[0:11] Good evening everybody. Have an
[0:13] invitation.
[0:15] position tonight.
[0:19] Stand for the flag of
[0:27] the United States of America and to the
[0:30] republic for which it stands. One nation
[0:34] under God, indivisible, with liberty and
[0:37] justice for all.
[0:44] likely to call this meeting to order at
[0:46] 7:04 p.m. Sasha, could you do a rolling
[0:51] >> here? Trusty Smith
[0:52] >> here.
[0:53] >> Trusty Wland
[0:54] >> here.
[0:54] >> Trusty Stone
[0:55] >> here.
[0:55] >> Trusty Sh
[0:56] >> here.
[0:58] You have
[0:59] >> And also present is Lindsay.
[1:02] >> Yes, Lindsy.
[1:03] >> Lindsay Sloan. Thank you.
[1:06] >> Um
[1:10] and then agenda.
[1:13] Do we have approval of our agenda this
[1:15] evening?
[1:24] » All those in favor say I.
[1:27] >> Those same names.
[1:30] [clears throat]
[1:31] >> And the agenda has been approved by the
[1:33] whole council.
[1:36] Public comment. Do we have anybody
[1:37] signed up for public comment this
[1:39] evening? Anybody online?
[1:46] » Not gonna have to read that. No public
[1:48] comment.
[1:51] >> Okay. Work sessions updating the town's
[1:54] building code.
[1:56] >> Presentation by
[2:05] see all of you. I've seen some of you
[2:07] already, but good to see you and put a
[2:09] name that uh with the rest of you. My
[2:11] name is Tom Pitchk. I'm the building
[2:13] official for the county. I work for
[2:15] state build. Uh I've been your building
[2:18] official now for
[2:20] two and a half years. Um but just a
[2:23] little background with me, I've been at
[2:25] this for 30 plus years. So, um done this
[2:29] a long time. Um this is my first
[2:33] presentation to you guys. Please don't
[2:35] hesitate to ask questions. That's what
[2:37] this is about. Um, what I'd like to
[2:40] present tonight is updating the building
[2:42] code for the town to the 2024 codes. The
[2:46] 2027 are going to be coming out in
[2:49] January. Um there is a requirement with
[2:53] the state that you're no three codes
[2:57] behind code cycles which are every three
[2:59] years behind on your energy code.
[3:04] Because of that
[3:06] we need to adopt a new code.
[3:10] The state somewhat in their own way
[3:13] mandate that we keep up and that's one
[3:16] of the ways they do it.
[3:17] >> What's the penalty if [clears throat] we
[3:18] don't
[3:21] Good question. That would be a good
[3:24] question to put towards your
[3:29] » just
[3:33] [clears throat]
[3:34] don't take this remotely personal.
[3:38] I think
[3:45] » we were
[3:48] a few years ago I s
[3:50] and there was a big push for us to go
[3:53] from I can't remember what it was
[3:56] >> 12 to the 18 probably
[3:58] >> I think that yeah
[4:01] >> now here's the thing that nobody
[4:02] explained to us
[4:05] um and part of that it it it
[4:09] was presented in a similar fashion that
[4:13] you know this is going to be mandated by
[4:16] the state and the Elmer County did this
[4:18] and you know we need to do but nobody
[4:23] and I want to dive off for a second in
[4:25] the political realm that I hate doing
[4:28] that but
[4:30] there's a lot of chatter about
[4:33] affordable housing and all this going um
[4:35] in big cap. Okay.
[4:39] When we went from 12 to 18, you change
[4:41] the build price of a house because of
[4:45] the added extra energy
[4:49] mandated. You don't get to choose.
[4:51] You're just told cuz we're in a free
[4:53] country.
[4:55] You added anywhere from $10 to $16 a
[5:00] square foot.
[5:02] But all of a sudden I and it been a
[5:07] terrible
[5:08] um
[5:10] and so I [clears throat] have I have a
[5:13] hard time.
[5:16] I mean I realize what our governor
[5:18] thinks but at the same time I don't work
[5:21] for him.
[5:22] >> Neither do I.
[5:24] >> Right. I work for this town. I work for
[5:26] the people here. I work for the future
[5:29] of this. So,
[5:34] I I kind of hijacked your deal early.
[5:37] Please walk me through this, but if you
[5:39] can't explain, explain because it wasn't
[5:43] at the time. And and after we proved
[5:45] that, then I had two contractors sit me
[5:48] down and they said, "Do you realize
[5:49] that, you know, if you pour a concrete
[5:53] floor shop that you have to have this
[5:56] and this and this under the concrete
[5:57] because it's supposed to be insulated.
[5:59] It's a flipping old barn shop, but
[6:03] because of the building codes, that's
[6:05] what we have to do. Um, and so I guess
[6:10] as you go through, if you could explain
[6:12] because it's going to change the cost. I
[6:14] mean, there's nothing our government
[6:17] does to us that ever makes anything
[6:19] cheaper.
[6:20] >> Agreed.
[6:21] >> And and all the the crap for the
[6:25] electrical and lights on my light bill.
[6:27] I've got every LED whatever crap light
[6:29] bulb in my house. My bill still comes
[6:31] though. So
[6:34] anyway,
[6:35] >> I do have a slide in here that addresses
[6:38] the increase in cost
[6:40] um from the energy code basis. I can
[6:44] tell you um part of the reason that I
[6:50] want to skip the 21 code is because it
[6:55] was probably one of the most stringent
[6:58] unobtainable
[7:00] energy codes ever written.
[7:03] Being honest, very difficult. Um, I'll
[7:08] be honest,
[7:12] in a roundabout way, probably some those
[7:15] of us in the industry
[7:17] are responsible.
[7:19] We let industry get a hold of the energy
[7:21] code and of course they randomly
[7:25] um so the requirements in the 21 code
[7:28] were a lot of industry based
[7:30] requirements.
[7:32] Those of us that have been in this
[7:34] industry for years um saw that saw that
[7:38] it was not obtainable, saw that it had
[7:40] gotten out of control and got very
[7:44] involved in the code cycle for the 24
[7:47] and the 27 to bring that back into
[7:52] shall I say a reality state.
[7:56] So you said the 24 code two parts of the
[7:59] 21 is dialed back so
[8:01] >> quite a bit. The energy code is dialed
[8:03] back quite matter of fact
[8:07] a lot
[8:09] 18 energy and the 24 energy tote. I'll
[8:12] be honest with you again I have a slide
[8:15] uh home builders association
[8:18] just so you know you're talking about
[8:19] builders. All the builders are members
[8:22] of the homebuilders association. They
[8:24] did a a actual uh cost analysis.
[8:29] The difference between the 18
[8:32] and the 24
[8:34] just energy code. The additional cost
[8:38] for an average 2500 home
[8:42] 200 bucks
[8:47] » all together.
[8:48] for energy.
[8:51] We're talking about
[8:54] That just electricity or electricity and
[8:56] gas?
[8:56] >> Possible to build it. To build it, the
[9:00] additional cost to build it. That may
[9:02] not be the cost passed down to
[9:05] but the cost to the building. The
[9:08] additional cost according to the home
[9:10] builders association, which is nowhere
[9:14] a building by any means. They represent
[9:17] home builders. Um they did the analysis
[9:21] on a national level and there's about
[9:25] $200 cost between 18.
[9:30] Between 12 and 18 it's a lot lower.
[9:33] between 18 and 21 at the moment.
[9:37] Now that we've dialed back the 24 is
[9:40] really not exactly the same but very
[9:43] close to the 18
[9:46] just to give you a head so that you
[9:48] better understand what I'm here to
[9:50] present.
[9:59] » So energy code is 99%
[10:04] is you asking about all the codes across
[10:07] the board obviously would apply to
[10:09] everything commercial residential um
[10:12] even the new school
[10:14] all of that I can give you a great idea
[10:17] and the state architectural's office
[10:20] which is the one who will control the
[10:24] new school as far as what code to build
[10:27] under has adopted the 2024 code.
[10:32] So when a new school comes in, it'll be
[10:33] based off
[10:36] because the state of course controls it.
[10:44] There were a few things that changed in
[10:47] section 114 about the duties and powers
[10:50] of the building official. They were all
[10:52] good things as far as I'm concerned. Of
[10:54] course, being a building official, it
[10:56] gave us a little bit more control to be
[10:58] able to take care of things when they go
[11:00] wrong.
[11:01] Uh, one of those is
[11:04] there's a sub section underneath it for
[11:07] inspection warrants under the right of
[11:09] entry. It basically gives me the ability
[11:13] to actually get a warrant to be able to
[11:15] go into somebody's house under right of
[11:17] entry when they're doing something wrong
[11:20] under building code. Otherwise, I have
[11:23] no right and I have no right to walk
[11:26] into any of your houses tomorrow and say
[11:29] this doesn't become that doesn't become
[11:31] that's not what it gives me. What it
[11:33] gives me is the ability to share
[11:37] a warrant not cooperation from somebody
[11:40] who's decided they wanted to build a
[11:42] house and they don't want to follow the
[11:44] rules.
[11:46] So, it's a good thing, not a bad thing.
[11:49] And I'm not big on going into any of
[11:53] these I don't have my business.
[11:57] I promise you I live in a house that was
[11:59] built in 1980
[12:01] does not make correct
[12:03] absolutely does not that code
[12:07] but it doesn't make cor
[12:14] but they don't have there is nothing
[12:17] that forces you to update your home to
[12:21] meet current code new work home but your
[12:25] existing um you don't have anything that
[12:29] meets or or requires you to meet
[12:34] the way to get nor do I want to way too
[12:38] much.
[12:42] » So with the new technology
[12:45] going
[12:47] no this is what this is about. This is
[12:49] exactly what this is about. I love the
[12:51] questions.
[12:52] >> So when when you add on to when we have
[12:54] all the regulations and new um
[12:57] [clears throat] materials probably.
[13:00] >> Um
[13:02] >> yeah. Okay. So
[13:05] say the electrical, if the electrical is 1980s,
[13:10] is it recommended to change that or
[13:12] would it be
[13:14] >> only
[13:16] the new
[13:18] whether that's a remodel or an addition?
[13:21] Those are the parts that we inspect.
[13:23] That's the only right I had to inspect.
[13:26] So when I go in to inspect those items,
[13:28] I'm going in and looking at that
[13:30] additional.
[13:31] I'm not looking at anything else in your
[13:33] home, nor do I have the right to.
[13:37] >> Okay, I get that.
[13:39] >> So then it would apply to repairs as
[13:41] well as opposed to a new addition. But
[13:44] if, god forbid, something happen, it
[13:46] would apply to that.
[13:47] >> Correct. It would. And most
[13:49] insuranceances, hopefully if you're
[13:50] doing something went wrong and you had
[13:53] catastrophic, the fire, flood, whatever.
[13:56] uh your insurance. Most insurance
[13:58] policies have what they call code
[14:00] upgrade to them to where it will pay for
[14:03] the additional cost to bring up whatever
[14:05] that repair is to the current code
[14:07] standard.
[14:09] Not all policies but most do.
[14:13] There was some changing on exterior
[14:16] walls firewall construction especially
[14:18] on multif family. So if somebody wanted
[14:20] to build a duplex in town,
[14:23] most of the time we had what they call
[14:25] an imaginary lot line that would go
[14:27] between those duplexes. There was a lot
[14:30] of confusion in past code cycles as to
[14:33] how that worked and how the firewalls
[14:36] worked on that lot line, the imaginary
[14:38] one that's not really there on paper,
[14:40] but it's there for building purposes.
[14:43] They did some clarification in the 24
[14:45] code to help clarify that so that it was
[14:48] more for builders and for fishes on how
[14:52] to apply that when we do plan review and
[14:54] inspection.
[14:55] >> So that was something that changed.
[14:57] >> Same thing for condos.
[14:58] It'll be a little
[15:01] bit different.
[15:02] So multifamily. Yes. Once you get over
[15:05] certain numbers of units, you start to
[15:07] get into the IBC instead of the IRC,
[15:11] >> which is completely different code. It's
[15:14] basically the commercial code because of
[15:16] the number of units. Um and same thing
[15:20] they did some clarification in how those
[15:22] firewalls exist but they weren't there
[15:24] to start with in the bill in the IDC
[15:27] then they were in the IRC so we asked
[15:29] for some clarification on that
[15:32] particular item and got it adopted to
[15:34] the 24 code and it's remained in the 27
[15:38] also
[15:39] >> I'm in real estate so Sure.
[15:48] Two family dwelling. There was always a
[15:50] question about horizontal separation.
[15:54] You get a dwelling unit that's above and
[15:55] below. Even on a two family, not common,
[15:58] by the way, for two family dwelling
[16:00] units to have a horizontal separation.
[16:03] Typically, when you see two families,
[16:05] it's a vertical. So, you have a unit
[16:07] here and a unit here. It's becoming a
[16:10] lot more common now to do this and stack
[16:13] them.
[16:15] Reason why
[16:17] ground costs money.
[16:20] I can stack units can go up on the same
[16:24] footprint
[16:25] and I use up less lot than if I have to
[16:28] put them side by side. So I can get more
[16:30] square footage by stacking units on top
[16:33] of each other on the same size lot. Make
[16:36] sense?
[16:37] So they did some clarification. They did
[16:39] start talking about notice uh for smoke
[16:43] and fire alarms so that if there were a
[16:45] fire downstairs, it would annunciate
[16:47] also to the people in the second story
[16:50] so that uh they weren't sound asleep
[16:53] with the building burning down around
[16:55] them. So there was some clarification
[16:57] put in for that.
[17:01] We had some clarification on sleeping
[17:03] loops.
[17:04] Everybody talking about uh tiny homes or
[17:08] trying to get more per footage in a
[17:10] smaller footprint. Sleeping loss are
[17:13] becoming more and more
[17:16] and they were not directly addressed in
[17:18] the code. They are now. So in the 18
[17:21] code, they're not directly addressed.
[17:24] It's difficult for a building official
[17:26] to know how to apply that and when and
[17:28] how the regulations apply to a sleeping
[17:30] area. That's a sleeping loft. We've now
[17:34] clarified that there was also uh
[17:38] clarification added for separate hands, of guards and how those apply. Um
[17:46] again,
[17:47] doesn't directly affect most of these
[17:49] I'm talking to you about don't affect
[17:54] some do but on a very scale
[17:58] and also one of those things they
[17:59] adjusted it to clear heights doesn't affect the cost of putting in
[18:05] hand rail in the state. It's just a
[18:08] clarification item. But these are the
[18:11] big items especially for us
[18:15] because we're asking to clarify ways to
[18:18] do our job and to make sure it's clear
[18:21] for those who are homeowners
[18:24] and designers.
[18:29] sleep offs ceiling heights not less than
[18:32] seven feet for 50% of the space. This is
[18:35] some of the clarification we were given
[18:36] for lofts. What's considered a sleep off
[18:40] um permanent eress is required whether
[18:43] that's ladders or stairs.
[18:46] Ladders have to be inclined 70 to 80°
[18:49] and horizontal.
[18:51] What's driving a lot of this? Believe it
[18:53] or not, tiny home
[18:56] getting some clarification because most
[18:58] tiny homes that's exactly what they are
[19:00] asleep is a sleep.
[19:04] They wanted to use removable ladders
[19:09] space time
[19:12] ladders that are vertical.
[19:16] They're unsafe for means of egress to
[19:17] get in and out of that area, especially
[19:19] if you're half asleep.
[19:22] So again, a lot of clarification put in
[19:26] to this. For most of us, a straight up
[19:29] and down ladder is an issue if you're
[19:31] wide awake, much less sound.
[19:36] Energy storage and vehicle protection.
[19:40] We have not had one out here yet, but I
[19:43] guarantee you there's a time coming,
[19:46] especially with the the new craze for
[19:48] soil that people right now, most 99% of
[19:52] the ones I've met.
[19:57] Most 99% of those are what we call DD
[20:02] system. The energy produced by the solar
[20:05] panels on the roof are put directly back
[20:08] in the grid.
[20:09] and it's deducted off your electrical
[20:11] bill.
[20:13] Storage, on the other hand, the energy
[20:16] is put into a battery bank that's
[20:19] typically in your garage 99.9% of the
[20:23] time. They do now make some weatherproof
[20:25] ones that can go outside. Um, but
[20:28] extremely expensive. They're expensive
[20:31] to start with. Um, but they're typically
[20:34] lithium batteries. They're placed in a
[20:40] unit, a storage container inside your
[20:44] garage. They store the power
[20:47] and then when you need it, when you're
[20:49] using more energy than the solar
[20:51] producing, they pull that power back out
[20:53] of those batteries.
[20:57] Great.
[20:57] >> Except we've all seen the new fires,
[20:59] right, with let's say electric cars.
[21:02] Same battery systems, by the way.
[21:06] They don't do well with being
[21:09] damaged.
[21:11] They typically will start
[21:13] not always.
[21:17] » You know, so to prevent a lot of that
[21:22] from happening, they now came in with
[21:24] some new regulations on if you're going
[21:26] to put energy storage in your garage,
[21:28] you have to provide protection, very
[21:31] specific impact protection.
[21:34] wood barriers or an approved means that
[21:37] can resist the impact of 2,000 pounds
[21:40] per square foot 24 in above
[21:45] the ground.
[21:46] >> The ventilation required
[21:48] >> ventilation requirements. Most lithium
[21:51] ion does not require ventilation.
[21:54] Some do depending on how they're
[21:56] produced and how they're packaged and so
[21:59] on, but they don't off gas typically
[22:02] like lead acid batter for instance.
[22:05] >> So they don't have any off gas. They're
[22:07] sealed. Hence the reason they don't like
[22:09] to be damaged
[22:10] >> because they break and then you start to
[22:14] get a heat and fire and so on. Um this
[22:18] is something that was added. It's the only added cost other than the
[22:23] protection itself is they've also added
[22:25] a 20 minute self-latching self-closing
[22:28] door between your garage and the house.
[22:32] I will tell you most builders put a
[22:33] 20-minute door in already.
[22:37] The only difference is is the self
[22:39] closing self.
[22:41] So if I were to put solar on my house,
[22:45] they would have to come in and inspect
[22:47] it too.
[22:47] >> It would require a permit and then we
[22:49] would come out in
[22:52] part of that requirement comes from the
[22:55] electric. So they will not put a meter
[22:58] in without us inspecting it first. So
[23:02] there's a break in what they look at and
[23:04] what
[23:06] they look at everything. easiest way to
[23:09] describe it, they're responsible for
[23:11] everything up to the top side of your
[23:12] meter, your electrical heater. We're
[23:16] responsible for everything below it.
[23:19] They don't like and don't want the
[23:21] liability of energizing something and
[23:23] have a house burn down. So, they require
[23:26] us to go in and do an electrical
[23:28] inspection beforehand or the state in
[23:31] this case
[23:33] um to look at that and make sure that
[23:37] everything's checked on the back side
[23:39] before they actually allow their energy
[23:41] to go into it. Make sense?
[23:43] >> Yeah. We also look at whether your house
[23:46] can take the solar. So, there is an
[23:48] additional load placed on your wall when
[23:51] you put solar panels. We review to make
[23:54] sure that you indeed have proper roof
[23:58] that will support that additional load.
