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I've got 636, call the meeting to order. Approval the agenda that may be amended. I think you got a phone call on Friday afternoon after three o'clock, something about solar panels. So let's put it down at number 16,

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a citizen called in about solar panels. So we're putting it on, but the agenda was already set before that.

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Anybody else have anything else they would like to add or change or

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can I get a motion to accept the minutes that were amended to the agenda?

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The agenda?

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The agenda, I'm sorry.

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Yeah, so moved.

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Can I get a second?

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Second.

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All in favor.

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All right.

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Approve of the minutes.

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I'm going to start first with August 24th.

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31st first.

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I don't see anything.

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Could I get a motion first to approve the minutes of August 24th?

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I get a second.

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Second.

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Anybody have anything in it?

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All in favor?

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All right.

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And I get a motion to approve the minutes of August 31st.

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So moved.

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I get a second.

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Second.

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All those in favor?

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I have a question about that.

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So under internal financial controls,

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it said I seconded the motion.

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But John, you commented last time we got together

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that I actually brought up. I would not sign that financial controls checklists.

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Now, you, you, you, you, you second the conversation like now, but then you can question. So,

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you, let's see the select one review of the internal financial

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control list. The town is select what discussed changes. They would like to see from the

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answer provided on the checklists. Have made a motion if it's like what you had

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I think but the second of the motion was different than you were

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in the comments.

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And which was more of a comment.

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If you would like to prove it.

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If you want to add what anybody you had said, then just say,

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what you like added in there.

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Yes.

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What I'd like added in is that I advised chairman

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half that I would not sign this without more work.

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Okay.

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So we've got that in there, so anything else, all those in favor of the August 31st minutes with that edition, say aye.

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Hi.

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Citizens input and concerns will start in the room first, calling the back.

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Butch, merrients, their first nothing.

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Yay, Mona.

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Keb.

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Yeah.

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So the summer I had defense,

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well, Fence couldn't be repaired at the corner of Berkhalo

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Road and the killing of, from the town plowing the snow, from not with you drive up against

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the fence, and it was not comparable. So I had it by 8 by 8 posts and

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fencing, and I hired a carpenter to dig holes for the posts and put up the fence, and so

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Although I know Chad said that his guide did not push snow from Mountain View Drive onto the fence, but I watched them do it, but over the years it's happened, and this is the third time I had to actually pay to have it repaired.

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So, I have about $450 into labor and materials, and so I would greatly appreciate it if the select board, the chairman, the town manager, somebody speak to the, to Chad.

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I don't know what's the last name, and tell them that I, I don't want to have to repair it again next spring, and I know they have to push the snow somewhere,

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but as long as that somewhere is not against my, my now new fence, and I have a horse who, who's got, now a couple of times,

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And I walk the fence with my carpenter and we fix everything and that's important to me.

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And I have our dog aside, but we have friends who come and bring their dogs.

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And I don't want any dog or horse getting hit on the Killington Road.

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So my request is that the interim time manager or somebody from the select board speak with Chad and find another place to push the snow that's not on my property and against my fence.

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Okay, so the chair is part of the select board just gonna it's not the select board on the chair. We're just the whole one

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No, I'm just kind of

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we don't talk to the employees

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So town manager, please talk to him. Absolutely. It's a day-to-day stuff

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Thank you

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chat

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Roger

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Anybody online have something in Citizens Input

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hearing none? Mission, form,

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her historic marker. I think Sarah Zell is online. I see you, Sarah, and you

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get your mic off. Go ahead.

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Come on, here, John.

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Here's that point. I think it's her. There you go.

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So, yeah, I think that

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paperwork was said over to the town. We've been working on this for a long time. Can you

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make a key? We did, yeah.

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So it's just one of those green roadside historic markers that

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you see as you drive and we're working with the state on it.

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And we're in kind of final approval with them. And I think you guys should have received the wording of this talk marker. It's too excited.

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And I get a motion from the board to approve the mission.

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The bomb is for a lot of historic site marker.

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Sorry.

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I'll get a second.

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Second.

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I'll see you get the second there.

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Any questions on this?

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It's a green marker.

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It's like a little foresighted marker.

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Sarah.

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It's just on the property.

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And it's a historic marker.

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Any other questions, Bill?

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Any questions, John?

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All those in favor say aye.

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And they're all good, they're so, thank you.

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Madden's is this one?

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Yeah, sure.

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So, I want to share a bit of an update on where we stand with my co-floor priorities and more tonight.

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So, the forensic audit from Barry Dunn, we're actually meeting with them a group of us from town hall

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and a couple of what people will be part of it, but just to give you a quick idea, it's

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going to look back at the last three fiscal years, 23 through 25, and they're going to examine

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very thoroughly the general fund activity, personnel, payroll, capital expenditures, department

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budgets, grants, bond, projections, and reporting, and a lot of internal controls.

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And we kicked this off, it was Fito, who's not here tonight, because he's on vacation.

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Jim and myself, and we met with Alan Goodwin, who's their senior business development manager.

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And then we had a follow-up call with him on August 26th,

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just to make sure that everything was right and an included a three year retrospective.

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And late last week was actually Friday, I got the final report back from him that he's going

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to share tomorrow with our internal team, and things are moving along nicely.

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We anticipate results will be back in about six months, so so far, all good.

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Second thing is on the banking front.

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We were successful in getting a what we call a tan.

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So it's a tax anticipation, no or loan, and we got that two weeks ago, Wednesday, September

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2nd, for $3,477,538 from community bank to help us with our financial needs, so

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all good, very successful.

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This one's going to go under the heading of one of two things.

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It's either in your pick.

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Okay, so this one's either sound the trumpets, or fasten your seat belts and get ready,

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but one of my favorite priorities that I was assigned was to get some work done on the

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killington rodents and some other roads, and I am really, really thrilled that Mike,

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I think his last name is Mollon, yes it is, Mike has said that he's weighed the green flag,

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and he's getting those engines revved up and a lift, this is critical.

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Next Thursday, the 24th Pike Paving, will begin resurfacing the uphill side of the

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killington road from Anthony Way up to Dean Hill Road, and then will also participate in

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doing the downhill side from approximately Dean Hill Road to around Jackson.

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Beyond that, on September 10th was Thursday, there was a proposal signed for securing

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Nikon Coding's, which due the crack scene, and Chad has them lined up for about a one-and-a-half

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to two miles stretch, up and down the access road, Millerbrook, Rocky Ridge, Tanglewood,

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and coffee house road areas. So, we want to get all this ready or winter. He also has contacted

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Green Mountain Line Striping and we've contracted with them to begin in any where from two to three weeks

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to correct the safety issue in certain sections of the access road. So the first one is from just above

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the lookout where it's not striped in the center of the road and on the edges and it'll go up to

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just about where the turn would be into East Mountain Road by the

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discularity. So that's going to get striped and taken care of two to three

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weeks. Additionally, thanks to Bill Vines, he was able to share with us that in

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days of yesterday's year, there was striping and directional arrows at the

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bottom of the access road, which have worn down almost the evaporated. I would

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to me. Yeah, I agree. So the good news is we're going to have them do that section as well

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to prevent any further safety issues. And just so you know, Bill's notes said to me that someone

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was in the right lane. And that lane at the bottom of the access road is designed to go either across

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into the welcome center or make the small right hand turn. Well, somebody was there and apparently

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cut in front of the folks in the left hand lane that are supposed to turn left. And that could have

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Yeah, pretty bad situation right sit down there at 330 on a Saturday and you'll see it all the time

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Because you're with a brand new right

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Okay, another priority has been to get outsourced financial controls for these large

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Tiff and theme of projects with expertise that frankly we have not had recently in house and it may have been quite some time since we had it

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They do we never really have it, but at any event on September 3, we contracted with Cedar,

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and that's the Chamber and Economic Development Group in Rutland Region, and they are providing

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our town with financial compliance, remediation, and stabilization, consulting and support

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services to help access current projects, funding sources, and to identify financial practices

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currently in place. We're really lucky and proud to have Ms. Shasta Matino. She is

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director of finance and operations. For them and she will become our

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defacto director of finance and operations on a part-time basis for the town.

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And she's here to handle the day-to-day financial work. She was in last week.

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We worked several days together with a variety of us in town all. She's in

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tomorrow morning as well and for several days this week. But just to give the

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idea of how she's going to approach this, it's very thorough. It's going to be

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three faces.

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So the first phase is going to be assessment and stabilization, and that'll take approximately four months.

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But she's already said to me, I think I'm moving faster than that. So I said, great news, right?

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So it's all designed to establish a very comprehensive understanding of the town's current projects, the grants, funding sources, and financial processes currently in place.

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And I identify how funding is allocated to each project assess existing financial and compliance practices and to determine what deficiencies or risks exist and prioritize issues require immediate attention and corrective action.

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So there will be some very solid deliverables coming from that. You'll learn more as the week's go by.

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Second phase is going to be immediate remediation and grant stabilization that will go on from approximately month four through seven.

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And it's going to focus on going after the highest priority financial grant and compliance deficiencies identified in the first phase.

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In the third phase, we will have implementation and transition, and the objective there is to

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transition the town from remediation to sustainable compliance by implement, thanks to the

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list of the not.

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And sustainable compliance by implementing standardized financial and grant management processes,

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strengthening internal controls, establishing clear accountability, and developing consistent

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procedures for managing multiple funding sources.

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So in the end, when Shasta is finished with us, it should be the end of June in 27.

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We're going to have a clear understanding of our financial and grant compliance obligations,

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documented processes for managing all the obligations will have a strengthened internal control

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process and will have reconciled and corrected a lot of the things that were identified,

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But that's not all.

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We're also very pleased to announce that we have separately retained a governmental accounting

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advisory service from Ms. Sarah Macy. And Sarah is a very trusted independent CPFO.

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In case you don't know what that means. It's a certified public financial officer,

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consultant and advisor to local governments in Vermont and New England.

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She's been over the last 17 years, a specialist, and an expert in governmental accounting,

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budgeting, debt management, and tax, implement, financing.

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She's currently director of finance and administration at the city of St.

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Olvin's in Vermont.

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She's actually taught classes at UVM in the master's program for those that are

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in accounting, looking to go on, and actually earn their CPA track.

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So, she's going to be retained that she's available on an hourly basis by Paul

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email, video call, for occasional questions that need to be answered, and she's already begun

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working collaboratively with Shaston, you know, so that we're surrounding what our financial

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needs and how to remediate are.

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And are both of these people getting the access they need from the people we have?

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Yeah, they are.

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In fact, she will both of them are, but yet tomorrow we're actually having Shaston meet with

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several of our folks in turn, and she already has.

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I mean, he's met with the listeners and Lisa and others in the organization.

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Yeah, read only on them right on us all.

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That's right.

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I have read only.

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Read only.

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Yeah.

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Thank you, Jim.

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Good point.

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The other area is just to finish off are we were able to recon-track with R8 Smith as the town's

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auditor because we discovered in early August that after 15 years their contract was not

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We had a scramble, we did, we got resigned, and it's good that we did, because now with

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what's going on with the work we need to do with Pepsi, it's a pretty serious time to not have

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an order.

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Well, it certainly was, and that's why Jim, to your point, August 4th, we signed the

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in the next order agreement for fiscal 2027.

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Last two areas were three areas,

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gaining significant non-file financial reimbursement from FEMA.

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You may recall that we signed a contract.

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It was July 21st with TRC WSP.

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A gentleman working with us as name is Josh Robinson.

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He's been conducting every week,

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a very comprehensive document recovery and filing assistance, and he's been working with us

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and the states Charlie U, who is from the state of Vermont Flood Recovery Team and the Vermont

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Emergency Management Team, and it's all designed to capture all reimbursements and establish

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proper administrator procedures going forward. Later tonight in the agenda, I believe it's number

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team gym. There'll be more discussion on that. Last two areas did a posting on September 2nd

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for a new fire chief. The posting will stay open until the 1st of October. We've had

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two people that expressed some interest. One of them dropped out literally yesterday because

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he was from out of state way out of state. I wrote them and said, are you sure you want to

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stand? This isn't in Georgia. This is in killing him for a month. He said, I'm withdrawing

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applications. Okay, fine. Last area is the tax notification sale that will be coming up. This

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Thursday, the 17th. I'm really happy to report that the town has collected from six of the

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top, not of the top. Six of the 10, the Lincoln tax property owners. And that has totaled $112,

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1,248 dollars and what we will do is we will meet on Thursday, we'll need someone from the

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select board gym, you can go through that and that'll be a 10 a.m. here Thursday morning

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the 17 and the balance of the 10, right? So six we got four more, those four will go to the

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So just a couple little lines driving is going from the look out to the substation that's not going always up to.

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I'm sorry.

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It's going up to the substation.

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It's joining the two steps.

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It's joining the two steps.

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All right.

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Thank you.

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All right.

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And then anybody that's on the four lists the four outstanding.

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Yes.

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They still have right before that time.

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Okay.

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It's a peg or make a.

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But that's significant, that we got that money.

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So, pretty broad is my point.

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I think that's what it's said on a tax sale table. Okay, so thank you, Mark. Thank you, Mark.

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Great. Next up, Pepsi, follow up. Next steps, discussion, let it to the editor. John, you've

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been the point of contact.

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So, see, most folks should be aware that on the 31st of August,

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the interim town manager, the chair, myself, the vice chair, went up to meet with Pepsi and

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give them an update on the status based on the report that they supplied to us, which was

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a result of a in-house meeting that they had had with our internal staff members that happened

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around May 20, May 20, if my recollection is correct. So we've been working on getting answers

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with our age Smith, our accounting firm, I should say not accounting,

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auditing firm as well as tracking down various documents to provide

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to WebC for contractual purposes between the services that we've garnered

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through very done from Shastamatino and also from Sarah Macy's.

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So we've provided them documentation on that.

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have come back with some questions from our most recent document document dump so to speak that we

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provided them so we're working through getting the finality to those answers. Most of it was

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that contracts weren't fully executed because we're still in process of finalization so

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we had for instance a very done we had signed off and very done but they had yet to sign off on it

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so it was just in limbo but Vepsie wanted some documents and we wanted to make sure that we got them

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most current documents that we could provide them.

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So we did that.

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Then that was the September 4th.

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This week, coming, we have written progress update

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required that we will be submitting to WebC, which

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will also include, as many answers to the questions that

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resulted from their reporting in May.

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But also we will provide supporting financial documentation, which will predominantly come from the auditor

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RH Smith to provide to Vepsie.

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So we'll be doing that as well.

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And then the next step is on the 24th, we will be going back up to Muppilir, Rob, myself and Jim,

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as well as I believe Ron from our each Smith probably and Shasta probably I don't know a

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several times. I might be online and we'll be presenting again to the Vepsie board

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our updates at that point. I want to throw it. It will be the first time we're presenting.

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We had no idea what we were doing up there on that. The reason why I say we had no idea

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what we were doing is just, from the June 26th in-house, I believe there were some questions

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that were asked to our finance team.

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May.

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May.

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You want to run through what we actually did, as the answer is not internally.

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I don't have it in question.

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I don't have it in front of me, but we,

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the town, I'll just leave it at that.

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And I will say the town replied back to these auditing questions with copy and pasted questions from our auditor back to Vepsie, which I think would make anybody uncomfortable if you would ask for specific information to be provided to you and someone came back to you asking a question that was kind of not really relevant to the specific question that you were responding to.

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was a very strange transaction of information, and we really, as a town, did not reply to

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Pepsi and an appropriate fashion.

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So, it definitely, I think, sparked a lot more questions

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than it needed to. If we had, as a town, appropriately answered these questions with as much

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back-based information as possible.

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We probably wouldn't have ended up in Montpellier.

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We still would have had subsequent questions

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and more reporting required in things of this nature undoubtedly,

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but maybe we wouldn't have ended up in the hot seat

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that we clearly found ourselves in.

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And it was a hot seat.

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I will be honest with you.

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It was a hot seat.

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And in most respects, rightfully so,

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because the town was, in my opinion, fairly negligent

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and providing information to the reporting body

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that oversees the TIF program.

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And there's a lot of money involved.

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And there's a lot of money involved.

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People have questions.

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I think they deserve good answers.

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And we did not, as a town, provide them anything

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remotely, what I would consider a good answer.

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So that was that.

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So we are in the process of cleaning up the spaghetti that

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is currently all over the floor.

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So that gives us

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the follow-up to the meeting that we were at on August 31st.

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The next steps you want to do, do you have the dates in front of you, John?

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Right, so on September 18th again, we're going to provide a written progress update with actual supporting financial documentation for all tasks that have been completed today.

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So if my recollection is correct, it was 28 questions, I think.

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I thought it was 23 or 20, so it's in that range and so we are going to provide as much information

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that is based in fact and with supporting financial documentation from the past year's audits.

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So we'll be doing that. Again, Thursday the 24th, we as a group will be going to Montpire

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and we will be presenting to Vepsie our current findings at that point on Friday, October 2nd.

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We'll provide another written update again with actual financial support and documentation for any additional tasks that had yet to be completed.

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And by August 15th, we will submit full documented responses to all the issues identified in July 24th, 2026,

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issue resolution letter, which again was a result of the in-office at the town of Killington

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office meeting that it occurred with our...

