1 00:00:11,200 --> 00:00:12,800 County Planning Commission. It is 2 00:00:12,800 --> 00:00:15,679 September 29th, 2026. The time is 6 3 00:00:15,679 --> 00:00:17,760 o'clock. Present in the room, we have 4 00:00:17,760 --> 00:00:19,119 Commissioner Degrroot and myself, 5 00:00:19,119 --> 00:00:20,880 Commissioner Minty. Commissioner Nichols 6 00:00:20,880 --> 00:00:22,960 is absent today. If everyone would 7 00:00:22,960 --> 00:00:24,000 please rise for the pledge of 8 00:00:24,000 --> 00:00:26,400 >> allegiance. 9 00:00:26,400 --> 00:00:29,920 I pledge to the flag of the United 10 00:00:29,920 --> 00:00:32,960 States of America and to the republic 11 00:00:32,960 --> 00:00:36,320 for which it stands. One nation under 12 00:00:36,320 --> 00:00:39,280 God, indivisible with liberty and 13 00:00:39,280 --> 00:00:42,079 justice for all. 14 00:00:42,079 --> 00:00:45,590 Hey, 15 00:00:45,600 --> 00:00:49,360 » before I turn the meeting over to the 16 00:00:49,360 --> 00:00:52,719 planning commission chair, I would like 17 00:00:52,719 --> 00:00:55,760 to check in uh with you, Commissioner G. 18 00:00:55,760 --> 00:00:57,199 Do you have anything that you would 19 00:00:57,199 --> 00:01:00,079 consider a need to declare in terms of 20 00:01:00,079 --> 00:01:02,640 exparte contact or any reason to abstain 21 00:01:02,640 --> 00:01:04,879 from the upcoming proceedings? 22 00:01:04,879 --> 00:01:06,400 >> I don't believe so. No. 23 00:01:06,400 --> 00:01:08,560 >> Or do I? So, with that, I will turn the 24 00:01:08,560 --> 00:01:11,119 meeting over to the chair of the county. 25 00:01:11,119 --> 00:01:13,520 Thank you, Madam Chair. 26 00:01:13,520 --> 00:01:16,000 Starting on my far left, I ask that the 27 00:01:16,000 --> 00:01:17,600 commission members please introduce 28 00:01:17,600 --> 00:01:19,680 themselves. 29 00:01:19,680 --> 00:01:20,560 >> Joe Young, 30 00:01:20,560 --> 00:01:21,680 >> Jennifer Fairfield, 31 00:01:21,680 --> 00:01:22,640 >> Randy Shaw, 32 00:01:22,640 --> 00:01:24,400 >> Charlie Gray, Sarah Decker, Clint 33 00:01:24,400 --> 00:01:26,080 Rhinus. 34 00:01:26,080 --> 00:01:27,920 >> We have convened to review certain 35 00:01:27,920 --> 00:01:29,759 matters and to make recommendations 36 00:01:29,759 --> 00:01:32,240 thereon. To that end, I ask if any 37 00:01:32,240 --> 00:01:34,079 member of this commission has a conflict 38 00:01:34,079 --> 00:01:37,040 of interest, bias, or exparte contact to 39 00:01:37,040 --> 00:01:39,600 report with regard to any matter before 40 00:01:39,600 --> 00:01:41,600 us this evening. So, I want to make sure 41 00:01:41,600 --> 00:01:44,320 to say that I do know the applicant and 42 00:01:44,320 --> 00:01:46,159 have worked with him in the past. I 43 00:01:46,159 --> 00:01:48,159 don't feel that that's going to have any 44 00:01:48,159 --> 00:01:56,630 uh any any conflict on me. 45 00:01:56,640 --> 00:01:58,079 I note for the record that the 46 00:01:58,079 --> 00:02:00,240 commission has a quorum to proceed. With 47 00:02:00,240 --> 00:02:02,079 regard to each matter before us, the 48 00:02:02,079 --> 00:02:04,240 following order of proceeding will be 49 00:02:04,240 --> 00:02:06,799 observed. First, the planning commission 50 00:02:06,799 --> 00:02:08,160 will open the public hearing by 51 00:02:08,160 --> 00:02:10,640 receiving a staff report on the 52 00:02:10,640 --> 00:02:12,720 particular matter. Staff will be given 53 00:02:12,720 --> 00:02:16,080 15 minutes for this report. Next, the 54 00:02:16,080 --> 00:02:18,640 applicant or their representative may 55 00:02:18,640 --> 00:02:20,879 present testimony. to include the 56 00:02:20,879 --> 00:02:22,800 testimony of the witnesses. The 57 00:02:22,800 --> 00:02:25,040 applicant will be given 15 minutes for 58 00:02:25,040 --> 00:02:27,040 this report. Following this 59 00:02:27,040 --> 00:02:28,879 presentation, those who support the 60 00:02:28,879 --> 00:02:31,840 applicant may testify. We will then hear 61 00:02:31,840 --> 00:02:34,800 testimony of any opponents. Then we will 62 00:02:34,800 --> 00:02:37,280 hear testimony of p persons wishing to 63 00:02:37,280 --> 00:02:40,480 speak from a neutral position. Each 64 00:02:40,480 --> 00:02:42,319 person testifying will be given five 65 00:02:42,319 --> 00:02:45,280 minutes for their comments. Last of all, 66 00:02:45,280 --> 00:02:46,879 the applicant will be allowed the 67 00:02:46,879 --> 00:02:49,519 opportunity to rebut any testimony 68 00:02:49,519 --> 00:02:52,480 opposing the application. Arguments and 69 00:02:52,480 --> 00:02:54,400 debates over the rebuttal are not 70 00:02:54,400 --> 00:02:56,239 allowed. 71 00:02:56,239 --> 00:02:58,560 The applicant will be allowed 10 minutes 72 00:02:58,560 --> 00:03:01,760 for this rebuttal. All testimony must be 73 00:03:01,760 --> 00:03:04,400 directed toward the planning commission. 74 00:03:04,400 --> 00:03:07,332 Additional or sidebar questions or 75 00:03:07,332 --> 00:03:09,120 [clears throat] conversations should 76 00:03:09,120 --> 00:03:11,840 take place outside of the hearing room. 77 00:03:11,840 --> 00:03:14,000 I also ask that you please turn off all 78 00:03:14,000 --> 00:03:16,400 cell phones and other electronic 79 00:03:16,400 --> 00:03:18,720 devices. At the conclusion of the 80 00:03:18,720 --> 00:03:20,959 evidentiary portion of the hearing, this 81 00:03:20,959 --> 00:03:22,720 commission shall close the hearing to 82 00:03:22,720 --> 00:03:25,840 deliberate toward a resolution. It is 83 00:03:25,840 --> 00:03:28,560 not appropriate for the applicant, 84 00:03:28,560 --> 00:03:30,560 opponents, or any member of the public 85 00:03:30,560 --> 00:03:33,200 to comment or to pose questions during 86 00:03:33,200 --> 00:03:35,200 these deliberations. 87 00:03:35,200 --> 00:03:37,360 Finally, please be advised that at 8:00 88 00:03:37,360 --> 00:03:40,159 p.m. we will take a short break. At 10 89 00:03:40,159 --> 00:03:41,920 p.m. I will ask the planning commission 90 00:03:41,920 --> 00:03:44,480 members if they wish to continue and 91 00:03:44,480 --> 00:03:47,760 will ask again every hour thereafter. If 92 00:03:47,760 --> 00:03:49,280 they vote to end the meeting, all 93 00:03:49,280 --> 00:03:51,519 proceedings will be continued to a time 94 00:03:51,519 --> 00:03:54,080 and date established. With this, I will 95 00:03:54,080 --> 00:03:56,959 open the hearing as to the first item. 96 00:03:56,959 --> 00:04:00,239 on the agenda is CLUP 97 00:04:00,239 --> 00:04:04,480 ZC zone change 4-26 98 00:04:04,480 --> 00:04:07,920 AKS Engineering and Forestry LLC for 99 00:04:07,920 --> 00:04:11,200 Daniel R. Horton. The application seeks 100 00:04:11,200 --> 00:04:13,680 consolidated review 101 00:04:13,680 --> 00:04:16,000 an amendment to the Clamoth Falls urban 102 00:04:16,000 --> 00:04:18,959 growth urban area comprehensive plan map 103 00:04:18,959 --> 00:04:21,519 designation from general commercial and 104 00:04:21,519 --> 00:04:24,479 suburban residential to medium density 105 00:04:24,479 --> 00:04:26,479 residential together with a 106 00:04:26,479 --> 00:04:28,560 corresponding zone change from general 107 00:04:28,560 --> 00:04:31,680 commercial and suburban residential to 108 00:04:31,680 --> 00:04:35,600 medium density residential on a 30.54 109 00:04:35,600 --> 00:04:37,840 acre tract of land comprised of 110 00:04:37,840 --> 00:04:41,520 approximately 14.26 26 acres of general 111 00:04:41,520 --> 00:04:46,320 commercial zoned land and 16.28 acres of 112 00:04:46,320 --> 00:04:50,080 RSZoned land or residential suburban and 113 00:04:50,080 --> 00:04:52,560 two preliminary subdivision plats for 114 00:04:52,560 --> 00:04:55,680 the proposed Hill Haven s estates 115 00:04:55,680 --> 00:04:57,520 residential subdivision to be developed 116 00:04:57,520 --> 00:05:01,360 in two phases creating 118 residential 117 00:05:01,360 --> 00:05:04,000 lots. one lot for a municipal water 118 00:05:04,000 --> 00:05:06,240 booster pump station and common area 119 00:05:06,240 --> 00:05:09,199 lots for storm water facilities and open 120 00:05:09,199 --> 00:05:12,320 space recreation. Consolidated review of 121 00:05:12,320 --> 00:05:14,240 the map amendment and subdivision 122 00:05:14,240 --> 00:05:18,000 applications is requested pursuant to OS 123 00:05:18,000 --> 00:05:20,960 215.416 124 00:05:20,960 --> 00:05:23,680 parentheses 2. The general location of 125 00:05:23,680 --> 00:05:25,440 the proposed development is the north 126 00:05:25,440 --> 00:05:28,320 side of Highway 140 at the east end of 127 00:05:28,320 --> 00:05:30,800 Hillyard Avenue, east of the Highway 128 00:05:30,800 --> 00:05:34,160 39140 junction within within the 129 00:05:34,160 --> 00:05:36,479 unincorporated Clamoth Falls urban 130 00:05:36,479 --> 00:05:39,120 growth boundary area which is comprised 131 00:05:39,120 --> 00:05:43,280 of map tax lot numbers 3910-06 132 00:05:43,280 --> 00:05:47,830 C-0000400 133 00:05:47,840 --> 00:05:52,390 3910-07BA-200 134 00:05:52,400 --> 00:05:59,670 00 39107B-01300 135 00:05:59,680 --> 00:06:01,440 back slash01. 136 00:06:01,440 --> 00:06:05,199 And with that, Mr. Mr. Throne, please 137 00:06:05,199 --> 00:06:06,560 give us a report. 138 00:06:06,560 --> 00:06:09,759 >> Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Uh, wait till 139 00:06:09,759 --> 00:06:17,270 this pulls up on full screen. 140 00:06:17,280 --> 00:06:19,039 Maybe we won't. So, this is a 141 00:06:19,039 --> 00:06:22,000 combination of a zone change, a a 142 00:06:22,000 --> 00:06:24,080 comprehensive plan change, and a 143 00:06:24,080 --> 00:06:27,120 subdivision. Uh, the zone change is from 144 00:06:27,120 --> 00:06:28,800 commercial, which is what it is right 145 00:06:28,800 --> 00:06:30,720 now, and [snorts] that's just a parcel, 146 00:06:30,720 --> 00:06:33,280 a portion of this land, to medium 147 00:06:33,280 --> 00:06:36,240 density residential. The other area of 148 00:06:36,240 --> 00:06:38,639 land is zone suburban residential, and 149 00:06:38,639 --> 00:06:40,400 the applicant is asked to change that to 150 00:06:40,400 --> 00:06:45,270 medium density residential. 151 00:06:45,280 --> 00:06:47,919 Here 152 00:06:47,919 --> 00:06:50,080 is a map of the what's in proposed in 153 00:06:50,080 --> 00:06:53,039 its entirety. You have two phases. The 154 00:06:53,039 --> 00:06:55,680 portion on the south half and then you 155 00:06:55,680 --> 00:06:58,880 have pha this is phase one. Phase two is 156 00:06:58,880 --> 00:07:01,280 a portion on the north half. The portion 157 00:07:01,280 --> 00:07:02,880 on the south half is currently zone 158 00:07:02,880 --> 00:07:04,720 commercial and the portion on the north 159 00:07:04,720 --> 00:07:06,080 half is currently zone suburban 160 00:07:06,080 --> 00:07:10,950 residential. 161 00:07:10,960 --> 00:07:13,759 » Change it at all? Yeah, 162 00:07:13,759 --> 00:07:17,039 >> there's just a a enlarged if you can 163 00:07:17,039 --> 00:07:20,720 back up one maybe the enlarged area on 164 00:07:20,720 --> 00:07:22,720 this. This was laid out in such a manner 165 00:07:22,720 --> 00:07:25,759 that you can see um 166 00:07:25,759 --> 00:07:28,639 where the streets are planned for future 167 00:07:28,639 --> 00:07:31,680 development. Um there are stub streets 168 00:07:31,680 --> 00:07:33,680 that would have a plug in them if this 169 00:07:33,680 --> 00:07:36,000 were approved that could connect both to 170 00:07:36,000 --> 00:07:39,280 the east of that to be able to tie in uh 171 00:07:39,280 --> 00:07:42,560 to potential further development um in 172 00:07:42,560 --> 00:07:45,599 that direction. 173 00:07:45,599 --> 00:07:48,160 >> I'll change that to change. 174 00:07:48,160 --> 00:07:49,919 >> Sure. So this is what it looks like 175 00:07:49,919 --> 00:07:51,440 right now. As I'm sure all of you are 176 00:07:51,440 --> 00:07:54,080 aware, there's no buildings on it. It's 177 00:07:54,080 --> 00:08:00,230 uh devoid of any structures. 178 00:08:00,240 --> 00:08:01,759 And here's what it looks like in 179 00:08:01,759 --> 00:08:03,360 relationship to the urban growth 180 00:08:03,360 --> 00:08:05,680 boundary. So all of that area that's in 181 00:08:05,680 --> 00:08:08,879 purple, that is the Clamoth Falls urban 182 00:08:08,879 --> 00:08:10,560 growth boundary that was established 183 00:08:10,560 --> 00:08:13,919 back in the late 1970s and early 1980s 184 00:08:13,919 --> 00:08:16,479 as the outer limits of where the city or 185 00:08:16,479 --> 00:08:18,160 the town of Clamoth Falls or the city of 186 00:08:18,160 --> 00:08:21,199 Clamoth Falls and the U suburbs of the 187 00:08:21,199 --> 00:08:24,080 city could expand to. So, it's not on 188 00:08:24,080 --> 00:08:25,599 the edge of it, but it is towards the 189 00:08:25,599 --> 00:08:28,319 edge of it, but it is um right in in 190 00:08:28,319 --> 00:08:33,269 place of that. 191 00:08:33,279 --> 00:08:35,120 Here's this shows the the neighborhood 192 00:08:35,120 --> 00:08:38,320 zoning. The the red is general 193 00:08:38,320 --> 00:08:40,240 commercial. And so, there's a lot of 194 00:08:40,240 --> 00:08:43,519 that right along the highways as is the 195 00:08:43,519 --> 00:08:46,000 as is normal. And then the bright yellow 196 00:08:46,000 --> 00:08:49,360 is suburban residential. Um the pale 197 00:08:49,360 --> 00:08:52,959 yellow up on top is uh uh low density 198 00:08:52,959 --> 00:08:55,680 residential and there's a portion up 199 00:08:55,680 --> 00:08:57,120 there that is outside the urban growth 200 00:08:57,120 --> 00:08:58,800 boundary that's kind of greenish that's 201 00:08:58,800 --> 00:09:00,959 called nonresource. 202 00:09:00,959 --> 00:09:04,720 Um the eastern line there's a dashed 203 00:09:04,720 --> 00:09:06,640 white line that is the urban growth 204 00:09:06,640 --> 00:09:09,040 boundary. Uh there's no even though this 205 00:09:09,040 --> 00:09:12,320 land is uh presently farmed or or uh 206 00:09:12,320 --> 00:09:14,640 used for agricultural purposes there is 207 00:09:14,640 --> 00:09:16,800 no EFU land within the urban growth 208 00:09:16,800 --> 00:09:19,360 boundary. That was by decision back in 209 00:09:19,360 --> 00:09:21,200 the late 1970s. 210 00:09:21,200 --> 00:09:24,616 >> Mr. Thron, what's that green 211 00:09:24,616 --> 00:09:26,320 [snorts] what appears to be a green line 212 00:09:26,320 --> 00:09:27,600 running through there and it kind of 213 00:09:27,600 --> 00:09:29,279 separates the general commercial from 214 00:09:29,279 --> 00:09:31,040 the residential? 215 00:09:31,040 --> 00:09:33,440 >> That's a that is the Yeah, the 216 00:09:33,440 --> 00:09:41,590 Enterprise Irrigation District canal. 217 00:09:41,600 --> 00:09:46,080 Next slide if you can. Okay. 218 00:09:46,080 --> 00:09:47,680 Sure. 219 00:09:47,680 --> 00:09:49,680 So, this is just a perspective map to be 220 00:09:49,680 --> 00:09:50,959 able to see things that how they're 221 00:09:50,959 --> 00:09:53,839 built currently. You do have this, I 222 00:09:53,839 --> 00:09:55,279 would call it more or less of an island 223 00:09:55,279 --> 00:09:57,360 or a pocket that does not have 224 00:09:57,360 --> 00:09:58,800 residential development on it. 225 00:09:58,800 --> 00:10:00,959 Currently, things to the east of it are 226 00:10:00,959 --> 00:10:02,640 broken up into very much smaller 227 00:10:02,640 --> 00:10:04,880 parcels. They are do have a lot of 228 00:10:04,880 --> 00:10:07,120 houses there. Things to the west 229 00:10:07,120 --> 00:10:09,279 especially are broken up broken up into 230 00:10:09,279 --> 00:10:11,760 smaller parcels and have houses. And 231 00:10:11,760 --> 00:10:12,959 then there's there's a development 232 00:10:12,959 --> 00:10:15,920 directly north and you can see um it's 233 00:10:15,920 --> 00:10:18,320 partially built. I think that's the 234 00:10:18,320 --> 00:10:21,200 Hidden Valley development. And there's a 235 00:10:21,200 --> 00:10:23,760 water tower at the very north of the 236 00:10:23,760 --> 00:10:36,790 pinnacle there, the White Circle. 237 00:10:36,800 --> 00:10:38,720 Here's just the same view, but looking 238 00:10:38,720 --> 00:10:41,519 towards the south. It kind of helps to 239 00:10:41,519 --> 00:10:43,600 see some of the topography. There is a 240 00:10:43,600 --> 00:10:45,680 natural boundary on the east of what is 241 00:10:45,680 --> 00:10:48,640 the northernmost area for development 242 00:10:48,640 --> 00:10:50,720 and that is that higher ridge that's 243 00:10:50,720 --> 00:10:52,560 getting into slopes that are too steep 244 00:10:52,560 --> 00:10:55,519 to build on. The uh the slopes here on 245 00:10:55,519 --> 00:10:58,079 the southern part are about a 3 or 4% 246 00:10:58,079 --> 00:10:59,839 grade. On the northern part they're 247 00:10:59,839 --> 00:11:02,240 about a 6% grade, but they do veer 248 00:11:02,240 --> 00:11:09,030 sharply upward as you head east. 249 00:11:09,040 --> 00:11:14,480 I apologize for our problems with the technology here. We're having a 250 00:11:14,480 --> 00:11:16,079 lag time and it's not working like it 251 00:11:16,079 --> 00:11:18,800 should be. So, please bear with us. Here 252 00:11:18,800 --> 00:11:21,040 is the development in red, the proposed 253 00:11:21,040 --> 00:11:22,959 development in red and here is the 254 00:11:22,959 --> 00:11:25,120 yellow line denotes the urban growth 255 00:11:25,120 --> 00:11:28,560 boundary. So, it um encompasses quite a 256 00:11:28,560 --> 00:11:31,360 swath of land east of there of the 257 00:11:31,360 --> 00:11:34,399 proposed development, juts down just 258 00:11:34,399 --> 00:11:36,399 briefly, and then heads north in a 259 00:11:36,399 --> 00:11:38,880 straight line basically along Hogsback 260 00:11:38,880 --> 00:11:41,040 Ridge. That is the area that the 261 00:11:41,040 --> 00:11:43,600 citizens when they adopted all of the 262 00:11:43,600 --> 00:11:45,440 comprehensive plan for Clamoth County 263 00:11:45,440 --> 00:11:47,120 years ago, that's the area they 264 00:11:47,120 --> 00:11:48,560 designated was going to be the outer 265 00:11:48,560 --> 00:11:50,880 limits of growth for the city for the 266 00:11:50,880 --> 00:11:53,600 urban area of Clamoth Falls. 267 00:11:53,600 --> 00:11:56,870 Here 268 00:11:56,880 --> 00:11:59,760 is a little bit of the water rights. So 269 00:11:59,760 --> 00:12:02,480 the bottom portion uh inter is in 270 00:12:02,480 --> 00:12:04,240 enterprise irrigation district and 271 00:12:04,240 --> 00:12:06,000 that's in the green. That's actually a 272 00:12:06,000 --> 00:12:07,680 surface water right and Clamoth basin 273 00:12:07,680 --> 00:12:09,600 adjudication along with all the other 274 00:12:09,600 --> 00:12:13,360 surface water rights. Um KA 1000 is the 275 00:12:13,360 --> 00:12:16,160 claim number uh served by the bureau 276 00:12:16,160 --> 00:12:17,760 through the Bureau of Recation served by 277 00:12:17,760 --> 00:12:19,839 Enterprise Irrigation District. On the 278 00:12:19,839 --> 00:12:21,920 northern part there is no surface water 279 00:12:21,920 --> 00:12:24,160 right. Uh there is a groundwater right 280 00:12:24,160 --> 00:12:26,560 that goes back to the 1940s and that was 281 00:12:26,560 --> 00:12:29,040 irrigated. And I think that the well I'm 282 00:12:29,040 --> 00:12:30,399 not for sure but I think that the well 283 00:12:30,399 --> 00:12:32,240 that originally supplied that water 284 00:12:32,240 --> 00:12:34,560 right is now the one that supplies the 285 00:12:34,560 --> 00:12:38,550 city water tank. 286 00:12:38,560 --> 00:12:41,040 Here's just a view looking at the end of 287 00:12:41,040 --> 00:12:43,839 Hillyard. Well, no, let me see. Is that 288 00:12:43,839 --> 00:12:45,279 No, that's looking at the from the 289 00:12:45,279 --> 00:12:48,000 Hidden Valley subdivision. uh that's 290 00:12:48,000 --> 00:12:50,880 north of this looking towards the water 291 00:12:50,880 --> 00:12:52,959 tank and then the and then the land 292 00:12:52,959 --> 00:12:55,519 beyond. That's the area that's part of 293 00:12:55,519 --> 00:12:59,190 this proposal. 294 00:12:59,200 --> 00:13:01,360 And this is a view looking from Highway 295 00:13:01,360 --> 00:13:04,800 140 east looking north where the wheel 296 00:13:04,800 --> 00:13:07,360 line is at and and that field that is 297 00:13:07,360 --> 00:13:11,590 the southern part of the proposal. 298 00:13:11,600 --> 00:13:14,560 So medium density, why medium density? 299 00:13:14,560 --> 00:13:16,079 It's actually not too much different 300 00:13:16,079 --> 00:13:18,480 than suburban residential, but it allows 301 00:13:18,480 --> 00:13:21,440 for smaller lot sizes. It also allows 302 00:13:21,440 --> 00:13:24,560 for duplexes, which are not allowed in 303 00:13:24,560 --> 00:13:26,959 the suburban residential zone. So, this 304 00:13:26,959 --> 00:13:29,920 is the medium density um zone. It says 305 00:13:29,920 --> 00:13:31,360 the purpose of the zone is to establish 306 00:13:31,360 --> 00:13:33,920 and maintain areas for single family and 307 00:13:33,920 --> 00:13:36,079 duplex residences. 308 00:13:36,079 --> 00:13:38,320 And the density, the upper limits of the 309 00:13:38,320 --> 00:13:40,639 density is eight dwelling units per 310 00:13:40,639 --> 00:13:44,000 acre. That's it doesn't have to be that. 311 00:13:44,000 --> 00:13:45,680 This isn't necessarily laid out for 312 00:13:45,680 --> 00:13:48,160 that, but that's the upper limit. If you 313 00:13:48,160 --> 00:13:50,880 look at what the permitted uses are 314 00:13:50,880 --> 00:13:53,600 there on the 81-720, 315 00:13:53,600 --> 00:13:55,279 single family dwelling is a permitted 316 00:13:55,279 --> 00:13:59,600 use. Duplex is a permitted use. Um, I 317 00:13:59,600 --> 00:14:02,160 think if you go to the next slide, the 318 00:14:02,160 --> 00:14:04,320 minimum parcel size, the lot minimum lot 319 00:14:04,320 --> 00:14:06,959 size is 5,000 square ft. In suburban 320 00:14:06,959 --> 00:14:08,560 residential, the minimum lot size is 321 00:14:08,560 --> 00:14:11,360 10,000 square feet. 322 00:14:11,360 --> 00:14:14,240 Go ahead and move on. 323 00:14:14,240 --> 00:14:15,920 So there were quite there were some 324 00:14:15,920 --> 00:14:17,360 written comments. We received three 325 00:14:17,360 --> 00:14:19,279 written comments from people that live 326 00:14:19,279 --> 00:14:21,279 in the vicinity about different issues 327 00:14:21,279 --> 00:14:23,199 and one of the topics that keeps 328 00:14:23,199 --> 00:14:27,839 recurring uh is uh the traffic situation 329 00:14:27,839 --> 00:14:30,639 and also the visibility out there. uh 330 00:14:30,639 --> 00:14:33,839 the applicant in their proposal has has 331 00:14:33,839 --> 00:14:36,240 actually part of what they had to do was 332 00:14:36,240 --> 00:14:39,360 a a traffic impact analysis and they had 333 00:14:39,360 --> 00:14:41,519 to set forth how they would mitigate for 334 00:14:41,519 --> 00:14:43,360 those concerns and they actually also 335 00:14:43,360 --> 00:14:45,760 raised those concerns as well based on 336 00:14:45,760 --> 00:14:48,959 ODOT's data and other sources. Uh this 337 00:14:48,959 --> 00:14:51,279 is I'm if I were standing taking this 338 00:14:51,279 --> 00:14:53,839 picture I'd be on 140 heading towards 339 00:14:53,839 --> 00:14:55,519 Clamoth. You see on the right hand side 340 00:14:55,519 --> 00:14:57,920 the blue sign and in front of you you 341 00:14:57,920 --> 00:15:00,320 see behind that you see the mailbox 342 00:15:00,320 --> 00:15:02,240 right about there is if this were 343 00:15:02,240 --> 00:15:04,399 approved and if the subdivision were 344 00:15:04,399 --> 00:15:06,959 constructed that is where the access 345 00:15:06,959 --> 00:15:08,880 point would be off of 140 is right at 346 00:15:08,880 --> 00:15:11,680 that red that black mailbox 347 00:15:11,680 --> 00:15:16,230 uh more or less. 348 00:15:16,240 --> 00:15:19,279 Now um as part of that traffic impact 349 00:15:19,279 --> 00:15:20,800 analysis 350 00:15:20,800 --> 00:15:24,399 uh they had to look at what based on 351 00:15:24,399 --> 00:15:27,519 ODOT's data and other sources how many 352 00:15:27,519 --> 00:15:29,279 uh distance site distance feet would 353 00:15:29,279 --> 00:15:32,000 need to be had both to the west and to 354 00:15:32,000 --> 00:15:34,160 the east both for you know right and 355 00:15:34,160 --> 00:15:36,720 left turns coming into that access point 356 00:15:36,720 --> 00:15:40,320 to be safe and the highest standard was 357 00:15:40,320 --> 00:15:44,079 690 ft on the west 720 ft on the east. 358 00:15:44,079 --> 00:15:47,279 The actual sight distances are 950 feet 359 00:15:47,279 --> 00:15:50,399 on the west and 1,200 feet on the east. 360 00:15:50,399 --> 00:15:52,720 So it exceeds what's actually there on 361 00:15:52,720 --> 00:15:55,199 the ground exceeds what's required for a 362 00:15:55,199 --> 00:15:58,000 safe turn. And they did the same thing 363 00:15:58,000 --> 00:15:59,920 in that traffic impact analysis. They 364 00:15:59,920 --> 00:16:01,920 did the same thing on the Hillier 365 00:16:01,920 --> 00:16:03,759 intersection. 366 00:16:03,759 --> 00:16:06,320 Go ahead. 367 00:16:06,320 --> 00:16:09,440 >> And did they have those same results? 368 00:16:09,440 --> 00:16:12,240 they exceeded the the the actual sight 369 00:16:12,240 --> 00:16:14,320 distance has exceeded what the threshold 370 00:16:14,320 --> 00:16:18,079 was that was recommended. 371 00:16:18,079 --> 00:16:19,759 >> So here's pictures. I don't think that's 372 00:16:19,759 --> 00:16:22,320 the same mailbox necessarily, but maybe 373 00:16:22,320 --> 00:16:23,279 it is. But 374 00:16:23,279 --> 00:16:25,440 >> can I ask one more question? 375 00:16:25,440 --> 00:16:30,639 >> U so did the traffic study include and 376 00:16:30,639 --> 00:16:32,079 maybe this is a question for the 377 00:16:32,079 --> 00:16:34,800 applicant. I apologize 378 00:16:34,800 --> 00:16:39,360 that's the case. Did it include the uh 379 00:16:39,360 --> 00:16:40,800 traffic that was going to be coming out 380 00:16:40,800 --> 00:16:43,920 of Hidden Valley at the same time? 381 00:16:43,920 --> 00:16:46,320 >> Um it took Yes, it definitely took that 382 00:16:46,320 --> 00:16:50,880 into consideration. It took all those factors into consideration, 383 00:16:50,880 --> 00:16:52,959 but it it specifically is for looking at 384 00:16:52,959 --> 00:16:55,440 the new development. Um you know, Hidden 385 00:16:55,440 --> 00:16:57,279 Valley had to do I I believe they had to 386 00:16:57,279 --> 00:16:58,959 do the same thing when they got 387 00:16:58,959 --> 00:17:01,680 subdivided with traffic impact study. So 388 00:17:01,680 --> 00:17:04,720 the idea behind those is um the 389 00:17:04,720 --> 00:17:08,160 developer pays for things like the 390 00:17:08,160 --> 00:17:10,640 things that are meant to mitigate for an 391 00:17:10,640 --> 00:17:12,480 increase in traffic. The general 392 00:17:12,480 --> 00:17:14,559 taxpayer doesn't pay that. The developer 393 00:17:14,559 --> 00:17:18,160 pays that. Um this is uh photos taken by 394 00:17:18,160 --> 00:17:20,480 the traffic engineer who who prepared 395 00:17:20,480 --> 00:17:22,559 that study. Uh I don't know if that's 396 00:17:22,559 --> 00:17:24,640 the same black mailbox. I don't think it 397 00:17:24,640 --> 00:17:25,199 is. 398 00:17:25,199 --> 00:17:26,799 >> Yeah, that's the back of the sign. 399 00:17:26,799 --> 00:17:29,360 >> Okay. Oh, I see. Okay. So that's uh well 400 00:17:29,360 --> 00:17:31,440 that's looking east then the picture on 401 00:17:31,440 --> 00:17:33,360 the left and the picture on the right is 402 00:17:33,360 --> 00:17:36,720 looking west. Um and of course when they 403 00:17:36,720 --> 00:17:38,799 do that they don't just consider 404 00:17:38,799 --> 00:17:41,039 horizontal curves but they also consider 405 00:17:41,039 --> 00:17:42,880 vertical curves because there are places 406 00:17:42,880 --> 00:17:45,840 along 140 where 407 00:17:45,840 --> 00:17:48,160 there's a hump in the road and you 408 00:17:48,160 --> 00:17:50,799 cannot see well beyond it. also takes 409 00:17:50,799 --> 00:17:53,280 into account the speed limit and it's a 410 00:17:53,280 --> 00:17:55,919 safe stopping distance would be the way 411 00:17:55,919 --> 00:17:58,320 to say it based on the speed limit. 