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Good afternoon and welcome to our May Heritage Kitchener meeting. This afternoon we're pleased

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to have with us our reps who are going to talk about Victoria Park. And I just encourage

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everyone that, you know, if you have questions, we know the rules and how we do our reports

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and so on and so forth. So, again, for the audience, people interested

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in participating in future meetings can register online using the Delegation Registration

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form www.kitchener.ca delegation or via email at delegation at kitchener.ca.

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So first item of business, we would like to know if anybody has a disclosure of pecuniary

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interest and the general nature thereof.

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of. So are there any pecuniary interest? Seeing none, we'll proceed to the delegation.

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what we're going to do is go straight to this presentation on Victoria Park. And you have

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as your agenda item, Heritage Consultation Memo for Victoria Park Master Plan.

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And we have two of our staff who are going to present because they've both been involved

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in this item.

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We have Michelle Drake, our Senior Heritage Planner, and Karen Lisa, Landscape Architect.

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So each of them will present, and we do have a five-minute presentation.

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However, I would think that this item may take longer than the five minutes.

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And since we don't have a long agenda, I will open it up,

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and you do what you have to do to present.

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All right.

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So, Michelle, are you going to present first?

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We're going to present together.

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Karen and Melissa and Michelle, please.

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Thank you, Jean, for that introduction.

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So both myself and Ms. Lizard are here tonight to talk about the Victoria Park Master Plan

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and the Heritage Review that was undertaken by the firm of Archaeological Services Inc.

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ASI. The purpose of our presentation today is to not walk you through every single recommendation

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of the Draft Master Plan but rather to sort of highlight the theme areas and the findings

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as they relate to heritage with respect to ongoing work with the overall Victoria Park

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master plan review process.

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So as I mentioned, ASI was retained to assess how

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the draft Victoria Park Master Plan recommendations aligned with, as you know,

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the Victoria Park Area Heritage Conservation District Plan policies and

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guidelines. The review identified a few different things. One being, or I guess

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the purpose story of the review was to identify if there were any potential conflicts, but

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it also identified and looked at opportunities where we may be able to strengthen the heritage

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character that we see in Victoria Park today and in the broader Heritage Conservation District

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throughout the process.

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In terms of context, this committee should be fairly familiar that Victoria Park is

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the city's oldest park. It was established in the 1890s and forms a central feature within

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the Victoria Park Area Heritage Conservation District. The plan that applies in that district

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identifies the park as a romantic landscape and then it mentions that it's characterized

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by things like the naturalistic forms, the meandering pathways, wooded areas, open

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lawns, framed vistas, and then it mentions the lake as a focal point within the park

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and the district.

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I'm going to turn it over to Karen for now.

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All good?

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Okay.

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Thanks, Michelle.

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Good afternoon.

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Thank you for taking the time to hear about the master plan and the progress we've made

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since we last met in November of 2025.

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I just wanted to bring some additional information to the committee in terms of the recommendations

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that we've brought forth and how it relates to what Michelle had just mentioned about

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the Heritage Review.

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As far as the process for the project, since we last met, we were working through draft

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recommendations.

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So we'd finalized phase one and phase two, and we were validating all the data we

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had collected from those two phases and drafting recommendations based on capital, policy and

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strategic initiatives. We worked through an internal stakeholder process where we verified

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that information and basically circled back to those folks in our working group and made

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sure that we weren't missing anything. And then we're looking at a prioritization of

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those recommendations. So in terms of the internal stakeholder verification, we worked

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through, like I mentioned, the internal working group, but also feedback from our CLT, our

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corporate leadership team. And then, as Michelle mentioned, we jointly retained ASI to look

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at the overall recommendations and are here today for our second update.

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And concurrently are working on the document in the background just to make sure that we

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meet our June 1st deadline for council.

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Next slide.

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So in terms of the internal stakeholder verification, that was in March that we went individually

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to heritage planning staff, economic development, our parks operations staff, as well as transportation.

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Those four were sort of key groups that we had heard from in our engagement process that

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had a lot of input when it came to some of those recommendations, and we wanted to make

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sure that what we were presenting aligned with staff's thoughts and strategic goals

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as well. And then CLT came in April where we confirmed support and or revisions to some

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of those recommendations, keeping in mind that the 43 recommendations that we presented

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in our memo to this committee as well as to ASI have since been refined. But we will

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move forward with the original list that we had presented just so we can have that

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discussion if there's any specific questions. And then, again, in April, we were working

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with ASI to make sure that we had that reference point for committee today. Next slide.

