[1:56] I'd like to call this meeting in order
please.
[2:00] » Thank you. Um like to make an
announcement to start with this uh this
[2:05] session will not be live recorded. Uh it
will be uploaded tomorrow as we are
[2:10] having some technical difficulties. So
for those that are here and wish to
[2:16] watch it again, you can watch it
tomorrow when it will be uploaded. I'd
[2:21] like again call the meeting to order. Uh
our regular meeting of January 21st,
[2:26] 2026.
And our first item would be to adopt the
[2:30] agenda.
>> I moved by Harold Leavine, second by
[2:33] Moren McMillan. Be it resolved that
council for the township of Kilu Hagerty
[2:37] and Richards hereby adopts the agenda
for the regulars council meeting of
[2:40] January 21st 2026 as presented.
>> All those in favor carried.
[2:47] Now our first nation's land
acknowledgement. As we gather today, I
[2:51] would like to acknowledge on behalf of
this committee and our community that we
[2:55] are meeting on the traditional territory
of the Aangquin people. We would like to
[2:59] thank the Aangquin people and express
our respect and support for their rich
[3:02] history. and we are extremely grateful
for their many and continued displays of
[3:06] friendship. We also thank all the
generations of people who have taken
[3:10] care of this land for thousands of
years. And please join me in a moment of
[3:14] silent reflection.
[3:26] And thank you. And does anyone Oh,
my mayor's address. So, some places that
[3:34] I've been at in the last couple of
weeks, uh, January the 11th, I was had
[3:39] an interview on CHCR. That's our radio
station for those who don't know. Uh, on
[3:44] the 14th of January, we had a county
council meeting along with health,
[3:48] community services, and corporate
service committees.
[3:52] Uh, the 15th, we had a public meeting
and also our first staff budgeted
[3:58] meeting. And on the 17th, 18th, 19th,
and 20th, uh, we had Roma and there was
[4:05] four of us that attended that event. And
personally, I appreciate the opportunity
[4:10] to participate in this conference. It
was great to advocate for our community
[4:14] and learn about opportunities that
support rural municipalities.
[4:18] The best part of the conference is to
mingle with similar municipalities that
[4:21] share the same uphill battles like less
revenue and higher expenses.
[4:27] some of the key things of the
conference. Um, first off, I want to
[4:31] congratulate the Roma board for
listening to the members. Um, to what to
[4:38] include in their sessions. There was a
lot of relevant things. Uh, I'm not
[4:42] saying all the presentations were great,
but the question and answer period after
[4:48] those sessions were very informative and
the involvement of people was really
[4:53] good. Uh some of the items that were
that really hit home were uh there was a
[4:59] section called rural voices and it
started off as one theme and ended up
[5:04] all talking about AI and the problems
that our communities are being faced
[5:08] with with AI and uh it's really scary
the days ahead. Another item was the
[5:16] costs of cemeteries. Uh, of course I
would be remiss in not mentioning the
[5:21] Doug Ford speech, which I don't know who
his script writer is, but uh, someone
[5:26] added humor to his speeches, which was
it was really good and it shed a
[5:31] different light on how you perceive him.
Um,
[5:36] this one will hit home to all of us. uh
accur accurate information to residents
[5:41] and that evolved around what to do if
you lose a newspaper and how do people
[5:45] communicate on a day-to-day basis with
your residents and it was very
[5:50] informative I know Moren was there with
me and uh I think Tammy was there maybe
[5:56] no I'm not sure anyways it was very very
interesting uh also there was a session
[6:02] on aqua which was water and wastewater
and uh the new code of conduct when and
[6:10] if it's ever going to come out. Um so on
the also on the 20th last night um I was
[6:17] present to give out service awards for 5
years plus to all our firefighters which
[6:23] was a really good good night and
you know you look at the service they
[6:28] provide for us and the protection they
provide for us and we give them a plaque
[6:32] and a piece of pizza. So, uh, to put
that in perspective, that was their
[6:36] thank you. But honestly, from wordswise,
I congratulate them for what they did
[6:41] and how supportive of we are of them and
how thankful we are that they put in the
[6:47] time to train to fight the battles. So,
that was I wanted to make mention of
[6:52] that. And today, finally, we had our
second staff budget meeting. And, uh, my
[6:58] last note is a reminder. snow fund
starts January 26th and runs till
[7:02] February the 1st and hopefully everyone
can support that event.