412 00:17:58,320 --> 00:18:00,000 >> So there were all those variables what 413 00:18:00,000 --> 00:18:01,360 he just mentioned with the speed limit 414 00:18:01,360 --> 00:18:03,280 whatever and they took the highest of 415 00:18:03,280 --> 00:18:05,039 those which was the numbers that I just 416 00:18:05,039 --> 00:18:07,200 gave you. That way there would be no 417 00:18:07,200 --> 00:18:09,600 question that that was still a safe 418 00:18:09,600 --> 00:18:11,280 distance. 419 00:18:11,280 --> 00:18:12,880 Next slide. 420 00:18:12,880 --> 00:18:15,440 >> Yeah. in in this area here. Is it still 421 00:18:15,440 --> 00:18:21,110 a 55 zone or 422 00:18:21,120 --> 00:18:22,559 » I don't know. 423 00:18:22,559 --> 00:18:26,240 >> It's 50 in one direction and um 424 00:18:26,240 --> 00:18:26,960 >> it's crazy. 425 00:18:26,960 --> 00:18:29,120 >> Yeah, I believe 45 in the other 426 00:18:29,120 --> 00:18:30,799 direction is what the traffic study 427 00:18:30,799 --> 00:18:31,039 says. 428 00:18:31,039 --> 00:18:34,080 >> Yeah, 45 going into Yeah. 429 00:18:34,080 --> 00:18:37,039 So, what the solution was to that and 430 00:18:37,039 --> 00:18:39,039 what the applicant proposed and what the 431 00:18:39,039 --> 00:18:42,400 applicant would have to build is a two 432 00:18:42,400 --> 00:18:47,440 TWWLT, a two two-way left turn lane um 433 00:18:47,440 --> 00:18:51,200 for quite a distance there to allow 434 00:18:51,200 --> 00:18:53,440 traffic to basically that's heading 435 00:18:53,440 --> 00:18:56,080 eastbound to make a left-hand turn into 436 00:18:56,080 --> 00:18:59,360 the subdivision. And um I guess if 437 00:18:59,360 --> 00:19:01,280 traffic were heading westbound, there 438 00:19:01,280 --> 00:19:03,120 are homes along there that could also 439 00:19:03,120 --> 00:19:05,120 utilize that lane. 440 00:19:05,120 --> 00:19:08,240 >> So would that require widening of 140? 441 00:19:08,240 --> 00:19:08,720 >> Mhm. 442 00:19:08,720 --> 00:19:10,320 >> Okay. 443 00:19:10,320 --> 00:19:13,840 >> Now the it should be noted that uh the 444 00:19:13,840 --> 00:19:16,559 particular so Mr. Horton who's the 445 00:19:16,559 --> 00:19:18,559 applicant Daniel R. Horton not to be 446 00:19:18,559 --> 00:19:20,640 confused with Dr. Horton who is the 447 00:19:20,640 --> 00:19:22,640 nation's largest home builder because we 448 00:19:22,640 --> 00:19:24,160 were there was some confusion there when 449 00:19:24,160 --> 00:19:25,600 people got that that they thought this 450 00:19:25,600 --> 00:19:27,679 was a big corporate deal. His family has 451 00:19:27,679 --> 00:19:29,679 owned that particular piece on the south 452 00:19:29,679 --> 00:19:32,160 for half a century. So there are a lot 453 00:19:32,160 --> 00:19:34,799 of grand they owned that when 140 was a 454 00:19:34,799 --> 00:19:37,039 very much smaller road and highway and 455 00:19:37,039 --> 00:19:38,400 so there are a lot of grandfathered 456 00:19:38,400 --> 00:19:40,720 access points. Currently there are three 457 00:19:40,720 --> 00:19:42,720 ODOT access points that would be 458 00:19:42,720 --> 00:19:45,600 consolidated into one single one. So 459 00:19:45,600 --> 00:19:47,760 right now the the owner of that land has 460 00:19:47,760 --> 00:19:49,760 the ability to to exit at three 461 00:19:49,760 --> 00:19:52,160 different stages along there. That's not 462 00:19:52,160 --> 00:19:53,760 a safe thing to have when you have a 463 00:19:53,760 --> 00:19:54,960 development with people coming and 464 00:19:54,960 --> 00:19:58,960 going. You want to narrow it down to one way in and one way or one way in 465 00:19:58,960 --> 00:20:00,960 that's dedicated for that and that's 466 00:20:00,960 --> 00:20:03,280 that that's what the plans are if this 467 00:20:03,280 --> 00:20:06,000 is approved 468 00:20:06,000 --> 00:20:08,000 >> and go to the next slide. 469 00:20:08,000 --> 00:20:08,640 >> So that was 470 00:20:08,640 --> 00:20:10,080 >> Oh, and this is Hillyard too. I mean 471 00:20:10,080 --> 00:20:12,400 Hillyard's got so many issues but uh 472 00:20:12,400 --> 00:20:14,160 that are have nothing to do with this 473 00:20:14,160 --> 00:20:16,080 development but you know there's I think 474 00:20:16,080 --> 00:20:18,880 there's a long-term solution that has to 475 00:20:18,880 --> 00:20:20,720 be done you know that's been in 476 00:20:20,720 --> 00:20:22,400 discussion with a long time with ODOT. 477 00:20:22,400 --> 00:20:23,919 You know all about that, Jeremy, and I 478 00:20:23,919 --> 00:20:25,200 don't know if you want to elaborate on 479 00:20:25,200 --> 00:20:28,000 it, but for purposes of this, again, 480 00:20:28,000 --> 00:20:30,159 you're strictly looking at sight lines 481 00:20:30,159 --> 00:20:32,799 and distances and things of that nature, 482 00:20:32,799 --> 00:20:37,840 but it's um that that's 483 00:20:37,840 --> 00:20:39,360 something in need of a long-term 484 00:20:39,360 --> 00:20:43,200 solution. So the whenever a a zone is 485 00:20:43,200 --> 00:20:45,679 changed, proposed to be changed or a a 486 00:20:45,679 --> 00:20:46,880 development [clears throat] 487 00:20:46,880 --> 00:20:49,440 um is proposed a commercial development 488 00:20:49,440 --> 00:20:50,960 there's always the need to do a 489 00:20:50,960 --> 00:20:53,600 transportation planning rule analysis 490 00:20:53,600 --> 00:20:56,080 and that is to first of all look and see 491 00:20:56,080 --> 00:20:59,600 if the development is going to uh to see 492 00:20:59,600 --> 00:21:01,520 what trip generation is caused by the 493 00:21:01,520 --> 00:21:04,559 development meaning how many more 494 00:21:04,559 --> 00:21:06,559 average daily trips of cars you have and 495 00:21:06,559 --> 00:21:08,640 how many peak hour trips you have. And 496 00:21:08,640 --> 00:21:11,600 in this case that was triggered. Some 497 00:21:11,600 --> 00:21:13,280 cases on small developments you don't 498 00:21:13,280 --> 00:21:15,200 have to get into the whole weeds of a 499 00:21:15,200 --> 00:21:19,440 traffic impact analysis because it's on a much smaller scale. But in 500 00:21:19,440 --> 00:21:22,240 this case uh that got triggered for both 501 00:21:22,240 --> 00:21:25,919 um phase one and phase two. So that's 502 00:21:25,919 --> 00:21:28,240 what required the traffic impact 503 00:21:28,240 --> 00:21:31,360 analysis which is a fairly large ordeal. 504 00:21:31,360 --> 00:21:32,880 And I don't know how many of you have 505 00:21:32,880 --> 00:21:35,280 looked at these are available uh for 506 00:21:35,280 --> 00:21:36,799 anybody that wants to request the full 507 00:21:36,799 --> 00:21:39,360 file. Um and it can be sent 508 00:21:39,360 --> 00:21:41,520 electronically. I have sent a few out 509 00:21:41,520 --> 00:21:44,159 but um the whole traffic impact analysis 510 00:21:44,159 --> 00:21:46,240 in there where they were able to come to 511 00:21:46,240 --> 00:21:49,679 the conclusions they were um we should 512 00:21:49,679 --> 00:21:52,559 talk about intensity of uses because 513 00:21:52,559 --> 00:21:54,320 that is something that they're doing in 514 00:21:54,320 --> 00:21:56,000 this case is they're taking a commercial 515 00:21:56,000 --> 00:21:58,720 zone which in zoning you have a 516 00:21:58,720 --> 00:22:01,520 hierarchy. You have industrial as the 517 00:22:01,520 --> 00:22:03,679 most intensive of use, meaning you can 518 00:22:03,679 --> 00:22:07,280 have large or very loud noises. Uh very 519 00:22:07,280 --> 00:22:10,960 unsight unsightly uh going on. You can 520 00:22:10,960 --> 00:22:13,280 have really bad smells, things like 521 00:22:13,280 --> 00:22:15,919 that. You know, industrial plants, 522 00:22:15,919 --> 00:22:17,600 logging mills, all those kinds of 523 00:22:17,600 --> 00:22:19,840 things. That's the most intense use. 524 00:22:19,840 --> 00:22:22,480 Below that is commercial and below that 525 00:22:22,480 --> 00:22:26,960 is residential. So in this case, the the request to zone from commercial to 526 00:22:26,960 --> 00:22:29,200 residential is actually called a down 527 00:22:29,200 --> 00:22:30,960 zone, which means it's a less intensive 528 00:22:30,960 --> 00:22:34,000 use of the land. And that plays into a 529 00:22:34,000 --> 00:22:36,159 lot of the analysis that has to be done. 530 00:22:36,159 --> 00:22:38,240 There's a lot of scrutiny going that's 531 00:22:38,240 --> 00:22:39,440 required when you're actually trying to 532 00:22:39,440 --> 00:22:41,919 upzone and go from say residential to 533 00:22:41,919 --> 00:22:43,200 commercial because that usually means 534 00:22:43,200 --> 00:22:44,720 that there's going to be a lot more 535 00:22:44,720 --> 00:22:47,520 conflicting uses, but residential is on 536 00:22:47,520 --> 00:22:49,120 the bottom of the totem pole when it 537 00:22:49,120 --> 00:22:54,149 comes to intensity. 538 00:22:54,159 --> 00:22:56,000 So the because this is in the urban 539 00:22:56,000 --> 00:22:57,280 growth boundary, there's actually a 540 00:22:57,280 --> 00:22:59,840 different methodology that we use to 541 00:22:59,840 --> 00:23:01,679 analyze it rather than the normal zone 542 00:23:01,679 --> 00:23:04,000 change we in the past. I don't we don't 543 00:23:04,000 --> 00:23:05,280 often do them in the urban growth 544 00:23:05,280 --> 00:23:07,200 boundary, but in the past when when 545 00:23:07,200 --> 00:23:09,679 we're analyzing the comprehensive plan, 546 00:23:09,679 --> 00:23:12,640 that's whether something is C, R, or I, 547 00:23:12,640 --> 00:23:14,159 whether it's commercial, residential, or 548 00:23:14,159 --> 00:23:16,880 industrial in the urban context and 549 00:23:16,880 --> 00:23:17,919 whether [clears throat] that can change 550 00:23:17,919 --> 00:23:20,480 on the overall map. And this this is the 551 00:23:20,480 --> 00:23:22,559 traditional criteria and we can I have 552 00:23:22,559 --> 00:23:24,080 it on there so we can come back to it if 553 00:23:24,080 --> 00:23:25,679 we need to do that in the course of 554 00:23:25,679 --> 00:23:29,520 conversation. But um the uh because it's 555 00:23:29,520 --> 00:23:32,720 in the urban growth boundary you adopted 556 00:23:32,720 --> 00:23:34,960 u I think was it two years less than two 557 00:23:34,960 --> 00:23:38,480 years ago the Clamoth Falls urban area 558 00:23:38,480 --> 00:23:40,400 um 559 00:23:40,400 --> 00:23:42,159 >> transportation master plan 560 00:23:42,159 --> 00:23:44,720 >> that that but also the urban area 561 00:23:44,720 --> 00:23:46,080 comprehensive plan. 562 00:23:46,080 --> 00:23:49,360 >> Mhm. And that was a very large document 563 00:23:49,360 --> 00:23:50,799 that was put together in conjunction 564 00:23:50,799 --> 00:23:53,360 with the city of Climate Falls to try to 565 00:23:53,360 --> 00:23:56,240 make more harmonious um things like zone 566 00:23:56,240 --> 00:23:58,480 changes in that environment and as well 567 00:23:58,480 --> 00:24:00,880 as the actual zone designations and 568 00:24:00,880 --> 00:24:03,919 things of that nature. Um because that's 569 00:24:03,919 --> 00:24:07,039 there there's two methodologies. One is 570 00:24:07,039 --> 00:24:10,320 the applicant can try to um be annexed 571 00:24:10,320 --> 00:24:12,400 into the city and this and then go from 572 00:24:12,400 --> 00:24:15,279 there which is not feasible in this case 573 00:24:15,279 --> 00:24:17,279 because the city limits are a long 574 00:24:17,279 --> 00:24:20,240 distance away or the applicant can u and 575 00:24:20,240 --> 00:24:22,080 they have to be contiguous or the 576 00:24:22,080 --> 00:24:24,159 applicant can go ahead and use the 577 00:24:24,159 --> 00:24:26,960 criteria in there for a zone change um 578 00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:28,480 as opposed to the traditional county 579 00:24:28,480 --> 00:24:30,240 criteria. 580 00:24:30,240 --> 00:24:32,960 uh with an abundance of caution the 581 00:24:32,960 --> 00:24:34,720 applicant offered up both in their 582 00:24:34,720 --> 00:24:37,520 application both analyses uh based on 583 00:24:37,520 --> 00:24:40,159 the traditional criteria and and this 584 00:24:40,159 --> 00:24:43,520 new one. The next slide is just the 585 00:24:43,520 --> 00:24:45,919 traditional zone change criteria which 586 00:24:45,919 --> 00:24:48,000 closely aligns with the comprehensive 587 00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:51,360 plan criteria. You can move on from 588 00:24:51,360 --> 00:24:52,720 there. 589 00:24:52,720 --> 00:24:54,799 So, in the past when we've looked at 590 00:24:54,799 --> 00:24:56,480 zone changes, we've often talked about 591 00:24:56,480 --> 00:24:59,520 exceptions. Uh the asbuilt, the 592 00:24:59,520 --> 00:25:03,200 irrevocid, the reasons exception. 593 00:25:03,200 --> 00:25:05,679 We don't do that here. Um that's only 594 00:25:05,679 --> 00:25:08,799 when we're going from uh resource land 595 00:25:08,799 --> 00:25:12,720 like forestry or or EFU to something 596 00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:15,760 like um residential or a map amendment 597 00:25:15,760 --> 00:25:18,240 because the power plant's too big than 598 00:25:18,240 --> 00:25:20,880 it's normally required. So, or you know, 599 00:25:20,880 --> 00:25:22,640 the one that didn't go through was of 600 00:25:22,640 --> 00:25:25,360 trying to change EFU to transportation 601 00:25:25,360 --> 00:25:27,679 commercial. Uh, so you guys have heard a 602 00:25:27,679 --> 00:25:30,080 lot about those exceptions. Uh, we don't 603 00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:31,840 and those are hard to get by. Those have 604 00:25:31,840 --> 00:25:33,520 to those you have to have a there's a 605 00:25:33,520 --> 00:25:35,440 high standard or high high threshold to 606 00:25:35,440 --> 00:25:36,799 meet in order to be [clears throat] 607 00:25:36,799 --> 00:25:38,720 successful with those in this 608 00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:40,400 environment because we're not changing 609 00:25:40,400 --> 00:25:42,720 we're not taking any kind of a resource 610 00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:45,679 land out of resource use. Even though I 611 00:25:45,679 --> 00:25:48,240 mean I admit it is farmed ground and 612 00:25:48,240 --> 00:25:50,080 everything else, but it is commercially 613 00:25:50,080 --> 00:25:52,960 zoned land set aside years ago with that 614 00:25:52,960 --> 00:25:55,039 zoning design as a nation for from for 615 00:25:55,039 --> 00:25:57,039 future commercial development. But 616 00:25:57,039 --> 00:25:58,799 because we're not actually ch taking 617 00:25:58,799 --> 00:26:01,360 changing the zone from resource, we 618 00:26:01,360 --> 00:26:03,600 don't need to worry about those. Um what 619 00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:06,320 we do dive into is the Clamoth Falls 620 00:26:06,320 --> 00:26:09,760 urban area comprehensive plan and um 621 00:26:09,760 --> 00:26:13,039 some of the this is a very 622 00:26:13,039 --> 00:26:16,640 brief summary but are very tended to be 623 00:26:16,640 --> 00:26:19,200 kind of short but some of the things 624 00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:22,159 that you look at is you well I think 625 00:26:22,159 --> 00:26:25,679 that that would be is that newly adopted 626 00:26:25,679 --> 00:26:27,120 one is decisive over the general 627 00:26:27,120 --> 00:26:29,120 comprehensive plans by either the city 628 00:26:29,120 --> 00:26:30,480 or the county. So that's what they have 629 00:26:30,480 --> 00:26:33,360 by agreement and by legislation both by 630 00:26:33,360 --> 00:26:35,360 you and by the city council have agreed 631 00:26:35,360 --> 00:26:37,360 to beat the standard for zone changes. 632 00:26:37,360 --> 00:26:38,960 You look to see if it's an up zone 633 00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:42,080 versus a down zone. Upzones high 634 00:26:42,080 --> 00:26:45,440 standard to meet. Down zones um there's 635 00:26:45,440 --> 00:26:47,840 a lot less requirements. Uh the 636 00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:49,520 background materials must be looked at 637 00:26:49,520 --> 00:26:51,600 to support it. In this case, there were 638 00:26:51,600 --> 00:26:54,080 two documents that were part of that 639 00:26:54,080 --> 00:26:57,679 urban area growth um urban area 640 00:26:57,679 --> 00:27:00,559 comprehensive plan. That was the HNA, 641 00:27:00,559 --> 00:27:03,200 the housing needs analysis. Sorry to 642 00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:06,960 overdo with uh acronyms here. The EOA, 643 00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:09,840 which was the uh employment 644 00:27:09,840 --> 00:27:12,240 opportunities analysis. Those were both 645 00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:14,159 done over the last half decade to see 646 00:27:14,159 --> 00:27:16,480 what kind of housing stocks the Clamoth 647 00:27:16,480 --> 00:27:18,880 area had and what kind they needed. Some 648 00:27:18,880 --> 00:27:20,960 of the the conclusions from that were 649 00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:22,320 that they had too much suburban 650 00:27:22,320 --> 00:27:25,919 residential, not enough of the medium 651 00:27:25,919 --> 00:27:28,720 and highdensity residential zones. 652 00:27:28,720 --> 00:27:30,880 That was in the housing use analysis. 653 00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:33,120 The EOA um it was determined that there 654 00:27:33,120 --> 00:27:35,039 were large stocks of commercial and 655 00:27:35,039 --> 00:27:38,480 industrial zone land um and actually too 656 00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:40,240 much commercial that didn't look like it 657 00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:42,480 was going to be developed anytime soon. 658 00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:44,960 Uh when you look at this area we're at 659 00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:47,679 right now, uh on the south side, we've 660 00:27:47,679 --> 00:27:49,840 had a number of proposals come across 661 00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:51,520 the desk and never make it further than 662 00:27:51,520 --> 00:27:53,679 that than just ideas because on the 663 00:27:53,679 --> 00:27:56,399 south side you have it's all zone 664 00:27:56,399 --> 00:27:58,240 commercial with that intersection. You 665 00:27:58,240 --> 00:27:59,919 have very it's very difficult to get in 666 00:27:59,919 --> 00:28:02,000 and out for people to come to go to a 667 00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:04,080 store or anything like that. So there's 668 00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:05,520 not much that can be done. Now we're not 669 00:28:05,520 --> 00:28:07,200 talking about the south side, but it's 670 00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:08,880 very you're in a similar situation on 671 00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:11,919 the north side. Um, what could go there 672 00:28:11,919 --> 00:28:14,000 today without having to do any kind of a 673 00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:17,679 zone change or at all would be a Costco. 674 00:28:17,679 --> 00:28:20,320 I don't know if 16 acres or 17 is enough 675 00:28:20,320 --> 00:28:22,240 with all the drainage and pay parking 676 00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:24,240 lot or something like that, but a big 677 00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:26,320 box store could. So, when you're looking 678 00:28:26,320 --> 00:28:27,919 at what are the options there for the 679 00:28:27,919 --> 00:28:29,840 future, 680 00:28:29,840 --> 00:28:31,520 it's not going to continue to be an 681 00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:34,159 open. It just is not. It's going to 682 00:28:34,159 --> 00:28:35,520 either be housing or it's going to be 683 00:28:35,520 --> 00:28:38,159 some kind of a commercial facility. And 684 00:28:38,159 --> 00:28:39,679 that could include a lot of things as 685 00:28:39,679 --> 00:28:41,990 well. 686 00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:43,600 That's all I had for the moment. 687 00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:45,840 >> Okay. So, does it does anybody have any 688 00:28:45,840 --> 00:28:47,360 questions for staff? 689 00:28:47,360 --> 00:28:48,720 >> Yeah, I may have one general question. 690 00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:49,600 Go ahead, Joe. 691 00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:52,000 >> Um, can you think of any comparable 692 00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:54,480 subdivisions with highway access that 693 00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:57,039 this uh proposed 118 lots could be 694 00:28:57,039 --> 00:28:59,919 compared to like a south view or 695 00:28:59,919 --> 00:29:01,679 >> almost all of them? 696 00:29:01,679 --> 00:29:03,600 >> I mean, okay, look at Pine Grove as far 697 00:29:03,600 --> 00:29:04,799 as points in and points out. 698 00:29:04,799 --> 00:29:06,960 >> Yeah. No, not like traffic, amount of 699 00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:08,960 traffic that would be generated. 700 00:29:08,960 --> 00:29:11,520 >> Oh. Um well uh 701 00:29:11,520 --> 00:29:12,880 >> yeah South View 702 00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:14,159 >> Ridgewater 703 00:29:14,159 --> 00:29:15,440 >> most of them are in the city's 704 00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:16,960 jurisdiction like both of those are 705 00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:18,240 South and Ridgewwater 706 00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:19,919 >> running wise quite a bit larger than 707 00:29:19,919 --> 00:29:22,720 that. 708 00:29:22,720 --> 00:29:24,559 >> Um other than that I can't think of 709 00:29:24,559 --> 00:29:27,039 anything that in the suburbs usually we 710 00:29:27,039 --> 00:29:28,720 have smaller subdivisions. I mean I 711 00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:31,440 would consider this one to be kind of an 712 00:29:31,440 --> 00:29:32,799 infill subdivision. 713 00:29:32,799 --> 00:29:33,279 >> Yeah. 714 00:29:33,279 --> 00:29:34,720 >> With the smaller lot sizes. 715 00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:35,840 >> Yeah. just going for if you're going to 716 00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:37,520 put yourself in the mindset of how much 717 00:29:37,520 --> 00:29:40,799 traffic you know what to envision like 718 00:29:40,799 --> 00:29:43,840 cruise cruising by the running Y and 719 00:29:43,840 --> 00:29:46,399 South view is that comparable or is that 720 00:29:46,399 --> 00:29:47,919 more traffic than what this would 721 00:29:47,919 --> 00:29:48,960 generate? 722 00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:52,799 >> Oh, I think um South View or Ridgewater 723 00:29:52,799 --> 00:29:57,039 are probably similar running wise 950 724 00:29:57,039 --> 00:29:58,640 lots or something like that plus 725 00:29:58,640 --> 00:30:01,120 commercial plus a resort plus you know 726 00:30:01,120 --> 00:30:04,240 golf course. running wise probably 10 727 00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:07,200 times more traffic but 728 00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:07,919 >> maybe 729 00:30:07,919 --> 00:30:10,559 >> yeah Shield Crest even though I mean 730 00:30:10,559 --> 00:30:12,159 it's got a golf course and a commercial 731 00:30:12,159 --> 00:30:14,640 area so it's that those amenities are 732 00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:18,950 attracting more people 733 00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:23,039 » so I want to do one thing uh Jim can Jim 734 00:30:23,039 --> 00:30:24,799 hear us 735 00:30:24,799 --> 00:30:28,080 can he talk Jim can you hear us uh he's 736 00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:28,480 mute 737 00:30:28,480 --> 00:30:32,950 >> you're on mute Jim 738 00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:35,919 Yeah, 739 00:30:35,919 --> 00:30:37,760 >> frozen. 740 00:30:37,760 --> 00:30:40,399 >> Is he there? 741 00:30:40,399 --> 00:30:42,710 >> Yeah. [clears throat] 742 00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:44,240 » Okay. Well, I was going to bring him in 743 00:30:44,240 --> 00:30:46,320 and we didn't hear from him on the 744 00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:48,559 creation of the meeting as to whether he 745 00:30:48,559 --> 00:30:51,919 had exparte contact interest or bias. 746 00:30:51,919 --> 00:30:52,320 >> Sure. 747 00:30:52,320 --> 00:30:53,760 >> And so I'm wondering if he can hear us 748 00:30:53,760 --> 00:30:58,080 or can speak to us at all. 749 00:30:58,080 --> 00:31:01,279 >> Believe I have a bell. Don't you have 750 00:31:01,279 --> 00:31:04,880 >> I got a short question while we're wait 751 00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:07,760 phase one ends quite a way hillyard is 752 00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:09,919 this haven crest going to be taken up to 753 00:31:09,919 --> 00:31:12,320 d in phase one [snorts] 754 00:31:12,320 --> 00:31:14,720 >> so no phase one 755 00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:17,360 >> one point outlet for phase one 756 00:31:17,360 --> 00:31:20,000 >> well here's here's a little bit of a I 757 00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:22,799 should back up as well uh this there's 758 00:31:22,799 --> 00:31:26,000 going to be another hearing next month 759 00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:28,000 because when I send out notices to 760 00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:29,039 agencies 761 00:31:29,039 --> 00:31:30,799 and departments and jurisdictions. We 762 00:31:30,799 --> 00:31:32,640 don't we give people notice within a 763 00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:35,520 certain distance of uh the property. We 764 00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:38,720 also send that out. I um made a mistake 765 00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:40,799 and and thought that I sent it to ODOT. 766 00:31:40,799 --> 00:31:42,799 I did not. But I didn't discover that 767 00:31:42,799 --> 00:31:45,039 until two weeks after. So I talked to 768 00:31:45,039 --> 00:31:48,799 ODOT. So um ODOT is going has been 769 00:31:48,799 --> 00:31:50,559 meeting about that and there will have 770 00:31:50,559 --> 00:31:53,760 more to present next time. They're uh 771 00:31:53,760 --> 00:31:57,600 what ODOT's mostly concerned about is um 772 00:31:57,600 --> 00:31:59,600 obviously the traffic and access, but 773 00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:01,840 they get into the nitty-gritty too. And 774 00:32:01,840 --> 00:32:03,360 that I bring that all up because I 775 00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:05,679 wanted to let you know. So, we're going 776 00:32:05,679 --> 00:32:08,720 to continue this hearing um hopefully 777 00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:11,039 after the zone change is decided on 778 00:32:11,039 --> 00:32:14,159 continue the hearing for next month and 779 00:32:14,159 --> 00:32:17,600 at the same time um we'll call it 780 00:32:17,600 --> 00:32:19,360 bifurcated. And often times that's the 781 00:32:19,360 --> 00:32:21,120 case with these combined hearings 782 00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:22,640 because the zone change and the 783 00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:24,960 subdivision itself. Subdivisions relying 784 00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:26,399 on the zone change. If the zone change 785 00:32:26,399 --> 00:32:27,519 is not approved, there's not going to be 786 00:32:27,519 --> 00:32:31,760 another hearing. Um and uh so anyway, 787 00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:34,640 that's uh and talk more about that. ODOT 788 00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:37,600 does not want Hillyard people coming 789 00:32:37,600 --> 00:32:39,679 through on Hillyard on phase two to be 790 00:32:39,679 --> 00:32:41,840 able to drive over across the little 791 00:32:41,840 --> 00:32:43,679 connection there that connects these two 792 00:32:43,679 --> 00:32:46,720 main areas to be able to go on to 140. 