[0:01] march 24 2020
[0:06] heavenly father heavenly father we come
to you today and ask for your guidance
[0:10] wisdom
and support as we begin this meeting
[0:14] help us engage in meaningful discussion
allow us to grow closer as a group and
[0:19] nurture the bonds of our community
amen
[0:25] i pledge allegiance to the flag of the
united states of america and to the
[0:30] republic for which it stands one nation
under god
[0:35] indivisible with liberty and justice for
all
[0:51] the city of kirby is dedicated to
delivering excellent municipal services
[0:55] to our community in a fiscally
responsible manner
[0:58] city secretary please call role
mayor pro tem grant here
[1:03] council member apoca care
member salazar
[1:08] he did let us know he wouldn't be able
to attend
[1:11] council member greider
she did let us know she's going to be
[1:15] running a little bit late okay council
member street here
[1:19] council remember martin here
mayor aldridge here we have a forum
[1:25] okay
[1:31] citizen participation
we have one two three four
[1:36] six people
signed up to speak
[1:39] first is ernest sprotling
[1:46] moving on roger romans is next
[1:52] [Music]
[1:56] good evening madam mayor council
[2:00] i'm discussing the agenda item
request and announcements
[2:06] request by mayor and council members for
items to be placed on future city
[2:11] council agendas
and announcements on city events
[2:16] and community interest
i'm addressing this because
[2:21] all too often
council members are using the platform
[2:25] to use their authority to project things
other than what's on the agenda
[2:31] and during this item
at the last council meeting
[2:35] during announcements
section
[2:38] the residents were subjected to a
pathetic narrative by councilman grant
[2:44] what sounded to me like a cry for
sympathy as he feels he has been
[2:49] inappropriately attacked by some
individuals
[2:53] i took offense that he specifically
called me out by name in this matter
[2:59] i took offense because while i was on
council
[3:04] with mr grant
myself my family
[3:08] including minor children
were wrongly subjected to a character
[3:12] assassination campaign
in an attempt to delegitimize me as a
[3:17] council person in this community
actions
[3:22] at the last meeting
that were characterized by you mr grant
[3:26] as lowest of the low
yet at a council meeting
[3:31] while miss pierce was mayor
i addressed this matter and i was told
[3:36] by mayor pierce that there would be no
apology
[3:39] and in the announcement portion
when you spoke mr grant you condoned
[3:45] that which you called lowest of the low
behavior
[3:48] by stating directly to me
that i deserved everything that i got
[3:55] madame mayor if you want to move this
city forward in a positive direction
[4:00] you will need to improve the character
and culture that has pervaded this body
[4:05] for far too long thank you very much
have a good evening thank you mr romans
[4:13] mr miller you are signed up to speak uh
would you like to speak now
[4:17] absolutely
[4:22] jack miller i live on dick gordon street
so at the last meeting after i was
[4:27] kicked out which by the way mayor
don't tell your police
[4:32] to escort me from the building all you
have to do is say jack leave my my
[4:36] meeting
and i'll do what you say because i
[4:38] follow the law
and the law requires me to leave if you
[4:41] tell me to
stop trying to weaponize your police
[4:47] they're law enforcement they don't have
the authority to kick me out of this
[4:50] meeting only you do
stop asking them to do your bidding you
[4:55] want me to leave you tell me to leave i
leave i just want to put that on the
[4:58] record i have no problem with leaving
in fact if you would have just told me
[5:03] to leave i would have got my stuff and
just walked out
[5:08] it would have been a problem but no i
put on a show
[5:12] because because of you i had an officer
in my face ready to put hands on me
[5:19] which would cost your city a lot of
money
[5:22] you have a chief that's in charge of
those officers you're not in charge of
[5:27] them that chief is
you want them officers to do something
[5:32] on your behalf you ask the chief the
chief will make sure that those officers
[5:35] do what they're supposed to do according
to the law
[5:38] after i was kicked out mr grant goes on
a tirade
[5:46] making some false statements now i've
read the police report and i've done
[5:49] some in-depth investigation and i have
questions about michael's death and i
[5:53] have a right to ask those questions
[5:58] michael can't talk
so i have questions like for instance
[6:02] why did the police call dr kaufman a
primary care physician
[6:06] who quote was ready to sign a death
certificate without hesitation
[6:10] when michael was not on hospice
at seven in the morning dr kaufman is my
[6:15] doctor one of the dirtiest doctors
around
[6:20] why did the police call the me's office
and tell them we got a death certificate
[6:24] that's going to be signed
[6:27] that resulted in the emmy not coming out
and i don't know if you know this but
[6:32] texas law requires on
a death
[6:36] that is not hospice
for a medical examiner inquisition or
[6:41] inquest to be made
an autopsy to be performed
[6:47] he was found according to the police
report with a lamp cord wrapped around
[6:50] his arm
that's according to the police
[6:53] department i see mr grant shaking his
head so is are the police lying there
[6:57] were no drugs found no paraphernalia
found
[7:00] how much was the life insurance policy
zero
[7:04] and i didn't ask for i that was a
rhetorical question
[7:08] please will you call order
i'm giving you your your first right
[7:13] call order on your own counsel people
please
[7:16] call order on anybody in here that gets
out of order
[7:22] why
was the tourniquet removed and the
[7:26] lap cord wrapped around
the arm
[7:31] those these are the kind of for your
time thank you
[7:35] and those statements aren't next up to
speak that's according to you mr mueller
[7:40] that's your first warning thank you
next up to speak is marco antonio
[7:49] give me just a moment before he speaks i
gotta set the yes ma'am
[8:06] okay
go ahead sir
[8:09] hola como estas
[Music]
[8:25] a kirby
[8:46] do you want the police officer they're
standing next to your shoulder are you
[8:49] fixing to criticize the police
[9:00] procedure
[9:37] sir if you have nothing else to say is
your time up
[9:48] threshold
[10:05] thank you sir for your time
[10:14] next up is
mrs mann
[10:21] [Music]
[10:25] hello
um first of all sorry for your uh floss
[10:29] sir
um
[10:32] i live in the gordon area um
i saw the uh live stream of this last
[10:38] meeting and to tell you the truth i'm
kind of appalled
[10:42] on what was said and the lies that were
made
[10:46] you know you can't just accuse people of
doing something without them saying
[10:52] they're going to do it
so if the council member who said that a
[10:58] situation would correct himself
um as far as the agendas goes i wish it
[11:05] would be uh
spoken first then have a discussion
[11:09] about it
thank you have a good day
[11:12] thank you sir
uh next up um i know this person
[11:18] declined to speak but i'm going to give
them the option to speak again mr hunt
[11:23] are you still wishing not to speak
[11:31] and last but not least we have an email
submitted by chris garza
[11:38] mayor i've been asked to read the email
go right ahead
[11:43] okay
i'm gonna have to read fast i only have
[11:45] three minutes
[11:59] good afternoon council tonight i would
like to bring to your attention to city
[12:03] staff mistakes and issues that have been
arisen due to our city staff at city
[12:08] hall
accountability needs to start with our
[12:11] city staff who are the purveyors of
information
[12:14] and make decisions that affect council
and residents our city secretary has
[12:19] been dodging questions i have been
asking by stating that she will answer
[12:23] them without a timeline or without ever
reaching out to answer them
[12:28] she has also been writing minutes in
such a manner that they don't seem to
[12:32] explain the actuality of what's
occurring at the meeting
[12:36] and in certain times left whole things
out altogether of which you guys are
[12:41] aware of because mr roman stated as such
and no one would vote on those minutes
[12:47] and the capacity as our election
official we have seen a huge misuse of
[12:52] power
which was aided by a council majority
[12:57] but what needs to talked about
and brought up is how our election
[13:02] officials was persuaded to place
documentation in the election packet as
[13:07] well as send me a letter stating that i
could not be on the ballot which were
[13:12] both wrongfully done
i have begun the process of writing the
[13:16] ag's office and secretary of state about
these matters and have shown evidence
[13:21] that some senior counsel and senior
staff have essentially colluded against
[13:26] our charter to fulfill their own agendas
my request tonight is simply a way to
[13:31] notify you as counsel that the process
has begun to gather evidence to prove
[13:37] that due to a council majority
that nothing will be done to hold
[13:41] accountable those who are doing your
your bidding
[13:45] no matter how bad their wrongdoing
i tell you that there is a part of the
[13:51] charter article 2 at section 2.16
that allows for you to create an
[13:57] investigative body to inquire into the
conduct
[14:01] of any employee and therefore
a chance to question the bad conduct and
[14:07] mistakes and act accordingly i have no
expectations that this council majority
[14:13] will actually follow through
with the this request
[14:18] but by not doing anything it will
further my evidence that there are
[14:22] people on this majority
who have better access to city services
[14:27] as our city attorney and the employees
in city hall including our city managers
[14:32] the secretary and election official all
do the bidding of a senior council
[14:38] majority and as a favor never get held
accountable to their misdeeds i would
[14:43] like for you to place on the next agenda
to discuss having an investigative body
[14:48] as per our charter to look into the
misdeeds and mistakes of our city
[14:52] secretary and our election official and
hold them accountable to
[15:00] thank you patty you're welcome
[15:04] moving on to 6a fair county appraisal
district and property tax system
[15:18] good evening
uh my name is michael lamesky i'm the
[15:21] chief appraiser for the bear appraisal
district
[15:24] um
i believe they sent some handouts for
[15:27] you yes um just wanted to go real
quickly over the first pages just some
[15:31] bear county statistics
uh for this year uh this reappraisal
[15:36] year
values countywide are up roughly 22
[15:43] for total market value that's not
including any exemptions or anything of
[15:47] that sort that's just a market value
increase
[15:50] if we look at the calendar year from
2020 to 2021
[15:54] according to the real estate center at
texas a m university the average selling
[15:58] price of a home went from 273 to 312
000.
[16:03] our average price now is somewhere
around 309 bear county
[16:07] throughout the entire county
one of the most incredible things about
[16:12] this year i think that when the pandemic
first started everybody expected
[16:16] everything to pull back just like
business had to
[16:20] that nothing could be further from the
truth with respect to real estate values
[16:24] and the availability of supplies to
build new improvements commercially or
[16:29] residentially
and so
[16:31] i think that a lot of these things plus
the influx of people moving into texas
[16:35] something like a thousand every day
uh has caused there to be an extreme
[16:39] housing shortage i think anybody would
recognize that that's the case
[16:44] um
our commercial values are up roughly 18
[16:48] these are county-wide numbers and so
um
[16:52] being somewhat familiar with kirby you
actually won't see those kinds of
[16:55] increases commercially but i know that
residentially the average value of a
[17:00] homestead in kirby is projected to be
about 175 000 this year
[17:06] there's just not a whole lot listed for
sale
[17:08] in that price range
[17:12] there is one correction on that front
page you may or may not have heard but
[17:17] we had a ransomware attack at our office
this week
[17:20] and so we push back the date to mail
notices from april 1st to april the 8th
[17:26] taxpayers will still have about five
weeks to file their protest the protest
[17:31] deadline is may 15th
by law
[17:35] the protests will actually be extended
to the 16th since the 15th falls on a
[17:39] weekend
the next several pages just show
[17:43] multiple years of how the red line would
be according to the real estate center
[17:48] at texas a m university this chart will
show
[17:51] values doing this basically since 2011.
our values would be the values in green
[17:58] and you'll see that we've been tracking
that value very closely
[18:02] uh never any closer than this year as i
say the average selling price of a
[18:06] residence homestead was three hundred
and twelve thousand five fifty five the
[18:10] average value on the roll is 309 118.
if you look at the next page
[18:17] talks about the average residential
sales price by year by county
[18:21] and essentially you can see at the very
top of the page is travis county that's
[18:26] austin texas and williamson county
with the highest prices it almost well
[18:31] more than double the average selling
price here in bexar county while bear
[18:34] county remains affordable the majority
of our major
[18:38] taxing jurisdictions don't offer
a additional
[18:44] local option homestead exemption if you
will
[18:47] in austin dallas houston most of their
cities the counties offer a 20 percent
[18:53] even in comal county in new braunfels
they offer a 20
[18:57] local option homestead exemption for the
city as well as a county
[19:01] now in bear county one of the things
that we do have going for us that is
[19:04] atypical of large metros in texas is is
that the big four taxing jurisdiction is
[19:10] what i call them which is the city the
county the school and the community
[19:13] college district they all freeze
currently
[19:16] so
if you're an over 65 senior your taxes
[19:20] are frozen for those four jurisdictions
irrespective of what happens to the
[19:23] value or
the tax rates
[19:29] the last page just shows again
the
[19:32] median residential sales price
by all counties and again bear county is
[19:37] the most affordable of all of them but
that median has crept up to two
[19:43] and so if you'll just look in 2005
value
[19:48] in your city was 188 million 733 000
about 2014 it had climbed more than
[19:55] double well almost doubled uh to 223
900 000.
