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Everyone, um, welcome to the January
12th, 2026

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Town of Kildo Hills Board of
Commissioners meeting. I call this

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meeting to order and invite everyone to
please stand and join me in the pledge

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of allegiance.

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I pledge algiance to the flag of the
United States of America and to the

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republic for which it stands. One nation
under God, indivisible, with liberty and

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justice for all.

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» Everyone is welcome to please join me in
a moment of silence.

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All right. Um,
good evening everyone. Um, our next item

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of business is our agenda. We have one
before us. Move to approve the agenda.

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» Second.
>> We have a motion, a second. Do we have

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any further discussion? Hearing none.
All in favor, please indicate by saying

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I.
>> I. I.

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» All right. We have an agenda. Next, we
have our first opportunity for public

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comment. This is an opportunity for
anyone in the audience to address the

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board on any topic of their choosing
that pertains to the town. We do that.

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We do ask when you are called upon,
approach the podium, speak into the

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microphone, and identify yourself by
name and address. Uh please keep

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comments to three minutes if you're
speaking as an individual or five

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minutes if you are speaking on behalf of
a group. And friendly reminder, there'll

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be another opportunity for public
comment toward the end of the meeting.

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And if anybody would like to
participate, the floor is open.

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All right.

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Evening. Uh my name is Chris Merrick.
I'm one of the owners of Ocean Atlantic

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Reynolds, which is located at 2001 South
Croin Highway in Kilovable Hills. Thanks

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for having me tonight. My first order of
business is to remind everybody about

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trash attack. And it's been a labor of
love for this town and and my friends

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for some years. And it's coming up in
April probably. We're going to have a

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meeting soon to talk about it. Um but I
I imagine it'll be April and it's always

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a great time. And I think it really is
awesome to get the beach in the area

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ready um from all the wind that's blown
all winter and get us set up for our

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visitors who are on their way. So, um,
look forward to that. Um, I just wanted

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to say thank you to the town and to the
staff for, um, working on an amendment

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to, um, define beach concierge setup
service. Um, and I I believe y'all will

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be discussing and voting maybe on that
tonight. And I just wanted to add my two

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cents worth since I am a uh equipment
rental guy uh on in Killable Hills and

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in a couple other towns here and I've
been through some ordinances on this

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topic with some other towns and have
some experience and I'm always available

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if I can help with that. But I want to
thank staff for making time to discuss

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it with me and uh and I understand it a
lot better and I really like what they

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modeled this program after uh this
ordinance. Um, one thing in there that,

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um, is concerning to me is is just, um,
if my equipment, which by the way is

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sometimes rented by people who walk into
my store and sometimes rented by people

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who want concier service and they do it
over the internet or they do it over the

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phone.
No one can tell the difference. It's the

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same beach chairs with my nice big
commercial logos on them. They're heavy

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duty oak products. many of you have seen
that most vendors here use and

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they're expensive and I I like to retain
them and the way the code is ending

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right now is talking about um things
that violate the code will be destroyed

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and I just I I really have a great vibe
and a great word from staff that they

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they believe in being neighborly and
they believe in u making a phone call or

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or giving us just a real reasonable time
to remove beach equipment and deal with

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our customer if they're the one in
violation or if we're the ones in

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violation getting our staff back on
board. Um but it's not written that way.

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So I'm just asking y'all to look at that
last page in that detail tonight. Um

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um the other thing that I wanted to
mention that is um exciting to me about

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this and and and this will be very quick
is is there was a lot of businesses that

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were doing this last summer in
particular and I love the

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entrepreneurial spirit. I have it. But
they were a couple guys with a pickup

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truck and some popup tents from the
corner store and they weren't they they

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were you know that's why this is
exciting is is they may not have had

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insurance. I don't know. I love people
going for it but I think this is going

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to help have quality on your beaches. Um
and and in that vein I would say this

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last thing. Sometimes there's chronic
violators of these rules. And I love

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that you have a a $500 um concierge fee
that real players are going to need to

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pay and I you know um have no problem
with that and I think it's necessary. Um

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but I think when you have chronic
violators who keep putting things in

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front of the lifeguards who keep doing
bad stuff and not responding to that

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courtesy phone call or that courtesy
ordinance uh violation, there needs to

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be some teeth. Maybe it's a hundred
bucks after the third ding or I don't

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know. Um, again, other towns have
figured it out way better than me. Um,

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but I just uh I would tell you that's
kind of something that comes down the

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pipe with this from my experience. So,
doors always open. You guys know where I

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where I work and live and uh thank you
for the time tonight and uh go trash

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attack. One last thing I just wanted to
ask if I could um present the mayor with

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one of our calendars for this year and
it's all beach setup stuff on the beach.

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So um we love doing it. Thank you.
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[clears throat]
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» All right.

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» Would anybody else like to speak at this
public comment period?

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All right. Um,
not seeing anyone. We'll move on to

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response to public comment. Um,
thank you very much, Chris, especially

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for the trash attack. Uh, you know, pep
rally. That was very, very nice. And I

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couldn't agree more. That is an event
we're really really proud of and it's

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coming up. I think uh the planning
meeting is in February,

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» February 10th. February 10th, 4 PM will
be in this room.

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» That is a very about efficiently run
meeting as you're gonna attend. We're

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going to be in and out quick. And uh
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» uh you and and Sandy Marklin do
everything Sandy touches is almost gold.

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She um can run complex and events and
organizations to a tea. So I'm looking

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forward to our event this year. Any
other response, public comments? All

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right. Hearing none, we'll move on to
ongoing business.

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» Yes, sir.
>> All right. New business item number one,

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annual comprehensive financial report
for fiscal year 2024,

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2025. Certificate of excellence in
financial reporting for fiscal year

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ending June 30th, 2024
and popular annual physical report

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manager.
>> Yes, sir. Call Angel.

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» All right, Angel.

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Good evening. So, we're gonna get our
auditor, Emily Mills, on the phone, and

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she's gonna first give her presentation.
>> Miss Mills, anytime you're ready.

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» Okay. Good evening. Can you hear me?
Okay.

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» Yes.
>> Yes.

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» Okay. My name is Emily Mills and I'm a
partner with DMJPS, formerly Pottering

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Company, and I'm pleased to be here
before you this evening to present the

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town's annual comprehensive financial
report for the fiscal year ended June

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30th, 2025.
Thank you for allowing our firm to

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perform this service for the town. I
want to commend the work of the finance

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staff. Angel, Sam, and the entire
finance team were helpful, professional,

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and wonderful to work with. On page nine
of your financial statements, you will

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find our independent auditor's report.
We have issued an unmodified opinion on

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the statements of the town of Kville
Hills as of June 30th, 2025.

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An unmodified report is the highest
level of assurance that we as

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independent auditors can issue and it
states that the financial statements

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present fairly in all material respect
the financial position of the town at

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June 30th 2025.
This is commonly referred to as a clean

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opinion.
In addition to the independent auditors

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report, we have also issued a report on
the town's compliance known as the

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yellow book report. This report is in
the compliance section of the financial

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statement starting on page 178.
This report deals with the town's

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compliance with government auditing
standards.

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We noted no findings that we consider to
be significant deficiencies or material

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weaknesses.
These financial statements were

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submitted to the LGC on December the
10th and the LGC reviewed the statements

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on December the 22nd. There is one item
that requires the town to submit a

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response to the LGC. This item is
concerning the benchmark ratio for water

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and sewer capital assets and this is
generated from the LGC's data input

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workbook. The town had to submit a
response on this same ratio in prior

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year's audits. The town's response
should be submitted to the LGC within 60

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days of today's presentation and should
be signed by a majority of the board,

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the manager, and the finance officer.
Example responses are available on the

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LGC's website.
The balance sheet information for the

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general fund can be found on page 32.
At the end of the year, the town's

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general fund had an unrestricted cash
balance of 23 million and a restricted

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cash balance of 9 million. The general
fund total fund balance was 35 million.

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Of this amount, 19 million was
unassigned for any specific purpose.

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The revenues and expenditures for the
general fund are summarized on page 34.

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The general fund reported 26 million in
revenues, 37 million in expenditures,

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and 11 million from other financing
sources. This resulted in an increase to

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fund balance of a little over 500,000.
And the statements for water and

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wastewater activities begin on page 38.
And these funds resulted in a combined

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increase of 1.7 million for the year.
Again, I'd like to thank the town for

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the opportunity to be of service and I
am happy to answer any questions.

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» Any questions from the board?

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» Looks great as always.
>> No, no, I'll quit order ahead. It sounds

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pretty good. So, um, thank you very much
and thank you Angel and team.

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» Very nice.
>> Thank you, Emily.

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» Thank you, Emiline. Have a good evening.
Thank you.

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» Thank you.
>> All right. So, I'm gonna just add a

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couple things to Emily's report. Uh,
first, I would like to present the

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town's 36th consecutive certificate of
achievement for excellence in financial

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reporting, and that's for our annual
comprehensive financial report for the

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fiscal year ended June 30th, 2024.
Uh, this [clears throat] is a document

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that truly takes the whole finance
department, but I want to specifically

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thank assistant finance officer Sam
Angelo and the accountant Scott Nickens

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for really putting this document
together.

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In addition, the town also received its
second conse consecutive award for

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outstanding achievement in popular
annual financial reporting. Again, this

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is for a fiscal year ending June 30th,
2024.

