[1:47] Good afternoon. We like to call this
[1:48] meeting to order. We appreciate all of
[1:50] you being here and being an active part
[1:53] of our government of city government.
[1:55] It's important that you're here and we once again we appreciate you being
[1:59] here. Uh we have a busy schedule
[2:01] tonight. This is the regularly scheduled
[2:03] meeting of the Kingman City Council held
[2:06] at 5:00 p.m. on Tuesday, October 6,
[2:08] 2026. I'd like to turn some time over to
[2:10] our city clerk.
[2:13] >> Mayor Watkins
[2:14] >> present.
[2:15] >> Vice Mayor Samley
[2:16] >> here. Council member Dykins
[2:18] >> here.
[2:18] >> Council member Savage
[2:19] >> here.
[2:20] >> Council member Staley
[2:21] >> present.
[2:21] >> Council member Walker is excused this
[2:23] evening. Council member Ward
[2:25] >> here.
[2:25] >> We have a quorum.
[2:26] >> Thank you, Annie. Our in we would like
[2:29] to invite those who would like to stand
[2:31] with us for our invocation which will be
[2:33] given by Pastor Michael Bell of King
[2:36] Manazarine Church after which we will
[2:37] have the pledge of allegiance.
[2:43] Good afternoon. Let us pray.
[2:47] Heavenly Father, you have been our
[2:48] hiding place and our protector
[2:50] throughout all generations.
[2:52] And we stand before you this day to ask
[2:54] for your hand of blessing upon this city
[2:56] board, its workers, and the inhabitants
[3:00] of our city.
[3:02] Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, guide
[3:04] these your servants and give them your
[3:05] wisdom today. Help them to lead with
[3:08] wisdom and strength. Be their light and
[3:10] guide today. Bless us now, Almighty God.
[3:14] In the name of our Lord and Savior Jesus
[3:17] Christ, I pray. Amen.
[3:19] >> Amen.
[3:20] >> I will lead us in pledge of allegiance.
[3:22] I pledge algiance to the flag of the
[3:25] United States of America and to the
[3:28] republic for which it stands, one nation
[3:32] under God, indivisible, with liberty and
[3:35] justice for all.
[3:37] >> All right. Thank you.
[3:41] And I also would like to just rem
[3:43] recognize those who might be watching
[3:45] our YouTube channel uh of the
[3:47] proceedings of city council. The council
[3:50] may go into executive session for legal
[3:52] counsel in accordance with ARS
[3:53] 38-431.03A3
[3:57] to discuss any agenda items. The
[3:59] following items may be discussed,
[4:00] considered, and decisions made relating
[4:02] there too. We have uh three agenda um
[4:05] awards recognitions that we would in
[4:07] proclamations that we would like to read
[4:09] tonight and share with the public. Our
[4:12] first one is uh 1a a proclamation of
[4:15] community planning month and this is
[4:17] recognizing our community our planning
[4:19] department. I'd like to read this.
[4:23] Whereas change is constant and affects
[4:25] all cities, towns, suburbs, counties,
[4:28] burrows, townships, rural areas, and
[4:30] other places. And planners can help
[4:32] navigate this this change with
[4:34] data-driven insights and expertise that
[4:37] provide better choices for how people
[4:39] work and live. And community planning in
[4:42] provides an opportunity for all
[4:43] residents to be meaningful meaningfully
[4:45] involved in making choices that
[4:47] determine the future of their community.
[4:50] And the full benefits of planning
[4:52] require public elected and appointed
[4:54] officials who understand, support, and
[4:57] demand excellence in planning and plan
[5:00] imple implementation.
[5:02] And the month of October is designated
[5:05] as national community planning month
[5:07] throughout the United States of America
[5:08] and its territories. And the American
[5:11] Planning Association endorses National
[5:13] Community Planning Month as an
[5:15] opportunity to highlight how planning is
[5:17] essential to every community and how
[5:19] planners are uniquely positioned to
[5:21] identify solutions to communities most
[5:23] difficult house most difficult housing,
[5:25] transportation, and land use questions.
[5:29] And the celebration of National
[5:31] Community Planning Month gives us the
[5:32] opportunity to publicly recognize the participation and dedication of
[5:37] appointed planning commission members
[5:40] who have contributed their time and
[5:42] expertise to the improvement of the city
[5:44] of Kingman. And whereas we recognize the
[5:47] many valuable contributions made by the
[5:49] professional community and regional
[5:52] planners of the city of Kingman and
[5:54] extend our heartfelt thanks for the
[5:56] continued commitment to public service
[5:58] by these professionals. Now therefore,
[6:00] I, Ken Watkins, mayor of the city of
[6:02] Kingman, do proclaim the month of
[6:03] October 2026,
[6:06] community planning month. in conjunction
[6:08] with the celebration of national
[6:10] community community planning month and
[6:12] in doing so so urge the residents of our
[6:14] community to join us as we participate
[6:17] in community planning month activities.
[6:19] Of course, it's signed by myself and
[6:21] witnessed by our city clerk Annie
[6:23] Meredith. And once again, we'd like to
[6:25] recognize our team that works for the
[6:26] city um in our development services
[6:30] department and for all that they do. Um
[6:33] Jason,
[6:35] there you are.
[6:37] and and and yours associated counsel.
[6:40] We'd like to come up for a and get a
[6:43] picture here.
[6:49] » And of course, our planning and zoning
[6:51] commission as I mentioned in the
[7:03] » I'll hang with you.
[7:08] Okay, actually you guys should be we'll
[7:10] hold it all together. How's that?
[7:12] >> There we go.
[7:18] » You got it, Sarah.
[7:31] » Thank you.
[7:34] >> [applause]
[7:38] » Good to see you as always. How are you?
[7:55] These proclamations are always fun and I
[7:58] appreciate the opportunity that we have
[7:59] to recognize the different um
[8:01] organizations in our city and what they
[8:03] do for our city. Secondly, we have
[8:07] um Golden Eagle Young Marines
[8:10] Day proclamation.
[8:13] Whereas the Young Marines is a
[8:15] nationally nonprofit youth education and
[8:17] service program focused on the mental,
[8:19] moral and physical development of its
[8:21] members. The local Golden Eagle Young
[8:24] Marines unit provides vital structure,
[8:27] mentorship, and leadership opportunities
[8:29] to young people across Mojave County,
[8:31] actively drawing its youth membership
[8:33] from Kingman, Bullhead City, and Golden
[8:36] Valley.
[8:37] And under the dedicated leadership of
[8:40] that unit commander Jessica an an R
[8:42] River Ria and a team of adult
[8:44] volunteers. This regional unit instills
[8:46] the core values of leadership,
[8:49] discipline, teamwork, and civil respons
[8:51] civic responsibility,
[8:53] preparing area youth to become
[8:55] productive citizens and future leaders.
[8:58] The Golden Eagle Young Marines actively
[9:00] advocate for a healthy, drug-free
[9:02] lifestyle across these tri-state
[9:05] communities, leading by example and
[9:08] encouraging their peers to make
[9:09] positive, life affirming choices.
[9:12] And whereas the members and adult
[9:14] leaders of this unit consistently
[9:16] dedicate their time to vital public
[9:17] service, this includes supporting area
[9:20] veterans, honoring country and community
[9:23] and local civic events, and leading
[9:25] community services projects across the
[9:28] region. The city of Kingman desires to
[9:30] recognize the exceptional character,
[9:32] regional impact, and patriotism
[9:35] demonstrated by these young citizens and
[9:37] their adult leadership. And now
[9:39] therefore, I Ken Watkins, mayor of the
[9:41] city of Kingman, do proclaim October
[9:44] 17th, 2026
[9:46] as Golden Eagle Young Marines Day in the
[9:49] city of Kingman and call upon upon all
[9:52] citizens to commend these young leaders
[9:54] from Kingman, Bullhead City, and Golden
[9:57] Valley for their outstanding service to
[9:59] our community and country. And of
[10:01] course, signed by myself and our
[10:03] witnessed by our city clerk, Annie
[10:04] Meredith. Once again, I appreciate the
[10:07] young Marines and all they do. Um, in
[10:09] fact, they this last Saturday had their
[10:12] annual birthday party and had invited me
[10:16] to be their guest of honor. And of
[10:18] course, I was pleasure had it was a
[10:20] great pleasure to be there. And we have
[10:22] some here today. And so, if we could
[10:24] council, if we could get a photo with um
[10:26] those who are here as far as
[10:28] representing young Marines.
[10:50] of the evening right here.
[10:52] >> There we go.
[11:03] Perfect.
[11:11] » Okay.
[11:15] [applause]
[11:35] Okay, our third proclamation is for the
[11:36] Kingman Cancer Awareness Month. And I'd
[11:39] like to actually turn this over to our
[11:40] vice mayor.
[11:43] Give her anyway, she does a great job
[11:45] doing these presentations also. So,
[11:47] >> thank you.
[11:49] It is uh my great pleasure to read the
[11:52] uh proclamation for the Kingman cancer
[11:54] awareness month. Whereas the mission of
[11:57] the Kingman cancer care unit is to
[11:59] provide financial aid and mor moral
[12:01] support to the patient and their family.
[12:03] They are an organized group of
[12:05] volunteers who educate the community on
[12:07] available resources to control cancer.
[12:10] And whereas the Cayman cancer care unit
[12:13] is dedicated to informing and reminding
[12:15] the population of the facts about
[12:18] cancer, its early detection, its prompt
[12:21] treatment by competent medical methods,
[12:23] and its prevention where practicable and
[12:26] whereas the Kingman cancer care unit
[12:29] assists patients with transportation,
[12:31] out of town room and board, personal
[12:33] equipment, health equipment, and other
[12:35] emergency assistance. Whereas these are
[12:38] just a few of the many ways the Kingman
[12:40] Care Cancer Care Unit services the needs
[12:43] of the Kingman of Kingman and the
[12:45] vicinity. Now therefore, Mr. Ken
[12:48] Watkins, Mayor does here by proclaim the
[12:52] month of October 20 2026 as Kingman
[12:56] Cancer Awareness Month in Kingman,
[12:58] Arizona. Furthermore, because early
[13:00] diagnosis of cancer can make a
[13:02] tremendous difference in the course of
[13:04] one's life, we all urge the citizens of
[13:07] Kingman and the vicinity to take
[13:09] advantage of the services offered by the
[13:11] Kingman cancer care unit. In witness
[13:14] whereof, uh he has set his hand uh to
[13:18] the seal of the city of Kingman uh Mayor
[13:21] Ken Watkins and attested by our clerk
[13:23] Annie Meredith. If you will, uh, Claire,
[13:26] did you want to say a few words about
[13:28] the cancer care unit or we can just do a
[13:30] photo? It's up to you. Okay, great. If
[13:32] you'll join join us down there, that's
[13:34] great.
[13:36] >> And just so you know, vice mayor wore
[13:39] her beautiful pink shoes today.
[13:41] >> You did. And I wore my pink tie because
[13:43] once again, we appreciate all that our
[13:45] cancer care unit does.
[13:47] >> There you go.
[13:56] Yeah.
[14:05] » I will help this young lady up.
[14:07] >> Thank you.
[14:07] >> There you go.
[14:11] » I forgot to wear my pink shoes, but Oh,
[14:13] I love your pink shoes.
[14:16] >> I know.
[14:17] >> You're gonna You're competing with the
[14:18] vice mayor in her pink shoes.
[14:21] You want to be in the middle right
[14:22] behind us.
[14:29] » Get her shoes in the picture, too.
[14:31] >> We'll help you.
[14:32] >> There you go.
[14:42] » Sorry.
[14:50] » [laughter]
[14:51] >> sometimes.
[14:57] Got it.
[14:59] >> Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank
[15:00] you, sir.
[15:01] >> Okay. [applause]
[15:18] » I know. Miss you. A thank you.
[15:22] >> Ah, thank you so much.
[15:24] >> I know.
[15:31] » Thank you.
[15:32] >> Appreciate all you do.
[15:33] >> Thank you, mayor.
[15:35] >> See you.
[15:42] » Thank you again. Thank you, sir.
[15:43] Appreciate it.
[15:44] >> Your honor.
[15:45] >> Oh, no.
[15:52] I know.
[16:04] » Thank you, Vice Mayor. She does an
[16:06] eloquent job doing that and that's why I
[16:08] wanted to share with her. So,
[16:13] [applause]
[16:15] >> okay, moving on to our agenda. Item
[16:17] number two, call to the public. Comments
[16:19] from the public. Those wishing to
[16:21] address the council should fill out
[16:22] request forms in advance. Comments from
[16:25] the public will be restricted to items
[16:26] not on the agenda with the exception of
[16:29] those on the consent agenda. There will
[16:31] be no comments allowed that advertise
[16:33] for a particular person or group.
[16:35] Comments should be limited to no longer
[16:37] than 3 minutes. The council may not
[16:40] respond to speakers during the call to
[16:42] the public. The council may direct the
[16:44] city manager to study the matter or
[16:46] request that the matter be placed on a
[16:47] future agenda. We have a number of of
[16:50] you citizens that have signed up to
[16:52] speak and we appreciate you being here
[16:53] to do and share your thoughts. First,
[16:56] we'd like to ask Mr. um Angelos
[16:59] Shakapalos.
[17:04] » Okay. [laughter]
[17:07] Would you like to come forward, please?
[17:16] So, is it Angel?
[17:17] >> Well, they call me Angel, but it's
[17:19] actually it's um Angelos.
[17:21] >> Angelos, right?
[17:22] >> Angel is much better.
[17:25] >> Welcome.
[17:25] >> Thank you for having me tonight. Um I'm
[17:30] here tonight because I would like to
[17:31] invite all you guys to our grand opening
[17:36] um in November 5th. And this is a uh
[17:41] ground opening. We are going to break
[17:43] the ground to build our uh homes for our
[17:47] veterans. There'll be 71 homes. And um
[17:52] this is a wonderful wonderful thing for
[17:54] our veterans that um have nowhere to go.
[17:58] So I I brought some invitations and
[18:02] everyone in this room is also welcome to
[18:05] come and watch this wonderful God-given
[18:08] gift that we have gotten for the Kingman
[18:13] people.
[18:14] >> Remind us what the name of that is going
[18:15] to be called something village.
[18:17] >> I'm sorry.
[18:18] >> What's the name of that that going to
[18:19] be? It's on over on Sunshine.
[18:21] >> Yeah, it's called the um Commons.
[18:25] Um, oh, thank you. I'm sorry I dropped
[18:29] it.
[18:32] Anyway, um, yeah, so it's open to the
[18:36] public. Like I said, we're going to have
[18:38] food and, uh, there'll be some, uh, very
[18:40] important people there that, um, you
[18:43] know, would like to find out what we are
[18:45] up to with our veterans, past and
[18:48] present, and future home for them. So,
[18:50] here's the here's the invitations for
[18:53] you guys. and also um everyone in this
[18:57] room is invited as well. Thank you. God
[18:59] bless.
[19:00] >> Thank you, Angelos.
[19:01] >> Thank you. [applause]
[19:05] And
[19:05] >> of course,
[19:08] the Jerry Ambrose Veteran Center and
[19:09] everybody calls it the JABC does a lot
[19:12] for our community, especially for our
[19:13] veterans. So, this will be an amazing
[19:16] thing to do.
[19:20] Sally
[19:22] >> [laughter]
[19:24] >> Who who that globe?
[19:26] >> Logan.
[19:27] >> Okay. Thanks, Sally.
[19:29] >> I'm not sure exactly right, but we'll
[19:32] go. I just wanted to kind of address you
[19:35] as a participant at the senior center,
[19:38] adult center, and to say um that it is
[19:42] still going on. It is still strong and
[19:46] that uh we enjoy that. And we want to
[19:49] invite all seniors and adults to join us
[19:53] there for everything from dancing to
[19:56] singing to to arts to crafts and all of
[20:00] that. And it is still going well. So
[20:03] thank you very much. Thank you, Sally.
[20:09] [applause]
[20:11] » Terresa Roundy.
[20:20] Mayor, Council, it is an honor to
[20:22] address my hometown community as I
[20:24] prepare for an upcoming public debate.
[20:27] Because this is the community where I
[20:29] first experienced public speaking and
[20:31] student council, I find it fitting to
[20:34] practice here in the safety of my
[20:36] hometown. As we learn more about recent
[20:39] events surrounding
[20:41] the count uh the Cornell 57, our leaders
[20:45] must address why students are graduating
[20:48] without the critical skills needed to
[20:50] resist systematic hierarchy and
[20:53] codependency.
[20:55] Additionally,
[20:56] coercive control and domestic abuse
[20:58] remain paramount concerns that every
[21:01] state and local school superintendent
[21:03] must address directly. These issues are
[21:06] closely linked to family estrangement, a
[21:09] reality experienced by one in four
[21:11] Americans. Furthermore, 22.5% of
[21:15] Americans have been alienated from
[21:17] family attachments without due process
[21:21] or sufficient evidence in family court.
[21:25] There is a 2025 Idaho judicial report
[21:29] and it's the first in the nation on this
[21:32] national and worldwide issue to ensure
[21:35] the safety of our children and families.
[21:38] Meaningful conversations are essential
[21:40] to drive real change. Child suicide is
[21:45] now the second leading cause of death
[21:47] among youth. And our children deserve
[21:50] leaders who will address root causes.
[21:54] such as the malicious severing of family
[21:56] attachments occurring at an 82%
[21:59] rate which places families at the
[22:02] highest risk rate for suicide.
