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I've been in meetings all day.

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» Hey

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have thoughts. It's hard.

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» You're good. I got something in my eye.

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You know, nothing. Good to see you. I
don't know anything.

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» Well, it's good to be seen.
>> Yeah.

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» Good to be Hey, uh did they uh
did somebody buy that house?

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I I'm moving you back where you used to
be.

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» Yeah, I I was going to move back there.
>> Did they uh

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» I got I'm having the garage tore down. I
had a court order to to clean it up.

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A grizzle, right?
>> Yeah.

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» Yeah.
>> See, I got boarded up.

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» Yep. Who did that?

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take minutes.
>> Oh, okay. I'll just if you wouldn't

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mind.
>> Okay. But does someone have my packet?

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Because I don't have one in my box.
>> There's no packet. Period.

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» I don't have one in my box.
>> Did she put it out for you?

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» Yeah.
>> No.

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» Just you here.
>> Why? Bill's not here.

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» They got They're not here. Bill's here.
Oh, I don't. Okay,

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we'll get rid of George. Not get rid of
one.

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» All righty. All right.
>> I think I guess I'll take that. Thank

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you.
>> Oh, I got it electronically. The only

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thing that wasn't in there was the
minute. So,

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» did you get that one from the attorney?
>> Yep. She sent that in another email.

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» She did.
>> Yes. This one?

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» Yep. I got We got that one. Is this Do
you have a completed one of this?

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» You can look, but
>> we do not. And that's for Z. Correct.

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» Yeah.

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The uh what I have is
>> she just on the electronic one, it was

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highlighted in areas that he didn't
complete it. So that's why I just asked

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» they asked if they could finish it here
during the meeting. They weren't.

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» This ain't Mr. Terrell's first um rodeo.
>> Mr. Zel is uh did the

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» I know. But is Mr. Trello and his sister
going to be here today?

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» His wife.
>> Oh, okay.

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» Joy,
>> I don't know her. No,

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» our county commissioner.
>> Oh, so this ain't the same. This ain't

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» Yes,
>> this is the same.

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» I didn't look.
>> No.

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» Is this Mark?
>> No, it says Dean.

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» Oh, Dean. Okay. Is that a brother then?
>> It is a brother

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» because it usually is um
What's his sister's name that lives in

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um Wales in the Stone House?
>> Yeah, you do. Neo

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» Kathy.
>> Yeah, that sounds right.

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» Kathy is one of the sisters.
>> Yep.

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» And then the other one is has that
business up at by Lexington.

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» I don't know.
>> Hey, Bill.

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» Hey.
>> So,

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Good to see you.
>> Gary says, "Good to be seen."

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» Yeah, I guess
>> I got a piece of concrete in my eye.

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Okay,

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» I'm buying a ConX box.
>> What is that?

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Don't worry. Don't worry.
>> I got a 24 foot

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» neck trailer.
>> I know what I'm folding to that sucker.

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» As far as uh Sparingville Baptist
Church, they had a permit for footings

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only and it expires on 11 of 26.
>> Okay.

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» I I don't know what else to do to that.
They have never

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» You're still not doing it, huh?
>> No.

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» No.
>> No. So, I I'll give you a copy of this.

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It's footings only. We did give them a
permit. They paid for the permit and

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it's good till November.
>> Okay.

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» Chickens

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that.
Next one is

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should.

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» All right. So, this is something that we
picked up from the MTA meeting.

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» Okay.
>> It's in regards to the state trying to

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take over the zoning and planning.
>> Okay. And there's a

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» there's a lot more information if you go
off with your phone and you take a

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picture of this.
>> Okay.

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» You can get more there's a copy in here
for everybody.

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» Okay.
>> Okay.

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» Sounds good.
>> Trying to make it so their houses can

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only be have to be 5t apart
>> and take away the all your rights along

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with
Okay.

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» Yeah.
Of

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course.

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» Oh, okay. So, this one this one.

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Yes.

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» Thank you.
>> You're welcome.

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» Do you have any more?
>> I need more.

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» Do you want more paper as

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» Oh, okay.
So, okay.

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See what's on there. Gillette. That's
okay. That's this one.

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» Where's Peggy?
>> Okay.

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» There's

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only
So, hello. Hey, Becky.

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» Can I do you have the um
>> can I ask for the meeting book to look

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up these two ponds in preparation for
our item for our item today?

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» Can I see the meeting book so I can take
some notes on what we did with these two

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approvals?
So, this was this was

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» No, this is going to be a while.
>> Do you guys still just put them in the

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book?

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» Okay. I just know I'd like this like the
time. Usually, we do $1,000 times and

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something else
>> just to be consistent.

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» Hanging in there.
>> You don't? Yeah.

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» Yeah. Did you guys hear about the pope?
>> No.

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» They requested special prayer for him
Sunday. Thought he had the bird flu.

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» They checked him out and by Joe he did
have the bird.

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» They think he got it from a cardinal.

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» Yeah, this will work.
>> Still going to take me get some used to

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your new uh
>> not yet new soul patch.

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You got one, too.
>> You look like you're ready to start a

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rock band, though.
>> No, I was just asking for the meeting

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minutes to be consistent for it up here.
>> That's a solid idea. I like that. Uh,

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that's being a true conservative show.
>> You're not resorting to doctors. You're

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taking medical into your
>> Yep. This is cool.

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» I heard the
>> This is back in January

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process. I just wanted consistency on
the ponds.

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» But why I guess why Mr.
>> recently

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told him he had 6 months
>> 14 days in rehab.

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» What happened?
>> He had until August.

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» Yeah, that's part of it. Okay.
>> You start

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kind of infection from the

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medicine they were why you talk
>> and it was

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» we did this back in April.
>> Glad you're still with us.

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» We'll take a review.
>> I guess we'll give an up. We'll give it

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an up.
What is he asking for?

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» And you know I was praying to go

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» that's how bad it was.

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» Life insurance for kids. Okay.
And a bunch of grandkids.

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» They probably got any great grandkids.
>> They probably celebrate my

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» Oh, yeah. Cuz they're sick of seeing you
in pain.

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» But didn't they make him get a bond?
>> Well,

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» isn't that what the bond for?
>> I lost all my balance.

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» You didn't have to get one.
>> That's fine.

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» Did he have to get one? My wife brought
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» cuz

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they overseen.
>> All right.

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» I haven't been driving because of my
>> Yeah. Is Mr. Francis going to be here?

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» I've graduated from
>> No, Mr. Francis.

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» Still graduating.

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» Very cool. below this one right here.
>> Okay, so they're just going to sit and

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talk to us then.
>> Yes.

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» Okay,
that's fine. You cannot negotiate during

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» recondition

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training session.
>> What's that one

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» of what they're wanting to do there?
What is the request?

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» Okayur,
>> but are they going to send something? I

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read that and I don't want to impose on
a definition or I borrow your car and I

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drive
>> his right. Well, his request was to come

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to us.
>> Where's that supposed to be?

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» Yes. But we also
>> some out

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» that's the way.
>> Yeah.

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» Yeah. And there's some
>> But he doesn't I got what I read.

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» I don't care how
>> he doesn't want to do this. He just

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wants the partial. He wants to come and
request a reconditional reszoning as

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industrial with stipulations.
>> Correct. But he has to say that.

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» So this is more of just a kind of show
with chitchatting.

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» I don't think I have a
>> he wants temper. He wants to feel the

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temperature, right?
>> Oh, here it is.

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» But also here it is.
>> You got one.

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That ain't my fault. I thought the
township was back.

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» The definition
I think would be

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» I'm sure whoever does,
>> right? But he doesn't want to do that.

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That's what not what
>> I've been to some of them.

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» Right. I read this doesn't want to do
it.

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» But if you could find a definition,
that's why that green

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» with the
outside of it all the

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setbacks.

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» So they just talk about what they want.
>> We read our definition

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» and then the question would be what
additional

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» do you want? What additional
>> gotcha I understand that

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» actually I did.
>> So this is more but you can't make any

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» not much pain. Th this is not you cannot
negotiate. That was made very clear.

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They request and it's an up or down yes
or no then you say no go back and then

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they supposed to read between the lines
I guess with meeting minutes being so

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what did they talk about like vegetation
buffers

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» limitation yeah that kind of right and
then they come back with the present or

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come back but Mr.
against the neighbor. Where is Mr.

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» Mr. Zel?
>> There he is.

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» Get over by.
>> Okay, I'm good.

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» Telegraph.
>> So, where's that right there?

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» With the pictures.
>> Hey, bud. How are you?

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» Good to see you.
>> Good to see anybody. Hi.

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» This is This is different than the
drawing in the This must be in addition

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to
>> Let me Let me Let me ask you something.

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» This is Did you hear about the folk
Sunday? that's there.

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» They they asked for special prayer for
him. They thought he had the third flu.

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» Okay, now I got to get
>> after they checked, he did.

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» I I understood it with the
>> I think he got it from the cardinal

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» when I was looking at
>> I knew

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» not this one.
>> Oh,

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» there was a
>> Yes. I didn't hear anything about the

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pope, but we hear about
>> pretty good one. You come up with that

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yourself? Huh?
>> You're not on social media, so I don't

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think you got it on social media.
>> There's a difference.

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» Is that a old joke you were told?
>> No joke.

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» Hey, this guy's got a shiny head.
>> Yep.

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» Looks good.
>> Kind of look like you.

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» Yeah.
>> Yours is nice, Mr.

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» Yes.
>> Yeah. I wish my

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» this was the better drawing cuz I
understood this one.

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» But this is this is
>> you know I've all

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» the tailor. No, the tailor goes in front
with it.

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» Then it's wrong.

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» Mhm.
>> Cuz cuz it's uh

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» we never come in. Where's Mr.
does not match this? No,

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» I think
>> no.

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» One lady miss
>> this pond.

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» Miss,
>> there's nothing on here that

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corresponds.
>> She's so quiet. I don't I can't think of

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her name.
>> This is Charles Place right here.

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Charles right there.
>> The one far away.

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» Harris.
>> Then this was the old Taylor, right?

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» If this is the one, this is the newer
house.

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Then this was I don't know who owns it
now. This is the other this is

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» Oh, there we go.
>> Henry, what's the first one?

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» Jennifer Henry.
>> She's

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don't drive.
>> Oh, okay. Cool.

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» Because then this is the parcel that she
crossed out.

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» This is must be the house. Is this
supposed to be our house right here?

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» No.
>> And then this is the barn here.

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» We quit. To
>> me, this would be where the bond is

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going.
>> Correct. Shut the door. This ain't his.

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» I got a buddy. He's growing crazy.
>> Why did they throw this?

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» Yeah, he's
lives there now, but this used to be

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» Paul Cyrus.
Good work.

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» I know Pauly Taylor, but he in the back
>> was on board.

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» That's his house.
>> That one I don't know. And then the kids

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live over here.
>> But she was a dealer.

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» I think he's in his house.
>> He looks young. I know that.

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» That's a brand new house.
But it's been here now probably for like

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five years.
>> He's got a good crew. So maybe he can

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» This used to be This is where you
>> There was two boys and they rode the bus

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with me.
>> Yes.

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» And they're the ones that brought the
gun that

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» he doesn't live there anymore either.
And they they used to be Taylor.

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» No. Then there's this one.

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beach.
>> This one here is on.

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Where's he going to get the sand on?
>> No, this one's This is Z. This is this

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one.
>> That's this one off the table.

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» Are you talking You're talking about
getting

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» Yeah, Gillette. They've been here
before.

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» That's on t That's on the pier.
>> That's on the pier across from where

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he's renting. But where they do that?
>> Well, they've been working there before.

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They're the ones that
>> jump

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the next

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Google Earth. Show my wife
>> and they named it after you.

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» I'm going to live on Dunlap until I
>> Now, is Dunlap the same road that turns

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the potato?
>> Same road. So both sides were named

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yesterday. I guess it's just
>> Well, Taylor tried to change the name.

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» Can we start
years ago?

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» Well,
>> like the Hatsfield McCoy.

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» I pledge allegiance to the flag of the
United States of America and to the

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republic for which it stands, one nation
under God, indivisible, with liberty and

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justice for all.
>> And roll call, please.

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here.
>> Here

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» I have a approval of the agenda.
>> I'll move to approve the agenda for the

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April 28, 2026 planning commission
meeting.

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» A second.
>> Have approval and a second. All those in

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favor signify by saying I.
>> I. Post same sign.

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Approval of the minutes for February
24th, 2026.

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» I'll move to approve the minutes with
one correction on page one, letter C. If

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we can change the word board to
commission.

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» I second.

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I have a a motion to accept. All those
in favor of significant

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one. Got it.
>> Okay.

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» Okay.
We're going to have a open public

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hearing
for

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2780 Taylor Drive pond and sand removal.
We're going to open the meeting at

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» Do you want a motion, Mr. Motion to open
it?

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» Yeah. I'll move to open a public hearing
for 2780 Taylor Drive upon insane

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removal request at 6:32.
A second.

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» All those in favor signify by saying I.
>> I.

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» Approved.
Any this uh disapproval?

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Say I
discussion.

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» Who is there? Anybody here

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for the Taylor Road?
>> I'm

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Could you step up to the mic, please?
Marty,

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» before you start, can we clear this up?
Didn't Didn't he have a He was here once

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before.
>> He had a permit for um

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» different address.
>> Burma.

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» Allen Road.
>> Burma.

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» It's Burma.
>> Burma.

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» Burma
>> near Angelwood or Engle Court.

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» That for me that that probably won't
continue.

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» He was working for us at the time and he
left. We just never did any of it.

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Honestly, I'm sorry to waste your time
on that one.

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» No, that's all right. We revoked it last
time we met.

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» Yeah. Okay.
>> Yeah. So, what are we looking to do?

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» Another pit 1.4 acres on Mr. Zville's
property and uh in behind there. I don't

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know if you're familiar with where their
property is, but it's kind of in track

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with where we go into our property. It's
real close. We go down to baseball road.

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So, it's it's right there. It's it's it
makes sense for him. It makes sense for

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us, but
probably a 1.4 acre pond.

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Uh, I think it's 240 by 230 basically
the dimensions. It's all pure sand. It'd

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be great for our community to have sand.
There's very limited amounts of

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resources in our spot.
The only other spots for sand are on

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Cribons Road and of course out of Mid
Michigan. So, we appreciate the

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opportunity to have more material here.
If you really a shortlived project, I

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believe we we'd be and out of there in
one season, maybe two at the most. So we

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have that road bonded um as well as
Finch Road bonded. So truck traffic is

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already allowed there
and

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we maintain it as far as dust and
>> you you only expect two acres of sand

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though
>> one 1.4 four, but we can probably go

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down, you know, 20 ft.

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» That's pure sand down that road.
>> Yeah.

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» What parcel is is this?
>> Yeah. So, that's that's a clarity

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question because what we have in paper,
this one

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» something doesn't jive. It doesn't match
the one I got electronically because

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this here includes your ne the
neighbors, Mr. Zobel,

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» right? Which is
>> Yeah. So, in regards to this needs to be

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updated,
I'm going to use some old names and it

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shows my age because I know where you
are, Mr. Zobel. And then the White House

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next door used to be Taylor's, but I
don't know who owns it anymore. Next

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door is another Taylor and then the
Kates are next door to them.

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» Yes. So, I know the area, but the other
drawing that I got electronically was a

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little better because it did show the
proposed pond.

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» Okay.
>> And this one doesn't because I Huh.

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» Where is the proposed pond? Is that
partial C or

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» it's Mr. Zobel's and like the house
drawing was much better too?

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» Because this is Flbog. This is Taylor
right here. This is Mr. Zobel's house.

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» So,
>> it's up here, right? The 19.59 acres.

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» Here's Flb here.
Okay. Here's my house. Here's my barn.

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» The the pond would be right back here
behind the barn.

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» Yeah.
>> And one piece of hardware or two pieces

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of
>> Well, this is all this is all

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» Well, you have two different
>> were they were bought at two different

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times.
>> And so this is online. Um, it'll be

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» Do you have the the
>> the other drawing? I can pull it up on

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my phone, which I was leaving.
>> This is much better.

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» Will you be leaving the property to go
to flinch ball?

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» No. Once you go right the expressway.
>> Oh,

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» they wrote it here.
>> So, it's right behind Yes, sir. Right

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directly behind the the barn here.
>> Yeah.