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And this is a document that we put
together just to be a userfriendly, much

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easier to read version of our financial
information. So with that, we will look

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at this year's popular annual financial
report. And for this one, I want to

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specifically recognize our customer
service representative, Selma Selena

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Dermatus. She really took a lot of time
to put this together. So I would

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encourage you all to look through the
whole thing. It's got both financial and

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non-financial information, but I am just
going to hit on the financial

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highlights, which really start on pages
seven and eight. And this is the

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document that looks like this. You guys
should have that.

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» Um, so if you look at page eight, that's
our townwide financial information. And

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here you can see how our net position
changed throughout the year. you will

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see our overall net position um was
beginning net position was restated as

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of the beginning of the year by about
1.2 million. This was due to a change in

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accounting principle. So while that
beginning number was not incorrect, it

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needed to be adjusted to make it
consistent with the financial reporting

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requirements that were released in 2025.
So that reduced that beginning net

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position by about 1.2 million. And then
during the year we had an overall net

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position increase of about 3.35 million.
And that's the amount that our revenues

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exceeded our expenses for the year for
both governmental and business type

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activities.
So then we'll take a look at the fund

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specific information. If you flip over
to page 10, we'll start with our general

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fund, which is where most of our
activity takes place. Revenues for the

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year were about 26.4 million. That's up
from about 25.9 million in 2024.

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I'll touch on the advalorum and the
other taxes and licenses on the next

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page, but here we'll just look at those
intergovernmental revenues. They did dip

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a little bit and that's just due to some
one-time grant funds that we received in

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2024 that we did not receive in 2025.
And then our other revenues, those were

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very steady from 24 to 25. That includes
our permits and fees, our sales and

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services, some investment income, and
then some other miscellaneous sources.

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Our expenditures on the year were almost
37 a.5 million. But we can look at that

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general government expenditure section
and you can see it looks like a huge

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increase there. That spike is due to
another new accounting standard where we

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have to recognize the full principal
amount of a lease in the year that that

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lease begins. So the fire station began
in 2025. We had to record the full 10.2

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million in that year. However, that will
be paid over 20 years. there's an other

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financing source to offset that entry.
So, it doesn't actually affect our fund

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balance. It just results in looking like
we had a huge spike in our expenses, but

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that's not actually a cash flow thing.
That's just um if you remove that 10.4

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or 10.2 million, the expenditures were
about the same from 2024 to 2025.

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» There was also a slight spike in our
transportation expenditures, and that's

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due to the Rightsville Boulevard project
that was ongoing in 2025.

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Public safety and public works both had
slight increases you would expect for

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increased personnel and inflationary
cost. Our environmental expenditures

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actually went down and that's due to
some garbage trucks that were purchased

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in 2024. We didn't have any garbage
truck purchases in 2025. And then our

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debt service, we saw a slight increase
there and that's mainly due to the first

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full year of the fire station lease
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On the next page, we'll take a look at
those tax revenues. The adalorum taxes

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increased about 2.5%.
The tax rate stayed the same at 35 1.5

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cent per $100 of valuation. So that 2.5%
increase is really due to continued

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development and growth within the town.
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about 4.9% mostly due to increased sales
taxes. Sales taxes went up about 7.9%.

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Occupancy was about the same with an
increase of only.1% and our land

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transfer tax increased about 1.4%.

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On the next page, we just another look
at those expenditures. This goes into a

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little bit more detail about that fire
station and lays out the expenses for

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the Ritzville Boulevard Street project.
Um, and then down at the bottom, you can

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see our capital outlay purchases for the
year, and that's mainly our machinery

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and equipment that was purchased.

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On the next page, we have our capital
projects for the year. We have a nice

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new walk over at the Haymon Street Beach
Access. About 69,000 of that came from

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grant funds with about 23,000 coming
from our capital reserve fund for a

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total project cost of about 92,000.
We had a new walkway or repairs on a

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walkway on Bay Drive for about 12,000.
The Writesville Boulevard project, we

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had paid about 4.2 million as of the end
of 2025

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and with about 4 million of that coming
in fiscal year 25. So that left about

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160,000 to be paid in fiscal year 2026.
And then there was a new sound system

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installed over at Aviation Park to be
used at the events that are hosted over

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there.
On the next page, you can see our fund

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balance. Fund balance in total bumped up
to about 35.2 million. That's up from

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about 34.7 million in 2024. About
230,000 of that is in non-spendable

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form, which is inventory and prepaid
items. About 15.2 is restricted. 6.8

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million of that is restricted by state
statute. about 48,000 restricted for

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public safety, about 30 330,000 for
streets, and about 8.1 million is in our

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capital reserve fund, which I'll touch
on on the next page. We had no money

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committed at the end of fiscal year
2025. We had about 78,000 that was

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assigned and that was the amount of fund
balance appropriated in our fiscal year

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2026 budget.
So that leaves about 19.7 in our

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unassigned fund balance. Our fund
balance policy requires that we keep 35%

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of the next year's expenditures in
unassigned fund balance. So that's about

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9.75 million and that leaves about 9.9
million to meet the ongoing needs of the

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town.

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On the next page, we have our capital
reserve funds. And this just shows the

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breakdown of that 8.1 million and how
it's distributed among the five purposes

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we have capital reserve funds set up
for. We have about 5.7 million for beach

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nourishment, about 400,000 for shoreline
access, about 266,000 for our wreck

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facilities, about 284 for our sidewalks,
and about 1.4 million for streets.

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And that wraps up our general fund. So,
I'll just briefly touch on our business

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type activities, which is our water and
wastewater funds. Those are pretty

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steady revenues and expenses from year
to year. In the water fund, the total

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operating revenues were about 6.1
million. That was up about 5% from the

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prior year, mostly due to the 4%
increase that we had in our water rates.

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And then operating expenses totaled just
over 5 billion. That was an increase of

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about 9.5% from the prior year. And
that's mainly due to personnel

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inflation. And we did have some
increases in our maintenance and repair

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costs. Wastewater. Um the operating
revenues totaled about 203,000 which is

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almost exactly the same as it was the
prior year. and expenses did see a small

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bump of to about 181,000. That's mainly
due to some increases we had in our

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maintenance and repair costs.
So, that is all that I wanted to

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highlight, but I'm happy to answer any
questions that you guys may have.

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» Great job.
>> Okay, this is awesome.

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» I like this. Yeah,
>> I know.

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» Very user friendly. [clears throat]
>> It is. Yes.

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said our customer service representative
worked a long time on this.

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» This would be good to present the COA
classes on this

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» financial obligations the town has to
have, right?

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» Understanding what municipal government
actually does, how the money spent

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» is much easier for if I could understand
it, I think the COA students would be

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just fine. So, uh,
>> thank you.

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» It's like the USA Today version.
[laughter]

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» And my dog's in there, too. So,
>> we were wondering whose dog that was.

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[laughter]
>> Perfect.

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Big great Dane trip.
>> Perfect. All right. Thank you guys.

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» Thank you.
>> Thank you team.

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» Nice.
>> All right. Moving on. New business item

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number two proposed amendment to chapter
96 seaside regulations. Add regulations

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for beach equipment setup and regulation
for beach concier services.

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Meredith or Cam. I'm not sure who's
going to take the lead.

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I'll start and Cameron can jump in when
he needs to. Um,

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we've received from the board um several
times uh about beach setups and where

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they're set up and how they're set up
and when they're set up. Um, we've been

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working with the ocean rescue um
with what they're seeing in real time

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out there and we also researched our
neighbor municipalities. Duck and Nagad

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both have um ordinances that that
directly go to the the concier services.

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So, this uh change to our seaside
regulations would define BC concier

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services. um several other definitions
that go along with that along with um

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regulations for the concier services. Um
they will require to be permitted here

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in town. They'll have to have a shy bond
which is insurance. Um they'll have um

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specific areas that they can set up
which is 30 feet from our access points.

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Um, and when I say access points, we're
talking the physical access points, not

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the whole 50 or 100 foot wide right of
way that the access is on, but where the

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people come out and where the vehicles
come out, depending what we got

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[clears throat] going on there. U, we
are limiting it to no more than two

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canopies within 10 feet of each other.
So you don't have five or six stretched

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out um in in big swaths of the beach.
Canopies can't be greater than 12 by 12.

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Can't be set up before 6:00 a.m. must be
removed by 8.

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Um it has to be anchored to prevent it
flying away. Um if it's not in use,

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everything has to be located under the
canopy or umbrella. Um this was intended

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to prevent the early morning
canopy with the chairs that stretch out

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10 or 12 feet on either side just to try
to secure some some space on the beach.

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Um, like I said, the concier services
will have to register with the town.

