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Pearlest times, such as this, we ask you not to win some of the world, but divine wisdom. God give us understanding, give us peace. God may remember everything we do. We have to get in the counter. So God, I pray tonight, we will live out what we call the golden moon. Do unto others as having, they have been doing to me. Father God, I pray especially for this council of those who have to make the decisions.

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And so God, you said it was to pray for him, so we lift him up to him right now, give him

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an understanding and God help him to realize that you're saying in your word, the greatest

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of all men will be servants to all, so God, I thank you for these servants.

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And I thank you for the congregation tonight, it helps to realize we're all in this thing together.

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And if we believe in such a divisive world, maybe we really live like King's children tonight.

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God, we ask Jesus to pray for your peace and for your understanding.

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We're going to give you our praise and Jesus' name will do for you, David.

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Amen.

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Thank you.

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Please join Council for the Pledge of Allegiance.

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I pledge allegiance to the Father of the United States of America and to the Republic of

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I'm going to go on an individual with the liberty and resources for all.

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Number four tonight is a motion to adopt the proposed agenda.

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Only emergency items will be added to the agenda.

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Emergency shall be defined and requested by the city manager.

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Upon approval of mayor and city council, that item will be added.

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Consent items will be adopted with a single motion, second and a vote.

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Unless a request for removal from the consent agenda is heard from a council member and with that council will be voting by hand tonight

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Can I get a motion? I make that motion to accept the agenda as written councilman J. Roads with the motion to accept and seconded by

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councilwoman and mayor pro-tem any times and

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a vote by show of hand

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And that is everybody. Thank you council number five tonight is citizen recognition

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In addition, persons wishing to appear before Council during this portion of the meeting are required to sign up prior to the start of the meeting.

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In an effort to maintain order and decorum, we would encourage speakers to be courteous and respectful while citizen input is heard.

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Please refrain from profanity and appropriate gestures, insults, personal attacks, or accusations.

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Citizens should not expect Council members to respond to their comments during the course of the meeting.

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If follow-up is needed, the mayor or presiding officer may ask the speaker to provide contact information to the city clerk so that staff may assist.

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In an effort to allow for a fair amount of time, each speaker will be limited to three minutes.

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Would that man and clerk as anyone signed up to speak tonight?

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Yes, sir. Catherine Bukta.

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Please state your name and your address for the record.

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My what? Your name and your address?

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My address.

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Yes.

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Like my street address?

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Oh, yes.

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My name is Catherine Bukta and I live in.

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Hello, everyone.

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Thank you guys for letting me speak tonight.

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My name is Catherine Bukta and I'm a senior at Thomas Jefferson Classical Academy.

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I just wanted to spread the word about the Abuse Prevention Council and my fundraiser

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that benefits it.

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The Abuse Prevention Council, or as we call it, the APC, is in Cleveland County and provides

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24-7 food, water, shelter, and more to survivors of domestic abuse.

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Recently, the grants have been pretty limited and seeing how prevalent abuse is everywhere

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the shelter is an absolute gem for our community.

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This is where my fundraiser, Blooms and Blessings comes into play.

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I started Blooms and Blessings in April of 2025 and initially I started with veggie boxes.

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What I realized was that people liked making other people happy as opposed to just serving

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themselves so glums and blessings evolved into more of a bouquet aspect. I start

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up by selling at random craft fairs that I found out Facebook and then moved on

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to the King's Mountain Commerce Market and school sponsored events. So far I've

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raised $5,000 to the abuse prevention council through glums and blessings and I'd

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loved to raise even more. You guys can directly help the abuse prevention council

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by scanning the QR code and everything. Thank you guys so much for your time and

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consideration. Thank you very much. Appreciate it.

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Jackson Clawner.

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Please state your name and your

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address for the record. My name is Jackson Clawner. My address is 803 Gamstree. I have a question and

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you don't have to answer but my question is does it intimidate?

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Any of you if I read your address up here? I'm not on the stand. He asked if it would. My address is 803 Gantt Street in King's Mount. My question is, would it intimidate any of you if I read your address up here? Because it's public record. I've got it all from the city. Yeah, I don't have an issue if council does. That's fine. That's fine. It's just rules. No rules for the not for me. I'm here to talk about AI data. And I say that because you know, I really think a little bit of that.

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that might be a little bit of intimidation

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to get up here and read your address.

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I'm not entirely sure while that's totally necessary,

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but I'll follow the rules like everybody else

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if I have to.

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And can I be, am I heard right now?

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It can be hard to hear.

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And my time started over if I can't be heard.

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You can still remember Nysha couldn't hear me,

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I'd love to.

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It's a little hard to hear, but.

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Jackson, little of my school, little bit of my life.

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It made bad people better out of me.

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Might have to put my mouth to it.

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That might be a spread of germs.

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I don't want to do that.

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I really think my time should be started over

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I'm here to talk about AI data, sorry, your time is up, Jay's alone, but thank you so much for coming.

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I'm just kidding, go ahead, we're starting on zero here with you.

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I'm here to talk about the AI data centers again, because it's only agenda again.

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I spent last week spending a lot of time talking to the agriculture advisory board to the county

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and talking to the solar and water director for the county.

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The agricultural advisory board with the help

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of the solar and water director of the county,

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that would be Jimmy Briggas.

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They're drafting a letter to send to the county commissions

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to express their deep concerns with AI data center.

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They have a lot of concerns about solar and water quality.

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They have a lot of concerns about availability

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of agricultural land.

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And I've asked Jamie to forward a copy of that message

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to city manager Todd Carpenter so that they can share that with all of you because I can't

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see any reason why that's not applicable to us here. I mean we're in Clinton County, you know.

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And they basically, they sort of align with me a little bit on how I feel about the issue that

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I think we're being misled. I think we're being told some untruths. They express to me that they do

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not necessarily believe in a closed loop system. They know that water's got to be discharged sometime.

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They're concerned about water treatment. That leads into soil quality, you know, and let me just be very clear right now

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I stay with the farmers in our community now with the big tech birds that want to come into our city and make billions of dollars

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Because that's exactly what they're going to do with our resources. It's make billions of dollars on our back

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And the farmers are just not excited about it wouldn't be and I'm with the farmers all the way and my question for

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council member Nostra who has voiced his approval for data center my question is

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what do you know that the farmers already do not? I said fair and honest

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question because if the people who are the backbone of our community I mean

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Cleveland County since its inception is an agricultural community if you

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don't know that you don't know much about Cleveland County and when these

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people come to me and express to me because I've voiced opposition to data

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and that they'd like to share this information.

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I'm definitely going to share it with you.

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I'm sorry, your time is up.

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I'm just kidding, go ahead, you have a one minute.

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There's no problem.

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Let me think about what I was saying.

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OK, so if the farmers in the communities

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are concerned about data centers, I'll tell you what,

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I'm very concerned about data centers.

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And I really am not ready to hit the green button on the thing.

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And I think you all should take the time to read the letter

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that they want to see and like I said they do not necessarily believe and I do not speak for the agricultural advisory board

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Director for the county so you should take it straight from me

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But from what I understand I got their blessing to speak on behalf of this today

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What I don't understand is how you could be for it right now

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When the agriculture advisory board is not for it. Thank you very much for your time today

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Can I have a question real quick?

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ask a question. Are you sure? I can't ask you a question.

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Yeah. Did the board give you any sort of

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ETA on when that letter supposed to be issued? I mean, I have a draft, but I don't want to give you guys a draft.

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No, no. You know, without their blessing. I just wanted to know if they think that the next

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county commission or meeting they'll have that. You know, they asked me what I thought about it.

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I told them I thought you should have seen it a year or two ago. You know, on size

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2020, but see, the agriculture advisory board did not even

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know that the county sent a letter to the city of King's Mound requesting that

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that would correct me if I'm wrong. They didn't even know that they sent that letter

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requesting that be taken out of the and eggs or however what I mean.

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Is everybody remember that and the county basically trying to get that property taken out of the city so they can start? Was your question answered? I don't know, yeah. Yeah, so probably at the next meeting, you'll be able to get it. But I've already asked Jackson to thank you. Appreciate it. Thank you. Yeah. Why Hoover?

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Please state your name and your new address.

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I'm here to tell you about what I think is a really cool event that I've planned at

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our property just up the street on Battleground Act.

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It's called the Veterans Family Day.

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It's kind of stemmed from, I'm actually here to enlist a little bit of support if I can find it from all of you behind me as well if you consider it essentially.

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We're going to kick the day off at 8 a.m. with a rock community rock from our property, which is the old Wells Fargo building for those of you that don't know the address.

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and we're gonna go to the Gateway Trail and back and then the rest of the day

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about 10 to 4. It's gonna be family focused with food trucks, sort of an

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artisan market, hopefully some vet support groups, a kid zone, a couple big inflatable

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giant slide, obstacle course, some partners are doing arts and crafts and cool

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things like that. This is a zero dollar event for me and not charging fees or doing

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sponsorships. The only thing that I ask of people who do participate is to be

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creative and think of something fun and interesting and engaging either for the

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kids who are going to be there or the vets and their families themselves. And so I

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do have one food truck spot remaining and some vendors' faces and mostly just

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need to get the word out. I have a Facebook event that you can invite people

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through and then there's a direct QR code on this which I emailed to Karen if you need

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that forwarded to you or I'd be happy to do so as well but just kind of getting the

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word out to the vets in the community to participate in the Ruck with us. We'd love to have

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the police and fire team out if they'd like to join and walk along too. Hopefully we'll

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I'll have a couple little random surprises for people

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at the top of Cardio Hill, if things work out.

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Just wanted to share that idea.

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but I come from a military family.

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My brother, I'm Zimri, and he works really closely deeply

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in the mental health and suicide prevention space.

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And this is not a mental health event for veterans.

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It's a community event for everyone, but the sort of underlying goal is to recreate

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and just have a day of that community that maybe we're missing from when we are in active

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duty and just doing my part to try to create that for the, so that's it, if you have any

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questions that we have in terms of.

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It's, sorry, it's an important good question, November 14th.

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So it's the Saturday after, after Veterans Day.

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Thank you very much.

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Thank you.

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I'm going to leave these out front.

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If anybody would like to grab one.

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One real quick question.

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Explain what a rook is.

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Oh yeah, a rook.

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So it's just what you got to quit.

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It's just walking with a heavy backpack.

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So it's a great event or activity for everyone.

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Because if you're in a wicked good shape,

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you can just have a really heavy backpack.

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And if you're not, you just don't have to wear a backpack, so it kind of evens out the speech for everybody.

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You know, you have little hills and stuff like that.

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Thanks.

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Thanks.

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I'll appreciate it.

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Christina Hildebrand.

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Hi, Christina Hildebrand, 446 Alex Dion's Drive.

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I just want to say, first of all, thank you for having the data center presentation two weeks ago.

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It was very informative.

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and I, you know, I feel like I have researched this topic up down and all the ways around.

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Each of the speakers shared something that I wasn't aware of or that I needed to think

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more about.

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So thank you for that.

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I will ask, I have sent two emails, I believe, I have also spoken to various council members

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asking that the work sessions or non-counting.

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Council meetings are live streams, so that those of us in recorded, so that those of us who, for example, what presentation was from, I think, one till five p.m., and the majority, I would say, of King's Mountain, maybe working during that time. I know there were some council members even that were supposed to be working. So, I really ask that you, at least the presentations, if you're not going to do every single work session or, you know, sub-meeting, then at least those types of presentations are live streamed.

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and presented so that they are a record for the public

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that's listening to this.