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Our director of finance and some other staff members on 520, 26.

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So then, after that on November 19th, again, the town, the interim town manager,

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the chair,

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myself, and I assume probably our supporting staff, once again, reappear in Montpire to hopefully

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bring finality to the entire conversation and that will be much something to look forward

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to because it's been a lot but it's 100% the responsibility of the town to do our

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diligence and to be professional and to supply the information necessary to the reporting

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body and we've failed as a town. It's really that simple.

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And Ron Smith was here for three days, who two weeks ago, two weeks ago, and his second day being here, he had already said he had probably over 35% of the questions answered as they were right there and the report.

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We just didn't know how to present the answers to Pepsi and Shasta has found some good information as well, so she's been able to bring a lot of that away.

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She's got some that she's been working with Ron and Sarah Macy just the simple did we set up a tiff district account for the increment and it was set up.

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It did have the money in there for 2025 or 2024, and the ending in 2024, June of 25.

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It doesn't look like we put any funds over for 26 years, but the account is there.

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And Sarah Macy will get Sarah Macy is working on, I don't know if you have it on the agenda right now, Rob.

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Do you have the tax?

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Yes, Dan, yes, we'll talk about that later on.

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We can not, we can knock that out right now, so Sarah Macy is working with the listers.

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I think we probably should stick to the answer.

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You want to stick to it?

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So the next question up then is,

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some would like to put a letter to the editor.

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So.

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So can I ask you a question about Pepsi right before we get to the editor?

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Sure.

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Because I think this would help everybody.

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So on September, Friday, September 4th, we go back to Pepsi.

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Correct.

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And we feel good about that as they got back to us about how they feel about that.

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Yes, so they have provided us some feedback and they've asked for more

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finality to some of these different items because again at the time, and I had mentioned it, but you know I understand it was a lot of dialogue.

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No, that's okay.

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They'd come back to us seeking answers on more affirmation on some things like the Barry Dunn contract.

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We knew that it was not fully executed, but we wanted them to be aware that the contract

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exists that we have executed on our end.

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We were just waiting for Barry Dunn to complete it and finalize it.

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So they wanted a copy of that finalization.

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Sarah Macy's contract because there was a nuance as it relates to her indemnification insurance.

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So, she wanted to make sure that she was covered under the town's policy, so we were going through legal with that.

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We provided letter that stated, you know, here's not only here's the contract, but here's, you know, here's the description of where we're at with just creating the finality to it.

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Our legal department provided the letter.

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Yes.

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Well, yes, when I say, when I say, when I say, we the town.

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It was, you know, through legal, supplied, you know, the necessary documentation for that.

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So, we're working through that, Shasta, Shasta's contract, and they had also asked about the

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treasurers' financial controls.

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Was that the name of the sheet?

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The other report that you were talking about, and that you had just changed the minute

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saying that you would not have signed it or whatever.

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If you were, they stated that it was a 504 vote to, for me to sign it with those changes.

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We did provide, I did go to the treasurer's office and did email also, and some of the items were not changed.

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That we had asked to be changed.

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But we knew we had to sign that letter John from the WebC meeting and I think they just

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read it was an anonymous vote.

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I did sign it but I also did sign it and then printed my name and wrote under Dores.

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They do not like that, but I did not have permission from the full board to sign it.

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But I knew we needed to sign it, so I was on the dress.

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Yeah, I did.

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And I think the dress was, it was not completed to this satisfaction to what the board had discussed.

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Correct.

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Yet we needed to provide something to Vepsie because they were clearly on the hunt for this

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document.

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They wanted it to be provided.

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So in order to do so, we had to make progress and so I think rightfully so the chair noted

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that I think the best way to do is to say under-dress and once I launched my email I can

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to what I had said to Vepsie and my letter so that everybody understands.

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Do we have a letter right here? Do you want my father?

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I think this is the subsequent.

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Okay.

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So the way I described it to them because I think it's important in terms of full public disclosure.

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So my note to them when I included these documents was a good morning, good afternoon, Jessica, a Monday evening, the select board voted 5-0, passing a motion along the chair to sign the Eternal Financial Control document with corrections discussed in detail by the board and open session, which is what we had done that night.

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The document containing the requested edits was supplied to the treasurer on Tuesday AM with the request from the board to be more accurate and transparent in the response they are in.

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There has been a series of back and forth with the treasurer, although many of the requested changes were made as approved by the select board somewhere not.

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At this point, the select board submits this document to Vepsy, this document being the internal financial controls,

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only in terms of it being received and not that the select board agrees with all the assertions.

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We simply do not want to delay this response any longer.

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Form is attached.

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So that was my note to that. So that they understood why the statement under direct existed on the sheet.

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I'd like to make a comment. And it's not about that in particular, but John, I really appreciate the work you and Rob and Jim have been doing.

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Okay, addressing Vepsy. I mean, this is, I mean, we've known that this has been a huge, it's been a multi-administration problem lasting for several years.

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Okay, we know that there were attempts at the beginning working with people like Shasta to set up a tracking mechanism that for whatever reason wasn't sustainable across multiple administrations

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I think Rob you saying okay that Shasta at the end the next next June will give us sustainable processes that we can use and I think it's it's very important that we

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that your frankness about hey we made a mistake and we got to fix it I think that's very

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important to correct these problems. And I don't agree with just leaving in June of 2027

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I believe we should be signing on for another five hours a week until we get through this so

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she can come in and just make sure there's two naps and just verifying and she doesn't even

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have to come into the office, you could be just verifying.

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Extend.

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Doing it.

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Very good.

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So, you know.

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It's a gift.

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I mean, we all think of this project as building the water line, so to speak.

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And then some.

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Overall, project is supposed to be developing some infrastructure that the town will probably

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use for another 50 years.

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Okay.

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And there's all kinds of intricacies associated with the finances for running that.

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that we're still gonna have to deal with it.

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So I think having someone who's knowledgeable

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of it on staff, okay, that we can get access to,

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is the right thing to do?

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It's great.

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So then there's a letter to the editor,

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would you like to read something, or?

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No, I actually don't believe we need to write a letter

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to the editor, and I can explain for everybody here

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in person or in line.

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Jim and I kind of went back and forth this past week

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and two weeks ago.

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Two weeks and two weeks.

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I was away this week.

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That's right.

446
00:39:49,370 --> 00:39:50,610
I hope the party was great.

447
00:39:52,170 --> 00:39:53,130
A lot of grateful to Ed.

448
00:39:53,690 --> 00:39:54,230
It's super.

449
00:39:54,750 --> 00:40:00,350
Anyway, it was the Labor Day weekend and I really felt like the response that I was getting

450
00:40:00,350 --> 00:40:06,750
from citizens who bumped into me anywhere and whether it's email or the post office, whatever,

451
00:40:06,890 --> 00:40:09,050
people really wanted to know what was going on.

452
00:40:09,290 --> 00:40:16,750
So I did a draft of a letter and I did not have all of these dates because Vepsie was rattling

453
00:40:16,750 --> 00:40:21,990
them off quickly. I took them right out of the mountain times. You said one was not 100% accurate.

454
00:40:22,330 --> 00:40:29,510
So we could not get a select board meeting together on that day before the so we could get

455
00:40:29,510 --> 00:40:34,870
a letter to the editor before their deadline. Correct. So we're going to come today and present this.

456
00:40:35,250 --> 00:40:41,750
Right. I think we've presented this in a crisp enough way that Katie and Polly who are both

457
00:40:41,750 --> 00:40:48,090
online I believe and maybe the Rutland Harold can pick up where we are, but we're saying

458
00:40:48,090 --> 00:40:53,330
that we are in control and we know what we're moving forward successfully.

459
00:40:53,750 --> 00:40:54,050
Correct.

460
00:40:54,510 --> 00:40:55,790
So I don't think that I need to write.

461
00:40:56,430 --> 00:40:58,950
So at that Saturday that you gave me a call.

462
00:40:59,870 --> 00:41:00,290
Okay.

463
00:41:00,650 --> 00:41:01,450
And then I tried.

464
00:41:01,690 --> 00:41:02,290
You did.

465
00:41:02,390 --> 00:41:03,410
But we couldn't.

466
00:41:03,610 --> 00:41:05,470
It's not emergency meeting material.

467
00:41:06,290 --> 00:41:11,470
I think you and I both did not realize or maybe forgot on Saturday that Monday was a holiday.

468
00:41:12,050 --> 00:41:19,270
So, I could not get a special meeting called on a Monday when there was nobody else, there was nobody in the office.

469
00:41:20,190 --> 00:41:29,090
So, we waited for today to have a conversation, but I do see Kitty, I do see Polly, and I do see Kiff, Keith Whitcom.

470
00:41:29,270 --> 00:41:29,730
See there?

471
00:41:29,810 --> 00:41:31,110
On here, he's down lower.

472
00:41:31,270 --> 00:41:31,610
Okay.

473
00:41:31,870 --> 00:41:40,250
And if they choose to write about it, maybe we can go for a streak and not be in the paper for two weeks.

474
00:41:41,350 --> 00:41:53,210
Last week, we were not in the paper at all, I actually called Holly up and told her I was going to have a cigar and a little burden to celebrate not being in the newspaper.

475
00:41:55,450 --> 00:42:09,350
So, but if they choose to write, yes, John is hit this pretty well, his response is going back with the information that he is getting from the sources that Rob had read off earlier.

476
00:42:10,010 --> 00:42:16,070
So, and I kind of second what Bill has said it, this has been a tremendous amount of work and I appreciate it.

477
00:42:16,170 --> 00:42:16,790
We really did.

478
00:42:19,250 --> 00:42:24,250
So, so we're going to move on to scheduled public hearing.

479
00:42:24,810 --> 00:42:29,970
I guess the only thing I'd like to add on that, if I could, is I want to be clear with the public.

480
00:42:30,770 --> 00:42:33,030
This depth of the issue is not a new issue.

481
00:42:33,030 --> 00:42:41,370
This issue has been going on for some time, the pastile managers, various people at different

482
00:42:41,370 --> 00:42:46,370
levels over the last two years have been well aware that we have issues with our

483
00:42:46,370 --> 00:42:53,650
WebC situation with reporting, the auditing, how funds are being tracked or not being tracked

484
00:42:53,650 --> 00:43:00,050
for that matter, and there's plenty of information out there that clearly points to that.

485
00:43:00,050 --> 00:43:03,170
And I just want to be open and transparent with people.

486
00:43:03,370 --> 00:43:04,450
This is not a new issue.

487
00:43:04,610 --> 00:43:05,810
We are dealing with it.

488
00:43:06,090 --> 00:43:12,750
It is something that we are not going to try to bury our heads or act like.

489
00:43:12,950 --> 00:43:14,310
Oh, there's no big problem here.

490
00:43:14,590 --> 00:43:15,910
It's a significant problem.

491
00:43:16,070 --> 00:43:16,990
It's a serious problem.

492
00:43:17,010 --> 00:43:20,130
It's one that's been going on that from my observations.

493
00:43:20,550 --> 00:43:22,390
I don't know if I'd say people have ignored.

494
00:43:23,230 --> 00:43:31,470
But I think that maybe people have not put as much weight

495
00:43:31,470 --> 00:43:37,490
into it or not understood in the way that they should, how important it is, but the fact

496
00:43:37,490 --> 00:43:43,090
of the matter is there's been a lot of information exchanged going back like to last

497
00:43:43,090 --> 00:43:50,710
August with a lot of key players that it doesn't appear that there was a lot that was done

498
00:43:50,710 --> 00:43:51,090
with it.

499
00:43:51,190 --> 00:43:55,610
So we are now doing something with it and we will get through this and we will make it

500
00:43:55,610 --> 00:43:59,390
right, but understand this is not a new subject.

501
00:44:00,230 --> 00:44:03,490
I'm going to throw in as a personal for me.

502
00:44:04,210 --> 00:44:11,710
I know a lot of people are saying me, listen, if it was me, I would have ran a year ago.

503
00:44:12,670 --> 00:44:18,870
I'm here getting the information with John and our people here.

504
00:44:19,410 --> 00:44:25,500
So we're going at this and all the answers are there.

505
00:44:25,500 --> 00:44:32,200
It's just we didn't know how to produce the answers in May 20, 20, or 20, 20, 26.

506
00:44:32,500 --> 00:44:38,880
May 20, 20, then May 26, 26, 20, May 26, of 20, 26.

507
00:44:39,600 --> 00:44:42,160
That went back.

508
00:44:42,760 --> 00:44:43,820
But it was the 20.

509
00:44:44,360 --> 00:44:45,440
20, it was the 20.

510
00:44:45,660 --> 00:44:51,660
20, it was the desk, the 26 was an internal incoming here.

511
00:44:51,660 --> 00:44:59,860
It did not go well, and then to answer back with questions asked the auditor.

512
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:29,980
Questions online. And the order descends you questions back. And you cut and paste those questions back as your response is not really, I wouldn't receive that. Well, it's very unprofessional is what it is. So anyway, no letter to the editor. There's enough newspaper people that are on and they can take it from there.

513
00:45:30,000 --> 00:45:50,510
So schedule public hearing for proposed amendment to Section 407, the short-term rental dwelling units of the land development regulations, and I think Lisa, may or may not be on it is,

514
00:45:50,510 --> 00:45:57,070
What I want to say, go ahead Lisa, I didn't realize she was still there.

515
00:45:58,150 --> 00:45:58,750
I'm here.

516
00:45:59,290 --> 00:46:02,230
I just want this one to be a black board to get a little public.

517
00:46:02,490 --> 00:46:04,690
I would like to start board to get a little public hearing.

518
00:46:04,910 --> 00:46:09,830
The planning commission, how the public hearing on this last Wednesday.

519
00:46:11,210 --> 00:46:12,430
They closed the public hearing.

520
00:46:12,670 --> 00:46:18,730
They adopted the file or report and sent it on to the black board.

521
00:46:18,730 --> 00:46:25,670
The next step in me, I'm entering the zoning and there's a platform called a public hearing.

522
00:46:26,050 --> 00:46:33,050
It has to be worn for at least 15 days, and you have to hold the air within 120 days.

523
00:46:33,950 --> 00:46:37,910
So, the timing I don't think you want to get into the discussion and what it's about,

524
00:46:38,170 --> 00:46:40,810
but I'm having a brief summary of you, Mike.

525
00:46:40,970 --> 00:46:45,750
Just a quick summary, so those are the years in what they're talking about.

526
00:46:45,750 --> 00:46:57,130
The land commission would like to a man's section four of staff at the ceiling of the land development regulation and that depends to a short-term dwelling unit.

527
00:46:57,470 --> 00:47:05,430
Specifically, that lights an ad item eight would deal with dumpsters.

528
00:47:06,030 --> 00:47:15,730
Right now there's been, probably as you notice, that there's a proliferation and may become the right word, but there's a lot of people that have commercial jobs.

529
00:47:15,730 --> 00:47:22,750
dumpster that can sell the dumpsters within residential neighbors. And so the planning

530
00:47:22,750 --> 00:47:31,910
commission is recommended, some controls, and those controls are, first of all, no dumpsters

531
00:47:32,710 --> 00:47:40,130
shall be permitted within the front yard. Step back, number two is that if you're going to use

532
00:47:40,130 --> 00:47:43,670
one of those cassette tape dumps there is.

533
00:47:43,670 --> 00:47:46,890
Let's just say, God, because there are more than just one.

534
00:47:47,290 --> 00:47:50,350
There's a bunch of commercial dumps there, there's a bunch of commercial dumps there.

535
00:47:50,450 --> 00:47:55,790
There's a bunch of commercial, there's a bunch of commercial dumps there that you take to the dump.

536
00:47:56,190 --> 00:48:02,830
So commercial dumps there that be appropriately screened at this language about what's acceptable.

537
00:48:03,410 --> 00:48:09,670
Screening or the third of the second option is that you use one of the

538
00:48:09,670 --> 00:48:16,870
approved dumpster, the plant commission is going to maintain the list of dumpsters that

539
00:48:18,210 --> 00:48:23,950
they approved that would require screening. Right now, there are two models that they're

540
00:48:23,950 --> 00:48:31,290
approving. One is the top box, and the other one I think is Alpine dumpsters, they're both

541
00:48:31,290 --> 00:48:39,210
available purchased at the Mountain Park where. So that's a long and short, and they're

542
00:48:39,210 --> 00:48:44,250
I don't think we want to get any discussion of and not totally different public hearing, but I will certainly.

543
00:48:45,030 --> 00:48:46,510
So October 26.

544
00:48:47,750 --> 00:48:51,450
Can't range in because we need to warm for two weeks.

545
00:48:52,550 --> 00:48:56,610
October 26, we're on the left set of time, very 20 second.

546
00:48:56,990 --> 00:48:59,190
On vacation then.

547
00:48:59,570 --> 00:49:00,270
But that's okay.

548
00:49:00,470 --> 00:49:02,310
I can have a planning commission.

549
00:49:03,530 --> 00:49:04,570
November 9th.