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» So, you'll be going across somebody
else's property.

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» No, he's coming off.
>> You're coming off Taylor, right? off of

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Taylor. Come right
>> be coming through my property. I've got

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a drive that that goes back to the back
to the Taylor.

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» Well, that's what I mean. He's gonna
he's going to go off Taylor to Flinch

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Ball.
>> No,

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» I think he's come in Taylor, get his
sand, and go back out to Taylor and go.

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» He's never going down flinch.
>> No, we have no reason to go back to

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Flinch Ball.
>> Okay.

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» No, Mr. T, you have a pit off of
Flinchbug, the dirt portion.

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» We do,
>> but it doesn't connect because

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» does not connect.
>> It doesn't. Everybody's parcels there

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are very deep,
>> very separate, too. Yes.

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» But you've all How long had you had your
pit there?

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» Probably 30 years.
>> Yeah.

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» Because it connected to the golf course,
correct?

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» No, there was a piece in the middle of
that.

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» Oh, it did.
>> Oh, okay.

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» All right.
>> So, thank you, Mr. Zel.

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» Draw it on there.
>> No, but that would probably be a

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condition. If we're going to use this
one

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» versus what electronically we got,
>> it's going to need to be updated.

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» So, that's fine.
Okay.

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» I just don't know. It didn't come with
the paper packet that everybody else

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got. It was in the electronic packet.
The other drawing looked better.

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» Are we going to have problem? Do you
have two different parcel ID numbers

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then?
>> What for?

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» Have you combined the parcels with the
with the county?

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» Well, yeah, I think did that.
>> Well, we can look that up. Okay,

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we can look it up.

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Okay.

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» You plan on hauling out until 10 o'clock
at night?

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» No. No. We our guys are everybody's
getting older now. So,

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» okay.
So, how late do you want to how late are

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you going to be hauling out?
>> You know, most time it's put on there at

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7 o'clock, but we're we're never at 7
o'clock. We're done at 5. You know,

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» 7 to 5 then.
>> Yeah. We could be out there by 5. It'd

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nice to have six in emergency for
something, but it wouldn't be our guys

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won't stay that late.
Any

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other questions of of the board? Why
were

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» people within 300 ft did get letters? We
had no phone calls and no response.

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» Is there anybody here in the audience
that wants to say anything?

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It's all one parcel if anybody I looked
it up.

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» It is.
>> Yep.

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» You got a copy that was in the newspaper
in the mailing list.

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» What newspaper?
time zero.

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» Okay.

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The board

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» I'm seeing you wrote down 5:00 p.m. on
your paper.

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» That's what he said.
>> Yeah. Mo most time though, guys. It

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probably be six o'clock. I'd like to
have it at that time. We won't work that

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late, but an emergency like not have to
say we're restricted to 5.

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» But he's going to he's wanting you to
put that that would be in the permit

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that you'd be done at 5. That is really
enough.

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» I would say most all the time we're done
by four or five o'clock, but our guys

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leave at 5. So, you know, if something
happened that they're out working on a

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machine or something at the last minute,
I say 5.

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» Hauling out of there, hours of trucking
out there.

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» Yeah. We don't we don't leave work past
5 usually

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» at all.
These guys all want to go home by then.

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So they're back at the shop.

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» We got to keep this open for a half an
hour.

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» Uh, no. We really don't.

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» We really don't. If there's nobody Okay.
>> Why don't we just give them till 7 just

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to give them some lenency in case
emergency?

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» Well, that's what Hey, are you Can you
read minds?

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» Can you read minds down there, Mr.
>> I'm just thinking about how it works to

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work in construction? Yeah. So,
just being fair to those that we've

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approved before, including Mr. Trello,
is there any objection in regards to

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We've previously approved Monday through
Friday, 7:00 a.m. to 7:00 p.m. We've

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asked for a $1,000 reclamation bond. And
then I see the application says no more

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than 20 feet, but we've we've also
included that in our approvals before.

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And then you've shared with us a 1.4 4
acre pond which we've we would we've put

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in um and then as shared we need an
updated

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drawing probably you know probably as a
condition is that

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would that be hardship on the applicant.
>> No the only I ask for is if we hardly

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ever work Saturdays anymore but the
emergency came up that we'd have on

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Saturday.
So, in regards to that part,

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» so you're saying you want to be able to
call out on Saturday

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» just in case. Yes.
>> Just in case. Did you hear him say that?

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» Yeah.
>> Today, though, we wouldn't need any more

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than that. It doesn't happen often at
all.

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Pleasure of the board.
>> Well, you got to close the public

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hearing for
>> I have a question, Mr. Chair.

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» I'm just thinking out loud. Um, with all
that traffic going on and off that

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pavement, will that cause any damage to
the edge of the pavement that the county

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should be made aware that we'll need
them to come fix or

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» We have had no damage on Taylor Road at
all. All the trucks have come in out of

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there. So, yeah. No, it's a heavier
road.

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» You guys have that bonded anyways
though, don't you?

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» We do.
>> Yeah. I was going to Are you

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» We could It's easier to ask you, can you
share with us what that is now with the

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road commission?
>> I know we're bonded on flinch. I believe

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we're still bonded on Taylor. Might be
able to answer that question.

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» On Taylor.
>> Yeah, because Taylor's going to be

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considered a class A. We've been able to
run that all season

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» because Taylor would be a class A all
Yeah. All season,

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» which Flimblog is just the dirt road.
>> Got it.

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» Okay.

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» But at the end of the day, it's not our
decision. It's the road commission's

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decision. So, it could be another
condition, but it's they're going to

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have to get it whether you like it or
not.

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» Yeah.
>> Yeah. I don't know what the

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» Got it.

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» Pleasure of the board.
>> Is that for 278 Taylor?

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» 278. That's the address.
>> Yep. That's Yeah. I guess the other

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question is I know you shared, but when
you say seasons, give us a time period,

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Mr. that you're asking cuz you've asked
you said one season or two seasons. So

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what does that mean?
>> I believe that with that amount we could

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possibly take the second season part of
that to finish it. Yes.

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» So is that 12?
>> It' be two years.

437
00:42:56,160 --> 00:43:01,200
» Is it a hardship if we do um 12 months
with an extension? Because we've done

438
00:42:59,599 --> 00:43:05,319
that before with you, Mr. Till.
>> We can do that. That's right.

439
00:43:07,359 --> 00:43:14,520
Mr. Miller, any questions?
>> Any questions?

440
00:43:14,560 --> 00:43:19,680
» No,
>> Mr. Oer.

441
00:43:18,319 --> 00:43:23,599
» Sounds like a green light to me.
>> Mr. Howard,

442
00:43:21,520 --> 00:43:27,319
» it's okay, Mr. D.
>> I want to see it go.

443
00:43:28,400 --> 00:43:34,800
» We're in a public hearing.
>> Okay.

444
00:43:32,880 --> 00:43:44,040
I make a motion that we close the public
hearing for 2780 Taylor Road at 6 46.

445
00:43:44,319 --> 00:43:49,040
» Second.
>> All those in favor signify by saying I.

446
00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:52,319
» I.
>> All oppose.

447
00:43:50,480 --> 00:43:54,319
» Same sign. Closed.
>> Okay.

448
00:43:52,960 --> 00:44:01,480
» Now we need a motion.
>> Wait, they did this different now on our

449
00:43:57,440 --> 00:44:01,480
agenda. He's down here.

450
00:44:01,680 --> 00:44:07,960
So,
we're now down to old business.

451
00:44:08,640 --> 00:44:14,200
» Yeah, but he's up here, too.
>> I know, but that's down here.

452
00:44:17,200 --> 00:44:21,359
» So,
>> now,

453
00:44:19,920 --> 00:44:25,920
right,
>> can we revise the agenda after we

454
00:44:23,680 --> 00:44:28,560
approve the agenda?
>> Yeah, but I just noticed that's

455
00:44:27,200 --> 00:44:32,079
something new.
>> Yeah.

456
00:44:30,079 --> 00:44:36,640
Do you need a revision of the agenda so
we can pass this now?

457
00:44:34,319 --> 00:44:38,560
» We have to make a motion now.
>> Yes.

458
00:44:37,040 --> 00:44:43,680
» Yes.
>> I'd like to

459
00:44:40,720 --> 00:44:50,880
make a motion that we
um

460
00:44:45,440 --> 00:44:53,880
move number six up to the spot of number
four.

461
00:44:59,599 --> 00:45:07,119
Okay,
I have a motion. Do I have a second?

462
00:45:05,440 --> 00:45:12,800
» I'll second.
>> Have a motion to move uh

463
00:45:09,520 --> 00:45:20,240
» I new business up to number four.
>> All those in favor signify by saying I.

464
00:45:14,880 --> 00:45:23,359
» I post same sign carries. Now
make your motion.

465
00:45:21,520 --> 00:45:26,560
» I think he's writing up a motion.
>> I knew Mr. I didn't know I was going to

466
00:45:24,960 --> 00:45:31,839
do that.
>> I had a feeling. I I'll move to approve

467
00:45:29,440 --> 00:45:38,319
the application associated with a soil
removal permit at 2780 Taylor Road with

468
00:45:35,920 --> 00:45:45,359
the following conditions.
An updated drawing

469
00:45:41,760 --> 00:45:50,720
indicating the placement of the pond.
The pond being 1.4 acres at a 20ft

470
00:45:48,240 --> 00:45:56,400
depth. Operation hours being Monday
through Friday, 7 am to 7 pm with

471
00:45:53,839 --> 00:46:03,200
Saturday hours on a case-byase basis by
township administration, a $1,000

472
00:45:59,599 --> 00:46:09,520
reclamation bond, and a 12 month
approval period with the um option of

473
00:46:08,000 --> 00:46:13,200
extension before the planning
commission.

474
00:46:11,839 --> 00:46:18,800
» Do I have a second?
>> I'll second.

475
00:46:16,079 --> 00:46:21,680
» Do we need that red back? Did I miss
anything, Mr. Melvin?

476
00:46:20,560 --> 00:46:24,160
» I think you did good.
>> Thank you, Mr.

477
00:46:22,319 --> 00:46:27,119
» I have a motion and a second. All those
in favor of the motion signify by saying

478
00:46:26,560 --> 00:46:30,160
I.
>> I.

479
00:46:27,920 --> 00:46:32,560
» Oppose. Same sign.
>> Carries.

480
00:46:31,200 --> 00:46:37,440
» Thank you, gentlemen.
>> Thank you.

481
00:46:35,680 --> 00:46:40,400
» Did you call me Mr. Miller?
>> No, I said Milton.

482
00:46:39,599 --> 00:46:45,040
» You okay?
>> No. Milt.

483
00:46:42,720 --> 00:46:47,680
» Did I say
>> How did I say that?

484
00:46:46,160 --> 00:46:53,040
» I don't know.
Sorry,

485
00:46:49,760 --> 00:46:56,880
» you got me working extra now.
>> He'sn't He was He'll tell you later. He

486
00:46:55,760 --> 00:47:02,920
was
>> We're going to go to number four. Old

487
00:46:59,920 --> 00:47:02,920
business.

488
00:47:03,280 --> 00:47:09,520
» Yep.
>> Development of district definition.

489
00:47:07,119 --> 00:47:15,680
Final review.
>> You're up, sir.

490
00:47:11,440 --> 00:47:21,599
» Well, with the committee that we had um
there was recommendations from the

491
00:47:18,480 --> 00:47:25,200
committee and also our attorney and I
hope everybody looked at the attorney's

492
00:47:23,680 --> 00:47:31,280
recommendation
>> and we could get that definition

493
00:47:28,720 --> 00:47:37,599
so we can get our master plan off and
printed. It's been November of 2024

494
00:47:34,960 --> 00:47:43,839
since when we started this. I'd like to
get

495
00:47:40,160 --> 00:47:52,240
some printed copies of our master plan,
new master plan. So, if you take time to

496
00:47:48,480 --> 00:47:58,640
look at that, I appreciate your comments
and come up with a final decision,

497
00:47:55,839 --> 00:48:03,440
please.
>> Why Why is there a change of the the

498
00:48:01,599 --> 00:48:08,800
definition or not definition, but the
like the district name from the PUD to

499
00:48:07,040 --> 00:48:12,720
» We're not P no PUD.
>> But why?

500
00:48:09,839 --> 00:48:18,000
» Uh the attorney says you don't need a
flood development at this time.

501
00:48:16,800 --> 00:48:23,520
can be a later
>> small or what? Pardon me?

502
00:48:19,359 --> 00:48:29,920
» Because we're just too small or why
>> it could take another year to go through

503
00:48:26,319 --> 00:48:33,200
the all the counties, all the townships.
>> Oh, so the other townships are not

504
00:48:31,440 --> 00:48:37,079
having puds either.
>> Um, St. Clair.

505
00:48:38,240 --> 00:48:45,920
» So move our master plan,
we start the PUB.

506
00:48:44,319 --> 00:48:49,319
Mhm. I see it.
>> I read it.

507
00:48:55,520 --> 00:49:04,319
» You talked about green belts. We talked
about uh

508
00:49:00,319 --> 00:49:08,480
in the definition, talked about
setbacks,

509
00:49:06,000 --> 00:49:13,520
talked about traffic studies, talked
about utility studies, and that was all

510
00:49:11,599 --> 00:49:17,720
in with
the attorney's recommendation.

511
00:49:18,240 --> 00:49:23,640
It was November of 2024 we started
meeting.

512
00:49:24,160 --> 00:49:32,240
» So
last week I asked him to come up with um

513
00:49:29,520 --> 00:49:36,359
his opinion and he did and you have that
that's two pages.

514
00:49:33,359 --> 00:49:36,359
» Yes.

515
00:49:38,400 --> 00:49:50,960
And also there was uh um in our page 135
our old ordinance in industrial they

516
00:49:46,880 --> 00:49:57,280
gave uh setbacks.
The committee added five feet to the

517
00:49:53,440 --> 00:50:06,280
side yard set back and also in the
residential district to have a green

518
00:50:00,240 --> 00:50:06,280
belt between R1 and R2 which is on

519
00:50:10,480 --> 00:50:18,079
club to the south tracks to the north.
>> Yeah.

520
00:50:14,720 --> 00:50:24,200
» Highway to the east. So, it's trapped
right in the middle there with a little

521
00:50:19,839 --> 00:50:24,200
residential district there.

522
00:50:28,559 --> 00:50:35,680
» So, any comments on
the attorney's opinion?

523
00:50:32,800 --> 00:50:41,319
» No, I don't. The only comment this is
still a zoning amendment.

524
00:50:38,319 --> 00:50:41,319
» Yeah.

525
00:50:50,480 --> 00:50:53,960
What's your

526
00:50:55,920 --> 00:51:04,160
developmental focus? He wanted special
land use taken out and special exception

527
00:51:01,680 --> 00:51:09,119
use put in.
Mhm.

528
00:51:04,559 --> 00:51:13,839
» He wanted to strike the putt development
and

529
00:51:11,839 --> 00:51:19,720
light industrial added to the special
exception

530
00:51:16,160 --> 00:51:19,720
for that district.

531
00:51:22,400 --> 00:51:30,559
He was okay with the permitted uses. He
was okay with except for the

532
00:51:28,640 --> 00:51:37,280
the plug
that's also attached in your

533
00:51:34,400 --> 00:51:41,160
agenda.
It should have a little

534
00:51:41,839 --> 00:51:46,520
» what the chart. Are you referencing the
chart?

535
00:51:50,400 --> 00:51:55,040
» That was part of it.
>> Yeah,

536
00:51:52,880 --> 00:51:59,200
» that was the other part of it where we
>> wanted to strike that and strike the

537
00:51:57,280 --> 00:52:01,359
pudge development.
>> You got that one.

538
00:52:01,200 --> 00:52:04,720
And
>> this is just for the

539
00:52:07,119 --> 00:52:14,000
So I guess the question that I have is
for the group being do you want to talk

540
00:52:12,240 --> 00:52:17,280
about this? Do you want to just move to
schedule a public hearing which is

541
00:52:15,359 --> 00:52:21,119
required for a zoning amendment and do
it at that time? What does the group

542
00:52:19,599 --> 00:52:23,599
want to do? Because you have to have the
public hearing. It's got to be

543
00:52:22,400 --> 00:52:30,000
advertised.
>> Correct. The the group is here tonight

544
00:52:27,599 --> 00:52:35,280
regarding their property which this
falls in that district. Mhm.