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If you want to copy of it, I reported it.

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It's a very large file, so I've been trying to upload it

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somewhere, but nothing wants to upload it.

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So I will put it out there at some point,

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but I would ask that we do that.

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I'm going to talk a little bit about 80 centers.

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I just wanted to make you aware of a New York Times article

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that came out about a week and a half ago

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that presented an environmental report

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from the Environmental Protection Network, which is made up of a number, I think it's

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20 plus former EPA officials, and they warned that air pollution from gas power plants

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So that is what both of the data centers I believe here are trying to install at least initially

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if not full term.

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They expect that those are to add at least $20 billion in annual healthcare costs by

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2028.

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So in a year and a half, $20 billion will be added in health care costs because of a data

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center gas-powered generators that include 600,000 cases of asthma predicted and 1,300

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premature deaths.

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And that's without President Trump's and the EPA's sort of mitigating and lowering standards.

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And I just ask, are you okay with that in our community?

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You're okay with those deaths and asthma rates and people getting sicker and sicker if we have data centers,

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AI data centers and large data centers here.

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I'm certainly not, as I have said before, will definitely move.

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The other thing I wanted to make you aware of is where I lived in California.

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I lived close to Moss Landing.

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I would ask each of you to look up Moss Landing.

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Moss Landing is where lithium batteries are housed when they're out of their life.

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There was a fire there two years ago.

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And then again, this year, the amount of smoke and deadly heavy metals that got put into the air

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and then got rained on all of us, and our vegetable patches, et cetera, et cetera was awful.

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And I would say that any of these data centers have just as much of the embattries in them.

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So that's another possible issue.

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I thank you, and thank you for letting me go over a bit.

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Thank you.

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Number

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6 tonight is mayor council member and city manager remarks council anything

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to share tonight councilman

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west had an opportunity to manage yesterday about the pickleball

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corpse and I know there's people that are interested in those and and he is working toward trying

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to find a location to put pickleball I know he'd like to have him downtown I would too

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But there's nowhere downtown to put them.

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So he is working on that.

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I did have a question about the bathrooms.

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At the times far, they're still locked.

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We needed somebody to lock those in the mornings,

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but that's he'll work that out, not me,

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but I know that he said the locks have been ordered

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and they came in and they were actually wrong.

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So for those of you who use that track

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and I know somebody do, that is in progress.

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So they'll get the locks and they'll get them implemented

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and they'll be on a timer.

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That's also a ask about the bathrooms at the Deals Creek Park.

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You have a time frame on when those will be completed?

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And I apologize.

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I should have asked for the shift day in person.

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I'm not trying to call you out in public.

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That's not my goal.

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But I just wouldn't.

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No.

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I don't.

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I don't actually have a time frame, but we're working diligently to make happen.

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We're sort of at the mercy of the engineering drawings that are coming by.

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Right.

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I know that one of the works director was leading with a company this week to talk about

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the point of the slide out and also about some sidewalks that we need to point out.

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We had a meeting on Friday and I don't know if he's back with him yet or not, but we're

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trying to get him here as fast as we can.

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I know, York.

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And I want to compliment you to Todd.

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I told him, I think we share yesterday and over talking.

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and not to knock anybody, and please don't anybody take it that way, but I've seen more

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progress and more movements that you've been here than I had last two city managers.

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So I appreciate all you do, and that's not knock anybody, but I really appreciate you.

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Thank you, Councilman.

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Mayer pro-temp. Any time? The one thing I'd like to say is I would like to commend the city manager on putting up the everything data center, webpage, great resource for council, and for citizens if we will use it. And it can lead. It has other resource links added to, but I just appreciate you taking the time and

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make that possible so that the citizens can look at it and read it and be informed with

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the information that we are getting in addition to other research that we are doing.

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But they have access to the same information that we have.

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And I just want to thank you for doing that in a short time in which you did it.

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Well, thank you, Mayor Protein.

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I hope it's helpful and I hope it's presented in an unbiased fashion.

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I don't think anybody here has made that their mind.

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I don't know about anything, we're going to the data centers.

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We're still diving deep into the pros and cons, the benefits, the concerns, everything

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associated with that data center.

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So as we learn, I'll promise you everything will be put out there for our public to partake

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in.

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Anyone else on council have anything to share?

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City manager, anything else?

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I want to echo a couple things that Jimmy West said. I was thinking about this yesterday

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and that is that sometimes movement can't be seen. And what you shared as far as the

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movement is absolutely did on. There are, there's an underbelly of things that are actually

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getting done. There's emotion of things that are put in motion. There's follow through.

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So you talk about LG times walking track, you know, there were people in our community

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that were very loud on social media about it, and it's not good for the city.

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It's a waste of money.

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Every morning when I dropped my son off at West School, there are at least 16 people.

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I've seen them in many as 20 something.

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And that's me with my eyes in that one moment saying, and the amount of people who are using

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it is very high.

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And I love that for the city.

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I want to commend our events in marketing department

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for the way they launched it to introduce it to the community.

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But Jimmy, well stated, because there are things happening

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in the community that are moving forward.

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And it would be easy to buy what you're reading online

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and go, oh, the mayor needs to go, he may need to go.

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But for now, he's here.

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So one more here.

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So, so for the time I'm here, yay.

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So I also want to commend the city for the 9-11 program that was that happened in Patriots

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That was a mind-blowingly touching well thought out as Gabriel in the room tonight.

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Gabriel Thomas from our events and marketing department communications, he had prepared

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We shared a video that showed some of our officers our chief and really talking about 9-11 and it personalized.

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It's very easy to do a 9-11 tribute and everyone's centered on New York City.

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It was the most Kings Mountain focused 9-11. You were there, honestly, so well done.

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And those are the things that, if you want to talk about progress, you go, how's that progress?

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How it's progress is you have people who are putting on these events and things of that nature and they're putting the

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residents in the city of Kings Mountain first and

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When I see that in an event like that that was outrageously touching

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Treesle Treesle Wingo

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Reverend House great to have you guys as well if I'm forgetting anybody and I know that our fire chief

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doesn't like to take a lot of

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He doesn't like to take a lot of ownership, he allows other people to kind of thrive.

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But he did so much to make that video in the end and put that whole event together.

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He's also not in the room, but if somebody who speaks to him will let him know amazing

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job well done, just mind-blowingly good.

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So a great job city of Kings Mountain.

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And now we move on to number seven program and project updates.

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I'll yield the floor to the chairperson from King's Mountain Redevelopment Commission.

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Mr. Dale Green.

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Good evening, Mr. Breyer.

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My name is Dale Green.

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I am the chair of the King's Mountain Redevelopment Commission, formally the King's Mountain House

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an authority and I come before you with excitement tonight and

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I really am pleased with where we're moving forward. Over the past couple of years, we've moved from a troubled status to now. We're in the black and we're making great strides. And I want to thank Veronica Williams, our interim executive director for all she's done to help us move forward. I also want to thank staff that are also President here today. I want to thank Annie Toms. We started an arduous task of trying to

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national search to locate with the assistance of Gans Gans and Associates, our new executive

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director. And I do want to say that since our social media warrior presence in the audience

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that we work with the council as partners, we don't work for the city manager. We don't

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work for the city of Kings Mountain. We receive no funding from the city of Kings Mountain.

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All of our funds come directly from HUD, and we take those and treat those like they're

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our very own.

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And with that, I'm pleased to announce we've located us a new executive director, and he

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is a native North Caroladian.

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We went on an astral search, only to find one from the Western Carolina Mountains, and with

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that, I'll turn the podium over to Mr. Robert Hooper and let him tell you a little bit about

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himself.

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and some of his thoughts and I ask if you have any questions, please ask them at this time and I hope that we'll continue to forge a good partnership in the coming months and as I move out of King's Mountain as a result of my personal tragedy, I just want to say thank you for everything, each of you have time for me and I will miss King's Mountain.

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Mr. Hayden, come on in a minute.

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Right.

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Good evening.

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Good evening.

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Mr. Mayor, members of Council.

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As Dale mentioned, my name is Robert Cooper.

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I am the new executive director of the King's Mountain

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Redevelopment Commission.

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Let me just start off by saying I'm so happy to be here.

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My family and I are so excited to be back here.

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My wife actually has some groups in the area.

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and they seem to be from Charitable.

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And she made sure she corrected my, my, my, my pronouncing the name Charitable.

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I am from Charlotte, North Carolina, originally, but we spent the last 15 years up in Astrid,

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okay.

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Currently, I'm a Kuwanis, I'm going to a Kuwanis Club president, and I worked for an agency

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in Henderson Bay, or called WNC Source, as the director of housing programs, and pretty

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much we were the area voucher providers for Henderson, the Transcendent Campaign.

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So, in total, I have about 15 years of housing experience, and I am a husband, a father

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to Richard, and Bobby Hooper, and my wife is pregnant.

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And so, you know, I just want to say briefly, I have three main priorities outside of my family.

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The first priority is to maintain decent, safe and affordable housing and even expand housing opportunities when it's possible.

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My second priority is to show respect to our resident clients and customers to make sure they feel empowered, make sure they feel respected.

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My third priority is to be at this tour of the federal funds, okay?

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And so, again, this will take an effort.

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I look forward to working with you all.

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My goal was open to everyone here.

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And again, thank you all for receiving my family and I.

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I got a one-year staff, one-of-a-team.

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As a board.

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So, I couldn't be more excited about this opportunity.

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This is a wonderful, wonderful place to be.

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We're so happy to be back.

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My father's a veteran. He's been up in the mountains with us for the past year. He's having to be back home. So we're all excited. Thank you so much.

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Thank you and welcome. And if you need anything, we're here. Thank you. Absolutely. That's great to have you. Thank you.

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Mr. Greene, a job well done, you know what's amazing is when you had brought Veronica and

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with everybody, I remember we had that meeting here and I said something to Veronica when

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she was talking about what she could do for the housing, and what's interesting, I don't

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think people realize this, but what you do as chair of then the housing authority and

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and what she does is the ED.

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I think there's a natural this that could easily happen.

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But what I loved about both of you and the jobs that you did

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was the synergy that worked between you guys

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and neither one of you took any...

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And I love that about both of your personalities. And I honestly think that's a lot of what made that work. And it was wonderful from this perspective to watch the two of you work. Sometimes in tandem, sometimes separately, but honestly job well done. And thank you, Dale, for the search and for bringing us gold. Mr. West. I'm going to say something. I'm going to maybe drift back and forth a little bit here. Just a second.

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Dale and I have been friends at his middle school and we were in the same field, we worked

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a little bit during our careers and police work.

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When this thing came up about the Redo Relentment Commission, it's so cool that we were going

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to pick a board and I gave you Dale Green's name and I said, if you want a man that's got

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ethics and a man that's going to do the right thing, it's Dale Green, I think the world

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there were still good friends that he's my neighbor, your neighbor as well. Unfortunately,

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as things happen, we have to adapt to those things and there's going to be moving to somewhere

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over in the eastern part of the Gastin County so he can help out his son with his family.

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But yeah, you're going to be me as I'm going to be a sheep personally, but we're going to be

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friends forever, you know that we're not in all these contact. But I think there's just a good

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and I think the world, he's done a amazing job for us

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and it's gonna be a lot of sports

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whoever takes his place, I guess it makes use of the field

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but they're like, I think the world, I appreciate all

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you've done and you know, let's say we're gonna be friends

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forever so you know we're out there.

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So thank you, what's your opinion?

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I agree with the fact, yes.

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Amen, thank you, Dale.