[23:59] Last thing you want to do is try to save
[24:01] energy by putting solar on and have your
[24:03] roof collided
[24:11] requirements for that protection for
[24:14] that energy storage. Let me put it in
[24:16] there to show you how complicated this
[24:19] can get and why it requires permitting
[24:21] and requires us to review it is here's
[24:24] how depending on where that energy
[24:27] storage is placed what the requirements
[24:29] are to prevent it from being damaged and
[24:31] obviously having
[24:35] this became a huge issue
[24:39] the more design they come up with now on
[24:42] hand
[24:44] instead of it being supported because
[24:46] now the big design is open. We want
[24:48] those areas wide open. So, they've been
[24:52] supporting them off the floor.
[24:55] There were no requirements on how that
[24:56] forward was built to support that
[24:59] additional
[25:01] load being applied to your floor. All
[25:04] against our grad supposed to prevent you
[25:07] from falling off of the stairs.
[25:10] >> There was no requirement on how the
[25:12] floor had to beed up to take that
[25:13] additional load. We all think about
[25:16] guardrails. Through the years, they were
[25:17] designed to be supported by a law.
[25:21] Because this openness started to become
[25:23] more and more of an issue, they now put
[25:26] a requirement in the code of what that
[25:28] door has to be able to withstand so that
[25:32] if one of us trips and falls, which I'm
[25:34] doing,
[25:36] and hits the guard rail, the floor
[25:38] system itself will support that
[25:41] additional dope applied to it when it's
[25:44] when I fall against it so that the
[25:46] guardrail actually does what it's
[25:47] supposed to.
[25:49] >> Good addition.
[25:51] saying that they can't hear you.
[25:57] » First,
[25:58] >> I've always said I'm too loud.
[26:03] » Let's see if I can fix that. We had some
[26:05] problems with that last meeting.
[26:11] Okay.
[26:15] » Okay. See if they can hear it now.
[26:18] >> Can everybody hear me now?
[26:25] that last
[26:30] I don't think anybody's talking so
[26:32] nobody can hear
[26:40] » again
[26:42] if they give you another text from there
[26:47] » I'm going to try to face
[26:52] Maybe
[26:57] scared
[26:58] >> here. Let me do this, too. I did this
[27:00] last time and that seemed to help, too.
[27:03] >> Okay.
[27:05] >> Yeah. Now, oh, okay.
[27:07] >> Good.
[27:08] >> Okay. Yep. Go ahead. We'll
[27:09] [clears throat] try. All right.
[27:12] Behind deck ledgers was a word that was
[27:14] added to reiterate the fact that the
[27:16] barrier has to be continuous behind the
[27:19] ledger. We were getting into flashing
[27:22] issues where people were saying well it
[27:24] doesn't say that that flashing has to go
[27:26] completely behind the ledger. So I put
[27:28] flashing above it and that's all that's
[27:31] required. That was not the intent of the
[27:34] code. So the language is was added in
[27:37] there to say no,
[27:39] it has to be continuous behind the
[27:41] ledger that attaches to your house. You
[27:44] have to flash completely behind it as a
[27:46] water barrier. That's what that flashing
[27:49] does to prevent water from getting
[27:51] inside your building structure. Um you'd
[27:54] be amazed that the builders deck
[27:56] builders did not want to do this.
[27:59] They wanted to argue what it says.
[28:03] So we added language in there or asked
[28:05] ICC to add language in there
[28:09] indicated that barrier completely so
[28:17] seems like a pretty common sense thing
[28:19] but should be
[28:23] [clears throat]
[28:24] I picked this picture just for
[28:33] It is probably one of the most
[28:36] controversial things that have come
[28:38] along in my lifetime. Again, I I've been
[28:40] doing this 30 plus years. When I started
[28:43] this, there was no such thing as energy
[28:45] code, green code, any of those other
[28:47] codes. They have come along through the
[28:49] years and become more and more prevalent
[28:52] and of course for numerous reasons. A
[28:54] lot of them, I'll be honest, I have my
[28:56] own opinion is political. Um, but that's
[28:59] neither here nor there. They're here and
[29:01] they're here to stay. Um, and like it or
[29:04] not, the municipalities have to deal
[29:07] with them. Um, they have given us
[29:12] three ways to meet their need. So, it's
[29:15] not a black and white thing anymore.
[29:17] Used to be you had a prescripting
[29:18] method. That was it. You use R13
[29:21] [snorts]
[29:22] insulation in the walls, R38 insulation
[29:25] in the attic. Uh depending on how you
[29:28] built your floor system, you had an R
[29:29] value that was put in the floors and you
[29:31] were done. That was it. Years ago, that
[29:34] was it. We've now come up with basically
[29:38] different methods in which to accomplish
[29:42] energy code compliance.
[29:44] prescriptive is one of them and it's
[29:47] probably depending on the building
[29:50] become the more difficult method to meet
[29:54] compliance.
[29:56] You have prescriptive, you have
[29:58] simulated performance and you have EOI.
[30:01] All of those things are basically to
[30:03] simplify it a tradeoff method.
[30:07] So if I have a certain U factor, which
[30:10] is the energy factor in a window, let's
[30:13] say that I'm required to put in,
[30:17] if I find that if I go a little bit
[30:19] higher on that U factor and that window
[30:22] only costs me, for instance, $60 more,
[30:26] but because of that, I can put less
[30:29] insulation in my attic. And that
[30:32] additional insulation was going to cost
[30:34] me
[30:37] $300 more. Why wouldn't I do it? Still
[30:41] get the end result, but I'm able to do
[30:44] it in a cheaper fashion.
[30:47] So, it's basically a tradeoff method.
[30:50] And there are programs out there who
[30:52] will actually will actually do this for
[30:54] them.
[30:56] So it's it's actually
[30:59] again technology has come a long way but
[31:02] there are programs out there that any
[31:03] one of you can download on your computer
[31:06] put in the square footage put in what
[31:08] direction your house faces which gives
[31:10] you plus or minuses too because of solar
[31:13] gain and you're able to plug in what
[31:17] you're going to build and it can tell
[31:18] you whether you're going to be
[31:19] compliant. It can also tell you that if
[31:22] you didn't if you do less here, what you
[31:25] have to do elsewhere to make up for it.
[31:28] Pretty neat systems out there nowadays
[31:30] that help builders
[31:32] help building departments figure out
[31:34] whether you're going to be compliant
[31:36] with energy bill. So, it has gotten to
[31:40] your response better.
[31:43] Not perfect, but better. I will not say
[31:47] that it's a perfect system. and and you
[31:49] and I can talk offline about energy
[31:51] code, but um it's it's not a perfect
[31:55] system, but it certainly has gotten
[31:57] better than it was. There was a huge
[32:00] cost increase between 2012 and 18. No
[32:03] doubt. No doubt. Wouldn't argue that at
[32:05] all.
[32:07] As I said, that increase based on the
[32:11] home builders association, not info I'm
[32:14] trying to tell you, but info that the
[32:15] homebuilders association has put out
[32:17] there. the increases now minimalized. I
[32:21] won't say it's cheaper. Nothing's
[32:23] cheaper. Go fill up your gas tank.
[32:28] It's not cheaper. It's not cheaper to
[32:30] build anything today,
[32:34] but we're hoping to to mitigate that
[32:38] down to as small a dollar amount as we
[32:41] can. Does it benefit the town
[32:45] the cost of their money? has no benefit
[32:51] that I know maybe you guys know I don't
[32:53] know as long as you're building
[32:59] based on this is the slide I was talking
[33:01] about based on the current cost
[33:02] comparison from national HBA committee
[33:06] so this is national homebuilders from 18
[33:10] to 21
[33:12] cost increase went up $3,500
[33:16] 18 to 21. 21 to 24 the cost decreased by
[33:22] 36.
[33:25] If you do the math that tells you the
[33:27] difference between a 21 code, a 24 code
[33:31] that I was speaking about.
[33:36] The price technically
[33:38] has gone down.
[33:44] There was a huge increase between 18 and
[33:46] 21
[33:48] and that's when we got more involved
[33:50] like I said and said this is ridiculous.
[33:52] This is not something that can be with
[33:54] stern. We just can't do it. It was
[33:56] getting to a point where it was getting
[33:58] almost impossible to build a new family
[34:00] structure. And I'll be honest with you,
[34:03] I don't currently know any jurisdiction
[34:08] that has adopted the 21 energy code.
[34:12] I know jurisdictions in one of my
[34:14] jurisdictions adopted the 21 codes but
[34:17] stayed on the 18 energy code for this
[34:21] exact reason.
[34:23] That makes my life miserable because
[34:26] different code cycles don't talk well.
[34:31] So it is extremely difficult to
[34:34] enforce an 18 code with a 21 code for
[34:37] instance. Uh I highly recommend any
[34:41] jurisdiction not do that. Not unless you
[34:44] want to see not only your building
[34:46] official with white hair but both
[34:48] [laughter]
[34:50] because it will drive oh and possibly
[34:53] because it'll cause me to drink and it
[34:55] will lose what hair I have left and I'm
[34:59] looking right.
[35:04] your haircuts.
[35:07] >> And you have to buy the shampoo.
[35:08] >> I cut my own. So, I mean,
[35:11] [laughter]
[35:13] >> it's a really nice job styling.
[35:15] >> I will tell you with this code adoption,
[35:18] there will be some additional costs and
[35:20] it's because of the state mandating code
[35:22] that you're going to have to adopt
[35:24] anyway with state legislation. though it
[35:26] has nothing to do with what I want or
[35:28] what I'm recommending. The state passed
[35:31] legislation, just so you know, and
[35:32] there'll be a slide on it, on EV ready
[35:35] and solar ready codes. It was passed by
[35:38] the state and I see your attorney
[35:40] shaking her head, so I know she knows
[35:42] where I'm going with things. Go ahead.
[35:47] >> Energy heal trusses. This was a big
[35:49] issue that came up and here's a perfect
[35:51] example of what what's going on. And it
[35:53] was a big issue about how do I keep the
[35:55] insulation heavy enough or full depth
[36:00] at the edge of my roof
[36:03] because most roofs do this and you have
[36:07] this small area at the edge where the
[36:10] wall is and no ability to put in 18 20
[36:15] in of insulation.
[36:19] builders and the wonderful people that
[36:21] they are came up with solutions. This is
[36:24] that solution. If you look the heel of
[36:26] that truss is taller.
[36:29] They account for it in the overall
[36:31] height of the building. They make the
[36:33] attic space taller at the heel so that
[36:36] they can meet the R value requirements
[36:38] and still keep energy code compliant.
[36:41] Pretty neat thing that came out for a
[36:42] long time. We struggled with this
[36:45] because they wanted it all the way to
[36:46] the outside wall and the right it it was
[36:49] impossible
[36:51] again
[36:53] perfect example.
[36:55] They wanted that and they required it
[36:58] and they didn't give us a way to do it.
[37:01] Trust manufacturers were not doing this.
[37:06] So finally there was a solution.
[37:10] [laughter]
[37:14] » It's just a few small changes.
[37:19] Famous last words, right? I'm with the
[37:21] government and I'm here to help.
[37:27] There are always changes and this is a
[37:30] very
[37:32] broad large overview. There are more
[37:35] changes. There are lots [snorts] of
[37:36] changes. Um, asphalt shingles have to be
[37:40] fastened to wood structural panels or
[37:43] solid lumber sheet. You go to the next
[37:45] slide.
[37:46] >> Yeah, here's a perfect example. So,
[37:48] there was no there was a question as to
[37:50] what solid sheathing meant. And of
[37:53] course, a lot of the houses right here
[37:55] in town had that second picture where it
[37:58] says lumber sheathing. The house is
[38:01] older, but back in the day, they didn't
[38:02] have plywood. They use one. That's what
[38:05] they used on the outside walls and
[38:07] that's what they used on the roof. There
[38:09] was interpretations going around for
[38:12] years.
[38:14] If you had that kind of roof, you had to
[38:16] put plywood on top of it before you get
[38:19] reshing.
[38:21] That was not the intent of the code. I
[38:23] did not enforce it that way, but there
[38:25] were building officials who work. So the
[38:28] cost of rebirththing your house went up
[38:32] quite a bit especially to the price of
[38:34] plywood nowadays
[38:36] not
[38:38] the meaning behind the code if you look
[38:40] at the first picture was when you had
[38:43] space sheeting.
[38:45] So this was done a lot with tile roofs
[38:48] to save weight
[38:51] and because save cost back when we built
[38:54] slate roofs that kind of roof they would
[38:56] do space sheathing. So they would take
[38:58] one by steel but they would leave
[39:00] anywhere from 4 to 12 in gap between
[39:05] each board.
[39:07] You can't put an ashalt shingle roof on
[39:10] that kind. And if you look here, you'll
[39:12] see there's OSB on there because they're
[39:14] starting to add OSB cheat sheeting to
[39:16] that roof. It was a clarification that
[39:19] was put in there. And I am thrilled that
[39:22] it was because I have had more than my
[39:25] fair share of arguments with us building
[39:27] officials going, "That is not what the
[39:28] code means. You guys are wrong."
[39:32] And now I was proven right for a change.
[39:35] [clears throat]
[39:37] Mechanical changes.
[39:40] There have been a few mechanical
[39:41] changes. They're very small. Uh clothes
[39:44] dryers installed in closets have to have
[39:46] makeup air openings now. So, it used to
[39:49] be um that and if you go to the next
[39:52] picture, I'll give you an example. If
[39:54] this was a dryer, this is what a dryer
[39:57] in a closet quote unquote looks like. Um
[40:02] there was no
[40:04] outside no combustion requirement to
[40:07] happen in there. There was nothing that
[40:09] brought fresh air into that dryer
[40:12] that got put in the coat and it was put
[40:15] in there no matter whether it was gas or
[40:17] electric.
[40:18] Didn't matter if it was a gas or an
[40:21] electrical. Great addition to the code.
[40:25] Dryer fires are huge.
[40:29] » So what about the ones that are
[40:32] [clears throat] like that now that is
[40:34] this just for new ones? This is for me.
[40:38] Giving not retroactive
[40:40] to go into your house and go. When you
[40:43] put your outside air into your closet,
[40:46] >> the
[40:48] air
[40:53] » I will not say they're very dangerous.
[40:56] They're more dangerous. We've done it
[40:58] for years that way.
[41:00] That doesn't mean that it's right. we've
[41:02] learned through failures
[41:06] what we need to change and make better.
[41:09] I don't ever mean to scare anybody and
[41:12] say, "Oh, you need to do this or you're
[41:14] going to have a dryer fire tomorrow." By
[41:16] the way, doing this doesn't guarantee
[41:17] you're not going to have a dry fire. My
[41:20] recommendation is, and most people don't
[41:22] ever do this. When was the last time any
[41:24] of you cleaned your dryer? So,
[41:30] » I I do, too.
[41:32] You're some of the few.
[41:34] >> Yeah, I I go down my basement and take
[41:36] the piping out.
[41:40] >> That's the dryer fire issue. And if you
[41:44] don't have air going in, your dryer
[41:46] loses performance. So, it's not as
[41:49] likely to carry that mint out of the
[41:52] duck work and put it outside where it
[41:54] belongs. That's part of the reason why
[41:57] this was put in. You may have plenty
[42:00] enough ventilation that doing well in in
[42:02] the location it's at and the way it's
[42:04] set up. Now, it's required to be done
[42:07] this way so that we know it's done that
[42:10] no matter what.
[42:10] >> I think the dryer sheets were getting
[42:13] blown up onto the roofs of the town
[42:16] homes.
[42:19] Yeah.
[42:23] » Mine mine is in the closet of in my
[42:25] kitchen. I've got a vent fan in the
[42:29] ceiling and then I like I always go down
[42:33] and I clean it and
[42:36] then it just goes from the kitchen to
[42:39] the
[42:40] go up the wall outside. It goes down
[42:44] into the space
[42:46] and then down.
[42:48] >> See, mine's on the second story, but it
[42:51] goes straight up and out the road.
[42:53] >> But when I put it there, because I put
[42:55] it there, I the clean out.
[43:02] » I just take the clean out,
[43:04] >> dump all the lint,
[43:06] >> put it back,
[43:07] >> damn. I I my sister and I did this years
[43:11] ago where we took a toilet brush and
[43:14] wound a paper round.
[43:18] >> They actually make them where you can
[43:20] buy them. to clean it out with brushes
[43:22] and extension poles that you can put
[43:24] right on it and brush the duct work
[43:26] right out and you will be
[43:29] >> So when did this go into affecting the
[43:32] 24?
[43:34] So, I have a question about
[43:36] refrigeration because I see a lot of new
[43:38] builds with an enclosed refrigerator
[43:42] or um you know and the enclosed
[43:45] dishwashers of course,
[43:46] >> but the enclosed refrigerator where they
[43:48] have it looking like part of the
[43:51] cabinetry in the kitchen.
[43:54] >> So,
[43:55] with the ventilation on the back side of
[43:58] the refrigerator,
[44:00] >> how how is that?
[44:01] >> So, the new compressors use
[44:07] a lot less
[44:10] air space around the tool
[44:13] still requires a certain amount of
[44:14] airspace. Every manufacturer is
[44:17] different.
[44:19] builders when they do that for us, if I
[44:23] see that, they have to provide me a
[44:25] manual that shows me what the airspace
[44:27] requirements are around that
[44:28] refrigerator and I verify that it can
[44:31] indeed be installed the way the
[44:32] builder's done.
[44:34] >> That's
[44:36] it. It varies from manufacturer to
[44:38] manufacturer as to what the requirements
[44:40] are, including how big is the
[44:42] refrigerant,
[44:44] where's the compressor mounted. Some of
[44:46] the newer ones, they're mounting the
[44:47] compressors on top, which they've done
[44:50] on commercial refrigeration units for
[44:52] years.
[44:53] >> They're now starting to do that for
[44:54] residential.
[44:56] That's part of the reason why
[44:59] >> to look at that next time.
[45:03] new refrigerants.
[45:10] We have been required
[45:12] because there
[45:15] the side effects of the refrigerants
[45:17] that you see in AC units or even
[45:22] refrigerators.
[45:24] They have changed the requirements for
[45:27] our refrigerants. This is something that
[45:29] went into effect just FYI nationwide,
[45:32] not just in this state, but across the
[45:34] country. And this went into effect
[45:35] January 1st. We now anything new other
[45:40] than that produced in our basically new
[45:43] old stock now have to use what they call
[45:47] an H2L refrigerant.
[45:50] It is basically believe it or not.
[45:57] Bulk of the refrigerant is propane
[46:04] because it doesn't hurt the environment
[46:07] like our current state.
[46:10] But
[46:14] what does propane do?
[46:18] Right.
[46:20] And they lower to the ground than other
[46:24] refrigerants which are lighter gas.
[46:27] >> And this
[46:30] they were used as as bombing
[46:33] bombs in World War II.
[46:35] >> And so and
[46:37] so that's why the sharpshooters came in place. They dropped those propane
[46:42] tanks and then go along and ship them.
[46:46] If you have a house that is propane heat
[46:51] >> and it does not have air conditioning,
[46:54] >> how do you
[46:56] have a how do you put air conditioning
[46:58] into that house if propane?
