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okay folks here we

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go I'd like to call to order the regular

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meeting of the Council of the

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corporation of the municipality of

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kardan at 5:00 on October 9th 2024 in

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the council chamers at the M Municipal

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Administration

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Center uh roll call this evening Deputy

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Mayor Clark pres councelor Blackwell

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present councelor Kavanaugh pres

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councelor hinchberger present councelor

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pranger present councelor off gray

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present councelor Stewart present and

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I'd like to acknowledge the uh many

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staff and guests that we have in our

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Gallery this evening uh councelor Stein

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off gray

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please thank you we would like to begin

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by acknowledging that we are meeting on

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the traditional lands and treaty

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territory of the Sago jiay nation which

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includes the Chipawa of Nash unseated

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First Nation and the chipa was of sagin

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first nation whose ancestors were the

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first to inhabit care for and live on

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this land Land We recognize and deeply

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appreciate the contributions that

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indigenous peoples have made both in

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caring for this land and shaping and

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strengthening this community our

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Province and our country as a public

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service organization we are dedicated to

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learning and acknowledging indigenous

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history and culture and are committed to

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actions that move us towards a journey

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of Truth healing and reconciliation with

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the Sagi noji Nation the matey nation of

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Ontario and the historic sagin matei

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are there any amendments additions or

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dels to or from the agenda this

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evening seeing none I'd like to remind

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counselors to disclose any pecuniary

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interest now or as it uh happens

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throughout the meeting and the general

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nature

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thereof so we need a moover and seconder

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that the minutes of the council meetings

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held on September 23 2024 and September

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25 2024 be adopted as

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printed okay we need to move for second

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please councelor Blackwell Deputy Mayor

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Clark uh are there any uh discussion

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councelor Stewart please thank you

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through you chair um the post meeting

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minutes on September 25th section 9.1

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matters arising out a closed

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session I need help here because number

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four said the potential litigation

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matter was provided for

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information but from my understanding of

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the close session

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we actually gave some directions to

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staff but that's not captured here is

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that correct we gave directions to

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staff so I'm a little

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confused because the two other ones it

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said Direction was provided Direction

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was provided to staff I thought we gave

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some directions to staff help

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please to you um mayor to the counselor

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um on that particular item uh no there

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was no Direction provided to staff it

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was information um presented to council

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by the

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lawyer um if I I there was no Direction

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given to our staff there was a uh a

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process perhaps that was acknowledged by

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our legal counselor but you know

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specifically there was none given to our

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staff for followup so

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it could be splitting hairs but like

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specifically to our staff I don't

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believe there was any direction given it

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was more to our legal council so whether

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whether that's included to staff I don't

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I'm not sure the technicality of that

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but there was there was a process that

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was being

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undertaken routine just routine okay

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yeah that that explains it I just was a

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little bit confused because there was

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something given yep thank you any

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further discussion all in favor and

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that's

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carried matters for public participation

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we have need a move or and second or the

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council move into the committee of

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adjustment meeting and upon completion

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return to council moved by counselors

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pringer and hinchberger all in favor

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that's carried so we're now in Committee

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of adjustment I'd like to call to order

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the committee of adjustment meeting of

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the council for the corporation at uh

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504 on October 9th uh roll call Remains

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the Same uh once again remind uh

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counselors to declare any pecuniary

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interest in the nature thereof adoption

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of minutes we need a moover in seconder

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that the minutes of the committee of

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adjustment meeting of October 14 2024 be

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adopted as printed moved by councilors

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Kavanaugh and steinhof gr any discussion

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all in favor that's

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carried all right we have a uh next on

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the agenda is a hearing for minor

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variance file number a 2024

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012 and this is a hearing under the

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planning act so we have two minor

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variances this evening and later on in

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the open Agenda we have a uh planning

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application the uh instructions

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regarding the process of the meeting

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remain the same for each one so I'm just

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going to read it once and then remind

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you that we're going to do it again and

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again so uh this is a hearing under the

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planning act so if anyone from the

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public is interested in this application

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or wishes to receive a notice of the

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decision there is an email address

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available from our planner this evening

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Jake uh uh bfield

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bousta

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booi uh it's the email is just too weird

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to read out nobody's going to listen to

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it anyway uh so first we're going to

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receive a report from our planning staff

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and then the committee members will have

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an opportunity to ask questions and I

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will ask them to reserve their comments

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on the application you know the the

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questions you ask are technical in

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nature reserve their comments on the

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application till we've heard from the

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public then we'll hear from the public

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who are here in person virtually or of

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submitted

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correspondence uh to the above email

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that I didn't give members of the public

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are advised that the right to appeal the

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decision on this application is limited

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to specified persons and public bodies

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as defined in the planning act or the

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owner or applicant of the land subject

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to the amendment who have provided oral

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or written comments to the committee on

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on the application before the decision

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is made so if after we've heard from the

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public the committee will discuss and

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consider a recommendation on this

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application so I now declare the hearing

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open and ask the planner Jake busfield

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batito to present the

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application thank you good evening

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committee so the first proposal before

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you tonight is uh file a12 ban uh this

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is for a reduction in a rear yard

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setback from the require 7.5 M to 5.5 m

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The Proposal is for an addition at 39

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Institute uh along the bay dor Shoreline

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for a two-car garage with a second story

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addition portions of the existing

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structure are up to 2.2 M from the rear

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yard um the bulk of the addition will be

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set back around 6.8 M from the rear lot

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line except for a turret feature which

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would be 5.5 m so in considering the

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four tests of the minor variance um I

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won't detail all four of them but

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instead draw your attention to

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maintaining the purpose and intent of

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the zoning bylaw so the intent of reard

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setbacks is to maintain orderly

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development and adequate open amenity

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space uh given portions of the existing

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dwelling are 2.2 M the proposal to

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create an addition set back between

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between 5.5 and 6.8 M uh does not

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introduce a new form of development to

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area on top of that amenity space is

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generally maintained um the applicant

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has uh detailed that the area for the

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proposed garage is currently used for

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open parking and would th be replaced by

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sheltered parking in the garage and that

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pushing further to meet those uh that

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7.5 M would require greater tree

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clearing uh I want to draw the committee

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attention to um two conditions which are

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proposed outside of the typical

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conditions one and two that you see um

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so the third uh condition relating to an

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archa archaeological study um a study

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was completed in consultation with Sagi

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njib Nation um this gets into the

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technicalities of how these are

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typically approved um typically the

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report is done uh following completion

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of indigenous review and engagement the

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reports are reviewed by the appropriate

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provincial Ministry and entered into

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their registry um we're experiencing

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delays in Ministry review there and

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considered it prudent to um keep the

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file moving through the approval process

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uh um leaving this last step as a

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condition uh the fourth condition is for

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a survey to be done um to confirm the

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existing and proposed setbacks uh and

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ensure that there's no encroachment into

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the municipally owned RightWay along the

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Waterfront um finally to note that uh s

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Valley conservation Authority have

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reviewed and confirmed that their haing

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Hazard

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mapping uh will be updated and that the

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proposal is outside of any Hazard

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mapping uh with these conditions

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Incorporated and the analysis provided

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we consider the application to meet the

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four tests of the minor variance and

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recommend approval

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thank you for that Jake are there any

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questions for the planner technical

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questions from the planner regarding the

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application councelor Stewart please

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thank you through you chair I I'm G to

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highly recommend you pushed it through

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and there is some conditions and

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everything but thank you for allowing

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that to go through Speedy because I know

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there is some delays outside of our

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control and your control so well done

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you uh just one for myself this is a

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gage with uh residential uh space above

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um is that uh is there a specified plan

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for uh B&B or residential does that does

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that residential unit above affect any

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of the land use uh in that particular

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area is that a concern at

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all it's just kind of a yes or no

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question no okay thank you

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all right now we'll hear from members of

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the public uh is the applicant or agent

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present and would you like to make a

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presentation uh please state your name

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when you get to the uh microphone for a

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record please

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sir name is Dan Beeman um Jake has done

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an excellent job on it pushing it

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and I don't think we're the one the one

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entrance what we're doing is the

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building already has two separate

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sections to it and by putting the one

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entrance we're joining it making it and

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making it a four bedroom house just and

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it's now basically a two-bedroom and

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it's got a a small bachelor apartment

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and we're eliminating the bachelor

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apartment and just make it one

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house thank you Mr

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ban uh is there anyone else here from

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the public who would like to speak in

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support of this application

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uh is there anyone here who would like

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to speak with questions concerns or

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objections to the application anyone

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with objections to the

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application uh Jake were there any

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written submissions that uh we should

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hear about no

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okay uh all right do any committee

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members have any final questions of the

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applicant or

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anyone uh so now I declare the hearing

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to be closed and we'll consider the

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recommendation

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uh so we need a mover in second that the

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committee of adjustment approv minor

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variance A2 20242 for Dan and Ivon ban

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at the property located at 39 Institute

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road to permit a reduction in the rear

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yard setback from 7 and a half to five

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and a half meters moved by councilors

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Clark and

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Kavanaugh uh is there any discussion all

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in favor and that's

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carried next on the agenda is a hearing

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for minor variant file number 82 2024

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031 uh same rules uh apply for this

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hearing as the last one I declare this

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hearing open and ask the planner Jake

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bufi bsto to present the application

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please I must be saying that really bad

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if with the smile that comes on your

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face am I bfield

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btia but but it doesn't matter I'm used

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to it hi Jake welcome yeah glad to have

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you here

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tonight so the um requested variance for

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this file is a reduced rear yard setback

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um for a shed at 558 C on Terrace uh the

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typical setback uh sorry from required 6

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M to a requested 2 m the typical setback

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for an accessory structure in a

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residential area can be one meter from a

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rear yard however for this particular

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lot which is considered uh through lot

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um given that station Beach Road is

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behind

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it um there are specific Provisions

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which require accessory structures in

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the rear yard to be subject to front

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yard setback which in this case is six

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meters so again um I'll draw your

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attention to the intent maintaining the

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intent of the zoning bylaw uh the

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provision related specific provision

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related to through Lots so these

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Provisions help to manage uh streetscape

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impacts to streets or lanes that would

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be Abed by a rear yard the street in

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question station Beach Road is not

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actually situated within that R of way

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um rather it's within a municipally

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owned piece of land along the

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beach uh so effectively station Beach

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Road is buffered from development at the

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rear of the property by the 20 meter

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Road allowance uh which is maintained in

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a vegetated semi-natural state uh the

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proposed shed wouldn't physically

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encroach in the allowance and would not

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limit any future potential uses of that

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road

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allowance um the site is constrained by

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the large Bluff feature bisecting it um

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permitting this reduced rear yard

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setback would allow for the proposal to

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situate a shed uh and a pool in the

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future beyond the toe of the slope and

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outside the Environmental Protection

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Zone um which sagin Valley conservation

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Authority has reviewed and supports the

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request

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um given the above we consider the

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proposal to meet the four tests of the

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minor variance and recommend

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approval thank you uh any technical

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questions for the

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planner councelor Blackwell please uh

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thank you through you um one of the

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comments is specifically about it being

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buffered from the station Beach Road

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with that road allowance when we did

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some of our Waterfront Master plans

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there was some discussion about

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potentially in the future of how that

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might be um organized a bit differently

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if we needed to open up um that

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currently vegetated Road allowance would

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you still recommend this if that was to

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be a

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road sure uh through you

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um if it were opened up as a road um of

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course this structure would be situated

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closer than the zoning bi law permits as

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of right um two things I would note

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there um are there are quite a few

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properties most along this stretch um do

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use that rear amenity space um I I

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believe some even do encroach into the

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road allowance um so this this proposal

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wouldn't physically limit any use of

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that um space the considering the

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streetcape impacts uh would of course be

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a consideration but it would be um a

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broad exercise along that stretch um

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second thing to note um which I'm sure

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you know is of course that it's um very

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well vegetated now so um that would

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obviously be weighing into that

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decision one of the comments you made

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was that the pool would be put in in the

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future is there

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a I'm wondering about what future means

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and uh is this minor variance for the

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shed or is it for a pool

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sometime right um through you the the

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minor variance specifically is for the

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shed the applicant has stated that they

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don't have a specific plan to install

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the pool immediately um uh but given the

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constraint of that the toe of the slope

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um if the shed were situated to meet

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those setbacks

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they would be limited in any possibility

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to install that pool um so to the letter

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the shed the minor variance is for the

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shed structure it creates the ability

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for the applicant to build the pool in

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the

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future further

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questions is the applicant or agent

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present this evening would they like to

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make comment apparently not here okay uh

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anyone here from the public to speak in

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support of this

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application anyone here like to speak in

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opposition to this

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application uh any other written

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submissions we need to hear

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about no okay all right do any committee

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members have any final questions before

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we close the hearing and discuss the

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application nope okay so I now declare

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the hearing

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closed so I need a moover in second or

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that the Committee of adjustment

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approved minor variance a 202 2431 for

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Alex Osman at the property located at

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558 here in terce to permit a reduction

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in the rear yard setback from six meters

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to two meters moved by counselors

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hinchberger and Blackwell all in favor

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and that's

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carried uh and a move mover and seconder

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that we adjourn at uh

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519 uh counselor Blackwell and steinhof

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gray all in favor that's carried we are

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now back in uh open Council

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session wow we get to have a public

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meeting uh next on the agenda is the

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public meeting for zoning Amendment file

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number Z 2024 z51 and the same uh

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guidelines uh under the planning act are

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in effect for this meeting as were for

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the two minor variance meetings so I

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declare the public meeting open and ask

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the planner to present the application

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okay thank you the proposal before you

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tonight is for the rezoning required to

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facilitate uh Surplus Farm dwelling

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Severance at 728

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Northline uh the severance which would

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be considered by the county at a later

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date is for roughly 66 hectare parcel

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containing an existing

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dwelling uh which would leave a roughly

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81 hectare Farm parcel the required

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resoning is to prohibit residential uses

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on the retained Farm parcel and apply

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holding for the lands with high

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archaeological

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potential uh on both severed and

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retained

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Parcels The Proposal um is consistent

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with the agricultural policies for

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Surplus Farm dwelling severances in both

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the provincial policy statement and

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Bruce County official plan and as such

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we recommend approval

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thank you are there any technical

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questions for our planner this evening

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councelor Stuart please thank you and

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through you chair um good

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presentation why don't we do the

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severance at the same

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time you know because they're going to

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be back in no time to do a seance

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couldn't we do both of them together or

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is just not

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allowed uh through you chair um the the

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severance is approved at the by the

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county um and we have uh delegated staff

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approval to to do those severances if um

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there are no issues raised so this this

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doesn't go to County Council for a

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separate decision um we will while the

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appeal should should it be approved the

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sorry should the zoning be approved

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tonight by Council um while the appeal

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period is happening uh I'll prepare the

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report and send it um to Monica uh for

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her review and

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um the yeah the approval can happen um

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shortly after this so they they don't

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need to come back and submit an

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application that's yeah okay yeah

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councelor Stuart uh County counselors

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only get the applications that

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somebody's raised in ad joke into like

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they don't want to give us anything

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simple it's always the com complicated

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things to to deal

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with uh any further questions for the

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planner uh is the agent or applicant

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here would you like to speak to the

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application you all right okay thank

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you pardon

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me uh yeah the applicant is uh Blair

519
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Scott and and he is here present uh is

520
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there anyone here who would like to

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speak in support of this

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application anyone here who'd like to

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speak in on opposition to this uh

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application uh Council once again any

525
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further questions before we get to uh uh

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close the public meeting and discuss the

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application okay so and I declar the

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public meeting to be

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closed and we need a mover and seconder

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the council approves zoning bylaw

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Amendment application Zed 2024 051 for

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Bruce Lee Poultry Farm limited care

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Blair Scott at 728 North Line and the

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necessary bylaw be forwarded to council

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for adoption moved by councilors

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hinchberger and Clark Deputy Mayor Clark

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uh any further discussion all in favor

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and that's

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carried all right to move on to

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delegations and presentations I'd like

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to welcome uh Monica Walker Bolton land

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use planning manager and Jack Van Dorp

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director of Planning and Development who

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will provide an update on the new Bruce

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County official plan and I realize this

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is uh in delegations and presentations

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but we're we're going to be heavy on the

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presentation uh so that you're not

549
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limited to precisely five minutes for

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the for the presentation okay thank you

551
00:27:13,919 --> 00:27:15,679
so much for that uh we're going to need

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about 20 minutes if that's all right

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with

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Council thank you very much uh mayor

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Craig for the introduction and uh thank

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you to King Carden Council for having us

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it's my pleasure to present to you today

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the draft of the new Bruce County

559
00:27:29,640 --> 00:27:32,080
official plan this draft has been a long

560
00:27:32,080 --> 00:27:34,279
time coming and represents significant

561
00:27:34,279 --> 00:27:36,399
effort from planning staff from the

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beginning we have worked with the

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Consulting team at wsp and along the way

564
00:27:40,440 --> 00:27:41,799
we have worked with Consultants like

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00:27:41,799 --> 00:27:44,960
Watson and Associates dbh soil services

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and nor South environmental Inc today we

567
00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:49,559
want to provide a highlevel overview of

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00:27:49,559 --> 00:27:51,320
the plan and receive

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questions the official plan needs to be

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00:27:53,559 --> 00:27:55,279
consistent with provincial policies and

571
00:27:55,279 --> 00:27:57,399
directions including the new provincial

572
00:27:57,399 --> 00:27:59,039
planning statement which was released at

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the end of August and will come into

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force on October

575
00:28:02,760 --> 00:28:05,279
20th it also needs to reflect the Bruce

576
00:28:05,279 --> 00:28:07,399
County context and we will talk about

577
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the PPS a little bit later to understand

578
00:28:09,840 --> 00:28:12,559
the Bruce County context we compared the

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00:28:12,559 --> 00:28:15,679
we completed the Bruce GPS project that

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00:28:15,679 --> 00:28:19,399
occurred in 2018 through 2019 and it was

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an extensive public engagement that led

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to eight guiding principles that are

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found in the draft new official plan

584
00:28:25,840 --> 00:28:27,640
discussion papers were prepared for each

585
00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:30,720
of the guiding principles from 20199 to

586
00:28:30,720 --> 00:28:35,279
2022 and those included potential policy

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00:28:35,279 --> 00:28:37,600
directions some of these directions were

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00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:38,960
already addressed through a number of

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00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:41,320
amendments made to the existing plan and

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00:28:41,320 --> 00:28:44,080
others were left to the new plan these

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00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:46,000
potential policy directions were largely

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00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:48,480
incorporated into the new official plan

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and in a few cases where they were not

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00:28:50,279 --> 00:28:52,080
specifically addressed it was due to

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conf conflict with provincial direction

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00:28:54,279 --> 00:28:55,640
or we felt it was better addressed

597
00:28:55,640 --> 00:28:57,080
through other planning tools like in

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00:28:57,080 --> 00:28:58,960
local official plan or strategy

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00:28:58,960 --> 00:29:01,279
documents and the slide that I have up

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00:29:01,279 --> 00:29:05,000
up now um provides a summary of all of

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00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:07,559
the um well a high level summary of what

602
00:29:07,559 --> 00:29:09,840
was included through the Bruce GPS and

603
00:29:09,840 --> 00:29:12,600
what was included in and what was not

604
00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:15,559
included but moving

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00:29:15,559 --> 00:29:18,360
on um much of the work in preparing the

606
00:29:18,360 --> 00:29:19,960
plan was completed through various

607
00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:21,600
amendments to the existing County

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00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:24,039
official plan including additional

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00:29:24,039 --> 00:29:25,679
residential units

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00:29:25,679 --> 00:29:28,760
policies agricultural policies

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00:29:28,760 --> 00:29:31,360
a housekeeping Amendment the growth

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00:29:31,360 --> 00:29:33,399
management and servicing policies which

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00:29:33,399 --> 00:29:36,360
was another Standalone Amendment and the

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00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:38,640
implementation policy

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00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:41,720
Amendment other policies from the plan

616
00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:44,080
the existing plan continue to remain

617
00:29:44,080 --> 00:29:46,159
relevant and appropriate and are also

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00:29:46,159 --> 00:29:48,760
included in this uh new draft official

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00:29:48,760 --> 00:29:51,799
plan to make it easier to follow uh

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00:29:51,799 --> 00:29:54,279
what's changed and to understand the

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00:29:54,279 --> 00:29:55,760
difference between the current policies

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00:29:55,760 --> 00:29:58,440
and the proposed new policies we have

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00:29:58,440 --> 00:30:00,720
highlighted policies that are unchanged

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00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:02,679
or only modified slightly from the

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00:30:02,679 --> 00:30:04,600
currently approved plan policies by

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00:30:04,600 --> 00:30:06,919
coloring them gray in the draft and

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00:30:06,919 --> 00:30:08,679
marking them up as indicated on this

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slide white text in the background is a

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00:30:11,279 --> 00:30:13,440
new or more substantially modified from

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the current

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00:30:15,399 --> 00:30:18,480
plan in terms of structure the proposed

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00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:20,200
plan consists of six parts which are

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00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:22,640
outlined on this Slide the first five

634
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parts lay out the vision growth forecast

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00:30:25,360 --> 00:30:27,519
countywide policies policies for

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00:30:27,519 --> 00:30:28,760
designation

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00:30:28,760 --> 00:30:31,519
and then implementation policies site

638
00:30:31,519 --> 00:30:33,159
specific policy amendments that need to

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00:30:33,159 --> 00:30:34,600
be carried forward will be gathered

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00:30:34,600 --> 00:30:36,919
together in part six uh which staff are

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00:30:36,919 --> 00:30:40,110
still

642
00:30:40,120 --> 00:30:42,799
compiling as I promised earlier here

643
00:30:42,799 --> 00:30:44,799
here we'll introduce the new provincial

644
00:30:44,799 --> 00:30:46,240
planning

645
00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:48,320
statement the new provincial planning

646
00:30:48,320 --> 00:30:50,480
statement directs that for growth

647
00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:52,480
planning and specifically population

648
00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:53,799
projections we are to follow the

649
00:30:53,799 --> 00:30:55,240
Ministry of Finance

650
00:30:55,240 --> 00:30:57,559
forecasts this is already a standard

651
00:30:57,559 --> 00:30:59,480
practice and what was used in

652
00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:01,519
formulating the new draft Bruce County

653
00:31:01,519 --> 00:31:04,639
official plan the province approved the

654
00:31:04,639 --> 00:31:06,279
countywide growth

655
00:31:06,279 --> 00:31:10,080
forecast in um August the province

656
00:31:10,080 --> 00:31:12,240
regularly Issues new forecasts and we

657
00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:14,559
will monitor growth relative to these

658
00:31:14,559 --> 00:31:17,399
forecasts the plan Horizon to

659
00:31:17,399 --> 00:31:20,039
2046 lines up with the duration of the

660
00:31:20,039 --> 00:31:21,200
current

661
00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:23,760
forecast one function of growth forecast

662
00:31:23,760 --> 00:31:26,320
is to plan for land budgeting as in is

663
00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:28,120
there enough land in the regional Markin

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00:31:28,120 --> 00:31:30,120
market area to support growth over the

665
00:31:30,120 --> 00:31:33,639
plan Horizon focusing on a regional

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00:31:33,639 --> 00:31:35,600
market area presented some challenges in

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00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:38,799
Bruce County in terms of focusing on the

668
00:31:38,799 --> 00:31:41,279
whole County as the market area and then

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00:31:41,279 --> 00:31:43,519
having to review changes relative to

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00:31:43,519 --> 00:31:46,240
that countywide land Supply we provided

671
00:31:46,240 --> 00:31:47,720
comments to The Province on this when

672
00:31:47,720 --> 00:31:50,399
the PPS was under review now the new

673
00:31:50,399 --> 00:31:52,240
provincial planning statement has remove

674
00:31:52,240 --> 00:31:54,639
requirements for comprehensive reviews

675
00:31:54,639 --> 00:31:59,080
this solves that uh countywide issue but

676
00:31:59,080 --> 00:32:02,159
also opens up our communities to risks

677
00:32:02,159 --> 00:32:04,200
that proponents can apply to expand

678
00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:07,279
Municipal boundaries uh settlement area

679
00:32:07,279 --> 00:32:10,720
boundaries whenever they have land and

680
00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:13,639
if they appeal they can appeal a refusal

681
00:32:13,639 --> 00:32:16,159
to approve a municipal uh settlement

682
00:32:16,159 --> 00:32:18,279
area boundary expansion which could

683
00:32:18,279 --> 00:32:20,639
impact our ability to shape communities

684
00:32:20,639 --> 00:32:23,000
so to address this we have included

685
00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:25,159
proposed policies in the draft new Bruce

686
00:32:25,159 --> 00:32:26,960
County official plan that provide

687
00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:28,840
Direction and CR IIA for boundary

688
00:32:28,840 --> 00:32:30,840
expansions and this will help ensure

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00:32:30,840 --> 00:32:32,639
that municipalities are able to direct

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00:32:32,639 --> 00:32:34,039
where and how they will grow for the

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00:32:34,039 --> 00:32:38,389
benefit of the whole

692
00:32:38,399 --> 00:32:41,000
Community through this plan we have been

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00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:42,840
working to structure policies wherever

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00:32:42,840 --> 00:32:44,440
possible to point to provincial

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00:32:44,440 --> 00:32:46,039
Direction without duplicating the

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00:32:46,039 --> 00:32:48,320
direction this is an effort to reduce

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00:32:48,320 --> 00:32:50,120
the need to amend the plan if provincial

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00:32:50,120 --> 00:32:52,840
Direction changes we could yet take an

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00:32:52,840 --> 00:32:54,799
opportunity to point more directly to

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00:32:54,799 --> 00:32:56,159
collaboration with school boards in the

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00:32:56,159 --> 00:32:58,720
new plan as is highlighted in this slide

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00:32:58,720 --> 00:33:01,000
the new draft plan also Maps natural

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00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:03,679
heritage and Water Resource systems this

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00:33:03,679 --> 00:33:05,600
system approach for the new Bruce County

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00:33:05,600 --> 00:33:08,320
official plan reflect reflects direction

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that was established in the 2014 PPS and

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00:33:11,399 --> 00:33:13,600
is carried forward in the 2020 and now

708
00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:16,519
the 2024 PPS and we'll talk a little bit

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00:33:16,519 --> 00:33:18,240
more about the natural heritage and

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00:33:18,240 --> 00:33:20,480
Water Resource systems uh in a

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00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:23,279
moment we will now take you on a guided

712
00:33:23,279 --> 00:33:27,000
tour of the official plan and um staff

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00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:28,960
have been gracious and enough to allow

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00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:33,360
uh Jack to navigate some um some

715
00:33:33,360 --> 00:33:34,880
interpretation tools that we have

716
00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:37,200
available on the plan the Bruce website

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00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:40,039
so the mapping that we have up here is

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00:33:40,039 --> 00:33:42,760
um is an interactive tool that's

719
00:33:42,760 --> 00:33:44,919
available for the public to be able to

720
00:33:44,919 --> 00:33:47,679
compare the current schedules in the

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00:33:47,679 --> 00:33:49,320
Bruce County official plan with the

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00:33:49,320 --> 00:33:51,559
proposed draft so this first slide that

723
00:33:51,559 --> 00:33:53,960
we're looking at is for schedule a it

724
00:33:53,960 --> 00:33:55,720
has the same general content as the

725
00:33:55,720 --> 00:33:58,519
current schedule a agriculture areas are

726
00:33:58,519 --> 00:34:01,080
now defined by property boundary as

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00:34:01,080 --> 00:34:04,639
opposed to previously following um a

728
00:34:04,639 --> 00:34:07,679
soils mapping and so what that resulted

729
00:34:07,679 --> 00:34:09,599
in is is in the past some Lots would

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00:34:09,599 --> 00:34:11,879
have a mixture of some primeag and some

731
00:34:11,879 --> 00:34:14,359
Rural and that made it difficult to

732
00:34:14,359 --> 00:34:17,960
apply policies the agriculture Maps were

733
00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:20,760
prepared based on a land evaluation area

734
00:34:20,760 --> 00:34:22,639
review analysis that was completed by

735
00:34:22,639 --> 00:34:25,079
the province in that provincial review

736
00:34:25,079 --> 00:34:28,000
The First Cut had three components um uh

737
00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:31,240
recommended Prime agricultural land

738
00:34:31,240 --> 00:34:34,919
nonprime and potential Prime planning

739
00:34:34,919 --> 00:34:37,560
staff took that output from The Province

740
00:34:37,560 --> 00:34:41,440
and with wsp and dbh soil Services we

741
00:34:41,440 --> 00:34:43,280
reviewed and refined that output from

742
00:34:43,280 --> 00:34:45,679
the provincial year to create the two

743
00:34:45,679 --> 00:34:47,639
designations proposed in the draft new

744
00:34:47,639 --> 00:34:50,839
official plan Agricultural and Rural we

745
00:34:50,839 --> 00:34:52,679
then did a check-in with local Municipal

746
00:34:52,679 --> 00:34:55,599
staff and to derive the proposed

747
00:34:55,599 --> 00:34:58,320
schedules the plan text re recognizes

748
00:34:58,320 --> 00:35:00,480
the agriculture system as an important

749
00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:03,320
economic contributor to the County's

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00:35:03,320 --> 00:35:05,680
Prosperity agricultural areas will be

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00:35:05,680 --> 00:35:07,760
allow two additional residential units

752
00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:09,400
to align with a new provincial planning

753
00:35:09,400 --> 00:35:12,119
statement this is an increase up um from

754
00:35:12,119 --> 00:35:14,400
only one permitted in the current plan

755
00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:15,880
this means that the policies for

756
00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:17,640
agriculture and Rural lands will be the

757
00:35:17,640 --> 00:35:19,320
same when it comes to additional

758
00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:22,119
residential units we've updated open

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00:35:22,119 --> 00:35:24,079
space lands to include land trust and

760
00:35:24,079 --> 00:35:26,079
NGO lands that are eligible for

761
00:35:26,079 --> 00:35:29,200
provincial conservation land tax

762
00:35:29,200 --> 00:35:31,680
incentives we've Incorporated the best

763
00:35:31,680 --> 00:35:33,720
available Hazard land information from

764
00:35:33,720 --> 00:35:35,920
conservation authorities and we've

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00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:38,720
merged Shoreline Inland Lake and Travel

766
00:35:38,720 --> 00:35:44,069
Trailer Park and Campground into one new

767
00:35:44,079 --> 00:35:47,480
designation schedule B is a

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00:35:47,480 --> 00:35:50,760
transportation map that shows all of the

769
00:35:50,760 --> 00:35:53,240
uh County highways local roads

770
00:35:53,240 --> 00:35:55,319
provincial highways it's the same

771
00:35:55,319 --> 00:35:57,079
general content as the current schedule

772
00:35:57,079 --> 00:36:00,829
be transport

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00:36:00,839 --> 00:36:02,599
um I just received a note that we might

774
00:36:02,599 --> 00:36:06,040
have um the slides flipped that North

775
00:36:06,040 --> 00:36:08,319
might not be pointing

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00:36:08,319 --> 00:36:10,119
up

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00:36:10,119 --> 00:36:13,920
um Schedule C constraints is the next U

778
00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:15,839
map that I wanted to take us through

779
00:36:15,839 --> 00:36:18,560
natural heritage constraints um have

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00:36:18,560 --> 00:36:20,240
been removed from this map and now

781
00:36:20,240 --> 00:36:23,119
appear on Schedule E other than that the

782
00:36:23,119 --> 00:36:25,560
same um General approach is taken to the

783
00:36:25,560 --> 00:36:28,520
constraints map it shows features that

784
00:36:28,520 --> 00:36:30,440
might constrain development such as

785
00:36:30,440 --> 00:36:33,359
known gravel deposits landfills and

786
00:36:33,359 --> 00:36:35,599
other uh features that development needs

787
00:36:35,599 --> 00:36:38,800
to stay away from Schedule D is the

788
00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:41,079
source water protection mapping the

789
00:36:41,079 --> 00:36:43,160
viewer that we have available shows the

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00:36:43,160 --> 00:36:45,280
data that will be in the plan as a

791
00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:47,040
series of maps as they exist in the

792
00:36:47,040 --> 00:36:49,640
source protection plans this way they

793
00:36:49,640 --> 00:36:51,400
can be easily updated in the county

794
00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:53,240
official plan when there is a change to

795
00:36:53,240 --> 00:36:55,560
the source protection plan without

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00:36:55,560 --> 00:36:57,319
having to go through a formal amendment

797
00:36:57,319 --> 00:37:00,560
to the county official plan Schedule E

798
00:37:00,560 --> 00:37:03,680
is the natural heritage system mapping

799
00:37:03,680 --> 00:37:06,480
the current viewer includes the areas of

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00:37:06,480 --> 00:37:08,599
natural and scientific interests and

801
00:37:08,599 --> 00:37:10,240
provincially significant Wetlands that

802
00:37:10,240 --> 00:37:12,400
are currently within Schedule C of the

803
00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:17,319
plan and um the proposed mapping has uh

804
00:37:17,319 --> 00:37:19,560
quite extensive natural environment

805
00:37:19,560 --> 00:37:22,079
features the county has a tremendous

806
00:37:22,079 --> 00:37:24,079
natural Legacy that includes the hon

807
00:37:24,079 --> 00:37:26,359
Fringe which is an important migratory

808
00:37:26,359 --> 00:37:28,079
bird pathway along the Lake here on

809
00:37:28,079 --> 00:37:30,520
Shore and is home to the grck swamp the

810
00:37:30,520 --> 00:37:32,599
largest forested wetland in Southern

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00:37:32,599 --> 00:37:35,280
Ontario the plan Builds on the legacy of

812
00:37:35,280 --> 00:37:37,920
conserving natural herit natural

813
00:37:37,920 --> 00:37:40,520
heritage features for current and future

814
00:37:40,520 --> 00:37:42,480
generations to appreciate that has been

815
00:37:42,480 --> 00:37:44,720
already established in the current Bruce

816
00:37:44,720 --> 00:37:47,400
County official plan we should note that

817
00:37:47,400 --> 00:37:49,319
the current County plan predates

818
00:37:49,319 --> 00:37:51,040
provincial Direction established in the

819
00:37:51,040 --> 00:37:54,640
2014 PPS that requires an identification

820
00:37:54,640 --> 00:37:57,800
of the natural heritage system in

821
00:37:57,800 --> 00:38:00,240
including features and areas and

822
00:38:00,240 --> 00:38:02,160
linkages that are intended to provide

823
00:38:02,160 --> 00:38:04,240
connectivity and support National

824
00:38:04,240 --> 00:38:06,359
processes so although the way the

825
00:38:06,359 --> 00:38:08,200
natural features are now Illustrated in

826
00:38:08,200 --> 00:38:10,319
the new draft County official plan might

827
00:38:10,319 --> 00:38:12,960
feel new this is implementing provincial

828
00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:14,319
direction that has been a standard

829
00:38:14,319 --> 00:38:17,359
Ontario wide for over a decade the plan

830
00:38:17,359 --> 00:38:19,640
has also adopted distinct approaches for

831
00:38:19,640 --> 00:38:21,480
Northern Bruce County and Southern Bruce

832
00:38:21,480 --> 00:38:23,760
County for Northern Bruce County based

833
00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:25,720
on the relative abundance of natural

834
00:38:25,720 --> 00:38:27,760
heritage features the focus is

835
00:38:27,760 --> 00:38:30,000
identifying and protecting the largest

836
00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:32,319
areas of intact habitat which are known

837
00:38:32,319 --> 00:38:35,040
as core areas for southern Bruce County

838
00:38:35,040 --> 00:38:37,160
the core area approach is not used but

839
00:38:37,160 --> 00:38:39,359
instead focus on maintaining key

840
00:38:39,359 --> 00:38:41,880
features and the system of relatively

841
00:38:41,880 --> 00:38:44,400
smaller forests and then the linkages

842
00:38:44,400 --> 00:38:46,599
like river valleys that connect nature

843
00:38:46,599 --> 00:38:49,119
in an interconnected system on the

844
00:38:49,119 --> 00:38:51,960
landscape we have included an annotated

845
00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:54,200
legend in the PDF schedules that

846
00:38:54,200 --> 00:38:56,560
describes criteria for development

847
00:38:56,560 --> 00:38:58,280
within the natural hair Heritage system

848
00:38:58,280 --> 00:39:00,560
and adjacent lands and when you're using

849
00:39:00,560 --> 00:39:02,800
the viewer you can click on a feature

850
00:39:02,800 --> 00:39:04,839
and the development criteria will will

851
00:39:04,839 --> 00:39:05,960
pop

852
00:39:05,960 --> 00:39:08,960
up high level policy direction for the

853
00:39:08,960 --> 00:39:11,440
features is available in the interactive

854
00:39:11,440 --> 00:39:13,920
version within the policy we have sought

855
00:39:13,920 --> 00:39:15,520
to be generally aligned with the

856
00:39:15,520 --> 00:39:17,520
provincial planning statement there are

857
00:39:17,520 --> 00:39:19,319
areas where have we we have gone beyond

858
00:39:19,319 --> 00:39:20,880
the provincial planning statement for

859
00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:23,680
example extending Pro protection for

860
00:39:23,680 --> 00:39:25,640
more Wetlands than just those that are

861
00:39:25,640 --> 00:39:28,200
identified as provincially significant

862
00:39:28,200 --> 00:39:30,200
provincial Direction already requires

863
00:39:30,200 --> 00:39:32,760
that we protect and prohibit development

864
00:39:32,760 --> 00:39:35,359
within provincially significant Wetlands

865
00:39:35,359 --> 00:39:37,520
the county plan also includes larger

866
00:39:37,520 --> 00:39:40,119
unevaluated wetlands in this protection

867
00:39:40,119 --> 00:39:41,720
such that the policy would not permit

868
00:39:41,720 --> 00:39:43,520
development in the fature and

869
00:39:43,520 --> 00:39:46,400
development adjacent to this feature uh

870
00:39:46,400 --> 00:39:48,359
would have to demonstrate no negative

871
00:39:48,359 --> 00:39:50,839
impact in these features existing

872
00:39:50,839 --> 00:39:53,240
agricultural uses are allowed to

873
00:39:53,240 --> 00:39:55,400
continue another new direction that we

874
00:39:55,400 --> 00:39:57,560
know is of interest um we had a lot of

875
00:39:57,560 --> 00:39:59,079
questions at the open houses that we

876
00:39:59,079 --> 00:40:01,920
hosted last week is the approach the

877
00:40:01,920 --> 00:40:05,400
systems based approach to the natural

878
00:40:05,400 --> 00:40:07,920
environment system and how linkages are

879
00:40:07,920 --> 00:40:11,119
a part of this linkages illustrate the

880
00:40:11,119 --> 00:40:12,960
interconnected nature of the natural

881
00:40:12,960 --> 00:40:15,599
environment features on the landscape

882
00:40:15,599 --> 00:40:18,000
within linkages the policy would be that

883
00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:20,200
existing uses can continue and the

884
00:40:20,200 --> 00:40:22,319
linkage functions should be maintained

885
00:40:22,319 --> 00:40:23,920
so when you're reviewing the natural

886
00:40:23,920 --> 00:40:25,680
environment map and uh Jack is

887
00:40:25,680 --> 00:40:27,800
highlighting them now there are local

888
00:40:27,800 --> 00:40:31,240
level um linkages which are noted in in

889
00:40:31,240 --> 00:40:33,359
purple and then there's county level

890
00:40:33,359 --> 00:40:35,560
linkages that are noted in the broader

891
00:40:35,560 --> 00:40:36,920
yellow

892
00:40:36,920 --> 00:40:39,920
band a linkage that crosses a farm field

893
00:40:39,920 --> 00:40:41,960
between two Forest patches does not

894
00:40:41,960 --> 00:40:43,960
require the farmer to make any change to

895
00:40:43,960 --> 00:40:46,200
their farming practice if there were a

896
00:40:46,200 --> 00:40:48,480
major change like a gravel pit proposal

897
00:40:48,480 --> 00:40:51,440
for example then enhancement of the link

898
00:40:51,440 --> 00:40:55,119
linkage function could be required again

899
00:40:55,119 --> 00:40:57,839
there is no impact to existing uses the

900
00:40:57,839 --> 00:41:00,160
linkages identify how nature moves

901
00:41:00,160 --> 00:41:02,599
across the landscape and existing Farm

902
00:41:02,599 --> 00:41:04,680
Fields roads and even existing buildings

903
00:41:04,680 --> 00:41:07,079
are part of that existing

904
00:41:07,079 --> 00:41:09,400
condition not all of the natural

905
00:41:09,400 --> 00:41:11,960
heritage features could be mapped Valley

906
00:41:11,960 --> 00:41:14,160
lands are not mapped however development

907
00:41:14,160 --> 00:41:16,480
pressures are generally not seen in

908
00:41:16,480 --> 00:41:19,960
these areas due to Natural Hazard

909
00:41:19,960 --> 00:41:22,640
constraints significant wildlife habitat

910
00:41:22,640 --> 00:41:24,720
and habitats of threatened species and

911
00:41:24,720 --> 00:41:27,520
endangered species are subject to change

912
00:41:27,520 --> 00:41:29,240
as species are added or removed from the

913
00:41:29,240 --> 00:41:31,480
list and provincial or federal law

914
00:41:31,480 --> 00:41:33,040
applies to these endangered and

915
00:41:33,040 --> 00:41:35,040
threatened species habitats regardless

916
00:41:35,040 --> 00:41:36,520
of what we have in the Bruce County

917
00:41:36,520 --> 00:41:39,319
official plan these habitats can include

918
00:41:39,319 --> 00:41:41,000
things like vernal pools which are

919
00:41:41,000 --> 00:41:43,319
Springtime pool pools that are temporary

920
00:41:43,319 --> 00:41:46,160
where amphibians breed uh or another

921
00:41:46,160 --> 00:41:48,319
example would be Bank barns where Barnes

922
00:41:48,319 --> 00:41:51,040
swallows nest it would be impractical to

923
00:41:51,040 --> 00:41:53,640
attempt to map all of these um

924
00:41:53,640 --> 00:41:55,400
significant features in the county

925
00:41:55,400 --> 00:41:58,319
official plan we did aim to identify

926
00:41:58,319 --> 00:42:01,240
features and areas that include many

927
00:42:01,240 --> 00:42:03,359
many significant wildlife habitats such

928
00:42:03,359 --> 00:42:05,000
as the core areas that I mentioned

929
00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:06,560
earlier

930
00:42:06,560 --> 00:42:09,359
and habitats for that would be suitable

931
00:42:09,359 --> 00:42:11,240
for endangered and threatened species

932
00:42:11,240 --> 00:42:12,560
also occur

933
00:42:12,560 --> 00:42:15,920
here we have shown natural heritage

934
00:42:15,920 --> 00:42:18,800
systems conceptually within settlement

935
00:42:18,800 --> 00:42:21,800
areas where a local official plan adopts

936
00:42:21,800 --> 00:42:23,400
different mapping in their settlement

937
00:42:23,400 --> 00:42:25,160
area than the county official plan the

938
00:42:25,160 --> 00:42:27,680
intent would be to incorporate the local

939
00:42:27,680 --> 00:42:30,559
mapping into the county plan we have

940
00:42:30,559 --> 00:42:32,160
shown that there is continuity of

941
00:42:32,160 --> 00:42:33,880
natural features between the county and

942
00:42:33,880 --> 00:42:37,400
S Saga jibway nation chipa was of nawash

943
00:42:37,400 --> 00:42:39,160
unseated First Nations the national

944
00:42:39,160 --> 00:42:41,280
parks and the Bruce Power site however

945
00:42:41,280 --> 00:42:42,640
the plan does not assert any

946
00:42:42,640 --> 00:42:45,359
jurisdiction in these areas moving on to

947
00:42:45,359 --> 00:42:48,319
schedule F which is the Water Resource

948
00:42:48,319 --> 00:42:50,720
system the provincial planning statement

949
00:42:50,720 --> 00:42:52,920
requires that we identify a Water

950
00:42:52,920 --> 00:42:55,559
Resource system this includes surface

951
00:42:55,559 --> 00:42:58,160
water features and ground water

952
00:42:58,160 --> 00:43:01,160
features one area that is new is the

953
00:43:01,160 --> 00:43:02,839
mapping of significant groundwater

954
00:43:02,839 --> 00:43:05,720
recharge areas concard has some of these

955
00:43:05,720 --> 00:43:08,160
areas although the extent of these areas

956
00:43:08,160 --> 00:43:09,680
is not as great as several other

957
00:43:09,680 --> 00:43:12,079
municipalities in Bruce County some

958
00:43:12,079 --> 00:43:14,079
reviewers of our plan have questioned

959
00:43:14,079 --> 00:43:16,640
how these areas will be regulated the

960
00:43:16,640 --> 00:43:19,680
development criteria here is to maintain

961
00:43:19,680 --> 00:43:22,119
recharge function by avoiding or

962
00:43:22,119 --> 00:43:24,040
mitigating intensive development and

963
00:43:24,040 --> 00:43:27,119
large impervious areas so the criteria

964
00:43:27,119 --> 00:43:29,119
apply to intensive development and large

965
00:43:29,119 --> 00:43:31,599
impervious areas like a large shopping

966
00:43:31,599 --> 00:43:34,200
center of parking lot for example for

967
00:43:34,200 --> 00:43:35,839
development at this scale minimum

968
00:43:35,839 --> 00:43:37,680
landscaped open space requirements and

969
00:43:37,680 --> 00:43:39,200
good storm water management could be

970
00:43:39,200 --> 00:43:41,559
used to address this requirement the

971
00:43:41,559 --> 00:43:43,160
policies in the draft plan do not

972
00:43:43,160 --> 00:43:44,640
address manure spreading which is

973
00:43:44,640 --> 00:43:46,480
regulated under the nutrient management

974
00:43:46,480 --> 00:43:48,720
act we appreciate there may be some

975
00:43:48,720 --> 00:43:50,440
concerns about the level of detail at

976
00:43:50,440 --> 00:43:52,000
which these maps are produced relative

977
00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:53,920
to the scale and Water Resource needs of