[22:06] Family safety is paramount with family
[22:08] estrangement affecting so many
[22:11] institutions and third-party care
[22:14] facilities must not facilitate
[22:17] estrangement within vulnerable families.
[22:20] This issue must be addressed not only in
[22:22] our school district but across elder
[22:24] care to ensure the family unit remains a
[22:27] top priority. We must protect the
[22:31] constitutional rights of parent child
[22:34] bonds and prevent institutions and care
[22:37] facilities from participating in
[22:40] dynamics that sever these vital
[22:42] attachments.
[22:45] You know, a study just came out on
[22:49] grandparents, you know, being estranged
[22:52] from their grandkids and that that
[22:54] causes them to die sooner. That goes in
[22:58] line with another study found that when
[23:00] children are severed from attachment, it
[23:03] reorgani reorganizes every cell in their
[23:06] body for less life expectancy. Child SA
[23:10] does not do that, but Family Court is
[23:13] doing that to children. I hope to have
[23:15] my hometown support in spirit as I
[23:18] continue advocating for the protection
[23:20] of children and families in our nation.
[23:22] Thank you very much.
[23:23] >> Thank you, Teresa.
[23:25] [applause]
[23:30] » Mr. Robert Tally,
[23:34] I'm sorry, Robert Thally.
[23:43] » [clears throat]
[23:43] >> This is not just for you. It's people.
[23:45] >> Be sure to speak into the mic so
[23:47] everybody can hear. But you they'll hear you. They just
[23:49] >> you have to face the
[23:50] >> You need to face us because the camera
[23:52] is on.
[23:53] >> Good morning, Mr. Mayor, members of the
[23:56] council,
[23:58] and fellow citizens,
[24:01] all of you
[24:03] American patriots.
[24:08] We all feel the weariness of uh modern
[24:15] uh public discourse.
[24:18] turn on the uh turn on the uh turn on
[24:22] the just turn on the news and open your
[24:25] or open your phone and
[24:28] we see a landscape of divided partisan
[24:34] fighting,
[24:36] tribal noise and endless
[24:41] and and endless uh and an endless spine.
[24:45] It feels like we are constantly being
[24:49] pushed into opposing corners, leaving
[24:53] many of leaving many of us wondering
[24:56] where the where the truth went and where
[24:59] our domestic tranquility has gone.
[25:04] People all across our our community and
[25:08] our country feel this in in our in their
[25:11] hearts every day.
[25:14] We sense the we we sense this ability.
[25:17] We sense the dis the lack of ability to
[25:20] fix it.
[25:22] The solution isn't about choosing a
[25:26] political side.
[25:28] It's about returning to the na to the n
[25:31] to the neutral ground.
[25:34] That is why I am here tonight to
[25:38] advocate for a vital forward-looking
[25:42] step, a 28th amendment for the digital
[25:46] age.
[25:48] Just as our founders established constit
[25:53] structural
[25:54] protections to guard our basic liberties
[26:00] centuries ago. We now need we now need a
[26:05] long uh we now need a a nonpartisan
[26:09] constitutional framework that guarantees
[26:12] neutrality.
[26:14] Fairness and truth are the digital
[26:18] information infrastructure.
[26:21] True reform doesn't start at the top. It
[26:26] starts at the bottom. It starts with us,
[26:30] we the people.
[26:32] a local community
[26:35] planner, city planners,
[26:37] and people just like the council that is
[26:40] before you. Ladies and gentlemen,
[26:43] >> Mr. Tally, you're out of time.
[26:46] >> Thank you.
[26:48] [applause]
[26:52] » I have copies for anybody that would
[26:54] like one.
[26:56] >> Mr. Steven Robinson.
[27:07] Stephen Robinson, Golden Valley,
[27:09] Arizona. Many of you know me. I've been
[27:11] working hard on elections for over 15
[27:13] years. I have monitored the elections
[27:16] here in Mojave County and Arizona since
[27:18] 2010 and across this nation since 96.
[27:22] Our vote right to vote is one of the
[27:25] most sacred privileges we have that I
[27:28] encourage everyone regardless of party
[27:30] to exercise.
[27:32] So that's why it pains me to bring up
[27:34] this issue that this council approved
[27:36] some time ago which was basically to
[27:39] restrict
[27:40] free speech and not allow signs where
[27:44] they should be allowed. I've traveled
[27:46] all over the state. I was just in of
[27:49] Scottsdale last week and Scottsdale Road
[27:52] is the busiest road in Maricopa County
[27:56] and there is not one, not two, but six
[27:58] or eight signs at every corner
[28:02] of Scottsdale Road and in Glendale,
[28:07] everywhere else it's like that. So the
[28:09] rule or the opinion that was given to
[28:11] you and you voted for it to restrict the
[28:13] signs on Scottsdale on Airway
[28:17] which are not tourist areas. They're not
[28:20] hotel areas. They're business areas
[28:22] where people go.
[28:24] It doesn't technically violate the
[28:27] letter of the law, which is going to be
[28:29] changed this next session, I promise
[28:31] you. But it does violate the spirit of
[28:34] the law to not allow signs on those
[28:37] areas. It's it is a form of voter
[28:39] suppression by not allowing signs where
[28:42] they should be. I have worked for years
[28:46] getting out the vote, knocking on doors.
[28:48] Even though I live in Golden Valley, I
[28:50] probably spent more time in Kingman than
[28:52] I have at home because I've worked for
[28:54] the party. I've worked for knocking on
[28:56] doors to get people out to vote. So
[29:00] voting and uh participation in the
[29:03] electoral process is very important to
[29:05] me and I think you should review that
[29:08] sign because or that ordinance that says
[29:10] no signs on those streets because it
[29:13] violates the spirit of the law and soon
[29:16] hopefully this next year our state
[29:18] senator will make sure it violates the
[29:20] letter of the law for the future. Thank
[29:22] you. And I hope everyone here gets out
[29:25] to vote April or before November 3rd and
[29:28] no later than November 3rd unless you're
[29:30] of the other party.
[29:34] >> Thank you, Steve. [applause]
[29:40] That is it for our call to the public. I
[29:43] did want to mention, I should have
[29:44] mentioned at the beginning of the
[29:45] meeting that on our agenda, items 4 A
[29:48] and 4 C have been pulled from tonight's
[29:51] agenda and they might come up at a later
[29:54] date. Thank you. So, moving on. Item
[29:56] three, consent agenda. All matters
[29:58] listed here are considered to be routine
[30:00] by the city council and will be enacted
[30:02] by one motion. There will be no separate
[30:05] discussion of these items. If discussion
[30:07] is desired, that item will be removed
[30:09] from the consent agenda and will be
[30:11] considered separately. Council, we have
[30:13] items 3 A through H. Is there anything
[30:17] that needs to be pulled or discussed?
[30:21] >> Okay, seeing none, can we have a motion
[30:23] then approving our consent agenda item
[30:26] three?
[30:26] >> So move.
[30:27] >> I'll second.
[30:28] >> We have a motion and a second. All those
[30:29] in favor say I.
[30:31] >> I.
[30:32] >> Any opposed? Thank you.
[30:35] Item four B, approval of resolution
[30:40] number 5640, intergovernmental agreement
[30:42] with Mojave County for yellow bus route
[30:45] funding. During the city of Kingman
[30:47] annual budgeting process, it was
[30:49] determined that potential reductions in
[30:51] the Kingman area regional transit cart
[30:54] system would be needed. The cart yellow
[30:57] bus route, which primarily services
[30:59] multiple stops in the county north of
[31:00] Kingman,
[31:02] was recommended for reduction. In order
[31:04] to keep the yellow rat in operation,
[31:06] Mojave County has committed $30,000 in
[31:09] funding through June 30th, 2027.
[31:12] Staff recommends approval.
[31:15] Manager Walsh.
[31:16] >> Yes, sir. I'll take it. Um, so with
[31:18] this, as you mentioned, uh, we've been
[31:21] working with a number of stakeholders to
[31:22] try and generate funding to maintain the
[31:25] yellow route. Uh, Mojave County has
[31:27] committed $30,000 through, um, June 30th
[31:31] of 2027. And this basically authorizes
[31:35] that payment.
[31:37] >> Any questions for Tim? Pretty
[31:40] straightforward. We're thankful that the
[31:41] county is willing to do that and to help
[31:45] of course not just the citizens that
[31:47] live in the Kingman city Kingman city
[31:50] limits but also out on the county. It's
[31:52] a great move. Um is there any other
[31:54] comments or questions from council?
[31:57] Okay. Seeing none, can we have a motion
[31:58] then approving item 4B, approval of
[32:01] resolution number 5640.
[32:03] >> So moved.
[32:04] >> Second.
[32:05] >> We have a motion. We have a second. All
[32:07] those in favor say I.
[32:08] >> I. Any opposed? Motion carries. Thank
[32:11] you. Item number five, department
[32:13] reports 5A, Katherine Hidenrich Adult
[32:16] Center update.
[32:18] Welcome, Tina.
[32:23] » Thank you so much, Mayor, Vice Mayor,
[32:25] and council members.
[32:28] Uh, tonight is a little bit of a twofold
[32:30] department report. I'm going to give a
[32:32] couple of slide presentation to share a
[32:35] little bit about the history of the
[32:37] agreement that we have in place with the
[32:39] center and what our current agreement
[32:43] covers, a little bit about the
[32:44] responsibilities of each of the parties,
[32:46] what the funding looks like. And then we
[32:48] also have with us this evening, we have
[32:50] the executive current executive director
[32:52] with the center as well as two of their
[32:54] board members. and the vice president,
[32:57] Marty Edwards, uh will uh is more than
[33:00] happy to approach once I've completed my
[33:03] presentation to answer any additional
[33:04] questions that you might have. You do
[33:06] have before you a packet that they have
[33:08] prepared with quite a bit of
[33:10] information. So, uh they would certainly
[33:12] be willing to answer any questions on
[33:14] that, too.
[33:32] All right,
[33:35] Erin, are you helping me out down there?
[33:44] Thank you.
[33:46] [clears throat] All right, so a little
[33:48] bit about the history of the agreement.
[33:49] So from the 1990s until 2013, the city
[33:53] actually provided the adult center with
[33:56] a recreation coordinator, two part-time
[33:58] employees, and we also stored a vehicle
[34:02] there. But beginning in 2013, we know
[34:04] what happened during that time. So the
[34:06] city was looking to save some monies and
[34:09] decided to no longer provide the people
[34:12] for the facility, but did offer to
[34:14] contribute $57,000 annually towards uh
[34:18] towards the program. specifically
[34:20] towards the people costs.
[34:30] So the current agreement, what are the
[34:32] key terms and conditions of the current
[34:33] agreement? The current the current
[34:34] agreement is actually very simple. The
[34:36] current agreement became effective in
[34:38] July of last year. It runs for 5 years
[34:40] through June 30th of 2030. It could be
[34:43] terminated any time with I believe it's
[34:45] 60 days notice. It does provide for
[34:48] $57,000 in annual funding. So again,
[34:51] that amount was was um provided to them
[34:54] back in 2013 and has stayed the same
[34:56] since that since that time. And funding
[34:58] is contingent on the city's available
[35:01] funds.
[35:04] So what are the responsibilities for
[35:06] each of the parties? The adult center
[35:08] will use our funds to hire at least two
[35:11] employees to manage the activities. They
[35:14] will provide quarterly spending reports.
[35:16] And by spending reports, I mean the
[35:18] payroll reports because that's all that
[35:20] we're providing funding for. So that's
[35:21] all that we would require. And they
[35:24] would need to provide financial
[35:26] documents relating to that payroll,
[35:28] additional financial documents than what
[35:30] they provide in the event we wanted to
[35:32] perform some sort of financial review.
[35:35] And then they would need to provide an
[35:37] account of any unexpended funds, which
[35:40] you'll see in a later slide that that is
[35:41] not the case. What is the city of
[35:44] Kingman's responsibilities? To pay that
[35:45] $57,000 on a quarterly basis. We provide
[35:50] that funding subject to the availability
[35:51] of the funds and then we would notify
[35:54] the adult center if there was a budget
[35:56] shortfall. Now, the quarterly spending
[35:59] reports, just so you are aware, we
[36:01] receive those via email prior to us
[36:03] issuing that quarterly installment.
[36:08] So, just to provide some background on
[36:11] what our costs actually cover and
[36:13] whether or not it actually does fully
[36:15] support the payroll costs of the
[36:18] facility. So, in the quarterly reports,
[36:21] they provide quite a bit of detail, but
[36:22] I've summarized that here for you. And
[36:24] you'll see down here where it says total
[36:26] payroll expenses for the center is about
[36:29] $79,000.
[36:31] The city provides $57,000.
[36:33] And the payroll expenses that are not
[36:35] covered by us would be about $22,000. So
[36:38] they have to find some sort of funding
[36:39] source to cover those additional
[36:40] expenses.
[36:43] And that is as simplistic as the
[36:45] agreement currently is. But I can
[36:47] certainly answer any questions about the
[36:49] agreement before I invite uh Vice
[36:52] President uh Marty to the podium.
[36:55] >> Council, any questions for Tina?
[36:58] >> Okay. Thank you, Tina.
[36:59] >> Okay. Wonderful. Thank you so much.
[37:06] And we have executive director Kesha
[37:08] Davis as well.
[37:14] [applause]
[37:16] >> Ladies, welcome.
[37:17] >> Hello.
[37:17] >> Good afternoon, city Kingman board and
[37:20] council members. My name is Kesha Davis.
[37:22] I'm the executive director at the
[37:24] Katherine Heinrich Adult Center here in
[37:25] Kingman.
[37:26] >> Kesha, hold on one second. Could you
[37:27] ladies switch so you're talking more
[37:28] into the mic?
[37:30] >> That'd be great. Thank you.
[37:32] All right. I have here with me Marty
[37:34] Adams, board vice president, as well as
[37:36] Tara Anderson, board president, as well
[37:39] as a few other members of our board, our
[37:41] center coordinator, Ashley is here, and
[37:43] a few members that just love the center
[37:45] and wanted to be here to
[37:49] witness, I guess, what's going on. Um, I
[37:51] put together a packet of documents and
[37:53] information to provide you with a better
[37:55] understanding of how we operate on a
[37:56] daily and yearly basis. The information
[37:59] included is intended to give you a
[38:01] clearer picture of our responsibilities,
[38:03] procedures, operations, and the many
[38:05] factors that go into managing our center
[38:06] and keeping it in a positive standing.
[38:09] My goal in providing this information is
[38:11] to ensure you have the essential
[38:13] background to help understand our
[38:15] day-to-day affairs of our operations. My
[38:17] hopes are this will help support
[38:18] informed decisions, decision making, and
[38:21] communication between our organization
[38:23] and the city and concerned citizens.
[38:26] This packet is intended to serve as a
[38:27] helpful reference and provide context
[38:29] for the work we do each day and
[38:31] throughout the year. [clears throat]
[38:32] Sorry. Thank you for taking your time to
[38:34] review this information. I appreciate
[38:36] your consideration and commitment to our
[38:39] company and understand the operations
[38:41] and responsibilities involved.
[38:44] >> Okay.
[38:44] >> Sorry.
[38:46] >> Thank you.
[38:46] >> It's okay.
[38:47] >> Okay.
[38:48] >> This
[38:50] Thank you, Mayor Watkins and city
[38:52] council members. I would like to
[38:54] introduce myself to you. I'm Marty Adams
[38:57] and I came here 40 years ago when my
[39:00] husband was hired by the city of Kingman
[39:03] and he served with our community for
[39:06] over 25 years. He was the director of
[39:09] recreation and aquatics and during that
[39:12] time we served a lot of people and one
[39:16] of the organizations that he was in
[39:18] charge of was the Katherine Heidenrike
[39:20] adult center. When the ca when the city
[39:22] had taken it over he supervised he
[39:25] worked with the council at that time and
[39:27] with the county and intergovernmental
[39:29] agreements and things like that to
[39:31] ensure that we understood what we would
[39:34] be doing and what the county would be
[39:36] doing. So, I have kind of a long history
[39:38] and I know a lot about what's going on
[39:41] and what's happened at the center, which
[39:43] brings us to why we're here today. In
[39:46] June, we had a little situation that
[39:49] happened when our director voluntarily
[39:52] resigned. And that is your first letter
[39:55] that you have in your packet. And during
[39:57] that time, it seemed like there was a
[40:00] division. And of course, people build
[40:02] their armies. And we have people that
[40:04] were on our side. We had people that
[40:06] were on the other side.
[40:08] Sometimes rumors go around and things
[40:11] get said and they are not true. And so
[40:14] I'm here to clear up some of that
[40:16] information and some of those rumors
[40:17] that went around. So um I do want to
[40:21] answer the question to you that or point
[40:24] out one other thing to you. The second
[40:26] page is a letter from an our one of our
[40:28] accountants and she has given us a clear
[40:32] standing. We have provided taxes. We
[40:34] have provided all the information to the
[40:37] IRS. We are a 501c3. We meet all of
[40:40] those qualifications. We are in good
[40:43] standing with the corporation
[40:44] commission. So, nothing is out of order.
[40:47] We have always been able to maintain
[40:50] payroll and we have always been able to
[40:53] maintain the quality and the quantity of
[40:55] services we're providing to the seniors
[40:58] and to the other population of Kingman.