[47:01] >> So, it's a completely separate system.
[47:03] It can be added to any AC
[47:07] cooling can be added to any heating
[47:09] system no matter what it is, electric,
[47:12] propane, natural gas. Um the only where
[47:16] the only place you can't add it to it
[47:19] where you have to actually add duct work
[47:21] is like a steam system or a boiler
[47:23] system because they don't have duct. You
[47:26] need duct to carry the cold air.
[47:30] >> Same thing. That's the only other
[47:32] exception. Also, since it does not have
[47:34] duct work, you would need to put in what
[47:37] we call an air handler. basically a
[47:39] blower motor and a coil and duct work to
[47:44] carry that cold air throughout the
[47:46] house.
[47:47] Otherwise, I can add it on to any
[47:50] existing system, including the one in
[47:52] here.
[47:54] AC can be added to just about anything.
[47:56] The big thing that you have to watch is,
[48:01] and my house is a perfect example, my
[48:03] house was built 1980. Back in 1980, very
[48:06] few houses here in Colorado were
[48:08] designed to have AC. We just didn't put
[48:12] it in.
[48:13] >> It wasn't something that anybody thought
[48:15] about out here. So, what you got was
[48:17] swamp coolers, which I still have, by
[48:19] the way, and I don't have central air.
[48:22] The reason I've never put it in my house
[48:26] is because to cool a house it takes
[48:29] approximately and this is a very
[48:31] generalization
[48:32] twice the air flow to cool a house than
[48:34] it does to heat a house.
[48:37] The duck work in my house is not big
[48:39] enough because if it's never designed
[48:41] for AC.
[48:43] So for me to try to cool my house is
[48:46] extremely difficult, extremely
[48:48] expensive, and they would not have a
[48:50] very cool house because my duck would
[48:52] just carry it. My neighbors all built
[48:54] the same time frame all complain about
[48:57] their $450
[48:59] electric bills in the summertime,
[49:02] especially this summer. and they walk in
[49:05] my house and go, "You suck. Your house
[49:07] is cooler than mine and you don't have
[49:09] AC because I still use a swamp pool."
[49:13] >> Is the swamp cooler going in like from a
[49:16] window? Like
[49:18] >> it is actually mounted on the roof into
[49:20] the ceiling upstairs in the hallway and
[49:22] then I use fans to distribute it
[49:25] throughout the house.
[49:26] >> Just like fans that sit on the floor
[49:27] like
[49:28] >> box fans and some bigger ones
[49:31] >> and I love it. The 100 degree days do
[49:33] we've had, I've kept my house, as long
[49:35] as I get ahead of it, get the swamp
[49:38] cooler, turn it on early. My house is
[49:40] about 71 degrees.
[49:41] >> Do you have to have water?
[49:43] >> I have water up up into the swamp pool.
[49:46] Yes.
[49:46] >> How did you do that?
[49:47] >> It runs up through my attic. So, it runs
[49:50] up inside the wall.
[49:51] >> Oh, just through the plumbing.
[49:53] >> It runs I have my own line that runs up
[49:55] just to that small pool through the
[49:57] wall. So, it's hidden and then goes up
[49:59] into my attic and then goes from my
[50:01] attic up onto the roof and into the
[50:03] swamp.
[50:03] >> We had one like that, too. It was almost
[50:05] like the uh the piping that runs into
[50:07] your fridge to make your ice.
[50:09] >> Very similar.
[50:10] >> Small line.
[50:11] >> Yeah, it was very small line. And then
[50:12] it just does a continuous.
[50:15] >> But anyway, this refrigerant is now and
[50:18] there's there's low flammabilities on
[50:22] these. They make different lower levels
[50:24] of these and they actually have one like
[50:27] an A1 refrigerant that doesn't have any
[50:29] flame probability. It doesn't have the
[50:31] ability. It doesn't have it has such a
[50:33] small amount of propane in it that it's
[50:36] not flammable. So you giving up one
[50:38] thing for another to some level.
[50:44] We up
[50:47] a little bit of the fire hazard. Keep in
[50:49] mind the quantity that is put into the
[50:53] average house system is so small that it
[50:56] doesn't affect it whatsoever. The big
[50:59] place where this starts to play in is
[51:01] commercial systems where you you have a
[51:03] very large amount of refrigerant
[51:06] like schools.
[51:08] >> So is the same odorant put in
[51:11] this kind of propane?
[51:14] >> Yes.
[51:15] >> And there are some very specific
[51:16] requirements. So if you have over a
[51:18] certain amount, you actually have to
[51:20] build what's called a chase. So the
[51:22] refrigerant lines have to actually be
[51:24] inside an enclosed chase that goes
[51:26] directly to the outside so that if there
[51:29] was a leak, it would not leak inside the
[51:32] unit, whether that's commercial or
[51:34] residential, it would be vented directly
[51:36] to the outside to prevent any of these
[51:39] issues.
[51:41] >> Is the new school going to have air
[51:43] conditioning?
[51:45] I'll let you know when I see the
[51:46] drawings, but I can't imagine any school
[51:48] in this day and age because of the cost
[51:50] of retrofitting that won't. I I I will
[51:54] to answer your question, yes. I cannot
[51:57] imagine that they're going to build a
[51:59] school without AC nowadays. They just it
[52:02] costs so much money to retrofit schools
[52:05] that they're costing now that there's no
[52:08] way I can imagine that they're designed.
[52:10] Here's the thing. There's nothing in
[52:12] building that requires AC.
[52:15] Requires heat. Doesn't require AC.
[52:20] Can you imagine a commercial building
[52:22] nowadays without AC?
[52:25] I can't either. I suppose it's possible,
[52:28] but highly unlikely.
[52:33] [clears throat]
[52:34] Food gas.
[52:36] There's some small changes in fuel gas.
[52:38] It has its own by the way. Combustion
[52:40] airs can't be taken from indoor or
[52:43] outdoor where they're flammable
[52:45] products.
[52:48] Gas pip and tubing fittings have to be
[52:50] cleared from defects. It used to be,
[52:52] believe it or not, I have had builders
[52:54] argue with me when have been doing a a
[52:57] gas piping inspection and I see a
[53:00] damaged fitting and they say it's not
[53:02] leaking.
[53:04] I don't have to replace it.
[53:08] Now they do.
[53:10] got put in.
[53:13] Here's a big y'all. Remember the house
[53:17] about
[53:19] years ago up north that blew up because
[53:23] of a abandoned gas line?
[53:28] » Anybody remember that?
[53:31] It was huge.
[53:33] It damaged that house and two other
[53:35] houses next door. Now
[53:39] all abandoned fuel gas piping has to be
[53:42] purged. You have to purge all the gas
[53:44] out.
[53:46] It can't. It used to be you just
[53:47] abandoned it. You capped it off. You
[53:49] forgot about it.
[53:52] >> It was not required.
[53:55] >> There are a lot of buildings
[53:58] that I like like the damage fittings.
[54:03] You're required to do I'm required to do
[54:05] a pressure test to verify that that gas
[54:08] piping system holds pressure.
[54:11] Nowhere in the code did it say if I saw
[54:14] one damaged, if it was still holding
[54:17] pressure, I could not make the builder
[54:20] replace it because the code said hold
[54:24] pressure.
[54:27] Now,
[54:29] so the reason these things are being put
[54:30] in code is for these reasons. Because
[54:33] you'd be amazed at what a builder does
[54:35] or does not want to do. Everything I
[54:38] make him do, whether I like whether he
[54:40] likes it or not, could and only does
[54:44] cost him money.
[54:48] When he has to replace a fitting, pull
[54:50] the whole system down, pull that fitting
[54:52] out, buy another fitting, put another
[54:54] fitting in, put it all up on test, call
[54:57] me back out again the next day to
[54:59] inspect it again on test. That cost him
[55:02] time and money.
[55:08] Plumbing changes.
[55:10] One of the big things that we brought up
[55:12] in plumbing was water heaters. They're
[55:14] required to have a pan underneath them.
[55:17] The code requires that you put a pan
[55:18] underneath, but there was nothing in the
[55:21] code that said
[55:23] that the bottom area that had insulation
[55:27] in every water heater had to be above
[55:30] the lip of the pan. So, if you did have
[55:33] some form of water leak,
[55:36] guess what happens to the whole bottom
[55:38] of your water?
[55:40] It gets completely filled with water and
[55:43] soaked and and we all know insulation
[55:46] gets ruined if it gets wet and so on. So
[55:50] they now have put in the code that you
[55:52] have to have the bottom of that water
[55:54] heater has to be constructed in a manner
[55:56] that keeps it up above the flood level
[55:59] or the top of the paint.
[56:03] Silly little things but make a huge
[56:06] difference for everybody. You as a
[56:07] homeowner especially. Um they changed
[56:11] and said that you could only So we all
[56:13] know lead's bad, right? Lead poison is a
[56:16] bad thing.
[56:17] Lead's been in tanks for water heaters
[56:28] that limits how much lead can be in
[56:30] that.
[56:33] So even though we were taking lead out
[56:35] of solder that held the pipe together,
[56:38] we were not allowed to use lead pipe
[56:40] anymore.
[56:42] There's standards for the water
[56:43] department has to keep their lead levels
[56:45] at certain levels so on and so on and so
[56:47] on. There was very very few if any
[56:50] regulation on how much lead was in the
[56:53] steel tank that your hot water was put
[56:54] in.
[56:58] » I have to ask what the smoke and
[57:00] peppermint test was.
[57:05] » Okay. So there used to be a for your
[57:08] drain drain waste and B, there used to
[57:11] be a test in the code that requires you
[57:15] to either smoke or peppermint test for
[57:18] leaks.
[57:25] » They would actually put a smoke bomb in
[57:27] the pipe
[57:29] >> and then look for smoke to come out of
[57:31] the pipe at any joints, anything like
[57:34] that. The other way around that
[57:37] was pepper.
[57:39] One of the easiest things for people to
[57:42] smell
[57:44] a proven fact is that your nose is very
[57:47] sensitive to the smell of peppermint.
[57:49] So you would use a peppermint oil
[57:53] and basically you all seen a fog
[57:55] machine. Mhm.
[57:57] >> So you would put peppermint oil in that
[58:00] >> and put that in.
[58:03] >> Maybe you walk around the house
[58:07] » the things you have to do as a
[58:11] [laughter]
[58:15] » those requirements have been removed.
[58:22] Bio energy and solar ready code. This
[58:25] was, believe it or not, introduced in
[58:27] July of 2023. I find it hard to believe
[58:30] that it's been that long.
[58:32] This goes into effect when you adopt any
[58:36] new codes.
[58:39] You have to adopt this. That's the way
[58:41] the the state legislation is written.
[58:45] I'm not telling you that. The state is
[58:47] telling you that and your attorney can
[58:49] back this up. Here's the thing that sort
[58:53] of pushes this to the limelight. Anyway,
[58:57] we all know,
[58:59] don't know, I'll let you the electrical
[59:02] code in the state of Colorado is
[59:04] controlled by the state of Colorado.
[59:07] That is a minimum code that we have to
[59:10] follow.
[59:12] We don't get it. You don't get a choice.
[59:14] I don't get a choice. The state adopts
[59:16] it. They give you one year to enforce it
[59:18] in your jurisdiction from the their date
[59:20] of adoption.
[59:23] Period.
[59:24] State law. Don't have a choice.
[59:28] I don't have a choice. You all,
[59:31] we write new ordinances to say that
[59:34] we're going to
[59:37] fulfill whatever this the state adopted
[59:40] building code is
[59:42] so that we don't have to come to you
[59:43] every three years and go, "Okay, now we
[59:45] need to adopt a new energy or a new
[59:47] electrical code because the state has."
[59:49] So to prevent that, we just state that
[59:51] we're going to enforce the state adopted
[59:54] electrical code.
[59:56] That's why
[1:00:00] The state
[1:00:03] just adopted a new electrical.
[1:00:07] >> You guys don't have a choice, but you're
[1:00:09] going to have to adopt a new electrical.
[1:00:13] What does this slide say?
[1:00:21] There we go.
[1:00:22] Your local jurisdiction should have this
[1:00:25] listed. This code introduced it to
[1:00:29] become a requirement to adopt along with
[1:00:32] adoption of the codes.
[1:00:35] The state basically has forced you
[1:00:38] whether you like it or not to adopt the
[1:00:41] model energy and solar people. You have
[1:00:44] to
[1:00:46] you don't have to like it. And you can
[1:00:48] absolutely when your constituents ask
[1:00:50] you why in the world we adopted this
[1:00:52] code, you do have the ability to say
[1:00:56] because the state required us to, not
[1:00:58] because we wanted to, not because our
[1:01:00] building official recommended we do it
[1:01:03] because the state required it. And your
[1:01:05] attorney can speak
[1:01:07] in the future if you guys want to know
[1:01:09] how that works. Um, but we are going to
[1:01:13] have to adopt that code
[1:01:16] or I don't know I don't know what does
[1:01:18] anybody know what happens if we don't.
[1:01:21] >> The law doesn't have specific like
[1:01:24] sanctions. Um, it's more that
[1:01:28] um code violations could be challenged
[1:01:32] if the if the town hasn't properly
[1:01:35] adopted codes that it's supposed to. Um
[1:01:38] or people could there's like the kind of
[1:01:41] off risk that um somebody could sue the
[1:01:44] town and try to basically force the town
[1:01:47] to comply with state law.
[1:01:50] >> But yeah, but under state law there
[1:01:51] isn't like a you know an enforcement
[1:01:54] mechanism in terms of like oh this town
[1:01:56] hasn't adopted it therefore they owe the
[1:01:58] state this much money or something.
[1:02:00] >> I heard
[1:02:02] guys that the state
[1:02:06] entertained
[1:02:08] withholding state funding
[1:02:11] the jurisdictions who are not enforcing
[1:02:13] it.
[1:02:15] It's clearly rumor.
[1:02:16] >> Yeah,
[1:02:17] >> there's nothing backing that up. There's
[1:02:19] >> there's something
[1:02:22] doesn't give us anything.
[1:02:23] >> Sure.
[1:02:24] >> Yeah.
[1:02:26] I'm assuming if a [clears throat] lot of
[1:02:28] people want a bucket,
[1:02:30] you know, the state
[1:02:33] they'll mandate whatever the penalties
[1:02:36] for
[1:02:38] that's
[1:02:39] would be my guess. That's an opinion
[1:02:43] based on
[1:02:49] go back then and ask a question about
[1:02:53] plans
[1:02:55] or
[1:02:57] house fans or
[1:03:00] >> that are on the roof
[1:03:01] >> that turn.
[1:03:02] >> Yes.
[1:03:02] >> Mhm.
[1:03:03] >> Are they efficient?
[1:03:04] >> They are. They are because they don't
[1:03:07] most of them don't require electricity.
[1:03:10] They work by heat. So the heat rising up
[1:03:13] to it, heat rises. As the heat goes up
[1:03:15] through it, it turns which moves more
[1:03:18] air. So they they are way more efficient
[1:03:22] than just a standard
[1:03:25] and do that.
[1:03:28] Probably not as efficient as a ridge.
[1:03:33] >> I don't know what that is. But how do
[1:03:34] you in how like if you just have a roof
[1:03:37] um an asphalt roof, do they just cut a
[1:03:39] hole in the
[1:03:41] >> Yep. Ridge vent is a vent that's all the
[1:03:45] way across the entire peak of your the
[1:03:47] ridge.
[1:03:50] » Most builders now ridge bending because
[1:03:53] it's so efficient. So keep keep in mind
[1:03:56] heat rises so it goes to the highest
[1:03:58] point and gets forced out.
[1:04:02] The highest point of your roof is the
[1:04:03] ridge. If you can create make that
[1:04:06] entire ridge a bank.
[1:04:08] >> So which one is less expensive than
[1:04:13] >> it is?
[1:04:14] I just got a um shed in
[1:04:19] >> has been long.
[1:04:20] >> Yeah, sheds are wide open
[1:04:24] >> inside and out. So, the heat builds up
[1:04:26] in there and it's almost overwhelming if
[1:04:28] you go into a shed in the summertime.
[1:04:31] >> What is it? Is it's just a um it's just
[1:04:34] a plastic vent.
[1:04:36] >> It's a plastic vent that's shaped to the
[1:04:38] roof, whatever your pitches and they
[1:04:41] shingle over top of it. So, it's
[1:04:43] designed to have shingles put right over
[1:04:45] top of it. So, it looks just like the
[1:04:47] ridge on your roof currently, except it
[1:04:50] sits up about that much higher. So, you
[1:04:52] barely even notice that it's there.
[1:04:54] >> And on a metal roof, you can do
[1:04:57] >> they actually make ridge bending for
[1:04:59] metal. Also,
[1:05:06] » heard that. So, good to know. Here
[1:05:10] are some of the three main requirements
[1:05:11] that are going to go in with this model
[1:05:13] energy solar code. New buildings, all
[1:05:17] new buildings, keep that in mind, must
[1:05:19] have provisions for an all electric
[1:05:21] operation of all the heating hot water
[1:05:24] cooking enclosure.
[1:05:27] Doesn't mean you have to use an electric
[1:05:29] appliance.
[1:05:31] It means that there has to be provisions
[1:05:34] there.
[1:05:35] If somebody wants to put in, let's say
[1:05:38] you have a natural gas furnace and
[1:05:41] somebody feels that they want an
[1:05:43] electric furnace,
[1:05:45] the circuit to run that electric furnace
[1:05:48] has to be there.
[1:05:51] Doesn't require you to use an electric
[1:05:53] furnace. Just means that the provisions
[1:05:55] for it to be electric has to be there.
[1:05:59] Would it be vice versa?
[1:06:02] Would you have to have gas?
[1:06:04] >> There's no requirement
[1:06:06] currently for gas. The whole idea is to
[1:06:09] try to push obviously this is the model
[1:06:12] electric ready code is to push
[1:06:14] electrical. They're trying to go back to
[1:06:16] an all electric house.
[1:06:19] >> 1970.
[1:06:21] >> Yep.
[1:06:24] uh use less
[1:06:28] >> use less uh
[1:06:32] >> dinosaur fuel in your home.
[1:06:35] >> You're still going to have to burn.
[1:06:38] >> It's just that's I mean seriously
[1:06:42] >> coming coming from a town where that was
[1:06:44] a thing. It's
[1:06:48] >> I don't quite understand it. Although
[1:06:50] they will claim that it is more
[1:06:51] efficient, I can tell you that in this
[1:06:54] state,
[1:06:57] it doesn't personally
[1:07:00] make sense. So all the electric in this
[1:07:03] state is is produced two ways.
[1:07:08] Natural gas
[1:07:11] or coal.
[1:07:13] And my knowledge right now, and somebody
[1:07:15] can correct me, I think there's only one
[1:07:17] coal plant left. old fire plant. It's
[1:07:20] down in that's the only plant left that
[1:07:24] has not converted over to natural gas.
[1:07:26] >> Craig is coming back as well.
[1:07:29] >> I heard there was one that they wanted
[1:07:31] to bring back.