[7:08] Great. Um, at this time would Bill and
Meen or Tammy like to elaborate on
[7:14] anything from Roma?
[7:20] » Sorry. Yeah, it's my fourth time
attending the Rural Ontario Municipality
[7:24] Association conference and I think this
one for me was the best one yet. uh lots
[7:29] of I I was in several of the sessions
and that that uh the mayor spoke about.
[7:35] Um, I think it the one that was really
interesting and a little bit of of a
[7:41] surprise and kind of out in left field
uh was the very last one on the last day
[7:48] which was about building a more
connected community. And it was really
[7:52] it talked about the uh the epidemic of
loneliness across the world and how that
[7:57] impacts uh it it impacts our society in
so many ways and it was a really just a
[8:03] feelood feel good way to end the the
3-day conference. So thanks for thanks
[8:08] for letting me go.
>> Thanks Morin.
[8:11] » Yeah and I enjoyed it a lot. Everybody I
met now knows where Kiloo is and Round
[8:16] Lake and Will know and they know that uh
the Kiloo Sunrise originated from uh one
[8:21] of our small communities. Uh I did uh
some good uh workshops on communication
[8:26] and infrastructure and how to get uh
good messages, truthful messages out to
[8:31] our community. So I look forward to
being able to do that in the next little
[8:35] while as budget is coming right up
around the corner. So it's very timely.
[8:41] And does anyone have any pecunary or
financial interest to declare? Having
[8:46] seen none, we'll move right into our
delegations. Mr. Mr. Pton, please join
[8:51] us.
[9:00] » I did. Thank you for the extra
information.
[9:04] » Good evening. My name is Michael
Patrunic and I live in the old Caou
[9:07] neighborhood. Thank you for your time
today. publicly addressed this concern.
[9:12] On August 24th, 2025, council passed
bylaw 31, 2025 without public
[9:18] notification, consultation, and debate.
This bylaw closed most of Greens and
[9:23] Sullivan's roads, which provide access
to Silver Creek. I'm here to present a
[9:27] petition that request council amend the
bylaw to make the road unmaintained as
[9:32] it once was and should still be. Before
I present the signatures, I will review
[9:37] the meaning of closed and unmaintained,
what a waterway and highway are, and
[9:42] provide a history of the road surveys
for the Killer Loop Road, which is also
[9:46] known as Greens Road in Selenbrook. Um,
I'll also raise questions about the
[9:51] process, the transparency, the benefits,
and the cost of bylaw.
[9:56] Let's start with definitions. According
to Canadian Oxford dictionary, closed,
[10:00] which is an adjective, means shut with
nothing left open or not allowing public
[10:05] access. The last one seems important,
not allowing public access.
[10:11] Unmaintained is an adjective that means
not kept in proper or good condition.
[10:17] It's pretty easy. So, let's move to the
rules. According to the Beds of
[10:21] Navigable Waters Act, waterways are
owned by the Crown and Wright of Canada.
[10:26] According to the municipal act, a
highway includes all road allowances
[10:30] made by the crown surveyors that are
located in the municipality.
[10:36] It also states that a bylaw permanently
closing a highway shall not be passed
[10:40] without the consent of the government of
Canada if the highway abuts on land
[10:45] including land covered by water owned by
the right sorry by the right sorry by
[10:50] the crown and right of Canada.
Next I'm going to talk about road
[10:54] history. So if we look back to the
1860s,
[10:58] I was able to find a map that shows the
original viup of the Hagerty Township.
[11:08] This includes uh who got which survey
plot along with the waterways, the
[11:14] rights of ways for the planned uh
railways and a tiny segment of road in
[11:19] red showing two acres that represents
the origins of the kiloo roford road and
[11:24] some of which has been closed by this
new bylaw 312025.
[11:29] I'm going to call this the OG survey.
If we move forward about 20 years to
[11:35] 1878 when the council at the time
created bylaw 18
[11:48] this is by lighting
[11:53] a survey defining the entirety of the
road from just north of the mill
[11:57] following a path with many curves hills
and crossing silver creek all as it
[12:02] winds its way south to the town line. I
will call this the confirmation survey.
[12:11] About 50 years later, as part of a
government survey in 1935, a map of the
[12:16] Golden Lake area was published in 1937.
[12:24] This is a segment of that there.
[12:29] This map clearly shows the full Killer
Roachford road as traveled. I will call
[12:34] this the asbuilt survey.