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Yeah, and then lastly Mr. Green, does anyone else have

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anything they want to say?

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So lastly, I just want to thank you for holding a council before I was here, and since I've

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been here, I want to thank you for holding council and me as the mayor accountable.

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I think you've done one of the best jobs as a citizen who can come forward with sometimes

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not easy things to share.

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But the passion that you have to make this city great is definitely if people can't see

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it, they're eyes on open.

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So blessings to you and your family and your move and everything that you go through from here, but you may be leaving King's Mountain, but King's Mountain will not leave you.

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It's great to have you today.

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We'll move to number eight, motion to adopt the following consent agenda.

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8A is to adopt the minutes of the work session of Wednesday, July 15, 2026 in the regular meeting of Tuesday, July 28, 2026.

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8-B approve a budget amendment of local law enforcement bonus to comply with North Carolina State budget law 2026-41, 8-C to adopt a resolution authorizing city staff to submit an application for water asset inventory and assessment study grant.

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A.D. to adopt the resolution authorizing city staff to submit an application for a wastewater

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asset inventory and assessment study grant and an A.D. to re-appoint sign the Roseboro

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for the redevelopment commission for a five-year term expiring September 3rd, 2031.

439
00:33:28,100 --> 00:33:32,760
And with that council, I make the motion made by the New York City agenda. Motion made

440
00:33:32,760 --> 00:33:37,900
by Mr. McWeft, seconded by Heather Lemmon, and by a show of hands,

441
00:33:40,120 --> 00:33:41,360
and that is everybody.

442
00:33:41,880 --> 00:33:42,460
Thank you, Council.

443
00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:45,580
We'll move into the regular meeting.

444
00:33:45,760 --> 00:33:51,240
Number 9a is a motion to adopt an ordinance ordering the property on the, to repair the

445
00:33:51,240 --> 00:33:56,740
dwelling located at 109 South Gaston Street within 90 days, with authorization granted to

446
00:33:56,740 --> 00:34:02,640
the Director of Codes to proceed with demolition of the property upon non-compliance, and with

447
00:34:02,640 --> 00:34:06,620
that will yield the floor to the director of inspections and codes.

448
00:34:07,320 --> 00:34:08,200
Mr. Clinton-Houser.

449
00:34:09,300 --> 00:34:11,480
Thank you, Mayor Goodeven-Council.

450
00:34:12,540 --> 00:34:14,100
109 South Gas and Street.

451
00:34:14,440 --> 00:34:20,160
The picture on the screen there is what we discovered during a complaint

452
00:34:20,160 --> 00:34:23,520
of the property back in April, the 9th, 2024.

453
00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:26,240
There was complaint about community appearance.

454
00:34:27,380 --> 00:34:29,380
During that investigation, it was discovered

455
00:34:29,380 --> 00:34:32,060
that the house was being remodeled, which

456
00:34:32,060 --> 00:34:35,740
which is what a lot of that stuff that was powered in the backyard was from.

457
00:34:37,560 --> 00:34:37,880
So...

458
00:34:56,270 --> 00:34:56,770
Let's have a look.

459
00:34:56,910 --> 00:34:57,790
I thought you guys just broke you.

460
00:34:57,870 --> 00:34:58,530
We're talking sushi.

461
00:35:00,750 --> 00:35:07,590
The next couple slides are just some pictures of the property, just an idea. That one looks like

462
00:35:07,590 --> 00:35:12,230
just an exterior front, rear, some

463
00:35:14,340 --> 00:35:15,240
interior pictures.

464
00:35:21,160 --> 00:35:30,680
So since that initial complaint back in April 2024,

465
00:35:30,680 --> 00:35:38,920
or April 24th, Mr. Department's issue, three stock workers, and the owner had applied

466
00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:44,780
for two bill permits that were issued, but have been revoked due to the legal construction

467
00:35:44,780 --> 00:35:52,640
activities going on by unqualified individuals and contractors and some electrical conditions

468
00:35:52,640 --> 00:35:58,220
that were made on the property of a really unsafe, and at one point last year there were some

469
00:35:58,220 --> 00:36:04,600
workers that were living in the house during the renovation process and had made a really

470
00:36:04,600 --> 00:36:08,100
unsafe electrical connection to the house there.

471
00:36:09,640 --> 00:36:10,240
And

472
00:36:13,310 --> 00:36:19,630
there's a picture of the living conditions of the workers living in the house without

473
00:36:19,630 --> 00:36:20,210
a CEO.

474
00:36:23,690 --> 00:36:24,930
So just a couple keynotes.

475
00:36:24,930 --> 00:36:31,550
The Code's office has issued several orders to repair on the property.

476
00:36:32,810 --> 00:36:39,730
The first initial order repair was issued back in August 25 with a deadline for repairs

477
00:36:39,730 --> 00:36:43,370
to be made by November the 13th, 90 days there.

478
00:36:44,070 --> 00:36:51,470
The repairs weren't made, so we amended that order to give 90 more days and still repairs

479
00:36:51,470 --> 00:37:00,930
There's one made, a third at 10, to extend that order timeline out to September 14, 2026.

480
00:37:02,370 --> 00:37:10,870
So a total 395 days is what the owner has had to make repairs from that initial order

481
00:37:10,870 --> 00:37:11,470
to repair.

482
00:37:12,730 --> 00:37:18,290
So in its current condition of the welllands, obviously unfit for human habitation just continues

483
00:37:18,290 --> 00:37:19,370
to deteriorate.

484
00:37:19,370 --> 00:37:24,550
It's a threat of children, vagrants, and it just causes and contributes to blocked

485
00:37:25,990 --> 00:37:28,910
interioration of property values in the area.

486
00:37:30,270 --> 00:37:39,550
The county has the house valued at $170,000, which is an important figure we'll see in

487
00:37:39,550 --> 00:37:40,030
a second.

488
00:37:41,030 --> 00:37:46,190
It's our staff's opinion that the required repairs to make the house fit for a

489
00:37:46,190 --> 00:37:53,070
humitation, habitation could be made at a cost less than 50% of that value.

490
00:37:53,910 --> 00:38:02,590
So with that being the case, I can't bring the property to you to not consider demolition

491
00:38:02,590 --> 00:38:07,510
without first giving the owner an opportunity to make repairs.

492
00:38:07,810 --> 00:38:15,030
So when I bring something you guys just like this, I have gone as far as I can so it has

493
00:38:15,030 --> 00:38:16,770
to come to you guys for the next step.

494
00:38:16,770 --> 00:38:17,970
and that's where we're at tonight.

495
00:38:18,390 --> 00:38:25,530
So, the rest in general statute language is data that takes a house like this in consideration.

496
00:38:26,790 --> 00:38:34,370
160D-1203-6 does appear to be an owner as a band in the intent and purpose to repair

497
00:38:34,830 --> 00:38:41,090
a failure to make such repairs within a one year period after the initial hearing and order

498
00:38:41,090 --> 00:38:44,790
repair, which was August 15, 2025.

499
00:38:44,790 --> 00:38:52,250
five. And then furthermore, the ordinance will go on a general statute, 160D, 12036A, the

500
00:38:52,250 --> 00:38:56,790
government board has the authority to adopt ordinance requirement, owner to repair,

501
00:38:57,670 --> 00:39:04,670
order molest well within 90 days. So that's what I'm bringing to you tonight is the

502
00:39:04,670 --> 00:39:11,390
request to adopt the ordinance to require the honor to make the repairs or the molest

503
00:39:11,390 --> 00:39:17,850
house within 90 days from today. And then failure of the house to be prepared within

504
00:39:17,850 --> 00:39:23,530
the 90 days would be immediate action taken by the Coast Department House tomorrow.

505
00:39:29,650 --> 00:39:30,170
So

506
00:39:33,110 --> 00:39:39,390
there was a speaking time and that was your time to speak. I'm sorry but if I do that

507
00:39:39,390 --> 00:39:44,250
then I have to open that for anybody else so I can't do that. So just know that's not personal.

508
00:39:44,250 --> 00:39:46,810
My question to you is, can you go back to the pictures?

509
00:39:48,770 --> 00:39:52,050
I think the information I was getting while the pictures were coming and

510
00:39:53,250 --> 00:39:54,810
the chairman went and stopped.

511
00:40:03,820 --> 00:40:27,260
Okay. No, you're good. There was the pictures that looked like it had the side by side there, but is that just two rooms then? Right. Yeah, that's two different rooms. Okay. Yeah. Two rooms from that. You okay. Very good. Thank you very much. So, so there's attempted work in there. And obviously the staff has found what they found. So you're asking 90 days. Is that what you're saying?

512
00:40:27,260 --> 00:40:34,680
Yes, so since the discovery of the work being done way back in 2024,

513
00:40:37,680 --> 00:40:40,120
you know, this property just has it,

514
00:40:40,320 --> 00:40:47,720
I guess you could say got off on the rock foot as far as the owner doing work properly and legally with

515
00:40:47,720 --> 00:40:48,740
Lawson's contractors.

516
00:40:50,060 --> 00:40:54,300
And so it's more than just the house being in a dilapidated condition.

517
00:40:54,300 --> 00:41:01,620
It's just the history of stop-work order after stop-work order three stop-work orders have to be issued for illegal activity

518
00:41:02,540 --> 00:41:05,320
In violation state bill and code rules and laws

519
00:41:06,100 --> 00:41:06,620
so

520
00:41:08,120 --> 00:41:15,040
As as hard-nosed as people think you are I've seen you give a lot of grace in these areas and I think just one's a good example

521
00:41:15,040 --> 00:41:17,360
We I agree I'm giving well over here

522
00:41:17,880 --> 00:41:23,780
Well, and I've seen this with you that if if people are working towards making it happen

523
00:41:24,300 --> 00:41:26,660
I've seen you give grace like crazy.

524
00:41:26,860 --> 00:41:27,320
I ask true.

525
00:41:27,580 --> 00:41:30,680
So, that's why I ask like specifically,

526
00:41:31,580 --> 00:41:34,340
that's what you're asking for is 90 days

527
00:41:34,340 --> 00:41:35,720
and where there'll be a reassessment

528
00:41:35,720 --> 00:41:39,040
or are we saying 90 days, time is up.

529
00:41:39,820 --> 00:41:41,040
90 days, time's up.

530
00:41:41,580 --> 00:41:41,640
Okay.

531
00:41:42,080 --> 00:41:44,300
I feel like we've given,

532
00:41:44,940 --> 00:41:49,960
we've extended that original order 90 days, 90 days.

533
00:41:51,040 --> 00:41:52,380
And here we are still.

534
00:41:52,960 --> 00:42:00,620
So, in the case where staff says, you know, the 50% and you're not able to demolish then what happens after that?

535
00:42:01,260 --> 00:42:14,240
All right. So the way the ordinance rates of, you know, generally when I bring a house before you, the board, it's a house that's really dilapidated and the cost of repairs would be well or 50% of the value of the house.

536
00:42:14,240 --> 00:42:21,940
sure so the general stacks you say in that case I can seek immediate ordinance to have it demolished

537
00:42:22,630 --> 00:42:29,260
in this case it's a little different because the value of the house is 170,000 we feel like the

538
00:42:29,260 --> 00:42:35,760
house can be repaired for less than 50 percent of that sure $70,000 so I can't bring it to you and say

539
00:42:37,780 --> 00:42:47,060
immediate demolition, right? So the law says that we have to give her 90 days by

540
00:42:47,060 --> 00:42:55,720
orderless, right? So she's had all these border repairs from my office to now I've

541
00:42:57,380 --> 00:43:01,720
taken this for as I can take it, right? I mean I could give her more time with

542
00:43:01,720 --> 00:43:04,640
another extension or repair if it's not getting us anywhere.