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They'll get a permit. The permit will be
$500. That's part of the fee schedule

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change that we're requesting. Um most of
the things I just said applied not only

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to the concier services but to um people
setting up personally. The no more than

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two uh more than 10 ft of uh
two 10 ft apart. Is that right? Yes. Um

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anchored um have to be removed at night.
Um all transactions for concier services

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have to happen off the beach. You cannot
do business on the beach. You can't just

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go set up an umbrella and chairs and
then sell it when someone shows up at

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the beach. Um we've had that happen a
lot in Kville Hills. Um it it was always

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illegal, but now it's written into the
ordinance. Um

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and there's violations. I think we give
um one of the things that Chris brought

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up was the violations for what you got?
>> Liability. I said they had to have

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liability insurance and they have to
have a shy bond for the um

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if there's violations they'll for being
registered or violations to the setups

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and takedowns they will be issued a
notice of violation and civil citation

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which is $50 a day and then $100 after
15 days. So So there are and then it's

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$500 after 30 days. So there are
remedies for people that are coming out

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that are not registered, that are not
setting up correctly and also it's two

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strikes and you lose your permit to have
a concier service on our beach. So not

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only will they monetarily they'll also
lose their permit if they're doing

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business without a permit. They're going
three times. um if they they working

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without a permit, they get an automatic
violation and that will be a civil

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citation. So, we will have some some
repercussions for the entrepreneur that

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didn't. We're also planning on trying to
do if the board adopts this uh education

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contacting the concier services that we
know about doing a video um and letting

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them know what the ordinances so that we
can get this information out before the

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season starts so that we can get people
registered and their permits issued so

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that we know who's going to be out
there. The lifeguards will know who's

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out there. Lifeguards are going to be
our monitors. planning department will

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be the ones that will issue any
violations, our code enforcement, but

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our lifeguards will be the monitors
letting us know what's happening on the

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beach so that we're not sending planning
department out there. Although I mean I

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I volunteer on really pretty days, but
um [clears throat] and that's that's

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essentially the removal of equipment
[clears throat] is not something new to

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the ordinance. It's it's been there. Um
it's always been there. It's been there

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for about six or seven years now. Our
lifeguards have a tag process where they

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tag equipment that they find in the
morning that's been there overnight

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giving a warning and if it's still there
the next morning it gets removed. If

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it's concierge service, what'll happen
is they'll report it to us. We'll call

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the concier service, let them know. And
if they say, "Well, we rented that to

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Miss Smith from our store." we're going
to say, "Well, you need to tell Miss

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Smith to pick it up or we're going to
take it tomorrow." So, there there

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that's always been a point of
communicating. Um, and the concier

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service will make it easier because
they'll be registered.

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So,

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that's really it. And other thing Chris
had talked about signage. Um, signage is

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something we we do want. Um, it's
helpful to identify whose it is, but how

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much we don't also want billboards on
the beach. So, we've got it specifically

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in there for how much signage is allowed
to be on the canopies and that does

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mirror the other m other municipalities
that do regulate it. So, hoping that if

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they're already following those
guidelines, we're not changing the way

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it's regulated. So,
>> and a lot of one of the complaints that

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we got regularly was that the setups
were being set up and no one was in

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them.
>> That's still going to happen. Um, but

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their setups will all be confined to
underneath

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» the canopies,
>> their canopy or umbrella now and so if

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they show up they can spread out
[clears throat] as they need to. But

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until then and um I think the lifeguard
services said that they would also make

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sure that it was confined and let us
know if people are violating it. So

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it'll give us a little bit more control
on our beaches. Yeah. So,

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» so can I ask uh does this is it proper
to ask right now?

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» Yes.
>> Uh can I ask uh does this um so this

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applies to anybody let's say you're
renting a home is applying to private

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people as well. I mean even though they
won't be have knowledge of this

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ordinance likely. I mean, obviously
you're charged with having knowledge of

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the laws where you travel, but um
>> so most of most of these regulations

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have been in place for years with both
individuals and the concier. We're just

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kind of separating out the concier
services and requiring a permit. The

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private residents, our lifeguards have
done an incredible job with public

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education in person.
>> Yeah.

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» Letting them know. We have the warning
tags so that they know that they can't

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leave their stuff out. Um,
>> yeah. Overnight,

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» the lifeguards, our supervisors have
spent a tremendous amount of time for

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public education,
>> right? Because I see the private person

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is not going to know that one rule about
leaving not putting their chairs outside

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of the tent. You know what I'm saying?
And that's not going to be very easy to

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» and and and the when in working on this
ordinance with with the lifeguard

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services, they're very willing to do
public education in person with people

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on the beach. That's
>> Does this actually is this um put more

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taxing on the lifeguards? I mean, take
away their their general duty to life be

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lifeguards or
>> it's something they're already doing. So

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in the ordinance you look in the seaside
regulations it already talks about beach

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equipment and where it can go but it's
pretty vague but it's been interpreted

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» for years you know if it's it's if it's
in the line of sight or if it's you know

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taking up where they where they drive
they're they work with the public every

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day already on the setup of beach
equipment. So it it gives them instead

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of this loose interpretation some real
>> teeth

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» rules no but also real rules that they
can show someone that hey these are the

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rules that are on the books this is what
we need you to do. Okay. But what I'm

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asking more is
>> I'm into oper I'm not an operator in

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beach lifeguard services but from
speaking with Dave it's their

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supervisors that are on four-wheelers
that do most of the public education not

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the person sitting on the stand watching
the water.

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» Okay.
>> The person on the stand watching the

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water that their primary responsibility
and that's all they're going to do is

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public safety for the ocean.
>> Right. So, I was just like thinking is

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that is it is the directive going to be
super enforcement or is it going to be

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like are you amping up are they going to
amp up their enforcement? I mean comes

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from the town manager or or it comes
from you know whoever's in charge of

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lifeguards the supervisor there. Is it
going to be like hey this is more of an

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active like now we have these rules are
we going to be more active? Do you do

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you anticipate that or
>> the the private rules for setup are not

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changing?
>> Right.

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» They're just being separated from the
concurge and now the concierge the

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business people that are making money
setting these things up. The businesses

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now have a permit process and they have
to have a shy bond and and insurance.

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» I'm just asking is that job do you view
that job is going to be more intense for

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that person now that lifeguard who who's
on the 4x4? that the education's going

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to be about the same as it was before.
It's it's actually going to take a

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little bit of pressure off of them
because if one of the businesses is not

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doing what they're supposed to, they're
going to be able to call us who are in

410
00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:13,760
the office
>> and we're then going to make contact

411
00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:16,559
with the concier's business that has a
permit. So, it's actually going to

412
00:32:15,039 --> 00:32:21,039
» it creates accountability.
>> It's going to take a little bit of

413
00:32:17,919 --> 00:32:26,960
pressure off of them if if there's um if
it is a marked business that's set up

414
00:32:24,799 --> 00:32:28,960
incorrectly, they're going to call us.
>> Okay. So,

415
00:32:27,519 --> 00:32:32,000
» and and a lot of these things are based
off of issues that they have been having

416
00:32:30,559 --> 00:32:35,120
on the beach every summer.
>> Yeah.

417
00:32:32,559 --> 00:32:40,240
» And so, a lot of these new regulations
just for everybody's beach equipment was

418
00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:49,039
based off of, you know, what what things
they struggle with dayto-day.

419
00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:54,799
» Do we have any an estimate on how many
chairs or umbrellas get tagged by

420
00:32:53,120 --> 00:32:56,880
lifeguards for being abandoned
overnight?

421
00:32:55,279 --> 00:33:00,960
» I don't have that information. Yes, sir.
>> I mean, not just to chief anything that

422
00:32:59,120 --> 00:33:04,320
you may know if the Dave It probably
doesn't get to you. I'd be better keep

423
00:33:03,120 --> 00:33:09,440
numbers on it.
>> I I don't know. I'd have to ask Elder

424
00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:13,120
Dave Elder. I have I don't know if they
keep a daily account numbers

425
00:33:11,679 --> 00:33:15,919
» for the season, for the week. I don't
know.

426
00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:21,760
» I'm just curious, kind of going to back
something Chris said, what percentage of

427
00:33:19,039 --> 00:33:28,000
things that may be left out overnight
belong to a a rental company versus

428
00:33:24,159 --> 00:33:29,919
privately owned? And is that a regular
thing?

429
00:33:28,399 --> 00:33:35,360
» From what I've heard, I believe the
majority of the ones that are more of a

430
00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:39,200
nuisance are as as Chris said earlier,
the fly by nighters,

431
00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:42,720
» the two kids from home for the summer.
We're going to run this business. Uh,

432
00:33:40,880 --> 00:33:45,600
you know, we went out, we didn't we only
got $60 on a tarp and made $300 on it

433
00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:49,200
today. We're not going to worry about
picking another hook. I don't know. I'm

434
00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:53,440
assuming that's what the majority of the
stuff is. I don't think the uh the

435
00:33:52,320 --> 00:33:57,600
vendors [clears throat]
the concier service most of them have

436
00:33:55,039 --> 00:34:00,799
got much you know the more reputable
bigger ones have got a lot more high

437
00:33:59,440 --> 00:34:04,080
quality stuff that they're not willing
to

438
00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:08,240
» just lose. The other thing that the
planning department has chased down

439
00:34:05,840 --> 00:34:12,720
through the lifeguard beach services is
the fly by nights that are actually at

440
00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:17,599
beach accesses that they've set up four
or five umbrellas and two chairs and

441
00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:21,119
they have someone sitting there and
said, "Well, you can rent that umbrella

442
00:34:19,119 --> 00:34:24,240
and chairs for me for 50 bucks for the
day." And it's not so much as a staying

443
00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:27,839
overnight, but they're actually
conducting they're they're taking up

444
00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:30,079
space and trying to sell it
>> in person. they're pedalling

445
00:34:29,823 --> 00:34:35,919
[clears throat]
>> um their umbrellas and chairs and that

446
00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:40,159
takes from the reputable businesses that
are getting permits and we can stop

447
00:34:37,520 --> 00:34:47,040
that. They're also one of the big
problems we've had in the past is

448
00:34:44,079 --> 00:34:50,879
storing their equipment at the base of a
beach access overnight because they

449
00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:56,399
don't want to really take it all the way
off because they're going to be back in

450
00:34:52,480 --> 00:35:00,400
the morning. So they'll tuck it to the
dudes and maybe put a tarp over it.