793 00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:49,120 ODOT only wants the people in these 794 00:32:49,120 --> 00:32:52,559 three tax lots that you see that's on 795 00:32:52,559 --> 00:32:54,640 the on the west side that are in red and 796 00:32:54,640 --> 00:32:56,640 a little bit of yellow above that on the 797 00:32:56,640 --> 00:33:00,549 other side of the canal 798 00:33:00,559 --> 00:33:03,600 » right there. Can you see that? 799 00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:05,679 ODOT only wants people in there to come 800 00:33:05,679 --> 00:33:08,000 off of 140. He doesn't want people to 801 00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:09,919 come down Hillyard and go over and go 802 00:33:09,919 --> 00:33:13,200 there. It doesn't want people to um and 803 00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:15,519 vice versa. doesn't want people that are 804 00:33:15,519 --> 00:33:19,200 in this area to go up here and go there. 805 00:33:19,200 --> 00:33:21,919 Normally, you want have to have multiple 806 00:33:21,919 --> 00:33:24,080 you have want to have good circulation 807 00:33:24,080 --> 00:33:26,159 options to go in and out. What the 808 00:33:26,159 --> 00:33:28,320 applicant has proposed is to put what's 809 00:33:28,320 --> 00:33:30,799 called a temporary street plug right 810 00:33:30,799 --> 00:33:34,559 there which is basically a gate and 811 00:33:34,559 --> 00:33:37,120 until it could be until ODOT feels 812 00:33:37,120 --> 00:33:39,120 comfortable with allowing that 813 00:33:39,120 --> 00:33:42,559 circulation flow and go so that those 814 00:33:42,559 --> 00:33:47,350 can are connected. 815 00:33:47,360 --> 00:33:53,750 Does that answer your question? 816 00:33:53,760 --> 00:33:56,240 So did you say that ODOT has not been 817 00:33:56,240 --> 00:33:58,320 consulted on this yet? 818 00:33:58,320 --> 00:34:02,559 >> So they so I should start off these these projects are multipleyear 819 00:34:02,559 --> 00:34:05,600 projects. This project um three years 820 00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:08,800 ago was being at the pre-application 821 00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:12,480 level when the applicant just owned this 822 00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:14,758 part right here. 823 00:34:14,758 --> 00:34:16,560 [snorts] Uh two years ago, I got an 824 00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:18,560 email from my that my was addressed to 825 00:34:18,560 --> 00:34:20,800 my predecessor about this ready to move 826 00:34:20,800 --> 00:34:21,919 forward. And I was like, what the heck 827 00:34:21,919 --> 00:34:23,280 are we talking about? Well, the 828 00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:25,200 applicant had purchased this from the 829 00:34:25,200 --> 00:34:26,800 school district right here. So, I wanted 830 00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:28,720 to combine those two things. [snorts] 831 00:34:28,720 --> 00:34:32,560 So, in summer of 2025, the applicant had 832 00:34:32,560 --> 00:34:34,079 a pre-app meeting, pre-application 833 00:34:34,079 --> 00:34:36,159 meeting, which is common with all the 834 00:34:36,159 --> 00:34:37,440 agencies, jurisdictions, and 835 00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:40,079 departments, including ODOT. ODOT 836 00:34:40,079 --> 00:34:42,079 weighed in at the time. ODOT gave its 837 00:34:42,079 --> 00:34:43,839 opinions. The main sticking point with 838 00:34:43,839 --> 00:34:46,399 ODOT is not access. It's just that 839 00:34:46,399 --> 00:34:49,679 circulation right there. 840 00:34:49,679 --> 00:34:53,599 >> So, the county has um circulation 841 00:34:53,599 --> 00:34:57,040 standards for subdivisions like this. 842 00:34:57,040 --> 00:34:58,800 It's in article 71 of the land 843 00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:01,839 development code and it does require 844 00:35:01,839 --> 00:35:05,359 interconnection of those because um more 845 00:35:05,359 --> 00:35:08,000 than uh I believe the thresholds more 846 00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:10,960 than 50 new lots needs a second way in 847 00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:15,040 and out and uh the fire district also 848 00:35:15,040 --> 00:35:17,520 commented that the state fire code has 849 00:35:17,520 --> 00:35:19,520 circulation standards that are similar 850 00:35:19,520 --> 00:35:23,430 to the counties. 851 00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:24,480 So 852 00:35:24,480 --> 00:35:26,480 >> basically it's a showdown between our 853 00:35:26,480 --> 00:35:30,000 county code and ODOT's 854 00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:32,640 statutes or administrative rules. 855 00:35:32,640 --> 00:35:35,440 >> So what what tell tell us about that 856 00:35:35,440 --> 00:35:37,520 water tank. Is that the city's water 857 00:35:37,520 --> 00:35:39,280 tank? this then yes there have been 858 00:35:39,280 --> 00:35:41,839 extensive convers discussions and deal 859 00:35:41,839 --> 00:35:44,000 with the city going back a number of 860 00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:46,560 years and that's the city's water tank 861 00:35:46,560 --> 00:35:49,040 and as part of this the uh there would 862 00:35:49,040 --> 00:35:51,920 have to be improvements made and the 863 00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:53,920 installation of a booster station that 864 00:35:53,920 --> 00:35:55,119 would be adequate to serve this 865 00:35:55,119 --> 00:35:56,960 subdivision but also would be adequate 866 00:35:56,960 --> 00:35:59,359 to serve future subdivisions or future 867 00:35:59,359 --> 00:36:02,079 development to the east um going 868 00:36:02,079 --> 00:36:03,680 forward. 869 00:36:03,680 --> 00:36:05,920 So, but there's some there's some sub 870 00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:08,000 substantial amount of money that needs 871 00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:11,280 to be paid by somebody, right? Because 872 00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:13,200 they have to put a lift station in that 873 00:36:13,200 --> 00:36:14,960 in order to get that water out to that 874 00:36:14,960 --> 00:36:16,960 water tank is my understanding. Is that 875 00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:18,079 what you understand to be? 876 00:36:18,079 --> 00:36:19,680 >> That's correct. Development is a very 877 00:36:19,680 --> 00:36:20,960 expensive thing. 878 00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:21,599 >> Yeah. 879 00:36:21,599 --> 00:36:23,280 >> And it's rare that 880 00:36:23,280 --> 00:36:25,920 >> Yeah. There's there's a full memo in the 881 00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:28,160 as one of the exhibits from the the 882 00:36:28,160 --> 00:36:30,560 water. It it already has a tank and a 883 00:36:30,560 --> 00:36:33,040 booster station. And my understanding is 884 00:36:33,040 --> 00:36:36,240 uh they it has one fire pump in it uh 885 00:36:36,240 --> 00:36:39,280 for redundancy purposes. The city had 886 00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:40,880 actually coordinated with Hidden Valley 887 00:36:40,880 --> 00:36:43,920 phase 2, you know, plus this subdivision 888 00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:47,119 to add the second fire pump uh for that. 889 00:36:47,119 --> 00:36:50,240 There's a whole analysis for um fire 890 00:36:50,240 --> 00:36:53,359 flow, water pressures, all of that. Um 891 00:36:53,359 --> 00:36:56,000 it's probably a 10page memo. It's in the 892 00:36:56,000 --> 00:36:58,079 exhibits. 893 00:36:58,079 --> 00:37:01,119 Now in and another question during that 894 00:37:01,119 --> 00:37:03,119 opportunity analysis that was done with 895 00:37:03,119 --> 00:37:04,640 the city and and the county in 896 00:37:04,640 --> 00:37:06,960 conjunction with it was my understanding 897 00:37:06,960 --> 00:37:09,599 that the they there were housing needs 898 00:37:09,599 --> 00:37:11,920 that were identified it during that 899 00:37:11,920 --> 00:37:16,240 analysis and that it was it was uh I 900 00:37:16,240 --> 00:37:17,920 believe what they came up with was we 901 00:37:17,920 --> 00:37:22,079 were 400 homes behind the curve 902 00:37:22,079 --> 00:37:23,680 but it was a big number. I don't 903 00:37:23,680 --> 00:37:25,760 remember what what what it was, but 904 00:37:25,760 --> 00:37:31,040 yeah, that touched on that EO economic opportunities analysis touched 905 00:37:31,040 --> 00:37:33,920 on housing as well, you know, because 906 00:37:33,920 --> 00:37:36,800 that goes hand in hand with workforce 907 00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:38,720 um and development. 908 00:37:38,720 --> 00:37:41,440 >> Okay, 909 00:37:41,440 --> 00:37:43,760 further questions here from the 910 00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:44,079 question. 911 00:37:44,079 --> 00:37:45,280 >> Go ahead, Jack. Jennifer, 912 00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:48,079 >> multiple times the city of Clamoth water 913 00:37:48,079 --> 00:37:50,079 weighed in in the application and the 914 00:37:50,079 --> 00:37:52,000 staff report as well as Enterprise 915 00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:53,599 Irrigation District. Can you tell me how 916 00:37:53,599 --> 00:37:56,240 those two play together in this 917 00:37:56,240 --> 00:37:57,280 situation? 918 00:37:57,280 --> 00:38:00,480 >> Well, so if the land the red area at 919 00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:03,040 least is inter is part of Enterprise 920 00:38:03,040 --> 00:38:04,880 Irrigation District. The district 921 00:38:04,880 --> 00:38:07,760 boundaries are the technical boundaries 922 00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:09,920 when they were you know decreed and came 923 00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:12,560 about are rectalinear and go like that. 924 00:38:12,560 --> 00:38:14,320 But I mean the actual areas that 925 00:38:14,320 --> 00:38:17,119 irrigated at least below the canal that 926 00:38:17,119 --> 00:38:19,200 area is irrigated and it has a water 927 00:38:19,200 --> 00:38:23,040 right and so um much like a huge amount 928 00:38:23,040 --> 00:38:24,560 of enterprise irrigation district is in 929 00:38:24,560 --> 00:38:28,079 the suburban area in small tracks and um 930 00:38:28,079 --> 00:38:30,000 they have water rights for surface water 931 00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:32,960 for your lawn and garden. When it comes 932 00:38:32,960 --> 00:38:34,800 to the drinking water obviously it's all 933 00:38:34,800 --> 00:38:36,800 city but what that can do is that can 934 00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:38,560 save if that's the case and that could 935 00:38:38,560 --> 00:38:41,119 be utilized. The problem is Enterprise 936 00:38:41,119 --> 00:38:43,760 is a B district year to year. You don't 937 00:38:43,760 --> 00:38:44,800 know if you're going to get water or 938 00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:46,560 not. So it's, you know, there's no 939 00:38:46,560 --> 00:38:48,160 certainty. But, you know, that could 940 00:38:48,160 --> 00:38:50,800 take care of the lawns and gardens and, 941 00:38:50,800 --> 00:38:52,640 you know, the there would be less demand 942 00:38:52,640 --> 00:38:55,200 on the city water for those kinds of 943 00:38:55,200 --> 00:38:56,560 things for sure. 944 00:38:56,560 --> 00:39:00,400 >> So, EID did have a letter in there 945 00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:02,160 requesting the developer install 946 00:39:02,160 --> 00:39:04,640 infrastructure to each lot to continue 947 00:39:04,640 --> 00:39:08,160 service of uh irrigation. So would that 948 00:39:08,160 --> 00:39:09,920 be just in the southern portion of the 949 00:39:09,920 --> 00:39:10,960 development? 950 00:39:10,960 --> 00:39:13,200 >> Yeah, for my research it would be um 951 00:39:13,200 --> 00:39:15,040 because in the northern portion there is 952 00:39:15,040 --> 00:39:16,480 a groundwater, right? But there's no 953 00:39:16,480 --> 00:39:17,440 surface water, right? 954 00:39:17,440 --> 00:39:19,599 >> And you'd have to pump it to get it 955 00:39:19,599 --> 00:39:21,680 uphill from the canal. 956 00:39:21,680 --> 00:39:24,320 >> There's an 81 ft elevation difference 957 00:39:24,320 --> 00:39:26,240 between the lowest part on this whole 958 00:39:26,240 --> 00:39:28,880 property and the highest part. So it is, 959 00:39:28,880 --> 00:39:30,560 you know, the the northern part is quite 960 00:39:30,560 --> 00:39:34,800 a bit higher. But um yeah, so normally 961 00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:37,280 when in that situation the city provides 962 00:39:37,280 --> 00:39:39,839 water for you know the meter the meter's 963 00:39:39,839 --> 00:39:41,680 ticking but the city provides water for 964 00:39:41,680 --> 00:39:43,520 all your household domestic consumptive 965 00:39:43,520 --> 00:39:46,560 uses plus your lawn and garden you know 966 00:39:46,560 --> 00:39:48,079 like like you're in the city of Clement 967 00:39:48,079 --> 00:39:50,160 Falls so you pay for it but you get you 968 00:39:50,160 --> 00:39:51,920 get the water. 969 00:39:51,920 --> 00:39:53,760 >> Okay. Thank you. Can you talk me through 970 00:39:53,760 --> 00:39:56,000 the notice process? You mentioned that 971 00:39:56,000 --> 00:39:58,000 ODOT may have been left out and I know 972 00:39:58,000 --> 00:39:59,920 one of the concerns in here was that 973 00:39:59,920 --> 00:40:02,240 perhaps proper notice hadn't gone out um 974 00:40:02,240 --> 00:40:04,000 to neighbors. So can you talk me through 975 00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:05,280 what that notice process? 976 00:40:05,280 --> 00:40:07,280 >> So within the urban growth boundary, our 977 00:40:07,280 --> 00:40:10,079 notice requirements are 100 ft. We have 978 00:40:10,079 --> 00:40:12,560 a computer program that's um based on 979 00:40:12,560 --> 00:40:13,920 some of the same things where you see 980 00:40:13,920 --> 00:40:16,000 the mapping that we rely on every day 981 00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:17,680 when we people come to the planning 982 00:40:17,680 --> 00:40:20,079 counter and ask what where's my property 983 00:40:20,079 --> 00:40:21,440 and what's my zone and all those 984 00:40:21,440 --> 00:40:24,240 questions. And so we type in the 985 00:40:24,240 --> 00:40:26,160 perimeter, the actual tax lots in 986 00:40:26,160 --> 00:40:28,640 question, and we push a button, and it 987 00:40:28,640 --> 00:40:30,560 says how many feet, and that's by 988 00:40:30,560 --> 00:40:33,599 statute, by by the legislators decreed 989 00:40:33,599 --> 00:40:36,240 that. So we type in 100, and it outlines 990 00:40:36,240 --> 00:40:39,200 the whole thing and spews out a list of 991 00:40:39,200 --> 00:40:41,359 mailing labels. 992 00:40:41,359 --> 00:40:43,599 So we attach those to envelopes and send 993 00:40:43,599 --> 00:40:46,079 that out. And we send that out that we 994 00:40:46,079 --> 00:40:48,720 have to have that out 20 days prior to 995 00:40:48,720 --> 00:40:50,720 the hearing date. 996 00:40:50,720 --> 00:40:52,800 We also publish in the Herald News. I 997 00:40:52,800 --> 00:40:53,680 don't know how many of you still read 998 00:40:53,680 --> 00:40:56,079 the newspaper, but we we're required. 999 00:40:56,079 --> 00:40:59,760 It's a real pain. And I mean, well, it's 1000 00:40:59,760 --> 00:41:02,240 it it seems like it's something that's 1001 00:41:02,240 --> 00:41:03,520 going to I don't know how much longer 1002 00:41:03,520 --> 00:41:05,599 it's got to that's got, but we have to 1003 00:41:05,599 --> 00:41:06,960 make sure that we publish it in the 1004 00:41:06,960 --> 00:41:09,920 paper twice, two different weeks that 1005 00:41:09,920 --> 00:41:12,640 there's this hearing coming up. What I 1006 00:41:12,640 --> 00:41:15,520 also do is I send it to any agency, 1007 00:41:15,520 --> 00:41:17,920 department, jurisdiction that would have 1008 00:41:17,920 --> 00:41:19,680 some kind of a relationship or state of 1009 00:41:19,680 --> 00:41:23,200 the matter. And so, um, ODOT was first 1010 00:41:23,200 --> 00:41:25,680 and foremost on the list, but so is the 1011 00:41:25,680 --> 00:41:27,599 fire, so is Enterprise Irrigation 1012 00:41:27,599 --> 00:41:29,760 District, K, the fire protection 1013 00:41:29,760 --> 00:41:31,680 district, you know, the list goes, South 1014 00:41:31,680 --> 00:41:33,520 Suburban Sanitary District, all the 1015 00:41:33,520 --> 00:41:34,800 different ones that are going to be 1016 00:41:34,800 --> 00:41:37,440 involved with this. And um I 1017 00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:39,680 inadvertently made a fat finger mistake 1018 00:41:39,680 --> 00:41:41,200 and left ODOT off the last of the list 1019 00:41:41,200 --> 00:41:43,040 because the phone rang or something. So 1020 00:41:43,040 --> 00:41:45,359 I when I discovered that um I called 1021 00:41:45,359 --> 00:41:47,440 them up and they are reviewing it. Uh 1022 00:41:47,440 --> 00:41:48,880 they were reviewing it yesterday at a 1023 00:41:48,880 --> 00:41:51,680 meeting and they will have something to 1024 00:41:51,680 --> 00:41:53,920 say about it in the next week or so. 1025 00:41:53,920 --> 00:41:56,640 >> And the next meeting you might talk 1026 00:41:56,640 --> 00:41:58,000 about here. 1027 00:41:58,000 --> 00:41:59,119 >> Yeah. Yeah. Well, the next meeting that 1028 00:41:59,119 --> 00:42:01,839 would be here, uh we would um have what 1029 00:42:01,839 --> 00:42:04,319 ODOT's comments in advance and would 1030 00:42:04,319 --> 00:42:08,640 also um uh you know 1031 00:42:08,640 --> 00:42:10,640 uh they're they're not these people 1032 00:42:10,640 --> 00:42:12,079 don't testify. They don't come to these 1033 00:42:12,079 --> 00:42:13,520 meetings and testify and they don't want 1034 00:42:13,520 --> 00:42:15,359 to testify, but they would have their 1035 00:42:15,359 --> 00:42:17,520 comments, but their comments are of a 1036 00:42:17,520 --> 00:42:20,319 nature that they're not the main the 1037 00:42:20,319 --> 00:42:22,720 main controversy is between them and the 1038 00:42:22,720 --> 00:42:25,040 county. The county engineer says we want 1039 00:42:25,040 --> 00:42:26,800 circulation. smart code says you you 1040 00:42:26,800 --> 00:42:28,079 have to have these streets connected, 1041 00:42:28,079 --> 00:42:30,000 make a big loop. And ODOT says no 1042 00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:31,520 because that way people that are 1043 00:42:31,520 --> 00:42:34,720 technically living here should only be 1044 00:42:34,720 --> 00:42:36,400 accessing it from 140 and should not 1045 00:42:36,400 --> 00:42:39,280 come in on this road. And people living 1046 00:42:39,280 --> 00:42:41,200 here should only access it from this 1047 00:42:41,200 --> 00:42:43,760 road, not come in on 140. So at the end 1048 00:42:43,760 --> 00:42:44,960 of the day, I don't know who's going to 1049 00:42:44,960 --> 00:42:45,839 win. 1050 00:42:45,839 --> 00:42:47,760 >> So am I to understand that what we're 1051 00:42:47,760 --> 00:42:49,520 going to rule on tonight is just the 1052 00:42:49,520 --> 00:42:50,880 zone change? 1053 00:42:50,880 --> 00:42:54,560 >> Yes. It's a comprehensive plan change 1054 00:42:54,560 --> 00:42:58,000 from commercial to residential. That's 1055 00:42:58,000 --> 00:43:01,119 just for this area right there um the 1056 00:43:01,119 --> 00:43:03,839 southern part. And then it's um on the 1057 00:43:03,839 --> 00:43:06,640 and then it's it's zone change for all 1058 00:43:06,640 --> 00:43:10,720 of it from uh whatever this from from it 1059 00:43:10,720 --> 00:43:13,119 current zone to residential 1060 00:43:13,119 --> 00:43:15,200 uh to medium density residential. The 1061 00:43:15,200 --> 00:43:15,920 reason why you don't need a 1062 00:43:15,920 --> 00:43:17,839 comprehensive plan change on this part 1063 00:43:17,839 --> 00:43:19,920 is because it's already own residential. 1064 00:43:19,920 --> 00:43:28,950 You're just changing it from suburban to medium density. 1065 00:43:28,960 --> 00:43:32,560 » Sorry. You can you can do that when it's 1066 00:43:32,560 --> 00:43:34,480 time for you to testify. That that'd be 1067 00:43:34,480 --> 00:43:35,920 fine. 1068 00:43:35,920 --> 00:43:40,480 >> Okay. So, uh so is going from 1069 00:43:40,480 --> 00:43:43,119 residential suburban to residential 1070 00:43:43,119 --> 00:43:46,000 medium density an upzone? 1071 00:43:46,000 --> 00:43:48,560 It is technically 1072 00:43:48,560 --> 00:43:50,720 no. It's not an up zone, but it it is it 1073 00:43:50,720 --> 00:43:53,040 is something where you can have a higher 1074 00:43:53,040 --> 00:43:55,920 density. Yes. But it's not if it went to 1075 00:43:55,920 --> 00:43:57,359 commercial, it would be an up zone in 1076 00:43:57,359 --> 00:43:59,200 the technical sense, but it is you can 1077 00:43:59,200 --> 00:44:01,440 go to a higher density on that. Yes. 1078 00:44:01,440 --> 00:44:02,400 >> Okay. 1079 00:44:02,400 --> 00:44:05,040 >> On the topic of zoning, there was a 1080 00:44:05,040 --> 00:44:07,680 water report, maybe from the city. I'm 1081 00:44:07,680 --> 00:44:08,880 not entirely sure who it was from, but 1082 00:44:08,880 --> 00:44:11,520 it talked about water use that mentioned 1083 00:44:11,520 --> 00:44:14,240 a daycare in this development at a few 1084 00:44:14,240 --> 00:44:17,040 times as well as a commercial area at 1085 00:44:17,040 --> 00:44:20,319 least once. How does that with the zone 1086 00:44:20,319 --> 00:44:22,079 >> change between the city and I'll let the 1087 00:44:22,079 --> 00:44:23,839 applicant address this too in case I'm 1088 00:44:23,839 --> 00:44:26,880 misspeaking, but um I believe when the 1089 00:44:26,880 --> 00:44:28,480 city when we had that pre-application 1090 00:44:28,480 --> 00:44:31,920 meeting in the summer of 2025, 1091 00:44:31,920 --> 00:44:34,000 there were there was a commercial and 1092 00:44:34,000 --> 00:44:37,359 there was a daycare. I'm good good eye. 1093 00:44:37,359 --> 00:44:40,000 It's embedded in there that was on that 1094 00:44:40,000 --> 00:44:43,280 and discussed in the southern part. Um 1095 00:44:43,280 --> 00:44:45,839 it was and then that was changed and 1096 00:44:45,839 --> 00:44:48,319 it's no longer there. But when the city 1097 00:44:48,319 --> 00:44:50,079 incorporated their prior comments, they 1098 00:44:50,079 --> 00:44:52,000 still had that from their previous 1099 00:44:52,000 --> 00:44:53,280 discussion. 1100 00:44:53,280 --> 00:44:56,160 >> So if this zone change were approved, 1101 00:44:56,160 --> 00:44:58,240 would a daycare and or other commercial 1102 00:44:58,240 --> 00:45:00,800 area be allowed? 1103 00:45:00,800 --> 00:45:01,359 >> No. 1104 00:45:01,359 --> 00:45:03,520 Okay. it' just be strictly 1105 00:45:03,520 --> 00:45:06,000 residential, but I would caveat that 1106 00:45:06,000 --> 00:45:07,839 with the applicant correcting me if I'm 1107 00:45:07,839 --> 00:45:09,680 wrong. 1108 00:45:09,680 --> 00:45:11,839 >> And then we as a planning commission 1109 00:45:11,839 --> 00:45:14,319 have had several conversations in work 1110 00:45:14,319 --> 00:45:16,880 sessions recently about changes to 1111 00:45:16,880 --> 00:45:18,560 housing code. Would any of those 1112 00:45:18,560 --> 00:45:20,720 proposed changes impact density in this 1113 00:45:20,720 --> 00:45:22,319 development? 1114 00:45:22,319 --> 00:45:24,640 >> Yes, but it's not because things you're 1115 00:45:24,640 --> 00:45:26,000 making. It's because we're updating our 1116 00:45:26,000 --> 00:45:29,119 code so that we're actually um in line 1117 00:45:29,119 --> 00:45:30,640 with what the state legislature has 1118 00:45:30,640 --> 00:45:32,960 already said as the law. And one thing 1119 00:45:32,960 --> 00:45:36,160 is um you cannot discriminate on minimum 1120 00:45:36,160 --> 00:45:39,280 parcel sizes for duplexes and make them 1121 00:45:39,280 --> 00:45:41,359 be have to be a larger parcel size than 1122 00:45:41,359 --> 00:45:43,599 you can single family dwellings. And 1123 00:45:43,599 --> 00:45:45,680 that when I pulled up that code section 1124 00:45:45,680 --> 00:45:47,520 on medium density, that's still in 1125 00:45:47,520 --> 00:45:49,680 there, but we will change that. But we 1126 00:45:49,680 --> 00:45:51,119 we're changing that because we're doing 1127 00:45:51,119 --> 00:45:52,880 two things. We're bringing our our code 1128 00:45:52,880 --> 00:45:55,040 up to date with what the current law is 1129 00:45:55,040 --> 00:45:56,800 because, you know, we have to follow the 1130 00:45:56,800 --> 00:45:59,280 law and then we're also looking at all 1131 00:45:59,280 --> 00:46:00,960 other housing options, but it's mainly 1132 00:46:00,960 --> 00:46:02,720 because we're just following the law on 1133 00:46:02,720 --> 00:46:03,440 that one. 1134 00:46:03,440 --> 00:46:05,839 >> So, what impact would that have? One of 1135 00:46:05,839 --> 00:46:07,599 the assumptions I believe in in that 1136 00:46:07,599 --> 00:46:11,200 same water document was a maximum of 25 1137 00:46:11,200 --> 00:46:14,400 duplexes in this development. If that 1138 00:46:14,400 --> 00:46:16,720 number happens to be greatly increased 1139 00:46:16,720 --> 00:46:18,319 through that future change, would we 1140 00:46:18,319 --> 00:46:20,640 still have water infrastructure based on 1141 00:46:20,640 --> 00:46:21,040 the current? 