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to call to order the council meeting of

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September 9th.

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we have an agenda in front of us and I

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moment and I'm going to guess that she

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might want to add something in council

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committee reports on kneehill housing.

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So I'm going to put a placeholder in

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there for her.

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So that' be 9.1.

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And I have an addition in close session

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um which will be 11.2 two

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intergovernmental relations uh under

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section uh 26

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when they access information.

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Any other Sure. Councelor Cunningham.

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>> I'll just add division five update

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» I'll just add division five update

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please for council and committee reports

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>> 9.2.

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» 9.2.

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>> Thank you.

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» Any others? Councelor Christie

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>> quick report on community futures

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community futures 9.3

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any other additions to the agenda uh

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deputy ei

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>> quick division one

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» quick division one

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report

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>> 9.4 Four

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division one

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9.5 is harvest report

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which is foremost in all of our minds.

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Any other additions to the agenda?

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Council Christie.

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>> If not I'll move the agenda as amended.

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» If not I'll move the agenda as amended.

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>> Okay. Thank you for that. So I have a

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» Okay. Thank you for that. So I have a

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motion to approve the agenda as amended.

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All those in favor

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and that is carried unanimously. Thank

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you. The regular meeting minutes from

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August 26th were pre-irculated.

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Are there any um addition or any

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corrections? Any comment on those?

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If not, would someone care to move their

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adoption? Councelor Penner,

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>> I'd move the approval of adoption of the

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» I'd move the approval of adoption of the

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minutes of the August 26, 2025 regular

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council meeting as presented.

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>> Okay, thank you for that. So, we have a

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» Okay, thank you for that. So, we have a

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motion to approve the council minutes

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from the August 26th meeting as

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presented. All those in favor?

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And that's also carried unanimous. Thank

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you.

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The first item in our agenda this

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morning and she pre-warned us that she

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was coming is 5.1.1

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which is policy 51 review of planning

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and development fees and welcome

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arb Hazelton

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and anytime you're ready.

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>> Good morning Reeve members of council.

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» Good morning Reeve members of council.

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So just as part of the normal rotation

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for reviewing policies, this is being

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brought to council with a couple of

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minor changes for your review. This

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policy was put in place to ensure a

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consistent approach to processing

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applications and any refunds that might

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be provided based on where the

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application is in the process. This

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policy was last reviewed by council in

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May of 2021. We have removed one clause

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under refunds and revised the clause

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following it which now notes refunds or

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partial refunds for the applications

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that have gone through the majority of

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the process would require the approval

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of the CAO or designate. We have also

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made some formatting changes to the

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numbering in the policy and it should be

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noted that we rarely refund application

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fees. It's not something that comes up a

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lot. Um, one other item that I missed

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before it got into the package. So on

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the original policy number nine where it

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says permitted use development permits

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that are withdrawn before the permit is

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issued will receive a full refund and I

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missed that point in the new policy. So

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I just want to swap that one over as

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well but other than that um

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what we're proposing.

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So you're suggesting there would be

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under refunds then there'd be a 0.5

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which would basically say correct

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exactly what 0.9 says in the old policy.

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>> Yes. Correct.

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» Yes. Correct.

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» Or somewhere in that number.

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>> Yes.

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So, any questions

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uh for planning with regard to this

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proposed new uh reddraft of the planning

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and development fees and refunds policy?

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>> Yes, councelor Popes, please.

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» Yes, councelor Popes, please.

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>> Just curious to the feedback from the

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» Just curious to the feedback from the

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public when um they come in to do the

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process and then it gets denied and they

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don't get their funding back. So has

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there been a lot of push back from

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>> No, people are aware of that upfront. So

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» No, people are aware of that upfront. So

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it's it's gone through the process.

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>> perfect. Thank you.

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» perfect. Thank you.

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>> We've never even had anyone ask I don't

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» We've never even had anyone ask I don't

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believe for that funding.

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» Any other questions or comment?

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nothing to do with this. This is just to

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do with your department and kudos to you

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guys because it's everything we hear is

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very positive when it comes to planning.

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I've never heard a negative um to do

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with planning to be honest with you with

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with the ladies and the gentlemen now.

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Um so thank you for making our job

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easier.

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>> Thank you.

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» Thank you.

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>> You probably don't hear that from us

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» You probably don't hear that from us

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very often that you're making our job

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easier,

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>> but you do.

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» but you do.

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Penner is correct.

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comments, I would look for a motion to

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um approve the proposed policy

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uh 5.1.

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Deputy Reed McGee,

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>> I move that we approve the draft policy

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» I move that we approve the draft policy

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5-1 with the amendment mentioned.

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» Okay.

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So we have a motion to approve uh draft

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policy 5.1

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um as amended. So that's planning and

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development fees and refunds.

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Any further question or comment?

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those in favor

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and that is carried unanimously. Thank

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you Miss Hazelton.

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Next in our agenda is 5.1.2

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which is a request to amend land use by

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law county residential district and

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welcome Miss Kever.

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>> Good morning.

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» Good morning.

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>> Good morning. Um, Michael and Stephanie

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» Good morning. Um, Michael and Stephanie

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Beach had applied to amend land use

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bylaw 1808 by adding a new discretionary

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use to the country residential district

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that they wish to add M greenhouse

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seasonal to the country residential

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district in which they reside. A new

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definition was also drafted to match the

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use. The applicants were unaware when

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they purchased their property that a

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greenhouse which was selling flowers and

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other products were doing so without any

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applicable permits. Under the MGA,

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applications to amend the land use bylaw

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requires a public hearing to be held

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prior to adopting the bylaw. First

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reading of this proposed bylaw amendment

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was given on July 22nd, 2025. This was

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the mechanism for getting the

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application in the queue. All

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information and questions regarding the

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application were brought forward to the

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public hearing held on August 26, 2025.

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And as per the MJ, council must hear any

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person or group of people who claim to

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be affected by a proposed bylaw. Any

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land owner who feels they will be

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impacted by a proposed development

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either positively or negatively has the

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opportunity to come and speak about the

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matter directly at the public hearing.

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Affected parties could also submit their

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comments in writing. It should be noted

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at this time also that no letters in

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opposition were received. As council

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reviews and discusses the content of the

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public hearing, it can approve, amend,

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or defeat the proposed bylaw.

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Participating in the public hearing is

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the legislative method to provide your

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comments to council for consideration.

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additional information should be

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considered in the decision-making

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process. This amendment is about adding

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a discretionary use. It is not a permit

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to develop. If successful in their

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application, specific details regarding

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the development will be required to be

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submitted and approved by the municipal

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planning commission. The applicant has

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indicated as per their letter of intent

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they purchased this property unaware

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they would not be able to operate a

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greenhouse for two months of the year.

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bylaw amendment as an opportunity for

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council to consider this additional use

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which would allow the applicant to

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continue using the existing facilities

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on a seasonal basis not to exceed 3

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months as per the definition for a

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greenhouse seasonal.

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» Okay, thank you for that miss. Are there

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any questions for the planner regarding

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this

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addition of

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discretionary use

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» deputy McGee?

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I'd like to make the motion that council

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give second reading of proposed bylaw

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1923 for the purpose of amending land

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use bylaw 1808 by adding greenhouse

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seasonal to the discretionary uses in

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the country residential district.

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>> Okay, thank you for that. So, we do have

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» Okay, thank you for that. So, we do have

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a motion um to provide second reading to

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the proposed bylaw of 1923

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uh for the purpose of amending the land

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use bylaw 1808 by adding M greenhouse

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seasonal to the discretionary uses in

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country residential district.

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Any further discussion?

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Okay, I'm not seeing any. I'm Oh, sorry.

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Councelor was just a question. In this

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instance, we're giving them two months.

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Um, is there an opportunity for this?

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>> Oh, sorry. Through the chair. The

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» Oh, sorry. Through the chair. The

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definition says three months.

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>> Okay. But they're looking at two months.

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» Okay. But they're looking at two months.

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decision on which three months or they

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they pick the three months.

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>> They they can pick the three months.

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» They they can pick the three months.

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It's going to be a little hard to police

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and enforce. I I hope um we just won't

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have to worry about that. I I guess one

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comment was um brought up

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it doesn't have to be consecutive. So if

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they have a really good strong two

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months and then they wish to sell

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poinsettas in December, you know, that'd

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be a monthish like um we're not going to

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be going 90 days exactly, but hopefully

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we can use our discretion. And then also

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if we did, it is complaintbased. So, if

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we did receive complaints that, oh, no,

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they're like six months of the year.

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Well, then we would have to look at it

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again.

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>> Okay. No, that's just what I was trying

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» Okay. No, that's just what I was trying

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Oh, sorry.

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>> Go ahead.

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» Go ahead.

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>> I I was just trying to determine if it

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» I I was just trying to determine if it

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had to be consecutive or if you could

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split it up. So, you've answered my

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question. Thank you.

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» All right. Is there any other comment or

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question uh with regard to the motion to

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give second reading to proposed bylaw

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1923 for the purpose of amending land

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use bylaw 1808

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by adding m greenhouse seasonal to the

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discretionary uses in country

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residential district?

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If there's not I'm going to call the

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question. All those in favor

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and that is carried unanimously. Thank

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you. Council

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Witstone,

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I would move the council give third

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reading to bylaw 1923 for the purpose of

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amending land use bylaw 1808 by adding M

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greenhouse seasonal to discretionary

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uses in the county res county

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residential district.

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Okay, thank you for that.

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All right. So, we have a motion from

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councelor Witstock that we give third

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reading to bylaw 1923,

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which is basically adding greenhouse

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seasonal to discretionary uses in the

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country residential district. Any

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further discussion?

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Okay, I'm not seeing any, so I'm going

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to call the question. All those in

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favor?

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And that is also carried unanimously.

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Thank you, Miss Kever. I also know that

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you're not leaving us just yet because

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you are also taking 5.1.3

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which is direct control district 2 42-

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no sorry 2-42

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4247-25

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oh my goodness D-B

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rear yard setback varants. So anytime

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you're ready. That's quite a mouthful.

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>> Yes it is.

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» Yes it is.

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Uh, Lidell Juke has applied for 40% rear

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yard setback variance for the proposed

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construction of a new garage within a

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portion of the southeast of 272820

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plan 1000965

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block 1, lot one. The location of this

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proposed is within the direct control

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district 2. This parcel of land was

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reszoned to direct control in order to

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accommodate the subdivision of an

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additional parcel not allowed within the

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planning documents at that time. As per

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land use bylaw 18081064C,

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the municipal planning commission shall

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review development proposals within a

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direct control district and provide

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comments and recommendations that will

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be forwarded to council. A garage

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accessory building is a permitted use in

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the DC2. However, variances over 20%

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require municipal planning commission

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approval. This application was brought

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to the August 28th MPC meeting and was

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approved with conditions. The DC2 direct

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district development standards are to be

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determined by council or its delegate.

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In this case, since the zoning of this

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parcel was zoned agriculture prior to

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the zoning of DC2, and they are the most

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relevant standards for this parcel and

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situation, the agricultural district

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sighting regulations were recommended.

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The rear yard setback in the egg

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district is 7.6 6 m or 25 ft and the

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landowner wishes to construct a new

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garage 4.57 m or 15 ft from the rear

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property line. The reasons for the

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request are due to the location of the

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septic tank and treatment mound as well

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as a mature stand of trees. The

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accessory building is being proposed on

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the north side of the yard site where

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two smaller buildings previously were

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situated.

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Since this application has already been

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recommended for approval by the

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municipal planning commission, it is

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assumed that council will approve with

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conditions which are attached and the

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adjacent land owner to the north had no

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objections to this relaxation.

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» Okay, thank you for that.

402
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Are there any questions for Miss Kever

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regarding the application for the

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variance

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in this direct control district?

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» Okay. Then what's the wish of council?

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» Councelor Christie. I'd make the motion

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to approve application 4247-25-d

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for the 40% variance from the rear yard

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setback for a proposed accessory

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building with conditions attached.

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>> Okay, thank you.

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So, we do have a motion that um we

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approve the application 4247-25-D

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for 40% variance from a rear yard

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setback for a proposed accessory

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building which is a garage

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with conditions and the conditions are

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listed in the RFD and those are the

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conditions that were approved by the

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municipal planning commission.

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>> Correct.

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» Correct.

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>> The applicant has already um received

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» The applicant has already um received

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approval from Alberta Transportation

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Economic Corridors as well.

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>> Okay. Thank you for that. Any further

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» Okay. Thank you for that. Any further

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discussion or questions regarding the

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motion to approve?

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If not, I'm going to call the question.

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All those in favor

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and that is carried unanimously. So,

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thank you, Miss Kever.

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00:41:14,800 --> 00:41:16,880
Um,

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appreciate your assistance this morning.

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All right. The

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next item in our agenda

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is 5.3.1,

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which is RCMP versus fire hockey game

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support.

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Um, and Mr. Ganon, I'm going to assume

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that you're taking Miss Knight's place

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and that you're going to make this

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presentation.

447
00:41:48,240 --> 00:41:49,829
>> Uh, good morning, council. Yes, I am.

448
00:41:49,829 --> 00:41:49,839
» Uh, good morning, council. Yes, I am.

449
00:41:49,839 --> 00:41:52,640
Thank you very much. Uh the manager uh

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um provides her regrets for not being

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able to be here today. Uh but

452
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regardless, we're excited to present

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this to council for an opportunity. Um

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the RCMP detachment has hosted

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fundraisers in the past and and

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specifically in 2023 at the local uh

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group uh with a hockey game between the

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RCMP and fire departments. These are

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synonymous around a lot of communities

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and bring a lot of great people

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00:42:18,720 --> 00:42:21,680
together. an opportunity of fun and

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engagement within the communities.

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Knowing this, the fundraiser is being

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kicked off again by the Three Hills

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Detachment. Uh but they've invited all

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the other departments to participate to

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ensure that it is kind of a countywide

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aspect and be able to bring everybody

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together. So, it was really nice of them

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to actually take the initiative and then

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look at this. uh the fire chief's

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committee uh uh meeting held in August.

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Actually, the chiefs have requested if

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Neihill County could actually sponsor

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this and a way to provide hockey jerseys

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uh with all the departments within the

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with the logo that you see within the

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report. This logo was designed and

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worked with for uh the stair climbing

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event which was which the county

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participated in uh which was great for

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the team. It's good for team building

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and it's good for the county to get

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recognition in other communities just to

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show how these great people work uh and

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provide services for us. So with that um

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we're always in favor with

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administration on providing that

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opportunity to come forward and

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promotion and creating that teamwork

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aspect uh as it is important in these

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type of roles and functions. The

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fundraiser this year I want to point on

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00:43:40,560 --> 00:43:43,359
is for Kneeh Hill kids sports being held

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October 22nd at 7:30 at the Three Hills

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Arena.

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Um the the sponsor for the firefighting

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teams with the jersey for annual use.

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So, we're looking at a annual

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opportunity to do this and we'll

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incorporate it into our budget to ensure

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that it is covered and it's a minor cost

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I believe um for what's actually being

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proposed. So, at this time they're

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looking for uh an estimated $2,000 range

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for the jerseys and they'll be replaced

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depending on wear and tear. I've seen

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this operate in many different ways in

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different communities. A lot of times

510
00:44:21,280 --> 00:44:23,359
they'll make jerseys every year and then

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they'll change them a little bit every

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year to make them more about the event

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and it creates people a keepsake to take

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home with them that they participate in

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things like this. How the team is

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looking at this right now is actually to

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00:44:36,160 --> 00:44:38,880
reuse the jerseys every year and replace

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them on wear and tear and and those type

519
00:44:40,960 --> 00:44:44,319
of items. So, at this moment, council

520
00:44:44,319 --> 00:44:46,720
has the opportunity to uh approve the

521
00:44:46,720 --> 00:44:49,440
purchase and this program moving forward

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um for $2,000. Um

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and if there's any other questions, I

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can do my best to answer them. Uh

525
00:44:57,599 --> 00:44:59,920
obviously, this initiative was uh

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pronounced at the fire chief meeting. I

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wasn't present, but I I have uh um been

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00:45:04,960 --> 00:45:06,960
given a briefing and and hopefully I can

529
00:45:06,960 --> 00:45:08,160
provide you some additional

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00:45:08,160 --> 00:45:11,040
clarification should you require it.

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00:45:11,040 --> 00:45:13,119
Thank you, Mr. Ganon. Are there any

532
00:45:13,119 --> 00:45:16,880
questions for Mr. Ganon regarding this

533
00:45:16,880 --> 00:45:20,000
request for support?

534
00:45:20,000 --> 00:45:22,480
Councelor Phobes, please.

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00:45:22,480 --> 00:45:24,550
>> Will the Nehill County logo be on the

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» Will the Nehill County logo be on the

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00:45:24,560 --> 00:45:26,960
jerseys?

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00:45:26,960 --> 00:45:28,790
>> Thank you. Uh through the chair, if you

539
00:45:28,790 --> 00:45:28,800
» Thank you. Uh through the chair, if you

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00:45:28,800 --> 00:45:31,520
look at the logo that's up there, uh on

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00:45:31,520 --> 00:45:33,680
the actual presentation, it shows all

542
00:45:33,680 --> 00:45:36,400
fire departments. So, it says NHL County

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00:45:36,400 --> 00:45:38,480
Firefighters. Instead of stair climbing

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00:45:38,480 --> 00:45:40,720
team, it will actually have hockey team

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00:45:40,720 --> 00:45:43,040
on it. Um, but all those individual

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00:45:43,040 --> 00:45:44,480
logos are on it.

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00:45:44,480 --> 00:45:49,910
>> Thank you.

548
00:45:49,920 --> 00:45:52,960
» Okay. Any further questions

549
00:45:52,960 --> 00:45:56,720
um or discussion related to the request

550
00:45:56,720 --> 00:46:01,349
that's in front of us?

551
00:46:01,359 --> 00:46:02,800
Uh, Councelor Penner, please.

552
00:46:02,800 --> 00:46:04,950
>> I just comment. that I have seen this

553
00:46:04,950 --> 00:46:04,960
» I just comment. that I have seen this

554
00:46:04,960 --> 00:46:06,720
done in, you know, what this event, you

555
00:46:06,720 --> 00:46:07,520
know what I mean? I think it's great

556
00:46:07,520 --> 00:46:09,200
that they work together and whatnot. I

557
00:46:09,200 --> 00:46:11,599
could get behind this um for a one time

558
00:46:11,599 --> 00:46:13,200
um where they reuse the jerseys. I think

559
00:46:13,200 --> 00:46:16,960
that's uh that's my opinion. Um just a I

560
00:46:16,960 --> 00:46:18,319
can make it a motion, but I just want to

561
00:46:18,319 --> 00:46:20,480
make sure the rest of council is fine

562
00:46:20,480 --> 00:46:24,150
with that.

563
00:46:24,160 --> 00:46:26,720
So, basically what we would be approving

564
00:46:26,720 --> 00:46:30,319
at this point is a one-time

565
00:46:30,319 --> 00:46:33,839
$2,000 maximum $2,000

566
00:46:33,839 --> 00:46:36,160
um from the protective services

567
00:46:36,160 --> 00:46:38,960
operating budget. Correct, Mr. G?

568
00:46:38,960 --> 00:46:40,790
>> Uh correct. There's there's also the

569
00:46:40,790 --> 00:46:40,800
» Uh correct. There's there's also the

570
00:46:40,800 --> 00:46:43,839
opportunity if you want or if you if

571
00:46:43,839 --> 00:46:46,240
council should uh should choose that we

572
00:46:46,240 --> 00:46:47,839
could do this annually. We believe that

573
00:46:47,839 --> 00:46:49,760
this is going to be an annual event and

574
00:46:49,760 --> 00:46:51,520
should it be an annual event, we can

575
00:46:51,520 --> 00:46:52,720
actually put it in the budget for

576
00:46:52,720 --> 00:46:55,200
consideration for future years. We do

577
00:46:55,200 --> 00:46:56,960
have available budget space to cover

578
00:46:56,960 --> 00:46:59,920
this year's amount. So, um the current

579
00:46:59,920 --> 00:47:03,119
budget will absorb can absorb the cost

580
00:47:03,119 --> 00:47:05,920
for the remainder of the year. Um so

581
00:47:05,920 --> 00:47:07,920
there's multiple choices. If you give

582
00:47:07,920 --> 00:47:10,160
administration the authority to do this

583
00:47:10,160 --> 00:47:12,480
on a yearly basis should it come up,

584
00:47:12,480 --> 00:47:14,960
we'll ensure it's in the budget. Uh, and

585
00:47:14,960 --> 00:47:17,280
if it doesn't participate, it just goes

586
00:47:17,280 --> 00:47:23,109
back into um, uh, the surplus.

587
00:47:23,119 --> 00:47:28,079
» Okay. Any other discussion? Um, comment.

588
00:47:28,079 --> 00:47:29,760
Councelor Phobes, please.

589
00:47:29,760 --> 00:47:31,589
>> I'm in favor of what you're saying as

590
00:47:31,589 --> 00:47:31,599
» I'm in favor of what you're saying as

591
00:47:31,599 --> 00:47:33,359
well. Um, councelor Penner, I would like

592
00:47:33,359 --> 00:47:35,119
to see it yearly. Let the new council

593
00:47:35,119 --> 00:47:36,640
decide if that should be something in

594
00:47:36,640 --> 00:47:39,839
the new budget coming forward.

595
00:47:39,839 --> 00:47:43,190
>> Okay. Thank you for that.

596
00:47:43,190 --> 00:47:43,200
» Okay. Thank you for that.

597
00:47:43,200 --> 00:47:44,560
Go ahead, councelor Penner.

598
00:47:44,560 --> 00:47:46,790
>> Um, today we're just looking at the

599
00:47:46,790 --> 00:47:46,800
» Um, today we're just looking at the

600
00:47:46,800 --> 00:47:48,319
jerseys, correct? And that should

601
00:47:48,319 --> 00:47:50,640
that'll cover a set of jerseys, what

602
00:47:50,640 --> 00:47:51,920
you're saying. Um,

603
00:47:51,920 --> 00:47:52,470
>> yes,

604
00:47:52,470 --> 00:47:52,480
» yes,

605
00:47:52,480 --> 00:47:54,309
>> absolutely. We should support this event

606
00:47:54,309 --> 00:47:54,319
» absolutely. We should support this event

607
00:47:54,319 --> 00:47:56,319
going forward, but it may only be a

608
00:47:56,319 --> 00:47:57,760
couple hundred dollars going forward or

609
00:47:57,760 --> 00:47:59,440
whatever, whatever the event is, you

610
00:47:59,440 --> 00:48:01,359
know. Um, I don't think that Miho County

611
00:48:01,359 --> 00:48:04,079
needs to be the only one on the hook for

612
00:48:04,079 --> 00:48:07,760
this. So, um, so here today, um, I would

613
00:48:07,760 --> 00:48:10,000
make the motion that we approve

614
00:48:10,000 --> 00:48:12,079
purchasing hockey jerseys for the NIH

615
00:48:12,079 --> 00:48:15,440
firefighter team for the RCMP versus the

616
00:48:15,440 --> 00:48:18,880
fire hockey game versus fire hockey game

617
00:48:18,880 --> 00:48:21,440
fundraiser to a maximum of $2,000 with

618
00:48:21,440 --> 00:48:23,440
funds from the protective services

619
00:48:23,440 --> 00:48:25,680
operating budget.

620
00:48:25,680 --> 00:48:27,670
>> Okay. Thank you, councelor Penner. Are

621
00:48:27,670 --> 00:48:27,680
» Okay. Thank you, councelor Penner. Are

622
00:48:27,680 --> 00:48:31,040
there any comments? Deputy Reed McGee.

623
00:48:31,040 --> 00:48:32,559
I'm I'm concerned about us putting in

624
00:48:32,559 --> 00:48:34,720
that it's for the fundraiser because I'd

625
00:48:34,720 --> 00:48:36,720
like to see these jerseys to be used for

626
00:48:36,720 --> 00:48:39,680
whatever might come up.

627
00:48:39,680 --> 00:48:42,559
Um so I'm I'm not sure what we want to

628
00:48:42,559 --> 00:48:44,720
do with that, but I understand that's

629
00:48:44,720 --> 00:48:46,240
the intent that they're not going to be

630
00:48:46,240 --> 00:48:49,760
used for this one event. Correct.

631
00:48:49,760 --> 00:48:51,990
>> Uh through the chair. So it it does open

632
00:48:51,990 --> 00:48:52,000
» Uh through the chair. So it it does open

633
00:48:52,000 --> 00:48:53,520
opportunities depending on other

634
00:48:53,520 --> 00:48:55,359
fundraising opportunities and I think

635
00:48:55,359 --> 00:48:57,359
that protective services can work with

636
00:48:57,359 --> 00:49:00,240
the fire departments and work on how

637
00:49:00,240 --> 00:49:02,160
they're going to be reallocated or

638
00:49:02,160 --> 00:49:05,040
reused for um different events

639
00:49:05,040 --> 00:49:08,640
potentially. Um the and that may be the

640
00:49:08,640 --> 00:49:10,480
strategy that we can go forward instead

641
00:49:10,480 --> 00:49:12,240
of saying hockey team on it. We can

642
00:49:12,240 --> 00:49:14,079
actually just leave that blank. So

643
00:49:14,079 --> 00:49:15,520
should they choose for a different

644
00:49:15,520 --> 00:49:17,599
event, it actually can be used for those

645
00:49:17,599 --> 00:49:20,400
different events.

646
00:49:20,400 --> 00:49:24,870
>> I'd be much more comfortable with that.

647
00:49:24,880 --> 00:49:25,520
» Those are better.

648
00:49:25,520 --> 00:49:27,510
>> Um I I like that idea. I mean, they

649
00:49:27,510 --> 00:49:27,520
» Um I I like that idea. I mean, they

650
00:49:27,520 --> 00:49:28,960
could put in a curling team or something

651
00:49:28,960 --> 00:49:30,160
like that. They could wear them, you

652
00:49:30,160 --> 00:49:32,079
know. So sure, not that it's part of the

653
00:49:32,079 --> 00:49:37,030
motion, but I like your idea. Thank you.

654
00:49:37,040 --> 00:49:40,950
Any

655
00:49:40,960 --> 00:49:42,800
other comment

656
00:49:42,800 --> 00:49:43,920
McGee?

657
00:49:43,920 --> 00:49:47,670
>> So I I just when it comes to voting, I'd

658
00:49:47,670 --> 00:49:47,680
» So I I just when it comes to voting, I'd

659
00:49:47,680 --> 00:49:49,440
be much more comfortable if we took out

660
00:49:49,440 --> 00:49:53,190
for the firefighters

661
00:49:53,200 --> 00:49:56,079
fundraiser. So um purchase hockey

662
00:49:56,079 --> 00:49:57,680
jerseys for the Mihill firefighters

663
00:49:57,680 --> 00:50:03,750
team. Period.

664
00:50:03,760 --> 00:50:05,760
» Well, it does say for the hockey game

665
00:50:05,760 --> 00:50:07,359
and other

666
00:50:07,359 --> 00:50:11,520
Okay, that's good. Y

667
00:50:11,520 --> 00:50:13,510
>> thanks for the change. Yeah.

668
00:50:13,510 --> 00:50:13,520
» thanks for the change. Yeah.

669
00:50:13,520 --> 00:50:16,549
>> So I think with the change it

670
00:50:16,549 --> 00:50:16,559
» So I think with the change it

671
00:50:16,559 --> 00:50:28,069
expresses that it's for more than

672
00:50:28,079 --> 00:50:31,040
» so council Penner is the motion is now

673
00:50:31,040 --> 00:50:33,200
that council approve purchasing of

674
00:50:33,200 --> 00:50:34,880
hockey jerseys for the kneehill

675
00:50:34,880 --> 00:50:37,680
firefighters team for the RCMP versus

676
00:50:37,680 --> 00:50:40,960
fire hockey game and other uses to a

677
00:50:40,960 --> 00:50:43,200
maximum of $2,000.

678
00:50:43,200 --> 00:50:45,520
with funds from the protective services

679
00:50:45,520 --> 00:50:47,839
operating budget.

680
00:50:47,839 --> 00:50:51,280
You okay with that?

681
00:50:51,280 --> 00:50:54,150
>> Okay. All right. Any further discussion

682
00:50:54,150 --> 00:50:54,160
» Okay. All right. Any further discussion

683
00:50:54,160 --> 00:50:58,720
or comment related to the sponsorship

684
00:50:58,720 --> 00:51:01,359
that's being proposed here and the

685
00:51:01,359 --> 00:51:05,349
motion?

686
00:51:05,359 --> 00:51:07,040
So, I'm not seeing any. So, my

687
00:51:07,040 --> 00:51:08,559
assumption is that you're ready for the

688
00:51:08,559 --> 00:51:11,040
question. So I'm going to say all those

689
00:51:11,040 --> 00:51:13,599
in favor.

690
00:51:13,599 --> 00:51:15,040
There are none. So it's carried

691
00:51:15,040 --> 00:51:16,400
unanimously.

692
00:51:16,400 --> 00:51:18,630
>> Thank you, Mr. Ganon.

693
00:51:18,630 --> 00:51:18,640
» Thank you, Mr. Ganon.

694
00:51:18,640 --> 00:51:22,069
>> Okay, we have a delegation at nine. So

695
00:51:22,069 --> 00:51:22,079
» Okay, we have a delegation at nine. So

696
00:51:22,079 --> 00:51:24,400
I'm going to say we're in recess for 3

697
00:51:24,400 --> 00:51:26,960
minutes to allow whatever setup needs to

698
00:51:26,960 --> 00:51:31,599
take place for that delegation

699
00:51:31,599 --> 00:54:55,990
uh to be here.

700
00:54:56,000 --> 00:54:58,160
So, it's 9:01 and I'll call our meeting

701
00:54:58,160 --> 00:55:00,960
back to order. At this point, we have a

702
00:55:00,960 --> 00:55:05,280
delegation and um our presenter is um

703
00:55:05,280 --> 00:55:09,680
Dr. Am I correct? Dr. Blake Schaefer.

704
00:55:09,680 --> 00:55:11,599
He's an associate professor of economics

705
00:55:11,599 --> 00:55:13,920
at the University of Calgary and a

706
00:55:13,920 --> 00:55:17,440
co-director of the net zero electrics

707
00:55:17,440 --> 00:55:20,400
electricity research initiative

708
00:55:20,400 --> 00:55:23,839
and co-director of Canadian energy

709
00:55:23,839 --> 00:55:26,720
modeling hub. Wow, sounds like you're a

710
00:55:26,720 --> 00:55:30,319
busy man. Uh so welcome uh Dr. Schaefer.

711
00:55:30,319 --> 00:55:32,000
Appreciate you coming today and we look

712
00:55:32,000 --> 00:55:33,520
forward to hearing what you have to say

713
00:55:33,520 --> 00:55:37,599
about um our electric system. Um before

714
00:55:37,599 --> 00:55:39,760
I get you started on your presentation,

715
00:55:39,760 --> 00:55:43,119
I will allow council and uh members of

716
00:55:43,119 --> 00:55:45,119
administration to introduce themselves

717
00:55:45,119 --> 00:55:47,520
to you so you're kind of aware of who

718
00:55:47,520 --> 00:55:49,280
you're chatting with this morning. So

719
00:55:49,280 --> 00:55:50,559
councelor Cunningham, if you would

720
00:55:50,559 --> 00:55:51,599
please.

721
00:55:51,599 --> 00:55:53,270
>> Good morning, Lori Michelle Cunningham,

722
00:55:53,270 --> 00:55:53,280
» Good morning, Lori Michelle Cunningham,

723
00:55:53,280 --> 00:55:54,960
Division 5. Thanks so much for taking

724
00:55:54,960 --> 00:55:56,400
the time to come out and chat with us

725
00:55:56,400 --> 00:55:58,480
today.

726
00:55:58,480 --> 00:56:01,190
>> Morning, Dr. Blake. Uh Jerry Witstock,

727
00:56:01,190 --> 00:56:01,200
» Morning, Dr. Blake. Uh Jerry Witstock,

728
00:56:01,200 --> 00:56:03,040
division three. That's the Acme Lindon

729
00:56:03,040 --> 00:56:05,599
area, southwest corner of the county.

730
00:56:05,599 --> 00:56:07,200
Good morning, Debbie Penna. I'm in the

731
00:56:07,200 --> 00:56:08,960
Swall Area, straight south the streets

732
00:56:08,960 --> 00:56:10,400
here.

733
00:56:10,400 --> 00:56:12,309
>> And good morning. I'm Ken King. I

734
00:56:12,309 --> 00:56:12,319
» And good morning. I'm Ken King. I

735
00:56:12,319 --> 00:56:14,799
represent division 7, which is the very

736
00:56:14,799 --> 00:56:17,760
northeast portion of Neo County. So,

737
00:56:17,760 --> 00:56:20,480
kind of the town of Tro north from

738
00:56:20,480 --> 00:56:22,319
there.

739
00:56:22,319 --> 00:56:25,109
>> Good morning. I'm F McGee. I am from

740
00:56:25,109 --> 00:56:25,119
» Good morning. I'm F McGee. I am from

741
00:56:25,119 --> 00:56:27,680
Division One. It kind of goes to the

742
00:56:27,680 --> 00:56:30,079
southeast, which would um come right up

743
00:56:30,079 --> 00:56:34,559
to the borders of Drum Hill area.

744
00:56:34,559 --> 00:56:37,680
Good morning, Carrie Phobes, Division 4.

745
00:56:37,680 --> 00:56:39,589
>> Morning, Wayne Christie. I'm division 6

746
00:56:39,589 --> 00:56:39,599
» Morning, Wayne Christie. I'm division 6

747
00:56:39,599 --> 00:56:41,119
from the Northwest and we're the most

748
00:56:41,119 --> 00:56:42,799
energy efficient on that corner of the

749
00:56:42,799 --> 00:56:46,150
country.

750
00:56:46,160 --> 00:56:47,520
» Morning, Blake. Mike Hogan, chief

751
00:56:47,520 --> 00:56:49,440
administrative officer.

752
00:56:49,440 --> 00:56:50,870
>> Morning, Blake. Carolyn Vener,

753
00:56:50,870 --> 00:56:50,880
» Morning, Blake. Carolyn Vener,

754
00:56:50,880 --> 00:56:53,760
legislative services manager.

755
00:56:53,760 --> 00:56:55,510
>> Good morning, Kevin Ganon, director of

756
00:56:55,510 --> 00:56:55,520
» Good morning, Kevin Ganon, director of

757
00:56:55,520 --> 00:56:57,359
community services.

758
00:56:57,359 --> 00:56:58,630
>> Good morning, Mike Zer, director of

759
00:56:58,630 --> 00:56:58,640
» Good morning, Mike Zer, director of

760
00:56:58,640 --> 00:57:00,880
infrastructure.

761
00:57:00,880 --> 00:57:02,789
>> One more. Sorry. Good morning. Theresa

762
00:57:02,789 --> 00:57:02,799
» One more. Sorry. Good morning. Theresa

763
00:57:02,799 --> 00:57:06,799
Cochran, director of corporate services.

764
00:57:06,799 --> 00:57:10,230
>> So, welcome um Dr. Schaefer and uh if

765
00:57:10,230 --> 00:57:10,240
» So, welcome um Dr. Schaefer and uh if

766
00:57:10,240 --> 00:57:12,640
you want to just uh go right into your

767
00:57:12,640 --> 00:57:14,000
presentation, you can tell us a little

768
00:57:14,000 --> 00:57:15,599
bit about who you are and what it is you

769
00:57:15,599 --> 00:57:17,760
do as well as the presentation that you

770
00:57:17,760 --> 00:57:19,440
brought for us today. We look forward to

771
00:57:19,440 --> 00:57:20,960
that. So, welcome here.

772
00:57:20,960 --> 00:57:23,270
>> Well, do thank you very much. I'll just

773
00:57:23,270 --> 00:57:23,280
» Well, do thank you very much. I'll just

774
00:57:23,280 --> 00:57:25,760
push this back record. Um yeah, thank

775
00:57:25,760 --> 00:57:27,280
you for the opportunity to come today.

776
00:57:27,280 --> 00:57:28,720
Thank you for the invite, Carolyn. It

777
00:57:28,720 --> 00:57:30,400
was a was a lovely drive out this

778
00:57:30,400 --> 00:57:32,319
September morning. Um, I'll throw the

779
00:57:32,319 --> 00:57:34,000
caveat on the doctor. If anyone's not

780
00:57:34,000 --> 00:57:36,160
feeling well, I'm not the person to come

781
00:57:36,160 --> 00:57:39,119
see. So, my my wife reminds me of that

782
00:57:39,119 --> 00:57:40,720
quite frequently. Going to have a

783
00:57:40,720 --> 00:57:42,160
lengthy discussion with you or

784
00:57:42,160 --> 00:57:45,280
something. Um, so the topic that

785
00:57:45,280 --> 00:57:46,799
Caroline and Mike set out was just

786
00:57:46,799 --> 00:57:50,000
simply uh an update and a a discussion

787
00:57:50,000 --> 00:57:51,520
on what's going on with Alberta's

788
00:57:51,520 --> 00:57:52,799
electricity system because there has

789
00:57:52,799 --> 00:57:54,799
been so many changes in the past 10

790
00:57:54,799 --> 00:57:57,920
years. Uh, so I've prepared a a brief

791
00:57:57,920 --> 00:57:59,599
talk just with some high level overview.

792
00:57:59,599 --> 00:58:01,760
I don't know the level of what you guys

793
00:58:01,760 --> 00:58:03,520
uh know and don't know. So, some of it

794
00:58:03,520 --> 00:58:05,440
may be old hat, but really I'd love to

795
00:58:05,440 --> 00:58:07,359
just flow into conversation because I

796
00:58:07,359 --> 00:58:08,559
think that's the best part. I think

797
00:58:08,559 --> 00:58:10,720
that's the most interesting part. Feel

798
00:58:10,720 --> 00:58:12,640
free to interrupt me as we go through.

799
00:58:12,640 --> 00:58:14,799
We can we can have discussion there and

800
00:58:14,799 --> 00:58:16,640
if we're if we're straying too far, I'll

801
00:58:16,640 --> 00:58:18,160
pull it back into finish the

802
00:58:18,160 --> 00:58:20,799
presentation and we'll go from there.

803
00:58:20,799 --> 00:58:23,440
So, so my background, um I like to use

804
00:58:23,440 --> 00:58:25,280
this photo. I try to own it because this

805
00:58:25,280 --> 00:58:27,440
is a good example of uh why we should

806
00:58:27,440 --> 00:58:30,079
have media training. Uh this was my

807
00:58:30,079 --> 00:58:31,680
probably one of my first interviews I

808
00:58:31,680 --> 00:58:34,640
did and uh the person from Calgary

809
00:58:34,640 --> 00:58:36,880
Herald said, "Let's get some some by

810
00:58:36,880 --> 00:58:39,599
line shots uh some B-roll for you. We'll

811
00:58:39,599 --> 00:58:40,799
do it around some electricity

812
00:58:40,799 --> 00:58:42,400
infrastructure." And I was pointing out

813
00:58:42,400 --> 00:58:44,559
some transmission lines. And he said,

814
00:58:44,559 --> 00:58:46,240
"Well, I've got an extension cord in my

815
00:58:46,240 --> 00:58:48,319
truck." And he asked me to hold it. And

816
00:58:48,319 --> 00:58:50,160
then that was on the uh front page of

817
00:58:50,160 --> 00:58:53,359
the Calgary Herald and I I have to live

818
00:58:53,359 --> 00:58:55,440
that down. So I've decided to just own

819
00:58:55,440 --> 00:58:56,000
it.

820
00:58:56,000 --> 00:58:58,789
>> Own it. Um so my current role I'm an

821
00:58:58,789 --> 00:58:58,799
» Own it. Um so my current role I'm an

822
00:58:58,799 --> 00:59:01,040
associate professor at the University of

823
00:59:01,040 --> 00:59:02,960
Calgary uh in the department of

824
00:59:02,960 --> 00:59:05,599
economics. My focus is on energy

825
00:59:05,599 --> 00:59:07,680
markets, energy economics with a real

826
00:59:07,680 --> 00:59:11,280
focus on electricity. Um, uh, like Reef

827
00:59:11,280 --> 00:59:13,599
King said, I'm the director of Canada's

828
00:59:13,599 --> 00:59:16,319
energy modeling hub, which is an open

829
00:59:16,319 --> 00:59:17,920
source modeling initiative to ring

830
00:59:17,920 --> 00:59:20,960
together all of Canada's, um, modeling

831
00:59:20,960 --> 00:59:23,040
entities to improve the quality of our

832
00:59:23,040 --> 00:59:25,040
energy data to try to match that of the

833
00:59:25,040 --> 00:59:27,359
United States, which has sufficiently

834
00:59:27,359 --> 00:59:29,359
significantly better energy modeling

835
00:59:29,359 --> 00:59:32,160
capability than Canada has, sadly. So,

836
00:59:32,160 --> 00:59:34,880
that's been going on for five years now.

837
00:59:34,880 --> 00:59:36,640
We've just renewed for another five.

838
00:59:36,640 --> 00:59:38,640
It's a large project uh funded by

839
00:59:38,640 --> 00:59:41,359
Natural Resources Canada. I'm a regular

840
00:59:41,359 --> 00:59:44,640
policy advisor for multiple governments,

841
00:59:44,640 --> 00:59:46,480
government of Canada, uh government of

842
00:59:46,480 --> 00:59:49,440
Alberta, government BC, um Saskatchewan,

843
00:59:49,440 --> 00:59:52,720
some municipalities as well. I was late

844
00:59:52,720 --> 00:59:54,880
in life to to academia. I've been a

845
00:59:54,880 --> 00:59:57,760
professor for five years. Um most of my

846
00:59:57,760 --> 01:00:00,319
career I was in electricity trading or

847
01:00:00,319 --> 01:00:02,880
energy trading more broadly. Um focus on

848
01:00:02,880 --> 01:00:04,640
electricity, natural gas, emissions

849
01:00:04,640 --> 01:00:06,880
markets. I started my career at BC

850
01:00:06,880 --> 01:00:10,079
Hydro. Um Lehman isn't something really

851
01:00:10,079 --> 01:00:11,920
to brag about, but I I was at Lehman

852
01:00:11,920 --> 01:00:14,079
Brothers and Barkclay's Capital in in

853
01:00:14,079 --> 01:00:16,720
New York. Um and then I was head trader

854
01:00:16,720 --> 01:00:19,119
at Transalta, which is the largest power

855
01:00:19,119 --> 01:00:23,030
company here in Alberta.

856
01:00:23,040 --> 01:00:25,520
So outline of today's talk. I'll just

857
01:00:25,520 --> 01:00:28,480
give you um some overview things you may

858
01:00:28,480 --> 01:00:30,480
already know just how much Alberta's

859
01:00:30,480 --> 01:00:32,079
market is changing, what those changes

860
01:00:32,079 --> 01:00:33,839
really look like with some data and some

861
01:00:33,839 --> 01:00:36,319
charts. And then really I want to focus

862
01:00:36,319 --> 01:00:37,760
on what's next. So what are the

863
01:00:37,760 --> 01:00:40,079
challenges and opportunities um for

864
01:00:40,079 --> 01:00:43,680
Albertans for our power system? And then

865
01:00:43,680 --> 01:00:46,400
a little segue into is Alberta's market

866
01:00:46,400 --> 01:00:48,319
design, our power market design up to

867
01:00:48,319 --> 01:00:50,880
the task. going to just briefly overview

868
01:00:50,880 --> 01:00:53,119
some of those significant changes.

869
01:00:53,119 --> 01:00:54,240
You've may have heard of the

870
01:00:54,240 --> 01:00:56,240
restructured energy market that the grid

871
01:00:56,240 --> 01:00:58,400
operator has been working on uh for

872
01:00:58,400 --> 01:01:00,240
several years now. I was part of the

873
01:01:00,240 --> 01:01:02,640
formation of those discussions. I I I

874
01:01:02,640 --> 01:01:04,160
stepped to the side as they continued,

875
01:01:04,160 --> 01:01:06,400
but they've come to a final design and I

876
01:01:06,400 --> 01:01:08,240
can talk through um some of the

877
01:01:08,240 --> 01:01:10,240
highlights of what that design looks

878
01:01:10,240 --> 01:01:12,079
like and what that might mean for NIH

879
01:01:12,079 --> 01:01:13,760
County.

880
01:01:13,760 --> 01:01:16,400
Okay. So Alberta's electricity system is

881
01:01:16,400 --> 01:01:19,359
changing and and quickly. So this is a

882
01:01:19,359 --> 01:01:22,640
chart that goes up to 2015 and you can

883
01:01:22,640 --> 01:01:25,280
see that that bottom dark gray area is

884
01:01:25,280 --> 01:01:28,000
is coal generation in the mix and you

885
01:01:28,000 --> 01:01:30,400
see just how dominant coal was. If we go

886
01:01:30,400 --> 01:01:32,319
back into the '9s we were almost

887
01:01:32,319 --> 01:01:35,040
entirely coal production uh coal power

888
01:01:35,040 --> 01:01:37,520
production in our province. uh around

889
01:01:37,520 --> 01:01:40,160
2000 with the growth of the oil sands

890
01:01:40,160 --> 01:01:43,200
you see that light gla light gray sliver

891
01:01:43,200 --> 01:01:45,119
uh enlarging quite a bit that's

892
01:01:45,119 --> 01:01:47,359
co-generation largely natural gas

893
01:01:47,359 --> 01:01:50,319
co-generation so by co-generation simply

894
01:01:50,319 --> 01:01:52,240
we're we're burning a fuel we really

895
01:01:52,240 --> 01:01:54,720
want that heat uh for sagd oil

896
01:01:54,720 --> 01:01:56,480
production but since we have that heat

897
01:01:56,480 --> 01:01:58,160
we'll run it through a gas turbine or a

898
01:01:58,160 --> 01:01:59,920
steam turbine and produce some power at

899
01:01:59,920 --> 01:02:02,880
the same time okay natural gas actually

900
01:02:02,880 --> 01:02:04,880
pure natural gas generation you can see

901
01:02:04,880 --> 01:02:06,799
through that period is is actually not

902
01:02:06,799 --> 01:02:09,040
that large. There's a slight enlargement

903
01:02:09,040 --> 01:02:11,280
at 2015 when the Shepard gas plant in

904
01:02:11,280 --> 01:02:14,000
Calgary came in, but natural gas purely

905
01:02:14,000 --> 01:02:15,599
for power generation wasn't as

906
01:02:15,599 --> 01:02:18,799
significant as co-generation and coal.

907
01:02:18,799 --> 01:02:20,880
At the top you see those other slivers

908
01:02:20,880 --> 01:02:23,119
that we have here. Hydro was our

909
01:02:23,119 --> 01:02:26,079
original power source in the province um

910
01:02:26,079 --> 01:02:27,920
continues to to go along but a

911
01:02:27,920 --> 01:02:30,160
relatively small size. No changes to the

912
01:02:30,160 --> 01:02:31,599
amount of production there. We just get

913
01:02:31,599 --> 01:02:34,799
our seasonal variation. uh biomass is in

914
01:02:34,799 --> 01:02:36,960
there and you start to see that sliver

915
01:02:36,960 --> 01:02:38,960
of wind and solar and really during this

916
01:02:38,960 --> 01:02:42,400
period it's pretty much entirely wind

917
01:02:42,400 --> 01:02:44,559
update a few years later and apologies

918
01:02:44,559 --> 01:02:46,640
this chart only goes to 2022 didn't

919
01:02:46,640 --> 01:02:48,880
update it today um but you see that

920
01:02:48,880 --> 01:02:52,480
rapid demise in in coal and you also see

921
01:02:52,480 --> 01:02:55,119
a change where that went so an expansion

922
01:02:55,119 --> 01:02:57,599
of that natural gas generation and by

923
01:02:57,599 --> 01:03:00,160
and large that was conversion of the

924
01:03:00,160 --> 01:03:03,040
large coal plants to be simple cycle

925
01:03:03,040 --> 01:03:05,440
steam turbine natural gas plants. So

926
01:03:05,440 --> 01:03:08,000
really just changing the feed stock on

927
01:03:08,000 --> 01:03:09,440
those power plants. We're going to burn

928
01:03:09,440 --> 01:03:11,200
natural gas instead of coal but keep

929
01:03:11,200 --> 01:03:12,880
most of the power infrastructure the

930
01:03:12,880 --> 01:03:14,960
same. So you see that large expansion in

931
01:03:14,960 --> 01:03:16,400
natural gas and you start to see that

932
01:03:16,400 --> 01:03:19,680
growth in wind and solar uh by that

933
01:03:19,680 --> 01:03:23,670
green area increasing.

934
01:03:23,680 --> 01:03:26,799
I like to show this one just to really

935
01:03:26,799 --> 01:03:30,640
show how dramatic this change has been.

936
01:03:30,640 --> 01:03:33,839
I think you know I I I was I've been

937
01:03:33,839 --> 01:03:35,680
involved at various levels of policy

938
01:03:35,680 --> 01:03:37,359
work and I was trading throughout this

939
01:03:37,359 --> 01:03:39,599
period as well and the idea of

940
01:03:39,599 --> 01:03:41,520
eliminating coal in its entirety in

941
01:03:41,520 --> 01:03:44,480
Alberta in this time frame was often

942
01:03:44,480 --> 01:03:47,039
viewed as unrealistic and you can see

943
01:03:47,039 --> 01:03:49,760
why you know we you go back 20 years and

944
01:03:49,760 --> 01:03:52,160
80% of our generation comes from coal

945
01:03:52,160 --> 01:03:54,640
power. So to think about a wholesale

946
01:03:54,640 --> 01:03:56,880
change where that goes to zero is

947
01:03:56,880 --> 01:04:01,440
seemingly fantasy. um even 2015 when

948
01:04:01,440 --> 01:04:03,760
those uh large changes under that the

949
01:04:03,760 --> 01:04:05,599
then NDP government came in under the

950
01:04:05,599 --> 01:04:08,079
climate leadership plan to talk about

951
01:04:08,079 --> 01:04:10,559
going to zero by 2030 was viewed as

952
01:04:10,559 --> 01:04:12,720
fantasy when you had 50% of the

953
01:04:12,720 --> 01:04:15,359
generation coming from coal and you see

954
01:04:15,359 --> 01:04:18,160
just how quickly that fell off. Okay.

955
01:04:18,160 --> 01:04:20,160
And it was in early 2024 that we

956
01:04:20,160 --> 01:04:24,160
shuttered our last generation from coal.

957
01:04:24,160 --> 01:04:26,079
So what what happened to do that? kind

958
01:04:26,079 --> 01:04:28,319
of talked through a few things, but

959
01:04:28,319 --> 01:04:30,160
there was a coal phase out on the books.

960
01:04:30,160 --> 01:04:31,839
There was a policy to phase out coal by

961
01:04:31,839 --> 01:04:34,480
2030. That became redundant. That wasn't

962
01:04:34,480 --> 01:04:36,559
binding. Really, the the biggest

963
01:04:36,559 --> 01:04:38,960
influence on driving out coal was

964
01:04:38,960 --> 01:04:41,200
changes to how the carbon price was set

965
01:04:41,200 --> 01:04:43,760
for large emitters. So, not the the

966
01:04:43,760 --> 01:04:45,599
carbon tax that gets all the attention

967
01:04:45,599 --> 01:04:47,280
that is no longer here in the province

968
01:04:47,280 --> 01:04:49,359
nor the country, but the large emitter

969
01:04:49,359 --> 01:04:51,599
carbon price. The changes that occurred

970
01:04:51,599 --> 01:04:53,680
there are really what drove off coal

971
01:04:53,680 --> 01:04:55,680
made it uneconomic relative to anything

972
01:04:55,680 --> 01:04:59,599
else. Uh cheap gas got cheaper and

973
01:04:59,599 --> 01:05:01,440
renewables got cheaper. We'll go into

974
01:05:01,440 --> 01:05:03,680
that. And the renewables program which

975
01:05:03,680 --> 01:05:05,839
was contracts from the government to

976
01:05:05,839 --> 01:05:08,240
derisk them as well. Couple that with

977
01:05:08,240 --> 01:05:10,640
falling costs of renewables made those

978
01:05:10,640 --> 01:05:14,789
even more competitive.

979
01:05:14,799 --> 01:05:16,559
Here's something on the on the carbon

980
01:05:16,559 --> 01:05:19,119
cost. Okay, these numbers here are in

981
01:05:19,119 --> 01:05:21,200
dollars per megawatt hour. If you want

982
01:05:21,200 --> 01:05:23,039
to convert to cents per kilowatt hour

983
01:05:23,039 --> 01:05:24,640
that we're more familiar with, just move

984
01:05:24,640 --> 01:05:26,880
the decimal one to the left and it's the

985
01:05:26,880 --> 01:05:30,319
same thing. So those $18.990 ledge

986
01:05:30,319 --> 01:05:33,599
$18.90 is 1.89

987
01:05:33,599 --> 01:05:36,000
uh cents per kilowatt hour. What we have

988
01:05:36,000 --> 01:05:39,520
here is the is the carbon cost for a

989
01:05:39,520 --> 01:05:43,520
coal generator in Alberta. So in 2007,

990
01:05:43,520 --> 01:05:45,680
Alberta put in the specified gas

991
01:05:45,680 --> 01:05:47,599
emitters regulation. We're actually the

992
01:05:47,599 --> 01:05:50,799
first jurisdiction in Canada to put in a

993
01:05:50,799 --> 01:05:53,920
a carbon tax even before BC. And this

994
01:05:53,920 --> 01:05:56,000
applied to large emitters in the

995
01:05:56,000 --> 01:05:58,640
province, but it was set in such a way,

996
01:05:58,640 --> 01:06:01,359
even though it was $15 a ton, it was

997
01:06:01,359 --> 01:06:03,839
only set relative to a benchmark on your

998
01:06:03,839 --> 01:06:06,079
specific facility.

999
01:06:06,079 --> 01:06:07,920
So what that means in practice is if

1000
01:06:07,920 --> 01:06:11,760
you're quite a mission intensive quote

1001
01:06:11,760 --> 01:06:13,920
unquote dirty facility, you actually

1002
01:06:13,920 --> 01:06:16,400
have quite a high benchmark. So the cost

1003
01:06:16,400 --> 01:06:18,480
to you wouldn't actually be that great.

1004
01:06:18,480 --> 01:06:20,960
Okay. So if you're emitting here, um the

1005
01:06:20,960 --> 01:06:23,520
benchmark would be set at say 88% of

1006
01:06:23,520 --> 01:06:25,599
that. It's really that 12% differential

1007
01:06:25,599 --> 01:06:28,160
that you're exposed to. And so for a

1008
01:06:28,160 --> 01:06:30,559
coal plant, that meant about a $180 per

1009
01:06:30,559 --> 01:06:33,200
megawatt hour was the cost. Put that

1010
01:06:33,200 --> 01:06:35,599
against an average power price of around

1011
01:06:35,599 --> 01:06:38,480
$60 per megawatt hour or 6 cents in the

1012
01:06:38,480 --> 01:06:39,680
province, which is the long-term

1013
01:06:39,680 --> 01:06:41,440
average. This is not a really

1014
01:06:41,440 --> 01:06:44,640
significant cost. Okay. So it it added

1015
01:06:44,640 --> 01:06:47,039
up. It was a cost they incurred, but it

1016
01:06:47,039 --> 01:06:48,559
really didn't change the needle on

1017
01:06:48,559 --> 01:06:52,480
shifting uh generation to other sources.

1018
01:06:52,480 --> 01:06:55,680
In 2015, a few changes were made. First,

1019
01:06:55,680 --> 01:06:57,839
they started increasing that carbon

1020
01:06:57,839 --> 01:07:00,480
price. So, from $15 a ton, moving it up

1021
01:07:00,480 --> 01:07:03,599
to $30 per ton. They also, most

1022
01:07:03,599 --> 01:07:05,039
importantly, started moving that

1023
01:07:05,039 --> 01:07:08,400
benchmark. So, rather than 88% of your

1024
01:07:08,400 --> 01:07:10,319
emissions protected, they dropped it to

1025
01:07:10,319 --> 01:07:13,039
80. But then the big change occurred in

1026
01:07:13,039 --> 01:07:16,160
2018 and the UCP government actually

1027
01:07:16,160 --> 01:07:18,079
continued with this new policy. This was

1028
01:07:18,079 --> 01:07:20,240
one of the ones they carried on uh one

1029
01:07:20,240 --> 01:07:23,839
of the few maybe they carried on um was

1030
01:07:23,839 --> 01:07:26,319
to change the benchmark not to be based

1031
01:07:26,319 --> 01:07:29,760
on your facility but sectorwide. So the

1032
01:07:29,760 --> 01:07:31,440
benchmark would be roughly what a

1033
01:07:31,440 --> 01:07:33,599
combined cycle natural gas plant would

1034
01:07:33,599 --> 01:07:36,720
be. And what that means in practice is a

1035
01:07:36,720 --> 01:07:38,559
combined cycle natural gas plant would

1036
01:07:38,559 --> 01:07:41,760
pay zero carbon cost. Okay, zero carbon

1037
01:07:41,760 --> 01:07:44,319
tax. A coal plant would pay on the

1038
01:07:44,319 --> 01:07:46,160
difference between its emissions and

1039
01:07:46,160 --> 01:07:48,319
that natural gas plant which is about

1040
01:07:48,319 --> 01:07:51,680
60% greater. And then something clean or

1041
01:07:51,680 --> 01:07:54,559
something non-emitting like hydro, wind,

1042
01:07:54,559 --> 01:07:57,520
solar, nuclear if we had it, collects

1043
01:07:57,520 --> 01:08:00,240
the difference. Okay, so it's really

1044
01:08:00,240 --> 01:08:01,680
rather than setting the benchmark at

1045
01:08:01,680 --> 01:08:03,200
zero and charging everybody for

1046
01:08:03,200 --> 01:08:05,359
emissions, they set the benchmark at

1047
01:08:05,359 --> 01:08:07,440
something moderately emitting, charge

1048
01:08:07,440 --> 01:08:10,400
above and collect below.

1049
01:08:10,400 --> 01:08:12,319
Coal being well above that benchmark,

1050
01:08:12,319 --> 01:08:13,839
you can see what happened to their cost.

1051
01:08:13,839 --> 01:08:16,719
So by 2022, when I stopped making this

1052
01:08:16,719 --> 01:08:20,799
chart, uh it was at $31 a megawatt hour.

1053
01:08:20,799 --> 01:08:23,279
It's roughly half the power cost. So it

1054
01:08:23,279 --> 01:08:26,159
becomes very quickly economic to switch

1055
01:08:26,159 --> 01:08:28,960
that to natural gas and avoid that $30

1056
01:08:28,960 --> 01:08:30,000
cost. Jerry

1057
01:08:30,000 --> 01:08:32,789
>> Celto, you have a question.

1058
01:08:32,789 --> 01:08:32,799
» Celto, you have a question.

1059
01:08:32,799 --> 01:08:34,950
>> Yes, I do. Thank you very much for the

1060
01:08:34,950 --> 01:08:34,960
» Yes, I do. Thank you very much for the

1061
01:08:34,960 --> 01:08:41,759
information. So the coal cup okay the

1062
01:08:41,759 --> 01:08:45,920
emissions from coal uh that money was

1063
01:08:45,920 --> 01:08:48,960
paid to who?

1064
01:08:48,960 --> 01:08:51,829
>> So the way that works is

1065
01:08:51,829 --> 01:08:51,839
» So the way that works is

1066
01:08:51,839 --> 01:08:55,120
uh they have to go and either pay at the

1067
01:08:55,120 --> 01:08:56,719
till they go go to the government and

1068
01:08:56,719 --> 01:08:59,199
pay or they have to buy emissions

1069
01:08:59,199 --> 01:09:01,040
performance credits from anything that's

1070
01:09:01,040 --> 01:09:03,600
below the benchmark. That could be from

1071
01:09:03,600 --> 01:09:05,440
something in the power sector that's

1072
01:09:05,440 --> 01:09:07,520
emitting less. It could be from oil

1073
01:09:07,520 --> 01:09:09,199
sands companies that are below their

1074
01:09:09,199 --> 01:09:10,080
benchmarks.

1075
01:09:10,080 --> 01:09:11,749
>> Okay. So, what I'm getting at here is

1076
01:09:11,749 --> 01:09:11,759
» Okay. So, what I'm getting at here is

1077
01:09:11,759 --> 01:09:14,400
who paid was the consumer.

1078
01:09:14,400 --> 01:09:17,110
>> In the end, the consumer paid it.

1079
01:09:17,110 --> 01:09:17,120
» In the end, the consumer paid it.

1080
01:09:17,120 --> 01:09:19,189
>> Not necessarily. So, this that's a great

1081
01:09:19,189 --> 01:09:19,199
» Not necessarily. So, this that's a great

1082
01:09:19,199 --> 01:09:21,279
question. So, the reason for setting the

1083
01:09:21,279 --> 01:09:23,520
benchmark at the level of natural gas is

1084
01:09:23,520 --> 01:09:26,319
the way power prices are set uh at a

1085
01:09:26,319 --> 01:09:28,000
wholesale level in Alberta. It's going

1086
01:09:28,000 --> 01:09:29,920
to be rather complex. uh at a wholesale

1087
01:09:29,920 --> 01:09:32,400
level is set based on the last generator

1088
01:09:32,400 --> 01:09:35,679
that's needed to produce the level of

1089
01:09:35,679 --> 01:09:37,279
power that we need in the province.

1090
01:09:37,279 --> 01:09:40,000
Typically, that's a natural gas plant.

1091
01:09:40,000 --> 01:09:42,400
And so these coal costs would happen

1092
01:09:42,400 --> 01:09:44,080
what we call inframarginally. They're

1093
01:09:44,080 --> 01:09:47,440
relatively low marginal costs. That cost

1094
01:09:47,440 --> 01:09:49,920
happened uh rises on them, but typically

1095
01:09:49,920 --> 01:09:51,679
it's a natural gas plant that's setting

1096
01:09:51,679 --> 01:09:54,480
the price in Alberta. And so the the

1097
01:09:54,480 --> 01:09:57,840
design of this structure to

1098
01:09:57,840 --> 01:10:00,159
change the baseline from zero to

1099
01:10:00,159 --> 01:10:02,000
something like natural gas means the

1100
01:10:02,000 --> 01:10:04,320
pass through to consumers

1101
01:10:04,320 --> 01:10:06,719
it was relatively small from this. I've

1102
01:10:06,719 --> 01:10:08,800
actually done a lot of I've done some um

1103
01:10:08,800 --> 01:10:10,560
peer-reviewed published work on what the

1104
01:10:10,560 --> 01:10:14,400
impact of the carbon price was. Um

1105
01:10:14,400 --> 01:10:17,280
overall less than a cent per kilowatt

1106
01:10:17,280 --> 01:10:19,280
hour was from the carbon tax. Most of

1107
01:10:19,280 --> 01:10:21,199
the increase we've seen was in changes

1108
01:10:21,199 --> 01:10:24,000
in what we call economic withholding in

1109
01:10:24,000 --> 01:10:25,920
the we can we can get into that if you'd

1110
01:10:25,920 --> 01:10:27,600
like but this is think of it as

1111
01:10:27,600 --> 01:10:30,400
exercising market power that was about

1112
01:10:30,400 --> 01:10:33,120
five cents per kilowatt hour change the

1113
01:10:33,120 --> 01:10:36,080
carbon price was about.7 cents and that

1114
01:10:36,080 --> 01:10:39,040
really is because of this um this

1115
01:10:39,040 --> 01:10:41,679
benchmark setting. So who pays it's the

1116
01:10:41,679 --> 01:10:43,199
coal companies the ones that were

1117
01:10:43,199 --> 01:10:45,600
producing that who wins it's anybody

1118
01:10:45,600 --> 01:10:48,480
below the benchmark. So, it's a transfer

1119
01:10:48,480 --> 01:10:50,320
within the sector and a little bit

1120
01:10:50,320 --> 01:10:52,239
within the province because you can use

1121
01:10:52,239 --> 01:10:55,199
these credits across sectors. And what

1122
01:10:55,199 --> 01:10:57,040
you're doing is you're you're making

1123
01:10:57,040 --> 01:10:58,880
more favorable economics for things that

1124
01:10:58,880 --> 01:11:00,719
are clean and less favorable for things

1125
01:11:00,719 --> 01:11:03,760
that are dirty, which is why we saw coal

1126
01:11:03,760 --> 01:11:06,560
exit very very quickly. Yeah, it's a

1127
01:11:06,560 --> 01:11:12,470
great question.