550
00:49:08,870 --> 00:49:15,830
So I guess I'm really concerned about November any pushing it out any further is we get more and more into

551
00:49:16,630 --> 00:49:20,450
Higher short-term rental season and if we're gonna

552
00:49:20,450 --> 00:49:24,130
And the timing of getting it enacted and then the notice time again

553
00:49:24,130 --> 00:49:27,070
It was an appeal. We have some appeal and all that stuff

554
00:49:27,690 --> 00:49:29,770
I mean we're in past that so November ninth

555
00:49:30,750 --> 00:49:36,490
Is that is isn't meeting that we have October 12? I believe is holiday

556
00:49:37,110 --> 00:49:37,970
It's a corner.

557
00:49:38,290 --> 00:49:39,050
It's a corner today.

558
00:49:39,530 --> 00:49:42,350
So we're going to talk about moving that, beating.

559
00:49:44,690 --> 00:49:46,450
So the 26.

560
00:49:47,130 --> 00:49:50,630
We will just tell that the plant town planet could be here.

561
00:49:50,950 --> 00:49:53,630
We said you think, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

562
00:49:54,110 --> 00:49:56,490
We got a lot of stuff in front of us.

563
00:49:57,450 --> 00:50:01,290
And I'm told we still got stuff to do.

564
00:50:01,290 --> 00:50:08,270
I think when people come in for short-term roundabout regulation, I would ask that the administrative

565
00:50:08,270 --> 00:50:14,010
provides the information people, so they're aware of the cancelled change coming down.

566
00:50:15,550 --> 00:50:22,290
So, all we're doing right now is saying a date, so every night, I make a motion for November

567
00:50:22,290 --> 00:50:28,570
9th for the hearing, public hearing, for Section 407, short-term rental, dwelling units,

568
00:50:28,870 --> 00:50:29,490
so moved.

569
00:50:29,490 --> 00:50:32,630
to get a second. Second. All in favour?

570
00:50:32,970 --> 00:50:33,210
All in favour?

571
00:50:33,230 --> 00:50:33,650
All in favour?

572
00:50:38,010 --> 00:50:41,710
917 property tax sales. Select voice never is needed.

573
00:50:43,250 --> 00:50:43,770
So,

574
00:50:48,420 --> 00:50:50,840
the last time we did this was The Hights.

575
00:50:51,820 --> 00:50:53,400
I think you should not be involved.

576
00:50:53,480 --> 00:50:55,120
I'm not going to be involved in it.

577
00:50:55,600 --> 00:50:57,420
But what you do is you sit there,

578
00:50:57,520 --> 00:51:00,740
and we need to appoint one person, and you sit there.

579
00:51:00,740 --> 00:51:06,820
and there's four properties up for sale. You say nothing. Jim Barlow is handling

580
00:51:06,820 --> 00:51:17,020
contact sales. If no one bids on something, they'll say going once, going twice,

581
00:51:18,080 --> 00:51:27,260
three times, with the towel like to bid. You can only bid the dollar amount that is owed.

582
00:51:28,420 --> 00:51:39,700
And in that way, it starts that one year later, if they don't pay it off, then the town

583
00:51:39,700 --> 00:51:46,760
always, the piece of property, takes possession of it, and the town can put it up for sale

584
00:51:47,640 --> 00:51:49,100
or keep it.

585
00:51:50,040 --> 00:51:50,600
So,

586
00:51:52,800 --> 00:51:58,720
I would think that the four properties, if there are four by the end of the by that Thursday.

587
00:51:59,960 --> 00:52:01,640
Okay, I think it's Thursday right now.

588
00:52:01,760 --> 00:52:02,660
Who's Thursday, today?

589
00:52:04,040 --> 00:52:10,520
After four, it looks like there are all condos in the house,

590
00:52:14,900 --> 00:52:15,880
okay?

591
00:52:17,400 --> 00:52:24,120
I would like to ask this three of you, which one would like to sit there at what time in the morning?

592
00:52:24,260 --> 00:52:26,960
10 o'clock, 10 o'clock in the morning, sure, Thursday.

593
00:52:27,860 --> 00:52:29,920
Unfortunately, I have cardiologists' equipment.

594
00:52:34,520 --> 00:52:36,280
I'm going to make a motion. I'm going to make a motion.

595
00:52:36,880 --> 00:52:37,200
Is this a motion?

596
00:52:39,480 --> 00:52:42,040
This is at the town officer's office.

597
00:52:43,140 --> 00:52:44,660
My motion is from city of Plansy.

598
00:52:44,800 --> 00:52:45,760
You're going to get a second.

599
00:52:45,880 --> 00:52:46,280
Second.

600
00:52:46,700 --> 00:52:49,700
You're not going to have any discussions on favor say aye.

601
00:52:50,060 --> 00:52:50,700
Thank you, sir.

602
00:52:51,020 --> 00:52:51,840
Thank you.

603
00:52:52,200 --> 00:52:52,500
Thank you.

604
00:52:52,500 --> 00:52:55,100
Can Jim Barlow give you a run down how it goes.

605
00:52:55,900 --> 00:52:56,040
Okay.

606
00:52:57,100 --> 00:53:08,680
We have a meeting at three o'clock on Wednesday, Mona and I and we Kim would like to add you if you could make this, it's not mandatory, but it might just give you a little bit more background

607
00:53:08,680 --> 00:53:16,240
Jim will be here in person, usually he is, so if you get here like 10 minutes before, you'll be here in 9.30

608
00:53:16,240 --> 00:53:20,760
He'll give you directions within 3 minutes, okay?

609
00:53:20,760 --> 00:53:21,540
free country.

610
00:53:22,360 --> 00:53:23,480
It will be fun.

611
00:53:24,900 --> 00:53:31,760
Fireworks permit October, I mean September 26th at the Summit Lodge, this is from

612
00:53:31,760 --> 00:53:40,560
Paul Styles who holds a fireworks license and it is from my dear friend on September 26th

613
00:53:40,560 --> 00:53:49,180
south, from over to us past the way we are having that day our Maggie is holding a celebration

614
00:53:49,180 --> 00:53:56,000
in a life from two o'clock to six o'clock and the fireworks will be going off not at the night time.

615
00:53:56,000 --> 00:54:02,440
It will be going off around five o'clock. I would think five to thirty. But we do not have a fire chief.

616
00:54:02,640 --> 00:54:08,120
So it falls back to the select board and just saying that there will be fireworks show.

617
00:54:08,260 --> 00:54:14,960
It's at the tennis courts of the summit lodge. They've done them there before and can I get a motion

618
00:54:14,960 --> 00:54:21,200
to improve a firework for a net for wall styles for September 26th at the summit lodge, for

619
00:54:21,200 --> 00:54:30,760
a size of so-called celebration, all seconded. Any questions? Just the formality. It's all

620
00:54:30,760 --> 00:54:36,860
it is. He's got his insurance. They got, I think it's just classy anyway. It's not the higher

621
00:54:36,860 --> 00:54:41,420
higher end. Have we run this by Steve? Find your out of curiosity?

622
00:54:43,560 --> 00:54:44,420
We wouldn't have

623
00:54:44,420 --> 00:54:55,740
the runner by Steve. Okay, because I thought he was helping us. He's an administrator. He's not if it says the fire chief or it says okay. Well, I'm just wondering if he had run it by. Yeah.

624
00:54:56,260 --> 00:55:03,140
I think Paul, if anybody was Paul, there's no fire chief. Okay. So then it came to the watch. Yeah. So any questions? Yeah.

625
00:55:05,140 --> 00:55:06,520
All in favor say aye.

626
00:55:06,520 --> 00:55:14,900
A point subcommittee for very done forensic audit work, and what day is that tomorrow?

627
00:55:15,400 --> 00:55:16,360
Tomorrow, tomorrow, 1.30.

628
00:55:18,600 --> 00:55:25,500
So John and I are really busy with Vepsie, and you know it's not here, I know you folks

629
00:55:25,500 --> 00:55:33,660
It's a busy with VCA, but in three units, and units, and units,

630
00:55:37,490 --> 00:55:38,690
with YouTube like to show

631
00:55:38,690 --> 00:55:39,150
up tomorrow?

632
00:55:39,750 --> 00:55:40,470
Yeah, we're complaining.

633
00:55:40,970 --> 00:55:41,250
Yeah, we're complaining.

634
00:55:41,250 --> 00:55:46,070
We're not going to do it as the board, because we're not going to be in emergency media or

635
00:55:46,070 --> 00:55:46,790
a board meeting.

636
00:55:46,930 --> 00:55:48,550
It's just two board members sitting in.

637
00:55:48,790 --> 00:55:56,950
I make a motion that Bill Vines, Silia Clancy, a 10, the Perry done, become the subcommittee,

638
00:55:56,950 --> 00:55:58,810
for very done forensic audit work.

639
00:55:58,970 --> 00:56:00,690
That's all moved.

640
00:56:01,450 --> 00:56:01,830
Any questions?

641
00:56:02,030 --> 00:56:02,950
None here.

642
00:56:03,770 --> 00:56:05,150
All in various, say aye.

643
00:56:07,210 --> 00:56:08,530
Just crank and right through it.

644
00:56:08,710 --> 00:56:08,810
That's right.

645
00:56:08,970 --> 00:56:10,970
We just used to be a little bit of stuff.

646
00:56:11,130 --> 00:56:12,490
But it's like saying, I'm going to get out of work.

647
00:56:12,750 --> 00:56:13,190
We said that once.

648
00:56:13,410 --> 00:56:13,630
Yeah, right.

649
00:56:14,090 --> 00:56:14,410
Yeah, yeah.

650
00:56:14,630 --> 00:56:15,570
That was before.

651
00:56:15,870 --> 00:56:16,430
Yeah, we got stuck.

652
00:56:16,530 --> 00:56:17,250
We got stuck.

653
00:56:17,610 --> 00:56:17,830
It's true.

654
00:56:17,890 --> 00:56:20,190
Tax anticipation, no discussion.

655
00:56:21,630 --> 00:56:22,690
You want to take it from here?

656
00:56:22,930 --> 00:56:23,750
And I'll fill in or whatever.

657
00:56:24,750 --> 00:56:27,390
I thought you wanted the discussion.

658
00:56:28,290 --> 00:56:28,950
So we basically...

659
00:56:28,950 --> 00:56:31,810
Yeah, so we basically, as Rob had said,

660
00:56:31,950 --> 00:56:37,070
we got a 3.4 million dollar tax anticipation note.

661
00:56:38,210 --> 00:56:45,470
Getting back building to having proper paperwork.

662
00:56:48,010 --> 00:56:50,130
Rob and I talked about this,

663
00:56:50,130 --> 00:56:55,590
and the 3.4 million dollars is not just thrown into our bank account.

664
00:56:55,590 --> 00:57:05,110
it is a drawer. So when we get a warrant, I think the first warrant was like $261,000.

665
00:57:06,810 --> 00:57:20,450
We asked a treasure to print off a drawer document and attach it to the warrant.

666
00:57:20,450 --> 00:57:27,610
If anybody comes around and says, where do you get the money from, when you weren't collecting

667
00:57:28,410 --> 00:57:29,610
municipal taxes,

668
00:57:32,450 --> 00:57:37,210
we could say, here, but what was the response you got back from?

669
00:57:38,110 --> 00:57:45,230
Well, initially, it was that the banks that they don't need it, so therefore it was implied

670
00:57:45,230 --> 00:57:52,030
forget it, we don't need to do it. But when we explain to the treasure of that, it's really

671
00:57:52,030 --> 00:57:59,250
for us, for the bank, so that in the event someone comes back, and we certainly know Vepsy

672
00:57:59,250 --> 00:58:04,430
has, and now it's a different entity, but we certainly learned that questions can arise.

673
00:58:05,690 --> 00:58:13,070
So now, will. Well, all right. Well, all right. We're going to do it. In fact,

674
00:58:13,070 --> 00:58:20,290
I want to come to one of the two or three that we're done involving Kassala, today,

675
00:58:20,490 --> 00:58:23,910
late afternoon, and she said she is attaching it.

676
00:58:24,030 --> 00:58:26,450
So we're following a new procedure that we...

677
00:58:26,450 --> 00:58:28,150
Yeah, I think that's a good practice.

678
00:58:28,310 --> 00:58:33,730
I mean, the tan is not quote-unquote a reserve fund, but like the state said, you could do

679
00:58:33,730 --> 00:58:38,330
short-term borrowing out of your reserve funds as long as you documented, okay, and I think

680
00:58:38,330 --> 00:58:41,290
it's just a good practice to document this stuff.

681
00:58:41,290 --> 00:58:42,630
So we know where the funds came from.

682
00:58:43,230 --> 00:58:45,130
So two years from now, another select board

683
00:58:45,130 --> 00:58:47,550
isn't faced with where the money comes from.

684
00:58:47,730 --> 00:58:48,350
That's right.

685
00:58:49,270 --> 00:58:52,530
So I was not aware that you had that further conversation.

686
00:58:53,290 --> 00:58:57,410
The last I heard was the bank didn't want it.

687
00:58:57,450 --> 00:58:59,330
Right, but that's when I get the note out

688
00:58:59,330 --> 00:59:00,790
and said that's what we're going to do.

689
00:59:01,170 --> 00:59:02,890
So that is going to get done.

690
00:59:03,330 --> 00:59:03,930
It's credit.

691
00:59:04,290 --> 00:59:05,870
We just brought it up as a conversation.

692
00:59:06,450 --> 00:59:10,370
It's we can't tell a treasure or an elected official

693
00:59:10,370 --> 00:59:18,950
What to do? But it's critical that we have a paper trail any time we're moving money so that

694
00:59:18,950 --> 00:59:25,110
we can go back and do the obvious account for it where it came from, where it's going, why

695
00:59:25,110 --> 00:59:32,070
it's going and to know that it's an approved action and that it is following the, you know,

696
00:59:32,110 --> 00:59:33,470
proper channels and processes.

697
00:59:33,470 --> 00:59:41,990
As Rob had said, the Cousella bill, there was two Cousella bills for a total of $5,000 in $5,000.

698
00:59:42,590 --> 00:59:49,410
When Chasta comes in tomorrow, those funds are going to have to be drawn down from there.

699
00:59:50,270 --> 00:59:59,110
And we need a copy of it to show that we did not use some other, we drew it from the back.

700
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:07,140
Marty comes back in, then we can pay back. So it's just a discussion and I think that discussion

701
01:00:07,140 --> 01:00:15,960
is, is over. So VLCT, which is Vermont League, to cities and towns, slash passive insurance

702
01:00:15,960 --> 01:00:25,260
invoice or invoice is. Do you want to take it from now? Yeah, sure. So on Thursday afternoon,

703
01:00:25,260 --> 01:00:34,560
We've got to note that this lady sent us, she's the accountant, and says we have not been paid for Q2.

704
01:00:36,020 --> 01:00:40,740
And in her note, it goes on to show that I guess it was April 17.

705
01:00:41,820 --> 01:00:48,340
And then I think again there was another attempt to get it paid on May 27.

706
01:00:48,340 --> 01:00:56,080
I believe we're 20 second and I talked with Mona and we found out that this one hasn't been

707
01:00:56,080 --> 01:00:58,660
paid but we paid two, three, right?

708
01:00:59,180 --> 01:01:08,060
So try to just understand from this whole lady her name is Amanda Moran Moshensky,

709
01:01:09,120 --> 01:01:11,800
even though we get heart copies, don't we get heart copies?

710
01:01:11,800 --> 01:01:19,140
is it just emailed because it came in to me as in from town manager actually it's a town manager

711
01:01:19,140 --> 01:01:24,640
but apparently it had been sent in the previous couple of times.

712
01:01:24,840 --> 01:01:26,620
Yeah, the date is made to 27.

713
01:01:26,820 --> 01:01:27,240
There it is.

714
01:01:27,440 --> 01:01:30,120
It was sent with do-are-porous.

715
01:01:30,600 --> 01:01:31,620
Yeah, it was do-are-porous.

716
01:01:31,860 --> 01:01:32,160
Yeah, it was do-are-porous.

717
01:01:32,740 --> 01:01:35,420
Yeah, so we did for whatever reason.

718
01:01:35,700 --> 01:01:36,380
I guess we didn't know.

719
01:01:36,380 --> 01:01:53,400
So on 416, the letter was sent a dress to Talmanager Cushing, and then again on 527 sent again to Talmanager Cushing, so on 527, and then 7-1 as well.

720
01:01:55,060 --> 01:01:55,060
So

721
01:01:57,650 --> 01:02:06,570
let's just leave it $23,000, but it's the exposure, it's the exposure, right?

722
01:02:06,570 --> 01:02:11,210
It's the money is one thing, it's the exposure.

723
01:02:12,630 --> 01:02:19,950
The negligence of not paying this type of an invoice puts the town in a great deal of exposure.

724
01:02:20,470 --> 01:02:25,190
And I think it's important that people understand that this is a huge problem.

725
01:02:25,630 --> 01:02:26,550
We're going to clean again.

726
01:02:26,630 --> 01:02:31,570
Another one we're cleaning up, but at the end of the day, I think we all understand if we don't

727
01:02:31,570 --> 01:02:34,270
have car insurance and we get in the car accident, what happens?