[20:01] if you look at uh the projection for
2022
[20:05] it's 618 million 454
617 or roughly
[20:13] 26.75
over last year
[20:16] the very last column shows that your
city has done a pretty good job in terms
[20:19] of adjusting the tax rate as it needs to
when values are high tax rates are
[20:24] supposed to come down
y'all have been pretty true to that
[20:29] if you look at the
the last column
[20:32] the estimated change in levy
is projected to go up by more than 20
[20:38] if that tax rate remains the same as it
was last year and that's just for your
[20:42] information
the value history the estimated tax levy
[20:47] is all there at the bottom of the page
one of the things that i wanted to
[20:51] mention to you is
oftentimes get asked what are we
[20:55] supposed to do with these increasing
property values
[21:00] and that was a really interesting
article written by ross ramsey in the
[21:03] texas tribune and the crux of it was
[21:07] elected officials who get elected every
two years to the state legislature and
[21:11] say they're going to fight to lower your
property taxes i've been in this
[21:14] business for 40 years i'm about a year
and a half away from retiring i'll be
[21:19] 62.
i can tell you right now
[21:23] every year since i've been in this
business and i've done everything you
[21:26] can from moppa floor to be the chief
appraiser at my office i can tell you
[21:30] that i've never seen the legislature do
anything below the property taxes
[21:35] you have to understand the relationship
of property taxes school funding and how
[21:41] it impacts local homeowners it makes for
a really good bumper sticker
[21:46] but it does not help any homeowners
the bottom line is every time the values
[21:52] go up and the tax rates don't come down
that's more money to the state
[21:57] in this year's state budget they are
projected to take in
[22:01] 6.75 billion dollars more than they did
in the last biennium
[22:09] the more money they take in the less
money they put into local schools the
[22:13] more local tax rates have to come up
that's probably a conversation for
[22:19] another meeting and i will say before i
leave i've given you all my cards
[22:24] on the back of that card is jennifer
she's my executive assistant if you need
[22:28] a town hall if your residents feel like
they want to talk to us here
[22:33] we'll come back we'll do that and we'll
talk specifically about how to file a
[22:38] protest
there is some protest information in
[22:40] there that i do want to share with you
because she was kind enough to print it
[22:43] out
and that would be this document this is
[22:47] just the basic protest form
and most importantly
[22:51] she highlighted for you
with red arrows the most important
[22:55] things that taxpayers need to remember
to do and that is to check off what
[22:58] reason you're protesting every time
you're going to check off it's over
[23:02] market it's too high and it's not
equally appraised just do it
[23:06] the next thing you're going to want to
do is to make sure and
[23:10] uh let us know how you want to handle
this meeting do you want it in english
[23:13] do you want it in spanish do you want to
do it in person do you want to do it via
[23:17] zoom or webex or by telephone either way
we'll accommodate anything we are going
[23:22] to be working remotely
at the beginning to try to get the vast
[23:26] majority of these things done i think
last year we only had 600 live persons
[23:30] come through out of 141 000 appeals
but we saw
[23:36] this will be pushed off until the end of
the season
[23:39] the last thing you're going to want to
do is to check off the box that says
[23:42] evidence
that's my evidence and i'll tell you
[23:45] very succinctly that the reason you want
to do that as a taxpayer homeowner small
[23:49] business owner
city council member not elected official
[23:52] doesn't matter you have the same rights
afforded to you under the law
[23:56] if you check that box i have to give you
every ounce of information that i have
[24:00] and i can't give it to you by law until
you file a
[24:02] protest i'm talking about sales prices
i have sales prices texas is a
[24:08] non-disclosure state so every time a
piece of property sells we don't know
[24:12] about it
we will mail buyers and sellers
[24:15] questionnaires nobody's under any
requirement of while it even says so for
[24:19] them to respond to it but we generally
get about 30 35 percent back county-wide
[24:24] we get enough to do our job
and basically
[24:28] what makes that really tough is
i can't you know madam mayor if you
[24:33] called me 10 years ago and said mike i'd
like all the sales in my community i'd
[24:37] send them to you
if any taxpayer asked for him i'd send
[24:40] it to him
now
[24:43] the legislature has seen fit to make it
a requirement of law that you have to
[24:47] have a property currently under protest
for the year in question for the year
[24:51] that you're making your open records
request
[24:53] that doesn't really sound like open
government to me but that's the law
[24:58] if a taxpayer wants that information the
number one thing you need to do
[25:02] whether you agree with the value whether
you disagree with the value just to
[25:05] protect your right to appeal it's called
a protest it's really a conversation
[25:10] we'll sit down and talk to anybody last
year out of 141 000 taxpayer appeals we
[25:15] had almost a 94 settlement rate nobody
had to go to a hearing nobody had to go
[25:20] before a tribunal nobody had to do
anything to have a conversation with me
[25:23] or my staff
that's what it involved
[25:27] our job is to give them as much
information as we can to help them
[25:30] understand how we arrived at that value
and if we miss something having to do
[25:35] with their home
the next page talks about the kinds of
[25:38] things that are important to your appeal
and these are the most commonly used
[25:43] things
um
[25:45] in terms of
key protest information
[25:49] uh how you want to appeal and the things
that you want to appeal if your home
[25:53] isn't up to par if you have foundation
issues there are a lot of them out in
[25:57] this part of the county
if you have foundation issues roofing
[26:01] issues if your house is 25 years old and
has never been remodeled and you think
[26:05] we're comparing you to remodel
properties that's a reason to appeal
[26:10] in the inner city of san antonio we have
homes that are saha homes that are brand
[26:14] new
and rented to low-income people i have
[26:17] brand new
uh i call them flipper houses if you
[26:20] will they've been completely gutted some
have been demolished and rebuilt so i've
[26:24] got four or five different markets in
almost every neighborhood inside of 410
[26:30] and it extends beyond that some too so
we're very well acquainted and
[26:34] accustomed to dealing with those issues
we just want to make sure that every
[26:38] taxpayer that that wants to file an
appeal has a right to file an appeal
[26:43] and if anybody on this commission
wants to talk to me about how i know
[26:48] about what the state of texas is doing
it's not just my 40 years experience i
[26:52] currently am serving
on the property tax administration
[26:55] advisory board with
for comptroller hager we just had a
[26:59] meeting yesterday
and
[27:02] it was a zoom meeting that's all we've
had for two years nice seeing all of
[27:06] y'all even though i don't know most of
you
[27:10] the fact of the matter is the
comptroller's office the state of texas
[27:14] gets to stand behind the law and say we
don't have a state property tax
[27:19] we typically rank about six in the
nation and the highest property tax in
[27:23] the country and about 45th in the nation
in terms of overall taxation because we
[27:28] don't have an income tax
not an advocate for anything i'm not
[27:32] advocating for this tax or that tax i'm
just telling you why is what it is
[27:37] the legislature in fact does not have
constitutional authority to impose
[27:43] a property tax
but they control all the purse strings
[27:48] they make sure that the appraisal
district in every county and every part
[27:51] of the state of texas is studied every
two years biannually if you will this is
[27:56] a study year for us in bexar county
to make sure that we have appropriately
[28:01] appraised property in a market like this
that means that it's high enough
[28:05] has to be somewhere between 95 and 105
percent of market value not less than 95
[28:11] not more than 105.
that's the state's standard for testing
[28:15] us
i'm giving you the really cheap and
[28:18] dirty version of this but the fact of
the matter is
[28:22] if a school district does not tax at
their maximum tax rate and the appraisal
[28:26] district doesn't pass the property value
study then that school district and
[28:31] those taxpayers aren't entitled to the
full amount of state aid afforded under
[28:36] law that's generally referred to as hb3
in the last funding session i will tell
[28:42] you that there's absolutely nothing
that gives me more angst than having to
[28:47] raise value because there actually are
two ways for taxpayers to appeal
[28:52] market
and equity those are the two boxes i
[28:55] tell you to check off i can tell you
that while we're not supposed to treat
[28:59] taxpayers differently it's my opinion as
a taxpayer that our tax code in this
[29:05] state has since 1997
done just that
[29:12] if a homeowner in kirby on bauman street
wants to compare himself to a homeowner
[29:17] on seguin street there's probably going
to be some pretty good units of
[29:21] comparison
that same equity provision that makes
[29:25] sure that we treat homeowners equally in
this community and in every community in
[29:30] bexar county relative to their neighbors
is very different when you start looking
[29:35] at the jw marriott
the best most
[29:39] revenue generating hotel in the history
of bexar county when they can compare
[29:43] themselves to lesser properties
literally the equity statute requires
[29:48] that
the very best property
[29:52] actually doesn't say that it says that
no property including the very best
[29:56] property in any category can be
appraised above its median level of
[30:00] value
well you know what i bet the median
[30:03] level of value for a homeowner in any
community or any subdivision and san
[30:08] antonio texas is going to be pretty darn
close to their neighbors
[30:13] but when you compare the j.w marriott
to the two other
[30:17] resort hotels in bexar county
there is no comparability
[30:23] the westin has one golf course now they
just sold the other one
[30:28] they also lost the valero texas open to
the jw marriott i'm not picking on the
[30:33] jw marriott i love it i love the golf
course i love their food i don't love
[30:36] their food
they're okay
[30:38] but i will tell you that
as a taxpayer
[30:43] it's it's not
well i'll just let me just close with
[30:47] this i tell my staff
we have a range of value we have to deal
[30:51] with i need to pass that study looking
as poor as i possibly can
[30:56] 95.0123
[30:59] somewhere in there
because i can't give away enough
[31:03] homeowner value to make up for how much
we lose in litigation
[31:07] and appeals on commercial property
because of the equity statute
[31:11] last year i had almost 20 no year before
last i had almost 27 billion dollars in
[31:16] litigation you know how much of it was
commercial
[31:20] 99.999 percent of it you know how many
of them contended that they were over
[31:24] appraised
damn year not one
[31:29] they all claimed equity so the shops at
la candera could compare themselves to
[31:33] the forum
you familiar with the forum are you
[31:36] familiar with the shops at lochunder
maybe it's comparable to
[31:41] the quarry market but they don't compare
themselves to each other they compare
[31:45] themselves to lesser properties to get
that median level of value dropped down
[31:50] in my opinion equity has allowed the
best commercial property not just in our
[31:54] community but in every community in the
state of texas to pay taxes on about 50
[31:58] percent of their actual value
that's what we see
[32:02] if there's any homeowners in here that
want to be heard at a town hall in this
[32:06] community i'm happy to come back and do
that for you
[32:09] if we can
you know make sure we get them signed up
[32:11] for a protest we'll bring ipads we'll
bring appraisers we'll bring
[32:16] to have that conversation and get them
armed to be able to handle the appeal
[32:20] because my staff is going to listen to
whatever you say
[32:24] we're going to do our best to get the
closure on this
[32:27] and with that unless you have any
questions or to discuss tonight
[32:31] okay
do we have any go ahead mr i got a
[32:35] question sir
[32:37] on your
evaluation
[32:41] to homes that have uh like 100 percent
tax exempt
[32:48] how often do you check on that
because in certain instances there's
[32:52] people die
and it gets moved and nothing ever gets
[32:56] reported and
yes sir so whether it's 100 percent or
[33:00] an over 65 or a surviving spouse of 100
or a surviving spouse of an over 65 or
[33:06] disabled persons those things are
checked we send out and i'm sure people
[33:10] in your community have gotten them
because every year we send out about 10
[33:14] 000 reapplication requests
the legislature and i don't mind saying
[33:19] this to homeowners the legislature does
not give me the authority to be a police
[33:23] force
i don't get to go and investigate if the
[33:26] person who's claiming that over 65 or
that 100 percent is actually the person
[33:30] who lives there
in fact if you tell my staff to get off
[33:33] your property you know what we're going
to do we're going to get off your
[33:36] property because i don't have a right to
be there unless you allow it
[33:40] once texas thought it was a good idea
for everybody to carry guns i don't
[33:45] the law are just going to continue to