That is three crown surveys showing the
[12:39] Killer Roachford road that we now know
as Greens Road and Faliban's road. This
[12:43] road also crosses Silver Creek or Silver
Lake Creek. It's known by both names.
[12:49] Silver Creek is fed by Silver Lake
upstream and flows into the old Kilaloo
[12:53] Pond, making it owned by the Crown and
Wright of Canada and therefore subject
[12:56] to its processes which include elements
related to public notice and
[13:00] consultation. None of this appears to
have been done.
[13:04] I also found a story from the Eganville
leader from 1964.
[13:10] It's called the old road. Those who
built it have gone their sorry have gone
[13:15] to the rest many long years ago. For the
old road is almost 100 years old and was
[13:20] among the first roads to be built in
Hagerty Township. Built from Roachford
[13:24] to old Kilaloo, a distance of about 3
miles, it served the people of
[13:28] Roachford, South Alona, Cormarmac, and
Bruinell for a long period of time. The
[13:34] men who built it followed a straight
line from Roachford for about a mile,
[13:38] but apparently decided to follow the
path of least resistance, and the result
[13:42] was a winding road with many twists and
turns. Midway between Roachford and Old
[13:47] Kiddoo is the Green's farm. A farm
cleared out of the virgin forest by
[13:51] Christopher Green. At the north end of
the farm is a bridge spanning Silver
[13:55] Lake Creek. And here in the springtime,
people would come for miles to catch
[14:00] suckers. Arriving a little before dark,
they would build a fire and remain until
[14:04] late into the night. Under the bridge,
planks were laid across some logs a few
[14:09] inches above water. When the darkness
came, the fishermen would lie down on
[14:13] these often wet plains, put their arms
down into the cold spring water, and
[14:18] catch sucker by hand. One windy night,
they failed to put out the fire. The
[14:22] next morning, the bridge was smoldering
ruins.
[14:27] In the rapids below the bridge, there
was abundance of trout, and in those
[14:31] far-off days, there never seemed to be a
small one. It was just above the bridge
[14:35] that Tom Ruddy, one autumn day, killed
two otter with a single shot.
[14:40] This creek was the scene of a drive each
spring for many years. First square
[14:44] timber, later saw logs. At one time, a
dam extended from the bridge for about
[14:49] a/4 mile holding back an immense head of
water. A little way from the road, the
[14:54] bridge, a road led to the Ruddy's farm.
Here, William Ruddy lived and raised a
[14:59] large family. One of his sons cleared
the farm further down the road, and
[15:02] these three families, the Ruddies and
the Greens, were the only ones to live
[15:05] beside the old road. About half a mile
from the bridge, you come to the crooked
[15:10] hill. It would seem to have been easier
to build the road almost straight down
[15:14] this rather long hill, but the builders
decided to make it crooked and succeeded
[15:18] very well. This crooked hill so
intrigued a young girl, Pat Green, now a
[15:23] missionary sister in Japan, that she
composed a poem about it. The hill was
[15:28] particularly straightened, sorry, partly
straightened some years ago. The road
[15:33] led on over hills and valleys to the
thriving picturesque village of Kiloo.
[15:38] That was many years before the advent of
the railway, before there was any killer
[15:42] station. Many persons ranking high in
church and state once traveled this
[15:46] road. In those years, long past and
gone, traffic was heavy on the old road.
[15:51] In the winter, you could hear the music
of sleigh bells at almost any hour of
[15:55] the day or night. It began to be called
the old road when another road was built
[16:00] from the western end of Roachford to
Killoop. This road, now part of Highway
[16:04] 512, was paved some years ago. Then the
traffic almost ceased on the old road.
[16:09] The buddies have long since gone and for
a time people called it the greens road.
[16:14] Martin Garvey in his song of old Killoo
has some lines about this road which he
[16:19] calls Green Valley Road. And now the
Greens have also gone. And the old road
[16:25] lies silent and peaceful, rarely being
used by anyone. A kindly road in all its
[16:29] years. There never was an accident on
it. The birds still sing from the
[16:33] treetops. Rabbits and partridge come to
its side. The beavers, after an absence
[16:37] of 70 years, have once again taken over
the creek and marshlands. Beside its
[16:43] bank, the rust muskrats build their
domes. The scenery along this woodland
[16:48] road, especially in the autumn, is as
beautiful as the eye wish for it. Here,
[16:52] all is serene, quiet, beautiful. At
times in the far off distance, you may
[16:57] hear the blare of horns.
Um, as cars and trucks travel the harsh
[17:03] pavement.
