[0:01] Or do I miss them? Yeah.
[0:03] Oh, approval of the minutes.
[0:08] May 22nd,
[0:10] 2025.
[0:25] Anybody got any uh problem with that?
[0:36] » Mr. Chairman, I also move that the
[0:37] minutes be approved as presented.
[0:42] » All right.
[0:43] Here or second?
[0:48] » I do have a question on it, actually.
[0:49] I'm looking at it.
[0:51] What What does the uh
[0:53] 301 mean? Does that mean that somebody
[0:56] wasn't here or did somebody just not
[0:58] vote?
[1:01] » I believe that was a no vote.
[1:04] » So, like a abstain?
[1:05] » Abstain.
[1:06] » Okay.
[1:09] » If uh before we move on, I I had one
[1:12] thing that I'd like to address
[1:14] concerning this.
[1:15] Um
[1:17] you know,
[1:19] we get
[1:21] uh
[1:23] financially subsidized for
[1:26] uh being present at these at these
[1:29] meetings.
[1:31] And um
[1:33] this year in 2026,
[1:35] uh I came to the uh
[1:38] financial section here in King George to
[1:40] uh
[1:41] receive my 1099,
[1:44] and I was told
[1:46] that I didn't get paid in 2025.
[1:51] And so, I would like to make
[1:54] you all aware of that. I did not get
[1:57] paid in 2025.
[2:03] » I will check with finance on that.
[2:05] » Right off because I came in January of
[2:08] 2026
[2:10] to get my
[2:11] uh 1099
[2:13] and they said, "Mr. Johnson,
[2:16] uh we have no 1099 for you."
[2:19] Now, it didn't bother me a whole lot cuz
[2:20] it's not a whole lot of money, but I'm
[2:23] still
[2:24] supposed to get something.
[2:26] » Yes, sir.
[2:27] » Okay.
[2:28] » I will I will gladly look into that for
[2:30] you.
[2:31] » Okay. Thank you.
[2:36] » Anything else?
[2:41] » Do we have to approve the motion?
[2:43] Do we Do we have to approve the motion
[2:45] to uh accept the minutes
[2:48] as read?
[2:50] » So moved.
[2:51] » Aye.
[2:51] » Aye.
[2:55] » Okay, now we're at the citizens public
[2:58] comment period.
[3:02] First of guest, we're going to
[3:06] public hearing on item number
[3:09] 2026-0964.
[3:19] Anybody want to
[3:20] say anything about that proposal?
[3:24] » Good evening. Uh my name is Jim Buck.
[3:26] I'm the engineer for this project. Um
[3:30] So, a parcel
[3:32] um on the Potomac River uh a little bit
[3:33] north of Dahlgren.
[3:35] Uh
[3:35] main
[3:37] main initial uh purpose of the project
[3:39] is to replace some
[3:41] uh timber groins that have failed.
[3:43] And since the timber groins had failed,
[3:46] uh there's been some erosion on a
[3:48] parcel. So, I guess the matter before
[3:50] uh this board is what we're doing on the
[3:53] uh,
[3:53] shore side of it where we're going to
[3:56] place rip rap revetment and grade back a
[3:59] slope.
[4:01] Um,
[4:02] so it's a it's not a
[4:04] terribly long piece where we're doing
[4:06] the improvements. Um, but
[4:09] uh, we do do want to
[4:11] stabilize the slope along there. Uh,
[4:13] this
[4:14] main residence of Mr. Blackburn,
[4:18] uh, his lot, the slope is well
[4:20] stabilized. Uh, the property owner to
[4:23] the north, his slope is well stabilized
[4:25] and there's a
[4:26] parcel in between where it's not
[4:28] stabilized and Mr. Blackburn owns.
[4:36] » Do you have any questions or not?
[4:40] Maybe a question for Mike. Look like we
[4:43] got a
[4:45] comment from the neighbor.
[4:46] Saw it in my email today. I didn't have
[4:48] a chance to read it. What was the
[4:50] comment that the neighbor had?
[4:52] » Yeah, I can address that. Um, the
[4:54] neighbor was concerned about how
[4:58] our project would tie into his project
[5:00] at the common property line. Um, I went
[5:03] through the project with or went through
[5:05] our approach with him and he's he's fine
[5:08] with everything. We do have an email to
[5:10] that effect where he's acknowledged that
[5:12] that he's okay with everything. So we
[5:14] we've resolved that concern, I believe.