get away with nothing absolutely
[33:49] and committing forgery on the back of
that document when i make them reapply
[33:53] they're absolutely entitled to it
there's no way to follow up at all
[33:59] there's nothing under the law that
allows me to follow up beyond and let me
[34:02] tell you something one of the best ways
of finding out about those situations is
[34:07] when the guy that lives behind him knows
damn goodwill it's a rent house
[34:12] and that that owner is in a nursing home
or that that owner doesn't live there he
[34:16] or he lives there but he rents out to
four or five rooms to different people
[34:21] and so we go and we ask
and they go no that's not true
[34:26] well i don't have a court of law i can
take that person too
[34:30] but they don't send you a death
certificate or nothing when pro i do
[34:33] purchase all the
bureau of vital statistics information
[34:37] we also get all the dmv information of
course i have to pay for it
[34:41] but we run those reports against our
qualification sheets every year
[34:47] so yeah i mean and and the bad thing is
i'm glad you brought that up if you're
[34:52] an over 65 person or even 100 disabled
person
[34:56] and you're concerned about your estate
and what you're going to leave to your
[35:00] family
it's really critical that you not just
[35:05] talk to an attorney but you talk to some
of our exemption people in our office
[35:08] because we have undone so many things
that attorneys have done that cause
[35:12] people's taxes
to go from three thousand dollars a year
[35:15] to twelve thousand dollars a year
and it's because they mishandled uh that
[35:22] living trust or they mishandled the
ownership they were trying to do the
[35:26] right thing but they put the horse
before the cart and almost got stuck
[35:29] with a big old tax bill
well that's not committing but
[35:35] if you find someone that is
not eligible but they've signed it and
[35:39] said they have
i mean
[35:43] is it not a government document or that
they're saying it is a government
[35:46] document and it has the language in
there pursuant to
[35:49] the penal section dealing with fraud and
defrauding a government office
[35:55] it's up to the county attorney or the
district attorney to file that if they
[35:58] choose
i have yet to see one in any county i've
[36:02] worked in and this is my third county
how extremely rare
[36:08] how can you bring that i mean
so your office can your office report it
[36:14] if we report it
i have to have proof
[36:18] that that person that claimed
qualification no longer has eligibility
[36:22] i don't have any investigation authority
once i ask you and you sign your name on
[36:26] the dotted line
that's it
[36:31] well but when you go back and you say
the neighbor behind or whatever
[36:37] and they know he's deceased and he's
still getting 100 disability if we know
[36:42] he's deceased we will go back and we can
go back five years on that
[36:46] probably the last thing and i almost i
know roy was going to chew me out roy
[36:49] wave at the
this is one of my assistants i'm not
[36:52] going to leave you in the lurch i got
two of those guys at the office that do
[36:55] more work than i ever did
but
[36:58] one of the most important things you
need for your homeowners to know is even
[37:02] if the value goes up 20
it's kind of hard to argue when you look
[37:06] at the sales data
if they have a residence homestead
[37:10] exemption that puts a 10 percent
limitation on it for this year
[37:15] and it may go up 10 percent the next
year if the market continues its
[37:19] trajectory which it's projected to do so
the homestead exemption is literally the
[37:23] protection that a property owner can
afford themselves
[37:27] if they qualified up to two years ago
and don't apply until this year i can
[37:32] give it to them this year and go back to
and dear god don't ever pay anybody to
[37:37] file that document for you there are
companies that used to charge 50 dollars
[37:41] to do this now they want 15 of the tax
savings
[37:45] well the tax savings isn't by the way
there's an election in may to increase
[37:49] your homestead exemption from twenty
five thousand to forty thousand you need
[37:53] to make sure and vote if you don't vote
for anything else vote for that
[37:58] i
option all the way back to two years ago
[38:02] so if you
two for this year i can give it to you
[38:06] for 21 and i give it to you for 20. but
you have to protest first pardon but you
[38:11] have to protest first right you have to
file your homestead exemption first
[38:15] separate issue but here's the thing that
50
[38:19] company that's out there they're out of
plano texas and i did point this out to
[38:23] the lieutenant governor the speaker and
the governor's office and one of the
[38:27] things that
we got told is they're not about to file
[38:30] a law that gets in the way of business
doing their business
[38:34] that's essentially the message i got
and so
[38:39] that 10 percent cap imagine a 10 cap
back in 2020
[38:45] going to 2021 your value probably went
up eight or ten percent and another
[38:49] eight or ten percent and now we're
looking at a 20
[38:52] well over the last three years you're
looking at 40
[38:55] so if you go back and you take that 40
percent
[38:58] at whatever your tax rates were for that
year for those jurisdictions you're
[39:02] going to owe
at least a thousand fifteen hundred
[39:05] dollars that company and here's the rub
with those guys they actually want you
[39:09] to sign a fiduciary agreement so that
the tax office which i am not the tax
[39:14] office i just do values and exemptions
will require you to sign a document that
[39:20] that forces the tax office to send your
refund to them and then they'll send you
[39:24] their half
right when they're good and ready too
[39:29] after they've collected interest for
about a year
[39:31] well we'll do that for them for free
we'll we'll we i have a dozen notaries
[39:36] in my office we'll notarize their
documents i don't care if it's va social
[39:40] security or just their homestead we'll
take care of any of it any any exemption
[39:45] that's on the back of that homestead
which is the homestead the over 65 and
[39:49] 100 disabled we can go back up to up to
two years plus the current year
[39:55] any other questions
[39:58] as i say you have my contact information
jennifer is the best way to get a hold
[40:02] of me her number's on the back of there
that's my direct phone number my direct
[40:06] email if you have any other specific
questions or if you want a town hall
[40:10] back here
we'll be glad to come back out here and
[40:12] do it
all right thank you very very much very
[40:16] much there was a lot of very informative
information that
[40:20] our citizens need to need to know about
yes ma'am thank you all for having us
[40:23] thank you
[40:27] yes that was very good
um
[40:30] 6b
2021 annual racial profiling report
[40:36] uh
chief cardona
[40:52] good evening council um it's that time
of year again um as i had reported last
[40:57] year we're still using del calming the
carmen consulting
[41:01] he basically analyzes our our numbers in
reference to our traffic stops
[41:06] and we get this report that basically
say we are in compliance with the sandra
[41:11] bland act
i'm going to read some numbers to you
[41:14] kind of go through this briefly each of
you should have gotten a copy and there
[41:17] will be a copy
placed
[41:19] out in the lobby the police department
also out in the lobby of city hall after
[41:22] today
last year we this kirby police
[41:26] department conducted at least
2093
[41:29] traffic stops
2084 of those traffic stops
[41:35] race or ethnicity was not known prior to
stop nine of them were
[41:39] um
we had
[41:42] nine of those being alaska native
american indian 28 asian pacific
[41:47] islander
587 african-american or black white 349
[41:52] and hispanic latino 1 120.
the gender of female
[41:58] total 791 the males were 1 302.
the reason for the stops the violation
[42:05] of law for a violation of law was 13
pre-existing knowledge was 55
[42:10] moving traffic violation total was 1
627.
[42:16] the vehicle traffic violation total was
398.
[42:20] out of all those was a search conducted
263 of them were yes and 1830 1830 were
[42:27] no
um the reason for those searches were 42
[42:31] of them were consent to search
uh contraband in plain or in plain view
[42:36] would been nine probable cause was 155.
um inventory total was 50 and incidental
[42:43] arrest was seven
was contraband discovered a total was
[42:48] 151
for yes and 112 for no
[42:54] did the res finding results in arrest
22 were yes and 129 were no
[43:00] the description of contraband the drugs
total found was 126.
[43:06] zero currency weapon
money
[43:10] stolen property was two and other
was 19. the result of the stop was 16
[43:17] verbal warnings
1166 written warnings
[43:22] 841 citations total written warning and
arrest totaled to 47. citation and
[43:28] arrest was 17
and the arrest total was six on the
[43:33] bottom
arrest based on
[43:36] the penal code was 34 violation of
traffic law was one city ordinance was
[43:41] zero and outstanding warrant was 35.
was there any physical
[43:46] force used resulting in bodily injury
during the stop now keep in mind there
[43:50] are some things that have changed this
year you're going to get a little bit
[43:52] more data they've gotten a little bit
more complex this is one of them
[43:56] we have had zero physical force used
that resulted in bodily injury in any of
[44:00] our traffic stops or our encounters in
those traffic stops so the no would been
[44:05] total the traffic stop which is 2093.
and that is it
[44:10] any questions
[44:13] all right guys are there any questions
about the good work thank you chief
[44:18] thank you
[44:24] moving on to 7a
[44:28] consideration in action a minute on
regular meeting minutes on march 10
[44:33] 2022.
[44:45] i have a motion on the table by
councilmember greider and seconded by
[44:48] councilmember apodaca to accept the
regular meeting minutes of march 10 2022
[44:54] city secretary please call roll
council numbered writer
[44:59] yes
council member street yes
[45:02] council member martin no
mayor pro tem grant yes
[45:09] council member apodaca yes
mayor aldrich yes
[45:16] their regular meeting minutes of march
10th 2022 have passed
[45:21] mayor we make a statement after
i mean it's already passed but now
[45:26] the reason i voted no
i believe
[45:30] there was things left out of the minutes
because there was an action made last
[45:35] week when mr miller was escorted out of
here
[45:38] and there was nothing in the minutes
about it i think anything is ever on
[45:41] this video should go into the minutes
that's all i got to say thank you
[45:48] 8 a
[45:52] quarterly financial report period ending
december 31st 2021
[46:08] member street i did email
city manager with my
[46:13] questions after i went through it she
answered almost all of them
[46:17] thank you
um
[46:20] but uh right on the first line it says
this is the financial report for the
[46:24] nine months ending december 31st does it
really mean nine months or does it mean
[46:28] three months
[46:30] okay
just checking because i thought 25 in
[46:34] nine months is kind of flow
um it's
[46:43] there were a couple little things in
there
[46:46] that
were explained
[46:49] but it's not as easy to read as it might
be so
[46:53] maybe in the future
we can work on that
[46:58] thank you
[47:01] monday is this something that we need to
vote on
[47:05] all right if there's not any more
questions i will entertain a motion
[47:12] [Music]
[47:16] [Applause]
may i move to we approve the quarterly
[47:19] finance report period ending december
31st
[47:22] 2021.
we have a motion on the table by council
[47:26] member martin and seconded by mayor pro
tim grant to accept the quarterly
[47:30] financial report period ending december
31st 2021. city secretary please call
[47:36] roll council member martin yes
mayor pro tem grant yes
[47:42] council member apodaca yes
uh council member writer yes
[47:48] council member street yes
mayor aldridge yes the quarterly
[47:53] financial report period ending december
31st 2021 has passed
[47:59] eight b
quarterly investment report period
[48:03] ending december 31 2021 does anybody
have any questions go ahead
[48:08] councilmember street
i'm still wondering why we haven't
[48:13] we talked about having an investment
committee or something of that nature
[48:17] back in january
and we still have not gotten one of
[48:21] those groups together with
i don't know some maybe come some
[48:26] residents as well as members of
finance and and the council to decide
[48:32] where we can put this money that we're
sitting on that's making
[48:37] incredibly no interest
we're talking eight million dollars
[48:41] sitting in tech's pool
that are
[48:44] we're getting a hundred and fifty
dollars for the computer that's crazy
[48:50] um
i have an issue with that and i've had
[48:53] an issue with it for a long time and it
just keeps getting
[48:57] ignored
i think the residents deserve to have
[49:01] their money looked after in a better way
and we're not doing anything to do that
[49:08] so i didn't even look at the numbers on
this because there's not much point
[49:12] right
does anybody else have any other
[49:15] questions
i just i just agree that i mean we've
[49:19] talked about it when he's right about
getting a committee
[49:26] right as long as we'll continue to work
on it and moving forward with it i'm
[49:29] good
okay okay can we
[49:32] make uh
some motion to actually have that happen
[49:36] or something i don't know what we have
to do we already have yeah
[49:50] thank you if there's not any more
questions i will entertain a motion
[49:56] mayor i make a motion we
are moved excuse me
[50:00] i moved we approved the quarterly
investment report period in december
[50:04] 31st 2021.