[41:01] We have Girl Scouts and Boy Scouts that
[41:03] come and use our facility and we do that
[41:05] free of charge. We have organizations
[41:08] and they're outlined in your packet as
[41:10] well that come and use our facility. The
[41:13] Kingman Cancer Care Unit, the
[41:15] Gemstoners, we have a whole plethora and
[41:18] we have people coming and going every
[41:21] single day in that facility. We used to
[41:24] be closed on Wednesdays when COVID hit,
[41:27] but we're open. We have plenty of things
[41:30] going on and we are creating new
[41:33] programs. We do have two employees. It
[41:38] used to be
[41:40] one full-time and two part-time, but now
[41:44] we have one full-time, Quesa, and we
[41:47] have one part-time,
[41:49] um, Ashley, and we have one employee
[41:52] that we have uh, under a 1099 form, and
[41:56] he helps us out with special projects.
[41:58] If we have to set tables up for arts and
[42:01] crafts fairs, if we have things that
[42:03] need to go on, maintenance issues, we
[42:05] have that covered. So, we're fulfilling
[42:07] our obligation and we also report to you
[42:10] quarterly about our payroll and we um
[42:14] are kind of thinking that we're going to
[42:15] give you a little more information about
[42:17] some of the other things that are going
[42:19] on there and um just so you're appraised
[42:22] of that so you know where the money is
[42:24] going and how good it is it is. But I do
[42:28] want to share one thing with you that's
[42:30] not in your packet. And I want you to
[42:33] know that in September last month, we
[42:37] had 135 people come to our center and
[42:42] 127 of them were brand new. And now
[42:45] we're starting to get more people coming
[42:47] because the snowbirds are returning. In
[42:51] August we had uh 1,21
[42:54] people come and 107 were new. And in
[42:57] July we had 1,096 people that came and
[43:01] about 200 were new. So we're we're
[43:04] delivering services. We had provided
[43:08] dinners. Um and the the the people come
[43:12] and we have cut it off at like 40 and we
[43:15] have continued that. We're our next
[43:18] dinner is going to be for Halloween and
[43:20] we're going to do a salad bar and have
[43:22] spooky foods and spooky soups and stuff
[43:24] like that and that's open to the public.
[43:28] Um, in an email that we did receive from
[43:32] the city that did pose a couple of
[43:34] questions and I want to answer those to
[43:36] you. So, first of all, none of our board
[43:40] members are paid. So, I don't know where
[43:43] that came from, but as a 501c3, we do
[43:46] not distribute any profits because we
[43:48] really don't have any profits.
[43:50] Everything goes back into our programs.
[43:52] Okay. Um, we do have the um employees,
[43:56] you know, that. And I want you to know
[43:59] that we've had people that have
[44:01] challenged us with open meeting. We are
[44:04] not a government entity. We do not have
[44:06] to abide by that part of the law. But
[44:09] what we do is we used to meet every
[44:12] other Wednesday or every other month,
[44:14] but now we're meeting every month. And
[44:17] what we're doing is if somebody would
[44:20] like to come and talk to us and present
[44:22] a topic, we will have them go to Quesa,
[44:26] they can talk to Quesa and then we can
[44:30] talk about them to come. Um about two
[44:34] board meetings ago, we had people come
[44:36] that were very angry and upset and they
[44:39] brought tape recorders and they taped
[44:41] us. They took pictures of us. They wrote
[44:44] every little thing down that we did. And
[44:47] we were kind of taken back by that
[44:49] because we've never had that kind of
[44:51] interest before. It's been pretty
[44:53] mundane. Just try to keep the center
[44:55] going, know what the budget is, that
[44:57] kind of thing. So, we were kind of taken
[44:59] back, but we've got a little policy in
[45:01] place together now and a procedure and
[45:04] that's what mainly our board meetings
[45:06] are about now because we're getting up
[45:08] to date with policies, procedures,
[45:11] safety things, AEDs to make sure that
[45:13] the participants that come are very well
[45:16] taken care of and we do have it in place
[45:19] and we have had medical emergencies, but
[45:22] we've made been able to call 911 and get
[45:25] people there and we are going to get
[45:27] some people trained in. So, we're
[45:29] becoming a better setter for the
[45:31] citizens of Kingman all the time. And I
[45:34] don't know who decided to send some
[45:37] rumors around that we're not doing our
[45:39] job, but boy, we sure are. We have great
[45:42] board members, Robin Gordon, who used to
[45:44] be on the city council. She's one of our
[45:46] board members. One of our volunteers is
[45:49] Jud Judge Khan. He comes every once a
[45:52] month on Friday nights and he does
[45:54] movies. uh movies, old movies. He has
[45:58] his narrative and you know what that can
[46:00] be like. But we have people that come in
[46:03] and really enjoy that kind of thing. And
[46:05] we're going to be doing other arts and
[46:07] crafts classes. We are going to kind of
[46:09] be innovative. We're going to do bingo size where we're going to play
[46:14] bingo and do exercises. So some of the
[46:18] people would come and get going with
[46:19] that because we know that that's a need.
[46:22] But that's kind of where we're at with
[46:23] that. And I think I've pretty much
[46:25] answered the questions that have been
[46:27] posed to the council by the council to
[46:30] us and I don't know if you have any
[46:32] other questions for us.
[46:35] >> Okay, Marty Kesha, thank you.
[46:37] >> Appreciate the report and of course more
[46:40] information about the center. I think a
[46:42] good portion of us know, but I think
[46:44] it's good once again for the public for
[46:45] everybody to have an idea of um what
[46:48] happens at the Katherryn Heinrich
[46:50] Center. And we hear good things. So,
[46:53] >> thank you. We appreciate that. So,
[46:55] council, any questions for these ladies?
[46:58] >> No,
[46:59] >> go ahead.
[46:59] >> Really?
[47:00] >> Yeah. Go ahead.
[47:01] >> Okay.
[47:01] >> Is that okay? All right. Um, thank you
[47:03] for coming in and giving us this
[47:05] information. I really appreciate it. Can
[47:07] you um just tell me a little bit about
[47:10] your board? Um, if somebody wants to be
[47:12] involved in the board, is it an open
[47:15] board?
[47:15] >> Yes.
[47:16] >> Okay. So, so if I um wanted to have more
[47:20] of a say in in how things were ran in in
[47:23] at the senior center, I I could be a
[47:25] board member and and help participate in
[47:27] that way.
[47:28] >> Absolutely. You do not have to attend
[47:31] and our our activities in order to be a
[47:34] board member. I don't
[47:36] >> Okay. Thank you. And then also um how
[47:39] does your board um do you have a process
[47:43] for taking complaints from from members?
[47:48] >> Well, you know what?
[47:51] Up until about four years ago, we never
[47:55] had complaints.
[47:56] >> And so the complaint department is me.
[48:00] So, um, people, you know, from the
[48:02] center, if they had a situation they
[48:04] wanted to bring forth, they certainly
[48:07] would call me. And I, uh, when we had
[48:10] the director before Ry, who was his
[48:12] ex-wife,
[48:14] >> we had a number of people that were not
[48:17] really happy about some of the things
[48:18] that happened during that time. So I
[48:21] compulated and uh met with John Welton
[48:26] and another board member Robin came I
[48:29] think and we would put a plan of action
[48:31] together how we were going to decide
[48:34] what we were going to do and rectify the
[48:36] situation. So we have that in place so
[48:39] we know how to do that.
[48:40] >> Okay.
[48:41] >> One other thing I want to let you know
[48:42] is about our additional funding sources.
[48:44] Okay. I'll keep this real brief. We get
[48:47] money of course from the city of Kingman
[48:50] and thank you for the funds and always
[48:52] remembering us because not too many
[48:54] other people do that. We um get $15,000
[48:59] from the hospital and we're grateful for
[49:02] that. We get private donations and I
[49:07] can't divulge all the private donations
[49:09] because I haven't asked those people if
[49:11] that's a public thing or not. But we so
[49:13] far this year we've got about $25,000 in
[49:16] public donations. We get money from our
[49:19] programs. Um we sell punch cards and our
[49:23] programs are only $2 a class and if
[49:26] somebody absolutely cannot afford that,
[49:29] we take that into consideration and
[49:32] that's kind of a confidential thing. So
[49:34] we don't ever turn anybody away. And
[49:36] then we have like arts and crafts fairs.
[49:39] We've had a car show. We've had other
[49:41] organizations that help us. They pay a
[49:44] little rent and they pay um some toward
[49:47] utilities and things like that. So, we
[49:49] have um other resources and other
[49:52] income. And I'm a grant writer and I've
[49:55] written a couple grants. So, last year
[49:57] we got a brand new freezer down there.
[50:00] And uh you know, I want to I don't want
[50:03] to say uh forget about the county
[50:05] because the county really helps us out
[50:07] too. We're on county land. Our part is
[50:11] kind of Katherine Hyere. I almost said
[50:13] the city. It's Katherine Hyenrich and
[50:16] the other part is the county and we try
[50:18] to work with them as best we can. They
[50:21] have the handicapped uh bathroom because
[50:23] we don't have it. Uh it was very costly
[50:26] for us to make the changes to
[50:27] accommodate that. So we have a ramp in
[50:29] there so people can that are ADA uh need
[50:32] to get there. So we've got that all
[50:34] taken care of.
[50:35] >> There's no locks on it? No, there's no
[50:37] locks and we're we're working out just
[50:39] fine. We've done that for years and
[50:41] we're going to continue doing that for
[50:43] years. And um I want to let you know
[50:46] that not of all of our donations are
[50:48] moneywise because the county helps us.
[50:50] We got a new floor. Um we had uh
[50:53] volunteers come in to paint and to redo
[50:55] the ceiling and anytime we really have a
[50:59] problem and need something, the county
[51:00] is right there. So, we work very well
[51:03] with them and they're very much uh
[51:05] working well with us. So, other than
[51:08] that, I think that answers most of your
[51:10] questions. And
[51:11] >> Councelor Savage had a comment next.
[51:13] Well, Jamie, are you
[51:14] >> okay, great?
[51:16] >> Thank you all for being here. I I'm
[51:19] definitely don't want to think that I'm
[51:21] a negative Nelly because I'm I'm
[51:22] definitely not. In fact, Moose Lodge, we
[51:24] did give you guys a bunch of money a few
[51:26] years ago for new flooring as well. So,
[51:28] that's not what this is about. The
[51:30] reason why
[51:32] this all started. First of all, um,
[51:35] executive director, what are your exact
[51:37] duties?
[51:40] >> Um,
[51:41] >> I'll get to my point here.
[51:42] >> So, I guess I Sorry, I'm so nervous.
[51:47] >> What do you do for work?
[51:49] >> Um, [cough] so [clears throat] I
[51:52] um like I do the board meetings.
[51:56] Um, I'm so sorry. I'm so nervous. I'll
[51:59] help y'all because she is kind of new.
[52:01] She's she's only been on
[52:03] >> I've been working here for two years as
[52:04] a center coordinator and then I got the director. So at right now I'm
[52:08] working on budgeting um the finances. I
[52:11] do director's report. Anything new? I do
[52:15] the board meetings now. Report to the
[52:17] board. I Yeah. I schedule groups. I
[52:20] schedule after hours parties, clubs,
[52:23] things like that.
[52:24] >> So you're directing?
[52:26] >> Yeah.
[52:26] >> Got it.
[52:27] >> Cool. Cool. So, you don't do any
[52:28] custodial work, do you?
[52:30] >> I mean, if I have to take out the trash
[52:31] or
[52:32] >> if you have to. Well,
[52:32] >> yeah.
[52:33] >> So, you do it all basically if if they
[52:36] needed to. Yeah.
[52:37] >> And and the relationship between the
[52:40] board and the executive director, how
[52:42] cohesive is that? How does that work
[52:44] exactly?
[52:45] >> I meet with Tara every Friday. She's the
[52:48] board president
[52:49] >> and we have a sit down meeting. Anything
[52:50] immediate, she and I handle. Anything
[52:52] that can wait for the board meeting, I
[52:54] just add it to the board.
[52:56] >> Okay.
[52:56] >> And
[52:57] >> all right. The reason why this all came
[53:00] about
[53:02] how last year we approved the next five
[53:06] years for you for you guys financially
[53:08] and it kind of
[53:10] I wasn't real happy with it. Um
[53:15] and it was known um and then Ray ended
[53:17] up coming in about a month later and
[53:19] going over that. So I ended up going and
[53:22] meeting with him for an hour. How many
[53:24] of the board members knew that I even
[53:26] met with him is a question I'd like to
[53:28] know.
[53:29] >> It's [clears throat] a good question
[53:30] because I didn't know.
[53:31] >> Okay. I
[53:34] have done nonprofits a long time and I'm
[53:37] very passionate about things. I offered
[53:40] help. When he came in here, I saw
[53:43] passion in him and he said he wanted to
[53:44] be solvent as far as being separated
[53:46] from being re reliant on the city money.
[53:50] So I said I will help you literally help
[53:53] you physically, mentally, whatever. I
[53:55] have volunteers. I can do whatever it
[53:56] takes. And
[53:59] the reason why I asked that question,
[54:00] was it conveyed to the board?
[54:02] >> Okay.
[54:04] >> Any of the board didn't know.
[54:06] >> Okay. Here here's the next thing is uh
[54:09] last September you guys were going to
[54:11] have a rib dinner. I had that whole
[54:13] thing co coordinated to be donated free,
[54:16] no cost to you guys. And I never got a
[54:19] call back on it or anything. None of you
[54:22] knew about it.
[54:23] >> No.
[54:26] >> I didn't even know about it as a center
[54:27] coordinator. I didn't
[54:28] >> I didn't know about that.
[54:29] >> Okay. All right. Well, that's kind of
[54:32] after trying to get a hold of Ray a few
[54:34] times, I just kind of gave up. And I
[54:37] know he was probably doing too much. I
[54:40] don't know all the details, nor do I
[54:41] care. I'm just getting to the point that
[54:43] come June, I saw the ad for the
[54:46] executive director. That put a lump in
[54:48] my stomach because I know I reached out.
[54:50] I know I could how offer help, but
[54:53] nothing was ever done about it. Then
[54:58] just by chance, the email started coming
[55:00] in. Then this and that and it just
[55:04] snowball and escalated. So that's why I
[55:06] called this. I just wanted to I know you
[55:09] guys do good things. don't think that I
[55:11] think differently. That's that's not
[55:12] even where I'm coming from.
[55:15] >> I would like to see the city not have to
[55:18] pay that in the future.
[55:20] >> Yeah.
[55:20] >> Um that's why I offered the help. So,
[55:22] I'm still willing to do that if I can
[55:24] meet with the board, meet with you. I I
[55:27] got some good ideas. I mean, there's two
[55:29] things you could do right off the bat
[55:30] that could probably get you 100 grand a
[55:31] year. That would get us free and clear
[55:33] and then we could use that to the bus
[55:35] routes and all that stuff. So, that's
[55:36] where I'm coming from on this. As far as
[55:39] the board, do you have four 15 members?
[55:42] >> I think we have uh maybe
[55:44] >> 11 right now.
[55:44] >> 11. But your your
[55:47] >> We can have up to that many.
[55:48] >> We can have up to 15. Oh, yeah.
[55:50] >> So, you always got an odd number.
[55:52] >> And what's your quorum minimum?
[55:54] >> Uh
[55:56] seven.
[55:57] >> I was going to say six, but maybe it's
[55:58] seven.
[56:00] >> I
[56:02] >> Oh, yeah. Half plus one.
[56:04] >> Half plus one
[56:06] >> be eight. which would be eight
[56:08] >> or nine. Yeah.
[56:10] >> Yeah. So,
[56:15] some of the emails that we got concerned
[56:18] the board meeting in August that there
[56:20] was two people removed
[56:22] >> from a quorum of seven and I know one of
[56:25] them very personally. Um, and she's a
[56:28] go-getter. She's she's dear to my heart.
[56:30] She helps with chem cancer care. Y
[56:32] >> and I I it kind of really hit me the
[56:35] wrong right in the craw so to speak that happened to two board members and I
[56:40] don't know why and I don't know if I'll
[56:42] ever know why.
[56:43] >> Yep.
[56:44] >> But as far as the continuation currently
[56:48] with the center, would you guys be open
[56:51] to having a city liaison be part of
[56:54] that?
[56:54] >> Sure would. Well, hands down. We don't
[56:57] have anything to hide. We're we're all
[56:59] for it. And you know, I used to be the
[57:02] director of Catholic Social Services for
[57:03] 10 years here. And my goal was always
[57:06] not to rely on United Way funds, so I
[57:09] understand where you're coming from so
[57:11] we can free up money for other good
[57:13] projects that that money could go
[57:15] toward. Yeah.
[57:17] >> Well, then I can I can jump in here real
[57:19] quick. Please do.
[57:20] >> Carl, do you want to weigh in this a
[57:21] little bit? I need I mean Sean, if you
[57:22] want to do this on your own, I think
[57:24] that's a great idea. I don't know if you
[57:25] could actually
[57:26] >> Well, I want to do it as a citizen to
[57:28] help you guys, not as a city. But I
[57:30] think having some representation from
[57:32] the city
[57:33] >> just show support and all that stuff.
[57:35] >> I know. And it's a great idea. I
[57:37] understand. Um Carl, give us some input
[57:40] on that.
[57:43] [laughter]
[57:44] >> I'm going to be the negative guy because
[57:46] that's that's the attorney. uh we we
[57:49] want to be careful about trying to
[57:51] impose city rules and regulations upon
[57:54] this organization because we have no
[57:56] authority or control. So, as a private
[57:59] citizen, sure, someone can do that. But
[58:01] as a a either a council leaison or a
[58:05] staff leaison, I'm not sure
[58:08] what actual role that's going to be and
[58:13] how we would have to structure something
[58:15] in some sort of an agreement that
[58:17] becomes then we become more involved.
