1 00:01:10,220 --> 00:01:14,240 All right. 2 00:01:16,820 --> 00:01:18,840 You could all join me in a moment of silence. 3 00:01:29,750 --> 00:01:30,310 Thank you. 4 00:01:32,880 --> 00:01:41,540 All right item number six, review and adoption of the meeting agenda. As everyone had an opportunity to review. 5 00:01:47,960 --> 00:01:58,880 Motion has been made, second, motion has been made properly, second, any further discussion. Will we get a vote please? 6 00:01:59,800 --> 00:02:06,980 Mr. Williams. Mr. Catwood. Mr. Townsend. Chair Cello. 7 00:02:07,380 --> 00:02:07,520 Aye. 8 00:02:09,540 --> 00:02:13,820 Item number seven on the agenda. Approval of the minutes from the August 5th, 9 00:02:13,820 --> 00:02:20,320 2026 Planning Commission regular meaning. Have everyone had an opportunity to review the minutes? 10 00:02:20,720 --> 00:02:22,680 Well, there are any questions, concerns? 11 00:02:26,510 --> 00:02:27,670 I will entertain a motion. 12 00:02:27,670 --> 00:02:30,330 I will make a motion that we accept that is written. 13 00:02:32,450 --> 00:02:36,910 The motion has been made, the motion has been made, and it is the vote, but at least. 14 00:02:37,350 --> 00:02:37,790 It is Williams. 15 00:02:38,510 --> 00:02:38,550 No. 16 00:02:39,430 --> 00:02:40,270 It is Caledon. 17 00:02:42,360 --> 00:02:43,520 Mr. Caledon. 18 00:02:44,600 --> 00:02:45,520 Chair Caledon. 19 00:02:45,960 --> 00:02:48,040 All right. 20 00:02:48,320 --> 00:02:55,020 Next on the agenda, item number 8A, consideration of the revised planning and zoning fee schedule. 21 00:02:55,020 --> 00:02:59,840 table from the August meeting who will be presenting. 22 00:03:01,260 --> 00:03:02,320 That one. 23 00:03:49,420 --> 00:03:54,140 The first item on our agenda tonight for public hearing is the 24 00:03:54,720 --> 00:03:57,460 consideration of the robust planning and zoning fee schedule 25 00:03:57,460 --> 00:04:00,060 that was tabled from all this. 26 00:04:02,560 --> 00:04:07,920 As we all know, the meeting last month, the planning commission 27 00:04:07,920 --> 00:04:17,780 then suggested staff updated definitions to explain the changes in the relating terms 28 00:04:17,780 --> 00:04:20,040 to the fees and what was changing. 29 00:04:22,160 --> 00:04:24,320 I've listed out the proposed definitions. 30 00:04:24,740 --> 00:04:26,400 I can review them if you would like. 31 00:04:27,040 --> 00:04:33,520 Some of these are new terms to the fee schedule, and some of these are amended terms to the 32 00:04:33,520 --> 00:04:36,000 current fees. For 33 00:04:40,420 --> 00:04:45,800 instance, the first one, the conditional use permit amendment, that is 34 00:04:45,800 --> 00:04:54,400 a new fee to the fee schedule. With that, we would add the definition as a modification 35 00:04:54,400 --> 00:04:59,900 to an approved conditional use permit, including any change to the approved use cycling development 36 00:04:59,900 --> 00:05:05,900 standards, operational conditions, hours of operation, intensity of use, or other permit 37 00:05:06,620 --> 00:05:11,680 The amendment shall be reviewed and approved using the same procedures and criteria applicable 38 00:05:11,680 --> 00:05:16,140 to the original conditional use permit unless the zoning administrator determines that 39 00:05:16,140 --> 00:05:22,820 the proposed change is minor and does not materially alter the approved use or its impact. 40 00:05:25,600 --> 00:05:28,600 And conditional use for home occupation type 2. 41 00:05:28,600 --> 00:05:37,820 We have a lot of home occupation permits come in that are allowed by right in the ACR-R and R1. 42 00:05:38,980 --> 00:05:43,060 The condition or the type 2 home occupations are a little more intense. 43 00:05:43,060 --> 00:05:47,820 They allow more employees, more customers, whatever it may be. 44 00:05:48,440 --> 00:05:55,480 And I think some of those are allowed only by conditional use in those things in districts. 45 00:05:55,480 --> 00:06:08,380 So we have a use matrix that tells things that we can do in our homes as a home occupation and then if we have further needs we can come and make application to have a modification to that. 46 00:06:08,640 --> 00:06:08,760 Yeah. 47 00:06:09,240 --> 00:06:09,800 Yep. 48 00:06:10,160 --> 00:06:11,540 You see an increase in them. 49 00:06:13,800 --> 00:06:21,900 Not so much for the type two, although there have been a couple that I know of. 50 00:06:21,900 --> 00:06:25,480 that would be probably be interested in this. 51 00:06:26,140 --> 00:06:28,620 Yeah, this particular conditional use 52 00:06:28,620 --> 00:06:30,000 for the home occupation. 53 00:06:30,940 --> 00:06:32,000 And then that would give us, 54 00:06:32,160 --> 00:06:35,900 you know, or give the board the ability 55 00:06:35,900 --> 00:06:39,180 to put conditions on their use. 56 00:06:39,840 --> 00:06:41,920 So we're talking about people that want to work from home 57 00:06:41,920 --> 00:06:45,380 like an account or someone pretty much 58 00:06:45,380 --> 00:06:47,460 just working out of their home running a business. 59 00:06:47,720 --> 00:06:47,820 Right. 60 00:06:48,580 --> 00:06:50,060 Not a lot of traffic, 61 00:06:50,060 --> 00:07:03,360 not people commenting. And I type one home occupation, it allows up to five customers. I believe daily. So anything over that would would trigger the type two and a conditional use permit. 