] the interruption. It's
[2:14:42] definitely not consistent any
[2:14:45] in indication of support this
[2:14:48] agenda But right now we do not
[2:14:49] have him. I believe that we
[2:14:51] could answer some cursory
[2:14:52] questions that they're not
[2:14:53] necessarily directed to Gary
[2:14:55] specifically, but we'll do our
[2:14:57] best but completely understand
[2:15:00] if we would like to pause
[2:15:01] lower, what are we simply have
[2:15:02] the tenant here? What we have
[2:15:02] in the tenant? Yes, yes, This
[2:15:06] case I thank you.
[2:15:07] >> Michelle, Kate's deal on
[2:15:09] front street. I'm here on
[2:15:11] behalf of cassock highway so
[2:15:11] we all probably know better as
[2:15:13] elms and up at a restaurant at
[2:15:17] 4.10, Wall Street. We've
[2:15:19] rented that building for over.
[2:15:21] 25 years. We're hearing
[2:15:23] requesting one-year extension
[2:15:23] of the lease term as well as a
[2:15:24] reduction in the base rent
[2:15:28] during this period. These term
[2:15:29] expires SEPTEMBER 30th of
[2:15:34] 2026. This last year the city
[2:15:35] performed a structural
[2:15:37] assessment study on the
[2:15:38] building which showed
[2:15:41] significant structural issues
[2:15:43] and is pursuing a grant to
[2:15:44] assist in covering the cost to
[2:15:44] determine the scope of work,
[2:15:45] which will hopefully come
[2:15:48] through this year. The request
[2:15:51] for the reduction of rent. We
[2:15:53] supply due to report showing
[2:15:54] the declining gross sales for
[2:16:00] the period 2021. Through 2026.
[2:16:02] This decline as stated in MR.
[2:16:03] Mario Staff report comes as a
[2:16:05] result in diminished cruise
[2:16:06] ship activity and restricted
[2:16:07] waterfront access from the
[2:16:10] Mallory Pierre. The current
[2:16:13] occupancy costs. Our 9.2% of
[2:16:13] gross revenue for the
[2:16:15] restaurant right now, which is
[2:16:18] very high in that industry. We
[2:16:19] would just want to
[2:16:23] re-establish baseline. So that
[2:16:23] improperly aligns with the
[2:16:24] current level of gross
[2:16:28] revenue. The 6% rep right
[2:16:29] sector of gross revenue being
[2:16:31] proposed is in line with
[2:16:31] several other restaurant
[2:16:33] leases in the bite that have
[2:16:37] recently been approved. We
[2:16:39] just want to be in line with
[2:16:41] those leases. And if gross
[2:16:42] revenue exceeds that baseline
[2:16:43] grow sales, an additional 6%
[2:16:46] will be paid on on that access
[2:16:47] to city. So we hope you
[2:16:50] support this. Thank you. As
[2:16:52] Kate's bringing it back to the
[2:16:52] commission or Misra did you
[2:16:54] want to say some things?
[2:16:56] >> No, sir, you need eye
[2:16:58] mayor. You mean that? I
[2:16:58] thought maybe you're looking
[2:17:00] over, but it feel we've
[2:17:01] provided enough information
[2:17:02] from a staff perspective to
[2:17:04] support the recommendation.
[2:17:05] Okay. Bringing it back to the
[2:17:08] any public comment. Bring it
[2:17:11] back to the Any discussion
[2:17:11] questions and we want to make
[2:17:15] a motion approve. Okay,
[2:17:16] approving what approving the
[2:17:18] extension. 6%. What the
[2:17:23] extension. And to clarify that
[2:17:30] would be what exactly. That
[2:17:32] the recommendation is for a 12
[2:17:32] month term extension to
[2:17:34] finalize the scope of repairs.
[2:17:39] >> And a new long-term lease.
[2:17:42] The reduction of base rent. As
[2:17:45] recommended in the time I
[2:17:47] understood just to clarify, my
[2:17:48] understanding was the
[2:17:49] reduction of rent was not
[2:17:49] recommended. That was being
[2:17:54] left up to the commission.
[2:17:56] >> That was how about they
[2:17:59] said 90% is what it is now
[2:17:59] because of the problems
[2:18:02] they've That's more typically.
[2:18:03] >> As smaller than that. And
[2:18:06] then it falls in line with all
[2:18:07] the other Maher, ok? So we
[2:18:07] have a motion by commissioner
[2:18:08] Castillo. That was their
[2:18:11] second. I'll second
[2:18:11] Commissioner Carey seconds,
[2:18:12] bringing back to the
[2:18:13] commission discussion.
[2:18:18] Questions. Commissioner
[2:18:18] Haskell. Yeah, under
[2:18:20] discussion, I support the
[2:18:21] extension of of the lease for
[2:18:24] another year.
[2:18:27] >> And I do not at this time
[2:18:28] support the reduction rent
[2:18:32] from the current contract.
[2:18:33] >> We're looking everywhere we
[2:18:37] can, you know, for for funds
[2:18:39] to support many valuable
[2:18:41] services and activities in the
[2:18:45] city. And I just think the
[2:18:49] timing is not to request rent
[2:18:50] reduction. I understand that
[2:18:54] in the future
[2:18:57] >> hta is looking for aligning
[2:18:59] all of the leases and having,
[2:19:04] you know, similar similar
[2:19:05] language similar percentages
[2:19:08] in all the leases and getting
[2:19:12] some credit for making some
[2:19:13] capital improvements. You
[2:19:14] know, that all sounds like a
[2:19:14] good something that we're
[2:19:16] going to discuss in the
[2:19:17] future. But at this time for
[2:19:21] this next one year, I support
[2:19:21] the extension, but I don't
[2:19:24] support the rent reduction.
[2:19:28] >> Thank you. Commissioner
[2:19:29] school Ask I have a question
[2:19:30] for for staff because at this
[2:19:33] time, of course I support
[2:19:34] lease extension and I I don't
[2:19:35] buy the cruise ship arguments
[2:19:49] and is there anything in
[2:19:51] Mallory Square that the city
[2:19:52] has done to cause a reduction
[2:19:55] in foot traffic in and around
[2:19:56] Mallory Square in that area.
[2:19:58] Numbers, MR. Mayor
[2:20:02] Commissioner mascot, I
[2:20:02] wouldn't.
[2:20:03] >> Define the says the city
[2:20:04] has done, but I would tell you
[2:20:07] that the interruption or the
[2:20:09] pier, you know, he's a big
[2:20:09] impact. We've had this
[2:20:13] conversation with cps and some
[2:20:14] related entities down there. I
[2:20:15] would tell you that until we
[2:20:18] have the ability to repair the
[2:20:20] in my opinion and then
[2:20:22] possibly bacon, some of the
[2:20:23] improvements that we
[2:20:25] dovetailed with the tdc grant
[2:20:27] that Sardis. That's our. A
[2:20:30] path forward. But I would tell
[2:20:34] you that it's been impacted by
[2:20:35] blocking off of the pier.
[2:20:37] That's what I would tell you.
[2:20:43] And we put during our 10 of
[2:20:43] us. Was going to ask in
[2:20:44] public, I see that in But, you
[2:20:46] know, I I you know, any
[2:20:48] landlord, you know, if the
[2:20:50] landlord does something to
[2:20:51] affect the,
[2:20:52] >> you know, quality of of the
[2:20:55] the product of the plays,
[2:20:56] then, you know, I you can
[2:20:58] understand a reduction base
[2:20:59] rent and I just wanted to know
[2:21:03] if there was anything that was
[2:21:05] within the city's control.
[2:21:06] Now, the pier and that, you
[2:21:06] know, that the repairs that
[2:21:08] need to be made, you know,
[2:21:08] those are natural things that
[2:21:13] that that occur. Should we
[2:21:13] have been market thoughtful
[2:21:15] about maintenance over the
[2:21:17] years, perhaps. But that was
[2:21:18] just a question I wanted to
[2:21:19] answer for the public and for
[2:21:19] the rest of the commission to
[2:21:23] to know. Commissioner can you
[2:21:28] if I MAY. If you look at the
[2:21:28] portfolio here.
[2:21:31] >> And again, I.
[2:21:32] >> I support this because a
[2:21:35] lot of people that work. For
[2:21:39] jaisol. We see a lot of
[2:21:42] businesses going under right
[2:21:46] now. Lot of traditional.
[2:21:47] Pieces of key West leaving the
[2:21:50] island, Pepe. Vessel probably
[2:21:56] one of the models. Influential
[2:22:00] restaurants downtown that when
[2:22:01] you see decline in the
[2:22:06] revenues for that
[2:22:07] establishment and inland would
[2:22:07] hold the rents that we have
[2:22:10] from Key West bike. Caroline
[2:22:12] Street corridor. They pay the
[2:22:17] most money. And again, I'm not
[2:22:21] trying to avoid the pay port,
[2:22:22] but the decline in business
[2:22:23] that they had since we don't
[2:22:24] have cruise ships on a regular
[2:22:28] there, though, the grounds
[2:22:32] along you stand a chance into
[2:22:33] middle section near and full
[2:22:39] drew. A sinkhole
[2:22:43] >> it's not safe down there.
[2:22:47] Go down there frequently. And
[2:22:48] when I write to their its
[2:22:49] always, somebody out there to
[2:22:50] tell you can't walk you can't
[2:22:54] do something here. And believe
[2:22:55] me, the entertainment that we
[2:22:57] get from the air in the full
[2:23:02] year. In line with all the
[2:23:03] rains that we charge, they
[2:23:07] help animals. So, you know,
[2:23:11] you kind of like penalize and
[2:23:11] a business that that's
[2:23:14] employee in a lot of people
[2:23:16] here. So, you know, I'm I'm
[2:23:17] just here to speak in behalf
[2:23:18] of this and because I know the
[2:23:19] employees that work there rely
[2:23:22] on a job there. And I support
[2:23:26] the project.
[2:23:30] >> Ok, thank you, Commissioner
[2:23:31] any other comments. This is a
[2:23:32] percentage Lee's is that what
[2:23:38] is staff MR. Commissioner
[2:23:39] Michelle could probably answer
[2:23:40] better. But my understanding
[2:23:43] is that it's at least with
[2:23:44] percentage of the sales
[2:23:45] revenue. And I believe that
[2:23:47] they ask is
[2:23:48] >> to reduce that sales
[2:23:51] revenue percentage to 6%. And
[2:23:52] then if there's excess of the
[2:23:54] 6, it's not like they just
[2:23:55] take that. They said they
[2:23:58] would pay an additional ht
[2:23:59] would pay or illness on to
[2:24:00] will pay an additional 6% on
[2:24:02] any excess. So, you know,
[2:24:05] field and it has a very
[2:24:06] reasonable request. And then
[2:24:06] that's why we brought it to
[2:24:07] you as a recommendation to
[2:24:13] move forward. You. Any other
[2:24:13] comments?
[2:24:14] >> Ok, before we call the
[2:24:17] role, I would just say that.
[2:24:20] >> The concern I have is will
[2:24:20] this open the door to other
[2:24:23] tenants asking for reductions?
[2:24:28] I have a concern about from
[2:24:29] what I see down in the area of
[2:24:31] the Conch Republic seafood
[2:24:31] company, the boathouse, they
[2:24:35] seem to be very busy and
[2:24:36] having good business. So I'm
[2:24:38] not sure you know what's going
[2:24:40] on this particular location
[2:24:42] and the other concern I would
[2:24:42] have. And, you we don't have
[2:24:45] our property manager here, but
[2:24:47] I would I would have asked him
[2:24:48] if we would be able to command
[2:24:51] a higher rent if we went
[2:24:52] through a competitive
[2:24:54] solicitation process. So those
[2:24:56] are my concerns and that's why
[2:24:57] I'll be voting in the
[2:24:58] negative. I do support the
[2:24:58] one-year extension, but not
[2:25:01] the rent reduction. So can we
[2:25:01] call the roll Houston mayor,
[2:25:06] if I MAY, that's the this.
[2:25:08] This is one of the leases that
[2:25:11] that came with sales. Wrapped
[2:25:12] into where the police's was
[2:25:20] not. Rap, where sales was
[2:25:21] issue. It's it's an old. 25
[2:25:22] year-old these.
[2:25:27] >> However,
[2:25:28] >> I know the dollar amount
[2:25:28] counts for everybody. But if
[2:25:30] you're not making money, how
[2:25:34] can you support a business? I
[2:25:35] have time to read through all
[2:25:40] this stuff. So that's why I
[2:25:42] recommended that we on it this
[2:25:45] year. So that's correct. Ms
[2:25:49] Cook, thank you. Anything
[2:25:51] else? Know, Okay. Commissioner
[2:25:54] thank you, MR. Mayor.
[2:25:56] >> want to touch on. We just
[2:25:58] voted on the Conch Republic
[2:25:59] and boat House leases of the
[2:26:00] boat house when those are at
[2:26:02] 6% as well. Right? MISTER
[2:26:03] Mayor Commissioner Carey.
[2:26:04] That's my understanding. Yes,
[2:26:05] ma'am. So this would be just
[2:26:06] aligning in Those. Okay. Thank
[2:26:12] you.
[2:26:14] >> And just their debt buy.
[2:26:16] This is just for a one-year
[2:26:17] extension reduction and based
[2:26:21] grant to the 6%. In some ways,
[2:26:24] what revisit this a year from
[2:26:25] now for hopefully maybe a 10
[2:26:27] year, a longer relationship.
[2:26:31] But for right now because of
[2:26:32] the circumstances. It's just
[2:26:34] one year for the reduction.
[2:26:35] >> MR. Maher Commissioner
[2:26:36] Mascot. I believe that is
[2:26:40] correct. This is a reset of
[2:26:41] the baseline. Particularly
[2:26:42] given our team candidly an
[2:26:43] opportunity to reassess what
[2:26:45] is needed to help support the
[2:26:46] structure. We're also doing
[2:26:49] that with the water from
[2:26:50] Playhouse owns yes. So I just
[2:26:52] want to reiterate like U.S. By
[2:26:54] is a different animal than
[2:26:56] Mallory Square, which to me,
[2:26:58] in my opinion, needs a lot
[2:27:00] more attention from the city.
[2:27:01] So.
[2:27:04] >> I understand. Did you know
[2:27:08] Kyle Voices coming from? So if
[2:27:09] there's any more discussion,
[2:27:11] I'd love to hear it. But you
[2:27:13] know, I'm I'm because it's
[2:27:15] only one year I'm inclined to
[2:27:15] to be in support of the
[2:27:16] basement reduction. But just
[2:27:19] for this one year. Okay. MADAM
[2:27:21] Clerk, can you please call the
[2:27:24] Commissioner Carey get
[2:27:24] Commissioner Castillo. Yes,
[2:27:26] Commissioner Haskell know
[2:27:28] commissioner Lee. Commissioner
[2:27:30] mascot. Yes. Commissioner Ross
[2:27:32] Mayor cough know motion
[2:27:39] passes. Item number 40,
[2:27:41] authorizing the purchase and
[2:27:42] implementation of the workday.
[2:27:43] Enterprise resource planning
[2:27:46] system, including software
[2:27:47] subscriptions, training.
[2:27:48] >> And related implementation
[2:27:49] services under a 10 year
[2:27:51] agreement with Ian Break
[2:27:54] Associates, llc in the amount
[2:27:57] of 4 million, 7, $674,962 and
[2:27:59] $0.62 pursuant to on partners
[2:28:02] contract number 1, 5, 9, 1, to
[2:28:04] 4 and section 2, Dash, 7, 9,
[2:28:05] 7, 3, code of ordinances of
[2:28:07] the City of Key West Florida
[2:28:09] authorizing the city manager
[2:28:09] to negotiate and execute the
[2:28:13] prime contract agreement and
[2:28:14] any necessary related
[2:28:14] documents, budget transfers
[2:28:15] and or adjustments up on
[2:28:18] consent. The city attorney.
[2:28:18] Can we hear from our
[2:28:20] procurement manager sorry,
[2:28:24] Mayor, we do have a citizen
[2:28:24] comments. Let's hear public
[2:28:25] comment, please. First, Leon,
[2:28:32] Moyer. Thank you, MR.
[2:28:32] >> Good Morning, MR. Mayor
[2:28:33] Commissioners, staff and
[2:28:37] visitors thank you for the
[2:28:38] opportunity with I'm going to
[2:28:40] be referring to what you MAY
[2:28:42] have is a link on your
[2:28:43] website. They're called the
[2:28:46] financial recommendation page
[2:28:46] and you MAY wish to get that
[2:28:49] on your computer's up. There.
[2:28:50] I just want to make a comment
[2:28:51] that this is a very large
[2:28:53] amount of money close to
[2:28:57] 5 million dollars total. And I
[2:28:58] don't know that spending this
[2:29:01] type of tech money for modern
[2:29:02] applications is necessarily
[2:29:04] going to be beneficial to
[2:29:06] everyone. It seems to me are
[2:29:09] world is becoming more
[2:29:10] complicated with modern
[2:29:12] technology unit doesn't always
[2:29:13] seem to really be saving. And
[2:29:16] it MAY be at the expense of
[2:29:17] getting rid of some employees,
[2:29:18] perhaps who are currently
[2:29:24] doing a good job. So 5 million
[2:29:27] dollars subscription fee
[2:29:28] 3 million, 611,000 on the
[2:29:32] contract value page and
[2:29:33] training will be $98,000 is to
[2:29:36] train people how to use a
[2:29:37] software. So I wanted to bring
[2:29:39] this to your attention that I
[2:29:41] don't feel it's necessarily
[2:29:42] going to be an improvement
[2:29:44] over what you have for the
[2:29:45] public's value. Thank you for
[2:29:46] your consideration. Thank you,
[2:29:50] sir. The only comment. Okay.
[2:29:51] Can we hear from our
[2:29:53] procurement manager? Please.
[2:29:54] >> MISTER Mayor, we can. We
[2:29:54] have a look at Lucas. Thank
[2:30:00] you. They've people at the
[2:30:05] power point, please. MR. Mayor
[2:30:06] City would like to present
[2:30:08] power 0.2 as a financial
[2:30:13] analysis. So what I would like
[2:30:14] to point out is currently
[2:30:16] where you to the point of last
[2:30:17] commission meeting. Here are
[2:30:17] the 8 identified system that
[2:30:19] we're currently operating
[2:30:20] under.
[2:30:21] >> So you can see all of the
[2:30:23] systems right now to carry a
[2:30:25] current cost of $291,000
[2:30:28] annually, which will go up to
[2:30:32] 200 excuse me, 200 in
[2:30:32] $329,000. If we do not move
[2:30:37] forward, the erp. So right
[2:30:38] here is all of our a legacy
[2:30:39] system. So you can see central
[2:30:40] Square comes in at a value
[2:30:42] annual. We have 156,000 and
[2:30:45] line comes in at 42,000.
[2:30:48] Bonfire comes in at 520,000
[2:30:51] Fred, at 900 and urgent, 9,200
[2:30:55] bucks staff at 11,000 or Clay
[2:30:57] gmt hcm at 42,000 and Euna
[2:30:59] Solutions. Grant Management at
[2:31:05] another $2,400. This a visual
[2:31:07] kind of show you while
[2:31:09] workday, erp system does seem
[2:31:11] on an annual basis. We're
[2:31:11] already pretty much incurring
[2:31:14] those costs anyway, right? So
[2:31:17] if I could go back to this
[2:31:18] slide. The difference in these
[2:31:20] costs as about $40,000 right?
[2:31:23] So the efficiencies of just at
[2:31:24] $40,000 cost increases is
[2:31:25] going to be a savings across
[2:31:28] the board and and we would see
[2:31:33] that just in our payroll so
[2:31:35] again, the contract is for
[2:31:39] 4.6, 7 million dollars. The
[2:31:40] subscription cost is 3.6,
[2:31:42] which we did reduce that down
[2:31:45] by about $649,000. And we're
[2:31:47] still trying to work that down
[2:31:48] further, not the subscription
[2:31:49] costs. We feel that that is
[2:31:50] adequate. But what we are
[2:31:51] going to focus on is trying to
[2:31:54] lower that implementation cost
[2:31:56] training is coming in at about
[2:31:57] $98,000. And again, that would
[2:31:59] equate to 4.6, 4 million
[2:32:04] dollars. I don't want to hit
[2:32:04] too h#
[2:32:04] #
[2:32:04] #
[2:32:04] o#
[2:32:05] these deficiencies
[2:32:07] because I don't want you to
[2:32:08] assume that on the top and or
[2:32:10] the low and that we would
[2:32:13] actually meet these for us to
[2:32:14] assume target reductions. We
[2:32:16] have to go live. And so while
[2:32:18] these are the suggested
[2:32:21] reductions or efficiencies.
[2:32:22] Suggested to us by workday.
[2:32:23] Again, we're going to have to
[2:32:25] implement these processes and
[2:32:26] work through them in order for
[2:32:26] us to actually quite those
[2:32:33] efficiencies. Again, just the
[2:32:33] financial rationale, we would
[2:32:35] ask that you approve this
[2:32:38] item. We do have work day as
[2:32:39] well as brick and erp here for
[2:32:40] any questions that you guys we
[2:32:44] have.
[2:32:45] >> One question before before.
[2:32:45] Just one quick question, did
[2:32:49] the term change? The term did
[2:32:51] not change? So again, we left
[2:32:52] it for a 10 year. The
[2:32:53] recommendation from
[2:32:54] procurement staff would always
[2:32:56] be that you do not change erp
[2:32:57] systems. Every.
[2:32:59] >> For 5 years that you do
[2:33:00] lock that into a multi-year. I
[2:33:03] would recommend 7 to 10 moving
[2:33:03] forward in any condition. If
[2:33:04] you look forward to this in
[2:33:09] the future. You're paying a
[2:33:10] large implementation costs.
[2:33:11] Right? And so if you're
[2:33:12] assuming every 5 years you're
[2:33:14] going to go through a new
[2:33:15] Europe, he change that's a
[2:33:16] million dollars that you're
[2:33:16] losing every 5 years. So the
[2:33:18] recommendation would be that
[2:33:19] you utilize is for a 10 year
[2:33:23] period. Now, Mayor Coffman,
[2:33:26] what we did do is talk to rpa
[2:33:28] workday and iron brick about
[2:33:29] locking in a fixed rate for
[2:33:30] the 10 years. But then doing a
[2:33:33] 5, 5, So that was one of your
[2:33:36] request. So we did put that in
[2:33:37] there, which we do have
[2:33:37] negotiate in our resolution.
[2:33:38] So if that be the will of the
[2:33:40] commission, we could.
[2:33:41] >> Bring that in. And is there
[2:33:44] a minimum number of years
[2:33:45] without can't for cancellation
[2:33:49] or is Is it the 10 years? News
[2:33:50] if there was shift change in
[2:33:51] the city, wanted to go in a
[2:33:52] different direction, wanted to
[2:33:55] cancel the contract. Is there
[2:33:56] is there a minimum number of
[2:33:57] years that is required or is
[2:33:59] it that the 10 year term? So I
[2:34:01] would have to relook into
[2:34:02] that. So again, we are going
[2:34:03] to bake in some of our city
[2:34:05] terms and conditions the So at
[2:34:07] that point, what we could do
[2:34:09] is work with our and to to
[2:34:11] iron out those that
[2:34:14] termination schedule.
[2:34:15] >> Commissioner Kaseya. Yeah.
[2:34:18] My my biggest question is this
[2:34:18] citywide?
[2:34:19] >> All-out locations.
[2:34:22] Everything. So while it does
[2:34:24] appear to be a financial in hr
[2:34:25] purchase, it will affect all
[2:34:27] city staff. Yes.
[2:34:29] >> Because my reason for
[2:34:32] saying that down the new
[2:34:33] community center and then and
[2:34:34] it's a you can even get a cell
[2:34:36] phone to work in that
[2:34:40] building. That's a brand
[2:34:42] building. It comes so I was
[2:34:46] attacked a minute ago that you
[2:34:46] can come to city Hall and use
[2:34:50] the Internet here. But you can
[2:34:52] go to Douglas Jim'll old
[2:34:54] community center and use the
[2:34:58] Wi-Fi. I mean, I'm not
[2:34:59] engineer will do anything to
[2:35:01] do with that type of thing is
[2:35:02] you want to know anything
[2:35:05] about that guy and I can help
[2:35:06] you. But so get to that point,
[2:35:09] what I would say they do hate,
[2:35:10] even have a mobile
[2:35:10] connectivity, right? So so
[2:35:12] long as you have and to your
[2:35:13] point Internet access, you
[2:35:15] should be able to access
[2:35:15] workday.
[2:35:16] >> At any of our locations at
[2:35:19] any of our location. That's
[2:35:23] thank Any other commissioners,
[2:35:23] okay. Have to go I just wanted
[2:35:24] to think Lucas for the work
[2:35:26] that you put into this a month
[2:35:27] ago.
[2:35:28] >> When I was not a
[2:35:30] commissioner, I asked for
[2:35:31] postponement because I wanted
[2:35:33] to make sure that the city was
[2:35:37] ready for this implementation.
[2:35:39] And I ask that iron brick
[2:35:39] common. You guys all did that
[2:35:41] and that there's going to be a
[2:35:43] presentation from brick and
[2:35:44] I'm going to ask the rest of
[2:35:46] the commission pay close
[2:35:49] attention to their
[2:35:51] presentation. And you said
[2:35:52] most of the reduction in costs
[2:35:54] came from the implementation.
[2:35:58] There are no it sees a
[2:36:00] subscription cars must and I
[2:36:02] do have experience in this
[2:36:04] about many, many years ago was
[2:36:05] a part of a team that
[2:36:08] implemented sapd at DuPont
[2:36:10] Corporation and they the ceo
[2:36:11] at the kickoff said, you know,
[2:36:12] I don't think this is going to
[2:36:14] work because we DuPont don't
[2:36:17] integrate anything, but it
[2:36:17] didn't do is considered one of
[2:36:19] the best-run companies. 25
[2:36:21] years later. And I also
[2:36:22] implemented a sales force
[2:36:26] customization for my own
[2:36:28] company. And I you I wanted to
[2:36:32] speak to the term of 10 years.
[2:36:33] That is common. I promised my
[2:36:37] business partners at the drp
[2:36:38] implementation that I was
[2:36:39] doing would last 4 election
[2:36:41] cycles, which is 8 years.
[2:36:43] They're still using it today.
[2:36:47] And now we're on your 14. So
[2:36:48] it is important for us to get
[2:36:51] this right during the the
[2:36:53] implementation part. And
[2:36:53] that's why I'm really looking
[2:36:56] forward to Iron Bricks,
[2:36:58] presentation. But if this is
[2:36:59] done right, and we do need new
[2:37:03] systems, trust This could
[2:37:04] really, really change the way
[2:37:05] that the city does business
[2:37:09] and can really improved the
[2:37:11] services that we give our
[2:37:12] residents. This is something
[2:37:13] that I'm very excited about.
[2:37:15] Thanks, Lucas. Yes,
[2:37:16] commissioner, to your point, I
[2:37:17] would hope in my tenure here
[2:37:18] that this be the only time
[2:37:19] that we would transition to
[2:37:20] the New system such here point
[2:37:22] hopefully 15, 30 years would
[2:37:23] be.
[2:37:24] >> Beneficial for us. We do
[2:37:25] get automatic updates as part
[2:37:25] of being on the cloud and
[2:37:28] basin. The subscription. One
[2:37:28] thing I would like to correct
[2:37:32] is work day. Breaking them are
[2:37:34] not here to have a
[2:37:34] presentation. They're here to
[2:37:36] field any questions that you
[2:37:39] MAY have. So I decided that do
[2:37:40] want there is no presentation
[2:37:41] And I do have questions up.
[2:37:45] Please continue. Questions of
[2:37:48] of Iron Bridge, right? And
[2:37:51] it's a stay of So my my
[2:37:52] question to them one is have
[2:37:53] you done an evaluation to
[2:37:54] determine?
[2:37:55] >> That the city is ready to
[2:37:57] do this and who on staff has
[2:38:02] been identified as being the,
[2:38:05] you primary stakeholder in
[2:38:06] this implementation? And how
[2:38:08] much are you asking of staff
[2:38:10] during this implementation? As
[2:38:11] I understand it through the
[2:38:13] documentation that the hope is
[2:38:17] for ago Life of JULY of 2027.
[2:38:18] I just wanted to kind of hear
[2:38:21] from from iron brick what
[2:38:22] their thoughts are and how
[2:38:23] this is going to go with the
[2:38:26] stakeholders are going to be
[2:38:27] and what those milestones are.
[2:38:28] The updates that we will get
[2:38:31] as a commission during this
[2:38:33] implementation. I would love
[2:38:34] to see not every month, but,
[2:38:38] you know, maybe quarterly to
[2:38:41] hear from either staff or iron
[2:38:41] brick as to where we are in
[2:38:45] the implementation. Out of the
[2:38:46] courtesy of the consultants
[2:38:47] here. Maybe we can field those
[2:38:52] questions. One by one that
[2:38:52] that is the law the legal
[2:38:55] world. We call that a compound
[2:38:58] question just allowed. It's
[2:39:00] section. Yeah, good, good MR.
[2:39:01] Parkin the manager think MR.
[2:39:03] Mascot, which is the first
[2:39:04] question you'd like My first
[2:39:05] question is the evaluation of
[2:39:07] the readiness of the city to,
[2:39:08] you know, undertake does this
[2:39:13] enormous project?
[2:39:15] >> They're not ready yet. Know
[2:39:16] they're introduce the brink.
[2:39:19] Wants break as well as erp.
[2:39:20] That should feel questions.
[2:39:22] One thing I would like to
[2:39:22] clarify, though, as we know,
[2:39:24] have not had conversations on
[2:39:24] steering committees are those
[2:39:25] types of things I felt that
[2:39:29] would be inadequate and not a
[2:39:29] waste of their time with
[2:39:30] should we not move forward
[2:39:33] with this resolution item, ok?
[2:39:34] So we have not identified the
[2:39:37] stakeholders for this project.
[2:39:38] We've identified departments
[2:39:38] and individuals who will
[2:39:42] represent those Yes, they're
[2:39:45] so that my next question, if
[2:39:46] we're going to that to my next
[2:39:47] question was about the staff
[2:39:49] and stakeholders. The next one
[2:39:51] is about the implementation
[2:39:54] timelines and milestones in
[2:39:55] the calendar.
[2:39:56] >> And we know what's going to
[2:39:57] go first. How long do we have
[2:40:00] to run in peril? Do that
[2:40:03] again? So let's start with
[2:40:04] first question is timeline of
[2:40:05] this implementation and what
[2:40:09] those milestones are?
[2:40:13] >> get it. But I think it
[2:40:14] >> First lets just say good
[2:40:15] morning. We appreciate the
[2:40:15] opportunity here answer your
[2:40:17] questions on John King has
[2:40:18] been with work day in. Excuse
[2:40:19] me. I'm kind of little bit
[2:40:22] under the weather today. I
[2:40:23] represent workday, local
[2:40:24] government for South Florida.
[2:40:28] I out of the Fort Myers. The
[2:40:29] question that you just ask is
[2:40:32] best answered by your pa their
[2:40:33] the implementation partner
[2:40:33] Workday actually develops. Who
[2:40:35] provides the software and
[2:40:36] because the contract
[2:40:39] administrator, so hi, Javier
[2:40:42] Sanchez with a r p a just to
[2:40:45] directly answer your question.
[2:40:46] >> Yeah, we have a value it at
[2:40:46] the time line. We have a
[2:40:48] proven methodology. We've done
[2:40:51] several several government and
[2:40:52] we feel that the time line
[2:40:52] that's been set forth this
[2:40:55] accurate okay.
[2:40:59] >> another question for you.
[2:41:00] How how much customization for
[2:41:03] this city versus other cities
[2:41:05] we have a lot of disjointed
[2:41:08] systems here. Workday out of
[2:41:10] the with work to actually out
[2:41:11] of the box is very powerful
[2:41:12] and very good and very
[2:41:14] flexible. How much Cousins
[2:41:15] Ation is required for the city
[2:41:18] of Key West. Beautiful thing
[2:41:21] prior to rpa I was.
[2:41:23] >> And played 300 of workday.
[2:41:24] It's been around. So, you
[2:41:28] know, Macedon limitations yet.
[2:41:28] The beautiful thing about
[2:41:29] workday customizations aren't
[2:41:32] required. It's all comparable.
[2:41:33] We have validated. We've
[2:41:34] worked with Lucas and his team
[2:41:36] to validate scope and to
[2:41:38] discuss your uniqueness to it
[2:41:40] and nothing come up. That is
[2:41:42] of any concern. That's great.
[2:41:44] Great here. I don't have any
[2:41:46] other questions, MR. Mayor,
[2:41:48] thank you. MISTER Commissioner
[2:41:52] mascot. Other commissioners.
[2:41:55] Commissioner One quick
[2:41:56] question far was and
[2:41:56] everything. If what about
[2:41:58] getting hacked or any?
[2:42:04] >> Were we had on that?
[2:42:05] Ransomware the whole night.
[2:42:07] This is rates. How does it
[2:42:10] hold up to ransomware it?
[2:42:11] >> Yeah. Hello. Agregan. The
[2:42:12] Taos Ski. Thank you so much
[2:42:14] for having us here today from
[2:42:17] Work Day. I work with John and
[2:42:18] I worked is a very secure
[2:42:20] system. We have not been hat
[2:42:21] in the past. There's been no
[2:42:25] instances of that. So. We
[2:42:28] support some of the largest
[2:42:29] financial institutions the
[2:42:30] United States. Our security is
[2:42:36] top notch. And we have all the
[2:42:37] security designations that are
[2:42:37] available for viewing except
[2:42:39] for that. You want to see.
[2:42:40] >> All the stops to fall. The
[2:42:45] compliance. As well as and
[2:42:49] we're also certified.
[2:42:50] >> So you're telling me if we
[2:42:50] Brian, we implement the
[2:42:54] system. I know there's always
[2:42:55] a chance you impact. All
[2:43:02] right. Part of this city
[2:43:02] downplays of
[2:43:03] >> getting everything back and
[2:43:03] running again. If you do get
[2:43:08] act.
[2:43:11] >> say so want in all fairness
[2:43:14] to our potential new partners
[2:43:16] the access of the hack would
[2:43:18] not necessarily go through In
[2:43:19] my opinion, it would be some
[2:43:22] type of breach from the city.
[2:43:23] It's perspective. So what I
[2:43:25] would say is I'd lean heavily
[2:43:27] on on Dave his team in the it
[2:43:28] Department to secure all
[2:43:29] platforms that the city is
[2:43:30] using. What will be our
[2:43:33] methodology or process moving
[2:43:34] forward. If we did have an
[2:43:35] occurrence, we've had an
[2:43:38] occurrence in the past. So the
[2:43:39] individuals that were there at
[2:43:40] the time are also here at the
[2:43:43] time. At least 8 is so that
[2:43:45] would more than likely be
[2:43:45] something that they could
[2:43:46] speak to directly. But we do
[2:43:48] have the ability to recover.
[2:43:48] It depends on size and the
[2:43:50] scope and significance of the
[2:43:52] impact. But I would believe
[2:43:53] that would be unfair to direct
[2:43:54] that to our potential new
[2:43:56] partners because that would be
[2:43:56] something that would be our
[2:43:58] breach and not necessarily
[2:44:01] their platform. Safe to say
[2:44:05] Vice Mayor Lee was next.
[2:44:07] Motion approved. Is there a
[2:44:08] motion to approve? Is there a
[2:44:09] second? I'd like to second
[2:44:10] commissioner mascot seconds
[2:44:13] for more discussion.
[2:44:15] >> Can't have one more
[2:44:15] question work. Believe almost
[2:44:16] like a commissioner concealing
[2:44:16] and commissioner mask. How
[2:44:19] much down time.
[2:44:21] >> Would they be between deal
[2:44:23] system and this system while
[2:44:29] this is being implemented.
[2:44:29] >> Down time with respect to
[2:44:30] making the change from one
[2:44:34] system to another transition
[2:44:36] year. Yeah. So we'd be working
[2:44:38] with your teens, the team that
[2:44:38] supporting the deployment on
[2:44:41] your side of the equation.
[2:44:42] We'd be working with them to
[2:44:42] make sure that we have a clean
[2:44:43] cut out. There should be 0
[2:44:46] downtime. Now, there might be
[2:44:48] lag from one or 2 legacy
[2:44:49] systems that have to stay
[2:44:51] online until we bring it up.
[2:44:52] But that is determined before
[2:44:56] we even start the deployment.
[2:44:57] Beautiful run in peril of my
[2:44:57] my question was the b's of
[2:44:59] Sorry.
[2:45:03] >> That's okay. Thank you, MR.
[2:45:05] Still learning. Last question
[2:45:07] to work Day is that licensing
[2:45:08] fee for 10 years includes all
[2:45:09] of the updates and
[2:45:09] improvements over the next 10
[2:45:13] years. And everything.
[2:45:15] >> That's correct. Data
[2:45:17] storage, deploying the
[2:45:17] application. It's all the
[2:45:18] upgrades the functionality
[2:45:21] improvements. All costs are
[2:45:22] included, ok? And then one
[2:45:26] last question for Work Day.
[2:45:26] What happens in year 11 when
[2:45:27] we want to keep it does. How
[2:45:30] did we renegotiate this
[2:45:31] contract?
[2:45:32] >> Well, we'll be assigning to
[2:45:33] what we call a customer care
[2:45:33] manager be assigned to work
[2:45:36] with you.
[2:45:37] >> You know, day in and day
[2:45:38] out over this next ten-year
[2:45:40] period. I would imagine at
[2:45:42] some point early in your 9 or
[2:45:43] so this personal start having
[2:45:46] those discussions with you
[2:45:47] about, you know, do you want
[2:45:48] to renew and if so, under what
[2:45:50] terms and conditions and
[2:45:52] though the negotiated price in
[2:45:53] with you except the beauty of
[2:45:54] this 10 year agreement, it's
[2:45:55] already been mentioned. It's
[2:45:57] you're locking in prices in 10
[2:45:59] years. It doesn't matter if
[2:46:00] the cost of computing the cost
[2:46:03] of data storage. Labor costs,
[2:46:03] etcetera, skyrocket during
[2:46:06] that period. Time. This is
[2:46:08] guaranteed cost. But at some
[2:46:09] point, again, you'll just be
[2:46:10] entering into those
[2:46:11] negotiations. And it's it's
[2:46:11] your decision to make at that
[2:46:16] point. And if I MAY around
[2:46:17] year 7, we would re-evaluate
[2:46:19] as to whether they were under
[2:46:19] another competitive
[2:46:20] co-operative. If we did want
[2:46:22] to extend it. But around your
[2:46:23] 7, we should start that
[2:46:24] evaluation. If we did want to
[2:46:25] transition out, that would
[2:46:25] appropriate time to start
[2:46:28] doing that.
[2:46:29] >> Okay.
[2:46:29] >> Commissioner Haskell, thank
[2:46:31] you. Most of my questions were
[2:46:32] answered last month. Thank
[2:46:35] you, Lucas you guys for
[2:46:36] negotiating the price down a
[2:46:38] little bit. We appreciate
[2:46:41] that. My remaining question is
[2:46:43] how will data, the existing
[2:46:45] data from the existing legacy
[2:46:45] systems? How will that
[2:46:52] preserved?
