1 00:01:56,479 --> 00:02:03,200 I'd like to call this meeting in order please. 2 00:02:00,799 --> 00:02:08,959 » Thank you. Um like to make an announcement to start with this uh this 3 00:02:05,840 --> 00:02:14,080 session will not be live recorded. Uh it will be uploaded tomorrow as we are 4 00:02:10,560 --> 00:02:18,319 having some technical difficulties. So for those that are here and wish to 5 00:02:16,080 --> 00:02:24,239 watch it again, you can watch it tomorrow when it will be uploaded. I'd 6 00:02:21,360 --> 00:02:28,080 like again call the meeting to order. Uh our regular meeting of January 21st, 7 00:02:26,400 --> 00:02:32,239 2026. And our first item would be to adopt the 8 00:02:30,720 --> 00:02:35,599 agenda. >> I moved by Harold Leavine, second by 9 00:02:33,920 --> 00:02:39,040 Moren McMillan. Be it resolved that council for the township of Kilu Hagerty 10 00:02:37,360 --> 00:02:44,400 and Richards hereby adopts the agenda for the regulars council meeting of 11 00:02:40,800 --> 00:02:49,360 January 21st 2026 as presented. >> All those in favor carried. 12 00:02:47,840 --> 00:02:52,959 Now our first nation's land acknowledgement. As we gather today, I 13 00:02:51,519 --> 00:02:56,879 would like to acknowledge on behalf of this committee and our community that we 14 00:02:55,120 --> 00:03:00,800 are meeting on the traditional territory of the Aangquin people. We would like to 15 00:02:59,120 --> 00:03:04,959 thank the Aangquin people and express our respect and support for their rich 16 00:03:02,800 --> 00:03:08,959 history. and we are extremely grateful for their many and continued displays of 17 00:03:06,879 --> 00:03:12,480 friendship. We also thank all the generations of people who have taken 18 00:03:10,560 --> 00:03:18,200 care of this land for thousands of years. And please join me in a moment of 19 00:03:14,879 --> 00:03:18,200 silent reflection. 20 00:03:26,400 --> 00:03:36,000 And thank you. And does anyone Oh, my mayor's address. So, some places that 21 00:03:34,159 --> 00:03:41,920 I've been at in the last couple of weeks, uh, January the 11th, I was had 22 00:03:39,120 --> 00:03:46,640 an interview on CHCR. That's our radio station for those who don't know. Uh, on 23 00:03:44,560 --> 00:03:50,319 the 14th of January, we had a county council meeting along with health, 24 00:03:48,959 --> 00:03:56,319 community services, and corporate service committees. 25 00:03:52,799 --> 00:04:02,159 Uh, the 15th, we had a public meeting and also our first staff budgeted 26 00:03:58,159 --> 00:04:08,720 meeting. And on the 17th, 18th, 19th, and 20th, uh, we had Roma and there was 27 00:04:05,680 --> 00:04:12,799 four of us that attended that event. And personally, I appreciate the opportunity 28 00:04:10,560 --> 00:04:16,160 to participate in this conference. It was great to advocate for our community 29 00:04:14,400 --> 00:04:20,079 and learn about opportunities that support rural municipalities. 30 00:04:18,560 --> 00:04:24,560 The best part of the conference is to mingle with similar municipalities that 31 00:04:21,919 --> 00:04:28,880 share the same uphill battles like less revenue and higher expenses. 32 00:04:27,120 --> 00:04:34,000 some of the key things of the conference. Um, first off, I want to 33 00:04:31,919 --> 00:04:40,320 congratulate the Roma board for listening to the members. Um, to what to 34 00:04:38,400 --> 00:04:45,440 include in their sessions. There was a lot of relevant things. Uh, I'm not 35 00:04:42,960 --> 00:04:50,960 saying all the presentations were great, but the question and answer period after 36 00:04:48,000 --> 00:04:56,800 those sessions were very informative and the involvement of people was really 37 00:04:53,120 --> 00:05:02,080 good. Uh some of the items that were that really hit home were uh there was a 38 00:04:59,600 --> 00:05:06,639 section called rural voices and it started off as one theme and ended up 39 00:05:04,080 --> 00:05:12,960 all talking about AI and the problems that our communities are being faced 40 00:05:08,720 --> 00:05:19,280 with with AI and uh it's really scary the days ahead. Another item was the 41 00:05:16,080 --> 00:05:24,160 costs of cemeteries. Uh, of course I would be remiss in not mentioning the 42 00:05:21,199 --> 00:05:29,120 Doug Ford speech, which I don't know who his script writer is, but uh, someone 43 00:05:26,240 --> 00:05:33,759 added humor to his speeches, which was it was really good and it shed a 44 00:05:31,039 --> 00:05:38,479 different light on how you perceive him. Um, 45 00:05:36,000 --> 00:05:43,680 this one will hit home to all of us. uh accur accurate information to residents 46 00:05:41,199 --> 00:05:48,240 and that evolved around what to do if you lose a newspaper and how do people 47 00:05:45,680 --> 00:05:52,639 communicate on a day-to-day basis with your residents and it was very 48 00:05:50,880 --> 00:05:59,680 informative I know Moren was there with me and uh I think Tammy was there maybe 49 00:05:56,320 --> 00:06:06,720 no I'm not sure anyways it was very very interesting uh also there was a session 50 00:06:02,880 --> 00:06:14,080 on aqua which was water and wastewater and uh the new code of conduct when and 51 00:06:10,080 --> 00:06:21,039 if it's ever going to come out. Um so on the also on the 20th last night um I was 52 00:06:17,680 --> 00:06:26,880 present to give out service awards for 5 years plus to all our firefighters which 53 00:06:23,039 --> 00:06:30,319 was a really good good night and you know you look at the service they 54 00:06:28,400 --> 00:06:34,960 provide for us and the protection they provide for us and we give them a plaque 55 00:06:32,560 --> 00:06:40,000 and a piece of pizza. So, uh, to put that in perspective, that was their 56 00:06:36,800 --> 00:06:45,199 thank you. But honestly, from wordswise, I congratulate them for what they did 57 00:06:41,919 --> 00:06:50,880 and how supportive of we are of them and how thankful we are that they put in the 58 00:06:47,039 --> 00:06:54,960 time to train to fight the battles. So, that was I wanted to make mention of 59 00:06:52,800 --> 00:07:01,120 that. And today, finally, we had our second staff budget meeting. And, uh, my 60 00:06:58,479 --> 00:07:05,360 last note is a reminder. snow fund starts January 26th and runs till 61 00:07:02,960 --> 00:07:12,000 February the 1st and hopefully everyone can support that event. 