>> Excuse me, Mike.
[17:06] » How often I've traveled it by day and by
night and love every foot of it.
[17:09] Sometimes I still travel it. And as you
once more walk over its hills and
[17:13] valleys, the old road seems to welcome
you. Glad that someone is using it.
[17:18] Mike, this is from Kill Ontario.
>> You got three minutes. Three minutes and
[17:22] you're No problem. Okay.
[17:28] That there just provides some providence
to the road. So if I focus on the bylaw,
[17:32] the bylaw is for the assumption and
dedication of a road with the road's
[17:35] name unsaid. If this was a public
interest, why was there not more
[17:38] celebrated announcement letting them
know that you were improving the
[17:41] township? Or was there something the
council wanted to keep quiet? Hiding
[17:44] within it was a single word that removes
the public right to access most of the
[17:48] road. Closed.
Item three states that the corporation
[17:52] of the township of Kiluhagy Richards
confirms that any lands contained within
[17:56] pin number 57515-000093
of the land titles east of parts one and
[18:01] two of survey 49R20598
which are vested in the corporation of
[18:06] the township of Kiler Hegy Richard which
would be considered a public highway
[18:09] remain closed as covered earlier the
word closed means not allowing public
[18:13] access any spoken word by the town today
or anytime suggesting closed means
[18:17] otherwise is meaningless the town's
position can changed without notice.
[18:21] Remember, closed means not allowing
public access. The bylaw seems to be a
[18:25] little bit little benefit to the town.
Before the new road was surveyed, the
[18:30] road was wide enough to handle
occasional passing traffic with a solid
[18:32] base to be driven on year round, even on
a lowered Civic or a transport truck
[18:36] with a trailer. Um, now about the
survey. The new survey identifies the
[18:42] route does not even identify the route
of the original road. Uh, one would
[18:46] expect it to be the master, but instead
it identifies fence lines were probably
[18:50] built by a farm in the path of lease
resistance rather than a long surveyed
[18:54] post. Uh, this makes the new road wider
than the old survey. Was an evaluation
[18:58] done regarding the land the town was
expropriating?
[19:02] Uh, part of that last two questions stem
from the fact that town managed the
[19:06] southern section of the road uh, the
Sullivan side differently. At that end,
[19:10] the town has allowed an adjacent land
owner to claim some of the survey
[19:13] traveled road by erecting new fences and
a line of boulders obstructing passage
[19:18] down the traveled road. What are the
costs of these bylaws? Were there direct
[19:22] dollar costs for the process and
creating the road and maintaining the
[19:25] road and legal stuff going forward? Did
this bylaw add to the tax base or
[19:30] distract by adding more costs? And what
about the cultural costs? With everyone
[19:34] losing access to history, nature and
waterways, these costs can never be
[19:38] recovered. To summarize, birds are
important and closed and unmaintained
[19:42] have specific uses when it comes to
roads. We must use them properly. The
[19:46] killer of Roachford Road, Greens Road,
Sullivan's road, and Silver Creek have
[19:50] long recognized history and meet the
definitions set up by the provincial and
[19:54] federal acts and should be handled
accordingly with greater public notice
[19:57] and transparency.
[20:01] This leads me to the purpose of me being
here today. I've circulated a petition
[20:05] calling for the amendment bylaw 31-2025
to remove the word closed at the end of
[20:10] section 3 and replace it with
unmaintained. It has 83 signatures on it
[20:14] of adult residents and land owners in
the Kilu Heaggedy Richards with close to
[20:18] unanimous support from Old Killoo where
the roads located. If more signatures
[20:22] are required, what number is needed for
you to do your review? Please review and
[20:25] genuinely consider this request's change
in a way that keeps the public aware. If
[20:30] you have any questions, I'd be happy to
answer them now. Sorry for the length.
[20:34] » Thank you, Mike. And uh I'll open it up
to council now for any questions and
[20:37] we'll start down here. Herold
[20:42] » thanks.
>> I just had I just wanted to just just
[20:46] for like public awareness because I know
you did receive a letter from our CEO.