[2:46:52] >> Again, we'll be working
[2:46:53] with your teams directly to
[2:46:56] figure out what the data
[2:46:57] strategy is going to be.
[2:46:58] There's going to be data
[2:47:00] that's obviously going to be
[2:47:00] put into the new system, the
[2:47:03] new work, system, but we will
[2:47:05] take a look at your legacy
[2:47:05] system and work with you all
[2:47:07] to figure out what is the best
[2:47:08] approach both from a storage
[2:47:09] perspective as well. And more
[2:47:09] importantly, a cost
[2:47:14] perspective. Commissioner has
[2:47:15] go if I just relay some
[2:47:16] information. So I did talk to
[2:47:18] David Davis here obviously on
[2:47:19] site.
[2:47:20] >> But we do have data
[2:47:23] servers. So once that that is
[2:47:23] converted, those servers are
[2:47:24] owned by the city's all of
[2:47:25] that data will also be house
[2:47:26] on those servers to my
[2:47:29] understanding.
[2:47:30] >> So what we have like a
[2:47:32] snapshot of our existing
[2:47:36] operations
[2:47:41] >> after that conversion.
[2:47:41] Could you could you reiterate
[2:47:45] that question for me?
[2:47:46] >> I am wondering if we will
[2:47:47] have the ability to go back
[2:47:52] and look at what the existing
[2:47:53] data was, whether it be an hr
[2:47:58] or some other department
[2:47:59] before I we eliminated that.
[2:48:00] Are we assuming it's all going
[2:48:05] to? The gathered into the new
[2:48:05] system and be used in the
[2:48:07] system or are we keeping, you
[2:48:11] know, like a second copy if it
[2:48:12] was a paper system, you know,
[2:48:13] what are we keeping a backup
[2:48:15] copy somewhere? That's a good
[2:48:18] question. So
[2:48:20] >> in situations like this,
[2:48:22] when you take an on premise
[2:48:23] system and you move it to a
[2:48:23] cloud-based architecture,
[2:48:26] which is what they're doing.
[2:48:28] You would take your existing.
[2:48:31] On premise system and we would
[2:48:32] do what's called archive at
[2:48:33] the systems would be
[2:48:35] essentially turned off
[2:48:37] eventually and they'll
[2:48:37] actually an archived copy
[2:48:39] would be placed in long-term
[2:48:42] storage. And the of that let's
[2:48:45] say. 3 years from now or
[2:48:48] something like that. You know
[2:48:50] something didn't get migrate
[2:48:51] or whatever. Some kind of are
[2:48:52] looking for. That potential
[2:48:55] could beat us. But we call
[2:48:56] spend those service back up
[2:48:58] and our private cloud data
[2:48:59] center that we have here on
[2:49:01] premise. And you could go in
[2:49:01] and retrieve that data and
[2:49:07] look at it. The day you go
[2:49:08] live in a cloud-based system
[2:49:12] here on premise, data is
[2:49:13] irrelevant because changes are
[2:49:16] being made. You know, as you
[2:49:17] go live. So you can't really
[2:49:18] use your old system anymore.
[2:49:20] You can go back and look at it
[2:49:22] from a historical perspective.
[2:49:26] But I'm not sure you know, I'm
[2:49:26] not sure that will be scoped
[2:49:29] out even more in a business
[2:49:30] process review when they kick
[2:49:33] off. If this is approved and
[2:49:35] they'll decide how many years
[2:49:36] of data, that's everything. If
[2:49:37] it sometimes 20 years,
[2:49:38] sometimes it's 30. We I mean,
[2:49:39] we have I think we probably
[2:49:43] have 30 years of data. You
[2:49:43] know, it just depends on, you
[2:49:44] know what that scope is going
[2:49:48] to be. But the systems are
[2:49:48] like turned off. And Ali did
[2:49:50] that are on Prem we don't do
[2:49:51] that. So that's that's that's
[2:49:52] not a good business practice
[2:49:55] to do. We storage is really
[2:49:56] not that expensive. You know,
[2:49:58] from a from a data center
[2:49:59] perspective. There's no reason
[2:50:00] for us not to be able to keep
[2:50:04] it. So.
[2:50:04] >> Any other discussion from
[2:50:08] the commission? I just want to
[2:50:12] thank you all for bringing us
[2:50:12] into the 21st Century. No more
[2:50:14] handwritten payroll slips. I
[2:50:16] guess for us or whatever else
[2:50:19] we do. So this is all really
[2:50:19] good news for greater
[2:50:20] efficiency. So with that,
[2:50:20] MADAM Clerk, can you please
[2:50:26] call the roll? Commissioner
[2:50:27] Carey? Yes, commissioner
[2:50:29] Castillo. Yes, commissioner
[2:50:31] Haskell. Yes, Shirley. Yes.
[2:50:32] Commissioner mascot. Yes,
[2:50:33] Rossi. Yes, mayor coffee. Yes.
[2:50:33] Thank you. Thank you. All.
[2:50:38] >> guys. Okay. The only
[2:50:39] resolution left is the one we
[2:50:41] table item. Number 12 Murray
[2:50:42] rated approving under the
[2:50:43] General Architectural services
[2:50:45] contract with under an
[2:50:46] associates. Architects pa a
[2:50:47] task order for professional
[2:50:49] design services for Mallory
[2:50:51] Square innovation and addition
[2:50:55] in the amount of 202,000 $645
[2:50:55] authorizing any necessary
[2:50:58] budget transfers or amendments
[2:50:59] authorizing the city manager
[2:51:00] to execute necessary documents
[2:51:01] up on consent of the city
[2:51:05] attorney. Okay. Did we leave
[2:51:06] off with? Turkish and from
[2:51:08] commissioner, how school? And
[2:51:12] she noted that. All right,
[2:51:15] right. The resolution itself
[2:51:19] says in the second paragraph
[2:51:19] that the existing bathroom
[2:51:23] will be renovated and that an
[2:51:26] additional bathroom would be
[2:51:27] constructed and it says
[2:51:31] adjacent to the existing
[2:51:32] facility that that's not that
[2:51:33] part is not reflective of what
[2:51:36] task one and task 2 actually
[2:51:40] sigh what task one and task 2
[2:51:42] psi is. We're going to
[2:51:43] renovate the Mallory Square
[2:51:45] existing back bathroom and
[2:51:46] then we're going to replicate
[2:51:48] that bathroom and it doesn't
[2:51:51] say where so I think what we
[2:51:55] need to do is just say in the
[2:51:57] record, let strikes a phrase
[2:51:59] adjacent to the existing
[2:52:01] facility and the second
[2:52:04] paragraph of the resolution
[2:52:06] and then they both lineup and
[2:52:08] the determination about where
[2:52:09] the 2nd half will be will be
[2:52:10] part of the design process. Is
[2:52:12] that your authorizing? Is that
[2:52:15] to you? Commissioner Haskell.
[2:52:17] Yes, that's perfect. Thank so
[2:52:18] much. So remind you, MADAM
[2:52:21] Clerk, I think we had a motion
[2:52:21] and a second. Yes. So who have
[2:52:23] made the motion? Well, I
[2:52:27] thought that was withdrawn.
[2:52:28] Was the motion withdrawn? Did
[2:52:29] you know it was everyone
[2:52:30] agreed. The motion with was
[2:52:33] withdrawn, but I make the move
[2:52:34] on, ok?
[2:52:34] >> Commissioner Haskell's if
[2:52:38] she's and decide district your
[2:52:39] proof.
[2:52:40] >> I would approve resolution
[2:52:42] as amended. Okay.
[2:52:43] >> Move approval, ok? So we
[2:52:46] have a motion as amended by
[2:52:46] Commissioner Castillo. Is
[2:52:50] there a second second? We have
[2:52:50] Commissioner Carey seconds.
[2:52:52] Can we call the roll? MADAM
[2:52:53] Clerk, please, Commissioner
[2:52:55] Commissioner Casteel. Yes,
[2:52:57] commissioner has well, yes,
[2:52:57] mission early. Commissioner
[2:52:58] mascot. Yes. Commissioner Ross
[2:53:00] Sea. Yes aircraft. Yes. Okay.
[2:53:03] Motion passes. That leads us
[2:53:09] to our next discussion item.
[2:53:10] Which is item number. 43 city
[2:53:14] attorney contract status.
[2:53:14] Commissioner Rossi, would you
[2:53:15] like to start off the cover
[2:53:18] saying Yes, I brought that up.
[2:53:18] We definitely need the an
[2:53:21] in-house attorney here. But my
[2:53:24] what pledging is here, too.
[2:53:26] Each one of gets a
[2:53:29] representative to represent us
[2:53:32] and start Putin out. Ideas are
[2:53:33] how do you say to push for a
[2:53:38] city attorney? It's, you know,
[2:53:42] we need to have one in Dallas.
[2:53:43] No disrespect, but that's my
[2:53:46] my thing. I I ran on it. I
[2:53:46] want it in House attorney here
[2:53:49] that we can go to I think we
[2:53:52] need to set a salary. I think
[2:53:54] we need to put, you know, put
[2:53:55] her feet down. And then each
[2:53:55] one of the skin and the
[2:53:57] representative and find city
[2:54:02] attorney here. Good. Thank
[2:54:03] you, Commissioner. Rusty. Any
[2:54:04] other commissioners want to be
[2:54:06] heard? Vice Mayor Lee and then
[2:54:10] the steps. Correct me if I'm
[2:54:12] wrong. But
[2:54:16] >> didn't we leave the?
[2:54:16] >> Search?
[2:54:19] >> Committee that we had. For
[2:54:23] city attorney in place. We
[2:54:24] didn't We didn't sunset that
[2:54:26] border anything. Is it that
[2:54:32] left that in place?
[2:54:33] >> I I don't believe that
[2:54:34] search committee was and did.
[2:54:35] I think it's up to the
[2:54:36] commission how it wants to
[2:54:39] proceed. But justice to be
[2:54:43] clear. And for the record when
[2:54:44] I came into my contract was
[2:54:48] signed in OCTOBER of last year
[2:54:49] and it became effective in
[2:54:51] NOVEMBER. Our thought was our
[2:54:56] I think all of us were hoping
[2:54:56] that I would be replaced. And
[2:54:59] I agree with Commissioner
[2:55:00] Rossi and I think commissioner
[2:55:02] cough and I think everybody
[2:55:03] thinks it would better, of
[2:55:05] course, to have an in-house,
[2:55:10] lawyer from here. The reason I
[2:55:10] was honored to do this and was
[2:55:14] willing to do it. Because
[2:55:14] coming back and forth
[2:55:15] sometimes is hard. Yesterday
[2:55:19] was particularly hard is
[2:55:19] because everybody seemed to
[2:55:21] feel we need a period of
[2:55:23] stability so that you get the
[2:55:28] caliber of city attorney and
[2:55:28] and and everyone could be
[2:55:31] comfortable with that. We
[2:55:32] envision that would take about
[2:55:36] a year, but there has been one
[2:55:38] development and I do want to
[2:55:41] address that happily MISS
[2:55:43] Hardin, who is a great
[2:55:43] resource for the city a very
[2:55:47] hardworking and smart lawyer
[2:55:48] is going to be out NOVEMBER
[2:55:52] DECEMBER and JANUARY and so
[2:55:53] subject to the will of this
[2:55:56] commission, of course, I'm
[2:55:59] very happy to continue. To be
[2:56:03] sure we have stable services
[2:56:06] to everybody. I would plan to
[2:56:07] be down here probably about a
[2:56:08] week each month rather than
[2:56:11] just coming down as I do. And
[2:56:12] I'm always available every
[2:56:14] single day. 24 hours a day. If
[2:56:15] you need me at 02:00am. As I
[2:56:19] told c you have to call me 2
[2:56:20] or 3 times to wake me up. But
[2:56:23] I will answer eventually. So
[2:56:24] my suggestion is whatever
[2:56:27] process you use, the idea
[2:56:31] would be that will go through
[2:56:32] with my contract. If you're
[2:56:34] comfortable with that through
[2:56:36] NOVEMBER DECEMBER and JANUARY,
[2:56:39] can't MISS Hardin back. You
[2:56:40] are call. We've got a new
[2:56:41] lawyer starting. We're very
[2:56:45] happy about that. And we have
[2:56:46] Brian you're getting your your
[2:56:50] team back to put together. But
[2:56:51] whether and how you proceed
[2:56:54] with the process is is up to
[2:56:56] this commission. But I just
[2:56:57] want you to know as long as
[2:56:59] you're comfortable. I really
[2:57:00] would like to maintain the
[2:57:02] stability in services of the
[2:57:03] office during the time that Ms
[2:57:09] Harness all. Commissioner
[2:57:10] Haskell.
[2:57:13] >> couple questions. I think.
[2:57:13] >> Man and I'm certainly have
[2:57:17] enjoyed working with you. I
[2:57:18] think your contract, doesn't
[2:57:24] it say it's up to 18 months?
[2:57:25] Actually, it's 30 day net
[2:57:30] notice either way, which could
[2:57:31] be 30 minutes we needed it to
[2:57:34] be. And it did say we envision
[2:57:35] that this contract would be
[2:57:38] approximately a year just one
[2:57:40] year. With that was that was
[2:57:42] our. That was our hope. That
[2:57:43] was our I thought. And
[2:57:47] actually, I think the existing
[2:57:49] investigations that were going
[2:57:49] on took a little longer than
[2:57:51] everybody thought. We thought
[2:57:52] there would be a little more
[2:57:55] overall stability.
[2:57:55] >> In the
[2:57:56] >> legal community, then maybe
[2:57:58] there is.
[2:58:00] >> And my second question to
[2:58:05] says the city manager.
[2:58:06] >> Is the.
[2:58:06] >> Job openings still posted
[2:58:09] on the city website or did
[2:58:12] close that down temporarily
[2:58:16] MR. Mayor commissioner, how
[2:58:17] school city manager's. That's
[2:58:19] not in our purview that was
[2:58:20] but we we don't we don't
[2:58:22] That's one of the things I
[2:58:22] think you'd want to do. You
[2:58:24] would find develop an up to
[2:58:26] date.
[2:58:26] >> Job description you want to
[2:58:28] pin and the Florida Bar
[2:58:31] Journal, you want to assure
[2:58:32] the Florida Municipal attorney
[2:58:33] associations, all those
[2:58:35] groups, not just here in Key
[2:58:37] West, but also around the
[2:58:38] state. Actually around the
[2:58:39] nation as long as they're
[2:58:40] members of the Florida bar.
[2:58:41] You want to be sure you have
[2:58:45] plenty of time. Our experience
[2:58:46] with higher and Jacob, by the
[2:58:52] way, was it took us. 8 months.
[2:58:55] It's, you know, because
[2:58:56] someone if it's not someone
[2:59:00] from here, someone has to move
[2:59:01] year. And that's, you know,
[2:59:04] that's that's quite an
[2:59:04] undertaking. Yeah, you were
[2:59:06] you would want to make it
[2:59:08] generally available and that
[2:59:08] the information out there's as
[2:59:11] soon as you possibly can. C as
[2:59:15] you are an attorney, versed.
[2:59:15] Everything he said is exactly
[2:59:19] right.
[2:59:20] >> Foxx says, guys, these and
[2:59:21] gentlemen here, we need to get
[2:59:24] this process moving. And
[2:59:26] that's what I brought this
[2:59:27] discussion on. He's let's get
[2:59:30] out there and find a city
[2:59:31] attorney doesn't necessarily
[2:59:33] have to be from Key West who
[2:59:35] would help. But I think that
[2:59:38] are ties the Florida bar and
[2:59:40] nationwide. And let's see
[2:59:42] what's out there. And I'm
[2:59:42] proposing each one of us as a
[2:59:44] representative to represent us
[2:59:45] and get this done put a
[2:59:48] timeframe on it. 2 months, 3
[2:59:49] months, she's already been
[2:59:53] here a year almost. We're
[2:59:54] sitting on our hands and just
[2:59:55] being lot we need to do this.
[2:59:58] Please. Commissioner has
[3:00:02] school and then come in.
[3:00:03] >> see it. So are you
[3:00:04] proposing forming a search
[3:00:11] committee? Okay. Thank you. So
[3:00:12] do we need to take action in
[3:00:14] order to post?
[3:00:16] >> The job they could Would
[3:00:19] you be ok with posting the job
[3:00:20] and then forming the committee
[3:00:22] or do you want the committee
[3:00:25] to opine know what to do?
[3:00:26] Uniform committee?
[3:00:26] >> advertise in all the bar
[3:00:29] generals and everything we
[3:00:33] checked and then we go through
[3:00:34] the applicants find which
[3:00:36] everyone that choose that are
[3:00:37] are point he chooses. And then
[3:00:39] we go from there that you
[3:00:40] would want to form the
[3:00:44] committee. That's a cent and
[3:00:49] asked that committee to look
[3:00:51] at the job description once
[3:00:51] again, the one that we will
[3:00:52] not only look at the look at
[3:00:54] the job description, but also
[3:00:56] to look at the applicants and
[3:00:58] find out want answers suitable
[3:00:59] that we we need to you know,
[3:01:01] that we would use, but we
[3:01:02] wouldn't have the applicant
[3:01:06] until we post the justice
[3:01:06] corruption. So step. So asking
[3:01:09] the committee the look at the
[3:01:09] job description for so post a
[3:01:15] job. Great, ok, that sounds
[3:01:17] like if you're going to be
[3:01:17] sponsoring a resolution us
[3:01:19] closer to effect the most
[3:01:21] important thing. This one of
[3:01:21] the most important things here
[3:01:22] from the city that we have and
[3:01:25] you're doing a great job. And
[3:01:29] Kendall you know, I just
[3:01:29] respect you so much that
[3:01:30] you're going to be out of the
[3:01:33] office for a little while.
[3:01:34] >> Maybe times change. I did
[3:01:36] go and ask handle it. She did
[3:01:38] want to position. So everybody
[3:01:38] knows here and now we had a
[3:01:42] good chat. But her, you know,
[3:01:43] her personal life is what
[3:01:43] she's got to take care of.
[3:01:46] First. And I'm simply asking
[3:01:50] the dice here to get Movin.
[3:01:53] And please, let's get
[3:01:54] attorney. Thank you. I just
[3:01:54] want to say a couple things.
[3:01:56] And Vice Mayor Lee your turn.
[3:02:00] >> I want to do just say thank
[3:02:00] you, Commissioner Rossi, for
[3:02:01] bringing this forward. I can
[3:02:03] agree with you enough about
[3:02:05] moving forward on this.
[3:02:06] However, I would caution us
[3:02:09] from having a screening
[3:02:11] committee. Remember, we have 3
[3:02:12] grand jury reports already
[3:02:13] that we've that we've received
[3:02:17] is a city perceptions or
[3:02:18] actual conflicts of interest
[3:02:19] are real, especially in a
[3:02:23] small legal community. If
[3:02:24] we're appointing a turn, local
[3:02:25] attorneys, which is
[3:02:26] historically the case from
[3:02:27] committees, we have to very
[3:02:28] cautious about that. The
[3:02:30] public will be watching us.
[3:02:32] And so I would suggest that we
[3:02:36] are the screening committee,
[3:02:36] our obligation as
[3:02:37] commissioners and mayor is to
[3:02:39] hire 3 people. Very specific
[3:02:43] in our charter. We hired the
[3:02:45] city attorney. We should not
[3:02:46] delegate that to anyone else.
[3:02:48] We should do that ourselves.
[3:02:49] We should do the vetting. We
[3:02:50] should do the screening. We
[3:02:51] should do the interviewing and
[3:02:52] we should do that job. That's
[3:02:53] my position. Respect the will
[3:02:57] of the Dyess but especially in
[3:02:58] this time in light of the
[3:02:59] grand jury reports, I think we
[3:03:01] should be extremely cautious
[3:03:03] about how we proceed in this.
[3:03:03] We don't make that decision
[3:03:05] today. Let's all think about
[3:03:06] it. And then when you bring a
[3:03:08] resolution, we can go forward.
[3:03:10] But my recommendation is just
[3:03:12] let's have our hr director
[3:03:13] review the job description.
[3:03:16] Come back with recommendations
[3:03:17] from all of us looking at it
[3:03:19] with our hr department and
[3:03:23] then put it out for for
[3:03:25] applications. And let's hope
[3:03:26] we get some good applicants so
[3:03:26] we can do the interview
[3:03:28] ourselves. That would be like
[3:03:29] my preference commissioner of
[3:03:32] base. Merely your turn. I was
[3:03:33] just going to ask about the
[3:03:33] screening committee that
[3:03:35] iPhone. We still had.
[3:03:45] >> In place. Either way. I. I
[3:03:45] could go with doing it
[3:03:46] ourselves or screening
[3:03:47] committee, whatever it is. The
[3:03:49] pleasure. The commission, I
[3:03:49] just don't know, you know,
[3:03:55] trying Figure out about. The
[3:03:55] existing. We have to go back
[3:03:57] and look at the resolution. We
[3:03:57] establish that screening
[3:04:00] committee. I guess does it
[3:04:00] have the sun said, do we, you
[3:04:05] know, do? Do we just a point
[3:04:06] new people or keep the people
[3:04:09] we had? What is the process
[3:04:09] was a formality of the
[3:04:10] existing screening committee
[3:04:12] that we have in place now at
[3:04:15] least I
[3:04:16] >> That might be a question
[3:04:17] for the clerk or a clerk to go
[3:04:18] back and look at it and
[3:04:19] provide that information to
[3:04:22] us. But regardless, I think
[3:04:23] this is a good discussion. I
[3:04:25] think we just bring of the
[3:04:26] resolution. And Commissioner
[3:04:27] Ross, if you want to bring a
[3:04:29] resolution at the at the
[3:04:31] OCTOBER one meeting, most I
[3:04:32] actually was sitting about
[3:04:33] bringing him on the 22nd. To
[3:04:36] be honest with as we are
[3:04:38] >> Session And that's what I'm
[3:04:42] thinking. Very few can find
[3:04:43] all that information out and
[3:04:43] give it to us. That would be
[3:04:44] very appreciative of that.
[3:04:51] Thank you the committee did
[3:04:52] come forward with the
[3:04:53] recommendation and it was to
[3:04:56] and downs. So I don't we
[3:04:57] typically don't sunset those
[3:04:59] if they come for, if they do
[3:04:59] come forward with the
[3:05:00] recommendation. But I'll
[3:05:03] certainly look at all
[3:05:03] founding. A look at the video
[3:05:06] because you have 2 new. He has
[3:05:08] 2 commissioners here on the
[3:05:09] board. I knew that I want
[3:05:12] someone the eye and could be
[3:05:15] in sure Krista's. Monica.
[3:05:17] You're going to be here for a
[3:05:18] little law. Donnie, you know
[3:05:21] about that as well as I do.
[3:05:23] Undertaker Buddy Year. He's a
[3:05:26] he's with do so, yeah, let's
[3:05:27] do this to 22nd, please. The
[3:05:31] sooner the better great. So
[3:05:32] we'll we'll we'll have. We'll
[3:05:33] expect a resolution at the
[3:05:35] 22nd of budget final meeting.
[3:05:38] Okay. I think we've cover that
[3:05:38] much someone else that wants
[3:05:41] to say something.
[3:05:42] >> Well, I was just going say
[3:05:43] that the actually the
[3:05:47] resolution Commissioner Casco
[3:05:51] the resolution from the
[3:05:52] screening committee
[3:05:52] recommended that I be hired
[3:05:58] for 18 months to allow
[3:05:59] stability. And we're making it
[3:06:00] a So that's where the 18
[3:06:01] months came from. My contract
[3:06:04] doesn't actually say that it's
[3:06:07] actually 30 days, but neither
[3:06:09] the 2023 nor the 2025
[3:06:10] resolutions that put green
[3:06:13] committees in place sunset the
[3:06:16] committee. I think you can say
[3:06:20] implicitly when they finish
[3:06:20] their work, maybe that's a
[3:06:21] into of the committee. But any
[3:06:22] event that committee makeup
[3:06:26] would no longer represent
[3:06:27] representatives from, you
[3:06:28] know, each one, we have a
[3:06:30] different makeup of the
[3:06:33] commission right? Yes, that on
[3:06:34] to that.
[3:06:34] >> You're correct. Probably
[3:06:38] will need you. It's started in
[3:06:39] OCTOBER of last year's
[3:06:44] occurred. Icon try one, sir.
[3:06:46] We get a screening or power,
[3:06:49] we choose to do it year, 3
[3:06:51] months, at least 4 months.
[3:06:52] Okay. And then we have a new
[3:06:55] commissioner on board you know
[3:06:57] that they can be in it too.
[3:06:59] And there you are 100%
[3:07:01] correctly higher. 3 people.
[3:07:04] And as city manager, the city
[3:07:04] attorney, carry over here and
[3:07:08] the clerk of new the well,
[3:07:10] know that bin that over the
[3:07:12] years. So I just asked for
[3:07:13] let's please get this moving
[3:07:15] forward and can't. But just
[3:07:18] want to say we have a lot of
[3:07:18] very significant.
[3:07:24] >> Legal work ongoing and we
[3:07:24] need the stability of miss
[3:07:27] downs, especially in light of
[3:07:28] what you know, the
[3:07:29] circumstances. So I a green
[3:07:30] mint with mistress with
[3:07:33] Commissioner Ross on that.
[3:07:34] Okay. Just I'm sorry. Just one
[3:07:36] more point of personal
[3:07:39] privilege. This is a hard job.
[3:07:43] It is a job of great honor.
[3:07:44] And I want to say that the
[3:07:46] people in this building have
[3:07:47] treated me.
[3:07:49] >> So kindly and so
[3:07:51] respectfully. But I just want
[3:07:53] us all to remember that the
[3:07:55] person is sitting in this
[3:07:58] chair as a person who no
[3:08:00] reference to or prior people
[3:08:04] sometimes goes to jail. The
[3:08:04] only people in the state of
[3:08:05] Florida who ever going to jail
[3:08:08] for public records. Our city
[3:08:12] attorneys, it's a hard job and
[3:08:13] the more respect that all of
[3:08:16] you show every member have
[3:08:18] your staff and your public
[3:08:20] officials, the batter caliber
[3:08:23] candidate, you'll get sitting
[3:08:24] here. Easy for me. I've been
[3:08:25] doing this a long time. Few
[3:08:30] fire me today. I'll be okay.
[3:08:31] But that's not true for every
[3:08:33] lawyer who would like this job
[3:08:34] and who would do a good job
[3:08:36] you. So thank you for the
[3:08:37] courtesy you've given me. And
[3:08:40] I hope that will continue. And
[3:08:42] just remember every word we
[3:08:46] stay here. Impacts us all over
[3:08:46] time.
[3:08:47] >> ma'am. I just want to add
[3:08:48] one thing. So what we've had
[3:08:52] here for a year. Hey, Terry, I
[3:08:53] trusted her arm to try to take
[3:08:56] the job, move it from Orlando.
[3:08:57] But she lives Orlando and we
[3:09:00] know a lot of people that
[3:09:01] confiscated city attorney and
[3:09:03] are there you go. Thank you
[3:09:04] very We love you. Thank Okay.
[3:09:05] if we can move on to the next
[3:09:07] slide. Please. Thank you.
[3:09:10] >> The next discussion item is
[3:09:11] discussion and direction
[3:09:12] regarding personnel, staffing
[3:09:12] levels and potential reduction
[3:09:17] in force. MR. City manager.
[3:09:18] MR. Mayor Commission, I
[3:09:21] believe we have a Christina
[3:09:22] Christina could come up and
[3:09:25] give us an overview.
[3:09:27] >> What you were just to bring
[3:09:28] everyone or provide contacts,
[3:09:30] bring everyone to speed and
[3:09:31] provide contacts.
[3:09:33] >> At the initial budget
[3:09:35] meeting, we were instructed to
[3:09:38] go further. So in with that
[3:09:39] leadership, we looked at the
[3:09:39] Key West Fire Department. We
[3:09:41] look at the Key West Police
[3:09:42] Department and then we also
[3:09:43] looked at additional
[3:09:46] opportunities regarding city,
[3:09:49] Steph. So we will present an
[3:09:50] overview, Christina will, and
[3:09:51] then we will do our best to
[3:09:56] answer questions in short care
[3:09:57] and compassion if moving
[3:09:57] forward with impact anybody at
[3:10:00] the city. So we'll do our best
[3:10:01] to do that now. And thank you
[3:10:06] for this opportunity. Good
[3:10:07] morning, mayor and
[3:10:08] commissioners. So on the
[3:10:11] discussion item, I guess is
[3:10:12] in.
[3:10:13] >> Regards to there would be
[3:10:14] an additional 1.6, 5 million
[3:10:15] dollars in savings that could
[3:10:20] be received an order if we
[3:10:23] were to staff reductions. So
[3:10:25] this would encompass 15
[3:10:28] positions across all the funds
[3:10:29] on in the general fund itself,
[3:10:32] it would be around 950,000 and
[3:10:33] all the other funds would be
[3:10:37] around 700,000. Some. The
[3:10:40] budget that will be presented
[3:10:40] next week will be presented at
[3:10:44] a rollback millage. So we have
[3:10:47] already identified additional
[3:10:48] savings and and however, there
[3:10:50] were some revenue reductions
[3:10:51] from the numbers from the
[3:10:53] state came back. Some of them.
[3:10:57] Lower or estimated. I was
[3:10:59] assuming them flat city came
[3:11:01] back reduced. So it's just I
[3:11:04] guess, for direction from you.
[3:11:06] Do you want us to continue
[3:11:07] making cost savings or do we
[3:11:09] want to just come with the
[3:11:14] budget roll back and the
[3:11:15] general Fund. Thank you,
[3:11:15] Christina, before I'm sorry,
[3:11:21] MR. Mayor. Few things. We're
[3:11:22] catching this conversation
[3:11:26] with the premise that.
[3:11:26] >> Although we're not
[3:11:29] obligated or instructed by
[3:11:31] until next year. We this was
[3:11:33] part of an exercise that we
[3:11:34] were required to do or will be
[3:11:36] required to do not just a
[3:11:40] municipality. So we feel very
[3:11:40] comfortable that we have
[3:11:41] executed this process in
[3:11:45] conjunction with you in
[3:11:47] delivering the initial
[3:11:48] rollback minus with those cost
[3:11:49] savings in our adjustment to
[3:11:50] our budget. So I just want to
[3:11:50] make sure that everyone feels
[3:11:53] as much as they can that we
[3:11:53] believe in good faith. We've
[3:11:57] done everything that we can.
[3:11:58] This was to follow up to the
[3:12:01] go further opportunity. What
[3:12:02] makes this unique was and
[3:12:04] we've been asked this, why
[3:12:06] can't we reduce staff through
[3:12:08] attrition? We'd like to
[3:12:10] continue to to point to that.
[3:12:12] That's where the 17 initial
[3:12:13] positions we're a chief was
[3:12:14] through some form or fashion
[3:12:15] of attrition or transition
[3:12:19] that we froze. So we
[3:12:20] accomplished that opportunity.
[3:12:22] This is an important decision
[3:12:24] because this does impact
[3:12:25] individuals that are currently
[3:12:26] in these roles. The 17 there
[3:12:28] were not. They were vacated
[3:12:29] roles. So please understand
[3:12:33] that. If you give us a cursory
[3:12:33] leadership to move forward,
[3:12:34] that means that we are going
[3:12:36] to sit in front of 15
[3:12:38] teammates and have a difficult
[3:12:40] but caring conversation with
[3:12:43] them. And we feel although it
[3:12:44] falls under administrative and
[3:12:46] executive that this is more
[3:12:48] policy driven-in should rest
[3:12:49] with you all, whether we
[3:12:51] continue to move forward.
[3:12:53] Bringing back to the
[3:12:53] commission
[3:12:55] >> clearly.
[3:12:59] >> Of those 15. State. How
[3:13:02] many are in drop or who if
[3:13:09] they're and dropping? That
[3:13:10] effect your decision? If we're
[3:13:10] if you're directed to move
[3:13:14] forward that way, MR. Mayor?
[3:13:14] >> MISTER Vice mayor, it's an
[3:13:18] excellent question. I would. I
[3:13:19] refrain from commenting on
[3:13:22] that particular one other
[3:13:25] through context. Clues today.
[3:13:28] If this doesn't move forward,
[3:13:29] individuals with feel could
[3:13:30] possibly feel that what was at
[3:13:32] me. So I would like to tell
[3:13:34] you that what our team has
[3:13:35] done conjunction with
[3:13:38] directors or human Resource
[3:13:39] Department over a 6 to 8 month
[3:13:42] period of time was to
[3:13:43] carefully consider individual
[3:13:44] roles. I would refrain from
[3:13:48] telling you exactly what they
[3:13:49] are and what they include.
[3:13:50] Because if we're do not tell
[3:13:53] us as a group to move forward
[3:13:54] there be a possible impact to
[3:13:55] that information. Understood.
[3:14:00] I appreciate that.
[3:14:01] Commissioner Castillo not not
[3:14:02] singling out any any position
[3:14:05] because I know these positions
[3:14:06] were open.
[3:14:08] >> not going to be replaced.
[3:14:12] But in the of and I knew.
[3:14:16] Whether it be by. Contractor
[3:14:16] will.
[3:14:18] >> Or
[3:14:22] >> part time. Because one of
[3:14:24] the sick concerns, my district
[3:14:28] that I know that I need
[3:14:29] somebody in the district, but
[3:14:31] it doesn't require full-time
[3:14:32] position, but eliminating the
[3:14:33] position and the city
[3:14:35] government. That's that bid
[3:14:37] the door close.
[3:14:39] >> 4.
[3:14:45] >> Manager. MR. Mayor
[3:14:46] Commissioner Casteel. I would
[3:14:47] answer this at any point in
[3:14:51] time. If we feel that need to
[3:14:56] add additional staff moving
[3:14:56] forward, my understanding
[3:14:57] would be we just could not add
[3:14:59] in the particular role that
[3:15:01] was eliminated that title in
[3:15:01] that job description. So if it
[3:15:04] comes to pass that we believe
[3:15:06] we MAY have impacted area of
[3:15:08] opportunity or service to this
[3:15:10] community that we need to
[3:15:11] backfill. We have the ability
[3:15:15] to do that. So. I believe
[3:15:17] you're asking me whether it's
[3:15:17] part-time or full-time we
[3:15:18] would do with this. Really not
[3:15:21] about him. The job right now.
[3:15:23] >> In the states that it's in,
[3:15:25] it was split. Would city money
[3:15:27] from the department and the
[3:15:32] cra.
[3:15:33] >> MR. Maher Commissioner, at
[3:15:33] a disadvantage. I don't know
[3:15:35] what job you refer to. The cra
[3:15:37] manages position that's fake.
[3:15:40] Right now that that position,
[3:15:41] that role was captured because
[3:15:44] at the time we we aggregated
[3:15:47] the data that position was
[3:15:49] unfilled. That's why you're
[3:15:50] seeing it now. It's not an
[3:15:50] indication of whether we
[3:15:52] believe it's needed or not
[3:15:53] needed. I would tell you one
[3:15:55] record that I believe it is
[3:15:56] needed. We can work together
[3:16:00] to determine offline the
[3:16:00] manner in which he's at full
[3:16:05] time. Is it want hear. Thank
[3:16:07] Commissioner Cusk a season
[3:16:07] commissioner mascot. Yeah. I
[3:16:09] just wanted to make sure that
[3:16:11] we were talking conceptually
[3:16:13] and not about individual jobs
[3:16:15] because that is the role of
[3:16:16] the city manager and the city
[3:16:17] finance director.
[3:16:19] >> To make those
[3:16:20] determinations so they're
[3:16:23] asking us, do we want to go
[3:16:26] further? And another 1.6, 5
[3:16:27] million dollars and say in
[3:16:30] personnel, savings. About 15
[3:16:30] positions that are currently
[3:16:34] filled. You know, we all talk
[3:16:35] about like, oh, we need to run
[3:16:36] government like a business and
[3:16:38] staff at government is not a
[3:16:41] business. We don't have.
[3:16:41] Shareholders or profit and
[3:16:42] loss and we don't have to like
[3:16:45] prove, you know, show a profit
[3:16:45] we need to do is provide good
[3:16:48] service to our residents. And
[3:16:49] I want to make sure that if we
[3:16:56] give direction to staff reduce
[3:16:57] further in we're seeing
[3:17:00] reduced by another 1.6, 5
[3:17:00] million, which I think fire
[3:17:01] coffin was. But you you would
[3:17:05] requested for that percentage
[3:17:05] regarding doge and whatever
[3:17:06] with future because we need to
[3:17:07] deal with this likely in the
[3:17:13] future. And, you know, I don't
[3:17:16] I don't Are we able to say me
[3:17:18] halfway and maybe say, you
[3:17:19] know, half of for now is is
[3:17:19] that something that's
[3:17:21] possible? MR. Maher
[3:17:23] commissioner mascot.
[3:17:24] >> All avenues and
[3:17:27] opportunities are possible. We
[3:17:28] have the ability now what that
[3:17:30] would require candidly would
[3:17:31] be for our team to reconvene
[3:17:32] because now it feels more of
[3:17:36] a. Selection process like
[3:17:37] which one of the original 15
[3:17:41] as opposed to it was a lot of
[3:17:42] iterations that landed on
[3:17:44] 15th. So in all and we do
[3:17:45] that, absolutely. I would tell
[3:17:49] you that what our fear
[3:17:51] unfairly, what our opportunity
[3:17:54] in the future is is we need to
[3:17:55] land this plane by the 10th.
[3:17:57] Or at least have some
[3:17:58] indication of what that's
[3:17:58] going to feel because it
[3:17:59] wouldn't be fair to you all to
[3:18:00] give you something on the
[3:18:01] 10th. That is not indicative
[3:18:01] of what we're going to be
[3:18:03] doing long-term. So. Can we
[3:18:06] get it done? Yes, I'm not
[3:18:10] going to ask about them. I'm
[3:18:11] going continue with what's in
[3:18:14] front of us. Absolutely. And,
[3:18:15] know, I asked you that during
[3:18:16] our agenda review as well. And
[3:18:17] I just wanted to for the
[3:18:22] public's knowledge you know?
[3:18:23] It's hard because, you know,
[3:18:23] do the question is, do we rip
[3:18:26] the Band-Aid off today or do
[3:18:29] we wait and see what happens
[3:18:31] with, you know, the the
[3:18:33] resolution or the referendums
[3:18:33] that are happening in
[3:18:34] everything and how that's
[3:18:38] going to affect us in NOVEMBER
[3:18:39] and just leave Fy 2027 budget
[3:18:43] as it is. And then have to
[3:18:44] make the real hard decisions
[3:18:46] in 2028. That's that's the
[3:18:47] question that's in front of
[3:18:50] us. And. I mean, I do want
[3:18:53] services for the city. I don't
[3:18:57] want to do constrain the
[3:18:58] current you know, until we
[3:19:03] need to do so. You don't want
[3:19:04] to rip that Band-Aid off
[3:19:07] unless you know, we need to
[3:19:07] because, you you MAY not have
[3:19:14] healed Commissioner Rusty. To
[3:19:17] rebuttal. You commissioner.