62 00:07:08,639 --> 00:07:18,280 Great. Um, at this time would Bill and Meen or Tammy like to elaborate on 63 00:07:14,720 --> 00:07:18,280 anything from Roma? 64 00:07:20,720 --> 00:07:26,080 » Sorry. Yeah, it's my fourth time attending the Rural Ontario Municipality 65 00:07:24,319 --> 00:07:32,000 Association conference and I think this one for me was the best one yet. uh lots 66 00:07:29,280 --> 00:07:39,680 of I I was in several of the sessions and that that uh the mayor spoke about. 67 00:07:35,520 --> 00:07:44,639 Um, I think it the one that was really interesting and a little bit of of a 68 00:07:41,520 --> 00:07:50,000 surprise and kind of out in left field uh was the very last one on the last day 69 00:07:48,000 --> 00:07:55,280 which was about building a more connected community. And it was really 70 00:07:52,000 --> 00:08:01,039 it talked about the uh the epidemic of loneliness across the world and how that 71 00:07:57,759 --> 00:08:06,240 impacts uh it it impacts our society in so many ways and it was a really just a 72 00:08:03,759 --> 00:08:10,800 feelood feel good way to end the the 3-day conference. So thanks for thanks 73 00:08:08,800 --> 00:08:13,840 for letting me go. >> Thanks Morin. 74 00:08:11,919 --> 00:08:18,160 » Yeah and I enjoyed it a lot. Everybody I met now knows where Kiloo is and Round 75 00:08:16,080 --> 00:08:24,560 Lake and Will know and they know that uh the Kiloo Sunrise originated from uh one 76 00:08:21,440 --> 00:08:29,599 of our small communities. Uh I did uh some good uh workshops on communication 77 00:08:26,960 --> 00:08:33,599 and infrastructure and how to get uh good messages, truthful messages out to 78 00:08:31,840 --> 00:08:37,760 our community. So I look forward to being able to do that in the next little 79 00:08:35,519 --> 00:08:43,839 while as budget is coming right up around the corner. So it's very timely. 80 00:08:41,919 --> 00:08:48,000 And does anyone have any pecunary or financial interest to declare? Having 81 00:08:46,080 --> 00:08:54,360 seen none, we'll move right into our delegations. Mr. Mr. Pton, please join 82 00:08:51,360 --> 00:08:54,360 us. 83 00:09:00,720 --> 00:09:06,240 » I did. Thank you for the extra information. 84 00:09:04,959 --> 00:09:09,360 » Good evening. My name is Michael Patrunic and I live in the old Caou 85 00:09:07,920 --> 00:09:15,440 neighborhood. Thank you for your time today. publicly addressed this concern. 86 00:09:12,399 --> 00:09:21,120 On August 24th, 2025, council passed bylaw 31, 2025 without public 87 00:09:18,240 --> 00:09:25,040 notification, consultation, and debate. This bylaw closed most of Greens and 88 00:09:23,120 --> 00:09:30,080 Sullivan's roads, which provide access to Silver Creek. I'm here to present a 89 00:09:27,680 --> 00:09:35,760 petition that request council amend the bylaw to make the road unmaintained as 90 00:09:32,720 --> 00:09:40,240 it once was and should still be. Before I present the signatures, I will review 91 00:09:37,680 --> 00:09:43,839 the meaning of closed and unmaintained, what a waterway and highway are, and 92 00:09:42,240 --> 00:09:50,240 provide a history of the road surveys for the Killer Loop Road, which is also 93 00:09:46,399 --> 00:09:53,680 known as Greens Road in Selenbrook. Um, I'll also raise questions about the 94 00:09:51,839 --> 00:09:58,480 process, the transparency, the benefits, and the cost of bylaw. 95 00:09:56,000 --> 00:10:03,040 Let's start with definitions. According to Canadian Oxford dictionary, closed, 96 00:10:00,640 --> 00:10:08,640 which is an adjective, means shut with nothing left open or not allowing public 97 00:10:05,920 --> 00:10:14,320 access. The last one seems important, not allowing public access. 98 00:10:11,519 --> 00:10:19,440 Unmaintained is an adjective that means not kept in proper or good condition. 99 00:10:17,200 --> 00:10:23,760 It's pretty easy. So, let's move to the rules. According to the Beds of 100 00:10:21,519 --> 00:10:28,480 Navigable Waters Act, waterways are owned by the Crown and Wright of Canada. 101 00:10:26,480 --> 00:10:32,800 According to the municipal act, a highway includes all road allowances 102 00:10:30,560 --> 00:10:38,959 made by the crown surveyors that are located in the municipality. 103 00:10:36,240 --> 00:10:42,240 It also states that a bylaw permanently closing a highway shall not be passed 104 00:10:40,720 --> 00:10:47,760 without the consent of the government of Canada if the highway abuts on land 105 00:10:45,279 --> 00:10:53,440 including land covered by water owned by the right sorry by the right sorry by 106 00:10:50,240 --> 00:10:57,040 the crown and right of Canada. Next I'm going to talk about road 107 00:10:54,720 --> 00:11:00,640 history. So if we look back to the 1860s, 108 00:10:58,640 --> 00:11:06,360 I was able to find a map that shows the original viup of the Hagerty Township. 109 00:11:08,560 --> 00:11:16,880 This includes uh who got which survey plot along with the waterways, the 110 00:11:14,640 --> 00:11:21,600 rights of ways for the planned uh railways and a tiny segment of road in 111 00:11:19,519 --> 00:11:26,480 red showing two acres that represents the origins of the kiloo roford road and 112 00:11:24,560 --> 00:11:32,560 some of which has been closed by this new bylaw 312025. 113 00:11:29,440 --> 00:11:37,760 I'm going to call this the OG survey. If we move forward about 20 years to 114 00:11:35,200 --> 00:11:41,800 1878 when the council at the time created bylaw 18 115 00:11:48,880 --> 00:11:52,519 this is by lighting 116 00:11:53,120 --> 00:12:00,079 a survey defining the entirety of the road from just north of the mill 117 00:11:57,360 --> 00:12:05,760 following a path with many curves hills and crossing silver creek all as it 118 00:12:02,560 --> 00:12:10,200 winds its way south to the town line. I will call this the confirmation survey. 119 00:12:11,360 --> 00:12:21,160 About 50 years later, as part of a government survey in 1935, a map of the 120 00:12:16,160 --> 00:12:21,160 Golden Lake area was published in 1937. 121 00:12:24,560 --> 00:12:28,680 This is a segment of that there. 122 00:12:29,360 --> 00:12:37,360 This map clearly shows the full Killer Roachford road as traveled. I will call 123 00:12:34,399 --> 00:12:41,200 this the asbuilt survey. That is three crown surveys showing the 124 00:12:39,360 --> 00:12:46,800 Killer Roachford road that we now know as Greens Road and Faliban's road. This 125 00:12:43,839 --> 00:12:51,120 road also crosses Silver Creek or Silver Lake Creek. It's known by both names. 