1128
01:11:12,480 --> 01:11:15,280
So on the that was coal on the

1129
01:11:15,280 --> 01:11:18,080
renewables and I did update this to to

1130
01:11:18,080 --> 01:11:22,000
uh yesterday uh or Friday. So here you

1131
01:11:22,000 --> 01:11:24,400
see the capacity of renewables. So this

1132
01:11:24,400 --> 01:11:26,320
isn't energy production. This is their

1133
01:11:26,320 --> 01:11:27,840
name plate capacity. And of course

1134
01:11:27,840 --> 01:11:31,199
that's very different. Um just to just

1135
01:11:31,199 --> 01:11:35,040
to be clear, solar generation on average

1136
01:11:35,040 --> 01:11:37,679
is about 20% of its capacity over the

1137
01:11:37,679 --> 01:11:41,040
year and wind is about 40 to 45%. Those

1138
01:11:41,040 --> 01:11:44,159
are rough numbers, it varies. Um but

1139
01:11:44,159 --> 01:11:46,480
this is the capacity in megawws of

1140
01:11:46,480 --> 01:11:48,320
these. And so you you see the really

1141
01:11:48,320 --> 01:11:51,920
dramatic uh rise in in both of these

1142
01:11:51,920 --> 01:11:55,120
generation sources in the province. uh

1143
01:11:55,120 --> 01:11:57,280
solar relatively non-existent other than

1144
01:11:57,280 --> 01:11:59,920
the the 15 megawatt Brooks plant for for

1145
01:11:59,920 --> 01:12:02,400
many many years. Suddenly we have this

1146
01:12:02,400 --> 01:12:04,880
large rise up to 1,800 megawatts. And

1147
01:12:04,880 --> 01:12:07,760
and for perspective, the the average

1148
01:12:07,760 --> 01:12:09,920
capacity need of the system is around

1149
01:12:09,920 --> 01:12:13,040
10,000 megawws. Okay, to give us some

1150
01:12:13,040 --> 01:12:15,760
context so you can see just how relevant

1151
01:12:15,760 --> 01:12:17,600
these are. And I'll show you some slides

1152
01:12:17,600 --> 01:12:20,400
later. Uh the province now regularly

1153
01:12:20,400 --> 01:12:24,480
gets up to half of our power supply

1154
01:12:24,480 --> 01:12:27,040
being supplied by wind and solar in some

1155
01:12:27,040 --> 01:12:30,080
hours. That varies greatly. Some hours

1156
01:12:30,080 --> 01:12:33,600
it's near zero. Uh it'll range from zero

1157
01:12:33,600 --> 01:12:36,400
to 50%. Okay? And we'll we'll we'll look

1158
01:12:36,400 --> 01:12:38,080
at that and we'll talk about what that

1159
01:12:38,080 --> 01:12:40,320
means in terms of variability. But just

1160
01:12:40,320 --> 01:12:42,400
to give you some context about just how

1161
01:12:42,400 --> 01:12:45,920
big this is, this isn't just an Alberta

1162
01:12:45,920 --> 01:12:49,760
phenomenon. Um, a really interesting

1163
01:12:49,760 --> 01:12:52,880
stat I heard recently was, you know, it

1164
01:12:52,880 --> 01:12:55,760
took decades to get our first terowatt

1165
01:12:55,760 --> 01:12:58,000
of solar capacity globally. So, a

1166
01:12:58,000 --> 01:13:00,960
terowatt being a million megawws. Uh,

1167
01:13:00,960 --> 01:13:03,040
you know, started back in say the 1970s,

1168
01:13:03,040 --> 01:13:06,400
Jimmy Carter solar panels to 2023 was

1169
01:13:06,400 --> 01:13:08,960
when we hit our first one terowatt.

1170
01:13:08,960 --> 01:13:12,159
Between 2023 and 2025, we've added

1171
01:13:12,159 --> 01:13:14,239
another terowatt.

1172
01:13:14,239 --> 01:13:17,040
Okay. So solar has now doubled in two

1173
01:13:17,040 --> 01:13:17,920
years.

1174
01:13:17,920 --> 01:13:18,630
>> That's worldwide.

1175
01:13:18,630 --> 01:13:18,640
» That's worldwide.

1176
01:13:18,640 --> 01:13:20,709
>> That's worldwide and the bulk of that is

1177
01:13:20,709 --> 01:13:20,719
» That's worldwide and the bulk of that is

1178
01:13:20,719 --> 01:13:21,679
China.

1179
01:13:21,679 --> 01:13:24,070
>> Okay. The bulk of that is China.

1180
01:13:24,070 --> 01:13:24,080
» Okay. The bulk of that is China.

1181
01:13:24,080 --> 01:13:27,110
>> Um but on that same trajectory we're now

1182
01:13:27,110 --> 01:13:27,120
» Um but on that same trajectory we're now

1183
01:13:27,120 --> 01:13:29,040
seeing in Africa. So in the last two

1184
01:13:29,040 --> 01:13:32,480
years solar capacity is soaring in in in

1185
01:13:32,480 --> 01:13:36,800
Africa as well as India. Um the US is

1186
01:13:36,800 --> 01:13:39,360
very mixed and I think you know these

1187
01:13:39,360 --> 01:13:40,640
next few years we're going to see a bit

1188
01:13:40,640 --> 01:13:42,560
of a slowdown under pressure but uh

1189
01:13:42,560 --> 01:13:44,080
Texas is actually where you're seeing

1190
01:13:44,080 --> 01:13:46,480
the most solar growth. So that same

1191
01:13:46,480 --> 01:13:48,560
growth chart that projection that

1192
01:13:48,560 --> 01:13:50,159
exponential look that like that blue

1193
01:13:50,159 --> 01:13:52,400
line up there we're seeing that in Texas

1194
01:13:52,400 --> 01:13:54,800
with solar

1195
01:13:54,800 --> 01:13:57,199
and I point that out. I point out Texas

1196
01:13:57,199 --> 01:13:59,840
to note that's not an ideological bent

1197
01:13:59,840 --> 01:14:02,960
for solar growth in Texas. It's a cost

1198
01:14:02,960 --> 01:14:05,280
story globally. how cheap these have

1199
01:14:05,280 --> 01:14:08,320
become. The two fastest growing assets

1200
01:14:08,320 --> 01:14:10,800
in the power sector globally right now

1201
01:14:10,800 --> 01:14:14,640
are solar photovoltaics and batteries

1202
01:14:14,640 --> 01:14:18,080
and batteries are now uh fast rising

1203
01:14:18,080 --> 01:14:19,920
faster although they're coming from a

1204
01:14:19,920 --> 01:14:22,560
lower standpoint than solar.

1205
01:14:22,560 --> 01:14:24,080
Uh here's that chart I mentioned. So

1206
01:14:24,080 --> 01:14:27,840
this is um uh wind, water, and solar

1207
01:14:27,840 --> 01:14:30,000
generation. So not capacity, but this is

1208
01:14:30,000 --> 01:14:32,719
generation in Alberta. The white line is

1209
01:14:32,719 --> 01:14:35,600
is the monthly averages I've produced

1210
01:14:35,600 --> 01:14:39,280
here. Um, and so you see that we're

1211
01:14:39,280 --> 01:14:42,080
getting up to around 25%

1212
01:14:42,080 --> 01:14:45,440
of Alberta's power generation

1213
01:14:45,440 --> 01:14:49,600
coming from these three sources.

1214
01:14:49,600 --> 01:14:52,000
Okay. But you can also see in that gray

1215
01:14:52,000 --> 01:14:53,679
line, I think I believe I can't remember

1216
01:14:53,679 --> 01:14:57,520
if that's daily or hourly ranges. Okay.

1217
01:14:57,520 --> 01:14:59,360
I think I think actually I used hourly

1218
01:14:59,360 --> 01:15:02,640
for this. So this is the range of hourly

1219
01:15:02,640 --> 01:15:04,560
shares of demand and you can see over

1220
01:15:04,560 --> 01:15:07,280
that period it rarely hits a full zero

1221
01:15:07,280 --> 01:15:08,719
and part of that is because you have

1222
01:15:08,719 --> 01:15:12,080
hydro in this mix. Wind and solar wind

1223
01:15:12,080 --> 01:15:15,600
and solar will get to zero. Um

1224
01:15:15,600 --> 01:15:18,159
but it gets pretty low and you can see

1225
01:15:18,159 --> 01:15:21,120
just how big that range is and that's

1226
01:15:21,120 --> 01:15:24,239
challenging for a closed relatively

1227
01:15:24,239 --> 01:15:27,120
closed system like Alberta to manage

1228
01:15:27,120 --> 01:15:29,840
those swings. Okay. when you when you

1229
01:15:29,840 --> 01:15:32,480
move up and down, you need other assets.

1230
01:15:32,480 --> 01:15:35,199
California manages most of their swings.

1231
01:15:35,199 --> 01:15:37,280
They have much larger swings. They'll

1232
01:15:37,280 --> 01:15:40,480
reach 100% of their demand served by

1233
01:15:40,480 --> 01:15:43,520
wind, water, solar, some hours. Um, they

1234
01:15:43,520 --> 01:15:46,239
manage it through transmission. They

1235
01:15:46,239 --> 01:15:47,840
have much larger transmission

1236
01:15:47,840 --> 01:15:49,520
connections to their neighbors than

1237
01:15:49,520 --> 01:15:51,840
Alberta does. Okay. I started my career

1238
01:15:51,840 --> 01:15:53,840
at BC Hydro. I'm very adept at moving

1239
01:15:53,840 --> 01:15:56,400
power between provinces. uh we have very

1240
01:15:56,400 --> 01:15:58,560
small connections relatively speaking in

1241
01:15:58,560 --> 01:16:00,239
Alberta to our neighboring provinces and

1242
01:16:00,239 --> 01:16:04,229
states.

1243
01:16:04,239 --> 01:16:06,800
So um I put this slide up because

1244
01:16:06,800 --> 01:16:09,040
everyone has uh strong opinions on

1245
01:16:09,040 --> 01:16:11,520
renewables. Um so I thought let's just

1246
01:16:11,520 --> 01:16:13,760
you know air that in the open and I'll

1247
01:16:13,760 --> 01:16:17,920
give you my take and um talk about both

1248
01:16:17,920 --> 01:16:20,080
the pros and cons.

1249
01:16:20,080 --> 01:16:22,800
So why is there a push for renewables? I

1250
01:16:22,800 --> 01:16:24,640
mean the first one is they don't emit g

1251
01:16:24,640 --> 01:16:27,040
greenhouse gases during production like

1252
01:16:27,040 --> 01:16:29,440
like any construction you you have

1253
01:16:29,440 --> 01:16:31,840
emissions when you're building something

1254
01:16:31,840 --> 01:16:34,159
that but during um during power

1255
01:16:34,159 --> 01:16:36,400
production you don't have emissions uh

1256
01:16:36,400 --> 01:16:39,120
once built their marginal cost is near

1257
01:16:39,120 --> 01:16:42,080
zero okay so that that cost of running

1258
01:16:42,080 --> 01:16:44,560
is very low and most importantly the

1259
01:16:44,560 --> 01:16:47,040
capital cost the cost to build them is

1260
01:16:47,040 --> 01:16:49,520
falling so on the right you have what's

1261
01:16:49,520 --> 01:16:51,440
called levelized cost and this is kind

1262
01:16:51,440 --> 01:16:52,960
of think of this This is the expected

1263
01:16:52,960 --> 01:16:55,760
average cost over the lifetime uh of a

1264
01:16:55,760 --> 01:16:57,520
unit. This is in dollars per megawatt

1265
01:16:57,520 --> 01:17:00,640
hour. And you see solar back there in

1266
01:17:00,640 --> 01:17:03,280
2008 2010 in the hundreds of dollars per

1267
01:17:03,280 --> 01:17:05,840
megawatt hour. This is right when I was

1268
01:17:05,840 --> 01:17:07,440
um in the middle of my trading career

1269
01:17:07,440 --> 01:17:09,440
and we had

1270
01:17:09,440 --> 01:17:12,320
deals or requests to do uh renewable

1271
01:17:12,320 --> 01:17:15,440
transactions and I'd look at them saying

1272
01:17:15,440 --> 01:17:17,520
the power production is intermittent,

1273
01:17:17,520 --> 01:17:20,400
unpredictable, it's it's low quality and

1274
01:17:20,400 --> 01:17:23,040
they're really expensive. So you better

1275
01:17:23,040 --> 01:17:24,800
really value those greenhouse gas

1276
01:17:24,800 --> 01:17:27,199
reductions to want to do renewables at

1277
01:17:27,199 --> 01:17:29,280
that stage. Okay? Okay. And that's when

1278
01:17:29,280 --> 01:17:31,360
you look back at Ontario's green

1279
01:17:31,360 --> 01:17:34,480
electricity program, which was near the

1280
01:17:34,480 --> 01:17:37,120
start of that, they were paying upwards

1281
01:17:37,120 --> 01:17:39,920
of $800 a megawatt hour for some of

1282
01:17:39,920 --> 01:17:42,320
their early subsidies. Okay? And I think

1283
01:17:42,320 --> 01:17:44,239
that legacy, not only was it costly for

1284
01:17:44,239 --> 01:17:46,560
Alberta rateayers, but it's been very

1285
01:17:46,560 --> 01:17:49,040
damaging, I would say, for the push for

1286
01:17:49,040 --> 01:17:51,600
renewables later on because many people

1287
01:17:51,600 --> 01:17:53,760
I speak to still point to that Ontario

1288
01:17:53,760 --> 01:17:55,920
experience is just how costly renewables

1289
01:17:55,920 --> 01:17:59,120
are. And it it even for someone like me

1290
01:17:59,120 --> 01:18:02,239
who's very in the weeds in this space,

1291
01:18:02,239 --> 01:18:05,440
it took me a long time to reset that to

1292
01:18:05,440 --> 01:18:08,000
update my priors to recognize that while

1293
01:18:08,000 --> 01:18:09,360
these things are still intermittent,

1294
01:18:09,360 --> 01:18:10,719
we'll go through the cons in a second.

1295
01:18:10,719 --> 01:18:12,400
They're still variable, still relatively

1296
01:18:12,400 --> 01:18:16,159
low quality power, they're cheap. They

1297
01:18:16,159 --> 01:18:18,560
are really cheap. So if you look at

1298
01:18:18,560 --> 01:18:21,360
solar and wind there, um then this is

1299
01:18:21,360 --> 01:18:23,360
just to 2020 and the decline has

1300
01:18:23,360 --> 01:18:26,080
continued. You're talking for solar

1301
01:18:26,080 --> 01:18:28,719
between 30 and $40 a megawatt hour. So

1302
01:18:28,719 --> 01:18:31,360
three to four cents per kilowatt hour.

1303
01:18:31,360 --> 01:18:35,199
For wind you're getting into the mid20s

1304
01:18:35,199 --> 01:18:37,600
per megawatt hour.

1305
01:18:37,600 --> 01:18:39,120
That's the cheapest source of energy

1306
01:18:39,120 --> 01:18:43,040
there is. Okay. So for perspective,

1307
01:18:43,040 --> 01:18:45,520
um a natural gas plant, they're

1308
01:18:45,520 --> 01:18:46,960
relatively cheap here in Alberta because

1309
01:18:46,960 --> 01:18:48,560
our natural gas is some of the cheapest

1310
01:18:48,560 --> 01:18:51,280
in the world. Um, but for natural gas,

1311
01:18:51,280 --> 01:18:53,840
you're talking around $50 to $80 would

1312
01:18:53,840 --> 01:18:55,600
be a rough average cost. What we call

1313
01:18:55,600 --> 01:18:59,120
levelized cost. For a nuclear plant,

1314
01:18:59,120 --> 01:19:01,199
there's not as much data on those, but

1315
01:19:01,199 --> 01:19:03,040
expectations in is in the realm

1316
01:19:03,040 --> 01:19:05,440
optimistic in the high 90s, but

1317
01:19:05,440 --> 01:19:08,239
realistically probably about $110 to

1318
01:19:08,239 --> 01:19:11,120
$140 per megawatt hour. Hydro similarly

1319
01:19:11,120 --> 01:19:14,080
for large hydro. Okay. So, you can see

1320
01:19:14,080 --> 01:19:16,320
why the attraction to this cheap source

1321
01:19:16,320 --> 01:19:18,480
of energy. We'll go through the cons and

1322
01:19:18,480 --> 01:19:20,560
that sort of raises the how can we

1323
01:19:20,560 --> 01:19:22,239
combine that cheap source of energy with

1324
01:19:22,239 --> 01:19:24,320
other parts of our portfolio to make it

1325
01:19:24,320 --> 01:19:26,800
worth our while.

1326
01:19:26,800 --> 01:19:28,070
>> Kab you have a question.

1327
01:19:28,070 --> 01:19:28,080
» Kab you have a question.

1328
01:19:28,080 --> 01:19:28,709
>> Oh yeah.

1329
01:19:28,709 --> 01:19:28,719
» Oh yeah.

1330
01:19:28,719 --> 01:19:30,630
>> Yeah. Thank you. So when we talk about

1331
01:19:30,630 --> 01:19:30,640
» Yeah. Thank you. So when we talk about

1332
01:19:30,640 --> 01:19:32,400
the cheap source of energy like I guess

1333
01:19:32,400 --> 01:19:34,560
when we talk about that are we um

1334
01:19:34,560 --> 01:19:36,080
factoring in like the government's

1335
01:19:36,080 --> 01:19:38,560
involvement in that like because for

1336
01:19:38,560 --> 01:19:41,280
example we had a project here in county

1337
01:19:41,280 --> 01:19:43,760
that received $32 million in federal

1338
01:19:43,760 --> 01:19:44,880
funding. Mhm.

1339
01:19:44,880 --> 01:19:47,750
>> Um, so it might appear cheap, but it's

1340
01:19:47,750 --> 01:19:47,760
» Um, so it might appear cheap, but it's

1341
01:19:47,760 --> 01:19:49,920
still like there's there was a cost to

1342
01:19:49,920 --> 01:19:51,280
it. So is that is that

1343
01:19:51,280 --> 01:19:53,030
>> these are these are unsubsidized

1344
01:19:53,030 --> 01:19:53,040
» these are these are unsubsidized

1345
01:19:53,040 --> 01:19:54,000
numbers.

1346
01:19:54,000 --> 01:19:57,590
>> And and absolutely I I I advise even the

1347
01:19:57,590 --> 01:19:57,600
» And and absolutely I I I advise even the

1348
01:19:57,600 --> 01:19:58,880
federal government and that's one of the

1349
01:19:58,880 --> 01:20:00,159
things I remember speaking with Mr.

1350
01:20:00,159 --> 01:20:02,239
Minister Wilkinson on is like stop

1351
01:20:02,239 --> 01:20:04,800
subsidizing these. They don't need it.

1352
01:20:04,800 --> 01:20:06,800
And and I think because of the pace at

1353
01:20:06,800 --> 01:20:08,880
which this was changing, they did need

1354
01:20:08,880 --> 01:20:11,360
subsidies for a while if the carbon co

1355
01:20:11,360 --> 01:20:13,760
carbon tax wasn't covering this uh or

1356
01:20:13,760 --> 01:20:15,360
there was just simply a bridge. We want

1357
01:20:15,360 --> 01:20:16,880
these things. We want the future

1358
01:20:16,880 --> 01:20:18,560
greenhouse gas reductions, but there's a

1359
01:20:18,560 --> 01:20:20,880
slight cost disadvantage. Subsidies are

1360
01:20:20,880 --> 01:20:23,440
one way to push it over. But we're to

1361
01:20:23,440 --> 01:20:24,480
the point where they're no longer

1362
01:20:24,480 --> 01:20:25,120
needed.

1363
01:20:25,120 --> 01:20:27,430
>> Okay. So these numbers are without

1364
01:20:27,430 --> 01:20:27,440
» Okay. So these numbers are without

1365
01:20:27,440 --> 01:20:28,239
subsidies.

1366
01:20:28,239 --> 01:20:28,950
>> Correct. Okay.

1367
01:20:28,950 --> 01:20:28,960
» Correct. Okay.

1368
01:20:28,960 --> 01:20:30,790
>> Yeah. This these numbers are from the

1369
01:20:30,790 --> 01:20:30,800
» Yeah. This these numbers are from the

1370
01:20:30,800 --> 01:20:33,199
the Lazard report which is sort of the

1371
01:20:33,199 --> 01:20:36,480
gold standard globally for um levelized

1372
01:20:36,480 --> 01:20:39,760
costs. And this is from their their 14th

1373
01:20:39,760 --> 01:20:41,440
report. I think they're on number 16 or

1374
01:20:41,440 --> 01:20:44,800
17 now. I can point this out to Mike and

1375
01:20:44,800 --> 01:20:47,360
find the exact thing.

1376
01:20:47,360 --> 01:20:48,550
>> Councelor Penner.

1377
01:20:48,550 --> 01:20:48,560
» Councelor Penner.

1378
01:20:48,560 --> 01:20:50,149
>> So just to follow up to that, what are

1379
01:20:50,149 --> 01:20:50,159
» So just to follow up to that, what are

1380
01:20:50,159 --> 01:20:51,520
you hearing from the governments? Are

1381
01:20:51,520 --> 01:20:53,360
they listening to you in regard to that?

1382
01:20:53,360 --> 01:20:54,880
Because at the end of the day, it's our

1383
01:20:54,880 --> 01:20:56,640
money. It's the rateayers money. You

1384
01:20:56,640 --> 01:20:58,159
know what I mean? So yeah,

1385
01:20:58,159 --> 01:21:01,110
>> um is this something as a mun we we need

1386
01:21:01,110 --> 01:21:01,120
» um is this something as a mun we we need

1387
01:21:01,120 --> 01:21:02,880
to be advocating for enough's enough

1388
01:21:02,880 --> 01:21:05,360
here? Um but these subsidies I know it's

1389
01:21:05,360 --> 01:21:07,360
federally mostly but I mean

1390
01:21:07,360 --> 01:21:10,870
>> so are they listening?

1391
01:21:10,880 --> 01:21:13,679
» I'd love to say yes councelor Penner but

1392
01:21:13,679 --> 01:21:15,199
um

1393
01:21:15,199 --> 01:21:18,070
>> it's hard sometimes. So this is a this

1394
01:21:18,070 --> 01:21:18,080
» it's hard sometimes. So this is a this

1395
01:21:18,080 --> 01:21:19,760
is a tangent but the clean electricity

1396
01:21:19,760 --> 01:21:22,080
regulations is a different thing alto

1397
01:21:22,080 --> 01:21:25,360
together but um that was one where I was

1398
01:21:25,360 --> 01:21:28,159
quite vocal in my critiques of the clean

1399
01:21:28,159 --> 01:21:29,600
electricity regulation and I'm not

1400
01:21:29,600 --> 01:21:32,159
someone to sort of intently try to slow

1401
01:21:32,159 --> 01:21:34,719
down decarbonization. I I I believe it's

1402
01:21:34,719 --> 01:21:37,280
needed. Um but I was very critical in

1403
01:21:37,280 --> 01:21:40,000
the prescriptive nature of it and they

1404
01:21:40,000 --> 01:21:42,400
did listen to a large degree there. So

1405
01:21:42,400 --> 01:21:43,760
it it's it's probably buried in the

1406
01:21:43,760 --> 01:21:45,440
weeds, but between the first iteration

1407
01:21:45,440 --> 01:21:47,520
of the clean electricity regulations and

1408
01:21:47,520 --> 01:21:49,280
then the final proposed or the final

1409
01:21:49,280 --> 01:21:51,280
one, uh there was a dramatic change

1410
01:21:51,280 --> 01:21:53,199
there. So I do chalk that up. So I

1411
01:21:53,199 --> 01:21:56,960
myself and and another academic, we um

1412
01:21:56,960 --> 01:21:58,719
we spent a lot of time with them. We put

1413
01:21:58,719 --> 01:22:01,199
out public um consultations and and I

1414
01:22:01,199 --> 01:22:03,760
think they did change there. On the um

1415
01:22:03,760 --> 01:22:05,280
renewable subsidies, I think there has

1416
01:22:05,280 --> 01:22:07,120
been a slight shift away. The dollars

1417
01:22:07,120 --> 01:22:08,800
well 32 million in the county is is

1418
01:22:08,800 --> 01:22:11,040
large. overall they've dropped

1419
01:22:11,040 --> 01:22:14,639
dramatically and there's lots of

1420
01:22:14,639 --> 01:22:17,199
subsidies I disagree with uh from all

1421
01:22:17,199 --> 01:22:19,280
ranges of governments out there that are

1422
01:22:19,280 --> 01:22:22,000
probably unnecessary and either targeted

1423
01:22:22,000 --> 01:22:26,159
for political or local jobs. Um they are

1424
01:22:26,159 --> 01:22:28,320
slowing down on the renewables front. I

1425
01:22:28,320 --> 01:22:30,480
I would say that but they're not pulling

1426
01:22:30,480 --> 01:22:32,800
them all together.

1427
01:22:32,800 --> 01:22:34,070
>> So I just I mean a follow up to that.

1428
01:22:34,070 --> 01:22:34,080
» So I just I mean a follow up to that.

1429
01:22:34,080 --> 01:22:36,239
Are you are are the ears more open

1430
01:22:36,239 --> 01:22:38,639
proincially over federal or about the

1431
01:22:38,639 --> 01:22:40,719
same?

1432
01:22:40,719 --> 01:22:42,900
>> Um

1433
01:22:42,900 --> 01:22:42,910
» Um

1434
01:22:42,910 --> 01:22:44,159
[Laughter]

1435
01:22:44,159 --> 01:22:45,590
>> because I don't think we're we're heard

1436
01:22:45,590 --> 01:22:45,600
» because I don't think we're we're heard

1437
01:22:45,600 --> 01:22:46,800
out here in the west to be honest with

1438
01:22:46,800 --> 01:22:50,080
you from down east. So uh are federal

1439
01:22:50,080 --> 01:22:50,960
government listening?

1440
01:22:50,960 --> 01:22:53,270
>> Right. I think they are. In fact, I'm

1441
01:22:53,270 --> 01:22:53,280
» Right. I think they are. In fact, I'm

1442
01:22:53,280 --> 01:22:55,520
working on a new thing with Enerc right

1443
01:22:55,520 --> 01:22:57,520
now. They're going to provide about $8

1444
01:22:57,520 --> 01:22:59,760
million to a project I'm starting on

1445
01:22:59,760 --> 01:23:02,880
interprovincial transmission. And the

1446
01:23:02,880 --> 01:23:04,480
the thing I get from them, this

1447
01:23:04,480 --> 01:23:08,080
particular um um pocket of money is a

1448
01:23:08,080 --> 01:23:09,360
large pocket. They have several billion

1449
01:23:09,360 --> 01:23:14,480
dollars for projects. Um they they very

1450
01:23:14,480 --> 01:23:16,320
much disproportionately allocate to

1451
01:23:16,320 --> 01:23:18,320
Alberta and the West for this very

1452
01:23:18,320 --> 01:23:20,560
reason of wanting to be made sure it's

1453
01:23:20,560 --> 01:23:22,639
clear that they are supportive. That's

1454
01:23:22,639 --> 01:23:25,600
NRCAN, Natural Resources Canada. I think

1455
01:23:25,600 --> 01:23:27,520
of all of the ministries, they might be

1456
01:23:27,520 --> 01:23:30,880
a little bit more understanding or more

1457
01:23:30,880 --> 01:23:33,760
receptive to our needs. Um, speaking

1458
01:23:33,760 --> 01:23:35,440
frankly, like Environment Canada is

1459
01:23:35,440 --> 01:23:38,960
mixed. I I work with them and and um,

1460
01:23:38,960 --> 01:23:41,360
you know, sometimes I, for example, the

1461
01:23:41,360 --> 01:23:42,960
first iteration of the clean electricity

1462
01:23:42,960 --> 01:23:44,560
regulations,

1463
01:23:44,560 --> 01:23:46,800
they simply weren't plausible. They

1464
01:23:46,800 --> 01:23:49,600
simply weren't doable in many provinces

1465
01:23:49,600 --> 01:23:52,560
in in in Canada, of which Saskatchewan

1466
01:23:52,560 --> 01:23:56,880
and Alberta would be two. And they put

1467
01:23:56,880 --> 01:23:59,760
that first one out, I think, without I

1468
01:23:59,760 --> 01:24:01,280
think they maybe you could call it a

1469
01:24:01,280 --> 01:24:03,120
negotiation or political, I'm not sure,

1470
01:24:03,120 --> 01:24:04,480
but it wasn't feasible from an

1471
01:24:04,480 --> 01:24:07,600
electricity or energy standpoint.

1472
01:24:07,600 --> 01:24:09,280
But the good news is they did listen in

1473
01:24:09,280 --> 01:24:11,600
the end.

1474
01:24:11,600 --> 01:24:13,440
So here on the con side, the most

1475
01:24:13,440 --> 01:24:16,320
obvious con is production is variable. I

1476
01:24:16,320 --> 01:24:17,840
just pulled out a random day. This was

1477
01:24:17,840 --> 01:24:20,400
April 1st of this year, just to show you

1478
01:24:20,400 --> 01:24:22,239
what wind generation can look like

1479
01:24:22,239 --> 01:24:24,800
within a day. And you understand why

1480
01:24:24,800 --> 01:24:27,040
grid operators have a have a tough time

1481
01:24:27,040 --> 01:24:30,880
with this source of generation. Um,

1482
01:24:30,880 --> 01:24:32,719
you know, you're going from near zero

1483
01:24:32,719 --> 01:24:35,920
middle of the day to over 1500 megawws.

1484
01:24:35,920 --> 01:24:37,520
And again, in a system that's roughly

1485
01:24:37,520 --> 01:24:39,840
running around 10,000. And so when you

1486
01:24:39,840 --> 01:24:41,679
see that really steep line, a steep

1487
01:24:41,679 --> 01:24:44,560
curve there between 6:00 p.m. and and 7

1488
01:24:44,560 --> 01:24:46,960
p.m., you need some other source of

1489
01:24:46,960 --> 01:24:50,080
generation or transmission lines that

1490
01:24:50,080 --> 01:24:53,199
can ramp up quite quickly to to manage

1491
01:24:53,199 --> 01:24:56,400
that change. Okay? And so and so that is

1492
01:24:56,400 --> 01:24:59,600
a struggle in a small system that still

1493
01:24:59,600 --> 01:25:02,639
doesn't have much energy storage.

1494
01:25:02,639 --> 01:25:05,679
The other crit um challenge with wind

1495
01:25:05,679 --> 01:25:07,360
and solar in particular is the low

1496
01:25:07,360 --> 01:25:10,480
energy density. So large land needed per

1497
01:25:10,480 --> 01:25:12,320
megawatt. And I'm sure we'll get into

1498
01:25:12,320 --> 01:25:14,719
this. I'm not an aggrava expert,

1499
01:25:14,719 --> 01:25:16,159
although I do know University of Calgary

1500
01:25:16,159 --> 01:25:18,400
has some trial programs going on at some

1501
01:25:18,400 --> 01:25:21,679
ranches in the foothills. Um uh but this

1502
01:25:21,679 --> 01:25:24,000
is this is a challenge that the land

1503
01:25:24,000 --> 01:25:27,920
mass needed for um especially more so

1504
01:25:27,920 --> 01:25:30,320
solar, you know, uh because it does take

1505
01:25:30,320 --> 01:25:32,639
up more of a footprint and the capacity

1506
01:25:32,639 --> 01:25:34,960
factors are relatively low. So that's

1507
01:25:34,960 --> 01:25:37,120
something to consider. And the third and

1508
01:25:37,120 --> 01:25:39,120
this is getting into the electrical

1509
01:25:39,120 --> 01:25:40,719
engineers in the room will appreciate

1510
01:25:40,719 --> 01:25:43,120
this but um there's certain features of

1511
01:25:43,120 --> 01:25:44,800
power plants that are needed to make the

1512
01:25:44,800 --> 01:25:48,719
grid stable. And so one is when you have

1513
01:25:48,719 --> 01:25:51,600
hydro turbines or natural gas or coal

1514
01:25:51,600 --> 01:25:54,320
generators really when I teach

1515
01:25:54,320 --> 01:25:56,159
electricity markets to my students

1516
01:25:56,159 --> 01:25:58,400
pretty much everything uh except for

1517
01:25:58,400 --> 01:26:00,880
solar is about spinning something.

1518
01:26:00,880 --> 01:26:03,440
you're spinning a magnetic coil, you

1519
01:26:03,440 --> 01:26:05,199
know, around a current and that and

1520
01:26:05,199 --> 01:26:07,280
that's creating the current, sorry. Um,

1521
01:26:07,280 --> 01:26:10,080
and that spinning mass also has inertia.

1522
01:26:10,080 --> 01:26:12,400
And so when we have deviations on the

1523
01:26:12,400 --> 01:26:14,080
system, when we when we plug in a

1524
01:26:14,080 --> 01:26:16,400
toaster or boil some water here, we're

1525
01:26:16,400 --> 01:26:18,400
not turning a power plant up and down.

1526
01:26:18,400 --> 01:26:20,560
We're leaning on that inertia of the

1527
01:26:20,560 --> 01:26:23,600
system and we're adjusting the frequency

1528
01:26:23,600 --> 01:26:25,520
of electricity. So electricity

1529
01:26:25,520 --> 01:26:28,320
oscillates at a 60 Hz frequency. We're

1530
01:26:28,320 --> 01:26:31,679
adjusting that very small amounts 59.99

1531
01:26:31,679 --> 01:26:33,600
if we have an extra pull. So it slows

1532
01:26:33,600 --> 01:26:36,960
down the system. If we turn off demand,

1533
01:26:36,960 --> 01:26:39,280
the the system speeds up a little bit.

1534
01:26:39,280 --> 01:26:41,199
We have to keep that within really tight

1535
01:26:41,199 --> 01:26:43,440
ranges. Okay, we're getting really into

1536
01:26:43,440 --> 01:26:45,920
the weeds, but wind and solar don't have

1537
01:26:45,920 --> 01:26:49,280
that. I know wind is spinning, um, but

1538
01:26:49,280 --> 01:26:51,520
that's happening behind an inverter, so

1539
01:26:51,520 --> 01:26:54,239
the system itself doesn't see that.

1540
01:26:54,239 --> 01:26:56,719
Okay. And so that was something that's

1541
01:26:56,719 --> 01:26:58,719
what really caught our grid operator

1542
01:26:58,719 --> 01:27:01,920
offguard about a year and a half ago

1543
01:27:01,920 --> 01:27:03,360
when they started to recognize we have

1544
01:27:03,360 --> 01:27:05,120
all these renewables. They're not

1545
01:27:05,120 --> 01:27:07,920
providing those two things, inertia and

1546
01:27:07,920 --> 01:27:10,800
frequency regulation to our system and

1547
01:27:10,800 --> 01:27:14,239
we need those. Historically

1548
01:27:14,239 --> 01:27:16,719
they got those for free from thermal

1549
01:27:16,719 --> 01:27:18,239
generators. They didn't charge they

1550
01:27:18,239 --> 01:27:19,760
didn't there was no product. They didn't

1551
01:27:19,760 --> 01:27:22,159
make them pay um they didn't pay for it.

1552
01:27:22,159 --> 01:27:24,639
They simply made a technical order that

1553
01:27:24,639 --> 01:27:26,960
these generators had to leave a tiny bit

1554
01:27:26,960 --> 01:27:30,159
of headroom for this inertia and

1555
01:27:30,159 --> 01:27:31,520
frequency regulation. I'm

1556
01:27:31,520 --> 01:27:33,199
oversimplifying but I think you get the

1557
01:27:33,199 --> 01:27:35,199
picture.

1558
01:27:35,199 --> 01:27:37,440
So when we move to something that has

1559
01:27:37,440 --> 01:27:39,679
more of these what we call inverterbased

1560
01:27:39,679 --> 01:27:42,320
resources, so wind and solar that come

1561
01:27:42,320 --> 01:27:43,760
as direct current and they get

1562
01:27:43,760 --> 01:27:45,360
transferred to alternating current on

1563
01:27:45,360 --> 01:27:48,400
the system. We didn't have that and so

1564
01:27:48,400 --> 01:27:50,960
as a result they had to really quickly

1565
01:27:50,960 --> 01:27:52,880
put in that was one of the reasons for

1566
01:27:52,880 --> 01:27:55,120
the moratorum stated reasons we need to

1567
01:27:55,120 --> 01:27:56,480
slow down renewables because we don't

1568
01:27:56,480 --> 01:27:58,880
have this. The grid operator also

1569
01:27:58,880 --> 01:28:02,080
curtailed the um amount of uh

1570
01:28:02,080 --> 01:28:04,960
electricity transfer on the interies so

1571
01:28:04,960 --> 01:28:07,120
that they could use the interties more

1572
01:28:07,120 --> 01:28:09,280
for leverage. Okay. And also so they

1573
01:28:09,280 --> 01:28:10,960
wouldn't have as much flowing on the

1574
01:28:10,960 --> 01:28:13,679
interties if we had a problem here. And

1575
01:28:13,679 --> 01:28:16,239
it really caught them off guard. Okay.

1576
01:28:16,239 --> 01:28:18,159
And I want to I want to suggest that

1577
01:28:18,159 --> 01:28:22,560
this is sort of both a real issue, but

1578
01:28:22,560 --> 01:28:25,199
one that just a little bit of planning

1579
01:28:25,199 --> 01:28:27,520
and foresight and management can deal

1580
01:28:27,520 --> 01:28:30,719
with. Texas, for example, recognized the

1581
01:28:30,719 --> 01:28:32,800
issue of lack of inertia with growing

1582
01:28:32,800 --> 01:28:35,679
inverter-based resources about 10 years

1583
01:28:35,679 --> 01:28:38,400
ago. And what they started to demand is

1584
01:28:38,400 --> 01:28:41,280
that all inverterbased resources are

1585
01:28:41,280 --> 01:28:43,760
what's called grid forming rather than

1586
01:28:43,760 --> 01:28:46,320
grid following. So grid following simply

1587
01:28:46,320 --> 01:28:48,800
means if the frequency is is deviating,

1588
01:28:48,800 --> 01:28:50,480
you're following that new frequency. So

1589
01:28:50,480 --> 01:28:51,920
you can actually make you're propagating

1590
01:28:51,920 --> 01:28:54,639
things, making it worse. Grid forming,

1591
01:28:54,639 --> 01:28:57,199
you're dictating the frequency at which

1592
01:28:57,199 --> 01:28:58,880
your generation is coming onto the

1593
01:28:58,880 --> 01:29:01,280
system. So you can actually help if the

1594
01:29:01,280 --> 01:29:03,520
frequency is dropping, you can say, I'm

1595
01:29:03,520 --> 01:29:06,320
actually 60.01 01 hertz and you raise

1596
01:29:06,320 --> 01:29:09,520
it. Okay, that little change which has a

1597
01:29:09,520 --> 01:29:12,400
cost and that cost would be borne by the

1598
01:29:12,400 --> 01:29:14,480
inverter based resources like wind and

1599
01:29:14,480 --> 01:29:17,840
solar was part of a regulation in Texas

1600
01:29:17,840 --> 01:29:19,600
10 years ago when they saw this coming.

1601
01:29:19,600 --> 01:29:22,000
We were late on that and I think a big

1602
01:29:22,000 --> 01:29:25,600
part of that was the grid operator

1603
01:29:25,600 --> 01:29:27,520
really didn't foresee the growth of wind

1604
01:29:27,520 --> 01:29:30,000
and solar that I would argue was very

1605
01:29:30,000 --> 01:29:31,600
obvious and I got a lot of friends there

1606
01:29:31,600 --> 01:29:32,960
at the grid operator and they're a bit

1607
01:29:32,960 --> 01:29:34,400
mad at me because I made a lot of public

1608
01:29:34,400 --> 01:29:37,199
statements in 2021 saying these

1609
01:29:37,199 --> 01:29:39,600
long-term forecasts are farcical because

1610
01:29:39,600 --> 01:29:42,000
they were forecasting the level of solar

1611
01:29:42,000 --> 01:29:44,800
that we ended up having in 2023 that we

1612
01:29:44,800 --> 01:29:48,080
wouldn't reach it until 2041.

1613
01:29:48,080 --> 01:29:49,760
And so it really caught them off guard

1614
01:29:49,760 --> 01:29:51,760
because they didn't expect to have this.

1615
01:29:51,760 --> 01:29:54,000
And I think all you had to do was look

1616
01:29:54,000 --> 01:29:56,080
outside our jurisdiction to see just how

1617
01:29:56,080 --> 01:29:58,000
much it was growing and how quickly

1618
01:29:58,000 --> 01:30:00,320
those capital costs were falling to know

1619
01:30:00,320 --> 01:30:03,040
that it was going to come. As a result,

1620
01:30:03,040 --> 01:30:04,239
they were caught off guard. So what are

1621
01:30:04,239 --> 01:30:06,239
they doing? They're going out there and

1622
01:30:06,239 --> 01:30:07,760
they're procuring things that can

1623
01:30:07,760 --> 01:30:10,000
provide frequency regulation. There's

1624
01:30:10,000 --> 01:30:12,159
contracts in place. Largely those are

1625
01:30:12,159 --> 01:30:14,719
batteries. So for Texas's whole system

1626
01:30:14,719 --> 01:30:16,639
in addition to inverter based resources

1627
01:30:16,639 --> 01:30:19,120
they just needed to procure 500 megawws

1628
01:30:19,120 --> 01:30:21,679
of batteries to manage all the frequency

1629
01:30:21,679 --> 01:30:23,520
regulation from this problem. That's

1630
01:30:23,520 --> 01:30:26,080
tiny cost okay and that's their size of

1631
01:30:26,080 --> 01:30:28,880
their systems about seven times ours. So

1632
01:30:28,880 --> 01:30:30,800
there are solutions is my whole point to

1633
01:30:30,800 --> 01:30:32,960
that that rant.

1634
01:30:32,960 --> 01:30:35,120
So so here's the reality. I'm happy to

1635
01:30:35,120 --> 01:30:38,000
have some discussion on this. Um, first

1636
01:30:38,000 --> 01:30:39,840
off, anyone that tells you we're going

1637
01:30:39,840 --> 01:30:41,520
to run our entire system on wind and

1638
01:30:41,520 --> 01:30:44,239
solar is is not telling the truth. Okay?

1639
01:30:44,239 --> 01:30:46,560
So, I think that extreme causes

1640
01:30:46,560 --> 01:30:49,199
problems. But people also saying that,

1641
01:30:49,199 --> 01:30:50,560
you know, because the sun doesn't shine

1642
01:30:50,560 --> 01:30:53,360
at night that uh solar has no value is

1643
01:30:53,360 --> 01:30:55,360
also incorrect.

1644
01:30:55,360 --> 01:30:57,360
Okay. What do they do? Wind and solar

1645
01:30:57,360 --> 01:30:58,960
displace

1646
01:30:58,960 --> 01:31:02,400
um costly fuel. So, you know, I think

1647
01:31:02,400 --> 01:31:04,000
you guys have solar panels on your roof

1648
01:31:04,000 --> 01:31:06,080
here. I saw when I drove in, they

1649
01:31:06,080 --> 01:31:08,159
weren't generating power last night. I'm

1650
01:31:08,159 --> 01:31:10,080
pretty confident of that. That doesn't

1651
01:31:10,080 --> 01:31:11,440
mean they're worthless. What they're

1652
01:31:11,440 --> 01:31:13,360
doing is they're displacing the need to

1653
01:31:13,360 --> 01:31:16,639
pay for fuel, operating costs, wear and

1654
01:31:16,639 --> 01:31:19,520
tear on other power plants during the

1655
01:31:19,520 --> 01:31:22,880
day. Okay. So, there is that energy

1656
01:31:22,880 --> 01:31:26,159
value there. The key thing is thinking

1657
01:31:26,159 --> 01:31:28,320
about how they work as part of a system

1658
01:31:28,320 --> 01:31:30,960
or portfolio. What are you pairing it

1659
01:31:30,960 --> 01:31:33,040
with such that the cost of that other

1660
01:31:33,040 --> 01:31:36,239
resource sitting idle more frequently

1661
01:31:36,239 --> 01:31:38,800
when you combine that that it's worth

1662
01:31:38,800 --> 01:31:42,000
your while? Okay. And that's why things

1663
01:31:42,000 --> 01:31:43,840
like batteries which are a perfect

1664
01:31:43,840 --> 01:31:45,440
compliment for intermittent renewables

1665
01:31:45,440 --> 01:31:47,600
are that fastest growing resource in the

1666
01:31:47,600 --> 01:31:51,600
power sector. Base load technology is

1667
01:31:51,600 --> 01:31:54,400
not a good compliment.

1668
01:31:54,400 --> 01:31:56,239
Okay. So we often hear this push for

1669
01:31:56,239 --> 01:31:58,159
wanting base load. If you're thinking

1670
01:31:58,159 --> 01:32:01,199
about a portfolio, base load has almost

1671
01:32:01,199 --> 01:32:03,440
just as much challenges as intermittent

1672
01:32:03,440 --> 01:32:06,159
generation in the sense that demand is

1673
01:32:06,159 --> 01:32:08,400
not base load. Okay, there's a certain

1674
01:32:08,400 --> 01:32:11,040
level that's fine. We often have systems

1675
01:32:11,040 --> 01:32:13,040
with a certain level of industrial load

1676
01:32:13,040 --> 01:32:16,159
that can pair well with 247 production,

1677
01:32:16,159 --> 01:32:18,880
but most of our demand at some level

1678
01:32:18,880 --> 01:32:21,440
goes up and down. So really the ideal

1679
01:32:21,440 --> 01:32:24,159
source is one that's flexible and what

1680
01:32:24,159 --> 01:32:27,600
we call dispatchable. So on demand

1681
01:32:27,600 --> 01:32:29,600
new technologies can resolve technical

1682
01:32:29,600 --> 01:32:32,639
challenges. Okay. So as this grows human

1683
01:32:32,639 --> 01:32:36,400
ingenuity grows with it. Um batteries,

1684
01:32:36,400 --> 01:32:39,040
grid forming inverters, flexible demand.

1685
01:32:39,040 --> 01:32:41,040
I'll talk about that. Uh the key is

1686
01:32:41,040 --> 01:32:42,560
finding the right compliments to take

1687
01:32:42,560 --> 01:32:45,280
advantage of this increasingly cheap

1688
01:32:45,280 --> 01:32:47,199
source of energy. The way I like to

1689
01:32:47,199 --> 01:32:48,719
think about renewables is they're not

1690
01:32:48,719 --> 01:32:50,719
reliable. You can't call on them when

1691
01:32:50,719 --> 01:32:52,960
you want, but they are a cheap source of

1692
01:32:52,960 --> 01:32:55,040
energy. Can we find a way to use this

1693
01:32:55,040 --> 01:32:56,639
cheap source of energy? Can we shift

1694
01:32:56,639 --> 01:32:58,560
demand to when they're there? Can we

1695
01:32:58,560 --> 01:33:00,320
shift that to supply to other periods?

1696
01:33:00,320 --> 01:33:02,480
Can we complement it with other sources

1697
01:33:02,480 --> 01:33:04,320
to give us the reliable power that we

1698
01:33:04,320 --> 01:33:07,199
want?

1699
01:33:07,199 --> 01:33:10,000
Um, I can pause there for a sec.

1700
01:33:10,000 --> 01:33:11,520
Caroline, how much time did you have

1701
01:33:11,520 --> 01:33:13,520
allocated for me today?

1702
01:33:13,520 --> 01:33:16,470
>> Oh, no.

1703
01:33:16,470 --> 01:33:16,480
» Oh, no.

1704
01:33:16,480 --> 01:33:19,830
>> I gotta get back for class after. Um if

1705
01:33:19,830 --> 01:33:19,840
» I gotta get back for class after. Um if

1706
01:33:19,840 --> 01:33:22,400
anybody's questions there I I just have

1707
01:33:22,400 --> 01:33:23,280
um

1708
01:33:23,280 --> 01:33:24,229
>> sure

1709
01:33:24,229 --> 01:33:24,239
» sure

1710
01:33:24,239 --> 01:33:25,910
>> I have some stuff on the compliments

1711
01:33:25,910 --> 01:33:25,920
» I have some stuff on the compliments

1712
01:33:25,920 --> 01:33:28,080
side of things but uh

1713
01:33:28,080 --> 01:33:28,790
>> councor folks

1714
01:33:28,790 --> 01:33:28,800
» councor folks

1715
01:33:28,800 --> 01:33:30,149
>> I mean I've had conversations with

1716
01:33:30,149 --> 01:33:30,159
» I mean I've had conversations with

1717
01:33:30,159 --> 01:33:32,239
people in the public around when energy

1718
01:33:32,239 --> 01:33:33,920
really became an issue for who we are

1719
01:33:33,920 --> 01:33:35,679
and I believe with the technologies that

1720
01:33:35,679 --> 01:33:37,520
are coming out the AIS those type of

1721
01:33:37,520 --> 01:33:39,520
things that requires more energy than

1722
01:33:39,520 --> 01:33:41,600
what was usually done before.

1723
01:33:41,600 --> 01:33:44,070
>> Yeah. And so is the cost of carbon also

1724
01:33:44,070 --> 01:33:44,080
» Yeah. And so is the cost of carbon also

1725
01:33:44,080 --> 01:33:46,480
included in the dismantling of all of

1726
01:33:46,480 --> 01:33:48,239
this equipment that is producing this

1727
01:33:48,239 --> 01:33:50,320
cheap energy when we need it to help us

1728
01:33:50,320 --> 01:33:52,400
to rely on when the grids are down and

1729
01:33:52,400 --> 01:33:55,760
not running as fast.

1730
01:33:55,760 --> 01:33:58,709
>> Um sorry I'm trying to understand your

1731
01:33:58,709 --> 01:33:58,719
» Um sorry I'm trying to understand your

1732
01:33:58,719 --> 01:34:01,040
question. Um the

1733
01:34:01,040 --> 01:34:03,189
>> well you're looking at technology. I'm

1734
01:34:03,189 --> 01:34:03,199
» well you're looking at technology. I'm

1735
01:34:03,199 --> 01:34:04,800
looking at it from a perspective of when

1736
01:34:04,800 --> 01:34:06,800
did when did electricity become such an

1737
01:34:06,800 --> 01:34:08,880
issue for everybody using it is when

1738
01:34:08,880 --> 01:34:10,719
when technologies improved to the point

1739
01:34:10,719 --> 01:34:12,719
where now everything is you've got

1740
01:34:12,719 --> 01:34:15,040
clouds you've got everything storing

1741
01:34:15,040 --> 01:34:17,360
everything that requires energy

1742
01:34:17,360 --> 01:34:19,830
>> so is the carbon also included in those

1743
01:34:19,830 --> 01:34:19,840
» so is the carbon also included in those

1744
01:34:19,840 --> 01:34:22,400
technologies when so the equipment we

1745
01:34:22,400 --> 01:34:23,920
have windmills out here once that

1746
01:34:23,920 --> 01:34:26,000
equipment is down is the carbon produced

1747
01:34:26,000 --> 01:34:27,360
where are we putting these because right

1748
01:34:27,360 --> 01:34:28,960
now currently there isn't a best

1749
01:34:28,960 --> 01:34:30,639
recycling program for any of the

1750
01:34:30,639 --> 01:34:32,800
equipment being put on At least the

1751
01:34:32,800 --> 01:34:33,760
lands in Alberta.

1752
01:34:33,760 --> 01:34:35,430
>> Sure. It's talking about reclamation

1753
01:34:35,430 --> 01:34:35,440
» Sure. It's talking about reclamation

1754
01:34:35,440 --> 01:34:36,159
costs.

1755
01:34:36,159 --> 01:34:39,430
>> So the the direct answer on carbon costs

1756
01:34:39,430 --> 01:34:39,440
» So the the direct answer on carbon costs

1757
01:34:39,440 --> 01:34:42,320
is is no. The large emitter pricing

1758
01:34:42,320 --> 01:34:44,560
system in in Alberta and the one that

1759
01:34:44,560 --> 01:34:46,080
applies federally too, but the Alberta

1760
01:34:46,080 --> 01:34:48,880
one dominates here or trumps it. Um that

1761
01:34:48,880 --> 01:34:51,600
is only on production emissions. Okay.

1762
01:34:51,600 --> 01:34:55,280
So life cycle emissions on everything um

1763
01:34:55,280 --> 01:34:57,520
are not are not part of that. It's on

1764
01:34:57,520 --> 01:35:00,239
production emissions on on reclamation.

1765
01:35:00,239 --> 01:35:02,080
That that's an important issue. I spent

1766
01:35:02,080 --> 01:35:04,880
a lot of time doing research on um oil

1767
01:35:04,880 --> 01:35:07,760
and gas reclamation liabilities which

1768
01:35:07,760 --> 01:35:12,320
you know pale and make um renewables one

1769
01:35:12,320 --> 01:35:17,440
look like an an ant on a molehill. um s

1770
01:35:17,440 --> 01:35:19,440
significantly different issue in the

1771
01:35:19,440 --> 01:35:21,840
sense of

1772
01:35:21,840 --> 01:35:23,679
on renewables. You're building these

1773
01:35:23,679 --> 01:35:25,440
typically on private land with land

1774
01:35:25,440 --> 01:35:27,840
owners and you can the land owners are

1775
01:35:27,840 --> 01:35:29,679
in full control over decisions whether

1776
01:35:29,679 --> 01:35:32,320
or not they want to require a

1777
01:35:32,320 --> 01:35:35,199
reclamation bond to to deal with that

1778
01:35:35,199 --> 01:35:38,000
aftermath. Whereas on oil and gas,

1779
01:35:38,000 --> 01:35:39,600
you're if you're the mineral rights

1780
01:35:39,600 --> 01:35:41,440
holder, you can gain access to that land

1781
01:35:41,440 --> 01:35:44,800
and you can even um compel surface

1782
01:35:44,800 --> 01:35:47,520
rights holders. The other big issue is

1783
01:35:47,520 --> 01:35:50,400
at the end of life of a wind or solar

1784
01:35:50,400 --> 01:35:52,159
project.

1785
01:35:52,159 --> 01:35:54,080
Well, you have to deal with that scrap

1786
01:35:54,080 --> 01:35:56,239
metal and everything that you have

1787
01:35:56,239 --> 01:35:58,080
there. The land's still going to have

1788
01:35:58,080 --> 01:35:59,920
value. And if it's a strong solar or

1789
01:35:59,920 --> 01:36:02,560
wind site, the earth cycles are going to

1790
01:36:02,560 --> 01:36:04,400
mean that's still a strong wind or solar

1791
01:36:04,400 --> 01:36:06,400
site. And so you're going to probably

1792
01:36:06,400 --> 01:36:08,400
most likely repurpose that with the

1793
01:36:08,400 --> 01:36:10,400
newest technology for either windmills

1794
01:36:10,400 --> 01:36:14,159
or or um solar panels. Whereas on an oil

1795
01:36:14,159 --> 01:36:15,760
gas facility, if you depleted that

1796
01:36:15,760 --> 01:36:17,920
reservoir, you've also significantly

1797
01:36:17,920 --> 01:36:20,960
depleted the land value underneath it.

1798
01:36:20,960 --> 01:36:23,120
Um, so while I don't diminish at all the

1799
01:36:23,120 --> 01:36:26,400
reclamation challenges with renewables,

1800
01:36:26,400 --> 01:36:29,520
I I do struggle with a lot of the focus

1801
01:36:29,520 --> 01:36:32,560
in this province on that when the oil

1802
01:36:32,560 --> 01:36:36,800
and gas one is hundreds of times larger

1803
01:36:36,800 --> 01:36:38,880
and has this challenge of depleted

1804
01:36:38,880 --> 01:36:42,000
economic value of the site as well.

1805
01:36:42,000 --> 01:36:44,320
Yeah. Anything else?

1806
01:36:44,320 --> 01:36:47,430
>> Councor Phobes, please. So, I appreciate

1807
01:36:47,430 --> 01:36:47,440
» Councor Phobes, please. So, I appreciate

1808
01:36:47,440 --> 01:36:49,360
that answer, but I mean, we're talking

1809
01:36:49,360 --> 01:36:51,199
about energy that we're being told is

1810
01:36:51,199 --> 01:36:53,040
green, green, green, green. But there is

1811
01:36:53,040 --> 01:36:55,600
an end of life expectation that you know

1812
01:36:55,600 --> 01:36:57,679
what, true story, oil and gas, my

1813
01:36:57,679 --> 01:36:59,199
husband works in this industry. Yes,

1814
01:36:59,199 --> 01:37:01,040
there is a lot, but the solar panels,

1815
01:37:01,040 --> 01:37:02,639
where are we putting them at the end of

1816
01:37:02,639 --> 01:37:04,480
the life? Because the landfills in

1817
01:37:04,480 --> 01:37:06,400
Torington or that we have currently in

1818
01:37:06,400 --> 01:37:08,639
Neihill County will not house those. So,

1819
01:37:08,639 --> 01:37:10,719
where will they go and how is that green

1820
01:37:10,719 --> 01:37:12,560
and where is the carbon attached to that

1821
01:37:12,560 --> 01:37:14,080
portion of it as well? We're going to

1822
01:37:14,080 --> 01:37:15,199
talk about it. Let's talk about all of

1823
01:37:15,199 --> 01:37:17,520
it. Not aortion so that we get what we

1824
01:37:17,520 --> 01:37:18,239
want.

1825
01:37:18,239 --> 01:37:21,189
>> Fair. Yeah. I don't like the term green.

1826
01:37:21,189 --> 01:37:21,199
» Fair. Yeah. I don't like the term green.

1827
01:37:21,199 --> 01:37:21,600
Okay.

1828
01:37:21,600 --> 01:37:22,709
>> Because I

1829
01:37:22,709 --> 01:37:22,719
» Because I

1830
01:37:22,719 --> 01:37:24,310
>> Yeah. Yeah. Because I think it, you

1831
01:37:24,310 --> 01:37:24,320
» Yeah. Yeah. Because I think it, you

1832
01:37:24,320 --> 01:37:27,920
know, nothing is without consequence.

1833
01:37:27,920 --> 01:37:31,669
>> Um and I think, you know, that that's

1834
01:37:31,669 --> 01:37:31,679
» Um and I think, you know, that that's

1835
01:37:31,679 --> 01:37:34,320
that's why I like life cycle analysis.

1836
01:37:34,320 --> 01:37:37,360
Um, I think if you looked at life cycle

1837
01:37:37,360 --> 01:37:39,280
analysis and took that into account

1838
01:37:39,280 --> 01:37:41,679
though, you'd still find the the carbon

1839
01:37:41,679 --> 01:37:44,400
um impact from these significantly less

1840
01:37:44,400 --> 01:37:48,080
than anything else. Um, but it is is not

1841
01:37:48,080 --> 01:37:52,870
something to dismiss. Agreed.

1842
01:37:52,880 --> 01:37:55,520
the same I you know I I do a lot of

1843
01:37:55,520 --> 01:37:57,199
research on electric vehicle impacts and

1844
01:37:57,199 --> 01:37:58,800
the same question goes in there in terms

1845
01:37:58,800 --> 01:38:00,560
of you know the emission impacts of

1846
01:38:00,560 --> 01:38:02,000
building the batteries and things like

1847
01:38:02,000 --> 01:38:04,239
this and and that's often touted as a

1848
01:38:04,239 --> 01:38:06,639
reason why electric vehicles are not uh

1849
01:38:06,639 --> 01:38:09,600
clean or green to use that word and and

1850
01:38:09,600 --> 01:38:11,199
yes you should include them but there's

1851
01:38:11,199 --> 01:38:13,119
really good rigorous work that once even

1852
01:38:13,119 --> 01:38:15,119
when you include that it's significantly

1853
01:38:15,119 --> 01:38:18,719
lower impact than than um internal

1854
01:38:18,719 --> 01:38:21,920
combustion gas or diesel fuel. So here's

1855
01:38:21,920 --> 01:38:23,600
what I wanted to talk about which is

1856
01:38:23,600 --> 01:38:26,480
what are these complements to say a

1857
01:38:26,480 --> 01:38:28,320
world with more renewables because

1858
01:38:28,320 --> 01:38:30,480
renewables are cheap. So clean is just

1859
01:38:30,480 --> 01:38:33,119
one desired attribute. Uh affordable and

1860
01:38:33,119 --> 01:38:35,360
reliable is really this this trifecta is

1861
01:38:35,360 --> 01:38:39,280
what we need on our on our system. Um we

1862
01:38:39,280 --> 01:38:42,400
do have abundant and cheap renewables

1863
01:38:42,400 --> 01:38:45,360
that gives us I'll call it clean if

1864
01:38:45,360 --> 01:38:48,239
councelor folks will allow me for now.

1865
01:38:48,239 --> 01:38:50,480
Um and and it does allow for more

1866
01:38:50,480 --> 01:38:52,320
affordable, but what are our options to

1867
01:38:52,320 --> 01:38:55,360
make that reliable and really there's

1868
01:38:55,360 --> 01:38:58,639
there's four big paths here. Um which

1869
01:38:58,639 --> 01:39:00,480
I'll go into each, but flexible supply

1870
01:39:00,480 --> 01:39:02,880
to pair it with. So supply that can fill

1871
01:39:02,880 --> 01:39:06,159
those valleys. Storage, okay, to shift

1872
01:39:06,159 --> 01:39:07,920
power from one period to another.

1873
01:39:07,920 --> 01:39:09,679
Transmission to move power from one

1874
01:39:09,679 --> 01:39:11,840
jurisdiction to another. And the flip

1875
01:39:11,840 --> 01:39:13,440
side of thinking only about the supply

1876
01:39:13,440 --> 01:39:15,199
side, which is what about moving demand

1877
01:39:15,199 --> 01:39:17,440
around, which is what we all do in our

1878
01:39:17,440 --> 01:39:19,600
daily lives. When the price of a airline

1879
01:39:19,600 --> 01:39:20,960
ticket gets really expensive, we think,

1880
01:39:20,960 --> 01:39:22,639
well, maybe I'll travel on a Thursday

1881
01:39:22,639 --> 01:39:24,800
instead of a Friday.

1882
01:39:24,800 --> 01:39:27,360
So, in the clean, firm, and flexible

1883
01:39:27,360 --> 01:39:28,960
supply. So, these things we can pair

1884
01:39:28,960 --> 01:39:30,400
with. Renewables are cheap, but they're

1885
01:39:30,400 --> 01:39:32,639
intermittent, which is not what we love.

1886
01:39:32,639 --> 01:39:34,800
So, what are the supply side firm

1887
01:39:34,800 --> 01:39:36,639
solutions? So, firm as in they're ready

1888
01:39:36,639 --> 01:39:39,360
when we need them. Uh, reservoir hydro.