[3:19:19] First got as city manager. But
[3:19:21] we're talking about pink
[3:19:23] slips. Business world. As you
[3:19:29] probably well know. Identified
[3:19:29] that yours, 15 positions that
[3:19:32] need to be vacated.
[3:19:33] >> I personally don't want to
[3:19:38] see somebody vacated, but how
[3:19:38] many departments are you have
[3:19:39] looked at every single
[3:19:41] department? How many
[3:19:44] departments we have 16, 17.
[3:19:47] Let's go from there, MR.
[3:19:49] Mayor.
[3:19:51] >> summer of subsidiaries of
[3:19:51] larger departments. But 15 is
[3:19:54] usually what I Kuwait is the
[3:19:56] major departments. What I can
[3:19:57] tell you globally and this is
[3:20:00] a a fair and truthful
[3:20:02] statement. Was that every
[3:20:04] department in division was a
[3:20:06] look that especially when we
[3:20:07] got direction that the for at
[3:20:08] the initial meeting to look at
[3:20:11] police and fire. What I would
[3:20:15] tell you is that our initial?
[3:20:16] Evaluation carved out police
[3:20:18] and fire. So what I would tell
[3:20:20] you without reservation is
[3:20:23] that every department in the
[3:20:25] entire city was run through
[3:20:26] this filter in process. That
[3:20:28] was a collaborative one and
[3:20:33] had many iterations.
[3:20:33] >> Okay. To personally would
[3:20:37] like to sit down with you,
[3:20:38] Christine, go over some of
[3:20:44] these things you know, it's
[3:20:45] it's very tough. What we're
[3:20:48] talking about here, y'all. Not
[3:20:49] letting people work and
[3:20:53] everything like that. I'd like
[3:20:54] to sit down with you and go go
[3:20:56] through it. Maybe we can find
[3:20:59] some answers. Do you have any
[3:21:00] hiring freeze is in effect
[3:21:03] right now, MR. Maher
[3:21:03] Commissioner Ross that we've
[3:21:04] been in a hiring freeze for
[3:21:05] the last 6 months unless it
[3:21:07] was mission critical.
[3:21:08] >> So there you're going to
[3:21:09] hear some some opportunities
[3:21:12] that we're gonna Dana icm
[3:21:13] report that we've added staff.
[3:21:15] But these the Ute is mission
[3:21:17] critical positions. Not at
[3:21:19] all. All positions are
[3:21:20] important, but these are very
[3:21:22] critical to the service of the
[3:21:23] community. So we've been in a
[3:21:25] hiring freeze. And we've also
[3:21:26] been a travel freeze and less
[3:21:31] those required some type of
[3:21:31] accreditation and training or
[3:21:33] what have you. So that's more
[3:21:35] discernment from the
[3:21:36] individual director myself.
[3:21:38] But we what we would tell you
[3:21:38] is that we've done everything
[3:21:41] in our ability to not only
[3:21:44] look at expense controls, do
[3:21:46] our best to pause in the
[3:21:48] access that we believe until
[3:21:49] we came to this decision point
[3:21:50] and I empathize and recognize
[3:21:53] it is a tough decision. You're
[3:21:54] 100% right. This is why
[3:21:57] approached it the way we have
[3:22:00] because we don't want we
[3:22:03] really insured to the best of
[3:22:05] our ability, not a lead
[3:22:07] information that would impact
[3:22:11] somebody unnecessarily move.
[3:22:11] Isn't.
[3:22:12] >> I'm up to speed so that you
[3:22:13] do have a hard freeze for the
[3:22:16] last 6 months and a
[3:22:16] trouble-free of 6 months. Is
[3:22:20] that correct? MR. Maher See it
[3:22:26] is correct. Yes or and have
[3:22:27] you identified anybody that
[3:22:27] you're going I'm not asking
[3:22:32] for the This testing in
[3:22:34] general question, do you have
[3:22:36] your eye on any positions that
[3:22:37] might vacated that use that
[3:22:40] Vacate it? By budget. Have
[3:22:43] gone that far yet? MR. Maher
[3:22:47] see it if I'm understanding
[3:22:48] your question, how we identify
[3:22:49] positions that if we move
[3:22:50] forward with now.
[3:22:53] >> Be vacated. The.
[3:22:56] >> yes, a So absolutely what
[3:23:01] we what our team has.
[3:23:02] Incorporated into this process
[3:23:08] is one has been layer of layer
[3:23:08] of conversation regarding
[3:23:11] streamline some of the some of
[3:23:12] if not all of the direction of
[3:23:13] leadership that we received
[3:23:15] from the aforementioned 3
[3:23:15] grand jury reports about
[3:23:17] reducing the size of
[3:23:19] government. Streamlining the
[3:23:23] organizational chart
[3:23:26] eliminating layers of
[3:23:27] leadership. These are these
[3:23:28] dripped upon us over this
[3:23:29] course of of action. So we've
[3:23:33] incorporated all of that into
[3:23:35] this process. We were able to
[3:23:36] accomplish the savings that we
[3:23:37] presented at the beginning
[3:23:41] didn't believe was a strong
[3:23:43] start. But what we were
[3:23:44] instructed to do is to go
[3:23:46] further. So we are we are of
[3:23:48] the opinion that we could go
[3:23:49] further. You will instruct
[3:23:51] that or we could pause.
[3:23:52] >> I would say the
[3:23:53] commissioner mascots statement
[3:23:58] is one that I I.
[3:23:59] >> I battle every day. How do
[3:24:01] we prepare for what is coming
[3:24:01] >> in front of us and what is
[3:24:03] coming in front of us. And
[3:24:06] this is not shock and awe, but
[3:24:08] we're going to bond money and
[3:24:11] that means the millage is
[3:24:12] automatically going to
[3:24:14] increase. So we are doing our
[3:24:16] best to prepare for that
[3:24:16] because we do not have to make
[3:24:17] this decision today. You're
[3:24:21] absolutely right. There's
[3:24:22] going to be a point in time.
[3:24:24] We're going to have to make a
[3:24:25] decision. I do. We exercise
[3:24:27] the change in our budget this
[3:24:30] year. We exercise this concept
[3:24:33] and we feel we've pulled every
[3:24:35] lever other than right now.
[3:24:36] We're with the additional.
[3:24:41] Savings come from. I it's
[3:24:43] either increase revenue or
[3:24:44] decrease expenses. How do you
[3:24:44] increase revenue? Increase
[3:24:48] taxes? We've done. You can see
[3:24:49] right now with items that are
[3:24:52] going to come for you tonight.
[3:24:53] We have now effectively in
[3:24:56] every every revenue department
[3:24:56] have taken very candid
[3:24:59] approach to a 3 year average
[3:25:00] and have made decisions about
[3:25:02] increasing revenue. So we've
[3:25:04] done that. We've decreased
[3:25:05] expenses. This is an
[3:25:08] additional option is a painful
[3:25:08] one because you're right. It
[3:25:11] is. It involves individuals.
[3:25:12] But if we do not do that now,
[3:25:14] which we have the ability not
[3:25:16] to, we believe then we come
[3:25:17] and ask you to keep us at
[3:25:18] rollback. And then we will do
[3:25:20] everything we can as we prep
[3:25:22] for the next year, too. How do
[3:25:28] we mitigate? And build in the?
[3:25:28] The capacity for the Delta in
[3:25:32] the mileage. It's a tough
[3:25:37] task. Is ice merrily. I think
[3:25:38] we all agree that public
[3:25:41] safety is our top priority.
[3:25:43] And I just want to say for the
[3:25:45] record that should should this
[3:25:48] additional reduction in
[3:25:49] workforce occur?
[3:25:51] >> That none of none of the
[3:25:54] identified positions are sworn
[3:25:54] police officers sworn police
[3:25:59] officers or actual.
[3:26:03] Firefighters or paramedics. It
[3:26:05] would would come maybe pension
[3:26:08] potentially from support
[3:26:08] within within those 2
[3:26:13] departments. Correct. MISTER
[3:26:15] Mayor, MR. Vice Mayor, I you
[3:26:19] know, again, sake of being.
[3:26:20] Compassion, it I would tell
[3:26:24] you that. When you asked us to
[3:26:26] move in, look into not you. In
[3:26:27] general, the commission said
[3:26:28] look at to police and fire. I
[3:26:30] believe we do know at that
[3:26:31] time.
[3:26:35] >> That it was not to look
[3:26:36] life safety. So I would say
[3:26:37] let me refer back to that
[3:26:39] statement and not necessarily
[3:26:39] answer your question directly
[3:26:40] other than we follow
[3:26:43] direction. Commissioner
[3:26:46] Haskell, thank you.
[3:26:48] >> What what dollar amount of
[3:26:50] cost savings did the police
[3:26:50] and fire departments of come
[3:26:53] up with one. You challenge
[3:26:53] them to bring forward a
[3:26:57] reduction. Commissioner has
[3:27:00] called believe each we carried
[3:27:03] out those orders. Kristina
[3:27:04] together, we did it together.
[3:27:07] There it is. Kristina. Can you
[3:27:10] support that? I would say that
[3:27:10] both police and fire came up
[3:27:11] with an additional 120,000
[3:27:21] Inc. Each. Yes, sorry, clearly
[3:27:22] let me try and say it this
[3:27:26] way. Then. I'm trying to maybe
[3:27:29] reassure the public based on
[3:27:29] my conversations with city
[3:27:34] staff. In going through this
[3:27:35] exercise in talking about
[3:27:36] further reductions. It is my
[3:27:41] understanding that should.
[3:27:45] Further cuts need to come to
[3:27:46] personnel that sworn police
[3:27:47] officers, boots on the ground.
[3:27:47] The men and women that are out
[3:27:49] there protecting us would not
[3:27:52] be reduced. Norwood fire
[3:27:53] fighters or paramedics. I'm
[3:27:57] not it's not. That's a
[3:27:58] statement that I want to make.
[3:27:59] Putin and Vice Mayor Lee, I
[3:28:01] think we all agree with that.
[3:28:02] I mean, that's that's very
[3:28:05] clear. And whether or not the
[3:28:05] manager, you know, managers
[3:28:07] being very careful and it's
[3:28:07] understandable.
[3:28:08] >> We understand why he saying
[3:28:11] what he's saying as the policy
[3:28:13] board of the City Commission.
[3:28:14] I think we all with I doubt
[3:28:16] anybody would disagree with
[3:28:20] that. We we have the minimum
[3:28:22] Manning that's required in the
[3:28:22] police department. The minimum
[3:28:24] Manning that's required for
[3:28:25] paramedics or ambulance
[3:28:25] service are firefighters. And
[3:28:28] that's going that's going to
[3:28:28] be maintained. So really
[3:28:30] appreciate mentioning that
[3:28:32] because that's the public
[3:28:33] needs to satisfied. But with
[3:28:34] okay, commissioner can I think
[3:28:37] that I wanted to say that we
[3:28:38] we so shortage already in
[3:28:42] those 2 departments that these
[3:28:47] guys a work in to the bone I
[3:28:49] have a son who works for the
[3:28:54] city and he's out there at $23
[3:28:55] an hour. I mean, he's out
[3:28:58] there in the Berlin son. I pay
[3:28:59] for an education for but that
[3:29:03] that's what he likes to do.
[3:29:04] Children is out children s
[3:29:05] that's their choice. But
[3:29:09] again. Personally don't want
[3:29:13] body to lose a job. But I
[3:29:16] understand the crisis that we
[3:29:17] end. But please don't don't
[3:29:18] pick on the people that keep
[3:29:22] our city going. Every that out
[3:29:26] there in that Berlin son Day
[3:29:31] to for some reason or another
[3:29:32] these jobs are essential. To
[3:29:36] us. Every department to me
[3:29:41] means something to the city.
[3:29:42] And again, I want to support
[3:29:44] city staff any way. I know how
[3:29:47] so be cautious to those people
[3:29:47] that go out here and do what
[3:29:50] they do every day for us.
[3:29:50] Commissioner commissioner
[3:29:54] mascot to talking about
[3:29:55] specifics here. We have to
[3:29:58] trust our staff.
[3:29:59] >> When we direct them reduced
[3:30:00] by 15 positions that they're
[3:30:02] going make the the right
[3:30:05] choice. This is conceptual. I
[3:30:07] don't want to Officers are
[3:30:08] public safety. First tonight,
[3:30:13] Iran on that but the direction
[3:30:17] was can we go further? Staff
[3:30:18] said yes, it would be hard and
[3:30:19] they're going to be positions
[3:30:21] that are filled. Are we
[3:30:24] willing to direct? The city
[3:30:27] manager, the staff? To
[3:30:32] eliminate 15 filled positions.
[3:30:33] You know, I don't want to be
[3:30:36] work or because I you know,
[3:30:37] voted reduce the rent for, you
[3:30:39] know, restaurant here. We've
[3:30:45] got to reduce costs. So you
[3:30:45] know, I we either do this this
[3:30:48] year. We do it next year and
[3:30:49] we have to trust our staff to
[3:30:52] to make the right decisions.
[3:30:53] We appear don't say this
[3:30:54] person, this person, this
[3:30:58] person, that's their job. So I
[3:31:00] just want to say one thing
[3:31:01] before and I the 2 of you want
[3:31:04] to speak. So Vice Mayor Lee.
[3:31:05] >> And Commissioner Rossi and
[3:31:06] I have many years of budget
[3:31:08] experience. Okay. Know that
[3:31:10] others have years as well. But
[3:31:11] Commissioner Rossi had a lot
[3:31:15] of years and really did. And I
[3:31:17] have and have to say this year
[3:31:18] is different for one reason.
[3:31:20] And one reason only. And that
[3:31:23] is debt service. The debt
[3:31:25] service the city is taking on
[3:31:25] is well beyond what we can
[3:31:29] afford. That's my position.
[3:31:29] Its debt service. We shouldn't
[3:31:31] have taken on. We shouldn't
[3:31:33] take it on and we should
[3:31:34] sharpen our pencils and reduce
[3:31:36] the debt service. That's what
[3:31:38] we should be doing. We should
[3:31:40] be looking at reserves, the
[3:31:43] calculated with that. I run a
[3:31:44] business. These gentleman to
[3:31:47] my left front of business. We
[3:31:48] know when we have when we have
[3:31:49] a business, we are very
[3:31:50] careful with our reserves. But
[3:31:52] keep reserves have to be
[3:31:53] balanced and it's not we don't
[3:31:54] need to be over reserved. And
[3:31:58] I know that reserves a
[3:31:59] controversial issue,
[3:32:00] especially in our finance
[3:32:01] department. But when it comes
[3:32:02] to firing people, I'm against
[3:32:07] it. I'm just against I'm
[3:32:09] sorry. I am not going to
[3:32:09] support that. And the reason
[3:32:12] I'm not gonna support it until
[3:32:13] I'm convinced that we can't
[3:32:14] reduce the debt service were
[3:32:14] taking on 4 million dollars of
[3:32:17] debt service. And we're
[3:32:18] talking about trying to reduce
[3:32:21] budget by 1.6 million. You
[3:32:22] know, it's it's frustrating to
[3:32:25] me that we didn't have this
[3:32:26] discussion before we committed
[3:32:27] to 4 million dollars of new
[3:32:29] debt service because this is
[3:32:30] the consequence. So I'm not
[3:32:33] here to blame anybody, but I'm
[3:32:35] just saying from my
[3:32:36] perspective, I'm not convinced
[3:32:36] it's necessary. And that's
[3:32:38] that's just where I'm coming
[3:32:39] from. So and I totally agree
[3:32:43] with what Vice-mayor Lee said
[3:32:44] about police and fire. And
[3:32:44] what commissioner Castillo
[3:32:47] said is absolutely right.
[3:32:47] We're probably understaffed in
[3:32:51] our fire department and and
[3:32:52] our police department, ok? So
[3:32:53] we are we are taking it on the
[3:32:58] chin multiple times, you so to
[3:32:59] speak because we're putting
[3:33:00] ourselves in a really bad
[3:33:03] position. But anyway. For my
[3:33:06] soapbox Commissioner Ross and
[3:33:07] then vice let's put it this
[3:33:07] way. I think all of us appear
[3:33:10] on the guys.
[3:33:11] >> I agree there will be no
[3:33:13] cuts in public service
[3:33:14] department or the police
[3:33:17] department. Okay. We all say
[3:33:20] that they do a great job with
[3:33:23] you on that one. Okay. But I
[3:33:24] really like do with you,
[3:33:27] Brian. And take a sharp pencil
[3:33:33] with Christine. Is how, you
[3:33:33] know, I know how you were
[3:33:36] trained with Mark Finnegan. So
[3:33:38] we just said like to sit down
[3:33:38] and go over some stuff with
[3:33:39] you, Brian, MAY find some
[3:33:42] extra money somewhere? Maybe
[3:33:43] you've got a console data. The
[3:33:44] couple departments or
[3:33:44] something. I don't know the
[3:33:48] answer to that yet. Just come
[3:33:48] back. Appear you guys on the
[3:33:50] guys for the first time in
[3:33:52] years. I kind of step back.
[3:33:56] Let's see take it Back up your
[3:33:56] b#
[3:33:56] #
[3:33:56] #
[3:33:57] . I need to get my grasp
[3:33:59] around the numbers and then we
[3:34:03] can have discussion. Vice
[3:34:07] Mayor Lee, did you no? Anybody
[3:34:13] else? Okay. Next item. But I'm
[3:34:13] Sorry.
[3:34:17] >> MR. Maher, so if I want her
[3:34:18] bradeen, I believe the
[3:34:20] collective what our plan would
[3:34:23] be as a team would to the
[3:34:23] tense. The SEPTEMBER 10th
[3:34:24] budget meeting would be no
[3:34:25] further additional reductions.
[3:34:29] Is it safe to say? We could
[3:34:30] take a poll if you want or
[3:34:32] didn't get any answer. That's
[3:34:32] why I'm a little apologize.
[3:34:34] I'm not trying to do anything
[3:34:37] other than get direction. You
[3:34:42] want a couple Well, why don't
[3:34:43] Should we go down the line and
[3:34:44] give it's a very comfortable
[3:34:45] at that and say yes or no or
[3:34:49] >> or or do you do?
[3:34:50] Commissioner mascot, the
[3:34:51] winning ticket sales start and
[3:34:51] I agree, no additional cuts
[3:34:54] right now. Okay. Commissioner
[3:34:56] Haskell.
[3:34:57] >> I
[3:34:59] >> At a coffee at that if
[3:35:03] there our positions that you.
[3:35:04] In your research, you've
[3:35:08] determined our duplicate it.
[3:35:08] Duplicative. If there's
[3:35:11] unnecessary layers of
[3:35:14] management in a particular
[3:35:16] department, that's the kind of
[3:35:16] cost savings on more
[3:35:19] interested in seeing then
[3:35:22] cutting out, you know, some
[3:35:24] community service employees
[3:35:25] who are doing maintenance city
[3:35:31] streets and sidewalks so I'm
[3:35:31] not asking 15 positions and
[3:35:32] definitely not asking for 15
[3:35:34] positions to be reduced. And I
[3:35:37] think you did a great job in
[3:35:40] bringing forward the draft
[3:35:41] budget at minus rollback. I
[3:35:43] think, right. You brought it
[3:35:43] back at minus. Roll back and
[3:35:46] we adopted at rollback. So and
[3:35:49] I don't think that. I don't
[3:35:50] think we're going to start pan
[3:35:53] on those bonds until the next
[3:35:54] year. Am I right or about
[3:35:57] that? That is correct. Yeah.
[3:35:59] So so next year, you know,
[3:36:01] we'll have a problem on our
[3:36:01] hands, which is kind of like,
[3:36:03] you know what that city
[3:36:05] commission has done for so
[3:36:06] years. Roll back a little bit.
[3:36:08] Well back. We had all this
[3:36:09] deferred maintenance. Then
[3:36:10] we've got to have these big
[3:36:13] capital projects because, you
[3:36:14] know, pass city commissions
[3:36:16] were on a pay as you go basis
[3:36:18] and didn't want to borrow
[3:36:20] money. So I mean, now now
[3:36:20] we're now we're going to
[3:36:21] borrow money, but we're not
[3:36:23] going to pay it back this
[3:36:28] year. You know, next year is
[3:36:32] you know, we might have to do
[3:36:32] some more drastic cuts just
[3:36:35] like the county did last year.
[3:36:38] But I think to cut just for
[3:36:41] cutting sake now, I don't
[3:36:43] think we need to do that.
[3:36:48] Commissioner care. I agree on
[3:36:50] the 15 until you can't
[3:36:54] anymore. I will say you heard
[3:36:55] or you what I said was saying,
[3:36:56] but I agree with commissioner
[3:36:57] has school that and
[3:36:59] >> keep in mind that in years
[3:37:02] past we were talking about
[3:37:04] reducing the total number of
[3:37:06] personnel and having a plan
[3:37:10] for that. Not all at once, but
[3:37:11] over time. So I think that's
[3:37:12] really what you're kind of
[3:37:12] saying, Commissioner Haskell.
[3:37:16] And that's something that in
[3:37:17] the transition over time,
[3:37:18] didn't keep the momentum of
[3:37:19] doing that. But I I really
[3:37:21] appreciate that point. Vice
[3:37:25] Mayor Lee. Staying at
[3:37:29] rollback. I If we think that
[3:37:33] this year's hard just afraid
[3:37:34] that it even went to next
[3:37:36] year's going to be in roof in
[3:37:41] much worse difficult. But
[3:37:48] Commissioner I c I don't want
[3:37:51] to see anybody, but as we see
[3:37:54] it moving forward, some of
[3:37:55] these positions could have
[3:37:59] been micromanage. And Now,
[3:38:02] instead of holding one title.
[3:38:03] For the amount of money we pay
[3:38:07] in. It should be a multi title
[3:38:10] and said it becomes fake. It.
[3:38:12] You know, someone and the
[3:38:14] whatever the case MAY be, you
[3:38:14] know.
[3:38:18] >> Week we can get Yeah.
[3:38:23] >> Thank I agree with their
[3:38:24] 100%. But question or 2 to
[3:38:26] 4 million dollar bond that is
[3:38:30] for the fire station. Its its
[3:38:32] multiple projects, the fire
[3:38:34] Station Fire Station 3 Jose
[3:38:35] Martinez, flood mitigation and
[3:38:35] roads, roads, road
[3:38:36] improvements.
[3:38:39] >> Roads full. So Brian, the
[3:38:42] the finance put? We used to
[3:38:47] put money away. For capital
[3:38:48] projects. Then we had the
[3:38:50] money. We would do the capital
[3:38:52] project and they this isn't
[3:38:55] Prater said near this is one
[3:38:58] of them, I think done good in
[3:39:01] an ace and fire station to
[3:39:02] over there. The to talk master
[3:39:03] building was another one at
[3:39:07] that. Have I agree with
[3:39:08] everybody on the board here.
[3:39:11] Want you to know that. I think
[3:39:11] that we should hold of it.
[3:39:14] What it is. But I'd really
[3:39:15] like to sit down. Look at
[3:39:18] tradition with you and soon if
[3:39:20] there's any way we can seen by
[3:39:21] other departments. But I don't
[3:39:24] want to see anybody their job.
[3:39:24] Okay. That's that's my main
[3:39:28] point. But I think but first
[3:39:28] start on this ties sit down
[3:39:32] with you, Christine and go
[3:39:32] through some of the people
[3:39:34] that are here. Department
[3:39:35] aides remember, used to come
[3:39:39] into the room upstairs and a
[3:39:40] line item by line. And focused
[3:39:42] at sheen. How many telephones
[3:39:44] to love for law allowed says
[3:39:48] there's so much that's there.
[3:39:50] And said would like to sit
[3:39:51] down and, you know, this year
[3:39:52] you did not let the public
[3:39:55] into it, but I can tell you
[3:39:56] next, will go with this one
[3:39:59] this year. But next year wants
[3:40:00] a public input and they should
[3:40:01] be allowed to come into the
[3:40:02] meeting and see what's going
[3:40:06] on in government. Thank you.
[3:40:10] See 100% agree with that.
[3:40:13] Clear vision. But right
[3:40:13] everybody on this let's just
[3:40:16] say where we're at. Then go
[3:40:19] from there. Is that Perfect,
[3:40:20] ok, think the manager got the
[3:40:22] direction that he needs. So if
[3:40:23] we can go to the next and
[3:40:27] thank MADAM Finance, director.
[3:40:27] Next. I think city manager's
[3:40:32] report. Okay. Mayor
[3:40:32] commissioners, thank you for
[3:40:33] this opportunity. So as we
[3:40:35] close out AUGUST senator in
[3:40:36] the final months of the fiscal
[3:40:37] year, want to provide several
[3:40:39] updates on matters. Important
[3:40:39] to the commission, our
[3:40:41] organization and the
[3:40:42] community.
[3:40:42] >> The first great news is
[3:40:45] this is for Port of Key West
[3:40:46] and it relates to the historic
[3:40:48] f stat funding. Some pleased
[3:40:50] to report on the significant
[3:40:51] funding achievement for the
[3:40:53] Port of Key West on AUGUST.
[3:40:55] 27th, the Florida Sea Port
[3:40:56] Transportation Economic
[3:40:59] Development Council have said
[3:41:01] approved 5.2, 7 million
[3:41:03] dollars for the Mallory War
[3:41:05] impair project for fiscal 20
[3:41:09] 27 2028. This is the fussed at
[3:41:13] award ever committed to the
[3:41:15] Port of Key West and more than
[3:41:16] 10 times the city's 10 year
[3:41:17] average annually allocation of
[3:41:21] approximately 520,000. So want
[3:41:23] to recognize Port director
[3:41:24] Steve Mack, a learning and his
[3:41:25] team for their work in
[3:41:25] advancing this request in
[3:41:26] strengthening our relationship
[3:41:29] with the state and the Seaport
[3:41:31] partners secure an outside
[3:41:32] investments remains critical.
[3:41:32] As we address the city's
[3:41:34] long-term infrastructure
[3:41:35] needs. So if you have an
[3:41:37] opportunity to see Steve and
[3:41:39] his team and then also our
[3:41:40] grant writing and our finance
[3:41:42] director just again, we
[3:41:45] continue to break records
[3:41:46] allocations of infrastructure
[3:41:49] funds and appropriations. As
[3:41:50] far as the next update. This
[3:41:53] is the fema flood map appeal.
[3:41:55] So the city continues to
[3:41:57] participate in the coordinated
[3:41:58] appeal of fema's preliminary
[3:42:01] flood insurance rate maps for
[3:42:02] Monroe County. Fema recently
[3:42:04] responded to the 2021 appeal
[3:42:05] and importantly did not deny
[3:42:09] it except at the Monroe County
[3:42:10] specific modeling updates and
[3:42:13] request an additional
[3:42:14] technical documentation. The
[3:42:16] city previously invested
[3:42:17] approximately 131,000 in
[3:42:20] technical and out analysis.
[3:42:21] The next phase will require
[3:42:22] additional 12,000 from Key
[3:42:23] West bringing our total
[3:42:25] investment to approximately
[3:42:27] 144,000 and I have authorize
[3:42:28] staff to continue
[3:42:30] participating, accurate flood
[3:42:33] maps directly effect flood
[3:42:34] zoning designations
[3:42:35] construction requirements,
[3:42:36] property values, insurance
[3:42:38] costs. Our goal remains
[3:42:40] insurance. Fema's final, my
[3:42:42] maps reflect the best and most
[3:42:42] accurate local information
[3:42:45] available. And we want to
[3:42:47] thank the firm's work with
[3:42:47] that. Our team participated in
[3:42:51] a meeting with from as well.
[3:42:52] This is regarding the fiscal
[3:42:56] year 2026. 20's. 27 budget.
[3:42:57] SEPTEMBER will be an important
[3:42:58] month as the commission
[3:42:59] content considers final
[3:43:00] adoption of the fiscal year
[3:43:02] 26. 27 budget and the millage
[3:43:04] rate with public hearing
[3:43:06] scheduled for SEPTEMBER 10th
[3:43:06] in SEPTEMBER. 22nd once again
[3:43:09] that SEPTEMBER 10th and
[3:43:11] SEPTEMBER 22nd, the proposed
[3:43:12] budget represents months of
[3:43:14] work by finance. Our
[3:43:15] director's assistant city
[3:43:16] managers, employees throughout
[3:43:18] the organization. Our team has
[3:43:20] closely reviewed, staffing,
[3:43:22] operational capital, needs
[3:43:23] revenues, expenditures and the
[3:43:24] opportunities for greater
[3:43:27] efficiency. As we move through
[3:43:27] the final hearings proposed
[3:43:29] additional Ys additions and
[3:43:30] service changes should be
[3:43:32] evaluated based on operational
[3:43:34] feasibility staffing
[3:43:34] requirements, recurrent
[3:43:37] financial impacts and
[3:43:38] long-term sustainability
[3:43:39] regarding the transportation
[3:43:40] service planning. Our team has
[3:43:42] spent much of this year
[3:43:43] developing the proposed new
[3:43:44] transit loop evaluating
[3:43:45] options for more reliable,
[3:43:47] sustainable system. Our team
[3:43:47] is also preparing information
[3:43:48] regarding the service
[3:43:51] frequency operating costs
[3:43:51] evening service and other
[3:43:55] options requested by the
[3:43:55] commission. Significant
[3:43:56] changes this close to
[3:43:57] implementation and final
[3:43:59] budget. Adoption require
[3:44:01] careful consideration. Robin
[3:44:03] frequency changes affect
[3:44:03] staffing vehicles, scheduling
[3:44:05] operating cost and recurring
[3:44:07] funding. We will provide the
[3:44:08] commission with the
[3:44:10] information necessary to
[3:44:11] evaluate these options while
[3:44:11] remaining realistic about what
[3:44:12] we can reasonably be
[3:44:13] implemented in the upcoming
[3:44:17] fiscal year. Higgs Beach
[3:44:18] following the city's
[3:44:20] assumption of responsibility
[3:44:21] for hate speech earlier this
[3:44:23] year. A team continues to
[3:44:23] manage the operational
[3:44:24] transition while playing for
[3:44:25] the properties. Long-term
[3:44:26] future at the aforementioned
[3:44:29] hit beach master plan we've
[3:44:31] discussed. So I'll pause on
[3:44:33] that regarding the strategic
[3:44:35] plans. Our strategic plan is
[3:44:36] writing the city's final
[3:44:38] strategic plan will be brought
[3:44:39] forward at the OCTOBER
[3:44:39] commission meeting for
[3:44:42] consideration and approval
[3:44:42] marking the transition from
[3:44:46] planning to implementation.
[3:44:46] The plan Will Connect
[3:44:49] Commission's priorities with
[3:44:49] departmental work plans,
[3:44:50] capital planning, budgeting,
[3:44:52] measurable performance
[3:44:54] indicators and public
[3:44:55] accountability for cause
[3:44:57] remains on infrastructure,
[3:45:01] financial stability, housing,
[3:45:02] climate adaptation and
[3:45:03] Environmental Protection,
[3:45:04] Transportation and Mobility
[3:45:05] and Quality. A municipal
[3:45:09] services. As we transition to
[3:45:09] organizational changes in
[3:45:14] communication. I say AUGUST
[3:45:16] has been a period of
[3:45:16] transition. Our team has
[3:45:17] worked to provide newly
[3:45:19] elected officials with
[3:45:19] orientation, material agenda
[3:45:20] and budget information as well
[3:45:22] as access to our leadership
[3:45:24] team. Our team remains
[3:45:24] committed to working
[3:45:26] collaboratively with every
[3:45:27] member of the commission and
[3:45:28] ensuring each commissioner has
[3:45:29] mission necessary to make
[3:45:31] informed decisions. I am
[3:45:34] pleased to announce that Doug.
[3:45:35] Because the U.S. Posey toe
[3:45:37] will join the city of Key West
[3:45:39] as our new chief building
[3:45:42] official, Doug has more than
[3:45:43] 45 years of experience in
[3:45:44] municipal government.
[3:45:44] Construction contracting
[3:45:46] building operations, code
[3:45:48] compliance and construction
[3:45:49] safety management. He has
[3:45:51] completed his transition from
[3:45:52] Collier County and upon
[3:45:53] joining the city will leave
[3:45:54] the building department
[3:45:55] oversee plan, review
[3:45:57] inspections and department
[3:45:57] operations with an emphasis on
[3:45:59] consistent professional
[3:46:00] service in compliance with
[3:46:02] state and local building
[3:46:03] codes. I'm also pleased to
[3:46:05] announce that Brett now will
[3:46:06] be rejoining the city us as
[3:46:08] our new urban Forestry
[3:46:09] manager, Brett brings more
[3:46:11] than 30 years of experience
[3:46:13] and Arbor culture, Urban
[3:46:14] forestry utility vegetation
[3:46:17] management, safety training
[3:46:19] and operations. He is an I s a
[3:46:21] certified arborist and is how
[3:46:22] leadership positions
[3:46:22] throughout the tree care
[3:46:23] industry with a strong
[3:46:25] background in managing field
[3:46:26] operations, developing teams
[3:46:26] and promoting safe and
[3:46:28] reasonable tree care
[3:46:29] practices. We are excited to
[3:46:30] welcome Brett, back to the
[3:46:33] city and look forward to the
[3:46:34] experience. Leadership and
[3:46:35] practical perspective. He will
[3:46:36] bring to our Urban Forestry
[3:46:40] program in community. Okay.
[3:46:41] Diesel plan an ampitheater
[3:46:43] rfps. The city recently
[3:46:44] completed solicitation process
[3:46:47] related to the diesel plan, an
[3:46:47] ampitheater projects.
[3:46:48] Unfortunately, both rfp is
[3:46:50] close without receiving any
[3:46:52] proposals. While the lack of
[3:46:52] response is disappointing, it
[3:46:54] provides an opportunity for
[3:46:56] staff to reassess the scope
[3:46:56] structure and market
[3:46:58] conditions associated with
[3:46:58] each project before
[3:46:59] determining the appropriate
[3:47:02] path forward. Our team is
[3:47:03] reviewing both solicitations
[3:47:05] and will be bringing
[3:47:05] recommendations to the
[3:47:06] commission at the OCTOBER
[3:47:07] meeting for consideration
[3:47:08] direction. Our goal is to
[3:47:09] ensure that the next steps are
[3:47:11] practical financially
[3:47:13] responsible and position to
[3:47:14] generate meaningful market
[3:47:15] interest will advance in the
[3:47:15] city's long-term objective for
[3:47:18] these important properties.
[3:47:20] And then looking ahead,
[3:47:20] finally out, I want to
[3:47:22] recognize our and our
[3:47:23] teammates the past year has
[3:47:24] required a great deal from
[3:47:27] this organization. Through
[3:47:31] leadership. Debating budgeting
[3:47:32] process. Major infrastructure
[3:47:32] initiatives, Higgs be
[3:47:33] transition grant and
[3:47:34] legislative efforts. Emergency
[3:47:35] preparedness and daily
[3:47:38] responsibilities to provide a
[3:47:39] municipal service. Employees
[3:47:40] have continue to show up and
[3:47:42] serve this community. Much has
[3:47:43] been accomplished over the
[3:47:45] last year and there will be
[3:47:48] more work ahead as we enter
[3:47:49] into new fiscal year. Our
[3:47:50] responsibility remains clear.
[3:47:51] Provide reliable service,
[3:47:52] protect the city's financial
[3:47:53] position. Invest in
[3:47:55] infrastructure, pursue outside
[3:47:56] funding, support our work
[3:47:57] force and remain accountable
[3:48:00] to the residents we serve. So
[3:48:01] once again, thank you for the
[3:48:02] opportunity to serve you and
[3:48:03] how entertaining and answer
[3:48:04] any questions you MAY have
[3:48:05] bring it back to the
[3:48:10] commission. Any questions?
[3:48:11] Commissioner Castillo, I just
[3:48:22] want to say. Job well I don't
[3:48:25] feel like we operating on a
[3:48:26] shoestring. I feel like we
[3:48:30] operate non get in the head.
[3:48:31] >> I think we got this more
[3:48:32] than half of this commission
[3:48:35] real well. We did the business
[3:48:36] that we were supposed to do in
[3:48:39] the report very precise. And I
[3:48:40] want to thank Mary and u n
[3:48:46] right. Commissioner Rusty.
[3:48:47] >> I echo commissioner of
[3:48:51] SEALs comments, but the main
[3:48:52] issue, couple questions. I
[3:48:52] want to prolong this so much.
[3:48:55] But the desal plant. Do we
[3:48:56] have any plans for that?
[3:49:00] What's going to go down there
[3:49:01] all that bricks that bricks
[3:49:02] are valuable and we could get
[3:49:05] figure out a way to reuse them
[3:49:08] or what you know, I won said
[3:49:09] just 3 know I wanted to make
[3:49:12] that a conference center. But
[3:49:14] I think he's too far gone to
[3:49:16] do that. It would made a great
[3:49:17] conference center and
[3:49:22] lucrative put the Bahamian
[3:49:23] experience are everything's
[3:49:24] you out. Got because I it
[3:49:28] would have been good. So what
[3:49:28] we have planned for that and
[3:49:30] then I want move on to the
[3:49:32] ampitheater. Please, MADAM,
[3:49:33] MR. Maher, I don't mind
[3:49:35] echoing that there.
[3:49:36] >> But I don't think the
[3:49:39] community had a voice in the
[3:49:41] rfp. That when now this last
[3:49:43] time around? And think that
[3:49:44] they got a concise is of what
[3:49:50] they want to see there. I know
[3:49:52] we in tight of an area there
[3:49:55] of not only parking, but that
[3:49:58] was supposed to be out
[3:49:58] commercial corridor for,
[3:50:02] though, for the village if you
[3:50:04] just been sitting idle, I
[3:50:06] don't. And I think with this
[3:50:07] new direction we go in the
[3:50:10] cra. I'm almost certainly
[3:50:10] going to come up with
[3:50:13] something that's going to be
[3:50:14] comparable to what the
[3:50:17] community needs are. And and
[3:50:19] some precedents with their
[3:50:23] history of how all that. Space
[3:50:25] you're in maybe took on that.
[3:50:25] Maybe that's what it would
[3:50:28] need to take. But I think with
[3:50:29] this commission here, we're
[3:50:31] going to be able to make
[3:50:34] something happen. Thank City
[3:50:35] manager again trying the best
[3:50:40] you can to get what we need
[3:50:41] done But I think we've got
[3:50:45] spate operation now know. A
[3:50:46] direction we go in and we
[3:50:47] going to be able to come up
[3:50:49] with something getting back to
[3:50:50] Commissioner Ross these
[3:50:52] questions, I think, MR. Maher,
[3:50:55] so I'm sorry, commissioner is.
[3:50:56] >> Yeah. Answer that. Want to
[3:50:59] you want me to wait? Well,
[3:50:59] good news or air. And then
[3:51:00] look, why would do it? I'm not
[3:51:01] gonna answer. It was going to
[3:51:03] answer your question. Any
[3:51:06] thought being given to what?