543
00:43:06,380 --> 00:43:08,160
Council, any other questions?

544
00:43:09,940 --> 00:43:10,740
Ms. Miller.

545
00:43:12,600 --> 00:43:14,420
I understand what you're saying.

546
00:43:14,820 --> 00:43:20,360
And like the mayor has said, I think many times you

547
00:43:20,360 --> 00:43:23,880
in your office have shown grace to folks.

548
00:43:24,060 --> 00:43:28,740
And I really don't think that you're out there.

549
00:43:29,700 --> 00:43:33,460
Well, you are looking for houses that need to be prepared

550
00:43:33,460 --> 00:43:38,960
and brought up to code who made safe so that people can live in them but you're not just

551
00:43:38,960 --> 00:43:49,620
looking for houses to recommend demolition to and I appreciate that because I really do value

552
00:43:49,620 --> 00:44:00,500
historic property and hate to see them just being demolished and disappear but I think that you

553
00:44:00,500 --> 00:44:09,740
and your staff have gone well beyond what is called for to be able to give the home owner extra

554
00:44:09,740 --> 00:44:18,920
time to do it. And when you say 90 days, that doesn't mean to make it a show place, that means

555
00:44:18,920 --> 00:44:26,480
to bring it up to code to make it safe so that it could be inhabited by someone. And the other option,

556
00:44:26,480 --> 00:44:30,280
and I guess would be if the homeowner or house owner

557
00:44:31,200 --> 00:44:38,900
decided to sell the property, then maybe a new owner

558
00:44:39,940 --> 00:44:43,760
would be more diligent to bring it up to code.

559
00:44:45,540 --> 00:44:50,240
You know, I hate when we do have to, when that time comes

560
00:44:50,240 --> 00:44:52,900
for us to vote to demolish a house,

561
00:44:54,780 --> 00:44:59,960
It seems a little bit, it really does, but I appreciate what you do and what you do and

562
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:28,480
Your staff does because we want the houses to be safe that our citizens live in and it's not always easy. So thank you for for doing that. And I hope that over these 90 days that maybe the owner will be able to to get things up to go. I think you're saying that it's not beyond repair. I mean, some of the houses that you've such shown us before.

563
00:45:29,600 --> 00:45:32,440
They are truly beyond repair.

564
00:45:32,700 --> 00:45:36,900
Yeah, yeah, it's definitely not enough money, anything to be repaired.

565
00:45:37,420 --> 00:45:46,840
This one is in a condition that can't be repaired, but it's just got to be done legally.

566
00:45:47,220 --> 00:45:54,080
Right, that's why they are opposed and we want our citizens to be safe.

567
00:45:57,280 --> 00:46:04,160
And I suppose this really means that they have to pull permits with contractors that are licensed.

568
00:46:04,780 --> 00:46:07,160
That is correct to do these repairs, you're right.

569
00:46:09,360 --> 00:46:10,160
Ms. Lemon.

570
00:46:10,460 --> 00:46:11,000
Thank you.

571
00:46:11,760 --> 00:46:15,380
When was the last permit that was pulled by a licensed contractor?

572
00:46:35,750 --> 00:46:36,890
March of 26th.

573
00:46:38,520 --> 00:46:45,300
Yeah, thank you, Mickey. It's March 23rd, 2026, which was the second Permia.

574
00:46:49,830 --> 00:46:50,790
And then that

575
00:46:50,790 --> 00:46:55,970
general contractor that was on that second Permia sent our office an email

576
00:46:55,970 --> 00:47:01,110
wishing to rescind her position as a general contractor due to the honor of hiring

577
00:47:01,110 --> 00:47:05,290
people to do work on the table.

578
00:47:07,810 --> 00:47:11,210
So once that happened then the permit was

579
00:47:11,210 --> 00:47:16,470
voted because the GC was the permit applicant. GC permit applicant wishes to

580
00:47:16,470 --> 00:47:21,890
resend that position and the permit is no longer valid. So that happened

581
00:47:21,890 --> 00:47:30,450
September 4th of this month was when that permit was voted. This may be in the

582
00:47:30,450 --> 00:47:39,670
Weeds just a little bit, but the, you said it was estimated that the cost of repair is less than 50% of the assess value.

583
00:47:40,190 --> 00:47:45,010
Is there a ballpark on what that actual figure is? Is it close to 50%? Is it 20%?

584
00:47:47,110 --> 00:47:47,990
I haven't.

585
00:47:48,050 --> 00:47:48,830
Broken down.

586
00:47:49,330 --> 00:47:49,850
Just a little bit.

587
00:47:49,850 --> 00:47:50,930
Or just 50%.

588
00:47:50,930 --> 00:47:51,250
Yes.

589
00:47:54,330 --> 00:47:56,270
Thank you, council. Any other questions?

590
00:47:58,550 --> 00:47:59,390
Mr. Mayor, if I could.

591
00:47:59,570 --> 00:47:59,890
Yes, sir.

592
00:48:00,030 --> 00:48:02,310
Are you able to pull that mic close to zero?

593
00:48:02,790 --> 00:48:03,270
No problem.

594
00:48:03,270 --> 00:48:08,650
Councilwoman Sarah raised a question that was interesting about what if there was a new property on them

595
00:48:08,650 --> 00:48:13,230
What happens if the ordinance will be recorded and so if there's a sale

596
00:48:14,270 --> 00:48:18,390
The new property only will be bound to what the ordinance requires

597
00:48:19,750 --> 00:48:22,910
So still within that same. Yes, that's correct

598
00:48:22,910 --> 00:48:28,530
Yes, so if they purchased it on the 89th day they would be required to come within compliance within one day

599
00:48:28,530 --> 00:48:33,550
Or unless they came to the council and the council's desire to give something additional.

600
00:48:34,510 --> 00:48:35,310
Thank you.

601
00:48:37,920 --> 00:48:38,420
Excellent.

602
00:48:39,140 --> 00:48:39,860
Thank you, sir.

603
00:48:40,300 --> 00:48:40,800
Thank you.

604
00:48:41,380 --> 00:48:41,960
Council.

605
00:48:45,870 --> 00:48:46,590
I make a motion.

606
00:48:46,730 --> 00:48:49,070
We adopt this ordinance.

607
00:48:49,930 --> 00:48:50,150
Second.

608
00:48:50,730 --> 00:48:55,970
Motion made by Councilman J. Rhodes, seconded by Councilman Scott Nicelyer, and with that a

609
00:48:55,970 --> 00:48:57,890
show of hands in favor is

610
00:49:01,150 --> 00:49:02,030
all but one

611
00:49:07,020 --> 00:49:07,860
five to one.

612
00:49:13,600 --> 00:49:22,300
No. Unfortunately, so there is a, when there's something on the agenda, there's a, there's

613
00:49:22,300 --> 00:49:27,740
a moment before we have three minutes to speak. And if I violate that, I have to violate

614
00:49:27,740 --> 00:49:33,040
that down the road as well. So, I'm not going to violate that. But if you want communication

615
00:49:33,040 --> 00:49:41,480
with the city council, you can do that by phone, by email, and we will respond to you. But

616
00:49:41,480 --> 00:49:46,120
So it's not going to happen in the meeting just because that's not the order of how this meeting is run.

617
00:49:46,620 --> 00:49:55,640
So I don't want to have you deterred, but you would have had to speak and spoken in the portion for where the residents would speak.

618
00:49:56,180 --> 00:49:59,860
So if you'd like to reach out to us, you can this week, and we can give you our.

619
00:50:05,080 --> 00:50:06,680
Thank you so much.

620
00:50:10,420 --> 00:50:29,820
After this meeting, you can speak with Karen. Thank you so much, and thank you for understanding. 9B tonight is a motion to approve a budget amendment from designated asset for mature account to the police department in the amount of $13,000 to support the purchase of urban

621
00:50:29,820 --> 00:50:35,500
an SDK traffic and analysis software, and we'll yield the floor to our assistant police

622
00:50:35,500 --> 00:50:37,220
chief, Mr. Lance Hammer.

623
00:50:39,020 --> 00:50:41,580
Good evening, Mr. Mayor and Council.

624
00:50:42,340 --> 00:50:49,440
I'm bringing to you today a motion to authorize a budget amendment for $13,000 from our asset

625
00:50:49,440 --> 00:50:55,200
forfeiture accounts to purchase traffic safety and speed enforcement software, specifically

626
00:50:55,200 --> 00:50:56,740
named Urban SDK.

627
00:50:56,740 --> 00:50:59,640
So I want to provide you all a little bit of background.

628
00:51:00,660 --> 00:51:06,360
We consistently have the Police Department receive traffic complaints weekly.

629
00:51:07,660 --> 00:51:12,320
Speeding careless reckless, stop sign violations and so on.

630
00:51:12,320 --> 00:51:19,040
So our patrol staffing is strictly in with duties and responsibilities and currently we don't

631
00:51:19,040 --> 00:51:25,000
have a traffic unit or assigned officers to concentrate solely on traffic complaints.

632
00:51:25,720 --> 00:51:31,840
Now, over the past two years, we have attempted with your approval to try to get grants from

633
00:51:31,840 --> 00:51:36,440
the North Carolina Governor's Highway Safety Program, and unfortunately, both years that

634
00:51:36,440 --> 00:51:46,040
has been denied from state-level budget limitations and our fatality rate here in the city is very

635
00:51:46,040 --> 00:51:53,740
low, which is a good thing, I think, and I think that's something to say, but it just didn't help us

636
00:51:53,740 --> 00:51:56,420
with get me to grant monies for traffic enforcement.

637
00:51:57,560 --> 00:52:01,640
So with our community and our traffic situation growing,

638
00:52:01,880 --> 00:52:04,320
along with responsibilities of patrol officers

639
00:52:04,320 --> 00:52:05,760
and traffic enforcement,

640
00:52:05,760 --> 00:52:07,780
become more difficult to maintain.

641
00:52:08,820 --> 00:52:10,960
We've been looking for solutions in assisting

642
00:52:11,460 --> 00:52:14,400
in the examining complaints, providing officers

643
00:52:14,400 --> 00:52:17,280
with specific, high-speed areas,

644
00:52:17,940 --> 00:52:20,080
and in the city.

645
00:52:20,080 --> 00:52:23,760
and basically have proactive traffic enforcement

646
00:52:25,180 --> 00:52:28,480
instead of complaint driven all the time.

647
00:52:29,440 --> 00:52:31,980
So Urban SDK, I want to talk to you a little bit

648
00:52:31,980 --> 00:52:33,640
about what Urban SDK is.

649
00:52:33,960 --> 00:52:37,480
It's a software provider that analyzes vehicle telemetry,

650
00:52:37,620 --> 00:52:39,040
telemetry, excuse me.

651
00:52:39,880 --> 00:52:41,320
So if you're unaware of what that is,

652
00:52:41,840 --> 00:52:45,520
it's basically connected vehicles or GPS.