451
00:34:58,720 --> 00:35:05,440
Well, we don't want that. That's
dangerous.

452
00:35:01,599 --> 00:35:09,599
» Um, so this really puts a lot more
accountability into that that that can't

453
00:35:07,520 --> 00:35:14,160
be done and we can stop them from
working on our beach.

454
00:35:11,920 --> 00:35:18,000
» Yeah. and in talking with our public
services department too who ends up

455
00:35:16,240 --> 00:35:22,079
being responsible for picking up this as
solid waste is when we first started

456
00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:26,720
picking up overnight equipment. The
first summer was very busy.

457
00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:29,920
» But over time with education, most
people realized you can't leave it out

458
00:35:28,560 --> 00:35:34,720
there all night long or you can't leave
it at the toe of the dune. So even this

459
00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:38,640
summer there was numerous times we were
>> calling up companies who left beach

460
00:35:37,040 --> 00:35:41,839
equipment at beach accesses or at the
toe of the dune and let them know they

461
00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:45,040
couldn't do that. they need to come get
it and it wasn't thrown away. So,

462
00:35:43,680 --> 00:35:48,720
there's still a lot of education going
on, but over time we saw that

463
00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:51,680
» there ended up being an understanding of
what the rules are. So, it it will take

464
00:35:50,720 --> 00:35:55,119
time, but
>> and I just looked it up the over or

465
00:35:53,359 --> 00:35:59,599
Michael just let me know the overnight
equipment regulation has been in place

466
00:35:57,040 --> 00:36:02,880
since 2015. So, we've been doing that
for 10 years.

467
00:36:01,520 --> 00:36:10,079
» That's that's not new.
>> Yeah. the um civil penalties pursuant

468
00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:14,000
with section 10.99 of this of this code.
What's the dollar amount? Could you guys

469
00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:18,320
imagine if you do have a initial
violator or repeat violator to uh

470
00:36:16,640 --> 00:36:22,520
» it's a graduated scale?
>> Yeah,

471
00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:22,520
» it starts at $50.

472
00:36:22,560 --> 00:36:27,800
» Teeth there is that we can revoke the
permit.

473
00:36:27,839 --> 00:36:34,000
» That's just for one year.
>> Yeah. Yeah. So, will run from January 1

474
00:36:31,760 --> 00:36:38,800
to December 31st. We'll hope to get
everybody permitted and prepared before

475
00:36:36,640 --> 00:36:45,079
the season. And then that those three
violations will be, you know, for the

476
00:36:41,119 --> 00:36:45,079
really a summer season.

477
00:36:46,240 --> 00:36:53,680
» A a lot of people are already operating
thinking that we have these rules. Um

478
00:36:50,960 --> 00:36:57,200
I've spoken to several people like, "Oh,
I thought you already had the same rules

479
00:36:54,960 --> 00:37:00,320
as Duck or Nag's head." Um because they
wanted their equipment to be taken care

480
00:36:58,400 --> 00:37:05,200
of, too. They're pretty proud when they
put their logos on these things. Um, but

481
00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:09,599
there there have been others that have
not followed these rules.

482
00:37:07,680 --> 00:37:15,040
[clears throat]
>> Any more questions or comments?

483
00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:20,880
» Just when when everything's teared torn
down and and you said left a lot of

484
00:37:17,200 --> 00:37:24,640
times right at the base of someone's um
oceanfront stairs in the you know dunes

485
00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:28,240
or
>> that's private or concier.

486
00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:33,520
» You're okay as soon as you can. Are you
are do you want that in on their st wood

487
00:37:31,040 --> 00:37:35,839
stairs or do you want off the beach?
>> Oh, you want it west of the dune. Yes.

488
00:37:35,119 --> 00:37:38,000
So, okay.
>> A lot of that's been that way for

489
00:37:37,440 --> 00:37:39,200
» Yeah.
>> How many years?

490
00:37:38,720 --> 00:37:42,000
» A decade.
>> A decade.

491
00:37:39,760 --> 00:37:46,800
» Yeah. And I've Oh, at night overnight.
Really? Yeah. I've seen a lot of, you

492
00:37:44,800 --> 00:37:49,520
know, concier left on that side, too.
Just for ease of set up, you know, it

493
00:37:48,880 --> 00:37:54,079
makes sense.
>> We've had some We've had some some very

494
00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:56,800
specific issues in very specific areas
for years.

495
00:37:54,800 --> 00:38:00,560
» So, that's going to change there. It
it's been that way. No, I know. But

496
00:37:58,640 --> 00:38:02,160
» and we write them violations and call
them. It's every year.

497
00:38:01,760 --> 00:38:04,400
» Okay.
>> This that's

498
00:38:03,200 --> 00:38:08,320
» I'm just not aware of that. Okay. It's
not new. Thank you.

499
00:38:06,240 --> 00:38:12,160
» It's the easy place to to put it.
>> Yeah, I understand. It's not easy to

500
00:38:09,839 --> 00:38:14,400
carry it.
>> Makes sense.

501
00:38:13,520 --> 00:38:18,000
» Okay.
>> I think this is great. Thank you very

502
00:38:16,079 --> 00:38:21,880
much for this. It's very thorough and
it's very much needed.

503
00:38:22,240 --> 00:38:29,119
» All right. Um,
if unless anyone has any more comments

504
00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:35,520
or questions, I'll what would the board
like to do? We could I'll entertain a

505
00:38:31,839 --> 00:38:39,680
motion or I'll make a motion to adopt
the amendment to chapter 96, seaside

506
00:38:37,839 --> 00:38:45,400
regulations, add regulations for beach
equipment setup and regulations for

507
00:38:41,520 --> 00:38:45,400
beach concier services.

508
00:38:45,520 --> 00:38:51,280
» I'll second.
>> We have a motion, a second. Any further

509
00:38:49,040 --> 00:38:56,960
discussion?
>> Mayor. Yes. Um,

510
00:38:55,200 --> 00:39:01,839
would you include in your motion,
please, um, to amend the town's um,

511
00:38:59,760 --> 00:39:05,680
consolidated fee schedule to include the
beach concier service permit for $500?

512
00:39:05,119 --> 00:39:08,640
» Yes.
>> Thank you. And would you amend your

513
00:39:07,680 --> 00:39:11,200
second?
>> I would amend my second.

514
00:39:09,760 --> 00:39:16,960
» Thank you.
>> All right. Um,

515
00:39:13,839 --> 00:39:22,880
we have an amended motion and second.
Any more discussion or comment? All in

516
00:39:20,960 --> 00:39:23,599
favor, please indicate by saying I.
>> I.

517
00:39:23,200 --> 00:39:25,200
» I.
>> I.

518
00:39:24,480 --> 00:39:31,839
» All righty.
>> Thank you.

519
00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:39,200
» Let's move on to new business item
number three, proposed amendment chapter

520
00:39:34,720 --> 00:39:44,400
71, traffic regulations pro prohibition
of vehicular travel in flooded areas.

521
00:39:43,440 --> 00:39:46,320
Um,
>> yes, sir.

522
00:39:44,960 --> 00:39:51,680
» Debbie, I'll turn it over to you.
>> Thank you. Um, this ordinance is I won't

523
00:39:50,240 --> 00:39:57,680
tell you what I was calling it, but
anyway, it's where you've got heavy

524
00:39:53,839 --> 00:40:04,079
storm events and people are driving
through the flooded waters and it makes

525
00:40:00,320 --> 00:40:11,599
the way to go up into private property.
um just creating various misunders.

526
00:40:08,880 --> 00:40:14,400
Um the police department has highlighted
its mission to promote public

527
00:40:13,060 --> 00:40:20,320
[clears throat] safety and prevent
damage in flooded areas and proposed

528
00:40:17,119 --> 00:40:24,400
this amendments to chapter 71 traffic
regulations. If it's adopted, it would

529
00:40:22,720 --> 00:40:29,359
make it unlawful for motorists to
operate a vehicle in flooded water,

530
00:40:26,240 --> 00:40:33,320
displacing water and/or creating a wave
that would adversely affect

531
00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:40,760
and staff would recommend adoption of
the ordinances presented.

532
00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:50,960
» Okay. Got a few questions.
>> Okay.

533
00:40:45,520 --> 00:40:54,880
» Um 2 in of water as the threshold. Um
does this ordinance only apply to Kill

534
00:40:52,800 --> 00:40:58,720
Devil Hills roads or does commercial
property or private property encompassed

535
00:40:57,040 --> 00:41:02,480
in it as well?
This this would be the um the town's

536
00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:08,319
road.
>> Just the road. So,

537
00:41:05,040 --> 00:41:10,960
anything in a commercial businesses
>> Yes.

538
00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:19,200
» If a commercial business's parking lot's
flooded and someone drives through that,

539
00:41:14,160 --> 00:41:24,560
this ordinance does not include that.
>> Jurisdiction. Okay.

540
00:41:21,680 --> 00:41:28,800
» That was my initial question. Where did
um

541
00:41:26,240 --> 00:41:34,560
again the genesis of this where did two
inches of water as a threshold come from

542
00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:41,599
as uh
as a depth I guess for uh for this we

543
00:41:38,880 --> 00:41:44,319
picked like was there is there any any
>> I did

544
00:41:42,240 --> 00:41:47,920
» okay where did we is there any other two
inches yeah like what's

545
00:41:46,240 --> 00:41:50,880
» what's the background for that any other
towns do this

546
00:41:48,640 --> 00:41:56,000
» two inches that cover the the roadways
which if the way that our roads are

547
00:41:53,520 --> 00:41:59,839
built, they crown and go to the sides,
which means the edges will be

548
00:41:57,839 --> 00:42:03,480
dramatically more than two inches.
>> Yes.