[3:51:08] >> You know, the the desal
[3:51:09] plant is shot. I went down
[3:51:10] there. Look that I don't think
[3:51:11] you really do anything. It's
[3:51:15] too bad. But
[3:51:16] >> is there anything being
[3:51:18] given to the film? Don't think
[3:51:18] stupid those Berkshire worth a
[3:51:21] lot of my.
[3:51:22] >> I don't know that we should
[3:51:23] maybe look at that. Whoever we
[3:51:28] contract it tear down. And
[3:51:29] then you can you give us
[3:51:30] report on campus either.
[3:51:33] That's the you know, should be
[3:51:34] a moneymaker for it's it's
[3:51:38] there's nothing going on. So
[3:51:41] with what got going for that.
[3:51:42] >> MR. Maher see if you think
[3:51:46] so. Let me first start with
[3:51:47] the diesel plan and then
[3:51:50] transition to the ampitheater.
[3:51:52] Our team brought a
[3:51:53] recommendation after
[3:51:54] consideration of an assessment
[3:51:55] for the diesel plant about
[3:51:57] putting a roof on there and
[3:51:59] restore it. So we we had a
[3:51:59] grant. We went through this
[3:52:01] process. It was determined
[3:52:02] that the structure could not
[3:52:05] support the cat 5 or required.
[3:52:06] So then our team brought in a
[3:52:07] recommendation to demo in
[3:52:10] white box of location. That
[3:52:11] was paused and we were
[3:52:13] instructed to try one more
[3:52:15] opportunity through an rfp
[3:52:16] process or a p 3 process to
[3:52:19] bring in a partner. We have
[3:52:20] concluded that so our plan
[3:52:22] would be to revert back to the
[3:52:24] original plan, which is we
[3:52:26] believe that we need to white
[3:52:27] box that location and then
[3:52:29] work with potential partners
[3:52:30] moving forward. Now what we do
[3:52:30] with the engines and the
[3:52:32] bricks and things of that
[3:52:34] nature, those all could be
[3:52:36] baked into our path forward.
[3:52:39] But I I would recommend in
[3:52:43] OCTOBER anticipate action item
[3:52:43] regarding demo because if we
[3:52:44] choose to do nothing, what
[3:52:47] we're really doing is about So
[3:52:48] we would like to do something
[3:52:51] ok? So that answers the desal
[3:52:52] plant doesn't a serious are
[3:52:53] the bricks and the engines. We
[3:52:57] could have a plan for those as
[3:52:58] it pertains of Ampitheater. We
[3:53:00] had a transition point. Rams
[3:53:01] said was the existing
[3:53:01] contractor that was running
[3:53:02] the ampitheater for the city
[3:53:07] and they have accident that.
[3:53:10] So instead taking over the
[3:53:11] running of the ampitheater, we
[3:53:14] actually went out for an rfp,
[3:53:15] but that also did not provide
[3:53:18] any solicitation answers. So
[3:53:18] right now our recommendation
[3:53:19] would be the city. Take it
[3:53:22] over. And we could continue to
[3:53:25] work on what we're doing
[3:53:26] regarding capital improvement
[3:53:28] projects there. As you all
[3:53:31] tell us. But the plan would be
[3:53:31] for the city take control of
[3:53:32] the management of the
[3:53:36] Ampitheater.
[3:53:40] >> Ok, Trust But should give
[3:53:42] me an answer that know. But
[3:53:44] Leno's and we all know. All
[3:53:47] right. MR. Maher, turn back to
[3:53:48] you, ok? Vice Mayor thank you,
[3:53:51] MR. Mayor. I was going to talk
[3:53:57] about the ampitheater and the
[3:53:57] lack of response that we got
[3:53:58] for the impetus eater. And I
[3:54:01] think part of the reason I
[3:54:02] think part of the reason we
[3:54:05] didn't get any responses
[3:54:08] because of the infrastructure.
[3:54:09] Improvements that are
[3:54:12] necessary. And I just I know
[3:54:14] we spoken. Brian, we spoken
[3:54:21] about it in there is no money
[3:54:23] in the proposed budget over
[3:54:26] the last time I saw anyway. 4
[3:54:27] improvements there. And I know
[3:54:31] I'm I'm just hoping that
[3:54:31] somehow some way, whether it's
[3:54:32] our money or grant money or
[3:54:35] whoever tdc money. There has
[3:54:36] to be, in my opinion, we have
[3:54:40] to invest money there in order
[3:54:41] for that to end up being
[3:54:44] successful and make money for
[3:54:45] I not saying you don't agree.
[3:54:47] I think you agree. So I'm just
[3:54:51] not sure. The commission, I
[3:54:52] guess we have to tell. We have
[3:54:57] to. Known to majority anywhere
[3:55:00] guessed that we need to put.
[3:55:03] In in there. For to be
[3:55:06] successful. To want someone to
[3:55:12] come in and operating. MR.
[3:55:13] Maher commissioner or I'm
[3:55:16] sorry, MR. Vice Mayor don't
[3:55:17] disagree. I believe we've
[3:55:17] entrusted with our strategic
[3:55:20] plan inside that strategic
[3:55:21] plan and inside our budget is
[3:55:25] our cip 5 year plan. You have
[3:55:26] every ability as a commission
[3:55:27] to say we're at that and make
[3:55:30] that a priority right now.
[3:55:32] That's not what we received.
[3:55:34] So until we receive that
[3:55:35] direction, we're going to
[3:55:35] pursue with what we believe
[3:55:36] are the most significant
[3:55:38] projects. That's why we have
[3:55:38] the full.
[3:55:40] >> Five-year cip plan. So
[3:55:41] again, our team is ready,
[3:55:43] willing able to support
[3:55:52] direction upon receiving it.
[3:55:52] >> Commissioner Haskell yet
[3:55:55] question on the report.
[3:55:55] Please. Un un asked that we
[3:55:56] have a new chief building
[3:55:58] official which is great. I
[3:56:02] think in your last report, you
[3:56:04] mention that we were starting
[3:56:05] to do virtual inspections.
[3:56:08] How's that going? MR. Vice
[3:56:10] Mayor Commissioner Haskell,
[3:56:11] thank you again for the
[3:56:13] question. What we're doing is
[3:56:14] we're entertaining the
[3:56:16] policies and platforms
[3:56:17] required.
[3:56:19] >> To bring forward the
[3:56:21] possibility of doing virtual
[3:56:21] specs and also not really
[3:56:24] doing yet. Not rate you that
[3:56:26] but wanted to make sure that
[3:56:27] we're excited about the
[3:56:28] possibility of doing it. We've
[3:56:29] actually of partnered with
[3:56:30] some of the cities that
[3:56:32] actually incorporate that
[3:56:34] right now. We believe that
[3:56:35] it's in the best interest to
[3:56:39] have the new cbo land evaluate
[3:56:41] that and then see how we could
[3:56:42] bake that into our current
[3:56:44] processes. But I believe
[3:56:46] you'll wake up in a future in
[3:56:47] which that is going to be
[3:56:48] possible. We just need to have
[3:56:48] some fun to for that
[3:56:52] clarification ma'am. It looks
[3:56:55] like the next item. MADAM
[3:56:56] Clerk, full.
[3:56:57] >> Excuse me, MISTER Mayor.
[3:57:00] Commissioner us had to Brian's
[3:57:01] thing. We attended workshop
[3:57:04] here yesterday morning. And it
[3:57:05] was a very important thing
[3:57:05] that came out of that
[3:57:09] workshop. Food public. The
[3:57:11] contractor can get their own
[3:57:13] apartments and do their own
[3:57:16] inspections. Major change
[3:57:19] private make bride the
[3:57:20] inspection. That's a major
[3:57:21] change in what's going on in
[3:57:26] the building department. Just
[3:57:27] so, you know that take the
[3:57:29] tests become private provider,
[3:57:30] even if you're the contractor,
[3:57:32] you can do it. Is that what I
[3:57:38] heard?
[3:57:38] >> Yeah. Fact that the House
[3:57:39] bill that makes all the major
[3:57:40] changes with regard to the
[3:57:42] building department, you know,
[3:57:43] be good for the commission to
[3:57:45] have a presentation with
[3:57:46] respect to all of the time
[3:57:48] frame changes for permitting
[3:57:51] for, you know, there's some
[3:57:52] major changes changes
[3:57:52] happening in the law for the
[3:57:54] building department. So I
[3:57:56] think it be great if we had a
[3:57:56] the presentation, an upcoming
[3:58:05] meeting. Great. Bravo to hire
[3:58:05] new chief killed an officer.
[3:58:07] It seems like he's going to be
[3:58:08] >> Nasa our communities. Hats
[3:58:11] off to you. But really that
[3:58:13] was the most And it really
[3:58:16] shocked when I heard that
[3:58:16] yesterday.
[3:58:17] >> There's a lot of lot of new
[3:58:19] laws and in the Okay. MADAM
[3:58:25] Clerk, City Attorney's report.
[3:58:26] >> Good afternoon, MISTER
[3:58:29] Mayor and commissioners. Post.
[3:58:31] We did put us with the agenda,
[3:58:33] the breakdown of the expenses
[3:58:34] of the city attorney's office
[3:58:37] for outside counsel. The total
[3:58:41] amount for the
[3:58:42] >> before the month of
[3:58:45] SEPTEMBER, so most likely for
[3:58:48] the month of AUGUST 30,009. 24
[3:58:53] breaks down again. Why Cerota?
[3:58:54] $12,350 that some outside
[3:58:58] labor counsel that we utilize
[3:59:00] downs her bill $12,474.
[3:59:03] Johnson and slow outside
[3:59:05] counsel that we do have for
[3:59:06] litigation. Most of this is
[3:59:07] normally paid through our
[3:59:09] insurance fund insurance does
[3:59:10] not cover this specific matter
[3:59:14] because of allegations that
[3:59:14] are alleged in the complaint.
[3:59:15] So they don't cover us on that
[3:59:18] one. That's $3,550. And then
[3:59:22] the state of Florida handles
[3:59:24] right now are any of cases. So
[3:59:28] for them, that's $2,550 as you
[3:59:30] all are where we are holding a
[3:59:32] closed session on a specific
[3:59:33] litigation case. It was
[3:59:35] supposed to be on SEPTEMBER
[3:59:37] 23rd due to some noticing
[3:59:38] issues. We have to hold that
[3:59:39] on SEPTEMBER 22nd 2026. I will
[3:59:41] just announced that now as a
[3:59:45] requirement. Notice of closed
[3:59:46] attorney client session of the
[3:59:48] city of Key West City
[3:59:49] Commission. Pursuant to
[3:59:51] Florida Statutes section 2.
[3:59:54] 86.0 1, one, subsection 8. The
[3:59:55] key West City Commission will
[3:59:56] hold a closed attorney client
[3:59:58] session commencing at one 45
[4:00:01] pm on Tuesday, SEPTEMBER 22nd
[4:00:02] 2026. At City Hall second
[4:00:06] floor conference room located
[4:00:07] at 1300 White Street, key
[4:00:09] West, Florida, 3, 3, 0, 4, 0,
[4:00:11] The purpose of the session is
[4:00:12] to discuss litigations styled
[4:00:15] Nicole Stone at all for city
[4:00:20] of q s case number 2026. Cb,
[4:00:22] 1, 0, 0, 4, 0, Martinez. The
[4:00:23] meeting shall be confined to
[4:00:25] settlement negotiations and
[4:00:25] strategy. Discussions. The
[4:00:26] only person is permitted to
[4:00:27] attend the closed session. Our
[4:00:29] members of the City Commission
[4:00:31] city manager Bryan Burrough.
[4:00:33] So city and downs chief
[4:00:36] Assistant city attorney
[4:00:37] Kendall Harden, Hudson, Gill
[4:00:39] Esquire and a court reporter.
[4:00:39] And that's all we have. Thank
[4:00:43] you. Bringing it back to the
[4:00:43] commission. Me questions,
[4:00:46] comments anything actually MR.
[4:00:49] Maher, my apologies. Just a
[4:00:50] keep everyone updated rules to
[4:00:56] believe it was 2 weeks ago the
[4:00:57] county attorney Bob shoulder
[4:00:58] that all attorneys together
[4:00:59] throughout the throughout
[4:01:01] Monroe County to start
[4:01:02] discussions regarding
[4:01:03] potential ordinances that
[4:01:04] everyone wants to see
[4:01:08] regarding e-bikes there was a
[4:01:08] representative of Weiser wrote
[4:01:10] a there that did discuss a lot
[4:01:11] of their research. They have
[4:01:14] done. I will say some of it
[4:01:15] seemed a little disappointing
[4:01:15] on things that we couldn't
[4:01:18] force as a municipality. We
[4:01:22] are regrouping again. Next
[4:01:24] Thursday at 04:00pm to start
[4:01:25] discussing a little more of
[4:01:26] what we can do and how he'd
[4:01:27] like to see. But I just want
[4:01:29] to keep you updated on that.
[4:01:30] >> Funny you mention that.
[4:01:30] That's my one item to talk
[4:01:32] about under City Attorney
[4:01:36] report. I was wondering if I
[4:01:38] smear lead might be interested
[4:01:38] in taking this on. I know you
[4:01:39] are very interested in the
[4:01:44] e-bike. Situation and I don't
[4:01:44] I think it be good if we had a
[4:01:45] point person on the
[4:01:50] commission. That help along
[4:01:52] the e-bike ordinance
[4:01:53] particularly with the law
[4:01:54] enforcement background. I
[4:01:56] would really appreciate advice
[4:01:59] merely if you would take take
[4:02:00] ownership of this because as
[4:02:01] long he takes an e-bike to the
[4:02:03] media that's going how and I
[4:02:05] will give a lot of the warning
[4:02:10] tonight. But it's very it's
[4:02:11] very interesting that the that
[4:02:12] the city of marathon and the
[4:02:13] county and the city are all
[4:02:15] looking at simultaneously and
[4:02:16] hopefully coming up with some
[4:02:17] really good new thing. So,
[4:02:18] yeah, okay. Anything else in
[4:02:21] Oak Commissioner Haskell? Yes,
[4:02:22] thank you.
[4:02:24] >> I commissioner comments. I
[4:02:25] would like to say that I am
[4:02:30] concerned about the potential
[4:02:35] use we use and sale.
[4:02:37] >> Of our personal data. Our
[4:02:38] meeting, everyone living in or
[4:02:42] visiting in the city of Key
[4:02:45] West. The data that would be
[4:02:47] collected by automatic license
[4:02:50] plate readers and by other
[4:02:52] technologies. I was prompted
[4:02:54] to look into this after
[4:02:58] receiving. Think 35 or more by
[4:02:59] now. Emails and the other
[4:03:01] members of the commission have
[4:03:03] maybe also received receive
[4:03:06] those emails. So did some
[4:03:10] research. It's not an area
[4:03:10] that I have had a great deal
[4:03:14] of familiarity with, but I
[4:03:15] spoke to a number of people
[4:03:16] who are a lot smarter than I
[4:03:21] am on this topic, including an
[4:03:23] attorney who is familiar with
[4:03:25] the National application and
[4:03:26] push backs of this kind of
[4:03:31] data collection and and
[4:03:32] individual who works with such
[4:03:36] type of surveillance equipment
[4:03:37] in a high-level security
[4:03:40] clearance kind of situation.
[4:03:43] And so apparently the
[4:03:44] companies that we're
[4:03:47] contracting Axon is the name
[4:03:51] of one. Another one is flock
[4:03:51] there. But their business
[4:03:53] model involves collecting data
[4:03:56] and then aggregating that data
[4:03:57] and reselling it to 3rd
[4:04:01] parties I don't want to see
[4:04:03] that happen here. We did
[4:04:07] purchase a system in NOVEMBER
[4:04:09] of 2025. And the chief knows
[4:04:14] I've asked about it and at the
[4:04:17] moment that we've had an
[4:04:19] exchange e-mail exchange. And
[4:04:20] I've also just sent the email
[4:04:23] to the attorneys here. So it's
[4:04:24] been suggested that we pass
[4:04:26] some kind of an ordinance that
[4:04:30] would prohibit that sale or
[4:04:32] are we use of our personal
[4:04:38] data now? So that might be
[4:04:39] coming forward. I what I I I
[4:04:39] want to make sure that
[4:04:42] something like that would be
[4:04:44] effective. I want to make sure
[4:04:47] that that we have confidence
[4:04:49] that the data that is being
[4:04:54] collected is stored within a
[4:04:55] secure cloud-based
[4:04:58] environment. That's restricted
[4:04:58] to police department. Key West
[4:04:59] Police Department used because
[4:05:01] I know automatic license plate
[4:05:02] readers. It's beneficial, you
[4:05:05] know, to police police work.
[4:05:09] But once it goes beyond that,
[4:05:10] I want to make sure that what
[4:05:13] we bought because it was a 15
[4:05:15] page in voice of the different
[4:05:16] items of equipment that the
[4:05:16] police department bought,
[4:05:19] including body cameras, mostly
[4:05:23] and patrol upgrades. So since
[4:05:27] we're buying it from a company
[4:05:29] makes money by collecting and
[4:05:31] reselling data. How do we know
[4:05:33] that? That's not going to
[4:05:34] happen to our data. So that's
[4:05:34] I wanted to bring that
[4:05:38] forward. MAY have had other
[4:05:40] conversations. Yes, just like,
[4:05:41] you know, I've also I've also
[4:05:42] asked the city attorney's
[4:05:44] office to begin work on an
[4:05:45] ordinance.
[4:05:46] >> With that with at the same
[4:05:49] time, respecting the
[4:05:51] reasonable and important law
[4:05:53] enforcement needs for the for
[4:05:56] the technology. We don't want
[4:05:57] interfere with our police
[4:05:57] department in those legitimate
[4:06:03] uses. Of course. I like the
[4:06:05] fact that multiple
[4:06:06] commissioners also members of
[4:06:07] this commission of spoken with
[4:06:08] the legal department, asking
[4:06:09] them to begin work on this. So
[4:06:12] that's good. I saw the chief
[4:06:13] woke up. Did you want to say
[4:06:20] anything she forever? Mr.
[4:06:20] Maher, thank you. I did want
[4:06:21] to say something after your
[4:06:22] e-mails. I did reach out to
[4:06:26] Axon. So to set the record
[4:06:27] straight and they sent me a
[4:06:28] bunch of stuff. But you're
[4:06:31] talking about what tax on what
[4:06:32] you think acts on does do so.
[4:06:33] I'm gonna tell you what acts
[4:06:36] on does not do does not use
[4:06:37] facial recognition of perform
[4:06:40] live registered owner Lookups
[4:06:42] does not place agency alpr
[4:06:44] data into a national or pool
[4:06:47] database does not sure agency
[4:06:49] lpr down to automatically or
[4:06:51] by people does not allow
[4:06:51] agencies that receive share
[4:06:55] data to reassure it does not
[4:06:58] provide federal agencies
[4:06:58] automatic standing or build in
[4:07:00] access to agency alpr data
[4:07:01] through acts on does not
[4:07:06] automatic. Bottom 8
[4:07:07] enforcement, every alert
[4:07:08] requires the office or a human
[4:07:10] to review it before we take
[4:07:13] action does not allow acts on
[4:07:14] the pool resell or disclose
[4:07:18] agency alpr doubt it except
[4:07:19] where legally required which
[4:07:21] would be a subpoena from the
[4:07:22] courts, right, the data that
[4:07:25] we have there is part of a
[4:07:25] court case, the courts can
[4:07:29] subpoena that data and it does
[4:07:31] not continuously monitor
[4:07:31] individuals or maintain a
[4:07:33] real-time location feed on in
[4:07:34] the person. So those are some
[4:07:36] of the things that it does not
[4:07:37] do. But I am glad that you
[4:07:42] brought it up because there's
[4:07:43] There's only 18 things that
[4:07:45] are lpr is actually look for.
[4:07:48] That. But there are 74 more
[4:07:52] that we could do. And 2 of
[4:07:54] them, I thought we were doing
[4:07:55] so I am going to increase the
[4:07:59] 18 to 20 because when when
[4:08:01] there's a silver alert for
[4:08:03] commissioner Castillo. I want
[4:08:04] I wanted to I wanted to
[4:08:07] automatically notify the
[4:08:09] officers that we've passed
[4:08:09] somebody with a silver alert.
[4:08:10] So silver alerts are currently
[4:08:13] on the list, that
[4:08:13] automatically notify the
[4:08:15] officers. But I'm going to add
[4:08:18] that and also kidnapping
[4:08:19] cases. Feel that it's
[4:08:20] important that if our cars
[4:08:22] pass a car of unknown
[4:08:24] kidnapper that alert the
[4:08:25] officers to the fact that
[4:08:25] we've just passed somebody as
[4:08:26] dangerous as that in our
[4:08:28] community.
[4:08:31] >> chief, I appreciate that
[4:08:32] because part of the issue is
[4:08:33] public not having the
[4:08:35] information and not knowing
[4:08:37] what we are doing, what we
[4:08:37] have the capacity to do, what
[4:08:39] we don't have the capacity do.
[4:08:41] So it's very helpful for you
[4:08:42] come up here give us that
[4:08:45] information. But at the same
[4:08:45] time, I think it is also being
[4:08:47] responsive to the community
[4:08:48] and our obligation to even
[4:08:51] look at the ordinance options
[4:08:54] for future uses. This
[4:08:57] technology is so rapidly
[4:08:58] increasing in its in its
[4:08:59] availability. And who knows
[4:09:01] what the next mechanism will
[4:09:02] be after this. You know, so we
[4:09:03] need to be cut sort of ahead
[4:09:05] of of this. And I really
[4:09:05] appreciate Commissioner
[4:09:06] Commissioner Haskell for
[4:09:06] bringing it up. You want to
[4:09:11] see something else. Yes. I do.
[4:09:11] Thank you.
[4:09:15] >> Could you go back? As a
[4:09:16] follow-up? I heard you say
[4:09:20] that Axon does not share
[4:09:24] information automatically or
[4:09:25] by default, ok? So does that
[4:09:28] mean they do share by some
[4:09:30] kind of requests and what kind
[4:09:33] of but Quest would that be?
[4:09:34] Under what circumstances might
[4:09:37] information be shared?
[4:09:41] >> So these sites only under
[4:09:41] subpoena all of our data is
[4:09:43] stored in a manner that is
[4:09:44] compliant with see, just so if
[4:09:46] you don't have your seat just
[4:09:47] certification, you can see our
[4:09:48] data. So not none of you could
[4:09:50] even see our data. We've had
[4:09:52] situations where we've had
[4:09:55] problems with the system or
[4:09:58] needed some beyond our
[4:10:00] expertise are beyond our
[4:10:01] abilities. We literally have
[4:10:03] to give backs on permission
[4:10:05] while we're on with them to
[4:10:06] get in to our data, to help
[4:10:10] us. With our data fix what the
[4:10:14] situation we're dealing with.
[4:10:15] So not even can get into our
[4:10:16] data without us being online
[4:10:17] with them at the time and
[4:10:23] allowing meant. But it is
[4:10:24] routine. I believe I should
[4:10:26] ask this as a question. Is it
[4:10:27] routine to share this data
[4:10:28] with other law enforcement
[4:10:28] agencies?
[4:10:30] >> No meant.
[4:10:32] >> No, ma'am. We we work
[4:10:36] through an agreement because
[4:10:37] all the all of its run through
[4:10:42] one central. Location. And we
[4:10:43] have you that said you. We
[4:10:46] have allows us to run the the
[4:10:47] data just through their
[4:10:48] computer system. But it all
[4:10:50] go. It's all in our system.
[4:10:54] It's all restricted to us.
[4:10:55] >> But let's say your kitchen,
[4:10:56] somebody going through a red
[4:11:00] light who has a license tag
[4:11:02] from Kentucky like you don't
[4:11:02] have the city of Key West
[4:11:03] Police Department doesn't have
[4:11:07] a database of Kentucky
[4:11:08] license. Know it rate right
[4:11:09] here it all through it. See, I
[4:11:10] see in afternoon. See, I see
[4:11:11] absolutely. It runs it through
[4:11:12] the system and that's that's
[4:11:13] where the the
[4:11:17] >> the officers visual
[4:11:18] confirmation of whatever says
[4:11:19] because if you have Florida
[4:11:21] license plate, 1, 2, 3, 4, and
[4:11:22] Kentucky license plate. 1, 2,
[4:11:24] 3, 4, goes in front of you and
[4:11:26] it comes up and says, hey,
[4:11:27] it's a you know, it's a
[4:11:28] suspended or expired license
[4:11:34] plate but it's Kentucky. And
[4:11:36] you look in the person or and
[4:11:37] the lure. The alert is for a
[4:11:39] Florida tag, you have to
[4:11:39] visually confirm that's the
[4:11:41] right state. It's a right
[4:11:42] number. And what it's telling
[4:11:47] you is accurate.
[4:11:48] >> Well, thank you. You're
[4:11:49] continuing your contributing
[4:11:51] to my continuing education on
[4:11:53] the topic. And I'm I'm going
[4:11:53] to, you know, continue to
[4:11:55] learn more. Thank you.
[4:11:55] >> And that's just the in-car
[4:11:59] camera. So the body cams.
[4:12:03] Don't don't do Anything else
[4:12:05] on attorney MR. On known that
[4:12:07] we were. You got to have that.
[4:12:07] That's perfectly ok, it was
[4:12:10] legally related. So it's good
[4:12:12] >> anything else that attorney
[4:12:14] report? Well, you because we
[4:12:16] have order the agenda. But it
[4:12:19] is out on the agenda or we're
[4:12:20] going to have commission
[4:12:24] comments soon. So if that's
[4:12:24] because yeah, I was going to
[4:12:25] start my mistake. Was want
[4:12:28] agree with her. About this
[4:12:30] particular subject? Yeah, ok,
[4:12:30] go ahead. You like a lot of
[4:12:31] you on that. And then they
[4:12:38] did. By messages on the system
[4:12:39] about this spying. Did you
[4:12:41] sign a contract with a
[4:12:42] company? And they're they're
[4:12:43] collecting data and
[4:12:46] everything. This is what's on
[4:12:47] all the Internet or all the
[4:12:49] messages. Get all my system.
[4:12:53] 12 min ago, Hunter. MR. Met
[4:12:56] say I don't know what you're
[4:12:56] referring to, but if it's on
[4:12:59] the Internet, it must be true.
[4:13:01] Not even I'm saying it's our
[4:13:05] system, but I want I want to
[4:13:08] tell you something up front
[4:13:08] fashion. I don't want anybody
[4:13:11] track to me. I don't want
[4:13:13] anybody. I don't want that.
[4:13:14] And then all the letters and a
[4:13:17] guy, this is a big problem.
[4:13:20] Trust It's going to bigger.
[4:13:20] Our our legal department is
[4:13:22] working on it. So that's the
[4:13:23] really is if there's an issue
[4:13:25] with emails, I would suggest
[4:13:27] we, you know, have our it
[4:13:28] department. Look at your, you
[4:13:28] know your e-mail. But I didn't
[4:13:32] receive those emails. Show,
[4:13:32] you know, I know. I believe
[4:13:33] you have to say it's not
[4:13:34] everyone that's receiving him
[4:13:35] maybe there's an issue with
[4:13:36] that. We have some blocking
[4:13:40] mechanism in our e-mails. Also
[4:13:44] But but there is a social
[4:13:45] media pushing on issue that
[4:13:46] are nationally so he MAY have
[4:13:49] gotten into that.
[4:13:51] >> And and there is a lot of
[4:13:52] misinformation that's being
[4:13:54] spread around that. But that
[4:13:55] doesn't change the fact that
[4:13:56] we want to put barriers and
[4:13:58] precautions in place. Weather
[4:13:59] won't be as people are saying
[4:14:01] is true or not. We can look at
[4:14:06] ways to ensure just as the
[4:14:07] chief you have very tight
[4:14:09] controls on that data right
[4:14:10] now. I can't go see it,
[4:14:13] correct. You can't go see it.
[4:14:14] So but what we can put those
[4:14:17] protections in place, whether
[4:14:18] the information the social
[4:14:21] media is telling news true or
[4:14:24] not, we we will put that
[4:14:25] information together. Come
[4:14:27] back to you with any
[4:14:29] recommendations we need to
[4:14:30] ensure protection. And I'm
[4:14:31] very happy for Commissioner
[4:14:35] Haskell to take over an to
[4:14:36] sponsor the ordinance change
[4:14:36] so her friends. In addition,
[4:14:43] think the amount thank you,
[4:14:44] Commissioner Haskell military
[4:14:45] use its authority has listed
[4:14:45] the Vice Mayor Lee were still
[4:14:47] in attorney report.
[4:14:49] >> But it's in regards license
[4:14:50] plate readers. And that I'd be
[4:14:52] remiss if I didn't say.
[4:14:54] Tracking people in all this. I
[4:14:57] believe that. Anyone up here
[4:15:01] in the public, if they were. A
[4:15:05] victim of a violent crime or
[4:15:06] serious crime that they would
[4:15:07] want law enforcement to use
[4:15:10] any tool. That we have at our
[4:15:13] disposal. To be able to track
[4:15:16] that offender down with the
[4:15:20] license plate reader does. It
[4:15:21] tells you a call this a car
[4:15:22] with this tag in this color in
[4:15:25] this model. This location at
[4:15:27] this particular time. That's
[4:15:31] it. It didn't say the person
[4:15:32] in there the cut because it's
[4:15:32] not it's not reading. It's not
[4:15:35] picking up on personally. It's
[4:15:36] telling you that this car
[4:15:38] passed this location with this
[4:15:39] tag, this color at this
[4:15:40] particular time. Let me tell
[4:15:41] you from personal experience,
[4:15:46] those. License plate readers
[4:15:47] and that information that we
[4:15:51] have have helped us up
[4:15:53] homicides and all kinds of
[4:15:55] crimes. And unfortunately,
[4:15:56] what I believes happened here,
[4:15:58] there's a few bad actors with
[4:16:01] a law enforcement who have
[4:16:03] abused that information. Yes,
[4:16:04] and kind of created this
[4:16:05] situation that we have today.
[4:16:08] And it's unfortunate that
[4:16:10] >> the governor and whoever
[4:16:11] now remove them from the right
[4:16:14] of ways of of of the highways
[4:16:15] and stuff. I just think
[4:16:16] approach is wrong. What we
[4:16:19] should do is set up safeguards
[4:16:21] to make sure that, you know,
[4:16:24] indiscipline in it in those
[4:16:24] people, the bad actors and
[4:16:28] send examples to him. But just
[4:16:29] arbitrarily say that they're
[4:16:32] they're tracking us.
[4:16:34] >> And they're bad and they're
[4:16:35] invading our privacy. And all
[4:16:35] that stuff is just not the
[4:16:38] case.
[4:16:39] >> I agree with you. Vice
[4:16:40] Mayor Lea 100% and that's why
[4:16:42] that's the direction I've I've
[4:16:44] given to the legal department.
[4:16:44] But thankfully, Commissioner
[4:16:46] Haskell's taking it over and
[4:16:47] will move forward with her
[4:16:48] sponsorship of that ordinance.
[4:16:49] That's good. Ok? Can we on to
[4:16:52] the next item city clerk's
[4:16:52] report? I just want to make
[4:16:55] mention of all the other
[4:16:56] meetings we have on the 22nd
[4:16:57] and make sure we're all on
[4:17:00] water. I know Commissioner
[4:17:01] Haskell is not going to be
[4:17:03] able to attend on the 22nd at
[4:17:05] all. We definitely do need to
[4:17:05] have the budget hearing on
[4:17:07] that date. That's not movable.
[4:17:10] And then we have the attorney
[4:17:10] closed session at one. 45 and
[4:17:11] the special meeting at 03:00pm
[4:17:14] to discuss sarcasm. Thing we
[4:17:16] need is again, the 22nd on
[4:17:21] DECEMBER. 22, it's a yes, the
[4:17:21] 22nd Wednesday that sorry,
[4:17:22] Tuesday, the 22nd of
[4:17:24] SEPTEMBER. We're having the
[4:17:25] closed attorney session with
[4:17:31] that. One. 45 pm. The special
[4:17:35] meeting at 3 o'clock. And then
[4:17:36] our second budget hearing at
[4:17:43] 05:00:05pm. Commissioner
[4:17:44] Haskell. Were you making of a
[4:17:45] requester of some sort that we
[4:17:49] could talk about? Regarding
[4:17:52] the city clerk's report. Yet
[4:17:53] the time of the meetings
[4:17:56] because well, I
[4:17:57] >> and it's I told Carrie, it
[4:18:00] was like terrible for me. I
[4:18:05] didn't say I could not the but
[4:18:08] I said I would really prefer
[4:18:08] the meetings bn 2 different
[4:18:12] days instead of, you know, but
[4:18:15] well, it what it is. We can
[4:18:16] You know, I'll definitely be
[4:18:18] here for the budget meeting
[4:18:19] and I am trying to rearrange
[4:18:22] my schedule to make the other
[4:18:23] meetings.
[4:18:24] >> Well, the organism special
[4:18:25] meeting is really important,
[4:18:28] but it will be recorded. So
[4:18:28] comes to worst. We're not
[4:18:29] taking So it's just it's it's
[4:18:33] a special meeting. Workshop.
[4:18:34] Okay. Anything else medically
[4:18:37] now? Okay. Next slide
[4:18:39] commissioner comments. I'm
[4:18:40] sorry, citizen comments. We
[4:18:40] have Leon Moyer and then
[4:18:49] Margaret Romero.
[4:18:50] >> Good afternoon, MR. Mayor
[4:18:51] Commissioners, staff and
[4:18:53] visitors Leon Moyer and I want
[4:18:54] to Segue to something you've
[4:18:58] been discussing here. You have
[4:19:00] the impression that the police
[4:19:00] and law enforcement are here
[4:19:03] to save us and keep us safe. I
[4:19:04] want to direct your attention
[4:19:07] to the town of Castle. Rock
[4:19:08] were says Gonzalez also
[4:19:13] sometimes just called Gonzales
[4:19:13] case because that will clear
[4:19:14] the United States Supreme
[4:19:16] Court misses Gonzalez got a
[4:19:18] restraining order against her
[4:19:20] husband so he would let her
[4:19:21] and the children alone.
[4:19:22] Instead he kidnapped the
[4:19:25] children, killed 3 of them.
[4:19:27] And she could file a complaint
[4:19:28] with the town Castle Rock
[4:19:30] Police Department asking them
[4:19:30] to come to help her and they
[4:19:32] never came to help her. So he
[4:19:36] killed the 3 children. Then
[4:19:36] they got in a police fight. If
[4:19:37] and the police got involved in
[4:19:40] killed the man. So she sued
[4:19:41] the police department and
[4:19:42] civil rights violations for
[4:19:44] not enforcing the restraining
[4:19:44] order she had from the court.
[4:19:45] It was a court order. Every
[4:19:50] single court held the courts
[4:19:51] and the police departments do
[4:19:52] not have a duty to individual
[4:19:55] citizens. The police are here
[4:19:56] for government. They're here
[4:19:57] to protect you and your
[4:19:58] official capacities, but not
[4:20:01] in your citizen capacity. So
[4:20:02] we're always under the
[4:20:03] impression that the police are
[4:20:04] going to save us and keep us
[4:20:05] safe. They don't really have
[4:20:07] that duty. They have a duty to
[4:20:08] the general society to kind of
[4:20:10] keep us all safe in a general
[4:20:12] sense to go from there. I want
[4:20:14] to direct your attention to
[4:20:16] resolution number. 26 hyphen
[4:20:17] to 15. This was a resolution
[4:20:19] pass that your last AUGUST
[4:20:21] meeting. And when I I'm
[4:20:22] speaking generally is a
[4:20:23] commission because realize
[4:20:24] it's got a different
[4:20:26] composition at this time. But
[4:20:28] I want to talk about that. So
[4:20:29] if you want drop Commission
[4:20:31] resolution number, 26, I've
[4:20:33] been to 15. We're going to
[4:20:37] start by saying in the first
[4:20:41] page section 2, paragraph b,
[4:20:41] the mayor show called for
[4:20:42] motions and state the result
[4:20:47] of the votes. Small Currently,
[4:20:48] the clerk is studying the
[4:20:48] results, but I think it's a
[4:20:51] matter of formality and
[4:20:51] ceremonial duty as well as
[4:20:53] Robert's rules of Order on
[4:20:57] Page 2 of this motion. It
[4:20:59] speaks who gets to speak one.
[4:21:00] This was the one where you
[4:21:01] withdrew public comment and
[4:21:04] also that the staff no longer
[4:21:06] has the duty to answer
[4:21:06] questions that from the
[4:21:07] commission members, if they
[4:21:12] choose not to interesting
[4:21:13] thing is I don't think you
[4:21:15] realize what you passed Page 2
[4:21:19] section 3, paragraph c public
[4:21:20] comment will be allowed at all
[4:21:21] first. And second readings of
[4:21:25] ordinances. There is no public
[4:21:25] comment on a discussion item
[4:21:28] or a presentation. However,
[4:21:31] upon public interest, the
[4:21:33] mayor at their discretion MAY
[4:21:33] waive the restriction on
[4:21:37] public comments. And allow
[4:21:41] discussion on Presentation.
[4:21:43] But the important thing is
[4:21:43] you've public comment
[4:21:46] established. At the beginning
[4:21:49] of the meeting. Almost always
[4:21:51] at one minute. Thank you, sir.
[4:21:56] Appreciate it. Mayor look on
[4:21:58] Page 4 Section c public
[4:21:58] comment shall be limited to 3
[4:22:02] minutes per speaker at the
[4:22:04] beginning of the morning and
[4:22:05] evening Sessions. Now back in
[4:22:06] FEBRUARY, the commission just
[4:22:09] took that section off. But the
[4:22:10] interesting thing is you also
[4:22:12] have it in evening session at
[4:22:16] end of the meeting. There.
[4:22:17] She'll also be public comment
[4:22:20] which you do still have. So
[4:22:22] i'm not sure if you realize
[4:22:23] what you're doing because your
[4:22:25] agenda is not lawful today.
[4:22:27] You did not alter the agenda
[4:22:28] and allow public comment at
[4:22:29] the beginning of the meeting
[4:22:30] and this resolution went into
[4:22:32] effect AUGUST 6. So I'm going
[4:22:33] to ask you to do that for your
[4:22:38] evening session here. 4
[4:22:40] o'clock alter the agenda
[4:22:42] before you go into your home
[4:22:43] eating and technically that it
[4:22:45] should have been printed up
[4:22:47] that way. But that's up to the
[4:22:48] city manager. Do a direct U.S.
[4:22:49] Clerk out a pretty pretty
[4:22:52] agenda. So I'm asking you come
[4:22:53] in compliance with your own
[4:22:54] rules and regulations and
[4:22:55] thank you for the additional
[4:22:57] time. Thank. Thank you, MR.
[4:22:58] More. We'll take a look at
[4:22:58] that during the break. I'll
[4:22:59] talk to the city attorney and
[4:23:00] the city clerk will look at
[4:23:01] that. Thank you.
[4:23:02] >> Margaret. And then Sarah
[4:23:16] Compton. My name is mark for
[4:23:17] Merrill. I recited 16, 15
[4:23:20] Washington Street.