[5:19] » Since he's north, he's only going to
[5:20] build up shoreline from these groynes
[5:22] anyway, so
[5:24] » Right, he already had the neighbor
[5:26] already has groynes and his the uh,
[5:30] uh,
[5:30] face of the um, hill there's about 16 ft
[5:33] tall. His is entirely rip rapped. Um,
[5:36] we're going to extend the rip rap up to
[5:38] about elevation eight and then just uh,
[5:41] use erosion control matting and
[5:43] revegetate everything between elevation
[5:46] eight and 16. So it'll it'll match the
[5:48] grading will match his his property.
[5:51] Um our intent is to
[5:53] uh install the groins um as soon as we
[5:58] can.
[5:59] And then allow these groins to work and
[6:02] and create some sand behind them and and
[6:04] hopefully restore the beach on on this
[6:05] lot.
[6:07] » So, will you be pulling the old groins
[6:08] out or just building behind them?
[6:10] » We're going to
[6:11] uh put the new groins in the same
[6:12] footprint as the old groins. So, we will
[6:14] pull them out, yes.
[6:15] » Move quickly cuz it's they're already
[6:17] pre-filled. You won't have to I assume
[6:19] you won't have to pre-fill them.
[6:20] » No.
[6:22] No, I think there's there's pretty good
[6:24] uh current in this area.
[6:25] And the uh groins that have not failed
[6:28] yet have have uh accumulated some nice
[6:31] beach.
[6:33] » In the old days, they used to make you
[6:35] pre-fill them when you built the groin.
[6:38] » Right.
[6:38] » But if you move quick, you've already
[6:40] got them filled, you shouldn't have to
[6:42] do that.
[6:42] » Right, right.
[6:46] » Uh I had one question. The poles that
[6:47] will be used for the new groins uh
[6:51] and old poles that
[6:52] are you going to pull those out? The old
[6:55] poles will be extracted.
[6:56] » To try to pull them out um
[6:58] when they do the work. Um if they won't
[7:00] come out uh
[7:02] and they're I I don't know how old they
[7:04] are. I'm guessing 25 30 years. If they
[7:06] won't come out for whatever reason, then
[7:08] they'd
[7:09] uh
[7:10] cut them uh level with the river bottom.
[7:12] » Okay.
[7:13] » Rather than leave them sticking out.
[7:15] » Okay.
[7:16] » You be jetting these in or driving them
[7:17] in?
[7:18] » Uh probably be driven in.
[7:22] We haven't selected a contractor yet,
[7:24] but
[7:25] uh I suspect they'll be driven.
[7:34] » Do you have any other questions?
[7:37] » All right.
[7:49] » The public would like to address this
[7:52] issue.
[7:54] » Doggett
[7:57] » You mean this last project, right?
[8:00] » Huh?
[8:00] » You mean address the last project?
[8:01] » The last issue, yes.
[8:03] » Talking about the last
[8:05] » You have to
[8:06] You have to approve it now or do you
[8:07] not?
[8:07] » Yes, yes.
[8:12] » I make a motion that we approve the uh
[8:16] project as uh presented.
[8:19] Uh let me get the project number.
[8:22] Uh item number
[8:25] 2026-0964
[8:30] » Second.
[8:31] » Seconded. All in favor?
[8:34] » I vote aye.
[8:35] » Aye.
[8:35] » Aye.
[8:37] » Okay.
[8:39] Next item is 2023
[8:42] 123 1253
[8:47] or  33.
[8:53] » Okay. Hi, I'm Lisa Dozeman. I'm the
[8:56] project manager for the shoreline
[8:58] restoration at Doggett Run Gamble Creek.
[9:01] We have our wetlands group here. So, if
[9:03] you have any questions on what we're
[9:04] doing on the creek, she'll be able to
[9:06] answer them on the design.
[9:10] And this is Leslie from USA.
[9:12] » Yes.
[9:12] » Um are you uh Can you put up the
[9:15] » Put up the plans?
[9:17] » Uh
[9:19] Chris, would you mind switching over to
[9:20] the next application?
[9:25] » Oh. Oh.
[9:26] Look at that.
[9:31] Which way?
[9:33] There we go.