549
00:42:00,240 --> 00:42:03,480
» Where people

550
00:42:04,720 --> 00:42:14,160
» the two in is a is a basic flood number.
And if that is moved and you're going

551
00:42:12,560 --> 00:42:19,440
into something that's six or eight
inches on the side of the roads, you're

552
00:42:16,319 --> 00:42:24,319
creating a lot of water movement.
So it has to be 2 in across the paved

553
00:42:22,480 --> 00:42:27,040
surface of the road, not on the sides.
If there's two inches on the the side of

554
00:42:26,160 --> 00:42:33,839
the road,
>> people are not water. It's just for the

555
00:42:30,079 --> 00:42:37,359
actual road surface of the road because
that means the flooding on the sides of

556
00:42:35,760 --> 00:42:44,000
the roads because of the way we design
our streets is dramatically deeper and

557
00:42:40,079 --> 00:42:49,359
it will go towards private properties.
It also creates the spray that hits

558
00:42:47,599 --> 00:42:54,560
people's windshields and blinds them
when they're moving.

559
00:42:51,280 --> 00:42:58,960
» So that's that's where it came from.
>> But two inches at the crest of the road

560
00:42:57,280 --> 00:43:01,359
in the center of this highest point
>> the pave portion

561
00:42:59,760 --> 00:43:06,160
» obviously it'll be much deeper on the
side. Okay.

562
00:43:03,760 --> 00:43:10,240
» Is this from this for marked areas
though? Not like they're sign this is

563
00:43:08,720 --> 00:43:14,160
for marked areas. You're not you're not
as a motorist have to decide whether

564
00:43:11,599 --> 00:43:17,520
there's two inches on the road or not.
or this is this applies to every every

565
00:43:16,480 --> 00:43:20,160
area.
>> Every area, especially right after you

566
00:43:18,960 --> 00:43:25,280
have a storm, you don't have a time to
put out signs let know that there

567
00:43:22,560 --> 00:43:28,160
there's water on the road and people
it's obvious you're not supposed to

568
00:43:26,560 --> 00:43:31,599
drive through high water anyway. Yeah.
But some of these people would take

569
00:43:29,520 --> 00:43:35,599
NC12. We've had some places that drive
up there in ladies house and water to go

570
00:43:33,440 --> 00:43:38,240
in. They're still drive 35 miles an hour
through there throwing weights up higher

571
00:43:37,280 --> 00:43:40,319
than vehicles.
>> Oh yeah. I mean, common sense

572
00:43:39,380 --> 00:43:44,000
[clears throat]
>> should prevail, but it's not like I

573
00:43:42,319 --> 00:43:48,160
mean, I've been on I've been driving out
of Hatters where every single car is

574
00:43:45,839 --> 00:43:49,119
ruining itself going through, you know,
six

575
00:43:48,720 --> 00:43:54,720
» correct
>> to 12 inches of water and that's

576
00:43:52,240 --> 00:43:56,880
basically the only way to come and go.
So,

577
00:43:55,359 --> 00:44:00,000
» but they're not doing it reckless in a
manner to that would cause it. They're

578
00:43:58,480 --> 00:44:02,880
trying to drive slow enough that they
can get through it, not throwing water

579
00:44:01,119 --> 00:44:06,240
up on the other vehicles they're
meeting, hitting their windshield, and

580
00:44:04,240 --> 00:44:08,880
that might cause them to uh
>> I mean, but it's not like if you have to

581
00:44:07,680 --> 00:44:10,800
get to your place or you have to get out
of your place. I mean, you're going to

582
00:44:09,920 --> 00:44:12,800
have to go through it. That's
>> Oh, no. If you have to go through it and

583
00:44:11,920 --> 00:44:16,240
you're not sitting there driving
reckless, you should be able to go

584
00:44:14,000 --> 00:44:19,520
through it. You drive like like you
said, have some comments.

585
00:44:17,119 --> 00:44:24,960
» Oh, this talks about reckless.
>> That was my that was my concern as well.

586
00:44:21,599 --> 00:44:29,920
Like is is this a blanket ban on
>> No, this is it's like for the like in

587
00:44:27,839 --> 00:44:35,359
the first sentence where it talks about
the secret individuals.

588
00:44:33,040 --> 00:44:38,720
» Oh, yeah. Yeah. I'm sorry.
>> purposely doing this,

589
00:44:36,640 --> 00:44:42,240
» right? Yeah. Yeah. It's not the person
that's trying to get to their house,

590
00:44:40,560 --> 00:44:44,720
driving slow, and paying attention to
what they're doing.

591
00:44:42,960 --> 00:44:46,240
» So, you're looking for intent. That's
correct.

592
00:44:45,040 --> 00:44:49,119
» Of the driver.
>> Yes.

593
00:44:46,720 --> 00:44:52,880
» Yeah. It's in It's in that sentence. It
>> No, I understand. Yeah. But how do you

594
00:44:50,480 --> 00:44:56,319
how do you how do you regulate intent of
how do you determine intent? The

595
00:44:54,560 --> 00:45:00,640
officers are going to determine intent.
>> The officers will. Yes, sir.

596
00:44:59,359 --> 00:45:03,359
» Okay. How?
>> No different than reckless driving,

597
00:45:02,640 --> 00:45:07,839
» right?
>> Well, I know reckless driving water. As

598
00:45:06,480 --> 00:45:14,720
you know, as a criminal attorney,
reckless driving is sort of a very broad

599
00:45:11,599 --> 00:45:18,640
and and intent can I'm just wondering
what it is that's gonna because I just

600
00:45:16,720 --> 00:45:22,880
see like a lot of problems with this
being so broad. You know what I'm

601
00:45:20,160 --> 00:45:26,640
saying? Like I mean, yes, we we all
think we know what's intentional and

602
00:45:24,800 --> 00:45:31,599
what's not and obviously an officer is
more trained than that at that than

603
00:45:28,240 --> 00:45:36,480
others, but I just don't like adding,
you know, something that's, you know,

604
00:45:34,079 --> 00:45:39,359
Yeah. I mean, it's I mean, it should be
reckless. Isn't it covered by reckless

605
00:45:38,079 --> 00:45:41,440
driving, first of all?
>> Not necessarily.

606
00:45:40,160 --> 00:45:43,839
» Wouldn't you wouldn't you say?
>> Not necessarily.

607
00:45:42,319 --> 00:45:48,800
» I'm not a criminal lawyer, so I'm going
to defer. [laughter]

608
00:45:45,040 --> 00:45:52,960
But I could I could see why not. You
know, reckless driving, you're thinking

609
00:45:50,079 --> 00:45:58,560
of crossing left or center, driving at a
high rate of speed in a school zone,

610
00:45:55,200 --> 00:46:01,760
things of that nature. Here, I mean, I
guess it maybe falls, but not

611
00:45:59,839 --> 00:46:05,200
necessarily. Right. I was going to say
>> it basically just helps our police

612
00:46:03,359 --> 00:46:10,480
department be able to deal with these
situations, especially after a storm and

613
00:46:08,000 --> 00:46:14,960
like said, you don't have time to put up
signs. Um you may have time an

614
00:46:13,119 --> 00:46:18,240
opportunity to put cones out.
>> Yeah.

615
00:46:15,440 --> 00:46:20,400
» But they witness people moving the cones
to go around.

616
00:46:19,760 --> 00:46:23,119
» Yeah.
>> And this is a civil citation also.

617
00:46:22,560 --> 00:46:27,200
» Oh, okay.
>> Right. Right. That's the I was going to

618
00:46:24,800 --> 00:46:30,319
add that. Yes. That's right, Chief.
>> Yeah. Yeah. No, I mean I you know

619
00:46:28,960 --> 00:46:33,119
» and officer is going to use this
discretion at it anyway. If it's

620
00:46:31,920 --> 00:46:36,480
intentional, they'll be able to tell.
But

621
00:46:33,680 --> 00:46:39,200
» you you've seen trucks with big tires.
They'll be running throwing rooster

622
00:46:38,000 --> 00:46:42,800
tails for bad
>> have a good old time just to just to

623
00:46:41,040 --> 00:46:44,560
cause some trouble. I get it. Yeah.
>> Thrill seeking.

624
00:46:43,680 --> 00:46:48,240
» Yes.
>> No. Nobody needs a wake in their living

625
00:46:46,160 --> 00:46:55,680
room. I get I I get it all. I just It's
just like it seems a little broad to me,

626
00:46:51,040 --> 00:47:00,640
but uh and I don't like broad. But
anyway, it's okay. It's an ordinance.

627
00:46:58,079 --> 00:47:04,280
It's not a statute, but it's just kind
of broad. But

628
00:47:05,200 --> 00:47:10,760
questions or comments? Anything else? I
mean, I

629
00:47:11,680 --> 00:47:17,680
I kind of have a funny feeling, too. I I
completely could support the thought.

630
00:47:16,000 --> 00:47:23,680
» I wish the language was a little more
detailed of maybe the road being

631
00:47:19,920 --> 00:47:28,560
completely covered in water and then
I just wish it the little more specific.

632
00:47:26,400 --> 00:47:31,200
I just can't but I I completely support
the

633
00:47:29,280 --> 00:47:36,319
» the idea.
>> What would you add in the specifics?