62 00:07:03,880 --> 00:07:06,040 That's that's what I wanted to get to. Perfect. 63 00:07:06,860 --> 00:07:16,760 All right. The rest, like I said, you know, they're, they're most of them are brand new as they were added to the fee schedule subdivision construction plan amendment. 64 00:07:18,340 --> 00:07:21,100 the bond reduction or release with inspection, 65 00:07:22,600 --> 00:07:25,460 playing unit development with the master plan amendment. 66 00:07:28,560 --> 00:07:30,580 Preliminary plan was an old fee, 67 00:07:30,900 --> 00:07:34,860 but we didn't necessarily define it in the ordinance now. 68 00:07:42,890 --> 00:07:44,610 The only administrative modification 69 00:07:44,610 --> 00:07:47,830 would be a limited adjustment to dimensional design 70 00:07:47,830 --> 00:07:51,710 and develops the other ordinance that is all that has to be approved. 71 00:07:51,710 --> 00:07:57,510 administratively by does any administrator or other designated administrative official 72 00:07:57,510 --> 00:08:04,850 without a public hearing when the adjustment satisfies the specific objective standard established 73 00:08:04,850 --> 00:08:12,410 and established in the official without a public in the ordinance, excuse me, and administrative 74 00:08:12,410 --> 00:08:18,610 modification is intended to allow minor flexibility and applying ordinance standards where the modification 75 00:08:18,610 --> 00:08:23,430 does not materially alter the purpose, character, or intent of the applicable 76 00:08:23,430 --> 00:08:32,770 to any regulations. That was one of the land disturbance. 77 00:08:32,970 --> 00:08:38,550 Is that something that just hasn't been completed, that it's an annual land disturbance? 78 00:08:41,150 --> 00:08:44,970 Well, before, let's see, our old annual 79 00:08:44,970 --> 00:08:49,050 end disturbance was renewal fee. 80 00:08:52,460 --> 00:08:54,480 It's good for 12 months, all the end disturbance. 81 00:08:54,900 --> 00:08:56,540 If it goes over, we can go. 82 00:08:56,680 --> 00:08:56,820 Yeah. 83 00:08:56,980 --> 00:08:57,220 Yeah. 84 00:08:57,480 --> 00:09:00,600 So that would just be. 85 00:09:01,080 --> 00:09:03,900 It's basically just renewing the land disturbance for a minute. 86 00:09:04,320 --> 00:09:07,220 Instead of having a recent mit within plat and, you know, 87 00:09:07,320 --> 00:09:08,580 limits of disturbance and all that. 88 00:09:08,580 --> 00:09:17,060 It would just renew the current B. And then I specified, I guess in the annual land 89 00:09:17,060 --> 00:09:24,720 disturbance permit renewal, but also we could look at adding more to the land disturbance 90 00:09:24,720 --> 00:09:35,240 permit itself, adding the 2,500 square feet or more and less than one acre per lot in preparation 91 00:09:35,240 --> 00:09:38,140 for the support of development or redevelopment. 92 00:09:43,660 --> 00:09:47,920 There's re-inspection after the fact fee, working without a permit, 93 00:09:50,610 --> 00:09:55,850 and that's page is the proposed fee schedule. 94 00:09:59,350 --> 00:10:00,990 The backup just for a second. 95 00:10:01,110 --> 00:10:03,930 Pain disturbance re-inspection after the fact. 96 00:10:04,510 --> 00:10:07,090 So somebody has a land disturbance permit. 97 00:10:08,350 --> 00:10:10,350 What is after the fact? 98 00:10:12,030 --> 00:10:28,810 So if air inspector goes out and has to, I guess, not pass, or something is not adequately addressed, and she makes a suggestion and then has to go back out to reinspects. 99 00:10:28,810 --> 00:10:32,970 That would be where that reinspection fee comes out comes into play. 100 00:10:32,970 --> 00:10:52,950 Yeah, that makes sense. Yeah, that's her calls to first visit. Pretty much. And there's there's a couple of instances where air inspectors had to go out to places several times and she's not charging any amount for it. So right now it's all an air calls. 101 00:10:56,710 --> 00:11:00,490 So, the first inspection is figured in the first. 102 00:11:00,850 --> 00:11:01,270 Absolutely. 103 00:11:01,750 --> 00:11:07,530 I mean, you have to get multiple inspections and you didn't have to feed, and you didn't. 104 00:11:08,090 --> 00:11:08,210 Right. 105 00:11:08,990 --> 00:11:09,090 Right. 106 00:11:11,450 --> 00:11:12,430 Excuse me, one second. 107 00:11:12,570 --> 00:11:13,930 I'm a little uncharted territory. 108 00:11:14,010 --> 00:11:15,650 Mr. Kat, it can probably help me. 109 00:11:16,430 --> 00:11:18,150 Mr. Hendrick said he thought it was next week. 110 00:11:18,150 --> 00:11:19,990 He would like to join the lesson now. 111 00:11:19,990 --> 00:11:27,790 And he joined us that just be as a citizen as a citizen. 112 00:11:33,030 --> 00:11:35,630 Can we go back in the blue to electronic? 113 00:11:37,390 --> 00:11:41,730 No, as we've already approved the need and agenda can't alter it. 114 00:11:42,110 --> 00:11:46,510 So he can watch us be as we just can't participate because no electronic 115 00:11:46,510 --> 00:11:47,190 I'm not going to participate. 116 00:11:47,490 --> 00:11:48,250 We already have a phone. 117 00:11:48,610 --> 00:11:48,790 Yeah. 118 00:11:49,170 --> 00:11:50,330 Sorry for the no option. 