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[3:02] okay folks here we
[3:06] go I'd like to call to order the regular
[3:09] meeting of the Council of the
[3:10] corporation of the municipality of
[3:11] kardan at 5:00 on October 9th 2024 in
[3:15] the council chamers at the M Municipal
[3:17] Administration
[3:18] Center uh roll call this evening Deputy
[3:21] Mayor Clark pres councelor Blackwell
[3:24] present councelor Kavanaugh pres
[3:26] councelor hinchberger present councelor
[3:28] pranger present councelor off gray
[3:30] present councelor Stewart present and
[3:33] I'd like to acknowledge the uh many
[3:36] staff and guests that we have in our
[3:38] Gallery this evening uh councelor Stein
[3:41] off gray
[3:42] please thank you we would like to begin
[3:44] by acknowledging that we are meeting on
[3:46] the traditional lands and treaty
[3:47] territory of the Sago jiay nation which
[3:50] includes the Chipawa of Nash unseated
[3:53] First Nation and the chipa was of sagin
[3:55] first nation whose ancestors were the
[3:57] first to inhabit care for and live on
[3:59] this land Land We recognize and deeply
[4:01] appreciate the contributions that
[4:03] indigenous peoples have made both in
[4:05] caring for this land and shaping and
[4:06] strengthening this community our
[4:08] Province and our country as a public
[4:11] service organization we are dedicated to
[4:13] learning and acknowledging indigenous
[4:15] history and culture and are committed to
[4:17] actions that move us towards a journey
[4:18] of Truth healing and reconciliation with
[4:21] the Sagi noji Nation the matey nation of
[4:24] Ontario and the historic sagin matei
[4:30] are there any amendments additions or
[4:32] dels to or from the agenda this
[4:34] evening seeing none I'd like to remind
[4:37] counselors to disclose any pecuniary
[4:39] interest now or as it uh happens
[4:42] throughout the meeting and the general
[4:43] nature
[4:44] thereof so we need a moover and seconder
[4:47] that the minutes of the council meetings
[4:48] held on September 23 2024 and September
[4:51] 25 2024 be adopted as
[4:57] printed okay we need to move for second
[5:00] please councelor Blackwell Deputy Mayor
[5:03] Clark uh are there any uh discussion
[5:07] councelor Stewart please thank you
[5:08] through you chair um the post meeting
[5:10] minutes on September 25th section 9.1
[5:15] matters arising out a closed
[5:17] session I need help here because number
[5:21] four said the potential litigation
[5:23] matter was provided for
[5:25] information but from my understanding of
[5:28] the close session
[5:30] we actually gave some directions to
[5:32] staff but that's not captured here is
[5:34] that correct we gave directions to
[5:38] staff so I'm a little
[5:41] confused because the two other ones it
[5:43] said Direction was provided Direction
[5:45] was provided to staff I thought we gave
[5:47] some directions to staff help
[5:54] please to you um mayor to the counselor
[6:00] um on that particular item uh no there
[6:02] was no Direction provided to staff it
[6:04] was information um presented to council
[6:08] by the
[6:12] lawyer um if I I there was no Direction
[6:17] given to our staff there was a uh a
[6:20] process perhaps that was acknowledged by
[6:23] our legal counselor but you know
[6:25] specifically there was none given to our
[6:27] staff for followup so
[6:30] it could be splitting hairs but like
[6:33] specifically to our staff I don't
[6:35] believe there was any direction given it
[6:36] was more to our legal council so whether
[6:39] whether that's included to staff I don't
[6:41] I'm not sure the technicality of that
[6:42] but there was there was a process that
[6:45] was being
[6:46] undertaken routine just routine okay
[6:49] yeah that that explains it I just was a
[6:51] little bit confused because there was
[6:53] something given yep thank you any
[6:56] further discussion all in favor and
[6:59] that's
[7:00] carried matters for public participation
[7:04] we have need a move or and second or the
[7:06] council move into the committee of
[7:07] adjustment meeting and upon completion
[7:09] return to council moved by counselors
[7:11] pringer and hinchberger all in favor
[7:14] that's carried so we're now in Committee
[7:17] of adjustment I'd like to call to order
[7:19] the committee of adjustment meeting of
[7:21] the council for the corporation at uh
[7:23] 504 on October 9th uh roll call Remains
[7:27] the Same uh once again remind uh
[7:31] counselors to declare any pecuniary
[7:33] interest in the nature thereof adoption
[7:35] of minutes we need a moover in seconder
[7:37] that the minutes of the committee of
[7:38] adjustment meeting of October 14 2024 be
[7:41] adopted as printed moved by councilors
[7:44] Kavanaugh and steinhof gr any discussion
[7:47] all in favor that's
[7:50] carried all right we have a uh next on
[7:54] the agenda is a hearing for minor
[7:56] variance file number a 2024
[8:00] 012 and this is a hearing under the
[8:02] planning act so we have two minor
[8:05] variances this evening and later on in
[8:07] the open Agenda we have a uh planning
[8:11] application the uh instructions
[8:13] regarding the process of the meeting
[8:15] remain the same for each one so I'm just
[8:17] going to read it once and then remind
[8:18] you that we're going to do it again and
[8:20] again so uh this is a hearing under the
[8:23] planning act so if anyone from the
[8:25] public is interested in this application
[8:27] or wishes to receive a notice of the
[8:29] decision there is an email address
[8:32] available from our planner this evening
[8:35] Jake uh uh bfield
[8:40] bousta
[8:43] booi uh it's the email is just too weird
[8:46] to read out nobody's going to listen to
[8:47] it anyway uh so first we're going to
[8:50] receive a report from our planning staff
[8:52] and then the committee members will have
[8:53] an opportunity to ask questions and I
[8:56] will ask them to reserve their comments
[8:58] on the application you know the the
[8:59] questions you ask are technical in
[9:00] nature reserve their comments on the
[9:02] application till we've heard from the
[9:04] public then we'll hear from the public
[9:06] who are here in person virtually or of
[9:08] submitted
[9:09] correspondence uh to the above email
[9:12] that I didn't give members of the public
[9:14] are advised that the right to appeal the
[9:16] decision on this application is limited
[9:19] to specified persons and public bodies
[9:21] as defined in the planning act or the
[9:23] owner or applicant of the land subject
[9:25] to the amendment who have provided oral
[9:27] or written comments to the committee on
[9:29] on the application before the decision
[9:30] is made so if after we've heard from the
[9:33] public the committee will discuss and
[9:34] consider a recommendation on this
[9:36] application so I now declare the hearing
[9:38] open and ask the planner Jake busfield
[9:42] batito to present the
[9:46] application thank you good evening
[9:48] committee so the first proposal before
[9:51] you tonight is uh file a12 ban uh this
[9:55] is for a reduction in a rear yard
[9:57] setback from the require 7.5 M to 5.5 m
[10:03] The Proposal is for an addition at 39
[10:06] Institute uh along the bay dor Shoreline
[10:09] for a two-car garage with a second story
[10:13] addition portions of the existing
[10:15] structure are up to 2.2 M from the rear
[10:19] yard um the bulk of the addition will be
[10:21] set back around 6.8 M from the rear lot
[10:26] line except for a turret feature which
[10:29] would be 5.5 m so in considering the
[10:33] four tests of the minor variance um I
[10:36] won't detail all four of them but
[10:38] instead draw your attention to
[10:40] maintaining the purpose and intent of
[10:42] the zoning bylaw so the intent of reard
[10:45] setbacks is to maintain orderly
[10:47] development and adequate open amenity
[10:51] space uh given portions of the existing
[10:54] dwelling are 2.2 M the proposal to
[10:57] create an addition set back between
[10:59] between 5.5 and 6.8 M uh does not
[11:02] introduce a new form of development to
[11:04] the
[11:05] area on top of that amenity space is
[11:08] generally maintained um the applicant
[11:10] has uh detailed that the area for the
[11:13] proposed garage is currently used for
[11:16] open parking and would th be replaced by
[11:18] sheltered parking in the garage and that
[11:21] pushing further to meet those uh that
[11:23] 7.5 M would require greater tree
[11:27] clearing uh I want to draw the committee
[11:29] attention to um two conditions which are
[11:34] proposed outside of the typical
[11:36] conditions one and two that you see um
[11:39] so the third uh condition relating to an
[11:42] archa archaeological study um a study
[11:46] was completed in consultation with Sagi
[11:48] njib Nation um this gets into the
[11:51] technicalities of how these are
[11:52] typically approved um typically the
[11:55] report is done uh following completion
[11:58] of indigenous review and engagement the
[12:01] reports are reviewed by the appropriate
[12:03] provincial Ministry and entered into
[12:06] their registry um we're experiencing
[12:08] delays in Ministry review there and
[12:10] considered it prudent to um keep the
[12:13] file moving through the approval process
[12:16] uh um leaving this last step as a
[12:20] condition uh the fourth condition is for
[12:24] a survey to be done um to confirm the
[12:27] existing and proposed setbacks uh and
[12:29] ensure that there's no encroachment into
[12:31] the municipally owned RightWay along the
[12:34] Waterfront um finally to note that uh s
[12:38] Valley conservation Authority have
[12:39] reviewed and confirmed that their haing
[12:42] Hazard
[12:43] mapping uh will be updated and that the
[12:45] proposal is outside of any Hazard
[12:48] mapping uh with these conditions
[12:50] Incorporated and the analysis provided
[12:53] we consider the application to meet the
[12:55] four tests of the minor variance and
[12:56] recommend approval
[13:01] thank you for that Jake are there any
[13:03] questions for the planner technical
[13:05] questions from the planner regarding the
[13:07] application councelor Stewart please
[13:09] thank you through you chair I I'm G to
[13:11] highly recommend you pushed it through
[13:13] and there is some conditions and
[13:14] everything but thank you for allowing
[13:17] that to go through Speedy because I know
[13:19] there is some delays outside of our
[13:20] control and your control so well done
[13:23] thank
[13:26] you uh just one for myself this is a
[13:29] gage with uh residential uh space above
[13:34] um is that uh is there a specified plan
[13:38] for uh B&B or residential does that does
[13:42] that residential unit above affect any
[13:45] of the land use uh in that particular
[13:48] area is that a concern at
[13:50] all it's just kind of a yes or no
[13:53] question no okay thank you
[13:59] all right now we'll hear from members of
[14:00] the public uh is the applicant or agent
[14:05] present and would you like to make a
[14:08] presentation uh please state your name
[14:10] when you get to the uh microphone for a
[14:13] record please
[14:15] sir name is Dan Beeman um Jake has done
[14:19] an excellent job on it pushing it
[14:21] through
[14:22] and I don't think we're the one the one
[14:25] entrance what we're doing is the
[14:28] building already has two separate
[14:30] sections to it and by putting the one
[14:33] entrance we're joining it making it and
[14:35] making it a four bedroom house just and
[14:38] it's now basically a two-bedroom and
[14:41] it's got a a small bachelor apartment
[14:43] and we're eliminating the bachelor
[14:44] apartment and just make it one
[14:48] house thank you Mr
[14:51] ban uh is there anyone else here from
[14:53] the public who would like to speak in
[14:55] support of this application
[15:00] uh is there anyone here who would like
[15:01] to speak with questions concerns or
[15:04] objections to the application anyone
[15:07] with objections to the
[15:10] application uh Jake were there any
[15:12] written submissions that uh we should
[15:15] hear about no
[15:17] okay uh all right do any committee
[15:20] members have any final questions of the
[15:22] applicant or
[15:24] anyone uh so now I declare the hearing
[15:26] to be closed and we'll consider the
[15:28] recommendation
[15:30] uh so we need a mover in second that the
[15:33] committee of adjustment approv minor
[15:34] variance A2 20242 for Dan and Ivon ban
[15:38] at the property located at 39 Institute
[15:41] road to permit a reduction in the rear
[15:42] yard setback from 7 and a half to five
[15:45] and a half meters moved by councilors
[15:47] Clark and
[15:49] Kavanaugh uh is there any discussion all
[15:52] in favor and that's
[15:55] carried next on the agenda is a hearing
[15:58] for minor variant file number 82 2024
[16:02] 031 uh same rules uh apply for this
[16:07] hearing as the last one I declare this
[16:10] hearing open and ask the planner Jake
[16:13] bufi bsto to present the application
[16:16] please I must be saying that really bad
[16:18] if with the smile that comes on your
[16:20] face am I bfield
[16:23] btia but but it doesn't matter I'm used
[16:26] to it hi Jake welcome yeah glad to have
[16:29] you here
[16:30] tonight so the um requested variance for
[16:34] this file is a reduced rear yard setback
[16:37] um for a shed at 558 C on Terrace uh the
[16:41] typical setback uh sorry from required 6
[16:45] M to a requested 2 m the typical setback
[16:49] for an accessory structure in a
[16:51] residential area can be one meter from a
[16:54] rear yard however for this particular
[16:57] lot which is considered uh through lot
[17:00] um given that station Beach Road is
[17:02] behind
[17:03] it um there are specific Provisions
[17:05] which require accessory structures in
[17:08] the rear yard to be subject to front
[17:10] yard setback which in this case is six
[17:12] meters so again um I'll draw your
[17:15] attention to the intent maintaining the
[17:17] intent of the zoning bylaw uh the
[17:20] provision related specific provision
[17:23] related to through Lots so these
[17:25] Provisions help to manage uh streetscape
[17:28] impacts to streets or lanes that would
[17:31] be Abed by a rear yard the street in
[17:34] question station Beach Road is not
[17:36] actually situated within that R of way
[17:39] um rather it's within a municipally
[17:42] owned piece of land along the
[17:44] beach uh so effectively station Beach
[17:47] Road is buffered from development at the
[17:49] rear of the property by the 20 meter
[17:51] Road allowance uh which is maintained in
[17:54] a vegetated semi-natural state uh the
[17:58] proposed shed wouldn't physically
[18:00] encroach in the allowance and would not
[18:02] limit any future potential uses of that
[18:04] road
[18:05] allowance um the site is constrained by
[18:08] the large Bluff feature bisecting it um
[18:11] permitting this reduced rear yard
[18:13] setback would allow for the proposal to
[18:16] situate a shed uh and a pool in the
[18:19] future beyond the toe of the slope and
[18:21] outside the Environmental Protection
[18:23] Zone um which sagin Valley conservation
[18:27] Authority has reviewed and supports the
[18:30] request
[18:31] um given the above we consider the
[18:34] proposal to meet the four tests of the
[18:36] minor variance and recommend
[18:41] approval thank you uh any technical
[18:45] questions for the
[18:46] planner councelor Blackwell please uh
[18:50] thank you through you um one of the
[18:52] comments is specifically about it being
[18:54] buffered from the station Beach Road
[18:56] with that road allowance when we did
[18:58] some of our Waterfront Master plans
[18:59] there was some discussion about
[19:01] potentially in the future of how that
[19:03] might be um organized a bit differently
[19:07] if we needed to open up um that
[19:09] currently vegetated Road allowance would
[19:11] you still recommend this if that was to
[19:14] be a
[19:16] road sure uh through you
[19:20] um if it were opened up as a road um of
[19:24] course this structure would be situated
[19:27] closer than the zoning bi law permits as
[19:29] of right um two things I would note
[19:32] there um are there are quite a few
[19:36] properties most along this stretch um do
[19:39] use that rear amenity space um I I
[19:43] believe some even do encroach into the
[19:45] road allowance um so this this proposal
[19:48] wouldn't physically limit any use of
[19:51] that um space the considering the
[19:53] streetcape impacts uh would of course be
[19:56] a consideration but it would be um a
[19:58] broad exercise along that stretch um
[20:02] second thing to note um which I'm sure
[20:04] you know is of course that it's um very
[20:06] well vegetated now so um that would
[20:09] obviously be weighing into that
[20:15] decision one of the comments you made
[20:17] was that the pool would be put in in the
[20:20] future is there
[20:21] a I'm wondering about what future means
[20:26] and uh is this minor variance for the
[20:29] shed or is it for a pool
[20:36] sometime right um through you the the
[20:39] minor variance specifically is for the
[20:41] shed the applicant has stated that they
[20:44] don't have a specific plan to install
[20:47] the pool immediately um uh but given the
[20:51] constraint of that the toe of the slope
[20:55] um if the shed were situated to meet
[20:57] those setbacks
[20:59] they would be limited in any possibility
[21:01] to install that pool um so to the letter
[21:05] the shed the minor variance is for the
[21:08] shed structure it creates the ability
[21:11] for the applicant to build the pool in
[21:13] the
[21:16] future further
[21:19] questions is the applicant or agent
[21:22] present this evening would they like to
[21:24] make comment apparently not here okay uh
[21:28] anyone here from the public to speak in
[21:30] support of this
[21:33] application anyone here like to speak in
[21:36] opposition to this
[21:39] application uh any other written
[21:41] submissions we need to hear
[21:43] about no okay all right do any committee
[21:47] members have any final questions before
[21:49] we close the hearing and discuss the
[21:51] application nope okay so I now declare
[21:54] the hearing
[21:55] closed so I need a moover in second or
[21:58] that the Committee of adjustment
[21:59] approved minor variance a 202 2431 for
[22:02] Alex Osman at the property located at
[22:04] 558 here in terce to permit a reduction
[22:06] in the rear yard setback from six meters
[22:09] to two meters moved by counselors
[22:11] hinchberger and Blackwell all in favor
[22:15] and that's
[22:16] carried uh and a move mover and seconder
[22:19] that we adjourn at uh
[22:22] 519 uh counselor Blackwell and steinhof
[22:26] gray all in favor that's carried we are
[22:28] now back in uh open Council
[22:34] session wow we get to have a public
[22:38] meeting uh next on the agenda is the
[22:41] public meeting for zoning Amendment file
[22:42] number Z 2024 z51 and the same uh
[22:47] guidelines uh under the planning act are
[22:49] in effect for this meeting as were for
[22:51] the two minor variance meetings so I
[22:54] declare the public meeting open and ask
[22:56] the planner to present the application
[23:03] okay thank you the proposal before you
[23:04] tonight is for the rezoning required to
[23:07] facilitate uh Surplus Farm dwelling
[23:10] Severance at 728
[23:12] Northline uh the severance which would
[23:15] be considered by the county at a later
[23:17] date is for roughly 66 hectare parcel
[23:22] containing an existing
[23:24] dwelling uh which would leave a roughly
[23:27] 81 hectare Farm parcel the required
[23:30] resoning is to prohibit residential uses
[23:34] on the retained Farm parcel and apply
[23:37] holding for the lands with high
[23:38] archaeological
[23:40] potential uh on both severed and
[23:42] retained
[23:43] Parcels The Proposal um is consistent
[23:47] with the agricultural policies for
[23:49] Surplus Farm dwelling severances in both
[23:52] the provincial policy statement and
[23:53] Bruce County official plan and as such
[23:56] we recommend approval
[24:00] thank you are there any technical
[24:02] questions for our planner this evening
[24:04] councelor Stuart please thank you and
[24:06] through you chair um good
[24:08] presentation why don't we do the
[24:10] severance at the same
[24:12] time you know because they're going to
[24:14] be back in no time to do a seance
[24:16] couldn't we do both of them together or
[24:18] is just not
[24:22] allowed uh through you chair um the the
[24:26] severance is approved at the by the
[24:30] county um and we have uh delegated staff
[24:35] approval to to do those severances if um
[24:38] there are no issues raised so this this
[24:41] doesn't go to County Council for a
[24:43] separate decision um we will while the
[24:46] appeal should should it be approved the
[24:48] sorry should the zoning be approved
[24:50] tonight by Council um while the appeal
[24:52] period is happening uh I'll prepare the
[24:54] report and send it um to Monica uh for
[24:58] her review and
[25:02] um the yeah the approval can happen um
[25:06] shortly after this so they they don't
[25:08] need to come back and submit an
[25:10] application that's yeah okay yeah
[25:13] councelor Stuart uh County counselors
[25:15] only get the applications that
[25:16] somebody's raised in ad joke into like
[25:19] they don't want to give us anything
[25:20] simple it's always the com complicated
[25:22] things to to deal
[25:25] with uh any further questions for the
[25:29] planner uh is the agent or applicant
[25:31] here would you like to speak to the
[25:34] application you all right okay thank
[25:39] you pardon
[25:42] me uh yeah the applicant is uh Blair
[25:47] Scott and and he is here present uh is
[25:51] there anyone here who would like to
[25:52] speak in support of this
[25:55] application anyone here who'd like to
[25:57] speak in on opposition to this uh
[26:03] application uh Council once again any
[26:05] further questions before we get to uh uh
[26:09] close the public meeting and discuss the
[26:11] application okay so and I declar the
[26:14] public meeting to be
[26:15] closed and we need a mover and seconder
[26:18] the council approves zoning bylaw
[26:20] Amendment application Zed 2024 051 for
[26:23] Bruce Lee Poultry Farm limited care
[26:25] Blair Scott at 728 North Line and the
[26:28] necessary bylaw be forwarded to council
[26:31] for adoption moved by councilors
[26:32] hinchberger and Clark Deputy Mayor Clark
[26:36] uh any further discussion all in favor
[26:40] and that's
[26:42] carried all right to move on to
[26:44] delegations and presentations I'd like
[26:46] to welcome uh Monica Walker Bolton land
[26:50] use planning manager and Jack Van Dorp
[26:53] director of Planning and Development who
[26:54] will provide an update on the new Bruce
[26:56] County official plan and I realize this
[26:59] is uh in delegations and presentations
[27:03] but we're we're going to be heavy on the
[27:05] presentation uh so that you're not
[27:07] limited to precisely five minutes for
[27:10] the for the presentation okay thank you
[27:13] so much for that uh we're going to need
[27:15] about 20 minutes if that's all right
[27:17] with
[27:18] Council thank you very much uh mayor
[27:21] Craig for the introduction and uh thank
[27:23] you to King Carden Council for having us
[27:26] it's my pleasure to present to you today
[27:27] the draft of the new Bruce County
[27:29] official plan this draft has been a long
[27:32] time coming and represents significant
[27:34] effort from planning staff from the
[27:36] beginning we have worked with the
[27:37] Consulting team at wsp and along the way
[27:40] we have worked with Consultants like
[27:41] Watson and Associates dbh soil services
[27:44] and nor South environmental Inc today we
[27:47] want to provide a highlevel overview of
[27:49] the plan and receive
[27:51] questions the official plan needs to be
[27:53] consistent with provincial policies and
[27:55] directions including the new provincial
[27:57] planning statement which was released at
[27:59] the end of August and will come into
[28:00] force on October
[28:02] 20th it also needs to reflect the Bruce
[28:05] County context and we will talk about
[28:07] the PPS a little bit later to understand
[28:09] the Bruce County context we compared the
[28:12] we completed the Bruce GPS project that
[28:15] occurred in 2018 through 2019 and it was
[28:19] an extensive public engagement that led
[28:21] to eight guiding principles that are
[28:23] found in the draft new official plan
[28:25] discussion papers were prepared for each
[28:27] of the guiding principles from 20199 to
[28:30] 2022 and those included potential policy
[28:35] directions some of these directions were
[28:37] already addressed through a number of
[28:38] amendments made to the existing plan and
[28:41] others were left to the new plan these
[28:44] potential policy directions were largely
[28:46] incorporated into the new official plan
[28:48] and in a few cases where they were not
[28:50] specifically addressed it was due to
[28:52] conf conflict with provincial direction
[28:54] or we felt it was better addressed
[28:55] through other planning tools like in
[28:57] local official plan or strategy
[28:58] documents and the slide that I have up
[29:01] up now um provides a summary of all of
[29:05] the um well a high level summary of what
[29:07] was included through the Bruce GPS and
[29:09] what was included in and what was not
[29:12] included but moving
[29:15] on um much of the work in preparing the
[29:18] plan was completed through various
[29:19] amendments to the existing County
[29:21] official plan including additional
[29:24] residential units
[29:25] policies agricultural policies
[29:28] a housekeeping Amendment the growth
[29:31] management and servicing policies which
[29:33] was another Standalone Amendment and the
[29:36] implementation policy
[29:38] Amendment other policies from the plan
[29:41] the existing plan continue to remain
[29:44] relevant and appropriate and are also
[29:46] included in this uh new draft official
[29:48] plan to make it easier to follow uh
[29:51] what's changed and to understand the
[29:54] difference between the current policies
[29:55] and the proposed new policies we have
[29:58] highlighted policies that are unchanged
[30:00] or only modified slightly from the
[30:02] currently approved plan policies by
[30:04] coloring them gray in the draft and
[30:06] marking them up as indicated on this
[30:08] slide white text in the background is a
[30:11] new or more substantially modified from
[30:13] the current
[30:15] plan in terms of structure the proposed
[30:18] plan consists of six parts which are
[30:20] outlined on this Slide the first five
[30:22] parts lay out the vision growth forecast
[30:25] countywide policies policies for
[30:27] designation
[30:28] and then implementation policies site
[30:31] specific policy amendments that need to
[30:33] be carried forward will be gathered
[30:34] together in part six uh which staff are
[30:36] still
[30:40] compiling as I promised earlier here
[30:42] here we'll introduce the new provincial
[30:44] planning
[30:46] statement the new provincial planning
[30:48] statement directs that for growth
[30:50] planning and specifically population
[30:52] projections we are to follow the
[30:53] Ministry of Finance
[30:55] forecasts this is already a standard
[30:57] practice and what was used in
[30:59] formulating the new draft Bruce County
[31:01] official plan the province approved the
[31:04] countywide growth
[31:06] forecast in um August the province
[31:10] regularly Issues new forecasts and we
[31:12] will monitor growth relative to these
[31:14] forecasts the plan Horizon to
[31:17] 2046 lines up with the duration of the
[31:20] current
[31:21] forecast one function of growth forecast
[31:23] is to plan for land budgeting as in is
[31:26] there enough land in the regional Markin
[31:28] market area to support growth over the
[31:30] plan Horizon focusing on a regional
[31:33] market area presented some challenges in
[31:35] Bruce County in terms of focusing on the
[31:38] whole County as the market area and then
[31:41] having to review changes relative to
[31:43] that countywide land Supply we provided
[31:46] comments to The Province on this when
[31:47] the PPS was under review now the new
[31:50] provincial planning statement has remove
[31:52] requirements for comprehensive reviews
[31:54] this solves that uh countywide issue but
[31:59] also opens up our communities to risks
[32:02] that proponents can apply to expand
[32:04] Municipal boundaries uh settlement area
[32:07] boundaries whenever they have land and
[32:10] if they appeal they can appeal a refusal
[32:13] to approve a municipal uh settlement
[32:16] area boundary expansion which could
[32:18] impact our ability to shape communities
[32:20] so to address this we have included
[32:23] proposed policies in the draft new Bruce
[32:25] County official plan that provide
[32:26] Direction and CR IIA for boundary
[32:28] expansions and this will help ensure
[32:30] that municipalities are able to direct
[32:32] where and how they will grow for the
[32:34] benefit of the whole
[32:38] Community through this plan we have been
[32:41] working to structure policies wherever
[32:42] possible to point to provincial
[32:44] Direction without duplicating the
[32:46] direction this is an effort to reduce
[32:48] the need to amend the plan if provincial
[32:50] Direction changes we could yet take an
[32:52] opportunity to point more directly to
[32:54] collaboration with school boards in the
[32:56] new plan as is highlighted in this slide
[32:58] the new draft plan also Maps natural
[33:01] heritage and Water Resource systems this
[33:03] system approach for the new Bruce County
[33:05] official plan reflect reflects direction
[33:08] that was established in the 2014 PPS and
[33:11] is carried forward in the 2020 and now
[33:13] the 2024 PPS and we'll talk a little bit
[33:16] more about the natural heritage and
[33:18] Water Resource systems uh in a
[33:20] moment we will now take you on a guided