634
00:47:33,359 --> 00:47:43,119
» The road completely submerged in water
and uh as we described where the crest

635
00:47:39,599 --> 00:47:47,520
of the road is two inches or below
underwater. Like if there's puddles on

636
00:47:45,839 --> 00:47:50,960
the side where the motors get to safely
navigate through the middle, they may

637
00:47:49,599 --> 00:47:55,359
think, well, there's two inches on. They
just their tire touches that puddle,

638
00:47:53,839 --> 00:47:59,680
they may be in violation of this.
>> If they navigate safely through the two

639
00:47:58,000 --> 00:48:04,800
inches of water,
>> they're not in violation.

640
00:48:02,880 --> 00:48:09,440
» And that was my question because I
interpreted this as like there's flood

641
00:48:06,640 --> 00:48:13,760
waters, you can't drive. So with this
understanding of the intent and that's

642
00:48:12,079 --> 00:48:15,280
what I think we were getting at maybe we
should clear this up a little bit.

643
00:48:14,960 --> 00:48:18,400
» Yes.
>> With the understanding of the intent of

644
00:48:16,720 --> 00:48:24,000
the ordinance which I get the intent.
Common sense says do not do this but we

645
00:48:21,119 --> 00:48:30,640
don't live in that world. So if we can
clarify that intent of

646
00:48:28,720 --> 00:48:35,280
yes calming people down perhaps a little
bit and that you are allowed to drive

647
00:48:32,720 --> 00:48:39,200
down your road if it is flooded as long
as you do so in a reasonable manner. I

648
00:48:36,960 --> 00:48:42,079
think that I can get that and I do I do
understand the first sentence. It's very

649
00:48:40,720 --> 00:48:48,480
exciting way to start it. It just kind
of threw me um regarding the intent.

650
00:48:46,880 --> 00:48:51,280
» I think you have to define something
else like

651
00:48:49,040 --> 00:48:55,359
» but it says water to be displaced and or
create a wake of water. So

652
00:48:53,520 --> 00:48:59,920
» So the interpretation is if you do not
create the wake then you are fine.

653
00:48:58,319 --> 00:49:02,400
» You're not displacing it or creating a
wake then you're not in violation.

654
00:49:01,119 --> 00:49:05,680
» I don't think it's as clear as you think
it is. I think it's really not that

655
00:49:04,079 --> 00:49:10,480
clear. Okay.
>> I mean when you say I mean we have to

656
00:49:07,520 --> 00:49:15,359
define like we define in other things
you know what the travel surface is what

657
00:49:13,760 --> 00:49:19,200
the there's nothing about crescent of
the road. So we like we'd have to define

658
00:49:17,119 --> 00:49:22,480
a couple other things in there but I
don't think it's as clear as as you

659
00:49:21,359 --> 00:49:26,800
» see then I think you're getting too
specific like all you people

660
00:49:24,400 --> 00:49:29,839
» specific is good with law specific is
good. I don't think people

661
00:49:28,400 --> 00:49:33,760
» broad is bad
>> and it's broad and it's very broad but

662
00:49:32,079 --> 00:49:38,880
but you know you're just as specific
when in in the drafting of the of the

663
00:49:36,319 --> 00:49:44,880
last ordinance and defining certain
things I think you have to define

664
00:49:41,280 --> 00:49:49,119
um travel surface define you know
roadway define a couple things I think

665
00:49:46,559 --> 00:49:52,240
would make a lot more sense don't you
>> agree

666
00:49:49,680 --> 00:49:57,760
» I think like the sentence it should it
shall be unlawful to drive slash operate

667
00:49:54,720 --> 00:50:02,160
a motor vehicle maybe that recklessly
drive or ne or dangerously drive.

668
00:50:01,040 --> 00:50:07,520
» That's what I'm getting at.
>> Specific the type of driving is what

669
00:50:05,119 --> 00:50:11,040
we're trying to prohibit. Not safely
going through two of

670
00:50:09,440 --> 00:50:16,240
» I think that's also a good point. That's
a there's a second thing that it's a

671
00:50:13,359 --> 00:50:21,119
good point.
>> That's my only concern. That's my only

672
00:50:17,839 --> 00:50:25,520
concern. Do you want to
try to amend this here and now or do you

673
00:50:23,119 --> 00:50:29,200
want to try to table this and
>> I think there is consensus that we all

674
00:50:26,960 --> 00:50:34,650
support the the notion and I think it's
a good idea maybe we table this and give

675
00:50:32,240 --> 00:50:38,240
staff time to
[clears throat]

676
00:50:35,760 --> 00:50:41,760
refine it add a few more details based
on this discussion to bring it back to

677
00:50:41,040 --> 00:50:46,880
our next meeting
>> be glad to help yeah town attorney maybe

678
00:50:45,599 --> 00:50:50,319
able to help too
>> we craft it get it up.

679
00:50:48,960 --> 00:50:53,680
» Yeah, it's just it's just a little
broad.

680
00:50:51,359 --> 00:50:57,520
» All right. Do we need a motion or cons?
Okay.

681
00:50:55,839 --> 00:51:04,319
» All right.
Moving on to new business.

682
00:51:02,000 --> 00:51:08,160
Item number four, process and timeline
to fill vacant position on the board of

683
00:51:06,559 --> 00:51:12,480
commissioners.
Town manager.

684
00:51:09,119 --> 00:51:17,359
» Yes, sir. Um staff has recently
conferred with representatives for

685
00:51:14,000 --> 00:51:22,640
years. um UN School of Government for
guidance in this process um on filling

686
00:51:20,160 --> 00:51:27,599
the vacancy to cause the death city
commissioner Terry Gray. Um we're

687
00:51:25,040 --> 00:51:31,760
recommending the following.
Um

688
00:51:29,520 --> 00:51:35,520
Monday, February the 2nd would be the
deadline for applications to be

689
00:51:33,440 --> 00:51:40,079
submitted. Um applications may be
submitted online through the town's

690
00:51:37,280 --> 00:51:44,880
website and a resume may also be um
submitted with the complete application.

691
00:51:42,480 --> 00:51:49,760
Um, February the 9th, the town clerk
will forward all eligible applications

692
00:51:47,119 --> 00:51:54,480
to the board. February 9th through March
9th, the board members will review the

693
00:51:51,680 --> 00:51:58,480
application and may individually contact
applicants to obtain additional

694
00:51:56,640 --> 00:52:03,359
information or clarification on any of
the information submitted. March 9th,

695
00:52:01,440 --> 00:52:07,440
which would be um the first meeting in
March. During the board commissioners

696
00:52:05,200 --> 00:52:10,960
meeting, members will use the nomination
and ballot method to fill the vacant

697
00:52:09,359 --> 00:52:15,599
seat from the eligible candidates
submitted applications.

698
00:52:13,040 --> 00:52:21,920
Um if an applicant is selected at that
meeting, then on the 25th of March, the

699
00:52:18,720 --> 00:52:27,359
office would be administered to the um
to the commissioner. And just for

700
00:52:24,640 --> 00:52:33,520
clarification purposes, when filled, the
term of this appointment um made by the

701
00:52:29,920 --> 00:52:39,200
board will be through December 2027,
which is when Commissioner Grace term

702
00:52:36,240 --> 00:52:44,160
would have um ended. The remaining two
years, I'm sorry, it um would not have

703
00:52:42,079 --> 00:52:51,040
ended. The remaining two years of the
term would then be decided by the voters

704
00:52:47,040 --> 00:52:55,119
in November 27 municipal election and
the certified winner of that election

705
00:52:52,720 --> 00:53:00,079
would serve in December 29th which is
when the term [clears throat] was

706
00:52:57,760 --> 00:53:03,760
bra term would have ended.
>> So we were our

707
00:53:01,839 --> 00:53:10,000
» it keeps your it keeps your terms the
same. It keeps your board staggered.

708
00:53:06,079 --> 00:53:16,000
» Yes. But it allows the citizens to fill
the seat for the remaining two years and

709
00:53:12,559 --> 00:53:19,760
obviously um they could elect one that
you appoint.

710
00:53:18,319 --> 00:53:26,400
» All right. Thank you very much.
>> Yeah. Thank you.

711
00:53:21,760 --> 00:53:30,079
» Um any comment or feedback on this
proposal?

712
00:53:27,839 --> 00:53:32,160
» I move to approve the recommended
process and timeline.

713
00:53:31,359 --> 00:53:36,400
» I will second.
>> We have a motion and a second. Any more

714
00:53:34,400 --> 00:53:39,359
discussion?
hearing none. All in favor, please

715
00:53:38,079 --> 00:53:42,839
indicate by saying I.
>> I.

716
00:53:39,839 --> 00:53:42,839
» I.