119 00:11:50,690 --> 00:11:51,050 That's okay. 120 00:11:51,430 --> 00:11:51,630 No. 121 00:11:51,970 --> 00:11:52,930 Well, I didn't know he's okay. 122 00:11:53,330 --> 00:11:53,450 Yeah. 123 00:11:57,630 --> 00:11:58,090 Yeah. 124 00:11:58,270 --> 00:11:59,690 That would trigger the re-inspection fee. 125 00:12:06,020 --> 00:12:07,280 Working without a permit. 126 00:12:07,580 --> 00:12:10,840 That's explained in the definitions as well. 127 00:12:11,080 --> 00:12:16,340 And then that would be double the permit fee as a minimum. 128 00:12:16,680 --> 00:12:21,220 With up to, I think we discussed like $2,500 at this. 129 00:12:21,220 --> 00:12:22,520 If you 130 00:12:30,300 --> 00:12:37,000 have any other questions, other staff recommends planning commissions in the 131 00:12:37,000 --> 00:12:37,280 zoning. 132 00:12:37,900 --> 00:12:42,540 I have subdivision ordinance amendments to chapter 86, section 5, Article 2 definitions 133 00:12:42,540 --> 00:12:47,620 and the revised plan and zoning be scheduled to the Board of Supervisors with the recommendation 134 00:12:47,620 --> 00:12:49,420 of approval as presented. 135 00:12:51,600 --> 00:12:52,320 Yes, sir. 136 00:12:52,500 --> 00:12:52,920 Mr. Williams. 137 00:12:53,280 --> 00:12:57,140 If you have a public hand on this, we all would you like to wait till we have that and then 138 00:12:57,140 --> 00:12:59,160 Yes, and you're good. 139 00:13:01,240 --> 00:13:02,640 All right. 140 00:13:02,700 --> 00:13:04,080 Do we have anyone signed up? 141 00:13:11,080 --> 00:13:14,260 I'm going to 142 00:13:18,900 --> 00:13:20,300 open the public hand this time. 143 00:13:20,420 --> 00:13:21,880 I'll close the public hand. 144 00:13:23,140 --> 00:13:25,020 And fellow commissioners. 145 00:13:27,770 --> 00:13:29,410 Well, we asked the definitions. 146 00:13:29,830 --> 00:13:35,050 I think I like to look very clarified that I 147 00:13:37,700 --> 00:13:38,960 got a question on this. 148 00:13:38,960 --> 00:13:40,880 It's going unit development, 149 00:13:43,440 --> 00:13:46,440 how many of those do we have going on at the county at the 150 00:13:46,440 --> 00:13:46,720 moment? 151 00:13:48,100 --> 00:13:48,620 One. 152 00:13:48,800 --> 00:13:49,040 One. 153 00:13:49,680 --> 00:13:52,440 The only one that I'm aware of. 154 00:13:54,570 --> 00:14:00,350 And if you remember Mr. Williams, we had two very large chunks of land that were slated 155 00:14:00,350 --> 00:14:07,690 to BPUDs, and we voted probably a year or so ago to change those around. 156 00:14:07,690 --> 00:14:17,230 I look, I'll remember some of the, I'll just, just curious if any of us in just for the, for the public, we have the orchards. 157 00:14:17,490 --> 00:14:25,830 But currently we do not have another piece of property. I don't believe in the county that someone could come in and make application for a PUD. 158 00:14:26,290 --> 00:14:31,030 We did have two very large parcels in close proximity to the orchards. 159 00:14:31,030 --> 00:14:42,890 that the way our ordinance was written, someone could have purchased them and come in here and asked to do a PUD and we would have had a hard time not allowing them. 160 00:14:43,630 --> 00:14:55,670 Which could have potentially been another 600 to a thousand houses that we diligently worked to try to put some control measures in place. 161 00:14:56,730 --> 00:14:57,590 Come on. 162 00:15:00,270 --> 00:15:09,650 I mean, with the HUD master plan amendment, I believe is what we were calling, what we defined, what I defined. 163 00:15:13,580 --> 00:15:24,450 I don't, I don't first see that being a big stand out item, but it's defined. 164 00:15:26,940 --> 00:15:30,540 I just make sure nothing is swept by that I. 165 00:15:34,890 --> 00:15:39,750 Questions concerned? No. I mean, I move that the 166 00:16:12,240 --> 00:16:13,500 Any more saying none? 167 00:16:14,240 --> 00:16:15,120 Will we get rid of this? 168 00:16:15,320 --> 00:16:15,820 Mr. Calis. 169 00:16:16,260 --> 00:16:16,660 Aye. 170 00:16:18,970 --> 00:16:19,850 Mr. Williams. 171 00:16:20,470 --> 00:16:20,890 Uh-huh. 172 00:16:21,250 --> 00:16:22,150 Mr. Counselor. 173 00:16:22,150 --> 00:16:22,550 Uh-huh. 174 00:16:22,970 --> 00:16:23,630 Mr. Calis. 175 00:16:24,070 --> 00:16:24,410 Aye. 176 00:16:24,850 --> 00:16:25,490 OSHA carries. 177 00:16:26,150 --> 00:16:26,450 Okay. 178 00:16:27,350 --> 00:16:29,370 Next item number 8B. 179 00:16:29,690 --> 00:16:32,950 Consideration of the Chesapeake Bay Act resiliency amendments. 180 00:16:33,110 --> 00:16:34,870 Table from August as well. 181 00:16:35,590 --> 00:16:37,470 Get married presenting this time. 182 00:16:38,130 --> 00:16:41,890 So the Chesapeake Bay Preservation Area ordinance was hailed in August. 183 00:16:41,890 --> 00:16:55,330 We incorporated feedback that we received from the planning commission that clarified basically what triggers a minor water quality assessment, a major water quality assessment and an RPA modification permit. 184 00:16:56,010 --> 00:17:06,670 More specifically, a minor water quality assessment would be needed when activity inside the RPA is above 400 square feet below 2500 square feet. 185 00:17:06,670 --> 00:17:27,550 A major would be triggered when activity inside the RPA is the 2500 square feet, and in instances where land disturbance within the RPA is under 400 square feet, then you could apply for RPA modification permit in lieu of water quality assessment. 