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Madam Clerk, would you please call the

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roll and do we have either of our fellow

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council members on remotely?

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remains to be seen, but I note the

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presence of a quorum in any event.

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Uh Madam Clerk,

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uh just been advised that the Council

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Member Kay has joined remotely.

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the uh first item of business is

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approval of the minutes of our last uh

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Council meeting of July 7th. Uh fairly

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extensive, they've been circulated to

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Council members in advance in advance.

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Any questions or comments or further

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edits to the

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>> I had a minor edit that the clerk made.

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>> Incorporating that uh without any other

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changes, uh the minutes are deemed

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Are there any citizen comments?

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Um so the next agenda item is uh

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Mr. Wolahan.

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>> Larry Wolahan, 406 North Regret. Hi.

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Good afternoon. Um first I would like to

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thank Craig Harris. I know it's not on

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the agenda, but for his uh

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work with the fire departments on the uh

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fire alarm blitz. It's a

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really good project and this help is

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very much appreciated. Some people on John's Island maybe here, I don't

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know, use kerosene for cooking and warm

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water doesn't have fire hydrants, etc.

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fire alarms are very important. Anyway,

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project. I don't really expect any

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Charleston conservation programs. Um

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benefited from Charleston

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conservancy

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um items. We we had a

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fishing dock, 120,000,

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the past. So, why would we have these

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two? Do we need to have our own?

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cannot be achieved because they might be

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potential change to this away? I mean,

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wrong in my interpretation.

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zoning will be can be amended.

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criteria, which brings me on to the next

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comments. The committee for approval or

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initiation of the projects

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is largely drawn from those from an

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environmental background.

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balance? I know the board has to approve

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you know decide on what's actually

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background and I'm all great I'm all for

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committee coming up with these ideas?

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it basically a sixth of the land covered

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by this conservancy is actually Kiawah

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land. I may be wrong in that, might be a

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know we border a big area and because of

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the rivers, etc.

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really is is it really to the benefit of

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administration cost likely to be?

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the fund, which is separate to the

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committee advisory committee.

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stages adequate?

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million in 25 and 2 million in 26

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projects. And again, are we getting

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other other funding opportunities to actually

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look after the island. Thank you.

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questions and comments. I anticipate

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that uh many if not most of them will be

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touched upon during the discussion uh

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later in the agenda. Any other citizen

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presentation and update uh from from

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count town count from Crown Castle and I

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Council Member Spencer to kind of frame

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the where we are in this process. It's

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been ongoing and under his

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leadership and working with the town

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staff. So, please Council Member

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>> Thanks and we have Kyle Davis from Crown

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Castle today as well as representatives

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from the carriers.

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into trying to address and improve our

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telecommunications cellular in

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particular in this aspect infrastructure

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for public safety, quality of life for

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alternatives for broadband connectivity

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in our homes, things like that. Crown

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Castle as well as American Tower and

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others have been

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very helpful in assessing and looking at

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ways that we can make improvements to

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our cellular infrastructure. Crown

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site that is hosted by Berkeley Electric

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have coverage for the surrounding area

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as well. The island's plagued with huge

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mostly LTE coverage which is pretty

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inferior to the demands of modern

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communications today for emergency

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response, for quality of life like I

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mentioned, things like that. Crown

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in helping us first of all understand

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what kind of constraints the community

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was putting on them that was prohibiting

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investment which is they pay for this

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infrastructure. So, prohibiting that

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investment. And that resulted in

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updated ordinance for cellular

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infrastructure that the planning

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commission ultimately town council

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approved right about this time last year

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to recognize what takes to provide

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modern communications that our community

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glamorous parts the last year or so

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stuff that goes into getting it right

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when we actually do it. So, Kyle and

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team are here to give us an update where

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start happening. It's still about a year

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the first site come online, 15 months,

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cuz it takes a while. There's

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construction, there's planning, there's

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a lot of things that move to make it

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happen. Kyle step that through through

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that a little bit and then be available

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to answer any questions that anybody

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and thank you to Mr. Taylor who's been

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my partner in crime on this. Um, that um

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the planning commission tomorrow, which

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looking at a zoning implications, very

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minor, but we're adjusting a boundary.

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Plamondon in particular in helping us

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assess the sites cuz the four Crown

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are hosted at the resort. Um, so working

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through some property line changes which

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adjustment that the planning

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commission's going to review tomorrow.

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public policy manager at Crown Castle. I

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affairs and today I our team, our

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subject matter experts are in the room

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work through our agenda today, we'll be

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able to go through those introductions

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with our team. We'll be able to review

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some of those sites that Lance talked

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about. We'll go through a timeline, an

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estimated timeline of our lead site,

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which is called Ocean Course, and we'll

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show that new or the replacement tower

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example as well as what that coverage

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will bring to the island. So, without

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my left as well, and Aaron Wilson.

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very close to the project and

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understands a lot of the complications,

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a lot of intricacies of the island, and

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it's great to have all of us here today

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just really just give you a background

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of what is on the island and what we're

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current coverage here in some of these

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about where we're at on the island.

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Course. Ocean Course is the lead site in

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all of in our um on all of our towers

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here on the island. We anticipate

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working through updating Ocean Course

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with the other three sites to follow um

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shortly thereafter that completed

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timeline.

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So, what we'll see here is our estimated

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timeline with Ocean Course, and really

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wanted to point out so last week, 2

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weeks ago, we were able to sit down with

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John and Lance and some of our industry

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partners and really review some of the

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needs on the island, but also it allowed

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us to kind of reestablish our

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relationship and um share with not only

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John and Lance some of the progress

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we've made, but also what um our

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commitment to the island and what we're

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ready to really jump right into um

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leading off with this estimated timeline

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at Ocean Course.

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So, here we are. It's August. We're

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presenting to Town Council, and and next

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month we're going to get right into our

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pre-zoning administrative side, which

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will include balloon testing. And so, we

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really wanted to make sure the community

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was aware as we moved on to the next

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step of this project timeline that

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you'll probably start seeing some

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balloons pop up in your community. Now,

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we have to put a balloon up at these

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sites for a 10-hour period to make sure

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we can understand some of the physics as

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it relates to the coverage of the area.

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And so, I wanted to make sure that it

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was one of the first things we mentioned

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to everyone here today is that we're here, we remain committed to the

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community, and part of that is going to

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allow us to put some balloons up on our

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assets and really understand the

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coverage areas. And it's going to be

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happening soon. And and so, just making

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y'all aware as we move into the

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timeline, you'll see our zoning review

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will occur in October.

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And at this at this time, we also put in

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some of our regulatory and environmental

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reviews that really take 6 months and is a big piece of how we can move

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forward in some of our next steps. So,

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as we go through our zoning review here

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with a town of Kiawah, we'll also get

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into some post-zoning engineering in

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December, and we'll be applying for our

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building permit early next year in

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February. And we are anticipating with

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this estimated timeline by March, all of

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those reviews will be complete. And when

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those reviews are complete, we'll be

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able to move forward with our

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pre-construction like side of the house,

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and we'll be able to get all of that

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administrative stuff done

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with the goal in this estimated timeline

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is to move to tower construction in

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October of 2027.

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So, there's

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a couple different pieces that are also

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are at play here. And when we think

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about some of the

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environmental factors that happen,

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whether it's migratory birds or some of

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the other um kind of factors that

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really kind of help us like understand

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what's best to to build and when to

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build. We know that there is um

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like a nesting season from March to

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October. So, we really can't start kind

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of

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touching some of these towers till after

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that nesting season's over. And so,

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you'll see this estimated timeline kind

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of really just um

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takes that into consideration, and

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beginning in October of next year, we'd

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love to

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be constructing our tower and by the end

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of the year our carrier customers will

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be moving onto that tower as well.

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>> Kyle, I just one quick question.

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>> Yes, sir.

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>> To go back, how does a balloon testing

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help you understand your coverage area?

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Are you putting radios in the balloon or

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are you doing visual or how do you do

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this?

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>> great question.

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>> It's more visual. It's It's not to help

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with the coverage, but it's more for the

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community to see what the

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proposed tower, the height will be. So,

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we're going to um

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have a balloon test at each one of the

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sites. They will be at the

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stated height of the proposed tower and

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they'll be there for 10 hours. So, it

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just gives the community uh the chance

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to have a visual of what this tower, the

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height that it's going to

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>> aesthetics for us, not great. Thank you

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very much.

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>> Appreciate that clarification.

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>> And just just on on that point and I

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don't know what the discussions we've

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had about uh um coordination and

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communication. It's going to be

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critically important that we get the

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message out to the community and when

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those balloons are going to go up well

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in advance.

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>> 100% and we'll be sure to communicate

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that and another point of us wanting to

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talk about that today was to really just

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make sure you're you all are you all are

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aware of that as we kind of move forward

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here.

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>> I would add in the communication that if

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they see the balloon, that's a good

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thing. It means they'll get better cell

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coverage.

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>> That's fair. That's a fair point.

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>> That's the probably the main thing you

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want to emphasize. They want to see the

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balloons.

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>> Yes, absolutely.

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And so, we'll we'll anticipate, you

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know, by the end of next year that we'll

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hopefully have the Ocean Course this

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estimated timeline complete and coverage

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at Ocean Course really increased and

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that balloon testing, right? We're going

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to do them on all four sites. So, while

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we are specifically

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um you know, zeroed in on Ocean Course

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today, that

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those balloons will be um popping up on

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all of those four sites that we um

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previously shared in the slides.

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>> Kyle, I've got a question from Council

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Member Kay. She says she can't

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communicate in, but she's hearing us.

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>> Okay.

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>> Um and this may be more for the staff,

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but um she's asking uh since nesting

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season varies per bird population, are

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they involving Aaron, which is our town

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biologist, in the process? So,

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I I think the answer will be yes, if it

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isn't already. Is that correct, John?

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Yeah. Okay.

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>> Yeah, we have a whole migratory birds

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team, so we we do work with a lot of our

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experts in house to make sure that we're

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following the environmental regulations

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and then we're

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following everything to the T and and

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making sure that we can really access

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the sites and

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really take the next steps to build our

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capacity to build those sites.

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Thank you. Of course. And so here you'll

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see a little bit of what you've already

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done. And and so this is

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a completed, in progress, and next step

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kind of review of where we where we're

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at with Ocean Course.

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And so we've done our site walks, we've done the pre-preliminary tower and

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ground design.

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We've also kind of reached terms with

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some of our with the resort, and we've

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identified the need to rezone the

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parcels. So, that rezone is happening

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currently.

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And that is what we're really moving to

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the in progress section now. And and so

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we're meeting with our proposed business

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terms with our carrier partners. We're

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continuing those conversations

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with council and and our stakeholders to

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coordinate these efforts. And a lot of

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the ground lease documentation

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preparation, the stuff that happens

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behind the scenes is currently occurring

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right now.

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And that means

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really getting us closer to our next

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steps, which is going to be able to

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obtain a carrier approval terms. We're

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going to be able to execute our lease

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documentation and advance our zoning and

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permitting

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shortly,

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really next month and and as we move

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towards the future.

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I'm going to pause there. I know I've shared a lot of information, but

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I'm going to pass this presentation over

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to my counterpart Jason, who's going to

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review our replacement tower examples.

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We wanted to give you visuals for what

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you all can expect as these replacement

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towers take hold in the community, and

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what kind of benefits those will bring

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to the community as well.

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>> As Jason comes up, um

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are you going to run the other towers in

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staggered parallel, or will they all be

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in series?

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>> Great question.

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>> Yeah, so as as Kyle mentioned, Ocean

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Course will be our first first path, and

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then

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we would like to submit the other three

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as quickly as we can.

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If we can do them

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in parallel, that would be ideal for us.

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But we'll just have to see how that

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plays out.

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>> Yeah, I know there'll be some

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staggering, but that would be great.

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Yeah. Thank you.

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>> And if I can just add to that, cuz

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they're talking to Crown Castle right

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now. The American Tower tower is

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sufficient height right now,

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and I believe they've confirmed they

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have the appropriate radios on that one.

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The resort continues to work the

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modernization around the sanctuary.

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The Vanderhorst tower, we're in

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discussions with Berkeley on that right

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now. There's some things we need to work

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through with that one, but

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that's the the final

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cap filler.

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>> And the hope, and maybe even

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expectation, is that we'll truly have 5G

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all over the island.

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>> Yes, that is the intent.

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» Good [clears throat] afternoon.

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>> And soon to be 6G.

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>> Okay.

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» I'm sorry. Mr. Martin?

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>> Yes.

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>> Could you move closer speak in the mic?

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The council member Kay cannot hear you.

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Thank you.

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>> Is this better?

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>> Yes, please. Yes, project.

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>> So, once again, I just want to provide

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some examples of what you may be able to see.

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On the left [clears throat] of the

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screen, this is an existing 160-ft

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monopole, which is just up the street on

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Maybank Highway on Daniel Island.

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So, you can see from this picture,

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there's some mature canopy around this

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160-ft tower, which helps conceal it.

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Uh Kiawah Island, you have some some

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beautiful

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old growth

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canopy here on

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and

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we as Crown Castle, we believe that the

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150-ft towers that we were proposing

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at these sites will also be concealed

555
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by this canopy.

556
00:19:24,400 --> 00:19:25,680
Um

557
00:19:25,680 --> 00:19:27,640
on the right-hand side, I've got a split

558
00:19:27,640 --> 00:19:30,800
screen. The Ocean Course, which is 70-ft

559
00:19:30,800 --> 00:19:32,840
is taller than the small

560
00:19:32,840 --> 00:19:33,760
smaller,

561
00:19:33,760 --> 00:19:35,083
which is on the left-hand side.

562
00:19:35,083 --> 00:19:35,560
>> [clears throat]

563
00:19:35,560 --> 00:19:37,160
>> And what we're proposing photo

564
00:19:37,160 --> 00:19:39,800
simulation is the 150-ft

565
00:19:39,800 --> 00:19:41,840
uh on the right-hand side.

566
00:19:41,840 --> 00:19:45,150
You can see um

567
00:19:45,160 --> 00:19:49,200
the Ocean Course is a stealth site. So,

568
00:19:49,200 --> 00:19:51,240
meaning the carriers, which we only have

569
00:19:51,240 --> 00:19:53,640
two currently, is on the Ocean Course,

570
00:19:53,640 --> 00:19:55,880
and the equipment is internal to the

571
00:19:55,880 --> 00:19:56,698
tower.

572
00:19:56,698 --> 00:19:57,240
>> [clears throat]

573
00:19:57,240 --> 00:19:59,400
>> It is restricted from a from a wireless

574
00:19:59,400 --> 00:20:01,840
perspective. Okay, they can't add so

575
00:20:01,840 --> 00:20:04,680
much capacity due to the limitations of

576
00:20:04,680 --> 00:20:06,480
the stealth design.

577
00:20:06,480 --> 00:20:07,920
On the right-hand side, what we're

578
00:20:07,920 --> 00:20:11,960
proposing is three distinct uh mounts or

579
00:20:11,960 --> 00:20:14,120
carriers. So, one

580
00:20:14,120 --> 00:20:16,560
uh major aspect between the two, you go

581
00:20:16,560 --> 00:20:18,200
from Ocean Course, which only has two

582
00:20:18,200 --> 00:20:20,440
wireless carriers today, and what we're

583
00:20:20,440 --> 00:20:22,600
proposing, the new tower would be able

584
00:20:22,600 --> 00:20:24,760
to support three wireless carriers, at

585
00:20:24,760 --> 00:20:25,840
least three.

586
00:20:25,840 --> 00:20:28,360
Um in addition to that, the wireless

587
00:20:28,360 --> 00:20:30,160
carriers would not be restricted in

588
00:20:30,160 --> 00:20:32,280
terms of the amount of equipment

589
00:20:32,280 --> 00:20:34,240
that they add, which add So, what does

590
00:20:34,240 --> 00:20:35,760
that

591
00:20:35,760 --> 00:20:37,680
They can add more capacity. That means

592
00:20:37,680 --> 00:20:39,880
your phones will be faster than what

593
00:20:39,880 --> 00:20:41,800
they are today.

594
00:20:41,800 --> 00:20:45,120
In addition to the increased capacity,

595
00:20:45,120 --> 00:20:47,800
we're going from 70-ft to 150-ft, which

596
00:20:47,800 --> 00:20:49,480
is going to help from a coverage

597
00:20:49,480 --> 00:20:50,720
perspective.

598
00:20:50,720 --> 00:20:53,560
Um so, kind of summarize the the

599
00:20:53,560 --> 00:20:55,400
advantage of going from the existing

600
00:20:55,400 --> 00:20:58,440
70-ft to the 150, one, you're going from

601
00:20:58,440 --> 00:21:01,440
two wireless carriers to three.

602
00:21:01,440 --> 00:21:02,960
Secondly, they're going to have more

603
00:21:02,960 --> 00:21:07,520
capacity, so you're going to have the 5G and the faster

604
00:21:07,520 --> 00:21:09,560
uh faster speeds.

605
00:21:09,560 --> 00:21:12,240
Third, third, they're going to have

606
00:21:12,240 --> 00:21:13,600
better connectivity because they're

607
00:21:13,600 --> 00:21:15,800
going to have a bigger footprint to have

608
00:21:15,800 --> 00:21:17,880
coverage down

609
00:21:17,880 --> 00:21:19,280
and this helps to kind of give you a

610
00:21:19,280 --> 00:21:21,040
better probability that when you need to

611
00:21:21,040 --> 00:21:22,840
make that call, you're going to have

612
00:21:22,840 --> 00:21:24,960
connectivity for public safety. That's a

613
00:21:24,960 --> 00:21:26,520
big concern, I think,

614
00:21:26,520 --> 00:21:29,240
and many of them probably

615
00:21:29,240 --> 00:21:31,200
use their cell phone as as their home

616
00:21:31,200 --> 00:21:33,600
phone, right? And you know,

617
00:21:33,600 --> 00:21:35,080
it's important when you need to make

618
00:21:35,080 --> 00:21:37,120
that call, you want to have connectivity

619
00:21:37,120 --> 00:21:39,080
and that taller tower

620
00:21:39,080 --> 00:21:40,440
will help provide that that better

621
00:21:40,440 --> 00:21:41,400
connectivity.

622
00:21:41,400 --> 00:21:42,720
>> Jason, can I jump in on just a couple

623
00:21:42,720 --> 00:21:44,800
things? And most people consider their

624
00:21:44,800 --> 00:21:46,160
cellular experience this, which is

625
00:21:46,160 --> 00:21:48,280
great, and we want it to work right with

626
00:21:48,280 --> 00:21:50,640
and the apps on these phones suck a lot

627
00:21:50,640 --> 00:21:52,040
more data and now so you need a lot more

628
00:21:52,040 --> 00:21:55,480
capacity, but there's public safety, um,

629
00:21:55,480 --> 00:21:57,520
beach patrol, for example, has a

630
00:21:57,520 --> 00:21:59,760
online tool that they do reports on and

631
00:21:59,760 --> 00:22:00,960
there are a lot of gaps on the island

632
00:22:00,960 --> 00:22:01,800
where they don't have sufficient

633
00:22:01,800 --> 00:22:05,040
coverage to do that. Same thing with EMS

634
00:22:05,040 --> 00:22:07,160
and and St. John's fire and others, so,

635
00:22:07,160 --> 00:22:09,360
you know, having those kinds of tools

636
00:22:09,360 --> 00:22:11,480
available, um, I believe Kiawah maybe

637
00:22:11,480 --> 00:22:13,840
Resort even have, um, you know, tools

638
00:22:13,840 --> 00:22:17,200
and in trucks and cars that they're working off of and they have to

639
00:22:17,200 --> 00:22:18,480
find a place where they get a signal

640
00:22:18,480 --> 00:22:19,680
before they could do it, so it's it's

641
00:22:19,680 --> 00:22:22,000
disruptive as well, but also impacts

642
00:22:22,000 --> 00:22:23,320
safety.

643
00:22:23,320 --> 00:22:25,360
And I I and one more thought, each of

644
00:22:25,360 --> 00:22:27,760
the carriers has an in-home, what they

645
00:22:27,760 --> 00:22:29,800
call fixed wireless,

646
00:22:29,800 --> 00:22:32,160
uh, product, which means you can use

647
00:22:32,160 --> 00:22:33,920
instead of fiber or coax cable like with

648
00:22:33,920 --> 00:22:36,400
Comcast today or or AT&T if you have

649
00:22:36,400 --> 00:22:38,640
that, um, you can use your backhaul

650
00:22:38,640 --> 00:22:41,200
being the 5G cellular and it's broadband

651
00:22:41,200 --> 00:22:42,320
and you can actually get your home

652
00:22:42,320 --> 00:22:45,280
internet off of a device over cellular.

653
00:22:45,280 --> 00:22:46,920
>> Yeah, that's a that's a great point.

654
00:22:46,920 --> 00:22:48,360
That's, um,

655
00:22:48,360 --> 00:22:50,360
going to the the taller tower will give

656
00:22:50,360 --> 00:22:52,920
you another, um,

657
00:22:52,920 --> 00:22:55,320
fiber backhaul backhaul competitor,

658
00:22:55,320 --> 00:22:57,440
right? You can I think you have I think

659
00:22:57,440 --> 00:22:58,600
you mentioned there was fiber on the

660
00:22:58,600 --> 00:23:00,160
island, but

661
00:23:00,160 --> 00:23:01,720
this will allow the fixed wireless so

662
00:23:01,720 --> 00:23:03,920
you have a competitor for the backhaul.

663
00:23:03,920 --> 00:23:06,120
Um

664
00:23:06,120 --> 00:23:08,920
With that, I'm going to hand the slides

665
00:23:08,920 --> 00:23:10,920
over to Zaki. Zaki's going to go into

666
00:23:10,920 --> 00:23:13,120
more detail in terms of the current

667
00:23:13,120 --> 00:23:15,520
wireless coverage at Ocean Course on one

668
00:23:15,520 --> 00:23:17,320
of our carriers, and then also the

669
00:23:17,320 --> 00:23:24,630
proposed coverage at the 150 ft.

670
00:23:24,640 --> 00:23:26,280
» Good afternoon. This is Zaki Muhammad,

671
00:23:26,280 --> 00:23:27,920
part of Crown Castle RF engineering

672
00:23:27,920 --> 00:23:30,640
team. I'm here to present only just

673
00:23:30,640 --> 00:23:32,720
couple of slides here

674
00:23:32,720 --> 00:23:35,000
on the left side you are seeing is the

675
00:23:35,000 --> 00:23:38,200
current footprint uh coverage map of a

676
00:23:38,200 --> 00:23:41,160
one tower. The red highlighted color is

677
00:23:41,160 --> 00:23:43,320
basically where the signal strength is

678
00:23:43,320 --> 00:23:46,000
quite dominant, and all the residents or

679
00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:47,120
all the

680
00:23:47,120 --> 00:23:49,560
outdoor coverage in those areas are

681
00:23:49,560 --> 00:23:51,320
going to receive a very good coverage,

682
00:23:51,320 --> 00:23:53,320
good quality of signal, therefore

683
00:23:53,320 --> 00:23:55,840
getting a good throughput or speed.

684
00:23:55,840 --> 00:23:59,160
Um on the right is we have done a delta

685
00:23:59,160 --> 00:24:02,360
analysis between what we cover today

686
00:24:02,360 --> 00:24:06,960
versus what is going to look like at a higher rad center with increase.

687
00:24:06,960 --> 00:24:08,520
So, you can see that the coverage

688
00:24:08,520 --> 00:24:11,520
definitely have doubled up uh when you

689
00:24:11,520 --> 00:24:13,360
increase the height. So, currently if

690
00:24:13,360 --> 00:24:16,040
you are covering around um

691
00:24:16,040 --> 00:24:20,160
140 homes with increased height, ideally

692
00:24:20,160 --> 00:24:21,160
we will

693
00:24:21,160 --> 00:24:24,600
cover 220 homes. So, that's the impact

694
00:24:24,600 --> 00:24:26,200
we want to see on the coverage.

695
00:24:26,200 --> 00:24:28,080
Definitely this is the top rad center,

696
00:24:28,080 --> 00:24:30,640
and as we look for the second and third

697
00:24:30,640 --> 00:24:34,440
uh carrier, the coverage is going to go a little shrunk up.

698
00:24:34,440 --> 00:24:38,120
So, that's this slide about.

699
00:24:38,120 --> 00:24:41,550
Thank you.

700
00:24:41,560 --> 00:24:43,240
» And and really just to wrap up our

701
00:24:43,240 --> 00:24:44,960
presentation today, here's an executive

702
00:24:44,960 --> 00:24:46,360
summary. We we kind of already walked

703
00:24:46,360 --> 00:24:47,800
through our completed, in progress, and

704
00:24:47,800 --> 00:24:50,480
next steps, and you'll see that uh Crown

705
00:24:50,480 --> 00:24:51,760
Castle remains committed to bring

706
00:24:51,760 --> 00:24:53,320
connectivity to the island, and we

707
00:24:53,320 --> 00:24:55,320
really want to be collaborative partners

708
00:24:55,320 --> 00:24:57,200
with you all here today, and also want

709
00:24:57,200 --> 00:24:58,840
to be able to make sure the stakeholders

710
00:24:58,840 --> 00:25:00,720
and our carrier customers are

711
00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:02,920
able to um not only be collaborative,

712
00:25:02,920 --> 00:25:04,480
but we really just want to make sure

713
00:25:04,480 --> 00:25:07,080
that connectivity remains strong. So, if

714
00:25:07,080 --> 00:25:08,480
there are any questions, we'd love to

715
00:25:08,480 --> 00:25:10,320
take them at this time, and we really

716
00:25:10,320 --> 00:25:12,040
appreciate the opportunity to share with

717
00:25:12,040 --> 00:25:13,480
you all how Crown Castle can bring

718
00:25:13,480 --> 00:25:15,920
connectivity and stronger connections to

719
00:25:15,920 --> 00:25:18,590
your island.

720
00:25:18,600 --> 00:25:19,840
And if there aren't any questions, we'd

721
00:25:19,840 --> 00:25:21,720
be happy to um you know, talk with you

722
00:25:21,720 --> 00:25:23,960
following the meeting, or if there are

723
00:25:23,960 --> 00:25:25,560
um any more pointed questions you come

724
00:25:25,560 --> 00:25:27,280
up with later, feel free to share them

725
00:25:27,280 --> 00:25:28,600
with your council members or the mayor,

726
00:25:28,600 --> 00:25:29,840
and we'd be happy to answer them in the

727
00:25:29,840 --> 00:25:31,680
future as well.

728
00:25:31,680 --> 00:25:32,920
>> I'm just going to add two quick

729
00:25:32,920 --> 00:25:34,160
comments. First of all, thank you again,

730
00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:35,960
Roger, for yours and Plaman's help with

731
00:25:35,960 --> 00:25:37,960
this. Um like I said, there's a lot of

732
00:25:37,960 --> 00:25:39,720
not glamorous stuff that happens early

733
00:25:39,720 --> 00:25:41,120
in this process, and the resort's been a

734
00:25:41,120 --> 00:25:43,280
great partner in helping make this work.

735
00:25:43,280 --> 00:25:44,840
Uh the second thing is that now that

736
00:25:44,840 --> 00:25:46,320
we're going to start seeing measurable

737
00:25:46,320 --> 00:25:48,880
process progress, uh the plan for now is

738
00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:50,160
to update monthly through the

739
00:25:50,160 --> 00:25:51,400
infrastructure and public works

740
00:25:51,400 --> 00:25:53,760
committee, um and then as need be, bring

741
00:25:53,760 --> 00:25:56,320
it forward to town council as more major

742
00:25:56,320 --> 00:25:58,640
activities happening uh as or as as

743
00:25:58,640 --> 00:26:00,080
requested.

744
00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:01,720
>> Absolutely. We remain committed to

745
00:26:01,720 --> 00:26:03,600
keeping the dialogue open and happy to

746
00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:05,320
answer any questions, and

747
00:26:05,320 --> 00:26:06,960
uh appreciate your partnership and and

748
00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:08,240
all of the help that we've already had.

749
00:26:08,240 --> 00:26:09,400
It's It's been great coming down to the

750
00:26:09,400 --> 00:26:11,040
island, and and we're really excited to

751
00:26:11,040 --> 00:26:13,160
bring um stronger connectivity.

752
00:26:13,160 --> 00:26:14,800
>> I do have one more comment. I said this

753
00:26:14,800 --> 00:26:16,880
earlier, but um

754
00:26:16,880 --> 00:26:18,440
this doesn't cost us anything except for

755
00:26:18,440 --> 00:26:20,000
helping them do it.

756
00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:21,640
The carriers and Crown Castle make the

757
00:26:21,640 --> 00:26:23,120
investment in this, so they see the

758
00:26:23,120 --> 00:26:24,800
value in doing this for Kiawah.

759
00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:26,240
>> And And that's a great point, Lance, and

760
00:26:26,240 --> 00:26:27,800
I and I would just note that those three

761
00:26:27,800 --> 00:26:29,560
other sites after Ocean Course are going

762
00:26:29,560 --> 00:26:32,600
to be carrier um driven. So, we we

763
00:26:32,600 --> 00:26:34,000
remain committed to providing those

764
00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:35,960
solutions. Those carrier commitments

765
00:26:35,960 --> 00:26:37,720
have also been shared with us, and and

766
00:26:37,720 --> 00:26:40,040
so we we're really excited to not only

767
00:26:40,040 --> 00:26:41,640
complete Ocean Course, but then to see

768
00:26:41,640 --> 00:26:43,080
that domino effect for the rest of the

769
00:26:43,080 --> 00:26:44,880
community thereafter.

770
00:26:44,880 --> 00:26:45,480
>> Thanks, Carl.

771
00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:48,430
>> thank you all.

772
00:26:48,440 --> 00:26:49,920
» Thank you, gentlemen. And again, I want

773
00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:52,600
to commend uh Council Member Spencer's

774
00:26:52,600 --> 00:26:54,960
uh leadership on this issue uh from the

775
00:26:54,960 --> 00:26:57,640
get-go. Uh without his uh persistence

776
00:26:57,640 --> 00:26:59,320
and drive, none of this uh would have

777
00:26:59,320 --> 00:27:02,200
been possible. Uh thank you. Uh move on

778
00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:04,400
to updates. Uh

779
00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:06,920
I will begin uh first with a couple of

780
00:27:06,920 --> 00:27:09,160
brief uh uh updates regarding Captain

781
00:27:09,160 --> 00:27:12,560
Sam Spite. Um as I expect many people

782
00:27:12,560 --> 00:27:15,560
are aware, maybe not every one, um when

783
00:27:15,560 --> 00:27:18,320
we met uh last month, um

784
00:27:18,320 --> 00:27:20,800
the issue with regard to the state's the

785
00:27:20,800 --> 00:27:24,120
commitment to provide uh its uh

786
00:27:24,120 --> 00:27:27,240
the state uh legislatures um

787
00:27:27,240 --> 00:27:29,600
uh authorization of funds to support the

788
00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:31,120
state's commitment towards the

789
00:27:31,120 --> 00:27:33,520
settlement had not yet occurred. It was

790
00:27:33,520 --> 00:27:35,520
still in budget committee, conference

791
00:27:35,520 --> 00:27:37,720
committee. Um that conference committee

792
00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:42,480
report was issued and uh the $32 million

793
00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:44,680
that the state was obligated to

794
00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:47,360
provide into the settlement agreement um

795
00:27:47,360 --> 00:27:49,840
was in the final conference report. Uh

796
00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:51,200
it's still not been acted on by the

797
00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:53,320
legislature, but uh the the conference

798
00:27:53,320 --> 00:27:55,800
report is scheduled to be considered by

799
00:27:55,800 --> 00:27:58,360
the state legislature a week from today.

800
00:27:58,360 --> 00:28:00,400
Uh and it's an up and down vote. Full

801
00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:02,960
expectation is that [snorts]

802
00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:03,920
um

803
00:28:03,920 --> 00:28:06,560
uh that will pass and then it will move

804
00:28:06,560 --> 00:28:10,040
to uh the governor who is expected to

805
00:28:10,040 --> 00:28:12,480
sign that. Um

806
00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:14,520
that's really just the end of the first

807
00:28:14,520 --> 00:28:17,600
inning in many respects. Uh critical uh

808
00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:19,720
steps that had to take place, but we're

809
00:28:19,720 --> 00:28:22,240
a long way from kind of final execution

810
00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:23,360
of everything that's in in the

811
00:28:23,360 --> 00:28:25,400
settlement agreement. There'll be more

812
00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:27,000
opportunity to talk about some of those

813
00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:29,160
steps uh that will have to take place,

814
00:28:29,160 --> 00:28:30,960
but some will involve town actions,

815
00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:32,640
particularly with regard to the planning

816
00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:34,680
commission and subdivision of the

817
00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:37,640
Captain Sam Spite uh parcel. So, we'll

818
00:28:37,640 --> 00:28:40,080
continue to keep you up apprised of of

819
00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:42,120
developments in that regard. Uh the

820
00:28:42,120 --> 00:28:46,800
second uh Sam Spite uh update is with regard to another

821
00:28:46,800 --> 00:28:49,400
matter we discussed last week, which was

822
00:28:49,400 --> 00:28:51,680
uh uh suppose proposed uh our

823
00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:54,920
application to the US Army Corps and to

824
00:28:54,920 --> 00:29:00,040
DES for a new inlet relocation. Um uh

825
00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:01,680
they put out a press release a

826
00:29:01,680 --> 00:29:04,000
week or two ago indicating that that

827
00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:06,720
permit application had been withdrawn.

828
00:29:06,720 --> 00:29:08,800
Um they characterized it as due

829
00:29:08,800 --> 00:29:09,600
primarily [clears throat]

830
00:29:09,600 --> 00:29:12,040
to timing considerations and questions

831
00:29:12,040 --> 00:29:13,880
regard regarding ownership of Captain

832
00:29:13,880 --> 00:29:16,160
Sam's Spit and that they would intend to

833
00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:18,360
resubmit that application at a

834
00:29:18,360 --> 00:29:20,480
subsequent date. I will simply reiterate

835
00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:22,200
as I've said time and time again, will

836
00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:28,790
continue to say, uh those are necessary,

837
00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:31,320
but not sufficient steps for there ever

838
00:29:31,320 --> 00:29:33,480
to be an inlet relocation. At the end of

839
00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:35,200
the day, there is no

840
00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:37,520
inlet relocation without the town's

841
00:29:37,520 --> 00:29:40,360
approval, and long before that happens,

842
00:29:40,360 --> 00:29:43,320
there will be an extensive

843
00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:46,160
that the next uh agenda item is uh with

844
00:29:46,160 --> 00:29:48,360
regard to a matter that came to our

845
00:29:48,360 --> 00:29:52,920
attention um uh earlier uh last month.

846
00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:56,560
Uh and it was related to a letter that

847
00:29:56,560 --> 00:29:59,200
or memo that went out from the uh

848
00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:02,040
architectural review board to builders

849
00:30:02,040 --> 00:30:04,280
and contractors, and it looks like about

850
00:30:04,280 --> 00:30:09,120
300 or so entities on an email list. Um

851
00:30:09,120 --> 00:30:13,200
uh that memo raised significant concerns

852
00:30:13,200 --> 00:30:14,920
and was really kind of stunning in its

853
00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:17,760
inaccuracy and its overreach.

854
00:30:17,760 --> 00:30:21,760
Um the memo said, amongst other things,

855
00:30:21,760 --> 00:30:24,160
that uh the ARB has noticed an

856
00:30:24,160 --> 00:30:25,960
increasing trend of contractors

857
00:30:25,960 --> 00:30:27,880
undertaking work on properties without

858
00:30:27,880 --> 00:30:30,400
obtaining necessary approval, and to do

859
00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:32,960
so is illegal under our binding

860
00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:34,520
covenants.

861
00:30:34,520 --> 00:30:36,680
Uh that they would be subject to fines

862
00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:39,840
and further actions, and it even cites

863
00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:41,440
and mis-sites

864
00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:44,280
uh pretty substantially, uh state law

865
00:30:44,280 --> 00:30:47,000
provision dealing with with restrictive

866
00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:49,560
covenants. Um, had a follow-up meeting

867
00:30:49,560 --> 00:30:51,720
with a couple of representatives of the

868
00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:53,520
ARB. I think that was a generally

869
00:30:53,520 --> 00:30:55,760
constructive meeting. Uh,

870
00:30:55,760 --> 00:30:58,160
where we left it was the hope that that

871
00:30:58,160 --> 00:31:01,440
the ARB itself would undertake to send

872
00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:05,760
out a corrective uh, memo or letter. Um,

873
00:31:05,760 --> 00:31:08,160
uh, that hasn't happened thus far. Some

874
00:31:08,160 --> 00:31:10,160
indication that there may be one

875
00:31:10,160 --> 00:31:13,040
forthcoming. Uh, if not, the town will

876
00:31:13,040 --> 00:31:16,240
put out something to correct the record.