978
00:43:53,920 --> 00:43:55,839
settlement areas and we will examine

979
00:43:55,839 --> 00:43:57,760
this in further detail as we go through

980
00:43:57,760 --> 00:44:00,680
the engagement process so now I've

981
00:44:00,680 --> 00:44:03,920
concluded uh the tour of the schedules

982
00:44:03,920 --> 00:44:05,880
to the official plan and I wanted to

983
00:44:05,880 --> 00:44:11,280
move on to um cover our requests for

984
00:44:11,280 --> 00:44:13,680
boundary adjustments we have received

985
00:44:13,680 --> 00:44:15,520
various boundary adjustment requests as

986
00:44:15,520 --> 00:44:17,760
part of this process some from

987
00:44:17,760 --> 00:44:20,160
municipalities some from land owners and

988
00:44:20,160 --> 00:44:21,559
some have been identified as

989
00:44:21,559 --> 00:44:24,040
possibilities by staff we have bundled

990
00:44:24,040 --> 00:44:25,880
these requests into a package that's

991
00:44:25,880 --> 00:44:28,000
attached to your agenda

992
00:44:28,000 --> 00:44:30,400
um we are not yet providing a

993
00:44:30,400 --> 00:44:33,680
recommendation yes no or indifferent on

994
00:44:33,680 --> 00:44:36,440
the proposed boundary expansions what

995
00:44:36,440 --> 00:44:38,359
we're doing right now is collecting

996
00:44:38,359 --> 00:44:41,520
input from the public and municipalities

997
00:44:41,520 --> 00:44:44,079
on what their wishes are for the pro for

998
00:44:44,079 --> 00:44:46,880
the recommend not recommended requested

999
00:44:46,880 --> 00:44:49,760
boundary expansions we anticipate that

1000
00:44:49,760 --> 00:44:51,400
through the public engagement process

1001
00:44:51,400 --> 00:44:53,040
that is going on right now we might

1002
00:44:53,040 --> 00:44:56,520
receive some additional requests um

1003
00:44:56,520 --> 00:44:58,599
during this this phase we will consult

1004
00:44:58,599 --> 00:45:00,960
with the associated local municipalities

1005
00:45:00,960 --> 00:45:03,839
that have requests in their areas review

1006
00:45:03,839 --> 00:45:06,200
and assess the request based on a set of

1007
00:45:06,200 --> 00:45:08,119
criteria that's outlined in the draft

1008
00:45:08,119 --> 00:45:10,480
new official plan and at the conclusion

1009
00:45:10,480 --> 00:45:12,319
of the public engagement process we will

1010
00:45:12,319 --> 00:45:13,599
be in a position to make a

1011
00:45:13,599 --> 00:45:15,119
recommendation on the requests that are

1012
00:45:15,119 --> 00:45:17,880
noted here um and others that may emerge

1013
00:45:17,880 --> 00:45:20,910
through the engagement

1014
00:45:20,920 --> 00:45:24,480
process uh the next uh slide in our

1015
00:45:24,480 --> 00:45:27,599
presentation is uh some highlights

1016
00:45:27,599 --> 00:45:31,839
from the official plan text so the bulk

1017
00:45:31,839 --> 00:45:33,800
of our review of the official plan was

1018
00:45:33,800 --> 00:45:36,240
based on a tour of the mapping schedules

1019
00:45:36,240 --> 00:45:38,520
and Maps do tell a really good story

1020
00:45:38,520 --> 00:45:40,079
about what's proposed for the new

1021
00:45:40,079 --> 00:45:42,720
official plan but some things from the

1022
00:45:42,720 --> 00:45:45,079
text that maybe didn't come across in

1023
00:45:45,079 --> 00:45:49,880
the um tour of the schedules Bruce

1024
00:45:49,880 --> 00:45:51,800
County Council recently endorsed an

1025
00:45:51,800 --> 00:45:53,960
indigenous reconciliation framework and

1026
00:45:53,960 --> 00:45:56,359
sing and a schnek Reconciliation pathway

1027
00:45:56,359 --> 00:45:59,079
and action plan Plan Building on this

1028
00:45:59,079 --> 00:46:00,960
the draft plan centers Bruce County

1029
00:46:00,960 --> 00:46:03,319
within the son traditional territory and

1030
00:46:03,319 --> 00:46:05,119
builds on the work of the implementation

1031
00:46:05,119 --> 00:46:07,000
amendment to update indigenous

1032
00:46:07,000 --> 00:46:09,520
consultation policies to highlight areas

1033
00:46:09,520 --> 00:46:12,280
of crit critical interest to sa

1034
00:46:12,280 --> 00:46:14,280
including environmental impacts and

1035
00:46:14,280 --> 00:46:16,559
especially Shoreline hardening as having

1036
00:46:16,559 --> 00:46:18,640
potential to impact son interests in

1037
00:46:18,640 --> 00:46:22,079
fish and water um water and fish

1038
00:46:22,079 --> 00:46:24,599
habitat the draft plan has a strong

1039
00:46:24,599 --> 00:46:27,280
housing focus and maintains minimum

1040
00:46:27,280 --> 00:46:29,440
density requirements supports a range

1041
00:46:29,440 --> 00:46:32,240
and mix of housing supports as of right

1042
00:46:32,240 --> 00:46:34,480
additional dwelling units where possible

1043
00:46:34,480 --> 00:46:37,280
and identifies affordability targets the

1044
00:46:37,280 --> 00:46:39,480
plan also recognizes that the housing

1045
00:46:39,480 --> 00:46:41,480
action plan and housing and homelessness

1046
00:46:41,480 --> 00:46:44,160
plans provide higher levels of detail to

1047
00:46:44,160 --> 00:46:46,440
support action to increase housing

1048
00:46:46,440 --> 00:46:49,119
Supply the draft plan incorporates the

1049
00:46:49,119 --> 00:46:51,280
growth management Amendment which has

1050
00:46:51,280 --> 00:46:53,119
now been approved by the province and

1051
00:46:53,119 --> 00:46:55,040
encourage appropriate encourages

1052
00:46:55,040 --> 00:46:57,800
appropriate intensification to make good

1053
00:46:57,800 --> 00:47:00,000
use of existing infrastructure in

1054
00:47:00,000 --> 00:47:01,680
settlement

1055
00:47:01,680 --> 00:47:05,160
areas the plan recognizes agriculture

1056
00:47:05,160 --> 00:47:08,240
tourism and energy as strategic economic

1057
00:47:08,240 --> 00:47:10,079
drivers and also supports the

1058
00:47:10,079 --> 00:47:12,359
diversification of the economic base

1059
00:47:12,359 --> 00:47:14,760
supports the master Transportation plan

1060
00:47:14,760 --> 00:47:16,839
and envisions complete communities in a

1061
00:47:16,839 --> 00:47:19,480
thriving region with easy access to

1062
00:47:19,480 --> 00:47:23,280
housing jobs Recreation and

1063
00:47:23,280 --> 00:47:25,079
services just going to make a few

1064
00:47:25,079 --> 00:47:26,680
remarks about the relationship between

1065
00:47:26,680 --> 00:47:29,760
the County plan and local plans the plan

1066
00:47:29,760 --> 00:47:32,520
recognizes a role as an upper tier plan

1067
00:47:32,520 --> 00:47:36,040
the county plan but it is also the plan

1068
00:47:36,040 --> 00:47:38,559
for local municipalities because in

1069
00:47:38,559 --> 00:47:40,400
seven out of eight of our local

1070
00:47:40,400 --> 00:47:43,319
municipalities it functions as the plan

1071
00:47:43,319 --> 00:47:44,760
in effect in the

1072
00:47:44,760 --> 00:47:48,160
countryside um those plans uh only focus

1073
00:47:48,160 --> 00:47:49,960
on the settlement area so there's a need

1074
00:47:49,960 --> 00:47:52,480
to provide planning direction for the

1075
00:47:52,480 --> 00:47:54,800
countryside the plan is trying to get

1076
00:47:54,800 --> 00:47:56,359
out of the business of requiring

1077
00:47:56,359 --> 00:47:58,960
frequent amendments right now the

1078
00:47:58,960 --> 00:48:00,839
current County official plan has well

1079
00:48:00,839 --> 00:48:02,400
over 300

1080
00:48:02,400 --> 00:48:05,040
amendments for example uh one of the

1081
00:48:05,040 --> 00:48:06,440
ways we're getting away from frequent

1082
00:48:06,440 --> 00:48:08,880
amendments is a county official plan

1083
00:48:08,880 --> 00:48:11,000
amendment is would no longer be required

1084
00:48:11,000 --> 00:48:13,640
to create a quarry or Gravel Pit in a

1085
00:48:13,640 --> 00:48:16,119
designated mineral resource area this

1086
00:48:16,119 --> 00:48:17,640
would still require a zoning bylaw

1087
00:48:17,640 --> 00:48:19,359
Amendment which is a local approval and

1088
00:48:19,359 --> 00:48:23,000
of of course the mnrf license the county

1089
00:48:23,000 --> 00:48:25,160
plan provides criteria where that the

1090
00:48:25,160 --> 00:48:27,960
local Council can use in reviewing the

1091
00:48:27,960 --> 00:48:30,040
zone change this approach is more

1092
00:48:30,040 --> 00:48:31,920
streamlined than requiring both a county

1093
00:48:31,920 --> 00:48:34,000
official plan Amendment and a local zone

1094
00:48:34,000 --> 00:48:36,559
change right now we have a county plan

1095
00:48:36,559 --> 00:48:39,440
and eight local plans County official

1096
00:48:39,440 --> 00:48:41,920
plan local plans all include plenty of

1097
00:48:41,920 --> 00:48:44,359
detailed in various areas what we're

1098
00:48:44,359 --> 00:48:46,280
aiming to do as a planning service is

1099
00:48:46,280 --> 00:48:48,480
streamline these documents to say things

1100
00:48:48,480 --> 00:48:51,000
once and say them well given that the

1101
00:48:51,000 --> 00:48:53,200
plan must provide detailed policies for

1102
00:48:53,200 --> 00:48:56,200
areas where local plans do not apply our

1103
00:48:56,200 --> 00:48:59,359
approach is to set up and give the

1104
00:48:59,359 --> 00:49:01,520
opportunity for local official plans to

1105
00:49:01,520 --> 00:49:03,760
have several options they could either

1106
00:49:03,760 --> 00:49:05,640
refer to the policies of the county

1107
00:49:05,640 --> 00:49:08,040
official plan rather than restate them

1108
00:49:08,040 --> 00:49:10,319
or they could restate them and have a

1109
00:49:10,319 --> 00:49:12,359
policy that permits an updating of that

1110
00:49:12,359 --> 00:49:15,319
restated policy when the county plan has

1111
00:49:15,319 --> 00:49:17,240
to change for some reason for example to

1112
00:49:17,240 --> 00:49:20,280
line up with provincial direction or

1113
00:49:20,280 --> 00:49:22,680
local plans can provide their own

1114
00:49:22,680 --> 00:49:24,680
policies provided that they do not

1115
00:49:24,680 --> 00:49:27,160
conflict with the county plan this

1116
00:49:27,160 --> 00:49:29,280
approach represents an opportunity going

1117
00:49:29,280 --> 00:49:31,040
forward for the collective bulk of our

1118
00:49:31,040 --> 00:49:34,040
planning documents to be reduced to make

1119
00:49:34,040 --> 00:49:36,079
work we do in planning more efficient

1120
00:49:36,079 --> 00:49:38,960
and focus on providing local contexts

1121
00:49:38,960 --> 00:49:42,710
where it makes

1122
00:49:42,720 --> 00:49:45,799
sense I wanted to um take a few moments

1123
00:49:45,799 --> 00:49:47,960
to talk about an issue that we've been

1124
00:49:47,960 --> 00:49:50,240
uh working on drinking water protection

1125
00:49:50,240 --> 00:49:53,559
relative to permitting development on

1126
00:49:53,559 --> 00:49:58,920
private or um partial septic systems the

1127
00:49:58,920 --> 00:50:00,599
policy changes we have proposed for the

1128
00:50:00,599 --> 00:50:02,280
draft new official plan stem for our

1129
00:50:02,280 --> 00:50:03,920
effort to manage tensions between

1130
00:50:03,920 --> 00:50:06,200
development and groundwater protection

1131
00:50:06,200 --> 00:50:08,240
that exists due to regulatory gaps

1132
00:50:08,240 --> 00:50:09,720
between the planning function and the

1133
00:50:09,720 --> 00:50:12,319
building code function in consultation

1134
00:50:12,319 --> 00:50:15,240
with Chief Building officials countywide

1135
00:50:15,240 --> 00:50:17,640
we have broadly identified some areas

1136
00:50:17,640 --> 00:50:19,359
where the official plan could provide

1137
00:50:19,359 --> 00:50:21,880
appropriate flexibility for promoting

1138
00:50:21,880 --> 00:50:23,359
new development like additional

1139
00:50:23,359 --> 00:50:25,880
residential units even when development

1140
00:50:25,880 --> 00:50:28,559
is happening on private septic systems

1141
00:50:28,559 --> 00:50:30,440
County staff have engaged with officials

1142
00:50:30,440 --> 00:50:32,559
from The Province to understand the

1143
00:50:32,559 --> 00:50:34,319
ministry's expectation around the

1144
00:50:34,319 --> 00:50:37,119
interaction of these two policy areas

1145
00:50:37,119 --> 00:50:38,839
specifically how the building code

1146
00:50:38,839 --> 00:50:41,400
official plans and other legislation are

1147
00:50:41,400 --> 00:50:43,079
intended to interact to protect

1148
00:50:43,079 --> 00:50:45,760
groundwater and support Health at this

1149
00:50:45,760 --> 00:50:48,000
time we're at a point where the ministry

1150
00:50:48,000 --> 00:50:49,480
has acknowledged that they understand

1151
00:50:49,480 --> 00:50:51,440
these issues and are committed to

1152
00:50:51,440 --> 00:50:53,559
providing a

1153
00:50:53,559 --> 00:50:55,960
response we are now at the engagement

1154
00:50:55,960 --> 00:50:58,240
phase of our County official plan

1155
00:50:58,240 --> 00:51:00,839
project and the slide up here just shows

1156
00:51:00,839 --> 00:51:02,520
sort of um some of the immediate

1157
00:51:02,520 --> 00:51:05,319
timelines that we're within

1158
00:51:05,319 --> 00:51:09,000
um we have um just completed a week of

1159
00:51:09,000 --> 00:51:11,839
four open houses online engagement

1160
00:51:11,839 --> 00:51:13,760
opportunities continue on the plan the

1161
00:51:13,760 --> 00:51:16,400
Bruce website hard copies of the draft

1162
00:51:16,400 --> 00:51:18,079
new official plan and schedules are

1163
00:51:18,079 --> 00:51:19,680
available in the reference section at

1164
00:51:19,680 --> 00:51:21,839
local libraries and at our County

1165
00:51:21,839 --> 00:51:22,839
Planning

1166
00:51:22,839 --> 00:51:25,839
hubs we are looking for feedback to

1167
00:51:25,839 --> 00:51:28,640
support a return to Council in early

1168
00:51:28,640 --> 00:51:31,680
November on the boundary adjustments and

1169
00:51:31,680 --> 00:51:34,720
engagement themes um that may result in

1170
00:51:34,720 --> 00:51:37,359
in tweaks and changes to the plan before

1171
00:51:37,359 --> 00:51:39,119
we get to council County council's

1172
00:51:39,119 --> 00:51:41,000
direction to proceed to a statutory

1173
00:51:41,000 --> 00:51:42,920
openhouse and public

1174
00:51:42,920 --> 00:51:46,319
meeting um if there are significant

1175
00:51:46,319 --> 00:51:49,720
changes required to um based on the

1176
00:51:49,720 --> 00:51:51,400
feedback that we've been receiving then

1177
00:51:51,400 --> 00:51:53,160
the timeline that I just had up will may

1178
00:51:53,160 --> 00:51:55,920
need to change um this concludes my

1179
00:51:55,920 --> 00:51:57,160
presentation

1180
00:51:57,160 --> 00:51:59,520
and uh we are happy to receive questions

1181
00:51:59,520 --> 00:52:01,559
from

1182
00:52:01,559 --> 00:52:04,599
Council thank you Monica thank you Jack

1183
00:52:04,599 --> 00:52:06,359
you were well spoken tonight as well

1184
00:52:06,359 --> 00:52:09,599
good for you uh any questions from uh

1185
00:52:09,599 --> 00:52:11,960
Council regarding the report uh

1186
00:52:11,960 --> 00:52:14,520
councelor T off gr please thank you

1187
00:52:14,520 --> 00:52:16,520
through you chair um I just have one

1188
00:52:16,520 --> 00:52:17,920
question I was watching the maps where

1189
00:52:17,920 --> 00:52:19,960
you're showing the differences between

1190
00:52:19,960 --> 00:52:22,240
our current state and the draft and it

1191
00:52:22,240 --> 00:52:23,640
seemed like we were trying to do a

1192
00:52:23,640 --> 00:52:25,839
better job of defining those Heritage

1193
00:52:25,839 --> 00:52:28,680
resources um like water significant

1194
00:52:28,680 --> 00:52:31,599
areas where one of the things I've

1195
00:52:31,599 --> 00:52:33,839
noticed since coming to council is a lot

1196
00:52:33,839 --> 00:52:36,000
of times we'll approve things but many

1197
00:52:36,000 --> 00:52:37,880
years go by and we haven't done anything

1198
00:52:37,880 --> 00:52:40,240
with them so if any of those approvals

1199
00:52:40,240 --> 00:52:42,319
that have gone through are contradictory

1200
00:52:42,319 --> 00:52:43,839
to what we're doing now in the official

1201
00:52:43,839 --> 00:52:46,200
plan would there be any retroactive

1202
00:52:46,200 --> 00:52:50,309
activities to try to bridge up that

1203
00:52:50,319 --> 00:52:53,319
zoning interesting thought so um through

1204
00:52:53,319 --> 00:52:56,200
you Mr Mayor um I'm thinking that the

1205
00:52:56,200 --> 00:52:58,240
that the premise of the question is is

1206
00:52:58,240 --> 00:53:00,400
that there may have been an a county

1207
00:53:00,400 --> 00:53:02,640
official plan Amendment and right now

1208
00:53:02,640 --> 00:53:04,319
myself and staff are going through all

1209
00:53:04,319 --> 00:53:06,000
the previous County official plan

1210
00:53:06,000 --> 00:53:08,240
amendments and and determining whether

1211
00:53:08,240 --> 00:53:09,920
they need to stay in the new draft

1212
00:53:09,920 --> 00:53:12,559
because 300 or so amendments do

1213
00:53:12,559 --> 00:53:14,160
definitely bulk up the plan and we want

1214
00:53:14,160 --> 00:53:17,319
to keep it nice and streamlined um so

1215
00:53:17,319 --> 00:53:19,040
one of the it's interesting that you

1216
00:53:19,040 --> 00:53:21,160
note it that way because I've been kind

1217
00:53:21,160 --> 00:53:22,799
of looking at it on the other side of

1218
00:53:22,799 --> 00:53:24,680
the same coin is if there's a

1219
00:53:24,680 --> 00:53:26,480
development if there was somebody that

1220
00:53:26,480 --> 00:53:27,960
applied for a county official plan

1221
00:53:27,960 --> 00:53:30,040
Amendment and went through that process

1222
00:53:30,040 --> 00:53:32,720
to get an approval and the development

1223
00:53:32,720 --> 00:53:35,599
that they had um hadn't gone forward I

1224
00:53:35,599 --> 00:53:37,319
was taking more of a conservative

1225
00:53:37,319 --> 00:53:40,599
approach in my recommendation that those

1226
00:53:40,599 --> 00:53:42,760
changes might need to stay in the new

1227
00:53:42,760 --> 00:53:44,760
official plan but I like your

1228
00:53:44,760 --> 00:53:48,000
perspective um that they should also

1229
00:53:48,000 --> 00:53:51,720
those um those few that are proposed to

1230
00:53:51,720 --> 00:53:54,040
carry forward should also be looked at

1231
00:53:54,040 --> 00:53:56,680
through a lens of do they do they

1232
00:53:56,680 --> 00:53:58,599
continue to be consistent with the

1233
00:53:58,599 --> 00:54:01,480
proposed policies of the new um draft

1234
00:54:01,480 --> 00:54:04,040
official plan so I appreciate the

1235
00:54:04,040 --> 00:54:05,520
question because it's making me think of

1236
00:54:05,520 --> 00:54:08,559
a planning issue in a different way and

1237
00:54:08,559 --> 00:54:11,079
um I would say that the good news is is

1238
00:54:11,079 --> 00:54:14,520
that um so far we're only finding um a

1239
00:54:14,520 --> 00:54:17,000
handful of of amendments that would fall

1240
00:54:17,000 --> 00:54:18,680
into that category where the development

1241
00:54:18,680 --> 00:54:22,040
didn't go forward and now that you've um

1242
00:54:22,040 --> 00:54:24,079
given me that idea I think that it would

1243
00:54:24,079 --> 00:54:27,400
be feasible to look at them through that

1244
00:54:27,400 --> 00:54:29,079
lens and the approach that I would

1245
00:54:29,079 --> 00:54:31,760
probably take to that would be to work

1246
00:54:31,760 --> 00:54:34,160
with the senior planners for the um

1247
00:54:34,160 --> 00:54:36,680
effected jurisdiction so Peninsula Hub

1248
00:54:36,680 --> 00:54:40,880
planners or Lakeshore planners um and

1249
00:54:40,880 --> 00:54:43,079
and ask them to work with me to evaluate

1250
00:54:43,079 --> 00:54:44,400
that

1251
00:54:44,400 --> 00:54:48,119
question thank you that's a great

1252
00:54:48,119 --> 00:54:51,119
response Kavanagh please thank you very

1253
00:54:51,119 --> 00:54:52,440
much and and through the chair thank you

1254
00:54:52,440 --> 00:54:54,440
for your presentation uh I have a

1255
00:54:54,440 --> 00:54:56,720
question about the population project

1256
00:54:56,720 --> 00:54:58,319
you said that they were approved by the

1257
00:54:58,319 --> 00:55:01,079
province U my question is um do these

1258
00:55:01,079 --> 00:55:02,960
plans include consideration for the Mega

1259
00:55:02,960 --> 00:55:04,440
projects that are possibly coming

1260
00:55:04,440 --> 00:55:06,760
forward like Bruce C and King Carden or

1261
00:55:06,760 --> 00:55:09,240
uh the dgr in in South

1262
00:55:09,240 --> 00:55:12,200
Bruce thank you for the question uh so

1263
00:55:12,200 --> 00:55:14,520
the forecast that was prepared I just

1264
00:55:14,520 --> 00:55:16,000
did a lot more work on that so I was

1265
00:55:16,000 --> 00:55:18,559
really eager to jump in um the forecasts

1266
00:55:18,559 --> 00:55:20,079
that have been prepared do not include

1267
00:55:20,079 --> 00:55:22,680
those projects uh for which no decision

1268
00:55:22,680 --> 00:55:25,960
has been made uh so these forecasts are

1269
00:55:25,960 --> 00:55:29,319
set up up assuming um a set based on a

1270
00:55:29,319 --> 00:55:32,240
set of assumptions on what we know to be

1271
00:55:32,240 --> 00:55:34,839
the condition in the event of the

1272
00:55:34,839 --> 00:55:36,640
approval of one or both of those

1273
00:55:36,640 --> 00:55:39,559
projects there would be a need to reopen

1274
00:55:39,559 --> 00:55:41,839
or reexamine the growth forecasts for

1275
00:55:41,839 --> 00:55:43,880
the area and and we understand that

1276
00:55:43,880 --> 00:55:46,480
municipalities are working to try to

1277
00:55:46,480 --> 00:55:49,799
understand how those impacts might um or

1278
00:55:49,799 --> 00:55:51,359
how those projects might impact growth

1279
00:55:51,359 --> 00:55:53,640
forecasts and and that there might be a

1280
00:55:53,640 --> 00:55:55,599
presentation later on today's agenda in

1281
00:55:55,599 --> 00:55:59,710
that respect

1282
00:55:59,720 --> 00:56:01,079
thank you very much and and just as a

1283
00:56:01,079 --> 00:56:03,520
followup is that an intensive process to

1284
00:56:03,520 --> 00:56:04,920
get that population projection

1285
00:56:04,920 --> 00:56:06,640
reexamined or is it a fairly

1286
00:56:06,640 --> 00:56:08,200
straightforward process that would

1287
00:56:08,200 --> 00:56:10,680
happen hand inand with one or both of

1288
00:56:10,680 --> 00:56:12,240
the projects going

1289
00:56:12,240 --> 00:56:14,880
ahead Our Hope would be that there would

1290
00:56:14,880 --> 00:56:17,599
be a high level of coordination around

1291
00:56:17,599 --> 00:56:21,039
the um forecasting uh associated with

1292
00:56:21,039 --> 00:56:23,599
the growth um that could occur in in the

1293
00:56:23,599 --> 00:56:25,920
context of those projects thank you very

1294
00:56:25,920 --> 00:56:28,480
much councelor Stewart please thank you

1295
00:56:28,480 --> 00:56:29,880
through you chair this might take a

1296
00:56:29,880 --> 00:56:32,920
little while um I'm actually a counselor

1297
00:56:32,920 --> 00:56:36,079
in W to and that has a huge impact on

1298
00:56:36,079 --> 00:56:37,880
the maps and and what you're doing here

1299
00:56:37,880 --> 00:56:40,079
is fabulous I mean it really is I mean

1300
00:56:40,079 --> 00:56:41,720
it's taken a long time but I think

1301
00:56:41,720 --> 00:56:44,079
you're getting there um just a couple of

1302
00:56:44,079 --> 00:56:45,680
concerns I'm not going to take a lot of

1303
00:56:45,680 --> 00:56:47,520
time I know that Jack and I have a

1304
00:56:47,520 --> 00:56:49,079
separate meeting and everything a couple

1305
00:56:49,079 --> 00:56:51,559
of weeks away but uh I just want to

1306
00:56:51,559 --> 00:56:54,880
mention a couple of things um I I'm very

1307
00:56:54,880 --> 00:56:56,640
busy this week and with turkey and

1308
00:56:56,640 --> 00:56:59,039
people coming to visit me because uh as

1309
00:56:59,039 --> 00:57:01,359
you might not be aware War II has a lot

1310
00:57:01,359 --> 00:57:02,599
of seasonal

1311
00:57:02,599 --> 00:57:04,760
residentials and sometimes they feel

1312
00:57:04,760 --> 00:57:07,520
that we do planning without them but uh

1313
00:57:07,520 --> 00:57:09,079
they're more than welcome to come to my

1314
00:57:09,079 --> 00:57:10,640
place and I've been getting a lot of

1315
00:57:10,640 --> 00:57:12,880
phone calls as because that's just the

1316
00:57:12,880 --> 00:57:15,000
way it's going to be so we'll try to

1317
00:57:15,000 --> 00:57:17,680
make do and try to meet the schedule one

1318
00:57:17,680 --> 00:57:19,559
thing that came to clear to me is the

1319
00:57:19,559 --> 00:57:23,039
tiin T in we were hoping and we didn't

1320
00:57:23,039 --> 00:57:25,039
quite see it in the plan and Jack you

1321
00:57:25,039 --> 00:57:27,480
and I talked about it that Red Zone it's

1322
00:57:27,480 --> 00:57:30,720
called the pine tree trailer park and we

1323
00:57:30,720 --> 00:57:32,839
thought talking to the staff that that

1324
00:57:32,839 --> 00:57:35,280
was a little more than just an owner's

1325
00:57:35,280 --> 00:57:37,559
wish we thought it was maybe and and I

1326
00:57:37,559 --> 00:57:39,000
don't need an answer now I'm just trying

1327
00:57:39,000 --> 00:57:41,640
to say this is something because for the

1328
00:57:41,640 --> 00:57:44,400
council this is a real great opportunity

1329
00:57:44,400 --> 00:57:49,440
for us there could be 50 5050 to 60

1330
00:57:49,440 --> 00:57:53,079
affordable home sites so we're lot eager

1331
00:57:53,079 --> 00:57:55,760
to have this built into the Turon plant

1332
00:57:55,760 --> 00:57:57,400
they put the water and sewer the

1333
00:57:57,400 --> 00:57:59,480
infrastructure there it looks like part

1334
00:57:59,480 --> 00:58:01,559
of tiin so I'm hoping that we can work

1335
00:58:01,559 --> 00:58:03,359
it out and it becomes part of the

1336
00:58:03,359 --> 00:58:05,839
settlement of Tiber the other thing I

1337
00:58:05,839 --> 00:58:09,319
just wanted to talk about uh is the lake

1338
00:58:09,319 --> 00:58:12,920
shore uh we weren't aware in our plan in

1339
00:58:12,920 --> 00:58:16,319
22 that the uh it was actually secondary

1340
00:58:16,319 --> 00:58:20,280
urban community all along the lake shore

1341
00:58:20,280 --> 00:58:22,880
um I find it you know and people are

1342
00:58:22,880 --> 00:58:24,920
having some sort of problem because as a

1343
00:58:24,920 --> 00:58:28,039
secondary Urban sort of community you

1344
00:58:28,039 --> 00:58:29,920
expect all the infrastructure to be

1345
00:58:29,920 --> 00:58:33,119
there it's very limited the in the

1346
00:58:33,119 --> 00:58:35,160
infrastructure is very limited along

1347
00:58:35,160 --> 00:58:37,680
there and even the two projects that are

1348
00:58:37,680 --> 00:58:39,799
being proposed are are are having

1349
00:58:39,799 --> 00:58:42,319
problems it's it's not so much Community

1350
00:58:42,319 --> 00:58:44,039
it's we got to work better with the

1351
00:58:44,039 --> 00:58:46,319
community and the developers and really

1352
00:58:46,319 --> 00:58:47,960
understand that whole area and how to

1353
00:58:47,960 --> 00:58:50,480
develop it and it's going to take some

1354
00:58:50,480 --> 00:58:52,480
time for community and developers and

1355
00:58:52,480 --> 00:58:54,559
the planners to all come together on it

1356
00:58:54,559 --> 00:58:56,440
so that's going to be a a little bit

1357
00:58:56,440 --> 00:58:58,480
longer but you can see from your maps in

1358
00:58:58,480 --> 00:59:00,160
your interactive maps I hope they're

1359
00:59:00,160 --> 00:59:02,760
available pretty soon for us whether we

1360
00:59:02,760 --> 00:59:04,000
need the computer because they're

1361
00:59:04,000 --> 00:59:06,200
excellent but we see a lot of the

1362
00:59:06,200 --> 00:59:08,599
natural heritage in that area we see a

1363
00:59:08,599 --> 00:59:10,559
lot of yellow which is basically the

1364
00:59:10,559 --> 00:59:12,760
water generation it it's it's a

1365
00:59:12,760 --> 00:59:14,240
challenge when you start to develop

1366
00:59:14,240 --> 00:59:17,119
along that strip so uh we will be

1367
00:59:17,119 --> 00:59:18,839
contining talking to you through the

1368
00:59:18,839 --> 00:59:20,839
community and through our course counsel

1369
00:59:20,839 --> 00:59:24,119
but thank you very much great

1370
00:59:24,119 --> 00:59:27,920
presentation Deputy Mayor please

1371
00:59:27,920 --> 00:59:29,680
thank you Mar through you thank you for

1372
00:59:29,680 --> 00:59:30,440
your

1373
00:59:30,440 --> 00:59:34,400
presentation I know one of the um issues

1374
00:59:34,400 --> 00:59:38,000
underlining was consultations and you've

1375
00:59:38,000 --> 00:59:39,960
identified that you're having open

1376
00:59:39,960 --> 00:59:43,400
houses in October November um I'm

1377
00:59:43,400 --> 00:59:45,799
pleased to see that you're you've listed

1378
00:59:45,799 --> 00:59:47,119
sort of the the various groups that

1379
00:59:47,119 --> 00:59:49,319
you're also engaging consultations with

1380
00:59:49,319 --> 00:59:51,119
I think from a a legal perspective one

1381
00:59:51,119 --> 00:59:52,760
of the biggest challenges is is lack of

1382
00:59:52,760 --> 00:59:54,839
consultation how's the engagement been

1383
00:59:54,839 --> 00:59:56,720
so far with regards to this

1384
00:59:56,720 --> 00:59:58,920
this thank you for the question uh

1385
00:59:58,920 --> 01:00:01,400
through you mayor Craig um we actually

1386
01:00:01,400 --> 01:00:02,880
were very pleased with the turnout that

1387
01:00:02,880 --> 01:00:06,520
we had at our open houses um typically

1388
01:00:06,520 --> 01:00:09,599
it's hard to get people interested in

1389
01:00:09,599 --> 01:00:12,319
official plan policy um in my experience

1390
01:00:12,319 --> 01:00:14,400
in my planning career you get folks out

1391
01:00:14,400 --> 01:00:18,000
for zoning bylaw uh uh comprehensive

1392
01:00:18,000 --> 01:00:20,200
reviews more so than you do for official

1393
01:00:20,200 --> 01:00:24,359
plans uh but we have been um pretty um

1394
01:00:24,359 --> 01:00:27,400
pretty proactive in promoting things on

1395
01:00:27,400 --> 01:00:30,240
social media um also through our all our

1396
01:00:30,240 --> 01:00:33,359
County platforms uh the plan the Bruce

1397
01:00:33,359 --> 01:00:37,440
website has been um a a tool for public

1398
01:00:37,440 --> 01:00:39,839
engagement since the beginning uh years

1399
01:00:39,839 --> 01:00:43,240
of the project like the 2018 2019 time

1400
01:00:43,240 --> 01:00:45,839
period um and that's a resource that

1401
01:00:45,839 --> 01:00:48,079
some of the followers of our project

1402
01:00:48,079 --> 01:00:50,480
have um known that they can go back to

1403
01:00:50,480 --> 01:00:53,400
back to that to receive updates um but

1404
01:00:53,400 --> 01:00:56,480
in terms of like kind of organic um you

1405
01:00:56,480 --> 01:00:59,359
know citizen engagement at the open

1406
01:00:59,359 --> 01:01:01,359
houses I was personally very pleased

1407
01:01:01,359 --> 01:01:02,839
with the types of conversations that we

1408
01:01:02,839 --> 01:01:05,160
were able to have an example would be um

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01:01:05,160 --> 01:01:06,880
we partnered with the Bruce County

1410
01:01:06,880 --> 01:01:09,240
Federation of Agriculture to have an

1411
01:01:09,240 --> 01:01:11,880
open house before their AGM in Tera and

1412
01:01:11,880 --> 01:01:14,839
there were a number of uh Farmers that I

1413
01:01:14,839 --> 01:01:17,599
was able to speak to there and uh I had

1414
01:01:17,599 --> 01:01:20,440
a conversation with a couple and through

1415
01:01:20,440 --> 01:01:23,000
our discussions they learned that the

1416
01:01:23,000 --> 01:01:24,640
proposed designation on their property

1417
01:01:24,640 --> 01:01:26,240
would change from rural to Prime

1418
01:01:26,240 --> 01:01:28,640
Agricultural and so I talked to them

1419
01:01:28,640 --> 01:01:30,640
about how if they like were concerned

1420
01:01:30,640 --> 01:01:32,839
about that they could put comments in so

1421
01:01:32,839 --> 01:01:34,760
I think we are um having the

1422
01:01:34,760 --> 01:01:38,000
effectiveness um in in those types of

1423
01:01:38,000 --> 01:01:40,039
conversations of bringing the awareness

1424
01:01:40,039 --> 01:01:45,309
that we're looking for uh through public

1425
01:01:45,319 --> 01:01:48,160
engagement at the end of the day does

1426
01:01:48,160 --> 01:01:51,760
the updated official plan make our

1427
01:01:51,760 --> 01:01:55,279
planning uh and you know hopes for

1428
01:01:55,279 --> 01:01:57,920
future devel velopment more efficient

1429
01:01:57,920 --> 01:02:00,520
less efficient more challenging because

1430
01:02:00,520 --> 01:02:02,079
there's a lot more

1431
01:02:02,079 --> 01:02:05,920
detail uh how what is what happens to

1432
01:02:05,920 --> 01:02:08,079
planning staff at the county level are

1433
01:02:08,079 --> 01:02:12,160
they bogg down or they have a big knp

1434
01:02:12,160 --> 01:02:14,200
sock taking off their back which which

1435
01:02:14,200 --> 01:02:16,319
way does you do you see this

1436
01:02:16,319 --> 01:02:19,359
going so our Our Hope would be that uh

1437
01:02:19,359 --> 01:02:20,920
and our our the way that we've

1438
01:02:20,920 --> 01:02:22,720
structured this plan is that when

1439
01:02:22,720 --> 01:02:26,240
complete it will uh reduce the

1440
01:02:26,240 --> 01:02:28,000
application load particularly of joint

1441
01:02:28,000 --> 01:02:29,880
applications where we have a project and

1442
01:02:29,880 --> 01:02:31,839
we have to have a public meeting here

1443
01:02:31,839 --> 01:02:33,640
and a public meeting there uh and then

1444
01:02:33,640 --> 01:02:36,559
another thing to get it all approved and

1445
01:02:36,559 --> 01:02:38,400
trying to get those down to one

1446
01:02:38,400 --> 01:02:40,559
application um and there's a number of

1447
01:02:40,559 --> 01:02:42,400
areas where we've been we have been

1448
01:02:42,400 --> 01:02:44,720
working and you see that through all the

1449
01:02:44,720 --> 01:02:48,000
gray text in the plan already where

1450
01:02:48,000 --> 01:02:51,079
we've been cleaning up um policies that

1451
01:02:51,079 --> 01:02:55,839
were duplicative or um caused routine

1452
01:02:55,839 --> 01:02:57,559
routinely triggered applications that

1453
01:02:57,559 --> 01:03:00,119
were not there was no real planning

1454
01:03:00,119 --> 01:03:03,039
issue per se and so through that we've

1455
01:03:03,039 --> 01:03:04,559
actually reduced the number of

1456
01:03:04,559 --> 01:03:07,400
applications to amend the county plan as

1457
01:03:07,400 --> 01:03:10,880
it exists uh drastically and so we look

1458
01:03:10,880 --> 01:03:13,079
forward to concluding this project and

1459
01:03:13,079 --> 01:03:14,960
then starting to work with local

1460
01:03:14,960 --> 01:03:16,480
municipalities

1461
01:03:16,480 --> 01:03:19,400
on the version of that that we can do

1462
01:03:19,400 --> 01:03:22,720
with with you uh to also make your plans

1463
01:03:22,720 --> 01:03:25,000
as efficient as possible while making

1464
01:03:25,000 --> 01:03:27,279
sure that they're good plans and so we

1465
01:03:27,279 --> 01:03:28,960
put all the energy into writing good

1466
01:03:28,960 --> 01:03:32,470
policy as opposed to more

1467
01:03:32,480 --> 01:03:36,520
policy very good Jake Monica Jack thanks

1468
01:03:36,520 --> 01:03:38,640
so much for coming tonight talking all

1469
01:03:38,640 --> 01:03:40,960
things planning we we do appreciate it

1470
01:03:40,960 --> 01:03:44,440
it is uh way more exciting than uh than

1471
01:03:44,440 --> 01:03:46,279
what you give a credit for maybe so

1472
01:03:46,279 --> 01:03:47,960
thank

1473
01:03:47,960 --> 01:03:52,160
you all right uh moving on and and to

1474
01:03:52,160 --> 01:03:53,839
the bean family thank you so much for

1475
01:03:53,839 --> 01:03:55,359
being here like you're welcome to stay

1476
01:03:55,359 --> 01:03:58,359
if you want want but but but now here

1477
01:03:58,359 --> 01:04:01,039
you can you can uh put your head down

1478
01:04:01,039 --> 01:04:04,599
and sneak out the side door now

1479
01:04:04,599 --> 01:04:06,799
nobody uh so I'd like to

1480
01:04:06,799 --> 01:04:09,359
introduce uh Isabelle turot from the

1481
01:04:09,359 --> 01:04:11,599
impact assessment agency of

1482
01:04:11,599 --> 01:04:15,039
Canada and Doug Wy from the Canadian

1483
01:04:15,039 --> 01:04:17,640
nuclear safety commission who are here

1484
01:04:17,640 --> 01:04:21,039
this evening to uh make a presentation

1485
01:04:21,039 --> 01:04:25,480
regarding uh the uh proposed uh Bruce c

1486
01:04:25,480 --> 01:04:29,200
pro project so uh just to that to that

1487
01:04:29,200 --> 01:04:31,160
end I'd like to moover and second that

1488
01:04:31,160 --> 01:04:33,920
we received the presentation regarding

1489
01:04:33,920 --> 01:04:35,480
the Canadian nuclear safety commission

1490
01:04:35,480 --> 01:04:37,039
and the impact assessment agency of

1491
01:04:37,039 --> 01:04:39,319
Canada for information with respect to

1492
01:04:39,319 --> 01:04:42,400
the Bruce C project move by counselors

1493
01:04:42,400 --> 01:04:44,240
Kavanaugh and

1494
01:04:44,240 --> 01:04:47,960
hinchberger uh Isabelle Doug

1495
01:04:47,960 --> 01:04:50,960
welcome thank you um so my name is

1496
01:04:50,960 --> 01:04:53,160
Isabel suat I'm here on behalf of the

1497
01:04:53,160 --> 01:04:55,440
impact assessment agency of Canada I am

1498
01:04:55,440 --> 01:04:57,760
a M manager pardon me with the review

1499
01:04:57,760 --> 01:04:59,640
panel's division I'm here with my

1500
01:04:59,640 --> 01:05:02,480
colleague Doug Wy from the

1501
01:05:02,480 --> 01:05:04,880
CNC there my name is Doug Wy I'm an

1502
01:05:04,880 --> 01:05:06,400
environmental review just just a minute

1503
01:05:06,400 --> 01:05:08,440
before you go any further I'd like to

1504
01:05:08,440 --> 01:05:10,680
invite you up to sit at the the table

1505
01:05:10,680 --> 01:05:12,599
here where our planning staff made their

1506
01:05:12,599 --> 01:05:15,319
presentation the microphones are better

1507
01:05:15,319 --> 01:05:18,319
and uh it's just a long time to stand

1508
01:05:18,319 --> 01:05:21,549
there

1509
01:05:21,559 --> 01:05:33,750
so welcome to the inner Sanctum

1510
01:05:33,760 --> 01:05:35,400
perfect we appreciate that thanks mayor

1511
01:05:35,400 --> 01:05:37,839
thanks Council all right so we're here

1512
01:05:37,839 --> 01:05:39,520
to talk to you today about the

1513
01:05:39,520 --> 01:05:40,960
integrated sorry did you finish

1514
01:05:40,960 --> 01:05:43,760
introducing yourself earlier go

1515
01:05:43,760 --> 01:05:46,760
ahead I was saying Doug Doug Wy I'm an

1516
01:05:46,760 --> 01:05:48,160
environmental review officer with the

1517
01:05:48,160 --> 01:05:49,799
Canadian nuclear safety Commission in

1518
01:05:49,799 --> 01:05:53,470
the environmental review

1519
01:05:53,480 --> 01:05:55,359
division which one it is already there

1520
01:05:55,359 --> 01:05:57,920
we go they do have a a great team of uh

1521
01:05:57,920 --> 01:05:59,599
staff here with them as well so you

1522
01:05:59,599 --> 01:06:02,559
don't go sneaking out anybody so uh so

1523
01:06:02,559 --> 01:06:04,400
it's even though Doug and Isabelle are

1524
01:06:04,400 --> 01:06:07,440
presenting they come uh well supported

1525
01:06:07,440 --> 01:06:08,880
absolutely and we can turn to our

1526
01:06:08,880 --> 01:06:10,279
colleagues if there's any specific

1527
01:06:10,279 --> 01:06:13,200
questions uh through you um so we're

1528
01:06:13,200 --> 01:06:15,799
here today to talk about who we are what

1529
01:06:15,799 --> 01:06:19,240
we do we're also here to focus on uh

1530
01:06:19,240 --> 01:06:21,079
participation and consultation

1531
01:06:21,079 --> 01:06:23,240
opportunities as we have been informed

1532
01:06:23,240 --> 01:06:24,559
that that was the interest of the

1533
01:06:24,559 --> 01:06:26,680
council and also about the next steps

1534
01:06:26,680 --> 01:06:28,319
for this process so we each have a part

1535
01:06:28,319 --> 01:06:30,359
of the the presentation we'll try to

1536
01:06:30,359 --> 01:06:32,760
keep it simple and happy to go in detail

1537
01:06:32,760 --> 01:06:34,480
if there are any

1538
01:06:34,480 --> 01:06:36,799
questions the impact assessment agency

1539
01:06:36,799 --> 01:06:39,279
of Canada is mandated to conduct Federal

1540
01:06:39,279 --> 01:06:41,680
impact assessments impact assessments at

1541
01:06:41,680 --> 01:06:43,480
the federal Level under the impact

1542
01:06:43,480 --> 01:06:45,960
Assessment Act aimed to enhance positive

1543
01:06:45,960 --> 01:06:48,799
impacts of projects and to mitigate

1544
01:06:48,799 --> 01:06:51,400
adverse effects we could also coordinate

1545
01:06:51,400 --> 01:06:53,200
the consultation with indigenous peoples

1546
01:06:53,200 --> 01:06:54,960
for the whole of the federal government

1547
01:06:54,960 --> 01:06:56,160
in these process

1548
01:06:56,160 --> 01:06:59,079
cesses when it comes to designated Pro

1549
01:06:59,079 --> 01:07:00,799
sorry when it comes to designated

1550
01:07:00,799 --> 01:07:03,880
nuclear projects under our legislation

1551
01:07:03,880 --> 01:07:06,000
those have to be conducted as an

1552
01:07:06,000 --> 01:07:08,480
integrated assessment with the initial

1553
01:07:08,480 --> 01:07:10,799
license from the Canadian nuclear safety

1554
01:07:10,799 --> 01:07:13,440
commission so essentially should the

1555
01:07:13,440 --> 01:07:15,920
projects be approved the first licenses

1556
01:07:15,920 --> 01:07:18,200
that the proponents apply for would then

1557
01:07:18,200 --> 01:07:21,400
be um decided upon and issued to a

1558
01:07:21,400 --> 01:07:24,160
proponent so I will go in more detail

1559
01:07:24,160 --> 01:07:25,920
about what those integrated assess Ms

1560
01:07:25,920 --> 01:07:29,839
are about we are dividing our process in

1561
01:07:29,839 --> 01:07:31,799
five phases there's also the

1562
01:07:31,799 --> 01:07:33,599
pre-planning phase which is a little bit

1563
01:07:33,599 --> 01:07:35,359
of this indivisible phase at the

1564
01:07:35,359 --> 01:07:37,119
beginning where we get to know the

1565
01:07:37,119 --> 01:07:40,480
community we help proponents uh when it

1566
01:07:40,480 --> 01:07:42,119
comes to questions that they would have

1567
01:07:42,119 --> 01:07:44,440
about the process we also build

1568
01:07:44,440 --> 01:07:46,160
relationships with indigenous Nations

1569
01:07:46,160 --> 01:07:49,480
and communities and then um prepare for

1570
01:07:49,480 --> 01:07:51,760
the initial project description to come

1571
01:07:51,760 --> 01:07:55,520
in in this case of the Bruce Power

1572
01:07:55,520 --> 01:07:58,319
Brucey proposal uh was submitted to the

1573
01:07:58,319 --> 01:08:01,160
impact assessment agency in reviewed and

1574
01:08:01,160 --> 01:08:04,240
started the planning phase on August uh

1575
01:08:04,240 --> 01:08:06,039
12th

1576
01:08:06,039 --> 01:08:08,440
2024 so we are currently here and I'm

1577
01:08:08,440 --> 01:08:10,319
going to go in detail in each steps of

1578
01:08:10,319 --> 01:08:12,319
that phase and then I'll start to talk

1579
01:08:12,319 --> 01:08:13,520
about the next

1580
01:08:13,520 --> 01:08:16,719
ones so as I was saying we are currently

1581
01:08:16,719 --> 01:08:18,920
in the planning phase just at the

1582
01:08:18,920 --> 01:08:21,279
beginning so the agency received the

1583
01:08:21,279 --> 01:08:23,040
initial project description and has

1584
01:08:23,040 --> 01:08:26,000
accepted it posted it on its website we

1585
01:08:26,000 --> 01:08:28,719
immediately started a comment period is

1586
01:08:28,719 --> 01:08:31,319
usually about 30 days it is currently

1587
01:08:31,319 --> 01:08:33,319
suspended for additional engagement

1588
01:08:33,319 --> 01:08:36,040
opportunities we are uh in this comment

1589
01:08:36,040 --> 01:08:39,159
period currently until October 28th

1590
01:08:39,159 --> 01:08:41,359
after the comment period is done what

1591
01:08:41,359 --> 01:08:43,640
the agency will do in collaboration with

1592
01:08:43,640 --> 01:08:46,600
the cnsc is to issue the summary of the

1593
01:08:46,600 --> 01:08:48,920
issues that we heard during that comment

1594
01:08:48,920 --> 01:08:51,759
period to the proponent that summary of

1595
01:08:51,759 --> 01:08:53,759
issues requires a response from the

1596
01:08:53,759 --> 01:08:56,640
proponent and based on that response the

1597
01:08:56,640 --> 01:08:58,759
agency will determine whether or not an

1598
01:08:58,759 --> 01:09:00,880
impact assessment is required that

1599
01:09:00,880 --> 01:09:02,880
usually happens within the first 80 Days

1600
01:09:02,880 --> 01:09:05,880
of the comment period upon decision that

1601
01:09:05,880 --> 01:09:07,960
an impact assessment is required if that

1602
01:09:07,960 --> 01:09:10,560
is the case the agency in collaboration

1603
01:09:10,560 --> 01:09:12,440
with the cnsc for an integrated

1604
01:09:12,440 --> 01:09:15,199
assessment then moves on to drafting

1605
01:09:15,199 --> 01:09:17,839
impact statement guidelines as well as

1606
01:09:17,839 --> 01:09:19,960
four plans that are required in our

1607
01:09:19,960 --> 01:09:22,640
legislation the impact assess sorry the

1608
01:09:22,640 --> 01:09:24,560
impact statement guidelines really

1609
01:09:24,560 --> 01:09:27,480
contain all of the requirements both for

1610
01:09:27,480 --> 01:09:29,319
the impact Assessment Act and under the

1611
01:09:29,319 --> 01:09:32,279
nuclear safety and Control Act for uh

1612
01:09:32,279 --> 01:09:33,960
the information and studies that the

1613
01:09:33,960 --> 01:09:36,520
proponent is required to submit so that

1614
01:09:36,520 --> 01:09:38,880
will form what we call the impact

1615
01:09:38,880 --> 01:09:41,440
statement the four plans that are also

1616
01:09:41,440 --> 01:09:44,440
required as showed at the slide include

1617
01:09:44,440 --> 01:09:46,799
a public participation plan which

1618
01:09:46,799 --> 01:09:49,199
contains all of the uh participants

1619
01:09:49,199 --> 01:09:51,279
ident that we've identified all of the

1620
01:09:51,279 --> 01:09:53,839
public participation opportunities that

1621
01:09:53,839 --> 01:09:56,480
are provided and also timeline and a

1622
01:09:56,480 --> 01:09:58,960
timing for those opportunities so that

1623
01:09:58,960 --> 01:10:01,400
participants can effectively uh

1624
01:10:01,400 --> 01:10:04,120
contribute to um the assessment and be

1625
01:10:04,120 --> 01:10:06,920
heard there is a comment period right

1626
01:10:06,920 --> 01:10:09,960
after those drafts are done for uh

1627
01:10:09,960 --> 01:10:12,719
comments on the guidelines and mostly on

1628
01:10:12,719 --> 01:10:15,040
the public participation plan so we'll

1629
01:10:15,040 --> 01:10:17,120
go and seek comments on maybe where we

1630
01:10:17,120 --> 01:10:19,199
should go at what time of the day do

1631
01:10:19,199 --> 01:10:22,239
people want to uh be consulted in what

1632
01:10:22,239 --> 01:10:24,000
ways would be more effective to reach

1633
01:10:24,000 --> 01:10:27,199
people like in information at libraries

1634
01:10:27,199 --> 01:10:29,880
or any other means snail mail even is

1635
01:10:29,880 --> 01:10:30,920
something we

1636
01:10:30,920 --> 01:10:34,440
do um so the other plans that we do are

1637
01:10:34,440 --> 01:10:36,280
the in indigenous engagement and

1638
01:10:36,280 --> 01:10:38,840
partnership plan we also have to draft a

1639
01:10:38,840 --> 01:10:41,080
cooperation plan which outlines how we

1640
01:10:41,080 --> 01:10:43,000
will work with another jurisdiction in

1641
01:10:43,000 --> 01:10:45,520
this case the province of Ontario we

1642
01:10:45,520 --> 01:10:47,719
also have to draft the permanent plan to

1643
01:10:47,719 --> 01:10:50,040
make sure that it is transparent to all

1644
01:10:50,040 --> 01:10:53,840
what the proponents uh permits could be

1645
01:10:53,840 --> 01:10:55,920
and uh there is an option there to

1646
01:10:55,920 --> 01:10:57,640
provide that information as part of the

1647
01:10:57,640 --> 01:11:01,159
impact assessment process once the plans

1648
01:11:01,159 --> 01:11:03,880
are finalized as well as the guidelines

1649
01:11:03,880 --> 01:11:06,199
after the comment period the notice of

1650
01:11:06,199 --> 01:11:08,280
commencement is issued and we move into

1651
01:11:08,280 --> 01:11:11,080
the impact statement phase so I'll talk

1652
01:11:11,080 --> 01:11:13,600
about public participation for a moment

1653
01:11:13,600 --> 01:11:15,960
it's very uh important in our process

1654
01:11:15,960 --> 01:11:17,880
that we provide public participation

1655
01:11:17,880 --> 01:11:20,520
opportunities it is a Cornerstone of a

1656
01:11:20,520 --> 01:11:24,080
fair and transparent process so our goal

1657
01:11:24,080 --> 01:11:25,719
is that members of the public who wish

1658
01:11:25,719 --> 01:11:27,880
to participate have the opportunity to

1659
01:11:27,880 --> 01:11:29,679
do so that they're provided the

1660
01:11:29,679 --> 01:11:31,679
information and the support to enable

1661
01:11:31,679 --> 01:11:34,000
them to participate in an informed way

1662
01:11:34,000 --> 01:11:35,719
so that their input is considered as

1663
01:11:35,719 --> 01:11:37,199
part of the

1664
01:11:37,199 --> 01:11:39,880
process opportunities include commenting

1665
01:11:39,880 --> 01:11:41,760
via the Canadian impact assessment

1666
01:11:41,760 --> 01:11:45,120
registry we also come and do events like

1667
01:11:45,120 --> 01:11:47,000
this where we could talk to information

1668
01:11:47,000 --> 01:11:49,480
session open houses or other meetings by

1669
01:11:49,480 --> 01:11:52,199
organizations with an interest we have

1670
01:11:52,199 --> 01:11:54,800
video conferences online information

1671
01:11:54,800 --> 01:11:57,480
information sessions the cnsc often

1672
01:11:57,480 --> 01:12:01,360
hosts webinars as well and um at the in

1673
01:12:01,360 --> 01:12:03,800
the process the assessment phase pardon

1674
01:12:03,800 --> 01:12:05,719
me one of the key opportunities for

1675
01:12:05,719 --> 01:12:07,639
participation is a public hearing so

1676
01:12:07,639 --> 01:12:10,440
I'll talk a bit more about that later

1677
01:12:10,440 --> 01:12:12,360
the registry is also where people can

1678
01:12:12,360 --> 01:12:14,679
find all of the information it does

1679
01:12:14,679 --> 01:12:18,320
consist bless you it does consist of uh

1680
01:12:18,320 --> 01:12:22,280
the record of the assessment so um I

1681
01:12:22,280 --> 01:12:23,960
didn't necessarily explain that in in

1682
01:12:23,960 --> 01:12:25,840
detail yet but these assessments are

1683
01:12:25,840 --> 01:12:28,159
referred to an independent revieww panel

1684
01:12:28,159 --> 01:12:32,040
a panel uh is a uh quasi judicial

1685
01:12:32,040 --> 01:12:34,320
administrative tribunal they look at a

1686
01:12:34,320 --> 01:12:36,280
record for their assessment so the

1687
01:12:36,280 --> 01:12:38,880
registry essentially consists of the

1688
01:12:38,880 --> 01:12:41,520
record for the assessment so in that

1689
01:12:41,520 --> 01:12:43,520
record you can find comments from

1690
01:12:43,520 --> 01:12:45,840
participants you can look at information

1691
01:12:45,840 --> 01:12:47,800
about the project you can look at active

1692
01:12:47,800 --> 01:12:50,000
notices

1693
01:12:50,000 --> 01:12:52,760
Etc we also have a participant funding

1694
01:12:52,760 --> 01:12:55,199
program which helps uh funding

1695
01:12:55,199 --> 01:12:57,120
recipients prepare and participate in

1696
01:12:57,120 --> 01:12:59,239
key stages of the assessment it can

1697
01:12:59,239 --> 01:13:01,560
cover several different kinds of fees

1698
01:13:01,560 --> 01:13:03,520
all of that information is available via

1699
01:13:03,520 --> 01:13:06,760
our website what uh the types of people

1700
01:13:06,760 --> 01:13:10,080
that are eligible for these processes

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01:13:10,080 --> 01:13:12,320
include individuals Incorporated