186 00:17:27,550 --> 00:17:34,630 And the ordinance was submitted to DEQ for review on August 19th, but we haven't received any comments back. 187 00:17:34,970 --> 00:17:39,730 So staff recommends the planning commission, send the Chesapeake Bay Act, 188 00:17:40,010 --> 00:17:44,350 presiding amendments forward to the Board of Supervisors with a recommendation of a fruitful. 189 00:17:45,930 --> 00:17:48,310 And I'm happy to answer any questions you might have. 190 00:17:54,810 --> 00:18:00,150 But we've been over this a lot, and I think that it addressed the issues that we've been 191 00:18:00,150 --> 00:18:01,530 trying to get forward. 192 00:18:01,750 --> 00:18:07,650 And today we did say that he has a review about what he was going to start with with the 193 00:18:07,650 --> 00:18:07,870 event. 194 00:18:08,790 --> 00:18:12,710 And I think his major one was about minor versus major. 195 00:18:13,110 --> 00:18:13,190 Yes. 196 00:18:13,350 --> 00:18:15,790 That explains that under 400 you. 197 00:18:15,790 --> 00:18:22,110 Yeah. It's optional. Are you sure? No, you would need the RPA modification permit. 198 00:18:22,270 --> 00:18:26,750 You do need it. Yes, you just wouldn't need a minor or a major water quality impact. 199 00:18:27,190 --> 00:18:30,570 So anything you're doing in the RPA, you have to have some cabinet. 200 00:18:30,950 --> 00:18:36,270 There's plenty of things. Yes, but within the 40 square footers, so you do not go down, 201 00:18:36,390 --> 00:18:40,350 take a big tree and say, well, it was down 4 by 10 area. That was within my rites. 202 00:18:40,390 --> 00:18:42,690 Right. Just not 4 out of 40 by 10. 203 00:18:42,690 --> 00:18:50,170 But you can ask for a modification if you can prove that the tree is diseased or dangerous 204 00:18:50,170 --> 00:18:54,930 or the falling of the tree, the root ball will take the bank out or something like that. 205 00:18:57,110 --> 00:19:00,450 I mean, there's recommendations in the county back to what to do. 206 00:19:03,690 --> 00:19:08,730 Yeah, to Mr. Williams' question, you basically have to get permission to do whatever you 207 00:19:08,730 --> 00:19:12,370 do in the RPA, it's just different levels. 208 00:19:12,370 --> 00:19:13,470 Let's make 209 00:19:18,180 --> 00:19:19,640 that clear outside of that. 210 00:19:20,400 --> 00:19:21,820 It's 20,000. 211 00:19:22,380 --> 00:19:22,980 Yeah, 212 00:19:25,000 --> 00:19:28,540 the land disturbance outside of the RPA. 213 00:19:28,540 --> 00:19:33,940 You can clear 2500 square feet or less without a land disturbance permanent when you go 214 00:19:33,940 --> 00:19:36,720 above the 2500 that triggers the land disturbance. 215 00:19:40,700 --> 00:19:42,560 We want to open it up to the public hand. 216 00:19:43,480 --> 00:19:43,780 Right? 217 00:19:44,080 --> 00:19:47,660 At this time, I will open up the public here properly. 218 00:19:47,660 --> 00:19:51,560 do we have anyone signed up to speak? Not for this public hearing. 219 00:19:53,320 --> 00:19:55,960 I'm not saying none. I will close the public hearing. 220 00:19:57,540 --> 00:20:01,160 I'll open it back up to fellow commissioners for any discussion or questions. 221 00:20:08,420 --> 00:20:11,800 You said you'd send it to DEQ and didn't get a comment back. 222 00:20:12,340 --> 00:20:13,960 Not yet. They're still working on it. 223 00:20:14,200 --> 00:20:16,840 I just didn't want you to leave thinking that there were no comments. 224 00:20:17,320 --> 00:20:21,180 They do intend to send something back. We just haven't gotten it yet. 225 00:20:22,580 --> 00:20:28,580 Do we need to wait for that comment for we send it to the board or send the comment they send to the board? 226 00:20:29,540 --> 00:20:31,500 As should we do that to make sure we cover? 227 00:20:32,900 --> 00:20:35,020 I would like to say it's sent on to the board. 228 00:20:35,160 --> 00:20:36,840 I would check with the comments. 229 00:20:37,020 --> 00:20:42,160 If the comments are not in by time the board hears if they want to send it back or a table that they can. 230 00:20:42,300 --> 00:20:46,340 If it's something like most of all, we've been over this and over this. 231 00:20:50,900 --> 00:20:52,660 Just correct me from wrong. 232 00:20:53,260 --> 00:21:03,520 We implemented the bare minimum was required and the proposed changes and the template ordinance 233 00:21:03,520 --> 00:21:03,980 correct. 234 00:21:04,360 --> 00:21:05,480 For my understanding, yes. 235 00:21:06,700 --> 00:21:06,940 Okay. 236 00:21:07,260 --> 00:21:12,440 And we send it to DEQ to the get a cursor review to see if they agree or disagree with what 237 00:21:12,440 --> 00:21:13,700 our language is in our ordinance. 238 00:21:14,020 --> 00:21:14,500 That's correct. 239 00:21:14,500 --> 00:21:15,280 I 240 00:21:17,880 --> 00:21:24,900 mean, I'll say that we can send it, I think my direction from the board level is without 241 00:21:24,900 --> 00:21:25,820 the DEQ comments. 242 00:21:26,080 --> 00:21:29,240 We won't take action on it until we get that back because we have no point in doing 243 00:21:29,240 --> 00:21:31,660 that and having to go back and forth with a fight in DEQ. 244 00:21:32,320 --> 00:21:34,980 So should we send it all in and report that on? 245 00:21:36,680 --> 00:21:43,140 I mean, I'd say that probably what all eventually happens, if it comes up to the board level 246 00:21:43,140 --> 00:21:45,740 and those DECU comments are still outstanding. 