545
00:52:32,880 --> 00:52:40,559
» So that's why they here with open ears
to listen to.

546
00:52:36,720 --> 00:52:43,839
» Would you like to explain your concept?
>> You guys allow me to

547
00:52:42,400 --> 00:52:47,000
» go for it. We'd like to hear it.
>> Go ahead.

548
00:52:56,000 --> 00:53:00,680
» Have you guys share one if possible?

549
00:53:04,800 --> 00:53:08,240
Sorry.
>> Thank you.

550
00:53:07,040 --> 00:53:11,839
» Yeah.
>> So, you guys should be pretty familiar

551
00:53:09,760 --> 00:53:15,839
with this property. I know uh
>> you state

552
00:53:12,800 --> 00:53:23,040
» Yeah. Greg Dan with Interstate Capital.
Um this property was locked down for a

553
00:53:19,200 --> 00:53:29,520
couple decades through lawsuits and
>> leans and failed project. Right. So, for

554
00:53:27,359 --> 00:53:32,880
the last five years, our uh firm has
been chasing this and right outside the

555
00:53:31,760 --> 00:53:37,280
lean, which I think, you know,
eliminated from this property in May of

556
00:53:34,880 --> 00:53:42,960
24. Um, we were able to put this under
contract last year in July. We closed in

557
00:53:39,760 --> 00:53:51,200
August on this property. Um, our
intention has always been the same. um

558
00:53:46,079 --> 00:53:54,800
bring a commerce park to the I 94 I69
corridor. You know, something that could

559
00:53:52,720 --> 00:54:00,559
interact with the bridge traffic,
continue to attract business and jobs

560
00:53:57,040 --> 00:54:05,440
for the region. Um most importantly
noted, not a data center under any

561
00:54:03,040 --> 00:54:11,040
circumstances. Um so these are
industrial buildings. They're modern. Um

562
00:54:08,559 --> 00:54:16,400
they're 32 foot clear each and every one
of them, maybe a little bit greater. Um,

563
00:54:14,160 --> 00:54:22,000
this is the design that, you know, you
guys are uniquely uh positioned for in

564
00:54:19,440 --> 00:54:26,880
Kimble Township, having rail that serves
this with Canadian National and access

565
00:54:24,000 --> 00:54:30,000
to a double uh stack tunnel going into
win going into Sarnia

566
00:54:28,400 --> 00:54:33,599
» and the Blue Water Bridge, which your
rates beat the crap out of the

567
00:54:31,839 --> 00:54:36,880
Ambassador Bridge south of us and even
now the Gordy How coming online.

568
00:54:35,520 --> 00:54:40,240
» So, there's been an increase in truck
traffic over the past two years the

569
00:54:38,400 --> 00:54:44,720
Gordi's been being built. It's been
rerouted to Blue Water. I was just in

570
00:54:42,319 --> 00:54:48,240
Canada over the weekend and there was a
backup for probably seven miles of

571
00:54:46,720 --> 00:54:55,119
semi-truckss trying to look to get into
the US. All your your bridge. So to

572
00:54:51,839 --> 00:55:00,079
actually, you know, utilize it, that
type of commerce, it hasn't been able to

573
00:54:57,599 --> 00:55:04,640
be taken advantage of by anybody in
Slair County ever. No one's come in and

574
00:55:02,960 --> 00:55:09,599
said, "Hey, we're going to build a
380,000

575
00:55:06,160 --> 00:55:14,800
foot building to attract customers and
then in reference attract jobs." And

576
00:55:12,079 --> 00:55:19,119
those jobs then attract hotels and sea
stores and grocery stores and

577
00:55:17,200 --> 00:55:24,880
residential builders, you know, all the
things that come with the community's

578
00:55:20,800 --> 00:55:28,640
growth. So, we've been really focused on
that tenant pool. Um, reaching out to

579
00:55:27,280 --> 00:55:33,440
Canadian companies that are looking to
reshore or onshore here in the US. We've

580
00:55:31,599 --> 00:55:38,319
got at least a dozen conversations
opened. I know I talked to certain

581
00:55:35,280 --> 00:55:42,800
members here, you know, about certain
opportunities that are local that are in

582
00:55:40,160 --> 00:55:45,520
other municipalities locally um that are
they're busting at the seams. They need

583
00:55:44,240 --> 00:55:50,559
to grow and they need to be somewhere
else. Um so to really find a spot for

584
00:55:48,319 --> 00:55:55,200
those to land that makes sense. you
know, this is the opportunity of a

585
00:55:53,040 --> 00:55:58,079
lifetime for for some of those those
areas. It's something this property

586
00:55:56,720 --> 00:56:02,960
could have, you know, seriously been
used for decades ago and was absent of

587
00:56:00,720 --> 00:56:10,480
being able to use. So, with this, we're
bringing, you know, we've talked to now

588
00:56:05,520 --> 00:56:14,400
the mini storage, the hotel, etc., and
the road commission on what that road

589
00:56:12,640 --> 00:56:19,119
would look like to get redone and turned
into a public rideway that's 80 foot. um

590
00:56:17,839 --> 00:56:23,359
utility extensions that are already
there but likely would need to be

591
00:56:20,640 --> 00:56:26,880
upgraded. Um talked to the MEDC,
Michigan Economic Development

592
00:56:24,720 --> 00:56:31,599
Corporation, as well as different state
reps on how we could find some public

593
00:56:29,599 --> 00:56:36,319
funding that could be supplied to Kimble
Township slash the development to be

594
00:56:34,319 --> 00:56:43,200
able to install those. If not, they're
on our dime. Um but really um just to

595
00:56:41,119 --> 00:56:48,240
attract the right kind of business, you
know, stuff you guys want to see other

596
00:56:46,000 --> 00:56:52,799
municipalities locally can't no can no
longer serve and opportunities that will

597
00:56:50,799 --> 00:56:58,160
end up elsewhere if if we're not
bringing them to the table with you guys

598
00:56:54,640 --> 00:57:02,400
as partners. Um so we paid careful
attention here with setbacks with

599
00:57:00,640 --> 00:57:07,119
continuing to maintain natural features.
You've got we've got two massive ponds

600
00:57:04,480 --> 00:57:10,559
on the freeway entrance there. There's
people fishing on them. There's dirt

601
00:57:08,720 --> 00:57:13,839
bikes rolling through here outside of
the nuisance that's been to you from a

602
00:57:12,160 --> 00:57:18,720
fire department standpoint and just
emergency services. Um, I think there's

603
00:57:16,799 --> 00:57:23,200
a great opportunity there and we've
earmarked and left this open to be able

604
00:57:21,200 --> 00:57:27,680
to, you know, bring some sort of park
service that we'd be willing to deed

605
00:57:25,359 --> 00:57:33,760
over to Kimble, something that you guys
could utilize for yourselves to attract

606
00:57:30,480 --> 00:57:38,559
and, you know, really bring amenities to
the residents. those come in the form of

607
00:57:35,839 --> 00:57:42,480
fishing or a walking trail, etc. That's
almost 50 acres worth of property there.

608
00:57:40,720 --> 00:57:51,240
Um, including those ponds that we're
willing to work with you guys for um and

609
00:57:46,240 --> 00:57:51,240
gift you in any means. Um,

610
00:57:51,280 --> 00:57:58,160
and we've taken dual note. I mean, I
I've I've camped out here now probably

611
00:57:56,160 --> 00:58:02,640
two weeks total uh since we closed in
August and rode my dirt bikes and my

612
00:58:00,640 --> 00:58:08,880
four-wheelers around here and stayed in
my RV on the property. And the that gun

613
00:58:06,799 --> 00:58:12,240
range is is quite a significant amount
of noise to say the least. So, what

614
00:58:10,720 --> 00:58:18,400
we're bringing to the table from between
the rail and the gun range and the

615
00:58:16,000 --> 00:58:21,760
freeway, I don't even think you'd hear
anything that that we'd be adding to

616
00:58:20,000 --> 00:58:25,599
that scenario because there's a ton of
road noise on the weekends. It's

617
00:58:23,760 --> 00:58:31,440
semi-automatic and sometimes fully
automatic weapons and the rail passes

618
00:58:27,680 --> 00:58:34,960
probably six times a day. So, um yeah,
I've met with some of your neighbors. I

619
00:58:33,040 --> 00:58:38,960
have 17 of them that border our property
on the west line there on Allen Road.

620
00:58:37,520 --> 00:58:42,720
Um, I've had the pleasure of meeting a
couple of them and I've got Darius

621
00:58:41,359 --> 00:58:47,280
Udrich in the back here who's our
director of communications and in charge

622
00:58:45,119 --> 00:58:52,160
of governance and community outreach.
We'll be meeting with the rest of them

623
00:58:48,960 --> 00:58:57,119
and putting in what is today a 330 foot
setback um from that property line far

624
00:58:54,880 --> 00:58:59,760
greater than what what Neil has propo
proposed

625
00:58:58,480 --> 00:59:04,079
» and something that where it leaves all
that natural buffering in place. Um

626
00:59:02,000 --> 00:59:08,079
there would be a access point back there
if you guys require it. not something

627
00:59:05,760 --> 00:59:12,640
that we require, but you know, per your
fire code, you might need a um emergency

628
00:59:11,200 --> 00:59:16,880
access to the rear there. Other than
that, it would be lockboxed and it'd be

629
00:59:14,799 --> 00:59:23,440
a knockway that you guys would only
utilize in a in case of emergency. Um

630
00:59:21,520 --> 00:59:28,640
yeah, and we happy to answer any
questions for you guys.

631
00:59:25,280 --> 00:59:32,799
So what is your model being?
You used a term back in the day it was

632
00:59:30,880 --> 00:59:39,760
industrial park then it turned into
business park and then some now is just

633
00:59:36,799 --> 00:59:44,160
lease buildings on property that is not
sold. So what is your model here in

634
00:59:42,640 --> 00:59:48,720
regards to structure?
>> So we're we're long-term holders. Um we

635
00:59:46,799 --> 00:59:52,559
don't look to to trade anything. So for
the right user, you know, if they were

636
00:59:50,960 --> 00:59:55,839
talking something someone that was major
jobs and maybe for this larger building

637
00:59:54,480 --> 01:00:00,400
that's there,
>> um that could attract an ecosystem, you

638
00:59:58,000 --> 01:00:04,079
know, an automotive manufacturer maybe
that would have suppliers and logistics

639
01:00:02,400 --> 01:00:08,160
companies that they would need to have
close to their campus. Um we might look

640
01:00:06,319 --> 01:00:11,520
at selling something. Otherwise, we
would be looking to build these, hold

641
01:00:09,920 --> 01:00:16,000
them. I'd be your single phone call and
I'd be the one who'd be able to bend

642
01:00:13,680 --> 01:00:18,319
that tenant for whatever they may or may
not be doing

643
01:00:16,960 --> 01:00:22,319
» that that doesn't fit in with your
guidelines.

644
01:00:19,839 --> 01:00:30,559
» And then how flexible are the buildings
being um one tenant, two tenants, that

645
01:00:26,960 --> 01:00:34,319
being that you just want the box, I
guess, approved, but you want to be able

646
01:00:32,559 --> 01:00:38,079
to do whatever you you know, whatever
inside to um split them up.

647
01:00:36,559 --> 01:00:43,280
» Yeah, that's a great question. So in
West Michigan, we stood um two million

648
01:00:40,400 --> 01:00:48,160
square feet in total since 2020.
>> That's five sites. We've got Ford,

649
01:00:45,359 --> 01:00:52,240
Fizer, Zoetis, Bradford White, real
large heating and cooling company for

650
01:00:49,839 --> 01:00:55,520
headquarters. Um all of those buildings
were speculatory. So we didn't know who

651
01:00:54,240 --> 01:00:59,040
who our tenant was going to be, right?
We we tapped into the marketplace like

652
01:00:57,280 --> 01:01:02,960
we're doing now with reaching across the
Canadian companies and locals

653
01:01:01,200 --> 01:01:05,280
» to figure out what type of building or
blend it could be. We'd love a single

654
01:01:04,319 --> 01:01:09,760
tenant.
>> That's ideal. Um, does that happen? It

655
01:01:07,839 --> 01:01:12,240
has all five times out there.
>> Mhm.

656
01:01:10,240 --> 01:01:15,440
» Um, but we also made all those buildings
really versatile. So, they've got

657
01:01:13,599 --> 01:01:19,280
parking lots on two different areas
here. We've got docks and we can

658
01:01:17,200 --> 01:01:24,319
partition that building typically
between two or and or three or even four

659
01:01:21,440 --> 01:01:29,040
times um depending on the tenant demand
>> with a two-hour fire wall between

660
01:01:27,040 --> 01:01:33,040
» right I'm just asking in regards to%
these buildings you you can see in other

661
01:01:30,960 --> 01:01:36,720
parts of the state
um in regards to the aesthetics of it

662
01:01:35,040 --> 01:01:43,280
people will have different opinions but
you can see these there's an Aldi's

663
01:01:39,760 --> 01:01:47,280
Amazon those type of shipping type
buildings these are shells

664
01:01:44,880 --> 01:01:50,960
» they are And as a result of them, you
don't necessarily know what's inside per

665
01:01:49,200 --> 01:01:55,440
se because I'm assuming you have the
ability to do the moving wall aspect and

666
01:01:53,359 --> 01:01:57,359
you get x amount of entrance and or
docks.

667
01:01:56,000 --> 01:02:00,000
» Yeah. And it's not just the wall the
wall side of it too. So when we build a

668
01:01:58,720 --> 01:02:01,359
building like this, we won't pour the
floor.

669
01:02:00,799 --> 01:02:04,559
» Okay.
>> Because we don't know how many

670
01:02:02,400 --> 01:02:07,119
employees, bathrooms, office space. We
don't know what that what they're going

671
01:02:05,599 --> 01:02:10,720
to need from an underground standpoint.
So for us to come back and cut out six

672
01:02:08,640 --> 01:02:14,079
or eight inch floors is is wild in some
cases. And then they want 20 bathrooms

673
01:02:12,480 --> 01:02:18,559
per gender. Mhm.
>> Um, so what we'll do is we'll leave the

674
01:02:16,160 --> 01:02:22,480
floor out of that building or we'll pour
maybe 3/4 of the floor less these two

675
01:02:20,880 --> 01:02:27,599
office corners that we have and we'll
leave enough area for them to be able to

676
01:02:24,319 --> 01:02:31,280
manipulate. Um,
we would prefer to land manufacturing

677
01:02:29,680 --> 01:02:35,280
companies. Those are more longerterm
leases or really stable opportunities

678
01:02:33,200 --> 01:02:40,079
and they pay a lot more. Um, so that's
our number one objective and what we're

679
01:02:37,280 --> 01:02:44,319
seeking. Um but you know the logistics
companies have to support those as well.

680
01:02:41,680 --> 01:02:49,520
And with this being commerce with the
bridge, I definitely see some logistics

681
01:02:46,240 --> 01:02:54,319
opportunities being a able to um land
here as well.

682
01:02:50,480 --> 01:02:57,680
» So yeah, building will be uh we'll say
built where it's versatile enough where

683
01:02:56,000 --> 01:03:01,200
it can transition to either one of those
type of users.

684
01:02:59,599 --> 01:03:06,240
And sometimes, you know, we've been
lucky with the buildings we built where

685
01:03:03,440 --> 01:03:10,160
we've put them up and, you know, two of
them we were putting steel in the ground

686
01:03:07,920 --> 01:03:12,559
when, hey, I want this building.
>> Mhm.

687
01:03:10,480 --> 01:03:17,280
» And we were able to identify and then we
had some pivot time if they want to do

688
01:03:14,240 --> 01:03:22,079
some customization. Um, otherwise, yeah,
typically a a shell of some kind that we

689
01:03:20,160 --> 01:03:26,960
have with no floor and lighting, fire
suppression, electricity set up to

690
01:03:24,720 --> 01:03:32,960
multimeter and split. Same with gas,
water, sewer. um so that it can pivot

691
01:03:30,000 --> 01:03:37,920
however that needs to.
>> If I may, Mr. Chair, just two I'm not

692
01:03:35,599 --> 01:03:40,000
asking for an answer, just two points.
>> Sure.