1702
01:13:12,320 --> 01:13:14,120
non-for-profit organizations and

1703
01:13:14,120 --> 01:13:16,320
Indigenous groups uh the slide here

1704
01:13:16,320 --> 01:13:18,600
contains information on how to apply and

1705
01:13:18,600 --> 01:13:20,639
certain examples of eligibility

1706
01:13:20,639 --> 01:13:23,400
requirements which are uh as general as

1707
01:13:23,400 --> 01:13:25,120
having knowledge relevant to the assess

1708
01:13:25,120 --> 01:13:27,000
assessment having expertise on the

1709
01:13:27,000 --> 01:13:29,239
Project's potential impacts and having

1710
01:13:29,239 --> 01:13:31,719
it just an interest in um the potential

1711
01:13:31,719 --> 01:13:34,080
impacts of the

1712
01:13:34,080 --> 01:13:36,400
project so I already spoke a lot in

1713
01:13:36,400 --> 01:13:38,239
detail about the planning phase so the

1714
01:13:38,239 --> 01:13:40,159
planning phase really is what it stands

1715
01:13:40,159 --> 01:13:42,719
for planning uh the outcome of the

1716
01:13:42,719 --> 01:13:45,159
planning phase are those guidelines that

1717
01:13:45,159 --> 01:13:47,760
I mentioned that is a very substantial

1718
01:13:47,760 --> 01:13:50,199
detailed document there is currently a

1719
01:13:50,199 --> 01:13:52,840
generic uh example on our website when I

1720
01:13:52,840 --> 01:13:54,639
mean generic I mean applicable to all

1721
01:13:54,639 --> 01:13:57,639
sectors not not not just nuclear given

1722
01:13:57,639 --> 01:14:00,000
that we look at other uh sectors in

1723
01:14:00,000 --> 01:14:03,920
Canada um and the four plans once that

1724
01:14:03,920 --> 01:14:07,040
phase uh ends so as I was saying as you

1725
01:14:07,040 --> 01:14:09,960
saw earlier it is a legislative timeline

1726
01:14:09,960 --> 01:14:13,639
of 180 days we then move to the study

1727
01:14:13,639 --> 01:14:15,800
phase so that's the impact statement

1728
01:14:15,800 --> 01:14:17,760
phase that is the time that the

1729
01:14:17,760 --> 01:14:19,800
proponent takes to provide all of the

1730
01:14:19,800 --> 01:14:21,719
information and studies that are

1731
01:14:21,719 --> 01:14:24,480
required in the guidelines it is also a

1732
01:14:24,480 --> 01:14:26,760
phase where the agency with the cnsc

1733
01:14:26,760 --> 01:14:29,280
will draft the terms of reference for

1734
01:14:29,280 --> 01:14:31,440
the panel that will conduct the

1735
01:14:31,440 --> 01:14:34,040
assessment once the agency and the CNC

1736
01:14:34,040 --> 01:14:35,440
have determined that all of the

1737
01:14:35,440 --> 01:14:36,840
information and Studies have been

1738
01:14:36,840 --> 01:14:39,239
provided as part of the impact statement

1739
01:14:39,239 --> 01:14:41,120
we then move to the next phase which is

1740
01:14:41,120 --> 01:14:43,639
the third phase however before that

1741
01:14:43,639 --> 01:14:46,880
happens the agency and the CNC will

1742
01:14:46,880 --> 01:14:49,520
consider uh comments from indigenous

1743
01:14:49,520 --> 01:14:52,199
groups the public and all experts on the

1744
01:14:52,199 --> 01:14:54,440
impact statements so that phase also

1745
01:14:54,440 --> 01:14:57,320
contains a major um public participation

1746
01:14:57,320 --> 01:14:59,840
opportunity for a period and comments on

1747
01:14:59,840 --> 01:15:02,120
the impact statement should the agency

1748
01:15:02,120 --> 01:15:03,719
and the CNC find that there are

1749
01:15:03,719 --> 01:15:06,239
deficiencies in the impact statement it

1750
01:15:06,239 --> 01:15:08,320
can ask we can ask for further questions

1751
01:15:08,320 --> 01:15:11,000
of the proponent or other experts to

1752
01:15:11,000 --> 01:15:13,159
supplement the impact statement should

1753
01:15:13,159 --> 01:15:14,800
that be the case additional comment

1754
01:15:14,800 --> 01:15:18,480
periods could occur on additional

1755
01:15:18,480 --> 01:15:21,400
information once the agency is satisfied

1756
01:15:21,400 --> 01:15:23,760
that everything has been provided then

1757
01:15:23,760 --> 01:15:25,600
the review panel has establish lished

1758
01:15:25,600 --> 01:15:28,000
that review panel is integrated which

1759
01:15:28,000 --> 01:15:30,000
means that it will look at both the

1760
01:15:30,000 --> 01:15:31,920
requirements under the impact Assessment

1761
01:15:31,920 --> 01:15:35,120
Act and the um nuclear safety and

1762
01:15:35,120 --> 01:15:38,520
Control Act in the case of Bruce Power

1763
01:15:38,520 --> 01:15:40,520
we anticipate that the license to

1764
01:15:40,520 --> 01:15:42,280
prepare site is the only is the

1765
01:15:42,280 --> 01:15:44,840
application that is integrated so the

1766
01:15:44,840 --> 01:15:46,679
panel would look at that as well and

1767
01:15:46,679 --> 01:15:49,679
recommend conditions to the government

1768
01:15:49,679 --> 01:15:51,760
if that approval went

1769
01:15:51,760 --> 01:15:55,560
forward the panel will hold also comment

1770
01:15:55,560 --> 01:15:58,000
periods on their public participation

1771
01:15:58,000 --> 01:16:00,880
sorry their public hearing procedures so

1772
01:16:00,880 --> 01:16:02,639
you would hear from the panel how they

1773
01:16:02,639 --> 01:16:04,719
intend to conduct their hearing when it

1774
01:16:04,719 --> 01:16:07,480
should be how participants can register

1775
01:16:07,480 --> 01:16:09,600
and that is something that there is uh

1776
01:16:09,600 --> 01:16:12,120
an opportunity to comment on there is

1777
01:16:12,120 --> 01:16:14,159
also the opportunity at that time to

1778
01:16:14,159 --> 01:16:15,960
participate and contribute via

1779
01:16:15,960 --> 01:16:18,280
participation in the hearings which mean

1780
01:16:18,280 --> 01:16:20,480
preparing presentations or written

1781
01:16:20,480 --> 01:16:22,920
submissions and including participating

1782
01:16:22,920 --> 01:16:23,920
in

1783
01:16:23,920 --> 01:16:26,600
person once the panel holds their

1784
01:16:26,600 --> 01:16:29,120
hearings they then write their report

1785
01:16:29,120 --> 01:16:31,280
once the report is written and submitted

1786
01:16:31,280 --> 01:16:34,239
to the minister then the agency and the

1787
01:16:34,239 --> 01:16:38,719
cnsc do a little phase B of number three

1788
01:16:38,719 --> 01:16:41,199
on my slide which essentially allows

1789
01:16:41,199 --> 01:16:43,719
them to make recommendations on the

1790
01:16:43,719 --> 01:16:45,920
conditions that the panel has

1791
01:16:45,920 --> 01:16:49,199
recommended once that happens then the

1792
01:16:49,199 --> 01:16:51,320
decision goes up to the governor and

1793
01:16:51,320 --> 01:16:53,480
Council which is a fancy way for saying

1794
01:16:53,480 --> 01:16:55,679
the federal cabinet of minister

1795
01:16:55,679 --> 01:16:57,480
so the federal cabinet of ministers

1796
01:16:57,480 --> 01:16:59,199
makes the determination of whether or

1797
01:16:59,199 --> 01:17:01,080
not the public uh sorry the project is

1798
01:17:01,080 --> 01:17:02,960
in the public interest based on

1799
01:17:02,960 --> 01:17:05,280
conditions our based on the factors in

1800
01:17:05,280 --> 01:17:09,280
our legislation if yes then the decision

1801
01:17:09,280 --> 01:17:11,600
statement is issued and the conditions

1802
01:17:11,600 --> 01:17:13,880
for the project are also issued most of

1803
01:17:13,880 --> 01:17:16,560
it which would go in the license by The

1804
01:17:16,560 --> 01:17:18,719
cnsc Who is then the life cycle

1805
01:17:18,719 --> 01:17:20,520
regulator and takes over the role for

1806
01:17:20,520 --> 01:17:22,440
the federal government for the whole

1807
01:17:22,440 --> 01:17:24,639
project and Doug will talk about more uh

1808
01:17:24,639 --> 01:17:27,840
about that more after I'm through uh if

1809
01:17:27,840 --> 01:17:30,960
no then the uh impact the state sorry

1810
01:17:30,960 --> 01:17:33,400
the impact assessment decision is posted

1811
01:17:33,400 --> 01:17:35,760
with the reasons for the

1812
01:17:35,760 --> 01:17:38,440
decision phase five should a project be

1813
01:17:38,440 --> 01:17:41,400
approved then the proponent can go into

1814
01:17:41,400 --> 01:17:43,560
activities such as in this case license

1815
01:17:43,560 --> 01:17:46,600
to prepare site um and though in terms

1816
01:17:46,600 --> 01:17:49,159
of the cnsc that actually is does not

1817
01:17:49,159 --> 01:17:50,920
lead directly to construction there are

1818
01:17:50,920 --> 01:17:52,440
additional licenses that need to be

1819
01:17:52,440 --> 01:17:53,520
applied

1820
01:17:53,520 --> 01:17:57,400
for so to recap what I was um what I

1821
01:17:57,400 --> 01:17:59,639
said earlier the key opportunities for

1822
01:17:59,639 --> 01:18:02,520
participation that uh are upcoming well

1823
01:18:02,520 --> 01:18:04,679
currently it is on the initial project

1824
01:18:04,679 --> 01:18:06,920
description the next major comment

1825
01:18:06,920 --> 01:18:09,080
period and opportunity to participate

1826
01:18:09,080 --> 01:18:11,320
will focus on the tailored impact

1827
01:18:11,320 --> 01:18:13,400
statement guidelines and the public

1828
01:18:13,400 --> 01:18:15,840
participation plan in the impact

1829
01:18:15,840 --> 01:18:17,960
statement phase uh there will be an

1830
01:18:17,960 --> 01:18:20,080
opportunity to review the impact

1831
01:18:20,080 --> 01:18:22,840
statement and uh the review panel uh

1832
01:18:22,840 --> 01:18:27,199
terms of reference one the um impact uh

1833
01:18:27,199 --> 01:18:29,480
statement is deemed to meet all of the

1834
01:18:29,480 --> 01:18:32,280
requirements for information and studies

1835
01:18:32,280 --> 01:18:34,840
relevant to the project the panel will

1836
01:18:34,840 --> 01:18:37,440
then start its work and will review uh

1837
01:18:37,440 --> 01:18:39,400
will uh seek sub missions from the

1838
01:18:39,400 --> 01:18:43,040
public and hear presentations to the

1839
01:18:43,040 --> 01:18:46,600
panel over important dates to remember

1840
01:18:46,600 --> 01:18:48,040
the current comment public comment

1841
01:18:48,040 --> 01:18:50,480
period ends on October 28th we

1842
01:18:50,480 --> 01:18:52,840
anticipate so these are tentative dates

1843
01:18:52,840 --> 01:18:55,199
that within our schedule the summary of

1844
01:18:55,199 --> 01:18:57,320
issues of the proponent would be issued

1845
01:18:57,320 --> 01:19:00,120
on November 7th We could decide that

1846
01:19:00,120 --> 01:19:01,880
whether or not an impact assessment is

1847
01:19:01,880 --> 01:19:04,719
required by December 13th we anticipate

1848
01:19:04,719 --> 01:19:06,600
the comment period on the draft tailored

1849
01:19:06,600 --> 01:19:08,440
impact statement guidelines and plans

1850
01:19:08,440 --> 01:19:10,719
would occur in Winter

1851
01:19:10,719 --> 01:19:13,159
2025 and the end of the planning phase

1852
01:19:13,159 --> 01:19:16,520
would be around spring of 2025 so again

1853
01:19:16,520 --> 01:19:18,840
these are tentative dates we will uh

1854
01:19:18,840 --> 01:19:21,080
there are external factors not always in

1855
01:19:21,080 --> 01:19:23,120
our control but all in all the

1856
01:19:23,120 --> 01:19:25,600
legislative timeline is in 80 Days that

1857
01:19:25,600 --> 01:19:27,000
does not

1858
01:19:27,000 --> 01:19:29,080
change over to you

1859
01:19:29,080 --> 01:19:32,000
D thank you Isabelle just just if I may

1860
01:19:32,000 --> 01:19:34,880
interject is it appropriate

1861
01:19:34,880 --> 01:19:38,400
to uh ask if Council has questions of

1862
01:19:38,400 --> 01:19:42,600
yourself uh miss turot or whether uh Mr

1863
01:19:42,600 --> 01:19:45,360
wy's presentation rounds it out like

1864
01:19:45,360 --> 01:19:48,719
it's there's you've uh given us a lot of

1865
01:19:48,719 --> 01:19:51,719
information uh spurred on questions but

1866
01:19:51,719 --> 01:19:54,159
I like I If you need both Hales to make

1867
01:19:54,159 --> 01:19:56,520
this Pres presentation complete so I'm

1868
01:19:56,520 --> 01:19:58,159
not sure if Doug will be answering

1869
01:19:58,159 --> 01:20:00,280
questions that that you might have

1870
01:20:00,280 --> 01:20:02,159
presented what is your preference here

1871
01:20:02,159 --> 01:20:03,679
I'm going to I'm gonna offer you the

1872
01:20:03,679 --> 01:20:06,679
opportunity to to do that which would

1873
01:20:06,679 --> 01:20:08,800
you like uh I think I would like my

1874
01:20:08,800 --> 01:20:10,719
colleague to continue just because he

1875
01:20:10,719 --> 01:20:12,199
will give the full picture of what the

1876
01:20:12,199 --> 01:20:14,639
cnc's expertise is especially the

1877
01:20:14,639 --> 01:20:16,840
process after the decision is made

1878
01:20:16,840 --> 01:20:19,679
should the project proceed okay Mr Wy

1879
01:20:19,679 --> 01:20:22,280
please the question thank you through

1880
01:20:22,280 --> 01:20:26,040
you mayor Craig so I am going to give a

1881
01:20:26,040 --> 01:20:28,199
broad overview of the CNC and our role

1882
01:20:28,199 --> 01:20:29,960
after the impact assessment has

1883
01:20:29,960 --> 01:20:32,880
concluded so uh I will also add that I

1884
01:20:32,880 --> 01:20:34,760
am remiss if I don't say it but I am

1885
01:20:34,760 --> 01:20:36,840
joined here by colleagues uh Jeff

1886
01:20:36,840 --> 01:20:38,560
Stevenson who is the site inspector at

1887
01:20:38,560 --> 01:20:40,239
Bruce uh Power Nuclear Generating

1888
01:20:40,239 --> 01:20:42,679
Station and Samuel jabby who is the

1889
01:20:42,679 --> 01:20:44,560
licensing lead for the Bruce SE project

1890
01:20:44,560 --> 01:20:46,520
alongside myself who is leading the

1891
01:20:46,520 --> 01:20:48,560
coordination of our integration with the

1892
01:20:48,560 --> 01:20:52,709
impact assessment agency of

1893
01:20:52,719 --> 01:20:56,880
Canada so that that leaves one uh One

1894
01:20:56,880 --> 01:20:59,840
support staff at the back uh can can you

1895
01:20:59,840 --> 01:21:01,280
introduce her please Isabelle we don't

1896
01:21:01,280 --> 01:21:03,679
want to leave anybody out here yes I'm

1897
01:21:03,679 --> 01:21:06,600
joined here by my colleague Mar CLA who

1898
01:21:06,600 --> 01:21:08,760
works with the review panel division as

1899
01:21:08,760 --> 01:21:11,800
well so thanks

1900
01:21:11,800 --> 01:21:15,080
much thank you threw you a c curveball

1901
01:21:15,080 --> 01:21:18,360
there uh so this slide really is an

1902
01:21:18,360 --> 01:21:21,239
introduction to the CN it it uh speaks

1903
01:21:21,239 --> 01:21:24,120
to our three pillars of the cn's Mandate

1904
01:21:24,120 --> 01:21:26,440
and all try to limit my use of acronyms

1905
01:21:26,440 --> 01:21:28,560
apologies there but Canadian nuclear

1906
01:21:28,560 --> 01:21:30,480
safety commission so it is based on the

1907
01:21:30,480 --> 01:21:32,840
regulation of the nuclear industry to

1908
01:21:32,840 --> 01:21:35,880
protect the people and the environment

1909
01:21:35,880 --> 01:21:37,760
uh also to implement the peaceful use of

1910
01:21:37,760 --> 01:21:40,040
nuclear energy in Canada and to

1911
01:21:40,040 --> 01:21:41,880
disseminate objective scientific and

1912
01:21:41,880 --> 01:21:44,629
regulatory

1913
01:21:44,639 --> 01:21:47,600
information uh the cnc's commission is a

1914
01:21:47,600 --> 01:21:50,960
quaja Judicial tribunal of experts and

1915
01:21:50,960 --> 01:21:54,040
uh complemented by C staff who support

1916
01:21:54,040 --> 01:21:56,560
the commission and conduct regulatory

1917
01:21:56,560 --> 01:22:03,550
pardon me regulatory oversight

1918
01:22:03,560 --> 01:22:06,199
activities as previously mentioned we

1919
01:22:06,199 --> 01:22:07,560
are the life cycle regulator of the

1920
01:22:07,560 --> 01:22:09,639
nuclear industry in Canada so that is

1921
01:22:09,639 --> 01:22:11,560
the all the different areas of

1922
01:22:11,560 --> 01:22:14,000
Regulation uh and essentially those

1923
01:22:14,000 --> 01:22:16,320
commercial uses of nuclear energy also

1924
01:22:16,320 --> 01:22:18,880
the industrial and medical uh

1925
01:22:18,880 --> 01:22:25,070
applications and research as well

1926
01:22:25,080 --> 01:22:27,239
the cn's robust regulatory framework is

1927
01:22:27,239 --> 01:22:29,679
predicated on the uh enabling

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01:22:29,679 --> 01:22:31,560
legislation which is the nuclear safety

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01:22:31,560 --> 01:22:34,440
and Control Act

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01:22:34,440 --> 01:22:37,440
um and as we move down this triangle it

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01:22:37,440 --> 01:22:40,280
gets to more and more detail uh on our

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01:22:40,280 --> 01:22:42,679
nuclear regulatory framework so the

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01:22:42,679 --> 01:22:44,800
onuses on proponents and lenses to show

1934
01:22:44,800 --> 01:22:47,480
us how they meet our requirements

1935
01:22:47,480 --> 01:22:50,000
specifically for the Bruce C project uh

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01:22:50,000 --> 01:22:51,520
we're working very closely with the

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01:22:51,520 --> 01:22:54,159
impact assessment agency of Canada on to

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01:22:54,159 --> 01:23:00,110
inter our requirements into their

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01:23:00,120 --> 01:23:04,159
process uh so as mentioned also before

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01:23:04,159 --> 01:23:06,000
the Bruce seat project speaking

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01:23:06,000 --> 01:23:08,520
specifically is uh right now seeking the

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01:23:08,520 --> 01:23:11,280
license to prepare site uh but we are a

1943
01:23:11,280 --> 01:23:15,040
multiphase life cycle uh regulator so it

1944
01:23:15,040 --> 01:23:17,000
begins with the site preparation and

1945
01:23:17,000 --> 01:23:19,560
then moves into construction operation

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01:23:19,560 --> 01:23:22,320
and decommissioning at which point each

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01:23:22,320 --> 01:23:25,199
different life cycle phase is uh

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01:23:25,199 --> 01:23:30,950
is is handled through a public

1949
01:23:30,960 --> 01:23:33,719
hearing cnc's regulatory oversight is

1950
01:23:33,719 --> 01:23:37,159
based on 14 safety and control areas uh

1951
01:23:37,159 --> 01:23:39,400
these are technical topics where we have

1952
01:23:39,400 --> 01:23:42,760
various subject matter experts um each

1953
01:23:42,760 --> 01:23:44,000
subject matter expert will be

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01:23:44,000 --> 01:23:46,120
responsible for assessing evaluating

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01:23:46,120 --> 01:23:48,480
reviewing verifying and Reporting on

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01:23:48,480 --> 01:23:51,040
regulatory requirements and performance

1957
01:23:51,040 --> 01:23:57,189
of a proponent or leny

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01:23:57,199 --> 01:24:00,840
so how is cnse uh oversight carried out

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01:24:00,840 --> 01:24:02,600
well there are various different methods

1960
01:24:02,600 --> 01:24:06,560
of inspections uh we review many reports

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01:24:06,560 --> 01:24:07,679
uh

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01:24:07,679 --> 01:24:11,600
also uh direct followup through those uh

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01:24:11,600 --> 01:24:13,639
and we also conduct engagement and

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01:24:13,639 --> 01:24:16,950
Outreach like

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01:24:16,960 --> 01:24:19,239
today the next few slides speak in

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01:24:19,239 --> 01:24:22,520
detail to some areas of interest uh I I

1967
01:24:22,520 --> 01:24:24,440
I will admit I'm not an expert in these

1968
01:24:24,440 --> 01:24:27,320
areas uh except for the last one which

1969
01:24:27,320 --> 01:24:29,880
uh so I won't speak too in detail but

1970
01:24:29,880 --> 01:24:31,679
I'd like to include these slides as

1971
01:24:31,679 --> 01:24:33,199
informational purposes because they are

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01:24:33,199 --> 01:24:40,910
full of great

1973
01:24:40,920 --> 01:24:43,159
information

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01:24:43,159 --> 01:24:46,480
um on this Slide the regulations speak

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01:24:46,480 --> 01:24:49,119
speaking back to uh the regulatory

1976
01:24:49,119 --> 01:24:51,320
framework uh certification of packaging

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01:24:51,320 --> 01:24:52,119
for

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01:24:52,119 --> 01:24:54,440
transport uh occurs through the

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01:24:54,440 --> 01:24:55,679
packaging and transport of nuclear

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01:24:55,679 --> 01:24:58,080
substances regulations uh but also

1981
01:24:58,080 --> 01:24:59,480
adherence to the transportation of

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01:24:59,480 --> 01:25:01,239
dangerous goods

1983
01:25:01,239 --> 01:25:04,639
regulations um and the CNC has staff

1984
01:25:04,639 --> 01:25:10,189
that oversee these

1985
01:25:10,199 --> 01:25:12,880
programs so similarly I am not an expert

1986
01:25:12,880 --> 01:25:15,440
in Emergency Management uh but again I

1987
01:25:15,440 --> 01:25:17,360
like to include these slides for the

1988
01:25:17,360 --> 01:25:18,880
informational

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01:25:18,880 --> 01:25:22,239
purposes uh we do have experts in these

1990
01:25:22,239 --> 01:25:28,590
in both of these various areas

1991
01:25:28,600 --> 01:25:30,840
and essentially so this is closing off

1992
01:25:30,840 --> 01:25:32,520
for the Emergency Management uh the

1993
01:25:32,520 --> 01:25:34,560
basic principles are that there is an

1994
01:25:34,560 --> 01:25:36,520
assessment done which is the planning

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01:25:36,520 --> 01:25:38,400
basis

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01:25:38,400 --> 01:25:40,800
uh the emergency response plan and

1997
01:25:40,800 --> 01:25:43,600
procedures uh is then described there is

1998
01:25:43,600 --> 01:25:46,280
practice practice and Readiness that is

1999
01:25:46,280 --> 01:25:48,719
goes on into the emergency management

2000
01:25:48,719 --> 01:25:50,600
and then uh those programs are

2001
01:25:50,600 --> 01:25:52,480
reassessed and Effectiveness is

2002
01:25:52,480 --> 01:25:57,830
re-evaluated

2003
01:25:57,840 --> 01:25:59,520
as for the Environmental Protection

2004
01:25:59,520 --> 01:26:03,280
framework uh so we this is mostly

2005
01:26:03,280 --> 01:26:05,119
described through the reg regulatory

2006
01:26:05,119 --> 01:26:08,400
documents of 2.9.1 and

2007
01:26:08,400 --> 01:26:11,159
2.9.2 I'll also add that all of cn's

2008
01:26:11,159 --> 01:26:13,119
regulatory documents are available

2009
01:26:13,119 --> 01:26:16,239
online for your your

2010
01:26:16,239 --> 01:26:18,840
reading um in these documents they

2011
01:26:18,840 --> 01:26:20,600
explain the requirements and guidance we

2012
01:26:20,600 --> 01:26:26,229
have for proponents and lenes at Large

2013
01:26:26,239 --> 01:26:29,040
for existing lenses we rely on an

2014
01:26:29,040 --> 01:26:31,520
Adaptive phase management approach uh of

2015
01:26:31,520 --> 01:26:34,480
an environmental risk assessment um and

2016
01:26:34,480 --> 01:26:36,600
this shows that process so the

2017
01:26:36,600 --> 01:26:38,520
environmental risk assessment uh is

2018
01:26:38,520 --> 01:26:41,560
revised on a minimum of fiveyear cycle

2019
01:26:41,560 --> 01:26:44,000
uh and is updated with new data uh which

2020
01:26:44,000 --> 01:26:47,560
is collected by lenses uh and updated

2021
01:26:47,560 --> 01:26:50,000
based on new science developments as

2022
01:26:50,000 --> 01:26:52,280
well they touch on every aspect of the

2023
01:26:52,280 --> 01:26:54,840
environment and uh so that also includes

2024
01:26:54,840 --> 01:26:57,040
the human health risk assessment and the

2025
01:26:57,040 --> 01:27:00,470
ecological risk

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01:27:00,480 --> 01:27:03,960
assessment and that is it for me today

