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Good evening everybody. Have an

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invitation.

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position tonight.

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Stand for the flag of

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the United States of America and to the

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republic for which it stands. One nation

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under God, indivisible, with liberty and

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justice for all.

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likely to call this meeting to order at

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7:04 p.m. Sasha, could you do a rolling

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>> here? Trusty Smith

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>> here.

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>> Trusty Wland

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>> here.

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>> Trusty Stone

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>> here.

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>> Trusty Sh

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>> here.

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>> And also present is Lindsay.

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>> Yes, Lindsy.

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>> Lindsay Sloan. Thank you.

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>> Um

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and then agenda.

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Do we have approval of our agenda this

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evening?

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» All those in favor say I.

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>> Those same names.

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[clears throat]

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>> And the agenda has been approved by the

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whole council.

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Public comment. Do we have anybody

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signed up for public comment this

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evening? Anybody online?

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» Not gonna have to read that. No public

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comment.

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>> Okay. Work sessions updating the town's

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building code.

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>> Presentation by

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see all of you. I've seen some of you

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already, but good to see you and put a

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name that uh with the rest of you. My

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name is Tom Pitchk. I'm the building

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official for the county. I work for

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state build. Uh I've been your building

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official now for

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two and a half years. Um but just a

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little background with me, I've been at

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this for 30 plus years. So, um done this

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a long time. Um this is my first

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presentation to you guys. Please don't

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hesitate to ask questions. That's what

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this is about. Um, what I'd like to

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present tonight is updating the building

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code for the town to the 2024 codes. The

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2027 are going to be coming out in

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January. Um there is a requirement with

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the state that you're no three codes

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behind code cycles which are every three

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years behind on your energy code.

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Because of that

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we need to adopt a new code.

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The state somewhat in their own way

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mandate that we keep up and that's one

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of the ways they do it.

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>> What's the penalty if [clears throat] we

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Good question. That would be a good

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question to put towards your

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» just

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[clears throat]

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don't take this remotely personal.

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» we were

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and there was a big push for us to go

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from I can't remember what it was

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>> now here's the thing that nobody

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explained to us

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um and part of that it it it

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was presented in a similar fashion that

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you know this is going to be mandated by

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the state and the Elmer County did this

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and you know we need to do but nobody

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and I want to dive off for a second in

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the political realm that I hate doing

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that but

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there's a lot of chatter about

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affordable housing and all this going um

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in big cap. Okay.

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When we went from 12 to 18, you change

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the build price of a house because of

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the added extra energy

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mandated. You don't get to choose.

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country.

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You added anywhere from $10 to $16 a

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square foot.

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terrible

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and so I [clears throat] have I have a

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hard time.

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I mean I realize what our governor

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thinks but at the same time I don't work

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for him.

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>> Neither do I.

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>> Right. I work for this town. I work for

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the people here. I work for the future

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of this. So,

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I I kind of hijacked your deal early.

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Please walk me through this, but if you

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can't explain, explain because it wasn't

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at the time. And and after we proved

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that, then I had two contractors sit me

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down and they said, "Do you realize

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that, you know, if you pour a concrete

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floor shop that you have to have this

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and this and this under the concrete

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because it's supposed to be insulated.

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because of the building codes, that's

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what we have to do. Um, and so I guess

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as you go through, if you could explain

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because it's going to change the cost. I

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mean, there's nothing our government

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does to us that ever makes anything

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cheaper.

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>> Agreed.

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>> And and all the the crap for the

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electrical and lights on my light bill.

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I've got every LED whatever crap light

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bulb in my house. My bill still comes

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though. So

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anyway,

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>> I do have a slide in here that addresses

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the increase in cost

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um from the energy code basis. I can

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tell you um part of the reason that I

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want to skip the 21 code is because it

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was probably one of the most stringent

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unobtainable

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energy codes ever written.

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Being honest, very difficult. Um, I'll

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be honest,

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in a roundabout way, probably some those

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of us in the industry

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are responsible.

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code and of course they randomly

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um so the requirements in the 21 code

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were a lot of industry based

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requirements.

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industry for years um saw that saw that

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it was not obtainable, saw that it had

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gotten out of control and got very

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involved in the code cycle for the 24

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and the 27 to bring that back into

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shall I say a reality state.

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So you said the 24 code two parts of the

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21 is dialed back so

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>> quite a bit. The energy code is dialed

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back quite matter of fact

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a lot

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18 energy and the 24 energy tote. I'll

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be honest with you again I have a slide

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uh home builders association

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just so you know you're talking about

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builders. All the builders are members

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of the homebuilders association. They

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did a a actual uh cost analysis.

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just energy code. The additional cost

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for an average 2500 home

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for energy.

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gas?

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additional cost to build it. That may

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not be the cost passed down to

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but the cost to the building. The

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additional cost according to the home

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builders association, which is nowhere

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a building by any means. They represent

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home builders. Um they did the analysis

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on a national level and there's about

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$200 cost between 18.

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between 18 and 21 at the moment.

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really not exactly the same but very

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close to the 18

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just to give you a head so that you

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better understand what I'm here to

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present.

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» So energy code is 99%

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is you asking about all the codes across

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the board obviously would apply to

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everything commercial residential um

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even the new school

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all of that I can give you a great idea

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and the state architectural's office

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which is the one who will control the

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new school as far as what code to build

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under has adopted the 2024 code.

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based off

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because the state of course controls it.

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section 114 about the duties and powers

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of the building official. They were all

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good things as far as I'm concerned. Of

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course, being a building official, it

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gave us a little bit more control to be

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able to take care of things when they go

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wrong.

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there's a sub section underneath it for

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inspection warrants under the right of

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entry. It basically gives me the ability

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to actually get a warrant to be able to

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go into somebody's house under right of

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entry when they're doing something wrong

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under building code. Otherwise, I have

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no right and I have no right to walk

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into any of your houses tomorrow and say

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this doesn't become that doesn't become

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that's not what it gives me. What it

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gives me is the ability to share

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a warrant not cooperation from somebody

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who's decided they wanted to build a

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house and they don't want to follow the

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rules.

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So, it's a good thing, not a bad thing.

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And I'm not big on going into any of

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these I don't have my business.

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I promise you I live in a house that was

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built in 1980

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does not make correct

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absolutely does not that code

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but it doesn't make cor

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but they don't have there is nothing

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that forces you to update your home to

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meet current code new work home but your

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existing um you don't have anything that

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meets or or requires you to meet

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the way to get nor do I want to way too

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much.

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» So with the new technology

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no this is what this is about. This is

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exactly what this is about. I love the

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questions.

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>> So when when you add on to when we have

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all the regulations and new um

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[clears throat] materials probably.

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say the electrical, if the electrical is 1980s,

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is it recommended to change that or

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whether that's a remodel or an addition?

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Those are the parts that we inspect.

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That's the only right I had to inspect.

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So when I go in to inspect those items,

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I'm going in and looking at that

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additional.

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I'm not looking at anything else in your

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home, nor do I have the right to.

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>> So then it would apply to repairs as

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well as opposed to a new addition. But

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if, god forbid, something happen, it

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would apply to that.

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>> Correct. It would. And most

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insuranceances, hopefully if you're

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doing something went wrong and you had

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catastrophic, the fire, flood, whatever.

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uh your insurance. Most insurance

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policies have what they call code

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upgrade to them to where it will pay for

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the additional cost to bring up whatever

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that repair is to the current code

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standard.

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Not all policies but most do.

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There was some changing on exterior

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walls firewall construction especially

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on multif family. So if somebody wanted

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to build a duplex in town,

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most of the time we had what they call

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an imaginary lot line that would go

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between those duplexes. There was a lot

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of confusion in past code cycles as to

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how that worked and how the firewalls

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worked on that lot line, the imaginary

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one that's not really there on paper,

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but it's there for building purposes.

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They did some clarification in the 24

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code to help clarify that so that it was

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more for builders and for fishes on how

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to apply that when we do plan review and

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inspection.

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>> So that was something that changed.

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>> Same thing for condos.

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It'll be a little

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bit different.

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So multifamily. Yes. Once you get over

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certain numbers of units, you start to

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get into the IBC instead of the IRC,

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>> which is completely different code. It's

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basically the commercial code because of

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the number of units. Um and same thing

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they did some clarification in how those

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firewalls exist but they weren't there

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to start with in the bill in the IDC

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then they were in the IRC so we asked

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for some clarification on that

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particular item and got it adopted to

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the 24 code and it's remained in the 27

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also

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>> I'm in real estate so Sure.

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Two family dwelling. There was always a

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question about horizontal separation.

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You get a dwelling unit that's above and

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below. Even on a two family, not common,

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by the way, for two family dwelling

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units to have a horizontal separation.

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Typically, when you see two families,

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it's a vertical. So, you have a unit

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here and a unit here. It's becoming a

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lot more common now to do this and stack

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them.

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Reason why

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ground costs money.

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I can stack units can go up on the same

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footprint

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and I use up less lot than if I have to

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put them side by side. So I can get more

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square footage by stacking units on top

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of each other on the same size lot. Make

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sense?

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So they did some clarification. They did

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start talking about notice uh for smoke

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and fire alarms so that if there were a

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fire downstairs, it would annunciate

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also to the people in the second story

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so that uh they weren't sound asleep

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with the building burning down around

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them. So there was some clarification

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put in for that.

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We had some clarification on sleeping

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loops.

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Everybody talking about uh tiny homes or

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trying to get more per footage in a

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smaller footprint. Sleeping loss are

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becoming more and more

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and they were not directly addressed in

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the code. They are now. So in the 18

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code, they're not directly addressed.

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It's difficult for a building official

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to know how to apply that and when and

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how the regulations apply to a sleeping

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area. That's a sleeping loft. We've now

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clarified that there was also uh

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clarification added for separate hands, of guards and how those apply. Um

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again,

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doesn't directly affect most of these

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I'm talking to you about don't affect

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some do but on a very scale

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and also one of those things they

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adjusted it to clear heights doesn't affect the cost of putting in

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hand rail in the state. It's just a

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clarification item. But these are the

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big items especially for us

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because we're asking to clarify ways to

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do our job and to make sure it's clear

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for those who are homeowners

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and designers.

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sleep offs ceiling heights not less than

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seven feet for 50% of the space. This is

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some of the clarification we were given

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for lofts. What's considered a sleep off

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um permanent eress is required whether

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that's ladders or stairs.

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Ladders have to be inclined 70 to 80°

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and horizontal.

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What's driving a lot of this? Believe it

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or not, tiny home

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getting some clarification because most

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tiny homes that's exactly what they are

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asleep is a sleep.

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They wanted to use removable ladders

402
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space time

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ladders that are vertical.

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They're unsafe for means of egress to

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get in and out of that area, especially

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if you're half asleep.

407
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So again, a lot of clarification put in

408
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to this. For most of us, a straight up

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and down ladder is an issue if you're

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wide awake, much less sound.

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Energy storage and vehicle protection.

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We have not had one out here yet, but I

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guarantee you there's a time coming,

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especially with the the new craze for

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soil that people right now, most 99% of

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the ones I've met.

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Most 99% of those are what we call DD

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system. The energy produced by the solar

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panels on the roof are put directly back

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in the grid.

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and it's deducted off your electrical

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bill.

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Storage, on the other hand, the energy

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is put into a battery bank that's

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typically in your garage 99.9% of the

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time. They do now make some weatherproof

427
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ones that can go outside. Um, but

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extremely expensive. They're expensive

429
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to start with. Um, but they're typically

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lithium batteries. They're placed in a

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unit, a storage container inside your

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garage. They store the power

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and then when you need it, when you're

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using more energy than the solar

435
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producing, they pull that power back out

436
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of those batteries.

437
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Great.

438
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>> Except we've all seen the new fires,

439
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right, with let's say electric cars.

440
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Same battery systems, by the way.

441
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They don't do well with being

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damaged.

443
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They typically will start

444
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not always.

445
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» You know, so to prevent a lot of that

446
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from happening, they now came in with

447
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some new regulations on if you're going

448
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to put energy storage in your garage,

449
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you have to provide protection, very

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specific impact protection.

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wood barriers or an approved means that

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can resist the impact of 2,000 pounds

453
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per square foot 24 in above

454
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the ground.

455
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>> The ventilation required

456
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>> ventilation requirements. Most lithium

457
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ion does not require ventilation.

458
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Some do depending on how they're

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produced and how they're packaged and so

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on, but they don't off gas typically

461
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like lead acid batter for instance.

462
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>> So they don't have any off gas. They're

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sealed. Hence the reason they don't like

464
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to be damaged

465
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>> because they break and then you start to

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get a heat and fire and so on. Um this

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is something that was added. It's the only added cost other than the

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protection itself is they've also added

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a 20 minute self-latching self-closing

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door between your garage and the house.

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I will tell you most builders put a

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20-minute door in already.

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The only difference is is the self

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closing self.

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So if I were to put solar on my house,

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they would have to come in and inspect

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it too.

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>> It would require a permit and then we

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would come out in

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part of that requirement comes from the

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electric. So they will not put a meter

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in without us inspecting it first. So

483
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there's a break in what they look at and

484
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what

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they look at everything. easiest way to

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describe it, they're responsible for

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everything up to the top side of your

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meter, your electrical heater. We're

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responsible for everything below it.

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They don't like and don't want the

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liability of energizing something and

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have a house burn down. So, they require

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us to go in and do an electrical

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inspection beforehand or the state in

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this case

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um to look at that and make sure that

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everything's checked on the back side

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before they actually allow their energy

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to go into it. Make sense?

500
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>> Yeah. We also look at whether your house

501
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can take the solar. So, there is an

502
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additional load placed on your wall when

503
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you put solar panels. We review to make

504
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sure that you indeed have proper roof

505
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that will support that additional load.

506
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Last thing you want to do is try to save

507
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energy by putting solar on and have your

508
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roof collided

509
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requirements for that protection for

510
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that energy storage. Let me put it in

511
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there to show you how complicated this

512
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can get and why it requires permitting

513
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and requires us to review it is here's

514
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how depending on where that energy

515
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storage is placed what the requirements

516
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are to prevent it from being damaged and

517
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obviously having

518
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this became a huge issue

519
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the more design they come up with now on

520
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hand

521
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instead of it being supported because

522
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now the big design is open. We want

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those areas wide open. So, they've been

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supporting them off the floor.

525
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There were no requirements on how that

526
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forward was built to support that

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additional

528
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load being applied to your floor. All

529
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against our grad supposed to prevent you

530
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from falling off of the stairs.

531
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>> There was no requirement on how the

532
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floor had to beed up to take that

533
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additional load. We all think about

534
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guardrails. Through the years, they were

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designed to be supported by a law.

536
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Because this openness started to become

537
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more and more of an issue, they now put

538
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a requirement in the code of what that

539
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door has to be able to withstand so that

540
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if one of us trips and falls, which I'm

541
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doing,

542
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and hits the guard rail, the floor

543
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system itself will support that

544
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additional dope applied to it when it's

545
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when I fall against it so that the

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guardrail actually does what it's

547
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supposed to.

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>> Good addition.

549
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saying that they can't hear you.

550
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» First,

551
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>> I've always said I'm too loud.

552
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» Let's see if I can fix that. We had some

553
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problems with that last meeting.

554
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Okay.

555
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» Okay. See if they can hear it now.

556
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>> Can everybody hear me now?

557
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that last

558
00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:32,159
I don't think anybody's talking so

559
00:26:32,159 --> 00:26:40,789
nobody can hear

560
00:26:40,799 --> 00:26:42,400
» again

561
00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:47,909
if they give you another text from there

562
00:26:47,919 --> 00:26:52,549
» I'm going to try to face

563
00:26:52,559 --> 00:26:57,190
Maybe

564
00:26:57,200 --> 00:26:58,799
scared

565
00:26:58,799 --> 00:27:00,240
>> here. Let me do this, too. I did this

566
00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:03,120
last time and that seemed to help, too.

567
00:27:03,120 --> 00:27:05,279
>> Okay.

568
00:27:05,279 --> 00:27:07,520
>> Yeah. Now, oh, okay.

569
00:27:07,520 --> 00:27:08,159
>> Good.

570
00:27:08,159 --> 00:27:09,658
>> Okay. Yep. Go ahead. We'll

571
00:27:09,658 --> 00:27:12,159
[clears throat] try. All right.

572
00:27:12,159 --> 00:27:14,559
Behind deck ledgers was a word that was

573
00:27:14,559 --> 00:27:16,799
added to reiterate the fact that the

574
00:27:16,799 --> 00:27:19,919
barrier has to be continuous behind the

575
00:27:19,919 --> 00:27:22,080
ledger. We were getting into flashing

576
00:27:22,080 --> 00:27:24,640
issues where people were saying well it

577
00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:26,960
doesn't say that that flashing has to go

578
00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:28,960
completely behind the ledger. So I put

579
00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:31,279
flashing above it and that's all that's

580
00:27:31,279 --> 00:27:34,400
required. That was not the intent of the

581
00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:37,120
code. So the language is was added in

582
00:27:37,120 --> 00:27:39,600
there to say no,

583
00:27:39,600 --> 00:27:41,679
it has to be continuous behind the

584
00:27:41,679 --> 00:27:44,000
ledger that attaches to your house. You

585
00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:46,640
have to flash completely behind it as a

586
00:27:46,640 --> 00:27:49,120
water barrier. That's what that flashing

587
00:27:49,120 --> 00:27:51,120
does to prevent water from getting

588
00:27:51,120 --> 00:27:54,000
inside your building structure. Um you'd

589
00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:56,080
be amazed that the builders deck

590
00:27:56,080 --> 00:27:59,919
builders did not want to do this.

591
00:27:59,919 --> 00:28:03,440
They wanted to argue what it says.

592
00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:05,840
So we added language in there or asked

593
00:28:05,840 --> 00:28:09,039
ICC to add language in there

594
00:28:09,039 --> 00:28:17,430
indicated that barrier completely so

595
00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:19,200
seems like a pretty common sense thing

596
00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:23,009
but should be

597
00:28:23,019 --> 00:28:24,480
[clears throat]

598
00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:33,669
I picked this picture just for

599
00:28:33,679 --> 00:28:36,480
It is probably one of the most

600
00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:38,559
controversial things that have come

601
00:28:38,559 --> 00:28:40,880
along in my lifetime. Again, I I've been

602
00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:43,440
doing this 30 plus years. When I started

603
00:28:43,440 --> 00:28:45,120
this, there was no such thing as energy

604
00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:47,279
code, green code, any of those other

605
00:28:47,279 --> 00:28:49,600
codes. They have come along through the

606
00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:52,159
years and become more and more prevalent

607
00:28:52,159 --> 00:28:54,559
and of course for numerous reasons. A

608
00:28:54,559 --> 00:28:56,080
lot of them, I'll be honest, I have my

609
00:28:56,080 --> 00:28:59,600
own opinion is political. Um, but that's

610
00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:01,600
neither here nor there. They're here and

611
00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:04,880
they're here to stay. Um, and like it or

612
00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:07,039
not, the municipalities have to deal

613
00:29:07,039 --> 00:29:12,880
with them. Um, they have given us

614
00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:15,120
three ways to meet their need. So, it's

615
00:29:15,120 --> 00:29:17,360
not a black and white thing anymore.

616
00:29:17,360 --> 00:29:18,799
Used to be you had a prescripting

617
00:29:18,799 --> 00:29:21,970
method. That was it. You use R13

618
00:29:21,970 --> 00:29:22,640
[snorts]

619
00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:25,600
insulation in the walls, R38 insulation

620
00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:28,000
in the attic. Uh depending on how you

621
00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:29,840
built your floor system, you had an R

622
00:29:29,840 --> 00:29:31,919
value that was put in the floors and you

623
00:29:31,919 --> 00:29:34,799
were done. That was it. Years ago, that

624
00:29:34,799 --> 00:29:38,799
was it. We've now come up with basically

625
00:29:38,799 --> 00:29:42,480
different methods in which to accomplish

626
00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:44,960
energy code compliance.

627
00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:47,600
prescriptive is one of them and it's

628
00:29:47,600 --> 00:29:50,080
probably depending on the building

629
00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:54,399
become the more difficult method to meet

630
00:29:54,399 --> 00:29:56,399
compliance.

631
00:29:56,399 --> 00:29:58,240
You have prescriptive, you have

632
00:29:58,240 --> 00:30:01,279
simulated performance and you have EOI.

633
00:30:01,279 --> 00:30:03,679
All of those things are basically to

634
00:30:03,679 --> 00:30:07,520
simplify it a tradeoff method.

635
00:30:07,520 --> 00:30:10,880
So if I have a certain U factor, which

636
00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:13,919
is the energy factor in a window, let's

637
00:30:13,919 --> 00:30:17,760
say that I'm required to put in,

638
00:30:17,760 --> 00:30:19,840
if I find that if I go a little bit

639
00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:22,399
higher on that U factor and that window

640
00:30:22,399 --> 00:30:26,399
only costs me, for instance, $60 more,

641
00:30:26,399 --> 00:30:29,520
but because of that, I can put less

642
00:30:29,520 --> 00:30:32,960
insulation in my attic. And that

643
00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:34,720
additional insulation was going to cost

644
00:30:34,720 --> 00:30:37,120
me

645
00:30:37,120 --> 00:30:41,760
$300 more. Why wouldn't I do it? Still

646
00:30:41,760 --> 00:30:44,559
get the end result, but I'm able to do

647
00:30:44,559 --> 00:30:47,919
it in a cheaper fashion.

648
00:30:47,919 --> 00:30:50,080
So, it's basically a tradeoff method.

649
00:30:50,080 --> 00:30:52,080
And there are programs out there who

650
00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:54,720
will actually will actually do this for

651
00:30:54,720 --> 00:30:56,000
them.

652
00:30:56,000 --> 00:30:59,679
So it's it's actually

653
00:30:59,679 --> 00:31:02,240
again technology has come a long way but

654
00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:03,840
there are programs out there that any

655
00:31:03,840 --> 00:31:06,320
one of you can download on your computer

656
00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:08,799
put in the square footage put in what

657
00:31:08,799 --> 00:31:10,799
direction your house faces which gives

658
00:31:10,799 --> 00:31:13,039
you plus or minuses too because of solar

659
00:31:13,039 --> 00:31:17,279
gain and you're able to plug in what

660
00:31:17,279 --> 00:31:18,720
you're going to build and it can tell

661
00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:19,679
you whether you're going to be

662
00:31:19,679 --> 00:31:22,399
compliant. It can also tell you that if

663
00:31:22,399 --> 00:31:25,440
you didn't if you do less here, what you

664
00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:28,159
have to do elsewhere to make up for it.

665
00:31:28,159 --> 00:31:30,320
Pretty neat systems out there nowadays

666
00:31:30,320 --> 00:31:32,559
that help builders

667
00:31:32,559 --> 00:31:34,799
help building departments figure out

668
00:31:34,799 --> 00:31:36,159
whether you're going to be compliant

669
00:31:36,159 --> 00:31:40,080
with energy bill. So, it has gotten to

670
00:31:40,080 --> 00:31:43,200
your response better.

671
00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:47,120
Not perfect, but better. I will not say

672
00:31:47,120 --> 00:31:49,600
that it's a perfect system. and and you

673
00:31:49,600 --> 00:31:51,679
and I can talk offline about energy

674
00:31:51,679 --> 00:31:55,679
code, but um it's it's not a perfect

675
00:31:55,679 --> 00:31:57,679
system, but it certainly has gotten

676
00:31:57,679 --> 00:32:00,240
better than it was. There was a huge

677
00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:03,039
cost increase between 2012 and 18. No

678
00:32:03,039 --> 00:32:05,760
doubt. No doubt. Wouldn't argue that at

679
00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:07,519
all.

680
00:32:07,519 --> 00:32:11,200
As I said, that increase based on the

681
00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:14,080
home builders association, not info I'm

682
00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:15,919
trying to tell you, but info that the

683
00:32:15,919 --> 00:32:17,760
homebuilders association has put out

684
00:32:17,760 --> 00:32:21,679
there. the increases now minimalized. I

685
00:32:21,679 --> 00:32:23,760
won't say it's cheaper. Nothing's

686
00:32:23,760 --> 00:32:28,240
cheaper. Go fill up your gas tank.

687
00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:30,000
It's not cheaper. It's not cheaper to

688
00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:34,159
build anything today,

689
00:32:34,159 --> 00:32:38,080
but we're hoping to to mitigate that

690
00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:41,360
down to as small a dollar amount as we

691
00:32:41,360 --> 00:32:45,679
can. Does it benefit the town

692
00:32:45,679 --> 00:32:51,200
the cost of their money? has no benefit

693
00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:53,919
that I know maybe you guys know I don't

694
00:32:53,919 --> 00:32:59,029
know as long as you're building

695
00:32:59,039 --> 00:33:01,039
based on this is the slide I was talking

696
00:33:01,039 --> 00:33:02,799
about based on the current cost

697
00:33:02,799 --> 00:33:06,640
comparison from national HBA committee

698
00:33:06,640 --> 00:33:10,000
so this is national homebuilders from 18

699
00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:12,880
to 21

700
00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:16,480
cost increase went up $3,500

701
00:33:16,480 --> 00:33:22,720
18 to 21. 21 to 24 the cost decreased by

702
00:33:22,720 --> 00:33:25,279
36.

703
00:33:25,279 --> 00:33:27,679
If you do the math that tells you the

704
00:33:27,679 --> 00:33:31,200
difference between a 21 code, a 24 code

705
00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:36,070
that I was speaking about.

706
00:33:36,080 --> 00:33:38,640
The price technically

707
00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:43,990
has gone down.

708
00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:46,799
There was a huge increase between 18 and

709
00:33:46,799 --> 00:33:48,480
21

710
00:33:48,480 --> 00:33:50,159
and that's when we got more involved

711
00:33:50,159 --> 00:33:52,240
like I said and said this is ridiculous.

712
00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:54,399
This is not something that can be with

713
00:33:54,399 --> 00:33:56,559
stern. We just can't do it. It was

714
00:33:56,559 --> 00:33:58,399
getting to a point where it was getting

715
00:33:58,399 --> 00:34:00,640
almost impossible to build a new family

716
00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:03,440
structure. And I'll be honest with you,

717
00:34:03,440 --> 00:34:08,480
I don't currently know any jurisdiction

718
00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:12,320
that has adopted the 21 energy code.

719
00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:14,240
I know jurisdictions in one of my

720
00:34:14,240 --> 00:34:17,760
jurisdictions adopted the 21 codes but

721
00:34:17,760 --> 00:34:21,359
stayed on the 18 energy code for this

722
00:34:21,359 --> 00:34:23,679
exact reason.

723
00:34:23,679 --> 00:34:26,960
That makes my life miserable because

724
00:34:26,960 --> 00:34:31,119
different code cycles don't talk well.

725
00:34:31,119 --> 00:34:34,720
So it is extremely difficult to

726
00:34:34,720 --> 00:34:37,760
enforce an 18 code with a 21 code for

727
00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:41,760
instance. Uh I highly recommend any

728
00:34:41,760 --> 00:34:44,240
jurisdiction not do that. Not unless you

729
00:34:44,240 --> 00:34:46,399
want to see not only your building

730
00:34:46,399 --> 00:34:48,818
official with white hair but both

731
00:34:48,818 --> 00:34:50,079
[laughter]

732
00:34:50,079 --> 00:34:53,919
because it will drive oh and possibly

733
00:34:53,919 --> 00:34:55,599
because it'll cause me to drink and it

734
00:34:55,599 --> 00:34:59,200
will lose what hair I have left and I'm

735
00:34:59,200 --> 00:35:04,470
looking right.

736
00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:07,280
your haircuts.

737
00:35:07,280 --> 00:35:08,640
>> And you have to buy the shampoo.

738
00:35:08,640 --> 00:35:11,744
>> I cut my own. So, I mean,

739
00:35:11,744 --> 00:35:13,119
[laughter]

740
00:35:13,119 --> 00:35:15,920
>> it's a really nice job styling.

741
00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:18,560
>> I will tell you with this code adoption,

742
00:35:18,560 --> 00:35:20,480
there will be some additional costs and

743
00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:22,560
it's because of the state mandating code

744
00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:24,000
that you're going to have to adopt

745
00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:26,720
anyway with state legislation. though it

746
00:35:26,720 --> 00:35:28,800
has nothing to do with what I want or

747
00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:31,280
what I'm recommending. The state passed

748
00:35:31,280 --> 00:35:32,880
legislation, just so you know, and

749
00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:35,040
there'll be a slide on it, on EV ready

750
00:35:35,040 --> 00:35:38,000
and solar ready codes. It was passed by

751
00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:40,000
the state and I see your attorney

752
00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:42,480
shaking her head, so I know she knows

753
00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:47,359
where I'm going with things. Go ahead.

754
00:35:47,359 --> 00:35:49,440
>> Energy heal trusses. This was a big

755
00:35:49,440 --> 00:35:51,359
issue that came up and here's a perfect

756
00:35:51,359 --> 00:35:53,280
example of what what's going on. And it

757
00:35:53,280 --> 00:35:55,119
was a big issue about how do I keep the

758
00:35:55,119 --> 00:36:00,560
insulation heavy enough or full depth

759
00:36:00,560 --> 00:36:03,280
at the edge of my roof

760
00:36:03,280 --> 00:36:07,440
because most roofs do this and you have

761
00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:10,560
this small area at the edge where the

762
00:36:10,560 --> 00:36:15,599
wall is and no ability to put in 18 20

763
00:36:15,599 --> 00:36:19,109
in of insulation.

764
00:36:19,119 --> 00:36:21,520
builders and the wonderful people that

765
00:36:21,520 --> 00:36:24,320
they are came up with solutions. This is

766
00:36:24,320 --> 00:36:26,640
that solution. If you look the heel of

767
00:36:26,640 --> 00:36:29,920
that truss is taller.

768
00:36:29,920 --> 00:36:31,760
They account for it in the overall

769
00:36:31,760 --> 00:36:33,599
height of the building. They make the

770
00:36:33,599 --> 00:36:36,240
attic space taller at the heel so that

771
00:36:36,240 --> 00:36:38,320
they can meet the R value requirements

772
00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:41,040
and still keep energy code compliant.

773
00:36:41,040 --> 00:36:42,960
Pretty neat thing that came out for a

774
00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:45,280
long time. We struggled with this

775
00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:46,800
because they wanted it all the way to

776
00:36:46,800 --> 00:36:49,760
the outside wall and the right it it was

777
00:36:49,760 --> 00:36:51,280
impossible

778
00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:53,359
again

779
00:36:53,359 --> 00:36:55,359
perfect example.

780
00:36:55,359 --> 00:36:58,240
They wanted that and they required it

781
00:36:58,240 --> 00:37:01,599
and they didn't give us a way to do it.

782
00:37:01,599 --> 00:37:06,000
Trust manufacturers were not doing this.

783
00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:10,945
So finally there was a solution.

784
00:37:10,955 --> 00:37:14,230
[laughter]

785
00:37:14,240 --> 00:37:19,190
» It's just a few small changes.

786
00:37:19,200 --> 00:37:21,359
Famous last words, right? I'm with the

787
00:37:21,359 --> 00:37:27,589
government and I'm here to help.

788
00:37:27,599 --> 00:37:30,560
There are always changes and this is a

789
00:37:30,560 --> 00:37:32,079
very

790
00:37:32,079 --> 00:37:35,359
broad large overview. There are more

791
00:37:35,359 --> 00:37:36,960
changes. There are lots [snorts] of

792
00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:40,960
changes. Um, asphalt shingles have to be

793
00:37:40,960 --> 00:37:43,760
fastened to wood structural panels or

794
00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:45,760
solid lumber sheet. You go to the next

795
00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:46,880
slide.

796
00:37:46,880 --> 00:37:48,720
>> Yeah, here's a perfect example. So,

797
00:37:48,720 --> 00:37:50,720
there was no there was a question as to

798
00:37:50,720 --> 00:37:53,680
what solid sheathing meant. And of

799
00:37:53,680 --> 00:37:55,200
course, a lot of the houses right here

800
00:37:55,200 --> 00:37:58,560
in town had that second picture where it

801
00:37:58,560 --> 00:38:01,200
says lumber sheathing. The house is

802
00:38:01,200 --> 00:38:02,880
older, but back in the day, they didn't

803
00:38:02,880 --> 00:38:05,760
have plywood. They use one. That's what

804
00:38:05,760 --> 00:38:07,359
they used on the outside walls and

805
00:38:07,359 --> 00:38:09,839
that's what they used on the roof. There

806
00:38:09,839 --> 00:38:12,160
was interpretations going around for

807
00:38:12,160 --> 00:38:14,960
years.