247 00:21:45,940 --> 00:21:48,160 The board will just kick it back to you yet or to us. 248 00:21:48,720 --> 00:21:52,100 So you change it now, so come in. 249 00:21:52,320 --> 00:21:53,800 I mean, it's saying to send it, 250 00:21:53,900 --> 00:21:55,040 when do we spot comes in? 251 00:21:56,100 --> 00:21:57,480 How do you want to do it? 252 00:21:57,520 --> 00:21:59,280 I mean, I think that's what this really is. 253 00:21:59,340 --> 00:22:00,700 There's no reason to table. 254 00:22:00,780 --> 00:22:01,980 There's nothing left to work on. 255 00:22:02,140 --> 00:22:03,580 I said, if we don't, we're done. 256 00:22:03,920 --> 00:22:05,260 No, and if you guys remember, 257 00:22:05,500 --> 00:22:07,960 we got DECU's original draft 258 00:22:07,960 --> 00:22:11,820 of what their minimums were and what they wanted to see 259 00:22:11,820 --> 00:22:18,380 When it first got presented to us, it had that plus some additional language in there that we 260 00:22:18,380 --> 00:22:23,160 asked the question, where did all this additional language come from? We didn't ask for this. 261 00:22:24,060 --> 00:22:32,300 So that's when we kicked it back and got the redacted version, I guess, of what is DEQ's requirements? 262 00:22:32,540 --> 00:22:38,060 What are they requiring that we do? And Mr. Hendrick worked on that draft to make sure we were checking 263 00:22:38,060 --> 00:22:44,720 all the boxes that we will require to do. So I think at this point, it's really, it's just 264 00:22:44,720 --> 00:22:50,540 getting there. Their comments should only be, yes, you did what we originally asked you to do. 265 00:22:52,100 --> 00:22:58,940 Yeah, that's what it should be, but the knowing, right, that's, yeah, that's, that's just my thing, 266 00:22:59,000 --> 00:23:04,500 they throw in something there that you missed or as ambiguous language. I think that the lady that 267 00:23:04,500 --> 00:23:10,840 would send it to acting if you did say that if we needed to make amendments down the road, 268 00:23:11,060 --> 00:23:14,960 that they would probably have more to add to it anyway. 269 00:23:17,200 --> 00:23:22,100 I would be in favor of moving it on and hope that we get that before the board meeting. 270 00:23:22,760 --> 00:23:26,260 Yeah. I don't disagree with that. The other thing is I mean Mr. 271 00:23:26,540 --> 00:23:33,180 Mr. Smith, there's nothing that says that has to go on our next agenda. We can direct it to our agenda 272 00:23:33,180 --> 00:23:47,400 of pending that coming in. So we set our agenda. It's not really a big deal. That'll just be my recommendation to my fellow board members to not take action on something that DEG might force us to do something about them. We're back at the drawing board again and we're just going to say it. 273 00:23:47,400 --> 00:23:47,620 Correct. 274 00:23:49,440 --> 00:23:56,160 So I say, I mean, send it up to my level. There's nothing else for you guys to work on. If someone comes out that we've got to kick it back, it comes back. 275 00:23:56,160 --> 00:23:57,040 That's just the way it is. 276 00:23:57,260 --> 00:23:57,840 I think we would have it. 277 00:23:59,540 --> 00:24:00,180 Brack, boss. 278 00:24:00,740 --> 00:24:01,100 Yeah. 279 00:24:01,340 --> 00:24:04,040 We know we have some outstanding language in the states, which is way for that. 280 00:24:04,280 --> 00:24:08,540 And see if it's something we care about or something that we need to take action in. 281 00:24:08,980 --> 00:24:10,600 There's no telling them what they'll come back with. 282 00:24:10,900 --> 00:24:13,480 But if it's material, it's material, but it's not. 283 00:24:13,700 --> 00:24:14,380 It's not. 284 00:24:14,540 --> 00:24:15,180 Thanks for the patient. 285 00:24:22,900 --> 00:24:23,440 Do you want a motion? 286 00:24:30,280 --> 00:24:30,640 Yeah. 287 00:24:38,660 --> 00:24:43,480 We have a motion to forward to the board superpowers. 288 00:24:43,480 --> 00:24:47,700 proposed a minute to Chispeak Bay Preservation Act ordinance 289 00:24:51,990 --> 00:25:00,410 9BAC2583011155 for approval. 290 00:25:01,830 --> 00:25:08,550 Motion has been made, motion has been made probably a second, any further discussion? 291 00:25:09,590 --> 00:25:15,130 I didn't see nothing but we were pending waiting on, they just deal with that when it 292 00:25:15,130 --> 00:25:16,850 That's not from Marlowe. 293 00:25:17,190 --> 00:25:17,470 Okay. 294 00:25:17,530 --> 00:25:18,710 That's just a schedule and then. 295 00:25:20,190 --> 00:25:21,230 Sounds good to me. 296 00:25:21,770 --> 00:25:23,090 We get a vote, please. 297 00:25:25,360 --> 00:25:26,160 Mr. Williams. 298 00:25:27,620 --> 00:25:28,760 Mr. Countwood. 299 00:25:29,720 --> 00:25:30,220 Mr. Townsend. 300 00:25:30,680 --> 00:25:30,820 Uh. 301 00:25:31,180 --> 00:25:31,660 Jerkoa. 302 00:25:32,480 --> 00:25:33,380 motion carries. 303 00:25:33,820 --> 00:25:34,160 Thank you, Mayor. 304 00:25:35,880 --> 00:25:36,700 All right. 305 00:25:37,040 --> 00:25:37,920 Item number nine. 306 00:25:38,120 --> 00:25:39,180 The citizens comment. 