2027
01:27:03,960 --> 01:27:04,719
thank

2028
01:27:04,719 --> 01:27:06,920
you may I add just a key takeaway

2029
01:27:06,920 --> 01:27:08,920
messages in the in the requirements that

2030
01:27:08,920 --> 01:27:10,800
Doug was explaining on the lies slides

2031
01:27:10,800 --> 01:27:12,679
those are the kinds of requirements that

2032
01:27:12,679 --> 01:27:14,440
I was referring to earlier as being

2033
01:27:14,440 --> 01:27:17,000
integrated within our tailored impact

2034
01:27:17,000 --> 01:27:20,040
statement guidelines so thank

2035
01:27:20,040 --> 01:27:24,960
you Council questions for uh m turkot or

2036
01:27:24,960 --> 01:27:26,400
Mr

2037
01:27:26,400 --> 01:27:29,280
Wy councelor Stewart please thank you

2038
01:27:29,280 --> 01:27:30,600
and through you chair thank you very

2039
01:27:30,600 --> 01:27:34,239
much for very informative um I actually

2040
01:27:34,239 --> 01:27:36,719
live at imuran so we're the closest

2041
01:27:36,719 --> 01:27:41,159
Community to Bruce Power um I just have

2042
01:27:41,159 --> 01:27:43,199
other than looking at our comprehensive

2043
01:27:43,199 --> 01:27:45,119
zoning bylaw over the next little while

2044
01:27:45,119 --> 01:27:47,400
and our official plan I've been working

2045
01:27:47,400 --> 01:27:51,000
on my my comments on the impact

2046
01:27:51,000 --> 01:27:53,800
assessment my problem is is B I hope you

2047
01:27:53,800 --> 01:27:56,000
can help help me I'm trying to get some

2048
01:27:56,000 --> 01:27:58,320
funding but uh those things are a little

2049
01:27:58,320 --> 01:28:00,560
more difficult to fill in than I thought

2050
01:28:00,560 --> 01:28:02,520
is there anybody that can help me fill

2051
01:28:02,520 --> 01:28:05,520
in for some uh participation funding

2052
01:28:05,520 --> 01:28:07,679
programs because every time I look at it

2053
01:28:07,679 --> 01:28:10,719
I almost go crazy so I I I know it's

2054
01:28:10,719 --> 01:28:12,880
pretty self-explanatory but it's not if

2055
01:28:12,880 --> 01:28:14,520
if you know if you if you're not dealing

2056
01:28:14,520 --> 01:28:16,760
with it every day so is there somebody

2057
01:28:16,760 --> 01:28:19,360
or Cole's notes sorry I'm showing my age

2058
01:28:19,360 --> 01:28:21,480
but is there some sort of version I can

2059
01:28:21,480 --> 01:28:22,840
actually because there's about three or

2060
01:28:22,840 --> 01:28:26,239
four I would like to apply for thank

2061
01:28:26,239 --> 01:28:29,920
you thank you through you mayor um uh

2062
01:28:29,920 --> 01:28:32,119
yes definitely there is support uh the

2063
01:28:32,119 --> 01:28:33,800
participant funding program has a

2064
01:28:33,800 --> 01:28:35,520
generic inbox and we can put you in

2065
01:28:35,520 --> 01:28:38,719
contact with folks there who uh are uh

2066
01:28:38,719 --> 01:28:41,560
good support to help with um filling the

2067
01:28:41,560 --> 01:28:43,760
applications the application for the

2068
01:28:43,760 --> 01:28:45,920
current public comit period for the

2069
01:28:45,920 --> 01:28:48,600
Brucey process uh closed I think it was

2070
01:28:48,600 --> 01:28:50,800
on September 13th but there are several

2071
01:28:50,800 --> 01:28:53,560
other ongoing and there will be more so

2072
01:28:53,560 --> 01:28:55,480
you can either th email the Public

2073
01:28:55,480 --> 01:28:57,840
Funding participant program or contact

2074
01:28:57,840 --> 01:29:00,119
us and I can put you through the right

2075
01:29:00,119 --> 01:29:04,239
people as well thank you very much

2076
01:29:04,239 --> 01:29:07,199
is councelor Kavanaugh thank you very

2077
01:29:07,199 --> 01:29:08,800
much and uh through the chair thank you

2078
01:29:08,800 --> 01:29:10,840
for your presentation uh to take it a

2079
01:29:10,840 --> 01:29:12,600
little more broadly uh councelor Stewart

2080
01:29:12,600 --> 01:29:14,199
was referring to applying I believe as

2081
01:29:14,199 --> 01:29:17,320
an individual representing um and and

2082
01:29:17,320 --> 01:29:18,400
I'm more curious about how the

2083
01:29:18,400 --> 01:29:21,239
municipality can participate um your

2084
01:29:21,239 --> 01:29:23,760
slide mentioned meaningful participation

2085
01:29:23,760 --> 01:29:26,199
but um we we actually have an agenda

2086
01:29:26,199 --> 01:29:27,719
item later tonight about our budget

2087
01:29:27,719 --> 01:29:30,159
presentation and uh looking at what it

2088
01:29:30,159 --> 01:29:32,320
would cost or what the estimated cost

2089
01:29:32,320 --> 01:29:33,880
what it could be for the municipality to

2090
01:29:33,880 --> 01:29:36,239
sort of participate fully uh seems like

2091
01:29:36,239 --> 01:29:38,280
a lot to sort of push onto our taxpayers

2092
01:29:38,280 --> 01:29:41,600
especially in one year uh is there there

2093
01:29:41,600 --> 01:29:43,520
processes or ways for the municipality

2094
01:29:43,520 --> 01:29:47,400
to secure funding to meaningly

2095
01:29:47,400 --> 01:29:49,199
participate thank you for the question

2096
01:29:49,199 --> 01:29:52,000
through you chair uh currently our

2097
01:29:52,000 --> 01:29:53,480
participant funding program does not

2098
01:29:53,480 --> 01:29:55,679
include t tax based organizations so the

2099
01:29:55,679 --> 01:29:59,000
criteria for eligibility eligibility

2100
01:29:59,000 --> 01:30:01,400
unfortunately uh would uh rule out

2101
01:30:01,400 --> 01:30:04,360
funding a municipality directly um I can

2102
01:30:04,360 --> 01:30:07,320
speak from Fast past experience um

2103
01:30:07,320 --> 01:30:09,520
Municipal citizens have themselves

2104
01:30:09,520 --> 01:30:11,760
acquired funding through the participant

2105
01:30:11,760 --> 01:30:14,159
funding program to um look into

2106
01:30:14,159 --> 01:30:15,280
information that they were really

2107
01:30:15,280 --> 01:30:18,159
interested about which was related to

2108
01:30:18,159 --> 01:30:20,239
socioeconomic conditions health

2109
01:30:20,239 --> 01:30:22,880
conditions environment Etc so that is

2110
01:30:22,880 --> 01:30:25,000
one of the ways that the city cens can

2111
01:30:25,000 --> 01:30:27,360
uh look into getting funding to support

2112
01:30:27,360 --> 01:30:29,280
uh review of information or their own

2113
01:30:29,280 --> 01:30:31,280
contributions that would also be of

2114
01:30:31,280 --> 01:30:32,360
interest to the

2115
01:30:32,360 --> 01:30:34,840
municipality um and other than that we

2116
01:30:34,840 --> 01:30:36,520
don't really have visibility or don't

2117
01:30:36,520 --> 01:30:38,040
necessarily intervene directly with

2118
01:30:38,040 --> 01:30:40,159
proponents to provide funding but that

2119
01:30:40,159 --> 01:30:42,360
is something that could be an Avenue um

2120
01:30:42,360 --> 01:30:45,080
that we've also seen in the past and I

2121
01:30:45,080 --> 01:30:47,280
don't know Doug if you have anything to

2122
01:30:47,280 --> 01:30:50,080
add thank you through you mayor uh so

2123
01:30:50,080 --> 01:30:51,880
the ceny in the past has encouraged

2124
01:30:51,880 --> 01:30:54,080
municipalities because we likewise

2125
01:30:54,080 --> 01:30:55,760
cannot fund municipalities through our

2126
01:30:55,760 --> 01:30:58,119
person funding program however we we've

2127
01:30:58,119 --> 01:30:59,520
encouraged municipalities to reach out

2128
01:30:59,520 --> 01:31:01,400
to the Canadian Association for nuclear

2129
01:31:01,400 --> 01:31:03,840
host communities who can access funding

2130
01:31:03,840 --> 01:31:05,239
for the municipality and who can direct

2131
01:31:05,239 --> 01:31:10,719
funds to you um and I I believe that's

2132
01:31:10,719 --> 01:31:14,360
it maybe I'll uh direct that comment

2133
01:31:14,360 --> 01:31:17,360
back to our CAO because I I believe we

2134
01:31:17,360 --> 01:31:19,440
already have and could you comment on

2135
01:31:19,440 --> 01:31:22,520
the response for that please sure

2136
01:31:22,520 --> 01:31:26,480
through through you um yes so Kik did

2137
01:31:26,480 --> 01:31:29,239
put forward an application um for

2138
01:31:29,239 --> 01:31:30,679
funding through to

2139
01:31:30,679 --> 01:31:34,000
cnsc um uh from what I know that was

2140
01:31:34,000 --> 01:31:35,440
declined what was shared with me that

2141
01:31:35,440 --> 01:31:38,679
was declined um it was referred over to

2142
01:31:38,679 --> 01:31:41,119
iak um an application was submitted

2143
01:31:41,119 --> 01:31:43,639
before the deadline um and to date we

2144
01:31:43,639 --> 01:31:48,629
haven't heard

2145
01:31:48,639 --> 01:31:52,040
yet yes Mr Wy

2146
01:31:52,040 --> 01:31:54,440
please I may through your mayor

2147
01:31:54,440 --> 01:31:56,800
uh I'll I will take that back to the C

2148
01:31:56,800 --> 01:31:58,320
and our participant funding program to

2149
01:31:58,320 --> 01:32:00,910
look into that

2150
01:32:00,920 --> 01:32:03,760
further one one of the questions and I'm

2151
01:32:03,760 --> 01:32:05,440
not precluding any other counselors that

2152
01:32:05,440 --> 01:32:08,000
there's ones to follow up I uh

2153
01:32:08,000 --> 01:32:12,040
appreciate the Cooperative uh function

2154
01:32:12,040 --> 01:32:15,840
that iak and cnsc seems to uh work

2155
01:32:15,840 --> 01:32:17,239
together you know there's there's one

2156
01:32:17,239 --> 01:32:19,600
that's begins the process and one that

2157
01:32:19,600 --> 01:32:21,400
continues on but I'm sure there's

2158
01:32:21,400 --> 01:32:23,520
cooperation back and forth and and I'm

2159
01:32:23,520 --> 01:32:26,080
wondering ing about

2160
01:32:26,080 --> 01:32:30,320
the uh about the function of iak and

2161
01:32:30,320 --> 01:32:34,159
cnsc whether in the the midst of the

2162
01:32:34,159 --> 01:32:36,360
conversations uh whether it's the

2163
01:32:36,360 --> 01:32:38,600
planning or evaluation or submission of

2164
01:32:38,600 --> 01:32:41,719
reports or whatever are you a uh a

2165
01:32:41,719 --> 01:32:46,520
mediator a uh an adjudicator

2166
01:32:46,520 --> 01:32:51,639
a an enforcer what's what's what's your

2167
01:32:51,639 --> 01:32:54,320
what's your level of authority here what

2168
01:32:54,320 --> 01:32:56,080
what yeah I know that's the official

2169
01:32:56,080 --> 01:32:58,480
title but I but I'm wondering if like

2170
01:32:58,480 --> 01:33:00,480
when push comes to shove where where are

2171
01:33:00,480 --> 01:33:03,320
you in the pecking order here yes in

2172
01:33:03,320 --> 01:33:05,159
terms of our thank you for the question

2173
01:33:05,159 --> 01:33:07,639
through you and and it's a very very

2174
01:33:07,639 --> 01:33:10,920
good question um we are almost all of

2175
01:33:10,920 --> 01:33:12,679
those things depending on what time of

2176
01:33:12,679 --> 01:33:15,199
the process that we are at in terms of

2177
01:33:15,199 --> 01:33:17,199
the impact assessment agency of Canada

2178
01:33:17,199 --> 01:33:19,440
for nuclear projects obviously the life

2179
01:33:19,440 --> 01:33:21,280
cycle regulator will always remain the

2180
01:33:21,280 --> 01:33:23,360
Kenan nuclear safety commission but

2181
01:33:23,360 --> 01:33:25,159
during in an integrated assessment

2182
01:33:25,159 --> 01:33:27,080
process it is led by the impact

2183
01:33:27,080 --> 01:33:29,600
assessment agency of Canada according to

2184
01:33:29,600 --> 01:33:31,480
a memorandum of understanding that's

2185
01:33:31,480 --> 01:33:33,520
actually on our website that's freely

2186
01:33:33,520 --> 01:33:35,840
available uh for integrated assessments

2187
01:33:35,840 --> 01:33:38,360
between our organizations so at the

2188
01:33:38,360 --> 01:33:40,280
beginning steps of the process I would

2189
01:33:40,280 --> 01:33:42,239
like to say that almost for the entire

2190
01:33:42,239 --> 01:33:44,800
time we are a facilitator it would be

2191
01:33:44,800 --> 01:33:46,600
the word that I would use so we do

2192
01:33:46,600 --> 01:33:48,960
administer the entire process from start

2193
01:33:48,960 --> 01:33:52,000
to finish in terms of our duties and our

2194
01:33:52,000 --> 01:33:54,280
expertise we will then always use the

2195
01:33:54,280 --> 01:33:56,320
information that is publicly available

2196
01:33:56,320 --> 01:33:58,400
on the record in order for us to perform

2197
01:33:58,400 --> 01:34:01,239
our work so it does include looking into

2198
01:34:01,239 --> 01:34:02,960
the expertise from all of the federal

2199
01:34:02,960 --> 01:34:05,480
authorities including the cnsc fisheries

2200
01:34:05,480 --> 01:34:07,679
and oceans Canada Environment Canada if

2201
01:34:07,679 --> 01:34:09,280
there is provincial expertise on the

2202
01:34:09,280 --> 01:34:12,000
record uh also comments from the public

2203
01:34:12,000 --> 01:34:14,000
and municipalities we use that

2204
01:34:14,000 --> 01:34:16,400
information and maybe in that sense it's

2205
01:34:16,400 --> 01:34:18,679
not necessarily a mediator but you could

2206
01:34:18,679 --> 01:34:20,600
kind of go as far as saying that we take

2207
01:34:20,600 --> 01:34:22,280
all of that information look at the

2208
01:34:22,280 --> 01:34:24,880
concerns from uh indigenous groups and

2209
01:34:24,880 --> 01:34:26,920
the public the public pardon me

2210
01:34:26,920 --> 01:34:28,920
everything that's on the record and we

2211
01:34:28,920 --> 01:34:30,920
summarized that and turned that into

2212
01:34:30,920 --> 01:34:33,760
requirements to give the proponent so

2213
01:34:33,760 --> 01:34:35,520
then we become a little bit an

2214
01:34:35,520 --> 01:34:38,080
adjudicator in judging whether or not

2215
01:34:38,080 --> 01:34:40,320
the information and studies that a

2216
01:34:40,320 --> 01:34:43,360
proponent provides are satisfying the

2217
01:34:43,360 --> 01:34:45,880
guidelines so there is a decision there

2218
01:34:45,880 --> 01:34:48,440
when it comes to uh referring the impact

2219
01:34:48,440 --> 01:34:50,920
assessment process the Mandate for the

2220
01:34:50,920 --> 01:34:53,119
review panel that integrated review

2221
01:34:53,119 --> 01:34:55,360
panel is independent they are uh

2222
01:34:55,360 --> 01:34:57,760
unbiased they are not members of

2223
01:34:57,760 --> 01:34:59,920
government they are free of conflict and

2224
01:34:59,920 --> 01:35:01,679
of interests and they have to have

2225
01:35:01,679 --> 01:35:04,560
specific specific expertise so in that

2226
01:35:04,560 --> 01:35:07,400
sense there the agency and the CNC do

2227
01:35:07,400 --> 01:35:09,440
become technical administrative

2228
01:35:09,440 --> 01:35:12,280
logistical supports but that panel does

2229
01:35:12,280 --> 01:35:13,960
function on their own indep

2230
01:35:13,960 --> 01:35:15,880
independently the agency does have a

2231
01:35:15,880 --> 01:35:17,960
duty to give them support in terms of

2232
01:35:17,960 --> 01:35:20,119
Staff but all of that process is also

2233
01:35:20,119 --> 01:35:22,040
cost recovered from proponents I think I

2234
01:35:22,040 --> 01:35:25,480
forgot to mention that so that's that's

2235
01:35:25,480 --> 01:35:28,840
yeah so everything in it

2236
01:35:28,840 --> 01:35:31,280
depends everything in it depends uh

2237
01:35:31,280 --> 01:35:33,679
counselor hinchberger please thank you

2238
01:35:33,679 --> 01:35:36,360
through chair a lot of people won't go

2239
01:35:36,360 --> 01:35:39,679
into the depth that you will go into but

2240
01:35:39,679 --> 01:35:42,360
so people can get a idea of scope if we

2241
01:35:42,360 --> 01:35:44,920
were talking like um a radius from the

2242
01:35:44,920 --> 01:35:47,719
Bruce Power site in terms of assessing

2243
01:35:47,719 --> 01:35:49,560
if you get to an impact assessment for a

2244
01:35:49,560 --> 01:35:51,840
Bruce SE project what kind of scale are

2245
01:35:51,840 --> 01:35:55,320
we talking about

2246
01:35:55,320 --> 01:35:57,960
thank you through mayor um that is an

2247
01:35:57,960 --> 01:35:59,920
excellent question it's not based

2248
01:35:59,920 --> 01:36:01,880
necessarily on a radius when we're

2249
01:36:01,880 --> 01:36:03,880
looking at the impacts of a project

2250
01:36:03,880 --> 01:36:05,960
we're looking at the whole life cycle

2251
01:36:05,960 --> 01:36:08,199
our legislation uh in terms of

2252
01:36:08,199 --> 01:36:10,600
designated projects stipulate that it's

2253
01:36:10,600 --> 01:36:12,719
for site preparation construction

2254
01:36:12,719 --> 01:36:14,679
operation decommissioning and

2255
01:36:14,679 --> 01:36:17,600
abandonment so in terms of the scope for

2256
01:36:17,600 --> 01:36:20,080
the timeline of a project we're looking

2257
01:36:20,080 --> 01:36:22,040
at all of it of course the level of

2258
01:36:22,040 --> 01:36:24,239
detail would not be as advanc for some

2259
01:36:24,239 --> 01:36:26,719
of the phases as others but we have to

2260
01:36:26,719 --> 01:36:29,520
consider all of that into consideration

2261
01:36:29,520 --> 01:36:32,800
in terms of the geographic scope it is

2262
01:36:32,800 --> 01:36:35,639
in the guidelin stipulated that it is uh

2263
01:36:35,639 --> 01:36:37,000
dependent on what we call valued

2264
01:36:37,000 --> 01:36:39,119
components so when you're looking for

2265
01:36:39,119 --> 01:36:40,960
example at the presentation that the

2266
01:36:40,960 --> 01:36:42,800
county of Bruce gave earlier they talk

2267
01:36:42,800 --> 01:36:44,600
about species at risk they look

2268
01:36:44,600 --> 01:36:45,960
depending on the species what their

2269
01:36:45,960 --> 01:36:48,440
habitats are and in terms of their

2270
01:36:48,440 --> 01:36:50,440
habitat how does that link to water

2271
01:36:50,440 --> 01:36:52,840
quality hydrogeology Etc so the

2272
01:36:52,840 --> 01:36:54,920
proponent has to Define geographical

2273
01:36:54,920 --> 01:36:57,119
extents including for health and socio

2274
01:36:57,119 --> 01:36:59,600
economic conditions of what is going to

2275
01:36:59,600 --> 01:37:01,800
be affected by the project so it is

2276
01:37:01,800 --> 01:37:03,679
Project dependent and dependent on the

2277
01:37:03,679 --> 01:37:06,480
valued component so we usually go as far

2278
01:37:06,480 --> 01:37:08,320
as the region especially when it comes

2279
01:37:08,320 --> 01:37:11,800
to cumulative effects so there's a long

2280
01:37:11,800 --> 01:37:14,920
list of policies and and best practices

2281
01:37:14,920 --> 01:37:16,880
in that area and we can work through

2282
01:37:16,880 --> 01:37:19,080
specific examples if you wish so like

2283
01:37:19,080 --> 01:37:21,520
using the fuel cycle as an example

2284
01:37:21,520 --> 01:37:23,280
depending on the reactor type chose and

2285
01:37:23,280 --> 01:37:25,880
whatever ever fuel it might use you'll

2286
01:37:25,880 --> 01:37:29,080
May reach as far as where the that fuel

2287
01:37:29,080 --> 01:37:32,760
is uh mined manufactured Etc as part of

2288
01:37:32,760 --> 01:37:37,800
the whole uh thread all the way here

2289
01:37:37,800 --> 01:37:40,599
correct thank you through you mayor so

2290
01:37:40,599 --> 01:37:43,000
that also is a question of an analysis

2291
01:37:43,000 --> 01:37:45,080
that needs to happen by the agency

2292
01:37:45,080 --> 01:37:47,320
during the the planning phase that we're

2293
01:37:47,320 --> 01:37:49,719
in when it comes to the tailored impact

2294
01:37:49,719 --> 01:37:51,520
statement guidelines because they have

2295
01:37:51,520 --> 01:37:53,159
to include all of the requirements for

2296
01:37:53,159 --> 01:37:54,840
the project and the project effects we

2297
01:37:54,840 --> 01:37:57,159
need to Define what the project is so

2298
01:37:57,159 --> 01:37:59,000
does the project include activities that

2299
01:37:59,000 --> 01:38:01,520
are incidental to it so there is a

2300
01:38:01,520 --> 01:38:03,159
summary of that analysis that is

2301
01:38:03,159 --> 01:38:05,599
typically posted when the guidelines are

2302
01:38:05,599 --> 01:38:08,320
finalized and I'll take for example the

2303
01:38:08,320 --> 01:38:12,199
topic of um I think it was the Delta

2304
01:38:12,199 --> 01:38:15,639
Port fourth birth at West um there was

2305
01:38:15,639 --> 01:38:18,159
consideration of marine shipping and

2306
01:38:18,159 --> 01:38:20,320
transport like Rail and Road Transport

2307
01:38:20,320 --> 01:38:22,159
and that was I believe included in the

2308
01:38:22,159 --> 01:38:24,199
guidelines so Sim similarly when you're

2309
01:38:24,199 --> 01:38:26,480
looking at transportation of fuel

2310
01:38:26,480 --> 01:38:28,760
transportation of waste transportation

2311
01:38:28,760 --> 01:38:31,040
of construction materials they all those

2312
01:38:31,040 --> 01:38:33,560
are all questions we currently have and

2313
01:38:33,560 --> 01:38:35,159
through the planning phase we'll get the

2314
01:38:35,159 --> 01:38:37,000
information to figure out how they fit

2315
01:38:37,000 --> 01:38:39,040
in the assessment if they're part of the

2316
01:38:39,040 --> 01:38:41,159
project are the cumulative impacts

2317
01:38:41,159 --> 01:38:43,480
related to the project or are the issues

2318
01:38:43,480 --> 01:38:45,199
relevant to the

2319
01:38:45,199 --> 01:38:47,320
assessment so all those concerns are

2320
01:38:47,320 --> 01:38:49,520
important to put on the record Deputy

2321
01:38:49,520 --> 01:38:53,550
Mayor please you had a question

2322
01:38:53,560 --> 01:38:56,239
sorry thank you mayor through you um I

2323
01:38:56,239 --> 01:38:58,480
had a couple of questions one was

2324
01:38:58,480 --> 01:39:02,119
um from phase one or stage one to to

2325
01:39:02,119 --> 01:39:04,080
stage three is stage one effectively

2326
01:39:04,080 --> 01:39:05,599
when the proponent has provided all of

2327
01:39:05,599 --> 01:39:08,360
the necessary information so sort of the

2328
01:39:08,360 --> 01:39:10,360
notice of determination is that stage

2329
01:39:10,360 --> 01:39:12,800
one sorry good question I wonder if I

2330
01:39:12,800 --> 01:39:33,070
can reshow the slides is that possible

2331
01:39:33,080 --> 01:39:34,679
I can start answering while the slides

2332
01:39:34,679 --> 01:39:36,840
are showing up so the five phases I was

2333
01:39:36,840 --> 01:39:38,119
talking about so when you're talking

2334
01:39:38,119 --> 01:39:40,639
stage one to stage three that would be

2335
01:39:40,639 --> 01:39:42,800
the planning phase number one impact

2336
01:39:42,800 --> 01:39:44,800
statement phase number two impact

2337
01:39:44,800 --> 01:39:47,360
assessment phase number three so the

2338
01:39:47,360 --> 01:39:50,000
planning phase really requires in order

2339
01:39:50,000 --> 01:39:52,199
to start that the proponent has

2340
01:39:52,199 --> 01:39:55,080
satisfied our uh requirements on what

2341
01:39:55,080 --> 01:39:58,159
needs to be in in thank

2342
01:39:58,159 --> 01:40:00,679
you

2343
01:40:00,679 --> 01:40:05,040
oh I'm I'm am I controlling it okay

2344
01:40:05,040 --> 01:40:09,119
thank you uh yes so phase one requires

2345
01:40:09,119 --> 01:40:11,599
in order to start uh the initial project

2346
01:40:11,599 --> 01:40:13,400
description has to contain the

2347
01:40:13,400 --> 01:40:15,320
information that's required so Bruce

2348
01:40:15,320 --> 01:40:17,360
Power has done that the information

2349
01:40:17,360 --> 01:40:19,800
requirements were completed so then it

2350
01:40:19,800 --> 01:40:22,360
was posted and started the other

2351
01:40:22,360 --> 01:40:24,159
requirements for the component in that

2352
01:40:24,159 --> 01:40:26,480
phase is to respond to the issues that

2353
01:40:26,480 --> 01:40:29,800
will be sent to them the next is really

2354
01:40:29,800 --> 01:40:32,480
on the agency and the cnsc with all of

2355
01:40:32,480 --> 01:40:34,639
the participants to fulfill the

2356
01:40:34,639 --> 01:40:36,320
requirements of information that we need

2357
01:40:36,320 --> 01:40:37,760
to build the guidelines and those

2358
01:40:37,760 --> 01:40:40,000
guidelines need to reflect the concerns

2359
01:40:40,000 --> 01:40:41,960
that are on the record and address all

2360
01:40:41,960 --> 01:40:44,440
of the areas that an impact assessment

2361
01:40:44,440 --> 01:40:47,119
has to look at now the phase phase

2362
01:40:47,119 --> 01:40:49,239
number two really is in the proponent

2363
01:40:49,239 --> 01:40:51,920
hand uh there is uh in our legislation

2364
01:40:51,920 --> 01:40:54,520
up to three years for a proponent to

2365
01:40:54,520 --> 01:40:56,320
provide all of the information and

2366
01:40:56,320 --> 01:40:59,159
studies from the guidelines so that is

2367
01:40:59,159 --> 01:41:00,880
uh what I believe uh might have been

2368
01:41:00,880 --> 01:41:04,159
referred to as uh being satisfied that

2369
01:41:04,159 --> 01:41:06,719
all of the information studies required

2370
01:41:06,719 --> 01:41:09,960
by the guidelines have been uh have been

2371
01:41:09,960 --> 01:41:12,800
provided so that does include like uh as

2372
01:41:12,800 --> 01:41:15,639
I was saying earlier a period where

2373
01:41:15,639 --> 01:41:17,679
there is a public participation

2374
01:41:17,679 --> 01:41:20,440
opportunity and there is a review of how

2375
01:41:20,440 --> 01:41:22,320
much information has been provided and

2376
01:41:22,320 --> 01:41:24,760
does it um meet the requirements of the

2377
01:41:24,760 --> 01:41:27,880
guidelines when it's then in phase three

2378
01:41:27,880 --> 01:41:30,679
once that say yes there is we're

2379
01:41:30,679 --> 01:41:32,520
satisfied the information has been

2380
01:41:32,520 --> 01:41:35,199
provided once that has been done then

2381
01:41:35,199 --> 01:41:37,840
the assessment uh actually is referred

2382
01:41:37,840 --> 01:41:39,920
to the independent review panel who will

2383
01:41:39,920 --> 01:41:42,080
then test whether they have enough

2384
01:41:42,080 --> 01:41:44,599
information to do the impact assessment

2385
01:41:44,599 --> 01:41:47,320
report so their mandate might include to

2386
01:41:47,320 --> 01:41:49,040
actually get information from other

2387
01:41:49,040 --> 01:41:51,360
parties it's not limited to just a

2388
01:41:51,360 --> 01:41:53,599
proponent and they will ask ask

2389
01:41:53,599 --> 01:41:55,520
questions and as an independent

2390
01:41:55,520 --> 01:41:58,159
independent body can test whether or not

2391
01:41:58,159 --> 01:42:00,880
the what is provided information is uh

2392
01:42:00,880 --> 01:42:02,840
sufficient and adequate and make

2393
01:42:02,840 --> 01:42:04,480
recommendations accordingly where they

2394
01:42:04,480 --> 01:42:09,709
might see gaps and

2395
01:42:09,719 --> 01:42:11,840
uncertainties now thanks for clarifying

2396
01:42:11,840 --> 01:42:13,840
that my second question was perhaps

2397
01:42:13,840 --> 01:42:16,000
going back to councelor Stewart's

2398
01:42:16,000 --> 01:42:18,239
initial remark we're looking at the

2399
01:42:18,239 --> 01:42:19,960
public engagement portion of it and I

2400
01:42:19,960 --> 01:42:21,760
appreciate that there is the opportunity

2401
01:42:21,760 --> 01:42:23,920
for the public to effectively uh right

2402
01:42:23,920 --> 01:42:27,159
in in terms of responses

2403
01:42:27,159 --> 01:42:29,520
um part of the legislation requires it

2404
01:42:29,520 --> 01:42:32,679
to be obviously meaningful consultation

2405
01:42:32,679 --> 01:42:34,360
and how are you finding the engagement

2406
01:42:34,360 --> 01:42:38,599
process when it's perhaps uh it's maybe

2407
01:42:38,599 --> 01:42:41,400
not as straightforward for a lot of

2408
01:42:41,400 --> 01:42:44,119
individuals to to complete that um

2409
01:42:44,119 --> 01:42:45,760
because it it would seem that it doesn't

2410
01:42:45,760 --> 01:42:48,440
meet them it wouldn't necessarily meet

2411
01:42:48,440 --> 01:42:50,199
the legislative requirement of

2412
01:42:50,199 --> 01:42:52,520
meaningful if it's becoming more

2413
01:42:52,520 --> 01:42:53,639
problematic

2414
01:42:53,639 --> 01:42:58,709
um or difficult for them to properly

2415
01:42:58,719 --> 01:43:01,480
engage thank you through you mayor that

2416
01:43:01,480 --> 01:43:03,639
is a very good question we really do our

2417
01:43:03,639 --> 01:43:05,960
best to identify what obstacles exist

2418
01:43:05,960 --> 01:43:07,960
for Meaningful engagement we've been

2419
01:43:07,960 --> 01:43:10,119
very proactively trying to understand

2420
01:43:10,119 --> 01:43:11,560
that with the community and we've had

2421
01:43:11,560 --> 01:43:14,040
support from your we have had support

2422
01:43:14,040 --> 01:43:15,960
pardon me from the municipality of

2423
01:43:15,960 --> 01:43:19,159
Karden as well as uh Bruce County to

2424
01:43:19,159 --> 01:43:21,639
identify where to go when to go we have

2425
01:43:21,639 --> 01:43:23,599
identified already that we should spend

2426
01:43:23,599 --> 01:43:25,520
the next month of July and all of the

2427
01:43:25,520 --> 01:43:27,880
events around the community um but there

2428
01:43:27,880 --> 01:43:29,880
are still example uh sorry obstacles

2429
01:43:29,880 --> 01:43:31,719
that exist and really looking forward to

2430
01:43:31,719 --> 01:43:33,520
hearing uh what your comments might be

2431
01:43:33,520 --> 01:43:35,840
on that topic what the obstacles are in

2432
01:43:35,840 --> 01:43:37,239
terms of potentially like language

2433
01:43:37,239 --> 01:43:39,440
barriers and access to information so

2434
01:43:39,440 --> 01:43:41,280
that we can plan to address those as

2435
01:43:41,280 --> 01:43:44,800
part of our public participation

2436
01:43:44,800 --> 01:43:47,880
plan thank you just a quick fup what

2437
01:43:47,880 --> 01:43:49,199
what I was really thinking about is that

2438
01:43:49,199 --> 01:43:51,040
there's certainly going to be uh certain

2439
01:43:51,040 --> 01:43:52,520
communities and accessibility where

2440
01:43:52,520 --> 01:43:55,480
that's going to we um create barriers in

2441
01:43:55,480 --> 01:44:00,520
of itself um and I appreciate that

2442
01:44:00,520 --> 01:44:02,440
allowing the opportunity or the forum

2443
01:44:02,440 --> 01:44:04,920
for the for the public to engage is one

2444
01:44:04,920 --> 01:44:07,480
thing in terms of trying to to satisfy

2445
01:44:07,480 --> 01:44:09,360
the legislation um but the way the

2446
01:44:09,360 --> 01:44:11,119
legislation is worded it's very clear

2447
01:44:11,119 --> 01:44:12,679
that it's to be meaningful and I I'm

2448
01:44:12,679 --> 01:44:14,880
just I'm grateful for the indication

2449
01:44:14,880 --> 01:44:16,560
that you're trying to to get feedback on

2450
01:44:16,560 --> 01:44:18,599
that because I I have that concern that

2451
01:44:18,599 --> 01:44:20,560
it may not be meaningful if if people

2452
01:44:20,560 --> 01:44:23,199
are either put off with the process um

2453
01:44:23,199 --> 01:44:25,199
and aren't diligent in trying to find

2454
01:44:25,199 --> 01:44:27,080
the supports that are necessary to get

2455
01:44:27,080 --> 01:44:30,189
that

2456
01:44:30,199 --> 01:44:33,239
completed thank you may for you uh yes I

2457
01:44:33,239 --> 01:44:34,560
welcome those comments if you have any

2458
01:44:34,560 --> 01:44:36,520
specific examples we would really love

2459
01:44:36,520 --> 01:44:38,840
to hear about what we can do in that

2460
01:44:38,840 --> 01:44:41,119
regard

2461
01:44:41,119 --> 01:44:44,910
yes so

2462
01:44:44,920 --> 01:44:46,440
the

2463
01:44:46,440 --> 01:44:51,080
um I'll throw in a question here the uh

2464
01:44:51,080 --> 01:44:54,119
process will

2465
01:44:54,119 --> 01:44:56,400
uh the impact assessment process is

2466
01:44:56,400 --> 01:44:59,679
asking for individuals and and ourselves

2467
01:44:59,679 --> 01:45:02,480
and I know lots of agencies have put in

2468
01:45:02,480 --> 01:45:05,719
these are the impacts that will uh be

2469
01:45:05,719 --> 01:45:09,560
evident because of the proposed uh

2470
01:45:09,560 --> 01:45:13,400
project and I'm wondering when uh the

2471
01:45:13,400 --> 01:45:16,719
impact assessment agency receives them

2472
01:45:16,719 --> 01:45:19,119
uh they start doing their investigation

2473
01:45:19,119 --> 01:45:23,560
is it a process where uh you know

2474
01:45:23,560 --> 01:45:25,000
a person might say it's going to impact

2475
01:45:25,000 --> 01:45:26,480
my flower

2476
01:45:26,480 --> 01:45:30,719
bed and and you say well okay we need to

2477
01:45:30,719 --> 01:45:33,440
do some research to find that out do you

2478
01:45:33,440 --> 01:45:36,840
do you I I know cnsc has a great team of

2479
01:45:36,840 --> 01:45:38,639
uh scientists and researchers and all

2480
01:45:38,639 --> 01:45:41,679
that to to do that that background work

2481
01:45:41,679 --> 01:45:44,400
but the impact assessment agency does it

2482
01:45:44,400 --> 01:45:48,360
have the uh the wherewithal to do the

2483
01:45:48,360 --> 01:45:51,040
research to assess

2484
01:45:51,040 --> 01:45:53,520
those perceived impact

2485
01:45:53,520 --> 01:45:56,639
or do you receive a report and because

2486
01:45:56,639 --> 01:45:59,360
we received it we believe it or or is

2487
01:45:59,360 --> 01:46:02,199
the municipality like when we when we

2488
01:46:02,199 --> 01:46:06,599
get um when we get requests for

2489
01:46:06,599 --> 01:46:09,080
information uh is it incumbent upon us

2490
01:46:09,080 --> 01:46:11,679
to have our staff do all the research

2491
01:46:11,679 --> 01:46:14,599
and verify what was submitted or is that

2492
01:46:14,599 --> 01:46:17,119
your job or or how where how does that

2493
01:46:17,119 --> 01:46:20,159
process work please thank you through

2494
01:46:20,159 --> 01:46:23,480
you um the that's it's a great question

2495
01:46:23,480 --> 01:46:25,440
just let me just formulate my thoughts

2496
01:46:25,440 --> 01:46:27,920
for a moment so the information that we

2497
01:46:27,920 --> 01:46:30,040
receive on the record is not information

2498
01:46:30,040 --> 01:46:32,480
that typically we generate so the impact

2499
01:46:32,480 --> 01:46:34,920
assessment agency of Canada has multiple

2500
01:46:34,920 --> 01:46:37,520
policies and uh technical guidelines on

2501
01:46:37,520 --> 01:46:39,280
how to properly conduct impact

2502
01:46:39,280 --> 01:46:42,119
assessments and we uh mainly rely on

2503
01:46:42,119 --> 01:46:44,360
technical expertise from federal experts

2504
01:46:44,360 --> 01:46:46,480
provincial experts and the rest of the

2505
01:46:46,480 --> 01:46:48,000
information that is on the record

2506
01:46:48,000 --> 01:46:49,480
including what is provided by the

2507
01:46:49,480 --> 01:46:51,760
proponent and other participants as well

2508
01:46:51,760 --> 01:46:54,560
as especially the CN in this case when

2509
01:46:54,560 --> 01:46:56,840
it comes to a concern that's been

2510
01:46:56,840 --> 01:46:59,000
provided by someone one of the first

2511
01:46:59,000 --> 01:47:01,119
questions on the registry is one is it

2512
01:47:01,119 --> 01:47:03,080
relevant to the project if it's not

2513
01:47:03,080 --> 01:47:04,679
relevant to the project obviously the

2514
01:47:04,679 --> 01:47:06,599
agency with the cnsc and when it's the

2515
01:47:06,599 --> 01:47:08,360
panel would weigh that information

2516
01:47:08,360 --> 01:47:10,639
accordingly if it is relevant to the

2517
01:47:10,639 --> 01:47:13,000
project but there is a doubt or there is

2518
01:47:13,000 --> 01:47:14,800
something on the record that indicates

2519
01:47:14,800 --> 01:47:16,639
that the information might not be

2520
01:47:16,639 --> 01:47:19,760
adequate and uh accurate then there is

2521
01:47:19,760 --> 01:47:21,560
the possibility for the agency and the

2522
01:47:21,560 --> 01:47:24,360
CNC to raise that concern and request

2523
01:47:24,360 --> 01:47:27,119
the proponent to provide a response once

2524
01:47:27,119 --> 01:47:30,280
the independent um integrated review

2525
01:47:30,280 --> 01:47:32,239
panel is appointed they can then if

2526
01:47:32,239 --> 01:47:33,880
they're not satisfied with the evidence

2527
01:47:33,880 --> 01:47:35,880
on the record if there is a big

2528
01:47:35,880 --> 01:47:38,400
discrepancy between what one party says

2529
01:47:38,400 --> 01:47:41,040
versus another they can request external

2530
01:47:41,040 --> 01:47:43,199
technical review if they don't feel like

2531
01:47:43,199 --> 01:47:46,440
they have a reliable third party so

2532
01:47:46,440 --> 01:47:48,719
that's that's kind of um an example of

2533
01:47:48,719 --> 01:47:49,800
how it would

2534
01:47:49,800 --> 01:47:52,560
work councelor hinchberger please thank

2535
01:47:52,560 --> 01:47:55,280
you youer having worked for some time

2536
01:47:55,280 --> 01:47:57,760
for the proponent that might not be

2537
01:47:57,760 --> 01:48:00,320
obvious to a lot of people how the

2538
01:48:00,320 --> 01:48:03,400
regulatory environment is very much such

2539
01:48:03,400 --> 01:48:06,560
that the proponent has the obligation

2540
01:48:06,560 --> 01:48:09,360
and the initiative to show the regulator

2541
01:48:09,360 --> 01:48:11,280
the regulator doesn't generally do the

2542
01:48:11,280 --> 01:48:13,840
work for the proponent the the the

2543
01:48:13,840 --> 01:48:16,440
regulator specifies what's required and

2544
01:48:16,440 --> 01:48:19,440
it's up to the proponent to do much of

2545
01:48:19,440 --> 01:48:21,040
the analysis whether they can do it

2546
01:48:21,040 --> 01:48:23,840
inhouse contracted out or whatever there

2547
01:48:23,840 --> 01:48:25,960
I think that it was described earlier

2548
01:48:25,960 --> 01:48:28,360
that the AA role is largely one of

2549
01:48:28,360 --> 01:48:30,320
facilitator to make sure that the

2550
01:48:30,320 --> 01:48:32,040
process has followed and from the

2551
01:48:32,040 --> 01:48:33,880
nitty-gritty related to the technical

2552
01:48:33,880 --> 01:48:35,960
parts that's where the Canadian nuclear

2553
01:48:35,960 --> 01:48:37,880
safety commission would have the

2554
01:48:37,880 --> 01:48:40,119
expertise to know what the proponent

2555
01:48:40,119 --> 01:48:43,159
must provide to them in order to be

2556
01:48:43,159 --> 01:48:45,119
reviewed there's a it's we we get a

2557
01:48:45,119 --> 01:48:47,639
little mistake here because we're in a

2558
01:48:47,639 --> 01:48:50,520
discussion here with iak and the cnsc

2559
01:48:50,520 --> 01:48:52,199
when we're missing a stakeholder that's

2560
01:48:52,199 --> 01:48:54,320
Central to the whole thing including the

2561
01:48:54,320 --> 01:48:56,320
Lion Share of the work to be done which

2562
01:48:56,320 --> 01:49:00,470
is the

2563
01:49:00,480 --> 01:49:03,080
proponent there is there opportunity to

2564
01:49:03,080 --> 01:49:06,239
comment or no no no that

2565
01:49:06,239 --> 01:49:09,639
was uh councelor Stewart please thank

2566
01:49:09,639 --> 01:49:11,679
you just to finish because a few people

2567
01:49:11,679 --> 01:49:14,080
mentioned uh through you chair uh my

2568
01:49:14,080 --> 01:49:16,360
name and everything else uh it's

2569
01:49:16,360 --> 01:49:19,080
interesting because the

2570
01:49:19,080 --> 01:49:21,880
municipality's issues are my issues too

2571
01:49:21,880 --> 01:49:24,159
as an individual so it'll be interesting

2572
01:49:24,159 --> 01:49:26,520
to see how they sort of deal with an

2573
01:49:26,520 --> 01:49:29,679
individual but we could expand it to the

2574
01:49:29,679 --> 01:49:33,119
municipality too example traffic and

2575
01:49:33,119 --> 01:49:34,800
impact of traffic especially in the

2576
01:49:34,800 --> 01:49:37,000
community right beside that impacts the

2577
01:49:37,000 --> 01:49:39,599
municipality but it really impacts us so

2578
01:49:39,599 --> 01:49:42,119
it'll be interesting to see how these uh

2579
01:49:42,119 --> 01:49:44,080
submissions go and how you deal with

2580
01:49:44,080 --> 01:49:49,189
them but I'm looking forward to it thank

2581
01:49:49,199 --> 01:49:52,920
you okay Miss turot Mr Wy thank you so

2582
01:49:52,920 --> 01:49:54,599
much for your presentations this evening

2583
01:49:54,599 --> 01:49:57,800
from the impact assessment agency and uh

2584
01:49:57,800 --> 01:50:00,599
Canadian nuclear safety commission we do

2585
01:50:00,599 --> 01:50:02,880
appreciate the uh the guidance you've

2586
01:50:02,880 --> 01:50:05,199
given us tonight thank you for the

2587
01:50:05,199 --> 01:50:08,599
opportunity to come here thank

2588
01:50:08,599 --> 01:50:11,199
you uh so we had a motion on the floor

2589
01:50:11,199 --> 01:50:13,920
that we received presentation all in

2590
01:50:13,920 --> 01:50:17,709
favor uh it's

2591
01:50:17,719 --> 01:50:20,599
carried uh do you want your bio break

2592
01:50:20,599 --> 01:50:51,629
now okay

2593
01:50:51,639 --> 01:54:51,990
e e

2594
01:54:52,000 --> 01:54:53,440
he folks folks I'd like to go home

2595
01:54:53,440 --> 01:54:57,199
tonight so thank you you can bring your

2596
01:54:57,199 --> 01:54:59,480
food back to the table but we're going

2597
01:54:59,480 --> 01:55:21,310
to

2598
01:55:21,320 --> 01:55:51,229
start

2599
01:55:51,239 --> 01:57:05,310
e e

2600
01:57:05,320 --> 01:57:10,189
okay here we

2601
01:57:10,199 --> 01:57:15,440
go uh moving on in the agenda we have uh

2602
01:57:15,440 --> 01:57:17,040
six

2603
01:57:17,040 --> 01:57:21,400
1B 2025 budget plan report we need a

2604
01:57:21,400 --> 01:57:24,510
move in second

2605
01:57:24,520 --> 01:57:28,719
uh that uh and this this is the fashion

2606
01:57:28,719 --> 01:57:30,800
that we will go through this uh motion

2607
01:57:30,800 --> 01:57:32,840
just so that you are aware we we have

2608
01:57:32,840 --> 01:57:37,320
four very specific parts to this so uh

2609
01:57:37,320 --> 01:57:40,199
with your permission we will we will get

2610
01:57:40,199 --> 01:57:42,159
consensus on the first one and move on

2611
01:57:42,159 --> 01:57:44,760
to the second one get consensus on the

2612
01:57:44,760 --> 01:57:47,000
second one they are individual and

2613
01:57:47,000 --> 01:57:50,679
separate and and you know even though we

2614
01:57:50,679 --> 01:57:53,119
can put it in the context of budget and

2615
01:57:53,119 --> 01:57:56,480
want to talk about trucks and capital

2616
01:57:56,480 --> 01:57:58,320
purchases that's not the issue tonight

2617
01:57:58,320 --> 01:58:01,119
here here's the four specific things so

2618
01:58:01,119 --> 01:58:02,960
we need a mover and seconder the council

2619
01:58:02,960 --> 01:58:05,599
received the 2025 budget plan report for

2620
01:58:05,599 --> 01:58:07,880
information further the council approved

2621
01:58:07,880 --> 01:58:10,320
the 2025 wage increase using the 12

2622
01:58:10,320 --> 01:58:14,800
month July CPI of 2.5 as per human

2623
01:58:14,800 --> 01:58:17,239
resources 03 compensation and benefits

2624
01:58:17,239 --> 01:58:19,599
policy in the 2025 budget be drafted to

2625
01:58:19,599 --> 01:58:21,199
incorporate the economic increase

2626
01:58:21,199 --> 01:58:23,639
accordingly further the council approved

2627
01:58:23,639 --> 01:58:25,920
direct or provide Direction on the

2628
01:58:25,920 --> 01:58:28,599
maximum 2025 property tax increase

2629
01:58:28,599 --> 01:58:30,840
inclusive of the annual Asset Management

2630
01:58:30,840 --> 01:58:33,639
funding requirement of 3% and further

2631
01:58:33,639 --> 01:58:35,639
the council direct staff on any proposed

2632
01:58:35,639 --> 01:58:37,560
service level reductions or expansions

2633
01:58:37,560 --> 01:58:40,199
for 20125 moved by

2634
01:58:40,199 --> 01:58:42,520
counselors and Deputy Mayor Clark and

2635
01:58:42,520 --> 01:58:43,440
councelor

2636
01:58:43,440 --> 01:58:46,840
hinchberger all right so uh

2637
01:58:46,840 --> 01:58:50,040
for uh focus without wandering around

2638
01:58:50,040 --> 01:58:54,520
too much uh do you uh can we reach

2639
01:58:54,520 --> 01:58:57,119
consensus that we receive this budget

2640
01:58:57,119 --> 01:58:59,639
plan report for

2641
01:58:59,639 --> 01:59:02,239
information

2642
01:59:02,239 --> 01:59:06,199
okay uh next uh bullet here further the

2643
01:59:06,199 --> 01:59:09,159
council approved the 2025 wage increase

2644
01:59:09,159 --> 01:59:12,880
using the 12 Monon July CPI of 2.5 as

2645
01:59:12,880 --> 01:59:15,679
per our compensation and benefits policy

2646
01:59:15,679 --> 01:59:18,920
and it be incorporated in the uh draft

2647
01:59:18,920 --> 01:59:22,800
budget uh accordingly

2648
01:59:22,800 --> 01:59:24,880
okay we're good for

2649
01:59:24,880 --> 01:59:28,199
that uh further the TA Council provide

2650
01:59:28,199 --> 01:59:30,760
Direction on the maximum 2025 property

2651
01:59:30,760 --> 01:59:32,760
tax rate increase inclusive of the

2652
01:59:32,760 --> 01:59:34,560
annual Asset Management funding

2653
01:59:34,560 --> 01:59:35,800
requirement

2654
01:59:35,800 --> 01:59:38,719
3% uh I'd like some direction from our

2655
01:59:38,719 --> 01:59:40,719
man director of corporate

2656
01:59:40,719 --> 01:59:46,000
services uh when I read this uh it

2657
01:59:46,000 --> 01:59:49,000
wasn't what you're asking at this point

2658
01:59:49,000 --> 01:59:52,199
is not based on empirical and and

2659
01:59:52,199 --> 01:59:55,040
numerical evidence it's based on broadly

2660
01:59:55,040 --> 01:59:58,239
speaking where we at in our thought

2661
01:59:58,239 --> 02:00:01,000
process we we know that there we read

2662
02:00:01,000 --> 02:00:03,560
your report we read the influences on

2663
02:00:03,560 --> 02:00:07,280
our budget and I I think what you're

2664
02:00:07,280 --> 02:00:09,800
saying is H do we agree with the 2 to

2665
02:00:09,800 --> 02:00:13,560
four 4 to six 6 to8 8 to 10 that sort of

2666
02:00:13,560 --> 02:00:15,480
thing is that is that what you're

2667
02:00:15,480 --> 02:00:17,760
looking for director yeah through you

2668
02:00:17,760 --> 02:00:20,040
mayor so um in the context of the report

2669
02:00:20,040 --> 02:00:21,520
and the information that's provided and

2670
02:00:21,520 --> 02:00:23,199
I do have a couple of updates to share

2671
02:00:23,199 --> 02:00:26,199
with Council but um yeah everything that

2672
02:00:26,199 --> 02:00:27,800
has been provided in the report is based

2673
02:00:27,800 --> 02:00:29,520
on the existing service levels and the

2674
02:00:29,520 --> 02:00:31,360
cost to continue providing the services

2675
02:00:31,360 --> 02:00:32,679
that we are already providing the

2676
02:00:32,679 --> 02:00:35,079
community so knowing what's in the

2677
02:00:35,079 --> 02:00:37,239
report with respect to the expected tax

2678
02:00:37,239 --> 02:00:40,040
rate increases um and I'll I'll provide

2679
02:00:40,040 --> 02:00:42,199
my update now if that's okay or did you

2680
02:00:42,199 --> 02:00:45,280
want me to wait uh no uh additional

2681
02:00:45,280 --> 02:00:47,719
information is is a good thing so if you

2682
02:00:47,719 --> 02:00:50,560
could if you could provide any factors

2683
02:00:50,560 --> 02:00:53,400
that are influenc our our thought

2684
02:00:53,400 --> 02:00:55,719
process one way or the other and if I

2685
02:00:55,719 --> 02:00:56,960
heard you

2686
02:00:56,960 --> 02:01:00,920
correctly um and and if I'm thinking the

2687
02:01:00,920 --> 02:01:03,639
logically the way this goes we are we're

2688
02:01:03,639 --> 02:01:07,480
thinking of that comfortable number

2689
02:01:07,480 --> 02:01:11,239
politically correct number based on

2690
02:01:11,239 --> 02:01:14,360
identical service levels from last

2691
02:01:14,360 --> 02:01:17,000
year and if we adjust the service up or

2692
02:01:17,000 --> 02:01:19,159
down then that changes the tax rate up

2693
02:01:19,159 --> 02:01:19,880
or

2694
02:01:19,880 --> 02:01:22,320
down so through you I would say like

2695
02:01:22,320 --> 02:01:25,360
what is a realistic um tax rate increase

2696
02:01:25,360 --> 02:01:27,719
if there's a maximum that Council wants

2697
02:01:27,719 --> 02:01:30,360
because um so to proceed with my update

2698
02:01:30,360 --> 02:01:32,400
so if we're looking at the chart that's

2699
02:01:32,400 --> 02:01:34,159
provided in the report with respect to

2700
02:01:34,159 --> 02:01:37,599
the total preliminary budget impacts um

2701
02:01:37,599 --> 02:01:40,079
currently we have a it's just a

2702
02:01:40,079 --> 02:01:41,440
preliminary there's lots of things that

2703
02:01:41,440 --> 02:01:42,599
are still going to change but at this

2704
02:01:42,599 --> 02:01:44,320
point in time we had an operating budget

2705
02:01:44,320 --> 02:01:47,079
impact estimated at 1. 1633 million so

2706
02:01:47,079 --> 02:01:50,360
what that means is an additional um Levy

2707
02:01:50,360 --> 02:01:53,040
requirement of 1.63 3 million in some

2708
02:01:53,040 --> 02:01:54,639
fashion whether it be taxes or through

2709
02:01:54,639 --> 02:01:58,360
rate increases um and so that is

2710
02:01:58,360 --> 02:02:00,320
currently sitting at a tax rate impact

2711
02:02:00,320 --> 02:02:01,400
of

2712
02:02:01,400 --> 02:02:06,079
8.17% or a tax levy impact of 7% um the

2713
02:02:06,079 --> 02:02:08,639
additional um information that we have

2714
02:02:08,639 --> 02:02:10,679
is respect to the policing costs so we

2715
02:02:10,679 --> 02:02:13,840
received the 2025 um op policing costs

2716
02:02:13,840 --> 02:02:17,159
for next year and the uh it's projected

2717
02:02:17,159 --> 02:02:19,520
to increase by

2718
02:02:19,520 --> 02:02:23,040
$268,000 and the impact of that is .

2719
02:02:23,040 --> 02:02:26,119
37% um in addition um proceeding with

2720
02:02:26,119 --> 02:02:29,199
the 2024 Market study um the impact of

2721
02:02:29,199 --> 02:02:30,840
that is uh

2722
02:02:30,840 --> 02:02:34,400
$270,000 and that's a 1.38% so if I was

2723
02:02:34,400 --> 02:02:37,560
to recreate this template today um it

2724
02:02:37,560 --> 02:02:38,560
would not be

2725
02:02:38,560 --> 02:02:42,360
8.17% it would be a starting point of

2726
02:02:42,360 --> 02:02:45,440
10.88% um so that would be my request to

2727
02:02:45,440 --> 02:02:47,679
council is that understanding what the

2728
02:02:47,679 --> 02:02:50,360
factors are in terms of our um pressures

2729
02:02:50,360 --> 02:02:52,679
that we're seeing externally what is the

2730
02:02:52,679 --> 02:02:55,880
reasonable or maximum rate increase um

2731
02:02:55,880 --> 02:02:58,679
that you would be expecting of of staff

2732
02:02:58,679 --> 02:03:00,960
to come back with for the budget um as

2733
02:03:00,960 --> 02:03:02,760
well as Direction on whether that is to

2734
02:03:02,760 --> 02:03:05,920
include a 3% Asset Management plan Levy

2735
02:03:05,920 --> 02:03:07,360
unlike last year where that was not

2736
02:03:07,360 --> 02:03:09,199
included so that's the kind of thing we

2737
02:03:09,199 --> 02:03:11,760
would be looking for direction

2738
02:03:11,760 --> 02:03:14,199
on any counselor like to begin the

2739
02:03:14,199 --> 02:03:17,480
discussion on that one oh come

2740
02:03:17,480 --> 02:03:20,119
on everybody has to tie their shoe right

2741
02:03:20,119 --> 02:03:22,760
now don't they um councelor Blackwell

2742
02:03:22,760 --> 02:03:24,040
how be you

2743
02:03:24,040 --> 02:03:26,639
start uh thank you through you I don't

2744
02:03:26,639 --> 02:03:27,719
think that this will be a surprise

2745
02:03:27,719 --> 02:03:29,480
coming for me but um I certainly would

2746
02:03:29,480 --> 02:03:32,400
like us to see um us funding our at

2747
02:03:32,400 --> 02:03:35,480
least 3% um annual increase comp

2748
02:03:35,480 --> 02:03:38,239
contribution for our amp I um advocated

2749
02:03:38,239 --> 02:03:39,760
for it strongly last year I think it's

2750
02:03:39,760 --> 02:03:42,000
incredibly important that we start with

2751
02:03:42,000 --> 02:03:45,109
that as a

2752
02:03:45,119 --> 02:03:49,119
base do you have a number number in your

2753
02:03:49,119 --> 02:03:51,920
head that where you're

2754
02:03:51,920 --> 02:03:54,840
where you're comfortable at starting or

2755
02:03:54,840 --> 02:03:57,440
maximum number give us a or or if not

2756
02:03:57,440 --> 02:03:59,400
you don't you can pass on it and wait

2757
02:03:59,400 --> 02:04:03,079
till we go around again um looking at

2758
02:04:03,079 --> 02:04:05,760
these figures and the sums that came

2759
02:04:05,760 --> 02:04:08,400
forward politically I'm comfortable with

2760
02:04:08,400 --> 02:04:11,719
as high as 8% um I'm not sure 100% how

2761
02:04:11,719 --> 02:04:14,199
we're going to get there but certainly

2762
02:04:14,199 --> 02:04:16,119
um I wouldn't necessarily want to see it

2763
02:04:16,119 --> 02:04:18,000
over

2764
02:04:18,000 --> 02:04:21,159
that councelor hinchberger please thank

2765
02:04:21,159 --> 02:04:24,639
you to you ch I I have a Max increase

2766
02:04:24,639 --> 02:04:27,320
ceiling of 8% with a target of seven

2767
02:04:27,320 --> 02:04:31,400
that's inclusive of the 3% for uh Asset

2768
02:04:31,400 --> 02:04:32,480
Management

2769
02:04:32,480 --> 02:04:33,920
[Music]