808
00:38:14,960 --> 00:38:16,640
If you had that kind of roof, you had to

809
00:38:16,640 --> 00:38:19,280
put plywood on top of it before you get

810
00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:21,760
reshing.

811
00:38:21,760 --> 00:38:23,920
That was not the intent of the code. I

812
00:38:23,920 --> 00:38:25,839
did not enforce it that way, but there

813
00:38:25,839 --> 00:38:28,320
were building officials who work. So the

814
00:38:28,320 --> 00:38:32,640
cost of rebirththing your house went up

815
00:38:32,640 --> 00:38:34,480
quite a bit especially to the price of

816
00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:36,640
plywood nowadays

817
00:38:36,640 --> 00:38:38,400
not

818
00:38:38,400 --> 00:38:40,560
the meaning behind the code if you look

819
00:38:40,560 --> 00:38:43,040
at the first picture was when you had

820
00:38:43,040 --> 00:38:45,440
space sheeting.

821
00:38:45,440 --> 00:38:48,800
So this was done a lot with tile roofs

822
00:38:48,800 --> 00:38:51,119
to save weight

823
00:38:51,119 --> 00:38:54,240
and because save cost back when we built

824
00:38:54,240 --> 00:38:56,560
slate roofs that kind of roof they would

825
00:38:56,560 --> 00:38:58,800
do space sheathing. So they would take

826
00:38:58,800 --> 00:39:00,880
one by steel but they would leave

827
00:39:00,880 --> 00:39:05,040
anywhere from 4 to 12 in gap between

828
00:39:05,040 --> 00:39:07,520
each board.

829
00:39:07,520 --> 00:39:10,800
You can't put an ashalt shingle roof on

830
00:39:10,800 --> 00:39:12,400
that kind. And if you look here, you'll

831
00:39:12,400 --> 00:39:14,240
see there's OSB on there because they're

832
00:39:14,240 --> 00:39:16,720
starting to add OSB cheat sheeting to

833
00:39:16,720 --> 00:39:19,520
that roof. It was a clarification that

834
00:39:19,520 --> 00:39:22,560
was put in there. And I am thrilled that

835
00:39:22,560 --> 00:39:25,200
it was because I have had more than my

836
00:39:25,200 --> 00:39:27,040
fair share of arguments with us building

837
00:39:27,040 --> 00:39:28,880
officials going, "That is not what the

838
00:39:28,880 --> 00:39:32,000
code means. You guys are wrong."

839
00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:35,057
And now I was proven right for a change.

840
00:39:35,057 --> 00:39:37,510
[clears throat]

841
00:39:37,520 --> 00:39:40,160
Mechanical changes.

842
00:39:40,160 --> 00:39:41,680
There have been a few mechanical

843
00:39:41,680 --> 00:39:44,480
changes. They're very small. Uh clothes

844
00:39:44,480 --> 00:39:46,560
dryers installed in closets have to have

845
00:39:46,560 --> 00:39:49,200
makeup air openings now. So, it used to

846
00:39:49,200 --> 00:39:52,560
be um that and if you go to the next

847
00:39:52,560 --> 00:39:54,640
picture, I'll give you an example. If

848
00:39:54,640 --> 00:39:57,520
this was a dryer, this is what a dryer

849
00:39:57,520 --> 00:40:02,000
in a closet quote unquote looks like. Um

850
00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:04,160
there was no

851
00:40:04,160 --> 00:40:07,599
outside no combustion requirement to

852
00:40:07,599 --> 00:40:09,680
happen in there. There was nothing that

853
00:40:09,680 --> 00:40:12,800
brought fresh air into that dryer

854
00:40:12,800 --> 00:40:15,520
that got put in the coat and it was put

855
00:40:15,520 --> 00:40:17,280
in there no matter whether it was gas or

856
00:40:17,280 --> 00:40:18,800
electric.

857
00:40:18,800 --> 00:40:21,440
Didn't matter if it was a gas or an

858
00:40:21,440 --> 00:40:25,599
electrical. Great addition to the code.

859
00:40:25,599 --> 00:40:29,829
Dryer fires are huge.

860
00:40:29,839 --> 00:40:32,043
» So what about the ones that are

861
00:40:32,043 --> 00:40:34,079
[clears throat] like that now that is

862
00:40:34,079 --> 00:40:38,079
this just for new ones? This is for me.

863
00:40:38,079 --> 00:40:40,560
Giving not retroactive

864
00:40:40,560 --> 00:40:43,280
to go into your house and go. When you

865
00:40:43,280 --> 00:40:46,480
put your outside air into your closet,

866
00:40:46,480 --> 00:40:48,400
>> the

867
00:40:48,400 --> 00:40:53,910
air

868
00:40:53,920 --> 00:40:56,079
» I will not say they're very dangerous.

869
00:40:56,079 --> 00:40:58,160
They're more dangerous. We've done it

870
00:40:58,160 --> 00:41:00,880
for years that way.

871
00:41:00,880 --> 00:41:02,960
That doesn't mean that it's right. we've

872
00:41:02,960 --> 00:41:06,240
learned through failures

873
00:41:06,240 --> 00:41:09,920
what we need to change and make better.

874
00:41:09,920 --> 00:41:12,640
I don't ever mean to scare anybody and

875
00:41:12,640 --> 00:41:14,400
say, "Oh, you need to do this or you're

876
00:41:14,400 --> 00:41:16,079
going to have a dryer fire tomorrow." By

877
00:41:16,079 --> 00:41:17,680
the way, doing this doesn't guarantee

878
00:41:17,680 --> 00:41:20,720
you're not going to have a dry fire. My

879
00:41:20,720 --> 00:41:22,640
recommendation is, and most people don't

880
00:41:22,640 --> 00:41:24,480
ever do this. When was the last time any

881
00:41:24,480 --> 00:41:30,390
of you cleaned your dryer? So,

882
00:41:30,400 --> 00:41:32,640
» I I do, too.

883
00:41:32,640 --> 00:41:34,720
You're some of the few.

884
00:41:34,720 --> 00:41:36,720
>> Yeah, I I go down my basement and take

885
00:41:36,720 --> 00:41:40,560
the piping out.

886
00:41:40,560 --> 00:41:44,000
>> That's the dryer fire issue. And if you

887
00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:46,960
don't have air going in, your dryer

888
00:41:46,960 --> 00:41:49,520
loses performance. So, it's not as

889
00:41:49,520 --> 00:41:52,560
likely to carry that mint out of the

890
00:41:52,560 --> 00:41:54,800
duck work and put it outside where it

891
00:41:54,800 --> 00:41:57,280
belongs. That's part of the reason why

892
00:41:57,280 --> 00:42:00,000
this was put in. You may have plenty

893
00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:02,400
enough ventilation that doing well in in

894
00:42:02,400 --> 00:42:04,240
the location it's at and the way it's

895
00:42:04,240 --> 00:42:07,359
set up. Now, it's required to be done

896
00:42:07,359 --> 00:42:10,000
this way so that we know it's done that

897
00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:10,720
no matter what.

898
00:42:10,720 --> 00:42:13,440
>> I think the dryer sheets were getting

899
00:42:13,440 --> 00:42:16,480
blown up onto the roofs of the town

900
00:42:16,480 --> 00:42:19,510
homes.

901
00:42:19,520 --> 00:42:23,190
Yeah.

902
00:42:23,200 --> 00:42:25,839
» Mine mine is in the closet of in my

903
00:42:25,839 --> 00:42:29,440
kitchen. I've got a vent fan in the

904
00:42:29,440 --> 00:42:33,680
ceiling and then I like I always go down

905
00:42:33,680 --> 00:42:36,480
and I clean it and

906
00:42:36,480 --> 00:42:39,119
then it just goes from the kitchen to

907
00:42:39,119 --> 00:42:40,800
the

908
00:42:40,800 --> 00:42:44,079
go up the wall outside. It goes down

909
00:42:44,079 --> 00:42:46,480
into the space

910
00:42:46,480 --> 00:42:48,319
and then down.

911
00:42:48,319 --> 00:42:51,040
>> See, mine's on the second story, but it

912
00:42:51,040 --> 00:42:53,119
goes straight up and out the road.

913
00:42:53,119 --> 00:42:55,359
>> But when I put it there, because I put

914
00:42:55,359 --> 00:43:02,470
it there, I the clean out.

915
00:43:02,480 --> 00:43:04,400
» I just take the clean out,

916
00:43:04,400 --> 00:43:06,560
>> dump all the lint,

917
00:43:06,560 --> 00:43:07,839
>> put it back,

918
00:43:07,839 --> 00:43:11,200
>> damn. I I my sister and I did this years

919
00:43:11,200 --> 00:43:14,880
ago where we took a toilet brush and

920
00:43:14,880 --> 00:43:18,720
wound a paper round.

921
00:43:18,720 --> 00:43:20,800
>> They actually make them where you can

922
00:43:20,800 --> 00:43:22,960
buy them. to clean it out with brushes

923
00:43:22,960 --> 00:43:24,800
and extension poles that you can put

924
00:43:24,800 --> 00:43:26,960
right on it and brush the duct work

925
00:43:26,960 --> 00:43:29,599
right out and you will be

926
00:43:29,599 --> 00:43:32,720
>> So when did this go into affecting the

927
00:43:32,720 --> 00:43:34,960
24?

928
00:43:34,960 --> 00:43:36,400
So, I have a question about

929
00:43:36,400 --> 00:43:38,960
refrigeration because I see a lot of new

930
00:43:38,960 --> 00:43:42,800
builds with an enclosed refrigerator

931
00:43:42,800 --> 00:43:45,280
or um you know and the enclosed

932
00:43:45,280 --> 00:43:46,720
dishwashers of course,

933
00:43:46,720 --> 00:43:48,560
>> but the enclosed refrigerator where they

934
00:43:48,560 --> 00:43:51,280
have it looking like part of the

935
00:43:51,280 --> 00:43:54,160
cabinetry in the kitchen.

936
00:43:54,160 --> 00:43:55,920
>> So,

937
00:43:55,920 --> 00:43:58,319
with the ventilation on the back side of

938
00:43:58,319 --> 00:44:00,240
the refrigerator,

939
00:44:00,240 --> 00:44:01,920
>> how how is that?

940
00:44:01,920 --> 00:44:07,270
>> So, the new compressors use

941
00:44:07,280 --> 00:44:10,400
a lot less

942
00:44:10,400 --> 00:44:13,440
air space around the tool

943
00:44:13,440 --> 00:44:14,960
still requires a certain amount of

944
00:44:14,960 --> 00:44:17,440
airspace. Every manufacturer is

945
00:44:17,440 --> 00:44:19,119
different.

946
00:44:19,119 --> 00:44:23,119
builders when they do that for us, if I

947
00:44:23,119 --> 00:44:25,520
see that, they have to provide me a

948
00:44:25,520 --> 00:44:27,440
manual that shows me what the airspace

949
00:44:27,440 --> 00:44:28,880
requirements are around that

950
00:44:28,880 --> 00:44:31,599
refrigerator and I verify that it can

951
00:44:31,599 --> 00:44:32,880
indeed be installed the way the

952
00:44:32,880 --> 00:44:34,319
builder's done.

953
00:44:34,319 --> 00:44:36,000
>> That's

954
00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:38,319
it. It varies from manufacturer to

955
00:44:38,319 --> 00:44:40,319
manufacturer as to what the requirements

956
00:44:40,319 --> 00:44:42,160
are, including how big is the

957
00:44:42,160 --> 00:44:44,079
refrigerant,

958
00:44:44,079 --> 00:44:46,480
where's the compressor mounted. Some of

959
00:44:46,480 --> 00:44:47,760
the newer ones, they're mounting the

960
00:44:47,760 --> 00:44:50,079
compressors on top, which they've done

961
00:44:50,079 --> 00:44:52,160
on commercial refrigeration units for

962
00:44:52,160 --> 00:44:53,280
years.

963
00:44:53,280 --> 00:44:54,720
>> They're now starting to do that for

964
00:44:54,720 --> 00:44:56,240
residential.

965
00:44:56,240 --> 00:44:59,760
That's part of the reason why

966
00:44:59,760 --> 00:45:03,599
>> to look at that next time.

967
00:45:03,599 --> 00:45:10,390
new refrigerants.

968
00:45:10,400 --> 00:45:12,720
We have been required

969
00:45:12,720 --> 00:45:15,359
because there

970
00:45:15,359 --> 00:45:17,520
the side effects of the refrigerants

971
00:45:17,520 --> 00:45:22,079
that you see in AC units or even

972
00:45:22,079 --> 00:45:24,640
refrigerators.

973
00:45:24,640 --> 00:45:27,119
They have changed the requirements for

974
00:45:27,119 --> 00:45:29,119
our refrigerants. This is something that

975
00:45:29,119 --> 00:45:32,000
went into effect just FYI nationwide,

976
00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:34,079
not just in this state, but across the

977
00:45:34,079 --> 00:45:35,839
country. And this went into effect

978
00:45:35,839 --> 00:45:40,000
January 1st. We now anything new other

979
00:45:40,000 --> 00:45:43,440
than that produced in our basically new

980
00:45:43,440 --> 00:45:47,200
old stock now have to use what they call

981
00:45:47,200 --> 00:45:50,560
an H2L refrigerant.

982
00:45:50,560 --> 00:45:57,270
It is basically believe it or not.

983
00:45:57,280 --> 00:46:03,990
Bulk of the refrigerant is propane

984
00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:07,680
because it doesn't hurt the environment

985
00:46:07,680 --> 00:46:10,800
like our current state.

986
00:46:10,800 --> 00:46:14,309
But

987
00:46:14,319 --> 00:46:18,870
what does propane do?

988
00:46:18,880 --> 00:46:20,720
Right.

989
00:46:20,720 --> 00:46:24,960
And they lower to the ground than other

990
00:46:24,960 --> 00:46:27,520
refrigerants which are lighter gas.

991
00:46:27,520 --> 00:46:30,480
>> And this

992
00:46:30,480 --> 00:46:33,119
they were used as as bombing

993
00:46:33,119 --> 00:46:35,280
bombs in World War II.

994
00:46:35,280 --> 00:46:37,440
>> And so and

995
00:46:37,440 --> 00:46:42,240
so that's why the sharpshooters came in place. They dropped those propane

996
00:46:42,240 --> 00:46:46,880
tanks and then go along and ship them.

997
00:46:46,880 --> 00:46:51,200
If you have a house that is propane heat

998
00:46:51,200 --> 00:46:54,319
>> and it does not have air conditioning,

999
00:46:54,319 --> 00:46:56,480
>> how do you

1000
00:46:56,480 --> 00:46:58,240
have a how do you put air conditioning

1001
00:46:58,240 --> 00:47:01,280
into that house if propane?

1002
00:47:01,280 --> 00:47:03,200
>> So, it's a completely separate system.

1003
00:47:03,200 --> 00:47:07,119
It can be added to any AC

1004
00:47:07,119 --> 00:47:09,920
cooling can be added to any heating

1005
00:47:09,920 --> 00:47:12,400
system no matter what it is, electric,

1006
00:47:12,400 --> 00:47:16,960
propane, natural gas. Um the only where

1007
00:47:16,960 --> 00:47:19,040
the only place you can't add it to it

1008
00:47:19,040 --> 00:47:21,040
where you have to actually add duct work

1009
00:47:21,040 --> 00:47:23,760
is like a steam system or a boiler

1010
00:47:23,760 --> 00:47:26,480
system because they don't have duct. You

1011
00:47:26,480 --> 00:47:30,720
need duct to carry the cold air.

1012
00:47:30,720 --> 00:47:32,319
>> Same thing. That's the only other

1013
00:47:32,319 --> 00:47:34,880
exception. Also, since it does not have

1014
00:47:34,880 --> 00:47:37,119
duct work, you would need to put in what

1015
00:47:37,119 --> 00:47:39,760
we call an air handler. basically a

1016
00:47:39,760 --> 00:47:44,400
blower motor and a coil and duct work to

1017
00:47:44,400 --> 00:47:46,079
carry that cold air throughout the

1018
00:47:46,079 --> 00:47:47,839
house.

1019
00:47:47,839 --> 00:47:50,720
Otherwise, I can add it on to any

1020
00:47:50,720 --> 00:47:52,640
existing system, including the one in

1021
00:47:52,640 --> 00:47:54,240
here.

1022
00:47:54,240 --> 00:47:56,880
AC can be added to just about anything.

1023
00:47:56,880 --> 00:48:01,760
The big thing that you have to watch is,

1024
00:48:01,760 --> 00:48:03,760
and my house is a perfect example, my

1025
00:48:03,760 --> 00:48:06,480
house was built 1980. Back in 1980, very

1026
00:48:06,480 --> 00:48:08,720
few houses here in Colorado were

1027
00:48:08,720 --> 00:48:12,240
designed to have AC. We just didn't put

1028
00:48:12,240 --> 00:48:13,440
it in.

1029
00:48:13,440 --> 00:48:15,599
>> It wasn't something that anybody thought

1030
00:48:15,599 --> 00:48:17,520
about out here. So, what you got was

1031
00:48:17,520 --> 00:48:19,839
swamp coolers, which I still have, by

1032
00:48:19,839 --> 00:48:22,800
the way, and I don't have central air.

1033
00:48:22,800 --> 00:48:26,079
The reason I've never put it in my house

1034
00:48:26,079 --> 00:48:29,280
is because to cool a house it takes

1035
00:48:29,280 --> 00:48:31,200
approximately and this is a very

1036
00:48:31,200 --> 00:48:32,880
generalization

1037
00:48:32,880 --> 00:48:34,800
twice the air flow to cool a house than

1038
00:48:34,800 --> 00:48:37,440
it does to heat a house.

1039
00:48:37,440 --> 00:48:39,599
The duck work in my house is not big

1040
00:48:39,599 --> 00:48:41,200
enough because if it's never designed

1041
00:48:41,200 --> 00:48:43,280
for AC.

1042
00:48:43,280 --> 00:48:46,319
So for me to try to cool my house is

1043
00:48:46,319 --> 00:48:48,319
extremely difficult, extremely

1044
00:48:48,319 --> 00:48:50,079
expensive, and they would not have a

1045
00:48:50,079 --> 00:48:52,240
very cool house because my duck would

1046
00:48:52,240 --> 00:48:54,880
just carry it. My neighbors all built

1047
00:48:54,880 --> 00:48:57,200
the same time frame all complain about

1048
00:48:57,200 --> 00:48:59,520
their $450

1049
00:48:59,520 --> 00:49:02,079
electric bills in the summertime,

1050
00:49:02,079 --> 00:49:05,040
especially this summer. and they walk in

1051
00:49:05,040 --> 00:49:07,119
my house and go, "You suck. Your house

1052
00:49:07,119 --> 00:49:09,440
is cooler than mine and you don't have

1053
00:49:09,440 --> 00:49:13,280
AC because I still use a swamp pool."

1054
00:49:13,280 --> 00:49:16,720
>> Is the swamp cooler going in like from a

1055
00:49:16,720 --> 00:49:18,240
window? Like

1056
00:49:18,240 --> 00:49:20,640
>> it is actually mounted on the roof into

1057
00:49:20,640 --> 00:49:22,800
the ceiling upstairs in the hallway and

1058
00:49:22,800 --> 00:49:25,200
then I use fans to distribute it

1059
00:49:25,200 --> 00:49:26,160
throughout the house.

1060
00:49:26,160 --> 00:49:27,839
>> Just like fans that sit on the floor

1061
00:49:27,839 --> 00:49:28,880
like

1062
00:49:28,880 --> 00:49:31,599
>> box fans and some bigger ones

1063
00:49:31,599 --> 00:49:33,920
>> and I love it. The 100 degree days do

1064
00:49:33,920 --> 00:49:35,839
we've had, I've kept my house, as long

1065
00:49:35,839 --> 00:49:38,240
as I get ahead of it, get the swamp

1066
00:49:38,240 --> 00:49:40,480
cooler, turn it on early. My house is

1067
00:49:40,480 --> 00:49:41,839
about 71 degrees.

1068
00:49:41,839 --> 00:49:43,760
>> Do you have to have water?

1069
00:49:43,760 --> 00:49:46,000
>> I have water up up into the swamp pool.

1070
00:49:46,000 --> 00:49:46,400
Yes.

1071
00:49:46,400 --> 00:49:47,599
>> How did you do that?

1072
00:49:47,599 --> 00:49:50,319
>> It runs up through my attic. So, it runs

1073
00:49:50,319 --> 00:49:51,520
up inside the wall.

1074
00:49:51,520 --> 00:49:53,440
>> Oh, just through the plumbing.

1075
00:49:53,440 --> 00:49:55,520
>> It runs I have my own line that runs up

1076
00:49:55,520 --> 00:49:57,440
just to that small pool through the

1077
00:49:57,440 --> 00:49:59,680
wall. So, it's hidden and then goes up

1078
00:49:59,680 --> 00:50:01,599
into my attic and then goes from my

1079
00:50:01,599 --> 00:50:03,119
attic up onto the roof and into the

1080
00:50:03,119 --> 00:50:03,680
swamp.

1081
00:50:03,680 --> 00:50:05,440
>> We had one like that, too. It was almost

1082
00:50:05,440 --> 00:50:07,680
like the uh the piping that runs into

1083
00:50:07,680 --> 00:50:09,760
your fridge to make your ice.

1084
00:50:09,760 --> 00:50:10,880
>> Very similar.

1085
00:50:10,880 --> 00:50:11,359
>> Small line.

1086
00:50:11,359 --> 00:50:12,480
>> Yeah, it was very small line. And then

1087
00:50:12,480 --> 00:50:15,599
it just does a continuous.

1088
00:50:15,599 --> 00:50:18,800
>> But anyway, this refrigerant is now and

1089
00:50:18,800 --> 00:50:22,160
there's there's low flammabilities on

1090
00:50:22,160 --> 00:50:24,640
these. They make different lower levels

1091
00:50:24,640 --> 00:50:27,280
of these and they actually have one like

1092
00:50:27,280 --> 00:50:29,520
an A1 refrigerant that doesn't have any

1093
00:50:29,520 --> 00:50:31,680
flame probability. It doesn't have the

1094
00:50:31,680 --> 00:50:33,839
ability. It doesn't have it has such a

1095
00:50:33,839 --> 00:50:36,160
small amount of propane in it that it's

1096
00:50:36,160 --> 00:50:38,880
not flammable. So you giving up one

1097
00:50:38,880 --> 00:50:44,710
thing for another to some level.

1098
00:50:44,720 --> 00:50:47,280
We up

1099
00:50:47,280 --> 00:50:49,839
a little bit of the fire hazard. Keep in

1100
00:50:49,839 --> 00:50:53,119
mind the quantity that is put into the

1101
00:50:53,119 --> 00:50:56,559
average house system is so small that it

1102
00:50:56,559 --> 00:50:59,040
doesn't affect it whatsoever. The big

1103
00:50:59,040 --> 00:51:01,119
place where this starts to play in is

1104
00:51:01,119 --> 00:51:03,280
commercial systems where you you have a

1105
00:51:03,280 --> 00:51:06,559
very large amount of refrigerant

1106
00:51:06,559 --> 00:51:08,880
like schools.

1107
00:51:08,880 --> 00:51:11,920
>> So is the same odorant put in

1108
00:51:11,920 --> 00:51:14,240
this kind of propane?

1109
00:51:14,240 --> 00:51:15,119
>> Yes.

1110
00:51:15,119 --> 00:51:16,800
>> And there are some very specific

1111
00:51:16,800 --> 00:51:18,559
requirements. So if you have over a

1112
00:51:18,559 --> 00:51:20,480
certain amount, you actually have to

1113
00:51:20,480 --> 00:51:22,559
build what's called a chase. So the

1114
00:51:22,559 --> 00:51:24,480
refrigerant lines have to actually be

1115
00:51:24,480 --> 00:51:26,720
inside an enclosed chase that goes

1116
00:51:26,720 --> 00:51:29,280
directly to the outside so that if there

1117
00:51:29,280 --> 00:51:32,559
was a leak, it would not leak inside the

1118
00:51:32,559 --> 00:51:34,720
unit, whether that's commercial or

1119
00:51:34,720 --> 00:51:36,960
residential, it would be vented directly

1120
00:51:36,960 --> 00:51:39,280
to the outside to prevent any of these

1121
00:51:39,280 --> 00:51:41,280
issues.

1122
00:51:41,280 --> 00:51:43,040
>> Is the new school going to have air

1123
00:51:43,040 --> 00:51:45,359
conditioning?

1124
00:51:45,359 --> 00:51:46,640
I'll let you know when I see the

1125
00:51:46,640 --> 00:51:48,880
drawings, but I can't imagine any school

1126
00:51:48,880 --> 00:51:50,800
in this day and age because of the cost

1127
00:51:50,800 --> 00:51:54,559
of retrofitting that won't. I I I will

1128
00:51:54,559 --> 00:51:57,520
to answer your question, yes. I cannot

1129
00:51:57,520 --> 00:51:59,280
imagine that they're going to build a

1130
00:51:59,280 --> 00:52:02,960
school without AC nowadays. They just it

1131
00:52:02,960 --> 00:52:05,839
costs so much money to retrofit schools

1132
00:52:05,839 --> 00:52:08,640
that they're costing now that there's no

1133
00:52:08,640 --> 00:52:10,720
way I can imagine that they're designed.

1134
00:52:10,720 --> 00:52:12,400
Here's the thing. There's nothing in

1135
00:52:12,400 --> 00:52:15,599
building that requires AC.

1136
00:52:15,599 --> 00:52:20,720
Requires heat. Doesn't require AC.

1137
00:52:20,720 --> 00:52:22,240
Can you imagine a commercial building

1138
00:52:22,240 --> 00:52:25,520
nowadays without AC?

1139
00:52:25,520 --> 00:52:28,480
I can't either. I suppose it's possible,

1140
00:52:28,480 --> 00:52:33,851
but highly unlikely.

1141
00:52:33,861 --> 00:52:34,480
[clears throat]

1142
00:52:34,480 --> 00:52:36,240
Food gas.

1143
00:52:36,240 --> 00:52:38,400
There's some small changes in fuel gas.

1144
00:52:38,400 --> 00:52:40,880
It has its own by the way. Combustion

1145
00:52:40,880 --> 00:52:43,599
airs can't be taken from indoor or

1146
00:52:43,599 --> 00:52:45,280
outdoor where they're flammable

1147
00:52:45,280 --> 00:52:48,390
products.

1148
00:52:48,400 --> 00:52:50,400
Gas pip and tubing fittings have to be

1149
00:52:50,400 --> 00:52:52,319
cleared from defects. It used to be,

1150
00:52:52,319 --> 00:52:54,720
believe it or not, I have had builders

1151
00:52:54,720 --> 00:52:57,440
argue with me when have been doing a a

1152
00:52:57,440 --> 00:53:00,079
gas piping inspection and I see a

1153
00:53:00,079 --> 00:53:02,400
damaged fitting and they say it's not

1154
00:53:02,400 --> 00:53:04,480
leaking.

1155
00:53:04,480 --> 00:53:08,480
I don't have to replace it.

1156
00:53:08,480 --> 00:53:10,559
Now they do.

1157
00:53:10,559 --> 00:53:13,839
got put in.

1158
00:53:13,839 --> 00:53:17,680
Here's a big y'all. Remember the house

1159
00:53:17,680 --> 00:53:19,280
about

1160
00:53:19,280 --> 00:53:23,040
years ago up north that blew up because

1161
00:53:23,040 --> 00:53:28,470
of a abandoned gas line?

1162
00:53:28,480 --> 00:53:31,440
» Anybody remember that?

1163
00:53:31,440 --> 00:53:33,280
It was huge.

1164
00:53:33,280 --> 00:53:35,119
It damaged that house and two other

1165
00:53:35,119 --> 00:53:39,520
houses next door. Now

1166
00:53:39,520 --> 00:53:42,319
all abandoned fuel gas piping has to be

1167
00:53:42,319 --> 00:53:44,640
purged. You have to purge all the gas

1168
00:53:44,640 --> 00:53:46,319
out.

1169
00:53:46,319 --> 00:53:47,760
It can't. It used to be you just

1170
00:53:47,760 --> 00:53:49,440
abandoned it. You capped it off. You

1171
00:53:49,440 --> 00:53:52,160
forgot about it.

1172
00:53:52,160 --> 00:53:55,839
>> It was not required.

1173
00:53:55,839 --> 00:53:58,319
>> There are a lot of buildings

1174
00:53:58,319 --> 00:54:03,670
that I like like the damage fittings.

1175
00:54:03,680 --> 00:54:05,680
You're required to do I'm required to do

1176
00:54:05,680 --> 00:54:08,400
a pressure test to verify that that gas

1177
00:54:08,400 --> 00:54:11,680
piping system holds pressure.

1178
00:54:11,680 --> 00:54:14,559
Nowhere in the code did it say if I saw

1179
00:54:14,559 --> 00:54:17,440
one damaged, if it was still holding

1180
00:54:17,440 --> 00:54:20,720
pressure, I could not make the builder

1181
00:54:20,720 --> 00:54:24,559
replace it because the code said hold

1182
00:54:24,559 --> 00:54:27,040
pressure.

1183
00:54:27,040 --> 00:54:29,119
Now,

1184
00:54:29,119 --> 00:54:30,800
so the reason these things are being put

1185
00:54:30,800 --> 00:54:33,440
in code is for these reasons. Because

1186
00:54:33,440 --> 00:54:35,599
you'd be amazed at what a builder does

1187
00:54:35,599 --> 00:54:38,480
or does not want to do. Everything I

1188
00:54:38,480 --> 00:54:40,800
make him do, whether I like whether he

1189
00:54:40,800 --> 00:54:44,559
likes it or not, could and only does

1190
00:54:44,559 --> 00:54:48,390
cost him money.

1191
00:54:48,400 --> 00:54:50,400
When he has to replace a fitting, pull

1192
00:54:50,400 --> 00:54:52,880
the whole system down, pull that fitting

1193
00:54:52,880 --> 00:54:54,880
out, buy another fitting, put another

1194
00:54:54,880 --> 00:54:57,440
fitting in, put it all up on test, call

1195
00:54:57,440 --> 00:54:59,200
me back out again the next day to

1196
00:54:59,200 --> 00:55:02,720
inspect it again on test. That cost him

1197
00:55:02,720 --> 00:55:08,390
time and money.

1198
00:55:08,400 --> 00:55:10,559
Plumbing changes.

1199
00:55:10,559 --> 00:55:12,800
One of the big things that we brought up

1200
00:55:12,800 --> 00:55:14,960
in plumbing was water heaters. They're

1201
00:55:14,960 --> 00:55:17,119
required to have a pan underneath them.

1202
00:55:17,119 --> 00:55:18,960
The code requires that you put a pan

1203
00:55:18,960 --> 00:55:21,599
underneath, but there was nothing in the

1204
00:55:21,599 --> 00:55:23,680
code that said

1205
00:55:23,680 --> 00:55:27,520
that the bottom area that had insulation

1206
00:55:27,520 --> 00:55:30,319
in every water heater had to be above

1207
00:55:30,319 --> 00:55:33,680
the lip of the pan. So, if you did have

1208
00:55:33,680 --> 00:55:36,559
some form of water leak,

1209
00:55:36,559 --> 00:55:38,480
guess what happens to the whole bottom

1210
00:55:38,480 --> 00:55:40,880
of your water?

1211
00:55:40,880 --> 00:55:43,520
It gets completely filled with water and

1212
00:55:43,520 --> 00:55:46,800
soaked and and we all know insulation

1213
00:55:46,800 --> 00:55:50,160
gets ruined if it gets wet and so on. So

1214
00:55:50,160 --> 00:55:52,960
they now have put in the code that you

1215
00:55:52,960 --> 00:55:54,559
have to have the bottom of that water

1216
00:55:54,559 --> 00:55:56,799
heater has to be constructed in a manner

1217
00:55:56,799 --> 00:55:59,119
that keeps it up above the flood level

1218
00:55:59,119 --> 00:56:03,430
or the top of the paint.

1219
00:56:03,440 --> 00:56:06,079
Silly little things but make a huge

1220
00:56:06,079 --> 00:56:07,839
difference for everybody. You as a

1221
00:56:07,839 --> 00:56:11,200
homeowner especially. Um they changed

1222
00:56:11,200 --> 00:56:13,520
and said that you could only So we all

1223
00:56:13,520 --> 00:56:16,000
know lead's bad, right? Lead poison is a

1224
00:56:16,000 --> 00:56:17,680
bad thing.