[50:08] we have a motion on the table by council
member martin and seconded by
[50:12] councilmember apodaca to accept the
quarterly investment report period
[50:16] ending december 31st 2021 city secretary
police call roll
[50:21] council member martin yes
mayor pro tem grant yes
[50:27] council member apodaca
council member greiter yes
[50:33] council member street no
[50:36] mayor aldrich yes
the quarter the quarterly investment
[50:41] report period ending december 31st 2021
has passed
[50:47] moving on to 9a discussion and possible
action on the city of kirby
[50:53] fiscal year 2021 2022 annual report
armstrong vaughn and associates
[51:02] welcome sir
[51:07] hello i'm mike peralta with armstrong
vaughn and associates and we conducted
[51:11] your audit for the 2021 fiscal year
um you should have an audit report um up
[51:17] in front of you
i'm just going to go over a few
[51:20] highlights of the audit not try to take
up too much time
[51:28] so basically what's in a annual
financial report there's the
[51:32] introduction
the independent audit report the
[51:35] management discussion and analysis
[51:40] the fund financial statements
[51:44] and those just provide a greater detail
for what's contained in
[51:48] themselves
required supplementary information
[51:53] supplemental individual financial
statements and those just provide
[51:57] comparative
financial statements for the individual
[52:00] funds
statistical section and this provides
[52:05] different types of statistical data for
informational purposes and then finally
[52:10] you'll have the compliance section and
that's your single audit
[52:17] all right for your independent audit
auditor's report it's on page one
[52:23] the operators that we follow
generally accepted auditing standards
[52:28] and government government auditing
standards for the single audit portion
[52:33] the purpose is to form an independent
opinion on whether the financial
[52:36] statements are
presented in accordance with generally
[52:40] accepted accounting principles
[52:47] uh this year the opinion that we had
overall was an adverse opinion
[52:51] um and that's basically saying that we
didn't have
[52:54] everything for the scope and that's just
because we didn't have the kirby senior
[52:58] center included in your financial
statements
[53:01] as far as the city we did give you an
unmodified opinion and that's the best
[53:05] opinion that you can get
basically saying that the financial
[53:08] statements are materially correct as
they're stated
[53:12] as far as the schedule of expenditures
for federal awards we also gave you an
[53:16] unmodified opinion stating that you are
in compliance with the requirements
[53:21] that the government requires for
using federal funds
[53:28] um in the md a section there's a few uh
parts of that there's financial
[53:33] highlights overview financial statements
uh a touch on government-wide financial
[53:38] analysis uh financial analysis of the
city's funds
[53:42] budgetary highlights capital assets and
debt and then requests for information
[53:48] uh so just
one portion that i was going to go over
[53:52] in the mdna on page seven and eight
or the government-wide financial
[53:58] statements for governmental activities
the assets of the city exceeded its
[54:02] liabilities by 11.5 million
at september 30th 2021
[54:09] and then your net position actually
increased by 1.5 million from the prior
[54:13] year primarily due to revenues and
expenses remaining similar to the prior
[54:17] year which had the similar outcome in
the previous year
[54:21] for business type activities which is
your water and sewer fund
[54:25] your assets
exceeded its liabilities by 6 million at
[54:29] september 30th 2021
and the unrestricted net position
[54:33] decreased by 29 000
to 2.4 million at september 30th 2021.
[54:43] and then on page 14
[54:47] um the highlight here is on your
government-wide financial statements
[54:51] is your your net position
your net position for governmental
[54:56] activities was 11.5 million of that 1.7
was unrestricted
[55:02] for business type activities your
net position was 6 million and the
[55:07] unrestricted portion was 2.3 million
the total being 17.5 net position with
[55:14] 4.1 being unrestricted
[55:22] all right then your fun statements on
page 17
[55:26] the general fund balance at herein
of
[55:29] 2021 was 2.7 million and the combined
fund balance of all funds was 9.4
[55:35] million
your unassigned fund balance for the
[55:38] general fund was 2.4 million or
approximately
[55:42] 6.8 months of the average operating
expenditures
[55:46] the government finance officers
association recommends that there be at
[55:51] least three months to cover three so how
many months do we have now you're six
[55:55] point eight
six months yes six point eight
[55:59] thank you um and then
85 000
[56:05] and the combined fund balance decreased
by
[56:08] 728 000
mainly due to
[56:12] that should say increase
mainly due to the decreased capital
[56:16] outlay in the general fund
in the current year
[56:24] for your
page 17 your major fund general fund
[56:30] balance
the fund balance there was 2.7 million
[56:34] again of that the unassigned was 2.4
million
[56:38] your debt service fund balance was 189
uh capital projects fund that fund
[56:46] balance was 6.4 million
crime control was 109 000 and again your
[56:51] total was 9.4 million
[56:59] for your business type activities your
waterworks your fund net position
[57:03] decreased by thirty four thousand um
this includes the expenses include
[57:08] transfers to the funds and the amount of
six hundred thousand dollars and that
[57:12] was the transfer in lieu of taxes to the
general fund
[57:18] right for the required supplement
supplementary information um i wanted to
[57:22] touch on the general fund budget and
actual analysis
[57:27] so the main keys here i was going to go
over revenue expenses and then the the
[57:31] net increase decreased
so your actual revenue was 5.4 million
[57:36] and y'all budgeted 5.3 so y'all actually
[57:41] did better than you expected by thirty
eight thousand dollars in for the year
[57:52] as far as total expenses y'all had
actual total expenses of 5.2 million
[57:58] um and you budgeted 5.5 so you actually
spent
[58:03] about
292 000 less than you were expected to
[58:07] spend
[58:11] um so this brings your net change in
fund balance
[58:16] you had an actual of 584 000
and y'all were expecting to generate 421
[58:23] so y'all actually generated 163 000
more than you are expecting to this year
[58:32] all right and the last section that i
wanted to touch on was the compliance
[58:35] section of page 104 this is your single
audit
[58:39] a single audit gets put in place to
determine if an entity is in compliance
[58:43] with specified requirements when
expending federal funds and to determine
[58:47] if there are deficiencies in internal
controls
[58:51] during our procedures in the current
year the single audit resulted in an
[58:55] unmodified opinion in relation to the
financial statements
[58:59] basically saying that city was in
compliance with the specified
[59:02] requirements and there were no
deficiencies noted in internal controls
[59:10] and that was all i was going to go over
do you guys have any questions okay are
[59:14] there any questions
councilmember street
[59:18] i understand that we we don't get to
approve your audit we can accept it
[59:25] but since we got this this afternoon
i don't think we should do either today
[59:31] because i haven't had a chance to look
at you
[59:35] there's over 100 pages of information
and the brief synopsis was nice and i'd
[59:41] like to have your highlights so i can
come you know
[59:44] look at them but
and if you do have questions after you
[59:48] review um you can get with monique and
tina and they can forward it to me and i
[59:51] can enjoy that would be great thank you
okay are there any more discussion
[59:57] questions
i will entertain a motion
[1:00:01] vera make emotionally accept the audit
second
[1:00:05] i have a motion on the table but i
haven't even looked at it
[1:00:09] we're just accepting it we're not voting
on reproving it uh i need order
[1:00:16] please reserve your comments
we have a motion on the table by mayor
[1:00:20] pro 10 grant
and seconded by council member apodaca
[1:00:24] to accept
the audit audit i got it i'm sorry
[1:00:32] the audit
for the city of kirby fiscal year 2021
[1:00:37] 2020 to 2021 audit report armstrong
vaughn and associates city secretary
[1:00:42] please call roll
mayor pro tem grant yes
[1:00:47] council member apodaca yes
council member greider yes
[1:00:53] councilmember street no
council member martin yes
[1:00:59] mayor aldrich
yes
[1:01:02] the audit report for fiscal year 2020
through 2021 audit report from armstrong
[1:01:07] vaughan and associates has passed
thank you sir thank y'all
[1:01:15] b
discussion and possible action on
[1:01:18] ordinance number o 2022-909
[1:01:22] amending zoning ordinance of the city of
kirby texas to grant specific use permit
[1:01:27] number 2022
o28 for use of the property located at
[1:01:33] cb5941a
[1:01:37] block 2 lot 6 otherwise known as 130
edlin street kirby texas 78219
[1:01:45] which is zoned commercial office in
retail c2
[1:01:49] district to be used as a single family
dwelling this is the second reading
[1:01:53] i will entertain a motion
[1:01:58] mayor i moved we accept ordinance number
0-2022-909
[1:02:05] amending the zoning ordinance of the
city of kirby to grant pacific use
[1:02:09] permanent number
2022-028
[1:02:15] for the use of the property located at
[1:02:19] one cb959418 block two lot six
otherwise known as one thirty ellen
[1:02:23] street kirby texas
uh 78219
[1:02:28] which was owned commercial office in
retinal
[1:02:31] rental c2 district to be used as a
single dwelling family
[1:02:34] this is the second reading
[1:02:37] okay
we have a motion on the table by council
[1:02:41] member martin seconded by council member
greider to accept the action
[1:02:46] uh amending zoning ordinance of the city
of kirby texas to grant specific use
[1:02:52] permit oh 2022 020 through 22028
for for the property located at cb
[1:03:00] 5941a block 2 lot 6 otherwise known as
130 edlin street kirby texas city
[1:03:08] secretary please call roll
council member martin yes
[1:03:13] mayor pro tem grant
[1:03:17] yes
[1:03:20] council member apodaca yes
council member greiter yes
[1:03:26] council member street yes
mayor aldridge no
[1:03:33] the zoning ordinance for
[1:03:37] hermit o 2022-028
[1:03:41] for the property
otherwise known as 130 edlin street
[1:03:45] kirby texas has passed
[1:03:49] 9c discussion and possible action on
ordinance number o 2022-910
[1:03:56] amending zoning ordinance of the city of
kirby texas to grant specific use permit
[1:04:01] number 2022-029
for the property located at cb 5941
[1:04:10] block one lot e
45 feet of
[1:04:14] south half of five
otherwise known as 433
[1:04:20] edlin kirby texas 78219 which is zoned
commercial office and retail c2 district
[1:04:27] to be used as a single family dwelling
this is the second reading i will
[1:04:31] entertain a motion
[1:04:36] mayor i moved we approve ordinance
number zero two
[1:04:42] zero two two dash nine one zero many the
zoning ordinance and city of kirby to
[1:04:48] grant pacific use permanent number
twenty
[1:04:51] two zero two two 22029 for the purpose
located at
[1:04:56] cb5941 block one
lot
[1:05:00] e
45 foot or south half of five otherwise
[1:05:05] known as 433 inland
kirby texas
[1:05:08] which is own commercial office and
retail c2 district tv is a single
[1:05:12] dwelling family this is a second reading
[1:05:17] second
we have a motion on the table by council
[1:05:20] member martin and seconded by
councilmember apodaca to accept the perm
[1:05:26] the special use permit number 2022-029
[1:05:31] for the property located at cb 5941
block one lot e 45 feet of south half of
[1:05:40] five otherwise known as
433 edlin kirby texas 78219 city
[1:05:46] secretary please call roll
[1:05:59] yes
yes
[1:06:02] council member apodaca yes
councilmember greiter yes
[1:06:09] councilmember street yes
mayor aldrich
[1:06:13] nope
this
[1:06:15] specific permit
number oh
[1:06:19] 2022-029 for the property located at cb
5941 block one lot e 45 feet of south
[1:06:27] half of five otherwise known as 433
edlund kirby texas 78219 has passed
[1:06:35] moving on to 9 d
discussion and possible action on
[1:06:40] ordinance number o
[1:06:45] repealing 2022-911
30.01
[1:06:49] through
30.10
[1:06:51] of the code of ordinance of the city of
kirby relating
[1:06:55] to the city council and its rules and
procedures and rules for citizens
[1:06:59] participation at meetings and adopting
new sections 30.01-30.10
[1:07:07] of the code of ordinance of the city of
kirby relating to these rules and
[1:07:13] procedures for the city council and
rules for the citizen participation at
[1:07:18] city council meetings and establish an
effective date this is the first reading
[1:07:26] discussion council member street
i have several questions about the
[1:07:32] write-up that we got
um
[1:07:37] should i just go through them and see if
i can get an answer on that on each one
[1:07:41] okay thank you
okay on
[1:07:45] 3.30.04
[1:07:48] where it says that we get
the uh
[1:07:54] we're if a council member has a question
regarding an agenda item the council
[1:07:57] member should contact the city manager
no later than two days prior to the
[1:08:00] schedule of the meeting of for
clarification
[1:08:03] that gives us
24 hours since we get it on monday night
[1:08:08] so
if i have a question i have to email you
[1:08:11] by tuesday afternoon
[1:08:17] [Music]
[1:08:24] i have to have time to read 100 pages
because sometimes that's how many there
[1:08:27] are
um
[1:08:42] [Music]
okay well i'm not sure why it's included
[1:08:45] there but okay
[1:08:49] okay
um
[1:08:52] on three
0.07
[1:08:58] um this is for decorum and debate
this has not really changed i'm just
[1:09:04] hoping that everybody read through it
on
[1:09:10] 30.10
citizen participation citizen
[1:09:14] participation at meetings
on b
[1:09:18] it says
that we have changed the time limit to
[1:09:23] five minutes yay
but it also says all persons are only
[1:09:28] allowed to speak once
and they're timeline
[1:09:32] usual to accumulate their speaking time
now does that mean once in the entire
[1:09:38] meeting or does that mean just once
during the citizen participation
[1:09:44] okay that's why i'm asking it says
doesn't specify that
[1:09:50] so i'm trying to clarify so we know
they can speak during citizen