1142 00:46:21,040 --> 00:46:22,240 >> Well, it would have to be designed 1143 00:46:22,240 --> 00:46:24,720 around an upper limit 1144 00:46:24,720 --> 00:46:28,160 and um that's a a largely a contractual 1145 00:46:28,160 --> 00:46:30,560 thing between the city and the developer 1146 00:46:30,560 --> 00:46:32,560 when they go to hammer out who's going 1147 00:46:32,560 --> 00:46:34,880 to pay for what and everything and there 1148 00:46:34,880 --> 00:46:36,960 would be have to be an upper limit. What 1149 00:46:36,960 --> 00:46:39,520 the what you could do with the with the 1150 00:46:39,520 --> 00:46:41,040 updates to the code is you could 1151 00:46:41,040 --> 00:46:42,720 increase the possibility of them them 1152 00:46:42,720 --> 00:46:44,079 increasing that upper limit, but they'd 1153 00:46:44,079 --> 00:46:45,440 have to have infrastructure to support 1154 00:46:45,440 --> 00:46:49,839 it both for fire protection and for the 1155 00:46:49,839 --> 00:46:51,760 water to serve for the individual 1156 00:46:51,760 --> 00:46:53,119 residences. 1157 00:46:53,119 --> 00:46:56,800 >> Would that upper limit be put as part of 1158 00:46:56,800 --> 00:46:58,960 this zone change or would that be in the 1159 00:46:58,960 --> 00:47:03,040 future for a subdivision application? 1160 00:47:03,040 --> 00:47:04,960 >> Well, it could be put as a zone change. 1161 00:47:04,960 --> 00:47:06,720 remember the limited use overlay that we 1162 00:47:06,720 --> 00:47:09,839 talked about. Um the the the difficulty 1163 00:47:09,839 --> 00:47:13,680 is is I um unless a person has something 1164 00:47:13,680 --> 00:47:16,480 concrete, it's hard to to envision all 1165 00:47:16,480 --> 00:47:18,240 that. And sometimes you're better off to 1166 00:47:18,240 --> 00:47:20,560 just stick with medium density and 1167 00:47:20,560 --> 00:47:24,079 figure that that's the upper limit 1168 00:47:24,079 --> 00:47:25,520 rather than something else. But yes, you 1169 00:47:25,520 --> 00:47:28,480 can you can condition zone changes uh 1170 00:47:28,480 --> 00:47:31,200 that way. It just has to last in 1171 00:47:31,200 --> 00:47:33,040 perpetuity for the next generation where 1172 00:47:33,040 --> 00:47:36,000 they can still know that it's there and 1173 00:47:36,000 --> 00:47:41,990 it still makes sense. 1174 00:47:42,000 --> 00:47:43,839 » I think that was all I've got. 1175 00:47:43,839 --> 00:47:45,760 >> Any further questions for staff from the 1176 00:47:45,760 --> 00:47:47,920 planning commission? 1177 00:47:47,920 --> 00:47:50,560 >> Okay. Not seeing any, then um I would 1178 00:47:50,560 --> 00:47:53,200 like to ask the applicant or their 1179 00:47:53,200 --> 00:47:54,800 representative to please come to the 1180 00:47:54,800 --> 00:47:57,680 podium, be sworn in, and we'd like to 1181 00:47:57,680 --> 00:48:07,589 hear from you. 1182 00:48:07,599 --> 00:48:08,880 I do. So is where? 1183 00:48:08,880 --> 00:48:11,040 >> Please state your name. 1184 00:48:11,040 --> 00:48:13,440 >> Raul Water with AKS Engineering and 1185 00:48:13,440 --> 00:48:16,640 Forestry. We're at 4497 Brownidge 1186 00:48:16,640 --> 00:48:18,720 Terrace in Medford, Oregon. 1187 00:48:18,720 --> 00:48:22,160 >> Mr. Warner, are you at 15 minutes? 1188 00:48:22,160 --> 00:48:25,280 >> Thank you. uh here on behalf of Dan 1189 00:48:25,280 --> 00:48:28,160 Horton uh property owner who is in the 1190 00:48:28,160 --> 00:48:31,280 audience with me today and uh we also 1191 00:48:31,280 --> 00:48:34,000 have the civil engineers John Mortz from 1192 00:48:34,000 --> 00:48:37,839 um Atkins Engineering um designed the 1193 00:48:37,839 --> 00:48:40,000 infrastructure for the project. This is 1194 00:48:40,000 --> 00:48:41,920 property the Hortons have owned since 1195 00:48:41,920 --> 00:48:45,359 the early 1970s. Uh that lower parcel 1196 00:48:45,359 --> 00:48:47,920 anyway uh the upper parcel was owned by 1197 00:48:47,920 --> 00:48:52,319 the school district. Uh Dan Horton uh at 1198 00:48:52,319 --> 00:48:54,640 bother had originally asked the county 1199 00:48:54,640 --> 00:48:56,640 to zone this commercial thinking uh 1200 00:48:56,640 --> 00:48:59,280 along Highway 140 there might be some 1201 00:48:59,280 --> 00:49:01,359 beneficial use someday in the future. It 1202 00:49:01,359 --> 00:49:04,400 just never really occurred. And uh the 1203 00:49:04,400 --> 00:49:06,640 economic opportunities analysis for for 1204 00:49:06,640 --> 00:49:11,040 Clamoth uh Falls urban area plan is 1205 00:49:11,040 --> 00:49:13,040 similarly like determined that there's a 1206 00:49:13,040 --> 00:49:16,160 an over a surplus of commercial land. 1207 00:49:16,160 --> 00:49:21,599 Uh Dan's an architect as well and he's designed many residential 1208 00:49:21,599 --> 00:49:24,960 developments and and his uh his desire 1209 00:49:24,960 --> 00:49:27,040 was to to make this available as a nice 1210 00:49:27,040 --> 00:49:29,040 housing project for the community. Uh 1211 00:49:29,040 --> 00:49:30,559 challenges 1212 00:49:30,559 --> 00:49:33,520 were uh this is in the urbanizable area 1213 00:49:33,520 --> 00:49:37,359 of Clamoth Falls urban growth boundary 1214 00:49:37,359 --> 00:49:40,480 under state rules under statewide pl 14 1215 00:49:40,480 --> 00:49:43,280 urbanization land within an urbanizable 1216 00:49:43,280 --> 00:49:44,640 urban growth boundary is considered 1217 00:49:44,640 --> 00:49:47,200 urbanizable. It's not for preservation 1218 00:49:47,200 --> 00:49:50,240 as as uh staff pointed out earlier where 1219 00:49:50,240 --> 00:49:51,599 you have to take exceptions. It's 1220 00:49:51,599 --> 00:49:54,240 actually planned for for urban types of 1221 00:49:54,240 --> 00:49:58,079 uses. Uh the size of the southern parcel 1222 00:49:58,079 --> 00:50:01,119 would be okay for a big box. You'd need 1223 00:50:01,119 --> 00:50:03,040 like 10 plus acres for something like 1224 00:50:03,040 --> 00:50:05,280 that. Uh interesting thing about the 1225 00:50:05,280 --> 00:50:06,800 property as mentioned was there are 1226 00:50:06,800 --> 00:50:09,599 three access reservations to highway 140 1227 00:50:09,599 --> 00:50:14,800 and three tax lots that comprise that lower track. Uh those were provided 1228 00:50:14,800 --> 00:50:17,680 in exchange for rightway uh widening of 1229 00:50:17,680 --> 00:50:21,200 the uh highway 140 back in the 1970s. 1230 00:50:21,200 --> 00:50:22,960 Um 1231 00:50:22,960 --> 00:50:24,400 so you could develop each with 1232 00:50:24,400 --> 00:50:26,480 commercial uses on three different lots 1233 00:50:26,480 --> 00:50:29,760 or do a a single development that has uh 1234 00:50:29,760 --> 00:50:31,599 a larger commercial plaza or something 1235 00:50:31,599 --> 00:50:34,079 like that. 1236 00:50:34,079 --> 00:50:36,079 ODOT has been coordinated with 1237 00:50:36,079 --> 00:50:37,760 throughout the process. our traffic 1238 00:50:37,760 --> 00:50:40,319 engineer continuously communicated with 1239 00:50:40,319 --> 00:50:42,160 them after the pre-application 1240 00:50:42,160 --> 00:50:44,240 conference. They just haven't provided 1241 00:50:44,240 --> 00:50:46,160 the the comment back yet. Their concern 1242 00:50:46,160 --> 00:50:47,920 is really with the site plan. They call 1243 00:50:47,920 --> 00:50:50,400 it site plan. It's the subdivision plan. 1244 00:50:50,400 --> 00:50:53,599 Uh they're concerned that that 1245 00:50:53,599 --> 00:50:55,599 because the property to the north is a 1246 00:50:55,599 --> 00:50:58,880 is privately held. Uh 1247 00:50:58,880 --> 00:51:00,319 it's not that they don't want to 1248 00:51:00,319 --> 00:51:02,079 connect. There's not a grant of access 1249 00:51:02,079 --> 00:51:04,000 for that property. only the three lot 1250 00:51:04,000 --> 00:51:06,800 tax lots down below were provided 1251 00:51:06,800 --> 00:51:08,319 highway reservations and we're going to 1252 00:51:08,319 --> 00:51:11,280 consolidate those into one public street 1253 00:51:11,280 --> 00:51:14,640 connection. Uh ODOT's position though is 1254 00:51:14,640 --> 00:51:18,640 on on the process side for entitling the 1255 00:51:18,640 --> 00:51:20,319 highway access to go through to 1256 00:51:20,319 --> 00:51:24,640 Hilliard. Uh so there's a process to do 1257 00:51:24,640 --> 00:51:26,880 that and get the permits from them. Like 1258 00:51:26,880 --> 00:51:29,599 a lot of state agency permitting 1259 00:51:29,599 --> 00:51:31,119 processes, you have to start with a 1260 00:51:31,119 --> 00:51:34,000 local entitlement that says yes, this is 1261 00:51:34,000 --> 00:51:35,760 an allowed use in the zone and the 1262 00:51:35,760 --> 00:51:37,680 development is is conditionally 1263 00:51:37,680 --> 00:51:40,800 approved, but uh as a condition they you 1264 00:51:40,800 --> 00:51:42,800 have to satisfy the various state 1265 00:51:42,800 --> 00:51:45,280 permitting processes. That would include 1266 00:51:45,280 --> 00:51:47,280 environmental things like uh erosion 1267 00:51:47,280 --> 00:51:50,160 control. Uh if there were wetlands, that 1268 00:51:50,160 --> 00:51:52,240 sort of thing, coordination with the 1269 00:51:52,240 --> 00:51:53,920 irrigation district, all those are 1270 00:51:53,920 --> 00:51:56,480 typical conditions of approval. you work 1271 00:51:56,480 --> 00:51:58,000 with those agencies to get the final 1272 00:51:58,000 --> 00:52:00,640 plat approval um before the expiration 1273 00:52:00,640 --> 00:52:03,440 date occurs and and then then once you 1274 00:52:03,440 --> 00:52:04,960 get all the permits together and the 1275 00:52:04,960 --> 00:52:08,079 development end we can we can subdivide. 1276 00:52:08,079 --> 00:52:09,359 So, it's not that they're opposed to 1277 00:52:09,359 --> 00:52:12,319 connectivity. In fact, you know, state 1278 00:52:12,319 --> 00:52:14,400 policy is to promote neighborhood 1279 00:52:14,400 --> 00:52:16,880 connectivity and diffuse traffic so 1280 00:52:16,880 --> 00:52:18,880 everybody's not having to go and 1281 00:52:18,880 --> 00:52:20,880 concentrate traffic at any single point. 1282 00:52:20,880 --> 00:52:22,240 And that's what we're trying to achieve. 1283 00:52:22,240 --> 00:52:25,040 And as this development goes forward, we 1284 00:52:25,040 --> 00:52:28,960 can bring in that another uh access or 1285 00:52:28,960 --> 00:52:31,599 emergencies or just daily use ultimately 1286 00:52:31,599 --> 00:52:33,119 to connect all the neighborhoods to the 1287 00:52:33,119 --> 00:52:34,720 north. But we have to go through the 1288 00:52:34,720 --> 00:52:37,520 process with ODOT before we can do that. 1289 00:52:37,520 --> 00:52:39,680 and perfect that. We really need to get 1290 00:52:39,680 --> 00:52:41,359 a conditional approval from from the 1291 00:52:41,359 --> 00:52:45,599 county. Um 1292 00:52:45,599 --> 00:52:49,599 the uh another challenge was the Hortons 1293 00:52:49,599 --> 00:52:50,960 didn't own the property to the north 1294 00:52:50,960 --> 00:52:54,000 between the subject property and source 1295 00:52:54,000 --> 00:52:55,680 of water and and of course that's a 1296 00:52:55,680 --> 00:52:58,559 problem. So the Dan Horton worked with 1297 00:52:58,559 --> 00:53:00,160 school district and acquired that that 1298 00:53:00,160 --> 00:53:03,119 parcel to the north uh which is adjacent 1299 00:53:03,119 --> 00:53:05,920 to property that has the the water res 1300 00:53:05,920 --> 00:53:07,520 city's water reservoir on it and it's 1301 00:53:07,520 --> 00:53:10,319 been coordinating with the the city uh 1302 00:53:10,319 --> 00:53:14,240 and the adjacent developer uh on 1303 00:53:14,240 --> 00:53:16,559 uh delivering infrastructure and 1304 00:53:16,559 --> 00:53:19,440 extending that infrastructure so that uh 1305 00:53:19,440 --> 00:53:21,440 all that urbanizable area can be brought 1306 00:53:21,440 --> 00:53:23,440 online. So, we're going to be extending 1307 00:53:23,440 --> 00:53:24,880 water infrastructure all the way down 1308 00:53:24,880 --> 00:53:26,720 along the sewer infrastructure and and 1309 00:53:26,720 --> 00:53:28,400 that really addresses concerns about 1310 00:53:28,400 --> 00:53:30,800 wellwater because this development won't 1311 00:53:30,800 --> 00:53:33,680 be using wellwater. It's providing an 1312 00:53:33,680 --> 00:53:40,790 alternative in in municipal water. Um 1313 00:53:40,800 --> 00:53:43,040 the design of development is really 1314 00:53:43,040 --> 00:53:46,400 driven by the adopted urbanizable area 1315 00:53:46,400 --> 00:53:48,960 comp plan and some of the code 1316 00:53:48,960 --> 00:53:50,640 provisions that apply inside urban 1317 00:53:50,640 --> 00:53:52,079 growth boundary in the county's 1318 00:53:52,079 --> 00:53:55,359 ordinance. We have a requirement to not 1319 00:53:55,359 --> 00:53:58,240 exceed 600 foot block standard in 1320 00:53:58,240 --> 00:54:00,800 urbanizable area. And given the 1321 00:54:00,800 --> 00:54:03,440 property's trapezoidal configuration at 1322 00:54:03,440 --> 00:54:07,119 the top and and uh uh you know the 1323 00:54:07,119 --> 00:54:09,839 requirement to maintain separation as 1324 00:54:09,839 --> 00:54:12,079 well minimum separation from uh I think 1325 00:54:12,079 --> 00:54:14,960 it was 120 ft from the intersection 1326 00:54:14,960 --> 00:54:16,559 right before you on hillyard right 1327 00:54:16,559 --> 00:54:19,280 before you get to the uh the property. 1328 00:54:19,280 --> 00:54:22,400 It just it wasn't mathing out at the SR 1329 00:54:22,400 --> 00:54:26,079 uh zoning standards and the density in 1330 00:54:26,079 --> 00:54:28,480 the SR zone allows up to four units per 1331 00:54:28,480 --> 00:54:31,920 acre. that this subdivision will deliver 1332 00:54:31,920 --> 00:54:34,880 3.9 lots per acre when all said and 1333 00:54:34,880 --> 00:54:38,720 done. So, it it really is kind of where 1334 00:54:38,720 --> 00:54:42,720 SR and RM meet me in terms of density. 1335 00:54:42,720 --> 00:54:46,000 Uh but it just gives us a little more 1336 00:54:46,000 --> 00:54:48,720 ability to sort of pixelize uh if you 1337 00:54:48,720 --> 00:54:52,000 will uh to make lots fit into the block 1338 00:54:52,000 --> 00:54:53,520 standards that the urban area plan 1339 00:54:53,520 --> 00:54:55,119 requires. 1340 00:54:55,119 --> 00:54:59,920 uh again with the also the terrain and the the lot shape 1341 00:54:59,920 --> 00:55:01,920 the uh going back to the ODOT 1342 00:55:01,920 --> 00:55:04,079 reservation rightway we we proposed so 1343 00:55:04,079 --> 00:55:07,920 ODOT's initial response on the site plan 1344 00:55:07,920 --> 00:55:10,800 subdivision plan was we can't you don't 1345 00:55:10,800 --> 00:55:13,280 have an entitlement to extend access 1346 00:55:13,280 --> 00:55:14,880 from highway 140 to the north but 1347 00:55:14,880 --> 00:55:17,200 there's a process to do that so we don't 1348 00:55:17,200 --> 00:55:20,000 want the site plan connecting but county 1349 00:55:20,000 --> 00:55:23,040 and urban area plans for the city uh 1350 00:55:23,040 --> 00:55:24,720 require connectivity and subdivision 1351 00:55:24,720 --> 00:55:27,760 plans have to assure that adjacent 1352 00:55:27,760 --> 00:55:29,520 properties will have access in the 1353 00:55:29,520 --> 00:55:30,960 future too. So you want to design it to 1354 00:55:30,960 --> 00:55:33,599 extend. So we've designed it to connect 1355 00:55:33,599 --> 00:55:36,960 but proposing a street plug be dedicated 1356 00:55:36,960 --> 00:55:38,960 on the plat which can only be released 1357 00:55:38,960 --> 00:55:41,200 by the county by vacating the street 1358 00:55:41,200 --> 00:55:43,440 plug with the condition that ODOT has 1359 00:55:43,440 --> 00:55:46,480 approved the ability to connect through. 1360 00:55:46,480 --> 00:55:48,559 uh the street would actually come 1361 00:55:48,559 --> 00:55:50,559 together, but there'd be a gate with uh 1362 00:55:50,559 --> 00:55:53,200 emergency access. We call Knox Block or 1363 00:55:53,200 --> 00:55:54,960 something like that that would allow 1364 00:55:54,960 --> 00:55:56,240 fire truck to get through in an 1365 00:55:56,240 --> 00:55:58,319 emergency or or neighborhood in case of 1366 00:55:58,319 --> 00:55:59,920 a an emergency could get out of the 1367 00:55:59,920 --> 00:56:02,480 highway. So, this is just your 1368 00:56:02,480 --> 00:56:04,960 day-to-day 1369 00:56:04,960 --> 00:56:08,960 access uh concern that ODOT has. in an 1370 00:56:08,960 --> 00:56:11,440 emergency there there are provisions in 1371 00:56:11,440 --> 00:56:14,319 law that allow you to uh trespass if you 1372 00:56:14,319 --> 00:56:16,480 will on other people's property even if 1373 00:56:16,480 --> 00:56:17,839 you have to get away from your 1374 00:56:17,839 --> 00:56:20,960 neighborhood. So uh it does provide that 1375 00:56:20,960 --> 00:56:22,720 benefit to the public as well. So water 1376 00:56:22,720 --> 00:56:24,160 infrastructure, sewer infrastructure 1377 00:56:24,160 --> 00:56:26,559 gets extended. Area that's planned for 1378 00:56:26,559 --> 00:56:31,280 urbanization will have facilities uh 1379 00:56:31,280 --> 00:56:36,000 made available and possible through this project and we get that 1380 00:56:36,000 --> 00:56:38,000 connection that alternative connection 1381 00:56:38,000 --> 00:56:39,359 uh out of that neighborhood. So there 1382 00:56:39,359 --> 00:56:42,079 was another outlet. 1383 00:56:42,079 --> 00:56:44,079 So those are [clears throat] 1384 00:56:44,079 --> 00:56:45,520 the major points I wanted to make. I 1385 00:56:45,520 --> 00:56:48,559 know I have limited time. I'd like to uh 1386 00:56:48,559 --> 00:56:50,559 reserve time for rebuttal and stand for 1387 00:56:50,559 --> 00:56:52,559 any questions that you have. We do have 1388 00:56:52,559 --> 00:56:54,640 Mr. Horton here too if you want to bring 1389 00:56:54,640 --> 00:56:56,319 him up. And 1390 00:56:56,319 --> 00:56:58,240 >> so I've got a question. Who who's going 1391 00:56:58,240 --> 00:57:02,000 to be the sewer provider there? 1392 00:57:02,000 --> 00:57:03,839 >> SSS. 1393 00:57:03,839 --> 00:57:06,720 >> So South Suburban Center. Okay. 1394 00:57:06,720 --> 00:57:11,599 >> Um you you talked about the traffic flow 1395 00:57:11,599 --> 00:57:13,839 out of those private citizens driveways 1396 00:57:13,839 --> 00:57:17,280 that are on Highway 140 there. Okay. So, 1397 00:57:17,280 --> 00:57:19,359 it sounded like to me, I wasn't sure, 1398 00:57:19,359 --> 00:57:21,359 but it sounded like they were all going 1399 00:57:21,359 --> 00:57:23,520 to be combined. So, they came to one 1400 00:57:23,520 --> 00:57:25,680 central location, which I guess would be 1401 00:57:25,680 --> 00:57:27,440 the access to 140. Is that correct? 1402 00:57:27,440 --> 00:57:30,880 >> So, Mr. Horton owns three access rights 1403 00:57:30,880 --> 00:57:32,720 to 140. They're associated with each of 1404 00:57:32,720 --> 00:57:36,400 the three tax lots on the south side. Uh 1405 00:57:36,400 --> 00:57:37,920 they will all be consolidated and moved 1406 00:57:37,920 --> 00:57:40,160 as far away, 1407 00:57:40,160 --> 00:57:41,200 you know, at the east end of the 1408 00:57:41,200 --> 00:57:43,200 property from the the interchange 1409 00:57:43,200 --> 00:57:45,359 between the two highways to the west. So 1410 00:57:45,359 --> 00:57:47,920 it it pushes the distance all the way to 1411 00:57:47,920 --> 00:57:50,000 the east. So instead of having three 1412 00:57:50,000 --> 00:57:51,680 separate driveways, you're going to have 1413 00:57:51,680 --> 00:57:52,960 they're private. You'd have one 1414 00:57:52,960 --> 00:57:55,119 consolidated public street access with 1415 00:57:55,119 --> 00:57:56,640 the 1416 00:57:56,640 --> 00:57:59,520 two-way turn TWWT, 1417 00:57:59,520 --> 00:58:01,920 the turn lane uh in in the highway 1418 00:58:01,920 --> 00:58:04,079 provided by this project. 1419 00:58:04,079 --> 00:58:08,559 >> I put a screenshot of the southern part. 1420 00:58:08,559 --> 00:58:10,480 and it shows the connection over there 1421 00:58:10,480 --> 00:58:12,799 on the right hand side. [clears throat] 1422 00:58:12,799 --> 00:58:15,520 But that's three separate tax lots today 1423 00:58:15,520 --> 00:58:18,079 that have three separate driveways. The 1424 00:58:18,079 --> 00:58:20,240 proposals will for one public street to 1425 00:58:20,240 --> 00:58:21,119 connect. 1426 00:58:21,119 --> 00:58:23,520 >> And so how are those those three going 1427 00:58:23,520 --> 00:58:26,000 to be combined then? I don't quite 1428 00:58:26,000 --> 00:58:26,640 understand. 1429 00:58:26,640 --> 00:58:29,680 >> And the subdivision it the subdivision 1430 00:58:29,680 --> 00:58:31,760 eventually will combine. Right now we're 1431 00:58:31,760 --> 00:58:33,200 talking about the zone change. Okay. 1432 00:58:33,200 --> 00:58:35,040 >> The subdivision combines lots and then 1433 00:58:35,040 --> 00:58:36,640 divides lots into the final 1434 00:58:36,640 --> 00:58:37,599 configuration. 1435 00:58:37,599 --> 00:58:39,839 >> Yeah. those three existing lot lines 1436 00:58:39,839 --> 00:58:41,839 become invisible later on. 1437 00:58:41,839 --> 00:58:42,880 >> Yeah, I got you. 1438 00:58:42,880 --> 00:58:44,720 >> As to the zone change and comprehensive 1439 00:58:44,720 --> 00:58:46,720 plan map amendment, I mean the effect of 1440 00:58:46,720 --> 00:58:50,240 that change is an overall reduction in 1441 00:58:50,240 --> 00:58:51,839 potential trips generated based on 1442 00:58:51,839 --> 00:58:55,520 zoning. you're going from over 27 well 1443 00:58:55,520 --> 00:58:58,559 it's a a reduction of over 2700 1444 00:58:58,559 --> 00:59:01,599 average daily trips per day uh to the 1445 00:59:01,599 --> 00:59:04,799 system by changing to the proposed RM 1446 00:59:04,799 --> 00:59:06,400 zoning 1447 00:59:06,400 --> 00:59:11,839 uh and that's you know PM afternoon trip 1448 00:59:11,839 --> 00:59:14,880 peak hours are are kind of the the the 1449 00:59:14,880 --> 00:59:16,880 big number that the OD is concerned and 1450 00:59:16,880 --> 00:59:22,160 it's um you could generate more than 1451 00:59:22,160 --> 00:59:25,040 under the existing zoning 578 more PMP 1452 00:59:25,040 --> 00:59:26,880 hour trips in than the proposed zone. 1453 00:59:26,880 --> 00:59:30,480 So, uh that's a benefit to the 1454 00:59:30,480 --> 00:59:33,119 transportation system systemwide that 1455 00:59:33,119 --> 00:59:34,799 you know the county or city can 1456 00:59:34,799 --> 00:59:36,480 negotiate with ODOT and taking those 1457 00:59:36,480 --> 00:59:38,480 trips that are are going away from their 1458 00:59:38,480 --> 00:59:42,079 model and putting them somewhere else if you're having some issues with the 1459 00:59:42,079 --> 00:59:44,000 project. 1460 00:59:44,000 --> 00:59:46,799 >> So, the traffic impact analysis states 1461 00:59:46,799 --> 00:59:49,280 that this development will reduce 1462 00:59:49,280 --> 00:59:52,720 numbers of trips affected. the zoning, 1463 00:59:52,720 --> 00:59:53,839 the zone change, 1464 00:59:53,839 --> 00:59:54,799 >> right? 1465 00:59:54,799 --> 00:59:57,520 >> While that sounds 1466 00:59:57,520 --> 00:59:59,040 kind of weird on the surface, there's 1467 00:59:59,040 --> 01:00:01,520 nothing there right now. There are no 1468 01:00:01,520 --> 01:00:04,400 trips essentially. Can you walk me 1469 01:00:04,400 --> 01:00:07,920 through kind of the math on how changing 1470 01:00:07,920 --> 01:00:10,160 it to this zoning would reduce the 1471 01:00:10,160 --> 01:00:12,400 future potential trips? 1472 01:00:12,400 --> 01:00:15,359 >> Okay. So, zoning and comp plan are are 1473 01:00:15,359 --> 01:00:16,960 subject to findings directed to 1474 01:00:16,960 --> 01:00:18,160 something called the transportation 1475 01:00:18,160 --> 01:00:20,000 planning rule. that that's where that 1476 01:00:20,000 --> 01:00:22,880 math lies and those are trips that are 1477 01:00:22,880 --> 01:00:26,000 already in the adopted transportation 1478 01:00:26,000 --> 01:00:30,559 system plans model for determining what they're planning for in terms of 1479 01:00:30,559 --> 01:00:33,359 projects uh that the city and the county 1480 01:00:33,359 --> 01:00:37,200 have to choose to to prioritize and fund 1481 01:00:37,200 --> 01:00:39,760 the actual development whether it's 1482 01:00:39,760 --> 01:00:42,079 under commercial zoning or residential 1483 01:00:42,079 --> 01:00:44,000 development under the county's code 1484 01:00:44,000 --> 01:00:48,079 requires a transportation impact study 1485 01:00:48,079 --> 01:00:50,240 specific specific to the development. So 1486 01:00:50,240 --> 01:00:53,119 that's where we're looking at day of 1487 01:00:53,119 --> 01:00:55,359 opening kind of impacts from the 1488 01:00:55,359 --> 01:00:57,040 development itself relative to the 1489 01:00:57,040 --> 01:00:59,760 existing conditions. So the the vacant 1490 01:00:59,760 --> 01:01:01,680 land produces very little trips 1491 01:01:01,680 --> 01:01:03,040 associated with just the maintenance of 1492 01:01:03,040 --> 01:01:05,040 the property. the subdivision will 1493 01:01:05,040 --> 01:01:07,760 generate some new trips uh as per the 1494 01:01:07,760 --> 01:01:10,400 TIS which has determined that there's 1495 01:01:10,400 --> 01:01:12,400 going to be some mitigation required and 1496 01:01:12,400 --> 01:01:15,040 that's the uh but that otherwise with 1497 01:01:15,040 --> 01:01:16,720 the mitigation that it's going to meet 1498 01:01:16,720 --> 01:01:18,720 all parameters for for ODOT and the 1499 01:01:18,720 --> 01:01:21,280 county 1500 01:01:21,280 --> 01:01:23,359 um on the subject of ODOT they are 1501 01:01:23,359 --> 01:01:25,280 working on a master plan for that South 1502 01:01:25,280 --> 01:01:28,240 Sixth Street corridor 1503 01:01:28,240 --> 01:01:30,880 does the proposed access fall in line 1504 01:01:30,880 --> 01:01:32,960 with that master plan for that specific 1505 01:01:32,960 --> 01:01:35,359 intersection South 6th and 140 1506 01:01:35,359 --> 01:01:36,240 intersection. 1507 01:01:36,240 --> 01:01:38,240 >> We don't have any direct access there, 1508 01:01:38,240 --> 01:01:42,400 but the the study examined that and and 1509 01:01:42,400 --> 01:01:45,440 uh you know the the findings uh 1510 01:01:45,440 --> 01:01:47,440 considered that in terms of determining 1511 01:01:47,440 --> 01:01:50,319 what mitigation is needed. 1512 01:01:50,319 --> 01:01:51,599 Um 1513 01:01:51,599 --> 01:01:54,799 >> so ODOT the south six corridor plan is 1514 01:01:54,799 --> 01:01:56,559 from 1515 01:01:56,559 --> 01:01:59,119 uh roughly Starbucks which is kind of 1516 01:01:59,119 --> 01:02:01,680 the city line where the city takes care 1517 01:02:01,680 --> 01:02:04,880 of the south six west of there and ODOT 1518 01:02:04,880 --> 01:02:09,119 is used there to KCC. Uh so the Hillyard 1519 01:02:09,119 --> 01:02:10,880 intersection that is the upper 1520 01:02:10,880 --> 01:02:13,200 connection is inside of that corridor. 1521 01:02:13,200 --> 01:02:15,920 Uh the the connection out here isn't, 1522 01:02:15,920 --> 01:02:18,799 but the applicant is proposing a uh 1523 01:02:18,799 --> 01:02:22,319 two-way left turn lane, which um gives 1524 01:02:22,319 --> 01:02:25,280 refuge to somebody turning left and Q 1525 01:02:25,280 --> 01:02:27,119 length in there. 