[4:23:21] >> I had a pet peeve when I
[4:23:23] sat in one of your seats and
[4:23:24] I'm hoping you all as a group
[4:23:26] will address. I hope that you
[4:23:30] all will agree that there will
[4:23:31] be no use of personal
[4:23:32] cellphones while you're
[4:23:35] sitting up there or your
[4:23:37] personal computers to do
[4:23:40] personal business. It's very
[4:23:41] distracting. And it gives the
[4:23:43] impression that you are either
[4:23:45] not prepared or you're taking
[4:23:46] additional comments that the
[4:23:50] rest of us cannot hear or c
[4:23:51] and I really think we need to
[4:23:52] limit that type of
[4:23:52] communication while you're
[4:23:56] sitting up there. I hope that
[4:23:58] at some point somebody will
[4:24:01] address and prior to 10 year
[4:24:03] charter that we need to have a
[4:24:06] different set of minimum
[4:24:07] residencies. Once someone is
[4:24:09] running for office in the city
[4:24:12] and that we don't just have
[4:24:13] somebody living at the address
[4:24:15] on the day of the election.
[4:24:17] And be happy to work with
[4:24:19] someone to get that resolution
[4:24:20] up there because to say you
[4:24:22] only have to live in the city
[4:24:24] one year and then be at the
[4:24:25] residence of a particular
[4:24:26] district on the day of the
[4:24:30] election. It's just not right.
[4:24:30] The other thing I want to
[4:24:34] mention is that. We are a city
[4:24:36] manager form of government.
[4:24:38] And the thing that has really
[4:24:40] bothered me in the past year
[4:24:44] is to see some of Josiah that
[4:24:45] occured between that position
[4:24:47] and positions on the diocese.
[4:24:50] There are 500 employees that
[4:24:51] report up through the city
[4:24:54] manager. The mayor and
[4:24:57] commissioners are policy board
[4:24:59] and you all are supposed to be
[4:25:00] directing individual staff
[4:25:01] members are department members
[4:25:03] to do something. But the one
[4:25:07] thing I'm hoping to see and
[4:25:08] Sam, I will give you credit
[4:25:09] for starting out the meeting
[4:25:09] with the things that you want
[4:25:14] to see done with respect to
[4:25:14] working together, respect and
[4:25:15] all of that. I hope it does
[4:25:18] come to fruition. But I'd like
[4:25:23] to suggest something that if
[4:25:24] groups where people cannot
[4:25:25] work together. And a
[4:25:29] professional manager and come
[4:25:30] consensus. It don't have to
[4:25:31] like each other. You don't
[4:25:33] have to socialize with each
[4:25:34] other. But if you cannot come
[4:25:37] and work with each other and
[4:25:39] consensus that I would
[4:25:42] strongly recommend that both
[4:25:43] parties involved and those
[4:25:45] should. We say brouhaha public
[4:25:48] displays that both parties
[4:25:53] should resign. Thank you for
[4:25:54] your consideration. I guess
[4:25:55] we'll see each other soon for
[4:25:57] clock right? Thank you. And
[4:26:06] Sarah. I'm Sara content of
[4:26:07] that 19. 0, one. South
[4:26:09] Roosevelt, MR. Mayor and
[4:26:10] commissioners.
[4:26:14] >> First, I would just like to
[4:26:15] to the city manager's comments
[4:26:16] in his report. I want to
[4:26:19] recognize city staff in
[4:26:21] addition to working with newly
[4:26:21] elected officials to bring
[4:26:25] them up to speed and they have
[4:26:28] also reached out to us who are
[4:26:32] still running to help any
[4:26:32] future transition easier. And
[4:26:35] for that, I'm very, very
[4:26:36] grateful. And briefly on back
[4:26:41] to speech, I just wanted to
[4:26:42] state that I agreed with
[4:26:43] commissioners, Haskell and
[4:26:46] Kerry. And I don't think that
[4:26:48] postponement was necessary.
[4:26:50] I'd ask you to consider
[4:26:51] bringing back a narrower
[4:26:55] resolution in OCTOBER that
[4:26:56] simply brings b#
[4:26:56] #
[4:26:56] #
[4:26:56] #
[4:26:56] #
[4:26:57] and
[4:26:58] associates into the process
[4:26:58] without endorsing any
[4:27:01] particular master plan. I
[4:27:02] think that having the
[4:27:03] professionals at the table
[4:27:06] early makes the public process
[4:27:09] better. It lets them get out
[4:27:10] to Hicks with to talk to the
[4:27:12] community and the neighbors in
[4:27:14] our kids and have the
[4:27:15] professionals there to help us
[4:27:18] as the public understand
[4:27:21] what's possible and what
[4:27:21] isn't. I really think that it
[4:27:22] could be beneficial to
[4:27:24] everyone involved to have them
[4:27:27] involved as early as possible.
[4:27:28] And there is a lot to be
[4:27:30] excited about. And I would
[4:27:31] just hate to lose the momentum
[4:27:33] by putting this off all the
[4:27:34] way to NOVEMBER. And that's
[4:27:36] all. Thank you so much. And
[4:27:37] that's it will move to
[4:27:41] commission comments.
[4:27:41] >> Who wants to go first? Any
[4:27:45] commission. I want
[4:27:46] commissioner Castillo. Okay.
[4:27:49] First and foremost, I want to
[4:27:51] congratulate elected mayor and
[4:27:56] commissioner and also to build
[4:27:59] To the city and anybody else
[4:28:03] that came aboard. And moving
[4:28:06] with the goodwill momentum
[4:28:12] that we have had. Previous. To
[4:28:15] moving forward. I just like
[4:28:16] full the community to know
[4:28:18] one. You Brian, that. We
[4:28:21] should killed funded 2 years
[4:28:24] in a row together in
[4:28:25] Tallahassee. And I know
[4:28:27] through all the budget cuts,
[4:28:30] it's going to be hard. To
[4:28:34] continue securing these here.
[4:28:40] As appointed as I want you to
[4:28:41] know how hard and diligently
[4:28:41] worked in Tallahassee to
[4:28:44] secure with that. And if you
[4:28:48] would pass it on to. The city
[4:28:49] manager spay and how we work
[4:28:55] that it. What you was there
[4:28:56] one year Lisette would be was
[4:28:57] there one knee at Tesco? You
[4:29:00] is there with But we managed
[4:29:03] to get out of all the cities.
[4:29:04] We will. We will manage to be
[4:29:06] lucky and got everything we
[4:29:08] aksed full. So I want to give
[4:29:09] kudos to you. Also, MISS City
[4:29:13] manager. I know. Like I say
[4:29:15] with all the cuts, this
[4:29:16] coming. I know we're going to
[4:29:22] have to do it again.
[4:29:22] Congratulations.
[4:29:23] Congratulations.
[4:29:24] Congratulations and
[4:29:30] congratulations that MAY
[4:29:32] >> Well, you know, be ending.
[4:29:34] Sit next to me. I was I was
[4:29:36] saving the best for last
[4:29:37] because he wanted to walk in
[4:29:41] to my funeral homes a
[4:29:42] customer. And that say we
[4:29:46] don't take walk-ins. But as a
[4:29:46] commission that he could sit
[4:29:51] next to me, look you. We've
[4:29:55] been buddies for over 45 years
[4:29:56] yet.
[4:29:57] >> That we to a 45. It's been
[4:29:59] a long See, did you want end
[4:30:01] it? I just look forward to
[4:30:01] working with everybody up
[4:30:04] here. I see that I hate to see
[4:30:08] the go put. We'll put some
[4:30:09] money and that's you. But I
[4:30:11] think we can jailed together
[4:30:12] here guys and make it happen.
[4:30:14] Been on a look at diocese.
[4:30:18] Trust reit. Over the years.
[4:30:19] See a lot of promise with
[4:30:23] everybody here and Monaco on
[4:30:24] that thing with the commute,
[4:30:26] the cameras and I got. I'm
[4:30:29] with you on that, too. But
[4:30:33] birthday buddy, there we 2
[4:30:34] ends of the state here. We
[4:30:34] have Seybert that everyone
[4:30:37] knew that. But how to be
[4:30:38] short. But look forward to
[4:30:41] working with everybody. Brian,
[4:30:42] going to get together up there
[4:30:45] the next couple days and see
[4:30:46] where else we can go on this
[4:30:51] budget. All right.
[4:30:51] Commissioner Haskell.
[4:30:54] >> I apologize for jumping in
[4:30:55] earlier with my commission
[4:30:55] comments. So next time, you
[4:31:00] know, feel free bring the hook
[4:31:00] and real me back. It was it
[4:31:03] was legal related. So it was
[4:31:08] ok, but would like let that to
[4:31:12] see that contract the the
[4:31:15] commission approved its in the
[4:31:15] NOVEMBER 2025 agenda packet.
[4:31:19] And there's the contract and
[4:31:21] there's the 15 page itemized
[4:31:22] list of all the equipment and
[4:31:26] services that we purchased
[4:31:27] that was approved in not
[4:31:27] involved in the NOVEMBER
[4:31:28] meeting.
[4:31:36] >> see that. Vice Mayor just
[4:31:37] like to say happy birthday to
[4:31:39] both of you. Graduation is to
[4:31:40] both of you and
[4:31:41] congratulations to the new
[4:31:41] mayor. Look forward to working
[4:31:43] with. The new commission.
[4:31:48] Thank you. Commissioner
[4:31:48] mascot.
[4:31:49] >> I just want to say that I
[4:31:51] I'm the only one here that has
[4:31:54] never sitting on this ties
[4:31:56] before. So it's my first
[4:31:58] meeting at least 48, I guess
[4:31:58] for the next 4 years. Looking
[4:32:02] forward to it. I'm learning
[4:32:03] what I have been going to the
[4:32:04] city commission meetings for
[4:32:05] the last 2 years reverse and
[4:32:08] what the issues are. But I'm
[4:32:09] very excited to work with
[4:32:15] commission here. So thank you.
[4:32:15] Commissioner Carey, to make it
[4:32:16] real prefer congratulations to
[4:32:19] those that are on the
[4:32:23] diocese's won the elections
[4:32:24] and wanted to say thank you
[4:32:25] again to staff for the also
[4:32:27] little pocket Park on Flagler.
[4:32:31] There are families using it.
[4:32:31] We stopped by last night. We
[4:32:34] got out by 11 o'clock because
[4:32:38] that's when the park But it's
[4:32:39] really awesome. So I hope to
[4:32:40] bring forward a resolution at
[4:32:43] next month's meeting to name
[4:32:45] the and maybe a little, maybe
[4:32:49] a little contest for the
[4:32:50] naming of that part. Thank
[4:32:53] you, guys is I know. I know it
[4:32:54] was a heavy lift, but it's
[4:32:56] it's great Commissioner yet
[4:32:59] just one more
[4:33:01] >> For those of you out there,
[4:33:03] that's that's looking the
[4:33:05] reason why the park oath mlk
[4:33:06] Nelson, English. It's because
[4:33:09] of the turtle nest the Navy
[4:33:14] annex to City. Am I correct?
[4:33:16] Extra city? Could they turned
[4:33:21] the coming in close? They turn
[4:33:23] on the lights a little So
[4:33:24] that's not a problem there.
[4:33:26] But soon this the nest and
[4:33:28] season and we'll go back 11
[4:33:34] o'clock. And the other thing
[4:33:38] out district 6, me then has
[4:33:39] been moved up to 6.30, due to
[4:33:40] the budget here in on the
[4:33:45] 10th. And I don't think that
[4:33:46] was informed to anybody. So I
[4:33:48] want you to know that the
[4:33:49] district 6 medium will be on
[4:33:53] that and it will be at 6.30
[4:33:54] Thank you. Great. And no, I'll
[4:33:55] just wrap it up with just a
[4:33:56] few very quick things because
[4:33:58] it's late. But I want to say
[4:34:01] also happy birthday to our 2
[4:34:01] Amazing at the same birthday.
[4:34:02] So next year will be prepared.
[4:34:05] Better prepared for that.
[4:34:06] >> Thus the sargasso meeting
[4:34:06] on the twenty-second at
[4:34:09] 03:00pm is really important.
[4:34:11] It is an emergent public
[4:34:13] health hazard for locals. It's
[4:34:17] got some serious economic
[4:34:17] consequences. So I really
[4:34:18] encourage everyone to soon as
[4:34:20] the presentation is available
[4:34:22] on our Web site. Please take a
[4:34:23] look at the presentation. DR.
[4:34:24] Brian Lapointe is an expert.
[4:34:26] Was his residence in Big Pine
[4:34:27] and it's really exciting the
[4:34:28] fact that we can actually
[4:34:30] potentially do something as a
[4:34:31] city which I had not known
[4:34:34] prior to about a month ago. I
[4:34:36] want to mention that for
[4:34:37] strategic planning. I would
[4:34:40] ask the commission to consider
[4:34:41] some some delay. And the
[4:34:42] reason is meeting with our
[4:34:44] strategic planning, a person
[4:34:45] tomorrow. But I really think
[4:34:46] we need a commission specific
[4:34:50] centered workshop. What
[4:34:51] Commissioner Ross he said is
[4:34:53] exactly right. We need to gel.
[4:34:55] We need to bond. We need to
[4:34:56] get to know each other and
[4:34:57] it's an opportunity for us to
[4:34:59] come together on our arc
[4:35:01] common priorities. We haven't
[4:35:04] done that yet. And I think
[4:35:05] it's important in the
[4:35:05] strategic planning process
[4:35:07] that we have buy-in from the
[4:35:08] beginning. All 7 of us,
[4:35:11] whatever the decision is,
[4:35:12] whatever the will is of the
[4:35:13] commission. But we have to
[4:35:13] know what that is. And we have
[4:35:16] to be supportive of it because
[4:35:17] the decisions we make for the
[4:35:18] next 2 years and 4 years will
[4:35:21] be tied to the strategic plan.
[4:35:22] So this decision should not
[4:35:24] important that we have place,
[4:35:27] but we first have to agree,
[4:35:28] Collette. We have to agree
[4:35:29] collectively, all 7 us that
[4:35:31] this is right. So I want first
[4:35:32] I want to talk to our
[4:35:33] strategic planner and the
[4:35:34] problem is SEPTEMBER's tight.
[4:35:35] We are we have to budget
[4:35:35] meetings. We have a special
[4:35:38] meet with lot of stuff. So I'm
[4:35:39] not sure we can get all this
[4:35:40] done between now and OCTOBER
[4:35:42] one, but that's something to
[4:35:43] think about. I'm really
[4:35:44] excited about the housing
[4:35:46] assessment. We approved today.
[4:35:48] This is going to be really
[4:35:49] important that will inform us
[4:35:50] of what we're going to do for
[4:35:54] housing going forward. So
[4:35:54] let's all look and monitor the
[4:35:55] progress of that housing
[4:35:56] assessment. Thank you for
[4:36:00] doing that. Staff. Lastly, I
[4:36:01] want to say I'm looking
[4:36:01] forward to being at the
[4:36:04] district 6 meeting. This is
[4:36:05] the first year the city will
[4:36:06] have a can or a on Kwanzaa.
[4:36:10] Very happy about that. It's
[4:36:13] showing inclusivity that are
[4:36:14] African-American community are
[4:36:14] going to be a Bayview Park for
[4:36:16] the celebration of Kwanzaa and
[4:36:17] we're going and the thank you
[4:36:18] city staff for making sure
[4:36:20] we're going to an r a I think
[4:36:21] that's important. So I hope we
[4:36:23] can talk about that a district
[4:36:25] 6, because I want to make sure
[4:36:26] that the residents ares in
[4:36:28] support of the selection of
[4:36:29] that can are. And, you know,
[4:36:30] we're all on the same page for
[4:36:32] that. And by the way,
[4:36:32] Commissioner Casteel, we're
[4:36:33] going have to fix that Wi-Fi
[4:36:36] at the project. That's all for
[4:36:38] now. With that. We are in
[4:36:40] recess until 05:00pm for this
[4:36:40] meeting. And don't forget, we
[4:36:41] have special meeting at
[4:36:43] 04:00pm. Is a separate
[4:36:44] meeting. We have a special
[4:36:46] meeting at 04:00pm, but this
[4:36:49] meeting recess until 05:00pm.
[4:36:49] The continuation of the city
[4:36:58] >> Reconvening the city
[4:37:01] commission meeting. Thank you,
[4:37:02] ladies and gentlemen. We're
[4:37:04] going start.
[4:37:05] >> MADAM Clerk, what's the
[4:37:09] next item? Well, we have to do
[4:37:09] roll call. That's right. Let's
[4:37:16] roll. Call. I like this a good
[4:37:22] do it hard. That ready go for
[4:37:24] Commissioner Carey here.
[4:37:25] Commissioner Castillo, Mayor
[4:37:26] Commissioner Haskell here,
[4:37:27] Commissioner Lee commissioner
[4:37:29] mascot here.
[4:37:35] >> Mayor Coffman here. Okay.
[4:37:40] Ladies and gentleman. Ladies
[4:37:41] and gentlemen, we're starting
[4:37:44] next session. Thank you. So
[4:37:46] please stand for indication by
[4:37:47] Madeline bomb followed by the
[4:37:56] Pledge of Allegiance. Good
[4:37:57] evening, everyone. Please join
[4:37:57] me in an attitude of prayer
[4:37:59] and meditation.
[4:38:02] >> Got of us all.
[4:38:04] >> Known by many names and
[4:38:04] understood and many
[4:38:07] traditions. We come before you
[4:38:08] tonight with humility and
[4:38:11] hope. In this moment of
[4:38:12] transition for our city. MAY
[4:38:16] we all take a deep breath? And
[4:38:17] breathe into our Long's the
[4:38:17] breath of life that comes
[4:38:19] directly from you and allows
[4:38:22] us to live and to thrive in
[4:38:22] this world that you have
[4:38:26] created. Tonight as we
[4:38:26] continue our meeting, help us
[4:38:29] to set aside anger,
[4:38:32] disappointment and division
[4:38:33] and remind us of our shared
[4:38:36] responsibility to one another.
[4:38:37] Grant us wisdom to listen,
[4:38:41] courage to lead compassion, to
[4:38:43] heal and grace to disagree
[4:38:43] without losing sight of our
[4:38:47] common humanity. We recognize
[4:38:47] that these meetings are not
[4:38:51] always easy. Strong
[4:38:52] convictions are expressed in
[4:38:55] difficult words are sometimes
[4:38:56] spoken. Emotions can at times
[4:39:00] be close to the surface. Yeah,
[4:39:01] we gather once more with the
[4:39:02] responsibility to listen to
[4:39:05] deliberate and to serve. Give
[4:39:08] us the wisdom to pause before
[4:39:09] we react, the courage to hear
[4:39:11] perspectives different from
[4:39:13] our own and the humility to
[4:39:13] recognize that none of us sees
[4:39:17] the whole picture. When
[4:39:18] disagreement becomes personal.
[4:39:20] Remind us of our shared
[4:39:22] humanity when frustration
[4:39:23] overwhelms us, give us
[4:39:26] patience. Mavis Commission
[4:39:27] lead with integrity and
[4:39:29] remember that every person who
[4:39:30] comes before us is someone who
[4:39:31] deserves to be heard and
[4:39:36] treated with dignity. Help us
[4:39:37] eat not simply to prevail in
[4:39:39] an argument, but to find the
[4:39:40] best path forward for the
[4:39:41] community. We have all been
[4:39:45] entrusted to serve. They are
[4:39:46] words tonight bring clarity
[4:39:47] rather than confusion and
[4:39:49] understanding rather than
[4:39:50] division. And when we leave
[4:39:54] this we have moved in even a
[4:39:56] small way closer to becoming
[4:39:58] the one human family. We hope
[4:39:59] to be in the name of all. That
[4:40:00] is good. And holy, we all say
[4:40:08] Amen.
[4:40:09] >> And to the Republic for
[4:40:12] which it stands. One nation
[4:40:13] under GOD, indivisible, with
[4:40:21] liberty and justice for all.
[4:40:24] Approval of agenda. Are there
[4:40:25] changes to the agenda? Yes,
[4:40:30] number 48 is withdrawn number.
[4:40:30] 49 requests to postpone. We
[4:40:31] will take a motion when we get
[4:40:35] to that item. Okay. Move to
[4:40:43] of. 50. Both told 50.
[4:40:45] >> So there's a recall to hold
[4:40:46] Hold on get your microphone is
[4:40:48] not or does it. Okay.
[4:40:48] Commissioner Kaseya you're
[4:40:49] gonna say something on own
[4:40:55] item. 50. Mikes are off. Lot
[4:40:57] of them. I I do. All right.
[4:41:03] Hold on. Hello. The okay.
[4:41:07] Commissioner Castillo item 50.
[4:41:08] There's some discrepancies
[4:41:13] inside of MAY I suggest that
[4:41:16] we take that up when when
[4:41:20] number comes on consent. I did
[4:41:22] speak to Kindle downs in the
[4:41:22] end Will said when it come
[4:41:23] will address that when we get
[4:41:26] to number 50, okay, I move to
[4:41:29] approve the agenda as so.
[4:41:34] Approving the agenda with the
[4:41:35] removal or withdraw or
[4:41:38] withdrawing item. 48. And
[4:41:38] otherwise it all staying the
[4:41:42] same for now. Is there a
[4:41:43] motion? We have a motion
[4:41:45] approved Commissioner Carey
[4:41:46] second by Commissioner
[4:41:46] Castillo. All those in favor
[4:41:48] say Aye, aye, all star, MR. 48
[4:41:56] or 40. 48 is the zoning map
[4:41:57] interpretation for 2 to 407,
[4:41:58] northwest Tech for yes, yes,
[4:42:00] okay. Thank you. Okay. All
[4:42:01] those in favor. Please say
[4:42:03] Aye. Aye. Any opposed hearing.
[4:42:07] None motion carries
[4:42:08] discussion. Item number. 45
[4:42:10] water, quality testing
[4:42:11] program. And we have 2
[4:42:12] speakers, Bart Smith and then
[4:42:25] Arlo has school.
[4:42:25] >> Good evening. Part Smith on
[4:42:30] behalf of peer be. So we're
[4:42:33] here tonight on the water
[4:42:34] quality monitoring. And we
[4:42:35] also have attached the College
[4:42:39] of Florida Keys. Epa report
[4:42:41] the epa report was published
[4:42:42] and really nothing shattering
[4:42:47] or a note. You're sure water
[4:42:48] qualities, fine. The
[4:42:50] phosphorus levels are lower
[4:42:51] nearshore water quality. And
[4:42:51] as you move offshore, nitrogen
[4:42:54] levels are lower.
[4:42:55] >> Which is what was to be
[4:42:59] expected. So the reality is
[4:43:00] the report really didn't bring
[4:43:02] any earth shattering news.
[4:43:04] However, the study does raise
[4:43:07] a lot of questions the study
[4:43:11] cites the epa grant and sites
[4:43:11] that efi you was the testing
[4:43:14] entity. As I thought you've
[4:43:15] been provided any copies of
[4:43:18] this report. Has that fire,
[4:43:19] you repeat, very viewed or
[4:43:24] prove this report. In fact. As
[4:43:25] the water, quite city of Key
[4:43:26] West Water Quality Steering
[4:43:30] committee seen this report. It
[4:43:30] has a water quality steering
[4:43:33] committee review this report.
[4:43:37] Even more so has our water
[4:43:39] close to committee reviewed
[4:43:42] the proposals of Stan Tech or
[4:43:46] the request for money. It is
[4:43:47] my understanding that the
[4:43:48] water quality steering
[4:43:48] committee that the city has
[4:43:51] appointed has not Im, not
[4:43:52] reviewed any of the
[4:43:54] expenditures not review the
[4:43:57] reports. Im not provide been
[4:43:58] even convene to provide any
[4:44:02] input. Fact, when was the last
[4:44:04] time the board, even that? It
[4:44:07] really has. And that's a
[4:44:08] failure that the city has
[4:44:10] appointed a steering committee
[4:44:12] that filled with professionals
[4:44:14] in the field water quality.
[4:44:15] That should be guiding the
[4:44:17] discussion before this board.
[4:44:18] And they're not even being
[4:44:21] convened to discuss what is
[4:44:22] being done. What's being
[4:44:23] proposed? They were the
[4:44:26] money's being spent. If you
[4:44:27] look at the report that was
[4:44:29] provided by the college, it
[4:44:31] talks about, you know, doing
[4:44:32] some monitoring, ordering some
[4:44:34] equipment. And what we're rid
[4:44:38] of the city's money go 180,000
[4:44:39] went to underwater autonomous
[4:44:41] torpedo. But if you read the
[4:44:45] report, it wasn't used. Reason
[4:44:46] was couldn't operate encourage
[4:44:47] more than 1.5 miles per hour,
[4:44:51] which standard currents in the
[4:44:51] shipping channel. And there's
[4:44:54] no place long pick it up. So
[4:44:56] the city basically gave
[4:44:57] 180,000 over for a piece of
[4:44:59] equipment that could even use.
[4:45:00] There's almost 300,000 spent
[4:45:03] by the college of the city's
[4:45:03] Marty. Really can't be
[4:45:08] identified. What was the use?
[4:45:10] Before the city goes and start
[4:45:11] spending more money and more
[4:45:11] wall of water, quality
[4:45:12] monitoring more water quality
[4:45:15] reports. It should identify
[4:45:18] what is really necessary. And
[4:45:19] what's not necessary as
[4:45:20] reports like this. Lets be
[4:45:25] clear. That's a prop. A loss
[4:45:26] from that's a little cruise
[4:45:29] ships or otherwise is not
[4:45:30] clear at one minute apart.
[4:45:31] Smith, just one moment.
[4:45:31] >> I appreciate that. Thank
[4:45:36] you. Is not regulated. And the
[4:45:37] tradition, the creative that
[4:45:38] is temporary from ships in
[4:45:41] their operation. Is not a
[4:45:44] violation any water quality.
[4:45:44] The city attorney has stated
[4:45:47] this on the record. And this
[4:45:51] is fact this is the law. So
[4:45:52] before spending more money and
[4:45:53] more time about what we're
[4:45:55] going to do. Let's get the
[4:45:57] steering committee. The
[4:45:58] professionals involved have
[4:45:58] them review the things that
[4:46:00] stand tech is proposing and
[4:46:00] provide feedback to this
[4:46:06] commission.
[4:46:06] >> Our low and then will
[4:46:12] Benson. Mayor Coffman
[4:46:15] commissioners are low Haskell
[4:46:16] 7.16, love Lane.
[4:46:17] >> I watched the meeting
[4:46:17] online this morning and I just
[4:46:18] want to say first, how
[4:46:22] refreshing it is to have a new
[4:46:23] commission up there in
[4:46:24] particular, Commissioner Rossi
[4:46:25] commissioner mascot. Really
[4:46:26] nice to see the energy and
[4:46:27] sites you bring to the
[4:46:28] commission. Mayor Coffman,
[4:46:29] happy to have you in a new a
[4:46:34] new chair up there I know you
[4:46:35] add a lot, you know, to to
[4:46:37] this body. And unfortunately,
[4:46:39] you also have some messes to
[4:46:41] clean up that came before you
[4:46:41] that are not of you're doing
[4:46:43] and water quality monitoring
[4:46:47] is a big one of those in APRIL
[4:46:50] of 2022, the city amended its
[4:46:51] code to adopt chapter 80's
[4:46:54] cruise ship regulations. And
[4:46:54] this requires that the city
[4:46:57] test the waters waters within
[4:46:58] its control for water, quality
[4:47:01] violations caused by cruise
[4:47:03] ships. Now, since the city's
[4:47:04] only controls the waters
[4:47:06] within 600 feet of the
[4:47:08] shoreline. And since cruise
[4:47:09] ships only operate in a very
[4:47:10] small area of that, it's
[4:47:11] really pretty easy for the
[4:47:13] city to meet its legal
[4:47:15] obligations. The city found a
[4:47:16] brilliant way to address these
[4:47:20] obligations in the past with
[4:47:21] an autonomous monitoring
[4:47:23] system that was mounted to its
[4:47:25] yellow man property at Mallory
[4:47:26] Square. This system wasn't
[4:47:30] perfect. It failed to test for
[4:47:32] markers of exhaust scrubber
[4:47:34] discharge or the ballast tank
[4:47:35] discharges that have been
[4:47:37] linked to stony coral tissue
[4:47:39] loss disease. But it was a
[4:47:40] very simple, very inexpensive
[4:47:42] model that could be built on.
[4:47:44] And we know it works. Part of
[4:47:45] the reason that that MR. Smith
[4:47:46] can say there's nothing
[4:47:47] groundbreaking in this report
[4:47:50] is that the key findings were
[4:47:53] reported over a year ago. 35
[4:47:54] violations of state, federal
[4:47:54] water quality standards by
[4:47:58] cruise ships operating appear
[4:48:00] be unfortunately with with
[4:48:02] lobbying from MR. Smith and
[4:48:02] those that control peer be the
[4:48:03] city ordered that that
[4:48:06] equipment be removed. We've
[4:48:07] had no heart harbor monitoring
[4:48:11] since that time. This is not a
[4:48:15] cost issue. Chapter 80
[4:48:15] provides funding for this
[4:48:16] program in the revenue from
[4:48:19] cruise ship disembark Haitians
[4:48:21] we've taken in millions in
[4:48:23] disembarkation revenue since
[4:48:23] terminating the program. But
[4:48:26] we haven't used it. I'm
[4:48:32] looking Program update from
[4:48:32] from Stan Tech Task 0, where
[4:48:35] talks about Key West Harbor
[4:48:36] monitoring. It says they
[4:48:38] submitted a plan to the city
[4:48:40] in MARCH 6 months ago and a
[4:48:43] technical memorandum in MAY,
[4:48:43] but it says the city's
[4:48:45] purchase of monitoring
[4:48:49] equipment is still pending. My
[4:48:49] big question today is why
[4:48:52] hasn't the city bought that
[4:48:52] equipment yet? It's been
[4:48:53] approved. It doesn't cost very
[4:48:54] much. It's easy to install. It
[4:48:56] would be located on city
[4:48:56] property. What is the city
[4:49:01] waiting for? There's a lot to
[4:49:02] address on water, quality
[4:49:03] monitoring. I'm really happy
[4:49:03] to have this, you know,
[4:49:05] discussion item here, but I'm
[4:49:06] asking you all on the
[4:49:07] commission to, you know, first
[4:49:09] of all, fix what was broken by
[4:49:11] the former commission. Let's
[4:49:13] bring back the Yellow Man
[4:49:14] monitoring station be done in
[4:49:16] just a second. Let's bring
[4:49:19] back the elm and monitoring
[4:49:19] station Florida had another
[4:49:20] minute are low. You don't have
[4:49:21] to rush. Okay. Another minute.
[4:49:22] Almost done an ok, you'll be
[4:49:24] happy. No. Bring back that
[4:49:27] yellow man monitoring updated
[4:49:28] with sensors that look for
[4:49:29] exhaust scrubber discharge
[4:49:30] ballast tank. Water discharge
[4:49:31] so it can, you know, capture
[4:49:33] what it missed before. And
[4:49:35] that's it. I mean, fix what
[4:49:37] was broken first move on to
[4:49:38] the rest of all these valuable
[4:49:39] needed water quality issues.
[4:49:43] Thank you all for your look
[4:49:45] forward to the discussion. And
[4:49:54] will Benson.
[4:49:55] >> Good afternoon. Good
[4:49:56] evening. My name is will
[4:49:57] Benson and I'm from Sugarloaf
[4:49:58] Key, but I'm a charter boat.
[4:50:00] Captain here in Qs run a small
[4:50:02] business out of Key West. Also
[4:50:03] a member of the safer cleaner
[4:50:08] ships and crew. First, want to
[4:50:10] say congratulations for all of
[4:50:10] you guys to one year
[4:50:11] elections. It's great to have
[4:50:15] a new diets up here. I
[4:50:16] obviously echo everything that
[4:50:20] our low just said. But I was I
[4:50:22] wanted to do be make make this
[4:50:24] very driving in today. I was
[4:50:25] listening to a little bit of
[4:50:27] the conversation that was just
[4:50:28] happening about our our city
[4:50:29] manager and one of the common
[4:50:30] themes that we heard was, you
[4:50:34] know, consistency. As we
[4:50:34] wanted to have steady
[4:50:36] leadership. We want to have
[4:50:38] steady consistency and I would
[4:50:38] offer that the same thing
[4:50:41] applies to water quality. And
[4:50:42] I want you guys to think about
[4:50:46] that. Because we had a really,
[4:50:48] really great program in place.
[4:50:49] We had, you know, matching
[4:50:52] funding. We had the college of
[4:50:55] the Florida Keys engaged. And
[4:50:56] for some reason this
[4:50:57] commission came along and took
[4:51:00] a great program. Ruined, ended
[4:51:04] the consistency. And I can
[4:51:06] tell you from the water's not
[4:51:07] only in Key West but
[4:51:07] throughout the keys and
[4:51:09] throughout the state. There's
[4:51:13] a lot going on both good and
[4:51:15] bad. And the important thing
[4:51:18] to understand is is to have
[4:51:18] that data have the science and
[4:51:22] have the consistency of
[4:51:22] monitoring.
[4:51:23] >> Inshore offshore so that we
[4:51:23] can put all of the pieces of
[4:51:26] the puzzle together. So as you
[4:51:28] guys kind of consider what to
[4:51:30] do here, we know how important
[4:51:31] water quality is to this
[4:51:32] community to the businesses,
[4:51:35] to the citizens. And I would
[4:51:37] like challenge all of you guys
[4:51:38] to have the leadership to say
[4:51:42] consistent on this issue. Read
[4:51:43] the law, looking understand
[4:51:47] what the problems are because,
[4:51:48] yes, there might not be
[4:51:49] anything new there like MR.
[4:51:50] Smith says, but it's a
[4:51:53] consistent violation. This is
[4:51:54] what we need to understand. If
[4:51:55] we're going to have some
[4:51:58] solution to this, we need to
[4:51:58] have good data. We need to
[4:52:00] have a good program and we
[4:52:02] need to have a big picture
[4:52:03] view and stay consistent in
[4:52:05] our leadership on that. So
[4:52:06] that's the challenge for you
[4:52:06] guys. And thank you for your
[4:52:14] time. We have our growth
[4:52:14] management director. Thank
[4:52:17] you, MR. Right?
[4:52:18] >> Yes, Good evening. Mayor
[4:52:19] Coffman and commissioners
[4:52:19] Patrick Wright, Growth
[4:52:22] Management Division director.
[4:52:23] Tonight we have a presentation
[4:52:25] from our Stan Tech team on our
[4:52:27] water quality monitoring
[4:52:29] program today. So Ashleigh
[4:52:30] Parks is going to go ahead and
[4:52:33] do that presentation. And then
[4:52:33] Allison Higgins, our
[4:52:34] resiliency manager, myself,
[4:52:34] are here for a follow-up
[4:52:49] questions. Thank you.
[4:53:01] >> Ashley Park some with Stan
[4:53:05] Tech. I would just like to
[4:53:06] verify that you can see my
[4:53:10] presentation on the screen.
[4:53:10] >> Looks like it's floating.
[4:53:17] Yes, yes. Nc it. Okay. Great.
[4:53:18] Thank you for inviting us to
[4:53:20] speak with you today. I am
[4:53:20] pleased to provide you with an
[4:53:22] update on the progress.
[4:53:23] >> That we've made on the
[4:53:23] water quality monitoring
[4:53:29] program. Here's just a quick
[4:53:31] overview of what will be going
[4:53:33] over today. First will be
[4:53:35] revealing the scope of the
[4:53:38] contract. And looking at
[4:53:41] successes to date. Then the
[4:53:42] remaining deliverables for the
[4:53:45] project. And finally, our and
[4:53:50] next steps moving forward. So
[4:53:51] here is an overview of the
[4:53:55] scope. Test. Arrow is to
[4:53:58] resume the key West Harbor
[4:54:01] monitoring task. One is to
[4:54:01] review existing data and it
[4:54:05] opportunities. Task to as for
[4:54:08] the idea of pollution
[4:54:09] mitigation, actions, tasks,
[4:54:10] rainy, the design of the
[4:54:13] water, quality monitoring
[4:54:14] programs test for increased
[4:54:17] availability of recent beach
[4:54:19] reports task. 5 increase
[4:54:19] community knowledge of beach
[4:54:23] data and trends and task 6
[4:54:23] assists with the design of a
[4:54:24] new beach water quality
[4:54:30] monitoring plan. So here is
[4:54:32] summary of work completed to
[4:54:37] date tests. 6 has been
[4:54:39] completed. We developed and
[4:54:40] submitted a beach water
[4:54:41] quality monitoring plans the
[4:54:45] city in FEBRUARY. That scope
[4:54:46] of work was included. And the
[4:54:48] epa grant funding proposal and
[4:54:51] included the use of innovative
[4:54:52] technologies, a newly
[4:54:53] developed sores, tried
[4:54:53] tracking methods, which we're
[4:54:58] really excited about. Toss 0.
[4:55:03] Have is underway. We developed
[4:55:04] a monitoring plan and
[4:55:05] submitted that to the city in
[4:55:12] MARCH. Mahan we at submitted
[4:55:14] an alternative monitoring
[4:55:15] scenarios and included pricing
[4:55:17] for the city to procure the
[4:55:20] Quint just stay within the
[4:55:24] budget outlook for The
[4:55:26] cost-effective option was
[4:55:27] chosen was chosen, which was
[4:55:29] form of late grab samples of
[4:55:30] the harbor. And that's
[4:55:33] sampling.
[4:55:34] >> Will
[4:55:35] >> commence as soon as the
[4:55:35] city prepares equipment to do
[4:55:40] so. Task. One is currently
[4:55:46] underway. We have so far
[4:55:47] collected and processed the
[4:55:47] existing data for the
[4:55:49] geographic areas of concern
[4:55:53] identified in the contract and
[4:55:55] that includes over 395,000
[4:55:57] data point for over 130
[4:55:59] locations. This is a very
[4:56:02] thorough data collection for
[4:56:06] the waters of Key West. We
[4:56:06] recently received the call to
[4:56:08] the Florida Keys Harbor
[4:56:12] monitoring data on epa report.
[4:56:13] And the data included in that
[4:56:17] report, we'll be hit part of
[4:56:18] the task, one effort and will
[4:56:22] be used to and for mitigation
[4:56:28] actions as part of task. 2.
[4:56:31] Moving on to task that will
[4:56:32] use the results of the data
[4:56:36] analysis. Completed under task
[4:56:38] one, which will include the
[4:56:38] results of the harbor
[4:56:39] monitoring, completed under
[4:56:43] task. 0. And the Deliverable
[4:56:45] for this task will provide
[4:56:47] mitigation actions with costs
[4:56:47] for city implementation, for
[4:56:52] pollutant load reduction.
[4:56:54] Task. 3 is kind of the meat
[4:56:55] and potatoes of the contract
[4:56:55] with the design of the water
[4:56:58] quality monitoring programs.