653
00:52:46,780 --> 00:52:54,960
2007 and over our current 2007 and newer models basically have a lot of

654
00:52:54,960 --> 00:53:04,840
vehicle telemetry. An example that I was provided was Google or Apple Maps. They

655
00:53:04,840 --> 00:53:10,560
use telemetry when you are traveling from one location to another and you get

656
00:53:10,560 --> 00:53:18,560
alerts that a traffic issue is ahead. So it's the same kind of information. So this software

657
00:53:18,560 --> 00:53:25,600
produces historical average traffic speeds and high traffic volumes in specifically identified areas

658
00:53:25,600 --> 00:53:33,080
of our community that we can go in, hone in and look at. The platform also provides an avenue for

659
00:53:33,080 --> 00:53:40,740
the citizens to make complaints through a integrated website. Those complaints can be used

660
00:53:41,530 --> 00:53:49,260
come straight to the police department and used to assist us in organizing and providing

661
00:53:49,260 --> 00:53:57,920
a better service to our citizens by traffic enforcement. The Urban SDK software also has

662
00:53:57,920 --> 00:54:04,600
over 300 customers across North America, the city of Gastonia, Caveris County, and

663
00:54:04,600 --> 00:54:09,460
the town of Lake Forest are just a few that are in our region that are users of this

664
00:54:09,460 --> 00:54:16,420
software. So the financial impacts, there would be no financial impact on the general

665
00:54:16,420 --> 00:54:22,040
fund because what we're requesting is from our asset forfeiture funds, restricted asset

666
00:54:22,040 --> 00:54:23,000
at portrait accounts.

667
00:54:24,200 --> 00:54:27,940
Alternatives, you can choose to not to amend the budget

668
00:54:27,940 --> 00:54:32,940
and seek other methods or not purchase at all.

669
00:54:34,040 --> 00:54:37,620
So the recommendation, the staff recommends

670
00:54:37,620 --> 00:54:40,320
that you approve this motion to amend the police department's

671
00:54:40,320 --> 00:54:44,280
restricted asset portraiture budget in the amount of $13,000

672
00:54:44,280 --> 00:54:47,300
in support of purchasing traffic analysis software,

673
00:54:47,880 --> 00:54:49,260
specifically urban SDK.

674
00:54:49,260 --> 00:54:49,400
Okay.

675
00:54:50,220 --> 00:54:53,000
And I'll be glad to answer any questions that you might have.

676
00:54:54,300 --> 00:54:55,000
Mr. Scott.

677
00:54:55,100 --> 00:54:55,240
Nice.

678
00:54:55,520 --> 00:54:57,100
I like to make that motion.

679
00:54:57,200 --> 00:54:58,040
All right.

680
00:54:58,300 --> 00:54:59,240
Before we do that.

681
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:10,500
Does anyone have any questions? For the Assistant Chief? No, very good, okay. Motion is made by Councilman

682
00:55:10,500 --> 00:55:18,120
Nicelye, seconded by Councilman Nuest, and by a show of hands. And that is unanimous.

683
00:55:20,080 --> 00:55:27,100
9C tonight is a motion to award a contract for the Safe Streets for all grant, for all grant funded

684
00:55:27,100 --> 00:55:32,000
project to Kittleson Engineering and approve a corresponding budget amendment to appropriate

685
00:55:32,000 --> 00:55:36,940
grant revenue, corresponding expenditures and city match portion, and we'll yield the

686
00:55:36,940 --> 00:55:40,200
floor to the city's planning director, Redlegaugh.

687
00:55:40,760 --> 00:55:41,880
Thank you, Mr. Mayor.

688
00:55:42,180 --> 00:55:42,680
Good evening.

689
00:55:43,380 --> 00:55:44,060
Members of the council.

690
00:55:45,260 --> 00:55:46,000
Good news.

691
00:55:46,320 --> 00:55:46,680
Good news.

692
00:55:46,880 --> 00:55:55,660
The city has been awarded a $175,000 safe streets for all or as we refer to it, SS4A grant.

693
00:55:55,660 --> 00:56:05,740
The SS4A program is administered by the Federal Government through the U.S. Department of Transportation, so it's a federal grant.

694
00:56:06,720 --> 00:56:18,400
On program, it focuses on reducing traffic-related injuries and specifically fatalities at intersections and along roadways sections.

695
00:56:19,560 --> 00:56:27,300
Any segments that are used by pedestrians, bicycles, cars, scooters, e-bikes, whatever.

696
00:56:29,680 --> 00:56:48,140
The grant specifically will fund development of a street safety action plan that will identify and prioritize the city's high injury intersections and roadways segments using data from various sources.

697
00:56:48,140 --> 00:56:55,820
and specifically crash data is a big source of information but we can get

698
00:56:55,820 --> 00:57:00,940
information from sources such as North Carolina Department of Transportation our

699
00:57:00,940 --> 00:57:05,460
own King's Mountain Police Department there'll be a project steering

700
00:57:05,460 --> 00:57:09,040
committee that will be put together that will have some input and there'll be a

701
00:57:09,040 --> 00:57:14,740
process for public input which is also of course very important. I will add

702
00:57:14,740 --> 00:57:20,920
That here, that the grant will cover any of the intersections and streets within the city

703
00:57:20,920 --> 00:57:21,480
of King's Mountain.

704
00:57:22,160 --> 00:57:26,900
It doesn't matter if it's North Carolina, DOT, maintained road or a city on road.

705
00:57:27,760 --> 00:57:31,440
The program focuses, because it comes from the federal government down.

706
00:57:31,820 --> 00:57:37,060
It focuses on the network of streets and how they interact, so it doesn't really look at

707
00:57:37,060 --> 00:57:37,980
those as different.

708
00:57:38,220 --> 00:57:42,720
It's about how the system works together to reduce injuries and fatalities.

709
00:57:42,720 --> 00:57:52,940
So, the plan specifically will identify safety improvements and mitigation strategies to

710
00:57:52,940 --> 00:57:56,640
reduce future crashes, injuries and fatalities.

711
00:57:57,160 --> 00:58:01,200
The fatalities is an important piece of it because federal government kind of has an initiative

712
00:58:01,200 --> 00:58:07,860
called Vision Zero, which continues to push forward in ways to reduce injuries but also

713
00:58:07,860 --> 00:58:13,000
reduce fatalities. So that's a big focus coming from the federal government down.

714
00:58:14,880 --> 00:58:21,700
Now this particular grant and the action plan that will be generated can kind of be looked at

715
00:58:21,700 --> 00:58:28,260
as part one. In the future, near future staff will take a completed plan and apply for additional

716
00:58:28,260 --> 00:58:34,100
funding to implement the strategies and do the physical work. So this is kind of part one and we'll

717
00:58:34,100 --> 00:58:35,780
to part two in the near future.

718
00:58:38,720 --> 00:58:41,920
So that's kind of background for the actual grant and the award.

719
00:58:42,500 --> 00:58:45,940
A little bit about the engineering firm selection process we went through.

720
00:58:47,540 --> 00:58:55,160
The city issued request for qualifications or RFQ back in July and we received four statements

721
00:58:55,160 --> 00:59:03,700
of qualifications or SLQs, a lot of acronyms from the engineering firms and so instead we kind of

722
00:59:03,700 --> 00:59:09,100
evaluated those SOQs, and we shortlisted three engineering firms for the

723
00:59:09,100 --> 00:59:15,000
consideration. Their after-staff conducted in-person interviews with each of the

724
00:59:15,000 --> 00:59:20,520
three shortlisted engineering firms. We're allowed each and you're in firm to

725
00:59:20,520 --> 00:59:24,300
review, discuss their favorite qualifications, the background and additional

726
00:59:24,300 --> 00:59:29,740
information that would be considered, as well as respond to a list of staff

727
00:59:29,740 --> 00:59:33,400
questions that would be generated. And those same staff questions were asked

728
00:59:33,400 --> 00:59:37,560
each of the engineering firms to keep everything equal across the board.

729
00:59:39,060 --> 00:59:44,440
Then staff, we had some criteria that we rated each of the firms on such as

730
00:59:44,440 --> 00:59:48,920
their state of qualifications, their expertise, their technical knowledge,

731
00:59:49,300 --> 00:59:53,020
their success of previous SS4A grants and studies,

732
00:59:53,020 --> 00:59:56,260
and then finally how they were formed in the interview.

733
00:59:57,040 --> 00:59:59,140
and we tab it up, the ratings.

734
01:00:00,240 --> 01:00:27,940
And had a final discussion. And based on that overall evaluation, Kittleson engineering was determined to be the most qualified to conduct the city's study for this particular grant. As far as study time on and funding, staff expects the study to take approximately nine to 12 months from when a contractor signed with Kittleson. And so we will look to have some form of kickoff meeting at some point October and just kind of get this going.

735
01:00:30,100 --> 01:00:38,500
As far as funding goes, the federal government will fund 80% of the total $175,000 cost,

736
01:00:39,120 --> 01:00:41,080
which equates to $280,000.

737
01:00:42,970 --> 01:00:50,190
The city will be expected to provide the remaining 20% of the cost which equates to $35,000.

738
01:00:51,610 --> 01:00:55,590
So it's an 80-20 split between the federal government and the Kays Mountain.

739
01:00:55,590 --> 01:01:03,290
The grant is reimbursement based, so the city will be required to front $175,000 up front

740
01:01:03,290 --> 01:01:04,490
to have the study done.

741
01:01:05,710 --> 01:01:11,770
And then staff working with Kittles Singles submit the action plan and other required documentation

742
01:01:12,470 --> 01:01:18,290
to the Department of Transportation for reimbursement of $140,000 for the fee case.

743
01:01:19,290 --> 01:01:24,650
So the net, when all the dust settles, the neck commitment from the city would be $35,000.

744
01:01:24,650 --> 01:01:25,650
A

745
01:01:27,860 --> 01:01:32,680
budget amendment will be required to appropriate the grant opinion and project funds.

746
01:01:34,420 --> 01:01:40,480
So the council action tonight, that's a question, is staff is asking for council to consider

747
01:01:41,340 --> 01:01:47,700
awarding the SS for a street safety action plan, contract to kiddoson engineering and approve

748
01:01:47,700 --> 01:01:48,880
the corresponding budget.

749
01:01:50,140 --> 01:01:54,420
So we won't have to answer questions council might have and please note representative

750
01:01:54,420 --> 01:01:57,200
from Kittles Engineering is here with us tonight as well.

751
01:01:57,640 --> 01:01:58,260
Councilman Rhodes?

752
01:01:58,840 --> 01:02:02,160
You do mention this is kind of like getting the plan

753
01:02:02,160 --> 01:02:06,160
and then implementing the plan in the second phase.

754
01:02:06,560 --> 01:02:07,980
Are there grants available for this?

755
01:02:08,700 --> 01:02:08,940
Okay.

756
01:02:09,380 --> 01:02:12,440
So we had a, we would probably have a reasonable chance

757
01:02:12,440 --> 01:02:13,080
of getting them.

758
01:02:13,480 --> 01:02:15,820
Yes, and certainly, I mean, when you have a plan

759
01:02:15,820 --> 01:02:17,480
and the recommendations, you're almost

760
01:02:17,480 --> 01:02:19,380
going to get that where they can apply in this success.

761
01:02:19,380 --> 01:02:19,660
Thanks, good.

762
01:02:20,920 --> 01:02:21,300
You're certain.

763
01:02:22,120 --> 01:02:23,160
Councilman, nice to go ahead.

764
01:02:23,160 --> 01:02:26,840
And who on staff will take care of our end of it?

765
01:02:26,980 --> 01:02:33,040
A reason being is that I have the intersection we need to look at because actually pedestrians

766
01:02:33,040 --> 01:02:34,720
can't see the traffic light.

767
01:02:34,860 --> 01:02:34,960
Okay.

768
01:02:35,440 --> 01:02:38,160
I'm planning a part of what will be the lead on it.

769
01:02:38,600 --> 01:02:38,920
Okay.