[58:20] Then become a little more responsible.
[58:22] Then we have to look at you know what is
[58:25] our role? How does that affect even our
[58:27] insurance coverage? Because when we
[58:29] backed off, that removes a lot of that
[58:32] liability that we have. So, we need to
[58:34] be a little careful about imposing too
[58:36] much of ourselves without knowing those
[58:40] risks and what we're going to do with
[58:42] it.
[58:42] >> Can we look into that? Uh I'm not saying
[58:44] to impose anything. I I'm not looking
[58:46] for that at all. Just having eyes and
[58:49] ears and it always helps the more people
[58:51] that are passionate about things.
[58:53] >> Sure. it it will do nothing but help
[58:55] that and that's really my ultimate goal.
[58:58] So if you guys want to talk as a board,
[59:00] I'd be more than happy to come meet with
[59:02] you guys on a private level of course.
[59:05] And so that option is still open. I I
[59:08] just eventually it to me it should have
[59:10] been set up as a temporary funding
[59:12] source, not a permanent funding source.
[59:16] And I I think 20 years, 20 plus years is
[59:19] kind of a long time that we could have
[59:21] gotten rid of that and the city could
[59:23] have done other other with it. But I'm
[59:25] willing to help you guys. So I wanted
[59:27] you just to know that. That's why I have
[59:29] brought this on because I really had my
[59:30] heart sunk, my gut sunk,
[59:32] >> and I didn't like that feeling at all.
[59:34] So I just know I had to come out and say
[59:36] something.
[59:36] >> Yeah.
[59:37] >> Well, I'm there Monday through Friday.
[59:39] Just call me anytime.
[59:40] >> I will find time to get there for you.
[59:43] >> Okay.
[59:43] >> All right. That's that's all I got. You
[59:45] have lots of witnesses here.
[59:46] >> I I know. I know. I I back up what I
[59:48] say.
[59:49] >> I appreci I I I appreciate you doing
[59:51] that. I think that, you know,
[59:52] personally, it's a great
[59:53] >> But I didn't tell Ry that last year. I
[59:55] had to sleep on it because I knew I was
[59:57] going to be negative on the funding
[59:58] going forward. Um but how could I help?
[1:00:02] And that's what I woke up with is how
[1:00:04] could I help? And that's why I did that.
[1:00:05] >> Thank you.
[1:00:06] >> Very good.
[1:00:07] >> All right. Thank you for being here
[1:00:08] >> and thank you for your time.
[1:00:10] >> Well, you're not done yet.
[1:00:12] >> [laughter]
[1:00:14] >> Sorry, you're still in the hot seat, but
[1:00:15] that's all right.
[1:00:16] >> It's okay.
[1:00:16] >> We're We're friendly.
[1:00:18] >> Yeah,
[1:00:18] >> it's not super hot. Welcome, ladies. Um,
[1:00:21] thank you so much for providing us all
[1:00:23] this additional information. Um, I just
[1:00:25] had a couple questions and it kind of
[1:00:27] was in line with what councelor Sy was
[1:00:30] uh going with um the process for getting
[1:00:34] on the board. Do you have a process for
[1:00:36] getting on your board of directors?
[1:00:39] >> Yes.
[1:00:39] So, they apply.
[1:00:41] Yeah, the resume.
[1:00:42] >> Okay. Okay. So, it's not prohibitive.
[1:00:45] It's It's very easy to apply to be on
[1:00:48] the board. It's a vote of the board.
[1:00:49] >> Yep. We don't do background check.
[1:00:52] >> Don't do that. No fingerprints.
[1:00:54] >> Okay. Um, are your board meetings open
[1:00:56] to the public?
[1:00:58] >> Well, we have a we have a process. So,
[1:01:01] if you wanted to come and look and sit
[1:01:04] in, you let Kisha know so we can put it
[1:01:06] on the agenda. And that's pretty much
[1:01:09] how we do it. We are asking that people
[1:01:12] be upfront and honest because we don't
[1:01:15] want somebody to come with one pretense
[1:01:17] and de develop or deliver another uh
[1:01:21] concern.
[1:01:22] >> Sure.
[1:01:23] >> So that's what
[1:01:24] >> so so where I was going with this is
[1:01:26] you're a nonprofit accepting city of
[1:01:30] Kingman funding and other various
[1:01:32] contributors and stakeholders. If the a
[1:01:35] member of the public wanted to go, if I
[1:01:37] wanted to go sit in on your meeting, I
[1:01:40] would need to let you know that I was
[1:01:42] sitting into the into the meeting, I I
[1:01:44] just I I don't understand why the public
[1:01:47] couldn't attend your meeting. I can
[1:01:48] understand that the public wouldn't be
[1:01:51] able to speak.
[1:01:52] >> Well, you know,
[1:01:53] >> but attending your meeting, I I would
[1:01:54] like to see if you're all inclusive and
[1:01:57] you're and you're, you know, receiving
[1:01:59] these funds from other entities,
[1:02:02] especially public funding. Um, I would
[1:02:04] like to see uh some opportunity to at
[1:02:07] least sit in on a meeting. I I plan to
[1:02:09] come to a couple meetings. I'll just let
[1:02:11] you know. I didn't know what the process
[1:02:12] was. I would just like to see how you
[1:02:15] all operate.
[1:02:16] >> Sure. You know, nonprofit organizations
[1:02:18] in Arizona don't have to have um public
[1:02:21] meetings or people coming like that.
[1:02:23] It's not a government. Correct. It's a
[1:02:25] nonprofit. So, it's up to the discretion
[1:02:27] of that nonprofit organization. And I
[1:02:29] understand that. and we really haven't
[1:02:32] had anybody shown any interest. So,
[1:02:35] we're kind of in our baby steps with
[1:02:37] this. We're trying to listen to what our
[1:02:40] people want and um so we're just
[1:02:44] learning, but we do have a little policy
[1:02:47] put up in the foyer
[1:02:49] >> and I I intend to abide by that. I I
[1:02:51] just think that it would be fiscally
[1:02:53] responsible of me as a fiduciary of the
[1:02:56] city of Kingman funds to come and visit
[1:02:58] and just just see how you operate. So,
[1:03:01] um you know, I I'll follow your rules
[1:03:03] and and I'll I'll let you know that that
[1:03:05] I would like to come, but I just wanted
[1:03:07] to make sure that it was um available.
[1:03:09] And then do your do your board members
[1:03:11] have uh term limits or do you do they
[1:03:13] get to stay on the board in perpetuity
[1:03:16] or
[1:03:17] >> we have uh uh well we have one uh two
[1:03:22] year
[1:03:23] >> two year and five year
[1:03:25] >> yeah twoyear and fiveyear okay
[1:03:27] >> okay okay
[1:03:28] >> yeah I couldn't remember what that was I
[1:03:30] haven't looked at that for a while but
[1:03:31] you know one of the things we're in
[1:03:32] process of doing is looking at our
[1:03:34] bylaws and reviewing them and then we
[1:03:36] have to turn those in any changes to the
[1:03:38] corporation operation commission. So,
[1:03:40] we're we're we do that about every two
[1:03:42] or three years.
[1:03:43] >> Okay, great. Great. And then lastly, I
[1:03:45] just wondered um there is no membership
[1:03:47] fee, right? It's open to the public
[1:03:49] unless they take advantage of your your
[1:03:51] programs and then they pay whatever the
[1:03:53] cost is.
[1:03:54] >> If they don't have it, they don't have
[1:03:55] to pay it.
[1:03:56] >> Okay. Okay. All right. All right. Well,
[1:03:58] I appreciate uh you entertaining my
[1:04:00] questions and thank you so much. I will
[1:04:02] come visit you. Um, so I, you know, I
[1:04:05] just, I just feel like you're a group I
[1:04:07] have not visited, so I I would like to, visit you. So, thank you.
[1:04:11] >> Thank you so much, ladies. Okay,
[1:04:12] >> that's all I had. Mayor,
[1:04:13] >> one of your associates would like to
[1:04:15] come in, I think. Are you on the board
[1:04:16] also, ma'am?
[1:04:17] >> Yes, by
[1:04:19] >> Well, then you're you're part of this
[1:04:21] group, too. So, please come forward and
[1:04:22] please step into the mic, though.
[1:04:25] >> For me was um a resume.
[1:04:29] >> Ma'am,
[1:04:30] >> can you please share your name for the
[1:04:32] record? Hudac Logan I talked earlier. Um
[1:04:36] but what they acquired from me um was a
[1:04:39] resume that I gave them and um and then
[1:04:43] I had a they had a meeting and they
[1:04:47] voted me on. So my first meeting is the
[1:04:50] 16th my first board meeting. But I'm one
[1:04:53] of those board
[1:04:53] >> meeting.
[1:04:54] >> Huh.
[1:04:54] >> You did your resume then you sat in on a
[1:04:56] meeting.
[1:04:56] >> Yeah I sat in but that was just yeah
[1:04:59] myself wanting to sit in. I'm very
[1:05:01] interested in becoming a board because
[1:05:04] um I want to have some effect and I do
[1:05:11] >> do a lot of stuff for
[1:05:13] >> I do believe that it should be open the
[1:05:15] meetings that's where I'm coming from
[1:05:19] and um I think it should be and everyone
[1:05:22] should be able to come if they want they
[1:05:24] may not be it may be pretty boring
[1:05:26] sometimes but I wanted to get on it and
[1:05:30] I know of two other new people who are
[1:05:32] new are new to the board and that's what
[1:05:35] they want to do too is they want to get
[1:05:36] involved and they want to move some
[1:05:39] things. So just letting you know that's
[1:05:41] how I became a board member and I do
[1:05:44] regularly attend there. So
[1:05:46] >> thank you.
[1:05:49] >> council. Yes, Jamie.
[1:05:51] >> Um thank you. I just wanted to clarify,
[1:05:53] you know, some of this how it started is
[1:05:56] people were coming to council meetings
[1:05:58] to give us information about uh your
[1:06:00] center and maybe some changes. And so my
[1:06:03] questions were really because
[1:06:05] um when they ca when those people came,
[1:06:09] I didn't have an answer for them because
[1:06:11] I don't have any authority over, you
[1:06:14] know, your organization. Of course,
[1:06:16] we're just we're making a contribution
[1:06:17] because we think what you do is really
[1:06:19] important for our community. Um, and so
[1:06:22] my questions were in line with your
[1:06:24] board and your med and your and whether
[1:06:26] or not there was a complaint process
[1:06:28] just because I need to be able to tell
[1:06:29] people, look, you know, that that is not
[1:06:33] within my responsibility, but but you
[1:06:35] can volunteer, you can be on the board
[1:06:37] and there's there is a a process for
[1:06:39] getting complaints to that board. I
[1:06:41] think that's really important and maybe
[1:06:43] some having having an open meeting or or
[1:06:47] something like that. um you you might be
[1:06:50] able to just squash some of those
[1:06:52] complaints just through that open
[1:06:53] dialogue. But but again, that's not my
[1:06:55] responsibility.
[1:06:56] >> We also have volunteer meetings and
[1:06:58] we've met some of the people that have
[1:06:59] made complaints.
[1:07:01] >> Um and we're not very
[1:07:03] >> Yeah. And I'm so sorry to to hear that is happening at the center. I hope
[1:07:07] that you don't lose volunteers over some
[1:07:10] of that ugliness because you do provide
[1:07:12] a very important service. So, thank you
[1:07:14] again and just thanks for coming and
[1:07:16] giving us that info.
[1:07:17] You're welcome. [clears throat]
[1:07:20] >> Thank you, counselor. [applause]
[1:07:26] » So, actually, were there any other
[1:07:28] questions? Councelor Dykins, did you
[1:07:29] have a
[1:07:30] >> I [snorts] have a question for Tina.
[1:07:32] >> Okay.
[1:07:38] » In one of the slides, it shows
[1:07:40] responsibilities of each party. And
[1:07:42] under the adult center, it says use the
[1:07:45] city funds solely to hire at least two
[1:07:48] employees to manage adult center
[1:07:51] activities.
[1:07:53] Those two employees, are they full-time,
[1:07:57] part-time? I don't see a a separation
[1:08:00] there, but there's definitely a big
[1:08:02] difference in the costs,
[1:08:06] >> meaning the expenditures on their part.
[1:08:08] Councilman Dikkins, I have the agreement
[1:08:09] in front of me and I don't believe that
[1:08:12] it calls out full-time or part-time. I
[1:08:15] think it just says two employees.
[1:08:17] >> You're correct. It doesn't count call
[1:08:18] out
[1:08:20] whether it's FTE or part-time.
[1:08:22] >> Okay.
[1:08:27] » Thank you, [snorts] counselor. Okay. Any
[1:08:28] other comments or questions?
[1:08:31] Once again, thanks all of you,
[1:08:32] especially those who are here um
[1:08:34] representing the Katherine Hinrich
[1:08:36] Center. And it was mentioned by
[1:08:38] councelor Saley and our vice mayor and I
[1:08:40] think all of us, we are thankful for
[1:08:41] what you do for our our senior citizens
[1:08:44] whether they live in the city limits or
[1:08:46] whether they live in the county. Um you
[1:08:48] we're all part of this greater Kingman
[1:08:50] area and so we appreciate what you do
[1:08:52] for them because oftentimes
[1:08:56] that if even if they come to the center
[1:08:57] one day a week that socialization is
[1:09:01] what they need to keep them going every
[1:09:03] week. So thanks again. Okay, thank you.
[1:09:07] Um, continue on our agenda. Item five,
[1:09:10] department reports, golf course
[1:09:12] marketing action plan,
[1:09:16] Mr. Mike Mirsman. Welcome.
[1:09:22] Any of you from the center wanted to
[1:09:23] leave, please? You're more than welcome
[1:09:24] to. We understand. It's all right.
[1:09:38] how you do it.
[1:09:40] >> It's not how you do it. Share
[1:09:44] and then you pick it.
[1:09:47] >> Otherwise, you're not sharing it
[1:09:49] through.
[1:09:50] >> No, it's not touch screen. I was just
[1:09:52] pointing to you.
[1:10:05] this thing.
[1:10:08] There we go.
[1:10:23] » Good evening, Mayor, Vice Mayor, and
[1:10:24] Council. Uh I'm glad to see that the hot
[1:10:27] seat's not too hot tonight. So uh thank
[1:10:29] you for that. But uh any rate um onto
[1:10:32] the uh uh marketing plan. Uh basically
[1:10:37] um obviously we all know we have a
[1:10:39] beautiful golf course and uh very proud
[1:10:41] of it. Uh
[1:10:45] if I can get the slides to advance I
[1:10:47] guess.
[1:11:00] Usually these arrows is what I use but
[1:11:03] there. Okay, there we go. Um any rate uh
[1:11:06] [clears throat]
[1:11:07] I I just want to touch base. The first
[1:11:09] couple of slides basically are what uh
[1:11:11] the what the uh consultant kind of came
[1:11:15] up with basically and and the rest of
[1:11:18] them are kind of what we've interpreted
[1:11:19] what he said and um what we feel like
[1:11:22] going forward implementation would be um
[1:11:26] and really I felt like there's a lot of
[1:11:27] good information in this in his
[1:11:29] presentation and well in his packet and
[1:11:32] to leaf through it and try to get all
[1:11:34] the good stuff out of it I think is very
[1:11:36] important. Um, and I wanted to say to
[1:11:39] the where he talked about the millions
[1:11:41] of dollars it's going to be. Um, and and
[1:11:43] what what I think about that it's to
[1:11:45] make that a perfect place is what the
[1:11:47] millions of dollars would do. And I've
[1:11:49] been at several golf courses and our
[1:11:52] team that works and manages our golf
[1:11:53] course. I've been at several golf
[1:11:54] courses and none of them have had
[1:11:56] everything perfect there, which would be
[1:11:59] great to have a perfect irrigation
[1:12:00] system, all brand new. That would be
[1:12:02] perfect, but and I've never had that in
[1:12:04] any job that I've been at. And so I mean
[1:12:06] but that's what his presentation was
[1:12:08] about in my mind and what he was
[1:12:10] pointing out to us. Um and basically
[1:12:14] through this there's like really three
[1:12:15] really important slides. There's a lot
[1:12:17] of slides and I'll kind of go through
[1:12:18] them and won't talk very much about a
[1:12:19] lot of them but there's um the slide
[1:12:21] eight is implementation. Um slide 22 is
[1:12:24] about cost savings. We think there's a
[1:12:26] lot of cost savings we can do and I
[1:12:28] think that's important too. And then 30
[1:12:30] slide 33 is the recap of um all of it.
[1:12:35] So basically tournaments, leagues,
[1:12:37] charitable groups, it's quality of life
[1:12:38] is what it's about. You know, these are
[1:12:41] what all the people that use our
[1:12:42] facility. And uh one one thing that gets
[1:12:45] important I think and gets overlooked a
[1:12:47] lot of times is for the um charitable
[1:12:50] groups the money they raise doesn't go
[1:12:52] toward our bottom line but it's $500,000
[1:12:55] that goes into the communities through
[1:12:57] their what the charities raise for their
[1:12:59] organizations and I think that's very
[1:13:01] important too. Um you know seniors,
[1:13:04] veterans, educators, realators, business
[1:13:06] people, families, um nonprofit groups,
[1:13:10] everybody uses the the golf course. Um
[1:13:13] the marketing plan uh what this is what
[1:13:16] kind of what JJ the consultant came up
[1:13:18] with uh this is what all was in there
[1:13:21] and um the the marketing plan was
[1:13:24] mentioned in there many many times. So
[1:13:26] um and he he looked at a lot of other
[1:13:29] things which is important too and we've
[1:13:31] kind of gone through all those and um
[1:13:35] the mar his marketing plan field visit
[1:13:37] this was really good. He came in and he
[1:13:39] went to the golf course unannounced and
[1:13:41] uh shopped there in the pro shop and
[1:13:43] golfed and dined and checked it all out
[1:13:45] and uh um and it was really really good.