2770
02:04:33,920 --> 02:04:36,920
um I guess a lot comes down to trying to

2771
02:04:36,920 --> 02:04:39,119
gauge based on very little public input

2772
02:04:39,119 --> 02:04:41,800
what the appetite is for maintaining

2773
02:04:41,800 --> 02:04:43,599
everything no matter how high it goes

2774
02:04:43,599 --> 02:04:45,679
and we all I think have very different

2775
02:04:45,679 --> 02:04:47,639
opinions about what we think the the

2776
02:04:47,639 --> 02:04:50,239
appetite in the community uh is for that

2777
02:04:50,239 --> 02:04:54,280
but uh yeah eight eight Max uh Target

2778
02:04:54,280 --> 02:04:58,990
stretch Target of

2779
02:04:59,000 --> 02:05:01,280
seven anyone

2780
02:05:01,280 --> 02:05:04,440
else councelor Stewart please it

2781
02:05:04,440 --> 02:05:06,760
wouldn't be tax time unless councelor

2782
02:05:06,760 --> 02:05:08,679
Stewart talks about something through

2783
02:05:08,679 --> 02:05:11,360
you chair I would uh recommend uh

2784
02:05:11,360 --> 02:05:14,960
anywhere from the six to 8% Target um I

2785
02:05:14,960 --> 02:05:17,400
think that would be fair I think the

2786
02:05:17,400 --> 02:05:19,000
community understands that we're

2787
02:05:19,000 --> 02:05:22,800
fighting some tough issues but but um

2788
02:05:22,800 --> 02:05:25,559
they're they're getting to the point

2789
02:05:25,559 --> 02:05:28,000
that uh their pocketbooks are getting

2790
02:05:28,000 --> 02:05:30,520
tight too so you know 68 would be

2791
02:05:30,520 --> 02:05:32,639
something that I would be able to agree

2792
02:05:32,639 --> 02:05:35,589
to thank

2793
02:05:35,599 --> 02:05:38,599
you boun st off

2794
02:05:38,599 --> 02:05:41,360
great thank you through you chair I'm

2795
02:05:41,360 --> 02:05:43,679
also aligned with like the six to 8%

2796
02:05:43,679 --> 02:05:46,159
Mark um understanding we'd need to be at

2797
02:05:46,159 --> 02:05:47,800
8% one thing that I would just

2798
02:05:47,800 --> 02:05:50,199
acknowledge is um thank you to the

2799
02:05:50,199 --> 02:05:52,480
director for providing all the survey

2800
02:05:52,480 --> 02:05:54,840
data that you did um I went through all

2801
02:05:54,840 --> 02:05:57,320
the detailed comments and it doesn't

2802
02:05:57,320 --> 02:05:59,239
look like there's an appetite to reduce

2803
02:05:59,239 --> 02:06:01,079
any of the services that we currently

2804
02:06:01,079 --> 02:06:03,679
have So based on that

2805
02:06:03,679 --> 02:06:05,599
feedback it actually sound out like

2806
02:06:05,599 --> 02:06:07,239
there was some desire to increase but I

2807
02:06:07,239 --> 02:06:08,480
don't know that that's necessarily

2808
02:06:08,480 --> 02:06:11,119
reflective of everyone so that would

2809
02:06:11,119 --> 02:06:13,480
make me comfortable at that 8% to try to

2810
02:06:13,480 --> 02:06:15,760
maintain what we're doing um I think

2811
02:06:15,760 --> 02:06:17,719
it's a realistic number um so that's

2812
02:06:17,719 --> 02:06:21,830
where I'm sitting

2813
02:06:21,840 --> 02:06:24,280
councelor Cavanaugh thank you very much

2814
02:06:24,280 --> 02:06:26,159
and through the chair I I I want to Echo

2815
02:06:26,159 --> 02:06:27,840
counselor steinhoff Gray's comments

2816
02:06:27,840 --> 02:06:30,960
about the survey data uh it of all the

2817
02:06:30,960 --> 02:06:32,800
respondents it provides a very

2818
02:06:32,800 --> 02:06:34,199
interesting picture especially with they

2819
02:06:34,199 --> 02:06:37,639
fill in messages as well um it really

2820
02:06:37,639 --> 02:06:39,239
seems across the board that a lot of

2821
02:06:39,239 --> 02:06:40,960
people are in favor of maintaining and

2822
02:06:40,960 --> 02:06:44,400
taking care of what we have um

2823
02:06:44,400 --> 02:06:46,199
unfortunately that is going to cost a

2824
02:06:46,199 --> 02:06:48,760
significant increase just to make that

2825
02:06:48,760 --> 02:06:50,840
number work so if if we're throwing

2826
02:06:50,840 --> 02:06:53,480
numbers on a wall I I don't think anyone

2827
02:06:53,480 --> 02:06:55,280
would be on board with a double digit

2828
02:06:55,280 --> 02:06:57,079
increase if you asked a member of the

2829
02:06:57,079 --> 02:06:58,920
public to maintain things but I'm

2830
02:06:58,920 --> 02:07:04,030
willing to go as high as

2831
02:07:04,040 --> 02:07:06,360
9.99 you know there were three numbers

2832
02:07:06,360 --> 02:07:07,920
involved or

2833
02:07:07,920 --> 02:07:11,760
not okay but only one before the decimal

2834
02:07:11,760 --> 02:07:14,870
right

2835
02:07:14,880 --> 02:07:18,639
on uh coun uh councelor pringer you

2836
02:07:18,639 --> 02:07:21,360
haven't had a chance to speak yet thank

2837
02:07:21,360 --> 02:07:25,280
you through your chair um well I too had

2838
02:07:25,280 --> 02:07:27,920
reviewed the survey data and noticed

2839
02:07:27,920 --> 02:07:30,559
that same Trend that there's it seemed

2840
02:07:30,559 --> 02:07:32,400
like there was a little appetite for

2841
02:07:32,400 --> 02:07:35,520
reducing most of our services at least

2842
02:07:35,520 --> 02:07:38,599
um I've actually gotten extremely the

2843
02:07:38,599 --> 02:07:41,159
opposite feedback in person from people

2844
02:07:41,159 --> 02:07:43,040
so I struggle to reconcile those two

2845
02:07:43,040 --> 02:07:47,960
things at the moment um I think that at

2846
02:07:47,960 --> 02:07:52,040
this point in our term um I'm hoping

2847
02:07:52,040 --> 02:07:53,719
counselors are a little more comfortable

2848
02:07:53,719 --> 02:07:54,440
with

2849
02:07:54,440 --> 02:07:58,840
being uh a little more assertive and and

2850
02:07:58,840 --> 02:08:00,800
assertive and actually looking at our

2851
02:08:00,800 --> 02:08:03,679
services and trying to figure out how we

2852
02:08:03,679 --> 02:08:05,679
can be more efficient or effective in

2853
02:08:05,679 --> 02:08:07,320
order to save some costs so we don't

2854
02:08:07,320 --> 02:08:09,199
have to reduce the services themselves

2855
02:08:09,199 --> 02:08:12,119
but maybe do them more effectively not

2856
02:08:12,119 --> 02:08:14,320
that we do a bad job or staff does a bad

2857
02:08:14,320 --> 02:08:15,760
job that's not what I'm saying there's

2858
02:08:15,760 --> 02:08:17,599
always room for improvement in anything

2859
02:08:17,599 --> 02:08:20,840
anyone does though so to look for

2860
02:08:20,840 --> 02:08:23,880
efficiencies so that we can keep our um

2861
02:08:23,880 --> 02:08:26,400
our tax rate increase as low as possible

2862
02:08:26,400 --> 02:08:30,440
is what I'm looking for and uh I I

2863
02:08:30,440 --> 02:08:33,000
struggle to go to go any higher than

2864
02:08:33,000 --> 02:08:34,760
seven or eight that would be scary for

2865
02:08:34,760 --> 02:08:37,760
me I mean I I know just like anyone else

2866
02:08:37,760 --> 02:08:41,000
single income it's not easy to um have a

2867
02:08:41,000 --> 02:08:44,000
huge jump but I also agree that uh the

2868
02:08:44,000 --> 02:08:47,280
3% for Asset Management uh fund is very

2869
02:08:47,280 --> 02:08:49,159
important it's I struggled not putting

2870
02:08:49,159 --> 02:08:50,719
that in last year so I think we need to

2871
02:08:50,719 --> 02:08:52,880
do it and we just have to get creative

2872
02:08:52,880 --> 02:08:55,639
this year uh creative in a way that we

2873
02:08:55,639 --> 02:08:57,199
didn't last year we were creative last

2874
02:08:57,199 --> 02:08:59,079
year in a couple ways but uh I think we

2875
02:08:59,079 --> 02:09:01,639
gotta not repeat those we did that as a

2876
02:09:01,639 --> 02:09:05,079
onetime fix I agree but creative in

2877
02:09:05,079 --> 02:09:08,589
other ways

2878
02:09:08,599 --> 02:09:11,520
than councelor Blackwell you had a

2879
02:09:11,520 --> 02:09:14,079
question uh yes thank you my question

2880
02:09:14,079 --> 02:09:16,760
was I through you was just related to

2881
02:09:16,760 --> 02:09:19,840
when we may get updates I was just

2882
02:09:19,840 --> 02:09:22,280
briefly looking at the um kind of

2883
02:09:22,280 --> 02:09:23,920
summary sheet we had in the beginning of

2884
02:09:23,920 --> 02:09:29,520
the 2024 budget and one of the um very

2885
02:09:29,520 --> 02:09:32,520
uh favorable varibles perhaps was the um

2886
02:09:32,520 --> 02:09:34,840
property tax assessment growth do you

2887
02:09:34,840 --> 02:09:36,599
know when we find that out and what the

2888
02:09:36,599 --> 02:09:38,280
impact may be considering the amount of

2889
02:09:38,280 --> 02:09:40,199
building that we've been having

2890
02:09:40,199 --> 02:09:42,520
lately so through you so that's actually

2891
02:09:42,520 --> 02:09:44,159
one of the last things that is finalized

2892
02:09:44,159 --> 02:09:45,760
when we get the final tax R and it's

2893
02:09:45,760 --> 02:09:47,079
usually the end of the first week of

2894
02:09:47,079 --> 02:09:49,239
December so because we're trying to have

2895
02:09:49,239 --> 02:09:51,199
the um the first budget meeting a little

2896
02:09:51,199 --> 02:09:53,280
B earlier this year I don't even know if

2897
02:09:53,280 --> 02:09:54,480
I'll have that by the time the

2898
02:09:54,480 --> 02:09:56,920
presentation is is put together I might

2899
02:09:56,920 --> 02:09:58,480
have that as a speaking point but it may

2900
02:09:58,480 --> 02:10:03,229
not be reflected in the

2901
02:10:03,239 --> 02:10:07,679
documents okay so just from uh the

2902
02:10:07,679 --> 02:10:09,360
comments that have been made around the

2903
02:10:09,360 --> 02:10:15,440
table it um I would uh provide Direction

2904
02:10:15,440 --> 02:10:17,599
I would offer the direction to our

2905
02:10:17,599 --> 02:10:20,599
director of corporate services that the

2906
02:10:20,599 --> 02:10:23,760
maximum 2025 property tax rate increase

2907
02:10:23,760 --> 02:10:26,079
inclusive of inclusive of the annual

2908
02:10:26,079 --> 02:10:28,880
Asset Management funding requirement uh

2909
02:10:28,880 --> 02:10:30,280
I'm going to I'm going to put the number

2910
02:10:30,280 --> 02:10:31,320
eight on

2911
02:10:31,320 --> 02:10:34,040
it I've heard six to eight I've heard

2912
02:10:34,040 --> 02:10:37,320
9.99 but I you know broadly speaking the

2913
02:10:37,320 --> 02:10:41,400
number 6 to8 so you can say that but I'm

2914
02:10:41,400 --> 02:10:42,520
going to guess that the number is going

2915
02:10:42,520 --> 02:10:44,800
to be eight if you if you provide that

2916
02:10:44,800 --> 02:10:46,320
range the number is going to end up

2917
02:10:46,320 --> 02:10:48,760
eight we're going to look at the

2918
02:10:48,760 --> 02:10:50,480
assessment growth which will have an

2919
02:10:50,480 --> 02:10:54,040
effect on the tax rate the next item is

2920
02:10:54,040 --> 02:10:58,400
the service level uh uh reductions or

2921
02:10:58,400 --> 02:11:00,480
expansions so there's there's that

2922
02:11:00,480 --> 02:11:02,040
sleeve that's going to slide a little

2923
02:11:02,040 --> 02:11:05,239
bit uh is comfortable is Council

2924
02:11:05,239 --> 02:11:09,599
comfortable offering a uh a number of uh

2925
02:11:09,599 --> 02:11:13,830
8% for the tax

2926
02:11:13,840 --> 02:11:18,159
rate 7 to 8%

2927
02:11:18,159 --> 02:11:19,719
okay

2928
02:11:19,719 --> 02:11:22,320
7.99 okay

2929
02:11:22,320 --> 02:11:23,480
uh as

2930
02:11:23,480 --> 02:11:27,440
Council uh I I did not say in any way

2931
02:11:27,440 --> 02:11:29,559
that that is the final tax rate I'm

2932
02:11:29,559 --> 02:11:31,679
saying that's the direction that we're

2933
02:11:31,679 --> 02:11:35,679
giving staff to create the draft budget

2934
02:11:35,679 --> 02:11:39,079
in the 8% range uh councelor Stein off

2935
02:11:39,079 --> 02:11:41,000
gray please um thank you through you

2936
02:11:41,000 --> 02:11:43,079
chair I'm I'm quite comfortable with

2937
02:11:43,079 --> 02:11:45,280
that as being our direction to staff I

2938
02:11:45,280 --> 02:11:46,520
would be comfortable putting that

2939
02:11:46,520 --> 02:11:49,360
forward as a number um the only thing I

2940
02:11:49,360 --> 02:11:52,159
would ask is if there's an opportunity

2941
02:11:52,159 --> 02:11:54,119
if we could I don't know whether it's a

2942
02:11:54,119 --> 02:11:55,520
point where we have to provide direction

2943
02:11:55,520 --> 02:11:57,639
to staff but I do think as a group we

2944
02:11:57,639 --> 02:11:59,119
should be discussing some of the

2945
02:11:59,119 --> 02:12:01,239
comments where they took the time to put

2946
02:12:01,239 --> 02:12:02,800
um comments into the survey I

2947
02:12:02,800 --> 02:12:06,119
categorized them I made categories and

2948
02:12:06,119 --> 02:12:08,520
chunked them together so that I could

2949
02:12:08,520 --> 02:12:10,400
look at them holistically based on the

2950
02:12:10,400 --> 02:12:12,840
themes that were emerging and I do think

2951
02:12:12,840 --> 02:12:15,199
that in preparation for our budget

2952
02:12:15,199 --> 02:12:17,199
deliberations and that final number that

2953
02:12:17,199 --> 02:12:19,440
we end up with we need to look at those

2954
02:12:19,440 --> 02:12:23,270
concerns and considerations

2955
02:12:23,280 --> 02:12:25,880
um is that the sort of thing through our

2956
02:12:25,880 --> 02:12:28,800
cioo is that the sort of thing that uh

2957
02:12:28,800 --> 02:12:30,719
the councelor could provide

2958
02:12:30,719 --> 02:12:33,480
her uh spreadsheet or however you chunk

2959
02:12:33,480 --> 02:12:36,840
them together no it's likely is it it's

2960
02:12:36,840 --> 02:12:39,400
it's likely far more sophisticated than

2961
02:12:39,400 --> 02:12:41,520
that I'm sorry that's that's that's my

2962
02:12:41,520 --> 02:12:44,199
latest computer update my Commodore 64

2963
02:12:44,199 --> 02:12:46,960
got to a spreadsheet and I'm so excited

2964
02:12:46,960 --> 02:12:50,639
but if if you could no seriously if you

2965
02:12:50,639 --> 02:12:53,040
could provide that to the CAO and you

2966
02:12:53,040 --> 02:12:55,480
know if we could if we could

2967
02:12:55,480 --> 02:12:57,599
categorize I could get it to Ping but it

2968
02:12:57,599 --> 02:13:00,400
would never pong back it was awful uh if

2969
02:13:00,400 --> 02:13:03,239
we could if we could get uh that those

2970
02:13:03,239 --> 02:13:05,320
comments to be included as part of the

2971
02:13:05,320 --> 02:13:07,679
budget discussion

2972
02:13:07,679 --> 02:13:09,719
uh okay is

2973
02:13:09,719 --> 02:13:14,440
that so um so just consensus that we're

2974
02:13:14,440 --> 02:13:17,639
heading for the 7 to 8% range we good

2975
02:13:17,639 --> 02:13:20,119
with that if so but that's it's not a

2976
02:13:20,119 --> 02:13:21,679
motion it's just consent ensus I just

2977
02:13:21,679 --> 02:13:24,199
want to see your hands

2978
02:13:24,199 --> 02:13:27,239
okay uh further the last part of this is

2979
02:13:27,239 --> 02:13:29,199
Council direct staff on any proposed

2980
02:13:29,199 --> 02:13:32,119
service level reductions or expansions

2981
02:13:32,119 --> 02:13:33,800
so if there are

2982
02:13:33,800 --> 02:13:39,440
any uh service level uh expansions or uh

2983
02:13:39,440 --> 02:13:41,840
contractions that you are thinking about

2984
02:13:41,840 --> 02:13:43,719
at this point this is opportunity to

2985
02:13:43,719 --> 02:13:46,000
raise them

2986
02:13:46,000 --> 02:13:50,119
uh um one must be slightly sensitive

2987
02:13:50,119 --> 02:13:53,440
what you talk about when you're saying

2988
02:13:53,440 --> 02:13:55,040
we're going to get rid of this or that

2989
02:13:55,040 --> 02:13:57,079
or something else but there are

2990
02:13:57,079 --> 02:14:02,079
opportunities between now and uh uh our

2991
02:14:02,079 --> 02:14:05,280
next budget meeting whereby the uh

2992
02:14:05,280 --> 02:14:08,639
director says oh somebody somebody has

2993
02:14:08,639 --> 02:14:12,000
has seen this as an area of efficiency

2994
02:14:12,000 --> 02:14:15,639
Improvement or a service reduction or

2995
02:14:15,639 --> 02:14:18,119
you know our community maybe needs to

2996
02:14:18,119 --> 02:14:20,440
spend a little bit this year so that

2997
02:14:20,440 --> 02:14:22,239
next year we get way more back or

2998
02:14:22,239 --> 02:14:24,280
something like that you know if there's

2999
02:14:24,280 --> 02:14:27,599
so I'm offering opportunity to present

3000
02:14:27,599 --> 02:14:31,280
service level changes now or uh there

3001
02:14:31,280 --> 02:14:34,199
must be a a manner in which they can do

3002
02:14:34,199 --> 02:14:36,760
that subsequent to this meeting before

3003
02:14:36,760 --> 02:14:38,520
our next because you know sometimes

3004
02:14:38,520 --> 02:14:40,599
there there needs to be a seed planted

3005
02:14:40,599 --> 02:14:42,119
and it doesn't grow until we get into

3006
02:14:42,119 --> 02:14:44,239
the discussion councelor hinchberger

3007
02:14:44,239 --> 02:14:46,599
please thank you through you chair I I

3008
02:14:46,599 --> 02:14:49,920
had two uh I would have called them more

3009
02:14:49,920 --> 02:14:52,480
adjustments and I can submit them

3010
02:14:52,480 --> 02:14:55,719
separately one of them was to um alter

3011
02:14:55,719 --> 02:14:57,960
the hours of operation at the concard

3012
02:14:57,960 --> 02:15:00,280
Waste Management Center on one day a

3013
02:15:00,280 --> 02:15:03,480
week in the summertime to shift it later

3014
02:15:03,480 --> 02:15:06,599
say from 12 to 6 or 12 to 7 to provide a

3015
02:15:06,599 --> 02:15:08,280
better level of service for people who

3016
02:15:08,280 --> 02:15:10,520
work the traditional Monday to Friday 9

3017
02:15:10,520 --> 02:15:13,040
to five jobs that was one uh I can wait

3018
02:15:13,040 --> 02:15:14,639
my turn for or give the next one right

3019
02:15:14,639 --> 02:15:17,719
now the other is uh I'd like to

3020
02:15:17,719 --> 02:15:20,079
understand what's required to what I

3021
02:15:20,079 --> 02:15:21,639
think would improve the efficiency of

3022
02:15:21,639 --> 02:15:23,880
our seasonal bylaw enforcement by

3023
02:15:23,880 --> 02:15:26,280
mobilizing them on bikes and to look at

3024
02:15:26,280 --> 02:15:28,960
the way we deploy them the majority of

3025
02:15:28,960 --> 02:15:31,400
the observations I've had from people

3026
02:15:31,400 --> 02:15:33,119
throughout the year and myself is they

3027
02:15:33,119 --> 02:15:36,119
tend to do whatever they do in pairs and

3028
02:15:36,119 --> 02:15:38,400
I would just like to know what are the

3029
02:15:38,400 --> 02:15:42,159
uh hurdles uh that would be necessary in

3030
02:15:42,159 --> 02:15:44,400
order to say implement the couple of the

3031
02:15:44,400 --> 02:15:45,360
things I

3032
02:15:45,360 --> 02:15:47,360
described transportation and make them

3033
02:15:47,360 --> 02:15:51,400
more efficient and uh have them uh work

3034
02:15:51,400 --> 02:15:53,559
more independently of each other that's

3035
02:15:53,559 --> 02:15:54,679
it that's

3036
02:15:54,679 --> 02:15:58,000
mine and it was a suggestion that like

3037
02:15:58,000 --> 02:16:00,480
ultimately didn't end up a lot more

3038
02:16:00,480 --> 02:16:02,639
savings or anything but there were hours

3039
02:16:02,639 --> 02:16:06,360
of operation for our Cemetery crew that

3040
02:16:06,360 --> 02:16:07,559
you know it doesn't make a big

3041
02:16:07,559 --> 02:16:09,520
difference as far as dollars and cents

3042
02:16:09,520 --> 02:16:12,239
but it makes a big difference as far as

3043
02:16:12,239 --> 02:16:14,639
uh quality of uh work work shifts you

3044
02:16:14,639 --> 02:16:17,239
know so there's it doesn't always have

3045
02:16:17,239 --> 02:16:20,159
to be uh dollars and cents if there is

3046
02:16:20,159 --> 02:16:22,239
an improvement in in working conditions

3047
02:16:22,239 --> 02:16:25,400
or or whatever those are all good things

3048
02:16:25,400 --> 02:16:29,679
so we have short of any other service

3049
02:16:29,679 --> 02:16:33,960
level comments we have

3050
02:16:33,960 --> 02:16:37,599
uh another one uh councelor St offr

3051
02:16:37,599 --> 02:16:41,280
please um thank you just one thing for

3052
02:16:41,280 --> 02:16:43,280
consideration um when we talk about

3053
02:16:43,280 --> 02:16:45,359
Waste Management because I know that a

3054
02:16:45,359 --> 02:16:48,040
number of questions have been asked um

3055
02:16:48,040 --> 02:16:49,960
and I don't want to negatively impact

3056
02:16:49,960 --> 02:16:52,120
our attempts to keep a reasonable

3057
02:16:52,120 --> 02:16:56,160
increase to our budget so um in

3058
02:16:56,160 --> 02:16:58,960
clarifying that I continue to get

3059
02:16:58,960 --> 02:17:01,240
questions about the ward 3 dump um and I

3060
02:17:01,240 --> 02:17:02,719
know that was one of the few places

3061
02:17:02,719 --> 02:17:05,240
where you could drop off brush for free

3062
02:17:05,240 --> 02:17:07,960
um previous to so in addition to the

3063
02:17:07,960 --> 02:17:10,319
hours of operation I think um one of the

3064
02:17:10,319 --> 02:17:12,399
things I would like to look at is how

3065
02:17:12,399 --> 02:17:13,760
whether or not there's

3066
02:17:13,760 --> 02:17:16,840
flexibility in the hours of operation in

3067
02:17:16,840 --> 02:17:19,319
which facilities we're at and when and

3068
02:17:19,319 --> 02:17:21,559
if that that impacts us

3069
02:17:21,559 --> 02:17:23,200
that's fine I just I'd like to

3070
02:17:23,200 --> 02:17:24,760
understand it and consider it previous

3071
02:17:24,760 --> 02:17:26,960
to our budget discussions just so that

3072
02:17:26,960 --> 02:17:28,880
we have that on the table and one of the

3073
02:17:28,880 --> 02:17:30,960
major themes that's come up even on

3074
02:17:30,960 --> 02:17:33,439
social media and we all know I try to

3075
02:17:33,439 --> 02:17:36,280
say off social media but the ReUse It

3076
02:17:36,280 --> 02:17:38,479
Center a lot of folks did actually use

3077
02:17:38,479 --> 02:17:40,160
that and they missed the service that it

3078
02:17:40,160 --> 02:17:42,000
provided for them to get materials and

3079
02:17:42,000 --> 02:17:44,160
so if there was a creative way to not

3080
02:17:44,160 --> 02:17:45,800
lose control of that Center where we

3081
02:17:45,800 --> 02:17:48,319
have garbage being dumped um as opposed

3082
02:17:48,319 --> 02:17:51,880
to properly managed um but but had the

3083
02:17:51,880 --> 02:17:54,399
good items that folks could leverage

3084
02:17:54,399 --> 02:17:56,599
that need it in the community I I just

3085
02:17:56,599 --> 02:17:57,920
I'd like to consider it as part of the

3086
02:17:57,920 --> 02:18:00,750
budget as

3087
02:18:00,760 --> 02:18:04,160
all uh Deputy Mayor please I'm actually

3088
02:18:04,160 --> 02:18:05,559
wondering if it's going to be perhaps

3089
02:18:05,559 --> 02:18:07,319
more efficient and effective for us to

3090
02:18:07,319 --> 02:18:09,200
do this in writing prior to the next

3091
02:18:09,200 --> 02:18:11,840
meeting um is there is that going to be

3092
02:18:11,840 --> 02:18:13,319
the preference that we just sort of

3093
02:18:13,319 --> 02:18:16,120
perhaps send um our

3094
02:18:16,120 --> 02:18:19,519
suggestions prior to the next

3095
02:18:19,519 --> 02:18:23,719
meeting I I appreciate that suggestion

3096
02:18:23,719 --> 02:18:26,719
but there you know there is real value I

3097
02:18:26,719 --> 02:18:29,599
believe in like there there are some

3098
02:18:29,599 --> 02:18:31,800
things uh you know we're GNA we're going

3099
02:18:31,800 --> 02:18:33,160
to talk about the landfill we're going

3100
02:18:33,160 --> 02:18:34,920
to talk about hours of operation we're

3101
02:18:34,920 --> 02:18:37,639
going to talk about efficiency there's

3102
02:18:37,639 --> 02:18:39,920
uh I I do not disagree with submitting

3103
02:18:39,920 --> 02:18:42,599
them in writing but I and maybe you

3104
02:18:42,599 --> 02:18:45,160
should just to make sure that the

3105
02:18:45,160 --> 02:18:46,960
director gets the intent of what you

3106
02:18:46,960 --> 02:18:48,880
were talking about but there is real

3107
02:18:48,880 --> 02:18:52,840
value in speaking out the changes that

3108
02:18:52,840 --> 02:18:56,280
we might be thinking about so uh uh I

3109
02:18:56,280 --> 02:18:58,200
think it's a both and if I might be so

3110
02:18:58,200 --> 02:19:00,200
bold as to suggest that Deputy Mayor

3111
02:19:00,200 --> 02:19:02,439
councelor Stewart you had your hand up

3112
02:19:02,439 --> 02:19:04,559
please thank you very much for you chair

3113
02:19:04,559 --> 02:19:06,359
are we GNA talk about the other two

3114
02:19:06,359 --> 02:19:08,200
items that are attachment the Legacy

3115
02:19:08,200 --> 02:19:11,479
fund and the uh full-time summary I know

3116
02:19:11,479 --> 02:19:15,280
it's not part of the exact motion or the

3117
02:19:15,280 --> 02:19:18,479
direction but they are sort of

3118
02:19:18,479 --> 02:19:21,559
important uh they are important I concur

3119
02:19:21,559 --> 02:19:24,080
but uh honestly they are not part of

3120
02:19:24,080 --> 02:19:26,679
this motion so yes yes we will talk

3121
02:19:26,679 --> 02:19:29,040
about them but it it's not going to be

3122
02:19:29,040 --> 02:19:31,880
uh tonight on this councelor stof gray

3123
02:19:31,880 --> 02:19:33,760
please thank you through you chair and

3124
02:19:33,760 --> 02:19:36,800
this would be um for our director of

3125
02:19:36,800 --> 02:19:40,040
Parks and Recreation behind me commun

3126
02:19:40,040 --> 02:19:43,719
say versus sorry um thank you Council

3127
02:19:43,719 --> 02:19:46,319
hburg um one of the other themes that

3128
02:19:46,319 --> 02:19:49,240
came out in my Bing activity um some

3129
02:19:49,240 --> 02:19:51,560
folks um again this isn't my own

3130
02:19:51,560 --> 02:19:53,080
research but I think it's something we

3131
02:19:53,080 --> 02:19:54,560
should look at they had acknowledged

3132
02:19:54,560 --> 02:19:57,720
that we had 35 parks and 21 playgrounds

3133
02:19:57,720 --> 02:20:00,040
and I have not confirm this information

3134
02:20:00,040 --> 02:20:03,280
this was survey respondents um but one

3135
02:20:03,280 --> 02:20:04,840
of the things they talked about is there

3136
02:20:04,840 --> 02:20:07,000
a way to reconcile some of our Parks so

3137
02:20:07,000 --> 02:20:10,720
that we are um putting really targeted

3138
02:20:10,720 --> 02:20:12,600
Focus area on what we're doing in

3139
02:20:12,600 --> 02:20:14,520
specific locations as opposed to trying

3140
02:20:14,520 --> 02:20:16,160
to really overstretch ourselves with

3141
02:20:16,160 --> 02:20:18,800
spraw um I don't know the answer to that

3142
02:20:18,800 --> 02:20:20,080
question it might be that we want to

3143
02:20:20,080 --> 02:20:23,800
maintain 35 and 21 um but I would be

3144
02:20:23,800 --> 02:20:26,800
curious for staff's um opinion on that

3145
02:20:26,800 --> 02:20:28,280
because one of the themes that seems to

3146
02:20:28,280 --> 02:20:30,520
be coming out is what can we

3147
02:20:30,520 --> 02:20:32,840
reconcile um so that we get the service

3148
02:20:32,840 --> 02:20:34,880
we want without overextending ourselves

3149
02:20:34,880 --> 02:20:37,800
and that theme um seems to be something

3150
02:20:37,800 --> 02:20:39,399
that goes through all the different

3151
02:20:39,399 --> 02:20:42,160
areas that we're looking at so um I

3152
02:20:42,160 --> 02:20:43,720
think it's something we have to look at

3153
02:20:43,720 --> 02:20:45,000
and even when we talk about like

3154
02:20:45,000 --> 02:20:46,399
washroom maintenance and the different

3155
02:20:46,399 --> 02:20:48,120
things there one of the things we talked

3156
02:20:48,120 --> 02:20:50,200
about in our strategic meeting that I

3157
02:20:50,200 --> 02:20:53,080
again think we need to look at is what

3158
02:20:53,080 --> 02:20:55,080
cost we've had through vandalism and

3159
02:20:55,080 --> 02:20:57,640
other situations because we haven't we

3160
02:20:57,640 --> 02:21:00,240
have been too pulled I'm going to say

3161
02:21:00,240 --> 02:21:02,560
too pulled to actually get our eyes on

3162
02:21:02,560 --> 02:21:03,720
what we need to get our eyes on

3163
02:21:03,720 --> 02:21:06,920
necessarily so I would really I would I

3164
02:21:06,920 --> 02:21:08,880
would really appreciate the staff's

3165
02:21:08,880 --> 02:21:13,200
thoughts on um the cost of our lack of

3166
02:21:13,200 --> 02:21:15,680
presence um to understand whether

3167
02:21:15,680 --> 02:21:17,840
increasing some Services May decrease

3168
02:21:17,840 --> 02:21:20,880
costs on intended through um rectifying

3169
02:21:20,880 --> 02:21:23,640
those situations so that is a lens I

3170
02:21:23,640 --> 02:21:25,840
would like to see on that budget if

3171
02:21:25,840 --> 02:21:29,230
that's

3172
02:21:29,240 --> 02:21:31,920
possible kind of an efficiency

3173
02:21:31,920 --> 02:21:34,200
thing uh Deputy Mayor we did you have

3174
02:21:34,200 --> 02:21:37,600
another comment I could comment um I

3175
02:21:37,600 --> 02:21:40,600
think one of my things will be um in

3176
02:21:40,600 --> 02:21:41,880
relation to the accessibility I know

3177
02:21:41,880 --> 02:21:44,640
that we were uh provided some funding to

3178
02:21:44,640 --> 02:21:46,880
go through the catalog of issues and we

3179
02:21:46,880 --> 02:21:49,479
are currently as the accessibility

3180
02:21:49,479 --> 02:21:52,520
committee looking at um updating that

3181
02:21:52,520 --> 02:21:53,960
catalog of issues and getting some work

3182
02:21:53,960 --> 02:21:57,680
done I know that the last budget we were

3183
02:21:57,680 --> 02:21:59,600
looking very much through a lenss of

3184
02:21:59,600 --> 02:22:01,479
accessibility so I think for for me that

3185
02:22:01,479 --> 02:22:03,319
will be certainly one where one of my

3186
02:22:03,319 --> 02:22:10,190
focuses is this

3187
02:22:10,200 --> 02:22:13,120
budget so we have the motion before us

3188
02:22:13,120 --> 02:22:16,240
we've gone through the item by item we I

3189
02:22:16,240 --> 02:22:18,800
believe we've reached consensus so we

3190
02:22:18,800 --> 02:22:20,120
have a mover and secondary that we

3191
02:22:20,120 --> 02:22:22,240
received the budget for information or

3192
02:22:22,240 --> 02:22:24,040
the the report for

3193
02:22:24,040 --> 02:22:28,600
information uh we uh approve the 2025

3194
02:22:28,600 --> 02:22:32,000
wage increase using the July CPI of

3195
02:22:32,000 --> 02:22:34,600
2.5% uh We've provided Direction on the

3196
02:22:34,600 --> 02:22:37,880
maximum 2025 property tax rate increase

3197
02:22:37,880 --> 02:22:40,439
inclusive of the asset management

3198
02:22:40,439 --> 02:22:44,960
funding and we uh have uh directed staff

3199
02:22:44,960 --> 02:22:47,520
on any proposed service level reductions

3200
02:22:47,520 --> 02:22:49,600
and we've also provided an option to

3201
02:22:49,600 --> 02:22:52,319
provide any subsequent ones in writing

3202
02:22:52,319 --> 02:22:54,920
or conversation if if that is your

3203
02:22:54,920 --> 02:22:58,200
choice uh all in favor of the motion

3204
02:22:58,200 --> 02:23:01,439
anyone opposed that's carried well

3205
02:23:01,439 --> 02:23:05,240
done uh 2025 Consolidated rates and fees

3206
02:23:05,240 --> 02:23:06,760
we need a moover and second that the

3207
02:23:06,760 --> 02:23:08,920
council approve the proposed 2025

3208
02:23:08,920 --> 02:23:10,760
Consolidated rates and fee schedule as

3209
02:23:10,760 --> 02:23:12,319
outline in staff report Financial

3210
02:23:12,319 --> 02:23:13,520
Services

3211
02:23:13,520 --> 02:23:17,720
20242 effect of January 1 2025 moved and

3212
02:23:17,720 --> 02:23:19,399
seconded by councelor hinchberger and

3213
02:23:19,399 --> 02:23:21,880
councelor Kavanaugh

3214
02:23:21,880 --> 02:23:23,680
uh director would you like to speak to

3215
02:23:23,680 --> 02:23:25,200
this or just wait for

3216
02:23:25,200 --> 02:23:27,399
questions through you will wait for

3217
02:23:27,399 --> 02:23:30,200
questions uh any questions councelor

3218
02:23:30,200 --> 02:23:33,960
Stewart please thank you um it's quite a

3219
02:23:33,960 --> 02:23:36,960
list it's quite a list um I think we

3220
02:23:36,960 --> 02:23:38,640
need to make sure that the public

3221
02:23:38,640 --> 02:23:40,680
realizes those sewer rates are going to

3222
02:23:40,680 --> 02:23:42,160
go up

3223
02:23:42,160 --> 02:23:44,560
88.8% and the water rates will be

3224
02:23:44,560 --> 02:23:47,479
increasing 6.9 so that's a fairly Hefty

3225
02:23:47,479 --> 02:23:49,920
increase well I'm not saying it's not

3226
02:23:49,920 --> 02:23:51,399
required it's probably more than

3227
02:23:51,399 --> 02:23:54,000
required but it also needs to be taken

3228
02:23:54,000 --> 02:23:55,640
out of this report and make sure the

3229
02:23:55,640 --> 02:23:57,479
public understands that before they get

3230
02:23:57,479 --> 02:23:59,960
their first invoice thank you very much

3231
02:23:59,960 --> 02:24:02,200
for the recreational burn permit I don't

3232
02:24:02,200 --> 02:24:04,080
quite understand it used to be

3233
02:24:04,080 --> 02:24:07,120
2066 it's now just $20 thank you very

3234
02:24:07,120 --> 02:24:10,160
much saving myself 66 cents and I just

3235
02:24:10,160 --> 02:24:12,240
have a general question when we were

3236
02:24:12,240 --> 02:24:14,479
looking at the sewer rates and Sewer

3237
02:24:14,479 --> 02:24:17,120
lagoons and tured and everything and

3238
02:24:17,120 --> 02:24:18,800
this is just a general question does

3239
02:24:18,800 --> 02:24:21,720
Bruce Power OPG are do they actually pay

3240
02:24:21,720 --> 02:24:24,520
us sewer rates at that Lagoon you might

3241
02:24:24,520 --> 02:24:25,880
not be able to answer it it might be a

3242
02:24:25,880 --> 02:24:29,000
mark question thank you for you if

3243
02:24:29,000 --> 02:24:30,520
you're speaking about the Bruce Energy

3244
02:24:30,520 --> 02:24:32,960
Center customers yes we do have rates

3245
02:24:32,960 --> 02:24:34,600
and fees that we do collect from the

3246
02:24:34,600 --> 02:24:37,279
customers there actually I'm asking

3247
02:24:37,279 --> 02:24:39,399
about the big Power Plant do they pay

3248
02:24:39,399 --> 02:24:41,720
rates or do they use our

3249
02:24:41,720 --> 02:24:54,710
Lagoon no

3250
02:24:54,720 --> 02:24:57,040
so we do have our manager of

3251
02:24:57,040 --> 02:24:59,399
Environmental Services markco ly online

3252
02:24:59,399 --> 02:25:02,120
if there's any questions for him but

3253
02:25:02,120 --> 02:25:03,319
other than that we have the motion on

3254
02:25:03,319 --> 02:25:06,439
the floor all in favor anyone

3255
02:25:06,439 --> 02:25:09,240
opposed that's

3256
02:25:09,240 --> 02:25:11,680
carried uh debenture for concard and

3257
02:25:11,680 --> 02:25:14,200
business Parklands at Highway

3258
02:25:14,200 --> 02:25:16,680
921 uh we need a moover and seconder

3259
02:25:16,680 --> 02:25:18,560
that Council direct staff to finalize

3260
02:25:18,560 --> 02:25:20,080
the debenture documentation in the

3261
02:25:20,080 --> 02:25:21,120
amount of

3262
02:25:21,120 --> 02:25:24,600
2,626 th000 over a 5year term for the

3263
02:25:24,600 --> 02:25:26,960
servicing cost for Highway 921 Business

3264
02:25:26,960 --> 02:25:28,479
Park to convert the floating rate

3265
02:25:28,479 --> 02:25:30,319
Capital loan through

3266
02:25:30,319 --> 02:25:33,760
oilc to a debenture moved by

3267
02:25:33,760 --> 02:25:37,200
counselors inberg and

3268
02:25:37,200 --> 02:25:43,520
Keva uh director do you want to uh uh

3269
02:25:43,520 --> 02:25:45,200
just give us a broad overview of what

3270
02:25:45,200 --> 02:25:46,920
we're doing uh it's my understanding

3271
02:25:46,920 --> 02:25:48,520
we're just completing direction that we

3272
02:25:48,520 --> 02:25:50,359
had given staff previously that we were

3273
02:25:50,359 --> 02:25:52,800
going to move ahead with this and and

3274
02:25:52,800 --> 02:25:55,880
you had informed us this was the the the

3275
02:25:55,880 --> 02:26:00,080
process and the direction uh okay well

3276
02:26:00,080 --> 02:26:02,840
that's another way of putting it so uh

3277
02:26:02,840 --> 02:26:04,920
are there any questions regarding this

3278
02:26:04,920 --> 02:26:07,040
motion councelor hinchberger

3279
02:26:07,040 --> 02:26:11,800
please um a couple um I was having a

3280
02:26:11,800 --> 02:26:13,000
discussion with councelor Blackwell

3281
02:26:13,000 --> 02:26:14,279
about this before the meeting just a

3282
02:26:14,279 --> 02:26:16,000
couple checks were there options other

3283
02:26:16,000 --> 02:26:19,000
than the uh five-year term and if there

3284
02:26:19,000 --> 02:26:21,240
were what was the thought process behind

3285
02:26:21,240 --> 02:26:23,479
that and the other is is there any

3286
02:26:23,479 --> 02:26:26,240
opportunity if uh development occurs and

3287
02:26:26,240 --> 02:26:30,080
we get those funds to uh pay off the

3288
02:26:30,080 --> 02:26:33,960
debenture early or we constrained to the

3289
02:26:33,960 --> 02:26:36,399
full life of

3290
02:26:36,399 --> 02:26:40,359
it through you that's a good question um

3291
02:26:40,359 --> 02:26:42,840
so that the fact that we actually cannot

3292
02:26:42,840 --> 02:26:45,439
pay it down early is the reason why the

3293
02:26:45,439 --> 02:26:47,680
staff recommendation is a five-year term

3294
02:26:47,680 --> 02:26:49,279
um so if we did anything further like

3295
02:26:49,279 --> 02:26:51,160
greater than that 10 years 20 years then

3296
02:26:51,160 --> 02:26:53,120
we'll be having we' be forced to pay

3297
02:26:53,120 --> 02:26:55,319
that for the full term or incur a

3298
02:26:55,319 --> 02:26:57,560
significant penalty so that's the

3299
02:26:57,560 --> 02:26:59,000
thought process behind the short

3300
02:26:59,000 --> 02:27:01,950
fiveyear

3301
02:27:01,960 --> 02:27:05,000
term uh councelor Blackwell you had a

3302
02:27:05,000 --> 02:27:08,040
question uh thank you that was my

3303
02:27:08,040 --> 02:27:11,240
question councelor Stewart thank you

3304
02:27:11,240 --> 02:27:13,200
very much and through you

3305
02:27:13,200 --> 02:27:15,600
chair I don't know what the feeling of

3306
02:27:15,600 --> 02:27:18,800
the council is

3307
02:27:18,800 --> 02:27:21,439
um these things are basically the

3308
02:27:21,439 --> 02:27:23,520
interest over five years is a quar of a

3309
02:27:23,520 --> 02:27:25,240
million dollars that comes out of

3310
02:27:25,240 --> 02:27:26,520
basically

3311
02:27:26,520 --> 02:27:28,200
taxpayers

3312
02:27:28,200 --> 02:27:31,000
um and and we're a little premature

3313
02:27:31,000 --> 02:27:32,760
because we really haven't talked about

3314
02:27:32,760 --> 02:27:34,319
Bruce Telecom

3315
02:27:34,319 --> 02:27:36,720
proceeds you know and I think that you

3316
02:27:36,720 --> 02:27:38,520
know it's unfortunate because I the

3317
02:27:38,520 --> 02:27:41,120
timing's not correct basically you have

3318
02:27:41,120 --> 02:27:42,920
to have this thing wrapped up probably

3319
02:27:42,920 --> 02:27:44,840
the interest rate will come down a bit

3320
02:27:44,840 --> 02:27:46,920
because there's another Canada thing on

3321
02:27:46,920 --> 02:27:48,960
the 28th of October and interest rates

3322
02:27:48,960 --> 02:27:51,920
are going south the only problem is that

3323
02:27:51,920 --> 02:27:54,000
we really need as a council to really

3324
02:27:54,000 --> 02:27:55,520
figure out what we're going to do with

3325
02:27:55,520 --> 02:27:58,000
the Bruce Telecom proceeds we could have

3326
02:27:58,000 --> 02:28:00,920
lent them the money and we could

3327
02:28:00,920 --> 02:28:02,840
actually take that interest back into

3328
02:28:02,840 --> 02:28:05,800
our Bruce Telecom Legacy fund so you

3329
02:28:05,800 --> 02:28:08,720
know it it is some consideration because

3330
02:28:08,720 --> 02:28:11,040
you know as you're well aware with the

3331
02:28:11,040 --> 02:28:12,960
proceeds and you did a great job on the

3332
02:28:12,960 --> 02:28:14,840
other one showing all the proceeds and

3333
02:28:14,840 --> 02:28:17,279
where they are interest rates are going

3334
02:28:17,279 --> 02:28:20,359
down you know so you know we have 28 8

3335
02:28:20,359 --> 02:28:22,439
million that probably down the road will

3336
02:28:22,439 --> 02:28:25,399
be making two or 3% maybe it's time we

3337
02:28:25,399 --> 02:28:27,439
sort of look at it especially during our

3338
02:28:27,439 --> 02:28:28,640
time when we're going to look at the

3339
02:28:28,640 --> 02:28:31,520
Legacy that we might start lending money

3340
02:28:31,520 --> 02:28:34,560
to ourselves but paying back interest at

3341
02:28:34,560 --> 02:28:37,880
a fair interest rate plus the principal

3342
02:28:37,880 --> 02:28:39,439
instead of just leaving that money in

3343
02:28:39,439 --> 02:28:40,600
the bank because right now we're

3344
02:28:40,600 --> 02:28:42,240
borrowing it from somebody and giving

3345
02:28:42,240 --> 02:28:45,080
them the proceeds and then you know I'm

3346
02:28:45,080 --> 02:28:46,880
not sure if that really makes sense long

3347
02:28:46,880 --> 02:28:50,359
term thank you

3348
02:28:50,359 --> 02:28:51,520
director

3349
02:28:51,520 --> 02:28:55,560
please so through you um so Council

3350
02:28:55,560 --> 02:28:57,640
passed the bylaw for the Bruce Telecom

3351
02:28:57,640 --> 02:28:59,960
Legacy fund policy um one of the guiding

3352
02:28:59,960 --> 02:29:02,439
principles of that policy is to ensure

3353
02:29:02,439 --> 02:29:05,560
the preservation of capital so depleting

3354
02:29:05,560 --> 02:29:07,240
or withdrawing significant amount of

3355
02:29:07,240 --> 02:29:09,080
funds would not be in alignment with

3356
02:29:09,080 --> 02:29:10,640
that policy so therefore that would

3357
02:29:10,640 --> 02:29:12,800
require a complete revision and redo of

3358
02:29:12,800 --> 02:29:15,720
the policy prior to the end of the term

3359
02:29:15,720 --> 02:29:18,240
of the um of the loan which is December

3360
02:29:18,240 --> 02:29:19,640
so Council would have to make that

3361
02:29:19,640 --> 02:29:22,319
decision quickly um with the respect to

3362
02:29:22,319 --> 02:29:24,560
the comment about that there is

3363
02:29:24,560 --> 02:29:26,720
uncertainty with what to do with the bru

3364
02:29:26,720 --> 02:29:30,439
Telecom funds that is all documented in

3365
02:29:30,439 --> 02:29:33,399
the policy um and it's clear about what

3366
02:29:33,399 --> 02:29:36,359
the interest earnings can be used for um

3367
02:29:36,359 --> 02:29:38,640
in terms of the timing as well and it's

3368
02:29:38,640 --> 02:29:42,319
to fund uh a major Capital project and

3369
02:29:42,319 --> 02:29:43,920
it's supposed to be decided upon during

3370
02:29:43,920 --> 02:29:46,240
the annual budget process so with the

3371
02:29:46,240 --> 02:29:47,600
first withdrawal that won't be able to

3372
02:29:47,600 --> 02:29:50,560
be made until um later on next year and

3373
02:29:50,560 --> 02:29:52,680
there's even an amount set out so I

3374
02:29:52,680 --> 02:29:55,120
guess staff is somewhat confused about

3375
02:29:55,120 --> 02:29:58,240
why um there's confusion about the fact

3376
02:29:58,240 --> 02:30:00,120
that we haven't talked about the policy

3377
02:30:00,120 --> 02:30:02,720
um so that's staff's

3378
02:30:02,720 --> 02:30:05,439
perspective Stein offre please thank you

3379
02:30:05,439 --> 02:30:07,279
through chair and just a clarification

3380
02:30:07,279 --> 02:30:09,200
to the previous report you provided the

3381
02:30:09,200 --> 02:30:11,840
2025 budget plan report I thought I read

3382
02:30:11,840 --> 02:30:14,720
a line in there somewhere saying that we

3383
02:30:14,720 --> 02:30:16,680
wouldn't be able to do anything with the

3384
02:30:16,680 --> 02:30:21,479
fund until the 3rd of May 2025 anyways

3385
02:30:21,479 --> 02:30:23,600
um because you would need to wait a year

3386
02:30:23,600 --> 02:30:26,479
after the initial Capital transfer so I

3387
02:30:26,479 --> 02:30:28,560
just I'm clarifying that because that is

3388
02:30:28,560 --> 02:30:30,040
another argument as to why we wouldn't

3389
02:30:30,040 --> 02:30:32,840
be able to do this what's being

3390
02:30:32,840 --> 02:30:35,080
suggested through you that's correct and

3391
02:30:35,080 --> 02:30:36,920
we're still following the first year

3392