[1:09:53] participation and then they can also
sign up to speak on an agenda item it
[1:09:57] should be either or
okay
[1:10:00] can we have it worded that way
so that it's clear
[1:10:06] because it makes it sound like they
can't speak any other time right okay
[1:10:14] yes
[1:10:19] okay
council member street i'm sorry okay
[1:10:23] um on d
of that same section
[1:10:27] uh speaking from the podium the speaker
may shall remain at the podium until all
[1:10:31] council questions have been answered and
the mayor has dismissed the speaker
[1:10:36] so we can actually speak to them when
they're
[1:10:39] speaking during citizen participation
but that's what this says
[1:10:52] sure
[1:10:56] okay because i was like yay
we talked to them okay
[1:11:01] um
h
[1:11:03] citizens um
citizen participation
[1:11:08] says that all citizen comments will be
heard during the citizens participation
[1:11:11] portion of the meeting
and shall be limited to five minutes per
[1:11:15] speaker
that's all that's an all-inclusive word
[1:11:21] it doesn't say that they can speak
during the agenda items which is why i
[1:11:25] gave you a copy of the texas open
meetings act part where it says they can
[1:11:29] speak during the agenda
item as well
[1:11:32] with our state attorney that that
section does clearly say
[1:11:38] public who um the body regarding an
agenda item to address the body
[1:11:42] regarding the item at the meeting
before
[1:11:46] or
during the consideration so it's
[1:11:49] optional okay that was something we had
talked about before and that
[1:11:59] but this doesn't say that
it says all citizen comments will be
[1:12:04] heard during the citizens
portion of the meeting
[1:12:08] so we need to adjust that
[1:12:14] i gotcha
[1:12:18] so that was thrown out there
[1:12:23] so what was the consensus that we only
speak during citizen participation yes
[1:12:28] but the state's law says that doesn't
have to either right
[1:12:33] well okay
[Music]
[1:12:46] so
should we
[1:12:50] talk about having
somewhat we want to change that's what
[1:12:53] we changed it to
well
[1:12:56] i think that
we probably need to have a discussion on
[1:13:00] um
i mean well i think that if somebody
[1:13:04] signs up to speak
they either
[1:13:07] speak at the front at the first or they
speak at the agenda that's fine it's
[1:13:11] either or
but not both right okay but that's not
[1:13:14] what this says i know but we can get we
can change the wording so i i i think
[1:13:19] that that would be good to change the
wording yes so do we have a consensus
[1:13:24] what does everyone think
as long as they've been like they've
[1:13:29] been doing it they've been signing up
for each agenda item
[1:13:32] you know
that's good and if they raise their hand
[1:13:36] about a question and you give them
permission or we vote on it or whatever
[1:13:40] i'm good with it it doesn't matter to me
how you write it or whatever
[1:13:44] you know i just want to make sure she
has control she has control of the
[1:13:47] meeting yes and
that's where we're going to go i just
[1:13:51] want to make sure it's not in concrete
that they can't do it a certain
[1:13:57] [Music]
during way citizen's participation
[1:14:01] portion of the meeting and you have five
minutes
[1:14:04] right you wanted to read differently you
have to change that
[1:14:07] let's get it to redifference
[1:14:11] we're here for the citizens to hear what
their concerns
[1:14:15] that's that's what i'm saying
i don't have an issue with the with the
[1:14:19] citizen waiting until that agenda item
to speak on it sure
[1:14:25] but not both correct that's fine
that's why it's either or okay so from
[1:14:31] what i'm hearing from all of us
we have a consensus that we all agree to
[1:14:36] the same thing
it's the either citizen's participation
[1:14:40] section or the agenda yes ma'am so we
can put that in there so that it's not
[1:14:45] like this where it's only citizen
participation right okay but the citizen
[1:14:50] can sign up during citizen participation
and they could talk about something
[1:14:54] totally different and then sign up for
an agenda item right and discuss that
[1:14:58] then at that time
no wait like they have two separate
[1:15:02] subjects they need to discuss like they
come to participation
[1:15:05] they say what they have to sign up two
times okay got it yes okay
[1:15:11] i just want to make sure as long as
we're not limiting them on what they so
[1:15:14] they can each agenda item if they need
to speak on it they can right is that
[1:15:18] what we're
saying allows someone to sign up
[1:15:36] we've been
[1:16:04] option right but what this language
right here is proposing is that the
[1:16:09] citizen would only have the option
to speak absolute participation if you
[1:16:15] want us to leave it the way we currently
do it we will put that language back
[1:16:19] we didn't touch this part because
we've had this on three agendas nobody
[1:16:23] asked us to change that part but we can
change that today if that's what you're
[1:16:27] asking believe it the way we currently
do it which is give them the option
[1:16:32] leave it leave it the way we currently
do it
[1:16:35] right they need an option to speak
during the agenda item as well yes
[1:16:39] i agree with that
[1:16:42] thank you and the last thing
is on k
[1:16:47] for the camera recordings
um where it's it says uh
[1:16:54] persons recording meetings shall do the
recording from the first row on the
[1:16:57] right side of the audience area of the
city council chambers being the area
[1:17:01] behind the railings separating the
audience area from the area where
[1:17:03] members of city council or commissioners
seated
[1:17:06] fine but i think we need to stipulate
that that's not regarding someone with a
[1:17:10] cell phone that's sitting in their chair
right that's just for equipment like a
[1:17:13] tripod you are correct okay
[1:17:20] if if we're having a pinning and we've
got 15 people with their cell phones out
[1:17:24] they can sit over there they all got to
sit over here and then they're going to
[1:17:27] be behind everybody
so that would preclude them being able
[1:17:31] to do that okay is everybody up here in
agreement with that
[1:17:38] so we make it apply to like equipment
[1:17:42] okay okay monique let's make that change
thank you that's all i have
[1:17:49] all right
[1:17:53] thank you are there any other issues
[1:18:05] yes sir mr miller
[Music]
[1:18:11] you go right ahead sir
[1:18:16] jack miller 4839 dick gordon uh here in
kirby
[1:18:21] um so on the uh
thank you guys for
[1:18:25] on the agenda item for the uh winda talk
it appears to me my position is that you
[1:18:31] guys are working very hard
and what i just heard i had some
[1:18:35] very very bad concerns reading the
ordinance but uh listening to you folks
[1:18:40] i believe that you guys are on the right
path so i have nothing to say about that
[1:18:45] thank you for
all of your back and forth about that
[1:18:48] and
uh but as far as the equipment goes so
[1:18:51] this is my position and uh so
while i believe that uh
[1:18:57] it's reasonable to tell me that my
tripod bags and things like that need to
[1:19:03] be somewhere
while i think that's in a reasonable
[1:19:06] restriction for me
what i don't
[1:19:10] agree with and what i would have a
serious problem with is that
[1:19:14] if i decide to take my camera for
instance off of that tripod and
[1:19:19] reposition myself somewhere in the room
where it's not interfering with anybody
[1:19:24] let's say i want to go back and i want
to stand in that corner because the
[1:19:27] chief is having a conversation with
someone and i want to catch that
[1:19:31] it's my position that under turner
versus driver which is a fifth circuit
[1:19:34] ruling that my group took to the fifth
circuit and won
[1:19:39] it established my right to film a
government official in the performance
[1:19:44] of their duties and to interfere with
that would be a violation of that
[1:19:47] granted right by the fifth circuit so if
i were to remove my camera from there
[1:19:52] and walk to the back to catch that
conversation that's exactly what i would
[1:19:56] be doing i would be filming a public
official
[1:19:58] or if you're having a conversation
somewhere in here while the meeting is
[1:20:01] going on
and so my position at that point would
[1:20:04] be if you were to say hey i can't do
that
[1:20:06] my position would be that you would be
interfering with my rights as
[1:20:09] established underturner versus driver
that would be my only issue and i just
[1:20:12] wanted to bring that to your attention
for consideration before you make that
[1:20:17] final as far as restricting where a
person can take a cell phone or
[1:20:21] you know
like i said tripods camera bags they can
[1:20:25] be interfering with a lot of people
especially if i have them right here in
[1:20:28] the middle where everybody's walking
it's reasonable to say you got to take
[1:20:30] them over there but definitely not just
you know moving around i have a gopro
[1:20:35] here it records i can literally walk
around and catch very great video with
[1:20:39] this
and you wouldn't even know
[1:20:42] and i don't think you should be
restricting that as long as i'm not
[1:20:44] standing in front of anybody
uh interfering with their ability to see
[1:20:48] or something like that so thank you
thank you
[1:20:54] moving on to 9e
discussion and possible action to accept
[1:21:00] alexandra ebert's resignation from the
economic development committee
[1:21:05] i will entertain a motion
i move that we accept alexandra ebert's
[1:21:10] resignation from the economic
development committee okay
[1:21:14] we have a motion on the table by council
ministry
[1:21:17] and seconded by council member apodaca
to accept
[1:21:21] the resignation of alexandra ebert the
resignation from the economic
[1:21:25] development committee city secretary
please go rule
[1:21:29] council member street yes
council member martin yes
[1:21:36] mayor pro tem grant yes
council member apodaca yes councilmember
[1:21:42] greiter yes
mayor aldridge yes the resignation for
[1:21:48] alexander ebert
from the economic development
[1:21:52] economic development committee has
passed
[1:21:55] 9 f
[1:21:58] discussion and possible action on
resolution number r 2022-745
[1:22:05] a resolution authorizing the city
manager to submit an application for
[1:22:10] funding for the program year
2022 allocating
[1:22:15] allocation of bexar county's community
development block grant cdbg program
[1:22:23] do we have any discussion from council
[1:22:28] we're
sorry
[1:22:33] go ahead council member street we're
applying for
[1:22:38] how three hundred thousand no so
that's what we need to decide so the
[1:22:43] next streak um on our street assessment
plan that city
[1:22:47] people is
[1:22:53] and um
we have preliminary cost estimates from
[1:22:57] our engineers on both the street top and
the score rehab
[1:23:05] and so we need to determine
which of those projects
[1:23:09] what combination of both we want to
apply for and how much
[1:23:13] the
[1:23:19] to submit applications
[1:23:21] um the total funding that bear county is
considering is 2.3 billion
[1:23:26] so out of 63 billion that's going to be
divided
[1:23:46] that's unrealistic to ask for that
amount knowing that
[1:23:50] a free weight is available
um but we've learned i'm not going to
[1:23:54] support in our current public works
worker has been taking us an additional
[1:23:58] step by having the sewer
televised before we reconstructed the
[1:24:02] streets so it really makes no sense
without the other
[1:24:07] so we need to decide
[Music]
[1:24:16] okay so right now we are only
voting on
[1:24:22] giving the city manager approval to
apply for these grants for the year is
[1:24:25] that correct
yes but we have to specify what we want
[1:24:29] it for
[1:24:33] you
[1:24:37] but we can't do both
you can but
[1:24:41] they're not going to give us all that
money amount of money you got to pick
[1:24:44] one or the other um so one thing we
could do is you could decide that if
[1:24:48] we're funded we fund the sewer in our
water and student budget and then just a
[1:24:54] flood from the street which is a 258
[1:25:11] i would say we applied for the street
i was going to ask we can do arpa money
[1:25:16] next year for this correct for the sewer
yes if there's any left we get another
[1:25:23] million point one right
[1:25:39] okay
okay well i
[1:25:43] i think
that we should
[1:25:46] use arpa for this sewer
and apply for the street
[1:25:52] barring
we get the zipper machine but this this
[1:25:55] will be qualified for
the cdbg we can use that for this street
[1:26:02] and then
maybe when you get the zipper we can do
[1:26:05] the adjacent street to it
does anybody else have any questions or
[1:26:11] discussion
[1:26:14] we just we definitely need to apply for
the grant
[1:26:17] or the streets
for the street yeah go to the street
[1:26:22] because you got a 20 match in there but
it's still better to go ahead
[1:26:26] right exactly and it's a lesser amount
too
[1:26:30] all right i will entertain a motion
i move that we apply
[1:26:37] for the
2022
[1:26:40] fair county cdbg grant program for
fixing the
[1:26:46] foxcross
street portion
[1:26:51] that we were handed
give a second
[1:26:56] second
i have a motion on the table by council
[1:27:00] member street and seconded by
councilmember apodaca to
[1:27:06] allow the city mana authorizing the city
manager to submit an application for
[1:27:11] funding
for the program year 2022 allocate
[1:27:16] allocation of bear county's community
development program cdbg
[1:27:21] for
fox the
[1:27:23] street fox cross city secretary please
call roll
[1:27:28] council member street yes
council member martin yes
[1:27:34] mayor pro tem grant yes
council member apodaca yes
[1:27:40] council member writer yes
mayor aldrich yes resolution r number
[1:27:47] 2022-745
[1:27:50] allowing the city manager to submit an
application for funding for the year
[1:27:54] program 2022 allocating their county
community
[1:27:58] bexar county communities development
block grant cbdg program has passed
[1:28:05] 9g discussion impossible action to
approve
[1:28:09] the cost of additional work on a new
pump for well site number three
[1:28:20] okay
okay
[1:28:23] do we have any uh questions or
discussion on council member street
[1:28:28] okay
there was so much information to look at
[1:28:33] it took me a while
i
[1:28:36] got the original quote from the city
manager this afternoon
[1:28:41] to look at
what we were originally told was going
[1:28:46] to be 129 000.