877
00:31:16,240 --> 00:31:20,200
And the thing that we have to understand

878
00:31:20,200 --> 00:31:23,520
here is that the Architectural Review

879
00:31:23,520 --> 00:31:27,160
Board has review authority with regard

880
00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:29,320
to buildings, fences, and structures and

881
00:31:29,320 --> 00:31:32,000
the aesthetic aspects of those under the

882
00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:33,480
general covenants.

883
00:31:33,480 --> 00:31:36,200
No responsibility whatsoever for

884
00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:38,520
builders and contractors on the island.

885
00:31:38,520 --> 00:31:40,400
If there are issues with road

886
00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:43,280
contractors or builders, then and they

887
00:31:43,280 --> 00:31:45,480
don't have a building permit, then the

888
00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:47,080
town should be advised. If they don't

889
00:31:47,080 --> 00:31:48,320
have an encroachment permit from the

890
00:31:48,320 --> 00:31:51,280
ARB, KICA should be advised.

891
00:31:51,280 --> 00:31:54,000
But, when you combine this memo

892
00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:55,680
with what's in Designing with Nature,

893
00:31:55,680 --> 00:31:57,760
which itself does not have the force of

894
00:31:57,760 --> 00:32:01,840
law, that actually says on page 49

895
00:32:01,840 --> 00:32:05,960
that violations of the standards

896
00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:07,400
may result in the suspension of a

897
00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:10,240
building permit and

898
00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:12,320
violators being prohibited from working

899
00:32:12,320 --> 00:32:14,840
on Kiawah Island.

900
00:32:14,840 --> 00:32:16,520
Beyond aesthetic considerations of

901
00:32:16,520 --> 00:32:18,920
building fences and structures,

902
00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:20,760
the Designing with Nature purports to

903
00:32:20,760 --> 00:32:24,320
regulate the conduct and appearance

904
00:32:24,320 --> 00:32:26,360
of builders and contractors and

905
00:32:26,360 --> 00:32:28,360
construction workers. Loud vehicles and

906
00:32:28,360 --> 00:32:30,840
speeding are not allowed on the island.

907
00:32:30,840 --> 00:32:33,160
Well, that's true.

908
00:32:33,160 --> 00:32:35,040
Uh, and we're certainly going to enforce

909
00:32:35,040 --> 00:32:38,440
that and KICA can, but ARB has no

910
00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:41,760
authority to enforce either Kika rules

911
00:32:41,760 --> 00:32:44,560
or regulations or town ordinances.

912
00:32:44,560 --> 00:32:45,760
Construction workers are not allowed to

913
00:32:45,760 --> 00:32:47,680
loiter around island businesses. I don't

914
00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:50,080
know if ARB staff is around there trying

915
00:32:50,080 --> 00:32:51,920
to determine who's loitering or not.

916
00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:53,480
Construction workers are required to

917
00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:55,520
wear shirts and shoes. May be a good

918
00:32:55,520 --> 00:32:56,760
thing.

919
00:32:56,760 --> 00:32:59,360
But it's not for an architectural review

920
00:32:59,360 --> 00:33:03,840
body to be purporting to regulate the

921
00:33:03,840 --> 00:33:06,640
conduct of construction workers with

922
00:33:06,640 --> 00:33:08,480
which they have no contractual privity.

923
00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:11,000
It's got to stop.

924
00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:13,280
So, I hope there will be correct or

925
00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:14,600
things. I hope some of these will be

926
00:33:14,600 --> 00:33:16,760
addressed in um

927
00:33:16,760 --> 00:33:20,080
in uh uh the revisions uh which we hope

928
00:33:20,080 --> 00:33:22,120
for will be forthcoming revisions to

929
00:33:22,120 --> 00:33:23,880
designing with nature. Oh, it also says

930
00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:25,840
that they can issue stop orders uh stop

931
00:33:25,840 --> 00:33:27,520
work orders. Again,

932
00:33:27,520 --> 00:33:28,400
uh

933
00:33:28,400 --> 00:33:31,320
none of that's in the general covenants.

934
00:33:31,320 --> 00:33:32,400
It's got to stop.

935
00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:33,560
>> Mr. Commissioner Dessen also mentioned

936
00:33:33,560 --> 00:33:34,960
something about they can grant

937
00:33:34,960 --> 00:33:36,640
variances.

938
00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:39,000
>> Uh well, that's a that's a completely

939
00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:40,520
separate set of issues and maybe I'll

940
00:33:40,520 --> 00:33:43,040
touch upon that in the next ARB related

941
00:33:43,040 --> 00:33:46,280
issues. But yes, it does say uh in the I

942
00:33:46,280 --> 00:33:48,240
think the words in designing with nature

943
00:33:48,240 --> 00:33:50,440
are that

944
00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:53,840
uh

945
00:33:53,840 --> 00:33:55,480
rules and guidelines on building

946
00:33:55,480 --> 00:33:57,760
setbacks, lot coverage, building height,

947
00:33:57,760 --> 00:33:59,920
and square footage are determined by the

948
00:33:59,920 --> 00:34:02,920
ARB and the AB ARB determines in its

949
00:34:02,920 --> 00:34:05,440
sole discretion that a variance uh may

950
00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:06,720
be granted.

951
00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:07,760
Um but it's

952
00:34:07,760 --> 00:34:09,280
>> That's factually not true also.

953
00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:10,320
>> Mhm.

954
00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:13,879
Well, it's it's a nuanced issue.

955
00:34:13,879 --> 00:34:15,760
Obviously, all of those standards are

956
00:34:15,760 --> 00:34:18,600
embedded in the town zoning code and the

957
00:34:18,600 --> 00:34:21,480
board of zoning appeals is the only body

958
00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:23,360
which can grant variances from the

959
00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:24,960
zoning ordinance the

960
00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:27,240
and land development regulations.

961
00:34:27,240 --> 00:34:30,000
Yes, by private covenant

962
00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:33,440
private parties can be more restrictive.

963
00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:35,840
And the ARB may choose to do so, but

964
00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:37,760
only more restrictive and they only can

965
00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:41,480
grant uh some allowance from their more

966
00:34:41,480 --> 00:34:45,720
restrictive uh uh uh standards or guidelines. But the idea

967
00:34:45,720 --> 00:34:47,639
that somehow this the private sector

968
00:34:47,639 --> 00:34:50,159
body is actually a is a sole body to

969
00:34:50,159 --> 00:34:51,399
determine

970
00:34:51,399 --> 00:34:52,200
um uh

971
00:34:52,200 --> 00:34:53,720
lot coverage, building height, square

972
00:34:53,720 --> 00:34:56,320
footage, and and having sole discretion

973
00:34:56,320 --> 00:34:58,440
to establish variances is just just

974
00:34:58,440 --> 00:34:58,880
wrong.

975
00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:00,440
>> I- I- I- If I could just add a

976
00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:02,080
perspective that, you know, I think one

977
00:35:02,080 --> 00:35:03,360
reason it's important to clarify

978
00:35:03,360 --> 00:35:06,040
communication and rules is Kiawah is

979
00:35:06,040 --> 00:35:08,680
hard enough for construction companies.

980
00:35:08,680 --> 00:35:09,880
I mean, everybody's struggling with

981
00:35:09,880 --> 00:35:11,080
finding somebody that can build in a

982
00:35:11,080 --> 00:35:12,960
sufficient timeline or renovation or

983
00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:14,320
something like that. And there's the

984
00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:16,640
Kiawah premium to get out here and and

985
00:35:16,640 --> 00:35:18,600
do all the things we want done. There's

986
00:35:18,600 --> 00:35:20,480
a lot of construction going on in Johns

987
00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:22,480
Island, Edisto, all kinds of other

988
00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:23,760
places.

989
00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:28,520
Um it concerns me that this will be another

990
00:35:28,520 --> 00:35:32,840
nail in the coffin of it's too hard to build a Kiawah and to work a Kiawah.

991
00:35:32,840 --> 00:35:34,000
I'm going to take my crew somewhere

992
00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:36,470
else.

993
00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:39,720
» That somewhat relates to uh the second

994
00:35:39,720 --> 00:35:41,920
issue I want to touch upon uh regarding

995
00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:45,160
the tangentially ARB, uh but also uh the

996
00:35:45,160 --> 00:35:48,360
community association and the ongoing

997
00:35:48,360 --> 00:35:50,840
negotiations regarding finalizing an

998
00:35:50,840 --> 00:35:54,320
omnibus agreement between KICA and uh

999
00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:56,360
Kiawah Partners regarding a wide range

1000
00:35:56,360 --> 00:35:58,280
of matters, one of which is the

1001
00:35:58,280 --> 00:36:01,760
transition of some architectural

1002
00:36:01,760 --> 00:36:04,560
authority, whether it's all or not, from

1003
00:36:04,560 --> 00:36:11,000
uh the developer ARB to KICA. Um I had a conversation a good good conversation

1004
00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:13,800
with uh the KICA board chair uh uh

1005
00:36:13,800 --> 00:36:16,480
week ago Monday catching up on a number

1006
00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:17,520
of things and appreciate that

1007
00:36:17,520 --> 00:36:20,360
opportunity engage, and she noted at

1008
00:36:20,360 --> 00:36:22,360
that time that um

1009
00:36:22,360 --> 00:36:25,040
the board uh was prepared to send to the

1010
00:36:25,040 --> 00:36:29,440
council a letter that requested the

1011
00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:33,720
council to move forward with

1012
00:36:33,720 --> 00:36:34,960
I don't know I don't know because we

1013
00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:36,960
haven't seen the letter disbanding the

1014
00:36:36,960 --> 00:36:39,320
design of the town's design review board

1015
00:36:39,320 --> 00:36:41,840
or carving back its jurisdiction or

1016
00:36:41,840 --> 00:36:44,280
reach with regard to perhaps properties

1017
00:36:44,280 --> 00:36:45,600
that were subject to the general

1018
00:36:45,600 --> 00:36:49,080
covenants or or Kiawah covenants.

1019
00:36:49,080 --> 00:36:51,560
I I stated at the time and by the way

1020
00:36:51,560 --> 00:36:53,520
that issue also just came up when we had

1021
00:36:53,520 --> 00:36:55,280
our first meeting of our design review

1022
00:36:55,280 --> 00:36:57,440
board on Wednesday. I wasn't there but

1023
00:36:57,440 --> 00:36:59,880
watched the meeting afterwards and that

1024
00:36:59,880 --> 00:37:04,120
same kind of issue came up.

1025
00:37:04,120 --> 00:37:06,120
It wasn't clear to me what was driving

1026
00:37:06,120 --> 00:37:09,440
the timing of this and but I think it's

1027
00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:11,600
important to to step back a little bit

1028
00:37:11,600 --> 00:37:14,120
so people in the community more broadly

1029
00:37:14,120 --> 00:37:16,880
understand or recall why it is that the

1030
00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:20,200
town established its own design review

1031
00:37:20,200 --> 00:37:22,200
board and we did that back in now

1032
00:37:22,200 --> 00:37:23,480
October.

1033
00:37:23,480 --> 00:37:27,680
of 2025. And it was born out of

1034
00:37:27,680 --> 00:37:29,960
a view and I think this was a consensus

1035
00:37:29,960 --> 00:37:32,760
view that there is a strong public

1036
00:37:32,760 --> 00:37:37,360
interest in design of of

1037
00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:40,040
buildings in the town of Kiawah Island

1038
00:37:40,040 --> 00:37:41,840
particularly larger commercial

1039
00:37:41,840 --> 00:37:44,120
multi-family

1040
00:37:44,120 --> 00:37:46,320
projects and that that public interest

1041
00:37:46,320 --> 00:37:48,360
wasn't

1042
00:37:48,360 --> 00:37:50,320
particularly well satisfied in all

1043
00:37:50,320 --> 00:37:53,440
instances by having the review only

1044
00:37:53,440 --> 00:37:58,480
undertaken by a third-party private ARB

1045
00:37:58,480 --> 00:38:01,160
that is not particularly transparent.

1046
00:38:01,160 --> 00:38:03,120
And for which there is no real

1047
00:38:03,120 --> 00:38:06,200
accountability and is sometimes

1048
00:38:06,200 --> 00:38:08,040
characterized by conflicts of interest.

1049
00:38:08,040 --> 00:38:09,800
So the town went down the path to

1050
00:38:09,800 --> 00:38:11,400
establish its own

1051
00:38:11,400 --> 00:38:13,640
design review board.

1052
00:38:13,640 --> 00:38:17,360
Mindful of the fact that what what's not

1053
00:38:17,360 --> 00:38:21,000
necessarily good for anybody is to have

1054
00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:23,960
multiple layers of

1055
00:38:23,960 --> 00:38:25,920
architectural review and in particular

1056
00:38:25,920 --> 00:38:28,920
in conflicting architectural review,

1057
00:38:28,920 --> 00:38:31,440
the town included a proviso a sense of

1058
00:38:31,440 --> 00:38:33,320
the council at the time that we passed

1059
00:38:33,320 --> 00:38:36,160
the DRB that said

1060
00:38:36,160 --> 00:38:37,480
and I

1061
00:38:37,480 --> 00:38:40,200
not exact but this is what their terms

1062
00:38:40,200 --> 00:38:44,280
would said if architectural control is transferred

1063
00:38:44,280 --> 00:38:47,240
from the developer ARB to Kika on or

1064
00:38:47,240 --> 00:38:52,560
below on or before June 30th of 2026

1065
00:38:52,560 --> 00:38:56,640
then the council would revisit the DRB

1066
00:38:56,640 --> 00:38:59,640
to consider an appropriate waiver carve

1067
00:38:59,640 --> 00:39:02,120
out from the application or scope of the

1068
00:39:02,120 --> 00:39:05,960
town's DRB to Kika related properties.

1069
00:39:05,960 --> 00:39:09,520
Well, obviously the conditions haven't

1070
00:39:09,520 --> 00:39:12,400
been met yet. I mean it's I

1071
00:39:12,400 --> 00:39:14,080
it's my understanding still as of today

1072
00:39:14,080 --> 00:39:15,680
there's been no execution there's not

1073
00:39:15,680 --> 00:39:18,160
been any finalization of the Omnibus

1074
00:39:18,160 --> 00:39:19,760
agreement

1075
00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:22,840
that that would affect transfer in whole

1076
00:39:22,840 --> 00:39:24,400
or in part

1077
00:39:24,400 --> 00:39:26,640
from the

1078
00:39:26,640 --> 00:39:30,800
developer to Kika and but that's I mean

1079
00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:32,880
we can still reconsider the problem is

1080
00:39:32,880 --> 00:39:35,240
we don't know what we don't know right

1081
00:39:35,240 --> 00:39:42,200
now as all we can rely on is the memorandum of understanding

1082
00:39:42,200 --> 00:39:45,160
that was made public back in January

1083
00:39:45,160 --> 00:39:47,480
not having yet reviewed the Omnibus

1084
00:39:47,480 --> 00:39:49,240
agreement. Bottom line is there has been

1085
00:39:49,240 --> 00:39:51,600
no transfer we don't know exactly what

1086
00:39:51,600 --> 00:39:54,880
that transfer entails. But it would be

1087
00:39:54,880 --> 00:39:59,280
my commitment is to when we actually

1088
00:39:59,280 --> 00:40:02,080
understand what the parameters are what

1089
00:40:02,080 --> 00:40:04,000
the terms and conditions are associated

1090
00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:06,080
with that with the phasing is that would

1091
00:40:06,080 --> 00:40:08,800
be the time to sit down and and take a

1092
00:40:08,800 --> 00:40:12,840
fresh look at the scope of our our DRB.

1093
00:40:12,840 --> 00:40:16,400
Whether that's soon or many months down

1094
00:40:16,400 --> 00:40:18,800
the road not clear until we see it, but

1095
00:40:18,800 --> 00:40:21,840
I would note that from the MOU

1096
00:40:21,840 --> 00:40:23,920
that there was the MOU did not

1097
00:40:23,920 --> 00:40:26,520
contemplate a full transition

1098
00:40:26,520 --> 00:40:28,960
of architectural review authority from

1099
00:40:28,960 --> 00:40:32,120
the developer to the Kika ARB and would

1100
00:40:32,120 --> 00:40:35,600
only happen over the course of several

1101
00:40:35,600 --> 00:40:37,160
phases

1102
00:40:37,160 --> 00:40:38,840
and some of those did not have hard

1103
00:40:38,840 --> 00:40:42,040
deadlines associated with that. The

1104
00:40:42,040 --> 00:40:43,640
other challenge and this came up a

1105
00:40:43,640 --> 00:40:46,920
little bit in the context of the meeting

1106
00:40:46,920 --> 00:40:48,720
with the DRB about the process of

1107
00:40:48,720 --> 00:40:52,160
starting to establish town standards is

1108
00:40:52,160 --> 00:40:54,680
the DRB members were asking well, don't

1109
00:40:54,680 --> 00:40:56,960
we want to kind of try to line up with

1110
00:40:56,960 --> 00:41:00,480
the standards for the ARB.

1111
00:41:00,480 --> 00:41:03,160
The problem there

1112
00:41:03,160 --> 00:41:06,880
is in 70-some pages of designing with

1113
00:41:06,880 --> 00:41:08,760
nature

1114
00:41:08,760 --> 00:41:11,040
on page 29

1115
00:41:11,040 --> 00:41:12,280
there's

1116
00:41:12,280 --> 00:41:14,720
two sentences that pertain to commercial

1117
00:41:14,720 --> 00:41:17,200
and multi-family buildings.

1118
00:41:17,200 --> 00:41:19,480
That's it. It just says that

1119
00:41:19,480 --> 00:41:21,920
the design philosophy formulated with

1120
00:41:21,920 --> 00:41:23,200
these standards guidelines shall be

1121
00:41:23,200 --> 00:41:25,600
implied from single family with similar

1122
00:41:25,600 --> 00:41:28,120
intent to these project types, but

1123
00:41:28,120 --> 00:41:31,920
that's it. Now at the DRB meeting

1124
00:41:31,920 --> 00:41:34,160
Amanda Moll from the ARB did indicate

1125
00:41:34,160 --> 00:41:37,440
she was going to start working on

1126
00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:39,640
new standards for commercial

1127
00:41:39,640 --> 00:41:42,000
multi-family, but those haven't happened

1128
00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:43,360
yet. So

1129
00:41:43,360 --> 00:41:45,520
we haven't seen that. So to be

1130
00:41:45,520 --> 00:41:47,720
continued, but my view was I what I

1131
00:41:47,720 --> 00:41:49,640
conveyed was you can send a letter to

1132
00:41:49,640 --> 00:41:51,280
us, but it'd be premature for us to

1133
00:41:51,280 --> 00:41:53,560
consider until we have a lot more

1134
00:41:53,560 --> 00:41:55,080
information.

1135
00:41:55,080 --> 00:41:57,120
And then even then there are going to be

1136
00:41:57,120 --> 00:42:00,240
have to be discussions about what

1137
00:42:00,240 --> 00:42:05,400
exactly is carved out if at all.

1138
00:42:05,400 --> 00:42:08,240
Is it all commercial multi-family behind

1139
00:42:08,240 --> 00:42:10,480
the gate? It can't be well, at at in my

1140
00:42:10,480 --> 00:42:12,480
opinion. My fellow council members may

1141
00:42:12,480 --> 00:42:13,800
disagree,

1142
00:42:13,800 --> 00:42:17,280
all property subject to the KICA

1143
00:42:17,280 --> 00:42:18,760
covenants of the general covenants cuz

1144
00:42:18,760 --> 00:42:21,600
that would include properties outside

1145
00:42:21,600 --> 00:42:22,960
the main gate

1146
00:42:22,960 --> 00:42:24,640
that are encroach upon public

1147
00:42:24,640 --> 00:42:26,920
rights-of-way along Beachwalker Drive,

1148
00:42:26,920 --> 00:42:28,520
you know, whether that's Ocean Pines,

1149
00:42:28,520 --> 00:42:31,360
upper Beachwalker, the gas station, KIRE

1150
00:42:31,360 --> 00:42:34,880
building, etc. Even more ironically, it

1151
00:42:34,880 --> 00:42:37,040
would purport to give, since the town is

1152
00:42:37,040 --> 00:42:39,280
bound by to

1153
00:42:39,280 --> 00:42:41,880
submit for ARB review for certain types

1154
00:42:41,880 --> 00:42:44,640
of projects on KIP and Beachwalker Drive

1155
00:42:44,640 --> 00:42:46,400
going all the way out to the roundabout,

1156
00:42:46,400 --> 00:42:49,760
would somehow give KICA review authority

1157
00:42:49,760 --> 00:42:52,360
over stuff that goes all the way out

1158
00:42:52,360 --> 00:42:53,720
towards Freshfields Village, which

1159
00:42:53,720 --> 00:42:56,480
doesn't seem to make a lot of sense. And

1160
00:42:56,480 --> 00:42:58,080
then we've just got to kind of work

1161
00:42:58,080 --> 00:43:00,920
through Designing with Nature, these

1162
00:43:00,920 --> 00:43:03,400
provisions that have,

1163
00:43:03,400 --> 00:43:05,720
you know, conflict with town ordinances,

1164
00:43:05,720 --> 00:43:09,480
and there are many, many others.

1165
00:43:09,480 --> 00:43:11,920
The the problem there is, at least based

1166
00:43:11,920 --> 00:43:18,320
on the MOU, the KICA board has now onboarded,

1167
00:43:18,320 --> 00:43:20,040
they've adopted Designing with Nature

1168
00:43:20,040 --> 00:43:22,600
and actually recorded those. So, now

1169
00:43:22,600 --> 00:43:25,120
their provisions start conflicting with

1170
00:43:25,120 --> 00:43:27,280
the towns. And while they've said they

1171
00:43:27,280 --> 00:43:29,600
would change those, the MOU at least, I

1172
00:43:29,600 --> 00:43:31,280
don't know about the Omnibus Agreement,

1173
00:43:31,280 --> 00:43:34,440
provides that no changes can be made to

1174
00:43:34,440 --> 00:43:36,360
this without the developer ARB's

1175
00:43:36,360 --> 00:43:39,520
approval prior to the end of phase four.

1176
00:43:39,520 --> 00:43:41,640
Again, that's all based on the MOU.

1177
00:43:41,640 --> 00:43:44,000
We'll just have to see. So,

1178
00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:45,640
I don't know if my fellow council

1179
00:43:45,640 --> 00:43:49,800
members have different perspectives on either of those issues.

1180
00:43:49,800 --> 00:43:51,600
>> Well, the only thing that maybe not the

1181
00:43:51,600 --> 00:43:52,880
only thing, but the main thing that I

1182
00:43:52,880 --> 00:43:53,960
have

1183
00:43:53,960 --> 00:43:55,440
in talking to you and in talking to

1184
00:43:55,440 --> 00:43:57,240
others is

1185
00:43:57,240 --> 00:43:58,520
um

1186
00:43:58,520 --> 00:44:03,200
meeting the deadline is past for

1187
00:44:03,200 --> 00:44:05,480
us to maybe pull back.

1188
00:44:05,480 --> 00:44:07,560
Now, for me, for us to pull back any

1189
00:44:07,560 --> 00:44:09,320
further, it's not just meeting the

1190
00:44:09,320 --> 00:44:12,080
deadlines that would be extended, but

1191
00:44:12,080 --> 00:44:14,800
also see how the execution works.

1192
00:44:14,800 --> 00:44:16,480
So,

1193
00:44:16,480 --> 00:44:18,840
I'm not of a mind to to pull back just

1194
00:44:18,840 --> 00:44:21,280
because a new letter's been signed. I

1195
00:44:21,280 --> 00:44:23,480
want to see how their ARB works, and are

1196
00:44:23,480 --> 00:44:25,200
they doing the things and being

1197
00:44:25,200 --> 00:44:27,800
transparent? Are they following up? Are

1198
00:44:27,800 --> 00:44:31,200
they making sure the designs there are there established procedures

1199
00:44:31,200 --> 00:44:33,320
in place and requirements?

1200
00:44:33,320 --> 00:44:35,200
So, it's more than just, okay, we've

1201
00:44:35,200 --> 00:44:36,800
stood this up now. It's really the

1202
00:44:36,800 --> 00:44:39,280
execution of how that works going

1203
00:44:39,280 --> 00:44:41,680
forward, and is it working well?

1204
00:44:41,680 --> 00:44:43,760
>> I share both of your concerns and and

1205
00:44:43,760 --> 00:44:45,640
views.

1206
00:44:45,640 --> 00:44:48,760
You know, short of the MOU in January, I

1207
00:44:48,760 --> 00:44:50,360
believe it was, which was supposed to be

1208
00:44:50,360 --> 00:44:52,080
done 60 days, and I was skeptical of

1209
00:44:52,080 --> 00:44:53,440
that cuz it takes a long time to do that

1210
00:44:53,440 --> 00:44:55,600
stuff. It's ambitious, but it does take

1211
00:44:55,600 --> 00:44:57,200
time to do that stuff.

1212
00:44:57,200 --> 00:45:00,040
It's no fault. It just was aggressive.

1213
00:45:00,040 --> 00:45:02,800
I've had no visibility into anything

1214
00:45:02,800 --> 00:45:05,360
else. So, for us to roll back or carve

1215
00:45:05,360 --> 00:45:07,560
out anything, like you both have said,

1216
00:45:07,560 --> 00:45:10,080
it is very premature in my mind.

1217
00:45:10,080 --> 00:45:11,560
I have a lot of questions, and like you

1218
00:45:11,560 --> 00:45:15,070
said, Council Member Farrell, um

1219
00:45:15,080 --> 00:45:17,280
It needs to be up and operating and

1220
00:45:17,280 --> 00:45:19,600
prove itself for I think the town to

1221
00:45:19,600 --> 00:45:21,160
consider cuz right now we we

1222
00:45:21,160 --> 00:45:24,200
deliberately established a backstop that

1223
00:45:24,200 --> 00:45:25,920
was to be put in place until all this

1224
00:45:25,920 --> 00:45:27,800
could get resolved, and to make sure

1225
00:45:27,800 --> 00:45:28,960
we're looking out for the best interests

1226
00:45:28,960 --> 00:45:31,720
of the community in the meantime. And

1227
00:45:31,720 --> 00:45:33,200
we're going through work which requires

1228
00:45:33,200 --> 00:45:35,680
effort and expense and and and

1229
00:45:35,680 --> 00:45:38,000
lots of things to stand up and actualize

1230
00:45:38,000 --> 00:45:40,160
our DRB at the same time.

1231
00:45:40,160 --> 00:45:40,840
Um

1232
00:45:40,840 --> 00:45:42,560
Turning something off is easy. Turning

1233
00:45:42,560 --> 00:45:43,800
something on and rebuilding it or

1234
00:45:43,800 --> 00:45:46,440
building it is hard. So, I I don't want

1235
00:45:46,440 --> 00:45:47,600
to waste that effort we've had in

1236
00:45:47,600 --> 00:45:50,560
building that backstop until we've

1237
00:45:50,560 --> 00:45:53,200
really seen it prove itself because it

1238
00:45:53,200 --> 00:45:55,280
could change as a matter of resolution

1239
00:45:55,280 --> 00:45:56,840
at the next Kika board meeting if if

1240
00:45:56,840 --> 00:45:58,520
we're not careful. So, I would need some

1241
00:45:58,520 --> 00:46:00,280
kind of confidence that that that's in

1242
00:46:00,280 --> 00:46:01,400
place.

1243
00:46:01,400 --> 00:46:03,040
Um, I've got a whole list of concerns in

1244
00:46:03,040 --> 00:46:04,400
my head that

1245
00:46:04,400 --> 00:46:06,120
um, I would love to hear from Kika more

1246
00:46:06,120 --> 00:46:07,680
on when they're ready to share this as

1247
00:46:07,680 --> 00:46:10,080
to how this is going to be and and and

1248
00:46:10,080 --> 00:46:11,360
how it's progressing and how it's

1249
00:46:11,360 --> 00:46:12,600
operating.

1250
00:46:12,600 --> 00:46:14,960
Um, one of my questions was authority

1251
00:46:14,960 --> 00:46:16,280
and enforcement like you mentioned

1252
00:46:16,280 --> 00:46:18,360
Maribel. Um,

1253
00:46:18,360 --> 00:46:21,080
I may be misconnecting something but I

1254
00:46:21,080 --> 00:46:22,640
don't believe that covenant change

1255
00:46:22,640 --> 00:46:25,800
passed in the Kika vote for Kika to be

1256
00:46:25,800 --> 00:46:28,920
able to force fines and penalties. So, I

1257
00:46:28,920 --> 00:46:30,040
don't know what their enforcement

1258
00:46:30,040 --> 00:46:32,200
mechanism is just as a starting point.

1259
00:46:32,200 --> 00:46:34,800
It it it may just be hollow paper and

1260
00:46:34,800 --> 00:46:35,920
you know, great we had a meeting but we

1261
00:46:35,920 --> 00:46:37,640
can't do anything about it. So, those

1262
00:46:37,640 --> 00:46:39,680
are the kinds of questions I've got of

1263
00:46:39,680 --> 00:46:41,280
how are you going to enforce it? You

1264
00:46:41,280 --> 00:46:42,640
know, just basic things.

1265
00:46:42,640 --> 00:46:44,040
>> The other thing that comes to mind for

1266
00:46:44,040 --> 00:46:50,800
me is if I recall correctly, I saw the original MOU back in January

1267
00:46:50,800 --> 00:46:53,200
and it talked about transferring from

1268
00:46:53,200 --> 00:46:55,520
the current ARB to Kika

1269
00:46:55,520 --> 00:46:57,480
um,

1270
00:46:57,480 --> 00:46:58,920
individual home sites, single family

1271
00:46:58,920 --> 00:47:00,560
dwellings.

1272
00:47:00,560 --> 00:47:01,880
And this was supposed to be the last

1273
00:47:01,880 --> 00:47:03,600
phase, the commercial and multi

1274
00:47:03,600 --> 00:47:05,680
multi-family three or four years down

1275
00:47:05,680 --> 00:47:07,920
the road. Which frustrated me that it

1276
00:47:07,920 --> 00:47:09,960
was taking that long to transfer all of

1277
00:47:09,960 --> 00:47:12,600
it but okay. Thank you. And now it's

1278
00:47:12,600 --> 00:47:14,080
reversed and they're doing commercial

1279
00:47:14,080 --> 00:47:16,320
and single family first commercial and

1280
00:47:16,320 --> 00:47:18,160
multi-family first

1281
00:47:18,160 --> 00:47:19,760
and the timing

1282
00:47:19,760 --> 00:47:22,000
it just perplexes me. Why not do the

1283
00:47:22,000 --> 00:47:23,880
sort of easy important stuff to the

1284
00:47:23,880 --> 00:47:26,160
community first which is the single

1285
00:47:26,160 --> 00:47:27,640
family and you can onboard that and get

1286
00:47:27,640 --> 00:47:29,240
some experience.

1287
00:47:29,240 --> 00:47:31,200
Um, so the timing about the change and

1288
00:47:31,200 --> 00:47:33,120
the kind of re complete reversal of the

1289
00:47:33,120 --> 00:47:35,560
MOU if I recall correctly.

1290
00:47:35,560 --> 00:47:37,920
>> It actually was commercial multi-family

1291
00:47:37,920 --> 00:47:39,720
was in phase one, single family in phase

1292
00:47:39,720 --> 00:47:42,320
two. There were two additional phases in

1293
00:47:42,320 --> 00:47:45,560
the MOU. But it it it interestingly

1294
00:47:45,560 --> 00:47:47,640
enough and again, the MOU is just the

1295
00:47:47,640 --> 00:47:51,120
MOU. It's not the omnibus. Um,

1296
00:47:51,120 --> 00:47:53,880
the it would transition upon

1297
00:47:53,880 --> 00:47:55,800
effectiveness

1298
00:47:55,800 --> 00:47:59,560
review authority for new

1299
00:47:59,560 --> 00:48:02,480
multi-family or commercial,

1300
00:48:02,480 --> 00:48:06,720
but the current ARB would reserve the

1301
00:48:06,720 --> 00:48:11,360
authority to to review any matter that

1302
00:48:11,360 --> 00:48:13,840
was pending before it or had been

1303
00:48:13,840 --> 00:48:16,720
brought forward, not really defined, and

1304
00:48:16,720 --> 00:48:18,800
not clear that that would ever be

1305
00:48:18,800 --> 00:48:19,680
transitioned.

1306
00:48:19,680 --> 00:48:20,240
>> That was the other issue.

1307
00:48:20,240 --> 00:48:23,440
>> Um and then it wasn't until phase three

1308
00:48:23,440 --> 00:48:25,640
that authority over again, which has no

1309
00:48:25,640 --> 00:48:28,480
time frame associated with it. It has a

1310
00:48:28,480 --> 00:48:30,600
no less than, but doesn't mean when it

1311
00:48:30,600 --> 00:48:33,440
would actually occur, that the developer

1312
00:48:33,440 --> 00:48:35,560
ARB would continue to retain authority

1313
00:48:35,560 --> 00:48:37,600
over multi-family improvement

1314
00:48:37,600 --> 00:48:40,400
applications. Which I guess could

1315
00:48:40,400 --> 00:48:43,560
include Ocean Pines or West End or other

1316
00:48:43,560 --> 00:48:45,920
things like that. So, you would not have

1317
00:48:45,920 --> 00:48:47,960
Kika review authority. So, those are the

1318
00:48:47,960 --> 00:48:51,160
kinds of of I think details that we need

1319
00:48:51,160 --> 00:48:53,520
to better understand and and flesh out

1320
00:48:53,520 --> 00:48:54,720
going forward.

1321
00:48:54,720 --> 00:48:56,600
So, where we stand right now.

1322
00:48:56,600 --> 00:48:58,320
>> Can I add one more comment, please?

1323
00:48:58,320 --> 00:49:00,040
Uh so,

1324
00:49:00,040 --> 00:49:01,880
I don't understand fundamentally what

1325
00:49:01,880 --> 00:49:04,280
the rush is. Um and what the urgency is.

1326
00:49:04,280 --> 00:49:07,520
I mean, we we we all commented about

1327
00:49:07,520 --> 00:49:09,160
we'll review it at the right times, no

1328
00:49:09,160 --> 00:49:10,960
matter what. We put in the comment at a

1329
00:49:10,960 --> 00:49:13,240
recommendation to to put a a true

1330
00:49:13,240 --> 00:49:15,000
trigger in there to look at it.

1331
00:49:15,000 --> 00:49:16,520
Nothing's changed. The facts as we know

1332
00:49:16,520 --> 00:49:18,680
it haven't changed, but I don't

1333
00:49:18,680 --> 00:49:21,320
understand what's driving the urgency

1334
00:49:21,320 --> 00:49:22,920
for us to roll ours back. I'd love to

1335
00:49:22,920 --> 00:49:25,120
understand that. And we're all Kika

1336
00:49:25,120 --> 00:49:26,720
members, too. So, we're subject to all

1337
00:49:26,720 --> 00:49:30,240
this, too. And I as as I believe you all

1338
00:49:30,240 --> 00:49:32,680
would echo,

1339
00:49:32,680 --> 00:49:34,040
let's let's take the time to get this

1340
00:49:34,040 --> 00:49:36,280
right. Let's be deliberate, use the DRB

1341
00:49:36,280 --> 00:49:38,000
as a positive thing, and as a good

1342
00:49:38,000 --> 00:49:40,280
backstop to give the breathing room to

1343
00:49:40,280 --> 00:49:42,160
do it right.