126 00:12:49,279 --> 00:12:55,200 Silver Creek is fed by Silver Lake upstream and flows into the old Kilaloo 127 00:12:53,120 --> 00:12:58,800 Pond, making it owned by the Crown and Wright of Canada and therefore subject 128 00:12:56,800 --> 00:13:02,000 to its processes which include elements related to public notice and 129 00:13:00,000 --> 00:13:06,560 consultation. None of this appears to have been done. 130 00:13:04,639 --> 00:13:10,040 I also found a story from the Eganville leader from 1964. 131 00:13:10,160 --> 00:13:18,240 It's called the old road. Those who built it have gone their sorry have gone 132 00:13:15,600 --> 00:13:22,399 to the rest many long years ago. For the old road is almost 100 years old and was 133 00:13:20,800 --> 00:13:26,880 among the first roads to be built in Hagerty Township. Built from Roachford 134 00:13:24,959 --> 00:13:31,120 to old Kilaloo, a distance of about 3 miles, it served the people of 135 00:13:28,800 --> 00:13:35,839 Roachford, South Alona, Cormarmac, and Bruinell for a long period of time. The 136 00:13:34,240 --> 00:13:39,839 men who built it followed a straight line from Roachford for about a mile, 137 00:13:38,160 --> 00:13:44,560 but apparently decided to follow the path of least resistance, and the result 138 00:13:42,480 --> 00:13:49,760 was a winding road with many twists and turns. Midway between Roachford and Old 139 00:13:47,519 --> 00:13:53,200 Kiddoo is the Green's farm. A farm cleared out of the virgin forest by 140 00:13:51,440 --> 00:13:57,920 Christopher Green. At the north end of the farm is a bridge spanning Silver 141 00:13:55,279 --> 00:14:02,480 Lake Creek. And here in the springtime, people would come for miles to catch 142 00:14:00,000 --> 00:14:06,959 suckers. Arriving a little before dark, they would build a fire and remain until 143 00:14:04,800 --> 00:14:11,519 late into the night. Under the bridge, planks were laid across some logs a few 144 00:14:09,279 --> 00:14:16,160 inches above water. When the darkness came, the fishermen would lie down on 145 00:14:13,680 --> 00:14:20,800 these often wet plains, put their arms down into the cold spring water, and 146 00:14:18,000 --> 00:14:24,000 catch sucker by hand. One windy night, they failed to put out the fire. The 147 00:14:22,480 --> 00:14:27,000 next morning, the bridge was smoldering ruins. 148 00:14:27,199 --> 00:14:33,760 In the rapids below the bridge, there was abundance of trout, and in those 149 00:14:31,519 --> 00:14:38,160 far-off days, there never seemed to be a small one. It was just above the bridge 150 00:14:35,920 --> 00:14:42,399 that Tom Ruddy, one autumn day, killed two otter with a single shot. 151 00:14:40,399 --> 00:14:47,600 This creek was the scene of a drive each spring for many years. First square 152 00:14:44,560 --> 00:14:51,760 timber, later saw logs. At one time, a dam extended from the bridge for about 153 00:14:49,199 --> 00:14:57,120 a/4 mile holding back an immense head of water. A little way from the road, the 154 00:14:54,480 --> 00:15:01,040 bridge, a road led to the Ruddy's farm. Here, William Ruddy lived and raised a 155 00:14:59,040 --> 00:15:04,399 large family. One of his sons cleared the farm further down the road, and 156 00:15:02,800 --> 00:15:08,800 these three families, the Ruddies and the Greens, were the only ones to live 157 00:15:05,920 --> 00:15:13,120 beside the old road. About half a mile from the bridge, you come to the crooked 158 00:15:10,800 --> 00:15:16,959 hill. It would seem to have been easier to build the road almost straight down 159 00:15:14,720 --> 00:15:21,279 this rather long hill, but the builders decided to make it crooked and succeeded 160 00:15:18,959 --> 00:15:25,600 very well. This crooked hill so intrigued a young girl, Pat Green, now a 161 00:15:23,519 --> 00:15:30,480 missionary sister in Japan, that she composed a poem about it. The hill was 162 00:15:28,320 --> 00:15:35,120 particularly straightened, sorry, partly straightened some years ago. The road 163 00:15:33,040 --> 00:15:39,920 led on over hills and valleys to the thriving picturesque village of Kiloo. 164 00:15:38,079 --> 00:15:44,480 That was many years before the advent of the railway, before there was any killer 165 00:15:42,240 --> 00:15:49,120 station. Many persons ranking high in church and state once traveled this 166 00:15:46,160 --> 00:15:53,360 road. In those years, long past and gone, traffic was heavy on the old road. 167 00:15:51,519 --> 00:15:58,160 In the winter, you could hear the music of sleigh bells at almost any hour of 168 00:15:55,920 --> 00:16:01,839 the day or night. It began to be called the old road when another road was built 169 00:16:00,160 --> 00:16:07,279 from the western end of Roachford to Killoop. This road, now part of Highway 170 00:16:04,160 --> 00:16:12,079 512, was paved some years ago. Then the traffic almost ceased on the old road. 171 00:16:09,759 --> 00:16:17,680 The buddies have long since gone and for a time people called it the greens road. 172 00:16:14,880 --> 00:16:22,160 Martin Garvey in his song of old Killoo has some lines about this road which he 173 00:16:19,920 --> 00:16:27,360 calls Green Valley Road. And now the Greens have also gone. And the old road 174 00:16:25,199 --> 00:16:31,839 lies silent and peaceful, rarely being used by anyone. A kindly road in all its 175 00:16:29,920 --> 00:16:35,600 years. There never was an accident on it. The birds still sing from the 176 00:16:33,519 --> 00:16:40,320 treetops. Rabbits and partridge come to its side. The beavers, after an absence 177 00:16:37,839 --> 00:16:45,199 of 70 years, have once again taken over the creek and marshlands. Beside its 178 00:16:43,199 --> 00:16:50,160 bank, the rust muskrats build their domes. The scenery along this woodland 179 00:16:48,000 --> 00:16:55,680 road, especially in the autumn, is as beautiful as the eye wish for it. Here, 180 00:16:52,800 --> 00:17:00,480 all is serene, quiet, beautiful. At times in the far off distance, you may 181 00:16:57,839 --> 00:17:04,720 hear the blare of horns. Um, as cars and trucks travel the harsh 182 00:17:03,120 --> 00:17:07,760 pavement. >> Excuse me, Mike. 183 00:17:06,000 --> 00:17:12,000 » How often I've traveled it by day and by night and love every foot of it. 184 00:17:09,439 --> 00:17:16,160 Sometimes I still travel it. And as you once more walk over its hills and 185 00:17:13,839 --> 00:17:19,919 valleys, the old road seems to welcome you. Glad that someone is using it. 186 00:17:18,079 --> 00:17:26,319 Mike, this is from Kill Ontario. >> You got three minutes. Three minutes and 187 00:17:22,480 --> 00:17:26,319 you're No problem. Okay. 188 00:17:28,160 --> 00:17:33,600 That there just provides some