1225
00:56:17,680 --> 00:56:27,990
Lead's been in tanks for water heaters

1226
00:56:28,000 --> 00:56:30,000
that limits how much lead can be in

1227
00:56:30,000 --> 00:56:33,670
that.

1228
00:56:33,680 --> 00:56:35,839
So even though we were taking lead out

1229
00:56:35,839 --> 00:56:38,559
of solder that held the pipe together,

1230
00:56:38,559 --> 00:56:40,640
we were not allowed to use lead pipe

1231
00:56:40,640 --> 00:56:42,160
anymore.

1232
00:56:42,160 --> 00:56:43,599
There's standards for the water

1233
00:56:43,599 --> 00:56:45,520
department has to keep their lead levels

1234
00:56:45,520 --> 00:56:47,359
at certain levels so on and so on and so

1235
00:56:47,359 --> 00:56:50,880
on. There was very very few if any

1236
00:56:50,880 --> 00:56:53,200
regulation on how much lead was in the

1237
00:56:53,200 --> 00:56:54,960
steel tank that your hot water was put

1238
00:56:54,960 --> 00:56:58,789
in.

1239
00:56:58,799 --> 00:57:00,319
» I have to ask what the smoke and

1240
00:57:00,319 --> 00:57:05,430
peppermint test was.

1241
00:57:05,440 --> 00:57:08,720
» Okay. So there used to be a for your

1242
00:57:08,720 --> 00:57:11,760
drain drain waste and B, there used to

1243
00:57:11,760 --> 00:57:15,040
be a test in the code that requires you

1244
00:57:15,040 --> 00:57:18,880
to either smoke or peppermint test for

1245
00:57:18,880 --> 00:57:25,270
leaks.

1246
00:57:25,280 --> 00:57:27,119
» They would actually put a smoke bomb in

1247
00:57:27,119 --> 00:57:29,440
the pipe

1248
00:57:29,440 --> 00:57:31,520
>> and then look for smoke to come out of

1249
00:57:31,520 --> 00:57:34,240
the pipe at any joints, anything like

1250
00:57:34,240 --> 00:57:37,520
that. The other way around that

1251
00:57:37,520 --> 00:57:39,359
was pepper.

1252
00:57:39,359 --> 00:57:42,480
One of the easiest things for people to

1253
00:57:42,480 --> 00:57:44,000
smell

1254
00:57:44,000 --> 00:57:47,040
a proven fact is that your nose is very

1255
00:57:47,040 --> 00:57:49,920
sensitive to the smell of peppermint.

1256
00:57:49,920 --> 00:57:53,119
So you would use a peppermint oil

1257
00:57:53,119 --> 00:57:55,280
and basically you all seen a fog

1258
00:57:55,280 --> 00:57:57,760
machine. Mhm.

1259
00:57:57,760 --> 00:58:00,480
>> So you would put peppermint oil in that

1260
00:58:00,480 --> 00:58:03,200
>> and put that in.

1261
00:58:03,200 --> 00:58:07,910
>> Maybe you walk around the house

1262
00:58:07,920 --> 00:58:11,845
» the things you have to do as a

1263
00:58:11,845 --> 00:58:15,589
[laughter]

1264
00:58:15,599 --> 00:58:21,990
» those requirements have been removed.

1265
00:58:22,000 --> 00:58:25,200
Bio energy and solar ready code. This

1266
00:58:25,200 --> 00:58:27,119
was, believe it or not, introduced in

1267
00:58:27,119 --> 00:58:30,400
July of 2023. I find it hard to believe

1268
00:58:30,400 --> 00:58:32,960
that it's been that long.

1269
00:58:32,960 --> 00:58:36,559
This goes into effect when you adopt any

1270
00:58:36,559 --> 00:58:39,440
new codes.

1271
00:58:39,440 --> 00:58:41,760
You have to adopt this. That's the way

1272
00:58:41,760 --> 00:58:45,119
the the state legislation is written.

1273
00:58:45,119 --> 00:58:47,280
I'm not telling you that. The state is

1274
00:58:47,280 --> 00:58:49,359
telling you that and your attorney can

1275
00:58:49,359 --> 00:58:53,040
back this up. Here's the thing that sort

1276
00:58:53,040 --> 00:58:57,119
of pushes this to the limelight. Anyway,

1277
00:58:57,119 --> 00:58:59,359
we all know,

1278
00:58:59,359 --> 00:59:02,079
don't know, I'll let you the electrical

1279
00:59:02,079 --> 00:59:04,240
code in the state of Colorado is

1280
00:59:04,240 --> 00:59:07,520
controlled by the state of Colorado.

1281
00:59:07,520 --> 00:59:10,720
That is a minimum code that we have to

1282
00:59:10,720 --> 00:59:12,640
follow.

1283
00:59:12,640 --> 00:59:14,319
We don't get it. You don't get a choice.

1284
00:59:14,319 --> 00:59:16,480
I don't get a choice. The state adopts

1285
00:59:16,480 --> 00:59:18,559
it. They give you one year to enforce it

1286
00:59:18,559 --> 00:59:20,960
in your jurisdiction from the their date

1287
00:59:20,960 --> 00:59:23,200
of adoption.

1288
00:59:23,200 --> 00:59:24,960
Period.

1289
00:59:24,960 --> 00:59:28,480
State law. Don't have a choice.

1290
00:59:28,480 --> 00:59:31,920
I don't have a choice. You all,

1291
00:59:31,920 --> 00:59:34,640
we write new ordinances to say that

1292
00:59:34,640 --> 00:59:37,359
we're going to

1293
00:59:37,359 --> 00:59:40,079
fulfill whatever this the state adopted

1294
00:59:40,079 --> 00:59:42,240
building code is

1295
00:59:42,240 --> 00:59:43,760
so that we don't have to come to you

1296
00:59:43,760 --> 00:59:45,599
every three years and go, "Okay, now we

1297
00:59:45,599 --> 00:59:47,440
need to adopt a new energy or a new

1298
00:59:47,440 --> 00:59:49,680
electrical code because the state has."

1299
00:59:49,680 --> 00:59:51,920
So to prevent that, we just state that

1300
00:59:51,920 --> 00:59:54,240
we're going to enforce the state adopted

1301
00:59:54,240 --> 00:59:56,880
electrical code.

1302
00:59:56,880 --> 01:00:00,870
That's why

1303
01:00:00,880 --> 01:00:03,599
The state

1304
01:00:03,599 --> 01:00:07,280
just adopted a new electrical.

1305
01:00:07,280 --> 01:00:09,119
>> You guys don't have a choice, but you're

1306
01:00:09,119 --> 01:00:13,589
going to have to adopt a new electrical.

1307
01:00:13,599 --> 01:00:21,270
What does this slide say?

1308
01:00:21,280 --> 01:00:22,880
There we go.

1309
01:00:22,880 --> 01:00:25,280
Your local jurisdiction should have this

1310
01:00:25,280 --> 01:00:29,599
listed. This code introduced it to

1311
01:00:29,599 --> 01:00:32,160
become a requirement to adopt along with

1312
01:00:32,160 --> 01:00:35,520
adoption of the codes.

1313
01:00:35,520 --> 01:00:38,559
The state basically has forced you

1314
01:00:38,559 --> 01:00:41,520
whether you like it or not to adopt the

1315
01:00:41,520 --> 01:00:44,559
model energy and solar people. You have

1316
01:00:44,559 --> 01:00:46,160
to

1317
01:00:46,160 --> 01:00:48,720
you don't have to like it. And you can

1318
01:00:48,720 --> 01:00:50,880
absolutely when your constituents ask

1319
01:00:50,880 --> 01:00:52,880
you why in the world we adopted this

1320
01:00:52,880 --> 01:00:56,240
code, you do have the ability to say

1321
01:00:56,240 --> 01:00:58,960
because the state required us to, not

1322
01:00:58,960 --> 01:01:00,960
because we wanted to, not because our

1323
01:01:00,960 --> 01:01:03,200
building official recommended we do it

1324
01:01:03,200 --> 01:01:05,359
because the state required it. And your

1325
01:01:05,359 --> 01:01:07,680
attorney can speak

1326
01:01:07,680 --> 01:01:09,520
in the future if you guys want to know

1327
01:01:09,520 --> 01:01:13,359
how that works. Um, but we are going to

1328
01:01:13,359 --> 01:01:16,319
have to adopt that code

1329
01:01:16,319 --> 01:01:18,960
or I don't know I don't know what does

1330
01:01:18,960 --> 01:01:21,920
anybody know what happens if we don't.

1331
01:01:21,920 --> 01:01:24,400
>> The law doesn't have specific like

1332
01:01:24,400 --> 01:01:28,799
sanctions. Um, it's more that

1333
01:01:28,799 --> 01:01:32,400
um code violations could be challenged

1334
01:01:32,400 --> 01:01:35,440
if the if the town hasn't properly

1335
01:01:35,440 --> 01:01:38,240
adopted codes that it's supposed to. Um

1336
01:01:38,240 --> 01:01:41,040
or people could there's like the kind of

1337
01:01:41,040 --> 01:01:44,960
off risk that um somebody could sue the

1338
01:01:44,960 --> 01:01:47,359
town and try to basically force the town

1339
01:01:47,359 --> 01:01:50,000
to comply with state law.

1340
01:01:50,000 --> 01:01:51,760
>> But yeah, but under state law there

1341
01:01:51,760 --> 01:01:54,640
isn't like a you know an enforcement

1342
01:01:54,640 --> 01:01:56,640
mechanism in terms of like oh this town

1343
01:01:56,640 --> 01:01:58,960
hasn't adopted it therefore they owe the

1344
01:01:58,960 --> 01:02:00,720
state this much money or something.

1345
01:02:00,720 --> 01:02:02,960
>> I heard

1346
01:02:02,960 --> 01:02:06,880
guys that the state

1347
01:02:06,880 --> 01:02:08,799
entertained

1348
01:02:08,799 --> 01:02:11,599
withholding state funding

1349
01:02:11,599 --> 01:02:13,520
the jurisdictions who are not enforcing

1350
01:02:13,520 --> 01:02:15,599
it.

1351
01:02:15,599 --> 01:02:16,880
It's clearly rumor.

1352
01:02:16,880 --> 01:02:17,200
>> Yeah,

1353
01:02:17,200 --> 01:02:19,200
>> there's nothing backing that up. There's

1354
01:02:19,200 --> 01:02:22,160
>> there's something

1355
01:02:22,160 --> 01:02:23,680
doesn't give us anything.

1356
01:02:23,680 --> 01:02:24,160
>> Sure.

1357
01:02:24,160 --> 01:02:26,880
>> Yeah.

1358
01:02:26,880 --> 01:02:28,240
I'm assuming if a [clears throat] lot of

1359
01:02:28,240 --> 01:02:30,640
people want a bucket,

1360
01:02:30,640 --> 01:02:33,280
you know, the state

1361
01:02:33,280 --> 01:02:36,160
they'll mandate whatever the penalties

1362
01:02:36,160 --> 01:02:38,079
for

1363
01:02:38,079 --> 01:02:39,839
that's

1364
01:02:39,839 --> 01:02:43,200
would be my guess. That's an opinion

1365
01:02:43,200 --> 01:02:49,750
based on

1366
01:02:49,760 --> 01:02:53,680
go back then and ask a question about

1367
01:02:53,680 --> 01:02:55,440
plans

1368
01:02:55,440 --> 01:02:57,119
or

1369
01:02:57,119 --> 01:03:00,640
house fans or

1370
01:03:00,640 --> 01:03:01,760
>> that are on the roof

1371
01:03:01,760 --> 01:03:02,400
>> that turn.

1372
01:03:02,400 --> 01:03:02,640
>> Yes.

1373
01:03:02,640 --> 01:03:03,359
>> Mhm.

1374
01:03:03,359 --> 01:03:04,640
>> Are they efficient?

1375
01:03:04,640 --> 01:03:07,920
>> They are. They are because they don't

1376
01:03:07,920 --> 01:03:10,640
most of them don't require electricity.

1377
01:03:10,640 --> 01:03:13,520
They work by heat. So the heat rising up

1378
01:03:13,520 --> 01:03:15,920
to it, heat rises. As the heat goes up

1379
01:03:15,920 --> 01:03:18,559
through it, it turns which moves more

1380
01:03:18,559 --> 01:03:22,720
air. So they they are way more efficient

1381
01:03:22,720 --> 01:03:25,839
than just a standard

1382
01:03:25,839 --> 01:03:28,559
and do that.

1383
01:03:28,559 --> 01:03:33,359
Probably not as efficient as a ridge.

1384
01:03:33,359 --> 01:03:34,720
>> I don't know what that is. But how do

1385
01:03:34,720 --> 01:03:37,680
you in how like if you just have a roof

1386
01:03:37,680 --> 01:03:39,839
um an asphalt roof, do they just cut a

1387
01:03:39,839 --> 01:03:41,920
hole in the

1388
01:03:41,920 --> 01:03:45,039
>> Yep. Ridge vent is a vent that's all the

1389
01:03:45,039 --> 01:03:47,680
way across the entire peak of your the

1390
01:03:47,680 --> 01:03:50,710
ridge.

1391
01:03:50,720 --> 01:03:53,839
» Most builders now ridge bending because

1392
01:03:53,839 --> 01:03:56,319
it's so efficient. So keep keep in mind

1393
01:03:56,319 --> 01:03:58,720
heat rises so it goes to the highest

1394
01:03:58,720 --> 01:04:02,000
point and gets forced out.

1395
01:04:02,000 --> 01:04:03,440
The highest point of your roof is the

1396
01:04:03,440 --> 01:04:06,160
ridge. If you can create make that

1397
01:04:06,160 --> 01:04:08,400
entire ridge a bank.

1398
01:04:08,400 --> 01:04:13,119
>> So which one is less expensive than

1399
01:04:13,119 --> 01:04:14,880
>> it is?

1400
01:04:14,880 --> 01:04:19,039
I just got a um shed in

1401
01:04:19,039 --> 01:04:20,799
>> has been long.

1402
01:04:20,799 --> 01:04:24,319
>> Yeah, sheds are wide open

1403
01:04:24,319 --> 01:04:26,079
>> inside and out. So, the heat builds up

1404
01:04:26,079 --> 01:04:28,000
in there and it's almost overwhelming if

1405
01:04:28,000 --> 01:04:31,599
you go into a shed in the summertime.

1406
01:04:31,599 --> 01:04:34,720
>> What is it? Is it's just a um it's just

1407
01:04:34,720 --> 01:04:36,000
a plastic vent.

1408
01:04:36,000 --> 01:04:38,640
>> It's a plastic vent that's shaped to the

1409
01:04:38,640 --> 01:04:41,119
roof, whatever your pitches and they

1410
01:04:41,119 --> 01:04:43,839
shingle over top of it. So, it's

1411
01:04:43,839 --> 01:04:45,520
designed to have shingles put right over

1412
01:04:45,520 --> 01:04:47,039
top of it. So, it looks just like the

1413
01:04:47,039 --> 01:04:50,079
ridge on your roof currently, except it

1414
01:04:50,079 --> 01:04:52,640
sits up about that much higher. So, you

1415
01:04:52,640 --> 01:04:54,799
barely even notice that it's there.

1416
01:04:54,799 --> 01:04:57,599
>> And on a metal roof, you can do

1417
01:04:57,599 --> 01:04:59,119
>> they actually make ridge bending for

1418
01:04:59,119 --> 01:05:06,150
metal. Also,

1419
01:05:06,160 --> 01:05:10,160
» heard that. So, good to know. Here

1420
01:05:10,160 --> 01:05:11,760
are some of the three main requirements

1421
01:05:11,760 --> 01:05:13,280
that are going to go in with this model

1422
01:05:13,280 --> 01:05:17,039
energy solar code. New buildings, all

1423
01:05:17,039 --> 01:05:19,760
new buildings, keep that in mind, must

1424
01:05:19,760 --> 01:05:21,680
have provisions for an all electric

1425
01:05:21,680 --> 01:05:24,960
operation of all the heating hot water

1426
01:05:24,960 --> 01:05:27,280
cooking enclosure.

1427
01:05:27,280 --> 01:05:29,119
Doesn't mean you have to use an electric

1428
01:05:29,119 --> 01:05:31,440
appliance.

1429
01:05:31,440 --> 01:05:34,079
It means that there has to be provisions

1430
01:05:34,079 --> 01:05:35,680
there.

1431
01:05:35,680 --> 01:05:38,319
If somebody wants to put in, let's say

1432
01:05:38,319 --> 01:05:41,680
you have a natural gas furnace and

1433
01:05:41,680 --> 01:05:43,280
somebody feels that they want an

1434
01:05:43,280 --> 01:05:45,280
electric furnace,

1435
01:05:45,280 --> 01:05:48,000
the circuit to run that electric furnace

1436
01:05:48,000 --> 01:05:51,440
has to be there.

1437
01:05:51,440 --> 01:05:53,200
Doesn't require you to use an electric

1438
01:05:53,200 --> 01:05:55,680
furnace. Just means that the provisions

1439
01:05:55,680 --> 01:05:59,599
for it to be electric has to be there.

1440
01:05:59,599 --> 01:06:02,720
Would it be vice versa?

1441
01:06:02,720 --> 01:06:04,400
Would you have to have gas?

1442
01:06:04,400 --> 01:06:06,559
>> There's no requirement

1443
01:06:06,559 --> 01:06:09,680
currently for gas. The whole idea is to

1444
01:06:09,680 --> 01:06:12,079
try to push obviously this is the model

1445
01:06:12,079 --> 01:06:14,160
electric ready code is to push

1446
01:06:14,160 --> 01:06:16,160
electrical. They're trying to go back to

1447
01:06:16,160 --> 01:06:19,920
an all electric house.

1448
01:06:19,920 --> 01:06:21,039
>> 1970.

1449
01:06:21,039 --> 01:06:24,710
>> Yep.

1450
01:06:24,720 --> 01:06:28,400
uh use less

1451
01:06:28,400 --> 01:06:32,079
>> use less uh

1452
01:06:32,079 --> 01:06:35,119
>> dinosaur fuel in your home.

1453
01:06:35,119 --> 01:06:38,000
>> You're still going to have to burn.

1454
01:06:38,000 --> 01:06:42,000
>> It's just that's I mean seriously

1455
01:06:42,000 --> 01:06:44,160
>> coming coming from a town where that was

1456
01:06:44,160 --> 01:06:48,000
a thing. It's

1457
01:06:48,000 --> 01:06:50,160
>> I don't quite understand it. Although

1458
01:06:50,160 --> 01:06:51,920
they will claim that it is more

1459
01:06:51,920 --> 01:06:54,559
efficient, I can tell you that in this

1460
01:06:54,559 --> 01:06:57,359
state,

1461
01:06:57,359 --> 01:07:00,559
it doesn't personally

1462
01:07:00,559 --> 01:07:03,760
make sense. So all the electric in this

1463
01:07:03,760 --> 01:07:08,720
state is is produced two ways.

1464
01:07:08,720 --> 01:07:11,359
Natural gas

1465
01:07:11,359 --> 01:07:13,119
or coal.

1466
01:07:13,119 --> 01:07:15,839
And my knowledge right now, and somebody

1467
01:07:15,839 --> 01:07:17,599
can correct me, I think there's only one

1468
01:07:17,599 --> 01:07:20,640
coal plant left. old fire plant. It's

1469
01:07:20,640 --> 01:07:24,240
down in that's the only plant left that

1470
01:07:24,240 --> 01:07:26,880
has not converted over to natural gas.

1471
01:07:26,880 --> 01:07:29,280
>> Craig is coming back as well.

1472
01:07:29,280 --> 01:07:31,200
>> I heard there was one that they wanted

1473
01:07:31,200 --> 01:07:32,160
to bring back.

1474
01:07:32,160 --> 01:07:32,960
>> Yeah,

1475
01:07:32,960 --> 01:07:34,880
>> I think they're [clears throat]

1476
01:07:34,880 --> 01:07:37,359
doing like retro on it now because I

1477
01:07:37,359 --> 01:07:39,119
know the owners of it said they didn't

1478
01:07:39,119 --> 01:07:43,280
want the I think it was the one cell

1479
01:07:43,280 --> 01:07:46,640
they they had started dismantling it

1480
01:07:46,640 --> 01:07:49,440
>> and then when

1481
01:07:49,440 --> 01:07:51,680
The government said, "No, I want that

1482
01:07:51,680 --> 01:07:54,400
bag back up." Now they have to rebuild

1483
01:07:54,400 --> 01:07:56,480
it. Please, my dad helped build that

1484
01:07:56,480 --> 01:07:58,640
plant. My youngest brother went out

1485
01:07:58,640 --> 01:08:00,720
there and helped us now.

1486
01:08:00,720 --> 01:08:03,599
>> They wanted that using

1487
01:08:03,599 --> 01:08:06,400
natural gas in homes. I don't quite

1488
01:08:06,400 --> 01:08:08,319
understand how using electric in homes

1489
01:08:08,319 --> 01:08:10,400
and just using the natural gas in a

1490
01:08:10,400 --> 01:08:12,160
power plant instead of in the home is

1491
01:08:12,160 --> 01:08:14,880
any better, but that's their rationale.

1492
01:08:14,880 --> 01:08:16,960
If you would like more information, I

1493
01:08:16,960 --> 01:08:19,920
encourage you to to the state

1494
01:08:19,920 --> 01:08:22,640
>> because I've not gotten any clear

1495
01:08:22,640 --> 01:08:26,319
thought process for that. Um it will

1496
01:08:26,319 --> 01:08:28,400
>> I worked in the gas field. There is

1497
01:08:28,400 --> 01:08:34,319
enough gas at that time to power us and

1498
01:08:34,319 --> 01:08:35,679
China.

1499
01:08:35,679 --> 01:08:36,239
>> Yep.

1500
01:08:36,239 --> 01:08:37,040
>> But they won't.

1501
01:08:37,040 --> 01:08:39,279
>> Especially in this state,

1502
01:08:39,279 --> 01:08:41,040
>> we're one of the largest producers of

1503
01:08:41,040 --> 01:08:43,440
natural gas in the country.

1504
01:08:43,440 --> 01:08:47,120
>> One, not but one.

1505
01:08:47,120 --> 01:08:48,960
New buildings must have provisions for

1506
01:08:48,960 --> 01:08:51,120
the installation of solar panels. You're

1507
01:08:51,120 --> 01:08:53,440
not required to put them on, but the

1508
01:08:53,440 --> 01:08:55,520
provisions have to be there to be able

1509
01:08:55,520 --> 01:08:57,600
to put them on. In other words, you have

1510
01:08:57,600 --> 01:09:00,880
to run a conduit up through wall goes up

1511
01:09:00,880 --> 01:09:02,799
to your attic so that they have the

1512
01:09:02,799 --> 01:09:05,040
ability to run lines from your solar

1513
01:09:05,040 --> 01:09:09,920
system back down. That's it.

1514
01:09:09,920 --> 01:09:12,640
There's the black and white of it.

1515
01:09:12,640 --> 01:09:14,400
New buildings must have provisions for

1516
01:09:14,400 --> 01:09:16,400
the installation of electrical vehicle

1517
01:09:16,400 --> 01:09:20,000
chargers in the garage. One of the two

1518
01:09:20,000 --> 01:09:22,319
spaces, if there's two spaces, one of

1519
01:09:22,319 --> 01:09:24,960
the two spaces has to have an electrical

1520
01:09:24,960 --> 01:09:27,839
receptacle for a charger,

1521
01:09:27,839 --> 01:09:30,319
which is a 40 amp receptacle. Keep in

1522
01:09:30,319 --> 01:09:32,080
mind,

1523
01:09:32,080 --> 01:09:35,120
>> 220 40. So, you have to have a

1524
01:09:35,120 --> 01:09:38,719
>> you have to have a system a a panel

1525
01:09:38,719 --> 01:09:41,199
large enough for these additional

1526
01:09:41,199 --> 01:09:43,440
things. By the way, doesn't mean you

1527
01:09:43,440 --> 01:09:45,040
have to use them. Doesn't mean that they

1528
01:09:45,040 --> 01:09:46,799
have to. You just have to have backup

1529
01:09:46,799 --> 01:09:48,560
panel large enough to be able to put it

1530
01:09:48,560 --> 01:09:50,319
in. Basically, you're not going to build

1531
01:09:50,319 --> 01:09:52,560
a house nowadays without a 200 amp panel

1532
01:09:52,560 --> 01:09:54,640
anyway. You just may have to put a

1533
01:09:54,640 --> 01:09:57,360
larger panel with more circuits

1534
01:09:57,360 --> 01:09:59,920
available than what you would typically

1535
01:09:59,920 --> 01:10:03,669
put in.

1536
01:10:03,679 --> 01:10:05,600
New buildings must have provisions to

1537
01:10:05,600 --> 01:10:07,280
switch any non-elect electrical system

1538
01:10:07,280 --> 01:10:09,280
to an electrical system to provide the

1539
01:10:09,280 --> 01:10:11,120
same performance as the electrical. So

1540
01:10:11,120 --> 01:10:13,040
in other words, if uh you have a gas

1541
01:10:13,040 --> 01:10:16,560
water heater, you have to have a circuit

1542
01:10:16,560 --> 01:10:19,440
at the water heater

1543
01:10:19,440 --> 01:10:21,520
or an electric water heater if they want

1544
01:10:21,520 --> 01:10:23,600
to switch to that at the same

1545
01:10:23,600 --> 01:10:26,640
performance level as the gas one. So in

1546
01:10:26,640 --> 01:10:29,440
other words, I just put a 40,000 BTU gas

1547
01:10:29,440 --> 01:10:32,960
water heater in. You have to have one a

1548
01:10:32,960 --> 01:10:36,239
circuit large enough to power a 40,000

1549
01:10:36,239 --> 01:10:40,239
BQ electric water heater. You can't So a

1550
01:10:40,239 --> 01:10:43,120
builder can't go put electric over

1551
01:10:43,120 --> 01:10:44,480
there, but I'm going to put electric in

1552
01:10:44,480 --> 01:10:46,800
there large enough to put 20,000 BT

1553
01:10:46,800 --> 01:10:48,400
electric.

1554
01:10:48,400 --> 01:10:50,239
You can't do that. has to be large

1555
01:10:50,239 --> 01:10:56,870
enough to protect length for life.

1556
01:10:56,880 --> 01:10:58,480
» Compassion equipment must have a

1557
01:10:58,480 --> 01:11:00,320
dedicated circuit size. And this

1558
01:11:00,320 --> 01:11:05,360
includes, by the way, stoves.

1559
01:11:05,360 --> 01:11:10,790
I prefer gas stove over,

1560
01:11:10,800 --> 01:11:14,080
but you now have to have that reception.

1561
01:11:14,080 --> 01:11:16,320
And I'll be honest, this is not as big

1562
01:11:16,320 --> 01:11:18,560
as issue as anybody makes it out to be.

1563
01:11:18,560 --> 01:11:21,679
There is not a builder I know of today

1564
01:11:21,679 --> 01:11:24,320
that if they put in a gas stove, not all

1565
01:11:24,320 --> 01:11:26,320
of them did, but if they put gas piping

1566
01:11:26,320 --> 01:11:30,000
in, they put a receptacle.

1567
01:11:30,000 --> 01:11:34,159
They don't know if a building does not

1568
01:11:34,159 --> 01:11:36,080
because they the first thing you're

1569
01:11:36,080 --> 01:11:37,840
going to hear from the homeowner is,

1570
01:11:37,840 --> 01:11:39,360
"Well, we got an electric range and

1571
01:11:39,360 --> 01:11:41,840
there was no plug."

1572
01:11:41,840 --> 01:11:43,920
They don't know what that homeowner is

1573
01:11:43,920 --> 01:11:46,239
going to put in there.

1574
01:11:46,239 --> 01:11:48,480
So, not all of them

1575
01:11:48,480 --> 01:11:55,189
offer gas as an option.

1576
01:11:55,199 --> 01:12:00,870
Even with gas, they only

1577
01:12:00,880 --> 01:12:04,560
exceptions to

1578
01:12:04,560 --> 01:12:07,040
fireplaces that are not used as the main

1579
01:12:07,040 --> 01:12:09,600
means of heating

1580
01:12:09,600 --> 01:12:13,600
and any fire pits or fireplaces outside.

1581
01:12:13,600 --> 01:12:15,199
You don't have to have an electric

1582
01:12:15,199 --> 01:12:17,040
circuit outside in case you want to put

1583
01:12:17,040 --> 01:12:21,510
an electric fire pit in.

1584
01:12:21,520 --> 01:12:24,560
Commercial sustain residential

1585
01:12:24,560 --> 01:12:26,320
additions that don't have any new

1586
01:12:26,320 --> 01:12:31,350
systems are exact.

1587
01:12:31,360 --> 01:12:33,280
Solar ready zones. This is the

1588
01:12:33,280 --> 01:12:35,280
requirement for the solar ready on your

1589
01:12:35,280 --> 01:12:36,960
roof. You have to have a solar ready

1590
01:12:36,960 --> 01:12:39,120
zone. There's not very many houses left

1591
01:12:39,120 --> 01:12:41,199
built today unless they're extremely

1592
01:12:41,199 --> 01:12:42,880
small. And if they are, there's an

1593
01:12:42,880 --> 01:12:46,320
exception in here that allows you to be

1594
01:12:46,320 --> 01:12:48,080
exempt from it based on the square

1595
01:12:48,080 --> 01:12:50,400
footage. But there are not there's not a

1596
01:12:50,400 --> 01:12:52,880
house built typically anymore today that

1597
01:12:52,880 --> 01:12:56,480
doesn't have a solar ready roof zone. In

1598
01:12:56,480 --> 01:12:58,960
other words, a roof large enough to put

1599
01:12:58,960 --> 01:13:02,000
in what's required, which is 300 square

1600
01:13:02,000 --> 01:13:04,719
foot of solar ready area. I don't know

1601
01:13:04,719 --> 01:13:07,600
anybody building houses that tiny

1602
01:13:07,600 --> 01:13:09,120
anymore.

1603
01:13:09,120 --> 01:13:12,000
Tiny homes maybe. But again, now they're

1604
01:13:12,000 --> 01:13:17,270
exempt.

1605
01:13:17,280 --> 01:13:23,920
Next.

1606
01:13:23,920 --> 01:13:25,840
EB

1607
01:13:25,840 --> 01:13:27,840
building.

1608
01:13:27,840 --> 01:13:29,920
Eddie.

1609
01:13:29,920 --> 01:13:33,120
Like I said, each garage, bay, or

1610
01:13:33,120 --> 01:13:35,679
parking space shall be divided for one

1611
01:13:35,679 --> 01:13:38,880
EV ready space. What that means is they

1612
01:13:38,880 --> 01:13:43,199
have to put a 40 amp 220 circuit in the

1613
01:13:43,199 --> 01:13:48,149
garage.

1614
01:13:48,159 --> 01:13:50,880
You can use one receptacle

1615
01:13:50,880 --> 01:13:53,520
for two spaces

1616
01:13:53,520 --> 01:13:57,040
long as it's within 3 ft of each other.

1617
01:13:57,040 --> 01:13:59,199
So there are some some exceptions in

1618
01:13:59,199 --> 01:14:02,159
there. Um the receptacle is not needed

1619
01:14:02,159 --> 01:14:03,520
if they already have a charger

1620
01:14:03,520 --> 01:14:05,199
installed. We're seeing more and more of

1621
01:14:05,199 --> 01:14:07,679
that, too. Surprisingly enough, with the

1622
01:14:07,679 --> 01:14:10,320
amount of electric cars out there now,

1623
01:14:10,320 --> 01:14:12,800
>> I'm amazed at the amount of new build

1624
01:14:12,800 --> 01:14:15,760
houses that are actually coming with EV

1625
01:14:15,760 --> 01:14:22,229
chargers already built in the garage.

1626
01:14:22,239 --> 01:14:23,360
All the buildings have to have

1627
01:14:23,360 --> 01:14:24,719
provisions for the charging of

1628
01:14:24,719 --> 01:14:27,280
electrical vehicles. What I just was

1629
01:14:27,280 --> 01:14:28,800
telling you, you have to have that 40

1630
01:14:28,800 --> 01:14:32,640
amp breaker in the panel and that 40 amp

1631
01:14:32,640 --> 01:14:36,321
circuit in the garage.

1632
01:14:36,321 --> 01:14:43,270
[snorts] Next.

1633
01:14:43,280 --> 01:14:51,110
Anybody heard of the wild?