[1:13:49] And this is more about his findings
[1:13:52] really. Um our golf course is located
[1:13:55] good and you know uh how many golfing
[1:13:58] days we have a year which we all know we
[1:13:59] have a lot of them because we don't get
[1:14:00] much rain and so um and our price is
[1:14:03] below value. It's our price is a great
[1:14:06] value for people and that's I think part
[1:14:08] of the problem is that we've got to get
[1:14:09] that price back up still. So it's
[1:14:11] something that for many years it kind of
[1:14:13] didn't get raised because COVID came and
[1:14:17] just all the different stuff came along
[1:14:18] the economy and so it just kind of got
[1:14:20] overlooked and didn't go and I think
[1:14:21] it's important that you look at that
[1:14:22] annually and make those adjustments
[1:14:24] annually. So um and the physical assets
[1:14:27] is what he talked about and we know that
[1:14:29] everything's not perfect but um we're
[1:14:32] obviously working with it and doing a
[1:14:33] great job. You see the golf course right
[1:14:34] now is in great shape and um our team
[1:14:37] does a great job. Very proud of them.
[1:14:39] And this is like where the course
[1:14:41] stands, you know, um discounting is a
[1:14:44] concern obviously because and uh golf
[1:14:47] packages, season passes, private carts,
[1:14:50] all those things are discounted off of a
[1:14:52] rate. And so it's important that we get
[1:14:55] those rates all where they belong
[1:14:56] really. Um and our golf course there's
[1:14:59] already a value. So, it's important
[1:15:01] maybe not to discount, but maybe offer a
[1:15:03] free bucket of balls with a round of
[1:15:06] golf to get people there. And I what's
[1:15:07] really important is um that we look at
[1:15:11] getting them there um in our off times,
[1:15:15] in our slow times because we're our busy
[1:15:17] times are very busy. We're a very busy
[1:15:18] golf course. And so, this is kind of
[1:15:21] like the key items. It's one of the
[1:15:22] slides I was talking about that very
[1:15:24] important. Um we want to continue
[1:15:26] gathering data. I think that's something
[1:15:28] that you never get finished doing. Um
[1:15:31] and so we want to come back to the
[1:15:33] council in 30 to 60 days with rate
[1:15:35] recommendations. Uh and obviously our uh
[1:15:40] our rounds basically are 90% from the
[1:15:44] data we've been gathering lately, which
[1:15:45] we've been doing a lot better. Our
[1:15:46] staff's been doing a lot better about
[1:15:47] gathering data who's residents and who's
[1:15:49] non-residents. And we're like 90%
[1:15:51] residents so far and 10% non-residents.
[1:15:54] And we think that's going to get
[1:15:56] throughout the year that's going to
[1:15:57] change some. But like I said, we're not
[1:15:59] finished gathering data ever. So, and
[1:16:01] our POS POS system um barter or trade we
[1:16:05] he recommended getting a new POS system,
[1:16:07] but he saw the challenges we had with
[1:16:09] the one we had and um we've got most of
[1:16:12] those worked out and I think we're
[1:16:13] getting good data. Um expand the T-
[1:16:16] sheet out and we'll I'll talk more about
[1:16:18] this on another slide. and um social
[1:16:21] media marketing. We want to look at
[1:16:22] doing that where we um target market
[1:16:25] areas, Bullhead City, Laughlin, Havsu,
[1:16:29] maybe Boulder City, even places that
[1:16:31] people going through here. We can target
[1:16:33] market those places to get some more try
[1:16:35] to get more non-resident play, which is
[1:16:37] important. Um creating an email
[1:16:40] database. So far, we've got about 16,000
[1:16:42] people in there. So, we're working on
[1:16:44] that. We're gathering that. And he
[1:16:46] thought that was very important, and we
[1:16:47] think it is, too. looking at top tracer
[1:16:49] technology for our driving range. We've
[1:16:50] gathered some data. We want to gather
[1:16:52] more and see if there's different ways
[1:16:54] of getting it. Whether we pay somebody
[1:16:56] to build a cover of our range te or he recommended a place where somebody
[1:17:01] will build it for you. They'll pay for
[1:17:02] it and then they get the money for the
[1:17:04] first so many years and then we have to
[1:17:07] pay for that in the end which we get
[1:17:09] some other money too which you could
[1:17:10] bank and pay for it. So there's
[1:17:11] different options of ways to look at it
[1:17:13] that we could possibly do. So, we'll be
[1:17:15] out obviously coming back to you with
[1:17:16] those recommendations as well. Um, and
[1:17:20] attracting new golfers is con currently
[1:17:22] and ongoing. It's uh very important that
[1:17:24] we continue to try to get more and more
[1:17:27] people there. Um, and these next couple
[1:17:30] slides are going to be talking about
[1:17:31] kind of what I just talked about. And
[1:17:32] there's what we talked about possible
[1:17:34] rate increase. Um, 5% annually, which I
[1:17:37] should at least look at until we get
[1:17:38] caught up to where we were. Um, and like
[1:17:42] I said, we'll be coming back to council
[1:17:43] with a recommendation on that 30 to 60
[1:17:45] days. Miscellaneous fees increase
[1:17:47] driving range, uh, all those fees should
[1:17:49] be looked at and at least
[1:17:51] [clears throat] yearly and come back and make some rate adjustments on those
[1:17:55] things. Um, we'd like to implement a
[1:17:57] tournament booking fee where if you're
[1:17:59] going to have a tournament, you pay $250
[1:18:02] and if you don't come up with your full
[1:18:04] amount that you say you're going to have
[1:18:05] in your tournament, we keep the $250. if
[1:18:08] you do, that money goes toward your
[1:18:10] tournament. So, um, we think that's
[1:18:13] another important thing to because we've
[1:18:15] had some people book outings, say,
[1:18:16] "We're going to have an outing," and
[1:18:17] then they don't have as many people as
[1:18:19] they said they were going to have, and
[1:18:20] then we're at the last minute trying to
[1:18:21] fill a t- sheet up. So, um, we think
[1:18:23] it's important to maybe do something
[1:18:25] like that, too, obviously. Um, grill
[1:18:28] food and beverage costs, evaluate
[1:18:30] quarterly, and adjust those. Um, the POS
[1:18:33] versus barter, this what I just talked
[1:18:35] about. These are the numbers that if we
[1:18:37] what we would pay to do it. What what is good about the way we do it? We
[1:18:40] barter. We trade we trade noon tea times
[1:18:43] which we don't have we don't have noon
[1:18:45] tea time. So they're bringing us people
[1:18:47] to play and they're getting to play free
[1:18:50] on them. But obviously they come in,
[1:18:53] they spend money in the pro shop, they
[1:18:54] spend money in the grill and and we
[1:18:56] would be paying um 35,000 a year for
[1:18:59] that software plus 20% on each sale if
[1:19:02] on each uh sale if we had to pay for it.
[1:19:05] So we still think it's a better way to
[1:19:07] barter it because like I said, they're
[1:19:08] noon tea times which we don't have
[1:19:11] people knocking the door down to come
[1:19:12] play our place at noon and that we're
[1:19:14] trying to get people to play noon and
[1:19:15] afternoon. So um our our prime tea times
[1:19:18] are in the morning. So um we think this
[1:19:21] is the way to go to stay with what we're
[1:19:23] doing. We've got a lot of the things
[1:19:24] worked out. We're gathering the right
[1:19:25] data. Um which which was the
[1:19:28] consultant's concern obviously was that
[1:19:31] um prime tea times. This is another very
[1:19:33] important uh slide that the prime tea
[1:19:36] times are in the morning. We know that.
[1:19:38] And so what we'd like to do is uh extend
[1:19:42] our right now you have to for 14 days
[1:19:44] before the day you want to golf you can
[1:19:46] reserve a tea time. And what we want to
[1:19:47] do to keep it fair to our current season
[1:19:49] passholders is we want to make it so
[1:19:52] that people can book 90 days out and pay
[1:19:54] a $40 booking fee per forsome up to 14
[1:19:59] days and then there's no booking fee.
[1:20:01] That way we're going to find out what's
[1:20:02] prime time and are people willing to pay
[1:20:04] extra for the that's $10 a person in a
[1:20:06] forsome. So it's still reasonable. Um,
[1:20:10] but we think that's a good thing to do.
[1:20:11] And then if we implement this, then a
[1:20:13] year from now, we would go to when all
[1:20:15] of our seasoned passholders that we have
[1:20:17] now their passes, they would already
[1:20:19] know this if they're going to get a new
[1:20:20] one that in the future it's going to be
[1:20:22] seven days out. So, you'd be able to pay
[1:20:25] that $40 to get a tea time up to seven
[1:20:27] days out and then then we'd open up the
[1:20:30] T- sheet to everybody. So, um, that's
[1:20:32] kind of what this is about and we think
[1:20:33] it's a good plan and this is one of them
[1:20:35] that the consultant recommended that we
[1:20:37] look at and, uh, we think it's a pretty
[1:20:39] good way to do it to it's going to help
[1:20:41] us know more and more when are our prime
[1:20:43] times because that if people are willing
[1:20:45] to pay a little extra for it, then it's
[1:20:46] a prime time. So, um, we we do think
[1:20:49] it's important. So, this is a important
[1:20:51] thing and we'll be coming back to the
[1:20:52] council with this 30 to 60 days, we'll
[1:20:54] be bringing you something to vote on all
[1:20:55] these things that we want to where we
[1:20:57] want to raise the rates and do things
[1:20:59] like this. So um this is the industry
[1:21:02] standard. Basically 50% 30 50% of the te
[1:21:07] of our rounds come from the 30% of the
[1:21:10] uh available tea times. That that's the
[1:21:12] mornings. So we know that people don't
[1:21:14] want to play in the mornings. We just we
[1:21:15] have to continue to try to find ways to
[1:21:17] get people out in the mornings. I mean
[1:21:20] afternoon and in the evenings when it's
[1:21:22] hot people don't want to play golf. I
[1:21:24] mean we've talked about having a if it's
[1:21:26] a 100 degree out day then we have a
[1:21:28] discounted rate for that. We've talked
[1:21:30] about things like that possibly. So,
[1:21:31] there's all those things to continue to
[1:21:33] look at. I think um um and like I said,
[1:21:36] 70% of our rounds are between 6 o'clock
[1:21:38] and 11 o'clock in the morning. So, um
[1:21:41] but this will what we're talking about
[1:21:43] doing will will tell us for sure when
[1:21:45] the prime times are. We're going to know
[1:21:46] more and more when prime times are, what
[1:21:48] days, what weekend days, what days of
[1:21:50] time on the weekends. Um, and our
[1:21:54] staff's doing a much better job now,
[1:21:55] too, of having people get a tea time.
[1:21:58] Instead of when somebody calls and says,
[1:21:59] "Got to get a tea time." You don't say,
[1:22:01] "Oh, it's not busy in the afternoon.
[1:22:02] Just come on out." We don't want to tell
[1:22:04] people just come on out. We want to get
[1:22:05] a tea time. Then we know they're coming
[1:22:07] and it's just better per more
[1:22:09] professional to do that kind of stuff.
[1:22:10] So, our staff's doing a great job with
[1:22:12] that, too. Um, Whoops. Social media
[1:22:16] marketing. I touched on this where we
[1:22:18] want to target certain areas. Um, we
[1:22:20] think that's important and uh obviously
[1:22:22] and the consultant pointed this out that
[1:22:24] a golfer in Laughlin can uh save $360 of
[1:22:28] force to bring a people over here. The
[1:22:30] challenge with this is we would like to
[1:22:32] work with the casinos and things like
[1:22:33] that, but they want to keep the people
[1:22:35] there. They don't want them going off to
[1:22:36] play golf anywhere. They want them to
[1:22:38] stay in the casino. So, it's hard to get
[1:22:39] them to work with you, but we're going
[1:22:41] to continue to try to do that more and
[1:22:44] uh work on that. So, um,
[1:22:48] marketing and advertising and we think
[1:22:50] it's still important to get our
[1:22:51] billboard up raised now with a wall
[1:22:53] there where you can at least see a
[1:22:54] billboard that says there's a golf
[1:22:56] course on this side of the wall because
[1:22:58] obviously you used to be able to see
[1:22:59] that beautiful golf course driving down
[1:23:00] the highway. Now, you see a wall. So, we
[1:23:02] do think that's important uh to try to
[1:23:04] get that done. And we want to do
[1:23:06] brochures and things like that. And we
[1:23:08] talked about um advertisement
[1:23:09] [clears throat] on the city's digital
[1:23:11] billboards. We think that's important
[1:23:13] for the grill and everything for the
[1:23:14] golf course. Um, and brochure placement
[1:23:17] and all these different places. We think
[1:23:18] that's important, too. So, we're going
[1:23:20] to try to do more and more of that. Um,
[1:23:23] creating a database. This what we talked
[1:23:25] about. We have 16,000 so far and we're
[1:23:26] still working on this and like I said,
[1:23:28] doing a really good job with this. Are
[1:23:30] really, our staff's doing a really good
[1:23:32] job, I think, to come up with what we've
[1:23:34] learned from this and trying to
[1:23:36] implement and make it better. Um,
[1:23:39] tournaments. This was asked for uh I
[1:23:41] think by the vice mayor which is a very
[1:23:43] good question is a weekend comparable
[1:23:45] with a tournament on it and both
[1:23:48] weekends on the other side. And so with
[1:23:50] this slide basically on a tournament on
[1:23:52] a tournament day the pro shop will do
[1:23:54] $5,000 and the girl will do $3,900 on a
[1:23:58] non-ournament weekend on either side of
[1:23:59] that tournament. It'll be $3,000 on the
[1:24:02] $1,000. So those are the numbers. And so
[1:24:05] tournaments are important we think. and
[1:24:07] the consultant thought that we should
[1:24:08] have a high price for tournaments and we
[1:24:10] kind of don't think that. We think if
[1:24:11] you're bringing a full group in that we
[1:24:13] think it's okay to um you're getting a
[1:24:15] commitment that they're bringing them
[1:24:16] in, especially if we do the uh fee that
[1:24:18] we're going to charge to that if they're
[1:24:20] going to register to have a tournament
[1:24:22] then they pay that. So, but we think
[1:24:25] it's important and these are very
[1:24:26] important to look at as how we're doing
[1:24:27] that. These are some of the tournaments
[1:24:28] we have and obviously a lot of good ones
[1:24:31] and a lot of money is raised with these
[1:24:33] to go into the nonprofits. uh $500,000
[1:24:37] which I mentioned earlier which is very
[1:24:38] important. Um top tracer technology this
[1:24:41] is another one we talked about cover
[1:24:43] over the driving range with um like they
[1:24:46] have at uh several driving ranges then
[1:24:49] the uh
[1:24:51] top golf is where they have it and um a
[1:24:54] lot of people like to go that do that
[1:24:55] and it tells you everything really. It
[1:24:56] tells you how far high you hit the ball
[1:24:58] off your club head speed it tells you
[1:25:00] everything. So there's ways we can
[1:25:02] possibly do this too and we're looking
[1:25:04] into that. We've reached out to some
[1:25:05] other golf courses that have it and see
[1:25:07] how works for them and we're finding
[1:25:08] some good information.
[1:25:10] Um, attracting new golfers. This is what
[1:25:13] we do and um, new player orientation.
[1:25:16] It's important to just teach people
[1:25:17] about golf and how to get a tea time and
[1:25:19] where to put your clubs and where to
[1:25:21] come into the pro shop. We've done some
[1:25:23] really nice upgrades in the pro shop.
[1:25:25] Um, the event pad for weddings and
[1:25:27] things like that. We've had weddings and
[1:25:28] some hospital events and things like
[1:25:30] that. This is another This is another
[1:25:32] important area that we talked about
[1:25:33] maintenance cost savings. We think
[1:25:35] there's some movement here that we can
[1:25:37] make that will really help us.
[1:25:38] Autonomous mowing. That's a very
[1:25:40] important thing. I think that uh we had
[1:25:42] one come out there and I've got other
[1:25:44] slides that we'll talk about this as we
[1:25:45] go, but uh there's some ways to save
[1:25:48] money there. Um back to desert, there's
[1:25:50] some other get rid of some grass areas.