1889
01:39:39,360 --> 01:39:42,000
So not run of river hydro but hydro with

1890
01:39:42,000 --> 01:39:43,520
a reservoir down behind it so we can

1891
01:39:43,520 --> 01:39:46,159
call on it at at our will. Uh nuclear

1892
01:39:46,159 --> 01:39:48,880
power hydrogen turbines. So these would

1893
01:39:48,880 --> 01:39:51,360
be taking simple cycle gas plants

1894
01:39:51,360 --> 01:39:53,040
instead of using methane run through

1895
01:39:53,040 --> 01:39:56,480
them we run hydrogen. Uh natural gas but

1896
01:39:56,480 --> 01:39:58,960
add to that some carbon capture or

1897
01:39:58,960 --> 01:40:02,080
geothermal. Okay these are sort of at a

1898
01:40:02,080 --> 01:40:03,600
high level the sort of five main

1899
01:40:03,600 --> 01:40:06,080
options. And the challenges with each of

1900
01:40:06,080 --> 01:40:08,880
these reservoir hydro, do we have any

1901
01:40:08,880 --> 01:40:10,719
availability? Are we really building any

1902
01:40:10,719 --> 01:40:14,239
new reservoir hydro? Um there's in

1903
01:40:14,239 --> 01:40:15,760
Alberta, there's always been a potential

1904
01:40:15,760 --> 01:40:17,760
project in the north east of the

1905
01:40:17,760 --> 01:40:19,600
province that really hasn't moved

1906
01:40:19,600 --> 01:40:21,280
forward and I don't know if it ever

1907
01:40:21,280 --> 01:40:23,840
will. Uh BC ran into so many challenges

1908
01:40:23,840 --> 01:40:25,360
on site C. They've announced that's

1909
01:40:25,360 --> 01:40:27,119
going to be their last large major

1910
01:40:27,119 --> 01:40:29,600
hydro. Quebec is still building large

1911
01:40:29,600 --> 01:40:33,440
hydro, but they're um um maybe the last

1912
01:40:33,440 --> 01:40:35,520
one uh remaining. So, reservoir hydro is

1913
01:40:35,520 --> 01:40:37,840
challenging. Nuclear, there's a big push

1914
01:40:37,840 --> 01:40:40,239
for nuclear. I'm I'm a proponent. I I

1915
01:40:40,239 --> 01:40:42,400
think it's it's a valuable source. It's

1916
01:40:42,400 --> 01:40:44,639
the the energy density is what excites

1917
01:40:44,639 --> 01:40:47,199
me on it. The question there in addition

1918
01:40:47,199 --> 01:40:50,400
to this, so lead time uh is one. If

1919
01:40:50,400 --> 01:40:51,760
we're talking about nuclear, we're

1920
01:40:51,760 --> 01:40:53,199
really not talking for anything in

1921
01:40:53,199 --> 01:40:55,280
production for at least 15 years

1922
01:40:55,280 --> 01:40:58,400
realistically. cost. Also, these nuclear

1923
01:40:58,400 --> 01:40:59,760
plants are going to be significantly

1924
01:40:59,760 --> 01:41:01,760
more expensive. The other challenge with

1925
01:41:01,760 --> 01:41:04,159
nuclear is flexibility. Nuclear does not

1926
01:41:04,159 --> 01:41:06,320
like being flexible. Nuclear likes

1927
01:41:06,320 --> 01:41:08,400
setting it and running it. Okay, they

1928
01:41:08,400 --> 01:41:12,159
run in a high 90% capacity factor. Um,

1929
01:41:12,159 --> 01:41:14,480
which is nice for a base, but it isn't

1930
01:41:14,480 --> 01:41:16,080
what you want to fill your system with

1931
01:41:16,080 --> 01:41:17,679
because at the end of the day, we need a

1932
01:41:17,679 --> 01:41:20,400
system that can move up and down. Okay.

1933
01:41:20,400 --> 01:41:23,040
Uh, hydrogen turbines very costly. I've

1934
01:41:23,040 --> 01:41:25,520
done a lot of work on hydrogen. Um, it's

1935
01:41:25,520 --> 01:41:27,520
exciting. It's to think about I like the

1936
01:41:27,520 --> 01:41:29,520
idea of dual fuel power plants that can

1937
01:41:29,520 --> 01:41:32,800
run either on methane or hydrogen but um

1938
01:41:32,800 --> 01:41:35,280
there's some brittleization of steel

1939
01:41:35,280 --> 01:41:37,679
associated with it and the production of

1940
01:41:37,679 --> 01:41:40,639
clean hydrogen is very expensive still

1941
01:41:40,639 --> 01:41:43,520
natural gas with carbon capture um if

1942
01:41:43,520 --> 01:41:45,040
that's going to work anywhere it's

1943
01:41:45,040 --> 01:41:47,520
Alberta where we have the caverns where

1944
01:41:47,520 --> 01:41:49,520
we have the cheap natural gas so we'll

1945
01:41:49,520 --> 01:41:51,760
see where that goes um I think it's

1946
01:41:51,760 --> 01:41:53,840
something worth considering because it

1947
01:41:53,840 --> 01:41:55,440
does allow us to continue with the

1948
01:41:55,440 --> 01:41:57,199
existing industry that we have, the

1949
01:41:57,199 --> 01:42:01,199
jobs, the society, if you will. Um, but

1950
01:42:01,199 --> 01:42:03,040
technologically it's challenging.

1951
01:42:03,040 --> 01:42:05,119
Natural gas CCS on a power plant hasn't

1952
01:42:05,119 --> 01:42:07,199
been done successfully yet. Okay?

1953
01:42:07,199 --> 01:42:09,199
Certainly not economic yet. And so,

1954
01:42:09,199 --> 01:42:13,679
while there's potential for this, um I

1955
01:42:13,679 --> 01:42:15,679
I'm I'm sort of a believer of when I

1956
01:42:15,679 --> 01:42:18,400
when I see it. That is an area where um

1957
01:42:18,400 --> 01:42:19,440
councelor Penner, you talked about

1958
01:42:19,440 --> 01:42:21,520
subsidies. that that's one where I do

1959
01:42:21,520 --> 01:42:23,199
believe in subsidies in the sense of

1960
01:42:23,199 --> 01:42:27,440
it's it's it's helping us learn and so

1961
01:42:27,440 --> 01:42:28,880
that's one of the purpose of public

1962
01:42:28,880 --> 01:42:30,880
subsidies is in areas where you want to

1963
01:42:30,880 --> 01:42:32,880
go down a learning curve where a private

1964
01:42:32,880 --> 01:42:34,400
company simply wouldn't make the

1965
01:42:34,400 --> 01:42:35,760
investment because it's not near

1966
01:42:35,760 --> 01:42:37,920
economic if they can if we can learn

1967
01:42:37,920 --> 01:42:39,760
something and that can be a spill over

1968
01:42:39,760 --> 01:42:42,000
to others to use that that's where

1969
01:42:42,000 --> 01:42:43,520
there's value so I think that's an area

1970
01:42:43,520 --> 01:42:45,520
where you are seeing subsidies and some

1971
01:42:45,520 --> 01:42:47,679
people would argue like they dislike

1972
01:42:47,679 --> 01:42:49,520
those subsidies as much as other people

1973
01:42:49,520 --> 01:42:51,760
dislike like renewable subsidies. I I

1974
01:42:51,760 --> 01:42:53,520
see the same case for early renewable

1975
01:42:53,520 --> 01:42:55,440
subsidies that helped us. That's part of

1976
01:42:55,440 --> 01:42:57,600
the reason why we've came down that that

1977
01:42:57,600 --> 01:43:00,080
cost curve. Okay, we were able to learn

1978
01:43:00,080 --> 01:43:03,440
by doing. Geothermal is is is quite

1979
01:43:03,440 --> 01:43:04,880
interesting. There's lots of different

1980
01:43:04,880 --> 01:43:06,159
technologies. There's sort of the

1981
01:43:06,159 --> 01:43:08,560
traditional go deep and hit hot rock.

1982
01:43:08,560 --> 01:43:10,320
But there's also some local companies.

1983
01:43:10,320 --> 01:43:13,119
Full disclosure, I'm I'm investor in one

1984
01:43:13,119 --> 01:43:16,000
of them, Ever Geothermal, which does

1985
01:43:16,000 --> 01:43:17,760
closed loop. So, it doesn't need hot

1986
01:43:17,760 --> 01:43:20,239
rock. it just goes and uses directional

1987
01:43:20,239 --> 01:43:22,159
drilling. So those were some folks uh

1988
01:43:22,159 --> 01:43:23,920
that I knew from Senovas that started

1989
01:43:23,920 --> 01:43:25,280
that company that said why don't we use

1990
01:43:25,280 --> 01:43:26,719
this directional drilling to do

1991
01:43:26,719 --> 01:43:28,560
something different than fracking.

1992
01:43:28,560 --> 01:43:30,159
Instead they're going and they're

1993
01:43:30,159 --> 01:43:31,520
creating effectively large heat

1994
01:43:31,520 --> 01:43:33,360
exchangers like kilometer long heat

1995
01:43:33,360 --> 01:43:35,760
exchangers and getting relatively low uh

1996
01:43:35,760 --> 01:43:38,480
heat differentials to produce either

1997
01:43:38,480 --> 01:43:41,840
low-level heat steam um uh but they're

1998
01:43:41,840 --> 01:43:43,199
using those through microurbines to

1999
01:43:43,199 --> 01:43:44,719
produce power. That's an Alberta

2000
01:43:44,719 --> 01:43:46,400
company. It's doing quite well. We just

2001
01:43:46,400 --> 01:43:47,840
installed some stuff in in the

2002
01:43:47,840 --> 01:43:50,480
Netherlands.

2003
01:43:50,480 --> 01:43:52,159
Storage directly solves the

2004
01:43:52,159 --> 01:43:54,000
intermittency challenge. Okay, you have

2005
01:43:54,000 --> 01:43:55,520
too much power at one time. It's really

2006
01:43:55,520 --> 01:43:56,800
really sunny, there's too much power in

2007
01:43:56,800 --> 01:43:59,199
the province, store that up and release

2008
01:43:59,199 --> 01:44:01,920
it or discharge it in the evening. But

2009
01:44:01,920 --> 01:44:04,080
the re that works really well on a day

2010
01:44:04,080 --> 01:44:05,920
in dayout basis. That's why you're

2011
01:44:05,920 --> 01:44:08,320
seeing so much of it in California and

2012
01:44:08,320 --> 01:44:11,840
in Texas. Um, but the real issue here in

2013
01:44:11,840 --> 01:44:15,840
Alberta is seasonal storage. Okay. I

2014
01:44:15,840 --> 01:44:17,760
told you earlier that solar capacity

2015
01:44:17,760 --> 01:44:20,239
factor is around 20%. It's kind of on

2016
01:44:20,239 --> 01:44:22,560
average for the year, but in the summer

2017
01:44:22,560 --> 01:44:25,040
it can be in the low to mid30s. That's

2018
01:44:25,040 --> 01:44:26,639
sort of an average summer and the winter

2019
01:44:26,639 --> 01:44:28,400
5 to 10%.

2020
01:44:28,400 --> 01:44:31,109
>> Okay. We need power all year round and

2021
01:44:31,109 --> 01:44:31,119
» Okay. We need power all year round and

2022
01:44:31,119 --> 01:44:32,880
some would argue more so in the winter.

2023
01:44:32,880 --> 01:44:35,440
Um and so seasonal storage is is

2024
01:44:35,440 --> 01:44:37,360
challenging. So that makes some of the

2025
01:44:37,360 --> 01:44:39,040
battery technology that we have out

2026
01:44:39,040 --> 01:44:41,840
there um that's not suited for seasonal

2027
01:44:41,840 --> 01:44:43,840
storage. Lithium ion is good for 4 to

2028
01:44:43,840 --> 01:44:46,800
eight hours. Uh pumped hydro is one that

2029
01:44:46,800 --> 01:44:49,679
has some potential. Compressed air

2030
01:44:49,679 --> 01:44:51,920
energy storage is something that there's

2031
01:44:51,920 --> 01:44:53,520
again some Alberta companies looking at

2032
01:44:53,520 --> 01:44:57,119
this that offers seasonal storage. Okay.

2033
01:44:57,119 --> 01:44:59,119
So there you're compressing air or even

2034
01:44:59,119 --> 01:45:02,960
CO2 into a cavern and you're releasing

2035
01:45:02,960 --> 01:45:05,119
that at some other time and getting that

2036
01:45:05,119 --> 01:45:07,360
discharge pressure and energy. And so

2037
01:45:07,360 --> 01:45:08,719
there's something that you can do

2038
01:45:08,719 --> 01:45:11,360
seasonal storage with. Hydrogen. There

2039
01:45:11,360 --> 01:45:12,719
was a lot of hype for hydrogen because

2040
01:45:12,719 --> 01:45:15,199
it is simply a medium. Okay, you can you

2041
01:45:15,199 --> 01:45:18,560
can use that excess power at times um to

2042
01:45:18,560 --> 01:45:20,800
electrolyze water for example and create

2043
01:45:20,800 --> 01:45:23,280
that hydrogen and use that hydrogen for

2044
01:45:23,280 --> 01:45:25,119
purposes of generating power in other

2045
01:45:25,119 --> 01:45:27,199
time periods. Okay, so there are options

2046
01:45:27,199 --> 01:45:29,440
out there. Pumped hydro is the biggest

2047
01:45:29,440 --> 01:45:30,880
source of energy storage right now

2048
01:45:30,880 --> 01:45:32,560
globally, but batteries are the ones

2049
01:45:32,560 --> 01:45:36,239
that are rising the fastest.

2050
01:45:36,239 --> 01:45:37,920
Transmission

2051
01:45:37,920 --> 01:45:39,920
um I mentioned that intercan project

2052
01:45:39,920 --> 01:45:41,440
we're working on. This to me is kind of

2053
01:45:41,440 --> 01:45:44,000
the holy grail in Canada. We have very

2054
01:45:44,000 --> 01:45:45,679
limited east west transmission

2055
01:45:45,679 --> 01:45:48,320
connections uh for good reason but

2056
01:45:48,320 --> 01:45:49,920
there's lots of reasons why that should

2057
01:45:49,920 --> 01:45:52,560
change now and and one of the reasons is

2058
01:45:52,560 --> 01:45:55,199
comp taking advantage of these very

2059
01:45:55,199 --> 01:45:57,520
different types of systems we have so

2060
01:45:57,520 --> 01:46:00,080
Saskatchewan and Alberta have this sort

2061
01:46:00,080 --> 01:46:03,040
of fossilri and a renewablesrich systems

2062
01:46:03,040 --> 01:46:08,400
very sunny um BC and Manitoba are hydror

2063
01:46:08,400 --> 01:46:10,800
sources are actually very expensive um

2064
01:46:10,800 --> 01:46:14,080
BC just had a call for for wind power.

2065
01:46:14,080 --> 01:46:16,239
They bought three gigawatts of wind

2066
01:46:16,239 --> 01:46:18,239
power uh three gawatt hours annually

2067
01:46:18,239 --> 01:46:20,800
sorry of wind power about 1500 megawatts

2068
01:46:20,800 --> 01:46:23,840
and uh they paid it's not public but it

2069
01:46:23,840 --> 01:46:25,840
it's it's expected to be in the area of

2070
01:46:25,840 --> 01:46:28,480
70 to $85 per megawatt hour was the

2071
01:46:28,480 --> 01:46:31,040
average price here in Alberta our wind

2072
01:46:31,040 --> 01:46:33,520
calls were in the high30s

2073
01:46:33,520 --> 01:46:35,679
okay so we should be building more wind

2074
01:46:35,679 --> 01:46:37,440
in Alberta

2075
01:46:37,440 --> 01:46:39,920
and more transmission with BC and

2076
01:46:39,920 --> 01:46:41,760
flowing there and then taking the hydro

2077
01:46:41,760 --> 01:46:43,440
back in this direction in periods when

2078
01:46:43,440 --> 01:46:45,199
we don't have it. Instead, we're

2079
01:46:45,199 --> 01:46:46,719
stopping building wind in our province

2080
01:46:46,719 --> 01:46:48,159
and they're building double the cost

2081
01:46:48,159 --> 01:46:51,280
wind over there. So, transmission is is

2082
01:46:51,280 --> 01:46:54,320
is um something that can take advantage

2083
01:46:54,320 --> 01:46:56,080
of that. But there are a myriad of

2084
01:46:56,080 --> 01:46:58,159
challenges let alone the challenges of

2085
01:46:58,159 --> 01:47:00,080
building linear infrastructure of any

2086
01:47:00,080 --> 01:47:02,400
type in the country as we know with with

2087
01:47:02,400 --> 01:47:05,360
land rights challenges uh for power.

2088
01:47:05,360 --> 01:47:07,600
There's differences in market structure.

2089
01:47:07,600 --> 01:47:11,119
Okay, we we are a competitive private

2090
01:47:11,119 --> 01:47:14,480
generation market here in uh Alberta and

2091
01:47:14,480 --> 01:47:16,960
they're a crown corporation monopoly uh

2092
01:47:16,960 --> 01:47:18,960
in BC, similarly Saskatchewan and

2093
01:47:18,960 --> 01:47:21,119
Manitoba. And so trading between the

2094
01:47:21,119 --> 01:47:23,360
two, while we do it, it isn't without

2095
01:47:23,360 --> 01:47:25,760
its challenges in terms of reciprocity

2096
01:47:25,760 --> 01:47:27,760
and distribution of the benefits. So

2097
01:47:27,760 --> 01:47:29,679
that's something that we are we are

2098
01:47:29,679 --> 01:47:33,840
working at um right now. The last one is

2099
01:47:33,840 --> 01:47:35,840
flexible demand. This doesn't get as

2100
01:47:35,840 --> 01:47:37,840
much attention. I love this quote I

2101
01:47:37,840 --> 01:47:39,199
found somewhere. It said, 'If the old

2102
01:47:39,199 --> 01:47:41,040
world was forecasting demand and

2103
01:47:41,040 --> 01:47:43,360
dispatching supply, the new world

2104
01:47:43,360 --> 01:47:45,199
involves forecasting supply and

2105
01:47:45,199 --> 01:47:48,159
dispatching demand. So there's more need

2106
01:47:48,159 --> 01:47:50,080
for flexibility, okay? Because we have

2107
01:47:50,080 --> 01:47:52,880
more intermittency. Uh there's bigger

2108
01:47:52,880 --> 01:47:55,040
flexible loads out there. Electric

2109
01:47:55,040 --> 01:47:57,199
vehicles are a really good case in

2110
01:47:57,199 --> 01:48:00,480
point. They're re yeah reasonably large

2111
01:48:00,480 --> 01:48:02,800
demand, but they're very flexible on

2112
01:48:02,800 --> 01:48:04,320
when they charge. And I can show you

2113
01:48:04,320 --> 01:48:05,920
some studies I've done with Foris and

2114
01:48:05,920 --> 01:48:08,480
NMAX in terms of how easy it is to shift

2115
01:48:08,480 --> 01:48:10,320
when they charge and how valuable that

2116
01:48:10,320 --> 01:48:12,320
is to the grid to get them to do it and

2117
01:48:12,320 --> 01:48:14,639
how painful it is if they don't. There's

2118
01:48:14,639 --> 01:48:17,679
also cheap control technology. Um how

2119
01:48:17,679 --> 01:48:20,000
many of you have like a Nest or an EcoB

2120
01:48:20,000 --> 01:48:22,159
or Honeywell thermostat? All of these

2121
01:48:22,159 --> 01:48:25,280
things can be moved around um without

2122
01:48:25,280 --> 01:48:27,280
the the painful effort on the part of

2123
01:48:27,280 --> 01:48:29,360
the consumer. Electric vehicles being a

2124
01:48:29,360 --> 01:48:31,360
really good example. I think one of the

2125
01:48:31,360 --> 01:48:33,360
counselors mentioned data centers.

2126
01:48:33,360 --> 01:48:36,320
That's another one where the the big um

2127
01:48:36,320 --> 01:48:38,000
to me the big push for data centers

2128
01:48:38,000 --> 01:48:39,280
while they're there going to be very big

2129
01:48:39,280 --> 01:48:40,800
loads.

2130
01:48:40,800 --> 01:48:42,639
The value from them would be can we get

2131
01:48:42,639 --> 01:48:46,080
some flexibility out of them. Okay, most

2132
01:48:46,080 --> 01:48:47,920
data centers, it's surprising me

2133
01:48:47,920 --> 01:48:49,440
training data centers, the ones that are

2134
01:48:49,440 --> 01:48:52,080
doing training of models run quite high

2135
01:48:52,080 --> 01:48:54,080
capacity factors 90% of the time, but

2136
01:48:54,080 --> 01:48:55,600
the ones for inference when you do your

2137
01:48:55,600 --> 01:48:57,840
chat GPT query, those deep data centers

2138
01:48:57,840 --> 01:49:00,639
are used about 60 to 70% of the time.

2139
01:49:00,639 --> 01:49:03,520
Can we get the flexibility to shift

2140
01:49:03,520 --> 01:49:06,080
which data centers are used when we make

2141
01:49:06,080 --> 01:49:08,560
that query? Okay. So, if Al a part of

2142
01:49:08,560 --> 01:49:11,600
Alberta is in a power crunch, your

2143
01:49:11,600 --> 01:49:13,840
question on what's the the the the best

2144
01:49:13,840 --> 01:49:15,840
temperature for a lamb roast gets sent

2145
01:49:15,840 --> 01:49:18,239
to Wyoming. Okay. And that's something

2146
01:49:18,239 --> 01:49:20,320
we had a conference a few months ago.

2147
01:49:20,320 --> 01:49:22,239
Microsoft was up. That's exactly what

2148
01:49:22,239 --> 01:49:25,199
they're working on is using basically

2149
01:49:25,199 --> 01:49:27,760
the internet to arbitrage power

2150
01:49:27,760 --> 01:49:29,679
location. So, when you have high prices

2151
01:49:29,679 --> 01:49:32,080
of power in one location, they shift

2152
01:49:32,080 --> 01:49:34,080
their inference or their queries to

2153
01:49:34,080 --> 01:49:36,719
other data centers. That's tremendously

2154
01:49:36,719 --> 01:49:39,199
valuable because power is cheap about

2155
01:49:39,199 --> 01:49:41,920
80% of the time and it's those 20% of

2156
01:49:41,920 --> 01:49:44,159
ours that get very expensive. So the

2157
01:49:44,159 --> 01:49:46,080
more flexibility we have to shift it

2158
01:49:46,080 --> 01:49:48,239
more um easier it will be to integrate

2159
01:49:48,239 --> 01:49:50,560
those large loads.

2160
01:49:50,560 --> 01:49:53,360
Just have a couple more slides. Um I'll

2161
01:49:53,360 --> 01:49:56,560
stop talking. This this is uh on demand

2162
01:49:56,560 --> 01:49:58,800
response. This was a study uh it was

2163
01:49:58,800 --> 01:50:02,080
actually in British Columbia that I did

2164
01:50:02,080 --> 01:50:05,199
which ran peak events once every roughly

2165
01:50:05,199 --> 01:50:06,960
two weeks randomly to households. We had

2166
01:50:06,960 --> 01:50:09,040
about 2,000 households in in the lower

2167
01:50:09,040 --> 01:50:10,880
mainland.

2168
01:50:10,880 --> 01:50:13,280
Um where we gave them they were paid

2169
01:50:13,280 --> 01:50:16,560
anywhere from$1 to $6 per event for

2170
01:50:16,560 --> 01:50:18,560
reducing their power consumption in

2171
01:50:18,560 --> 01:50:20,639
their home depending on how much they

2172
01:50:20,639 --> 01:50:23,520
did. Okay. uh which was a reasonable

2173
01:50:23,520 --> 01:50:25,199
reasonably large amount relative to

2174
01:50:25,199 --> 01:50:28,080
their um to their bills

2175
01:50:28,080 --> 01:50:32,159
and what we did was we provided uh some

2176
01:50:32,159 --> 01:50:35,199
of those this manual group over here we

2177
01:50:35,199 --> 01:50:37,280
simply sent them a message okay so all

2178
01:50:37,280 --> 01:50:39,520
these folks had this BC hydro app we

2179
01:50:39,520 --> 01:50:41,040
sent them a message saying you have an

2180
01:50:41,040 --> 01:50:42,480
event coming up if you reduce your

2181
01:50:42,480 --> 01:50:44,080
consumption you can earn see what they

2182
01:50:44,080 --> 01:50:46,960
did and you can see we got about a 5%

2183
01:50:46,960 --> 01:50:49,199
average reduction in consumption during

2184
01:50:49,199 --> 01:50:51,199
these peak periods from them another

2185
01:50:51,199 --> 01:50:52,880
group this tech group, we said the same,

2186
01:50:52,880 --> 01:50:54,560
but we also equipped them with load

2187
01:50:54,560 --> 01:50:55,679
controllers. So, we actually got

2188
01:50:55,679 --> 01:50:57,360
electrician go into their house, put

2189
01:50:57,360 --> 01:51:00,239
load controllers on their um on their

2190
01:51:00,239 --> 01:51:03,280
HVAC system, on their hot water tank,

2191
01:51:03,280 --> 01:51:06,080
their electric tanks over there, and uh

2192
01:51:06,080 --> 01:51:08,639
EV chargers for the ones that had them.

2193
01:51:08,639 --> 01:51:10,320
And there they would get this message

2194
01:51:10,320 --> 01:51:12,719
and they could simply push a button on

2195
01:51:12,719 --> 01:51:14,639
their phone to say, "Yep, I want to

2196
01:51:14,639 --> 01:51:16,239
reduce consumption on my controllable

2197
01:51:16,239 --> 01:51:18,080
devices right now." So, made it really

2198
01:51:18,080 --> 01:51:20,080
easy for them. But interestingly, we

2199
01:51:20,080 --> 01:51:22,159
didn't get any benefit from installing

2200
01:51:22,159 --> 01:51:25,360
that costly tech uh over the manual

2201
01:51:25,360 --> 01:51:27,040
group. Then the third one, what we

2202
01:51:27,040 --> 01:51:29,199
called central, we basically flipped the

2203
01:51:29,199 --> 01:51:30,719
default. So we had those people with

2204
01:51:30,719 --> 01:51:32,239
load controllers and we said there's an

2205
01:51:32,239 --> 01:51:34,639
event coming up. We will be dimming

2206
01:51:34,639 --> 01:51:36,719
those devices of yours. Okay? We will be

2207
01:51:36,719 --> 01:51:39,360
delaying heating. Uh we will be delaying

2208
01:51:39,360 --> 01:51:40,960
heating your hot water tank or your

2209
01:51:40,960 --> 01:51:42,800
charging. These are two-hour events,

2210
01:51:42,800 --> 01:51:46,159
three-hour events. Um press this button

2211
01:51:46,159 --> 01:51:48,639
if you don't want us to do this. Okay.

2212
01:51:48,639 --> 01:51:50,719
And so just by flipping that that that

2213
01:51:50,719 --> 01:51:53,760
that that default, we got about a 27%

2214
01:51:53,760 --> 01:51:55,280
reduction

2215
01:51:55,280 --> 01:51:57,679
um in consumption there. And we did

2216
01:51:57,679 --> 01:51:59,599
expost surveys, you know, did we annoy

2217
01:51:59,599 --> 01:52:01,119
you by doing this? Did you find yourself

2218
01:52:01,119 --> 01:52:02,960
in they most people said we didn't even

2219
01:52:02,960 --> 01:52:04,960
know you did it. Okay, these are tanked

2220
01:52:04,960 --> 01:52:06,800
hot water systems. They hot water last

2221
01:52:06,800 --> 01:52:09,760
for 24 hours. So you don't shifting

2222
01:52:09,760 --> 01:52:11,280
heating is not even noticed by the

2223
01:52:11,280 --> 01:52:13,119
consumer. So this is getting a bit of a

2224
01:52:13,119 --> 01:52:15,040
behavioral aspect of you can't just give

2225
01:52:15,040 --> 01:52:17,360
people technology. You need to make it

2226
01:52:17,360 --> 01:52:19,679
easy for them. The last one, this was

2227
01:52:19,679 --> 01:52:21,840
here locally. This was in Calgary. This

2228
01:52:21,840 --> 01:52:25,199
was on an EV charging pilot where we

2229
01:52:25,199 --> 01:52:27,040
wanted to see would people respond to

2230
01:52:27,040 --> 01:52:30,000
time of use rates for electricity. So,

2231
01:52:30,000 --> 01:52:32,320
we gave them cheaper overnight rates. It

2232
01:52:32,320 --> 01:52:34,480
was a 3.5 cent per kilowatt hour

2233
01:52:34,480 --> 01:52:37,280
discount on power consumed between 10

2234
01:52:37,280 --> 01:52:40,000
p.m. and 6 a.m. And what you see here,

2235
01:52:40,000 --> 01:52:42,239
so the rewards group got that got that

2236
01:52:42,239 --> 01:52:44,639
reward and you saw a really big increase

2237
01:52:44,639 --> 01:52:47,040
in their off peak or overnight charging.

2238
01:52:47,040 --> 01:52:49,199
So about 80% of their charging shifted

2239
01:52:49,199 --> 01:52:52,400
to overnight. Okay. Versus the control

2240
01:52:52,400 --> 01:52:54,560
group which would we didn't get any we

2241
01:52:54,560 --> 01:52:56,159
didn't offer them anything. And then

2242
01:52:56,159 --> 01:52:58,080
there was an education group where we

2243
01:52:58,080 --> 01:52:59,840
didn't pay them to shift, but we told

2244
01:52:59,840 --> 01:53:01,760
them, "Hey, it'd be really nice, be

2245
01:53:01,760 --> 01:53:03,119
really swell if you did this. It's

2246
01:53:03,119 --> 01:53:04,880
really important for the grid. Um kind

2247
01:53:04,880 --> 01:53:07,040
of a moral persuasion nudge." There was

2248
01:53:07,040 --> 01:53:08,639
no impact from that. People didn't do it

2249
01:53:08,639 --> 01:53:10,159
for the goodness of their hearts. So the

2250
01:53:10,159 --> 01:53:11,440
story of this, I think we called this

2251
01:53:11,440 --> 01:53:15,520
paper show me the money was if people um

2252
01:53:15,520 --> 01:53:17,440
uh see these difference in prices and

2253
01:53:17,440 --> 01:53:19,840
this this is not a subsidy. This is

2254
01:53:19,840 --> 01:53:21,679
really reflecting the fact power is a

2255
01:53:21,679 --> 01:53:23,520
lot cheaper overnight. And right now in

2256
01:53:23,520 --> 01:53:25,040
Alberta, we don't convey that to

2257
01:53:25,040 --> 01:53:26,960
consumers that everyone pays the same

2258
01:53:26,960 --> 01:53:30,000
price across the day. But giving people

2259
01:53:30,000 --> 01:53:31,920
more of a signal to you can save money

2260
01:53:31,920 --> 01:53:33,599
if you shift some of your consumption

2261
01:53:33,599 --> 01:53:36,800
overnight. For many applications, that's

2262
01:53:36,800 --> 01:53:38,239
simply not feasible. You're not going to

2263
01:53:38,239 --> 01:53:41,520
touch it. Uh but for EV charging, it is

2264
01:53:41,520 --> 01:53:43,840
quite easy. Okay? And that really comes

2265
01:53:43,840 --> 01:53:45,520
down to the fact that the service you

2266
01:53:45,520 --> 01:53:48,239
get from an EV driving is divorced from

2267
01:53:48,239 --> 01:53:50,639
the electricity use charging on account

2268
01:53:50,639 --> 01:53:53,040
of that battery.

2269
01:53:53,040 --> 01:53:55,599
Um, I've been an hour, Caroline, so I

2270
01:53:55,599 --> 01:53:57,599
could stop. I have some slides on market

2271
01:53:57,599 --> 01:54:00,080
design if you guys want to go further.

2272
01:54:00,080 --> 01:54:02,880
Um, but I thought maybe I can pause,

2273
01:54:02,880 --> 01:54:04,390
>> give a chance for questions.

2274
01:54:04,390 --> 01:54:04,400
» give a chance for questions.

2275
01:54:04,400 --> 01:54:07,910
>> Okay. Um, counces, please.

2276
01:54:07,910 --> 01:54:07,920
» Okay. Um, counces, please.

2277
01:54:07,920 --> 01:54:10,709
>> You're talking about the public um, with

2278
01:54:10,709 --> 01:54:10,719
» You're talking about the public um, with

2279
01:54:10,719 --> 01:54:12,320
that last little bit of a presentation

2280
01:54:12,320 --> 01:54:14,880
about them getting the benefits of it.

2281
01:54:14,880 --> 01:54:18,560
Was any thought given to um corporations

2282
01:54:18,560 --> 01:54:21,199
that reside within our province, so to

2283
01:54:21,199 --> 01:54:22,960
speak, or wherever? Did you guys do data

2284
01:54:22,960 --> 01:54:24,639
on that as well if they did their

2285
01:54:24,639 --> 01:54:25,760
because sometimes, you know, when you're

2286
01:54:25,760 --> 01:54:27,760
driving at night and you're going past

2287
01:54:27,760 --> 01:54:30,560
the walnuts of the world or whatever box

2288
01:54:30,560 --> 01:54:33,599
store we go to, um the electricity on

2289
01:54:33,599 --> 01:54:35,280
the outside, it's running all over and

2290
01:54:35,280 --> 01:54:37,760
no one's really in the store. So, are we

2291
01:54:37,760 --> 01:54:40,000
also putting that factoring that in as

2292
01:54:40,000 --> 01:54:41,679
well as just what we're doing on every

2293
01:54:41,679 --> 01:54:42,639
day in my house?

2294
01:54:42,639 --> 01:54:44,950
>> Yeah. Yeah. Great question, actually. I

2295
01:54:44,950 --> 01:54:44,960
» Yeah. Yeah. Great question, actually. I

2296
01:54:44,960 --> 01:54:46,639
love an anecdote when I worked at BC

2297
01:54:46,639 --> 01:54:48,960
Hydro. BC Hydro this big powers smart

2298
01:54:48,960 --> 01:54:50,800
campaign to turn off your lights at

2299
01:54:50,800 --> 01:54:52,719
night and then it was on the news the BC

2300
01:54:52,719 --> 01:54:55,280
Hydro headquarters was just lit up and

2301
01:54:55,280 --> 01:54:57,520
the first the spokesperson was like well

2302
01:54:57,520 --> 01:54:59,360
it really hurts our light bulbs to be

2303
01:54:59,360 --> 01:55:00,880
turning them on and off so it's a lot

2304
01:55:00,880 --> 01:55:02,719
easier.

2305
01:55:02,719 --> 01:55:04,709
>> Um lighting actually interestingly is

2306
01:55:04,709 --> 01:55:04,719
» Um lighting actually interestingly is

2307
01:55:04,719 --> 01:55:06,480
not important anymore. These LED

2308
01:55:06,480 --> 01:55:09,119
lighting um I have a current monitor in

2309
01:55:09,119 --> 01:55:10,639
my house. I monitor all my circuits. I'm

2310
01:55:10,639 --> 01:55:13,280
a nerd and I'll turn all my lights on

2311
01:55:13,280 --> 01:55:15,599
and I don't even see the current change.

2312
01:55:15,599 --> 01:55:19,280
It's just the LED lights are such a, you

2313
01:55:19,280 --> 01:55:23,040
know, is 90% 94% less than incandescent.

2314
01:55:23,040 --> 01:55:25,119
Lighting isn't a big one. Um, on

2315
01:55:25,119 --> 01:55:27,760
corporations, absolutely. Um, this

2316
01:55:27,760 --> 01:55:30,880
particular study was was residential EVs

2317
01:55:30,880 --> 01:55:34,320
and the BC one was residential, but

2318
01:55:34,320 --> 01:55:36,480
commercial for Oh, let me let me back

2319
01:55:36,480 --> 01:55:38,560
up. On the industrial level, we already

2320
01:55:38,560 --> 01:55:40,400
have this push. So many industrial

2321
01:55:40,400 --> 01:55:42,159
customers are directly connected and

2322
01:55:42,159 --> 01:55:44,960
face the hourly prices. Um throughout my

2323
01:55:44,960 --> 01:55:46,960
career as a trader, we often had deals

2324
01:55:46,960 --> 01:55:48,639
with some of them. Newsprint companies

2325
01:55:48,639 --> 01:55:49,920
are some of the best. They're very

2326
01:55:49,920 --> 01:55:51,679
flexible when they use their power where

2327
01:55:51,679 --> 01:55:53,599
we would offer them kind of option-l

2328
01:55:53,599 --> 01:55:55,119
like contracts to change their

2329
01:55:55,119 --> 01:55:58,239
consumption. Um yeah, throughout our

2330
01:55:58,239 --> 01:56:00,320
career, industrial is already heavily

2331
01:56:00,320 --> 01:56:03,599
engaged. Commercial,

2332
01:56:03,599 --> 01:56:05,280
um I would say is just the same

2333
01:56:05,280 --> 01:56:07,360
applicability as residential. Currently

2334
01:56:07,360 --> 01:56:08,960
in Alberta, they don't have the

2335
01:56:08,960 --> 01:56:11,679
possibility of time of use rates. Um,

2336
01:56:11,679 --> 01:56:13,760
but they would certainly be in the

2337
01:56:13,760 --> 01:56:16,639
conversation for for getting it. Um,

2338
01:56:16,639 --> 01:56:18,960
there's mixed studies out there about

2339
01:56:18,960 --> 01:56:21,599
the responsiveness of commercial. So on

2340
01:56:21,599 --> 01:56:23,360
some level, because they have a it's a

2341
01:56:23,360 --> 01:56:24,800
higher share of costs and they might be

2342
01:56:24,800 --> 01:56:27,040
more profit focused, you would expect a

2343
01:56:27,040 --> 01:56:28,719
bit more responsiveness, but on others,

2344
01:56:28,719 --> 01:56:30,320
they're inflexible. They don't want to

2345
01:56:30,320 --> 01:56:32,320
adjust things in their business. They

2346
01:56:32,320 --> 01:56:34,400
don't want any inconvenience. So there's

2347
01:56:34,400 --> 01:56:35,920
sort of mixed results and it's going to

2348
01:56:35,920 --> 01:56:38,800
depend on the type of business it is and

2349
01:56:38,800 --> 01:56:42,000
and the the type of electric service.

2350
01:56:42,000 --> 01:56:45,189
>> Councel,

2351
01:56:45,199 --> 01:56:47,360
» I know we're talking energy production

2352
01:56:47,360 --> 01:56:50,159
here and all sorts of uh different types

2353
01:56:50,159 --> 01:56:53,920
of ways to produce energy

2354
01:56:53,920 --> 01:56:58,080
and really energy is not the problem for

2355
01:56:58,080 --> 01:57:01,520
for us. It is actually the transmission

2356
01:57:01,520 --> 01:57:04,000
and distribution costs.

2357
01:57:04,000 --> 01:57:06,400
Because the cost of the power itself is

2358
01:57:06,400 --> 01:57:09,920
not bad. It's getting it to us.

2359
01:57:09,920 --> 01:57:10,310
>> Yeah.

2360
01:57:10,310 --> 01:57:10,320
» Yeah.

2361
01:57:10,320 --> 01:57:12,470
>> And that's what we need to fix. I don't

2362
01:57:12,470 --> 01:57:12,480
» And that's what we need to fix. I don't

2363
01:57:12,480 --> 01:57:14,800
care how you fix it, but it should be

2364
01:57:14,800 --> 01:57:16,880
more equal throughout the province. I I

2365
01:57:16,880 --> 01:57:19,920
I would think, but

2366
01:57:19,920 --> 01:57:22,229
>> I just a comment, I guess.

2367
01:57:22,229 --> 01:57:22,239
» I just a comment, I guess.

2368
01:57:22,239 --> 01:57:24,149
>> No, I love I I don't have the slide in

2369
01:57:24,149 --> 01:57:24,159
» No, I love I I don't have the slide in

2370
01:57:24,159 --> 01:57:26,320
here, but the one I my my intro to

2371
01:57:26,320 --> 01:57:27,679
electricity markets course, the first

2372
01:57:27,679 --> 01:57:29,840
thing I do is say energy is only a part

2373
01:57:29,840 --> 01:57:31,760
of your bill as a retailer. In fact,

2374
01:57:31,760 --> 01:57:33,840
it's like less than a third these days.

2375
01:57:33,840 --> 01:57:35,040
Depending on where you are out here,

2376
01:57:35,040 --> 01:57:37,760
it'd be much less than a third. Um,

2377
01:57:37,760 --> 01:57:39,599
actually, maybe not here, but further

2378
01:57:39,599 --> 01:57:42,239
north. Um,

2379
01:57:42,239 --> 01:57:44,719
yeah, if you're in Atco territory, and

2380
01:57:44,719 --> 01:57:47,520
no disparaging onco if you're listening,

2381
01:57:47,520 --> 01:57:49,280
um, it's significantly higher

2382
01:57:49,280 --> 01:57:52,080
distribution costs. Your point on should

2383
01:57:52,080 --> 01:57:54,000
we have postage stamp distribution costs

2384
01:57:54,000 --> 01:57:56,080
around the province, I'm of mixed minds

2385
01:57:56,080 --> 01:57:58,159
on that. I know that in other provinces

2386
01:57:58,159 --> 01:57:59,679
like BC and Saskatchewan and our

2387
01:57:59,679 --> 01:58:01,360
neighbors where it's one distribution

2388
01:58:01,360 --> 01:58:03,520
utility, there is a cross subsidy across

2389
01:58:03,520 --> 01:58:05,599
the province. Here you have different

2390
01:58:05,599 --> 01:58:07,920
distribution utilities. So you'd be

2391
01:58:07,920 --> 01:58:12,000
asking somehow uh INMAX customers to

2392
01:58:12,000 --> 01:58:14,000
cross subsidize ACO. There's a good

2393
01:58:14,000 --> 01:58:15,760
reason why distribution costs are higher

2394
01:58:15,760 --> 01:58:17,599
in ACO's territory. you have less

2395
01:58:17,599 --> 01:58:20,159
customers per substation, per

2396
01:58:20,159 --> 01:58:22,639
transformer, per feeder line, simply

2397
01:58:22,639 --> 01:58:25,280
because of um it's the same reason why

2398
01:58:25,280 --> 01:58:27,599
milk is more expensive in Northwest

2399
01:58:27,599 --> 01:58:32,080
Territories. Um you know, it it's I I'm

2400
01:58:32,080 --> 01:58:34,000
not I'm personally am not convinced that

2401
01:58:34,000 --> 01:58:36,960
we should have postage stamp pricing.

2402
01:58:36,960 --> 01:58:38,159
I'm actually a proponent of

2403
01:58:38,159 --> 01:58:40,239
locationational pricing across all

2404
01:58:40,239 --> 01:58:44,800
aspects of our um power system to try to

2405
01:58:44,800 --> 01:58:47,520
reflect that both energy and cost to

2406
01:58:47,520 --> 01:58:50,560
serve really varies by where you are. Um

2407
01:58:50,560 --> 01:58:52,159
but I I totally appreciate that there's

2408
01:58:52,159 --> 01:58:53,599
a fairness issue and that's probably not

2409
01:58:53,599 --> 01:58:55,840
wellreceived in the areas that that does

2410
01:58:55,840 --> 01:58:58,400
face those higher prices, but I think to

2411
01:58:58,400 --> 01:59:00,560
some extent that's known that's

2412
01:59:00,560 --> 01:59:03,520
capitalized in in housing costes costs

2413
01:59:03,520 --> 01:59:07,119
um in land costs. user pay.

2414
01:59:07,119 --> 01:59:09,270
>> Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. So, there's a

2415
01:59:09,270 --> 01:59:09,280
» Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. So, there's a

2416
01:59:09,280 --> 01:59:11,199
trade-off between the user pay principle

2417
01:59:11,199 --> 01:59:15,520
and kind of this fairness concept and um

2418
01:59:15,520 --> 01:59:18,480
you know, one province. Um your other

2419
01:59:18,480 --> 01:59:20,800
comment though about transmission and

2420
01:59:20,800 --> 01:59:23,760
distribution or wires costs, I 100%

2421
01:59:23,760 --> 01:59:26,239
agree with you on that one. Um if you

2422
01:59:26,239 --> 01:59:28,880
look at energy costs, the United States

2423
01:59:28,880 --> 01:59:31,119
has some great charts on this. the the

2424
01:59:31,119 --> 01:59:34,080
EIA, Energy Information Administration,

2425
01:59:34,080 --> 01:59:36,159
generation costs on average in real

2426
01:59:36,159 --> 01:59:38,159
terms have actually been falling for the

2427
01:59:38,159 --> 01:59:40,480
last 10 years. So even though we talk

2428
01:59:40,480 --> 01:59:42,480
about, you know, high prices at times

2429
01:59:42,480 --> 01:59:44,560
and even here in Alberta, even here in

2430
01:59:44,560 --> 01:59:46,560
Alberta, we had that spike in 2021 to

2431
01:59:46,560 --> 01:59:48,639
23, which was largely driven by economic

2432
01:59:48,639 --> 01:59:51,440
withholding, on average, our energy

2433
01:59:51,440 --> 01:59:54,080
costs have been down in real terms,

2434
01:59:54,080 --> 01:59:56,560
inflation adjusted. What's rising is

2435
01:59:56,560 --> 02:00:01,199
wires costs and a lot of my current

2436
02:00:01,199 --> 02:00:03,920
research is f focused on distribution

2437
02:00:03,920 --> 02:00:06,480
costs because that's the one I think is

2438
02:00:06,480 --> 02:00:09,280
going to be I think there's a fork in

2439
02:00:09,280 --> 02:00:11,440
the road there where done poorly

2440
02:00:11,440 --> 02:00:14,239
distribution costs are going to explode

2441
02:00:14,239 --> 02:00:17,119
as we electrify and have much larger

2442
02:00:17,119 --> 02:00:19,599
loads at home so let alone air

2443
02:00:19,599 --> 02:00:22,639
conditioners start adding EVs heat pumps

2444
02:00:22,639 --> 02:00:25,440
these big spiky loads

2445
02:00:25,440 --> 02:00:27,679
um that done one way it's going to get

2446
02:00:27,679 --> 02:00:32,239
very expensive. Um I'll mayulpa my

2447
02:00:32,239 --> 02:00:34,400
street in Calgary. I have an electric

2448
02:00:34,400 --> 02:00:37,679
vehicle. Two of my neighbors have one

2449
02:00:37,679 --> 02:00:39,599
and we just had our transformer in our

2450
02:00:39,599 --> 02:00:42,639
alley upgraded. Okay.

2451
02:00:42,639 --> 02:00:44,639
Everyone shares in that cost. Opposite

2452
02:00:44,639 --> 02:00:46,239
of user pay. I don't pay for that

2453
02:00:46,239 --> 02:00:49,280
upgrade. Everyone pays for that.

2454
02:00:49,280 --> 02:00:53,920
I did a study with Foris on how can we

2455
02:00:53,920 --> 02:00:56,080
get around that upgrade cost and there's

2456
02:00:56,080 --> 02:00:58,719
a program called managed charging where

2457
02:00:58,719 --> 02:01:00,960
it takes into account that say Mike is

2458
02:01:00,960 --> 02:01:02,880
my neighbor and and Wade is our his

2459
02:01:02,880 --> 02:01:06,239
neighbor and we coordinate it allows us

2460
02:01:06,239 --> 02:01:08,320
to sequence that charging because the

2461
02:01:08,320 --> 02:01:11,679
reality is EVs are plugged in for 13

2462
02:01:11,679 --> 02:01:14,159
hours at home on average and charge for

2463
02:01:14,159 --> 02:01:17,679
about 50 minutes 50 on average there's a

2464
02:01:17,679 --> 02:01:19,920
lot of flexib ibility on when to do it.

2465
02:01:19,920 --> 02:01:24,560
And the worst case scenario is I, Mike,

2466
02:01:24,560 --> 02:01:27,440
and Wade all get home at 5:00 p.m., plug

2467
02:01:27,440 --> 02:01:29,199
in right when the rest of the load is

2468
02:01:29,199 --> 02:01:32,400
surging, and we kind of not blow up, but

2469
02:01:32,400 --> 02:01:33,920
put a lot of stress on that transformer,

2470
02:01:33,920 --> 02:01:35,679
and then NMAX goes and says, "We need to

2471
02:01:35,679 --> 02:01:38,000
replace it." Instead,

2472
02:01:38,000 --> 02:01:39,360
first of all, we could both delay our

2473
02:01:39,360 --> 02:01:40,880
charging to midnight, but better than

2474
02:01:40,880 --> 02:01:42,320
that, because if we all go on at

2475
02:01:42,320 --> 02:01:43,760
midnight, it's fine for the energy

2476
02:01:43,760 --> 02:01:46,480
system, but that local transformer gets

2477
02:01:46,480 --> 02:01:48,480
overloaded. I go at midnight for an

2478
02:01:48,480 --> 02:01:50,480
hour. Mike goes at 1:00 am and Wade goes

2479
02:01:50,480 --> 02:01:52,639
at 2 am. We're clearly not going to have

2480
02:01:52,639 --> 02:01:54,960
a conversation and organize that. But

2481
02:01:54,960 --> 02:01:57,840
that's where technology comes in. Okay.

2482
02:01:57,840 --> 02:01:59,280
Sign up for these managed charging

2483
02:01:59,280 --> 02:02:01,040
programs that simply manage that for

2484
02:02:01,040 --> 02:02:02,320
you. Some people find that

2485
02:02:02,320 --> 02:02:03,360
uncomfortable. When when we launched

2486
02:02:03,360 --> 02:02:04,880
this in forest territory, the comment

2487
02:02:04,880 --> 02:02:08,560
section was pretty pretty um um colorful

2488
02:02:08,560 --> 02:02:11,760
in terms of managing loads. Um, but when

2489
02:02:11,760 --> 02:02:13,920
people got paid a little bit per month

2490
02:02:13,920 --> 02:02:16,960
and said, you know, the the fuel for

2491
02:02:16,960 --> 02:02:19,280
your vehicle will be $20 a month cheaper

2492
02:02:19,280 --> 02:02:21,119
if you just let us sequence you when

2493
02:02:21,119 --> 02:02:22,800
your transformer is overloaded. We're

2494
02:02:22,800 --> 02:02:25,040
going to shift it around. Sure. Didn't

2495
02:02:25,040 --> 02:02:27,440
even notice. Okay. And we're seeing

2496
02:02:27,440 --> 02:02:31,440
those types of programs um um explode in

2497
02:02:31,440 --> 02:02:33,440
the United States where there is like in

2498
02:02:33,440 --> 02:02:34,960
places like California where there's a

2499
02:02:34,960 --> 02:02:37,199
lot of EVs as managed charging. So it's

2500
02:02:37,199 --> 02:02:39,520
a technical solution to very much avoid

2501
02:02:39,520 --> 02:02:42,400
that thing because I think without that

2502
02:02:42,400 --> 02:02:44,400
uncontrolled large loads are going to

2503
02:02:44,400 --> 02:02:46,000
put a lot of stress on distribution

2504
02:02:46,000 --> 02:02:48,719
networks but I'm trying to be a bit more

2505
02:02:48,719 --> 02:02:50,320
optimistic recognizing there is a lot of

2506
02:02:50,320 --> 02:02:52,560
ability to now control the timing of

2507
02:02:52,560 --> 02:02:55,199
those loads shift away from peaks.

2508
02:02:55,199 --> 02:02:56,149
>> That's a great point.

2509
02:02:56,149 --> 02:02:56,159
» That's a great point.

2510
02:02:56,159 --> 02:02:57,510
>> So we've gotten into this whole

2511
02:02:57,510 --> 02:02:57,520
» So we've gotten into this whole

2512
02:02:57,520 --> 02:03:00,239
conversation around distribution and

2513
02:03:00,239 --> 02:03:02,480
managing and moving power from one place

2514
02:03:02,480 --> 02:03:05,119
to another. The real question in my mind

2515
02:03:05,119 --> 02:03:06,800
and I know there's a society

2516
02:03:06,800 --> 02:03:08,960
responsibility that we all have and

2517
02:03:08,960 --> 02:03:11,199
rural currently is carrying the load for

2518
02:03:11,199 --> 02:03:13,840
the renewables. Why aren't they placing

2519
02:03:13,840 --> 02:03:16,080
the power development closer to the

2520
02:03:16,080 --> 02:03:19,280
consumers? So we carry the

2521
02:03:19,280 --> 02:03:22,800
responsibility for solar and wind and

2522
02:03:22,800 --> 02:03:25,360
the land usage takes place under our

2523
02:03:25,360 --> 02:03:27,840
jurisdiction but the power usage isn't

2524
02:03:27,840 --> 02:03:30,320
necessarily here. We don't get any

2525
02:03:30,320 --> 02:03:32,719
benefit by having the generation here in

2526
02:03:32,719 --> 02:03:35,520
terms of lower cost for distribution

2527
02:03:35,520 --> 02:03:38,080
lower cost of power whatever

2528
02:03:38,080 --> 02:03:41,589
>> but we carry the burden in terms of the

2529
02:03:41,589 --> 02:03:41,599
» but we carry the burden in terms of the

2530
02:03:41,599 --> 02:03:45,119
footprint and the aesthetics and so on.

2531
02:03:45,119 --> 02:03:47,430
>> The big consumers they don't want that

2532
02:03:47,430 --> 02:03:47,440
» The big consumers they don't want that

2533
02:03:47,440 --> 02:03:48,960
footprint nor do they want the

2534
02:03:48,960 --> 02:03:52,560
aesthetics. So why aren't we looking at

2535
02:03:52,560 --> 02:03:54,719
where the power is generated and where

2536
02:03:54,719 --> 02:03:56,400
the consumers are and trying to put them

2537
02:03:56,400 --> 02:03:57,360
close together.

2538
02:03:57,360 --> 02:03:59,669
>> Yeah, that's a great question. I this I

2539
02:03:59,669 --> 02:03:59,679
» Yeah, that's a great question. I this I

2540
02:03:59,679 --> 02:04:00,719
can segue in. So this is the

2541
02:04:00,719 --> 02:04:02,719
restructured energy market final design.

2542
02:04:02,719 --> 02:04:04,719
I had a bunch of slides about Alberta's

2543
02:04:04,719 --> 02:04:07,119
system. I'll skip over and this is kind

2544
02:04:07,119 --> 02:04:09,520
of the summary of the of the design. And

2545
02:04:09,520 --> 02:04:10,719
that the top line there is

2546
02:04:10,719 --> 02:04:13,599
locationational pricing. So that's a big

2547
02:04:13,599 --> 02:04:15,199
change. This is in the energy market,

2548
02:04:15,199 --> 02:04:16,719
not distribution but in the energy

2549
02:04:16,719 --> 02:04:18,960
market to have locationational prices

2550
02:04:18,960 --> 02:04:22,080
for the generation side. Okay. So that

2551
02:04:22,080 --> 02:04:25,040
you would now see that placing

2552
02:04:25,040 --> 02:04:27,599
generation in the southeast of the

2553
02:04:27,599 --> 02:04:29,599
province where we have a lot of solar

2554
02:04:29,599 --> 02:04:31,599
that's come in and we don't have

2555
02:04:31,599 --> 02:04:33,280
necessarily great transmission to take

2556
02:04:33,280 --> 02:04:35,440
it to load centers. It will start

2557
02:04:35,440 --> 02:04:37,679
receiving a lower price and it will

2558
02:04:37,679 --> 02:04:39,840
disincentivize production in those

2559
02:04:39,840 --> 02:04:42,560
areas. Whereas a load center maybe like

2560
02:04:42,560 --> 02:04:46,239
Calgary would face a higher price and it

2561
02:04:46,239 --> 02:04:48,880
would attract generation to that area

2562
02:04:48,880 --> 02:04:50,960
because it's on the other side of a of a

2563
02:04:50,960 --> 02:04:53,760
transmission constraint. So that sort of

2564
02:04:53,760 --> 02:04:56,080
gets at maybe right now when you have

2565
02:04:56,080 --> 02:04:58,320
uniform pricing, you're just simply

2566
02:04:58,320 --> 02:05:00,960
going to go where a the resource is

2567
02:05:00,960 --> 02:05:02,800
strongest. It's a little bit sunnier out

2568
02:05:02,800 --> 02:05:05,599
here than Calgary, but also land costs.

2569
02:05:05,599 --> 02:05:06,880
It's going to be a little bit cheaper

2570
02:05:06,880 --> 02:05:10,320
here than and closer to town. Um, but if

2571
02:05:10,320 --> 02:05:12,080
there's no distinction on the value of

2572
02:05:12,080 --> 02:05:13,440
that generation, you're simply going

2573
02:05:13,440 --> 02:05:14,800
where the lowest cost and best resource

2574
02:05:14,800 --> 02:05:16,400
is. So I think that's why you're you're

2575
02:05:16,400 --> 02:05:17,840
seeing that. So this should go some way

2576
02:05:17,840 --> 02:05:20,639
to doing that. On the consumer side,

2577
02:05:20,639 --> 02:05:23,199
this is an interesting policy choice.

2578
02:05:23,199 --> 02:05:25,520
The province was very averse to local

2579
02:05:25,520 --> 02:05:27,840
locationational pricing on the consumer

2580
02:05:27,840 --> 02:05:30,960
side. They really didn't like the idea

2581
02:05:30,960 --> 02:05:32,560
unlike distribution. They didn't want to

2582
02:05:32,560 --> 02:05:34,400
go down the path of the distribution

2583
02:05:34,400 --> 02:05:36,080
issues that we face now with four

2584
02:05:36,080 --> 02:05:38,400
different prices. So they wanted to keep

2585
02:05:38,400 --> 02:05:40,239
one uniform price. So we're going to

2586
02:05:40,239 --> 02:05:42,719
maintain cross subsidies on the

2587
02:05:42,719 --> 02:05:45,520
consumption side with the ability to opt

2588
02:05:45,520 --> 02:05:48,400
into locationational pricing. So if you

2589
02:05:48,400 --> 02:05:51,599
live in an area that has significantly

2590
02:05:51,599 --> 02:05:55,040
lower energy prices because of location

2591
02:05:55,040 --> 02:05:57,360
pricing, you can choose to participate

2592
02:05:57,360 --> 02:05:58,960
in that. But it's a one-time election.

2593
02:05:58,960 --> 02:06:00,560
You simply you can't go back and forth

2594
02:06:00,560 --> 02:06:02,880
when it's cheaper. So that could offer

2595
02:06:02,880 --> 02:06:05,520
that opportunity. On the distribution

2596
02:06:05,520 --> 02:06:08,000
side of things, one of the things you're

2597
02:06:08,000 --> 02:06:11,920
seeing is more distribution connected um

2598
02:06:11,920 --> 02:06:15,599
solar uh to a degree wind so that you're

2599
02:06:15,599 --> 02:06:17,360
able to put forth that cheaper

2600
02:06:17,360 --> 02:06:19,040
generation directly into the

2601
02:06:19,040 --> 02:06:20,719
distribution network and benefit those

2602
02:06:20,719 --> 02:06:23,119
consumers in that local area. So some

2603
02:06:23,119 --> 02:06:24,560
development happens there. Most of it

2604
02:06:24,560 --> 02:06:27,840
happens at the transmission scale.

2605
02:06:27,840 --> 02:06:29,270
>> I don't know if that helps answer your

2606
02:06:29,270 --> 02:06:29,280
» I don't know if that helps answer your

2607
02:06:29,280 --> 02:06:32,079
question. No, I it it it's something

2608
02:06:32,079 --> 02:06:35,360
that we deal with in a rural environment

2609
02:06:35,360 --> 02:06:38,239
where we carry the burden for the

2610
02:06:38,239 --> 02:06:40,960
development of those facilities

2611
02:06:40,960 --> 02:06:44,069
>> and they're not necessarily always that

2612
02:06:44,069 --> 02:06:44,079
» and they're not necessarily always that

2613
02:06:44,079 --> 02:06:45,040
popular

2614
02:06:45,040 --> 02:06:47,350
>> in a rural environment, but they're not

2615
02:06:47,350 --> 02:06:47,360
» in a rural environment, but they're not

2616
02:06:47,360 --> 02:06:50,239
popular in an urban environment either.

2617
02:06:50,239 --> 02:06:54,239
And so because of the

2618
02:06:54,239 --> 02:06:58,639
I'm going to say the influence of

2619
02:06:58,639 --> 02:07:00,400
numbers of people,

2620
02:07:00,400 --> 02:07:02,790
>> it forces that generation to move away

2621
02:07:02,790 --> 02:07:02,800
» it forces that generation to move away

2622
02:07:02,800 --> 02:07:04,480
from where it's actually the power is

2623
02:07:04,480 --> 02:07:05,679
going to be used.

2624
02:07:05,679 --> 02:07:08,390
>> So if I'm a

2625
02:07:08,390 --> 02:07:08,400
» So if I'm a

2626
02:07:08,400 --> 02:07:10,719
$5 million homeowner on Coach Hill in

2627
02:07:10,719 --> 02:07:13,679
Calgary and you talk to me about wind

2628
02:07:13,679 --> 02:07:16,560
generation directly west of my home,

2629
02:07:16,560 --> 02:07:19,199
it's not ever going to happen. But if I

2630
02:07:19,199 --> 02:07:22,560
happen to be a $500,000 acreage owner in

2631
02:07:22,560 --> 02:07:24,480
Neil County and you talk to me about

2632
02:07:24,480 --> 02:07:26,320
wind generation directly to the west of

2633
02:07:26,320 --> 02:07:27,040
my home,

2634
02:07:27,040 --> 02:07:28,709
>> the odds are much higher that it's going

2635
02:07:28,709 --> 02:07:28,719
» the odds are much higher that it's going

2636
02:07:28,719 --> 02:07:29,599
to happen here.

2637
02:07:29,599 --> 02:07:30,069
>> Yeah.

2638
02:07:30,069 --> 02:07:30,079
» Yeah.

2639
02:07:30,079 --> 02:07:32,390
>> than there. And so that's

2640
02:07:32,390 --> 02:07:32,400
» than there. And so that's

2641
02:07:32,400 --> 02:07:34,709
>> when I when I say the burden gets

2642
02:07:34,709 --> 02:07:34,719
» when I when I say the burden gets

2643
02:07:34,719 --> 02:07:37,920
shifted to rural, it it's those kind of

2644
02:07:37,920 --> 02:07:39,760
things because it's much easier. Land

2645
02:07:39,760 --> 02:07:41,520
cost, everything is less.

2646
02:07:41,520 --> 02:07:43,350
>> Yeah. But it doesn't take the burden off

2647
02:07:43,350 --> 02:07:43,360
» Yeah. But it doesn't take the burden off

2648
02:07:43,360 --> 02:07:46,639
our transmission, nor does it put the

2649
02:07:46,639 --> 02:07:48,800
onus on those who are demanding the

2650
02:07:48,800 --> 02:07:51,599
power to have the power close to them.

2651
02:07:51,599 --> 02:07:53,840
And so to me, there's a there's a

2652
02:07:53,840 --> 02:07:56,159
disconnect. And I understand all the

2653
02:07:56,159 --> 02:07:59,119
reasons why the disconnect is there.

2654
02:07:59,119 --> 02:08:01,040
Doesn't make it any easier to deal with

2655
02:08:01,040 --> 02:08:02,800
when you're sitting in our environment.

2656
02:08:02,800 --> 02:08:05,030
>> Understood. Understood. Yeah. I think

2657
02:08:05,030 --> 02:08:05,040
» Understood. Understood. Yeah. I think

2658
02:08:05,040 --> 02:08:07,119
this is why, you know, I when I started

2659
02:08:07,119 --> 02:08:09,679
on the market design um working group, I

2660
02:08:09,679 --> 02:08:11,199
was a really strong advocate of

2661
02:08:11,199 --> 02:08:12,880
locationational pricing for this very

2662
02:08:12,880 --> 02:08:15,280
reason. You need to reflect the value in

2663
02:08:15,280 --> 02:08:17,280
locations and that would that would push

2664
02:08:17,280 --> 02:08:18,960
a developer who's on the fence between

2665
02:08:18,960 --> 02:08:22,079
building in Khill County versus Rocky um

2666
02:08:22,079 --> 02:08:23,760
U County, maybe somewhere closer to

2667
02:08:23,760 --> 02:08:25,840
Calgary for that very reason that if you

2668
02:08:25,840 --> 02:08:27,679
cross a transmission cut plane and you

2669
02:08:27,679 --> 02:08:29,840
get across a congestion point, there's

2670
02:08:29,840 --> 02:08:31,440
higher value there. So you might start

2671
02:08:31,440 --> 02:08:33,920
to see the the offsetting value

2672
02:08:33,920 --> 02:08:36,079
differences take away from the the the

2673
02:08:36,079 --> 02:08:38,000
land use differentials. The reality is

2674
02:08:38,000 --> 02:08:39,360
we simply don't have quarter sections

2675
02:08:39,360 --> 02:08:41,840
within the city of Calgary. Um so you're

2676
02:08:41,840 --> 02:08:43,199
going to have that but there are the

2677
02:08:43,199 --> 02:08:44,960
flip side and you guys would know this

2678
02:08:44,960 --> 02:08:48,159
far better than I but um you know you're

2679
02:08:48,159 --> 02:08:49,679
going to get some property taxes from

2680
02:08:49,679 --> 02:08:52,800
the construction. So it's not without um

2681
02:08:52,800 --> 02:08:54,480
without any benefit. I think more so

2682
02:08:54,480 --> 02:08:57,520
it's it is a decision of the land owner

2683
02:08:57,520 --> 02:08:59,990
>> you know. So if it was imposed upon you

2684
02:08:59,990 --> 02:09:00,000
» you know. So if it was imposed upon you

2685
02:09:00,000 --> 02:09:01,840
and the government expropriated land and

2686
02:09:01,840 --> 02:09:03,440
said we're building this nuclear plant

2687
02:09:03,440 --> 02:09:06,320
in your county or whatever plant it was

2688
02:09:06,320 --> 02:09:09,040
I would greatly understand that you know

2689
02:09:09,040 --> 02:09:11,520
cries of foul if it's a if it's a land

2690
02:09:11,520 --> 02:09:12,960
owner of a quarter section saying this

2691
02:09:12,960 --> 02:09:14,320
is the use of my land this is the

2692
02:09:14,320 --> 02:09:16,400
highest value use of my land for me

2693
02:09:16,400 --> 02:09:18,149
>> um and I'm making a private decision to

2694
02:09:18,149 --> 02:09:18,159
» um and I'm making a private decision to

2695
02:09:18,159 --> 02:09:23,199
do so I I I I totally get the um

2696
02:09:23,199 --> 02:09:26,480
um how a neighbor could still uh not

2697
02:09:26,480 --> 02:09:28,239
like that you know depending what I what

2698
02:09:28,239 --> 02:09:29,440
I build on there.