[20:50] So, I just want to read a part of it
just so everybody just maybe it helps a
[20:54] better understanding
>> because I mean I
[20:55] » No, just a just
>> just a little. It's uh please note that
[20:59] whether the applicable lands were
considered unmaintained instead of
[21:02] closed, the township would still not be
maintaining the lands. If you're
[21:06] » maintain the land,
>> I'm just let me finish please. Sorry. Uh
[21:10] if closed results in proh or if your
concern is that the status of closed
[21:14] results in prohibiting public access
access to township lands, please note
[21:18] that the township generally does not
actively prohibit public access to
[21:22] either its closed roads, its
unmaintained roads, or its unopen road
[21:25] allowances. However, any public entry
onto these lands and use of these lands
[21:29] is at an individual's own risk. It is
also fully the responsibility of the
[21:33] private individuals to ensure they are
not trespassing on private properties.
[21:37] So, I just wanted to read that just just
to help
[21:40] » question.
>> No,
[21:42] » no, we can we can't answer questions. I
just wanted to read that just
[21:44] » May I respond to your public
>> because this was supposed to be a
[21:48] question and you've decided to just read
something.
[21:49] » No, no, no. It's just for public
information.
[21:51] » Public information as I said earlier
closed has a specific definition and the
[21:57] whims of the township have changed here
and there. I remember a day when they
[22:01] wanted street lights in old Kiloo.
So anyways, uh we'll move along here.
[22:06] And uh Brian, do you have any questions?
Brian, do you have any questions?
[22:12] Carl,
>> Ted,
[22:17] » what's landlock land, Mike?
>> Well, I like to purchase. I have a
[22:20] chance to fall.
>> I have you have to go through him. So
[22:25] » that's true.
>> I believe you're referring to there are
[22:28] properties back there that have lost
access to portions of the property
[22:32] because of this bylaw. And accordingly
from what I read from your other bylaws,
[22:36] it costs a few hundred dollars if they
want to get access to that to be able to
[22:40] do improvements on it. And those would
have to be renewed on a regular basis.
[22:44] As I said earlier, closed means closed.
It's a real definition. Fix the bylaw,
[22:48] please.
>> So what Marine just read is right from
[22:51] our legal counsel. And
>> now
[22:56] » as the township
>> when he stopped anybody
[23:01] » from using a closed road before so why
would we start now?
[23:05] » Uh again your whims can change. Laws are
laws and they're written in a specific
[23:11] way to mean certain things. Add the word
unmaintained and the law is fine. It
[23:17] means you didn't close off public access
to a federal waterway.
[23:21] I have to take the advice of our
solicitor and he's saying there is no
[23:27] difference.
[23:31] » Can you uh forward something more
official than you just telling me this
[23:35] or your little letter? Cuz you you're
you're telling me there's no difference.
[23:39] But if I go back there and I'm charged
to have the police show up, am I
[23:43] supposed to show them a map and say,
"Look, I'm on the road."
[23:47] » Well, that that's all there is. There's
a map. There is a there is a three
[23:51] survey. So the town said we don't know
where the borders are.
[23:55] » I don't understand how the town cannot
know where the borders are when there
[23:58] are three government surveys.
>> So what are you saying if the police
[24:04] » I'm saying I've had the police called on
me for trespassing on this road in the
[24:08] past?
>> Not by the township.
[24:09] » Multiple times. No, by adjacent land
owners. I've been assaulted by adjacent
[24:13] land owners.
>> Yeah. And since the township refuses to
[24:17] take ownership of the road, those
charges were dropped.
[24:20] » Yeah.
>> Now, if does the township own the road
[24:23] or not?
>> They do own the road. Yes.
[24:27] » Then where is it?
>> It's up there.
[24:30] » Is it open or closed?
>> It's closed.
[24:32] » Then closed means no trespassing.
>> See, we're just going to keep arguing
[24:37] here. So, am I
>> How many How many signatures?
[24:40] » I told you what our solicitor said.
>> I hear you. And he said, "You can go on
[24:45] that road if you want."
>> And I say,
[24:47] » "And it's up to you." Well,
>> then if you don't believe him, that's
[24:52] your problem.
>> Charged.
[24:53] » That's your problem.
>> Do I come back with trespass charges?
[24:57] There've been trespass charges laid
already this year for that road.
[25:01] » Not from the township. Not if you're on
You must have been on somebody. Whoever
[25:05] was charged was on somebody else's
propert.
[25:08] » I think you need to do some more
investigating.
[25:11] » How can somebody be charged? How can
somebody be charged if they're on
[25:14] township property and township?
>> How come they block the road? Then the
[25:18] road's blocked in multiple locations and
the township is not doing anything about
[25:22] it.
>> And I don't I told you in discussions
[25:25] that we are trying to do something about
>> you
[25:30] have it in your head listen to you being
closed. You're doing nothing. You're
[25:34] actually working backwards against the
people for the right to access public
[25:38] property.