1526 01:02:27,119 --> 01:02:31,119 And another point to be made is any uh 1527 01:02:31,119 --> 01:02:32,960 projects that are are planned and 1528 01:02:32,960 --> 01:02:35,760 adopted in a TSP are going to be with uh 1529 01:02:35,760 --> 01:02:37,200 associated with a capital improvement 1530 01:02:37,200 --> 01:02:40,240 plan in a budget which will qualify all 1531 01:02:40,240 --> 01:02:43,119 those projects for use of SDC systems 1532 01:02:43,119 --> 01:02:48,079 development charges that are charged at the time the homes 1533 01:02:48,079 --> 01:02:50,960 are built. So when we have the lots and 1534 01:02:50,960 --> 01:02:54,480 as the subdivision is planted. So, uh, 1535 01:02:54,480 --> 01:02:56,960 this project will actually help fund, 1536 01:02:56,960 --> 01:02:58,319 you know, your capital improvement plan. 1537 01:02:58,319 --> 01:02:58,880 Yes. 1538 01:02:58,880 --> 01:03:01,200 >> Super quick. Um, Climate County doesn't 1539 01:03:01,200 --> 01:03:03,839 have transportation SDC's. I know that's 1540 01:03:03,839 --> 01:03:06,400 not normal. Okay. Most places do, but we 1541 01:03:06,400 --> 01:03:07,280 don't. 1542 01:03:07,280 --> 01:03:10,720 >> Um, and so what would happen is 1543 01:03:10,720 --> 01:03:12,480 um, you would you would directly 1544 01:03:12,480 --> 01:03:14,319 participate. You're obviously mitigating 1545 01:03:14,319 --> 01:03:17,200 Highway 140 or the turn lanes, whatnot. 1546 01:03:17,200 --> 01:03:19,200 That's a very big improvement and that's 1547 01:03:19,200 --> 01:03:23,119 on the developer. um Hillyard just so 1548 01:03:23,119 --> 01:03:25,760 that the group knows is that that 1549 01:03:25,760 --> 01:03:29,119 corridor study was is I would say 60% 1550 01:03:29,119 --> 01:03:35,039 done. The idea at Hillyard is ODOT um 1551 01:03:35,039 --> 01:03:37,280 doesn't want a traffic signal there. 1552 01:03:37,280 --> 01:03:39,680 ODOT doesn't want a roundabout there. So 1553 01:03:39,680 --> 01:03:41,920 the current 1554 01:03:41,920 --> 01:03:44,880 idea from ODOT is to have an offset T 1555 01:03:44,880 --> 01:03:46,640 intersection. So, right now it's skewed 1556 01:03:46,640 --> 01:03:50,640 and it comes together is to bend the uh 1557 01:03:50,640 --> 01:03:55,760 north leg in and uh then bend the uh 1558 01:03:55,760 --> 01:03:57,920 south leg further north and have them 1559 01:03:57,920 --> 01:04:00,240 separated by like a th00and ft. And so 1560 01:04:00,240 --> 01:04:03,839 it's going to turn a you know skewed 1561 01:04:03,839 --> 01:04:06,720 intersection into two T intersections uh 1562 01:04:06,720 --> 01:04:09,680 thousand feet apart. So that's the 1563 01:04:09,680 --> 01:04:13,520 current plan on that. um this uh this 1564 01:04:13,520 --> 01:04:15,760 development would pay its proportional 1565 01:04:15,760 --> 01:04:20,240 share of that. So um we anticipate with 1566 01:04:20,240 --> 01:04:24,480 any uh increased traffic u from the 1567 01:04:24,480 --> 01:04:26,400 subdivision. The way it normally goes is 1568 01:04:26,400 --> 01:04:29,119 you count background traffic and let's 1569 01:04:29,119 --> 01:04:31,520 say that the peak hour background 1570 01:04:31,520 --> 01:04:34,480 traffic is 100 cars to that intersection 1571 01:04:34,480 --> 01:04:36,559 and this application adds I'm just 1572 01:04:36,559 --> 01:04:40,079 making numbers up 30. this development 1573 01:04:40,079 --> 01:04:44,960 would be responsible for 30% of their fair share of the future 1574 01:04:44,960 --> 01:04:47,440 improvements for that intersection. 1575 01:04:47,440 --> 01:04:49,760 >> Thank you. 1576 01:04:49,760 --> 01:04:52,799 >> Yeah. Um now on that property now you 1577 01:04:52,799 --> 01:04:54,960 said there's three accesses. Are they 1578 01:04:54,960 --> 01:04:57,359 actually there? The three accesses off 1579 01:04:57,359 --> 01:05:00,079 of 140 or they just you just have the 1580 01:05:00,079 --> 01:05:02,079 right away. 1581 01:05:02,079 --> 01:05:02,240 Well, 1582 01:05:02,240 --> 01:05:04,079 >> there's there's one driveway on the 1583 01:05:04,079 --> 01:05:06,240 westerly end for sure. Dan, are the 1584 01:05:06,240 --> 01:05:11,510 other two in or just reservations? 1585 01:05:11,520 --> 01:05:13,359 It's kind of a little farm. 1586 01:05:13,359 --> 01:05:14,160 >> Yeah. 1587 01:05:14,160 --> 01:05:15,599 >> Access there from the highway. 1588 01:05:15,599 --> 01:05:16,960 >> Go back out there. You could you could 1589 01:05:16,960 --> 01:05:19,280 see the three access. 1590 01:05:19,280 --> 01:05:20,400 >> No, no, 1591 01:05:20,400 --> 01:05:22,559 >> no, They're reservations. 1592 01:05:22,559 --> 01:05:24,400 >> They're on their reservations on paper 1593 01:05:24,400 --> 01:05:25,200 through OD, 1594 01:05:25,200 --> 01:05:29,750 >> right? Okay. That's that's what 1595 01:05:29,760 --> 01:05:31,599 » Okay. Further questions from the 1596 01:05:31,599 --> 01:05:35,200 commission for for the applicant? 1597 01:05:35,200 --> 01:05:37,039 Hearing none. Thank you so much for your 1598 01:05:37,039 --> 01:05:39,920 testimony. Okay. Now, we're going to 1599 01:05:39,920 --> 01:05:42,079 call people off of their slips that they 1600 01:05:42,079 --> 01:05:44,000 filled out. So, we're going to try to 1601 01:05:44,000 --> 01:05:47,039 avoid any real chaos here if we can. Um, 1602 01:05:47,039 --> 01:05:50,240 so it would be good. Robin, are they are 1603 01:05:50,240 --> 01:05:52,000 they noted as to whether they're an 1604 01:05:52,000 --> 01:06:01,990 opponent or a proponent? 1605 01:06:02,000 --> 01:06:03,920 » Okay. So that that would be the first 1606 01:06:03,920 --> 01:06:09,680 group that we want to hear from are the ones that have opposition. So go ahead Rob. 1607 01:06:09,680 --> 01:06:12,880 >> We typically just 1608 01:06:12,880 --> 01:06:16,789 favor. 1609 01:06:16,799 --> 01:06:18,559 » Okay. Uh 1610 01:06:18,559 --> 01:06:20,720 >> oh, you're right. 1611 01:06:20,720 --> 01:06:25,680 >> opposition. 1612 01:06:25,680 --> 01:06:34,230 >> Okay. And that was it. 1613 01:06:34,240 --> 01:06:35,839 Is that Yeah. So, we can call the first 1614 01:06:35,839 --> 01:06:37,680 person. Yeah. 1615 01:06:37,680 --> 01:06:41,670 >> David Ferguson 1616 01:06:41,680 --> 01:06:43,520 helpful to announce who's on deck so 1617 01:06:43,520 --> 01:06:51,589 that they can 1618 01:06:51,599 --> 01:06:53,119 language. 1619 01:06:53,119 --> 01:06:54,559 Please raise your right hand. Do you 1620 01:06:54,559 --> 01:06:56,000 swear to confirm that the statements you 1621 01:06:56,000 --> 01:06:57,200 make at this hearing shall be true to 1622 01:06:57,200 --> 01:06:59,119 your best? 1623 01:06:59,119 --> 01:07:01,039 >> Yes. Please state your name and address 1624 01:07:01,039 --> 01:07:01,839 for the record. 1625 01:07:01,839 --> 01:07:06,960 >> David Ferguson, 7845 Mark Lane, Clamoth 1626 01:07:06,960 --> 01:07:07,920 Falls. 1627 01:07:07,920 --> 01:07:10,240 >> Mr. Ferguson, you'll have five minutes. 1628 01:07:10,240 --> 01:07:13,599 >> Okay. Two things. One being the water in 1629 01:07:13,599 --> 01:07:16,160 that area. When they put that well in 1630 01:07:16,160 --> 01:07:18,000 and started pumping, there's already 1631 01:07:18,000 --> 01:07:20,240 been two rel two neighbors that have 1632 01:07:20,240 --> 01:07:22,480 lost their water. 1633 01:07:22,480 --> 01:07:26,400 Now, I took the state's um water usage 1634 01:07:26,400 --> 01:07:31,440 averages of 105 homes is 26,250 1635 01:07:31,440 --> 01:07:35,359 gallons per day. Now, me being on a well 1636 01:07:35,359 --> 01:07:37,599 and a lot of others on wells, what's 1637 01:07:37,599 --> 01:07:39,440 going to happen when they draw that down 1638 01:07:39,440 --> 01:07:42,640 even more and we lose our water? How are 1639 01:07:42,640 --> 01:07:44,559 we going to, 1640 01:07:44,559 --> 01:07:46,319 you know, what's going to happen to our 1641 01:07:46,319 --> 01:07:48,079 wells? 1642 01:07:48,079 --> 01:07:49,920 And the other thing is the amount of 1643 01:07:49,920 --> 01:07:53,039 traffic going down Hillyard now is 1644 01:07:53,039 --> 01:07:56,319 fairly heavy. There's no bike paths. 1645 01:07:56,319 --> 01:07:59,440 There's a lot of kids, bikes, horses, 1646 01:07:59,440 --> 01:08:02,480 riders that go up and down that street. 1647 01:08:02,480 --> 01:08:05,760 Adding that many more houses in that 1648 01:08:05,760 --> 01:08:08,240 area is going to cause congestion. I've 1649 01:08:08,240 --> 01:08:10,240 been down at the end of Hillyard early 1650 01:08:10,240 --> 01:08:12,240 of the morning when everybody's going to 1651 01:08:12,240 --> 01:08:14,720 work. You're eight or nine cars back 1652 01:08:14,720 --> 01:08:17,600 trying to get out on the sixth out about 1653 01:08:17,600 --> 01:08:20,159 another 30 or 40 more homes. And what's 1654 01:08:20,159 --> 01:08:23,040 going to happen? And have they ever done 1655 01:08:23,040 --> 01:08:26,560 a uh water underground water study to 1656 01:08:26,560 --> 01:08:30,880 see what the water table is like there? 1657 01:08:30,880 --> 01:08:32,560 You know, those are my two main 1658 01:08:32,560 --> 01:08:34,560 concerns. 1659 01:08:34,560 --> 01:08:37,199 >> Okay. Does that conclude your testimony? 1660 01:08:37,199 --> 01:08:38,719 Yes. Okay. Stay right where you are. 1661 01:08:38,719 --> 01:08:40,239 Does anybody in the planning commission 1662 01:08:40,239 --> 01:08:43,120 have questions for this gentleman? 1663 01:08:43,120 --> 01:08:44,640 Okay, hearing none. Thank you so much 1664 01:08:44,640 --> 01:08:47,040 for your testimony. Now, I did start 1665 01:08:47,040 --> 01:08:49,120 that incorrectly, so we need to switch 1666 01:08:49,120 --> 01:08:52,000 lanes here. And those that support would 1667 01:08:52,000 --> 01:08:54,159 be the ones we want to hear from now. 1668 01:08:54,159 --> 01:08:58,630 Apologize for that. 1669 01:08:58,640 --> 01:08:59,520 » It's okay. 1670 01:08:59,520 --> 01:09:00,480 Yeah. 1671 01:09:00,480 --> 01:09:01,520 >> Okay. [laughter] 1672 01:09:01,520 --> 01:09:04,159 Thank you, Madam Chair. Okay. So, we'll 1673 01:09:04,159 --> 01:09:05,600 continue then to hear from those that 1674 01:09:05,600 --> 01:09:19,749 are opposed. 1675 01:09:19,759 --> 01:09:20,480 I do. 1676 01:09:20,480 --> 01:09:22,319 >> Please state your name and address. 1677 01:09:22,319 --> 01:09:25,600 >> Drew Langley. I live at 7215 Hillyard 1678 01:09:25,600 --> 01:09:27,600 Avenue here in Clamoth Falls. 1679 01:09:27,600 --> 01:09:29,440 >> Mr. Langley, you have five minutes. 1680 01:09:29,440 --> 01:09:32,000 >> Good. Hey, can we can we get you to put 1681 01:09:32,000 --> 01:09:34,000 one of your pictures back up here? Sure. 1682 01:09:34,000 --> 01:09:36,480 the picture of 1683 01:09:36,480 --> 01:09:40,319 Hillyard Avenue facing east from South 1684 01:09:40,319 --> 01:09:53,189 Sixth Street. 1685 01:09:53,199 --> 01:09:55,679 Well, he's looking for that. Um, I'll 1686 01:09:55,679 --> 01:09:59,760 mimic some of his concerns. Uh we had a 1687 01:09:59,760 --> 01:10:03,520 well at our house and they've drilled 1688 01:10:03,520 --> 01:10:05,360 other wells and they've extended wells 1689 01:10:05,360 --> 01:10:07,199 and all that and we've lost our well. 1690 01:10:07,199 --> 01:10:09,920 Cost us $5,000 to get hooked up to city 1691 01:10:09,920 --> 01:10:12,719 water. That was five or six years ago. I 1692 01:10:12,719 --> 01:10:13,920 can't imagine what it's going to cost 1693 01:10:13,920 --> 01:10:18,560 now to do that. Um but 1694 01:10:18,560 --> 01:10:21,360 I I guess my intentions here are pretty 1695 01:10:21,360 --> 01:10:23,920 selfish because I'm concerned about 1696 01:10:23,920 --> 01:10:27,600 traffic flow. I'm concerned about where 1697 01:10:27,600 --> 01:10:29,760 are all these kids that are going to 1698 01:10:29,760 --> 01:10:30,960 move into these houses? Where are they 1699 01:10:30,960 --> 01:10:32,800 going to go to school? That's Henley 1700 01:10:32,800 --> 01:10:35,600 School District there. Henley is at its 1701 01:10:35,600 --> 01:10:39,199 peak right now. Um so that that's just a 1702 01:10:39,199 --> 01:10:42,159 question with that. Um Enterprise 1703 01:10:42,159 --> 01:10:44,640 Irrigation, we're only allotted a 1704 01:10:44,640 --> 01:10:48,000 certain amount of water that comes 1705 01:10:48,000 --> 01:10:51,120 through that ditch and we get about six 1706 01:10:51,120 --> 01:10:55,199 weeks of water. So with that, when that 1707 01:10:55,199 --> 01:10:57,280 water's done, they shut it off and we go 1708 01:10:57,280 --> 01:11:00,159 back to using city water or private 1709 01:11:00,159 --> 01:11:04,239 wellwater to irrigate gardens and lawns 1710 01:11:04,239 --> 01:11:06,320 and things like that. So again, there's 1711 01:11:06,320 --> 01:11:09,440 a water issue. Uh if they drill that 1712 01:11:09,440 --> 01:11:14,800 well deeper up on the hill, okay, um 1713 01:11:14,800 --> 01:11:16,320 what is going to happen to all those 1714 01:11:16,320 --> 01:11:18,239 domestic wells that are on there? And 1715 01:11:18,239 --> 01:11:20,800 there's several shared wells. Skyline is 1716 01:11:20,800 --> 01:11:24,400 on a shared well. There's other houses. 1717 01:11:24,400 --> 01:11:26,080 There's about 12 houses on another 1718 01:11:26,080 --> 01:11:28,640 shared well. That's one of the major 1719 01:11:28,640 --> 01:11:32,320 concerns. This is Hillyard. 1720 01:11:32,320 --> 01:11:35,199 My house sits right around the corner. 1721 01:11:35,199 --> 01:11:37,760 You can see my house 1722 01:11:37,760 --> 01:11:39,760 up Hillyard there. I'm the first one 1723 01:11:39,760 --> 01:11:42,239 past the fire station. When I bought my 1724 01:11:42,239 --> 01:11:44,960 house in 2000, 1725 01:11:44,960 --> 01:11:47,360 Sierra Heights was not fully developed 1726 01:11:47,360 --> 01:11:48,960 up there. Hidden Valley was not 1727 01:11:48,960 --> 01:11:53,040 developed there. Traffic has quadrupled 1728 01:11:53,040 --> 01:11:55,600 at least in the amount of time that I 1729 01:11:55,600 --> 01:11:58,000 have lived there. There are no sidewalks 1730 01:11:58,000 --> 01:12:00,640 on that road. There are no street lights 1731 01:12:00,640 --> 01:12:02,640 on that road. 1732 01:12:02,640 --> 01:12:05,360 You're going to put a hundred houses up 1733 01:12:05,360 --> 01:12:07,760 there 1734 01:12:07,760 --> 01:12:11,920 with no infrastructure in place. 1735 01:12:11,920 --> 01:12:14,080 Nobody has mentioned that there's an 1736 01:12:14,080 --> 01:12:15,600 exit, 1737 01:12:15,600 --> 01:12:17,920 you know what, 200 feet down the road 1738 01:12:17,920 --> 01:12:20,719 from the community college. Try to get 1739 01:12:20,719 --> 01:12:22,880 out from Hillyard onto South Sixth 1740 01:12:22,880 --> 01:12:26,000 Street at class time change. 1741 01:12:26,000 --> 01:12:29,280 It's a disaster. 1742 01:12:29,280 --> 01:12:32,719 Maybe their grand plan on on South Sixth 1743 01:12:32,719 --> 01:12:35,679 Street's re redo will fix that, but 1744 01:12:35,679 --> 01:12:38,560 right now it's a disaster. Um and the 1745 01:12:38,560 --> 01:12:41,199 fire department is there on that skewed 1746 01:12:41,199 --> 01:12:44,320 intersection. Uh th those are our major 1747 01:12:44,320 --> 01:12:47,600 concerns is water schooling for the 1748 01:12:47,600 --> 01:12:51,360 kids. Um safety 1749 01:12:51,360 --> 01:12:53,199 there there are no sidewalks. There's no 1750 01:12:53,199 --> 01:12:56,560 curbs going down Hillyard. 1751 01:12:56,560 --> 01:12:58,400 So and it's a half mile straight 1752 01:12:58,400 --> 01:13:01,520 stretch. It's a 25 mph zone that is 1753 01:13:01,520 --> 01:13:06,800 hardly ever patrolled and is hardly ever 1754 01:13:06,800 --> 01:13:09,360 observed by people driving up and down 1755 01:13:09,360 --> 01:13:12,640 that road. So, I guess those would be 1756 01:13:12,640 --> 01:13:16,159 the concerns for me being the first 1757 01:13:16,159 --> 01:13:18,880 house on that road. Every single one of 1758 01:13:18,880 --> 01:13:21,280 those new cars is going to go in front 1759 01:13:21,280 --> 01:13:25,430 of my house. 1760 01:13:25,440 --> 01:13:26,880 » That concludes your testimony. 1761 01:13:26,880 --> 01:13:27,440 >> Yes, sir. 1762 01:13:27,440 --> 01:13:29,520 >> Okay. Does anybody have any questions 1763 01:13:29,520 --> 01:13:31,120 for this gentleman from the planning 1764 01:13:31,120 --> 01:13:31,600 commission? 1765 01:13:31,600 --> 01:13:32,480 >> I have one question. 1766 01:13:32,480 --> 01:13:33,679 >> Go ahead, Jack. Sure. 1767 01:13:33,679 --> 01:13:36,800 >> Are you familiar with the currently 1768 01:13:36,800 --> 01:13:39,280 irrigated portion of the proposed zone 1769 01:13:39,280 --> 01:13:41,360 change area and whether or not you've 1770 01:13:41,360 --> 01:13:42,800 seen it using its a lotment of 1771 01:13:42,800 --> 01:13:44,560 enterprise irrigation water? It 1772 01:13:44,560 --> 01:13:46,640 >> it probably has not been using it 1773 01:13:46,640 --> 01:13:49,199 because it hasn't been irrigated. 1774 01:13:49,199 --> 01:13:53,199 U it's been barren land for multiple 1775 01:13:53,199 --> 01:13:56,400 years. Um, and so if they build houses 1776 01:13:56,400 --> 01:13:58,480 up there and people do start to use that 1777 01:13:58,480 --> 01:14:01,920 water, that uses up our aotment quicker, 1778 01:14:01,920 --> 01:14:05,920 I would assume. So I I don't know that 1779 01:14:05,920 --> 01:14:08,480 for as a fact, but that's just what my 1780 01:14:08,480 --> 01:14:10,400 opinion would be. 1781 01:14:10,400 --> 01:14:12,719 >> Any further questions? 1782 01:14:12,719 --> 01:14:14,400 >> Thank you so much for your testimony, 1783 01:14:14,400 --> 01:14:28,950 Robin. 1784 01:14:28,960 --> 01:14:33,036 Kaitlyn Mendoza. 1785 01:14:33,046 --> 01:14:36,966 [laughter] 1786 01:14:36,976 --> 01:14:40,070 [clears throat] 1787 01:14:40,080 --> 01:14:41,440 » Please raise your right hand. Do you 1788 01:14:41,440 --> 01:14:43,040 swear the statements you make at this 1789 01:14:43,040 --> 01:14:45,120 hearing shall be true? 1790 01:14:45,120 --> 01:14:45,840 >> Yes. 1791 01:14:45,840 --> 01:14:48,000 >> Please say your name and that photo. Uh 1792 01:14:48,000 --> 01:14:51,280 Kayla Mendoza and it's 7509 South 6th 1793 01:14:51,280 --> 01:14:52,239 Street. 1794 01:14:52,239 --> 01:14:54,080 >> Miss Mendoza, you have five minutes. 1795 01:14:54,080 --> 01:14:57,440 >> Thank you. Um so uh my partner and I 1796 01:14:57,440 --> 01:14:59,440 have recently purchased um Goodell 1797 01:14:59,440 --> 01:15:02,239 Veterinary Clinic. So we are on the 1798 01:15:02,239 --> 01:15:06,080 corner on 140 and Western right next to 1799 01:15:06,080 --> 01:15:10,000 it. Our concerns are mainly um the water 1800 01:15:10,000 --> 01:15:14,080 starting there um and traffic concerns. 1801 01:15:14,080 --> 01:15:17,679 with the traffic. Um, you made a point 1802 01:15:17,679 --> 01:15:22,560 about planning a center lane, turn lane. 1803 01:15:22,560 --> 01:15:25,199 We you kind of touched on that and 1804 01:15:25,199 --> 01:15:28,080 talking about having enough time to stop 1805 01:15:28,080 --> 01:15:30,640 when you have I mean there are hay 1806 01:15:30,640 --> 01:15:32,800 trucks that go up and down that road. Do 1807 01:15:32,800 --> 01:15:35,120 they have plenty of time to stop? 1808 01:15:35,120 --> 01:15:38,320 livestock trailers, horse trailers, it 1809 01:15:38,320 --> 01:15:40,960 takes a significant amount of time to 1810 01:15:40,960 --> 01:15:44,000 stop when you're going 45 1811 01:15:44,000 --> 01:15:46,239 coming down, which most people in that 1812 01:15:46,239 --> 01:15:48,320 area already know to kind of slow down 1813 01:15:48,320 --> 01:15:52,640 to make those turns, but you never know. 1814 01:15:52,640 --> 01:15:57,520 Um, and then how long is the planned 1815 01:15:57,520 --> 01:16:00,800 um, center turn lane and how that would 1816 01:16:00,800 --> 01:16:05,600 affect that 140 south 6 intersection? 1817 01:16:05,600 --> 01:16:08,640 Um, they just replaced a bunch of power 1818 01:16:08,640 --> 01:16:11,280 poles all along 140. So, if they are 1819 01:16:11,280 --> 01:16:13,120 going to widen the road, which direction 1820 01:16:13,120 --> 01:16:15,920 would you be, you know, widening it if 1821 01:16:15,920 --> 01:16:18,000 it's going to be on our side of the 1822 01:16:18,000 --> 01:16:20,800 street or the other side? So, just kind 1823 01:16:20,800 --> 01:16:23,280 of thoughts to think about those since 1824 01:16:23,280 --> 01:16:25,040 they just put a bunch of money and with 1825 01:16:25,040 --> 01:16:28,000 that traffic, it's been a nightmare 1826 01:16:28,000 --> 01:16:34,320 going in and out and getting around. Um, 1827 01:16:34,320 --> 01:16:37,920 I had one more thing too. There on our 1828 01:16:37,920 --> 01:16:40,800 side, we have a hill and it's really 1829 01:16:40,800 --> 01:16:42,719 sandy. I don't know if you guys looked 1830 01:16:42,719 --> 01:16:44,400 at 1831 01:16:44,400 --> 01:16:47,360 um the ground there and the stability if 1832 01:16:47,360 --> 01:16:49,920 you were planning on flattening that out 1833 01:16:49,920 --> 01:16:52,719 or if it was just we're going to kind of 1834 01:16:52,719 --> 01:16:54,400 build on this hill. And 1835 01:16:54,400 --> 01:16:56,960 >> ma'am, could you please address the 1836 01:16:56,960 --> 01:16:57,840 commission with your 1837 01:16:57,840 --> 01:17:00,320 >> Sorry. 1838 01:17:00,320 --> 01:17:04,000 So with with the ground being so sandy, 1839 01:17:04,000 --> 01:17:08,159 um how that would if houses would fall 1840 01:17:08,159 --> 01:17:10,400 or whatnot or you know building 1841 01:17:10,400 --> 01:17:17,040 something there to stand it up. Um 1842 01:17:17,040 --> 01:17:20,000 and I think that's our main concerns, 1843 01:17:20,000 --> 01:17:22,239 you know, just wanted to touch on to 1844 01:17:22,239 --> 01:17:23,760 think about. 1845 01:17:23,760 --> 01:17:26,080 >> Okay, that concludes your testimony. 1846 01:17:26,080 --> 01:17:26,400 >> Yes. 1847 01:17:26,400 --> 01:17:27,920 >> Okay. Does anybody on the planning 1848 01:17:27,920 --> 01:17:29,440 commission have a question for this 1849 01:17:29,440 --> 01:17:31,920 lady? Thank you so much for your 1850 01:17:31,920 --> 01:17:33,440 testimony. We really appreciate it. 1851 01:17:33,440 --> 01:17:33,840 >> Thank you. 1852 01:17:33,840 --> 01:17:47,189 >> Go ahead, Robin. 1853 01:17:47,199 --> 01:17:49,440 » Yeah, I do. 1854 01:17:49,440 --> 01:17:52,719 Uh, it's Todd Hamlin, 7849 Highway 140 1855 01:17:52,719 --> 01:17:53,679 East. 1856 01:17:53,679 --> 01:17:55,120 >> Mr. You have five minutes. 1857 01:17:55,120 --> 01:17:58,320 >> Okay. I live right next to the property 1858 01:17:58,320 --> 01:18:00,800 that they're looking to develop down on 1859 01:18:00,800 --> 01:18:04,560 the highway part of it. As they all say, 1860 01:18:04,560 --> 01:18:06,800 the water is an issue, but also the 1861 01:18:06,800 --> 01:18:08,880 traffic because if they do widen that 1862 01:18:08,880 --> 01:18:10,080 road, where are they going to take it 1863 01:18:10,080 --> 01:18:12,400 from the properties across the street? 1864 01:18:12,400 --> 01:18:15,440 Because there's not enough room over to 1865 01:18:15,440 --> 01:18:18,239 where, like they said with power poles, 1866 01:18:18,239 --> 01:18:19,679 they just put all that in. There's not 1867 01:18:19,679 --> 01:18:21,760 enough room to extend that way. So, 1868 01:18:21,760 --> 01:18:24,080 they're going to ease into the people 1869 01:18:24,080 --> 01:18:27,440 across the road. And then how far like 1870 01:18:27,440 --> 01:18:29,920 she asked was how far does it go 1871 01:18:29,920 --> 01:18:34,080 actually go down from the Y junction 1872 01:18:34,080 --> 01:18:38,159 towards the corner of 140? Because the 1873 01:18:38,159 --> 01:18:42,320 50 mph speed limit, nobody obeys it. And 1874 01:18:42,320 --> 01:18:44,560 there's multiple wrecks on that corner. 1875 01:18:44,560 --> 01:18:46,239 For whatever reason, nobody can drive 1876 01:18:46,239 --> 01:18:48,320 that corner. So, if you add more 1877 01:18:48,320 --> 01:18:52,239 traffic, it's not going to help because 1878 01:18:52,239 --> 01:18:57,040 he Mr. Young asked about like south view 1879 01:18:57,040 --> 01:18:59,199 and all that with it coming onto a 1880 01:18:59,199 --> 01:19:01,120 highway which is totally different 1881 01:19:01,120 --> 01:19:04,159 because that's actually 1882 01:19:04,159 --> 01:19:06,480 so much wider and there's a lot less 1883 01:19:06,480 --> 01:19:09,679 traffic because you have them coming in 1884 01:19:09,679 --> 01:19:12,640 nothing really past there where they're 1885 01:19:12,640 --> 01:19:14,880 coming in and out except for the traffic 1886 01:19:14,880 --> 01:19:18,880 going to and from Medford and so because 1887 01:19:18,880 --> 01:19:20,960 most everybody from running Y goes down 1888 01:19:20,960 --> 01:19:25,199 Lake Shore And you have Pine Grove Veil, 1889 01:19:25,199 --> 01:19:28,560 Shield Trust, or I guess yeah, all out 1890 01:19:28,560 --> 01:19:31,760 there, which has more traffic going by 1891 01:19:31,760 --> 01:19:34,800 our house than anybody that he asked 1892 01:19:34,800 --> 01:19:36,880 about them subdivisions. 1893 01:19:36,880 --> 01:19:39,040 And 1894 01:19:39,040 --> 01:19:40,800 I didn't realize that they were looking 1895 01:19:40,800 --> 01:19:45,360 to put a road in off of 140 because that 1896 01:19:45,360 --> 01:19:48,159 just is going to create more problems 1897 01:19:48,159 --> 01:19:50,320 for the traffic. 1898 01:19:50,320 --> 01:19:54,320 And uh my other issue is when they do 1899 01:19:54,320 --> 01:19:56,480 build, if they do get approved for this 1900 01:19:56,480 --> 01:19:57,760 and then they end up with the 1901 01:19:57,760 --> 01:19:59,760 subdivision, what's going to be the 1902 01:19:59,760 --> 01:20:02,480 barrier between the properties they're 1903 01:20:02,480 --> 01:20:04,880 building and my property? because right 1904 01:20:04,880 --> 01:20:08,400 now it's just a field and it's never, 1905 01:20:08,400 --> 01:20:11,280 you know, going to have 14 homes right 1906 01:20:11,280 --> 01:20:14,880 next to my property and I water when we 1907 01:20:14,880 --> 01:20:19,520 have irrigation water and it's like 1908 01:20:19,520 --> 01:20:21,600 how's it going to affect all that 1909 01:20:21,600 --> 01:20:23,600 because 1910 01:20:23,600 --> 01:20:26,719 they haven't you asked about the uh 1911 01:20:26,719 --> 01:20:28,320 irrigation 1912 01:20:28,320 --> 01:20:30,960 there's a pump for that property but it 1913 01:20:30,960 --> 01:20:33,520 has no power to it. So, as long as I've 1914 01:20:33,520 --> 01:20:36,560 lived there since 2020, 1915 01:20:36,560 --> 01:20:38,719 the only time it's ever been mowed, ever 1916 01:20:38,719 --> 01:20:40,719 tended to was the last two years. Other 1917 01:20:40,719 --> 01:20:43,280 than that, it's just been overgrown and 1918 01:20:43,280 --> 01:20:45,280 uh Enterprise has to deal with all of 1919 01:20:45,280 --> 01:20:47,840 it. So, that's all I have to say. Thank 1920 01:20:47,840 --> 01:20:48,800 you. 1921 01:20:48,800 --> 01:20:50,719 >> Okay, hang on. Maybe somebody has a 1922 01:20:50,719 --> 01:20:52,000 question. 1923 01:20:52,000 --> 01:20:55,280 >> Any have a question? Um, so I I 1924 01:20:55,280 --> 01:20:56,960 appreciate you expressing your concern 1925 01:20:56,960 --> 01:20:59,040 about a separation between your property 1926 01:20:59,040 --> 01:21:01,600 and the potential for new houses next 1927 01:21:01,600 --> 01:21:02,960 door. 1928 01:21:02,960 --> 01:21:06,159 >> With it currently zoned commercial, is 1929 01:21:06,159 --> 01:21:09,600 the potential for a big box store next 1930 01:21:09,600 --> 01:21:11,920 door equally upsetting? 