[1:25:53] We've identified between 15 and 20 acres
[1:25:55] where we could remove turf and save
[1:25:57] water and just herbicides, pesticides,
[1:26:00] fertilizer, and all that good stuff. Um,
[1:26:02] irrigation system, there's challenges
[1:26:04] obviously with it. We have and the older
[1:26:06] holes are the most important ones. It's
[1:26:08] a the interior holes that have been
[1:26:10] there for 50 years of old pipe. That's
[1:26:12] same challenges that we have in our
[1:26:14] streets basically where we'll have
[1:26:15] blowouts and you fix one and you have
[1:26:17] another one right after that. And
[1:26:18] there's a lot of new, like uh councelor
[1:26:21] Staley pointed out, there's a lot of new
[1:26:22] stuff in there. There's all the laterals
[1:26:24] are all new pipe and um the a lot of the
[1:26:27] sprinklers are new, but the main lines
[1:26:29] are still there, but we can take that
[1:26:30] hole by hole and take our worst holes
[1:26:32] first and try to fix those things. So,
[1:26:34] we think we can do we can still make it
[1:26:36] better [clears throat]
[1:26:38] within our budget in a lot of cases and
[1:26:41] um continue to bring something to
[1:26:42] council about what we want to do to make
[1:26:44] it even better. So, um, water storm
[1:26:48] water conservation is another slide I
[1:26:50] got in here that's important. Uh, um,
[1:26:52] and educate the the public on cart
[1:26:54] damage because there we have a lot of
[1:26:55] carts and get a lot of cart damage. And
[1:26:58] we're looking at replacing a lot of
[1:26:59] bunkers over, you know, getting rid of
[1:27:01] the grass in the bunkers. It'll speed up
[1:27:02] play and less maintenance, things like
[1:27:05] that. So, um, we're looking at doing
[1:27:08] keeping some the key ones that are in
[1:27:10] play and getting rid of some that aren't
[1:27:11] so much in play. This is about the
[1:27:13] autonomous mowing which I like I said is
[1:27:15] very important. We had one there for a
[1:27:17] month mowing number 11 fairway and
[1:27:19] really and it's pretty amazing. The
[1:27:21] whole time we had it there we didn't
[1:27:23] replace one blade on it even. So um it's
[1:27:26] just pretty impressive how these things
[1:27:27] work and I think um there early on
[1:27:31] people are like didn't think this is
[1:27:32] these were real and I said go down to
[1:27:35] Scottsdale and tell me about the cabs
[1:27:36] that are driving around streets with no
[1:27:38] people in them. So, it's the same thing.
[1:27:40] >> Mike, on the autonomous mowers, are you
[1:27:42] recommending that you will reduce your
[1:27:45] staff in order to to get these?
[1:27:47] >> Well, no. We once we get them in place,
[1:27:50] then we'll start not replacing people as
[1:27:53] they go. We're not going to lay people
[1:27:54] off to get these, but as we get to and
[1:27:56] we have money budgeted right now for a
[1:27:58] large mower. We want to start with that
[1:28:00] and see where it goes. But, and
[1:28:03] my son is at a golf course that had more
[1:28:05] of these. I'll bore you for a quick
[1:28:06] second, but he's at a golf course had
[1:28:07] more autonomous mowers than anybody in
[1:28:09] the world at one facility. And uh he
[1:28:12] didn't sell it on on replacing staff,
[1:28:15] but we're going to try to do it where we
[1:28:16] don't have as many people working. And
[1:28:18] we think we can do that once we get the main cost of doing this is getting
[1:28:22] the electric to charge them out in
[1:28:24] certain places because you have to get
[1:28:25] out on the golf course. But we have
[1:28:26] another benefit here that a lot of golf
[1:28:29] courses around the country, my where my
[1:28:30] kids at, they don't have the sunshine
[1:28:32] that we have. So we could do solar
[1:28:34] charging stations too and and they do
[1:28:36] have solar chargers for these too, but
[1:28:39] we could do solar charging stations if
[1:28:41] we had to to do some of that too. So
[1:28:43] there are some cost benefits there we
[1:28:45] think for us too. So um but we think
[1:28:47] it's a it's obviously the way of the
[1:28:49] future. Uh my son's been giving talks at
[1:28:52] these at the golf conferences for many
[1:28:53] years and the first ones I sat in people
[1:28:55] were like h yeah that's not going to be
[1:28:57] real. It's not going to happen. Well,
[1:28:58] now you go there to the conference,
[1:29:00] there's booths everywhere with
[1:29:01] autonomous. They have autonomous range
[1:29:03] pickers where it goes out and picks the
[1:29:04] driving range balls, dumps them into the
[1:29:07] ball washer and puts them back into the
[1:29:09] cage where you can't get them out.
[1:29:10] There's no people that working at your
[1:29:12] driving range in that. So, there's this
[1:29:13] has really come a long ways and you
[1:29:15] know, mo a lot of people aren't selling
[1:29:17] it about replacing labor, but we think
[1:29:18] there are some definite labor savings in
[1:29:21] time. I hope I answered your question.
[1:29:25] I I guess I was just looking at how it
[1:29:28] was going to save money investing in new
[1:29:31] mowers. So, it won't until years down
[1:29:34] the road when you get when you lose
[1:29:35] those,
[1:29:36] >> you know, it was it depends how much you
[1:29:38] want to invest and how early, but
[1:29:39] >> we have $100,000 budgeted right now for
[1:29:42] a large mower that we're looking at
[1:29:43] trying to get some autonomous mowers and
[1:29:46] start in key areas. And um we really
[1:29:49] think we can do a lot with this over
[1:29:51] time. So it wouldn't be instant savings
[1:29:54] but
[1:29:55] in time it would be pretty substantial
[1:29:57] savings we feel. So um anyway that's so
[1:30:02] I don't know if I answered your question
[1:30:03] good enough but that's kind of what it
[1:30:05] is. So um and back to desert areas. This
[1:30:09] is something that we've we've started on
[1:30:10] obviously in my time here and we think
[1:30:12] there's a lot of potential to do more.
[1:30:14] We, like I said, we've identified
[1:30:15] between 15 and 20 acres where we can get
[1:30:17] rid of, you know, between the T and the
[1:30:20] fairway doesn't have to all be grass.
[1:30:22] Par three holes don't have to have
[1:30:24] fairways. You know, you're supposed to
[1:30:26] on a par three, you're supposed to be
[1:30:27] able to hit the ball from the tea to the
[1:30:29] green.
[1:30:30] So, we'll have a pretty large landing
[1:30:32] area in front of the green maybe and get
[1:30:34] rid of all the grass between the tee and
[1:30:36] that area. So, um, and we're not the
[1:30:39] only golf course doing this type of
[1:30:41] thing. There's a lot of them doing it.
[1:30:42] And if you look at the waste management
[1:30:44] course where the waste management's
[1:30:46] played, they have a lot of desert areas
[1:30:47] and desert areas aren't uh
[1:30:50] maintenancefree. There's still some
[1:30:51] maintenance involved in it, but you'd
[1:30:52] save a lot of water, pesticides,
[1:30:54] fertilizer, mowing, all that. So,
[1:30:57] there's a lot of savings there. We think
[1:30:59] um this explains it a little bit and how
[1:31:02] much we would save sprinkler wise just
[1:31:04] um starting on we're we're going to
[1:31:06] start on this. We've already done some,
[1:31:07] but we're going to do some more of it
[1:31:08] this winter. like number 10 is a par
[1:31:11] three, number 14 is a par three. Then
[1:31:13] we're going to take the sod that we peel
[1:31:15] up from that and put it in the bunker
[1:31:17] areas that we're going to be getting rid
[1:31:18] of the sand so there's less maintenance
[1:31:20] there, less less manh hours working on
[1:31:23] that, too. So, um, we'll be repurposing
[1:31:26] a lot of that. Um,
[1:31:29] turf out, these are some of the areas
[1:31:31] that we've done already just to show
[1:31:33] pictures of it. And irrigation is
[1:31:35] another thing. I've had this on here
[1:31:36] before. where we know when to water. The
[1:31:38] turf canopy temperatures get to 138
[1:31:40] degrees. Very hot here. We have cool
[1:31:41] seasoned grass, so it's a challenge. Um,
[1:31:44] we do use moisture meters to tell us
[1:31:46] when to water. Uh, and there's four
[1:31:49] separate irrigation systems, which I
[1:31:50] talked about, which is a challenge, too.
[1:31:52] And our our irrigation is all run off a
[1:31:54] city water pressure, not pipes that keep
[1:31:57] the consistent water pressure, which is
[1:32:00] what
[1:32:02] an expensive irrigation system would be
[1:32:04] where we looped them all together and
[1:32:05] we'd have one irrigation system, which
[1:32:07] mean putting pipes under streets and
[1:32:09] linking them all together. So, um, but
[1:32:12] we obviously have been working with this
[1:32:13] for a long time like it is and we can
[1:32:15] continue to do this. Um, irrigation
[1:32:18] runtime audits, these are important,
[1:32:19] too. We do this every day to so we're
[1:32:22] not using too much water obviously. And
[1:32:24] um storm water retention is another one
[1:32:26] where we all that rain that we had just
[1:32:28] lately none of the water left the golf
[1:32:31] course. It really all stayed in our
[1:32:33] storm water retention areas. This is
[1:32:34] where we've added them over the years.
[1:32:36] And what it does good, it keeps gets the
[1:32:38] course playable the day after it rains.
[1:32:41] So um we we that's worked out really
[1:32:45] well. And these are some areas where we
[1:32:46] have it. Um, and this is just an action
[1:32:49] item recap. So, all the stuff that I've
[1:32:51] kind of talked about, and this is the
[1:32:52] second to the last slide with all of
[1:32:54] that, what we're going to do and when
[1:32:56] we're going to come back to you with
[1:32:58] what days and all that. So, um, with
[1:33:02] that,
[1:33:07] thank you. And, um, I'd be happy to
[1:33:08] answer any questions or take any
[1:33:10] suggestions. and um like I said, we we
[1:33:14] worked hard on trying to go through his
[1:33:16] presentation and all that he had and uh
[1:33:19] bring this to you. So,
[1:33:21] >> thanks Mike. Actually, you know, when
[1:33:24] they started uh this Bill Street bypass
[1:33:26] and they were adding that lane coming
[1:33:28] back this way, it was such a
[1:33:29] disappointment to hear they were going
[1:33:30] to put a wall up for noise level. And I
[1:33:32] understand for the citizens that live
[1:33:33] along the golf course, but one of the
[1:33:36] most amazing things when you came up
[1:33:37] over the hill and you saw that beautiful
[1:33:39] green course, you thought this is pretty
[1:33:42] neat town.
[1:33:43] >> I liked it. But anyway, you mentioned
[1:33:45] it. Thanks for the report. Um
[1:33:48] councilors, councelor Dykins, start with
[1:33:50] you.
[1:33:52] If I am a season passholder, what what
[1:33:56] benefit is it for me to buy a season
[1:33:58] passholder versus not?
[1:34:01] >> Because you can play as much as you want
[1:34:03] to anytime you want to as long as
[1:34:06] there's a tea time available. If you're
[1:34:08] not a season passholder, then you have
[1:34:09] to pay every time you play. And
[1:34:12] obviously the fees are a lot.
[1:34:15] The problem with our season passes is
[1:34:17] they're such a good deal and some people
[1:34:19] play a heck of a lot where they get
[1:34:21] their round of golf down to about $5 a
[1:34:23] round. $10 a round instead of $65 a
[1:34:27] round. So you see what I'm saying? They
[1:34:28] can play as much as they want. Seven
[1:34:30] days a week, two times a day. They can.
[1:34:32] So, and but but what we're talking about
[1:34:35] doing with um tea times, charging more
[1:34:38] early, that's going to let us know and
[1:34:41] it's going to let them know too about
[1:34:44] how valuable the tea times are.
[1:34:46] >> Well, that actually leads me into the
[1:34:49] question. Um
[1:34:52] so, if you're a season pass holder,
[1:34:54] you're already getting a deal. Mhm.
[1:34:56] >> So you're in the thing it says
[1:35:00] to be fair to current season passholders
[1:35:05] 14 days to day of no booking fee.
[1:35:09] My point is and I don't fully understand
[1:35:12] that but the point is if you're a
[1:35:16] seasoned passholder you're already
[1:35:18] getting a deal. Why should we be giving
[1:35:20] them another deal
[1:35:23] with not having to pay for a booking
[1:35:27] fee?
[1:35:28] >> Well, the reason I say that for this is
[1:35:30] for the first year because they've
[1:35:32] already bought their season pass knowing
[1:35:34] that they can book it whenever they want
[1:35:36] and not have to.
[1:35:39] So, they've already paid for that. All
[1:35:41] of them that have them now have paid for
[1:35:43] that. And once we implement this, then
[1:35:46] they'll know that going forward it's
[1:35:48] going to be a booking fee to get a prime tea time.
[1:35:51] >> So when when is a season pass good for
[1:35:54] >> from the day you purchase it? It's
[1:35:56] >> from the day you p purchase it till
[1:36:00] >> the that day the next year.
[1:36:02] >> So it goes 365 days. So, somebody could
[1:36:06] go out and buy a season pass to
[1:36:08] tomorrow.
[1:36:09] >> Mhm.
[1:36:10] >> And they're not going to have to pay the
[1:36:13] uh
[1:36:15] >> the booking fees for a full year.
[1:36:18] >> But then they won't have to pay it if
[1:36:19] they wait till the 14 days. That's going
[1:36:21] to be from 90 days to 14 days. That's
[1:36:24] just for people that want to book early
[1:36:25] to be sure they get a tea time on
[1:36:27] Saturday morning. You see what I'm
[1:36:29] saying? So, they'll still be able to Not
[1:36:31] everybody's going to pay the $40. So
[1:36:32] there's still going to be tea times
[1:36:34] available 14 days which it is now.
[1:36:37] >> So So when is that deal going to stop?
[1:36:40] >> Well, we're going to go the next year we
[1:36:42] would make it so it's goes to 7 days. So
[1:36:44] we if they want to get a tea time and
[1:36:46] for sure they get a tea time. They got
[1:36:48] to pay that booking fee up to seven days
[1:36:50] and then if the course isn't full from
[1:36:53] people paying the $40 then they'll be
[1:36:55] tea times available.
[1:36:57] >> All right. I have more questions with
[1:36:59] that but I'll just talk to you after the
[1:37:00] meeting on that one. Um
[1:37:08] you you you said in your presentation
[1:37:11] that 6 to 11 is the prime time. Should
[1:37:16] we be charging more between the hours of
[1:37:19] 6 to 11 than like you said 12 to
[1:37:23] whenever?
[1:37:24] >> Well, and that's kind of what this is
[1:37:26] going to do. This implementing this fee
[1:37:28] is going to do that. Okay.
[1:37:29] >> It's going to tell us how valuable those
[1:37:31] times really are
[1:37:33] >> if people
[1:37:34] >> Well, you already know how valuable they
[1:37:35] are.
[1:37:36] >> Well, not really because people aren't
[1:37:37] having to pay extra to do it.
[1:37:38] >> Okay.
[1:37:39] >> So, [laughter] they just are that's our
[1:37:41] busiest time. We're full and um so we
[1:37:44] know that they're pretty valuable, but a
[1:37:45] lot of them are seasoned passholders
[1:37:47] that are using them, too. So,
[1:37:50] >> then it it also says on when things are
[1:37:53] going to be done. Some stuff will be
[1:37:55] immediate, some uh 30 to 60 days.
[1:38:00] When does the clock start?
[1:38:02] >> Well, the for the rates and things like
[1:38:04] that, we have to bring it back to
[1:38:05] council and get council approval. So,
[1:38:06] that's the stuff that's going to be 30
[1:38:08] to 60 days. The stuff that's immediate
[1:38:10] is stuff that we could start right now.
[1:38:12] It doesn't have rates tied to it. So,
[1:38:15] we're going to start We've already
[1:38:16] started that.
[1:38:17] >> Okay. Well, that that's really my
[1:38:18] question. We've heard over a month that
[1:38:21] there's things that you could start
[1:38:23] immediately
[1:38:24] >> and we've done that
[1:38:24] >> and that that was my question. Have you
[1:38:26] really started it or are you waiting for
[1:38:29] council to vote on something to before
[1:38:32] you start?
[1:38:32] >> Well, the rates that that's what we're
[1:38:34] going to wait on. We're going to bring
[1:38:35] it back to you about the rates that we
[1:38:36] want to implement and then you'll vote
[1:38:38] on those. But we've already started on
[1:38:40] the database. I mean 16,000 we've got
[1:38:42] and we started on we got the POSOS
[1:38:44] system pretty much dialed in where we're
[1:38:46] gathering all the data and be able to
[1:38:48] send emails out to those groups. Um so
[1:38:52] we've started on a lot of it. Anything
[1:38:53] that that says immediately we've started
[1:38:55] on
[1:38:56] >> and I may have been trying to dig
[1:38:58] through stuff as you were talking the proposed in in the presentation
[1:39:05] originally was to send out a newsletter
[1:39:08] monthly.
[1:39:09] >> Mhm. Has that started?
[1:39:11] >> It hasn't started, but we're we're
[1:39:13] working on it and going to start very
[1:39:15] shortly to get it out. We already sent
[1:39:16] it to our commission members. So, we're
[1:39:18] going to basically change that one up
[1:39:20] just a little bit and send it out to our
[1:39:22] email database and then we're also going
[1:39:24] to post it in the clubhouse.
[1:39:26] >> Okay.
[1:39:27] I'll talk to you after the meeting for
[1:39:29] the rest.
[1:39:30] >> Thank you, Councelor Dikkins.
[1:39:34] » Vice Mayor,
[1:39:35] >> thank you.
[1:39:41] This report was full of information. I I
[1:39:44] will give you that. Some of the things
[1:39:47] that I really, really, really want is I
[1:39:50] councelor Dykens uh alluded to it.
[1:39:56] Council has given direction to the golf
[1:39:58] course that we want to move the needle
[1:40:01] and that is no that that is no secret.
[1:40:05] So, I feel like um current and ongoing
[1:40:09] in the presentation is a little
[1:40:11] lackluster for me. I want to know like
[1:40:15] my question was going to be have you
[1:40:16] started the newsletter? When did it go
[1:40:18] out? The things that are current, what
[1:40:20] does current mean to you? Um I I love
[1:40:24] the prime tea times uh information that
[1:40:27] you're you're looking at that. But when you say that, you know, it's
[1:40:31] current or ongoing or um we're we're
[1:40:34] working on that, those aren't the things
[1:40:37] as a council member that's going to move
[1:40:39] the needle. I we've got to identify and
[1:40:43] I think that's why I was so harsh on JJ
[1:40:46] when he was here. Um I I I want
[1:40:51] tangible, measurable
[1:40:54] action items that are going to move the
[1:40:56] needle. So, let's talk about social.