[1:07:32] >> Yeah,
[1:07:32] >> I think they're [clears throat]
[1:07:34] doing like retro on it now because I
[1:07:37] know the owners of it said they didn't
[1:07:39] want the I think it was the one cell
[1:07:43] they they had started dismantling it
[1:07:46] >> and then when
[1:07:49] The government said, "No, I want that
[1:07:51] bag back up." Now they have to rebuild
[1:07:54] it. Please, my dad helped build that
[1:07:56] plant. My youngest brother went out
[1:07:58] there and helped us now.
[1:08:00] >> They wanted that using
[1:08:03] natural gas in homes. I don't quite
[1:08:06] understand how using electric in homes
[1:08:08] and just using the natural gas in a
[1:08:10] power plant instead of in the home is
[1:08:12] any better, but that's their rationale.
[1:08:14] If you would like more information, I
[1:08:16] encourage you to to the state
[1:08:19] >> because I've not gotten any clear
[1:08:22] thought process for that. Um it will
[1:08:26] >> I worked in the gas field. There is
[1:08:28] enough gas at that time to power us and
[1:08:34] China.
[1:08:35] >> Yep.
[1:08:36] >> But they won't.
[1:08:37] >> Especially in this state,
[1:08:39] >> we're one of the largest producers of
[1:08:41] natural gas in the country.
[1:08:43] >> One, not but one.
[1:08:47] New buildings must have provisions for
[1:08:48] the installation of solar panels. You're
[1:08:51] not required to put them on, but the
[1:08:53] provisions have to be there to be able
[1:08:55] to put them on. In other words, you have
[1:08:57] to run a conduit up through wall goes up
[1:09:00] to your attic so that they have the
[1:09:02] ability to run lines from your solar
[1:09:05] system back down. That's it.
[1:09:09] There's the black and white of it.
[1:09:12] New buildings must have provisions for
[1:09:14] the installation of electrical vehicle
[1:09:16] chargers in the garage. One of the two
[1:09:20] spaces, if there's two spaces, one of
[1:09:22] the two spaces has to have an electrical
[1:09:24] receptacle for a charger,
[1:09:27] which is a 40 amp receptacle. Keep in
[1:09:30] mind,
[1:09:32] >> 220 40. So, you have to have a
[1:09:35] >> you have to have a system a a panel
[1:09:38] large enough for these additional
[1:09:41] things. By the way, doesn't mean you
[1:09:43] have to use them. Doesn't mean that they
[1:09:45] have to. You just have to have backup
[1:09:46] panel large enough to be able to put it
[1:09:48] in. Basically, you're not going to build
[1:09:50] a house nowadays without a 200 amp panel
[1:09:52] anyway. You just may have to put a
[1:09:54] larger panel with more circuits
[1:09:57] available than what you would typically
[1:09:59] put in.
[1:10:03] New buildings must have provisions to
[1:10:05] switch any non-elect electrical system
[1:10:07] to an electrical system to provide the
[1:10:09] same performance as the electrical. So
[1:10:11] in other words, if uh you have a gas
[1:10:13] water heater, you have to have a circuit
[1:10:16] at the water heater
[1:10:19] or an electric water heater if they want
[1:10:21] to switch to that at the same
[1:10:23] performance level as the gas one. So in
[1:10:26] other words, I just put a 40,000 BTU gas
[1:10:29] water heater in. You have to have one a
[1:10:32] circuit large enough to power a 40,000
[1:10:36] BQ electric water heater. You can't So a
[1:10:40] builder can't go put electric over
[1:10:43] there, but I'm going to put electric in
[1:10:44] there large enough to put 20,000 BT
[1:10:46] electric.
[1:10:48] You can't do that. has to be large
[1:10:50] enough to protect length for life.
[1:10:56] » Compassion equipment must have a
[1:10:58] dedicated circuit size. And this
[1:11:00] includes, by the way, stoves.
[1:11:05] I prefer gas stove over,
[1:11:10] but you now have to have that reception.
[1:11:14] And I'll be honest, this is not as big
[1:11:16] as issue as anybody makes it out to be.
[1:11:18] There is not a builder I know of today
[1:11:21] that if they put in a gas stove, not all
[1:11:24] of them did, but if they put gas piping
[1:11:26] in, they put a receptacle.
[1:11:30] They don't know if a building does not
[1:11:34] because they the first thing you're
[1:11:36] going to hear from the homeowner is,
[1:11:37] "Well, we got an electric range and
[1:11:39] there was no plug."
[1:11:41] They don't know what that homeowner is
[1:11:43] going to put in there.
[1:11:46] So, not all of them
[1:11:48] offer gas as an option.
[1:11:55] Even with gas, they only
[1:12:00] exceptions to
[1:12:04] fireplaces that are not used as the main
[1:12:07] means of heating
[1:12:09] and any fire pits or fireplaces outside.
[1:12:13] You don't have to have an electric
[1:12:15] circuit outside in case you want to put
[1:12:17] an electric fire pit in.
[1:12:21] Commercial sustain residential
[1:12:24] additions that don't have any new
[1:12:26] systems are exact.
[1:12:31] Solar ready zones. This is the
[1:12:33] requirement for the solar ready on your
[1:12:35] roof. You have to have a solar ready
[1:12:36] zone. There's not very many houses left
[1:12:39] built today unless they're extremely
[1:12:41] small. And if they are, there's an
[1:12:42] exception in here that allows you to be
[1:12:46] exempt from it based on the square
[1:12:48] footage. But there are not there's not a
[1:12:50] house built typically anymore today that
[1:12:52] doesn't have a solar ready roof zone. In
[1:12:56] other words, a roof large enough to put
[1:12:58] in what's required, which is 300 square
[1:13:02] foot of solar ready area. I don't know
[1:13:04] anybody building houses that tiny
[1:13:07] anymore.
[1:13:09] Tiny homes maybe. But again, now they're
[1:13:12] exempt.
[1:13:17] Next.
[1:13:23] EB
[1:13:25] building.
[1:13:27] Eddie.
[1:13:29] Like I said, each garage, bay, or
[1:13:33] parking space shall be divided for one
[1:13:35] EV ready space. What that means is they
[1:13:38] have to put a 40 amp 220 circuit in the
[1:13:43] garage.
[1:13:48] You can use one receptacle
[1:13:50] for two spaces
[1:13:53] long as it's within 3 ft of each other.
[1:13:57] So there are some some exceptions in
[1:13:59] there. Um the receptacle is not needed
[1:14:02] if they already have a charger
[1:14:03] installed. We're seeing more and more of
[1:14:05] that, too. Surprisingly enough, with the
[1:14:07] amount of electric cars out there now,
[1:14:10] >> I'm amazed at the amount of new build
[1:14:12] houses that are actually coming with EV
[1:14:15] chargers already built in the garage.
[1:14:22] All the buildings have to have
[1:14:23] provisions for the charging of
[1:14:24] electrical vehicles. What I just was
[1:14:27] telling you, you have to have that 40
[1:14:28] amp breaker in the panel and that 40 amp
[1:14:32] circuit in the garage.
[1:14:36] [snorts] Next.
[1:14:43] Anybody heard of the wild?
[1:14:51] » That is another requirement coming in.
[1:14:54] Not so bad here. There are some areas
[1:14:56] where it's going to be extremely
[1:14:58] difficult.
[1:15:02] » I'm [clears throat] done.
[1:15:04] >> Okay. Thank you.
[1:15:06] >> Went lot longer than I wanted to, but
[1:15:10] that's why I'm here, guys. It's to to
[1:15:12] help you. Um I have not obviously at
[1:15:16] this point written any ordinance. This
[1:15:19] is the beginning of all that to come
[1:15:20] back to you later on with an ordinance
[1:15:23] to adopt code.
[1:15:27] Obviously, it's not a requirement. I
[1:15:29] don't give the the power to delegate to
[1:15:33] you guys what to do. I present to you
[1:15:36] what I recommend as your building
[1:15:37] official and you guys get the final say.
[1:15:41] And Trevor, you've been extremely quiet.
[1:15:45] [clears throat]
[1:15:45] >> I see you have more questions for me.
[1:15:50] » [laughter and clears throat]
[1:15:53] » Maybe you just answered what you needed
[1:15:54] to answer.
[1:15:55] >> I hope so. That's why I'm doing and and
[1:15:59] if you have questions, um I will leave
[1:16:04] you with some cards that you're more
[1:16:06] than welcome to give them. Both my cell
[1:16:08] number and my office number is on there.
[1:16:12] something comes up, you have a builder
[1:16:13] that comes to you and asks you, you
[1:16:16] know, why do you guys want to do this?
[1:16:18] It's going to cost all this money and so
[1:16:19] on, and you have questions, call me.
[1:16:22] That's what I'm here for. That's part of
[1:16:23] the service that we provide for you. So,
[1:16:27] please don't hesitate to reach out to
[1:16:28] me.
[1:16:30] You're not bothering me. This is my job
[1:16:34] and I am a cookie.
[1:16:41] like what I do.
[1:16:45] >> It's an illness.
[1:16:47] >> He's my goto guy.
[1:16:54] » I grew up in it. My dad
[1:16:59] was a general contractor. So I started
[1:17:02] sweeping floors
[1:17:05] and
[1:17:07] grew up in this and then decided I'd
[1:17:09] like to have some body left by the time
[1:17:11] I got to my age. So, I got out of
[1:17:14] actually doing it and started getting
[1:17:17] into reinforcement for the code. So, and
[1:17:20] I truly enjoy it.
[1:17:23] I enjoy this, too. I really do. I enjoy
[1:17:26] being able to speak to
[1:17:27] >> to board members and help them
[1:17:30] understand why we do codes, what the
[1:17:32] codes consist of, uh, and hopefully get
[1:17:35] rid of
[1:17:37] disinformation.
[1:17:40] The cost has come back. I promise you.
[1:17:43] And I would agree with you that I've
[1:17:44] heard that and there wasn't a huge
[1:17:46] increase from 12 to 18, but that cost
[1:17:50] has come way down between 18 and 24.
[1:17:57] » Well, thank you.
[1:18:02] » Thank you.
[1:18:04] I appreciate policy.
[1:18:06] >> Thank you.
[1:18:08] >> All right. Pull yours up.
[1:18:12] So, now we're going to move on to town
[1:18:14] policies.
[1:18:16] Um, [clears throat]
[1:18:17] automated vehicle identification system
[1:18:19] presentation by Lindsay Sloan,
[1:18:22] assistant town attorney.
[1:18:24] >> Yeah. Um, so I know that you have
[1:18:29] already been you've already had some
[1:18:31] presentations about um, Avis from the
[1:18:36] vendor docka and I just kind of wanted
[1:18:39] to go ahead and chat with you a bit more
[1:18:43] about it from um, a legal standpoint,
[1:18:46] right? um just kind of give you a bit
[1:18:48] more of the highle understanding of what
[1:18:50] legal considerations you should keep in
[1:18:52] mind when considering whether to adopt a
[1:18:56] regulations and then if you do kind of
[1:18:58] what the steps are and what policy
[1:19:01] considerations um you may want to think
[1:19:03] through. So um
[1:19:06] over so I'll be trying to keep it high
[1:19:08] level here and I actually I turned out
[1:19:10] the slides so that we don't I don't have
[1:19:12] to go into the nitty-gritty of all of
[1:19:14] it. Um, but this way if you ever want to
[1:19:17] refer back to it, you can see the
[1:19:20] different legal requirements um for Avis
[1:19:22] regulations and just be able to look at
[1:19:24] it in like an easy to digest um way. So,
[1:19:31] like I mentioned, um
[1:19:34] yes, please. So, um you've already heard
[1:19:38] I think quite a bit about the statutory
[1:19:42] requirements. I just want to reiterate
[1:19:44] that state law governs the use of um ais
[1:19:48] technology for enforcement of speeding
[1:19:51] and traffic laws and um so any system or
[1:19:56] regulations that the town put in place
[1:19:57] would have to follow those statutes
[1:20:00] pretty close like pretty closely and
[1:20:02] there isn't a lot of wiggle room um even
[1:20:04] though the town is um a home rule town
[1:20:08] and so any regulations we put in place
[1:20:11] we want to make sure that we're
[1:20:12] following all of the required um notice
[1:20:16] periods to um to drivers and um that
[1:20:22] we're we're mailing and we're mailing
[1:20:26] out citations in the correct way and
[1:20:28] things like that. Um so if you get any
[1:20:33] specific questions about the law or like
[1:20:36] talking through this like please feel
[1:20:36] free to ask and interrupt me and we can
[1:20:38] chat through it. Um [clears throat]
[1:20:42] So
[1:20:44] again, you've heard a lot of the
[1:20:46] statutory requirements around this. I
[1:20:48] think one thing that I really wanted to
[1:20:50] hone in on was the fact that under the
[1:20:54] statute, um, compensation to vendors
[1:20:58] have to be based on the services and
[1:21:00] equipment that they provide and they
[1:21:02] cannot be tied to revenue from fines.
[1:21:06] So, they also can't be based on um
[1:21:09] basically the vendor getting more money
[1:21:11] because they're issuing more citations.
[1:21:14] And I think that's just really important
[1:21:15] to point out because I think you'll see
[1:21:18] that I think you'll kind of find that
[1:21:20] first of all, there are multiple
[1:21:21] different vendors out there that do
[1:21:23] this. But then second of all, I think
[1:21:25] there's going to be situations where
[1:21:26] they aren't as familiar with Colorado
[1:21:28] law and they're going to try to tell
[1:21:30] you, "Oh, well, we say like, you know,
[1:21:33] it doesn't really it's not tied to that.
[1:21:35] Don't worry about it." But when you
[1:21:36] really actually look at the payment
[1:21:37] structure, their revenue will go up
[1:21:40] based on the number of citations. So
[1:21:41] it's something that you know um Kim and
[1:21:44] I would be looking at closely if we're
[1:21:47] if and when we're looking at contracts
[1:21:48] for this. Um
[1:21:51] >> okay.
[1:21:53] So, as we've mentioned, um
[1:21:57] I believe in the past,
[1:22:00] in order to set up an Avis program and
[1:22:04] start enforcing this, you have to adopt
[1:22:06] an ordinance um that sets forth all of
[1:22:10] the different requirements, right? And
[1:22:15] um
[1:22:16] I think one of the things to keep in
[1:22:18] mind with that is that
[1:22:21] a big part of what you'll be deciding in
[1:22:24] terms of what would go a policy decision
[1:22:26] of what would go into this ordinance
[1:22:28] would first of all be where you would
[1:22:31] want this technology to be. Um but then
[1:22:35] also how much you know what charges you
[1:22:38] would want to enforce and what um
[1:22:42] penalties what amount of penalties you
[1:22:44] want for those. So, there are statutory
[1:22:46] maximums. Um, but the town can kind of
[1:22:50] determine like do you want to always
[1:22:52] issue that maximum amount? Do you want
[1:22:54] to go lower in some cases? Um, so
[1:22:58] that'll just be something to consider
[1:23:01] when adopting the uh regulations.
[1:23:06] So, as I mentioned, one of the
[1:23:10] biggest decisions that really needs to
[1:23:12] go into this before an ordinance is
[1:23:16] completely drafted and passed is the
[1:23:19] decision of where these would be
[1:23:21] implemented because um the ordinance
[1:23:24] itself will need to will need to put
[1:23:27] that forward. And um [clears throat]
[1:23:30] when it comes to there's different
[1:23:32] there's certain authorized roadways that
[1:23:34] it they can be implemented and um
[1:23:39] in order to do a designated corridor. So
[1:23:42] that would just be something that
[1:23:43] doesn't fall under those other
[1:23:44] categories but there is a lot of
[1:23:46] speeding and um the town is really
[1:23:49] trying to reduce speeding in that area.
[1:23:52] Um you have to devote studies to uh that
[1:23:56] include five year the past uh sorry
[1:23:59] quantitative quantitative data for the
[1:24:01] past five years that kind of show um
[1:24:04] that there's a lot of speeding in that
[1:24:05] area um and that so that the town can
[1:24:08] really showcase like this is why we have
[1:24:11] this here um and why it's necessary and
[1:24:16] um so far Dakra
[1:24:19] did a little bit of studies. They put
[1:24:22] out some some kind of tech to get some
[1:24:25] insight, but it was only a six day
[1:24:27] study. And you know, I was talking with
[1:24:30] Kim about it, too. And in general, they
[1:24:32] didn't collect any data for the school
[1:24:35] while the school's own school is in
[1:24:37] session. Um, and there's also
[1:24:40] >> Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. Um, and they also,
[1:24:44] you know, haven't been able to collect
[1:24:46] data on the bridge because it's under
[1:24:48] construction. So I think right now Kim
[1:24:51] and I were kind of looking at what's
[1:24:54] already completed by Dakra and in
[1:24:57] general we were thinking that it it
[1:24:59] could be beneficial to spend you know if
[1:25:02] we were going to move forward with AIS
[1:25:04] regulations and we really want to do
[1:25:06] this it's it could be beneficial to
[1:25:09] spend a bit more time getting data on
[1:25:12] potential speed corridors.
[1:25:14] >> How would you go back five years? So you
[1:25:17] don't have to go all the way back five
[1:25:21] years. That's I know the language is
[1:25:22] kind of like confusing in it, but
[1:25:24] basically it says it has to be from the
[1:25:25] past five years. So it can't be before
[1:25:28] five years ago, right? Um I think and
[1:25:32] then from there if you were that
[1:25:34] whenever you're adopting this it could
[1:25:38] be subject to a lot of attention and
[1:25:42] potential local you know concern and
[1:25:44] frustration. And so you really want to
[1:25:46] be able to back up your decisions of
[1:25:49] where you have these and why on like
[1:25:52] with you know [clears throat]
[1:25:53] quantitative
[1:25:54] uh safety data.
[1:25:57] >> Right. Exactly. Um it's not just like
[1:26:00] Well, we thought it'd be good to have
[1:26:01] one here. Um, it really should be
[1:26:04] focused on uh the intent of reducing speeding and and improving
[1:26:12] safety.
[1:26:19] » Who takes care of
[1:26:23] uh the ticketing and the fines? And
[1:26:26] >> yeah,
[1:26:26] >> do you hire somebody to do that or
[1:26:29] >> Right. So basically um the way that it
[1:26:33] would work is the town would set up its
[1:26:35] ordinance and then the what we would
[1:26:38] recommend and what would be necessary
[1:26:40] under the purchasing policy that you
[1:26:41] guys adopted is to put out a request for
[1:26:44] proposals for vendors and basically say
[1:26:48] we're looking to imple this is our
[1:26:49] ordinance. We're looking to implement
[1:26:51] this technology. Who can provide this
[1:26:53] for us and how? And so then different
[1:26:56] vendors like Dacra who have kind of uh
[1:26:58] presented here will give proposals of
[1:27:02] how their technology works and what
[1:27:04] services they offer and um you know we'd
[1:27:08] also be we'd also require them to
[1:27:11] explain how they are complying with with
[1:27:13] Colorado law right and so um yeah so
[1:27:17] basically there are a lot of vendors out
[1:27:18] there who kind of do it all they they
[1:27:22] will Can you show the next slide? It
[1:27:24] might be okay. Yeah. So, um, a lot of
[1:27:28] times they will own equipment and then
[1:27:30] kind of rent it out to the town and then
[1:27:32] that equipment will take photos and
[1:27:35] video and will basically write up the
[1:27:38] citations and tie it back to the owner
[1:27:40] of the car um, the vehicle and then the
[1:27:44] town staff would review the citations
[1:27:48] and then with pretty kind of strict
[1:27:50] objective criteria, right? determine um
[1:27:54] okay this is correct this is correct and
[1:27:55] then they would be mailed out to folks
[1:27:58] um
[1:28:00] >> that would be yeah so I think that there
[1:28:03] might be some vendors that do mailing
[1:28:05] but um it would it would likely be it
[1:28:10] could likely be town staff
[1:28:12] >> would be another question is it legal
[1:28:15] >> to site the owner of the car even if
[1:28:19] they're not driving the car So
[1:28:22] >> yeah, so under this under the search
[1:28:24] scheme, it is always tied back to the
[1:28:27] owner of the vehicle and then
[1:28:29] >> it's a civil it's a civil
[1:28:31] rights
[1:28:33] >> correct. So you don't lose points off
[1:28:35] your license or anything.