providence to the road. So if I focus on the bylaw, 189 00:17:32,160 --> 00:17:37,679 the bylaw is for the assumption and dedication of a road with the road's 190 00:17:35,440 --> 00:17:40,320 name unsaid. If this was a public interest, why was there not more 191 00:17:38,960 --> 00:17:43,039 celebrated announcement letting them know that you were improving the 192 00:17:41,600 --> 00:17:46,799 township? Or was there something the council wanted to keep quiet? Hiding 193 00:17:44,960 --> 00:17:50,880 within it was a single word that removes the public right to access most of the 194 00:17:48,559 --> 00:17:54,240 road. Closed. Item three states that the corporation 195 00:17:52,480 --> 00:17:59,280 of the township of Kiluhagy Richards confirms that any lands contained within 196 00:17:56,160 --> 00:18:05,039 pin number 57515-000093 of the land titles east of parts one and 197 00:18:01,360 --> 00:18:08,160 two of survey 49R20598 which are vested in the corporation of 198 00:18:06,480 --> 00:18:11,760 the township of Kiler Hegy Richard which would be considered a public highway 199 00:18:09,600 --> 00:18:16,240 remain closed as covered earlier the word closed means not allowing public 200 00:18:13,600 --> 00:18:19,760 access any spoken word by the town today or anytime suggesting closed means 201 00:18:17,919 --> 00:18:23,360 otherwise is meaningless the town's position can changed without notice. 202 00:18:21,520 --> 00:18:28,080 Remember, closed means not allowing public access. The bylaw seems to be a 203 00:18:25,840 --> 00:18:31,280 little bit little benefit to the town. Before the new road was surveyed, the 204 00:18:30,080 --> 00:18:35,120 road was wide enough to handle occasional passing traffic with a solid 205 00:18:32,960 --> 00:18:40,559 base to be driven on year round, even on a lowered Civic or a transport truck 206 00:18:36,720 --> 00:18:44,480 with a trailer. Um, now about the survey. The new survey identifies the 207 00:18:42,640 --> 00:18:48,799 route does not even identify the route of the original road. Uh, one would 208 00:18:46,880 --> 00:18:52,160 expect it to be the master, but instead it identifies fence lines were probably 209 00:18:50,640 --> 00:18:56,799 built by a farm in the path of lease resistance rather than a long surveyed 210 00:18:54,240 --> 00:19:00,480 post. Uh, this makes the new road wider than the old survey. Was an evaluation 211 00:18:58,480 --> 00:19:04,160 done regarding the land the town was expropriating? 212 00:19:02,000 --> 00:19:08,240 Uh, part of that last two questions stem from the fact that town managed the 213 00:19:06,400 --> 00:19:12,240 southern section of the road uh, the Sullivan side differently. At that end, 214 00:19:10,640 --> 00:19:16,000 the town has allowed an adjacent land owner to claim some of the survey 215 00:19:13,760 --> 00:19:19,840 traveled road by erecting new fences and a line of boulders obstructing passage 216 00:19:18,000 --> 00:19:24,400 down the traveled road. What are the costs of these bylaws? Were there direct 217 00:19:22,320 --> 00:19:28,240 dollar costs for the process and creating the road and maintaining the 218 00:19:25,760 --> 00:19:32,480 road and legal stuff going forward? Did this bylaw add to the tax base or 219 00:19:30,160 --> 00:19:36,720 distract by adding more costs? And what about the cultural costs? With everyone 220 00:19:34,880 --> 00:19:40,640 losing access to history, nature and waterways, these costs can never be 221 00:19:38,799 --> 00:19:43,919 recovered. To summarize, birds are important and closed and unmaintained 222 00:19:42,400 --> 00:19:48,960 have specific uses when it comes to roads. We must use them properly. The 223 00:19:46,720 --> 00:19:52,720 killer of Roachford Road, Greens Road, Sullivan's road, and Silver Creek have 224 00:19:50,480 --> 00:19:55,440 long recognized history and meet the definitions set up by the provincial and 225 00:19:54,240 --> 00:20:00,440 federal acts and should be handled accordingly with greater public notice 226 00:19:57,200 --> 00:20:00,440 and transparency. 227 00:20:01,919 --> 00:20:08,640 This leads me to the purpose of me being here today. I've circulated a petition 228 00:20:05,600 --> 00:20:11,919 calling for the amendment bylaw 31-2025 to remove the word closed at the end of 229 00:20:10,559 --> 00:20:16,320 section 3 and replace it with unmaintained. It has 83 signatures on it 230 00:20:14,720 --> 00:20:20,000 of adult residents and land owners in the Kilu Heaggedy Richards with close to 231 00:20:18,320 --> 00:20:23,679 unanimous support from Old Killoo where the roads located. If more signatures 232 00:20:22,000 --> 00:20:28,159 are required, what number is needed for you to do your review? Please review and 233 00:20:25,840 --> 00:20:32,080 genuinely consider this request's change in a way that keeps the public aware. If 234 00:20:30,720 --> 00:20:36,240 you have any questions, I'd be happy to answer them now. Sorry for the length. 235 00:20:34,320 --> 00:20:41,720 » Thank you, Mike. And uh I'll open it up to council now for any questions and 236 00:20:37,760 --> 00:20:41,720 we'll start down here. Herold 237 00:20:42,000 --> 00:20:47,679 » thanks. >> I just had I just wanted to just just 238 00:20:46,159 --> 00:20:51,360 for like public awareness because I know you did receive a letter from our CEO. 239 00:20:50,080 --> 00:20:54,880 So, I just want to read a part of it just so everybody just maybe it helps a 240 00:20:54,080 --> 00:20:57,120 better understanding >> because I mean I 241 00:20:55,760 --> 00:21:01,440 » No, just a just >> just a little. It's uh please note that 242 00:20:59,600 --> 00:21:04,400 whether the applicable lands were considered unmaintained instead of 243 00:21:02,880 --> 00:21:07,760 closed, the township would still not be maintaining the lands. If you're 244 00:21:06,880 --> 00:21:12,880 » maintain the land, >> I'm just let me finish please. Sorry. Uh 245 00:21:10,240 --> 00:21:16,080 if closed results in proh or if your concern is that the status of closed 246 00:21:14,320 --> 00:21:19,760 results in prohibiting public access access to township lands, please note 247 00:21:18,320 --> 00:21:23,760 that the township generally does not actively prohibit public access to 248 00:21:22,240 --> 00:21:27,840 either its closed roads, its unmaintained roads, or its unopen road 249 00:21:25,679 --> 00:21:32,400 allowances. However, any public entry onto these lands and use of these lands 250 00:21:29,600 --> 00:21:35,360 is at an individual's own risk. It is also fully the responsibility of the 251 00:21:33,919 --> 00:21:39,520 private individuals to ensure they are not trespassing on private properties. 