1344
00:49:42,160 --> 00:49:44,640
>> Well, and so where we are today is our

1345
00:49:44,640 --> 00:49:48,600
DRB has been stood up. It had initial

1346
00:49:48,600 --> 00:49:50,920
kind of organizational meeting,

1347
00:49:50,920 --> 00:49:53,320
in the process of developing standards

1348
00:49:53,320 --> 00:49:56,840
that go beyond the the five or six areas

1349
00:49:56,840 --> 00:49:59,160
of standards specified in in the

1350
00:49:59,160 --> 00:50:01,960
ordinance. Uh, the one thing so there is

1351
00:50:01,960 --> 00:50:03,960
a legitimate concern on the part whether

1352
00:50:03,960 --> 00:50:06,440
it's the resort or anybody else that's

1353
00:50:06,440 --> 00:50:12,720
either improvements to multi-family or commercial or new additions there to

1354
00:50:12,720 --> 00:50:14,120
kind of understand what the rules of the

1355
00:50:14,120 --> 00:50:16,440
road are and to avoid unnecessary

1356
00:50:16,440 --> 00:50:18,680
duplication of effort and I would hope

1357
00:50:18,680 --> 00:50:20,560
that we get to that point where we can

1358
00:50:20,560 --> 00:50:22,160
do that. So there's just a fair amount

1359
00:50:22,160 --> 00:50:23,720
of spade work. The one thing I would

1360
00:50:23,720 --> 00:50:27,360
observe is that by its terms the scope

1361
00:50:27,360 --> 00:50:29,800
of our DRB regardless of what it applies

1362
00:50:29,800 --> 00:50:32,520
to its scope of review is much more

1363
00:50:32,520 --> 00:50:33,960
limited

1364
00:50:33,960 --> 00:50:36,280
than that asserted by the ARB in

1365
00:50:36,280 --> 00:50:38,360
designing with nature. Uh, you know,

1366
00:50:38,360 --> 00:50:40,360
like boardwalks. It issue came up with

1367
00:50:40,360 --> 00:50:42,880
the DRB meeting the other day about

1368
00:50:42,880 --> 00:50:44,360
three levels of regulation of

1369
00:50:44,360 --> 00:50:46,960
boardwalks. Our DRB would not be

1370
00:50:46,960 --> 00:50:48,160
reviewing

1371
00:50:48,160 --> 00:50:51,160
boardwalks. It's simply not covered in

1372
00:50:51,160 --> 00:50:53,120
the scope of the DRB's existing

1373
00:50:53,120 --> 00:50:55,800
authority. Yard art, landscape

1374
00:50:55,800 --> 00:50:57,200
maintenance,

1375
00:50:57,200 --> 00:50:57,880
uh,

1376
00:50:57,880 --> 00:51:00,640
maintenance and repair, kind of go on

1377
00:51:00,640 --> 00:51:03,240
and on and on. 20 pages of the designing

1378
00:51:03,240 --> 00:51:04,880
with nature stuff that I would argue

1379
00:51:04,880 --> 00:51:07,240
goes well beyond the general covenants.

1380
00:51:07,240 --> 00:51:09,800
The ARB seeks to our DRB would not. So

1381
00:51:09,800 --> 00:51:11,360
it'd be a much more limited scope

1382
00:51:11,360 --> 00:51:12,480
review.

1383
00:51:12,480 --> 00:51:13,960
>> Yeah, one thing that I was thinking as

1384
00:51:13,960 --> 00:51:15,880
you're saying that is that

1385
00:51:15,880 --> 00:51:18,080
you know, this whole thing that is in

1386
00:51:18,080 --> 00:51:19,400
motion right now I don't think it's

1387
00:51:19,400 --> 00:51:20,720
really been tested yet with an

1388
00:51:20,720 --> 00:51:22,120
application coming in to any of the

1389
00:51:22,120 --> 00:51:23,160
entities.

1390
00:51:23,160 --> 00:51:24,960
I hope if somebody is submitting an

1391
00:51:24,960 --> 00:51:26,960
application going through the process

1392
00:51:26,960 --> 00:51:29,280
that communication continues.

1393
00:51:29,280 --> 00:51:31,720
Professional and courteous, please.

1394
00:51:31,720 --> 00:51:33,160
>> Guess what? The town is going to be the

1395
00:51:33,160 --> 00:51:34,400
first one subject to it.

1396
00:51:34,400 --> 00:51:36,280
>> Well, there you go. But with the

1397
00:51:36,280 --> 00:51:38,480
Let let us know how that goes cuz we can

1398
00:51:38,480 --> 00:51:40,150
adjust if we know.

1399
00:51:40,150 --> 00:51:40,920
>> [laughter]

1400
00:51:40,920 --> 00:51:43,520
>> Uh, so kind of shifting gears I was

1401
00:51:43,520 --> 00:51:45,760
going to provide an update on uh civic

1402
00:51:45,760 --> 00:51:47,520
and cultural center and particularly an

1403
00:51:47,520 --> 00:51:49,200
update on discussions last month

1404
00:51:49,200 --> 00:51:52,240
regarding our wastewater management

1405
00:51:52,240 --> 00:51:54,360
solutions, but I'll I'll hold those

1406
00:51:54,360 --> 00:51:56,640
reserve those until we get to the

1407
00:51:56,640 --> 00:51:58,200
uh discussion

1408
00:51:58,200 --> 00:52:00,600
uh a little bit later in the agenda. Um

1409
00:52:00,600 --> 00:52:02,680
just to to note uh for the record, we

1410
00:52:02,680 --> 00:52:04,920
had talked about at the last council

1411
00:52:04,920 --> 00:52:07,120
meeting potentially having on the agenda

1412
00:52:07,120 --> 00:52:09,440
for this meeting a special events permit

1413
00:52:09,440 --> 00:52:11,200
or public gatherings

1414
00:52:11,200 --> 00:52:13,600
uh uh ordinance. Uh we're still working

1415
00:52:13,600 --> 00:52:15,760
on that. It It's really trying to

1416
00:52:15,760 --> 00:52:17,840
calibrate what's the appropriate scope,

1417
00:52:17,840 --> 00:52:19,720
when is there public interest in a

1418
00:52:19,720 --> 00:52:22,840
public gathering. We were We reviewed

1419
00:52:22,840 --> 00:52:25,400
our records and we had special permits

1420
00:52:25,400 --> 00:52:27,960
for something like 50 weddings. Is there

1421
00:52:27,960 --> 00:52:29,760
a real public interest? You know, if

1422
00:52:29,760 --> 00:52:31,680
there are pyrotechnics or you know, if

1423
00:52:31,680 --> 00:52:34,880
there's you know, erecting structures or

1424
00:52:34,880 --> 00:52:37,720
loud amplified music, maybe. But, you

1425
00:52:37,720 --> 00:52:38,880
know, if it's indoor wedding, I don't

1426
00:52:38,880 --> 00:52:40,080
care how many people there is and if

1427
00:52:40,080 --> 00:52:42,000
it's on private property, I'm not sure

1428
00:52:42,000 --> 00:52:43,320
that there's a public interest. So,

1429
00:52:43,320 --> 00:52:45,320
we're trying to refine those issues and

1430
00:52:45,320 --> 00:52:47,760
hopefully come back in uh September. Uh

1431
00:52:47,760 --> 00:52:49,880
we've got to continue work on that. Uh

1432
00:52:49,880 --> 00:52:53,000
the last uh uh update that I will uh

1433
00:52:53,000 --> 00:52:57,880
note is actually the most momentous development

1434
00:52:57,880 --> 00:52:59,400
uh in this past month. Put all this

1435
00:52:59,400 --> 00:53:02,720
other stuff aside and uh that was the

1436
00:53:02,720 --> 00:53:04,960
bittersweet announcement that came out

1437
00:53:04,960 --> 00:53:06,040
of the

1438
00:53:06,040 --> 00:53:08,920
uh Kiawah Island Golf Resort 2 weeks ago

1439
00:53:08,920 --> 00:53:10,480
uh regarding

1440
00:53:10,480 --> 00:53:14,000
uh the the well-deserved and well-earned

1441
00:53:14,000 --> 00:53:15,680
pending retirement after almost a

1442
00:53:15,680 --> 00:53:19,520
quarter century of of Mr. Roger Warren.

1443
00:53:19,520 --> 00:53:21,920
Um I I note there's a quote in from from

1444
00:53:21,920 --> 00:53:24,760
Bill Goodwin um uh in the chairman of

1445
00:53:24,760 --> 00:53:26,680
the Kiawah Island Golf Resort that

1446
00:53:26,680 --> 00:53:28,000
Roger's leadership, vision, and

1447
00:53:28,000 --> 00:53:30,680
dedication have left an indelible mark

1448
00:53:30,680 --> 00:53:33,080
on Kiawah Island Golf Resort. I think

1449
00:53:33,080 --> 00:53:35,200
that's way too short shrift. Uh it's

1450
00:53:35,200 --> 00:53:37,560
obviously an indelible mark on Kiawah

1451
00:53:37,560 --> 00:53:39,440
Island as a whole.

1452
00:53:39,440 --> 00:53:43,040
Um and uh uh it does note that the

1453
00:53:43,040 --> 00:53:45,000
resort and Mr. Warren intend to explore

1454
00:53:45,000 --> 00:53:46,720
opportunities for his advisory support

1455
00:53:46,720 --> 00:53:48,360
regarding select development projects

1456
00:53:48,360 --> 00:53:49,840
and transition related matters and hope

1457
00:53:49,840 --> 00:53:53,000
that that will actually come to pass.

1458
00:53:53,000 --> 00:53:55,240
I will reserve any further comment at

1459
00:53:55,240 --> 00:53:56,600
this time because I would hope that we

1460
00:53:56,600 --> 00:53:58,240
would have further opportunities at town

1461
00:53:58,240 --> 00:54:00,320
to acknowledge Mr. Warren's

1462
00:54:00,320 --> 00:54:02,560
contributions to the island at a future

1463
00:54:02,560 --> 00:54:03,520
date.

1464
00:54:03,520 --> 00:54:05,280
That's my update.

1465
00:54:05,280 --> 00:54:07,760
Council member here.

1466
00:54:07,760 --> 00:54:09,000
>> I'm just giving the answer to Tom. I'm

1467
00:54:09,000 --> 00:54:09,960
just going to mention

1468
00:54:09,960 --> 00:54:12,800
>> I don't know if Council member K is she

1469
00:54:12,800 --> 00:54:13,680
going to hold

1470
00:54:13,680 --> 00:54:14,680
>> Scott.

1471
00:54:14,680 --> 00:54:17,280
>> Can I don't know if you can even hear

1472
00:54:17,280 --> 00:54:17,560
me.

1473
00:54:17,560 --> 00:54:20,320
>> We can. Go ahead, Ms. Kay.

1474
00:54:20,320 --> 00:54:22,960
>> Okay, so

1475
00:54:22,960 --> 00:54:25,320
I just want to back up to the whole ARB

1476
00:54:25,320 --> 00:54:30,360
thing for just my comment and that is

1477
00:54:30,360 --> 00:54:33,040
I also think we need to keep that that

1478
00:54:33,040 --> 00:54:33,920
um

1479
00:54:33,920 --> 00:54:38,120
backstop in place since the developers

1480
00:54:38,120 --> 00:54:40,840
ARB has not always

1481
00:54:40,840 --> 00:54:43,360
been as quick to move forward on

1482
00:54:43,360 --> 00:54:45,760
transferring responsibilities as perhaps

1483
00:54:45,760 --> 00:54:47,800
we would like. So I think it's

1484
00:54:47,800 --> 00:54:51,800
absolutely prudent that we keep this our

1485
00:54:51,800 --> 00:54:55,120
backstop in place. Secondly, as far as

1486
00:54:55,120 --> 00:54:58,160
Roger is concerned I think it's

1487
00:54:58,160 --> 00:55:00,960
incalculable his contribution

1488
00:55:00,960 --> 00:55:05,040
to Kiawah and he

1489
00:55:05,040 --> 00:55:07,120
not everybody is always in agreement,

1490
00:55:07,120 --> 00:55:08,880
but he has been

1491
00:55:08,880 --> 00:55:09,760
um

1492
00:55:09,760 --> 00:55:11,760
judicious

1493
00:55:11,760 --> 00:55:15,880
and candid and thoughtful and respectful

1494
00:55:15,880 --> 00:55:17,840
and it's always been a pleasure dealing

1495
00:55:17,840 --> 00:55:20,120
with him and I don't know how somebody

1496
00:55:20,120 --> 00:55:22,000
like that is going to be replaced. So

1497
00:55:22,000 --> 00:55:24,360
thank you Roger.

1498
00:55:24,360 --> 00:55:26,040
And then the last thing I want to talk

1499
00:55:26,040 --> 00:55:28,040
about is

1500
00:55:28,040 --> 00:55:31,040
the appointment the hiring of Lucas

1501
00:55:31,040 --> 00:55:33,440
Hernandez as our new the town's new

1502
00:55:33,440 --> 00:55:35,920
resiliency director.

1503
00:55:35,920 --> 00:55:38,160
This is a project that Stephanie and I,

1504
00:55:38,160 --> 00:55:39,840
with some assistance from other council

1505
00:55:39,840 --> 00:55:41,920
people and staff, have been working on

1506
00:55:41,920 --> 00:55:48,880
for about a year. Um, I think that the formation of a resiliency committee

1507
00:55:48,880 --> 00:55:51,320
um has has helped to move some

1508
00:55:51,320 --> 00:55:53,360
resiliency projects forward, but with

1509
00:55:53,360 --> 00:55:56,240
the scope of resiliency issues that the

1510
00:55:56,240 --> 00:55:59,120
town is addressing, it really required

1511
00:55:59,120 --> 00:56:00,920
somebody with a tremendous amount of

1512
00:56:00,920 --> 00:56:04,040
background and expertise and knowledge

1513
00:56:04,040 --> 00:56:06,360
uh to be able to

1514
00:56:06,360 --> 00:56:10,160
uh to to uh marshal all of the resources

1515
00:56:10,160 --> 00:56:11,960
that will be necessary to fight some of

1516
00:56:11,960 --> 00:56:14,080
the issues with climate change, sea

1517
00:56:14,080 --> 00:56:15,520
level rise,

1518
00:56:15,520 --> 00:56:19,240
um and storm water issues. Um, Lucas is

1519
00:56:19,240 --> 00:56:23,600
uh i- immensely qualified um and we had

1520
00:56:23,600 --> 00:56:26,480
some very very strong candidates apply

1521
00:56:26,480 --> 00:56:28,480
for this position. But, Lucas has been

1522
00:56:28,480 --> 00:56:31,040
involved with Kiawah uh resiliency and

1523
00:56:31,040 --> 00:56:32,840
environmental issues for the last 10

1524
00:56:32,840 --> 00:56:36,280
years. He has multi-degreed. He was

1525
00:56:36,280 --> 00:56:39,680
instrumental in the uh 2017 sea level

1526
00:56:39,680 --> 00:56:43,880
rise uh drafting. And um

1527
00:56:43,880 --> 00:56:47,120
in order to to put somebody's hands

1528
00:56:47,120 --> 00:56:49,080
around what needs to be done to work

1529
00:56:49,080 --> 00:56:51,360
with all of the various stakeholders

1530
00:56:51,360 --> 00:56:54,680
here and to look for funding,

1531
00:56:54,680 --> 00:56:55,280
um

1532
00:56:55,280 --> 00:56:59,000
uh again, that's that's was outside my

1533
00:56:59,000 --> 00:57:02,160
level of of expertise, totally outside.

1534
00:57:02,160 --> 00:57:04,640
And so, um I think that we are all

1535
00:57:04,640 --> 00:57:08,440
trusting Lucas to take Kiawah to its

1536
00:57:08,440 --> 00:57:10,080
place of prominence where it belongs

1537
00:57:10,080 --> 00:57:12,520
along the East Coast in terms of being a

1538
00:57:12,520 --> 00:57:15,480
leader in in resiliency issues. So, I am

1539
00:57:15,480 --> 00:57:18,480
absolutely delighted with his hiring. I

1540
00:57:18,480 --> 00:57:20,800
thank Brad for his support in this

1541
00:57:20,800 --> 00:57:23,480
initiative and am really really looking

1542
00:57:23,480 --> 00:57:25,760
forward to having him on board um

1543
00:57:25,760 --> 00:57:27,480
mid-September.

1544
00:57:27,480 --> 00:57:29,640
>> Thank you, Councilmember Kay, and uh I'm

1545
00:57:29,640 --> 00:57:31,680
sorry that you're under the weather um

1546
00:57:31,680 --> 00:57:33,240
and and thank you for for offering those

1547
00:57:33,240 --> 00:57:34,760
comments notwithstanding, plus on

1548
00:57:34,760 --> 00:57:36,840
vacation overseas. Now, I guess you're

1549
00:57:36,840 --> 00:57:38,360
up north by now.

1550
00:57:38,360 --> 00:57:41,160
Um, uh, I just to echo,

1551
00:57:41,160 --> 00:57:43,360
uh, what, uh, Council Member Kay said

1552
00:57:43,360 --> 00:57:46,160
about, uh, bringing on, uh, Lucas, uh,

1553
00:57:46,160 --> 00:57:49,280
Hernandez. I mean, he's he's been, uh,

1554
00:57:49,280 --> 00:57:50,760
well known to this community. I think

1555
00:57:50,760 --> 00:57:53,600
he's going to be a tremendous asset. Uh,

1556
00:57:53,600 --> 00:57:55,840
we've also, uh, gotten uh, less

1557
00:57:55,840 --> 00:57:58,080
attention, but we've given some expanded

1558
00:57:58,080 --> 00:58:00,120
responsibilities to one of our key staff

1559
00:58:00,120 --> 00:58:02,640
members, Michael Nardelli, to be, uh,

1560
00:58:02,640 --> 00:58:05,120
just operations and risk manager. And

1561
00:58:05,120 --> 00:58:07,560
part of that expanded responsibility

1562
00:58:07,560 --> 00:58:10,360
will be working particularly with Lucas

1563
00:58:10,360 --> 00:58:12,880
on doing a comprehensive island-wide

1564
00:58:12,880 --> 00:58:15,080
risk assessment. Particularly focused

1565
00:58:15,080 --> 00:58:16,640
things on failure points,

1566
00:58:16,640 --> 00:58:18,880
vulnerabilities like the causeway, like

1567
00:58:18,880 --> 00:58:22,320
the bridge, um, and other and some of

1568
00:58:22,320 --> 00:58:24,880
our utilities infrastructure, etc. So,

1569
00:58:24,880 --> 00:58:27,520
we expect, uh, great things out of them

1570
00:58:27,520 --> 00:58:30,080
and reporting back to the council and

1571
00:58:30,080 --> 00:58:31,520
things that, uh, we will need to

1572
00:58:31,520 --> 00:58:34,560
consider how to, uh, make the island,

1573
00:58:34,560 --> 00:58:36,160
uh, and the community more resilient.

1574
00:58:36,160 --> 00:58:37,520
How do we expand the,

1575
00:58:37,520 --> 00:58:39,240
uh, extend the lifespan of some of these

1576
00:58:39,240 --> 00:58:42,000
assets, etc. When it what point do we

1577
00:58:42,000 --> 00:58:43,760
need to raise [snorts] the Mingo curve

1578
00:58:43,760 --> 00:58:45,800
and so on and so forth. So, to be

1579
00:58:45,800 --> 00:58:48,800
continued on that. And in all due to,

1580
00:58:48,800 --> 00:58:50,920
uh, Council Member Kay's leadership on

1581
00:58:50,920 --> 00:58:52,560
this particular, uh,

1582
00:58:52,560 --> 00:58:54,640
matter. Uh, really much appreciate that.

1583
00:58:54,640 --> 00:58:57,240
So, now, Council Member Farrell.

1584
00:58:57,240 --> 00:58:59,720
>> Um, yeah, so just one thing. And we're

1585
00:58:59,720 --> 00:59:01,320
speaking to Owen. I'm sorry you weren't

1586
00:59:01,320 --> 00:59:03,680
here last meeting, Larry.

1587
00:59:03,680 --> 00:59:05,120
We had, uh,

1588
00:59:05,120 --> 00:59:06,040
the

1589
00:59:06,040 --> 00:59:07,640
portfolio manager from the state talk

1590
00:59:07,640 --> 00:59:09,680
about our investment portfolio.

1591
00:59:09,680 --> 00:59:12,000
Uh, and so there's actually been some

1592
00:59:12,000 --> 00:59:13,680
outreach. Wanted copies of it. Are we

1593
00:59:13,680 --> 00:59:14,960
going to post it or send it out

1594
00:59:14,960 --> 00:59:19,710
individually, Dorada?

1595
00:59:19,720 --> 00:59:21,160
Okay, so you have it. So,

1596
00:59:21,160 --> 00:59:22,320
but that's available to anybody who

1597
00:59:22,320 --> 00:59:23,520
would like to see it, you know, the

1598
00:59:23,520 --> 00:59:25,320
audit report or the, uh, performance

1599
00:59:25,320 --> 00:59:28,160
report from our investment portfolio

1600
00:59:28,160 --> 00:59:30,800
that the state manages for us. Um and so

1601
00:59:30,800 --> 00:59:32,120
we're very pleased. We had deep

1602
00:59:32,120 --> 00:59:34,280
discussion on what it invest in, what

1603
00:59:34,280 --> 00:59:35,520
are the guidelines, what are their

1604
00:59:35,520 --> 00:59:37,240
options for the future for developing

1605
00:59:37,240 --> 00:59:38,640
new funds.

1606
00:59:38,640 --> 00:59:39,760
Um

1607
00:59:39,760 --> 00:59:41,200
and in some of the talk about investment

1608
00:59:41,200 --> 00:59:42,680
outlook as well as securities that they

1609
00:59:42,680 --> 00:59:44,840
hold. So, um

1610
00:59:44,840 --> 00:59:46,040
it was something near and dear to I know

1611
00:59:46,040 --> 00:59:48,320
Larry's heart and my heart. So, uh if

1612
00:59:48,320 --> 00:59:49,840
you want copies of that, it's available

1613
00:59:49,840 --> 00:59:53,040
from Dorada if you'd reach out to her.

1614
00:59:53,040 --> 00:59:54,480
>> Any further updates, Councilmember

1615
00:59:54,480 --> 00:59:55,000
Spencer?

1616
00:59:55,000 --> 00:59:55,640
>> Uh

1617
00:59:55,640 --> 00:59:58,000
just a few. Um

1618
00:59:58,000 --> 01:00:00,560
so uh and to answer your questions of

1619
01:00:00,560 --> 01:00:02,720
Walhand, we'll we'll talk about the uh

1620
01:00:02,720 --> 01:00:04,520
the conservation fund in a few minutes

1621
01:00:04,520 --> 01:00:05,800
and I'll try to answer your questions

1622
01:00:05,800 --> 01:00:07,600
when we when we talk through that. Uh

1623
01:00:07,600 --> 01:00:08,600
we've considered a lot of what you

1624
01:00:08,600 --> 01:00:10,840
brought up, but we'll we'll we'll we'll

1625
01:00:10,840 --> 01:00:12,800
articulate that better.

1626
01:00:12,800 --> 01:00:14,720
Um

1627
01:00:14,720 --> 01:00:18,720
I think we've covered most of um

1628
01:00:18,720 --> 01:00:22,080
what I already had as notes. Um one

1629
01:00:22,080 --> 01:00:25,120
thing I've observed though that maybe we

1630
01:00:25,120 --> 01:00:27,120
we'll see some more data on. It seems

1631
01:00:27,120 --> 01:00:28,680
like the island's gotten used a lot

1632
01:00:28,680 --> 01:00:31,880
harder this season. Um we're out a lot.

1633
01:00:31,880 --> 01:00:34,080
I I probably walk 6 to 8 miles a day on

1634
01:00:34,080 --> 01:00:36,240
the beach, on the trails, and and other

1635
01:00:36,240 --> 01:00:37,360
places.

1636
01:00:37,360 --> 01:00:39,120
The amount of trash we're finding is

1637
01:00:39,120 --> 01:00:41,360
just more than I've ever seen. I mean,

1638
01:00:41,360 --> 01:00:44,200
significantly more. Um the amount of

1639
01:00:44,200 --> 01:00:46,840
people fishing and crabbing and, you

1640
01:00:46,840 --> 01:00:48,960
know, taking advantage of the natural

1641
01:00:48,960 --> 01:00:51,240
landscape, but you know, the the the I

1642
01:00:51,240 --> 01:00:53,040
mean, it's it's almost an order of

1643
01:00:53,040 --> 01:00:54,800
magnitude more people I see on the

1644
01:00:54,800 --> 01:00:58,000
bridges and at the pond one fishing and

1645
01:00:58,000 --> 01:01:01,400
stuff like that and on the beach. Um I

1646
01:01:01,400 --> 01:01:03,120
don't know if that's a trend, but it

1647
01:01:03,120 --> 01:01:04,440
it's it's enough that it's really

1648
01:01:04,440 --> 01:01:06,280
noticeable. So, I only say that in

1649
01:01:06,280 --> 01:01:07,840
context that a lot of us are working a

1650
01:01:07,840 --> 01:01:09,840
lot of different spinning plates about

1651
01:01:09,840 --> 01:01:12,000
um how do we address the use of the

1652
01:01:12,000 --> 01:01:16,720
island and um the the

1653
01:01:16,720 --> 01:01:18,160
I'm trying to think the right word. The

1654
01:01:18,160 --> 01:01:18,720
uh

1655
01:01:18,720 --> 01:01:20,720
um

1656
01:01:20,720 --> 01:01:22,840
the things we need to do to preserve the

1657
01:01:22,840 --> 01:01:24,800
island and and and make sure it's

1658
01:01:24,800 --> 01:01:26,360
usable, but

1659
01:01:26,360 --> 01:01:28,440
um also

1660
01:01:28,440 --> 01:01:30,760
Anyway, I'm losing the word, but

1661
01:01:30,760 --> 01:01:31,960
we we got to be thinking about that as

1662
01:01:31,960 --> 01:01:33,840
we're looking at future policies and

1663
01:01:33,840 --> 01:01:36,360
actions.

1664
01:01:36,360 --> 01:01:40,750
>> Uh thank you, uh Stephanie.

1665
01:01:40,760 --> 01:01:43,160
» Thank you, Mayor. I just like to

1666
01:01:43,160 --> 01:01:45,200
recognize we're talking about employees.

1667
01:01:45,200 --> 01:01:47,040
We have two employees that will be

1668
01:01:47,040 --> 01:01:49,360
celebrating anniversaries this month. We

1669
01:01:49,360 --> 01:01:51,320
have Aaron Kevin who'll be celebrating

1670
01:01:51,320 --> 01:01:54,040
18 years with the town. He is the town's

1671
01:01:54,040 --> 01:01:56,080
assistant biologist and John Taylor, our

1672
01:01:56,080 --> 01:01:57,880
planning and zoning director, will be

1673
01:01:57,880 --> 01:01:59,760
celebrating 10 years this month with the

1674
01:01:59,760 --> 01:02:02,080
town. So, I'd like to recognize them and

1675
01:02:02,080 --> 01:02:03,840
thank them for their service.

1676
01:02:03,840 --> 01:02:05,520
Also, as a reminder, we have food truck

1677
01:02:05,520 --> 01:02:07,200
Friday this Friday. We have it through

1678
01:02:07,200 --> 01:02:09,120
the end of this month.

1679
01:02:09,120 --> 01:02:11,240
Uh because of the success, we did extend

1680
01:02:11,240 --> 01:02:12,400
it. Originally, it was just going to go

1681
01:02:12,400 --> 01:02:14,440
through, I believe, July. So, we did

1682
01:02:14,440 --> 01:02:16,720
push it out for an additional month.

1683
01:02:16,720 --> 01:02:19,200
And also, as a reminder,

1684
01:02:19,200 --> 01:02:20,880
the Kiawah Arts, which is our Arts

1685
01:02:20,880 --> 01:02:23,920
Council, they kick off their season uh

1686
01:02:23,920 --> 01:02:26,240
this month. Their first event is August

1687
01:02:26,240 --> 01:02:30,200
14th, the Marsh Grass Mamas.

1688
01:02:30,200 --> 01:02:32,000
So, uh for more information on their

1689
01:02:32,000 --> 01:02:34,520
season, please go to our website uh

1690
01:02:34,520 --> 01:02:36,760
where the information is posted. And if

1691
01:02:36,760 --> 01:02:39,200
you see anything you like, please uh

1692
01:02:39,200 --> 01:02:41,000
sign up for tickets.

1693
01:02:41,000 --> 01:02:42,600
And um

1694
01:02:42,600 --> 01:02:44,400
with that, that's all I have.

1695
01:02:44,400 --> 01:02:47,480
>> Thank you. Um we have no old business uh

1696
01:02:47,480 --> 01:02:50,080
to consider. Moving on to new business,

1697
01:02:50,080 --> 01:02:52,920
the first agenda item is an update on uh

1698
01:02:52,920 --> 01:02:54,760
progress of the Civic and Cultural

1699
01:02:54,760 --> 01:02:57,440
Center and to consider approval of a

1700
01:02:57,440 --> 01:03:00,160
recommendation from our ad hoc building

1701
01:03:00,160 --> 01:03:01,480
committee

1702
01:03:01,480 --> 01:03:07,480
uh to council to approve essentially an early release package for structural

1703
01:03:07,480 --> 01:03:08,600
steel.

1704
01:03:08,600 --> 01:03:10,800
Um we have with us our architect of

1705
01:03:10,800 --> 01:03:13,720
record, Steve Coe, a- a- as as as well

1706
01:03:13,720 --> 01:03:15,320
as Josh Spencer from Edifice, our

1707
01:03:15,320 --> 01:03:17,080
construction manager.

1708
01:03:17,080 --> 01:03:19,440
Uh they've been working hand in glove,

1709
01:03:19,440 --> 01:03:23,440
at least it appears to be the case, in frequent meetings and provided us

1710
01:03:23,440 --> 01:03:26,440
regular updates. Uh, we are fairly well

1711
01:03:26,440 --> 01:03:29,360
evolved in the conceptual

1712
01:03:29,360 --> 01:03:32,120
uh, uh, phase of of uh, the site plan

1713
01:03:32,120 --> 01:03:34,600
and uh, the buildings.

1714
01:03:34,600 --> 01:03:37,160
Um, and we're essentially at this stage

1715
01:03:37,160 --> 01:03:40,200
locking ourselves in to the footprint.

1716
01:03:40,200 --> 01:03:43,000
Uh, but uh, still to be resolved are

1717
01:03:43,000 --> 01:03:45,200
issues related to fit and finish and

1718
01:03:45,200 --> 01:03:47,560
other issues associated with that. But

1719
01:03:47,560 --> 01:03:49,520
uh, I'm certainly pleased with the work

1720
01:03:49,520 --> 01:03:51,520
they've done and how it's evolved. I I

1721
01:03:51,520 --> 01:03:53,400
hope the community as well will get to

1722
01:03:53,400 --> 01:03:55,520
see a little of that and they'll be able

1723
01:03:55,520 --> 01:03:58,920
to explain why it is that we really it's

1724
01:03:58,920 --> 01:04:00,600
incumbent upon us both from a timing

1725
01:04:00,600 --> 01:04:02,640
standpoint, cost standpoint, to go ahead

1726
01:04:02,640 --> 01:04:05,480
and and take this action today to to do

1727
01:04:05,480 --> 01:04:07,320
the early release package.

1728
01:04:07,320 --> 01:04:09,200
Uh, Mr. Coe and

1729
01:04:09,200 --> 01:04:11,950
Mr. Spencer.

1730
01:04:11,960 --> 01:04:13,480
» Thank you, Mr. Mayor.

1731
01:04:13,480 --> 01:04:15,440
I want to

1732
01:04:15,440 --> 01:04:17,200
assure the council that we will be

1733
01:04:17,200 --> 01:04:19,160
getting building permits and burning

1734
01:04:19,160 --> 01:04:21,269
fuel and insurance

1735
01:04:21,269 --> 01:04:23,350
>> [laughter]

1736
01:04:23,360 --> 01:04:25,840
» In all In all seriousness,

1737
01:04:25,840 --> 01:04:27,200
thank you for having me here

1738
01:04:27,200 --> 01:04:28,120
today.

1739
01:04:28,120 --> 01:04:29,440
Um, really as the mayor said, there are

1740
01:04:29,440 --> 01:04:31,040
there really three main purposes, I

1741
01:04:31,040 --> 01:04:33,680
think, for today. Um, one is obviously

1742
01:04:33,680 --> 01:04:35,880
to update you on the design progress. As

1743
01:04:35,880 --> 01:04:37,560
the mayor said, we have been having

1744
01:04:37,560 --> 01:04:40,240
bi-weekly meetings with uh,

1745
01:04:40,240 --> 01:04:42,040
the town, but also weekly meetings with

1746
01:04:42,040 --> 01:04:44,680
Josh's group and then my extended design

1747
01:04:44,680 --> 01:04:45,440
team.

1748
01:04:45,440 --> 01:04:46,640
Um,

1749
01:04:46,640 --> 01:04:48,040
the purpose of those meetings has been

1750
01:04:48,040 --> 01:04:52,120
to advance the design, but also to

1751
01:04:52,120 --> 01:04:54,440
ensure that we are

1752
01:04:54,440 --> 01:04:56,680
maintaining uh, control on cost and

1753
01:04:56,680 --> 01:04:59,880
schedule. Um, Josh's group has been

1754
01:04:59,880 --> 01:05:01,800
taking the drawings as we've been

1755
01:05:01,800 --> 01:05:04,800
developing them and doing an analysis on

1756
01:05:04,800 --> 01:05:06,840
various construction assemblies,

1757
01:05:06,840 --> 01:05:11,520
materials, etc. And um,

1758
01:05:11,520 --> 01:05:13,160
in addition to looking at those from

1759
01:05:13,160 --> 01:05:16,520
cost, but also performance. Um not only

1760
01:05:16,520 --> 01:05:18,160
maintenance performance, but acoustic

1761
01:05:18,160 --> 01:05:19,280
performance in the performance hall

1762
01:05:19,280 --> 01:05:22,000
itself. Um and those types of things.

1763
01:05:22,000 --> 01:05:22,920
Um

1764
01:05:22,920 --> 01:05:24,440
the second reason, as the mayor said, is

1765
01:05:24,440 --> 01:05:27,440
a justification today for

1766
01:05:27,440 --> 01:05:29,800
an early site and early steel package.

1767
01:05:29,800 --> 01:05:32,360
We'll discuss that uh as it relates to

1768
01:05:32,360 --> 01:05:35,320
long lead items, cost impacts uh

1769
01:05:35,320 --> 01:05:36,880
specifically on materials, but also

1770
01:05:36,880 --> 01:05:41,320
those related impacts on schedule. Um

1771
01:05:41,320 --> 01:05:42,600
that

1772
01:05:42,600 --> 01:05:44,360
and have an end result on increased

1773
01:05:44,360 --> 01:05:47,640
costs. And lastly, uh we are, as the

1774
01:05:47,640 --> 01:05:49,440
mayor said, working towards a submittal

1775
01:05:49,440 --> 01:05:52,560
to the DRB and so I think it's just an

1776
01:05:52,560 --> 01:05:55,200
appropriate time for us to present

1777
01:05:55,200 --> 01:05:57,040
today.

1778
01:05:57,040 --> 01:05:58,320
Um

1779
01:05:58,320 --> 01:06:00,640
So, the site plan has remained

1780
01:06:00,640 --> 01:06:02,600
relatively the same um from when you

1781
01:06:02,600 --> 01:06:04,600
last saw it, which is in addition to the

1782
01:06:04,600 --> 01:06:06,880
existing building that includes a lobby

1783
01:06:06,880 --> 01:06:09,560
expansion, a community room ex- uh

1784
01:06:09,560 --> 01:06:11,800
addition, and then the performance space

1785
01:06:11,800 --> 01:06:14,920
itself. Um from a site plan perspective,

1786
01:06:14,920 --> 01:06:17,680
it is improvements to overall parking

1787
01:06:17,680 --> 01:06:19,800
and circulation on the site with an

1788
01:06:19,800 --> 01:06:21,920
addition of we're showing at this point

1789
01:06:21,920 --> 01:06:24,920
45 additional uh parking spaces. Um an

1790
01:06:24,920 --> 01:06:27,160
analysis of uh

1791
01:06:27,160 --> 01:06:28,560
from a zoning perspective or from a

1792
01:06:28,560 --> 01:06:30,560
performance perspective,

1793
01:06:30,560 --> 01:06:33,040
with a 300-seat auditorium, uh we would

1794
01:06:33,040 --> 01:06:36,440
need at a minimum 100 spaces. Um and the

1795
01:06:36,440 --> 01:06:39,360
additional 20 or so spaces that uh we

1796
01:06:39,360 --> 01:06:41,280
then would have uh overall on the site

1797
01:06:41,280 --> 01:06:43,440
would be for back of house, maintenance,

1798
01:06:43,440 --> 01:06:46,880
and staff usage during uh an event. Um

1799
01:06:46,880 --> 01:06:50,240
the site plan itself also includes um

1800
01:06:50,240 --> 01:06:52,360
as the mayor mentioned, uh we're looking

1801
01:06:52,360 --> 01:06:55,240
at how we connect to utilities, and so

1802
01:06:55,240 --> 01:06:59,160
there is uh a septic uh field associated

1803
01:06:59,160 --> 01:07:01,760
with the overall site plan that then is

1804
01:07:01,760 --> 01:07:03,800
um configured in overall with parking

1805
01:07:03,800 --> 01:07:03,920
connections.