[33:23] tour of the official plan and um staff
[33:27] have been gracious and enough to allow
[33:28] uh Jack to navigate some um some
[33:33] interpretation tools that we have
[33:34] available on the plan the Bruce website
[33:37] so the mapping that we have up here is
[33:40] um is an interactive tool that's
[33:42] available for the public to be able to
[33:44] compare the current schedules in the
[33:47] Bruce County official plan with the
[33:49] proposed draft so this first slide that
[33:51] we're looking at is for schedule a it
[33:53] has the same general content as the
[33:55] current schedule a agriculture areas are
[33:58] now defined by property boundary as
[34:01] opposed to previously following um a
[34:04] soils mapping and so what that resulted
[34:07] in is is in the past some Lots would
[34:09] have a mixture of some primeag and some
[34:11] Rural and that made it difficult to
[34:14] apply policies the agriculture Maps were
[34:17] prepared based on a land evaluation area
[34:20] review analysis that was completed by
[34:22] the province in that provincial review
[34:25] The First Cut had three components um uh
[34:28] recommended Prime agricultural land
[34:31] nonprime and potential Prime planning
[34:34] staff took that output from The Province
[34:37] and with wsp and dbh soil Services we
[34:41] reviewed and refined that output from
[34:43] the provincial year to create the two
[34:45] designations proposed in the draft new
[34:47] official plan Agricultural and Rural we
[34:50] then did a check-in with local Municipal
[34:52] staff and to derive the proposed
[34:55] schedules the plan text re recognizes
[34:58] the agriculture system as an important
[35:00] economic contributor to the County's
[35:03] Prosperity agricultural areas will be
[35:05] allow two additional residential units
[35:07] to align with a new provincial planning
[35:09] statement this is an increase up um from
[35:12] only one permitted in the current plan
[35:14] this means that the policies for
[35:15] agriculture and Rural lands will be the
[35:17] same when it comes to additional
[35:19] residential units we've updated open
[35:22] space lands to include land trust and
[35:24] NGO lands that are eligible for
[35:26] provincial conservation land tax
[35:29] incentives we've Incorporated the best
[35:31] available Hazard land information from
[35:33] conservation authorities and we've
[35:35] merged Shoreline Inland Lake and Travel
[35:38] Trailer Park and Campground into one new
[35:44] designation schedule B is a
[35:47] transportation map that shows all of the
[35:50] uh County highways local roads
[35:53] provincial highways it's the same
[35:55] general content as the current schedule
[35:57] be transport
[36:00] um I just received a note that we might
[36:02] have um the slides flipped that North
[36:06] might not be pointing
[36:08] up
[36:10] um Schedule C constraints is the next U
[36:13] map that I wanted to take us through
[36:15] natural heritage constraints um have
[36:18] been removed from this map and now
[36:20] appear on Schedule E other than that the
[36:23] same um General approach is taken to the
[36:25] constraints map it shows features that
[36:28] might constrain development such as
[36:30] known gravel deposits landfills and
[36:33] other uh features that development needs
[36:35] to stay away from Schedule D is the
[36:38] source water protection mapping the
[36:41] viewer that we have available shows the
[36:43] data that will be in the plan as a
[36:45] series of maps as they exist in the
[36:47] source protection plans this way they
[36:49] can be easily updated in the county
[36:51] official plan when there is a change to
[36:53] the source protection plan without
[36:55] having to go through a formal amendment
[36:57] to the county official plan Schedule E
[37:00] is the natural heritage system mapping
[37:03] the current viewer includes the areas of
[37:06] natural and scientific interests and
[37:08] provincially significant Wetlands that
[37:10] are currently within Schedule C of the
[37:12] plan and um the proposed mapping has uh
[37:17] quite extensive natural environment
[37:19] features the county has a tremendous
[37:22] natural Legacy that includes the hon
[37:24] Fringe which is an important migratory
[37:26] bird pathway along the Lake here on
[37:28] Shore and is home to the grck swamp the
[37:30] largest forested wetland in Southern
[37:32] Ontario the plan Builds on the legacy of
[37:35] conserving natural herit natural
[37:37] heritage features for current and future
[37:40] generations to appreciate that has been
[37:42] already established in the current Bruce
[37:44] County official plan we should note that
[37:47] the current County plan predates
[37:49] provincial Direction established in the
[37:51] 2014 PPS that requires an identification
[37:54] of the natural heritage system in
[37:57] including features and areas and
[38:00] linkages that are intended to provide
[38:02] connectivity and support National
[38:04] processes so although the way the
[38:06] natural features are now Illustrated in
[38:08] the new draft County official plan might
[38:10] feel new this is implementing provincial
[38:12] direction that has been a standard
[38:14] Ontario wide for over a decade the plan
[38:17] has also adopted distinct approaches for
[38:19] Northern Bruce County and Southern Bruce
[38:21] County for Northern Bruce County based
[38:23] on the relative abundance of natural
[38:25] heritage features the focus is
[38:27] identifying and protecting the largest
[38:30] areas of intact habitat which are known
[38:32] as core areas for southern Bruce County
[38:35] the core area approach is not used but
[38:37] instead focus on maintaining key
[38:39] features and the system of relatively
[38:41] smaller forests and then the linkages
[38:44] like river valleys that connect nature
[38:46] in an interconnected system on the
[38:49] landscape we have included an annotated
[38:51] legend in the PDF schedules that
[38:54] describes criteria for development
[38:56] within the natural hair Heritage system
[38:58] and adjacent lands and when you're using
[39:00] the viewer you can click on a feature
[39:02] and the development criteria will will
[39:04] pop
[39:05] up high level policy direction for the
[39:08] features is available in the interactive
[39:11] version within the policy we have sought
[39:13] to be generally aligned with the
[39:15] provincial planning statement there are
[39:17] areas where have we we have gone beyond
[39:19] the provincial planning statement for
[39:20] example extending Pro protection for
[39:23] more Wetlands than just those that are
[39:25] identified as provincially significant
[39:28] provincial Direction already requires
[39:30] that we protect and prohibit development
[39:32] within provincially significant Wetlands
[39:35] the county plan also includes larger
[39:37] unevaluated wetlands in this protection
[39:40] such that the policy would not permit
[39:41] development in the fature and
[39:43] development adjacent to this feature uh
[39:46] would have to demonstrate no negative
[39:48] impact in these features existing
[39:50] agricultural uses are allowed to
[39:53] continue another new direction that we
[39:55] know is of interest um we had a lot of
[39:57] questions at the open houses that we
[39:59] hosted last week is the approach the
[40:01] systems based approach to the natural
[40:05] environment system and how linkages are
[40:07] a part of this linkages illustrate the
[40:11] interconnected nature of the natural
[40:12] environment features on the landscape
[40:15] within linkages the policy would be that
[40:18] existing uses can continue and the
[40:20] linkage functions should be maintained
[40:22] so when you're reviewing the natural
[40:23] environment map and uh Jack is
[40:25] highlighting them now there are local
[40:27] level um linkages which are noted in in
[40:31] purple and then there's county level
[40:33] linkages that are noted in the broader
[40:35] yellow
[40:36] band a linkage that crosses a farm field
[40:39] between two Forest patches does not
[40:41] require the farmer to make any change to
[40:43] their farming practice if there were a
[40:46] major change like a gravel pit proposal
[40:48] for example then enhancement of the link
[40:51] linkage function could be required again
[40:55] there is no impact to existing uses the
[40:57] linkages identify how nature moves
[41:00] across the landscape and existing Farm
[41:02] Fields roads and even existing buildings
[41:04] are part of that existing
[41:07] condition not all of the natural
[41:09] heritage features could be mapped Valley
[41:11] lands are not mapped however development
[41:14] pressures are generally not seen in
[41:16] these areas due to Natural Hazard
[41:19] constraints significant wildlife habitat
[41:22] and habitats of threatened species and
[41:24] endangered species are subject to change
[41:27] as species are added or removed from the
[41:29] list and provincial or federal law
[41:31] applies to these endangered and
[41:33] threatened species habitats regardless
[41:35] of what we have in the Bruce County
[41:36] official plan these habitats can include
[41:39] things like vernal pools which are
[41:41] Springtime pool pools that are temporary
[41:43] where amphibians breed uh or another
[41:46] example would be Bank barns where Barnes
[41:48] swallows nest it would be impractical to
[41:51] attempt to map all of these um
[41:53] significant features in the county
[41:55] official plan we did aim to identify
[41:58] features and areas that include many
[42:01] many significant wildlife habitats such
[42:03] as the core areas that I mentioned
[42:05] earlier
[42:06] and habitats for that would be suitable
[42:09] for endangered and threatened species
[42:11] also occur
[42:12] here we have shown natural heritage
[42:15] systems conceptually within settlement
[42:18] areas where a local official plan adopts
[42:21] different mapping in their settlement
[42:23] area than the county official plan the
[42:25] intent would be to incorporate the local
[42:27] mapping into the county plan we have
[42:30] shown that there is continuity of
[42:32] natural features between the county and
[42:33] S Saga jibway nation chipa was of nawash
[42:37] unseated First Nations the national
[42:39] parks and the Bruce Power site however
[42:41] the plan does not assert any
[42:42] jurisdiction in these areas moving on to
[42:45] schedule F which is the Water Resource
[42:48] system the provincial planning statement
[42:50] requires that we identify a Water
[42:52] Resource system this includes surface
[42:55] water features and ground water
[42:58] features one area that is new is the
[43:01] mapping of significant groundwater
[43:02] recharge areas concard has some of these
[43:05] areas although the extent of these areas
[43:08] is not as great as several other
[43:09] municipalities in Bruce County some
[43:12] reviewers of our plan have questioned
[43:14] how these areas will be regulated the
[43:16] development criteria here is to maintain
[43:19] recharge function by avoiding or
[43:22] mitigating intensive development and
[43:24] large impervious areas so the criteria
[43:27] apply to intensive development and large
[43:29] impervious areas like a large shopping
[43:31] center of parking lot for example for
[43:34] development at this scale minimum
[43:35] landscaped open space requirements and
[43:37] good storm water management could be
[43:39] used to address this requirement the
[43:41] policies in the draft plan do not
[43:43] address manure spreading which is
[43:44] regulated under the nutrient management
[43:46] act we appreciate there may be some
[43:48] concerns about the level of detail at
[43:50] which these maps are produced relative
[43:52] to the scale and Water Resource needs of
[43:53] settlement areas and we will examine
[43:55] this in further detail as we go through
[43:57] the engagement process so now I've
[44:00] concluded uh the tour of the schedules
[44:03] to the official plan and I wanted to
[44:05] move on to um cover our requests for
[44:11] boundary adjustments we have received
[44:13] various boundary adjustment requests as
[44:15] part of this process some from
[44:17] municipalities some from land owners and
[44:20] some have been identified as
[44:21] possibilities by staff we have bundled
[44:24] these requests into a package that's
[44:25] attached to your agenda
[44:28] um we are not yet providing a
[44:30] recommendation yes no or indifferent on
[44:33] the proposed boundary expansions what
[44:36] we're doing right now is collecting
[44:38] input from the public and municipalities
[44:41] on what their wishes are for the pro for
[44:44] the recommend not recommended requested
[44:46] boundary expansions we anticipate that
[44:49] through the public engagement process
[44:51] that is going on right now we might
[44:53] receive some additional requests um
[44:56] during this this phase we will consult
[44:58] with the associated local municipalities
[45:00] that have requests in their areas review
[45:03] and assess the request based on a set of
[45:06] criteria that's outlined in the draft
[45:08] new official plan and at the conclusion
[45:10] of the public engagement process we will
[45:12] be in a position to make a
[45:13] recommendation on the requests that are
[45:15] noted here um and others that may emerge
[45:17] through the engagement
[45:20] process uh the next uh slide in our
[45:24] presentation is uh some highlights
[45:27] from the official plan text so the bulk
[45:31] of our review of the official plan was
[45:33] based on a tour of the mapping schedules
[45:36] and Maps do tell a really good story
[45:38] about what's proposed for the new
[45:40] official plan but some things from the
[45:42] text that maybe didn't come across in
[45:45] the um tour of the schedules Bruce
[45:49] County Council recently endorsed an
[45:51] indigenous reconciliation framework and
[45:53] sing and a schnek Reconciliation pathway
[45:56] and action plan Plan Building on this
[45:59] the draft plan centers Bruce County
[46:00] within the son traditional territory and
[46:03] builds on the work of the implementation
[46:05] amendment to update indigenous
[46:07] consultation policies to highlight areas
[46:09] of crit critical interest to sa
[46:12] including environmental impacts and
[46:14] especially Shoreline hardening as having
[46:16] potential to impact son interests in
[46:18] fish and water um water and fish
[46:22] habitat the draft plan has a strong
[46:24] housing focus and maintains minimum
[46:27] density requirements supports a range
[46:29] and mix of housing supports as of right
[46:32] additional dwelling units where possible
[46:34] and identifies affordability targets the
[46:37] plan also recognizes that the housing
[46:39] action plan and housing and homelessness
[46:41] plans provide higher levels of detail to
[46:44] support action to increase housing
[46:46] Supply the draft plan incorporates the
[46:49] growth management Amendment which has
[46:51] now been approved by the province and
[46:53] encourage appropriate encourages
[46:55] appropriate intensification to make good
[46:57] use of existing infrastructure in
[47:00] settlement
[47:01] areas the plan recognizes agriculture
[47:05] tourism and energy as strategic economic
[47:08] drivers and also supports the
[47:10] diversification of the economic base
[47:12] supports the master Transportation plan
[47:14] and envisions complete communities in a
[47:16] thriving region with easy access to
[47:19] housing jobs Recreation and
[47:23] services just going to make a few
[47:25] remarks about the relationship between
[47:26] the County plan and local plans the plan
[47:29] recognizes a role as an upper tier plan
[47:32] the county plan but it is also the plan
[47:36] for local municipalities because in
[47:38] seven out of eight of our local
[47:40] municipalities it functions as the plan
[47:43] in effect in the
[47:44] countryside um those plans uh only focus
[47:48] on the settlement area so there's a need
[47:49] to provide planning direction for the
[47:52] countryside the plan is trying to get
[47:54] out of the business of requiring
[47:56] frequent amendments right now the
[47:58] current County official plan has well
[48:00] over 300
[48:02] amendments for example uh one of the
[48:05] ways we're getting away from frequent
[48:06] amendments is a county official plan
[48:08] amendment is would no longer be required
[48:11] to create a quarry or Gravel Pit in a
[48:13] designated mineral resource area this
[48:16] would still require a zoning bylaw
[48:17] Amendment which is a local approval and
[48:19] of of course the mnrf license the county
[48:23] plan provides criteria where that the
[48:25] local Council can use in reviewing the
[48:27] zone change this approach is more
[48:30] streamlined than requiring both a county
[48:31] official plan Amendment and a local zone
[48:34] change right now we have a county plan
[48:36] and eight local plans County official
[48:39] plan local plans all include plenty of
[48:41] detailed in various areas what we're
[48:44] aiming to do as a planning service is
[48:46] streamline these documents to say things
[48:48] once and say them well given that the
[48:51] plan must provide detailed policies for
[48:53] areas where local plans do not apply our
[48:56] approach is to set up and give the
[48:59] opportunity for local official plans to
[49:01] have several options they could either
[49:03] refer to the policies of the county
[49:05] official plan rather than restate them
[49:08] or they could restate them and have a
[49:10] policy that permits an updating of that
[49:12] restated policy when the county plan has
[49:15] to change for some reason for example to
[49:17] line up with provincial direction or
[49:20] local plans can provide their own
[49:22] policies provided that they do not
[49:24] conflict with the county plan this
[49:27] approach represents an opportunity going
[49:29] forward for the collective bulk of our
[49:31] planning documents to be reduced to make
[49:34] work we do in planning more efficient
[49:36] and focus on providing local contexts
[49:38] where it makes
[49:42] sense I wanted to um take a few moments
[49:45] to talk about an issue that we've been
[49:47] uh working on drinking water protection
[49:50] relative to permitting development on
[49:53] private or um partial septic systems the
[49:58] policy changes we have proposed for the
[50:00] draft new official plan stem for our
[50:02] effort to manage tensions between
[50:03] development and groundwater protection
[50:06] that exists due to regulatory gaps
[50:08] between the planning function and the
[50:09] building code function in consultation
[50:12] with Chief Building officials countywide
[50:15] we have broadly identified some areas
[50:17] where the official plan could provide
[50:19] appropriate flexibility for promoting
[50:21] new development like additional
[50:23] residential units even when development
[50:25] is happening on private septic systems
[50:28] County staff have engaged with officials
[50:30] from The Province to understand the
[50:32] ministry's expectation around the
[50:34] interaction of these two policy areas
[50:37] specifically how the building code
[50:38] official plans and other legislation are
[50:41] intended to interact to protect
[50:43] groundwater and support Health at this
[50:45] time we're at a point where the ministry
[50:48] has acknowledged that they understand
[50:49] these issues and are committed to
[50:51] providing a
[50:53] response we are now at the engagement
[50:55] phase of our County official plan
[50:58] project and the slide up here just shows
[51:00] sort of um some of the immediate
[51:02] timelines that we're within
[51:05] um we have um just completed a week of
[51:09] four open houses online engagement
[51:11] opportunities continue on the plan the
[51:13] Bruce website hard copies of the draft
[51:16] new official plan and schedules are
[51:18] available in the reference section at
[51:19] local libraries and at our County
[51:21] Planning
[51:22] hubs we are looking for feedback to
[51:25] support a return to Council in early
[51:28] November on the boundary adjustments and
[51:31] engagement themes um that may result in
[51:34] in tweaks and changes to the plan before
[51:37] we get to council County council's
[51:39] direction to proceed to a statutory
[51:41] openhouse and public
[51:42] meeting um if there are significant
[51:46] changes required to um based on the
[51:49] feedback that we've been receiving then
[51:51] the timeline that I just had up will may
[51:53] need to change um this concludes my
[51:55] presentation
[51:57] and uh we are happy to receive questions
[51:59] from
[52:01] Council thank you Monica thank you Jack
[52:04] you were well spoken tonight as well
[52:06] good for you uh any questions from uh
[52:09] Council regarding the report uh
[52:11] councelor T off gr please thank you
[52:14] through you chair um I just have one
[52:16] question I was watching the maps where
[52:17] you're showing the differences between
[52:19] our current state and the draft and it
[52:22] seemed like we were trying to do a
[52:23] better job of defining those Heritage
[52:25] resources um like water significant
[52:28] areas where one of the things I've
[52:31] noticed since coming to council is a lot
[52:33] of times we'll approve things but many
[52:36] years go by and we haven't done anything
[52:37] with them so if any of those approvals
[52:40] that have gone through are contradictory
[52:42] to what we're doing now in the official
[52:43] plan would there be any retroactive
[52:46] activities to try to bridge up that
[52:50] zoning interesting thought so um through
[52:53] you Mr Mayor um I'm thinking that the
[52:56] that the premise of the question is is
[52:58] that there may have been an a county
[53:00] official plan Amendment and right now
[53:02] myself and staff are going through all
[53:04] the previous County official plan
[53:06] amendments and and determining whether
[53:08] they need to stay in the new draft
[53:09] because 300 or so amendments do
[53:12] definitely bulk up the plan and we want
[53:14] to keep it nice and streamlined um so
[53:17] one of the it's interesting that you
[53:19] note it that way because I've been kind
[53:21] of looking at it on the other side of
[53:22] the same coin is if there's a
[53:24] development if there was somebody that
[53:26] applied for a county official plan
[53:27] Amendment and went through that process
[53:30] to get an approval and the development
[53:32] that they had um hadn't gone forward I
[53:35] was taking more of a conservative
[53:37] approach in my recommendation that those
[53:40] changes might need to stay in the new
[53:42] official plan but I like your
[53:44] perspective um that they should also
[53:48] those um those few that are proposed to
[53:51] carry forward should also be looked at
[53:54] through a lens of do they do they
[53:56] continue to be consistent with the
[53:58] proposed policies of the new um draft
[54:01] official plan so I appreciate the
[54:04] question because it's making me think of
[54:05] a planning issue in a different way and
[54:08] um I would say that the good news is is
[54:11] that um so far we're only finding um a
[54:14] handful of of amendments that would fall
[54:17] into that category where the development
[54:18] didn't go forward and now that you've um
[54:22] given me that idea I think that it would
[54:24] be feasible to look at them through that
[54:27] lens and the approach that I would
[54:29] probably take to that would be to work
[54:31] with the senior planners for the um
[54:34] effected jurisdiction so Peninsula Hub
[54:36] planners or Lakeshore planners um and
[54:40] and ask them to work with me to evaluate
[54:43] that
[54:44] question thank you that's a great
[54:48] response Kavanagh please thank you very
[54:51] much and and through the chair thank you
[54:52] for your presentation uh I have a
[54:54] question about the population project
[54:56] you said that they were approved by the
[54:58] province U my question is um do these
[55:01] plans include consideration for the Mega
[55:02] projects that are possibly coming
[55:04] forward like Bruce C and King Carden or
[55:06] uh the dgr in in South
[55:09] Bruce thank you for the question uh so
[55:12] the forecast that was prepared I just
[55:14] did a lot more work on that so I was
[55:16] really eager to jump in um the forecasts
[55:18] that have been prepared do not include
[55:20] those projects uh for which no decision
[55:22] has been made uh so these forecasts are
[55:25] set up up assuming um a set based on a
[55:29] set of assumptions on what we know to be
[55:32] the condition in the event of the
[55:34] approval of one or both of those
[55:36] projects there would be a need to reopen
[55:39] or reexamine the growth forecasts for
[55:41] the area and and we understand that
[55:43] municipalities are working to try to
[55:46] understand how those impacts might um or
[55:49] how those projects might impact growth
[55:51] forecasts and and that there might be a
[55:53] presentation later on today's agenda in
[55:55] that respect
[55:59] thank you very much and and just as a
[56:01] followup is that an intensive process to
[56:03] get that population projection
[56:04] reexamined or is it a fairly
[56:06] straightforward process that would
[56:08] happen hand inand with one or both of
[56:10] the projects going
[56:12] ahead Our Hope would be that there would
[56:14] be a high level of coordination around
[56:17] the um forecasting uh associated with
[56:21] the growth um that could occur in in the
[56:23] context of those projects thank you very
[56:25] much councelor Stewart please thank you
[56:28] through you chair this might take a
[56:29] little while um I'm actually a counselor
[56:32] in W to and that has a huge impact on
[56:36] the maps and and what you're doing here
[56:37] is fabulous I mean it really is I mean
[56:40] it's taken a long time but I think
[56:41] you're getting there um just a couple of
[56:44] concerns I'm not going to take a lot of
[56:45] time I know that Jack and I have a
[56:47] separate meeting and everything a couple
[56:49] of weeks away but uh I just want to
[56:51] mention a couple of things um I I'm very
[56:54] busy this week and with turkey and
[56:56] people coming to visit me because uh as
[56:59] you might not be aware War II has a lot
[57:01] of seasonal
[57:02] residentials and sometimes they feel
[57:04] that we do planning without them but uh
[57:07] they're more than welcome to come to my
[57:09] place and I've been getting a lot of
[57:10] phone calls as because that's just the
[57:12] way it's going to be so we'll try to
[57:15] make do and try to meet the schedule one
[57:17] thing that came to clear to me is the
[57:19] tiin T in we were hoping and we didn't
[57:23] quite see it in the plan and Jack you
[57:25] and I talked about it that Red Zone it's
[57:27] called the pine tree trailer park and we
[57:30] thought talking to the staff that that
[57:32] was a little more than just an owner's
[57:35] wish we thought it was maybe and and I
[57:37] don't need an answer now I'm just trying
[57:39] to say this is something because for the
[57:41] council this is a real great opportunity
[57:44] for us there could be 50 5050 to 60
[57:49] affordable home sites so we're lot eager
[57:53] to have this built into the Turon plant
[57:55] they put the water and sewer the
[57:57] infrastructure there it looks like part
[57:59] of tiin so I'm hoping that we can work
[58:01] it out and it becomes part of the
[58:03] settlement of Tiber the other thing I
[58:05] just wanted to talk about uh is the lake
[58:09] shore uh we weren't aware in our plan in
[58:12] 22 that the uh it was actually secondary
[58:16] urban community all along the lake shore
[58:20] um I find it you know and people are
[58:22] having some sort of problem because as a
[58:24] secondary Urban sort of community you
[58:28] expect all the infrastructure to be
[58:29] there it's very limited the in the
[58:33] infrastructure is very limited along
[58:35] there and even the two projects that are
[58:37] being proposed are are are having
[58:39] problems it's it's not so much Community
[58:42] it's we got to work better with the
[58:44] community and the developers and really
[58:46] understand that whole area and how to
[58:47] develop it and it's going to take some
[58:50] time for community and developers and
[58:52] the planners to all come together on it
[58:54] so that's going to be a a little bit
[58:56] longer but you can see from your maps in
[58:58] your interactive maps I hope they're
[59:00] available pretty soon for us whether we
[59:02] need the computer because they're
[59:04] excellent but we see a lot of the
[59:06] natural heritage in that area we see a
[59:08] lot of yellow which is basically the
[59:10] water generation it it's it's a
[59:12] challenge when you start to develop
[59:14] along that strip so uh we will be
[59:17] contining talking to you through the
[59:18] community and through our course counsel
[59:20] but thank you very much great
[59:24] presentation Deputy Mayor please
[59:27] thank you Mar through you thank you for
[59:29] your
[59:30] presentation I know one of the um issues
[59:34] underlining was consultations and you've
[59:38] identified that you're having open
[59:39] houses in October November um I'm
[59:43] pleased to see that you're you've listed
[59:45] sort of the the various groups that
[59:47] you're also engaging consultations with
[59:49] I think from a a legal perspective one
[59:51] of the biggest challenges is is lack of
[59:52] consultation how's the engagement been
[59:54] so far with regards to this
[59:56] this thank you for the question uh
[59:58] through you mayor Craig um we actually
[1:00:01] were very pleased with the turnout that
[1:00:02] we had at our open houses um typically
[1:00:06] it's hard to get people interested in
[1:00:09] official plan policy um in my experience
[1:00:12] in my planning career you get folks out
[1:00:14] for zoning bylaw uh uh comprehensive
[1:00:18] reviews more so than you do for official