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So as I mentioned, the 43 original recommendations, there was 25 capital, nine strategic, and

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nine policy. Of those, they're covered under the topics to the right. I know that's

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kind of small text but it gives you an understanding of the depth of the engagement and the feedback

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we received last year and how we sort of grouped those topics and moved forward in providing

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recommendations that align with what we heard internally and externally from the public.

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I guess I'll pass it back to Michelle.

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in terms of the overall findings, what ASI reported back to us was that the majority

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of the draft recommendations found in the draft Victoria Park Master Plan were not inherently

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in conflict with the policies that this committee is familiar with within the Victoria Park

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Area Heritage Conservation District Plan.

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many of the recommendations actually present opportunities where we may be

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able to restore and or improve and enhance the character within the park in

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the broader district. The primary risk that they did share was the idea of

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like cumulative impact so the idea that if there are numerous small and or

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or uncoordinated changes in the park,

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that their collective impact could be a concern,

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and specifically with respect to the idea

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of cumulative visual clutter.

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So some of the key considerations that were outlined

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were related to focusing on protecting the Victoria Park

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in terms of its landscape elements.

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So looking at maintaining views to,

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from and around the lake preserving the open grassy sweeps such as the commons

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and the meadow retaining the wooded areas and then protecting the important

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vistas. Also of interest is the pathways where we would like to continue to see

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them meandering in their alignment instead of being perhaps you know

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straightened or hard angles, and ideally not

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over widening of the pathways as they exist today,

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and where new structures may be proposed,

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that there be thoughtful consideration to the need

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and then careful consideration of the appropriate location

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for those new structures.

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And so with respect to some of the details

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around these changes, the guidance emphasized compatibility rather than a

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replication of historic styles. So looking at new or replacement elements that

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are high quality, natural materials, muted tones, historically appropriate tones

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like those suggested in the Heritage Conservation District Plan, and gave

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these examples of like park furniture and signage looking to sort of coordinate how their design

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happens and vegetation strategies that can also help us reinforce that romantic landscape

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while still integrating some of the ecological and forestry best practices that the city would

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like to achieve. And

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with that I will turn it back to Karen.

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Great thanks Nichelle. So this

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Next slide references the active play zone in the back, like southern portion of the park.

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In speaking to Michelle's previous slide about designing with a thoughtful approach and in

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context of the space, we had some conversations about prioritizing work and with the picnic

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shelter that has recently come down and some of the other capital life cycle replacements

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at the back end in this zone that we're referring to. We were looking to find efficiencies in

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making improvements and for lack of a better phrase, getting the most bang for our buck

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in terms of that space. We know the following to be true currently in that existing location

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in Victoria Park.

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So the picnic shelter was removed last fall

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due to its age and safety concerns.

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The splash pad needs a complete overhaul.

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It's at the end of its life cycle as well.

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The playground's rubber eye surfacing needs repairs

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and a few minor play elements need to change.

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The trail surface needs repairs

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and there's some user conflicts there as well.

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Seating improvements and basketball court improvements

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for all sort of highlighted is initial targeted capital work that can be, we can look at funding

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within a short term period. Next slide.

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So it's hard to see from this slide up that high but

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we've tried to outline the like general area in context of the entire park itself

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Really, just including the playground, the splash pad area, the picnic shelter, the existing

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basketball court, the...

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Access lane on the other side of the machine shop. It's all sort of working together in conjunction

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with some of those life cycle efficiencies that we are looking at moving forward. Next slide.

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So with that, we're really focusing on, for the master plan, bringing forward a bit of

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conceptual overview of that space. We don't have specific finalized design to be presented

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in the master plan itself, but it's more of a conceptual understanding that we'd like

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to move forward with. Each one of those individual capital projects will talk to our colleagues

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in heritage planning and understand if the process would be to bring that forward

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to heritage each like in an individual sense or as a collective. We want to make

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sure that the point that Michelle made about cumulative impacts that were

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being cognizant of that and that as a whole we are making good choices in terms

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of the design and the the final impact to the park itself. So the picnic

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shelter we're looking at upgrading that to match the aesthetic of existing

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park buildings, similar to the recently renovated bandstand, and shifting that structure away

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from the machine shop, as it's not in an ideal location currently.

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It's kind of pushed to the farthest back corner of the park.

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The summer kitchen considering potentially a new use there or location to support the

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Indigenous people's gathering space and the active play zone that I referenced.