[1:28:38] >> Yes.
[1:28:39] >> And there's a way that they can contest
[1:28:40] it, right?
[1:28:41] >> Yes. So yeah, sorry. I would have gone
[1:28:43] over to this. I thought that maybe
[1:28:45] you'll have already been overexlaining
[1:28:47] on this, so I didn't want to repeat too
[1:28:49] much, but I'll explain. So, um, they
[1:28:52] issue somebody will be issued a citation
[1:28:55] and then they have a number of days, I
[1:28:56] believe it's 45 days to request a
[1:28:59] hearing to contest it if they want. And
[1:29:01] that's something to keep in mind as well
[1:29:03] is that those hearings would likely need
[1:29:05] to be handled by the municipal court.
[1:29:07] Um, so they could either uh request a
[1:29:10] hearing, they could pay the fine, or
[1:29:13] they could just not pay it. Right.
[1:29:15] >> So, I don't see how anybody ever
[1:29:19] How does the don't ever get money if you
[1:29:21] can go through all those channels to get
[1:29:24] rid of the ticket or the fee.
[1:29:26] >> I mean, I think it's a great
[1:29:28] consideration, right? Because I think um
[1:29:32] it's something to keep in mind with
[1:29:34] this. And to be clear, I'm also not
[1:29:36] trying to like persuade you all to adopt
[1:29:40] these, right? I this is something that
[1:29:42] is an option for the town that town
[1:29:44] staff brought up and because they were
[1:29:47] contacted by some vendors. I'm not
[1:29:49] trying to convince you to do it. I'm
[1:29:50] more just so anyways I just want to make
[1:29:52] that clear. But really that is a like a
[1:29:55] good point to consider. And overall a
[1:29:58] lot of the times these these programs
[1:30:00] are cost neutral. So it's not like it's
[1:30:03] there's no guarantee that it would even
[1:30:05] like that it would generate revenue for
[1:30:07] the town. The point of it is to reduce
[1:30:10] speeding and to potentially be able to,
[1:30:14] you know, enforce more citations than um
[1:30:17] a police officer would be able to um you
[1:30:20] know, write up on a regular basis kind
[1:30:22] of thing. Um
[1:30:24] >> Yeah, exactly. So, it would kind of be
[1:30:27] it's it's more of a deterine. It's more
[1:30:30] of a um of
[1:30:35] Yeah. rather than an enforcement
[1:30:38] mechanism, rather than necessarily like
[1:30:40] a revenue generating
[1:30:43] cost money to have these
[1:30:47] >> program in place,
[1:30:48] >> right?
[1:30:48] >> It can, right? So,
[1:30:51] >> like
[1:30:56] because it doesn't sound like
[1:30:59] >> Well, if they
[1:31:02] >> No, I understand. I've seen
[1:31:03] >> this is this is I don't I'm not just
[1:31:07] saying how how like if you can get out
[1:31:10] of it like you just claim yeah easily
[1:31:13] >> and just say I'm not going to pay it or
[1:31:15] I'm going to go to court and not pay
[1:31:17] then what's the point that's my point if
[1:31:20] it's so easy to get out of it
[1:31:23] >> I don't think it's necessarily that easy
[1:31:25] I mean soon get a ticket my mom got one
[1:31:28] up at Curtis end my sister was driving
[1:31:32] but it's $40 it doesn't
[1:31:36] license doesn't go into record. You just
[1:31:37] write the check and go on about
[1:31:39] >> if you really think you need to find it
[1:31:42] >> because if you do a school zone and they
[1:31:44] turn the freaking school zone lights on
[1:31:46] this week,
[1:31:47] >> nobody has noticed. Nobody
[1:31:56] » and if they start getting a $300 ticket
[1:32:00] >> cuz it just blew through a school zone
[1:32:01] and the threshold's 11 miles an hour.
[1:32:04] 11. So to get one in front of your
[1:32:07] store, you got to be doing 46
[1:32:10] or in front of my house nonschool zone,
[1:32:13] you got to be doing 46 miles an hour.
[1:32:16] That's minimal threshold. Correct.
[1:32:20] I think we said it.
[1:32:26] » Yeah, I think it was the state patrol
[1:32:29] and the sheriff's office said 11.
[1:32:31] >> Yeah, the the legal framework on her one
[1:32:33] slide here says violations of 10 m or
[1:32:36] under received warnings.
[1:32:37] >> Civil penalties begin at 11. But where
[1:32:40] the
[1:32:40] >> except longterm benefit is of it the
[1:32:44] absolute long term I was going down to
[1:32:49] most of the summer we're going to big
[1:32:52] and on on the CJSA group everybody got a
[1:32:56] notice hey when leaving
[1:32:59] it wasn't Fort the next little town over
[1:33:02] when going in and out of that town be
[1:33:05] very careful because there's cameras on
[1:33:08] both ends Right.
[1:33:09] >> Same thing when you go up uh road 49
[1:33:12] cruisy. I mean both ends there's speed.
[1:33:15] >> Right.
[1:33:16] >> So
[1:33:18] the long-term benefit is we get
[1:33:20] everybody train.
[1:33:21] >> Um
[1:33:22] >> I think I don't know if it's necessarily
[1:33:26] I think you're right. It's a it's a cost
[1:33:28] neutral. It's not going to cost us
[1:33:30] money.
[1:33:31] >> Well, how much does it cost?
[1:33:32] >> So that can depend on the vendor, right?
[1:33:34] So, um, and that's what gets a little
[1:33:37] bit confusing about it, why we would put
[1:33:38] out a request for proposals to try to
[1:33:40] get the lowest cost that we could. The
[1:33:43] thing that I see potentially costing is
[1:33:45] the equipment rental. Um, there might be
[1:33:47] like flat rates of just, you know,
[1:33:50] $4,000 a month to for to have that
[1:33:54] camera. And then, um, the other payments
[1:33:58] would probably be through just the
[1:34:00] different like services that are
[1:34:03] provided in fees are paid, bonds are
[1:34:06] paid.
[1:34:06] >> What are the what um
[1:34:10] >> or
[1:34:10] >> what are other towns like ours?
[1:34:14] >> Um like what money how much money do
[1:34:17] they raise up?
[1:34:19] >> Right. So, we haven't seen that much of
[1:34:21] that data yet in terms of our size. Um I
[1:34:24] know that Hugo adopted AIS regulations
[1:34:26] in March, but I haven't been able to see
[1:34:29] yet like what those benefits have been
[1:34:31] for them. Um, Wheatidge has reported a
[1:34:35] 48% reduction in speeding violations.
[1:34:38] Um, but yeah, again, this is not like a
[1:34:41] big revenue generator. It is supposed to
[1:34:43] be more about reducing speed.
[1:34:45] >> Are we going to lose money?
[1:34:47] >> Um,
[1:34:48] I think that would be the point or
[1:34:50] sorry, that's the point of the is kind
[1:34:52] of learning about the different cost
[1:34:54] structures that different vendors would
[1:34:56] offer.
[1:34:58] >> Sure. Thank you.
[1:35:00] Um, right now the DACA one had a
[1:35:06] flat equipment fee of 4,000 a month for
[1:35:11] renting the equipment, but then
[1:35:12] everything else it more kind of comes in
[1:35:15] and out with the wash um to put it kind
[1:35:20] of broadly. But um, so last month when
[1:35:24] they did the presentation, I think he
[1:35:27] said that up here in the even though we
[1:35:30] don't have the school zone on right now
[1:35:32] over the summer. He said that the
[1:35:35] average [clears throat] mile over was 12
[1:35:39] to 14 up in
[1:35:41] >> and I agree. And
[1:35:43] >> he did 45 I think too.
[1:35:44] >> Yeah. And 45
[1:35:47] >> and down by
[1:35:50] the British or did they do down the road
[1:35:53] down?
[1:35:53] >> He said it was hard to get everybody's
[1:35:55] already slowing down.
[1:35:56] >> Yeah.
[1:35:59] They're gonna come back and do that
[1:36:01] school zone once school is in session.
[1:36:03] >> But they did Kyro Bennett where people
[1:36:05] are speeding in fair
[1:36:10] speeding and where they're coming and
[1:36:13] they get frustrated with the
[1:36:14] construction down here and then they go
[1:36:16] flying once they get past your store.
[1:36:18] They're flying.
[1:36:19] >> Well, I agree with all of that. I just
[1:36:21] didn't know. I didn't know till she
[1:36:23] explained that they can how many times
[1:36:25] they can fight these things. I mean,
[1:36:27] >> right. said if it goes to municipal
[1:36:29] court if it doesn't if it goes to
[1:36:31] municipal court that doesn't mean the
[1:36:32] judge is going to let them off and if
[1:36:34] they don't pay it you can always go
[1:36:36] after them. Well, so we will say that um
[1:36:40] one of the difficult aspects of this in
[1:36:42] terms of collections is that you know if
[1:36:45] once you go through all those processes
[1:36:47] if they still don't pay in order to send
[1:36:51] collections after someone which takes
[1:36:54] resources
[1:36:55] >> right
[1:36:55] >> you would have like yeah but collections
[1:36:57] itself takes resources sometimes too
[1:36:59] right um you have to personally search
[1:37:01] that person which is obviously
[1:37:04] personally serve you have to like go up
[1:37:05] to them
[1:37:06] >> and They probably out of state or
[1:37:09] >> Yes, they're really difficult to do or
[1:37:10] even Yeah, definitely out of counters.
[1:37:13] hate this
[1:37:22] disgusting
[1:37:24] rat.
[1:37:27] >> Yeah, that seems crazy.
[1:37:28] >> Um, what is on this?
[1:37:31] >> What if St. B got a speeding ticket in
[1:37:36] the schools?
[1:37:38] She was late.
[1:37:41] Oh, and and got and she just
[1:37:44] got it got it mailed, threw it in the
[1:37:46] trash, went on about what is
[1:37:49] tell me
[1:37:52] and she goes to renew her license. She
[1:37:54] can't till she pays that ticket. I mean,
[1:37:55] is it treated the same way as like a
[1:37:58] >> No, she'll get she'll get arrested or
[1:38:09] » Yeah. Yeah, simple. This is simple. So,
[1:38:12] it's just like
[1:38:14] >> you pay the fine or you don't and then
[1:38:17] um
[1:38:18] >> in an ideal world you would be able to
[1:38:20] send collections after them but in this
[1:38:22] scenario it would be very difficult to
[1:38:24] do that. So, so they don't This is what
[1:38:26] I'm doing. They don't pay the ticket.
[1:38:29] >> Well, for this when I worked years ago,
[1:38:34] they had warrants out for people who did
[1:38:36] not pay their tickets and so you got
[1:38:38] brought into court,
[1:38:39] >> but I don't think that
[1:38:43] through the sheriff's office
[1:38:45] is is a personal [clears throat]
[1:38:48] or not personal, a private company that
[1:38:51] we would be hiring to do it for us. And
[1:38:54] then yes, right. They did say in the
[1:38:56] collections you had you could go back
[1:38:59] and send them to collections after so
[1:39:01] many days of them not paying it. But
[1:39:03] then bringing them into court, it could
[1:39:06] take them 40 45 60 90 days to get them
[1:39:09] into court,
[1:39:12] >> right?
[1:39:13] >> Or they could just not go.
[1:39:14] >> Yeah. I mean, and also you have to
[1:39:16] personally serve them in order for them
[1:39:18] to be required to go. I mean, if you
[1:39:23] were easy to find that
[1:39:28] » most people that get something in the
[1:39:29] mail, hey,
[1:39:31] >> right?
[1:39:35] » They'll call and say, "What is this?" Or
[1:39:38] they'll do like, "Can I bring this up
[1:39:40] social?" Or they'll do like somebody did
[1:39:43] with one of our no parking here signs
[1:39:45] and just rip it out of the ground.
[1:39:48] >> That is something that's been happening.
[1:39:49] I mean, that's, you know, that is part
[1:39:52] of what I was going to talk about, too,
[1:39:54] was No, it's okay. Like, no, it's great
[1:39:56] that y'all are discussing it because
[1:39:57] it's exactly what I was going to bring
[1:39:59] up. And it's that's why I did want to
[1:40:01] talk about this with you all because it
[1:40:02] is policy considerations for you all to
[1:40:04] consider, right? Um, in terms of whether
[1:40:07] or not to move forward with um a
[1:40:11] regulations at all or to adopt an
[1:40:12] ordinance around this, um, there is
[1:40:14] public skepticism around it. There have
[1:40:16] been reports of folks, you know, like
[1:40:18] ripping technology down. Um, and there
[1:40:23] have been a couple of examples of
[1:40:24] municipalities that have, um, because
[1:40:28] there's so much public skepticism,
[1:40:30] people are watching how municipalities
[1:40:31] do it really closely. And there have
[1:40:34] been a couple instances
[1:40:36] um, can you go back one slide?
[1:40:37] >> Yep.
[1:40:39] in Kersy um and Hudson where they
[1:40:46] have like voided more than a million
[1:40:49] dollars worth of tickets um because they
[1:40:51] didn't have a sufficient warning period
[1:40:53] for the Avis camera. Um so like a really
[1:40:56] simple implementation issue can just
[1:41:00] void every ticket that's ever been
[1:41:02] issued, right? Um somehow I mean Kirsty
[1:41:07] they were issuing $40 speeding tickets
[1:41:09] even though their max is $40. So they
[1:41:14] had to refund all of that. Um
[1:41:16] >> that doesn't sound like a good program
[1:41:18] like to the people.
[1:41:20] >> Yes. So they basically have like both of
[1:41:22] these have uh on their website like a
[1:41:25] place where you can go and uh request a
[1:41:28] refund.
[1:41:31] Yeah,
[1:41:32] >> because
[1:41:34] >> on both ends of 49 when the skirmers
[1:41:36] are, if you're not like shutting down,
[1:41:40] >> you're you're running into the guy up
[1:41:41] front because everybody's everybody's
[1:41:44] been thrilled.
[1:41:45] >> Yeah.
[1:41:46] >> And they're like,
[1:41:47] they're not dealing with them.
[1:41:50] >> Yeah.
[1:41:51] and a lot of those
[1:41:54] um and now I gota think of
[1:41:56] >> so if it if it gets
[1:41:58] >> if there's a restaurant company to add
[1:42:00] over $400,000
[1:42:02] of
[1:42:03] >> what happens if someone does strip them
[1:42:04] down are is the town of KY responsible
[1:42:08] is it go through the depends on which
[1:42:10] contract or what
[1:42:12] >> exactly I think that's something we
[1:42:13] would look really closely at with the
[1:42:15] contracts and that's something that I
[1:42:17] would want to look at right um a couple
[1:42:19] of things. One, I'd want to figure out
[1:42:21] what's the warranty on these cameras.
[1:42:23] What um would the contractor be
[1:42:26] responsible for versus us? We would want
[1:42:28] >> We're [clears throat] renting them.
[1:42:29] We're not
[1:42:29] >> Exactly. We would want we would want we
[1:42:32] would want to have good warranty
[1:42:33] provisions in there
[1:42:35] and liability.
[1:42:38] >> Yeah.
[1:42:39] >> And then um on the other hand, the
[1:42:41] people ripping them down um hopefully we
[1:42:45] could get them cited for
[1:42:48] That would be criminal,
[1:42:51] >> right?
[1:42:55] » Yeah.
[1:42:59] » Yes. Yeah.
[1:43:00] >> Yeah. So, they risk that too
[1:43:01] [clears throat] and being seen online.
[1:43:04] And I don't think I don't think anybody
[1:43:06] would want take that back.
[1:43:09] [clears throat]
[1:43:09] >> Why can't we just have some sheriffs
[1:43:11] that do their jobs on 86?
[1:43:17] » Yeah.
[1:43:18] department will not work. They won't
[1:43:21] >> they'll park they'll park three if the
[1:43:23] school zone at all.
[1:43:24] >> They'll park together school zone hills.
[1:43:27] They'll park next to Elizabeth PD but
[1:43:31] they will not work. They do not care for
[1:43:34] driving kids.
[1:43:36] >> I've only seen one officer sitting up
[1:43:39] here during school.
[1:43:42] >> So what do
[1:43:45] we do about that? I don't know. I think
[1:43:47] have another chat with our sheriff.
[1:43:50] >> There's no one there's no one running
[1:43:52] against North. I mean, how do we fix
[1:43:54] this problem?
[1:43:56] >> People involved like we're trying to do
[1:43:58] here, getting people involved in our
[1:43:59] town council to help us out, you know,
[1:44:02] there's only a few of us and um you
[1:44:05] know, and Trevor's turned out so we need
[1:44:07] people to help us, people with open
[1:44:09] minds and people to come in.
[1:44:11] >> Okay. Well, we got the say we have the
[1:44:12] people. What's the process to make it
[1:44:15] work? Here's the things that we can't do
[1:44:19] and this will be the challenge. We need
[1:44:21] to have open conversation with the
[1:44:24] school staff leadership with students.
[1:44:27] We need to have that with them, the
[1:44:30] sheriff's department, the patrol captain
[1:44:33] [clears throat] and and start there as
[1:44:35] us here that see this. I don't know how
[1:44:40] many times my wife called Douglas County
[1:44:42] dispatch, but she had it on speed.
[1:44:46] That happened over here on the corner
[1:44:48] when the piss fight broke out on the
[1:44:50] corner. I mean, the the horse crap that
[1:44:53] goes home.
[1:44:56] And so there's all those that are on the
[1:44:59] dispatch. They're all reported. All
[1:45:01] those calls are recorded and noted.
[1:45:04] I mean, at the end of the day, whatever
[1:45:08] we've paid the sheriff's department,
[1:45:12] we're not getting
[1:45:14] >> anything.
[1:45:15] >> We're not getting the support,
[1:45:16] >> right? I agree with you. I really do.
[1:45:19] Um, and and that was my point. We need
[1:45:20] to have this sit down with the sheriff's
[1:45:23] office and uh visit with them and say,
[1:45:25] "Hey, look, this is our IG and we would
[1:45:29] really like to have you help us enforce
[1:45:31] it better."