[1:40:59] media. I think
[1:41:00] we are missing the mark. It's it's it's
[1:41:04] improved, but I think we're missing the
[1:41:06] mark on social media. We've got to get
[1:41:08] somebody that can get us some traction
[1:41:10] on social media. I want to see we have
[1:41:14] drones in the fire department. We have
[1:41:16] drones in the police department. We have
[1:41:18] I want to see flyovers of our golf
[1:41:20] course. If people can't see our golf
[1:41:22] course as they're driving through
[1:41:25] I40, they should be able to see our golf
[1:41:28] course and every aspect of our golf
[1:41:30] course. Um, from the beautiful views of
[1:41:34] the lava loop to the the holes that are
[1:41:37] along the freeway and the and now that
[1:41:39] we've got our golf course in in such
[1:41:41] great condition, it's prime time that we
[1:41:45] take it out to the masses and we start
[1:41:47] showing it off. I want to see I want to
[1:41:50] see Mike the pro go out and I want to
[1:41:52] see him do a video. I want to see him
[1:41:56] have play around with GoPro. I want to
[1:41:58] These are the things that are going to
[1:42:00] give us the the attention that we need
[1:42:03] because we do have that wall up and now
[1:42:05] people can't see our beautiful golf
[1:42:07] course. So you have to imagine where are
[1:42:09] people going to see our golf course?
[1:42:11] They're going to see it in media.
[1:42:13] They're going to see it on social media.
[1:42:15] So, we have to have somebody on staff or
[1:42:18] somebody um you know, maybe it's Sarah
[1:42:20] that you borrow for, you know, a while
[1:42:23] to do some some videos. Um so, I think
[1:42:27] social media is where we can get our
[1:42:30] biggest bang for our buck and that's
[1:42:33] where we're going to start building our attraction. The other thing with the
[1:42:38] database in the database you say it's
[1:42:40] current and ongoing. What are you doing
[1:42:42] with that database? Are you create I I
[1:42:45] know you said you were creating a
[1:42:46] newsletter, but what else are you doing
[1:42:49] to leverage that database? All the
[1:42:51] people that come from out of town, are
[1:42:53] you capturing all their information? And
[1:42:56] are you creating just a list of people
[1:42:59] that you can push information to from uh
[1:43:02] you know, people that are living in
[1:43:03] Phoenix when it gets too hot down there,
[1:43:06] people that you know are going to visit
[1:43:07] Laughlin. So, I I really feel like this although it was very comprehensive,
[1:43:14] I just I I want I I want tighter
[1:43:18] timelines. There's so many things that
[1:43:20] could be put into place um immediately.
[1:43:23] And I guess that's more of what I was
[1:43:25] looking for is an action item marketing
[1:43:27] plan. Um so, you know, are we offering
[1:43:31] practice rounds with every tournament uh
[1:43:33] registrant before they go play? you
[1:43:35] know, are we are we doing that to keep
[1:43:37] them at the golf course, which then
[1:43:38] feeds our our bar and grill? So, I mean,
[1:43:41] those are some questions. Uh, are we
[1:43:44] advertising to attract new golfers? Um,
[1:43:48] I I can meet with you offline because I
[1:43:50] have I have notes for days. I just I
[1:43:55] feel like we're just we're we're missing
[1:43:57] it and we're we're in an immediate
[1:44:00] situation here where we are wanting to,
[1:44:04] you know, boost those revenues. Have we
[1:44:06] created packages with maybe the local um
[1:44:08] hotel hotel motel to where if they come
[1:44:11] play a round of golf, you know, the
[1:44:14] hotel will, you know, do something with
[1:44:16] the room rate. So, so those are kind of
[1:44:18] the things that that I talked to JJ
[1:44:20] about that I I would like to see. We
[1:44:23] we've got to take an outofthe- box
[1:44:25] approach. Flyers and and you know,
[1:44:28] handouts and brochures are just not
[1:44:31] going to do it. We've got to have more
[1:44:32] of a presence um with video. Do we have
[1:44:34] a YouTube channel? You know, when TKO
[1:44:37] comes to town and he wants to play golf
[1:44:39] on the golf course, why aren't we
[1:44:40] videoing that? Why aren't we asking TK
[1:44:43] to hashtag, you know, Kingman Golf
[1:44:45] Course? Those are some things that are
[1:44:48] going to bring people to our course. And
[1:44:51] that's what I'm looking for. So, take
[1:44:54] all those comments. I I'm happy to to
[1:44:57] sit down with you and and go more into
[1:44:59] it because I know council probably
[1:45:00] doesn't want to hear, but I I like the
[1:45:03] information. This is a a good start. Um
[1:45:06] I just I want to see some more immediate
[1:45:08] action and I I understand you have to
[1:45:10] bring feeds back, but there's a lot of
[1:45:11] things that you can implement and put
[1:45:13] into practice immediately.
[1:45:16] And I can touch base touch on a couple
[1:45:18] of those just for now really. And I've
[1:45:20] talked to Sarah about this already. And
[1:45:22] so that's we've started on it already.
[1:45:25] So, you know, she's going to do some
[1:45:27] stuff and we've got drone coverage, but
[1:45:29] we have to get the verbiage written for
[1:45:30] to show what the drone sees.
[1:45:32] >> That's fine.
[1:45:32] >> So, we we've got a lot of that in place
[1:45:34] already. We're working on it. And a lot
[1:45:36] of some of you may not know that our
[1:45:38] golf professional, Mike, was a sports
[1:45:41] writer for a long time before he came
[1:45:43] back in the golf business. So, we feel
[1:45:45] like there's potential there to get him
[1:45:47] to do some writing and things like that.
[1:45:49] Then
[1:45:50] >> get him to do video. Writing is static.
[1:45:53] You've got to do video.
[1:45:55] >> Yeah.
[1:45:55] >> And we've done some of the videos
[1:45:57] already and not of golf, not of him
[1:45:59] golfing, but um we've got
[1:46:01] >> we have done some videos of repairing
[1:46:04] things and ball marks and things like
[1:46:05] that. So, but we will try to do more of
[1:46:08] that. If he can we can get him to hit
[1:46:10] the ball straight. We'll get a picture
[1:46:11] of that. Get a video of that and have
[1:46:12] him do that. If he hits the ball
[1:46:14] straight once, you can repeat that clip
[1:46:16] over and over and over. He just has to
[1:46:19] hit it once.
[1:46:20] >> I I'm just I'm very passionate about the
[1:46:22] golf course and I'm very passionate
[1:46:24] about
[1:46:25] >> that asset that the city has and we need
[1:46:28] to leverage it in every way possible.
[1:46:31] So, um I hope you don't take my comments
[1:46:33] as being negative because I'm I I just
[1:46:36] am very passionate and you guys are
[1:46:38] doing a good job. The course is in great
[1:46:40] condition. I I just I I want to see I
[1:46:44] want to see some some less I'm we're
[1:46:46] working on it and some more. Here's what
[1:46:48] we've done.
[1:46:49] >> That's what I want to see.
[1:46:50] >> And and I think we have done quite a bit
[1:46:52] but not everything. But the uh the
[1:46:53] hotels a lot of times what they want to
[1:46:55] do is for us to discount the golf to get
[1:46:57] people into their hotels. So we have
[1:46:59] talked to some of them and that's kind
[1:47:00] of the general. [snorts] It's not them
[1:47:03] discounting the rates, it's us
[1:47:04] discounting the golf. So, and you know,
[1:47:08] we can try that, but we think maybe we
[1:47:10] say
[1:47:10] >> I'm not asking anybody to discount
[1:47:12] anything. I'm just asking you to put we
[1:47:14] have a golf course that we know is worth
[1:47:16] playing at the rate that people pay.
[1:47:19] It's underval it's under underpriced and
[1:47:22] we have hotels that are not metro
[1:47:25] pricing. So, you just put a package
[1:47:27] together and make it easy for someone to
[1:47:29] book a whole weekend. I'm not asking for
[1:47:31] you to discount anything. I'm just
[1:47:33] asking you to work with the hotel yours
[1:47:35] and put packages together that then we
[1:47:37] can push out and say, "Hey, come to
[1:47:38] Kingman. We've got this package already
[1:47:40] for you." So that's that's it,
[1:47:42] >> right?
[1:47:44] >> All right. I think I've answered the
[1:47:45] rest of the stuff that I had answers
[1:47:47] for.
[1:47:47] >> You did a great job. Thank you, sir.
[1:47:49] >> Thank you, Vice Mayor.
[1:47:50] >> One more comment if I could.
[1:47:52] >> Yes. Go ahead. It it sounds like we're
[1:47:54] micromanaging, but honestly, maybe we
[1:47:57] should be for the fact that for years
[1:48:00] we've been losing $500,000 a year and
[1:48:03] it's time that that change. And so if it
[1:48:06] takes micromanagement, maybe it's
[1:48:09] necessary. But even with some of the
[1:48:12] things that you say, well, we've we've
[1:48:14] done this, we're we've started this,
[1:48:17] that doesn't say what. So, a thought I
[1:48:20] just had was instead of coming back
[1:48:23] every two weeks reporting on what you've
[1:48:25] done, maybe a simple email to the
[1:48:28] council members saying, "Hey, we've
[1:48:30] reached this roadblock and we've done
[1:48:32] this and the newsletter just went out
[1:48:35] yesterday." Um, you know, 30 days ago we
[1:48:38] talked about a newsletter and one hasn't
[1:48:40] been made. I used to make newsletters,
[1:48:43] so I know,
[1:48:44] >> yeah,
[1:48:45] >> it's possible. what's when's the
[1:48:48] deadline? You know, when is that pro
[1:48:51] going to write it? You know, various
[1:48:53] things like that. If you at least report
[1:48:55] it to us,
[1:48:57] you know, in an email,
[1:49:00] I think you might see a few of us a
[1:49:03] little more satisfied with. Okay. Yeah,
[1:49:05] we are seeing progress.
[1:49:08] >> Well, he's going to write that tonight
[1:49:09] when he gets home and uh we're going to
[1:49:12] email it out. We'll email it to all of
[1:49:13] you, too. So, uh, anyway, we're we are
[1:49:17] we've been working on and like I said,
[1:49:19] we already do it for our commission
[1:49:20] members. So, it's not like it's
[1:49:22] rewriting the whole thing. It's just
[1:49:23] being one that's more tailored to the
[1:49:25] golfers instead of just the commission
[1:49:27] members. So, we do it for the commission
[1:49:29] members and uh so I think it's very
[1:49:32] doable and like I said, we're we are
[1:49:35] working on it. So,
[1:49:38] >> thank you councelor councelor actually
[1:49:40] councelor I think councelor si has been
[1:49:42] waiting. Did you want to go first Jamie?
[1:49:44] Is it okay?
[1:49:44] >> Yeah. Okay.
[1:49:46] >> Thank you.
[1:49:46] >> No, you're welcome.
[1:49:47] >> Uh I made notes so I wouldn't forget
[1:49:49] some of the things. Okay. So
[1:49:52] I I'm a little confused by this
[1:49:56] presentation and JJ's presentation
[1:49:59] because what we asked for was a
[1:50:01] marketing plan. Exactly for the reasons
[1:50:04] uh what the vice mayor explained. Uh we
[1:50:07] need a we need a modernized marketing
[1:50:10] plan for the golf course. That isn't all
[1:50:13] these other things. That is literally
[1:50:15] what are you going to be putting on
[1:50:16] social media.
[1:50:19] Almost no one knows about the grill
[1:50:21] except the people that are golfers. They
[1:50:24] there was an article that hit social
[1:50:26] media and the majority of the comments
[1:50:28] were I didn't even know there was a bar
[1:50:31] and restaurant there. They didn't know
[1:50:33] it existed. That's a problem and that's
[1:50:36] why your grill isn't turning a profit.
[1:50:40] So, what we asked for was a marketing
[1:50:42] plan to address those kind of things. I
[1:50:44] don't think the majority of the town
[1:50:46] knows that you can have a wedding or an
[1:50:47] event at the golf course. They they
[1:50:50] really don't know what's there. And and
[1:50:52] that's part of my problem with spending
[1:50:54] city funds on the golf course is because
[1:50:58] it is a very exclusive
[1:51:01] park. It's not for everybody.
[1:51:04] If you're not currently using it, you
[1:51:06] don't know there's a grill. You don't
[1:51:07] know you can have a wedding there. And
[1:51:09] it's it's really just for those people.
[1:51:10] And that's why I supported a marketing
[1:51:13] plan because we want to get more people
[1:51:16] using it and we want it to make more
[1:51:18] money. I think we've been so clear that
[1:51:20] the golf course needs to make more money
[1:51:22] and lower its its expenses, those two
[1:51:25] things. And so part of my confusion is
[1:51:28] that this is a lot of we want more money
[1:51:31] for the golf course to invest in it. And
[1:51:34] I don't think you have a majority here
[1:51:36] that's willing to spend money to cover
[1:51:39] the the TE's uh or sorry the driving
[1:51:42] range. I I just I don't think that we
[1:51:45] support I don't I'm not going to speak
[1:51:47] for everybody. I don't support raising
[1:51:49] up the billboard. The consultant that
[1:51:51] you brought in here said the billboards
[1:51:54] are a waste of money. Why? So, why would
[1:51:56] we do that? And I was hoping that your
[1:51:58] report tonight would specifically say,
[1:52:00] "We're going to make these changes and
[1:52:03] we believe that will increase the
[1:52:04] revenue by this amount or we're going to
[1:52:07] make this change and it's going to
[1:52:09] decrease our annual expenses by this
[1:52:11] amount." And this is more um it's just
[1:52:14] very vague. So, what I really want to
[1:52:18] know is how are these changes going to
[1:52:20] impact your budget so that we can look
[1:52:22] at reducing how much comes out of the
[1:52:24] general fund next year and in future
[1:52:26] years to get the golf course to be less
[1:52:29] of a drain on that general fund. I think
[1:52:31] the people who use it should be the ones
[1:52:33] that are paying for the majority of it
[1:52:35] through whether that's through the fees
[1:52:37] or getting more weddings in there or
[1:52:40] some kind of advertising, those kind of
[1:52:42] things. So that that is really what we
[1:52:45] need to be seeing is just down to the
[1:52:47] nitty-gritty. It's either going to make
[1:52:49] more money or it's going to help save
[1:52:51] money. That's why I was asking about the
[1:52:52] mowers. If you want to invest in mowers,
[1:52:56] then it should be because you're going
[1:52:58] to get rid of some of your staff and
[1:53:00] it's going to save money immediately.
[1:53:02] Not not in 10 years when that guy
[1:53:04] retires. That that isn't worthwhile in
[1:53:07] my opinion. And then um
[1:53:12] that's it. I think those are all my
[1:53:14] comments. I I I just want to talk about
[1:53:17] how we're going to get you to a place
[1:53:19] where you're using less money, less city
[1:53:22] funds.
[1:53:23] >> And if I could just touch on the
[1:53:25] $500,000 deficit, that $500,000 deficit,
[1:53:30] it was $300,000 in the past. And the
[1:53:32] reason it's 500,000 because we have
[1:53:34] invested money into the golf course. So
[1:53:36] it it it is and you know um we need to
[1:53:39] slow down maybe investing in capital
[1:53:41] stuff there too maybe. I don't know but
[1:53:43] and there's ways that we can do the
[1:53:45] range and the um like Top Golf has and
[1:53:48] things like that with where it's paid
[1:53:50] for by somebody else and we share in the
[1:53:52] revenue in that and that till it gets to
[1:53:54] the
[1:53:55] >> right but at the end they want
[1:53:57] >> they're going to pay the money that
[1:53:59] we've
[1:54:00] >> it will cost us
[1:54:01] >> the money that we've made off of it
[1:54:02] would could go into an account where we
[1:54:04] save it to pay that. So, I mean, and our range revenue has increased just
[1:54:10] with the lights.
[1:54:11] >> There's people out there almost every
[1:54:13] night hitting golf balls in the dark and
[1:54:15] with the lights and stuff. So, I mean,
[1:54:17] it is the the money we invested in the
[1:54:20] driving range is paying off and we're
[1:54:21] finding out that some of the other
[1:54:23] places that have it are really doing
[1:54:25] very well with it. So,
[1:54:26] >> you know, it's we're gathering that data
[1:54:28] right now. It's hard to get it all in,
[1:54:30] but we are getting it and um finding it
[1:54:33] and and there are things like I said the
[1:54:35] 60 to 90 days of stuff that we have to
[1:54:37] get we have to bring it back to council
[1:54:38] with we're going to want to raise the
[1:54:40] rates by this amount and
[1:54:42] >> so when you come back with those I hope
[1:54:43] that you will have some estimates of how
[1:54:45] that will affect your bottom line so
[1:54:47] that we know what we're looking for
[1:54:49] >> and and it we it's a little bit hard to
[1:54:52] put a number that we can put something
[1:54:53] to it because when you raise the rates
[1:54:55] sometimes you lose
[1:54:57] >> the people that were getting such a
[1:54:58] deal. We can do an estimate. Yeah.
[1:55:00] >> Okay.