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for the play area specifically. We'd like to move the swings a little bit

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closer to the existing play area because currently they are not meeting

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accessibility requirements and open up that Vista as the Heritage District

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Plan references Vistas and sweeps of grass. We want to alleviate some issues

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with accessibility and consolidating those play areas, improving maintenance for our staff but

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also kind of improving that at the same time. And as well as the seating options around the

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playground and the splash pad that would kind of concurrently work in tandem with those upgrades.

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the splash pad replacing what's existing but adjacent to the playground, the

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basketball, look at that as more of a dedicated team area close to the outdoor

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exercise equipment that's existing and then the trail piece keeping in mind the

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point made about meandering pathways and not expanding widths where absolutely

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be, you know, not necessary, but looking at mitigating pedestrian conflicts and improving

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the surfaces where we can.

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So this is just an example, and I believe Heritage might have, Committee might have

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seen this previously, but we're looking at a Canadian supplier, Shave View, that could

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potentially provide a replacement for the existing picnic shelter. We've

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discussed materiality and like wish list options with our facilities

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management staff, so they've given us an understanding of what they'd like to see

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in terms of power, lighting, durability, specs as they relate to a new

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structure in the park, but will also obviously be considering the aesthetic

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to be consistent with like Michelle had mentioned the existing buildings and

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structures in the park whether that be cedar shingles or stone cladding of the

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base something that really fits within the context of the park next slide and

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this is just another alternative with a metal structure roof but there's you

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know there's a lot of different opportunities to work with this

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supplier to achieve an aesthetic that's agreeable to Heritage and to all those

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stakeholders as well. Next slide. I think that's... I'll turn it over to Michelle.

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And so I guess in conclusion what came out of the Heritage review was

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that as the draft recommendations are presented now they will not detract

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from the heritage character and in some instances will actually create these

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opportunities to enhance the heritage character. Most of the changes that Karen

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had described are located in that south end of Victoria Park and you know when

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we move forward with implementation of the recommendations we will need to

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what is the right process so that we have that bird's eye view of the park as a whole

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and can understand sort of the cumulative impact of changes that might be more minor over time,

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but collectively could have a larger impact.

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And then depending as well on the scope of change,

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You know, whether those changes are things that would be considered under our delegated

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approval authority bylaw and or whether the scope of change requires consideration through

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the Heritage Committee and potentially counsel.

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So that is the conclusion of the presentation by staff.

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staff. We do have our consultant here if there are questions with respect to the memo that

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you may want to address to the delegation. Karen and I are obviously available if there's

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questions of staff, but generally we just like to open it up to the committee for comments

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and questions.

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Thank

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you, and it gives us a really good overview of both the practical and the heritage items.

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So I will open it up to committee for questions or comments, observations, and, sure, Councillor

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Chatlin.

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Yeah, thank you, and thank you for this report.

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I just have a few questions, and maybe it's too early to answer them, but there's mention

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of signage.

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I hope we can keep that to a minimum, can we?

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Through the Chair, I think what the recommendation is is to have a consolidated and comprehensive

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approach, and I think that idea would be to sort of minimize the signage, but also

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likely have sort of a consistent approach

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where we do introduce signs so that we reduce

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that visual clutter both in terms of number

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but also in terms of like design or style,

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if that makes sense.

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Okay, yeah, I'd hate to see the part full of signs.

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All right, it's a large part but it's not that big,

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I guess.

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You mentioned that the basketball area

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would be closer to the outdoor exercise area and I was just wondering if that

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would in any way impact the the parking in that area right now.

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Yeah I can take

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that. So we're looking at kind of adjacent to the existing parking lot.

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It won't impact the parking specifically it's just a kind of a shift

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closer to that space so it reads as more of a consistent youth-focused

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space, but no specific concerns about parking impacts.

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Okay, great. There's no mention of barbecues or outdoor, I don't know if they're not called

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barbecues, but pits, fire pits.

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Have we decided not to do that?

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So that's kind of come in tandem with the picnic shelter, I believe. We have sort of

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dedicated coal locations. There's a lot of independent sort of multi-generational

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gatherings that we've seen over the last few years in the park and people bringing their own

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facilities with them to the space. The Parks Master Plan does provide some information in

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of like moving forward with a pilot for that piece as well. So I don't know if

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Markey likes to speak to that in more detail. I think there's room for minor

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improvements such as that. So we didn't hear an outcome specifically for

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barbecues. We know it's used but a permanent facility like that we can

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certainly add it after the fact. It doesn't necessarily have to be part of

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the larger strategic plan. So if it's a grassroots initiative or something

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maybe you hear from constituents we're happy to place it in the

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location like that. Okay because I do think as Karen said there are a lot of

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multi-generational families that do use the park and you know hold parties and

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that sort of thing so it'd be nice if they had that infrastructure available to

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them. I can hold off if others have questions. Okay what about the

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multi-use trail? What ideas do you have for that? Because I know it can

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be, there is conflict with pedestrians and e-bikes in particular, or e-scooters.