[1:45:33] Well, and if they want, that's where you
[1:45:35] get it.
[1:45:36] >> Yeah.
[1:45:37] >> Right.
[1:45:38] >> And I like the stuff
[1:45:41] up next to the tennis courts cuz I don't
[1:45:44] know if you could write
[1:45:46] service tickets or not, but they can
[1:45:49] have 30 a day.
[1:45:51] >> Well, I think if they get one or two,
[1:45:55] they will
[1:45:57] take a better look at their road
[1:45:59] deputies.
[1:46:00] But I'm sourced.
[1:46:04] >> No, it's true.
[1:46:05] >> That's not true.
[1:46:06] >> Well, you're right, Trevor. I think a
[1:46:07] lot of people here in town view it the
[1:46:09] same way because it's it's hard to get
[1:46:12] them to to
[1:46:16] help us in that regard. And I don't
[1:46:18] think it's just the sheriff's
[1:46:19] department's
[1:46:21] in general.
[1:46:23] >> Is that is that why the sheriff's up?
[1:46:26] >> I don't know what I don't know what
[1:46:28] their deal is. So, would like to have a
[1:46:30] sit down with them
[1:46:32] >> with the u whatever the commissioners
[1:46:36] >> the commissioners. Yeah, we're supposed
[1:46:37] to be having a meeting with them and for
[1:46:40] some reason we haven't in quite a while.
[1:46:42] So I'd like to get back on track with
[1:46:44] having meetings with the commissioners.
[1:46:46] Um so anyway, maybe that's the problem.
[1:46:50] >> Yeah, I think we all need to get
[1:46:51] together. All of us higher
[1:46:54] leaders of our town and community need
[1:46:56] to get in there. Here's where I do think
[1:46:59] and and is
[1:47:01] I think I don't know how those IGAS are
[1:47:04] written. You know, obviously it's
[1:47:08] um if if it's a year to year um I guess
[1:47:13] give us
[1:47:13] >> for the vendor base. Okay.
[1:47:16] >> Um and really from that standpoint
[1:47:20] I think from a board and I'm not looking
[1:47:22] at I'm looking at the the next people
[1:47:25] that have to sit in the seat. I don't
[1:47:27] want to necessarily pigeon hole it to
[1:47:29] something that maybe turns out to be a
[1:47:31] bad deal. But if it's let's say year to
[1:47:34] year contract and you go in year one I
[1:47:37] don't know we'll say the one up here
[1:47:40] does average of
[1:47:42] 10 a day maybe it's just a day I don't
[1:47:46] know and then all of a sudden you get
[1:47:48] down the road you're a day instead of 50
[1:47:52] does validate that
[1:47:57] the advantage the advantage of the
[1:47:58] camera is honestly
[1:48:02] advantage of the camera is
[1:48:03] [clears throat] is it's walking 247. I
[1:48:06] mean we we cannot put somebody here 247
[1:48:11] but it does and I think it at the end of
[1:48:15] the day it keeps it keeps the honest man
[1:48:19] but you know it's good enough to keep
[1:48:22] the honest man in check. I mean the ones
[1:48:25] that want to cheat and go rogue on the
[1:48:27] system they're going to do it
[1:48:28] regardless. But but I do think that does
[1:48:33] um it does
[1:48:36] >> people.
[1:48:37] >> What's that?
[1:48:39] >> That's a big thing. It creates habits.
[1:48:41] Take you down Cy Road. I can tell you
[1:48:43] where it really it has changed both ends
[1:48:46] of that road significantly because of
[1:48:49] those cameras and they all end up on 90
[1:48:52] and everybody that they had them and all
[1:48:54] this stuff. But it seriously and I can
[1:48:57] remember the Rabout company that um my
[1:49:01] wife's cousin he he's a land man but
[1:49:04] really but the one company cuz the
[1:49:08] tickets all of the vehicles to register
[1:49:11] they had like 400,000
[1:49:13] tickets in in a cycle. I mean, it was it
[1:49:16] was insane. And you think about it, all
[1:49:21] 10,000 tickets.
[1:49:23] >> How high are the cameras on the are they
[1:49:26] on pools or how high are they
[1:49:30] about?
[1:49:37] Thank you so much. The ones in Casser
[1:49:39] are probably 10 10 ft up because
[1:49:42] [clears throat] there's one right by my
[1:49:43] daughter's town.
[1:49:45] >> So they're kind of like the signs they
[1:49:47] um give me.
[1:49:48] >> Yeah, there's there's a sign. No, it's a camera on posted on it. But
[1:49:54] there's a sign about this.
[1:49:58] >> This looks like one of those old
[1:50:00] viewfinders that
[1:50:02] >> was on
[1:50:04] like that. And then and under under is
[1:50:09] camera radar something.
[1:50:11] >> Yeah, it looks like it's typically at
[1:50:13] least 15 ft high
[1:50:15] >> in order to be high enough to capture
[1:50:17] all the vehicle data.
[1:50:20] >> I think hers it's right on the corner
[1:50:22] when we turn go into her place off of
[1:50:25] valley and it's right
[1:50:27] >> there.
[1:50:35] Okay.
[1:50:37] Y
[1:50:39] >> just catches all the southbound traffic.
[1:50:43] >> Yeah. All those trucks. So they fly down
[1:50:45] that road.
[1:50:50] » Yeah. [clears throat] Yeah. And I I I
[1:50:51] really appreciate discussion around
[1:50:53] this. I really did want to hear your
[1:50:55] different opinions on it. Um, and
[1:50:57] ultimately
[1:50:59] at this point, you know, there I think
[1:51:01] there are just kind of some broader uh
[1:51:03] questions for you all to consider and
[1:51:06] ask. And I think one of those is um the
[1:51:10] locations. So a school zone, just
[1:51:13] putting it in a school zone would not
[1:51:14] require any study. Um and so that is a
[1:51:21] path forward that doesn't involve as
[1:51:24] much quantitative data collection. Um
[1:51:26] because ultimately if you are going to
[1:51:28] create any corridors, so any areas that
[1:51:31] don't fall into those categories of a
[1:51:32] school zone, um a construction zone,
[1:51:35] things like that, then you will need to
[1:51:36] back it up with um data.
[1:51:39] >> Is that the same as like a safety zone?
[1:51:42] And so
[1:51:50] » it's still a school,
[1:51:53] but I mean right
[1:51:57] >> right there from there in considered
[1:51:59] that safety zone
[1:52:01] doubled and it was
[1:52:03] >> all an attempt to try to
[1:52:06] >> get people to slow down the toilet.
[1:52:10] >> High school. I got down there was the
[1:52:12] guy that left the little bridges with
[1:52:13] the trailer from the trailer and got
[1:52:17] pulled over before he got to the stop
[1:52:18] sign. He was speeding in the safety
[1:52:21] zone. I'm like, how do you know
[1:52:24] when did you get pulled over?
[1:52:27] >> Safety
[1:52:29] says work zone. So I think that would be
[1:52:31] related to construction.
[1:52:33] Um then school zones, residential
[1:52:36] neighborhoods, streets bordering
[1:52:38] municipal park and then the designated
[1:52:40] corridors based on studies. So I think
[1:52:43] and that's something that we would need
[1:52:44] to know when drafting an ordinance. We
[1:52:49] would need to have if we were to create
[1:52:50] designated orders, we would need that um
[1:52:53] data before drafting the ordinance. And
[1:52:56] so, um, yeah, so I just wanted to kind
[1:53:00] of pose these to you to to keep these in
[1:53:04] mind when considering this. And, um, you
[1:53:06] can go to the next slide. But overall,
[1:53:09] what the process would look like would
[1:53:11] be conducting and expanding more traffic
[1:53:14] studies if we want to do designated
[1:53:16] corridors.
[1:53:18] um and then developing the AIS program
[1:53:20] that conforms with law then and adapting
[1:53:24] that AIS program through ordinance. And
[1:53:26] then we would issue a request for
[1:53:27] proposals to get to to see what vendors
[1:53:30] are out there and what pricing schemes
[1:53:33] they um you know schemes but
[1:53:38] uh but yeah the
[1:53:41] how they how they formulate their
[1:53:44] pricing. Um and then we would you know
[1:53:47] implement the program but again that all
[1:53:49] takes a lot of different steps and work
[1:53:52] because when implementing we'll need to
[1:53:55] we would need to create signs. We would
[1:53:57] need to post on social media. We would
[1:53:59] need to do a lot of different things
[1:54:01] step by step in order to ensure that any
[1:54:04] citations that were issued weren't in
[1:54:06] contested
[1:54:08] >> and if they were then they it's been
[1:54:11] posted.
[1:54:11] >> Yeah.
[1:54:13] And so I think all that is to say
[1:54:15] I wanted to make sure you all understood
[1:54:16] that there might not be like an
[1:54:18] ordinance
[1:54:19] for you next month for your next meeting
[1:54:22] because I think that there are important
[1:54:24] considerations to make and we don't want
[1:54:25] to rush any of this.
[1:54:27] >> I hear when it says
[1:54:29] re
[1:54:31] refunded 586 is that for a year or
[1:54:34] what's the time frame on that?
[1:54:38] Yeah.
[1:54:40] >> 586 and then had to reach everyund
[1:54:44] millions almost two million.
[1:54:46] >> Yeah. But in what period of time?
[1:54:49] >> Let's see.
[1:54:53] » So they voted in January 2026 for the
[1:54:56] refund
[1:54:58] for ticket issued prior to mid November
[1:55:01] 2025.
[1:55:03] Um so let me see.
[1:55:07] that was because they didn't have
[1:55:08] sufficient notification. So they were
[1:55:11] issuing citations for the wrong amounts.
[1:55:15] Um, one other thing to note from the
[1:55:18] article I found was that
[1:55:21] um the
[1:55:24] reporter had filed a complaint with the
[1:55:26] attorney general's office um about the
[1:55:30] vendor that Kirsty was working with
[1:55:33] because um it disguised its hourly
[1:55:36] billing to uh process and mail out
[1:55:39] citations. like basically it tied its
[1:55:42] billing to numbers of centations.
[1:55:45] So anyways, it's always under deep
[1:55:47] scrutiny and then I would just say I'm
[1:55:49] trying to figure out what amount of time
[1:55:51] those
[1:55:52] were issued for. It looks like maybe a
[1:55:56] month.
[1:56:01] I'd have to look into that.
[1:56:06] I know it's a lot of money and and you
[1:56:08] know the thought of us gaining income
[1:56:11] here to help the town is great, but on
[1:56:15] the other hand, what's not?
[1:56:17] >> And then we have to have a judge also
[1:56:19] pay a judge.
[1:56:23] » So that already
[1:56:26] is a zero. We don't have to pay them
[1:56:28] extra.
[1:56:28] >> Correct.
[1:56:30] >> Yeah.
[1:56:32] >> So, sorry for Kirsty. I don't know the
[1:56:34] exact amount of time, but I do know that
[1:56:35] it was about 1,700 tickets that were
[1:56:38] issued incorrectly.
[1:56:40] We don't want to go with that.
[1:56:42] >> No,
[1:56:46] » because they issued the wrong line.
[1:56:49] I don't know if it was 340 instead of
[1:56:53] literally just incip.
[1:57:06] that's eventually why they did, you
[1:57:08] know, vote to refund them. Um, so yeah,
[1:57:10] I mean, thank you for listening to me on
[1:57:12] this. I'm always available over email to
[1:57:15] answer more questions on it. I just kind
[1:57:17] of wanted to give you more of an update
[1:57:18] from from the attorney's point of view
[1:57:21] rather than maybe DACA or you know,
[1:57:23] vendor's point of view, right? Um, so
[1:57:26] yeah,
[1:57:26] >> thank you.
[1:57:29] >> Okay, we'll move on to the cons consent
[1:57:31] items. Do we have a vote?
[1:57:37] » Although I can speak to that
[1:57:40] public hearing ordinance number 26-38 an
[1:57:44] ordinance of the town of Kyo, Colorado
[1:57:47] repealing and replacing the town chapter
[1:57:49] 16 zoning code and zoning ordinances
[1:57:52] adopting a new zoning code and providing
[1:57:56] for publication and codification of the
[1:57:58] new zoning code.
[1:58:00] >> Okay. Yeah. Of course, you know that we
[1:58:02] repeal the zoning code.
[1:58:04] >> Sorry, I was just trying to open the
[1:58:05] public hearing time.
[1:58:10] » So excited. [clears throat]
[1:58:13] >> Okay. Is there any
[1:58:14] >> So, we'll just open the public hearing
[1:58:16] and say
[1:58:18] >> Okay, we'll open for public hearing at
[1:58:20] 9:01 p.m.
[1:58:25] » Okay. Now, okay. So, as you know, we we
[1:58:28] had gone through the process of the zona
[1:58:30] code and then we found out that it was
[1:58:32] all messed up. So, we repealed that and
[1:58:35] went back and now planned has gone back
[1:58:37] and reworked through it with Josh. Um,
[1:58:41] and you can you can thank Josh for going
[1:58:44] through and making it look all pretty.
[1:58:48] He worked a lot to go back and fix it.
[1:58:53] Um, and so it all falls under the right
[1:58:55] categories and it all falls under the
[1:58:57] right spots. Um, so they went through it
[1:59:01] and they um
[1:59:04] voted whatever approved to send it to
[1:59:07] you guys tonight for approval.
[1:59:11] Um,
[1:59:13] it's it's in much better shape than it
[1:59:15] was. It's actually pretty
[1:59:19] readable now. It's organized.
[1:59:23] So, their recommendation is that you
[1:59:26] vote to approve this so we can get it um
[1:59:30] published and loaded into Unicode.
[1:59:36] >> So,
[1:59:37] updated.
[1:59:39] >> Okay.
[1:59:40] >> Are we are we going to go through all of
[1:59:43] this tonight? I don't know how much
[1:59:45] longer I can stay.
[1:59:47] Are we able to
[1:59:50] >> There wasn't a lot of time.
[1:59:51] >> No. Okay. Do you
[1:59:53] >> And it's 110 pages.
[1:59:54] >> It is. So then the question would be is
[1:59:57] if you want to table that until the next
[2:00:00] >> thing is like
[2:00:02] usually we'll get red lines and this was
[2:00:06] changed and stuff. So it was hard to
[2:00:09] tell what got changed. [clears throat]
[2:00:12] >> I thought we got the Didn't we get that
[2:00:14] a couple months ago? The red line
[2:00:16] probably.
[2:00:18] >> But I didn't
[2:00:21] I get what you're saying because when we
[2:00:23] got it, I've slept like maybe three
[2:00:26] times since
[2:00:27] >> I got it today.
[2:00:31] » I will
[2:00:36] make sure that we open up.
[2:00:41] » Is there anyone on there anybody online
[2:00:44] that has public comment on the
[2:00:45] ordinance?
[2:00:57] specific public comment.
[2:01:01] So you opened it for public hearing.
[2:01:03] >> Yeah.
[2:01:04] >> Okay. So there we go. So do we want to
[2:01:08] table this then until the next meeting?
[2:01:11] We've if let's say if I was gonna say if
[2:01:15] also because of course planning will be
[2:01:17] meeting next week next week.
[2:01:20] >> So if you have specific things you want
[2:01:24] to
[2:01:25] >> what what day do they meet again?
[2:01:26] >> Next Wednesday.
[2:01:28] >> So that gives you a week. Um, so if you
[2:01:31] have things you want to individually
[2:01:33] send to me, I can get them to that board
[2:01:36] or to
[2:01:38] look at.
[2:01:40] >> Can we go to the their meeting and
[2:01:42] discussions
[2:01:44] or not?
[2:01:45] >> No, you we can't have a forum. We can't
[2:01:49] have all of you in this just to discuss
[2:01:52] >> just to tell them or you want us to have
[2:01:55] this done sent to you so that you can
[2:01:59] send it to them before they meet.
[2:02:01] >> We can discuss it at the meeting.
[2:02:05] >> That's fine. I can bring it.
[2:02:07] >> Yes. I can't imagine you're going to
[2:02:08] have thousands. I can
[2:02:11] >> No,
[2:02:13] you said that we cannot go to their
[2:02:15] meeting and
[2:02:16] >> you could. I just can't have all of you.
[2:02:19] >> Well, unless
[2:02:21] it's
[2:02:22] >> if I can have like two of you.
[2:02:27] » I mean, I still don't even in that
[2:02:29] scenario, you would only
[2:02:33] >> they were the ones who were making
[2:02:34] recommendations to about this. So, you
[2:02:38] can't go to their meeting and be like,
[2:02:40] well, I think that you should change
[2:02:41] this about it, change that. you do have
[2:02:44] the um option of clarifying with town
[2:02:48] staff, I don't like this about the
[2:02:50] ordinance. I want these changes and you
[2:02:52] can do that and you can basically you
[2:02:55] can um and so sorry, let me just make
[2:02:58] sure.
[2:02:59] >> Yeah, they're making a recommendation to
[2:03:00] you.
[2:03:02] >> So,
[2:03:03] >> right. And so there's kind of different
[2:03:05] ways that can go. you can pass an
[2:03:08] ordinance um on first reading with
[2:03:12] requested amendments and then once you
[2:03:15] know ensure that all of those amendments
[2:03:16] are incorporated and then give it final
[2:03:20] approval on second reading um or right
[2:03:23] now it's sounding like
[2:03:26] um
[2:03:28] you know it's sounding like you wanted
[2:03:30] to table it you could direct it is
[2:03:33] important that you give staff direction
[2:03:35] on what changes you And it shouldn't be
[2:03:37] through the planning commission.
[2:03:41] » It should be like review ordinance
[2:03:43] saying I want these amendments to this
[2:03:45] ordinance.
[2:03:46] >> So you send those to
[2:03:47] >> it's not a lot of like amendments. It's
[2:03:50] more
[2:03:51] >> clarification 100%. Yeah.
[2:03:54] >> Okay.
[2:03:55] >> And like there's some titles.
[2:03:58] >> Okay. There are titles. Okay. Typos are
[2:04:00] easy because that's not that's not
[2:04:02] changing the meaning if it's just like
[2:04:05] fixing typos. So that's easy for me to
[2:04:07] fix. Okay.
[2:04:09] >> So I would like to make a motion that we
[2:04:11] table it for next month.
[2:04:15] >> Does that next month's meeting
[2:04:18] >> to discuss the um
[2:04:21] >> So can I I just want to clarify
[2:04:23] something. So in the um agenda item
[2:04:25] report there is um kind of next steps
[2:04:29] listed on on different things that you
[2:04:31] can do here and what you'll need to do
[2:04:34] is the board will need to vote to
[2:04:36] continue the public hearing to a time
[2:04:38] date and location certain. So it would
[2:04:40] be the board's next regular meeting
[2:04:42] September 8th. So if somebody wants to
[2:04:44] make that motion that' be helpful just
[2:04:46] so it's
[2:04:48] >> um do you have the agenda heading report
[2:04:50] or handed to someone? So
[2:04:56] >> let
[2:05:00] that continue the hearing hearing at the
[2:05:03] September meeting.