02:30:36,920 --> 02:30:38,720
phase in Period so we're gradually

3393
02:30:38,720 --> 02:30:40,479
making those transfers into the one

3394
02:30:40,479 --> 02:30:42,600
investment fund as was stipulated under

3395
02:30:42,600 --> 02:30:45,640
the uh the policy so to make changes now

3396
02:30:45,640 --> 02:30:47,439
would be a significant deviation from

3397
02:30:47,439 --> 02:30:50,319
what was approved by Council

3398
02:30:50,319 --> 02:30:52,319
councelor hinchberger your hand up there

3399
02:30:52,319 --> 02:30:55,160
please uh thank you

3400
02:30:55,160 --> 02:30:58,279
um I think what I heard though as far as

3401
02:30:58,279 --> 02:31:00,439
touching the capital of Bruce Telecom

3402
02:31:00,439 --> 02:31:02,240
the perspective was that this would be

3403
02:31:02,240 --> 02:31:06,240
an investment not that whereas we have

3404
02:31:06,240 --> 02:31:08,600
the capital invested in a

3405
02:31:08,600 --> 02:31:10,880
certain asset

3406
02:31:10,880 --> 02:31:14,000
mix it wouldn't be taking the capital

3407
02:31:14,000 --> 02:31:16,399
from it to do this it would be part of

3408
02:31:16,399 --> 02:31:19,479
your Investment Portfolio would actually

3409
02:31:19,479 --> 02:31:26,349
be a loan to yourself if I understand it

3410
02:31:26,359 --> 02:31:28,760
correctly are you I'm not sure how you

3411
02:31:28,760 --> 02:31:31,080
would do that without withdrawing money

3412
02:31:31,080 --> 02:31:32,840
you're like unless you're unless

3413
02:31:32,840 --> 02:31:34,720
council's proposing to use the interest

3414
02:31:34,720 --> 02:31:42,429
earnings to pay for the annual

3415
02:31:42,439 --> 02:31:45,920
payments yeah if I may I I think uh

3416
02:31:45,920 --> 02:31:48,640
rather than uh solely investing the

3417
02:31:48,640 --> 02:31:50,880
money in in one in Investments which is

3418
02:31:50,880 --> 02:31:54,160
the the brand name uh like uh I think

3419
02:31:54,160 --> 02:31:55,800
councelor hinchberger correct me if I'm

3420
02:31:55,800 --> 02:31:58,920
wrong was suggesting that uh it might be

3421
02:31:58,920 --> 02:32:00,600
appropriate and I think councelor

3422
02:32:00,600 --> 02:32:03,000
Stewart's comment was something the same

3423
02:32:03,000 --> 02:32:06,120
was that uh part of the

3424
02:32:06,120 --> 02:32:09,640
investment rather than gold or buildings

3425
02:32:09,640 --> 02:32:12,000
or something part of the investment is

3426
02:32:12,000 --> 02:32:14,920
infrastructure so part of your was that

3427
02:32:14,920 --> 02:32:17,000
the suggestion that

3428
02:32:17,000 --> 02:32:22,880
you're yeah so uh having said that I I'm

3429
02:32:22,880 --> 02:32:25,279
I'm going to uh just refer back to our

3430
02:32:25,279 --> 02:32:29,200
policy again which does not provide us

3431
02:32:29,200 --> 02:32:31,560
the opportunity to make any withdrawals

3432
02:32:31,560 --> 02:32:34,680
of any sort from the Bruce Telecom

3433
02:32:34,680 --> 02:32:37,720
Legacy fund until May of next

3434
02:32:37,720 --> 02:32:42,429
year is that is that

3435
02:32:42,439 --> 02:32:45,120
what can you clarify that for me

3436
02:32:45,120 --> 02:32:48,720
director please so that would be for the

3437
02:32:48,720 --> 02:32:50,319
interest earnings for the interest

3438
02:32:50,319 --> 02:32:53,000
earnings um but the policy spe is

3439
02:32:53,000 --> 02:32:54,960
specific in terms of the Legacy fund

3440
02:32:54,960 --> 02:32:57,800
investment asset mix and it's clearly

3441
02:32:57,800 --> 02:32:59,840
states ultimately at the end of the

3442
02:32:59,840 --> 02:33:04,120
transition period zero in cash 5%

3443
02:33:04,120 --> 02:33:06,680
maximum it's specific with one

3444
02:33:06,680 --> 02:33:08,640
investment Canadian Equity portfolio

3445
02:33:08,640 --> 02:33:11,040
there's targets as well as the fixed

3446
02:33:11,040 --> 02:33:13,120
income one Canadian corporate bonds and

3447
02:33:13,120 --> 02:33:16,240
government bonds so everything is as per

3448
02:33:16,240 --> 02:33:17,880
what was approved in the policy so if

3449
02:33:17,880 --> 02:33:19,359
Council wishes to deviate from the

3450
02:33:19,359 --> 02:33:20,760
policy

3451
02:33:20,760 --> 02:33:22,399
that's something that Council can do

3452
02:33:22,399 --> 02:33:24,800
it's just not a recommendation of staff

3453
02:33:24,800 --> 02:33:27,600
so the policy precludes investment in

3454
02:33:27,600 --> 02:33:29,760
things other

3455
02:33:29,760 --> 02:33:33,720
than what's uh stated in the policy

3456
02:33:33,720 --> 02:33:36,080
which is through one

3457
02:33:36,080 --> 02:33:38,640
investment uh it it doesn't allow us to

3458
02:33:38,640 --> 02:33:42,520
make investments using the principle in

3459
02:33:42,520 --> 02:33:45,279
uh in infrastructure or trucks or stuff

3460
02:33:45,279 --> 02:33:46,319
like

3461
02:33:46,319 --> 02:33:51,000
that or loans correct okay thank

3462
02:33:51,000 --> 02:33:52,520
you

3463
02:33:52,520 --> 02:33:55,279
yeah uh councelor

3464
02:33:55,279 --> 02:33:58,640
Stewart thank you it's it's through you

3465
02:33:58,640 --> 02:34:00,000
chair it's interesting because we're

3466
02:34:00,000 --> 02:34:02,160
sort of talk about the policy over here

3467
02:34:02,160 --> 02:34:05,359
we are the policy we make policy uh we

3468
02:34:05,359 --> 02:34:07,800
can actually change policy with a vote

3469
02:34:07,800 --> 02:34:12,680
of I guess five of us um it is a thought

3470
02:34:12,680 --> 02:34:14,479
you know I know that you know when we

3471
02:34:14,479 --> 02:34:16,359
first got the funds we needed to put

3472
02:34:16,359 --> 02:34:18,200
them away and really sort of think about

3473
02:34:18,200 --> 02:34:19,960
it and that's part of the whole whole

3474
02:34:19,960 --> 02:34:21,920
thing I brought up tonight we need to

3475
02:34:21,920 --> 02:34:24,000
really start to think about this if

3476
02:34:24,000 --> 02:34:26,399
we're loaning $8 million from somebody

3477
02:34:26,399 --> 02:34:28,040
we're paying somebody a half a million

3478
02:34:28,040 --> 02:34:30,760
dollars a year in interest you know why

3479
02:34:30,760 --> 02:34:33,160
shouldn't we be paying ourself and not

3480
02:34:33,160 --> 02:34:35,720
depleting our principal we still have

3481
02:34:35,720 --> 02:34:37,240
the principal because we have to still

3482
02:34:37,240 --> 02:34:38,920
pay back the interest plus the principal

3483
02:34:38,920 --> 02:34:41,960
to the fund and so you know I think it'd

3484
02:34:41,960 --> 02:34:44,240
be you know we're sitting here with $28

3485
02:34:44,240 --> 02:34:46,080
million and we're going to go out and

3486
02:34:46,080 --> 02:34:48,040
borrow some money from an outside

3487
02:34:48,040 --> 02:34:50,720
company and pay them the interest

3488
02:34:50,720 --> 02:34:52,880
maybe we can't do it now but we really

3489
02:34:52,880 --> 02:34:54,840
have to think about that and maybe start

3490
02:34:54,840 --> 02:34:57,399
to restructure our policy to allow this

3491
02:34:57,399 --> 02:35:00,399
kind of activity to take place uh

3492
02:35:00,399 --> 02:35:02,479
because I don't want to see us borrowing

3493
02:35:02,479 --> 02:35:04,399
money from outside when we could borrow

3494
02:35:04,399 --> 02:35:07,200
from inside and still maintain our

3495
02:35:07,200 --> 02:35:10,399
policy of keeping the principle than you

3496
02:35:10,399 --> 02:35:13,720
C St offra please thank you through you

3497
02:35:13,720 --> 02:35:17,520
chair um I'd just like to clarify um a

3498
02:35:17,520 --> 02:35:20,760
question because I I think it with the

3499
02:35:20,760 --> 02:35:22,279
the direction this has taken I think

3500
02:35:22,279 --> 02:35:25,000
it's worth asking have we already

3501
02:35:25,000 --> 02:35:27,439
invested some of those funds because

3502
02:35:27,439 --> 02:35:29,560
there could be penalties from backing

3503
02:35:29,560 --> 02:35:31,560
away from that too so I'm just curious

3504
02:35:31,560 --> 02:35:33,120
based on I know you outlined what we're

3505
02:35:33,120 --> 02:35:35,479
allowed to invest in through the policy

3506
02:35:35,479 --> 02:35:37,760
um have we made any Investments to

3507
02:35:37,760 --> 02:35:40,640
current date because I don't want to

3508
02:35:40,640 --> 02:35:43,600
revert ourselves if we have a

3509
02:35:43,600 --> 02:35:46,319
term so through you so yes so there was

3510
02:35:46,319 --> 02:35:47,880
a schedule attached to the budget plan

3511
02:35:47,880 --> 02:35:49,319
report that's the schedule of the Legacy

3512
02:35:49,319 --> 02:35:52,840
fund Holdings as of August 30th um and

3513
02:35:52,840 --> 02:35:55,160
there are some gic's that have in

3514
02:35:55,160 --> 02:35:56,880
invested into as well as one Canadian

3515
02:35:56,880 --> 02:35:58,319
government bonds and corporate bonds and

3516
02:35:58,319 --> 02:36:00,600
Canadian equities as per the transition

3517
02:36:00,600 --> 02:36:04,200
policy um there is also cash available

3518
02:36:04,200 --> 02:36:05,680
because that cash is being gradually

3519
02:36:05,680 --> 02:36:11,389
transferred over into the one investment

3520
02:36:11,399 --> 02:36:13,479
fund followup

3521
02:36:13,479 --> 02:36:16,160
please followup please councelor St off

3522
02:36:16,160 --> 02:36:18,920
great yeah of those gic's um and

3523
02:36:18,920 --> 02:36:20,880
government bonds that we've invested in

3524
02:36:20,880 --> 02:36:22,560
is there a term

3525
02:36:22,560 --> 02:36:25,399
Associated through you so no there's

3526
02:36:25,399 --> 02:36:27,920
some some suggested terms of how long

3527
02:36:27,920 --> 02:36:29,520
you should be holding on to those in

3528
02:36:29,520 --> 02:36:31,640
order to see the benefit of growth um

3529
02:36:31,640 --> 02:36:33,319
some of them are between 18 months and

3530
02:36:33,319 --> 02:36:36,319
three years um some are four plus years

3531
02:36:36,319 --> 02:36:38,359
and some are even longer term than that

3532
02:36:38,359 --> 02:36:41,040
and we do have gic's currently that are

3533
02:36:41,040 --> 02:36:42,920
uh two years some are 12 months some are

3534
02:36:42,920 --> 02:36:44,880
18 months so they're staggered so that

3535
02:36:44,880 --> 02:36:48,510
they all don't mature at the same

3536
02:36:48,520 --> 02:36:51,960
time Mr Stewart please just to clarify

3537
02:36:51,960 --> 02:36:54,640
and to help everyone out um if you take

3538
02:36:54,640 --> 02:36:57,000
a look at the proceeds the initial

3539
02:36:57,000 --> 02:37:00,640
investment we have a CIBC highin savings

3540
02:37:00,640 --> 02:37:03,279
account which is basically cash and it's

3541
02:37:03,279 --> 02:37:07,910
13.5 million thank

3542
02:37:07,920 --> 02:37:13,560
you okay so I uh appreciate that Council

3543
02:37:13,560 --> 02:37:15,040
looked at

3544
02:37:15,040 --> 02:37:19,920
the uh the value of stability when we uh

3545
02:37:19,920 --> 02:37:21,439
invested These

3546
02:37:21,439 --> 02:37:24,479
funds uh there was a specific plan

3547
02:37:24,479 --> 02:37:27,640
moving forward I

3548
02:37:27,640 --> 02:37:31,359
uh would encourage you to maintain that

3549
02:37:31,359 --> 02:37:34,160
that stability even on the short term

3550
02:37:34,160 --> 02:37:36,240
it's it's not that I disagree with the

3551
02:37:36,240 --> 02:37:38,560
concept of internal borrowing that's

3552
02:37:38,560 --> 02:37:41,319
that's not what I'm saying but this uh

3553
02:37:41,319 --> 02:37:43,640
Legacy fund is there for a reason to

3554
02:37:43,640 --> 02:37:48,479
provide stability for a long time and uh

3555
02:37:48,479 --> 02:37:51,120
um I'm just going to ask for Council

3556
02:37:51,120 --> 02:37:54,080
vote on this that oh councelor pranger

3557
02:37:54,080 --> 02:37:56,120
go ahead yeah you haven't spoken to

3558
02:37:56,120 --> 02:37:59,359
it thank you through you chair

3559
02:37:59,359 --> 02:38:01,439
um I actually agree with councelor

3560
02:38:01,439 --> 02:38:07,640
Stewart on this one um thanks uh

3561
02:38:07,640 --> 02:38:10,000
so and anyone can correct me I don't

3562
02:38:10,000 --> 02:38:11,960
want to speak for the other counselors

3563
02:38:11,960 --> 02:38:15,160
but I know when this policy came about

3564
02:38:15,160 --> 02:38:17,800
um it sort of felt at least to me that

3565
02:38:17,800 --> 02:38:20,000
we were under a bit of a crunch we had

3566
02:38:20,000 --> 02:38:22,520
to decide what to do with it and none of

3567
02:38:22,520 --> 02:38:24,520
us are investment bankers or Prof

3568
02:38:24,520 --> 02:38:27,920
investment professionals so uh and what

3569
02:38:27,920 --> 02:38:31,080
our um director recommended for what we

3570
02:38:31,080 --> 02:38:32,399
how we write this policy and what we

3571
02:38:32,399 --> 02:38:34,279
invest in made complete sense to me at

3572
02:38:34,279 --> 02:38:37,319
the time it seemed very reasonable this

3573
02:38:37,319 --> 02:38:39,840
opportunity was not present at the time

3574
02:38:39,840 --> 02:38:42,479
or um this need wasn't present at the

3575
02:38:42,479 --> 02:38:44,760
time so it wasn't considered and I agree

3576
02:38:44,760 --> 02:38:47,560
that as Council we are the policy makers

3577
02:38:47,560 --> 02:38:50,439
and we do have capability of changing

3578
02:38:50,439 --> 02:38:52,439
our policies if we see that there could

3579
02:38:52,439 --> 02:38:55,439
be a benefit to doing so um I think in

3580
02:38:55,439 --> 02:38:57,319
this instance we actually have an

3581
02:38:57,319 --> 02:39:01,830
opportunity here and something we should

3582
02:39:01,840 --> 02:39:04,520
consider councelor hinchberger please

3583
02:39:04,520 --> 02:39:06,880
tried my best to rapidly pull up the

3584
02:39:06,880 --> 02:39:09,600
Bruce Telecom Legacy fund there's a

3585
02:39:09,600 --> 02:39:10,920
section in Municipal investment

3586
02:39:10,920 --> 02:39:12,560
framework a municipality May invest its

3587
02:39:12,560 --> 02:39:16,040
funds in accord with with oeg for 3897

3588
02:39:16,040 --> 02:39:18,319
which outlines a very fairly limited set

3589
02:39:18,319 --> 02:39:20,840
of convert conserva investment

3590
02:39:20,840 --> 02:39:24,160
instruments that it can do I guess a

3591
02:39:24,160 --> 02:39:27,040
pertinent question would be is the where

3592
02:39:27,040 --> 02:39:29,040
this line of thought is going would that

3593
02:39:29,040 --> 02:39:31,080
be in compliance or not in compliance

3594
02:39:31,080 --> 02:39:33,479
with the reg because if it's not it's a

3595
02:39:33,479 --> 02:39:36,520
moot point we couldn't do it anyways for

3596
02:39:36,520 --> 02:39:38,080
you so it's independent of the

3597
02:39:38,080 --> 02:39:39,399
regulation it's not an investment it's a

3598
02:39:39,399 --> 02:39:40,640
loan to ourselves so we're just

3599
02:39:40,640 --> 02:39:41,680
borrowing

3600
02:39:41,680 --> 02:39:44,200
internally um so it's outside of that

3601
02:39:44,200 --> 02:39:47,640
regulation okay so they wouldn't get as

3602
02:39:47,640 --> 02:39:48,960
far as the government is concerned with

3603
02:39:48,960 --> 02:39:51,040
the regul they wouldn't consider this

3604
02:39:51,040 --> 02:39:55,110
ambass

3605
02:39:55,120 --> 02:39:58,760
thanks okay so we have uh motion that

3606
02:39:58,760 --> 02:40:00,319
Council direct staff to finalize the

3607
02:40:00,319 --> 02:40:03,080
debenture documentation the amount of uh

3608
02:40:03,080 --> 02:40:06,520
2,626 th000 over fiveyear term for the 9

3609
02:40:06,520 --> 02:40:08,960
and 21 Business Park to convert the

3610
02:40:08,960 --> 02:40:11,359
floating rate to a debenture it was

3611
02:40:11,359 --> 02:40:13,840
moved by

3612
02:40:13,840 --> 02:40:16,000
sorry councilors hinchberger and

3613
02:40:16,000 --> 02:40:17,680
Kavanaugh all in

3614
02:40:17,680 --> 02:40:19,840
favor opposed

3615
02:40:19,840 --> 02:40:22,670
and that

3616
02:40:22,680 --> 02:40:27,040
carried revisions to uh

3617
02:40:27,040 --> 02:40:30,279
policy PD 1.2 plans of subdivision

3618
02:40:30,279 --> 02:40:32,200
development uh we need a mover and

3619
02:40:32,200 --> 02:40:34,960
seconder that Council adop the policy

3620
02:40:34,960 --> 02:40:38,680
number deev O2 complete with appendix a

3621
02:40:38,680 --> 02:40:40,680
being the subdivision agreement and

3622
02:40:40,680 --> 02:40:42,920
appendix B Municipal development and

3623
02:40:42,920 --> 02:40:45,200
servicing guidelines moved by

3624
02:40:45,200 --> 02:40:47,800
counselors hinchberger

3625
02:40:47,800 --> 02:40:49,960
and Clark

3626
02:40:49,960 --> 02:40:51,160
Deputy Mayor

3627
02:40:51,160 --> 02:40:53,840
Clark uh any

3628
02:40:53,840 --> 02:40:57,040
discussion uh councelor Blackwell

3629
02:40:57,040 --> 02:40:59,160
please uh thank you through you I

3630
02:40:59,160 --> 02:41:01,520
appreciate the reference to the cycling

3631
02:41:01,520 --> 02:41:04,600
master plan um but I had uh maybe two

3632
02:41:04,600 --> 02:41:08,040
questions first was around our official

3633
02:41:08,040 --> 02:41:11,600
plan asking for sidewalks on both sides

3634
02:41:11,600 --> 02:41:15,080
of collector roads um and wondering

3635
02:41:15,080 --> 02:41:16,840
whether that's been included Within

3636
02:41:16,840 --> 02:41:19,359
These recommendations and the other is

3637
02:41:19,359 --> 02:41:21,680
whether there's any kind of reference to

3638
02:41:21,680 --> 02:41:25,510
Trail connections for new

3639
02:41:25,520 --> 02:41:28,560
subdivisions I see our director of uh

3640
02:41:28,560 --> 02:41:31,640
infrastructure and development on uh

3641
02:41:31,640 --> 02:41:34,040
online here uh good evening director

3642
02:41:34,040 --> 02:41:36,359
would you like to comment on that

3643
02:41:36,359 --> 02:41:39,200
please thank you through you mayor Craig

3644
02:41:39,200 --> 02:41:41,600
um so the the first element uh in

3645
02:41:41,600 --> 02:41:44,640
relation to where we you know where

3646
02:41:44,640 --> 02:41:47,319
we're installing sidewalks uh

3647
02:41:47,319 --> 02:41:48,840
unfortunately without having the

3648
02:41:48,840 --> 02:41:50,479
opportunity to look at kind of both of

3649
02:41:50,479 --> 02:41:52,520
those in in advance of this meeting I

3650
02:41:52,520 --> 02:41:55,279
can't say confidently but um what I can

3651
02:41:55,279 --> 02:41:57,359
tell you is that the approach generally

3652
02:41:57,359 --> 02:41:59,840
is that you know we're only putting

3653
02:41:59,840 --> 02:42:02,240
sidewalks um on both sides in in

3654
02:42:02,240 --> 02:42:03,960
appropriate locations but again I'd have

3655
02:42:03,960 --> 02:42:06,120
to refer back to the other documents and

3656
02:42:06,120 --> 02:42:08,359
just not prepared to comment on that uh

3657
02:42:08,359 --> 02:42:12,120
here this evening um uh the uh the

3658
02:42:12,120 --> 02:42:15,520
second um uh sorry counselor Blackwell

3659
02:42:15,520 --> 02:42:17,640
can you uh can you uh State what the

3660
02:42:17,640 --> 02:42:19,840
second was again

3661
02:42:19,840 --> 02:42:22,640
yes sorry um thanks it was about Trail

3662
02:42:22,640 --> 02:42:24,520
connections um and whether that's been

3663
02:42:24,520 --> 02:42:26,960
Incorporated at all into the

3664
02:42:26,960 --> 02:42:29,120
recommendations thank you very much and

3665
02:42:29,120 --> 02:42:31,359
through you mayor Craig uh the the

3666
02:42:31,359 --> 02:42:34,279
second component um historically we did

3667
02:42:34,279 --> 02:42:37,240
not have you know a lot associated with

3668
02:42:37,240 --> 02:42:39,880
Trails uh in terms of what what we would

3669
02:42:39,880 --> 02:42:41,920
look at in guidelines and even you know

3670
02:42:41,920 --> 02:42:44,960
subdivision agreements so over the last

3671
02:42:44,960 --> 02:42:47,080
five six years we've started really

3672
02:42:47,080 --> 02:42:49,359
incorporating trails and establishing

3673
02:42:49,359 --> 02:42:52,279
what the criteria is in terms of uh you

3674
02:42:52,279 --> 02:42:53,960
know usage for materials and

3675
02:42:53,960 --> 02:42:56,080
connectivity and everything so there is

3676
02:42:56,080 --> 02:42:58,359
some detail in there but uh I'm not

3677
02:42:58,359 --> 02:43:01,200
certain if it's you know if it if it's

3678
02:43:01,200 --> 02:43:03,200
sufficient to what uh what you may be

3679
02:43:03,200 --> 02:43:04,800
looking for but there is some reference

3680
02:43:04,800 --> 02:43:11,510
in the

3681
02:43:11,520 --> 02:43:14,960
guideline so we are received uh the

3682
02:43:14,960 --> 02:43:18,359
report uh seeing no more questions we

3683
02:43:18,359 --> 02:43:20,680
have uh mover and seconder the council

3684
02:43:20,680 --> 02:43:23,640
adopt policy complete with appendex a

3685
02:43:23,640 --> 02:43:25,560
being the subdivision agreement and

3686
02:43:25,560 --> 02:43:27,200
Municipal development services and

3687
02:43:27,200 --> 02:43:30,120
guidelines all in favor anyone

3688
02:43:30,120 --> 02:43:33,800
oppos that's carried Sledge removal

3689
02:43:33,800 --> 02:43:37,319
Environmental Services 2024 or 27 we

3690
02:43:37,319 --> 02:43:39,319
need a moover and seconder the council

3691
02:43:39,319 --> 02:43:42,359
approve a 2024 budget amendment to

3692
02:43:42,359 --> 02:43:44,760
accelerate a project for Sledge removal

3693
02:43:44,760 --> 02:43:47,240
from both the titon and or the conard

3694
02:43:47,240 --> 02:43:50,160
and tton Lagoon sites at a cost of

3695
02:43:50,160 --> 02:43:52,640
680,000 funded from the sewer Reserve

3696
02:43:52,640 --> 02:43:54,160
fund

3697
02:43:54,160 --> 02:43:57,920
67 moved by councelor Kavanaugh and

3698
02:43:57,920 --> 02:44:02,389
Stein off gray uh

3699
02:44:02,399 --> 02:44:05,720
discussion councelor hinchberger please

3700
02:44:05,720 --> 02:44:08,720
uh thank you to you mayor uh it strikes

3701
02:44:08,720 --> 02:44:12,319
me as maybe it's a coincidence that the

3702
02:44:12,319 --> 02:44:13,760
both the conard wastewater treatment

3703
02:44:13,760 --> 02:44:15,040
plant and the Bruce Energy Center

3704
02:44:15,040 --> 02:44:16,479
wastewater treatment plant that were

3705
02:44:16,479 --> 02:44:18,640
built at very different times and are

3706
02:44:18,640 --> 02:44:22,200
about 20 K apart seem to be having a a

3707
02:44:22,200 --> 02:44:24,120
degrading Trend in total suspended

3708
02:44:24,120 --> 02:44:26,920
solids uh over

3709
02:44:26,920 --> 02:44:29,960
2024 and other than like Capital changes

3710
02:44:29,960 --> 02:44:32,600
that might be playing a role here have

3711
02:44:32,600 --> 02:44:34,560
there been any changes in operating

3712
02:44:34,560 --> 02:44:37,920
practices at those uh two plants uh in

3713
02:44:37,920 --> 02:44:41,000
this year that's my first

3714
02:44:41,000 --> 02:44:44,279
question good evening to you mayor Craig

3715
02:44:44,279 --> 02:44:46,680
um there hasn't been any significant

3716
02:44:46,680 --> 02:44:49,600
changes councelor hinchberger to um the

3717
02:44:49,600 --> 02:44:52,160
overall I guess process will start with

3718
02:44:52,160 --> 02:44:54,560
the kardan site um as many of you are

3719
02:44:54,560 --> 02:44:56,479
aware there was an ation upgrade done

3720
02:44:56,479 --> 02:44:58,800
there in uh

3721
02:44:58,800 --> 02:45:03,319
2022 um that project has not yielded the

3722
02:45:03,319 --> 02:45:06,760
results that uh we're hoping for and the

3723
02:45:06,760 --> 02:45:08,279
the majority of the problem with that

3724
02:45:08,279 --> 02:45:10,520
project right now is the new Iration

3725
02:45:10,520 --> 02:45:13,800
system that we have installed is

3726
02:45:13,800 --> 02:45:17,120
actually I would say somewhat plugged or

3727
02:45:17,120 --> 02:45:19,439
isn't running as as efficiently is we'd

3728
02:45:19,439 --> 02:45:22,080
like it uh to produce the dissolved

3729
02:45:22,080 --> 02:45:23,319
oxygen that we need through the

3730
02:45:23,319 --> 02:45:27,240
treatment process um when I say plugged

3731
02:45:27,240 --> 02:45:29,640
that would be a combination of solids

3732
02:45:29,640 --> 02:45:32,120
like sludge but it is also plugged with

3733
02:45:32,120 --> 02:45:34,960
a combination of uh rags and things that

3734
02:45:34,960 --> 02:45:39,439
are not uh deteriorating in our uh cells

3735
02:45:39,439 --> 02:45:41,439
which are now kind of somewhat covering

3736
02:45:41,439 --> 02:45:44,600
our air our our air Raiders and in

3737
02:45:44,600 --> 02:45:46,640
particular the fine bubble component of

3738
02:45:46,640 --> 02:45:49,640
those air Raiders uh at the be C site we

3739
02:45:49,640 --> 02:45:52,359
haven't had any significant changes at

3740
02:45:52,359 --> 02:45:57,279
all um as far as overall uh operations

3741
02:45:57,279 --> 02:45:59,200
uh we have made some tweaks at both

3742
02:45:59,200 --> 02:46:02,680
sites uh to chemical uh dosing um we've

3743
02:46:02,680 --> 02:46:05,520
also worked at the tton site to ensure

3744
02:46:05,520 --> 02:46:07,840
compliance through the business park so

3745
02:46:07,840 --> 02:46:10,520
early in the spring we did Chase down

3746
02:46:10,520 --> 02:46:14,760
some uh samples from some of our sources

3747
02:46:14,760 --> 02:46:16,560
in the business park and some of those

3748
02:46:16,560 --> 02:46:19,000
weren't in compliance with what our

3749
02:46:19,000 --> 02:46:23,080
sewer bylaw is uh so we did some PR in

3750
02:46:23,080 --> 02:46:26,359
those sites to uh both hand out the

3751
02:46:26,359 --> 02:46:29,399
bylaw and then ensure uh compliance and

3752
02:46:29,399 --> 02:46:31,600
we have continued to sample some of

3753
02:46:31,600 --> 02:46:34,160
those sites to ensure that uh results

3754
02:46:34,160 --> 02:46:35,800
have gotten better and and they have

3755
02:46:35,800 --> 02:46:39,630
improved throughout the

3756
02:46:39,640 --> 02:46:41,720
year uh thank you my second question is

3757
02:46:41,720 --> 02:46:43,840
more about um I read the environmental

3758
02:46:43,840 --> 02:46:46,120
compliance approval for the Bruce Energy

3759
02:46:46,120 --> 02:46:48,960
Center wastewater treatment plant and

3760
02:46:48,960 --> 02:46:50,520
there's there's generally the the

3761
02:46:50,520 --> 02:46:52,920
distinction between effluent objectives

3762
02:46:52,920 --> 02:46:55,520
and effluent uh limits or requirements

3763
02:46:55,520 --> 02:46:58,520
and we look like we're outside of the

3764
02:46:58,520 --> 02:47:00,439
affluent limits requirements which gets

3765
02:47:00,439 --> 02:47:02,880
us into things which can be like are

3766
02:47:02,880 --> 02:47:05,120
legally enforceable so my question is

3767
02:47:05,120 --> 02:47:06,680
like under the Environmental Protection

3768
02:47:06,680 --> 02:47:08,560
act there is the concept of

3769
02:47:08,560 --> 02:47:10,120
environmental penalties and there's an

3770
02:47:10,120 --> 02:47:12,399
environmental penalties regulation I

3771
02:47:12,399 --> 02:47:15,120
guess my question generally is is are

3772
02:47:15,120 --> 02:47:19,479
municipal uh facilities like this still

3773
02:47:19,479 --> 02:47:21,120
uh subject to the potential for

3774
02:47:21,120 --> 02:47:24,910
environmental penalties or are we

3775
02:47:24,920 --> 02:47:28,279
exempt uh through you mayor Craig so uh

3776
02:47:28,279 --> 02:47:30,800
the municipality is not exempt from

3777
02:47:30,800 --> 02:47:34,560
those types of penalties um as you're

3778
02:47:34,560 --> 02:47:36,000
aware through the compliance report and

3779
02:47:36,000 --> 02:47:38,359
there's one coming again later that on a

3780
02:47:38,359 --> 02:47:40,760
on a monthly basis we report these to

3781
02:47:40,760 --> 02:47:42,960
the ministry of uh environment

3782
02:47:42,960 --> 02:47:46,560
conservation and Parks um we have a site

3783
02:47:46,560 --> 02:47:49,279
specific inspector for those sites uh so

3784
02:47:49,279 --> 02:47:52,240
he is personally uh emailed each month

3785
02:47:52,240 --> 02:47:54,359
um that we remain out of compliance so

3786
02:47:54,359 --> 02:47:57,000
we are not IM we're not immune to the

3787
02:47:57,000 --> 02:47:59,800
fines uh however the ministry is more

3788
02:47:59,800 --> 02:48:02,120
likely to look at um what the

3789
02:48:02,120 --> 02:48:03,760
municipality is doing as far as a

3790
02:48:03,760 --> 02:48:06,279
proactive approach um

3791
02:48:06,279 --> 02:48:08,560
you're a project like this where we're

3792
02:48:08,560 --> 02:48:10,760
looking to be proactive and start to

3793
02:48:10,760 --> 02:48:13,640
deal with some of these issues um in my

3794
02:48:13,640 --> 02:48:15,800
experience the ministry is very

3795
02:48:15,800 --> 02:48:18,160
receptive of those and and provide some

3796
02:48:18,160 --> 02:48:19,439
lenience

3797
02:48:19,439 --> 02:48:21,319
um but if we were to choose to do

3798
02:48:21,319 --> 02:48:22,880
nothing and just remain out of

3799
02:48:22,880 --> 02:48:25,479
compliance um they're more likely to

3800
02:48:25,479 --> 02:48:29,439
implement um orders um to get these

3801
02:48:29,439 --> 02:48:34,389
things in compliance as opposed to

3802
02:48:34,399 --> 02:48:38,000
fines councelor Stein off gray please um

3803
02:48:38,000 --> 02:48:40,439
through you chair just kind of building

3804
02:48:40,439 --> 02:48:43,439
off of the questions of councelor Stuart

3805
02:48:43,439 --> 02:48:46,479
um one of the things that I noticed was

3806
02:48:46,479 --> 02:48:49,000
um obviously August we were

3807
02:48:49,000 --> 02:48:52,200
significantly over um for King Carden

3808
02:48:52,200 --> 02:48:56,120
52.5 mg per liter um and then September

3809
02:48:56,120 --> 02:48:57,040
up to

3810
02:48:57,040 --> 02:49:00,600
68 um we seem to be inclining and we're

3811
02:49:00,600 --> 02:49:03,279
already exceeding what we're allowed for

3812
02:49:03,279 --> 02:49:06,640
suspended solids so I guess my question

3813
02:49:06,640 --> 02:49:08,880
is I don't see a date for when this

3814
02:49:08,880 --> 02:49:10,319
works happening in

3815
02:49:10,319 --> 02:49:13,080
2025 and is there a plan to try to pull

3816
02:49:13,080 --> 02:49:16,319
it Forward because if anything we've had

3817
02:49:16,319 --> 02:49:18,399
relatively stable numbers until we

3818
02:49:18,399 --> 02:49:20,520
didn't so we were always well under our

3819
02:49:20,520 --> 02:49:22,520
exceedence like when you look back at

3820
02:49:22,520 --> 02:49:26,279
2023 it's very like it's very level like

3821
02:49:26,279 --> 02:49:28,720
the numbers are very there's no real

3822
02:49:28,720 --> 02:49:31,200
movement up or down it's very stable

3823
02:49:31,200 --> 02:49:33,319
stable State and now we have this

3824
02:49:33,319 --> 02:49:35,960
inclining trend um so I guess my

3825
02:49:35,960 --> 02:49:37,800
question is how far can we incline

3826
02:49:37,800 --> 02:49:39,560
before we have to ramp up the work

3827
02:49:39,560 --> 02:49:42,680
because I I I I'm not confident that it

3828
02:49:42,680 --> 02:49:45,120
would be unlikely that we're not going

3829
02:49:45,120 --> 02:49:46,760
to have another increase when we do our

3830
02:49:46,760 --> 02:49:48,359
samples for the next month based on

3831
02:49:48,359 --> 02:49:51,800
what's happening so I see this activity

3832
02:49:51,800 --> 02:49:55,479
as must do um to course correct but are

3833
02:49:55,479 --> 02:49:57,279
is there a situation where we might need

3834
02:49:57,279 --> 02:49:59,359
to try to bring this work forward and

3835
02:49:59,359 --> 02:50:01,359
will the weather imple like will the

3836
02:50:01,359 --> 02:50:03,680
weather impact us for getting this done

3837
02:50:03,680 --> 02:50:05,520
because we're going into winter I just I

3838
02:50:05,520 --> 02:50:06,960
would like to understand the time frame

3839
02:50:06,960 --> 02:50:09,870
because I didn't see

3840
02:50:09,880 --> 02:50:12,760
dates sure and through you mayor Craig

3841
02:50:12,760 --> 02:50:14,319
so the reason that we've brought the

3842
02:50:14,319 --> 02:50:16,200
report forward tonight is to try to

3843
02:50:16,200 --> 02:50:19,160
accelerate this um we are we're hoping

3844
02:50:19,160 --> 02:50:21,720
to procure the project which I would say

3845
02:50:21,720 --> 02:50:25,239
would uh is going to take uh a bit of

3846
02:50:25,239 --> 02:50:27,680
time here and and mother nature does

3847
02:50:27,680 --> 02:50:31,479
play an impact on uh Wastewater sites so

3848
02:50:31,479 --> 02:50:33,520
um the likelihood of getting this

3849
02:50:33,520 --> 02:50:36,880
project completed in 2024 or even

3850
02:50:36,880 --> 02:50:39,560
through the winter months it is is just

3851
02:50:39,560 --> 02:50:42,359
isn't going to happen um so the idea

3852
02:50:42,359 --> 02:50:44,439
here is that accelerating the project

3853
02:50:44,439 --> 02:50:46,680
would get us first in the queue and be

3854
02:50:46,680 --> 02:50:49,279
ready to go for 2025

3855
02:50:49,279 --> 02:50:51,640
um my expectation would be because of

3856
02:50:51,640 --> 02:50:54,359
the new aeration cell in kardan it

3857
02:50:54,359 --> 02:50:56,000
should produce enough air through the

3858
02:50:56,000 --> 02:50:58,800
winter to keep that pond open so it

3859
02:50:58,800 --> 02:51:02,000
doesn't freeze over um the the

3860
02:51:02,000 --> 02:51:03,960
projection to get the sludge out of that

3861
02:51:03,960 --> 02:51:05,960
pond would be about three weeks I would

3862
02:51:05,960 --> 02:51:09,040
hope we could be in there like April 1st

3863
02:51:09,040 --> 02:51:11,640
uh and out of there by mid to late April

3864
02:51:11,640 --> 02:51:14,200
and then at that point um we would hope

3865
02:51:14,200 --> 02:51:17,800
that the becc pawns had opened up um and

3866
02:51:17,800 --> 02:51:19,439
that we didn't have ice there that we

3867
02:51:19,439 --> 02:51:22,399
would go directly to the becc site um

3868
02:51:22,399 --> 02:51:24,120
based on the sludge there I think that

3869
02:51:24,120 --> 02:51:26,239
project was was going to be closer to a

3870
02:51:26,239 --> 02:51:28,600
month um if not five weeks to complete

3871
02:51:28,600 --> 02:51:31,160
all the works up there as well uh so the

3872
02:51:31,160 --> 02:51:33,399
goal would be to have these projects

3873
02:51:33,399 --> 02:51:35,960
wrapped up by the end of May um we've

3874
02:51:35,960 --> 02:51:37,399
already been in contact with the

3875
02:51:37,399 --> 02:51:40,479
ministry to inform them that these uh

3876
02:51:40,479 --> 02:51:42,920
projects are on the radar for us uh the

3877
02:51:42,920 --> 02:51:45,200
reason for the for the information is

3878
02:51:45,200 --> 02:51:46,840
because quite often when you do these

3879
02:51:46,840 --> 02:51:49,080
projects your results actually

3880
02:51:49,080 --> 02:51:51,640
um get stirred up so we're we're working

3881
02:51:51,640 --> 02:51:55,200
to produce um some contingency plans to

3882
02:51:55,200 --> 02:51:58,239
do everything we can um but yeah that

3883
02:51:58,239 --> 02:52:00,680
we're looking hopefully to be completed

3884
02:52:00,680 --> 02:52:02,640
by the end of May next year which

3885
02:52:02,640 --> 02:52:04,640
somewhat aligns with uh when we really

3886
02:52:04,640 --> 02:52:06,520
started to experience odor issues in

3887
02:52:06,520 --> 02:52:09,590
King Carden this

3888
02:52:09,600 --> 02:52:12,560
year counc Story

3889
02:52:12,560 --> 02:52:14,720
please thank you through you chair I'm

3890
02:52:14,720 --> 02:52:17,399
sort of laughing um for the seven years

3891
02:52:17,399 --> 02:52:18,920
I've been on Council I don't think I've

3892
02:52:18,920 --> 02:52:21,319
talked so much about lagoons in my life

3893
02:52:21,319 --> 02:52:23,040
and I'm learning much more than I really

3894
02:52:23,040 --> 02:52:25,239
need to learn but uh Mark you're doing a

3895
02:52:25,239 --> 02:52:27,880
good job um the only problem I'm having

3896
02:52:27,880 --> 02:52:31,960
is it doesn't sound like uh uh we maybe

3897
02:52:31,960 --> 02:52:33,239
should have noticed this a little

3898
02:52:33,239 --> 02:52:36,680
earlier but uh how many times do we have

3899
02:52:36,680 --> 02:52:38,840
to take the Sledge out of these lagoons

3900
02:52:38,840 --> 02:52:40,680
I mean is it a yearly thing or is it

3901
02:52:40,680 --> 02:52:42,840
every five years because you mentioned

3902
02:52:42,840 --> 02:52:45,680
in your executive summary you asked if

3903
02:52:45,680 --> 02:52:48,640
anyone wanted it and nobody wants it so

3904
02:52:48,640 --> 02:52:50,600
not sure where you're going to put it

3905
02:52:50,600 --> 02:52:52,760
you know but uh you know it seems to be

3906
02:52:52,760 --> 02:52:55,120
an ongoing problem and we've invested

3907
02:52:55,120 --> 02:52:57,439
quite a bit in some of these lagoons you

3908
02:52:57,439 --> 02:52:59,399
think once we get the sludge out some of

3909
02:52:59,399 --> 02:53:01,399
those apparatuses will work a little bit

3910
02:53:01,399 --> 02:53:03,399
we got infrared we have this we have

3911
02:53:03,399 --> 02:53:06,720
that um help me out with a sort of a

3912
02:53:06,720 --> 02:53:09,640
future what you're predicting thank

3913
02:53:09,640 --> 02:53:13,239
you sure and through you mayor Craig

3914
02:53:13,239 --> 02:53:16,439
so counselor St the the tendency for

3915
02:53:16,439 --> 02:53:18,000
this type of work used to be land

3916
02:53:18,000 --> 02:53:19,239
application

3917
02:53:19,239 --> 02:53:22,800
um so very similar to agricultural um

3918
02:53:22,800 --> 02:53:26,399
practices but those practices for the

3919
02:53:26,399 --> 02:53:30,239
amount of sludge we have and um are just

3920
02:53:30,239 --> 02:53:32,160
not practical we I wouldn't even want to

3921
02:53:32,160 --> 02:53:33,720
guess what we would need for acreage but

3922
02:53:33,720 --> 02:53:35,439
if if I were to guess I would guess

3923
02:53:35,439 --> 02:53:37,560
somewhere between two and 3,000 acres is

3924
02:53:37,560 --> 02:53:39,239
what would be needed for what we have in

3925
02:53:39,239 --> 02:53:42,040
all these ponds uh in a past life I've

3926
02:53:42,040 --> 02:53:44,000
had great success with a technology

3927
02:53:44,000 --> 02:53:46,120
called geot tubes and what the geot

3928
02:53:46,120 --> 02:53:49,960
tubes do is you pump your sludge into

3929
02:53:49,960 --> 02:53:53,200
hard woven bags that dewat so the water

3930
02:53:53,200 --> 02:53:55,880
actually goes back to the ponds and then

3931
02:53:55,880 --> 02:54:01,080
you collect the um solids in the uh in

3932
02:54:01,080 --> 02:54:04,080
the bags so I'm sure you guys can all

3933
02:54:04,080 --> 02:54:06,000
envision this but when you flush the

3934
02:54:06,000 --> 02:54:07,880
toilet there there's a lot of water goes

3935
02:54:07,880 --> 02:54:09,800
down the toilet and there's not a lot of

3936
02:54:09,800 --> 02:54:12,680
solids um so what we've done is you add

3937
02:54:12,680 --> 02:54:15,160
the polymer you capture the solids uh

3938
02:54:15,160 --> 02:54:17,479
you let it dewater and it works similar

3939
02:54:17,479 --> 02:54:19,479
to an ice cube that you leave in in your

3940
02:54:19,479 --> 02:54:21,080
freezer for too long where it shrinks

3941
02:54:21,080 --> 02:54:23,840
through a cold period freezes shrinks

3942
02:54:23,840 --> 02:54:26,040
and the idea would then be to move those

3943
02:54:26,040 --> 02:54:28,279
solids at this point to landfill for

3944
02:54:28,279 --> 02:54:31,600
cover or for final um application for

3945
02:54:31,600 --> 02:54:33,080
like trying to grow top soil or

3946
02:54:33,080 --> 02:54:35,479
something on a capped landfill um it

3947
02:54:35,479 --> 02:54:38,439
works with great success um and that

3948
02:54:38,439 --> 02:54:40,840
would probably be the the option we

3949
02:54:40,840 --> 02:54:43,279
would be looking at for procurement here

3950
02:54:43,279 --> 02:54:47,680
long term I would suggest uh easily um

3951
02:54:47,680 --> 02:54:49,479
that you would be looking at an

3952
02:54:49,479 --> 02:54:52,479
additional I would say with ease 30 to

3953
02:54:52,479 --> 02:54:57,160
40 Years of um probably very little

3954
02:54:57,160 --> 02:54:59,399
problems in the large ponds in King

3955
02:54:59,399 --> 02:55:01,840
Carden based on the findings of the

3956
02:55:01,840 --> 02:55:03,479
small pond in King cardan we're

3957
02:55:03,479 --> 02:55:04,880
projecting that it should probably be

3958
02:55:04,880 --> 02:55:08,160
cleaned every 10 years um and the becc

3959
02:55:08,160 --> 02:55:10,359
site to our knowledge has never had any

3960
02:55:10,359 --> 02:55:13,040
sludge removal taken out of it um but

3961
02:55:13,040 --> 02:55:15,680
typically once you do the sludge removal

3962
02:55:15,680 --> 02:55:17,600
um they they come back to a really good

3963
02:55:17,600 --> 02:55:19,439
useful life and and then you're just

3964
02:55:19,439 --> 02:55:21,279
looking at upgrades to your airra

3965
02:55:21,279 --> 02:55:22,920
equipment and blowers and things of that

3966
02:55:22,920 --> 02:55:25,359
nature but I would suspect once we get

3967
02:55:25,359 --> 02:55:28,560
these Sledge projects done um that that

3968
02:55:28,560 --> 02:55:30,279
we would see improved results and

3969
02:55:30,279 --> 02:55:32,399
long-term good

3970
02:55:32,399 --> 02:55:36,710
results thank you

3971
02:55:36,720 --> 02:55:40,760
Mark we have a uh motion on the floor to

3972
02:55:40,760 --> 02:55:43,439
approve 2024 budget amendment the amount

3973
02:55:43,439 --> 02:55:45,000
of

3974
02:55:45,000 --> 02:55:49,080
680,000 for Sledge removal all in favor

3975
02:55:49,080 --> 02:55:52,080
and that is carried uh at this point I'd

3976
02:55:52,080 --> 02:55:55,120
like to uh recuse myself from the chairs

3977
02:55:55,120 --> 02:55:57,399
uh regarding this next uh notice of

3978
02:55:57,399 --> 02:56:00,840
motion prior to the meeting and uh

3979
02:56:00,840 --> 02:56:04,040
Deputy Mayor is going to uh run the

3980
02:56:04,040 --> 02:56:21,229
meeting

3981
02:56:21,239 --> 02:56:35,469
oh yeah

3982
02:56:35,479 --> 02:56:39,200
see okay so we we have a

3983
02:56:39,200 --> 02:56:41,600
motion we're at section

3984
02:56:41,600 --> 02:56:44,520
2171 of the municipal act 2001

3985
02:56:44,520 --> 02:56:46,640
authorizes a local municipality to

3986
02:56:46,640 --> 02:56:48,960
change the composition of its Council

3987
02:56:48,960 --> 02:56:50,560
and whereas a consultant could provide

3988
02:56:50,560 --> 02:56:52,479
unbiased options for changes to the

3989
02:56:52,479 --> 02:56:54,520
council composition and whereas a

3990
02:56:54,520 --> 02:56:55,880
consultant could provide options that

3991
02:56:55,880 --> 02:56:57,439
ensure legal principles are being

3992
02:56:57,439 --> 02:57:02,229
followed

3993
02:57:02,239 --> 02:57:04,640
and where is a consultant can host

3994
02:57:04,640 --> 02:57:06,840
Community conversations including public

3995
02:57:06,840 --> 02:57:09,840
open houses and workshops and now

3996
02:57:09,840 --> 02:57:11,800
therefore be it resolve that Council

3997
02:57:11,800 --> 02:57:14,359
including the 2025 budget

3998
02:57:14,359 --> 02:57:16,800
deliberations 12,000 for hiring

3999
02:57:16,800 --> 02:57:18,640
consultant to review and provide

4000
02:57:18,640 --> 02:57:20,399
recommendations specifically on the

4001
02:57:20,399 --> 02:57:22,680
number of members which would comprise

4002
02:57:22,680 --> 02:57:24,080
the Council of the corporation of the

4003
02:57:24,080 --> 02:57:26,000
municipality of ke carten following the

4004
02:57:26,000 --> 02:57:30,560
2026 election moved by mayor Ken Craig

4005
02:57:30,560 --> 02:57:38,469
and seconded by councelor kavanau any

4006
02:57:38,479 --> 02:57:41,319
discussion mayor

4007
02:57:41,319 --> 02:57:44,160
Craig uh through you deputy mayor uh

4008
02:57:44,160 --> 02:57:46,359
there are three main reasons for uh this

4009
02:57:46,359 --> 02:57:48,200
motion with the ultimate intention of

4010
02:57:48,200 --> 02:57:50,160
reducing the number of counselors

4011
02:57:50,160 --> 02:57:54,200
elected in the 2026 election and Beyond

4012
02:57:54,200 --> 02:57:56,479
uh the first is uh government

4013
02:57:56,479 --> 02:57:58,319
efficiency

4014
02:57:58,319 --> 02:58:01,920
um it's it's just a empirical sort of

4015
02:58:01,920 --> 02:58:04,399
thing that seven counselors reduces

4016
02:58:04,399 --> 02:58:06,960
staff time communicating with Council