728
01:02:34,270 --> 01:02:36,910
We end up working the rest of our life for somebody else, right?

729
01:02:36,990 --> 01:02:37,370
Absolutely.

730
01:02:38,130 --> 01:02:40,090
This is not much different folks.

731
01:02:40,410 --> 01:02:41,790
It's just 23 or 47.

732
01:02:42,310 --> 01:02:44,510
23,000 for that, it's a per quarter.

733
01:02:45,390 --> 01:02:45,410
Okay?

734
01:02:45,730 --> 01:02:46,150
All right.

735
01:02:46,810 --> 01:02:49,210
But just think if you didn't,

736
01:02:49,210 --> 01:02:51,430
would you not re-up your insurance on your house?

737
01:02:51,590 --> 01:02:54,090
Would you not re-up your insurance on your automobiles?

738
01:02:54,150 --> 01:02:55,930
And then go drive your car around town.

739
01:02:56,470 --> 01:02:57,190
You would not.

740
01:02:57,930 --> 01:03:00,950
It's absolutely intolerable by it.

741
01:03:01,210 --> 01:03:02,710
This is also for our employees.

742
01:03:02,710 --> 01:03:11,690
Guys, they trip in fall, water driver, fireman, a police officer, so we're going to pay this.

743
01:03:11,710 --> 01:03:13,490
We're going to pay this tomorrow, tomorrow.

744
01:03:14,410 --> 01:03:14,430
Good.

745
01:03:17,710 --> 01:03:21,610
So, it's actually, we got an invoice here that says 47 of this, actually.

746
01:03:22,030 --> 01:03:24,250
Half of that because we've already played one quarter of this.

747
01:03:24,250 --> 01:03:27,510
I want to do on April 1st, one would do on July 1st.

748
01:03:27,510 --> 01:03:35,370
I believe Rob just said three years ago, three years ago, okay, okay, okay, so it's only 23,000 and change obviously

749
01:03:35,370 --> 01:03:36,970
Yeah, okay

750
01:03:38,290 --> 01:03:48,250
Well, we're done with that discussion, okay, start discussion on upcoming municipal tax budget process. Go ahead, Bill. What would you like to see?

751
01:03:48,650 --> 01:03:50,130
Excuse me

752
01:03:50,130 --> 01:03:54,270
We're just having a quick discussion. It is a timer and

753
01:03:54,270 --> 01:03:59,250
And we know what we've gone through for budget discussions.

754
01:04:00,790 --> 01:04:06,490
So I think we should spot something at least getting in October.

755
01:04:08,610 --> 01:04:12,510
October 26th or maybe even the first meeting October.

756
01:04:12,770 --> 01:04:17,230
Well, when do we want to try to aim at getting tax bills out?

757
01:04:18,810 --> 01:04:22,250
No, this is the budget for next year.

758
01:04:22,250 --> 01:04:24,090
Oh, I got confused, excuse me.

759
01:04:24,250 --> 01:04:26,350
No, this is the buggy, excuse me in my confusion.

760
01:04:27,010 --> 01:04:28,970
OK, the budget for next year, in your day,

761
01:04:29,110 --> 01:04:30,550
you're moving me in my day.

762
01:04:30,850 --> 01:04:33,690
It seems like that's the only thing that I've had on my

763
01:04:33,690 --> 01:04:36,090
slide-point agenda is for like a year now.

764
01:04:38,410 --> 01:04:43,230
OK, well, I guess,

765
01:04:45,910 --> 01:04:47,390
what do we want to include in the budget

766
01:04:48,310 --> 01:04:48,730
beforehand?

767
01:04:48,870 --> 01:04:51,590
Do we include in the Tom budget and are we going

768
01:04:51,590 --> 01:04:57,250
to provide a separate preliminary budget for

769
01:04:57,250 --> 01:05:00,550
Tiff or killings and forward or whatever you want to call it, okay?

770
01:05:00,610 --> 01:05:06,470
Because I do think we need to start providing that information as well.

771
01:05:06,910 --> 01:05:08,390
Well, this is for the Municipal's budget.

772
01:05:08,610 --> 01:05:10,150
No, I understand. I understand.

773
01:05:11,370 --> 01:05:19,990
I think we start with what happened this past fiscal year so that we can get a better sense of

774
01:05:19,990 --> 01:05:26,130
our strengths and our weaknesses in our previous budget so that we can start to maybe plot a better

775
01:05:26,130 --> 01:05:33,010
course towards a successful budget for the upcoming. Yes, yes. Yeah, and we have to make some assumptions about

776
01:05:33,010 --> 01:05:41,570
as we're hiring staff, okay? Because there's a lot of holes that we know we need to fill, okay, and in the conversations that we've had about the problems.

777
01:05:41,570 --> 01:05:43,550
So, who's the fire department?

778
01:05:43,810 --> 01:05:44,630
Yeah, it's an example.

779
01:05:44,890 --> 01:05:45,490
That's an example.

780
01:05:45,550 --> 01:05:46,350
It's an example.

781
01:05:47,350 --> 01:05:49,510
They're building a public side.

782
01:05:53,120 --> 01:06:02,040
But we're being accused right now as a board of cutting the...

783
01:06:03,510 --> 01:06:04,570
What is that called?

784
01:06:04,650 --> 01:06:05,210
The Perdean.

785
01:06:05,370 --> 01:06:05,930
Perdean.

786
01:06:06,450 --> 01:06:06,870
Perdean.

787
01:06:06,990 --> 01:06:08,950
So, the volunteer fireman.

788
01:06:10,870 --> 01:06:13,370
I guess it was at 25,000 hours.

789
01:06:13,370 --> 01:06:22,610
And this is if one of the five firemen called and sick, somebody comes in as a volunteer, as a forgive.

790
01:06:25,220 --> 01:06:29,460
So we had no idea it was going through $25 to $21 an hour.

791
01:06:30,120 --> 01:06:30,820
No, it was not free.

792
01:06:30,980 --> 01:06:31,680
It was no idea.

793
01:06:32,300 --> 01:06:32,920
It was not printers.

794
01:06:33,760 --> 01:06:34,540
It was not what?

795
01:06:34,700 --> 01:06:35,540
Brought to the mattress.

796
01:06:36,620 --> 01:06:38,080
The budget shows.

797
01:06:38,080 --> 01:06:39,080
We know when it happened.

798
01:06:39,740 --> 01:06:40,920
Well, it was in the budget.

799
01:06:40,920 --> 01:06:43,340
It was in the original budget process.

800
01:06:44,220 --> 01:06:48,520
There was some things moved around as far as full time and per day.

801
01:06:49,160 --> 01:06:52,080
And then there's stipends and everything else in there.

802
01:06:53,620 --> 01:06:59,080
And we were explained to us that there was some changes going on

803
01:06:59,080 --> 01:07:04,480
or whatever, but it seemed like they didn't need as much money in the per day.

804
01:07:05,160 --> 01:07:09,260
So I think it went from 60 to 45 or 60.

805
01:07:09,260 --> 01:07:11,720
You know, I think it was 57, but I think we can look it up.

806
01:07:11,800 --> 01:07:12,300
It's in the budget.

807
01:07:12,640 --> 01:07:16,840
Yeah, that would go up like 57 to 40, but the breed is right here.

808
01:07:17,040 --> 01:07:22,580
I would suggest though that going in this budget, okay, particularly where we're still in

809
01:07:22,580 --> 01:07:25,420
union negotiations with three unions for DIA.

810
01:07:25,520 --> 01:07:29,980
No, I know, but particularly where we're union negotiations with three unions, that

811
01:07:30,000 --> 01:07:39,640
We probably take, we cannot have any discussions on salaries, or anything like that, or benefits.

812
01:07:40,620 --> 01:07:44,520
Okay, for one thing, we're still working those issues with the unions.

813
01:07:45,040 --> 01:07:49,520
And even when we do have those issues work with the unions, because those are personnel matters.

814
01:07:49,680 --> 01:07:53,640
We have to take them outside of the public forum and have them in executive session.

815
01:07:54,400 --> 01:07:58,960
Okay, because we're going to have to get any salary agreements with the unions going forward.

816
01:07:58,960 --> 01:08:03,980
Right. But I do think we should start asking the department managers to put together

817
01:08:04,620 --> 01:08:10,880
provisional budgets, okay, on all of their other expenses, and they can certainly bring them

818
01:08:10,880 --> 01:08:17,560
to the board in an orderly fashion, you know, probably, you know, as you say, in mid-October

819
01:08:17,560 --> 01:08:22,360
or late October. But I think the first, the first thing would Rob should probably go to the

820
01:08:22,360 --> 01:08:27,240
department managers and say, hey, budget season is starting, maybe work together,

821
01:08:27,240 --> 01:08:33,240
calendar with them, okay, in terms of when they can get input, okay, and then we can start discussing them.

822
01:08:33,420 --> 01:08:36,620
Yeah, leaving the salary issues off to the side while we work the union negotiations.

823
01:08:36,840 --> 01:08:46,520
Other than that per deum, right, and for the fire per deum, and the stipends because I think they also cut the stipend rate.

824
01:08:47,300 --> 01:08:57,340
According to the email that I'm looking at, the stipend rate was decreased to $30,000, I don't know what it was, but it was decreased to $30,000.

825
01:08:59,160 --> 01:09:04,340
It is my understanding that the talent manager met with the fire chief.

826
01:09:04,440 --> 01:09:06,960
Can I think of this to all of you, right?

827
01:09:07,240 --> 01:09:09,440
I can actually just play with the wall.

828
01:09:09,440 --> 01:09:10,220
And they were negotiating.

829
01:09:10,240 --> 01:09:12,480
That decided that the budget should be.

830
01:09:12,800 --> 01:09:12,960
Right.

831
01:09:12,960 --> 01:09:17,060
That's why we never talked about twenty-one or twenty-five and we never talked about that.

832
01:09:17,740 --> 01:09:19,040
So, but it's a straight trend.

833
01:09:19,060 --> 01:09:20,860
I don't think we ever talked about that.

834
01:09:20,960 --> 01:09:28,700
It's a straight translation from what the budget was that took it down by twenty percent from twenty-five to twenty.

835
01:09:29,820 --> 01:09:31,300
Yeah, but I don't.

836
01:09:32,020 --> 01:09:34,060
But you wouldn't know that.

837
01:09:34,440 --> 01:09:37,060
You wouldn't know if they were anticipating fewer.

838
01:09:37,060 --> 01:09:42,320
So it's definitely going to need to use it. You wouldn't even know. The budget is set for now

839
01:09:43,560 --> 01:09:52,840
I mean, and I guess that's a question we can throw up on the next meeting of how to deal with the difference between where the fire department is saying

840
01:09:53,680 --> 01:10:02,480
From per day. I'm was at 25 dollars an hour, but it got lower to 21 dollars an hour 20 20. Okay, maybe we should be

841
01:10:02,480 --> 01:10:10,300
be looking into that budget and seeing if they can go back to 25 for opening up.

842
01:10:10,300 --> 01:10:15,020
One of the things, one of the things we were having problems with, particularly with the

843
01:10:15,020 --> 01:10:19,180
fire department and the police department, was trying to develop some performance-based

844
01:10:19,180 --> 01:10:19,580
metrics.

845
01:10:20,360 --> 01:10:26,060
So, for instance, how many per day incidents would we have to schedule on average?

846
01:10:26,820 --> 01:10:32,460
Okay, and we really didn't have a lot of performance-based information we had, a number of

847
01:10:32,460 --> 01:10:41,080
X, Y, Z dollars, but, you know, in terms of trying to encourage use of our own in how

848
01:10:41,080 --> 01:10:46,320
staff, okay, that's where the discussions came with the Department of Managers, can we reduce

849
01:10:46,320 --> 01:10:51,860
this number, should we increase that other number? But without metrics, okay, it's very, that's

850
01:10:51,860 --> 01:10:59,080
a well-deskest, and that's where we were. And I would just think that if I was on the fire department,

851
01:10:59,080 --> 01:11:09,860
And I was perdium and I'm coming in, you know, let's put it on the agenda next week

852
01:11:09,860 --> 01:11:15,820
for discussion of the perdium and of the stipends, okay.

853
01:11:16,380 --> 01:11:21,800
And for that meeting Rob, if you can tell us where we're at, of how much we've spent

854
01:11:21,800 --> 01:11:27,700
today on perdium and how much we have spent for stipends.

855
01:11:27,700 --> 01:11:35,100
And let's make sure that everybody's numbers, our work time is in.

856
01:11:35,500 --> 01:11:40,700
Sometimes the stipends, they put them all out at June 30th,

857
01:11:41,520 --> 01:11:43,960
June 29th to be paid out for the whole year.

858
01:11:44,220 --> 01:11:47,560
Yeah, there was a big one in the last batch of warrants there.

859
01:11:47,860 --> 01:11:49,080
Yeah, there was a big run.

860
01:11:49,360 --> 01:11:54,340
We can't have the, we will not have any clue.

861
01:11:54,340 --> 01:11:59,820
if it's not put in on a monthly or a quarterly basis.

862
01:11:59,860 --> 01:12:03,420
Was there any other department that got affected like that?

863
01:12:03,620 --> 01:12:04,140
Other department?

864
01:12:04,680 --> 01:12:05,480
That is not.

865
01:12:05,720 --> 01:12:07,140
I would think it's just that.

866
01:12:07,360 --> 01:12:08,320
I think it's just that.

867
01:12:08,320 --> 01:12:09,200
It's just that.

868
01:12:09,500 --> 01:12:11,840
But I mean, you know, there wasn't time.

869
01:12:12,040 --> 01:12:19,520
I think volunteers were getting paid $10 or $15 to show up at a call

870
01:12:19,520 --> 01:12:21,240
at 1 o'clock in the morning.

871
01:12:21,240 --> 01:12:26,080
That could either go to 130 or it could go to town a clock.

872
01:12:26,560 --> 01:12:28,440
There we get kind of 15 bucks.

873
01:12:30,560 --> 01:12:35,620
Then I'd car on myself raised after a certain time.

874
01:12:35,880 --> 01:12:41,320
More than 11.59 pm to 6.30 or something like that.

875
01:12:42,000 --> 01:12:42,980
It was $50.

876
01:12:44,160 --> 01:12:45,520
That's what we raised it to.

877
01:12:46,000 --> 01:12:49,640
And then anything else was $30 during the day to come in.

878
01:12:49,640 --> 01:12:55,280
I think that has been changed also, so we can just get this on the agenda.

879
01:12:56,200 --> 01:13:02,900
There are similar issues like part-time hiring to cover police shifts and stuff like that.

880
01:13:03,320 --> 01:13:10,280
And what we found last year is that no one could tell us how many shifts or how many hours or how many columns were going to occur.

881
01:13:11,060 --> 01:13:13,200
Okay, so it became just a budgetary.

882
01:13:14,080 --> 01:13:14,240
Yes.

883
01:13:14,340 --> 01:13:14,740
Yes.

884
01:13:15,580 --> 01:13:16,500
And we need the data.

885
01:13:16,580 --> 01:13:17,460
And you need the data.

886
01:13:18,220 --> 01:13:24,880
You know, you tell us that it's getting cut from 40 to 30, but it could be that we don't

887
01:13:24,880 --> 01:13:25,700
need as many.

888
01:13:26,060 --> 01:13:36,860
Well, it turned out that, or we could need more, but it turned out to be, it turned out to be

889
01:13:40,340 --> 01:13:42,060
a rape got changed.

890
01:13:44,220 --> 01:13:49,820
So Chief Montgomery, I do see you, I just muted you, we'll call on you in a second, okay?

891
01:13:55,560 --> 01:14:02,980
So that's the fire department, still you since you asked the question, we have Chief Montgomery for the police.

892
01:14:03,540 --> 01:14:07,500
Go ahead, where I muted you again, but you cannot mute.

893
01:14:08,620 --> 01:14:10,580
Sure, I got this made in the problem.

894
01:14:11,140 --> 01:14:15,640
Would you question the police in not having proper data or something?

895
01:14:15,640 --> 01:14:45,360
I just say in general, okay, we need statistics, okay, to try to figure out, okay, how many calls we're going to have, okay, how many part-time hours we maybe need to assess, okay, how many callouts are active, okay, and it's just difficult to do that, okay, without data, you know, for example, how many times do we have to send police officers down for court cases, okay,

896
01:14:45,980 --> 01:14:49,720
You know, associated with the various police activities in town.

897
01:14:50,720 --> 01:14:54,400
Yeah, we know that we have to pay police officers to go to court,

898
01:14:54,700 --> 01:14:58,860
but we have to make an educated guess about how many times we're going to have to do that,

899
01:14:59,060 --> 01:14:59,860
because that impacts

900
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:07,760
Staffing levels. And I'm going to jump in, so Chief Montgomery doesn't have the jump in on here. This is for the fire to point, for example.

901
01:15:07,760 --> 01:15:21,480
But that's an example, Chief Montgomery is the police department. They're full time employees. When they give it ticket out, there are hours of their 40 hours or their overtime hours is included in that.

902
01:15:21,920 --> 01:15:25,040
It's not the same as the problem. But it impacts their hours.