well they gave us these two
[1:28:54] invoices
that total 186 000
[1:29:00] we started this last spring
it was april 8th i believe that they got
[1:29:05] voted on
they said it would be done around june
[1:29:10] i asked the city manager what year in
june she meant
[1:29:14] they meant because it's been a year next
week
[1:29:18] that we voted on this to get done and
they're still not done
[1:29:23] so
that being said
[1:29:26] they're now
with these increases and in the
[1:29:32] in the paperwork
it said that there would be a
[1:29:37] small percentage
possibly of an increase
[1:29:41] over time
which is fine but
[1:29:46] on
item 11 from the original it's up 12
[1:29:50] percent
on the the three seven invoice that we
[1:29:54] got
it's up to twenty three thousand instead
[1:29:57] of it was twenty point twenty thousand
five hundred there
[1:30:02] um
the the issue that they were talking
[1:30:05] about that would cost more was the
charging of
[1:30:08] the hourly rate
well the hourly rate didn't change
[1:30:14] what did change
was them charging us ninety thousand
[1:30:18] dollars
instead of sixty three thousand dollars
[1:30:23] for
the casing
[1:30:26] that's a forty four percent increase
[1:30:32] proposal that they have listed that's 20
[1:30:36] so i'm wondering
[1:30:40] ability if we let them charge us that
much more money for something they can't
[1:30:45] justify
or at least they're not justifying it
[1:30:48] yet
i guess we need to bring it up to them i
[1:30:50] don't know
[1:30:53] why there's a big change in that one
item
[1:30:58] do we know
[1:31:04] i'm talking about
it is
[1:31:09] where is it
there's so many pages here
[1:31:13] this additional
original quote no that's not it
[1:31:17] it's i it was originally item five
on the quote and it is on the second
[1:31:23] page with that's 97 350. it's the 1228
invoice
[1:31:29] for ninety thousand seven hundred and
fifty dollars it is exactly word for
[1:31:33] word the same thing that was number five
on the original invoice or the original
[1:31:37] quote
[1:31:39] but it's sixty three thousand dollars on
there so i don't know what's more
[1:31:43] expensive
[1:31:48] i don't know
it's not specified in here why it's more
[1:31:52] expensive
[1:31:56] so it'd be nice if they could maybe
explain
[1:32:01] yes sorry
[1:32:05] see
[1:32:09] is there any way we can go back to them
and ask them that
[1:32:14] councilmember martin i think it's i
think it's right here the original quote
[1:32:19] was 63 000
and the additional add-ons that they
[1:32:23] want to charge us is 24 402.61
[1:32:28] and
what i see
[1:32:30] here is for labor
more welding another video
[1:32:36] and it's set up it's stuff that they've
already included no that's on the it's
[1:32:40] on the second invoice
i'm looking at this right here the
[1:32:43] add-ons i know and anyway
[1:32:50] i
to me it looks like they're trying to
[1:32:52] cover up poor workmanship by asking for
standby
[1:32:56] people
they want to charge us five thousand
[1:32:58] fifty eight hundred dollars
for people to stand by to clean the kc
[1:33:03] as that's twenty four thousand dollars
added to it
[1:33:07] and i just don't see it i mean
if they ate it
[1:33:12] i don't see approving this this cost now
i understand we need to improve the pump
[1:33:17] but there's too much other stuff going
on in here that
[1:33:20] they're adding to and i think they're
trying to slip by us
[1:33:26] so my question is um so first when i
looked over this
[1:33:29] my first thought was yes
obviously the price has went up we know
[1:33:34] that
but my question is what can we do so
[1:33:37] like let's say for instance since the
work's already started correct
[1:33:40] so
what
[1:33:42] so that's my thing so what is our
options realistically
[1:33:47] yeah i mean at this point um
we're at the point where we need to get
[1:33:52] the pump in that's where we are and it
kind of goes back to speak to a few of
[1:33:56] those items we originally got this quote
um
[1:33:59] late march of 2021 when we were working
on budget that was what it was
[1:34:03] originally brought in that's when they
came in they presented to council and
[1:34:06] shared estimated um costs that was where
we were 129 000. they told us at that
[1:34:12] time a pump is going to run you about 50
000 that's not in this quote but we have
[1:34:18] a
pump until the realignment and the
[1:34:22] casing is done then you know what size
it could be smaller
[1:34:26] it could be larger than you order your
pump
[1:34:29] so at that time when we're working on
budget we approved we rounded it up to
[1:34:33] 130 000 for the last fiscal year so they
can get started on the project
[1:34:38] our polaris director's goal was to get
it finished by the industry that's where
[1:34:42] the gym came from they said that was
kind of aggressive considering you have
[1:34:45] to order parts and materials that you
don't know how long it will take
[1:34:50] that time we were under the impression
that we approve it
[1:34:55] and the city could do all the paperwork
we then learned it required a tceq
[1:35:00] permit and a paa from it and you had to
have registered professional engineering
[1:35:05] plans in order to submit those
apartments
[1:35:09] so we did not have enough money to start
the project last year so we didn't even
[1:35:13] start
we came back during a new fiscal year
[1:35:16] budget that you all approved for october
1 and we requested 200 000 in the budget
[1:35:22] that 200 000 included engineering fees
and permitting fees so we could get all
[1:35:28] the paperwork submitted
just to get the project started so the
[1:35:32] project technically didn't start prior
to
[1:35:35] around january this year
[1:35:40] so that's where that lagging time came
from
[1:35:43] when they got into the casing and they
they didn't come back and say there was
[1:35:47] an issue with the cementing and so forth
it was going to cost some additional
[1:35:50] money um to get more materials to try to
fill that in the city assumes the
[1:35:56] responsibility for that any additional
costs because
[1:36:00] they said they can't guarantee what's
going to happen once they get in there
[1:36:04] um so they did notify me of that and
i authorize them to continue to work
[1:36:09] because at that point
it's open run in the city of one well
[1:36:14] tower the smaller one
drinking water is you know our
[1:36:18] priorities so
they did go ahead and finish that work
[1:36:21] that work is done and those two invoices
have been paid
[1:36:24] but i paid them within the 200 000
budget so i um at this point
[1:36:30] we need to order the pump
and they've already informed us that
[1:36:34] you're looking at
8 to ten weeks to get a pump which
[1:36:40] expedite the process so this cost
estimate that you have at forty nine
[1:36:44] thousand i believe includes expediting
it
[1:36:48] um so that we could try to get physical
i understand that
[1:36:53] but the only two things that are
different from the original
[1:36:57] proposal that they gave us back in april
and
[1:37:02] these invoices
are that
[1:37:07] uh number 10 the sub contracting
for
[1:37:12] which is a difference of
3 000 or yeah 3 000 is 12 increase and
[1:37:17] then this 90 000 that's different from
the 63 000. those are the only two
[1:37:21] things that are not identical
prices didn't go up on anything else
[1:37:27] okay
so
[1:37:30] everything else is the same and that
includes labor hours and things
[1:37:34] so
what was so different about this piece
[1:37:37] that is not
the additional four things
[1:37:41] five things that they have the
additional items outside of the original
[1:37:44] quote that are listed that are twenty
four thousand dollars that's not
[1:37:47] included in that ninety this is yeah
extra stuff i think it is
[1:37:52] it's attitude this one's from december
this one's from mars if you add it
[1:37:56] together from what it was here
and the two
[1:37:59] comes up the exact number they got here
exactly
[1:38:04] okay
okay i will entertain emotion i'm
[1:38:08] wondering i'm sorry just one more
comment please i'm wondering how they
[1:38:13] knew
this amount that's listed on the march
[1:38:19] invoice when this one is december 31st
or december 28th
[1:38:25] it's not on the same invoice
it's not
[1:38:29] no i'm talking about the actual invoices
that additional 24 000 that's additional
[1:38:34] items outside of the original quote that
you authorized
[1:38:38] that's on the 3722
invoice
[1:38:43] okay
that can't be part of the 90 000 that's
[1:38:48] on the december 28th invoice
these are different they're separate
[1:38:53] it's a whole different list of things
they did it doesn't have anything to do
[1:38:57] with 100 1008 feet of
casing
[1:39:02] which is what this is
[1:39:10] we just it does it says parts but
[1:39:17] which was originally 63 000.
so that's just that was just
[1:39:21] what it ended
[1:39:25] get the parts up they hadn't had any
labor at that point
[1:39:31] and then on this one it shows you some
additional parts
[1:39:35] those are all listed those are
individual part i lit i checked it
[1:39:39] against the original
document
[1:39:43] the original proposal i checked them off
[1:39:49] i'm talking about the proposal versus
the invoices i checked each number off
[1:40:01] why are we paying 90 000 instead of 60
that's the question
[1:40:09] again
you have two different words there
[1:40:12] proposal and quote
and the last discussion we had when we
[1:40:16] added more money because of the fact we
knew we were coming into this year
[1:40:21] when you take a quote there's also
the fact is that we
[1:40:26] discuss the fact that they told us
they're looking down first with a camera
[1:40:31] and until they get on the actual
[1:40:36] we give them the latitude
to go ahead and fix and get it up and
[1:40:41] running
because we're running on one well so if
[1:40:44] you can't understand it's just like
tearing a car motor apart you may have a
[1:40:48] knock in it but until you open it up you
can give an estimate 500 and you open up
[1:40:52] and you find out you need a whole bunch
of new parts that goes to 2000 that's
[1:40:57] the latitude you work with
and that's exactly what we're talking
[1:41:01] about here
there is no engineer that i know of
[1:41:04] there's no one in this business that i
don't know of that when you go to
[1:41:09] re-pipe or re-uh align a well that you
are trying to make a swag until you get
[1:41:14] into it and into the process
and if you think this is going to be
[1:41:18] expensive now we're going to have to
make the pump and if we need to expedite
[1:41:22] it and this top pump is going to have to
be custom made
[1:41:26] as to the specifications that are now in
there with the liner in place
[1:41:30] and that's going to probably go above
the quote a quote is a guess
[1:41:35] and a proposal is a guess and we give
them the latitude to work past that
[1:41:40] and that's exactly what she did now we
can sit here and argue about it all day
[1:41:44] and we could say okay let's stop work
right now until we get an answer to this
[1:41:49] question and if the other will goes down
we're pretty much shafted so to speak
[1:41:53] pun intended
i will entertain a motion i got one more
[1:41:58] question i have i have something else
okay council member martin
[1:42:02] monique
[1:42:05] how much more more money are we looking
at to finish this project
[1:42:10] the 49 000 is less than that
i understand it's 49 for the pump we
[1:42:16] would calculated 200 000.