[2:05:16] There's a motion made a motion to
[2:05:19] continue this public hearing to our
[2:05:24] September 8th meeting concerning the
[2:05:27] ordinance 20268
[2:05:31] for the town of KY repealing and
[2:05:34] replacing the town's chapter 16 zoning
[2:05:36] code and zoning ordinances adopting a
[2:05:38] new zoning board and code and providing
[2:05:41] for publication andification of the new
[2:05:43] zoning code.
[2:05:44] >> Point of order. September 8th at 7 p.m.
[2:05:48] >> September 8th at 7 p.m. Yes.
[2:05:51] >> And I think this also feels
[2:05:56] this week, but also
[2:06:00] >> other people.
[2:06:09] How do you go into a public hearing when
[2:06:11] you haven't been able to
[2:06:14] >> learning commission has their meeting
[2:06:17] every third Wednesday of the month and I
[2:06:20] don't see anybody there but me
[2:06:24] I'm not
[2:06:26] >> no in general
[2:06:28] >> and I'm not I'm not
[2:06:32] I understand
[2:06:34] but when it's finally made
[2:06:37] privilege
[2:06:39] that you can read it
[2:06:41] >> right and it is
[2:06:43] >> and it is now
[2:06:45] >> I think
[2:06:47] I mean
[2:06:50] >> not only do we need ample time to
[2:06:53] ruminate resist but
[2:06:56] >> if you have like I said Bailey already
[2:06:58] obviously has things so she can send
[2:07:00] those to me and I can startling
[2:07:03] through those so as the rest of you look
[2:07:05] at them you can send those to
[2:07:08] question.
[2:07:18] » So we need the motion and then I can't
[2:07:20] remember
[2:07:23] and second.
[2:07:26] >> So all those in favor say I.
[2:07:28] >> Those oppos say nay.
[2:07:31] >> So we'll move the public hearing to
[2:07:34] September 8th.
[2:07:40] public hearing close at 9 p.m.
[2:07:47] >> Now can it
[2:07:51] all in favor say I
[2:07:56] have a first
[2:08:00] motion? Sorry, it's running late.
[2:08:04] [clears throat]
[2:08:07] » So, here are the consent items approving
[2:08:09] the minutes and the expenditures.
[2:08:11] >> Motion to approve the consent items and
[2:08:14] minutes and expenditures today.
[2:08:18] >> Have a second or a second.
[2:08:21] I have a question about um the financial
[2:08:25] thing.
[2:08:26] >> Okay. Well, then we got to do that.
[2:08:28] >> Okay. I have a question. How how under
[2:08:32] the financial part um
[2:08:36] expenditures I guess you would call it.
[2:08:38] mentions cigarettes. What does that
[2:08:41] mean? That's the I know. But how does
[2:08:44] that how does that
[2:08:48] >> I'm not sure. We have Ken on that. But
[2:08:50] that comes in as revenue.
[2:08:52] >> It's a use like a use tax if you will.
[2:08:54] [clears throat]
[2:08:57] » My story is never
[2:08:59] resell cigarettes. I've never How How do
[2:09:03] you come up with that figure?
[2:09:07] » I don't know.
[2:09:10] >> Okay.
[2:09:19] » Yeah. So, when they buy that from they
[2:09:22] get the taxes figured out on, right? And
[2:09:26] so they get that.
[2:09:27] >> How do they get that?
[2:09:30] >> It's whatever the tax was voted on, but
[2:09:32] it's in it's already preloaded in your in your zip. It's excit
[2:09:41] » Well, you turn it in and it goes to the
[2:09:44] state and the state goes, "Yeah, this
[2:09:45] book was sold inside the city."
[2:09:47] >> I never ever ever years have turned it
[2:09:50] into anybody.
[2:09:51] >> You You don't pay taxes?
[2:09:53] >> I do.
[2:09:53] >> You don't pay sales tax?
[2:09:56] I do, but
[2:09:58] >> that's not
[2:09:59] >> Okay. Well, I've never turned in my
[2:10:00] cigarette sales tax.
[2:10:05] I mean, nobody knows that but me, but I
[2:10:08] do my book work.
[2:10:09] >> That's your
[2:10:18] » Well, maybe they're not counting your
[2:10:20] store. Maybe it's just
[2:10:22] >> I know.
[2:10:25] No. Yeah, it's supposed to
[2:10:29] it's not supposed to work out.
[2:10:32] >> I do. I do. I register bring it up on
[2:10:34] the cigarette key, but from there it
[2:10:37] goes nowhere.
[2:10:40] >> Well, we'll have to ask you. Okay. Thank
[2:10:41] you.
[2:10:42] >> Yeah, but I don't
[2:10:43] >> I don't either.
[2:10:44] >> Okay. So, where was I at?
[2:10:45] >> You have first and second.
[2:10:47] >> Okay.
[2:10:50] So all those in favor of approving the
[2:10:54] consent items say I.
[2:10:57] >> I. Those opposed say
[2:11:08] we declaring a vacancy on the board of
[2:11:10] trustees. Please make page for them. We
[2:11:14] are on
[2:11:16] two of the
[2:11:18] >> of the agenda of the agenda.
[2:11:21] >> There isn't a there isn't an
[2:11:22] accomplishment
[2:11:26] for
[2:11:27] >> so we just say that there's a vacancy on
[2:11:29] the board of trustees to declare
[2:11:31] vacancy.
[2:11:32] >> Oh yeah.
[2:11:35] » Have a scripture. Um,
[2:11:38] and then we do that.
[2:11:41] Move to declare a vacancy on a board of
[2:11:43] trustees.
[2:11:45] Is there a motion to declare vacancy on
[2:11:49] the board of trustees?
[2:11:51] >> Um, that we're actually declare it.
[2:11:55] There we go. We're done.
[2:11:58] >> Um, so now basically we'll want somebody
[2:12:01] to nominate someone um as a new mayor
[2:12:04] pro 10.
[2:12:06] All right. So, yeah, we were lost.
[2:12:11] >> Yeah, since Jonathan had to resign from
[2:12:14] the board, then he was our pro. So,
[2:12:17] we're going to have to elect one of us
[2:12:19] to be
[2:12:23] your elections.
[2:12:33] » Anybody want to be?
[2:12:40] Well, I I I would like to appoint Trevor
[2:12:45] until his term is up
[2:12:48] and then after elections then after
[2:12:51] January will vote in somebody else.
[2:12:55] Anybody [clears throat] okay with that?
[2:12:58] >> I think Trevor is extremely
[2:13:02] >> just
[2:13:09] we should um do a first motion and a
[2:13:12] second motion and then a vote to declare
[2:13:14] the vacancy on the board.
[2:13:16] [clears throat]
[2:13:17] >> That
[2:13:19] sound like the motion would declare.
[2:13:24] » Okay.
[2:13:25] >> All right. All those in favor say I.
[2:13:27] >> I. Say n.
[2:13:30] >> All right.
[2:13:31] >> I'll say I. Thank you.
[2:13:32] >> Okay. So then, mayor, were you making a
[2:13:34] motion to nominate Trevor? Yes. I'll
[2:13:36] make a motion to nominate Trevor as
[2:13:38] mayor pro 10 through the end of the
[2:13:41] year.
[2:13:43] Do you accept the nomination?
[2:13:45] >> Do
[2:13:47] I know
[2:13:50] you
[2:13:57] » the end of his term?
[2:13:59] >> Right. We start new in January.
[2:14:06] in on the minutes from last month
[2:14:12] » it says
[2:14:14] town hall and highway 45
[2:14:17] >> right I saw that and I think it was the
[2:14:21] dra the other guys that were taking
[2:14:24] >> and I think they just um misprinted I
[2:14:28] don't
[2:14:28] >> so
[2:14:30] 86 His [clears throat] youth is there
[2:14:36] and this is 8645 is there.
[2:14:39] >> I think he just missed.
[2:14:42] >> Did you get that?
[2:14:44] >> So it was the minute from
[2:14:50] the very back
[2:14:54] A.
[2:14:55] >> Okay.
[2:14:57] So Highway
[2:14:59] 86.
[2:15:01] Yeah.
[2:15:04] So,
[2:15:08] » so you're hoping to amend the minutes?
[2:15:10] Yeah.
[2:15:12] >> Yeah. I think we need to go back then
[2:15:14] because we've already made a motion to
[2:15:15] approve them.
[2:15:19] Where am I?
[2:15:22] >> I saw that too. I just print and I guess
[2:15:26] if it's important enough to change it.
[2:15:29] >> Okay. So, Okay. Wait. So, 586 instead of
[2:15:33] 45.
[2:15:37] » Okay. So, I would recommend that you
[2:15:40] make a new motion.
[2:15:42] >> Well, do we need we need to finish the
[2:15:43] one we're on, right? So, we needed Yes.
[2:15:47] >> So, we need a second on
[2:15:49] Trevor being the mayor.
[2:15:52] >> Okay.
[2:15:54] And then I said something.
[2:15:59] » They're all so tight.
[2:16:01] >> Okay. So, let's do this one,
[2:16:04] which is the Trevor mayor for 10. So,
[2:16:08] all in favor of Trevor being a mayor for
[2:16:11] 10 until the end of the year.
[2:16:14] I don't know. Okay.
[2:16:22] » So, compenting
[2:16:26] back the consent items on the
[2:16:29] >> we have we would need
[2:16:33] >> so we approve the consent items with
[2:16:38] [clears throat]
[2:16:47] » so can you do the motion to um approve
[2:16:50] the minutes with the amended
[2:16:53] the consent items with the um amended
[2:16:56] [clears throat] minutes.
[2:16:59] Somebody make that motion.
[2:17:04] » That motion
[2:17:06] >> second
[2:17:22] Yes. Okay. So, resolution 202615, a
[2:17:25] resolution approving an governmental
[2:17:28] agreement with Elbert County Clerk and
[2:17:29] reporter regarding the conduct and
[2:17:32] administration of the November 20
[2:17:35] November 3rd, 2026 general election. Can
[2:17:38] everybody read that?
[2:17:40] where
[2:17:43] it should be. So we have to do
[2:17:46] >> we have to do it every time there's an
[2:17:47] election
[2:17:48] >> election they basically handle
[2:17:49] everything
[2:17:51] has to be
[2:17:52] >> right
[2:17:53] >> resolution
[2:17:53] >> but they have it they have it be a joint
[2:17:57] because that when she sent me the first
[2:17:59] 16 pages and I didn't get the rest I did
[2:18:03] get that part so you probably didn't get
[2:18:05] that part because I don't I really don't
[2:18:08] think so
[2:18:11] you today's
[2:18:14] the constitution.
[2:18:16] >> So, do we know what's going on?
[2:18:21] >> You guys,
[2:18:23] >> we never we never
[2:18:27] basically you we whatever the board
[2:18:31] never
[2:18:34] you didn't decide to put any ballot
[2:18:36] measures on this year. So, there is no
[2:18:38] ballot measures. The only thing that
[2:18:39] will be on the election this year is
[2:18:42] your position. There will not any ballot
[2:18:44] measures. There'll be no taxes. No,
[2:18:46] >> we can't add that now.
[2:18:47] >> You cannot.
[2:18:49] >> Nope. That that
[2:18:50] >> we do that before the end of July.
[2:18:52] >> Yeah. Before mid July. Yeah.
[2:18:55] >> So, um the the dates are very precise
[2:18:59] just like I have to have the packets in
[2:19:01] by the 24th at 4 o'clock otherwise we
[2:19:04] going to go on the ballot. I think we'd
[2:19:06] all agreed previously that we wouldn't
[2:19:09] try to add another T this year or
[2:19:12] anything like that because everybody's
[2:19:14] been voting down the last year
[2:19:16] >> and we want to do a better job educating
[2:19:19] >> Yes.
[2:19:20] >> people.
[2:19:21] >> Yes. So,
[2:19:22] >> so the only thing on the ballot this
[2:19:24] year is your positions. That's it.
[2:19:28] >> I'll make the motion to approve
[2:19:30] resolution
[2:19:31] 2026-15
[2:19:33] which is the
[2:19:41] There's a motion to approve that prevent
[2:19:44] or resolution 202615.
[2:19:48] Um, all those in favor say I.
[2:19:51] >> I. I. Those oppos say nay. Nay.
[2:19:59] We want to ask for discussion.
[2:20:02] I have no idea where we are. That's what
[2:20:04] I Oh, [clears throat]
[2:20:05] you're right. You're in agenda page two
[2:20:10] number C letter C.
[2:20:12] >> It's just an open
[2:20:17] » and we didn't
[2:20:19] in the capacity that I'm happy.
[2:20:26] Thank you.
[2:20:29] Well, I guess I could have flipped
[2:20:30] through and figured out what page you
[2:20:32] were looking for.
[2:20:34] ways in here. It's page 133.
[2:20:38] >> Yeah.
[2:20:38] >> Oh, yep. I just looked to it.
[2:20:40] >> Okay. So the next thing you will be
[2:20:43] looking for is page
[2:20:49] >> 147
[2:20:54] on page 147 is resolution number 2026-16
[2:20:59] town of KY
[2:21:01] for trusted resolution approving the
[2:21:04] professional services agreement
[2:21:05] technical support for Kaiwa housing and
[2:21:07] community development study between the
[2:21:09] town and Kinley Horn and Associates.
[2:21:14] So, this is to um have them finish
[2:21:19] going on the work that we previously
[2:21:21] said they could do for us.
[2:21:24] >> Well, how they already been doing?
[2:21:26] >> Yeah, but this is this is different and
[2:21:29] um this is a new
[2:21:32] um part of the
[2:21:34] uh grant that we received to help um do
[2:21:38] the housing
[2:21:40] study and all that.
[2:21:42] >> So,
[2:21:43] >> be working with
[2:21:48] dates and the people that we approved
[2:21:51] the last time for the housing study.
[2:21:55] >> So, they'll work together through the
[2:21:56] grant,
[2:21:56] >> but it's all grant funded. So, they'll
[2:21:58] be paid through the grant.
[2:22:02] >> So, it's not going to cost the child,
[2:22:04] >> right?
[2:22:06] So, this is just a study. Um,
[2:22:10] We
[2:22:12] that
[2:22:17] the 123 housing
[2:22:20] yes to to get the low
[2:22:23] >> it's on the affordable housing. So, we
[2:22:27] have to have a study done for all of
[2:22:30] that, too. And then with the new school
[2:22:32] going and the development that'll
[2:22:34] possibly happen over there where the
[2:22:36] school was
[2:22:38] >> there going to be I'm being told it's
[2:22:42] demolition and selling
[2:22:45] that over there and then developing it
[2:22:47] into affordable housing
[2:22:50] >> and possibly other they can they can
[2:22:52] mixed use it. Yeah. Because once the new
[2:22:55] school is built the old one has to be
[2:22:57] the land.
[2:22:58] >> They can't build anything there. That's
[2:22:59] a point.
[2:23:15] » Agree technical support for Ohio housing
[2:23:20] development between
[2:23:22] Timberly and Associates.
[2:23:27] It's a confession.
[2:23:29] So, there's a motion and a second to
[2:23:32] approve resolution number 2026-16.
[2:23:38] All those in favor say I.
[2:23:40] >> I.
[2:23:41] >> Those opposed say nay.
[2:23:44] >> Okay.
[2:23:46] Resolution passes.
[2:23:54] » I heard they're going to put in like a
[2:23:55] community center or something. They're
[2:23:57] going to build houses now.
[2:23:58] >> Well, we don't know. We don't know. It's mixed use, so it could be They've
[2:24:04] talked about Well, it'll be up to
[2:24:05] whoever purchases the property,
[2:24:07] >> but there needs to be kind of a study
[2:24:09] regardless.
[2:24:11] >> Plus, we you know, we still have the
[2:24:13] It's not in town, but there's the
[2:24:15] property that way.
[2:24:17] >> Yeah.
[2:24:17] >> And then there's the property up by the
[2:24:20] water tower.
[2:24:22] So, there's there's several. So, it's
[2:24:24] really looking at
[2:24:27] like feasibility and looking at the
[2:24:29] roads, looking at infrastructure.
[2:24:33] >> Okay.
[2:24:40] Just met with the seniors today and um
[2:24:43] [clears throat]
[2:24:48] they're doing pretty good over there.
[2:24:49] They just need somebody to help paint
[2:24:51] the inside of the building. So, if
[2:24:53] anybody know my contractors that help
[2:24:56] them out. Um, possibly donating their
[2:24:59] work and they are willing to pay but
[2:25:02] haven't been budgeted.
[2:25:04] >> Okay.
[2:25:05] >> Oh, and and another thing I touched on
[2:25:07] earlier was we bought a bunch of no
[2:25:11] parking signs and um no parking in the
[2:25:15] crosswalk signs. And um our summer help
[2:25:18] went around painting fire hydrants and
[2:25:20] painting the lines where you cannot
[2:25:23] park. Um It's all state regulations. And
[2:25:26] so anyway, we bought those and somebody
[2:25:29] down here on the corner behind um
[2:25:35] that little ement that's our right
[2:25:36] there. What is that?
[2:25:41] » And right behind um
[2:25:44] >> where
[2:25:46] construction company.
[2:25:47] >> Yes. Unbridled. We're right behind them.
[2:25:50] >> The alley is here. Unbridled here. And
[2:25:53] then they've been parking their trucks
[2:25:55] back here. And and that's our easement.
[2:25:58] And the utility easement is right there.
[2:26:01] So people have been parking there. So we
[2:26:03] put Teddy put no parking signs there.
[2:26:06] Somebody ripped the no parking sign out
[2:26:09] and threw it in the driveway at the
[2:26:11] shop.
[2:26:14] » So the sheriff's department was
[2:26:15] contacted and they said if we can figure
[2:26:18] out who it is or if they if um we have
[2:26:21] [clears throat] them on camera, they
[2:26:22] will site them.
[2:26:24] So just in the hallway.
[2:26:26] >> No, not in the alleyway. Right there.
[2:26:28] The ement next to that fence in that
[2:26:30] blue house or gray house on the corner
[2:26:32] now.
[2:26:39] » Yeah.
[2:26:48] But why can't the the person that
[2:26:50] lives in that house? Isn't that public?
[2:26:52] right away.
[2:26:54] >> Did you ask permission to put that sign
[2:26:55] on?
[2:26:56] >> Um, it wasn't on the fence. It was on
[2:26:59] >> a post.
[2:27:00] >> It was on a post on our property.
[2:27:02] >> I don't think anyone would know that
[2:27:04] that's even a
[2:27:06] >> So anyway, just so people are aware, if
[2:27:09] you get caught doing it, you're going to
[2:27:10] be cited for
[2:27:14] >> tearing up for [clears throat]
[2:27:15] destruction of a
[2:27:19] centennial dinner. Oh yes,
[2:27:24] >> it was amazing.
[2:27:25] >> Yes. And Tammy did a great job and Kim
[2:27:28] did a great job. The town did a great
[2:27:29] job and the meal was fantastic. And um
[2:27:34] >> Joe Joe Martell did a whole wall of
[2:27:39] photos of the town and all the ranch of
[2:27:43] the county, I should say. All the
[2:27:44] ranches and three new um ranches were
[2:27:49] inducted into the Centennial Ranches. Um
[2:27:56] Tammy gave Oh, they had a m a couple of
[2:27:59] musicians that played music and that was
[2:28:01] really great.