903
01:15:25,040 --> 01:15:27,920
And I think that's what you would have said when, if I'm wrong.

904
01:15:28,060 --> 01:15:31,140
Yeah, we probably do provide steps every year, annually,

905
01:15:32,320 --> 01:15:34,380
and additionally, as requested, but also,

906
01:15:34,380 --> 01:15:37,080
this is the reason, as far as the part-time mayor has gone

907
01:15:37,080 --> 01:15:38,460
as a different discussion, but that's nothing.

908
01:15:38,940 --> 01:15:41,400
The part-time, there's a reason why the part-time shifts

909
01:15:41,400 --> 01:15:43,760
were eliminated a number of years ago.

910
01:15:44,600 --> 01:15:46,700
But anyway, we discuss that a little later time.

911
01:15:46,880 --> 01:15:49,760
But I want to make sure I'm answering some of your some confusion

912
01:15:49,760 --> 01:15:51,760
there, I just want to make sure I address it, put it on here.

913
01:15:51,980 --> 01:15:54,280
I think we're confusing.

914
01:15:54,280 --> 01:16:03,240
at the board level, that the fire department is stipend and per DM, which does not fall into

915
01:16:03,240 --> 01:16:08,780
their full-time or part-time staff. You have something different.

916
01:16:09,380 --> 01:16:17,260
Yeah, and I know you try to work your data. It's an example of the same kind of problem.

917
01:16:17,700 --> 01:16:32,680
And, you know, we just, we all got to do better at providing, all of the department heads need you to do better at providing some facts to go to the select board so that we can understand how their budgets are put together and so we can make sure that they have the resources they need to do the job.

918
01:16:32,680 --> 01:16:49,160
I'm not sticking up for you Chief Montgomery, but between the police department and the library, the best assets budgets, and there is plenty of, so please don't add any more data.

919
01:16:49,320 --> 01:16:50,580
Don't take it up to that.

920
01:16:50,780 --> 01:16:55,680
If you give us all the data we need Chief Montgomery, thank you.

921
01:16:56,680 --> 01:16:57,440
Thank you, guys.

922
01:17:00,450 --> 01:17:06,460
So you need to set up a meeting for next so you can get that. I think the

923
01:17:07,530 --> 01:17:13,180
And bill brings up a great I a great point here about getting going just working with

924
01:17:13,970 --> 01:17:16,030
Say work with grow and

925
01:17:16,030 --> 01:17:20,670
And on and Roger because they are working with the union so we don't get

926
01:17:21,440 --> 01:17:23,090
In that

927
01:17:23,610 --> 01:17:28,350
Okay, what the budget's gonna look like and how we get into salaries and everything else

928
01:17:28,350 --> 01:17:34,770
So, I would think that you need to talk to the three people that are on the Union,

929
01:17:35,070 --> 01:17:36,690
could have said something, okay?

930
01:17:38,090 --> 01:17:41,450
So, FEMA projects, updates, including Richardson Road.

931
01:17:44,370 --> 01:17:50,850
So, Richardson Road out to bed, and there was one bed.

932
01:17:52,350 --> 01:17:53,690
And what we have learned,

933
01:17:56,850 --> 01:17:58,390
does I ask a lot of questions,

934
01:17:59,750 --> 01:18:05,070
is that there is a, what is that so W stand for again?

935
01:18:05,350 --> 01:18:06,330
Let's go over work.

936
01:18:07,890 --> 01:18:17,150
So just because somebody wins a bid, now has to go to FEMA,

937
01:18:17,870 --> 01:18:20,830
or Charlie at the state, the emergency flood.

938
01:18:21,970 --> 01:18:24,870
And then they send it on after they go through the bid,

939
01:18:26,760 --> 01:18:36,940
And they get it to FEMA, it can take two months, three months to get approval of a scope of work.

940
01:18:38,890 --> 01:18:45,870
When we have a scope of work approved by FEMA for a dollar amount based off of the bid,

941
01:18:48,800 --> 01:18:56,020
that's like you can go to the bank, you can get a loan, at least on this flood of 2023.

942
01:18:56,740 --> 01:19:04,340
Okay, you can get a loan and you can get the money in, so we're not using our general

943
01:19:04,340 --> 01:19:06,960
flat money as we have been using.

944
01:19:08,870 --> 01:19:13,550
And then from there, when you pay it back with interest,

945
01:19:15,770 --> 01:19:19,830
Joshua Richardson, Robinson with

946
01:19:19,830 --> 01:19:28,810
WSP will be tracking this and FEMA has said they will pay the interest also.

947
01:19:29,970 --> 01:19:38,210
So there is no need to be using general fund dollars because we want to be got to work

948
01:19:38,210 --> 01:19:46,230
a scope approved and without a scope of scope approved, you are not to do any work,

949
01:19:49,270 --> 01:19:49,810
you

950
01:19:49,810 --> 01:19:58,130
can then tell you, you started work prior to getting your work a scope approved and they

951
01:19:58,130 --> 01:19:59,770
don't have to pay you.

952
01:20:04,500 --> 01:20:05,040
So Richardson

953
01:20:07,660 --> 01:20:12,460
Road is being put in right now for a work of scope.

954
01:20:12,760 --> 01:20:13,920
Where is Richardson Road?

955
01:20:14,660 --> 01:20:17,680
Yes, it's Shadow Key, so you have to go into Bridgewater.

956
01:20:18,560 --> 01:20:24,200
There's a VTell building on your left hand side, you take that road up and you put beautiful

957
01:20:24,200 --> 01:20:30,540
ride but I wouldn't go like the last half of Richardson road. Okay. Okay.

958
01:20:30,580 --> 01:20:35,880
It's killing. It's killing ten. You go through Bridgewater. This is a really nice land there.

959
01:20:36,040 --> 01:20:42,340
Throughout that whole area. If you miss a long term coming back, you'll see a sign that

960
01:20:44,340 --> 01:20:50,740
says bonerch, shatty key. You have to turn back around and get on to the payroll down low

961
01:20:50,740 --> 01:20:58,420
you'll come out by veto. I had to go up for the three bit or whatever. So that's the way

962
01:20:58,420 --> 01:21:02,940
it's supposed to work. Now when I say it's supposed to work,

963
01:21:04,980 --> 01:21:06,900
we've done some work

964
01:21:08,920 --> 01:21:09,560
in the

965
01:21:09,560 --> 01:21:20,960
last couple of months, started prior to July that we did not get a scope of work change

966
01:21:22,660 --> 01:21:34,550
for 12 you and great trail 741-471 it was supposed to be bid it out also with rim

967
01:21:34,550 --> 01:21:41,730
road which all the paper was getting pulled together right now from rim road and the

968
01:21:41,730 --> 01:21:48,790
project has to be completed it should have been completed by July 14th of 2026 and

969
01:21:48,790 --> 01:21:59,030
We're asking for an extension which we'll get to July 14th of 2027, then there's trail side drive

970
01:22:00,790 --> 01:22:14,430
that was part of a bid and the work is completed but there is no scope of work for it, along with ledge end at 740900.

971
01:22:14,430 --> 01:22:20,940
So we're also putting in for legend to be done.

972
01:22:22,120 --> 01:22:29,960
Now we're told by the state to get the...

973
01:22:30,000 --> 01:22:45,280
The bid out for rim road, so we can include it, hopefully with 741471, trail view drive, which we are completed

974
01:22:45,280 --> 01:22:58,160
already for 349,889 dollars and great trail for 264,962 dollars. And then when we get the rim road

975
01:22:58,160 --> 01:23:05,500
be it out and the scope of work change. Hopefully we'll get paid. It's not a guarantee.

976
01:23:05,960 --> 01:23:11,780
So this is the 800,000. This is 865,000 dollars that we're probably not going to get paid on.

977
01:23:12,200 --> 01:23:14,520
So there. Well. What? You don't think we will.

978
01:23:14,960 --> 01:23:21,420
The town did not do its job. I know that. That's the concern. So I think the point is

979
01:23:21,420 --> 01:23:26,680
making the public aware that we have a huge exposure of 800 plus thousand dollars because

980
01:23:26,680 --> 01:23:31,820
Again, we didn't. We didn't want it to blow up. We didn't want it to blow up. We didn't want it. We didn't follow through.

981
01:23:32,480 --> 01:23:43,380
Okay, so 7409.0 is trail side drive with leg end and trail side drive is completed for $250,000, $665.

982
01:23:44,460 --> 01:23:48,720
So when I add up those three, it's a total of like $864,000.

983
01:23:48,720 --> 01:23:58,060
of ours. We're told to get the scope, to get the bids put out. We need some easements.

984
01:23:58,320 --> 01:24:02,960
We were told that somebody was working on easements, but contacting some of the neighbors,

985
01:24:04,680 --> 01:24:10,460
two of them I've spoke to don't know anything about it, so we didn't know anything about it.

986
01:24:10,500 --> 01:24:16,360
So we need to get that going. We're going to have a meeting rob with energy. I think we

987
01:24:16,360 --> 01:24:22,620
later this week to go over this. And all of it being told this is that once we have that

988
01:24:22,620 --> 01:24:27,560
bit, those two bits we put together with the package, get the scope of work done, we'll

989
01:24:27,560 --> 01:24:37,000
get approved and when the work is done, then we put all the paperwork in and when they look

990
01:24:37,000 --> 01:24:44,480
at it and see the invoices dated earlier than the scope of work, sometimes they pay, sometimes

991
01:24:44,480 --> 01:24:54,490
times they don't. And we've got to put it in layman's terms, please. You can. Okay. So to put it in layman's terms,

992
01:24:55,210 --> 01:25:03,750
we have an exposure of maybe around $800,000 because the town did not properly file paperwork

993
01:25:03,750 --> 01:25:10,010
in a timely fashion that when we submit it, FEMA will have the option to either pay for it or

994
01:25:10,010 --> 01:25:16,450
not, and if they choose not to, because we, the town, did not do its job, then we will

995
01:25:16,450 --> 01:25:24,250
end up probably bonding out $800,000 or finding $800,000 somewhere that we did not need

996
01:25:24,250 --> 01:25:26,830
to find or to bond up.

997
01:25:27,430 --> 01:25:31,670
So just to be on the public records, there is no questions down the road.

998
01:25:32,330 --> 01:25:37,110
We're going to solar panel conversations, so I don't want to have this in five or eight years

999
01:25:37,110 --> 01:25:42,690
someone say, well, what happened there, what happened was we didn't do our job as a town.

1000
01:25:43,450 --> 01:25:50,650
And so we have a major exposure that hopefully, FEMA will find some grace for us over.

1001
01:25:50,790 --> 01:25:53,830
But if they don't, all we can do is look in the mirror.

1002
01:25:55,450 --> 01:26:03,630
So, and to give you 90% of these funds are paid for by these projects are paid by FEMA.

1003
01:26:03,630 --> 01:26:16,150
And the 7.8% is from the state, so 97.8% could be totally paid on it.

1004
01:26:21,660 --> 01:26:22,420
It's out there.

1005
01:26:22,460 --> 01:26:26,740
I just don't want to get to the point where somebody says, well, why?

1006
01:26:26,860 --> 01:26:30,420
We end up half the paying 865,000 loans.

1007
01:26:31,060 --> 01:26:33,300
Why do we have to borrow 865,000 dollars?

1008
01:26:33,300 --> 01:26:36,680
So, the person that really identified all this was Joshua Robinson.

1009
01:26:38,280 --> 01:26:42,420
To be honest with you is me sitting in a robbery asking questions.

1010
01:26:44,240 --> 01:26:44,500
Yes.

1011
01:26:44,500 --> 01:26:44,720
Jim.

1012
01:26:45,400 --> 01:26:47,400
You know, saying we got the dead.

1013
01:26:47,440 --> 01:26:48,620
It was approved.

1014
01:26:49,300 --> 01:26:50,200
We're in a scope of work.

1015
01:26:50,480 --> 01:26:50,840
Where is the scope?

1016
01:26:51,060 --> 01:26:52,660
Now is what's the next step.

1017
01:26:53,000 --> 01:26:54,380
How do you about the plan of the scope of work?

1018
01:26:55,240 --> 01:26:57,760
What do you mean we have the plan of the plan of the plan of the scope of work?

1019
01:26:58,620 --> 01:27:01,920
And once that's approved, then you can start going with it.

1020
01:27:01,920 --> 01:27:10,220
in the appropriate town office, had the scope of work, you know, so they had it, it just

1021
01:27:10,220 --> 01:27:16,360
didn't file it. Okay, yep, so I'm going to move on, that's just there, so solar panels

1022
01:27:17,060 --> 01:27:24,740
you asked me to put this on. I did, yes, canopy is actually right. So I'm going to say something

1023
01:27:24,740 --> 01:27:28,520
I guess? Okay, go ahead. So, say your name.

1024
01:27:28,800 --> 01:27:36,580
James, it's a great citizen. So, this is mostly just for information, clear up misinformation.

1025
01:27:37,560 --> 01:27:40,540
Surrounded in New Solar Panels for the last, God knows how many years.

1026
01:27:41,580 --> 01:27:46,000
So, I have a timeline to bring down.

1027
01:27:48,420 --> 01:27:48,620
So,

1028
01:27:53,360 --> 01:27:55,740
to start with, I got millions from

1029
01:27:57,360 --> 01:28:05,060
So on November 2nd, 2021, there was a so-called can-be discussion.

1030
01:28:05,860 --> 01:28:11,360
Members on the board at that time, the Queen's defense, the chair, the curtain's unknown.

1031
01:28:13,280 --> 01:28:17,920
And there was General Crest on the board at that time.

1032
01:28:17,920 --> 01:28:24,120
I'll go back to other street people, which was

1033
01:28:26,140 --> 01:28:31,460
March 28th, October 26th.

1034
01:28:31,980 --> 01:28:37,800
There was more discussion finding a thing for Solar Kingdom to use current expense money.

1035
01:28:38,940 --> 01:28:50,640
One of your current expense loans, approved a current expense, and the support approved a talent manager to go ahead and get a current expense

1036
01:28:50,640 --> 01:28:52,240
is not for the solid management,

1037
01:28:54,360 --> 01:28:55,320
but in May 22,

1038
01:28:57,640 --> 01:29:00,980
there's just other discussions in general,

1039
01:29:01,320 --> 01:29:03,560
not in any of this, you know, we have such a mistake.

1040
01:29:05,460 --> 01:29:16,960
In the tower report, but in 2022, March, there was just a time manager report in there,

1041
01:29:16,960 --> 01:29:21,220
tell one of the blame and tell about the solar harvest.

1042
01:29:22,440 --> 01:29:25,580
There was no money here to say anything about that.

1043
01:29:25,940 --> 01:29:31,800
There's some invoices in October, 21, sometimes invoiced,

1044
01:29:32,760 --> 01:29:40,200
or the down office, a total of 107,9755 cents.

1045
01:29:42,110 --> 01:29:44,650
That and merge.

1046
01:29:46,250 --> 01:29:54,490
That money was taken out of the fund of 146, which a green is a reserve fund.

1047
01:29:56,010 --> 01:29:57,810
So that got taken out of there.

1048
01:29:58,910 --> 01:29:59,970
Who was the fund number change?

1049
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:05,360
1, 40, steps, dash, 7, dash, 40, dash, 7, 20, top, 3,

1050
01:30:07,700 --> 01:30:14,060
0. There was in March, there was a check.

1051
01:30:20,820 --> 01:30:33,380
Or for 100,000, $9.00 and $9.00, the 50,000 for the ten-of-office sober can't be.

1052
01:30:35,300 --> 01:30:37,080
The same date.

1053
01:30:41,120 --> 01:30:42,760
So that's the only details.

1054
01:30:44,860 --> 01:30:49,580
Then you can go on to the one that's a library, why there's a difference in price.

1055
01:30:49,780 --> 01:30:56,340
I don't know. That can't be worse. 96,000, $299,000, $20,000.

1056
01:30:56,940 --> 01:31:02,960
That money was taken on a phone 146, which is a reserved phone library.

1057
01:31:03,920 --> 01:31:04,180
I believe.

1058
01:31:07,260 --> 01:31:09,220
So that was the total of that.

1059
01:31:09,220 --> 01:31:19,490
So, total, all we got was 24,000, 27,000, 27,000, and 27,000, and March, 22, and 24,000,

1060
01:31:19,750 --> 01:31:21,390
March, 2020.

1061
01:31:22,470 --> 01:31:30,510
There was a work sign for that money to be paid to some company, for 204,000,

1062
01:31:30,510 --> 01:31:32,810
27,000, 27,000,

1063
01:31:34,920 --> 01:31:42,040
and 27,000.

1064
01:31:42,040 --> 01:31:42,880
that

1065
01:31:44,930 --> 01:31:53,750
the change that one forty-five and one forty-six they changed that to one

1066
01:31:53,750 --> 01:32:01,260
e-sex which is just a just a different place for the money to come from.

1067
01:32:01,400 --> 01:32:06,460
That's great to hear on the giveers to be able to instead of three-third of the

1068
01:32:09,340 --> 01:32:09,340
five.