307 00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:39,680 Period. 308 00:25:40,300 --> 00:25:43,080 There's anyone signed up for anyone who would like to speak. 309 00:25:49,810 --> 00:25:50,330 Good 310 00:25:58,680 --> 00:26:01,400 evening, Lisa Mason, second district. 311 00:26:02,920 --> 00:26:08,780 You know, I sit here and I listen to you guys, Hemman Hall over an 8-foot square foot 312 00:26:08,780 --> 00:26:11,500 ADU and 1,000 square foot ADU. 313 00:26:13,040 --> 00:26:17,720 Last night my husband drove out of our property, went up to Maryland as he usually does once 314 00:26:17,720 --> 00:26:24,360 a week and he got blasted in the face by Mr. Sneed's light that's supposed to be shining 315 00:26:24,360 --> 00:26:30,840 on his sign, and it turns out I came in today and talked to him as Ashley, and that sign 316 00:26:30,840 --> 00:26:31,860 was never inspected. 317 00:26:32,280 --> 00:26:40,960 It's shining right on our property, and because of the LED with a light sensor on it, nobody 318 00:26:40,960 --> 00:26:45,980 inspected that sign to find out, and even look at it to see if it was shining on our property 319 00:26:45,980 --> 00:26:48,260 or not, and rather it was shining the way it was supposed to. 320 00:26:48,680 --> 00:26:53,560 And I asked if the sign had even been inspected, and sure the sign had been inspected, and I said 321 00:26:53,560 --> 00:26:55,640 that anybody really look at the sign? 322 00:26:56,320 --> 00:26:58,460 No, well, yeah, it's been inspected. 323 00:26:58,840 --> 00:27:03,020 It's 25% bigger than what's allowed in the AC district. 324 00:27:03,780 --> 00:27:06,020 So nobody really looked at the sign. 325 00:27:07,180 --> 00:27:11,700 Come back, we've been talking back and forth with Jason here, 326 00:27:11,980 --> 00:27:15,440 and we've been having questions about the fence, 327 00:27:15,900 --> 00:27:18,440 or the fencing that's been put in there. 328 00:27:18,500 --> 00:27:21,140 We call it a use car ride now on the other side of the fence, 329 00:27:21,140 --> 00:27:26,500 because it's just so ugly, rather it's supposed to be a seven-foot fence or an eight-foot fence, 330 00:27:26,760 --> 00:27:31,840 and it's really eight-and-half feet along most of the length of the thing. And we've got no 331 00:27:31,840 --> 00:27:38,460 resolution over any of that. We go back to the driveway that was actually put in at the beginning 332 00:27:38,460 --> 00:27:40,520 of the springtime. 333 00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:47,460 Many of you will know that the retaining wall that was put in is actually 334 00:27:47,460 --> 00:27:54,500 buckled in there, and the culvert that's supposed to go underneath and drain the wetlands 335 00:27:54,500 --> 00:27:59,600 that's in there, has pulled away from the retaining wall, and so there's actually 336 00:28:00,500 --> 00:28:07,700 leakage from the drain or the wetlands on the Mr. Wainwright's property, 337 00:28:08,180 --> 00:28:13,620 and that drain pipe is no longer really attached to the retaining wall anymore. 338 00:28:13,620 --> 00:28:20,060 And nobody seems to care, you know, Mr. Sneed is a habitual offender. 339 00:28:20,680 --> 00:28:22,780 And these are the things that we can see. 340 00:28:24,020 --> 00:28:32,760 I know Mr. Aaronson has called in about the hedges that are actually part of the county's purview 341 00:28:32,760 --> 00:28:37,840 now that it's being used as a blockage from Mr. Sneed's property. 342 00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:44,360 Mr. Sneed doesn't maintain those and they routinely fall into the easement right of 343 00:28:44,360 --> 00:28:48,680 way such that deliveries can't get through. 344 00:28:49,120 --> 00:28:51,060 They end up driving into our property. 345 00:28:51,220 --> 00:28:55,220 I've had to fix that driveway so many times, especially in the winter when it gets wet. 346 00:28:55,400 --> 00:28:56,760 They drive off and they get stuck. 347 00:28:57,140 --> 00:29:03,380 I've pulled many a delivery driver out of our lawn because they drive through. 348 00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:04,440 Thank you. 349 00:29:04,520 --> 00:29:05,140 I'd like that addressed. 350 00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:05,820 Thank you. 351 00:29:09,550 --> 00:29:11,330 All right, anyone else signed up? 352 00:29:11,550 --> 00:29:12,570 Your body has to sign up. 353 00:29:13,270 --> 00:29:16,730 All right, item 10, unfinished business. 354 00:29:34,990 --> 00:29:36,630 Finished business and 355 00:29:40,050 --> 00:29:41,530 unfinished business. 356 00:29:41,530 --> 00:29:42,750 Your fellows would like to call the bill. 357 00:29:46,910 --> 00:29:50,710 I do have one thing that actually I'd like you and Mr. Smith 358 00:29:50,710 --> 00:29:51,950 to maybe check into. 359 00:29:52,750 --> 00:29:56,950 We went back and forth a lot with the change in the setbacks 360 00:29:56,950 --> 00:29:59,970 from the center line to the e. 361 00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:07,340 Amendment, variable with easements, 30-foot, 40-foot, what have you? I don't 362 00:30:10,250 --> 00:30:11,450 know if there's anything in 363 00:30:11,450 --> 00:30:17,750 our book. I cannot find it, but I know we directly addressed it and we directed Mrs. Wolf at the time 364 00:30:17,750 --> 00:30:25,190 what we wanted, and that was that measurement would be taken whether we were using the center line 365 00:30:25,190 --> 00:30:32,210 or off the easement. It would go to the brother's most point of the half, the porch on the house. 