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We are looking at as part of that southern portion in the active play zone to have a

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sort of bypass trail around the backside of that space if we can consolidate it closer

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or together, still meandering in a way, but I think that that would really help the conflicts

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we're seeing with pedestrians and e-scooters and the entrance from the parking lot near

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the pavilion. There's a lot going on in that space. There's a lot of crossover to the

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washroom facility. If that becomes a change room in the future or if we look at retrofit

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for that building, there's even more sort of crossover of pedestrians in that space.

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and we're seeing that through our like sensor technology as well. So I think that that provides

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even more data behind making a change there in terms of the pathway and providing a better

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connection from the Iron Horse Trail around that space to neighboring side streets and

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to the rest of the park.

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right okay and what about the indigenous people's gathering space I know one

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concern when it was sort of an impromptu arrangement was the close proximity to

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the kids play area so would it be moved back slightly to yeah that conflict so

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So our colleague Carol Bacon is managing that piece, and the location is Indigenous-led

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in terms of citing that appropriately, and it's quite a distance away from the playground

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in an open green space that I think we are going to have a communication of that publicly

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in the next couple days.

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So, yeah, we'll have a better understanding publicly of where that will be and where it'll be cited and what the materiality and the design will look like.

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Right.

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My other question had to do with the Victoria Park Working Group. They haven't seen this yet. Will they be seeing it before it comes to Council in June? I forget when the next meeting is.

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The entirety of the master plan?

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or at least like we can I was the aiming to for post heritage committee to

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afford ASI's report if I think that that we can keep that internal to the

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working group but I think if if need be we would share that as well okay thank

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you I think it's you've done a great job thanks thank

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you

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Councilor Chapman. Are there any other questions, comments?

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Yes, Arons.

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I just

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had a question about the, it was noted that there was the potential for land

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acquisition and expansion of the park beyond the railway, keeping in mind that

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it should be differentiated from the rest of the park if that happens from

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like a heritage perspective. I wondered if that is something that is being

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actively pursued or is it just a hypothetical depending on how things

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work out for some of these plants.

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It is being pursued, but it's part of the larger city initiative just because the resources

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to acquire properties is finite, so it's not just Victoria Park, it's across the city.

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So it is being considered realistically and actively just as part of the larger picture.

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Okay, thank you.

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Thank you, Preston.

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Any other questions?

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I have one or two. With respect to the picnic shelter, I'm sure that's a capital cost. Is

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it planned for this year or is this when the plan is finished?

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That's the first one of the gate once we're through council approval, like assuming it

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is approved through council. That is our first project to replace that function

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and service as quickly as we can.

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So further, you showed a few designs,

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and I'm wondering if, like, how you will...

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We'll work on the design in conjunction with our heritage committee, and I've seen now the

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two designs, and I think I have a preference on one of them. However, I don't know what

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the other members of the committee feel about the design, so how will that proceed?

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So specific capital projects, we will come back to heritage committee some more to bridge

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replacements and any other major capital works, this would fall under that same

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process. So we're not here to talk about the specifics of the design, although we

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alluded to it and showed a nice picture about it and what we're thinking about

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it, but the specifics of the materiality, the design, the size, we will come back

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to this committee with specifics and receive feedback accordingly and balance

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with our own facilities management, our own operations team too. In years past,

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It seemed to me that we did have committee reps sitting down with staff in building projects

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like this.

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And I wonder if this might be a project that would be worthy of maybe a member of the committee

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and that sounds like there's a working group or of the Victoria Park community group, something

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like that to to talk and have some discussion on this picnic shelter since

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it's part and parcel of their neighborhood.

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Certainly will include the

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Victoria Park Working Group. They are like you said part and parcel with the

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park itself, the neighborhood. They are part of the one of the groups that we

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will speak to once the design is underway.

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Thank you. Another item that

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was brought to my attention and I have wondered about this as well. For instance,

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you have a road, carries a fair amount of traffic through the park and I wondered

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like has there been any thought of how one would instead of maybe having the

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stop at one point like a different way of dealing with the traffic and the crossing and I don't

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know if that's a concern.