770
01:02:38,920 --> 01:02:41,960
But the steering committee will be put together and we'll have certain representatives.

771
01:02:42,260 --> 01:02:45,440
So if you'll make a note, it's go straight in the background.

772
01:02:46,660 --> 01:02:46,900
Okay.

773
01:02:46,900 --> 01:02:52,160
would is that you know a little jig-jagging there and pedestrian wall is where

774
01:02:52,160 --> 01:02:56,420
you can't see the light and when we have events downtown in Patience Park there's

775
01:02:56,420 --> 01:03:00,360
a lot of people crossing over there and really needs pay it he is put

776
01:03:00,360 --> 01:03:04,540
anyway if you'll just mention that to him and to be a part of the study that

777
01:03:04,540 --> 01:03:11,200
be sure okay that's all I really need to say if we're

778
01:03:11,200 --> 01:03:16,900
We're fronting the 175 and then we're recouping except for 35.

779
01:03:17,820 --> 01:03:23,700
Is there anything in that process that would stop us from recouping except for?

780
01:03:23,700 --> 01:03:28,500
We have rules and things that we have to follow in a certainly complete plan.

781
01:03:28,820 --> 01:03:32,060
But no, if we follow the steps, there should be nothing that prevents us from recouping.

782
01:03:32,460 --> 01:03:36,320
That should be the $140,000 that we could recoup from the government.

783
01:03:36,520 --> 01:03:37,620
Right, that's right.

784
01:03:37,620 --> 01:03:46,460
40. All right thank you. Any other questions? Just curious only because of the

785
01:03:46,460 --> 01:03:54,380
previous fact that we took will the equipment that will be purchased the

786
01:03:54,380 --> 01:04:03,160
Urban SDK traffic analysis will back be used for this study? No.

787
01:04:05,520 --> 01:04:09,000
I don't think it

788
01:04:09,000 --> 01:04:16,120
ironic that we have two items, one right after the other that have to do with safety and

789
01:04:16,120 --> 01:04:18,760
streets and traffic and everything.

790
01:04:20,180 --> 01:04:27,540
And Brad, that technology is geo-tracking or geo-fencing type, so there's no flat cameras

791
01:04:27,540 --> 01:04:28,460
things in that nature.

792
01:04:29,220 --> 01:04:29,480
Very good.

793
01:04:29,800 --> 01:04:29,880
No.

794
01:04:30,600 --> 01:04:31,060
Thank you.

795
01:04:31,120 --> 01:04:31,600
After this part.

796
01:04:32,180 --> 01:04:32,280
Yes,

797
01:04:35,210 --> 01:04:35,310
sir.

798
01:04:35,510 --> 01:04:36,110
I make a motion.

799
01:04:36,110 --> 01:04:36,530
We approve.

800
01:04:37,290 --> 01:04:39,950
Motion is made by Councilman Scott Nicely.

801
01:04:42,280 --> 01:04:44,480
I don't have a question, I'll second the motion.

802
01:04:44,940 --> 01:04:46,740
And that's, you do not have a question, correct?

803
01:04:47,080 --> 01:04:50,960
Okay, motion is seconded by Councilman J. Rhodes.

804
01:04:51,960 --> 01:04:52,960
And with that, a vote.

805
01:04:55,220 --> 01:04:56,500
Thank you, that is unanimous.

806
01:04:58,080 --> 01:04:59,680
Mr. Lugano, thank you so much.

807
01:05:01,260 --> 01:05:29,700
9D tonight is a motion to adopt a resolution accepting an award from the North Carolina Department of Environmental Quality, or lead services, line, replacement, and Mr. City Manager. Thank you, Mayor, council, Mayor Pratim. Yes, staff comes before you tonight to ask you to adopt a resolution accepting an award from the North Carolina Department of Environmental Quality for the Lead Service Line Replacement Project.

808
01:05:29,700 --> 01:05:36,360
And that has really been going on since about December, late 2021.

809
01:05:37,460 --> 01:05:43,480
So environmental protection agency at that time required all communities to do an assessment

810
01:05:43,880 --> 01:05:45,800
and inventory of all their lines.

811
01:05:47,260 --> 01:05:52,320
I've got a picture up here in terms of what the assessment consisted of.

812
01:05:52,460 --> 01:05:59,020
So if you look at that, and you see, you've got the streets, you've got to ride away,

813
01:05:59,020 --> 01:06:05,660
you've got water manias and then you have pipe running to the meter and from the meter

814
01:06:05,660 --> 01:06:14,580
in a homeowner's yard into the house, right. So this grant is covering the replacement

815
01:06:14,580 --> 01:06:26,600
of galvanized pipe in that particular area from the street to the yard, okay.

816
01:06:26,600 --> 01:06:32,700
and the replacement of that light with either copper or perhaps pecs.

817
01:06:34,540 --> 01:06:43,260
And so Council agreed in November of 2024 to allow us to apply for this grant.

818
01:06:43,940 --> 01:06:51,100
We did so, we were awarded the grant in March of 2005, and there was some more work that

819
01:06:51,100 --> 01:06:55,300
had to be done with regards to an engineering report, that engineering report was done, it

820
01:06:55,300 --> 01:07:01,220
was accepted, and now we're here asking for the acceptance of the money.

821
01:07:01,660 --> 01:07:04,620
It's a little over $2 million, $2 million, $60,000.

822
01:07:05,260 --> 01:07:09,840
We have a 2% match, which is about $40,000, I think.

823
01:07:10,080 --> 01:07:10,740
41 to.

824
01:07:10,980 --> 01:07:12,380
41 to.

825
01:07:12,520 --> 01:07:13,040
That's correct.

826
01:07:13,720 --> 01:07:14,280
There's 100.

827
01:07:14,540 --> 01:07:21,200
It says, only we've been in about 114 of those that need to be replaced, there's actually

828
01:07:21,200 --> 01:07:29,560
113 that need to be replaced and so with your approval might we would ask that you

829
01:07:29,560 --> 01:07:38,960
accept this money and we can get to work and there's a lot of work that is still forthcoming.

830
01:07:39,280 --> 01:07:47,800
The dates of the project in terms of bid design, submittal and there's an engineer firm that's

831
01:07:47,800 --> 01:07:53,040
hand with all this force, they'll do the vehicle, they'll submit the package to replace all

832
01:07:53,040 --> 01:07:59,700
this, we'll select a contractor and do it, we'll select a plumber to go in and do the

833
01:07:59,700 --> 01:08:06,060
park for the homeowner. So there's still all I want to do, originally the deadline to execute

834
01:08:06,060 --> 01:08:13,020
a construction contractor's January 1, 2027. That's not going to happen. We met with the engineers

835
01:08:13,020 --> 01:08:17,580
from the state last week and all these dates have been pushed back.

836
01:08:17,920 --> 01:08:23,400
So a lot of work is still to do, but the first step is to get the money.

837
01:08:25,260 --> 01:08:27,420
They've no owners, no yet.

838
01:08:28,260 --> 01:08:37,580
There was an initial mailing that occurred, I believe, in 2024, that went out from the city

839
01:08:37,580 --> 01:08:39,260
to notify these homeowners.

840
01:08:41,280 --> 01:08:55,940
I don't think we've done one since and we'll need to. They'll have to be involved in this. I'll have to understand what's going on. They'll have to understand that, you know, they are just going to be dug up. It's going to be repaired. The pipes are going to be replaced.

841
01:08:56,720 --> 01:09:02,080
everything's going to be done for code so there'll be some work ahead of us on

842
01:09:02,080 --> 01:09:02,580
that front.

843
01:09:05,270 --> 01:09:14,090
But it will be their responsibility to do that. No, we're going to, we're going to,

844
01:09:14,090 --> 01:09:19,510
we're going to do even the part that the customer owns. Yeah, stop. Yeah, from the meat. Yeah,

845
01:09:19,510 --> 01:09:25,090
absolutely. I mean, that's the approach that we believe we should take. We should hire a company to

846
01:09:25,090 --> 01:09:31,330
to do this work. Everybody does it too. All the work is the same. Get your places

847
01:09:31,330 --> 01:09:33,350
same to the house and whatnot.

848
01:09:35,650 --> 01:09:39,770
And yeah, they'll, we're not asking each homeowner

849
01:09:39,770 --> 01:09:42,770
to go out and do their own work and get reimbursed by the things.

850
01:09:46,420 --> 01:09:48,000
Council and the other questions.

851
01:09:48,760 --> 01:09:54,280
I'm a emotionally approved motion made by Councilman J. Rhodes, seconded by Councilwoman

852
01:09:54,280 --> 01:09:59,920
and share a Miller and buy a show of hands and that.

853
01:10:00,000 --> 01:10:26,180
That is everybody, unanimous. 9E tonight will yield to council member Shira Miller for this. It's a discussion and possible action to recommend the city manager consider the formation of a data center committee. Okay, thank you. The nominating committee met last week and this topic came up during that meeting and we talked about

854
01:10:26,180 --> 01:10:38,500
about the possibility of a committee to work with staff or work with Council as we continue

855
01:10:38,500 --> 01:10:42,120
to move forward with data centers.

856
01:10:43,840 --> 01:10:48,340
The one thing, and I'll just be honest, the one thing that we, I mean, it just came up

857
01:10:48,340 --> 01:10:53,260
and we talked about it, and it was talked about partly because of one of the presentations

858
01:10:53,260 --> 01:11:02,860
that we heard during our work sessions, the City of APEX, but we did not talk about what

859
01:11:02,860 --> 01:11:09,120
purpose this committee would serve, how many people would be on the committee, what

860
01:11:09,480 --> 01:11:18,800
they would be doing. The motion was to turn it over to the city manager. So that's what

861
01:11:18,800 --> 01:11:24,980
What I'm going to do tonight is turn it over to Mr. Carpenter to talk to us a little bit

862
01:11:24,980 --> 01:11:25,700
about that.

863
01:11:26,480 --> 01:11:34,080
Discussion certainly amongst Council members, but we talked about it, but I wouldn't

864
01:11:34,080 --> 01:11:38,160
say that we fully discussed the intentions.

865
01:11:40,920 --> 01:11:44,960
Of course, with it being on the agenda for my consideration, I went ahead and considered

866
01:11:44,960 --> 01:11:45,360
it.

867
01:11:46,420 --> 01:11:48,660
and did some research around it.

868
01:11:48,960 --> 01:11:53,240
I mean, I had my opinions even before I did the research,

869
01:11:53,480 --> 01:11:56,620
but I think I would ask the council,

870
01:11:56,860 --> 01:11:58,540
what would be the purpose of the committee?