693
01:03:38,559 --> 01:03:42,000
» Traffic will come up in this
conversation if it proceeds.

694
01:03:41,440 --> 01:03:48,319
» Sure.
>> The other in regards to the battery

695
01:03:45,119 --> 01:03:49,680
plant in St. Clair. It's empty. It's
big.

696
01:03:49,200 --> 01:03:53,200
» Sure.
>> So, how are you going and you know, how

697
01:03:51,520 --> 01:03:56,720
are you going to address that in regards
to comments of people?

698
01:03:54,880 --> 01:04:00,000
» Yeah. So, I think we've already
performed a traffic study on this. I

699
01:03:58,640 --> 01:04:04,880
don't know if we have our um findings
back, but I know there's going to have

700
01:04:01,680 --> 01:04:07,760
to be on Range Road in particular some
additions in del lanes and traffic

701
01:04:06,640 --> 01:04:10,960
signaling that will need to be
installed. And that's I mean that's

702
01:04:09,520 --> 01:04:14,480
that's the nature of what comes with
this for sure.

703
01:04:12,319 --> 01:04:17,200
» Um
I don't think it make anything worse.

704
01:04:15,920 --> 01:04:23,599
That's the whole point of the traffic
study is to make it make it better. Um,

705
01:04:20,319 --> 01:04:27,200
this is a an intersection where it's
it's the right kind of intersection to

706
01:04:25,599 --> 01:04:30,480
be able to do an opportunity like this.
You know, the other side of the freeway,

707
01:04:28,559 --> 01:04:35,359
you guys have the roundabout.
>> It's not as ideal as it is just to have

708
01:04:32,960 --> 01:04:40,400
straight on and off ramps. So,
>> um, but some of the reasoning behind

709
01:04:37,680 --> 01:04:45,839
that is is good in this this occasion.
Those roundabouts and semi-truckss,

710
01:04:42,000 --> 01:04:48,880
they're always too tiny. So, um, there's
probably something possibly over there

711
01:04:47,359 --> 01:04:52,240
that might need to be accomplished as
well,

712
01:04:50,720 --> 01:04:56,480
but those are all things that, yeah,
we'll have to tackle as part of our site

713
01:04:53,760 --> 01:05:01,319
plan approvals and part of passing any
and all questions that your team would

714
01:04:58,000 --> 01:05:01,319
have for us.

715
01:05:02,160 --> 01:05:08,079
» Mr. Chair, I have a question.
>> Yes. Yes, representative Greg. So you it

716
01:05:06,400 --> 01:05:12,720
seems like you have a lot of
infrastructure all throughout the

717
01:05:09,760 --> 01:05:17,760
country and I'm just thinking out loud
as a potential resident who's seen these

718
01:05:15,520 --> 01:05:23,039
big white buildings. In your experience,
has there been any oversight where you

719
01:05:21,520 --> 01:05:28,160
have the exterior of the building
blending in with the environment as far

720
01:05:25,599 --> 01:05:31,760
as just creating, you know, like instead
of just having a white wall, you have

721
01:05:30,079 --> 01:05:36,799
some decorative where it looks like the
woods. Like I've got a friend, he's got

722
01:05:34,160 --> 01:05:39,760
a tow truck yard. The side of his fence
looks like woods.

723
01:05:38,079 --> 01:05:42,799
» You sure? You got like a real real tree
print slat inside of

724
01:05:40,720 --> 01:05:45,520
» it. Just a just a thought because I
residents talk about stuff like they

725
01:05:44,240 --> 01:05:47,680
don't want these white walls in their
woods. They don't want just giant white

726
01:05:47,359 --> 01:05:51,280
build.
>> Yeah. Well, they won't they won't be

727
01:05:48,799 --> 01:05:54,559
white walls and you know there's a ton
of color selections that we can choose

728
01:05:52,799 --> 01:05:59,599
from when we put the way when we do
these kind of things. Um for what is

729
01:05:56,480 --> 01:06:02,559
facing residents beyond that 300 buffer
and that's that's the reason we're

730
01:06:00,640 --> 01:06:07,599
leaving a lot of these trees in play.
Number one, twothirds of this plan, if

731
01:06:05,280 --> 01:06:12,319
not threequarters of it, is not even
near a resident. It's gun range, it's

732
01:06:09,680 --> 01:06:18,160
freeway, it's railroad. So, there's 17
residents in question here um that are

733
01:06:15,359 --> 01:06:23,200
that have any type of of line of sight
or visibility to this. And that's a wall

734
01:06:20,480 --> 01:06:26,799
that we can install at, you know, dark
green or black or any of those number of

735
01:06:25,039 --> 01:06:30,799
things. But we don't do white walls. So,
that would be it would be a darker or

736
01:06:28,880 --> 01:06:34,720
lighter tone of gray and be a couple
different kinds of them. We not putting

737
01:06:33,200 --> 01:06:38,000
a big white wall in for anybody.
>> Sure.

738
01:06:35,839 --> 01:06:44,160
» Our committee came up with no data
center, utility study, traffic study, BM

739
01:06:41,520 --> 01:06:49,920
bonding based upon valuation,
preliminary drawings, all parcels be

740
01:06:47,839 --> 01:06:54,440
joined together because they're separate
parcels now.

741
01:06:51,039 --> 01:06:54,440
» Six of them.

742
01:06:54,640 --> 01:07:01,359
» That was the committee's recommendation.
If you have your traffic study, is it

743
01:06:59,119 --> 01:07:06,160
addressing the railroad
being

744
01:07:02,960 --> 01:07:10,559
which has always been the issue
where you get stuck? And that's another

745
01:07:08,319 --> 01:07:15,359
hot topic in the community. I know you
cannot solve it but it's always it is a

746
01:07:13,760 --> 01:07:20,559
point of conversation that will be
brought up because you're increasing

747
01:07:16,880 --> 01:07:26,079
traffic and then with even without your
traffic we have issues where range is

748
01:07:23,920 --> 01:07:30,079
blocked
Griswald is blocked and the other

749
01:07:28,799 --> 01:07:34,240
section of range is blocked and
>> he's got he's got spurs spurs

750
01:07:32,720 --> 01:07:39,200
» right so I'm just saying in regards to
that does your does your traffic study

751
01:07:37,520 --> 01:07:42,720
address that or will that address that
in regards Yeah, it will be addressing

752
01:07:40,720 --> 01:07:46,960
that and likely the road will have to be
widened for another lane or two on each

753
01:07:44,880 --> 01:07:50,960
side to address maneuvering and
additional traffic queuing and any type

754
01:07:49,520 --> 01:07:52,160
of traffic signaling that will need to
be installed.

755
01:07:51,760 --> 01:07:56,400
» Mhm.
>> I'm not a traffic engineer by any means.

756
01:07:54,079 --> 01:07:59,839
I I build relationships and partnerships
with municipalities.

757
01:07:58,319 --> 01:08:03,119
I've got a team that does that and
they're really good at it and they're

758
01:08:01,039 --> 01:08:06,680
seasoned. So, they'll be addressing all
of that for you guys.

759
01:08:08,319 --> 01:08:20,480
So that's why the the if we could get
the master plan with the definition

760
01:08:16,560 --> 01:08:26,239
in place and not for their reasons for
our reasons to have a a draft finalized.

761
01:08:24,880 --> 01:08:30,319
» Mr. Chair, I'd like to say one more
thing. So I along with Neil and other

762
01:08:28,880 --> 01:08:34,560
members, we sat down with Greg and his
team multiple times. We sat down with

763
01:08:31,600 --> 01:08:38,159
the lawyer and in plain English, it
makes things harmonious. It makes us

764
01:08:36,159 --> 01:08:44,080
more attractive. It makes people like
his team and other potential tenants and

765
01:08:41,359 --> 01:08:49,199
teams within the township. It makes it
things simpler for them to do business

766
01:08:45,920 --> 01:08:53,600
with us. And we've all seen instances
where a lot of our old ordinances, a lot

767
01:08:51,279 --> 01:08:58,719
of our old things make things kind of
fickle and that's why we've talked on

768
01:08:56,239 --> 01:09:03,839
the trustee board, we need to readress
some things and make things more user

769
01:09:00,319 --> 01:09:08,719
friendly. So, um, all my experiences
with Greg and his team, they seem like

770
01:09:07,120 --> 01:09:12,640
great people. They want to invest in
this community and, um, yeah, I mean,

771
01:09:11,279 --> 01:09:16,400
I've reached out to Greg after I first
met him and I gave him some ideas. I

772
01:09:14,319 --> 01:09:19,440
reached out to Mark Hilo who's in the
process of expanding Gilo Pickles and I

773
01:09:18,319 --> 01:09:22,000
said, "Hey, this might be a great
opportunity." And he said, "Yeah, I'll

774
01:09:20,960 --> 01:09:27,080
think about it." So, I mean, there's
lots of opportunities. So, I just wanted

775
01:09:23,520 --> 01:09:27,080
to express that.

776
01:09:28,159 --> 01:09:31,640
» Any other comments?

777
01:09:31,839 --> 01:09:35,319
So that's the right ide.

778
01:09:40,560 --> 01:09:43,279
» Thank you guys for allowing me.
>> Thank you.

779
01:09:42,560 --> 01:09:46,279
» Thank you.
>> Thanks.

780
01:09:52,640 --> 01:09:56,640
» Good evening uh members of the planning
commission. Uh thank you for the

781
01:09:55,280 --> 01:10:00,640
opportunity to speak here this evening.
My name is Larry Opleski. I'm with the

782
01:09:58,719 --> 01:10:05,920
law firm Dickinson. Right. We're outside
zoning council for the developer. Just

783
01:10:03,520 --> 01:10:09,600
wanted to say a few words about the
development district idea. Uh you know,

784
01:10:08,320 --> 01:10:13,440
we we've looked at everything you guys
have been working on and you know, we

785
01:10:11,199 --> 01:10:18,880
think you do great work. However, for
this particular development, what we'd

786
01:10:15,280 --> 01:10:22,320
really like to encourage is uh moving in
the direction of a conditional resoning.

787
01:10:21,199 --> 01:10:25,199
You know, I know you folks have been
doing this for a long time, so you don't

788
01:10:23,520 --> 01:10:30,640
need me to explain it to you, but just
in a nutshell, Michigan Zoning Enabling

789
01:10:27,920 --> 01:10:34,640
Act uh allows a township such as
yourself to accept an application for a

790
01:10:32,719 --> 01:10:39,199
conditional resoning. And what that
means is there's a a back and forth

791
01:10:37,120 --> 01:10:43,600
discussion between the developer and the
municipality in regards to, okay, if

792
01:10:41,760 --> 01:10:47,440
we're going to give you this resoning,
here's the conditions we want to see

793
01:10:45,120 --> 01:10:53,040
that you have to abide by, otherwise the
zoning goes back to what it was before,

794
01:10:49,440 --> 01:10:56,239
essentially. Um and really, you know, in
regards to the benefits for that,

795
01:10:54,480 --> 01:10:59,679
there's there's two main ones that I
want to highlight here. Number one is

796
01:10:57,440 --> 01:11:03,840
the timing um to move forward with the
development district in which I believe

797
01:11:01,840 --> 01:11:07,520
this would be a special uh exception,
special land use. Um the all the

798
01:11:06,239 --> 01:11:12,000
processes that have to go in front of
that, that's going to take months and

799
01:11:09,040 --> 01:11:17,440
months and months. Um time which frankly
the developer would really rather not

800
01:11:14,320 --> 01:11:22,640
spend. We'd rather get jobs and uh
commerce here sooner rather than later.

801
01:11:19,840 --> 01:11:28,239
Um, so timing is one and the other one
is really flexibility. Um, in my

802
01:11:25,840 --> 01:11:32,000
experience, and I've been doing zoning
and land use work for more than a decade

803
01:11:30,000 --> 01:11:36,480
now, conditional resonings are really
the sweet spot when it comes to a

804
01:11:33,920 --> 01:11:41,840
development like this because we can
offer you setbacks. Uh, we can offer you

805
01:11:39,600 --> 01:11:46,080
additional screening. we can offer you
uh many of the items that that Greg just

806
01:11:43,679 --> 01:11:50,400
mentioned whereas typically you wouldn't
be able to uh require a lot of those

807
01:11:48,880 --> 01:11:54,800
things under some different land use
approval processes. So um in regards to

808
01:11:53,040 --> 01:11:59,600
this particular parcel and we've
discussed this with uh Mr. Francis as

809
01:11:57,040 --> 01:12:03,280
well um it's it's I don't think I'm
speaking out of term by saying it's his

810
01:12:01,120 --> 01:12:07,360
opinion that a conditional resoning is
the more desirable uh aspect for this

811
01:12:05,920 --> 01:12:11,520
particular project and for this
particular property. So, uh, we would

812
01:12:09,520 --> 01:12:16,320
really encourage you to to move in that
direction. Um, happy to answer any

813
01:12:14,400 --> 01:12:21,199
questions, any comments.
>> But, Mr. Counselor, isn't that your

814
01:12:18,719 --> 01:12:24,320
ball? It's in your court to come forward
with that application.

815
01:12:22,719 --> 01:12:27,520
» Yes. And we can have that to you within
a matter of days.

816
01:12:25,440 --> 01:12:32,480
» Correct. And then it's there is no
negotiation. It's an up or down. Yes or

817
01:12:29,520 --> 01:12:36,800
no? So what we would be what ideally
what we'd be doing is we'd want to have

818
01:12:34,640 --> 01:12:41,280
uh some discussions some of which have
already been had to see what sort of

819
01:12:39,280 --> 01:12:45,280
conditions would make this palatable for
the community right what would protect

820
01:12:42,800 --> 01:12:48,800
the best interests of of your residents
>> but yes you're right under under state

821
01:12:46,960 --> 01:12:51,679
law you can't technically require us to
have certain conditions but we're

822
01:12:50,560 --> 01:12:54,320
certainly not going to put something
forward that we don't think is going to

823
01:12:53,040 --> 01:13:00,320
be acceptable to you
>> right you have to offer we say yes or no

824
01:12:57,920 --> 01:13:00,320
» that's correct

825
01:13:03,920 --> 01:13:08,880
All right. Well, if there's no other
questions, I appreciate the the board's

826
01:13:06,800 --> 01:13:12,520
time this evening.
>> That's the board's pleasure.

827
01:13:15,199 --> 01:13:21,199
» Well, we were
>> Could we expedite things? I mean, after

828
01:13:19,440 --> 01:13:26,239
you just said within days we can have
something. Can we expedate it now to

829
01:13:23,840 --> 01:13:30,080
where we vote now once it's in? No.
>> Green light? No. you would have to have

830
01:13:27,760 --> 01:13:30,880
a public hearing and advertise in mail.
>> Right on.

831
01:13:30,480 --> 01:13:36,320
» Yeah.
>> We don't even have a

832
01:13:33,120 --> 01:13:38,719
application for conditional recessive.
Yeah.

833
01:13:37,120 --> 01:13:43,040
» So,
just to recap what is being asked of us.

834
01:13:41,360 --> 01:13:47,840
I think there's three different things
just for clarity. I question the master

835
01:13:46,000 --> 01:13:49,600
plan thing because we approved it. Did
the township approve it?

836
01:13:49,120 --> 01:13:52,880
» Yes.
>> And it did provide some guidance in

837
01:13:51,280 --> 01:13:58,480
regards to the development district in
the PUD, but that's good to go. Correct.

838
01:13:55,760 --> 01:14:02,560
» Correct. So then it leaves us two items
that being there is being a request from

839
01:14:00,560 --> 01:14:06,640
administration. Bill and I sat on a
couple of the committees too about the

840
01:14:04,960 --> 01:14:10,719
issue about the development district
which is mentioned in the in the master

841
01:14:08,800 --> 01:14:15,360
plan. However, it's not in the zoning
code and moving forward with something

842
01:14:13,120 --> 01:14:16,800
to address that matter which is the item
before us.

843
01:14:16,000 --> 01:14:23,040
» The definition.
>> Yep. The definition which would which

844
01:14:18,960 --> 01:14:26,960
would require a zoning amendment process
>> once we get the definition. Yes. But you

845
01:14:25,600 --> 01:14:32,080
have to have the you have to have the
public hearing. And so that's one item

846
01:14:29,840 --> 01:14:36,239
to address. The second item to be
addressed in regards to this partial in

847
01:14:33,679 --> 01:14:42,080
question based on the presentation and
the correspondence from the township

848
01:14:38,239 --> 01:14:46,239
attorney, there is the request to do or
we should not be surprised about a

849
01:14:44,480 --> 01:14:47,040
conditional reszoning being request of
us.