[9:36] Okay, yeah, just
[9:37] » Oh, it went back, didn't it?
[9:38] » That's not it. It is.
[9:44] » Am I pointing it?
[9:48] » I think it might be stuck on this PDF.
[9:51] » Yeah, I think it's I think they're
[9:52] separate files.
[9:53] » That's two separate PDFs.
[9:55] » He's got to pull up the next one. All
[9:56] right, well, I'll let you I'll let you
[9:58] click through it since you're
[10:00] » I think it's a separate separate PDF.
[10:02] This one is just those three for the
[10:04] Blackburn project.
[10:05] » Oh, okay.
[10:06] » And then the other PDF was the was the
[10:09] Navy project.
[10:10] » It was up just a second.
[10:14] » So, this is Navy.
[10:16] » This is Blackburn.
[10:17] » No, this one
[10:17] » This is Blackburn. The other one
[10:21] 2025-1253
[10:24] is the Navy project.
[10:33] » So, this is a small project at the mouth
[10:37] of Gambo Creek
[10:39] where there is
[10:41] um
[10:42] 5-ft tall banks on along an outside bend
[10:46] of the creek that need to be stabilized.
[10:50] So, we're proposing a sill that's 108 ft
[10:53] long and then filling behind it with
[10:56] sand and planting that up up against the
[10:59] bank.
[11:01] So, it's a pretty simple design.
[11:04] Um
[11:07] and access will be the construction's
[11:09] going to be from land.
[11:20] » Is there any concern about unexploded
[11:23] ordinance? I saw a mention of that in
[11:25] the project proposal. Mention you're
[11:27] getting to it from land.
[11:30] Are you concerned about something
[11:32] happening there?
[11:33] » Right. So,
[11:35] that is because of the possible presence
[11:38] of unexploded ordnance. We cannot grade
[11:42] back the slope, which would be the ideal
[11:45] situation. But, in this case, we can't
[11:47] really grade. We can only add additional
[11:50] materials to the bank, which is why
[11:52] we're doing this stone sill and then the
[11:56] plantings and sand.
[11:58] There we go.
[12:00] » But, but there's no swimmer
[12:02] or like heavy equipment
[12:05] » Oh, right. So, yeah, um if need be,
[12:08] we'll have um
[12:10] someone come sweep before construction
[12:12] happens.
[12:14] » If you conveniently have a EOD on site,
[12:16] so
[12:17] » Right.
[12:19] So,
[12:22] So,
[12:22] » I'd definitely be careful
[12:24] cuz I've heard uh
[12:26] somebody uh in their boat, they came too
[12:28] close to shore and they their boat got
[12:31] blown up. They got a new boat out of it
[12:33] though.
[12:35] Wasn't exactly there, but it was
[12:37] somewhere around there, you know, I'm
[12:38] going to show you the creek.
[12:39] » Okay.
[12:41] So, um when you're looking at this
[12:43] picture, it's a the blue is a marsh and
[12:46] then next to it there's a bunch of
[12:50] lines to the
[12:52] like downstream or to the right sort of
[12:56] and that is the steep grade of the
[12:59] eroding bank that we want to stabilize.
[13:04] Um
[13:06] so,
[13:08] so,
[13:10] So, basically that's kind of what we're
[13:12] proposing is a sill and fill behind it
[13:14] up against the bank.
[13:17] Um
[13:19] and at one point we were proposing
[13:21] additional planting and some sand
[13:24] further
[13:25] um south, but now we're not doing that
[13:27] further downstream of
[13:30] the rock sill.
[13:35] » So, you hoping to proceed soon?
[13:38] » Um, potentially construction could get
[13:41] started as early as November. It also
[13:44] might get pushed into the spring, but
[13:47] » And it's going to be hard to put top
[13:49] soil and seed out there in November to
[13:51] get it to grow, but if you proceeded
[13:53] now, you'd have a chance.
[13:58] » It's not going to happen now. It'll be
[13:59] It'll be spring.
[14:01] » Yeah.
[14:02] In which case then, yeah, we might wait
[14:04] to do it.
[14:06] Do the construction at the end of the
[14:08] winter [clears throat] and then
[14:11] we'll be um,
[14:12] both planting plugs and seeding the
[14:15] area.