1931 01:21:11,920 --> 01:21:15,360 >> I'd rather have a Costco there than 30, 1932 01:21:15,360 --> 01:21:16,320 40 houses. 1933 01:21:16,320 --> 01:21:18,480 >> Be more traffic. Be a lot more traffic. 1934 01:21:18,480 --> 01:21:21,280 >> But I mean, you'd have a quiet zone. You 1935 01:21:21,280 --> 01:21:23,840 put all them houses in there. my quiet 1936 01:21:23,840 --> 01:21:26,880 area that I have now isn't going to be 1937 01:21:26,880 --> 01:21:31,120 quiet ever because with like uh glacier 1938 01:21:31,120 --> 01:21:34,080 and all that, it's loud up there. It's 1939 01:21:34,080 --> 01:21:36,640 not as bad, but like you know, Fourth of 1940 01:21:36,640 --> 01:21:38,800 July, all that, you get all the 1941 01:21:38,800 --> 01:21:40,480 fireworks, all that, and it goes on for 1942 01:21:40,480 --> 01:21:42,320 days. Next, I'm going to have it right 1943 01:21:42,320 --> 01:21:44,159 next to my house and I'll have to listen 1944 01:21:44,159 --> 01:21:46,960 to it. That's why we moved there was to 1945 01:21:46,960 --> 01:21:50,880 get out of the neighborhoods and I just 1946 01:21:50,880 --> 01:21:54,080 would see it go that way. So, 1947 01:21:54,080 --> 01:21:55,920 >> thank you. 1948 01:21:55,920 --> 01:21:57,199 >> Any further questions, 1949 01:21:57,199 --> 01:21:59,600 >> Randy? I have one, 1950 01:21:59,600 --> 01:22:00,639 >> Jeff. 1951 01:22:00,639 --> 01:22:02,320 >> Hey, so 1952 01:22:02,320 --> 01:22:03,920 >> you came on. Thank you. 1953 01:22:03,920 --> 01:22:05,280 >> Yeah, no problem. Thank you for 1954 01:22:05,280 --> 01:22:07,840 testifying. Do you I was wondering, sir, 1955 01:22:07,840 --> 01:22:10,000 if you have a well, and if so, how deep 1956 01:22:10,000 --> 01:22:12,880 is the well? I'm curious about I was not 1957 01:22:12,880 --> 01:22:14,880 able to pull well logs while we were 1958 01:22:14,880 --> 01:22:18,000 talking. Hoping you can help with that. 1959 01:22:18,000 --> 01:22:21,199 >> Um actually we do have a well and as far 1960 01:22:21,199 --> 01:22:24,800 as the depth goes I don't know. Um 1961 01:22:24,800 --> 01:22:27,040 because I've looked on the well where 1962 01:22:27,040 --> 01:22:28,800 they've been drilled and it tells you 1963 01:22:28,800 --> 01:22:30,719 how everybody around you how far they 1964 01:22:30,719 --> 01:22:35,280 are deep. Ours is not there. Maybe Mr. 1965 01:22:35,280 --> 01:22:37,199 Horton could answer that question since 1966 01:22:37,199 --> 01:22:40,560 his parents owned that property years 1967 01:22:40,560 --> 01:22:42,080 past. 1968 01:22:42,080 --> 01:22:44,719 Other than that, I have no idea. 1969 01:22:44,719 --> 01:22:47,360 >> Okay. Thanks. 1970 01:22:47,360 --> 01:22:49,440 >> Any further, Jim? 1971 01:22:49,440 --> 01:22:51,600 >> No, that's that's what I was curious 1972 01:22:51,600 --> 01:22:53,199 about right now. 1973 01:22:53,199 --> 01:22:54,719 >> Okay. Thank you very much for your 1974 01:22:54,719 --> 01:22:57,402 testimony, Robin. 1975 01:22:57,402 --> 01:23:07,910 [clears throat] 1976 01:23:07,920 --> 01:23:10,400 Yes, please say your name and address. 1977 01:23:10,400 --> 01:23:13,440 >> It's Terry McCcler, 7604 Hillyard. 1978 01:23:13,440 --> 01:23:15,199 >> Miss McClur, you have five minutes. 1979 01:23:15,199 --> 01:23:15,520 >> Huh? 1980 01:23:15,520 --> 01:23:18,880 >> You have five minutes. So, I live right 1981 01:23:18,880 --> 01:23:21,280 across from Sierra Heights. The 1982 01:23:21,280 --> 01:23:25,120 driveway. They do not stop. 1983 01:23:25,120 --> 01:23:27,120 Hilliard, they come screaming down the 1984 01:23:27,120 --> 01:23:29,520 street. They even went and stole the 25 1985 01:23:29,520 --> 01:23:32,080 mph stop sign. 1986 01:23:32,080 --> 01:23:34,159 I almost got hit last night just trying 1987 01:23:34,159 --> 01:23:37,760 to get across the street to my mailbox. 1988 01:23:37,760 --> 01:23:40,719 There is no They patch you if you're 1989 01:23:40,719 --> 01:23:44,080 going 25. Hillard Street is a old 1990 01:23:44,080 --> 01:23:45,600 street. 1991 01:23:45,600 --> 01:23:48,239 There's no sidewalks, no lights. We have 1992 01:23:48,239 --> 01:23:51,120 burrow ditches, deep burrow ditches 1993 01:23:51,120 --> 01:23:53,679 along that street. 1994 01:23:53,679 --> 01:23:56,080 I mean, 1995 01:23:56,080 --> 01:23:58,480 a lot of people have lost their wells 1996 01:23:58,480 --> 01:24:01,199 because of the water system up above. 1997 01:24:01,199 --> 01:24:02,880 They says that it improve the 1998 01:24:02,880 --> 01:24:06,080 neighborhood. It has not. Neither Sierra 1999 01:24:06,080 --> 01:24:09,040 Heights or Hidden Valley. 2000 01:24:09,040 --> 01:24:11,600 We have more crime, more crap going on. 2001 01:24:11,600 --> 01:24:13,440 We have little kids on their electric 2002 01:24:13,440 --> 01:24:15,840 bikes screaming up and down the street. 2003 01:24:15,840 --> 01:24:18,639 We have fireworks from those areas. You 2004 01:24:18,639 --> 01:24:22,159 call 911, they don't do nothing. They 2005 01:24:22,159 --> 01:24:25,600 shoot him off over into our fields 2006 01:24:25,600 --> 01:24:28,960 and there's been a fire across my 2007 01:24:28,960 --> 01:24:31,520 house and they says, "Is there a fire?" 2008 01:24:31,520 --> 01:24:33,440 And I says, "Yes." And I says, "Do you 2009 01:24:33,440 --> 01:24:34,880 want the fire department to come?" 2010 01:24:34,880 --> 01:24:37,600 "Yes." Most of the homes are older 2011 01:24:37,600 --> 01:24:40,709 homes. 2012 01:24:40,719 --> 01:24:42,880 I guess that's all I have to say. 2013 01:24:42,880 --> 01:24:45,760 >> Okay. We have any questions for this 2014 01:24:45,760 --> 01:24:49,360 lady for for testimony? No. Thank you so 2015 01:24:49,360 --> 01:24:51,520 much for your testimony. Appreciate it. 2016 01:24:51,520 --> 01:25:01,030 product 2017 01:25:01,040 --> 01:25:02,480 from the statements you make at this 2018 01:25:02,480 --> 01:25:06,080 hearing for your knowledge. 2019 01:25:06,080 --> 01:25:07,360 >> Please state your name and address for 2020 01:25:07,360 --> 01:25:08,080 the record. 2021 01:25:08,080 --> 01:25:11,040 >> Charles Riley, 3117 Western Street. 2022 01:25:11,040 --> 01:25:12,960 >> Mr. Riley, you have five minutes. 2023 01:25:12,960 --> 01:25:16,320 >> Thank you. Um, so since it's a resoning 2024 01:25:16,320 --> 01:25:18,960 um, consideration here, I I started 2025 01:25:18,960 --> 01:25:21,679 looking at some of the zoning maps um, 2026 01:25:21,679 --> 01:25:23,760 and lot sizes. The only place I could 2027 01:25:23,760 --> 01:25:27,679 find with lots sizes at 0.14 acres or 2028 01:25:27,679 --> 01:25:30,719 less with in this number is the Mills 2029 01:25:30,719 --> 01:25:32,719 edition. 2030 01:25:32,719 --> 01:25:35,360 I I can't find any other places that 2031 01:25:35,360 --> 01:25:38,880 have single family lots uh, with this 2032 01:25:38,880 --> 01:25:41,120 kind of density. So for me, just looking 2033 01:25:41,120 --> 01:25:43,040 at at the development plan, it looks 2034 01:25:43,040 --> 01:25:46,159 like it's extremely dense for this area. 2035 01:25:46,159 --> 01:25:49,199 And this is an area that you've got 2036 01:25:49,199 --> 01:25:52,480 suburban residential moving towards um 2037 01:25:52,480 --> 01:25:55,040 exclusive farm use, right? And so if 2038 01:25:55,040 --> 01:25:56,639 we're putting in between suburban 2039 01:25:56,639 --> 01:25:59,840 residential, medium density, exclusive 2040 01:25:59,840 --> 01:26:02,080 farm use, the character of this 2041 01:26:02,080 --> 01:26:09,360 neighborhood is all over the place. It feels it feels very serene. Um, so my 2042 01:26:09,360 --> 01:26:11,520 that's my first concern is with density. 2043 01:26:11,520 --> 01:26:13,040 Um, I'm also concerned that Hidden 2044 01:26:13,040 --> 01:26:14,800 Valley isn't fully built out and we're 2045 01:26:14,800 --> 01:26:17,280 looking at another highdensity um, 2046 01:26:17,280 --> 01:26:20,080 development in the same area. If we 2047 01:26:20,080 --> 01:26:22,960 can't finish the developments that we 2048 01:26:22,960 --> 01:26:26,639 install, why are we looking to new ones? 2049 01:26:26,639 --> 01:26:28,320 Um, 2050 01:26:28,320 --> 01:26:32,239 I looked at uh the comprehensive 2051 01:26:32,239 --> 01:26:36,159 um comprehensive plan. Um, it's it's got 2052 01:26:36,159 --> 01:26:39,520 some goals. One of them is to uh in 2053 01:26:39,520 --> 01:26:41,679 unincorporated areas with within the 2054 01:26:41,679 --> 01:26:43,760 Clamoth Falls UGB, city and county 2055 01:26:43,760 --> 01:26:45,679 should collaborate to ensure that new 2056 01:26:45,679 --> 01:26:48,000 development occurs at urban densities 2057 01:26:48,000 --> 01:26:50,400 consistent with agreed on urban 2058 01:26:50,400 --> 01:26:53,360 densities. 2059 01:26:53,360 --> 01:26:56,800 Couldn't make sense of that. Um and it 2060 01:26:56,800 --> 01:26:58,080 seems like we're talking about urban 2061 01:26:58,080 --> 01:27:00,159 densities here. I'm not sure who's 2062 01:27:00,159 --> 01:27:01,600 agreed on them. I'm not sure what's 2063 01:27:01,600 --> 01:27:02,880 driving them. I'm not sure what the 2064 01:27:02,880 --> 01:27:04,960 goals are. In this case, it feels like 2065 01:27:04,960 --> 01:27:07,760 the goals are to make the most money out 2066 01:27:07,760 --> 01:27:10,320 of this this area as possible. And I get 2067 01:27:10,320 --> 01:27:13,120 that. But if if we're looking at 2068 01:27:13,120 --> 01:27:14,639 densities that are reasonable, I think 2069 01:27:14,639 --> 01:27:16,880 these are too much. 2070 01:27:16,880 --> 01:27:20,159 Um I'll echo everybody's concerns about 2071 01:27:20,159 --> 01:27:23,040 the the traffic on Hillyard um and the 2072 01:27:23,040 --> 01:27:26,080 impact of 140. The only thing I can see 2073 01:27:26,080 --> 01:27:27,520 remedying any of that is speed 2074 01:27:27,520 --> 01:27:28,719 reductions, which I haven't heard 2075 01:27:28,719 --> 01:27:30,800 anything about, and I would love to know 2076 01:27:30,800 --> 01:27:32,880 if consistent with this development, 2077 01:27:32,880 --> 01:27:34,400 there would have to be speed reductions. 2078 01:27:34,400 --> 01:27:36,639 I don't think you could maintain uh the 2079 01:27:36,639 --> 01:27:38,320 kind of speed limits that are that are 2080 01:27:38,320 --> 01:27:41,840 existing there. Um 2081 01:27:41,840 --> 01:27:44,159 I am served by the Enterprise Irrigation 2082 01:27:44,159 --> 01:27:46,159 District. I also have a well. My well is 2083 01:27:46,159 --> 01:27:49,520 80 ft deep. So far so good. But uh we 2084 01:27:49,520 --> 01:27:52,719 have a 5 acre horse property. Um, if we 2085 01:27:52,719 --> 01:27:55,280 were on city water, I I think it would 2086 01:27:55,280 --> 01:27:59,199 put us out of business. Um, and uh, we 2087 01:27:59,199 --> 01:28:01,520 do rely on enterprise as much um, as 2088 01:28:01,520 --> 01:28:04,159 they're able to serve. Uh, I'm 2089 01:28:04,159 --> 01:28:05,840 interested in knowing about how that 2090 01:28:05,840 --> 01:28:08,159 enterprise ditch would be addressed 2091 01:28:08,159 --> 01:28:09,440 through that property. It looks like 2092 01:28:09,440 --> 01:28:12,239 it's it's to be built on. Um, so what 2093 01:28:12,239 --> 01:28:14,400 does that look like when that ditch goes 2094 01:28:14,400 --> 01:28:17,199 underground or homes go on top of it? 2095 01:28:17,199 --> 01:28:18,719 Um, I'm also concerned about the 2096 01:28:18,719 --> 01:28:21,040 timeline and duration. I'm curious about 2097 01:28:21,040 --> 01:28:23,440 construction noise in building 118 2098 01:28:23,440 --> 01:28:25,440 single family residences. How long does 2099 01:28:25,440 --> 01:28:28,400 that go on? Uh what does that look like 2100 01:28:28,400 --> 01:28:34,000 for a community? Um and 2101 01:28:34,000 --> 01:28:36,800 I'll echo the the Hillyard um the 2102 01:28:36,800 --> 01:28:39,120 Hillyard improvements for kids waiting 2103 01:28:39,120 --> 01:28:41,920 for school buses uh effectively in 2104 01:28:41,920 --> 01:28:44,719 ditches um with traffic moving at high 2105 01:28:44,719 --> 01:28:46,800 speeds. None of that feels safe to me. 2106 01:28:46,800 --> 01:28:48,800 Um, and it seems like it would only get 2107 01:28:48,800 --> 01:28:52,239 worse with this. Uh, I'll also echo the 2108 01:28:52,239 --> 01:28:54,719 concern about the sand pit. Our property 2109 01:28:54,719 --> 01:28:57,679 also that's that sand pit um next to 2110 01:28:57,679 --> 01:29:00,960 Goodell's clinic and uh I would be very 2111 01:29:00,960 --> 01:29:04,000 concerned about burying anywhere close 2112 01:29:04,000 --> 01:29:06,960 to that. It's a pretty significant drop. 2113 01:29:06,960 --> 01:29:08,800 Um, I think I'll leave it there. Thank 2114 01:29:08,800 --> 01:29:10,080 you for allowing me to test. 2115 01:29:10,080 --> 01:29:11,600 >> Okay, don't leave. Somebody might have 2116 01:29:11,600 --> 01:29:13,920 questions for you. Do you have any 2117 01:29:13,920 --> 01:29:14,800 further journal? 2118 01:29:14,800 --> 01:29:17,280 >> I do Randy. 2119 01:29:17,280 --> 01:29:18,880 >> Okay, Jim. Go ahead. 2120 01:29:18,880 --> 01:29:21,920 >> Thanks. Um, thanks for your testimony. I 2121 01:29:21,920 --> 01:29:24,560 was curious, um, have [clears throat] 2122 01:29:24,560 --> 01:29:26,480 you considered, you know, what I'm 2123 01:29:26,480 --> 01:29:29,199 wondering is, um, have you considered 2124 01:29:29,199 --> 01:29:31,120 the fact that until there is higher 2125 01:29:31,120 --> 01:29:34,719 density in the area, there's going to be 2126 01:29:34,719 --> 01:29:36,880 little to no reason to make any 2127 01:29:36,880 --> 01:29:39,920 adjustments to traffic patterns or speed 2128 01:29:39,920 --> 01:29:43,280 limits on Highway 140. 2129 01:29:43,280 --> 01:29:46,320 that the traffic rules and the 2130 01:29:46,320 --> 01:29:49,360 regulations and the targeted enforcement 2131 01:29:49,360 --> 01:29:51,760 is often responsive to the number of 2132 01:29:51,760 --> 01:29:54,719 people who are there who have a stake in 2133 01:29:54,719 --> 01:29:58,320 all of this. And that as part of, you 2134 01:29:58,320 --> 01:30:01,679 know, development, it would encourage 2135 01:30:01,679 --> 01:30:05,920 more responsiveness by the various 2136 01:30:05,920 --> 01:30:08,480 agencies in the county and the city that 2137 01:30:08,480 --> 01:30:11,360 would otherwise, you know, be looking 2138 01:30:11,360 --> 01:30:14,560 to, you know, different parts of the u 2139 01:30:14,560 --> 01:30:17,840 the area. 2140 01:30:17,840 --> 01:30:20,239 >> Um, yeah, I can see that I because I'm 2141 01:30:20,239 --> 01:30:22,159 not opposed to any development. I'm 2142 01:30:22,159 --> 01:30:24,560 opposed to what feels like extreme 2143 01:30:24,560 --> 01:30:27,760 density. So, while they might respond to 2144 01:30:27,760 --> 01:30:29,120 more people because there are more 2145 01:30:29,120 --> 01:30:34,159 people there, um it it doesn't feel like 2146 01:30:34,159 --> 01:30:36,159 uh I don't know, maybe a worthwhile 2147 01:30:36,159 --> 01:30:37,920 trade-off. And I know ODOT's already 2148 01:30:37,920 --> 01:30:40,480 planning on working on that interchange 2149 01:30:40,480 --> 01:30:42,560 and and that may come with with speed 2150 01:30:42,560 --> 01:30:44,400 reductions as well or at least a more 2151 01:30:44,400 --> 01:30:47,520 functional um roundabout intersection at 2152 01:30:47,520 --> 01:30:48,880 140 and 39. 2153 01:30:48,880 --> 01:30:51,600 >> Okay. Then I'd ask you to if you could 2154 01:30:51,600 --> 01:30:54,719 stick around for the discussion because 2155 01:30:54,719 --> 01:30:57,120 we you know it's not something we can 2156 01:30:57,120 --> 01:30:59,199 talk about now but there will be a time 2157 01:30:59,199 --> 01:31:01,679 when we can voice our own you know 2158 01:31:01,679 --> 01:31:04,480 concerns and thoughts about this 2159 01:31:04,480 --> 01:31:08,480 >> and I hope that'll help. Yep. 2160 01:31:08,480 --> 01:31:10,000 >> Just a clarification on the speed 2161 01:31:10,000 --> 01:31:13,040 reductions. It's um in your opinion for 2162 01:31:13,040 --> 01:31:16,880 Highway 140 and for South Six, 2163 01:31:16,880 --> 01:31:18,560 everything internal of the subdivision 2164 01:31:18,560 --> 01:31:21,760 will be 25 and that's a statutory speed 2165 01:31:21,760 --> 01:31:24,480 for residential areas. So, so just to 2166 01:31:24,480 --> 01:31:27,920 clarify, it was Highway 140 and South 6 2167 01:31:27,920 --> 01:31:28,719 that you were 2168 01:31:28,719 --> 01:31:30,239 >> that I would imagine speed reductions 2169 01:31:30,239 --> 01:31:31,120 would be required. 2170 01:31:31,120 --> 01:31:31,360 >> Yeah. 2171 01:31:31,360 --> 01:31:35,679 with that with that entrance onto 140, I don't know how you could 2172 01:31:35,679 --> 01:31:38,960 maintain 50 and 45 mile per hour. Uh 2173 01:31:38,960 --> 01:31:40,880 even with even with that median, it 2174 01:31:40,880 --> 01:31:42,480 feels very unsafe. And with the the 2175 01:31:42,480 --> 01:31:45,280 sight distance around um the 2176 01:31:45,280 --> 01:31:49,270 intersection there at Western, 2177 01:31:49,280 --> 01:31:51,840 » can one of the planning staff um speak 2178 01:31:51,840 --> 01:31:54,080 to the urban densities consistent with 2179 01:31:54,080 --> 01:31:57,040 agreed on urban densities that uh Mr. 2180 01:31:57,040 --> 01:31:59,840 Riley was quoting? 2181 01:31:59,840 --> 01:32:01,679 you know where that comes from and what 2182 01:32:01,679 --> 01:32:04,000 that means. 2183 01:32:04,000 --> 01:32:05,920 >> Well, you guys adopted that. 2184 01:32:05,920 --> 01:32:08,080 >> So, before my time. So, I 2185 01:32:08,080 --> 01:32:11,760 >> So, was that in was that in the 2186 01:32:11,760 --> 01:32:13,600 >> county comprehensive plan or was that in 2187 01:32:13,600 --> 01:32:15,440 the urban comprehensive plan? 2188 01:32:15,440 --> 01:32:24,629 >> They was the city and county. 2189 01:32:24,639 --> 01:32:28,550 Sorry, 2190 01:32:28,560 --> 01:32:30,800 » the urban area comprehensive plan volume 2191 01:32:30,800 --> 01:32:35,280 one. Okay. April 2022. 2192 01:32:35,280 --> 01:32:38,080 >> Um, well, that was a bad choice of 2193 01:32:38,080 --> 01:32:39,679 language. I don't know who came up with 2194 01:32:39,679 --> 01:32:40,400 that. [laughter] 2195 01:32:40,400 --> 01:32:42,159 Um, I mean the non is that a 2196 01:32:42,159 --> 01:32:43,840 nonsequittor or something like that? I 2197 01:32:43,840 --> 01:32:45,760 don't know what it's called, but anyway. 2198 01:32:45,760 --> 01:32:48,320 Uh 2199 01:32:48,320 --> 01:32:49,920 well, he's got a good point and that is 2200 01:32:49,920 --> 01:32:52,560 that that that's you know this is 2201 01:32:52,560 --> 01:32:54,480 surrounded by suburban residential ex 2202 01:32:54,480 --> 01:33:00,480 with the exception on the north side of low low low density residential and 2203 01:33:00,480 --> 01:33:07,040 um but um as that's the the zeitgeist of 2204 01:33:07,040 --> 01:33:08,719 the past decade has been towards 2205 01:33:08,719 --> 01:33:10,560 densification 2206 01:33:10,560 --> 01:33:11,920 anywhere in the urban growth boundaries 2207 01:33:11,920 --> 01:33:15,280 in Oregon. And so that's part of that 2208 01:33:15,280 --> 01:33:18,159 gets whether it's intentional or not, it 2209 01:33:18,159 --> 01:33:19,760 always gets smuggled in on any kind of 2210 01:33:19,760 --> 01:33:22,480 long range planning because it's just 2211 01:33:22,480 --> 01:33:24,560 more homes, infill lots, all that stuff. 2212 01:33:24,560 --> 01:33:26,080 We hear about that and the legislature 2213 01:33:26,080 --> 01:33:28,800 is continually passing laws a huge 2214 01:33:28,800 --> 01:33:30,719 amount in the last few years that 2215 01:33:30,719 --> 01:33:33,360 sometimes require us to do that. Um, on 2216 01:33:33,360 --> 01:33:35,840 this we used to designate and say you 2217 01:33:35,840 --> 01:33:38,000 can have this size of a lot for a a 2218 01:33:38,000 --> 01:33:39,760 single family dwelling, but for a for a 2219 01:33:39,760 --> 01:33:41,440 duplex it has to be 3,000 square feet 2220 01:33:41,440 --> 01:33:44,320 bigger. That's illegal now. Our code is 2221 01:33:44,320 --> 01:33:45,679 illegal and has to be updated because of 2222 01:33:45,679 --> 01:33:48,320 the legislature. So I I don't think it 2223 01:33:48,320 --> 01:33:50,639 was anything nefarious. I but it's just 2224 01:33:50,639 --> 01:33:54,239 that seems that is the overall trend. 50 2225 01:33:54,239 --> 01:33:56,000 years from now it might reverse and go 2226 01:33:56,000 --> 01:33:59,040 back to trying to live dis distances but 2227 01:33:59,040 --> 01:34:00,960 it's just almost unavoidable in Oregon 2228 01:34:00,960 --> 01:34:05,120 planning to not up against that. 2229 01:34:05,120 --> 01:34:08,639 >> I I'd add to that and say that um inside 2230 01:34:08,639 --> 01:34:10,400 the urban growth boundary the county has 2231 01:34:10,400 --> 01:34:13,120 four residential zones. It has 2232 01:34:13,120 --> 01:34:15,360 residential suburban 2233 01:34:15,360 --> 01:34:17,600 um medium 2234 01:34:17,600 --> 01:34:22,400 and then high and then am I missing one? 2235 01:34:22,400 --> 01:34:24,320 um low, medium, high. 2236 01:34:24,320 --> 01:34:27,600 >> Yeah, low, medium, high, and suburban. 2237 01:34:27,600 --> 01:34:30,239 So, that's the agreed upon urban uh 2238 01:34:30,239 --> 01:34:33,520 zoning inside the UGB for the county. 2239 01:34:33,520 --> 01:34:36,159 The city has slightly different as as 2240 01:34:36,159 --> 01:34:37,440 the planning commissioners know. We had 2241 01:34:37,440 --> 01:34:40,400 a joint work session month ago, I 2242 01:34:40,400 --> 01:34:43,760 believe, and um and we're working 2243 01:34:43,760 --> 01:34:46,159 towards, you know, they they call they 2244 01:34:46,159 --> 01:34:47,760 don't have those zones. They call them 2245 01:34:47,760 --> 01:34:49,840 whatever the city zones are. And so when 2246 01:34:49,840 --> 01:34:51,920 one one of those zones annexes into the 2247 01:34:51,920 --> 01:34:54,239 city, they change it to a city zone. 2248 01:34:54,239 --> 01:34:57,199 That's the equivalent. We're trying to 2249 01:34:57,199 --> 01:35:00,480 um uh both both agencies have similar 2250 01:35:00,480 --> 01:35:02,719 standards, 7,000 and 10,000 is the 2251 01:35:02,719 --> 01:35:05,840 minimum lot sizes in both agencies uh 2252 01:35:05,840 --> 01:35:08,960 right now. So, um, they are kind of 2253 01:35:08,960 --> 01:35:12,080 agreed upon already inside the UGB and 2254 01:35:12,080 --> 01:35:15,520 they're established holistically 2255 01:35:15,520 --> 01:35:17,679 unless you go through a zone change to 2256 01:35:17,679 --> 01:35:20,960 change them to something else. 2257 01:35:20,960 --> 01:35:22,560 I mean, and that's what this is, right? 2258 01:35:22,560 --> 01:35:25,920 Zone change to encourage greater 2259 01:35:25,920 --> 01:35:27,840 densification. 2260 01:35:27,840 --> 01:35:30,239 don't know if the extreme eastern edge 2261 01:35:30,239 --> 01:35:31,760 of the urban growth boundary is the 2262 01:35:31,760 --> 01:35:34,560 place to densify rather than infill as 2263 01:35:34,560 --> 01:35:36,639 that that plan also proposes lots of 2264 01:35:36,639 --> 01:35:39,520 infill. 2265 01:35:39,520 --> 01:35:42,320 >> So the uh RS is 10,000 square foot 2266 01:35:42,320 --> 01:35:46,800 minimum RM is seven RM allows duplexes. 2267 01:35:46,800 --> 01:35:52,159 Those are the primary changes. So um the 2268 01:35:52,159 --> 01:35:54,639 current north zoning is minimum lot size 2269 01:35:54,639 --> 01:35:58,000 of 10,000 already. 2270 01:35:58,000 --> 01:35:59,920 This development is all single family 2271 01:35:59,920 --> 01:36:01,520 residences. Is that right? 2272 01:36:01,520 --> 01:36:04,400 >> Uh yes. I don't believe the applicant 2273 01:36:04,400 --> 01:36:06,239 answered that question about the 2274 01:36:06,239 --> 01:36:09,199 daycare, but didn't correct Justin 2275 01:36:09,199 --> 01:36:10,080 either. So, 2276 01:36:10,080 --> 01:36:12,960 >> and when I said um when I said duplexes, 2277 01:36:12,960 --> 01:36:15,120 we're also talking about on zone changes 2278 01:36:15,120 --> 01:36:17,840 of having duplexes that can be half 2279 01:36:17,840 --> 01:36:19,520 owned by one party and half owned by the 2280 01:36:19,520 --> 01:36:21,199 other, which you don't currently have. 2281 01:36:21,199 --> 01:36:23,520 So, I should have mentioned that a 2282 01:36:23,520 --> 01:36:26,000 duplex can be a single family model. 2283 01:36:26,000 --> 01:36:27,199 because they're all on separate lots 2284 01:36:27,199 --> 01:36:29,120 even though they have a common wall. 2285 01:36:29,120 --> 01:36:32,000 That that's um but I think the applicant 2286 01:36:32,000 --> 01:36:33,679 should tell us what they're planning on 2287 01:36:33,679 --> 01:36:37,040 it. Um those are conditions that can be 2288 01:36:37,040 --> 01:36:40,400 imposed at a zone change level. 2289 01:36:40,400 --> 01:36:42,880 If the if the zone change is intended to 2290 01:36:42,880 --> 01:36:45,119 be single family, that's a limited use 2291 01:36:45,119 --> 01:36:48,000 overlay that can be put on 2292 01:36:48,000 --> 01:36:49,840 that would that that further restricts 2293 01:36:49,840 --> 01:36:52,159 it. There's things so that you don't 2294 01:36:52,159 --> 01:36:54,480 change the zone and then the developer 2295 01:36:54,480 --> 01:36:55,679 sells it to somebody else and somebody 2296 01:36:55,679 --> 01:36:57,520 else has a whole different idea than 2297 01:36:57,520 --> 01:36:59,679 what you saw. There's this mechanism 2298 01:36:59,679 --> 01:37:01,440 called a limited use overlay that can be 2299 01:37:01,440 --> 01:37:04,800 adopted when the zone is being changed 2300 01:37:04,800 --> 01:37:10,870 that um cements uh upper limits 2301 01:37:10,880 --> 01:37:14,400 is often times a tool that's used to um 2302 01:37:14,400 --> 01:37:17,520 to have expectations not change over 2303 01:37:17,520 --> 01:37:22,229 time. 2304 01:37:22,239 --> 01:37:24,480 And so concludes 2305 01:37:24,480 --> 01:37:25,199 >> one [clears throat] of the things that 2306 01:37:25,199 --> 01:37:27,360 you guys consider is 2307 01:37:27,360 --> 01:37:28,960 >> Yeah. So thank you so much for your 2308 01:37:28,960 --> 01:37:31,119 testimony. Thank you Robin. Do we have 2309 01:37:31,119 --> 01:37:47,350 any further opposition? 2310 01:37:47,360 --> 01:37:49,280 » Yes. Please state your name and address 2311 01:37:49,280 --> 01:37:50,480 for 2312 01:37:50,480 --> 01:37:54,480 >> Oh, Bill Bole. I live at 7840 Highway 2313 01:37:54,480 --> 01:37:55,600 140. 2314 01:37:55,600 --> 01:37:58,000 >> Mr. Bole, you have five minutes. 2315 01:37:58,000 --> 01:38:02,880 >> Okay. Thank you. Um, for Jim's 2316 01:38:02,880 --> 01:38:05,760 information, my well is 40 ft deep and 2317 01:38:05,760 --> 01:38:09,600 it's still working, but I know that my 2318 01:38:09,600 --> 01:38:12,239 neighbor had a well that I was supposed 2319 01:38:12,239 --> 01:38:15,840 to access, but it went dry and he had to 2320 01:38:15,840 --> 01:38:17,760 dig another well. 2321 01:38:17,760 --> 01:38:21,440 Um I am also concerned about water usage 2322 01:38:21,440 --> 01:38:26,080 and lack of water. Um 2323 01:38:26,080 --> 01:38:31,119 uh I also am concerned about traffic. 2324 01:38:31,119 --> 01:38:35,760 I have tried uh for I've lived at my 2325 01:38:35,760 --> 01:38:39,199 present address for 50 years. 