871
01:11:59,020 --> 01:12:01,020
If it is to gather information,

872
01:12:01,180 --> 01:12:03,320
and if it is to hear from our citizens,

873
01:12:04,060 --> 01:12:06,140
then I think you, you, as a council,

874
01:12:06,360 --> 01:12:11,320
would be much better served by having a well-design,

875
01:12:11,680 --> 01:12:14,540
one or two public information type meetings

876
01:12:14,540 --> 01:12:19,260
like we did on the water. I think you'll hear for many, many more

877
01:12:19,260 --> 01:12:24,380
citizens and that kind of form then you will, if you select a few, just a

878
01:12:24,380 --> 01:12:29,280
circle in a Citizens Committee. The Apex Committee, if you recall, that was

879
01:12:29,280 --> 01:12:33,320
formed was a subcommittee of a committee they already had, like a planning

880
01:12:33,320 --> 01:12:40,200
committee, a planning board. So, I mean if you want a citizen group to dive deep

881
01:12:40,200 --> 01:12:47,520
and create policy for you, then I would suggest a subcommittee of probably the planning board

882
01:12:48,480 --> 01:12:56,480
that even maybe council participates on. But if you're just going to hear from your citizens like

883
01:12:56,480 --> 01:13:01,160
and you have other avenues to do that, right, you have citizen recognition, you have

884
01:13:01,160 --> 01:13:08,140
we have public hearings, we have planning with meetings, so it's not like we don't hear from our

885
01:13:08,140 --> 01:13:13,840
citizens but they are limited at the podium in a council meeting although you

886
01:13:13,840 --> 01:13:19,420
can modify that if you choose but yeah well designed public forum I think to

887
01:13:19,420 --> 01:13:24,460
hear from everybody ask questions we have our website up we could do some

888
01:13:24,460 --> 01:13:28,660
surveys that kind of thing we can get questions ahead of time those are my

889
01:13:28,660 --> 01:13:35,300
initial thoughts on it I did do a little research and in regards to what other

890
01:13:35,300 --> 01:13:40,900
communities are doing and overwhelmingly that is what they did. There are

891
01:13:40,900 --> 01:13:44,040
public forums, there are times for people to come together and talk about one

892
01:13:44,040 --> 01:13:50,040
subject which would be data centers and that's the more common approach. That

893
01:13:50,600 --> 01:13:56,780
that would be I would send it I would turn it back over to you Councilman

894
01:13:56,780 --> 01:14:03,000
Councilman Miller for you know your thoughts and input and further discussion you

895
01:14:03,000 --> 01:14:09,140
I will say that when I heard the gentleman from APEX talk about it, that was something

896
01:14:09,140 --> 01:14:15,700
that I was actively writing on, but the more thinking about it and talking about it,

897
01:14:16,360 --> 01:14:25,480
I think that we could, like you just said, we could hear from more of our citizens during

898
01:14:25,480 --> 01:14:31,220
a public forum, a well-designed public forum, and possibly more than one, because I think

899
01:14:31,220 --> 01:14:37,380
that there are, there's a lot of confusion, there's a lot of opinions,

900
01:14:40,020 --> 01:14:41,320
there's a lot of information,

901
01:14:41,560 --> 01:14:50,660
just the website that we have out there now, so a lot of information on that, and I'm

902
01:14:50,660 --> 01:14:57,260
not sure that our folks are actually taking the time to look at that because they can, and

903
01:14:57,260 --> 01:14:59,680
and we're going to update it.

904
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:28,640
We're asking you information comes in. I think that's important. I think a couple of forums would be good. And, again, instead of a committee, you tend to think of as five to 11 people or so. Instead of that, then is opening it up to all of our citizens to give us their input, to ask the questions.

905
01:15:28,640 --> 01:15:38,140
and so that we can help all of us learn more about the day is in or so that.

906
01:15:38,540 --> 01:15:43,740
Those are my thoughts now, kind of shifting a little bit, but...

907
01:15:44,440 --> 01:15:46,320
I agree with the public forum.

908
01:15:46,720 --> 01:15:47,960
That's a little cutting too.

909
01:15:48,460 --> 01:15:56,460
And you kind of pick the timing, Mr. City Manager, when we've got it kind of formulated

910
01:15:56,460 --> 01:16:00,280
and at least at some point and present that,

911
01:16:00,460 --> 01:16:03,260
all the areas of concern, the good, the bad,

912
01:16:03,460 --> 01:16:05,320
the ugly, because there's some good things about it.

913
01:16:05,740 --> 01:16:07,780
There's some things that we all have questions about

914
01:16:08,260 --> 01:16:11,760
and then take it from there and if we need it in a second,

915
01:16:11,960 --> 01:16:13,100
yes, that'd be fine too.

916
01:16:13,340 --> 01:16:15,700
I think that's about all we can do.

917
01:16:16,500 --> 01:16:18,840
I'm in agreement with that too,

918
01:16:19,000 --> 01:16:22,380
because if there's anything we really need

919
01:16:22,380 --> 01:16:27,200
to have a public forum on other than the water is data centers.

920
01:16:27,440 --> 01:16:30,900
And we need to make sure every citizen that has a concern

921
01:16:30,900 --> 01:16:35,540
has an opportunity to be heard because this information

922
01:16:35,540 --> 01:16:39,000
is just constantly evolving, it's changing,

923
01:16:39,520 --> 01:16:41,560
and you know, you got to scare stuff,

924
01:16:41,720 --> 01:16:43,060
and you got to not scare stuff.

925
01:16:43,740 --> 01:16:45,320
Everybody has an opinion.

926
01:16:46,040 --> 01:16:51,140
And so I think our citizens, because there is great concern

927
01:16:51,140 --> 01:16:58,000
about public safety. We would be remiss if we did not give them the opportunity to voice

928
01:16:59,740 --> 01:17:05,520
those concerns so that we can take it into consideration as we look at our video.

929
01:17:06,140 --> 01:17:10,180
Thank you, Councilman Nicola. Yeah, I just was going to add my, I think,

930
01:17:10,260 --> 01:17:15,460
that's a really good idea to do that. And possibly get people that are, you know,

931
01:17:15,460 --> 01:17:20,660
thinking about projects and kings might have to, I guess, talk about, you know, what they

932
01:17:20,660 --> 01:17:25,780
want to bring here and what they've decided to do about the electric power and, you know,

933
01:17:25,880 --> 01:17:31,200
so many people think that, well, because there, you know, there's a tremendous electrical

934
01:17:31,200 --> 01:17:35,260
need that all the power rates are going to go up and we're going to spend more money

935
01:17:35,260 --> 01:17:42,000
on utilities, but, you know, if that's the case, I want to see what's actually coming and

936
01:17:42,000 --> 01:17:44,520
and whether it fits or whether it doesn't fit in our community.

937
01:17:45,040 --> 01:17:49,200
So if they can be there to answer any of their questions,

938
01:17:49,460 --> 01:17:51,940
because there is one plan to be built.

939
01:17:52,320 --> 01:17:54,340
And we need to find out what it's going to be about.

940
01:17:54,480 --> 01:17:56,180
What it's going to be about, you know?

941
01:17:56,780 --> 01:17:59,720
I would say this, we have not a lot.

942
01:17:59,840 --> 01:18:01,400
We do have shut-ins that live in our town.

943
01:18:02,000 --> 01:18:03,980
And we have people who are struggling

944
01:18:03,980 --> 01:18:06,260
with transportation to get around.

945
01:18:06,420 --> 01:18:07,540
So I think we're going to do those.

946
01:18:08,140 --> 01:18:10,140
I think we should have, and I don't want

947
01:18:10,140 --> 01:18:14,760
a lot of work on the planning department and those guys, but I think we need to have

948
01:18:14,760 --> 01:18:17,220
maybe four of those meetings and put them in different quadrants.

949
01:18:17,960 --> 01:18:20,580
The churches are wherever, so people can get two of us to see them.

950
01:18:22,140 --> 01:18:25,100
You know, I'm like so much, I think Sheriff said it a while ago, a lot of people aren't

951
01:18:25,100 --> 01:18:29,400
looking at this website because they don't have access to computers or some of the seniors

952
01:18:29,400 --> 01:18:34,020
just don't know how to use the computers, but at least make it available where everybody

953
01:18:34,020 --> 01:18:35,120
can get two of us to see them.

954
01:18:36,760 --> 01:18:40,500
And, you know, like Ms. Tom said, this thing changes every hour.

955
01:18:41,600 --> 01:18:47,020
You know, I'm a digger to Fox News, I don't know why, but it changes every time you turn

956
01:18:47,020 --> 01:18:47,600
on TV on.

957
01:18:48,300 --> 01:18:51,640
So I think, you know, if our staff is going to keep up to date on them, and I know they

958
01:18:51,640 --> 01:18:57,280
will continue to do their research where they get the most updated information, I think it's

959
01:18:57,280 --> 01:18:57,680
a good thing.

960
01:18:57,820 --> 01:19:02,740
I think if you form a committee, and let's just say six people, eight people, those people,

961
01:19:03,260 --> 01:19:05,360
You know, are they going to get out here and talk to the public?

962
01:19:05,860 --> 01:19:06,460
You know, the problem?

963
01:19:06,840 --> 01:19:08,420
The sun may, but probably not all of them.

964
01:19:08,920 --> 01:19:11,100
So I think it is the best way to share that information.

965
01:19:13,500 --> 01:19:14,220
I tend to agree.

966
01:19:14,600 --> 01:19:17,360
I think that with a subcommittee,

967
01:19:17,540 --> 01:19:18,080
I have a subcommittee.

968
01:19:18,700 --> 01:19:22,300
The questions that people really have are going to get lost.

969
01:19:23,520 --> 01:19:26,560
And I think in the history of the meeting,

970
01:19:26,780 --> 01:19:29,280
our regular meetings that we have here,

971
01:19:29,400 --> 01:19:32,480
it's pretty clear that our citizens care about this issue.

972
01:19:33,520 --> 01:19:42,220
And I think that we owe it to them and to ourselves to have as much conversation as we can have about it so that we all know it is changing every day.

973
01:19:43,060 --> 01:19:48,880
So if we can get as much information under our hands as we can, I think that's the best thing for all of us.

974
01:19:49,940 --> 01:19:51,600
So we're sitting at the end of September.

975
01:19:52,500 --> 01:19:56,640
So a month from now is Halloween and then we're into what is really the Thanksgiving season.

976
01:19:56,640 --> 01:19:59,960
So in my opinion if we

977
01:20:00,000 --> 01:20:28,260
We did one of these. I think we should do it before the season of the holidays kicks in. And that probably puts you in between Halloween and November 10th-ish or that next week after. And I'm only putting that out there because if we don't, we won't. And one thing that I can state about this council is the transparency is greater than you get credit for on social media.

978
01:20:28,800 --> 01:20:34,420
and I think these kind of things lend itself to allow people to see that the

979
01:20:34,420 --> 01:20:38,820
transparency is real and we're not running away from anything. I mean when it

980
01:20:38,820 --> 01:20:43,000
comes to this we just didn't know and I will tell you it's it's great to learn

981
01:20:43,000 --> 01:20:46,940
I don't know if anyone saw the 60 minutes piece on Sunday but it's a great one to

982
01:20:46,940 --> 01:20:52,700
watch because even then from the last time they did a update on data center to

983
01:20:52,700 --> 01:20:58,340
now way more information and that's you know what we're what we're seeing every

984
01:20:58,340 --> 01:21:02,440
time we meet or hear from somebody new the technology changes very quickly

985
01:21:02,440 --> 01:21:09,380
and so I'd like to put that in council's lap just to have something occur

986
01:21:09,380 --> 01:21:16,480
before we head into the Thanksgiving holiday. I'm prepared to move as fast as I can

987
01:21:16,480 --> 01:21:18,960
I hadn't considered forward, but I will.

988
01:21:19,620 --> 01:21:25,320
But what my plan was, and again, we're doing considerably,

989
01:21:25,500 --> 01:21:27,500
we're doing considerably work every week,

990
01:21:27,760 --> 01:21:31,460
and between talking to other cities and towns,

991
01:21:31,680 --> 01:21:33,940
which we're doing, between talking to the school government,

992
01:21:34,400 --> 01:21:37,820
other cogs, I think we're on the right track,

993
01:21:37,980 --> 01:21:40,840
and we're close to having what we need in place.

994
01:21:41,440 --> 01:21:43,120
So the quicker we can fall,

995
01:21:43,120 --> 01:21:47,060
a form together, the better, the better for staff.