1069
01:32:09,540 --> 01:32:18,000
The current expense note was taken out on the five twenty-twenty-twenty-twenty-twenty-twenty-twenty-twenty-twenty

1070
01:32:20,910 --> 01:32:20,910
-twenty.

1071
01:32:20,910 --> 01:32:29,230
So this is just for information, so I hope I put a lot of questions by a lot of people, what happened when?

1072
01:32:29,670 --> 01:32:33,810
So the book, so we're going to work people out of reserve funds.

1073
01:32:34,650 --> 01:32:39,050
Then we've got the journey's been snowing, and the money went back into the reserve fund.

1074
01:32:39,930 --> 01:32:43,730
Okay, so I have the May 25th, 2022.

1075
01:32:44,410 --> 01:32:49,270
I have May 25th, 2022 minutes, I don't number seven.

1076
01:32:50,370 --> 01:32:56,790
Current expense, no for solar panels, town manager, Hagen Barth spoke on the current expense,

1077
01:32:56,990 --> 01:33:02,890
no for the solar counties. Originally it was considered as an equipment purchase, which

1078
01:33:02,890 --> 01:33:09,150
I guess they took from the reserve funds, but it is different from other highway-related

1079
01:33:09,150 --> 01:33:16,250
equipment purchases. It will need to be decided by the voters. The town would like to take

1080
01:33:16,250 --> 01:33:28,990
out a one-year current expense note of $2,4,271 at a rate of 2.5% until it can be put on the ballot.

1081
01:33:30,050 --> 01:33:35,950
The select board discussed the financing and logistics of funding the solar cavities while

1082
01:33:35,950 --> 01:33:38,630
waiting the tower's residents decision.

1083
01:33:39,770 --> 01:33:46,790
So, let's board half, made a motion to approve the current expense note for the solar panels.

1084
01:33:47,470 --> 01:33:49,050
There's unanimously approved.

1085
01:33:50,950 --> 01:33:56,650
And then, just to keep the rep it's straight, I'm just going to go by the water,

1086
01:33:56,770 --> 01:33:59,190
because I don't know anything about financing.

1087
01:34:00,210 --> 01:34:04,430
So I'm going to go to page 45 of

1088
01:34:07,210 --> 01:34:14,470
the June 30 of 2025 audit, the most recent audit, and

1089
01:34:14,470 --> 01:34:18,970
note number 14 deficit fund balances.

1090
01:34:21,090 --> 01:34:31,910
And as a tip district of 5,716,000, a FEMA fund of 1,455 high school equipment, I don't

1091
01:34:31,910 --> 01:34:34,730
and $267.00.

1092
01:34:34,990 --> 01:34:37,430
Vorac Grant, $1600.00.

1093
01:34:37,510 --> 01:34:41,530
Zoning by-law, $6,375.00.

1094
01:34:41,750 --> 01:34:45,790
Killing tin four with $942,000, $880.

1095
01:34:45,990 --> 01:34:48,270
Now when I'm sure I'm going to be cleared up in 2020,

1096
01:34:48,430 --> 01:34:51,010
six is because we got the $700,000

1097
01:34:51,010 --> 01:34:52,890
or whatever from there.

1098
01:34:53,590 --> 01:34:54,830
Bear amount in Annex Road.

1099
01:34:54,870 --> 01:34:57,930
That was part of the FEMA that we did in investigation.

1100
01:34:58,370 --> 01:35:01,170
Chris Carr, I see sort of come on here over the early years.

1101
01:35:01,170 --> 01:35:07,060
But we approved getting some engineering dot barebout road and the next one's

1102
01:35:08,490 --> 01:35:14,110
The equipment replacement 8,000, 651 dollars, and then it says solar canopy

1103
01:35:14,750 --> 01:35:18,040
for 200,000, 21, and 72 dollars

1104
01:35:19,110 --> 01:35:23,830
So the order this thing just goes on and on and on, but what

1105
01:35:23,830 --> 01:35:26,520
the minute state is that

1106
01:35:26,520 --> 01:35:32,880
It couldn't be funded the way that the manager at that point said it could be funded.

1107
01:35:33,860 --> 01:35:41,420
The minute state that the board was told that needed to take a current expense note out,

1108
01:35:41,940 --> 01:35:44,840
the board approved the current expense note.

1109
01:35:45,740 --> 01:35:47,100
This was in 2022.

1110
01:35:47,980 --> 01:35:56,100
Okay, it's still showing as a negative number of 2025 as a deficit and I don't number 14 on page 45.

1111
01:35:57,080 --> 01:35:58,020
Okay, I don't go to the point.

1112
01:35:58,500 --> 01:35:59,940
We have to go back that.

1113
01:36:02,000 --> 01:36:09,440
It's staying in the May 20th, 20 second minutes that the voters would have to decide.

1114
01:36:09,440 --> 01:36:15,520
All right, we just did decide August whatever of this year.

1115
01:36:16,360 --> 01:36:23,420
I think what happens sometimes is definitions get kind of mixed up.

1116
01:36:24,540 --> 01:36:30,760
So we approve the current expense note until it was put up to a vote to clear.

1117
01:36:32,460 --> 01:36:39,840
So, if a town is an unexpected expense and takes out a current use note from the bank,

1118
01:36:39,940 --> 01:36:42,880
do they still need to add it back into the next budget cycle?

1119
01:36:43,680 --> 01:36:46,700
Yes, they absolutely must add it back into the next cycle.

1120
01:36:47,860 --> 01:36:51,580
Because a municipal budget operates on the strict legal balance budget mandate,

1121
01:36:51,840 --> 01:36:56,320
borrowing money by a short term note, does not erase the expense.

1122
01:36:56,960 --> 01:37:00,080
It only delays when you have to pay for it.

1123
01:37:00,600 --> 01:37:03,180
Now, I understand what Jay is coming from.

1124
01:37:03,260 --> 01:37:05,380
He's done a lot of work looking into it.

1125
01:37:05,720 --> 01:37:10,320
I did this little bit of work this morning looking into this.

1126
01:37:11,140 --> 01:37:15,800
And sooner or later, because we have a forensic audit being done,

1127
01:37:16,020 --> 01:37:24,170
it's going to say, if we needed to do it, all we didn't need to do.

1128
01:37:25,930 --> 01:37:29,450
I would just like to put the solar panels to rest.

1129
01:37:30,000 --> 01:37:49,980
With the orders on the forensic side to come back to us and to either say, you know what, you did it this time, right, or you actually paid for it the last time.

1130
01:37:49,980 --> 01:38:03,820
So now you will have, hopefully, an excess at the end of the 2027 budget, but you know, I believe this has gone on with

1131
01:38:04,680 --> 01:38:11,620
if people say we've had seven managers in the last seven years, well, this thing's thought of I think in 2021.

1132
01:38:12,600 --> 01:38:17,600
So we're five years, so call it four or five of them.

1133
01:38:17,600 --> 01:38:22,520
OK, we've been told as a board.

1134
01:38:23,460 --> 01:38:25,160
And we were told this past year.

1135
01:38:25,720 --> 01:38:31,360
John said, you were not, well, you were on the watch

1136
01:38:31,360 --> 01:38:33,240
for the last for the vote for August.

1137
01:38:34,320 --> 01:38:36,300
OK, that's what we went by.

1138
01:38:37,840 --> 01:38:41,260
But I think you told me that J. gave you

1139
01:38:41,260 --> 01:38:44,060
like a write down of his information that he has.

1140
01:38:44,740 --> 01:38:47,180
Or I mean, I mean, so no, it's OK.

1141
01:38:47,180 --> 01:38:49,980
I've always been here to have this time line.

1142
01:38:50,740 --> 01:38:52,020
So it happened in the world of the world.

1143
01:38:52,140 --> 01:38:56,080
At the end of this meeting, you can give that to me.

1144
01:38:56,080 --> 01:38:56,280
You can give that to me.

1145
01:38:56,800 --> 01:38:58,120
Do you take back tomorrow?

1146
01:38:58,380 --> 01:38:58,600
Yes.

1147
01:38:58,800 --> 01:39:05,040
We're going to copy because I think tomorrow they're meeting with the forensic orders.

1148
01:39:05,960 --> 01:39:10,000
So my point here was, number one, I just wanted to give information.

1149
01:39:11,200 --> 01:39:14,920
Everybody could stop saying we never paid for that.

1150
01:39:15,540 --> 01:39:16,520
No, we did it.

1151
01:39:16,520 --> 01:39:17,760
I don't know if we did.

1152
01:39:18,360 --> 01:39:25,700
I'm trying to follow it and I actually don't think people said we didn't pay for it because I think everybody understands the vendor's been paid.

1153
01:39:26,460 --> 01:39:33,600
Okay, the question became, how do we get the money to repay the current expense note if there was a current expense note taken?

1154
01:39:33,920 --> 01:39:34,620
That's the problem.

1155
01:39:34,960 --> 01:39:37,600
The biggest problem was, it never went on.

1156
01:39:37,600 --> 01:39:39,520
It never was an article on it.

1157
01:39:39,780 --> 01:39:41,380
Tell me, never got hold of it on.

1158
01:39:41,700 --> 01:39:42,940
Right, that's the biggest problem.

1159
01:39:42,940 --> 01:39:47,580
But if I were to happen, we wouldn't be having any of these numbers.

1160
01:39:48,080 --> 01:39:48,260
Correct.

1161
01:39:49,040 --> 01:39:53,420
Well, the other thing, too, is Jay, is that I really like 21.

1162
01:39:53,880 --> 01:39:58,840
They are actually in stall in May of 2026.

1163
01:40:00,400 --> 01:40:10,240
Chris and I were in the meeting, and we were told then that what was right in this minutes,

1164
01:40:10,240 --> 01:40:15,240
OK, from the manager saying that he thought you could do it this way.

1165
01:40:15,900 --> 01:40:19,940
So he didn't have to come to Oslo with that girl, OK,

1166
01:40:20,100 --> 01:40:23,700
that he could take it out of a highway, whatever, OK?

1167
01:40:25,780 --> 01:40:29,960
And then I'm going to be actually a Steve Finner and call me up one day

1168
01:40:29,960 --> 01:40:34,380
and said, who's paying when somebody starts charging their cars

1169
01:40:34,380 --> 01:40:36,200
on that solar panel.

1170
01:40:36,200 --> 01:40:38,900
And I was like, what are you talking about?

1171
01:40:39,420 --> 01:40:42,480
And then I drove down, and then that started the conversation.

1172
01:40:43,440 --> 01:40:49,860
And Chris and I, we kind of grilled the then matter to say,

1173
01:40:50,280 --> 01:40:55,300
and if we get the video back, the video will have Chris and I say,

1174
01:40:55,760 --> 01:40:57,440
it has to go to a vote.

1175
01:40:59,000 --> 01:41:02,680
And if the vote is the same, no, what are you going to do?

1176
01:41:06,830 --> 01:41:08,430
We need to put it up for a vote.

1177
01:41:08,430 --> 01:41:36,530
And then the different changes of marriages that never came around, and we get people in the audience asking about soul panels, and so that it's finally went up for a vote because I think Vino even pointed out in the RH Smith on page 45, it shows a negative balance, and it has to be taken care of, I think even the manager at the point said it's showing up as a negative number, it has to go.

1178
01:41:37,310 --> 01:41:42,810
I think Bill, we might even have discussions and say, you know what, I'm tired of the solar

1179
01:41:42,810 --> 01:41:43,210
power.

1180
01:41:43,550 --> 01:41:48,350
We stayed never got put up because we only wanted to up on top of this roof and over

1181
01:41:48,350 --> 01:41:49,990
at the highway department.

1182
01:41:50,670 --> 01:41:55,870
We never wanted anything on a river road looking and turning around and everything like that.

1183
01:41:56,150 --> 01:42:02,910
But it happened and we just said the auditor for renting is going to come in.

1184
01:42:02,910 --> 01:42:09,730
This over here says, it's still a negative balance as of June 30th of 2025.

1185
01:42:10,670 --> 01:42:17,570
So, so, you know, hopefully, so I did this simply because I didn't want to say that

1186
01:42:17,570 --> 01:42:23,510
motors have, we took out a little bit of them and we paid over $4,000 in interest.

1187
01:42:23,910 --> 01:42:28,290
I didn't want to see the types of their types, they have another one, and pay another $4,000

1188
01:42:28,290 --> 01:42:29,090
in interest.

1189
01:42:30,980 --> 01:42:33,560
But I'm going to get to you that that loan.

1190
01:42:34,220 --> 01:42:35,860
What type of loan was that?

1191
01:42:36,160 --> 01:42:36,460
Current expense.

1192
01:42:37,000 --> 01:42:41,420
A current expense note does not clear the debt.

1193
01:42:41,860 --> 01:42:41,980
The debt.

1194
01:42:41,980 --> 01:42:44,360
I understand what you're saying technically.

1195
01:42:46,570 --> 01:42:48,750
Well, the current expense note.

1196
01:42:48,810 --> 01:42:55,390
What I'm saying is we have a loan and we pay for that loan.

1197
01:42:55,590 --> 01:42:57,170
And we pay interest on that loan.

1198
01:42:57,170 --> 01:43:07,190
And what I'm trying to do, it's the proper thing to do and I don't want to get into an argument with you.

1199
01:43:07,410 --> 01:43:16,730
A current expense note means that you had something that showed up that was not expected was not in the budget.

1200
01:43:17,290 --> 01:43:24,250
So you borrowed for it until you can get to another vote to approve it to get it into your budget.

1201
01:43:24,250 --> 01:43:29,410
The current expense note covers expenses that were not budgeted for.

1202
01:43:30,050 --> 01:43:34,230
Sooner or later, we had to correct that.

1203
01:43:34,910 --> 01:43:36,530
The big question is,

1204
01:43:38,830 --> 01:43:45,530
if it was able to be taken out of the reserve funds or the restricted

1205
01:43:45,530 --> 01:43:51,650
funds for that purpose, then it never even needed a current expense note.

1206
01:43:51,650 --> 01:44:07,510
But the order is said, and the minutes say on May 25th it couldn't happen that way, because the intent of those restricted funds was to maintain equipment we already had, not something new.

1207
01:44:08,390 --> 01:44:12,890
So that's what shows in the minutes of May 25th of 2022.

1208
01:44:13,630 --> 01:44:27,450
And since that came up we had to borrow a current expense and as I've read it off, the definition of a current expense note, just because you pay it doesn't mean that you budget it for it.

1209
01:44:27,530 --> 01:44:31,990
And I think a big thing here Jim, by the way, I agree with you.

1210
01:44:32,150 --> 01:44:37,090
But the big thing here is when the current expense note was paid.

1211
01:44:37,090 --> 01:44:59,970
It was paid from somewhere, so was it paid from surplus taxes that had previously been collected because the budget collected more money and the taxes were collected than the budget spent or did it go into deficit financing for a follow-on budget and the account is basically saying

1212
01:45:00,500 --> 01:45:15,460
You've got a 200,000 dollar bill that you have to pay, so I mean we can't figure out, obviously, we don't know how that current expense note was really repayed based upon the information that's been provided to us.

1213
01:45:15,460 --> 01:45:19,000
Must we get paid $150 an hour as an order?

1214
01:45:19,740 --> 01:45:24,540
Well, obviously the accountant couldn't find how it got repaid because he's still calling it up.

1215
01:45:24,540 --> 01:45:33,780
I think I think the bigger pod here is that the current expense though got paid because it got paid out and it was only one hand out.

1216
01:45:35,700 --> 01:45:44,240
But let's say that was really how it happened then it still had to get voted on to get in the budget.

1217
01:45:46,020 --> 01:45:52,840
But if the order is said that you could take it out of the reserve funds, then we should

1218
01:45:52,840 --> 01:45:54,840
never borrow the money.

1219
01:45:55,400 --> 01:46:02,680
But it's clear that the minute it's said that it was told that it couldn't happen because

1220
01:46:02,680 --> 01:46:04,880
it says,

1221
01:46:07,660 --> 01:46:11,600
to how magis spoke on the current expense note, originally it was considered

1222
01:46:11,600 --> 01:46:15,200
as an equipment purchase, which would it came out of the restrictive funds.

1223
01:46:15,200 --> 01:46:20,080
But it is different from other highway related equipment projects.

1224
01:46:20,720 --> 01:46:22,780
This is menets from 2022.

1225
01:46:23,520 --> 01:46:26,560
But once again to state statute says you can

1226
01:46:26,560 --> 01:46:29,500
You can't do barring from your strictive funds,

1227
01:46:30,000 --> 01:46:31,700
but you have to properly document it.

1228
01:46:31,880 --> 01:46:33,780
Like the town is writing itself along.

1229
01:46:34,200 --> 01:46:37,640
Okay, and if we had a process that did that

1230
01:46:37,640 --> 01:46:41,580
at the original time, if the town managers were taking in

1231
01:46:41,580 --> 01:46:44,440
out of restricted funds, we'd have the paperwork documenting

1232
01:46:44,440 --> 01:46:53,500
that's exactly what they did. But this is 2020. It's a long time ago. Okay. And if I'm fair

1233
01:46:53,500 --> 01:46:55,160
here, which I am,

1234
01:47:02,170 --> 01:47:06,410
if the, and this is what you just said, Bill, if the unexpected expense,

1235
01:47:08,050 --> 01:47:14,850
which would drive the current expense, cause the previous fiscal year to end in a deficit,

1236
01:47:14,850 --> 01:47:18,770
Meaning, total actual spending exceeded actual revenues.