2326 01:38:39,199 --> 01:38:43,199 So, I remember the Hortons owning that 2327 01:38:43,199 --> 01:38:44,719 property 2328 01:38:44,719 --> 01:38:48,960 and I remember u 2329 01:38:48,960 --> 01:38:51,520 being able to cross the road and get my 2330 01:38:51,520 --> 01:38:55,360 mail and not be fearful for my life. 2331 01:38:55,360 --> 01:38:58,159 Now, it's almost impossible because 2332 01:38:58,159 --> 01:39:00,320 there's a curve about less than a 2333 01:39:00,320 --> 01:39:02,880 quarter mile away. People come down that 2334 01:39:02,880 --> 01:39:07,040 road and they have no fear about they 2335 01:39:07,040 --> 01:39:09,679 don't slow down. In fact, they honk at 2336 01:39:09,679 --> 01:39:13,119 me when I try to cross the road. 2337 01:39:13,119 --> 01:39:17,280 Uh I heard nothing concerning 2338 01:39:17,280 --> 01:39:20,239 um sidewalks, 2339 01:39:20,239 --> 01:39:23,679 uh bike lanes, 2340 01:39:23,679 --> 01:39:27,520 uh human crossing. I assume that a lot 2341 01:39:27,520 --> 01:39:30,000 of people that are going to uh southern 2342 01:39:30,000 --> 01:39:34,880 uh KCC will be going to 2343 01:39:34,880 --> 01:39:38,239 school. what is going to happen to them 2344 01:39:38,239 --> 01:39:42,000 as they try to cross either 2345 01:39:42,000 --> 01:39:46,320 uh South 6th Street or 140 or try to get 2346 01:39:46,320 --> 01:39:49,199 over to where they need to be. 2347 01:39:49,199 --> 01:39:50,880 Uh 2348 01:39:50,880 --> 01:39:53,360 the uh 2349 01:39:53,360 --> 01:39:55,280 human traffic is what I was considering. 2350 01:39:55,280 --> 01:39:58,880 I mean, and there's kids, buses. 2351 01:39:58,880 --> 01:40:02,400 Uh, uh, another reason that I've tried 2352 01:40:02,400 --> 01:40:04,880 to change the law or get the law changed 2353 01:40:04,880 --> 01:40:07,520 to slow the speed limit down is because 2354 01:40:07,520 --> 01:40:10,400 my grandkids now 2355 01:40:10,400 --> 01:40:13,440 uh, were to catch the bus, but it's 2356 01:40:13,440 --> 01:40:15,360 almost fearful to be out there because 2357 01:40:15,360 --> 01:40:21,119 the people drive so fast. U, they just don't slow down. 2358 01:40:21,119 --> 01:40:23,360 Um 2359 01:40:23,360 --> 01:40:25,600 I also am concerned about what they call 2360 01:40:25,600 --> 01:40:28,000 medium density. 2361 01:40:28,000 --> 01:40:30,639 Uh that's almost high density. Do you 2362 01:40:30,639 --> 01:40:36,880 putund and that's uh 118 or 10 whatever 2363 01:40:36,880 --> 01:40:40,960 uh lots for for houses or buildings or 2364 01:40:40,960 --> 01:40:43,840 whatever structures. I think it ought to 2365 01:40:43,840 --> 01:40:47,119 be, you know, I agree that it, you know, 2366 01:40:47,119 --> 01:40:49,199 it it's growing and we need to have more 2367 01:40:49,199 --> 01:40:51,119 houses, but we don't need to have it at 2368 01:40:51,119 --> 01:40:54,629 that density. 2369 01:40:54,639 --> 01:41:02,390 Um, what else do I have here? 2370 01:41:02,400 --> 01:41:04,880 I don't know if anybody really addressed 2371 01:41:04,880 --> 01:41:06,800 the malfunction junction which is 2372 01:41:06,800 --> 01:41:11,840 highway 39 and 140 and it's just uh a 2373 01:41:11,840 --> 01:41:15,440 hazard and there's accidents because 2374 01:41:15,440 --> 01:41:18,159 people coming from Merrill try to go 2375 01:41:18,159 --> 01:41:19,920 into the right lane as soon as they get 2376 01:41:19,920 --> 01:41:23,920 into town. And if you're going coming 2377 01:41:23,920 --> 01:41:26,480 into town, no problem. But if you're 2378 01:41:26,480 --> 01:41:29,360 going out of town, uh when they put 2379 01:41:29,360 --> 01:41:32,480 those power poles in, they put the 2380 01:41:32,480 --> 01:41:37,199 traffic down to one lane going by KCC 2381 01:41:37,199 --> 01:41:40,719 and uh 2382 01:41:40,719 --> 01:41:42,639 we were backed up all the way to Home 2383 01:41:42,639 --> 01:41:46,880 Depot waiting for us our right to get 2384 01:41:46,880 --> 01:41:50,320 which was about a quarter mile on 140. 2385 01:41:50,320 --> 01:41:53,600 And uh I can't imagine what you put x 2386 01:41:53,600 --> 01:41:57,280 amount of houses or people living there 2387 01:41:57,280 --> 01:41:59,679 going and coming whether to to work or 2388 01:41:59,679 --> 01:42:01,360 to school or to whatever. 2389 01:42:01,360 --> 01:42:03,760 >> One minute left, Mr. Bole. One minute 2390 01:42:03,760 --> 01:42:04,159 left. 2391 01:42:04,159 --> 01:42:06,239 >> All right. Essentially, that's all I 2392 01:42:06,239 --> 01:42:07,119 have. 2393 01:42:07,119 --> 01:42:09,360 >> Okay. Don't don't take off. Any 2394 01:42:09,360 --> 01:42:10,880 questions for this gentleman from the 2395 01:42:10,880 --> 01:42:13,600 planning commission? 2396 01:42:13,600 --> 01:42:15,520 >> How deep was your neighbor's well? 2397 01:42:15,520 --> 01:42:16,000 >> Excuse me. 2398 01:42:16,000 --> 01:42:17,280 >> Do you remember how deep your neighbor's 2399 01:42:17,280 --> 01:42:20,320 well was that went dry? Uh actually it 2400 01:42:20,320 --> 01:42:24,480 was deeper. It was like 140 ft deep. 2401 01:42:24,480 --> 01:42:25,920 Essentially my when I bought the 2402 01:42:25,920 --> 01:42:29,360 property it was split into three lots 2403 01:42:29,360 --> 01:42:32,080 and uh 2404 01:42:32,080 --> 01:42:35,840 my second lot I bought next to mine. It 2405 01:42:35,840 --> 01:42:39,520 was I had access to that well but when I 2406 01:42:39,520 --> 01:42:42,080 tried to use that well he said it's it's 2407 01:42:42,080 --> 01:42:47,350 gone dry. I have to dig another wells. 2408 01:42:47,360 --> 01:42:49,440 » Okay. Thank I have one one further 2409 01:42:49,440 --> 01:42:50,400 question for you. 2410 01:42:50,400 --> 01:42:51,040 >> Sure. 2411 01:42:51,040 --> 01:42:54,159 >> Um density is your your biggest concern 2412 01:42:54,159 --> 01:42:58,159 along with safety of course. Um 2413 01:42:58,159 --> 01:42:59,920 >> do you have a number in mind for what 2414 01:42:59,920 --> 01:43:01,679 you think the appropriate a more 2415 01:43:01,679 --> 01:43:04,159 appropriate number of residences per 2416 01:43:04,159 --> 01:43:05,440 acre would be? 2417 01:43:05,440 --> 01:43:08,320 >> Well, I would you know half that amount 2418 01:43:08,320 --> 01:43:10,239 maybe, you know, maybe half that amount. 2419 01:43:10,239 --> 01:43:12,000 So they have to twice the size of the 2420 01:43:12,000 --> 01:43:15,760 lots maybe and uh half as many people, 2421 01:43:15,760 --> 01:43:19,360 half as many cars, half as much traffic. 2422 01:43:19,360 --> 01:43:22,400 I would hope as much traffic, you know, 2423 01:43:22,400 --> 01:43:24,719 that's that's my guess. 2424 01:43:24,719 --> 01:43:25,440 >> Thank you. 2425 01:43:25,440 --> 01:43:35,750 >> Y 2426 01:43:35,760 --> 01:43:37,600 » please raise your right hand. You swear 2427 01:43:37,600 --> 01:43:40,400 that the statement of this hearing 2428 01:43:40,400 --> 01:43:41,199 Yes, 2429 01:43:41,199 --> 01:43:42,960 >> please. 2430 01:43:42,960 --> 01:43:46,159 >> Ian Gilbert, 7840, Highway 140. 2431 01:43:46,159 --> 01:43:48,159 >> Mr. Gilbert, you have five minutes. 2432 01:43:48,159 --> 01:43:49,600 >> So, I'm going to reiterate a lot of the 2433 01:43:49,600 --> 01:43:52,000 other concerns that people have. Um, we 2434 01:43:52,000 --> 01:43:53,679 have the same well that Bill was just 2435 01:43:53,679 --> 01:43:56,480 talking about. It's only 35 ft deep 2436 01:43:56,480 --> 01:43:58,639 somewhere in there. Uh, I'm going to 2437 01:43:58,639 --> 01:44:00,880 talk more about construction issues. One 2438 01:44:00,880 --> 01:44:02,320 of them is we're downhill from the 2439 01:44:02,320 --> 01:44:03,920 construction sites. So, we're I'm 2440 01:44:03,920 --> 01:44:06,480 concerned about construction runoff into 2441 01:44:06,480 --> 01:44:08,560 shallow wells, which would cause well 2442 01:44:08,560 --> 01:44:10,880 water to be contaminated, forcing deeper 2443 01:44:10,880 --> 01:44:13,199 wells, which are tens of thousands of 2444 01:44:13,199 --> 01:44:15,840 dollars cost 2445 01:44:15,840 --> 01:44:17,440 wells. 2446 01:44:17,440 --> 01:44:20,000 Um, I'm in construction for 14 years. 2447 01:44:20,000 --> 01:44:22,080 I'm an electrical contractor. The 2448 01:44:22,080 --> 01:44:24,400 upfront costs 2449 01:44:24,400 --> 01:44:27,760 for this project concern me relative to 2450 01:44:27,760 --> 01:44:29,679 the cash flow that the developer would 2451 01:44:29,679 --> 01:44:32,719 receive to repay that cost. the 2452 01:44:32,719 --> 01:44:34,400 development north of the property we're 2453 01:44:34,400 --> 01:44:37,520 talking about is still not filled. I'm 2454 01:44:37,520 --> 01:44:39,040 fearful that they're going to start 2455 01:44:39,040 --> 01:44:40,239 developing the property and it's going 2456 01:44:40,239 --> 01:44:41,679 to turn on to one of the other 2457 01:44:41,679 --> 01:44:42,960 developments we have in town like the 2458 01:44:42,960 --> 01:44:46,080 one on Foothills Road that started to be 2459 01:44:46,080 --> 01:44:49,199 developed with um access to that road 2460 01:44:49,199 --> 01:44:51,840 and it just ended. So, it left it could 2461 01:44:51,840 --> 01:44:53,360 potentially leave an awkward space in 2462 01:44:53,360 --> 01:44:56,239 our neighborhood with half-developed 2463 01:44:56,239 --> 01:44:58,719 properties or roads that are just not 2464 01:44:58,719 --> 01:45:02,000 being used. Um, I'm also on this I'm on 2465 01:45:02,000 --> 01:45:03,760 the south side of 140, right on the 2466 01:45:03,760 --> 01:45:05,280 corner bound, southeast corner boundary 2467 01:45:05,280 --> 01:45:09,040 of that property. Um, they put in those 2468 01:45:09,040 --> 01:45:10,480 new power poles, so I'm concerned about 2469 01:45:10,480 --> 01:45:13,040 the highway being um, pushed into our 2470 01:45:13,040 --> 01:45:17,040 property to widen it. Um, I'm also I try 2471 01:45:17,040 --> 01:45:19,360 to leave my property during rush hour 2472 01:45:19,360 --> 01:45:21,760 traffic and having a center turn lane of 2473 01:45:21,760 --> 01:45:23,600 potentially people traveling east and 2474 01:45:23,600 --> 01:45:25,280 turning north into that property, 2475 01:45:25,280 --> 01:45:26,880 preventing those southside properties 2476 01:45:26,880 --> 01:45:30,159 from turning west across those lanes. 2477 01:45:30,159 --> 01:45:33,040 There's uh that blind corner to the east 2478 01:45:33,040 --> 01:45:34,719 of us that caused a lot of traffic 2479 01:45:34,719 --> 01:45:37,199 issues with crashes. Someone crashed 2480 01:45:37,199 --> 01:45:39,840 through our fence last year. Um a lot of 2481 01:45:39,840 --> 01:45:41,840 deer get hit there constantly. We've 2482 01:45:41,840 --> 01:45:44,960 written emails to ODOT five or six times 2483 01:45:44,960 --> 01:45:46,400 to try to get them to slow down. Their 2484 01:45:46,400 --> 01:45:49,679 solution was to lower from 55 to 50. 2485 01:45:49,679 --> 01:45:51,199 There's a lot of residential streets 2486 01:45:51,199 --> 01:45:53,760 there that or driveways that would be 2487 01:45:53,760 --> 01:45:56,719 affected by this traffic change. 2488 01:45:56,719 --> 01:46:01,280 Um, station two, fire district one 2489 01:46:01,280 --> 01:46:02,400 is [clears throat] the closest fire 2490 01:46:02,400 --> 01:46:04,400 station to our location for that 2491 01:46:04,400 --> 01:46:07,119 property. It's the oldest and the least 2492 01:46:07,119 --> 01:46:11,360 prepared fire station for heavy use. Um, 2493 01:46:11,360 --> 01:46:13,360 any upgrades to the fire district to 2494 01:46:13,360 --> 01:46:16,080 cover this house development would 2495 01:46:16,080 --> 01:46:18,320 likely come from taxpayer expenses and 2496 01:46:18,320 --> 01:46:19,920 levies. 2497 01:46:19,920 --> 01:46:23,199 And um 2498 01:46:23,199 --> 01:46:27,840 so my concerns basically are the water rental from construction the 2499 01:46:27,840 --> 01:46:30,000 lack of knowledge of the the land that 2500 01:46:30,000 --> 01:46:32,159 they're going to construct the upfront 2501 01:46:32,159 --> 01:46:33,520 cost of construction that won't be 2502 01:46:33,520 --> 01:46:35,520 repaid by people that will be living 2503 01:46:35,520 --> 01:46:38,400 there. Also, is there a study for the 2504 01:46:38,400 --> 01:46:41,760 traffic increase if theoretically every 2505 01:46:41,760 --> 01:46:45,760 lot is a duplex, thus doubling every 2506 01:46:45,760 --> 01:46:49,199 traffic example that we're looking at? 2507 01:46:49,199 --> 01:46:50,880 Because there are other duplexes being 2508 01:46:50,880 --> 01:46:52,719 built in town, especially near schools 2509 01:46:52,719 --> 01:46:55,360 like KCC for high investment 2510 01:46:55,360 --> 01:46:58,159 opportunities for land owners. They're 2511 01:46:58,159 --> 01:47:00,000 gonna, if you're a land owner trying to 2512 01:47:00,000 --> 01:47:01,679 get the most bang out of your money, 2513 01:47:01,679 --> 01:47:02,960 you're going to build as many duplexes 2514 01:47:02,960 --> 01:47:05,280 as you can, thus doubling any kind of 2515 01:47:05,280 --> 01:47:08,400 traffic um scenario that we're looking 2516 01:47:08,400 --> 01:47:10,239 at. 2517 01:47:10,239 --> 01:47:12,320 It seems like a really bad location for 2518 01:47:12,320 --> 01:47:14,080 any kind of building. I know that the 2519 01:47:14,080 --> 01:47:15,600 argument is like, well, we could build 2520 01:47:15,600 --> 01:47:18,320 houses here or we could build a Costco, 2521 01:47:18,320 --> 01:47:20,080 but I don't think any big commercial 2522 01:47:20,080 --> 01:47:22,159 company is going to take the risk of 2523 01:47:22,159 --> 01:47:24,080 putting a big building there with such 2524 01:47:24,080 --> 01:47:27,840 poor road access to the property. 2525 01:47:27,840 --> 01:47:29,760 That's my concerns. 2526 01:47:29,760 --> 01:47:31,760 >> Hang on. Questions for this gentleman 2527 01:47:31,760 --> 01:47:34,239 from the Atlantic Commission? Hearing 2528 01:47:34,239 --> 01:47:36,239 none. Thank you for your your 2529 01:47:36,239 --> 01:47:37,600 >> I have one. 2530 01:47:37,600 --> 01:47:38,080 >> All right. 2531 01:47:38,080 --> 01:47:39,760 >> Okay. 2532 01:47:39,760 --> 01:47:42,080 >> Randy. Yes. So, 2533 01:47:42,080 --> 01:47:43,360 >> go ahead, Jim. 2534 01:47:43,360 --> 01:47:48,159 >> Thanks. Um my question is um 2535 01:47:48,159 --> 01:47:52,400 would you be satisfied if for example 2536 01:47:52,400 --> 01:47:56,320 this was not done and traffic and the 2537 01:47:56,320 --> 01:47:58,560 same traffic problems remain for the 2538 01:47:58,560 --> 01:48:01,840 next seven or eight years because 2539 01:48:01,840 --> 01:48:05,280 there's no change in the infrastructure. 2540 01:48:05,280 --> 01:48:07,600 there's no change in the environment and 2541 01:48:07,600 --> 01:48:10,400 things continued to happen because you 2542 01:48:10,400 --> 01:48:11,840 know we weren't able to make 2543 01:48:11,840 --> 01:48:14,960 improvements in the highway or change 2544 01:48:14,960 --> 01:48:19,760 the um traffic um management process or 2545 01:48:19,760 --> 01:48:23,119 reduce the speed limit because there you 2546 01:48:23,119 --> 01:48:24,960 know there was no justification 2547 01:48:24,960 --> 01:48:29,679 otherwise for it is the status quo okay 2548 01:48:29,679 --> 01:48:32,000 if we don't do any additional 2549 01:48:32,000 --> 01:48:34,800 development 2550 01:48:34,800 --> 01:48:36,800 I would rather see the traffic situation 2551 01:48:36,800 --> 01:48:38,960 for my house stay the same than the 2552 01:48:38,960 --> 01:48:40,960 proposed solutions to manage the traffic 2553 01:48:40,960 --> 01:48:42,239 increase that would happen from the 2554 01:48:42,239 --> 01:48:44,480 property that's developed. The widening 2555 01:48:44,480 --> 01:48:46,639 of the road, Highway 140, to make a turn 2556 01:48:46,639 --> 01:48:48,480 lane is not a good solution for the 2557 01:48:48,480 --> 01:48:49,840 access to the south side of this 2558 01:48:49,840 --> 01:48:52,000 property. I would rather keep the road 2559 01:48:52,000 --> 01:48:53,920 it is now than try to add more traffic 2560 01:48:53,920 --> 01:48:55,119 or another lane that would could 2561 01:48:55,119 --> 01:48:56,639 probably impose onto my side of the 2562 01:48:56,639 --> 01:48:59,750 property. 2563 01:48:59,760 --> 01:49:01,199 Thanks your question. Thank you. 2564 01:49:01,199 --> 01:49:04,560 >> That's what I wanted to know. 2565 01:49:04,560 --> 01:49:06,800 Thank you very much for your testimony. 2566 01:49:06,800 --> 01:49:11,669 [clears throat] 2567 01:49:11,679 --> 01:49:27,830 » Who is it? 2568 01:49:27,840 --> 01:49:28,719 » I do. 2569 01:49:28,719 --> 01:49:30,880 >> State your name and address. Uh, my name 2570 01:49:30,880 --> 01:49:34,560 is Dennis Telly and my address is 7733 2571 01:49:34,560 --> 01:49:35,920 Hillyard Avenue. 2572 01:49:35,920 --> 01:49:38,159 >> Mr. Telly, you have five minutes. 2573 01:49:38,159 --> 01:49:40,205 >> Can I have six? 2574 01:49:40,205 --> 01:49:41,600 [clears throat] I'll make you 2575 01:49:41,600 --> 01:49:43,280 Everybody's pretty much touching about 2576 01:49:43,280 --> 01:49:44,880 the same thing about the traffic and 2577 01:49:44,880 --> 01:49:48,560 stuff. Uh, my dad bought our house in 2578 01:49:48,560 --> 01:49:50,159 1973, 2579 01:49:50,159 --> 01:49:52,800 so it's been all 50 years. And, uh, we 2580 01:49:52,800 --> 01:49:55,199 own the house next door, too. Uh, we got 2581 01:49:55,199 --> 01:49:58,880 our wells about about 140. And uh uh 2582 01:49:58,880 --> 01:50:01,840 last year we we had the rental house 2583 01:50:01,840 --> 01:50:04,320 next door and we had it on our well too. 2584 01:50:04,320 --> 01:50:09,520 So we decided with all the problems with people below us uh uh losing their 2585 01:50:09,520 --> 01:50:12,000 wells, we decided to put that on city 2586 01:50:12,000 --> 01:50:15,199 water. So for 7,600 2587 01:50:15,199 --> 01:50:17,920 800 bucks, we got to put that on city 2588 01:50:17,920 --> 01:50:20,159 water. And that's with me digging the 2589 01:50:20,159 --> 01:50:22,800 ditch, laying the pipe, and whatever 2590 01:50:22,800 --> 01:50:25,199 else. So, you know, that was one of the 2591 01:50:25,199 --> 01:50:26,639 questions somebody looked down the 2592 01:50:26,639 --> 01:50:29,840 street. Uh, you maybe $5,000 a few years 2593 01:50:29,840 --> 01:50:31,840 ago, but I imagine it's probably gone up 2594 01:50:31,840 --> 01:50:35,440 a little bit more now. Uh, so when you 2595 01:50:35,440 --> 01:50:37,679 run out of water and you and you've had 2596 01:50:37,679 --> 01:50:41,119 a well for all these years, uh, is it is 2597 01:50:41,119 --> 01:50:42,880 the city's going to be jumping right in 2598 01:50:42,880 --> 01:50:43,920 and saying, "Hey, don't worry. We're 2599 01:50:43,920 --> 01:50:46,000 going to hook you up." I kind of doubt 2600 01:50:46,000 --> 01:50:49,520 that. Uh, we we talk about Hillyard 2601 01:50:49,520 --> 01:50:54,080 Avenue. uh very narrow, very dark. Uh 2602 01:50:54,080 --> 01:50:56,000 with the development up above us now, 2603 01:50:56,000 --> 01:50:58,719 the cars are ripping down. Uh garbage 2604 01:50:58,719 --> 01:51:02,239 trucks are ripping up and uh 25 miles an 2605 01:51:02,239 --> 01:51:03,840 hour is like, and I got to be honest 2606 01:51:03,840 --> 01:51:05,520 with you, too, because I got to look at 2607 01:51:05,520 --> 01:51:07,360 my speedometer sometimes. So, I'm 2608 01:51:07,360 --> 01:51:09,199 thinking, "Oh, shoot." You know, I'm the 2609 01:51:09,199 --> 01:51:11,920 guy I'm not calling in on anybody, but 2610 01:51:11,920 --> 01:51:13,600 I'm the guy that's been driving up to 2611 01:51:13,600 --> 01:51:15,119 these houses and knocking on the door 2612 01:51:15,119 --> 01:51:17,440 and saying, "Please slow down. We got 2613 01:51:17,440 --> 01:51:19,280 kids across the street, a lot of 2614 01:51:19,280 --> 01:51:23,199 animals. Uh, and animals seem to like 2615 01:51:23,199 --> 01:51:24,800 going across the street. I'm not feeding 2616 01:51:24,800 --> 01:51:26,480 them cookies or anything, but they're 2617 01:51:26,480 --> 01:51:31,440 coming over. Uh, I got hit by a car a couple years 2618 01:51:31,440 --> 01:51:35,199 ago and I flipped over the car. And of 2619 01:51:35,199 --> 01:51:37,840 course, my size, I'm pretty nimble, but 2620 01:51:37,840 --> 01:51:40,080 uh, I've got it on a CD. If you'd like 2621 01:51:40,080 --> 01:51:41,679 to see it for the next meeting, I can 2622 01:51:41,679 --> 01:51:43,920 bring it to you. And my intention walked 2623 01:51:43,920 --> 01:51:46,400 out just to tell the guy, "Please slow 2624 01:51:46,400 --> 01:51:47,760 down." And he thought it was funny to 2625 01:51:47,760 --> 01:51:50,800 kind of swerve at me. And anyway, I hit 2626 01:51:50,800 --> 01:51:55,440 rolled over his hood and landed uh flat 2627 01:51:55,440 --> 01:51:58,239 broke glasses, but but anyway, just 2628 01:51:58,239 --> 01:52:00,080 trying to tell people to slow down. It 2629 01:52:00,080 --> 01:52:03,040 It's a tough thing to do. And and when 2630 01:52:03,040 --> 01:52:04,880 you're talking about building this many 2631 01:52:04,880 --> 01:52:07,520 houses up there and and I I saw the 2632 01:52:07,520 --> 01:52:08,560 thing where you're going to say, "Okay, 2633 01:52:08,560 --> 01:52:10,239 you're going to block off the road so 2634 01:52:10,239 --> 01:52:12,480 these people can't go down Hillyard." 2635 01:52:12,480 --> 01:52:15,040 Well, I I'll call Horseshin on that one 2636 01:52:15,040 --> 01:52:18,159 because that'll happen because these 2637 01:52:18,159 --> 01:52:19,440 people are going to find a way to get 2638 01:52:19,440 --> 01:52:21,599 through there whether you open that gate 2639 01:52:21,599 --> 01:52:23,760 or whatever you got planned for that. 2640 01:52:23,760 --> 01:52:25,599 Okay? And when you start thinking about 2641 01:52:25,599 --> 01:52:28,000 that many houses, where do people want 2642 01:52:28,000 --> 01:52:30,159 to go? They don't want to go to 140 and 2643 01:52:30,159 --> 01:52:32,080 head towards 2644 01:52:32,080 --> 01:52:34,480 They want to go down Hillyard and get to 2645 01:52:34,480 --> 01:52:37,520 town or cross over and try to get to the 2646 01:52:37,520 --> 01:52:39,280 college without going through that big 2647 01:52:39,280 --> 01:52:41,119 ass intersection. 2648 01:52:41,119 --> 01:52:42,880 So that's what what's going to happen. 2649 01:52:42,880 --> 01:52:45,040 And when you're talking about [snorts] 2650 01:52:45,040 --> 01:52:47,040 each house has got an average of 2651 01:52:47,040 --> 01:52:50,320 probably two cars, maybe three. Okay, 2652 01:52:50,320 --> 01:52:52,719 you got the kids running back and forth 2653 01:52:52,719 --> 01:52:55,840 to school. So it's not just going in the 2654 01:52:55,840 --> 01:52:57,360 morning, I'm going to work and then I'm 2655 01:52:57,360 --> 01:53:00,000 coming home. You're running to work. 2656 01:53:00,000 --> 01:53:01,760 You're running home for lunch, you're 2657 01:53:01,760 --> 01:53:03,199 running you're running back because 2658 01:53:03,199 --> 01:53:05,280 you're late and and you know say it's 2659 01:53:05,280 --> 01:53:06,639 four or five then you're going to the 2660 01:53:06,639 --> 01:53:08,639 stores. So that traffic up and down 2661 01:53:08,639 --> 01:53:12,320 Hillyard is going to be tenfold. 2662 01:53:12,320 --> 01:53:15,520 It's going to be phenomenal. And uh uh 2663 01:53:15,520 --> 01:53:17,760 it it's a small road. And when you're 2664 01:53:17,760 --> 01:53:20,080 talking about horses, you know, that 2665 01:53:20,080 --> 01:53:22,080 field's been up there since I was a kid. 2666 01:53:22,080 --> 01:53:23,840 And when I went to Henley, we had, you 2667 01:53:23,840 --> 01:53:25,199 know, we of course we were up there, 2668 01:53:25,199 --> 01:53:27,440 too, with the bonfires and all the stuff 2669 01:53:27,440 --> 01:53:29,679 too and all the kids. And horses are are 2670 01:53:29,679 --> 01:53:31,840 going up the road and and and going 2671 01:53:31,840 --> 01:53:33,360 around the field and stuff like that, 2672 01:53:33,360 --> 01:53:35,040 too. So, I mean, basically, you're 2673 01:53:35,040 --> 01:53:37,119 saying, "Hey, no more horses up here." 2674 01:53:37,119 --> 01:53:38,639 You're saying, "No, don't come up here 2675 01:53:38,639 --> 01:53:41,280 and drive around." Yeah, I know. I don't 2676 01:53:41,280 --> 01:53:42,000 own it. 2677 01:53:42,000 --> 01:53:43,520 >> You've got about one minute left. 2678 01:53:43,520 --> 01:53:44,560 >> Well, I walk two. 2679 01:53:44,560 --> 01:53:46,960 >> Talk real fast. 2680 01:53:46,960 --> 01:53:49,199 >> But anyway, yeah, I know I don't own it 2681 01:53:49,199 --> 01:53:51,679 and I can't stop progress. I was the 2682 01:53:51,679 --> 01:53:54,800 owner of Windco and I've been in a lot 2683 01:53:54,800 --> 01:53:56,719 of this stuff where people are mad at 2684 01:53:56,719 --> 01:54:01,199 you, but uh even came back to town. But 2685 01:54:01,199 --> 01:54:03,840 still, uh the traffic is something 2686 01:54:03,840 --> 01:54:05,360 that's got to be really addressed. the 2687 01:54:05,360 --> 01:54:06,960 water situation, the people down below 2688 01:54:06,960 --> 01:54:10,880 us losing their wells. Are are we we are 2689 01:54:10,880 --> 01:54:12,719 liable for hooking up the city water 2690 01:54:12,719 --> 01:54:14,239 again 2691 01:54:14,239 --> 01:54:17,440 and and that one big water station up 2692 01:54:17,440 --> 01:54:18,960 there is supposed to take care of all 2693 01:54:18,960 --> 01:54:20,800 that? 2694 01:54:20,800 --> 01:54:23,360 I find that hard to believe. And like 2695 01:54:23,360 --> 01:54:25,520 the gentleman before me, you're going to 2696 01:54:25,520 --> 01:54:27,760 start digging and all these all the 2697 01:54:27,760 --> 01:54:30,000 tractors and all the equipment driving 2698 01:54:30,000 --> 01:54:31,360 up and down hillier to get up here to 2699 01:54:31,360 --> 01:54:35,270 build all this stuff. 2700 01:54:35,280 --> 01:54:37,040 You know, I can't stop progress, but 2701 01:54:37,040 --> 01:54:39,119 maybe it's just a little bit too much. 2702 01:54:39,119 --> 01:54:40,320 >> That was perfect timing. 2703 01:54:40,320 --> 01:54:41,679 >> Don't leave yet. We might have a 2704 01:54:41,679 --> 01:54:42,400 question for you. 2705 01:54:42,400 --> 01:54:43,520 >> I hope you [clears throat] do. 2706 01:54:43,520 --> 01:54:45,679 >> Okay. Anybody here on the planning 2707 01:54:45,679 --> 01:54:47,119 commission like to have a question for 2708 01:54:47,119 --> 01:54:48,320 this gentleman? 2709 01:54:48,320 --> 01:54:49,920 >> I would like to have a question just to 2710 01:54:49,920 --> 01:54:51,520 hear him keep talking, but I don't have 2711 01:54:51,520 --> 01:54:52,480 anything to ask. 2712 01:54:52,480 --> 01:54:54,400 >> Please character. Okay. Thank you so 2713 01:54:54,400 --> 01:54:57,119 much for your testimony. 2714 01:54:57,119 --> 01:55:02,149 >> Robin, how are we doing? 2715 01:55:02,159 --> 01:55:04,320 That's the end of the opposition. Okay. 2716 01:55:04,320 --> 01:55:09,270 Now, let's hear from the proponents. 2717 01:55:09,280 --> 01:55:09,760 » Yeah. 2718 01:55:09,760 --> 01:55:19,589 >> Okay. Uh the only one is Dort. 2719 01:55:19,599 --> 01:55:21,440 » Dan Borton. I don't know who wanted to 2720 01:55:21,440 --> 01:55:21,920 speak. 2721 01:55:21,920 --> 01:55:25,830 >> Okay. 2722 01:55:25,840 --> 01:55:31,830 » Please raise your hand. 2723 01:55:31,840 --> 01:55:32,880 I just 2724 01:55:32,880 --> 01:55:35,920 >> uh Dan Horton, 169 West Main, Eagle 2725 01:55:35,920 --> 01:55:37,119 Point. 