252 00:21:37,120 --> 00:21:41,600 So, I just wanted to read that just just to help 253 00:21:40,720 --> 00:21:43,679 » question. >> No, 254 00:21:42,080 --> 00:21:46,720 » no, we can we can't answer questions. I just wanted to read that just 255 00:21:44,880 --> 00:21:49,440 » May I respond to your public >> because this was supposed to be a 256 00:21:48,000 --> 00:21:51,200 question and you've decided to just read something. 257 00:21:49,679 --> 00:21:54,080 » No, no, no. It's just for public information. 258 00:21:51,919 --> 00:21:59,200 » Public information as I said earlier closed has a specific definition and the 259 00:21:57,200 --> 00:22:04,960 whims of the township have changed here and there. I remember a day when they 260 00:22:01,120 --> 00:22:10,000 wanted street lights in old Kiloo. So anyways, uh we'll move along here. 261 00:22:06,880 --> 00:22:14,159 And uh Brian, do you have any questions? Brian, do you have any questions? 262 00:22:12,400 --> 00:22:17,159 Carl, >> Ted, 263 00:22:17,360 --> 00:22:21,280 » what's landlock land, Mike? >> Well, I like to purchase. I have a 264 00:22:20,640 --> 00:22:27,200 chance to fall. >> I have you have to go through him. So 265 00:22:25,200 --> 00:22:30,400 » that's true. >> I believe you're referring to there are 266 00:22:28,799 --> 00:22:34,799 properties back there that have lost access to portions of the property 267 00:22:32,240 --> 00:22:38,320 because of this bylaw. And accordingly from what I read from your other bylaws, 268 00:22:36,640 --> 00:22:42,240 it costs a few hundred dollars if they want to get access to that to be able to 269 00:22:40,400 --> 00:22:46,240 do improvements on it. And those would have to be renewed on a regular basis. 270 00:22:44,240 --> 00:22:49,120 As I said earlier, closed means closed. It's a real definition. Fix the bylaw, 271 00:22:48,320 --> 00:22:56,080 please. >> So what Marine just read is right from 272 00:22:51,760 --> 00:22:58,080 our legal counsel. And >> now 273 00:22:56,559 --> 00:23:04,480 » as the township >> when he stopped anybody 274 00:23:01,360 --> 00:23:09,760 » from using a closed road before so why would we start now? 275 00:23:05,840 --> 00:23:14,400 » Uh again your whims can change. Laws are laws and they're written in a specific 276 00:23:11,360 --> 00:23:18,960 way to mean certain things. Add the word unmaintained and the law is fine. It 277 00:23:17,039 --> 00:23:24,640 means you didn't close off public access to a federal waterway. 278 00:23:21,760 --> 00:23:30,280 I have to take the advice of our solicitor and he's saying there is no 279 00:23:27,280 --> 00:23:30,280 difference. 280 00:23:31,360 --> 00:23:37,679 » Can you uh forward something more official than you just telling me this 281 00:23:35,919 --> 00:23:41,679 or your little letter? Cuz you you're you're telling me there's no difference. 282 00:23:39,440 --> 00:23:44,559 But if I go back there and I'm charged to have the police show up, am I 283 00:23:43,200 --> 00:23:49,120 supposed to show them a map and say, "Look, I'm on the road." 284 00:23:47,360 --> 00:23:53,760 » Well, that that's all there is. There's a map. There is a there is a three 285 00:23:51,200 --> 00:23:56,880 survey. So the town said we don't know where the borders are. 286 00:23:55,280 --> 00:24:02,320 » I don't understand how the town cannot know where the borders are when there 287 00:23:58,480 --> 00:24:05,760 are three government surveys. >> So what are you saying if the police 288 00:24:04,240 --> 00:24:08,320 » I'm saying I've had the police called on me for trespassing on this road in the 289 00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:11,360 past? >> Not by the township. 290 00:24:09,120 --> 00:24:14,159 » Multiple times. No, by adjacent land owners. I've been assaulted by adjacent 291 00:24:13,440 --> 00:24:19,120 land owners. >> Yeah. And since the township refuses to 292 00:24:17,360 --> 00:24:21,600 take ownership of the road, those charges were dropped. 293 00:24:20,799 --> 00:24:26,080 » Yeah. >> Now, if does the township own the road 294 00:24:23,760 --> 00:24:29,679 or not? >> They do own the road. Yes. 295 00:24:27,679 --> 00:24:31,840 » Then where is it? >> It's up there. 296 00:24:30,400 --> 00:24:35,760 » Is it open or closed? >> It's closed. 297 00:24:32,720 --> 00:24:39,120 » Then closed means no trespassing. >> See, we're just going to keep arguing 298 00:24:37,840 --> 00:24:43,520 here. So, am I >> How many How many signatures? 299 00:24:40,559 --> 00:24:47,279 » I told you what our solicitor said. >> I hear you. And he said, "You can go on 300 00:24:45,840 --> 00:24:51,039 that road if you want." >> And I say, 301 00:24:47,760 --> 00:24:53,279 » "And it's up to you." Well, >> then if you don't believe him, that's 302 00:24:52,480 --> 00:24:54,559 your problem. >> Charged. 303 00:24:53,760 --> 00:24:58,480 » That's your problem. >> Do I come back with trespass charges? 304 00:24:57,039 --> 00:25:03,520 There've been trespass charges laid already this year for that road. 305 00:25:01,200 --> 00:25:07,200 » Not from the township. Not if you're on You must have been on somebody. Whoever 306 00:25:05,600 --> 00:25:09,279 was charged was on somebody else's propert. 307 00:25:08,240 --> 00:25:13,360 » I think you need to do some more investigating. 308 00:25:11,279 --> 00:25:16,320 » How can somebody be charged? How can somebody be charged if they're on 309 00:25:14,720 --> 00:25:20,559 township property and township? >> How come they block the road? Then the 310 00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:22,720 road's blocked in multiple locations and the township is not doing anything about 311 00:25:22,159 --> 00:25:28,640 it. >> And I don't I told you in discussions 312 00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:32,960 that we are trying to do something about >> you 313 00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:36,720 have it in your head listen to you being closed. You're doing nothing. You're 314 00:25:34,880 --> 00:25:40,400 actually working backwards against the people for the right to access public 315 00:25:38,960 --> 00:25:42,159 property. See, 316 00:25:40,720 --> 00:25:45,600 » how many signatures do you want for me to readress this publicly? 317 00:25:43,520 --> 00:25:49,440 » I don't care private debate. 