[1:00:20] plans uh but we have been um pretty um
[1:00:24] pretty proactive in promoting things on
[1:00:27] social media um also through our all our
[1:00:30] County platforms uh the plan the Bruce
[1:00:33] website has been um a a tool for public
[1:00:37] engagement since the beginning uh years
[1:00:39] of the project like the 2018 2019 time
[1:00:43] period um and that's a resource that
[1:00:45] some of the followers of our project
[1:00:48] have um known that they can go back to
[1:00:50] back to that to receive updates um but
[1:00:53] in terms of like kind of organic um you
[1:00:56] know citizen engagement at the open
[1:00:59] houses I was personally very pleased
[1:01:01] with the types of conversations that we
[1:01:02] were able to have an example would be um
[1:01:05] we partnered with the Bruce County
[1:01:06] Federation of Agriculture to have an
[1:01:09] open house before their AGM in Tera and
[1:01:11] there were a number of uh Farmers that I
[1:01:14] was able to speak to there and uh I had
[1:01:17] a conversation with a couple and through
[1:01:20] our discussions they learned that the
[1:01:23] proposed designation on their property
[1:01:24] would change from rural to Prime
[1:01:26] Agricultural and so I talked to them
[1:01:28] about how if they like were concerned
[1:01:30] about that they could put comments in so
[1:01:32] I think we are um having the
[1:01:34] effectiveness um in in those types of
[1:01:38] conversations of bringing the awareness
[1:01:40] that we're looking for uh through public
[1:01:45] engagement at the end of the day does
[1:01:48] the updated official plan make our
[1:01:51] planning uh and you know hopes for
[1:01:55] future devel velopment more efficient
[1:01:57] less efficient more challenging because
[1:02:00] there's a lot more
[1:02:02] detail uh how what is what happens to
[1:02:05] planning staff at the county level are
[1:02:08] they bogg down or they have a big knp
[1:02:12] sock taking off their back which which
[1:02:14] way does you do you see this
[1:02:16] going so our Our Hope would be that uh
[1:02:19] and our our the way that we've
[1:02:20] structured this plan is that when
[1:02:22] complete it will uh reduce the
[1:02:26] application load particularly of joint
[1:02:28] applications where we have a project and
[1:02:29] we have to have a public meeting here
[1:02:31] and a public meeting there uh and then
[1:02:33] another thing to get it all approved and
[1:02:36] trying to get those down to one
[1:02:38] application um and there's a number of
[1:02:40] areas where we've been we have been
[1:02:42] working and you see that through all the
[1:02:44] gray text in the plan already where
[1:02:48] we've been cleaning up um policies that
[1:02:51] were duplicative or um caused routine
[1:02:55] routinely triggered applications that
[1:02:57] were not there was no real planning
[1:03:00] issue per se and so through that we've
[1:03:03] actually reduced the number of
[1:03:04] applications to amend the county plan as
[1:03:07] it exists uh drastically and so we look
[1:03:10] forward to concluding this project and
[1:03:13] then starting to work with local
[1:03:14] municipalities
[1:03:16] on the version of that that we can do
[1:03:19] with with you uh to also make your plans
[1:03:22] as efficient as possible while making
[1:03:25] sure that they're good plans and so we
[1:03:27] put all the energy into writing good
[1:03:28] policy as opposed to more
[1:03:32] policy very good Jake Monica Jack thanks
[1:03:36] so much for coming tonight talking all
[1:03:38] things planning we we do appreciate it
[1:03:40] it is uh way more exciting than uh than
[1:03:44] what you give a credit for maybe so
[1:03:46] thank
[1:03:47] you all right uh moving on and and to
[1:03:52] the bean family thank you so much for
[1:03:53] being here like you're welcome to stay
[1:03:55] if you want want but but but now here
[1:03:58] you can you can uh put your head down
[1:04:01] and sneak out the side door now
[1:04:04] nobody uh so I'd like to
[1:04:06] introduce uh Isabelle turot from the
[1:04:09] impact assessment agency of
[1:04:11] Canada and Doug Wy from the Canadian
[1:04:15] nuclear safety commission who are here
[1:04:17] this evening to uh make a presentation
[1:04:21] regarding uh the uh proposed uh Bruce c
[1:04:25] pro project so uh just to that to that
[1:04:29] end I'd like to moover and second that
[1:04:31] we received the presentation regarding
[1:04:33] the Canadian nuclear safety commission
[1:04:35] and the impact assessment agency of
[1:04:37] Canada for information with respect to
[1:04:39] the Bruce C project move by counselors
[1:04:42] Kavanaugh and
[1:04:44] hinchberger uh Isabelle Doug
[1:04:47] welcome thank you um so my name is
[1:04:50] Isabel suat I'm here on behalf of the
[1:04:53] impact assessment agency of Canada I am
[1:04:55] a M manager pardon me with the review
[1:04:57] panel's division I'm here with my
[1:04:59] colleague Doug Wy from the
[1:05:02] CNC there my name is Doug Wy I'm an
[1:05:04] environmental review just just a minute
[1:05:06] before you go any further I'd like to
[1:05:08] invite you up to sit at the the table
[1:05:10] here where our planning staff made their
[1:05:12] presentation the microphones are better
[1:05:15] and uh it's just a long time to stand
[1:05:18] there
[1:05:21] so welcome to the inner Sanctum
[1:05:33] perfect we appreciate that thanks mayor
[1:05:35] thanks Council all right so we're here
[1:05:37] to talk to you today about the
[1:05:39] integrated sorry did you finish
[1:05:40] introducing yourself earlier go
[1:05:43] ahead I was saying Doug Doug Wy I'm an
[1:05:46] environmental review officer with the
[1:05:48] Canadian nuclear safety Commission in
[1:05:49] the environmental review
[1:05:53] division which one it is already there
[1:05:55] we go they do have a a great team of uh
[1:05:57] staff here with them as well so you
[1:05:59] don't go sneaking out anybody so uh so
[1:06:02] it's even though Doug and Isabelle are
[1:06:04] presenting they come uh well supported
[1:06:07] absolutely and we can turn to our
[1:06:08] colleagues if there's any specific
[1:06:10] questions uh through you um so we're
[1:06:13] here today to talk about who we are what
[1:06:15] we do we're also here to focus on uh
[1:06:19] participation and consultation
[1:06:21] opportunities as we have been informed
[1:06:23] that that was the interest of the
[1:06:24] council and also about the next steps
[1:06:26] for this process so we each have a part
[1:06:28] of the the presentation we'll try to
[1:06:30] keep it simple and happy to go in detail
[1:06:32] if there are any
[1:06:34] questions the impact assessment agency
[1:06:36] of Canada is mandated to conduct Federal
[1:06:39] impact assessments impact assessments at
[1:06:41] the federal Level under the impact
[1:06:43] Assessment Act aimed to enhance positive
[1:06:45] impacts of projects and to mitigate
[1:06:48] adverse effects we could also coordinate
[1:06:51] the consultation with indigenous peoples
[1:06:53] for the whole of the federal government
[1:06:54] in these process
[1:06:56] cesses when it comes to designated Pro
[1:06:59] sorry when it comes to designated
[1:07:00] nuclear projects under our legislation
[1:07:03] those have to be conducted as an
[1:07:06] integrated assessment with the initial
[1:07:08] license from the Canadian nuclear safety
[1:07:10] commission so essentially should the
[1:07:13] projects be approved the first licenses
[1:07:15] that the proponents apply for would then
[1:07:18] be um decided upon and issued to a
[1:07:21] proponent so I will go in more detail
[1:07:24] about what those integrated assess Ms
[1:07:25] are about we are dividing our process in
[1:07:29] five phases there's also the
[1:07:31] pre-planning phase which is a little bit
[1:07:33] of this indivisible phase at the
[1:07:35] beginning where we get to know the
[1:07:37] community we help proponents uh when it
[1:07:40] comes to questions that they would have
[1:07:42] about the process we also build
[1:07:44] relationships with indigenous Nations
[1:07:46] and communities and then um prepare for
[1:07:49] the initial project description to come
[1:07:51] in in this case of the Bruce Power
[1:07:55] Brucey proposal uh was submitted to the
[1:07:58] impact assessment agency in reviewed and
[1:08:01] started the planning phase on August uh
[1:08:04] 12th
[1:08:06] 2024 so we are currently here and I'm
[1:08:08] going to go in detail in each steps of
[1:08:10] that phase and then I'll start to talk
[1:08:12] about the next
[1:08:13] ones so as I was saying we are currently
[1:08:16] in the planning phase just at the
[1:08:18] beginning so the agency received the
[1:08:21] initial project description and has
[1:08:23] accepted it posted it on its website we
[1:08:26] immediately started a comment period is
[1:08:28] usually about 30 days it is currently
[1:08:31] suspended for additional engagement
[1:08:33] opportunities we are uh in this comment
[1:08:36] period currently until October 28th
[1:08:39] after the comment period is done what
[1:08:41] the agency will do in collaboration with
[1:08:43] the cnsc is to issue the summary of the
[1:08:46] issues that we heard during that comment
[1:08:48] period to the proponent that summary of
[1:08:51] issues requires a response from the
[1:08:53] proponent and based on that response the
[1:08:56] agency will determine whether or not an
[1:08:58] impact assessment is required that
[1:09:00] usually happens within the first 80 Days
[1:09:02] of the comment period upon decision that
[1:09:05] an impact assessment is required if that
[1:09:07] is the case the agency in collaboration
[1:09:10] with the cnsc for an integrated
[1:09:12] assessment then moves on to drafting
[1:09:15] impact statement guidelines as well as
[1:09:17] four plans that are required in our
[1:09:19] legislation the impact assess sorry the
[1:09:22] impact statement guidelines really
[1:09:24] contain all of the requirements both for
[1:09:27] the impact Assessment Act and under the
[1:09:29] nuclear safety and Control Act for uh
[1:09:32] the information and studies that the
[1:09:33] proponent is required to submit so that
[1:09:36] will form what we call the impact
[1:09:38] statement the four plans that are also
[1:09:41] required as showed at the slide include
[1:09:44] a public participation plan which
[1:09:46] contains all of the uh participants
[1:09:49] ident that we've identified all of the
[1:09:51] public participation opportunities that
[1:09:53] are provided and also timeline and a
[1:09:56] timing for those opportunities so that
[1:09:58] participants can effectively uh
[1:10:01] contribute to um the assessment and be
[1:10:04] heard there is a comment period right
[1:10:06] after those drafts are done for uh
[1:10:09] comments on the guidelines and mostly on
[1:10:12] the public participation plan so we'll
[1:10:15] go and seek comments on maybe where we
[1:10:17] should go at what time of the day do
[1:10:19] people want to uh be consulted in what
[1:10:22] ways would be more effective to reach
[1:10:24] people like in information at libraries
[1:10:27] or any other means snail mail even is
[1:10:29] something we
[1:10:30] do um so the other plans that we do are
[1:10:34] the in indigenous engagement and
[1:10:36] partnership plan we also have to draft a
[1:10:38] cooperation plan which outlines how we
[1:10:41] will work with another jurisdiction in
[1:10:43] this case the province of Ontario we
[1:10:45] also have to draft the permanent plan to
[1:10:47] make sure that it is transparent to all
[1:10:50] what the proponents uh permits could be
[1:10:53] and uh there is an option there to
[1:10:55] provide that information as part of the
[1:10:57] impact assessment process once the plans
[1:11:01] are finalized as well as the guidelines
[1:11:03] after the comment period the notice of
[1:11:06] commencement is issued and we move into
[1:11:08] the impact statement phase so I'll talk
[1:11:11] about public participation for a moment
[1:11:13] it's very uh important in our process
[1:11:15] that we provide public participation
[1:11:17] opportunities it is a Cornerstone of a
[1:11:20] fair and transparent process so our goal
[1:11:24] is that members of the public who wish
[1:11:25] to participate have the opportunity to
[1:11:27] do so that they're provided the
[1:11:29] information and the support to enable
[1:11:31] them to participate in an informed way
[1:11:34] so that their input is considered as
[1:11:35] part of the
[1:11:37] process opportunities include commenting
[1:11:39] via the Canadian impact assessment
[1:11:41] registry we also come and do events like
[1:11:45] this where we could talk to information
[1:11:47] session open houses or other meetings by
[1:11:49] organizations with an interest we have
[1:11:52] video conferences online information
[1:11:54] information sessions the cnsc often
[1:11:57] hosts webinars as well and um at the in
[1:12:01] the process the assessment phase pardon
[1:12:03] me one of the key opportunities for
[1:12:05] participation is a public hearing so
[1:12:07] I'll talk a bit more about that later
[1:12:10] the registry is also where people can
[1:12:12] find all of the information it does
[1:12:14] consist bless you it does consist of uh
[1:12:18] the record of the assessment so um I
[1:12:22] didn't necessarily explain that in in
[1:12:23] detail yet but these assessments are
[1:12:25] referred to an independent revieww panel
[1:12:28] a panel uh is a uh quasi judicial
[1:12:32] administrative tribunal they look at a
[1:12:34] record for their assessment so the
[1:12:36] registry essentially consists of the
[1:12:38] record for the assessment so in that
[1:12:41] record you can find comments from
[1:12:43] participants you can look at information
[1:12:45] about the project you can look at active
[1:12:47] notices
[1:12:50] Etc we also have a participant funding
[1:12:52] program which helps uh funding
[1:12:55] recipients prepare and participate in
[1:12:57] key stages of the assessment it can
[1:12:59] cover several different kinds of fees
[1:13:01] all of that information is available via
[1:13:03] our website what uh the types of people
[1:13:06] that are eligible for these processes
[1:13:10] include individuals Incorporated
[1:13:12] non-for-profit organizations and
[1:13:14] Indigenous groups uh the slide here
[1:13:16] contains information on how to apply and
[1:13:18] certain examples of eligibility
[1:13:20] requirements which are uh as general as
[1:13:23] having knowledge relevant to the assess
[1:13:25] assessment having expertise on the
[1:13:27] Project's potential impacts and having
[1:13:29] it just an interest in um the potential
[1:13:31] impacts of the
[1:13:34] project so I already spoke a lot in
[1:13:36] detail about the planning phase so the
[1:13:38] planning phase really is what it stands
[1:13:40] for planning uh the outcome of the
[1:13:42] planning phase are those guidelines that
[1:13:45] I mentioned that is a very substantial
[1:13:47] detailed document there is currently a
[1:13:50] generic uh example on our website when I
[1:13:52] mean generic I mean applicable to all
[1:13:54] sectors not not not just nuclear given
[1:13:57] that we look at other uh sectors in
[1:14:00] Canada um and the four plans once that
[1:14:03] phase uh ends so as I was saying as you
[1:14:07] saw earlier it is a legislative timeline
[1:14:09] of 180 days we then move to the study
[1:14:13] phase so that's the impact statement
[1:14:15] phase that is the time that the
[1:14:17] proponent takes to provide all of the
[1:14:19] information and studies that are
[1:14:21] required in the guidelines it is also a
[1:14:24] phase where the agency with the cnsc
[1:14:26] will draft the terms of reference for
[1:14:29] the panel that will conduct the
[1:14:31] assessment once the agency and the CNC
[1:14:34] have determined that all of the
[1:14:35] information and Studies have been
[1:14:36] provided as part of the impact statement
[1:14:39] we then move to the next phase which is
[1:14:41] the third phase however before that
[1:14:43] happens the agency and the CNC will
[1:14:46] consider uh comments from indigenous
[1:14:49] groups the public and all experts on the
[1:14:52] impact statements so that phase also
[1:14:54] contains a major um public participation
[1:14:57] opportunity for a period and comments on
[1:14:59] the impact statement should the agency
[1:15:02] and the CNC find that there are
[1:15:03] deficiencies in the impact statement it
[1:15:06] can ask we can ask for further questions
[1:15:08] of the proponent or other experts to
[1:15:11] supplement the impact statement should
[1:15:13] that be the case additional comment
[1:15:14] periods could occur on additional
[1:15:18] information once the agency is satisfied
[1:15:21] that everything has been provided then
[1:15:23] the review panel has establish lished
[1:15:25] that review panel is integrated which
[1:15:28] means that it will look at both the
[1:15:30] requirements under the impact Assessment
[1:15:31] Act and the um nuclear safety and
[1:15:35] Control Act in the case of Bruce Power
[1:15:38] we anticipate that the license to
[1:15:40] prepare site is the only is the
[1:15:42] application that is integrated so the
[1:15:44] panel would look at that as well and
[1:15:46] recommend conditions to the government
[1:15:49] if that approval went
[1:15:51] forward the panel will hold also comment
[1:15:55] periods on their public participation
[1:15:58] sorry their public hearing procedures so
[1:16:00] you would hear from the panel how they
[1:16:02] intend to conduct their hearing when it
[1:16:04] should be how participants can register
[1:16:07] and that is something that there is uh
[1:16:09] an opportunity to comment on there is
[1:16:12] also the opportunity at that time to
[1:16:14] participate and contribute via
[1:16:15] participation in the hearings which mean
[1:16:18] preparing presentations or written
[1:16:20] submissions and including participating
[1:16:22] in
[1:16:23] person once the panel holds their
[1:16:26] hearings they then write their report
[1:16:29] once the report is written and submitted
[1:16:31] to the minister then the agency and the
[1:16:34] cnsc do a little phase B of number three
[1:16:38] on my slide which essentially allows
[1:16:41] them to make recommendations on the
[1:16:43] conditions that the panel has
[1:16:45] recommended once that happens then the
[1:16:49] decision goes up to the governor and
[1:16:51] Council which is a fancy way for saying
[1:16:53] the federal cabinet of minister
[1:16:55] so the federal cabinet of ministers
[1:16:57] makes the determination of whether or
[1:16:59] not the public uh sorry the project is
[1:17:01] in the public interest based on
[1:17:02] conditions our based on the factors in
[1:17:05] our legislation if yes then the decision
[1:17:09] statement is issued and the conditions
[1:17:11] for the project are also issued most of
[1:17:13] it which would go in the license by The
[1:17:16] cnsc Who is then the life cycle
[1:17:18] regulator and takes over the role for
[1:17:20] the federal government for the whole
[1:17:22] project and Doug will talk about more uh
[1:17:24] about that more after I'm through uh if
[1:17:27] no then the uh impact the state sorry
[1:17:30] the impact assessment decision is posted
[1:17:33] with the reasons for the
[1:17:35] decision phase five should a project be
[1:17:38] approved then the proponent can go into
[1:17:41] activities such as in this case license
[1:17:43] to prepare site um and though in terms
[1:17:46] of the cnsc that actually is does not
[1:17:49] lead directly to construction there are
[1:17:50] additional licenses that need to be
[1:17:52] applied
[1:17:53] for so to recap what I was um what I
[1:17:57] said earlier the key opportunities for
[1:17:59] participation that uh are upcoming well
[1:18:02] currently it is on the initial project
[1:18:04] description the next major comment
[1:18:06] period and opportunity to participate
[1:18:09] will focus on the tailored impact
[1:18:11] statement guidelines and the public
[1:18:13] participation plan in the impact
[1:18:15] statement phase uh there will be an
[1:18:17] opportunity to review the impact
[1:18:20] statement and uh the review panel uh
[1:18:22] terms of reference one the um impact uh
[1:18:27] statement is deemed to meet all of the
[1:18:29] requirements for information and studies
[1:18:32] relevant to the project the panel will
[1:18:34] then start its work and will review uh
[1:18:37] will uh seek sub missions from the
[1:18:39] public and hear presentations to the
[1:18:43] panel over important dates to remember
[1:18:46] the current comment public comment
[1:18:48] period ends on October 28th we
[1:18:50] anticipate so these are tentative dates
[1:18:52] that within our schedule the summary of
[1:18:55] issues of the proponent would be issued
[1:18:57] on November 7th We could decide that
[1:19:00] whether or not an impact assessment is
[1:19:01] required by December 13th we anticipate
[1:19:04] the comment period on the draft tailored
[1:19:06] impact statement guidelines and plans
[1:19:08] would occur in Winter
[1:19:10] 2025 and the end of the planning phase
[1:19:13] would be around spring of 2025 so again
[1:19:16] these are tentative dates we will uh
[1:19:18] there are external factors not always in
[1:19:21] our control but all in all the
[1:19:23] legislative timeline is in 80 Days that
[1:19:25] does not
[1:19:27] change over to you
[1:19:29] D thank you Isabelle just just if I may
[1:19:32] interject is it appropriate
[1:19:34] to uh ask if Council has questions of
[1:19:38] yourself uh miss turot or whether uh Mr
[1:19:42] wy's presentation rounds it out like
[1:19:45] it's there's you've uh given us a lot of
[1:19:48] information uh spurred on questions but
[1:19:51] I like I If you need both Hales to make
[1:19:54] this Pres presentation complete so I'm
[1:19:56] not sure if Doug will be answering
[1:19:58] questions that that you might have
[1:20:00] presented what is your preference here
[1:20:02] I'm going to I'm gonna offer you the
[1:20:03] opportunity to to do that which would
[1:20:06] you like uh I think I would like my
[1:20:08] colleague to continue just because he
[1:20:10] will give the full picture of what the
[1:20:12] cnc's expertise is especially the
[1:20:14] process after the decision is made
[1:20:16] should the project proceed okay Mr Wy
[1:20:19] please the question thank you through
[1:20:22] you mayor Craig so I am going to give a
[1:20:26] broad overview of the CNC and our role
[1:20:28] after the impact assessment has
[1:20:29] concluded so uh I will also add that I
[1:20:32] am remiss if I don't say it but I am
[1:20:34] joined here by colleagues uh Jeff
[1:20:36] Stevenson who is the site inspector at
[1:20:38] Bruce uh Power Nuclear Generating
[1:20:40] Station and Samuel jabby who is the
[1:20:42] licensing lead for the Bruce SE project
[1:20:44] alongside myself who is leading the
[1:20:46] coordination of our integration with the
[1:20:48] impact assessment agency of
[1:20:52] Canada so that that leaves one uh One
[1:20:56] support staff at the back uh can can you
[1:20:59] introduce her please Isabelle we don't
[1:21:01] want to leave anybody out here yes I'm
[1:21:03] joined here by my colleague Mar CLA who
[1:21:06] works with the review panel division as
[1:21:08] well so thanks
[1:21:11] much thank you threw you a c curveball
[1:21:15] there uh so this slide really is an
[1:21:18] introduction to the CN it it uh speaks
[1:21:21] to our three pillars of the cn's Mandate
[1:21:24] and all try to limit my use of acronyms
[1:21:26] apologies there but Canadian nuclear
[1:21:28] safety commission so it is based on the
[1:21:30] regulation of the nuclear industry to
[1:21:32] protect the people and the environment
[1:21:35] uh also to implement the peaceful use of
[1:21:37] nuclear energy in Canada and to
[1:21:40] disseminate objective scientific and
[1:21:41] regulatory
[1:21:44] information uh the cnc's commission is a
[1:21:47] quaja Judicial tribunal of experts and
[1:21:50] uh complemented by C staff who support
[1:21:54] the commission and conduct regulatory
[1:21:56] pardon me regulatory oversight
[1:22:03] activities as previously mentioned we
[1:22:06] are the life cycle regulator of the
[1:22:07] nuclear industry in Canada so that is
[1:22:09] the all the different areas of
[1:22:11] Regulation uh and essentially those
[1:22:14] commercial uses of nuclear energy also
[1:22:16] the industrial and medical uh
[1:22:18] applications and research as well
[1:22:25] the cn's robust regulatory framework is
[1:22:27] predicated on the uh enabling
[1:22:29] legislation which is the nuclear safety
[1:22:31] and Control Act
[1:22:34] um and as we move down this triangle it
[1:22:37] gets to more and more detail uh on our
[1:22:40] nuclear regulatory framework so the
[1:22:42] onuses on proponents and lenses to show
[1:22:44] us how they meet our requirements
[1:22:47] specifically for the Bruce C project uh
[1:22:50] we're working very closely with the
[1:22:51] impact assessment agency of Canada on to
[1:22:54] inter our requirements into their
[1:23:00] process uh so as mentioned also before
[1:23:04] the Bruce seat project speaking
[1:23:06] specifically is uh right now seeking the
[1:23:08] license to prepare site uh but we are a
[1:23:11] multiphase life cycle uh regulator so it
[1:23:15] begins with the site preparation and
[1:23:17] then moves into construction operation
[1:23:19] and decommissioning at which point each
[1:23:22] different life cycle phase is uh
[1:23:25] is is handled through a public
[1:23:30] hearing cnc's regulatory oversight is
[1:23:33] based on 14 safety and control areas uh
[1:23:37] these are technical topics where we have
[1:23:39] various subject matter experts um each
[1:23:42] subject matter expert will be
[1:23:44] responsible for assessing evaluating
[1:23:46] reviewing verifying and Reporting on
[1:23:48] regulatory requirements and performance
[1:23:51] of a proponent or leny
[1:23:57] so how is cnse uh oversight carried out
[1:24:00] well there are various different methods
[1:24:02] of inspections uh we review many reports
[1:24:06] uh
[1:24:07] also uh direct followup through those uh
[1:24:11] and we also conduct engagement and
[1:24:13] Outreach like
[1:24:16] today the next few slides speak in
[1:24:19] detail to some areas of interest uh I I
[1:24:22] I will admit I'm not an expert in these
[1:24:24] areas uh except for the last one which
[1:24:27] uh so I won't speak too in detail but
[1:24:29] I'd like to include these slides as
[1:24:31] informational purposes because they are
[1:24:33] full of great
[1:24:40] information
[1:24:43] um on this Slide the regulations speak
[1:24:46] speaking back to uh the regulatory
[1:24:49] framework uh certification of packaging
[1:24:51] for
[1:24:52] transport uh occurs through the
[1:24:54] packaging and transport of nuclear
[1:24:55] substances regulations uh but also
[1:24:58] adherence to the transportation of
[1:24:59] dangerous goods
[1:25:01] regulations um and the CNC has staff
[1:25:04] that oversee these
[1:25:10] programs so similarly I am not an expert
[1:25:12] in Emergency Management uh but again I
[1:25:15] like to include these slides for the
[1:25:17] informational
[1:25:18] purposes uh we do have experts in these
[1:25:22] in both of these various areas
[1:25:28] and essentially so this is closing off
[1:25:30] for the Emergency Management uh the
[1:25:32] basic principles are that there is an
[1:25:34] assessment done which is the planning
[1:25:36] basis
[1:25:38] uh the emergency response plan and
[1:25:40] procedures uh is then described there is
[1:25:43] practice practice and Readiness that is
[1:25:46] goes on into the emergency management
[1:25:48] and then uh those programs are
[1:25:50] reassessed and Effectiveness is
[1:25:52] re-evaluated
[1:25:57] as for the Environmental Protection
[1:25:59] framework uh so we this is mostly
[1:26:03] described through the reg regulatory
[1:26:05] documents of 2.9.1 and
[1:26:08] 2.9.2 I'll also add that all of cn's
[1:26:11] regulatory documents are available
[1:26:13] online for your your
[1:26:16] reading um in these documents they
[1:26:18] explain the requirements and guidance we
[1:26:20] have for proponents and lenes at Large
[1:26:26] for existing lenses we rely on an
[1:26:29] Adaptive phase management approach uh of
[1:26:31] an environmental risk assessment um and
[1:26:34] this shows that process so the
[1:26:36] environmental risk assessment uh is
[1:26:38] revised on a minimum of fiveyear cycle
[1:26:41] uh and is updated with new data uh which
[1:26:44] is collected by lenses uh and updated
[1:26:47] based on new science developments as
[1:26:50] well they touch on every aspect of the
[1:26:52] environment and uh so that also includes
[1:26:54] the human health risk assessment and the
[1:26:57] ecological risk
[1:27:00] assessment and that is it for me today
[1:27:03] thank
[1:27:04] you may I add just a key takeaway
[1:27:06] messages in the in the requirements that
[1:27:08] Doug was explaining on the lies slides
[1:27:10] those are the kinds of requirements that
[1:27:12] I was referring to earlier as being
[1:27:14] integrated within our tailored impact
[1:27:17] statement guidelines so thank
[1:27:20] you Council questions for uh m turkot or
[1:27:24] Mr
[1:27:26] Wy councelor Stewart please thank you
[1:27:29] and through you chair thank you very
[1:27:30] much for very informative um I actually
[1:27:34] live at imuran so we're the closest
[1:27:36] Community to Bruce Power um I just have
[1:27:41] other than looking at our comprehensive
[1:27:43] zoning bylaw over the next little while
[1:27:45] and our official plan I've been working
[1:27:47] on my my comments on the impact
[1:27:51] assessment my problem is is B I hope you
[1:27:53] can help help me I'm trying to get some
[1:27:56] funding but uh those things are a little
[1:27:58] more difficult to fill in than I thought
[1:28:00] is there anybody that can help me fill
[1:28:02] in for some uh participation funding
[1:28:05] programs because every time I look at it
[1:28:07] I almost go crazy so I I I know it's
[1:28:10] pretty self-explanatory but it's not if
[1:28:12] if you know if you if you're not dealing