See,
[25:40] » how many signatures do you want for me
to readress this publicly?
[25:43] » I don't care
private debate.
[25:47] » We're telling you you can use the road
and you're still not happy. So, what do
[25:51] you want us to do?
>> I want you to change the bylaw. So, the
[25:54] bylaw says I can use the road.
>> We're telling you you can use the road.
[25:59] Our solicitor is telling you
tell her to stop. Excuse me. It's not
[26:06] open to public. Uh, Mr. Peternic asked
for the uh, legal opinion to be
[26:13] released. I'm I think it would
>> makes sense for this council to consider
[26:19] releasing all or part of that letter.
>> Before we do that, I'd like to ask the
[26:24] CEO if it's permissible.
>> Yeah. No, I mean it's something for
[26:27] council to consider.
>> Why is everyone hiding behind
[26:30] everything?
>> Why can't we just have public discussion
[26:32] about you guys closing public access?
Closed is a real word.
[26:36] » Dr. your solicitor smart.
>> Pardon?
[26:39] » Talk to your solicitor tomorrow. Closed
is a real word.
[26:42] » Well, we have issu we have talked with
the solicitor and there was supposed to
[26:46] been a letter written to you
>> and as said they but I was
[26:52] » so they they said, "Oh, closed doesn't
mean closed since when are you the
[26:55] dictionary? When do you as a township
define what words mean?"
[26:59] » I think it'll be cleared up. I know you
don't believe us, but I think if you
[27:03] read the same letter from the lawyer
that I read two weeks ago or a week ago
[27:07] when we had when it came up that uh that
perhaps you might be convinced if you
[27:13] don't listen to us and you don't listen
to the lawyer. Well,
[27:16] » I'll get my lawyer. We can get our own
lawyer. It's
[27:19] » absolutely 100% who is opposed to the
actions you took in our neighborhood
[27:24] without letting us know. Mhm.
>> Does council have anything else to uh
[27:31] say?
[27:34] » Here's the signature so far. I'll
continue to circulate that.
[27:40] » Okay. Thank you, Mike.
[27:48] Now we'll move on to the minutes of the
previous meeting.
[27:53] Regular council meeting of January 6th,
open session.
[27:58] » Moved by Brian Picoski, second by Bill
Smith. Motion to approve the minutes of
[28:02] the regular council meeting of January
6th, 2026, open session.
[28:07] » Questions or discussion? All those in
favor? Carried.
[28:15] And when the whole meeting of December
the 9th, 2025, open session. Moved by
[28:21] Moren McMillan, second by Harold Lavine.
Motion to approve the minutes of the
[28:24] committee of the whole meeting of
December 9th, 2025 open session.
[28:30] » Uh questions or concerns? Having seen
none. All those in favor? He
[28:38] committee of adjustment January 13th
open session?
[28:42] » Moved by Moren McMillan, second by
Harold Lavine. Motion to approve the
[28:45] minutes of the committee of adjustment
meeting of January 13, 2026, open
[28:50] session.
>> Questions or discussion? All those in
[28:54] favor? Carried.
[29:01] » Oh, yes.
[29:06] » Carl needs to sign it.
[29:21] Does anyone have any comments in regards
to the upcoming meetings?
[29:27] Um, examining the road and general
vouchure 12 2025 questions. Bill
[29:37] » 27983
and 2784
[29:45] » second page
>> the two $3,000 charges
[29:56] I just sign I know one was for salt I
think or gravel
[30:00] » no one are you talking about 83 and 84
>> yeah 83 and 84 I just signed one
[30:05] tonight.
>> Winter sand. And both both of them are
[30:08] for winter sand.
>> Oh, okay.
[30:10] » And the bottom one is for winter sand as
well.
[30:12] » The bottom.
>> Is that their land owner?
[30:16] » Yes.
>> Is that because they're land owners?
[30:20] » Yes, because
[30:23] » they own the pit.
[30:28] » No,
>> you disappoint me,
[30:32] Brian.
Okay, we're good.
[30:37] And uh services committee reports. Now
we'll move to correspondence.
[30:45] City of Peterborough sustainable police
funding.
[30:52] » You supporting this
>> unless you want to.
[30:56] » If you want to. It was for discussion.
>> That's funding. So that sounds
[31:02] » reasonable for when I read it.
>> That's what I thought first. When I read
[31:06] it, I believe that it's
>> it's only a section.