2699
02:09:29,440 --> 02:09:30,709
>> Um

2700
02:09:30,709 --> 02:09:30,719
» Um

2701
02:09:30,719 --> 02:09:32,709
>> but that is something that would be in

2702
02:09:32,709 --> 02:09:32,719
» but that is something that would be in

2703
02:09:32,719 --> 02:09:34,079
large part in the purview of that

2704
02:09:34,079 --> 02:09:34,880
private land owner.

2705
02:09:34,880 --> 02:09:36,470
>> Yeah. And and that's always the balance

2706
02:09:36,470 --> 02:09:36,480
» Yeah. And and that's always the balance

2707
02:09:36,480 --> 02:09:39,040
that we have to face is landowner rights

2708
02:09:39,040 --> 02:09:41,599
and the ability of them to make maximum

2709
02:09:41,599 --> 02:09:43,679
usage of their land. I will make the

2710
02:09:43,679 --> 02:09:45,360
argument that you do have linear

2711
02:09:45,360 --> 02:09:48,239
quarters of land in most cities along

2712
02:09:48,239 --> 02:09:50,079
your transportation corridors and other

2713
02:09:50,079 --> 02:09:53,199
places that are not being utilized that

2714
02:09:53,199 --> 02:09:54,800
could be. Okay. So

2715
02:09:54,800 --> 02:09:56,229
>> I would make that argument.

2716
02:09:56,229 --> 02:09:56,239
» I would make that argument.

2717
02:09:56,239 --> 02:09:57,589
>> Yeah. Fair.

2718
02:09:57,589 --> 02:09:57,599
» Yeah. Fair.

2719
02:09:57,599 --> 02:09:58,790
>> Councelor Penry,

2720
02:09:58,790 --> 02:09:58,800
» Councelor Penry,

2721
02:09:58,800 --> 02:10:00,149
>> I'm sorry. And we talk about quarter

2722
02:10:00,149 --> 02:10:00,159
» I'm sorry. And we talk about quarter

2723
02:10:00,159 --> 02:10:02,159
sections. Um, just look around Calgary

2724
02:10:02,159 --> 02:10:03,440
on the outskirts of Calgary. There's

2725
02:10:03,440 --> 02:10:05,760
quarter sections of warehouse after

2726
02:10:05,760 --> 02:10:07,599
warehouse. Why are there not solar

2727
02:10:07,599 --> 02:10:10,560
panels on those buildings?

2728
02:10:10,560 --> 02:10:11,030
>> Yeah.

2729
02:10:11,030 --> 02:10:11,040
» Yeah.

2730
02:10:11,040 --> 02:10:13,669
>> And um, further to that, have you had

2731
02:10:13,669 --> 02:10:13,679
» And um, further to that, have you had

2732
02:10:13,679 --> 02:10:15,760
discussions with city planners and that

2733
02:10:15,760 --> 02:10:18,480
kind like as part of your getting

2734
02:10:18,480 --> 02:10:19,920
feedback,

2735
02:10:19,920 --> 02:10:21,669
>> you know, because that's it's it is

2736
02:10:21,669 --> 02:10:21,679
» you know, because that's it's it is

2737
02:10:21,679 --> 02:10:23,199
there's quarter section after quarter

2738
02:10:23,199 --> 02:10:24,480
section. Every time you go to the city,

2739
02:10:24,480 --> 02:10:26,960
there's more of the land which we have

2740
02:10:26,960 --> 02:10:29,599
to try and feed the world with taken

2741
02:10:29,599 --> 02:10:31,679
away from us. You know,

2742
02:10:31,679 --> 02:10:33,350
>> I think we should have panels on those

2743
02:10:33,350 --> 02:10:33,360
» I think we should have panels on those

2744
02:10:33,360 --> 02:10:35,840
flat roofs uh in the northeastern of

2745
02:10:35,840 --> 02:10:37,679
Calgary for sure. I was just my daughter

2746
02:10:37,679 --> 02:10:38,960
plays volleyball, so I drive around

2747
02:10:38,960 --> 02:10:40,239
those warehouses. That's where all the

2748
02:10:40,239 --> 02:10:43,360
volleyball courts are. Um I I absolutely

2749
02:10:43,360 --> 02:10:45,280
think we should and to some degree there

2750
02:10:45,280 --> 02:10:48,800
are uh more. I think that's simply a

2751
02:10:48,800 --> 02:10:51,760
question of economics. Um what's the

2752
02:10:51,760 --> 02:10:54,960
return on that? Um if it's if you're

2753
02:10:54,960 --> 02:10:56,880
displacing your energy costs and I think

2754
02:10:56,880 --> 02:10:59,040
councelor Whitlock Whittock already

2755
02:10:59,040 --> 02:11:01,040
pointed out energy costs are relatively

2756
02:11:01,040 --> 02:11:03,440
low um you're not getting much of a

2757
02:11:03,440 --> 02:11:04,880
distribution benefit although you are

2758
02:11:04,880 --> 02:11:06,960
getting that benefit for what's consumed

2759
02:11:06,960 --> 02:11:08,639
and if you don't have location pricing

2760
02:11:08,639 --> 02:11:10,400
to point out that the actual value of

2761
02:11:10,400 --> 02:11:12,880
power within the city of Calgary proper

2762
02:11:12,880 --> 02:11:17,119
is much higher than in Three Hills um

2763
02:11:17,119 --> 02:11:19,760
you have less private reason to do so

2764
02:11:19,760 --> 02:11:23,520
you know and um but I I think if we have

2765
02:11:23,520 --> 02:11:26,320
this conversation 101 15 years from now

2766
02:11:26,320 --> 02:11:27,599
or if we drove around those

2767
02:11:27,599 --> 02:11:29,840
neighborhoods I would fully expect

2768
02:11:29,840 --> 02:11:31,599
barring some even more egregious

2769
02:11:31,599 --> 02:11:33,599
moratorum that we would see those

2770
02:11:33,599 --> 02:11:35,679
because they simply make sense it's an

2771
02:11:35,679 --> 02:11:37,920
already disturbed land flat roof it's

2772
02:11:37,920 --> 02:11:41,040
easy to build on um we do have areas

2773
02:11:41,040 --> 02:11:44,320
like um the souththeast of Calgary

2774
02:11:44,320 --> 02:11:46,800
there's some reasonably large um solar

2775
02:11:46,800 --> 02:11:50,159
developments by Atco um near the Shepard

2776
02:11:50,159 --> 02:11:53,520
facility it's just Not I mean they look

2777
02:11:53,520 --> 02:11:54,880
like a lot of land within the city of

2778
02:11:54,880 --> 02:11:56,719
Calgary but they don't produce that much

2779
02:11:56,719 --> 02:11:58,400
because it doesn't it pales in

2780
02:11:58,400 --> 02:12:00,639
comparison to some of the ones out by

2781
02:12:00,639 --> 02:12:01,840
Vulcan.

2782
02:12:01,840 --> 02:12:03,589
>> Right. No and thank you for that. Sorry.

2783
02:12:03,589 --> 02:12:03,599
» Right. No and thank you for that. Sorry.

2784
02:12:03,599 --> 02:12:06,149
>> But yeah I agree with you that those do

2785
02:12:06,149 --> 02:12:06,159
» But yeah I agree with you that those do

2786
02:12:06,159 --> 02:12:09,360
make sense and I I should say like

2787
02:12:09,360 --> 02:12:11,520
NMAX and the city of Calgary do look at

2788
02:12:11,520 --> 02:12:13,040
those. I've been in some projects where

2789
02:12:13,040 --> 02:12:14,639
with them where they do look at

2790
02:12:14,639 --> 02:12:17,040
facilitating you know acceleration of

2791
02:12:17,040 --> 02:12:19,920
commercial PV developments. But I think

2792
02:12:19,920 --> 02:12:21,760
at the end of today's summit that

2793
02:12:21,760 --> 02:12:24,320
reliability is what we need in rural

2794
02:12:24,320 --> 02:12:26,239
Alberta here. Like we can't in the

2795
02:12:26,239 --> 02:12:27,679
winter time

2796
02:12:27,679 --> 02:12:29,589
>> have no power for a day or three days.

2797
02:12:29,589 --> 02:12:29,599
» have no power for a day or three days.

2798
02:12:29,599 --> 02:12:31,280
Like I'd love to see the city go without

2799
02:12:31,280 --> 02:12:33,199
power for a full day or three days to

2800
02:12:33,199 --> 02:12:34,960
see what happens. You know what I mean?

2801
02:12:34,960 --> 02:12:37,199
It's it's a big job like for us out here

2802
02:12:37,199 --> 02:12:38,480
and just because we don't have the

2803
02:12:38,480 --> 02:12:40,159
numbers. It seems like we don't have the

2804
02:12:40,159 --> 02:12:41,040
voice.

2805
02:12:41,040 --> 02:12:44,550
>> So reliability is the biggest thing I

2806
02:12:44,550 --> 02:12:44,560
» So reliability is the biggest thing I

2807
02:12:44,560 --> 02:12:46,560
think for rural.

2808
02:12:46,560 --> 02:12:49,189
>> Yeah. Yeah. Councelor Cuttingham, you

2809
02:12:49,189 --> 02:12:49,199
» Yeah. Yeah. Councelor Cuttingham, you

2810
02:12:49,199 --> 02:12:50,000
had a question.

2811
02:12:50,000 --> 02:12:52,069
>> Yeah, just question a comment really. I

2812
02:12:52,069 --> 02:12:52,079
» Yeah, just question a comment really. I

2813
02:12:52,079 --> 02:12:53,599
I really appreciate you coming here

2814
02:12:53,599 --> 02:12:55,679
because I think um like the Reeves

2815
02:12:55,679 --> 02:12:57,760
comments, I think that's what we hear as

2816
02:12:57,760 --> 02:12:59,119
municipal counselors in a rural

2817
02:12:59,119 --> 02:13:01,760
environment. So, I appreciate uh

2818
02:13:01,760 --> 02:13:03,679
somebody from a large urban center

2819
02:13:03,679 --> 02:13:05,280
coming and hearing what the challenges

2820
02:13:05,280 --> 02:13:07,920
that we face out here. Um it just it was

2821
02:13:07,920 --> 02:13:09,920
funny. I I was at a meeting one time

2822
02:13:09,920 --> 02:13:11,840
with a renewable company and one of our

2823
02:13:11,840 --> 02:13:13,520
rateayers asked that company, "Well,

2824
02:13:13,520 --> 02:13:15,920
will my um rates go down because I'm

2825
02:13:15,920 --> 02:13:17,679
living across?" and they very honestly

2826
02:13:17,679 --> 02:13:19,119
looked at him and said, "No, not a

2827
02:13:19,119 --> 02:13:20,400
chance." So, I mean, at least they were

2828
02:13:20,400 --> 02:13:22,480
honest with that. But, um, the economic

2829
02:13:22,480 --> 02:13:24,560
withholding piece, uh, Minister Nudorf

2830
02:13:24,560 --> 02:13:25,760
knows every time that we go to a

2831
02:13:25,760 --> 02:13:26,960
convention that I'm going to ask him

2832
02:13:26,960 --> 02:13:28,239
about that, so I'm going to keep doing

2833
02:13:28,239 --> 02:13:30,239
that. But, looks like we're making some

2834
02:13:30,239 --> 02:13:32,480
headway on that. But, when we talk about

2835
02:13:32,480 --> 02:13:34,400
the decisions of the landowner, I think

2836
02:13:34,400 --> 02:13:36,000
when councelor Phobus mentioned the

2837
02:13:36,000 --> 02:13:38,239
reclamation piece, every time we do go

2838
02:13:38,239 --> 02:13:40,320
to our conventions, um, reclamation of

2839
02:13:40,320 --> 02:13:41,920
oil and gas is always one of the hot

2840
02:13:41,920 --> 02:13:44,880
topics. And so I think for myself what I

2841
02:13:44,880 --> 02:13:46,000
appreciated what the provincial

2842
02:13:46,000 --> 02:13:47,920
government did was put that little bit

2843
02:13:47,920 --> 02:13:50,400
of a moratorium on and say whoa like we

2844
02:13:50,400 --> 02:13:52,400
don't want the renewables to become that

2845
02:13:52,400 --> 02:13:55,760
oil and gas piece. We want to plan um we

2846
02:13:55,760 --> 02:13:58,159
don't want that. So it comes back to the

2847
02:13:58,159 --> 02:13:59,760
cost to the municipality which in

2848
02:13:59,760 --> 02:14:02,639
essence is our rateayers and and us. So

2849
02:14:02,639 --> 02:14:05,040
I think um while it doesn't seem like a

2850
02:14:05,040 --> 02:14:07,360
huge issue right now we we have seen a

2851
02:14:07,360 --> 02:14:09,440
lot of projects come to our area and our

2852
02:14:09,440 --> 02:14:10,880
neighbor municipalities. So, we just

2853
02:14:10,880 --> 02:14:12,320
want to get ahead of that recol

2854
02:14:12,320 --> 02:14:14,400
reclamation piece so we're not having

2855
02:14:14,400 --> 02:14:16,079
that same issue that we faced with oil

2856
02:14:16,079 --> 02:14:17,040
and gas

2857
02:14:17,040 --> 02:14:18,629
>> plan comes after and the money comes

2858
02:14:18,629 --> 02:14:18,639
» plan comes after and the money comes

2859
02:14:18,639 --> 02:14:21,119
after. We want that to be done before.

2860
02:14:21,119 --> 02:14:22,480
So, I think that's where we're at with

2861
02:14:22,480 --> 02:14:22,880
that.

2862
02:14:22,880 --> 02:14:26,709
>> I get that. Yeah, makes sense.

2863
02:14:26,709 --> 02:14:26,719
» I get that. Yeah, makes sense.

2864
02:14:26,719 --> 02:14:28,470
>> Okay.

2865
02:14:28,470 --> 02:14:28,480
» Okay.

2866
02:14:28,480 --> 02:14:30,639
Um,

2867
02:14:30,639 --> 02:14:33,520
are we now well educated about our

2868
02:14:33,520 --> 02:14:36,159
energy production distribution and

2869
02:14:36,159 --> 02:14:38,159
otherwise?

2870
02:14:38,159 --> 02:14:39,920
I I was just going to say, Reef, could

2871
02:14:39,920 --> 02:14:41,840
we have could we have a copy of these

2872
02:14:41,840 --> 02:14:42,400
slides?

2873
02:14:42,400 --> 02:14:43,510
>> Y

2874
02:14:43,510 --> 02:14:43,520
» Y

2875
02:14:43,520 --> 02:14:45,350
>> Mike and Caroline have them and I I just

2876
02:14:45,350 --> 02:14:45,360
» Mike and Caroline have them and I I just

2877
02:14:45,360 --> 02:14:49,119
posted my um my contact info there.

2878
02:14:49,119 --> 02:14:53,040
It'll be in the slides, but I'm

2879
02:14:53,040 --> 02:14:55,360
part of the reason why I left u

2880
02:14:55,360 --> 02:14:57,679
industry. Uh wasn't for a pay raise.

2881
02:14:57,679 --> 02:14:59,679
I'll tell you that

2882
02:14:59,679 --> 02:15:03,040
was I enjoy doing this. I enjoy um

2883
02:15:03,040 --> 02:15:04,800
getting involved in policy work and I

2884
02:15:04,800 --> 02:15:07,920
have my areas of call it blinders or or

2885
02:15:07,920 --> 02:15:10,560
weak spots and you know I look at

2886
02:15:10,560 --> 02:15:12,960
systems as a whole. I I'm not uh

2887
02:15:12,960 --> 02:15:16,000
ignorant to um the impacts on

2888
02:15:16,000 --> 02:15:18,000
communities. Um but hearing from folks

2889
02:15:18,000 --> 02:15:20,320
like you where like you pointed out uh

2890
02:15:20,320 --> 02:15:22,639
Reef King, this is where the renewable

2891
02:15:22,639 --> 02:15:24,320
development is happening and your

2892
02:15:24,320 --> 02:15:26,400
concerns, your issues, your thoughts

2893
02:15:26,400 --> 02:15:28,000
around it might differ from someone who

2894
02:15:28,000 --> 02:15:30,560
lives in inner Calgary. So I I really

2895
02:15:30,560 --> 02:15:32,159
appreciate hearing from you and feel

2896
02:15:32,159 --> 02:15:35,760
free to reach out anytime. I'm happy to

2897
02:15:35,760 --> 02:15:38,000
come back to

2898
02:15:38,000 --> 02:15:39,750
>> Yeah. Go ahead, Council Per.

2899
02:15:39,750 --> 02:15:39,760
» Yeah. Go ahead, Council Per.

2900
02:15:39,760 --> 02:15:42,069
>> I sit on the drum solid waste and

2901
02:15:42,069 --> 02:15:42,079
» I sit on the drum solid waste and

2902
02:15:42,079 --> 02:15:45,119
association and the recycling uh it

2903
02:15:45,119 --> 02:15:47,040
needs to this all needs to be on a halt

2904
02:15:47,040 --> 02:15:48,639
until it is out there like Armor, the

2905
02:15:48,639 --> 02:15:50,639
Alberta Recycling Management. That's we

2906
02:15:50,639 --> 02:15:51,840
just have to point them to that. We

2907
02:15:51,840 --> 02:15:53,679
can't even give them an answer to what

2908
02:15:53,679 --> 02:15:55,040
they're doing with them. You know what I

2909
02:15:55,040 --> 02:15:56,320
mean? Because there are lots that are

2910
02:15:56,320 --> 02:15:58,000
broken while shipped. There are some

2911
02:15:58,000 --> 02:15:59,760
that are damaged in construction and

2912
02:15:59,760 --> 02:16:01,679
some other stuff. So, that recycling

2913
02:16:01,679 --> 02:16:03,360
part is huge and as far as I'm

2914
02:16:03,360 --> 02:16:04,960
concerned, it should all be on hold

2915
02:16:04,960 --> 02:16:07,920
until there is a program in place. Um,

2916
02:16:07,920 --> 02:16:10,320
just my opinion. Sorry. But like I said,

2917
02:16:10,320 --> 02:16:11,679
I have to say to people, I don't know

2918
02:16:11,679 --> 02:16:12,880
what they're doing with it. You just

2919
02:16:12,880 --> 02:16:16,639
need to phone Alberta Armor and they'll

2920
02:16:16,639 --> 02:16:21,109
tell you what to do with those panels.

2921
02:16:21,119 --> 02:16:22,960
» Anyway, I'm going to say thank you very

2922
02:16:22,960 --> 02:16:26,960
much, uh, Blake, Dr. Schaefer. Um,

2923
02:16:26,960 --> 02:16:28,159
though you're not a medical doctor,

2924
02:16:28,159 --> 02:16:30,800
you're still a doctor. Um, we very much

2925
02:16:30,800 --> 02:16:32,559
appreciate the time that you've taken

2926
02:16:32,559 --> 02:16:34,880
and I hope you felt it was worthwhile

2927
02:16:34,880 --> 02:16:36,960
having the conversation with us. Um, we

2928
02:16:36,960 --> 02:16:38,960
certainly feel that way the information

2929
02:16:38,960 --> 02:16:41,599
is valuable to us and so thank you.

2930
02:16:41,599 --> 02:16:42,150
>> Welcome.

2931
02:16:42,150 --> 02:16:42,160
» Welcome.

2932
02:16:42,160 --> 02:16:43,910
>> Appreciate you making the trip out and

2933
02:16:43,910 --> 02:16:43,920
» Appreciate you making the trip out and

2934
02:16:43,920 --> 02:16:46,800
if you brought your electric car, we

2935
02:16:46,800 --> 02:16:50,160
wish you we wish you a safe trip home.

2936
02:16:50,160 --> 02:16:53,030
>> Yeah. A long extension cord.

2937
02:16:53,030 --> 02:16:53,040
» Yeah. A long extension cord.

2938
02:16:53,040 --> 02:16:55,760
Thank you all.

2939
02:16:55,760 --> 02:16:57,349
>> The other thing do I think with yourself

2940
02:16:57,349 --> 02:16:57,359
» The other thing do I think with yourself

2941
02:16:57,359 --> 02:16:58,800
coming out is if there's ever students

2942
02:16:58,800 --> 02:17:00,160
or whatever they should come to our

2943
02:17:00,160 --> 02:17:02,639
areas you know to to recommend to them

2944
02:17:02,639 --> 02:17:03,920
to come to rural and listen to

2945
02:17:03,920 --> 02:17:05,920
conversations like this you know because

2946
02:17:05,920 --> 02:17:07,920
it is different urban to rural

2947
02:17:07,920 --> 02:17:08,389
>> you know

2948
02:17:08,389 --> 02:17:08,399
» you know

2949
02:17:08,399 --> 02:17:10,469
>> I partic have you heard of the 10 peaks

2950
02:17:10,469 --> 02:17:10,479
» I partic have you heard of the 10 peaks

2951
02:17:10,479 --> 02:17:11,760
program

2952
02:17:11,760 --> 02:17:13,429
>> I participate in that it's very

2953
02:17:13,429 --> 02:17:13,439
» I participate in that it's very

2954
02:17:13,439 --> 02:17:17,280
interesting it's uh run out of um lome

2955
02:17:17,280 --> 02:17:19,920
and it's for rural central Alberta uh

2956
02:17:19,920 --> 02:17:22,319
high school students to get a sense

2957
02:17:22,319 --> 02:17:25,679
about energy and broadstrokes so it's

2958
02:17:25,679 --> 02:17:27,439
the person who started is you from oil

2959
02:17:27,439 --> 02:17:29,359
and gas but they're sort of wanting to

2960
02:17:29,359 --> 02:17:31,760
get kids exposure to you know why are we

2961
02:17:31,760 --> 02:17:32,960
talking about renewables why are we

2962
02:17:32,960 --> 02:17:34,319
talking about carbon capture climate

2963
02:17:34,319 --> 02:17:39,040
policy etc and um and I've gone out and

2964
02:17:39,040 --> 02:17:41,280
there's maybe 600 kids in an auditorium

2965
02:17:41,280 --> 02:17:43,840
in Lome and I give talks on

2966
02:17:43,840 --> 02:17:45,750
>> does does an electric vehicle work in

2967
02:17:45,750 --> 02:17:45,760
» does does an electric vehicle work in

2968
02:17:45,760 --> 02:17:49,200
the winter it's it's really great

2969
02:17:49,200 --> 02:17:51,760
because uh these kids ask great

2970
02:17:51,760 --> 02:17:54,800
questions I think they come away from it

2971
02:17:54,800 --> 02:17:57,200
with they they've learned something. The

2972
02:17:57,200 --> 02:17:58,639
speakers I tend to be pretty good,

2973
02:17:58,639 --> 02:18:01,359
pretty balanced. Um, so it's yeah, I

2974
02:18:01,359 --> 02:18:03,120
think it's called 10 peaks. I highly

2975
02:18:03,120 --> 02:18:04,800
recommend if if you have the opportunity

2976
02:18:04,800 --> 02:18:06,399
to connect your school system into it

2977
02:18:06,399 --> 02:18:06,719
because

2978
02:18:06,719 --> 02:18:08,230
>> can you connect with a Calgary school or

2979
02:18:08,230 --> 02:18:08,240
» can you connect with a Calgary school or

2980
02:18:08,240 --> 02:18:12,870
an Edmonton school too

2981
02:18:12,880 --> 02:18:15,040
kids realize that they can't rely on an

2982
02:18:15,040 --> 02:18:16,639
EV vehicle out here? You know what I

2983
02:18:16,639 --> 02:18:18,160
mean? So, we want to really educate

2984
02:18:18,160 --> 02:18:21,840
those urban kids um what we have to go

2985
02:18:21,840 --> 02:18:23,599
through out here that not everybody can

2986
02:18:23,599 --> 02:18:25,120
have EV, you know.

2987
02:18:25,120 --> 02:18:25,910
>> Yeah. Yeah.

2988
02:18:25,910 --> 02:18:25,920
» Yeah. Yeah.

2989
02:18:25,920 --> 02:18:28,070
>> But sorry.

2990
02:18:28,070 --> 02:18:28,080
» But sorry.

2991
02:18:28,080 --> 02:18:28,469
>> Yeah.

2992
02:18:28,469 --> 02:18:28,479
» Yeah.

2993
02:18:28,479 --> 02:18:30,709
>> Boy, obviously you've touched some

2994
02:18:30,709 --> 02:18:30,719
» Boy, obviously you've touched some

2995
02:18:30,719 --> 02:18:31,349
>> Yeah.

2996
02:18:31,349 --> 02:18:31,359
» Yeah.

2997
02:18:31,359 --> 02:18:32,389
>> 10 spots.

2998
02:18:32,389 --> 02:18:32,399
» 10 spots.

2999
02:18:32,399 --> 02:18:33,750
>> It's really positive. No, thank you a

3000
02:18:33,750 --> 02:18:33,760
» It's really positive. No, thank you a

3001
02:18:33,760 --> 02:18:35,040
lot. This is awesome. So,

3002
02:18:35,040 --> 02:18:36,389
>> all right.

3003
02:18:36,389 --> 02:18:36,399
» all right.

3004
02:18:36,399 --> 02:18:37,589
>> Okay. Council,

3005
02:18:37,589 --> 02:18:37,599
» Okay. Council,

3006
02:18:37,599 --> 02:18:39,669
>> just a comment. 30 years ago when we

3007
02:18:39,669 --> 02:18:39,679
» just a comment. 30 years ago when we

3008
02:18:39,679 --> 02:18:42,479
went from a a regular rate of power to a

3009
02:18:42,479 --> 02:18:44,319
commercial rate, we were running a big

3010
02:18:44,319 --> 02:18:46,800
hog setup. If we

3011
02:18:46,800 --> 02:18:48,800
whatever our commercial rate spiked at

3012
02:18:48,800 --> 02:18:50,319
for a month is what we were built for

3013
02:18:50,319 --> 02:18:51,599
the month. And I panicked and said,

3014
02:18:51,599 --> 02:18:55,280
"Holy, when we got it into the system,

3015
02:18:55,280 --> 02:18:57,280
our rates were 60% of what they were

3016
02:18:57,280 --> 02:18:59,840
before." So retail has an opportunity

3017
02:18:59,840 --> 02:19:02,319
here to sell that staging of charging

3018
02:19:02,319 --> 02:19:04,240
and all that kind of stuff. Just on

3019
02:19:04,240 --> 02:19:06,559
their billing part, if they the retail

3020
02:19:06,559 --> 02:19:09,359
part has to step up, not be mandated by

3021
02:19:09,359 --> 02:19:11,840
that.

3022
02:19:11,840 --> 02:19:13,589
>> But the system has to change to allow

3023
02:19:13,589 --> 02:19:13,599
» But the system has to change to allow

3024
02:19:13,599 --> 02:19:14,319
for it to

3025
02:19:14,319 --> 02:19:16,389
>> Can I just one more? Yeah, there are

3026
02:19:16,389 --> 02:19:16,399
» Can I just one more? Yeah, there are

3027
02:19:16,399 --> 02:19:18,479
some changes. The Alberta Utilities

3028
02:19:18,479 --> 02:19:20,000
Commission has actually started down a

3029
02:19:20,000 --> 02:19:22,960
pathway of trying to get more innovation

3030
02:19:22,960 --> 02:19:25,120
from the retailer front by allowing for

3031
02:19:25,120 --> 02:19:29,599
time varying rates that um

3032
02:19:29,599 --> 02:19:31,920
you know the rate varies so dramatically

3033
02:19:31,920 --> 02:19:34,399
at the wholesale level. And if you told

3034
02:19:34,399 --> 02:19:36,319
somebody that, you know, I think I've

3035
02:19:36,319 --> 02:19:38,800
translated this into gasoline prices,

3036
02:19:38,800 --> 02:19:42,000
within a day, the effective price of

3037
02:19:42,000 --> 02:19:44,160
electricity translated to gasoline would

3038
02:19:44,160 --> 02:19:46,000
range from

3039
02:19:46,000 --> 02:19:50,319
about $2 a liter to 5 cents a liter. If

3040
02:19:50,319 --> 02:19:52,080
if your gas station's fluctuating like

3041
02:19:52,080 --> 02:19:53,520
that, you got better believe people are

3042
02:19:53,520 --> 02:19:54,880
going to keep an eye on when the five

3043
02:19:54,880 --> 02:19:56,800
cent per liter prices are. And they're

3044
02:19:56,800 --> 02:19:58,399
quite predictable, too,

3045
02:19:58,399 --> 02:20:01,429
>> uh, and seen in advance. So, and and I

3046
02:20:01,429 --> 02:20:01,439
» uh, and seen in advance. So, and and I

3047
02:20:01,439 --> 02:20:02,960
think maybe that's why we're seeing such

3048
02:20:02,960 --> 02:20:05,359
flexibility on the EV charging front is

3049
02:20:05,359 --> 02:20:07,120
people have a mindset of, you know,

3050
02:20:07,120 --> 02:20:09,040
driving to Costco to save 5 cents for

3051
02:20:09,040 --> 02:20:12,000
gas. Um, if you can save, you know, get

3052
02:20:12,000 --> 02:20:14,720
your your power at half the price at

3053
02:20:14,720 --> 02:20:17,920
other times, it's pretty um sort of part

3054
02:20:17,920 --> 02:20:20,640
of our id to go do that.

3055
02:20:20,640 --> 02:20:22,309
>> Money motivates, right?

3056
02:20:22,309 --> 02:20:22,319
» Money motivates, right?

3057
02:20:22,319 --> 02:20:23,590
>> Yeah, money motivates. And there's

3058
02:20:23,590 --> 02:20:23,600
» Yeah, money motivates. And there's

3059
02:20:23,600 --> 02:20:25,120
something about saving on your fuel for

3060
02:20:25,120 --> 02:20:26,880
your car that really motivates people

3061
02:20:26,880 --> 02:20:30,560
more than anything else. Okay. Um, I'm

3062
02:20:30,560 --> 02:20:32,319
gonna allow one more question. I'm just

3063
02:20:32,319 --> 02:20:33,840
going to tell council that every

3064
02:20:33,840 --> 02:20:35,760
question we ask reduces the amount of

3065
02:20:35,760 --> 02:20:37,200
break time you're going to get.

3066
02:20:37,200 --> 02:20:38,469
>> Stop it. No, I

3067
02:20:38,469 --> 02:20:38,479
» Stop it. No, I

3068
02:20:38,479 --> 02:20:39,830
>> Go ahead, Councelor Cunningham.

3069
02:20:39,830 --> 02:20:39,840
» Go ahead, Councelor Cunningham.

3070
02:20:39,840 --> 02:20:41,270
>> Sorry. I just had to say quickly because

3071
02:20:41,270 --> 02:20:41,280
» Sorry. I just had to say quickly because

3072
02:20:41,280 --> 02:20:42,800
something you said and I'm appreciate

3073
02:20:42,800 --> 02:20:44,080
your email. I'm going to pass it on to

3074
02:20:44,080 --> 02:20:45,840
my husband because when he tells me and

3075
02:20:45,840 --> 02:20:47,200
follows me around the house and tells me

3076
02:20:47,200 --> 02:20:48,800
to shut every light off, I'm going to

3077
02:20:48,800 --> 02:20:50,319
tell him. I heard a presentation today

3078
02:20:50,319 --> 02:20:51,840
that said that doesn't affect the cost

3079
02:20:51,840 --> 02:20:53,920
of the power. So, thank you so much for

3080
02:20:53,920 --> 02:20:56,880
that. I really appreciate it. less so

3081
02:20:56,880 --> 02:20:59,760
than it used to.

3082
02:20:59,760 --> 02:21:02,309
>> Once again, thank you very much, uh, Dr.

3083
02:21:02,309 --> 02:21:02,319
» Once again, thank you very much, uh, Dr.

3084
02:21:02,319 --> 02:21:04,560
Schaefer. We very much appreciate your

3085
02:21:04,560 --> 02:21:06,479
time spent with us today and your

3086
02:21:06,479 --> 02:21:08,800
willingness to spend that time. Thank

3087
02:21:08,800 --> 02:21:09,600
you.

3088
02:21:09,600 --> 02:21:11,670
>> Welcome.

3089
02:21:11,670 --> 02:21:11,680
» Welcome.

3090
02:21:11,680 --> 02:21:12,710
>> Thank you very much.

3091
02:21:12,710 --> 02:21:12,720
» Thank you very much.

3092
02:21:12,720 --> 02:21:17,750
>> Okay. Cheers.

3093
02:21:17,760 --> 02:21:21,760
» Okay, we are going to take a 8 minute

3094
02:21:21,760 --> 02:28:56,790
break. So we are in recess to 10:35.

3095
02:28:56,800 --> 02:28:59,120
Okay, it's 10:35 and I'm going to call

3096
02:28:59,120 --> 02:29:02,319
our meeting back to order.

3097
02:29:02,319 --> 02:29:06,640
And the next item on our agenda

3098
02:29:06,640 --> 02:29:09,760
will be 6.1,

3099
02:29:09,760 --> 02:29:12,080
which is the second quarter variance

3100
02:29:12,080 --> 02:29:20,230
report.

3101
02:29:20,240 --> 02:29:24,000
So, welcome Miss Von Murbach.

3102
02:29:24,000 --> 02:29:25,680
It's been a while since we've seen you,

3103
02:29:25,680 --> 02:29:29,280
but welcome here and we look forward to

3104
02:29:29,280 --> 02:29:34,309
the information that you have for us.

3105
02:29:34,319 --> 02:29:36,080
» Good morning, council.

3106
02:29:36,080 --> 02:29:37,429
>> Morning.

3107
02:29:37,429 --> 02:29:37,439
» Morning.

3108
02:29:37,439 --> 02:29:39,270
>> Today, I'm bringing forward the second

3109
02:29:39,270 --> 02:29:39,280
» Today, I'm bringing forward the second

3110
02:29:39,280 --> 02:29:42,160
quarter variance report. Um, so this

3111
02:29:42,160 --> 02:29:45,439
report speaks to the the county's

3112
02:29:45,439 --> 02:29:47,520
progress in terms of against the budget

3113
02:29:47,520 --> 02:29:50,160
to June 30th, 2025.

3114
02:29:50,160 --> 02:29:52,479
Um, it reports on our operating budget

3115
02:29:52,479 --> 02:29:54,160
performance to date. It reports on the

3116
02:29:54,160 --> 02:29:56,000
status of all approved operating and

3117
02:29:56,000 --> 02:29:58,080
capital projects and it also provides

3118
02:29:58,080 --> 02:29:59,760
some other supplementary information on

3119
02:29:59,760 --> 02:30:03,200
key financial indicators.

3120
02:30:03,200 --> 02:30:05,280
So the first piece that I always go over

3121
02:30:05,280 --> 02:30:07,200
is appendix A, which is our operating

3122
02:30:07,200 --> 02:30:10,560
budget variance report by function. Um

3123
02:30:10,560 --> 02:30:12,399
so again, this relates to everything

3124
02:30:12,399 --> 02:30:15,680
that happened up until June 30th.

3125
02:30:15,680 --> 02:30:17,439
It at this point we're projecting a

3126
02:30:17,439 --> 02:30:19,920
$3,30,000

3127
02:30:19,920 --> 02:30:22,160
um positive variance on our budget, a

3128
02:30:22,160 --> 02:30:23,680
surplus.

3129
02:30:23,680 --> 02:30:25,600
However, most of that is actually made

3130
02:30:25,600 --> 02:30:28,399
up of kind of one-off items that aren't

3131
02:30:28,399 --> 02:30:30,960
anticipated to be a part of the budget.

3132
02:30:30,960 --> 02:30:33,680
So of that 1,382,000

3133
02:30:33,680 --> 02:30:36,880
or 44% of that variance relates to the

3134
02:30:36,880 --> 02:30:38,479
receipt of unbudgeted funds from

3135
02:30:38,479 --> 02:30:40,640
investment revenues. Um this is an

3136
02:30:40,640 --> 02:30:42,640
intentional piece and we've you've seen

3137
02:30:42,640 --> 02:30:44,399
that in the last few years where

3138
02:30:44,399 --> 02:30:46,319
council's opted to not increase

3139
02:30:46,319 --> 02:30:47,920
investment returns within the core

3140
02:30:47,920 --> 02:30:49,760
operating budget due to those returns

3141
02:30:49,760 --> 02:30:51,760
being something that fluctuates

3142
02:30:51,760 --> 02:30:53,760
depending on what's going on in the um

3143
02:30:53,760 --> 02:30:57,040
in the economy. And so that amount is

3144
02:30:57,040 --> 02:30:58,640
actually, you'll see in this report,

3145
02:30:58,640 --> 02:31:01,760
requested to be refunded into reserves.

3146
02:31:01,760 --> 02:31:03,200
And that's kind of the strategy that the

3147
02:31:03,200 --> 02:31:06,160
council's adopted that those funds um

3148
02:31:06,160 --> 02:31:09,120
build reserves rather than um fund the

3149
02:31:09,120 --> 02:31:11,359
operating budget. An additional

3150
02:31:11,359 --> 02:31:13,760
$1,120,000

3151
02:31:13,760 --> 02:31:17,280
or 35.8% of that um surplus relates to

3152
02:31:17,280 --> 02:31:18,720
the receipt of funds for the sale of

3153
02:31:18,720 --> 02:31:20,800
capital equipment. Again, this is a

3154
02:31:20,800 --> 02:31:23,600
similar item in the budget. We um budget

3155
02:31:23,600 --> 02:31:25,840
for $100,000 worth of capital equipment

3156
02:31:25,840 --> 02:31:28,399
plan sales every year, but we know that

3157
02:31:28,399 --> 02:31:30,240
that amount is not likely to be the

3158
02:31:30,240 --> 02:31:31,680
amount we get from selling capital

3159
02:31:31,680 --> 02:31:33,280
equipment and anything over and above

3160
02:31:33,280 --> 02:31:35,040
that goes into the capital equipment

3161
02:31:35,040 --> 02:31:37,600
plan reserve. And again, that's just a

3162
02:31:37,600 --> 02:31:40,080
function of keeping things stable within

3163
02:31:40,080 --> 02:31:41,600
the operating budget rather than

3164
02:31:41,600 --> 02:31:43,120
actually trying to forecast what we

3165
02:31:43,120 --> 02:31:45,120
might sell in any given year from

3166
02:31:45,120 --> 02:31:46,640
reserves and then having that be a

3167
02:31:46,640 --> 02:31:48,399
fluctuating number within our re

3168
02:31:48,399 --> 02:31:51,200
revenues each year. So when you take

3169
02:31:51,200 --> 02:31:54,000
those two kind of um isolated items off

3170
02:31:54,000 --> 02:31:55,680
that are not really a part of the core

3171
02:31:55,680 --> 02:31:58,240
operating budget variance, our remaining

3172
02:31:58,240 --> 02:32:02,070
variance is $627,621.

3173
02:32:02,080 --> 02:32:04,479
Um which represents a 1.9% overall

3174
02:32:04,479 --> 02:32:06,399
variance from the budget. Again, this is

3175
02:32:06,399 --> 02:32:08,000
forecasted to year end. So that number

3176
02:32:08,000 --> 02:32:09,760
can fluctuate when we get closer to the

3177
02:32:09,760 --> 02:32:12,319
end of the year. Um that's a fairly

3178
02:32:12,319 --> 02:32:16,399
tight amount. 1.9% is not super

3179
02:32:16,399 --> 02:32:18,160
comfortable, right? administration

3180
02:32:18,160 --> 02:32:20,000
really kind of feels that that four to

3181
02:32:20,000 --> 02:32:22,560
6% is sort of a comfortable range where

3182
02:32:22,560 --> 02:32:24,240
when you're fluctuating from the budget,

3183
02:32:24,240 --> 02:32:25,680
you know that there's some flexibility

3184
02:32:25,680 --> 02:32:28,479
within operations to handle things. Um,

3185
02:32:28,479 --> 02:32:30,160
when you start getting into those

3186
02:32:30,160 --> 02:32:32,160
smaller percentages, you're just that

3187
02:32:32,160 --> 02:32:34,160
much more at risk of going over budget

3188
02:32:34,160 --> 02:32:35,439
and things, having to come back to

3189
02:32:35,439 --> 02:32:37,520
council to readress where that operating

3190
02:32:37,520 --> 02:32:39,920
budget sits and what that looks like.

3191
02:32:39,920 --> 02:32:42,640
Um, and when that happens, that can also

3192
02:32:42,640 --> 02:32:44,960
affect how operations can happen because

3193
02:32:44,960 --> 02:32:46,479
we're we end up sitting at a place where

3194
02:32:46,479 --> 02:32:48,240
we can't do something that we might need

3195
02:32:48,240 --> 02:32:50,160
to do operationally because we don't

3196
02:32:50,160 --> 02:32:53,760
have the available budget.

3197
02:32:53,760 --> 02:32:55,280
So, with that, that's kind of your

3198
02:32:55,280 --> 02:32:57,200
overall summary of where that surplus

3199
02:32:57,200 --> 02:32:59,359
comes from. Um, when you look at

3200
02:32:59,359 --> 02:33:01,760
revenues, there's a $2.5 million favor

3201
02:33:01,760 --> 02:33:03,600
favorable variance forecasted to year

3202
02:33:03,600 --> 02:33:05,600
end. Again, most of that is those

3203
02:33:05,600 --> 02:33:06,960
investment returns and the capital

3204
02:33:06,960 --> 02:33:09,040
equipment plan sales. But on a little

3205
02:33:09,040 --> 02:33:11,760
more detail, um, license licenses and

3206
02:33:11,760 --> 02:33:14,160
permits has a $19,000 unfavorable

3207
02:33:14,160 --> 02:33:16,160
variance. So this relates to planning

3208
02:33:16,160 --> 02:33:17,600
and development permits, which are just

3209
02:33:17,600 --> 02:33:19,359
coming in lower than they were last year

3210
02:33:19,359 --> 02:33:20,880
and what we might have expected to see

3211
02:33:20,880 --> 02:33:23,359
this year. Operating grants have a

3212
02:33:23,359 --> 02:33:26,399
$7,500 unfavorable variance. Um, this

3213
02:33:26,399 --> 02:33:29,200
relates to a decrease in the ASB grant

3214
02:33:29,200 --> 02:33:32,800
support from the province. Other revenue

3215
02:33:32,800 --> 02:33:35,200
has a $4,500 favorable variance which

3216
02:33:35,200 --> 02:33:36,720
relates to water department service

3217
02:33:36,720 --> 02:33:38,319
connections and the convenience fee of

3218
02:33:38,319 --> 02:33:41,439
paid to on paid to online payments. Um

3219
02:33:41,439 --> 02:33:42,720
those water department service

3220
02:33:42,720 --> 02:33:43,840
connections are something that we

3221
02:33:43,840 --> 02:33:45,520
typically don't budget for in that

3222
02:33:45,520 --> 02:33:46,960
category again because it's something

3223
02:33:46,960 --> 02:33:48,800
that we can't really anticipate how many

3224
02:33:48,800 --> 02:33:51,200
we have. Um but it's also sorry actually

3225
02:33:51,200 --> 02:33:53,439
that comes later I lied. Ignore me on

3226
02:33:53,439 --> 02:33:55,920
that part. um those are a little bit

3227
02:33:55,920 --> 02:33:58,319
different than the stuff that comes into

3228
02:33:58,319 --> 02:34:02,319
um special taxes and frontage.

3229
02:34:02,319 --> 02:34:04,960
Sale of goods and services has a $1,300

3230
02:34:04,960 --> 02:34:07,040
unfavorable variance which has a couple

3231
02:34:07,040 --> 02:34:09,200
favorable variances and unfavorable

3232
02:34:09,200 --> 02:34:11,920
variances included. There's $13,000

3233
02:34:11,920 --> 02:34:14,000
favorable for various revenues including

3234
02:34:14,000 --> 02:34:16,000
call revenue, safety codes, dust

3235
02:34:16,000 --> 02:34:18,720
control, scrap metal sales, oil field

3236
02:34:18,720 --> 02:34:21,040
permitting, waste charges, map sales,

3237
02:34:21,040 --> 02:34:24,080
bylaw enforcement, and paid parking.

3238
02:34:24,080 --> 02:34:26,560
Um, there's $9,000 favorable variance

3239
02:34:26,560 --> 02:34:28,319
related to planning department fees. And

3240
02:34:28,319 --> 02:34:31,760
then there's a 758 $7,600 favorable

3241
02:34:31,760 --> 02:34:34,240
variance related to water charges. Then

3242
02:34:34,240 --> 02:34:36,800
there's a $31,000 unfavorable variance

3243
02:34:36,800 --> 02:34:39,760
in bulk water sales.

3244
02:34:39,760 --> 02:34:42,479
Sales to other governments has a $48,000

3245
02:34:42,479 --> 02:34:45,200
unfavorable variance. Um, this includes

3246
02:34:45,200 --> 02:34:47,840
$18,000 favorable related to the un an

3247
02:34:47,840 --> 02:34:50,560
unbudgeted transfer site agreement. a

3248
02:34:50,560 --> 02:34:52,479
$10,000 favorable variance related to

3249
02:34:52,479 --> 02:34:55,439
the Aqua 7 contract, a $75,000

3250
02:34:55,439 --> 02:34:57,359
unfavorable variance. This relates to

3251
02:34:57,359 --> 02:34:59,520
the Carbon Management Service Services

3252
02:34:59,520 --> 02:35:01,520
contract, which is not proceeding.

3253
02:35:01,520 --> 02:35:03,840
There's also a corresponding um

3254
02:35:03,840 --> 02:35:06,080
favorable variance in salaries and wages

3255
02:35:06,080 --> 02:35:08,240
related to that happening. And then

3256
02:35:08,240 --> 02:35:10,640
there's a $1,200 unfavorable variance

3257
02:35:10,640 --> 02:35:12,560
related to various revenues, including

3258
02:35:12,560 --> 02:35:14,399
dispatch services and peace officer

3259
02:35:14,399 --> 02:35:16,319
contracts.

3260
02:35:16,319 --> 02:35:18,880
Rental income has a $6,000 favorable

3261
02:35:18,880 --> 02:35:21,680
variance related to building rentals.

3262
02:35:21,680 --> 02:35:24,240
Penalties and fines has a $74,000

3263
02:35:24,240 --> 02:35:26,319
favorable variance relating to penalties

3264
02:35:26,319 --> 02:35:28,800
on property taxes. There's higher than

3265
02:35:28,800 --> 02:35:30,800
we anticipated a rear's balance is this

3266
02:35:30,800 --> 02:35:33,280
year that resulted in that.

3267
02:35:33,280 --> 02:35:35,760
Property taxes has a $12,000 unfavorable

3268
02:35:35,760 --> 02:35:37,120
variance. This just relates to

3269
02:35:37,120 --> 02:35:38,479
assessment adjustments that have

3270
02:35:38,479 --> 02:35:40,720
happened after the tax rate bylaw was

3271
02:35:40,720 --> 02:35:42,960
adopted.

3272
02:35:42,960 --> 02:35:46,000
Special taxes and frontage has a $13,500

3273
02:35:46,000 --> 02:35:48,080
favorable variance. This is where that

3274
02:35:48,080 --> 02:35:50,399
$25,000 favorable variance related to

3275
02:35:50,399 --> 02:35:53,280
riser connections. Um, they aren't

3276
02:35:53,280 --> 02:35:54,880
included in our core operating budget

3277
02:35:54,880 --> 02:35:55,840
because they're something we don't

3278
02:35:55,840 --> 02:35:57,760
really know how much to anticipate every

3279
02:35:57,760 --> 02:36:00,720
year. And council might recall in Q4, we

3280
02:36:00,720 --> 02:36:03,120
generally take anything that's above um

3281
02:36:03,120 --> 02:36:04,640
budget in those amounts and put them

3282
02:36:04,640 --> 02:36:06,160
back into the water reserve at the end

3283
02:36:06,160 --> 02:36:08,000
of the year.

3284
02:36:08,000 --> 02:36:10,080
And then there's an $11,000 unfavorable

3285
02:36:10,080 --> 02:36:12,080
variance related to the Troshu special

3286
02:36:12,080 --> 02:36:14,000
levy. Um, and this is just it was

3287
02:36:14,000 --> 02:36:16,319
budgeted last for the budget cycle. It

3288
02:36:16,319 --> 02:36:18,160
was budgeted as la last year's levy

3289
02:36:18,160 --> 02:36:19,359
amount and then the amount that we

3290
02:36:19,359 --> 02:36:21,439
actually had to levy this year is lower

3291
02:36:21,439 --> 02:36:23,680
than we expected. Um, partly because we

3292
02:36:23,680 --> 02:36:25,520
overlevied last year. So, our actual

3293
02:36:25,520 --> 02:36:27,200
amount we actually got to reduce this

3294
02:36:27,200 --> 02:36:28,960
year.

3295
02:36:28,960 --> 02:36:30,479
Then this is where we get to these two

3296
02:36:30,479 --> 02:36:32,800
big favorable variances. Return on

3297
02:36:32,800 --> 02:36:35,600
investments is that $1,382,000

3298
02:36:35,600 --> 02:36:38,319
favorable variance. again and that reli

3299
02:36:38,319 --> 02:36:40,080
relates to the preliminary reserve

3300
02:36:40,080 --> 02:36:41,680
strategy that's been presented to

3301
02:36:41,680 --> 02:36:44,319
council. Um, and motion number one

3302
02:36:44,319 --> 02:36:46,000
within this report recommends the

3303
02:36:46,000 --> 02:36:50,240
contribution of $680,7757.

3304
02:36:50,240 --> 02:36:51,760
Now, I'll note that number is different

3305
02:36:51,760 --> 02:36:53,840
than our year-end forecast. The amount

3306
02:36:53,840 --> 02:36:55,280
we're actually wanting to contribute to

3307
02:36:55,280 --> 02:36:57,040
reserves is the amount that was over and

3308
02:36:57,040 --> 02:37:00,080
above expected budget as of June 30th.

3309
02:37:00,080 --> 02:37:01,840
So, council will see when we go through

3310
02:37:01,840 --> 02:37:03,920
a fourth quarter report. Anything over

3311
02:37:03,920 --> 02:37:06,319
and above that we remain remains after

3312
02:37:06,319 --> 02:37:08,720
that point, we'll put that into reserves

3313
02:37:08,720 --> 02:37:11,359
as well. And then capital equipment plan

3314
02:37:11,359 --> 02:37:13,760
sales has that $1,120,000

3315
02:37:13,760 --> 02:37:15,920
favorable variance. And again, motion

3316
02:37:15,920 --> 02:37:17,359
number two is recommending that that

3317
02:37:17,359 --> 02:37:20,080
amount be contributed to the reserves to

3318
02:37:20,080 --> 02:37:23,120
the capital equipment plan reserve.

3319
02:37:23,120 --> 02:37:25,040
Then in terms of expense summary,

3320
02:37:25,040 --> 02:37:28,319
there's a $617,916

3321
02:37:28,319 --> 02:37:30,319
favorable variance forecasted to the end

3322
02:37:30,319 --> 02:37:33,520
of the year. Included in that contract

3323
02:37:33,520 --> 02:37:36,080
goods and services has $134,000

3324
02:37:36,080 --> 02:37:38,479
favorable variance which includes

3325
02:37:38,479 --> 02:37:40,800
$36,000 favorable relating to training

3326
02:37:40,800 --> 02:37:43,600
conferences and memberships. $25,000

3327
02:37:43,600 --> 02:37:45,280
favorable related to various items

3328
02:37:45,280 --> 02:37:48,000
across departments. This includes IT

3329
02:37:48,000 --> 02:37:49,920
contracts, public land mowing, equipment

3330
02:37:49,920 --> 02:37:51,920
rentals, bylaw enforcement, inspection

3331
02:37:51,920 --> 02:37:54,640
services, contracted gowns maintenance,

3332
02:37:54,640 --> 02:37:56,080
fire reimbursements, freight and

3333
02:37:56,080 --> 02:37:58,160
postage, and waste collection. When I

3334
02:37:58,160 --> 02:38:00,319
lump a bunch of those into one line item

3335
02:38:00,319 --> 02:38:02,000
on here, it's because each individual

3336
02:38:02,000 --> 02:38:04,000
one doesn't have a significant variance

3337
02:38:04,000 --> 02:38:06,080
to really note and it's just a little

3338
02:38:06,080 --> 02:38:08,000
bit more simplified rather than end up

3339
02:38:08,000 --> 02:38:10,640
with 50 line items explaining contract

3340
02:38:10,640 --> 02:38:12,560
goods and services. We kind of lump

3341
02:38:12,560 --> 02:38:14,479
those ones that really aggregately they

3342
02:38:14,479 --> 02:38:16,319
don't none of them independently have a

3343
02:38:16,319 --> 02:38:18,240
large variance.

3344
02:38:18,240 --> 02:38:20,399
Then there's $23,000 favorable related

3345
02:38:20,399 --> 02:38:23,760
to advertising and PR. $18,000 favorable

3346
02:38:23,760 --> 02:38:24,960
in building repair and maintenance

3347
02:38:24,960 --> 02:38:27,680
initiatives. $11,000 favorable for

3348
02:38:27,680 --> 02:38:30,479
contracted vehicle maintenance. $11,000

3349
02:38:30,479 --> 02:38:33,120
favorable related to professional fees,

3350
02:38:33,120 --> 02:38:35,280
$10,000 favorable related to Landare

3351
02:38:35,280 --> 02:38:38,000
programming, 5,000 favorable for council

3352
02:38:38,000 --> 02:38:39,680
training and development, 5,000

3353
02:38:39,680 --> 02:38:41,200
favorable for major maintenance

3354
02:38:41,200 --> 02:38:43,920
initiatives, and $10,000 unfavorable

3355
02:38:43,920 --> 02:38:46,720
related to insurance.

3356
02:38:46,720 --> 02:38:48,160
Then we look at materials, goods,

3357
02:38:48,160 --> 02:38:49,760
supplies, and utilities, which has a

3358
02:38:49,760 --> 02:38:53,520
forecasted $187,000 favorable variance.

3359
02:38:53,520 --> 02:38:55,840
includes $50,000 favorable related to

3360
02:38:55,840 --> 02:38:57,439
line painting, which is not proceeding

3361
02:38:57,439 --> 02:38:59,280
in 2025,

3362
02:38:59,280 --> 02:39:01,439
$39,000 favorable for weed control

3363
02:39:01,439 --> 02:39:04,560
chemicals, $36,000 favorable for general

3364
02:39:04,560 --> 02:39:06,399
goods, small tools, and supplies across

3365
02:39:06,399 --> 02:39:09,439
departments, $22,000 favorable in

3366
02:39:09,439 --> 02:39:11,920
utilities, $17,000 favorable in

3367
02:39:11,920 --> 02:39:13,680
miscellaneous items, including shop

3368
02:39:13,680 --> 02:39:15,439
supplies, grater blades, culverts, and

3369
02:39:15,439 --> 02:39:17,840
dust control chemicals.

3370
02:39:17,840 --> 02:39:21,040
$14,000 favorable for fuel and $9,000

3371
02:39:21,040 --> 02:39:23,040
favorable related to utility department

3372
02:39:23,040 --> 02:39:24,640
supplies.

3373
02:39:24,640 --> 02:39:26,240
When we look at salaries and wages,

3374
02:39:26,240 --> 02:39:29,680
there's a $227,000 favorable variance.

3375
02:39:29,680 --> 02:39:32,560
This includes $145,000 favorable related

3376
02:39:32,560 --> 02:39:34,479
to that management services contract not

3377
02:39:34,479 --> 02:39:37,040
proceeding. Again, that's where we were

3378
02:39:37,040 --> 02:39:38,640
anticipating collecting half of that

3379
02:39:38,640 --> 02:39:40,479
amount through revenue with that

3380
02:39:40,479 --> 02:39:42,080
contract agreement and then it's not

3381
02:39:42,080 --> 02:39:43,359
proceeding. So, you see those two

3382
02:39:43,359 --> 02:39:46,399
variances. there's an $82,000 favorable

3383
02:39:46,399 --> 02:39:48,479
variance related to core salaries, group

3384
02:39:48,479 --> 02:39:50,560
benefits, seasonal wages, overtime, and

3385
02:39:50,560 --> 02:39:52,800
employee turnover.

3386
02:39:52,800 --> 02:39:54,479
Then under provision for allowances,

3387
02:39:54,479 --> 02:39:56,960
we're looking at a $37,000 favor dollar

3388
02:39:56,960 --> 02:39:58,960
favorable variance. Um, and this is just

3389
02:39:58,960 --> 02:40:00,880
due to the anticipated tax write offs

3390
02:40:00,880 --> 02:40:02,399
for uncollectible accounts that we

3391
02:40:02,399 --> 02:40:04,880
anticipate bringing forward to council

3392
02:40:04,880 --> 02:40:07,120
at a future meeting.

3393
02:40:07,120 --> 02:40:08,800
Purchases from other governments has a

3394
02:40:08,800 --> 02:40:11,359
$9,600 unfavorable variance and this

3395
02:40:11,359 --> 02:40:12,720
relates to the Drumheller Waste

3396
02:40:12,720 --> 02:40:15,200
Commission payment increase.

3397
02:40:15,200 --> 02:40:16,720
Transfer to other governments has a

3398
02:40:16,720 --> 02:40:19,359
$36,000 favorable var variance which

3399
02:40:19,359 --> 02:40:21,280
includes variances for fire agreements

3400
02:40:21,280 --> 02:40:24,080
and the TROU special levy.

3401
02:40:24,080 --> 02:40:25,600
and then transfers to individuals and

3402
02:40:25,600 --> 02:40:27,920
organizations has a $4,500 favorable

3403
02:40:27,920 --> 02:40:30,399
variances relate to relates relating to

3404
02:40:30,399 --> 02:40:32,880
grant programming anticipated to not be

3405
02:40:32,880 --> 02:40:36,790
fully utilized.

3406
02:40:36,800 --> 02:40:40,640
Um so that finishes appendix A. Um then

3407
02:40:40,640 --> 02:40:45,040
appendix B has basically the same.

3408
02:40:45,040 --> 02:40:46,630
>> Councilor Phobes, you have a question.

3409
02:40:46,630 --> 02:40:46,640
» Councilor Phobes, you have a question.

3410
02:40:46,640 --> 02:40:48,469
>> Uh just back up underneath where it said

3411
02:40:48,469 --> 02:40:48,479
» Uh just back up underneath where it said

3412
02:40:48,479 --> 02:40:50,720
you had an unfavorable for insurance. Is

3413
02:40:50,720 --> 02:40:53,040
that across the whole organization like

3414
02:40:53,040 --> 02:40:54,560
insurance costs increased

3415
02:40:54,560 --> 02:40:55,830
>> through the chair? That is correct.

3416
02:40:55,830 --> 02:40:55,840
» through the chair? That is correct.

3417
02:40:55,840 --> 02:40:57,439
That's across the organization.

3418
02:40:57,439 --> 02:41:02,230
>> Thank you.

3419
02:41:02,240 --> 02:41:05,200
» Any other questions at this time? I'm

3420
02:41:05,200 --> 02:41:07,200
not seeing any. So if you

3421
02:41:07,200 --> 02:41:08,309
>> go ahead, please.

3422
02:41:08,309 --> 02:41:08,319
» go ahead, please.

3423
02:41:08,319 --> 02:41:11,030
>> Absolutely. So appendix B has basically

3424
02:41:11,030 --> 02:41:11,040
» Absolutely. So appendix B has basically

3425
02:41:11,040 --> 02:41:12,800
it's all about the operating budget as

3426
02:41:12,800 --> 02:41:14,640
well. It's just broken out by department

3427
02:41:14,640 --> 02:41:17,200
rather than by functional category. So,

3428
02:41:17,200 --> 02:41:18,960
I've also summarized the key driving

3429
02:41:18,960 --> 02:41:21,600
factors of by each department. Um, under

3430
02:41:21,600 --> 02:41:23,439
council, there's no revenues associated

3431
02:41:23,439 --> 02:41:26,080
with council, but there's a $16,000

3432
02:41:26,080 --> 02:41:28,000
favorable variance related to contracted

3433
02:41:28,000 --> 02:41:30,080
services and salaries.

3434
02:41:30,080 --> 02:41:32,560
There's corporate re items. So, that all

3435
02:41:32,560 --> 02:41:34,640
includes like property taxes and all the

3436
02:41:34,640 --> 02:41:35,840
things that are sort of not really

3437
02:41:35,840 --> 02:41:38,560
attributed to one specific department.

3438
02:41:38,560 --> 02:41:41,359
Has that $2,562,000

3439
02:41:41,359 --> 02:41:43,120
favorable variance. So, this relates to

3440
02:41:43,120 --> 02:41:44,720
that return on investments in capital

3441
02:41:44,720 --> 02:41:47,040
equipment plan sales. again, most of

3442
02:41:47,040 --> 02:41:48,800
both of which have motions to contribute

3443
02:41:48,800 --> 02:41:50,960
those funds into reserves. Um,

3444
02:41:50,960 --> 02:41:53,280
associated with this report, there's a

3445
02:41:53,280 --> 02:41:55,439
$52,000 favorable variance that

3446
02:41:55,439 --> 02:41:57,200
primarily relates to transfers to other

3447
02:41:57,200 --> 02:41:59,520
governments and as as well as provision

3448
02:41:59,520 --> 02:42:01,120
for allowances which are related to

3449
02:42:01,120 --> 02:42:04,000
uncollectible property taxes. The Office

3450
02:42:04,000 --> 02:42:07,040
of the CEO has that $75,000 unfavorable

3451
02:42:07,040 --> 02:42:08,560
revenue variance. Again, that's that

3452
02:42:08,560 --> 02:42:11,120
carbon management services pro not

3453
02:42:11,120 --> 02:42:13,359
proceeding. Um, conversely, there's that

3454
02:42:13,359 --> 02:42:16,000
fa there's a favorable variance um of

3455
02:42:16,000 --> 02:42:18,000
135,000 in the office of the CEO

3456
02:42:18,000 --> 02:42:20,319
department um primarily relating to the

3457
02:42:20,319 --> 02:42:22,399
management services contract and it's

3458
02:42:22,399 --> 02:42:24,240
offset by a small unfavorable variance

3459
02:42:24,240 --> 02:42:26,319
in core core salaries for the

3460
02:42:26,319 --> 02:42:28,720
department.

3461
02:42:28,720 --> 02:42:31,040
Corporate services again has no revenues

3462
02:42:31,040 --> 02:42:33,840
directly associated with that department

3463
02:42:33,840 --> 02:42:36,960
and 98 there's $98,000 of favorable

3464
02:42:36,960 --> 02:42:38,640
variance in expenditures and that

3465
02:42:38,640 --> 02:42:40,080
relates to contracted services,

3466
02:42:40,080 --> 02:42:43,920
materials and and salaries and benefits.

3467
02:42:43,920 --> 02:42:45,680
Transportation, all revenues are on

3468
02:42:45,680 --> 02:42:48,080
budget as or anticipated to be on budget

3469
02:42:48,080 --> 02:42:50,640
with no significant variances um

3470
02:42:50,640 --> 02:42:52,800
anticipated. And then expenditures have

3471
02:42:52,800 --> 02:42:55,120
a $2,600 favorable variance which

3472
02:42:55,120 --> 02:42:57,040
relates to road primarily relating to

3473
02:42:57,040 --> 02:42:58,640
roadline painting which is actually

3474
02:42:58,640 --> 02:43:00,720
offset by some unfavorable salaries,

3475
02:43:00,720 --> 02:43:03,920
insurance, and utility variances.