[1:28:14] with it every day so is there somebody
[1:28:16] or Cole's notes sorry I'm showing my age
[1:28:19] but is there some sort of version I can
[1:28:21] actually because there's about three or
[1:28:22] four I would like to apply for thank
[1:28:26] you thank you through you mayor um uh
[1:28:29] yes definitely there is support uh the
[1:28:32] participant funding program has a
[1:28:33] generic inbox and we can put you in
[1:28:35] contact with folks there who uh are uh
[1:28:38] good support to help with um filling the
[1:28:41] applications the application for the
[1:28:43] current public comit period for the
[1:28:45] Brucey process uh closed I think it was
[1:28:48] on September 13th but there are several
[1:28:50] other ongoing and there will be more so
[1:28:53] you can either th email the Public
[1:28:55] Funding participant program or contact
[1:28:57] us and I can put you through the right
[1:29:00] people as well thank you very much
[1:29:04] is councelor Kavanaugh thank you very
[1:29:07] much and uh through the chair thank you
[1:29:08] for your presentation uh to take it a
[1:29:10] little more broadly uh councelor Stewart
[1:29:12] was referring to applying I believe as
[1:29:14] an individual representing um and and
[1:29:17] I'm more curious about how the
[1:29:18] municipality can participate um your
[1:29:21] slide mentioned meaningful participation
[1:29:23] but um we we actually have an agenda
[1:29:26] item later tonight about our budget
[1:29:27] presentation and uh looking at what it
[1:29:30] would cost or what the estimated cost
[1:29:32] what it could be for the municipality to
[1:29:33] sort of participate fully uh seems like
[1:29:36] a lot to sort of push onto our taxpayers
[1:29:38] especially in one year uh is there there
[1:29:41] processes or ways for the municipality
[1:29:43] to secure funding to meaningly
[1:29:47] participate thank you for the question
[1:29:49] through you chair uh currently our
[1:29:52] participant funding program does not
[1:29:53] include t tax based organizations so the
[1:29:55] criteria for eligibility eligibility
[1:29:59] unfortunately uh would uh rule out
[1:30:01] funding a municipality directly um I can
[1:30:04] speak from Fast past experience um
[1:30:07] Municipal citizens have themselves
[1:30:09] acquired funding through the participant
[1:30:11] funding program to um look into
[1:30:14] information that they were really
[1:30:15] interested about which was related to
[1:30:18] socioeconomic conditions health
[1:30:20] conditions environment Etc so that is
[1:30:22] one of the ways that the city cens can
[1:30:25] uh look into getting funding to support
[1:30:27] uh review of information or their own
[1:30:29] contributions that would also be of
[1:30:31] interest to the
[1:30:32] municipality um and other than that we
[1:30:34] don't really have visibility or don't
[1:30:36] necessarily intervene directly with
[1:30:38] proponents to provide funding but that
[1:30:40] is something that could be an Avenue um
[1:30:42] that we've also seen in the past and I
[1:30:45] don't know Doug if you have anything to
[1:30:47] add thank you through you mayor uh so
[1:30:50] the ceny in the past has encouraged
[1:30:51] municipalities because we likewise
[1:30:54] cannot fund municipalities through our
[1:30:55] person funding program however we we've
[1:30:58] encouraged municipalities to reach out
[1:30:59] to the Canadian Association for nuclear
[1:31:01] host communities who can access funding
[1:31:03] for the municipality and who can direct
[1:31:05] funds to you um and I I believe that's
[1:31:10] it maybe I'll uh direct that comment
[1:31:14] back to our CAO because I I believe we
[1:31:17] already have and could you comment on
[1:31:19] the response for that please sure
[1:31:22] through through you um yes so Kik did
[1:31:26] put forward an application um for
[1:31:29] funding through to
[1:31:30] cnsc um uh from what I know that was
[1:31:34] declined what was shared with me that
[1:31:35] was declined um it was referred over to
[1:31:38] iak um an application was submitted
[1:31:41] before the deadline um and to date we
[1:31:43] haven't heard
[1:31:48] yet yes Mr Wy
[1:31:52] please I may through your mayor
[1:31:54] uh I'll I will take that back to the C
[1:31:56] and our participant funding program to
[1:31:58] look into that
[1:32:00] further one one of the questions and I'm
[1:32:03] not precluding any other counselors that
[1:32:05] there's ones to follow up I uh
[1:32:08] appreciate the Cooperative uh function
[1:32:12] that iak and cnsc seems to uh work
[1:32:15] together you know there's there's one
[1:32:17] that's begins the process and one that
[1:32:19] continues on but I'm sure there's
[1:32:21] cooperation back and forth and and I'm
[1:32:23] wondering ing about
[1:32:26] the uh about the function of iak and
[1:32:30] cnsc whether in the the midst of the
[1:32:34] conversations uh whether it's the
[1:32:36] planning or evaluation or submission of
[1:32:38] reports or whatever are you a uh a
[1:32:41] mediator a uh an adjudicator
[1:32:46] a an enforcer what's what's what's your
[1:32:51] what's your level of authority here what
[1:32:54] what yeah I know that's the official
[1:32:56] title but I but I'm wondering if like
[1:32:58] when push comes to shove where where are
[1:33:00] you in the pecking order here yes in
[1:33:03] terms of our thank you for the question
[1:33:05] through you and and it's a very very
[1:33:07] good question um we are almost all of
[1:33:10] those things depending on what time of
[1:33:12] the process that we are at in terms of
[1:33:15] the impact assessment agency of Canada
[1:33:17] for nuclear projects obviously the life
[1:33:19] cycle regulator will always remain the
[1:33:21] Kenan nuclear safety commission but
[1:33:23] during in an integrated assessment
[1:33:25] process it is led by the impact
[1:33:27] assessment agency of Canada according to
[1:33:29] a memorandum of understanding that's
[1:33:31] actually on our website that's freely
[1:33:33] available uh for integrated assessments
[1:33:35] between our organizations so at the
[1:33:38] beginning steps of the process I would
[1:33:40] like to say that almost for the entire
[1:33:42] time we are a facilitator it would be
[1:33:44] the word that I would use so we do
[1:33:46] administer the entire process from start
[1:33:48] to finish in terms of our duties and our
[1:33:52] expertise we will then always use the
[1:33:54] information that is publicly available
[1:33:56] on the record in order for us to perform
[1:33:58] our work so it does include looking into
[1:34:01] the expertise from all of the federal
[1:34:02] authorities including the cnsc fisheries
[1:34:05] and oceans Canada Environment Canada if
[1:34:07] there is provincial expertise on the
[1:34:09] record uh also comments from the public
[1:34:12] and municipalities we use that
[1:34:14] information and maybe in that sense it's
[1:34:16] not necessarily a mediator but you could
[1:34:18] kind of go as far as saying that we take
[1:34:20] all of that information look at the
[1:34:22] concerns from uh indigenous groups and
[1:34:24] the public the public pardon me
[1:34:26] everything that's on the record and we
[1:34:28] summarized that and turned that into
[1:34:30] requirements to give the proponent so
[1:34:33] then we become a little bit an
[1:34:35] adjudicator in judging whether or not
[1:34:38] the information and studies that a
[1:34:40] proponent provides are satisfying the
[1:34:43] guidelines so there is a decision there
[1:34:45] when it comes to uh referring the impact
[1:34:48] assessment process the Mandate for the
[1:34:50] review panel that integrated review
[1:34:53] panel is independent they are uh
[1:34:55] unbiased they are not members of
[1:34:57] government they are free of conflict and
[1:34:59] of interests and they have to have
[1:35:01] specific specific expertise so in that
[1:35:04] sense there the agency and the CNC do
[1:35:07] become technical administrative
[1:35:09] logistical supports but that panel does
[1:35:12] function on their own indep
[1:35:13] independently the agency does have a
[1:35:15] duty to give them support in terms of
[1:35:17] Staff but all of that process is also
[1:35:20] cost recovered from proponents I think I
[1:35:22] forgot to mention that so that's that's
[1:35:25] yeah so everything in it
[1:35:28] depends everything in it depends uh
[1:35:31] counselor hinchberger please thank you
[1:35:33] through chair a lot of people won't go
[1:35:36] into the depth that you will go into but
[1:35:39] so people can get a idea of scope if we
[1:35:42] were talking like um a radius from the
[1:35:44] Bruce Power site in terms of assessing
[1:35:47] if you get to an impact assessment for a
[1:35:49] Bruce SE project what kind of scale are
[1:35:51] we talking about
[1:35:55] thank you through mayor um that is an
[1:35:57] excellent question it's not based
[1:35:59] necessarily on a radius when we're
[1:36:01] looking at the impacts of a project
[1:36:03] we're looking at the whole life cycle
[1:36:05] our legislation uh in terms of
[1:36:08] designated projects stipulate that it's
[1:36:10] for site preparation construction
[1:36:12] operation decommissioning and
[1:36:14] abandonment so in terms of the scope for
[1:36:17] the timeline of a project we're looking
[1:36:20] at all of it of course the level of
[1:36:22] detail would not be as advanc for some
[1:36:24] of the phases as others but we have to
[1:36:26] consider all of that into consideration
[1:36:29] in terms of the geographic scope it is
[1:36:32] in the guidelin stipulated that it is uh
[1:36:35] dependent on what we call valued
[1:36:37] components so when you're looking for
[1:36:39] example at the presentation that the
[1:36:40] county of Bruce gave earlier they talk
[1:36:42] about species at risk they look
[1:36:44] depending on the species what their
[1:36:45] habitats are and in terms of their
[1:36:48] habitat how does that link to water
[1:36:50] quality hydrogeology Etc so the
[1:36:52] proponent has to Define geographical
[1:36:54] extents including for health and socio
[1:36:57] economic conditions of what is going to
[1:36:59] be affected by the project so it is
[1:37:01] Project dependent and dependent on the
[1:37:03] valued component so we usually go as far
[1:37:06] as the region especially when it comes
[1:37:08] to cumulative effects so there's a long
[1:37:11] list of policies and and best practices
[1:37:14] in that area and we can work through
[1:37:16] specific examples if you wish so like
[1:37:19] using the fuel cycle as an example
[1:37:21] depending on the reactor type chose and
[1:37:23] whatever ever fuel it might use you'll
[1:37:25] May reach as far as where the that fuel
[1:37:29] is uh mined manufactured Etc as part of
[1:37:32] the whole uh thread all the way here
[1:37:37] correct thank you through you mayor so
[1:37:40] that also is a question of an analysis
[1:37:43] that needs to happen by the agency
[1:37:45] during the the planning phase that we're
[1:37:47] in when it comes to the tailored impact
[1:37:49] statement guidelines because they have
[1:37:51] to include all of the requirements for
[1:37:53] the project and the project effects we
[1:37:54] need to Define what the project is so
[1:37:57] does the project include activities that
[1:37:59] are incidental to it so there is a
[1:38:01] summary of that analysis that is
[1:38:03] typically posted when the guidelines are
[1:38:05] finalized and I'll take for example the
[1:38:08] topic of um I think it was the Delta
[1:38:12] Port fourth birth at West um there was
[1:38:15] consideration of marine shipping and
[1:38:18] transport like Rail and Road Transport
[1:38:20] and that was I believe included in the
[1:38:22] guidelines so Sim similarly when you're
[1:38:24] looking at transportation of fuel
[1:38:26] transportation of waste transportation
[1:38:28] of construction materials they all those
[1:38:31] are all questions we currently have and
[1:38:33] through the planning phase we'll get the
[1:38:35] information to figure out how they fit
[1:38:37] in the assessment if they're part of the
[1:38:39] project are the cumulative impacts
[1:38:41] related to the project or are the issues
[1:38:43] relevant to the
[1:38:45] assessment so all those concerns are
[1:38:47] important to put on the record Deputy
[1:38:49] Mayor please you had a question
[1:38:53] sorry thank you mayor through you um I
[1:38:56] had a couple of questions one was
[1:38:58] um from phase one or stage one to to
[1:39:02] stage three is stage one effectively
[1:39:04] when the proponent has provided all of
[1:39:05] the necessary information so sort of the
[1:39:08] notice of determination is that stage
[1:39:10] one sorry good question I wonder if I
[1:39:12] can reshow the slides is that possible
[1:39:33] I can start answering while the slides
[1:39:34] are showing up so the five phases I was
[1:39:36] talking about so when you're talking
[1:39:38] stage one to stage three that would be
[1:39:40] the planning phase number one impact
[1:39:42] statement phase number two impact
[1:39:44] assessment phase number three so the
[1:39:47] planning phase really requires in order
[1:39:50] to start that the proponent has
[1:39:52] satisfied our uh requirements on what
[1:39:55] needs to be in in thank
[1:39:58] you
[1:40:00] oh I'm I'm am I controlling it okay
[1:40:05] thank you uh yes so phase one requires
[1:40:09] in order to start uh the initial project
[1:40:11] description has to contain the
[1:40:13] information that's required so Bruce
[1:40:15] Power has done that the information
[1:40:17] requirements were completed so then it
[1:40:19] was posted and started the other
[1:40:22] requirements for the component in that
[1:40:24] phase is to respond to the issues that
[1:40:26] will be sent to them the next is really
[1:40:29] on the agency and the cnsc with all of
[1:40:32] the participants to fulfill the
[1:40:34] requirements of information that we need
[1:40:36] to build the guidelines and those
[1:40:37] guidelines need to reflect the concerns
[1:40:40] that are on the record and address all
[1:40:41] of the areas that an impact assessment
[1:40:44] has to look at now the phase phase
[1:40:47] number two really is in the proponent
[1:40:49] hand uh there is uh in our legislation
[1:40:51] up to three years for a proponent to
[1:40:54] provide all of the information and
[1:40:56] studies from the guidelines so that is
[1:40:59] uh what I believe uh might have been
[1:41:00] referred to as uh being satisfied that
[1:41:04] all of the information studies required
[1:41:06] by the guidelines have been uh have been
[1:41:09] provided so that does include like uh as
[1:41:12] I was saying earlier a period where
[1:41:15] there is a public participation
[1:41:17] opportunity and there is a review of how
[1:41:20] much information has been provided and
[1:41:22] does it um meet the requirements of the
[1:41:24] guidelines when it's then in phase three
[1:41:27] once that say yes there is we're
[1:41:30] satisfied the information has been
[1:41:32] provided once that has been done then
[1:41:35] the assessment uh actually is referred
[1:41:37] to the independent review panel who will
[1:41:39] then test whether they have enough
[1:41:42] information to do the impact assessment
[1:41:44] report so their mandate might include to
[1:41:47] actually get information from other
[1:41:49] parties it's not limited to just a
[1:41:51] proponent and they will ask ask
[1:41:53] questions and as an independent
[1:41:55] independent body can test whether or not
[1:41:58] the what is provided information is uh
[1:42:00] sufficient and adequate and make
[1:42:02] recommendations accordingly where they
[1:42:04] might see gaps and
[1:42:09] uncertainties now thanks for clarifying
[1:42:11] that my second question was perhaps
[1:42:13] going back to councelor Stewart's
[1:42:16] initial remark we're looking at the
[1:42:18] public engagement portion of it and I
[1:42:19] appreciate that there is the opportunity
[1:42:21] for the public to effectively uh right
[1:42:23] in in terms of responses
[1:42:27] um part of the legislation requires it
[1:42:29] to be obviously meaningful consultation
[1:42:32] and how are you finding the engagement
[1:42:34] process when it's perhaps uh it's maybe
[1:42:38] not as straightforward for a lot of
[1:42:41] individuals to to complete that um
[1:42:44] because it it would seem that it doesn't
[1:42:45] meet them it wouldn't necessarily meet
[1:42:48] the legislative requirement of
[1:42:50] meaningful if it's becoming more
[1:42:52] problematic
[1:42:53] um or difficult for them to properly
[1:42:58] engage thank you through you mayor that
[1:43:01] is a very good question we really do our
[1:43:03] best to identify what obstacles exist
[1:43:05] for Meaningful engagement we've been
[1:43:07] very proactively trying to understand
[1:43:10] that with the community and we've had
[1:43:11] support from your we have had support
[1:43:14] pardon me from the municipality of
[1:43:15] Karden as well as uh Bruce County to
[1:43:19] identify where to go when to go we have
[1:43:21] identified already that we should spend
[1:43:23] the next month of July and all of the
[1:43:25] events around the community um but there
[1:43:27] are still example uh sorry obstacles
[1:43:29] that exist and really looking forward to
[1:43:31] hearing uh what your comments might be
[1:43:33] on that topic what the obstacles are in
[1:43:35] terms of potentially like language
[1:43:37] barriers and access to information so
[1:43:39] that we can plan to address those as
[1:43:41] part of our public participation
[1:43:44] plan thank you just a quick fup what
[1:43:47] what I was really thinking about is that
[1:43:49] there's certainly going to be uh certain
[1:43:51] communities and accessibility where
[1:43:52] that's going to we um create barriers in
[1:43:55] of itself um and I appreciate that
[1:44:00] allowing the opportunity or the forum
[1:44:02] for the for the public to engage is one
[1:44:04] thing in terms of trying to to satisfy
[1:44:07] the legislation um but the way the
[1:44:09] legislation is worded it's very clear
[1:44:11] that it's to be meaningful and I I'm
[1:44:12] just I'm grateful for the indication
[1:44:14] that you're trying to to get feedback on
[1:44:16] that because I I have that concern that
[1:44:18] it may not be meaningful if if people
[1:44:20] are either put off with the process um
[1:44:23] and aren't diligent in trying to find
[1:44:25] the supports that are necessary to get
[1:44:27] that
[1:44:30] completed thank you may for you uh yes I
[1:44:33] welcome those comments if you have any
[1:44:34] specific examples we would really love
[1:44:36] to hear about what we can do in that
[1:44:38] regard
[1:44:41] yes so
[1:44:44] the
[1:44:46] um I'll throw in a question here the uh
[1:44:51] process will
[1:44:54] uh the impact assessment process is
[1:44:56] asking for individuals and and ourselves
[1:44:59] and I know lots of agencies have put in
[1:45:02] these are the impacts that will uh be
[1:45:05] evident because of the proposed uh
[1:45:09] project and I'm wondering when uh the
[1:45:13] impact assessment agency receives them
[1:45:16] uh they start doing their investigation
[1:45:19] is it a process where uh you know
[1:45:23] a person might say it's going to impact
[1:45:25] my flower
[1:45:26] bed and and you say well okay we need to
[1:45:30] do some research to find that out do you
[1:45:33] do you I I know cnsc has a great team of
[1:45:36] uh scientists and researchers and all
[1:45:38] that to to do that that background work
[1:45:41] but the impact assessment agency does it
[1:45:44] have the uh the wherewithal to do the
[1:45:48] research to assess
[1:45:51] those perceived impact
[1:45:53] or do you receive a report and because
[1:45:56] we received it we believe it or or is
[1:45:59] the municipality like when we when we
[1:46:02] get um when we get requests for
[1:46:06] information uh is it incumbent upon us
[1:46:09] to have our staff do all the research
[1:46:11] and verify what was submitted or is that
[1:46:14] your job or or how where how does that
[1:46:17] process work please thank you through
[1:46:20] you um the that's it's a great question
[1:46:23] just let me just formulate my thoughts
[1:46:25] for a moment so the information that we
[1:46:27] receive on the record is not information
[1:46:30] that typically we generate so the impact
[1:46:32] assessment agency of Canada has multiple
[1:46:34] policies and uh technical guidelines on
[1:46:37] how to properly conduct impact
[1:46:39] assessments and we uh mainly rely on
[1:46:42] technical expertise from federal experts
[1:46:44] provincial experts and the rest of the
[1:46:46] information that is on the record
[1:46:48] including what is provided by the
[1:46:49] proponent and other participants as well
[1:46:51] as especially the CN in this case when
[1:46:54] it comes to a concern that's been
[1:46:56] provided by someone one of the first
[1:46:59] questions on the registry is one is it
[1:47:01] relevant to the project if it's not
[1:47:03] relevant to the project obviously the
[1:47:04] agency with the cnsc and when it's the
[1:47:06] panel would weigh that information
[1:47:08] accordingly if it is relevant to the
[1:47:10] project but there is a doubt or there is
[1:47:13] something on the record that indicates
[1:47:14] that the information might not be
[1:47:16] adequate and uh accurate then there is
[1:47:19] the possibility for the agency and the
[1:47:21] CNC to raise that concern and request
[1:47:24] the proponent to provide a response once
[1:47:27] the independent um integrated review
[1:47:30] panel is appointed they can then if
[1:47:32] they're not satisfied with the evidence
[1:47:33] on the record if there is a big
[1:47:35] discrepancy between what one party says
[1:47:38] versus another they can request external
[1:47:41] technical review if they don't feel like
[1:47:43] they have a reliable third party so
[1:47:46] that's that's kind of um an example of
[1:47:48] how it would
[1:47:49] work councelor hinchberger please thank
[1:47:52] you youer having worked for some time
[1:47:55] for the proponent that might not be
[1:47:57] obvious to a lot of people how the
[1:48:00] regulatory environment is very much such
[1:48:03] that the proponent has the obligation
[1:48:06] and the initiative to show the regulator
[1:48:09] the regulator doesn't generally do the
[1:48:11] work for the proponent the the the
[1:48:13] regulator specifies what's required and
[1:48:16] it's up to the proponent to do much of
[1:48:19] the analysis whether they can do it
[1:48:21] inhouse contracted out or whatever there
[1:48:23] I think that it was described earlier
[1:48:25] that the AA role is largely one of
[1:48:28] facilitator to make sure that the
[1:48:30] process has followed and from the
[1:48:32] nitty-gritty related to the technical
[1:48:33] parts that's where the Canadian nuclear
[1:48:35] safety commission would have the
[1:48:37] expertise to know what the proponent
[1:48:40] must provide to them in order to be
[1:48:43] reviewed there's a it's we we get a
[1:48:45] little mistake here because we're in a
[1:48:47] discussion here with iak and the cnsc
[1:48:50] when we're missing a stakeholder that's
[1:48:52] Central to the whole thing including the
[1:48:54] Lion Share of the work to be done which
[1:48:56] is the
[1:49:00] proponent there is there opportunity to
[1:49:03] comment or no no no that
[1:49:06] was uh councelor Stewart please thank
[1:49:09] you just to finish because a few people
[1:49:11] mentioned uh through you chair uh my
[1:49:14] name and everything else uh it's
[1:49:16] interesting because the
[1:49:19] municipality's issues are my issues too
[1:49:21] as an individual so it'll be interesting
[1:49:24] to see how they sort of deal with an
[1:49:26] individual but we could expand it to the
[1:49:29] municipality too example traffic and
[1:49:33] impact of traffic especially in the
[1:49:34] community right beside that impacts the
[1:49:37] municipality but it really impacts us so
[1:49:39] it'll be interesting to see how these uh
[1:49:42] submissions go and how you deal with
[1:49:44] them but I'm looking forward to it thank
[1:49:49] you okay Miss turot Mr Wy thank you so
[1:49:52] much for your presentations this evening
[1:49:54] from the impact assessment agency and uh
[1:49:57] Canadian nuclear safety commission we do
[1:50:00] appreciate the uh the guidance you've
[1:50:02] given us tonight thank you for the
[1:50:05] opportunity to come here thank
[1:50:08] you uh so we had a motion on the floor
[1:50:11] that we received presentation all in
[1:50:13] favor uh it's
[1:50:17] carried uh do you want your bio break
[1:50:20] now okay
[1:50:51] e e
[1:54:52] he folks folks I'd like to go home
[1:54:53] tonight so thank you you can bring your
[1:54:57] food back to the table but we're going
[1:54:59] to
[1:55:21] start
[1:55:51] e e
[1:57:05] okay here we
[1:57:10] go uh moving on in the agenda we have uh
[1:57:15] six
[1:57:17] 1B 2025 budget plan report we need a
[1:57:21] move in second
[1:57:24] uh that uh and this this is the fashion
[1:57:28] that we will go through this uh motion
[1:57:30] just so that you are aware we we have
[1:57:32] four very specific parts to this so uh
[1:57:37] with your permission we will we will get
[1:57:40] consensus on the first one and move on
[1:57:42] to the second one get consensus on the
[1:57:44] second one they are individual and
[1:57:47] separate and and you know even though we
[1:57:50] can put it in the context of budget and
[1:57:53] want to talk about trucks and capital
[1:57:56] purchases that's not the issue tonight
[1:57:58] here here's the four specific things so
[1:58:01] we need a mover and seconder the council
[1:58:02] received the 2025 budget plan report for
[1:58:05] information further the council approved
[1:58:07] the 2025 wage increase using the 12
[1:58:10] month July CPI of 2.5 as per human
[1:58:14] resources 03 compensation and benefits
[1:58:17] policy in the 2025 budget be drafted to
[1:58:19] incorporate the economic increase
[1:58:21] accordingly further the council approved
[1:58:23] direct or provide Direction on the
[1:58:25] maximum 2025 property tax increase
[1:58:28] inclusive of the annual Asset Management
[1:58:30] funding requirement of 3% and further
[1:58:33] the council direct staff on any proposed
[1:58:35] service level reductions or expansions
[1:58:37] for 20125 moved by
[1:58:40] counselors and Deputy Mayor Clark and
[1:58:42] councelor
[1:58:43] hinchberger all right so uh
[1:58:46] for uh focus without wandering around
[1:58:50] too much uh do you uh can we reach
[1:58:54] consensus that we receive this budget
[1:58:57] plan report for
[1:58:59] information
[1:59:02] okay uh next uh bullet here further the
[1:59:06] council approved the 2025 wage increase
[1:59:09] using the 12 Monon July CPI of 2.5 as
[1:59:12] per our compensation and benefits policy
[1:59:15] and it be incorporated in the uh draft
[1:59:18] budget uh accordingly
[1:59:22] okay we're good for
[1:59:24] that uh further the TA Council provide
[1:59:28] Direction on the maximum 2025 property
[1:59:30] tax rate increase inclusive of the
[1:59:32] annual Asset Management funding
[1:59:34] requirement
[1:59:35] 3% uh I'd like some direction from our
[1:59:38] man director of corporate
[1:59:40] services uh when I read this uh it
[1:59:46] wasn't what you're asking at this point
[1:59:49] is not based on empirical and and
[1:59:52] numerical evidence it's based on broadly
[1:59:55] speaking where we at in our thought
[1:59:58] process we we know that there we read
[2:00:01] your report we read the influences on
[2:00:03] our budget and I I think what you're
[2:00:07] saying is H do we agree with the 2 to
[2:00:09] four 4 to six 6 to8 8 to 10 that sort of
[2:00:13] thing is that is that what you're
[2:00:15] looking for director yeah through you
[2:00:17] mayor so um in the context of the report
[2:00:20] and the information that's provided and
[2:00:21] I do have a couple of updates to share
[2:00:23] with Council but um yeah everything that
[2:00:26] has been provided in the report is based
[2:00:27] on the existing service levels and the
[2:00:29] cost to continue providing the services
[2:00:31] that we are already providing the
[2:00:32] community so knowing what's in the
[2:00:35] report with respect to the expected tax
[2:00:37] rate increases um and I'll I'll provide
[2:00:40] my update now if that's okay or did you
[2:00:42] want me to wait uh no uh additional
[2:00:45] information is is a good thing so if you
[2:00:47] could if you could provide any factors
[2:00:50] that are influenc our our thought
[2:00:53] process one way or the other and if I
[2:00:55] heard you
[2:00:56] correctly um and and if I'm thinking the
[2:01:00] logically the way this goes we are we're
[2:01:03] thinking of that comfortable number
[2:01:07] politically correct number based on
[2:01:11] identical service levels from last
[2:01:14] year and if we adjust the service up or
[2:01:17] down then that changes the tax rate up
[2:01:19] or
[2:01:19] down so through you I would say like
[2:01:22] what is a realistic um tax rate increase
[2:01:25] if there's a maximum that Council wants
[2:01:27] because um so to proceed with my update
[2:01:30] so if we're looking at the chart that's
[2:01:32] provided in the report with respect to
[2:01:34] the total preliminary budget impacts um
[2:01:37] currently we have a it's just a
[2:01:40] preliminary there's lots of things that
[2:01:41] are still going to change but at this
[2:01:42] point in time we had an operating budget
[2:01:44] impact estimated at 1. 1633 million so
[2:01:47] what that means is an additional um Levy
[2:01:50] requirement of 1.63 3 million in some
[2:01:53] fashion whether it be taxes or through
[2:01:54] rate increases um and so that is
[2:01:58] currently sitting at a tax rate impact
[2:02:00] of
[2:02:01] 8.17% or a tax levy impact of 7% um the
[2:02:06] additional um information that we have
[2:02:08] is respect to the policing costs so we
[2:02:10] received the 2025 um op policing costs
[2:02:13] for next year and the uh it's projected
[2:02:17] to increase by
[2:02:19] $268,000 and the impact of that is .