[31:09] » It's not OP, but it's
>> it's a section
[31:11] » sustainable funding for
>> local police.
[31:17] Okay. Okay.
>> So, I didn't that's why I didn't ask.
[31:21] » Uh town of Prescott robust recycling
program. Uh did everyone read this? I
[31:27] thought this one might be a one for a
resolution.
[31:32] Carl,
>> that's
[31:38] too much going in the ground, right?
>> Harold, you're okay with that one?
[31:43] » Yeah.
>> Okay, good.
[31:45] » We'll bring it back next week or two
weeks.
[31:52] Uh, Eeyorn monthly update December 2025.
[32:01] Thank you note from the will well no
rink committee.
[32:05] That was very nice.
[32:13] Stats Canada is hiring for the 2026
census.
[32:17] » For people who might be looking for some
part-time employment, but Stats can is
[32:22] hiring right now for for the upcoming
election. And actually, they're I don't
[32:26] want to they're not re I don't want to
use the word desperate, but this is the
[32:31] third time this has come across the
desk. And I think they're really looking
[32:35] for people to help. So,
if you want to and earn a few extra
[32:39] bucks, by all means,
[32:44] EOWC a news release.
[32:54] Uh, next one is MMA,
Police Services Board Budgets.
[33:02] No doubt councelor McMillan, you read
this very thoroughly.
[33:08] We did include this a budget for you.
>> Yeah.
[33:15] » And the Ministry of the Attorney General
updates to tailgate event permits and
[33:19] Bill would like to speak to that.
>> So, this is a this is a really
[33:23] interesting update. Uh there was a a a
thing a license for what they call the
[33:32] tailgate party. uh they're changing that
to the uh bring your own event and what
[33:39] they said. Uh so there's we're going to
be able to get events licensed for bring
[33:44] your own events if they're cultural or
communitywide events that are sponsored
[33:48] by the municipality.
The reason I'm speaking about it is
[33:52] because I think that uh that opens up
lots of possibilities for different
[33:57] kinds of for for other groups to
approach us and say, "Hey, we'd like to
[34:00] do this kind of an art festival or this
kind of a dinner a dinner or what
[34:05] whatever it happens to be." But it's now
going to be legal as of October or April
[34:11] 30th for people to apply for a bring
your own event to a cultural or
[34:16] community event.
So, what I what I've done, I've
[34:20] forwarded this on to Colton and Tammy,
of course, and uh to let his mind go
[34:25] thinking about different things and to
source out different people to maybe be
[34:29] interested in it. And I think it's it
can be really a fun thing, I think. So,
[34:34] we'll see how it works.
>> There's a possibility that sometime in
[34:38] the future, an event like the Irish
gathering could be a bring your own
[34:42] event.
>> Yeah. you know, so
[34:46] » maybe not change the name of it to a
tailgate event, but we could
[34:50] » getting rid of tailgate.
>> Okay, next one is from Town of Elmer.
[34:55] Support for the city of Wellland's call
to action for justice and protection of
[34:58] Canada's children.
[35:03] And there is another EOWC
news release.
[35:09] Okay, good.
And now we're going to move on to
[35:13] bylaws.
[35:16] Tammy, did you before we get to the
bylaws, did you want to read something
[35:19] off in regards to that one letter that
came?
[35:22] » Um, not from the first bylaw.
>> Not from the first one. Okay.
[35:28] So, yeah. Right. So, the first bylaw is
bylaw number 6-2026.
[35:35] Do you want me to read it or are you
going to read it?
[35:37] » Uh, moved by Bill Smith, second by Ted
Brown. That bylaw number 06206 being a
[35:43] bylaw authorizing the execution of an
Ontario fire protection grant transfer
[35:47] payment agreement between his majesty
the king and right of Ontario and the
[35:51] municipal corporation of the township of
Hillary and Richards be given its first,
[35:56] second and third reading and fi uh
finally passed this 21st day of January
[36:00] 2026.
>> Questions discussion all those in favor?
[36:05] Carrie.
[36:34] Now I'll ask that question. Did you want
to read something?