717
00:53:43,280 --> 00:53:51,280
» All right. [clears throat]
New business. New business. Item number

718
00:53:48,160 --> 00:53:55,920
five, appointments and nominations. We
have three different sections here. U we

719
00:53:54,559 --> 00:54:00,800
think we should just go maybe one at a
time. Uh we'll start out with our

720
00:53:58,400 --> 00:54:05,599
planning board. We currently have uh two
vacancies. Uh first uh our longtime

721
00:54:03,359 --> 00:54:10,800
chairman Howard Buchanan has recently
moved outside of our town limits which

722
00:54:08,079 --> 00:54:17,200
has opened a vacancy on that spot. And
we also have Becky Brieholtz. Her term

723
00:54:13,920 --> 00:54:23,280
is is expiring and uh she has expressed
interest in being reappointed to her

724
00:54:20,480 --> 00:54:28,160
seat. Um
I will jump in here and

725
00:54:26,640 --> 00:54:33,200
we had ch I had a chance to really look
at the four applications. I think

726
00:54:29,520 --> 00:54:37,920
everybody else added did as well. Uh I I
first would like to nominate Becky Brie

727
00:54:36,000 --> 00:54:43,680
Holtz to be reappointed to the seat. She
has that br awful lot of of experience

728
00:54:41,520 --> 00:54:51,520
to the planning board and has been a
real asset as well. And um for the open

729
00:54:48,640 --> 00:54:56,400
seat, I I like Shannon MacArthur. I
thought her application was good. Um, I

730
00:54:53,760 --> 00:55:02,079
thought she has some real I I read
genuine desire to serve and then a good

731
00:54:58,559 --> 00:55:06,319
background. Uh, I'll open it up to you
rest of you all for discussion as well.

732
00:55:04,880 --> 00:55:10,400
» I agree as well. Having reviewed the
applications, her answers were more than

733
00:55:09,760 --> 00:55:11,040
thorough.
>> Yeah.

734
00:55:10,720 --> 00:55:15,920
» So,
>> I agree.

735
00:55:12,559 --> 00:55:25,160
» I uh I had talked to you guys. I do like
Jason Self. I know he has served the

736
00:55:18,000 --> 00:55:25,160
town. Um I feel like he's um

737
00:55:25,359 --> 00:55:35,280
uh you know he's a longterm time member
of the town and and resident of the

738
00:55:30,559 --> 00:55:41,680
town. But um I do agree that that was
that was that application was filled

739
00:55:37,040 --> 00:55:47,760
out, you know, clear and complete and uh
will uh agree with that.

740
00:55:43,920 --> 00:55:53,680
» All right. So my uh my motion is to
reappoint Becky Brie Haltz to the seat

741
00:55:50,559 --> 00:55:57,440
she currently occupies and then nominate
appoint Shannon MacArthur to the open

742
00:55:56,079 --> 00:56:01,520
seat on the planning board.
>> I'll second that.

743
00:55:58,720 --> 00:56:04,960
» Uh motion second. Any more discussion?
Hearing none. All in favor please

744
00:56:02,960 --> 00:56:11,359
indicate by saying I. I.
>> I. All right. Thank you. And board's

745
00:56:08,720 --> 00:56:15,119
restocked. All right. [laughter]
Um,

746
00:56:13,200 --> 00:56:21,040
our next two items of this is the
government education access channels and

747
00:56:18,000 --> 00:56:27,920
dear county tourism board were uh seats
that Terry had uh was serving in during

748
00:56:24,960 --> 00:56:31,040
his time on the board. I know Ivy, I'll
turn over to you if you'd like to speak

749
00:56:29,839 --> 00:56:33,200
or I can go ahead.
>> Sure.

750
00:56:31,920 --> 00:56:40,559
» All right.
Um we had discussed um

751
00:56:37,359 --> 00:56:46,559
the government access channel
appointment and the tourism board

752
00:56:43,359 --> 00:56:53,839
appointment um potentially holding off
on those if that's if that's an option

753
00:56:49,440 --> 00:57:00,480
until the seat is filled so that we can
um properly

754
00:56:56,240 --> 00:57:02,960
» um spread out the duties. Is that is
that something

755
00:57:02,160 --> 00:57:06,960
» that's possible?
>> It's certainly your option. Um,

756
00:57:04,880 --> 00:57:13,280
specifically with the government access
channel, um, I think that would work

757
00:57:10,240 --> 00:57:20,240
work very well. As you recall with the
with the visitors bureau and bureau, um,

758
00:57:16,960 --> 00:57:26,319
you make nominations through and we send
those to their county um, in the order

759
00:57:23,920 --> 00:57:32,079
of your preference.
So unless you're thinking that the

760
00:57:29,760 --> 00:57:36,880
appointed position is the one that you
want on the visitors bureau, then I

761
00:57:34,400 --> 00:57:40,400
would recommend you not wait
because you go that much longer without

762
00:57:38,720 --> 00:57:44,000
a representative on that board.
>> Okay?

763
00:57:42,400 --> 00:57:50,720
» So if that but that if that's your
intent is that that the appointed

764
00:57:47,119 --> 00:57:57,839
commissioner will be your choice for the
visitors bureau then wait. Well, we we

765
00:57:54,400 --> 00:58:01,760
got a lot to work out. Yeah, maybe. It's
a maybe at this point because we we have

766
00:58:00,079 --> 00:58:05,680
to see who applies,
>> what their availability and preferences

767
00:58:04,799 --> 00:58:11,440
are.
>> I'm just I just want to point out that

768
00:58:08,400 --> 00:58:15,520
» that's a pretty big time to be without a
representative on that.

769
00:58:14,000 --> 00:58:17,839
» True.
>> Because it has once you do that, then it

770
00:58:17,440 --> 00:58:20,960
goes
>> it's another it's another month or six

771
00:58:19,680 --> 00:58:25,200
weeks. Yeah.
>> True. to make the appointment and

772
00:58:22,880 --> 00:58:29,280
typically they will appoint the one that
you list as your main option your

773
00:58:28,400 --> 00:58:33,520
preference
>> right

774
00:58:30,160 --> 00:58:38,079
» I I agree with Commissioner Ingram
sentiment I think that I kind of would

775
00:58:35,760 --> 00:58:41,040
like to get all our seats full again and
get a chance to really kind of talk

776
00:58:40,240 --> 00:58:43,680
through
>> sure

777
00:58:41,440 --> 00:58:47,839
» we all have careers with families it's
big time commitment and you know let's

778
00:58:45,920 --> 00:58:52,160
see where people like what they where
they want to serve where they can serve

779
00:58:50,240 --> 00:58:54,640
um work these things out.
>> That was important [clears throat]

780
00:58:53,839 --> 00:58:59,520
» to point out,
>> right? Yeah, absolutely.

781
00:58:56,559 --> 00:59:02,520
» Um any more thoughts on those two
appointments?

782
00:59:03,200 --> 00:59:10,319
Should we need to make a motion to uh
table consensus? Okay.

783
00:59:07,200 --> 00:59:14,480
» No, we're just um it'll come back if you
do um select someone and they are sworn

784
00:59:13,440 --> 00:59:16,480
in at the
>> March

785
00:59:14,880 --> 00:59:21,200
» last March meeting, we'll have on the
March agenda if that's okay. or if you'd

786
00:59:18,319 --> 00:59:24,960
rather let April whichever.
>> Well, April. April's how I feel. How do

787
00:59:23,440 --> 00:59:28,799
you all What do you all think? Because
it may be too

788
00:59:27,040 --> 00:59:33,280
» How about this? Let's put it on March.
>> Yeah, March given, you know,

789
00:59:32,079 --> 00:59:35,680
» I mean, the person would have already
been

790
00:59:34,000 --> 00:59:40,599
» selected. We'd have a couple weeks. So,
yeah, let's

791
00:59:36,799 --> 00:59:40,599
» let's do that. March.

792
00:59:40,720 --> 00:59:46,480
» Thank you.
>> All right.

793
00:59:44,240 --> 00:59:50,751
Next item on the agenda is committee
reports. Nothing for me.

794
00:59:49,040 --> 00:59:52,240
» Nothing.
[clears throat]

795
00:59:51,119 --> 00:59:56,880
» Nothing.
>> Uh, well, I got one quick thing to

796
00:59:53,920 --> 01:00:03,119
share. On December 16th last year, I
attended the DARE housing foundation

797
01:00:00,240 --> 01:00:07,760
meeting. Uh, it's been really nice to
see the task force become the foundation

798
01:00:05,920 --> 01:00:13,440
and and move forward in addressing a
very complex issue. Um, we adopted a

799
01:00:12,079 --> 01:00:18,160
meeting calendar for the rest of the
year. We have found an office, a home

800
01:00:15,920 --> 01:00:23,040
and office space in Southern Shores for
the time going forward. And uh we've

801
01:00:21,520 --> 01:00:30,240
established committee work to kind of
look at marketing, look at potential

802
01:00:24,640 --> 01:00:35,839
sites, really move this uh nonprofit uh
forward and addressing the issue. Um

803
01:00:33,839 --> 01:00:39,200
it just so happens our chairs in this
audience today, too. So great time to

804
01:00:38,240 --> 01:00:43,280
talk about [clears throat] the the
housing foundation. I I found that when

805
01:00:41,280 --> 01:00:47,839
people do ask me questions, I I can
always refer back to the the task

806
01:00:44,880 --> 01:00:53,440
force's report as we ended the task
force and confer and turned into uh the

807
01:00:51,440 --> 01:00:59,599
foundation. It's a nice way to kind of
have a understanding of what work we're

808
01:00:56,720 --> 01:01:04,160
doing. Uh that seems to come up a lot in
casual conversation on social media in

809
01:01:01,359 --> 01:01:07,119
the media. Uh this is a nice resource to
kind of know, you know, what we're

810
01:01:05,599 --> 01:01:12,400
working on and what our goals are and
what's happening.

811
01:01:09,040 --> 01:01:17,520
So, um that's all I have for committee
reports. Commissioner's agenda.

812
01:01:15,839 --> 01:01:23,520
Nothing for me, sir.
>> No agenda here.