[2:02:23] 37% um in addition um proceeding with
[2:02:26] the 2024 Market study um the impact of
[2:02:29] that is uh
[2:02:30] $270,000 and that's a 1.38% so if I was
[2:02:34] to recreate this template today um it
[2:02:37] would not be
[2:02:38] 8.17% it would be a starting point of
[2:02:42] 10.88% um so that would be my request to
[2:02:45] council is that understanding what the
[2:02:47] factors are in terms of our um pressures
[2:02:50] that we're seeing externally what is the
[2:02:52] reasonable or maximum rate increase um
[2:02:55] that you would be expecting of of staff
[2:02:58] to come back with for the budget um as
[2:03:00] well as Direction on whether that is to
[2:03:02] include a 3% Asset Management plan Levy
[2:03:05] unlike last year where that was not
[2:03:07] included so that's the kind of thing we
[2:03:09] would be looking for direction
[2:03:11] on any counselor like to begin the
[2:03:14] discussion on that one oh come
[2:03:17] on everybody has to tie their shoe right
[2:03:20] now don't they um councelor Blackwell
[2:03:22] how be you
[2:03:24] start uh thank you through you I don't
[2:03:26] think that this will be a surprise
[2:03:27] coming for me but um I certainly would
[2:03:29] like us to see um us funding our at
[2:03:32] least 3% um annual increase comp
[2:03:35] contribution for our amp I um advocated
[2:03:38] for it strongly last year I think it's
[2:03:39] incredibly important that we start with
[2:03:42] that as a
[2:03:45] base do you have a number number in your
[2:03:49] head that where you're
[2:03:51] where you're comfortable at starting or
[2:03:54] maximum number give us a or or if not
[2:03:57] you don't you can pass on it and wait
[2:03:59] till we go around again um looking at
[2:04:03] these figures and the sums that came
[2:04:05] forward politically I'm comfortable with
[2:04:08] as high as 8% um I'm not sure 100% how
[2:04:11] we're going to get there but certainly
[2:04:14] um I wouldn't necessarily want to see it
[2:04:16] over
[2:04:18] that councelor hinchberger please thank
[2:04:21] you to you ch I I have a Max increase
[2:04:24] ceiling of 8% with a target of seven
[2:04:27] that's inclusive of the 3% for uh Asset
[2:04:31] Management
[2:04:32] [Music]
[2:04:33] um I guess a lot comes down to trying to
[2:04:36] gauge based on very little public input
[2:04:39] what the appetite is for maintaining
[2:04:41] everything no matter how high it goes
[2:04:43] and we all I think have very different
[2:04:45] opinions about what we think the the
[2:04:47] appetite in the community uh is for that
[2:04:50] but uh yeah eight eight Max uh Target
[2:04:54] stretch Target of
[2:04:59] seven anyone
[2:05:01] else councelor Stewart please it
[2:05:04] wouldn't be tax time unless councelor
[2:05:06] Stewart talks about something through
[2:05:08] you chair I would uh recommend uh
[2:05:11] anywhere from the six to 8% Target um I
[2:05:14] think that would be fair I think the
[2:05:17] community understands that we're
[2:05:19] fighting some tough issues but but um
[2:05:22] they're they're getting to the point
[2:05:25] that uh their pocketbooks are getting
[2:05:28] tight too so you know 68 would be
[2:05:30] something that I would be able to agree
[2:05:32] to thank
[2:05:35] you boun st off
[2:05:38] great thank you through you chair I'm
[2:05:41] also aligned with like the six to 8%
[2:05:43] Mark um understanding we'd need to be at
[2:05:46] 8% one thing that I would just
[2:05:47] acknowledge is um thank you to the
[2:05:50] director for providing all the survey
[2:05:52] data that you did um I went through all
[2:05:54] the detailed comments and it doesn't
[2:05:57] look like there's an appetite to reduce
[2:05:59] any of the services that we currently
[2:06:01] have So based on that
[2:06:03] feedback it actually sound out like
[2:06:05] there was some desire to increase but I
[2:06:07] don't know that that's necessarily
[2:06:08] reflective of everyone so that would
[2:06:11] make me comfortable at that 8% to try to
[2:06:13] maintain what we're doing um I think
[2:06:15] it's a realistic number um so that's
[2:06:17] where I'm sitting
[2:06:21] councelor Cavanaugh thank you very much
[2:06:24] and through the chair I I I want to Echo
[2:06:26] counselor steinhoff Gray's comments
[2:06:27] about the survey data uh it of all the
[2:06:30] respondents it provides a very
[2:06:32] interesting picture especially with they
[2:06:34] fill in messages as well um it really
[2:06:37] seems across the board that a lot of
[2:06:39] people are in favor of maintaining and
[2:06:40] taking care of what we have um
[2:06:44] unfortunately that is going to cost a
[2:06:46] significant increase just to make that
[2:06:48] number work so if if we're throwing
[2:06:50] numbers on a wall I I don't think anyone
[2:06:53] would be on board with a double digit
[2:06:55] increase if you asked a member of the
[2:06:57] public to maintain things but I'm
[2:06:58] willing to go as high as
[2:07:04] 9.99 you know there were three numbers
[2:07:06] involved or
[2:07:07] not okay but only one before the decimal
[2:07:11] right
[2:07:14] on uh coun uh councelor pringer you
[2:07:18] haven't had a chance to speak yet thank
[2:07:21] you through your chair um well I too had
[2:07:25] reviewed the survey data and noticed
[2:07:27] that same Trend that there's it seemed
[2:07:30] like there was a little appetite for
[2:07:32] reducing most of our services at least
[2:07:35] um I've actually gotten extremely the
[2:07:38] opposite feedback in person from people
[2:07:41] so I struggle to reconcile those two
[2:07:43] things at the moment um I think that at
[2:07:47] this point in our term um I'm hoping
[2:07:52] counselors are a little more comfortable
[2:07:53] with
[2:07:54] being uh a little more assertive and and
[2:07:58] assertive and actually looking at our
[2:08:00] services and trying to figure out how we
[2:08:03] can be more efficient or effective in
[2:08:05] order to save some costs so we don't
[2:08:07] have to reduce the services themselves
[2:08:09] but maybe do them more effectively not
[2:08:12] that we do a bad job or staff does a bad
[2:08:14] job that's not what I'm saying there's
[2:08:15] always room for improvement in anything
[2:08:17] anyone does though so to look for
[2:08:20] efficiencies so that we can keep our um
[2:08:23] our tax rate increase as low as possible
[2:08:26] is what I'm looking for and uh I I
[2:08:30] struggle to go to go any higher than
[2:08:33] seven or eight that would be scary for
[2:08:34] me I mean I I know just like anyone else
[2:08:37] single income it's not easy to um have a
[2:08:41] huge jump but I also agree that uh the
[2:08:44] 3% for Asset Management uh fund is very
[2:08:47] important it's I struggled not putting
[2:08:49] that in last year so I think we need to
[2:08:50] do it and we just have to get creative
[2:08:52] this year uh creative in a way that we
[2:08:55] didn't last year we were creative last
[2:08:57] year in a couple ways but uh I think we
[2:08:59] gotta not repeat those we did that as a
[2:09:01] onetime fix I agree but creative in
[2:09:05] other ways
[2:09:08] than councelor Blackwell you had a
[2:09:11] question uh yes thank you my question
[2:09:14] was I through you was just related to
[2:09:16] when we may get updates I was just
[2:09:19] briefly looking at the um kind of
[2:09:22] summary sheet we had in the beginning of
[2:09:23] the 2024 budget and one of the um very
[2:09:29] uh favorable varibles perhaps was the um
[2:09:32] property tax assessment growth do you
[2:09:34] know when we find that out and what the
[2:09:36] impact may be considering the amount of
[2:09:38] building that we've been having
[2:09:40] lately so through you so that's actually
[2:09:42] one of the last things that is finalized
[2:09:44] when we get the final tax R and it's
[2:09:45] usually the end of the first week of
[2:09:47] December so because we're trying to have
[2:09:49] the um the first budget meeting a little
[2:09:51] B earlier this year I don't even know if
[2:09:53] I'll have that by the time the
[2:09:54] presentation is is put together I might
[2:09:56] have that as a speaking point but it may
[2:09:58] not be reflected in the
[2:10:03] documents okay so just from uh the
[2:10:07] comments that have been made around the
[2:10:09] table it um I would uh provide Direction
[2:10:15] I would offer the direction to our
[2:10:17] director of corporate services that the
[2:10:20] maximum 2025 property tax rate increase
[2:10:23] inclusive of inclusive of the annual
[2:10:26] Asset Management funding requirement uh
[2:10:28] I'm going to I'm going to put the number
[2:10:30] eight on
[2:10:31] it I've heard six to eight I've heard
[2:10:34] 9.99 but I you know broadly speaking the
[2:10:37] number 6 to8 so you can say that but I'm
[2:10:41] going to guess that the number is going
[2:10:42] to be eight if you if you provide that
[2:10:44] range the number is going to end up
[2:10:46] eight we're going to look at the
[2:10:48] assessment growth which will have an
[2:10:50] effect on the tax rate the next item is
[2:10:54] the service level uh uh reductions or
[2:10:58] expansions so there's there's that
[2:11:00] sleeve that's going to slide a little
[2:11:02] bit uh is comfortable is Council
[2:11:05] comfortable offering a uh a number of uh
[2:11:09] 8% for the tax
[2:11:13] rate 7 to 8%
[2:11:18] okay
[2:11:19] 7.99 okay
[2:11:22] uh as
[2:11:23] Council uh I I did not say in any way
[2:11:27] that that is the final tax rate I'm
[2:11:29] saying that's the direction that we're
[2:11:31] giving staff to create the draft budget
[2:11:35] in the 8% range uh councelor Stein off
[2:11:39] gray please um thank you through you
[2:11:41] chair I'm I'm quite comfortable with
[2:11:43] that as being our direction to staff I
[2:11:45] would be comfortable putting that
[2:11:46] forward as a number um the only thing I
[2:11:49] would ask is if there's an opportunity
[2:11:52] if we could I don't know whether it's a
[2:11:54] point where we have to provide direction
[2:11:55] to staff but I do think as a group we
[2:11:57] should be discussing some of the
[2:11:59] comments where they took the time to put
[2:12:01] um comments into the survey I
[2:12:02] categorized them I made categories and
[2:12:06] chunked them together so that I could
[2:12:08] look at them holistically based on the
[2:12:10] themes that were emerging and I do think
[2:12:12] that in preparation for our budget
[2:12:15] deliberations and that final number that
[2:12:17] we end up with we need to look at those
[2:12:19] concerns and considerations
[2:12:23] um is that the sort of thing through our
[2:12:25] cioo is that the sort of thing that uh
[2:12:28] the councelor could provide
[2:12:30] her uh spreadsheet or however you chunk
[2:12:33] them together no it's likely is it it's
[2:12:36] it's likely far more sophisticated than
[2:12:39] that I'm sorry that's that's that's my
[2:12:41] latest computer update my Commodore 64
[2:12:44] got to a spreadsheet and I'm so excited
[2:12:46] but if if you could no seriously if you
[2:12:50] could provide that to the CAO and you
[2:12:53] know if we could if we could
[2:12:55] categorize I could get it to Ping but it
[2:12:57] would never pong back it was awful uh if
[2:13:00] we could if we could get uh that those
[2:13:03] comments to be included as part of the
[2:13:05] budget discussion
[2:13:07] uh okay is
[2:13:09] that so um so just consensus that we're
[2:13:14] heading for the 7 to 8% range we good
[2:13:17] with that if so but that's it's not a
[2:13:20] motion it's just consent ensus I just
[2:13:21] want to see your hands
[2:13:24] okay uh further the last part of this is
[2:13:27] Council direct staff on any proposed
[2:13:29] service level reductions or expansions
[2:13:32] so if there are
[2:13:33] any uh service level uh expansions or uh
[2:13:39] contractions that you are thinking about
[2:13:41] at this point this is opportunity to
[2:13:43] raise them
[2:13:46] uh um one must be slightly sensitive
[2:13:50] what you talk about when you're saying
[2:13:53] we're going to get rid of this or that
[2:13:55] or something else but there are
[2:13:57] opportunities between now and uh uh our
[2:14:02] next budget meeting whereby the uh
[2:14:05] director says oh somebody somebody has
[2:14:08] has seen this as an area of efficiency
[2:14:12] Improvement or a service reduction or
[2:14:15] you know our community maybe needs to
[2:14:18] spend a little bit this year so that
[2:14:20] next year we get way more back or
[2:14:22] something like that you know if there's
[2:14:24] so I'm offering opportunity to present
[2:14:27] service level changes now or uh there
[2:14:31] must be a a manner in which they can do
[2:14:34] that subsequent to this meeting before
[2:14:36] our next because you know sometimes
[2:14:38] there there needs to be a seed planted
[2:14:40] and it doesn't grow until we get into
[2:14:42] the discussion councelor hinchberger
[2:14:44] please thank you through you chair I I
[2:14:46] had two uh I would have called them more
[2:14:49] adjustments and I can submit them
[2:14:52] separately one of them was to um alter
[2:14:55] the hours of operation at the concard
[2:14:57] Waste Management Center on one day a
[2:15:00] week in the summertime to shift it later
[2:15:03] say from 12 to 6 or 12 to 7 to provide a
[2:15:06] better level of service for people who
[2:15:08] work the traditional Monday to Friday 9
[2:15:10] to five jobs that was one uh I can wait
[2:15:13] my turn for or give the next one right
[2:15:14] now the other is uh I'd like to
[2:15:17] understand what's required to what I
[2:15:20] think would improve the efficiency of
[2:15:21] our seasonal bylaw enforcement by
[2:15:23] mobilizing them on bikes and to look at
[2:15:26] the way we deploy them the majority of
[2:15:28] the observations I've had from people
[2:15:31] throughout the year and myself is they
[2:15:33] tend to do whatever they do in pairs and
[2:15:36] I would just like to know what are the
[2:15:38] uh hurdles uh that would be necessary in
[2:15:42] order to say implement the couple of the
[2:15:44] things I
[2:15:45] described transportation and make them
[2:15:47] more efficient and uh have them uh work
[2:15:51] more independently of each other that's
[2:15:53] it that's
[2:15:54] mine and it was a suggestion that like
[2:15:58] ultimately didn't end up a lot more
[2:16:00] savings or anything but there were hours
[2:16:02] of operation for our Cemetery crew that
[2:16:06] you know it doesn't make a big
[2:16:07] difference as far as dollars and cents
[2:16:09] but it makes a big difference as far as
[2:16:12] uh quality of uh work work shifts you
[2:16:14] know so there's it doesn't always have
[2:16:17] to be uh dollars and cents if there is
[2:16:20] an improvement in in working conditions
[2:16:22] or or whatever those are all good things
[2:16:25] so we have short of any other service
[2:16:29] level comments we have
[2:16:33] uh another one uh councelor St offr
[2:16:37] please um thank you just one thing for
[2:16:41] consideration um when we talk about
[2:16:43] Waste Management because I know that a
[2:16:45] number of questions have been asked um
[2:16:48] and I don't want to negatively impact
[2:16:49] our attempts to keep a reasonable
[2:16:52] increase to our budget so um in
[2:16:56] clarifying that I continue to get
[2:16:58] questions about the ward 3 dump um and I
[2:17:01] know that was one of the few places
[2:17:02] where you could drop off brush for free
[2:17:05] um previous to so in addition to the
[2:17:07] hours of operation I think um one of the
[2:17:10] things I would like to look at is how
[2:17:12] whether or not there's
[2:17:13] flexibility in the hours of operation in
[2:17:16] which facilities we're at and when and
[2:17:19] if that that impacts us
[2:17:21] that's fine I just I'd like to
[2:17:23] understand it and consider it previous
[2:17:24] to our budget discussions just so that
[2:17:26] we have that on the table and one of the
[2:17:28] major themes that's come up even on
[2:17:30] social media and we all know I try to
[2:17:33] say off social media but the ReUse It
[2:17:36] Center a lot of folks did actually use
[2:17:38] that and they missed the service that it
[2:17:40] provided for them to get materials and
[2:17:42] so if there was a creative way to not
[2:17:44] lose control of that Center where we
[2:17:45] have garbage being dumped um as opposed
[2:17:48] to properly managed um but but had the
[2:17:51] good items that folks could leverage
[2:17:54] that need it in the community I I just
[2:17:56] I'd like to consider it as part of the
[2:17:57] budget as
[2:18:00] all uh Deputy Mayor please I'm actually
[2:18:04] wondering if it's going to be perhaps
[2:18:05] more efficient and effective for us to
[2:18:07] do this in writing prior to the next
[2:18:09] meeting um is there is that going to be
[2:18:11] the preference that we just sort of
[2:18:13] perhaps send um our
[2:18:16] suggestions prior to the next
[2:18:19] meeting I I appreciate that suggestion
[2:18:23] but there you know there is real value I
[2:18:26] believe in like there there are some
[2:18:29] things uh you know we're GNA we're going
[2:18:31] to talk about the landfill we're going
[2:18:33] to talk about hours of operation we're
[2:18:34] going to talk about efficiency there's
[2:18:37] uh I I do not disagree with submitting
[2:18:39] them in writing but I and maybe you
[2:18:42] should just to make sure that the
[2:18:45] director gets the intent of what you
[2:18:46] were talking about but there is real
[2:18:48] value in speaking out the changes that
[2:18:52] we might be thinking about so uh uh I
[2:18:56] think it's a both and if I might be so
[2:18:58] bold as to suggest that Deputy Mayor
[2:19:00] councelor Stewart you had your hand up
[2:19:02] please thank you very much for you chair
[2:19:04] are we GNA talk about the other two
[2:19:06] items that are attachment the Legacy
[2:19:08] fund and the uh full-time summary I know
[2:19:11] it's not part of the exact motion or the
[2:19:15] direction but they are sort of
[2:19:18] important uh they are important I concur
[2:19:21] but uh honestly they are not part of
[2:19:24] this motion so yes yes we will talk
[2:19:26] about them but it it's not going to be
[2:19:29] uh tonight on this councelor stof gray
[2:19:31] please thank you through you chair and
[2:19:33] this would be um for our director of
[2:19:36] Parks and Recreation behind me commun
[2:19:40] say versus sorry um thank you Council
[2:19:43] hburg um one of the other themes that
[2:19:46] came out in my Bing activity um some
[2:19:49] folks um again this isn't my own
[2:19:51] research but I think it's something we
[2:19:53] should look at they had acknowledged
[2:19:54] that we had 35 parks and 21 playgrounds
[2:19:57] and I have not confirm this information
[2:20:00] this was survey respondents um but one
[2:20:03] of the things they talked about is there
[2:20:04] a way to reconcile some of our Parks so
[2:20:07] that we are um putting really targeted
[2:20:10] Focus area on what we're doing in
[2:20:12] specific locations as opposed to trying
[2:20:14] to really overstretch ourselves with
[2:20:16] spraw um I don't know the answer to that
[2:20:18] question it might be that we want to
[2:20:20] maintain 35 and 21 um but I would be
[2:20:23] curious for staff's um opinion on that
[2:20:26] because one of the themes that seems to
[2:20:28] be coming out is what can we
[2:20:30] reconcile um so that we get the service
[2:20:32] we want without overextending ourselves
[2:20:34] and that theme um seems to be something
[2:20:37] that goes through all the different
[2:20:39] areas that we're looking at so um I
[2:20:42] think it's something we have to look at
[2:20:43] and even when we talk about like
[2:20:45] washroom maintenance and the different
[2:20:46] things there one of the things we talked
[2:20:48] about in our strategic meeting that I
[2:20:50] again think we need to look at is what
[2:20:53] cost we've had through vandalism and
[2:20:55] other situations because we haven't we
[2:20:57] have been too pulled I'm going to say
[2:21:00] too pulled to actually get our eyes on
[2:21:02] what we need to get our eyes on
[2:21:03] necessarily so I would really I would I
[2:21:06] would really appreciate the staff's
[2:21:08] thoughts on um the cost of our lack of
[2:21:13] presence um to understand whether
[2:21:15] increasing some Services May decrease
[2:21:17] costs on intended through um rectifying
[2:21:20] those situations so that is a lens I
[2:21:23] would like to see on that budget if
[2:21:25] that's
[2:21:29] possible kind of an efficiency
[2:21:31] thing uh Deputy Mayor we did you have
[2:21:34] another comment I could comment um I
[2:21:37] think one of my things will be um in
[2:21:40] relation to the accessibility I know
[2:21:41] that we were uh provided some funding to
[2:21:44] go through the catalog of issues and we
[2:21:46] are currently as the accessibility
[2:21:49] committee looking at um updating that
[2:21:52] catalog of issues and getting some work
[2:21:53] done I know that the last budget we were
[2:21:57] looking very much through a lenss of
[2:21:59] accessibility so I think for for me that
[2:22:01] will be certainly one where one of my
[2:22:03] focuses is this
[2:22:10] budget so we have the motion before us
[2:22:13] we've gone through the item by item we I
[2:22:16] believe we've reached consensus so we
[2:22:18] have a mover and secondary that we
[2:22:20] received the budget for information or
[2:22:22] the the report for
[2:22:24] information uh we uh approve the 2025
[2:22:28] wage increase using the July CPI of
[2:22:32] 2.5% uh We've provided Direction on the
[2:22:34] maximum 2025 property tax rate increase
[2:22:37] inclusive of the asset management
[2:22:40] funding and we uh have uh directed staff
[2:22:44] on any proposed service level reductions
[2:22:47] and we've also provided an option to
[2:22:49] provide any subsequent ones in writing
[2:22:52] or conversation if if that is your
[2:22:54] choice uh all in favor of the motion
[2:22:58] anyone opposed that's carried well
[2:23:01] done uh 2025 Consolidated rates and fees
[2:23:05] we need a moover and second that the
[2:23:06] council approve the proposed 2025
[2:23:08] Consolidated rates and fee schedule as
[2:23:10] outline in staff report Financial
[2:23:12] Services
[2:23:13] 20242 effect of January 1 2025 moved and
[2:23:17] seconded by councelor hinchberger and
[2:23:19] councelor Kavanaugh
[2:23:21] uh director would you like to speak to
[2:23:23] this or just wait for
[2:23:25] questions through you will wait for
[2:23:27] questions uh any questions councelor
[2:23:30] Stewart please thank you um it's quite a
[2:23:33] list it's quite a list um I think we
[2:23:36] need to make sure that the public
[2:23:38] realizes those sewer rates are going to
[2:23:40] go up
[2:23:42] 88.8% and the water rates will be
[2:23:44] increasing 6.9 so that's a fairly Hefty
[2:23:47] increase well I'm not saying it's not
[2:23:49] required it's probably more than
[2:23:51] required but it also needs to be taken
[2:23:54] out of this report and make sure the
[2:23:55] public understands that before they get
[2:23:57] their first invoice thank you very much
[2:23:59] for the recreational burn permit I don't
[2:24:02] quite understand it used to be
[2:24:04] 2066 it's now just $20 thank you very
[2:24:07] much saving myself 66 cents and I just
[2:24:10] have a general question when we were
[2:24:12] looking at the sewer rates and Sewer
[2:24:14] lagoons and tured and everything and
[2:24:17] this is just a general question does
[2:24:18] Bruce Power OPG are do they actually pay
[2:24:21] us sewer rates at that Lagoon you might
[2:24:24] not be able to answer it it might be a
[2:24:25] mark question thank you for you if
[2:24:29] you're speaking about the Bruce Energy
[2:24:30] Center customers yes we do have rates
[2:24:32] and fees that we do collect from the
[2:24:34] customers there actually I'm asking
[2:24:37] about the big Power Plant do they pay
[2:24:39] rates or do they use our
[2:24:41] Lagoon no
[2:24:54] so we do have our manager of
[2:24:57] Environmental Services markco ly online
[2:24:59] if there's any questions for him but
[2:25:02] other than that we have the motion on
[2:25:03] the floor all in favor anyone
[2:25:06] opposed that's
[2:25:09] carried uh debenture for concard and
[2:25:11] business Parklands at Highway
[2:25:14] 921 uh we need a moover and seconder
[2:25:16] that Council direct staff to finalize
[2:25:18] the debenture documentation in the
[2:25:20] amount of
[2:25:21] 2,626 th000 over a 5year term for the
[2:25:24] servicing cost for Highway 921 Business
[2:25:26] Park to convert the floating rate
[2:25:28] Capital loan through
[2:25:30] oilc to a debenture moved by
[2:25:33] counselors inberg and
[2:25:37] Keva uh director do you want to uh uh
[2:25:43] just give us a broad overview of what
[2:25:45] we're doing uh it's my understanding
[2:25:46] we're just completing direction that we
[2:25:48] had given staff previously that we were
[2:25:50] going to move ahead with this and and
[2:25:52] you had informed us this was the the the
[2:25:55] process and the direction uh okay well
[2:26:00] that's another way of putting it so uh
[2:26:02] are there any questions regarding this
[2:26:04] motion councelor hinchberger
[2:26:07] please um a couple um I was having a
[2:26:11] discussion with councelor Blackwell
[2:26:13] about this before the meeting just a
[2:26:14] couple checks were there options other
[2:26:16] than the uh five-year term and if there
[2:26:19] were what was the thought process behind
[2:26:21] that and the other is is there any
[2:26:23] opportunity if uh development occurs and
[2:26:26] we get those funds to uh pay off the
[2:26:30] debenture early or we constrained to the
[2:26:33] full life of
[2:26:36] it through you that's a good question um
[2:26:40] so that the fact that we actually cannot
[2:26:42] pay it down early is the reason why the
[2:26:45] staff recommendation is a five-year term
[2:26:47] um so if we did anything further like
[2:26:49] greater than that 10 years 20 years then
[2:26:51] we'll be having we' be forced to pay
[2:26:53] that for the full term or incur a
[2:26:55] significant penalty so that's the
[2:26:57] thought process behind the short
[2:26:59] fiveyear
[2:27:01] term uh councelor Blackwell you had a
[2:27:05] question uh thank you that was my
[2:27:08] question councelor Stewart thank you
[2:27:11] very much and through you
[2:27:13] chair I don't know what the feeling of
[2:27:15] the council is
[2:27:18] um these things are basically the
[2:27:21] interest over five years is a quar of a
[2:27:23] million dollars that comes out of
[2:27:25] basically
[2:27:26] taxpayers
[2:27:28] um and and we're a little premature
[2:27:31] because we really haven't talked about
[2:27:32] Bruce Telecom
[2:27:34] proceeds you know and I think that you
[2:27:36] know it's unfortunate because I the
[2:27:38] timing's not correct basically you have
[2:27:41] to have this thing wrapped up probably
[2:27:42] the interest rate will come down a bit
[2:27:44] because there's another Canada thing on
[2:27:46] the 28th of October and interest rates
[2:27:48] are going south the only problem is that
[2:27:51] we really need as a council to really
[2:27:54] figure out what we're going to do with
[2:27:55] the Bruce Telecom proceeds we could have
[2:27:58] lent them the money and we could
[2:28:00] actually take that interest back into
[2:28:02] our Bruce Telecom Legacy fund so you
[2:28:05] know it it is some consideration because
[2:28:08] you know as you're well aware with the
[2:28:11] proceeds and you did a great job on the
[2:28:12] other one showing all the proceeds and
[2:28:14] where they are interest rates are going
[2:28:17] down you know so you know we have 28 8
[2:28:20] million that probably down the road will
[2:28:22] be making two or 3% maybe it's time we
[2:28:25] sort of look at it especially during our
[2:28:27] time when we're going to look at the
[2:28:28] Legacy that we might start lending money
[2:28:31] to ourselves but paying back interest at
[2:28:34] a fair interest rate plus the principal
[2:28:37] instead of just leaving that money in
[2:28:39] the bank because right now we're
[2:28:40] borrowing it from somebody and giving
[2:28:42] them the proceeds and then you know I'm
[2:28:45] not sure if that really makes sense long
[2:28:46] term thank you
[2:28:50] director
[2:28:51] please so through you um so Council
[2:28:55] passed the bylaw for the Bruce Telecom
[2:28:57] Legacy fund policy um one of the guiding
[2:28:59] principles of that policy is to ensure
[2:29:02] the preservation of capital so depleting
[2:29:05] or withdrawing significant amount of
[2:29:07] funds would not be in alignment with
[2:29:09] that policy so therefore that would
[2:29:10] require a complete revision and redo of