[1:42:27] i understand about tearing down an
engine and finding things that aren't
[1:42:30] necessarily what you expect to be wrong
i understand that
[1:42:35] this is parts
[1:42:39] this is two different parts listed
together okay
[1:42:44] there's a 30 or 27 thousand dollar
difference
[1:42:50] i don't understand but
i'm not saying stop work okay i'm just
[1:42:54] getting it i want an explanation okay i
understand that
[1:42:58] that's all but this agenda item is to
approve the additional
[1:43:02] work
for
[1:43:04] the new pump
the
[1:43:07] back and forth
with the amount on these invoices
[1:43:12] this can be solved
later
[1:43:15] you can you can get those info the the
the
[1:43:19] information
from monique you can email her just like
[1:43:23] you did at 3am this morning
um councilmember greiter did you have a
[1:43:28] question oh well it wasn't a question it
was a comment i would just basically say
[1:43:32] that
i get your questions
[1:43:36] all we can do is i mean she doesn't have
the answers right now so she has to ask
[1:43:39] them
so and no matter what like i asked
[1:43:42] earlier what is our options because
realistically no matter what we have to
[1:43:45] get this done it doesn't even i mean
unless we're gonna say stop and we're
[1:43:48] not gonna do that because if something
goes down i mean then what are we going
[1:43:52] to do you need water i mean that you
have to have water no matter what so i
[1:43:56] get your concern she's going to ask the
questions but we just need to basically
[1:44:00] what make a motion or what are we going
to yes i am entertaining a motion
[1:44:04] to approve the additional work and the
new pump at well site number three i
[1:44:09] make a motion we approve the new work in
parts of bill site number three second
[1:44:15] we have a
table by mayor pro tim grant and
[1:44:19] seconded by councilmember apodaca to
approve the additional call to audition
[1:44:23] the
to approve the additional cost and
[1:44:27] additional work
and a new pump at well site number three
[1:44:31] city secretary police call roll mayor
pro tem grant yes ma'am
[1:44:36] council member apodaca yes
council member writer yes
[1:44:42] council member street
yes
[1:44:45] council member martin yes
mayor aldridge yes
[1:44:51] the additional
the the cost of the additional work and
[1:44:55] the new pump for well site number three
has passed
[1:44:59] 9h council liaison first up is animal
advisory committee mayor pro tim grant
[1:45:07] well
i gotta tell you we're full we got a
[1:45:10] whole bunch of animals
uh
[1:45:13] running truly right now chemicals and
stuff he's up to date on
[1:45:17] uh
we're coming into warm weather thank
[1:45:20] goodness
but uh
[1:45:22] the last thing that you know i
have been remorse because both my cars
[1:45:26] are in the shop but the only thing they
need right now is paper goods paper
[1:45:30] towels things of that nature
other than that the mike's doing a fine
[1:45:34] job he
we still need to be
[1:45:37] two more employees
uh
[1:45:41] i don't know exactly where we stand on
it do we have any applications for any
[1:45:44] of the positions there i didn't think so
[1:45:50] anyway i'll make a comment on that in
comments but that's that's where we are
[1:45:54] right now
[1:45:59] okay
uh next is beautification and recycling
[1:46:02] committee councilmember greiter
um yes the beautification recycle
[1:46:08] committee we have a fiesta decorating
contest
[1:46:11] um deadline to
[1:46:15] deadline to submit march 28th at 5 pm
the application you can come get it at
[1:46:20] city hall or you can print it off
um via
[1:46:25] uh the social media on the city of
kirby's uh facebook page
[1:46:29] um you can either like i said you can
either drop it off or you also can email
[1:46:33] um our city secretary again deadline to
submit is march 28th at 5 00 pm judging
[1:46:38] will be on april 1st we have um
prizes um to give away so hopefully you
[1:46:45] uh participate
and coming up on may 14th
[1:46:50] we're going to beautification recycle
committee is going to um combine a 50 50
[1:46:57] rummage sale at the vfw
here in kirby so proceeds are going to
[1:47:02] go half to beautification recycle
committee and half the proceeds will go
[1:47:06] to the vfw here um
uh
[1:47:10] the 10 by 10 slots are 25
um
[1:47:15] about mid sometime mid next week
let me give it an official date i guess
[1:47:21] so by next wednesday um i'll have the
information where you can go up to the
[1:47:25] vfw and pick your slot
out if you want to pre-pay if you don't
[1:47:29] prepay you're just going to get what's
left on the day of the sale so hopefully
[1:47:33] everybody participates comes out and i
encourage all um
[1:47:37] actually the beautification and recycle
committee encourages all um other boards
[1:47:40] and commissions to come out too to
participate they were saying like for
[1:47:43] instance crime control if you want to
set up a booth you could there also just
[1:47:47] so when the current the citizens come
out they can meet everybody and that's
[1:47:52] on there
uh may 14th
[1:47:58] uh next up is building and standards
commission councilmember martin
[1:48:02] mayor i have nothing to report
we haven't had a meeting in probably
[1:48:05] four or five months and i don't think we
have one coming up doing money
[1:48:10] that's it that's all i got thank you sir
next is crime control and prevention
[1:48:14] district council member salazar not here
next in line is economic development
[1:48:20] committees council member apodaca
we have not met so nothing to report
[1:48:25] okay
next in line is planning and zoning
[1:48:28] commission that is myself we have not
had a meeting and number seven senior
[1:48:33] center corporation board council member
street
[1:48:36] okay
they had a board meeting on march 14th
[1:48:40] uh sid sanders senior has resigned as
the board president
[1:48:45] they are also planning on having their
30th anniversary
[1:48:48] celebration in april of 2023
the date set right now is for april 22nd
[1:48:57] the center will be having an indoor
easter egg hunt for our seniors on
[1:49:01] wednesday april 13th
and if you have any questions please
[1:49:05] contact the director at the senior
center thank you okay
[1:49:09] all right
moving on to 10a announcements on city
[1:49:13] events and items of community interest
from our city manager
[1:49:24] a forum will be going out
[1:49:40] the engine's impact
the list will remain confidential and
[1:49:44] it's only used in the event of a
city-wide emergency so the purpose of
[1:49:48] that is like when we have the freeze or
we have a power outage you know you have
[1:49:52] oxygen that needs to run or have some
other
[1:50:01] secondly city hall is going to close at
3 p.m on friday april 1st we do our
[1:50:07] annual department cleaning and shredding
of
[1:50:10] city documents for our
retention date so
[1:50:15] that is the friday of the week
so everybody to know in advance
[1:50:21] you need to pay your water bill because
you've been turned off you will really
[1:50:24] have a cell phone that day in person but
you will still have the online and the
[1:50:28] options
and lastly we are still asking for
[1:50:32] volunteers to meet us here at city hall
on wednesday after six
[1:50:39] easter eggs
candy donations are also made accepted
[1:50:42] here at city hall
easter egg lunch is going to take place
[1:50:46] on sunday april 10th in friendship park
from 2 to 4 p.m
[1:50:50] we will proceed because we did get um
the prime control board volunteered to
[1:50:55] help us find eggs that day and then i
had about four emails from residents who
[1:50:59] were ready to help so we appreciate
[1:51:04] that moving on to 11a
requests by mayor and council members
[1:51:10] for items to be placed on future city
agendas and announcements on city events
[1:51:15] and community interests council member
street
[1:51:19] i just wanted to say that
for those of you who don't understand
[1:51:24] why i ask so many questions is because
when i was sitting out there
[1:51:28] i always had questions
and it was hard for me to get answers so
[1:51:32] now when i'm up here and i go through
these documents
[1:51:37] everything doesn't make sense to me so i
ask the questions and then sometimes i
[1:51:41] repeat those questions so you know
the answers to them too just in case
[1:51:46] you're also wondering it's not because i
don't know everything or because i i
[1:51:53] i was accused of you know not asking the
questions beforehand and getting the
[1:51:57] answers and just moving on well i think
you sometimes want to know
[1:52:01] so that's the point of why i ask
questions up here
[1:52:05] if sometimes i don't already know
because sometimes we don't get the
[1:52:09] information fast enough and it's just
impossible when you get the information
[1:52:13] from the
city manager on monday to get everything
[1:52:16] done by thursday it's just impossible
sometimes
[1:52:20] anyway thank you to all our city
employees you work very hard and i
[1:52:24] appreciate you and everybody be safe
councilmember greater okay
[1:52:30] um
so thank you to everyone who volunteered
[1:52:33] for the park cleanup um republic
services for providing the dumpster
[1:52:36] thank you to all city staff miss monique
miss tracy ms tina thank you to fire ems
[1:52:40] um thanks chief hilbert thank you very
much for coming out um
[1:52:44] uh public works thank you thank you for
providing tools and resources our
[1:52:49] our kirby crime control um had
representatives for both park cleanup
[1:52:53] day so kudos thank you very much we
appreciate that
[1:52:56] i did notice that um also we had members
from beautification recycle committee
[1:53:00] come out on the 19th so thank you to
them also um the outside clubs and
[1:53:04] organization i want to give thanks to is
black girls do bikes san antonio major
[1:53:08] taylor cycling club san antonio 210
cycle riders and i wish y'all had the
[1:53:13] the military fraternity actually came
out too so appreciate them thank you
[1:53:17] um thanks to the assistant my assistant
angela for keeping me on track as always
[1:53:20] lunch is provided by myself but um
thanks for the added food items like
[1:53:24] bj's famous crackers and england um for
donating cinnamon rolls and banana nut
[1:53:29] bread
from her business it's good though it's
[1:53:33] good dough make sure i say that right
it's good though
[1:53:36] um
so thank you thank you that was a nice
[1:53:39] surprise um to my mother gloria grider
for organizing set up the food um
[1:53:44] making everybody laugh
having a good time um
[1:53:48] and uh obviously my father were helping
them doing some hard labor out there
[1:53:51] thank you to everyone who came out
especially our youth it was very
[1:53:54] refreshing to see our youth participate
a lot of them brought their forums for
[1:53:57] their community service hours they need
it for school
[1:54:00] thank you councilmember street and
martin for coming out again thank you to
[1:54:04] everyone who participated and helped
it was a great success we did a lot of
[1:54:09] work out there um
it was no plan around it was work
[1:54:14] i mean i know i went home i was
exhausted so so thank you everybody who
[1:54:18] participated that was great
[1:54:32] um
i would like is it possible that i know
[1:54:35] last council meeting i asked for you to
if you could see some dates in april
[1:54:41] um this for a special meeting about the
crime in kirby do we have any available
[1:54:45] dates open or is it going to have to be
in may
[1:54:51] so i did go back and look but we
actually have um
[1:54:55] the first saturday in june which i think
is before it was already scheduled as
[1:54:58] our next quarterly forum
if you want to move it up we can look at
[1:55:03] a saturday in may but we've got
activities already in april
[1:55:08] okay maybe we can look at some dates in
may just in um because some of the i
[1:55:12] mean well a lot of the residents are
really concerned so maybe just possibly
[1:55:16] throw out some dates
um
[1:55:18] also when um just want to check the
status of the computer the little nook
[1:55:22] in the back for the council members when
will that be ready and available to use
[1:55:33] okay
so okay okay
[1:55:36] um
and also um i would like to put on the
[1:55:39] agenda uh in a future agenda item we
need to discuss putting money aside for
[1:55:44] our boards and committees for training
and when i say training i mean official
[1:55:48] training
um economic development committee um
[1:55:53] uh what was the uh what's from last week