996
01:21:48,740 --> 01:21:50,520
So I'm prepared to do that.

997
01:21:51,980 --> 01:21:55,060
We can do it, we can do it anytime.

998
01:21:55,480 --> 01:21:56,320
Our staff can do it.

999
01:21:56,400 --> 01:21:58,880
I mean, if we're trying to work with y'all schedules

1000
01:21:58,880 --> 01:22:01,660
and you wanna be there and all that, you know,

1001
01:22:02,000 --> 01:22:04,320
we'll have to do that, so let me know,

1002
01:22:04,560 --> 01:22:06,420
but I'm prepared to do it right away.

1003
01:22:06,720 --> 01:22:07,800
Sooner, the better for us.

1004
01:22:08,200 --> 01:22:08,900
Did you work on a date?

1005
01:22:09,300 --> 01:22:09,600
I'm sorry.

1006
01:22:10,020 --> 01:22:10,180
I'm sorry.

1007
01:22:11,140 --> 01:22:11,700
I'm sorry.

1008
01:22:11,920 --> 01:22:12,960
Has this worked on a date?

1009
01:22:13,260 --> 01:22:13,860
Yeah, I mean.

1010
01:22:13,900 --> 01:22:14,700
We're working on it.

1011
01:22:14,920 --> 01:22:20,080
And I want to also say, you know, the public forum is going to be open to whoever shows

1012
01:22:20,080 --> 01:22:20,320
us.

1013
01:22:20,320 --> 01:22:20,580
That's right.

1014
01:22:21,320 --> 01:22:22,820
The developers can come.

1015
01:22:23,080 --> 01:22:24,180
They can speak their mind.

1016
01:22:24,340 --> 01:22:27,120
They can talk about the good they're doing or what.

1017
01:22:27,440 --> 01:22:29,320
So it's going to be open to anybody.

1018
01:22:30,580 --> 01:22:31,880
We'll hear from one and all.

1019
01:22:32,320 --> 01:22:34,920
The problem suggests you give us three or four days.

1020
01:22:35,760 --> 01:22:35,800
Just.

1021
01:22:35,800 --> 01:22:42,600
And it doesn't happen before, I'm sorry, it doesn't happen before, but I'm just making sure that if they can't come to us and we take the information to them.

1022
01:22:42,960 --> 01:22:43,180
Okay.

1023
01:22:43,480 --> 01:22:49,460
I mean, we work for them, and I know that you don't, you work for us, but we answer to the public.

1024
01:22:49,900 --> 01:22:54,040
And, you know, I think it's only fair that we make every year if we can get that information to them.

1025
01:22:54,520 --> 01:22:56,900
So we'll see if we can find some of that place to start.

1026
01:22:57,660 --> 01:22:59,040
Patrick Sam, for the seniors.

1027
01:23:00,320 --> 01:23:03,380
Well, we can go down there one day and do that, and we need you to.

1028
01:23:03,900 --> 01:23:12,660
And that might be the rather than saying upfront, there's going to be four different ones.

1029
01:23:13,600 --> 01:23:15,880
We do one in the evening.

1030
01:23:16,080 --> 01:23:17,780
Maybe there's one in the...

1031
01:23:17,780 --> 01:23:18,860
I didn't suggest four.

1032
01:23:19,200 --> 01:23:20,020
No, you didn't.

1033
01:23:20,180 --> 01:23:21,260
But Jim had the air.

1034
01:23:21,280 --> 01:23:22,960
Yeah, I just said we should get a day.

1035
01:23:23,220 --> 01:23:24,120
Get a day.

1036
01:23:25,820 --> 01:23:26,040
Right.

1037
01:23:26,680 --> 01:23:27,220
We get one more.

1038
01:23:27,220 --> 01:23:28,280
But we could be there.

1039
01:23:28,480 --> 01:23:28,660
Right.

1040
01:23:28,740 --> 01:23:30,060
I think it's important that we're there.

1041
01:23:30,360 --> 01:23:30,440
Right.

1042
01:23:30,440 --> 01:23:33,620
I can, but there's always something come up, so.

1043
01:23:33,980 --> 01:23:36,500
That might be a good idea, I hadn't thought about that,

1044
01:23:36,760 --> 01:23:38,360
a daytime and a nighttime and a union.

1045
01:23:38,820 --> 01:23:42,720
That's, and that does too, and I think that is manageable.

1046
01:23:43,140 --> 01:23:45,660
Four is a great idea, I know exactly what you're saying that,

1047
01:23:45,800 --> 01:23:48,380
but some of this information, this is why I don't like

1048
01:23:48,380 --> 01:23:50,600
that the newsletter is not in the utility bill,

1049
01:23:50,780 --> 01:23:53,040
because that's where we could find people

1050
01:23:53,040 --> 01:23:57,160
who aren't savvy online, and that information gets to them,

1051
01:23:57,220 --> 01:23:58,760
and we know at least it's in there,

1052
01:23:58,760 --> 01:24:03,260
because people will get it from social media online and there.

1053
01:24:04,300 --> 01:24:06,740
The newsletters won't back on the utility bill by the way.

1054
01:24:06,920 --> 01:24:07,580
Oh, it is, excellent.

1055
01:24:07,960 --> 01:24:10,180
But it also goes back to what New Zealand grants did earlier.

1056
01:24:10,380 --> 01:24:11,100
We lavish people.

1057
01:24:12,140 --> 01:24:13,420
They can see them on TV.

1058
01:24:13,960 --> 01:24:15,420
They can't, they can't tell them the news.

1059
01:24:16,720 --> 01:24:18,380
Yeah, a lot of children, you have to do it here.

1060
01:24:19,800 --> 01:24:21,480
So we can't go out and do a set.

1061
01:24:21,760 --> 01:24:22,860
This could be the evening.

1062
01:24:23,560 --> 01:24:24,220
It would end with days.

1063
01:24:26,200 --> 01:24:37,760
I think for transparency, say I agree, I think I've always asked, I've always asked, I've

1064
01:24:37,760 --> 01:24:44,700
always just kidding, but I've always asked, but what I said it again, that's true, I do think

1065
01:24:44,700 --> 01:24:49,920
that Mr. West is bringing up something that I do think is valuable, and that is if it lives

1066
01:24:49,920 --> 01:24:57,460
online people will be able to tell them to go to it so I do think that it

1067
01:24:57,460 --> 01:24:59,540
makes some sense if one of those is

1068
01:25:00,590 --> 01:25:29,670
I'm sitting there for them to be able to see it. And if you do, too, and you think you're not finished, then you do a third. Yeah. That's the way that's what you do. Yeah. Sure. So as of today, nothing actionable. We're just looking for a date to be on. Do you all want to take a couple of days now that work for you? I mean, I'll have to schedule with if we're doing it here, not a problem.

1069
01:25:29,670 --> 01:25:31,270
And we can do the first one here.

1070
01:25:33,530 --> 01:25:35,090
It sounds to me that you're-

1071
01:25:35,090 --> 01:25:41,010
I'll have to schedule with the senior senior just to see what, you know, make sure they're not doing something in a daytime.

1072
01:25:41,510 --> 01:25:45,030
And it sounds like you're open to even sooner than what I was speaking of.

1073
01:25:45,170 --> 01:25:45,510
Is that true?

1074
01:25:46,250 --> 01:25:47,410
What do we do in October?

1075
01:25:49,230 --> 01:25:50,070
Sometime in October.

1076
01:25:52,610 --> 01:26:00,650
Yeah, that's the only issue is if we pick to date tomorrow this week, it would be okay if it's late October.

1077
01:26:00,650 --> 01:26:10,390
over but otherwise other than I know it's for Karen and

1078
01:26:10,390 --> 01:26:15,650
Aisha but I think it's helpful when you send us several

1079
01:26:15,650 --> 01:26:19,670
dates and we respond back to that rather than us trying to

1080
01:26:19,670 --> 01:26:22,070
pick something. We can do that. That's not well a

1081
01:26:22,070 --> 01:26:25,250
spacious senior center to see where when days we can't do

1082
01:26:25,250 --> 01:26:28,150
there. We'll do that. We'll see what we'll do. We're all

1083
01:26:28,150 --> 01:26:31,890
there. I mean, you know, it would be good if it were with this, it's not required. Right.

1084
01:26:32,250 --> 01:26:36,250
Well, I think we're all going to want to be there. I agree, but I mean, if somebody has something

1085
01:26:36,250 --> 01:26:40,850
already scheduled, you know, you can't expect, you can't expect. Right. They actually put it off

1086
01:26:40,850 --> 01:26:44,410
for that. Right. Well, we'll send you some dates tomorrow.

1087
01:26:44,790 --> 01:26:52,390
Would it also be possible to put something on the website like a portal that people could

1088
01:26:53,530 --> 01:26:56,150
ask questions that would go directly to you?

1089
01:26:58,030 --> 01:27:06,570
I think you did that for water didn't you didn't you have questions ahead of time or no now. I'm just talking about not

1090
01:27:07,290 --> 01:27:14,690
Yeah, I think questions ahead of time or the forum, but I'm talking about just kind of ongoing. I got it. If somebody

1091
01:27:16,050 --> 01:27:19,300
Sit in at home. Thanks. I think

1092
01:27:19,300 --> 01:27:23,240
But I wouldn't go there because he's got a work.

1093
01:27:23,440 --> 01:27:25,920
I mean, you go.

1094
01:27:26,180 --> 01:27:29,440
You're going to have to get the questions in the forum.

1095
01:27:29,920 --> 01:27:34,040
I mean, he'd be on the everybody's sending stuff.

1096
01:27:34,580 --> 01:27:37,500
I want him to be able to manage the city.

1097
01:27:40,300 --> 01:27:41,560
Just give us some.

1098
01:27:41,920 --> 01:27:42,660
I make a recommendation.

1099
01:27:42,980 --> 01:27:44,060
We'll get three or four dates.

1100
01:27:44,400 --> 01:27:45,700
You come up with it.

1101
01:27:45,800 --> 01:27:46,900
You figure it out Todd.

1102
01:27:47,040 --> 01:27:48,060
You let us know.

1103
01:27:48,060 --> 01:27:49,480
and we move forward.

1104
01:27:49,720 --> 01:27:50,480
Last second, Dave.

1105
01:27:50,760 --> 01:27:51,700
Thank you very much.

1106
01:27:52,860 --> 01:27:53,680
How you doing?

1107
01:27:54,600 --> 01:27:54,740
Good.

1108
01:27:55,420 --> 01:27:55,580
Good.

1109
01:27:56,280 --> 01:27:57,260
Thank you.

1110
01:28:00,280 --> 01:28:00,700
Great discussion.

1111
01:28:01,060 --> 01:28:01,380
All right.

1112
01:28:01,580 --> 01:28:04,640
Number 10 is a difficult one motion to adjourn.

1113
01:28:04,680 --> 01:28:05,400
So moved.

1114
01:28:05,640 --> 01:28:06,240
Make a motion.

1115
01:28:06,380 --> 01:28:07,180
We adjourn.

1116
01:28:07,340 --> 01:28:07,640
I'm sorry.

1117
01:28:08,400 --> 01:28:12,000
Mr. Nicelair with the motion seconded by Sharon Miller.

1118
01:28:12,480 --> 01:28:14,480
And everybody said yes, except any time.

1119
01:28:14,480 --> 01:28:15,260
So you'd like to stay.

1120
01:28:15,620 --> 01:28:17,080
Thank you all for attending.

1121
01:28:17,080 --> 01:28:20,740
it is always good. It is always good to have you here.