[1:55:02] >> Thank you, councelor Sely. Councelor
[1:55:03] Ward,
[1:55:05] >> basically Mike, what I was expecting was
[1:55:08] what we're going to do and when we're
[1:55:09] going to do it and the timeline on how
[1:55:14] do you track do you track your budget
[1:55:17] monthly where you are to budget for the
[1:55:19] year?
[1:55:21] >> Yes. [clears throat]
[1:55:21] >> Do you make adjustments if you're over
[1:55:23] or do you just keep going?
[1:55:27] if we're o well we don't go over we stay
[1:55:29] within our budget and I think we do a
[1:55:32] good job of staying within our budget
[1:55:33] but we at the end we
[1:55:36] >> have to
[1:55:38] boost it up to get things and that's
[1:55:40] where it gets but we we we haven't
[1:55:42] really gone over budget in very many
[1:55:45] accounts really and in labor we end up
[1:55:48] saving money sometimes by people that
[1:55:51] will
[1:55:52] leave to go to other jobs and they don't
[1:55:55] get filled for several months and things
[1:55:57] like that sometimes. So we save there
[1:55:59] too. So
[1:56:00] >> So if you're not over budget, how do we
[1:56:02] lose money every year?
[1:56:04] >> How come at the end of the year we end
[1:56:06] up a half million dollars short?
[1:56:10] >> I'm just trying to figure out. So, it's
[1:56:13] a good question and I think um
[1:56:16] Councilman Ward, I think where you're
[1:56:17] going with two different two different
[1:56:20] looks at it, but um
[1:56:23] what what you're saying is okay, we've
[1:56:25] budgeted this much, we're going to buy
[1:56:26] this equipment, we're going to do these
[1:56:28] things, invest in the golf course based
[1:56:30] on this type of revenue. So, when the
[1:56:33] revenues are down, do we adjust? And
[1:56:34] generally I think um because it's been a general fund for you
[1:56:41] know for since it's existed we budget
[1:56:45] those things based on general funds. You
[1:56:47] know any of the expenses we have
[1:56:48] budgeted in the revenues we estimate
[1:56:50] those revenues and and we we usually
[1:56:53] estimate them pretty close to where
[1:56:54] they're going to end up. Um but
[1:56:58] >> I understand where you're going. They
[1:57:00] should be closer together as far as
[1:57:01] tying together. Where I'm going is it
[1:57:04] should be freestanding. It should be on
[1:57:06] its own. Just like the water on the
[1:57:08] where it has to pay for itself. If it
[1:57:10] don't, then we need to do whatever we
[1:57:13] need to do. Get rid of it. Put somebody
[1:57:16] else in there. I'm just saying. I I
[1:57:18] fully expected at this meeting for you
[1:57:20] to come here and say, "We've went
[1:57:23] through the report. This is what we
[1:57:25] found. This is where we're going to
[1:57:27] start this. This is where we're going to
[1:57:28] start this. And this is where we're
[1:57:30] going to start this." if it should not
[1:57:32] take you another 60 to 90 days to bring
[1:57:35] something to council on the rates. I I
[1:57:38] don't I I just think that's a ridiculous
[1:57:42] timeline, but that's all I'm going to
[1:57:44] say. I I'm I'm done. If I can clarify on
[1:57:48] the rates, I don't think it means he
[1:57:51] won't bring anything in 60 to 90 days.
[1:57:54] [clears throat] The time frame for
[1:57:55] raising the rates because we have to
[1:57:56] advertise and all that to actually have
[1:57:58] higher rates would be the 90s. So, so
[1:58:00] we'll have something well before that 60
[1:58:03] to 90 days.
[1:58:04] >> Okay. One other thing, um, when the
[1:58:07] report came out, uh, one of the things
[1:58:10] that I noticed was that the, uh, yearly
[1:58:15] passes are staggered
[1:58:17] instead of like starting January 1 and
[1:58:19] going to January 1. Are we going to
[1:58:21] change that?
[1:58:22] >> No, they're they're from the day you
[1:58:24] purchase it for 365 days.
[1:58:28] So your your revenue for this year goes
[1:58:31] into next year.
[1:58:34] >> Yeah. And revenue from the last year
[1:58:35] >> where if you went from from this date to
[1:58:37] this date, it would be within a year.
[1:58:40] That's all I'm saying. I most places if
[1:58:43] you have a yearly it's January to
[1:58:45] January.
[1:58:46] >> No. where I was at in in Michigan in
[1:58:48] Indiana where you have snow and winter.
[1:58:50] We did that where you signed up early to
[1:58:52] get your season pass if you paid in
[1:58:55] January but it was from January till the
[1:58:57] next December 31st then you would we
[1:59:00] would have it so you got a discount if
[1:59:01] you paid in January and if you waited
[1:59:02] till June to buy it but it was only it
[1:59:04] would be yearly. So there are some that
[1:59:06] do that but here we have golf all year
[1:59:08] so it's
[1:59:10] >> would be kind of hard to
[1:59:12] >> unless you unless you proate back first.
[1:59:15] So I was used to year
[1:59:17] >> and that that where where I was at
[1:59:19] before where it's winters, we have that
[1:59:21] too. So but this the way they've always
[1:59:23] done it here and I I still think it's
[1:59:25] pretty good. I mean you're just doing it
[1:59:26] for a year and
[1:59:29] >> Okay. Thank you.
[1:59:32] And also about making it so it pays for
[1:59:35] itself. I mean, um,
[1:59:38] our pools don't pay for themselves and
[1:59:40] our softball fields don't pay for
[1:59:43] themselves and the dog parks don't pay
[1:59:45] for themselves and you know, and I
[1:59:47] understand what everybody's saying that
[1:59:48] golf should, but we have a lot of events
[1:59:50] in our city that are, you're correct,
[1:59:53] but a lot bigger percentage of the
[1:59:55] people use those other facilities than
[1:59:57] use the golf course that are actually
[1:59:59] citizens and taxpayers of
[2:00:02] >> we're finding that 90% of Mars
[2:00:05] residents. So, so, so far that's what
[2:00:07] we've found. 10% are non-resident
[2:00:09] >> resop changes and gets better.
[2:00:11] >> Residents because of the way we do
[2:00:13] resident passes or residents actually of
[2:00:16] the city itself.
[2:00:18] >> Well, to get to get our rates now, you
[2:00:20] have to be a a water user. You have to
[2:00:22] have a
[2:00:23] >> I'm asking residents as water users or
[2:00:26] residents of the city?
[2:00:29] >> Water users.
[2:00:32] not residents of you can be wherever
[2:00:35] like Butler uses the city water so those
[2:00:38] people can get it but Golden Valley
[2:00:40] doesn't so those people don't get the
[2:00:42] resident rate so our resident rate has
[2:00:45] really tightened up a lot and we're
[2:00:47] seeing that in the
[2:00:47] >> but again they're not actual
[2:00:51] residents of Kangman
[2:00:54] >> well this and the reason the reason we
[2:00:56] haven't done that before is because we
[2:00:58] don't have a property tax if we had a
[2:01:00] city property tax and I would agree
[2:01:01] fully that anybody that lives in the
[2:01:04] city should get the just the resident
[2:01:06] rate and not everybody else. So, you
[2:01:08] know, but we don't have a property tax.
[2:01:10] So, that's kind of that's why it's been
[2:01:12] the way it is. So, and if that the
[2:01:14] council would like to change that, we
[2:01:15] could change that too. But,
[2:01:22] » okay.
[2:01:26] » Uh this question is for you, Tim. uh
[2:01:29] what is the process to change this into
[2:01:31] an enterprise fund? Is that something
[2:01:34] that we would tackle during the budget
[2:01:36] or is that something that the city needs
[2:01:39] to know long before the budget season so
[2:01:41] that you can prepare for it?
[2:01:47] » [laughter]
[2:01:48] >> I'm looking back at I I believe it would
[2:01:51] be something we would tackle at budget
[2:01:52] season, but definitely that's something
[2:01:54] that if that's the direction council
[2:01:56] would like to go, we can plan for that.
[2:01:59] >> I think it's worthwhile. I know you're
[2:02:01] still going to have to transfer money uh
[2:02:03] out of the general fund until it does
[2:02:06] break even, but the council would have
[2:02:08] more control over exactly how much is
[2:02:11] spent every year. and that money is
[2:02:14] doled out and then that's
[2:02:17] it. It it'd be a way of us reducing how
[2:02:20] much comes out of the general fund. So
[2:02:22] that I mean that just I know we're not
[2:02:24] talking about that tonight, but I just
[2:02:26] want to know that process.
[2:02:28] Is that true? Is that correct, Tina?
[2:02:30] Thank you,
[2:02:33] >> Councelor Savage.
[2:02:35] Thank you. Hi, Mike. Um
[2:02:38] I'm going to go against grain a little
[2:02:40] bit. I like the direction it's going. It
[2:02:41] may it's not something that can be paced
[2:02:44] quickly. I mean, yeah, we'd like to have
[2:02:46] it a little sooner than later, but
[2:02:50] knowing the way the database
[2:02:52] was misconfigured, very hard to retrieve
[2:02:56] and building the data back up does take
[2:02:58] time, especially with the non-residents.
[2:03:01] Um, the online marketing, the
[2:03:03] newsletter, get it going as soon as you
[2:03:05] can. I I firmly believe that will help a
[2:03:08] lot. I think maybe A DOT should paint us
[2:03:10] a mural alongside that wall so we have a
[2:03:13] golf course there. Um they did take that
[2:03:16] away from us. Um
[2:03:19] take into consideration what everybody's
[2:03:20] saying. I I'm a golfer. I know the
[2:03:24] route. Um I'm happy with where it's
[2:03:27] going. Whether or not everyone else is
[2:03:29] going to be it's it's going to take a
[2:03:31] little patience, but it's it's just
[2:03:34] apparently a short lease. But the top Golf or not the Top Golf, but
[2:03:39] >> Top Tracer,
[2:03:40] >> if someone pays for it upfront and we're
[2:03:42] revenue sharing to pay it off, I don't
[2:03:45] have a problem with that at all. I know
[2:03:47] Mike, I talked with Mike, he had a
[2:03:48] concern about the downtime of the
[2:03:50] driving range. So maybe that's something
[2:03:52] we can look at how that will affect the
[2:03:53] driving range, especially at night. Um,
[2:03:56] but you could have parties there,
[2:03:57] bachelor parties. There's so much that
[2:03:59] could be attractive to have that kind of
[2:04:01] addition there. I know I'd be there. I
[2:04:03] lived right across the street. So, um, I
[2:04:06] love the golf course and I don't want to
[2:04:08] see it be a desert wasteland at all. So,
[2:04:11] that's all I got to say.
[2:04:14] >> Okay, Mike, I have I think you have an
[2:04:17] idea of what we want.
[2:04:19] >> I think so.
[2:04:20] >> Um, varied opinions, but I appreciate
[2:04:23] all the comments. We appreciate all the
[2:04:25] comments. Some great comments tonight
[2:04:26] and we appreciate the report.
[2:04:28] >> Thank you all. I appreciate all of you
[2:04:30] and I appreciate your input and um and
[2:04:33] we don't have to wait till a meeting for
[2:04:34] you to give me a call and tell me ideas
[2:04:36] that you have. Anybody I appreciate the
[2:04:38] ideas and be happy to meet you at the
[2:04:40] golf course and go around and look at
[2:04:41] things and say, "Hey, can we do this or
[2:04:43] can we do that?" I'm always welcoming
[2:04:45] that. So, feel free to give me a call
[2:04:47] anytime and um be happy to meet with
[2:04:50] you.
[2:04:50] >> Well, I think one thing too is
[2:04:52] communication. Um I think you've heard
[2:04:54] that we a lot we want some better
[2:04:56] reporting
[2:04:58] >> so you know or at least put us on that
[2:05:00] list with the the commission members so
[2:05:01] that we're getting
[2:05:02] >> we'll do that for sure.
[2:05:03] >> Okay right from the get-go. So thank
[2:05:06] you.
[2:05:06] >> Thank you all.
[2:05:08] >> Okay. Item number six announcements by
[2:05:10] mayor council members and city manager.
[2:05:12] Walsh.
[2:05:14] >> Thank you mayor. Um couple of things.
[2:05:17] Annie gave me a post-it note and I left
[2:05:19] it in my office. So, I know we have Walk
[2:05:21] Away from Drugs coming up on the 21st.
[2:05:24] >> Oh, yeah.
[2:05:26] >> And Annie, what am I missing?
[2:05:28] >> We have coffee with the mayor this
[2:05:30] Thursday here in council chambers for
[2:05:32] anybody that would like to join. Special
[2:05:34] treat. Our deputy city manager will be
[2:05:37] sitting in on that with the mayor. We
[2:05:40] also are hosting the Tri City Council
[2:05:42] meeting at the end of this month in
[2:05:44] Kingman. So, that's an opportunity if
[2:05:46] people haven't had an opportunity to
[2:05:48] attend that. And the only other thing
[2:05:51] that I gave manager Walsh is that the
[2:05:54] kayak mural on the back of the Mojave
[2:05:57] wash wall is um complete. They're just
[2:05:59] finishing up the protective coating on
[2:06:02] that. So if you haven't had an
[2:06:03] opportunity um get out there and look at
[2:06:05] it. It is beautiful.
[2:06:08] >> Thank you.
[2:06:10] >> Actually, Annie, you said it all right
[2:06:12] there in that kite and that mural is
[2:06:13] amazing. So, I would Yeah, please get
[2:06:17] out there and take a look at it.
[2:06:19] Councelor Savage,
[2:06:20] >> I have nothing to report.
[2:06:22] >> Okay. Councelor Ward, Councelor Saley,
[2:06:26] Councelor Dykins, Vice Mayor,
[2:06:29] >> I do. I wanted to give um
[2:06:33] just a huge thank you to staff um for
[2:06:37] the magnificent uh ceremony and
[2:06:39] celebration of the opening of Flying
[2:06:40] Fortress yesterday. That was a great day
[2:06:44] for Kingman and you made it as special
[2:06:46] as it should have been. Um, on that
[2:06:49] note, uh, I have seen a comment on
[2:06:53] social media that it is the exit to
[2:06:55] nowhere. So, I will mention this that
[2:06:58] Rome was not built in a day. We are
[2:07:01] still working on the road out to the
[2:07:04] airport. However, we do have an
[2:07:06] interchange that was 50 years in the
[2:07:08] making, and that's worth celebrating.
[2:07:10] So, please enjoy the celebration of the
[2:07:13] opening of that part of town and um
[2:07:17] let's have a little grace.
[2:07:19] >> Got to start somewhere, right? That's
[2:07:22] right. Definitely. Thank you, Vice
[2:07:24] Mayor. Appreciate that. Um as I
[2:07:26] mentioned earlier, of course, a lot of
[2:07:27] activities going on. Um, I was able to
[2:07:30] on Saturday actually once again talking
[2:07:33] about our veterans, JAVC had a memorial
[2:07:36] service for three of our veterans that
[2:07:38] lived in our community
[2:07:40] but didn't really have family and it was
[2:07:43] actually a special memorial service they
[2:07:44] had on Saturday at at 4:00 at Journey
[2:07:47] Church and it was great to attend and I
[2:07:50] appreciate the invitation. I appreciate
[2:07:51] all that JVC does for our veterans. Um,
[2:07:54] good stuff going on.
[2:07:57] Um,
[2:07:59] what else? And of course, I told you
[2:08:01] about the young Marines.
[2:08:03] Sunday afternoon, I was able to go out
[2:08:05] and greet the air crew as they flew in.
[2:08:08] There was a number of crowd people out
[2:08:10] there. In fact, it was amazing how many
[2:08:12] there's probably over 100 citizens at
[2:08:13] least out there on Sunday afternoon just
[2:08:15] to see this B7 land at the airport.
[2:08:18] >> So, of course, I'm an airplane nut, so
[2:08:21] I'm going to mention it. But, um, it was
[2:08:23] a great thing. And of course in
[2:08:24] yesterday the fly over and once again as
[2:08:27] vice mayor said I echo what they said.
[2:08:29] Thank you staff for all that you've done
[2:08:30] for that to get that event across the
[2:08:33] finish line and such an amazing time
[2:08:35] yesterday. Couple of different things we
[2:08:37] do have coming up this weekend. The
[2:08:39] Kingman Route 66 street drags. Let's not
[2:08:42] forget that. Of course be careful in
[2:08:43] that area. Uh October 9th through the
[2:08:46] 11th. And then um October 16th and 17th
[2:08:51] we have the Route 66 fest at uh Lewis
[2:08:56] Kingman Park. So some great stuff coming
[2:08:59] up in our community. Please pay
[2:09:01] attention to uh either the website, go
[2:09:03] on to the city app on your phone and all
[2:09:06] these different things. You can see
[2:09:07] what's happening in our city. There is
[2:09:08] no reason for someone to say, "Well, I
[2:09:10] don't know what's going on." Yes. All
[2:09:12] you have to do is get plugged in, of
[2:09:15] course, and you can always unplug when
[2:09:17] you want, but if you want to know, this
[2:09:18] is what you do. So, appreciate all
[2:09:20] that's done in our city. That's all I
[2:09:22] have for tonight. Um,
[2:09:25] final thing, item seven, future council
[2:09:28] request for future reports and updates.
[2:09:31] Council, anything?
[2:09:34] Okay, it is a quiet evening then. Thanks
[2:09:37] one. Well, thank you all once again for
[2:09:38] being in council chambers tonight. We
[2:09:40] appreciate your particip participation
[2:09:43] and have a good evening and be safe
[2:09:44] going home.