[14:18] » So, what are the uh, changes on the map
[14:20] here? I'm still a little confused. Is it
[14:22] just the area in red, or is it also the
[14:24] blue and the
[14:26] black stripes?
[14:28] » So, the area in red is not moving
[14:31] forward.
[14:32] Um,
[14:35] is that that's everything. Is there
[14:37] another document that they might have?
[14:40] » They've been sent another document that
[14:41] I saw this sheet
[14:42] that I
[14:45] » Can he see if there's yet another
[14:47] document otherwise or is there a way to
[14:50] like zoom in?
[14:52] » Well, look it looks like this one was
[14:54] revised August 2026. Is that the latest
[14:57] version?
[14:57] » There's just a clean
[15:00] a clean document that
[15:01] » Okay. Yeah, that threw me off when I
[15:02] looked at it.
[15:08] » Um,
[15:15] well, yeah, here I have
[15:22] is
[15:24] » Yeah.
[15:43] » So you're doing 108 ft fill.
[15:46] Okay, then you're putting uh
[15:49] » [laughter]
[15:54] » So you're running
[15:55] You're running riprap behind the riprap
[15:58] first, right?
[15:59] Is that way it's working?
[16:15] So you're doing your riprap first.
[16:17] Right? That's what you're showing here.
[16:19] Then you're doing
[16:21] Of course you got your fiber cloth, then
[16:22] the cloth comes up, covers the riprap,
[16:24] goes back, and you you're
[16:26] doing your 4 in of topsoil
[16:28] on top of sand.
[16:32] It's right in there.
[16:33] The right above that red.
[16:35] Lower it.
[16:39] And planting.
[16:43] Vegetation.
[16:47] Are we stable?
[17:00] Okay.
[17:06] Okay, and a grade.
[17:10] Yeah.
[17:12] Oh,
[17:17] Yeah, Yeah,
[17:18] 3 ft.
[17:19] » Yeah, 3 to 1
[17:20] » Yeah.
[17:21] » 3 ft up, 1 ft up, 1 ft up.
[17:25] » Mhm.
[17:42] » Um there is um
[17:45] a little bit of vegetation.
[17:50] Um yeah.
[17:51] » And a lot of it's right there.
[17:57] » Get rid of it now.
[18:15] » No,
[18:16] we are planting it.
[18:37] » You looking to get a swamp milkweed?
[18:41] » Regular milkweed?
[18:44] Oh, like an open field.
[18:46] » It's pretty dry.
[18:47] » It's not really
[19:01] Yeah.
[19:02] » [laughter]
[19:10] » I just moved one of my
[19:13] monarch caterpillars.
[19:18] And mine
[19:19] » Yeah, they like to slide. They like to
[19:21] do that. I don't know why they I don't
[19:23] know why they do that. Maybe cuz
[19:33] » Uh no, yeah.
[19:35] » Do you have any more questions?
[19:37] » I think
[19:39] » Uh I got
[19:39] » I need you.
[19:43] » Pretty nice of
[19:47] » Okay, I guess we
[20:07] » A motion to approve 20251
[20:11] 253.
[20:12] » Motion to approve.
[20:14] » Second.
[20:14] » Second.
[20:16] » All in favor?
[20:17] » I.
[20:18] » I.
[20:19] » Removed.
[20:22] » Thank you.
[20:35] » Any new business?
[20:41] » I don't believe we have any aside from
[20:43] the two uh permit applications.
[20:49] » And I believe all all of our old
[20:51] business has been discussed.
[20:53] » I was I was curious if anybody uh had a
[20:56] chance to look at the Farley valve
[21:00] uh project that uh we approved last
[21:02] year. I I didn't
[21:05] I didn't see it. I can't remember if it
[21:07] was on somebody's property or not,
[21:08] though, which makes it a little more
[21:10] hard to
[21:11] visit it.
[21:14] You know how sometimes we like to follow
[21:15] up on the projects to see
[21:18] how they look.
[21:20] » Uh
[21:23] Mr. Crane and I initially uh visited
[21:26] Fall to Veil.
[21:28] We know what's
[21:30] uh they're supposed to be doing. There
[21:31] is some activity on the property at this
[21:33] time.
[21:34] Uh but as far as a uh
[21:37] uh
[21:39] wall fish concerned, I I couldn't I
[21:42] couldn't speak to that.