1237
01:47:19,630 --> 01:47:24,390
Statementist will laws generally require that this deficit be carried forward and funded

1238
01:47:24,390 --> 01:47:29,450
as a mandatory expenditure in the very next budget cycle to bring the books back into

1239
01:47:29,450 --> 01:47:29,890
balance.

1240
01:47:30,690 --> 01:47:36,510
So I don't know if those books at that time showed a negative or a positive, but for some

1241
01:47:36,510 --> 01:47:40,150
reason, the order still shows it in 2025 is a negative.

1242
01:47:40,150 --> 01:47:48,270
So, we're going to have to wait, can you please get a copy, so we can hand that right over to the water group.

1243
01:47:48,390 --> 01:47:51,110
You know, the forensic water, you're not the order,

1244
01:47:53,210 --> 01:47:56,150
but I don't know, because this is 2022.

1245
01:47:57,030 --> 01:48:00,430
I think I'm going to go back to my 2024-25-2324.

1246
01:48:00,750 --> 01:48:03,510
But maybe, but it's showing up in the 2025.

1247
01:48:04,090 --> 01:48:04,290
Okay.

1248
01:48:05,150 --> 01:48:06,870
So they can look at it.

1249
01:48:06,870 --> 01:48:13,870
that was paid back in 23. So, yeah. So, so the current expense not was paid back yet,

1250
01:48:13,970 --> 01:48:18,150
I'm sorry. And that's what has mean that more to me. And that's the definition

1251
01:48:18,150 --> 01:48:23,150
when you went into that. So, just get a copy of that. Yeah. So, just get a copy of that.

1252
01:48:23,150 --> 01:48:31,050
All right. So, one more rule here was, somewhere you do get information from it. So, everybody

1253
01:48:32,630 --> 01:48:33,810
So we don't get a choice.

1254
01:48:34,110 --> 01:48:34,630
And not double.

1255
01:48:35,010 --> 01:48:35,890
I don't know.

1256
01:48:36,550 --> 01:48:38,750
I don't think I don't know what we did now.

1257
01:48:39,510 --> 01:48:42,830
So I mean, you know, it's important to our order.

1258
01:48:43,410 --> 01:48:44,530
You don't take it.

1259
01:48:44,650 --> 01:48:46,230
So can we, it's not the first?

1260
01:48:46,410 --> 01:48:50,330
So can we, can we wait to,

1261
01:48:50,370 --> 01:48:52,290
we wait to take that,

1262
01:48:52,670 --> 01:48:53,890
go out

1263
01:48:54,770 --> 01:48:55,210
until

1264
01:48:56,610 --> 01:48:59,250
the order is clear this up

1265
01:49:01,300 --> 01:49:02,840
We'll ask the orders.

1266
01:49:03,780 --> 01:49:04,880
Well, we'll ask the orders.

1267
01:49:04,940 --> 01:49:05,520
You want to ask the orders?

1268
01:49:06,060 --> 01:49:07,380
I do know what you're saying.

1269
01:49:07,900 --> 01:49:08,780
Yeah, I mean.

1270
01:49:09,980 --> 01:49:14,140
As far as all our records go, we had a vote and the vote says to borrow them.

1271
01:49:14,200 --> 01:49:16,200
Of course they said then can we not even...

1272
01:49:16,200 --> 01:49:22,120
When we're saying the tax rate shortly, so the forensic order is not going to be done in 2026.

1273
01:49:23,240 --> 01:49:25,100
So I'd be in till 2026.

1274
01:49:25,100 --> 01:49:28,980
And the only way is to switch out the article and delete it.

1275
01:49:29,220 --> 01:49:33,800
Yeah, well, we have to rely on our order to record and the forensic voice not going to be around.

1276
01:49:34,780 --> 01:49:37,300
So, I mean, we'll get back to you, Jake.

1277
01:49:37,600 --> 01:49:39,620
I'm not, I think we have to borrow it.

1278
01:49:39,860 --> 01:49:42,180
Yeah, we just, I think we have to borrow it.

1279
01:49:42,200 --> 01:49:46,320
My point was to just go into another, yeah, if I were six out of those interested,

1280
01:49:46,580 --> 01:49:48,040
the town doesn't need to be here.

1281
01:49:48,300 --> 01:49:51,560
Yeah, but we'll, we'll, we'll check into it.

1282
01:49:51,560 --> 01:50:00,440
So, um, there is one more item on a, where is the agenda rock right here?

1283
01:50:00,440 --> 01:50:02,740
It's like a reward for it.

1284
01:50:03,200 --> 01:50:05,220
So, um, we have the FEMA project.

1285
01:50:05,820 --> 01:50:09,940
We need to speak, we have the KPA, KPA year.

1286
01:50:10,340 --> 01:50:11,080
Sorry, false.

1287
01:50:11,120 --> 01:50:11,780
Oh, look at that.

1288
01:50:12,340 --> 01:50:14,460
You have two copies, I think, you said, oh man.

1289
01:50:14,680 --> 01:50:16,380
Oh, no, I did grab more.

1290
01:50:16,960 --> 01:50:29,320
So there is a bus, MTI bus grant that a man there is eating for the KPA, for the night.

1291
01:50:29,720 --> 01:50:31,220
God, you bus, that's nice.

1292
01:50:31,660 --> 01:50:32,220
Thank you.

1293
01:50:32,220 --> 01:50:32,260
Thank you.

1294
01:50:32,260 --> 01:50:32,520
Thank you.

1295
01:50:33,420 --> 01:50:34,600
Thank you.

1296
01:50:34,600 --> 01:50:35,000
Thank you.

1297
01:50:35,280 --> 01:50:35,520
Thank you.

1298
01:50:36,560 --> 01:50:36,620
Yeah.

1299
01:50:38,680 --> 01:50:39,020
So.

1300
01:50:42,830 --> 01:50:46,310
A little cover from November.

1301
01:50:47,450 --> 01:50:51,570
26, the large, the end of every six to March 28.

1302
01:50:53,560 --> 01:50:55,060
So it'll be the entire winter season.

1303
01:50:55,280 --> 01:50:58,300
Currently there is no night service.

1304
01:50:58,760 --> 01:51:00,420
So we're looking to restore that.

1305
01:51:00,420 --> 01:51:02,820
This is something that Killington had.

1306
01:51:02,820 --> 01:51:05,860
What maybe two years ago before the recent cut.

1307
01:51:05,980 --> 01:51:07,540
We've had it every winter.

1308
01:51:07,860 --> 01:51:09,240
We didn't have it this summer.

1309
01:51:10,020 --> 01:51:10,040
Okay.

1310
01:51:10,260 --> 01:51:13,940
But we had to work pretty hard to fund last winter.

1311
01:51:13,940 --> 01:51:29,020
That came out of, that's what we, we raised some money we got money from the town, but it's a huge need for the community to be able to have this service and bring people to our town and have service for our employees.

1312
01:51:29,020 --> 01:51:37,540
And anyway, I'm going to put a lot of work in to apply to this mobility and transportation

1313
01:51:37,540 --> 01:51:43,160
innovation grant through the amount of agency of transportation, and we do need a local

1314
01:51:43,160 --> 01:51:43,500
match.

1315
01:51:43,620 --> 01:51:46,360
But she's done the research, so I'll let her sure I'm at it.

1316
01:51:46,880 --> 01:51:54,080
So in short, this is about $57,924,000 dollars.

1317
01:51:54,080 --> 01:52:12,400
So instead of, I believe one of your quotes for the same service was upward of like 89,000, I ended up getting a similar quote, I think I cut out like one or two routes based on meat after talking to businesses in the area.

1318
01:52:12,400 --> 01:52:26,600
So similar, it would go all the way through 10 p.m. so those of our restaurants who are working the currently with our restaurants would be able to get a ride home back to Rutland after closing.

1319
01:52:30,000 --> 01:52:51,220
15% or so match that is required. And it's my understanding that you guys as the select board have allocated about $33,000 for the bus. I know there was a couple outstanding invoices that need it to be paid ahead of anything else.

1320
01:52:51,220 --> 01:53:00,960
But if my math is right, even if you assisted with the match, there would still be a couple thousand left over.

1321
01:53:02,820 --> 01:53:04,340
I'm going to jump in here.

1322
01:53:04,760 --> 01:53:12,280
Okay, so the appropriations is $1,200 a year from the bus for the daytime.

1323
01:53:13,560 --> 01:53:21,740
I only know this because I sit on the marble valley plus only me once the second Tuesday of every month.

1324
01:53:23,080 --> 01:53:32,260
Chris Carr and I have worked on this bus nighttime summer and went to time, probably for about five years now.

1325
01:53:32,400 --> 01:53:38,200
But yes, this was the first summer in about five years. We didn't have a nighttime bus.

1326
01:53:38,940 --> 01:53:43,520
Last year for the winter, it was like $76,000.

1327
01:53:43,520 --> 01:53:48,500
we've now you're saying 72, which it kind of a couple of years or whatever, okay. So last year was

1328
01:53:48,500 --> 01:54:00,700
$76,000. The town kicked in $65,000. The resort kicked in $75,000. And then there's a list of people

1329
01:54:00,700 --> 01:54:06,060
from the local businesses, you know, 400 here, 500 there that made up the difference.

1330
01:54:10,170 --> 01:54:14,950
So it's the

1331
01:54:14,950 --> 01:54:24,770
Now, we're going to come back to the board approved a $1,200 appropriation, but in-house

1332
01:54:24,770 --> 01:54:33,070
when we added in some 31,000 or whatever, okay, to get the 33,000, 31,800 or whatever

1333
01:54:33,070 --> 01:54:33,870
from there,

1334
01:54:36,040 --> 01:54:38,160
they put it into appropriations.

1335
01:54:39,140 --> 01:54:44,820
So Jade, and I think you have paperwork in here also from her with the invoices in that

1336
01:54:44,820 --> 01:54:45,000
week.

1337
01:54:45,000 --> 01:55:10,760
So she's coming in and saying that this came to me the other day for the summer service for a total of 16,000, six hundred.

1338
01:55:12,330 --> 01:55:19,690
And technically, they believe we owe them $32,000 for appropriations, but we're not putting

1339
01:55:19,690 --> 01:55:25,790
anyone in for the nighttime bus anymore, and it shouldn't have been accounted that way.

1340
01:55:26,510 --> 01:55:31,950
So she goes on to say, but I explained that they chose to withhold his funds, which we

1341
01:55:31,950 --> 01:55:33,830
have also not been paid $32,000.

1342
01:55:34,350 --> 01:55:39,050
You and I discussed that the town was not going to be responsible for the gap and the funds

1343
01:55:39,050 --> 01:55:39,770
from that agreement.

1344
01:55:39,770 --> 01:55:51,070
When I say UNI, it's May and J. We're trying to get this bus over to KPA, and then we can try to help from there.

1345
01:55:51,690 --> 01:55:56,550
FY 27, which the budget is passed now, $33,000 is appropriate.

1346
01:55:57,610 --> 01:56:01,990
$33,000 is they will build the town $33,000.

1347
01:56:03,590 --> 01:56:09,650
They may choose to use the funds to support winter service, but first we'll see if the

1348
01:56:09,650 --> 01:56:13,570
KPA and the NTI grant can cover the magic spends.

1349
01:56:14,010 --> 01:56:18,810
I don't know how the NTI grant would cover the magic spends, because the NTI is the grant itself.

1350
01:56:20,710 --> 01:56:26,710
If so, we will put the funds to the RKC service that serves the towndale.

1351
01:56:27,450 --> 01:56:36,810
Jay has agreed to use the $16,600 from the $33,000 that's just the proof of the appropriations

1352
01:56:36,810 --> 01:56:41,070
to cover the FY26 mispayments.

1353
01:56:41,710 --> 01:56:46,690
Moving forward after this, the expectation will be to receive the appropriations separate from

1354
01:56:46,690 --> 01:56:49,530
all other services and we'll be using the same.

1355
01:56:49,530 --> 01:57:04,410
So, I hope the boss listens to this video because once again, it's $1,200 that has been approved for appropriations.

1356
01:57:05,450 --> 01:57:13,930
The $33,000 included the balance to go to nighttime service in the town of Killington.

1357
01:57:13,930 --> 01:57:19,470
Okay, so the right now they're saying 33,000 dollars. We owe them some

1358
01:57:19,850 --> 01:57:22,330
Call it 17,000 dollars

1359
01:57:22,330 --> 01:57:25,690
Okay, so there's 16,000

1360
01:57:27,870 --> 01:57:32,630
Left there and they're just saying that if MTI can't pay

1361
01:57:33,450 --> 01:57:41,110
Oh, the match then it wouldn't be a match. It would be a full grant right and hand it MTI was going to give us everything

1362
01:57:41,110 --> 01:57:46,290
Yeah, it doesn't work that way. So someone has to match. Someone has to match.

1363
01:57:47,010 --> 01:57:50,870
And overall we're looking for a more diversified funding model moving forward.

1364
01:57:51,610 --> 01:57:56,790
This is a stepping stone. This is a let's get on ourselves through winter.

1365
01:57:57,430 --> 01:58:03,790
And then reconvene with more partners looking at summer service and the following winter service.

1366
01:58:03,790 --> 01:58:14,990
So let's you and I sit with Jade this week or next week and have a very frank conversation

1367
01:58:14,990 --> 01:58:21,710
with them that it's $1,200 for appropriations.

1368
01:58:22,610 --> 01:58:30,950
They wanted to go to $2,200 this past year they didn't because that would be the fair amount

1369
01:58:30,950 --> 01:58:31,810
for the town.

1370
01:58:31,810 --> 01:58:40,130
So, let's just sit maybe back if you come into and just sit there and say, listen, we need

1371
01:58:40,130 --> 01:58:50,310
the $15,000 from this 33 to go to this nighttime bus for the winter, and this is what

1372
01:58:50,310 --> 01:58:57,170
people will hate me, but if you don't want to do that, then the following year we're

1373
01:58:57,170 --> 01:59:06,810
growing on a approved $10,000 to the bus for appropriations, not the $33,000.

1374
01:59:07,370 --> 01:59:12,850
Okay, Lisa Davis, Lewis is sitting, I can see most of these in the middle one in the square.

1375
01:59:14,430 --> 01:59:20,810
I think, no matter if the outcome doesn't come, we should have a talk with the planning

1376
01:59:20,810 --> 01:59:26,030
commission, because there is $200,000 in special projects.

1377
01:59:27,130 --> 01:59:32,430
So I think that would be a good use if we can't get this worked out.

1378
01:59:32,670 --> 01:59:34,350
So a couple of things.

1379
01:59:34,350 --> 01:59:39,290
Yeah, this was a given grant is due to gaps all this Monday.

1380
01:59:40,690 --> 01:59:42,070
So I have a time.

1381
01:59:42,210 --> 01:59:46,230
I hope there's something we can just get from the select board.

1382
01:59:47,270 --> 01:59:49,150
And we believe in my goal.

1383
01:59:50,050 --> 01:59:55,650
Well, I'm going to make a motion that we approve the $15,000 for the match.

1384
01:59:55,650 --> 01:59:59,270
somehow with the friend conversation with

1385
02:00:00,860 --> 02:00:08,340
And we're the government, there's definitely a lot more. So I'm how it comes from the town this evening.

1386
02:00:08,840 --> 02:00:12,540
Yeah, it's either going to be from there or it's going to be from the Planning Commission.

1387
02:00:13,660 --> 02:00:15,000
That's it.

1388
02:00:15,140 --> 02:00:20,380
All right, because there's some $200,000 in the Planning Special Funds.

1389
02:00:21,580 --> 02:00:27,820
And as part of the motion, I think you could just also, you know, endorse the application

1390
02:00:31,120 --> 02:00:45,770
So I'm at a first make of motion at the town, through either model values, 3,000, 3,000 appropriations were paying them,

1391
02:00:45,770 --> 02:00:55,730
work through the planning commission, special projects, finally, be the $15,000 that we

1392
02:00:55,730 --> 02:00:56,830
commit to.

1393
02:00:56,830 --> 02:00:58,150
Imagine that.

1394
02:00:58,390 --> 02:00:59,170
And I get a second.

1395
02:01:00,050 --> 02:01:01,110
Is there any conversation?

1396
02:01:02,430 --> 02:01:03,770
This is something we need.

1397
02:01:04,690 --> 02:01:07,130
So all in favor of that motion say aye.

1398
02:01:07,190 --> 02:01:07,690
Aye.

1399
02:01:07,730 --> 02:01:07,870
Aye.

1400
02:01:08,730 --> 02:01:08,990
Okay.

1401
02:01:10,050 --> 02:01:15,210
Can I get a motion to endorse this graph right?

1402
02:01:15,210 --> 02:01:18,790
who hold it from talent and killing them so like what?

1403
02:01:19,110 --> 02:01:20,130
Check it.

1404
02:01:20,150 --> 02:01:21,470
All in favour of mine.