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Sure.

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So, we had a pretty substantial engagement phase last summer that included internal

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and external engagement.

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We had a transportation charrette, so staff internally from our transportation department

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talked about a lot of these pieces in terms of crossover of active transportation,

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parking, the connection along Jubilee.

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There's even in some of the older documentation that Rich Mills had shared with us,

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there was reference to closing Jubilee back in like the 70s and the 80s and it

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seems to come up every decade so there was there was a lot of conversation

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about is the park for cars is it for pedestrians and back and forth about

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how we're managing that overlap I think that we've landed on a point where

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where we're focusing more through this master plan

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on over the next 10-year period

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on pedestrian circulation through the park space.

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We have a parking strategy that we're looking at

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and strategic items that we're bringing forward

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over the next 10-year period

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that try to get at the crux of some of those conflicts.

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But yeah, I think that's become

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an ongoing dialogue in our engagement

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and you'll see it represented in the master plan as well.

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Thank you.

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One last item.

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We've got Nandering Pathways.

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And I do believe in the script I read about perhaps sand and gravel finishes.

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And I think that might be a bit difficult.

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called. And I wondered whether there might be some, I'm just trying to think of the romantic

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era or the landscape era, the late Victorian period, and how you blend that. And I will

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be honest, I abhor Ashfalt, and I don't think it has a place in the park for it. But I

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I wondered whether something like an aggregate or a brushed aggregate, brushed stone, might

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work on the paths where you are suggesting the gravel and the sand.

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And then again, I don't know where those paths are, but I just put it out there for your

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consideration if you want to respond.

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We probably hold off until maybe we do that work, but I know any asphalt installations

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they use a different type.

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It's a rougher category of asphalt

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to maybe allude to that sand and gravel finish.

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But beyond that, it's typically a cost decision.

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Really, if we're speaking of concrete,

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to brush concrete or expose aggregate concrete

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or something to that effect,

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to do it in mass quantity is costly.

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So asphalt is the better, is the balance, I'd say,

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of both of those where we get the accessibility benefits of the firm's

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stable surface and not quite as expensive as concrete. So we'll consider that. I

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mean I think it's part of the cost considerations but doing this under

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budget is also part of it too and there are modifications we can do to

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well to help the visual or to help the what it what it appears like

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thank you

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are there any other comments so

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staff have you any concluding remarks or do

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you feel you've exhausted what we need to know Michelle and Kira Karen through

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the chair though we just wanted to present the information to the committee

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today and acknowledge that, you know, parks and heritage planning will continue to work

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together as the broader master plan moves forward, but also as some of those implementation

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pieces are sort of targeted to start work on and absolutely, you know, where a heritage

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permit is required.

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We will, you know, seek advice from the neighbourhood representative to see, you

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or whether they can be processed at a staff level under delegated approval.

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Very good. Thank you. Any further direction? Great. All right. We'll now proceed to our

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Bill 23 Municipal. And thank you again for coming. Bill 23 Municipal Heritage Register Review. So

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So it looks like we have two properties, 130 Weber Street West and 105117 Onward Avenue.

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And I assume, Victoria, you're going to be working on this and presenting.

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All right.

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Thank you, Madam Chair.

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So the first property that we're bringing forward to this evening as part of our Municipal

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Heritage Register review is 130 Weber Street West.

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The property contains a two story early 20th century brick building constructed in the industrial vernacular style with subtle Art Deco influences.

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I just wanted to note to the committee that the statement of significance refers to the building having subtle classical revival influences,

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but after some reassessment these appear to be more aligned with the art deco

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architectural style. So the building is situated on a 0.59 acre parcel of land

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located on the northeast corner of Brightup Street and Weber Street West

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within the warehouse district cultural heritage landscape and the principal

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resource that contributes to the heritage value of the property is the

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commercial building.

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So the property has designed physical value as it is a

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representative example of industrial vernacular architecture with subtle art

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deco influence. The property has historical and associative value so

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Charles Dorr, founder of Dare Foods, was the original owner of

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lands and the property formally housed the Dare Foods factory before a fire

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destroyed the building in 1943. Dare Foods has since relocated to its location on

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Kingsway Drive. So AB Kaia of Kaia Fabrics purchased the property and

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relocated the company to 130 Weber Street West in 1947. Kaia Fabrics is

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is a well-known entity in the Canadian textile industry.

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The company collaborated with a Danish-based designer

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and artist to produce textile art prints that

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helped shape Canadian art textile styles.