850
01:14:46,640 --> 01:14:50,400
» Correct.
>> But that has to come from the applicant,

851
01:14:48,960 --> 01:14:54,159
not from the township.
>> Yes. And so as a result of that, that

852
01:14:52,400 --> 01:14:58,239
may or may not be at our next month's
meeting because such application

853
01:14:56,239 --> 01:15:00,560
requires the public hearing and the
notice. Correct.

854
01:15:00,159 --> 01:15:05,120
» Correct.
>> And then it's up to us in regards to

855
01:15:02,560 --> 01:15:09,600
whatever they present to us if we like
or not like or approve or not approve,

856
01:15:07,760 --> 01:15:12,320
but we are not negotiating
>> at the public hearing.

857
01:15:10,719 --> 01:15:18,880
» At the public hearing. So, it's really
an up or down asis or you just say

858
01:15:16,640 --> 01:15:23,840
or pass,
you know, an approval and then that's

859
01:15:21,199 --> 01:15:28,239
similar to a zoning that would then be
codified through the zoning process

860
01:15:26,000 --> 01:15:31,600
because it would be a reszoning because
we would still have to follow that's

861
01:15:29,760 --> 01:15:34,000
going to the county
>> metro planning.

862
01:15:32,239 --> 01:15:37,040
» Yeah. Metro planning county and to the
township board at the final approval.

863
01:15:35,760 --> 01:15:43,120
» Metro planning today.
>> Yeah. So, and I believe it's 14 days,

864
01:15:40,400 --> 01:15:46,640
correct? At minimum. So, in regards to
Mr. Locer's comment about can we

865
01:15:45,120 --> 01:15:51,440
expedite
I'm just saying there is minimum at to

866
01:15:49,440 --> 01:15:55,840
expedite this process and being a public
body. All we could offer him or the

867
01:15:53,679 --> 01:15:59,199
applicant if it was approved was two
meetings in one month.

868
01:15:58,000 --> 01:16:02,480
» We could
>> that's

869
01:15:59,600 --> 01:16:06,960
» I don't know if that 60 days is required
with a conditional use.

870
01:16:04,880 --> 01:16:13,040
» What do you mean 60 days? public hearing
own metro planning back to township and

871
01:16:10,239 --> 01:16:16,400
then the township board approves.
>> Oh, you're talking about the whole

872
01:16:14,320 --> 01:16:19,679
that's a Mr. Francis. But at a minimum,
we're going to have to have a public

873
01:16:17,360 --> 01:16:21,760
hearing and and say yay or nay to a
conditional resoning.

874
01:16:20,960 --> 01:16:25,760
» That's correct.
>> Right. And it goes to the town board

875
01:16:23,760 --> 01:16:30,480
because it's an agreement.
>> It's set for public. But you don't have

876
01:16:27,840 --> 01:16:34,480
» I don't have an application. And to my
understanding, an application and

877
01:16:31,920 --> 01:16:36,800
payment triggers a a meeting or I mean
triggers a public hearing anyways.

878
01:16:36,400 --> 01:16:39,600
» Correct.
>> We don't do that.

879
01:16:38,719 --> 01:16:42,960
» Correct.
>> You said the public hearing.

880
01:16:41,360 --> 01:16:46,640
» No,
we haven't. No, the application does.

881
01:16:46,239 --> 01:16:49,440
» Yeah.
>> The application sets it because they

882
01:16:48,400 --> 01:16:52,239
have to pay.
>> They they apply,

883
01:16:51,760 --> 01:16:57,360
» right?
>> We don't have they have the fee

884
01:16:54,640 --> 01:17:02,719
» once we get the application and fee,
>> right?

885
01:17:00,000 --> 01:17:07,120
say the township board set.
>> No, you guys, the clerk's office does

886
01:17:04,880 --> 01:17:13,199
that. They do the and it comes on our
agenda and we hold the public hearing,

887
01:17:10,159 --> 01:17:18,159
» right? Okay.
>> So, the item really before us tonight is

888
01:17:15,600 --> 01:17:22,000
whether this board wants to set a public
hearing on the zoning amendment

889
01:17:20,239 --> 01:17:26,600
associated with the development district
because that's associated with the

890
01:17:23,199 --> 01:17:26,600
zoning code.

891
01:17:28,239 --> 01:17:34,880
What's the pleasure?
>> Not most of it.

892
01:17:32,880 --> 01:17:37,679
» You got to be a Philadelphia lawyer,
don't you?

893
01:17:35,679 --> 01:17:40,480
» Well, I'm just trying to work
>> the definition.

894
01:17:38,400 --> 01:17:42,960
» No, you need a definition.
>> Definition.

895
01:17:41,120 --> 01:17:45,040
» That's where I'm But a conditional
resoning is not going to require that

896
01:17:44,560 --> 01:17:48,480
definition.
>> It is not at all

897
01:17:46,239 --> 01:17:50,800
» because it's currently zoned something
commercial.

898
01:17:49,840 --> 01:17:54,159
» Correct.
>> So,

899
01:17:51,520 --> 01:17:56,960
» he can come and ask for
>> blue.

900
01:17:54,960 --> 01:17:59,360
» Correct. for a conditional resoning.
>> Yes.

901
01:17:58,400 --> 01:18:04,480
» Yeah.
>> I just want here to explain the

902
01:18:02,719 --> 01:18:07,120
reasoning for the time frame here.
>> I understand.

903
01:18:05,440 --> 01:18:08,640
» But we need to get the ball rolling.
>> Yeah.

904
01:18:07,520 --> 01:18:12,000
» Here.
>> Two and a half years.

905
01:18:10,080 --> 01:18:15,520
» Well, yeah. I know. That's We're getting
all getting older here.

906
01:18:13,440 --> 01:18:21,040
» Yeah. Amen.
>> So, Mr. Tuttle in regards to I think the

907
01:18:19,760 --> 01:18:26,719
question being because it's on our
agenda this item that's being brought

908
01:18:23,040 --> 01:18:31,920
before by Neo and the township attorney
for development focused district. Do you

909
01:18:29,520 --> 01:18:36,960
want to have a does the board want to
act on this by setting a public hearing?

910
01:18:35,760 --> 01:18:40,480
» I think we should. Yeah.
>> Well, that's the question to set the

911
01:18:38,800 --> 01:18:42,719
public hearing and as a result it's a
zoning amendment. So, it requires a

912
01:18:42,080 --> 01:18:45,520
public hearing.
>> Y

913
01:18:43,520 --> 01:18:50,560
» them putting in the newspaper. We hold a
public hearing. We say yay or nay with a

914
01:18:47,440 --> 01:18:53,520
recommendation. It goes to Metro
>> and then it also goes to the township

915
01:18:52,000 --> 01:18:55,840
board and they have the final say.
>> I think he's looking for you to make the

916
01:18:55,440 --> 01:18:59,920
motion.
>> I think Mr. Tuttle can do this.

917
01:18:59,040 --> 01:19:02,480
» I'm very confident.
>> Killing me here.

918
01:19:00,719 --> 01:19:06,080
» I'm very confident.
>> See, my face is now beat red. Thank you.

919
01:19:05,199 --> 01:19:09,920
» Your head.
>> You're fine. It's warm out.

920
01:19:08,400 --> 01:19:13,120
» Oh god.
>> Planning commission meeting 30 days from

921
01:19:12,480 --> 01:19:14,480
now.
>> Yes.

922
01:19:13,440 --> 01:19:16,719
» Yes.
So

923
01:19:15,280 --> 01:19:20,080
» because you don't have an election,
correct madam clerk?

924
01:19:19,199 --> 01:19:24,400
» Okay.
>> How many day notice do you have to have

925
01:19:21,920 --> 01:19:27,360
for uh prudence? What is it?
>> 14 days.

926
01:19:25,840 --> 01:19:31,840
» Is it 14 business days?
>> May 26.

927
01:19:30,080 --> 01:19:37,920
» That's our next meeting.
>> Correct.

928
01:19:34,400 --> 01:19:41,760
» Fine. move to schedule a public hearing
to address

929
01:19:39,920 --> 01:19:45,520
the development focus district
definition and zoning amendment at the

930
01:19:44,000 --> 01:19:50,320
next planning commission meeting
scheduled for May 26, 2026.

931
01:19:48,080 --> 01:19:55,040
» Mr. Chair, here's a question. You wanted
>> if we only need 14 days.

932
01:19:53,280 --> 01:19:58,159
» How many people do we need for a quorum
to hold a meeting?

933
01:19:56,960 --> 01:20:04,320
» Four.
>> I mean, we've done this before.

934
01:20:01,120 --> 01:20:06,880
Can we do a meeting in 14 days to get
these guys rolling? I'll show up to a

935
01:20:06,320 --> 01:20:10,400
meeting.
>> I will I would expect everybody to show

936
01:20:09,040 --> 01:20:12,719
up.
>> Right. Mr. Locer, it's two different

937
01:20:12,239 --> 01:20:14,800
things.
>> Okay.

938
01:20:13,120 --> 01:20:17,600
» He wants a reconditioning.
>> Yeah.

939
01:20:15,520 --> 01:20:21,600
» They have to make that request.
>> Okay.

940
01:20:19,120 --> 01:20:23,679
» And he said it could take what?
>> Within a week.

941
01:20:22,320 --> 01:20:26,159
» Yeah. We can have it by end of week. We
were just wanted to introduce and make

942
01:20:25,600 --> 01:20:29,600
sure
>> Yeah. We were

943
01:20:28,320 --> 01:20:31,520
being friendly and doing it the right
way before we sent it.

944
01:20:30,560 --> 01:20:34,400
» Well, I appreciate that.
>> So, we have faces to names when it's on

945
01:20:33,360 --> 01:20:37,679
the agenda.
>> Sure. Please.

946
01:20:37,120 --> 01:20:40,960
» What?
>> On video, too.

947
01:20:38,719 --> 01:20:43,040
» Oh, okay.
>> Okay.

948
01:20:42,159 --> 01:20:44,880
» Made a motion.
>> I made the motion.

949
01:20:44,159 --> 01:20:49,840
» Need a second.
>> I second it.

950
01:20:46,239 --> 01:20:52,719
» All those in favor signify by saying I.
>> I. I.

951
01:20:50,400 --> 01:20:58,960
» I. Oppose. Same sign.
>> Carries. Now the ball's in your court.

952
01:20:57,120 --> 01:21:03,840
I guess my other comment is someone
going to address the question of Neil's

953
01:21:00,640 --> 01:21:08,320
by asking either Metro or Mr. Francis on
both on both items being they do review

954
01:21:06,400 --> 01:21:11,920
zoning amendment. I believe they do
because I think we've done this in the

955
01:21:09,679 --> 01:21:17,440
past. But then in regard to are they
because we're general law are they going

956
01:21:13,600 --> 01:21:21,120
to review conditional resoning requests
even though it's you know specific to us

957
01:21:19,280 --> 01:21:28,080
but it is still considered a zoning
amendment. I I I think that'll be proper

958
01:21:24,480 --> 01:21:33,120
» and and seeing how it we have the
uh

959
01:21:30,640 --> 01:21:34,719
our uh everything's been approved
already.

960
01:21:33,760 --> 01:21:38,719
» Master plan
>> master planning is it going to be

961
01:21:37,360 --> 01:21:41,719
» it fits.
>> Okay.

962
01:21:43,920 --> 01:21:49,679
» Are you ready?
>> Did you vote on

963
01:21:47,440 --> 01:21:54,800
» No, we didn't vote on the I
>> We didn't We didn't vote. No, no,

964
01:21:51,440 --> 01:21:56,960
» I thought was we didn't know.
>> Just

965
01:21:55,120 --> 01:21:58,719
» All those in favor.
>> We did say that.

966
01:21:57,840 --> 01:22:00,400
» We did do that.
>> We did.

967
01:21:59,040 --> 01:22:03,199
» No, we did.
>> Let's do it again. If he doesn't

968
01:22:01,679 --> 01:22:06,560
remember, let's do it again.
>> All those in favor of the motion signify

969
01:22:05,280 --> 01:22:08,239
by saying I
>> I

970
01:22:06,960 --> 01:22:09,679
» oppose. Same sign.
>> Thank you.

971
01:22:08,719 --> 01:22:12,159
» There you go.
>> Thank you.

972
01:22:10,320 --> 01:22:15,120
» We did it once.
>> Yeah.

973
01:22:12,560 --> 01:22:18,960
» You at least deny.
>> All right. Okay.

974
01:22:17,360 --> 01:22:20,880
Thank you, gentlemen.
>> Thank you.

975
01:22:20,400 --> 01:22:23,760
Okay,
>> we'll maybe see you next month

976
01:22:23,120 --> 01:22:28,239
» or before.
>> We will.

977
01:22:24,960 --> 01:22:29,920
» Okay, B,
right?

978
01:22:29,040 --> 01:22:32,880
» Y
>> Wessle Lepier Road Pond and Sand

979
01:22:32,000 --> 01:22:35,920
Removal.
>> There you go. I think Mr. Gillette's

980
01:22:34,639 --> 01:22:38,480
here.
>> Steve Wessel.

981
01:22:37,120 --> 01:22:42,280
» Mr. Wessel's here, too,
>> cuz he's Yeah.

982
01:22:45,760 --> 01:22:51,199
» What do you need, sir?
>> I don't know. I'm not not sure why I'm

983
01:22:49,280 --> 01:22:55,560
here. I think you're just looking for an
update.

984
01:22:52,080 --> 01:22:55,560
» I think so.

985
01:22:56,639 --> 01:23:04,600
» The update is your address.
>> Miss Rubel needs your name and address.

986
01:23:01,600 --> 01:23:04,600
» Steven.

987
01:23:06,320 --> 01:23:09,320
» Okay.

988
01:23:10,560 --> 01:23:19,280
» The update is um we uh hadn't done much
work over the winter. It was a bad

989
01:23:16,800 --> 01:23:24,320
winter. So, uh, but soon as the frost
laws were lifted, we've been out there

990
01:23:20,960 --> 01:23:29,280
every day, uh, working and, uh, we're
about halfway done.

991
01:23:27,520 --> 01:23:34,400
So, our minutes from the last time we
met, which was not last month, but it

992
01:23:31,199 --> 01:23:39,199
was what was
um, because we just approved these

993
01:23:36,400 --> 01:23:42,960
meeting minutes. So, in February,
we extended it until August 2026 for

994
01:23:42,000 --> 01:23:45,679
you.
>> Okay.

995
01:23:44,320 --> 01:23:48,880
» And I want to make sure that this is
correct. It says Lepier Road, Mr.

996
01:23:47,199 --> 01:23:50,639
Washington's property. That is yours,
correct?

997
01:23:49,840 --> 01:23:53,760
» Uh, yeah,
>> it should say Wessle then.

998
01:23:52,239 --> 01:23:58,400
» Yeah, it should say Wessle. Yeah.
>> Um, we'll need to make a note of that

999
01:23:55,920 --> 01:24:02,880
before we leave today. This isn't right.
Are you going to need more time than

1000
01:24:00,000 --> 01:24:07,520
than um August? And if so, are you going
to come back next month then? Do you

1001
01:24:04,880 --> 01:24:12,159
want to come back next month?
>> Yeah, we my contractor says we might

1002
01:24:10,320 --> 01:24:18,600
need more time. So,
>> Mr. Gilencia,

1003
01:24:14,239 --> 01:24:18,600
» would you like me to walk up, please?

1004
01:24:20,880 --> 01:24:30,000
» Would you give your name, please?
>> Good afternoon. Matt Gillette. Uh,

1005
01:24:25,440 --> 01:24:34,480
address is 4259 Gravity Road, Clyde.
As far as completion date, uh, we got

1006
01:24:32,800 --> 01:24:39,760
roughly,
let's say, 35,000 yards left. We hauled

1007
01:24:37,040 --> 01:24:44,560
out of the 45,000 yards, roughly about
7,000 yards so far.

1008
01:24:42,000 --> 01:24:47,920
uh in order to keep peace within the
community and keep truck traffic down.