1806
01:07:03,920 --> 01:07:08,640
>> Could I ask you to press pause just on on that issue because that is uh an

1807
01:07:08,640 --> 01:07:11,840
update from our last council meeting.

1808
01:07:11,840 --> 01:07:14,080
So, the site plan still

1809
01:07:14,080 --> 01:07:16,080
contemplates

1810
01:07:16,080 --> 01:07:23,120
septic rather than connection to sewer Seabrook Island utility. Um it's

1811
01:07:23,120 --> 01:07:25,080
the discussions I would like to say

1812
01:07:25,080 --> 01:07:27,080
discussions are continuing, but that

1813
01:07:27,080 --> 01:07:30,800
would not actually be correct. Um

1814
01:07:30,800 --> 01:07:33,800
and it's unfortunate. So, when we met a

1815
01:07:33,800 --> 01:07:36,520
month ago, what stated in indicated that

1816
01:07:36,520 --> 01:07:38,800
time they were sending a new letter to

1817
01:07:38,800 --> 01:07:41,560
Seabrook Island utility reiterating our

1818
01:07:41,560 --> 01:07:44,880
desire to connect to public sewer

1819
01:07:44,880 --> 01:07:46,880
and do so in terms that were consistent

1820
01:07:46,880 --> 01:07:48,080
with

1821
01:07:48,080 --> 01:07:51,200
what been previously shared back in in

1822
01:07:51,200 --> 01:07:52,600
February.

1823
01:07:52,600 --> 01:07:55,480
Um there was a week after we sent that

1824
01:07:55,480 --> 01:08:00,840
letter, a call came from council to

1825
01:08:00,840 --> 01:08:02,640
Seabrook Island utility to the town's

1826
01:08:02,640 --> 01:08:04,560
outside council separate council on this

1827
01:08:04,560 --> 01:08:06,800
matter saying those terms were generally

1828
01:08:06,800 --> 01:08:08,840
acceptable,

1829
01:08:08,840 --> 01:08:11,360
but there was no actual written response

1830
01:08:11,360 --> 01:08:13,880
and there was no letter of intent to

1831
01:08:13,880 --> 01:08:17,080
serve provided at that point in time.

1832
01:08:17,080 --> 01:08:20,480
Uh we had asked for contacts with to be

1833
01:08:20,480 --> 01:08:22,880
connected with Seabrook Island utilities

1834
01:08:22,880 --> 01:08:24,640
engineers.

1835
01:08:24,640 --> 01:08:27,720
That has not yet happened.

1836
01:08:27,720 --> 01:08:29,517
Um

1837
01:08:29,517 --> 01:08:30,600
>> [laughter]

1838
01:08:30,600 --> 01:08:32,319
>> Um

1839
01:08:32,319 --> 01:08:33,960
the

1840
01:08:33,960 --> 01:08:36,480
there are engineers. We got the contact

1841
01:08:36,480 --> 01:08:38,440
information for the manager for Seabrook

1842
01:08:38,440 --> 01:08:40,040
Island utility system which we already

1843
01:08:40,040 --> 01:08:41,319
had

1844
01:08:41,319 --> 01:08:44,480
on the 11th which is

1845
01:08:44,480 --> 01:08:47,040
No, the 21st. I believe a letter went

1846
01:08:47,040 --> 01:08:49,920
from our engineer to the manager

1847
01:08:49,920 --> 01:08:51,560
requesting an urgent meeting and

1848
01:08:51,560 --> 01:08:53,240
beginning to share documents, technical

1849
01:08:53,240 --> 01:08:55,400
specifications, etc.

1850
01:08:55,400 --> 01:08:58,160
To date that has not been responded to

1851
01:08:58,160 --> 01:08:59,560
that email.

1852
01:08:59,560 --> 01:09:02,160
Our director of public works last Friday

1853
01:09:02,160 --> 01:09:04,680
sent another

1854
01:09:04,680 --> 01:09:06,799
email following up on the engineers

1855
01:09:06,799 --> 01:09:08,000
email

1856
01:09:08,000 --> 01:09:10,560
regarding a number of issues and that

1857
01:09:10,560 --> 01:09:13,720
has not yet been responded to. So at

1858
01:09:13,720 --> 01:09:16,200
this juncture just we're kind of thrown

1859
01:09:16,200 --> 01:09:17,839
up our hands

1860
01:09:17,839 --> 01:09:20,279
we've just simply gotten no forward

1861
01:09:20,279 --> 01:09:22,120
momentum whatsoever from Seabrook Island

1862
01:09:22,120 --> 01:09:24,120
utility. I want to contrast that by the

1863
01:09:24,120 --> 01:09:26,480
way with regard to the town of Seabrook

1864
01:09:26,480 --> 01:09:30,319
Island and the council. One of the

1865
01:09:30,319 --> 01:09:33,560
conditions was to modify their ordinance

1866
01:09:33,560 --> 01:09:36,080
just as we had done to not avoid the

1867
01:09:36,080 --> 01:09:39,200
necessity of a referendum

1868
01:09:39,200 --> 01:09:42,160
a week ago the Seabrook Island Council

1869
01:09:42,160 --> 01:09:44,799
actually took that action and the mayor

1870
01:09:44,799 --> 01:09:46,400
and the council members still appear to

1871
01:09:46,400 --> 01:09:49,720
be supportive of providing the public

1872
01:09:49,720 --> 01:09:51,319
sewer connection

1873
01:09:51,319 --> 01:09:53,359
but even though they wholly own the

1874
01:09:53,359 --> 01:09:55,520
utility they can't dictate what the

1875
01:09:55,520 --> 01:09:57,800
utility does under state law or their

1876
01:09:57,800 --> 01:10:00,520
ordinances. So we are where we are. It's

1877
01:10:00,520 --> 01:10:02,200
unfortunate because now where we could

1878
01:10:02,200 --> 01:10:04,080
have parking or other uses we have a

1879
01:10:04,080 --> 01:10:05,600
septic field we still have to have the

1880
01:10:05,600 --> 01:10:07,800
septic field in back.

1881
01:10:07,800 --> 01:10:09,280
There may be an opportunity in the

1882
01:10:09,280 --> 01:10:12,000
future to connect to sewer sewer still

1883
01:10:12,000 --> 01:10:13,960
and we're still pursue that

1884
01:10:13,960 --> 01:10:16,560
but and we can retrofit and there's a

1885
01:10:16,560 --> 01:10:18,640
plan for doing that but that would

1886
01:10:18,640 --> 01:10:20,960
entail some additional cost and time at

1887
01:10:20,960 --> 01:10:23,240
that which is just extraordinarily

1888
01:10:23,240 --> 01:10:25,160
frustrating and fortunate.

1889
01:10:25,160 --> 01:10:28,960
Apologies for that interruption Mr. Coe.

1890
01:10:28,960 --> 01:10:30,040
>> Ultimately that's the most

1891
01:10:30,040 --> 01:10:33,080
environmentally friendly solution.

1892
01:10:33,080 --> 01:10:36,160
>> I apologize Mr. Mayor but for those that

1893
01:10:36,160 --> 01:10:38,200
are less informed in the audience about

1894
01:10:38,200 --> 01:10:39,560
this project

1895
01:10:39,560 --> 01:10:41,440
could you maybe point out where the new

1896
01:10:41,440 --> 01:10:42,800
building is versus

1897
01:10:42,800 --> 01:10:45,120
>> I'm trying to get a pointer so I can do

1898
01:10:45,120 --> 01:10:46,240
that.

1899
01:10:46,240 --> 01:10:46,760
>> I think

1900
01:10:46,760 --> 01:10:47,600
>> Kyle

1901
01:10:47,600 --> 01:10:48,840
>> People are

1902
01:10:48,840 --> 01:10:49,840
anxious to hear

1903
01:10:49,840 --> 01:10:54,550
>> Sure. I appreciate that. Um

1904
01:10:54,560 --> 01:10:56,080
Without having a pointer I mean I guess

1905
01:10:56,080 --> 01:10:57,680
the best I can do is sort of walk you

1906
01:10:57,680 --> 01:10:59,480
through from the bottom

1907
01:10:59,480 --> 01:11:01,880
of the sheet. That's the main entry

1908
01:11:01,880 --> 01:11:03,080
drive

1909
01:11:03,080 --> 01:11:04,560
as you come in.

1910
01:11:04,560 --> 01:11:08,280
And we will be constructing a new

1911
01:11:08,280 --> 01:11:10,640
parking area. I mentioned the septic

1912
01:11:10,640 --> 01:11:13,924
field, that's to the left of that.

1913
01:11:13,924 --> 01:11:17,430
>> [laughter]

1914
01:11:17,440 --> 01:11:22,040
» Excellent. Got it.

1915
01:11:22,040 --> 01:11:25,160
So, this is the existing drive. The

1916
01:11:25,160 --> 01:11:27,760
existing building is here.

1917
01:11:27,760 --> 01:11:30,120
Existing entry to the building here and

1918
01:11:30,120 --> 01:11:32,680
existing lobby. The addition is off the

1919
01:11:32,680 --> 01:11:34,840
back of the building and it will extend

1920
01:11:34,840 --> 01:11:36,080
the lobby.

1921
01:11:36,080 --> 01:11:37,720
But there will also be a separate

1922
01:11:37,720 --> 01:11:40,040
entrance, sort of a secondary entrance.

1923
01:11:40,040 --> 01:11:41,920
So, the main entry will still be used on

1924
01:11:41,920 --> 01:11:43,280
day-to-day

1925
01:11:43,280 --> 01:11:45,520
office and day-to-day business

1926
01:11:45,520 --> 01:11:47,960
for town hall. This entry into the

1927
01:11:47,960 --> 01:11:50,240
building will be used for

1928
01:11:50,240 --> 01:11:54,240
performance events and special events in

1929
01:11:54,240 --> 01:11:55,960
the new addition itself.

1930
01:11:55,960 --> 01:11:57,400
>> And I would just note in that regard,

1931
01:11:57,400 --> 01:11:59,760
none of that has really changed from the

1932
01:11:59,760 --> 01:12:02,160
very beginning of the conceptual design

1933
01:12:02,160 --> 01:12:04,040
process in the three designs we had been

1934
01:12:04,040 --> 01:12:04,680
submitted.

1935
01:12:04,680 --> 01:12:06,080
>> Correct.

1936
01:12:06,080 --> 01:12:07,200
So,

1937
01:12:07,200 --> 01:12:10,480
additional parking, a drop-off space for

1938
01:12:10,480 --> 01:12:12,920
the performance entry,

1939
01:12:12,920 --> 01:12:15,160
maintaining your existing parking, but

1940
01:12:15,160 --> 01:12:18,680
also adding parking in the large grassy

1941
01:12:18,680 --> 01:12:20,680
area in front of existing town hall

1942
01:12:20,680 --> 01:12:22,880
that's sort of unused right now and it's

1943
01:12:22,880 --> 01:12:25,120
just

1944
01:12:25,120 --> 01:12:27,560
a grassed area. We will be capturing

1945
01:12:27,560 --> 01:12:30,360
parking in that. Parking along the

1946
01:12:30,360 --> 01:12:32,640
backside here

1947
01:12:32,640 --> 01:12:35,840
edge as you come around the turn to the

1948
01:12:35,840 --> 01:12:37,840
rear area.

1949
01:12:37,840 --> 01:12:41,640
Improving pedestrian pathways. So, if

1950
01:12:41,640 --> 01:12:43,840
you park or are in the back, there is a

1951
01:12:43,840 --> 01:12:45,840
pedestrian walk that connects to the

1952
01:12:45,840 --> 01:12:48,080
front. Pedestrian walkways around the

1953
01:12:48,080 --> 01:12:51,240
parking here and pedestrian paths along

1954
01:12:51,240 --> 01:12:52,600
this parking.

1955
01:12:52,600 --> 01:12:54,520
The other portion of this that has

1956
01:12:54,520 --> 01:12:56,720
changed a bit but was sort of always

1957
01:12:56,720 --> 01:12:59,600
being discussed was overall

1958
01:12:59,600 --> 01:13:02,360
connectivity of this site to

1959
01:13:02,360 --> 01:13:04,200
whether it be a walking [snorts] trail

1960
01:13:04,200 --> 01:13:06,800
or other sort of amenities on the site,

1961
01:13:06,800 --> 01:13:08,560
potential future amenities that we are

1962
01:13:08,560 --> 01:13:10,200
coordinating with the town on and

1963
01:13:10,200 --> 01:13:12,160
planning for, not specifically

1964
01:13:12,160 --> 01:13:14,920
incorporating into this construction

1965
01:13:14,920 --> 01:13:18,360
project but making sure that uh where

1966
01:13:18,360 --> 01:13:21,240
those some those new amenities might be

1967
01:13:21,240 --> 01:13:23,000
located, we're planning for connection

1968
01:13:23,000 --> 01:13:25,520
for them. So hopefully

1969
01:13:25,520 --> 01:13:27,440
we're not building into a corner where

1970
01:13:27,440 --> 01:13:29,320
you can't take advantage of those in the

1971
01:13:29,320 --> 01:13:30,360
future.

1972
01:13:30,360 --> 01:13:30,960
Um

1973
01:13:30,960 --> 01:13:35,440
>> And and just on that Steve, the the

1974
01:13:35,440 --> 01:13:40,520
beyond this particular project that that we are in the process of engaging

1975
01:13:40,520 --> 01:13:41,240
you know

1976
01:13:41,240 --> 01:13:42,520
may have already happened a kind of

1977
01:13:42,520 --> 01:13:45,080
master landscape or campus plan to

1978
01:13:45,080 --> 01:13:47,480
create a more like park-like setting,

1979
01:13:47,480 --> 01:13:49,760
usable setting, usability for this

1980
01:13:49,760 --> 01:13:53,520
entire campus with a trail system around

1981
01:13:53,520 --> 01:13:55,760
here particularly embracing the marsh

1982
01:13:55,760 --> 01:13:58,240
and the live oaks back over this way,

1983
01:13:58,240 --> 01:14:02,800
pollinator gardens, the ponds, etc. Uh

1984
01:14:02,800 --> 01:14:06,000
and I would also just offsite what we

1985
01:14:06,000 --> 01:14:08,440
have off this image is the intention is

1986
01:14:08,440 --> 01:14:10,200
to have a roll curb over here. We're

1987
01:14:10,200 --> 01:14:12,080
carving back some of the overgrowth

1988
01:14:12,080 --> 01:14:13,320
that's occurred over the last three or

1989
01:14:13,320 --> 01:14:15,320
four years to create a lot of additional

1990
01:14:15,320 --> 01:14:17,680
grass overflow of parking that could

1991
01:14:17,680 --> 01:14:19,560
also be used for additional outdoor

1992
01:14:19,560 --> 01:14:21,280
events in the future.

1993
01:14:21,280 --> 01:14:23,640
>> Correct. Thank you. Um

1994
01:14:23,640 --> 01:14:25,680
I think the only thing I didn't discuss

1995
01:14:25,680 --> 01:14:27,840
was the area here behind the new

1996
01:14:27,840 --> 01:14:29,120
addition,

1997
01:14:29,120 --> 01:14:31,280
sort of an informal garden courtyard

1998
01:14:31,280 --> 01:14:33,520
area that as the mayor said whether

1999
01:14:33,520 --> 01:14:35,360
that's on food truck Fridays or really

2000
01:14:35,360 --> 01:14:37,520
just to try and attract folks to this

2001
01:14:37,520 --> 01:14:41,080
site and create amenities. Um There's

2002
01:14:41,080 --> 01:14:43,000
that's this courtyard behind the

2003
01:14:43,000 --> 01:14:44,440
building which I'll show you as we move

2004
01:14:44,440 --> 01:14:45,640
along.

2005
01:14:45,640 --> 01:14:50,630
We have been

2006
01:14:50,640 --> 01:14:51,520
I'm just going to do this now.

2007
01:14:51,520 --> 01:14:52,840
>> looking. You have one thing you will

2008
01:14:52,840 --> 01:14:55,720
notice we also are moving ADA spaces

2009
01:14:55,720 --> 01:14:57,880
much closer to the front entrance.

2010
01:14:57,880 --> 01:14:59,680
They've been way back over here, which

2011
01:14:59,680 --> 01:15:01,520
has never really been acceptable.

2012
01:15:01,520 --> 01:15:02,680
>> It's fine. I got it.

2013
01:15:02,680 --> 01:15:04,080
>> be much closer to the entrance going

2014
01:15:04,080 --> 01:15:05,080
forward.

2015
01:15:05,080 --> 01:15:07,240
>> Correct. That's Now this one's not

2016
01:15:07,240 --> 01:15:10,040
working. Oh, wrong thing. There you go.

2017
01:15:10,040 --> 01:15:13,080
That's ADA parking here

2018
01:15:13,080 --> 01:15:17,240
directly adjacent to the entry.

2019
01:15:17,240 --> 01:15:20,080
Uh we are also have been working with uh

2020
01:15:20,080 --> 01:15:21,680
arborist to

2021
01:15:21,680 --> 01:15:22,320
uh

2022
01:15:22,320 --> 01:15:25,760
categorize and existing trees, determine

2023
01:15:25,760 --> 01:15:30,040
those which are uh diseased and or um

2024
01:15:30,040 --> 01:15:32,040
not in the best of shape versus those

2025
01:15:32,040 --> 01:15:34,040
which should be maintained and trying to

2026
01:15:34,040 --> 01:15:36,480
be very selective on what we remove and

2027
01:15:36,480 --> 01:15:39,080
what we keep. There's a um mature trees

2028
01:15:39,080 --> 01:15:41,960
that we'd like to keep um not only for

2029
01:15:41,960 --> 01:15:44,120
their appearance, but also for shade um

2030
01:15:44,120 --> 01:15:46,120
and amenity on the site. And so we have

2031
01:15:46,120 --> 01:15:48,160
met uh routinely with them as we're

2032
01:15:48,160 --> 01:15:52,670
working through the site plan.

2033
01:15:52,680 --> 01:15:56,280
Here's a larger view of the overall

2034
01:15:56,280 --> 01:16:03,190
floor plan. Uh the

2035
01:16:03,200 --> 01:16:05,400
Uh so there's the drop-off from the

2036
01:16:05,400 --> 01:16:08,080
parking area, the entry, uh the new

2037
01:16:08,080 --> 01:16:09,560
lobby,

2038
01:16:09,560 --> 01:16:12,800
community room, outdoor courtyard,

2039
01:16:12,800 --> 01:16:14,400
performance hall.

2040
01:16:14,400 --> 01:16:17,560
Uh as part of the increase in uh

2041
01:16:17,560 --> 01:16:19,560
occupants for the performance space,

2042
01:16:19,560 --> 01:16:21,400
there's an expansion to existing

2043
01:16:21,400 --> 01:16:25,280
restroom facilities to increase fixtures

2044
01:16:25,280 --> 01:16:27,840
for that those events. And then as I

2045
01:16:27,840 --> 01:16:29,800
mentioned, the lobby space which expands

2046
01:16:29,800 --> 01:16:31,280
on the existing lobby and creates

2047
01:16:31,280 --> 01:16:33,360
somewhat of a pre-function area for

2048
01:16:33,360 --> 01:16:36,520
potential performance spaces.

2049
01:16:36,520 --> 01:16:38,320
The design of the building is such that

2050
01:16:38,320 --> 01:16:40,160
the floor does slope, and so we're using

2051
01:16:40,160 --> 01:16:42,120
the lowest point of the floor to

2052
01:16:42,120 --> 01:16:44,600
determine that we are above flood as far

2053
01:16:44,600 --> 01:16:46,240
as we mentioned earlier some resiliency

2054
01:16:46,240 --> 01:16:49,080
issues, um but also to be sure that if a

2055
01:16:49,080 --> 01:16:52,000
piano needs to get either on stage or in

2056
01:16:52,000 --> 01:16:53,920
the pre-function area and lobby, they

2057
01:16:53,920 --> 01:16:55,960
don't have to traverse any stairs or

2058
01:16:55,960 --> 01:16:58,320
ramps. So, the

2059
01:16:58,320 --> 01:17:01,680
lobby is somewhat split into uh a higher

2060
01:17:01,680 --> 01:17:04,840
1-ft step to get into the performance

2061
01:17:04,840 --> 01:17:07,360
level [snorts] versus the existing lobby

2062
01:17:07,360 --> 01:17:09,080
and this port other half of the new

2063
01:17:09,080 --> 01:17:11,160
lobby which are all on level with the

2064
01:17:11,160 --> 01:17:12,880
area we're on here. So, if you were to

2065
01:17:12,880 --> 01:17:14,920
come into either council chambers or the

2066
01:17:14,920 --> 01:17:16,720
community room or the lobby or the

2067
01:17:16,720 --> 01:17:20,200
bathrooms, that's all on on level. Um if

2068
01:17:20,200 --> 01:17:21,760
you come into the new lobby, there's a

2069
01:17:21,760 --> 01:17:24,440
set of stairs and a ramp here that gets

2070
01:17:24,440 --> 01:17:26,240
you up to this additional height and

2071
01:17:26,240 --> 01:17:28,600
then gets you into the level of the

2072
01:17:28,600 --> 01:17:30,560
performance space.

2073
01:17:30,560 --> 01:17:33,840
Uh back of house areas include

2074
01:17:33,840 --> 01:17:36,120
uh dressing rooms, green room, some of

2075
01:17:36,120 --> 01:17:37,840
the mechanical and support spaces that

2076
01:17:37,840 --> 01:17:40,560
are needed, uh a loading dock area as I

2077
01:17:40,560 --> 01:17:43,280
mentioned the piano storage, uh and then

2078
01:17:43,280 --> 01:17:45,920
the wing spaces for the

2079
01:17:45,920 --> 01:17:49,120
um performance space.

2080
01:17:49,120 --> 01:17:52,670
Tricky to remember I have to do both.

2081
01:17:52,680 --> 01:17:55,040
Enlarged plan, uh I mentioned before we

2082
01:17:55,040 --> 01:17:58,520
are currently at 300 seats, uh which was

2083
01:17:58,520 --> 01:18:02,320
the initial request from the town, um

2084
01:18:02,320 --> 01:18:04,160
and it does have a sloped floor and I'll

2085
01:18:04,160 --> 01:18:06,240
be showing you um

2086
01:18:06,240 --> 01:18:08,240
images uh renderings of this space here

2087
01:18:08,240 --> 01:18:10,120
in just a minute.

2088
01:18:10,120 --> 01:18:12,080
Second second floor [snorts] area which

2089
01:18:12,080 --> 01:18:15,040
really is the uh control room and some

2090
01:18:15,040 --> 01:18:17,400
of the other support spaces uh

2091
01:18:17,400 --> 01:18:18,520
for

2092
01:18:18,520 --> 01:18:23,750
the performance hall.

2093
01:18:23,760 --> 01:18:26,600
Uh enlarged plan of the lobby, this area

2094
01:18:26,600 --> 01:18:28,120
in gray here is the existing lobby. So,

2095
01:18:28,120 --> 01:18:30,080
as you come across into the new lobby,

2096
01:18:30,080 --> 01:18:31,720
the expanded bathrooms as you know right

2097
01:18:31,720 --> 01:18:33,600
now you sort of come down a corridor and

2098
01:18:33,600 --> 01:18:36,440
you turn to get into this corridor. What

2099
01:18:36,440 --> 01:18:38,680
we're doing is capturing that space. So,

2100
01:18:38,680 --> 01:18:39,720
when you come through the lobby, it'll

2101
01:18:39,720 --> 01:18:41,360
be a straight shot into the corridor

2102
01:18:41,360 --> 01:18:44,120
that feeds into council chambers. Uh the

2103
01:18:44,120 --> 01:18:46,880
bathrooms will then be expanded. Uh

2104
01:18:46,880 --> 01:18:50,120
set of stairs and ramp around a

2105
01:18:50,120 --> 01:18:52,440
relocated entry desk that now has visual

2106
01:18:52,440 --> 01:18:55,240
control over uh this entry, the existing

2107
01:18:55,240 --> 01:18:58,200
entry, and the entry or exit that goes

2108
01:18:58,200 --> 01:19:00,520
out into the courtyard space.

2109
01:19:00,520 --> 01:19:03,240
A community room and chair storage,

2110
01:19:03,240 --> 01:19:08,790
small kitchenette.

2111
01:19:08,800 --> 01:19:10,760
Exterior elevation. So, the top

2112
01:19:10,760 --> 01:19:12,680
elevation is the view from the new

2113
01:19:12,680 --> 01:19:16,920
parking area. Uh this gable end uh is

2114
01:19:16,920 --> 01:19:18,880
the end of the building here. Uh one of

2115
01:19:18,880 --> 01:19:21,320
the things we're trying to do is

2116
01:19:21,320 --> 01:19:23,000
even with today with the shades closed,

2117
01:19:23,000 --> 01:19:24,640
there's a good bit of sun. I know that's

2118
01:19:24,640 --> 01:19:26,000
been certainly on times when we

2119
01:19:26,000 --> 01:19:28,280
presented in that space. Uh when the

2120
01:19:28,280 --> 01:19:30,000
sun's setting, it gets quite bright in

2121
01:19:30,000 --> 01:19:32,080
that room. And so, we're uh

2122
01:19:32,080 --> 01:19:34,440
um screening the end of the building,

2123
01:19:34,440 --> 01:19:36,480
but also adding um

2124
01:19:36,480 --> 01:19:38,760
this scrim element that allows us to

2125
01:19:38,760 --> 01:19:41,560
sort of transition from the parking area

2126
01:19:41,560 --> 01:19:44,120
into the new entry. This is sort of an

2127
01:19:44,120 --> 01:19:46,960
adaptation of the existing uh elements

2128
01:19:46,960 --> 01:19:50,240
on the building, the brown wood slats at

2129
01:19:50,240 --> 01:19:51,960
both front and rear entries of the

2130
01:19:51,960 --> 01:19:54,160
building. We're sort of taking that into

2131
01:19:54,160 --> 01:19:54,960
uh

2132
01:19:54,960 --> 01:19:58,000
again, revising that and um updating

2133
01:19:58,000 --> 01:20:00,920
that into a bit more of a

2134
01:20:00,920 --> 01:20:02,400
nicer element for us. They're trying to

2135
01:20:02,400 --> 01:20:03,880
make that more like a furniture piece,

2136
01:20:03,880 --> 01:20:06,600
but it's a screen that separates parking

2137
01:20:06,600 --> 01:20:09,720
from walking in and entering the space.

2138
01:20:09,720 --> 01:20:12,680
This view is looking from the rear. Uh

2139
01:20:12,680 --> 01:20:14,720
the end of the performance hall has a

2140
01:20:14,720 --> 01:20:16,680
large window. Again, in the renderings,

2141
01:20:16,680 --> 01:20:18,280
you'll see that here in a second. That

2142
01:20:18,280 --> 01:20:19,960
was one of the requests of the town from

2143
01:20:19,960 --> 01:20:22,400
the outset of the competition phase is

2144
01:20:22,400 --> 01:20:24,400
to have a connection to nature. So, when

2145
01:20:24,400 --> 01:20:27,080
you're in that space, you're enjoying

2146
01:20:27,080 --> 01:20:28,920
the fact that you're right next to this

2147
01:20:28,920 --> 01:20:30,720
wonderful landscaped area and

2148
01:20:30,720 --> 01:20:32,960
overlooking the marsh and the forest.

2149
01:20:32,960 --> 01:20:35,240
We're maintaining that. This is the

2150
01:20:35,240 --> 01:20:38,080
community room and community garden area

2151
01:20:38,080 --> 01:20:41,870
from that view.

2152
01:20:41,880 --> 01:20:44,160
Sorry.

2153
01:20:44,160 --> 01:20:47,320
The entrance from the parking area,

2154
01:20:47,320 --> 01:20:49,120
the drop-off.

2155
01:20:49,120 --> 01:20:49,760
Um

2156
01:20:49,760 --> 01:20:51,640
There will be This will be ADA. It's

2157
01:20:51,640 --> 01:20:53,280
showing as a curve, but that will be ADA

2158
01:20:53,280 --> 01:20:55,400
accessible. Um you enter through this

2159
01:20:55,400 --> 01:20:59,280
portal of such into the entrance doors,

2160
01:20:59,280 --> 01:21:01,600
which are behind here. This is the end

2161
01:21:01,600 --> 01:21:03,120
of the community room and the community

2162
01:21:03,120 --> 01:21:05,950
garden.

2163
01:21:05,960 --> 01:21:07,600
Closer view of that. So, there's an

2164
01:21:07,600 --> 01:21:11,160
entry sequence that's from your car into

2165
01:21:11,160 --> 01:21:17,230
the lobby into the performance hall.

2166
01:21:17,240 --> 01:21:19,920
The rear garden courtyard area that will

2167
01:21:19,920 --> 01:21:22,200
have opportunities for

2168
01:21:22,200 --> 01:21:23,840
uh contemplation. You know, if you want

2169
01:21:23,840 --> 01:21:25,480
to come and eat your lunch there, enjoy

2170
01:21:25,480 --> 01:21:27,560
food truck Friday. Um

2171
01:21:27,560 --> 01:21:28,976
not a formal

2172
01:21:28,976 --> 01:21:29,400
>> [snorts]

2173
01:21:29,400 --> 01:21:30,320
>> uh a

2174
01:21:30,320 --> 01:21:32,880
regimented formal garden area, but more

2175
01:21:32,880 --> 01:21:34,680
of a loose um

2176
01:21:34,680 --> 01:21:38,750
loose garden.

2177
01:21:38,760 --> 01:21:42,470
Reviews of that.

2178
01:21:42,480 --> 01:21:44,840
Uh we've been trying very hard to take

2179
01:21:44,840 --> 01:21:46,680
into consideration the nature that

2180
01:21:46,680 --> 01:21:48,320
you've got here. Um whether it's, you

2181
01:21:48,320 --> 01:21:50,960
know, uh back where you can sit and

2182
01:21:50,960 --> 01:21:52,640
overlook um

2183
01:21:52,640 --> 01:21:54,640
the marsh uh or what does the building

2184
01:21:54,640 --> 01:21:57,240
look like through the trees? Um

2185
01:21:57,240 --> 01:21:59,160
I've been struck always by sort of this

2186
01:21:59,160 --> 01:22:02,320
pattern of um live oak and how can that

2187
01:22:02,320 --> 01:22:04,440
help to inform us? And one of the things

2188
01:22:04,440 --> 01:22:05,880
in the performance space from an

2189
01:22:05,880 --> 01:22:08,800
acoustics or acousticians perspective,

2190
01:22:08,800 --> 01:22:09,760
it's really important to have a

2191
01:22:09,760 --> 01:22:12,800
world-class performance hall. Um a space

2192
01:22:12,800 --> 01:22:16,400
that, you know, is representative of uh

2193
01:22:16,400 --> 01:22:17,800
I think the prestige that comes with

2194
01:22:17,800 --> 01:22:19,720
Kiawah Island and itself. And so,

2195
01:22:19,720 --> 01:22:21,960
there's a real science behind that. And

2196
01:22:21,960 --> 01:22:24,800
one of those issues is that the walls of

2197
01:22:24,800 --> 01:22:26,840
the performance space are somewhat

2198
01:22:26,840 --> 01:22:28,360
tunable because it depends on the type

2199
01:22:28,360 --> 01:22:29,920
of performance you have, whether you

2200
01:22:29,920 --> 01:22:31,280
have uh

2201
01:22:31,280 --> 01:22:33,680
pure acoustics or you have electrified

2202
01:22:33,680 --> 01:22:37,880
sound, uh whether it's speech or dance.

2203
01:22:37,880 --> 01:22:39,080
We want to be able to tune the room.

2204
01:22:39,080 --> 01:22:40,920
Most of these performance halls that you

2205
01:22:40,920 --> 01:22:43,880
go in have that ability and we've been

2206
01:22:43,880 --> 01:22:45,760
trying to We're working with them on how

2207
01:22:45,760 --> 01:22:47,640
that how that works. And typically what

2208
01:22:47,640 --> 01:22:50,080
happens, closer to the stage, the walls

2209
01:22:50,080 --> 01:22:51,520
have uh

2210
01:22:51,520 --> 01:22:54,640
a solid to void percentage of about uh

2211
01:22:54,640 --> 01:22:58,800
30% solid to 70% void. And then as you

2212
01:22:58,800 --> 01:23:01,520
move back to the back of house, that

2213
01:23:01,520 --> 01:23:03,120
void that changes.

2214
01:23:03,120 --> 01:23:04,200
Um

2215
01:23:04,200 --> 01:23:07,720
We're taking uh influence from

2216
01:23:07,720 --> 01:23:10,800
a live oak tree and that space,

2217
01:23:10,800 --> 01:23:12,720
initially, as you see, we had somewhat

2218
01:23:12,720 --> 01:23:15,200
of a repetitive pattern on the walls.

2219
01:23:15,200 --> 01:23:17,200
That creates a problem acoustically,

2220
01:23:17,200 --> 01:23:19,040
sort of known as um a picket fence

2221
01:23:19,040 --> 01:23:22,240
approach, and you get sound waves that

2222
01:23:22,240 --> 01:23:23,560
conflict with each other. And so, we

2223
01:23:23,560 --> 01:23:25,680
want that to be a random space. These

2224
01:23:25,680 --> 01:23:27,560
are just some sketches

2225
01:23:27,560 --> 01:23:28,760
of how that's

2226
01:23:28,760 --> 01:23:30,680
evolved.

2227
01:23:30,680 --> 01:23:32,040
These are examples of what I'm talking

2228
01:23:32,040 --> 01:23:33,480
about, how the walls really want to be

2229
01:23:33,480 --> 01:23:36,320
random. We don't want a a regular space

2230
01:23:36,320 --> 01:23:40,760
pattern. These are not uh projects my firm has done, but our

2231
01:23:40,760 --> 01:23:44,320
acoustician our uh partner firm um has

2232
01:23:44,320 --> 01:23:45,600
worked on many of these types of

2233
01:23:45,600 --> 01:23:47,480
facilities across the country, and you

2234
01:23:47,480 --> 01:23:50,040
see there's a lot of randomness in the

2235
01:23:50,040 --> 01:23:52,680
wall systems or even in the way that

2236
01:23:52,680 --> 01:23:54,480
they treat um

2237
01:23:54,480 --> 01:23:55,240
a

2238
01:23:55,240 --> 01:23:57,840
curtain pocket on the sides of the room

2239
01:23:57,840 --> 01:24:01,680
with a random wood grill edge type of

2240
01:24:01,680 --> 01:24:03,880
treatment.

2241
01:24:03,880 --> 01:24:06,840
So, taking that idea of solid to void

2242
01:24:06,840 --> 01:24:08,640
and looking uh

2243
01:24:08,640 --> 01:24:10,880
at that pattern, we're trying to find a

2244
01:24:10,880 --> 01:24:12,720
way that we can do this economically.

2245
01:24:12,720 --> 01:24:14,840
So, these are sheets of plywood that we

2246
01:24:14,840 --> 01:24:17,440
would have zero waste. So, as you cut

2247
01:24:17,440 --> 01:24:18,960
something off that piece of plywood to

2248
01:24:18,960 --> 01:24:21,400
create that opening in the wall surface,

2249
01:24:21,400 --> 01:24:23,120
it can then be applied back on to give

2250
01:24:23,120 --> 01:24:24,480
that pattern and it's really important

2251
01:24:24,480 --> 01:24:26,160
from an acoustics perspective that you

2252
01:24:26,160 --> 01:24:27,640
have that.

2253
01:24:27,640 --> 01:24:30,960
Those panels would then be assembled

2254
01:24:30,960 --> 01:24:33,520
on the walls going from the right to the

2255
01:24:33,520 --> 01:24:35,160
left, which is towards the stage, a

2256
01:24:35,160 --> 01:24:37,680
higher percentage of void to the back of

2257
01:24:37,680 --> 01:24:41,280
house to a higher percentage of solid.

2258
01:24:41,280 --> 01:24:43,760
And so the current updated view of the

2259
01:24:43,760 --> 01:24:46,480
performance space itself looks like this

2260
01:24:46,480 --> 01:24:48,640
with those wall panels and what we're

2261
01:24:48,640 --> 01:24:51,320
calling wings acoustic baffles up at the

2262
01:24:51,320 --> 01:24:53,320
ceiling that help direct sound from the

2263
01:24:53,320 --> 01:24:58,310
stage back to the audience.