3476
02:43:03,920 --> 02:43:06,240
Environmental services has a $35,000

3477
02:43:06,240 --> 02:43:08,080
favorable revenue variance related to

3478
02:43:08,080 --> 02:43:10,479
the water connection fees and then a

3479
02:43:10,479 --> 02:43:13,600
$68,000 favorable variance um related to

3480
02:43:13,600 --> 02:43:15,280
contracted services, salaries,

3481
02:43:15,280 --> 02:43:17,760
materials, and supplies and offset by an

3482
02:43:17,760 --> 02:43:19,439
unfavorable variance in the Drum Hiller

3483
02:43:19,439 --> 02:43:22,000
Waste Commission payment. Facilities

3484
02:43:22,000 --> 02:43:24,560
again, no associated revenues. There's a

3485
02:43:24,560 --> 02:43:27,359
$28,000 favorable expenditure variance

3486
02:43:27,359 --> 02:43:29,120
related to contracted services,

3487
02:43:29,120 --> 02:43:31,439
salaries, and materials.

3488
02:43:31,439 --> 02:43:33,600
Enforcement has a $7,000 unfavorable

3489
02:43:33,600 --> 02:43:35,359
variance relating to fines and callout

3490
02:43:35,359 --> 02:43:38,399
services. A $16,000 favorable variance

3491
02:43:38,399 --> 02:43:40,080
related to contracted services and

3492
02:43:40,080 --> 02:43:43,279
salaries. And then fire has a $16,000

3493
02:43:43,279 --> 02:43:45,040
favorable variance related to rental

3494
02:43:45,040 --> 02:43:47,359
revenue, safety codes, and call revenue,

3495
02:43:47,359 --> 02:43:49,840
and an $11,000 favorable revenue or

3496
02:43:49,840 --> 02:43:51,439
expenditure variance relating to the

3497
02:43:51,439 --> 02:43:54,479
provincial policing payment.

3498
02:43:54,479 --> 02:43:57,040
disaster has a $2,800 favorable revenue

3499
02:43:57,040 --> 02:43:58,720
variance related to reimbursements for

3500
02:43:58,720 --> 02:44:01,680
training facilitated by the county and a

3501
02:44:01,680 --> 02:44:03,680
very small favorable expenditure

3502
02:44:03,680 --> 02:44:06,160
variance related to salaries.

3503
02:44:06,160 --> 02:44:07,760
Planning has an unfavorable revenue

3504
02:44:07,760 --> 02:44:10,479
variance of $10,000 related to licenses

3505
02:44:10,479 --> 02:44:14,000
and permits and expenses have a $14,000

3506
02:44:14,000 --> 02:44:15,840
favorable variance related to contracted

3507
02:44:15,840 --> 02:44:18,319
services and salaries.

3508
02:44:18,319 --> 02:44:21,200
Uh, agricultural services has an $10,000

3509
02:44:21,200 --> 02:44:23,040
unfavorable variance related to a

3510
02:44:23,040 --> 02:44:24,720
reduction in provincial operating grants

3511
02:44:24,720 --> 02:44:27,279
and extension programming revenues and

3512
02:44:27,279 --> 02:44:29,520
an $89,000 favorable expenditure

3513
02:44:29,520 --> 02:44:31,520
variance primarily relating to weed

3514
02:44:31,520 --> 02:44:33,359
control chemicals as well as landare

3515
02:44:33,359 --> 02:44:36,160
programming, salaries, and fuel. Parks

3516
02:44:36,160 --> 02:44:38,560
has a $2,700 unfavorable variance

3517
02:44:38,560 --> 02:44:40,720
related to the sale of services and a

3518
02:44:40,720 --> 02:44:43,120
$54,000 unfavorable variance related to

3519
02:44:43,120 --> 02:44:44,880
contracted services, materials, and

3520
02:44:44,880 --> 02:44:46,560
salaries.

3521
02:44:46,560 --> 02:44:48,640
Cemeteries has a $1,000 favorable

3522
02:44:48,640 --> 02:44:53,590
variance related to plot sales.

3523
02:44:53,600 --> 02:44:55,760
Parks has a favorable var Yeah, sorry, I

3524
02:44:55,760 --> 02:44:57,120
said unfavorable. I think that was

3525
02:44:57,120 --> 02:44:59,040
favorable. Sorry, I had to double check

3526
02:44:59,040 --> 02:45:00,640
that.

3527
02:45:00,640 --> 02:45:02,080
That should actually say favorable

3528
02:45:02,080 --> 02:45:05,600
variance under parks expenditures.

3529
02:45:05,600 --> 02:45:06,960
I was trying to figure out how the heck

3530
02:45:06,960 --> 02:45:08,240
they were over on that. I couldn't

3531
02:45:08,240 --> 02:45:10,800
figure out in my head. Sorry about that.

3532
02:45:10,800 --> 02:45:13,120
Um, and then a $1,000 favorable variance

3533
02:45:13,120 --> 02:45:15,040
related to plot sales in cemeteries and

3534
02:45:15,040 --> 02:45:16,960
an $11,000 favorable variance for

3535
02:45:16,960 --> 02:45:18,960
seasonal wages, contracted services, and

3536
02:45:18,960 --> 02:45:21,040
community grants.

3537
02:45:21,040 --> 02:45:22,479
Economic development, again, no

3538
02:45:22,479 --> 02:45:23,760
associated revenues with that

3539
02:45:23,760 --> 02:45:25,760
department. And there's an $18,000

3540
02:45:25,760 --> 02:45:27,120
favorable variance related to

3541
02:45:27,120 --> 02:45:28,800
advertising, professional fees, and

3542
02:45:28,800 --> 02:45:30,720
salaries.

3543
02:45:30,720 --> 02:45:32,240
So, that summarizes everything related

3544
02:45:32,240 --> 02:45:35,200
to the operating budget.

3545
02:45:35,200 --> 02:45:37,190
>> Um, councelor Cunningham, you have a

3546
02:45:37,190 --> 02:45:37,200
» Um, councelor Cunningham, you have a

3547
02:45:37,200 --> 02:45:40,800
question. So, um, question maybe for my,

3548
02:45:40,800 --> 02:45:42,319
um, fellow council members that are on

3549
02:45:42,319 --> 02:45:44,560
egg services. I'm just wondering what

3550
02:45:44,560 --> 02:45:46,880
was the province's reasoning for

3551
02:45:46,880 --> 02:45:49,040
reducing that provincial operating grant

3552
02:45:49,040 --> 02:45:50,399
or was there a reason given?

3553
02:45:50,399 --> 02:45:51,830
>> Was there ever a reason?

3554
02:45:51,830 --> 02:45:51,840
» Was there ever a reason?

3555
02:45:51,840 --> 02:45:54,150
>> Uh, well, um, I guess we have a

3556
02:45:54,150 --> 02:45:54,160
» Uh, well, um, I guess we have a

3557
02:45:54,160 --> 02:45:55,760
delegation this afternoon. Maybe we

3558
02:45:55,760 --> 02:45:57,359
could ask, but just just curious if

3559
02:45:57,359 --> 02:45:58,880
there was

3560
02:45:58,880 --> 02:46:00,630
>> Excellent point.

3561
02:46:00,630 --> 02:46:00,640
» Excellent point.

3562
02:46:00,640 --> 02:46:02,710
>> That program keeps getting down and down

3563
02:46:02,710 --> 02:46:02,720
» That program keeps getting down and down

3564
02:46:02,720 --> 02:46:05,680
every year. like it's they're just

3565
02:46:05,680 --> 02:46:08,800
downloading costs to the mut.

3566
02:46:08,800 --> 02:46:11,510
>> Mr. Ganon,

3567
02:46:11,510 --> 02:46:11,520
» Mr. Ganon,

3568
02:46:11,520 --> 02:46:13,190
>> thank you through the chair. I I believe

3569
02:46:13,190 --> 02:46:13,200
» thank you through the chair. I I believe

3570
02:46:13,200 --> 02:46:15,200
some of the shift is also within the

3571
02:46:15,200 --> 02:46:17,680
grants requirements and programming. Uh

3572
02:46:17,680 --> 02:46:19,279
so some of the things that used to be

3573
02:46:19,279 --> 02:46:22,080
covered uh for programming has actually

3574
02:46:22,080 --> 02:46:25,279
shifted that responsibility. So there's

3575
02:46:25,279 --> 02:46:27,200
been some changes within the actual

3576
02:46:27,200 --> 02:46:28,800
programming of what the grant can

3577
02:46:28,800 --> 02:46:31,359
actually cover versus uh what it

3578
02:46:31,359 --> 02:46:33,439
actually does now. So that's where some

3579
02:46:33,439 --> 02:46:35,439
of the shift in that funding uh actually

3580
02:46:35,439 --> 02:46:40,070
came from as well.

3581
02:46:40,080 --> 02:46:43,200
» And I had a question on the policing. Um

3582
02:46:43,200 --> 02:46:45,680
so does that mean that we paid less for

3583
02:46:45,680 --> 02:46:48,080
policing than we anticipated?

3584
02:46:48,080 --> 02:46:49,670
>> Uh my understanding is we are

3585
02:46:49,670 --> 02:46:49,680
» Uh my understanding is we are

3586
02:46:49,680 --> 02:46:52,000
anticipated to pay marginally less. We

3587
02:46:52,000 --> 02:46:53,840
haven't actually seen so they bill from

3588
02:46:53,840 --> 02:46:56,960
March till like April 1st to March 31st.

3589
02:46:56,960 --> 02:47:00,080
My understanding is it's slightly down.

3590
02:47:00,080 --> 02:47:01,750
>> So we're anticipating that they're

3591
02:47:01,750 --> 02:47:01,760
» So we're anticipating that they're

3592
02:47:01,760 --> 02:47:03,439
continuing that pattern.

3593
02:47:03,439 --> 02:47:05,670
>> Yes. I don't know that it'll continue to

3594
02:47:05,670 --> 02:47:05,680
» Yes. I don't know that it'll continue to

3595
02:47:05,680 --> 02:47:08,560
go down. It doesn't seem that we've seen

3596
02:47:08,560 --> 02:47:11,359
an increase from what we had originally

3597
02:47:11,359 --> 02:47:13,760
told us that that we'd top out on.

3598
02:47:13,760 --> 02:47:16,389
>> So, from what we budgeted anticipating

3599
02:47:16,389 --> 02:47:16,399
» So, from what we budgeted anticipating

3600
02:47:16,399 --> 02:47:19,200
the province was going to ask for, we're

3601
02:47:19,200 --> 02:47:21,439
seeing a slight reduction from what we

3602
02:47:21,439 --> 02:47:22,800
thought we might see.

3603
02:47:22,800 --> 02:47:23,750
>> That is correct.

3604
02:47:23,750 --> 02:47:23,760
» That is correct.

3605
02:47:23,760 --> 02:47:33,750
>> Okay. Thank you.

3606
02:47:33,760 --> 02:47:35,520
I don't see any other questions right

3607
02:47:35,520 --> 02:47:37,840
now, so I think you're good to go

3608
02:47:37,840 --> 02:47:38,720
forward.

3609
02:47:38,720 --> 02:47:40,710
>> Okay. Um, then we move on to operating

3610
02:47:40,710 --> 02:47:40,720
» Okay. Um, then we move on to operating

3611
02:47:40,720 --> 02:47:42,800
projects. So, there's 23 operating

3612
02:47:42,800 --> 02:47:45,359
projects included in the 2025 budget.

3613
02:47:45,359 --> 02:47:46,640
This includes projects that were

3614
02:47:46,640 --> 02:47:48,720
approved within the 2025 budget and any

3615
02:47:48,720 --> 02:47:51,680
that were carried forward from 2024. Of

3616
02:47:51,680 --> 02:47:54,399
that 17 have no projected variance based

3617
02:47:54,399 --> 02:47:56,800
on the project progress as of June 30th

3618
02:47:56,800 --> 02:47:58,560
and six are projected to be completed

3619
02:47:58,560 --> 02:48:01,840
under budget.

3620
02:48:01,840 --> 02:48:03,520
And because all those projects are

3621
02:48:03,520 --> 02:48:05,279
funded out of reserves, anything that is

3622
02:48:05,279 --> 02:48:06,720
completed under budget, that is just

3623
02:48:06,720 --> 02:48:08,399
money that will stay in reserves rather

3624
02:48:08,399 --> 02:48:10,800
than being pulled out. So we actually

3625
02:48:10,800 --> 02:48:12,880
don't pull that money officially out. We

3626
02:48:12,880 --> 02:48:14,560
allocated that it's coming out, but

3627
02:48:14,560 --> 02:48:16,160
until we actually expenditure, we don't

3628
02:48:16,160 --> 02:48:19,200
pull them directly out of reserves.

3629
02:48:19,200 --> 02:48:21,040
And then for capital projects, we have

3630
02:48:21,040 --> 02:48:24,160
30 capital projects in 2025. Um, and

3631
02:48:24,160 --> 02:48:26,479
again, 16 have no projected variance um,

3632
02:48:26,479 --> 02:48:28,319
based on the project progress as of June

3633
02:48:28,319 --> 02:48:30,560
30th, and 14 are projected to be

3634
02:48:30,560 --> 02:48:33,120
completed under budget.

3635
02:48:33,120 --> 02:48:36,080
Um, cash and investment summary, we

3636
02:48:36,080 --> 02:48:38,160
continue to generate reasonably strong

3637
02:48:38,160 --> 02:48:40,080
rates of return on investments, not like

3638
02:48:40,080 --> 02:48:42,399
we saw maybe a year or two ago. Um,

3639
02:48:42,399 --> 02:48:44,000
currently we're looking at a range of

3640
02:48:44,000 --> 02:48:47,279
3.3% to 6.05%.

3641
02:48:47,279 --> 02:48:48,720
And these returns are going to decrease

3642
02:48:48,720 --> 02:48:50,479
a bit in third quarter due to decreases

3643
02:48:50,479 --> 02:48:51,840
in the prime interest rate and the

3644
02:48:51,840 --> 02:48:54,240
renewal of GIC's at rates lower than we

3645
02:48:54,240 --> 02:48:57,760
achieved from recent years.

3646
02:48:57,760 --> 02:48:59,600
And then the reserve continuity again is

3647
02:48:59,600 --> 02:49:02,160
always included in ter just to show um

3648
02:49:02,160 --> 02:49:04,000
what the available balances of reserves

3649
02:49:04,000 --> 02:49:05,439
and what those transactions are looking

3650
02:49:05,439 --> 02:49:08,000
like. Um the reserves are only ever

3651
02:49:08,000 --> 02:49:09,439
touched if council approves new

3652
02:49:09,439 --> 02:49:11,439
contributions, expenditures or amends

3653
02:49:11,439 --> 02:49:13,920
project budgets um or projects are

3654
02:49:13,920 --> 02:49:15,520
completed under budget then that money

3655
02:49:15,520 --> 02:49:18,160
returns. So when council looks at the

3656
02:49:18,160 --> 02:49:20,240
2025 available balance is really the

3657
02:49:20,240 --> 02:49:22,880
unallocated balance. Nothing has like no

3658
02:49:22,880 --> 02:49:24,399
commitments have been made out of that

3659
02:49:24,399 --> 02:49:26,640
amount. And then the projected ending

3660
02:49:26,640 --> 02:49:28,399
balance takes into account the motions

3661
02:49:28,399 --> 02:49:29,840
that we're recommending within this

3662
02:49:29,840 --> 02:49:32,399
report and also takes into account

3663
02:49:32,399 --> 02:49:35,439
potential like our projected underbudget

3664
02:49:35,439 --> 02:49:37,120
projects but those won't be realized

3665
02:49:37,120 --> 02:49:38,640
until we actually finalize those

3666
02:49:38,640 --> 02:49:41,439
projects.

3667
02:49:41,439 --> 02:49:43,760
And that is the end of my second quarter

3668
02:49:43,760 --> 02:49:45,359
variance report. Unless there are

3669
02:49:45,359 --> 02:49:46,560
further questions.

3670
02:49:46,560 --> 02:49:51,110
>> All right, questions um related to

3671
02:49:51,110 --> 02:49:51,120
» All right, questions um related to

3672
02:49:51,120 --> 02:49:55,269
second quarter variance.

3673
02:49:55,279 --> 02:50:02,309
Clear as mud.

3674
02:50:02,319 --> 02:50:04,720
Okay, I'm not

3675
02:50:04,720 --> 02:50:10,000
seeing any questions at this point.

3676
02:50:10,000 --> 02:50:15,359
So um we want um motion about the

3677
02:50:15,359 --> 02:50:17,040
contribution

3678
02:50:17,040 --> 02:50:21,680
uh to the reserve and the cap the two

3679
02:50:21,680 --> 02:50:23,120
different reserves the parks and the

3680
02:50:23,120 --> 02:50:29,670
capital equipment plan. Okay.

3681
02:50:29,680 --> 02:50:32,080
» Councelor Penner. So, I'll start off. I

3682
02:50:32,080 --> 02:50:33,359
make the first motion that council

3683
02:50:33,359 --> 02:50:37,279
approves the contribution of $680,757

3684
02:50:37,279 --> 02:50:40,080
to the parks reserve in relation to

3685
02:50:40,080 --> 02:50:43,520
investment returns.

3686
02:50:43,520 --> 02:50:46,630
>> Okay. So, this is the revenue that we've

3687
02:50:46,630 --> 02:50:46,640
» Okay. So, this is the revenue that we've

3688
02:50:46,640 --> 02:50:49,040
generated on the investment side and the

3689
02:50:49,040 --> 02:50:50,960
recommendation is at this point that go

3690
02:50:50,960 --> 02:50:53,760
into the parks reserve. Okay. Just to be

3691
02:50:53,760 --> 02:50:57,840
clear, any questions or discussion

3692
02:50:57,840 --> 02:50:59,920
related to the motion to approve a

3693
02:50:59,920 --> 02:51:03,359
contribution of $680,757

3694
02:51:03,359 --> 02:51:06,000
to the parks reserve in relation to

3695
02:51:06,000 --> 02:51:08,399
investment returns. Any questions,

3696
02:51:08,399 --> 02:51:11,120
comment?

3697
02:51:11,120 --> 02:51:13,200
Not seeing any. So I am going to ask the

3698
02:51:13,200 --> 02:51:16,560
question. All those in favor

3699
02:51:16,560 --> 02:51:19,359
and that is carried unanimously. Thank

3700
02:51:19,359 --> 02:51:21,200
you,

3701
02:51:21,200 --> 02:51:24,630
Councelor Wtock.

3702
02:51:24,640 --> 02:51:26,800
And I would like to move that council

3703
02:51:26,800 --> 02:51:32,950
approve a contribution of 1,120,898

3704
02:51:32,960 --> 02:51:35,600
to the capital equipment plan reserve in

3705
02:51:35,600 --> 02:51:37,680
relation to the sale of capital

3706
02:51:37,680 --> 02:51:40,710
equipment.

3707
02:51:40,720 --> 02:51:43,520
All right.

3708
02:51:43,520 --> 02:51:50,469
So equipment sales are good, eh?

3709
02:51:50,479 --> 02:51:52,640
All right. So, we do have a motion to

3710
02:51:52,640 --> 02:51:58,790
approve a contribution of 1,120,898

3711
02:51:58,800 --> 02:52:01,359
to the capital equipment plan reserve in

3712
02:52:01,359 --> 02:52:03,200
relation to the sale of capital

3713
02:52:03,200 --> 02:52:06,080
equipment. So, revenues generated by

3714
02:52:06,080 --> 02:52:08,000
capital equipment sales going back to

3715
02:52:08,000 --> 02:52:10,720
the capital equipment reserve.

3716
02:52:10,720 --> 02:52:14,960
Any questions, discussion, or comment?

3717
02:52:14,960 --> 02:52:16,399
Okay, I'm not seeing any, so I'm going

3718
02:52:16,399 --> 02:52:19,920
to ask the question. All those in favor?

3719
02:52:19,920 --> 02:52:23,600
And that is also carried unanimously.

3720
02:52:23,600 --> 02:52:27,030
Um,

3721
02:52:27,040 --> 02:52:29,840
and do we need a motion to just approve

3722
02:52:29,840 --> 02:52:34,000
the second quarter variance report as

3723
02:52:34,000 --> 02:52:37,030
presented?

3724
02:52:37,040 --> 02:52:37,840
» Mr. Hogan,

3725
02:52:37,840 --> 02:52:39,349
>> through the chair, I think we usually do

3726
02:52:39,349 --> 02:52:39,359
» through the chair, I think we usually do

3727
02:52:39,359 --> 02:52:40,800
get one. Technically, you don't. You've

3728
02:52:40,800 --> 02:52:42,399
made motions and actioned it, but I

3729
02:52:42,399 --> 02:52:44,080
think historically, we've had one.

3730
02:52:44,080 --> 02:52:48,230
>> Okay. So, then I would look A motion to

3731
02:52:48,230 --> 02:52:48,240
» Okay. So, then I would look A motion to

3732
02:52:48,240 --> 02:52:50,319
uh receive the second quarter variance

3733
02:52:50,319 --> 02:52:53,040
report as presented.

3734
02:52:53,040 --> 02:52:53,990
>> Councelor Christie.

3735
02:52:53,990 --> 02:52:54,000
» Councelor Christie.

3736
02:52:54,000 --> 02:53:02,150
>> So moved.

3737
02:53:02,160 --> 02:53:03,920
» Okay. We have a motion to receive the

3738
02:53:03,920 --> 02:53:05,760
second quarter variance report as

3739
02:53:05,760 --> 02:53:09,120
presented or for information.

3740
02:53:09,120 --> 02:53:13,520
Um any questions, comment, discussion?

3741
02:53:13,520 --> 02:53:17,279
If not, all those in favor and that is

3742
02:53:17,279 --> 02:53:19,520
also carried unanimously.

3743
02:53:19,520 --> 02:53:21,680
And thank you very much, Miss Von

3744
02:53:21,680 --> 02:53:24,399
Murbach. And you can tell everyone in

3745
02:53:24,399 --> 02:53:25,680
the background there who's doing all

3746
02:53:25,680 --> 02:53:27,359
that hard work, thank you on behalf of

3747
02:53:27,359 --> 02:53:29,520
council.

3748
02:53:29,520 --> 02:53:32,000
Thank you.

3749
02:53:32,000 --> 02:53:34,960
Okay, we have a delegation in three

3750
02:53:34,960 --> 02:53:38,800
seconds. Um, the Ballard group.

3751
02:53:38,800 --> 02:53:40,800
So, we're going to take a small uh

3752
02:53:40,800 --> 02:53:44,880
recess to allow them to get set up. Um,

3753
02:53:44,880 --> 02:53:49,600
and please hear me say small recess.

3754
02:53:49,600 --> 02:56:19,590
>> Absolutely.

3755
02:56:19,600 --> 02:56:24,560
All right, it's 11:02 and I am going to

3756
02:56:24,560 --> 02:56:29,439
um call our meeting back to order. Um

3757
02:56:29,439 --> 02:56:33,439
and I guess I'm going to say welcome. Um

3758
02:56:33,439 --> 02:56:36,479
if I get your name wrong, is it Batty?

3759
02:56:36,479 --> 02:56:37,269
>> Yes.

3760
02:56:37,269 --> 02:56:37,279
» Yes.

3761
02:56:37,279 --> 02:56:39,990
>> Okay. And Miss McCaffrey.

3762
02:56:39,990 --> 02:56:40,000
» Okay. And Miss McCaffrey.

3763
02:56:40,000 --> 02:56:40,389
>> Yep.

3764
02:56:40,389 --> 02:56:40,399
» Yep.

3765
02:56:40,399 --> 02:56:43,510
>> Okay. Welcome here. Before I get you to

3766
02:56:43,510 --> 02:56:43,520
» Okay. Welcome here. Before I get you to

3767
02:56:43,520 --> 02:56:45,600
And of course,

3768
02:56:45,600 --> 02:56:48,560
Fallon, welcome. U before I get you to

3769
02:56:48,560 --> 02:56:50,160
start your presentation, I'm just going

3770
02:56:50,160 --> 02:56:52,960
to get um the people in this room here

3771
02:56:52,960 --> 02:56:55,200
to introduce themselves to you and then

3772
02:56:55,200 --> 02:56:56,720
if you would just give us a brief

3773
02:56:56,720 --> 02:56:58,640
introduction and then your presentation,

3774
02:56:58,640 --> 02:57:00,960
that would be greatly appreciated. So,

3775
02:57:00,960 --> 02:57:02,560
I'll start with you, Councelor

3776
02:57:02,560 --> 02:57:05,760
Cunningham, if you would please. And

3777
02:57:05,760 --> 02:57:07,110
>> good morning. Thanks for being here.

3778
02:57:07,110 --> 02:57:07,120
» good morning. Thanks for being here.

3779
02:57:07,120 --> 02:57:08,640
Laura Lee Michelle Cunningham, Division

3780
02:57:08,640 --> 02:57:10,800
5. And I was lucky enough to meet you

3781
02:57:10,800 --> 02:57:13,120
folks on last Wednesday night at Three

3782
02:57:13,120 --> 02:57:14,800
Hills Discovery Night. So nice to see

3783
02:57:14,800 --> 02:57:17,279
you again.

3784
02:57:17,279 --> 02:57:19,110
>> Good morning. Uh Jerry Witstock,

3785
02:57:19,110 --> 02:57:19,120
» Good morning. Uh Jerry Witstock,

3786
02:57:19,120 --> 02:57:20,960
division three. That's the Acne London

3787
02:57:20,960 --> 02:57:22,399
area.

3788
02:57:22,399 --> 02:57:24,150
>> Good morning, Debbie. I'm in division

3789
02:57:24,150 --> 02:57:24,160
» Good morning, Debbie. I'm in division

3790
02:57:24,160 --> 02:57:27,040
two in the Swallow area.

3791
02:57:27,040 --> 02:57:29,190
>> And I'm Ken King and I represent

3792
02:57:29,190 --> 02:57:29,200
» And I'm Ken King and I represent

3793
02:57:29,200 --> 02:57:31,279
division seven, which is basically the

3794
02:57:31,279 --> 02:57:33,840
northeast portion. So kind of Troshu

3795
02:57:33,840 --> 02:57:35,920
north and east of Troshu to the river

3796
02:57:35,920 --> 02:57:38,800
Buffalo Jump that area.

3797
02:57:38,800 --> 02:57:40,309
>> Good morning. I'm Fay McGee, division

3798
02:57:40,309 --> 02:57:40,319
» Good morning. I'm Fay McGee, division

3799
02:57:40,319 --> 02:57:43,200
one. So that's the southeast corner that

3800
02:57:43,200 --> 02:57:46,720
comes right up to the drum area.

3801
02:57:46,720 --> 02:57:49,429
>> Good morning folks, division 4.

3802
02:57:49,429 --> 02:57:49,439
» Good morning folks, division 4.

3803
02:57:49,439 --> 02:57:51,269
>> Wade Christie, division 6. So I'm in the

3804
02:57:51,269 --> 02:57:51,279
» Wade Christie, division 6. So I'm in the

3805
02:57:51,279 --> 02:57:53,040
northwest corner.

3806
02:57:53,040 --> 02:57:54,469
>> Go ahead, Mr. Hogan.

3807
02:57:54,469 --> 02:57:54,479
» Go ahead, Mr. Hogan.

3808
02:57:54,479 --> 02:57:55,590
>> Morning. Mike Hogan, chief

3809
02:57:55,590 --> 02:57:55,600
» Morning. Mike Hogan, chief

3810
02:57:55,600 --> 02:57:57,520
administrative officer.

3811
02:57:57,520 --> 02:57:58,950
>> Good morning. Carolyn Vanderl,

3812
02:57:58,950 --> 02:57:58,960
» Good morning. Carolyn Vanderl,

3813
02:57:58,960 --> 02:58:01,359
legislative services legislative

3814
02:58:01,359 --> 02:58:04,240
services manager.

3815
02:58:04,240 --> 02:58:06,070
>> Good morning, Kevin Ganon. Nice to see

3816
02:58:06,070 --> 02:58:06,080
» Good morning, Kevin Ganon. Nice to see

3817
02:58:06,080 --> 02:58:08,399
you again. Hey, morning folks. Mike Zer,

3818
02:58:08,399 --> 02:58:10,319
director of infrastructure.

3819
02:58:10,319 --> 02:58:11,590
>> Good morning, Theresa Cochran, director

3820
02:58:11,590 --> 02:58:11,600
» Good morning, Theresa Cochran, director

3821
02:58:11,600 --> 02:58:14,160
of corporate services.

3822
02:58:14,160 --> 02:58:16,070
>> All right, so I'll turn it over to the

3823
02:58:16,070 --> 02:58:16,080
» All right, so I'll turn it over to the

3824
02:58:16,080 --> 02:58:20,399
three of you. Um, and uh, welcome here

3825
02:58:20,399 --> 02:58:22,720
and uh, anytime you're ready.

3826
02:58:22,720 --> 02:58:24,469
>> Perfect. Thank you so much. Thank you

3827
02:58:24,469 --> 02:58:24,479
» Perfect. Thank you so much. Thank you

3828
02:58:24,479 --> 02:58:25,920
all for uh, for having us and

3829
02:58:25,920 --> 02:58:28,399
introducing yourselves. Good morning. My

3830
02:58:28,399 --> 02:58:30,880
name is Assad Bati. I am a senior

3831
02:58:30,880 --> 02:58:32,720
associate with the ballot group. And on

3832
02:58:32,720 --> 02:58:33,840
this project that we're going to be

3833
02:58:33,840 --> 02:58:35,840
presenting about, I am the research

3834
02:58:35,840 --> 02:58:37,520
lead. So, I'm taking care of things like

3835
02:58:37,520 --> 02:58:40,000
methodology, uh, execution of the

3836
02:58:40,000 --> 02:58:42,000
project and ultimately the strategy that

3837
02:58:42,000 --> 02:58:43,600
we're going to be drafting at the end of

3838
02:58:43,600 --> 02:58:45,760
things. I'll let my colleague here, Bri,

3839
02:58:45,760 --> 02:58:49,990
introduce herself as well.

3840
02:58:50,000 --> 02:58:52,240
» Um, yep. So, my name is Bri. Um, I'm a

3841
02:58:52,240 --> 02:58:54,399
research analyst with uh with Ballad.

3842
02:58:54,399 --> 02:58:56,240
Um, I have a background in recreation,

3843
02:58:56,240 --> 02:58:58,640
sport, and tourism. Um, so that will be

3844
02:58:58,640 --> 02:59:02,000
my main role with this project. Um, and

3845
02:59:02,000 --> 02:59:03,600
yeah, I've been with Ballad for about a

3846
02:59:03,600 --> 02:59:06,640
year now. And, um, yeah, very excited to

3847
02:59:06,640 --> 02:59:07,920
be working on this project and meeting

3848
02:59:07,920 --> 02:59:12,389
all of you today.

3849
02:59:12,399 --> 02:59:13,120
Sorry.

3850
02:59:13,120 --> 02:59:15,190
>> And I'm Fallon Sherlock. I am just here

3851
02:59:15,190 --> 02:59:15,200
» And I'm Fallon Sherlock. I am just here

3852
02:59:15,200 --> 02:59:18,000
as support uh, as uh, they provide the

3853
02:59:18,000 --> 02:59:21,520
presentation and the information.

3854
02:59:21,520 --> 02:59:23,670
>> Perfect. So yeah, without further ado, I

3855
02:59:23,670 --> 02:59:23,680
» Perfect. So yeah, without further ado, I

3856
02:59:23,680 --> 02:59:25,200
think we can get started. So yeah, we're

3857
02:59:25,200 --> 02:59:26,800
going to be talking today about the

3858
02:59:26,800 --> 02:59:28,720
parks and recreation needs assessment

3859
02:59:28,720 --> 02:59:30,399
that we are working on. Uh this

3860
02:59:30,399 --> 02:59:32,000
presentation is going to be a project

3861
02:59:32,000 --> 02:59:34,319
brief. So it's to provide information on

3862
02:59:34,319 --> 02:59:36,319
exactly what's happening here, uh who we

3863
02:59:36,319 --> 02:59:38,560
are exactly what's our methodology, what

3864
02:59:38,560 --> 02:59:40,960
has been done so far, some timelines and

3865
02:59:40,960 --> 02:59:45,840
next steps. So we'll get started. Um in

3866
02:59:45,840 --> 02:59:48,160
the agenda exactly like I had mentioned

3867
02:59:48,160 --> 02:59:49,200
you can see that we're going to start

3868
02:59:49,200 --> 02:59:51,279
with a company background work on

3869
02:59:51,279 --> 02:59:53,279
talking about the project team and an

3870
02:59:53,279 --> 02:59:55,840
overview of the project as well. We're

3871
02:59:55,840 --> 02:59:56,800
then going to be talking about

3872
02:59:56,800 --> 02:59:59,120
methodology specifically engagement

3873
02:59:59,120 --> 03:00:01,040
because there is a uh significant

3874
03:00:01,040 --> 03:00:03,040
engagement uh goal that we have in this

3875
03:00:03,040 --> 03:00:04,399
project that I'll talk a little bit more

3876
03:00:04,399 --> 03:00:07,200
about later. Uh the project schedule and

3877
03:00:07,200 --> 03:00:08,640
then next steps about what we're going

3878
03:00:08,640 --> 03:00:11,600
to be doing.

3879
03:00:11,600 --> 03:00:13,200
So, first of all, I'll talk a little bit

3880
03:00:13,200 --> 03:00:14,800
more about Ballot Group, the company

3881
03:00:14,800 --> 03:00:17,520
that both me and Bri are from. So, we're

3882
03:00:17,520 --> 03:00:20,319
a Alberta based consulting firm. Uh, we

3883
03:00:20,319 --> 03:00:22,399
operate out of six offices across the

3884
03:00:22,399 --> 03:00:25,920
province and we have over 60 staff. Um,

3885
03:00:25,920 --> 03:00:29,279
Ballot Group is a um a company that's,

3886
03:00:29,279 --> 03:00:31,520
you know, since 2012, we worked on both

3887
03:00:31,520 --> 03:00:34,160
things to do with employment services as

3888
03:00:34,160 --> 03:00:36,319
well as consulting. And consulting is

3889
03:00:36,319 --> 03:00:39,040
the team that me and Bri are a part of.

3890
03:00:39,040 --> 03:00:41,600
In consulting, we've worked on over 400

3891
03:00:41,600 --> 03:00:44,880
projects uh since 2012 as mentioned in

3892
03:00:44,880 --> 03:00:46,720
different areas including community

3893
03:00:46,720 --> 03:00:50,080
development, tourism, recreation,

3894
03:00:50,080 --> 03:00:52,319
housing, economic development, strategic

3895
03:00:52,319 --> 03:00:56,000
planning, and other um areas as well.

3896
03:00:56,000 --> 03:00:57,840
We're really well verssed especially in

3897
03:00:57,840 --> 03:01:00,800
strategy development and needs analysis

3898
03:01:00,800 --> 03:01:04,319
which are both relevant um areas for

3899
03:01:04,319 --> 03:01:06,960
this project that we're working on. Now,

3900
03:01:06,960 --> 03:01:09,439
our approach generally across all these

3901
03:01:09,439 --> 03:01:11,920
different fields is a listen first and

3902
03:01:11,920 --> 03:01:14,399
then react philosophy. We're very much

3903
03:01:14,399 --> 03:01:16,720
about making sure that we're not doing

3904
03:01:16,720 --> 03:01:18,640
cookie cutter solutions, for example, or

3905
03:01:18,640 --> 03:01:20,399
using too many templates or things like

3906
03:01:20,399 --> 03:01:23,040
that. We really want to ensure that we

3907
03:01:23,040 --> 03:01:24,960
are understanding, acknowledging, and

3908
03:01:24,960 --> 03:01:26,800
acting on the fact that each community

3909
03:01:26,800 --> 03:01:28,800
and each project we work on is unique

3910
03:01:28,800 --> 03:01:30,319
and different.

3911
03:01:30,319 --> 03:01:33,040
uh there's um going to be specific needs

3912
03:01:33,040 --> 03:01:35,279
that we have to take into account for

3913
03:01:35,279 --> 03:01:37,760
every single project that we work on and

3914
03:01:37,760 --> 03:01:40,160
we take that to heart and ensure that

3915
03:01:40,160 --> 03:01:42,080
all of our project methodologies are

3916
03:01:42,080 --> 03:01:44,800
tailored specifically for the client

3917
03:01:44,800 --> 03:01:47,439
that we're working with at that time.

3918
03:01:47,439 --> 03:01:49,840
Our focus is to be engagementdriven. So

3919
03:01:49,840 --> 03:01:52,080
we want to ensure that engagement is a

3920
03:01:52,080 --> 03:01:54,319
key focus in all of our methodology and

3921
03:01:54,319 --> 03:01:56,399
we want to be evidence-based. We want to

3922
03:01:56,399 --> 03:02:00,080
ultimately conclude um make conclusions

3923
03:02:00,080 --> 03:02:02,560
and draft strategies and recommendations

3924
03:02:02,560 --> 03:02:04,880
that are based in the reality of what we

3925
03:02:04,880 --> 03:02:07,439
have found throughout the project.

3926
03:02:07,439 --> 03:02:09,120
And then in terms of our experience, we

3927
03:02:09,120 --> 03:02:10,880
have worked across the province and also

3928
03:02:10,880 --> 03:02:12,720
in Saskatchewan and in BC and other

3929
03:02:12,720 --> 03:02:15,200
areas as well with municipalities,

3930
03:02:15,200 --> 03:02:17,200
indigenous governments, community

3931
03:02:17,200 --> 03:02:20,160
organizations, nonprofits, so on and so

3932
03:02:20,160 --> 03:02:21,840
forth. uh we have worked with a lot of

3933
03:02:21,840 --> 03:02:23,359
different groups basically in a lot of

3934
03:02:23,359 --> 03:02:25,920
different places especially in rural

3935
03:02:25,920 --> 03:02:27,920
areas of the province which we'll talk a

3936
03:02:27,920 --> 03:02:29,600
little bit more about when we go into

3937
03:02:29,600 --> 03:02:32,080
our team.

3938
03:02:32,080 --> 03:02:34,640
So um I won't go and give the whole

3939
03:02:34,640 --> 03:02:37,040
spiel of uh basically everything but as

3940
03:02:37,040 --> 03:02:39,359
for myself um I'm a senior associate

3941
03:02:39,359 --> 03:02:41,439
here at ballad my experience is that I

3942
03:02:41,439 --> 03:02:43,040
was previously the director of housing

3943
03:02:43,040 --> 03:02:44,960
at the rural development network for the

3944
03:02:44,960 --> 03:02:47,040
sustainable housing initiative where I

3945
03:02:47,040 --> 03:02:48,960
work primarily in affordable housing

3946
03:02:48,960 --> 03:02:50,960
developments. Um because of this

3947
03:02:50,960 --> 03:02:53,359
experience I have a lot of um uh

3948
03:02:53,359 --> 03:02:56,399
knowledge and uh knowithal about the

3949
03:02:56,399 --> 03:02:58,160
specific let's say challenges and

3950
03:02:58,160 --> 03:02:59,680
circumstances that a lot of rural

3951
03:02:59,680 --> 03:03:01,680
communities face across the province.

3952
03:03:01,680 --> 03:03:03,680
And so I'm able to making sure that that

3953
03:03:03,680 --> 03:03:05,760
context is taken into account when

3954
03:03:05,760 --> 03:03:08,000
working on different projects that um we

3955
03:03:08,000 --> 03:03:11,200
work on here at Ballad. Erin, who wasn't

3956
03:03:11,200 --> 03:03:13,359
able to make it today is our engagement

3957
03:03:13,359 --> 03:03:16,560
lead. Um so he's an IAP2 trained

3958
03:03:16,560 --> 03:03:18,319
engagement facilitator and what that

3959
03:03:18,319 --> 03:03:19,760
means is that he's able to ensure that

3960
03:03:19,760 --> 03:03:22,240
when we are conducting engagement doing

3961
03:03:22,240 --> 03:03:24,399
things like surveys, focus groups, so on

3962
03:03:24,399 --> 03:03:25,760
and so forth. We'll learn more about

3963
03:03:25,760 --> 03:03:28,399
that later on that we are completing

3964
03:03:28,399 --> 03:03:31,200
them with a level of expertise that's

3965
03:03:31,200 --> 03:03:33,840
required for wholesome engagement but

3966
03:03:33,840 --> 03:03:35,920
also at the same time in a way that's

3967
03:03:35,920 --> 03:03:37,920
going to ensure that the outcomes we are

3968
03:03:37,920 --> 03:03:40,560
desiring are being achieved.

3969
03:03:40,560 --> 03:03:42,640
He uh likewise has a lot of experience

3970
03:03:42,640 --> 03:03:44,960
working with uh different remote uh

3971
03:03:44,960 --> 03:03:46,960
rural and remote communities all across

3972
03:03:46,960 --> 03:03:48,640
not only the province but also into the

3973
03:03:48,640 --> 03:03:51,200
territories Manitoba and Saskatchewan as

3974
03:03:51,200 --> 03:03:53,279
well.

3975
03:03:53,279 --> 03:03:54,960
Holly Johnson also who wasn't able to

3976
03:03:54,960 --> 03:03:57,439
make it today as our project manager. Uh

3977
03:03:57,439 --> 03:03:59,600
so she's another senior associate and

3978
03:03:59,600 --> 03:04:01,200
she takes care of ensuring that all the

3979
03:04:01,200 --> 03:04:03,439
administrative tasks that are assigned

3980
03:04:03,439 --> 03:04:04,960
to the project related to the project

3981
03:04:04,960 --> 03:04:06,479
are being taken care of. That includes

3982
03:04:06,479 --> 03:04:09,200
coordination with the county uh staff,

3983
03:04:09,200 --> 03:04:10,960
includes things like setting up

3984
03:04:10,960 --> 03:04:13,120
meetings, uh preparing everything that

3985
03:04:13,120 --> 03:04:16,560
has to do with billing, um meeting

3986
03:04:16,560 --> 03:04:18,479
notes, so on and so forth. Holly makes

3987
03:04:18,479 --> 03:04:20,319
sure that that is all taken care of so

3988
03:04:20,319 --> 03:04:22,000
we can focus on the actual execution of

3989
03:04:22,000 --> 03:04:25,680
the project. And then Bri here um is our

3990
03:04:25,680 --> 03:04:27,200
research analyst. She is the primary

3991
03:04:27,200 --> 03:04:29,200
project writer for this. She has

3992
03:04:29,200 --> 03:04:31,279
experience in working on similar

3993
03:04:31,279 --> 03:04:33,279
projects regarding parks and recreation

3994
03:04:33,279 --> 03:04:35,600
as well as in engagement. So she's very

3995
03:04:35,600 --> 03:04:38,160
well-versed in the work that we're doing

3996
03:04:38,160 --> 03:04:41,120
on here and um is looking to bring that

3997
03:04:41,120 --> 03:04:42,880
experience and that expertise to this

3998
03:04:42,880 --> 03:04:46,150
project.

3999
03:04:46,160 --> 03:04:48,560
» So the project overview, what exactly

4000
03:04:48,560 --> 03:04:50,399
are we trying to achieve with this

4001
03:04:50,399 --> 03:04:52,560
project and what is our focus area? What

4002
03:04:52,560 --> 03:04:54,800
is our outcome? So the purpose of this

4003
03:04:54,800 --> 03:04:56,560
project is to provide Nih Hill County

4004
03:04:56,560 --> 03:04:58,080
with a clear understanding of the

4005
03:04:58,080 --> 03:05:00,479
current state of your recreation and

4006
03:05:00,479 --> 03:05:03,520
park systems including facilities,

4007
03:05:03,520 --> 03:05:07,200
programs, spaces as well as parks to

4008
03:05:07,200 --> 03:05:09,120
identify strategic priorities for the

4009
03:05:09,120 --> 03:05:13,040
next 10 years. Uh we want to in summary

4010
03:05:13,040 --> 03:05:15,439
look at all of the related assets that

4011
03:05:15,439 --> 03:05:18,000
currently exist, understand where we

4012
03:05:18,000 --> 03:05:19,840
want to be in the future, and then

4013
03:05:19,840 --> 03:05:21,840
create a plan for working towards that

4014
03:05:21,840 --> 03:05:23,359
future.

4015
03:05:23,359 --> 03:05:25,600
The focus areas are to understand what

4016
03:05:25,600 --> 03:05:28,319
facilities and programs currently exist,

4017
03:05:28,319 --> 03:05:32,000
evaluate their condition, their usage,

4018
03:05:32,000 --> 03:05:33,439
identify where service gaps or

4019
03:05:33,439 --> 03:05:35,920
opportunities exist for improvement,

4020
03:05:35,920 --> 03:05:38,160
and then consider the role of tourism,

4021
03:05:38,160 --> 03:05:40,160
changing population trends, and of

4022
03:05:40,160 --> 03:05:41,920
course alignment with the council's

4023
03:05:41,920 --> 03:05:44,640
strategic plans.

4024
03:05:44,640 --> 03:05:47,200
Our outcome then is to deliver a needs

4025
03:05:47,200 --> 03:05:49,680
assessment that blends community input,

4026
03:05:49,680 --> 03:05:52,319
facility data, and best practices that

4027
03:05:52,319 --> 03:05:53,680
will then give prioritized

4028
03:05:53,680 --> 03:05:56,479
recommendations for how exactly NIH

4029
03:05:56,479 --> 03:05:58,319
Hills County's recreation system can be

4030
03:05:58,319 --> 03:06:01,120
built to be sustainable, inclusive, and

4031
03:06:01,120 --> 03:06:02,960
ready for the future, achieving all the

4032
03:06:02,960 --> 03:06:05,920
goals that not only council has, but

4033
03:06:05,920 --> 03:06:08,080
also that would benefit the community in

4034
03:06:08,080 --> 03:06:12,309
the long run.

4035
03:06:12,319 --> 03:06:14,319
In terms of our scope and methodology to

4036
03:06:14,319 --> 03:06:16,160
achieve this outcome and to achieve this

4037
03:06:16,160 --> 03:06:19,040
project, uh we're going to be working on

4038
03:06:19,040 --> 03:06:21,840
a um a scope that includes all

4039
03:06:21,840 --> 03:06:24,080
recreation facilities, spaces, parks,

4040
03:06:24,080 --> 03:06:26,880
and uh programs that are used by Neil

4041
03:06:26,880 --> 03:06:28,640
County residents. This includes as

4042
03:06:28,640 --> 03:06:29,920
mentioned county-owned parks,

4043
03:06:29,920 --> 03:06:32,240
campgrounds and trails facilities in

4044
03:06:32,240 --> 03:06:34,560
internal municipalities, Acme, Lynden,

4045
03:06:34,560 --> 03:06:36,640
Carbon, Three Hills, Troshue for

4046
03:06:36,640 --> 03:06:39,760
example, partner operated assets as well

4047
03:06:39,760 --> 03:06:41,680
as key private and tourism facilities

4048
03:06:41,680 --> 03:06:43,760
that serve the public. This includes for

4049
03:06:43,760 --> 03:06:46,319
example Horseshoe Canyon.

4050
03:06:46,319 --> 03:06:48,560
We will also then want to assess these

4051
03:06:48,560 --> 03:06:52,000
in certain areas and those areas are to

4052
03:06:52,000 --> 03:06:54,880
talk about the facility condition, life

4053
03:06:54,880 --> 03:06:57,120
cycle stage and amenities, the

4054
03:06:57,120 --> 03:07:00,000
accessibility and geographic coverage of

4055
03:07:00,000 --> 03:07:02,479
these assets that exist, their usage

4056
03:07:02,479 --> 03:07:04,800
patterns, their operational models,

4057
03:07:04,800 --> 03:07:06,640
things like service gaps and

4058
03:07:06,640 --> 03:07:08,720
opportunities for collaboration. And

4059
03:07:08,720 --> 03:07:10,240
then the impact that these assets have

4060
03:07:10,240 --> 03:07:12,240
on tourism and regional partnership

4061
03:07:12,240 --> 03:07:16,790
potential.

4062
03:07:16,800 --> 03:07:18,560
Ultimately this gets into our

4063
03:07:18,560 --> 03:07:20,160
methodology. So this is where we're

4064
03:07:20,160 --> 03:07:22,240
looking at how do we take what we have

4065
03:07:22,240 --> 03:07:24,560
for our scope. How do we take how do we

4066
03:07:24,560 --> 03:07:27,200
um how we want to assess things and then

4067
03:07:27,200 --> 03:07:29,040
actually make make a methodology that

4068
03:07:29,040 --> 03:07:31,680
will result in the outcome that we want.

4069
03:07:31,680 --> 03:07:34,080
that is through data collection that

4070
03:07:34,080 --> 03:07:36,240
will be informed by community engagement

4071
03:07:36,240 --> 03:07:38,080
to ultimately lead to analysis and

4072
03:07:38,080 --> 03:07:40,399
recommendations. So our methodology as

4073
03:07:40,399 --> 03:07:43,040
mentioned before is a mixed method that

4074
03:07:43,040 --> 03:07:45,040
takes into account both things like best

4075
03:07:45,040 --> 03:07:46,800
practices and data analysis that we can

4076
03:07:46,800 --> 03:07:49,040
collect from secondary sources as well

4077
03:07:49,040 --> 03:07:51,120
as generating primary data from things

4078
03:07:51,120 --> 03:07:53,279
like engagement.

4079
03:07:53,279 --> 03:07:56,160
So um the things that we'll be looking

4080
03:07:56,160 --> 03:07:58,479
at as part of our methodology are

4081
03:07:58,479 --> 03:08:00,399
facility inventory and GIS mapping.

4082
03:08:00,399 --> 03:08:01,760
We'll talk a little bit more about this

4083
03:08:01,760 --> 03:08:03,120
later about what's been achieved right

4084
03:08:03,120 --> 03:08:05,279
now, but it's on the ground asset

4085
03:08:05,279 --> 03:08:07,520
mapping to actually visit all the assets

4086
03:08:07,520 --> 03:08:09,279
that we're looking at and talking about,

4087
03:08:09,279 --> 03:08:11,200
see things like their condition, um,

4088
03:08:11,200 --> 03:08:13,680
assess them, so on and so forth. We're

4089
03:08:13,680 --> 03:08:15,279
then going to be doing demographic and

4090
03:08:15,279 --> 03:08:17,200
economic analysis. This is important to

4091
03:08:17,200 --> 03:08:18,960
understand future trends and things that

4092
03:08:18,960 --> 03:08:20,479
might be happening that could impact the

4093
03:08:20,479 --> 03:08:22,640
county in the future. We want to ensure

4094
03:08:22,640 --> 03:08:24,160
that we're not just making a plan for

4095
03:08:24,160 --> 03:08:25,840
now, but a plan that will still be

4096
03:08:25,840 --> 03:08:29,120
effective uh, in a decade's time.

4097
03:08:29,120 --> 03:08:31,359
Benchmarking is something that we're uh

4098
03:08:31,359 --> 03:08:32,640
going to be including as part of this

4099
03:08:32,640 --> 03:08:34,560
project. This is comparisons with other

4100
03:08:34,560 --> 03:08:37,200
similar communities so that we can see

4101
03:08:37,200 --> 03:08:39,040
things like what's working, what's not

4102
03:08:39,040 --> 03:08:40,960
working, and what should Nihill County

4103
03:08:40,960 --> 03:08:42,800
consider for their own parks and

4104
03:08:42,800 --> 03:08:45,439
recreation needs. We're then going to be

4105
03:08:45,439 --> 03:08:47,279
doing community engagement. This will be

4106
03:08:47,279 --> 03:08:50,080
a mix of public surveys, workshops, and

4107
03:08:50,080 --> 03:08:52,479
openhouse, so on and so forth. We'll

4108
03:08:52,479 --> 03:08:54,319
talk a little bit more about um what

4109
03:08:54,319 --> 03:08:55,840
we're doing exactly for engagement and

4110
03:08:55,840 --> 03:08:58,240
what we've already done. And um as

4111
03:08:58,240 --> 03:08:59,439
mentioned, that's going to be a big part

4112
03:08:59,439 --> 03:09:02,880
of this project because we have specific

4113
03:09:02,880 --> 03:09:06,640
um um goals to engage as much as

4114
03:09:06,640 --> 03:09:08,880
possible with as many county residents

4115
03:09:08,880 --> 03:09:10,960
as possible. So this plan is really

4116
03:09:10,960 --> 03:09:13,520
informed by what you know people living

4117
03:09:13,520 --> 03:09:15,840
in the county think.

4118
03:09:15,840 --> 03:09:17,439
And then best practice research. We're

4119
03:09:17,439 --> 03:09:18,800
going to be identifying innovative

4120
03:09:18,800 --> 03:09:21,680
cost-effective models that fit NIH's

4121
03:09:21,680 --> 03:09:23,840
rural context. So, not just looking at

4122
03:09:23,840 --> 03:09:25,200
the best practices and what should be

4123
03:09:25,200 --> 03:09:26,319
done when it comes to parks and

4124
03:09:26,319 --> 03:09:27,760
recreation, but how does that fit N Knee

4125
03:09:27,760 --> 03:09:30,000
Hills context and how does that work in

4126
03:09:30,000 --> 03:09:31,760
a way that could be beneficial for the

4127
03:09:31,760 --> 03:09:35,269
county.

4128
03:09:35,279 --> 03:09:37,520
So, we can talk about what we've done so

4129
03:09:37,520 --> 03:09:40,160
far. So, um this is a little bit updated

4130
03:09:40,160 --> 03:09:41,840
now because the presentation was sent in

4131
03:09:41,840 --> 03:09:43,760
August and we've been working on it uh

4132
03:09:43,760 --> 03:09:46,319
hard still since then. So, I'll update

4133
03:09:46,319 --> 03:09:49,040
you also with things that have been done

4134
03:09:49,040 --> 03:09:51,279
since this presentation has been made.

4135
03:09:51,279 --> 03:09:52,640
So, we've done the project kickoff

4136
03:09:52,640 --> 03:09:54,319
already. We've started the project. We

4137
03:09:54,319 --> 03:09:57,760
have met with the um county uh project

4138
03:09:57,760 --> 03:10:00,160
team. We've assigned a PSC. We call them

4139
03:10:00,160 --> 03:10:02,080
a project steering committee on the

4140
03:10:02,080 --> 03:10:03,760
county side that helps ensure that the

4141
03:10:03,760 --> 03:10:05,120
county's needs and requirements are

4142
03:10:05,120 --> 03:10:07,600
being met. Uh and then we've confirmed

4143
03:10:07,600 --> 03:10:09,279
things like scope, timelines, and

4144
03:10:09,279 --> 03:10:12,080
deliverables. We've also done engagement

4145
03:10:12,080 --> 03:10:14,399
planning. So, we finalize a detailed

4146
03:10:14,399 --> 03:10:16,560
engagement plan that meets participation

4147
03:10:16,560 --> 03:10:19,120
targets, includes surveys, workshops, so

4148
03:10:19,120 --> 03:10:21,760
on and so forth. as discussed. And then

4149
03:10:21,760 --> 03:10:23,520
we've also done on the ground asset

4150
03:10:23,520 --> 03:10:26,080
surveying. So we did a 3-day asset

4151
03:10:26,080 --> 03:10:28,640
survey that covered Wimborn, Thorington,

4152
03:10:28,640 --> 03:10:30,720
areas like Horseshoe Cannon, so on and

4153
03:10:30,720 --> 03:10:32,080
so forth. You can see the full list on

4154
03:10:32,080 --> 03:10:34,000
the slide deck, of course. And then we

4155
03:10:34,000 --> 03:10:35,760
documented things like conditions,

4156
03:10:35,760 --> 03:10:38,800
amenities, usage rates, uh signage, so

4157
03:10:38,800 --> 03:10:40,560
on and so forth. That will help inform

4158
03:10:40,560 --> 03:10:42,399
our analysis.

4159
03:10:42,399 --> 03:10:44,080
uh Troshu and Three Hills as mentioned

4160
03:10:44,080 --> 03:10:46,319
there were still upcoming at that time

4161
03:10:46,319 --> 03:10:47,920
but I'm happy to say that as of last

4162
03:10:47,920 --> 03:10:50,000
week we have also done a full asset

4163
03:10:50,000 --> 03:10:51,920
mapping of things in Troshu and Three

4164
03:10:51,920 --> 03:10:53,920
Hills. So we are actually complete in

4165
03:10:53,920 --> 03:10:58,870
our acid mapping for this project.

4166
03:10:58,880 --> 03:11:00,560
So this is just a map showing where we

4167
03:11:00,560 --> 03:11:03,120
have been. Um our route was uh a little

4168
03:11:03,120 --> 03:11:05,040
bit of a horseshoe in a sense uh

4169
03:11:05,040 --> 03:11:06,800
ironically. So we started in Wimbornne

4170
03:11:06,800 --> 03:11:08,640
and ended basically in Huxley over those

4171
03:11:08,640 --> 03:11:11,040
three days. And so we visited a lot of

4172
03:11:11,040 --> 03:11:12,880
the areas that exist in the county, saw

4173
03:11:12,880 --> 03:11:15,200
a lot of the beautiful sites, the parks,

4174
03:11:15,200 --> 03:11:17,439
the uh recreation facilities that exist,

4175
03:11:17,439 --> 03:11:19,920
which gives us a really good in-person

4176
03:11:19,920 --> 03:11:22,960
context of what is working, what maybe

4177
03:11:22,960 --> 03:11:24,720
requires a little bit of adjustment, so

4178
03:11:24,720 --> 03:11:27,920
on and so forth.

4179
03:11:27,920 --> 03:11:29,840
And as mentioned, this map at the time

4180
03:11:29,840 --> 03:11:32,240
was made with the three-day visit just,

4181
03:11:32,240 --> 03:11:34,479
but we have also done three hills in

4182
03:11:34,479 --> 03:11:38,790
Troshu since that time.

4183
03:11:38,800 --> 03:11:40,319
So, I'm going to talk a little bit about

4184
03:11:40,319 --> 03:11:42,880
engagement now because engagement is, as

4185
03:11:42,880 --> 03:11:44,479
mentioned, a really important part of

4186
03:11:44,479 --> 03:11:46,240
our process, but especially for this

4187
03:11:46,240 --> 03:11:48,160
project, we want to make sure we have a

4188
03:11:48,160 --> 03:11:50,560
very thorough engagement methodology

4189
03:11:50,560 --> 03:11:53,439
because we want to reach as many county

4190
03:11:53,439 --> 03:11:56,000
residents as possible. So the purpose of

4191
03:11:56,000 --> 03:11:58,080
the engagement is to ensure as mentioned

4192
03:11:58,080 --> 03:11:59,520
before that the needs assessment

4193
03:11:59,520 --> 03:12:01,920
reflects lived experiences, the

4194
03:12:01,920 --> 03:12:04,160
priorities and aspirations of residents

4195
03:12:04,160 --> 03:12:06,960
and is not just informed by otherwise

4196
03:12:06,960 --> 03:12:09,120
secondary data and what you could be

4197
03:12:09,120 --> 03:12:10,960
called cold analysis which doesn't take

4198
03:12:10,960 --> 03:12:13,359
into account the needs and priorities of

4199
03:12:13,359 --> 03:12:14,960
locals.

4200
03:12:14,960 --> 03:12:16,880
We're reaching residents across all

4201
03:12:16,880 --> 03:12:19,920
hamlets, villages, and rural areas in

4202
03:12:19,920 --> 03:12:22,080
the county. We're going to be talking to

4203
03:12:22,080 --> 03:12:24,399
local organizations such as agricultural

4204
03:12:24,399 --> 03:12:26,479
societies. We're going to be doing

4205
03:12:26,479 --> 03:12:28,080
target groups as well. These could

4206
03:12:28,080 --> 03:12:29,920
include seniors, for example, youth,

4207
03:12:29,920 --> 03:12:31,680
indigenous communities, even seasonal

4208
03:12:31,680 --> 03:12:34,080
visitors. And then the tourism and

4209
03:12:34,080 --> 03:12:36,399
business sector, which is most impacted

4210
03:12:36,399 --> 03:12:38,720
by this assessment and the assets that

4211
03:12:38,720 --> 03:12:40,160
we are looking at. So, this would

4212
03:12:40,160 --> 03:12:42,080
include tourism operators, local

4213
03:12:42,080 --> 03:12:45,840
businesses, and regional partners.

4214
03:12:45,840 --> 03:12:48,160
When it comes to how we're completing

4215
03:12:48,160 --> 03:12:49,680
this engagement with all these different

4216
03:12:49,680 --> 03:12:52,080
groups, we have the list of things here.

4217
03:12:52,080 --> 03:12:54,960
So, we are doing a countywide public

4218
03:12:54,960 --> 03:12:57,520
survey. This is online and in paper. It

4219
03:12:57,520 --> 03:12:59,520
will be available in the county offices

4220
03:12:59,520 --> 03:13:02,399
and libraries and schools to just

4221
03:13:02,399 --> 03:13:04,399
generally gather feedback from people

4222
03:13:04,399 --> 03:13:07,040
who are living in the county.

4223
03:13:07,040 --> 03:13:08,800
We're also going to be doing stakeholder

4224
03:13:08,800 --> 03:13:11,040
workshops and focus groups. So bringing

4225
03:13:11,040 --> 03:13:14,160
together key groups of stakeholders in a

4226
03:13:14,160 --> 03:13:16,800
engaging and productive way to

4227
03:13:16,800 --> 03:13:18,960
understand their thoughts and gather

4228
03:13:18,960 --> 03:13:21,439
their feedback. We're then going to be

4229
03:13:21,439 --> 03:13:24,000
doing targeted outreach to key groups

4230
03:13:24,000 --> 03:13:25,680
such as in small group meetings or even

4231
03:13:25,680 --> 03:13:28,000
one-on-one interviews to ensure that all

4232
03:13:28,000 --> 03:13:29,760
voices are heard, especially from under

4233
03:13:29,760 --> 03:13:31,359
reppresented groups. This might include

4234
03:13:31,359 --> 03:13:33,600
seniors, for example.

4235
03:13:33,600 --> 03:13:34,800
We're then going to be doing business

4236
03:13:34,800 --> 03:13:36,800
and tourism roundts. also linking

4237
03:13:36,800 --> 03:13:38,720
recreation planning with economic

4238
03:13:38,720 --> 03:13:40,880
development and visitor experience. So

4239
03:13:40,880 --> 03:13:43,040
not just looking at it in a silo but

4240
03:13:43,040 --> 03:13:44,720
seeing how it holistically fits the

4241
03:13:44,720 --> 03:13:47,200
overall picture in the county. And then

4242
03:13:47,200 --> 03:13:49,359
of course a public open house where we

4243
03:13:49,359 --> 03:13:52,479
will we will share draft recommendations

4244
03:13:52,479 --> 03:13:54,399
to validate our priorities before we

4245
03:13:54,399 --> 03:13:56,160
finalize the strategy. This ensures that

4246
03:13:56,160 --> 03:13:58,160
there's an opportunity for the public to

4247
03:13:58,160 --> 03:13:59,520
look at exactly what is being

4248
03:13:59,520 --> 03:14:01,600
recommended and seeing and making sure

4249
03:14:01,600 --> 03:14:04,239
that that aligns with their vision for

4250
03:14:04,239 --> 03:14:08,550
the future.

4251
03:14:08,560 --> 03:14:10,479
In terms of our timeline, um again this

4252
03:14:10,479 --> 03:14:11,920
is um a little bit in the past, so I'll

4253
03:14:11,920 --> 03:14:13,359
talk about what is being done right now,

4254
03:14:13,359 --> 03:14:15,200
but in July and August, we worked on

4255
03:14:15,200 --> 03:14:17,439
finalizing the engagement plan and then

4256
03:14:17,439 --> 03:14:19,600
designing survey and outreach materials,

4257
03:14:19,600 --> 03:14:22,160
submitting content for a utility insert

4258
03:14:22,160 --> 03:14:24,080
and newsletter and the newspaper and

4259
03:14:24,080 --> 03:14:26,319
then also doing stakeholder outreach,

4260
03:14:26,319 --> 03:14:28,000
beginning stakeholder outreach for the

4261
03:14:28,000 --> 03:14:29,520
engagement.

4262
03:14:29,520 --> 03:14:31,439
Late in August, we had launched a public

4263
03:14:31,439 --> 03:14:33,600
survey. Uh we attended discovery night

4264
03:14:33,600 --> 03:14:36,319
just last week. uh in early September

4265
03:14:36,319 --> 03:14:38,160
and then we had done stakeholder

4266
03:14:38,160 --> 03:14:39,760
interviews

4267
03:14:39,760 --> 03:14:42,080
and now into September continuing on

4268
03:14:42,080 --> 03:14:44,160
we're going to continue the survey

4269
03:14:44,160 --> 03:14:46,560
promotion u we'll talk a little bit more

4270
03:14:46,560 --> 03:14:48,640
about kind of what we're doing there in

4271
03:14:48,640 --> 03:14:51,120
terms of advertisement and such uh we

4272
03:14:51,120 --> 03:14:52,960
held initial workshops or sorry are

4273
03:14:52,960 --> 03:14:54,479
going to be holding initial workshops

4274
03:14:54,479 --> 03:14:56,800
and focus groups as mentioned to really

4275
03:14:56,800 --> 03:14:59,359
target specific groups of stakeholders.