1634
01:14:51,120 --> 01:14:54,560
» That is another requirement coming in.

1635
01:14:54,560 --> 01:14:56,880
Not so bad here. There are some areas

1636
01:14:56,880 --> 01:14:58,320
where it's going to be extremely

1637
01:14:58,320 --> 01:15:02,790
difficult.

1638
01:15:02,800 --> 01:15:04,960
» I'm [clears throat] done.

1639
01:15:04,960 --> 01:15:06,560
>> Okay. Thank you.

1640
01:15:06,560 --> 01:15:10,400
>> Went lot longer than I wanted to, but

1641
01:15:10,400 --> 01:15:12,880
that's why I'm here, guys. It's to to

1642
01:15:12,880 --> 01:15:16,560
help you. Um I have not obviously at

1643
01:15:16,560 --> 01:15:19,120
this point written any ordinance. This

1644
01:15:19,120 --> 01:15:20,960
is the beginning of all that to come

1645
01:15:20,960 --> 01:15:23,920
back to you later on with an ordinance

1646
01:15:23,920 --> 01:15:27,280
to adopt code.

1647
01:15:27,280 --> 01:15:29,760
Obviously, it's not a requirement. I

1648
01:15:29,760 --> 01:15:33,840
don't give the the power to delegate to

1649
01:15:33,840 --> 01:15:36,000
you guys what to do. I present to you

1650
01:15:36,000 --> 01:15:37,920
what I recommend as your building

1651
01:15:37,920 --> 01:15:41,679
official and you guys get the final say.

1652
01:15:41,679 --> 01:15:45,097
And Trevor, you've been extremely quiet.

1653
01:15:45,097 --> 01:15:45,280
[clears throat]

1654
01:15:45,280 --> 01:15:50,327
>> I see you have more questions for me.

1655
01:15:50,337 --> 01:15:53,430
» [laughter and clears throat]

1656
01:15:53,440 --> 01:15:54,880
» Maybe you just answered what you needed

1657
01:15:54,880 --> 01:15:55,840
to answer.

1658
01:15:55,840 --> 01:15:59,440
>> I hope so. That's why I'm doing and and

1659
01:15:59,440 --> 01:16:04,080
if you have questions, um I will leave

1660
01:16:04,080 --> 01:16:06,400
you with some cards that you're more

1661
01:16:06,400 --> 01:16:08,880
than welcome to give them. Both my cell

1662
01:16:08,880 --> 01:16:12,000
number and my office number is on there.

1663
01:16:12,000 --> 01:16:13,760
something comes up, you have a builder

1664
01:16:13,760 --> 01:16:16,320
that comes to you and asks you, you

1665
01:16:16,320 --> 01:16:18,239
know, why do you guys want to do this?

1666
01:16:18,239 --> 01:16:19,760
It's going to cost all this money and so

1667
01:16:19,760 --> 01:16:22,000
on, and you have questions, call me.

1668
01:16:22,000 --> 01:16:23,840
That's what I'm here for. That's part of

1669
01:16:23,840 --> 01:16:27,040
the service that we provide for you. So,

1670
01:16:27,040 --> 01:16:28,880
please don't hesitate to reach out to

1671
01:16:28,880 --> 01:16:30,640
me.

1672
01:16:30,640 --> 01:16:34,640
You're not bothering me. This is my job

1673
01:16:34,640 --> 01:16:41,590
and I am a cookie.

1674
01:16:41,600 --> 01:16:45,120
like what I do.

1675
01:16:45,120 --> 01:16:47,679
>> It's an illness.

1676
01:16:47,679 --> 01:16:54,870
>> He's my goto guy.

1677
01:16:54,880 --> 01:16:59,189
» I grew up in it. My dad

1678
01:16:59,199 --> 01:17:02,080
was a general contractor. So I started

1679
01:17:02,080 --> 01:17:05,669
sweeping floors

1680
01:17:05,679 --> 01:17:07,840
and

1681
01:17:07,840 --> 01:17:09,760
grew up in this and then decided I'd

1682
01:17:09,760 --> 01:17:11,600
like to have some body left by the time

1683
01:17:11,600 --> 01:17:14,960
I got to my age. So, I got out of

1684
01:17:14,960 --> 01:17:17,120
actually doing it and started getting

1685
01:17:17,120 --> 01:17:20,880
into reinforcement for the code. So, and

1686
01:17:20,880 --> 01:17:23,360
I truly enjoy it.

1687
01:17:23,360 --> 01:17:26,000
I enjoy this, too. I really do. I enjoy

1688
01:17:26,000 --> 01:17:27,600
being able to speak to

1689
01:17:27,600 --> 01:17:30,080
>> to board members and help them

1690
01:17:30,080 --> 01:17:32,800
understand why we do codes, what the

1691
01:17:32,800 --> 01:17:35,600
codes consist of, uh, and hopefully get

1692
01:17:35,600 --> 01:17:37,840
rid of

1693
01:17:37,840 --> 01:17:40,159
disinformation.

1694
01:17:40,159 --> 01:17:43,120
The cost has come back. I promise you.

1695
01:17:43,120 --> 01:17:44,560
And I would agree with you that I've

1696
01:17:44,560 --> 01:17:46,960
heard that and there wasn't a huge

1697
01:17:46,960 --> 01:17:50,800
increase from 12 to 18, but that cost

1698
01:17:50,800 --> 01:17:57,590
has come way down between 18 and 24.

1699
01:17:57,600 --> 01:18:02,790
» Well, thank you.

1700
01:18:02,800 --> 01:18:04,719
» Thank you.

1701
01:18:04,719 --> 01:18:06,560
I appreciate policy.

1702
01:18:06,560 --> 01:18:08,880
>> Thank you.

1703
01:18:08,880 --> 01:18:12,480
>> All right. Pull yours up.

1704
01:18:12,480 --> 01:18:14,960
So, now we're going to move on to town

1705
01:18:14,960 --> 01:18:16,640
policies.

1706
01:18:16,640 --> 01:18:17,600
Um, [clears throat]

1707
01:18:17,600 --> 01:18:19,679
automated vehicle identification system

1708
01:18:19,679 --> 01:18:22,400
presentation by Lindsay Sloan,

1709
01:18:22,400 --> 01:18:24,480
assistant town attorney.

1710
01:18:24,480 --> 01:18:29,280
>> Yeah. Um, so I know that you have

1711
01:18:29,280 --> 01:18:31,199
already been you've already had some

1712
01:18:31,199 --> 01:18:36,239
presentations about um, Avis from the

1713
01:18:36,239 --> 01:18:39,520
vendor docka and I just kind of wanted

1714
01:18:39,520 --> 01:18:43,040
to go ahead and chat with you a bit more

1715
01:18:43,040 --> 01:18:46,080
about it from um, a legal standpoint,

1716
01:18:46,080 --> 01:18:48,640
right? um just kind of give you a bit

1717
01:18:48,640 --> 01:18:50,880
more of the highle understanding of what

1718
01:18:50,880 --> 01:18:52,800
legal considerations you should keep in

1719
01:18:52,800 --> 01:18:56,080
mind when considering whether to adopt a

1720
01:18:56,080 --> 01:18:58,480
regulations and then if you do kind of

1721
01:18:58,480 --> 01:19:01,120
what the steps are and what policy

1722
01:19:01,120 --> 01:19:03,360
considerations um you may want to think

1723
01:19:03,360 --> 01:19:06,560
through. So um

1724
01:19:06,560 --> 01:19:08,480
over so I'll be trying to keep it high

1725
01:19:08,480 --> 01:19:10,560
level here and I actually I turned out

1726
01:19:10,560 --> 01:19:12,560
the slides so that we don't I don't have

1727
01:19:12,560 --> 01:19:14,800
to go into the nitty-gritty of all of

1728
01:19:14,800 --> 01:19:17,440
it. Um, but this way if you ever want to

1729
01:19:17,440 --> 01:19:20,159
refer back to it, you can see the

1730
01:19:20,159 --> 01:19:22,960
different legal requirements um for Avis

1731
01:19:22,960 --> 01:19:24,960
regulations and just be able to look at

1732
01:19:24,960 --> 01:19:31,760
it in like an easy to digest um way. So,

1733
01:19:31,760 --> 01:19:34,800
like I mentioned, um

1734
01:19:34,800 --> 01:19:38,800
yes, please. So, um you've already heard

1735
01:19:38,800 --> 01:19:42,000
I think quite a bit about the statutory

1736
01:19:42,000 --> 01:19:44,480
requirements. I just want to reiterate

1737
01:19:44,480 --> 01:19:48,880
that state law governs the use of um ais

1738
01:19:48,880 --> 01:19:51,120
technology for enforcement of speeding

1739
01:19:51,120 --> 01:19:56,159
and traffic laws and um so any system or

1740
01:19:56,159 --> 01:19:57,840
regulations that the town put in place

1741
01:19:57,840 --> 01:20:00,320
would have to follow those statutes

1742
01:20:00,320 --> 01:20:02,560
pretty close like pretty closely and

1743
01:20:02,560 --> 01:20:04,960
there isn't a lot of wiggle room um even

1744
01:20:04,960 --> 01:20:08,080
though the town is um a home rule town

1745
01:20:08,080 --> 01:20:11,280
and so any regulations we put in place

1746
01:20:11,280 --> 01:20:12,400
we want to make sure that we're

1747
01:20:12,400 --> 01:20:16,239
following all of the required um notice

1748
01:20:16,239 --> 01:20:22,640
periods to um to drivers and um that

1749
01:20:22,640 --> 01:20:26,719
we're we're mailing and we're mailing

1750
01:20:26,719 --> 01:20:28,640
out citations in the correct way and

1751
01:20:28,640 --> 01:20:33,120
things like that. Um so if you get any

1752
01:20:33,120 --> 01:20:36,000
specific questions about the law or like

1753
01:20:36,000 --> 01:20:36,960
talking through this like please feel

1754
01:20:36,960 --> 01:20:38,800
free to ask and interrupt me and we can

1755
01:20:38,800 --> 01:20:42,709
chat through it. Um [clears throat]

1756
01:20:42,719 --> 01:20:44,400
So

1757
01:20:44,400 --> 01:20:46,719
again, you've heard a lot of the

1758
01:20:46,719 --> 01:20:48,560
statutory requirements around this. I

1759
01:20:48,560 --> 01:20:50,960
think one thing that I really wanted to

1760
01:20:50,960 --> 01:20:54,480
hone in on was the fact that under the

1761
01:20:54,480 --> 01:20:58,480
statute, um, compensation to vendors

1762
01:20:58,480 --> 01:21:00,640
have to be based on the services and

1763
01:21:00,640 --> 01:21:02,640
equipment that they provide and they

1764
01:21:02,640 --> 01:21:06,480
cannot be tied to revenue from fines.

1765
01:21:06,480 --> 01:21:09,520
So, they also can't be based on um

1766
01:21:09,520 --> 01:21:11,440
basically the vendor getting more money

1767
01:21:11,440 --> 01:21:14,239
because they're issuing more citations.

1768
01:21:14,239 --> 01:21:15,760
And I think that's just really important

1769
01:21:15,760 --> 01:21:18,159
to point out because I think you'll see

1770
01:21:18,159 --> 01:21:20,480
that I think you'll kind of find that

1771
01:21:20,480 --> 01:21:21,840
first of all, there are multiple

1772
01:21:21,840 --> 01:21:23,120
different vendors out there that do

1773
01:21:23,120 --> 01:21:25,440
this. But then second of all, I think

1774
01:21:25,440 --> 01:21:26,719
there's going to be situations where

1775
01:21:26,719 --> 01:21:28,239
they aren't as familiar with Colorado

1776
01:21:28,239 --> 01:21:30,080
law and they're going to try to tell

1777
01:21:30,080 --> 01:21:33,199
you, "Oh, well, we say like, you know,

1778
01:21:33,199 --> 01:21:35,120
it doesn't really it's not tied to that.

1779
01:21:35,120 --> 01:21:36,239
Don't worry about it." But when you

1780
01:21:36,239 --> 01:21:37,760
really actually look at the payment

1781
01:21:37,760 --> 01:21:40,239
structure, their revenue will go up

1782
01:21:40,239 --> 01:21:41,760
based on the number of citations. So

1783
01:21:41,760 --> 01:21:44,800
it's something that you know um Kim and

1784
01:21:44,800 --> 01:21:47,120
I would be looking at closely if we're

1785
01:21:47,120 --> 01:21:48,719
if and when we're looking at contracts

1786
01:21:48,719 --> 01:21:51,280
for this. Um

1787
01:21:51,280 --> 01:21:53,520
>> okay.

1788
01:21:53,520 --> 01:21:57,760
So, as we've mentioned, um

1789
01:21:57,760 --> 01:22:00,239
I believe in the past,

1790
01:22:00,239 --> 01:22:04,400
in order to set up an Avis program and

1791
01:22:04,400 --> 01:22:06,480
start enforcing this, you have to adopt

1792
01:22:06,480 --> 01:22:10,800
an ordinance um that sets forth all of

1793
01:22:10,800 --> 01:22:15,199
the different requirements, right? And

1794
01:22:15,199 --> 01:22:16,800
um

1795
01:22:16,800 --> 01:22:18,800
I think one of the things to keep in

1796
01:22:18,800 --> 01:22:21,920
mind with that is that

1797
01:22:21,920 --> 01:22:24,320
a big part of what you'll be deciding in

1798
01:22:24,320 --> 01:22:26,719
terms of what would go a policy decision

1799
01:22:26,719 --> 01:22:28,719
of what would go into this ordinance

1800
01:22:28,719 --> 01:22:31,600
would first of all be where you would

1801
01:22:31,600 --> 01:22:35,120
want this technology to be. Um but then

1802
01:22:35,120 --> 01:22:38,880
also how much you know what charges you

1803
01:22:38,880 --> 01:22:42,159
would want to enforce and what um

1804
01:22:42,159 --> 01:22:44,000
penalties what amount of penalties you

1805
01:22:44,000 --> 01:22:46,000
want for those. So, there are statutory

1806
01:22:46,000 --> 01:22:50,719
maximums. Um, but the town can kind of

1807
01:22:50,719 --> 01:22:52,560
determine like do you want to always

1808
01:22:52,560 --> 01:22:54,320
issue that maximum amount? Do you want

1809
01:22:54,320 --> 01:22:58,239
to go lower in some cases? Um, so

1810
01:22:58,239 --> 01:23:01,520
that'll just be something to consider

1811
01:23:01,520 --> 01:23:06,320
when adopting the uh regulations.

1812
01:23:06,320 --> 01:23:10,400
So, as I mentioned, one of the

1813
01:23:10,400 --> 01:23:12,639
biggest decisions that really needs to

1814
01:23:12,639 --> 01:23:16,400
go into this before an ordinance is

1815
01:23:16,400 --> 01:23:19,280
completely drafted and passed is the

1816
01:23:19,280 --> 01:23:21,520
decision of where these would be

1817
01:23:21,520 --> 01:23:24,960
implemented because um the ordinance

1818
01:23:24,960 --> 01:23:27,760
itself will need to will need to put

1819
01:23:27,760 --> 01:23:30,320
that forward. And um [clears throat]

1820
01:23:30,320 --> 01:23:32,159
when it comes to there's different

1821
01:23:32,159 --> 01:23:34,159
there's certain authorized roadways that

1822
01:23:34,159 --> 01:23:39,280
it they can be implemented and um

1823
01:23:39,280 --> 01:23:42,480
in order to do a designated corridor. So

1824
01:23:42,480 --> 01:23:43,520
that would just be something that

1825
01:23:43,520 --> 01:23:44,719
doesn't fall under those other

1826
01:23:44,719 --> 01:23:46,800
categories but there is a lot of

1827
01:23:46,800 --> 01:23:49,280
speeding and um the town is really

1828
01:23:49,280 --> 01:23:52,320
trying to reduce speeding in that area.

1829
01:23:52,320 --> 01:23:56,639
Um you have to devote studies to uh that

1830
01:23:56,639 --> 01:23:59,360
include five year the past uh sorry

1831
01:23:59,360 --> 01:24:01,199
quantitative quantitative data for the

1832
01:24:01,199 --> 01:24:04,320
past five years that kind of show um

1833
01:24:04,320 --> 01:24:05,920
that there's a lot of speeding in that

1834
01:24:05,920 --> 01:24:08,960
area um and that so that the town can

1835
01:24:08,960 --> 01:24:11,600
really showcase like this is why we have

1836
01:24:11,600 --> 01:24:16,080
this here um and why it's necessary and

1837
01:24:16,080 --> 01:24:19,760
um so far Dakra

1838
01:24:19,760 --> 01:24:22,800
did a little bit of studies. They put

1839
01:24:22,800 --> 01:24:25,760
out some some kind of tech to get some

1840
01:24:25,760 --> 01:24:27,920
insight, but it was only a six day

1841
01:24:27,920 --> 01:24:30,239
study. And you know, I was talking with

1842
01:24:30,239 --> 01:24:32,880
Kim about it, too. And in general, they

1843
01:24:32,880 --> 01:24:35,440
didn't collect any data for the school

1844
01:24:35,440 --> 01:24:37,199
while the school's own school is in

1845
01:24:37,199 --> 01:24:40,639
session. Um, and there's also

1846
01:24:40,639 --> 01:24:44,400
>> Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. Um, and they also,

1847
01:24:44,400 --> 01:24:46,239
you know, haven't been able to collect

1848
01:24:46,239 --> 01:24:48,080
data on the bridge because it's under

1849
01:24:48,080 --> 01:24:51,920
construction. So I think right now Kim

1850
01:24:51,920 --> 01:24:54,000
and I were kind of looking at what's

1851
01:24:54,000 --> 01:24:57,360
already completed by Dakra and in

1852
01:24:57,360 --> 01:24:59,360
general we were thinking that it it

1853
01:24:59,360 --> 01:25:02,480
could be beneficial to spend you know if

1854
01:25:02,480 --> 01:25:04,719
we were going to move forward with AIS

1855
01:25:04,719 --> 01:25:06,159
regulations and we really want to do

1856
01:25:06,159 --> 01:25:09,040
this it's it could be beneficial to

1857
01:25:09,040 --> 01:25:12,400
spend a bit more time getting data on

1858
01:25:12,400 --> 01:25:14,080
potential speed corridors.

1859
01:25:14,080 --> 01:25:17,280
>> How would you go back five years? So you

1860
01:25:17,280 --> 01:25:21,120
don't have to go all the way back five

1861
01:25:21,120 --> 01:25:22,960
years. That's I know the language is

1862
01:25:22,960 --> 01:25:24,159
kind of like confusing in it, but

1863
01:25:24,159 --> 01:25:25,760
basically it says it has to be from the

1864
01:25:25,760 --> 01:25:28,400
past five years. So it can't be before

1865
01:25:28,400 --> 01:25:32,719
five years ago, right? Um I think and

1866
01:25:32,719 --> 01:25:34,800
then from there if you were that

1867
01:25:34,800 --> 01:25:38,080
whenever you're adopting this it could

1868
01:25:38,080 --> 01:25:42,159
be subject to a lot of attention and

1869
01:25:42,159 --> 01:25:44,719
potential local you know concern and

1870
01:25:44,719 --> 01:25:46,960
frustration. And so you really want to

1871
01:25:46,960 --> 01:25:49,120
be able to back up your decisions of

1872
01:25:49,120 --> 01:25:52,000
where you have these and why on like

1873
01:25:52,000 --> 01:25:53,040
with you know [clears throat]

1874
01:25:53,040 --> 01:25:54,560
quantitative

1875
01:25:54,560 --> 01:25:57,040
uh safety data.

1876
01:25:57,040 --> 01:26:00,719
>> Right. Exactly. Um it's not just like

1877
01:26:00,719 --> 01:26:01,840
Well, we thought it'd be good to have

1878
01:26:01,840 --> 01:26:04,400
one here. Um, it really should be

1879
01:26:04,400 --> 01:26:12,159
focused on uh the intent of reducing speeding and and improving

1880
01:26:12,159 --> 01:26:19,590
safety.

1881
01:26:19,600 --> 01:26:23,679
» Who takes care of

1882
01:26:23,679 --> 01:26:26,560
uh the ticketing and the fines? And

1883
01:26:26,560 --> 01:26:26,960
>> yeah,

1884
01:26:26,960 --> 01:26:29,040
>> do you hire somebody to do that or

1885
01:26:29,040 --> 01:26:33,199
>> Right. So basically um the way that it

1886
01:26:33,199 --> 01:26:35,199
would work is the town would set up its

1887
01:26:35,199 --> 01:26:38,320
ordinance and then the what we would

1888
01:26:38,320 --> 01:26:40,080
recommend and what would be necessary

1889
01:26:40,080 --> 01:26:41,840
under the purchasing policy that you

1890
01:26:41,840 --> 01:26:44,560
guys adopted is to put out a request for

1891
01:26:44,560 --> 01:26:48,239
proposals for vendors and basically say

1892
01:26:48,239 --> 01:26:49,840
we're looking to imple this is our

1893
01:26:49,840 --> 01:26:51,040
ordinance. We're looking to implement

1894
01:26:51,040 --> 01:26:53,520
this technology. Who can provide this

1895
01:26:53,520 --> 01:26:56,239
for us and how? And so then different

1896
01:26:56,239 --> 01:26:58,719
vendors like Dacra who have kind of uh

1897
01:26:58,719 --> 01:27:02,000
presented here will give proposals of

1898
01:27:02,000 --> 01:27:04,560
how their technology works and what

1899
01:27:04,560 --> 01:27:08,719
services they offer and um you know we'd

1900
01:27:08,719 --> 01:27:11,520
also be we'd also require them to

1901
01:27:11,520 --> 01:27:13,520
explain how they are complying with with

1902
01:27:13,520 --> 01:27:17,120
Colorado law right and so um yeah so

1903
01:27:17,120 --> 01:27:18,960
basically there are a lot of vendors out

1904
01:27:18,960 --> 01:27:22,400
there who kind of do it all they they

1905
01:27:22,400 --> 01:27:24,560
will Can you show the next slide? It

1906
01:27:24,560 --> 01:27:28,719
might be okay. Yeah. So, um, a lot of

1907
01:27:28,719 --> 01:27:30,560
times they will own equipment and then

1908
01:27:30,560 --> 01:27:32,880
kind of rent it out to the town and then

1909
01:27:32,880 --> 01:27:35,040
that equipment will take photos and

1910
01:27:35,040 --> 01:27:38,800
video and will basically write up the

1911
01:27:38,800 --> 01:27:40,400
citations and tie it back to the owner

1912
01:27:40,400 --> 01:27:44,239
of the car um, the vehicle and then the

1913
01:27:44,239 --> 01:27:48,000
town staff would review the citations

1914
01:27:48,000 --> 01:27:50,960
and then with pretty kind of strict

1915
01:27:50,960 --> 01:27:54,000
objective criteria, right? determine um

1916
01:27:54,000 --> 01:27:55,760
okay this is correct this is correct and

1917
01:27:55,760 --> 01:27:58,159
then they would be mailed out to folks

1918
01:27:58,159 --> 01:28:00,080
um

1919
01:28:00,080 --> 01:28:03,679
>> that would be yeah so I think that there

1920
01:28:03,679 --> 01:28:05,840
might be some vendors that do mailing

1921
01:28:05,840 --> 01:28:10,239
but um it would it would likely be it

1922
01:28:10,239 --> 01:28:12,480
could likely be town staff

1923
01:28:12,480 --> 01:28:15,600
>> would be another question is it legal

1924
01:28:15,600 --> 01:28:19,120
>> to site the owner of the car even if

1925
01:28:19,120 --> 01:28:22,159
they're not driving the car So

1926
01:28:22,159 --> 01:28:24,880
>> yeah, so under this under the search

1927
01:28:24,880 --> 01:28:27,120
scheme, it is always tied back to the

1928
01:28:27,120 --> 01:28:29,120
owner of the vehicle and then

1929
01:28:29,120 --> 01:28:31,679
>> it's a civil it's a civil

1930
01:28:31,679 --> 01:28:33,760
rights

1931
01:28:33,760 --> 01:28:35,679
>> correct. So you don't lose points off

1932
01:28:35,679 --> 01:28:38,800
your license or anything.

1933
01:28:38,800 --> 01:28:39,199
>> Yes.

1934
01:28:39,199 --> 01:28:40,880
>> And there's a way that they can contest

1935
01:28:40,880 --> 01:28:41,840
it, right?

1936
01:28:41,840 --> 01:28:43,600
>> Yes. So yeah, sorry. I would have gone

1937
01:28:43,600 --> 01:28:45,280
over to this. I thought that maybe

1938
01:28:45,280 --> 01:28:47,600
you'll have already been overexlaining

1939
01:28:47,600 --> 01:28:49,199
on this, so I didn't want to repeat too

1940
01:28:49,199 --> 01:28:52,239
much, but I'll explain. So, um, they

1941
01:28:52,239 --> 01:28:55,040
issue somebody will be issued a citation

1942
01:28:55,040 --> 01:28:56,960
and then they have a number of days, I

1943
01:28:56,960 --> 01:28:59,520
believe it's 45 days to request a

1944
01:28:59,520 --> 01:29:01,920
hearing to contest it if they want. And

1945
01:29:01,920 --> 01:29:03,360
that's something to keep in mind as well

1946
01:29:03,360 --> 01:29:05,199
is that those hearings would likely need

1947
01:29:05,199 --> 01:29:07,440
to be handled by the municipal court.

1948
01:29:07,440 --> 01:29:10,719
Um, so they could either uh request a

1949
01:29:10,719 --> 01:29:13,600
hearing, they could pay the fine, or

1950
01:29:13,600 --> 01:29:15,280
they could just not pay it. Right.

1951
01:29:15,280 --> 01:29:19,520
>> So, I don't see how anybody ever

1952
01:29:19,520 --> 01:29:21,920
How does the don't ever get money if you

1953
01:29:21,920 --> 01:29:24,000
can go through all those channels to get

1954
01:29:24,000 --> 01:29:26,639
rid of the ticket or the fee.

1955
01:29:26,639 --> 01:29:28,239
>> I mean, I think it's a great

1956
01:29:28,239 --> 01:29:32,800
consideration, right? Because I think um

1957
01:29:32,800 --> 01:29:34,400
it's something to keep in mind with

1958
01:29:34,400 --> 01:29:36,400
this. And to be clear, I'm also not

1959
01:29:36,400 --> 01:29:40,639
trying to like persuade you all to adopt

1960
01:29:40,639 --> 01:29:42,639
these, right? I this is something that

1961
01:29:42,639 --> 01:29:44,960
is an option for the town that town

1962
01:29:44,960 --> 01:29:47,520
staff brought up and because they were

1963
01:29:47,520 --> 01:29:49,679
contacted by some vendors. I'm not

1964
01:29:49,679 --> 01:29:50,880
trying to convince you to do it. I'm

1965
01:29:50,880 --> 01:29:52,480
more just so anyways I just want to make

1966
01:29:52,480 --> 01:29:55,840
that clear. But really that is a like a

1967
01:29:55,840 --> 01:29:58,080
good point to consider. And overall a

1968
01:29:58,080 --> 01:30:00,560
lot of the times these these programs

1969
01:30:00,560 --> 01:30:03,679
are cost neutral. So it's not like it's

1970
01:30:03,679 --> 01:30:05,440
there's no guarantee that it would even

1971
01:30:05,440 --> 01:30:07,280
like that it would generate revenue for

1972
01:30:07,280 --> 01:30:10,000
the town. The point of it is to reduce

1973
01:30:10,000 --> 01:30:14,320
speeding and to potentially be able to,

1974
01:30:14,320 --> 01:30:17,040
you know, enforce more citations than um

1975
01:30:17,040 --> 01:30:20,159
a police officer would be able to um you

1976
01:30:20,159 --> 01:30:22,639
know, write up on a regular basis kind

1977
01:30:22,639 --> 01:30:24,080
of thing. Um

1978
01:30:24,080 --> 01:30:27,199
>> Yeah, exactly. So, it would kind of be

1979
01:30:27,199 --> 01:30:30,960
it's it's more of a deterine. It's more

1980
01:30:30,960 --> 01:30:35,600
of a um of

1981
01:30:35,600 --> 01:30:38,320
Yeah. rather than an enforcement

1982
01:30:38,320 --> 01:30:40,400
mechanism, rather than necessarily like

1983
01:30:40,400 --> 01:30:43,040
a revenue generating

1984
01:30:43,040 --> 01:30:47,120
cost money to have these

1985
01:30:47,120 --> 01:30:48,080
>> program in place,

1986
01:30:48,080 --> 01:30:48,800
>> right?

1987
01:30:48,800 --> 01:30:51,440
>> It can, right? So,

1988
01:30:51,440 --> 01:30:55,990
>> like

1989
01:30:56,000 --> 01:30:59,600
because it doesn't sound like

1990
01:30:59,600 --> 01:31:02,000
>> Well, if they

1991
01:31:02,000 --> 01:31:03,679
>> No, I understand. I've seen

1992
01:31:03,679 --> 01:31:07,120
>> this is this is I don't I'm not just

1993
01:31:07,120 --> 01:31:10,480
saying how how like if you can get out

1994
01:31:10,480 --> 01:31:13,520
of it like you just claim yeah easily

1995
01:31:13,520 --> 01:31:15,600
>> and just say I'm not going to pay it or

1996
01:31:15,600 --> 01:31:17,440
I'm going to go to court and not pay

1997
01:31:17,440 --> 01:31:20,639
then what's the point that's my point if

1998
01:31:20,639 --> 01:31:23,120
it's so easy to get out of it

1999
01:31:23,120 --> 01:31:25,120
>> I don't think it's necessarily that easy

2000
01:31:25,120 --> 01:31:28,719
I mean soon get a ticket my mom got one

2001
01:31:28,719 --> 01:31:32,960
up at Curtis end my sister was driving

2002
01:31:32,960 --> 01:31:36,000
but it's $40 it doesn't

2003
01:31:36,000 --> 01:31:37,840
license doesn't go into record. You just

2004
01:31:37,840 --> 01:31:39,920
write the check and go on about

2005
01:31:39,920 --> 01:31:42,639
>> if you really think you need to find it

2006
01:31:42,639 --> 01:31:44,560
>> because if you do a school zone and they

2007
01:31:44,560 --> 01:31:46,880
turn the freaking school zone lights on

2008
01:31:46,880 --> 01:31:47,920
this week,

2009
01:31:47,920 --> 01:31:56,310
>> nobody has noticed. Nobody

2010
01:31:56,320 --> 01:32:00,080
» and if they start getting a $300 ticket

2011
01:32:00,080 --> 01:32:01,920
>> cuz it just blew through a school zone

2012
01:32:01,920 --> 01:32:04,719
and the threshold's 11 miles an hour.

2013
01:32:04,719 --> 01:32:07,199
11. So to get one in front of your

2014
01:32:07,199 --> 01:32:10,159
store, you got to be doing 46

2015
01:32:10,159 --> 01:32:13,280
or in front of my house nonschool zone,

2016
01:32:13,280 --> 01:32:16,159
you got to be doing 46 miles an hour.

2017
01:32:16,159 --> 01:32:20,870
That's minimal threshold. Correct.

2018
01:32:20,880 --> 01:32:26,950
I think we said it.

2019
01:32:26,960 --> 01:32:29,040
» Yeah, I think it was the state patrol

2020
01:32:29,040 --> 01:32:31,120
and the sheriff's office said 11.

2021
01:32:31,120 --> 01:32:33,040
>> Yeah, the the legal framework on her one

2022
01:32:33,040 --> 01:32:36,000
slide here says violations of 10 m or

2023
01:32:36,000 --> 01:32:37,840
under received warnings.

2024
01:32:37,840 --> 01:32:40,159
>> Civil penalties begin at 11. But where

2025
01:32:40,159 --> 01:32:40,639
the

2026
01:32:40,639 --> 01:32:44,239
>> except longterm benefit is of it the

2027
01:32:44,239 --> 01:32:49,360
absolute long term I was going down to

2028
01:32:49,360 --> 01:32:52,400
most of the summer we're going to big

2029
01:32:52,400 --> 01:32:56,800
and on on the CJSA group everybody got a

2030
01:32:56,800 --> 01:32:59,520
notice hey when leaving

2031
01:32:59,520 --> 01:33:02,639
it wasn't Fort the next little town over

2032
01:33:02,639 --> 01:33:05,280
when going in and out of that town be

2033
01:33:05,280 --> 01:33:08,000
very careful because there's cameras on

2034
01:33:08,000 --> 01:33:09,520
both ends Right.