4017
02:58:06,960 --> 02:58:09,399
resourcing councel information packages

4018
02:58:09,399 --> 02:58:12,120
preparations all those sorts of things

4019
02:58:12,120 --> 02:58:14,760
uh the intent of this motion second

4020
02:58:14,760 --> 02:58:18,160
reason maintains the ward system uh but

4021
02:58:18,160 --> 02:58:20,680
still provides broad representation uh

4022
02:58:20,680 --> 02:58:22,880
throughout the municipality and the

4023
02:58:22,880 --> 02:58:24,880
third reason that uh I'd like to

4024
02:58:24,880 --> 02:58:27,560
highlight is the fiscal responsibility

4025
02:58:27,560 --> 02:58:31,239
our budget includes plus minus $40,000

4026
02:58:31,239 --> 02:58:32,720
per counselor per

4027
02:58:32,720 --> 02:58:36,479
year uh uh you

4028
02:58:36,479 --> 02:58:40,720
would drop at least two your $80,000

4029
02:58:40,720 --> 02:58:42,960
reduction uh depending on what the

4030
02:58:42,960 --> 02:58:46,000
recommendation comes back from the uh

4031
02:58:46,000 --> 02:58:48,560
consultant uh you return on investment

4032
02:58:48,560 --> 02:58:51,880
is three months two months uh you don't

4033
02:58:51,880 --> 02:58:53,880
get it till the next year but uh it's an

4034
02:58:53,880 --> 02:58:56,479
ongoing saving so that is those are the

4035
02:58:56,479 --> 02:58:58,880
three main reasons why I would suggest

4036
02:58:58,880 --> 02:59:01,399
uh this is a good efficiency move for

4037
02:59:01,399 --> 02:59:04,309
our

4038
02:59:04,319 --> 02:59:06,720
municipality any other questions or

4039
02:59:06,720 --> 02:59:09,600
comments uh councelor Stuart thank you

4040
02:59:09,600 --> 02:59:12,640
and through your Deputy Mayor um so

4041
02:59:12,640 --> 02:59:14,279
basically the ward system would have to

4042
02:59:14,279 --> 02:59:16,359
maintain because you wanted to change

4043
02:59:16,359 --> 02:59:18,680
the ward system that's a huge procedure

4044
02:59:18,680 --> 02:59:20,200
and that's got to go to the government

4045
02:59:20,200 --> 02:59:23,080
and I believe the last one had to go to

4046
02:59:23,080 --> 02:59:27,399
the uh um I think I forgot where it went

4047
02:59:27,399 --> 02:59:29,439
to but it had the government approved it

4048
02:59:29,439 --> 02:59:31,920
so I think the tribunal approved it too

4049
02:59:31,920 --> 02:59:33,880
so we had to do that so what you're

4050
02:59:33,880 --> 02:59:37,160
looking at is maybe reducing by two and

4051
02:59:37,160 --> 02:59:39,600
that would be basically

4052
02:59:39,600 --> 02:59:43,479
reducing at large so you'd only have

4053
02:59:43,479 --> 02:59:45,040
basically one at

4054
02:59:45,040 --> 02:59:47,479
large and then we would have the deputy

4055
02:59:47,479 --> 02:59:50,120
mayor position position and the mayor

4056
02:59:50,120 --> 02:59:53,670
position that's

4057
02:59:53,680 --> 02:59:56,040
interesting okay I just wanted to know I

4058
02:59:56,040 --> 02:59:57,319
just wanted to know because that's what

4059
02:59:57,319 --> 02:59:59,000
you're really hiring a consultant and

4060
02:59:59,000 --> 03:00:00,479
does the consultant really need to be

4061
03:00:00,479 --> 03:00:03,279
hired if we or is the consultant really

4062
03:00:03,279 --> 03:00:06,040
here to discuss it with the public is

4063
03:00:06,040 --> 03:00:07,800
that the problem that we need the public

4064
03:00:07,800 --> 03:00:12,070
input or do we do it

4065
03:00:12,080 --> 03:00:14,279
ourselves mayor

4066
03:00:14,279 --> 03:00:17,239
Craig uh we have we have options without

4067
03:00:17,239 --> 03:00:19,439
councelor steart our CAO has informed us

4068
03:00:19,439 --> 03:00:22,520
that this decision strictly limited to

4069
03:00:22,520 --> 03:00:24,279
reducing the numbers is a decision that

4070
03:00:24,279 --> 03:00:26,200
we can make we don't we don't need to

4071
03:00:26,200 --> 03:00:28,600
hire a consultant if there is concern by

4072
03:00:28,600 --> 03:00:31,279
councel uh just as we did with other

4073
03:00:31,279 --> 03:00:34,399
Consultants to provide a you know a an

4074
03:00:34,399 --> 03:00:36,279
unbiased opinion of how this is going to

4075
03:00:36,279 --> 03:00:38,680
turn out you hire the consultant to

4076
03:00:38,680 --> 03:00:39,720
provide the

4077
03:00:39,720 --> 03:00:42,040
recommendation and and we either agree

4078
03:00:42,040 --> 03:00:44,040
or disagree with them and and then pick

4079
03:00:44,040 --> 03:00:46,840
a number anyway so but it is like

4080
03:00:46,840 --> 03:00:48,800
maintain the boards like there's no

4081
03:00:48,800 --> 03:00:51,359
change in that it's just Council

4082
03:00:51,359 --> 03:00:53,239
composition Council

4083
03:00:53,239 --> 03:00:56,840
hburg thank you through temporary chair

4084
03:00:56,840 --> 03:00:59,040
um a couple questions uh funding source

4085
03:00:59,040 --> 03:01:00,800
I'm assuming you're thinking contingency

4086
03:01:00,800 --> 03:01:02,680
reserve and not adding this to the

4087
03:01:02,680 --> 03:01:04,279
operating budget that's one question

4088
03:01:04,279 --> 03:01:11,030
even though it's $2,000 no operating

4089
03:01:11,040 --> 03:01:14,960
budget okay um I'm I'm uh interested in

4090
03:01:14,960 --> 03:01:16,560
this but I think I need to St publicly

4091
03:01:16,560 --> 03:01:18,120
I'm not interested in seeing a future

4092
03:01:18,120 --> 03:01:20,319
that doesn't have a ward system as we

4093
03:01:20,319 --> 03:01:21,960
the way it is right now and then the

4094
03:01:21,960 --> 03:01:23,439
question as we spent a lot of time

4095
03:01:23,439 --> 03:01:25,319
earlier tonight listening and talking

4096
03:01:25,319 --> 03:01:27,680
about future growth so if we're going to

4097
03:01:27,680 --> 03:01:30,040
be if you do this in two terms you find

4098
03:01:30,040 --> 03:01:31,439
yourself thinking gez nine would have

4099
03:01:31,439 --> 03:01:33,319
been a better

4100
03:01:33,319 --> 03:01:35,319
uh did

4101
03:01:35,319 --> 03:01:39,479
I oh the extend the I can

4102
03:01:39,479 --> 03:01:43,760
pause oh sorry oh and then it'll be all

4103
03:01:43,760 --> 03:01:46,960
right um just wanted to say so it was

4104
03:01:46,960 --> 03:01:49,120
clear that a c decision could reduce the

4105
03:01:49,120 --> 03:01:50,640
numbers without any consultation

4106
03:01:50,640 --> 03:01:53,200
required can an increase also be done

4107
03:01:53,200 --> 03:01:55,479
simply by a council decision okay fair

4108
03:01:55,479 --> 03:01:57,000
enough

4109
03:01:57,000 --> 03:02:01,399
thanks motion to extend councelor

4110
03:02:01,399 --> 03:02:07,550
CNO uh till end of

4111
03:02:07,560 --> 03:02:10,880
business is there a second on that

4112
03:02:10,880 --> 03:02:16,070
counselor black

4113
03:02:16,080 --> 03:02:20,279
hole can we take it we take a a vote on

4114
03:02:20,279 --> 03:02:22,880
councilor Kavanaugh's motion to extend

4115
03:02:22,880 --> 03:02:24,880
till the end of Business seconded by

4116
03:02:24,880 --> 03:02:28,469
councelor

4117
03:02:28,479 --> 03:02:32,030
Blackwell vote it's a

4118
03:02:32,040 --> 03:02:36,710
vote that

4119
03:02:36,720 --> 03:02:39,359
passes uh sorry councelor Andre we

4120
03:02:39,359 --> 03:02:41,000
finished your your your comments yeah

4121
03:02:41,000 --> 03:02:41,960
councelor

4122
03:02:41,960 --> 03:02:44,239
calov uh thank you very much and through

4123
03:02:44,239 --> 03:02:48,439
the chair um this is something where it

4124
03:02:48,439 --> 03:02:50,479
it it is a sensitive project to a lot of

4125
03:02:50,479 --> 03:02:52,399
people that maybe isn't even on their

4126
03:02:52,399 --> 03:02:54,840
radar until you bring it up with them uh

4127
03:02:54,840 --> 03:02:57,120
looking around and I I see where we're

4128
03:02:57,120 --> 03:02:58,520
at our discussion with our budget and

4129
03:02:58,520 --> 03:03:00,840
setting a preliminary number here I I

4130
03:03:00,840 --> 03:03:02,319
have no doubt in my mind if we are going

4131
03:03:02,319 --> 03:03:05,200
to be asking to make Cuts or take things

4132
03:03:05,200 --> 03:03:06,359
away from people within this

4133
03:03:06,359 --> 03:03:08,920
municipality and an effort to lower the

4134
03:03:08,920 --> 03:03:11,600
the tax rate uh we should start by

4135
03:03:11,600 --> 03:03:13,680
looking at ourselves and and looking at

4136
03:03:13,680 --> 03:03:16,000
the top most level and working downwards

4137
03:03:16,000 --> 03:03:19,520
before you can't ask

4138
03:03:19,520 --> 03:03:23,880
I feel bad asking lower lower um in the

4139
03:03:23,880 --> 03:03:26,479
hierarchy to suddenly make do with less

4140
03:03:26,479 --> 03:03:28,040
or become more efficient without first

4141
03:03:28,040 --> 03:03:30,080
looking at Council and seeing if we can

4142
03:03:30,080 --> 03:03:32,399
optimize and be as efficient as we are

4143
03:03:32,399 --> 03:03:34,279
uh to that end I believe seven can

4144
03:03:34,279 --> 03:03:36,319
accomplish the same task as nine the

4145
03:03:36,319 --> 03:03:39,960
ward representation remains here and uh

4146
03:03:39,960 --> 03:03:41,359
to to your line of thinking councelor

4147
03:03:41,359 --> 03:03:43,720
Stewart uh I would suggest that we could

4148
03:03:43,720 --> 03:03:46,600
even forgo the consultant if you uh

4149
03:03:46,600 --> 03:03:48,200
aren't a fan of Consultants and simply

4150
03:03:48,200 --> 03:03:52,229
resolve the issue with a vote

4151
03:03:52,239 --> 03:03:56,040
tonight councelor sign up cray thank you

4152
03:03:56,040 --> 03:03:58,640
through you chair um I'm going to Echo

4153
03:03:58,640 --> 03:04:00,760
what councelor hinchberger said um and

4154
03:04:00,760 --> 03:04:02,439
that is I would not be willing to

4155
03:04:02,439 --> 03:04:05,279
entertain changes to the W system I I

4156
03:04:05,279 --> 03:04:08,080
think it's important especially for

4157
03:04:08,080 --> 03:04:10,080
Wards two and three that there is that

4158
03:04:10,080 --> 03:04:13,120
voice that doesn't get drowned out um

4159
03:04:13,120 --> 03:04:14,439
but one of the things I'd be really

4160
03:04:14,439 --> 03:04:16,399
concerned about with reducing the ward

4161
03:04:16,399 --> 03:04:19,120
system is I think there's a very unique

4162
03:04:19,120 --> 03:04:21,040
check or not word system pardon me the

4163
03:04:21,040 --> 03:04:22,800
number of counselors is that we all

4164
03:04:22,800 --> 03:04:25,279
bring a different perspective especially

4165
03:04:25,279 --> 03:04:28,439
based on where we were and the campaigns

4166
03:04:28,439 --> 03:04:31,040
and I I honestly can't imagine where we

4167
03:04:31,040 --> 03:04:32,520
would have been this year without some

4168
03:04:32,520 --> 03:04:33,960
of the voices that we had around the

4169
03:04:33,960 --> 03:04:36,120
table I also think that we're

4170
03:04:36,120 --> 03:04:38,960
exaggerating some of the costs um when

4171
03:04:38,960 --> 03:04:40,520
you look at I think you're including

4172
03:04:40,520 --> 03:04:42,040
some of the travel costs but I think

4173
03:04:42,040 --> 03:04:43,399
it's really important that people are

4174
03:04:43,399 --> 03:04:45,279
willing to volunteer their time to go to

4175
03:04:45,279 --> 03:04:47,800
Roma and go to Amo and go to some of

4176
03:04:47,800 --> 03:04:49,920
those events where we Lobby hard for

4177
03:04:49,920 --> 03:04:52,720
this municipality and a lot of hours in

4178
03:04:52,720 --> 03:04:54,439
time and prep go into that that I would

4179
03:04:54,439 --> 03:04:55,439
say is

4180
03:04:55,439 --> 03:04:57,640
voluntary um and when you think about

4181
03:04:57,640 --> 03:05:00,160
all the Committees that we need to serve

4182
03:05:00,160 --> 03:05:01,960
and all the changes that are coming at

4183
03:05:01,960 --> 03:05:03,760
us and the ad hoc commission like

4184
03:05:03,760 --> 03:05:06,040
committees that are coming like people

4185
03:05:06,040 --> 03:05:07,880
are already feeling stretched with what

4186
03:05:07,880 --> 03:05:09,920
they're doing um look at the discussion

4187
03:05:09,920 --> 03:05:12,239
we had about picking up the Committees

4188
03:05:12,239 --> 03:05:15,040
um that our former counselor Doug

4189
03:05:15,040 --> 03:05:18,399
Kennedy was covering people were

4190
03:05:18,399 --> 03:05:20,600
until we get an incumbent I'll do this

4191
03:05:20,600 --> 03:05:23,160
it wasn't I'll do this retroactively

4192
03:05:23,160 --> 03:05:24,800
till the end so I just think we have to

4193
03:05:24,800 --> 03:05:26,399
be very careful about what we're

4194
03:05:26,399 --> 03:05:29,040
considering because unfortunately for us

4195
03:05:29,040 --> 03:05:30,680
we are in a position where we have

4196
03:05:30,680 --> 03:05:32,800
underfunded some of our infrastructure

4197
03:05:32,800 --> 03:05:34,960
we are in a position where we have

4198
03:05:34,960 --> 03:05:36,560
dramatic growth happening in our

4199
03:05:36,560 --> 03:05:38,160
community and we need to make sure that

4200
03:05:38,160 --> 03:05:40,720
we're dealing with it responsibly so I

4201
03:05:40,720 --> 03:05:42,560
I'm just going to be very clear this is

4202
03:05:42,560 --> 03:05:44,560
something I'm not confident is a great

4203
03:05:44,560 --> 03:05:47,279
idea um I'm willing to consider it if

4204
03:05:47,279 --> 03:05:50,200
that's what the will of the group is but

4205
03:05:50,200 --> 03:05:51,239
it's not something I'm really

4206
03:05:51,239 --> 03:05:54,800
comfortable with I think it would be a

4207
03:05:54,800 --> 03:05:57,800
disservice counselor prer thank you

4208
03:05:57,800 --> 03:06:00,560
through your chair um I tend to just

4209
03:06:00,560 --> 03:06:02,279
stay quiet when people have already

4210
03:06:02,279 --> 03:06:04,279
voiced the same thing that I think but

4211
03:06:04,279 --> 03:06:06,160
I'm GNA start trying to speak up a

4212
03:06:06,160 --> 03:06:11,359
little bit more um so I to do not um

4213
03:06:11,359 --> 03:06:13,000
support changing the ward system so I'm

4214
03:06:13,000 --> 03:06:16,399
glad that's not part of this uh proposal

4215
03:06:16,399 --> 03:06:18,080
um

4216
03:06:18,080 --> 03:06:20,560
I I will admit that this is actually one

4217
03:06:20,560 --> 03:06:22,479
of the first things I considered when I

4218
03:06:22,479 --> 03:06:27,040
joined Council because part of my um a

4219
03:06:27,040 --> 03:06:29,319
big part of why joined Council was to

4220
03:06:29,319 --> 03:06:31,920
look for ways to make improvements and

4221
03:06:31,920 --> 03:06:34,439
find efficiencies and this is exactly

4222
03:06:34,439 --> 03:06:37,520
what I thought of and then as more time

4223
03:06:37,520 --> 03:06:40,560
went on I saw how different everyone's

4224
03:06:40,560 --> 03:06:42,840
opinion is here and how we all represent

4225
03:06:42,840 --> 03:06:46,439
a different part of the community um and

4226
03:06:46,439 --> 03:06:50,239
we all have different uh experiences and

4227
03:06:50,239 --> 03:06:53,200
skill sets that contribute dramatically

4228
03:06:53,200 --> 03:06:56,279
to our decision-making and I totally

4229
03:06:56,279 --> 03:06:58,880
changed uh my perspective on it I

4230
03:06:58,880 --> 03:07:01,200
actually decided that I I thought we

4231
03:07:01,200 --> 03:07:03,960
would be worse off if we removed anyone

4232
03:07:03,960 --> 03:07:07,439
from our Council that's here um and

4233
03:07:07,439 --> 03:07:08,840
considering something councelor

4234
03:07:08,840 --> 03:07:10,680
steinhoff gry just said it all the

4235
03:07:10,680 --> 03:07:14,000
Committees that we have um we are all

4236
03:07:14,000 --> 03:07:16,479
stretched thin like she said on all of

4237
03:07:16,479 --> 03:07:18,800
us are on a few of those each and trying

4238
03:07:18,800 --> 03:07:21,479
to spread those out amongst uh fewer

4239
03:07:21,479 --> 03:07:24,000
counselors would probably be difficult

4240
03:07:24,000 --> 03:07:27,520
um so and with the growth that's that's

4241
03:07:27,520 --> 03:07:29,880
uh supposedly coming to our community uh

4242
03:07:29,880 --> 03:07:31,239
we're going to have to represent even

4243
03:07:31,239 --> 03:07:35,319
more people so I am I've actually done a

4244
03:07:35,319 --> 03:07:38,840
180 and I I'm not in support of reducing

4245
03:07:38,840 --> 03:07:51,510
the number of counselors at this time

4246
03:07:51,520 --> 03:07:53,840
Council pra thank you and one thing I

4247
03:07:53,840 --> 03:07:55,640
forgot to say there was if if we are

4248
03:07:55,640 --> 03:07:57,120
going to move forward with the whole

4249
03:07:57,120 --> 03:07:59,359
process I am not in support of having a

4250
03:07:59,359 --> 03:08:03,040
um a consultant thank

4251
03:08:03,040 --> 03:08:07,880
you if there's no further discussion I'm

4252
03:08:07,880 --> 03:08:10,680
happy to read the motion

4253
03:08:10,680 --> 03:08:19,550
again can you if I can just

4254
03:08:19,560 --> 03:08:21,000
that' be great

4255
03:08:21,000 --> 03:08:24,120
thanks so it was moved by uh mayor Craig

4256
03:08:24,120 --> 03:08:26,359
seconded by councelor kavanau whereas

4257
03:08:26,359 --> 03:08:29,040
section 2171 of the municipal act 2001

4258
03:08:29,040 --> 03:08:30,800
authorizes a local municipality to

4259
03:08:30,800 --> 03:08:32,960
change the composition of its Council

4260
03:08:32,960 --> 03:08:34,560
and whereas a consultant could provide

4261
03:08:34,560 --> 03:08:36,760
unbiased options for changes to council

4262
03:08:36,760 --> 03:08:38,720
composition and whereas a consultant

4263
03:08:38,720 --> 03:08:41,279
could provide options to to ensure legal

4264
03:08:41,279 --> 03:08:44,160
principles are followed and whereas a

4265
03:08:44,160 --> 03:08:45,680
consultant could host Community

4266
03:08:45,680 --> 03:08:47,600
conversations including public open hous

4267
03:08:47,600 --> 03:08:49,359
and workshops now therefore be it

4268
03:08:49,359 --> 03:08:50,720
resolved that Council include in the

4269
03:08:50,720 --> 03:08:54,160
2025 budget deliberations $122,000 for

4270
03:08:54,160 --> 03:08:55,840
hiring a consultant to review and

4271
03:08:55,840 --> 03:08:57,600
provide recommendations specifically on

4272
03:08:57,600 --> 03:08:59,239
the number of members which would

4273
03:08:59,239 --> 03:09:00,800
comprise the Council of the corporation

4274
03:09:00,800 --> 03:09:03,120
of the municipality of concard following

4275
03:09:03,120 --> 03:09:04,560
the 20126

4276
03:09:04,560 --> 03:09:09,030
election all those in

4277
03:09:09,040 --> 03:09:13,520
favor all those against I failed I'm

4278
03:09:13,520 --> 03:09:20,830
against

4279
03:09:20,840 --> 03:09:22,200
thank you Deputy

4280
03:09:22,200 --> 03:09:26,040
Mayor okay moving on we have a uh motion

4281
03:09:26,040 --> 03:09:28,279
regarding the Whitney Crawford Community

4282
03:09:28,279 --> 03:09:31,040
Center uh moved by Amanda Stein off gray

4283
03:09:31,040 --> 03:09:33,120
seconded by Mike hinchberger whereas the

4284
03:09:33,120 --> 03:09:34,800
Council of the municipality of concard

4285
03:09:34,800 --> 03:09:36,479
undertook a community process for the

4286
03:09:36,479 --> 03:09:38,080
development of the Parks and Recreation

4287
03:09:38,080 --> 03:09:41,359
plan in 2023 whereas the plan identified

4288
03:09:41,359 --> 03:09:44,760
a net increase of 1,400 new residents by

4289
03:09:44,760 --> 03:09:47,840
2031 which is an estimated growth of

4290
03:09:47,840 --> 03:09:50,279
.7% with increasing population and

4291
03:09:50,279 --> 03:09:52,920
younger citizens whereas the community

4292
03:09:52,920 --> 03:09:55,040
has expressed interest in a redesign and

4293
03:09:55,040 --> 03:09:56,640
Redevelopment of the Whitney Crawford

4294
03:09:56,640 --> 03:09:59,000
Community Center and Council support was

4295
03:09:59,000 --> 03:10:00,520
demonstrated through the procurement of

4296
03:10:00,520 --> 03:10:02,160
engineered drawings and building plans

4297
03:10:02,160 --> 03:10:04,880
in the previous term of council whereas

4298
03:10:04,880 --> 03:10:06,439
this is a shovel ready project that

4299
03:10:06,439 --> 03:10:08,399
would replace two facilities within the

4300
03:10:08,399 --> 03:10:10,479
community of tton including the existing

4301
03:10:10,479 --> 03:10:13,160
community center and library whereas the

4302
03:10:13,160 --> 03:10:15,000
existing community center and library

4303
03:10:15,000 --> 03:10:17,319
facilities in the community of tiberon

4304
03:10:17,319 --> 03:10:18,920
have several components which have

4305
03:10:18,920 --> 03:10:20,560
reached the end of their useful life

4306
03:10:20,560 --> 03:10:22,520
based on the municipality of conard's

4307
03:10:22,520 --> 03:10:25,279
asset management plan whereas the cost

4308
03:10:25,279 --> 03:10:26,960
of a Redevelopment of a new community

4309
03:10:26,960 --> 03:10:28,880
center in tton was estimated at $7

4310
03:10:28,880 --> 03:10:31,560
million in 2022 and is understood the

4311
03:10:31,560 --> 03:10:33,160
project estimates will exceed this

4312
03:10:33,160 --> 03:10:36,640
amount for 2025

4313
03:10:36,640 --> 03:10:39,120
2027 and whereas the availability of

4314
03:10:39,120 --> 03:10:40,600
senior Government funding was a

4315
03:10:40,600 --> 03:10:42,239
consideration for pursuit of a new

4316
03:10:42,239 --> 03:10:44,279
facility and whereas the provincial

4317
03:10:44,279 --> 03:10:46,239
grant for Community Sport and Recreation

4318
03:10:46,239 --> 03:10:47,760
infrastructure fund is currently

4319
03:10:47,760 --> 03:10:50,359
available and requires demonstratable

4320
03:10:50,359 --> 03:10:52,399
support for an eligible project with all

4321
03:10:52,399 --> 03:10:54,200
expenses being curred no later than

4322
03:10:54,200 --> 03:10:55,760
March 31st

4323
03:10:55,760 --> 03:10:58,200
20127 now therefore be it resolved the

4324
03:10:58,200 --> 03:11:00,239
council direct staff to submit the most

4325
03:11:00,239 --> 03:11:03,040
current plans designed by NA engineering

4326
03:11:03,040 --> 03:11:04,640
for the Redevelopment of a community

4327
03:11:04,640 --> 03:11:05,600
center in

4328
03:11:05,600 --> 03:11:08,279
tton and develop a business case for the

4329
03:11:08,279 --> 03:11:10,600
project which includes a new library and

4330
03:11:10,600 --> 03:11:13,319
a new Community Hall to Ontario's stream

4331
03:11:13,319 --> 03:11:15,000
two of the community Sport and

4332
03:11:15,000 --> 03:11:17,520
Recreation infrastructure fund prior to

4333
03:11:17,520 --> 03:11:19,680
the deadline of October 29

4334
03:11:19,680 --> 03:11:22,359
2024 and the council confirmed that if

4335
03:11:22,359 --> 03:11:24,160
successful in receiving provincial

4336
03:11:24,160 --> 03:11:25,960
funding to support the Redevelopment of

4337
03:11:25,960 --> 03:11:28,520
a new community center in titon that the

4338
03:11:28,520 --> 03:11:30,279
project will take priority over other

4339
03:11:30,279 --> 03:11:32,040
facilities and Recreation capital

4340
03:11:32,040 --> 03:11:34,479
projects in order to support project

4341
03:11:34,479 --> 03:11:36,080
completion by March

4342
03:11:36,080 --> 03:11:39,319
2027 and that the municipal portion of

4343
03:11:39,319 --> 03:11:41,600
the cost be funded through debt with

4344
03:11:41,600 --> 03:11:43,359
financing through the community benefit

4345
03:11:43,359 --> 03:11:45,960
fund or as per a financing

4346
03:11:45,960 --> 03:11:47,920
recommendation from staff

4347
03:11:47,920 --> 03:11:49,800
and that once the project is completed

4348
03:11:49,800 --> 03:11:52,000
the municipality will divest itself of

4349
03:11:52,000 --> 03:11:54,800
other similar Municipal assets and it

4350
03:11:54,800 --> 03:11:58,000
was moved by uh councelor stof gray and

4351
03:11:58,000 --> 03:11:59,960
councelor hinchberger councelor Stein

4352
03:11:59,960 --> 03:12:02,040
off gray please thank you through you

4353
03:12:02,040 --> 03:12:03,680
chair and before I go through my

4354
03:12:03,680 --> 03:12:05,399
arguments I actually want to take this

4355
03:12:05,399 --> 03:12:07,960
time to really thank the staff and our

4356
03:12:07,960 --> 03:12:10,720
cioo um for all their help as we went

4357
03:12:10,720 --> 03:12:12,200
through this process looked at the

4358
03:12:12,200 --> 03:12:15,120
grants confirmed through the grant

4359
03:12:15,120 --> 03:12:16,800
organization U what we could and

4360
03:12:16,800 --> 03:12:19,160
couldn't apply for um I really do

4361
03:12:19,160 --> 03:12:20,760
appreciate all of the help that was

4362
03:12:20,760 --> 03:12:23,000
provided so I really want to start by

4363
03:12:23,000 --> 03:12:25,279
thanking staff for their cooperation and

4364
03:12:25,279 --> 03:12:27,720
my fellow counselors um including

4365
03:12:27,720 --> 03:12:30,319
counselor hinchberger who has been um an

4366
03:12:30,319 --> 03:12:33,000
unbelievable asset in researching this

4367
03:12:33,000 --> 03:12:35,000
um as well as everyone else around the

4368
03:12:35,000 --> 03:12:37,279
table um I know Beth has had many side

4369
03:12:37,279 --> 03:12:39,560
conversations and Andrea with me over

4370
03:12:39,560 --> 03:12:41,479
this one I'm basically naming everyone

4371
03:12:41,479 --> 03:12:44,640
at the table so I'll stop now um but I

4372
03:12:44,640 --> 03:12:47,560
just U there's been a true engagement in

4373
03:12:47,560 --> 03:12:50,239
this and I really do appreciate it um

4374
03:12:50,239 --> 03:12:51,640
there's a number of reasons why I think

4375
03:12:51,640 --> 03:12:53,600
we really need to move forward with this

4376
03:12:53,600 --> 03:12:56,279
application um that being obviously the

4377
03:12:56,279 --> 03:12:57,920
age of the building and the lack of

4378
03:12:57,920 --> 03:13:00,080
Maintenance that we have performed um

4379
03:13:00,080 --> 03:13:01,560
there's a lot of deficiencies even with

4380
03:13:01,560 --> 03:13:04,600
our library it's an aging building um

4381
03:13:04,600 --> 03:13:06,960
and in the spirit of Recon like

4382
03:13:06,960 --> 03:13:09,200
reconciling different objects so that we

4383
03:13:09,200 --> 03:13:12,600
can actually make a go of

4384
03:13:12,600 --> 03:13:15,239
um I'm going to say plans that make

4385
03:13:15,239 --> 03:13:18,720
sense so um we've been very um knee-jerk

4386
03:13:18,720 --> 03:13:21,160
in a lot of our actions this has been a

4387
03:13:21,160 --> 03:13:22,920
a need in the community for quite a

4388
03:13:22,920 --> 03:13:24,800
while we're approving a lot of new

4389
03:13:24,800 --> 03:13:27,319
development in the municipality of Tian

4390
03:13:27,319 --> 03:13:30,160
you talked about um the park at the edge

4391
03:13:30,160 --> 03:13:33,160
of ton councelor Stewart and the number

4392
03:13:33,160 --> 03:13:35,000
of affordable houses that could come out

4393
03:13:35,000 --> 03:13:37,800
of that for folks we have developments

4394
03:13:37,800 --> 03:13:39,600
going on through Fast Track and

4395
03:13:39,600 --> 03:13:40,840
different things that we've approved as

4396
03:13:40,840 --> 03:13:42,840
a council we know that that population

4397
03:13:42,840 --> 03:13:44,680
is going to increase and we know that

4398
03:13:44,680 --> 03:13:45,880
we're going to need to deal with these

4399
03:13:45,880 --> 03:13:48,479
things um and our library really does

4400
03:13:48,479 --> 03:13:50,279
need some significant work I know that

4401
03:13:50,279 --> 03:13:53,120
we helped put a ramp up but in my humble

4402
03:13:53,120 --> 03:13:54,760
opinion it's very hard to get around the

4403
03:13:54,760 --> 03:13:57,319
aisles in that Library so to me there's

4404
03:13:57,319 --> 03:14:00,359
some some needs from an accessibility

4405
03:14:00,359 --> 03:14:02,720
perspective um one of the other things I

4406
03:14:02,720 --> 03:14:04,359
I really want to take a moment to talk

4407
03:14:04,359 --> 03:14:06,399
about was the amount of effort and time

4408
03:14:06,399 --> 03:14:08,840
that's gone into this so for me it's

4409
03:14:08,840 --> 03:14:11,080
important that we acknowledge what the

4410
03:14:11,080 --> 03:14:13,319
council previous to us did in trying to

4411
03:14:13,319 --> 03:14:16,520
prepare um the path for this work so I

4412
03:14:16,520 --> 03:14:18,720
know that there was a committee previous

4413
03:14:18,720 --> 03:14:22,560
with um Ron amanto Joe cotol Randy ruple

4414
03:14:22,560 --> 03:14:25,279
Karen kefir and Jim mctier and as part

4415
03:14:25,279 --> 03:14:27,040
of that they actually visited six

4416
03:14:27,040 --> 03:14:28,600
different community centers that had

4417
03:14:28,600 --> 03:14:32,720
been erected um including rad Haagen if

4418
03:14:32,720 --> 03:14:34,479
I'm saying that wrong I apologize to

4419
03:14:34,479 --> 03:14:38,040
that Community thank you um newstead

4420
03:14:38,040 --> 03:14:41,160
godri miltton Cargill and Belmore and as

4421
03:14:41,160 --> 03:14:43,560
part of that they toured the locations

4422
03:14:43,560 --> 03:14:45,040
but they also talked to the municipal

4423
03:14:45,040 --> 03:14:47,319
staff and they asked them through the

4424
03:14:47,319 --> 03:14:49,520
inner workings of a community center

4425
03:14:49,520 --> 03:14:50,760
what were the things you would have done

4426
03:14:50,760 --> 03:14:52,359
differently with your new builds and

4427
03:14:52,359 --> 03:14:54,560
what I didn't know at the time was all

4428
03:14:54,560 --> 03:14:56,279
of those data points that were given to

4429
03:14:56,279 --> 03:14:59,279
them were put into these plans so given

4430
03:14:59,279 --> 03:15:01,439
that this this stream requires a shovel

4431
03:15:01,439 --> 03:15:03,239
ready project and I don't believe that

4432
03:15:03,239 --> 03:15:05,520
we have another shovel ready project I

4433
03:15:05,520 --> 03:15:06,920
really think it's worthwhile for the

4434
03:15:06,920 --> 03:15:09,319
community that we put them forward um

4435
03:15:09,319 --> 03:15:10,760
and really acknowledge the work that

4436
03:15:10,760 --> 03:15:12,680
went into this because it sounds like

4437
03:15:12,680 --> 03:15:14,800
they did put significant Research into

4438
03:15:14,800 --> 03:15:17,520
it so um with that I'm going to turn it

4439
03:15:17,520 --> 03:15:19,920
over for others for comment but I do

4440
03:15:19,920 --> 03:15:21,279
think this is an important part of the

4441
03:15:21,279 --> 03:15:23,000
community for those of us who are at the

4442
03:15:23,000 --> 03:15:26,760
T and Fall Fair um you saw how crowded

4443
03:15:26,760 --> 03:15:28,560
people were in to listen to the music

4444
03:15:28,560 --> 03:15:30,479
unfortunately I usually miss it because

4445
03:15:30,479 --> 03:15:33,520
I'm at the horse show but I I it's a

4446
03:15:33,520 --> 03:15:35,239
community that rallies and it's a

4447
03:15:35,239 --> 03:15:37,120
community that's together I think all of

4448
03:15:37,120 --> 03:15:39,960
us got into the spirit with the auction

4449
03:15:39,960 --> 03:15:42,319
um of the pies I know I came home with a

4450
03:15:42,319 --> 03:15:46,239
few expensive apple pies and such but um

4451
03:15:46,239 --> 03:15:47,720
I guess the point trying to make is I

4452
03:15:47,720 --> 03:15:50,000
think our community needs it and I think

4453
03:15:50,000 --> 03:15:52,279
that as we continue to grow a lot of the

4454
03:15:52,279 --> 03:15:54,120
growth is going to happen in the titon

4455
03:15:54,120 --> 03:15:57,399
area and so why not posture ourselves

4456
03:15:57,399 --> 03:16:00,510
for the

4457
03:16:00,520 --> 03:16:03,680
future hinchberger please thank you to

4458
03:16:03,680 --> 03:16:06,760
you chair um some of my thoughts in this

4459
03:16:06,760 --> 03:16:09,800
process uh were um one of the draft

4460
03:16:09,800 --> 03:16:11,880
goals of the Strategic plan which was

4461
03:16:11,880 --> 03:16:14,399
informed by Community engagement was uh

4462
03:16:14,399 --> 03:16:16,359
pursue that we're working with pursue

4463
03:16:16,359 --> 03:16:18,840
small smart growth maintaining our small

4464
03:16:18,840 --> 03:16:20,399
town row character and providing

4465
03:16:20,399 --> 03:16:21,680
opportunities to live and work in the

4466
03:16:21,680 --> 03:16:24,000
municipality of Karden uh we had some

4467
03:16:24,000 --> 03:16:26,399
com uh presentations earlier tonight and

4468
03:16:26,399 --> 03:16:27,640
I think there was a number of us that

4469
03:16:27,640 --> 03:16:29,880
question whether population projections

4470
03:16:29,880 --> 03:16:32,600
as they currently exist are accurate in

4471
03:16:32,600 --> 03:16:36,040
fact that they are markedly low for

4472
03:16:36,040 --> 03:16:37,800
example while there's no guarantee that

4473
03:16:37,800 --> 03:16:39,560
La landscape is the best it has ever

4474
03:16:39,560 --> 03:16:41,279
been from my perspective for a new

4475
03:16:41,279 --> 03:16:42,880
nuclear build on the Bruce site and

4476
03:16:42,880 --> 03:16:44,520
everything that comes with it

4477
03:16:44,520 --> 03:16:46,920
development opportunities in this area

4478
03:16:46,920 --> 03:16:48,800
surrounding us like godri walkeron and

4479
03:16:48,800 --> 03:16:51,279
Port Elgen they're slowly being consumed

4480
03:16:51,279 --> 03:16:52,640
there's been a lot of frustration at

4481
03:16:52,640 --> 03:16:54,560
things not coming to conarton and I

4482
03:16:54,560 --> 03:16:57,160
think if you follow the way that the the

4483
03:16:57,160 --> 03:16:58,800
development of this part of the province

4484
03:16:58,800 --> 03:17:01,359
occurred in the 1850s and Beyond we were

4485
03:17:01,359 --> 03:17:03,199
kind of last of the party then as they

4486
03:17:03,199 --> 03:17:05,040
came up from guard Rich up through

4487
03:17:05,040 --> 03:17:06,880
walkeron or down through ow and sound I

4488
03:17:06,880 --> 03:17:08,800
think the same thing is going to happen

4489
03:17:08,800 --> 03:17:10,160
again in the next while we're going to

4490
03:17:10,160 --> 03:17:12,359
have growth if we don't manage the

4491
03:17:12,359 --> 03:17:13,800
growth properly we're going to end up

4492
03:17:13,800 --> 03:17:15,920
with a small City it'll be Concan a

4493
03:17:15,920 --> 03:17:17,880
village and a number of hamlets and

4494
03:17:17,880 --> 03:17:19,439
we'll lose that small town rural

4495
03:17:19,439 --> 03:17:21,359
character that's outlined in the goals

4496
03:17:21,359 --> 03:17:23,760
so part of the to do this in some ways

4497
03:17:23,760 --> 03:17:26,040
is to protect the small town rural

4498
03:17:26,040 --> 03:17:28,000
character of the town of concard by

4499
03:17:28,000 --> 03:17:30,479
spreading some of the growth uh uh

4500
03:17:30,479 --> 03:17:33,359
elsewhere um the town of concard it's

4501
03:17:33,359 --> 03:17:35,080
constrained geographically on the west

4502
03:17:35,080 --> 03:17:36,840
by the lake politically to the South by

4503
03:17:36,840 --> 03:17:39,359
uron kinloss and somewhat commercially

4504
03:17:39,359 --> 03:17:41,880
to the east of Highway 21 by some

4505
03:17:41,880 --> 03:17:43,760
previous decisions that have been made

4506
03:17:43,760 --> 03:17:45,080
Idan on the other hand has some

4507
03:17:45,080 --> 03:17:47,399
flexibility it's also a primary urban

4508
03:17:47,399 --> 03:17:49,399
community although you know as far as

4509
03:17:49,399 --> 03:17:51,000
land use designation but it's not

4510
03:17:51,000 --> 03:17:52,960
something that people usually talk about

4511
03:17:52,960 --> 03:17:54,640
there is an environmental assessment

4512
03:17:54,640 --> 03:17:56,920
that's in progress on options to address

4513
03:17:56,920 --> 03:17:58,319
drinking water needs which are one of

4514
03:17:58,319 --> 03:18:00,239
the issues and there is a Wastewater

4515
03:18:00,239 --> 03:18:02,720
Plant down the hill on concession to so

4516
03:18:02,720 --> 03:18:06,359
in some ways it's kind of positioned uh

4517
03:18:06,359 --> 03:18:09,120
for growth one of the takeaways for me

4518
03:18:09,120 --> 03:18:11,080
from the parks and recre study at high

4519
03:18:11,080 --> 03:18:13,160
level was you know a recommendation to

4520
03:18:13,160 --> 03:18:15,399
take care of what we have before we

4521
03:18:15,399 --> 03:18:17,880
build new but this project might look to

4522
03:18:17,880 --> 03:18:19,840
some people like a deviation from the

4523
03:18:19,840 --> 03:18:21,920
recommendation yet I see it as building

4524
03:18:21,920 --> 03:18:24,960
replacement as opposed to building that

4525
03:18:24,960 --> 03:18:27,399
uh lastly I'll say is that the total

4526
03:18:27,399 --> 03:18:29,080
annual operating deficit of the

4527
03:18:29,080 --> 03:18:31,760
facilities that could be divested I

4528
03:18:31,760 --> 03:18:34,560
following I repeat following completion

4529
03:18:34,560 --> 03:18:36,960
of this project is currently

4530
03:18:36,960 --> 03:18:40,239
$160,000 in 2024 I think this project

4531
03:18:40,239 --> 03:18:42,760
provides an opportunity to address this

4532
03:18:42,760 --> 03:18:46,040
as tow improve the usage of the adjacent

4533
03:18:46,040 --> 03:18:48,399
TI and Sport Center which will it would

4534
03:18:48,399 --> 03:18:53,950
complement naturally just by its

4535
03:18:53,960 --> 03:18:56,560
location other comments questions

4536
03:18:56,560 --> 03:18:58,359
councelor Blackwell

4537
03:18:58,359 --> 03:19:01,640
please uh thank you through you um I

4538
03:19:01,640 --> 03:19:03,279
appreciate all the work that's been put

4539
03:19:03,279 --> 03:19:06,880
into this um I have two well maybe one

4540
03:19:06,880 --> 03:19:09,920
question and then um some statements my

4541
03:19:09,920 --> 03:19:12,920
first question is um in the research

4542
03:19:12,920 --> 03:19:16,359
being done for this uh Recreation fund

4543
03:19:16,359 --> 03:19:19,800
is there a capacity um and ability to

4544
03:19:19,800 --> 03:19:23,640
apply to both the new build and the

4545
03:19:23,640 --> 03:19:28,150
repair revitalization

4546
03:19:28,160 --> 03:19:32,600
Stream CEO please sure through you mayor

4547
03:19:32,600 --> 03:19:37,040
um the we are eligible to um apply to

4548
03:19:37,040 --> 03:19:39,760
both streams uh your question with

4549
03:19:39,760 --> 03:19:42,359
respect to capacity

4550
03:19:42,359 --> 03:19:45,279
um that may be a bit more

4551
03:19:45,279 --> 03:19:48,920
nuanced so I I'm not sure I I have the

4552
03:19:48,920 --> 03:19:51,560
answer to share because a lot would

4553
03:19:51,560 --> 03:19:56,239
depend on um the project uh that would

4554
03:19:56,239 --> 03:19:58,359
be for a renovation

4555
03:19:58,359 --> 03:20:01,920
type of a for that particular Stream So

4556
03:20:01,920 --> 03:20:04,960
if it was a significant renovation to an

4557
03:20:04,960 --> 03:20:07,319
existing facility that we were ready to

4558
03:20:07,319 --> 03:20:10,800
go with um I think you'd be challenged

4559
03:20:10,800 --> 03:20:13,399
with our internal capacity to take on

4560
03:20:13,399 --> 03:20:14,720
both projects if we were to be

4561
03:20:14,720 --> 03:20:16,920
successful in it and and actually be

4562
03:20:16,920 --> 03:20:19,080
able to meet the deadlines um with the

4563
03:20:19,080 --> 03:20:22,960
Grant and or even be able to put out

4564
03:20:22,960 --> 03:20:26,720
rfps to get drawings to then undertake

4565
03:20:26,720 --> 03:20:28,800
construction Etc so I think it would

4566
03:20:28,800 --> 03:20:31,600
really depend on what the second

4567
03:20:31,600 --> 03:20:36,429
potential project

4568
03:20:36,439 --> 03:20:40,560
was follow up um no maybe I'll I'll

4569
03:20:40,560 --> 03:20:42,239
touch base a little bit later about

4570
03:20:42,239 --> 03:20:44,520
whether there's any potential projects

4571
03:20:44,520 --> 03:20:46,199
coming forward for us to discuss about

4572
03:20:46,199 --> 03:20:49,040
the other stram but um one of the things

4573
03:20:49,040 --> 03:20:52,279
I I'll say is that um I'm a fairly

4574
03:20:52,279 --> 03:20:54,800
strong advocate for um what I would

4575
03:20:54,800 --> 03:20:56,560
consider to be complete communities for

4576
03:20:56,560 --> 03:20:58,680
walkable communities for communities

4577
03:20:58,680 --> 03:21:01,439
that feel like they have an identity um

4578
03:21:01,439 --> 03:21:04,040
Gathering space communal um

4579
03:21:04,040 --> 03:21:07,520
opportunities and so um you know having

4580
03:21:07,520 --> 03:21:09,399
read the parks and recck master plan the

4581
03:21:09,399 --> 03:21:10,600
other day and and seeing the

4582
03:21:10,600 --> 03:21:15,000
recommendation there to not build new um

4583
03:21:15,000 --> 03:21:16,720
until we make some other decisions I

4584
03:21:16,720 --> 03:21:18,479
think it is important to recognize that

4585
03:21:18,479 --> 03:21:19,960
if there if this project does go ahead

4586
03:21:19,960 --> 03:21:21,720
it does impact a lot of other decisions

4587
03:21:21,720 --> 03:21:24,880
but I also think um there's opportunity

4588
03:21:24,880 --> 03:21:27,439
to support it for the betterment of the

4589
03:21:27,439 --> 03:21:29,640
community and also to potentially look

4590
03:21:29,640 --> 03:21:31,439
at our longer term Asset Management plan

4591
03:21:31,439 --> 03:21:33,880
about opportunities to divest from other

4592
03:21:33,880 --> 03:21:36,640
assets um and really focus our attention

4593
03:21:36,640 --> 03:21:39,120
on potentially our most used

4594
03:21:39,120 --> 03:21:42,520
or um largest population centers and

4595
03:21:42,520 --> 03:21:45,520
really enhance what they can

4596
03:21:45,520 --> 03:21:49,199
do councelor Stewart please thank you um

4597
03:21:49,199 --> 03:21:50,720
I was actually part of the committee

4598
03:21:50,720 --> 03:21:52,840
that did this last year so it's okay

4599
03:21:52,840 --> 03:21:55,560
don't worry um just wanted to talk to

4600
03:21:55,560 --> 03:21:58,279
you about this this motion is good it's

4601
03:21:58,279 --> 03:22:00,800
too long I mean one of the problems is I

4602
03:22:00,800 --> 03:22:03,680
can't get around this last you like

4603
03:22:03,680 --> 03:22:05,880
we're going to go for funding the one

4604
03:22:05,880 --> 03:22:07,640
thing about going for funding on the

4605
03:22:07,640 --> 03:22:10,000
stream two is because we're less than

4606
03:22:10,000 --> 03:22:12,319
20,000 we can go up to

4607
03:22:12,319 --> 03:22:15,359
70% so the biggest thing I'm sort of

4608
03:22:15,359 --> 03:22:18,120
looking at is na engineering please give

4609
03:22:18,120 --> 03:22:22,199
us the most current cost estimate ASAP

4610
03:22:22,199 --> 03:22:24,680
because if it's 10,000 then we can go up

4611
03:22:24,680 --> 03:22:27,439
to 7 million you know if we put in

4612
03:22:27,439 --> 03:22:29,560
something like this because I I'm

4613
03:22:29,560 --> 03:22:31,600
surprised that we did it in 22 I thought

4614
03:22:31,600 --> 03:22:35,560
it was like 20 but anyways 7 million

4615
03:22:35,560 --> 03:22:38,600
only gives us x amount like five million

4616
03:22:38,600 --> 03:22:41,199
so I don't know if we have time but na

4617
03:22:41,199 --> 03:22:43,319
engineering has all the diagrams and

4618
03:22:43,319 --> 03:22:45,399
everything so let's do that because I

4619
03:22:45,399 --> 03:22:47,439
look at this way it's the only shovel

4620
03:22:47,439 --> 03:22:49,960
ready project we have why look to gift

4621
03:22:49,960 --> 03:22:52,160
horse in the M throw it in there and see

4622
03:22:52,160 --> 03:22:54,199
what happens the funding on the other

4623
03:22:54,199 --> 03:22:55,840
side let's wait until we see what

4624
03:22:55,840 --> 03:22:58,120
happens whether we divest a lot of

4625
03:22:58,120 --> 03:23:00,640
minicipal assets let's wait and see what

4626
03:23:00,640 --> 03:23:03,600
happens but let's put our best position

4627
03:23:03,600 --> 03:23:05,920
forward to try to get the maximum

4628
03:23:05,920 --> 03:23:08,040
funding we can get for this project and

4629
03:23:08,040 --> 03:23:09,720
then we might have a problem because we

4630
03:23:09,720 --> 03:23:13,950
have all this money thank

4631
03:23:13,960 --> 03:23:16,319
you councelor hinchberger please thank

4632
03:23:16,319 --> 03:23:18,920
you I neglected to add this is most of

4633
03:23:18,920 --> 03:23:20,720
us know this around the table but for

4634
03:23:20,720 --> 03:23:22,319
those who might be listening or watching

4635