366 00:30:32,910 --> 00:30:38,610 Not the steps because steps are subjective if you've got a three-foot foundation steps will be out three foot 367 00:30:38,610 --> 00:30:44,350 If you've got five-foot step will be so we decided that would be the kind of static point right there 368 00:30:45,290 --> 00:30:54,590 I like to just see if that is actually spelled out in there and the second part of that equation and this is all stemming 369 00:30:55,370 --> 00:31:02,790 From me personally in Essex County who also had the Berkeley group doing their ordinances at the same time 370 00:31:02,910 --> 00:31:04,190 we had hours done. 371 00:31:06,310 --> 00:31:15,870 And in that ordinance, the Berkeley group and Essex's interpretation 372 00:31:15,870 --> 00:31:34,650 of it is when a plaque was approved with a 50-foot setback or 75-foot setback, if the 373 00:31:34,650 --> 00:31:41,750 The way our interpretation is when the plat is approved whatever setbacks are approved is what you have to adhere to 374 00:31:41,750 --> 00:31:43,750 Which I personally think 375 00:31:44,370 --> 00:31:51,530 You know if you approved the plat today with 75 foot setbacks just because you change it down the road to 50 376 00:31:51,530 --> 00:32:01,290 It doesn't mean to me any new lots created from here forward should have to adhere to that right and that that's being addressed in Essex 377 00:32:01,290 --> 00:32:10,710 currently with their planning commission, but I'd just like to know if those two things are specifically addressed in our ordinance, just for clarification. 378 00:32:11,170 --> 00:32:14,350 Because we did talk about what we need to make sure we did. 379 00:32:16,750 --> 00:32:22,990 We went from the center line because of the variable with right-of-ways to then we said the edge of the right. 380 00:32:23,010 --> 00:32:31,430 We went from 75 foot from the center line to 50 foot from the edge of the right-of-way, which basically gave you the same net result. 381 00:32:31,430 --> 00:32:43,570 But just some clarification just to make sure we've got that in there because air original ordinance from the Berkeley group was very vague on that, which is what Essex is running into right now. 382 00:32:44,310 --> 00:32:48,350 But just to just to offer to clean that up a little bit if need be okay. 383 00:32:49,270 --> 00:32:51,950 And that's all I have for unfinished business. 384 00:32:51,950 --> 00:32:59,490 I guess for unfinished business, we're going to get the BMI, BMA reason and try to get 385 00:32:59,490 --> 00:33:00,890 the applicants out on the end of the week. 386 00:33:02,030 --> 00:33:03,590 I was hoping to have them done today. 387 00:33:07,210 --> 00:33:12,750 And now I'll take 60 seconds guys, I promise to speak on that, but I have seen some social 388 00:33:12,750 --> 00:33:20,910 media chatter about what we're trying to do to rezone some new businesses in the county. 389 00:33:20,910 --> 00:33:28,910 in the same token, I see social media buzz about the most recent townhouses that were 390 00:33:28,910 --> 00:33:34,870 approved and why aren't we trying to attract businesses, so kind of can't have it both 391 00:33:34,870 --> 00:33:41,390 ways. What the VMA is trying to address is to rezone some more properties that will allow 392 00:33:41,390 --> 00:33:50,870 us to be more open to potential businesses to come here to help offset the tax-based 393 00:33:50,870 --> 00:33:54,550 if you will. Just a little clarification there. 394 00:33:55,110 --> 00:33:57,730 I'm a press release as well, but it helps identify. 395 00:34:00,350 --> 00:34:01,770 I would fall to the fall. 396 00:34:03,830 --> 00:34:04,670 There's a plan. 397 00:34:08,530 --> 00:34:10,750 Anyone else any unfinished business? 398 00:34:12,570 --> 00:34:18,290 I'm not. We'll move on to item number 11 new business discussion of the amendment to the 399 00:34:18,290 --> 00:34:24,730 the 2026 Planning Commission, regular meeting schedule regarding the November Planning Commission, regular meeting date. 400 00:34:27,810 --> 00:34:29,670 Does anyone really need a fifth? 401 00:34:30,890 --> 00:34:31,790 Yeah, so vice. 402 00:34:34,770 --> 00:34:35,410 Which is us. 403 00:34:36,170 --> 00:34:36,630 I just think. 404 00:34:36,870 --> 00:34:37,190 Okay. 405 00:34:38,050 --> 00:34:43,250 But basically due to this special election, we are now amending the agenda. 406 00:34:43,970 --> 00:34:51,710 I mean, excuse me, the median schedule, again, in order for the electoral board to use the public space here at the. 407 00:34:51,710 --> 00:34:54,690 I mean, 408 00:34:57,730 --> 00:34:58,590 the mid-turn election. 409 00:35:00,030 --> 00:35:00,790 Is it? 410 00:35:01,050 --> 00:35:01,250 Yeah. 411 00:35:02,190 --> 00:35:02,450 Yeah. 412 00:35:03,010 --> 00:35:04,030 It terms is special. 413 00:35:04,330 --> 00:35:05,070 It's way different. 414 00:35:06,650 --> 00:35:06,810 What? 415 00:35:07,510 --> 00:35:07,750 So. 416 00:35:08,270 --> 00:35:08,490 Okay. 417 00:35:08,930 --> 00:35:09,290 Yeah. 418 00:35:10,130 --> 00:35:10,670 Nice. 419 00:35:10,890 --> 00:35:11,870 The mid-turn election. 