1405
02:01:22,950 --> 02:01:31,390
I think Rob, if you can sit down with your manor tomorrow or something to write a letter

1406
02:01:31,390 --> 02:01:36,110
or maybe Lisa writes a letter on the behalf of this select board for us this time.

1407
02:01:36,110 --> 02:01:36,530
myself.

1408
02:01:36,990 --> 02:01:41,690
I think we'll write something to get over to Rob and Jim.

1409
02:01:42,770 --> 02:01:43,570
Okay, thank you.

1410
02:01:43,570 --> 02:01:51,330
So, so I'm going to, so we approved the letter. Can I just get a motion for the chair of the select board to sign that letter?

1411
02:01:52,450 --> 02:01:55,030
So we don't have to track everyone down.

1412
02:01:55,510 --> 02:01:55,830
A motion.

1413
02:01:56,570 --> 02:01:56,810
Second.

1414
02:01:57,970 --> 02:01:58,410
All in favor.

1415
02:01:58,750 --> 02:01:59,050
All right.

1416
02:01:59,610 --> 02:01:59,750
All right.

1417
02:02:00,170 --> 02:02:00,230
All right.

1418
02:02:00,230 --> 02:02:03,170
I was just also saying we have over two bills.

1419
02:02:06,090 --> 02:02:06,370
Okay.

1420
02:02:06,550 --> 02:02:09,090
So when we paid the $65,000,

1421
02:02:09,090 --> 02:02:18,050
Yes, the question was asked to the financial director last year, how much money do we have extra

1422
02:02:18,050 --> 02:02:23,630
end to pay, and that we didn't, but make sure we have the numbers that we still owed.

1423
02:02:24,590 --> 02:02:29,230
And somehow the $14,600 and $1,200 was missed.

1424
02:02:30,490 --> 02:02:35,990
Okay, so that being said, we move on.

1425
02:02:35,990 --> 02:02:41,390
Okay, so I think we're citizens input again.

1426
02:02:41,450 --> 02:02:45,230
I just wanted to say that's around here.

1427
02:02:45,230 --> 02:02:50,990
I mean, can we get that bill paid to like move forward,

1428
02:02:52,630 --> 02:02:54,330
you know, being really good.

1429
02:02:54,550 --> 02:02:56,430
The one that we met that was missed.

1430
02:02:56,590 --> 02:02:57,230
Get current.

1431
02:02:57,590 --> 02:02:57,990
The two.

1432
02:02:58,810 --> 02:02:59,210
Right.

1433
02:02:59,330 --> 02:03:00,310
That makes the total, like in the state.

1434
02:03:00,310 --> 02:03:02,970
Well, that's a count of killing 10 bills, too.

1435
02:03:02,970 --> 02:03:09,190
But Jim was kind enough to share that information when he was getting me the whole run down on the bus so I appreciate that

1436
02:03:09,750 --> 02:03:15,790
And there's a $33,000 appropriation bill that's due. Okay, so

1437
02:03:17,450 --> 02:03:20,050
It's September 14 now

1438
02:03:20,670 --> 02:03:27,390
Tax bills are going out next month. Okay for November 15 am it

1439
02:03:27,390 --> 02:03:32,950
I spoke with Jade after Tuesday's meeting last week and told her that once we have the

1440
02:03:32,970 --> 02:03:39,810
funds come in. We paid the $33,000 to her. Okay, so it's time not to buy it but to marble

1441
02:03:39,810 --> 02:03:45,850
value bus. And that's where we have to sit down and have that frank conversation if they decide

1442
02:03:45,850 --> 02:03:51,290
not to and we have the backup with the planning commission. But that would include those two bills

1443
02:03:51,290 --> 02:03:59,410
and just getting $33,000 includes the two bills. Okay, so if they decide to hold on to the $16,000

1444
02:03:59,410 --> 02:04:10,250
and not use $15,000 to a night bus, then we will change the budget for next year, because

1445
02:04:10,250 --> 02:04:17,410
technically the town is only over $12,000 in the past. And we need to go to, I think it's $10,000

1446
02:04:17,410 --> 02:04:24,830
next year is what they ask for. We will not do $33,000. They can have that frank conversation

1447
02:04:24,830 --> 02:04:34,180
bad with us. Okay, so I think the bus is something that's needed here. You know, I don't

1448
02:04:34,180 --> 02:04:40,560
know how they got away without this summertime. There's a lot of people staff needs the

1449
02:04:40,560 --> 02:04:49,000
bus whenever. Ron, I just see your hand up. So give me a second. Yeah, yeah, so I see it's a

1450
02:04:49,000 --> 02:04:56,340
in that. So all right, so you're a question, we have to pay the $33,000.

1451
02:04:56,820 --> 02:05:02,340
Can we just have a minute to reflect that the KPA did pay 5,000 into the night route?

1452
02:05:02,600 --> 02:05:02,800
That's true.

1453
02:05:02,820 --> 02:05:08,360
KPA paid 5,000 into the winter last year.

1454
02:05:09,120 --> 02:05:11,540
The Resort kicked in, I think, 7,500.

1455
02:05:11,540 --> 02:05:20,400
and then there were around 8 or 9 other companies in town that paid 400 or 500 and the

1456
02:05:20,400 --> 02:05:26,260
KPA put in 5,000. So let's make sure that that is in the minutes, okay? All right, and I'll

1457
02:05:26,260 --> 02:05:32,580
give a list to the person that writes the minutes of all those that put the money yet, okay? So

1458
02:05:32,580 --> 02:05:37,580
I'm going to start around the room for us for citizens comment, Deb Burke.

1459
02:05:38,740 --> 02:05:39,380
I know.

1460
02:05:39,840 --> 02:05:40,320
I know.

1461
02:05:41,000 --> 02:05:41,140
Okay.

1462
02:05:42,180 --> 02:05:42,780
Jay Mona.

1463
02:05:43,920 --> 02:05:44,180
Yes.

1464
02:05:44,340 --> 02:05:46,000
So one moment of touch where you said.

1465
02:05:48,150 --> 02:05:54,130
The tax rate is being worked on right now with Sara Naci because of the tip.

1466
02:05:54,930 --> 02:06:00,390
And I believe we're going to, when we get down to selectments, comments, and concerns.

1467
02:06:00,390 --> 02:06:07,350
I know I'm going to be asking for a special meeting, it's either, I forget what the

1468
02:06:07,350 --> 02:06:12,170
date and I have to look it out, that Sarah Macy has given for us the set to date, but

1469
02:06:12,170 --> 02:06:19,670
it's in the first week of October, which is plenty of time for us to get the bills out by

1470
02:06:19,670 --> 02:06:23,930
the October 15th, for an November 15th, okay?

1471
02:06:25,090 --> 02:06:27,570
So, jam, Roger, I guess.

1472
02:06:28,170 --> 02:06:30,330
And Roger, I have one more.

1473
02:06:30,950 --> 02:06:39,270
So, I mean, as a transportation about the fall,

1474
02:06:40,470 --> 02:06:44,570
not bad, but let's put it on the agenda

1475
02:06:44,570 --> 02:06:46,310
for the next meeting for all of you.

1476
02:06:46,470 --> 02:06:47,050
But that's a lot.

1477
02:06:47,050 --> 02:06:48,550
What are you talking about?

1478
02:06:48,570 --> 02:06:49,510
What are you talking about?

1479
02:06:49,890 --> 02:06:51,450
Throwing your matches is out and everything.

1480
02:06:51,670 --> 02:06:52,530
Clean up from the neighborhood.

1481
02:06:53,390 --> 02:06:54,810
So put that on the next.

1482
02:06:55,610 --> 02:07:02,370
And at the same time, me, you want to have the talk of an average

1483
02:07:02,370 --> 02:07:03,170
in that range.

1484
02:07:03,390 --> 02:07:04,570
We're going to have to talk about the rating,

1485
02:07:04,630 --> 02:07:05,890
which is two on both sides.

1486
02:07:07,090 --> 02:07:07,930
Look at that.

1487
02:07:12,860 --> 02:07:12,980
Right.

1488
02:07:13,900 --> 02:07:15,340
Ron Kish, go ahead.

1489
02:07:17,040 --> 02:07:20,120
So I am just, you know, being there has been a lot

1490
02:07:23,120 --> 02:07:29,960
I have to ask, is there an update on where we are with how manager...

1491
02:07:32,930 --> 02:07:38,910
We're currently paying two town managers right now, and where is that in the budget?

1492
02:07:41,590 --> 02:07:46,790
Well, we don't have a fire chief. We're not a full highway department.

1493
02:07:48,290 --> 02:07:57,350
We don't have a director of finance. We don't have a recreation person. We don't have a public worksperson in there.

1494
02:07:58,010 --> 02:08:03,290
So, we're well aware of it, and we are waiting on an answer back this week from the

1495
02:08:03,290 --> 02:08:08,250
town attorney, of when the hearing is going to be.

1496
02:08:11,370 --> 02:08:14,770
I wouldn't look at the leg, I have made, wouldn't look at the leg in the hearing

1497
02:08:14,770 --> 02:08:16,510
and ask for by.

1498
02:08:18,450 --> 02:08:19,510
It's both sides.

1499
02:08:19,630 --> 02:08:20,570
It's both sides.

1500
02:08:21,070 --> 02:08:21,770
What's both sides?

1501
02:08:22,190 --> 02:08:24,890
Well, I'm just being kind of, I can talk to you, okay.

1502
02:08:25,750 --> 02:08:30,910
Patrick, please be quiet, well, I'm not going to talk to Patrick, please be

1503
02:08:30,910 --> 02:08:37,610
Patrick this is not your meeting, okay? It is not your meeting public doesn't talk to public

1504
02:08:38,350 --> 02:08:44,510
directed to the chair and you're not up yet. Never alive. Do I have Ron?

1505
02:08:45,270 --> 02:08:55,290
I'm sorry. I'm only asking because with the delight you think he's on tape leave our tax dollars are being spent so

1506
02:08:56,330 --> 02:08:58,810
as a tax payer, I'm just asking.

1507
02:08:59,410 --> 02:09:00,430
And we answer to questions.

1508
02:09:00,590 --> 02:09:03,570
This is nothing, bit Patrick, this is nothing against you.

1509
02:09:03,630 --> 02:09:05,690
This is nothing against the town, I just want to ask.

1510
02:09:05,710 --> 02:09:10,330
Ron, don't have a conversation with another public person, please.

1511
02:09:11,010 --> 02:09:13,750
Especially with the person that's on paid leave.

1512
02:09:14,310 --> 02:09:20,650
We're not, if the person that's on paid leave would like to talk to us at a board meeting,

1513
02:09:20,650 --> 02:09:27,510
Please forward it to your town attorney, stop talking to not touch your attorney,

1514
02:09:27,970 --> 02:09:29,990
to forward it to the town attorney.

1515
02:09:30,750 --> 02:09:37,750
We are not here to answer the person that is on interim leave at this time.

1516
02:09:38,190 --> 02:09:40,250
Debbie LeBron, you have your hand raised.

1517
02:09:42,320 --> 02:09:44,800
Yeah, just two simple comments.

1518
02:09:45,580 --> 02:09:48,340
When you were talking about the fireworks at the summit,

1519
02:09:48,340 --> 02:09:55,120
And I personally don't have a job, but I know a lot of people are concerned when there

1520
02:09:55,120 --> 02:09:56,020
are fireworks.

1521
02:09:56,700 --> 02:10:03,040
So I'm thinking that the town should have a way to hold people in your fireworks.

1522
02:10:04,680 --> 02:10:06,580
I don't know how to do it.

1523
02:10:08,460 --> 02:10:13,740
Possibly the display board that the, I don't know if it's the fire department down.

1524
02:10:13,860 --> 02:10:19,640
We will be putting it up onto the display, the firehouse, and then also the KPA AS here.

1525
02:10:19,640 --> 02:10:26,300
and there we'll be putting it up at the side of the bottom of the road and then when there's

1526
02:10:26,300 --> 02:10:26,820
Mailchimp.

1527
02:10:27,040 --> 02:10:32,140
And as Mailchimp, the Mailchimp will go out and the minutes will reflect it in its two weeks

1528
02:10:32,140 --> 02:10:34,080
and a couple of days from now.

1529
02:10:34,460 --> 02:10:39,160
Because we did small days, we could put some, let me just finish the study.

1530
02:10:39,380 --> 02:10:44,500
Jay just said that he's shaking his head, he could put it up at the transportation, we can

1531
02:10:44,500 --> 02:10:49,560
get a notice of it, the library, we could put a notice of it, the market and the

1532
02:10:51,500 --> 02:11:00,360
We can get this out there. I have two dogs and I lived right next to the summit lodge.

1533
02:11:01,660 --> 02:11:04,920
So I understand how dogs need to be.

1534
02:11:05,260 --> 02:11:07,560
Well, owners of tools need to be warned.

1535
02:11:08,520 --> 02:11:12,560
So it's solid set, but we will get this out.

1536
02:11:12,560 --> 02:11:20,460
So, I'm not just for this event, but for any fireworks in town, I think it should be something to be brought up on.

1537
02:11:20,720 --> 02:11:22,160
And maybe you call this it.

1538
02:11:22,540 --> 02:11:29,020
The second line of my head was a lot of different bills about the length hanging at the end of the access row.

1539
02:11:29,660 --> 02:11:37,940
I know when I'm traveling, these, and I go past the access row, there's not a fair line for people to stop,

1540
02:11:37,940 --> 02:11:42,640
and it feels like people are coming out with right on to the board, so thank you.

1541
02:11:42,820 --> 02:11:43,500
Thank you, Debbie.

1542
02:11:43,960 --> 02:11:44,540
That's all.

1543
02:11:44,820 --> 02:11:45,680
Thank you.

1544
02:11:45,920 --> 02:11:49,340
And I think it is more that we put a policy.

1545
02:11:50,020 --> 02:11:53,020
I could just want to be out of policy when the fire department was doing it.

1546
02:11:53,140 --> 02:11:54,720
They would put it up at the different sides.

1547
02:11:55,540 --> 02:11:59,080
But if you just want to hear it because it's like five, five, five, three.

1548
02:11:59,680 --> 02:12:00,220
It's not it.

1549
02:12:00,220 --> 02:12:01,960
And I know if you as I always fireworks.

1550
02:12:02,160 --> 02:12:02,860
This is going to be done.

1551
02:12:02,860 --> 02:12:18,280
It's the light time alert. It's the light on September 26th to 5.30, but yeah. So it will be put around, but I do think once we get through the fire to stuff, yeah, hopefully we get a couple more people to fly.

1552
02:12:19,580 --> 02:12:26,660
So you have choice of people. It gets back to lying

1553
02:12:28,740 --> 02:12:30,040
in the papers and stuff.

1554
02:12:30,040 --> 02:12:38,440
And I'm sure poly is on here or listening still or recording and Katie is and it will get that way too

1555
02:12:38,440 --> 02:12:41,360
also on about it.

1556
02:12:41,520 --> 02:12:46,780
Polygis gave thumbs up a nice one and go out the screen and it's very creative.

1557
02:12:47,320 --> 02:12:49,780
Maybe if I could do that with the shooting range too.

1558
02:12:50,400 --> 02:12:52,980
That's all the time, so all right.

1559
02:12:52,980 --> 02:12:54,880
So, it's the shit out of my life.

1560
02:12:54,880 --> 02:12:55,820
Oh, that's the shit.

1561
02:12:55,820 --> 02:12:57,020
So, that's the way I'm not concerned.

1562
02:12:57,700 --> 02:12:59,020
John, anything.

1563
02:12:59,980 --> 02:13:01,580
Bill, I've got no facility anything.

1564
02:13:01,640 --> 02:13:03,320
I do want to mention two quick things.

1565
02:13:03,560 --> 02:13:06,080
And they're kind of, you know, town nice to know.

1566
02:13:06,140 --> 02:13:10,040
So, I think the pilot apartment did a really nice job on the Pancake Breakfast

1567
02:13:10,040 --> 02:13:10,880
last Saturday.

1568
02:13:11,300 --> 02:13:15,360
Bill, you helped and Mary did to early in the morning set up.

1569
02:13:15,440 --> 02:13:16,280
But we did that.

1570
02:13:16,280 --> 02:13:17,740
And I thought they did a great job.

1571
02:13:18,180 --> 02:13:19,100
JP paid for a lot.

1572
02:13:19,120 --> 02:13:20,100
I think all the ingredients.

1573
02:13:20,540 --> 02:13:22,100
I hope they continue to do that.

1574
02:13:22,100 --> 02:13:34,900
So it's the distillery mountain in not one person. Okay, but then the walk was that was nice to the whole plan was great. And then the other thing that I think is really great is the fairytale

1575
02:13:36,640 --> 02:13:42,840
What is the festival festival has a get together from four to six this week and

1576
02:13:42,840 --> 02:13:51,260
Also the the KPA is invited the select board to go to that dinner. So I think both of those are really really nice for people to know

1577
02:13:51,260 --> 02:14:00,520
Thank you. I have nothing. So John I'm motion to motion to adjourn and

1578
02:14:00,520 --> 02:14:03,480
50 seconds. All in favor.