2264
01:24:58,320 --> 01:25:01,040
I'll back up. You still see the large

2265
01:25:01,040 --> 01:25:03,000
window in the back and that will be able

2266
01:25:03,000 --> 01:25:04,680
to be screened if there's a movie night

2267
01:25:04,680 --> 01:25:06,080
or some type of other event where we

2268
01:25:06,080 --> 01:25:07,880
need to have blackout shades. We'll have

2269
01:25:07,880 --> 01:25:09,880
that ability to do that both on the back

2270
01:25:09,880 --> 01:25:15,790
window and the clerestory windows above.

2271
01:25:15,800 --> 01:25:18,040
Primarily fixed seating as I mentioned

2272
01:25:18,040 --> 01:25:20,960
before, there are some movable chairs on

2273
01:25:20,960 --> 01:25:22,960
the sides that get us to the total of

2274
01:25:22,960 --> 01:25:24,760
300

2275
01:25:24,760 --> 01:25:29,390
seat capacity.

2276
01:25:29,400 --> 01:25:32,560
The next few views are interior views.

2277
01:25:32,560 --> 01:25:34,720
This coming from the existing lobby into

2278
01:25:34,720 --> 01:25:36,360
the new lobby.

2279
01:25:36,360 --> 01:25:38,480
The area where the floor pattern changes

2280
01:25:38,480 --> 01:25:39,960
goes from existing to new. Right now

2281
01:25:39,960 --> 01:25:41,720
there's an exterior wall there. That

2282
01:25:41,720 --> 01:25:44,200
wall will be removed with new structure

2283
01:25:44,200 --> 01:25:46,120
to hold up the new building, obviously,

2284
01:25:46,120 --> 01:25:48,720
but you see this is the relocated entry

2285
01:25:48,720 --> 01:25:50,440
desk. You're looking out towards the

2286
01:25:50,440 --> 01:25:52,760
garden courtyard. This entry door goes

2287
01:25:52,760 --> 01:25:54,960
into the community room and as we walk

2288
01:25:54,960 --> 01:25:56,400
through here and you start looking

2289
01:25:56,400 --> 01:25:58,840
toward the towards the right, you'll see

2290
01:25:58,840 --> 01:26:00,160
this uh

2291
01:26:00,160 --> 01:26:02,000
hallway coming down towards council

2292
01:26:02,000 --> 01:26:06,110
chambers.

2293
01:26:06,120 --> 01:26:08,360
The screen wall is actually in front of

2294
01:26:08,360 --> 01:26:10,280
the bathrooms, which are here to the

2295
01:26:10,280 --> 01:26:11,760
right of this corridor. That's the

2296
01:26:11,760 --> 01:26:14,880
existing corridor here behind me.

2297
01:26:14,880 --> 01:26:17,120
Community room entry desk. This is the

2298
01:26:17,120 --> 01:26:19,000
ramp that goes up and then the set of

2299
01:26:19,000 --> 01:26:20,440
stairs, which is behind in this view.

2300
01:26:20,440 --> 01:26:21,960
You really don't see it. The other thing

2301
01:26:21,960 --> 01:26:23,520
we're trying to do, we know certainly

2302
01:26:23,520 --> 01:26:25,520
the Arts Council has a presence, so we

2303
01:26:25,520 --> 01:26:27,680
want to make sure that we provide spaces

2304
01:26:27,680 --> 01:26:30,040
for art and display in the lobby and

2305
01:26:30,040 --> 01:26:31,560
really let it be an amenity for the

2306
01:26:31,560 --> 01:26:36,070
town.

2307
01:26:36,080 --> 01:26:38,200
And sort of this reinterpretation of the

2308
01:26:38,200 --> 01:26:39,880
screening that you have on the existing

2309
01:26:39,880 --> 01:26:41,560
building, doing that in a little bit of

2310
01:26:41,560 --> 01:26:43,520
a different way so that you start

2311
01:26:43,520 --> 01:26:45,160
catching glimpses of that here in the

2312
01:26:45,160 --> 01:26:46,400
lobby, but then when you get into the

2313
01:26:46,400 --> 01:26:48,000
performance space, it actually opens up

2314
01:26:48,000 --> 01:26:50,520
even more and becomes that solid devoid

2315
01:26:50,520 --> 01:27:03,870
that I was talking about earlier.

2316
01:27:03,880 --> 01:27:05,160
And

2317
01:27:05,160 --> 01:27:07,200
with that, do you want to go over

2318
01:27:07,200 --> 01:27:10,000
schedule a little bit? Okay, sure.

2319
01:27:10,000 --> 01:27:13,640
Josh Spencer with Edifice Construction.

2320
01:27:13,640 --> 01:27:15,480
>> Thank you all. Good afternoon.

2321
01:27:15,480 --> 01:27:17,080
Nice presentation, Steve.

2322
01:27:17,080 --> 01:27:18,040
>> Yep.

2323
01:27:18,040 --> 01:27:19,280
So,

2324
01:27:19,280 --> 01:27:21,280
as as part of our duty as construction

2325
01:27:21,280 --> 01:27:22,880
manager, one of our first things to

2326
01:27:22,880 --> 01:27:24,840
identify kind of early on in this design

2327
01:27:24,840 --> 01:27:27,960
process any long lead um

2328
01:27:27,960 --> 01:27:30,880
structural items or mechanical items,

2329
01:27:30,880 --> 01:27:32,640
electrical components.

2330
01:27:32,640 --> 01:27:35,040
And in today's climate, um structural

2331
01:27:35,040 --> 01:27:37,480
steel is coming at a bit of a long lead

2332
01:27:37,480 --> 01:27:40,760
time as far as the date of order to the

2333
01:27:40,760 --> 01:27:42,840
date it's on site.

2334
01:27:42,840 --> 01:27:45,040
So, as we've been evolving this design

2335
01:27:45,040 --> 01:27:47,000
over the past few months, we have come

2336
01:27:47,000 --> 01:27:49,640
up we have settled upon what the floor

2337
01:27:49,640 --> 01:27:52,400
plan of the building looks like and the

2338
01:27:52,400 --> 01:27:54,080
conceptual amount of structural steel

2339
01:27:54,080 --> 01:27:56,720
needed to construct the space.

2340
01:27:56,720 --> 01:27:58,960
Uh today's world in a building of this

2341
01:27:58,960 --> 01:28:01,080
size, structural steel lead times can

2342
01:28:01,080 --> 01:28:04,080
vary from 32 to 44 weeks.

2343
01:28:04,080 --> 01:28:05,920
Um in discussion with our steel mills

2344
01:28:05,920 --> 01:28:07,480
and our steel subcontractors, we

2345
01:28:07,480 --> 01:28:09,120
anticipate the tonnage needed for this

2346
01:28:09,120 --> 01:28:12,680
building is around 36 36 weeks from the

2347
01:28:12,680 --> 01:28:17,240
date we place the order to the day that steel is on site. Our team always

2348
01:28:17,240 --> 01:28:20,760
had a want and a desire to break ground

2349
01:28:20,760 --> 01:28:22,320
as soon as possible

2350
01:28:22,320 --> 01:28:23,400
to

2351
01:28:23,400 --> 01:28:25,320
start our foundation work, our site

2352
01:28:25,320 --> 01:28:28,280
work, and get concrete in the ground.

2353
01:28:28,280 --> 01:28:30,120
The current intent

2354
01:28:30,120 --> 01:28:32,120
in discussions with

2355
01:28:32,120 --> 01:28:35,280
our team here is to mobilize to site in

2356
01:28:35,280 --> 01:28:38,600
February of 2027.

2357
01:28:38,600 --> 01:28:41,560
Which working backwards means that we

2358
01:28:41,560 --> 01:28:44,680
need to release steel to the steel mill

2359
01:28:44,680 --> 01:28:47,160
and to our subcontractors

2360
01:28:47,160 --> 01:28:49,800
by November at the latest.

2361
01:28:49,800 --> 01:28:52,880
The good thing about this process

2362
01:28:52,880 --> 01:28:54,680
Edifice is serving as the town's

2363
01:28:54,680 --> 01:28:56,440
construction manager and that allows us

2364
01:28:56,440 --> 01:28:58,800
a bit of flexibility to release packages

2365
01:28:58,800 --> 01:29:01,240
ahead of having the final contract value

2366
01:29:01,240 --> 01:29:04,200
determined. So part of today's

2367
01:29:04,200 --> 01:29:08,800
conceptual approval is to make

2368
01:29:08,800 --> 01:29:11,040
sure make sure that we have approval to

2369
01:29:11,040 --> 01:29:13,760
move forward in both design and

2370
01:29:13,760 --> 01:29:16,040
construction procurement for this early

2371
01:29:16,040 --> 01:29:18,000
site package.

2372
01:29:18,000 --> 01:29:20,920
And what that would mean from Steve is

2373
01:29:20,920 --> 01:29:23,680
on the design side an expedited approach

2374
01:29:23,680 --> 01:29:25,480
to the foundation and steel which would

2375
01:29:25,480 --> 01:29:28,320
allow us in turn to order that steel

2376
01:29:28,320 --> 01:29:30,160
have it locked in

2377
01:29:30,160 --> 01:29:33,840
for a June 2027 delivery.

2378
01:29:33,840 --> 01:29:37,280
From the town's perspective we are not

2379
01:29:37,280 --> 01:29:40,320
on the hook for the total cost of that

2380
01:29:40,320 --> 01:29:43,800
steel from day one that release in fall

2381
01:29:43,800 --> 01:29:45,120
it would be just like any other

2382
01:29:45,120 --> 01:29:48,840
construction procurement the bill would

2383
01:29:48,840 --> 01:29:51,160
be due upon receipt to the site. So I

2384
01:29:51,160 --> 01:29:53,640
think today's discussion is conceptual

2385
01:29:53,640 --> 01:29:56,600
approval of this plan in which enables

2386
01:29:56,600 --> 01:29:59,600
us to start construction and mobilize in

2387
01:29:59,600 --> 01:30:03,670
February of 2027.

2388
01:30:03,680 --> 01:30:06,880
» I I've just got a question. Um

2389
01:30:06,880 --> 01:30:08,200
Where are you sourcing the steel from?

2390
01:30:08,200 --> 01:30:10,280
Just curiosity.

2391
01:30:10,280 --> 01:30:13,350
>> Well, so

2392
01:30:13,360 --> 01:30:15,200
with with that package with that early

2393
01:30:15,200 --> 01:30:17,680
steel package, we will solicit two three

2394
01:30:17,680 --> 01:30:21,040
to six structural steel subcontractors.

2395
01:30:21,040 --> 01:30:21,960
Um

2396
01:30:21,960 --> 01:30:24,440
depending on which subcontractor we land

2397
01:30:24,440 --> 01:30:25,680
on

2398
01:30:25,680 --> 01:30:26,680
uh

2399
01:30:26,680 --> 01:30:28,680
would determine which mill that came

2400
01:30:28,680 --> 01:30:31,240
from. But most likely a Nucor mill

2401
01:30:31,240 --> 01:30:33,960
within the state. Um joist and deck can

2402
01:30:33,960 --> 01:30:35,960
be sourced from all over the country,

2403
01:30:35,960 --> 01:30:37,840
but it would really be relying on that

2404
01:30:37,840 --> 01:30:39,440
subcontractor of

2405
01:30:39,440 --> 01:30:41,000
that's that's the lowest responsible

2406
01:30:41,000 --> 01:30:42,480
bidder's preference.

2407
01:30:42,480 --> 01:30:44,320
>> Okay, thanks.

2408
01:30:44,320 --> 01:30:46,400
>> I'll back up a little bit. Um a

2409
01:30:46,400 --> 01:30:48,080
traditional sort of delivery would be

2410
01:30:48,080 --> 01:30:50,400
that we would design the building in

2411
01:30:50,400 --> 01:30:52,640
totality, submit it for building permit,

2412
01:30:52,640 --> 01:30:55,240
have it reviewed, get it approved, uh

2413
01:30:55,240 --> 01:30:56,640
and then release the entire building

2414
01:30:56,640 --> 01:30:59,320
package to the contractor uh to start

2415
01:30:59,320 --> 01:31:01,960
work. Um that would

2416
01:31:01,960 --> 01:31:04,240
for overall for our schedule, that would

2417
01:31:04,240 --> 01:31:09,520
mean likely February of '27. Um

2418
01:31:09,520 --> 01:31:11,720
the issue is that in doing that and then

2419
01:31:11,720 --> 01:31:13,880
looking at the lead time on steel, which

2420
01:31:13,880 --> 01:31:16,120
when we started this project was not 30

2421
01:31:16,120 --> 01:31:18,680
to 40 weeks. Um the impact of that has

2422
01:31:18,680 --> 01:31:20,600
been uh correct me if I'm wrong, my

2423
01:31:20,600 --> 01:31:22,000
understanding is the majority of the

2424
01:31:22,000 --> 01:31:23,520
impact on that is because of data center

2425
01:31:23,520 --> 01:31:25,400
construction across the country has

2426
01:31:25,400 --> 01:31:27,120
taken up steel mills

2427
01:31:27,120 --> 01:31:30,200
all over the country. Um but recognizing

2428
01:31:30,200 --> 01:31:32,880
that and then also after doing analysis

2429
01:31:32,880 --> 01:31:35,960
on the building systems um trying to

2430
01:31:35,960 --> 01:31:37,600
limit the amount of steel, which we are

2431
01:31:37,600 --> 01:31:39,760
and there are some pros and cons to

2432
01:31:39,760 --> 01:31:42,200
that, but the pros are by using concrete

2433
01:31:42,200 --> 01:31:44,960
block in the auditorium space, it has

2434
01:31:44,960 --> 01:31:46,520
real advantages from an acoustics

2435
01:31:46,520 --> 01:31:48,720
perspective. We reduce the amount of

2436
01:31:48,720 --> 01:31:51,680
steel. We are able to then hopefully not

2437
01:31:51,680 --> 01:31:53,680
being at the 40-week lead time on steel,

2438
01:31:53,680 --> 01:31:56,520
less than that. Um but then also by

2439
01:31:56,520 --> 01:31:58,240
releasing steel

2440
01:31:58,240 --> 01:32:00,360
in October, November,

2441
01:32:00,360 --> 01:32:02,720
we don't start construction,

2442
01:32:02,720 --> 01:32:04,720
finish foundations, and then sit and

2443
01:32:04,720 --> 01:32:06,720
wait two or three months for steel to

2444
01:32:06,720 --> 01:32:08,720
show up on site with nothing happening.

2445
01:32:08,720 --> 01:32:10,320
We're able to get a jump on the project

2446
01:32:10,320 --> 01:32:12,840
by starting foundations earlier, so

2447
01:32:12,840 --> 01:32:14,120
hopefully a line that as soon as

2448
01:32:14,120 --> 01:32:15,720
foundations are done, the steel is on

2449
01:32:15,720 --> 01:32:18,160
site, we're ready to rock and roll with

2450
01:32:18,160 --> 01:32:20,480
uh erection of steel without any delay

2451
01:32:20,480 --> 01:32:22,280
or extending the construction duration,

2452
01:32:22,280 --> 01:32:23,960
which as you know, when you extend a

2453
01:32:23,960 --> 01:32:26,320
construction duration, more overhead,

2454
01:32:26,320 --> 01:32:27,800
more cost. So, we're trying to reduce

2455
01:32:27,800 --> 01:32:30,480
that construction duration overall.

2456
01:32:30,480 --> 01:32:32,320
>> I mean, overall, I Or did you want to

2457
01:32:32,320 --> 01:32:32,880
add something?

2458
01:32:32,880 --> 01:32:34,320
>> Well, I I guess just to add that the

2459
01:32:34,320 --> 01:32:36,480
overall procurement method right now

2460
01:32:36,480 --> 01:32:38,960
would be uh we we we refer to it as a

2461
01:32:38,960 --> 01:32:42,520
component GMP. So, component one GMP

2462
01:32:42,520 --> 01:32:44,320
number one would be that early site

2463
01:32:44,320 --> 01:32:46,640
steel concrete, gets this release.

2464
01:32:46,640 --> 01:32:48,360
Component two would be the remaining of

2465
01:32:48,360 --> 01:32:50,080
the scope, the finishes, the interior

2466
01:32:50,080 --> 01:32:53,120
details, landscaping, etc. That would

2467
01:32:53,120 --> 01:32:54,880
most likely be first of the year, first

2468
01:32:54,880 --> 01:32:58,040
of 2027. Those two GMP packages together

2469
01:32:58,040 --> 01:32:59,600
would equal a total contract value.

2470
01:32:59,600 --> 01:33:01,880
That's in theory how we're contemplating

2471
01:33:01,880 --> 01:33:02,960
it right now.

2472
01:33:02,960 --> 01:33:04,440
>> I guess from my perspective, we're not

2473
01:33:04,440 --> 01:33:05,720
really coming into this cold. There's

2474
01:33:05,720 --> 01:33:08,200
been thankfully some good discussions at

2475
01:33:08,200 --> 01:33:10,400
along the way on this. Um

2476
01:33:10,400 --> 01:33:11,760
I feel like we've got about as best

2477
01:33:11,760 --> 01:33:13,720
solution as we can for the footprint of

2478
01:33:13,720 --> 01:33:15,480
the building, pending the other things

2479
01:33:15,480 --> 01:33:16,680
that are going on.

2480
01:33:16,680 --> 01:33:18,360
Your descriptions helped to get started

2481
01:33:18,360 --> 01:33:19,880
in my head and understand why you need

2482
01:33:19,880 --> 01:33:21,760
to do this. So,

2483
01:33:21,760 --> 01:33:23,760
I think it makes sense to me.

2484
01:33:23,760 --> 01:33:25,200
>> The

2485
01:33:25,200 --> 01:33:27,480
it's been a lot of back and forth and

2486
01:33:27,480 --> 01:33:29,440
give and take. Those guys talk at

2487
01:33:29,440 --> 01:33:32,120
regularly, and then they engage with us.

2488
01:33:32,120 --> 01:33:34,160
We did have a meeting of the ad hoc

2489
01:33:34,160 --> 01:33:36,640
committee last week, unanimously

2490
01:33:36,640 --> 01:33:38,480
recommended

2491
01:33:38,480 --> 01:33:40,760
moving forward on this basis. That's

2492
01:33:40,760 --> 01:33:43,080
comprised of myself, Council Member

2493
01:33:43,080 --> 01:33:46,400
Berner, who's not with us today,

2494
01:33:46,400 --> 01:33:49,680
Rob Glass, and Mark Caymans, and David

2495
01:33:49,680 --> 01:33:52,680
Wool, chair of the Arts Council,

2496
01:33:52,680 --> 01:33:57,520
and the level of communication has been extraordinary, and and we're

2497
01:33:57,520 --> 01:33:59,160
greatly appreciative of that. It's

2498
01:33:59,160 --> 01:34:03,320
interesting the basic footprint hasn't

2499
01:34:03,320 --> 01:34:06,560
changed that much

2500
01:34:06,560 --> 01:34:08,760
kind of from the get-go. Minor

2501
01:34:08,760 --> 01:34:11,720
alterations here and there.

2502
01:34:11,720 --> 01:34:12,800
The

2503
01:34:12,800 --> 01:34:15,160
it was a considered decision to add

2504
01:34:15,160 --> 01:34:17,520
about 1,000 square feet into the project

2505
01:34:17,520 --> 01:34:20,920
which is mostly lobby space to increase

2506
01:34:20,920 --> 01:34:23,640
kind of the overall set decks and flow.

2507
01:34:23,640 --> 01:34:25,640
But that's been the kind of the major

2508
01:34:25,640 --> 01:34:27,840
the only really significant design

2509
01:34:27,840 --> 01:34:30,320
element. We were between 250 and 300

2510
01:34:30,320 --> 01:34:32,800
seats. A lot of pressure to to keep it

2511
01:34:32,800 --> 01:34:36,200
at the high end. So, we did that. Where

2512
01:34:36,200 --> 01:34:39,240
the discussion is really been primarily

2513
01:34:39,240 --> 01:34:41,800
is now at this point in time all of this

2514
01:34:41,800 --> 01:34:43,840
fit and finishes whether exterior

2515
01:34:43,840 --> 01:34:46,520
materials, interior materials, etc. And

2516
01:34:46,520 --> 01:34:48,400
still some cost trade-offs and elements

2517
01:34:48,400 --> 01:34:49,720
about that and they've been very good

2518
01:34:49,720 --> 01:34:51,640
about offering the committee

2519
01:34:51,640 --> 01:34:59,160
alternatives and you know, we've accepted some cost reduction

2520
01:34:59,160 --> 01:35:00,520
recommendations.

2521
01:35:00,520 --> 01:35:02,720
Others we've simply said no, we're not

2522
01:35:02,720 --> 01:35:05,040
willing to make that kind of concession.

2523
01:35:05,040 --> 01:35:07,600
And and I think Mr. Promotor

2524
01:35:07,600 --> 01:35:09,360
works in your

2525
01:35:09,360 --> 01:35:11,440
words in your mouth but something like

2526
01:35:11,440 --> 01:35:13,640
aim high or you know, build for the

2527
01:35:13,640 --> 01:35:16,760
future. Don't be penny wise and pound

2528
01:35:16,760 --> 01:35:18,480
foolish here.

2529
01:35:18,480 --> 01:35:20,080
And so we've been kind of mindful of

2530
01:35:20,080 --> 01:35:24,880
that to make sure that this is a truly a especially from the acoustics

2531
01:35:24,880 --> 01:35:27,440
standpoint a world-class facility that

2532
01:35:27,440 --> 01:35:29,400
we can attract the some of the best and

2533
01:35:29,400 --> 01:35:31,360
the brightest that go to Juilliard for

2534
01:35:31,360 --> 01:35:32,920
one night and maybe they'll be willing

2535
01:35:32,920 --> 01:35:34,560
to come here for a second night.

2536
01:35:34,560 --> 01:35:36,840
>> And that cost analysis process does not

2537
01:35:36,840 --> 01:35:38,720
stop with this decision today. In fact,

2538
01:35:38,720 --> 01:35:40,320
it just keeps moving forward but part of

2539
01:35:40,320 --> 01:35:42,800
that includes things like there's a very

2540
01:35:42,800 --> 01:35:45,760
large AV and IT package associated with

2541
01:35:45,760 --> 01:35:47,920
the sound system and the equipment in

2542
01:35:47,920 --> 01:35:49,800
the performance space and we're looking

2543
01:35:49,800 --> 01:35:52,960
at ways of how can we perhaps have

2544
01:35:52,960 --> 01:35:54,960
um an initial phase of that that gets

2545
01:35:54,960 --> 01:35:56,840
you everything that you need. Certainly

2546
01:35:56,840 --> 01:35:59,240
works quite well, but it's not the Taj

2547
01:35:59,240 --> 01:36:01,200
Mahal of spaces or it might not have all

2548
01:36:01,200 --> 01:36:03,640
of the aspects to it, but it has the

2549
01:36:03,640 --> 01:36:05,440
future for plug and play for those

2550
01:36:05,440 --> 01:36:07,000
aspects and looking at ways that we can

2551
01:36:07,000 --> 01:36:08,360
save some money.

2552
01:36:08,360 --> 01:36:09,120
Um

2553
01:36:09,120 --> 01:36:10,640
not just in that, but even in the

2554
01:36:10,640 --> 01:36:13,600
exterior wall materials, finishes, those

2555
01:36:13,600 --> 01:36:15,760
types of things. Um so, that process

2556
01:36:15,760 --> 01:36:19,670
continues.

2557
01:36:19,680 --> 01:36:21,640
» Councilmember Farrell?

2558
01:36:21,640 --> 01:36:22,200
>> Nothing for me. Thank

2559
01:36:22,200 --> 01:36:24,200
>> Um I you know, I'll go a little bit out

2560
01:36:24,200 --> 01:36:25,720
of order. We do have citizen comments

2561
01:36:25,720 --> 01:36:27,880
after new business, but I would invite

2562
01:36:27,880 --> 01:36:30,480
if there's anybody that has any comments

2563
01:36:30,480 --> 01:36:33,320
or questions um from our team while

2564
01:36:33,320 --> 01:36:36,440
they're here now, we certainly please

2565
01:36:36,440 --> 01:36:39,440
take this opportunity if you if you have

2566
01:36:39,440 --> 01:36:40,520
Yes, Larry.

2567
01:36:40,520 --> 01:36:41,480
>> What is the

2568
01:36:41,480 --> 01:36:43,480
estimated cost and when was that

2569
01:36:43,480 --> 01:36:45,440
estimated because costs have increased

2570
01:36:45,440 --> 01:36:48,120
significantly over the last year, like

2571
01:36:48,120 --> 01:36:50,280
20% steel or whatever?

2572
01:36:50,280 --> 01:36:53,520
>> So, we are I mean, that is still in the

2573
01:36:53,520 --> 01:36:55,920
evolutionary stage. Uh

2574
01:36:55,920 --> 01:36:58,040
we have I mean, we do have preliminary

2575
01:36:58,040 --> 01:36:59,600
numbers. There's some that are going to

2576
01:36:59,600 --> 01:37:01,040
go up and some that are going to come

2577
01:37:01,040 --> 01:37:01,480
down.

2578
01:37:01,480 --> 01:37:03,200
>> And it's the answer to the question is

2579
01:37:03,200 --> 01:37:05,960
really there isn't one cost. It's uh we

2580
01:37:05,960 --> 01:37:08,680
have been assessing cost all along at

2581
01:37:08,680 --> 01:37:10,360
each phase. Um

2582
01:37:10,360 --> 01:37:12,760
and there are the the one of the ways

2583
01:37:12,760 --> 01:37:15,240
that we do that to anticipate cost

2584
01:37:15,240 --> 01:37:17,920
increases because the price of

2585
01:37:17,920 --> 01:37:19,520
an auditorium chair today is not going

2586
01:37:19,520 --> 01:37:21,200
to be the same as it is in eight months

2587
01:37:21,200 --> 01:37:23,120
when you need that chair. So, there are

2588
01:37:23,120 --> 01:37:25,680
escalation and contingencies in the

2589
01:37:25,680 --> 01:37:28,960
estimate. As we then make decisions on

2590
01:37:28,960 --> 01:37:31,240
in fact, we are getting chair samples

2591
01:37:31,240 --> 01:37:32,800
for um

2592
01:37:32,800 --> 01:37:33,520
uh

2593
01:37:33,520 --> 01:37:36,240
the town to review various types and uh

2594
01:37:36,240 --> 01:37:38,360
aspects of different chairs. Uh as we

2595
01:37:38,360 --> 01:37:40,640
start nailing down those specific

2596
01:37:40,640 --> 01:37:42,080
decisions,

2597
01:37:42,080 --> 01:37:43,560
the costs become more clear, the

2598
01:37:43,560 --> 01:37:45,480
contingency percentages come down

2599
01:37:45,480 --> 01:37:47,440
because we don't have as much unknown.

2600
01:37:47,440 --> 01:37:49,520
So, there will be continual cost

2601
01:37:49,520 --> 01:37:51,040
estimating throughout the whole process.

2602
01:37:51,040 --> 01:37:52,360
>> I understand that we are actually

2603
01:37:52,360 --> 01:37:54,840
working with Eclipse on two projects

2604
01:37:54,840 --> 01:37:56,680
currently and their financial tracking

2605
01:37:56,680 --> 01:38:00,360
is very good. I have to say that.

2606
01:38:00,360 --> 01:38:02,200
I read in the Post and Courier, maybe

2607
01:38:02,200 --> 01:38:06,670
totally incorrect, it was 12 million.

2608
01:38:06,680 --> 01:38:07,640
» So,

2609
01:38:07,640 --> 01:38:10,600
I'll address that. Larry, that was kind

2610
01:38:10,600 --> 01:38:14,840
of the the the conceptual without, you

2611
01:38:14,840 --> 01:38:16,800
know, a firm understanding of what's

2612
01:38:16,800 --> 01:38:19,640
involved early on as to what the cost of

2613
01:38:19,640 --> 01:38:22,000
the project would be. It It's certainly

2614
01:38:22,000 --> 01:38:26,400
going to be higher than that. Um but I

2615
01:38:26,400 --> 01:38:29,400
actually think not dramatically so. I

2616
01:38:29,400 --> 01:38:31,960
believe where we are right now in the

2617
01:38:31,960 --> 01:38:34,280
last round of conversations

2618
01:38:34,280 --> 01:38:38,440
is right around 13 million or so for

2619
01:38:38,440 --> 01:38:40,000
hard construction costs plus

2620
01:38:40,000 --> 01:38:41,560
contingencies.

2621
01:38:41,560 --> 01:38:44,200
And then we have design fees on top of

2622
01:38:44,200 --> 01:38:46,440
that, but some of that was considered

2623
01:38:46,440 --> 01:38:49,000
decisions. For example, to expand the

2624
01:38:49,000 --> 01:38:50,560
square footage from where we originally

2625
01:38:50,560 --> 01:38:55,880
planned by 1,000 square feet. So, we're we're we're again, we're trying to

2626
01:38:55,880 --> 01:38:57,160
They're they're they're trying to

2627
01:38:57,160 --> 01:38:59,920
develop it against budget and and in

2628
01:38:59,920 --> 01:39:02,080
some cases we're saying, uh

2629
01:39:02,080 --> 01:39:03,120
okay.

2630
01:39:03,120 --> 01:39:05,160
>> I actually agree totally in principle.

2631
01:39:05,160 --> 01:39:06,240
if you're going to do it

2632
01:39:06,240 --> 01:39:07,960
now, get it right.

2633
01:39:07,960 --> 01:39:09,320
But

2634
01:39:09,320 --> 01:39:12,080
the only concern is that the 12 million

2635
01:39:12,080 --> 01:39:14,760
becomes 15. I mean, we've had problems

2636
01:39:14,760 --> 01:39:18,240
with subcontractors walking away. I

2637
01:39:18,240 --> 01:39:19,160
It's It's It's

2638
01:39:19,160 --> 01:39:21,240
>> Well, Larry, at at some point part of

2639
01:39:21,240 --> 01:39:23,320
this we're doing it two phases. I mean,

2640
01:39:23,320 --> 01:39:25,520
the Josh is going to be on the hook and

2641
01:39:25,520 --> 01:39:26,880
Edifice is going to be on the hook at

2642
01:39:26,880 --> 01:39:28,760
some point in time because we will

2643
01:39:28,760 --> 01:39:31,440
negotiate a guaranteed maximum price for

2644
01:39:31,440 --> 01:39:33,920
construction here in a couple of months.

2645
01:39:33,920 --> 01:39:35,840
So, and that's what we're trying to

2646
01:39:35,840 --> 01:39:37,520
refine. He's because he's going to be on

2647
01:39:37,520 --> 01:39:38,120
the hook.

2648
01:39:38,120 --> 01:39:39,560
>> Well, and and I will just add, Mr.

2649
01:39:39,560 --> 01:39:42,120
Mayor, that part of this part of this,

2650
01:39:42,120 --> 01:39:44,720
you know, see me at risk process does

2651
01:39:44,720 --> 01:39:46,600
allow us to

2652
01:39:46,600 --> 01:39:48,720
engage subcontractors at a very early

2653
01:39:48,720 --> 01:39:51,680
stage and part of part of your point

2654
01:39:51,680 --> 01:39:53,320
part of our contemplation with this

2655
01:39:53,320 --> 01:39:55,360
early steel package is a tool to

2656
01:39:55,360 --> 01:39:57,560
mitigate the escalation of steel. We can

2657
01:39:57,560 --> 01:39:59,720
lock it in right now, you know, and so

2658
01:39:59,720 --> 01:40:01,720
those are very those are being taken

2659
01:40:01,720 --> 01:40:04,000
consideration right now. No, absolutely.

2660
01:40:04,000 --> 01:40:06,550
>> Roger.

2661
01:40:06,560 --> 01:40:08,400
What you're seeing as the escalation

2662
01:40:08,400 --> 01:40:11,004
percentage per month right now

2663
01:40:11,004 --> 01:40:11,240
>> [clears throat]

2664
01:40:11,240 --> 01:40:13,120
>> in construction in this area, you know,

2665
01:40:13,120 --> 01:40:15,360
having been involved in over the years.

2666
01:40:15,360 --> 01:40:16,720
We were amazed at how quickly it went

2667
01:40:16,720 --> 01:40:18,280
for a while. Are you still seeing it

2668
01:40:18,280 --> 01:40:21,040
escalating at a 3 to 4 to 5% per month?

2669
01:40:21,040 --> 01:40:23,120
>> We we're a little bit less than that. We

2670
01:40:23,120 --> 01:40:23,920
our

2671
01:40:23,920 --> 01:40:26,960
conceptually we we reference a percent

2672
01:40:26,960 --> 01:40:29,920
per quarter right now as as a as a

2673
01:40:29,920 --> 01:40:31,920
average is is what is what we're

2674
01:40:31,920 --> 01:40:35,950
anticipating. 1% per quarter.

2675
01:40:35,960 --> 01:40:38,200
» Okay.

2676
01:40:38,200 --> 01:40:39,400
>> And again, that there's a there's a lot

2677
01:40:39,400 --> 01:40:40,640
of metrics that go into that.

2678
01:40:40,640 --> 01:40:42,160
>> What contingency percentages are you

2679
01:40:42,160 --> 01:40:43,440
carrying for construction?

2680
01:40:43,440 --> 01:40:45,760
>> We've got a 3% construction contingency

2681
01:40:45,760 --> 01:40:47,720
to take in as as a contractor's

2682
01:40:47,720 --> 01:40:50,040
contingency into the GMP.

2683
01:40:50,040 --> 01:40:51,960
But as Steve alluded to, we're carrying

2684
01:40:51,960 --> 01:40:55,670
I believe

2685
01:40:55,680 --> 01:40:56,680
» Yeah, a lot much larger.

2686
01:40:56,680 --> 01:40:58,640
>> Well, yeah, 12 I'm sorry I don't have

2687
01:40:58,640 --> 01:41:01,720
those numbers in but 12% for design and

2688
01:41:01,720 --> 01:41:03,400
estimating contingency until and that

2689
01:41:03,400 --> 01:41:05,000
will carry us until we get to a

2690
01:41:05,000 --> 01:41:06,880
construction level set of documents.

2691
01:41:06,880 --> 01:41:09,400
>> would those contingencies being larger

2692
01:41:09,400 --> 01:41:11,080
would give you some offset against any

2693
01:41:11,080 --> 01:41:12,960
other escalations during the course of

2694
01:41:12,960 --> 01:41:13,600
construction.

2695
01:41:13,600 --> 01:41:13,960
>> Correct.

2696
01:41:13,960 --> 01:41:14,960
>> Yeah, okay.

2697
01:41:14,960 --> 01:41:17,880
>> And and that's built into the numbers I

2698
01:41:17,880 --> 01:41:18,360
just

2699
01:41:18,360 --> 01:41:21,280
>> We we started at a 25% contingency but

2700
01:41:21,280 --> 01:41:23,200
as we've been developing more and more

2701
01:41:23,200 --> 01:41:24,400
understanding about what the interior

2702
01:41:24,400 --> 01:41:26,800
materials might be or the fit finishes,

2703
01:41:26,800 --> 01:41:28,360
that contingency has come down as the

2704
01:41:28,360 --> 01:41:30,120
pricing has gotten tighter.

2705
01:41:30,120 --> 01:41:31,480
>> I'd be surprised if they'd give you a

2706
01:41:31,480 --> 01:41:34,040
25% in contingency when you get down to

2707
01:41:34,040 --> 01:41:36,240
a hard price.

2708
01:41:36,240 --> 01:41:38,120
>> There will there will not be a 35%

2709
01:41:38,120 --> 01:41:40,120
[laughter] contingency fee if that

2710
01:41:40,120 --> 01:41:41,920
I don't expect them to

2711
01:41:41,920 --> 01:41:43,600
ask for that and then we would not grant

2712
01:41:43,600 --> 01:41:44,400
that.