1009
01:24:46,400 --> 01:24:51,840
We don't want to pound it with trucks.
So, we're trying to extend it out a

1010
01:24:49,760 --> 01:24:55,520
little bit further. That way, it's a
little more gentle to the public and our

1011
01:24:53,760 --> 01:24:59,040
neighboring properties.
>> So, realistically, we're probably

1012
01:24:57,600 --> 01:25:05,800
looking at the end of the year to finish
this up. So, a tenative completion date

1013
01:25:02,639 --> 01:25:05,800
of 123126.

1014
01:25:06,000 --> 01:25:10,000
» When does frost laws come on? Isn't that
November?

1015
01:25:08,400 --> 01:25:14,600
» Frost laws come on during the spring.
>> Oh, spring. Okay. All right.

1016
01:25:18,639 --> 01:25:24,480
» Mud mudmat was added.
>> Correct. And I got pictures of that

1017
01:25:21,760 --> 01:25:29,280
timestamped. So, uh, Neil reached out
and we had a sit down meeting Friday and

1018
01:25:27,040 --> 01:25:35,360
informed us that he wanted a mudmat.
Monday, we put a mud mat in. Um, got

1019
01:25:31,440 --> 01:25:38,480
pitch approved. So, that's ready to go.
>> Would there be hardship if there was a

1020
01:25:36,800 --> 01:25:42,239
motion to October? I just know
practicality for us. we because of the

1021
01:25:40,639 --> 01:25:46,639
holidays in November and December, we
may not have a meeting and it may you

1022
01:25:43,840 --> 01:25:50,480
know expire without us being able to
meet just depending on you know how

1023
01:25:48,239 --> 01:25:55,840
November with Thanksgiving in our
schedule and so would there be a

1024
01:25:53,199 --> 01:25:59,280
hardship if we saw you then in October
instead and then if you need the

1025
01:25:57,679 --> 01:26:02,480
additional time then we go with that.
>> Yeah, we could always review at October

1026
01:26:00,960 --> 01:26:06,159
and you know we'll have a better
understanding midway through the year

1027
01:26:03,840 --> 01:26:10,639
too if we need extended time based on
what projects we have etc. So I'm just

1028
01:26:09,520 --> 01:26:14,159
thinking of feasibility because
sometimes we don't meet those two months

1029
01:26:12,239 --> 01:26:19,480
because of how the holiday meets or
falls.

1030
01:26:16,480 --> 01:26:19,480
So

1031
01:26:21,840 --> 01:26:27,920
» any other questions?
>> Yeah. Is there anything else that we

1032
01:26:26,400 --> 01:26:32,639
need to address in regards to conditions
that aren't being met or just

1033
01:26:31,040 --> 01:26:39,960
items?
>> The conditions were met.

1034
01:26:36,320 --> 01:26:39,960
the county satisfied.

1035
01:26:40,239 --> 01:26:48,719
» So there isn't if we enough gr time
would be granted to address the slopes

1036
01:26:45,120 --> 01:26:53,440
that need to be corrected. And this um I
guess that was an item last time that we

1037
01:26:51,280 --> 01:26:55,520
talked about this because it's not
finished that we're not addressing the

1038
01:26:54,800 --> 01:26:59,440
slopes or
>> it's too wet to do the slopes.

1039
01:26:57,199 --> 01:27:02,800
» Yeah. So the process of digging this out
because the water table is high. We're

1040
01:27:00,880 --> 01:27:06,320
digging out with the water in there.
when we're close to completion of size,

1041
01:27:04,960 --> 01:27:10,400
we're going to drain the pond down and
then put a dozer in the bottom to clean

1042
01:27:08,560 --> 01:27:13,840
up the side slopes and make it,
>> you know, compliant in that way. But

1043
01:27:12,239 --> 01:27:18,719
» I believe we're leaving the slopes a
little more gentle, but they they look a

1044
01:27:16,080 --> 01:27:21,199
little jagged just because we're digging
underwater. It's hard to see.

1045
01:27:20,400 --> 01:27:24,639
» Okay.
>> Did you have a question?

1046
01:27:22,719 --> 01:27:29,400
» What are your hours of operation?
>> Mon Monday through Friday, 7 to 7

1047
01:27:33,840 --> 01:27:40,480
Okay. Um, well, right now, and I I spoke
to Neil about this, we're actually

1048
01:27:38,719 --> 01:27:44,320
hauling sand out of there to take to our
shop, which is a couple of addresses

1049
01:27:42,639 --> 01:27:48,560
down to the west.
>> Uh, so we can do early and late loading.

1050
01:27:46,800 --> 01:27:54,719
Um,
>> uh, well, that property we're loading as

1051
01:27:51,520 --> 01:27:58,639
early as 5:30, 5 in the morning, and
sometimes 8 o'clock at night,

1052
01:27:56,960 --> 01:28:02,480
» which is that that's a totally separate
property. That's in Clyde Township, too.

1053
01:28:00,639 --> 01:28:06,159
were um
>> street

1054
01:28:04,639 --> 01:28:12,320
» industrial there that he'd be
industrial. So I didn't see anything in

1055
01:28:08,800 --> 01:28:19,239
the in there for time time constraints
but could be wrong if if I have

1056
01:28:16,239 --> 01:28:19,239
supplied

1057
01:28:21,920 --> 01:28:27,920
» again
>> any other questions or comments

1058
01:28:26,320 --> 01:28:31,440
» I'll accept a motion
>> but it's miss it's Wessel it's not

1059
01:28:30,239 --> 01:28:36,000
Washington correct
>> correct

1060
01:28:32,480 --> 01:28:43,520
» yep we got it
I just want See, cuz that's right here.

1061
01:28:40,560 --> 01:28:47,280
» And we're doing this asleep here. Okay.
>> So, you're you're only trucking company

1062
01:28:45,520 --> 01:28:50,719
in and out of there.
>> Uh there's occasional other trucks that

1063
01:28:49,040 --> 01:28:55,040
we bring in, but we don't usually bring
any more than five trucks, you know,

1064
01:28:52,800 --> 01:28:59,360
five trucks running multiple rounds a
day. You're usually running two, maybe

1065
01:28:57,040 --> 01:29:02,800
three rounds out of there a day. So,
>> and a class A.

1066
01:29:00,719 --> 01:29:07,360
» Correct. Yep. And I got an email from
Andrew McNiff stating that we don't need

1067
01:29:04,960 --> 01:29:13,520
a road bond or a special use permit for
the road, stating that that is only for

1068
01:29:10,239 --> 01:29:17,040
oversize overwidth uses and that because
we're hauling legal loads out of the

1069
01:29:14,960 --> 01:29:20,960
property that he doesn't require us to
have a bond or use for that specific

1070
01:29:19,360 --> 01:29:23,520
road because it's class A.
>> And then help us out. That's the road

1071
01:29:22,560 --> 01:29:26,639
commission, correct?
>> That is the road commission. Yes.

1072
01:29:25,199 --> 01:29:31,280
» I have that same
>> Y just to let everybody else know. I was

1073
01:29:29,199 --> 01:29:35,360
just by there today and the road's
pretty clean. So, it does you can't tell

1074
01:29:33,440 --> 01:29:38,880
that there's trucks going in and out of
there. So, pretty clean.

1075
01:29:37,040 --> 01:29:42,560
» So, we uh
>> our our yard loader that we use to load

1076
01:29:40,800 --> 01:29:47,920
out of that property in our yard. We
have a pickup broom that we use. So,

1077
01:29:45,600 --> 01:29:51,199
daily we're sweeping up on the road and
then, you know, unlike a lot of rooms,

1078
01:29:50,080 --> 01:29:54,000
we're not just kicking it off to the
shoulder. We're actually kicking or

1079
01:29:52,320 --> 01:29:58,400
picking it up then bringing it back to
our shop to dispose of.

1080
01:29:57,199 --> 01:30:06,239
» Okay.
I'll move to extend the pond and soil

1081
01:30:02,639 --> 01:30:13,239
removal permit for Lepier Road, Mr.
Wessel's property to September

1082
01:30:09,440 --> 01:30:13,239
28th, 2026

1083
01:30:13,760 --> 01:30:17,880
from August 2026.

1084
01:30:20,320 --> 01:30:24,800
» Second.
>> I have a motion

1085
01:30:22,800 --> 01:30:28,320
» and a second.
>> All those in favor signify by saying I.

1086
01:30:27,440 --> 01:30:31,920
I
>> oppos same sign.

1087
01:30:30,639 --> 01:30:37,280
» Car
>> just for clarification to meet with this

1088
01:30:35,440 --> 01:30:39,360
about an extension or if we need to do
an update. What date will that be or

1089
01:30:38,880 --> 01:30:41,360
will you
>> That is the 26th.

1090
01:30:40,320 --> 01:30:45,360
» That'll be the 26th.
>> That's our regular meeting date.

1091
01:30:43,600 --> 01:30:49,760
» All right. And then uh one last thing on
that too. We did amend the um soil

1092
01:30:48,159 --> 01:30:54,639
removal permit to add me as an
interested party or uh interested party

1093
01:30:52,480 --> 01:30:59,679
so that my contact is on there as well.
Um okay. I know you're out of town often

1094
01:30:56,960 --> 01:31:03,120
working and like I said our business our
operations is two doors down so we're

1095
01:31:01,840 --> 01:31:04,400
there every day.
>> Okay.

1096
01:31:03,600 --> 01:31:08,679
» Okay.
>> Thank you, Mr. Jul.

1097
01:31:05,520 --> 01:31:08,679
» Thank you.

1098
01:31:09,199 --> 01:31:17,639
» Okay. We have uh
C Spartanville Baptist building update.

1099
01:31:32,080 --> 01:31:39,199
Okay, as an update, we are continuing to
discuss with the city engineer the types

1100
01:31:37,199 --> 01:31:42,800
of soils that are on the site
>> and possibly getting an infiltration

1101
01:31:41,199 --> 01:31:46,440
test to prove that the pond that is
designed is adequate.

1102
01:31:46,880 --> 01:31:50,239
» So, I here I have Do you got foot
puddings in the ground?

1103
01:31:49,600 --> 01:31:52,880
» No.
>> No footings yet?

1104
01:31:51,120 --> 01:31:58,480
» No. There is a permit.
>> Yeah.

1105
01:31:54,080 --> 01:32:04,320
» 11 of 2025 was issued to get them
started. They haven't done anything. So,

1106
01:32:02,239 --> 01:32:08,320
just an update for you.
>> Okay.

1107
01:32:05,600 --> 01:32:13,280
» So, hopefully this be can be addressed
before the November expiration for this

1108
01:32:11,199 --> 01:32:17,440
project. And if not, we'll see you in
Nove, you know, November or earlier

1109
01:32:15,760 --> 01:32:21,600
because I think we've extended this out
of courtesy for a while now.

1110
01:32:20,480 --> 01:32:26,719
» We have. Yes.
>> So I believe it's November is when the

1111
01:32:24,320 --> 01:32:29,440
current expiration quote unquote would
occur for the plans

1112
01:32:28,080 --> 01:32:32,560
» of the footing permit.
>> Yeah. The footing permit. But it's kind

1113
01:32:30,960 --> 01:32:36,080
of tied to We did that with the site
plane, too. We have an incomplete site

1114
01:32:34,080 --> 01:32:38,239
plan.
>> Correct.

1115
01:32:37,199 --> 01:32:43,440
» Third party.
>> Yeah. So we'll see you November or maybe

1116
01:32:41,679 --> 01:32:45,520
earlier than November if this matter is
addressed.

1117
01:32:44,880 --> 01:32:48,159
» Yes.
>> Got it.

1118
01:32:46,239 --> 01:32:52,639
» Okay.
>> Thank you.

1119
01:32:50,080 --> 01:32:56,159
Okay.
>> Pastor got all dressed up and didn't say

1120
01:32:54,400 --> 01:33:02,159
a word.
>> Does he?

1121
01:32:59,199 --> 01:33:04,000
» Do you feel okay about that or
>> me?

1122
01:33:02,639 --> 01:33:06,480
» Yeah. That you don't have to say
anything.

1123
01:33:04,880 --> 01:33:10,880
» No. Um,
>> now if you talk, you got to go to the

1124
01:33:08,080 --> 01:33:14,760
you got to go to the mic then.
>> We drug you out here.

1125
01:33:17,040 --> 01:33:25,679
» That's the engineer.
>> Yes. So, Abe Braun, 5240 Griswald Road,

1126
01:33:23,040 --> 01:33:30,000
» um Kimble, Michigan. So, so yeah,
basically

1127
01:33:27,199 --> 01:33:34,639
that's who I've been talking to and last
updates he's been telling me is seemed

1128
01:33:32,639 --> 01:33:38,960
like largely
um he told me the parking lot and

1129
01:33:36,239 --> 01:33:42,320
retention pond were settled with Tetrate
Tech and that the last thing that we

1130
01:33:40,800 --> 01:33:45,360
were waiting on was small stuff,
basically semantic. So, I asked him,

1131
01:33:43,840 --> 01:33:48,159
"So, will we be good to go tonight?" He
said, "No."

1132
01:33:46,000 --> 01:33:53,199
» No. And so, and then also the reason
we've not started with our footings is

1133
01:33:50,239 --> 01:33:55,679
our contractor wanted to get the plants
more done before we're digging and

1134
01:33:54,560 --> 01:33:58,560
putting them in and then they're sitting
there. So, um,

1135
01:33:57,600 --> 01:34:01,840
» yeah,
>> we just don't want to be the hold up.

1136
01:34:00,239 --> 01:34:05,440
» Sure. No, that's the thing. It doesn't I
don't think it's you guys. It seems like

1137
01:34:03,520 --> 01:34:11,440
it's our engineer with the other one and
and I'm I've sought counsel from

1138
01:34:08,480 --> 01:34:14,239
contractors about
scratching our engineer and starting

1139
01:34:12,719 --> 01:34:17,600
over, but are we too close to do that?
Like, like what's the smart play here?

1140
01:34:15,920 --> 01:34:21,679
So, it seems like we're kind of stuck
waiting a little bit.

1141
01:34:19,199 --> 01:34:24,560
» Um, so yeah, I don't think it's you guys
at all.

1142
01:34:22,560 --> 01:34:29,600
» So, at the end of the day, if we don't
we don't have to see you. We just need

1143
01:34:26,560 --> 01:34:33,840
the letters that say the the numbers are
correct at a minimum. We don't have to

1144
01:34:32,080 --> 01:34:36,560
see you, but we extended it until
November kind of out of courtesy as

1145
01:34:36,239 --> 01:34:39,040
said.
>> No, I appreciate it. And that's the

1146
01:34:37,600 --> 01:34:42,400
thing, too. I've not seen the
corresponding emails. I'm just hearing

1147
01:34:40,400 --> 01:34:45,760
what he's telling me. So, I don't really
>> know exactly where we're at. So, it's a

1148
01:34:44,880 --> 01:34:48,480
little complicated
>> because we went back and forth and we

1149
01:34:47,199 --> 01:34:52,880
have two letters from two different
third parties that said the same thing.

1150
01:34:50,239 --> 01:34:56,080
» Sure. No, I I understand and from what
I've seen and from the people I know who

1151
01:34:54,239 --> 01:35:00,239
are contractors who have looked at them,
they had questions as well. Like, so

1152
01:34:58,480 --> 01:35:01,840
I've seen that.
>> So,

1153
01:35:01,040 --> 01:35:02,560
» thank you guys.
>> Thank you.

1154
01:35:02,239 --> 01:35:04,320
» Thank you.
>> We're not talking about that, are we?

1155
01:35:03,840 --> 01:35:06,960
» Huh?
>> Why? That's not on the agenda, Mr.

1156
01:35:06,639 --> 01:35:12,080
Chair.
>> Oh, well, it's coming up.

1157
01:35:08,400 --> 01:35:15,920
» Okay. I have uh No.
audience

1158
01:35:13,840 --> 01:35:20,080
participation.
Do we have anybody that wishes to

1159
01:35:17,520 --> 01:35:22,080
participate?
No,

1160
01:35:20,400 --> 01:35:23,360
» we just appreciate that there's people
here.