[4:56:59] That will use the results of
[4:57:02] tasks wanted to. This will
[4:57:04] provide the design of
[4:57:05] science-based, comprehensive
[4:57:07] water quality monitoring plan
[4:57:08] that will comply chapter 81
[4:57:12] implemented. This plan.
[4:57:14] Implementation will provide
[4:57:14] meaningful data-driven results
[4:57:15] that can guide future
[4:57:18] mitigation and management. And
[4:57:18] improvement of water quality
[4:57:22] in the city's waters. Task
[4:57:29] for. Has. Funding for task
[4:57:29] force has been reallocated to
[4:57:35] test 0 because we are seeking
[4:57:35] and alternative funding source
[4:57:39] for task for.
[4:57:39] >> The
[4:57:44] >> plan developed under task 6
[4:57:46] for that was submitted to the
[4:57:46] epa as that alternative
[4:57:47] funding sources, what will be
[4:57:52] used 2? Eventually get task
[4:57:56] for under way. And if an did,
[4:57:57] the sampling would be more
[4:57:58] frequent and comprehensive
[4:58:00] than the current strategy. It
[4:58:01] would increase the frequency
[4:58:04] of sampling to weekly instead
[4:58:08] of current biweekly regimen
[4:58:08] and then expansion of beach, a
[4:58:12] sample from 4 to 7 and per the
[4:58:14] scope of work submitted. And
[4:58:19] our task 6, this could also
[4:58:20] include continuous monitoring
[4:58:22] of fecal indicator bacteria at
[4:58:23] the beaches as well as
[4:58:27] microbial source tracking to
[4:58:29] determine the source is of the
[4:58:31] bacterial pollution at the
[4:58:32] beaches and further and for
[4:58:34] mitigation strategies. And
[4:58:39] task 5. Will be expedited to
[4:58:41] be completed alongside tasks
[4:58:43] 2, 3, This will use the
[4:58:46] results of the data analysis
[4:58:47] firm task. One as it applies
[4:58:50] to the beach sampling and will
[4:58:51] provide public communication
[4:58:52] tools with Department of
[4:58:55] Health. Beach health results
[4:59:02] and recommendations. Here is a
[4:59:05] timeline of the tasks moving
[4:59:06] forward. Test 6 was completed
[4:59:10] in FEBRUARY. 0 started in
[4:59:11] MARCH. And that's going to be
[4:59:13] ongoing as sampling is
[4:59:14] implement through the end of
[4:59:18] the contract period. The
[4:59:21] review of existing data began
[4:59:24] in APRIL is ongoing and we'll
[4:59:25] have results delivered in
[4:59:30] DECEMBER of this year. Task to
[4:59:33] try the mitigation actions
[4:59:34] will be presented at the
[4:59:37] deliverable in FEBRUARY of
[4:59:40] 2027. The final design of
[4:59:41] water quality monitoring
[4:59:42] programs will be completed by
[4:59:44] APRIL with a report delivery
[4:59:49] in MAY. As stated during the
[4:59:53] previous slide Task. 5 will be
[4:59:56] completed alongside tasks 2, 3
[4:59:57] will we would have those
[4:59:59] products ready to deliver in
[5:00:03] MARCH and task for we are
[5:00:06] going to use the remaining
[5:00:06] funds that weren't allocated
[5:00:11] to expedite test 0 in order to
[5:00:14] refine the proposal for the
[5:00:15] grant funding for the 2027
[5:00:21] cycle. Moving forward. These
[5:00:25] are our next steps. To procure
[5:00:28] the monitoring equipment and
[5:00:28] start monitoring and continue
[5:00:29] that ongoing as part of Task.
[5:00:33] 0. We will complete tasks one
[5:00:36] completed data analysis that
[5:00:38] we can begin working on task
[5:00:38] 2, 3, We'll use the remaining
[5:00:43] funds to. From test for to
[5:00:43] enhance the proposal for epa
[5:00:47] grant funding. And just an
[5:00:48] update on reporting you will
[5:00:50] be receiving monthly progress
[5:00:51] reports share with you to keep
[5:00:54] you informed of progress. And
[5:00:56] we will also be able to give
[5:00:57] milestone presentations to the
[5:00:58] commission, asked tasks are
[5:01:02] completed. And the immediate
[5:01:03] priority has we are working
[5:01:05] very hard behind the scenes to
[5:01:06] going is to resume the harbor
[5:01:12] water quality monitoring. And
[5:01:13] that is the presentation I
[5:01:14] have for you today. And now we
[5:01:14] can move into questions and
[5:01:19] discussion. Well, thank you so
[5:01:19] much for the presentation.
[5:01:20] Let's bring it back to the
[5:01:21] commission.
[5:01:23] >> Who wants to start? And if
[5:01:25] vice mayor Lee? Thank you,
[5:01:31] Mayor earlier in the week. I
[5:01:33] was told by city management
[5:01:34] that the equipment necessary
[5:01:37] to do the testing was
[5:01:39] purchased? Can someone tell me
[5:01:40] if that's true, what was
[5:01:41] purchased and how much did it
[5:01:49] cost? Good Mayor Coffman
[5:01:53] commissioners, Patrick Graham,
[5:01:54] commissioner leave. Understand
[5:01:54] your question regarding the
[5:01:57] equipment for the testing. It
[5:02:01] is not in purchase just yet to
[5:02:01] the state. We're in the
[5:02:03] process. And I think we're
[5:02:03] almost completed the setting
[5:02:05] up the vendors are procurement
[5:02:07] system. So very close, but we
[5:02:08] have not actually purchase the
[5:02:12] equipment. Just for
[5:02:14] clarification. Are we speaking
[5:02:15] about the continuous
[5:02:18] monitoring in the harbor that
[5:02:19] would be placed at the yellow
[5:02:20] set the quick or This is this
[5:02:22] is the grab sampling.
[5:02:23] >> Testing that would be done
[5:02:24] and not not continuing
[5:02:28] monitor. Okay. So we're just a
[5:02:29] clarification. As far as what
[5:02:30] Vice Mayor Lee was was
[5:02:34] mentioning are we on track
[5:02:36] with buying equipment to be
[5:02:36] placed for continuous
[5:02:40] monitoring at the element.
[5:02:41] There's money in that
[5:02:44] allocated for that.
[5:02:45] >> In this in this task order
[5:02:50] 0, if you recall, was approved
[5:02:52] and the funding that was that
[5:02:53] Stanton. But Ford first-half 0
[5:02:54] was not approved by the but
[5:02:58] the commission at that time.
[5:02:59] So what what city staff was
[5:03:03] left with was the budget of
[5:03:05] initially approved tasked with
[5:03:06] the inclusion of Task 0. So
[5:03:09] what we had to do was which
[5:03:11] took time was work through
[5:03:12] shopper, pencils, it Lucas and
[5:03:15] I work very closely and with
[5:03:16] Stantec to figure out a way
[5:03:18] where we could meet all tasks
[5:03:19] and not drop anything from the
[5:03:19] scope because that would have
[5:03:21] to bring back in front of you
[5:03:23] only delaying further testing
[5:03:25] and the most cost-effective
[5:03:26] way to do that for for for
[5:03:28] this. This first year of the
[5:03:31] of the sampling of chapter, 80
[5:03:33] compliance was to purchase the
[5:03:35] the equipment. So yes, I I
[5:03:35] recall that. Thank you for the
[5:03:38] reminder about what happened.
[5:03:39] >> We want to get back to
[5:03:42] continuous monitoring at the
[5:03:44] element. I mean, in order to
[5:03:46] compare apples to apples, what
[5:03:46] we had with the testing
[5:03:49] program with the college of
[5:03:50] the Florida Keys, there is
[5:03:50] continuous testing.
[5:03:52] Unfortunately, the previous
[5:03:54] commission voted to remove
[5:03:56] that equipment which ended up
[5:03:57] costing money that we don't
[5:03:58] have apparently to replace
[5:03:59] that equipment. But that's
[5:04:02] behind us going forward.
[5:04:03] There's a line item in the
[5:04:05] upcoming budget that's set for
[5:04:06] next week for water quality
[5:04:08] monitoring of $250,000. Is
[5:04:11] there money? I'm I'm I'm wrong
[5:04:13] about No, you're not okay. So
[5:04:18] 250,000 a line item is part of
[5:04:19] the program for the cycle of
[5:04:25] fiscal year, 27. Will we the
[5:04:26] continuous monitoring
[5:04:29] equipment for the element. So
[5:04:30] that is a decision that that
[5:04:30] you all have to make at the
[5:04:32] end of standards. Current
[5:04:34] contract.
[5:04:35] >> we've already started that
[5:04:36] conversation internally. And
[5:04:36] Alice and I have spoken about
[5:04:39] that. Those funds reserved how
[5:04:39] they complain to the next
[5:04:43] year's contract. Whether we
[5:04:43] renew with Stan Tech or we
[5:04:44] decide to do something
[5:04:45] different, whatever the will
[5:04:46] the commission is at the time.
[5:04:48] But we've absolutely consider
[5:04:50] that. And I and honestly,
[5:04:50] thought that that that MAY be
[5:04:53] coming in. So we've had those
[5:04:55] conversations and want to move
[5:04:56] forward just to finish his
[5:04:56] point bringing back to the
[5:04:57] commission. And want to
[5:05:00] dominate discussion. But the
[5:05:03] do you need a resolution from
[5:05:03] the commission in order to
[5:05:05] move forward with that are
[5:05:06] next.
[5:05:06] >> Meeting is day one of next
[5:05:11] fiscal year. OCTOBER one or
[5:05:12] how would you how would we
[5:05:13] proceed or is that something
[5:05:14] that that staff internally is
[5:05:19] working on? So MR. City
[5:05:22] manager, financial, MR. Maher
[5:05:23] apologize. Thank you, Patrick,
[5:05:25] gotten me jump in. I would
[5:05:26] tell you that it's not
[5:05:27] necessary. We feel like we've
[5:05:27] got in the direction that we
[5:05:30] need.
[5:05:34] >> Ok, thank you. Okay. Bring
[5:05:38] it back to the commission.
[5:05:39] Westwood, do you have I could
[5:05:40] you have a case? Art
[5:05:46] Commissioner Kaseya.
[5:05:46] >> I also want water quality,
[5:05:50] but I do want this. The
[5:05:51] commission didn't terminate
[5:05:53] the college contract. The
[5:05:55] college did not want to renew
[5:05:56] the contract, the equipment
[5:06:01] that they have. We bull. I
[5:06:01] don't know of that equipment
[5:06:03] outdated. This not doing them
[5:06:07] any good. If we can. Have that
[5:06:09] equipment to put back on the
[5:06:11] yellow man. But the question
[5:06:12] that was excellent bout with
[5:06:14] graphs that they show, you're
[5:06:16] not going to tell me it wasn't
[5:06:21] any deep contaminants because
[5:06:21] there was times I couldn't
[5:06:24] even course White Street
[5:06:26] because of the Sawgrass
[5:06:28] decomposition that was out
[5:06:29] there that had to have some
[5:06:31] effect on our water quality.
[5:06:34] So one, all peaches and cream.
[5:06:37] Cause. You know, I mean, that
[5:06:37] side of the island really took
[5:06:41] a bad hit. And as I'm mayor
[5:06:42] stated, that a special meeting
[5:06:48] for the Sawgrass I was trying
[5:06:49] to figure out how it could be
[5:06:53] raked la and all up on top of
[5:06:56] rock said at big speech in.
[5:07:01] It's kind of I don't I don't
[5:07:02] know, will be going to do
[5:07:03] about it. And that's not the
[5:07:05] last time. It's not the first
[5:07:07] time but something definitely
[5:07:09] got to be done with it because
[5:07:09] is a nuisance to the
[5:07:10] neighbors. There's on Atlantic
[5:07:13] Boulevard. And hate speech and
[5:07:16] all the beaches really. And
[5:07:17] we're having a great special
[5:07:19] meeting on that. The what is
[5:07:23] it SEPTEMBER 22nd and that
[5:07:24] that date that the composition
[5:07:27] that. That's their got to have
[5:07:28] some type of effect on the
[5:07:32] water quality. 100%. And
[5:07:33] addressing that as a city,
[5:07:34] which amazing. I'm looking
[5:07:35] forward to that.
[5:07:42] >> Commissioner Haskell. Thank
[5:07:42] MR. Maher. I mean, yeah,
[5:07:46] that's 1, Leslie, I have a
[5:07:46] couple questions for you on
[5:07:50] the presentation. In the order
[5:07:52] that you presented first was
[5:07:53] were completed today. Can you
[5:07:57] hear me? Yeah, yes, I can ok,
[5:08:01] great task. 6 assist with
[5:08:01] design of a new beach water
[5:08:05] quality monitoring plans. It
[5:08:07] mentions that epa grant
[5:08:08] funding proposal was that
[5:08:11] proposal actually funded.
[5:08:14] >> It was not, which is why we
[5:08:16] are looking at the revisions
[5:08:17] to that proposal for
[5:08:19] submission for the 2027 cycle.
[5:08:23] We did it. We were in the
[5:08:26] final group for that. So we're
[5:08:26] very close. We just didn't
[5:08:31] quite make the final cut. But
[5:08:32] we did meet epa representative
[5:08:34] who gave us some points to
[5:08:36] improve the proposal. They
[5:08:39] really liked the project to
[5:08:40] just needed couple of tweaks
[5:08:42] to the proposal for next year.
[5:08:46] And so we we are very hopeful
[5:08:49] that and that it would be
[5:08:50] funded and the next cycle and
[5:08:55] early 2027, ok? Thank you. The
[5:08:59] that completed was beach water
[5:09:00] quality monitoring plans
[5:09:02] submitted to the city in
[5:09:04] FEBRUARY 2026. Did that come
[5:09:08] before the commission as a as
[5:09:09] a just a informational piece.
[5:09:14] I do remember seeing it.
[5:09:15] >> I don't believe it did. It
[5:09:16] was just admitted as the scope
[5:09:18] of work for the epa proposal.
[5:09:22] >> So was on staff level. Yes,
[5:09:23] that was submitted as a
[5:09:25] deliverable. We do have house
[5:09:27] and utilize that as mentioned
[5:09:29] for that for that, used in the
[5:09:29] grant proposal, but we didn't
[5:09:30] actually see what that beach
[5:09:34] water quality plan. Yes, it's
[5:09:35] it's it's at the level of
[5:09:35] completion. So it's it's it's
[5:09:39] ready. We'd like to see it. We
[5:09:40] can provide the absolute.
[5:09:43] Okay. Thank you very much. So
[5:09:44] that was my questions about
[5:09:50] task. 6 completed task. 0.
[5:09:55] That was up. There was a
[5:09:55] interruption in the sound
[5:09:58] quality as you were speaking.
[5:10:00] Did you say something about
[5:10:03] grass like monitoring sampling
[5:10:09] grass? Spikes. Egress.
[5:10:11] >> No, maybe it was that I
[5:10:12] sent grab samples, ok, could
[5:10:13] you repeat that? Because that
[5:10:15] was not clear. Could you
[5:10:16] repeat that sentence of that
[5:10:17] paragraph or that bullet point
[5:10:33] about whatever the grab was?
[5:10:38] >> So what I spoke on for that
[5:10:42] task was that the alternative
[5:10:43] monitoring scenarios were
[5:10:46] submitted in MAY and included
[5:10:46] pricing 2 for the city to
[5:10:51] procure the equipment. And the
[5:10:54] most cost-effective option was
[5:10:54] chosen much us to perform
[5:10:55] monthly grab samples at the
[5:10:58] harbor as opposed to the
[5:10:58] continuous monitoring,
[5:11:03] deployed at the yellow man.
[5:11:03] >> grab sample. That's like a
[5:11:06] snapshot in time. It's one
[5:11:10] place one man, it or extended
[5:11:11] period of time or describe
[5:11:16] what a grab sample. Collects.
[5:11:19] >> Sure. So, yes, that's just
[5:11:23] a a snapshot and timely. It's
[5:11:24] kind of like the continuous
[5:11:25] monitoring sensors that were
[5:11:26] deployed on the yellow man.
[5:11:27] But it's slightly smaller
[5:11:32] suite of sensors. So it
[5:11:35] temperature, conductivity and
[5:11:35] salinity dissolved oxygen, ph
[5:11:40] and 2. But e and so that would
[5:11:41] be one time samples that we
[5:11:46] put those. Sensors. And where
[5:11:47] near the element in that
[5:11:51] general vicinity. And we would
[5:11:51] take readings from the surface
[5:11:52] and near the bottom of the
[5:11:54] water column and water column
[5:11:56] at that location. What about
[5:12:01] once a month?
[5:12:05] >> So lets the validity of a
[5:12:06] one time sample once a month
[5:12:10] versus. Continual 24, 7
[5:12:11] monitoring. What's the value
[5:12:16] of the data?
[5:12:20] >> It does allow you to still
[5:12:21] evaluate changing conditions
[5:12:21] over a long time period. You
[5:12:26] just don't have that. That
[5:12:28] fine temporal scale to really
[5:12:31] get into daily fluctuations.
[5:12:32] So, you monthly monitoring is
[5:12:36] typically used by as part of
[5:12:38] water, quality monitoring
[5:12:39] programs on a bigger scale
[5:12:39] because they're looking at
[5:12:41] data over a long period of
[5:12:43] time. And so if you collect
[5:12:46] the data at the same time. Are
[5:12:48] at the same place. Each time
[5:12:51] you can look at any changes or
[5:12:51] variability and water quality
[5:12:55] at that location. It just
[5:12:56] doesn't give you that finds
[5:13:00] killed what's happening our to
[5:13:02] and we you know, we do
[5:13:02] recognize that this isn't as
[5:13:03] comprehensive as it continues
[5:13:06] monitoring would be. We are
[5:13:09] just going off of the city's
[5:13:10] decision to implement this
[5:13:12] type of sampling because it
[5:13:14] was a more cost-effective
[5:13:16] option to bridge that gap
[5:13:18] between what happened before
[5:13:20] and thank you. While we work
[5:13:22] to get the continuous
[5:13:23] monitoring implemented. So
[5:13:25] we're still we still have data
[5:13:26] that can be used again over
[5:13:30] the long term scale in the
[5:13:31] meantime. So it's still better
[5:13:32] than not having any monitoring
[5:13:36] it. All.
[5:13:39] >> And I think my last
[5:13:39] question is,
[5:13:41] >> if the monitoring of the
[5:13:46] harbor began in MARCH and its
[5:13:47] monthly. It would seem like
[5:13:48] you have 6 months worth of
[5:13:52] data collected.
[5:13:53] >> Now it to sampling itself
[5:13:54] did not begin in MARCH. MARCH
[5:13:59] is when we submitted the plan
[5:14:01] to reinstate the monitoring.
[5:14:02] So monitoring is still waiting
[5:14:05] to begin until the equipment.
[5:14:05] This procurement, as Patrick
[5:14:09] just spoke
[5:14:13] >> So even though Rizzo Qs
[5:14:14] have are monitoring is under,
[5:14:17] were completed to date. The
[5:14:17] monitoring of the harbor
[5:14:22] really hasn't resumed yet.
[5:14:23] >> Right, right. So that whole
[5:14:25] it's not that that whole task
[5:14:25] is completed. It's just that
[5:14:27] we have completed some work on
[5:14:27] that task, which is why I
[5:14:31] included it on that thing.
[5:14:32] >> Okay. Went you're waiting
[5:14:33] on the city to buy the
[5:14:34] equipment and then you'll
[5:14:35] start during the monitoring
[5:14:35] and then you'll give us
[5:14:40] monthly reports. I'm
[5:14:43] impatient. I
[5:14:47] >> I one say it is too, if I
[5:14:48] clarify that continued
[5:14:50] continuous monitoring
[5:14:53] equipment. I believe the
[5:14:55] college had the ability 2
[5:14:57] place it on a dashboard with
[5:14:59] the public in real time could
[5:15:01] see the results. Is that what
[5:15:02] we're going to include as well
[5:15:06] in the equipment? Think that
[5:15:07] would be a really wonderful
[5:15:10] thing. If the public could
[5:15:14] see, you know what? What the
[5:15:14] data is as well as you know,
[5:15:21] the scientists.
[5:15:22] >> Ashley clarifies the grab.
[5:15:23] Sampling would be able to
[5:15:24] provide that sort of gators or
[5:15:25] something or to continue
[5:15:28] monitor and can do.
[5:15:28] >> Oh, I see, ok? So, yeah.
[5:15:34] That was. That dashboard. A
[5:15:35] specific to the continuous
[5:15:38] monitoring equipment to look
[5:15:40] includes a telemetry system
[5:15:40] that uploads data real time to
[5:15:43] the dashboard. If and we do
[5:15:46] get that. The equipment to
[5:15:50] deploy on a man. It will
[5:15:50] include that dashboard and
[5:15:51] will be available for public
[5:15:55] data. Viewing the grab
[5:15:57] sampling that we're doing
[5:15:59] currently wouldn't have that
[5:16:00] dashboard, but we could work
[5:16:04] on developing a product to at
[5:16:04] least have those results
[5:16:11] available easily. Perhaps on
[5:16:11] your website that people could
[5:16:13] go and view the data. Great.
[5:16:16] Thank you, commissioner
[5:16:16] mascot.
[5:16:19] >> Thank you, MR. Yes, I I
[5:16:20] asked the same question, the
[5:16:20] vice mayor and a#
[5:16:20] #
[5:16:21] . And I was
[5:16:21] told that equipment had not
[5:16:27] been purchase. So but I. More
[5:16:28] impatient. The new
[5:16:30] commissioner. That's just I
[5:16:31] don't even know what question
[5:16:33] to ask. Accept.
[5:16:37] >> What would it take?
[5:16:39] >> To go back to continuous
[5:16:40] monitoring at the yellow man
[5:16:44] like the college was doing. We
[5:16:44] got and I was at that meeting
[5:16:45] where Dr Rice was presenting
[5:16:49] some of those findings. And
[5:16:50] that was, you know, it really
[5:16:51] felt like we were fulfilling
[5:16:54] our obligations under Chapter
[5:16:55] 80 and fulfilling our
[5:16:56] obligations to our residents
[5:16:57] and our visitors, frankly, you
[5:17:02] know, I I think that there's
[5:17:03] more of an appetite for more
[5:17:04] testing in the harbor. I think
[5:17:06] there's an appetite now for
[5:17:07] more knowledge of what's going
[5:17:13] on and we are I would say that
[5:17:15] this commission is that as it
[5:17:17] is is comprised is is, you
[5:17:18] know,
[5:17:20] >> more eager to get things
[5:17:20] moving.
[5:17:21] >> Along and I was hoping to
[5:17:24] have something.
[5:17:28] >> More than just pa data that
[5:17:30] we would have something in the
[5:17:31] water because we have started
[5:17:32] in MARCH with with stantec and
[5:17:33] this is and I don't think it's
[5:17:37] a stantec small. I think it's
[5:17:39] just the slow-moving of how
[5:17:39] government works in the city
[5:17:41] and we had things going so I'd
[5:17:44] like to know maybe for next
[5:17:45] commission meeting what it
[5:17:47] would take for us to get back
[5:17:49] to the level of testing that
[5:17:51] the college was doing
[5:17:52] regardless of thinks of who
[5:17:52] canceled Walker, whatever
[5:17:55] letter I want to get back to
[5:17:56] that. I want to know what that
[5:17:58] would cost. And if that is
[5:18:00] within you know, the budget
[5:18:04] for 2027. Agreed that I can
[5:18:08] add to that.
[5:18:10] >> His staff working with our
[5:18:13] lobbyists to identify funding.
[5:18:15] For such continuous
[5:18:16] monitoring, not just in the
[5:18:19] harbor, but at the beaches. So
[5:18:21] in other words, how do we
[5:18:22] know? You know what the source
[5:18:26] of the e-coli us? You have to
[5:18:29] have continuous monitoring his
[5:18:31] dog. Is it a on? A is a
[5:18:32] chicken? Is it the shallow
[5:18:34] injection wells? How do we
[5:18:35] know was in our storm water
[5:18:39] system? We will only know if
[5:18:40] we have the continuous
[5:18:40] monitoring system. That's the
[5:18:42] only way I think they have the
[5:18:46] data. So the question is. Do
[5:18:49] we are we connecting staff
[5:18:54] with our legislative agenda
[5:18:55] for for this purpose. Is that
[5:18:56] on going? Because I think
[5:18:56] we're going to need more
[5:18:57] money. So that sounds like to
[5:19:03] me.
[5:19:07] >> What we can do is obviously
[5:19:07] Todd is the spearhead of our
[5:19:09] legislative. I believe he's
[5:19:11] either met with each one of
[5:19:11] you are provided our
[5:19:13] strategies going up into the
[5:19:17] new year. So we will make sure
[5:19:17] that we incorporate that into
[5:19:19] strategies. Excellent. Okay,
[5:19:20] sir. Bringing bringing it back
[5:19:21] to the commission.
[5:19:25] Commissioner Yeah. Well.
[5:19:26] >> You know, it sounds like
[5:19:26] you look bunch of malarkey to
[5:19:28] me. All this. You know, let's
[5:19:29] get off the pot and get going
[5:19:33] here. You get done. The second
[5:19:34] thing I want to ask is where
[5:19:35] is the equipment that was
[5:19:38] purchased by the city Key
[5:19:40] West? How much is What did it
[5:19:42] cost? And where is the
[5:19:42] physical location of
[5:19:45] equipment? That's the first
[5:19:45] question we need to answer
[5:19:48] here. Then the second question
[5:19:50] is this thing has been batted
[5:19:53] around and batted around. I
[5:19:54] got hit on it on all the
[5:19:56] things that elections, things.
[5:19:57] And telling you, there's
[5:20:01] nothing to hide. There's
[5:20:02] nothing to hide. Let's find
[5:20:03] out what is going on with the
[5:20:05] water and the city. Key West.
[5:20:08] No, you're near shore. Waters,
[5:20:08] ok, pat, worse, the equipment.
[5:20:16] Do you know?
[5:20:16] >> a return to the college
[5:20:18] equipped to test the testing
[5:20:18] equipment. This equipment that
[5:20:21] I hear that was taken out and
[5:20:22] the city's property. Where is
[5:20:24] that? Houses can speak to that
[5:20:28] was not here for So this was
[5:20:31] sorry. Hello, Allison against
[5:20:31] Atlanta. Motor.
[5:20:32] >> That was back when we had
[5:20:37] to manage or a medical often.
[5:20:38] >> of the equipment and it is
[5:20:41] still in use under the second
[5:20:42] epa grant. That's uk is still
[5:20:44] running the areas that we
[5:20:47] asked for, which was out of
[5:20:47] Mount Rushmore looking for
[5:20:49] oxybenzone off the beaches and
[5:20:52] looking at sucralose off of
[5:20:54] the boat areas. It is in use.
[5:20:56] It was not was at the yellow
[5:20:58] man member who was still here
[5:20:59] then. But they brought that
[5:21:01] big long tube, of art was
[5:21:03] talking about. We bought half
[5:21:05] of it. It isn't used as part
[5:21:06] of the second epa grant. They
[5:21:09] are still collecting data on
[5:21:09] that. Parts that were at the
[5:21:12] Elm and where but through
[5:21:13] their grant, Stu still have
[5:21:17] it. We asked if we purchase it
[5:21:19] back from them. But the price
[5:21:21] that between them was about
[5:21:24] $2000 and it was 2 year old
[5:21:25] equipment. So as better
[5:21:25] despite even having morning
[5:21:30] tea. And that's the press that
[5:21:30] we brought brought back in
[5:21:31] MARCH. Well, what's the total
[5:21:34] cost of this equipment to have
[5:21:35] it?
[5:21:37] >> We have a cost factor here.
[5:21:37] What is the The cost was what
[5:21:38] we brought back in MARCH,
[5:21:41] which was 46,000. The
[5:21:41] equipment. 46, dozens who are
[5:21:44] setting up here, but doing
[5:21:47] this. And it's only $46,000 to
[5:21:48] all right. We've got more
[5:21:52] enough to pay for it. Second
[5:21:54] thing is thank you very much.
[5:21:55] Second thing is I think the
[5:21:59] residents of this community.
[5:21:59] >> Her second target run
[5:22:00] around on this whole issue
[5:22:03] house and I love you. Respect
[5:22:05] to it's time dies, gets
[5:22:06] together here. And let's get
[5:22:09] this answered. I know that
[5:22:11] when I said on previous
[5:22:12] commissions, we found out that
[5:22:15] a lot over there by White
[5:22:16] Street pier. It was a lot
[5:22:19] water runoff from the bird
[5:22:20] sanctuary. Okay. So there's a
[5:22:20] lot of things that are going
[5:22:23] on here and play at our low
[5:22:27] said about ballast tank,
[5:22:28] things in scrubbers. And I
[5:22:31] know that all those things.
[5:22:31] I'd really like to know what's
[5:22:35] there. Ok? And we need to get
[5:22:37] this are make a motion that
[5:22:38] this should be done as soon as
[5:22:41] possible. And I'd like to have
[5:22:43] a second. That's amazing.
[5:22:47] Thank you, Commissioner Rossi.
[5:22:48] >> yet have a new
[5:22:49] commissioner. That's for sure.
[5:22:53] Okay. But what we were told by
[5:22:53] the manager is that it's in
[5:22:57] process. So I don't know that
[5:22:59] we need a motion, but I so it
[5:23:00] is the date that the process,
[5:23:01] when is it going to come to
[5:23:04] fruition? This is what
[5:23:04] >> customers in our voters
[5:23:06] want to know, ok? So I have a
[5:23:09] I have a motion purchase the
[5:23:11] equipment I don't know. Can
[5:23:11] can staff give us some
[5:23:14] guidance and what what the
[5:23:17] motion should say, MR. Mayor
[5:23:17] action item.
[5:23:18] >> It's not actually you're
[5:23:19] right. So we can't do that. We
[5:23:20] can up Commissioner Aussie up.
[5:23:22] We're getting ahead of
[5:23:24] ourselves. I love you. I love
[5:23:26] the enthusiasm. With you 100%
[5:23:28] what I think we have to do is
[5:23:31] put this on the agenda OCTOBER
[5:23:32] as this is set for discussion
[5:23:35] item, then it's another 15, 30
[5:23:37] days yet time certain let's
[5:23:38] get it on U.S. Figure out
[5:23:39] where we're going here. What
[5:23:44] we're doing that right? Team?
[5:23:45] >> Everybody that. It's a
[5:23:46] We're seeing some
[5:23:47] disagreement. I think among
[5:23:48] staff. Let's hear from
[5:23:52] >> MR. Maher and Commission,
[5:23:53] thank you.
[5:23:55] >> What I would encourage in
[5:23:58] if you allow an opportunity
[5:23:59] for our team, I believe that
[5:24:00] we have the necessary
[5:24:05] leadership tonight to bring an
[5:24:07] item to the SEPTEMBER 10th
[5:24:07] meeting. So it would not
[5:24:09] necessarily require us waiting
[5:24:10] to another commission meeting.
[5:24:10] I think it would be more
[5:24:13] appropriate on the 10th
[5:24:14] because this is now a budget
[5:24:16] adjustment. Gives us an
[5:24:17] opportunity to understand
[5:24:18] where to take this additional
[5:24:19] funds from a real talent.
[5:24:22] Kate, if this is a direction,
[5:24:24] so if you give us that
[5:24:25] opportunity, our planner, our
[5:24:25] team's plan and I'm speaking
[5:24:28] for our team that we will
[5:24:31] bring a recommendation to be
[5:24:33] viewed by this commission for
[5:24:34] inaction decision. I just want
[5:24:36] the think, yes, that's
[5:24:36] perfect. And I'll get to
[5:24:37] commissioner has going
[5:24:37] Commissioner Carey. But but
[5:24:39] could that also?
[5:24:41] >> Include what I understood.
[5:24:44] We don't have the money, but
[5:24:45] what it would cost for
[5:24:46] continuous monitoring at the
[5:24:49] beaches. Just to know what the
[5:24:52] costs would be. And I
[5:24:53] understand that we do because
[5:24:54] what Commissioner Ross, he was
[5:24:55] saying about why Streep here,
[5:24:59] we would need to know how
[5:24:59] protect our waters on that
[5:25:02] side of the island as well. So
[5:25:07] let me say one other thing.
[5:25:08] The testing is this testing
[5:25:11] done after race or before a
[5:25:12] storm? Because all know that
[5:25:14] the storm sores.
[5:25:17] >> Our storm water goes into
[5:25:18] the water. So that's a whole
[5:25:22] nother issue in itself, too.
[5:25:23] You know, I want to make
[5:25:27] things clear and concise. You
[5:25:27] know, if we have apples, we
[5:25:30] got apples and guards who
[5:25:31] guards.
[5:25:32] >> It has to you know, is it
[5:25:35] before storm after storm? You
[5:25:38] know what you're suggesting
[5:25:40] there, ice, MR. MISTER I love
[5:25:40] the Commissioner, Rob
[5:25:42] Missouri. See, this is great.
[5:25:42] >> Pat, I think we got it.
[5:25:47] Brother. So a few things. Some
[5:25:50] of what we just providing
[5:25:51] context, ok, cause some of us
[5:25:54] are playing catch-up,
[5:25:55] including myself. My
[5:25:57] understanding was there was a
[5:25:58] scope of work during an rfp
[5:26:00] process that was awarded to
[5:26:00] Stan Tech. Some of the
[5:26:04] conversation was that. That
[5:26:07] manifested into a larger
[5:26:09] dollar amount. So I want to be
[5:26:10] very clear that I really I'm
[5:26:11] leaning towards our legal
[5:26:13] department. What you're asking
[5:26:16] us to bring forward require
[5:26:19] anything other than tonight's
[5:26:20] leadership in your mind does
[5:26:21] require because of the dollar
[5:26:25] amount that you are at. I'm
[5:26:27] sorry, should I So I just know
[5:26:29] that there was there was a
[5:26:31] pause in the moment at that
[5:26:32] particular meeting as it
[5:26:35] pertains to what was rfp
[5:26:36] process and then what was
[5:26:39] brain brought forward for 0 in
[5:26:39] Dallas. And am I missing
[5:26:43] anything with that? So just
[5:26:43] know that some of the pause
[5:26:45] was that was that it was in
[5:26:47] relation to the integrity of
[5:26:50] the rfp process and then how
[5:26:51] that would be viewed it. Now
[5:26:53] we are now adding additional
[5:26:53] funding outside of That
[5:26:56] initial scope.
[5:26:58] >> And if I can add to that
[5:27:00] end, Mayor cough, and I think
[5:27:01] you remember you and I have a
[5:27:04] little dialogue about this. I
[5:27:05] was not around when this
[5:27:08] original rfp was put together,
[5:27:09] but it was a series of
[5:27:12] individual eyes tasks so many
[5:27:14] modifications were made by the
[5:27:15] commission that there is
[5:27:19] really no longer contract. So
[5:27:19] you had stand tech in good
[5:27:20] faith said, Do you want us to
[5:27:24] do abc, d e?
[5:27:25] >> Okay. Here's what I will
[5:27:26] be. Hers will be. We'll But
[5:27:28] then the commission kept
[5:27:29] modifying each and every one
[5:27:33] of abc d e and so finally we
[5:27:38] gave the guidance to the
[5:27:40] manager's office that it was
[5:27:42] with his signing authority to
[5:27:45] purchase the equipment. So
[5:27:47] that stand tech could do the
[5:27:50] testing. Other words, you were
[5:27:50] called there was resolution
[5:27:53] that did not pass on trying to
[5:27:55] get a pricing for the
[5:27:59] equipment. And so that's why
[5:28:00] your where you are management
[5:28:04] was trying to go ahead and get
[5:28:07] the equipment in hand. So that
[5:28:07] stand tech could perform the
[5:28:10] rest of the tasks that just
[5:28:11] got, you know, the commission
[5:28:14] wanted to give advice and
[5:28:16] guidance. But when you do
[5:28:17] that, operationally, you know,
[5:28:19] it can it can create delays.
[5:28:22] That's number one. Number 2, I
[5:28:23] would just request that you
[5:28:24] ask your staff to do the best
[5:28:27] it can to get and idea of
[5:28:28] costs. Obviously, if you're
[5:28:30] going to have a provider,
[5:28:32] provide continuous monitoring,
[5:28:33] you're going to have to go
[5:28:33] through the procurement
[5:28:37] process to do that. So just a
[5:28:40] small modification to the way
[5:28:40] you said the and that's really
[5:28:44] intended for legislative
[5:28:45] agenda. We need to know what,
[5:28:47] what is that? To do a really
[5:28:48] comprehensive water quality
[5:28:49] program. What what is the real
[5:28:51] cost? I think that's what
[5:28:52] ceasing.
[5:28:53] >> how do we get this? How do
[5:28:56] we get this to be a really
[5:28:58] impactful water quality
[5:28:59] testing so they get the actual
[5:29:01] steps to correct the problem.
[5:29:04] The beaches to to monitor the
[5:29:05] harbor to actually have good
[5:29:06] results. And that's what the
[5:29:07] commissioner is saying, right?
[5:29:09] You're governmental affairs.
[5:29:12] People can also probably
[5:29:12] reassess.
[5:29:15] >> Liaising with the epa to
[5:29:16] see.
[5:29:16] >> Because, of course, you
[5:29:17] remember this is a federal
[5:29:18] issue and then a state issue
[5:29:22] and the local issue. And
[5:29:23] sometimes those things
[5:29:25] restrict what we can do on the
[5:29:27] local issue. But on the other
[5:29:27] hand, the state and the feds
[5:29:28] have a lot more money and
[5:29:30] equipment and ability to do
[5:29:31] things. So that's another
[5:29:33] thing. Sometimes governmental
[5:29:35] affairs can put together.
[5:29:38] Funding asked based on seeing
[5:29:40] what state the e p and what
[5:29:40] the federal epa can do. Said
[5:29:42] that you can shortcut some of
[5:29:45] the costs and timing.
[5:29:46] >> want to call in
[5:29:48] Commissioner Carey
[5:29:49] Commissioner Some of those
[5:29:50] still holding the afterwards.
[5:29:51] Thank you, Commissioner Okay.
[5:29:54] Thank you, MR. Mayor, few
[5:29:55] questions, Allison, they're
[5:29:59] probably going to be for you
[5:30:02] okay, first of all, I know the
[5:30:03] community is hungry to know
[5:30:04] what is going on right in the
[5:30:07] waters. Is there not a litany
[5:30:09] of water testing going on by
[5:30:11] million different places right
[5:30:12] now, the health department,
[5:30:13] the county sounds like c f k
[5:30:17] is also testing. So there is
[5:30:18] water quality testing going on
[5:30:20] on many different levels by
[5:30:23] many different entities. That
[5:30:24] correct.
[5:30:25] >> As you heard from Ashley,
[5:30:27] they have collected 113,000
[5:30:28] data points. They are all
[5:30:31] looking at different things in
[5:30:32] different places. The intent
[5:30:33] of us collecting all the state
[5:30:36] to look where there are gaps
[5:30:37] or to look the most important
[5:30:37] part is to figure out where we
[5:30:41] do have problems come up with
[5:30:43] actions that would reduce
[5:30:44] those problems and then be
[5:30:46] able to monitor that. We did
[5:30:47] actually make a change. So it
[5:30:49] makes no sense to monitor for
[5:30:51] monitoring sake. We want to
[5:30:53] make changes, but we do
[5:30:54] currently have monitoring
[5:30:57] going on with results of that
[5:30:58] monitoring.