[2:29:12] the policy prior to the end of the term
[2:29:15] of the um of the loan which is December
[2:29:18] so Council would have to make that
[2:29:19] decision quickly um with the respect to
[2:29:22] the comment about that there is
[2:29:24] uncertainty with what to do with the bru
[2:29:26] Telecom funds that is all documented in
[2:29:30] the policy um and it's clear about what
[2:29:33] the interest earnings can be used for um
[2:29:36] in terms of the timing as well and it's
[2:29:38] to fund uh a major Capital project and
[2:29:42] it's supposed to be decided upon during
[2:29:43] the annual budget process so with the
[2:29:46] first withdrawal that won't be able to
[2:29:47] be made until um later on next year and
[2:29:50] there's even an amount set out so I
[2:29:52] guess staff is somewhat confused about
[2:29:55] why um there's confusion about the fact
[2:29:58] that we haven't talked about the policy
[2:30:00] um so that's staff's
[2:30:02] perspective Stein offre please thank you
[2:30:05] through chair and just a clarification
[2:30:07] to the previous report you provided the
[2:30:09] 2025 budget plan report I thought I read
[2:30:11] a line in there somewhere saying that we
[2:30:14] wouldn't be able to do anything with the
[2:30:16] fund until the 3rd of May 2025 anyways
[2:30:21] um because you would need to wait a year
[2:30:23] after the initial Capital transfer so I
[2:30:26] just I'm clarifying that because that is
[2:30:28] another argument as to why we wouldn't
[2:30:30] be able to do this what's being
[2:30:32] suggested through you that's correct and
[2:30:35] we're still following the first year
[2:30:36] phase in Period so we're gradually
[2:30:38] making those transfers into the one
[2:30:40] investment fund as was stipulated under
[2:30:42] the uh the policy so to make changes now
[2:30:45] would be a significant deviation from
[2:30:47] what was approved by Council
[2:30:50] councelor hinchberger your hand up there
[2:30:52] please uh thank you
[2:30:55] um I think what I heard though as far as
[2:30:58] touching the capital of Bruce Telecom
[2:31:00] the perspective was that this would be
[2:31:02] an investment not that whereas we have
[2:31:06] the capital invested in a
[2:31:08] certain asset
[2:31:10] mix it wouldn't be taking the capital
[2:31:14] from it to do this it would be part of
[2:31:16] your Investment Portfolio would actually
[2:31:19] be a loan to yourself if I understand it
[2:31:26] correctly are you I'm not sure how you
[2:31:28] would do that without withdrawing money
[2:31:31] you're like unless you're unless
[2:31:32] council's proposing to use the interest
[2:31:34] earnings to pay for the annual
[2:31:42] payments yeah if I may I I think uh
[2:31:45] rather than uh solely investing the
[2:31:48] money in in one in Investments which is
[2:31:50] the the brand name uh like uh I think
[2:31:54] councelor hinchberger correct me if I'm
[2:31:55] wrong was suggesting that uh it might be
[2:31:58] appropriate and I think councelor
[2:32:00] Stewart's comment was something the same
[2:32:03] was that uh part of the
[2:32:06] investment rather than gold or buildings
[2:32:09] or something part of the investment is
[2:32:12] infrastructure so part of your was that
[2:32:14] the suggestion that
[2:32:17] you're yeah so uh having said that I I'm
[2:32:22] I'm going to uh just refer back to our
[2:32:25] policy again which does not provide us
[2:32:29] the opportunity to make any withdrawals
[2:32:31] of any sort from the Bruce Telecom
[2:32:34] Legacy fund until May of next
[2:32:37] year is that is that
[2:32:42] what can you clarify that for me
[2:32:45] director please so that would be for the
[2:32:48] interest earnings for the interest
[2:32:50] earnings um but the policy spe is
[2:32:53] specific in terms of the Legacy fund
[2:32:54] investment asset mix and it's clearly
[2:32:57] states ultimately at the end of the
[2:32:59] transition period zero in cash 5%
[2:33:04] maximum it's specific with one
[2:33:06] investment Canadian Equity portfolio
[2:33:08] there's targets as well as the fixed
[2:33:11] income one Canadian corporate bonds and
[2:33:13] government bonds so everything is as per
[2:33:16] what was approved in the policy so if
[2:33:17] Council wishes to deviate from the
[2:33:19] policy
[2:33:20] that's something that Council can do
[2:33:22] it's just not a recommendation of staff
[2:33:24] so the policy precludes investment in
[2:33:27] things other
[2:33:29] than what's uh stated in the policy
[2:33:33] which is through one
[2:33:36] investment uh it it doesn't allow us to
[2:33:38] make investments using the principle in
[2:33:42] uh in infrastructure or trucks or stuff
[2:33:45] like
[2:33:46] that or loans correct okay thank
[2:33:51] you
[2:33:52] yeah uh councelor
[2:33:55] Stewart thank you it's it's through you
[2:33:58] chair it's interesting because we're
[2:34:00] sort of talk about the policy over here
[2:34:02] we are the policy we make policy uh we
[2:34:05] can actually change policy with a vote
[2:34:07] of I guess five of us um it is a thought
[2:34:12] you know I know that you know when we
[2:34:14] first got the funds we needed to put
[2:34:16] them away and really sort of think about
[2:34:18] it and that's part of the whole whole
[2:34:19] thing I brought up tonight we need to
[2:34:21] really start to think about this if
[2:34:24] we're loaning $8 million from somebody
[2:34:26] we're paying somebody a half a million
[2:34:28] dollars a year in interest you know why
[2:34:30] shouldn't we be paying ourself and not
[2:34:33] depleting our principal we still have
[2:34:35] the principal because we have to still
[2:34:37] pay back the interest plus the principal
[2:34:38] to the fund and so you know I think it'd
[2:34:41] be you know we're sitting here with $28
[2:34:44] million and we're going to go out and
[2:34:46] borrow some money from an outside
[2:34:48] company and pay them the interest
[2:34:50] maybe we can't do it now but we really
[2:34:52] have to think about that and maybe start
[2:34:54] to restructure our policy to allow this
[2:34:57] kind of activity to take place uh
[2:35:00] because I don't want to see us borrowing
[2:35:02] money from outside when we could borrow
[2:35:04] from inside and still maintain our
[2:35:07] policy of keeping the principle than you
[2:35:10] C St offra please thank you through you
[2:35:13] chair um I'd just like to clarify um a
[2:35:17] question because I I think it with the
[2:35:20] the direction this has taken I think
[2:35:22] it's worth asking have we already
[2:35:25] invested some of those funds because
[2:35:27] there could be penalties from backing
[2:35:29] away from that too so I'm just curious
[2:35:31] based on I know you outlined what we're
[2:35:33] allowed to invest in through the policy
[2:35:35] um have we made any Investments to
[2:35:37] current date because I don't want to
[2:35:40] revert ourselves if we have a
[2:35:43] term so through you so yes so there was
[2:35:46] a schedule attached to the budget plan
[2:35:47] report that's the schedule of the Legacy
[2:35:49] fund Holdings as of August 30th um and
[2:35:52] there are some gic's that have in
[2:35:55] invested into as well as one Canadian
[2:35:56] government bonds and corporate bonds and
[2:35:58] Canadian equities as per the transition
[2:36:00] policy um there is also cash available
[2:36:04] because that cash is being gradually
[2:36:05] transferred over into the one investment
[2:36:11] fund followup
[2:36:13] please followup please councelor St off
[2:36:16] great yeah of those gic's um and
[2:36:18] government bonds that we've invested in
[2:36:20] is there a term
[2:36:22] Associated through you so no there's
[2:36:25] some some suggested terms of how long
[2:36:27] you should be holding on to those in
[2:36:29] order to see the benefit of growth um
[2:36:31] some of them are between 18 months and
[2:36:33] three years um some are four plus years
[2:36:36] and some are even longer term than that
[2:36:38] and we do have gic's currently that are
[2:36:41] uh two years some are 12 months some are
[2:36:42] 18 months so they're staggered so that
[2:36:44] they all don't mature at the same
[2:36:48] time Mr Stewart please just to clarify
[2:36:51] and to help everyone out um if you take
[2:36:54] a look at the proceeds the initial
[2:36:57] investment we have a CIBC highin savings
[2:37:00] account which is basically cash and it's
[2:37:03] 13.5 million thank
[2:37:07] you okay so I uh appreciate that Council
[2:37:13] looked at
[2:37:15] the uh the value of stability when we uh
[2:37:19] invested These
[2:37:21] funds uh there was a specific plan
[2:37:24] moving forward I
[2:37:27] uh would encourage you to maintain that
[2:37:31] that stability even on the short term
[2:37:34] it's it's not that I disagree with the
[2:37:36] concept of internal borrowing that's
[2:37:38] that's not what I'm saying but this uh
[2:37:41] Legacy fund is there for a reason to
[2:37:43] provide stability for a long time and uh
[2:37:48] um I'm just going to ask for Council
[2:37:51] vote on this that oh councelor pranger
[2:37:54] go ahead yeah you haven't spoken to
[2:37:56] it thank you through you chair
[2:37:59] um I actually agree with councelor
[2:38:01] Stewart on this one um thanks uh
[2:38:07] so and anyone can correct me I don't
[2:38:10] want to speak for the other counselors
[2:38:11] but I know when this policy came about
[2:38:15] um it sort of felt at least to me that
[2:38:17] we were under a bit of a crunch we had
[2:38:20] to decide what to do with it and none of
[2:38:22] us are investment bankers or Prof
[2:38:24] investment professionals so uh and what
[2:38:27] our um director recommended for what we
[2:38:31] how we write this policy and what we
[2:38:32] invest in made complete sense to me at
[2:38:34] the time it seemed very reasonable this
[2:38:37] opportunity was not present at the time
[2:38:39] or um this need wasn't present at the
[2:38:42] time so it wasn't considered and I agree
[2:38:44] that as Council we are the policy makers
[2:38:47] and we do have capability of changing
[2:38:50] our policies if we see that there could
[2:38:52] be a benefit to doing so um I think in
[2:38:55] this instance we actually have an
[2:38:57] opportunity here and something we should
[2:39:01] consider councelor hinchberger please
[2:39:04] tried my best to rapidly pull up the
[2:39:06] Bruce Telecom Legacy fund there's a
[2:39:09] section in Municipal investment
[2:39:10] framework a municipality May invest its
[2:39:12] funds in accord with with oeg for 3897
[2:39:16] which outlines a very fairly limited set
[2:39:18] of convert conserva investment
[2:39:20] instruments that it can do I guess a
[2:39:24] pertinent question would be is the where
[2:39:27] this line of thought is going would that
[2:39:29] be in compliance or not in compliance
[2:39:31] with the reg because if it's not it's a
[2:39:33] moot point we couldn't do it anyways for
[2:39:36] you so it's independent of the
[2:39:38] regulation it's not an investment it's a
[2:39:39] loan to ourselves so we're just
[2:39:40] borrowing
[2:39:41] internally um so it's outside of that
[2:39:44] regulation okay so they wouldn't get as
[2:39:47] far as the government is concerned with
[2:39:48] the regul they wouldn't consider this
[2:39:51] ambass
[2:39:55] thanks okay so we have uh motion that
[2:39:58] Council direct staff to finalize the
[2:40:00] debenture documentation the amount of uh
[2:40:03] 2,626 th000 over fiveyear term for the 9
[2:40:06] and 21 Business Park to convert the
[2:40:08] floating rate to a debenture it was
[2:40:11] moved by
[2:40:13] sorry councilors hinchberger and
[2:40:16] Kavanaugh all in
[2:40:17] favor opposed
[2:40:19] and that
[2:40:22] carried revisions to uh
[2:40:27] policy PD 1.2 plans of subdivision
[2:40:30] development uh we need a mover and
[2:40:32] seconder that Council adop the policy
[2:40:34] number deev O2 complete with appendix a
[2:40:38] being the subdivision agreement and
[2:40:40] appendix B Municipal development and
[2:40:42] servicing guidelines moved by
[2:40:45] counselors hinchberger
[2:40:47] and Clark
[2:40:49] Deputy Mayor
[2:40:51] Clark uh any
[2:40:53] discussion uh councelor Blackwell
[2:40:57] please uh thank you through you I
[2:40:59] appreciate the reference to the cycling
[2:41:01] master plan um but I had uh maybe two
[2:41:04] questions first was around our official
[2:41:08] plan asking for sidewalks on both sides
[2:41:11] of collector roads um and wondering
[2:41:15] whether that's been included Within
[2:41:16] These recommendations and the other is
[2:41:19] whether there's any kind of reference to
[2:41:21] Trail connections for new
[2:41:25] subdivisions I see our director of uh
[2:41:28] infrastructure and development on uh
[2:41:31] online here uh good evening director
[2:41:34] would you like to comment on that
[2:41:36] please thank you through you mayor Craig
[2:41:39] um so the the first element uh in
[2:41:41] relation to where we you know where
[2:41:44] we're installing sidewalks uh
[2:41:47] unfortunately without having the
[2:41:48] opportunity to look at kind of both of
[2:41:50] those in in advance of this meeting I
[2:41:52] can't say confidently but um what I can
[2:41:55] tell you is that the approach generally
[2:41:57] is that you know we're only putting
[2:41:59] sidewalks um on both sides in in
[2:42:02] appropriate locations but again I'd have
[2:42:03] to refer back to the other documents and
[2:42:06] just not prepared to comment on that uh
[2:42:08] here this evening um uh the uh the
[2:42:12] second um uh sorry counselor Blackwell
[2:42:15] can you uh can you uh State what the
[2:42:17] second was again
[2:42:19] yes sorry um thanks it was about Trail
[2:42:22] connections um and whether that's been
[2:42:24] Incorporated at all into the
[2:42:26] recommendations thank you very much and
[2:42:29] through you mayor Craig uh the the
[2:42:31] second component um historically we did
[2:42:34] not have you know a lot associated with
[2:42:37] Trails uh in terms of what what we would
[2:42:39] look at in guidelines and even you know
[2:42:41] subdivision agreements so over the last
[2:42:44] five six years we've started really
[2:42:47] incorporating trails and establishing
[2:42:49] what the criteria is in terms of uh you
[2:42:52] know usage for materials and
[2:42:53] connectivity and everything so there is
[2:42:56] some detail in there but uh I'm not
[2:42:58] certain if it's you know if it if it's
[2:43:01] sufficient to what uh what you may be
[2:43:03] looking for but there is some reference
[2:43:04] in the
[2:43:11] guideline so we are received uh the
[2:43:14] report uh seeing no more questions we
[2:43:18] have uh mover and seconder the council
[2:43:20] adopt policy complete with appendex a
[2:43:23] being the subdivision agreement and
[2:43:25] Municipal development services and
[2:43:27] guidelines all in favor anyone
[2:43:30] oppos that's carried Sledge removal
[2:43:33] Environmental Services 2024 or 27 we
[2:43:37] need a moover and seconder the council
[2:43:39] approve a 2024 budget amendment to
[2:43:42] accelerate a project for Sledge removal
[2:43:44] from both the titon and or the conard
[2:43:47] and tton Lagoon sites at a cost of
[2:43:50] 680,000 funded from the sewer Reserve
[2:43:52] fund
[2:43:54] 67 moved by councelor Kavanaugh and
[2:43:57] Stein off gray uh
[2:44:02] discussion councelor hinchberger please
[2:44:05] uh thank you to you mayor uh it strikes
[2:44:08] me as maybe it's a coincidence that the
[2:44:12] both the conard wastewater treatment
[2:44:13] plant and the Bruce Energy Center
[2:44:15] wastewater treatment plant that were
[2:44:16] built at very different times and are
[2:44:18] about 20 K apart seem to be having a a
[2:44:22] degrading Trend in total suspended
[2:44:24] solids uh over
[2:44:26] 2024 and other than like Capital changes
[2:44:29] that might be playing a role here have
[2:44:32] there been any changes in operating
[2:44:34] practices at those uh two plants uh in
[2:44:37] this year that's my first
[2:44:41] question good evening to you mayor Craig
[2:44:44] um there hasn't been any significant
[2:44:46] changes councelor hinchberger to um the
[2:44:49] overall I guess process will start with
[2:44:52] the kardan site um as many of you are
[2:44:54] aware there was an ation upgrade done
[2:44:56] there in uh
[2:44:58] 2022 um that project has not yielded the
[2:45:03] results that uh we're hoping for and the
[2:45:06] the majority of the problem with that
[2:45:08] project right now is the new Iration
[2:45:10] system that we have installed is
[2:45:13] actually I would say somewhat plugged or
[2:45:17] isn't running as as efficiently is we'd
[2:45:19] like it uh to produce the dissolved
[2:45:22] oxygen that we need through the
[2:45:23] treatment process um when I say plugged
[2:45:27] that would be a combination of solids
[2:45:29] like sludge but it is also plugged with
[2:45:32] a combination of uh rags and things that
[2:45:34] are not uh deteriorating in our uh cells
[2:45:39] which are now kind of somewhat covering
[2:45:41] our air our our air Raiders and in
[2:45:44] particular the fine bubble component of
[2:45:46] those air Raiders uh at the be C site we
[2:45:49] haven't had any significant changes at
[2:45:52] all um as far as overall uh operations
[2:45:57] uh we have made some tweaks at both
[2:45:59] sites uh to chemical uh dosing um we've
[2:46:02] also worked at the tton site to ensure
[2:46:05] compliance through the business park so
[2:46:07] early in the spring we did Chase down
[2:46:10] some uh samples from some of our sources
[2:46:14] in the business park and some of those
[2:46:16] weren't in compliance with what our
[2:46:19] sewer bylaw is uh so we did some PR in
[2:46:23] those sites to uh both hand out the
[2:46:26] bylaw and then ensure uh compliance and
[2:46:29] we have continued to sample some of
[2:46:31] those sites to ensure that uh results
[2:46:34] have gotten better and and they have
[2:46:35] improved throughout the
[2:46:39] year uh thank you my second question is
[2:46:41] more about um I read the environmental
[2:46:43] compliance approval for the Bruce Energy
[2:46:46] Center wastewater treatment plant and
[2:46:48] there's there's generally the the
[2:46:50] distinction between effluent objectives
[2:46:52] and effluent uh limits or requirements
[2:46:55] and we look like we're outside of the
[2:46:58] affluent limits requirements which gets
[2:47:00] us into things which can be like are
[2:47:02] legally enforceable so my question is
[2:47:05] like under the Environmental Protection
[2:47:06] act there is the concept of
[2:47:08] environmental penalties and there's an
[2:47:10] environmental penalties regulation I
[2:47:12] guess my question generally is is are
[2:47:15] municipal uh facilities like this still
[2:47:19] uh subject to the potential for
[2:47:21] environmental penalties or are we
[2:47:24] exempt uh through you mayor Craig so uh
[2:47:28] the municipality is not exempt from
[2:47:30] those types of penalties um as you're
[2:47:34] aware through the compliance report and
[2:47:36] there's one coming again later that on a
[2:47:38] on a monthly basis we report these to
[2:47:40] the ministry of uh environment
[2:47:42] conservation and Parks um we have a site
[2:47:46] specific inspector for those sites uh so
[2:47:49] he is personally uh emailed each month
[2:47:52] um that we remain out of compliance so
[2:47:54] we are not IM we're not immune to the
[2:47:57] fines uh however the ministry is more
[2:47:59] likely to look at um what the
[2:48:02] municipality is doing as far as a
[2:48:03] proactive approach um
[2:48:06] you're a project like this where we're
[2:48:08] looking to be proactive and start to
[2:48:10] deal with some of these issues um in my
[2:48:13] experience the ministry is very
[2:48:15] receptive of those and and provide some
[2:48:18] lenience
[2:48:19] um but if we were to choose to do
[2:48:21] nothing and just remain out of
[2:48:22] compliance um they're more likely to
[2:48:25] implement um orders um to get these
[2:48:29] things in compliance as opposed to
[2:48:34] fines councelor Stein off gray please um
[2:48:38] through you chair just kind of building
[2:48:40] off of the questions of councelor Stuart
[2:48:43] um one of the things that I noticed was
[2:48:46] um obviously August we were
[2:48:49] significantly over um for King Carden
[2:48:52] 52.5 mg per liter um and then September
[2:48:56] up to
[2:48:57] 68 um we seem to be inclining and we're
[2:49:00] already exceeding what we're allowed for
[2:49:03] suspended solids so I guess my question
[2:49:06] is I don't see a date for when this
[2:49:08] works happening in
[2:49:10] 2025 and is there a plan to try to pull
[2:49:13] it Forward because if anything we've had
[2:49:16] relatively stable numbers until we
[2:49:18] didn't so we were always well under our
[2:49:20] exceedence like when you look back at
[2:49:22] 2023 it's very like it's very level like
[2:49:26] the numbers are very there's no real
[2:49:28] movement up or down it's very stable
[2:49:31] stable State and now we have this
[2:49:33] inclining trend um so I guess my
[2:49:35] question is how far can we incline
[2:49:37] before we have to ramp up the work
[2:49:39] because I I I I'm not confident that it
[2:49:42] would be unlikely that we're not going
[2:49:45] to have another increase when we do our
[2:49:46] samples for the next month based on
[2:49:48] what's happening so I see this activity
[2:49:51] as must do um to course correct but are
[2:49:55] is there a situation where we might need
[2:49:57] to try to bring this work forward and
[2:49:59] will the weather imple like will the
[2:50:01] weather impact us for getting this done
[2:50:03] because we're going into winter I just I
[2:50:05] would like to understand the time frame
[2:50:06] because I didn't see
[2:50:09] dates sure and through you mayor Craig
[2:50:12] so the reason that we've brought the
[2:50:14] report forward tonight is to try to
[2:50:16] accelerate this um we are we're hoping
[2:50:19] to procure the project which I would say
[2:50:21] would uh is going to take uh a bit of
[2:50:25] time here and and mother nature does
[2:50:27] play an impact on uh Wastewater sites so
[2:50:31] um the likelihood of getting this
[2:50:33] project completed in 2024 or even
[2:50:36] through the winter months it is is just
[2:50:39] isn't going to happen um so the idea
[2:50:42] here is that accelerating the project
[2:50:44] would get us first in the queue and be
[2:50:46] ready to go for 2025
[2:50:49] um my expectation would be because of
[2:50:51] the new aeration cell in kardan it
[2:50:54] should produce enough air through the
[2:50:56] winter to keep that pond open so it
[2:50:58] doesn't freeze over um the the
[2:51:02] projection to get the sludge out of that
[2:51:03] pond would be about three weeks I would
[2:51:05] hope we could be in there like April 1st
[2:51:09] uh and out of there by mid to late April
[2:51:11] and then at that point um we would hope
[2:51:14] that the becc pawns had opened up um and
[2:51:17] that we didn't have ice there that we
[2:51:19] would go directly to the becc site um
[2:51:22] based on the sludge there I think that
[2:51:24] project was was going to be closer to a
[2:51:26] month um if not five weeks to complete
[2:51:28] all the works up there as well uh so the
[2:51:31] goal would be to have these projects
[2:51:33] wrapped up by the end of May um we've
[2:51:35] already been in contact with the
[2:51:37] ministry to inform them that these uh
[2:51:40] projects are on the radar for us uh the
[2:51:42] reason for the for the information is
[2:51:45] because quite often when you do these
[2:51:46] projects your results actually
[2:51:49] um get stirred up so we're we're working
[2:51:51] to produce um some contingency plans to
[2:51:55] do everything we can um but yeah that
[2:51:58] we're looking hopefully to be completed
[2:52:00] by the end of May next year which
[2:52:02] somewhat aligns with uh when we really
[2:52:04] started to experience odor issues in
[2:52:06] King Carden this
[2:52:09] year counc Story
[2:52:12] please thank you through you chair I'm
[2:52:14] sort of laughing um for the seven years
[2:52:17] I've been on Council I don't think I've
[2:52:18] talked so much about lagoons in my life
[2:52:21] and I'm learning much more than I really
[2:52:23] need to learn but uh Mark you're doing a
[2:52:25] good job um the only problem I'm having
[2:52:27] is it doesn't sound like uh uh we maybe
[2:52:31] should have noticed this a little
[2:52:33] earlier but uh how many times do we have
[2:52:36] to take the Sledge out of these lagoons
[2:52:38] I mean is it a yearly thing or is it
[2:52:40] every five years because you mentioned
[2:52:42] in your executive summary you asked if
[2:52:45] anyone wanted it and nobody wants it so
[2:52:48] not sure where you're going to put it
[2:52:50] you know but uh you know it seems to be
[2:52:52] an ongoing problem and we've invested
[2:52:55] quite a bit in some of these lagoons you
[2:52:57] think once we get the sludge out some of
[2:52:59] those apparatuses will work a little bit
[2:53:01] we got infrared we have this we have
[2:53:03] that um help me out with a sort of a
[2:53:06] future what you're predicting thank
[2:53:09] you sure and through you mayor Craig
[2:53:13] so counselor St the the tendency for
[2:53:16] this type of work used to be land
[2:53:18] application
[2:53:19] um so very similar to agricultural um
[2:53:22] practices but those practices for the
[2:53:26] amount of sludge we have and um are just
[2:53:30] not practical we I wouldn't even want to
[2:53:32] guess what we would need for acreage but
[2:53:33] if if I were to guess I would guess
[2:53:35] somewhere between two and 3,000 acres is
[2:53:37] what would be needed for what we have in
[2:53:39] all these ponds uh in a past life I've
[2:53:42] had great success with a technology
[2:53:44] called geot tubes and what the geot
[2:53:46] tubes do is you pump your sludge into
[2:53:49] hard woven bags that dewat so the water
[2:53:53] actually goes back to the ponds and then
[2:53:55] you collect the um solids in the uh in
[2:54:01] the bags so I'm sure you guys can all
[2:54:04] envision this but when you flush the
[2:54:06] toilet there there's a lot of water goes
[2:54:07] down the toilet and there's not a lot of
[2:54:09] solids um so what we've done is you add
[2:54:12] the polymer you capture the solids uh
[2:54:15] you let it dewater and it works similar
[2:54:17] to an ice cube that you leave in in your
[2:54:19] freezer for too long where it shrinks
[2:54:21] through a cold period freezes shrinks
[2:54:23] and the idea would then be to move those
[2:54:26] solids at this point to landfill for
[2:54:28] cover or for final um application for
[2:54:31] like trying to grow top soil or
[2:54:33] something on a capped landfill um it
[2:54:35] works with great success um and that
[2:54:38] would probably be the the option we
[2:54:40] would be looking at for procurement here
[2:54:43] long term I would suggest uh easily um
[2:54:47] that you would be looking at an
[2:54:49] additional I would say with ease 30 to
[2:54:52] 40 Years of um probably very little
[2:54:57] problems in the large ponds in King
[2:54:59] Carden based on the findings of the
[2:55:01] small pond in King cardan we're
[2:55:03] projecting that it should probably be
[2:55:04] cleaned every 10 years um and the becc
[2:55:08] site to our knowledge has never had any
[2:55:10] sludge removal taken out of it um but
[2:55:13] typically once you do the sludge removal
[2:55:15] um they they come back to a really good
[2:55:17] useful life and and then you're just
[2:55:19] looking at upgrades to your airra
[2:55:21] equipment and blowers and things of that
[2:55:22] nature but I would suspect once we get
[2:55:25] these Sledge projects done um that that
[2:55:28] we would see improved results and
[2:55:30] long-term good
[2:55:32] results thank you
[2:55:36] Mark we have a uh motion on the floor to
[2:55:40] approve 2024 budget amendment the amount
[2:55:43] of
[2:55:45] 680,000 for Sledge removal all in favor
[2:55:49] and that is carried uh at this point I'd
[2:55:52] like to uh recuse myself from the chairs
[2:55:55] uh regarding this next uh notice of
[2:55:57] motion prior to the meeting and uh
[2:56:00] Deputy Mayor is going to uh run the
[2:56:04] meeting
[2:56:21] oh yeah
[2:56:35] see okay so we we have a
[2:56:39] motion we're at section
[2:56:41] 2171 of the municipal act 2001
[2:56:44] authorizes a local municipality to
[2:56:46] change the composition of its Council
[2:56:48] and whereas a consultant could provide
[2:56:50] unbiased options for changes to the
[2:56:52] council composition and whereas a
[2:56:54] consultant could provide options that
[2:56:55] ensure legal principles are being
[2:56:57] followed
[2:57:02] and where is a consultant can host