813
01:01:18,960 --> 01:01:29,760
» I wanted to um bring up something. Um I
did the laptop receiving from Caleb

814
01:01:27,440 --> 01:01:34,480
today. And so, I wanted to bring up
something that we've talked about before

815
01:01:32,079 --> 01:01:40,480
um and it wasn't super popular, but I'm
going to bring it up again because it's

816
01:01:35,839 --> 01:01:46,400
2026. And um I'm going to ask that we
consider ditching the paper um since we

817
01:01:43,760 --> 01:01:53,040
have nice beautiful laptops now and it's
a huge waste of resources. Um I I think

818
01:01:51,119 --> 01:02:00,160
I like I personally like having an
agenda here in front of me too. of maybe

819
01:01:56,400 --> 01:02:06,640
we print one agenda per spot, but this
is it's a lot of unnecessary paper and

820
01:02:04,079 --> 01:02:12,960
I'd like us to really consider that
paper waste and the resources that the

821
01:02:09,760 --> 01:02:17,359
town is using. So,
just throwing it out there.

822
01:02:15,280 --> 01:02:20,880
» I know I'm so I'm so old school. I
probably was the one that was against it

823
01:02:18,640 --> 01:02:24,799
last time. I just I [laughter]
like I do like the paper. I do like the

824
01:02:23,119 --> 01:02:28,480
paper, but that's just
>> is it possible for some of us to have

825
01:02:26,559 --> 01:02:30,799
paper and some of us, right?
>> Okay.

826
01:02:29,040 --> 01:02:34,640
» And
you know, certainly I think you want to

827
01:02:32,240 --> 01:02:38,559
take a little time to get used to your
>> For sure. Yeah. Yeah. Just something for

828
01:02:37,040 --> 01:02:41,119
us to consider in the next couple
months.

829
01:02:38,880 --> 01:02:43,040
» Consider and we could kind of ease into
it.

830
01:02:41,920 --> 01:02:48,000
» Maybe by Earth Day.
>> I like I like April 25th.

831
01:02:45,200 --> 01:02:51,920
» I like the idea of it being a choice for
different board members if they want to

832
01:02:49,599 --> 01:02:55,119
try it. I'm
now that we have a I never the old iPad

833
01:02:54,480 --> 01:02:57,040
I never
>> No,

834
01:02:55,440 --> 01:02:59,359
» that didn't work. But
>> a laptop's a whole different story,

835
01:02:58,799 --> 01:03:02,160
» right?
>> I'm uh

836
01:03:00,720 --> 01:03:05,839
» openminded to give it a shot.
>> Let's just

837
01:03:03,599 --> 01:03:11,520
» ask Caleb how the paper he has
calculated how far the paper goes around

838
01:03:08,720 --> 01:03:14,559
town. Ask him and then
>> when you get you when you get your

839
01:03:12,720 --> 01:03:19,359
laptop, ask him about his paper
calculations [laughter]

840
01:03:16,559 --> 01:03:24,000
» and it might change your mind
>> right.

841
01:03:21,920 --> 01:03:28,000
» I'm I'm [laughter] willing to try it.
>> I'm willing to give it a shot. I I I am

842
01:03:25,920 --> 01:03:31,119
very much like Commissioner Makavoy. I
enjoy I write notes all over my

843
01:03:30,833 --> 01:03:36,240
[laughter]
>> No, I I I mean dinosaurs.

844
01:03:33,839 --> 01:03:41,920
Yeah, I I really
have to um modernize here, but I'm I'm

845
01:03:39,920 --> 01:03:46,160
completely open-minded to adopt
Commissioner Ingram's recommendation. We

846
01:03:44,559 --> 01:03:51,139
made an investment in computer. Let's
see if we can

847
01:03:47,760 --> 01:03:53,159
» live without this, but um good call out.
[laughter]

848
01:03:53,520 --> 01:04:01,280
» Yes, I think that's the preference is is
fine.

849
01:03:57,599 --> 01:04:08,000
» Uh anything else under commissioner's
agenda? Hearing

850
01:04:04,720 --> 01:04:13,119
none, I under mayor's agenda, I have a
few things. Um, holiday drives. I want

851
01:04:10,799 --> 01:04:18,480
to take a moment to share with the board
and everyone how successful uh the

852
01:04:14,960 --> 01:04:22,079
town's 2025 holiday drives were. Thanks
to generous donations by our community,

853
01:04:20,400 --> 01:04:26,640
we
there were numerous toys donated for

854
01:04:23,760 --> 01:04:31,440
Toys for Tots and over 400 pounds of
food for the Beach Food Pantry. I

855
01:04:28,799 --> 01:04:35,839
promise you, they need it. Um early
voting uh that just just like we just

856
01:04:33,920 --> 01:04:40,960
got out of one just got done with that
and we're talking about it again. Uh the

857
01:04:38,559 --> 01:04:44,640
town has again volunteered the town hall
meeting room to serve as a site for

858
01:04:42,400 --> 01:04:49,599
early voting for all voters of Dair
County for the upcoming March 3rd

859
01:04:46,720 --> 01:04:54,880
primary election. Early voting will
begin on Thursday, February 12th. Um,

860
01:04:53,440 --> 01:05:01,119
it'll run from the 12th through the
27th, weekdays from 8:00 am to 7:30 p.m.

861
01:04:58,640 --> 01:05:06,079
on February 29th. Uh, that's the only
Saturday for early voting from 8:00 a.m.

862
01:05:02,880 --> 01:05:12,240
to 3:00 p.m. And election day is March
3rd. Polls open at 6:30 in the morning,

863
01:05:09,039 --> 01:05:15,599
close at 7:30 at night. And to remind
everyone, the town is not involved in

864
01:05:13,920 --> 01:05:20,400
the voting process. If anyone has
questions about voting, registration,

865
01:05:17,920 --> 01:05:23,960
etc., Please contact the Dare County
Elections Office.

866
01:05:24,400 --> 01:05:29,359
All right, and that's all I have for
mayor's agenda. Um, town manager's

867
01:05:28,880 --> 01:05:32,319
agenda,
>> nothing this evening. Thank you.

868
01:05:31,359 --> 01:05:38,359
» Town attorney,
>> nothing for me. All right, we can move

869
01:05:34,079 --> 01:05:38,359
on to the consent agenda.

870
01:05:39,839 --> 01:05:47,599
» Yes, sir. Thank you. Um the minutes from
the December 8th, 2025 meeting, the

871
01:05:44,559 --> 01:05:52,160
November 2025 monthly report, the annual
certification of firefighters, um

872
01:05:49,920 --> 01:05:55,839
approval of the consent agenda will
record the board certification of the

873
01:05:53,920 --> 01:06:00,160
fire department's roster.
>> Um earlier this evening when Emily was

874
01:05:58,079 --> 01:06:04,160
giving her report on the audit, she
referenced this um response to the local

875
01:06:02,319 --> 01:06:09,520
government commission. We've talked
about this before. Um, and simply the

876
01:06:07,520 --> 01:06:13,440
the letter has been written and if
Michael has not gotten you um if you

877
01:06:11,599 --> 01:06:17,760
would before you leave this evening,
please sign that. Um, approval of the

878
01:06:16,000 --> 01:06:23,520
consent agenda will record the board's
approval of the response to the LGC and

879
01:06:20,640 --> 01:06:29,520
authorize its execution and submission.
Number five is a proclamation um for a

880
01:06:27,039 --> 01:06:34,240
reimbursement resolution for fiscal year
2526 declaring the intent to reimburse

881
01:06:32,160 --> 01:06:38,240
the cost of certain expenditures.
Approval of the consent agenda will

882
01:06:35,839 --> 01:06:41,920
approve the reimbursement resolution for
the fiscal year declaring the intent to

883
01:06:40,559 --> 01:06:46,480
reimburse the cost of certain
expenditures and allow the town to

884
01:06:43,520 --> 01:06:51,520
reimburse itself for cost incurred for
the purchases of the above items with

885
01:06:49,119 --> 01:06:54,960
loan proceeds. and staff recommends
approval of the consent agenda as

886
01:06:53,440 --> 01:06:57,680
presented and a motion would be in
order.

887
01:06:56,319 --> 01:07:00,880
» I'll make a motion to approve the
consent agenda.

888
01:06:59,200 --> 01:07:04,079
» Second.
>> Have a motion, a second. Any discussion?

889
01:07:03,056 --> 01:07:06,480
[laughter]
Hearing none. All in favor, please

890
01:07:05,280 --> 01:07:09,119
indicate by saying I.
>> I. I.

891
01:07:07,599 --> 01:07:14,319
» All right. So now,
>> thank you very much.

892
01:07:10,160 --> 01:07:20,720
» Thank you. Um, now is our time.
Second opportunity for public comments.

893
01:07:18,240 --> 01:07:25,359
Duke, you're the only public person we
have in the in the in the room right

894
01:07:22,319 --> 01:07:30,960
now. Anybody would like to speak. U
you're welcome to do so.

895
01:07:28,000 --> 01:07:35,440
Seeing no takers, we'll close the second
public comment period.

896
01:07:32,880 --> 01:07:38,160
» Move to adjourn.
>> Second.

897
01:07:36,559 --> 01:07:40,640
» Uh all in favor, please indicate by
saying I.

898
01:07:38,960 --> 01:07:44,976
» I I
thank you all.

899
01:07:42,160 --> 01:07:49,760
» Good job.
[cough and clears throat]

900
01:07:45,760 --> 01:07:49,760
» This is the angel. that actually.