4276
03:14:59,359 --> 03:15:00,560
We're going to be doing ongoing

4277
03:15:00,560 --> 03:15:02,080
check-ins with the PSC to see where

4278
03:15:02,080 --> 03:15:03,840
engagement is going and adjusting as

4279
03:15:03,840 --> 03:15:06,080
necessary. And then we're going to do an

4280
03:15:06,080 --> 03:15:08,000
engagement review at the midpoint in

4281
03:15:08,000 --> 03:15:10,239
September to really ensure that the

4282
03:15:10,239 --> 03:15:11,920
impact that we want to make sure we're

4283
03:15:11,920 --> 03:15:14,399
having is being achieved. So just

4284
03:15:14,399 --> 03:15:15,760
quickly as I mentioned in terms of

4285
03:15:15,760 --> 03:15:17,439
survey promotion right now the survey

4286
03:15:17,439 --> 03:15:18,880
has been shared when we had done

4287
03:15:18,880 --> 03:15:20,560
discovery night before we shared a bunch

4288
03:15:20,560 --> 03:15:22,239
of posters with say libraries and

4289
03:15:22,239 --> 03:15:25,520
churches and such um to ensure that

4290
03:15:25,520 --> 03:15:27,600
everybody had um an opportunity to

4291
03:15:27,600 --> 03:15:29,600
advertise and ensure that county

4292
03:15:29,600 --> 03:15:31,040
residents knew that there was a survey

4293
03:15:31,040 --> 03:15:32,800
going around that we want to hear their

4294
03:15:32,800 --> 03:15:34,560
voice. Uh but also we're going to be

4295
03:15:34,560 --> 03:15:37,279
doing online promotion um and other

4296
03:15:37,279 --> 03:15:39,120
promotions as well to ensure that as

4297
03:15:39,120 --> 03:15:41,520
many people as possible are reached to

4298
03:15:41,520 --> 03:15:44,880
in the county

4299
03:15:44,880 --> 03:15:46,560
into October and then November and

4300
03:15:46,560 --> 03:15:48,080
December. Uh we're going to be doing

4301
03:15:48,080 --> 03:15:50,080
targeted follow-up outreach. We're going

4302
03:15:50,080 --> 03:15:52,479
to be completing any remaining workshops

4303
03:15:52,479 --> 03:15:54,160
and focus groups and then closing the

4304
03:15:54,160 --> 03:15:55,760
survey and then preparing our

4305
03:15:55,760 --> 03:15:57,680
preliminary findings. In November and

4306
03:15:57,680 --> 03:15:59,680
December near the tail end of the

4307
03:15:59,680 --> 03:16:02,640
project, we will do community road show

4308
03:16:02,640 --> 03:16:04,560
sessions if required and then draft

4309
03:16:04,560 --> 03:16:08,080
recommendations to PSSE and staff. Uh

4310
03:16:08,080 --> 03:16:09,600
that ensures that again that the

4311
03:16:09,600 --> 03:16:10,960
recommendations before they go out to

4312
03:16:10,960 --> 03:16:13,600
the public are aligned with county goals

4313
03:16:13,600 --> 03:16:17,279
and really reflect the county's vision.

4314
03:16:17,279 --> 03:16:19,520
Our

4315
03:16:19,520 --> 03:16:21,600
anticipated deliverables uh in three

4316
03:16:21,600 --> 03:16:24,000
areas analysis and findings, action and

4317
03:16:24,000 --> 03:16:26,399
strategy and communication tools are

4318
03:16:26,399 --> 03:16:28,479
listed there. So for analysis and

4319
03:16:28,479 --> 03:16:30,000
findings, we want to present a final

4320
03:16:30,000 --> 03:16:32,399
report, an executive summary, facility

4321
03:16:32,399 --> 03:16:34,319
database, and GIS mapping. Basically,

4322
03:16:34,319 --> 03:16:36,319
all the work that we are doing when it

4323
03:16:36,319 --> 03:16:38,319
goes out to um when we're going out to

4324
03:16:38,319 --> 03:16:39,760
communities and doing asset mapping,

4325
03:16:39,760 --> 03:16:41,359
when we're doing engagement, so on and

4326
03:16:41,359 --> 03:16:43,439
so forth, that raw data is going to be

4327
03:16:43,439 --> 03:16:45,359
provided, not just our reports. So you

4328
03:16:45,359 --> 03:16:47,439
can look at it specifically in terms of

4329
03:16:47,439 --> 03:16:49,920
the data that's been collected for

4330
03:16:49,920 --> 03:16:51,600
action and strategy. The implementation

4331
03:16:51,600 --> 03:16:53,040
roadmap, funding and partnership

4332
03:16:53,040 --> 03:16:55,200
strategies, the actual for example

4333
03:16:55,200 --> 03:16:56,399
action plans that we're going to be

4334
03:16:56,399 --> 03:16:58,319
developing will be shared of course as

4335
03:16:58,319 --> 03:17:00,640
part of our deliverable package and then

4336
03:17:00,640 --> 03:17:02,000
communication tools. So this will

4337
03:17:02,000 --> 03:17:04,479
include summary visuals, maps,

4338
03:17:04,479 --> 03:17:11,190
infographics for county use.

4339
03:17:11,200 --> 03:17:13,439
Our project schedule overall now that

4340
03:17:13,439 --> 03:17:15,040
we've looked at engagement specifically

4341
03:17:15,040 --> 03:17:17,040
is that we have done the initiation as

4342
03:17:17,040 --> 03:17:18,960
mentioned we are working on engagement

4343
03:17:18,960 --> 03:17:20,880
and data collection in phase two right

4344
03:17:20,880 --> 03:17:23,040
now in phase three is when we're going

4345
03:17:23,040 --> 03:17:25,359
to be doing analysis and strategy

4346
03:17:25,359 --> 03:17:27,279
drafting. So we're going to analyze all

4347
03:17:27,279 --> 03:17:29,040
the data we collect. This is again both

4348
03:17:29,040 --> 03:17:31,200
the engagement data the asset data that

4349
03:17:31,200 --> 03:17:33,359
we've collected also secondary data

4350
03:17:33,359 --> 03:17:35,279
things like bench practices and

4351
03:17:35,279 --> 03:17:36,880
benchmarking.

4352
03:17:36,880 --> 03:17:39,760
And then in phase four when uh we are

4353
03:17:39,760 --> 03:17:41,359
basically closing out the project, we're

4354
03:17:41,359 --> 03:17:42,640
going to be doing that openhouse as

4355
03:17:42,640 --> 03:17:43,920
mentioned. We're going to incorporate

4356
03:17:43,920 --> 03:17:46,239
feedback that we receive from either the

4357
03:17:46,239 --> 03:17:48,800
public or from the PSC or council or

4358
03:17:48,800 --> 03:17:52,000
other uh key stakeholders as well.

4359
03:17:52,000 --> 03:17:53,600
Present the final need assessment and

4360
03:17:53,600 --> 03:17:56,640
council in January and close out the

4361
03:17:56,640 --> 03:18:01,030
project. Then

4362
03:18:01,040 --> 03:18:03,359
so for next steps as mentioned we have

4363
03:18:03,359 --> 03:18:05,600
already done the first little paragraph

4364
03:18:05,600 --> 03:18:07,279
there. We have finalized the inventory

4365
03:18:07,279 --> 03:18:09,279
and data collection phase that's been

4366
03:18:09,279 --> 03:18:11,520
complete as of last week. Uh the

4367
03:18:11,520 --> 03:18:13,920
engagement activities will continue into

4368
03:18:13,920 --> 03:18:16,080
September and October to ensure that

4369
03:18:16,080 --> 03:18:18,720
again we hear as much as possible from

4370
03:18:18,720 --> 03:18:21,439
county residents. We will then draft

4371
03:18:21,439 --> 03:18:23,359
strategy recommendations based on that

4372
03:18:23,359 --> 03:18:25,200
engagement findings based on those

4373
03:18:25,200 --> 03:18:26,800
engagement findings and also based on

4374
03:18:26,800 --> 03:18:29,520
the analysis that we complete um for

4375
03:18:29,520 --> 03:18:31,200
best practices and comparables as

4376
03:18:31,200 --> 03:18:33,520
mentioned before. and then our final

4377
03:18:33,520 --> 03:18:35,279
report and the council presentation is

4378
03:18:35,279 --> 03:18:39,990
expected in early 2026.

4379
03:18:40,000 --> 03:18:42,800
Thank you for uh the presentation and

4380
03:18:42,800 --> 03:18:44,160
the opportunity to come to your

4381
03:18:44,160 --> 03:18:45,680
community and I would love to open the

4382
03:18:45,680 --> 03:18:48,399
floor now for any questions.

4383
03:18:48,399 --> 03:18:51,030
>> Okay, thank you for that presentation.

4384
03:18:51,030 --> 03:18:51,040
» Okay, thank you for that presentation.

4385
03:18:51,040 --> 03:18:53,760
Um are there questions from council

4386
03:18:53,760 --> 03:18:56,720
related to the presentation the

4387
03:18:56,720 --> 03:19:01,040
information we just have received? counc

4388
03:19:01,040 --> 03:19:03,429
>> and m show you might be able to answer

4389
03:19:03,429 --> 03:19:03,439
» and m show you might be able to answer

4390
03:19:03,439 --> 03:19:06,479
this too. Um bracken is down

4391
03:19:06,479 --> 03:19:08,550
>> is a regular facility. Um and I just

4392
03:19:08,550 --> 03:19:08,560
» is a regular facility. Um and I just

4393
03:19:08,560 --> 03:19:10,080
noticed that windborn's on here twice

4394
03:19:10,080 --> 03:19:12,560
which I'm thinking one is KA's lake on

4395
03:19:12,560 --> 03:19:14,080
the map.

4396
03:19:14,080 --> 03:19:16,070
>> It's

4397
03:19:16,070 --> 03:19:16,080
» It's

4398
03:19:16,080 --> 03:19:22,389
so bracking brackers. Okay. Thank you

4399
03:19:22,399 --> 03:19:23,600
» McGee.

4400
03:19:23,600 --> 03:19:26,469
>> I also want to throw in Hiff that has a

4401
03:19:26,469 --> 03:19:26,479
» I also want to throw in Hiff that has a

4402
03:19:26,479 --> 03:19:29,120
ball diamond and things like that too.

4403
03:19:29,120 --> 03:19:32,880
Y great. Um I wanted to say I'm I'm

4404
03:19:32,880 --> 03:19:34,000
really impressed that you're at

4405
03:19:34,000 --> 03:19:36,399
Discovery Night. I really find that that

4406
03:19:36,399 --> 03:19:40,399
face-toface opportunity really um brings

4407
03:19:40,399 --> 03:19:42,080
opportunity for people to realize that

4408
03:19:42,080 --> 03:19:45,840
this is a real event that they can um it

4409
03:19:45,840 --> 03:19:47,439
personalizes it for them. I think is

4410
03:19:47,439 --> 03:19:49,520
what I'm trying to say. I'm was

4411
03:19:49,520 --> 03:19:51,920
interested to know if there's any other

4412
03:19:51,920 --> 03:19:53,840
persontoerson opportunity going to be

4413
03:19:53,840 --> 03:19:55,200
doing in this stage in other parts of

4414
03:19:55,200 --> 03:19:56,479
the county.

4415
03:19:56,479 --> 03:19:58,389
>> Yes. would be, you know, parallel to

4416
03:19:58,389 --> 03:19:58,399
» Yes. would be, you know, parallel to

4417
03:19:58,399 --> 03:19:59,520
that.

4418
03:19:59,520 --> 03:20:01,349
>> Yes, absolutely. Thank you, counselor.

4419
03:20:01,349 --> 03:20:01,359
» Yes, absolutely. Thank you, counselor.

4420
03:20:01,359 --> 03:20:03,920
So, um, 100% first of all, agree with

4421
03:20:03,920 --> 03:20:07,120
you that the inperson is what works best

4422
03:20:07,120 --> 03:20:08,479
in a lot of different communities.

4423
03:20:08,479 --> 03:20:10,960
Inerson engagement, in person coming and

4424
03:20:10,960 --> 03:20:12,479
showing people your face and showing

4425
03:20:12,479 --> 03:20:14,000
them that, you know, it it just shows

4426
03:20:14,000 --> 03:20:15,840
that you have a little bit of care about

4427
03:20:15,840 --> 03:20:16,960
what you're trying to achieve in the

4428
03:20:16,960 --> 03:20:18,479
project. So, 100% agree with you on

4429
03:20:18,479 --> 03:20:20,080
that. And yes, absolutely. I think

4430
03:20:20,080 --> 03:20:21,680
there's just an event coming up in a few

4431
03:20:21,680 --> 03:20:23,200
uh a few weeks here that we're going to

4432
03:20:23,200 --> 03:20:25,040
be going to for um more engagement

4433
03:20:25,040 --> 03:20:27,359
activities. All the open houses, focus

4434
03:20:27,359 --> 03:20:28,560
groups we're talking about will be

4435
03:20:28,560 --> 03:20:30,640
organized in person and as much as

4436
03:20:30,640 --> 03:20:32,160
possible, we want to make sure that the

4437
03:20:32,160 --> 03:20:34,080
opportunity for in-person surveys is

4438
03:20:34,080 --> 03:20:37,120
also um there. So yes, agree with you

4439
03:20:37,120 --> 03:20:39,439
100% and I think if we want to achieve

4440
03:20:39,439 --> 03:20:41,120
the outcomes that we've set out for, the

4441
03:20:41,120 --> 03:20:42,880
goals we've set out for in terms of

4442
03:20:42,880 --> 03:20:44,399
engagement for this project, we have to

4443
03:20:44,399 --> 03:20:46,239
do in person. and it will probably in my

4444
03:20:46,239 --> 03:20:48,319
opinion be the primary way we gather

4445
03:20:48,319 --> 03:20:50,640
feedback from people. So yes,

4446
03:20:50,640 --> 03:20:53,190
>> Mr. Gon, thank you through the chair. I

4447
03:20:53,190 --> 03:20:53,200
» Mr. Gon, thank you through the chair. I

4448
03:20:53,200 --> 03:20:55,279
I want council to really understand that

4449
03:20:55,279 --> 03:20:57,520
when we chose a proponent here, they

4450
03:20:57,520 --> 03:21:00,160
were were really strong on their

4451
03:21:00,160 --> 03:21:02,399
engagement numbers,

4452
03:21:02,399 --> 03:21:04,640
which really plays into the accuracy of

4453
03:21:04,640 --> 03:21:07,439
this report. No other consultant was

4454
03:21:07,439 --> 03:21:09,359
going to guarantee those numbers. I'll

4455
03:21:09,359 --> 03:21:11,760
make that very clear. So they were

4456
03:21:11,760 --> 03:21:14,800
extremely strong with there will be

4457
03:21:14,800 --> 03:21:18,319
engagement until these are met. So those

4458
03:21:18,319 --> 03:21:20,160
are really strong commitments from this

4459
03:21:20,160 --> 03:21:22,319
proponent to ensure that the county is

4460
03:21:22,319 --> 03:21:25,439
heard and the report has uh a lower

4461
03:21:25,439 --> 03:21:28,560
degree of potential error. So uh we're

4462
03:21:28,560 --> 03:21:30,720
very excited for the opportunity to hear

4463
03:21:30,720 --> 03:21:33,040
what the community is going to express

4464
03:21:33,040 --> 03:21:35,040
and where this might lead decisions in

4465
03:21:35,040 --> 03:21:37,120
the future.

4466
03:21:37,120 --> 03:21:38,469
>> Go ahead, Mr. Ravi.

4467
03:21:38,469 --> 03:21:38,479
» Go ahead, Mr. Ravi.

4468
03:21:38,479 --> 03:21:40,790
>> Yeah, just seconding. Uh thank you um

4469
03:21:40,790 --> 03:21:40,800
» Yeah, just seconding. Uh thank you um

4470
03:21:40,800 --> 03:21:42,479
Kevin and just seconding exactly what

4471
03:21:42,479 --> 03:21:44,640
was just said. So all of the timelines

4472
03:21:44,640 --> 03:21:46,640
and everything that were uh proposed is

4473
03:21:46,640 --> 03:21:48,319
assuming for example we're meeting those

4474
03:21:48,319 --> 03:21:49,680
goals. If we're not meeting the goals

4475
03:21:49,680 --> 03:21:52,560
for engagement we will do we are more

4476
03:21:52,560 --> 03:21:54,399
than happy to continue to work as long

4477
03:21:54,399 --> 03:21:56,080
as it's needed to ensure that those

4478
03:21:56,080 --> 03:21:59,200
engagement numbers are met because um as

4479
03:21:59,200 --> 03:22:01,439
was just said the accuracy of the report

4480
03:22:01,439 --> 03:22:03,040
to make sure it's not a document frankly

4481
03:22:03,040 --> 03:22:04,880
that ends up just on a shelf and is

4482
03:22:04,880 --> 03:22:06,800
never used and collects dusk. We need to

4483
03:22:06,800 --> 03:22:08,080
make sure that we're listening to all

4484
03:22:08,080 --> 03:22:09,600
the county residents. So, we're going to

4485
03:22:09,600 --> 03:22:11,120
be doing engagement for as long as

4486
03:22:11,120 --> 03:22:12,880
needed to reach those outcomes, reach

4487
03:22:12,880 --> 03:22:14,640
the goal, reach a level of comfort that

4488
03:22:14,640 --> 03:22:17,279
we have heard from residents and that

4489
03:22:17,279 --> 03:22:18,479
this document is going to be something

4490
03:22:18,479 --> 03:22:21,520
that really guides our future.

4491
03:22:21,520 --> 03:22:23,030
>> Councor Phobes,

4492
03:22:23,030 --> 03:22:23,040
» Councor Phobes,

4493
03:22:23,040 --> 03:22:25,590
>> I think this question is more for um

4494
03:22:25,590 --> 03:22:25,600
» I think this question is more for um

4495
03:22:25,600 --> 03:22:29,040
administration. Um, didn't we do a Can

4496
03:22:29,040 --> 03:22:30,399
you just remind me? Didn't we do a

4497
03:22:30,399 --> 03:22:32,080
feasibility study a little while ago?

4498
03:22:32,080 --> 03:22:35,600
Will that information also be used in

4499
03:22:35,600 --> 03:22:37,359
our facilities

4500
03:22:37,359 --> 03:22:39,200
that they're looking at? feasibility

4501
03:22:39,200 --> 03:22:40,800
study related to

4502
03:22:40,800 --> 03:22:42,309
>> the buildings and what they needed and

4503
03:22:42,309 --> 03:22:42,319
» the buildings and what they needed and

4504
03:22:42,319 --> 03:22:43,760
those type of things. Did we not do a

4505
03:22:43,760 --> 03:22:45,359
feasibility study on all of our

4506
03:22:45,359 --> 03:22:47,040
buildings that the county held a while

4507
03:22:47,040 --> 03:22:47,520
ago?

4508
03:22:47,520 --> 03:22:49,910
>> Isn't that a facility assessment or Mr.

4509
03:22:49,910 --> 03:22:49,920
» Isn't that a facility assessment or Mr.

4510
03:22:49,920 --> 03:22:52,160
Hogan, can you help clarify for us,

4511
03:22:52,160 --> 03:22:52,720
please?

4512
03:22:52,720 --> 03:22:54,630
>> A few, Mr. Chair. I suspect that

4513
03:22:54,630 --> 03:22:54,640
» A few, Mr. Chair. I suspect that

4514
03:22:54,640 --> 03:22:56,000
councelor Fobes is referring to the

4515
03:22:56,000 --> 03:22:58,319
facility condition assessment.

4516
03:22:58,319 --> 03:22:59,830
>> Um, so that was going through a number

4517
03:22:59,830 --> 03:22:59,840
» Um, so that was going through a number

4518
03:22:59,840 --> 03:23:03,279
of the buildings looking at their at um

4519
03:23:03,279 --> 03:23:05,200
life cycle, current state, things like

4520
03:23:05,200 --> 03:23:06,960
that. So that information does exist.

4521
03:23:06,960 --> 03:23:08,399
That project is still ongoing.

4522
03:23:08,399 --> 03:23:09,349
>> Okay. Thank you.

4523
03:23:09,349 --> 03:23:09,359
» Okay. Thank you.

4524
03:23:09,359 --> 03:23:11,190
>> So, some of that data exists, some of it

4525
03:23:11,190 --> 03:23:11,200
» So, some of that data exists, some of it

4526
03:23:11,200 --> 03:23:12,080
is not there yet.

4527
03:23:12,080 --> 03:23:15,670
>> Perfect. Thank you.

4528
03:23:15,680 --> 03:23:17,840
» Sure, Miss Sherlock. Please.

4529
03:23:17,840 --> 03:23:19,429
>> Sure. You'll let me talk?

4530
03:23:19,429 --> 03:23:19,439
» Sure. You'll let me talk?

4531
03:23:19,439 --> 03:23:20,469
>> Yes, absolutely.

4532
03:23:20,469 --> 03:23:20,479
» Yes, absolutely.

4533
03:23:20,479 --> 03:23:23,429
>> Just for clarification, that uh facility

4534
03:23:23,429 --> 03:23:23,439
» Just for clarification, that uh facility

4535
03:23:23,439 --> 03:23:25,439
assessment was strictly to Nihill County

4536
03:23:25,439 --> 03:23:29,200
facilities um and was only to buildings.

4537
03:23:29,200 --> 03:23:32,560
And so this um general assessment with

4538
03:23:32,560 --> 03:23:34,560
uh the inventory that we're completing

4539
03:23:34,560 --> 03:23:36,800
for the recreation side will also

4540
03:23:36,800 --> 03:23:38,640
account things like playgrounds, the

4541
03:23:38,640 --> 03:23:42,560
campground overall um things the

4542
03:23:42,560 --> 03:23:44,880
facilities that aren't county facilities

4543
03:23:44,880 --> 03:23:47,760
as well. Looking at um you know the TroU

4544
03:23:47,760 --> 03:23:49,920
Pool, the Three Hills Aquatic Center,

4545
03:23:49,920 --> 03:23:51,840
things like that. So it it just gives

4546
03:23:51,840 --> 03:23:54,640
that broader scope and it's less of a

4547
03:23:54,640 --> 03:23:58,720
building condition and more of a um you

4548
03:23:58,720 --> 03:24:01,600
know recreation availability inventory.

4549
03:24:01,600 --> 03:24:03,760
Um looking at these facilities, you

4550
03:24:03,760 --> 03:24:05,279
know, a general life cycle of where

4551
03:24:05,279 --> 03:24:07,520
they're at and then um you know what

4552
03:24:07,520 --> 03:24:10,720
their usage is and who's who's going to

4553
03:24:10,720 --> 03:24:13,359
them, how they're they're being utilized

4554
03:24:13,359 --> 03:24:15,920
within the community. um and whether

4555
03:24:15,920 --> 03:24:19,040
that opportunity is there for expansion

4556
03:24:19,040 --> 03:24:21,760
or redirection into different um

4557
03:24:21,760 --> 03:24:25,750
opportunities.

4558
03:24:25,760 --> 03:24:27,600
» So I guess um sorry councelor

4559
03:24:27,600 --> 03:24:29,120
Cunningham, I'll let you go first and

4560
03:24:29,120 --> 03:24:30,080
then I'll jump in.

4561
03:24:30,080 --> 03:24:32,630
>> Okay. Thank you. Um so because I was

4562
03:24:32,630 --> 03:24:32,640
» Okay. Thank you. Um so because I was

4563
03:24:32,640 --> 03:24:34,880
there last Wednesday and um we did get

4564
03:24:34,880 --> 03:24:37,279
quite a few surveys um delivered. I have

4565
03:24:37,279 --> 03:24:39,279
got some feedback um from some rate

4566
03:24:39,279 --> 03:24:41,760
pairs already. little bit of confusion

4567
03:24:41,760 --> 03:24:44,960
around um some of the survey questions.

4568
03:24:44,960 --> 03:24:46,640
I know like number six says, "Please

4569
03:24:46,640 --> 03:24:48,479
indicate how often you use the following

4570
03:24:48,479 --> 03:24:52,399
indoor facilities in Nihill County." Um

4571
03:24:52,399 --> 03:24:55,439
the Do you go ahead? Okay. Um the

4572
03:24:55,439 --> 03:24:57,520
aquatic center. So we don't have an

4573
03:24:57,520 --> 03:24:59,680
indoor aquatic facility within Nihill

4574
03:24:59,680 --> 03:25:01,760
County. So would that want to be worded

4575
03:25:01,760 --> 03:25:04,319
in Nihill County and our urban partners?

4576
03:25:04,319 --> 03:25:05,840
Like I just somebody the feedback was

4577
03:25:05,840 --> 03:25:07,520
just it was confusing because some of

4578
03:25:07,520 --> 03:25:09,120
these facilities we don't actually have

4579
03:25:09,120 --> 03:25:10,800
in Nihill County,

4580
03:25:10,800 --> 03:25:13,110
>> right? And I the intention is that it

4581
03:25:13,110 --> 03:25:13,120
» right? And I the intention is that it

4582
03:25:13,120 --> 03:25:14,720
wouldn't be specific to in Nihill

4583
03:25:14,720 --> 03:25:16,720
County. It's just overall how often are

4584
03:25:16,720 --> 03:25:18,800
you using this type of facility.

4585
03:25:18,800 --> 03:25:20,309
>> Okay. Because it specifically says

4586
03:25:20,309 --> 03:25:20,319
» Okay. Because it specifically says

4587
03:25:20,319 --> 03:25:22,000
Nihill County. So I wondered if we would

4588
03:25:22,000 --> 03:25:23,359
want to change the wording on that. They

4589
03:25:23,359 --> 03:25:24,560
just found it very confusing.

4590
03:25:24,560 --> 03:25:25,110
>> Yeah. Yeah.

4591
03:25:25,110 --> 03:25:25,120
» Yeah. Yeah.

4592
03:25:25,120 --> 03:25:26,790
>> Yeah. We can absolutely look at that.

4593
03:25:26,790 --> 03:25:26,800
» Yeah. We can absolutely look at that.

4594
03:25:26,800 --> 03:25:28,790
>> And that was the same with 13 as well.

4595
03:25:28,790 --> 03:25:28,800
» And that was the same with 13 as well.

4596
03:25:28,800 --> 03:25:30,319
Please indicate how often use the

4597
03:25:30,319 --> 03:25:32,160
following outdoor facilities in Nihill

4598
03:25:32,160 --> 03:25:34,479
County. Um, some of them again we don't

4599
03:25:34,479 --> 03:25:36,000
have in Niho County, but we would have

4600
03:25:36,000 --> 03:25:38,560
within our urban partners. So I think we

4601
03:25:38,560 --> 03:25:40,720
might just get a little bit more

4602
03:25:40,720 --> 03:25:43,600
accuracy if we include both. That's just

4603
03:25:43,600 --> 03:25:45,120
the feedback I got from residents that

4604
03:25:45,120 --> 03:25:46,160
were filling out the survey.

4605
03:25:46,160 --> 03:25:47,830
>> Mr. Gon,

4606
03:25:47,830 --> 03:25:47,840
» Mr. Gon,

4607
03:25:47,840 --> 03:25:49,269
>> thank you through the chair. I really

4608
03:25:49,269 --> 03:25:49,279
» thank you through the chair. I really

4609
03:25:49,279 --> 03:25:51,200
appreciate that uh level of feedback

4610
03:25:51,200 --> 03:25:52,800
because we can make improvements with

4611
03:25:52,800 --> 03:25:54,640
our communication strategy as we move

4612
03:25:54,640 --> 03:25:57,040
forward. Um, I want the residents out

4613
03:25:57,040 --> 03:25:59,040
there to know that our team is ready to

4614
03:25:59,040 --> 03:26:00,479
answer any questions that come forward

4615
03:26:00,479 --> 03:26:02,640
on this to adapt. So if there's things

4616
03:26:02,640 --> 03:26:04,880
that they're unclear with, uh we have

4617
03:26:04,880 --> 03:26:07,520
the team here that is ready to accept

4618
03:26:07,520 --> 03:26:10,080
those questions and we can provide that

4619
03:26:10,080 --> 03:26:12,000
information to all the counselors and

4620
03:26:12,000 --> 03:26:15,359
and online to ensure uh should there be

4621
03:26:15,359 --> 03:26:18,640
any uh questions or misunderstanding to

4622
03:26:18,640 --> 03:26:20,399
any future engagement that we can

4623
03:26:20,399 --> 03:26:23,920
clarify quickly so it doesn't feel

4624
03:26:23,920 --> 03:26:26,080
ownorous on them in any way that they

4625
03:26:26,080 --> 03:26:27,920
they have an ability to voice their

4626
03:26:27,920 --> 03:26:30,479
opinion as needed.

4627
03:26:30,479 --> 03:26:32,399
So, I recognize the fact that we're

4628
03:26:32,399 --> 03:26:34,960
doing a

4629
03:26:34,960 --> 03:26:37,040
uh inventory and assessment of

4630
03:26:37,040 --> 03:26:38,960
recreation facilities within the

4631
03:26:38,960 --> 03:26:41,840
geographic Neil County area. So, it's

4632
03:26:41,840 --> 03:26:44,640
not just Neheil County. The question

4633
03:26:44,640 --> 03:26:47,439
that is sort of rumbling around in the

4634
03:26:47,439 --> 03:26:50,160
back of my head at this point in time is

4635
03:26:50,160 --> 03:26:54,399
how are we determining the feedback and

4636
03:26:54,399 --> 03:26:57,040
where it's coming from? So, if the

4637
03:26:57,040 --> 03:26:59,279
purpose is for Nehill County to

4638
03:26:59,279 --> 03:27:02,720
determine a 10-year plan going forward,

4639
03:27:02,720 --> 03:27:05,040
are we assessing feedback from our

4640
03:27:05,040 --> 03:27:07,120
residents or are we assessing feedback

4641
03:27:07,120 --> 03:27:09,120
from whoever gives feedback to the

4642
03:27:09,120 --> 03:27:10,960
survey? So, they potentially could be

4643
03:27:10,960 --> 03:27:15,600
urban or rural and are is our focus on

4644
03:27:15,600 --> 03:27:17,920
anyone who lives within our geographic

4645
03:27:17,920 --> 03:27:22,560
area or is it specific to Nehill County?

4646
03:27:22,560 --> 03:27:26,070
>> So, we uh in the sur there. The one of

4647
03:27:26,070 --> 03:27:26,080
» So, we uh in the sur there. The one of

4648
03:27:26,080 --> 03:27:27,760
the the first two questions there

4649
03:27:27,760 --> 03:27:32,080
analyzes um what uh division you're in

4650
03:27:32,080 --> 03:27:34,560
um within the municipality and then what

4651
03:27:34,560 --> 03:27:36,880
uh if you're in an urban municipality,

4652
03:27:36,880 --> 03:27:39,279
what urban municipality you're in. Um

4653
03:27:39,279 --> 03:27:41,120
and so we are looking for that feedback

4654
03:27:41,120 --> 03:27:43,520
from the region as a whole, but we will

4655
03:27:43,520 --> 03:27:45,840
be able to break that out to Nehill

4656
03:27:45,840 --> 03:27:48,560
County versus urban so that we are able

4657
03:27:48,560 --> 03:27:51,120
to see um when we're looking at facility

4658
03:27:51,120 --> 03:27:55,439
usage um both for kneehill residents

4659
03:27:55,439 --> 03:27:57,920
using urbans and for urban residents

4660
03:27:57,920 --> 03:28:00,960
using Kneehill facilities so that we can

4661
03:28:00,960 --> 03:28:03,680
gather a full picture data of of the

4662
03:28:03,680 --> 03:28:06,080
users of those facilities.

4663
03:28:06,080 --> 03:28:09,590
>> Okay. So the funding is county. It's

4664
03:28:09,590 --> 03:28:09,600
» Okay. So the funding is county. It's

4665
03:28:09,600 --> 03:28:11,279
we're funding this

4666
03:28:11,279 --> 03:28:15,670
>> project. Okay. And you said you want to

4667
03:28:15,670 --> 03:28:15,680
» project. Okay. And you said you want to

4668
03:28:15,680 --> 03:28:18,000
do the majority of the surveys hopefully

4669
03:28:18,000 --> 03:28:19,359
in person.

4670
03:28:19,359 --> 03:28:21,429
>> Um is there a way for people to access

4671
03:28:21,429 --> 03:28:21,439
» Um is there a way for people to access

4672
03:28:21,439 --> 03:28:25,279
the survey um through a QR code or some

4673
03:28:25,279 --> 03:28:27,680
other way because I notice it's not very

4674
03:28:27,680 --> 03:28:31,040
visible in our website and so I'm just

4675
03:28:31,040 --> 03:28:32,080
wondering.

4676
03:28:32,080 --> 03:28:34,550
>> Yes. So the website page is upcoming.

4677
03:28:34,550 --> 03:28:34,560
» Yes. So the website page is upcoming.

4678
03:28:34,560 --> 03:28:36,000
We're just working on getting that

4679
03:28:36,000 --> 03:28:38,720
online. Um So then it'll have the link

4680
03:28:38,720 --> 03:28:40,720
for everybody to access. And we are

4681
03:28:40,720 --> 03:28:43,120
working um one of this the things that's

4682
03:28:43,120 --> 03:28:44,800
in the engagement that's being worked on

4683
03:28:44,800 --> 03:28:48,319
right now is uh the social media um

4684
03:28:48,319 --> 03:28:50,960
campaign um that we'll see over the next

4685
03:28:50,960 --> 03:28:53,120
few weeks that will link back to those

4686
03:28:53,120 --> 03:28:55,359
pages. So at this point in time, we're

4687
03:28:55,359 --> 03:28:57,359
in the very early stages of the survey.

4688
03:28:57,359 --> 03:28:58,560
We're just trying to get all of the

4689
03:28:58,560 --> 03:29:00,479
different pieces together, identify the,

4690
03:29:00,479 --> 03:29:02,560
you know, question issues, things like

4691
03:29:02,560 --> 03:29:05,120
that, uh, glitches that come up and then

4692
03:29:05,120 --> 03:29:06,399
we'll be able to have that online

4693
03:29:06,399 --> 03:29:09,040
presence and and have that uh, fully

4694
03:29:09,040 --> 03:29:11,359
accessible and we will absolutely share

4695
03:29:11,359 --> 03:29:13,200
that with council.

4696
03:29:13,200 --> 03:29:15,349
>> Okay. And I mean, if you want feedback

4697
03:29:15,349 --> 03:29:15,359
» Okay. And I mean, if you want feedback

4698
03:29:15,359 --> 03:29:17,680
from council, can you share the survey

4699
03:29:17,680 --> 03:29:19,040
with us and then we could give you

4700
03:29:19,040 --> 03:29:21,840
feedback on how the questions are either

4701
03:29:21,840 --> 03:29:23,760
directed or should be maybe more

4702
03:29:23,760 --> 03:29:24,880
focused?

4703
03:29:24,880 --> 03:29:27,750
>> Uh, absolutely. it is currently live and

4704
03:29:27,750 --> 03:29:27,760
» Uh, absolutely. it is currently live and

4705
03:29:27,760 --> 03:29:30,080
so we will keep things so that the

4706
03:29:30,080 --> 03:29:32,720
questions themselves are um generally

4707
03:29:32,720 --> 03:29:34,239
the same so that we're not trying to

4708
03:29:34,239 --> 03:29:36,239
change things partway through but as for

4709
03:29:36,239 --> 03:29:38,399
wording and and making things more clear

4710
03:29:38,399 --> 03:29:41,120
we can absolutely do that within it

4711
03:29:41,120 --> 03:29:44,070
>> okay just I don't think unless we were

4712
03:29:44,070 --> 03:29:44,080
» okay just I don't think unless we were

4713
03:29:44,080 --> 03:29:46,000
at the event in Three Hills we wouldn't

4714
03:29:46,000 --> 03:29:48,160
have seen the content of the survey

4715
03:29:48,160 --> 03:29:52,389
>> No

4716
03:29:52,399 --> 03:29:53,680
go ahead councelor Cunningham

4717
03:29:53,680 --> 03:29:55,030
>> yeah sorry I feel like I'm ahead of the

4718
03:29:55,030 --> 03:29:55,040
» yeah sorry I feel like I'm ahead of the

4719
03:29:55,040 --> 03:29:56,399
game here because I and and they did

4720
03:29:56,399 --> 03:29:58,000
have little bookmarks that had the QR

4721
03:29:58,000 --> 03:29:59,600
code. So, I don't know if you folks have

4722
03:29:59,600 --> 03:30:00,800
some of those available, maybe you could

4723
03:30:00,800 --> 03:30:02,319
give to council, but yeah.

4724
03:30:02,319 --> 03:30:04,550
>> Um, so, uh, one of the questions that

4725
03:30:04,550 --> 03:30:04,560
» Um, so, uh, one of the questions that

4726
03:30:04,560 --> 03:30:07,200
came to me, um, more than once, question

4727
03:30:07,200 --> 03:30:09,120
23, to help better meet community needs

4728
03:30:09,120 --> 03:30:10,640
for parks and recreation in Nihill

4729
03:30:10,640 --> 03:30:12,319
County, would you support an increase in

4730
03:30:12,319 --> 03:30:15,120
property taxes to enhance existing or

4731
03:30:15,120 --> 03:30:16,880
develop new recreation facilities,

4732
03:30:16,880 --> 03:30:19,040
programs, and services? So, it got asked

4733
03:30:19,040 --> 03:30:22,160
to me, does that include um, a pavilion

4734
03:30:22,160 --> 03:30:24,319
at Horseshoe Canyon? Am I am I

4735
03:30:24,319 --> 03:30:25,920
committing to an increase or approving

4736
03:30:25,920 --> 03:30:27,600
increase of tax? So, I think we want to

4737
03:30:27,600 --> 03:30:29,600
clarify that because that came to me

4738
03:30:29,600 --> 03:30:31,600
more than once. And then it does ask how

4739
03:30:31,600 --> 03:30:33,359
much would you be willing to pay because

4740
03:30:33,359 --> 03:30:34,319
somebody said, well, it could be

4741
03:30:34,319 --> 03:30:36,000
perceived as a recreational facility. It

4742
03:30:36,000 --> 03:30:37,920
could be perceived as a tourism. So,

4743
03:30:37,920 --> 03:30:39,760
that that one I think we're going to get

4744
03:30:39,760 --> 03:30:42,319
fast and furious. So, I would see a real

4745
03:30:42,319 --> 03:30:44,319
need for clarification within that one.

4746
03:30:44,319 --> 03:30:44,630
>> Yeah.

4747
03:30:44,630 --> 03:30:44,640
» Yeah.

4748
03:30:44,640 --> 03:30:46,389
>> Yeah. Please. And the intent with that

4749
03:30:46,389 --> 03:30:46,399
» Yeah. Please. And the intent with that

4750
03:30:46,399 --> 03:30:49,040
question was a general um you know if

4751
03:30:49,040 --> 03:30:51,120
you're looking similar to how the Trochu

4752
03:30:51,120 --> 03:30:54,800
pool is funded through the additional um

4753
03:30:54,800 --> 03:30:58,239
tax to the area of the residents round

4754
03:30:58,239 --> 03:31:01,680
um and so in general is that something

4755
03:31:01,680 --> 03:31:03,680
you're in favor of or do you not want to

4756
03:31:03,680 --> 03:31:06,000
see additional taxes overall? Um but we

4757
03:31:06,000 --> 03:31:07,439
can absolutely look at the clarification

4758
03:31:07,439 --> 03:31:09,439
of that and give people some context to

4759
03:31:09,439 --> 03:31:10,319
it.

4760
03:31:10,319 --> 03:31:11,910
>> Yeah. And I think because of the

4761
03:31:11,910 --> 03:31:11,920
» Yeah. And I think because of the

4762
03:31:11,920 --> 03:31:14,319
conversation that's been

4763
03:31:14,319 --> 03:31:16,640
more prominent here at the council table

4764
03:31:16,640 --> 03:31:18,319
around what's happening in Horseshoe

4765
03:31:18,319 --> 03:31:19,760
Canyon and some of the initiatives

4766
03:31:19,760 --> 03:31:21,600
there, it's going to be very easy to

4767
03:31:21,600 --> 03:31:23,920
confuse the question as to be specific

4768
03:31:23,920 --> 03:31:26,640
to Horseshoe Canyon. So if we're asking

4769
03:31:26,640 --> 03:31:28,479
a more general question, we need to be

4770
03:31:28,479 --> 03:31:30,800
very clear in the intent so that people

4771
03:31:30,800 --> 03:31:32,080
understand

4772
03:31:32,080 --> 03:31:33,910
>> exactly what the intent is because the

4773
03:31:33,910 --> 03:31:33,920
» exactly what the intent is because the

4774
03:31:33,920 --> 03:31:35,920
feedback will be probably relatively

4775
03:31:35,920 --> 03:31:38,319
negative about recreation funding if

4776
03:31:38,319 --> 03:31:40,160
it's specific.

4777
03:31:40,160 --> 03:31:42,319
the horse you can depending on what part

4778
03:31:42,319 --> 03:31:43,760
of the county you're in and depending on

4779
03:31:43,760 --> 03:31:45,359
the individuals.

4780
03:31:45,359 --> 03:31:48,550
>> Yeah, absolutely.

4781
03:31:48,550 --> 03:31:48,560
» Yeah, absolutely.

4782
03:31:48,560 --> 03:31:51,030
>> Other thoughts or questions?

4783
03:31:51,030 --> 03:31:51,040
» Other thoughts or questions?

4784
03:31:51,040 --> 03:31:53,439
Uh, councelor Phobes, please.

4785
03:31:53,439 --> 03:31:55,990
>> So, I um we do strategic plan every four

4786
03:31:55,990 --> 03:31:56,000
» So, I um we do strategic plan every four

4787
03:31:56,000 --> 03:31:58,160
years when a new council gets on. So, I

4788
03:31:58,160 --> 03:32:00,239
guess this would be more for um CEO

4789
03:32:00,239 --> 03:32:03,120
Hogan is is will this report be in

4790
03:32:03,120 --> 03:32:05,040
conjunction with that with the new

4791
03:32:05,040 --> 03:32:06,960
council that will be going through that

4792
03:32:06,960 --> 03:32:10,080
um that strategic plan when anyone comes

4793
03:32:10,080 --> 03:32:12,560
on just confirming that for

4794
03:32:12,560 --> 03:32:14,950
>> Mr. Hogan if you would please

4795
03:32:14,950 --> 03:32:14,960
» Mr. Hogan if you would please

4796
03:32:14,960 --> 03:32:16,469
>> through the chair the intent is that

4797
03:32:16,469 --> 03:32:16,479
» through the chair the intent is that

4798
03:32:16,479 --> 03:32:17,760
this would be tied into council

4799
03:32:17,760 --> 03:32:19,359
decision- making going forward so when

4800
03:32:19,359 --> 03:32:21,279
they look at the next 10 years so

4801
03:32:21,279 --> 03:32:23,200
whether that's strategic planning uh

4802
03:32:23,200 --> 03:32:26,640
yearly budget identifying whether uh

4803
03:32:26,640 --> 03:32:28,560
what facilities council may want to go

4804
03:32:28,560 --> 03:32:31,120
forward with or not um and that's when I

4805
03:32:31,120 --> 03:32:32,720
say that I'm meaning that in context of

4806
03:32:32,720 --> 03:32:34,319
not just council's decision by

4807
03:32:34,319 --> 03:32:37,200
themselves but as a region um so as an

4808
03:32:37,200 --> 03:32:40,080
example um I hope I'm not overstepping

4809
03:32:40,080 --> 03:32:42,640
uh overpromising anything here, but you

4810
03:32:42,640 --> 03:32:45,439
know, we currently have three arenas,

4811
03:32:45,439 --> 03:32:47,840
three indoor arenas in the county. Um,

4812
03:32:47,840 --> 03:32:49,920
do we need three? Do we need five? Do we

4813
03:32:49,920 --> 03:32:52,319
need two? Right? That starts to

4814
03:32:52,319 --> 03:32:55,279
influence decisions that we make with uh

4815
03:32:55,279 --> 03:32:56,880
not just with among our own

4816
03:32:56,880 --> 03:32:59,040
municipality, but in in partnerships or

4817
03:32:59,040 --> 03:33:03,830
discussions with our neighbors as well.

4818
03:33:03,840 --> 03:33:06,160
Um, Deputy McGee,

4819
03:33:06,160 --> 03:33:08,070
>> I just wanted to go back to the uh

4820
03:33:08,070 --> 03:33:08,080
» I just wanted to go back to the uh

4821
03:33:08,080 --> 03:33:11,520
generalized question. Um,

4822
03:33:11,520 --> 03:33:13,439
it's a real hard line for council to

4823
03:33:13,439 --> 03:33:15,200
know when we're getting into the weeds

4824
03:33:15,200 --> 03:33:18,399
that is for you to do and uh when it is

4825
03:33:18,399 --> 03:33:20,560
time to speak up. I I struggle with that

4826
03:33:20,560 --> 03:33:22,319
sometimes and this is an example of

4827
03:33:22,319 --> 03:33:25,040
that. The reality is council is your

4828
03:33:25,040 --> 03:33:28,640
first line on of the feel of people and

4829
03:33:28,640 --> 03:33:31,120
how people interpret the information.

4830
03:33:31,120 --> 03:33:35,439
And we here have more of a

4831
03:33:35,439 --> 03:33:37,680
academic style of understanding the

4832
03:33:37,680 --> 03:33:40,640
information as to opposed a real life in

4833
03:33:40,640 --> 03:33:43,359
their homes style. And I think sometimes

4834
03:33:43,359 --> 03:33:46,000
when we do surveys we forget to adapt it

4835
03:33:46,000 --> 03:33:48,640
to that. So a general question is

4836
03:33:48,640 --> 03:33:50,640
absolutely intimidating and and

4837
03:33:50,640 --> 03:33:52,319
difficult for people to ask. I think

4838
03:33:52,319 --> 03:33:54,960
you'll find out from my experiences from

4839
03:33:54,960 --> 03:33:57,040
other jobs where I used to do surveys,

4840
03:33:57,040 --> 03:33:58,960
they tend not to be answered wholesomely

4841
03:33:58,960 --> 03:34:00,960
and become not valuable information in

4842
03:34:00,960 --> 03:34:03,920
the end after all. So I really uh would

4843
03:34:03,920 --> 03:34:07,040
encourage for me it would make more

4844
03:34:07,040 --> 03:34:09,680
important I would really appreciate

4845
03:34:09,680 --> 03:34:12,800
knowing would you put more money towards

4846
03:34:12,800 --> 03:34:14,960
more playgrounds, would you put money

4847
03:34:14,960 --> 03:34:17,359
towards sporting events? If you

4848
03:34:17,359 --> 03:34:19,760
categorize those so that people know

4849
03:34:19,760 --> 03:34:21,760
specifically what you're talking about,

4850
03:34:21,760 --> 03:34:23,600
they would be willing to answer. But

4851
03:34:23,600 --> 03:34:25,040
when you make it general like that,

4852
03:34:25,040 --> 03:34:28,319
they're going to say no or not do it

4853
03:34:28,319 --> 03:34:29,439
because they don't know what they're

4854
03:34:29,439 --> 03:34:31,760
saying yes to. They do need a very clear

4855
03:34:31,760 --> 03:34:33,680
language to answer that question

4856
03:34:33,680 --> 03:34:35,040
honestly.

4857
03:34:35,040 --> 03:34:38,469
>> And and so that's my feedback and uh do

4858
03:34:38,469 --> 03:34:38,479
» And and so that's my feedback and uh do

4859
03:34:38,479 --> 03:34:42,479
with it what you think is wise.

4860
03:34:42,479 --> 03:34:45,600
I guess the other question I had um and

4861
03:34:45,600 --> 03:34:47,920
again it's around the context of what

4862
03:34:47,920 --> 03:34:50,399
Nehil County currently is doing. Is

4863
03:34:50,399 --> 03:34:52,720
there information or awareness being

4864
03:34:52,720 --> 03:34:55,600
provided to the survey respondents

4865
03:34:55,600 --> 03:34:58,479
around the amount of funding Neihill

4866
03:34:58,479 --> 03:35:00,160
County currently is putting into

4867
03:35:00,160 --> 03:35:01,680
recreation

4868
03:35:01,680 --> 03:35:04,960
facilities and activities outside of the

4869
03:35:04,960 --> 03:35:07,279
actual confines of Neil County. So what

4870
03:35:07,279 --> 03:35:09,040
we're doing with our urban partners and

4871
03:35:09,040 --> 03:35:10,960
the amount of money that's already being

4872
03:35:10,960 --> 03:35:13,200
spent in those environments because it

4873
03:35:13,200 --> 03:35:14,720
does provide a context because

4874
03:35:14,720 --> 03:35:16,399
oftentimes

4875
03:35:16,399 --> 03:35:19,840
um residents don't recognize boundaries,

4876
03:35:19,840 --> 03:35:24,720
municipalities do. And so um it's it's

4877
03:35:24,720 --> 03:35:28,000
difficult sometimes for residents to um

4878
03:35:28,000 --> 03:35:30,160
recognize that there is a so when you

4879
03:35:30,160 --> 03:35:32,560
ask people where they live, not very

4880
03:35:32,560 --> 03:35:36,000
many people say Nhill County.

4881
03:35:36,000 --> 03:35:37,920
I a habit of saying that because I

4882
03:35:37,920 --> 03:35:39,680
happen to be a counselor and sitting as

4883
03:35:39,680 --> 03:35:41,680
Reeve for Nehil County. My wife says

4884
03:35:41,680 --> 03:35:44,800
Troer I say no dear we live in Nehill

4885
03:35:44,800 --> 03:35:48,640
County just to get that clarity but the

4886
03:35:48,640 --> 03:35:52,080
boundary for expenditures of funding for

4887
03:35:52,080 --> 03:35:53,760
Nehill County doesn't end at our

4888
03:35:53,760 --> 03:35:55,520
boundary. It crosses those boundaries

4889
03:35:55,520 --> 03:35:58,160
into the urbans and we are supporting

4890
03:35:58,160 --> 03:36:00,880
and helping recreation take place in our

4891
03:36:00,880 --> 03:36:03,760
urban neighbors. um that funding does

4892
03:36:03,760 --> 03:36:06,319
not necessarily flow back the other way.

4893
03:36:06,319 --> 03:36:09,359
And so I think there needs to be the

4894
03:36:09,359 --> 03:36:11,120
context needs to be an understanding of

4895
03:36:11,120 --> 03:36:14,080
what recreation means not only to

4896
03:36:14,080 --> 03:36:16,560
Knehill County but to our urbans and I

4897
03:36:16,560 --> 03:36:18,800
agree with where we're going with it but

4898
03:36:18,800 --> 03:36:20,080
at the same time there needs to be

4899
03:36:20,080 --> 03:36:22,880
clarity about how that funding happens

4900
03:36:22,880 --> 03:36:26,479
too. So, and so I I'm not sure that the

4901
03:36:26,479 --> 03:36:29,279
purpose of this whole uh engagement is

4902
03:36:29,279 --> 03:36:32,319
to get to that level or not, but when

4903
03:36:32,319 --> 03:36:34,800
we're asking people already if they're

4904
03:36:34,800 --> 03:36:36,640
supportive of spending more money, do

4905
03:36:36,640 --> 03:36:38,239
they understand how much money we

4906
03:36:38,239 --> 03:36:40,160
currently are spending and where that

4907
03:36:40,160 --> 03:36:42,319
money is being directed? And to me,

4908
03:36:42,319 --> 03:36:44,479
that's an important part. So, when you

4909
03:36:44,479 --> 03:36:46,319
come and say to me, am I supportive of

4910
03:36:46,319 --> 03:36:48,720
spending more money? First and foremost,

4911
03:36:48,720 --> 03:36:50,399
I have to know what money is being spent

4912
03:36:50,399 --> 03:36:52,960
and where it's being spent. And so

4913
03:36:52,960 --> 03:36:55,359
that's that's a big part of the clarity

4914
03:36:55,359 --> 03:36:58,560
I think that's required. And so when you

4915
03:36:58,560 --> 03:37:00,080
say to me, would you spend more money on

4916
03:37:00,080 --> 03:37:02,800
the recreation? I'm going to say yes

4917
03:37:02,800 --> 03:37:04,399
because of my awareness of what's

4918
03:37:04,399 --> 03:37:06,239
happening. But not everybody's going to

4919
03:37:06,239 --> 03:37:09,120
say that because they're not necessarily

4920
03:37:09,120 --> 03:37:11,520
either prepared to support more

4921
03:37:11,520 --> 03:37:15,520
recreation or prepared to support

4922
03:37:15,520 --> 03:37:19,510
um or

4923
03:37:19,520 --> 03:37:21,840
um facilities.

4924
03:37:21,840 --> 03:37:24,239
um if they don't exactly know what we're

4925
03:37:24,239 --> 03:37:26,720
currently doing. That's to me that's

4926
03:37:26,720 --> 03:37:30,160
what So when people talk to me about say

4927
03:37:30,160 --> 03:37:32,479
a facility like Horseshoe Canyon and the

4928
03:37:32,479 --> 03:37:35,600
money that Neil County spends there,

4929
03:37:35,600 --> 03:37:37,439
if I said to them, do you realize that

4930
03:37:37,439 --> 03:37:39,920
we've spent as much money in the Ronor

4931
03:37:39,920 --> 03:37:42,319
Memorial Arena as we've spent in

4932
03:37:42,319 --> 03:37:45,279
Horseshoe Canyon?

4933
03:37:45,279 --> 03:37:47,760
If if that was a true statement, a lot

4934
03:37:47,760 --> 03:37:49,840
of them would not be aware of that. But

4935
03:37:49,840 --> 03:37:51,359
they would know what money has been

4936
03:37:51,359 --> 03:37:53,359
spent in the one facility but not

4937
03:37:53,359 --> 03:37:55,200
necessarily to maintain the other. And

4938
03:37:55,200 --> 03:37:59,439
so that's there's complexity that

4939
03:37:59,439 --> 03:38:01,830
>> I think as deputy reed McGee was

4940
03:38:01,830 --> 03:38:01,840
» I think as deputy reed McGee was

4941
03:38:01,840 --> 03:38:03,920
implying that as counselors we

4942
03:38:03,920 --> 03:38:05,840
understand some of that complexity but

4943
03:38:05,840 --> 03:38:07,760
not necessarily the everyday man on the

4944
03:38:07,760 --> 03:38:09,920
street.

4945
03:38:09,920 --> 03:38:12,560
So that's to me that's one of the

4946
03:38:12,560 --> 03:38:14,720
concerns I have is in terms of that

4947
03:38:14,720 --> 03:38:16,399
understanding and having the base

4948
03:38:16,399 --> 03:38:18,080
knowledge to begin to answer the

4949
03:38:18,080 --> 03:38:23,830
questions.

4950
03:38:23,840 --> 03:38:24,640
» Um

4951
03:38:24,640 --> 03:38:27,429
>> you ask for feedback

4952
03:38:27,429 --> 03:38:27,439
» you ask for feedback

4953
03:38:27,439 --> 03:38:29,670
>> and we're always happy to receive it.

4954
03:38:29,670 --> 03:38:29,680
» and we're always happy to receive it.

4955
03:38:29,680 --> 03:38:32,560
Um, so with that, that kind of context

4956
03:38:32,560 --> 03:38:34,399
will be included in the final report.

4957
03:38:34,399 --> 03:38:37,359
But in regards to the survey here, um,

4958
03:38:37,359 --> 03:38:38,800
is that something that you would be

4959
03:38:38,800 --> 03:38:41,200
looking for us to add to the survey and

4960
03:38:41,200 --> 03:38:45,359
to these discussions? Um, because it's

4961
03:38:45,359 --> 03:38:47,520
currently in part of the data analysis

4962
03:38:47,520 --> 03:38:51,200
portion and where we're at right now. we

4963
03:38:51,200 --> 03:38:53,040
can put things uh into the

4964
03:38:53,040 --> 03:38:55,200
categorization like um had been

4965
03:38:55,200 --> 03:38:57,920
requested, you know, putting would you

4966
03:38:57,920 --> 03:39:01,040
support more funding to playgrounds or

4967
03:39:01,040 --> 03:39:03,680
these specific things. Um but I don't

4968
03:39:03,680 --> 03:39:06,880
know if we have the information together

4969
03:39:06,880 --> 03:39:08,720
right now to be able to get it into the

4970
03:39:08,720 --> 03:39:11,600
survey in a timely manner um in that

4971
03:39:11,600 --> 03:39:12,239
way.

4972
03:39:12,239 --> 03:39:14,070
>> Yeah. So maybe just following up on that

4973
03:39:14,070 --> 03:39:14,080
» Yeah. So maybe just following up on that

4974
03:39:14,080 --> 03:39:16,479
as well. one um exactly as Fall has

4975
03:39:16,479 --> 03:39:18,560
mentioned in terms of categorizing where

4976
03:39:18,560 --> 03:39:20,800
the money is or where people would be

4977
03:39:20,800 --> 03:39:21,840
willing to spend money. I think

4978
03:39:21,840 --> 03:39:23,520
absolutely we can make that adjustment.

4979
03:39:23,520 --> 03:39:27,359
we should also be able to just um key in

4980
03:39:27,359 --> 03:39:29,040
the previous responses like accordingly

4981
03:39:29,040 --> 03:39:30,960
and just make like so it wouldn't have

4982
03:39:30,960 --> 03:39:33,120
an effect on anybody who's um already

4983
03:39:33,120 --> 03:39:35,200
done the survey um in terms of what's

4984
03:39:35,200 --> 03:39:38,960
being um discussed um uh for ensuring

4985
03:39:38,960 --> 03:39:40,319
that people understand the context and

4986
03:39:40,319 --> 03:39:41,600
everything exactly as founders mentioned

4987
03:39:41,600 --> 03:39:43,120
it's going to be in the final report but

4988
03:39:43,120 --> 03:39:44,720
I'm also seeing perhaps an opportunity

4989
03:39:44,720 --> 03:39:46,479
that in those other engagements that

4990
03:39:46,479 --> 03:39:47,520
we're going to be doing things like

4991
03:39:47,520 --> 03:39:50,560
focus groups the openhouse specified

4992
03:39:50,560 --> 03:39:52,720
interviews uh group engagement so on and

4993
03:39:52,720 --> 03:39:54,720
so forth we can ensure that that context

4994
03:39:54,720 --> 03:39:56,800
is presented prior to us starting the

4995
03:39:56,800 --> 03:39:58,960
engagement. We usually do that anyway in

4996
03:39:58,960 --> 03:40:00,640
things like group engagement where we

4997
03:40:00,640 --> 03:40:02,319
give an overview of the project and some

4998
03:40:02,319 --> 03:40:04,560
context that already exists. So we can

4999
03:40:04,560 --> 03:40:06,479
just do that as part of that is that you

5000
03:40:06,479 --> 03:40:07,920
know before we ask the question about

5001
03:40:07,920 --> 03:40:09,120
are you willing to spend more money

5002
03:40:09,120 --> 03:40:11,359
which exactly as you know fully

5003
03:40:11,359 --> 03:40:13,200
appreciated here and as is being

5004
03:40:13,200 --> 03:40:15,200
mentioned by council is a very very

5005
03:40:15,200 --> 03:40:17,279
tough question to ask because it's it's

5006
03:40:17,279 --> 03:40:19,359
you know it's your money like um are you

5007
03:40:19,359 --> 03:40:20,800
really willing to spend it? we can

5008
03:40:20,800 --> 03:40:22,720
ensure that when we're doing engagement

5009
03:40:22,720 --> 03:40:26,080
that we are informing people of exactly

5010
03:40:26,080 --> 03:40:28,399
the context that um has been discussed

5011
03:40:28,399 --> 03:40:30,800
so that they are aware of exactly what

5012
03:40:30,800 --> 03:40:32,560
is already being spent and where it is

5013
03:40:32,560 --> 03:40:34,880
being spent before they fully answer

5014
03:40:34,880 --> 03:40:38,319
that question. So I think um in the

5015
03:40:38,319 --> 03:40:40,720
survey um it it it might get to a level

5016
03:40:40,720 --> 03:40:42,560
of detail which could detract from the

5017
03:40:42,560 --> 03:40:44,000
completion of the survey is my only

5018
03:40:44,000 --> 03:40:46,479
concern there. But in terms of providing

5019
03:40:46,479 --> 03:40:48,399
information in these other engagements

5020
03:40:48,399 --> 03:40:50,560
100% and in the final report as well we

5021
03:40:50,560 --> 03:40:52,319
will ensure that it is there.

5022
03:40:52,319 --> 03:40:55,110
>> Mr. Mr. Hogan, you wanted to comment

5023
03:40:55,110 --> 03:40:55,120
» Mr. Mr. Hogan, you wanted to comment

5024
03:40:55,120 --> 03:40:57,110
>> um through through the chair just to

5025
03:40:57,110 --> 03:40:57,120
» um through through the chair just to

5026
03:40:57,120 --> 03:40:58,720
echo some of the concerns that have just

5027
03:40:58,720 --> 03:41:00,880
been brought up around the getting too

5028
03:41:00,880 --> 03:41:02,479
granular with the survey and what

5029
03:41:02,479 --> 03:41:03,920
because there are some things that we

5030
03:41:03,920 --> 03:41:04,800
don't

5031
03:41:04,800 --> 03:41:06,309
>> even asking a question like do you

5032
03:41:06,309 --> 03:41:06,319
» even asking a question like do you

5033
03:41:06,319 --> 03:41:07,439
support spending more money on

5034
03:41:07,439 --> 03:41:09,359
playgrounds without being able to

5035
03:41:09,359 --> 03:41:11,200
demonstrate what a playground actually

5036
03:41:11,200 --> 03:41:13,279
costs? Um you can spend a quarter

5037
03:41:13,279 --> 03:41:15,680
million and not get much of a playground

5038
03:41:15,680 --> 03:41:18,950
>> uh with that. So and I again it's what

5039
03:41:18,950 --> 03:41:18,960
» uh with that. So and I again it's what

5040
03:41:18,960 --> 03:41:20,640
is the public awareness around some of

5041
03:41:20,640 --> 03:41:21,840
those things. So, some of those

5042
03:41:21,840 --> 03:41:25,200
questions I think um are around is there

5043
03:41:25,200 --> 03:41:28,479
a general vibe, right? Is as a member of

5044
03:41:28,479 --> 03:41:30,000
the public, do you feel that you're

5045
03:41:30,000 --> 03:41:31,840
spending enough on that's the wrong way

5046
03:41:31,840 --> 03:41:33,520
to phrase it, are you comfortable with

5047
03:41:33,520 --> 03:41:35,760
where you're with what you feel the

5048
03:41:35,760 --> 03:41:37,680
county is spending on recreation versus

5049
03:41:37,680 --> 03:41:40,080
versus not? Um because when we get into

5050
03:41:40,080 --> 03:41:41,600
the development of some of these sites,

5051
03:41:41,600 --> 03:41:43,200
whether it's a ball diamond, a

5052
03:41:43,200 --> 03:41:45,359
playground, um the costs on some of

5053
03:41:45,359 --> 03:41:46,960
these things, like it's, you know,

5054
03:41:46,960 --> 03:41:48,640
you're not talking tens of thousands to

5055
03:41:48,640 --> 03:41:50,800
develop a playground or sorry, a ball

5056
03:41:50,800 --> 03:41:51,840
diamond. You're actually talking

5057
03:41:51,840 --> 03:41:53,760
hundreds of thousands to develop a ball

5058
03:41:53,760 --> 03:41:57,279
diamond. And so there are as you get

5059
03:41:57,279 --> 03:41:58,960
into some of those things, we can't

5060
03:41:58,960 --> 03:42:01,680
provide all of that detail to

5061
03:42:01,680 --> 03:42:03,439
necessarily inform that decision. And so

5062
03:42:03,439 --> 03:42:05,359
there is a broad sentiment that I think

5063
03:42:05,359 --> 03:42:07,600
the survey looks for and not wanting to

5064
03:42:07,600 --> 03:42:09,279
risk getting too granular with some of

5065
03:42:09,279 --> 03:42:12,239
the some of the items, right? Or as they

5066
03:42:12,239 --> 03:42:13,760
as they go through in terms of when

5067
03:42:13,760 --> 03:42:19,349
people are first filling it out,

5068
03:42:19,359 --> 03:42:21,760
» Mr. Ganon.