[2:57:04] Community conversations including public
[2:57:06] open houses and workshops and now
[2:57:09] therefore be it resolve that Council
[2:57:11] including the 2025 budget
[2:57:14] deliberations 12,000 for hiring
[2:57:16] consultant to review and provide
[2:57:18] recommendations specifically on the
[2:57:20] number of members which would comprise
[2:57:22] the Council of the corporation of the
[2:57:24] municipality of ke carten following the
[2:57:26] 2026 election moved by mayor Ken Craig
[2:57:30] and seconded by councelor kavanau any
[2:57:38] discussion mayor
[2:57:41] Craig uh through you deputy mayor uh
[2:57:44] there are three main reasons for uh this
[2:57:46] motion with the ultimate intention of
[2:57:48] reducing the number of counselors
[2:57:50] elected in the 2026 election and Beyond
[2:57:54] uh the first is uh government
[2:57:56] efficiency
[2:57:58] um it's it's just a empirical sort of
[2:58:01] thing that seven counselors reduces
[2:58:04] staff time communicating with Council
[2:58:06] resourcing councel information packages
[2:58:09] preparations all those sorts of things
[2:58:12] uh the intent of this motion second
[2:58:14] reason maintains the ward system uh but
[2:58:18] still provides broad representation uh
[2:58:20] throughout the municipality and the
[2:58:22] third reason that uh I'd like to
[2:58:24] highlight is the fiscal responsibility
[2:58:27] our budget includes plus minus $40,000
[2:58:31] per counselor per
[2:58:32] year uh uh you
[2:58:36] would drop at least two your $80,000
[2:58:40] reduction uh depending on what the
[2:58:42] recommendation comes back from the uh
[2:58:46] consultant uh you return on investment
[2:58:48] is three months two months uh you don't
[2:58:51] get it till the next year but uh it's an
[2:58:53] ongoing saving so that is those are the
[2:58:56] three main reasons why I would suggest
[2:58:58] uh this is a good efficiency move for
[2:59:01] our
[2:59:04] municipality any other questions or
[2:59:06] comments uh councelor Stuart thank you
[2:59:09] and through your Deputy Mayor um so
[2:59:12] basically the ward system would have to
[2:59:14] maintain because you wanted to change
[2:59:16] the ward system that's a huge procedure
[2:59:18] and that's got to go to the government
[2:59:20] and I believe the last one had to go to
[2:59:23] the uh um I think I forgot where it went
[2:59:27] to but it had the government approved it
[2:59:29] so I think the tribunal approved it too
[2:59:31] so we had to do that so what you're
[2:59:33] looking at is maybe reducing by two and
[2:59:37] that would be basically
[2:59:39] reducing at large so you'd only have
[2:59:43] basically one at
[2:59:45] large and then we would have the deputy
[2:59:47] mayor position position and the mayor
[2:59:50] position that's
[2:59:53] interesting okay I just wanted to know I
[2:59:56] just wanted to know because that's what
[2:59:57] you're really hiring a consultant and
[2:59:59] does the consultant really need to be
[3:00:00] hired if we or is the consultant really
[3:00:03] here to discuss it with the public is
[3:00:06] that the problem that we need the public
[3:00:07] input or do we do it
[3:00:12] ourselves mayor
[3:00:14] Craig uh we have we have options without
[3:00:17] councelor steart our CAO has informed us
[3:00:19] that this decision strictly limited to
[3:00:22] reducing the numbers is a decision that
[3:00:24] we can make we don't we don't need to
[3:00:26] hire a consultant if there is concern by
[3:00:28] councel uh just as we did with other
[3:00:31] Consultants to provide a you know a an
[3:00:34] unbiased opinion of how this is going to
[3:00:36] turn out you hire the consultant to
[3:00:38] provide the
[3:00:39] recommendation and and we either agree
[3:00:42] or disagree with them and and then pick
[3:00:44] a number anyway so but it is like
[3:00:46] maintain the boards like there's no
[3:00:48] change in that it's just Council
[3:00:51] composition Council
[3:00:53] hburg thank you through temporary chair
[3:00:56] um a couple questions uh funding source
[3:00:59] I'm assuming you're thinking contingency
[3:01:00] reserve and not adding this to the
[3:01:02] operating budget that's one question
[3:01:04] even though it's $2,000 no operating
[3:01:11] budget okay um I'm I'm uh interested in
[3:01:14] this but I think I need to St publicly
[3:01:16] I'm not interested in seeing a future
[3:01:18] that doesn't have a ward system as we
[3:01:20] the way it is right now and then the
[3:01:21] question as we spent a lot of time
[3:01:23] earlier tonight listening and talking
[3:01:25] about future growth so if we're going to
[3:01:27] be if you do this in two terms you find
[3:01:30] yourself thinking gez nine would have
[3:01:31] been a better
[3:01:33] uh did
[3:01:35] I oh the extend the I can
[3:01:39] pause oh sorry oh and then it'll be all
[3:01:43] right um just wanted to say so it was
[3:01:46] clear that a c decision could reduce the
[3:01:49] numbers without any consultation
[3:01:50] required can an increase also be done
[3:01:53] simply by a council decision okay fair
[3:01:55] enough
[3:01:57] thanks motion to extend councelor
[3:02:01] CNO uh till end of
[3:02:07] business is there a second on that
[3:02:10] counselor black
[3:02:16] hole can we take it we take a a vote on
[3:02:20] councilor Kavanaugh's motion to extend
[3:02:22] till the end of Business seconded by
[3:02:24] councelor
[3:02:28] Blackwell vote it's a
[3:02:32] vote that
[3:02:36] passes uh sorry councelor Andre we
[3:02:39] finished your your your comments yeah
[3:02:41] councelor
[3:02:41] calov uh thank you very much and through
[3:02:44] the chair um this is something where it
[3:02:48] it it is a sensitive project to a lot of
[3:02:50] people that maybe isn't even on their
[3:02:52] radar until you bring it up with them uh
[3:02:54] looking around and I I see where we're
[3:02:57] at our discussion with our budget and
[3:02:58] setting a preliminary number here I I
[3:03:00] have no doubt in my mind if we are going
[3:03:02] to be asking to make Cuts or take things
[3:03:05] away from people within this
[3:03:06] municipality and an effort to lower the
[3:03:08] the tax rate uh we should start by
[3:03:11] looking at ourselves and and looking at
[3:03:13] the top most level and working downwards
[3:03:16] before you can't ask
[3:03:19] I feel bad asking lower lower um in the
[3:03:23] hierarchy to suddenly make do with less
[3:03:26] or become more efficient without first
[3:03:28] looking at Council and seeing if we can
[3:03:30] optimize and be as efficient as we are
[3:03:32] uh to that end I believe seven can
[3:03:34] accomplish the same task as nine the
[3:03:36] ward representation remains here and uh
[3:03:39] to to your line of thinking councelor
[3:03:41] Stewart uh I would suggest that we could
[3:03:43] even forgo the consultant if you uh
[3:03:46] aren't a fan of Consultants and simply
[3:03:48] resolve the issue with a vote
[3:03:52] tonight councelor sign up cray thank you
[3:03:56] through you chair um I'm going to Echo
[3:03:58] what councelor hinchberger said um and
[3:04:00] that is I would not be willing to
[3:04:02] entertain changes to the W system I I
[3:04:05] think it's important especially for
[3:04:08] Wards two and three that there is that
[3:04:10] voice that doesn't get drowned out um
[3:04:13] but one of the things I'd be really
[3:04:14] concerned about with reducing the ward
[3:04:16] system is I think there's a very unique
[3:04:19] check or not word system pardon me the
[3:04:21] number of counselors is that we all
[3:04:22] bring a different perspective especially
[3:04:25] based on where we were and the campaigns
[3:04:28] and I I honestly can't imagine where we
[3:04:31] would have been this year without some
[3:04:32] of the voices that we had around the
[3:04:33] table I also think that we're
[3:04:36] exaggerating some of the costs um when
[3:04:38] you look at I think you're including
[3:04:40] some of the travel costs but I think
[3:04:42] it's really important that people are
[3:04:43] willing to volunteer their time to go to
[3:04:45] Roma and go to Amo and go to some of
[3:04:47] those events where we Lobby hard for
[3:04:49] this municipality and a lot of hours in
[3:04:52] time and prep go into that that I would
[3:04:54] say is
[3:04:55] voluntary um and when you think about
[3:04:57] all the Committees that we need to serve
[3:05:00] and all the changes that are coming at
[3:05:01] us and the ad hoc commission like
[3:05:03] committees that are coming like people
[3:05:06] are already feeling stretched with what
[3:05:07] they're doing um look at the discussion
[3:05:09] we had about picking up the Committees
[3:05:12] um that our former counselor Doug
[3:05:15] Kennedy was covering people were
[3:05:18] until we get an incumbent I'll do this
[3:05:20] it wasn't I'll do this retroactively
[3:05:23] till the end so I just think we have to
[3:05:24] be very careful about what we're
[3:05:26] considering because unfortunately for us
[3:05:29] we are in a position where we have
[3:05:30] underfunded some of our infrastructure
[3:05:32] we are in a position where we have
[3:05:34] dramatic growth happening in our
[3:05:36] community and we need to make sure that
[3:05:38] we're dealing with it responsibly so I
[3:05:40] I'm just going to be very clear this is
[3:05:42] something I'm not confident is a great
[3:05:44] idea um I'm willing to consider it if
[3:05:47] that's what the will of the group is but
[3:05:50] it's not something I'm really
[3:05:51] comfortable with I think it would be a
[3:05:54] disservice counselor prer thank you
[3:05:57] through your chair um I tend to just
[3:06:00] stay quiet when people have already
[3:06:02] voiced the same thing that I think but
[3:06:04] I'm GNA start trying to speak up a
[3:06:06] little bit more um so I to do not um
[3:06:11] support changing the ward system so I'm
[3:06:13] glad that's not part of this uh proposal
[3:06:16] um
[3:06:18] I I will admit that this is actually one
[3:06:20] of the first things I considered when I
[3:06:22] joined Council because part of my um a
[3:06:27] big part of why joined Council was to
[3:06:29] look for ways to make improvements and
[3:06:31] find efficiencies and this is exactly
[3:06:34] what I thought of and then as more time
[3:06:37] went on I saw how different everyone's
[3:06:40] opinion is here and how we all represent
[3:06:42] a different part of the community um and
[3:06:46] we all have different uh experiences and
[3:06:50] skill sets that contribute dramatically
[3:06:53] to our decision-making and I totally
[3:06:56] changed uh my perspective on it I
[3:06:58] actually decided that I I thought we
[3:07:01] would be worse off if we removed anyone
[3:07:03] from our Council that's here um and
[3:07:07] considering something councelor
[3:07:08] steinhoff gry just said it all the
[3:07:10] Committees that we have um we are all
[3:07:14] stretched thin like she said on all of
[3:07:16] us are on a few of those each and trying
[3:07:18] to spread those out amongst uh fewer
[3:07:21] counselors would probably be difficult
[3:07:24] um so and with the growth that's that's
[3:07:27] uh supposedly coming to our community uh
[3:07:29] we're going to have to represent even
[3:07:31] more people so I am I've actually done a
[3:07:35] 180 and I I'm not in support of reducing
[3:07:38] the number of counselors at this time
[3:07:51] Council pra thank you and one thing I
[3:07:53] forgot to say there was if if we are
[3:07:55] going to move forward with the whole
[3:07:57] process I am not in support of having a
[3:07:59] um a consultant thank
[3:08:03] you if there's no further discussion I'm
[3:08:07] happy to read the motion
[3:08:10] again can you if I can just
[3:08:19] that' be great
[3:08:21] thanks so it was moved by uh mayor Craig
[3:08:24] seconded by councelor kavanau whereas
[3:08:26] section 2171 of the municipal act 2001
[3:08:29] authorizes a local municipality to
[3:08:30] change the composition of its Council
[3:08:32] and whereas a consultant could provide
[3:08:34] unbiased options for changes to council
[3:08:36] composition and whereas a consultant
[3:08:38] could provide options to to ensure legal
[3:08:41] principles are followed and whereas a
[3:08:44] consultant could host Community
[3:08:45] conversations including public open hous
[3:08:47] and workshops now therefore be it
[3:08:49] resolved that Council include in the
[3:08:50] 2025 budget deliberations $122,000 for
[3:08:54] hiring a consultant to review and
[3:08:55] provide recommendations specifically on
[3:08:57] the number of members which would
[3:08:59] comprise the Council of the corporation
[3:09:00] of the municipality of concard following
[3:09:03] the 20126
[3:09:04] election all those in
[3:09:09] favor all those against I failed I'm
[3:09:13] against
[3:09:20] thank you Deputy
[3:09:22] Mayor okay moving on we have a uh motion
[3:09:26] regarding the Whitney Crawford Community
[3:09:28] Center uh moved by Amanda Stein off gray
[3:09:31] seconded by Mike hinchberger whereas the
[3:09:33] Council of the municipality of concard
[3:09:34] undertook a community process for the
[3:09:36] development of the Parks and Recreation
[3:09:38] plan in 2023 whereas the plan identified
[3:09:41] a net increase of 1,400 new residents by
[3:09:44] 2031 which is an estimated growth of
[3:09:47] .7% with increasing population and
[3:09:50] younger citizens whereas the community
[3:09:52] has expressed interest in a redesign and
[3:09:55] Redevelopment of the Whitney Crawford
[3:09:56] Community Center and Council support was
[3:09:59] demonstrated through the procurement of
[3:10:00] engineered drawings and building plans
[3:10:02] in the previous term of council whereas
[3:10:04] this is a shovel ready project that
[3:10:06] would replace two facilities within the
[3:10:08] community of tton including the existing
[3:10:10] community center and library whereas the
[3:10:13] existing community center and library
[3:10:15] facilities in the community of tiberon
[3:10:17] have several components which have
[3:10:18] reached the end of their useful life
[3:10:20] based on the municipality of conard's
[3:10:22] asset management plan whereas the cost
[3:10:25] of a Redevelopment of a new community
[3:10:26] center in tton was estimated at $7
[3:10:28] million in 2022 and is understood the
[3:10:31] project estimates will exceed this
[3:10:33] amount for 2025
[3:10:36] 2027 and whereas the availability of
[3:10:39] senior Government funding was a
[3:10:40] consideration for pursuit of a new
[3:10:42] facility and whereas the provincial
[3:10:44] grant for Community Sport and Recreation
[3:10:46] infrastructure fund is currently
[3:10:47] available and requires demonstratable
[3:10:50] support for an eligible project with all
[3:10:52] expenses being curred no later than
[3:10:54] March 31st
[3:10:55] 20127 now therefore be it resolved the
[3:10:58] council direct staff to submit the most
[3:11:00] current plans designed by NA engineering
[3:11:03] for the Redevelopment of a community
[3:11:04] center in
[3:11:05] tton and develop a business case for the
[3:11:08] project which includes a new library and
[3:11:10] a new Community Hall to Ontario's stream
[3:11:13] two of the community Sport and
[3:11:15] Recreation infrastructure fund prior to
[3:11:17] the deadline of October 29
[3:11:19] 2024 and the council confirmed that if
[3:11:22] successful in receiving provincial
[3:11:24] funding to support the Redevelopment of
[3:11:25] a new community center in titon that the
[3:11:28] project will take priority over other
[3:11:30] facilities and Recreation capital
[3:11:32] projects in order to support project
[3:11:34] completion by March
[3:11:36] 2027 and that the municipal portion of
[3:11:39] the cost be funded through debt with
[3:11:41] financing through the community benefit
[3:11:43] fund or as per a financing
[3:11:45] recommendation from staff
[3:11:47] and that once the project is completed
[3:11:49] the municipality will divest itself of
[3:11:52] other similar Municipal assets and it
[3:11:54] was moved by uh councelor stof gray and
[3:11:58] councelor hinchberger councelor Stein
[3:11:59] off gray please thank you through you
[3:12:02] chair and before I go through my
[3:12:03] arguments I actually want to take this
[3:12:05] time to really thank the staff and our
[3:12:07] cioo um for all their help as we went
[3:12:10] through this process looked at the
[3:12:12] grants confirmed through the grant
[3:12:15] organization U what we could and
[3:12:16] couldn't apply for um I really do
[3:12:19] appreciate all of the help that was
[3:12:20] provided so I really want to start by
[3:12:23] thanking staff for their cooperation and
[3:12:25] my fellow counselors um including
[3:12:27] counselor hinchberger who has been um an
[3:12:30] unbelievable asset in researching this
[3:12:33] um as well as everyone else around the
[3:12:35] table um I know Beth has had many side
[3:12:37] conversations and Andrea with me over
[3:12:39] this one I'm basically naming everyone
[3:12:41] at the table so I'll stop now um but I
[3:12:44] just U there's been a true engagement in
[3:12:47] this and I really do appreciate it um
[3:12:50] there's a number of reasons why I think
[3:12:51] we really need to move forward with this
[3:12:53] application um that being obviously the
[3:12:56] age of the building and the lack of
[3:12:57] Maintenance that we have performed um
[3:13:00] there's a lot of deficiencies even with
[3:13:01] our library it's an aging building um
[3:13:04] and in the spirit of Recon like
[3:13:06] reconciling different objects so that we
[3:13:09] can actually make a go of
[3:13:12] um I'm going to say plans that make
[3:13:15] sense so um we've been very um knee-jerk
[3:13:18] in a lot of our actions this has been a
[3:13:21] a need in the community for quite a
[3:13:22] while we're approving a lot of new
[3:13:24] development in the municipality of Tian
[3:13:27] you talked about um the park at the edge
[3:13:30] of ton councelor Stewart and the number
[3:13:33] of affordable houses that could come out
[3:13:35] of that for folks we have developments
[3:13:37] going on through Fast Track and
[3:13:39] different things that we've approved as
[3:13:40] a council we know that that population
[3:13:42] is going to increase and we know that
[3:13:44] we're going to need to deal with these
[3:13:45] things um and our library really does
[3:13:48] need some significant work I know that
[3:13:50] we helped put a ramp up but in my humble
[3:13:53] opinion it's very hard to get around the
[3:13:54] aisles in that Library so to me there's
[3:13:57] some some needs from an accessibility
[3:14:00] perspective um one of the other things I
[3:14:02] I really want to take a moment to talk
[3:14:04] about was the amount of effort and time
[3:14:06] that's gone into this so for me it's
[3:14:08] important that we acknowledge what the
[3:14:11] council previous to us did in trying to
[3:14:13] prepare um the path for this work so I
[3:14:16] know that there was a committee previous
[3:14:18] with um Ron amanto Joe cotol Randy ruple
[3:14:22] Karen kefir and Jim mctier and as part
[3:14:25] of that they actually visited six
[3:14:27] different community centers that had
[3:14:28] been erected um including rad Haagen if
[3:14:32] I'm saying that wrong I apologize to
[3:14:34] that Community thank you um newstead
[3:14:38] godri miltton Cargill and Belmore and as
[3:14:41] part of that they toured the locations
[3:14:43] but they also talked to the municipal
[3:14:45] staff and they asked them through the
[3:14:47] inner workings of a community center
[3:14:49] what were the things you would have done
[3:14:50] differently with your new builds and
[3:14:52] what I didn't know at the time was all
[3:14:54] of those data points that were given to
[3:14:56] them were put into these plans so given
[3:14:59] that this this stream requires a shovel
[3:15:01] ready project and I don't believe that
[3:15:03] we have another shovel ready project I
[3:15:05] really think it's worthwhile for the
[3:15:06] community that we put them forward um
[3:15:09] and really acknowledge the work that
[3:15:10] went into this because it sounds like
[3:15:12] they did put significant Research into
[3:15:14] it so um with that I'm going to turn it
[3:15:17] over for others for comment but I do
[3:15:19] think this is an important part of the
[3:15:21] community for those of us who are at the
[3:15:23] T and Fall Fair um you saw how crowded
[3:15:26] people were in to listen to the music
[3:15:28] unfortunately I usually miss it because
[3:15:30] I'm at the horse show but I I it's a
[3:15:33] community that rallies and it's a
[3:15:35] community that's together I think all of
[3:15:37] us got into the spirit with the auction
[3:15:39] um of the pies I know I came home with a
[3:15:42] few expensive apple pies and such but um
[3:15:46] I guess the point trying to make is I
[3:15:47] think our community needs it and I think
[3:15:50] that as we continue to grow a lot of the
[3:15:52] growth is going to happen in the titon
[3:15:54] area and so why not posture ourselves
[3:15:57] for the
[3:16:00] future hinchberger please thank you to
[3:16:03] you chair um some of my thoughts in this
[3:16:06] process uh were um one of the draft
[3:16:09] goals of the Strategic plan which was
[3:16:11] informed by Community engagement was uh
[3:16:14] pursue that we're working with pursue
[3:16:16] small smart growth maintaining our small
[3:16:18] town row character and providing
[3:16:20] opportunities to live and work in the
[3:16:21] municipality of Karden uh we had some
[3:16:24] com uh presentations earlier tonight and
[3:16:26] I think there was a number of us that
[3:16:27] question whether population projections
[3:16:29] as they currently exist are accurate in
[3:16:32] fact that they are markedly low for
[3:16:36] example while there's no guarantee that
[3:16:37] La landscape is the best it has ever
[3:16:39] been from my perspective for a new
[3:16:41] nuclear build on the Bruce site and
[3:16:42] everything that comes with it
[3:16:44] development opportunities in this area
[3:16:46] surrounding us like godri walkeron and
[3:16:48] Port Elgen they're slowly being consumed
[3:16:51] there's been a lot of frustration at
[3:16:52] things not coming to conarton and I
[3:16:54] think if you follow the way that the the
[3:16:57] development of this part of the province
[3:16:58] occurred in the 1850s and Beyond we were
[3:17:01] kind of last of the party then as they
[3:17:03] came up from guard Rich up through
[3:17:05] walkeron or down through ow and sound I
[3:17:06] think the same thing is going to happen
[3:17:08] again in the next while we're going to
[3:17:10] have growth if we don't manage the
[3:17:12] growth properly we're going to end up
[3:17:13] with a small City it'll be Concan a
[3:17:15] village and a number of hamlets and
[3:17:17] we'll lose that small town rural
[3:17:19] character that's outlined in the goals
[3:17:21] so part of the to do this in some ways
[3:17:23] is to protect the small town rural
[3:17:26] character of the town of concard by
[3:17:28] spreading some of the growth uh uh
[3:17:30] elsewhere um the town of concard it's
[3:17:33] constrained geographically on the west
[3:17:35] by the lake politically to the South by
[3:17:36] uron kinloss and somewhat commercially
[3:17:39] to the east of Highway 21 by some
[3:17:41] previous decisions that have been made
[3:17:43] Idan on the other hand has some
[3:17:45] flexibility it's also a primary urban
[3:17:47] community although you know as far as
[3:17:49] land use designation but it's not
[3:17:51] something that people usually talk about
[3:17:52] there is an environmental assessment
[3:17:54] that's in progress on options to address
[3:17:56] drinking water needs which are one of
[3:17:58] the issues and there is a Wastewater
[3:18:00] Plant down the hill on concession to so
[3:18:02] in some ways it's kind of positioned uh
[3:18:06] for growth one of the takeaways for me
[3:18:09] from the parks and recre study at high
[3:18:11] level was you know a recommendation to
[3:18:13] take care of what we have before we
[3:18:15] build new but this project might look to
[3:18:17] some people like a deviation from the
[3:18:19] recommendation yet I see it as building
[3:18:21] replacement as opposed to building that
[3:18:24] uh lastly I'll say is that the total
[3:18:27] annual operating deficit of the
[3:18:29] facilities that could be divested I
[3:18:31] following I repeat following completion
[3:18:34] of this project is currently
[3:18:36] $160,000 in 2024 I think this project
[3:18:40] provides an opportunity to address this
[3:18:42] as tow improve the usage of the adjacent
[3:18:46] TI and Sport Center which will it would
[3:18:48] complement naturally just by its
[3:18:53] location other comments questions
[3:18:56] councelor Blackwell
[3:18:58] please uh thank you through you um I
[3:19:01] appreciate all the work that's been put
[3:19:03] into this um I have two well maybe one
[3:19:06] question and then um some statements my
[3:19:09] first question is um in the research
[3:19:12] being done for this uh Recreation fund
[3:19:16] is there a capacity um and ability to
[3:19:19] apply to both the new build and the
[3:19:23] repair revitalization
[3:19:28] Stream CEO please sure through you mayor
[3:19:32] um the we are eligible to um apply to
[3:19:37] both streams uh your question with
[3:19:39] respect to capacity
[3:19:42] um that may be a bit more
[3:19:45] nuanced so I I'm not sure I I have the
[3:19:48] answer to share because a lot would
[3:19:51] depend on um the project uh that would
[3:19:56] be for a renovation
[3:19:58] type of a for that particular Stream So
[3:20:01] if it was a significant renovation to an
[3:20:04] existing facility that we were ready to
[3:20:07] go with um I think you'd be challenged
[3:20:10] with our internal capacity to take on
[3:20:13] both projects if we were to be
[3:20:14] successful in it and and actually be
[3:20:16] able to meet the deadlines um with the
[3:20:19] Grant and or even be able to put out
[3:20:22] rfps to get drawings to then undertake
[3:20:26] construction Etc so I think it would
[3:20:28] really depend on what the second
[3:20:31] potential project
[3:20:36] was follow up um no maybe I'll I'll
[3:20:40] touch base a little bit later about
[3:20:42] whether there's any potential projects
[3:20:44] coming forward for us to discuss about
[3:20:46] the other stram but um one of the things
[3:20:49] I I'll say is that um I'm a fairly
[3:20:52] strong advocate for um what I would
[3:20:54] consider to be complete communities for
[3:20:56] walkable communities for communities
[3:20:58] that feel like they have an identity um
[3:21:01] Gathering space communal um
[3:21:04] opportunities and so um you know having
[3:21:07] read the parks and recck master plan the
[3:21:09] other day and and seeing the
[3:21:10] recommendation there to not build new um
[3:21:15] until we make some other decisions I
[3:21:16] think it is important to recognize that
[3:21:18] if there if this project does go ahead
[3:21:19] it does impact a lot of other decisions
[3:21:21] but I also think um there's opportunity
[3:21:24] to support it for the betterment of the
[3:21:27] community and also to potentially look
[3:21:29] at our longer term Asset Management plan
[3:21:31] about opportunities to divest from other
[3:21:33] assets um and really focus our attention
[3:21:36] on potentially our most used
[3:21:39] or um largest population centers and
[3:21:42] really enhance what they can
[3:21:45] do councelor Stewart please thank you um
[3:21:49] I was actually part of the committee
[3:21:50] that did this last year so it's okay
[3:21:52] don't worry um just wanted to talk to
[3:21:55] you about this this motion is good it's
[3:21:58] too long I mean one of the problems is I
[3:22:00] can't get around this last you like
[3:22:03] we're going to go for funding the one
[3:22:05] thing about going for funding on the
[3:22:07] stream two is because we're less than
[3:22:10] 20,000 we can go up to
[3:22:12] 70% so the biggest thing I'm sort of
[3:22:15] looking at is na engineering please give
[3:22:18] us the most current cost estimate ASAP
[3:22:22] because if it's 10,000 then we can go up
[3:22:24] to 7 million you know if we put in
[3:22:27] something like this because I I'm
[3:22:29] surprised that we did it in 22 I thought
[3:22:31] it was like 20 but anyways 7 million
[3:22:35] only gives us x amount like five million
[3:22:38] so I don't know if we have time but na
[3:22:41] engineering has all the diagrams and
[3:22:43] everything so let's do that because I
[3:22:45] look at this way it's the only shovel
[3:22:47] ready project we have why look to gift
[3:22:49] horse in the M throw it in there and see
[3:22:52] what happens the funding on the other
[3:22:54] side let's wait until we see what