03:23:22,319 --> 03:23:24,720
this is a bit of a a stretch and a reach

4636
03:23:24,720 --> 03:23:26,880
because the the fund is to repair

4637
03:23:26,880 --> 03:23:29,520
upgrade or build Sport and Recreation

4638
03:23:29,520 --> 03:23:31,399
facilities and the community center

4639
03:23:31,399 --> 03:23:33,399
isn't you know as front and center in

4640
03:23:33,399 --> 03:23:34,840
terms of one of those is like a new

4641
03:23:34,840 --> 03:23:37,239
Arena or a ballpark so we have to

4642
03:23:37,239 --> 03:23:39,960
realize that funding wise just ballpark

4643
03:23:39,960 --> 03:23:42,640
I you know was 7 million in 2022 if you

4644
03:23:42,640 --> 03:23:44,359
look at the change in the construction

4645
03:23:44,359 --> 03:23:46,800
price index over the co last couple of

4646
03:23:46,800 --> 03:23:48,720
years we might be looking I wouldn't be

4647
03:23:48,720 --> 03:23:50,160
surprised by

4648
03:23:50,160 --> 03:23:55,710
nine yeah so that's my last

4649
03:23:55,720 --> 03:23:59,160
comment Brer Stewart please to fill in

4650
03:23:59,160 --> 03:24:00,640
yeah

4651
03:24:00,640 --> 03:24:02,840
unfortunately the funding in this one

4652
03:24:02,840 --> 03:24:05,439
particular stream too is 200 million so

4653
03:24:05,439 --> 03:24:07,439
it's going to go fast and you know

4654
03:24:07,439 --> 03:24:09,000
they'll probably bring more funding in

4655
03:24:09,000 --> 03:24:11,040
down the road but we got to get the

4656
03:24:11,040 --> 03:24:12,800
project in we got to see how lucky we

4657
03:24:12,800 --> 03:24:15,399
are and roll the dice and uh I I can

4658
03:24:15,399 --> 03:24:20,750
support that

4659
03:24:20,760 --> 03:24:24,160
thanks uh councelor Blackwell please uh

4660
03:24:24,160 --> 03:24:26,319
sorry I thank you just on that note um

4661
03:24:26,319 --> 03:24:27,880
when I asked earlier about the capacity

4662
03:24:27,880 --> 03:24:29,520
for the two projects one of the the

4663
03:24:29,520 --> 03:24:31,040
questions there was also about capacity

4664
03:24:31,040 --> 03:24:33,600
of writing two potential grants um do we

4665
03:24:33,600 --> 03:24:35,800
have a potential project lined up for

4666
03:24:35,800 --> 03:24:37,840
the other stream which we may be more

4667
03:24:37,840 --> 03:24:39,640
successful within because it would it's

4668
03:24:39,640 --> 03:24:41,720
a much smaller amount that we'd be

4669
03:24:41,720 --> 03:24:46,800
asking for um comparison to this project

4670
03:24:46,800 --> 03:24:49,439
uh so so I I hear what you're saying but

4671
03:24:49,439 --> 03:24:52,600
it it's it's not it's not this motion

4672
03:24:52,600 --> 03:24:55,000
think I um I guess it's more related if

4673
03:24:55,000 --> 03:24:56,880
you can connect it to this motion that's

4674
03:24:56,880 --> 03:24:59,960
okay but just so I guess capacity for

4675
03:24:59,960 --> 03:25:02,000
another grant writing that's not this

4676
03:25:02,000 --> 03:25:04,640
motion at all part of my question is if

4677
03:25:04,640 --> 03:25:06,479
we know that this application is

4678
03:25:06,479 --> 03:25:09,279
potentially a reach would my question is

4679
03:25:09,279 --> 03:25:10,640
to make sure that we also have the

4680
03:25:10,640 --> 03:25:13,960
capacity to apply for the other fund at

4681
03:25:13,960 --> 03:25:15,359
the same time because I would be

4682
03:25:15,359 --> 03:25:17,560
concerned that if we're not if we know

4683
03:25:17,560 --> 03:25:20,560
that this one's a bit of a Hail Mary um

4684
03:25:20,560 --> 03:25:22,319
and we go for it but we potentially miss

4685
03:25:22,319 --> 03:25:25,399
out on a more reasonable more likely

4686
03:25:25,399 --> 03:25:27,040
project that we would be approved for

4687
03:25:27,040 --> 03:25:29,399
that said I still am in support of it um

4688
03:25:29,399 --> 03:25:31,319
I'm just that was just my question was

4689
03:25:31,319 --> 03:25:32,439
about I don't want to miss out on

4690
03:25:32,439 --> 03:25:36,070
something else um as

4691
03:25:36,080 --> 03:25:41,199
well CAO please y through you um stuff

4692
03:25:41,199 --> 03:25:43,720
certainly have been engaged in community

4693
03:25:43,720 --> 03:25:46,720
services and following and understanding

4694
03:25:46,720 --> 03:25:49,520
um what potential projects within the

4695
03:25:49,520 --> 03:25:52,680
stream that you're speaking about um are

4696
03:25:52,680 --> 03:25:54,760
available we I think part of the

4697
03:25:54,760 --> 03:25:57,800
challenge that we find ourselves in is

4698
03:25:57,800 --> 03:26:00,680
um we have gone through uh Recreation

4699
03:26:00,680 --> 03:26:04,040
and Parks plan exercise and part of the

4700
03:26:04,040 --> 03:26:06,479
findings of that is you need to spend

4701
03:26:06,479 --> 03:26:08,880
more specific time and energy focused on

4702
03:26:08,880 --> 03:26:12,880
your two existing larger Sports

4703
03:26:12,880 --> 03:26:14,960
Recreation complexes to figure out

4704
03:26:14,960 --> 03:26:16,600
exactly what you want to do because

4705
03:26:16,600 --> 03:26:18,840
there's some significant decisions that

4706
03:26:18,840 --> 03:26:22,720
need to be made given how um challenged

4707
03:26:22,720 --> 03:26:26,800
those um two sites are for the

4708
03:26:26,800 --> 03:26:29,120
existing like the existing

4709
03:26:29,120 --> 03:26:31,399
infrastructure which makes up components

4710
03:26:31,399 --> 03:26:35,399
of both of those buildings um so we do

4711
03:26:35,399 --> 03:26:37,880
expect to have a staff report or that

4712
03:26:37,880 --> 03:26:39,840
was that has been the plan is to have a

4713
03:26:39,840 --> 03:26:42,800
staff Report with respect to

4714
03:26:42,800 --> 03:26:46,680
um I can say will be titon uh Sports

4715
03:26:46,680 --> 03:26:51,319
Arena um we're just not in a spot to be

4716
03:26:51,319 --> 03:26:54,199
able to say this is exactly the plan

4717
03:26:54,199 --> 03:26:56,520
that Council has already authorized

4718
03:26:56,520 --> 03:26:59,840
following that Recreation plan that was

4719
03:26:59,840 --> 03:27:03,000
just developed um so it's just not

4720
03:27:03,000 --> 03:27:05,199
perfect timing for us in terms of what

4721
03:27:05,199 --> 03:27:08,199
it is that the uh our planning process

4722
03:27:08,199 --> 03:27:10,880
aligns with the funding opportunity I

4723
03:27:10,880 --> 03:27:13,359
would hope that there might be um funds

4724
03:27:13,359 --> 03:27:15,160
available from senior government in the

4725
03:27:15,160 --> 03:27:18,680
future we are across the province seeing

4726
03:27:18,680 --> 03:27:21,439
um Recreation facilities that are coming

4727
03:27:21,439 --> 03:27:23,439
to the end of their useful life because

4728
03:27:23,439 --> 03:27:26,880
many of them were built 50 years ago

4729
03:27:26,880 --> 03:27:29,080
yeah when Tero funds and other funds

4730
03:27:29,080 --> 03:27:31,399
that were available um so it's certainly

4731
03:27:31,399 --> 03:27:34,600
a need in the community and our um your

4732
03:27:34,600 --> 03:27:38,000
best effort is to try to get plants in

4733
03:27:38,000 --> 03:27:40,560
place so that you are ready to move on

4734
03:27:40,560 --> 03:27:42,760
those when when they do become available

4735
03:27:42,760 --> 03:27:44,800
and I think I appreciate staff and I

4736
03:27:44,800 --> 03:27:47,359
appreciate council's and the community's

4737
03:27:47,359 --> 03:27:49,479
input to getting us part of the way

4738
03:27:49,479 --> 03:27:51,359
there which is not all of the way there

4739
03:27:51,359 --> 03:27:54,279
so it's a bit of um I would expect the

4740
03:27:54,279 --> 03:27:56,399
report is going to speak to some of the

4741
03:27:56,399 --> 03:27:58,720
pieces we expect to fail in the not too

4742
03:27:58,720 --> 03:28:02,680
distant future and just here's the

4743
03:28:02,680 --> 03:28:05,080
here's the potential ask for some

4744
03:28:05,080 --> 03:28:07,479
renovation to that facility to try to

4745
03:28:07,479 --> 03:28:11,950
make improvements to keep it

4746
03:28:11,960 --> 03:28:15,040
open ccor Stewart please thank you and

4747
03:28:15,040 --> 03:28:16,800
just to mention you know you got stream

4748
03:28:16,800 --> 03:28:19,960
two which are big projects stream one's

4749
03:28:19,960 --> 03:28:22,279
like 150 to a million dollars they're

4750
03:28:22,279 --> 03:28:24,319
little projects and I believe that

4751
03:28:24,319 --> 03:28:25,920
without giving something away I think

4752
03:28:25,920 --> 03:28:28,479
our staff has a project that they were

4753
03:28:28,479 --> 03:28:31,560
thinking of submitting under stream one

4754
03:28:31,560 --> 03:28:33,120
so you know those are very small

4755
03:28:33,120 --> 03:28:36,239
projects um I understand where the CEO

4756
03:28:36,239 --> 03:28:38,479
is coming from because we have three

4757
03:28:38,479 --> 03:28:40,800
major buildings one of them could be

4758
03:28:40,800 --> 03:28:43,160
this uh Community Center the other one's

4759
03:28:43,160 --> 03:28:46,160
the sport complex and the other one is

4760
03:28:46,160 --> 03:28:48,520
Davidson Center and you know looking at

4761
03:28:48,520 --> 03:28:50,920
these projects big thoughts but let's

4762
03:28:50,920 --> 03:28:52,439
get back into this one because we have

4763
03:28:52,439 --> 03:28:54,160
to prove this one tonight one way or the

4764
03:28:54,160 --> 03:28:55,319
other

4765
03:28:55,319 --> 03:28:59,800
thanks so I'm uh broadly speaking I to

4766
03:28:59,800 --> 03:29:02,520
am like it's a wasted opportunity if we

4767
03:29:02,520 --> 03:29:07,720
don't apply for for provincial money um

4768
03:29:07,720 --> 03:29:11,120
I think unless I'm mistaken that the

4769
03:29:11,120 --> 03:29:15,040
timelines to put the this whole thing

4770
03:29:15,040 --> 03:29:17,439
together and be done by March 2027 would

4771
03:29:17,439 --> 03:29:21,120
be uh a tight timeline would would that

4772
03:29:21,120 --> 03:29:24,319
accurate okay just we and what happens

4773
03:29:24,319 --> 03:29:27,399
to the funding if we're not done in time

4774
03:29:27,399 --> 03:29:28,520
not that I don't think we shouldn't

4775
03:29:28,520 --> 03:29:30,040
apply that's not what I'm saying but

4776
03:29:30,040 --> 03:29:33,080
there's there's unintended consequences

4777
03:29:33,080 --> 03:29:34,560
do we lose the funding if we're not done

4778
03:29:34,560 --> 03:29:38,239
in time or a p or a portion of it do we

4779
03:29:38,239 --> 03:29:41,520
know what the stipulations are yes go

4780
03:29:41,520 --> 03:29:44,080
ahead well so if we were receive the

4781
03:29:44,080 --> 03:29:46,640
funding generally funding application

4782
03:29:46,640 --> 03:29:48,640
generally the agreements come through

4783
03:29:48,640 --> 03:29:50,640
and it spells out what the requirements

4784
03:29:50,640 --> 03:29:53,520
are there may be opportunities for

4785
03:29:53,520 --> 03:29:55,880
exceptions but it isn't going to be an

4786
03:29:55,880 --> 03:29:57,439
exception that's allowed because we

4787
03:29:57,439 --> 03:29:59,920
weren't ready to do the project it would

4788
03:29:59,920 --> 03:30:01,840
have to be based on something that

4789
03:30:01,840 --> 03:30:04,600
happens in the process of us moving the

4790
03:30:04,600 --> 03:30:08,479
project forward so yes it would be tight

4791
03:30:08,479 --> 03:30:11,960
timelines um there are drawings

4792
03:30:11,960 --> 03:30:14,920
available so I would imagine it would be

4793
03:30:14,920 --> 03:30:16,720
issuing a procurement document where you

4794
03:30:16,720 --> 03:30:19,000
are look if you were successful you are

4795
03:30:19,000 --> 03:30:22,359
immediately taking action to issue a

4796
03:30:22,359 --> 03:30:24,680
procurement document that is looking for

4797
03:30:24,680 --> 03:30:27,040
um a respondent to build and project

4798
03:30:27,040 --> 03:30:30,319
manage but again I would point to and I

4799
03:30:30,319 --> 03:30:31,960
appreciate this being included in the

4800
03:30:31,960 --> 03:30:34,000
motion it is going to need to take

4801
03:30:34,000 --> 03:30:38,359
precedent um over other uh Recreation

4802
03:30:38,359 --> 03:30:40,920
capital projects because it will require

4803
03:30:40,920 --> 03:30:44,199
even our resources to ensure we are on

4804
03:30:44,199 --> 03:30:48,040
top of it um in order to deal with even

4805
03:30:48,040 --> 03:30:51,359
a project manager so that's that's why

4806
03:30:51,359 --> 03:30:54,680
it I I do appreciate that that's in the

4807
03:30:54,680 --> 03:30:59,560
motion um the yeah just a minute um the

4808
03:30:59,560 --> 03:31:02,359
requirements for County libraries for

4809
03:31:02,359 --> 03:31:06,720
small towns is 2500 square feet which is

4810
03:31:06,720 --> 03:31:08,479
two and a half times bigger than the one

4811
03:31:08,479 --> 03:31:10,920
that's there just just for guidelines

4812
03:31:10,920 --> 03:31:14,239
that's what the director of libraries

4813
03:31:14,239 --> 03:31:16,560
said in her conversation the other day

4814
03:31:16,560 --> 03:31:18,640
is like you know that's where we're

4815
03:31:18,640 --> 03:31:20,720
at

4816
03:31:20,720 --> 03:31:23,800
um and and I do appreciate the

4817
03:31:23,800 --> 03:31:26,160
acknowledgement about what what will

4818
03:31:26,160 --> 03:31:28,760
happen like it is an aggressive an

4819
03:31:28,760 --> 03:31:30,680
aggressive approach to divesting

4820
03:31:30,680 --> 03:31:34,920
Municipal assets that can be fulfilled

4821
03:31:34,920 --> 03:31:37,520
by the construction of a new place it is

4822
03:31:37,520 --> 03:31:41,520
it is buildings that are sacred to us

4823
03:31:41,520 --> 03:31:43,479
that we will look at and say no we can't

4824
03:31:43,479 --> 03:31:45,120
do that anymore because we've got our

4825
03:31:45,120 --> 03:31:47,520
money invested in that one and like I

4826
03:31:47,520 --> 03:31:50,000
appreciate your your acknowledgement of

4827
03:31:50,000 --> 03:31:53,239
that so like don't be surprised if you

4828
03:31:53,239 --> 03:31:57,479
hear your Alma Al alma mater being uh

4829
03:31:57,479 --> 03:32:00,880
destroyed of some sort or other okay

4830
03:32:00,880 --> 03:32:03,199
final comment com councelor Stewart yes

4831
03:32:03,199 --> 03:32:04,680
I was sort of fortunate to be on the

4832
03:32:04,680 --> 03:32:06,600
zoom meeting when they actually launched

4833
03:32:06,600 --> 03:32:08,199
this and everything and it was quite

4834
03:32:08,199 --> 03:32:11,120
interesting because when you go in with

4835
03:32:11,120 --> 03:32:13,040
a project they're going to allow

4836
03:32:13,040 --> 03:32:16,520
multiple modifications to the design

4837
03:32:16,520 --> 03:32:18,600
I mean they're very Loosey Goosey about

4838
03:32:18,600 --> 03:32:20,479
it that if you Smit something you're

4839
03:32:20,479 --> 03:32:22,720
getting the grant money and then you can

4840
03:32:22,720 --> 03:32:25,800
modify it accordingly and it really was

4841
03:32:25,800 --> 03:32:27,520
and people were asking questions and

4842
03:32:27,520 --> 03:32:29,439
people going really you could end up

4843
03:32:29,439 --> 03:32:31,520
with a sports arena I don't know but

4844
03:32:31,520 --> 03:32:34,319
what I'm saying is it's not so tight so

4845
03:32:34,319 --> 03:32:36,160
there is a little bit of flexibility on

4846
03:32:36,160 --> 03:32:39,160
this whole thing but it's worth a try so

4847
03:32:39,160 --> 03:32:40,840
I'm not going to read the motion again

4848
03:32:40,840 --> 03:32:42,439
but we do have a motion on the floor

4849
03:32:42,439 --> 03:32:44,760
moved by councelors tan Offrey and

4850
03:32:44,760 --> 03:32:50,830
hinchberger on in favor and that is

4851
03:32:50,840 --> 03:32:54,040
carried no you're

4852
03:32:54,040 --> 03:32:56,760
not we have

4853
03:32:56,760 --> 03:33:01,000
a resolution moved by Beth Blackwell

4854
03:33:01,000 --> 03:33:02,960
counselor Blackwell seconded by count

4855
03:33:02,960 --> 03:33:06,439
the deputy mayor Clark whereas in 2022

4856
03:33:06,439 --> 03:33:08,640
statistics Canon reported that 28% of

4857
03:33:08,640 --> 03:33:10,239
ontarians identify as having a

4858
03:33:10,239 --> 03:33:12,040
disability and whereas residents and

4859
03:33:12,040 --> 03:33:14,040
visitors with disabilities continue to

4860
03:33:14,040 --> 03:33:16,199
regularly face physical attit udal

4861
03:33:16,199 --> 03:33:17,840
environmental and technological barriers

4862
03:33:17,840 --> 03:33:20,040
to prevent them from working shopping

4863
03:33:20,040 --> 03:33:21,680
traveling volunteering or accessing

4864
03:33:21,680 --> 03:33:23,439
Community spaces which negatively

4865
03:33:23,439 --> 03:33:25,199
impacts our community's economic

4866
03:33:25,199 --> 03:33:28,120
opportunities and personal sense of be

4867
03:33:28,120 --> 03:33:30,720
belonging and whereas both the county of

4868
03:33:30,720 --> 03:33:32,359
Bruce and all eight of the lower tier

4869
03:33:32,359 --> 03:33:34,720
municipalities are obligated to and have

4870
03:33:34,720 --> 03:33:36,399
committed to removing barriers and

4871
03:33:36,399 --> 03:33:38,319
working toward ensuring their facilities

4872
03:33:38,319 --> 03:33:40,520
services and amenities are compliant

4873
03:33:40,520 --> 03:33:42,560
with both the uh inario with

4874
03:33:42,560 --> 03:33:44,880
Disabilities Act and accessibility for

4875
03:33:44,880 --> 03:33:47,960
antarians with Disabilities Act and

4876
03:33:47,960 --> 03:33:49,720
whereas improving accessibility and

4877
03:33:49,720 --> 03:33:51,520
implementing breast practice requires

4878
03:33:51,520 --> 03:33:53,199
significant technical knowledge and

4879
03:33:53,199 --> 03:33:55,720
expertise in order to ensure capital and

4880
03:33:55,720 --> 03:33:57,760
operational projects program Services

4881
03:33:57,760 --> 03:34:00,040
site plans bylaws and more are compliant

4882
03:34:00,040 --> 03:34:04,199
or exceed Oda aoda and other related leg

4883
03:34:04,199 --> 03:34:06,319
legislation and whereas lower tier

4884
03:34:06,319 --> 03:34:08,160
municipalities including those with

4885
03:34:08,160 --> 03:34:10,160
highly engaged accessibility advisory

4886
03:34:10,160 --> 03:34:11,520
committees would benefit from a

4887
03:34:11,520 --> 03:34:13,120
collaborative approach that increases

4888
03:34:13,120 --> 03:34:15,239
their ability to access this type of

4889
03:34:15,239 --> 03:34:17,800
knowledge expertise and experience and

4890
03:34:17,800 --> 03:34:19,279
whereas the neighboring counties of

4891
03:34:19,279 --> 03:34:21,160
hurin and gray as well as others such as

4892
03:34:21,160 --> 03:34:22,560
Elgen and middle sex employ

4893
03:34:22,560 --> 03:34:24,479
accessibility coordinators that act as a

4894
03:34:24,479 --> 03:34:26,199
single point of contact for the county

4895
03:34:26,199 --> 03:34:28,560
itself and the lower tier municipalities

4896
03:34:28,560 --> 03:34:30,120
and whereas these accessibility

4897
03:34:30,120 --> 03:34:32,199
coordinators consult on accessibility

4898
03:34:32,199 --> 03:34:33,720
related projects assist with

4899
03:34:33,720 --> 03:34:35,520
implementation of accessibility

4900
03:34:35,520 --> 03:34:37,960
standards providing training communicate

4901
03:34:37,960 --> 03:34:39,439
best practice identify grant

4902
03:34:39,439 --> 03:34:41,239
opportunities and share resources with

4903
03:34:41,239 --> 03:34:43,279
staff committees and the public and

4904
03:34:43,279 --> 03:34:45,040
whereas the county of Bruce has already

4905
03:34:45,040 --> 03:34:47,080
taken positive ly aligned actions by

4906
03:34:47,080 --> 03:34:48,279
setting a goal of becoming a

4907
03:34:48,279 --> 03:34:50,040
barrier-free community multi-year

4908
03:34:50,040 --> 03:34:52,640
accessibility plan achieving a dementia

4909
03:34:52,640 --> 03:34:54,319
friendly designation for Bruce County

4910
03:34:54,319 --> 03:34:55,840
public libraries introducing an

4911
03:34:55,840 --> 03:34:57,640
age-friendly strategy and adopting a

4912
03:34:57,640 --> 03:34:59,199
transportation master plan that

4913
03:34:59,199 --> 03:35:00,680
highlights the importance of

4914
03:35:00,680 --> 03:35:02,680
accessibility now therefore be it

4915
03:35:02,680 --> 03:35:05,399
resolved that the municipality of conard

4916
03:35:05,399 --> 03:35:07,160
requests that the county of Bruce

4917
03:35:07,160 --> 03:35:09,199
introduce an accessibility coordinator

4918
03:35:09,199 --> 03:35:11,479
position to act as a collaborative

4919
03:35:11,479 --> 03:35:13,880
capacity building resource for County

4920
03:35:13,880 --> 03:35:15,680
and lower tier staff except

4921
03:35:15,680 --> 03:35:17,600
accessibility advisory committees in the

4922
03:35:17,600 --> 03:35:19,239
public so that Bruce County can become a

4923
03:35:19,239 --> 03:35:21,040
leader in building accessible welcoming

4924
03:35:21,040 --> 03:35:23,399
communities for residents and visitors

4925
03:35:23,399 --> 03:35:24,600
of all

4926
03:35:24,600 --> 03:35:27,199
abilities all in

4927
03:35:27,199 --> 03:35:35,349
favor

4928
03:35:35,359 --> 03:35:40,910
carried no we can we all we're doing is

4929
03:35:40,920 --> 03:35:44,399
advocating I already done it but there's

4930
03:35:44,399 --> 03:35:46,600
an official motion that the uh County

4931
03:35:46,600 --> 03:35:48,040
staff is aware is

4932
03:35:48,040 --> 03:35:50,840
coming consideration of bylaws we need a

4933
03:35:50,840 --> 03:35:52,720
moover and second that following bylaws

4934
03:35:52,720 --> 03:35:54,479
are hereby read a first second and third

4935
03:35:54,479 --> 03:35:57,560
time finally pass this 9th of

4936
03:35:57,560 --> 03:36:01,479
September October

4937
03:36:01,479 --> 03:36:06,520
October uh amendment to zoning bylaw

4938
03:36:06,520 --> 03:36:11,479
20325 for 728 North Line bylaw 202

4939
03:36:11,479 --> 03:36:16,000
24-36 2025 rates and fees by law 2024

4940
03:36:16,000 --> 03:36:16,800
uh

4941
03:36:16,800 --> 03:36:19,120
-137 plans of subdivision and

4942
03:36:19,120 --> 03:36:23,040
development policy bylaw 2024 d138 who

4943
03:36:23,040 --> 03:36:26,560
by counselers hinchberger and Cavanaugh

4944
03:36:26,560 --> 03:36:30,199
all in favor that's carried consent

4945
03:36:30,199 --> 03:36:32,399
agenda items listed under the consent

4946
03:36:32,399 --> 03:36:34,920
agenda are considered routine and are

4947
03:36:34,920 --> 03:36:38,040
passed uh in one motion except for any

4948
03:36:38,040 --> 03:36:40,120
items which are withdrawn for discussion

4949
03:36:40,120 --> 03:36:43,840
either tonight or uh in the following

4950
03:36:43,840 --> 03:36:47,359
meeting um any any uh items to be

4951
03:36:47,359 --> 03:36:50,040
withdrawn councelor Stein off gray

4952
03:36:50,040 --> 03:36:53,960
please um I would like to withdraw if I

4953
03:36:53,960 --> 03:36:56,279
could sorry I'm looking at the numbers

4954
03:36:56,279 --> 03:36:59,279
here under

4955
03:36:59,279 --> 03:37:05,359
8.1 um a and then B and then a actually

4956
03:37:05,359 --> 03:37:07,800
no a nope Bravo again environmental

4957
03:37:07,800 --> 03:37:10,840
service compliance report for September

4958
03:37:10,840 --> 03:37:13,720
2024 um one of the things that made

4959
03:37:13,720 --> 03:37:16,800
reference in um that particular report

4960
03:37:16,800 --> 03:37:20,960
was with regards to um a drinking water

4961
03:37:20,960 --> 03:37:23,359
quality risk management assessment and

4962
03:37:23,359 --> 03:37:25,080
it sounded like we have some kind of

4963
03:37:25,080 --> 03:37:27,080
assessment that's happening that happens

4964
03:37:27,080 --> 03:37:28,760
every five years it didn't really give

4965
03:37:28,760 --> 03:37:30,560
me a lot of details and I was wondering

4966
03:37:30,560 --> 03:37:32,279
if it was possible to have that returned

4967
03:37:32,279 --> 03:37:34,800
with the staff report um priority

4968
03:37:34,800 --> 03:37:36,960
ranking based on the risk likelihood and

4969
03:37:36,960 --> 03:37:39,199
the corresponding mitigations by cost so

4970
03:37:39,199 --> 03:37:41,680
that we can give that proper

4971
03:37:41,680 --> 03:37:44,199
consideration it was a oneliner in the

4972
03:37:44,199 --> 03:37:47,600
report but I I'd like understand it

4973
03:37:47,600 --> 03:37:51,160
better uh Mark

4974
03:37:51,160 --> 03:37:54,120
please can we uh

4975
03:37:54,120 --> 03:37:58,120
uh can do do you want an explanation or

4976
03:37:58,120 --> 03:37:59,680
would you like some written sort of

4977
03:37:59,680 --> 03:38:01,560
report what was your expectation I don't

4978
03:38:01,560 --> 03:38:03,439
want to put him on the spot because it

4979
03:38:03,439 --> 03:38:05,840
didn't go into detail in the report I it

4980
03:38:05,840 --> 03:38:08,160
was more of a comeback um if he could

4981
03:38:08,160 --> 03:38:10,279
provide that I think it's important for

4982
03:38:10,279 --> 03:38:12,520
us to understand um so that we can

4983
03:38:12,520 --> 03:38:14,279
properly prioritize and fund those

4984
03:38:14,279 --> 03:38:17,479
mitigations BAS some

4985
03:38:17,479 --> 03:38:20,319
probability could we get some uh written

4986
03:38:20,319 --> 03:38:23,840
feedback on uh that line you might uh

4987
03:38:23,840 --> 03:38:25,880
you might need to confer with counselor

4988
03:38:25,880 --> 03:38:28,239
Stein offra just to make sure you uh

4989
03:38:28,239 --> 03:38:31,840
know what she needs okay is that a can

4990
03:38:31,840 --> 03:38:33,399
we ask that of you please can we ask

4991
03:38:33,399 --> 03:38:37,319
that of you up just he might have a

4992
03:38:37,319 --> 03:38:39,520
comment speak to it right now or do you

4993
03:38:39,520 --> 03:38:41,000
know the answer right

4994
03:38:41,000 --> 03:38:44,640
now so through you mayor Craig we uh the

4995
03:38:44,640 --> 03:38:46,120
drinking water quality management

4996
03:38:46,120 --> 03:38:49,080
standard does uh risk assessment which

4997
03:38:49,080 --> 03:38:52,880
has to basically has to do with um

4998
03:38:52,880 --> 03:38:55,520
ensuring compliance with all drinking

4999
03:38:55,520 --> 03:38:57,279
water assessment threats which would be

5000
03:38:57,279 --> 03:39:00,000
for all drinking water systems um so

5001
03:39:00,000 --> 03:39:02,399
typically they're they're done on

5002
03:39:02,399 --> 03:39:04,000
severity

5003
03:39:04,000 --> 03:39:06,760
vulnerability um and then they're

5004
03:39:06,760 --> 03:39:09,880
assessed a score some of those trigger

5005
03:39:09,880 --> 03:39:12,120
critical control points which then

5006
03:39:12,120 --> 03:39:15,359
trigger us to implement um standard off

5007
03:39:15,359 --> 03:39:17,319
operating procedures or contingency

5008
03:39:17,319 --> 03:39:19,520
plans so we can certainly share all

5009
03:39:19,520 --> 03:39:22,359
those uh documents with the counselor

5010
03:39:22,359 --> 03:39:24,120
and if she has any follow-up questions

5011
03:39:24,120 --> 03:39:25,760
or would like some follow-up data we

5012
03:39:25,760 --> 03:39:27,920
would be glad to put those

5013
03:39:27,920 --> 03:39:31,080
together thank

5014
03:39:31,080 --> 03:39:34,199
you uh councelor hinchberger please

5015
03:39:34,199 --> 03:39:36,000
thank you through you mayor quickly it's

5016
03:39:36,000 --> 03:39:38,800
uh 81 8.1 ba the infrastructure and

5017
03:39:38,800 --> 03:39:40,720
development third quar report it'll be a

5018
03:39:40,720 --> 03:39:41,840
question for the manager of

5019
03:39:41,840 --> 03:39:44,199
Environmental Services does the annual

5020
03:39:44,199 --> 03:39:46,040
inspections of our water and Wastewater

5021
03:39:46,040 --> 03:39:48,880
emergency generators also include auto

5022
03:39:48,880 --> 03:39:51,279
start testing of its capabilities so

5023
03:39:51,279 --> 03:39:54,560
that when we do actually have a power uh

5024
03:39:54,560 --> 03:39:56,199
uh Interruption that these generators

5025
03:39:56,199 --> 03:39:58,399
work can give us seamless transition and

5026
03:39:58,399 --> 03:40:00,520
maintenance of

5027
03:40:00,520 --> 03:40:03,720
process through you mayor Craig so uh

5028
03:40:03,720 --> 03:40:05,520
councelor hinchberger we have annual

5029
03:40:05,520 --> 03:40:08,120
service completed by an outside firm and

5030
03:40:08,120 --> 03:40:11,880
then we do monthly uh generator runs at

5031
03:40:11,880 --> 03:40:15,520
each site those are not Auto we actually

5032
03:40:15,520 --> 03:40:18,080
staff those to ensure that we're

5033
03:40:18,080 --> 03:40:19,760
collecting readings that things will

5034
03:40:19,760 --> 03:40:22,960
transition over properly um so we're

5035
03:40:22,960 --> 03:40:24,760
we're not a big lover of the auto

5036
03:40:24,760 --> 03:40:27,840
startups that are uh common because at

5037
03:40:27,840 --> 03:40:29,279
times you might not have staff there to

5038
03:40:29,279 --> 03:40:30,880
see things so those are those are

5039
03:40:30,880 --> 03:40:34,760
completed every month by the operation

5040
03:40:34,760 --> 03:40:37,239
staff what I meant was maybe a

5041
03:40:37,239 --> 03:40:39,279
translation here is you could have staff

5042
03:40:39,279 --> 03:40:41,399
present on the site basically interrupt

5043
03:40:41,399 --> 03:40:43,760
the normal line voltage and demonstrate

5044
03:40:43,760 --> 03:40:45,840
that the emergency generator will start

5045
03:40:45,840 --> 03:40:47,720
up and pick up the load that's what I'm

5046
03:40:47,720 --> 03:40:50,560
getting at that is absolutely what we do

5047
03:40:50,560 --> 03:40:53,000
councelor hinchberger we disconnect to

5048
03:40:53,000 --> 03:40:55,319
ensure that everything flips over

5049
03:40:55,319 --> 03:41:00,070
properly thank you very

5050
03:41:00,080 --> 03:41:03,800
much so we need a mover and second the

5051
03:41:03,800 --> 03:41:06,040
council approved the recommendations

5052
03:41:06,040 --> 03:41:08,040
contained in the consent agenda dated

5053
03:41:08,040 --> 03:41:10,080
October 9 2024 and direct staff to

5054
03:41:10,080 --> 03:41:11,239
proceed with all necessary

5055
03:41:11,239 --> 03:41:13,199
administrative actions moved by

5056
03:41:13,199 --> 03:41:15,520
councilors Cavanaugh and deputy mayor

5057
03:41:15,520 --> 03:41:17,840
all in favor and that's

5058
03:41:17,840 --> 03:41:19,359
carried

5059
03:41:19,359 --> 03:41:24,309
council member of council General

5060
03:41:24,319 --> 03:41:26,560
announcements Deputy Mayor have anything

5061
03:41:26,560 --> 03:41:27,680
for us

5062
03:41:27,680 --> 03:41:29,680
tonight thank you mayor through you

5063
03:41:29,680 --> 03:41:31,960
October is women's history month so it's

5064
03:41:31,960 --> 03:41:33,960
a time to recognize and celebrate the

5065
03:41:33,960 --> 03:41:36,560
contributions of women and girls

5066
03:41:36,560 --> 03:41:40,720
throughout our society and Happy

5067
03:41:40,720 --> 03:41:43,720
Thanksgiving councelor hinchberger thank

5068
03:41:43,720 --> 03:41:45,920
you to you mayor uh as long as Deputy

5069
03:41:45,920 --> 03:41:47,319
Mayor Clark brought up women's History

5070
03:41:47,319 --> 03:41:49,439
Month I my mother's no longer with us

5071
03:41:49,439 --> 03:41:50,880
anymore but one of probably the biggest

5072
03:41:50,880 --> 03:41:52,600
influence in my life and she had one

5073
03:41:52,600 --> 03:41:54,960
great quote she used to say proudly I

5074
03:41:54,960 --> 03:41:56,960
share no man's opinion for I have one of

5075
03:41:56,960 --> 03:41:59,840
my own and I I never forget that like

5076
03:41:59,840 --> 03:42:03,439
she was a force um just uh councelor

5077
03:42:03,439 --> 03:42:06,560
kavana and I had the pleasure this past

5078
03:42:06,560 --> 03:42:10,720
Saturday of uh planting trees and shrubs

5079
03:42:10,720 --> 03:42:12,960
over 150 were planted I only could get

5080
03:42:12,960 --> 03:42:16,600
five in the ground myself uh at the Alps

5081
03:42:16,600 --> 03:42:18,120
uh Park they're going to continue

5082
03:42:18,120 --> 03:42:20,960
working the spring of 2025 on the food

5083
03:42:20,960 --> 03:42:23,560
Force so uh great turnout and it was

5084
03:42:23,560 --> 03:42:25,950
great

5085
03:42:25,960 --> 03:42:31,309
weather councelor Blackwell

5086
03:42:31,319 --> 03:42:34,279
please uh thank you through you I have a

5087
03:42:34,279 --> 03:42:36,720
couple but I try to be quick so this

5088
03:42:36,720 --> 03:42:40,520
week is um fire prevention week I

5089
03:42:40,520 --> 03:42:43,680
believe and as someone who unfortunately

5090
03:42:43,680 --> 03:42:45,800
has had a property complet Ely burned to

5091
03:42:45,800 --> 03:42:48,159
the ground um but everyone got out

5092
03:42:48,159 --> 03:42:49,920
safely because they were working smoke

5093
03:42:49,920 --> 03:42:52,640
alarms so please ensure that people are

5094
03:42:52,640 --> 03:42:54,000
checking their smoke alarms that they

5095
03:42:54,000 --> 03:42:56,040
have safety plans um and that we can all

5096
03:42:56,040 --> 03:42:59,560
stay safe I know our um firefighters and

5097
03:42:59,560 --> 03:43:01,000
emergency management team are putting

5098
03:43:01,000 --> 03:43:03,960
some great content out on social media

5099
03:43:03,960 --> 03:43:06,600
um also it is the 40th anniversary of

5100
03:43:06,600 --> 03:43:08,520
the women's house um they're hosting

5101
03:43:08,520 --> 03:43:10,920
their Gala on October 19th this year

5102
03:43:10,920 --> 03:43:14,920
alone they served more than um 550 women

5103
03:43:14,920 --> 03:43:18,159
and and over 250 children um in addition

5104
03:43:18,159 --> 03:43:20,680
to over 2,000 crisis calls so there's

5105
03:43:20,680 --> 03:43:23,399
certainly um a service that we still

5106
03:43:23,399 --> 03:43:25,120
unfortunately need but we're grateful to

5107
03:43:25,120 --> 03:43:27,479
have them in our community um last I

5108
03:43:27,479 --> 03:43:29,560
wanted to thank um so many of the

5109
03:43:29,560 --> 03:43:30,880
different members of our community who

5110
03:43:30,880 --> 03:43:32,600
have been out there doing some fall

5111
03:43:32,600 --> 03:43:35,319
cleaning um Andrew Evans the Heron

5112
03:43:35,319 --> 03:43:37,720
Fringe field naturalist canar Lions Club

5113
03:43:37,720 --> 03:43:40,159
prois Club lots and lots of Youth have

5114
03:43:40,159 --> 03:43:41,479
been out cleaning up our beaches and

5115
03:43:41,479 --> 03:43:43,000
local roads getting everything looking

5116
03:43:43,000 --> 03:43:45,640
really nice um and I just want to uh

5117
03:43:45,640 --> 03:43:48,840
share my appreciation for all their hard

5118
03:43:48,840 --> 03:43:53,000
work Conor Stein off gr please thank you

5119
03:43:53,000 --> 03:43:54,560
um through you chair I'm just going to

5120
03:43:54,560 --> 03:43:56,439
bring awareness to shivon which is

5121
03:43:56,439 --> 03:43:58,600
happening in titon October 18th through

5122
03:43:58,600 --> 03:44:01,199
20th so the Friday through to the Sunday

5123
03:44:01,199 --> 03:44:02,760
there's a family Halloween dance

5124
03:44:02,760 --> 03:44:04,920
happening on the Friday the tour of

5125
03:44:04,920 --> 03:44:06,800
Terrors if you're brave enough to handle

5126
03:44:06,800 --> 03:44:09,080
it uh will be occurring on the Friday

5127
03:44:09,080 --> 03:44:12,680
Saturday and Sunday um so uh hopefully

5128
03:44:12,680 --> 03:44:15,239
you're ready for that and then they also

5129
03:44:15,239 --> 03:44:16,880
have a Halloween vendor Village that's

5130
03:44:16,880 --> 03:44:19,239
happening on the Saturday and Sunday um

5131
03:44:19,239 --> 03:44:21,279
and some other festivities that will all

5132
03:44:21,279 --> 03:44:22,800
be there at the Whitney Crawford

5133
03:44:22,800 --> 03:44:25,199
Community Center so I just recommend

5134
03:44:25,199 --> 03:44:27,279
that everyone come out and I don't see

5135
03:44:27,279 --> 03:44:29,000
it on the advertisement but I'm pretty

5136
03:44:29,000 --> 03:44:33,880
confident I heard that the um food truck

5137
03:44:33,880 --> 03:44:36,840
from the airport cheesy monkey is also

5138
03:44:36,840 --> 03:44:40,399
going to be there so um it it's shaping

5139
03:44:40,399 --> 03:44:42,800
up to be a great day so anyone who can

5140
03:44:42,800 --> 03:44:44,920
make it please do so and Mike we missed

5141
03:44:44,920 --> 03:44:46,960
you you at the uh Horse Show I had to

5142
03:44:46,960 --> 03:44:48,840
move those barrels by myself it was a

5143
03:44:48,840 --> 03:44:50,080
sad

5144
03:44:50,080 --> 03:44:54,760
day thank you councelor pranger please

5145
03:44:54,760 --> 03:44:57,159
thank you um for those of you that

5146
03:44:57,159 --> 03:44:58,680
haven't heard unfortunately the San

5147
03:44:58,680 --> 03:45:00,279
Valley conservation Authority head

5148
03:45:00,279 --> 03:45:02,120
office had a catastrophic lightning

5149
03:45:02,120 --> 03:45:05,720
strike on Sunday um October 6th the

5150
03:45:05,720 --> 03:45:08,000
building is uninhabitable and is

5151
03:45:08,000 --> 03:45:10,640
currently closed um however they are

5152
03:45:10,640 --> 03:45:13,800
working furiously to get everything back

5153
03:45:13,800 --> 03:45:15,720
online servers online

5154
03:45:15,720 --> 03:45:17,040
um some staff are already working

5155
03:45:17,040 --> 03:45:19,279
remotely even though um that was

5156
03:45:19,279 --> 03:45:20,479
difficult to get them equipment and

5157
03:45:20,479 --> 03:45:22,479
whatnot uh there has been a press

5158
03:45:22,479 --> 03:45:24,359
release it has all the information you

5159
03:45:24,359 --> 03:45:25,920
need in place you need to contact

5160
03:45:25,920 --> 03:45:29,520
someone or spec specifically say campers

5161
03:45:29,520 --> 03:45:31,960
need to pay bills or or check out or

5162
03:45:31,960 --> 03:45:34,080
something like that um that those

5163
03:45:34,080 --> 03:45:35,760
superintendents are still available at

5164
03:45:35,760 --> 03:45:38,399
the camp sites um but for people with

5165
03:45:38,399 --> 03:45:41,319
planning uh ongoing planning files you

5166
03:45:41,319 --> 03:45:43,279
can still contact the person responsible

5167
03:45:43,279 --> 03:45:45,159
that for that file they are working from

5168
03:45:45,159 --> 03:45:47,960
home and um servers are coming back

5169
03:45:47,960 --> 03:45:51,800
online uh right now so uh I'll just say

5170
03:45:51,800 --> 03:45:53,359
that no one was hurt no one was in the

5171
03:45:53,359 --> 03:45:54,640
building not even maintenance staff or

5172
03:45:54,640 --> 03:45:55,680
anything were in the building at the

5173
03:45:55,680 --> 03:45:58,279
time however uh they do believe if

5174
03:45:58,279 --> 03:46:01,000
anyone was they would have been severely

5175
03:46:01,000 --> 03:46:03,560
hurt or or killed so we're very lucky

5176
03:46:03,560 --> 03:46:07,120
that it was empty at the time and uh um

5177
03:46:07,120 --> 03:46:09,199
we will have updates coming I guess for

5178
03:46:09,199 --> 03:46:13,630
when everything gets back online

5179
03:46:13,640 --> 03:46:15,680
they so sorry it's not in a natural

5180
03:46:15,680 --> 03:46:17,880
Hazard area it was struck by

5181
03:46:17,880 --> 03:46:20,880
lightning Oh you mean flooding that that

5182
03:46:20,880 --> 03:46:23,840
kind of you're not get flood Mak

5183
03:46:23,840 --> 03:46:26,120
councelor hinchberger is doing

5184
03:46:26,120 --> 03:46:30,680
me okay councelor Stewart please thank

5185
03:46:30,680 --> 03:46:33,040
you uh you took one of my uh things but

5186
03:46:33,040 --> 03:46:34,600
thank you very much for mentioning it it

5187
03:46:34,600 --> 03:46:36,000
blew out the front doors I mean this

5188
03:46:36,000 --> 03:46:37,720
thing was a major thing I mean it it

5189
03:46:37,720 --> 03:46:39,520
just blew out the whole building all

5190
03:46:39,520 --> 03:46:42,120
electrical um another thing is I'd like

5191
03:46:42,120 --> 03:46:44,520
to thank the tan agricultur Society the

5192
03:46:44,520 --> 03:46:46,640
lion and everyone who participated to

5193
03:46:46,640 --> 03:46:48,319
make the tit and Fall Fair a huge

5194
03:46:48,319 --> 03:46:50,479
success and thank for the person

5195
03:46:50,479 --> 03:46:52,520
upstairs who made the weather even nicer

5196
03:46:52,520 --> 03:46:55,040
so that was great Jane I'd like to thank

5197
03:46:55,040 --> 03:46:56,840
you and your staff the fairgrounds never

5198
03:46:56,840 --> 03:46:58,680
looked as good as they did that weekend

5199
03:46:58,680 --> 03:47:00,439
so I know you guys did a lot of work so

5200
03:47:00,439 --> 03:47:02,960
thank you very much and I guess a few of

5201
03:47:02,960 --> 03:47:04,520
us will be going to the Chamber of

5202
03:47:04,520 --> 03:47:06,880
Commerce award to tomorrow night so

5203
03:47:06,880 --> 03:47:08,760
we'll be breaking some bread so maybe

5204
03:47:08,760 --> 03:47:12,159
we'll see you there or not and that's

5205
03:47:12,159 --> 03:47:16,000
it ccor Kavanaugh

5206
03:47:16,000 --> 03:47:16,960
thank you very much and through the

5207
03:47:16,960 --> 03:47:18,359
chair it's hard going towards the end I

5208
03:47:18,359 --> 03:47:20,120
don't know why you do it you should go

5209
03:47:20,120 --> 03:47:22,399
first um I guess the one thing I will

5210
03:47:22,399 --> 03:47:24,479
share is that uh our Council currently

5211
03:47:24,479 --> 03:47:26,640
has a vacancy and uh is accepting

5212
03:47:26,640 --> 03:47:28,239
applications for someone interested in

5213
03:47:28,239 --> 03:47:30,880
joining us um you can submit through the

5214
03:47:30,880 --> 03:47:32,399
clerk's office during regular business

5215
03:47:32,399 --> 03:47:37,389
hours and that is open until October

5216
03:47:37,399 --> 03:47:41,080
25th so our dropin Center downtown

5217
03:47:41,080 --> 03:47:44,080
concard and the bridge is hosting a uh

5218
03:47:44,080 --> 03:47:46,600
fundraising activity up at Underwood

5219
03:47:46,600 --> 03:47:49,359
Saturday night it is a dinner dance sort

5220
03:47:49,359 --> 03:47:52,560
of thing uh line dancing predominantly

5221
03:47:52,560 --> 03:47:54,680
so if you're good at that bring your

5222
03:47:54,680 --> 03:47:57,479
cowboy hat and your boots and away we go

5223
03:47:57,479 --> 03:47:59,120
and uh we're right in the middle of

5224
03:47:59,120 --> 03:48:01,199
Agriculture week

5225
03:48:01,199 --> 03:48:03,479
so if you have opportunity thank a

5226
03:48:03,479 --> 03:48:06,239
farmer for having a great breakfast

5227
03:48:06,239 --> 03:48:08,680
today okay

5228
03:48:08,680 --> 03:48:16,429
ceao I have no announcements

5229
03:48:16,439 --> 03:48:20,239
all right so we need a mover and

5230
03:48:20,239 --> 03:48:21,920
seconder the council moveing to close

5231
03:48:21,920 --> 03:48:24,239
session pursuant to section 2392 of the

5232
03:48:24,239 --> 03:48:26,600
municipal act as amended for the purpose

5233
03:48:26,600 --> 03:48:28,080
of considering the closed session

5234
03:48:28,080 --> 03:48:30,520
minutes dated September 25

5235
03:48:30,520 --> 03:48:32,920
2024 trade secret or scientific

5236
03:48:32,920 --> 03:48:34,800
technical commercial Financial or Labor

5237
03:48:34,800 --> 03:48:36,560
Relations information supplied in

5238
03:48:36,560 --> 03:48:38,279
confidence to the municipality or local

5239
03:48:38,279 --> 03:48:40,040
board which if disclosed could

5240
03:48:40,040 --> 03:48:41,720
reasonably be expected to Prejudice

5241
03:48:41,720 --> 03:48:43,319
significantly the competitive position

5242
03:48:43,319 --> 03:48:44,920
or interfere significantly with

5243
03:48:44,920 --> 03:48:46,920
contractual or other negotiations of a

5244
03:48:46,920 --> 03:48:49,920
person group or persons or organizations

5245
03:48:49,920 --> 03:48:52,479
Bruce Powers Municipal social economic

5246
03:48:52,479 --> 03:48:55,960
existing concessions report H personal

5247
03:48:55,960 --> 03:48:58,159
matters about an identifiable individual

5248
03:48:58,159 --> 03:49:00,359
including mpal or local board employee

5249
03:49:00,359 --> 03:49:02,399
candidates for vacancy on accessibility

5250
03:49:02,399 --> 03:49:04,560
advisory committee and fur that the

5251
03:49:04,560 --> 03:49:06,279
council returned to regular open meeting

5252
03:49:06,279 --> 03:49:08,439
upon completion move by counselors

5253
03:49:08,439 --> 03:49:13,800
Blackwell and hinchberger all in favor