2726 01:55:37,119 --> 01:55:38,800 >> Mr. Horton, you have five minutes. 2727 01:55:38,800 --> 01:55:42,080 >> Thank you. Uh I don't really know what 2728 01:55:42,080 --> 01:55:45,040 to add uh to all this. Uh basically, 2729 01:55:45,040 --> 01:55:49,119 irrigation water. Uh we're 2730 01:55:49,119 --> 01:55:51,840 leaning towards not using uh EID for 2731 01:55:51,840 --> 01:55:55,599 that mainly because uh it they cut it 2732 01:55:55,599 --> 01:55:58,320 off pretty early. Uh 2733 01:55:58,320 --> 01:56:00,400 I think they stopped at 1 of August this 2734 01:56:00,400 --> 01:56:02,560 year and that pretty much leaves 2735 01:56:02,560 --> 01:56:04,960 everybody dry. Uh it be a difficult 2736 01:56:04,960 --> 01:56:06,159 system because it have to be 2737 01:56:06,159 --> 01:56:07,679 pressurized. 2738 01:56:07,679 --> 01:56:10,320 Uh the upward part of this development 2739 01:56:10,320 --> 01:56:13,119 does not have water rights. 2740 01:56:13,119 --> 01:56:17,440 Um so we we would uh probably just put 2741 01:56:17,440 --> 01:56:20,800 the the pipe in a ditch and uh let it 2742 01:56:20,800 --> 01:56:23,199 run through and then irrigate with city 2743 01:56:23,199 --> 01:56:24,639 water. 2744 01:56:24,639 --> 01:56:26,159 uh what we would do would be to 2745 01:56:26,159 --> 01:56:33,119 encourage and it may even be a code uh water conservative landscaping. So in 2746 01:56:33,119 --> 01:56:35,520 other words, no big laws, no not a lot 2747 01:56:35,520 --> 01:56:38,080 of sprinklers. Um try to do a lot of 2748 01:56:38,080 --> 01:56:40,800 drip irrigation and shrubs. 2749 01:56:40,800 --> 01:56:43,760 The other problem with uh irrigation 2750 01:56:43,760 --> 01:56:46,639 district water is it's dirty and uh you 2751 01:56:46,639 --> 01:56:50,719 can't run that through drip irrigation. 2752 01:56:50,719 --> 01:56:55,669 So, um, 2753 01:56:55,679 --> 01:56:57,280 I didn't expect to come up here, so I 2754 01:56:57,280 --> 01:56:58,880 don't have a list of things to talk 2755 01:56:58,880 --> 01:57:01,119 about. Any questions? 2756 01:57:01,119 --> 01:57:03,760 We have any questions for the this 2757 01:57:03,760 --> 01:57:05,520 gentleman? 2758 01:57:05,520 --> 01:57:07,920 >> I I do have a question. Just to clarify, 2759 01:57:07,920 --> 01:57:10,400 if you're leaning away from using the 2760 01:57:10,400 --> 01:57:14,080 Enterprise Irrigation District water, 2761 01:57:14,080 --> 01:57:16,159 would there be any impact to the 2762 01:57:16,159 --> 01:57:19,920 neighboring wells with city water? 2763 01:57:19,920 --> 01:57:22,719 Well, you know, that's a question for 2764 01:57:22,719 --> 01:57:24,560 the water department and there's a 2765 01:57:24,560 --> 01:57:28,560 report uh um this part of the packet 2766 01:57:28,560 --> 01:57:34,480 here where uh the med the uh clim water 2767 01:57:34,480 --> 01:57:37,440 department did a study and you've got 2768 01:57:37,440 --> 01:57:39,760 that in your packet and they did not 2769 01:57:39,760 --> 01:57:42,800 seem to think of a problem with 2770 01:57:42,800 --> 01:57:46,239 using city water on this project as it's 2771 01:57:46,239 --> 01:57:54,000 designed in total without using irrigation district water. 2772 01:57:54,000 --> 01:57:56,639 So, you know, the impact on wells, you 2773 01:57:56,639 --> 01:57:58,000 know, that's hard to tell. The one 2774 01:57:58,000 --> 01:57:59,760 gentleman mentioned that he had a well 2775 01:57:59,760 --> 01:58:02,320 40 foot deep and still works. So, you 2776 01:58:02,320 --> 01:58:05,599 know, another 140 foot next door doesn't 2777 01:58:05,599 --> 01:58:08,159 work. Who knows why did it cave in? You 2778 01:58:08,159 --> 01:58:10,880 know, who knows? 2779 01:58:10,880 --> 01:58:11,840 >> Thank you. 2780 01:58:11,840 --> 01:58:14,960 >> And to be clear, there's there's no plan 2781 01:58:14,960 --> 01:58:17,440 to drill a well for this development. 2782 01:58:17,440 --> 01:58:19,840 >> No. What? No plan to drill a well for 2783 01:58:19,840 --> 01:58:20,400 this to 2784 01:58:20,400 --> 01:58:23,280 >> No, no, it's all based on the existing 2785 01:58:23,280 --> 01:58:25,199 uh city infrastructure and that's part 2786 01:58:25,199 --> 01:58:28,719 of your your uh report. 2787 01:58:28,719 --> 01:58:31,440 Uh Ry did a good job and then hired an 2788 01:58:31,440 --> 01:58:35,199 engineer to model it. So that's all 2789 01:58:35,199 --> 01:58:39,430 documented. 2790 01:58:39,440 --> 01:58:40,639 Any further questions? 2791 01:58:40,639 --> 01:58:40,960 >> Yeah. 2792 01:58:40,960 --> 01:58:42,719 >> Yes, I had one 2793 01:58:42,719 --> 01:58:43,599 >> maybe after Jim. 2794 01:58:43,599 --> 01:58:45,040 >> Okay, go ahead Jim. 2795 01:58:45,040 --> 01:58:48,800 >> Thanks. And in your um you did traffic 2796 01:58:48,800 --> 01:58:52,080 analysis, was there any indication 2797 01:58:52,080 --> 01:58:55,760 regarding the relative safety of the 2798 01:58:55,760 --> 01:58:59,520 approach to the intersection there at uh 2799 01:58:59,520 --> 01:59:03,750 140 near the college? 2800 01:59:03,760 --> 01:59:06,560 Well, I think it was pointed out in that 2801 01:59:06,560 --> 01:59:09,199 report that we actually exceed DOT's 2802 01:59:09,199 --> 01:59:12,080 requirement for sight distance 2803 01:59:12,080 --> 01:59:14,880 and we purposely located that 2804 01:59:14,880 --> 01:59:18,159 intersection uh as far away from the 39 2805 01:59:18,159 --> 01:59:19,840 intersection as possible. So, in other 2806 01:59:19,840 --> 01:59:23,119 words, it's as far east as we can get. 2807 01:59:23,119 --> 01:59:27,440 And I think ODOT's okay with that. Um, 2808 01:59:27,440 --> 01:59:29,440 you know, there was comment from one of 2809 01:59:29,440 --> 01:59:32,239 the ODOT people that said, "Well, those 2810 01:59:32,239 --> 01:59:34,159 accesses that were granted many years 2811 01:59:34,159 --> 01:59:36,719 ago did were not intended to serve the 2812 01:59:36,719 --> 01:59:39,840 property, the north property." And they 2813 01:59:39,840 --> 01:59:44,400 said, "If you want, you can do a a 2814 01:59:44,400 --> 01:59:47,920 an appraisal and prove that by having 2815 01:59:47,920 --> 01:59:49,760 that access, you're not increasing the 2816 01:59:49,760 --> 01:59:51,840 value, or if you do increase value, we 2817 01:59:51,840 --> 01:59:54,560 want the we want the difference. So, in 2818 01:59:54,560 --> 01:59:57,280 my mind, they're wanting ODOT is wanting 2819 01:59:57,280 --> 01:59:59,840 to shut that off because they're afraid 2820 01:59:59,840 --> 02:00:02,400 that they're going to help somebody else 2821 02:00:02,400 --> 02:00:05,360 and miss out on some money. It's not, 2822 02:00:05,360 --> 02:00:06,639 you know, I don't think it has anything 2823 02:00:06,639 --> 02:00:09,760 to do with traffic necessarily. 2824 02:00:09,760 --> 02:00:11,760 Um, matter of fact, if that connection 2825 02:00:11,760 --> 02:00:14,639 was made, a lot of the folks that live 2826 02:00:14,639 --> 02:00:16,800 in the south part would actually 2827 02:00:16,800 --> 02:00:19,040 probably go up and come down Hillyard 2828 02:00:19,040 --> 02:00:21,119 and not go out on. So, you know, it 2829 02:00:21,119 --> 02:00:24,159 gives everybody a lot of options. 2830 02:00:24,159 --> 02:00:27,199 So, um, you know, that's something we 2831 02:00:27,199 --> 02:00:28,880 need to work out with ODOT. 2832 02:00:28,880 --> 02:00:30,960 >> Okay. [clears throat] And then my 2833 02:00:30,960 --> 02:00:34,960 followup was, um, did you consider or 2834 02:00:34,960 --> 02:00:36,880 did you look at the possibility of 2835 02:00:36,880 --> 02:00:38,639 adding bike lanes 2836 02:00:38,639 --> 02:00:40,800 >> because bike lanes actually do add a 2837 02:00:40,800 --> 02:00:43,599 level of safety for cyclist? I don't 2838 02:00:43,599 --> 02:00:44,480 >> 140, 2839 02:00:44,480 --> 02:00:45,840 >> right? 2840 02:00:45,840 --> 02:00:48,480 >> Well, you know, that whole road needs to 2841 02:00:48,480 --> 02:00:49,920 be engineered. So, I don't know the 2842 02:00:49,920 --> 02:00:51,840 answer to that. you know, that's once we 2843 02:00:51,840 --> 02:00:53,520 get into 2844 02:00:53,520 --> 02:00:56,719 engineering for construction of on-site 2845 02:00:56,719 --> 02:00:59,760 roads and, you know, whatever ODO's 2846 02:00:59,760 --> 02:01:02,159 requirements are, we'll meet them. And 2847 02:01:02,159 --> 02:01:05,199 um so, you know, I would think that, 2848 02:01:05,199 --> 02:01:07,199 well, for for one, we'd have to have 2849 02:01:07,199 --> 02:01:11,119 sidewalks, I'm sure. Uh bike lanes, you 2850 02:01:11,119 --> 02:01:13,119 know, do you want a bike lane on a 50 2851 02:01:13,119 --> 02:01:16,080 mph road? Um you know, something we need 2852 02:01:16,080 --> 02:01:18,239 to work out with DOT. I'm not sure on 2853 02:01:18,239 --> 02:01:20,480 that. Well, and Jib, we're we're going 2854 02:01:20,480 --> 02:01:23,040 to have the applicant come back up and 2855 02:01:23,040 --> 02:01:25,040 rebut the testimony that we've had from 2856 02:01:25,040 --> 02:01:27,360 the opponents. So, that's the time to 2857 02:01:27,360 --> 02:01:28,880 ask the types of questions you're 2858 02:01:28,880 --> 02:01:31,199 talking about there. 2859 02:01:31,199 --> 02:01:33,440 So, yeah. And, you know, and I think a 2860 02:01:33,440 --> 02:01:35,440 lot of these questions will come up too 2861 02:01:35,440 --> 02:01:37,360 and be addressed during the next hearing 2862 02:01:37,360 --> 02:01:39,199 when we're talking about the subdivision 2863 02:01:39,199 --> 02:01:43,199 and not necessarily the zone change. 2864 02:01:43,199 --> 02:01:43,760 >> Okay. 2865 02:01:43,760 --> 02:01:44,239 >> Yeah. 2866 02:01:44,239 --> 02:01:46,239 >> Um, maybe to finish it off, Joe. Um 2867 02:01:46,239 --> 02:01:48,320 could you maybe cover a thought process 2868 02:01:48,320 --> 02:01:51,199 or a target a goal in mind for the 2869 02:01:51,199 --> 02:01:54,800 density uh sizes of lots and how much 2870 02:01:54,800 --> 02:01:55,599 development? 2871 02:01:55,599 --> 02:01:57,119 >> You know I'm from over in the Rogue 2872 02:01:57,119 --> 02:01:59,920 Valley and uh the lots that we have 2873 02:01:59,920 --> 02:02:02,159 designed are kind of mediumsiz for that 2874 02:02:02,159 --> 02:02:05,040 area. Um 2875 02:02:05,040 --> 02:02:07,520 you know I've got I'm an architect. have 2876 02:02:07,520 --> 02:02:10,159 many house designs that will easily 2877 02:02:10,159 --> 02:02:12,960 nicely fit on those lots and have you 2878 02:02:12,960 --> 02:02:15,599 know RV parking beside them and you have 2879 02:02:15,599 --> 02:02:19,119 a nice backyard and you know land's 2880 02:02:19,119 --> 02:02:22,800 valuable so why waste it and you know if 2881 02:02:22,800 --> 02:02:26,400 we can increase the density and uh I 2882 02:02:26,400 --> 02:02:28,080 think we should matter of fact I think 2883 02:02:28,080 --> 02:02:31,360 it's state law is now requiring cities 2884 02:02:31,360 --> 02:02:37,440 to try to maximize optimize density 2885 02:02:37,440 --> 02:02:39,840 there. I don't want to be out of place, 2886 02:02:39,840 --> 02:02:41,199 but planning commission members, there 2887 02:02:41,199 --> 02:02:42,960 was one question asked about duplexes 2888 02:02:42,960 --> 02:02:45,119 versus single family. Can one of you ask 2889 02:02:45,119 --> 02:02:47,119 that? 2890 02:02:47,119 --> 02:02:48,320 >> Yeah. Have you considered putting 2891 02:02:48,320 --> 02:02:50,560 duplexes? 2892 02:02:50,560 --> 02:02:52,960 >> We've got lots designed uh strictly for 2893 02:02:52,960 --> 02:02:55,280 duplexes. They're they're larger lots. 2894 02:02:55,280 --> 02:02:58,239 Uh duplexes do require more square 2895 02:02:58,239 --> 02:02:59,679 footage and I can't remember. I think 2896 02:02:59,679 --> 02:03:04,400 8,000 square feet. So, they're wider. 2897 02:03:04,400 --> 02:03:06,960 The intention there would be to turn 2898 02:03:06,960 --> 02:03:09,119 them into uh town houses where we 2899 02:03:09,119 --> 02:03:11,199 actually have a property line so you 2900 02:03:11,199 --> 02:03:13,119 have two individual owners. Someone 2901 02:03:13,119 --> 02:03:15,520 could buy one and rent the other side. 2902 02:03:15,520 --> 02:03:18,159 So we have a number of those. Um the 2903 02:03:18,159 --> 02:03:21,760 code the that we're going by does allow 2904 02:03:21,760 --> 02:03:25,280 duplexes on any lot and I matter of fact 2905 02:03:25,280 --> 02:03:30,960 I think the state law requires that too. 2906 02:03:30,960 --> 02:03:33,199 >> Yes. I just wondered if the um if 2907 02:03:33,199 --> 02:03:34,080 basically [clears throat] 2908 02:03:34,080 --> 02:03:36,480 um if it's if the intent is single 2909 02:03:36,480 --> 02:03:39,119 family ownership 2910 02:03:39,119 --> 02:03:40,800 um 2911 02:03:40,800 --> 02:03:44,000 only one dwelling unit per lot on 2912 02:03:44,000 --> 02:03:46,880 duplexes other words split zone but 2913 02:03:46,880 --> 02:03:49,440 maybe we should wait to follow up sorry 2914 02:03:49,440 --> 02:03:50,159 I'm not 2915 02:03:50,159 --> 02:03:51,599 >> so that you know that's those are 2916 02:03:51,599 --> 02:03:53,040 questions I think we should start 2917 02:03:53,040 --> 02:03:55,599 getting into the details of subdivision 2918 02:03:55,599 --> 02:03:57,760 >> yeah this is all in a conceptual stage 2919 02:03:57,760 --> 02:04:00,560 >> yeah right so we have a lot of work to 2920 02:04:00,560 --> 02:04:04,719 do a lot engineering and and so 2921 02:04:04,719 --> 02:04:06,239 >> okay, thank you so much for your 2922 02:04:06,239 --> 02:04:07,920 testimony. I'm going to go ahead and 2923 02:04:07,920 --> 02:04:10,639 call an eight at the 8:00 recess and 2924 02:04:10,639 --> 02:04:13,199 then we'll have the uh applicant to 2925 02:04:13,199 --> 02:04:15,199 rebut. 2926 02:04:15,199 --> 02:04:16,239 >> Oh, you can leave that there, sir. 2927 02:04:16,239 --> 02:04:18,960 >> No, you can leave that there. 2928 02:04:18,960 --> 02:04:20,080 >> That's the microphone. 2929 02:04:20,080 --> 02:04:23,040 >> Yeah, [laughter] 2930 02:04:23,040 --> 02:04:26,239 >> okay. So, let's take that 2931 02:04:26,239 --> 02:04:30,550 up. 2932 02:04:30,560 --> 02:04:37,109 We have two more two more supporters. 2933 02:04:37,119 --> 02:04:39,520 » Okay. Yeah. Well, let's bring them up. 2934 02:04:39,520 --> 02:04:40,800 >> Two of them. 2935 02:04:40,800 --> 02:04:42,560 >> You don't have to. 2936 02:04:42,560 --> 02:04:59,109 >> Yeah, I got you. 2937 02:04:59,119 --> 02:05:00,400 Please state your name and address for 2938 02:05:00,400 --> 02:05:01,199 the record. 2939 02:05:01,199 --> 02:05:04,560 >> Tony Johnson, 2871 Glacier. 2940 02:05:04,560 --> 02:05:07,199 >> Miss Johnson, you have five minutes. 2941 02:05:07,199 --> 02:05:09,040 >> Yes. From the Herald and News in 2942 02:05:09,040 --> 02:05:12,960 January. The LA wildfires are a 2943 02:05:12,960 --> 02:05:15,760 cautionary tale for every community 2944 02:05:15,760 --> 02:05:18,560 showing that preparedness and non-negoti 2945 02:05:18,560 --> 02:05:20,639 is non-negotiable. 2946 02:05:20,639 --> 02:05:22,880 One key lesson is the importance of 2947 02:05:22,880 --> 02:05:26,000 maintaining crucial infrastructure, fire 2948 02:05:26,000 --> 02:05:29,199 hydrants, reservoirs, water systems to 2949 02:05:29,199 --> 02:05:32,880 be inspected and repaired regularly. 2950 02:05:32,880 --> 02:05:37,520 I don't have water in my fire hydrant. 2951 02:05:37,520 --> 02:05:39,520 What's all these houses going to do? Is 2952 02:05:39,520 --> 02:05:41,679 it going to get worse? I could get a cup 2953 02:05:41,679 --> 02:05:44,320 or two of water out of my fire hydrant, 2954 02:05:44,320 --> 02:05:46,400 but we don't have fire safety. What 2955 02:05:46,400 --> 02:05:48,159 What's it going to be like when they're 2956 02:05:48,159 --> 02:05:50,880 there? And our water pressure is going 2957 02:05:50,880 --> 02:05:54,480 down. I've noticed several times a week 2958 02:05:54,480 --> 02:05:57,920 we don't have very good water pressure. 2959 02:05:57,920 --> 02:06:01,280 That's basically my concern is how come 2960 02:06:01,280 --> 02:06:02,800 they're going to have water in their 2961 02:06:02,800 --> 02:06:05,119 fire hydrants but I don't have water in 2962 02:06:05,119 --> 02:06:08,480 my fire hydrants. 2963 02:06:08,480 --> 02:06:11,119 >> Does that conclude your testimony? Okay. 2964 02:06:11,119 --> 02:06:12,800 We have any questions for this lady 2965 02:06:12,800 --> 02:06:14,400 >> regarding your water pressure. Are you 2966 02:06:14,400 --> 02:06:16,480 on a well or are you on city water? 2967 02:06:16,480 --> 02:06:21,520 >> I I believe it's a well on Sierra 2968 02:06:21,520 --> 02:06:25,119 feeds our area. Oh, so you're a public 2969 02:06:25,119 --> 02:06:28,159 you're you're on a community well then? 2970 02:06:28,159 --> 02:06:29,119 >> I believe so. 2971 02:06:29,119 --> 02:06:30,560 >> Yeah, because your well comes from 2972 02:06:30,560 --> 02:06:32,960 Sierra Heights or your water comes out 2973 02:06:32,960 --> 02:06:33,679 of Sierra Height, 2974 02:06:33,679 --> 02:06:34,480 >> I believe. So, 2975 02:06:34,480 --> 02:06:35,360 >> yeah. 2976 02:06:35,360 --> 02:06:36,000 >> Okay. 2977 02:06:36,000 --> 02:06:38,320 >> And I I guess I have a question for you 2978 02:06:38,320 --> 02:06:40,159 guys. Would her fire hydrant be 2979 02:06:40,159 --> 02:06:41,679 municipal water or would her fire 2980 02:06:41,679 --> 02:06:44,000 hydrant be on this city? 2981 02:06:44,000 --> 02:06:46,159 >> Did you see your address again? 2982 02:06:46,159 --> 02:06:50,480 >> 2871 Glacier. 2983 02:06:50,480 --> 02:06:53,040 Is that in Skyline, 2984 02:06:53,040 --> 02:06:54,000 >> Hidden Valley? 2985 02:06:54,000 --> 02:06:55,679 >> Or Hidden Valley? 2986 02:06:55,679 --> 02:06:57,920 >> Yeah, Hidden Valley should be city 2987 02:06:57,920 --> 02:07:00,880 water. Uh there's an elevation issue. 2988 02:07:00,880 --> 02:07:02,960 The higher lots and hidden valley would 2989 02:07:02,960 --> 02:07:06,639 have less pressure than the lower plots. 2990 02:07:06,639 --> 02:07:09,119 But um have you reached out to the city 2991 02:07:09,119 --> 02:07:11,920 about the fire hydrant? 2992 02:07:11,920 --> 02:07:14,400 >> No. 2993 02:07:14,400 --> 02:07:16,639 Can I get your phone number on break and 2994 02:07:16,639 --> 02:07:20,079 I'll get you uh in contact with Robbie's 2995 02:07:20,079 --> 02:07:26,629 the water manager there. Okay. 2996 02:07:26,639 --> 02:07:29,679 » Any further? 2997 02:07:29,679 --> 02:07:30,960 >> Okay. Thank you so much for your 2998 02:07:30,960 --> 02:07:43,350 testimony. 2999 02:07:43,360 --> 02:07:44,400 the best. 3000 02:07:44,400 --> 02:07:46,560 >> Thank you. 3001 02:07:46,560 --> 02:07:49,760 >> Uh Jim Herren, 7617 Hillers. 3002 02:07:49,760 --> 02:07:51,679 >> Mr. Herren, you have five minutes. 3003 02:07:51,679 --> 02:07:56,239 >> Thank you. Um I'm echoing all of the 3004 02:07:56,239 --> 02:07:57,760 opposition's 3005 02:07:57,760 --> 02:08:00,800 problems with water, traffic, 3006 02:08:00,800 --> 02:08:04,079 too much density. Um the one question 3007 02:08:04,079 --> 02:08:07,119 that I've got is this is a zoning 3008 02:08:07,119 --> 02:08:10,400 question and it appears that the zoning 3009 02:08:10,400 --> 02:08:14,239 is not correct. It's mo some of the lots 3010 02:08:14,239 --> 02:08:16,960 are zon commercial 3011 02:08:16,960 --> 02:08:19,840 uh at least 8 and a half acres is zoned 3012 02:08:19,840 --> 02:08:22,400 farm 540. 3013 02:08:22,400 --> 02:08:25,280 >> Can we put that map back? 3014 02:08:25,280 --> 02:08:26,719 >> Just a minute. 3015 02:08:26,719 --> 02:08:28,159 >> We'll put this up there and you can show 3016 02:08:28,159 --> 02:08:29,760 us which 3017 02:08:29,760 --> 02:08:35,599 >> actually pretty easy. It's the lower the south western triangle 3018 02:08:35,599 --> 02:08:38,159 next to 140. 3019 02:08:38,159 --> 02:08:40,639 Think everybody saw that 3020 02:08:40,639 --> 02:08:41,280 >> it's 3021 02:08:41,280 --> 02:08:42,960 >> um 3022 02:08:42,960 --> 02:08:44,960 >> we have we do have we do make mistakes 3023 02:08:44,960 --> 02:08:47,920 at the county. The maps that we go by 3024 02:08:47,920 --> 02:08:51,199 here are are the more authoritative than 3025 02:08:51,199 --> 02:08:52,480 I don't know the assessor's office 3026 02:08:52,480 --> 02:08:54,159 sometimes will have it listed some way 3027 02:08:54,159 --> 02:08:56,880 because it might be in farm tax 3028 02:08:56,880 --> 02:08:58,400 deferral. 3029 02:08:58,400 --> 02:09:00,480 I'm just referring to the to the land 3030 02:09:00,480 --> 02:09:02,320 explorer. 3031 02:09:02,320 --> 02:09:04,239 >> That's it tax. 3032 02:09:04,239 --> 02:09:05,679 >> This is the screenshot of it. 3033 02:09:05,679 --> 02:09:07,520 >> This is a screenshot up there. So, 3034 02:09:07,520 --> 02:09:10,239 >> yeah, it's it's that triangle down in 3035 02:09:10,239 --> 02:09:13,119 the left hand corner there. 3036 02:09:13,119 --> 02:09:14,880 >> Well, that's where I got all the 3037 02:09:14,880 --> 02:09:16,719 information off was land explorer. That 3038 02:09:16,719 --> 02:09:20,159 was a screenshot that I did. So, um 3039 02:09:20,159 --> 02:09:22,320 >> I can show you. 3040 02:09:22,320 --> 02:09:24,239 >> We can go right online right now. 3041 02:09:24,239 --> 02:09:29,199 >> Go for it. Um, but I mean it's I know it's not EFU. It's not it um 3042 02:09:29,199 --> 02:09:30,880 it could it could be that listed at the 3043 02:09:30,880 --> 02:09:32,560 Cess's office because of farm tax 3044 02:09:32,560 --> 02:09:34,880 deferral because it is farmed. Uh but 3045 02:09:34,880 --> 02:09:36,400 it's not EFU. 3046 02:09:36,400 --> 02:09:38,079 >> It it actually does specify that it's 3047 02:09:38,079 --> 02:09:39,679 non EFU. 3048 02:09:39,679 --> 02:09:42,000 >> Yeah. I mean the way it's Yeah. Yep. 3049 02:09:42,000 --> 02:09:45,520 It's not EFU 100%. 3050 02:09:45,520 --> 02:09:46,400 >> But it's not commercial. 3051 02:09:46,400 --> 02:09:47,679 >> No, it is commercial. 3052 02:09:47,679 --> 02:09:49,599 >> Okay. That's not not what the Land 3053 02:09:49,599 --> 02:09:50,400 Explorer says. 3054 02:09:50,400 --> 02:09:51,920 >> This is for This is Land Explorer. what 3055 02:09:51,920 --> 02:09:53,840 you're looking at right here. 3056 02:09:53,840 --> 02:09:55,040 >> Brought God pulled up. 3057 02:09:55,040 --> 02:09:55,440 >> Okay. 3058 02:09:55,440 --> 02:09:57,040 >> I'm looking at the last assessor's 3059 02:09:57,040 --> 02:09:58,800 report. 3060 02:09:58,800 --> 02:10:01,440 >> Well, that's the assessor's report. 3061 02:10:01,440 --> 02:10:02,719 >> Yeah. 3062 02:10:02,719 --> 02:10:06,560 >> The the map governs EFU. There is no EFU 3063 02:10:06,560 --> 02:10:08,639 inside of urban growth foundry. There's 3064 02:10:08,639 --> 02:10:09,920 a different way to think of it. 3065 02:10:09,920 --> 02:10:11,360 >> Okay. 3066 02:10:11,360 --> 02:10:12,079 >> All right. 3067 02:10:12,079 --> 02:10:13,679 >> But you're on you're on that right 3068 02:10:13,679 --> 02:10:14,560 there. So, 3069 02:10:14,560 --> 02:10:17,119 >> so I'll pull up land explorer. 3070 02:10:17,119 --> 02:10:20,639 >> The other question I had was my math. I 3071 02:10:20,639 --> 02:10:25,040 did some math on the lot sizes that or 3072 02:10:25,040 --> 02:10:28,480 on the document that we got and they 3073 02:10:28,480 --> 02:10:32,960 look like 1 nth of an acre and I believe 3074 02:10:32,960 --> 02:10:35,360 medium density is eighth of an acre, 3075 02:10:35,360 --> 02:10:37,920 isn't it? 3076 02:10:37,920 --> 02:10:40,239 >> Medium density 7th minimum size. Is that 3077 02:10:40,239 --> 02:10:41,119 what you're talking about? 3078 02:10:41,119 --> 02:10:44,880 >> Medium density is 7,000 square ft. It's 3079 02:10:44,880 --> 02:10:47,760 about an acre and these are 3080 02:10:47,760 --> 02:10:51,760 >> 714 which is a nth of an acre. 3081 02:10:51,760 --> 02:10:54,239 Anyway, just saying that the the plan 3082 02:10:54,239 --> 02:10:57,119 shows higher density than the medium 3083 02:10:57,119 --> 02:10:59,360 density even shows. 3084 02:10:59,360 --> 02:11:02,239 >> Well, medium density is 6,000 square 3085 02:11:02,239 --> 02:11:07,199 feet an acre and most of those are 150 3086 02:11:07,199 --> 02:11:08,560 and 150 by 3087 02:11:08,560 --> 02:11:11,760 >> 110 by 110 by 55, which is a little over 3088 02:11:11,760 --> 02:11:14,880 6,000 square feet. 3089 02:11:14,880 --> 02:11:18,000 >> We we we misspoke. Our 3090 02:11:18,000 --> 02:11:19,280 >> planning department spoke earlier and 3091 02:11:19,280 --> 02:11:21,520 said it was 7,000 square feet. It's not 3092 02:11:21,520 --> 02:11:23,520 at 6,000. 3093 02:11:23,520 --> 02:11:25,440 >> The document in the staff report says 3094 02:11:25,440 --> 02:11:28,960 it's 5,000 for the minimum lot size 3095 02:11:28,960 --> 02:11:31,920 of so it's five and then it has a 3096 02:11:31,920 --> 02:11:34,320 provision for duplexes. That's the 3097 02:11:34,320 --> 02:11:37,760 provision that is in 3098 02:11:37,760 --> 02:11:40,480 >> uh illegal now like state law that you 3099 02:11:40,480 --> 02:11:42,719 can't discriminate against duplexes with 3100 02:11:42,719 --> 02:11:45,199 differing lot sizes. So it's it is five. 3101 02:11:45,199 --> 02:11:47,920 You're correct. 3102 02:11:47,920 --> 02:11:51,360 This is the map, the um the zoning map 3103 02:11:51,360 --> 02:11:53,599 from Land Explorer right off the 3104 02:11:53,599 --> 02:11:55,840 website. 3105 02:11:55,840 --> 02:11:56,880 I think if you click on 3106 02:11:56,880 --> 02:11:59,280 >> I think you're looking at the assessor's 3107 02:11:59,280 --> 02:12:00,480 report 3108 02:12:00,480 --> 02:12:02,960 >> and uh the assessor's report doesn't 3109 02:12:02,960 --> 02:12:07,199 govern zoning. The the zoning map does 3110 02:12:07,199 --> 02:12:08,639 the assessor's report could have been 3111 02:12:08,639 --> 02:12:11,199 left over from 50 years ago where it 3112 02:12:11,199 --> 02:12:13,920 didn't um prezoning 3113 02:12:13,920 --> 02:12:15,840 >> it was dated 2025, but okay. 3114 02:12:15,840 --> 02:12:18,560 >> No, I I'm just saying that the the 3115 02:12:18,560 --> 02:12:21,520 description of uh farm use or anything 3116 02:12:21,520 --> 02:12:24,880 like that could have predated zoning. 3117 02:12:24,880 --> 02:12:26,880 There's errors like that all over, 3118 02:12:26,880 --> 02:12:33,350 >> but this is the official map and it's zoned general commercial. 3119 02:12:33,360 --> 02:12:34,719 We will we will try to get that 3120 02:12:34,719 --> 02:12:36,800 corrected. That is a mistake. It happens 3121 02:12:36,800 --> 02:12:38,639 every once in a while. 3122 02:12:38,639 --> 02:12:41,040 >> That was all I had. 3123 02:12:41,040 --> 02:12:43,199 >> That's all you had. Okay. Any questions 3124 02:12:43,199 --> 02:12:44,639 for this gentleman from the planning, 3125 02:12:44,639 --> 02:12:47,199 please? Okay. Thank you so much for your 3126 02:12:47,199 --> 02:12:50,159 testimony. Now, we'll take a break. 3127 02:12:50,159 --> 02:12:52,560 Okay. And then when we come back, we're 3128 02:12:52,560 --> 02:12:54,719 going to have rebuttal by the applicant. 3129 02:12:54,719 --> 02:12:56,880 >> When are we back? 3130 02:12:56,880 --> 02:12:58,719 >> Oh, how many how many minutes? 3131 02:12:58,719 --> 02:13:00,880 >> 8:13 right now. Uh, 3132 02:13:00,880 --> 02:13:05,639 >> well, let's be back at 8:30. Okay.