[5:30:58] >> In different things for
[5:31:00] different places. Yes, 113
[5:31:01] data points. And I think at
[5:31:02] some point we said we have 30
[5:31:04] years worth of data. Alright,
[5:31:10] that's okay. Is there
[5:31:11] somewhere? Is there an
[5:31:12] opportunity for the city to
[5:31:15] provide a To me? Those results
[5:31:17] aren't a secret right? Their
[5:31:19] public, they are shared. So
[5:31:20] there's a lot of information
[5:31:22] on water quality that we can
[5:31:23] share with the public is just
[5:31:26] spread out all over the place.
[5:31:27] So that's a fun thing with raw
[5:31:28] data is it's hard to actually
[5:31:28] know what any of that means.
[5:31:31] It's dots and numbers, but
[5:31:34] that's the whole point of
[5:31:35] task. One is in the summer.
[5:31:35] You guys are going to get a
[5:31:36] technical memo that summarizes
[5:31:39] all that data and what is
[5:31:43] known generally from that as
[5:31:43] well as what are potential
[5:31:45] options are. But we don't need
[5:31:46] equipment for that. That
[5:31:46] doesn't cost us anything. That
[5:31:50] data analysis. Could have
[5:31:53] started 2 years ago 3 years
[5:31:54] ago. It started when we just
[5:31:58] decided to run this program we
[5:31:59] hired them to start looking at
[5:31:59] that comprehensively for our
[5:32:06] island. The testing that is
[5:32:08] currently going on some of
[5:32:09] that testing. Does give us the
[5:32:12] source of the contaminants.
[5:32:13] It's testing specifically for
[5:32:14] whether it's coming from birds
[5:32:19] are coming from. We didn't do
[5:32:20] one those 20 years ago. That
[5:32:21] was Every single one looks for
[5:32:23] something different. But so
[5:32:25] you might if they are
[5:32:27] specifically looking for human
[5:32:29] contaminants, they're looking
[5:32:32] at But we don't at this point
[5:32:36] way to know whether we know
[5:32:37] easy way to know what all the
[5:32:39] sources of the fecal
[5:32:40] contaminants are, because one
[5:32:43] of our main problems would be
[5:32:44] green iguana. And that doesn't
[5:32:45] exist because it's a purely
[5:32:46] south Florida problem. So that
[5:32:50] was one of our asks is, hey,
[5:32:51] can we get full flight? What
[5:32:53] might be in our water? And
[5:32:57] that's what we asked epa for.
[5:32:57] That's some of the tests are
[5:32:59] identifying what the
[5:32:59] contaminants are. Its
[5:33:02] presence. Depends on what
[5:33:03] you're looking for. But if
[5:33:05] you're looking for fecal,
[5:33:06] that's the only thing that the
[5:33:08] beach testing looks for. The h
[5:33:10] does, but its presence
[5:33:11] absence. It's not a it's not
[5:33:20] what or where. And what or
[5:33:21] there is And the other
[5:33:24] question was so the so cfp is
[5:33:26] currently conducting testing
[5:33:26] with the equipment that we pay
[5:33:31] for half of. That that deal
[5:33:31] was part of the second epa
[5:33:35] grant that they got and they
[5:33:36] are of that deliverable is
[5:33:38] they've been looking at
[5:33:41] hydrogen sulfide off of Mount
[5:33:43] Trashmore. It isn't looking at
[5:33:46] loose around the a boat
[5:33:47] moorings and they've been
[5:33:51] looking at and at the beaches,
[5:33:53] I don't believe underwater
[5:33:54] vessels using all 3 of those
[5:33:54] spots. And it definitely is
[5:33:55] used for about trash normally.
[5:33:57] And those results are they're
[5:34:00] still so just like we had the
[5:34:01] the very first up, a one
[5:34:02] started 3 years ago. We'll
[5:34:02] probably know about it next
[5:34:08] year. And maybe there's a way
[5:34:10] to provide this letter from cf
[5:34:10] cases. I think we heard 2
[5:34:13] speakers saying that it keeps
[5:34:14] coming up and coming up. And
[5:34:14] this is like a 2 year-old
[5:34:18] problem now. But but it does
[5:34:20] matter because it keeps coming
[5:34:22] up. And we had 2 speakers both
[5:34:22] representing safer, cleaner
[5:34:24] ships saying that it matters
[5:34:26] to them and we have the dias
[5:34:26] talking about it. So I think
[5:34:28] it does matter. People are
[5:34:29] asking about it and talking
[5:34:32] about it. But there is a
[5:34:35] letter with signatures on it
[5:34:36] that we all have access to
[5:34:39] that says very clearly. I
[5:34:40] don't know MR. Benson wants a
[5:34:40] copy of it like that might
[5:34:44] help you. But it says it very
[5:34:45] clearly here signed by
[5:34:48] Brittany Cider. Referencing
[5:34:50] Drg that they want absolutely
[5:34:51] nothing to do with it. They
[5:34:52] withdraw from any further
[5:34:54] negotiations like it's. It's
[5:34:57] it's it's a up thing. It's
[5:34:59] real. So maybe there's a way
[5:34:59] to put it to that by sharing
[5:35:03] it the public. Why the car? I
[5:35:05] mean, I think it matters with
[5:35:07] Item to play again. What's can
[5:35:09] bite them to play again,
[5:35:11] perhaps. But under a new
[5:35:11] commission and was a new
[5:35:14] PRESIDENT. You know, because
[5:35:15] the PRESIDENT That was there's
[5:35:17] the one that said you don't
[5:35:18] want anything to do with the
[5:35:22] city So perhaps. I would just
[5:35:23] think that all of the testing
[5:35:24] that's currently going on the
[5:35:26] 30 years of data, the 112 data
[5:35:28] points we keep collecting in
[5:35:29] collecting and collecting
[5:35:30] information for a very long
[5:35:33] period of time. But we still
[5:35:34] can't tell people why they
[5:35:34] can't take their kids to the
[5:35:38] beach. We can't say it's a
[5:35:39] chicken problem. We can't say
[5:35:42] it's an Elon a problem. So. We
[5:35:43] will bring the dollar figure
[5:35:48] to you next month. Great book.
[5:35:50] All could I'm sorry, Burrows
[5:35:56] missed MR. Mayor. Committed to
[5:36:00] the 10th. So yes, the will be.
[5:36:01] >> the newspaper will read
[5:36:03] that. We do have those numbers
[5:36:04] already because they part of
[5:36:05] the grant. That's what I pluck
[5:36:08] a feel comfortable that the
[5:36:08] information you're asking at
[5:36:12] least cursory outside of the
[5:36:13] legislative directive. We're
[5:36:14] be able to produce at the
[5:36:16] 10th. And if we're unable able
[5:36:18] to that's good.
[5:36:19] >> I just want to say
[5:36:22] something as Mayor Drg a fine
[5:36:28] man. Drg was a great leader of
[5:36:29] the college and he shouldn't
[5:36:32] be disparaged by the stylus.
[5:36:34] To say that he wanted nothing
[5:36:34] to do with the city is not
[5:36:35] appropriate. With all due
[5:36:38] respect. It's just that the
[5:36:41] words are words matter and
[5:36:43] individuals deserve respect
[5:36:44] and he's not here to defend
[5:36:47] himself. Just want to say, I
[5:36:48] think we should treat each
[5:36:49] other with respect. I'm not
[5:36:51] saying I'm not. Casting
[5:36:54] anything us you're you could
[5:36:54] be right. But I think we
[5:36:57] should be careful with how we
[5:36:59] speak and when you have
[5:37:01] somebody who's not specially
[5:37:03] night here and a man who has
[5:37:03] done so much for our
[5:37:06] community, we should. We
[5:37:10] should be mindful of that. So
[5:37:11] moving the next I think a
[5:37:14] mission that school. Yes.
[5:37:17] Thank you, MR. Mayor.
[5:37:24] >> Circling back to Seas
[5:37:25] >> please to, you know, get
[5:37:30] something done. Now and and
[5:37:32] then we started talking about
[5:37:32] doing different stuff in the
[5:37:37] future. But right now. I
[5:37:39] believe we could we could have
[5:37:40] resolution at the next meeting
[5:37:42] to buy the $46,000 worth of
[5:37:43] equipment. We could have. That
[5:37:44] is back up. I don't think we
[5:37:49] really need that. I think that
[5:37:50] manager has within his
[5:37:53] purview. He can spend $46,000
[5:37:55] without asking us for our
[5:37:57] approval. He can spend up to
[5:37:57] $100,000.
[5:38:00] >> Without asking us for our
[5:38:01] approval. I think he's getting
[5:38:03] direction that yeah, we want
[5:38:04] we want to buy that piece of
[5:38:07] equipment for the harbor
[5:38:08] monitoring. Now out of this
[5:38:10] fiscal year's budget,
[5:38:12] preferably and then we do want
[5:38:16] to look into next year having
[5:38:18] a more robust testing system
[5:38:19] with different equipment. And
[5:38:22] I do is stand tax contract.
[5:38:24] When is that a one-year
[5:38:27] contract? So whenever well,
[5:38:28] whenever it renews our, if we
[5:38:29] we know that think a lot for
[5:38:31] fp again, you know, to add it
[5:38:33] to add more deliverables to
[5:38:35] that. But for now, we could
[5:38:37] get the the 46,000 get the
[5:38:43] point in time. Grab sampling
[5:38:43] started. It's not great, but
[5:38:47] it's better than nothing. And
[5:38:48] then we can go on to develop a
[5:38:51] to purchase a more robust
[5:38:53] system. I just want to say,
[5:38:55] look, this is a this is our
[5:38:56] first water quality
[5:38:57] presentation and discussion in
[5:38:58] almost 2 years.
[5:39:01] >> So let's take the win that
[5:39:02] we had a good meeting and we
[5:39:03] had a good discussion and
[5:39:04] staff.
[5:39:06] >> I think that a lot of
[5:39:08] direction. So and I so I
[5:39:09] really think what you're
[5:39:09] saying, Commissioner Haskell
[5:39:11] and see a spot on and they
[5:39:12] have, I think the direction
[5:39:16] enough for tonight. And
[5:39:16] OCTOBER and SEPTEMBER 10th is
[5:39:17] only 7 days from now. We're
[5:39:18] going to get a lot more from
[5:39:20] that. Okay. Anybody else who
[5:39:23] hasn't had a chance yet. 2.
[5:39:27] Nearly a year. Okay. I anybody
[5:39:28] else than who was already had
[5:39:29] a chance to speak, want to
[5:39:32] speak. Now that I think we can
[5:39:32] move on to the next item.
[5:39:34] Thank you so much for your
[5:39:35] presentation. Your hard work.
[5:39:37] We really appreciate it.
[5:39:37] >> Thank commissioner. At the
[5:39:44] time. Okay. We'll move on to
[5:39:46] resolutions. Item number. 46
[5:39:47] approving pet perpetual
[5:39:48] easement donations to the
[5:39:49] state of Florida Department of
[5:39:53] Transportation for Parcel 800
[5:39:55] and 801 associated with fdot
[5:39:55] Project f and number fought
[5:39:59] for 5, 4, 101, dash one
[5:40:00] authorizing the mayor to
[5:40:02] execute the perpetual easement
[5:40:03] documents donation forms and
[5:40:04] any necessary related
[5:40:06] documents upon the advice and
[5:40:10] consent of the city attorney.
[5:40:11] Ok, my first cause as usual
[5:40:14] hearing.
[5:40:17] >> Is because it's not quite
[5:40:19] >> I'm not sure how that got.
[5:40:21] Is simply okay. Good. That's
[5:40:24] not my first grants for of
[5:40:25] investment interest pursuant
[5:40:28] to the state meeting 400 feet
[5:40:29] and 300 square feet to put a
[5:40:31] mask storm soaking part of
[5:40:34] this project. I know it got
[5:40:34] denominated that but we don't
[5:40:35] need take. Testimony really
[5:40:39] just your approval to proceed.
[5:40:42] It's a condition of fdot.
[5:40:44] Participation and half funding
[5:40:45] mess. MADAM City attorney, I
[5:40:46] do not have to have a quasi
[5:40:47] judicial hearing that it's
[5:40:50] perfectly ok with me. So is
[5:40:53] there at your teeth next is
[5:40:55] there a or the next or the
[5:40:56] next item? Yeah. So what is
[5:40:58] there a?
[5:40:58] >> Presentation from staffers?
[5:40:59] Are we in a motion? How should
[5:41:03] we proceed? MR. Maher at and
[5:41:04] for the sake of not bringing
[5:41:05] that up by this is the Jose
[5:41:08] more team at. I think familiar
[5:41:09] with the one of the
[5:41:11] requirements for the fdot
[5:41:13] project. And don't think it
[5:41:14] needs a presentation. Any
[5:41:15] discussion or a motion. Second
[5:41:19] here. Okay. I heard Vice Mayor
[5:41:20] Lee make the motion and
[5:41:21] Commissioner Ross the second.
[5:41:24] Is there discussion. Is this
[5:41:26] question, please? Yes, go
[5:41:29] ahead, MR. Commissioner, a He
[5:41:33] microphone. We're working with
[5:41:36] fdot on a transfer of some
[5:41:37] property.
[5:41:38] >> Down by Jose Marti Park. Is
[5:41:42] that correct? Truman Avenue?
[5:41:44] >> to give them an easement
[5:41:46] easement small is in area. So
[5:41:49] but you hear this one. So I
[5:41:50] have no problems with that.
[5:41:54] But at the same time, I'd like
[5:41:57] work basement problem to get a
[5:41:57] sign says welcome City Key
[5:42:01] West right there Triangle.
[5:42:01] Okay. We're doing. We're doing
[5:42:04] easement with these people. We
[5:42:05] should be able to give a
[5:42:08] little and take a little. It's
[5:42:12] simple. I think we should try
[5:42:14] it. So this enunciate we just
[5:42:18] want to put signed bat.
[5:42:19] Everybody. That's my district.
[5:42:20] 2 commissioner. He represents
[5:42:21] me. I live in District 2.
[5:42:23] Thank you.
[5:42:25] >> Thank Commissioner Austin.
[5:42:26] Were given these safely you
[5:42:27] know, do little here. And
[5:42:32] there make everybody happy. I
[5:42:33] it. It's great for Mister
[5:42:37] Mayor, thank See it. You ask.
[5:42:38] And it's been delivered. We we
[5:42:40] have an easement for the
[5:42:41] welcome signs good. What we're
[5:42:43] waiting on now is we brought a
[5:42:44] rendering. It was said that it
[5:42:47] looked like a tombstone.
[5:42:48] >> So what we've ip to do is
[5:42:50] to bring back another
[5:42:52] recommendation. So they
[5:42:54] acquiesced. This is actually
[5:42:55] for the lift station and part
[5:42:56] of the controls for the
[5:43:00] traffic light so. But we have
[5:43:01] an easement for our welcome
[5:43:01] sign and arca by sign. Thank
[5:43:05] you for coming. And we feel
[5:43:06] very comfortable to sell you
[5:43:07] that we're going to be
[5:43:08] bringing a recommendation to
[5:43:11] the OCTOBER meeting for that.
[5:43:11] >> Good. Thank you. Because
[5:43:15] it's been a long time I agree.
[5:43:15] >> Ok, getting back to
[5:43:16] appreciate that. Commissioner.
[5:43:19] Also take you. But getting
[5:43:19] back to the number. 46, we
[5:43:24] have we have a motion anymore
[5:43:25] discussion. Can we call the
[5:43:27] roll Commissioner Carey yet?
[5:43:28] Commissioner Casteel? Yes,
[5:43:29] commissioner Haskell. Yes.
[5:43:31] Commissioner commissioner
[5:43:32] mascot. Yes. Commissioner Ross
[5:43:33] Sea. Yes. Mayor Coffman. Yes.
[5:43:39] Motion passes. Item number. 47
[5:43:40] approving an easement
[5:43:41] agreement for the property
[5:43:44] located at 5.18, Fleming
[5:43:45] Street Key West, Florida to
[5:43:47] memorialize the existing
[5:43:48] encroachment of a second story
[5:43:48] balcony in a portion of the
[5:43:49] existing building into city
[5:43:51] owned right of way.
[5:43:53] >> Along Fleming Street and
[5:43:55] Bahama Street consisting of
[5:43:57] approximately 167.2 0 square
[5:43:59] feet within the historic
[5:44:00] residential commercial core
[5:44:01] zoning district providing
[5:44:03] conditions of approval
[5:44:04] authorizing execution of the
[5:44:07] easement agreement. And this
[5:44:11] is a quasi judicial I will
[5:44:11] swear in my first quasi
[5:44:14] judicial hearing, everybody
[5:44:15] taking ones excited, providing
[5:44:16] testimony. Do you swear or
[5:44:17] affirm the testimony you will
[5:44:18] give tonight will be the
[5:44:19] truth, the whole truth and
[5:44:21] nothing but the truth.
[5:44:22] >> Okay. Is there a
[5:44:29] presentation by the applicant?
[5:44:32] >> be little bit Make a motion
[5:44:33] to approve.
[5:44:33] >> Yes, appreciate that. But
[5:44:34] there is we have to go through
[5:44:38] the mechanisms. Okay. Is there
[5:44:41] that the the presentation by
[5:44:41] applicant?
[5:44:42] >> Yes, Good evening, MR.
[5:44:43] Mayor Commissioners, Lisa
[5:44:47] Quixote. 21 Simon to see, I
[5:44:48] appreciate that. This is a
[5:44:49] very straightforward easement
[5:44:51] request for a property located
[5:44:52] in the historic district. A
[5:44:53] very small portion of the
[5:44:54] property currently in Comber
[5:44:59] is incumbent. And cumbersome a
[5:45:00] portion of the public right of
[5:45:02] way. So that easement is very
[5:45:03] simply to allow the property
[5:45:04] to be maintaining its current
[5:45:06] condition with the general
[5:45:08] conditions that are proposed
[5:45:08] being met and the applicant
[5:45:09] has no objections to those
[5:45:12] general conditions. Happy to
[5:45:14] answer any questions. Great.
[5:45:14] Thank you. Is there a
[5:45:16] presentation by staff? Yes.
[5:45:20] Thank you, MISTER Mayor Taylor
[5:45:21] Brown, the city planner.
[5:45:24] Welcome to the new members by
[5:45:25] way of introduction, I am
[5:45:28] Taylor bound, but probably
[5:45:29] even those of you have not
[5:45:31] met. Probably know that
[5:45:33] because I'm not to brag, but
[5:45:34] I'm a little bit famous in
[5:45:35] these parts because I have a
[5:45:37] unique distinction that
[5:45:39] throughout all the land or at
[5:45:40] least all the continental
[5:45:42] United States. I am solely the
[5:45:49] southernmost city planner.
[5:45:51] See, we're bringing fun back
[5:45:52] to city Hall. I was I was
[5:45:52] going to compliment you on
[5:45:55] your speech during your
[5:45:56] swearing in. That was the part
[5:45:56] of your speech that resonated
[5:45:58] most with me. And I'm here.
[5:46:01] I've got 2 in that So getting
[5:46:04] to the business at hand, the
[5:46:06] easement is for 5.18, Fleming
[5:46:10] Street Lisa said, it's it's a
[5:46:12] very straight forward small
[5:46:13] request. There's about any
[5:46:15] that's been there for a long
[5:46:17] time. But it does hang over
[5:46:20] the city's right of way and
[5:46:24] just by way of process as as
[5:46:25] things come in as we we review
[5:46:26] a new development proposals
[5:46:27] were trying to bring the
[5:46:28] properties into compliance as
[5:46:31] much as possible. So this is
[5:46:31] just one of those cases, this
[5:46:34] properties being redeveloped
[5:46:37] coffee shop is going to go in
[5:46:38] there. And so anyway, where
[5:46:40] we're just squaring this way
[5:46:43] at the encroachment is about
[5:46:45] 167 square feet. It's mostly
[5:46:46] the balcony, although there is
[5:46:47] a little tiny sliver on the
[5:46:50] corner of the building that
[5:46:50] also encroaches. But it's very
[5:46:55] negligible. The code gives the
[5:46:55] city commission the right to
[5:46:59] grant these easements. And
[5:47:01] there is a an annual cost goes
[5:47:01] with it depending on the size
[5:47:04] of the easement for this
[5:47:05] particular one. It's going to
[5:47:11] be about $400 year. You can
[5:47:13] see here on the survey just
[5:47:16] the portion. That's the 167
[5:47:17] square feet that's hanging
[5:47:17] over the city sidewalks. So
[5:47:21] it's it's above. And this is a
[5:47:22] picture of the building and
[5:47:28] said Balcony. It's been the
[5:47:30] worst kept secret in town that
[5:47:30] babies coffee is going to be
[5:47:32] the new tenant and haven't
[5:47:35] been now. So I'm not to I'm
[5:47:36] not giving away another. Yeah.
[5:47:39] They opened nari. That's not
[5:47:40] already public. I know
[5:47:40] everybody's pretty excited
[5:47:45] about that. So the staff
[5:47:47] recommendation is approval.
[5:47:49] There were a number of
[5:47:50] conditions in the staff report
[5:47:51] that we would like you to
[5:47:54] adopt as part of that. The
[5:47:56] resolution before incorporates
[5:47:57] that language and I can take
[5:47:59] any questions that you MAY
[5:48:01] have. I'll second the motion,
[5:48:01] ok? We're almost there, guys.
[5:48:06] We're getting there.
[5:48:07] >> Is there any questions for
[5:48:10] staff? Okay. So moving on, is
[5:48:10] there is there public comment
[5:48:12] in favor of the application?
[5:48:14] No one has signed up. Okay. Is
[5:48:15] there public comment in
[5:48:18] opposition to the application?
[5:48:21] Going once going twice? So
[5:48:23] okay. Now we have a motion.
[5:48:26] The a motion by Rossi seconded
[5:48:28] by Commissioner Castillo. And
[5:48:30] does that include all the
[5:48:30] conditions that in the the
[5:48:31] staff report? Conditions set
[5:48:32] forth. Okay, anymore.
[5:48:37] Discussion. Ok, would you
[5:48:38] please call the roll? That
[5:48:41] Commissioner Carey yet
[5:48:42] commissioner Casteel. Yes,
[5:48:44] commissioner Haskell. Yes,
[5:48:45] commissioner Lee. Yes, MR. A
[5:48:47] mascot. Yes.
[5:48:50] >> see, yes. Mayor Coffman.
[5:48:51] just want.
[5:48:52] >> Applause. These people.
[5:48:52] They really did a beautiful
[5:48:54] job done. There. Clean that
[5:48:58] building up the man my hats
[5:48:59] off to you, but a lot of money
[5:49:00] into that place. So watch it
[5:49:01] remodeled and thank you for
[5:49:02] cleaning up an eyesore down on
[5:49:04] fun. And sir.
[5:49:04] >> And thank you as Nice to
[5:49:07] see you. Thank you. Ok, moving
[5:49:11] on, mix it up. 48 U.S.
[5:49:12] Withdrawal number. 49,
[5:49:13] requesting in postponed to
[5:49:15] OCTOBER. 1st there, a motion
[5:49:20] they Motion by See second by
[5:49:20] Commissioner Casteel all those
[5:49:22] in favor. Aye. Any opposed
[5:49:26] hearing. None motion carries
[5:49:26] ordinances. First reading an
[5:49:27] ordinance of the city
[5:49:28] Commission of the City of Key
[5:49:29] West Florida to amend portions
[5:49:31] of division. One.
[5:49:33] >> Generally and to license
[5:49:34] license of Chapter 18
[5:49:38] businesses. Article 6 mobile
[5:49:39] vendors of the code of
[5:49:40] ordinances of the City of Key
[5:49:41] West Florida amending Section
[5:49:46] 18 Dash 2.87 section 18 dash
[5:49:49] 3, 1, a one, a 2, a 4 in a 8
[5:49:53] section, 18 dash 3 to 0 b
[5:49:56] section 3.21 c Section b and c
[5:50:00] section 18 dash 3.23 amending
[5:50:01] Section 18 Dash 3. 24 14 15
[5:50:06] and adding Section 18 dash 3.
[5:50:07] 24 16 through 22 and amending
[5:50:10] section 18 Dash 3, 2, 5, a
[5:50:10] through d of the code of
[5:50:12] ordinances of the city of Key
[5:50:15] West Florida to strengthen
[5:50:16] enforcement provisions,
[5:50:18] specifically address nuisance
[5:50:19] behavior, harassment and
[5:50:20] suspected drug and criminal
[5:50:21] related activity. Ensure
[5:50:22] public safety and update city
[5:50:24] code to align with current
[5:50:26] in-house procedures providing
[5:50:27] for severability, providing
[5:50:28] for repeal of in consistent
[5:50:29] provisions providing for an
[5:50:33] effective date.
[5:50:35] >> Earlier commissioner
[5:50:36] Castillo said there wasn't
[5:50:38] something with this item that
[5:50:40] we should be alerted to. Is
[5:50:40] that something that we should
[5:50:45] hear? First, 4? There was some
[5:50:48] issue rules that was in the.
[5:50:52] >> The actual ordinance I gave
[5:50:57] downed one of the one of the
[5:51:00] mobile vendors and the and the
[5:51:05] concerned citizen. Comments
[5:51:07] about what was already in
[5:51:09] here. Some of the language
[5:51:13] should have been changed to 2
[5:51:14] new language. And I spoke to
[5:51:16] city staff and they say it
[5:51:16] won't be a problem. The
[5:51:22] postpone Can we hear from the
[5:51:23] city legal? That's right. The
[5:51:26] commissioner gave us some.
[5:51:26] >> Questions about language
[5:51:27] that we haven't had a chance
[5:51:30] to take a look out. The intent
[5:51:32] was to incorporate the new
[5:51:34] state statutes that allow for
[5:51:36] cement. The commissioners rise
[5:51:37] that right that we picked up
[5:51:41] some staff language reference
[5:51:42] to particular mobile, a vendor
[5:51:46] that we shouldn't have done.
[5:51:47] And so what we would suggest,
[5:51:49] is if you're ok with the
[5:51:51] concept we can make the
[5:51:53] changes and, you know, we can
[5:51:54] do a guy on second re right to
[5:51:54] say that. Yes, but you can
[5:51:58] still have see. That's right,
[5:52:02] ok, we'll we'll look at your
[5:52:03] commissioner. And if we need
[5:52:04] to talk will will let you
[5:52:06] know, but will make whatever
[5:52:06] corrections we think are deals
[5:52:09] will have time between now and
[5:52:10] OCTOBER one, right? But it
[5:52:11] change the intent overall to
[5:52:11] so go ahead and move for
[5:52:15] parole. Second. Okay. I have a
[5:52:16] motion from commissioner
[5:52:17] Castillo and second from
[5:52:17] Commissioner Carey. Is there
[5:52:22] more discussion?
[5:52:25] >> Hearing none of is the most
[5:52:28] dramatic to approve to both
[5:52:28] discussion. MISS The first
[5:52:33] read it. We can't make any
[5:52:34] cook. It will come back to you
[5:52:35] for second reading. If we need
[5:52:37] to make corrections.
[5:52:38] >> We can still do that even
[5:52:42] though it's been advertise
[5:52:44] right? Okay. MADAM Clerk,
[5:52:46] please read call. The Roll
[5:52:47] Commissioner Carey. Yes,
[5:52:47] commissioner Christine.
[5:52:48] Commissioner Haskell. Yes.
[5:52:52] Commissioner. Yes.
[5:52:53] Commissioner mascot. Yes.
[5:52:53] Commissioner Ross Sea. Yes.
[5:52:55] Mayor Coffman. Yes. Motion
[5:52:57] passes. Ordinances. Second
[5:53:01] reading. Item number 51,
[5:53:02] ordinance of the city
[5:53:03] Commission of the City of Key
[5:53:05] West, Florida, amending
[5:53:06] section 58 Dash 6, 6, of the
[5:53:07] code of ordinances of the city
[5:53:09] of Key West Florida.
[5:53:09] >> To amend the solid waste
[5:53:13] dumping fear, tipping c tire
[5:53:14] waste disposal fee and
[5:53:14] recyclable materials tipping
[5:53:17] fee for Key West residents.
[5:53:18] Commercial establishments and
[5:53:20] licensed businesses providing
[5:53:22] for severability, providing
[5:53:22] for repeal of inconsistent
[5:53:23] provisions providing for an
[5:53:28] effective date. Ok? Mayor
[5:53:29] apologized its second reading.
[5:53:30] No changes.
[5:53:31] >> Okay. Is there a motion
[5:53:33] move for approval?
[5:53:34] Commissioner Kaseya makes the
[5:53:38] motion. Is there a second?
[5:53:39] Commissioner mascot makes the
[5:53:40] second. Is there more any
[5:53:41] discussion? Questions front?
[5:53:46] C? I can't Can't wait for
[5:53:48] this. Say couples a car.
[5:53:52] Businesses Mike.
[5:53:53] >> tell you more money for
[5:53:56] second most for business. Some
[5:53:57] of those They're up. A lot of
[5:53:57] money for recyclables are
[5:53:59] ready. We'll be honest with
[5:54:03] you. I you know, I have that I
[5:54:08] recycle hive.
[5:54:08] >> I could say I think isn't
[5:54:12] this the item where? Vice
[5:54:12] Mayor Lee asked that it be
[5:54:13] reduced and that businesses
[5:54:18] want to know. Remember when
[5:54:18] they want to 10%. With that,
[5:54:20] we went down to 5%. That's not
[5:54:24] the summit MR. Mayor.
[5:54:25] >> That is not particularly
[5:54:29] this item. That is the the
[5:54:30] sludge and the that's what
[5:54:31] you'll be seeing. Those that's
[5:54:34] not this particular this. I if
[5:54:39] you allow me, see, this is a I
[5:54:39] don't know if the correlation
[5:54:40] and Matt, you're here,
[5:54:41] correct. Can you stretch those
[5:54:46] lakes? I don't necessarily
[5:54:48] believe the correlation is
[5:54:49] recycling for business inches.
[5:54:50] But give me a moment. I
[5:54:54] thought this was single.
[5:54:56] Recycle, but go ahead and have
[5:54:56] half right. Right meant is
[5:54:57] that we're going to tell you
[5:54:58] our have correct mission for
[5:55:00] us.
[5:55:00] >> Good evening. Mayor
[5:55:04] commissioners. I'm going to
[5:55:04] kind regroup just a little
[5:55:10] bit. This feat is for the
[5:55:11] tipping the out at the
[5:55:13] transfer station, which Waste
[5:55:13] Management also operates off
[5:55:17] of that. In years past. We
[5:55:19] just raise that typically by
[5:55:24] cbi as a hold Throughout the
[5:55:24] last couple years. The
[5:55:25] different items have varied
[5:55:29] with the market. And, you
[5:55:31] know, we're trying to be
[5:55:32] cognizant of not raising any
[5:55:33] more than necessary, will
[5:55:36] still capturing all the
[5:55:37] revenue that we need to and
[5:55:37] being very transparent. All
[5:55:38] the different types of
[5:55:42] streams. Being recycling with
[5:55:43] the recent contract for hall
[5:55:47] out. We paid for recycling now
[5:55:49] where we had not before. So in
[5:55:54] the the cover memo. There's a
[5:55:55] breakdown of the percentage
[5:55:56] increase for each recycling
[5:55:59] reach a waste stream.
[5:56:01] Recycling. Yes, is a much
[5:56:03] larger cost because it was
[5:56:03] free before it's not free
[5:56:09] anymore. Tires is also
[5:56:10] increase. And that's just to
[5:56:11] pass through costs. We only
[5:56:12] collect enough to pay for the
[5:56:17] disposal of those yard waste
[5:56:19] 0% appliance metals and
[5:56:23] tipping is 0. The regular
[5:56:26] trash. Solid waste is a 5%
[5:56:27] increase which match the
[5:56:29] earlier resolution from a
[5:56:29] couple of months. That's
[5:56:30] that's what I was rep. That's
[5:56:32] what I was remembering is the
[5:56:33] 5%.
[5:56:33] >> And that's for the help.
[5:56:36] That's for house. The
[5:56:36] household items, correct? Case
[5:56:43] rates. Okay. Commercial, the
[5:56:45] debate, the big commissioner
[5:56:46] Ross. He's point the big issue
[5:56:47] really is the 37%.
[5:56:52] >> But that's for the private.
[5:56:52] Wright is an effort for
[5:56:53] bringing this. That's for
[5:56:57] that. Private person bringing
[5:56:57] the recyclables to that the
[5:57:01] transfer station. Yes.
[5:57:02] >> As well as waste management
[5:57:05] sets their commercial rates
[5:57:08] based on this fee structure.
[5:57:11] So, yes, you'll be charged. By
[5:57:14] waste management for your
[5:57:16] commercial account based on on
[5:57:17] these and these are only set
[5:57:18] to capture enough to pay the
[5:57:21] haul out. From Rockland up to
[5:57:22] the mainland.
[5:57:28] >> He's already paid now. Yes,
[5:57:29] as a business man. Yes, yes,
[5:57:30] you you paid waste management
[5:57:31] for a collection right now.
[5:57:34] You're going to pay for
[5:57:38] collection and processing. Was
[5:57:39] no processing fee before there
[5:57:41] is now processing or disposal.
[5:57:46] Sometimes
[5:57:51] >> Is there more discussion?
[5:57:53] We already and we get we have
[5:57:54] a motion. No more discussion.
[5:57:56] Please call the Roll.
[5:57:58] Commissioner Carey. Yes.
[5:57:59] Commissioner Castillo,
[5:58:00] commissioner Haskell. Yes,
[5:58:02] commissioner Lee. Yes.
[5:58:03] Commissioner mascot. Yes.
[5:58:05] Commissioner Ross Sea Merrick
[5:58:08] Yes, motion passes. Item
[5:58:09] number. 52, an ordinance of
[5:58:10] the city Commission of the
[5:58:12] City of Key West, Florida,
[5:58:12] amending the code of
[5:58:13] ordinances. Chapter 2 article
[5:58:16] 3 Division, 12 Entitle Parks.
[5:58:17] >> And Recreation Board.
[5:58:19] Repealing ordinance number. 22
[5:58:21] dash. 21 and abolishing the qs
[5:58:22] Parks and Recreation Advisory
[5:58:25] Board renaming Division 12 as
[5:58:27] public input on parks and
[5:58:29] Recreation Matters. Amending
[5:58:31] section 2, Dash 6, 1, 0, to
[5:58:32] Reserve Center section
[5:58:33] amending section 2, Dash 6, 1,
[5:58:35] 1, to establish an informal
[5:58:36] process for public input on
[5:58:38] parks and recreation matters
[5:58:40] to be hosted by the Parks and
[5:58:42] Recreation Department.
[5:58:43] Amending section 2, Dash 6, 1,
[5:58:44] 2, to revise the duties of the
[5:58:46] community services director in
[5:58:47] connection therewith reserving
[5:58:50] sections. 2 Dash 6, 1, 3, 2,
[5:58:52] Dash, 6, 1, 5, providing for
[5:58:55] repeal of inconsistent
[5:58:55] provisions providing for
[5:58:56] severability, providing for
[5:58:57] codification, providing for an
[5:59:01] effective date. Yes, MRS.
[5:59:02] >> MISTER Mayor, this is
[5:59:04] second reading with changes
[5:59:04] and I believe Kendall
[5:59:09] delineate the changes.
[5:59:11] >> Yes, MR. Mayor
[5:59:12] commissioners commissioner has
[5:59:15] school asked to. And provision
[5:59:21] under. Excuse me. Section 2,
[5:59:23] Dash 6, 1, 1, It would be an
[5:59:25] added sense to after the first
[5:59:27] sentence are the only sentence
[5:59:29] and that current paragraph it
[5:59:30] just it would read this
[5:59:32] process show include comment
[5:59:33] at a minimum, comma, a public
[5:59:33] meeting held on a quarterly
[5:59:36] basis. So ultimately you
[5:59:37] didn't originally provide for
[5:59:38] any specific. It time frame
[5:59:42] for workshops to be held.
[5:59:42] Commissioner Haskell asset,
[5:59:49] some type of minimum be sent.
[5:59:50] >> Other than that, no change.
[5:59:52] Okay. So I I just want to ask
[5:59:55] if there if there would be
[5:59:56] court for postponement, I
[5:59:58] would like to know that
[6:00:00] because I and my that's my
[6:00:02] position that the full new
[6:00:06] commission vote on this. And
[6:00:08] my my thought is that if next
[6:00:08] commission want to have a
[6:00:11] parks and recreation board, it
[6:00:11] would create a lot more work
[6:00:14] for. The legal department to
[6:00:17] create another one. So I would
[6:00:20] ask if there's support for
[6:00:21] that. Great. That's not all
[6:00:25] except will of the commission
[6:00:27] commissioner have school. What
[6:00:29] do you lead on this? So in
[6:00:31] your district?
[6:00:35] >> I would like I was thinking
[6:00:35] about making a motion and I
[6:00:36] will make a motion to postpone
[6:00:42] this indefinitely. And it. I
[6:00:43] did vote for the first time
[6:00:46] around. So I am I am changing
[6:00:46] my mind on this. And I did ask
[6:00:48] for that addition in the
[6:00:52] ordinance. But that's that's
[6:00:55] not enough. We've heard a lot
[6:00:56] today. A lot of conversation
[6:00:56] about value and the importance
[6:01:02] of continuity. We are in
[6:01:03] period of change were changing
[6:01:05] commissioners. We have a new
[6:01:06] dynamic today when NOVEMBER
[6:01:07] rolls around. We'll have
[6:01:10] another new dynamic. So I
[6:01:15] think dissolving aboard just
[6:01:17] for dissolving a board does
[6:01:18] not really benefit the
[6:01:20] community. I would like to see
[6:01:20] the park's and rec board
[6:01:21] continue to meet. I would like
[6:01:23] to see them add public
[6:01:25] workshops. It doesn't have to
[6:01:27] be an either or situation that
[6:01:30] public workshops that we have
[6:01:32] had have been very fruitful. I
[6:01:34] think very productive. There
[6:01:34] was one on hate speech after
[6:01:38] secure the property and there
[6:01:40] was good participation even
[6:01:41] though it you know, time of
[6:01:45] day for the public. With the
[6:01:46] there was a lot of people
[6:01:48] representing people who swam
[6:01:49] people who go to the dog park,
[6:01:51] people who play pickleball
[6:01:55] like Esther City. So and the
[6:01:56] staff listened. And, you know,
[6:01:57] they said, yes, we'll we'll do
[6:01:59] this. That's a good idea. Yes,
[6:02:00] will put the doggie bags back
[6:02:07] in the park. That's been done.
[6:02:10] So I would say for now I make
[6:02:11] a motion to postpone saying it
[6:02:12] definitely. Thank you very
[6:02:15] much. Okay.
[6:02:16] >> On them on the motion to
[6:02:18] postpone. Is there discussion?