318 00:25:47,440 --> 00:25:52,400 » We're telling you you can use the road and you're still not happy. So, what do 319 00:25:51,279 --> 00:25:57,679 you want us to do? >> I want you to change the bylaw. So, the 320 00:25:54,080 --> 00:26:03,279 bylaw says I can use the road. >> We're telling you you can use the road. 321 00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:10,400 Our solicitor is telling you tell her to stop. Excuse me. It's not 322 00:26:06,159 --> 00:26:17,200 open to public. Uh, Mr. Peternic asked for the uh, legal opinion to be 323 00:26:13,840 --> 00:26:23,279 released. I'm I think it would >> makes sense for this council to consider 324 00:26:19,279 --> 00:26:26,240 releasing all or part of that letter. >> Before we do that, I'd like to ask the 325 00:26:24,880 --> 00:26:28,720 CEO if it's permissible. >> Yeah. No, I mean it's something for 326 00:26:27,840 --> 00:26:30,799 council to consider. >> Why is everyone hiding behind 327 00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:34,960 everything? >> Why can't we just have public discussion 328 00:26:32,559 --> 00:26:38,559 about you guys closing public access? Closed is a real word. 329 00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:41,120 » Dr. your solicitor smart. >> Pardon? 330 00:26:39,120 --> 00:26:44,880 » Talk to your solicitor tomorrow. Closed is a real word. 331 00:26:42,480 --> 00:26:49,360 » Well, we have issu we have talked with the solicitor and there was supposed to 332 00:26:46,240 --> 00:26:54,000 been a letter written to you >> and as said they but I was 333 00:26:52,080 --> 00:26:57,840 » so they they said, "Oh, closed doesn't mean closed since when are you the 334 00:26:55,760 --> 00:27:01,679 dictionary? When do you as a township define what words mean?" 335 00:26:59,840 --> 00:27:04,960 » I think it'll be cleared up. I know you don't believe us, but I think if you 336 00:27:03,279 --> 00:27:11,520 read the same letter from the lawyer that I read two weeks ago or a week ago 337 00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:15,200 when we had when it came up that uh that perhaps you might be convinced if you 338 00:27:13,600 --> 00:27:18,159 don't listen to us and you don't listen to the lawyer. Well, 339 00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:22,640 » I'll get my lawyer. We can get our own lawyer. It's 340 00:27:19,600 --> 00:27:28,880 » absolutely 100% who is opposed to the actions you took in our neighborhood 341 00:27:24,400 --> 00:27:34,360 without letting us know. Mhm. >> Does council have anything else to uh 342 00:27:31,360 --> 00:27:34,360 say? 343 00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:44,600 » Here's the signature so far. I'll continue to circulate that. 344 00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:44,600 » Okay. Thank you, Mike. 345 00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:54,960 Now we'll move on to the minutes of the previous meeting. 346 00:27:53,120 --> 00:27:58,279 Regular council meeting of January 6th, open session. 347 00:27:58,480 --> 00:28:04,480 » Moved by Brian Picoski, second by Bill Smith. Motion to approve the minutes of 348 00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:09,360 the regular council meeting of January 6th, 2026, open session. 349 00:28:07,120 --> 00:28:12,919 » Questions or discussion? All those in favor? Carried. 350 00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:23,600 And when the whole meeting of December the 9th, 2025, open session. Moved by 351 00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:26,240 Moren McMillan, second by Harold Lavine. Motion to approve the minutes of the 352 00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:33,279 committee of the whole meeting of December 9th, 2025 open session. 353 00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:38,600 » Uh questions or concerns? Having seen none. All those in favor? He 354 00:28:38,799 --> 00:28:43,919 committee of adjustment January 13th open session? 355 00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:47,760 » Moved by Moren McMillan, second by Harold Lavine. Motion to approve the 356 00:28:45,520 --> 00:28:51,919 minutes of the committee of adjustment meeting of January 13, 2026, open 357 00:28:50,640 --> 00:28:57,960 session. >> Questions or discussion? All those in 358 00:28:54,240 --> 00:28:57,960 favor? Carried. 359 00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:04,520 » Oh, yes. 360 00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:10,039 » Carl needs to sign it. 361 00:29:21,120 --> 00:29:26,600 Does anyone have any comments in regards to the upcoming meetings? 362 00:29:27,760 --> 00:29:39,120 Um, examining the road and general vouchure 12 2025 questions. Bill 363 00:29:37,039 --> 00:29:42,360 » 27983 and 2784 364 00:29:45,919 --> 00:29:52,520 » second page >> the two $3,000 charges 365 00:29:56,159 --> 00:30:03,679 I just sign I know one was for salt I think or gravel 366 00:30:00,880 --> 00:30:06,240 » no one are you talking about 83 and 84 >> yeah 83 and 84 I just signed one 367 00:30:05,840 --> 00:30:09,840 tonight. >> Winter sand. And both both of them are 368 00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:12,559 for winter sand. >> Oh, okay. 369 00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:14,000 » And the bottom one is for winter sand as well. 370 00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:18,240 » The bottom. >> Is that their land owner? 371 00:30:16,080 --> 00:30:23,399 » Yes. >> Is that because they're land owners? 372 00:30:20,159 --> 00:30:23,399 » Yes, because 373 00:30:23,520 --> 00:30:27,159 » they own the pit. 374 00:30:28,159 --> 00:30:34,240 » No, >> you disappoint me, 375 00:30:32,399 --> 00:30:41,279 Brian. Okay, we're good. 376 00:30:37,520 --> 00:30:44,760 And uh services committee reports. Now we'll move to correspondence. 377 00:30:45,919 --> 00:30:50,840 City of Peterborough sustainable police funding. 378 00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:59,360 » You supporting this >> unless you want to. 379 00:30:56,960 --> 00:31:04,640 » If you want to. It was for discussion. >> That's funding. So that sounds 380 00:31:02,399 --> 00:31:08,320 » reasonable for when I read it. >> That's what I thought first. When I read 381 00:31:06,399 --> 00:31:10,559 it, I believe that it's >> it's only a section. 382 00:31:09,279 --> 00:31:13,760 » It's not OP, but it's >> it's a section 383 00:31:11,279 --> 00:31:17,080 » sustainable funding for >> local police. 