[21:44] » I haven't been down there since we were
[21:45] there. It looks like they're filling in
[21:47] the
[21:49] the the hole there with
[21:50] » Yes.
[21:54] And
[21:56] and also I lacked the opportunity to go
[21:58] back out on the Potomac again where they
[21:59] were were
[22:01] removing the
[22:03] the the the tombstones from the
[22:05] riverbank.
[22:07] » Yes, I'd like to go there, too.
[22:09] » So,
[22:10] uh
[22:11] » Field trip.
[22:13] » If we could I could ask the county
[22:17] to
[22:18] » [groaning]
[22:20] » Look into having us visit those those
[22:23] two sites.
[22:24] » Yes, sir. I will reach out to the
[22:26] landowners and see if we can coordinate
[22:27] something.
[22:29] » Okay.
[22:30] » That way one can go with you and one can
[22:32] go with me to another time cuz we've
[22:33] already been there once.
[22:35] » Yes.
[22:38] » Yes, sir.
[22:43] » There's a dock and then it looks like
[22:46] vegetation planning.
[22:50] I think that's the Rappahannock there.
[22:51] » Yes, it is. Yes.
[22:59] » They're filling in the gravel pit pretty
[23:01] quickly.
[23:02] I'm not sure what all they're putting in
[23:04] there, but they're putting something in
[23:05] it.
[23:07] » They said they were going to use uh
[23:10] » Dredge material
[23:12] » Dredged
[23:13] uh river material.
[23:15] » Yeah.
[23:15] » Uh material that they
[23:17] uh
[23:19] and
[23:20] uh
[23:24] the phrase that they use, I can't
[23:27] remember, but what it is is just ground
[23:30] up stumps and dirt
[23:33] that they were dumping there.
[23:35] So, the actual uh
[23:39] uh visual effects of what they are doing
[23:43] has been blinded by the berm that they
[23:46] built.
[23:48] » Yeah, but we didn't really we were down
[23:50] on the water.
[23:51] » We were on the water.
[23:52] » Yeah. Yeah.
[23:52] » Right. The part that we had to
[23:55] investigate was
[23:57] the part on the water that
[23:59] » Part where it doesn't have anything to
[24:00] do with us.
[24:01] » Allowed they
[24:02] » Unfortunately.
[24:03] » They said
[24:03] » You got to go buy it.
[24:05] » Allowed the barges to come in
[24:07] with that silt.
[24:10] That's That's this area here that you
[24:12] That's
[24:12] » A lot of dump trucks going in there
[24:14] every day.
[24:15] » What for? In order for us to get there,
[24:17] we had to we had to This This part was a
[24:20] route that we came.
[24:21] It started back over here somewhere.
[24:24] And we
[24:24] » Looks like now you can go in that
[24:26] that gate, too, I think it is.
[24:28] The one near Rickenbacker.
[24:30] » Right. Now we can.
[24:32] » Yeah.
[24:35] » I would like to bring up one note back
[24:37] on the uh Navy projects real quick
[24:40] before
[24:41] I guess we leave, is there any
[24:45] suggestion from the Wetland Board on
[24:47] potential mitigation requirements due to
[24:49] the uh wetland impacts there or is the
[24:52] approval approval without mitigation
[24:55] required? Just making that note
[24:58] on that specific application.
[25:03] » I believe the other project there was no
[25:04] litigation involved, was it?
[25:06] » No.
[25:07] » I don't think so.
[25:10] » I'd say no cuz they're not they're not
[25:12] digging or anything. They're just
[25:14] they're [clears throat] just adding soil
[25:15] to to build it up a little bit.
[25:20] » Just with there being wetland impacts, I
[25:22] I just wanted to confirm
[25:24] the board's decision on that.
[25:29] » The benefits of this project are going
[25:31] to help the swamp area
[25:33] in the end.
[25:35] » On a base, yeah.
[25:39] » So you like I said, I just wanted to
[25:40] clarify.
[25:41] » It's a fishing boat.
[25:42] » I won't be up there.
[25:53] » Anything else? I hear a motion to
[25:54] adjourn.
[25:55] » So moved.
[25:56] » Second.
[25:58] » All in favor?
[25:59] » Aye.
[26:00] » Aye.
[26:04] » Thanks everyone for attending.
[26:06] » 7:00.