2035
01:33:09,520 --> 01:33:12,960
>> Same thing when you go up uh road 49

2036
01:33:12,960 --> 01:33:15,679
cruisy. I mean both ends there's speed.

2037
01:33:15,679 --> 01:33:16,320
>> Right.

2038
01:33:16,320 --> 01:33:18,159
>> So

2039
01:33:18,159 --> 01:33:20,080
the long-term benefit is we get

2040
01:33:20,080 --> 01:33:21,679
everybody train.

2041
01:33:21,679 --> 01:33:22,480
>> Um

2042
01:33:22,480 --> 01:33:26,080
>> I think I don't know if it's necessarily

2043
01:33:26,080 --> 01:33:28,800
I think you're right. It's a it's a cost

2044
01:33:28,800 --> 01:33:30,719
neutral. It's not going to cost us

2045
01:33:30,719 --> 01:33:31,199
money.

2046
01:33:31,199 --> 01:33:32,719
>> Well, how much does it cost?

2047
01:33:32,719 --> 01:33:34,639
>> So that can depend on the vendor, right?

2048
01:33:34,639 --> 01:33:37,040
So, um, and that's what gets a little

2049
01:33:37,040 --> 01:33:38,800
bit confusing about it, why we would put

2050
01:33:38,800 --> 01:33:40,719
out a request for proposals to try to

2051
01:33:40,719 --> 01:33:43,040
get the lowest cost that we could. The

2052
01:33:43,040 --> 01:33:45,440
thing that I see potentially costing is

2053
01:33:45,440 --> 01:33:47,760
the equipment rental. Um, there might be

2054
01:33:47,760 --> 01:33:50,320
like flat rates of just, you know,

2055
01:33:50,320 --> 01:33:54,480
$4,000 a month to for to have that

2056
01:33:54,480 --> 01:33:58,639
camera. And then, um, the other payments

2057
01:33:58,639 --> 01:34:00,719
would probably be through just the

2058
01:34:00,719 --> 01:34:03,199
different like services that are

2059
01:34:03,199 --> 01:34:06,000
provided in fees are paid, bonds are

2060
01:34:06,000 --> 01:34:06,400
paid.

2061
01:34:06,400 --> 01:34:10,159
>> What are the what um

2062
01:34:10,159 --> 01:34:10,480
>> or

2063
01:34:10,480 --> 01:34:14,239
>> what are other towns like ours?

2064
01:34:14,239 --> 01:34:17,520
>> Um like what money how much money do

2065
01:34:17,520 --> 01:34:19,199
they raise up?

2066
01:34:19,199 --> 01:34:21,280
>> Right. So, we haven't seen that much of

2067
01:34:21,280 --> 01:34:24,000
that data yet in terms of our size. Um I

2068
01:34:24,000 --> 01:34:26,400
know that Hugo adopted AIS regulations

2069
01:34:26,400 --> 01:34:29,360
in March, but I haven't been able to see

2070
01:34:29,360 --> 01:34:31,360
yet like what those benefits have been

2071
01:34:31,360 --> 01:34:35,040
for them. Um, Wheatidge has reported a

2072
01:34:35,040 --> 01:34:38,080
48% reduction in speeding violations.

2073
01:34:38,080 --> 01:34:41,120
Um, but yeah, again, this is not like a

2074
01:34:41,120 --> 01:34:43,280
big revenue generator. It is supposed to

2075
01:34:43,280 --> 01:34:45,040
be more about reducing speed.

2076
01:34:45,040 --> 01:34:47,040
>> Are we going to lose money?

2077
01:34:47,040 --> 01:34:48,639
>> Um,

2078
01:34:48,639 --> 01:34:50,639
I think that would be the point or

2079
01:34:50,639 --> 01:34:52,800
sorry, that's the point of the is kind

2080
01:34:52,800 --> 01:34:54,320
of learning about the different cost

2081
01:34:54,320 --> 01:34:56,800
structures that different vendors would

2082
01:34:56,800 --> 01:34:58,080
offer.

2083
01:34:58,080 --> 01:35:00,800
>> Sure. Thank you.

2084
01:35:00,800 --> 01:35:06,960
Um, right now the DACA one had a

2085
01:35:06,960 --> 01:35:11,440
flat equipment fee of 4,000 a month for

2086
01:35:11,440 --> 01:35:12,960
renting the equipment, but then

2087
01:35:12,960 --> 01:35:15,760
everything else it more kind of comes in

2088
01:35:15,760 --> 01:35:20,159
and out with the wash um to put it kind

2089
01:35:20,159 --> 01:35:24,080
of broadly. But um, so last month when

2090
01:35:24,080 --> 01:35:27,120
they did the presentation, I think he

2091
01:35:27,120 --> 01:35:30,239
said that up here in the even though we

2092
01:35:30,239 --> 01:35:32,719
don't have the school zone on right now

2093
01:35:32,719 --> 01:35:35,040
over the summer. He said that the

2094
01:35:35,040 --> 01:35:39,040
average [clears throat] mile over was 12

2095
01:35:39,040 --> 01:35:41,679
to 14 up in

2096
01:35:41,679 --> 01:35:43,120
>> and I agree. And

2097
01:35:43,120 --> 01:35:44,880
>> he did 45 I think too.

2098
01:35:44,880 --> 01:35:47,840
>> Yeah. And 45

2099
01:35:47,840 --> 01:35:50,880
>> and down by

2100
01:35:50,880 --> 01:35:53,040
the British or did they do down the road

2101
01:35:53,040 --> 01:35:53,360
down?

2102
01:35:53,360 --> 01:35:55,440
>> He said it was hard to get everybody's

2103
01:35:55,440 --> 01:35:56,400
already slowing down.

2104
01:35:56,400 --> 01:35:59,199
>> Yeah.

2105
01:35:59,199 --> 01:36:01,600
They're gonna come back and do that

2106
01:36:01,600 --> 01:36:03,920
school zone once school is in session.

2107
01:36:03,920 --> 01:36:05,679
>> But they did Kyro Bennett where people

2108
01:36:05,679 --> 01:36:10,470
are speeding in fair

2109
01:36:10,480 --> 01:36:13,679
speeding and where they're coming and

2110
01:36:13,679 --> 01:36:14,800
they get frustrated with the

2111
01:36:14,800 --> 01:36:16,880
construction down here and then they go

2112
01:36:16,880 --> 01:36:18,560
flying once they get past your store.

2113
01:36:18,560 --> 01:36:19,360
They're flying.

2114
01:36:19,360 --> 01:36:21,360
>> Well, I agree with all of that. I just

2115
01:36:21,360 --> 01:36:23,520
didn't know. I didn't know till she

2116
01:36:23,520 --> 01:36:25,199
explained that they can how many times

2117
01:36:25,199 --> 01:36:27,280
they can fight these things. I mean,

2118
01:36:27,280 --> 01:36:29,760
>> right. said if it goes to municipal

2119
01:36:29,760 --> 01:36:31,520
court if it doesn't if it goes to

2120
01:36:31,520 --> 01:36:32,800
municipal court that doesn't mean the

2121
01:36:32,800 --> 01:36:34,639
judge is going to let them off and if

2122
01:36:34,639 --> 01:36:36,560
they don't pay it you can always go

2123
01:36:36,560 --> 01:36:40,960
after them. Well, so we will say that um

2124
01:36:40,960 --> 01:36:42,719
one of the difficult aspects of this in

2125
01:36:42,719 --> 01:36:45,520
terms of collections is that you know if

2126
01:36:45,520 --> 01:36:47,920
once you go through all those processes

2127
01:36:47,920 --> 01:36:51,360
if they still don't pay in order to send

2128
01:36:51,360 --> 01:36:54,239
collections after someone which takes

2129
01:36:54,239 --> 01:36:55,199
resources

2130
01:36:55,199 --> 01:36:55,760
>> right

2131
01:36:55,760 --> 01:36:57,679
>> you would have like yeah but collections

2132
01:36:57,679 --> 01:36:59,360
itself takes resources sometimes too

2133
01:36:59,360 --> 01:37:01,679
right um you have to personally search

2134
01:37:01,679 --> 01:37:04,320
that person which is obviously

2135
01:37:04,320 --> 01:37:05,840
personally serve you have to like go up

2136
01:37:05,840 --> 01:37:06,400
to them

2137
01:37:06,400 --> 01:37:09,280
>> and They probably out of state or

2138
01:37:09,280 --> 01:37:10,800
>> Yes, they're really difficult to do or

2139
01:37:10,800 --> 01:37:13,520
even Yeah, definitely out of counters.

2140
01:37:13,520 --> 01:37:22,550
hate this

2141
01:37:22,560 --> 01:37:24,320
disgusting

2142
01:37:24,320 --> 01:37:27,119
rat.

2143
01:37:27,119 --> 01:37:28,400
>> Yeah, that seems crazy.

2144
01:37:28,400 --> 01:37:31,920
>> Um, what is on this?

2145
01:37:31,920 --> 01:37:36,320
>> What if St. B got a speeding ticket in

2146
01:37:36,320 --> 01:37:38,560
the schools?

2147
01:37:38,560 --> 01:37:41,040
She was late.

2148
01:37:41,040 --> 01:37:44,960
Oh, and and got and she just

2149
01:37:44,960 --> 01:37:46,960
got it got it mailed, threw it in the

2150
01:37:46,960 --> 01:37:49,920
trash, went on about what is

2151
01:37:49,920 --> 01:37:52,159
tell me

2152
01:37:52,159 --> 01:37:54,000
and she goes to renew her license. She

2153
01:37:54,000 --> 01:37:55,760
can't till she pays that ticket. I mean,

2154
01:37:55,760 --> 01:37:58,080
is it treated the same way as like a

2155
01:37:58,080 --> 01:38:09,030
>> No, she'll get she'll get arrested or

2156
01:38:09,040 --> 01:38:12,560
» Yeah. Yeah, simple. This is simple. So,

2157
01:38:12,560 --> 01:38:14,400
it's just like

2158
01:38:14,400 --> 01:38:17,360
>> you pay the fine or you don't and then

2159
01:38:17,360 --> 01:38:18,560
um

2160
01:38:18,560 --> 01:38:20,560
>> in an ideal world you would be able to

2161
01:38:20,560 --> 01:38:22,560
send collections after them but in this

2162
01:38:22,560 --> 01:38:24,159
scenario it would be very difficult to

2163
01:38:24,159 --> 01:38:26,719
do that. So, so they don't This is what

2164
01:38:26,719 --> 01:38:29,360
I'm doing. They don't pay the ticket.

2165
01:38:29,360 --> 01:38:34,560
>> Well, for this when I worked years ago,

2166
01:38:34,560 --> 01:38:36,480
they had warrants out for people who did

2167
01:38:36,480 --> 01:38:38,960
not pay their tickets and so you got

2168
01:38:38,960 --> 01:38:39,920
brought into court,

2169
01:38:39,920 --> 01:38:43,280
>> but I don't think that

2170
01:38:43,280 --> 01:38:45,920
through the sheriff's office

2171
01:38:45,920 --> 01:38:48,400
is is a personal [clears throat]

2172
01:38:48,400 --> 01:38:51,040
or not personal, a private company that

2173
01:38:51,040 --> 01:38:54,400
we would be hiring to do it for us. And

2174
01:38:54,400 --> 01:38:56,560
then yes, right. They did say in the

2175
01:38:56,560 --> 01:38:59,040
collections you had you could go back

2176
01:38:59,040 --> 01:39:01,920
and send them to collections after so

2177
01:39:01,920 --> 01:39:03,760
many days of them not paying it. But

2178
01:39:03,760 --> 01:39:06,159
then bringing them into court, it could

2179
01:39:06,159 --> 01:39:09,920
take them 40 45 60 90 days to get them

2180
01:39:09,920 --> 01:39:12,719
into court,

2181
01:39:12,719 --> 01:39:13,119
>> right?

2182
01:39:13,119 --> 01:39:14,960
>> Or they could just not go.

2183
01:39:14,960 --> 01:39:16,960
>> Yeah. I mean, and also you have to

2184
01:39:16,960 --> 01:39:18,800
personally serve them in order for them

2185
01:39:18,800 --> 01:39:23,679
to be required to go. I mean, if you

2186
01:39:23,679 --> 01:39:28,149
were easy to find that

2187
01:39:28,159 --> 01:39:29,920
» most people that get something in the

2188
01:39:29,920 --> 01:39:31,679
mail, hey,

2189
01:39:31,679 --> 01:39:35,510
>> right?

2190
01:39:35,520 --> 01:39:38,639
» They'll call and say, "What is this?" Or

2191
01:39:38,639 --> 01:39:40,560
they'll do like, "Can I bring this up

2192
01:39:40,560 --> 01:39:43,119
social?" Or they'll do like somebody did

2193
01:39:43,119 --> 01:39:45,600
with one of our no parking here signs

2194
01:39:45,600 --> 01:39:48,239
and just rip it out of the ground.

2195
01:39:48,239 --> 01:39:49,600
>> That is something that's been happening.

2196
01:39:49,600 --> 01:39:52,639
I mean, that's, you know, that is part

2197
01:39:52,639 --> 01:39:54,080
of what I was going to talk about, too,

2198
01:39:54,080 --> 01:39:56,480
was No, it's okay. Like, no, it's great

2199
01:39:56,480 --> 01:39:57,840
that y'all are discussing it because

2200
01:39:57,840 --> 01:39:59,199
it's exactly what I was going to bring

2201
01:39:59,199 --> 01:40:01,440
up. And it's that's why I did want to

2202
01:40:01,440 --> 01:40:02,800
talk about this with you all because it

2203
01:40:02,800 --> 01:40:04,800
is policy considerations for you all to

2204
01:40:04,800 --> 01:40:07,679
consider, right? Um, in terms of whether

2205
01:40:07,679 --> 01:40:11,119
or not to move forward with um a

2206
01:40:11,119 --> 01:40:12,560
regulations at all or to adopt an

2207
01:40:12,560 --> 01:40:14,480
ordinance around this, um, there is

2208
01:40:14,480 --> 01:40:16,400
public skepticism around it. There have

2209
01:40:16,400 --> 01:40:18,960
been reports of folks, you know, like

2210
01:40:18,960 --> 01:40:23,440
ripping technology down. Um, and there

2211
01:40:23,440 --> 01:40:24,880
have been a couple of examples of

2212
01:40:24,880 --> 01:40:28,400
municipalities that have, um, because

2213
01:40:28,400 --> 01:40:30,159
there's so much public skepticism,

2214
01:40:30,159 --> 01:40:31,920
people are watching how municipalities

2215
01:40:31,920 --> 01:40:34,239
do it really closely. And there have

2216
01:40:34,239 --> 01:40:36,320
been a couple instances

2217
01:40:36,320 --> 01:40:37,840
um, can you go back one slide?

2218
01:40:37,840 --> 01:40:39,600
>> Yep.

2219
01:40:39,600 --> 01:40:46,400
in Kersy um and Hudson where they

2220
01:40:46,400 --> 01:40:49,199
have like voided more than a million

2221
01:40:49,199 --> 01:40:51,119
dollars worth of tickets um because they

2222
01:40:51,119 --> 01:40:53,600
didn't have a sufficient warning period

2223
01:40:53,600 --> 01:40:56,719
for the Avis camera. Um so like a really

2224
01:40:56,719 --> 01:41:00,239
simple implementation issue can just

2225
01:41:00,239 --> 01:41:02,000
void every ticket that's ever been

2226
01:41:02,000 --> 01:41:07,040
issued, right? Um somehow I mean Kirsty

2227
01:41:07,040 --> 01:41:09,840
they were issuing $40 speeding tickets

2228
01:41:09,840 --> 01:41:14,159
even though their max is $40. So they

2229
01:41:14,159 --> 01:41:16,639
had to refund all of that. Um

2230
01:41:16,639 --> 01:41:18,480
>> that doesn't sound like a good program

2231
01:41:18,480 --> 01:41:20,239
like to the people.

2232
01:41:20,239 --> 01:41:22,880
>> Yes. So they basically have like both of

2233
01:41:22,880 --> 01:41:25,280
these have uh on their website like a

2234
01:41:25,280 --> 01:41:28,960
place where you can go and uh request a

2235
01:41:28,960 --> 01:41:31,199
refund.

2236
01:41:31,199 --> 01:41:32,320
Yeah,

2237
01:41:32,320 --> 01:41:34,239
>> because

2238
01:41:34,239 --> 01:41:36,480
>> on both ends of 49 when the skirmers

2239
01:41:36,480 --> 01:41:40,159
are, if you're not like shutting down,

2240
01:41:40,159 --> 01:41:41,760
>> you're you're running into the guy up

2241
01:41:41,760 --> 01:41:44,320
front because everybody's everybody's

2242
01:41:44,320 --> 01:41:45,520
been thrilled.

2243
01:41:45,520 --> 01:41:46,000
>> Yeah.

2244
01:41:46,000 --> 01:41:47,920
>> And they're like,

2245
01:41:47,920 --> 01:41:50,239
they're not dealing with them.

2246
01:41:50,239 --> 01:41:51,280
>> Yeah.

2247
01:41:51,280 --> 01:41:54,000
and a lot of those

2248
01:41:54,000 --> 01:41:56,000
um and now I gota think of

2249
01:41:56,000 --> 01:41:58,239
>> so if it if it gets

2250
01:41:58,239 --> 01:42:00,080
>> if there's a restaurant company to add

2251
01:42:00,080 --> 01:42:02,560
over $400,000

2252
01:42:02,560 --> 01:42:03,040
of

2253
01:42:03,040 --> 01:42:04,960
>> what happens if someone does strip them

2254
01:42:04,960 --> 01:42:08,320
down are is the town of KY responsible

2255
01:42:08,320 --> 01:42:10,480
is it go through the depends on which

2256
01:42:10,480 --> 01:42:12,239
contract or what

2257
01:42:12,239 --> 01:42:13,520
>> exactly I think that's something we

2258
01:42:13,520 --> 01:42:15,360
would look really closely at with the

2259
01:42:15,360 --> 01:42:17,119
contracts and that's something that I

2260
01:42:17,119 --> 01:42:19,600
would want to look at right um a couple

2261
01:42:19,600 --> 01:42:21,280
of things. One, I'd want to figure out

2262
01:42:21,280 --> 01:42:23,360
what's the warranty on these cameras.

2263
01:42:23,360 --> 01:42:26,320
What um would the contractor be

2264
01:42:26,320 --> 01:42:28,400
responsible for versus us? We would want

2265
01:42:28,400 --> 01:42:29,199
>> We're [clears throat] renting them.

2266
01:42:29,199 --> 01:42:29,679
We're not

2267
01:42:29,679 --> 01:42:32,320
>> Exactly. We would want we would want we

2268
01:42:32,320 --> 01:42:33,600
would want to have good warranty

2269
01:42:33,600 --> 01:42:35,920
provisions in there

2270
01:42:35,920 --> 01:42:38,880
and liability.

2271
01:42:38,880 --> 01:42:39,199
>> Yeah.

2272
01:42:39,199 --> 01:42:41,440
>> And then um on the other hand, the

2273
01:42:41,440 --> 01:42:45,119
people ripping them down um hopefully we

2274
01:42:45,119 --> 01:42:48,880
could get them cited for

2275
01:42:48,880 --> 01:42:51,600
That would be criminal,

2276
01:42:51,600 --> 01:42:55,830
>> right?

2277
01:42:55,840 --> 01:42:59,430
» Yeah.

2278
01:42:59,440 --> 01:43:00,239
» Yes. Yeah.

2279
01:43:00,239 --> 01:43:01,961
>> Yeah. So, they risk that too

2280
01:43:01,961 --> 01:43:04,400
[clears throat] and being seen online.

2281
01:43:04,400 --> 01:43:06,880
And I don't think I don't think anybody

2282
01:43:06,880 --> 01:43:09,821
would want take that back.

2283
01:43:09,821 --> 01:43:09,840
[clears throat]

2284
01:43:09,840 --> 01:43:11,360
>> Why can't we just have some sheriffs

2285
01:43:11,360 --> 01:43:17,590
that do their jobs on 86?

2286
01:43:17,600 --> 01:43:18,880
» Yeah.

2287
01:43:18,880 --> 01:43:21,440
department will not work. They won't

2288
01:43:21,440 --> 01:43:23,040
>> they'll park they'll park three if the

2289
01:43:23,040 --> 01:43:24,480
school zone at all.

2290
01:43:24,480 --> 01:43:27,760
>> They'll park together school zone hills.

2291
01:43:27,760 --> 01:43:31,600
They'll park next to Elizabeth PD but

2292
01:43:31,600 --> 01:43:34,159
they will not work. They do not care for

2293
01:43:34,159 --> 01:43:36,400
driving kids.

2294
01:43:36,400 --> 01:43:39,679
>> I've only seen one officer sitting up

2295
01:43:39,679 --> 01:43:42,239
here during school.

2296
01:43:42,239 --> 01:43:45,040
>> So what do

2297
01:43:45,040 --> 01:43:47,760
we do about that? I don't know. I think

2298
01:43:47,760 --> 01:43:50,400
have another chat with our sheriff.

2299
01:43:50,400 --> 01:43:52,000
>> There's no one there's no one running

2300
01:43:52,000 --> 01:43:54,159
against North. I mean, how do we fix

2301
01:43:54,159 --> 01:43:56,320
this problem?

2302
01:43:56,320 --> 01:43:58,239
>> People involved like we're trying to do

2303
01:43:58,239 --> 01:43:59,920
here, getting people involved in our

2304
01:43:59,920 --> 01:44:02,080
town council to help us out, you know,

2305
01:44:02,080 --> 01:44:05,040
there's only a few of us and um you

2306
01:44:05,040 --> 01:44:07,840
know, and Trevor's turned out so we need

2307
01:44:07,840 --> 01:44:09,600
people to help us, people with open

2308
01:44:09,600 --> 01:44:11,119
minds and people to come in.

2309
01:44:11,119 --> 01:44:12,880
>> Okay. Well, we got the say we have the

2310
01:44:12,880 --> 01:44:15,040
people. What's the process to make it

2311
01:44:15,040 --> 01:44:19,199
work? Here's the things that we can't do

2312
01:44:19,199 --> 01:44:21,600
and this will be the challenge. We need

2313
01:44:21,600 --> 01:44:24,719
to have open conversation with the

2314
01:44:24,719 --> 01:44:27,920
school staff leadership with students.

2315
01:44:27,920 --> 01:44:30,400
We need to have that with them, the

2316
01:44:30,400 --> 01:44:33,007
sheriff's department, the patrol captain

2317
01:44:33,007 --> 01:44:35,920
[clears throat] and and start there as

2318
01:44:35,920 --> 01:44:40,159
us here that see this. I don't know how

2319
01:44:40,159 --> 01:44:42,480
many times my wife called Douglas County

2320
01:44:42,480 --> 01:44:46,320
dispatch, but she had it on speed.

2321
01:44:46,320 --> 01:44:48,400
That happened over here on the corner

2322
01:44:48,400 --> 01:44:50,400
when the piss fight broke out on the

2323
01:44:50,400 --> 01:44:53,760
corner. I mean, the the horse crap that

2324
01:44:53,760 --> 01:44:56,320
goes home.

2325
01:44:56,320 --> 01:44:59,440
And so there's all those that are on the

2326
01:44:59,440 --> 01:45:01,760
dispatch. They're all reported. All

2327
01:45:01,760 --> 01:45:04,800
those calls are recorded and noted.

2328
01:45:04,800 --> 01:45:08,560
I mean, at the end of the day, whatever

2329
01:45:08,560 --> 01:45:12,560
we've paid the sheriff's department,

2330
01:45:12,560 --> 01:45:14,400
we're not getting

2331
01:45:14,400 --> 01:45:15,040
>> anything.

2332
01:45:15,040 --> 01:45:16,800
>> We're not getting the support,

2333
01:45:16,800 --> 01:45:19,119
>> right? I agree with you. I really do.

2334
01:45:19,119 --> 01:45:20,960
Um, and and that was my point. We need

2335
01:45:20,960 --> 01:45:23,199
to have this sit down with the sheriff's

2336
01:45:23,199 --> 01:45:25,920
office and uh visit with them and say,

2337
01:45:25,920 --> 01:45:29,600
"Hey, look, this is our IG and we would

2338
01:45:29,600 --> 01:45:31,360
really like to have you help us enforce

2339
01:45:31,360 --> 01:45:33,040
it better."

2340
01:45:33,040 --> 01:45:35,840
Well, and if they want, that's where you

2341
01:45:35,840 --> 01:45:36,639
get it.

2342
01:45:36,639 --> 01:45:37,840
>> Yeah.

2343
01:45:37,840 --> 01:45:38,480
>> Right.

2344
01:45:38,480 --> 01:45:41,280
>> And I like the stuff

2345
01:45:41,280 --> 01:45:44,320
up next to the tennis courts cuz I don't

2346
01:45:44,320 --> 01:45:46,639
know if you could write

2347
01:45:46,639 --> 01:45:49,679
service tickets or not, but they can

2348
01:45:49,679 --> 01:45:51,199
have 30 a day.

2349
01:45:51,199 --> 01:45:55,280
>> Well, I think if they get one or two,

2350
01:45:55,280 --> 01:45:57,360
they will

2351
01:45:57,360 --> 01:45:59,280
take a better look at their road

2352
01:45:59,280 --> 01:46:00,960
deputies.

2353
01:46:00,960 --> 01:46:04,080
But I'm sourced.

2354
01:46:04,080 --> 01:46:05,280
>> No, it's true.

2355
01:46:05,280 --> 01:46:06,080
>> That's not true.

2356
01:46:06,080 --> 01:46:07,760
>> Well, you're right, Trevor. I think a

2357
01:46:07,760 --> 01:46:09,760
lot of people here in town view it the

2358
01:46:09,760 --> 01:46:12,960
same way because it's it's hard to get

2359
01:46:12,960 --> 01:46:16,159
them to to

2360
01:46:16,159 --> 01:46:18,800
help us in that regard. And I don't

2361
01:46:18,800 --> 01:46:19,679
think it's just the sheriff's

2362
01:46:19,679 --> 01:46:21,600
department's

2363
01:46:21,600 --> 01:46:23,840
in general.

2364
01:46:23,840 --> 01:46:26,960
>> Is that is that why the sheriff's up?

2365
01:46:26,960 --> 01:46:28,400
>> I don't know what I don't know what

2366
01:46:28,400 --> 01:46:30,400
their deal is. So, would like to have a

2367
01:46:30,400 --> 01:46:32,159
sit down with them

2368
01:46:32,159 --> 01:46:36,320
>> with the u whatever the commissioners

2369
01:46:36,320 --> 01:46:37,760
>> the commissioners. Yeah, we're supposed

2370
01:46:37,760 --> 01:46:40,080
to be having a meeting with them and for

2371
01:46:40,080 --> 01:46:42,480
some reason we haven't in quite a while.

2372
01:46:42,480 --> 01:46:44,159
So I'd like to get back on track with

2373
01:46:44,159 --> 01:46:46,000
having meetings with the commissioners.

2374
01:46:46,000 --> 01:46:50,000
Um so anyway, maybe that's the problem.

2375
01:46:50,000 --> 01:46:51,440
>> Yeah, I think we all need to get

2376
01:46:51,440 --> 01:46:54,239
together. All of us higher

2377
01:46:54,239 --> 01:46:56,400
leaders of our town and community need

2378
01:46:56,400 --> 01:46:59,679
to get in there. Here's where I do think

2379
01:46:59,679 --> 01:47:01,920
and and is

2380
01:47:01,920 --> 01:47:04,880
I think I don't know how those IGAS are

2381
01:47:04,880 --> 01:47:08,000
written. You know, obviously it's

2382
01:47:08,000 --> 01:47:13,280
um if if it's a year to year um I guess

2383
01:47:13,280 --> 01:47:13,840
give us

2384
01:47:13,840 --> 01:47:16,320
>> for the vendor base. Okay.

2385
01:47:16,320 --> 01:47:20,639
>> Um and really from that standpoint

2386
01:47:20,639 --> 01:47:22,880
I think from a board and I'm not looking

2387
01:47:22,880 --> 01:47:25,280
at I'm looking at the the next people

2388
01:47:25,280 --> 01:47:27,040
that have to sit in the seat. I don't

2389
01:47:27,040 --> 01:47:29,920
want to necessarily pigeon hole it to

2390
01:47:29,920 --> 01:47:31,679
something that maybe turns out to be a

2391
01:47:31,679 --> 01:47:34,159
bad deal. But if it's let's say year to

2392
01:47:34,159 --> 01:47:37,600
year contract and you go in year one I

2393
01:47:37,600 --> 01:47:40,800
don't know we'll say the one up here

2394
01:47:40,800 --> 01:47:42,960
does average of

2395
01:47:42,960 --> 01:47:46,480
10 a day maybe it's just a day I don't

2396
01:47:46,480 --> 01:47:48,320
know and then all of a sudden you get

2397
01:47:48,320 --> 01:47:52,400
down the road you're a day instead of 50

2398
01:47:52,400 --> 01:47:57,270
does validate that

2399
01:47:57,280 --> 01:47:58,800
the advantage the advantage of the

2400
01:47:58,800 --> 01:48:02,159
camera is honestly

2401
01:48:02,159 --> 01:48:03,919
advantage of the camera is

2402
01:48:03,919 --> 01:48:06,960
[clears throat] is it's walking 247. I

2403
01:48:06,960 --> 01:48:11,840
mean we we cannot put somebody here 247

2404
01:48:11,840 --> 01:48:15,520
but it does and I think it at the end of

2405
01:48:15,520 --> 01:48:19,840
the day it keeps it keeps the honest man

2406
01:48:19,840 --> 01:48:22,080
but you know it's good enough to keep

2407
01:48:22,080 --> 01:48:25,119
the honest man in check. I mean the ones

2408
01:48:25,119 --> 01:48:27,280
that want to cheat and go rogue on the

2409
01:48:27,280 --> 01:48:28,960
system they're going to do it

2410
01:48:28,960 --> 01:48:33,040
regardless. But but I do think that does

2411
01:48:33,040 --> 01:48:36,560
um it does

2412
01:48:36,560 --> 01:48:37,119
>> people.

2413
01:48:37,119 --> 01:48:39,440
>> What's that?

2414
01:48:39,440 --> 01:48:41,920
>> That's a big thing. It creates habits.

2415
01:48:41,920 --> 01:48:43,600
Take you down Cy Road. I can tell you

2416
01:48:43,600 --> 01:48:46,239
where it really it has changed both ends

2417
01:48:46,239 --> 01:48:49,280
of that road significantly because of

2418
01:48:49,280 --> 01:48:52,000
those cameras and they all end up on 90

2419
01:48:52,000 --> 01:48:54,560
and everybody that they had them and all

2420
01:48:54,560 --> 01:48:57,600
this stuff. But it seriously and I can

2421
01:48:57,600 --> 01:49:01,440
remember the Rabout company that um my

2422
01:49:01,440 --> 01:49:04,960
wife's cousin he he's a land man but

2423
01:49:04,960 --> 01:49:08,000
really but the one company cuz the

2424
01:49:08,000 --> 01:49:11,040
tickets all of the vehicles to register

2425
01:49:11,040 --> 01:49:13,440
they had like 400,000

2426
01:49:13,440 --> 01:49:16,960
tickets in in a cycle. I mean, it was it

2427
01:49:16,960 --> 01:49:21,679
was insane. And you think about it, all

2428
01:49:21,679 --> 01:49:23,440
10,000 tickets.

2429
01:49:23,440 --> 01:49:26,480
>> How high are the cameras on the are they

2430
01:49:26,480 --> 01:49:30,159
on pools or how high are they

2431
01:49:30,159 --> 01:49:37,189
about?

2432
01:49:37,199 --> 01:49:39,040
Thank you so much. The ones in Casser

2433
01:49:39,040 --> 01:49:42,170
are probably 10 10 ft up because

2434
01:49:42,170 --> 01:49:43,440
[clears throat] there's one right by my

2435
01:49:43,440 --> 01:49:45,199
daughter's town.

2436
01:49:45,199 --> 01:49:47,040
>> So they're kind of like the signs they

2437
01:49:47,040 --> 01:49:48,719
um give me.

2438
01:49:48,719 --> 01:49:54,800
>> Yeah, there's there's a sign. No, it's a camera on posted on it. But

2439
01:49:54,800 --> 01:49:58,480
there's a sign about this.

2440
01:49:58,480 --> 01:50:00,080
>> This looks like one of those old

2441
01:50:00,080 --> 01:50:02,320
viewfinders that

2442
01:50:02,320 --> 01:50:04,880
>> was on

2443
01:50:04,880 --> 01:50:09,199
like that. And then and under under is

2444
01:50:09,199 --> 01:50:11,280
camera radar something.