planning and zone yes planning and
[1:55:58] zoning they need official training i
don't think that it's right for anybody
[1:56:04] no matter what position you're in just
to throw somebody in there they need to
[1:56:07] know
they need to be trained basically
[1:56:11] um and we need to really look into that
uh to see if there's some training out i
[1:56:15] know there has to be some training out
there possibly
[1:56:17] uh because
[1:56:20] right yeah maybe tml um just so to get
them more informed
[1:56:24] and also it's good just to touch up on
your skills every now and then you know
[1:56:27] you can't know everything right
okay
[1:56:30] so the kirby youth community outreach
event we invite kirby residents and
[1:56:34] surrounding communities to bring your
children to the free event this event
[1:56:37] will take place on april 30th may 28th
and june 25th
[1:56:41] 12 to 1 p.m all ages welcome hosted by
semper fortis jiu jitsu
[1:56:47] at our very own vfw post 2059 3202
ackermann road here in kirby jiu-jitsu
[1:56:54] is proven to provide discipline improve
focus and attention i hope you bring
[1:56:57] your kids out to this event
um we have those three dates
[1:57:01] it's a free event um also i want to say
i had the honor of going to india
[1:57:07] association
of san antonio event and a learning
[1:57:10] experience um
uh
[1:57:14] my friends culture um
holy is a celebration of the beginning
[1:57:18] of spring and triumph of good over evil
holy is a hindu
[1:57:22] festival also known as the festival of
colors
[1:57:25] so this holy may evil leave your home in
may prosperity and joy walk in
[1:57:30] happy holi um thanks denali for that i
found it very interesting i think it's
[1:57:34] always good to learn other people's
cultures you know um because you gotta
[1:57:37] remember our community is made of all
types right it's a community okay so the
[1:57:42] last thing that i have
[1:57:46] is
women's history month so
[1:57:50] obviously it's coming to an end and i'm
honored to be blessed to be raised by my
[1:57:53] parents and especially my wonderful
mother gloria grider and have strong
[1:57:56] women
role models in my family and in my life
[1:58:00] in our city of kirby there are strong
women and i am honored to know you and
[1:58:03] to sit up here and represent you this
month as many have seen stories
[1:58:07] reflecting on courage of women in past
generations and celebrate their
[1:58:11] contributions but let us continue to
honor respect support and empower women
[1:58:16] of all ages all races and all
backgrounds i have seen so many women in
[1:58:21] our community in our city step up for
example england sanchez who owns is good
[1:58:26] though coordinated and raised money for
supplies for kirby kirby animal services
[1:58:30] she just did that out of the kindness of
her heart bj voigt offering to lend her
[1:58:34] truck to pick up items or offering to
cook and provide a meal to anyone yvonne
[1:58:38] rodriguez donating thanksgiving meals to
kirby residents her compassion and
[1:58:42] generosity is amazing gisele sanford who
owns creme de la hemp and also had a
[1:58:47] jewelry business and gave women and
kirby free jewelry just because jessica
[1:58:51] zapata who has a wealth of knowledge
with bear county records and is willing
[1:58:54] to help anyone anytime jacqueline malter
donated her chair to the park cleanup
[1:58:59] when i asked she said without any
hesitation said anytime you ever need
[1:59:03] them again i'm here for you
um mayor lisa pierce was the first to
[1:59:08] let me know when i was appointed
uh
[1:59:11] if i had any questions
um that i wanted to know
[1:59:15] she was gonna she was willing to answer
for me answer for me and she was here
[1:59:18] for me until this day if i have any
questions she provides me vital
[1:59:21] information
um there's plenty business owners here
[1:59:25] women business women owners here in
kirby sell me a low casina um actually i
[1:59:30] don't know if you guys want to yummy
yummy italian ice cream um that's a
[1:59:33] family of women who own that business um
maria's restaurant el ricon de maria and
[1:59:40] many other businesses in kirby owned by
women
[1:59:45] glenda curtis quick to support our
community and our city any way we uh any
[1:59:49] way she can offers genuine encouragement
and kindness um alice pat there are so
[1:59:53] many women that i can just
i can't even mention in our community
[1:59:59] that makes this a community
and that helps each other help each
[2:00:02] other out
um i will close with some of my favorite
[2:00:06] quotes by women
women belong in all places where the
[2:00:10] decisions are being made
it shouldn't be that women are the
[2:00:14] exception that's by the late supreme
court justice ruth bader ginsburg
[2:00:19] each time a woman stands up for herself
without knowing it possibly without
[2:00:24] claiming it she stands up for all women
maya angelou
[2:00:28] i had rather make history than write it
susan b anthony
[2:00:33] and the last one
don't mistake
[2:00:36] politeness for lack of strength supreme
court justice sonia manure amen
[2:00:43] [Applause]
mayor kim grant
[2:00:52] i have been looking at uh
different things especially the salaries
[2:00:57] of our employees
[2:01:00] and uh you know of course we've been
famous since i've lived here and since
[2:01:05] his department started
on being one of the biggest training
[2:01:08] centers for police officers in this
county
[2:01:12] so this upcoming budget year
[2:01:18] we really really need to look very hard
at
[2:01:22] our employees and the minimum wage
a starting officer in windcrest makes
[2:01:28] more than our detectives
why he stays just amazes out of me
[2:01:34] loyalty i guess because he likes the
city
[2:01:38] and i keep hearing about you know why
don't we fill this and why don't we fill
[2:01:43] that it's real simple they come in
because i've checked
[2:01:47] they fill out the application
they do the interview they get offered
[2:01:51] the job they see the salary they don't
show up
[2:01:56] because we are
dramatically below anybody else
[2:02:01] we're not even close to
we should be a minimum of the starting
[2:02:05] pay for every job in this city should be
a minimum of fifteen dollars an hour
[2:02:09] we're not close
yet we want to spend two hundred
[2:02:12] thousand dollars on a machine that digs
up the street
[2:02:15] another hundred thousand on the
equipment to support it and we got
[2:02:18] nobody to work it so let's go ahead and
buy it let us sit out there and gather
[2:02:21] dust because we have nobody to run it
and
[2:02:26] while i'm on that subject yes it takes
two men to run that machine what does it
[2:02:32] do
it digs up the pavement
[2:02:36] that's all it does
then you buy another machine called a
[2:02:42] lay down paver
which you have to train people to run
[2:02:48] and
again we talk about seguin
[2:02:52] good conversation there
their crew for that machine is five
[2:02:57] people minimal five people period
[2:03:03] and it's a dedicated crew basically now
they do work other jobs
[2:03:07] but when they start a job they get to
finish it
[2:03:10] our problem is like asphalt for instance
is like concrete
[2:03:14] you order so much concrete if you don't
use it it sits sets it hardens you can't
[2:03:20] save concrete guess what you can't save
asphalt
[2:03:25] once you've ordered asphalt for a job
you got so much time to use it if you
[2:03:30] don't use it in that amount of time it
sits sets excuse me
[2:03:36] it's called attention to a street where
a patch was put in and it's not
[2:03:42] completely full
why they ran out
[2:03:48] so what i'm saying to you folks is
you want to spend a whole bunch of money
[2:03:52] on something that we can't use it
doesn't make a lot of sense until we
[2:03:56] fill
and have every position filled
[2:04:01] right now i think we're short two and
what uh
[2:04:04] maintenance for the city start two
positions or three three
[2:04:08] okay and we're start two officers i know
for a fact
[2:04:13] uh
oh i caught it the other day for code
[2:04:16] compliance
well guess what
[2:04:19] the co-compliance officer has been one
dispatching
[2:04:23] to on patrol
so again
[2:04:28] you know
it's easy to complain it's easy to sit
[2:04:31] up here
and ask for all of these things to be
[2:04:34] done
we don't have the people to do them
[2:04:38] second of all we don't pay them to do
that
[2:04:42] so until we whether i'm sitting here
again or not and personally i'm getting
[2:04:46] the point i don't care honestly
but the point of it is that i'm making
[2:04:51] to you folks
if you don't put the money out to put
[2:04:54] the people in the positions
then you can buy all the stuff you want
[2:05:00] and it you don't you can't use it
so
[2:05:04] please this next budget
look at the people here take your time
[2:05:09] if you're going to do some research
every city's budget is published
[2:05:15] look it up
see what a street worker makes in
[2:05:18] congress see what a street worker makes
in windcrest
[2:05:22] see what one makes in shirts see what
one makes in live oak you should be
[2:05:26] embarrassed
how low we pay
[2:05:30] mike that runs and does our animal
control
[2:05:35] 9 15 bucks an hour and he runs a
department
[2:05:38] this is embarrassing
so complain all you want about the
[2:05:42] potholes
i feel sorry for them i drive them every
[2:05:45] day myself just like everybody else does
but if you don't have the people trained
[2:05:51] to fix them if you don't have the people
to run the machines that you want to buy
[2:05:57] nothing's going to get fixed
so think about that and think about
[2:06:01] where your tax money wants to go
come up here and talk to us
[2:06:08] check and see yourselves
there's there's everybody out there
[2:06:12] everything is available online to check
and see who makes what
[2:06:17] okay
it's an embarrassment to put your pl
[2:06:20] your life on the line with your police
officers
[2:06:23] for what we pay them
okay
[2:06:27] it's ridiculous actually
and i'm embarrassed because i can say i
[2:06:31] started 175 when it was 7.25 cents an
hour
[2:06:35] and we're just barely past that
barely past that
[2:06:42] so
anyway folks
[2:06:45] thank you all for staying with us all
our city people i appreciate it
[2:06:48] thanks for everybody that works hard
and have a good evening
[2:06:53] thank you
councilmember apodaca
[2:06:57] um
there's no doubt in my mind that um
[2:07:02] every employee of kirby works hard
and um
[2:07:06] i'd like to say that our public works
director
[2:07:10] mike you've done an outstanding job
there's just no other way to put it you
[2:07:16] are
a man of integrity and
[2:07:20] i'm really going to be sorry to see you
leave
[2:07:23] so
from the bottom of my heart i do
[2:07:25] appreciate all your hard work
[2:07:29] um
the vfw here in kirby
[2:07:33] um is having two events um i mentioned
one last time
[2:07:37] april 14th there's going to be a
fish fry
[2:07:41] um starts at 11 to 3
dine in or carry out you can call in
[2:07:46] your order
and they will be selling um
[2:07:51] pre-sale tickets and they're going to
have 50 50 in raffles
[2:07:56] and also on
may 7th that's a saturday they're going
[2:08:00] to have the lotteria
and they're going to have 14 games and
[2:08:05] 100 prizes for each game
it's a lot of fun been to a couple of
[2:08:11] them and
they are going to have
[2:08:15] food for sale
and
[2:08:17] [Music]
it says
[2:08:20] um
the two dollar bingo paper games 50
[2:08:25] gifts
so um if you have nothing to do that day
[2:08:29] it'll be a lot of fun
[2:08:33] councilmember martin
well folks y'all heard it
[2:08:37] there ain't been nothing done around
here in 20 years and i guess it's gonna
[2:08:40] take another 20 years for us to get
anything done
[2:08:44] there's plenty of things that we can do
to this city
[2:08:48] and sure we can get these employees more
money we can keep them we can buy
[2:08:51] equipment
it's up to us to make that change
[2:08:55] you got a difference between change and
control that's your choice
[2:09:00] i want to thank mike ice
for his
[2:09:03] great job he's done here and which best
team wish on his next in their endeavors
[2:09:08] but believe us
we're going to move this city forward
[2:09:12] and it's not going to take 20 years to
do it
[2:09:15] so hang with us
and may god bless y'all that's all i got
[2:09:20] thank you
all right um remember
[2:09:24] we have candidates running for office
election is first
[2:09:31] like to thank everybody in this
please have a safe journey home meeting
[2:09:36] adjourned