5069
03:42:21,760 --> 03:42:23,510
>> Thank uh thank you through the chair. I

5070
03:42:23,510 --> 03:42:23,520
» Thank uh thank you through the chair. I

5071
03:42:23,520 --> 03:42:26,160
just want to add that the purpose of

5072
03:42:26,160 --> 03:42:29,200
this report is to provide findings to

5073
03:42:29,200 --> 03:42:31,840
create opportunity or understanding.

5074
03:42:31,840 --> 03:42:34,880
It's not to propose a project at this

5075
03:42:34,880 --> 03:42:38,239
point or to say we're going to build

5076
03:42:38,239 --> 03:42:41,200
this because a proponent says they're

5077
03:42:41,200 --> 03:42:43,680
willing to spend money on it at this

5078
03:42:43,680 --> 03:42:46,880
time. It's a planning tool for us to

5079
03:42:46,880 --> 03:42:48,399
advise that we've looked at the

5080
03:42:48,399 --> 03:42:50,880
community's needs, what they're using,

5081
03:42:50,880 --> 03:42:53,120
uh what they would like that we

5082
03:42:53,120 --> 03:42:56,640
currently don't have and potentially

5083
03:42:56,640 --> 03:42:58,960
create a master plan to understand where

5084
03:42:58,960 --> 03:43:00,479
we going to go from here, where our

5085
03:43:00,479 --> 03:43:03,120
investment strategies are for that and

5086
03:43:03,120 --> 03:43:06,399
really obtain further knowledge to that

5087
03:43:06,399 --> 03:43:08,080
direction and understanding from

5088
03:43:08,080 --> 03:43:10,960
council. So, this is a tool and the

5089
03:43:10,960 --> 03:43:14,160
stats can be used in multiple ways. uh

5090
03:43:14,160 --> 03:43:16,080
including understanding who's using our

5091
03:43:16,080 --> 03:43:18,640
facilities, what facilities are we using

5092
03:43:18,640 --> 03:43:20,720
when we look at agreements. It's going

5093
03:43:20,720 --> 03:43:23,840
to really pull more and more information

5094
03:43:23,840 --> 03:43:26,560
and data sets to be used in economic

5095
03:43:26,560 --> 03:43:29,199
development in our planning aspects in

5096
03:43:29,199 --> 03:43:30,800
our future parks and wreck

5097
03:43:30,800 --> 03:43:33,680
opportunities. So, this really gives us

5098
03:43:33,680 --> 03:43:36,080
a roadmap to what potentially is that

5099
03:43:36,080 --> 03:43:39,600
next step and look at investment

5100
03:43:39,600 --> 03:43:41,520
strategies or opportunities and make

5101
03:43:41,520 --> 03:43:43,040
sure that we're on the same page with

5102
03:43:43,040 --> 03:43:45,120
council. So, when we put a level of

5103
03:43:45,120 --> 03:43:47,120
effort out there, we're putting it

5104
03:43:47,120 --> 03:43:49,680
strategically and not just doing a

5105
03:43:49,680 --> 03:43:51,359
little bit here, a little bit there, a

5106
03:43:51,359 --> 03:43:53,439
little bit here, and all of a sudden the

5107
03:43:53,439 --> 03:43:57,359
plan does not coincide with uh a future

5108
03:43:57,359 --> 03:44:01,279
direction or opportunity. So, um I just

5109
03:44:01,279 --> 03:44:03,279
want to understand some of these terms

5110
03:44:03,279 --> 03:44:06,399
are real general in nature. Um they're

5111
03:44:06,399 --> 03:44:09,040
intended to be general in nature and and

5112
03:44:09,040 --> 03:44:12,560
unfortunately the IP2 standard really

5113
03:44:12,560 --> 03:44:15,760
talks about um there will be people that

5114
03:44:15,760 --> 03:44:17,279
won't like questions. There will be

5115
03:44:17,279 --> 03:44:19,359
people that will struggle with answering

5116
03:44:19,359 --> 03:44:22,399
some of the questions. Um but it it's

5117
03:44:22,399 --> 03:44:25,359
made to look at stats a generalist point

5118
03:44:25,359 --> 03:44:27,680
of view at this point versus really get

5119
03:44:27,680 --> 03:44:31,840
into that granular aspect of um nuts and

5120
03:44:31,840 --> 03:44:37,910
bolts of budgeting.

5121
03:44:37,920 --> 03:44:42,870
Okay.

5122
03:44:42,880 --> 03:44:45,520
Any other questions from council or

5123
03:44:45,520 --> 03:44:52,070
comments?

5124
03:44:52,080 --> 03:44:54,319
All right. Well, then what I'm going to

5125
03:44:54,319 --> 03:44:57,920
say is thank you for being here today

5126
03:44:57,920 --> 03:44:59,920
and bringing your presentation. It's

5127
03:44:59,920 --> 03:45:01,840
very much appreciated.

5128
03:45:01,840 --> 03:45:04,720
Um, I guess I'll look forward to seeing

5129
03:45:04,720 --> 03:45:06,319
what happens in terms of the public

5130
03:45:06,319 --> 03:45:09,680
engagements and the information that we

5131
03:45:09,680 --> 03:45:12,239
look forward to having come back. So,

5132
03:45:12,239 --> 03:45:14,880
thank you. Um,

5133
03:45:14,880 --> 03:45:17,120
yeah.

5134
03:45:17,120 --> 03:45:18,389
>> Awesome. Thank you.

5135
03:45:18,389 --> 03:45:18,399
» Awesome. Thank you.

5136
03:45:18,399 --> 03:45:20,389
>> Perfect. Likewise, thank you uh so much

5137
03:45:20,389 --> 03:45:20,399
» Perfect. Likewise, thank you uh so much

5138
03:45:20,399 --> 03:45:22,080
to council for having us and allowing us

5139
03:45:22,080 --> 03:45:23,840
to present. And of course, if anything,

5140
03:45:23,840 --> 03:45:25,600
well, we'll be back to, you know, share

5141
03:45:25,600 --> 03:45:27,359
more findings and more information. And

5142
03:45:27,359 --> 03:45:29,359
if any questions come up in the interim

5143
03:45:29,359 --> 03:45:31,600
on anything, please uh you know, through

5144
03:45:31,600 --> 03:45:33,120
Fallon, you can just let us know. We are

5145
03:45:33,120 --> 03:45:35,760
always uh our emails and our phones are

5146
03:45:35,760 --> 03:45:37,600
always open, so we're more than happy to

5147
03:45:37,600 --> 03:45:38,960
answer anything that might come up.

5148
03:45:38,960 --> 03:45:40,239
Thank you again for having us.

5149
03:45:40,239 --> 03:45:44,550
>> Yes. Thanks for being here today.

5150
03:45:44,560 --> 03:45:46,479
» Do you have bookmarks is Debbie's

5151
03:45:46,479 --> 03:45:50,150
question.

5152
03:45:50,160 --> 03:45:56,309
We'll be here for a while.

5153
03:45:56,319 --> 03:46:10,950
» Yeah, we will.

5154
03:46:10,960 --> 03:46:13,439
» Okay, thanks again very much. Appreciate

5155
03:46:13,439 --> 03:46:16,319
you bringing us the update. Thank you.

5156
03:46:16,319 --> 03:46:30,150
All

5157
03:46:30,160 --> 03:46:31,840
right.

5158
03:46:31,840 --> 03:46:39,269
Listening.

5159
03:46:39,279 --> 03:46:45,040
Okay. Um so moving on in our agenda then

5160
03:46:45,040 --> 03:46:50,229
we will be at

5161
03:46:50,239 --> 03:46:54,560
uh 7.1 I believe it is

5162
03:46:54,560 --> 03:46:57,600
just make sure I'm correct

5163
03:46:57,600 --> 03:47:00,720
7.1 which is policy 3-1 council

5164
03:47:00,720 --> 03:47:04,720
compensation and expense reimbursement.

5165
03:47:04,720 --> 03:47:08,239
So welcome Miss Khaled.

5166
03:47:08,239 --> 03:47:10,870
>> Welcome back. Thank you so much. And I

5167
03:47:10,870 --> 03:47:10,880
» Welcome back. Thank you so much. And I

5168
03:47:10,880 --> 03:47:12,399
think we have a few minutes left to

5169
03:47:12,399 --> 03:47:17,030
still say good morning council.

5170
03:47:17,040 --> 03:47:20,479
Almost there, huh? So, I'm here today to

5171
03:47:20,479 --> 03:47:23,359
present the draft policy 3-1, the

5172
03:47:23,359 --> 03:47:25,279
council compensation and expense

5173
03:47:25,279 --> 03:47:29,680
reimbursement. So on August 26th, 2025,

5174
03:47:29,680 --> 03:47:31,520
council directed administration to

5175
03:47:31,520 --> 03:47:33,760
update specific compensation amounts

5176
03:47:33,760 --> 03:47:36,319
within that policy following a

5177
03:47:36,319 --> 03:47:38,160
presentation to council of a

5178
03:47:38,160 --> 03:47:41,040
compensation analysis. This analysis

5179
03:47:41,040 --> 03:47:42,720
compared Nihill County's current

5180
03:47:42,720 --> 03:47:45,199
compensation structure and amounts with

5181
03:47:45,199 --> 03:47:47,840
that of nine other municipalities.

5182
03:47:47,840 --> 03:47:50,160
The same comparator municipalities used

5183
03:47:50,160 --> 03:47:52,640
in the staff compensation review were

5184
03:47:52,640 --> 03:47:54,560
referenced to maintain alignment in the

5185
03:47:54,560 --> 03:47:57,760
benchmarking process.

5186
03:47:57,760 --> 03:47:59,680
This direction stemmed from previous

5187
03:47:59,680 --> 03:48:01,600
discussions around the current review of

5188
03:48:01,600 --> 03:48:03,840
council compensation which is required

5189
03:48:03,840 --> 03:48:08,800
ahead of the 2025 to 2029 council term.

5190
03:48:08,800 --> 03:48:10,720
Rather than establishing an external

5191
03:48:10,720 --> 03:48:12,880
council compensation committee, council

5192
03:48:12,880 --> 03:48:15,199
opted to conduct the review internally

5193
03:48:15,199 --> 03:48:17,920
to ensure consistency with the approach

5194
03:48:17,920 --> 03:48:20,880
used in the previous review cycle.

5195
03:48:20,880 --> 03:48:22,960
Council also identified key components

5196
03:48:22,960 --> 03:48:24,880
of the policy for administration to

5197
03:48:24,880 --> 03:48:27,439
review. Specifically, that would be the

5198
03:48:27,439 --> 03:48:30,000
monthly salary, meeting per DM amounts,

5199
03:48:30,000 --> 03:48:32,800
meal allowances, mileage, communication

5200
03:48:32,800 --> 03:48:34,720
allowances, and divisional meeting

5201
03:48:34,720 --> 03:48:36,960
allowances.

5202
03:48:36,960 --> 03:48:39,040
Administration is presenting the revised

5203
03:48:39,040 --> 03:48:41,920
proposed policy 3-1 for council's

5204
03:48:41,920 --> 03:48:47,429
discussion and consideration.

5205
03:48:47,439 --> 03:48:49,359
Much of the policy's components have

5206
03:48:49,359 --> 03:48:51,760
remained the same. If council wishes, I

5207
03:48:51,760 --> 03:48:53,680
can go over all the components of the

5208
03:48:53,680 --> 03:48:56,000
policy or we can focus on the aspects

5209
03:48:56,000 --> 03:48:57,840
that have changed. So, I'm looking to

5210
03:48:57,840 --> 03:48:59,359
see how council would want to proceed

5211
03:48:59,359 --> 03:49:02,870
with that.

5212
03:49:02,880 --> 03:49:04,399
» Do you want to walk through the policy

5213
03:49:04,399 --> 03:49:08,640
or you want to deal with the changes?

5214
03:49:08,640 --> 03:49:11,830
>> Sounds like um the desire is to deal

5215
03:49:11,830 --> 03:49:11,840
» Sounds like um the desire is to deal

5216
03:49:11,840 --> 03:49:14,160
with the things that are changing. So,

5217
03:49:14,160 --> 03:49:18,150
if you don't mind, please.

5218
03:49:18,160 --> 03:49:20,160
» Okay. With the changes that we'll be

5219
03:49:20,160 --> 03:49:21,920
focusing on, before we get into the

5220
03:49:21,920 --> 03:49:24,399
numbers, I did want to note a proposed

5221
03:49:24,399 --> 03:49:27,520
change for wording. This would be on

5222
03:49:27,520 --> 03:49:32,319
page 84 of the package. Um, number 18 to

5223
03:49:32,319 --> 03:49:35,279
it's um the REV allowance for attending

5224
03:49:35,279 --> 03:49:38,080
ad hoc meetings.

5225
03:49:38,080 --> 03:49:40,319
The last part of that sentence states

5226
03:49:40,319 --> 03:49:42,479
the reev is authorized to attend and

5227
03:49:42,479 --> 03:49:45,920
receive a perdm for his attendance.

5228
03:49:45,920 --> 03:49:47,760
Administration is proposing to change

5229
03:49:47,760 --> 03:49:50,160
that wording to his slash her

5230
03:49:50,160 --> 03:49:57,110
attendance.

5231
03:49:57,120 --> 03:49:58,800
So we can take that into consideration

5232
03:49:58,800 --> 03:50:01,520
as we're moving forward.

5233
03:50:01,520 --> 03:50:04,000
As for the aspects that have changed,

5234
03:50:04,000 --> 03:50:06,720
the monthly salary was discussed to be

5235
03:50:06,720 --> 03:50:10,720
changed for the reev from 3,122

5236
03:50:10,720 --> 03:50:12,880
to 3,450.

5237
03:50:12,880 --> 03:50:15,439
The deputy reef amount would change from

5238
03:50:15,439 --> 03:50:17,359
2,667

5239
03:50:17,359 --> 03:50:20,000
to 3,000 and the counselor amount would

5240
03:50:20,000 --> 03:50:23,279
change from 2,334

5241
03:50:23,279 --> 03:50:27,189
to 2,700.

5242
03:50:27,199 --> 03:50:29,199
The current salary amounts are the

5243
03:50:29,199 --> 03:50:31,040
current the corrected amounts that were

5244
03:50:31,040 --> 03:50:34,319
presented in the August 26th, 2025

5245
03:50:34,319 --> 03:50:36,239
council meeting. As mentioned in the

5246
03:50:36,239 --> 03:50:38,239
policy, the monthly rate will be revised

5247
03:50:38,239 --> 03:50:40,960
every year as needed based on market

5248
03:50:40,960 --> 03:50:42,560
adjustments.

5249
03:50:42,560 --> 03:50:45,760
Another aspect that was also changed was

5250
03:50:45,760 --> 03:50:49,040
the meeting per DMs in terms of the

5251
03:50:49,040 --> 03:50:51,520
administration corrected amounts. So the

5252
03:50:51,520 --> 03:50:54,479
current policy now shows that it's 180

5253
03:50:54,479 --> 03:50:58,160
for half day and for full day 361 which

5254
03:50:58,160 --> 03:51:00,720
is now going to be reflected in the

5255
03:51:00,720 --> 03:51:04,640
proposed policy. And similar to the

5256
03:51:04,640 --> 03:51:07,439
previous aspect, the current policy per

5257
03:51:07,439 --> 03:51:09,840
DM amounts will also be revised every

5258
03:51:09,840 --> 03:51:11,680
year as needed based on the market

5259
03:51:11,680 --> 03:51:13,199
adjustments.

5260
03:51:13,199 --> 03:51:14,960
And the last aspect that would be

5261
03:51:14,960 --> 03:51:17,359
changed is the meal allowance. This

5262
03:51:17,359 --> 03:51:20,960
would be to be in line with policy 3-3

5263
03:51:20,960 --> 03:51:23,199
council appointees reimbursement. So

5264
03:51:23,199 --> 03:51:27,040
breakfast will change from $15 to $20.

5265
03:51:27,040 --> 03:51:30,160
Lunch will be the same $15 to $20 and

5266
03:51:30,160 --> 03:51:33,359
dinner will change from 25 to 30. So the

5267
03:51:33,359 --> 03:51:35,199
total amount that will be changed will

5268
03:51:35,199 --> 03:51:40,399
be 55 per day to $70 per day.

5269
03:51:40,399 --> 03:51:42,560
the meal compensation model which would

5270
03:51:42,560 --> 03:51:44,399
be the receipt based or the established

5271
03:51:44,399 --> 03:51:46,000
meal allowance amount will remain

5272
03:51:46,000 --> 03:51:47,680
unchanged

5273
03:51:47,680 --> 03:51:49,760
and with that I will conclude the

5274
03:51:49,760 --> 03:51:53,920
presentation. Thank you

5275
03:51:53,920 --> 03:51:57,600
and thank you escalid. Um questions from

5276
03:51:57,600 --> 03:52:11,750
council, comment, uh discussion,

5277
03:52:11,760 --> 03:52:19,030
very quiet group.

5278
03:52:19,040 --> 03:52:22,239
» Uh Deputy Reed McGee,

5279
03:52:22,239 --> 03:52:25,670
>> I am feeling uncomfortable with the uh

5280
03:52:25,670 --> 03:52:25,680
» I am feeling uncomfortable with the uh

5281
03:52:25,680 --> 03:52:29,279
rate of increase to our monthly salary.

5282
03:52:29,279 --> 03:52:31,439
Um it's just for feedback. I know we've

5283
03:52:31,439 --> 03:52:33,199
gone around the table lots with it and

5284
03:52:33,199 --> 03:52:36,479
this is where we landed, but I just feel

5285
03:52:36,479 --> 03:52:38,880
that's still a bit on the high side. Um

5286
03:52:38,880 --> 03:52:43,840
I'd rather see that our increases are um

5287
03:52:43,840 --> 03:52:46,720
like I'm thinking like 255 for the

5288
03:52:46,720 --> 03:52:57,189
counselor.

5289
03:52:57,199 --> 03:52:58,880
Uh, Deputy A, do you want to be more

5290
03:52:58,880 --> 03:53:00,479
clear in terms of the numbers that

5291
03:53:00,479 --> 03:53:03,920
you're considering or suggesting?

5292
03:53:03,920 --> 03:53:05,990
>> So, yeah, for I sorry, I just worked out

5293
03:53:05,990 --> 03:53:06,000
» So, yeah, for I sorry, I just worked out

5294
03:53:06,000 --> 03:53:08,640
the number for for counselor amount

5295
03:53:08,640 --> 03:53:13,040
would be um 2500

5296
03:53:13,040 --> 03:53:16,319
and then um accordingly I didn't work

5297
03:53:16,319 --> 03:53:34,469
out from there. I'm sorry, but

5298
03:53:34,479 --> 03:53:37,279
so if you do the math, it would be 2500,

5299
03:53:37,279 --> 03:53:49,189
2,800, and 3250.

5300
03:53:49,199 --> 03:53:50,560
just make a comment.

5301
03:53:50,560 --> 03:53:52,229
>> Go ahead, councelor Peter, please.

5302
03:53:52,229 --> 03:53:52,239
» Go ahead, councelor Peter, please.

5303
03:53:52,239 --> 03:53:55,670
>> Um, so I'm going to disagree with Deputy

5304
03:53:55,670 --> 03:53:55,680
» Um, so I'm going to disagree with Deputy

5305
03:53:55,680 --> 03:53:59,520
Ree McGee. Um, and the reason is I know

5306
03:53:59,520 --> 03:54:02,080
I am stepping down, but I want to make

5307
03:54:02,080 --> 03:54:03,359
sure that everybody has the opportunity

5308
03:54:03,359 --> 03:54:05,680
to sit in this chair because it does

5309
03:54:05,680 --> 03:54:10,560
take a lot of your time and so um, you

5310
03:54:10,560 --> 03:54:14,160
got to be able to

5311
03:54:14,160 --> 03:54:17,120
encourage or get those people that are

5312
03:54:17,120 --> 03:54:19,279
teetering on whether to to become a

5313
03:54:19,279 --> 03:54:22,000
counselor or not because of today's cost

5314
03:54:22,000 --> 03:54:26,239
of living. Um so I I I like what I see

5315
03:54:26,239 --> 03:54:27,680
in front of you and I thank you for

5316
03:54:27,680 --> 03:54:29,760
presenting um over the last numerous

5317
03:54:29,760 --> 03:54:32,399
meetings to us. Um but that's just my

5318
03:54:32,399 --> 03:54:34,319
feeling.

5319
03:54:34,319 --> 03:54:35,830
>> Thank you councelor Penner. Councelor

5320
03:54:35,830 --> 03:54:35,840
» Thank you councelor Penner. Councelor

5321
03:54:35,840 --> 03:54:39,990
Witstock.

5322
03:54:40,000 --> 03:54:43,600
» As far as the renumeration goes, I I

5323
03:54:43,600 --> 03:54:46,160
think the reason that we've we've gone

5324
03:54:46,160 --> 03:54:48,960
up as much as we have is because we were

5325
03:54:48,960 --> 03:54:51,520
never taxed prior to the federal

5326
03:54:51,520 --> 03:54:54,960
government taking on that uh taxation

5327
03:54:54,960 --> 03:55:00,319
part for municipal counselors pay. So

5328
03:55:00,319 --> 03:55:04,239
what we used to get previously

5329
03:55:04,239 --> 03:55:07,840
is probably more than what we're getting

5330
03:55:07,840 --> 03:55:09,840
now when you consider it's going to be

5331
03:55:09,840 --> 03:55:11,760
taxed.

5332
03:55:11,760 --> 03:55:13,520
And

5333
03:55:13,520 --> 03:55:16,720
is that a reason to increase? And we're

5334
03:55:16,720 --> 03:55:18,560
looking at not our wages, we're looking

5335
03:55:18,560 --> 03:55:21,279
at the next council's wages.

5336
03:55:21,279 --> 03:55:22,479
I mean, if they're going to come in,

5337
03:55:22,479 --> 03:55:25,120
they're going to get taxed on their uh

5338
03:55:25,120 --> 03:55:29,590
monthly salaries.

5339
03:55:29,600 --> 03:55:31,199
I mean, it's great to look at these

5340
03:55:31,199 --> 03:55:32,560
numbers and say, "Well, that's too

5341
03:55:32,560 --> 03:55:35,359
much." But it's when you get your check,

5342
03:55:35,359 --> 03:55:36,479
you're going to say, "Well, where is

5343
03:55:36,479 --> 03:55:38,399
what? Where's the numbers that I was

5344
03:55:38,399 --> 03:55:39,760
told?" Good

5345
03:55:39,760 --> 03:55:40,469
>> point.

5346
03:55:40,469 --> 03:55:40,479
» point.

5347
03:55:40,479 --> 03:55:41,990
>> So,

5348
03:55:41,990 --> 03:55:42,000
» So,

5349
03:55:42,000 --> 03:55:43,920
I mean, if it wasn't the taxation part,

5350
03:55:43,920 --> 03:55:46,720
I if the feds hadn't changed the

5351
03:55:46,720 --> 03:55:48,800
taxation part, I think we'd have been

5352
03:55:48,800 --> 03:55:50,720
all right. But they did change it.

5353
03:55:50,720 --> 03:55:51,590
>> They did.

5354
03:55:51,590 --> 03:55:51,600
» They did.

5355
03:55:51,600 --> 03:55:53,590
>> So, that's that's my comment to this.

5356
03:55:53,590 --> 03:55:53,600
» So, that's that's my comment to this.

5357
03:55:53,600 --> 03:55:55,600
And as far as a predium goes, I know

5358
03:55:55,600 --> 03:55:56,800
you're not going to get rich sitting

5359
03:55:56,800 --> 03:55:59,520
here, but

5360
03:55:59,520 --> 03:56:04,790
you do spend a lot of time sitting here.

5361
03:56:04,800 --> 03:56:06,399
» Thank you for that, Council Wistock.

5362
03:56:06,399 --> 03:56:07,520
Councelor Christie, please.

5363
03:56:07,520 --> 03:56:09,429
>> I guess my comments similar to FaZe

5364
03:56:09,429 --> 03:56:09,439
» I guess my comments similar to FaZe

5365
03:56:09,439 --> 03:56:10,960
where I thought it was high and then I

5366
03:56:10,960 --> 03:56:13,199
remembered that this is spread over four

5367
03:56:13,199 --> 03:56:15,279
years. So then all of a sudden it

5368
03:56:15,279 --> 03:56:17,840
doesn't look so high. So that's the part

5369
03:56:17,840 --> 03:56:19,279
that I looked at. So I'm comfortable

5370
03:56:19,279 --> 03:56:22,319
with where we're at.

5371
03:56:22,319 --> 03:56:24,870
>> Okay. Any other comments, discussion?

5372
03:56:24,870 --> 03:56:24,880
» Okay. Any other comments, discussion?

5373
03:56:24,880 --> 03:56:26,160
Councelor Cunningham, please.

5374
03:56:26,160 --> 03:56:27,429
>> Sorry. And I know we talked about this

5375
03:56:27,429 --> 03:56:27,439
» Sorry. And I know we talked about this

5376
03:56:27,439 --> 03:56:29,520
last time, but if you guys could just

5377
03:56:29,520 --> 03:56:33,520
remind me um I know um the um councelor

5378
03:56:33,520 --> 03:56:37,359
that sat in my chair last time was um

5379
03:56:37,359 --> 03:56:40,560
pretty advocated for lower wages for

5380
03:56:40,560 --> 03:56:42,239
council and and I believe it's another

5381
03:56:42,239 --> 03:56:43,520
council member that actually brought it

5382
03:56:43,520 --> 03:56:46,319
forward. So

5383
03:56:46,319 --> 03:56:48,960
the previous council took a wage

5384
03:56:48,960 --> 03:56:50,800
reduction. Can you just remind me at

5385
03:56:50,800 --> 03:56:53,680
that time how much of a wage reduction

5386
03:56:53,680 --> 03:56:55,680
that council took because that I mean

5387
03:56:55,680 --> 03:56:58,000
that's quite

5388
03:56:58,000 --> 03:57:01,760
unheard of right in in business or in

5389
03:57:01,760 --> 03:57:04,640
any other industry taking a reduction

5390
03:57:04,640 --> 03:57:06,560
does not happen that often. So I'm just

5391
03:57:06,560 --> 03:57:09,199
curious like are we does do these

5392
03:57:09,199 --> 03:57:13,359
current um rates reflect close to what

5393
03:57:13,359 --> 03:57:15,040
what the previous council was making

5394
03:57:15,040 --> 03:57:18,000
before it was reduced?

5395
03:57:18,000 --> 03:57:20,790
>> Does anybody know?

5396
03:57:20,790 --> 03:57:20,800
» Does anybody know?

5397
03:57:20,800 --> 03:57:22,560
and we discussed it and sorry I just I

5398
03:57:22,560 --> 03:57:24,160
can't I don't have it with me either. So

5399
03:57:24,160 --> 03:57:25,760
yeah,

5400
03:57:25,760 --> 03:57:26,870
>> Deputy Eve McGee

5401
03:57:26,870 --> 03:57:26,880
» Deputy Eve McGee

5402
03:57:26,880 --> 03:57:28,389
>> I don't have an answer for how much of a

5403
03:57:28,389 --> 03:57:28,399
» I don't have an answer for how much of a

5404
03:57:28,399 --> 03:57:30,560
rejection we took. It was significant. I

5405
03:57:30,560 --> 03:57:35,120
do remember that and I remember um that

5406
03:57:35,120 --> 03:57:37,040
the reason why we came to these numbers

5407
03:57:37,040 --> 03:57:39,199
is we did compare it to our 50

5408
03:57:39,199 --> 03:57:40,960
percentile thing and decided to use that

5409
03:57:40,960 --> 03:57:45,120
as the benchmark as opposed to history,

5410
03:57:45,120 --> 03:57:46,720
right? because that's what we decided is

5411
03:57:46,720 --> 03:57:49,600
the benchmark um before. So I think when

5412
03:57:49,600 --> 03:57:52,960
we look at that number um my suggestion

5413
03:57:52,960 --> 03:57:55,680
is too low but

5414
03:57:55,680 --> 03:57:58,560
that's uh I think that's where we came

5415
03:57:58,560 --> 03:58:01,279
with this number is from that criteria

5416
03:58:01,279 --> 03:58:04,160
instead.

5417
03:58:04,160 --> 03:58:05,910
>> Mr. Hogan. Yes, please.

5418
03:58:05,910 --> 03:58:05,920
» Mr. Hogan. Yes, please.

5419
03:58:05,920 --> 03:58:07,590
>> Uh through Mr. Eve, if that's

5420
03:58:07,590 --> 03:58:07,600
» Uh through Mr. Eve, if that's

5421
03:58:07,600 --> 03:58:09,840
information that that council wants, um

5422
03:58:09,840 --> 03:58:11,600
we can we'll go back and find the

5423
03:58:11,600 --> 03:58:13,520
motion. That won't take us very long.

5424
03:58:13,520 --> 03:58:15,120
Um, but if you if you feel that's

5425
03:58:15,120 --> 03:58:17,439
valuable, which think I I'm hearing that

5426
03:58:17,439 --> 03:58:20,399
it is, um, we can we can look that up

5427
03:58:20,399 --> 03:58:23,279
quickly.

5428
03:58:23,279 --> 03:58:25,910
>> So, I know the rationale for why we made

5429
03:58:25,910 --> 03:58:25,920
» So, I know the rationale for why we made

5430
03:58:25,920 --> 03:58:28,000
the change we did because I put that

5431
03:58:28,000 --> 03:58:30,160
rationale forward and at the time we

5432
03:58:30,160 --> 03:58:34,880
were asking our staff to u not take a

5433
03:58:34,880 --> 03:58:38,399
cost of living increase. Um and so we

5434
03:58:38,399 --> 03:58:41,680
felt as council that it uh behooved us

5435
03:58:41,680 --> 03:58:44,800
to set the example and it was really

5436
03:58:44,800 --> 03:58:48,880
unfair of us to move forward or increase

5437
03:58:48,880 --> 03:58:51,760
salary when we're asking our own people

5438
03:58:51,760 --> 03:58:55,680
not to and so um

5439
03:58:55,680 --> 03:58:57,359
we made the choice to take that

5440
03:58:57,359 --> 03:58:59,680
reduction to set the example for the

5441
03:58:59,680 --> 03:59:01,199
organization as a whole and I think

5442
03:59:01,199 --> 03:59:03,040
that's a very appropriate action on our

5443
03:59:03,040 --> 03:59:05,120
behalf

5444
03:59:05,120 --> 03:59:07,920
and to be honest I don't remember the

5445
03:59:07,920 --> 03:59:10,160
exact percentage reduction that we took

5446
03:59:10,160 --> 03:59:13,439
but it was to give

5447
03:59:13,439 --> 03:59:14,960
to demonstrate the council is

5448
03:59:14,960 --> 03:59:19,590
responsible to provide leadership

5449
03:59:19,600 --> 03:59:22,000
and the numbers that we're talking here

5450
03:59:22,000 --> 03:59:24,640
as you pointed out deputy e McGee are

5451
03:59:24,640 --> 03:59:27,840
below the 50% which is the target for

5452
03:59:27,840 --> 03:59:32,960
our own uh individuals our own people.

5453
03:59:32,960 --> 03:59:35,439
So we're still maybe in some ways

5454
03:59:35,439 --> 03:59:48,710
leading by example.

5455
03:59:48,720 --> 03:59:51,199
Okay. The only other comment perhaps I

5456
03:59:51,199 --> 03:59:52,960
want to make is I did have some

5457
03:59:52,960 --> 03:59:57,120
conversation around um

5458
03:59:57,120 --> 04:00:00,160
what might be considered appropriate or

5459
04:00:00,160 --> 04:00:03,439
whe whether a counselor is worth what

5460
04:00:03,439 --> 04:00:08,319
they're being paid or not. And um what I

5461
04:00:08,319 --> 04:00:11,760
would say is I really feel that

5462
04:00:11,760 --> 04:00:13,680
the group of individuals that sit at

5463
04:00:13,680 --> 04:00:15,760
this table do provide a service to our

5464
04:00:15,760 --> 04:00:19,439
community and um

5465
04:00:19,439 --> 04:00:21,359
yes we are compensated for that but I

5466
04:00:21,359 --> 04:00:23,600
don't believe we're overcompensated and

5467
04:00:23,600 --> 04:00:26,479
the time and the commitment that's put

5468
04:00:26,479 --> 04:00:30,399
forward by this group is is is

5469
04:00:30,399 --> 04:00:32,560
appreciated certainly by me sitting in

5470
04:00:32,560 --> 04:00:34,160
the chair that I am. When I look around

5471
04:00:34,160 --> 04:00:35,600
the room and look at the people who are

5472
04:00:35,600 --> 04:00:37,760
serving with me, I very much appreciate

5473
04:00:37,760 --> 04:00:40,239
the efforts that you're making and I

5474
04:00:40,239 --> 04:00:42,319
think that the majority of the residents

5475
04:00:42,319 --> 04:00:44,640
who live in Neil County do the same. And

5476
04:00:44,640 --> 04:00:46,640
so

5477
04:00:46,640 --> 04:00:50,080
we want to attract uh people who want to

5478
04:00:50,080 --> 04:00:52,960
be here and not because of the money,

5479
04:00:52,960 --> 04:00:54,720
but we don't want the money to be an

5480
04:00:54,720 --> 04:00:57,120
impediment to their being at this table.

5481
04:00:57,120 --> 04:00:59,760
And so

5482
04:00:59,760 --> 04:01:02,000
I really feel fair compensation for the

5483
04:01:02,000 --> 04:01:05,840
time spent is is reasonable.

5484
04:01:05,840 --> 04:01:07,680
Whether that's me sitting here or that's

5485
04:01:07,680 --> 04:01:10,080
somebody else sitting here that's

5486
04:01:10,080 --> 04:01:12,160
regardless the point is that whoever

5487
04:01:12,160 --> 04:01:16,399
sits here should be fairly compensated.

5488
04:01:16,399 --> 04:01:18,080
councor popes

5489
04:01:18,080 --> 04:01:19,910
>> and I'll just bring that to one of the

5490
04:01:19,910 --> 04:01:19,920
» and I'll just bring that to one of the

5491
04:01:19,920 --> 04:01:21,840
things like I sit on the hill housing

5492
04:01:21,840 --> 04:01:24,560
and that board goes through changes and

5493
04:01:24,560 --> 04:01:26,800
those changes um the previous boards

5494
04:01:26,800 --> 04:01:28,239
that may have sat there are not dealing

5495
04:01:28,239 --> 04:01:30,080
with what this current board is doing

5496
04:01:30,080 --> 04:01:32,720
and so the amount of work and time not

5497
04:01:32,720 --> 04:01:34,399
just myself but the whole entire board

5498
04:01:34,399 --> 04:01:37,040
has put in to making that organization

5499
04:01:37,040 --> 04:01:40,160
successful has cost an awful lot of my

5500
04:01:40,160 --> 04:01:42,399
family time because I'm doing it outside

5501
04:01:42,399 --> 04:01:44,960
of the scope of my normal dayto-day

5502
04:01:44,960 --> 04:01:50,950
counc.

5503
04:01:50,960 --> 04:01:52,239
» So I guess my question is do we just

5504
04:01:52,239 --> 04:01:53,439
want to table it till after lunch? Do

5505
04:01:53,439 --> 04:01:55,040
you get that information or is council

5506
04:01:55,040 --> 04:01:57,199
prepared to make a motion? You want to

5507
04:01:57,199 --> 04:01:59,600
table it? Is that what you want?

5508
04:01:59,600 --> 04:02:00,790
>> Did lunch arrive?

5509
04:02:00,790 --> 04:02:00,800
» Did lunch arrive?

5510
04:02:00,800 --> 04:02:01,830
>> I think so.

5511
04:02:01,830 --> 04:02:01,840
» I think so.

5512
04:02:01,840 --> 04:02:04,870
>> Okay. Well, we could recess for lunch

5513
04:02:04,870 --> 04:02:04,880
» Okay. Well, we could recess for lunch

5514
04:02:04,880 --> 04:02:05,680
and

5515
04:02:05,680 --> 04:02:07,830
>> and then rather than table it, we could

5516
04:02:07,830 --> 04:02:07,840
» and then rather than table it, we could

5517
04:02:07,840 --> 04:02:09,760
just recess for lunch and then come back

5518
04:02:09,760 --> 04:02:12,399
to it uh

5519
04:02:12,399 --> 04:02:15,120
after lunch.

5520
04:02:15,120 --> 04:02:18,560
That would be appropriate, Mr. Hogan.

5521
04:02:18,560 --> 04:02:19,910
>> Through the chair, I think that would be

5522
04:02:19,910 --> 04:02:19,920
» Through the chair, I think that would be

5523
04:02:19,920 --> 04:02:21,199
that would be recommended.

5524
04:02:21,199 --> 04:02:25,750
>> Okay. All right. So, um, since lunch has

5525
04:02:25,750 --> 04:02:25,760
» Okay. All right. So, um, since lunch has

5526
04:02:25,760 --> 04:02:27,120
arrived, I'm going to say we're in

5527
04:02:27,120 --> 04:02:29,920
recess. Um,

5528
04:02:29,920 --> 04:02:34,080
we do have a delegation at 1. So, what

5529
04:02:34,080 --> 04:02:36,720
do we need? 45 minutes.

5530
04:02:36,720 --> 04:52:18,788
Okay. So,

5531
04:52:18,798 --> 04:52:22,240
Okay, it is uh 12:58 and I know it's

5532
04:52:22,240 --> 04:52:25,200
ahead of when I said we would start, but

5533
04:52:25,200 --> 04:52:27,600
our honored guest is here and so we

5534
04:52:27,600 --> 04:52:29,360
don't want to delay you any longer than

5535
04:52:29,360 --> 04:52:30,958
we have to. So, I'll call our meeting

5536
04:52:30,958 --> 04:52:34,000
back to order. And the next item on our

5537
04:52:34,000 --> 04:52:37,120
agenda is of course to visit with our

5538
04:52:37,120 --> 04:52:39,440
MLA,

5539
04:52:39,440 --> 04:52:43,280
Tara Sawyer. Welcome, Tara. And uh we're

5540
04:52:43,280 --> 04:52:46,638
glad you're able to join us here today.

5541
04:52:46,638 --> 04:52:48,638
And just so you know, we are streaming

5542
04:52:48,638 --> 04:52:51,840
live. And when you're speaking, if you

5543
04:52:51,840 --> 04:52:55,440
would please use the microphone. And I

5544
04:52:55,440 --> 04:52:57,040
don't know if you know everybody. So

5545
04:52:57,040 --> 04:52:59,600
perhaps what we'll do is we'll introduce

5546
04:52:59,600 --> 04:53:02,798
um I know you know a few of us but that

5547
04:53:02,798 --> 04:53:05,120
way you have a better idea who you're

5548
04:53:05,120 --> 04:53:07,520
talking to and there's a few hangers on

5549
04:53:07,520 --> 04:53:09,120
in the room too that maybe you don't

5550
04:53:09,120 --> 04:53:12,560
know as well. So so uh I'm sure you know

5551
04:53:12,560 --> 04:53:14,000
Laura Lee but Laura Lee if you would

5552
04:53:14,000 --> 04:53:15,760
please counselor Cunningham.

5553
04:53:15,760 --> 04:53:17,510
>> So Lori Michelle Cunningham. So I'm

5554
04:53:17,510 --> 04:53:17,520
» So Lori Michelle Cunningham. So I'm

5555
04:53:17,520 --> 04:53:19,600
division five. So I'm an area to the

5556
04:53:19,600 --> 04:53:21,360
east west north and south of Three

5557
04:53:21,360 --> 04:53:23,200
Hills. Thank you for coming. Really

5558
04:53:23,200 --> 04:53:26,638
appreciate it. Afternoon, Tara. I think

5559
04:53:26,638 --> 04:53:28,878
you know who I am.

5560
04:53:28,878 --> 04:53:33,030
>> I've never seen you in my life, Jerry.

5561
04:53:33,030 --> 04:53:33,040
» I've never seen you in my life, Jerry.

5562
04:53:33,040 --> 04:53:34,788
>> Thanks for coming in, Tara. You know who

5563
04:53:34,788 --> 04:53:34,798
» Thanks for coming in, Tara. You know who

5564
04:53:34,798 --> 04:53:37,040
I am.

5565
04:53:37,040 --> 04:53:39,110
>> So, Tara, I'm Ken. Of course, you know

5566
04:53:39,110 --> 04:53:39,120
» So, Tara, I'm Ken. Of course, you know

5567
04:53:39,120 --> 04:53:41,360
that. And was that wishful thinking

5568
04:53:41,360 --> 04:53:45,280
about Jerry having never seen him?

5569
04:53:45,280 --> 04:53:47,910
>> Anyway, welcome here. Thank you.

5570
04:53:47,910 --> 04:53:47,920
» Anyway, welcome here. Thank you.

5571
04:53:47,920 --> 04:53:50,390
>> Great to see you again, Tara. And uh I'm

5572
04:53:50,390 --> 04:53:50,400
» Great to see you again, Tara. And uh I'm

5573
04:53:50,400 --> 04:53:52,958
division one, so we wrap down to the

5574
04:53:52,958 --> 04:53:55,440
drum area. close to Horseshoe Canyon

5575
04:53:55,440 --> 04:53:58,400
into the Rosebud Creek or River I should

5576
04:53:58,400 --> 04:54:01,920
say. Rosebud River.

5577
04:54:01,920 --> 04:54:04,070
>> Hello Carrie Phobes, division 4. So

5578
04:54:04,070 --> 04:54:04,080
» Hello Carrie Phobes, division 4. So

5579
04:54:04,080 --> 04:54:07,120
southwest corner of this county.

5580
04:54:07,120 --> 04:54:09,670
>> Wade Christie from division 6 north. I

5581
04:54:09,670 --> 04:54:09,680
» Wade Christie from division 6 north. I

5582
04:54:09,680 --> 04:54:12,958
grow barley. Do you know that stuff?

5583
04:54:12,958 --> 04:54:14,390
>> I appreciate very much what you did

5584
04:54:14,390 --> 04:54:14,400
» I appreciate very much what you did

5585
04:54:14,400 --> 04:54:18,310
there. So thank you.

5586
04:54:18,320 --> 04:54:19,600
» Afternoon. Mike Hogan, chief

5587
04:54:19,600 --> 04:54:22,000
administrative officer.

5588
04:54:22,000 --> 04:54:24,080
Good afternoon, Tara. Carolyn Vanderl,

5589
04:54:24,080 --> 04:54:26,718
legislative services manager.

5590
04:54:26,718 --> 04:54:28,470
>> Good afternoon, Kevin Ganon, director of

5591
04:54:28,470 --> 04:54:28,480
» Good afternoon, Kevin Ganon, director of

5592
04:54:28,480 --> 04:54:29,600
community services.

5593
04:54:29,600 --> 04:54:31,030
>> Hi, I'm Mike Sir, director of

5594
04:54:31,030 --> 04:54:31,040
» Hi, I'm Mike Sir, director of

5595
04:54:31,040 --> 04:54:32,560
infrastructure.

5596
04:54:32,560 --> 04:54:33,910
>> Trice Cochran, director of corporate

5597
04:54:33,910 --> 04:54:33,920
» Trice Cochran, director of corporate

5598
04:54:33,920 --> 04:54:35,840
services.

5599
04:54:35,840 --> 04:54:37,510
>> Well, good afternoon everyone and thank

5600
04:54:37,510 --> 04:54:37,520
» Well, good afternoon everyone and thank

5601
04:54:37,520 --> 04:54:39,760
you very much for having me. Yes, I know

5602
04:54:39,760 --> 04:54:41,840
some of you and uh I am looking forward

5603
04:54:41,840 --> 04:54:43,920
to getting to know the rest of you a

5604
04:54:43,920 --> 04:54:46,320
little bit better. So, I appreciate you

5605
04:54:46,320 --> 04:54:49,360
giving me a little bit of your time. uh

5606
04:54:49,360 --> 04:54:53,040
obviously new so just trying to get to

5607
04:54:53,040 --> 04:54:56,638
all the counties in my uh writing and

5608
04:54:56,638 --> 04:55:00,080
and get that first touch point as I've

5609
04:55:00,080 --> 04:55:01,520
been saying I even though there is a

5610
04:55:01,520 --> 04:55:03,120
municipal election I still think it's

5611
04:55:03,120 --> 04:55:04,718
important I wasn't waiting until after

5612
04:55:04,718 --> 04:55:09,430
that the people

5613
04:55:09,440 --> 04:55:11,600
this thing I'm used to having to keep my

5614
04:55:11,600 --> 04:55:13,280
finger on it for the Alberta next panel

5615
04:55:13,280 --> 04:55:15,200
so I kept my finger on it then I

5616
04:55:15,200 --> 04:55:16,958
realized I was turning myself off

5617
04:55:16,958 --> 04:55:18,240
apologies

5618
04:55:18,240 --> 04:55:21,280
Um yeah, you know, it's really important

5619
04:55:21,280 --> 04:55:24,000
to hear from you guys. Uh

5620
04:55:24,000 --> 04:55:26,000
this first this first touch point is

5621
04:55:26,000 --> 04:55:27,680
really just a matter of, you know,

5622
04:55:27,680 --> 04:55:29,760
whether we get into I'm not expecting to

5623
04:55:29,760 --> 04:55:31,360
get into anything anything super deep,

5624
04:55:31,360 --> 04:55:34,958
but just to connect with you and hear a

5625
04:55:34,958 --> 04:55:36,718
little bit about what's going on. Not

5626
04:55:36,718 --> 04:55:38,480
that I don't know this county

5627
04:55:38,480 --> 04:55:40,798
considering it is the county I farm in,

5628
04:55:40,798 --> 04:55:43,440
but uh it's at a different level when

5629
04:55:43,440 --> 04:55:45,840
you're you're speaking to to you guys.

5630
04:55:45,840 --> 04:55:47,680
So, I know not all of it will be right

5631
04:55:47,680 --> 04:55:51,440
now, but uh yeah, I I appreciate the

5632
04:55:51,440 --> 04:55:53,520
time that you're all giving me and the

5633
04:55:53,520 --> 04:55:56,000
people here. So, thanks.

5634
04:55:56,000 --> 04:55:57,910
>> Well, and I guess uh from our point of

5635
04:55:57,910 --> 04:55:57,920
» Well, and I guess uh from our point of

5636
04:55:57,920 --> 04:55:59,600
view, we're very appreciative of the

5637
04:55:59,600 --> 04:56:01,840
fact that you wanted to come and meet

5638
04:56:01,840 --> 04:56:05,440
with us and to engage um and to get to

5639
04:56:05,440 --> 04:56:06,958
know us a little better as well as some

5640
04:56:06,958 --> 04:56:10,638
of the issues that are here um and

5641
04:56:10,638 --> 04:56:13,040
important to us. So, that's appreciated

5642
04:56:13,040 --> 04:56:15,520
very much. Thank you.

5643
04:56:15,520 --> 04:56:19,360
So, I don't know how we want to jump in

5644
04:56:19,360 --> 04:56:22,400
um or where we want to start, but I

5645
04:56:22,400 --> 04:56:25,440
think um you probably have heard in

5646
04:56:25,440 --> 04:56:28,400
other counties um in this area similar

5647
04:56:28,400 --> 04:56:31,200
things around issues that are of concern

5648
04:56:31,200 --> 04:56:35,760
to them. And certainly um I think we

5649
04:56:35,760 --> 04:56:38,000
wanted to make sure that we emphasize

5650
04:56:38,000 --> 04:56:41,760
the point around some of the discussion

5651
04:56:41,760 --> 04:56:43,520
and decision making that's going on

5652
04:56:43,520 --> 04:56:46,638
around oil and gas particularly

5653
04:56:46,638 --> 04:56:49,920
um the assessment model review and

5654
04:56:49,920 --> 04:56:53,200
mature asset strategy and how those

5655
04:56:53,200 --> 04:56:56,480
impact us specifically as a rural

5656
04:56:56,480 --> 04:56:58,400
municipality.

5657
04:56:58,400 --> 04:57:01,840
um and the importance of

5658
04:57:01,840 --> 04:57:04,080
those industries to us from a revenue

5659
04:57:04,080 --> 04:57:07,520
point of view. And

5660
04:57:07,520 --> 04:57:13,440
um I guess our point of view is that

5661
04:57:13,440 --> 04:57:16,718
um issues that are existing in the oil

5662
04:57:16,718 --> 04:57:19,120
and gas industry are not necessarily

5663
04:57:19,120 --> 04:57:21,760
solved through

5664
04:57:21,760 --> 04:57:23,680
artificial adjustments in either

5665
04:57:23,680 --> 04:57:26,160
taxation or assessment. and that there

5666
04:57:26,160 --> 04:57:28,718
has to be some long-term solutions. And

5667
04:57:28,718 --> 04:57:32,160
so for us to be able to participate in

5668
04:57:32,160 --> 04:57:34,320
the way that we're requested by the

5669
04:57:34,320 --> 04:57:37,360
province to work with our immediate

5670
04:57:37,360 --> 04:57:41,120
neighbors on things like ICFs and those

5671
04:57:41,120 --> 04:57:42,638
kind of things where there's funding

5672
04:57:42,638 --> 04:57:45,440
agreements that cross our boundaries,

5673
04:57:45,440 --> 04:57:48,958
the revenues that are generated through

5674
04:57:48,958 --> 04:57:51,200
our partnerships with those industries

5675
04:57:51,200 --> 04:57:54,878
are very very important to us. And so,

5676
04:57:54,878 --> 04:57:58,718
um, I guess I'm sure you've heard it.

5677
04:57:58,718 --> 04:58:01,840
Um, so we very much would appreciate it

5678
04:58:01,840 --> 04:58:04,560
being represented,

5679
04:58:04,560 --> 04:58:06,878
um, and understood from the point of

5680
04:58:06,878 --> 04:58:10,480
view of where we live every day. And

5681
04:58:10,480 --> 04:58:13,840
since you live in Neil County,

5682
04:58:13,840 --> 04:58:15,680
the direct impacts on you from a

5683
04:58:15,680 --> 04:58:19,280
taxation point of view um

5684
04:58:19,280 --> 04:58:21,920
will be felt as those revenues are

5685
04:58:21,920 --> 04:58:24,400
reduced through whatever initiatives the

5686
04:58:24,400 --> 04:58:29,600
province takes. And so I think that's

5687
04:58:29,600 --> 04:58:32,400
that's where we might want to just start

5688
04:58:32,400 --> 04:58:36,480
with. And uh I think I was asked by

5689
04:58:36,480 --> 04:58:39,680
several of my counselors to you know

5690
04:58:39,680 --> 04:58:42,240
make sure that we got that one on the

5691
04:58:42,240 --> 04:58:43,840
table first but I know there are some

5692
04:58:43,840 --> 04:58:45,360
other

5693
04:58:45,360 --> 04:58:48,638
little issues that perhaps somebody else

5694
04:58:48,638 --> 04:58:50,798
would like to annunciate whether it's

5695
04:58:50,798 --> 04:58:54,240
you deputy reev or but we we have things

5696
04:58:54,240 --> 04:58:57,120
that are important to us and I know the

5697
04:58:57,120 --> 04:58:58,638
province has things that's very

5698
04:58:58,638 --> 04:59:03,040
important to them and um as they reduce

5699
04:59:03,040 --> 04:59:05,520
the amount of funds that they transfer

5700
04:59:05,520 --> 04:59:08,958
to us or as they increase the ask for us

5701
04:59:08,958 --> 04:59:11,040
on things like policing and other

5702
04:59:11,040 --> 04:59:13,760
initiatives like that. Those revenues

5703
04:59:13,760 --> 04:59:16,000
have to come from somewhere.

5704
04:59:16,000 --> 04:59:19,040
And so a balanced approach is kind of

5705
04:59:19,040 --> 04:59:21,600
what we're requesting and asking for and

5706
04:59:21,600 --> 04:59:24,718
then a consultive approach where we feel

5707
04:59:24,718 --> 04:59:28,240
that our voices are more

5708
04:59:28,240 --> 04:59:32,958
more well heard um and perhaps respected

5709
04:59:32,958 --> 04:59:35,920
more at that table than we currently

5710
04:59:35,920 --> 04:59:38,320
feel.

5711
04:59:38,320 --> 04:59:40,798
So I know you're all brand new to all of

5712
04:59:40,798 --> 04:59:43,280
this.

5713
04:59:43,280 --> 04:59:46,390
>> Just a little

5714
04:59:46,390 --> 04:59:46,400
» Just a little

5715
04:59:46,400 --> 04:59:48,240
Sorry, I am taking notes. I'm not

5716
04:59:48,240 --> 04:59:51,680
texting people. I realize I my rush to

5717
04:59:51,680 --> 04:59:53,120
get in in here on time. I left my

5718
04:59:53,120 --> 04:59:55,760
notebook in my my in my car, so I'm

5719
04:59:55,760 --> 04:59:57,280
taking my notes on my phone.

5720
04:59:57,280 --> 04:59:59,430
>> Okay.

5721
04:59:59,430 --> 04:59:59,440
» Okay.

5722
04:59:59,440 --> 05:00:04,230
>> So, um I don't know. Um

5723
05:00:04,230 --> 05:00:04,240
» So, um I don't know. Um

5724
05:00:04,240 --> 05:00:06,560
I guess I don't want to be the only one

5725
05:00:06,560 --> 05:00:08,080
speaking to you. So, I think it's

5726
05:00:08,080 --> 05:00:10,878
important that you get a feel for our

5727
05:00:10,878 --> 05:00:13,440
whole council, not just me trying to

5728
05:00:13,440 --> 05:00:18,400
represent their voices. Um, the only

5729
05:00:18,400 --> 05:00:20,718
the only other one that maybe I'll put

5730
05:00:20,718 --> 05:00:22,878
on the table before I turn it loose to

5731
05:00:22,878 --> 05:00:26,560
everybody else is just the whole and you

5732
05:00:26,560 --> 05:00:28,240
and I have had this conversation

5733
05:00:28,240 --> 05:00:30,878
previously um where we chatted a little

5734
05:00:30,878 --> 05:00:33,360
bit about the Badlands Motorsports

5735
05:00:33,360 --> 05:00:38,160
Initiative and um our application on the

5736
05:00:38,160 --> 05:00:40,878
STIP grant side of things for funding

5737
05:00:40,878 --> 05:00:43,840
there. And

5738
05:00:43,840 --> 05:00:46,718
my encouragement to you at the time was

5739
05:00:46,718 --> 05:00:48,798
to be supportive of our application if

5740
05:00:48,798 --> 05:00:51,920
and when it came through. So, um I guess

5741
05:00:51,920 --> 05:00:54,000
I'll put that out there. Badlands might

5742
05:00:54,000 --> 05:00:57,040
be not that popular everywhere, but

5743
05:00:57,040 --> 05:00:59,360
certainly from a kneehill county point

5744
05:00:59,360 --> 05:01:02,560
of view in revenue and economic

5745
05:01:02,560 --> 05:01:04,878
development, which the province seems to

5746
05:01:04,878 --> 05:01:08,718
feel is really important, um we feel the

5747
05:01:08,718 --> 05:01:11,120
same way. And so when we look at the

5748
05:01:11,120 --> 05:01:14,480
area of Drumheller and Horseshoe Canyon

5749
05:01:14,480 --> 05:01:16,958
and are thinking about what we might do

5750
05:01:16,958 --> 05:01:19,040
as far as tourism and economic

5751
05:01:19,040 --> 05:01:22,000
development in that area, Badlands

5752
05:01:22,000 --> 05:01:24,638
Motors is not necessarily key to what

5753
05:01:24,638 --> 05:01:26,160
might happen there, but it is a big

5754
05:01:26,160 --> 05:01:29,200
piece of what might happen. And so just

5755
05:01:29,200 --> 05:01:32,400
an encouragement to

5756
05:01:32,400 --> 05:01:35,200
think about the people here at home and

5757
05:01:35,200 --> 05:01:39,360
how that might impact us going forward.

5758
05:01:39,360 --> 05:01:41,440
And I know there's it's not the most

5759
05:01:41,440 --> 05:01:44,718
popular development everywhere

5760
05:01:44,718 --> 05:01:46,718
um within your writing, but it's

5761
05:01:46,718 --> 05:01:50,480
certainly very important at this table

5762
05:01:50,480 --> 05:01:54,958
and for this municipality. So

5763
05:01:54,958 --> 05:01:56,230
>> yeah, I might have heard a little bit

5764
05:01:56,230 --> 05:01:56,240
» yeah, I might have heard a little bit

5765
05:01:56,240 --> 05:01:58,718
about that one.

5766
05:01:58,718 --> 05:01:59,990
>> A lot.

5767
05:01:59,990 --> 05:02:00,000
» A lot.

5768
05:02:00,000 --> 05:02:01,510
>> Well, if you ever if you've ever been

5769
05:02:01,510 --> 05:02:01,520
» Well, if you ever if you've ever been

5770
05:02:01,520 --> 05:02:03,040
near Rosebud, I'm sure you've heard

5771
05:02:03,040 --> 05:02:04,320
about it, but

5772
05:02:04,320 --> 05:02:06,390
>> Yeah. No, I've Yeah, I've I've been down

5773
05:02:06,390 --> 05:02:06,400
» Yeah. No, I've Yeah, I've I've been down

5774
05:02:06,400 --> 05:02:07,040
there.

5775
05:02:07,040 --> 05:02:13,030
>> Yeah. couple times. So,

5776
05:02:13,040 --> 05:02:14,878
like I said, it is we're we're early

5777
05:02:14,878 --> 05:02:17,600
days, so it's just nice to hear

5778
05:02:17,600 --> 05:02:19,840
a few of the high points, and we'll

5779
05:02:19,840 --> 05:02:22,080
delve into them deeper.

5780
05:02:22,080 --> 05:02:22,550
>> Yeah.

5781
05:02:22,550 --> 05:02:22,560
» Yeah.

5782
05:02:22,560 --> 05:02:26,230
>> Later, but yeah, I appreciate that.

5783
05:02:26,230 --> 05:02:26,240
» Later, but yeah, I appreciate that.

5784
05:02:26,240 --> 05:02:27,270
>> So,

5785
05:02:27,270 --> 05:02:27,280
» So,

5786
05:02:27,280 --> 05:02:28,628
>> you're definitely not the first to talk

5787
05:02:28,628 --> 05:02:28,638
» you're definitely not the first to talk

5788
05:02:28,638 --> 05:02:31,760
about funding, obviously. Yeah, I mean

5789
05:02:31,760 --> 05:02:34,550
>> I do want to give you opportunity to

5790
05:02:34,550 --> 05:02:34,560
» I do want to give you opportunity to

5791
05:02:34,560 --> 05:02:36,240
talk to us about your own goals, but I

5792
05:02:36,240 --> 05:02:38,560
wanted to give council here a chance to

5793
05:02:38,560 --> 05:02:40,160
kind of just give you some of the

5794
05:02:40,160 --> 05:02:41,840
highlights from our point of view. And

5795
05:02:41,840 --> 05:02:44,400
then I really would like to hear kind of

5796
05:02:44,400 --> 05:02:46,160
your thoughts in terms of how you want

5797
05:02:46,160 --> 05:02:49,040
to represent the writing as a whole and

5798
05:02:49,040 --> 05:02:51,440
what your goals for yourself as as our

5799
05:02:51,440 --> 05:02:53,280
new MLA might be.

5800
05:02:53,280 --> 05:02:57,200
But um I know Deputy Re McGee you want

5801
05:02:57,200 --> 05:02:59,040
to

5802
05:02:59,040 --> 05:03:00,958
so I'll give you the floor.

5803
05:03:00,958 --> 05:03:03,430
>> Thank you. Um there are so many things

5804
05:03:03,430 --> 05:03:03,440
» Thank you. Um there are so many things

5805
05:03:03,440 --> 05:03:04,798
I'd love to share with you, but of

5806
05:03:04,798 --> 05:03:06,638
course I'll have to pick a priority or

5807
05:03:06,638 --> 05:03:09,760
you'll have to be here all day.

5808
05:03:09,760 --> 05:03:11,600
But uh for what's really close to my

5809
05:03:11,600 --> 05:03:15,680
heart is the FCSS program in our area. I

5810
05:03:15,680 --> 05:03:18,958
uh I really uh think it'd be worth your

5811
05:03:18,958 --> 05:03:21,120
while to have a visit before our

5812
05:03:21,120 --> 05:03:23,280
director retires at the end of the

5813
05:03:23,280 --> 05:03:24,080
September.

5814
05:03:24,080 --> 05:03:25,030
>> End of September.

5815
05:03:25,030 --> 05:03:25,040
» End of September.

5816
05:03:25,040 --> 05:03:28,390
>> End of September. Um

5817
05:03:28,390 --> 05:03:28,400
» End of September. Um

5818
05:03:28,400 --> 05:03:31,280
the wealth of knowledge and experience

5819
05:03:31,280 --> 05:03:35,040
that Shelley Jackson has is immense as

5820
05:03:35,040 --> 05:03:39,360
far as the provincial criter.

5821
05:03:39,360 --> 05:03:41,920
She's seen how FCS has grown over the

5822
05:03:41,920 --> 05:03:44,878
years and the unique way that she has

5823
05:03:44,878 --> 05:03:48,718
managed that component in our area is

5824
05:03:48,718 --> 05:03:51,440
quite unique and very very successful. I

5825
05:03:51,440 --> 05:03:53,120
feel very passionate about that because

5826
05:03:53,120 --> 05:03:56,638
I I really struggle when um our

5827
05:03:56,638 --> 05:03:58,560
government is very strong about wanting

5828
05:03:58,560 --> 05:04:02,160
to increase our economic future and we

5829
05:04:02,160 --> 05:04:04,080
are seeing more and more money being

5830
05:04:04,080 --> 05:04:06,000
spent on

5831
05:04:06,000 --> 05:04:08,878
uh crisis problems with our humanity.

5832
05:04:08,878 --> 05:04:12,320
Whether it be drug use, homelessness,

5833
05:04:12,320 --> 05:04:14,958
um the way our hospitals are overused,

5834
05:04:14,958 --> 05:04:16,320
those types of things, those are all

5835
05:04:16,320 --> 05:04:19,360
results of foundational things not being

5836
05:04:19,360 --> 05:04:22,080
cared for. And I think we'd save a pile

5837
05:04:22,080 --> 05:04:24,080
of money if we remembered these great

5838
05:04:24,080 --> 05:04:26,320
assets we have right in our communities

5839
05:04:26,320 --> 05:04:29,200
such as the FCSS program and what

5840
05:04:29,200 --> 05:04:32,160
they've done. So for example um they

5841
05:04:32,160 --> 05:04:35,200
have a great report. They have said that

5842
05:04:35,200 --> 05:04:38,320
they um survey through their surveys

5843
05:04:38,320 --> 05:04:40,400
they found 4,280

5844
05:04:40,400 --> 05:04:42,080
people have benefited from the programs

5845
05:04:42,080 --> 05:04:44,400
they provided in our office alone. When

5846
05:04:44,400 --> 05:04:46,160
you think that our population base is

5847
05:04:46,160 --> 05:04:48,638
just over 10,000, that's a remarkable

5848
05:04:48,638 --> 05:04:51,760
stat with very little money put into it.

5849
05:04:51,760 --> 05:04:54,320
And I think the outcome of the long term

5850
05:04:54,320 --> 05:04:56,798
of that is really worth researching and

5851
05:04:56,798 --> 05:04:59,120
being well educated on. I think that's

5852
05:04:59,120 --> 05:05:00,798
the way going forward to see that we

5853
05:05:00,798 --> 05:05:03,120
have kids ready to go into the trades

5854
05:05:03,120 --> 05:05:06,240
who want to live here. um and to reduce

5855
05:05:06,240 --> 05:05:08,000
the cost we're paying on these huge

5856
05:05:08,000 --> 05:05:09,920
crisises because I don't think it's a

5857
05:05:09,920 --> 05:05:13,680
coincidence that when the province has

5858
05:05:13,680 --> 05:05:16,000
limited the amount of money to

5859
05:05:16,000 --> 05:05:17,920
education, social programming, those

5860
05:05:17,920 --> 05:05:19,920
types of things for our children and

5861
05:05:19,920 --> 05:05:23,200
youth that these crisises in incremental

5862
05:05:23,200 --> 05:05:25,280
time directly from that has increased

5863
05:05:25,280 --> 05:05:27,040
and increased. That's not a coincidence

5864
05:05:27,040 --> 05:05:29,440
in my value system. I think that's

5865
05:05:29,440 --> 05:05:32,798
directly correlated and um I just

5866
05:05:32,798 --> 05:05:34,798
encourage you to to be educated on how

5867
05:05:34,798 --> 05:05:37,920
we can keep that community component

5868
05:05:37,920 --> 05:05:40,000
because they're about community being

5869
05:05:40,000 --> 05:05:42,958
the people who make our people great and

5870
05:05:42,958 --> 05:05:49,030
uh that's that's my priority today.