2445
01:50:11,280 --> 01:50:13,440
>> Yeah, it looks like it's typically at

2446
01:50:13,440 --> 01:50:15,679
least 15 ft high

2447
01:50:15,679 --> 01:50:17,920
>> in order to be high enough to capture

2448
01:50:17,920 --> 01:50:20,080
all the vehicle data.

2449
01:50:20,080 --> 01:50:22,719
>> I think hers it's right on the corner

2450
01:50:22,719 --> 01:50:25,600
when we turn go into her place off of

2451
01:50:25,600 --> 01:50:27,040
valley and it's right

2452
01:50:27,040 --> 01:50:35,590
>> there.

2453
01:50:35,600 --> 01:50:37,040
Okay.

2454
01:50:37,040 --> 01:50:39,280
Y

2455
01:50:39,280 --> 01:50:43,840
>> just catches all the southbound traffic.

2456
01:50:43,840 --> 01:50:45,679
>> Yeah. All those trucks. So they fly down

2457
01:50:45,679 --> 01:50:49,990
that road.

2458
01:50:50,000 --> 01:50:51,920
» Yeah. [clears throat] Yeah. And I I I

2459
01:50:51,920 --> 01:50:53,199
really appreciate discussion around

2460
01:50:53,199 --> 01:50:55,040
this. I really did want to hear your

2461
01:50:55,040 --> 01:50:57,920
different opinions on it. Um, and

2462
01:50:57,920 --> 01:50:59,600
ultimately

2463
01:50:59,600 --> 01:51:01,280
at this point, you know, there I think

2464
01:51:01,280 --> 01:51:03,840
there are just kind of some broader uh

2465
01:51:03,840 --> 01:51:06,560
questions for you all to consider and

2466
01:51:06,560 --> 01:51:10,080
ask. And I think one of those is um the

2467
01:51:10,080 --> 01:51:13,520
locations. So a school zone, just

2468
01:51:13,520 --> 01:51:14,880
putting it in a school zone would not

2469
01:51:14,880 --> 01:51:21,280
require any study. Um and so that is a

2470
01:51:21,280 --> 01:51:24,080
path forward that doesn't involve as

2471
01:51:24,080 --> 01:51:26,960
much quantitative data collection. Um

2472
01:51:26,960 --> 01:51:28,639
because ultimately if you are going to

2473
01:51:28,639 --> 01:51:31,040
create any corridors, so any areas that

2474
01:51:31,040 --> 01:51:32,880
don't fall into those categories of a

2475
01:51:32,880 --> 01:51:35,199
school zone, um a construction zone,

2476
01:51:35,199 --> 01:51:36,960
things like that, then you will need to

2477
01:51:36,960 --> 01:51:39,280
back it up with um data.

2478
01:51:39,280 --> 01:51:42,800
>> Is that the same as like a safety zone?

2479
01:51:42,800 --> 01:51:50,229
And so

2480
01:51:50,239 --> 01:51:53,360
» it's still a school,

2481
01:51:53,360 --> 01:51:57,280
but I mean right

2482
01:51:57,280 --> 01:51:59,040
>> right there from there in considered

2483
01:51:59,040 --> 01:52:01,840
that safety zone

2484
01:52:01,840 --> 01:52:03,920
doubled and it was

2485
01:52:03,920 --> 01:52:06,480
>> all an attempt to try to

2486
01:52:06,480 --> 01:52:10,400
>> get people to slow down the toilet.

2487
01:52:10,400 --> 01:52:12,159
>> High school. I got down there was the

2488
01:52:12,159 --> 01:52:13,840
guy that left the little bridges with

2489
01:52:13,840 --> 01:52:17,040
the trailer from the trailer and got

2490
01:52:17,040 --> 01:52:18,560
pulled over before he got to the stop

2491
01:52:18,560 --> 01:52:21,520
sign. He was speeding in the safety

2492
01:52:21,520 --> 01:52:24,560
zone. I'm like, how do you know

2493
01:52:24,560 --> 01:52:27,440
when did you get pulled over?

2494
01:52:27,440 --> 01:52:29,119
>> Safety

2495
01:52:29,119 --> 01:52:31,520
says work zone. So I think that would be

2496
01:52:31,520 --> 01:52:33,599
related to construction.

2497
01:52:33,599 --> 01:52:36,239
Um then school zones, residential

2498
01:52:36,239 --> 01:52:38,480
neighborhoods, streets bordering

2499
01:52:38,480 --> 01:52:40,239
municipal park and then the designated

2500
01:52:40,239 --> 01:52:43,119
corridors based on studies. So I think

2501
01:52:43,119 --> 01:52:44,800
and that's something that we would need

2502
01:52:44,800 --> 01:52:49,119
to know when drafting an ordinance. We

2503
01:52:49,119 --> 01:52:50,719
would need to have if we were to create

2504
01:52:50,719 --> 01:52:53,520
designated orders, we would need that um

2505
01:52:53,520 --> 01:52:56,719
data before drafting the ordinance. And

2506
01:52:56,719 --> 01:53:00,480
so, um, yeah, so I just wanted to kind

2507
01:53:00,480 --> 01:53:04,239
of pose these to you to to keep these in

2508
01:53:04,239 --> 01:53:06,960
mind when considering this. And, um, you

2509
01:53:06,960 --> 01:53:09,520
can go to the next slide. But overall,

2510
01:53:09,520 --> 01:53:11,040
what the process would look like would

2511
01:53:11,040 --> 01:53:14,400
be conducting and expanding more traffic

2512
01:53:14,400 --> 01:53:16,639
studies if we want to do designated

2513
01:53:16,639 --> 01:53:18,159
corridors.

2514
01:53:18,159 --> 01:53:20,560
um and then developing the AIS program

2515
01:53:20,560 --> 01:53:24,159
that conforms with law then and adapting

2516
01:53:24,159 --> 01:53:26,400
that AIS program through ordinance. And

2517
01:53:26,400 --> 01:53:27,920
then we would issue a request for

2518
01:53:27,920 --> 01:53:30,880
proposals to get to to see what vendors

2519
01:53:30,880 --> 01:53:33,360
are out there and what pricing schemes

2520
01:53:33,360 --> 01:53:38,550
they um you know schemes but

2521
01:53:38,560 --> 01:53:41,440
uh but yeah the

2522
01:53:41,440 --> 01:53:44,159
how they how they formulate their

2523
01:53:44,159 --> 01:53:47,440
pricing. Um and then we would you know

2524
01:53:47,440 --> 01:53:49,520
implement the program but again that all

2525
01:53:49,520 --> 01:53:52,320
takes a lot of different steps and work

2526
01:53:52,320 --> 01:53:55,040
because when implementing we'll need to

2527
01:53:55,040 --> 01:53:57,280
we would need to create signs. We would

2528
01:53:57,280 --> 01:53:59,280
need to post on social media. We would

2529
01:53:59,280 --> 01:54:01,840
need to do a lot of different things

2530
01:54:01,840 --> 01:54:04,639
step by step in order to ensure that any

2531
01:54:04,639 --> 01:54:06,400
citations that were issued weren't in

2532
01:54:06,400 --> 01:54:08,880
contested

2533
01:54:08,880 --> 01:54:11,199
>> and if they were then they it's been

2534
01:54:11,199 --> 01:54:11,760
posted.

2535
01:54:11,760 --> 01:54:13,199
>> Yeah.

2536
01:54:13,199 --> 01:54:15,040
And so I think all that is to say

2537
01:54:15,040 --> 01:54:16,800
I wanted to make sure you all understood

2538
01:54:16,800 --> 01:54:18,239
that there might not be like an

2539
01:54:18,239 --> 01:54:19,920
ordinance

2540
01:54:19,920 --> 01:54:22,480
for you next month for your next meeting

2541
01:54:22,480 --> 01:54:24,159
because I think that there are important

2542
01:54:24,159 --> 01:54:25,760
considerations to make and we don't want

2543
01:54:25,760 --> 01:54:27,199
to rush any of this.

2544
01:54:27,199 --> 01:54:29,760
>> I hear when it says

2545
01:54:29,760 --> 01:54:31,360
re

2546
01:54:31,360 --> 01:54:34,320
refunded 586 is that for a year or

2547
01:54:34,320 --> 01:54:38,870
what's the time frame on that?

2548
01:54:38,880 --> 01:54:40,480
Yeah.

2549
01:54:40,480 --> 01:54:44,400
>> 586 and then had to reach everyund

2550
01:54:44,400 --> 01:54:46,719
millions almost two million.

2551
01:54:46,719 --> 01:54:49,840
>> Yeah. But in what period of time?

2552
01:54:49,840 --> 01:54:53,189
>> Let's see.

2553
01:54:53,199 --> 01:54:56,639
» So they voted in January 2026 for the

2554
01:54:56,639 --> 01:54:58,320
refund

2555
01:54:58,320 --> 01:55:01,440
for ticket issued prior to mid November

2556
01:55:01,440 --> 01:55:03,440
2025.

2557
01:55:03,440 --> 01:55:07,270
Um so let me see.

2558
01:55:07,280 --> 01:55:08,719
that was because they didn't have

2559
01:55:08,719 --> 01:55:11,760
sufficient notification. So they were

2560
01:55:11,760 --> 01:55:15,920
issuing citations for the wrong amounts.

2561
01:55:15,920 --> 01:55:18,320
Um, one other thing to note from the

2562
01:55:18,320 --> 01:55:21,280
article I found was that

2563
01:55:21,280 --> 01:55:24,800
um the

2564
01:55:24,800 --> 01:55:26,480
reporter had filed a complaint with the

2565
01:55:26,480 --> 01:55:30,560
attorney general's office um about the

2566
01:55:30,560 --> 01:55:33,199
vendor that Kirsty was working with

2567
01:55:33,199 --> 01:55:36,480
because um it disguised its hourly

2568
01:55:36,480 --> 01:55:39,840
billing to uh process and mail out

2569
01:55:39,840 --> 01:55:42,080
citations. like basically it tied its

2570
01:55:42,080 --> 01:55:45,280
billing to numbers of centations.

2571
01:55:45,280 --> 01:55:47,040
So anyways, it's always under deep

2572
01:55:47,040 --> 01:55:49,520
scrutiny and then I would just say I'm

2573
01:55:49,520 --> 01:55:51,360
trying to figure out what amount of time

2574
01:55:51,360 --> 01:55:52,880
those

2575
01:55:52,880 --> 01:55:56,000
were issued for. It looks like maybe a

2576
01:55:56,000 --> 01:56:01,750
month.

2577
01:56:01,760 --> 01:56:06,149
I'd have to look into that.

2578
01:56:06,159 --> 01:56:08,320
I know it's a lot of money and and you

2579
01:56:08,320 --> 01:56:11,520
know the thought of us gaining income

2580
01:56:11,520 --> 01:56:15,520
here to help the town is great, but on

2581
01:56:15,520 --> 01:56:17,119
the other hand, what's not?

2582
01:56:17,119 --> 01:56:19,360
>> And then we have to have a judge also

2583
01:56:19,360 --> 01:56:23,910
pay a judge.

2584
01:56:23,920 --> 01:56:26,080
» So that already

2585
01:56:26,080 --> 01:56:28,080
is a zero. We don't have to pay them

2586
01:56:28,080 --> 01:56:28,719
extra.

2587
01:56:28,719 --> 01:56:30,000
>> Correct.

2588
01:56:30,000 --> 01:56:32,800
>> Yeah.

2589
01:56:32,800 --> 01:56:34,400
>> So, sorry for Kirsty. I don't know the

2590
01:56:34,400 --> 01:56:35,679
exact amount of time, but I do know that

2591
01:56:35,679 --> 01:56:38,239
it was about 1,700 tickets that were

2592
01:56:38,239 --> 01:56:40,880
issued incorrectly.

2593
01:56:40,880 --> 01:56:42,719
We don't want to go with that.

2594
01:56:42,719 --> 01:56:46,790
>> No,

2595
01:56:46,800 --> 01:56:49,760
» because they issued the wrong line.

2596
01:56:49,760 --> 01:56:53,760
I don't know if it was 340 instead of

2597
01:56:53,760 --> 01:57:06,470
literally just incip.

2598
01:57:06,480 --> 01:57:08,159
that's eventually why they did, you

2599
01:57:08,159 --> 01:57:10,880
know, vote to refund them. Um, so yeah,

2600
01:57:10,880 --> 01:57:12,400
I mean, thank you for listening to me on

2601
01:57:12,400 --> 01:57:15,679
this. I'm always available over email to

2602
01:57:15,679 --> 01:57:17,440
answer more questions on it. I just kind

2603
01:57:17,440 --> 01:57:18,800
of wanted to give you more of an update

2604
01:57:18,800 --> 01:57:21,360
from from the attorney's point of view

2605
01:57:21,360 --> 01:57:23,679
rather than maybe DACA or you know,

2606
01:57:23,679 --> 01:57:26,159
vendor's point of view, right? Um, so

2607
01:57:26,159 --> 01:57:26,880
yeah,

2608
01:57:26,880 --> 01:57:29,119
>> thank you.

2609
01:57:29,119 --> 01:57:31,280
>> Okay, we'll move on to the cons consent

2610
01:57:31,280 --> 01:57:37,350
items. Do we have a vote?

2611
01:57:37,360 --> 01:57:40,800
» Although I can speak to that

2612
01:57:40,800 --> 01:57:44,639
public hearing ordinance number 26-38 an

2613
01:57:44,639 --> 01:57:47,040
ordinance of the town of Kyo, Colorado

2614
01:57:47,040 --> 01:57:49,599
repealing and replacing the town chapter

2615
01:57:49,599 --> 01:57:52,719
16 zoning code and zoning ordinances

2616
01:57:52,719 --> 01:57:56,000
adopting a new zoning code and providing

2617
01:57:56,000 --> 01:57:58,400
for publication and codification of the

2618
01:57:58,400 --> 01:58:00,000
new zoning code.

2619
01:58:00,000 --> 01:58:02,320
>> Okay. Yeah. Of course, you know that we

2620
01:58:02,320 --> 01:58:04,800
repeal the zoning code.

2621
01:58:04,800 --> 01:58:05,840
>> Sorry, I was just trying to open the

2622
01:58:05,840 --> 01:58:10,709
public hearing time.

2623
01:58:10,719 --> 01:58:13,119
» So excited. [clears throat]

2624
01:58:13,119 --> 01:58:14,800
>> Okay. Is there any

2625
01:58:14,800 --> 01:58:16,480
>> So, we'll just open the public hearing

2626
01:58:16,480 --> 01:58:18,480
and say

2627
01:58:18,480 --> 01:58:20,320
>> Okay, we'll open for public hearing at

2628
01:58:20,320 --> 01:58:25,030
9:01 p.m.

2629
01:58:25,040 --> 01:58:28,800
» Okay. Now, okay. So, as you know, we we

2630
01:58:28,800 --> 01:58:30,960
had gone through the process of the zona

2631
01:58:30,960 --> 01:58:32,480
code and then we found out that it was

2632
01:58:32,480 --> 01:58:35,119
all messed up. So, we repealed that and

2633
01:58:35,119 --> 01:58:37,520
went back and now planned has gone back

2634
01:58:37,520 --> 01:58:41,360
and reworked through it with Josh. Um,

2635
01:58:41,360 --> 01:58:44,880
and you can you can thank Josh for going

2636
01:58:44,880 --> 01:58:48,719
through and making it look all pretty.

2637
01:58:48,719 --> 01:58:53,360
He worked a lot to go back and fix it.

2638
01:58:53,360 --> 01:58:55,760
Um, and so it all falls under the right

2639
01:58:55,760 --> 01:58:57,520
categories and it all falls under the

2640
01:58:57,520 --> 01:59:01,679
right spots. Um, so they went through it

2641
01:59:01,679 --> 01:59:04,639
and they um

2642
01:59:04,639 --> 01:59:07,679
voted whatever approved to send it to

2643
01:59:07,679 --> 01:59:11,520
you guys tonight for approval.

2644
01:59:11,520 --> 01:59:13,280
Um,

2645
01:59:13,280 --> 01:59:15,840
it's it's in much better shape than it

2646
01:59:15,840 --> 01:59:19,520
was. It's actually pretty

2647
01:59:19,520 --> 01:59:23,910
readable now. It's organized.

2648
01:59:23,920 --> 01:59:26,960
So, their recommendation is that you

2649
01:59:26,960 --> 01:59:30,800
vote to approve this so we can get it um

2650
01:59:30,800 --> 01:59:36,000
published and loaded into Unicode.

2651
01:59:36,000 --> 01:59:37,679
>> So,

2652
01:59:37,679 --> 01:59:39,520
updated.

2653
01:59:39,520 --> 01:59:40,560
>> Okay.

2654
01:59:40,560 --> 01:59:43,040
>> Are we are we going to go through all of

2655
01:59:43,040 --> 01:59:45,360
this tonight? I don't know how much

2656
01:59:45,360 --> 01:59:47,599
longer I can stay.

2657
01:59:47,599 --> 01:59:50,080
Are we able to

2658
01:59:50,080 --> 01:59:51,840
>> There wasn't a lot of time.

2659
01:59:51,840 --> 01:59:53,040
>> No. Okay. Do you

2660
01:59:53,040 --> 01:59:54,960
>> And it's 110 pages.

2661
01:59:54,960 --> 01:59:57,119
>> It is. So then the question would be is

2662
01:59:57,119 --> 02:00:00,719
if you want to table that until the next

2663
02:00:00,719 --> 02:00:02,960
>> thing is like

2664
02:00:02,960 --> 02:00:06,880
usually we'll get red lines and this was

2665
02:00:06,880 --> 02:00:09,040
changed and stuff. So it was hard to

2666
02:00:09,040 --> 02:00:12,080
tell what got changed. [clears throat]

2667
02:00:12,080 --> 02:00:14,320
>> I thought we got the Didn't we get that

2668
02:00:14,320 --> 02:00:16,719
a couple months ago? The red line

2669
02:00:16,719 --> 02:00:18,480
probably.

2670
02:00:18,480 --> 02:00:21,599
>> But I didn't

2671
02:00:21,599 --> 02:00:23,280
I get what you're saying because when we

2672
02:00:23,280 --> 02:00:26,159
got it, I've slept like maybe three

2673
02:00:26,159 --> 02:00:27,280
times since

2674
02:00:27,280 --> 02:00:31,270
>> I got it today.

2675
02:00:31,280 --> 02:00:36,390
» I will

2676
02:00:36,400 --> 02:00:41,589
make sure that we open up.

2677
02:00:41,599 --> 02:00:44,159
» Is there anyone on there anybody online

2678
02:00:44,159 --> 02:00:45,760
that has public comment on the

2679
02:00:45,760 --> 02:00:57,750
ordinance?

2680
02:00:57,760 --> 02:01:01,199
specific public comment.

2681
02:01:01,199 --> 02:01:03,360
So you opened it for public hearing.

2682
02:01:03,360 --> 02:01:04,080
>> Yeah.

2683
02:01:04,080 --> 02:01:08,320
>> Okay. So there we go. So do we want to

2684
02:01:08,320 --> 02:01:11,679
table this then until the next meeting?

2685
02:01:11,679 --> 02:01:15,920
We've if let's say if I was gonna say if

2686
02:01:15,920 --> 02:01:17,920
also because of course planning will be

2687
02:01:17,920 --> 02:01:20,800
meeting next week next week.

2688
02:01:20,800 --> 02:01:24,159
>> So if you have specific things you want

2689
02:01:24,159 --> 02:01:25,119
to

2690
02:01:25,119 --> 02:01:26,719
>> what what day do they meet again?

2691
02:01:26,719 --> 02:01:28,320
>> Next Wednesday.

2692
02:01:28,320 --> 02:01:31,599
>> So that gives you a week. Um, so if you

2693
02:01:31,599 --> 02:01:33,360
have things you want to individually

2694
02:01:33,360 --> 02:01:36,560
send to me, I can get them to that board

2695
02:01:36,560 --> 02:01:38,560
or to

2696
02:01:38,560 --> 02:01:40,080
look at.

2697
02:01:40,080 --> 02:01:42,400
>> Can we go to the their meeting and

2698
02:01:42,400 --> 02:01:44,960
discussions

2699
02:01:44,960 --> 02:01:45,679
or not?

2700
02:01:45,679 --> 02:01:49,040
>> No, you we can't have a forum. We can't

2701
02:01:49,040 --> 02:01:52,480
have all of you in this just to discuss

2702
02:01:52,480 --> 02:01:55,679
>> just to tell them or you want us to have

2703
02:01:55,679 --> 02:01:59,280
this done sent to you so that you can

2704
02:01:59,280 --> 02:02:01,840
send it to them before they meet.

2705
02:02:01,840 --> 02:02:05,040
>> We can discuss it at the meeting.

2706
02:02:05,040 --> 02:02:07,199
>> That's fine. I can bring it.

2707
02:02:07,199 --> 02:02:08,880
>> Yes. I can't imagine you're going to

2708
02:02:08,880 --> 02:02:11,599
have thousands. I can

2709
02:02:11,599 --> 02:02:13,520
>> No,

2710
02:02:13,520 --> 02:02:15,440
you said that we cannot go to their

2711
02:02:15,440 --> 02:02:16,480
meeting and

2712
02:02:16,480 --> 02:02:19,360
>> you could. I just can't have all of you.

2713
02:02:19,360 --> 02:02:21,920
>> Well, unless

2714
02:02:21,920 --> 02:02:22,480
it's

2715
02:02:22,480 --> 02:02:27,750
>> if I can have like two of you.

2716
02:02:27,760 --> 02:02:29,760
» I mean, I still don't even in that

2717
02:02:29,760 --> 02:02:33,520
scenario, you would only

2718
02:02:33,520 --> 02:02:34,800
>> they were the ones who were making

2719
02:02:34,800 --> 02:02:38,560
recommendations to about this. So, you

2720
02:02:38,560 --> 02:02:40,000
can't go to their meeting and be like,

2721
02:02:40,000 --> 02:02:41,360
well, I think that you should change

2722
02:02:41,360 --> 02:02:44,719
this about it, change that. you do have

2723
02:02:44,719 --> 02:02:48,400
the um option of clarifying with town

2724
02:02:48,400 --> 02:02:50,000
staff, I don't like this about the

2725
02:02:50,000 --> 02:02:52,880
ordinance. I want these changes and you

2726
02:02:52,880 --> 02:02:55,360
can do that and you can basically you

2727
02:02:55,360 --> 02:02:58,719
can um and so sorry, let me just make

2728
02:02:58,719 --> 02:02:59,040
sure.

2729
02:02:59,040 --> 02:03:00,960
>> Yeah, they're making a recommendation to

2730
02:03:00,960 --> 02:03:02,880
you.

2731
02:03:02,880 --> 02:03:03,280
>> So,

2732
02:03:03,280 --> 02:03:05,199
>> right. And so there's kind of different

2733
02:03:05,199 --> 02:03:08,400
ways that can go. you can pass an

2734
02:03:08,400 --> 02:03:12,080
ordinance um on first reading with

2735
02:03:12,080 --> 02:03:15,119
requested amendments and then once you

2736
02:03:15,119 --> 02:03:16,880
know ensure that all of those amendments

2737
02:03:16,880 --> 02:03:20,480
are incorporated and then give it final

2738
02:03:20,480 --> 02:03:23,199
approval on second reading um or right

2739
02:03:23,199 --> 02:03:26,400
now it's sounding like

2740
02:03:26,400 --> 02:03:28,080
um

2741
02:03:28,080 --> 02:03:30,000
you know it's sounding like you wanted

2742
02:03:30,000 --> 02:03:33,119
to table it you could direct it is

2743
02:03:33,119 --> 02:03:35,040
important that you give staff direction

2744
02:03:35,040 --> 02:03:37,520
on what changes you And it shouldn't be

2745
02:03:37,520 --> 02:03:41,910
through the planning commission.

2746
02:03:41,920 --> 02:03:43,679
» It should be like review ordinance

2747
02:03:43,679 --> 02:03:45,920
saying I want these amendments to this

2748
02:03:45,920 --> 02:03:46,560
ordinance.

2749
02:03:46,560 --> 02:03:47,920
>> So you send those to

2750
02:03:47,920 --> 02:03:50,480
>> it's not a lot of like amendments. It's

2751
02:03:50,480 --> 02:03:51,280
more

2752
02:03:51,280 --> 02:03:54,719
>> clarification 100%. Yeah.

2753
02:03:54,719 --> 02:03:55,119
>> Okay.

2754
02:03:55,119 --> 02:03:58,239
>> And like there's some titles.

2755
02:03:58,239 --> 02:04:00,960
>> Okay. There are titles. Okay. Typos are

2756
02:04:00,960 --> 02:04:02,400
easy because that's not that's not

2757
02:04:02,400 --> 02:04:05,679
changing the meaning if it's just like

2758
02:04:05,679 --> 02:04:07,840
fixing typos. So that's easy for me to

2759
02:04:07,840 --> 02:04:09,440
fix. Okay.

2760
02:04:09,440 --> 02:04:11,360
>> So I would like to make a motion that we

2761
02:04:11,360 --> 02:04:15,599
table it for next month.

2762
02:04:15,599 --> 02:04:18,800
>> Does that next month's meeting

2763
02:04:18,800 --> 02:04:21,440
>> to discuss the um

2764
02:04:21,440 --> 02:04:23,599
>> So can I I just want to clarify

2765
02:04:23,599 --> 02:04:25,920
something. So in the um agenda item

2766
02:04:25,920 --> 02:04:29,599
report there is um kind of next steps

2767
02:04:29,599 --> 02:04:31,360
listed on on different things that you

2768
02:04:31,360 --> 02:04:34,000
can do here and what you'll need to do

2769
02:04:34,000 --> 02:04:36,159
is the board will need to vote to

2770
02:04:36,159 --> 02:04:38,000
continue the public hearing to a time

2771
02:04:38,000 --> 02:04:40,080
date and location certain. So it would

2772
02:04:40,080 --> 02:04:42,320
be the board's next regular meeting

2773
02:04:42,320 --> 02:04:44,239
September 8th. So if somebody wants to

2774
02:04:44,239 --> 02:04:46,080
make that motion that' be helpful just

2775
02:04:46,080 --> 02:04:48,000
so it's

2776
02:04:48,000 --> 02:04:50,560
>> um do you have the agenda heading report

2777
02:04:50,560 --> 02:04:56,159
or handed to someone? So

2778
02:04:56,159 --> 02:05:00,070
>> let

2779
02:05:00,080 --> 02:05:03,679
that continue the hearing hearing at the

2780
02:05:03,679 --> 02:05:16,709
September meeting.

2781
02:05:16,719 --> 02:05:19,840
There's a motion made a motion to

2782
02:05:19,840 --> 02:05:24,320
continue this public hearing to our

2783
02:05:24,320 --> 02:05:27,520
September 8th meeting concerning the

2784
02:05:27,520 --> 02:05:31,280
ordinance 20268

2785
02:05:31,280 --> 02:05:34,080
for the town of KY repealing and

2786
02:05:34,080 --> 02:05:36,560
replacing the town's chapter 16 zoning

2787
02:05:36,560 --> 02:05:38,880
code and zoning ordinances adopting a

2788
02:05:38,880 --> 02:05:41,679
new zoning board and code and providing

2789
02:05:41,679 --> 02:05:43,760
for publication andification of the new

2790
02:05:43,760 --> 02:05:44,800
zoning code.

2791
02:05:44,800 --> 02:05:48,239
>> Point of order. September 8th at 7 p.m.

2792
02:05:48,239 --> 02:05:51,119
>> September 8th at 7 p.m. Yes.

2793
02:05:51,119 --> 02:05:56,629
>> And I think this also feels

2794
02:05:56,639 --> 02:06:00,080
this week, but also

2795
02:06:00,080 --> 02:06:09,750
>> other people.

2796
02:06:09,760 --> 02:06:11,760
How do you go into a public hearing when

2797
02:06:11,760 --> 02:06:14,960
you haven't been able to

2798
02:06:14,960 --> 02:06:17,280
>> learning commission has their meeting

2799
02:06:17,280 --> 02:06:20,719
every third Wednesday of the month and I

2800
02:06:20,719 --> 02:06:24,639
don't see anybody there but me

2801
02:06:24,639 --> 02:06:26,080
I'm not

2802
02:06:26,080 --> 02:06:28,960
>> no in general

2803
02:06:28,960 --> 02:06:32,400
>> and I'm not I'm not

2804
02:06:32,400 --> 02:06:34,639
I understand

2805
02:06:34,639 --> 02:06:37,760
but when it's finally made

2806
02:06:37,760 --> 02:06:39,679
privilege

2807
02:06:39,679 --> 02:06:41,280
that you can read it

2808
02:06:41,280 --> 02:06:43,199
>> right and it is

2809
02:06:43,199 --> 02:06:45,840
>> and it is now

2810
02:06:45,840 --> 02:06:47,679
>> I think

2811
02:06:47,679 --> 02:06:50,079
I mean

2812
02:06:50,079 --> 02:06:53,760
>> not only do we need ample time to

2813
02:06:53,760 --> 02:06:56,719
ruminate resist but

2814
02:06:56,719 --> 02:06:58,639
>> if you have like I said Bailey already

2815
02:06:58,639 --> 02:07:00,480
obviously has things so she can send

2816
02:07:00,480 --> 02:07:03,360
those to me and I can startling

2817
02:07:03,360 --> 02:07:05,920
through those so as the rest of you look

2818
02:07:05,920 --> 02:07:08,079
at them you can send those to

2819
02:07:08,079 --> 02:07:18,310
question.

2820
02:07:18,320 --> 02:07:20,480
» So we need the motion and then I can't

2821
02:07:20,480 --> 02:07:23,830
remember

2822
02:07:23,840 --> 02:07:26,079
and second.

2823
02:07:26,079 --> 02:07:28,560
>> So all those in favor say I.

2824
02:07:28,560 --> 02:07:31,520
>> Those oppos say nay.

2825
02:07:31,520 --> 02:07:34,960
>> So we'll move the public hearing to

2826
02:07:34,960 --> 02:07:40,870
September 8th.

2827
02:07:40,880 --> 02:07:47,360
public hearing close at 9 p.m.

2828
02:07:47,360 --> 02:07:51,840
>> Now can it

2829
02:07:51,840 --> 02:07:56,870
all in favor say I

2830
02:07:56,880 --> 02:08:00,079
have a first

2831
02:08:00,079 --> 02:08:04,538
motion? Sorry, it's running late.

2832
02:08:04,548 --> 02:08:07,430
[clears throat]

2833
02:08:07,440 --> 02:08:09,440
» So, here are the consent items approving

2834
02:08:09,440 --> 02:08:11,760
the minutes and the expenditures.

2835
02:08:11,760 --> 02:08:14,079
>> Motion to approve the consent items and

2836
02:08:14,079 --> 02:08:18,159
minutes and expenditures today.

2837
02:08:18,159 --> 02:08:21,520
>> Have a second or a second.

2838
02:08:21,520 --> 02:08:25,520
I have a question about um the financial

2839
02:08:25,520 --> 02:08:26,239
thing.

2840
02:08:26,239 --> 02:08:28,239
>> Okay. Well, then we got to do that.

2841
02:08:28,239 --> 02:08:32,560
>> Okay. I have a question. How how under

2842
02:08:32,560 --> 02:08:36,000
the financial part um

2843
02:08:36,000 --> 02:08:38,480
expenditures I guess you would call it.

2844
02:08:38,480 --> 02:08:41,840
mentions cigarettes. What does that

2845
02:08:41,840 --> 02:08:44,400
mean? That's the I know. But how does

2846
02:08:44,400 --> 02:08:48,239
that how does that

2847
02:08:48,239 --> 02:08:50,239
>> I'm not sure. We have Ken on that. But

2848
02:08:50,239 --> 02:08:52,480
that comes in as revenue.

2849
02:08:52,480 --> 02:08:54,984
>> It's a use like a use tax if you will.

2850
02:08:54,984 --> 02:08:57,430
[clears throat]

2851
02:08:57,440 --> 02:08:59,679
» My story is never

2852
02:08:59,679 --> 02:09:03,280
resell cigarettes. I've never How How do

2853
02:09:03,280 --> 02:09:07,669
you come up with that figure?

2854
02:09:07,679 --> 02:09:10,400
» I don't know.

2855
02:09:10,400 --> 02:09:19,109
>> Okay.