[36:37] Um so uh before the next uh resolution
is read um putting um um bringing
[36:45] forward the bylaw to put the two
questions to the electors on uh the
[36:49] ballot. Um
um Connie Mask wrote an email. She did
[36:54] ask a question at the meeting and she
followed up with an email. So I'll just
[36:57] read her email. Um good evening and
thank you for providing the opportunity
[37:01] to learn more about the upcoming
questions for the 2026 meeting split
[37:04] election. After the recent public
meeting, I felt it is not fully
[37:08] articulate my primary concern and I
would like to offer further
[37:11] clarification. My concern is that the
voters are being asked on two to
[37:15] interconnected matters without knowing
the outcome of one or the other. For
[37:19] instance, a voter might support reducing
council to four counselors and one mayor
[37:23] only if the current ward system remains
without knowing the outcome of the ward
[37:27] versus at large vote. that same voter
might feel forced to vote against
[37:31] council reductions simply to avoid the
risk of an unfavorable combination. To
[37:35] resolve this ambiguity,
I suggest um splitting the proposal into
[37:40] three specific questions. Are you in
favor of abolishing the current board
[37:44] system in the township of Ku Hagerty and
Richards? Are you in favor of reducing
[37:48] the size of council to four counselors
and one mayor if the current board
[37:52] system is abolished? Are you in favor of
reducing the side of CA size of council
[37:56] to four counselors and one mayor if the
current ward system remains in place? I
[38:00] have not yet made a final decision on
these issues and look forward to
[38:04] conducting more research and attending
information sessions over the next eight
[38:07] months. However, providing this level of
clarity on the ballot would ensure that
[38:11] voters like myself can express a
preference that accurately reflects our
[38:15] vision for the township. Thank you for
your time and consideration considering
[38:19] this feedback. Best regards, Connie
Matz. Yes. Does anyone have any
[38:24] discussion?
>> I can comment on that. I thought about
[38:27] it because I I think that it's a really
interesting uh like I get her point. I
[38:33] think it's really an interesting point,
but I I'm afraid that if we put those
[38:41] three questions on the ballot that none
of them would get past the 50% in order
[38:46] to make the uh it would water down the
choices. And if we don't get 50% on on
[38:54] any of them, then council isn't
compelled to move forward with with the
[38:59] thing with a decision to follow the
advice of of the people. And we'd be
[39:06] back the next council would be in the
same position of saying, well, some
[39:09] people want it and some people don't.
And and if we keep the questions, in my
[39:14] opinion, if we keep the questions, do
you want award system? Do you want four
[39:18] or six counselors? It's very plain and
simple and we're likely to get clear
[39:23] direction to council. That's my thought.
>> Does anyone else have a comment?
[39:28] » I agree.
>> Right.
[39:32] » Yeah. I think um I think we'd be all
right just with the two questions, but I
[39:36] agree with her that we need a lot more
information handed out to the or put out
[39:42] to the public before election time. And
that would clear up a lot of these kind
[39:48] of questions. Uh especially that one, I
think. But basically what what I get out
[39:55] of it is what she wants to know is what
what are we going to do if it's if that
[39:59] happens. So we haven't made that clear
to anyone.
[40:04] We haven't talked about it ourselves as
a council. So I can see why there is
[40:09] some
uh misunderstanding out there.
[40:16] Carl
[40:21] Ted
[40:24] I I think it would water like Bill said
it would water down the actual question
[40:30] and I think I don't think anyone wants
to waver from the question. I think we
[40:35] want the question as blunt as possible
and take care of business. So,
[40:40] so
if council had decided that they wanted
[40:45] to proceed with this, we'd have to uh
make an amendment to the bylaw. But
[40:49] having seen no such feelings that you
want to change the bylaw, let's proceed
[40:55] with the bylaw
>> by Lavine second by Ted Brown that bylaw
[41:00] number 07.26 26 being a bylaws that two
municipal questions to the electeds at
[41:05] the 2026 municipal election for the
municipal corporation of the township of
[41:08] Kilaloo Hagerty and Richards be given
its first, second, and third reading and
[41:12] finally passed this 21st day of January
2026.
[41:17] » Any questions or discussion?
Having seen that all those in favor?
[41:22] Carried.
[41:37] And any unfinished business, new
business? If none, we are going to
[41:41] committee of the whole.
>> Moved by Brian Picausski, second by
[41:45] Harold Lavine. Motion to move into
committee of the whole. Be it resolved
[41:48] that council move into a closed meeting
pursuant to section 239 of the municipal
[41:51] act 2001 as amended for the following
reason. advice that is subject to
[41:56] solicitor client privilege, including
communications necessary for that
[41:59] purpose with regards to a shoreline
erosion reconsideration. All those in
[42:04] favor carried.
>> Thank you everyone.