2713
01:41:44,400 --> 01:41:46,960
>> And you know, all kidding aside, I mean

2714
01:41:46,960 --> 01:41:49,440
the the market fluctuates and it's

2715
01:41:49,440 --> 01:41:51,200
construction costs as you know, it's

2716
01:41:51,200 --> 01:41:53,640
very it's hard to to pinpoint. The

2717
01:41:53,640 --> 01:41:55,480
benefit of this process and one of the

2718
01:41:55,480 --> 01:41:58,360
reasons we advocated for this uh

2719
01:41:58,360 --> 01:41:59,920
bringing the contractor in early as

2720
01:41:59,920 --> 01:42:02,120
opposed to what is a traditional sort of

2721
01:42:02,120 --> 01:42:05,200
design the project, send it out for bids

2722
01:42:05,200 --> 01:42:06,960
and hope that you get numbers that are

2723
01:42:06,960 --> 01:42:09,400
good. We didn't in that process you

2724
01:42:09,400 --> 01:42:11,160
don't have the benefit of being able to

2725
01:42:11,160 --> 01:42:13,120
look at different systems, different

2726
01:42:13,120 --> 01:42:15,320
types of assemblies, different materials

2727
01:42:15,320 --> 01:42:17,120
and see what impact they have overall on

2728
01:42:17,120 --> 01:42:18,760
not only the cost but the schedule and

2729
01:42:18,760 --> 01:42:20,880
so I do think that it's the right

2730
01:42:20,880 --> 01:42:23,080
approach on this and Edifice has been a

2731
01:42:23,080 --> 01:42:25,040
great partner in that don't expect that

2732
01:42:25,040 --> 01:42:27,830
to change.

2733
01:42:27,840 --> 01:42:30,160
» Any other questions or comments from the

2734
01:42:30,160 --> 01:42:34,000
audience on this matter? So I would now

2735
01:42:34,000 --> 01:42:34,960
seek

2736
01:42:34,960 --> 01:42:38,800
a motion to approve the recommendation

2737
01:42:38,800 --> 01:42:41,360
of the of our

2738
01:42:41,360 --> 01:42:43,400
architect, our construction manager risk

2739
01:42:43,400 --> 01:42:44,960
and the ad hoc building committee to

2740
01:42:44,960 --> 01:42:46,880
move forward with the early release

2741
01:42:46,880 --> 01:42:48,680
package for structural steel.

2742
01:42:48,680 --> 01:42:49,840
>> So moved.

2743
01:42:49,840 --> 01:42:50,880
>> Second.

2744
01:42:50,880 --> 01:42:53,680
>> Any further discussion?

2745
01:42:53,680 --> 01:42:55,640
All all in favor?

2746
01:42:55,640 --> 01:42:57,160
>> I.

2747
01:42:57,160 --> 01:42:59,320
don't know if Council member K is

2748
01:42:59,320 --> 01:43:01,160
raised hand.

2749
01:43:01,160 --> 01:43:02,080
Um

2750
01:43:02,080 --> 01:43:05,040
thank you very much Steve and Josh great

2751
01:43:05,040 --> 01:43:06,880
presentation.

2752
01:43:06,880 --> 01:43:07,560
Uh

2753
01:43:07,560 --> 01:43:09,600
I just encourage the entire community to

2754
01:43:09,600 --> 01:43:11,640
look at this presentation

2755
01:43:11,640 --> 01:43:12,960
review this

2756
01:43:12,960 --> 01:43:14,160
I think they've done an extraordinary

2757
01:43:14,160 --> 01:43:16,000
job. It's been a great team to work with

2758
01:43:16,000 --> 01:43:17,360
and hope that continues.

2759
01:43:17,360 --> 01:43:18,040
>> Thank you.

2760
01:43:18,040 --> 01:43:19,600
all.

2761
01:43:19,600 --> 01:43:20,200
>> Uh

2762
01:43:20,200 --> 01:43:22,560
next agenda item is

2763
01:43:22,560 --> 01:43:25,680
consider approval of ordinance 2026-14

2764
01:43:25,680 --> 01:43:28,600
which is an ordinance to establish for

2765
01:43:28,600 --> 01:43:30,840
lack of a better term the

2766
01:43:30,840 --> 01:43:32,880
town equivalent to the county's green

2767
01:43:32,880 --> 01:43:35,600
belt fund and I'd like it to turn it

2768
01:43:35,600 --> 01:43:39,360
over to council member Spencer and our

2769
01:43:39,360 --> 01:43:41,480
town administrator who really taken the

2770
01:43:41,480 --> 01:43:45,760
labor in or and bring us to this point.

2771
01:43:45,760 --> 01:43:47,280
>> I'll go ahead and start and Stephanie

2772
01:43:47,280 --> 01:43:49,120
please jump in

2773
01:43:49,120 --> 01:43:50,160
and correct me when I say something

2774
01:43:50,160 --> 01:43:51,086
wrong.

2775
01:43:51,086 --> 01:43:51,720
>> [laughter]

2776
01:43:51,720 --> 01:43:53,840
>> So

2777
01:43:53,840 --> 01:43:56,960
this started actually several years ago

2778
01:43:56,960 --> 01:43:58,280
in the deliberations for the

2779
01:43:58,280 --> 01:44:01,720
comprehensive plan Kiawah next and is in

2780
01:44:01,720 --> 01:44:04,800
the currently approved Kiawah next

2781
01:44:04,800 --> 01:44:06,880
comprehensive plan for the town to

2782
01:44:06,880 --> 01:44:08,760
establish

2783
01:44:08,760 --> 01:44:11,120
an equivalent of a green belt type fund

2784
01:44:11,120 --> 01:44:14,520
and really it comes down to

2785
01:44:14,520 --> 01:44:18,280
what the community's ethos about

2786
01:44:18,280 --> 01:44:19,680
environment protecting our natural

2787
01:44:19,680 --> 01:44:21,720
environment protecting environment that

2788
01:44:21,720 --> 01:44:24,400
feeds into our natural environment

2789
01:44:24,400 --> 01:44:26,880
and how do we make potential strategic

2790
01:44:26,880 --> 01:44:29,960
purchases partnered with qualified

2791
01:44:29,960 --> 01:44:31,840
eligible partners like the Conservancy

2792
01:44:31,840 --> 01:44:34,440
like Low Country Land Trust that put

2793
01:44:34,440 --> 01:44:36,800
together land deals whether they be

2794
01:44:36,800 --> 01:44:40,040
purchases with conservation easements or

2795
01:44:40,040 --> 01:44:44,320
scraping the development rights off of a piece of property

2796
01:44:44,320 --> 01:44:45,880
and put a conservation easement on that

2797
01:44:45,880 --> 01:44:48,960
but the ultimate goal is preserving

2798
01:44:48,960 --> 01:44:52,240
open space that

2799
01:44:52,240 --> 01:44:53,800
protects a natural ecosystem for

2800
01:44:53,800 --> 01:44:55,840
wildlife for

2801
01:44:55,840 --> 01:44:58,640
the quality of water for

2802
01:44:58,640 --> 01:45:00,560
the air quality for all the things that

2803
01:45:00,560 --> 01:45:04,880
are important to Kiawah we

2804
01:45:04,880 --> 01:45:06,640
I spent a lot of time discussing it we

2805
01:45:06,640 --> 01:45:08,440
discussed it at length at the town

2806
01:45:08,440 --> 01:45:11,400
strategic planning session in January

2807
01:45:11,400 --> 01:45:12,760
we had just approved the comprehensive

2808
01:45:12,760 --> 01:45:14,520
plan after that

2809
01:45:14,520 --> 01:45:16,880
got a lot of input from the Conservancy

2810
01:45:16,880 --> 01:45:19,040
from Low Country from others on on how

2811
01:45:19,040 --> 01:45:20,880
they've accomplished it we met with the

2812
01:45:20,880 --> 01:45:24,840
towns the county's green belt fund and others to

2813
01:45:24,840 --> 01:45:26,640
get get baseline about how they operate

2814
01:45:26,640 --> 01:45:28,680
their program as we define what a

2815
01:45:28,680 --> 01:45:31,560
town-sponsored program might look like.

2816
01:45:31,560 --> 01:45:32,680
Um

2817
01:45:32,680 --> 01:45:36,040
we we came up with the jurisdiction of

2818
01:45:36,040 --> 01:45:39,200
the Kiawah Island watershed um primarily

2819
01:45:39,200 --> 01:45:40,840
because that's where the water in the

2820
01:45:40,840 --> 01:45:42,920
Kiawah River's coming from. That's you

2821
01:45:42,920 --> 01:45:44,640
know, it covers a lot of things of the

2822
01:45:44,640 --> 01:45:46,520
aspect of the criteria that we would

2823
01:45:46,520 --> 01:45:48,600
consider um

2824
01:45:48,600 --> 01:45:51,200
for the the town to partner with

2825
01:45:51,200 --> 01:45:54,600
qualified organizations to protect um

2826
01:45:54,600 --> 01:45:58,840
land. Um and so the the watershed seemed

2827
01:45:58,840 --> 01:46:01,480
to fit that definition. Um

2828
01:46:01,480 --> 01:46:04,200
you know, they they the the upsides are

2829
01:46:04,200 --> 01:46:06,640
uh you know, improved wildlife habitat

2830
01:46:06,640 --> 01:46:09,160
um natural resources um taking

2831
01:46:09,160 --> 01:46:12,920
development pressure off of um uh

2832
01:46:12,920 --> 01:46:14,040
the

2833
01:46:14,040 --> 01:46:15,320
outer perimeter of Kiawah, all the

2834
01:46:15,320 --> 01:46:17,520
things that matter to Kiawah. And even

2835
01:46:17,520 --> 01:46:18,440
though

2836
01:46:18,440 --> 01:46:19,920
frankly, a lot of it may happen on Johns

2837
01:46:19,920 --> 01:46:21,240
Island in the southern part of Johns

2838
01:46:21,240 --> 01:46:23,760
Island it's for the benefit of not only

2839
01:46:23,760 --> 01:46:26,240
that community, but for our community as

2840
01:46:26,240 --> 01:46:28,160
well because we have the development

2841
01:46:28,160 --> 01:46:30,200
pressure gone, because we have better

2842
01:46:30,200 --> 01:46:32,080
natural resources, better buffers of the

2843
01:46:32,080 --> 01:46:35,560
ecosystem, things like that. So, um we

2844
01:46:35,560 --> 01:46:37,120
generated, Stephanie and I did, a

2845
01:46:37,120 --> 01:46:38,800
framework document about two or three

2846
01:46:38,800 --> 01:46:41,800
months ago. Uh generated through council

2847
01:46:41,800 --> 01:46:44,560
or or disseminated through council. Um

2848
01:46:44,560 --> 01:46:46,160
it was generally supported. I really

2849
01:46:46,160 --> 01:46:48,280
didn't get any any negative feedback on

2850
01:46:48,280 --> 01:46:51,200
it. It was all uh broadly supported. Um

2851
01:46:51,200 --> 01:46:52,920
so, we've taken the next steps of

2852
01:46:52,920 --> 01:46:55,160
writing the ordinance and a policy

2853
01:46:55,160 --> 01:46:57,280
document. The the logic between

2854
01:46:57,280 --> 01:47:00,760
ordinance and versus policy document is

2855
01:47:00,760 --> 01:47:02,280
it's harder to change ordinances. So,

2856
01:47:02,280 --> 01:47:07,920
let the ordinance be the authority um to conduct the fund. And then the policy

2857
01:47:07,920 --> 01:47:10,480
document is a more flexible way for this

2858
01:47:10,480 --> 01:47:12,760
council or future councils to define

2859
01:47:12,760 --> 01:47:14,280
what the fund's focus is and how it

2860
01:47:14,280 --> 01:47:16,120
operates and things like that. I will

2861
01:47:16,120 --> 01:47:18,120
say up front that we've gotten a lot of

2862
01:47:18,120 --> 01:47:20,689
input on this, but you learn by doing.

2863
01:47:20,689 --> 01:47:21,360
>> [laughter]

2864
01:47:21,360 --> 01:47:23,240
>> Um you know, our our our goal right now

2865
01:47:23,240 --> 01:47:24,920
is to get up and operating, uh

2866
01:47:24,920 --> 01:47:26,480
communicate,

2867
01:47:26,480 --> 01:47:28,200
um, establish, um, once we get through

2868
01:47:28,200 --> 01:47:29,480
the second reading, you know, next

2869
01:47:29,480 --> 01:47:30,720
month, hopefully,

2870
01:47:30,720 --> 01:47:33,200
establish, um, the the board that will

2871
01:47:33,200 --> 01:47:35,040
review applications,

2872
01:47:35,040 --> 01:47:37,160
get up and running, learn from it,

2873
01:47:37,160 --> 01:47:40,440
iterate, make improvements, and and stay

2874
01:47:40,440 --> 01:47:43,710
focused. So, Stephanie,

2875
01:47:43,720 --> 01:47:45,160
Was that everything?

2876
01:47:45,160 --> 01:47:46,800
Okay.

2877
01:47:46,800 --> 01:47:47,720
Thanks.

2878
01:47:47,720 --> 01:47:49,040
And and thanks, there's several people

2879
01:47:49,040 --> 01:47:50,800
in the room that have helped us on this,

2880
01:47:50,800 --> 01:47:53,200
so thank you.

2881
01:47:53,200 --> 01:47:57,880
>> Um, uh, questions, uh, comments?

2882
01:47:57,880 --> 01:47:59,240
Council member Kay, Council member

2883
01:47:59,240 --> 01:48:02,870
Farrell.

2884
01:48:02,880 --> 01:48:04,000
Miss Kay, you want to go? You want to

2885
01:48:04,000 --> 01:48:06,320
have any questions or comments?

2886
01:48:06,320 --> 01:48:08,520
>> Uh, yeah. Um,

2887
01:48:08,520 --> 01:48:12,600
I initially I was not enthusiastic about

2888
01:48:12,600 --> 01:48:13,920
this, um,

2889
01:48:13,920 --> 01:48:17,200
this initiative, but the more that

2890
01:48:17,200 --> 01:48:20,680
Lance, um, explained

2891
01:48:20,680 --> 01:48:22,920
um, how it was going to come together,

2892
01:48:22,920 --> 01:48:25,840
um, the more I decided that it actually

2893
01:48:25,840 --> 01:48:27,560
makes an awful lot of sense. There are

2894
01:48:27,560 --> 01:48:29,320
so many things that are outside of our

2895
01:48:29,320 --> 01:48:31,640
control that when we can grab onto

2896
01:48:31,640 --> 01:48:34,080
something and put it at least somewhat

2897
01:48:34,080 --> 01:48:37,320
in our control, then we should. Um, and

2898
01:48:37,320 --> 01:48:40,400
my a lot of my concern, um,

2899
01:48:40,400 --> 01:48:42,920
centered around, um,

2900
01:48:42,920 --> 01:48:45,320
just the cost of this.

2901
01:48:45,320 --> 01:48:46,960
But again, I don't think there's a whole

2902
01:48:46,960 --> 01:48:49,880
lot that's more important than, um,

2903
01:48:49,880 --> 01:48:53,480
protecting our resources. So, I am now,

2904
01:48:53,480 --> 01:48:54,280
um,

2905
01:48:54,280 --> 01:48:57,400
a firm firm supporter, and a job well

2906
01:48:57,400 --> 01:49:00,120
done to Lance and his team.

2907
01:49:00,120 --> 01:49:00,680
>> Uh,

2908
01:49:00,680 --> 01:49:02,080
thank you, Council Council member Kay.

2909
01:49:02,080 --> 01:49:05,360
Just to note one thing, what today's uh,

2910
01:49:05,360 --> 01:49:06,520
ordinance, and this is just

2911
01:49:06,520 --> 01:49:09,080
consideration on first reading,

2912
01:49:09,080 --> 01:49:12,520
um, does not involve any funding

2913
01:49:12,520 --> 01:49:13,520
whatsoever.

2914
01:49:13,520 --> 01:49:14,480
>> Yeah, I meant to mention that.

2915
01:49:14,480 --> 01:49:17,120
>> That that's that would be a separate

2916
01:49:17,120 --> 01:49:19,840
conversation or decision made in the

2917
01:49:19,840 --> 01:49:23,120
whether this is we actually adopt this

2918
01:49:23,120 --> 01:49:25,600
and we want to consider a mid-year

2919
01:49:25,600 --> 01:49:27,280
budget adjustment.

2920
01:49:27,280 --> 01:49:29,800
Ultimately, it's going to simply be an

2921
01:49:29,800 --> 01:49:31,400
interfund transfer.

2922
01:49:31,400 --> 01:49:31,880
>> Mhm.

2923
01:49:31,880 --> 01:49:33,960
>> Uh and even when you do the interfund

2924
01:49:33,960 --> 01:49:37,000
transfer, it isn't really binding in any

2925
01:49:37,000 --> 01:49:38,560
regard.

2926
01:49:38,560 --> 01:49:39,760
That still doesn't mean you're

2927
01:49:39,760 --> 01:49:43,240
necessarily going to fund any proposed

2928
01:49:43,240 --> 01:49:44,800
conservation easements. So, it's kind of

2929
01:49:44,800 --> 01:49:46,760
depends on what we receive, what the

2930
01:49:46,760 --> 01:49:49,120
criteria are, what the conservation

2931
01:49:49,120 --> 01:49:51,320
values are. So, we're we're quite a ways

2932
01:49:51,320 --> 01:49:54,000
yet from actually, you know, writing a

2933
01:49:54,000 --> 01:49:55,920
check or approving anything.

2934
01:49:55,920 --> 01:49:57,520
>> And council will approve anything. The

2935
01:49:57,520 --> 01:49:58,680
board will make a recommendation to

2936
01:49:58,680 --> 01:50:00,320
council and council ultimately approve

2937
01:50:00,320 --> 01:50:04,110
anything that happens.

2938
01:50:04,120 --> 01:50:08,280
» So, I am um

2939
01:50:08,280 --> 01:50:10,880
I'm still struggling with this a bit and

2940
01:50:10,880 --> 01:50:12,840
we don't need to debate this, you know,

2941
01:50:12,840 --> 01:50:15,120
today here. Um

2942
01:50:15,120 --> 01:50:17,360
I conservation's a great issue, full

2943
01:50:17,360 --> 01:50:19,680
stop. Environmental conservation

2944
01:50:19,680 --> 01:50:21,080
especially

2945
01:50:21,080 --> 01:50:23,560
is near and dear to my heart, full stop.

2946
01:50:23,560 --> 01:50:25,160
There's a bunch of issues we're working

2947
01:50:25,160 --> 01:50:26,960
on where we're trying to protect the

2948
01:50:26,960 --> 01:50:28,480
Kiawah River

2949
01:50:28,480 --> 01:50:30,440
watershed area, environmental

2950
01:50:30,440 --> 01:50:32,200
conservation,

2951
01:50:32,200 --> 01:50:36,200
um water quality in particular.

2952
01:50:36,200 --> 01:50:39,360
My my concern is kind of a couple of

2953
01:50:39,360 --> 01:50:41,840
things. One, and I I put on the hat like

2954
01:50:41,840 --> 01:50:43,840
we don't have taxes here on Kiawah, but

2955
01:50:43,840 --> 01:50:45,840
if we had taxpayers,

2956
01:50:45,840 --> 01:50:48,240
is this the highest and best use of

2957
01:50:48,240 --> 01:50:49,800
taxpayers money?

2958
01:50:49,800 --> 01:50:51,560
Um I think that's just a great way to

2959
01:50:51,560 --> 01:50:52,960
think about it.

2960
01:50:52,960 --> 01:50:54,040
Um

2961
01:50:54,040 --> 01:50:55,080
and I'm going to just throw out a couple

2962
01:50:55,080 --> 01:50:56,800
of things.

2963
01:50:56,800 --> 01:50:59,400
You know, we've been supportive of

2964
01:50:59,400 --> 01:51:02,480
Conservancy and other organizations like

2965
01:51:02,480 --> 01:51:04,600
the Conservancy. Does this put us in

2966
01:51:04,600 --> 01:51:06,760
competition with them or does it

2967
01:51:06,760 --> 01:51:09,920
increase greater partnership? I'm still

2968
01:51:09,920 --> 01:51:12,400
having trouble seeing the vision there.

2969
01:51:12,400 --> 01:51:16,920
Um the second thing is again near and

2970
01:51:16,920 --> 01:51:19,120
dear to my heart from other areas is

2971
01:51:19,120 --> 01:51:20,680
proximity.

2972
01:51:20,680 --> 01:51:22,640
I think the idea of defining the Kiawah

2973
01:51:22,640 --> 01:51:25,440
River watershed is the area

2974
01:51:25,440 --> 01:51:27,480
is the right way to do it.

2975
01:51:27,480 --> 01:51:30,080
But as I look at the map, there's some

2976
01:51:30,080 --> 01:51:31,960
that area includes areas up by the the

2977
01:51:31,960 --> 01:51:33,520
airport.

2978
01:51:33,520 --> 01:51:34,240
Uh

2979
01:51:34,240 --> 01:51:36,280
is that the right way to spending money

2980
01:51:36,280 --> 01:51:40,160
for Kiawah Island residents who are not of

2981
01:51:40,160 --> 01:51:41,920
Kiawah residents.

2982
01:51:41,920 --> 01:51:44,320
Um for me one of the things that kind of

2983
01:51:44,320 --> 01:51:46,960
got me on board with this is protecting

2984
01:51:46,960 --> 01:51:48,960
the corridor, and we call it the front

2985
01:51:48,960 --> 01:51:50,680
door to Kiawah.

2986
01:51:50,680 --> 01:51:53,000
That makes total sense to me. But then

2987
01:51:53,000 --> 01:51:55,120
how far where do you define the front

2988
01:51:55,120 --> 01:51:56,600
door? Where does that stop? At some

2989
01:51:56,600 --> 01:51:58,412
point there's got to be a boundary.

2990
01:51:58,412 --> 01:51:58,680
>> [snorts]

2991
01:51:58,680 --> 01:52:00,760
>> Um so I like the idea of the watershed

2992
01:52:00,760 --> 01:52:03,080
because it's more inclusive of

2993
01:52:03,080 --> 01:52:05,640
protecting water quality.

2994
01:52:05,640 --> 01:52:07,080
Um

2995
01:52:07,080 --> 01:52:08,920
but again at some point the boundary

2996
01:52:08,920 --> 01:52:10,800
becomes important to me.

2997
01:52:10,800 --> 01:52:12,400
Um

2998
01:52:12,400 --> 01:52:14,320
is there higher and better uses for

2999
01:52:14,320 --> 01:52:15,720
these funds?

3000
01:52:15,720 --> 01:52:17,040
Um

3001
01:52:17,040 --> 01:52:19,880
how do we prioritize parcel A versus

3002
01:52:19,880 --> 01:52:21,440
parcel B?

3003
01:52:21,440 --> 01:52:22,640
Um

3004
01:52:22,640 --> 01:52:24,600
those things are going to come in

3005
01:52:24,600 --> 01:52:26,920
and I do want to before I go any further

3006
01:52:26,920 --> 01:52:28,560
one of my requirements for even

3007
01:52:28,560 --> 01:52:30,080
entertaining

3008
01:52:30,080 --> 01:52:31,760
this ordinance was

3009
01:52:31,760 --> 01:52:34,320
for there to be a a plan put together.

3010
01:52:34,320 --> 01:52:36,520
And you've done a spectacular job,

3011
01:52:36,520 --> 01:52:39,600
Lance. This is great great starting

3012
01:52:39,600 --> 01:52:41,440
point. And And starting point doesn't do

3013
01:52:41,440 --> 01:52:44,240
it justice, but it's a great great place

3014
01:52:44,240 --> 01:52:45,960
to to begin to think about the

3015
01:52:45,960 --> 01:52:47,880
ordinance. So I really appreciate you

3016
01:52:47,880 --> 01:52:50,000
taking time and getting this done so

3017
01:52:50,000 --> 01:52:50,813
well.

3018
01:52:50,813 --> 01:52:51,080
>> [snorts]

3019
01:52:51,080 --> 01:52:52,120
>> Um

3020
01:52:52,120 --> 01:52:54,240
I I'm not saying no. I just kind of when

3021
01:52:54,240 --> 01:52:55,880
Larry spoke earlier, I had kind of the

3022
01:52:55,880 --> 01:52:58,480
same That's kind of where I was. What

3023
01:52:58,480 --> 01:53:00,080
are we doing and why are we doing it?

3024
01:53:00,080 --> 01:53:02,400
And What are the limits? How do we

3025
01:53:02,400 --> 01:53:04,680
prioritize? Are we competing? Are we

3026
01:53:04,680 --> 01:53:07,080
providing more funds or maybe providing

3027
01:53:07,080 --> 01:53:09,040
less funds? How does this affect our

3028
01:53:09,040 --> 01:53:11,160
relationship with the conservancy?

3029
01:53:11,160 --> 01:53:12,280
Um

3030
01:53:12,280 --> 01:53:14,480
I want to talk about just more. But

3031
01:53:14,480 --> 01:53:16,320
those are just some of the issues as I

3032
01:53:16,320 --> 01:53:18,640
sit here and I think about this uh we

3033
01:53:18,640 --> 01:53:20,360
entertain this idea.

3034
01:53:20,360 --> 01:53:22,120
The last thing I'll say is as you know I

3035
01:53:22,120 --> 01:53:23,520
was

3036
01:53:23,520 --> 01:53:25,040
very much against putting anything in

3037
01:53:25,040 --> 01:53:27,960
the budget or earmarking funds until we

3038
01:53:27,960 --> 01:53:30,800
got a document like this in front of us.

3039
01:53:30,800 --> 01:53:34,160
So I again really appreciate getting this

3040
01:53:34,160 --> 01:53:35,800
document in front of us.

3041
01:53:35,800 --> 01:53:37,560
What I didn't want to see then and what

3042
01:53:37,560 --> 01:53:39,280
I don't want to see now is us allocating

3043
01:53:39,280 --> 01:53:41,840
money money and then spending it because

3044
01:53:41,840 --> 01:53:44,160
we've allocated it. Uh so I want us to

3045
01:53:44,160 --> 01:53:47,040
be very judicious as this goes forward

3046
01:53:47,040 --> 01:53:49,000
for us to think about that and not

3047
01:53:49,000 --> 01:53:50,240
just pick a number and allocate it and

3048
01:53:50,240 --> 01:53:52,240
then we spend it and that gets back to

3049
01:53:52,240 --> 01:53:54,200
the responsibility to if we had

3050
01:53:54,200 --> 01:53:56,640
taxpayers. How how do we think about

3051
01:53:56,640 --> 01:53:59,240
using taxpayer money most efficiently?

3052
01:53:59,240 --> 01:54:02,560
So I I'll stop there but um

3053
01:54:02,560 --> 01:54:03,760
I think the work you've done is

3054
01:54:03,760 --> 01:54:06,040
spectacular. And now it's just kind of

3055
01:54:06,040 --> 01:54:07,240
looking through it and kind of dotting

3056
01:54:07,240 --> 01:54:08,960
the eyes and crossing the Ts and getting

3057
01:54:08,960 --> 01:54:11,200
comfortable with

3058
01:54:11,200 --> 01:54:12,680
the boundaries I'll say broadly

3059
01:54:12,680 --> 01:54:13,480
speaking.

3060
01:54:13,480 --> 01:54:14,800
>> Well, thanks and I'm happy to discuss

3061
01:54:14,800 --> 01:54:16,160
with you offline as well as you're

3062
01:54:16,160 --> 01:54:17,560
digesting and and coming up with

3063
01:54:17,560 --> 01:54:20,400
questions. Um a couple quick answers not

3064
01:54:20,400 --> 01:54:23,480
to prolong it. Um it's the the watershed

3065
01:54:23,480 --> 01:54:25,240
idea was we knew we need to put some

3066
01:54:25,240 --> 01:54:26,320
kind of boundary on.

3067
01:54:26,320 --> 01:54:28,240
>> Absolutely.

3068
01:54:28,240 --> 01:54:29,200
>> And that's one of the things I think

3069
01:54:29,200 --> 01:54:31,760
we'll learn over time. And if we've got

3070
01:54:31,760 --> 01:54:34,760
competing interests and priorities of

3071
01:54:34,760 --> 01:54:35,760
you know there's something that maybe

3072
01:54:35,760 --> 01:54:36,840
does protect the corridor because that's

3073
01:54:36,840 --> 01:54:44,280
important to me as well. Um you know the the front door coming in. Um and and the ambiance of that which preserve

3074
01:54:44,280 --> 01:54:47,560
checks a lot of blocks. Um the

3075
01:54:47,560 --> 01:54:48,800
recommendation out of the board to the

3076
01:54:48,800 --> 01:54:50,200
council and the decision of council may

3077
01:54:50,200 --> 01:54:52,360
be of course something that's you know

3078
01:54:52,360 --> 01:54:54,960
more proximate to us. Um similar to how

3079
01:54:54,960 --> 01:54:56,320
we've handled the sales tax and other

3080
01:54:56,320 --> 01:54:59,320
kinds of things. Um this is not intended

3081
01:54:59,320 --> 01:55:01,120
at all to be in competition with the

3082
01:55:01,120 --> 01:55:03,560
conservancy or low country. It's In

3083
01:55:03,560 --> 01:55:07,720
fact, I think it's in there that it's it's to be a partnership. They

3084
01:55:07,720 --> 01:55:09,200
would be the executing agent. We would

3085
01:55:09,200 --> 01:55:11,080
not be going out and doing land

3086
01:55:11,080 --> 01:55:13,880
purchases or our own easements. We would

3087
01:55:13,880 --> 01:55:15,520
execute through them. And And And

3088
01:55:15,520 --> 01:55:16,880
they're masters of putting together a

3089
01:55:16,880 --> 01:55:19,240
patchwork of green belt funds and maybe

3090
01:55:19,240 --> 01:55:21,520
us and, you know, some grants and some

3091
01:55:21,520 --> 01:55:23,480
other things to to execute their

3092
01:55:23,480 --> 01:55:25,760
purchases. So, um and when it comes to

3093
01:55:25,760 --> 01:55:27,360
the money, I mean,

3094
01:55:27,360 --> 01:55:28,600
I thought of different ways we could do

3095
01:55:28,600 --> 01:55:30,040
it, too. You know, we we we could do a

3096
01:55:30,040 --> 01:55:32,120
mid-year budget review. I mean,

3097
01:55:32,120 --> 01:55:35,080
technically, we can approve

3098
01:55:35,080 --> 01:55:37,120
budget real time if we wanted to through

3099
01:55:37,120 --> 01:55:38,880
the Ways and Means. You know, here's the

3100
01:55:38,880 --> 01:55:40,240
applications we've got. And we think

3101
01:55:40,240 --> 01:55:41,960
we're meeting quarterly. Maybe there's

3102
01:55:41,960 --> 01:55:44,080
ad hoc. Maybe there's something worthy.

3103
01:55:44,080 --> 01:55:45,280
Maybe we bring it through the Ways and

3104
01:55:45,280 --> 01:55:47,120
Means process

3105
01:55:47,120 --> 01:55:49,520
individually or as a package more real

3106
01:55:49,520 --> 01:55:51,320
time as opposed to,

3107
01:55:51,320 --> 01:55:53,360
you know, annual semi-annual budget

3108
01:55:53,360 --> 01:55:54,400
review. We'll have to think through

3109
01:55:54,400 --> 01:55:57,080
those things. I I hear you on that. Um

3110
01:55:57,080 --> 01:55:58,000
so, that we can make balance to

3111
01:55:58,000 --> 01:55:59,640
frugality and the appropriate use of

3112
01:55:59,640 --> 01:56:01,440
money to trying to accomplish some of

3113
01:56:01,440 --> 01:56:02,480
these goals.

3114
01:56:02,480 --> 01:56:03,840
>> And And I'll tell you up front, I I I

3115
01:56:03,840 --> 01:56:05,400
have some conflicting thoughts in my own

3116
01:56:05,400 --> 01:56:06,960
mind about this.

3117
01:56:06,960 --> 01:56:09,120
Um When When I think about this

3118
01:56:09,120 --> 01:56:10,520
originally and the way I got comfortable

3119
01:56:10,520 --> 01:56:12,320
with this originally was thinking of it

3120
01:56:12,320 --> 01:56:14,520
as a green belt fund for predominantly

3121
01:56:14,520 --> 01:56:15,560
Betsy Kerrison.

3122
01:56:15,560 --> 01:56:16,000
>> Mhm.

3123
01:56:16,000 --> 01:56:19,240
>> Um But that was That was um and maybe

3124
01:56:19,240 --> 01:56:20,440
this is the way I'm supposed to think,

3125
01:56:20,440 --> 01:56:22,080
but that was really self-serving for

3126
01:56:22,080 --> 01:56:23,680
residents of Kiawah.

3127
01:56:23,680 --> 01:56:25,760
And I thought is there ways to benefit

3128
01:56:25,760 --> 01:56:27,720
the broader community that's not the

3129
01:56:27,720 --> 01:56:29,040
town of Kiawah?

3130
01:56:29,040 --> 01:56:31,520
And for me, a passion might be to

3131
01:56:31,520 --> 01:56:34,360
protect small land owners who might

3132
01:56:34,360 --> 01:56:35,920
otherwise be forced off their land

3133
01:56:35,920 --> 01:56:39,160
because of property values. I I I don't

3134
01:56:39,160 --> 01:56:41,520
want all of Johns Island to become like

3135
01:56:41,520 --> 01:56:43,320
Kiawah Island. I like the economic the

3136
01:56:43,320 --> 01:56:45,600
socio-economic diversity that we have

3137
01:56:45,600 --> 01:56:47,400
around us. And to protect that

3138
01:56:47,400 --> 01:56:49,360
socio-economic diversity, to protect

3139
01:56:49,360 --> 01:56:52,160
diversity of land use, small farms,

3140
01:56:52,160 --> 01:56:55,360
larger farms, uh wooded areas, all of

3141
01:56:55,360 --> 01:56:57,120
that makes sense. What I certainly don't

3142
01:56:57,120 --> 01:56:59,080
want to see is, you know, residential

3143
01:56:59,080 --> 01:57:01,200
developments all over Johns Island.

3144
01:57:01,200 --> 01:57:02,440
So,

3145
01:57:02,440 --> 01:57:04,520
that's the good side of this. The The

3146
01:57:04,520 --> 01:57:05,760
hard thing for me is just getting up

3147
01:57:05,760 --> 01:57:07,760
with how do we execute on that and where

3148
01:57:07,760 --> 01:57:09,720
do we stop and what are our priorities?

3149
01:57:09,720 --> 01:57:10,960
>> I've went through similar thought

3150
01:57:10,960 --> 01:57:13,200
processes, so I hear you.

3151
01:57:13,200 --> 01:57:15,240
>> And you know, you mentioned like around

3152
01:57:15,240 --> 01:57:17,600
the the airport.

3153
01:57:17,600 --> 01:57:18,880
The fact of the matter is Johns Island

3154
01:57:18,880 --> 01:57:21,331
is an island.

3155
01:57:21,331 --> 01:57:21,360
>> [laughter]

3156
01:57:21,360 --> 01:57:23,920
>> And so, it's surrounded by waters well,

3157
01:57:23,920 --> 01:57:26,440
the Stono and all of that and and stuff

3158
01:57:26,440 --> 01:57:31,270
runs off of Johns Island agricultural

3159
01:57:31,280 --> 01:57:34,920
runoff, etc. And Lee Bundrick

3160
01:57:34,920 --> 01:57:36,240
conservancy has done extraordinary

3161
01:57:36,240 --> 01:57:37,560
amount of work on behalf of the town

3162
01:57:37,560 --> 01:57:39,760
looking at water quality issues and

3163
01:57:39,760 --> 01:57:41,920
shellfish harvesting restrictions that

3164
01:57:41,920 --> 01:57:44,360
exist in Kiawah River in part because of

3165
01:57:44,360 --> 01:57:46,640
some of these development pressures. It

3166
01:57:46,640 --> 01:57:48,520
just kind of one of the pragmatic

3167
01:57:48,520 --> 01:57:50,640
issues. You know, yes, protecting water

3168
01:57:50,640 --> 01:57:52,880
quality, protecting

3169
01:57:52,880 --> 01:57:56,160
view sheds, aesthetics, uh

3170
01:57:56,160 --> 01:57:58,480
wildlife habitat.

3171
01:57:58,480 --> 01:57:59,800
>> Number one thing we always get

3172
01:57:59,800 --> 01:58:01,400
complaints about is traffic.

3173
01:58:01,400 --> 01:58:02,360
>> Mhm.

3174
01:58:02,360 --> 01:58:05,160
>> And the less actual development,

3175
01:58:05,160 --> 01:58:06,960
commercial and residential development

3176
01:58:06,960 --> 01:58:08,840
in lower Johns Island along Betsy

3177
01:58:08,840 --> 01:58:11,680
Kerrison, Bohicket, and River up to the

3178
01:58:11,680 --> 01:58:13,400
ingress and egress points off of the

3179
01:58:13,400 --> 01:58:14,520
island,

3180
01:58:14,520 --> 01:58:16,520
the less future

3181
01:58:16,520 --> 01:58:18,920
traffic pressure there will be. So, any

3182
01:58:18,920 --> 01:58:20,360
product property that's put under

3183
01:58:20,360 --> 01:58:22,640
conservation easement is one that's not

3184
01:58:22,640 --> 01:58:25,680
then further developed for by right for

3185
01:58:25,680 --> 01:58:28,120
residential purposes or agricultural

3186
01:58:28,120 --> 01:58:29,240
purposes.