1161
01:35:22,719 --> 01:35:28,239
» I really do.
>> I've sat here for years and there's not

1162
01:35:25,199 --> 01:35:32,159
been people here.
>> See what's going on Taylor Road. I

1163
01:35:30,239 --> 01:35:36,480
missed that beginning.
>> Yes. But you got to come up here and

1164
01:35:34,080 --> 01:35:43,440
» Yeah. need your name and address.
>> My name is Harry Mowski. 6236 Winch

1165
01:35:39,840 --> 01:35:48,080
Road. Um, you guys allowed that compost
to go right next to me on on the one

1166
01:35:45,920 --> 01:35:50,800
side of the property and then now on the
other side you guys are thinking of

1167
01:35:49,280 --> 01:35:53,520
putting a sand pit.
>> I'll comment about I know where he's

1168
01:35:52,719 --> 01:35:57,120
you're at.
>> I'm right dead. I'm right alongside of

1169
01:35:55,679 --> 01:36:02,560
Trello's property and now he's going to
sandwich me in where we're smelling the

1170
01:36:00,000 --> 01:36:06,800
compost and I've been up here different
times and they said the permit's going

1171
01:36:04,639 --> 01:36:12,159
to expire and apparently it just kept
extending. I I've talked to Rob

1172
01:36:10,239 --> 01:36:15,520
Yuzakowski for that
>> different times and this thing just

1173
01:36:13,760 --> 01:36:18,480
keeps going and going and going.
>> But it's the compost. I don't understand

1174
01:36:17,360 --> 01:36:25,120
that statement.
>> The leaves that come in uh at Fledge

1175
01:36:23,199 --> 01:36:27,679
Trolls.
>> Okay.

1176
01:36:25,840 --> 01:36:32,800
» Yes.
>> And the state permit from Eagle.

1177
01:36:30,719 --> 01:36:38,239
» Okay. And it was supposed to be
short-term according to the people at

1178
01:36:34,960 --> 01:36:41,280
the township here and then it just keeps
extending.

1179
01:36:38,960 --> 01:36:43,920
» I've been here 38 years and I never said
short term.

1180
01:36:42,159 --> 01:36:48,159
» Okay. Well, the people that I talked to
here, um Rob Yuzakowski was one of them

1181
01:36:46,719 --> 01:36:50,960
and then some of
>> I'm the zoning and planning.

1182
01:36:50,080 --> 01:36:54,320
» Okay.
>> I'm not talking on behalf of the chair,

1183
01:36:52,560 --> 01:36:57,040
but we're the two oldest ones here.
>> I've never

1184
01:36:55,119 --> 01:36:59,600
» No, that hasn't come to us.
>> The to the

1185
01:36:58,239 --> 01:37:01,600
» the composting has not.
>> No.

1186
01:37:00,000 --> 01:37:04,880
» No. So you don't even know they're
composting back there. There's

1187
01:37:03,440 --> 01:37:06,560
» multiple trucks going in there.
Semi-truckss coming in there all the

1188
01:37:06,159 --> 01:37:09,840
time.
>> That way for

1189
01:37:08,400 --> 01:37:12,159
10 years.
>> Yes.

1190
01:37:10,560 --> 01:37:14,320
» And I complained at that time and I
filled out the forms and did everything.

1191
01:37:13,679 --> 01:37:21,119
Then
>> Eagle made them do is slope and there

1192
01:37:17,920 --> 01:37:25,119
was an area where they
ruined the wetlands. They had to

1193
01:37:23,199 --> 01:37:29,840
mitigate the wetlands. Almost five
acres. Yes.

1194
01:37:28,800 --> 01:37:34,560
They just cleared out.
>> Is this a state state? He's got a state

1195
01:37:32,639 --> 01:37:37,280
permit to do the composting.
>> Yes.

1196
01:37:35,040 --> 01:37:40,960
» So that's got nothing to do with us.
>> Eagles, I was out there with 13

1197
01:37:39,440 --> 01:37:43,679
different people from the state of
Michigan.

1198
01:37:42,159 --> 01:37:46,080
» There's a problem.
>> No.

1199
01:37:44,159 --> 01:37:51,119
» Yeah. 13 different people.
>> Yeah.

1200
01:37:48,880 --> 01:37:56,560
And then if he's going to do this sand
pit, like when he drained the pond for

1201
01:37:54,320 --> 01:38:00,639
the composting to get the sand out of
there, all of our ponds drop

1202
01:37:58,400 --> 01:38:04,480
dramatically all in the whole area
because it's all sand and it just all

1203
01:38:02,239 --> 01:38:07,040
levels out. If he's going to do the same
thing on the other side of us, it's

1204
01:38:05,840 --> 01:38:10,639
going to do the exactly the same thing.
That that water is going to drop

1205
01:38:09,440 --> 01:38:12,880
dramatically again. And I don't know
where he's going to get rid of that

1206
01:38:11,679 --> 01:38:19,719
water.
>> I think he's only going what, one ft. 20

1207
01:38:16,480 --> 01:38:19,719
ft deep.

1208
01:38:21,840 --> 01:38:24,639
» That's your neighbor.
>> What's that?

1209
01:38:23,679 --> 01:38:28,040
» That's your neighbor.
>> How are you?

1210
01:38:29,280 --> 01:38:34,320
» You got approval of the big pond 1.4
acres.

1211
01:38:34,000 --> 01:38:38,880
» Mhm.
>> Yep.

1212
01:38:37,199 --> 01:38:42,080
» Hours of operation
>> 77

1213
01:38:41,119 --> 01:38:46,320
» for one year.
>> For one year. And he come back if need

1214
01:38:43,760 --> 01:38:52,239
be.
again. How long was the composting? Was

1215
01:38:48,159 --> 01:38:57,920
that a one-year also? And now into it.
>> That's a non-ending

1216
01:38:54,719 --> 01:39:02,480
contract for the composting.
>> That is a state permit.

1217
01:39:00,560 --> 01:39:06,119
» You probably have to go ask the state
about that permit.

1218
01:39:06,560 --> 01:39:13,520
» Yeah,
>> because we don't handle states.

1219
01:39:10,560 --> 01:39:19,040
So does the state permit overrun our
township ordinance

1220
01:39:15,760 --> 01:39:21,600
» being from another county
>> which they are

1221
01:39:20,159 --> 01:39:27,040
» they are and they're
>> I have documentation

1222
01:39:23,040 --> 01:39:34,560
» and they're selling it to Michigan Pete
begging the black dirt as agricultural

1223
01:39:31,360 --> 01:39:38,360
to sell the Michigan they beg it and
sell it to black dirt

1224
01:39:38,719 --> 01:39:46,800
» and that has affected to my well quality
and health because that stuff is blown

1225
01:39:43,600 --> 01:39:50,639
around for. Um,
>> Mr. Chair, if I may speak, I think what

1226
01:39:49,040 --> 01:39:53,679
he's asking us is he lives in our
township and what are we going to do

1227
01:39:51,679 --> 01:39:56,159
about it?
>> Yeah.

1228
01:39:54,320 --> 01:40:01,040
» No, he's he's
>> they have a state permit. So there's

1229
01:39:58,320 --> 01:40:03,440
» and he's disgruntled and he wants us to
communicate with the state for him

1230
01:40:02,320 --> 01:40:08,159
because we represent him.
>> We have andowski

1231
01:40:05,440 --> 01:40:13,600
and myself been out there. They line
they line the tops when they turn it,

1232
01:40:10,719 --> 01:40:16,320
that's when you get the stain.
Are you with Vincent Heating and

1233
01:40:15,280 --> 01:40:21,760
Plumbing or
>> I used to be. Yeah.

1234
01:40:20,080 --> 01:40:26,000
» And it was, you know, the first year was
horrible. I mean, we had billions of

1235
01:40:24,480 --> 01:40:28,480
flies. I mean, it was
>> And doesn't Marty keep in contact with

1236
01:40:28,000 --> 01:40:30,320
you?
>> Marty does. Yeah.

1237
01:40:29,679 --> 01:40:35,040
» Okay.
>> And um

1238
01:40:32,719 --> 01:40:38,480
but anyway, just that's why I wasn't
sure where the property is located. Is

1239
01:40:36,480 --> 01:40:42,159
that the one right next to my property
or is that the one where

1240
01:40:40,320 --> 01:40:45,199
» closer to the expressway?
>> It's behind Mr.

1241
01:40:44,400 --> 01:40:48,840
» It's Zobels.
>> I'm sorry. Where's that?

1242
01:40:48,880 --> 01:40:54,199
» I'm sorry. I still didn't hear you.
>> I'm Taylor.

1243
01:40:51,199 --> 01:40:54,199
» Y

1244
01:40:54,400 --> 01:40:57,040
» Oh, Zobel Farm. So, you guys going to be
digging over there?

1245
01:40:56,719 --> 01:41:00,280
» Yes, sir.
>> Yeah. Okay.

1246
01:41:02,480 --> 01:41:06,800
» Right. South of the exit or entrance.
All right.

1247
01:41:06,480 --> 01:41:10,320
» Yes.
>> So, are they making that are they how

1248
01:41:09,040 --> 01:41:14,239
much sand are they hauling out of there?
Cuz that's I haven't heard anything of

1249
01:41:12,000 --> 01:41:19,119
that until, you know, it came out
public.

1250
01:41:15,440 --> 01:41:22,480
» There was a uh you got a letter stating
that there was a public hearing,

1251
01:41:20,880 --> 01:41:26,800
» correct? That's why I'm here today.
>> Yeah. And it was in a newspaper. So,

1252
01:41:24,159 --> 01:41:30,560
that's only we don't call people tell
them there's a meeting.

1253
01:41:28,800 --> 01:41:34,880
That's why we have a public hearing.
>> Yep. I guess I just um How how big is

1254
01:41:33,520 --> 01:41:39,280
the pond going to be? I I don't know
anything. I don't know what's

1255
01:41:36,080 --> 01:41:42,719
» the application was 1.4 acres
20t deep.

1256
01:41:40,480 --> 01:41:45,440
» Okay. So, it's just a normal pond then.
Gotcha. Right.

1257
01:41:43,520 --> 01:41:51,119
» All right. I was under the assumption
that Trello has been asking me if he

1258
01:41:47,840 --> 01:41:54,320
could get on my property and dig. He's
wants that sand bad. So, that's why I

1259
01:41:53,119 --> 01:41:57,679
thought he jumped over there and was
going to do the same thing. You know,

1260
01:41:55,840 --> 01:41:59,280
try to dig on each side, but that's just
a pond. I don't have a problem with

1261
01:41:58,880 --> 01:42:03,280
that.
>> So,

1262
01:41:59,600 --> 01:42:09,440
» so can I ask I just flinch bog? Which
portion? Flinchbog. Um, next to DNM.

1263
01:42:07,520 --> 01:42:12,400
That part of Flinch or No, wait a
minute. That's bar.

1264
01:42:10,239 --> 01:42:14,719
» If you go down Taylor office 69, you
would turn left.

1265
01:42:13,840 --> 01:42:17,600
» I'm behind
>> towards the golf course.

1266
01:42:16,320 --> 01:42:19,199
» You are going towards the golf course.
Yes.

1267
01:42:17,920 --> 01:42:21,520
» Where his trucks are. You're on the
other. Okay.

1268
01:42:20,480 --> 01:42:25,360
» Yep. I'm on the
>> You're not on the populated side of Fl.

1269
01:42:24,159 --> 01:42:27,440
» That's why I bought there. I wanted to
be by myself in the

1270
01:42:26,400 --> 01:42:28,880
» I understand where you're at now. It
just took me a minute. It's a horrible

1271
01:42:28,560 --> 01:42:32,080
thing
>> because then the other side of Flinch

1272
01:42:30,159 --> 01:42:34,320
Bog does the turnaround and turns into
bug. Right.

1273
01:42:33,119 --> 01:42:37,320
» Operation.
>> Okay.

1274
01:42:38,239 --> 01:42:42,320
» That's an old name.
>> Yeah.

1275
01:42:41,440 --> 01:42:45,520
» That property.
>> Yeah.

1276
01:42:42,800 --> 01:42:49,280
» He was doing the same thing then.
>> Yeah. Atti met with me. Um he came over

1277
01:42:48,000 --> 01:42:52,320
to the house. He talked to me and showed
me the plans that he was going to do and

1278
01:42:50,880 --> 01:42:58,000
how far he was going to go and the time
frame he was going to go and then um Mr.

1279
01:42:55,520 --> 01:43:02,880
Trello ended up buying that
>> continue that same operation.

1280
01:43:00,000 --> 01:43:07,119
» Okay. So
anyway, I just wasn't sure what the pond

1281
01:43:04,800 --> 01:43:10,480
was and I in my mind I'm thinking it's
grander than what it was. So I'm

1282
01:43:08,639 --> 01:43:13,600
thinking, oh boy, I'm going to be in
between a sand pit and

1283
01:43:13,040 --> 01:43:15,760
» correct.
>> So

1284
01:43:14,080 --> 01:43:21,040
» anything under two?
>> Yes. Anything under two acres is not

1285
01:43:19,440 --> 01:43:24,000
state reviewed.
>> Okay.

1286
01:43:21,520 --> 01:43:26,320
» Been doing this for a while and that is
a loophole. I'm just going to call it

1287
01:43:25,760 --> 01:43:29,280
what it is.
>> I was picturing something like on

1288
01:43:27,520 --> 01:43:31,280
Abbottzford Road there. You know the
that pit that they dug?

1289
01:43:30,800 --> 01:43:35,199
» Oh,
>> on there which is huge. Not Abbottzford

1290
01:43:33,520 --> 01:43:37,199
and Rice.
>> The old tree farm. Are you talking about

1291
01:43:36,719 --> 01:43:39,440
that?
>> Yeah. Yeah.

1292
01:43:38,080 --> 01:43:42,960
» Tree farm. That that's what I was
picturing out by me. So,

1293
01:43:40,719 --> 01:43:47,280
» no no not no
>> no good. I hope you have beautiful.

1294
01:43:46,960 --> 01:43:50,400
» No.
>> All right. Thank you for listening.

1295
01:43:49,040 --> 01:43:54,719
» Make you feel a little better.
>> All right.

1296
01:43:51,920 --> 01:43:57,600
» Uh,
anybody else?

1297
01:43:56,800 --> 01:44:02,320
Just be quick.
>> Yes.

1298
01:43:58,960 --> 01:44:07,280
» Education. It would be easier that
>> Yeah.

1299
01:44:02,880 --> 01:44:11,760
» Yeah. The rest. So, um we're currently
renting our operations base and looking

1300
01:44:09,679 --> 01:44:16,800
for a place to reside. We're currently
in light light industrial area which is

1301
01:44:13,920 --> 01:44:19,920
implied. Um we've talked to a couple
people in Kimble that have some

1302
01:44:18,239 --> 01:44:24,800
properties. One of them is Perry
Westbrook that has that property on

1303
01:44:21,920 --> 01:44:27,760
Watams. But
>> watoms and what?

1304
01:44:25,760 --> 01:44:32,639
» Between I want to say it's between
Griswald and Ravenswood on the east

1305
01:44:30,719 --> 01:44:35,840
side. It's the industrial building blue.
It's got a bunch of scrap metal out

1306
01:44:34,800 --> 01:44:41,880
front.
>> Um little bit of a

1307
01:44:38,159 --> 01:44:41,880
» They had all the construction

1308
01:44:42,400 --> 01:44:46,719
the building's way out back.
>> Oh,

1309
01:44:46,159 --> 01:44:51,280
but it's not.
>> What's that? Okay.

1310
01:44:48,960 --> 01:44:54,239
» Between
>> uh right next to I can't remember what

1311
01:44:52,960 --> 01:44:56,719
the name of the church is, but there's a
church right next

1312
01:44:56,320 --> 01:45:00,000
company.
>> Oh, okay.