[2:28:02] >> That was fun.
[2:28:03] >> It was a really good time.
[2:28:05] >> Yeah. Um and off the back, sorry, I do
[2:28:07] have another on the ice cream social.
[2:28:09] >> Oh, yeah.
[2:28:10] >> I think it was very successful
[2:28:12] that night. There's
[2:28:14] >> Right. There's like 3 to 4 thousand
[2:28:15] people there is what was estimated
[2:28:18] >> and we went we sold out. Sold out. We
[2:28:22] ran out of ran out of ice cream and the
[2:28:24] cases. And then also we the books. Um
[2:28:28] Sasha's going to be ordering us some
[2:28:30] more because we only had like what three
[2:28:32] or four left.
[2:28:33] >> Yeah.
[2:28:34] >> So there'll be more available and see if
[2:28:37] we can get those sold. They're only $20.
[2:28:41] >> They're so cute. Little kids. Yeah.
[2:28:43] >> Yeah.
[2:28:44] >> Put them all in if it
[2:28:50] » Yeah. was like, "How to make tacos."
[2:28:53] >> Brown your meat. Put it in the taco
[2:28:55] shell. Put your favorite stuff on it.
[2:28:58] >> I love tacos.
[2:28:59] >> The drone show.
[2:29:02] >> I see. I can tell you. Um I had some
[2:29:05] people from Arizona that came up in the
[2:29:08] fair and said, "The [clears throat]
[2:29:11] same people that bought the pig."
[2:29:13] >> They bought the pig.
[2:29:14] >> Yes. I actually watched the drone show
[2:29:16] with the lady from Arizona who bought
[2:29:18] the pig.
[2:29:19] >> Okay. That's
[2:29:20] >> they
[2:29:22] loved it.
[2:29:24] >> I think they had a pretty large
[2:29:28] >> but
[2:29:31] I'm trying to think there's three.
[2:29:38] » Yeah, you would. Um, also on the the
[2:29:41] drone show, I want to just say thanks to
[2:29:43] everybody who helped go out and set up
[2:29:46] the drones
[2:29:47] >> and and if they're listening, it was
[2:29:48] Jonathan and his family and a few other
[2:29:51] people
[2:29:52] >> and Dale and my husband Patrick. They
[2:29:54] set them out.
[2:29:55] >> Yeah. So, he
[2:30:00] » they have a grid.
[2:30:01] and literally Yeah.
[2:30:03] They take a drone and you set the drone
[2:30:05] down and then they have it like two feet
[2:30:07] over. You set the next drone and then
[2:30:08] you go two feet over. You set the next
[2:30:10] drone in their whatever their grid
[2:30:11] spacing was.
[2:30:13] >> Yeah. It took him a couple hours to set
[2:30:15] all 500 drones out.
[2:30:16] >> He's got a computer in the trailer that
[2:30:19] he does everything that all the drones
[2:30:22] >> and they have like a number. So they're set on the grid based on their
[2:30:27] number. And then
[2:30:27] >> So how did they design like somebody
[2:30:30] designed like the
[2:30:33] computerized
[2:30:36] Then they
[2:30:38] go to what elevation and location
[2:30:42] they got
[2:30:44] >> they set them up I think set them up for
[2:30:47] 13 years ago.
[2:30:49] >> It's pretty impressive.
[2:30:52] » So they went over and helped pick up
[2:30:54] too.
[2:30:57] >> They were new drones and they were old
[2:30:58] drones. So you had to stack them all
[2:31:00] according to
[2:31:06] fine. Anyway, anybody else?
[2:31:08] >> Um,
[2:31:11] so, and this might be a question for
[2:31:13] you, but there's a restaurant in town
[2:31:16] that's restaurant, always been a
[2:31:18] restaurant, and now it's going under new
[2:31:21] ownership.
[2:31:22] >> Yes. But they have to go to planning
[2:31:25] commission first.
[2:31:26] >> Is that always a thing?
[2:31:28] >> Yeah.
[2:31:28] >> New business because it's a new
[2:31:30] business. She was told like special use.
[2:31:34] >> So, how does that work? If it's a
[2:31:35] restaurant, now it's going to be a
[2:31:36] restaurant again.
[2:31:37] >> It's not special use. It's just a new
[2:31:40] business. So, all the businesses have to
[2:31:42] go for approval.
[2:31:44] >> It's just like
[2:31:46] >> she must be talking to everybody because
[2:31:48] I have the same
[2:31:51] business.
[2:31:52] >> Yeah. I mean, she any new business like
[2:31:56] needs to come in and talk to us before
[2:31:58] they start,
[2:31:59] >> but then they have to go to planning
[2:32:01] commission first. I'm just thinking
[2:32:04] >> it's just there's a set of steps you
[2:32:07] have to go through.
[2:32:11] » Well, that's kind of what I'm confused
[2:32:13] about. I don't know if like that's just
[2:32:16] in our
[2:32:18] >> It's in the steps to obtain your license
[2:32:21] or a new business.
[2:32:22] >> They have to go through
[2:32:25] is it's
[2:32:28] >> the preapp meeting and then if they have
[2:32:31] to come talk about if they're going to
[2:32:33] make any changes because that has to go
[2:32:35] with fire and everything. Is there any
[2:32:37] structural changes in building?
[2:32:39] >> What happens if planning conditions like
[2:32:42] no, we don't want a restaurant there
[2:32:43] anymore?
[2:32:44] >> Well, typically has to follow really
[2:32:47] objective criteria for whether or not
[2:32:49] it's going to give like a permit or a
[2:32:51] yeah, like a business license because
[2:32:53] it's a right, you know what I mean? So,
[2:32:56] they it's usually a judicial process.
[2:33:00] >> They know to them and then it wouldn't
[2:33:02] come to [clears throat] us. Right.
[2:33:06] >> Either way, it comes before,
[2:33:08] >> right? So, the planning commission could
[2:33:10] say, "We don't recommend it." And you
[2:33:13] can still overrule the planning
[2:33:14] commission.
[2:33:15] >> I don't see [clears throat] that
[2:33:16] happening. Your planning commission is
[2:33:18] very pro business.
[2:33:20] >> So,
[2:33:21] >> and typically, yeah, it's it's pretty
[2:33:22] objective criteria. Isn't just like I
[2:33:24] don't like the idea of a restaurant.
[2:33:26] It's more like does the did the
[2:33:29] application fulfill all the requirements
[2:33:31] it's supposed to.
[2:33:32] >> Right. So regardless, it'll come before
[2:33:38] >> we
[2:33:40] administrator notes. We have
[2:33:42] >> you want the time to talk first.
[2:33:45] >> I don't have any. Okay. Nice. Okay.
[2:33:48] >> I have a fill in for administrator. Um
[2:33:50] so there's a couple things I was going
[2:33:51] to talk about the social but good you did great. No we talked about that.
[2:33:56] Um parks. Um so as you know we got the
[2:33:59] goal grant and things have started um
[2:34:02] they have started um putting together
[2:34:05] the dome piece um the parts are down
[2:34:09] there at Nordman Park. So they are
[2:34:11] starting to assemble the dome
[2:34:13] >> the dome for like playground.
[2:34:15] >> Yep. The dome playgrounds.
[2:34:17] >> I saw that today and I'm like I don't
[2:34:19] know how a kid is going to play on this.
[2:34:20] >> Yeah. It's just not set up yet. But it's
[2:34:24] gonna have as I think has ropes and
[2:34:26] stuff where the kids can climb and but
[2:34:28] it's not all assembled yet. So, um
[2:34:32] >> if you've been to Miller Park over
[2:34:36] >> Yeah, those are cool.
[2:34:37] >> Yeah. So, um they had to bring they had
[2:34:40] to pause because they had to bring in a
[2:34:42] team to um excavate down because they
[2:34:45] have to go so many inches down
[2:34:49] whatever to for the plate for the
[2:34:51] footing or whatever. Um, and then next
[2:34:54] week the pavilion will be
[2:34:59] built over at Nordman. They'll get that
[2:35:03] one done first. Um, are they going to
[2:35:05] put the cement in first?
[2:35:08] No, they're going to build the structure
[2:35:09] first and then come back. Um, and then
[2:35:11] they'll do the pavilion um over at
[2:35:14] Valley and then some rest of the
[2:35:17] playground equipment is start coming in.
[2:35:21] um in the next couple months and they'll
[2:35:23] start assembling it and then the
[2:35:26] uh Kimborn is working on the
[2:35:30] parking lot uh study or whatever to
[2:35:33] figure that out for Fawn Valley. Um the
[2:35:36] basketball court at Farm Valley will be
[2:35:38] rehashed
[2:35:40] I think in this next month. And then um
[2:35:44] in the spring they will do the bathrooms
[2:35:47] and the splash pad with the idea that
[2:35:50] the splash pad will be open then for
[2:35:52] Memorial Day weekend
[2:35:56] on Wednesday. Uh that project is going
[2:35:58] forward. So we are we are moving things
[2:36:01] are starting to happen. Um, so yay
[2:36:04] there. Um, and then something else Kim
[2:36:07] wanted me to uh talk to you about. Um,
[2:36:10] and I already talked to the water board
[2:36:14] and um, they gave their approval just so
[2:36:17] you have that in the back of your head.
[2:36:19] Um, because of how
[2:36:23] their firm is readjusting
[2:36:26] um, to keep
[2:36:29] uh, them at our meetings. they have
[2:36:32] requested that we move our meeting to
[2:36:37] the second Wednesday. So today is the
[2:36:38] second Tuesday. So it would just move to
[2:36:41] tomorrow basically. Um so we would move
[2:36:44] our mo meetings from instead of the
[2:36:46] second Tuesday to the second Wednesday.
[2:36:48] Um,
[2:36:50] the other thing that that would help is
[2:36:54] on those months when we have the second
[2:36:57] Tuesday and the third Wednesday in the
[2:36:59] same week, we have all those meetings
[2:37:02] back toback. That gets a little crazy to
[2:37:04] do. Um, we did check the school board,
[2:37:07] the fire board, and Echo, none of them
[2:37:09] have meetings on the second Wednesday,
[2:37:12] so we wouldn't interfere with that. Um,
[2:37:15] so like I said, I talked to one board
[2:37:17] already
[2:37:18] um earlier this evening and they agreed
[2:37:21] that they would be fine with moving to
[2:37:23] the second Wednesday instead because
[2:37:24] it's like doing that again
[2:37:26] >> because the with Josh's firm
[2:37:31] um the way they're restructuring
[2:37:33] Wednesday um would be better for them to
[2:37:39] be available
[2:37:39] >> better for them to be available
[2:37:41] >> when that would take place in next
[2:37:43] month.
[2:37:45] >> So
[2:37:46] we already did Yeah,
[2:37:53] my question is I don't know
[2:37:56] >> um town charter or whatever else I would
[2:38:00] move
[2:38:02] because it's been the second Tuesday
[2:38:03] since the red seat was
[2:38:09] I don't think I don't
[2:38:10] >> I don't know how
[2:38:11] >> I don't think that's I don't think the
[2:38:12] specific day of the week
[2:38:15] we can
[2:38:26] But I also don't know how
[2:38:29] you know
[2:38:31] since I was black then I black
[2:38:35] say
[2:38:38] >> I would say based on participation.
[2:38:42] >> Yeah. I mean, and I, you know, the good
[2:38:44] thing about public meetings is that they
[2:38:46] always have to be like noticed and
[2:38:48] posted. And so maybe the first the first
[2:38:52] maybe couple of times people are might
[2:38:54] get confused and then they might look it
[2:38:56] up and then they'll see online that
[2:38:58] >> this is what it is.
[2:39:00] >> But we can also put it out on social
[2:39:02] media ahead of time.
[2:39:03] >> Yeah. So, I think we should um double
[2:39:07] check the charter first because that was
[2:39:09] my question to Trevor
[2:39:11] >> because I remember specifically it
[2:39:13] saying something in there about it being
[2:39:15] the second Tuesday and at one time I
[2:39:17] talked to Josh about it.
[2:39:19] >> Um
[2:39:21] so I I'm not sure what we have to do to
[2:39:24] change the charter.
[2:39:28] >> Check the charter first.
[2:39:31] >> It's not an official vote yet. It's not
[2:39:34] a It's not an actionable item,
[2:39:36] >> right?
[2:39:36] >> It was more just getting a feel. Like I
[2:39:39] said, the waterboard said they would be
[2:39:40] agreeable to moving
[2:39:47] » some of the people
[2:39:51] to put in applications for the board.
[2:39:56] >> I will talk to
[2:39:57] >> I'm going to talk to her tomorrow
[2:39:58] because I'm going to go take the packet
[2:40:00] to her tomorrow.
[2:40:00] >> Okay. because the first surgery she
[2:40:02] wasn't
[2:40:04] um she lives on my sha on that great
[2:40:09] house right on the corner of my house
[2:40:12] >> she had foot surgery so I told her I
[2:40:14] would drop off her packet tomorrow after
[2:40:16] so I can talk to her about that
[2:40:18] >> so and I just wanted to say really quick
[2:40:21] um that the I can look a little bit
[2:40:24] deeper but overall under board meetings
[2:40:26] under the charter it says the board will
[2:40:27] meet regularly at least once each month
[2:40:29] unless increased by ordinance at a day,
[2:40:32] hour and place to be fixed by the rules
[2:40:33] of proceedings of each board. So, we may
[2:40:36] want to just look at the rules of
[2:40:37] procedure for the the town board. Um,
[2:40:42] but [clears throat] it isn't like set in
[2:40:43] the chart that has to be the first two.
[2:40:46] >> Okay, good. Good.
[2:40:48] >> So, in general, general, we'd be okay
[2:40:51] with it as we figure stuff out.
[2:40:59] » Okay. That's it for me.
[2:41:01] >> Okay, we got
[2:41:03] nothing new there. You already done.
[2:41:07] >> Yeah, but we got it welded.
[2:41:10] >> It's now
[2:41:14] in the demolition destruction.
[2:41:17] >> Is there is there other places in town
[2:41:19] that applies to
[2:41:21] >> what?
[2:41:22] >> That parking area that the town owns. I
[2:41:25] mean, was that the only
[2:41:28] He's been going around putting in signs
[2:41:30] where they're supposed to be legally
[2:41:32] signs put in. Um and then um painting
[2:41:36] [clears throat] the red lines on the the
[2:41:38] sidewalks
[2:41:40] designating a no parking zone
[2:41:43] >> because like you're not supposed to like
[2:41:44] on tours and stuff there's like a
[2:41:45] certain section where you can't park on
[2:41:48] like
[2:41:54] » the crosswalk you can't park.
[2:41:57] I don't know. How many times I see
[2:41:59] people going to Echo parking in that
[2:42:01] property? You know, it's
[2:42:08] » Well,
[2:42:11] there was a plastic linear post there.
[2:42:15] It has It's no longer
[2:42:17] >> down by the place like across from the
[2:42:21] beauty shop that they can't park in that
[2:42:24] under that big tree or
[2:42:26] >> I don't know. They don't know about
[2:42:28] these
[2:42:29] >> in the grassy area.
[2:42:31] >> That's the grassy area is owned by
[2:42:33] >> I understand that. But
[2:42:37] >> yeah,
[2:42:37] >> I don't talk to about that.
[2:42:40] >> I don't know. But
[2:42:43] >> everybody get
[2:42:44] >> this the report. I gota tell you, I've
[2:42:48] got some neighbors that are not super
[2:42:50] happy. I getting letters saying that
[2:42:53] they're occupying their uh campers,
[2:42:56] >> but they're not. I'm like, how can you
[2:42:58] prove that? How can you say you live in
[2:43:00] that?
[2:43:02] >> She didn't go in there.
[2:43:04] >> You know what I mean?
[2:43:05] >> I don't know.
[2:43:06] >> And then you're stuck fighting.
[2:43:08] >> We don't know. We don't we
[2:43:12] >> Yeah, we don't we don't get to see it.
[2:43:14] We separate out code enforcement and
[2:43:16] municipal court. We don't have anything
[2:43:18] to do with it.
[2:43:18] >> Well, but I know that there's been phone
[2:43:21] calls to Susie and she very quick to get
[2:43:23] back at all.
[2:43:26] >> Okay, that's good to know.
[2:43:27] >> And I've had a couple of complaints
[2:43:29] about it.
[2:43:32] >> She thinks that she knows that people
[2:43:33] are living in their campers.
[2:43:37] >> Explain
[2:43:39] she doesn't get the people that actually
[2:43:41] are living in their campus. I know that
[2:43:43] for a fact.
[2:43:44] >> Oh yeah.
[2:43:47] » Um any
[2:43:54] board with cell phone use and virtual
[2:43:57] attendance during meetings. Do you have
[2:44:00] anything on that? Because um
[2:44:04] I do.
[2:44:05] >> Yeah. What did you what did you want to
[2:44:06] say about it?
[2:44:07] >> So I know that it's it's hard not pick
[2:44:12] up our phone if it buzzes
[2:44:15] >> or like somebody texting you saying,
[2:44:16] "Hey, I can't hear." You know, they're
[2:44:19] they can pipe up and say, "Hey, I can't
[2:44:22] hear anything on your end, but can you
[2:44:24] hear me? It's not working right." Um,
[2:44:27] and especially during our and Josh got
[2:44:30] on on you last time about using your
[2:44:33] cell phone during our our meeting with
[2:44:36] him in executive session. um things to
[2:44:40] say who's on the other end of that phone
[2:44:42] um whether you're recording it or or
[2:44:45] not.
[2:44:47] I just wanted to bring up the fact that
[2:44:49] we we need to make sure we keep our
[2:44:51] phones away while we're in a meeting in
[2:44:54] order to focus on our meeting. That's
[2:44:56] what we're here for is to help the
[2:44:59] community. And if they see us not paying
[2:45:01] attention and we're on our phone doing
[2:45:04] whatever, then they're not going to
[2:45:06] think that we're in it for them. you
[2:45:08] know, that's that's my point. And so, I
[2:45:11] just want to make sure that during our
[2:45:13] meetings, our phones stay away wherever.
[2:45:17] And if there is an issue, an emergency
[2:45:19] or anything like that, I can see that.
[2:45:21] But, but how would you know if there's
[2:45:22] an emergency if you can't look at your
[2:45:24] phone?
[2:45:25] >> Um, [clears throat]
[2:45:26] well, I guess I could call town hall.
[2:45:28] >> Nobody's going to answer the phone.
[2:45:31] >> We're right here. We can hear ring in
[2:45:34] the office, but uh yeah, walk through
[2:45:36] that door.
[2:45:37] >> Okay.
[2:45:40] I mean,
[2:45:42] I got a 10-year-old 200 feet away by
[2:45:44] himself.
[2:45:46] >> So, I could have
[2:45:56] » some of that information out to people.
[2:46:05] But anyway,
[2:46:10] anyhow, that's all I got to say. Anybody
[2:46:13] else have anything to add?
[2:46:17] » I did, but I forgot what it was.
[2:46:28] » Yes, please.
[2:46:31] And
[2:46:34] » are we
[2:46:38] meeting at 9:15 p.m.
[2:46:44] >> Thank you.