3187
01:58:29,240 --> 01:58:31,600
So, there is that element of it. But

3188
01:58:31,600 --> 01:58:34,440
yes, this I I agree.

3189
01:58:34,440 --> 01:58:36,360
I've had a lot of back and forth as well

3190
01:58:36,360 --> 01:58:39,277
on trying to say, "Ah, criteria."

3191
01:58:39,277 --> 01:58:39,680
>> [laughter]

3192
01:58:39,680 --> 01:58:42,040
>> And and there is still

3193
01:58:42,040 --> 01:58:44,920
this process. I mean, ultimately,

3194
01:58:44,920 --> 01:58:46,600
there's the policies and procedures

3195
01:58:46,600 --> 01:58:48,840
you've got to

3196
01:58:48,840 --> 01:58:51,960
establish the advisory committee, which

3197
01:58:51,960 --> 01:58:53,080
will

3198
01:58:53,080 --> 01:58:54,560
you know, review all the criteria.

3199
01:58:54,560 --> 01:58:56,360
There's got to be a justification, just

3200
01:58:56,360 --> 01:58:58,000
like there is for the county greenbelt

3201
01:58:58,000 --> 01:59:00,040
fund. And one of our requirements, it's

3202
01:59:00,040 --> 01:59:01,320
not a requirement, but I think one of

3203
01:59:01,320 --> 01:59:02,920
the criteria and how you weight things

3204
01:59:02,920 --> 01:59:05,200
is, you know, this isn't just the town

3205
01:59:05,200 --> 01:59:08,040
doing this. This is if you also leverage

3206
01:59:08,040 --> 01:59:10,240
off county greenbelt,

3207
01:59:10,240 --> 01:59:12,080
uh state

3208
01:59:12,080 --> 01:59:15,520
conservation bank, resiliency fund, etc.

3209
01:59:15,520 --> 01:59:17,160
So, we're leveraging off things where

3210
01:59:17,160 --> 01:59:19,200
there's a collective belief there is a

3211
01:59:19,200 --> 01:59:21,440
high conservation value. At the end of

3212
01:59:21,440 --> 01:59:23,560
the day, the town, it's got to come back

3213
01:59:23,560 --> 01:59:26,160
to the council, even if there is money

3214
01:59:26,160 --> 01:59:29,160
allocated to the greenbelt fund or the

3215
01:59:29,160 --> 01:59:31,120
conservation fund, it still comes back

3216
01:59:31,120 --> 01:59:33,480
as a recommendation to the council.

3217
01:59:33,480 --> 01:59:35,240
>> Yeah, I think that I mean I mean a lot

3218
01:59:35,240 --> 01:59:36,760
of this is

3219
01:59:36,760 --> 01:59:37,960
um

3220
01:59:37,960 --> 01:59:40,040
I think how do how do we be a good

3221
01:59:40,040 --> 01:59:41,800
neighbor to the broad Johns Island

3222
01:59:41,800 --> 01:59:42,840
community?

3223
01:59:42,840 --> 01:59:45,400
And this is one certainly one way. And

3224
01:59:45,400 --> 01:59:47,720
we can impact traffic. Uh

3225
01:59:47,720 --> 01:59:49,040
I'll take that off cuz I don't I can

3226
01:59:49,040 --> 01:59:50,640
argue both sides then. We can impact

3227
01:59:50,640 --> 01:59:52,520
traffic. We can certainly impact the

3228
01:59:52,520 --> 01:59:54,640
visual corridor for other neighbors up

3229
01:59:54,640 --> 01:59:57,600
and down Betsy Kerrison or beyond.

3230
01:59:57,600 --> 01:59:59,640
Uh we can be a good neighbor by, you

3231
01:59:59,640 --> 02:00:01,120
know, maintaining improving the

3232
02:00:01,120 --> 02:00:03,680
watershed. And and I'll actually I'll

3233
02:00:03,680 --> 02:00:05,360
call that one out because

3234
02:00:05,360 --> 02:00:08,040
that's one that frustrates me because

3235
02:00:08,040 --> 02:00:09,600
we're being put in a position of having

3236
02:00:09,600 --> 02:00:10,720
to have a

3237
02:00:10,720 --> 02:00:13,480
septic tank here on our property.

3238
02:00:13,480 --> 02:00:14,720
You know, that's not going to help the

3239
02:00:14,720 --> 02:00:16,520
watershed area. So, I'd I'd really like

3240
02:00:16,520 --> 02:00:17,680
for us to

3241
02:00:17,680 --> 02:00:19,920
find a way to be a good neighbor, have a

3242
02:00:19,920 --> 02:00:21,320
good neighbor, and and make sure we

3243
02:00:21,320 --> 02:00:22,960
don't have to have a septic system for

3244
02:00:22,960 --> 02:00:25,960
our for our town, but we have to we have

3245
02:00:25,960 --> 02:00:28,040
to build this this building.

3246
02:00:28,040 --> 02:00:29,120
Um

3247
02:00:29,120 --> 02:00:31,000
So, there's a it's a lot of benefits

3248
02:00:31,000 --> 02:00:33,080
here, and it's the right thing to do.

3249
02:00:33,080 --> 02:00:36,480
It's again kind of

3250
02:00:36,480 --> 02:00:38,440
What's How far do we go both in terms of

3251
02:00:38,440 --> 02:00:40,240
monetary expenditures, both in terms of

3252
02:00:40,240 --> 02:00:43,920
physical dimensions, and um

3253
02:00:43,920 --> 02:00:45,800
you know, up and down the socioeconomic

3254
02:00:45,800 --> 02:00:48,080
boundaries that we can help.

3255
02:00:48,080 --> 02:00:49,000
>> All right.

3256
02:00:49,000 --> 02:00:51,360
Appreciate all that. To to be continued

3257
02:00:51,360 --> 02:00:53,040
on that. This is first reading with

3258
02:00:53,040 --> 02:00:54,800
continued I assume you and Stephanie

3259
02:00:54,800 --> 02:00:56,640
would welcome continued input from

3260
02:00:56,640 --> 02:00:58,080
council members.

3261
02:00:58,080 --> 02:00:59,960
I I expect council member Werner will

3262
02:00:59,960 --> 02:01:02,160
also have some some thoughts and

3263
02:01:02,160 --> 02:01:03,480
perspectives. I know you've done a good

3264
02:01:03,480 --> 02:01:05,880
job of reaching out to to everybody and

3265
02:01:05,880 --> 02:01:08,640
engaging everybody. Any other further

3266
02:01:08,640 --> 02:01:10,440
questions or or or comments at this

3267
02:01:10,440 --> 02:01:13,200
point in time? I'm not sure we did

3268
02:01:13,200 --> 02:01:15,040
actually I do do not have I do not have

3269
02:01:15,040 --> 02:01:18,960
a motion to to approve adoption of the

3270
02:01:18,960 --> 02:01:21,200
ordinance which is all that it is at

3271
02:01:21,200 --> 02:01:23,400
this point in time the framework on

3272
02:01:23,400 --> 02:01:25,280
first reading.

3273
02:01:25,280 --> 02:01:26,840
>> So moved.

3274
02:01:26,840 --> 02:01:27,920
>> Second.

3275
02:01:27,920 --> 02:01:30,560
>> Any further discussion? All in favor?

3276
02:01:30,560 --> 02:01:32,680
>> Aye.

3277
02:01:32,680 --> 02:01:34,760
>> Thank you.

3278
02:01:34,760 --> 02:01:39,400
Next agenda item Mr. Gottschalk.

3279
02:01:39,400 --> 02:01:43,840
This is discussion item no no action

3280
02:01:43,840 --> 02:01:46,000
proposed at this point in time. Although

3281
02:01:46,000 --> 02:01:48,600
the discussion may lend itself to some

3282
02:01:48,600 --> 02:01:52,760
potential actions. But this is um

3283
02:01:52,760 --> 02:01:56,800
to deal with issues in

3284
02:01:56,800 --> 02:01:59,160
they've been persistent issues. I would

3285
02:01:59,160 --> 02:02:01,560
say that they become perhaps even more

3286
02:02:01,560 --> 02:02:04,320
persistent given Kika's decision to

3287
02:02:04,320 --> 02:02:07,920
remove the

3288
02:02:07,920 --> 02:02:11,160
recycling area and the dumpsters from

3289
02:02:11,160 --> 02:02:14,040
Beachwalker Center. And so now it's just

3290
02:02:14,040 --> 02:02:17,520
solar rail in here. So I asked

3291
02:02:17,520 --> 02:02:21,560
Brian to kind of provide us with some

3292
02:02:21,560 --> 02:02:23,280
background and context what we've

3293
02:02:23,280 --> 02:02:25,400
actually encountered.

3294
02:02:25,400 --> 02:02:27,240
What the practical issues are for the

3295
02:02:27,240 --> 02:02:29,720
town and different options that we might

3296
02:02:29,720 --> 02:02:31,440
look at for addressing those.

3297
02:02:31,440 --> 02:02:32,920
>> Yes sir, thank you.

3298
02:02:32,920 --> 02:02:33,960
So

3299
02:02:33,960 --> 02:02:36,680
good quick background on some of the

3300
02:02:36,680 --> 02:02:38,640
issues that we've been having.

3301
02:02:38,640 --> 02:02:40,280
I'm going to going to

3302
02:02:40,280 --> 02:02:42,680
kind of specifically speak to Kestrel

3303
02:02:42,680 --> 02:02:44,640
Court. That's where we're seeing

3304
02:02:44,640 --> 02:02:47,040
most of the issues. Um

3305
02:02:47,040 --> 02:02:49,320
I've got I've got some pictures that I

3306
02:02:49,320 --> 02:02:51,880
can share with you guys as well. Um and

3307
02:02:51,880 --> 02:02:54,120
I think Neil's going to queue that up.

3308
02:02:54,120 --> 02:02:57,680
But while he's doing that, um so for for

3309
02:02:57,680 --> 02:02:59,560
a while, um

3310
02:02:59,560 --> 02:03:01,200
years

3311
02:03:01,200 --> 02:03:04,080
actually, we've been seeing on and off

3312
02:03:04,080 --> 02:03:06,800
um a lot of trash piling up at Kestrel

3313
02:03:06,800 --> 02:03:09,920
Court. Um for one reason or another, uh

3314
02:03:09,920 --> 02:03:13,200
could be inoperability of the compactor

3315
02:03:13,200 --> 02:03:16,640
units or they just might be full. And um

3316
02:03:16,640 --> 02:03:18,760
we're seeing people just leave their

3317
02:03:18,760 --> 02:03:22,040
refuse on the ground. Um and it's become

3318
02:03:22,040 --> 02:03:24,480
quite quite an issue.

3319
02:03:24,480 --> 02:03:25,080
Uh

3320
02:03:25,080 --> 02:03:28,640
pretty regularly on a Monday, we'll come

3321
02:03:28,640 --> 02:03:30,920
into work and and be notified or go

3322
02:03:30,920 --> 02:03:32,240
check out and see that there's a big

3323
02:03:32,240 --> 02:03:34,320
issue over at Kestrel Court. And what

3324
02:03:34,320 --> 02:03:38,040
that does is a takes up a lot of time um

3325
02:03:38,040 --> 02:03:40,880
from me, Michael, um and some other

3326
02:03:40,880 --> 02:03:43,320
people that we have uh to help clean up

3327
02:03:43,320 --> 02:03:45,200
that site. Um

3328
02:03:45,200 --> 02:03:46,840
it's really unhealthy for the

3329
02:03:46,840 --> 02:03:49,480
environment and it's it's just obviously

3330
02:03:49,480 --> 02:03:51,560
an overall terrible look um for people

3331
02:03:51,560 --> 02:03:53,640
that go to utilize that site.

3332
02:03:53,640 --> 02:03:56,400
And further, the trash can pile up so

3333
02:03:56,400 --> 02:03:59,200
much so that the units can't be serviced

3334
02:03:59,200 --> 02:04:01,640
until they get uh till the site gets

3335
02:04:01,640 --> 02:04:03,920
cleaned up. Um

3336
02:04:03,920 --> 02:04:06,160
So, this is a conversation that that

3337
02:04:06,160 --> 02:04:08,280
we're bringing up. We're revisiting now.

3338
02:04:08,280 --> 02:04:10,200
We've had this conversation uh you know,

3339
02:04:10,200 --> 02:04:13,080
just general discussion a few times. I

3340
02:04:13,080 --> 02:04:15,320
think most recently was maybe at uh this

3341
02:04:15,320 --> 02:04:17,560
retreat over the winter.

3342
02:04:17,560 --> 02:04:19,160
Um

3343
02:04:19,160 --> 02:04:21,400
We put forth the efforts that were

3344
02:04:21,400 --> 02:04:23,960
discussed there. Higher enforcement.

3345
02:04:23,960 --> 02:04:26,000
We've upgraded the cameras. We added an

3346
02:04:26,000 --> 02:04:28,440
additional camera over there as well.

3347
02:04:28,440 --> 02:04:29,160
Um

3348
02:04:29,160 --> 02:04:31,000
regular routine monitoring. We've

3349
02:04:31,000 --> 02:04:33,440
upgraded the signage. Um we're still

3350
02:04:33,440 --> 02:04:36,280
just seeing a lot of abuse and misuse of

3351
02:04:36,280 --> 02:04:38,120
that site over there.

3352
02:04:38,120 --> 02:04:40,040
Um Um

3353
02:04:40,040 --> 02:04:41,840
>> So, let let me stop you right there.

3354
02:04:41,840 --> 02:04:42,520
>> Yes, sir.

3355
02:04:42,520 --> 02:04:45,640
>> As I listened to start and I was

3356
02:04:45,640 --> 02:04:47,080
thinking about how do you solve this

3357
02:04:47,080 --> 02:04:48,120
problem,

3358
02:04:48,120 --> 02:04:51,360
it sounded a lot like a capacity issue.

3359
02:04:51,360 --> 02:04:53,440
Or a capacity of machines that were

3360
02:04:53,440 --> 02:04:54,760
working.

3361
02:04:54,760 --> 02:04:55,080
>> Um

3362
02:04:55,080 --> 02:04:57,360
>> Did you think about that in your um in

3363
02:04:57,360 --> 02:04:58,600
your analysis?

3364
02:04:58,600 --> 02:04:59,960
>> Yes. Uh

3365
02:04:59,960 --> 02:05:03,520
it's not typically a capacity issue.

3366
02:05:03,520 --> 02:05:06,480
There are plenty of times, I would say

3367
02:05:06,480 --> 02:05:08,200
almost the majority of the times where

3368
02:05:08,200 --> 02:05:10,640
I'll go over there and clean up what's

3369
02:05:10,640 --> 02:05:13,280
been placed on the ground. Um I can

3370
02:05:13,280 --> 02:05:15,680
typically fit everything into the

3371
02:05:15,680 --> 02:05:18,160
compactors where they're supposed to go.

3372
02:05:18,160 --> 02:05:21,240
What we're seeing is um

3373
02:05:21,240 --> 02:05:25,080
misuse of it uh in the way of people

3374
02:05:25,080 --> 02:05:29,760
throwing away prohibited items that are

3375
02:05:29,760 --> 02:05:31,560
clogging up the dumpsters, creating

3376
02:05:31,560 --> 02:05:34,120
voids in the hole so that there's trash

3377
02:05:34,120 --> 02:05:35,600
not falling to the bottom where the

3378
02:05:35,600 --> 02:05:38,160
compactor can actually work and and

3379
02:05:38,160 --> 02:05:40,160
press material together.

3380
02:05:40,160 --> 02:05:40,800
Um

3381
02:05:40,800 --> 02:05:43,480
and then there's there's just a lot of

3382
02:05:43,480 --> 02:05:45,600
bulky kind of what we would consider

3383
02:05:45,600 --> 02:05:48,520
brown trash items that would not fit in

3384
02:05:48,520 --> 02:05:50,680
those units in the first place. And um

3385
02:05:50,680 --> 02:05:51,800
so they're just being left on the

3386
02:05:51,800 --> 02:05:53,760
ground. And then a lot of times what

3387
02:05:53,760 --> 02:05:56,360
we're seeing is somebody will show up,

3388
02:05:56,360 --> 02:05:58,480
they'll see items on the ground already.

3389
02:05:58,480 --> 02:06:00,520
They won't even look into the units to

3390
02:06:00,520 --> 02:06:01,880
see if there's space for them to throw

3391
02:06:01,880 --> 02:06:03,320
their stuff away. They'll just go ahead

3392
02:06:03,320 --> 02:06:07,560
and put it on the ground assuming that that's the

3393
02:06:07,560 --> 02:06:09,640
appropriate or or best course of action.

3394
02:06:09,640 --> 02:06:12,800
So, capacity is not is not really an

3395
02:06:12,800 --> 02:06:15,560
issue. It's it's the misuse of people

3396
02:06:15,560 --> 02:06:18,120
throwing away prohibited items. Um

3397
02:06:18,120 --> 02:06:20,640
>> Somebody left a boat at the town.

3398
02:06:20,640 --> 02:06:21,040
>> They did.

3399
02:06:21,040 --> 02:06:22,480
>> do we have the photos?

3400
02:06:22,480 --> 02:06:23,880
>> Um yeah, I think

3401
02:06:23,880 --> 02:06:25,800
>> I had one on my phone I was trying to

3402
02:06:25,800 --> 02:06:26,920
find.

3403
02:06:26,920 --> 02:06:29,080
Uh I mean it was

3404
02:06:29,080 --> 02:06:31,720
10 ft or more

3405
02:06:31,720 --> 02:06:35,080
of trash in front of everything.

3406
02:06:35,080 --> 02:06:37,680
The compactors piled up all the length

3407
02:06:37,680 --> 02:06:39,390
of it at one time at Kestrel

3408
02:06:39,397 --> 02:06:39,400
» [clears throat]

3409
02:06:39,400 --> 02:06:42,240
>> Solar Rail. Somebody gave me a heads-up

3410
02:06:42,240 --> 02:06:43,320
on a

3411
02:06:43,320 --> 02:06:44,960
the local resident on a weekend. I went

3412
02:06:44,960 --> 02:06:48,080
over there and it was

3413
02:06:48,080 --> 02:06:50,040
remarkable how much trash was just

3414
02:06:50,040 --> 02:06:50,800
dumped on the ground.

3415
02:06:50,800 --> 02:06:51,840
>> It's bad behavior.

3416
02:06:51,840 --> 02:06:55,760
>> And yeah, um so

3417
02:06:55,760 --> 02:06:59,720
what I think the intention of of

3418
02:06:59,720 --> 02:07:03,520
revisiting this discussion today is to

3419
02:07:03,520 --> 02:07:06,160
um see if there's any any progress or or

3420
02:07:06,160 --> 02:07:08,320
guidance that that I can get from the

3421
02:07:08,320 --> 02:07:11,160
council to um

3422
02:07:11,160 --> 02:07:14,200
to take some different measures over at

3423
02:07:14,200 --> 02:07:16,840
Kestrel Court. And like the mayor said,

3424
02:07:16,840 --> 02:07:18,560
I think we're going to see um a little

3425
02:07:18,560 --> 02:07:20,880
bit more use of that site now that the

3426
02:07:20,880 --> 02:07:23,440
Beachwalker Center um dumpsters are no

3427
02:07:23,440 --> 02:07:25,880
longer available to the public. Um

3428
02:07:25,880 --> 02:07:28,120
again, capacity isn't necessarily issue,

3429
02:07:28,120 --> 02:07:29,920
but

3430
02:07:29,920 --> 02:07:31,880
you know, as soon as somebody puts

3431
02:07:31,880 --> 02:07:33,240
something on the ground, then that many

3432
02:07:33,240 --> 02:07:34,840
more people are going to start uh

3433
02:07:34,840 --> 02:07:37,840
following suit. Um so

3434
02:07:37,840 --> 02:07:40,280
if y'all don't have any other questions,

3435
02:07:40,280 --> 02:07:42,880
then I can go into some options, or

3436
02:07:42,880 --> 02:07:45,120
maybe Mayor, you would like to present

3437
02:07:45,120 --> 02:07:45,720
some options.

3438
02:07:45,720 --> 02:07:47,720
>> like you've got the the they're coming

3439
02:07:47,720 --> 02:07:50,160
up. Um you know, one of the things we've

3440
02:07:50,160 --> 02:07:52,920
got to to

3441
02:07:52,920 --> 02:07:54,880
determine because it's been a persistent

3442
02:07:54,880 --> 02:07:56,920
problem of just dumping a lot of trash

3443
02:07:56,920 --> 02:08:00,720
there and misuse of the site is you

3444
02:08:00,720 --> 02:08:02,960
know, this is a convenience

3445
02:08:02,960 --> 02:08:04,320
for

3446
02:08:04,320 --> 02:08:07,960
uh uh residents and property owners.

3447
02:08:07,960 --> 02:08:08,800
Um

3448
02:08:08,800 --> 02:08:11,000
you you do have Bees Ferry. The county

3449
02:08:11,000 --> 02:08:14,200
does have a landfill, which one can go

3450
02:08:14,200 --> 02:08:15,200
to,

3451
02:08:15,200 --> 02:08:17,000
uh and that's typically where you go.

3452
02:08:17,000 --> 02:08:17,760
The town

3453
02:08:17,760 --> 02:08:19,280
>> It's not open on Saturday.

3454
02:08:19,280 --> 02:08:20,840
>> It's open from 8:00 to 3:00 on

3455
02:08:20,840 --> 02:08:22,520
Saturdays. Um

3456
02:08:22,520 --> 02:08:24,520
but but any event,

3457
02:08:24,520 --> 02:08:26,360
it's I'm just saying there is Bees

3458
02:08:26,360 --> 02:08:28,480
Ferry. It

3459
02:08:28,480 --> 02:08:31,520
We'll get there, Phil. Um the

3460
02:08:31,520 --> 02:08:32,160
uh

3461
02:08:32,160 --> 02:08:34,000
Bees Ferry, interestingly enough, or any

3462
02:08:34,000 --> 02:08:38,400
typical landfill, is for the use of

3463
02:08:38,400 --> 02:08:40,000
residents.

3464
02:08:40,000 --> 02:08:45,320
Um not and explicitly not commercial uh

3465
02:08:45,320 --> 02:08:48,600
waste or construction waste. Uh it's

3466
02:08:48,600 --> 02:08:49,960
used for the residents. And at Bees

3467
02:08:49,960 --> 02:08:52,680
Ferry, you have to show your resident

3468
02:08:52,680 --> 02:08:54,360
your ID to show you're a resident of

3469
02:08:54,360 --> 02:08:57,680
Charleston County and or utility bill to

3470
02:08:57,680 --> 02:09:00,960
show you're a property owner. Um you

3471
02:09:00,960 --> 02:09:03,320
know, this is supposed to be a facility

3472
02:09:03,320 --> 02:09:05,400
for the use of Kiawah Island residents

3473
02:09:05,400 --> 02:09:07,120
and property owners, but we don't have

3474
02:09:07,120 --> 02:09:09,320
anybody there to manage to see if it's

3475
02:09:09,320 --> 02:09:12,080
actually being used only by residents

3476
02:09:12,080 --> 02:09:13,760
and property owners. I know we've had

3477
02:09:13,760 --> 02:09:15,880
issued some citations in the past cuz

3478
02:09:15,880 --> 02:09:18,920
occasionally you'll see a vehicle with a

3479
02:09:18,920 --> 02:09:21,080
logo on it or something like that where

3480
02:09:21,080 --> 02:09:23,640
you know it's not a property owner.

3481
02:09:23,640 --> 02:09:26,520
Um and so what the we were discussing

3482
02:09:26,520 --> 02:09:30,040
this in senior staff is I

3483
02:09:30,040 --> 02:09:32,480
far end the real extreme is do we just

3484
02:09:32,480 --> 02:09:33,760
get rid of this thing altogether? If

3485
02:09:33,760 --> 02:09:35,680
it's going to continue to be abused and

3486
02:09:35,680 --> 02:09:37,800
people it's a convenience, you just got

3487
02:09:37,800 --> 02:09:39,440
to go up to Bees Ferry.

3488
02:09:39,440 --> 02:09:42,400
Or alternatively, do you fence it? Do

3489
02:09:42,400 --> 02:09:44,640
you put hours? Bees Ferry

3490
02:09:44,640 --> 02:09:47,160
No, it does have hours. It's like think

3491
02:09:47,160 --> 02:09:49,240
7:00 to 4:00 or something like that

3492
02:09:49,240 --> 02:09:52,200
Monday through Friday uh and then it's

3493
02:09:52,200 --> 02:09:53,920
Saturday I think it's 8:00 to 3:00 not

3494
02:09:53,920 --> 02:09:56,440
open on Sunday, but it does have limited

3495
02:09:56,440 --> 02:09:59,480
hours. And whether we have fenced this

3496
02:09:59,480 --> 02:10:01,840
and have limited hours or you know, what

3497
02:10:01,840 --> 02:10:03,120
else? There are just we're we're

3498
02:10:03,120 --> 02:10:05,680
struggling a little bit to try to figure

3499
02:10:05,680 --> 02:10:07,560
out how best to proceed.

3500
02:10:07,560 --> 02:10:09,880
>> That's So, another point you you

3501
02:10:09,880 --> 02:10:11,880
mentioned the word convenience and I I

3502
02:10:11,880 --> 02:10:14,400
wanted to bring that up, too. The the

3503
02:10:14,400 --> 02:10:16,840
intention of this site historically has

3504
02:10:16,840 --> 02:10:20,240
been a convenience site for residents.

3505
02:10:20,240 --> 02:10:21,080
Um

3506
02:10:21,080 --> 02:10:23,280
and that's going to be, you know, when

3507
02:10:23,280 --> 02:10:25,720
you get an oversized box you to deliver

3508
02:10:25,720 --> 02:10:27,280
to your house and it can't fit in your

3509
02:10:27,280 --> 02:10:28,560
residential container, you're going to

3510
02:10:28,560 --> 02:10:32,720
take it over there. Um maybe you had uh

3511
02:10:32,720 --> 02:10:34,680
an event at your house, a lot of guests

3512
02:10:34,680 --> 02:10:35,520
that

3513
02:10:35,520 --> 02:10:37,040
produced a lot of trash, you can take

3514
02:10:37,040 --> 02:10:39,960
the excess trash over um to the site.

3515
02:10:39,960 --> 02:10:41,840
But, what we're seeing is this is

3516
02:10:41,840 --> 02:10:44,160
becoming much more than a convenience

3517
02:10:44,160 --> 02:10:47,160
site for for residents. A lot of

3518
02:10:47,160 --> 02:10:51,040
residents that that we can we can uh

3519
02:10:51,040 --> 02:10:53,240
kind of observe or using it as a more of

3520
02:10:53,240 --> 02:10:56,840
a primary site. Um which which again is

3521
02:10:56,840 --> 02:10:58,520
not the intention for it. It's not built

3522
02:10:58,520 --> 02:11:00,840
out for it um the way it's constructed

3523
02:11:00,840 --> 02:11:03,800
right now. So, we we we really think

3524
02:11:03,800 --> 02:11:05,760
that there's something that we can do

3525
02:11:05,760 --> 02:11:09,600
further that can mitigate the issues of

3526
02:11:09,600 --> 02:11:11,640
the trash piling up there we're saying.

3527
02:11:11,640 --> 02:11:12,800
>> You know, you and [clears throat] I have

3528
02:11:12,800 --> 02:11:17,440
talked about this quite a bit. Um but I you know, I

3529
02:11:17,440 --> 02:11:20,720
hate to drive expense. I do think if the

3530
02:11:20,720 --> 02:11:22,760
abusable area

3531
02:11:22,760 --> 02:11:25,040
is more constrained by putting up

3532
02:11:25,040 --> 02:11:27,120
fencing or something,

3533
02:11:27,120 --> 02:11:29,080
that potentially will be a trigger in

3534
02:11:29,080 --> 02:11:31,120
somebody's head of oh, I can't fit

3535
02:11:31,120 --> 02:11:32,720
inside the enclosure, maybe they're less

3536
02:11:32,720 --> 02:11:34,480
likely to throw it outside the enclosure

3537
02:11:34,480 --> 02:11:35,440
or

3538
02:11:35,440 --> 02:11:37,440
maybe they do that, too. I don't know.

3539
02:11:37,440 --> 02:11:40,440
Another thing we've talked about is um

3540
02:11:40,440 --> 02:11:41,840
housekeeping crews, especially on

3541
02:11:41,840 --> 02:11:44,200
Saturdays, potentially abusing it. Maybe

3542
02:11:44,200 --> 02:11:45,480
it's closed on Saturday. They're

3543
02:11:45,480 --> 02:11:47,320
supposed to take the stuff to B Sphery,

3544
02:11:47,320 --> 02:11:49,720
but maybe they all aren't.

3545
02:11:49,720 --> 02:11:51,800
Maybe it closes at 4:00 every day like

3546
02:11:51,800 --> 02:11:53,040
we talked about. That's you know, same

3547
02:11:53,040 --> 02:11:55,800
time that you know, the staff takes off.

3548
02:11:55,800 --> 02:11:57,280
And you know, construction crews are

3549
02:11:57,280 --> 02:11:59,240
leaving leaving between 5:00 and 7:00,

3550
02:11:59,240 --> 02:12:01,520
it's no longer available for them.

3551
02:12:01,520 --> 02:12:02,971
I mean, they may go, too, but

3552
02:12:02,971 --> 02:12:04,160
[clears throat] that means leaving their

3553
02:12:04,160 --> 02:12:05,040
site.

3554
02:12:05,040 --> 02:12:07,760
>> Yeah, and so so with that with that

3555
02:12:07,760 --> 02:12:10,600
thought process in mind, then that

3556
02:12:10,600 --> 02:12:13,120
definitely lends itself to having an an

3557
02:12:13,120 --> 02:12:15,640
enclosure with hours on it. Um

3558
02:12:15,640 --> 02:12:17,400
>> I I think of it like an amenity, to be

3559
02:12:17,400 --> 02:12:19,080
honest, right now. I mean it's not a

3560
02:12:19,080 --> 02:12:21,000
need to do but it's a nice to do. It's

3561
02:12:21,000 --> 02:12:24,440
nice not to drive to these ferry.

3562
02:12:24,440 --> 02:12:26,800
Hate to punish the good behaving people

3563
02:12:26,800 --> 02:12:28,720
for the bad behaving people. Maybe we

3564
02:12:28,720 --> 02:12:30,240
can

3565
02:12:30,240 --> 02:12:32,320
remove some of the bad behavior. It's

3566
02:12:32,320 --> 02:12:34,080
still achievable. I don't know. I mean

3567
02:12:34,080 --> 02:12:36,480
I'm just thinking out loud.

3568
02:12:36,480 --> 02:12:38,680
Yeah, it's a good point

3569
02:12:38,680 --> 02:12:43,360
that brings it down to enforcement

3570
02:12:43,360 --> 02:12:46,040
which we we currently don't really have

3571
02:12:46,040 --> 02:12:48,360
the resources to to fully enforce that

3572
02:12:48,360 --> 02:12:51,160
or at least not in in its full effect.

3573
02:12:51,160 --> 02:12:54,520
We've got myself and Mike that can

3574
02:12:54,520 --> 02:12:55,960
go over there and we have kind of

3575
02:12:55,960 --> 02:12:58,160
routinely been going over there but it

3576
02:12:58,160 --> 02:13:00,240
takes sitting over there for however

3577
02:13:00,240 --> 02:13:03,040
many hours to maybe catch somebody and

3578
02:13:03,040 --> 02:13:05,240
then you know we can go back and and

3579
02:13:05,240 --> 02:13:06,920
check the cameras and the cameras do

3580
02:13:06,920 --> 02:13:09,400
help a lot but they're not 100%

3581
02:13:09,400 --> 02:13:10,800
definitely not the best use of your time

3582
02:13:10,800 --> 02:13:12,400
and you know how many times you and I

3583
02:13:12,400 --> 02:13:13,400
end up on the phone that you're coming

3584
02:13:13,400 --> 02:13:14,366
back from there.

3585
02:13:14,366 --> 02:13:15,040
>> [laughter]

3586
02:13:15,040 --> 02:13:16,360
>> Yeah,

3587
02:13:16,360 --> 02:13:19,520
so you know again the we have a couple

3588
02:13:19,520 --> 02:13:21,800
of options and and just wanted to bring

3589
02:13:21,800 --> 02:13:26,680
this back up since it has been a pretty constant issue

3590
02:13:26,680 --> 02:13:29,120
over the last last few months and really

3591
02:13:29,120 --> 02:13:31,200
for a long time but but pretty regularly

3592
02:13:31,200 --> 02:13:33,040
over the last few months.

3593
02:13:33,040 --> 02:13:34,840
So again just wanted to make sure that

3594
02:13:34,840 --> 02:13:37,240
the council was aware of the issues that

3595
02:13:37,240 --> 02:13:38,520
we're having over there what we've been

3596
02:13:38,520 --> 02:13:40,560
dealing with pretty regularly and and

3597
02:13:40,560 --> 02:13:43,600
seeing what what the appetite is to to

3598
02:13:43,600 --> 02:13:46,440
do something else over at that site.

3599
02:13:46,440 --> 02:13:47,560
Yeah,

3600
02:13:47,560 --> 02:13:49,360
I I appreciate the the work and the

3601
02:13:49,360 --> 02:13:51,280
opinion of about you know trying to keep

3602
02:13:51,280 --> 02:13:53,360
it open and it being an amenity. I think

3603
02:13:53,360 --> 02:13:56,320
that's a it's a great amenity. I use it

3604
02:13:56,320 --> 02:13:58,000
three times a year.

3605
02:13:58,000 --> 02:13:59,920
You know, but and I have driven to Beals

3606
02:13:59,920 --> 02:14:01,600
Ferry

3607
02:14:01,600 --> 02:14:03,160
and I can guess where the abuse is

3608
02:14:03,160 --> 02:14:05,280
coming from.

3609
02:14:05,280 --> 02:14:07,120
It might if there's a way we could

3610
02:14:07,120 --> 02:14:09,200
figure out like take two weeks and go

3611
02:14:09,200 --> 02:14:11,360
over every at the end of every day

3612
02:14:11,360 --> 02:14:12,800
and see whether it's Monday through

3613
02:14:12,800 --> 02:14:15,280
Friday or Saturday problem.

3614
02:14:15,280 --> 02:14:17,360
Um and I think there's probably way we

3615
02:14:17,360 --> 02:14:19,760
could use technology to help us.

3616
02:14:19,760 --> 02:14:22,000
Uh I would like to work to see us keep

3617
02:14:22,000 --> 02:14:23,280
it.

3618
02:14:23,280 --> 02:14:25,120
But if we have to regulate it, if people

3619
02:14:25,120 --> 02:14:26,400
have to punch a code to get through a

3620
02:14:26,400 --> 02:14:29,000
gate, if they have to scan an ID,

3621
02:14:29,000 --> 02:14:31,000
if they have to somehow call town hall

3622
02:14:31,000 --> 02:14:32,720
or push a button at

3623
02:14:32,720 --> 02:14:34,400
use video to get there.

3624
02:14:34,400 --> 02:14:36,160
Um so I'd ask you to be creative and try

3625
02:14:36,160 --> 02:14:39,000
and find a way to keep it, but I agree

3626
02:14:39,000 --> 02:14:42,560
it's in its current usage manner, it's

3627
02:14:42,560 --> 02:14:44,640
not acceptable. So, thank you.

3628
02:14:44,640 --> 02:14:46,480
>> Yeah, yes, sir. Not a problem at all.

3629
02:14:46,480 --> 02:14:49,000
And I I appreciate those ideas, too. I

3630
02:14:49,000 --> 02:14:52,760
think they're really good ideas. Um and I do think that there is a way for

3631
02:14:52,760 --> 02:14:55,640
us to be able to regulate it a little

3632
02:14:55,640 --> 02:14:57,280
bit better, whether it be some sort of

3633
02:14:57,280 --> 02:15:00,000
push button system or

3634
02:15:00,000 --> 02:15:01,800
the residents, you know, they already

3635
02:15:01,800 --> 02:15:03,200
have their barcode, you know, something

3636
02:15:03,200 --> 02:15:05,160
kind of like that that that can be

3637
02:15:05,160 --> 02:15:06,760
scanned just to make sure that

3638
02:15:06,760 --> 02:15:08,600
>> Not contractor barcodes, either.