2856
02:09:19,119 --> 02:09:22,800
» Yeah. So, when they buy that from they

2857
02:09:22,800 --> 02:09:26,320
get the taxes figured out on, right? And

2858
02:09:26,320 --> 02:09:27,920
so they get that.

2859
02:09:27,920 --> 02:09:30,159
>> How do they get that?

2860
02:09:30,159 --> 02:09:32,800
>> It's whatever the tax was voted on, but

2861
02:09:32,800 --> 02:09:41,910
it's in it's already preloaded in your in your zip. It's excit

2862
02:09:41,920 --> 02:09:44,000
» Well, you turn it in and it goes to the

2863
02:09:44,000 --> 02:09:45,520
state and the state goes, "Yeah, this

2864
02:09:45,520 --> 02:09:47,599
book was sold inside the city."

2865
02:09:47,599 --> 02:09:50,000
>> I never ever ever years have turned it

2866
02:09:50,000 --> 02:09:51,199
into anybody.

2867
02:09:51,199 --> 02:09:53,360
>> You You don't pay taxes?

2868
02:09:53,360 --> 02:09:53,920
>> I do.

2869
02:09:53,920 --> 02:09:56,159
>> You don't pay sales tax?

2870
02:09:56,159 --> 02:09:58,239
I do, but

2871
02:09:58,239 --> 02:09:59,360
>> that's not

2872
02:09:59,360 --> 02:10:00,960
>> Okay. Well, I've never turned in my

2873
02:10:00,960 --> 02:10:05,119
cigarette sales tax.

2874
02:10:05,119 --> 02:10:08,400
I mean, nobody knows that but me, but I

2875
02:10:08,400 --> 02:10:09,760
do my book work.

2876
02:10:09,760 --> 02:10:18,069
>> That's your

2877
02:10:18,079 --> 02:10:20,239
» Well, maybe they're not counting your

2878
02:10:20,239 --> 02:10:22,079
store. Maybe it's just

2879
02:10:22,079 --> 02:10:25,270
>> I know.

2880
02:10:25,280 --> 02:10:29,280
No. Yeah, it's supposed to

2881
02:10:29,280 --> 02:10:32,159
it's not supposed to work out.

2882
02:10:32,159 --> 02:10:34,719
>> I do. I do. I register bring it up on

2883
02:10:34,719 --> 02:10:37,760
the cigarette key, but from there it

2884
02:10:37,760 --> 02:10:40,079
goes nowhere.

2885
02:10:40,079 --> 02:10:41,840
>> Well, we'll have to ask you. Okay. Thank

2886
02:10:41,840 --> 02:10:42,239
you.

2887
02:10:42,239 --> 02:10:43,199
>> Yeah, but I don't

2888
02:10:43,199 --> 02:10:44,079
>> I don't either.

2889
02:10:44,079 --> 02:10:45,520
>> Okay. So, where was I at?

2890
02:10:45,520 --> 02:10:47,440
>> You have first and second.

2891
02:10:47,440 --> 02:10:50,000
>> Okay.

2892
02:10:50,000 --> 02:10:54,239
So all those in favor of approving the

2893
02:10:54,239 --> 02:10:57,199
consent items say I.

2894
02:10:57,199 --> 02:11:08,870
>> I. Those opposed say

2895
02:11:08,880 --> 02:11:10,880
we declaring a vacancy on the board of

2896
02:11:10,880 --> 02:11:14,000
trustees. Please make page for them. We

2897
02:11:14,000 --> 02:11:16,159
are on

2898
02:11:16,159 --> 02:11:18,719
two of the

2899
02:11:18,719 --> 02:11:21,599
>> of the agenda of the agenda.

2900
02:11:21,599 --> 02:11:22,960
>> There isn't a there isn't an

2901
02:11:22,960 --> 02:11:26,229
accomplishment

2902
02:11:26,239 --> 02:11:27,440
for

2903
02:11:27,440 --> 02:11:29,440
>> so we just say that there's a vacancy on

2904
02:11:29,440 --> 02:11:31,520
the board of trustees to declare

2905
02:11:31,520 --> 02:11:32,079
vacancy.

2906
02:11:32,079 --> 02:11:35,270
>> Oh yeah.

2907
02:11:35,280 --> 02:11:38,880
» Have a scripture. Um,

2908
02:11:38,880 --> 02:11:41,599
and then we do that.

2909
02:11:41,599 --> 02:11:43,840
Move to declare a vacancy on a board of

2910
02:11:43,840 --> 02:11:45,360
trustees.

2911
02:11:45,360 --> 02:11:49,280
Is there a motion to declare vacancy on

2912
02:11:49,280 --> 02:11:51,199
the board of trustees?

2913
02:11:51,199 --> 02:11:55,280
>> Um, that we're actually declare it.

2914
02:11:55,280 --> 02:11:58,560
There we go. We're done.

2915
02:11:58,560 --> 02:12:01,040
>> Um, so now basically we'll want somebody

2916
02:12:01,040 --> 02:12:04,960
to nominate someone um as a new mayor

2917
02:12:04,960 --> 02:12:06,960
pro 10.

2918
02:12:06,960 --> 02:12:11,920
All right. So, yeah, we were lost.

2919
02:12:11,920 --> 02:12:14,719
>> Yeah, since Jonathan had to resign from

2920
02:12:14,719 --> 02:12:17,760
the board, then he was our pro. So,

2921
02:12:17,760 --> 02:12:19,599
we're going to have to elect one of us

2922
02:12:19,599 --> 02:12:23,030
to be

2923
02:12:23,040 --> 02:12:33,030
your elections.

2924
02:12:33,040 --> 02:12:40,870
» Anybody want to be?

2925
02:12:40,880 --> 02:12:45,360
Well, I I I would like to appoint Trevor

2926
02:12:45,360 --> 02:12:48,800
until his term is up

2927
02:12:48,800 --> 02:12:51,760
and then after elections then after

2928
02:12:51,760 --> 02:12:55,760
January will vote in somebody else.

2929
02:12:55,760 --> 02:12:58,239
Anybody [clears throat] okay with that?

2930
02:12:58,239 --> 02:13:02,480
>> I think Trevor is extremely

2931
02:13:02,480 --> 02:13:09,830
>> just

2932
02:13:09,840 --> 02:13:12,320
we should um do a first motion and a

2933
02:13:12,320 --> 02:13:14,320
second motion and then a vote to declare

2934
02:13:14,320 --> 02:13:16,332
the vacancy on the board.

2935
02:13:16,332 --> 02:13:17,679
[clears throat]

2936
02:13:17,679 --> 02:13:19,920
>> That

2937
02:13:19,920 --> 02:13:24,470
sound like the motion would declare.

2938
02:13:24,480 --> 02:13:25,280
» Okay.

2939
02:13:25,280 --> 02:13:27,520
>> All right. All those in favor say I.

2940
02:13:27,520 --> 02:13:30,480
>> I. Say n.

2941
02:13:30,480 --> 02:13:31,040
>> All right.

2942
02:13:31,040 --> 02:13:32,239
>> I'll say I. Thank you.

2943
02:13:32,239 --> 02:13:34,239
>> Okay. So then, mayor, were you making a

2944
02:13:34,239 --> 02:13:36,719
motion to nominate Trevor? Yes. I'll

2945
02:13:36,719 --> 02:13:38,560
make a motion to nominate Trevor as

2946
02:13:38,560 --> 02:13:41,599
mayor pro 10 through the end of the

2947
02:13:41,599 --> 02:13:43,840
year.

2948
02:13:43,840 --> 02:13:45,360
Do you accept the nomination?

2949
02:13:45,360 --> 02:13:47,599
>> Do

2950
02:13:47,599 --> 02:13:50,239
I know

2951
02:13:50,239 --> 02:13:57,910
you

2952
02:13:57,920 --> 02:13:59,760
» the end of his term?

2953
02:13:59,760 --> 02:14:06,709
>> Right. We start new in January.

2954
02:14:06,719 --> 02:14:12,790
in on the minutes from last month

2955
02:14:12,800 --> 02:14:14,960
» it says

2956
02:14:14,960 --> 02:14:17,840
town hall and highway 45

2957
02:14:17,840 --> 02:14:21,199
>> right I saw that and I think it was the

2958
02:14:21,199 --> 02:14:24,800
dra the other guys that were taking

2959
02:14:24,800 --> 02:14:28,239
>> and I think they just um misprinted I

2960
02:14:28,239 --> 02:14:28,560
don't

2961
02:14:28,560 --> 02:14:30,719
>> so

2962
02:14:30,719 --> 02:14:36,960
86 His [clears throat] youth is there

2963
02:14:36,960 --> 02:14:39,920
and this is 8645 is there.

2964
02:14:39,920 --> 02:14:42,239
>> I think he just missed.

2965
02:14:42,239 --> 02:14:44,800
>> Did you get that?

2966
02:14:44,800 --> 02:14:50,069
>> So it was the minute from

2967
02:14:50,079 --> 02:14:54,390
the very back

2968
02:14:54,400 --> 02:14:55,440
A.

2969
02:14:55,440 --> 02:14:57,360
>> Okay.

2970
02:14:57,360 --> 02:14:59,440
So Highway

2971
02:14:59,440 --> 02:15:01,599
86.

2972
02:15:01,599 --> 02:15:04,320
Yeah.

2973
02:15:04,320 --> 02:15:07,990
So,

2974
02:15:08,000 --> 02:15:10,079
» so you're hoping to amend the minutes?

2975
02:15:10,079 --> 02:15:12,560
Yeah.

2976
02:15:12,560 --> 02:15:14,639
>> Yeah. I think we need to go back then

2977
02:15:14,639 --> 02:15:15,920
because we've already made a motion to

2978
02:15:15,920 --> 02:15:19,510
approve them.

2979
02:15:19,520 --> 02:15:22,480
Where am I?

2980
02:15:22,480 --> 02:15:26,960
>> I saw that too. I just print and I guess

2981
02:15:26,960 --> 02:15:29,360
if it's important enough to change it.

2982
02:15:29,360 --> 02:15:33,119
>> Okay. So, Okay. Wait. So, 586 instead of

2983
02:15:33,119 --> 02:15:37,830
45.

2984
02:15:37,840 --> 02:15:40,159
» Okay. So, I would recommend that you

2985
02:15:40,159 --> 02:15:42,079
make a new motion.

2986
02:15:42,079 --> 02:15:43,520
>> Well, do we need we need to finish the

2987
02:15:43,520 --> 02:15:47,040
one we're on, right? So, we needed Yes.

2988
02:15:47,040 --> 02:15:49,760
>> So, we need a second on

2989
02:15:49,760 --> 02:15:52,400
Trevor being the mayor.

2990
02:15:52,400 --> 02:15:54,079
>> Okay.

2991
02:15:54,079 --> 02:15:59,750
And then I said something.

2992
02:15:59,760 --> 02:16:01,599
» They're all so tight.

2993
02:16:01,599 --> 02:16:04,320
>> Okay. So, let's do this one,

2994
02:16:04,320 --> 02:16:08,079
which is the Trevor mayor for 10. So,

2995
02:16:08,079 --> 02:16:11,760
all in favor of Trevor being a mayor for

2996
02:16:11,760 --> 02:16:14,320
10 until the end of the year.

2997
02:16:14,320 --> 02:16:22,229
I don't know. Okay.

2998
02:16:22,239 --> 02:16:26,229
» So, compenting

2999
02:16:26,239 --> 02:16:29,360
back the consent items on the

3000
02:16:29,360 --> 02:16:33,280
>> we have we would need

3001
02:16:33,280 --> 02:16:38,719
>> so we approve the consent items with

3002
02:16:38,729 --> 02:16:47,110
[clears throat]

3003
02:16:47,120 --> 02:16:50,639
» so can you do the motion to um approve

3004
02:16:50,639 --> 02:16:53,679
the minutes with the amended

3005
02:16:53,679 --> 02:16:56,414
the consent items with the um amended

3006
02:16:56,414 --> 02:16:59,519
[clears throat] minutes.

3007
02:16:59,519 --> 02:17:04,950
Somebody make that motion.

3008
02:17:04,960 --> 02:17:06,319
» That motion

3009
02:17:06,319 --> 02:17:22,549
>> second

3010
02:17:22,559 --> 02:17:25,760
Yes. Okay. So, resolution 202615, a

3011
02:17:25,760 --> 02:17:28,240
resolution approving an governmental

3012
02:17:28,240 --> 02:17:29,760
agreement with Elbert County Clerk and

3013
02:17:29,760 --> 02:17:32,000
reporter regarding the conduct and

3014
02:17:32,000 --> 02:17:35,280
administration of the November 20

3015
02:17:35,280 --> 02:17:38,080
November 3rd, 2026 general election. Can

3016
02:17:38,080 --> 02:17:40,240
everybody read that?

3017
02:17:40,240 --> 02:17:43,429
where

3018
02:17:43,439 --> 02:17:46,080
it should be. So we have to do

3019
02:17:46,080 --> 02:17:47,679
>> we have to do it every time there's an

3020
02:17:47,679 --> 02:17:48,160
election

3021
02:17:48,160 --> 02:17:49,760
>> election they basically handle

3022
02:17:49,760 --> 02:17:51,920
everything

3023
02:17:51,920 --> 02:17:52,960
has to be

3024
02:17:52,960 --> 02:17:53,359
>> right

3025
02:17:53,359 --> 02:17:53,920
>> resolution

3026
02:17:53,920 --> 02:17:57,679
>> but they have it they have it be a joint

3027
02:17:57,679 --> 02:17:59,760
because that when she sent me the first

3028
02:17:59,760 --> 02:18:03,439
16 pages and I didn't get the rest I did

3029
02:18:03,439 --> 02:18:05,599
get that part so you probably didn't get

3030
02:18:05,599 --> 02:18:08,479
that part because I don't I really don't

3031
02:18:08,479 --> 02:18:11,599
think so

3032
02:18:11,599 --> 02:18:14,000
you today's

3033
02:18:14,000 --> 02:18:16,800
the constitution.

3034
02:18:16,800 --> 02:18:21,040
>> So, do we know what's going on?

3035
02:18:21,040 --> 02:18:23,679
>> You guys,

3036
02:18:23,679 --> 02:18:27,040
>> we never we never

3037
02:18:27,040 --> 02:18:31,760
basically you we whatever the board

3038
02:18:31,760 --> 02:18:34,080
never

3039
02:18:34,080 --> 02:18:36,080
you didn't decide to put any ballot

3040
02:18:36,080 --> 02:18:38,559
measures on this year. So, there is no

3041
02:18:38,559 --> 02:18:39,920
ballot measures. The only thing that

3042
02:18:39,920 --> 02:18:42,080
will be on the election this year is

3043
02:18:42,080 --> 02:18:44,399
your position. There will not any ballot

3044
02:18:44,399 --> 02:18:46,559
measures. There'll be no taxes. No,

3045
02:18:46,559 --> 02:18:47,760
>> we can't add that now.

3046
02:18:47,760 --> 02:18:49,120
>> You cannot.

3047
02:18:49,120 --> 02:18:50,800
>> Nope. That that

3048
02:18:50,800 --> 02:18:52,800
>> we do that before the end of July.

3049
02:18:52,800 --> 02:18:55,040
>> Yeah. Before mid July. Yeah.

3050
02:18:55,040 --> 02:18:59,280
>> So, um the the dates are very precise

3051
02:18:59,280 --> 02:19:01,200
just like I have to have the packets in

3052
02:19:01,200 --> 02:19:04,559
by the 24th at 4 o'clock otherwise we

3053
02:19:04,559 --> 02:19:06,160
going to go on the ballot. I think we'd

3054
02:19:06,160 --> 02:19:09,359
all agreed previously that we wouldn't

3055
02:19:09,359 --> 02:19:12,080
try to add another T this year or

3056
02:19:12,080 --> 02:19:14,240
anything like that because everybody's

3057
02:19:14,240 --> 02:19:16,240
been voting down the last year

3058
02:19:16,240 --> 02:19:19,920
>> and we want to do a better job educating

3059
02:19:19,920 --> 02:19:20,240
>> Yes.

3060
02:19:20,240 --> 02:19:21,359
>> people.

3061
02:19:21,359 --> 02:19:22,800
>> Yes. So,

3062
02:19:22,800 --> 02:19:24,240
>> so the only thing on the ballot this

3063
02:19:24,240 --> 02:19:28,080
year is your positions. That's it.

3064
02:19:28,080 --> 02:19:30,000
>> I'll make the motion to approve

3065
02:19:30,000 --> 02:19:31,519
resolution

3066
02:19:31,519 --> 02:19:33,519
2026-15

3067
02:19:33,519 --> 02:19:41,429
which is the

3068
02:19:41,439 --> 02:19:44,559
There's a motion to approve that prevent

3069
02:19:44,559 --> 02:19:48,319
or resolution 202615.

3070
02:19:48,319 --> 02:19:51,520
Um, all those in favor say I.

3071
02:19:51,520 --> 02:19:59,830
>> I. I. Those oppos say nay. Nay.

3072
02:19:59,840 --> 02:20:02,319
We want to ask for discussion.

3073
02:20:02,319 --> 02:20:04,319
I have no idea where we are. That's what

3074
02:20:04,319 --> 02:20:05,600
I Oh, [clears throat]

3075
02:20:05,600 --> 02:20:10,000
you're right. You're in agenda page two

3076
02:20:10,000 --> 02:20:12,720
number C letter C.

3077
02:20:12,720 --> 02:20:17,030
>> It's just an open

3078
02:20:17,040 --> 02:20:19,680
» and we didn't

3079
02:20:19,680 --> 02:20:26,950
in the capacity that I'm happy.

3080
02:20:26,960 --> 02:20:29,760
Thank you.

3081
02:20:29,760 --> 02:20:30,800
Well, I guess I could have flipped

3082
02:20:30,800 --> 02:20:32,000
through and figured out what page you

3083
02:20:32,000 --> 02:20:34,640
were looking for.

3084
02:20:34,640 --> 02:20:38,000
ways in here. It's page 133.

3085
02:20:38,000 --> 02:20:38,479
>> Yeah.

3086
02:20:38,479 --> 02:20:40,720
>> Oh, yep. I just looked to it.

3087
02:20:40,720 --> 02:20:43,040
>> Okay. So the next thing you will be

3088
02:20:43,040 --> 02:20:49,270
looking for is page

3089
02:20:49,280 --> 02:20:54,469
>> 147

3090
02:20:54,479 --> 02:20:59,040
on page 147 is resolution number 2026-16

3091
02:20:59,040 --> 02:21:01,600
town of KY

3092
02:21:01,600 --> 02:21:04,080
for trusted resolution approving the

3093
02:21:04,080 --> 02:21:05,600
professional services agreement

3094
02:21:05,600 --> 02:21:07,840
technical support for Kaiwa housing and

3095
02:21:07,840 --> 02:21:09,920
community development study between the

3096
02:21:09,920 --> 02:21:14,479
town and Kinley Horn and Associates.

3097
02:21:14,479 --> 02:21:19,840
So, this is to um have them finish

3098
02:21:19,840 --> 02:21:21,600
going on the work that we previously

3099
02:21:21,600 --> 02:21:24,640
said they could do for us.

3100
02:21:24,640 --> 02:21:26,800
>> Well, how they already been doing?

3101
02:21:26,800 --> 02:21:29,439
>> Yeah, but this is this is different and

3102
02:21:29,439 --> 02:21:32,000
um this is a new

3103
02:21:32,000 --> 02:21:34,160
um part of the

3104
02:21:34,160 --> 02:21:38,399
uh grant that we received to help um do

3105
02:21:38,399 --> 02:21:40,240
the housing

3106
02:21:40,240 --> 02:21:42,160
study and all that.

3107
02:21:42,160 --> 02:21:43,760
>> So,

3108
02:21:43,760 --> 02:21:48,309
>> be working with

3109
02:21:48,319 --> 02:21:51,760
dates and the people that we approved

3110
02:21:51,760 --> 02:21:55,200
the last time for the housing study.

3111
02:21:55,200 --> 02:21:56,479
>> So, they'll work together through the

3112
02:21:56,479 --> 02:21:56,880
grant,

3113
02:21:56,880 --> 02:21:58,640
>> but it's all grant funded. So, they'll

3114
02:21:58,640 --> 02:22:02,160
be paid through the grant.

3115
02:22:02,160 --> 02:22:04,160
>> So, it's not going to cost the child,

3116
02:22:04,160 --> 02:22:06,240
>> right?

3117
02:22:06,240 --> 02:22:10,240
So, this is just a study. Um,

3118
02:22:10,240 --> 02:22:12,560
We

3119
02:22:12,560 --> 02:22:17,510
that

3120
02:22:17,520 --> 02:22:20,240
the 123 housing

3121
02:22:20,240 --> 02:22:23,040
yes to to get the low

3122
02:22:23,040 --> 02:22:27,680
>> it's on the affordable housing. So, we

3123
02:22:27,680 --> 02:22:30,160
have to have a study done for all of

3124
02:22:30,160 --> 02:22:32,720
that, too. And then with the new school

3125
02:22:32,720 --> 02:22:34,560
going and the development that'll

3126
02:22:34,560 --> 02:22:36,800
possibly happen over there where the

3127
02:22:36,800 --> 02:22:38,560
school was

3128
02:22:38,560 --> 02:22:42,640
>> there going to be I'm being told it's

3129
02:22:42,640 --> 02:22:45,840
demolition and selling

3130
02:22:45,840 --> 02:22:47,280
that over there and then developing it

3131
02:22:47,280 --> 02:22:50,080
into affordable housing

3132
02:22:50,080 --> 02:22:52,800
>> and possibly other they can they can

3133
02:22:52,800 --> 02:22:55,120
mixed use it. Yeah. Because once the new

3134
02:22:55,120 --> 02:22:57,840
school is built the old one has to be

3135
02:22:57,840 --> 02:22:58,479
the land.

3136
02:22:58,479 --> 02:22:59,840
>> They can't build anything there. That's

3137
02:22:59,840 --> 02:23:15,190
a point.

3138
02:23:15,200 --> 02:23:20,000
» Agree technical support for Ohio housing

3139
02:23:20,000 --> 02:23:22,960
development between

3140
02:23:22,960 --> 02:23:27,040
Timberly and Associates.

3141
02:23:27,040 --> 02:23:29,920
It's a confession.

3142
02:23:29,920 --> 02:23:32,640
So, there's a motion and a second to

3143
02:23:32,640 --> 02:23:38,070
approve resolution number 2026-16.

3144
02:23:38,080 --> 02:23:40,160
All those in favor say I.

3145
02:23:40,160 --> 02:23:41,760
>> I.

3146
02:23:41,760 --> 02:23:44,560
>> Those opposed say nay.

3147
02:23:44,560 --> 02:23:46,720
>> Okay.

3148
02:23:46,720 --> 02:23:53,990
Resolution passes.

3149
02:23:54,000 --> 02:23:55,520
» I heard they're going to put in like a

3150
02:23:55,520 --> 02:23:57,280
community center or something. They're

3151
02:23:57,280 --> 02:23:58,960
going to build houses now.

3152
02:23:58,960 --> 02:24:04,160
>> Well, we don't know. We don't know. It's mixed use, so it could be They've

3153
02:24:04,160 --> 02:24:05,600
talked about Well, it'll be up to

3154
02:24:05,600 --> 02:24:07,680
whoever purchases the property,

3155
02:24:07,680 --> 02:24:09,680
>> but there needs to be kind of a study

3156
02:24:09,680 --> 02:24:11,359
regardless.

3157
02:24:11,359 --> 02:24:13,840
>> Plus, we you know, we still have the

3158
02:24:13,840 --> 02:24:15,439
It's not in town, but there's the

3159
02:24:15,439 --> 02:24:17,600
property that way.

3160
02:24:17,600 --> 02:24:17,920
>> Yeah.

3161
02:24:17,920 --> 02:24:20,640
>> And then there's the property up by the

3162
02:24:20,640 --> 02:24:22,560
water tower.

3163
02:24:22,560 --> 02:24:24,640
So, there's there's several. So, it's

3164
02:24:24,640 --> 02:24:27,040
really looking at

3165
02:24:27,040 --> 02:24:29,840
like feasibility and looking at the

3166
02:24:29,840 --> 02:24:33,439
roads, looking at infrastructure.

3167
02:24:33,439 --> 02:24:40,230
>> Okay.

3168
02:24:40,240 --> 02:24:43,435
Just met with the seniors today and um

3169
02:24:43,435 --> 02:24:48,389
[clears throat]

3170
02:24:48,399 --> 02:24:49,680
they're doing pretty good over there.

3171
02:24:49,680 --> 02:24:51,920
They just need somebody to help paint

3172
02:24:51,920 --> 02:24:53,840
the inside of the building. So, if

3173
02:24:53,840 --> 02:24:56,000
anybody know my contractors that help

3174
02:24:56,000 --> 02:24:59,120
them out. Um, possibly donating their

3175
02:24:59,120 --> 02:25:02,080
work and they are willing to pay but

3176
02:25:02,080 --> 02:25:04,240
haven't been budgeted.

3177
02:25:04,240 --> 02:25:05,520
>> Okay.

3178
02:25:05,520 --> 02:25:07,920
>> Oh, and and another thing I touched on

3179
02:25:07,920 --> 02:25:11,200
earlier was we bought a bunch of no

3180
02:25:11,200 --> 02:25:15,200
parking signs and um no parking in the

3181
02:25:15,200 --> 02:25:18,479
crosswalk signs. And um our summer help

3182
02:25:18,479 --> 02:25:20,399
went around painting fire hydrants and

3183
02:25:20,399 --> 02:25:23,120
painting the lines where you cannot

3184
02:25:23,120 --> 02:25:26,880
park. Um It's all state regulations. And

3185
02:25:26,880 --> 02:25:29,520
so anyway, we bought those and somebody

3186
02:25:29,520 --> 02:25:35,040
down here on the corner behind um

3187
02:25:35,040 --> 02:25:36,800
that little ement that's our right

3188
02:25:36,800 --> 02:25:41,670
there. What is that?

3189
02:25:41,680 --> 02:25:44,560
» And right behind um

3190
02:25:44,560 --> 02:25:46,319
>> where

3191
02:25:46,319 --> 02:25:47,600
construction company.

3192
02:25:47,600 --> 02:25:50,880
>> Yes. Unbridled. We're right behind them.

3193
02:25:50,880 --> 02:25:53,920
>> The alley is here. Unbridled here. And

3194
02:25:53,920 --> 02:25:55,520
then they've been parking their trucks

3195
02:25:55,520 --> 02:25:58,160
back here. And and that's our easement.

3196
02:25:58,160 --> 02:26:01,359
And the utility easement is right there.

3197
02:26:01,359 --> 02:26:03,200
So people have been parking there. So we

3198
02:26:03,200 --> 02:26:06,240
put Teddy put no parking signs there.

3199
02:26:06,240 --> 02:26:09,520
Somebody ripped the no parking sign out

3200
02:26:09,520 --> 02:26:11,040
and threw it in the driveway at the

3201
02:26:11,040 --> 02:26:14,550
shop.

3202
02:26:14,560 --> 02:26:15,920
» So the sheriff's department was

3203
02:26:15,920 --> 02:26:18,000
contacted and they said if we can figure

3204
02:26:18,000 --> 02:26:21,031
out who it is or if they if um we have

3205
02:26:21,031 --> 02:26:22,240
[clears throat] them on camera, they

3206
02:26:22,240 --> 02:26:24,080
will site them.

3207
02:26:24,080 --> 02:26:26,640
So just in the hallway.

3208
02:26:26,640 --> 02:26:28,640
>> No, not in the alleyway. Right there.

3209
02:26:28,640 --> 02:26:30,960
The ement next to that fence in that

3210
02:26:30,960 --> 02:26:32,720
blue house or gray house on the corner

3211
02:26:32,720 --> 02:26:39,349
now.

3212
02:26:39,359 --> 02:26:47,990
» Yeah.

3213
02:26:48,000 --> 02:26:50,479
But why can't the the person that

3214
02:26:50,479 --> 02:26:52,960
lives in that house? Isn't that public?

3215
02:26:52,960 --> 02:26:54,080
right away.

3216
02:26:54,080 --> 02:26:55,760
>> Did you ask permission to put that sign

3217
02:26:55,760 --> 02:26:56,960
on?

3218
02:26:56,960 --> 02:26:59,760
>> Um, it wasn't on the fence. It was on

3219
02:26:59,760 --> 02:27:00,720
>> a post.

3220
02:27:00,720 --> 02:27:02,560
>> It was on a post on our property.

3221
02:27:02,560 --> 02:27:04,000
>> I don't think anyone would know that

3222
02:27:04,000 --> 02:27:06,720
that's even a

3223
02:27:06,720 --> 02:27:09,200
>> So anyway, just so people are aware, if

3224
02:27:09,200 --> 02:27:10,880
you get caught doing it, you're going to

3225
02:27:10,880 --> 02:27:14,080
be cited for

3226
02:27:14,080 --> 02:27:15,520
>> tearing up for [clears throat]

3227
02:27:15,520 --> 02:27:19,920
destruction of a

3228
02:27:19,920 --> 02:27:24,000
centennial dinner. Oh yes,

3229
02:27:24,000 --> 02:27:25,600
>> it was amazing.

3230
02:27:25,600 --> 02:27:28,240
>> Yes. And Tammy did a great job and Kim

3231
02:27:28,240 --> 02:27:29,920
did a great job. The town did a great

3232
02:27:29,920 --> 02:27:34,800
job and the meal was fantastic. And um

3233
02:27:34,800 --> 02:27:39,600
>> Joe Joe Martell did a whole wall of

3234
02:27:39,600 --> 02:27:43,359
photos of the town and all the ranch of

3235
02:27:43,359 --> 02:27:44,880
the county, I should say. All the

3236
02:27:44,880 --> 02:27:49,600
ranches and three new um ranches were

3237
02:27:49,600 --> 02:27:56,560
inducted into the Centennial Ranches. Um

3238
02:27:56,560 --> 02:27:59,120
Tammy gave Oh, they had a m a couple of

3239
02:27:59,120 --> 02:28:01,600
musicians that played music and that was

3240
02:28:01,600 --> 02:28:02,960
really great.

3241
02:28:02,960 --> 02:28:03,920
>> That was fun.

3242
02:28:03,920 --> 02:28:05,359
>> It was a really good time.

3243
02:28:05,359 --> 02:28:07,680
>> Yeah. Um and off the back, sorry, I do

3244
02:28:07,680 --> 02:28:09,760
have another on the ice cream social.

3245
02:28:09,760 --> 02:28:10,160
>> Oh, yeah.

3246
02:28:10,160 --> 02:28:12,800
>> I think it was very successful

3247
02:28:12,800 --> 02:28:14,080
that night. There's

3248
02:28:14,080 --> 02:28:15,840
>> Right. There's like 3 to 4 thousand

3249
02:28:15,840 --> 02:28:18,800
people there is what was estimated

3250
02:28:18,800 --> 02:28:22,080
>> and we went we sold out. Sold out. We

3251
02:28:22,080 --> 02:28:24,319
ran out of ran out of ice cream and the

3252
02:28:24,319 --> 02:28:28,960
cases. And then also we the books. Um

3253
02:28:28,960 --> 02:28:30,399
Sasha's going to be ordering us some

3254
02:28:30,399 --> 02:28:32,160
more because we only had like what three

3255
02:28:32,160 --> 02:28:33,040
or four left.

3256
02:28:33,040 --> 02:28:34,880
>> Yeah.

3257
02:28:34,880 --> 02:28:37,760
>> So there'll be more available and see if

3258
02:28:37,760 --> 02:28:41,520
we can get those sold. They're only $20.

3259
02:28:41,520 --> 02:28:43,520
>> They're so cute. Little kids. Yeah.

3260
02:28:43,520 --> 02:28:44,560
>> Yeah.

3261
02:28:44,560 --> 02:28:50,389
>> Put them all in if it

3262
02:28:50,399 --> 02:28:53,200
» Yeah. was like, "How to make tacos."

3263
02:28:53,200 --> 02:28:55,040
>> Brown your meat. Put it in the taco

3264
02:28:55,040 --> 02:28:58,880
shell. Put your favorite stuff on it.

3265
02:28:58,880 --> 02:28:59,840
>> I love tacos.

3266
02:28:59,840 --> 02:29:02,800
>> The drone show.

3267
02:29:02,800 --> 02:29:05,600
>> I see. I can tell you. Um I had some

3268
02:29:05,600 --> 02:29:08,000
people from Arizona that came up in the

3269
02:29:08,000 --> 02:29:11,280
fair and said, "The [clears throat]

3270
02:29:11,280 --> 02:29:13,200
same people that bought the pig."