420 00:35:12,370 --> 00:35:13,030 Just leave it as that. 421 00:35:13,650 --> 00:35:13,930 Okay. 422 00:35:14,630 --> 00:35:15,810 So what are our options? 423 00:35:16,150 --> 00:35:16,590 The fifth. 424 00:35:17,750 --> 00:35:18,470 The fourth. 425 00:35:18,950 --> 00:35:19,350 The fourth. 426 00:35:20,370 --> 00:35:21,250 Not just the fifth. 427 00:35:22,890 --> 00:35:26,810 Originally, we have it on November 3rd, right? 428 00:35:27,330 --> 00:35:27,490 Right. 429 00:35:29,970 --> 00:35:36,490 I would recommend moving it to Thursday, or Wednesday, excuse me, before. 430 00:35:38,810 --> 00:35:40,090 For what reason? 431 00:35:43,910 --> 00:35:45,410 Well, it's the very next day. 432 00:35:45,970 --> 00:35:50,710 And the advertising deadlines for the December planning commission agenda would be that Friday. 433 00:35:51,150 --> 00:35:55,550 So whether it be Wednesday, the 4th or Thursday, the 5th. 434 00:35:55,550 --> 00:35:59,670 just before that Friday, would we be better? 435 00:36:00,490 --> 00:36:03,110 Does JB play on Wednesday of Thursday that week? 436 00:36:03,330 --> 00:36:04,470 I don't know the answer to that. 437 00:36:04,890 --> 00:36:06,390 And you're supposed to have that one? 438 00:36:06,830 --> 00:36:08,410 Well, I don't know about November. 439 00:36:08,610 --> 00:36:09,670 I think we might be done. 440 00:36:14,700 --> 00:36:16,480 I personally have no preference. 441 00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:18,400 So I'll leave it to someone who may. 442 00:36:18,860 --> 00:36:22,540 I have another journal on Wednesday that takes place on it. 443 00:36:23,240 --> 00:36:23,960 I'm sure. 444 00:36:24,460 --> 00:36:24,940 Absolutely. 445 00:36:28,260 --> 00:36:37,680 I think Thursday is the doable date, Mike Stex, and he's fine with either one, but he said the fit first, so. 446 00:36:39,660 --> 00:36:42,360 The ban 26th. 447 00:36:43,770 --> 00:36:48,390 Make a motion that we made in November meeting to November the 5th. 448 00:36:49,770 --> 00:36:50,870 Motion has been made. 449 00:36:51,270 --> 00:36:51,570 Second. 450 00:36:52,190 --> 00:36:53,530 Motion has made probably second. 451 00:36:53,770 --> 00:36:54,710 Any further discussion? 452 00:36:56,350 --> 00:36:57,150 Can we get a vote please? 453 00:36:57,670 --> 00:36:58,130 Mr. Williams. 454 00:37:03,500 --> 00:37:11,130 I'm going to give it to Mr. Calvert. 455 00:37:11,650 --> 00:37:14,210 I'm going to give it to Mr. Calvert. 456 00:37:14,770 --> 00:37:16,030 Chair Calvert. 457 00:37:16,230 --> 00:37:18,310 All right. 458 00:37:18,690 --> 00:37:19,290 Motion carries. 459 00:37:21,550 --> 00:37:25,010 Item 12, staff, special committee reports. 460 00:37:27,360 --> 00:37:32,920 The planning, building, and zoning reports are answers to chairs. 461 00:37:32,920 --> 00:37:40,580 I did notice after I would print it, there's planning report, it's not exactly accurate. 462 00:37:40,900 --> 00:37:45,340 So I'm going to have to go in and tweak air smart-gov system a little bit to find out why. 463 00:37:47,490 --> 00:37:54,380 There should be some minor subdivision completions over there that are accurately represented. 464 00:38:18,640 --> 00:38:28,480 Thank you very much for coming out the staff and trying to get all the stuff organized 465 00:38:28,480 --> 00:38:29,180 for us. 466 00:38:30,640 --> 00:38:32,940 We're looking forward to seeing you all next month. 467 00:38:36,200 --> 00:38:38,080 Thank you for your hard work on the definitions. 468 00:38:38,480 --> 00:38:41,860 I could tell it took time, but it was easy to read. 469 00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:46,020 I appreciate that and thanks for the public. 470 00:38:50,980 --> 00:38:53,040 Definitely thank you for the public for being here tonight. 471 00:38:54,620 --> 00:38:56,020 These two ladies right here. 472 00:38:56,140 --> 00:38:57,400 I'll work with them a lot down here. 473 00:38:57,400 --> 00:38:58,320 I'm down here a lot. 474 00:38:58,460 --> 00:39:00,320 And I just, I think they're doing a great job. 475 00:39:01,600 --> 00:39:02,560 Thanks for the streamline. 476 00:39:02,840 --> 00:39:03,260 Thanks a lot. 477 00:39:03,260 --> 00:39:09,320 and smooth. I know they've got a good support group behind them with these guys. And Mr. Stamie, 478 00:39:09,380 --> 00:39:15,080 and Mr. Smith, the transparency on social media, the blogs, putting everything out there. I 479 00:39:15,080 --> 00:39:22,560 will appreciate that. I think that has answered a lot of public questions and lead us in the right 480 00:39:22,560 --> 00:39:27,940 direction as far as just having transparency and letting the public know where we're trying to go. 481 00:39:27,940 --> 00:39:39,800 So thank you guys for that and thank you ladies for all that you do and after that motion, door number 14 in motion to the journal recess. 482 00:39:40,520 --> 00:39:43,560 So move right motion has been made. 483 00:39:45,340 --> 00:39:47,420 So all in favor say. 484 00:39:48,400 --> 00:39:50,100 All right. 485 00:39:50,100 --> 00:39:53,660 That's when the drunkard chiming, the gentleman, right now. 486 00:39:55,340 --> 00:39:57,500 And you, business and...