384 00:31:17,120 --> 00:31:24,480 Okay. Okay. >> So, I didn't that's why I didn't ask. 385 00:31:21,919 --> 00:31:30,320 » Uh town of Prescott robust recycling program. Uh did everyone read this? I 386 00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:33,360 thought this one might be a one for a resolution. 387 00:31:32,799 --> 00:31:36,360 Carl, >> that's 388 00:31:38,080 --> 00:31:43,440 too much going in the ground, right? >> Harold, you're okay with that one? 389 00:31:43,120 --> 00:31:47,279 » Yeah. >> Okay, good. 390 00:31:45,519 --> 00:31:50,279 » We'll bring it back next week or two weeks. 391 00:31:52,559 --> 00:31:58,679 Uh, Eeyorn monthly update December 2025. 392 00:32:01,519 --> 00:32:08,760 Thank you note from the will well no rink committee. 393 00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:08,760 That was very nice. 394 00:32:13,039 --> 00:32:19,360 Stats Canada is hiring for the 2026 census. 395 00:32:17,360 --> 00:32:24,240 » For people who might be looking for some part-time employment, but Stats can is 396 00:32:22,159 --> 00:32:29,600 hiring right now for for the upcoming election. And actually, they're I don't 397 00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:32,799 want to they're not re I don't want to use the word desperate, but this is the 398 00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:38,000 third time this has come across the desk. And I think they're really looking 399 00:32:35,120 --> 00:32:43,559 for people to help. So, if you want to and earn a few extra 400 00:32:39,919 --> 00:32:43,559 bucks, by all means, 401 00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:49,559 EOWC a news release. 402 00:32:54,559 --> 00:33:02,519 Uh, next one is MMA, Police Services Board Budgets. 403 00:33:02,559 --> 00:33:07,519 No doubt councelor McMillan, you read this very thoroughly. 404 00:33:08,559 --> 00:33:13,640 We did include this a budget for you. >> Yeah. 405 00:33:15,440 --> 00:33:21,679 » And the Ministry of the Attorney General updates to tailgate event permits and 406 00:33:19,919 --> 00:33:29,760 Bill would like to speak to that. >> So, this is a this is a really 407 00:33:23,760 --> 00:33:35,919 interesting update. Uh there was a a a thing a license for what they call the 408 00:33:32,799 --> 00:33:41,120 tailgate party. uh they're changing that to the uh bring your own event and what 409 00:33:39,039 --> 00:33:46,640 they said. Uh so there's we're going to be able to get events licensed for bring 410 00:33:44,399 --> 00:33:50,480 your own events if they're cultural or communitywide events that are sponsored 411 00:33:48,559 --> 00:33:55,200 by the municipality. The reason I'm speaking about it is 412 00:33:52,159 --> 00:33:59,360 because I think that uh that opens up lots of possibilities for different 413 00:33:57,279 --> 00:34:02,720 kinds of for for other groups to approach us and say, "Hey, we'd like to 414 00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:08,560 do this kind of an art festival or this kind of a dinner a dinner or what 415 00:34:05,919 --> 00:34:14,320 whatever it happens to be." But it's now going to be legal as of October or April 416 00:34:11,200 --> 00:34:18,560 30th for people to apply for a bring your own event to a cultural or 417 00:34:16,480 --> 00:34:22,320 community event. So, what I what I've done, I've 418 00:34:20,079 --> 00:34:26,720 forwarded this on to Colton and Tammy, of course, and uh to let his mind go 419 00:34:25,119 --> 00:34:32,399 thinking about different things and to source out different people to maybe be 420 00:34:29,440 --> 00:34:36,159 interested in it. And I think it's it can be really a fun thing, I think. So, 421 00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:41,200 we'll see how it works. >> There's a possibility that sometime in 422 00:34:38,240 --> 00:34:43,359 the future, an event like the Irish gathering could be a bring your own 423 00:34:42,879 --> 00:34:47,919 event. >> Yeah. you know, so 424 00:34:46,240 --> 00:34:53,359 » maybe not change the name of it to a tailgate event, but we could 425 00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:56,879 » getting rid of tailgate. >> Okay, next one is from Town of Elmer. 426 00:34:55,359 --> 00:35:02,200 Support for the city of Wellland's call to action for justice and protection of 427 00:34:58,720 --> 00:35:02,200 Canada's children. 428 00:35:03,839 --> 00:35:12,160 And there is another EOWC news release. 429 00:35:09,839 --> 00:35:16,839 Okay, good. And now we're going to move on to 430 00:35:13,839 --> 00:35:16,839 bylaws. 431 00:35:16,880 --> 00:35:21,760 Tammy, did you before we get to the bylaws, did you want to read something 432 00:35:19,839 --> 00:35:24,320 off in regards to that one letter that came? 433 00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:28,280 » Um, not from the first bylaw. >> Not from the first one. Okay. 434 00:35:28,480 --> 00:35:35,160 So, yeah. Right. So, the first bylaw is bylaw number 6-2026. 435 00:35:35,680 --> 00:35:40,160 Do you want me to read it or are you going to read it? 436 00:35:37,680 --> 00:35:45,760 » Uh, moved by Bill Smith, second by Ted Brown. That bylaw number 06206 being a 437 00:35:43,599 --> 00:35:49,920 bylaw authorizing the execution of an Ontario fire protection grant transfer 438 00:35:47,680 --> 00:35:53,280 payment agreement between his majesty the king and right of Ontario and the 439 00:35:51,680 --> 00:35:58,480 municipal corporation of the township of Hillary and Richards be given its first, 440 00:35:56,000 --> 00:36:02,400 second and third reading and fi uh finally passed this 21st day of January 441 00:36:00,640 --> 00:36:08,839 2026. >> Questions discussion all those in favor? 442 00:36:05,839 --> 00:36:08,839 Carrie. 443 00:36:34,720 --> 00:36:42,160 Now I'll ask that question. Did you want to read something? 