3271
02:29:13,200 --> 02:29:14,640
>> They bought the pig.

3272
02:29:14,640 --> 02:29:16,960
>> Yes. I actually watched the drone show

3273
02:29:16,960 --> 02:29:18,640
with the lady from Arizona who bought

3274
02:29:18,640 --> 02:29:19,120
the pig.

3275
02:29:19,120 --> 02:29:20,960
>> Okay. That's

3276
02:29:20,960 --> 02:29:22,720
>> they

3277
02:29:22,720 --> 02:29:24,000
loved it.

3278
02:29:24,000 --> 02:29:28,319
>> I think they had a pretty large

3279
02:29:28,319 --> 02:29:31,670
>> but

3280
02:29:31,680 --> 02:29:38,550
I'm trying to think there's three.

3281
02:29:38,560 --> 02:29:41,920
» Yeah, you would. Um, also on the the

3282
02:29:41,920 --> 02:29:43,760
drone show, I want to just say thanks to

3283
02:29:43,760 --> 02:29:46,000
everybody who helped go out and set up

3284
02:29:46,000 --> 02:29:47,280
the drones

3285
02:29:47,280 --> 02:29:48,800
>> and and if they're listening, it was

3286
02:29:48,800 --> 02:29:51,840
Jonathan and his family and a few other

3287
02:29:51,840 --> 02:29:52,240
people

3288
02:29:52,240 --> 02:29:54,560
>> and Dale and my husband Patrick. They

3289
02:29:54,560 --> 02:29:55,280
set them out.

3290
02:29:55,280 --> 02:30:00,230
>> Yeah. So, he

3291
02:30:00,240 --> 02:30:01,920
» they have a grid.

3292
02:30:01,920 --> 02:30:03,439
and literally Yeah.

3293
02:30:03,439 --> 02:30:05,439
They take a drone and you set the drone

3294
02:30:05,439 --> 02:30:07,280
down and then they have it like two feet

3295
02:30:07,280 --> 02:30:08,720
over. You set the next drone and then

3296
02:30:08,720 --> 02:30:10,160
you go two feet over. You set the next

3297
02:30:10,160 --> 02:30:11,920
drone in their whatever their grid

3298
02:30:11,920 --> 02:30:13,520
spacing was.

3299
02:30:13,520 --> 02:30:15,120
>> Yeah. It took him a couple hours to set

3300
02:30:15,120 --> 02:30:16,880
all 500 drones out.

3301
02:30:16,880 --> 02:30:19,439
>> He's got a computer in the trailer that

3302
02:30:19,439 --> 02:30:22,720
he does everything that all the drones

3303
02:30:22,720 --> 02:30:27,120
>> and they have like a number. So they're set on the grid based on their

3304
02:30:27,120 --> 02:30:27,680
number. And then

3305
02:30:27,680 --> 02:30:30,160
>> So how did they design like somebody

3306
02:30:30,160 --> 02:30:33,200
designed like the

3307
02:30:33,200 --> 02:30:36,160
computerized

3308
02:30:36,160 --> 02:30:38,000
Then they

3309
02:30:38,000 --> 02:30:42,000
go to what elevation and location

3310
02:30:42,000 --> 02:30:44,080
they got

3311
02:30:44,080 --> 02:30:47,680
>> they set them up I think set them up for

3312
02:30:47,680 --> 02:30:49,040
13 years ago.

3313
02:30:49,040 --> 02:30:52,950
>> It's pretty impressive.

3314
02:30:52,960 --> 02:30:54,960
» So they went over and helped pick up

3315
02:30:54,960 --> 02:30:57,040
too.

3316
02:30:57,040 --> 02:30:58,479
>> They were new drones and they were old

3317
02:30:58,479 --> 02:31:00,800
drones. So you had to stack them all

3318
02:31:00,800 --> 02:31:05,990
according to

3319
02:31:06,000 --> 02:31:08,399
fine. Anyway, anybody else?

3320
02:31:08,399 --> 02:31:11,510
>> Um,

3321
02:31:11,520 --> 02:31:13,760
so, and this might be a question for

3322
02:31:13,760 --> 02:31:16,800
you, but there's a restaurant in town

3323
02:31:16,800 --> 02:31:18,800
that's restaurant, always been a

3324
02:31:18,800 --> 02:31:21,920
restaurant, and now it's going under new

3325
02:31:21,920 --> 02:31:22,960
ownership.

3326
02:31:22,960 --> 02:31:25,120
>> Yes. But they have to go to planning

3327
02:31:25,120 --> 02:31:26,479
commission first.

3328
02:31:26,479 --> 02:31:28,160
>> Is that always a thing?

3329
02:31:28,160 --> 02:31:28,800
>> Yeah.

3330
02:31:28,800 --> 02:31:30,560
>> New business because it's a new

3331
02:31:30,560 --> 02:31:34,160
business. She was told like special use.

3332
02:31:34,160 --> 02:31:35,600
>> So, how does that work? If it's a

3333
02:31:35,600 --> 02:31:36,720
restaurant, now it's going to be a

3334
02:31:36,720 --> 02:31:37,920
restaurant again.

3335
02:31:37,920 --> 02:31:40,560
>> It's not special use. It's just a new

3336
02:31:40,560 --> 02:31:42,479
business. So, all the businesses have to

3337
02:31:42,479 --> 02:31:44,399
go for approval.

3338
02:31:44,399 --> 02:31:46,560
>> It's just like

3339
02:31:46,560 --> 02:31:48,319
>> she must be talking to everybody because

3340
02:31:48,319 --> 02:31:51,840
I have the same

3341
02:31:51,840 --> 02:31:52,960
business.

3342
02:31:52,960 --> 02:31:56,720
>> Yeah. I mean, she any new business like

3343
02:31:56,720 --> 02:31:58,560
needs to come in and talk to us before

3344
02:31:58,560 --> 02:31:59,600
they start,

3345
02:31:59,600 --> 02:32:01,120
>> but then they have to go to planning

3346
02:32:01,120 --> 02:32:04,000
commission first. I'm just thinking

3347
02:32:04,000 --> 02:32:07,840
>> it's just there's a set of steps you

3348
02:32:07,840 --> 02:32:11,590
have to go through.

3349
02:32:11,600 --> 02:32:13,439
» Well, that's kind of what I'm confused

3350
02:32:13,439 --> 02:32:16,160
about. I don't know if like that's just

3351
02:32:16,160 --> 02:32:18,240
in our

3352
02:32:18,240 --> 02:32:21,280
>> It's in the steps to obtain your license

3353
02:32:21,280 --> 02:32:22,880
or a new business.

3354
02:32:22,880 --> 02:32:25,680
>> They have to go through

3355
02:32:25,680 --> 02:32:28,720
is it's

3356
02:32:28,720 --> 02:32:31,840
>> the preapp meeting and then if they have

3357
02:32:31,840 --> 02:32:33,040
to come talk about if they're going to

3358
02:32:33,040 --> 02:32:35,359
make any changes because that has to go

3359
02:32:35,359 --> 02:32:37,600
with fire and everything. Is there any

3360
02:32:37,600 --> 02:32:39,439
structural changes in building?

3361
02:32:39,439 --> 02:32:42,000
>> What happens if planning conditions like

3362
02:32:42,000 --> 02:32:43,600
no, we don't want a restaurant there

3363
02:32:43,600 --> 02:32:44,160
anymore?

3364
02:32:44,160 --> 02:32:47,520
>> Well, typically has to follow really

3365
02:32:47,520 --> 02:32:49,359
objective criteria for whether or not

3366
02:32:49,359 --> 02:32:51,920
it's going to give like a permit or a

3367
02:32:51,920 --> 02:32:53,920
yeah, like a business license because

3368
02:32:53,920 --> 02:32:56,319
it's a right, you know what I mean? So,

3369
02:32:56,319 --> 02:33:00,640
they it's usually a judicial process.

3370
02:33:00,640 --> 02:33:02,960
>> They know to them and then it wouldn't

3371
02:33:02,960 --> 02:33:06,800
come to [clears throat] us. Right.

3372
02:33:06,800 --> 02:33:08,880
>> Either way, it comes before,

3373
02:33:08,880 --> 02:33:10,720
>> right? So, the planning commission could

3374
02:33:10,720 --> 02:33:13,120
say, "We don't recommend it." And you

3375
02:33:13,120 --> 02:33:14,640
can still overrule the planning

3376
02:33:14,640 --> 02:33:15,840
commission.

3377
02:33:15,840 --> 02:33:16,640
>> I don't see [clears throat] that

3378
02:33:16,640 --> 02:33:18,160
happening. Your planning commission is

3379
02:33:18,160 --> 02:33:20,960
very pro business.

3380
02:33:20,960 --> 02:33:21,280
>> So,

3381
02:33:21,280 --> 02:33:22,960
>> and typically, yeah, it's it's pretty

3382
02:33:22,960 --> 02:33:24,880
objective criteria. Isn't just like I

3383
02:33:24,880 --> 02:33:26,479
don't like the idea of a restaurant.

3384
02:33:26,479 --> 02:33:29,120
It's more like does the did the

3385
02:33:29,120 --> 02:33:31,040
application fulfill all the requirements

3386
02:33:31,040 --> 02:33:32,560
it's supposed to.

3387
02:33:32,560 --> 02:33:38,319
>> Right. So regardless, it'll come before

3388
02:33:38,319 --> 02:33:40,160
>> we

3389
02:33:40,160 --> 02:33:42,720
administrator notes. We have

3390
02:33:42,720 --> 02:33:45,200
>> you want the time to talk first.

3391
02:33:45,200 --> 02:33:48,080
>> I don't have any. Okay. Nice. Okay.

3392
02:33:48,080 --> 02:33:50,240
>> I have a fill in for administrator. Um

3393
02:33:50,240 --> 02:33:51,680
so there's a couple things I was going

3394
02:33:51,680 --> 02:33:56,240
to talk about the social but good you did great. No we talked about that.

3395
02:33:56,240 --> 02:33:59,680
Um parks. Um so as you know we got the

3396
02:33:59,680 --> 02:34:02,240
goal grant and things have started um

3397
02:34:02,240 --> 02:34:05,439
they have started um putting together

3398
02:34:05,439 --> 02:34:09,359
the dome piece um the parts are down

3399
02:34:09,359 --> 02:34:11,600
there at Nordman Park. So they are

3400
02:34:11,600 --> 02:34:13,359
starting to assemble the dome

3401
02:34:13,359 --> 02:34:15,760
>> the dome for like playground.

3402
02:34:15,760 --> 02:34:17,439
>> Yep. The dome playgrounds.

3403
02:34:17,439 --> 02:34:19,040
>> I saw that today and I'm like I don't

3404
02:34:19,040 --> 02:34:20,960
know how a kid is going to play on this.

3405
02:34:20,960 --> 02:34:24,000
>> Yeah. It's just not set up yet. But it's

3406
02:34:24,000 --> 02:34:26,399
gonna have as I think has ropes and

3407
02:34:26,399 --> 02:34:28,720
stuff where the kids can climb and but

3408
02:34:28,720 --> 02:34:32,479
it's not all assembled yet. So, um

3409
02:34:32,479 --> 02:34:36,319
>> if you've been to Miller Park over

3410
02:34:36,319 --> 02:34:37,600
>> Yeah, those are cool.

3411
02:34:37,600 --> 02:34:40,240
>> Yeah. So, um they had to bring they had

3412
02:34:40,240 --> 02:34:42,160
to pause because they had to bring in a

3413
02:34:42,160 --> 02:34:45,760
team to um excavate down because they

3414
02:34:45,760 --> 02:34:49,439
have to go so many inches down

3415
02:34:49,439 --> 02:34:51,120
whatever to for the plate for the

3416
02:34:51,120 --> 02:34:54,560
footing or whatever. Um, and then next

3417
02:34:54,560 --> 02:34:59,840
week the pavilion will be

3418
02:34:59,840 --> 02:35:03,040
built over at Nordman. They'll get that

3419
02:35:03,040 --> 02:35:05,439
one done first. Um, are they going to

3420
02:35:05,439 --> 02:35:08,000
put the cement in first?

3421
02:35:08,000 --> 02:35:09,520
No, they're going to build the structure

3422
02:35:09,520 --> 02:35:11,359
first and then come back. Um, and then

3423
02:35:11,359 --> 02:35:14,479
they'll do the pavilion um over at

3424
02:35:14,479 --> 02:35:17,439
Valley and then some rest of the

3425
02:35:17,439 --> 02:35:21,600
playground equipment is start coming in.

3426
02:35:21,600 --> 02:35:23,600
um in the next couple months and they'll

3427
02:35:23,600 --> 02:35:26,960
start assembling it and then the

3428
02:35:26,960 --> 02:35:30,000
uh Kimborn is working on the

3429
02:35:30,000 --> 02:35:33,600
parking lot uh study or whatever to

3430
02:35:33,600 --> 02:35:36,160
figure that out for Fawn Valley. Um the

3431
02:35:36,160 --> 02:35:38,720
basketball court at Farm Valley will be

3432
02:35:38,720 --> 02:35:40,399
rehashed

3433
02:35:40,399 --> 02:35:44,160
I think in this next month. And then um

3434
02:35:44,160 --> 02:35:47,359
in the spring they will do the bathrooms

3435
02:35:47,359 --> 02:35:50,000
and the splash pad with the idea that

3436
02:35:50,000 --> 02:35:52,000
the splash pad will be open then for

3437
02:35:52,000 --> 02:35:56,070
Memorial Day weekend

3438
02:35:56,080 --> 02:35:58,560
on Wednesday. Uh that project is going

3439
02:35:58,560 --> 02:36:01,840
forward. So we are we are moving things

3440
02:36:01,840 --> 02:36:04,800
are starting to happen. Um, so yay

3441
02:36:04,800 --> 02:36:07,439
there. Um, and then something else Kim

3442
02:36:07,439 --> 02:36:10,640
wanted me to uh talk to you about. Um,

3443
02:36:10,640 --> 02:36:14,000
and I already talked to the water board

3444
02:36:14,000 --> 02:36:17,920
and um, they gave their approval just so

3445
02:36:17,920 --> 02:36:19,600
you have that in the back of your head.

3446
02:36:19,600 --> 02:36:23,920
Um, because of how

3447
02:36:23,920 --> 02:36:26,800
their firm is readjusting

3448
02:36:26,800 --> 02:36:29,439
um, to keep

3449
02:36:29,439 --> 02:36:32,560
uh, them at our meetings. they have

3450
02:36:32,560 --> 02:36:37,120
requested that we move our meeting to

3451
02:36:37,120 --> 02:36:38,960
the second Wednesday. So today is the

3452
02:36:38,960 --> 02:36:41,439
second Tuesday. So it would just move to

3453
02:36:41,439 --> 02:36:44,720
tomorrow basically. Um so we would move

3454
02:36:44,720 --> 02:36:46,240
our mo meetings from instead of the

3455
02:36:46,240 --> 02:36:48,640
second Tuesday to the second Wednesday.

3456
02:36:48,640 --> 02:36:50,720
Um,

3457
02:36:50,720 --> 02:36:54,080
the other thing that that would help is

3458
02:36:54,080 --> 02:36:57,040
on those months when we have the second

3459
02:36:57,040 --> 02:36:59,439
Tuesday and the third Wednesday in the

3460
02:36:59,439 --> 02:37:02,080
same week, we have all those meetings

3461
02:37:02,080 --> 02:37:04,560
back toback. That gets a little crazy to

3462
02:37:04,560 --> 02:37:07,680
do. Um, we did check the school board,

3463
02:37:07,680 --> 02:37:09,600
the fire board, and Echo, none of them

3464
02:37:09,600 --> 02:37:12,880
have meetings on the second Wednesday,

3465
02:37:12,880 --> 02:37:15,600
so we wouldn't interfere with that. Um,

3466
02:37:15,600 --> 02:37:17,200
so like I said, I talked to one board

3467
02:37:17,200 --> 02:37:18,560
already

3468
02:37:18,560 --> 02:37:21,600
um earlier this evening and they agreed

3469
02:37:21,600 --> 02:37:23,200
that they would be fine with moving to

3470
02:37:23,200 --> 02:37:24,240
the second Wednesday instead because

3471
02:37:24,240 --> 02:37:26,960
it's like doing that again

3472
02:37:26,960 --> 02:37:31,439
>> because the with Josh's firm

3473
02:37:31,439 --> 02:37:33,760
um the way they're restructuring

3474
02:37:33,760 --> 02:37:39,040
Wednesday um would be better for them to

3475
02:37:39,040 --> 02:37:39,760
be available

3476
02:37:39,760 --> 02:37:41,280
>> better for them to be available

3477
02:37:41,280 --> 02:37:43,920
>> when that would take place in next

3478
02:37:43,920 --> 02:37:45,040
month.

3479
02:37:45,040 --> 02:37:46,560
>> So

3480
02:37:46,560 --> 02:37:53,510
we already did Yeah,

3481
02:37:53,520 --> 02:37:56,319
my question is I don't know

3482
02:37:56,319 --> 02:38:00,560
>> um town charter or whatever else I would

3483
02:38:00,560 --> 02:38:02,160
move

3484
02:38:02,160 --> 02:38:03,920
because it's been the second Tuesday

3485
02:38:03,920 --> 02:38:09,349
since the red seat was

3486
02:38:09,359 --> 02:38:10,399
I don't think I don't

3487
02:38:10,399 --> 02:38:11,359
>> I don't know how

3488
02:38:11,359 --> 02:38:12,880
>> I don't think that's I don't think the

3489
02:38:12,880 --> 02:38:15,920
specific day of the week

3490
02:38:15,920 --> 02:38:26,870
we can

3491
02:38:26,880 --> 02:38:29,680
But I also don't know how

3492
02:38:29,680 --> 02:38:31,439
you know

3493
02:38:31,439 --> 02:38:35,840
since I was black then I black

3494
02:38:35,840 --> 02:38:38,560
say

3495
02:38:38,560 --> 02:38:42,560
>> I would say based on participation.

3496
02:38:42,560 --> 02:38:44,800
>> Yeah. I mean, and I, you know, the good

3497
02:38:44,800 --> 02:38:46,640
thing about public meetings is that they

3498
02:38:46,640 --> 02:38:48,720
always have to be like noticed and

3499
02:38:48,720 --> 02:38:52,000
posted. And so maybe the first the first

3500
02:38:52,000 --> 02:38:54,399
maybe couple of times people are might

3501
02:38:54,399 --> 02:38:56,000
get confused and then they might look it

3502
02:38:56,000 --> 02:38:58,560
up and then they'll see online that

3503
02:38:58,560 --> 02:39:00,800
>> this is what it is.

3504
02:39:00,800 --> 02:39:02,240
>> But we can also put it out on social

3505
02:39:02,240 --> 02:39:03,840
media ahead of time.

3506
02:39:03,840 --> 02:39:07,359
>> Yeah. So, I think we should um double

3507
02:39:07,359 --> 02:39:09,840
check the charter first because that was

3508
02:39:09,840 --> 02:39:11,600
my question to Trevor

3509
02:39:11,600 --> 02:39:13,680
>> because I remember specifically it

3510
02:39:13,680 --> 02:39:15,840
saying something in there about it being

3511
02:39:15,840 --> 02:39:17,920
the second Tuesday and at one time I

3512
02:39:17,920 --> 02:39:19,760
talked to Josh about it.

3513
02:39:19,760 --> 02:39:21,760
>> Um

3514
02:39:21,760 --> 02:39:24,800
so I I'm not sure what we have to do to

3515
02:39:24,800 --> 02:39:28,000
change the charter.

3516
02:39:28,000 --> 02:39:31,200
>> Check the charter first.

3517
02:39:31,200 --> 02:39:34,000
>> It's not an official vote yet. It's not

3518
02:39:34,000 --> 02:39:36,000
a It's not an actionable item,

3519
02:39:36,000 --> 02:39:36,319
>> right?

3520
02:39:36,319 --> 02:39:39,200
>> It was more just getting a feel. Like I

3521
02:39:39,200 --> 02:39:40,800
said, the waterboard said they would be

3522
02:39:40,800 --> 02:39:47,429
agreeable to moving

3523
02:39:47,439 --> 02:39:51,830
» some of the people

3524
02:39:51,840 --> 02:39:56,160
to put in applications for the board.

3525
02:39:56,160 --> 02:39:57,600
>> I will talk to

3526
02:39:57,600 --> 02:39:58,720
>> I'm going to talk to her tomorrow

3527
02:39:58,720 --> 02:40:00,080
because I'm going to go take the packet

3528
02:40:00,080 --> 02:40:00,800
to her tomorrow.

3529
02:40:00,800 --> 02:40:02,800
>> Okay. because the first surgery she

3530
02:40:02,800 --> 02:40:04,479
wasn't

3531
02:40:04,479 --> 02:40:09,200
um she lives on my sha on that great

3532
02:40:09,200 --> 02:40:12,720
house right on the corner of my house

3533
02:40:12,720 --> 02:40:14,560
>> she had foot surgery so I told her I

3534
02:40:14,560 --> 02:40:16,240
would drop off her packet tomorrow after

3535
02:40:16,240 --> 02:40:18,800
so I can talk to her about that

3536
02:40:18,800 --> 02:40:21,280
>> so and I just wanted to say really quick

3537
02:40:21,280 --> 02:40:24,080
um that the I can look a little bit

3538
02:40:24,080 --> 02:40:26,080
deeper but overall under board meetings

3539
02:40:26,080 --> 02:40:27,680
under the charter it says the board will

3540
02:40:27,680 --> 02:40:29,680
meet regularly at least once each month

3541
02:40:29,680 --> 02:40:32,000
unless increased by ordinance at a day,

3542
02:40:32,000 --> 02:40:33,760
hour and place to be fixed by the rules

3543
02:40:33,760 --> 02:40:36,560
of proceedings of each board. So, we may

3544
02:40:36,560 --> 02:40:37,680
want to just look at the rules of

3545
02:40:37,680 --> 02:40:42,240
procedure for the the town board. Um,

3546
02:40:42,240 --> 02:40:43,600
but [clears throat] it isn't like set in

3547
02:40:43,600 --> 02:40:46,240
the chart that has to be the first two.

3548
02:40:46,240 --> 02:40:48,240
>> Okay, good. Good.

3549
02:40:48,240 --> 02:40:51,359
>> So, in general, general, we'd be okay

3550
02:40:51,359 --> 02:40:59,750
with it as we figure stuff out.

3551
02:40:59,760 --> 02:41:01,200
» Okay. That's it for me.

3552
02:41:01,200 --> 02:41:03,120
>> Okay, we got

3553
02:41:03,120 --> 02:41:07,200
nothing new there. You already done.

3554
02:41:07,200 --> 02:41:10,640
>> Yeah, but we got it welded.

3555
02:41:10,640 --> 02:41:14,389
>> It's now

3556
02:41:14,399 --> 02:41:17,280
in the demolition destruction.

3557
02:41:17,280 --> 02:41:19,840
>> Is there is there other places in town

3558
02:41:19,840 --> 02:41:21,680
that applies to

3559
02:41:21,680 --> 02:41:22,640
>> what?

3560
02:41:22,640 --> 02:41:25,439
>> That parking area that the town owns. I

3561
02:41:25,439 --> 02:41:28,399
mean, was that the only

3562
02:41:28,399 --> 02:41:30,000
He's been going around putting in signs

3563
02:41:30,000 --> 02:41:32,000
where they're supposed to be legally

3564
02:41:32,000 --> 02:41:36,731
signs put in. Um and then um painting

3565
02:41:36,731 --> 02:41:38,960
[clears throat] the red lines on the the

3566
02:41:38,960 --> 02:41:40,479
sidewalks

3567
02:41:40,479 --> 02:41:43,040
designating a no parking zone

3568
02:41:43,040 --> 02:41:44,160
>> because like you're not supposed to like

3569
02:41:44,160 --> 02:41:45,920
on tours and stuff there's like a

3570
02:41:45,920 --> 02:41:48,720
certain section where you can't park on

3571
02:41:48,720 --> 02:41:54,469
like

3572
02:41:54,479 --> 02:41:57,200
» the crosswalk you can't park.

3573
02:41:57,200 --> 02:41:59,280
I don't know. How many times I see

3574
02:41:59,280 --> 02:42:01,520
people going to Echo parking in that

3575
02:42:01,520 --> 02:42:08,870
property? You know, it's

3576
02:42:08,880 --> 02:42:11,439
» Well,

3577
02:42:11,439 --> 02:42:15,200
there was a plastic linear post there.

3578
02:42:15,200 --> 02:42:17,520
It has It's no longer

3579
02:42:17,520 --> 02:42:21,040
>> down by the place like across from the

3580
02:42:21,040 --> 02:42:24,080
beauty shop that they can't park in that

3581
02:42:24,080 --> 02:42:26,399
under that big tree or

3582
02:42:26,399 --> 02:42:28,240
>> I don't know. They don't know about

3583
02:42:28,240 --> 02:42:29,359
these

3584
02:42:29,359 --> 02:42:31,200
>> in the grassy area.

3585
02:42:31,200 --> 02:42:33,439
>> That's the grassy area is owned by

3586
02:42:33,439 --> 02:42:37,200
>> I understand that. But

3587
02:42:37,200 --> 02:42:37,520
>> yeah,

3588
02:42:37,520 --> 02:42:40,080
>> I don't talk to about that.

3589
02:42:40,080 --> 02:42:43,040
>> I don't know. But

3590
02:42:43,040 --> 02:42:44,880
>> everybody get

3591
02:42:44,880 --> 02:42:48,479
>> this the report. I gota tell you, I've

3592
02:42:48,479 --> 02:42:50,399
got some neighbors that are not super

3593
02:42:50,399 --> 02:42:53,280
happy. I getting letters saying that

3594
02:42:53,280 --> 02:42:56,640
they're occupying their uh campers,

3595
02:42:56,640 --> 02:42:58,560
>> but they're not. I'm like, how can you

3596
02:42:58,560 --> 02:43:00,720
prove that? How can you say you live in

3597
02:43:00,720 --> 02:43:02,720
that?

3598
02:43:02,720 --> 02:43:04,399
>> She didn't go in there.

3599
02:43:04,399 --> 02:43:05,840
>> You know what I mean?

3600
02:43:05,840 --> 02:43:06,720
>> I don't know.

3601
02:43:06,720 --> 02:43:08,560
>> And then you're stuck fighting.

3602
02:43:08,560 --> 02:43:12,960
>> We don't know. We don't we

3603
02:43:12,960 --> 02:43:14,640
>> Yeah, we don't we don't get to see it.

3604
02:43:14,640 --> 02:43:16,560
We separate out code enforcement and

3605
02:43:16,560 --> 02:43:18,000
municipal court. We don't have anything

3606
02:43:18,000 --> 02:43:18,800
to do with it.

3607
02:43:18,800 --> 02:43:21,120
>> Well, but I know that there's been phone

3608
02:43:21,120 --> 02:43:23,439
calls to Susie and she very quick to get

3609
02:43:23,439 --> 02:43:26,160
back at all.

3610
02:43:26,160 --> 02:43:27,120
>> Okay, that's good to know.

3611
02:43:27,120 --> 02:43:29,040
>> And I've had a couple of complaints

3612
02:43:29,040 --> 02:43:32,160
about it.

3613
02:43:32,160 --> 02:43:33,760
>> She thinks that she knows that people

3614
02:43:33,760 --> 02:43:37,359
are living in their campers.

3615
02:43:37,359 --> 02:43:39,600
>> Explain

3616
02:43:39,600 --> 02:43:41,680
she doesn't get the people that actually

3617
02:43:41,680 --> 02:43:43,439
are living in their campus. I know that

3618
02:43:43,439 --> 02:43:44,080
for a fact.

3619
02:43:44,080 --> 02:43:47,750
>> Oh yeah.

3620
02:43:47,760 --> 02:43:54,230
» Um any

3621
02:43:54,240 --> 02:43:57,680
board with cell phone use and virtual

3622
02:43:57,680 --> 02:44:00,160
attendance during meetings. Do you have

3623
02:44:00,160 --> 02:44:04,000
anything on that? Because um

3624
02:44:04,000 --> 02:44:05,520
I do.

3625
02:44:05,520 --> 02:44:06,800
>> Yeah. What did you what did you want to

3626
02:44:06,800 --> 02:44:07,680
say about it?

3627
02:44:07,680 --> 02:44:12,560
>> So I know that it's it's hard not pick

3628
02:44:12,560 --> 02:44:15,200
up our phone if it buzzes

3629
02:44:15,200 --> 02:44:16,640
>> or like somebody texting you saying,

3630
02:44:16,640 --> 02:44:19,359
"Hey, I can't hear." You know, they're

3631
02:44:19,359 --> 02:44:22,720
they can pipe up and say, "Hey, I can't

3632
02:44:22,720 --> 02:44:24,720
hear anything on your end, but can you

3633
02:44:24,720 --> 02:44:27,760
hear me? It's not working right." Um,

3634
02:44:27,760 --> 02:44:30,479
and especially during our and Josh got

3635
02:44:30,479 --> 02:44:33,439
on on you last time about using your

3636
02:44:33,439 --> 02:44:36,720
cell phone during our our meeting with

3637
02:44:36,720 --> 02:44:40,000
him in executive session. um things to

3638
02:44:40,000 --> 02:44:42,640
say who's on the other end of that phone

3639
02:44:42,640 --> 02:44:45,600
um whether you're recording it or or

3640
02:44:45,600 --> 02:44:47,439
not.

3641
02:44:47,439 --> 02:44:49,200
I just wanted to bring up the fact that

3642
02:44:49,200 --> 02:44:51,279
we we need to make sure we keep our

3643
02:44:51,279 --> 02:44:54,960
phones away while we're in a meeting in

3644
02:44:54,960 --> 02:44:56,880
order to focus on our meeting. That's

3645
02:44:56,880 --> 02:44:59,040
what we're here for is to help the

3646
02:44:59,040 --> 02:45:01,920
community. And if they see us not paying

3647
02:45:01,920 --> 02:45:04,080
attention and we're on our phone doing

3648
02:45:04,080 --> 02:45:06,000
whatever, then they're not going to

3649
02:45:06,000 --> 02:45:08,720
think that we're in it for them. you

3650
02:45:08,720 --> 02:45:11,439
know, that's that's my point. And so, I

3651
02:45:11,439 --> 02:45:13,120
just want to make sure that during our

3652
02:45:13,120 --> 02:45:17,200
meetings, our phones stay away wherever.

3653
02:45:17,200 --> 02:45:19,279
And if there is an issue, an emergency

3654
02:45:19,279 --> 02:45:21,359
or anything like that, I can see that.

3655
02:45:21,359 --> 02:45:22,800
But, but how would you know if there's

3656
02:45:22,800 --> 02:45:24,399
an emergency if you can't look at your

3657
02:45:24,399 --> 02:45:25,040
phone?

3658
02:45:25,040 --> 02:45:26,160
>> Um, [clears throat]

3659
02:45:26,160 --> 02:45:28,880
well, I guess I could call town hall.

3660
02:45:28,880 --> 02:45:31,279
>> Nobody's going to answer the phone.

3661
02:45:31,279 --> 02:45:34,080
>> We're right here. We can hear ring in

3662
02:45:34,080 --> 02:45:36,479
the office, but uh yeah, walk through

3663
02:45:36,479 --> 02:45:37,200
that door.

3664
02:45:37,200 --> 02:45:40,150
>> Okay.

3665
02:45:40,160 --> 02:45:42,160
I mean,

3666
02:45:42,160 --> 02:45:44,640
I got a 10-year-old 200 feet away by

3667
02:45:44,640 --> 02:45:46,399
himself.

3668
02:45:46,399 --> 02:45:56,790
>> So, I could have

3669
02:45:56,800 --> 02:46:05,830
» some of that information out to people.

3670
02:46:05,840 --> 02:46:10,469
But anyway,

3671
02:46:10,479 --> 02:46:13,200
anyhow, that's all I got to say. Anybody

3672
02:46:13,200 --> 02:46:17,670
else have anything to add?

3673
02:46:17,680 --> 02:46:28,630
» I did, but I forgot what it was.

3674
02:46:28,640 --> 02:46:31,040
» Yes, please.

3675
02:46:31,040 --> 02:46:34,070
And

3676
02:46:34,080 --> 02:46:37,990
» are we

3677
02:46:38,000 --> 02:46:44,469
meeting at 9:15 p.m.

3678
02:46:44,479 --> 02:46:48,640
>> Thank you.