[6:02:20] Commissioner Carey and then
[6:02:21] commissioner mascot. Thank
[6:02:24] you, MR. Mayor. Didn't the
[6:02:24] board vote to dissolve
[6:02:28] themselves? They decided not
[6:02:31] to continue right?
[6:02:33] >> MISTER Mayor Commissioner
[6:02:34] Carey. Yes, this originated
[6:02:34] from the Parks and rec board
[6:02:40] itself. So I think there's a
[6:02:41] backstory more of a back story
[6:02:41] on that. I don't think we have
[6:02:44] to get into that right now.
[6:02:45] >> right now the question is
[6:02:50] postponement. And the question
[6:02:52] is whether or not the full
[6:02:52] next to me, whether the
[6:02:53] commission should have the
[6:02:54] opportunity instead of
[6:02:57] recreating the board. Why not
[6:02:59] postpone this for Woods just 2
[6:03:00] months or 3 because they will
[6:03:03] have a full new board. But
[6:03:04] because if you if we say if we
[6:03:05] say in definitely the problem
[6:03:09] with that is, if there's a
[6:03:11] board in our ordinances, they
[6:03:13] have to meet right thing they
[6:03:13] haven't yet. They have to make
[6:03:14] it. And you know, they can
[6:03:15] come up with ideas for the
[6:03:20] workshops insist more staff
[6:03:22] support. I I think, you it's
[6:03:24] been kind of ineffective the
[6:03:25] last couple of years. But
[6:03:28] prior to that.
[6:03:28] >> There were many good things
[6:03:29] that came out of the Parks and
[6:03:32] Recreation board. The concept
[6:03:34] actually scheduling the sports
[6:03:35] fields came out of the Parks
[6:03:38] and Recreation board. There
[6:03:40] was up much fruitful
[6:03:40] conversation about that
[6:03:43] transfer of hate speech years
[6:03:46] ago. This was in like 2000 to
[6:03:51] I mean, 2022 2024, that it was
[6:03:54] dropped from their agenda. So
[6:03:56] when it finally came to us,
[6:03:56] you know, the final transfer.
[6:04:01] It had not gone to the court.
[6:04:02] So I I think that there's been
[6:04:05] a lot of new members when
[6:04:06] you're You kind of waited for
[6:04:08] a couple months to see, you
[6:04:08] know what to do. Don't know
[6:04:13] what to do. You know, I it has
[6:04:14] not been effective. I would
[6:04:18] like to see it get more robust
[6:04:20] staff support to be more
[6:04:22] effective of the community
[6:04:24] services department is I think
[6:04:25] the second largest budget in
[6:04:26] the city next to the police
[6:04:30] department and my right the
[6:04:34] end that they deserve to have
[6:04:35] some support from the
[6:04:37] community in terms in terms of
[6:04:38] the board where they can
[6:04:39] bounce around ideas and get
[6:04:41] some direction.
[6:04:44] >> Ok, so we have a motion to
[6:04:44] postpone and I agree with
[6:04:45] everything you just said.
[6:04:48] Commissioner Haskell, did you
[6:04:49] what will you next
[6:04:51] commissioner wants?
[6:04:52] >> Well, I just wanted to say
[6:04:53] that, you know, I was told by
[6:04:56] the city manager that. Part of
[6:04:56] the problem, the park's and
[6:04:58] rec board was that maintaining
[6:04:59] a quorum and that, you know,
[6:05:03] hard. Getting people to
[6:05:06] volunteer for something. You
[6:05:07] know, we have to give the
[6:05:10] board real direction and a
[6:05:11] real, you know, use and like
[6:05:11] the scheduling of the fields
[6:05:16] is something that but the
[6:05:17] design of the King's speech
[6:05:18] Bayview Park. We have to give
[6:05:20] them real direction and, you
[6:05:21] know, a real reason to show up
[6:05:23] for these boards. So, you
[6:05:25] know, I support postponement.
[6:05:27] I was very hesitant to want
[6:05:30] abolish the parks and
[6:05:33] recreation when we do figure
[6:05:34] out what to do that we really
[6:05:37] do need to give it a real, you
[6:05:41] know,
[6:05:41] >> Commissioner mascot, you
[6:05:44] probably have strongest
[6:05:45] interest in maintaining this
[6:05:48] And the reason is is because
[6:05:49] if it goes away, guess who's
[6:05:52] convening all the workshops
[6:05:53] for beach just instead of
[6:05:53] having a parks and rec board
[6:05:54] where they would should be
[6:05:57] doing it. So in any case.
[6:05:59] We're here, postponement only
[6:06:01] commission of Vice Mayor want
[6:06:01] to speak.
[6:06:02] >> I was just going to say for
[6:06:03] whatever it's worth, I can
[6:06:05] support them. Postponement
[6:06:06] Hill, DECEMBER JANUARY, but
[6:06:10] not indefinitely.
[6:06:10] >> commissioner care have a
[6:06:12] legal question. So if we
[6:06:15] they're required to meet. But
[6:06:17] they don't want to meet.
[6:06:22] What's happening. You're
[6:06:25] saying legally, if we have a
[6:06:26] board there are he is in
[6:06:26] effect for doesn't one lesson
[6:06:28] until you change the ordinance
[6:06:29] requirement that they need,
[6:06:30] they're going to have to try
[6:06:31] to meet with they.
[6:06:34] >> Said to you is they can't
[6:06:34] get enough participation
[6:06:40] direction. Quorum and they use
[6:06:43] staff time and all that. So so
[6:06:45] the clerk with wonder you to
[6:06:46] the if you're going to
[6:06:47] postpone says we have
[6:06:48] advertising issue, if you
[6:06:52] could live with DECEMBER the
[6:06:53] DECEMBER meeting MAY be asking
[6:06:58] staff to propose. All
[6:07:00] alternative way to accomplish
[6:07:01] this so that you're not going
[6:07:05] on indefinitely. And then we
[6:07:07] we tell the board that they
[6:07:08] have to continue doing what
[6:07:10] they're doing. But it's
[6:07:11] probably not going to be very
[6:07:12] effective because that's why
[6:07:14] they brought this up
[6:07:18] themselves. Yes, and
[6:07:19] >> What I think we should task
[6:07:21] them with looking at speech.
[6:07:22] But that's not on the agenda
[6:07:22] today. So let's but let's keep
[6:07:24] that in mind. Commissioner
[6:07:27] mascot. Ok? So we have a
[6:07:30] motion to postpone. Can we say
[6:07:30] till DECEMBER if if the who
[6:07:36] made mayor resettled JANUARY,
[6:07:37] ok, just to give it another
[6:07:38] month. And, you know, a new
[6:07:39] commission they would giving
[6:07:39] the staff time to figure out
[6:07:41] how we're going to constant.
[6:07:42] >> To deal with get okay. Who
[6:07:47] made the motion me? You okay.
[6:07:48] Uk with okay. So it's a it's
[6:07:49] motion to postpone until
[6:07:51] JANUARY. Can we call okay to
[6:07:56] call the roll? Police called.
[6:07:56] >> Commissioner Carey,
[6:07:58] Commissioner Castillo
[6:07:59] commissioner Haskell. Yes,
[6:07:59] commissioner Lee. Yes.
[6:08:00] Commissioner mascot. Yes.
[6:08:02] Commissioner Ross Sea Mayor
[6:08:04] Coffman's. Motion. Citizen
[6:08:07] comments. We have. Madeline
[6:08:20] bomb signed up. Hello again. I
[6:08:21] am Pastor Metal inbound of Qs,
[6:08:24] United Methodist Church. And I
[6:08:25] come before you this evening
[6:08:28] representing the key West and
[6:08:28] lower Keys, interfaith
[6:08:31] ministerial Alliance. Some of
[6:08:32] my colleagues are also here
[6:08:35] with me this evening. The I am
[6:08:38] has submitted to to this
[6:08:42] commission, a statement. And
[6:08:43] various media outlets have
[6:08:44] also received that statement
[6:08:47] regarding the crisis we face
[6:08:47] in our immigrant community
[6:08:50] here in Key West. I realize
[6:08:52] that this has been a long and
[6:08:52] somewhat emotional day filled
[6:08:56] with important work for this
[6:08:57] city and that the subject to
[6:08:58] bring before you is not on the
[6:09:01] agenda. However, I'm not sure
[6:09:03] what can be more important
[6:09:04] than the safety and well-being
[6:09:08] of our neighbors. In the last
[6:09:09] month. Dozens and dozens of
[6:09:10] immigrants have been detained
[6:09:11] by immigration off the
[6:09:14] searchers. With the assistance
[6:09:18] of kw pd. Almost all were
[6:09:19] taken while working working or
[6:09:22] driving to work. One was taken
[6:09:26] as they left church. Most of
[6:09:27] them had work authorization
[6:09:28] and we're following the legal
[6:09:30] process to be in this country
[6:09:34] and it did not protect them.
[6:09:35] In JULY of 2025. The Commish
[6:09:36] this Commission voted twice on
[6:09:40] this question. Once to
[6:09:42] authorize the deputy is ties.
[6:09:44] Ation of our police officers
[6:09:46] as immigration agents under
[6:09:48] 2.87 g agreement and then to
[6:09:50] decline to all to join other
[6:09:50] Florida cities and challenging
[6:09:51] the state's demand that it do
[6:09:57] so. We do not fall. The local
[6:09:58] police officers who serve us,
[6:09:59] they are carrying out a
[6:10:01] policy. This commission
[6:10:03] adopted and we continue to
[6:10:04] rely on them for the safety of
[6:10:07] our congregations. Enter
[6:10:08] streets. However, many members
[6:10:11] of our immigrant community are
[6:10:12] experiencing very real fear
[6:10:15] and uncertainty right now.
[6:10:15] People are afraid to go to
[6:10:19] work or school. Many are
[6:10:20] struggling financially.
[6:10:20] Businesses in Key West are
[6:10:23] beginning to experience
[6:10:24] staffing shortages and Haitian
[6:10:28] church in our community has
[6:10:28] now suspended in-person
[6:10:32] worship services. With the
[6:10:33] ending of Haitian temporary
[6:10:34] protected status on JULY 27th
[6:10:38] of this year are Haitian
[6:10:39] neighbors are facing
[6:10:39] deportation back to an unsafe
[6:10:42] country. Where is the humanity
[6:10:46] in any of this treatment as
[6:10:47] people of faith, this
[6:10:48] treatment of our immigrant
[6:10:49] neighbors is antithetical to
[6:10:50] everything we believe and
[6:10:54] teach. The I am a calls for
[6:10:56] this commission to take steps
[6:10:59] to cancel the 2.87 g Agreement
[6:11:01] that essentially allows our
[6:11:02] local police to be deputized
[6:11:06] as ice agents. We know that
[6:11:07] this commission initially
[6:11:08] voted in JUNE of 2025. To
[6:11:11] avoid this agreement and that
[6:11:12] it reversed course only after
[6:11:14] the attorney general
[6:11:14] threatened commissioners with
[6:11:18] 3 mobile from office. We do
[6:11:19] not accept that threat to be
[6:11:23] lawful. Please at a minute. We
[6:11:24] also asked for a statement
[6:11:26] from our city government
[6:11:27] denouncing the harassment. Our
[6:11:28] immigrant neighbors are
[6:11:30] experiencing at the hands of
[6:11:31] ice and Border Patrol agents
[6:11:33] here in Key West. Our
[6:11:35] neighbors need us to take a
[6:11:37] stand. People are being taken
[6:11:40] every day and we must stop
[6:11:41] facilitating this inhumanity.
[6:11:49] Thank you. Thank you so much.
[6:11:50] It's no one else signed up
[6:11:55] move to commissioner comments.
[6:11:56] Commission comments. Monica, I
[6:11:57] Mean, Commissioner Haskell,
[6:12:02] thank you. Real quick. Its
[6:12:03] behooves each commissioner to
[6:12:04] look at your appointment to
[6:12:07] the park's and rec board. And
[6:12:08] if that is a person who has
[6:12:10] had has a hard time making 2
[6:12:11] meetings.
[6:12:11] >> Or a hard time. Speaking
[6:12:14] up. Appoints somebody else.
[6:12:19] It's your it's your job. Yes,
[6:12:20] commissioner, to see you.
[6:12:24] Again. I want to say
[6:12:25] congratulations to Mark u n
[6:12:28] Chris Job. Thank campaign
[6:12:31] everything. I like to
[6:12:34] accommodate.
[6:12:38] >> Anybody in And it's been an
[6:12:39] issue with the federal
[6:12:41] government. I don't know how
[6:12:45] long. I don't know what means
[6:12:48] we have to what we can do
[6:12:49] without getting in trouble.
[6:12:51] Getting. Put out of office.
[6:12:55] But I think some should be
[6:12:57] looked into that. We can reach
[6:13:01] somebody frightening for the
[6:13:08] specially out local. Again
[6:13:08] when you look at the work
[6:13:12] force in this hopedale
[6:13:16] restaurants laundrie. Parking.
[6:13:21] Every They are everywhere and
[6:13:22] not only just Haitian Venice
[6:13:27] Wayland. Mexican. We have a
[6:13:36] real workforce here. That's
[6:13:37] represented bowel. But the tps
[6:13:42] involved. I just think this
[6:13:44] this something could be done.
[6:13:48] It just can't be. We just sit
[6:13:50] back and just let it happen.
[6:13:51] It's shameful. The other day
[6:13:56] when. That guy's so son was on
[6:13:59] the wall. What about tenders?
[6:14:01] And they arrested this fall
[6:14:01] that being they let him out.
[6:14:02] But, you know, that was pretty
[6:14:05] embarrassing near in Key West.
[6:14:09] The son serving in the Navy on
[6:14:18] to the Lincoln. You know, so.
[6:14:21] I don't know my my my crash go
[6:14:22] out to the Columbia in Israel
[6:14:23] everywhere that there's
[6:14:26] trouble, you know, I just
[6:14:26] feel, you know, is it's never
[6:14:36] enough. Commissioner mascot.
[6:14:37] >> I was just going to say
[6:14:39] thank you to pastor from for
[6:14:41] for that. There's only so many
[6:14:42] things you can accomplish in
[6:14:43] one meeting. I would
[6:14:47] definitely like to see us at
[6:14:47] the OCTOBER meeting at the
[6:14:48] very least have a discussion
[6:14:52] item and what we can do here
[6:14:54] every every incident that I
[6:14:54] hear every video that I
[6:14:58] watched everything that's and
[6:14:59] happening, every business
[6:14:59] owner that talked to about
[6:15:00] somebody is being has been
[6:15:03] taken. Breaks my heart and we
[6:15:06] have to be able to, you know,
[6:15:08] at the very least, discuss it
[6:15:09] and make sure that our
[6:15:10] residents know that we are
[6:15:13] aware and then we care. I know
[6:15:17] this is my first meeting. So I
[6:15:19] I want residents and my
[6:15:20] constituents to know that I am
[6:15:22] very aware and I care and
[6:15:23] we're not going to forget,
[6:15:23] forget them and our immigrant.
[6:15:32] So thank you. Comment on this.
[6:15:32] >> I had 2 great and sty in
[6:15:35] the Holocaust. I grew up in
[6:15:38] immigrant household. And all
[6:15:41] of my family wood. Remember.
[6:15:45] The St. Louis? For those of
[6:15:45] you don't know that what the
[6:15:48] St. Louis was. It was a ship
[6:15:49] of 900 Jews that were sent
[6:15:50] back. So this is reminiscent
[6:15:54] of that. We have to do
[6:15:57] something. We have to be smart
[6:16:00] and strategic about it. You
[6:16:01] can't be ignoring the
[6:16:05] sanctuary city statute. That
[6:16:08] is a big hurdle to overcome.
[6:16:09] That's why people like me and
[6:16:10] people in this room are
[6:16:10] fighting this so hard last
[6:16:15] summer. In any case, my
[6:16:16] thought is the mayor's office
[6:16:17] is going to wait until the
[6:16:20] elections in NOVEMBER. Because
[6:16:20] the elections in NOVEMBER MAY
[6:16:22] have a big shift change with
[6:16:24] regard to the possibilities.
[6:16:26] So that's my take on it. I
[6:16:32] don't think we should b Making
[6:16:34] any decisions on district's
[6:16:34] chief strategy as a city until
[6:16:35] we see the outcome of the
[6:16:37] elections in NOVEMBER, not the
[6:16:38] local elections. I'm talking
[6:16:40] about the statewide elections.
[6:16:43] But this is very serious.
[6:16:46] Organizations like was an had
[6:16:47] the support of the mayor's
[6:16:49] office and apparently other
[6:16:49] commissioners here and we will
[6:16:51] have a strategy. We will have
[6:16:54] a path forward and we need
[6:16:57] more information. So that the
[6:17:00] public knows what the Key West
[6:17:02] Police Department is doing.
[6:17:02] What it's not doing. I was
[6:17:04] very happy to see Chief
[6:17:06] Brandenburg come and speak
[6:17:08] about the flock cameras this
[6:17:09] morning because having
[6:17:10] accurate information is
[6:17:12] important. We have a great
[6:17:14] police department. Let's not
[6:17:19] forget that. We have a great
[6:17:19] police department, a police
[6:17:20] department that we are proud
[6:17:25] of. We are proud of them. We
[6:17:29] but we have to support them
[6:17:29] and they are in an untenable
[6:17:30] situation because of the
[6:17:34] policy. That being said, we
[6:17:35] have to figure out a path
[6:17:39] forward and we will okay. That
[6:17:40] being said, I want to also say
[6:17:40] Commissioner Haskell said is
[6:17:43] very important. They get
[6:17:46] bigger issue with Commissioner
[6:17:47] Haskell said was it's our
[6:17:47] responsibility to have
[6:17:50] proactive board members. And
[6:17:52] so we all need to really talk
[6:17:53] to all board members today.
[6:17:54] Want to be on the board. They
[6:17:56] now want to be on the board
[6:17:58] and then I can tell you the
[6:17:59] mayor's office will be
[6:17:59] sponsoring a training session
[6:18:01] for board members. We're going
[6:18:03] to we need to have a training
[6:18:05] session and the training
[6:18:06] session is not intended only
[6:18:10] to be the technical details.
[6:18:16] Sunshine will. Other other
[6:18:17] legal aspects. What we need to
[6:18:21] do with our board members is
[6:18:24] encourage them emphasis on
[6:18:26] encouraging them to bring
[6:18:26] resolutions with advice to
[6:18:30] this body. And we and we have
[6:18:31] to task them with certain
[6:18:31] things. That's what
[6:18:33] commissioner mascot, I think
[6:18:34] was saying we're going to tell
[6:18:34] that we need to tell the the
[6:18:36] park's and rec board to take
[6:18:39] on hate speech to take on
[6:18:40] Bayview Park because you know
[6:18:41] how that benefits us. This is
[6:18:43] going to save time.
[6:18:47] Commissioner mascot. No, all
[6:18:48] of us up here because I'm at
[6:18:48] imagine all the hours that we
[6:18:52] would have to spend convening
[6:18:53] workshops, right? And we have
[6:18:55] all of the look, we have any
[6:18:57] items we had 50 or 60 items on
[6:18:58] tonight's agenda. We need the
[6:18:59] Parks and rec board to take
[6:19:00] that on. And commissioner
[6:19:01] mascot with that being said,
[6:19:04] okay, I don't have anything
[6:19:06] else. Thanks for everybody for
[6:19:07] supporting us. And our first
[6:19:07] meeting as a new commission
[6:19:09] commissioner Castillo. I got
[6:19:14] one thing's for only one.
[6:19:17] >> Yeah. Only one. Yes. Just
[6:19:21] to bring up to cold, probably
[6:19:25] with the cra in Bahama
[6:19:25] Village. The Beaver back. And
[6:19:29] that's a central item of
[6:19:31] training that needs to go to
[6:19:33] the board members there. So I
[6:19:34] appreciate it. And if that can
[6:19:36] go all around all bolts
[6:19:39] >> okay. Thank Okay. We are
[6:19:41] adjourning the city. We're
[6:19:42] turning the city commission
[6:19:45] meeting. And now we which
[6:19:48] meeting cra we are. We're
[6:19:48] going we're opening the cra
[6:19:53] meeting. Commissioner Carey
[6:19:55] here, commissioner Castillo,
[6:19:57] their Commissioner Haskell
[6:19:57] Year, Commissioner Lane here,
[6:19:58] commissioner mascot here,
[6:20:00] Commissioner Ross Inc. Mayor
[6:20:04] Kasim. I'm also still here and
[6:20:04] I have the pledge on here.
[6:20:05] Apologies for not doing that
[6:20:06] again. And the approval of
[6:20:09] agenda.
[6:20:10] >> Okay. Is this emotional? We
[6:20:12] do have a change. We have
[6:20:13] someone wants to speak on
[6:20:15] number 2. So ok, really the
[6:20:18] gate, the consent agenda.
[6:20:19] Okay. Is there a motion to
[6:20:21] approve the minutes? From
[6:20:25] 8/6/2026. Okay. There's a
[6:20:25] motion from Commissioner
[6:20:26] Castillo, second from See all
[6:20:28] those in favor. Aye. Any
[6:20:30] opposed motion carries great.
[6:20:35] I'd of next item. Resolutions
[6:20:36] item number 2 approving the
[6:20:38] fiscal year 2026. To 2027 and
[6:20:40] key West Bight marina fees
[6:20:42] collection manual has attached
[6:20:44] here too and made a part
[6:20:44] hereof. And Leon Moyer has
[6:20:49] signed up to speak. Good
[6:20:53] evening. Mayor commissioners.
[6:20:54] >> Leon, where here and this
[6:20:55] at matter is close to my heart
[6:20:59] and even closer to my wallet.
[6:21:00] Because fee increase that
[6:21:01] there's projecting here
[6:21:04] applies to me when I bring my
[6:21:06] dinghy in doubt, the historic
[6:21:07] dock, I attended the bite
[6:21:09] meeting and I spoke against
[6:21:11] the increase and I asked the
[6:21:14] director Steve Mcalarney to
[6:21:16] explain exactly why they
[6:21:17] needed to increase fees to
[6:21:18] tell us the money is going to
[6:21:21] go. And he never addressed
[6:21:21] that issue. He simply stood up
[6:21:23] and said, well, we're still
[6:21:26] less expensive. A marathon.
[6:21:27] We'll You're also a lot more
[6:21:29] expensive Fort Myers Beach,
[6:21:31] which is totally free for new
[6:21:33] dog cage free for water. Free
[6:21:34] to store your bicycles there.
[6:21:36] So why are you comparing
[6:21:38] yourselves and trying to
[6:21:40] simply raise fees? Because now
[6:21:41] marathon MAY want to go up or
[6:21:42] some other city goes up
[6:21:43] because it's a key west, raise
[6:21:44] their fees. This is not the
[6:21:48] way to run a government. So I
[6:21:50] just want to watch my protest
[6:21:51] in the thing is the fee is
[6:21:51] only going up 15 bucks a
[6:21:55] month. And one of the board
[6:21:55] member said, well, this is
[6:21:59] just $0.50 a day. He's right,
[6:22:03] but it's not the it's the
[6:22:04] principle. It's not the amount
[6:22:05] of money. Why everybody trying
[6:22:07] to get more and more and what
[6:22:08] am I going to get extra for
[6:22:11] this? Absolutely nothing.
[6:22:13] You're saying you using it for
[6:22:14] daca agent for rebuilding and
[6:22:17] know what happens. But anyway,
[6:22:17] please consider this. And I
[6:22:21] would ask that you not pass.
[6:22:22] I'm not going to ask for
[6:22:22] special favors just for the
[6:22:23] dinghy doctor. I'm going to
[6:22:27] say for the entire a manual
[6:22:27] that has come fees for just
[6:22:29] about every line item. So
[6:22:34] thank you for your attention.
[6:22:34] Bring it back to the
[6:22:36] commission. Is there
[6:22:36] discussion?
[6:22:42] >> Questions motion. Motion to
[6:22:46] approve from Vice Mayor Lee.
[6:22:47] Is there a second second?
[6:22:48] There's second from
[6:22:50] Commissioner Carey. I think
[6:22:50] that's commissioner Haskell,
[6:22:51] maybe wanting to speak. Thank
[6:22:53] you. You did.
[6:23:01] >> Yes, I. This. I'm gonna
[6:23:01] speak about Dakich. And at
[6:23:04] this time of year, there's a
[6:23:08] lot of daca that is empty
[6:23:08] during season. You know, we
[6:23:09] have times of Trenton vessels.
[6:23:11] It's packed. The city could
[6:23:16] make some more money they had
[6:23:18] a summer rate for that, I'm
[6:23:24] kitsch. And I just Somebody
[6:23:28] should look into that
[6:23:29] >> I'm looking at you back
[6:23:36] that master that they okay.
[6:23:37] Okay.
[6:23:38] >> Any other discussion or
[6:23:38] questions.
[6:23:40] >> But things Okay.
[6:23:42] Commissioner Rusty. Let's hear
[6:23:44] what you have I think you're
[6:23:49] right. We need to look into
[6:23:50] that because there's a lot of
[6:23:51] the news starts year's. No
[6:23:52] more live awards down their
[6:23:57] sec. Correct.
[6:23:58] >> Maybe 3 or 4. I think at
[6:23:59] the last Good look at the
[6:24:02] official head count.
[6:24:03] >> Good evening. Mayor
[6:24:07] commissioners we currently
[6:24:10] have 4 boards down at us by
[6:24:15] there is a a local summer
[6:24:16] transit, right that we do have
[6:24:18] now that's listed 4.3 and your
[6:24:22] fees manual. So that that is
[6:24:23] available. Now, you've had
[6:24:24] that for several years. You've
[6:24:26] had that opportunity. It's
[6:24:29] it's I would say that it's not
[6:24:32] just that sent 2 down. So the
[6:24:33] key West by I mean, if we look
[6:24:34] extort our neighbors to
[6:24:39] Gallion Kong Harbor, we
[6:24:40] definitely seeing a slower
[6:24:40] season than we saw last year
[6:24:46] when I was here. Small
[6:24:47] increases. But we felt like we
[6:24:51] needed to do something to
[6:24:51] increase our revenues down
[6:24:52] there as we get direction from
[6:25:00] management and the commission.
[6:25:01] Seems like everything's going
[6:25:02] up these days anywhere. You
[6:25:03] know, inflation going just a
[6:25:07] little. Yeah. Commissioner
[6:25:07] receives you have anything
[6:25:15] else. Was hoping you had
[6:25:16] something else. You always
[6:25:18] have good things to say. So
[6:25:19] all right. So guess we can
[6:25:20] call the roll release of ready
[6:25:22] for that commissioner Carey s
[6:25:25] commissioner Castillo.
[6:25:26] Commissioner Haskell. Yes,
[6:25:29] commissioner Lee. Yes.
[6:25:30] Commissioner mascot. Yes.
[6:25:31] Commissioner Ross Sea Mayor
[6:25:37] Coffman now. Motion passes.
[6:25:38] Public comment. We don't have
[6:25:39] So we're done with this one
[6:25:45] our. Adjourning, the cra
[6:25:46] meeting and then which is the
[6:25:47] next thing that naval
[6:25:48] properties convening the Naval
[6:25:52] properties meeting.
[6:25:52] Commissioner Carey here,
[6:25:54] Commissioner Castillo here,
[6:25:55] Commissioner Haskell here,
[6:25:57] Commissioner Lee here,
[6:25:57] commissioner mascot here,
[6:25:59] Commissioner Wasi. Aircraft
[6:26:04] here. Approval of agenda.
[6:26:06] Number 3 is being asked to be
[6:26:07] postponed to OCTOBER first and
[6:26:08] we can do that part of the
[6:26:08] consent agenda. That's ok with
[6:26:10] everyone.
[6:26:11] >> Is there a motion to
[6:26:14] approve the consent agenda,
[6:26:15] move to approve? The sorry.
[6:26:16] We're on start of a We're on
[6:26:18] approval of agenda.
[6:26:21] >> Okay. Approving the agenda
[6:26:27] to approve steeper. That's
[6:26:28] just us here. You here for the
[6:26:31] naval meeting.
[6:26:32] >> Yes, but I believe we're up
[6:26:33] here for the following item
[6:26:34] after this postponed. Ok, hold
[6:26:38] on. So. MADAM Clerk okay, we
[6:26:41] have everything on consent and
[6:26:43] that's item. Number 3 is being
[6:26:44] postponed to OCTOBER 1st.
[6:26:45] That's what I understand.
[6:26:48] Kerry, I'm sorry. There has to
[6:26:49] and we didn't realize until
[6:26:51] today, but in the resolution,
[6:26:53] there is a date certain for
[6:26:55] the approval of the item.
[6:26:56] Number 2, that's being
[6:26:56] postponed. Okay. So they're
[6:26:58] just asking for it too.
[6:26:59] >> The stricken that date to
[6:27:00] be stricken from the
[6:27:00] resolution for item. Number
[6:27:03] one. Ok, that will ease. That
[6:27:05] will be heard again next
[6:27:07] month. Now confused. We says
[6:27:09] that we said that item 3 was
[6:27:09] the impulse. Guess now you're
[6:27:12] saying item 2 is being
[6:27:14] questioned. No item. 2 is a
[6:27:16] signatory authority on page 3
[6:27:18] in 2 different paragraphs that
[6:27:20] references today's date for
[6:27:22] the approval of item number 3.
[6:27:23] Okay. Because fund, I
[6:27:29] understand okay. Okay. Okay.
[6:27:30] So you want strike the dates
[6:27:32] are so we need to call item
[6:27:36] number 2 in order to change
[6:27:36] the resolution. So let's let's
[6:27:41] it's ok. For all that consent
[6:27:42] can be minutes and postponing
[6:27:44] number 3. Yes, it will pull.
[6:27:44] And so we're going to remove
[6:27:48] item to from consent when the
[6:27:49] call to. We're going to
[6:27:49] approve the consent agenda
[6:27:54] items. One in 3 and the 3 is
[6:27:55] postponement. Okay. To say Is
[6:27:56] there a motion to approve the
[6:28:00] agenda? Make a motion second
[6:28:00] see approves makes the motion
[6:28:03] to approve the agenda.
[6:28:03] Commissioner Chrystia seconds.
[6:28:04] All those in favor of the
[6:28:06] approve the agenda I I. Any
[6:28:10] opposed hearing none motion
[6:28:11] carries that is and is there a
[6:28:12] motion to approve the consent
[6:28:14] agenda as amended before
[6:28:15] commissioner can see a mix of
[6:28:17] ocean? Is there a second
[6:28:18] commissioner received seconds?
[6:28:20] All those in favor say Aye,
[6:28:22] any opposed hearing. None
[6:28:25] motion carries number 2,
[6:28:26] granting the chair signatory
[6:28:28] authority to execute the
[6:28:29] declaration of Restrictive
[6:28:30] Covenant on behalf of the
[6:28:33] Naval Properties. Local
[6:28:33] redevelopment authority is a
[6:28:34] prerequisite required by the
[6:28:34] Florida Department of
[6:28:35] Environmental Protection Prior
[6:28:37] to its approval.
[6:28:38] >> Of the Declaration of
[6:28:39] Restrictive Covenant
[6:28:39] clarifying that this
[6:28:42] resolution does not constitute
[6:28:44] approval of the declaration of
[6:28:45] restrictive Covenant, which
[6:28:47] shall be brought before the
[6:28:48] lra for consideration at its
[6:28:51] SEPTEMBER 3rd, 2026 meeting.
[6:28:51] >> What is the suggested
[6:28:52] change of date? So we asked
[6:28:57] staff. To a piece APRIL Mayor
[6:29:00] commissioners, Tina Verne's
[6:29:02] community development manager
[6:29:03] and just to we can strike the
[6:29:04] date over before. This is
[6:29:08] Supreme Court precursor to
[6:29:09] approving the declaration
[6:29:12] which will come next in
[6:29:12] OCTOBER.
[6:29:14] >> So is there a motion to
[6:29:14] approve the rest? The
[6:29:17] resolution? The item by with
[6:29:19] striking the date striking the
[6:29:22] day. That's correct.
[6:29:23] Commissioner Carey makes the
[6:29:24] motion Commissioner Haskell
[6:29:24] seconds. Is there more
[6:29:28] discussion? All those in
[6:29:29] favor. Please say Aye. Any
[6:29:29] opposed hearing. None motion
[6:29:35] carries. We have the public
[6:29:36] comment. Public comment. Okay.
[6:29:36] Adjourning the naval
[6:29:38] properties meeting. Convening
[6:29:44] the g o a. Commissioner. Carey
[6:29:45] here, commissioner kissed you
[6:29:46] hear Commissioner Haskell
[6:29:47] here, Commissioner here.
[6:29:49] >> Commissioner mascot here,
[6:29:53] see Mayor Coffman. Still here.
[6:29:59] Approval of agenda. Is
[6:30:00] >> It is. The can Is there a
[6:30:00] motion to approve the agenda?
[6:30:05] Many of those I heard a
[6:30:06] commissioner. Kerry made the
[6:30:07] motion Commissioner Rose Rossi
[6:30:08] seconds. All those in favor.
[6:30:12] Please say aye. Any opposed.
[6:30:15] Motion to approve the minutes.
[6:30:17] Yes, from 8/6/2026
[6:30:18] commissioner Castillo makes
[6:30:21] the motion. Is there a second?
[6:30:22] That was close on who said
[6:30:23] that first. Want to say
[6:30:25] Commissioner Haskell made the
[6:30:26] second all those in favor.
[6:30:29] Please say Aye. Any opposed
[6:30:30] hearing. None motion carries
[6:30:31] and now item number 2 is
[6:30:34] requested to be postponed to
[6:30:35] OCTOBER. 1st, is there a
[6:30:38] motion to postpone item to to
[6:30:41] OCTOBER 1st motion was made
[6:30:42] Commissioner Ross. The second
[6:30:43] was made by commissioner
[6:30:43] mascot. All those in favor.
[6:30:46] Please say Aye. Any opposed
[6:30:49] weight can help.
[6:30:49] >> And can I discuss. Yeah,
[6:30:53] course. Yes. Why? Well, who
[6:30:56] asked for the postponement?
[6:30:57] >> Can we our legal staff or
[6:30:58] the applicant? It was the app
[6:31:02] for The of the appellant. It's
[6:31:03] an appeal that's true.
[6:31:05] Appellate appellants is asking
[6:31:07] for aj Davila me after the
[6:31:08] appellate we've actually work
[6:31:11] with the city quite a bit the
[6:31:11] past few days. Believe we
[6:31:13] stipulate to the postponement
[6:31:15] to next month, but I don't
[6:31:20] speak for them.
[6:31:20] >> This the city s for the
[6:31:23] postponement are noted.
[6:31:23] >> We requested, but we
[6:31:25] believe agree with it. It
[6:31:26] sounds like they're working on
[6:31:26] a resolution, which is a good
[6:31:33] thing. Another question
[6:31:34] strict. I think the applicant
[6:31:36] is asking for more time to
[6:31:37] work with city staff about an
[6:31:37] overall resolution right
[6:31:39] matter.
[6:31:41] >> MR. This meant staff agreed
[6:31:43] that made sense to do.
[6:31:45] Resolutions are always good.
[6:31:47] We'd like for Solutions.
[6:31:49] Commissioner Kaseya, if I this
[6:31:50] is close to Richard Hatch
[6:31:56] health. White Street. And it's
[6:31:59] going to be a soco. Feel I
[6:32:06] Harkey. Is this going to be a
[6:32:07] good Commissioner? Casteel
[6:32:09] were on an appeal on the board
[6:32:11] of adjustment with regard ing
[6:32:12] 7.12, Eaton Street, ok, I'm
[6:32:16] sorry. That's okay. Roland as
[6:32:18] close MR. Wade Morgan's House
[6:32:19] and he's here. You might want
[6:32:20] to have something say. But we
[6:32:25] have public comment. Look, I
[6:32:28] think yes, equivalent living
[6:32:32] as the city attorney Yeah, I
[6:32:34] don't think you should take,
[6:32:36] right, ok, sorry, that's going
[6:32:38] to be passed. So it's it's a
[6:32:39] there's there's legal aspects
[6:32:39] to this that we have to be
[6:32:42] careful about. For the record,
[6:32:47] but we Cancun are can enter
[6:32:47] city attorney talk to them
[6:32:52] after just just or
[6:32:53] conservative talkers. Only
[6:32:56] please. Yes, happy express was
[6:32:56] the day that this happened.
[6:32:57] This was 4 and a half years
[6:32:59] ago. Okay.
[6:33:03] >> I pulled trigger. We have
[6:33:03] that. There's a there's a
[6:33:06] legal process we have to
[6:33:06] follow and I understand this
[6:33:08] is the first time we're
[6:33:12] hearing this that I know of.
[6:33:12] So I would I would ask you
[6:33:13] kindly if you would split,
[6:33:15] please speak with our city
[6:33:15] attorney so that the
[6:33:16] communications can flow in the
[6:33:18] correct way. Commissioner
[6:33:20] Haskell, did you have any
[6:33:24] other concerns about
[6:33:25] >> Well, yes, because I
[6:33:28] thought I
[6:33:29] >> a commitment from the legal
[6:33:29] department that there be no
[6:33:33] more postponements.
[6:33:34] >> That's about the code
[6:33:37] matter. This is about a
[6:33:38] separate issue. I can explain
[6:33:39] it to offline. I don't want to
[6:33:46] explain it. And create quasi
[6:33:48] judicial issue. I understand
[6:33:52] the I don't believe that. But
[6:33:55] the spirit by request more no
[6:33:58] more postponement commissioner
[6:33:59] changed.
[6:33:59] >> Sister, I hear you loud and
[6:34:03] clear. And I share your deep
[6:34:07] frustration.
[6:34:10] >> But if we have an
[6:34:10] incomplete quasi judicial
[6:34:15] record.
[6:34:16] >> Then there is the
[6:34:18] possibility a court will say
[6:34:19] starting over again, do not
[6:34:26] collect $200. And so as and
[6:34:27] Powell double as it is. I
[6:34:30] understand you wait. Issue
[6:34:30] raised. I heard about it
[6:34:37] today. And if we don't give it
[6:34:39] some consideration, we could
[6:34:39] be criticized and have the
[6:34:44] outcome take even longer.
[6:34:45] Frustrations were horses. We'd
[6:34:48] all have arrived.
[6:34:49] >> we're we're getting more
[6:34:49] credits. An appellate
[6:34:50] procedure for your law school
[6:34:53] degree. So that's good.
[6:34:54] >> I know she's this is
[6:34:55] appellate procedure and or see
[6:34:58] one on
[6:34:59] >> Okay. So can we call the
[6:35:00] roll on the vote on the motion
[6:35:03] to postpone to OCTOBER one.
[6:35:03] >> Commissioner Carey,
[6:35:06] Commissioner Castillo. This is
[6:35:07] for put to postpone this item
[6:35:10] to OCTOBER. 1st. Commissioner
[6:35:12] Haskell. Commissioner Lee,
[6:35:14] yes, commissioner mascot. Yes.
[6:35:17] Commissioner Ross Yes. Mayor
[6:35:18] Coffman. Yes. And we are
[6:35:19] adjourning the Everyone have a