444 00:36:37,920 --> 00:36:46,960 Um so uh before the next uh resolution is read um putting um um bringing 445 00:36:45,040 --> 00:36:52,400 forward the bylaw to put the two questions to the electors on uh the 446 00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:56,079 ballot. Um um Connie Mask wrote an email. She did 447 00:36:54,640 --> 00:36:59,599 ask a question at the meeting and she followed up with an email. So I'll just 448 00:36:57,520 --> 00:37:02,880 read her email. Um good evening and thank you for providing the opportunity 449 00:37:01,119 --> 00:37:06,400 to learn more about the upcoming questions for the 2026 meeting split 450 00:37:04,640 --> 00:37:10,160 election. After the recent public meeting, I felt it is not fully 451 00:37:08,240 --> 00:37:13,280 articulate my primary concern and I would like to offer further 452 00:37:11,599 --> 00:37:17,520 clarification. My concern is that the voters are being asked on two to 453 00:37:15,920 --> 00:37:21,440 interconnected matters without knowing the outcome of one or the other. For 454 00:37:19,599 --> 00:37:25,760 instance, a voter might support reducing council to four counselors and one mayor 455 00:37:23,680 --> 00:37:29,760 only if the current ward system remains without knowing the outcome of the ward 456 00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:33,040 versus at large vote. that same voter might feel forced to vote against 457 00:37:31,119 --> 00:37:37,920 council reductions simply to avoid the risk of an unfavorable combination. To 458 00:37:35,359 --> 00:37:43,040 resolve this ambiguity, I suggest um splitting the proposal into 459 00:37:40,880 --> 00:37:46,560 three specific questions. Are you in favor of abolishing the current board 460 00:37:44,640 --> 00:37:50,400 system in the township of Ku Hagerty and Richards? Are you in favor of reducing 461 00:37:48,560 --> 00:37:54,320 the size of council to four counselors and one mayor if the current board 462 00:37:52,079 --> 00:37:58,400 system is abolished? Are you in favor of reducing the side of CA size of council 463 00:37:56,160 --> 00:38:02,400 to four counselors and one mayor if the current ward system remains in place? I 464 00:38:00,720 --> 00:38:05,839 have not yet made a final decision on these issues and look forward to 465 00:38:04,079 --> 00:38:09,680 conducting more research and attending information sessions over the next eight 466 00:38:07,520 --> 00:38:13,680 months. However, providing this level of clarity on the ballot would ensure that 467 00:38:11,440 --> 00:38:17,359 voters like myself can express a preference that accurately reflects our 468 00:38:15,599 --> 00:38:21,520 vision for the township. Thank you for your time and consideration considering 469 00:38:19,760 --> 00:38:25,839 this feedback. Best regards, Connie Matz. Yes. Does anyone have any 470 00:38:24,400 --> 00:38:30,240 discussion? >> I can comment on that. I thought about 471 00:38:27,680 --> 00:38:36,800 it because I I think that it's a really interesting uh like I get her point. I 472 00:38:33,760 --> 00:38:43,040 think it's really an interesting point, but I I'm afraid that if we put those 473 00:38:41,200 --> 00:38:49,839 three questions on the ballot that none of them would get past the 50% in order 474 00:38:46,960 --> 00:38:57,200 to make the uh it would water down the choices. And if we don't get 50% on on 475 00:38:54,560 --> 00:39:02,480 any of them, then council isn't compelled to move forward with with the 476 00:38:59,520 --> 00:39:08,480 thing with a decision to follow the advice of of the people. And we'd be 477 00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:11,520 back the next council would be in the same position of saying, well, some 478 00:39:09,920 --> 00:39:16,640 people want it and some people don't. And and if we keep the questions, in my 479 00:39:14,560 --> 00:39:20,640 opinion, if we keep the questions, do you want award system? Do you want four 480 00:39:18,160 --> 00:39:27,200 or six counselors? It's very plain and simple and we're likely to get clear 481 00:39:23,440 --> 00:39:30,480 direction to council. That's my thought. >> Does anyone else have a comment? 482 00:39:28,800 --> 00:39:34,720 » I agree. >> Right. 483 00:39:32,079 --> 00:39:38,640 » Yeah. I think um I think we'd be all right just with the two questions, but I 484 00:39:36,720 --> 00:39:46,720 agree with her that we need a lot more information handed out to the or put out 485 00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:52,000 to the public before election time. And that would clear up a lot of these kind 486 00:39:48,880 --> 00:39:57,280 of questions. Uh especially that one, I think. But basically what what I get out 487 00:39:55,440 --> 00:40:02,640 of it is what she wants to know is what what are we going to do if it's if that 488 00:39:59,599 --> 00:40:06,720 happens. So we haven't made that clear to anyone. 489 00:40:04,880 --> 00:40:11,520 We haven't talked about it ourselves as a council. So I can see why there is 490 00:40:09,680 --> 00:40:19,000 some uh misunderstanding out there. 491 00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:19,000 Carl 492 00:40:21,200 --> 00:40:24,200 Ted 493 00:40:24,800 --> 00:40:32,560 I I think it would water like Bill said it would water down the actual question 494 00:40:30,160 --> 00:40:37,440 and I think I don't think anyone wants to waver from the question. I think we 495 00:40:35,200 --> 00:40:43,599 want the question as blunt as possible and take care of business. So, 496 00:40:40,960 --> 00:40:47,680 so if council had decided that they wanted 497 00:40:45,680 --> 00:40:53,280 to proceed with this, we'd have to uh make an amendment to the bylaw. But 498 00:40:49,280 --> 00:40:57,680 having seen no such feelings that you want to change the bylaw, let's proceed 499 00:40:55,760 --> 00:41:02,960 with the bylaw >> by Lavine second by Ted Brown that bylaw 500 00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:07,200 number 07.26 26 being a bylaws that two municipal questions to the electeds at 501 00:41:05,040 --> 00:41:10,800 the 2026 municipal election for the municipal corporation of the township of 502 00:41:08,720 --> 00:41:14,880 Kilaloo Hagerty and Richards be given its first, second, and third reading and 503 00:41:12,640 --> 00:41:19,599 finally passed this 21st day of January 2026. 504 00:41:17,119 --> 00:41:25,160 » Any questions or discussion? Having seen that all those in favor? 505 00:41:22,160 --> 00:41:25,160 Carried. 506 00:41:37,200 --> 00:41:43,599 And any unfinished business, new business? If none, we are going to 507 00:41:41,680 --> 00:41:46,880 committee of the whole. >> Moved by Brian Picausski, second by 508 00:41:45,359 --> 00:41:49,760 Harold Lavine. Motion to move into committee of the whole. Be it resolved 509 00:41:48,160 --> 00:41:54,560 that council move into a closed meeting pursuant to section 239 of the municipal 510 00:41:51,839 --> 00:41:58,000 act 2001 as amended for the following reason. advice that is subject to 511 00:41:56,319 --> 00:42:01,920 solicitor client privilege, including communications necessary for that 512 00:41:59,599 --> 00:42:07,200 purpose with regards to a shoreline erosion reconsideration. All those in 513 00:42:04,319 --> 00:42:10,599 favor carried. >> Thank you everyone.