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And the company also had exclusive rights

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to a line of fire-retardant fabrics,

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making Kaia fabrics a leading supplier

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to schools, hospitals, and other institutions

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throughout the 1960s and 1970s.

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The current building at 130 Weaver Street West was designed by B.A. Jones.

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Jones worked with W.H.E. Schmaltz and assisted with the design of the 1922-23 Kitchener City Hall Building.

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And Jones also designed the 1932 Public Utilities Building and the 1936-37 Church of the Good Shepherd.

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And

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this property also has contextual value as it contributes to the

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continuity and character of the Brightup Street and Weber Street West streetscapes

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as well as the warehouse district CHL.

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So that concludes my presentation on this property.

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Madam Chair would you like me to just move to the next one

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and we can consider them both together or do you want to pause here and have a discussion?

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Perhaps we can pause and we can take them together

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but I'll ask the question now. Are there any questions for Victoria on this property?

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Well, I have one. It's a bit of nostalgia. Does anyone remember buying Kaia fabrics

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or having someone make clothing of Kaia fabric?

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I do.

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I was really sorry when that

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fabric company left our city and it it was kind of a pleasant surprise to read

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this in the in the script and I hadn't realized where this was made good all

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right are there any other comments or question all right we'll proceed then

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to the onward property all

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right thank you Madam Chair so the second property

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property that's being brought forward this evening is the property municipally addressed

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as 105 to 117 Onward Avenue. This property contains a three-story mid-20th century brick

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apartment building constructed in the structuralist architectural style. The apartment building

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is situated on a 1.19 acre parcel of land located at the corner of Onward Avenue and

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Weber Street East in the Onward Avenue neighborhood cultural heritage landscape. The principal

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resource that contributes to the heritage value of the property is the

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apartment building.

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So the property has designed physical value as the building

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is a representative example of the structuralist architectural style. The

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property has historical associated value given its association with the

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original owner and builder Michael Krause and it also has the potential to

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yield information about post-war development within the city of

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Kitchener. So Michael Krause was founder of Krause Carbon Mills and Struidex Fibers

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and was a prominent member of the new Apostolic Church. His religious work and

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his work as a builder were intertwined. He served as the contractor for the

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church building at 182 Victoria Street North and helped build the current new

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Apostolic Church at 160 Margaret Avenue. Krause was the founder and

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president of Stam Investments, a company owned by the new Apostolic

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Church of Canada, which was involved in apartment construction and land development.

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The company's proceeds were partly dedicated to the church's missionary work in Asia, Africa,

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South America and the Caribbean.

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The building at 105 to 117 Onward Avenue illustrates the role of apartment buildings

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in addressing post-war housing needs in Kitchener.

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This building is part of a series of several apartment buildings constructed by different

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owners on the same or modified plans around 1948.

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And the property has

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contextual value as the building contributes to the continuity and

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character of the Onward Avenue streetscape. The building is in its

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original location and maintains its original use as an apartment building.

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Prior to World War II, the area around this property represented the limits

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of Kitchener's Urban Development and there is a link between this building

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And then nearby, each plan apartment building is at 141, 149 Borden Avenue and 265 Weaver Street

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East. So that concludes my presentation on these properties and I'm just going to put

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the recommendation up on the slide for the committee. Thank you.

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Thank you, Victoria. Are there any questions about this? Yes, Councilor Michele.

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Thank you. It's nice to see this apartment being put on the list. Was there not another

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apartment beside that at the same heritage at one point? I'm sure there was

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two. Through the chair I don't know if there was one like directly beside this

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property but on 265 Weber Street East which is very close to this property

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there is an H plan apartment building and then the the two properties that

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I mentioned at Borden Avenue are also sort of H plan blocks as well. Yeah I

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I thought there was one up closer towards going towards East Ave, but that's okay.

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It's nice to see this.

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Thank you.

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Thank you, Councillor Michel.

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Any other questions for Victoria?

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Well seeing none, I'm going to read the motion that pursuant to Section 29 of the Interior

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Heritage Act, the cultural heritage value or interest be recognized and designation be

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pursued for the following properties. 130 Weber Street West 105 117 Onward Avenue. Are

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there any questions? Who would move this? Magda, thank you. Any further questions? All

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right. All those in favor? It's carried. And this will go to Council for approval

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June 29, 2026. Now we have the information items our heritage permit

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applications tracking sheet. Are there any questions about that one? Seeing none

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who would like to adjourn the meeting.

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Thank you Councillor Chapman.