3639
02:15:08,600 --> 02:15:10,040
>> Not contractor barcodes.

3640
02:15:10,040 --> 02:15:13,360
>> So, the the the the thought is kind of

3641
02:15:13,360 --> 02:15:15,600
at this point in time is

3642
02:15:15,600 --> 02:15:18,360
do a little bit more a little bit better

3643
02:15:18,360 --> 02:15:20,560
job of kind of monitoring enforcement.

3644
02:15:20,560 --> 02:15:22,600
We'll actually kind of have the CSOs

3645
02:15:22,600 --> 02:15:25,760
also go by occasionally. In addition, I

3646
02:15:25,760 --> 02:15:27,920
know Brian and Michael do.

3647
02:15:27,920 --> 02:15:30,080
Um put out some additional communication

3648
02:15:30,080 --> 02:15:33,440
following up on, you know, this uh

3649
02:15:33,440 --> 02:15:35,360
council meeting and you know, let there

3650
02:15:35,360 --> 02:15:37,280
is a risk that, you know, at the end of

3651
02:15:37,280 --> 02:15:41,360
this facility could be removed. But if

3652
02:15:41,360 --> 02:15:45,480
we can't get better behavior, then we

3653
02:15:45,480 --> 02:15:48,360
may well want to consider fencing in and

3654
02:15:48,360 --> 02:15:50,720
closing the structure and putting hours

3655
02:15:50,720 --> 02:15:52,440
on it. There will be some cost

3656
02:15:52,440 --> 02:15:53,720
associated with that, obviously. Not a

3657
02:15:53,720 --> 02:15:55,080
huge amount, but there would be some

3658
02:15:55,080 --> 02:15:57,200
cost associated with that.

3659
02:15:57,200 --> 02:15:58,080
>> Hello.

3660
02:15:58,080 --> 02:15:59,080
My opinion?

3661
02:15:59,080 --> 02:15:59,920
>> Yeah.

3662
02:15:59,920 --> 02:16:01,400
Yes.

3663
02:16:01,400 --> 02:16:02,600
>> Um

3664
02:16:02,600 --> 02:16:04,480
I think uh

3665
02:16:04,480 --> 02:16:06,200
we've got to find

3666
02:16:06,200 --> 02:16:09,400
a way to um

3667
02:16:09,400 --> 02:16:12,040
to improve the situation because I would

3668
02:16:12,040 --> 02:16:14,600
be strongly opposed to closing that

3669
02:16:14,600 --> 02:16:17,360
site. The unintended consequences of

3670
02:16:17,360 --> 02:16:20,480
where everybody's trash and recyclables

3671
02:16:20,480 --> 02:16:21,840
would go

3672
02:16:21,840 --> 02:16:23,720
um in the absence of having Kestrel

3673
02:16:23,720 --> 02:16:27,000
Court are just a nightmare. So, we'll

3674
02:16:27,000 --> 02:16:28,920
have to find some other kind of solution

3675
02:16:28,920 --> 02:16:31,600
cuz closing it down is unacceptable.

3676
02:16:31,600 --> 02:16:32,719
>> I guess that's a good point. I'll be

3677
02:16:32,719 --> 02:16:34,280
picking up more trash and I said my

3678
02:16:34,280 --> 02:16:35,454
early comments.

3679
02:16:35,454 --> 02:16:37,870
>> [laughter]

3680
02:16:37,880 --> 02:16:39,160
» And [clears throat] one thing I'd just

3681
02:16:39,160 --> 02:16:42,320
add, if we want to do a fence or any type of

3682
02:16:42,320 --> 02:16:43,719
improvements, we probably have to look

3683
02:16:43,719 --> 02:16:45,800
at believe we still have a lease cuz

3684
02:16:45,800 --> 02:16:48,120
we're leasing that site. We don't own

3685
02:16:48,120 --> 02:16:50,200
it. We're leasing it from um Keo Island

3686
02:16:50,200 --> 02:16:51,360
Utility.

3687
02:16:51,360 --> 02:16:52,960
So, if we want to do any additional

3688
02:16:52,960 --> 02:16:54,760
improvements to it, we just have to

3689
02:16:54,760 --> 02:16:56,040
probably submit something to them for

3690
02:16:56,040 --> 02:16:57,519
their approval. I wasn't sure if the

3691
02:16:57,519 --> 02:16:58,920
other council members were aware that we

3692
02:16:58,920 --> 02:16:59,880
are

3693
02:16:59,880 --> 02:17:01,719
>> We'd also have to get a permit from the

3694
02:17:01,719 --> 02:17:03,880
ARB cuz it's a fence.

3695
02:17:03,880 --> 02:17:05,160
>> Yes, correct.

3696
02:17:05,160 --> 02:17:06,840
>> And and and and and if it remains like

3697
02:17:06,840 --> 02:17:08,160
that then the

3698
02:17:08,160 --> 02:17:12,160
facility ends up just going away. That's the easiest way to solve that.

3699
02:17:12,160 --> 02:17:13,719
Notwithstanding Council Member K is

3700
02:17:13,719 --> 02:17:15,840
desired that it remain there. We'd like

3701
02:17:15,840 --> 02:17:17,440
to have it remain there as a

3702
02:17:17,440 --> 02:17:18,760
convenience. We just hope that there

3703
02:17:18,760 --> 02:17:20,639
will be better behavior and it will be

3704
02:17:20,639 --> 02:17:23,519
used solely by

3705
02:17:23,519 --> 02:17:26,240
residents and property owners,

3706
02:17:26,240 --> 02:17:27,880
not for commercial purposes.

3707
02:17:27,880 --> 02:17:30,280
>> I I know that we've got the signs that

3708
02:17:30,280 --> 02:17:31,480
talk about you know, here's what's

3709
02:17:31,480 --> 02:17:33,200
acceptable recycling, here's what's

3710
02:17:33,200 --> 02:17:35,120
acceptable trash.

3711
02:17:35,120 --> 02:17:36,719
We really don't have anything talking

3712
02:17:36,719 --> 02:17:39,760
about conduct and and use of the site

3713
02:17:39,760 --> 02:17:40,960
that I recall.

3714
02:17:40,960 --> 02:17:44,480
>> So, there there is there is a a big sign

3715
02:17:44,480 --> 02:17:46,160
that's um

3716
02:17:46,160 --> 02:17:47,800
posted really in the only place that it

3717
02:17:47,800 --> 02:17:49,960
can be posted off to the side of the

3718
02:17:49,960 --> 02:17:52,519
recycling dumpster. Um you you really

3719
02:17:52,519 --> 02:17:58,240
can't miss it. It's a big 4x4 sign that lists the um

3720
02:17:58,240 --> 02:18:00,280
the intent the intended use of the site.

3721
02:18:00,280 --> 02:18:03,760
It has a list of prohibited items. Um it

3722
02:18:03,760 --> 02:18:05,960
lists that contractors are prohibited

3723
02:18:05,960 --> 02:18:07,719
from utilizing the site.

3724
02:18:07,719 --> 02:18:09,320
>> Yeah, but all that's in a

3725
02:18:09,320 --> 02:18:11,960
number four font, also.

3726
02:18:11,960 --> 02:18:13,599
It's small print.

3727
02:18:13,599 --> 02:18:15,670
>> I'll I'll get a big sign.

3728
02:18:15,670 --> 02:18:16,160
>> [laughter]

3729
02:18:16,160 --> 02:18:18,800
>> Um we didn't want it to be, you know,

3730
02:18:18,800 --> 02:18:20,719
offensively big, but you know, just

3731
02:18:20,719 --> 02:18:25,440
something that you you really can see the sign whichever way you pull into

3732
02:18:25,440 --> 02:18:28,240
that site. And it it does list what's

3733
02:18:28,240 --> 02:18:31,920
allowed, what's not allowed. Um the

3734
02:18:31,920 --> 02:18:33,800
it it lists the different options that

3735
02:18:33,800 --> 02:18:35,599
if if this is full or if these aren't

3736
02:18:35,599 --> 02:18:39,120
working, please take it to um town hall.

3737
02:18:39,120 --> 02:18:41,080
It says Beach Walker Center still, so we

3738
02:18:41,080 --> 02:18:43,080
need to update that, but it it tells you

3739
02:18:43,080 --> 02:18:44,440
to bring it here.

3740
02:18:44,440 --> 02:18:49,440
Um so so there's nothing about what's posted there that suggests that

3741
02:18:49,440 --> 02:18:51,360
it's appropriate to leave anything on

3742
02:18:51,360 --> 02:18:53,120
the ground. Um

3743
02:18:53,120 --> 02:18:55,000
in fact, it we we give alternatives

3744
02:18:55,000 --> 02:18:58,120
again to to where you can take trash. So

3745
02:18:58,120 --> 02:18:58,920
um

3746
02:18:58,920 --> 02:19:00,679
>> I put a new sign says if you abuse this

3747
02:19:00,679 --> 02:19:03,400
site, it's going away.

3748
02:19:03,400 --> 02:19:06,920
>> So, we might also want to have a sign in

3749
02:19:06,920 --> 02:19:09,280
Spanish.

3750
02:19:09,280 --> 02:19:10,360
>> Oh.

3751
02:19:10,360 --> 02:19:12,800
No, I'm I'm serious. It says to

3752
02:19:12,800 --> 02:19:13,880
contractors,

3753
02:19:13,880 --> 02:19:14,400
>> Yeah.

3754
02:19:14,400 --> 02:19:15,559
>> you know, this is not a site for

3755
02:19:15,559 --> 02:19:17,880
contractors.

3756
02:19:17,880 --> 02:19:20,360
So that there's, you know,

3757
02:19:20,360 --> 02:19:22,519
>> And I think we can I mean, that's a good

3758
02:19:22,519 --> 02:19:24,080
point. And Brian, we can probably work

3759
02:19:24,080 --> 02:19:26,400
with communications because on our sign,

3760
02:19:26,400 --> 02:19:29,040
if we have too much text, could be maybe

3761
02:19:29,040 --> 02:19:31,400
that we have a QR code or something

3762
02:19:31,400 --> 02:19:33,280
that will have more have the important

3763
02:19:33,280 --> 02:19:34,920
stuff on there, but then have a QR code

3764
02:19:34,920 --> 02:19:35,960
for more information. We can figure

3765
02:19:35,960 --> 02:19:36,760
something out.

3766
02:19:36,760 --> 02:19:38,240
>> So we don't need to labor this. We we've

3767
02:19:38,240 --> 02:19:40,000
got citizen comments coming up in just a

3768
02:19:40,000 --> 02:19:44,840
minute, Larry. Um we'll we'll continue to monitor a little bit

3769
02:19:44,840 --> 02:19:46,440
better enforcement. We'll revisit

3770
02:19:46,440 --> 02:19:48,440
signage. We'll put out some additional

3771
02:19:48,440 --> 02:19:50,600
communications, and then we'll monitor

3772
02:19:50,600 --> 02:19:52,200
over the next uh

3773
02:19:52,200 --> 02:19:54,520
quarter or so, and then figure out if we

3774
02:19:54,520 --> 02:19:55,680
need to do something more.

3775
02:19:55,680 --> 02:19:57,720
>> Mayor, before I before you go, Brian,

3776
02:19:57,720 --> 02:19:59,280
did you want to bring up we talked about

3777
02:19:59,280 --> 02:20:00,720
Seabrook? Was there anything about town

3778
02:20:00,720 --> 02:20:03,000
hall or you didn't have any comments on

3779
02:20:03,000 --> 02:20:03,080
the

3780
02:20:03,080 --> 02:20:04,280
>> Um

3781
02:20:04,280 --> 02:20:07,040
nothing super substantive. We've seen

3782
02:20:07,040 --> 02:20:09,080
some of the same issues over here. Um

3783
02:20:09,080 --> 02:20:11,160
but I think that that's because

3784
02:20:11,160 --> 02:20:11,760
>> being left.

3785
02:20:11,760 --> 02:20:13,720
>> Like a boat being left. Um

3786
02:20:13,720 --> 02:20:15,480
>> I mean, this is another This is one

3787
02:20:15,480 --> 02:20:17,000
where it's difficult cuz you want to be

3788
02:20:17,000 --> 02:20:18,880
a good neighbor, but on the other hand,

3789
02:20:18,880 --> 02:20:20,960
this is a facility in the town of Kiawah

3790
02:20:20,960 --> 02:20:22,120
Island. It's supposed to be for Kiawah

3791
02:20:22,120 --> 02:20:24,520
Island residents and property owners.

3792
02:20:24,520 --> 02:20:27,360
And what I do see is a lot of cars

3793
02:20:27,360 --> 02:20:28,760
coming in dumping trash and when they

3794
02:20:28,760 --> 02:20:31,200
leave out of here, they take a right.

3795
02:20:31,200 --> 02:20:34,400
So, it's being utilized by Johns Island

3796
02:20:34,400 --> 02:20:36,280
where they're incorporated Charleston

3797
02:20:36,280 --> 02:20:39,200
County. Their facility is supposed to be

3798
02:20:39,200 --> 02:20:42,760
the county's facility at Bees Ferry.

3799
02:20:42,760 --> 02:20:45,640
>> Yeah, this This we could fence and

3800
02:20:45,640 --> 02:20:47,280
>> That might be another solution.

3801
02:20:47,280 --> 02:20:50,240
>> Um uh so, thank you very much, Brian. Uh

3802
02:20:50,240 --> 02:20:52,520
a good discussion. Um now, uh citizen

3803
02:20:52,520 --> 02:20:54,560
comments on any agenda items. We moved

3804
02:20:54,560 --> 02:20:56,280
that up because we do have an executive

3805
02:20:56,280 --> 02:20:58,200
session on the agenda and we want to

3806
02:20:58,200 --> 02:21:00,160
allow citizen comments

3807
02:21:00,160 --> 02:21:02,000
uh before we go to that.

3808
02:21:02,000 --> 02:21:06,110
Phil.

3809
02:21:06,120 --> 02:21:07,920
» Town hall is not easy.

3810
02:21:07,920 --> 02:21:09,640
Um first, I want to apologize up front.

3811
02:21:09,640 --> 02:21:11,080
You are correct. It is open to the

3812
02:21:11,080 --> 02:21:12,920
public. Bees Ferry Landfill is open to

3813
02:21:12,920 --> 02:21:14,880
the public on Saturdays. The issue had

3814
02:21:14,880 --> 02:21:17,200
come up in the past where a lot of the

3815
02:21:17,200 --> 02:21:19,200
rental companies

3816
02:21:19,200 --> 02:21:20,760
they were taking the trash when they do

3817
02:21:20,760 --> 02:21:22,520
the changeover on Saturday and dumping

3818
02:21:22,520 --> 02:21:24,520
it at Kestrel Court because they

3819
02:21:24,520 --> 02:21:26,440
couldn't take it out to Bees Ferry. They

3820
02:21:26,440 --> 02:21:28,160
had no place to put it and I'm not sure

3821
02:21:28,160 --> 02:21:31,240
what they're doing about it. Um I, like

3822
02:21:31,240 --> 02:21:33,240
you, use it

3823
02:21:33,240 --> 02:21:35,320
not that many times a year, but most

3824
02:21:35,320 --> 02:21:37,520
recently when I went there,

3825
02:21:37,520 --> 02:21:40,320
the amount of cardboard was Every

3826
02:21:40,320 --> 02:21:41,960
dumpster was filled with cardboard. The

3827
02:21:41,960 --> 02:21:44,160
trash dumpster, the cardboard dumpster,

3828
02:21:44,160 --> 02:21:45,760
and the recycling dumpster. You couldn't

3829
02:21:45,760 --> 02:21:47,440
even get near them.

3830
02:21:47,440 --> 02:21:50,040
So, I brought my trash over here

3831
02:21:50,040 --> 02:21:51,168
and there was a

3832
02:21:51,168 --> 02:21:51,360
>> [snorts]

3833
02:21:51,360 --> 02:21:54,400
>> rigid inflatable boat on top of the next

3834
02:21:54,400 --> 02:21:56,400
to the dumpster out here. So there's

3835
02:21:56,400 --> 02:21:58,560
obviously people abusing it. I think

3836
02:21:58,560 --> 02:22:00,640
it's a personal need. I agree with Kay

3837
02:22:00,640 --> 02:22:01,720
that

3838
02:22:01,720 --> 02:22:03,680
Councilwoman Kay that it's something we

3839
02:22:03,680 --> 02:22:05,200
should have and we need to have. We just

3840
02:22:05,200 --> 02:22:07,120
have to figure out how to how to stop

3841
02:22:07,120 --> 02:22:09,360
this mess. Now when I did go over that

3842
02:22:09,360 --> 02:22:11,800
one day, I started glancing at the gar-

3843
02:22:11,800 --> 02:22:14,200
at the track I mean the cardboard.

3844
02:22:14,200 --> 02:22:15,960
Everybody's There were labels all over

3845
02:22:15,960 --> 02:22:16,800
them.

3846
02:22:16,800 --> 02:22:18,240
So if you want to do something about it,

3847
02:22:18,240 --> 02:22:20,240
you can look at the cardboard, look at

3848
02:22:20,240 --> 02:22:22,040
the names it was delivered and find out

3849
02:22:22,040 --> 02:22:25,120
where it came from. Thank you.

3850
02:22:25,120 --> 02:22:33,310
>> Thank you.

3851
02:22:33,320 --> 02:22:36,400
» Okay, Harry Wollahan 406 No Regret.

3852
02:22:36,400 --> 02:22:38,760
Just on the last subject,

3853
02:22:38,760 --> 02:22:40,280
from bitter experience things have got

3854
02:22:40,280 --> 02:22:42,440
worse since the closure of the

3855
02:22:42,440 --> 02:22:44,720
facility at Beach Walker.

3856
02:22:44,720 --> 02:22:47,240
My understanding is the Kika gave

3857
02:22:47,240 --> 02:22:49,160
significant notice to you about the

3858
02:22:49,160 --> 02:22:50,920
about that plan to to get rid of those

3859
02:22:50,920 --> 02:22:52,520
three dumpsters.

3860
02:22:52,520 --> 02:22:54,280
I just think it's a capacity issue over

3861
02:22:54,280 --> 02:22:55,760
there. Yes, there may be some

3862
02:22:55,760 --> 02:22:57,560
individuals or contractors who are

3863
02:22:57,560 --> 02:22:59,680
abusing the situation.

3864
02:22:59,680 --> 02:23:01,560
But I spent along with a another

3865
02:23:01,560 --> 02:23:03,880
resident about half an hour one very hot

3866
02:23:03,880 --> 02:23:06,000
Sunday afternoon recently trying to

3867
02:23:06,000 --> 02:23:08,280
get cardboard processed in there. The

3868
02:23:08,280 --> 02:23:12,480
compactor wasn't working properly and

3869
02:23:12,480 --> 02:23:14,840
I'm afraid I don't think it's a

3870
02:23:14,840 --> 02:23:16,680
an abuse by

3871
02:23:16,680 --> 02:23:18,960
less than 5% of the of our community.

3872
02:23:18,960 --> 02:23:20,560
But anyway,

3873
02:23:20,560 --> 02:23:23,120
Unfortunately, not too many questions of

3874
02:23:23,120 --> 02:23:25,080
mine on the um

3875
02:23:25,080 --> 02:23:27,000
on the convention conservation thing

3876
02:23:27,000 --> 02:23:28,960
were answered, but I'll pass on.

3877
02:23:28,960 --> 02:23:30,160
We're still talking about traffic

3878
02:23:30,160 --> 02:23:32,280
management. I mean, we all must bear in

3879
02:23:32,280 --> 02:23:34,480
mind that we still have 700 development

3880
02:23:34,480 --> 02:23:36,800
units possibly being built on the

3881
02:23:36,800 --> 02:23:41,600
island. So yes, if we improve or we

3882
02:23:41,600 --> 02:23:44,480
improve Betsy Kerrison Highway and stop

3883
02:23:44,480 --> 02:23:46,040
development on the highway, we've still

3884
02:23:46,040 --> 02:23:47,520
got an awful lot of development to go on

3885
02:23:47,520 --> 02:23:53,360
the island. So, let's not um

3886
02:23:53,360 --> 02:23:55,440
lose that fact.

3887
02:23:55,440 --> 02:23:57,600
A comment here, I'll I'll say

3888
02:23:57,600 --> 02:23:59,120
because of my European background, some

3889
02:23:59,120 --> 02:24:01,280
Americans think I'm sort of socialist in

3890
02:24:01,280 --> 02:24:03,760
leaning cuz the Europeans generally be

3891
02:24:03,760 --> 02:24:06,800
more socialist in politics, but

3892
02:24:06,800 --> 02:24:09,240
or their outlook, I will just point out

3893
02:24:09,240 --> 02:24:12,720
that basically, my estimation is a third

3894
02:24:12,720 --> 02:24:16,000
of the property taxes from my zip code,

3895
02:24:16,000 --> 02:24:17,960
which includes a large area,

3896
02:24:17,960 --> 02:24:21,040
comes from this small island.

3897
02:24:21,040 --> 02:24:23,120
Uh we make substantial donations to the

3898
02:24:23,120 --> 02:24:24,720
island.

3899
02:24:24,720 --> 02:24:26,080
Uh we're

3900
02:24:26,080 --> 02:24:28,600
putting money into Captain Sam's. I see

3901
02:24:28,600 --> 02:24:31,520
no I see Seabrook benefit more visually

3902
02:24:31,520 --> 02:24:33,520
from Captain Sam's not being developed

3903
02:24:33,520 --> 02:24:34,880
than we do.

3904
02:24:34,880 --> 02:24:37,080
Yet, they're not contributing.

3905
02:24:37,080 --> 02:24:39,040
I

3906
02:24:39,040 --> 02:24:41,760
just get the feeling that, you know, now

3907
02:24:41,760 --> 02:24:43,000
with this

3908
02:24:43,000 --> 02:24:45,280
conservation program,

3909
02:24:45,280 --> 02:24:46,760
yes, we don't have taxes, but our

3910
02:24:46,760 --> 02:24:49,000
residents end up paying,

3911
02:24:49,000 --> 02:24:51,280
you know, for

3912
02:24:51,280 --> 02:24:53,600
50 million we've got in reserves, which

3913
02:24:53,600 --> 02:24:55,200
the mayor has actually commented on the

3914
02:24:55,200 --> 02:24:57,600
last year we've never actually utilized.

3915
02:24:57,600 --> 02:25:00,200
Now, we're we'll utilize it for the

3916
02:25:00,200 --> 02:25:02,800
this program, but that's great.

3917
02:25:02,800 --> 02:25:03,560
But, you know,

3918
02:25:03,560 --> 02:25:06,000
>> That that that's actually not

3919
02:25:06,000 --> 02:25:08,320
>> I heard you say that in a meeting that

3920
02:25:08,320 --> 02:25:10,200
we didn't utilize reserves.

3921
02:25:10,200 --> 02:25:11,560
>> we do not

3922
02:25:11,560 --> 02:25:14,000
the town does not receive any property

3923
02:25:14,000 --> 02:25:14,680
taxes.

3924
02:25:14,680 --> 02:25:17,080
>> No, I No, no, I agree with that

3925
02:25:17,080 --> 02:25:21,040
but through the through the taxes that we

3926
02:25:21,040 --> 02:25:21,880
pay,

3927
02:25:21,880 --> 02:25:22,440
>> What what town

3928
02:25:22,440 --> 02:25:24,080
>> the local option tax.

3929
02:25:24,080 --> 02:25:27,000
>> Okay, that's so very very minor.

3930
02:25:27,000 --> 02:25:29,120
>> Uh okay, but it's everything but but

3931
02:25:29,120 --> 02:25:29,440
also

3932
02:25:29,440 --> 02:25:30,120
>> There is some, but

3933
02:25:30,120 --> 02:25:34,120
>> also the 3 million business licenses.

3934
02:25:34,120 --> 02:25:38,040
It hardly costs the town anything

3935
02:25:38,040 --> 02:25:39,720
in respect to those business licenses.

3936
02:25:39,720 --> 02:25:42,400
We pay for those business licenses.

3937
02:25:42,400 --> 02:25:44,160
We know the cost of construction on

3938
02:25:44,160 --> 02:25:47,520
Kiawah is 30% higher than elsewhere.

3939
02:25:47,520 --> 02:25:48,920
So,

3940
02:25:48,920 --> 02:25:50,600
I just get the feeling that because we

3941
02:25:50,600 --> 02:25:52,320
have so much money, we're getting a bit

3942
02:25:52,320 --> 02:25:56,720
sort of carried away. Anyway, that's I'll leave it there.

3943
02:25:56,720 --> 02:25:58,120
But, but bear in mind that

3944
02:25:58,120 --> 02:25:59,240
>> I hear you.

3945
02:25:59,240 --> 02:25:59,920
>> But,

3946
02:25:59,920 --> 02:26:01,440
well, also you'll be disappointed with

3947
02:26:01,440 --> 02:26:03,600
this comment. I've had three Sorry, an

3948
02:26:03,600 --> 02:26:06,160
hour to prepare for this this morning.

3949
02:26:06,160 --> 02:26:08,400
I understand LGIP.

3950
02:26:08,400 --> 02:26:10,520
They're short-term investments.

3951
02:26:10,520 --> 02:26:13,400
4% income. Actually, recently it's been

3952
02:26:13,400 --> 02:26:14,560
going down.

3953
02:26:14,560 --> 02:26:16,160
>> Unfortunately, recently it's been going

3954
02:26:16,160 --> 02:26:17,240
up, but uh but

3955
02:26:17,240 --> 02:26:18,920
>> 6 months Well, last 6 months it's

3956
02:26:18,920 --> 02:26:20,560
actually come down slightly. I just

3957
02:26:20,560 --> 02:26:21,880
looked.

3958
02:26:21,880 --> 02:26:24,920
So, I know I have no problem with with

3959
02:26:24,920 --> 02:26:27,680
fixed in what we can spend, but LGIP are

3960
02:26:27,680 --> 02:26:29,520
very short-term.

3961
02:26:29,520 --> 02:26:32,360
Uh expenditures are very long-term.

3962
02:26:32,360 --> 02:26:33,880
There's a mismatch there. We have

3963
02:26:33,880 --> 02:26:36,440
options.

3964
02:26:36,440 --> 02:26:37,800
Do you agree?

3965
02:26:37,800 --> 02:26:38,160
>> Um

3966
02:26:38,160 --> 02:26:39,480
>> And before you Okay.

3967
02:26:39,480 --> 02:26:40,600
>> Let's take this offline.

3968
02:26:40,600 --> 02:26:43,320
>> You think about that. But, also having

3969
02:26:43,320 --> 02:26:45,640
all your eggs in one basket,

3970
02:26:45,640 --> 02:26:48,200
to my mind, is not a good idea. I

3971
02:26:48,200 --> 02:26:49,640
wouldn't have all my investments with

3972
02:26:49,640 --> 02:26:51,800
one investment company.

3973
02:26:51,800 --> 02:26:53,000
But,

3974
02:26:53,000 --> 02:26:54,320
so

3975
02:26:54,320 --> 02:26:57,360
But, bear in mind LGIP is not guaranteed

3976
02:26:57,360 --> 02:26:58,880
by anyone. It's not guaranteed by the

3977
02:26:58,880 --> 02:27:00,000
state.

3978
02:27:00,000 --> 02:27:02,360
And also, I did a bit of research.

3979
02:27:02,360 --> 02:27:06,320
The audit company of the 38 billion fund

3980
02:27:06,320 --> 02:27:09,480
has less than 20 CPAs in the entire

3981
02:27:09,480 --> 02:27:10,640
firm.

3982
02:27:10,640 --> 02:27:14,480
The firm has about six disciplines

3983
02:27:14,480 --> 02:27:17,400
and eight service areas.

3984
02:27:17,400 --> 02:27:20,200
So, if I were you and you had I had 50

3985
02:27:20,200 --> 02:27:21,920
million invested with someone, even

3986
02:27:21,920 --> 02:27:24,240
though it's out of a 30

3987
02:27:24,240 --> 02:27:26,000
8 billion pot,

3988
02:27:26,000 --> 02:27:27,640
I'd be saying to them, "I want better

3989
02:27:27,640 --> 02:27:30,160
auditors." Cuz the state already had a

3990
02:27:30,160 --> 02:27:32,480
fraud {slash} error of considerable

3991
02:27:32,480 --> 02:27:34,320
millions years ago. But, anyway, I'll

3992
02:27:34,320 --> 02:27:36,120
have to move on quickly.

3993
02:27:36,120 --> 02:27:37,720
Um

3994
02:27:37,720 --> 02:27:41,240
Sorry. this is my opportunity.

3995
02:27:41,240 --> 02:27:43,600
Um Ways and Means had a hasn't had a

3996
02:27:43,600 --> 02:27:45,400
meeting for 2 months and probably won't

3997
02:27:45,400 --> 02:27:47,440
till till September. I don't think

3998
02:27:47,440 --> 02:27:49,520
that's a good idea.

3999
02:27:49,520 --> 02:27:50,800
Um

4000
02:27:50,800 --> 02:27:53,240
water pressure is a big issue.

4001
02:27:53,240 --> 02:27:55,560
Um it was mentioned at the last meeting.

4002
02:27:55,560 --> 02:27:57,120
What happens if we have a fire and the

4003
02:27:57,120 --> 02:28:00,160
hydrants don't have enough pressure?

4004
02:28:00,160 --> 02:28:02,040
Big problem.

4005
02:28:02,040 --> 02:28:04,520
Um Freshfields, I'm just been thinking

4006
02:28:04,520 --> 02:28:06,240
out of the box here. It's not the

4007
02:28:06,240 --> 02:28:07,680
residents' fault of the island

4008
02:28:07,680 --> 02:28:09,960
Freshfields or Harris Teeter's the state

4009
02:28:09,960 --> 02:28:12,400
in which it is. There's been no and I

4010
02:28:12,400 --> 02:28:14,760
accept Harris Teeter will not want to

4011
02:28:14,760 --> 02:28:16,160
invest in that property and haven't

4012
02:28:16,160 --> 02:28:18,120
probably done so for years.

4013
02:28:18,120 --> 02:28:19,760
The roof leaks, the air conditioning

4014
02:28:19,760 --> 02:28:22,760
goes on and off. It smells sometimes.

4015
02:28:22,760 --> 02:28:24,720
It's very

4016
02:28:24,720 --> 02:28:26,520
stale.

4017
02:28:26,520 --> 02:28:28,280
I don't know what we can do about that,

4018
02:28:28,280 --> 02:28:28,680
but

4019
02:28:28,680 --> 02:28:30,280
>> Are you suggesting the town buy out

4020
02:28:30,280 --> 02:28:30,960
Harris Teeter?

4021
02:28:30,960 --> 02:28:32,032
>> No, no, not at all.

4022
02:28:32,032 --> 02:28:32,640
>> [laughter]

4023
02:28:32,640 --> 02:28:34,680
>> Not not at not at all, but you you can

4024
02:28:34,680 --> 02:28:36,440
put pressure.

4025
02:28:36,440 --> 02:28:38,480
I mean, just from a health and safety

4026
02:28:38,480 --> 02:28:42,880
viewpoint, I don't know whether it's it's healthy. I mean, some of the

4027
02:28:42,880 --> 02:28:45,440
smells coming out of there. Anyway.

4028
02:28:45,440 --> 02:28:47,920
Uh I'll try to be quick and that's it.

4029
02:28:47,920 --> 02:28:49,960
I'm sure there are other things that

4030
02:28:49,960 --> 02:28:51,720
I'll think of later, but thank you.

4031
02:28:51,720 --> 02:28:53,280
>> Thank you, Larry.

4032
02:28:53,280 --> 02:28:56,000
>> As always. I I just a just a data point

4033
02:28:56,000 --> 02:28:57,200
that so

4034
02:28:57,200 --> 02:29:00,200
people are mindful of this.

4035
02:29:00,200 --> 02:29:03,600
The town generates an extraordinary

4036
02:29:03,600 --> 02:29:06,160
amount of property tax. Extraordinary

4037
02:29:06,160 --> 02:29:07,760
amount of property tax. More than

4038
02:29:07,760 --> 02:29:11,920
Sullivan's Island and uh Folly Beach

4039
02:29:11,920 --> 02:29:14,400
put together. No, more than IOP and

4040
02:29:14,400 --> 02:29:15,720
Sullivan's Island

4041
02:29:15,720 --> 02:29:18,080
put together.

4042
02:29:18,080 --> 02:29:19,320
$100 million

4043
02:29:19,320 --> 02:29:21,840
all goes to Charleston County.

4044
02:29:21,840 --> 02:29:26,080
Our total revenues are like 15 or 16

4045
02:29:26,080 --> 02:29:28,760
million dollars. Half of those almost

4046
02:29:28,760 --> 02:29:30,840
half of those are from accommodations

4047
02:29:30,840 --> 02:29:33,600
and hospitality taxes. We generate a lot

4048
02:29:33,600 --> 02:29:36,480
of taxes. We pay a lot of taxes. It goes

4049
02:29:36,480 --> 02:29:38,480
to Charleston County. We're having that

4050
02:29:38,480 --> 02:29:40,000
conversation or trying to have that

4051
02:29:40,000 --> 02:29:42,360
conversation about whether we're getting

4052
02:29:42,360 --> 02:29:44,960
appropriate value for the extraordinary

4053
02:29:44,960 --> 02:29:48,280
amount of property taxes we we all pay

4054
02:29:48,280 --> 02:29:50,280
to the county. But anyway, any other

4055
02:29:50,280 --> 02:29:52,160
citizen comments on

4056
02:29:52,160 --> 02:29:53,640
any matter?

4057
02:29:53,640 --> 02:29:55,520
Seeing

4058
02:29:55,520 --> 02:29:57,520
none, I'll entertain a motion to move

4059
02:29:57,520 --> 02:29:58,960
into an executive session. Going to

4060
02:29:58,960 --> 02:30:01,320
receive a legal advice to with regard to

4061
02:30:01,320 --> 02:30:03,480
two pending legal matters and then we

4062
02:30:03,480 --> 02:30:05,600
just have a very very minor personnel

4063
02:30:05,600 --> 02:30:07,440
matter that we've got to discuss in

4064
02:30:07,440 --> 02:30:08,520
executive session as well.

4065
02:30:08,520 --> 02:30:09,440
>> So moved.

4066
02:30:09,440 --> 02:30:10,200
>> Second.

4067
02:30:10,200 --> 02:30:11,640
>> All in favor.

4068
02:30:11,640 --> 02:30:12,000
>> Aye.

4069
02:30:12,000 --> 02:52:34,910
Thank you.

4070
02:52:34,920 --> 03:49:42,990
» Mhm.

4071
03:49:43,000 --> 03:49:45,640
» Entertain a motion to

4072
03:49:45,640 --> 03:49:47,560
leave executive search session and

4073
03:49:47,560 --> 03:49:49,640
return to regular order.

4074
03:49:49,640 --> 03:49:51,880
Second. All in favor.

4075
03:49:51,880 --> 03:49:57,320
I would entertain a motion with respect

4076
03:49:57,320 --> 03:50:00,360
to the personnel matter that we received

4077
03:50:00,360 --> 03:50:03,720
legal advice on in executive session.

4078
03:50:03,720 --> 03:50:05,120
>> Mr. Mayor, I

4079
03:50:05,120 --> 03:50:08,520
move that we suspend the PTO

4080
03:50:08,520 --> 03:50:10,040
requirements for the new hire we talked

4081
03:50:10,040 --> 03:50:11,760
about in the executive session.

4082
03:50:11,760 --> 03:50:12,920
>> Uh

4083
03:50:12,920 --> 03:50:13,920
Is there a second?

4084
03:50:13,920 --> 03:50:14,640
>> Second.

4085
03:50:14,640 --> 03:50:17,360
>> Uh any further discussion?

4086
03:50:17,360 --> 03:50:18,720
Uh hearing none, all in favor?

4087
03:50:18,720 --> 03:50:20,000
>> Aye.

4088
03:50:20,000 --> 03:50:21,280
>> Uh

4089
03:50:21,280 --> 03:50:23,520
we are at the end of our agenda. Are

4090
03:50:23,520 --> 03:50:26,600
there any final council member comments?

4091
03:50:26,600 --> 03:50:29,440
Uh seeing none, then we are at 4:50,

4092
03:50:29,440 --> 03:50:30,400
adjourned.

4093
03:50:30,400 --> 03:50:30,920
>> Thank you.

4094
03:50:30,920 --> 03:50:33,400
sir.