[3:22:55] happens whether we divest a lot of
[3:22:58] minicipal assets let's wait and see what
[3:23:00] happens but let's put our best position
[3:23:03] forward to try to get the maximum
[3:23:05] funding we can get for this project and
[3:23:08] then we might have a problem because we
[3:23:09] have all this money thank
[3:23:13] you councelor hinchberger please thank
[3:23:16] you I neglected to add this is most of
[3:23:18] us know this around the table but for
[3:23:20] those who might be listening or watching
[3:23:22] this is a bit of a a stretch and a reach
[3:23:24] because the the fund is to repair
[3:23:26] upgrade or build Sport and Recreation
[3:23:29] facilities and the community center
[3:23:31] isn't you know as front and center in
[3:23:33] terms of one of those is like a new
[3:23:34] Arena or a ballpark so we have to
[3:23:37] realize that funding wise just ballpark
[3:23:39] I you know was 7 million in 2022 if you
[3:23:42] look at the change in the construction
[3:23:44] price index over the co last couple of
[3:23:46] years we might be looking I wouldn't be
[3:23:48] surprised by
[3:23:50] nine yeah so that's my last
[3:23:55] comment Brer Stewart please to fill in
[3:23:59] yeah
[3:24:00] unfortunately the funding in this one
[3:24:02] particular stream too is 200 million so
[3:24:05] it's going to go fast and you know
[3:24:07] they'll probably bring more funding in
[3:24:09] down the road but we got to get the
[3:24:11] project in we got to see how lucky we
[3:24:12] are and roll the dice and uh I I can
[3:24:15] support that
[3:24:20] thanks uh councelor Blackwell please uh
[3:24:24] sorry I thank you just on that note um
[3:24:26] when I asked earlier about the capacity
[3:24:27] for the two projects one of the the
[3:24:29] questions there was also about capacity
[3:24:31] of writing two potential grants um do we
[3:24:33] have a potential project lined up for
[3:24:35] the other stream which we may be more
[3:24:37] successful within because it would it's
[3:24:39] a much smaller amount that we'd be
[3:24:41] asking for um comparison to this project
[3:24:46] uh so so I I hear what you're saying but
[3:24:49] it it's it's not it's not this motion
[3:24:52] think I um I guess it's more related if
[3:24:55] you can connect it to this motion that's
[3:24:56] okay but just so I guess capacity for
[3:24:59] another grant writing that's not this
[3:25:02] motion at all part of my question is if
[3:25:04] we know that this application is
[3:25:06] potentially a reach would my question is
[3:25:09] to make sure that we also have the
[3:25:10] capacity to apply for the other fund at
[3:25:13] the same time because I would be
[3:25:15] concerned that if we're not if we know
[3:25:17] that this one's a bit of a Hail Mary um
[3:25:20] and we go for it but we potentially miss
[3:25:22] out on a more reasonable more likely
[3:25:25] project that we would be approved for
[3:25:27] that said I still am in support of it um
[3:25:29] I'm just that was just my question was
[3:25:31] about I don't want to miss out on
[3:25:32] something else um as
[3:25:36] well CAO please y through you um stuff
[3:25:41] certainly have been engaged in community
[3:25:43] services and following and understanding
[3:25:46] um what potential projects within the
[3:25:49] stream that you're speaking about um are
[3:25:52] available we I think part of the
[3:25:54] challenge that we find ourselves in is
[3:25:57] um we have gone through uh Recreation
[3:26:00] and Parks plan exercise and part of the
[3:26:04] findings of that is you need to spend
[3:26:06] more specific time and energy focused on
[3:26:08] your two existing larger Sports
[3:26:12] Recreation complexes to figure out
[3:26:14] exactly what you want to do because
[3:26:16] there's some significant decisions that
[3:26:18] need to be made given how um challenged
[3:26:22] those um two sites are for the
[3:26:26] existing like the existing
[3:26:29] infrastructure which makes up components
[3:26:31] of both of those buildings um so we do
[3:26:35] expect to have a staff report or that
[3:26:37] was that has been the plan is to have a
[3:26:39] staff Report with respect to
[3:26:42] um I can say will be titon uh Sports
[3:26:46] Arena um we're just not in a spot to be
[3:26:51] able to say this is exactly the plan
[3:26:54] that Council has already authorized
[3:26:56] following that Recreation plan that was
[3:26:59] just developed um so it's just not
[3:27:03] perfect timing for us in terms of what
[3:27:05] it is that the uh our planning process
[3:27:08] aligns with the funding opportunity I
[3:27:10] would hope that there might be um funds
[3:27:13] available from senior government in the
[3:27:15] future we are across the province seeing
[3:27:18] um Recreation facilities that are coming
[3:27:21] to the end of their useful life because
[3:27:23] many of them were built 50 years ago
[3:27:26] yeah when Tero funds and other funds
[3:27:29] that were available um so it's certainly
[3:27:31] a need in the community and our um your
[3:27:34] best effort is to try to get plants in
[3:27:38] place so that you are ready to move on
[3:27:40] those when when they do become available
[3:27:42] and I think I appreciate staff and I
[3:27:44] appreciate council's and the community's
[3:27:47] input to getting us part of the way
[3:27:49] there which is not all of the way there
[3:27:51] so it's a bit of um I would expect the
[3:27:54] report is going to speak to some of the
[3:27:56] pieces we expect to fail in the not too
[3:27:58] distant future and just here's the
[3:28:02] here's the potential ask for some
[3:28:05] renovation to that facility to try to
[3:28:07] make improvements to keep it
[3:28:11] open ccor Stewart please thank you and
[3:28:15] just to mention you know you got stream
[3:28:16] two which are big projects stream one's
[3:28:19] like 150 to a million dollars they're
[3:28:22] little projects and I believe that
[3:28:24] without giving something away I think
[3:28:25] our staff has a project that they were
[3:28:28] thinking of submitting under stream one
[3:28:31] so you know those are very small
[3:28:33] projects um I understand where the CEO
[3:28:36] is coming from because we have three
[3:28:38] major buildings one of them could be
[3:28:40] this uh Community Center the other one's
[3:28:43] the sport complex and the other one is
[3:28:46] Davidson Center and you know looking at
[3:28:48] these projects big thoughts but let's
[3:28:50] get back into this one because we have
[3:28:52] to prove this one tonight one way or the
[3:28:54] other
[3:28:55] thanks so I'm uh broadly speaking I to
[3:28:59] am like it's a wasted opportunity if we
[3:29:02] don't apply for for provincial money um
[3:29:07] I think unless I'm mistaken that the
[3:29:11] timelines to put the this whole thing
[3:29:15] together and be done by March 2027 would
[3:29:17] be uh a tight timeline would would that
[3:29:21] accurate okay just we and what happens
[3:29:24] to the funding if we're not done in time
[3:29:27] not that I don't think we shouldn't
[3:29:28] apply that's not what I'm saying but
[3:29:30] there's there's unintended consequences
[3:29:33] do we lose the funding if we're not done
[3:29:34] in time or a p or a portion of it do we
[3:29:38] know what the stipulations are yes go
[3:29:41] ahead well so if we were receive the
[3:29:44] funding generally funding application
[3:29:46] generally the agreements come through
[3:29:48] and it spells out what the requirements
[3:29:50] are there may be opportunities for
[3:29:53] exceptions but it isn't going to be an
[3:29:55] exception that's allowed because we
[3:29:57] weren't ready to do the project it would
[3:29:59] have to be based on something that
[3:30:01] happens in the process of us moving the
[3:30:04] project forward so yes it would be tight
[3:30:08] timelines um there are drawings
[3:30:11] available so I would imagine it would be
[3:30:14] issuing a procurement document where you
[3:30:16] are look if you were successful you are
[3:30:19] immediately taking action to issue a
[3:30:22] procurement document that is looking for
[3:30:24] um a respondent to build and project
[3:30:27] manage but again I would point to and I
[3:30:30] appreciate this being included in the
[3:30:31] motion it is going to need to take
[3:30:34] precedent um over other uh Recreation
[3:30:38] capital projects because it will require
[3:30:40] even our resources to ensure we are on
[3:30:44] top of it um in order to deal with even
[3:30:48] a project manager so that's that's why
[3:30:51] it I I do appreciate that that's in the
[3:30:54] motion um the yeah just a minute um the
[3:30:59] requirements for County libraries for
[3:31:02] small towns is 2500 square feet which is
[3:31:06] two and a half times bigger than the one
[3:31:08] that's there just just for guidelines
[3:31:10] that's what the director of libraries
[3:31:14] said in her conversation the other day
[3:31:16] is like you know that's where we're
[3:31:18] at
[3:31:20] um and and I do appreciate the
[3:31:23] acknowledgement about what what will
[3:31:26] happen like it is an aggressive an
[3:31:28] aggressive approach to divesting
[3:31:30] Municipal assets that can be fulfilled
[3:31:34] by the construction of a new place it is
[3:31:37] it is buildings that are sacred to us
[3:31:41] that we will look at and say no we can't
[3:31:43] do that anymore because we've got our
[3:31:45] money invested in that one and like I
[3:31:47] appreciate your your acknowledgement of
[3:31:50] that so like don't be surprised if you
[3:31:53] hear your Alma Al alma mater being uh
[3:31:57] destroyed of some sort or other okay
[3:32:00] final comment com councelor Stewart yes
[3:32:03] I was sort of fortunate to be on the
[3:32:04] zoom meeting when they actually launched
[3:32:06] this and everything and it was quite
[3:32:08] interesting because when you go in with
[3:32:11] a project they're going to allow
[3:32:13] multiple modifications to the design
[3:32:16] I mean they're very Loosey Goosey about
[3:32:18] it that if you Smit something you're
[3:32:20] getting the grant money and then you can
[3:32:22] modify it accordingly and it really was
[3:32:25] and people were asking questions and
[3:32:27] people going really you could end up
[3:32:29] with a sports arena I don't know but
[3:32:31] what I'm saying is it's not so tight so
[3:32:34] there is a little bit of flexibility on
[3:32:36] this whole thing but it's worth a try so
[3:32:39] I'm not going to read the motion again
[3:32:40] but we do have a motion on the floor
[3:32:42] moved by councelors tan Offrey and
[3:32:44] hinchberger on in favor and that is
[3:32:50] carried no you're
[3:32:54] not we have
[3:32:56] a resolution moved by Beth Blackwell
[3:33:01] counselor Blackwell seconded by count
[3:33:02] the deputy mayor Clark whereas in 2022
[3:33:06] statistics Canon reported that 28% of
[3:33:08] ontarians identify as having a
[3:33:10] disability and whereas residents and
[3:33:12] visitors with disabilities continue to
[3:33:14] regularly face physical attit udal
[3:33:16] environmental and technological barriers
[3:33:17] to prevent them from working shopping
[3:33:20] traveling volunteering or accessing
[3:33:21] Community spaces which negatively
[3:33:23] impacts our community's economic
[3:33:25] opportunities and personal sense of be
[3:33:28] belonging and whereas both the county of
[3:33:30] Bruce and all eight of the lower tier
[3:33:32] municipalities are obligated to and have
[3:33:34] committed to removing barriers and
[3:33:36] working toward ensuring their facilities
[3:33:38] services and amenities are compliant
[3:33:40] with both the uh inario with
[3:33:42] Disabilities Act and accessibility for
[3:33:44] antarians with Disabilities Act and
[3:33:47] whereas improving accessibility and
[3:33:49] implementing breast practice requires
[3:33:51] significant technical knowledge and
[3:33:53] expertise in order to ensure capital and
[3:33:55] operational projects program Services
[3:33:57] site plans bylaws and more are compliant
[3:34:00] or exceed Oda aoda and other related leg
[3:34:04] legislation and whereas lower tier
[3:34:06] municipalities including those with
[3:34:08] highly engaged accessibility advisory
[3:34:10] committees would benefit from a
[3:34:11] collaborative approach that increases
[3:34:13] their ability to access this type of
[3:34:15] knowledge expertise and experience and
[3:34:17] whereas the neighboring counties of
[3:34:19] hurin and gray as well as others such as
[3:34:21] Elgen and middle sex employ
[3:34:22] accessibility coordinators that act as a
[3:34:24] single point of contact for the county
[3:34:26] itself and the lower tier municipalities
[3:34:28] and whereas these accessibility
[3:34:30] coordinators consult on accessibility
[3:34:32] related projects assist with
[3:34:33] implementation of accessibility
[3:34:35] standards providing training communicate
[3:34:37] best practice identify grant
[3:34:39] opportunities and share resources with
[3:34:41] staff committees and the public and
[3:34:43] whereas the county of Bruce has already
[3:34:45] taken positive ly aligned actions by
[3:34:47] setting a goal of becoming a
[3:34:48] barrier-free community multi-year
[3:34:50] accessibility plan achieving a dementia
[3:34:52] friendly designation for Bruce County
[3:34:54] public libraries introducing an
[3:34:55] age-friendly strategy and adopting a
[3:34:57] transportation master plan that
[3:34:59] highlights the importance of
[3:35:00] accessibility now therefore be it
[3:35:02] resolved that the municipality of conard
[3:35:05] requests that the county of Bruce
[3:35:07] introduce an accessibility coordinator
[3:35:09] position to act as a collaborative
[3:35:11] capacity building resource for County
[3:35:13] and lower tier staff except
[3:35:15] accessibility advisory committees in the
[3:35:17] public so that Bruce County can become a
[3:35:19] leader in building accessible welcoming
[3:35:21] communities for residents and visitors
[3:35:23] of all
[3:35:24] abilities all in
[3:35:27] favor
[3:35:35] carried no we can we all we're doing is
[3:35:40] advocating I already done it but there's
[3:35:44] an official motion that the uh County
[3:35:46] staff is aware is
[3:35:48] coming consideration of bylaws we need a
[3:35:50] moover and second that following bylaws
[3:35:52] are hereby read a first second and third
[3:35:54] time finally pass this 9th of
[3:35:57] September October
[3:36:01] October uh amendment to zoning bylaw
[3:36:06] 20325 for 728 North Line bylaw 202
[3:36:11] 24-36 2025 rates and fees by law 2024
[3:36:16] uh
[3:36:16] -137 plans of subdivision and
[3:36:19] development policy bylaw 2024 d138 who
[3:36:23] by counselers hinchberger and Cavanaugh
[3:36:26] all in favor that's carried consent
[3:36:30] agenda items listed under the consent
[3:36:32] agenda are considered routine and are
[3:36:34] passed uh in one motion except for any
[3:36:38] items which are withdrawn for discussion
[3:36:40] either tonight or uh in the following
[3:36:43] meeting um any any uh items to be
[3:36:47] withdrawn councelor Stein off gray
[3:36:50] please um I would like to withdraw if I
[3:36:53] could sorry I'm looking at the numbers
[3:36:56] here under
[3:36:59] 8.1 um a and then B and then a actually
[3:37:05] no a nope Bravo again environmental
[3:37:07] service compliance report for September
[3:37:10] 2024 um one of the things that made
[3:37:13] reference in um that particular report
[3:37:16] was with regards to um a drinking water
[3:37:20] quality risk management assessment and
[3:37:23] it sounded like we have some kind of
[3:37:25] assessment that's happening that happens
[3:37:27] every five years it didn't really give
[3:37:28] me a lot of details and I was wondering
[3:37:30] if it was possible to have that returned
[3:37:32] with the staff report um priority
[3:37:34] ranking based on the risk likelihood and
[3:37:36] the corresponding mitigations by cost so
[3:37:39] that we can give that proper
[3:37:41] consideration it was a oneliner in the
[3:37:44] report but I I'd like understand it
[3:37:47] better uh Mark
[3:37:51] please can we uh
[3:37:54] uh can do do you want an explanation or
[3:37:58] would you like some written sort of
[3:37:59] report what was your expectation I don't
[3:38:01] want to put him on the spot because it
[3:38:03] didn't go into detail in the report I it
[3:38:05] was more of a comeback um if he could
[3:38:08] provide that I think it's important for
[3:38:10] us to understand um so that we can
[3:38:12] properly prioritize and fund those
[3:38:14] mitigations BAS some
[3:38:17] probability could we get some uh written
[3:38:20] feedback on uh that line you might uh
[3:38:23] you might need to confer with counselor
[3:38:25] Stein offra just to make sure you uh
[3:38:28] know what she needs okay is that a can
[3:38:31] we ask that of you please can we ask
[3:38:33] that of you up just he might have a
[3:38:37] comment speak to it right now or do you
[3:38:39] know the answer right
[3:38:41] now so through you mayor Craig we uh the
[3:38:44] drinking water quality management
[3:38:46] standard does uh risk assessment which
[3:38:49] has to basically has to do with um
[3:38:52] ensuring compliance with all drinking
[3:38:55] water assessment threats which would be
[3:38:57] for all drinking water systems um so
[3:39:00] typically they're they're done on
[3:39:02] severity
[3:39:04] vulnerability um and then they're
[3:39:06] assessed a score some of those trigger
[3:39:09] critical control points which then
[3:39:12] trigger us to implement um standard off
[3:39:15] operating procedures or contingency
[3:39:17] plans so we can certainly share all
[3:39:19] those uh documents with the counselor
[3:39:22] and if she has any follow-up questions
[3:39:24] or would like some follow-up data we
[3:39:25] would be glad to put those
[3:39:27] together thank
[3:39:31] you uh councelor hinchberger please
[3:39:34] thank you through you mayor quickly it's
[3:39:36] uh 81 8.1 ba the infrastructure and
[3:39:38] development third quar report it'll be a
[3:39:40] question for the manager of
[3:39:41] Environmental Services does the annual
[3:39:44] inspections of our water and Wastewater
[3:39:46] emergency generators also include auto
[3:39:48] start testing of its capabilities so
[3:39:51] that when we do actually have a power uh
[3:39:54] uh Interruption that these generators
[3:39:56] work can give us seamless transition and
[3:39:58] maintenance of
[3:40:00] process through you mayor Craig so uh
[3:40:03] councelor hinchberger we have annual
[3:40:05] service completed by an outside firm and
[3:40:08] then we do monthly uh generator runs at
[3:40:11] each site those are not Auto we actually
[3:40:15] staff those to ensure that we're
[3:40:18] collecting readings that things will
[3:40:19] transition over properly um so we're
[3:40:22] we're not a big lover of the auto
[3:40:24] startups that are uh common because at
[3:40:27] times you might not have staff there to
[3:40:29] see things so those are those are
[3:40:30] completed every month by the operation
[3:40:34] staff what I meant was maybe a
[3:40:37] translation here is you could have staff
[3:40:39] present on the site basically interrupt
[3:40:41] the normal line voltage and demonstrate
[3:40:43] that the emergency generator will start
[3:40:45] up and pick up the load that's what I'm
[3:40:47] getting at that is absolutely what we do
[3:40:50] councelor hinchberger we disconnect to
[3:40:53] ensure that everything flips over
[3:40:55] properly thank you very
[3:41:00] much so we need a mover and second the
[3:41:03] council approved the recommendations
[3:41:06] contained in the consent agenda dated
[3:41:08] October 9 2024 and direct staff to
[3:41:10] proceed with all necessary
[3:41:11] administrative actions moved by
[3:41:13] councilors Cavanaugh and deputy mayor
[3:41:15] all in favor and that's
[3:41:17] carried
[3:41:19] council member of council General
[3:41:24] announcements Deputy Mayor have anything
[3:41:26] for us
[3:41:27] tonight thank you mayor through you
[3:41:29] October is women's history month so it's
[3:41:31] a time to recognize and celebrate the
[3:41:33] contributions of women and girls
[3:41:36] throughout our society and Happy
[3:41:40] Thanksgiving councelor hinchberger thank
[3:41:43] you to you mayor uh as long as Deputy
[3:41:45] Mayor Clark brought up women's History
[3:41:47] Month I my mother's no longer with us
[3:41:49] anymore but one of probably the biggest
[3:41:50] influence in my life and she had one
[3:41:52] great quote she used to say proudly I
[3:41:54] share no man's opinion for I have one of
[3:41:56] my own and I I never forget that like
[3:41:59] she was a force um just uh councelor
[3:42:03] kavana and I had the pleasure this past
[3:42:06] Saturday of uh planting trees and shrubs
[3:42:10] over 150 were planted I only could get
[3:42:12] five in the ground myself uh at the Alps
[3:42:16] uh Park they're going to continue
[3:42:18] working the spring of 2025 on the food
[3:42:20] Force so uh great turnout and it was
[3:42:23] great
[3:42:25] weather councelor Blackwell
[3:42:31] please uh thank you through you I have a
[3:42:34] couple but I try to be quick so this
[3:42:36] week is um fire prevention week I
[3:42:40] believe and as someone who unfortunately
[3:42:43] has had a property complet Ely burned to
[3:42:45] the ground um but everyone got out
[3:42:48] safely because they were working smoke
[3:42:49] alarms so please ensure that people are
[3:42:52] checking their smoke alarms that they
[3:42:54] have safety plans um and that we can all
[3:42:56] stay safe I know our um firefighters and
[3:42:59] emergency management team are putting
[3:43:01] some great content out on social media
[3:43:03] um also it is the 40th anniversary of
[3:43:06] the women's house um they're hosting
[3:43:08] their Gala on October 19th this year
[3:43:10] alone they served more than um 550 women
[3:43:14] and and over 250 children um in addition
[3:43:18] to over 2,000 crisis calls so there's
[3:43:20] certainly um a service that we still
[3:43:23] unfortunately need but we're grateful to
[3:43:25] have them in our community um last I
[3:43:27] wanted to thank um so many of the
[3:43:29] different members of our community who
[3:43:30] have been out there doing some fall
[3:43:32] cleaning um Andrew Evans the Heron
[3:43:35] Fringe field naturalist canar Lions Club
[3:43:37] prois Club lots and lots of Youth have
[3:43:40] been out cleaning up our beaches and
[3:43:41] local roads getting everything looking
[3:43:43] really nice um and I just want to uh
[3:43:45] share my appreciation for all their hard
[3:43:48] work Conor Stein off gr please thank you
[3:43:53] um through you chair I'm just going to
[3:43:54] bring awareness to shivon which is
[3:43:56] happening in titon October 18th through
[3:43:58] 20th so the Friday through to the Sunday
[3:44:01] there's a family Halloween dance
[3:44:02] happening on the Friday the tour of
[3:44:04] Terrors if you're brave enough to handle
[3:44:06] it uh will be occurring on the Friday
[3:44:09] Saturday and Sunday um so uh hopefully
[3:44:12] you're ready for that and then they also
[3:44:15] have a Halloween vendor Village that's
[3:44:16] happening on the Saturday and Sunday um
[3:44:19] and some other festivities that will all
[3:44:21] be there at the Whitney Crawford
[3:44:22] Community Center so I just recommend
[3:44:25] that everyone come out and I don't see
[3:44:27] it on the advertisement but I'm pretty
[3:44:29] confident I heard that the um food truck
[3:44:33] from the airport cheesy monkey is also
[3:44:36] going to be there so um it it's shaping
[3:44:40] up to be a great day so anyone who can
[3:44:42] make it please do so and Mike we missed
[3:44:44] you you at the uh Horse Show I had to
[3:44:46] move those barrels by myself it was a
[3:44:48] sad
[3:44:50] day thank you councelor pranger please
[3:44:54] thank you um for those of you that
[3:44:57] haven't heard unfortunately the San
[3:44:58] Valley conservation Authority head
[3:45:00] office had a catastrophic lightning
[3:45:02] strike on Sunday um October 6th the
[3:45:05] building is uninhabitable and is
[3:45:08] currently closed um however they are
[3:45:10] working furiously to get everything back
[3:45:13] online servers online
[3:45:15] um some staff are already working
[3:45:17] remotely even though um that was
[3:45:19] difficult to get them equipment and
[3:45:20] whatnot uh there has been a press
[3:45:22] release it has all the information you
[3:45:24] need in place you need to contact
[3:45:25] someone or spec specifically say campers
[3:45:29] need to pay bills or or check out or
[3:45:31] something like that um that those
[3:45:34] superintendents are still available at
[3:45:35] the camp sites um but for people with
[3:45:38] planning uh ongoing planning files you
[3:45:41] can still contact the person responsible
[3:45:43] that for that file they are working from
[3:45:45] home and um servers are coming back
[3:45:47] online uh right now so uh I'll just say
[3:45:51] that no one was hurt no one was in the
[3:45:53] building not even maintenance staff or
[3:45:54] anything were in the building at the
[3:45:55] time however uh they do believe if
[3:45:58] anyone was they would have been severely
[3:46:01] hurt or or killed so we're very lucky
[3:46:03] that it was empty at the time and uh um
[3:46:07] we will have updates coming I guess for
[3:46:09] when everything gets back online
[3:46:13] they so sorry it's not in a natural
[3:46:15] Hazard area it was struck by
[3:46:17] lightning Oh you mean flooding that that
[3:46:20] kind of you're not get flood Mak
[3:46:23] councelor hinchberger is doing
[3:46:26] me okay councelor Stewart please thank
[3:46:30] you uh you took one of my uh things but
[3:46:33] thank you very much for mentioning it it
[3:46:34] blew out the front doors I mean this
[3:46:36] thing was a major thing I mean it it
[3:46:37] just blew out the whole building all
[3:46:39] electrical um another thing is I'd like
[3:46:42] to thank the tan agricultur Society the
[3:46:44] lion and everyone who participated to
[3:46:46] make the tit and Fall Fair a huge
[3:46:48] success and thank for the person
[3:46:50] upstairs who made the weather even nicer
[3:46:52] so that was great Jane I'd like to thank
[3:46:55] you and your staff the fairgrounds never
[3:46:56] looked as good as they did that weekend
[3:46:58] so I know you guys did a lot of work so
[3:47:00] thank you very much and I guess a few of
[3:47:02] us will be going to the Chamber of
[3:47:04] Commerce award to tomorrow night so
[3:47:06] we'll be breaking some bread so maybe
[3:47:08] we'll see you there or not and that's
[3:47:12] it ccor Kavanaugh
[3:47:16] thank you very much and through the
[3:47:16] chair it's hard going towards the end I
[3:47:18] don't know why you do it you should go
[3:47:20] first um I guess the one thing I will
[3:47:22] share is that uh our Council currently
[3:47:24] has a vacancy and uh is accepting
[3:47:26] applications for someone interested in
[3:47:28] joining us um you can submit through the
[3:47:30] clerk's office during regular business
[3:47:32] hours and that is open until October
[3:47:37] 25th so our dropin Center downtown
[3:47:41] concard and the bridge is hosting a uh
[3:47:44] fundraising activity up at Underwood
[3:47:46] Saturday night it is a dinner dance sort
[3:47:49] of thing uh line dancing predominantly
[3:47:52] so if you're good at that bring your
[3:47:54] cowboy hat and your boots and away we go
[3:47:57] and uh we're right in the middle of
[3:47:59] Agriculture week
[3:48:01] so if you have opportunity thank a
[3:48:03] farmer for having a great breakfast
[3:48:06] today okay
[3:48:08] ceao I have no announcements
[3:48:16] all right so we need a mover and
[3:48:20] seconder the council moveing to close
[3:48:21] session pursuant to section 2392 of the
[3:48:24] municipal act as amended for the purpose
[3:48:26] of considering the closed session
[3:48:28] minutes dated September 25
[3:48:30] 2024 trade secret or scientific
[3:48:32] technical commercial Financial or Labor
[3:48:34] Relations information supplied in
[3:48:36] confidence to the municipality or local
[3:48:38] board which if disclosed could
[3:48:40] reasonably be expected to Prejudice
[3:48:41] significantly the competitive position
[3:48:43] or interfere significantly with
[3:48:44] contractual or other negotiations of a
[3:48:46] person group or persons or organizations
[3:48:49] Bruce Powers Municipal social economic
[3:48:52] existing concessions report H personal
[3:48:55] matters about an identifiable individual
[3:48:58] including mpal or local board employee
[3:49:00] candidates for vacancy on accessibility
[3:49:02] advisory committee and fur that the
[3:49:04] council returned to regular open meeting
[3:49:06] upon completion move by counselors
[3:49:08] Blackwell and hinchberger all in favor