1313
01:44:57,520 --> 01:45:04,080
» Yep. My question to you guys is the
rumors I'm hearing and I don't know

1314
01:45:01,600 --> 01:45:09,280
exactly how to look up one the zoning
and two where to access you know I guess

1315
01:45:07,119 --> 01:45:14,800
the allow what we're allowed to do in
certain zoning areas but

1316
01:45:12,719 --> 01:45:21,280
one how can I find where what that
zoning is and two if it's zoned let's

1317
01:45:18,159 --> 01:45:25,679
say commercial is there an option to be
able to ask for reszoning to zone it

1318
01:45:23,520 --> 01:45:30,239
into something different where one new
owners can clean up the property make it

1319
01:45:27,520 --> 01:45:33,840
useable But also, you know, as an excing
company, we do screening, we do

1320
01:45:31,440 --> 01:45:37,119
crushing. So, we'd have to have a use to
allow that. I'm not familiar with how

1321
01:45:36,159 --> 01:45:42,080
that works.
>> It's not light because the light area

1322
01:45:39,280 --> 01:45:46,239
there on Watams is more ne more closer
to the railroad where the I don't know

1323
01:45:44,639 --> 01:45:50,400
what it is now, but it used to be the
hardware store or the lumber yard and

1324
01:45:48,480 --> 01:45:53,600
area and that's more that's the light
industrial area right there.

1325
01:45:51,760 --> 01:45:56,800
» I think it's I think it's uh
agricultural.

1326
01:45:54,639 --> 01:46:01,040
» It's agricultural. He used to call he
had a sign up there at one time said

1327
01:45:58,719 --> 01:46:05,199
Westbrook Farms.
>> Gotcha. All right. So, as far as special

1328
01:46:03,600 --> 01:46:09,920
uses out there, it's probably unlikely
to get some sort of a screening

1329
01:46:07,199 --> 01:46:14,960
operation approved or whatnot. I mean, I
guess where where do I find

1330
01:46:13,760 --> 01:46:18,000
» the regulations? Is that correct?
>> The zoning ordinance. Okay.

1331
01:46:16,560 --> 01:46:22,719
» For soil. No.
>> Uh, no. For property zoning and then

1332
01:46:21,040 --> 01:46:30,000
allowed uses.
>> Come see me tomorrow. Okay. All right,

1333
01:46:25,679 --> 01:46:36,080
that's all I have. Thank you guys.
>> That's early, isn't it? 8:30.

1334
01:46:33,360 --> 01:46:41,239
» Oh, I thought it was 8:30.
>> Oh, that must be

1335
01:46:38,239 --> 01:46:41,239
» okay.

1336
01:46:41,440 --> 01:46:47,679
» Anybody else? There was no ZBA.
>> Wait a minute. Mr. Z.

1337
01:46:46,800 --> 01:46:50,679
» Yes.
>> Okay.

1338
01:46:52,000 --> 01:46:59,840
» That's his plan. asked for a batch.
>> Oh.

1339
01:46:57,600 --> 01:47:03,159
» So anyways, it's
right here.

1340
01:47:05,440 --> 01:47:08,480
» Yeah, with the drawing of the You got to
put the pond in there.

1341
01:47:07,920 --> 01:47:10,400
» It is.
>> Oh,

1342
01:47:09,280 --> 01:47:14,239
» right there. Okay.
>> Okay.

1343
01:47:12,639 --> 01:47:19,159
» Yeah, we didn't get it. So,
>> yeah. I'm

1344
01:47:14,560 --> 01:47:19,159
» just saying what we got was this.

1345
01:47:19,840 --> 01:47:24,400
» Put it on here.
>> It doesn't matter to us. You just need

1346
01:47:22,400 --> 01:47:26,880
to draw something with with the pond on
it and get it to me tomorrow.

1347
01:47:26,480 --> 01:47:29,679
» Okay.
>> Yep. There you go.

1348
01:47:28,000 --> 01:47:33,239
» To put with the application.
>> Okay.

1349
01:47:30,239 --> 01:47:33,239
» Yeah.

1350
01:47:34,639 --> 01:47:39,760
» Because Yeah. The one that we It took us
a minute. It wasn't all yours.

1351
01:47:39,040 --> 01:47:43,440
» It took us
>> Well, the township got approved for some

1352
01:47:41,520 --> 01:47:46,960
uh special granting through Lisa Mlan's
office. That's kind of a big deal. Okay.

1353
01:47:45,440 --> 01:47:55,679
» Um
we're working on that. But uh we have

1354
01:47:50,560 --> 01:47:57,360
plans for the broad property down by uh
at the bottom of Milwauke.

1355
01:47:56,800 --> 01:47:59,760
» Mhm.
>> Decker property.

1356
01:47:58,480 --> 01:48:05,360
» Is that what it's called?
>> Harold Decker owned it.

1357
01:48:01,280 --> 01:48:12,159
» Okay. So um we're still waiting on
grants to come through the community

1358
01:48:07,520 --> 01:48:16,639
foundations to acquire it from them. Um
I think it's going to be a good project.

1359
01:48:14,320 --> 01:48:20,800
So, you have a a kayak
>> be a canoe uh landing, right?

1360
01:48:18,880 --> 01:48:26,000
» We're getting a kayak launch gifted to
us from the county. So, that'll be fun.

1361
01:48:24,239 --> 01:48:29,920
Um
yeah, it's exciting. Um I put together

1362
01:48:28,000 --> 01:48:36,000
an ordinance
to uh I'm looking at the property at the

1363
01:48:33,040 --> 01:48:41,679
corner of Grizzled and Watams and they
want to put those eight duplexes and I I

1364
01:48:39,360 --> 01:48:46,560
think having
that many driveways that close to a busy

1365
01:48:44,400 --> 01:48:53,600
intersection will be an issue. So, I
drafted an ordinance to protect the

1366
01:48:49,520 --> 01:48:58,000
residents for safety issues. Um
Rob pushed it through the county road

1367
01:48:55,840 --> 01:49:02,080
commission and we're seeing where it can
go because I want to make sure that

1368
01:48:59,520 --> 01:49:07,760
we're not we don't have people having to
pull out of their driveway and cause an

1369
01:49:04,400 --> 01:49:10,719
accident. So,
it's going to be a big project if

1370
01:49:09,199 --> 01:49:16,560
there's that many houses there. We don't
need uh it's going to be a subdivision.

1371
01:49:13,199 --> 01:49:23,040
There should be access from within, not
30 driveways on a corner. So,

1372
01:49:20,960 --> 01:49:29,679
yeah, that's what I've got.
>> Okay.

1373
01:49:24,960 --> 01:49:36,360
Anybody else with anything? I have one.
I was talked to somebody mentioned it

1374
01:49:31,840 --> 01:49:36,360
again today to me. Chickens.

1375
01:49:36,400 --> 01:49:44,239
» They're everywhere.
>> Broad eggs.

1376
01:49:41,280 --> 01:49:49,360
» Not just broad eggs. I know, but the
lady sees them

1377
01:49:45,040 --> 01:49:53,920
» complaining on broadex. It's on.
>> I know. But I mean, we have an ordinance

1378
01:49:52,000 --> 01:49:57,159
here and
>> we do

1379
01:49:57,600 --> 01:50:02,360
» cuz I know what in regards to livestock.

1380
01:50:03,040 --> 01:50:08,239
» I know we had to deal with horses off of
Burma or Harvey. Oh, it's Harvey, wasn't

1381
01:50:07,040 --> 01:50:12,040
it? Yes.
>> And flint ball, too.

1382
01:50:19,040 --> 01:50:29,920
So the motion last time we brought this
up is to leave

1383
01:50:26,480 --> 01:50:35,040
» okay so I guess the one question is
just as if minimum

1384
01:50:32,639 --> 01:50:40,400
» how many chickens does she have you know
>> doesn't matter just talking chickens

1385
01:50:38,480 --> 01:50:42,800
» I eat chickens
>> but She have roosters.

1386
01:50:41,920 --> 01:50:46,080
» No,
>> but there is someone complaining.

1387
01:50:44,639 --> 01:50:49,280
» Yeah.
>> Why can't we talk her into building a

1388
01:50:48,239 --> 01:50:54,080
chicken trailer?
>> No. It's actually a beautiful best

1389
01:50:51,920 --> 01:51:00,560
looking little chicken house I ever
seen. I got pictures. Absolutely.

1390
01:50:57,040 --> 01:51:04,480
» I don't need to like cut the chair off.
However, he sits on the ZBA and this I

1391
01:51:02,800 --> 01:51:11,440
read this ordinance. This is a ZBA
issue. So, it says all such I'm going to

1392
01:51:08,480 --> 01:51:15,920
just say poultry. Mhm.
>> She'll also be prohibited in any area of

1393
01:51:13,360 --> 01:51:20,080
the township which is platted lands less
than

1394
01:51:18,639 --> 01:51:23,280
» they have to have three acres which
broadex doesn't and further provide a

1395
01:51:21,760 --> 01:51:27,199
minimum of 1acre or land shall be
devoted but it says the determination of

1396
01:51:25,360 --> 01:51:30,080
the ZBA established under the statute of
this ordinance shall in the absence of

1397
01:51:28,480 --> 01:51:35,440
fraud be conclusive on the question of
whether such are obnoxious

1398
01:51:33,199 --> 01:51:41,119
» and also caged.
>> That doesn't say that. So it sounds like

1399
01:51:37,199 --> 01:51:41,119
to me it's that's a ZBA question.

1400
01:51:41,199 --> 01:51:46,719
Good.
>> Mr. Chair, I got one more thing

1401
01:51:44,560 --> 01:51:50,719
» that sounds because Broadex is platted,
correct? I think Broadex is platted and

1402
01:51:49,360 --> 01:51:53,719
nothing over there is more than one
acre.

1403
01:52:00,719 --> 01:52:06,719
But you have what?
>> 300.

1404
01:52:03,280 --> 01:52:10,000
» But does she have more than three acres?
>> Those are those are

1405
01:52:08,560 --> 01:52:12,000
» those are the small. I just know that
was the issue at Harvey.

1406
01:52:11,360 --> 01:52:14,320
» 300
>> because that lady with the horses had

1407
01:52:13,520 --> 01:52:18,639
acreage.
>> She had one he had 300 chickens.

1408
01:52:17,679 --> 01:52:21,880
» Good lord.
>> Key West.

1409
01:52:23,199 --> 01:52:27,280
» Gary's got a question. Yes.
>> I wanted to share one more thing. With

1410
01:52:26,159 --> 01:52:31,920
the assistance of our county
commissioner Joy Terrell, we proposed a

1411
01:52:29,679 --> 01:52:36,400
moratorum. You know, the big talk right
now is data centers. So, Joy helped us

1412
01:52:34,239 --> 01:52:42,080
draft a moratorum to protect the
township and keep us in check to protect

1413
01:52:39,280 --> 01:52:47,599
the township from uh data centers. So,
>> and not that

1414
01:52:45,840 --> 01:52:52,239
supply data center, but just in case it
happens. So, appreciate Joy. So,

1415
01:52:50,560 --> 01:52:54,960
» so
>> I know I know

1416
01:52:53,280 --> 01:52:57,520
» what is your recommendation on the
chickens there?

1417
01:52:56,159 --> 01:53:00,239
» Well, that's what the ordinance says. If
it's obnoxious or noise, that's

1418
01:52:58,960 --> 01:53:04,639
determined by the ZBA.
>> We're going to take it to ZBA and then

1419
01:53:02,000 --> 01:53:08,800
we'll we'll put it in and we'll make the
>> enforcement

1420
01:53:06,320 --> 01:53:14,560
department. The Harvey issue was because
we lost I shouldn't say lost, but they

1421
01:53:11,679 --> 01:53:18,800
even when USDA came out is because that
area was planted. However, she had more

1422
01:53:16,800 --> 01:53:22,320
than three acres. Correct. over there in
Harvey

1423
01:53:20,000 --> 01:53:26,679
» in BRex. They don't have more than three
acres over there.

1424
01:53:23,679 --> 01:53:26,679
» No.

1425
01:53:27,440 --> 01:53:30,960
» That one I don't remember. I just
remember the Harvey one

1426
01:53:30,159 --> 01:53:34,239
» cuz it was hard
>> flinch ball. They had one and that poor

1427
01:53:32,480 --> 01:53:37,360
horse was up to his belly.
>> Are you talking about flinch off the

1428
01:53:35,760 --> 01:53:40,239
bottom?
>> Okay, got it.

1429
01:53:39,040 --> 01:53:42,320
» So
>> I got it.

1430
01:53:41,199 --> 01:53:44,880
» Nobody said nothing.
>> I'll move to adjourn at 7:55.

1431
01:53:44,080 --> 01:53:48,080
» There you go.
>> I second.

1432
01:53:46,159 --> 01:53:54,719
» All in favor?
I

1433
01:53:50,719 --> 01:53:57,920
» can we uh can we uh any residents
complain about chickens? Can we barter

1434
01:53:56,400 --> 01:54:00,159
with them and say, "Hey,
>> give these people eggs and maybe they'll

1435
01:53:59,920 --> 01:54:04,320
go."
>> Mr. Tunnel, I apologize. Mr. Milton,

1436
01:54:02,800 --> 01:54:07,360
» is that a potential like, "Hey, don't
complain and we'll give you eggs."

1437
01:54:06,719 --> 01:54:11,119
» Not us. But
>> and he sat over here. So that's why it

1438
01:54:09,119 --> 01:54:16,880
just triggered. I was just You were Mr.
Milk through Oh, wait a minute.

1439
01:54:14,239 --> 01:54:19,440
» The other thing we forgot. Shoot.
She needs to change the meeting minutes

1440
01:54:18,320 --> 01:54:21,599
so it doesn't say Washington.
>> We vote to adjourn.

1441
01:54:20,880 --> 01:54:24,920
» We did.
>> We did.

1442
01:54:31,440 --> 01:54:36,320
» Good to have you back.
>> Do we go to Is this the one that we went

1443
01:54:34,800 --> 01:54:42,040
to before still?
>> Yeah, but it's always the same.

1444
01:54:38,800 --> 01:54:42,040
» I think

1445
01:54:43,520 --> 01:54:47,599
» I'd like to see him get something
different. Is this Are you sure it's the

1446
01:54:46,480 --> 01:54:52,800
same?
>> What time is this one? I didn't even see

1447
01:54:50,000 --> 01:54:55,800
it. It is. It says 4 p.m. So, it's 5 to
8.

1448
01:55:02,080 --> 01:55:06,320
» All right, Mr. To.
>> Well, we got to call a meeting on the

1449
01:55:04,800 --> 01:55:09,520
zoning land.
>> Do you want does you guys want these?

1450
01:55:07,920 --> 01:55:14,800
» Cuz this guy,
>> he read too far.

1451
01:55:12,080 --> 01:55:18,000
So, Becky, I totally forgot, but Mr.
Washington needs to be changed to Mr.

1452
01:55:16,320 --> 01:55:23,000
Wessle.
>> Okay.

1453
01:55:19,199 --> 01:55:23,000
» And then this is yours.

1454
01:55:23,599 --> 01:55:29,000
» Can you get the book back?
>> We got to talk that one. Put

1455
01:55:34,159 --> 01:55:41,080
» If we want to go to this, we just
emailed it to Michelle

1456
01:55:37,599 --> 01:55:41,080
» or you. Okay.

1457
01:55:42,719 --> 01:55:47,000
Yeah.
>> And these people that are

1458
01:55:53,040 --> 01:55:58,920
» Who's the one with chickens over by When
you say Griswald Road is

1459
01:56:04,159 --> 01:56:10,480
» Oh, so you're further down. Okay. Okay.
>> In that area. Yeah.

1460
01:56:08,880 --> 01:56:15,719
» Okay. because I know there's a couple
over by.

1461
01:56:12,000 --> 01:56:15,719
» Yeah, I was gonna say yes.

1462
01:56:22,239 --> 01:56:27,040
» Well, it's the dude that was here
earlier

1463
01:56:24,239 --> 01:56:31,000
» and I seriously feel that I'm in Key
West when I drive down

1464
01:56:31,040 --> 01:56:37,560
and I I hate chickens. I do. It's the
marijuana is the marijuana.

1465
01:56:44,719 --> 01:56:49,000
I signed for the training. I put

1466
01:57:10,639 --> 01:57:14,599
And you're doing still

1467
01:57:15,760 --> 01:57:20,119
» is there not in August.

1468
01:57:23,119 --> 01:57:26,840
That's what threw us

1469
01:57:32,159 --> 01:57:37,239
Okay, just let me figure it out.

1470
01:58:32,000 --> 01:58:35,960
That's how we move things along.

1471
01:58:40,880 --> 01:58:45,960
It was
going to gracise.

1472
01:59:12,880 --> 01:59:16,679
Yes. Anyway,

1473
01:59:42,639 --> 01:59:46,040
15 minutes.

1474
01:59:51,599 --> 01:59:55,080
That's what we do.