5871
05:05:49,040 --> 05:05:51,360
» I think you can tell she has some

5872
05:05:51,360 --> 05:05:53,840
investment there

5873
05:05:53,840 --> 05:05:55,840
and so I

5874
05:05:55,840 --> 05:05:57,990
>> I like the passion. Yeah, I appreciate

5875
05:05:57,990 --> 05:05:58,000
» I like the passion. Yeah, I appreciate

5876
05:05:58,000 --> 05:06:01,440
that. Yeah. Um,

5877
05:06:01,440 --> 05:06:06,080
anyone else? I know. Um, go ahead,

5878
05:06:06,080 --> 05:06:09,200
Councelor Witto.

5879
05:06:09,200 --> 05:06:12,400
It's all right if I call you Tara.

5880
05:06:12,400 --> 05:06:13,830
>> I think it's okay. It's

5881
05:06:13,830 --> 05:06:13,840
» I think it's okay. It's

5882
05:06:13,840 --> 05:06:16,948
>> okay. Okay, Tara. I've been here a

5883
05:06:16,948 --> 05:06:16,958
» okay. Okay, Tara. I've been here a

5884
05:06:16,958 --> 05:06:20,400
while. I've seen the booms that we've

5885
05:06:20,400 --> 05:06:25,120
had in this county and in this province.

5886
05:06:25,120 --> 05:06:26,718
And I'm not saying we're in a bust

5887
05:06:26,718 --> 05:06:28,240
situation,

5888
05:06:28,240 --> 05:06:30,400
but we are headed downhill big time

5889
05:06:30,400 --> 05:06:31,840
because of downloading from the

5890
05:06:31,840 --> 05:06:33,840
provincial side.

5891
05:06:33,840 --> 05:06:36,080
I mean, it started

5892
05:06:36,080 --> 05:06:38,320
started a while ago.

5893
05:06:38,320 --> 05:06:40,878
I know I was at a meeting on the 19th of

5894
05:06:40,878 --> 05:06:44,080
or 2nd of July, 2019

5895
05:06:44,080 --> 05:06:46,718
when we met with 15 other shallow gas

5896
05:06:46,718 --> 05:06:48,798
well municipal

5897
05:06:48,798 --> 05:06:51,440
uh municipalities.

5898
05:06:51,440 --> 05:06:55,200
And that day we lost 1.8 8 or$ 1.9

5899
05:06:55,200 --> 05:06:56,878
million

5900
05:06:56,878 --> 05:06:58,798
because of the change in the assessment

5901
05:06:58,798 --> 05:07:01,440
on shallow gas wells. Like I'm not

5902
05:07:01,440 --> 05:07:04,798
saying that it was wrong, but to do it

5903
05:07:04,798 --> 05:07:09,040
in one day without a heads up that I see

5904
05:07:09,040 --> 05:07:11,520
that as being complete downloading.

5905
05:07:11,520 --> 05:07:14,160
There's been a number of things um like

5906
05:07:14,160 --> 05:07:16,798
the policing that have been downloaded

5907
05:07:16,798 --> 05:07:19,120
upon us. And whether that's right or

5908
05:07:19,120 --> 05:07:21,520
wrong, I I'm not here to argue whether

5909
05:07:21,520 --> 05:07:24,798
it's right or wrong. Uh, but from what I

5910
05:07:24,798 --> 05:07:26,638
gather,

5911
05:07:26,638 --> 05:07:28,718
one of the issues there was is more

5912
05:07:28,718 --> 05:07:30,958
boots on the ground. And the last time

5913
05:07:30,958 --> 05:07:34,080
we had the RCMP in here, because we have

5914
05:07:34,080 --> 05:07:37,120
five different jurisdictions of RCMP

5915
05:07:37,120 --> 05:07:40,320
that that actually provides service to

5916
05:07:40,320 --> 05:07:43,360
Nehill County. Not one of them got an

5917
05:07:43,360 --> 05:07:46,638
extra boot on the ground, but we got to

5918
05:07:46,638 --> 05:07:50,320
pay $489,000

5919
05:07:50,320 --> 05:07:54,080
for this for policing.

5920
05:07:54,080 --> 05:07:56,560
So, that's another thing that I see is

5921
05:07:56,560 --> 05:07:58,718
downloading. And now we've got the

5922
05:07:58,718 --> 05:08:01,280
assessment model review. I think that's

5923
05:08:01,280 --> 05:08:04,160
supposed to close up on the in 28. Am I

5924
05:08:04,160 --> 05:08:06,560
correct on that, Mike? Someplace in

5925
05:08:06,560 --> 05:08:08,080
there.

5926
05:08:08,080 --> 05:08:11,280
And we've got the mature assets strategy

5927
05:08:11,280 --> 05:08:13,520
coming forward.

5928
05:08:13,520 --> 05:08:17,840
Uh MSI turned into LGFF

5929
05:08:17,840 --> 05:08:20,320
which was also

5930
05:08:20,320 --> 05:08:23,360
a bit of a download or not a download a

5931
05:08:23,360 --> 05:08:26,160
short shortage of funding. I mean, I

5932
05:08:26,160 --> 05:08:28,000
know everybody needs money and I know

5933
05:08:28,000 --> 05:08:31,040
everybody's clamoring for money, but

5934
05:08:31,040 --> 05:08:33,760
when you keep losing funding, someplace

5935
05:08:33,760 --> 05:08:36,718
along the line, you have to figure out a

5936
05:08:36,718 --> 05:08:40,160
way to

5937
05:08:40,160 --> 05:08:42,638
increase your revenue. What we've done

5938
05:08:42,638 --> 05:08:45,680
over the last few years is yes, we've

5939
05:08:45,680 --> 05:08:47,760
increased the farmland tax, we've

5940
05:08:47,760 --> 05:08:50,560
increased the residential tax, but when

5941
05:08:50,560 --> 05:08:52,638
we look at the kind of money that we

5942
05:08:52,638 --> 05:08:55,680
lose every time there's some sort of a

5943
05:08:55,680 --> 05:08:58,798
adjustment at the provincial level, it

5944
05:08:58,798 --> 05:09:02,240
takes a lot of extra money from our

5945
05:09:02,240 --> 05:09:04,798
residents to make up the difference.

5946
05:09:04,798 --> 05:09:06,798
Like I believe

5947
05:09:06,798 --> 05:09:09,280
we basically collect

5948
05:09:09,280 --> 05:09:14,000
17 17 million from linear

5949
05:09:14,000 --> 05:09:16,400
16 or 17

5950
05:09:16,400 --> 05:09:19,200
but we collect 2 million from farmland

5951
05:09:19,200 --> 05:09:22,560
tax and 2 million from residential tax

5952
05:09:22,560 --> 05:09:26,638
within the county. So yeah, it is out of

5953
05:09:26,638 --> 05:09:30,000
out of out of balance, but if we lose 2

5954
05:09:30,000 --> 05:09:34,638
million on the linear side,

5955
05:09:34,638 --> 05:09:36,958
that doubles the taxes on residential or

5956
05:09:36,958 --> 05:09:40,958
farmland to make up the difference.

5957
05:09:40,958 --> 05:09:42,958
And so we have to come up with different

5958
05:09:42,958 --> 05:09:47,360
ways of trying to either not get stung

5959
05:09:47,360 --> 05:09:50,638
that way or to get revenue from some

5960
05:09:50,638 --> 05:09:52,798
other way.

5961
05:09:52,798 --> 05:09:56,638
So It's really difficult to sit in this

5962
05:09:56,638 --> 05:09:59,440
seat and raise taxes on farmland and

5963
05:09:59,440 --> 05:10:01,360
residential for a person like you that

5964
05:10:01,360 --> 05:10:04,320
lives in actually my division in the

5965
05:10:04,320 --> 05:10:06,000
county.

5966
05:10:06,000 --> 05:10:08,080
And I think you've probably seen what's

5967
05:10:08,080 --> 05:10:10,718
been going on with the taxes there. I

5968
05:10:10,718 --> 05:10:12,958
don't think they're exorbitant because

5969
05:10:12,958 --> 05:10:15,680
we do provide services and you know it's

5970
05:10:15,680 --> 05:10:18,080
going to get to the point where services

5971
05:10:18,080 --> 05:10:20,560
are going to have to be cut or there's

5972
05:10:20,560 --> 05:10:23,680
going to have to be something else done.

5973
05:10:23,680 --> 05:10:26,638
And I don't know.

5974
05:10:26,638 --> 05:10:28,560
I don't know. It it it's just making it

5975
05:10:28,560 --> 05:10:30,718
more and more difficult every time

5976
05:10:30,718 --> 05:10:32,958
there's a change at the provincial. And

5977
05:10:32,958 --> 05:10:35,200
I'm not blaming you or the provincial

5978
05:10:35,200 --> 05:10:37,360
government that's there right now. I'm

5979
05:10:37,360 --> 05:10:40,638
just saying like from it. The trend has

5980
05:10:40,638 --> 05:10:43,280
been happening for a long time and it

5981
05:10:43,280 --> 05:10:46,320
doesn't seem to be changing.

5982
05:10:46,320 --> 05:10:48,320
So

5983
05:10:48,320 --> 05:10:51,440
I think anytime we can get some revenue

5984
05:10:51,440 --> 05:10:55,520
from industry or

5985
05:10:55,520 --> 05:10:57,600
it's hard to get revenue from tourism if

5986
05:10:57,600 --> 05:11:00,958
you don't actually sell anything but on

5987
05:11:00,958 --> 05:11:04,000
the indust or on the residential side it

5988
05:11:04,000 --> 05:11:06,560
would be nice to have something or

5989
05:11:06,560 --> 05:11:08,958
industrial side something that we can

5990
05:11:08,958 --> 05:11:10,878
actually

5991
05:11:10,878 --> 05:11:12,560
make up some of the revenue losses that

5992
05:11:12,560 --> 05:11:14,240
we've had. I and I'm sorry I don't want

5993
05:11:14,240 --> 05:11:16,480
to sit here and complain. Well, I guess

5994
05:11:16,480 --> 05:11:19,200
I am sitting here and complaining,

5995
05:11:19,200 --> 05:11:21,760
but when we're doing the ICFs, which is,

5996
05:11:21,760 --> 05:11:25,600
you know, yes, we the recreation,

5997
05:11:25,600 --> 05:11:27,280
there's a lot of recreation that goes on

5998
05:11:27,280 --> 05:11:29,600
in the towns and villages, we support

5999
05:11:29,600 --> 05:11:32,000
that because our residents do use that.

6000
05:11:32,000 --> 05:11:33,680
Whether it be the swimming pool, curling

6001
05:11:33,680 --> 05:11:36,718
rink, whatever, skating rinks, our

6002
05:11:36,718 --> 05:11:39,440
residents do use it and we try to

6003
05:11:39,440 --> 05:11:42,958
support it through the ICF negotiations.

6004
05:11:42,958 --> 05:11:46,560
But as we lose revenue on our side,

6005
05:11:46,560 --> 05:11:49,440
we're not going to have

6006
05:11:49,440 --> 05:11:51,440
revenue to share with the towns and

6007
05:11:51,440 --> 05:11:54,400
villages within our municipality to help

6008
05:11:54,400 --> 05:11:58,480
support their recreation stuff. And we

6009
05:11:58,480 --> 05:12:02,080
do a lot on fire. We do a lot on uh

6010
05:12:02,080 --> 05:12:05,200
different things like we we we partner

6011
05:12:05,200 --> 05:12:07,280
on a lot of stuff just because it's got

6012
05:12:07,280 --> 05:12:09,520
to be efficient.

6013
05:12:09,520 --> 05:12:12,958
But the efficiency also comes with a

6014
05:12:12,958 --> 05:12:17,440
cost and if you're losing funds it makes

6015
05:12:17,440 --> 05:12:19,440
it more difficult not just for the

6016
05:12:19,440 --> 05:12:21,280
county but for the towns and villages

6017
05:12:21,280 --> 05:12:24,080
that are within the county and I know

6018
05:12:24,080 --> 05:12:25,760
you probably understand all this stuff

6019
05:12:25,760 --> 05:12:27,280
and there is a different perspective at

6020
05:12:27,280 --> 05:12:28,798
the provincial level than there is at

6021
05:12:28,798 --> 05:12:32,160
the municipal level but I'm not saying

6022
05:12:32,160 --> 05:12:35,120
we're dying but we keep going this way

6023
05:12:35,120 --> 05:12:38,080
it's not going to be pretty

6024
05:12:38,080 --> 05:12:39,760
so

6025
05:12:39,760 --> 05:12:43,910
I guess that's my two bits

6026
05:12:43,920 --> 05:12:47,280
No passion there either.

6027
05:12:47,280 --> 05:12:52,310
>> Uh yeah. No. Um I appreciate

6028
05:12:52,310 --> 05:12:52,320
» Uh yeah. No. Um I appreciate

6029
05:12:52,320 --> 05:12:54,240
I Well, yeah, I know what you're saying

6030
05:12:54,240 --> 05:12:57,360
there. So

6031
05:12:57,360 --> 05:13:00,708
>> it it it is it is um I I the one thing I

6032
05:13:00,708 --> 05:13:00,718
» it it it is it is um I I the one thing I

6033
05:13:00,718 --> 05:13:02,560
will say with respect to to the policing

6034
05:13:02,560 --> 05:13:06,480
and it's a little off off but

6035
05:13:06,480 --> 05:13:09,600
it does directly tie into one of the

6036
05:13:09,600 --> 05:13:11,760
questions the Alberta X panel is having

6037
05:13:11,760 --> 05:13:14,958
right and I think that's one of the main

6038
05:13:14,958 --> 05:13:18,080
things conversation pieces around that

6039
05:13:18,080 --> 05:13:20,958
that has started being put out is

6040
05:13:20,958 --> 05:13:24,480
understanding what we're paying for or

6041
05:13:24,480 --> 05:13:26,560
CMP, but we're not getting the full

6042
05:13:26,560 --> 05:13:28,160
roster across the province. That's why

6043
05:13:28,160 --> 05:13:29,600
that's one of those discussions, just as

6044
05:13:29,600 --> 05:13:32,798
a side piece, right? Or where that

6045
05:13:32,798 --> 05:13:34,560
funding could be going if we went to a

6046
05:13:34,560 --> 05:13:37,200
different model if we if we did.

6047
05:13:37,200 --> 05:13:38,550
>> Well, don't get me wrong. I'm not

6048
05:13:38,550 --> 05:13:38,560
» Well, don't get me wrong. I'm not

6049
05:13:38,560 --> 05:13:40,000
complaining about the policing. I think

6050
05:13:40,000 --> 05:13:42,160
the police are doing a fantastic job

6051
05:13:42,160 --> 05:13:43,760
with the resources they have.

6052
05:13:43,760 --> 05:13:45,030
>> The problem is they don't have enough

6053
05:13:45,030 --> 05:13:45,040
» The problem is they don't have enough

6054
05:13:45,040 --> 05:13:46,400
resources. We're very well aware of

6055
05:13:46,400 --> 05:13:48,240
that.

6056
05:13:48,240 --> 05:13:49,120
That's a problem.

6057
05:13:49,120 --> 05:13:51,030
>> Yeah. But they are doing well with what

6058
05:13:51,030 --> 05:13:51,040
» Yeah. But they are doing well with what

6059
05:13:51,040 --> 05:13:53,200
they've got. And to be quite honest,

6060
05:13:53,200 --> 05:13:55,440
when they've put together some of these

6061
05:13:55,440 --> 05:13:58,718
uh whatever you want to call them where

6062
05:13:58,718 --> 05:14:01,040
they actually talked to one another.

6063
05:14:01,040 --> 05:14:03,600
That worked out fantastic because a

6064
05:14:03,600 --> 05:14:05,840
detachment knew who the who the problem

6065
05:14:05,840 --> 05:14:08,080
was, but that problem traveled around

6066
05:14:08,080 --> 05:14:10,240
the whole county. Soon as they shared

6067
05:14:10,240 --> 05:14:12,000
that information,

6068
05:14:12,000 --> 05:14:15,350
>> it worked. So collaboration, I guess,

6069
05:14:15,350 --> 05:14:15,360
» it worked. So collaboration, I guess,

6070
05:14:15,360 --> 05:14:18,080
between the RCMPs did make a heck of a

6071
05:14:18,080 --> 05:14:21,280
difference. But as far as the response

6072
05:14:21,280 --> 05:14:23,840
time to your house probably hasn't

6073
05:14:23,840 --> 05:14:27,040
changed after the 489,000

6074
05:14:27,040 --> 05:14:28,878
it's it's non-existent. They won't come

6075
05:14:28,878 --> 05:14:31,200
out. They just say there's by the time

6076
05:14:31,200 --> 05:14:32,718
they get there's no point and that's a

6077
05:14:32,718 --> 05:14:35,360
problem and it's not a reflection of the

6078
05:14:35,360 --> 05:14:37,120
officers. It's never a reflection of the

6079
05:14:37,120 --> 05:14:41,200
officers anyways. Yeah.

6080
05:14:41,200 --> 05:14:42,310
>> Sorry for

6081
05:14:42,310 --> 05:14:42,320
» Sorry for

6082
05:14:42,320 --> 05:14:45,510
>> No, I mean don't apologize. the point

6083
05:14:45,510 --> 05:14:45,520
» No, I mean don't apologize. the point

6084
05:14:45,520 --> 05:14:49,120
point of me being here is is to have a

6085
05:14:49,120 --> 05:14:52,000
frank conversation of of what you're

6086
05:14:52,000 --> 05:14:54,560
seeing and you know obviously I'm not

6087
05:14:54,560 --> 05:14:56,160
having you're not getting any answers

6088
05:14:56,160 --> 05:14:57,680
for me today and you're well aware of

6089
05:14:57,680 --> 05:14:59,920
that but it's it's it's that awareness

6090
05:14:59,920 --> 05:15:02,400
piece first. It's the first of many

6091
05:15:02,400 --> 05:15:03,600
conversations right?

6092
05:15:03,600 --> 05:15:04,150
>> Yeah.

6093
05:15:04,150 --> 05:15:04,160
» Yeah.

6094
05:15:04,160 --> 05:15:05,110
>> Yeah.

6095
05:15:05,110 --> 05:15:05,120
» Yeah.

6096
05:15:05,120 --> 05:15:08,550
>> Um so yeah

6097
05:15:08,550 --> 05:15:08,560
» Um so yeah

6098
05:15:08,560 --> 05:15:10,868
>> go ahead councelor Cunningham please.

6099
05:15:10,868 --> 05:15:10,878
» go ahead councelor Cunningham please.

6100
05:15:10,878 --> 05:15:12,320
They're always nervous when they get me

6101
05:15:12,320 --> 05:15:14,080
talking provincial or federal politics

6102
05:15:14,080 --> 05:15:14,718
or issues.

6103
05:15:14,718 --> 05:15:16,150
>> I'm saying provincial too.

6104
05:15:16,150 --> 05:15:16,160
» I'm saying provincial too.

6105
05:15:16,160 --> 05:15:17,910
>> Well, no, for sure. But but in saying

6106
05:15:17,910 --> 05:15:17,920
» Well, no, for sure. But but in saying

6107
05:15:17,920 --> 05:15:20,638
that, I want to just acknowledge that I

6108
05:15:20,638 --> 05:15:22,080
understand the downloading from the

6109
05:15:22,080 --> 05:15:23,840
province to the municipalities, you

6110
05:15:23,840 --> 05:15:25,440
folks as a province are also facing

6111
05:15:25,440 --> 05:15:26,878
downloading from the federal government.

6112
05:15:26,878 --> 05:15:28,560
So there's, you know, there's an effect

6113
05:15:28,560 --> 05:15:30,080
across the board. So even though we are

6114
05:15:30,080 --> 05:15:31,520
talking provincial, federal is always

6115
05:15:31,520 --> 05:15:32,718
going to enter into it as well. But

6116
05:15:32,718 --> 05:15:35,280
anyhow, um, couple quick things. Um it

6117
05:15:35,280 --> 05:15:36,560
was really awesome this summer that

6118
05:15:36,560 --> 05:15:38,080
yourself and Minister Williams who's the

6119
05:15:38,080 --> 05:15:40,400
Minister of Municipal Affairs um stopped

6120
05:15:40,400 --> 05:15:42,958
in to have a visit with us. Um one thing

6121
05:15:42,958 --> 05:15:44,958
that I what I'm hearing from some

6122
05:15:44,958 --> 05:15:46,798
colleagues across the province is Bill

6123
05:15:46,798 --> 05:15:49,680
50 which received relent in May of of

6124
05:15:49,680 --> 05:15:51,840
this year uh which is changing a lot of

6125
05:15:51,840 --> 05:15:53,600
the way that municipalities do their

6126
05:15:53,600 --> 05:15:55,280
business and especially code of conduct.

6127
05:15:55,280 --> 05:15:56,560
Like my understanding is our code of

6128
05:15:56,560 --> 05:15:58,080
conduct that's currently on the wall is

6129
05:15:58,080 --> 05:16:00,878
actually redundant now. So, um, little

6130
05:16:00,878 --> 05:16:04,320
bit of, um, interest from me as to where

6131
05:16:04,320 --> 05:16:06,080
the province is going to go with that.

6132
05:16:06,080 --> 05:16:07,600
We're kind of sitting in a little bit of

6133
05:16:07,600 --> 05:16:10,560
never neverland, it appears. Um, I did

6134
05:16:10,560 --> 05:16:12,000
hear that there was maybe going to be an

6135
05:16:12,000 --> 05:16:13,520
integrity minister that would be hired

6136
05:16:13,520 --> 05:16:15,680
to kind of deal with some of those code

6137
05:16:15,680 --> 05:16:18,000
of conduct issues, but it kind of feels

6138
05:16:18,000 --> 05:16:19,360
like the code of conduct's been taken

6139
05:16:19,360 --> 05:16:20,798
away and we're there hasn't been

6140
05:16:20,798 --> 05:16:22,320
anything been replaced yet to my

6141
05:16:22,320 --> 05:16:24,958
understanding. So, I really hope and I

6142
05:16:24,958 --> 05:16:26,160
think we mentioned it to Minister

6143
05:16:26,160 --> 05:16:28,400
Williams that day is um all of us with

6144
05:16:28,400 --> 05:16:30,160
rural municipalities will be in Edmonton

6145
05:16:30,160 --> 05:16:31,840
November. Those of us that are sitting

6146
05:16:31,840 --> 05:16:33,600
around the table, I really hope there's

6147
05:16:33,600 --> 05:16:35,920
some clarity around that. Um we are

6148
05:16:35,920 --> 05:16:37,600
currently working on a governance model

6149
05:16:37,600 --> 05:16:39,840
at Nihill County and I have a little bit

6150
05:16:39,840 --> 05:16:41,600
of frustration with it because it's hard

6151
05:16:41,600 --> 05:16:44,080
to tailor that if the province is going

6152
05:16:44,080 --> 05:16:46,320
to come and change some of the ways we

6153
05:16:46,320 --> 05:16:49,120
do our business. So, so yeah, just

6154
05:16:49,120 --> 05:16:51,040
really hoping that that sooner rather

6155
05:16:51,040 --> 05:16:52,400
than later there's some clarity around

6156
05:16:52,400 --> 05:16:54,958
that bill that was passed in May. Um,

6157
05:16:54,958 --> 05:16:56,400
we've had some really great

6158
05:16:56,400 --> 05:16:58,400
conversations. I think Minister Nudorf

6159
05:16:58,400 --> 05:17:00,958
um hides when I get up at RMA. Um, but

6160
05:17:00,958 --> 05:17:02,400
we do we've had some excellent

6161
05:17:02,400 --> 05:17:04,958
conversations about the AU and municipal

6162
05:17:04,958 --> 05:17:06,878
involvement within the AU. I think we've

6163
05:17:06,878 --> 05:17:09,840
made huge inroads in the past four years

6164
05:17:09,840 --> 05:17:11,840
and um I really do appreciate the work

6165
05:17:11,840 --> 05:17:14,240
that he's done. not to speak for the

6166
05:17:14,240 --> 05:17:15,760
rest of council, but what we were really

6167
05:17:15,760 --> 05:17:17,760
looking forward, what we're really

6168
05:17:17,760 --> 05:17:19,520
looking for was to have a seat at that

6169
05:17:19,520 --> 05:17:23,120
table um and be have our concerns around

6170
05:17:23,120 --> 05:17:24,958
municipalities listened to. And I kind

6171
05:17:24,958 --> 05:17:26,480
of liken it to my husband, not just

6172
05:17:26,480 --> 05:17:29,040
listen, but hear what I'm saying. So,

6173
05:17:29,040 --> 05:17:31,440
we're hoping um and I know I I've pulled

6174
05:17:31,440 --> 05:17:32,958
up two letters that we've received from

6175
05:17:32,958 --> 05:17:34,798
from Minister Nudorf in the last two

6176
05:17:34,798 --> 05:17:37,920
years. when he spoke at RMA he said

6177
05:17:37,920 --> 05:17:39,840
there was um directives that they have

6178
05:17:39,840 --> 05:17:41,920
given the AU but unfortunately the AUC

6179
05:17:41,920 --> 05:17:44,400
is at that time could have changed was

6180
05:17:44,400 --> 05:17:46,240
not following through. So I believe

6181
05:17:46,240 --> 05:17:47,760
there was a legislative piece that was

6182
05:17:47,760 --> 05:17:48,958
going to come forward and I'm not really

6183
05:17:48,958 --> 05:17:50,958
sure where that's sitting. So I would

6184
05:17:50,958 --> 05:17:53,120
really love an update from from Minister

6185
05:17:53,120 --> 05:17:55,440
Nudorf and his ministry as to where

6186
05:17:55,440 --> 05:17:58,958
that's all sitting. So that's an

6187
05:17:58,958 --> 05:18:00,798
economic withholding. We talked about it

6188
05:18:00,798 --> 05:18:04,320
this morning and um yeah, it's still an

6189
05:18:04,320 --> 05:18:05,600
issue. I think that I see Minister

6190
05:18:05,600 --> 05:18:07,200
Nudorf put out some little press

6191
05:18:07,200 --> 05:18:09,040
releases every once in a while. So, lots

6192
05:18:09,040 --> 05:18:10,320
of work to be done there, but we just

6193
05:18:10,320 --> 05:18:11,920
really like some clarity on where where

6194
05:18:11,920 --> 05:18:13,920
that all sits. I know the AU was

6195
05:18:13,920 --> 05:18:17,200
changing rule 007 and just would like to

6196
05:18:17,200 --> 05:18:19,280
know where a lot of that stands. So, and

6197
05:18:19,280 --> 05:18:21,120
one more quickly for me. Um, we're doing

6198
05:18:21,120 --> 05:18:23,040
a lot of conversations about a potential

6199
05:18:23,040 --> 05:18:25,760
building um pavilion site at Horseshoe

6200
05:18:25,760 --> 05:18:28,400
Canyon. And I would really love the

6201
05:18:28,400 --> 05:18:31,600
province to um to come out. I'd like to

6202
05:18:31,600 --> 05:18:32,878
extend an invitation and have the

6203
05:18:32,878 --> 05:18:34,958
province come out and tour. We are being

6204
05:18:34,958 --> 05:18:36,400
told there's there's a lot of interest

6205
05:18:36,400 --> 05:18:38,320
in tourism in the province of Alberta.

6206
05:18:38,320 --> 05:18:40,320
So, um would love the province to come

6207
05:18:40,320 --> 05:18:42,000
out and have a have a tour of of

6208
05:18:42,000 --> 05:18:44,718
Horseshoe Canyon and and the area and uh

6209
05:18:44,718 --> 05:18:46,798
any money that they would like to give

6210
05:18:46,798 --> 05:18:48,718
to Nihill County for development there

6211
05:18:48,718 --> 05:18:51,680
would be welcomed. That's it for me.

6212
05:18:51,680 --> 05:18:57,190
That was quick, right?

6213
05:18:57,200 --> 05:19:00,080
» Sure. Council Per,

6214
05:19:00,080 --> 05:19:02,000
it's fine. It's all good. Mine's just

6215
05:19:02,000 --> 05:19:04,240
going to be short. Um and as you're well

6216
05:19:04,240 --> 05:19:06,160
aware, Terra, we're we are a rural

6217
05:19:06,160 --> 05:19:09,920
municipality. So any framework, formulas

6218
05:19:09,920 --> 05:19:12,400
or whatever that are out there for

6219
05:19:12,400 --> 05:19:15,360
funding to all kinds of things, what

6220
05:19:15,360 --> 05:19:17,200
works in the city, what works along the

6221
05:19:17,200 --> 05:19:18,798
number two, west of the number two does

6222
05:19:18,798 --> 05:19:21,040
not work out here in the east. And you

6223
05:19:21,040 --> 05:19:23,600
are going to be our front line as to say

6224
05:19:23,600 --> 05:19:27,120
or our voice in Edmonton. Um to really

6225
05:19:27,120 --> 05:19:30,958
drive that home like what works like I

6226
05:19:30,958 --> 05:19:33,120
said to the west of us and in the cities

6227
05:19:33,120 --> 05:19:34,958
does not work out here for the most

6228
05:19:34,958 --> 05:19:39,510
part. Sure.

6229
05:19:39,520 --> 05:19:40,638
Councelor Christie,

6230
05:19:40,638 --> 05:19:42,390
>> I appreciate all everything everybody

6231
05:19:42,390 --> 05:19:42,400
» I appreciate all everything everybody

6232
05:19:42,400 --> 05:19:44,798
said about Horseshoe Canyon and Badland

6233
05:19:44,798 --> 05:19:47,360
Motorsports partly with Drumheller.

6234
05:19:47,360 --> 05:19:49,040
Instead of an attraction, we need need

6235
05:19:49,040 --> 05:19:51,360
to make it a destination to help move

6236
05:19:51,360 --> 05:19:53,440
tourism out of the foot foothills and

6237
05:19:53,440 --> 05:19:55,680
mountains out to rural Alberta. The

6238
05:19:55,680 --> 05:19:57,120
other thing that I'm watching very

6239
05:19:57,120 --> 05:20:00,400
closely with community futures is with

6240
05:20:00,400 --> 05:20:03,120
um the Havlin going into Strathmore.

6241
05:20:03,120 --> 05:20:05,360
They keep telling us about up to 200

6242
05:20:05,360 --> 05:20:07,440
spin-off industries. We need to figure

6243
05:20:07,440 --> 05:20:09,520
out how to be part of that as as a

6244
05:20:09,520 --> 05:20:10,400
county.

6245
05:20:10,400 --> 05:20:12,390
>> So, what we need your ear to the ground

6246
05:20:12,390 --> 05:20:12,400
» So, what we need your ear to the ground

6247
05:20:12,400 --> 05:20:14,560
to give us some guidance to what we can

6248
05:20:14,560 --> 05:20:17,200
do to move some of that north

6249
05:20:17,200 --> 05:20:19,280
and I appreciate we're not Highway 2.

6250
05:20:19,280 --> 05:20:24,628
Sometimes that's a good thing.

6251
05:20:24,638 --> 05:20:25,760
» Sure. Councelor post.

6252
05:20:25,760 --> 05:20:28,390
>> Excellent. All really great points

6253
05:20:28,390 --> 05:20:28,400
» Excellent. All really great points

6254
05:20:28,400 --> 05:20:30,878
everyone. Uh, what role do you see

6255
05:20:30,878 --> 05:20:32,638
municipal government shaping provincial

6256
05:20:32,638 --> 05:20:34,560
policies with issues like land use,

6257
05:20:34,560 --> 05:20:36,320
recreation, economic dis

6258
05:20:36,320 --> 05:20:40,868
diversification?

6259
05:20:40,878 --> 05:20:42,080
» You're going to have to speak clear

6260
05:20:42,080 --> 05:20:43,520
because you kind of said it fast and

6261
05:20:43,520 --> 05:20:45,120
quiet and mumbly. Sorry. So,

6262
05:20:45,120 --> 05:20:47,110
>> that's all good. What role do you see

6263
05:20:47,110 --> 05:20:47,120
» that's all good. What role do you see

6264
05:20:47,120 --> 05:20:49,280
municipal government shaping provincial

6265
05:20:49,280 --> 05:20:51,520
policies with issues like land use,

6266
05:20:51,520 --> 05:20:52,958
recreation, and economic

6267
05:20:52,958 --> 05:20:57,190
diversification?

6268
05:20:57,200 --> 05:20:57,840
Well,

6269
05:20:57,840 --> 05:20:59,590
>> those were my questions from people

6270
05:20:59,590 --> 05:20:59,600
» those were my questions from people

6271
05:20:59,600 --> 05:21:02,798
because they knew she was coming.

6272
05:21:02,798 --> 05:21:05,990
>> Yeah,

6273
05:21:06,000 --> 05:21:08,080
» I don't expect an answer, but just the

6274
05:21:08,080 --> 05:21:10,320
thought that this is what's been Sorry.

6275
05:21:10,320 --> 05:21:11,760
Just a thought that this is what's been

6276
05:21:11,760 --> 05:21:13,120
portrayed to me by the people that knew

6277
05:21:13,120 --> 05:21:14,638
you were coming today that I represent.

6278
05:21:14,638 --> 05:21:16,400
Yeah, I think it would be better to have

6279
05:21:16,400 --> 05:21:18,480
that convers conversation with them with

6280
05:21:18,480 --> 05:21:19,920
a better context or where they're coming

6281
05:21:19,920 --> 05:21:22,000
from that when you talk about land use

6282
05:21:22,000 --> 05:21:23,440
and what their actual specific concern

6283
05:21:23,440 --> 05:21:25,600
is to give a proper answer to be frank.

6284
05:21:25,600 --> 05:21:27,430
>> Uh, sure. And one of the concerns would

6285
05:21:27,430 --> 05:21:27,440
» Uh, sure. And one of the concerns would

6286
05:21:27,440 --> 05:21:29,760
be around the AU and how the downloading

6287
05:21:29,760 --> 05:21:31,200
happens and we don't have a choice

6288
05:21:31,200 --> 05:21:33,280
because it's considered public interest.

6289
05:21:33,280 --> 05:21:35,750
>> Right.

6290
05:21:35,750 --> 05:21:35,760
» Right.

6291
05:21:35,760 --> 05:21:38,798
And and some of that, you know, some of

6292
05:21:38,798 --> 05:21:39,840
that is just going to be better

6293
05:21:39,840 --> 05:21:42,480
answered. Um, I'm not going to be able

6294
05:21:42,480 --> 05:21:43,680
to answer it for you today.

6295
05:21:43,680 --> 05:21:45,910
>> That's fine. And uh some of that also

6296
05:21:45,910 --> 05:21:45,920
» That's fine. And uh some of that also

6297
05:21:45,920 --> 05:21:47,680
relates to the minister who it applies

6298
05:21:47,680 --> 05:21:49,360
to more, right? And they're looking for

6299
05:21:49,360 --> 05:21:53,760
my stance. But again, those kind of that

6300
05:21:53,760 --> 05:21:57,280
level of of of question is is more of to

6301
05:21:57,280 --> 05:21:58,798
have with them to get a better context

6302
05:21:58,798 --> 05:22:00,240
and I can give a better answer that's

6303
05:22:00,240 --> 05:22:01,840
not going to get it here today at a

6304
05:22:01,840 --> 05:22:03,120
council meeting because that's not

6305
05:22:03,120 --> 05:22:06,000
really uh that that's not really the

6306
05:22:06,000 --> 05:22:08,878
point of today's is today was more of me

6307
05:22:08,878 --> 05:22:10,560
wanting to talk to to the counselors

6308
05:22:10,560 --> 05:22:12,718
with what's going on in the county, not

6309
05:22:12,718 --> 05:22:15,600
so much um

6310
05:22:15,600 --> 05:22:16,878
that. Yeah.

6311
05:22:16,878 --> 05:22:18,708
>> Perfect. Thank you. Yeah. So

6312
05:22:18,708 --> 05:22:18,718
» Perfect. Thank you. Yeah. So

6313
05:22:18,718 --> 05:22:23,270
>> I guess you know Tara and I I totally

6314
05:22:23,270 --> 05:22:23,280
» I guess you know Tara and I I totally

6315
05:22:23,280 --> 05:22:24,958
get where you're coming from and what

6316
05:22:24,958 --> 05:22:26,958
you're hearing is is there are issues

6317
05:22:26,958 --> 05:22:30,000
from our point of view around land use

6318
05:22:30,000 --> 05:22:33,040
management and municipal input on the

6319
05:22:33,040 --> 05:22:34,958
decisions that are being made at a much

6320
05:22:34,958 --> 05:22:37,280
higher level than what we have

6321
05:22:37,280 --> 05:22:41,350
>> and concerns around um things that are

6322
05:22:41,350 --> 05:22:41,360
» and concerns around um things that are

6323
05:22:41,360 --> 05:22:45,520
happening at a AU and beyond. Um,

6324
05:22:45,520 --> 05:22:47,030
>> and and I will say if I could just

6325
05:22:47,030 --> 05:22:47,040
» and and I will say if I could just

6326
05:22:47,040 --> 05:22:48,480
interject, although I know what some of

6327
05:22:48,480 --> 05:22:50,560
these are, I need everyone to stop using

6328
05:22:50,560 --> 05:22:53,920
acronyms all the time because um

6329
05:22:53,920 --> 05:22:55,910
>> I'm still learning. So you're all and so

6330
05:22:55,910 --> 05:22:55,920
» I'm still learning. So you're all and so

6331
05:22:55,920 --> 05:22:57,360
you might use it all the time. The

6332
05:22:57,360 --> 05:23:00,000
acronyms I'm used to are in the egg

6333
05:23:00,000 --> 05:23:02,080
field. So you guys are throwing this out

6334
05:23:02,080 --> 05:23:03,760
and I'm just I should have said that at

6335
05:23:03,760 --> 05:23:05,120
the start. I mean, I actually know what

6336
05:23:05,120 --> 05:23:06,958
some of them are, but you but you're

6337
05:23:06,958 --> 05:23:08,718
only talking in acronyms because that's

6338
05:23:08,718 --> 05:23:11,040
what you're used to doing. It just it's

6339
05:23:11,040 --> 05:23:13,200
uh it it's always best practice start

6340
05:23:13,200 --> 05:23:14,798
with saying the full title before you

6341
05:23:14,798 --> 05:23:16,718
use the acronym. Then we all know

6342
05:23:16,718 --> 05:23:18,320
because there are gazillion acronyms out

6343
05:23:18,320 --> 05:23:19,200
there as well.

6344
05:23:19,200 --> 05:23:19,510
>> Okay.

6345
05:23:19,510 --> 05:23:19,520
» Okay.

6346
05:23:19,520 --> 05:23:21,110
>> And so I know when we're using which

6347
05:23:21,110 --> 05:23:21,120
» And so I know when we're using which

6348
05:23:21,120 --> 05:23:22,560
ones we're using best

6349
05:23:22,560 --> 05:23:23,910
>> stand corrected. Thank you.

6350
05:23:23,910 --> 05:23:23,920
» stand corrected. Thank you.

6351
05:23:23,920 --> 05:23:25,030
>> Just as a

6352
05:23:25,030 --> 05:23:25,040
» Just as a

6353
05:23:25,040 --> 05:23:26,788
>> So when I say ABC, does that mean

6354
05:23:26,788 --> 05:23:26,798
» So when I say ABC, does that mean

6355
05:23:26,798 --> 05:23:28,400
Alberta Barley Commission or is that

6356
05:23:28,400 --> 05:23:30,000
what my granddaughter's learning?

6357
05:23:30,000 --> 05:23:32,150
>> Well, yeah, that Well, it's not we're

6358
05:23:32,150 --> 05:23:32,160
» Well, yeah, that Well, it's not we're

6359
05:23:32,160 --> 05:23:34,400
not they aren't ABC anymore, so I'm no

6360
05:23:34,400 --> 05:23:36,480
longer confused on that one.

6361
05:23:36,480 --> 05:23:38,560
often there's an acronym for three

6362
05:23:38,560 --> 05:23:40,400
different things have the same acronym,

6363
05:23:40,400 --> 05:23:42,000
right? So, um,

6364
05:23:42,000 --> 05:23:43,910
>> so the ones we're particularly

6365
05:23:43,910 --> 05:23:43,920
» so the ones we're particularly

6366
05:23:43,920 --> 05:23:45,920
interested in and affected by would be

6367
05:23:45,920 --> 05:23:48,080
the Alberta Utilities Commission and

6368
05:23:48,080 --> 05:23:50,798
Alberta Energy Regulator and the impacts

6369
05:23:50,798 --> 05:23:52,638
that they have on our everyday life.

6370
05:23:52,638 --> 05:23:52,878
Yeah,

6371
05:23:52,878 --> 05:23:55,430
>> I think we're pretty for the most part

6372
05:23:55,430 --> 05:23:55,440
» I think we're pretty for the most part

6373
05:23:55,440 --> 05:23:58,480
pretty satisfied with which um with some

6374
05:23:58,480 --> 05:24:00,320
of the other organizations and what

6375
05:24:00,320 --> 05:24:02,000
they're doing, but those two in

6376
05:24:02,000 --> 05:24:03,280
particular

6377
05:24:03,280 --> 05:24:06,230
>> and what appears from our point of view

6378
05:24:06,230 --> 05:24:06,240
» and what appears from our point of view

6379
05:24:06,240 --> 05:24:09,440
to be unrestrained ability to impact

6380
05:24:09,440 --> 05:24:12,320
what happens within our municipality

6381
05:24:12,320 --> 05:24:16,320
and what seems to be at times to us

6382
05:24:16,320 --> 05:24:20,160
anyway, their ability to ignore

6383
05:24:20,160 --> 05:24:22,638
government directive

6384
05:24:22,638 --> 05:24:24,160
I've heard that um

6385
05:24:24,160 --> 05:24:27,030
>> because they're quasi judicial um they

6386
05:24:27,030 --> 05:24:27,040
» because they're quasi judicial um they

6387
05:24:27,040 --> 05:24:30,798
seem to have certain amount of

6388
05:24:30,798 --> 05:24:33,200
flexibility that nobody else has in

6389
05:24:33,200 --> 05:24:35,440
spite of what the provincial government

6390
05:24:35,440 --> 05:24:38,718
or others might request or ask and so it

6391
05:24:38,718 --> 05:24:40,638
is a big concern to us.

6392
05:24:40,638 --> 05:24:44,628
>> Um so I mean we put a lot on your plate.

6393
05:24:44,628 --> 05:24:44,638
» Um so I mean we put a lot on your plate.

6394
05:24:44,638 --> 05:24:47,520
We've talked about you know in Nehill

6395
05:24:47,520 --> 05:24:49,760
County we need economic development. We

6396
05:24:49,760 --> 05:24:53,440
need um the provincial government's help

6397
05:24:53,440 --> 05:24:57,360
to uh expand what's happening within

6398
05:24:57,360 --> 05:24:59,040
here. But we need that help from two

6399
05:24:59,040 --> 05:25:01,040
points of view. One is on the taxation

6400
05:25:01,040 --> 05:25:03,280
side and the revenue side which is

6401
05:25:03,280 --> 05:25:05,280
affected by

6402
05:25:05,280 --> 05:25:07,280
um assessment model review and the

6403
05:25:07,280 --> 05:25:10,480
mature asset strategy for sure. Um but

6404
05:25:10,480 --> 05:25:15,440
also um it also we need their help from

6405
05:25:15,440 --> 05:25:18,718
the point of view of um

6406
05:25:18,718 --> 05:25:20,638
was annunciated by councelor Christie

6407
05:25:20,638 --> 05:25:23,040
helping us formulate a plan and and

6408
05:25:23,040 --> 05:25:25,120
perhaps have grant money in place to

6409
05:25:25,120 --> 05:25:28,798
move those plans forward. And so when

6410
05:25:28,798 --> 05:25:32,080
Alberta Tourism or some government

6411
05:25:32,080 --> 05:25:35,040
department comes and says we have a plan

6412
05:25:35,040 --> 05:25:38,240
and you're part of our plan, we say we'd

6413
05:25:38,240 --> 05:25:40,320
love to be part of the plan, but we also

6414
05:25:40,320 --> 05:25:42,160
would love to have some money to make

6415
05:25:42,160 --> 05:25:44,798
that happen. Right? And so you see what

6416
05:25:44,798 --> 05:25:46,798
I'm saying, right? So we've talked about

6417
05:25:46,798 --> 05:25:48,798
those things. Um certainly we're

6418
05:25:48,798 --> 05:25:50,798
interested in what's happening in the

6419
05:25:50,798 --> 05:25:52,798
horseshoe Canyon Badlands Motorsports

6420
05:25:52,798 --> 05:25:54,958
area, but also throughout our county. We

6421
05:25:54,958 --> 05:25:56,638
want to see that economic development

6422
05:25:56,638 --> 05:25:59,920
take place. They talked about the human

6423
05:25:59,920 --> 05:26:02,400
resource side of things and the impacts

6424
05:26:02,400 --> 05:26:05,440
that our FCSS program has. We have a

6425
05:26:05,440 --> 05:26:07,600
very unique partnership here between

6426
05:26:07,600 --> 05:26:11,440
Golden Hills and um the six

6427
05:26:11,440 --> 05:26:14,638
municipalities make up our FCSS program

6428
05:26:14,638 --> 05:26:18,958
here. And it's is uniquely focused uh

6429
05:26:18,958 --> 05:26:21,920
here and so

6430
05:26:21,920 --> 05:26:24,400
just want you to be aware of that. Um

6431
05:26:24,400 --> 05:26:26,480
certainly the impacts on

6432
05:26:26,480 --> 05:26:28,000
governmentmandated

6433
05:26:28,000 --> 05:26:30,000
agreements like ICFs and how that

6434
05:26:30,000 --> 05:26:32,480
impacts our bottom line. We needed you

6435
05:26:32,480 --> 05:26:34,560
to be aware of that. And then we're

6436
05:26:34,560 --> 05:26:36,560
always concerned about how we operate

6437
05:26:36,560 --> 05:26:40,878
together as a council. And one of the

6438
05:26:40,878 --> 05:26:43,120
tools that we saw as being quite useful

6439
05:26:43,120 --> 05:26:46,560
was our course our code of conduct. the

6440
05:26:46,560 --> 05:26:48,958
expectation on how we would interact and

6441
05:26:48,958 --> 05:26:51,920
how we would behave towards not only

6442
05:26:51,920 --> 05:26:54,160
each other but also administration and

6443
05:26:54,160 --> 05:26:56,160
the staff that work for us every day.

6444
05:26:56,160 --> 05:26:57,430
>> Oh, for sure.

6445
05:26:57,430 --> 05:26:57,440
» Oh, for sure.

6446
05:26:57,440 --> 05:27:00,948
>> So, um I think those that covers pretty

6447
05:27:00,948 --> 05:27:00,958
» So, um I think those that covers pretty

6448
05:27:00,958 --> 05:27:03,840
much the things that we had on the

6449
05:27:03,840 --> 05:27:06,080
table. What I'd really like to hear is

6450
05:27:06,080 --> 05:27:07,840
kind of what your thoughts are like.

6451
05:27:07,840 --> 05:27:10,560
Where would you like to see things? Um

6452
05:27:10,560 --> 05:27:13,360
kind of what your plans are for as our

6453
05:27:13,360 --> 05:27:15,360
representative for this area. What would

6454
05:27:15,360 --> 05:27:19,360
you like to um what are your goals?

6455
05:27:19,360 --> 05:27:23,350
>> Well, I mean at at this point my my goal

6456
05:27:23,350 --> 05:27:23,360
» Well, I mean at at this point my my goal

6457
05:27:23,360 --> 05:27:25,520
in general first of all and and it is

6458
05:27:25,520 --> 05:27:27,840
going to be for this next little while

6459
05:27:27,840 --> 05:27:31,760
is immersing myself in the constituency

6460
05:27:31,760 --> 05:27:32,958
meeting with everyone to find out

6461
05:27:32,958 --> 05:27:35,200
actually what their full on on concerns.

6462
05:27:35,200 --> 05:27:37,760
My my because my my focus is to be able

6463
05:27:37,760 --> 05:27:41,520
to represent the full constituency up in

6464
05:27:41,520 --> 05:27:43,280
Edmonton. Obviously I feel very

6465
05:27:43,280 --> 05:27:46,160
passionate about and understanding the

6466
05:27:46,160 --> 05:27:48,480
differences that a rural community has

6467
05:27:48,480 --> 05:27:52,798
is not the same as urban. So um that is

6468
05:27:52,798 --> 05:27:55,680
that is my objective. I mean it's it's

6469
05:27:55,680 --> 05:27:58,718
how I it's how I see things anyways. So

6470
05:27:58,718 --> 05:28:01,360
to be able to bring that conversation

6471
05:28:01,360 --> 05:28:04,240
um up with with caucus and my and my

6472
05:28:04,240 --> 05:28:06,480
colleagues when it when it comes up.

6473
05:28:06,480 --> 05:28:09,840
Obviously, as a new MLA, it is I I'm in

6474
05:28:09,840 --> 05:28:12,160
a learning curve mode for a little

6475
05:28:12,160 --> 05:28:14,080
while. So, quite frankly, this this next

6476
05:28:14,080 --> 05:28:16,878
year, my I I'm my one year I'm on a

6477
05:28:16,878 --> 05:28:19,040
one-year goal with that of in this first

6478
05:28:19,040 --> 05:28:21,440
year of really getting a clear

6479
05:28:21,440 --> 05:28:23,280
understanding. And so that's why as I've

6480
05:28:23,280 --> 05:28:26,080
been meeting since I got in, I've been

6481
05:28:26,080 --> 05:28:30,240
meeting with people as quite regularly

6482
05:28:30,240 --> 05:28:32,080
like the calendar gets more and more

6483
05:28:32,080 --> 05:28:34,320
full each week as more and more people

6484
05:28:34,320 --> 05:28:36,400
because I keep giving the same ask to

6485
05:28:36,400 --> 05:28:39,760
every whether I'm meeting with a village

6486
05:28:39,760 --> 05:28:41,680
council or starting to meet with county

6487
05:28:41,680 --> 05:28:43,600
and I'll be meeting with school board as

6488
05:28:43,600 --> 05:28:45,760
well of

6489
05:28:45,760 --> 05:28:47,680
I can't attend if you don't call a

6490
05:28:47,680 --> 05:28:50,320
meeting like I'm looking I'm looking for

6491
05:28:50,320 --> 05:28:53,840
that reach out to my office um to

6492
05:28:53,840 --> 05:28:56,160
connect me with all of the organizations

6493
05:28:56,160 --> 05:28:57,760
or you know to start having those

6494
05:28:57,760 --> 05:29:00,240
meetings. That's my and I'm trying to

6495
05:29:00,240 --> 05:29:02,638
cram them in before we sit at the end of

6496
05:29:02,638 --> 05:29:05,120
October as a starting point.

6497
05:29:05,120 --> 05:29:08,070
>> Um and then I'll be able to make you

6498
05:29:08,070 --> 05:29:08,080
» Um and then I'll be able to make you

6499
05:29:08,080 --> 05:29:11,440
know better better goals of what I can

6500
05:29:11,440 --> 05:29:14,080
do to help and where I can help. Right?

6501
05:29:14,080 --> 05:29:18,798
So, um, that's that's my short short

6502
05:29:18,798 --> 05:29:21,360
answer of of where I am because of

6503
05:29:21,360 --> 05:29:23,840
course

6504
05:29:23,840 --> 05:29:25,760
it's a very large writing and depending

6505
05:29:25,760 --> 05:29:27,920
where I am, they all have very very

6506
05:29:27,920 --> 05:29:30,320
different needs. So, it's assessing

6507
05:29:30,320 --> 05:29:32,558
those needs, learning about them so that

6508
05:29:32,558 --> 05:29:35,360
I can then um, better figure out because

6509
05:29:35,360 --> 05:29:37,680
there the reality is there are limited

6510
05:29:37,680 --> 05:29:40,080
resources. Of course, everyone I can't

6511
05:29:40,080 --> 05:29:41,680
everyone's not going to get the funding

6512
05:29:41,680 --> 05:29:44,000
they need when they at at when they need

6513
05:29:44,000 --> 05:29:48,160
it. And and uh you know, I'm starting to

6514
05:29:48,160 --> 05:29:50,000
to get to know my colleagues. I'm still

6515
05:29:50,000 --> 05:29:52,878
in that phase as well. Um you know, our

6516
05:29:52,878 --> 05:29:55,280
first caucus retreat is in a week.

6517
05:29:55,280 --> 05:29:56,958
There's some I have not yet had a chance

6518
05:29:56,958 --> 05:30:00,000
to meet. So, um figuring out what

6519
05:30:00,000 --> 05:30:02,480
they're doing with their files, right?

6520
05:30:02,480 --> 05:30:06,240
That's it's it's that's okay. It's

6521
05:30:06,240 --> 05:30:08,400
everyone is new at some point. So, am I

6522
05:30:08,400 --> 05:30:10,958
drinking from a fire hose happily? You

6523
05:30:10,958 --> 05:30:12,878
know, but at the end of the day, my goal

6524
05:30:12,878 --> 05:30:15,040
is um

6525
05:30:15,040 --> 05:30:18,240
what can I do to make a like for our

6526
05:30:18,240 --> 05:30:21,440
area to be stronger and to be heard and

6527
05:30:21,440 --> 05:30:23,120
trying because we've got an aging

6528
05:30:23,120 --> 05:30:25,520
population. So, I know the constraints

6529
05:30:25,520 --> 05:30:27,360
we have when it comes to our se senior

6530
05:30:27,360 --> 05:30:31,760
housing issues, right? But, um yeah,

6531
05:30:31,760 --> 05:30:33,200
there's a lot on the plate and and

6532
05:30:33,200 --> 05:30:34,798
there's a lot of issues with

6533
05:30:34,798 --> 05:30:36,638
infrastructure. I'm certainly learning a

6534
05:30:36,638 --> 05:30:38,240
lot of that. everyone between aging

6535
05:30:38,240 --> 05:30:40,480
infrastructure trying to and I'm

6536
05:30:40,480 --> 05:30:43,120
learning about you know concerns have

6537
05:30:43,120 --> 05:30:45,040
been expressed on sometimes the

6538
05:30:45,040 --> 05:30:47,760
difficulty on the grant process and so

6539
05:30:47,760 --> 05:30:51,200
um where I can potentially help navigate

6540
05:30:51,200 --> 05:30:53,280
some of that with everybody but right

6541
05:30:53,280 --> 05:30:56,558
now it it truly is a

6542
05:30:56,558 --> 05:30:59,360
getting to meet people and getting to

6543
05:30:59,360 --> 05:31:00,798
start having those discussions so they

6544
05:31:00,798 --> 05:31:02,320
know who I am and figuring out because

6545
05:31:02,320 --> 05:31:04,160
there's a lot of people I mean there's

6546
05:31:04,160 --> 05:31:06,240
also the reality of the resource that I

6547
05:31:06,240 --> 05:31:09,520
can versus, you know, sometimes um the

6548
05:31:09,520 --> 05:31:11,600
ask is out of my purview. It's different

6549
05:31:11,600 --> 05:31:13,200
coming to meet with a county council

6550
05:31:13,200 --> 05:31:16,480
because you understand uh where I can

6551
05:31:16,480 --> 05:31:19,360
and where I cannot, you know, help with

6552
05:31:19,360 --> 05:31:22,320
with issues. But yeah,

6553
05:31:22,320 --> 05:31:24,548
>> well, I think we at one point in time

6554
05:31:24,548 --> 05:31:24,558
» well, I think we at one point in time

6555
05:31:24,558 --> 05:31:26,958
all of us were brand new sitting at this

6556
05:31:26,958 --> 05:31:29,520
table and we thought, wow, there's a lot

6557
05:31:29,520 --> 05:31:32,160
to learn. So the magnitude of what you

6558
05:31:32,160 --> 05:31:34,320
have to deal with is much greater than

6559
05:31:34,320 --> 05:31:36,240
what we had to deal with at that time.

6560
05:31:36,240 --> 05:31:38,558
So, I appreciate

6561
05:31:38,558 --> 05:31:39,190
>> Yeah.

6562
05:31:39,190 --> 05:31:39,200
» Yeah.

6563
05:31:39,200 --> 05:31:42,310
>> just just the just the fact that you

6564
05:31:42,310 --> 05:31:42,320
» just just the just the fact that you

6565
05:31:42,320 --> 05:31:44,400
say, "I'm I'm trying to get to know

6566
05:31:44,400 --> 05:31:45,920
people. I'm trying to get to know the

6567
05:31:45,920 --> 05:31:48,400
issues within my constituency

6568
05:31:48,400 --> 05:31:50,160
and that you're making that your

6569
05:31:50,160 --> 05:31:53,120
priority." To me, that that I respect

6570
05:31:53,120 --> 05:31:55,360
that and and I certainly I'm happy to

6571
05:31:55,360 --> 05:31:56,798
hear you say that. So,

6572
05:31:56,798 --> 05:31:58,548
>> yeah. Well, the communication piece is

6573
05:31:58,548 --> 05:31:58,558
» yeah. Well, the communication piece is

6574
05:31:58,558 --> 05:32:00,400
really important to me. I what I've been

6575
05:32:00,400 --> 05:32:03,040
saying to everyone is I'm more in I'm

6576
05:32:03,040 --> 05:32:04,878
more interested with connecting. It's

6577
05:32:04,878 --> 05:32:06,480
not so much that invite is not because

6578
05:32:06,480 --> 05:32:08,638
I'm wanting it's not I'm not interested

6579
05:32:08,638 --> 05:32:10,558
necessarily. It's not the photo op. I

6580
05:32:10,558 --> 05:32:13,600
want to go deeper than a photo op in and

6581
05:32:13,600 --> 05:32:17,040
um you know I I have a few things in the

6582
05:32:17,040 --> 05:32:19,440
work of the you know to communicate

6583
05:32:19,440 --> 05:32:21,200
better because one thing I heard on the

6584
05:32:21,200 --> 05:32:22,718
doors a lot of people felt like they

6585
05:32:22,718 --> 05:32:24,958
didn't know

6586
05:32:24,958 --> 05:32:27,280
what was being done if anything. So, you

6587
05:32:27,280 --> 05:32:29,520
can look forward to a newsletter that

6588
05:32:29,520 --> 05:32:31,200
I'm going to be creating so that people

6589
05:32:31,200 --> 05:32:32,878
will know what I'm up to and where I've

6590
05:32:32,878 --> 05:32:35,280
been, which will also be helpful for the

6591
05:32:35,280 --> 05:32:36,878
areas that maybe if they see that I

6592
05:32:36,878 --> 05:32:38,160
haven't been in there, that might be

6593
05:32:38,160 --> 05:32:40,000
that flag of did you send me that invite

6594
05:32:40,000 --> 05:32:41,280
for me to know. I'm not going to be able

6595
05:32:41,280 --> 05:32:44,400
to go to everything. Um, but I've

6596
05:32:44,400 --> 05:32:48,000
actually already I've I've hit most of

6597
05:32:48,000 --> 05:32:50,080
the towns actually in the short time

6598
05:32:50,080 --> 05:32:53,360
I've been in one event or another, which

6599
05:32:53,360 --> 05:32:55,600
is not too bad, I thought, given it's

6600
05:32:55,600 --> 05:32:56,638
summer.

6601
05:32:56,638 --> 05:32:59,270
>> Um, but yeah,

6602
05:32:59,270 --> 05:32:59,280
» Um, but yeah,

6603
05:32:59,280 --> 05:33:02,400
I'm more of a I appreciate what you say

6604
05:33:02,400 --> 05:33:06,400
on on the code of conduct piece. I I am

6605
05:33:06,400 --> 05:33:08,400
there's two things I'm pretty passionate

6606
05:33:08,400 --> 05:33:10,080
about. It's policy, so I guess I'm in

6607
05:33:10,080 --> 05:33:13,120
the right job. and um really strong

6608
05:33:13,120 --> 05:33:14,958
governance and as someone who had to

6609
05:33:14,958 --> 05:33:16,558
build a framework of that for when

6610
05:33:16,558 --> 05:33:18,638
forming Alberta grains and creating a

6611
05:33:18,638 --> 05:33:20,240
code of like I understand that piece

6612
05:33:20,240 --> 05:33:23,840
because it is it is a building block. Um

6613
05:33:23,840 --> 05:33:27,040
so I know you met with minister and I

6614
05:33:27,040 --> 05:33:28,798
and you had already mentioned it to him

6615
05:33:28,798 --> 05:33:33,440
and and uh taking that note again um

6616
05:33:33,440 --> 05:33:36,240
yeah to follow up with him. Yeah,

6617
05:33:36,240 --> 05:33:38,080
please. Council,

6618
05:33:38,080 --> 05:33:39,670
>> just because you mentioned um

6619
05:33:39,670 --> 05:33:39,680
» just because you mentioned um

6620
05:33:39,680 --> 05:33:41,200
communication and I know for us around

6621
05:33:41,200 --> 05:33:43,040
the table, it's huge, too. And I know I

6622
05:33:43,040 --> 05:33:44,798
had reached out to Tara. I had a rapier

6623
05:33:44,798 --> 05:33:46,798
that asked um now that we've had a

6624
05:33:46,798 --> 05:33:48,798
change in our MLA, is the office still

6625
05:33:48,798 --> 05:33:50,400
the same? Is the phone number still the

6626
05:33:50,400 --> 05:33:52,320
same? So, maybe maybe this would be a

6627
05:33:52,320 --> 05:33:53,760
little opportunity for you to be able to

6628
05:33:53,760 --> 05:33:56,400
just communicate um to our folks how

6629
05:33:56,400 --> 05:33:57,360
they can get a hold of you.

6630
05:33:57,360 --> 05:33:58,788
>> Oh, yeah. Thanks. Yeah, I got my

6631
05:33:58,788 --> 05:33:58,798
» Oh, yeah. Thanks. Yeah, I got my

6632
05:33:58,798 --> 05:34:00,240
business cards finally this week.

6633
05:34:00,240 --> 05:34:02,558
Woohoo.

6634
05:34:02,558 --> 05:34:06,070
>> It's a bit of a work. I mean, so the I

6635
05:34:06,070 --> 05:34:06,080
» It's a bit of a work. I mean, so the I

6636
05:34:06,080 --> 05:34:08,558
did um

6637
05:34:08,558 --> 05:34:12,798
maintain the office in OldS where uh

6638
05:34:12,798 --> 05:34:14,638
Nathan Cooper was. So I did keep the

6639
05:34:14,638 --> 05:34:16,240
office. So that the location is the

6640
05:34:16,240 --> 05:34:18,558
same. And actually I'm very happy to say

6641
05:34:18,558 --> 05:34:21,600
I um was able to maintain the same

6642
05:34:21,600 --> 05:34:23,840
staff. So for those of you who knew

6643
05:34:23,840 --> 05:34:26,878
Brenda Barth, she is my constituency

6644
05:34:26,878 --> 05:34:30,240
office um and she's my assistant. She's

6645
05:34:30,240 --> 05:34:33,120
my right hand. So, and Atlanta is also

6646
05:34:33,120 --> 05:34:36,000
there on one day a week. So, um the only

6647
05:34:36,000 --> 05:34:37,360
thing I've done different is I've I've

6648
05:34:37,360 --> 05:34:39,120
hired a social media coordinator to help

6649
05:34:39,120 --> 05:34:43,040
me on that communications piece. Um so,

6650
05:34:43,040 --> 05:34:46,558
yeah, in terms of how the how to get

6651
05:34:46,558 --> 05:34:48,160
actually this is a great opportunity to

6652
05:34:48,160 --> 05:34:49,920
say anybody who is trying to get in

6653
05:34:49,920 --> 05:34:51,680
touch with me on my personal Facebook, I

6654
05:34:51,680 --> 05:34:54,320
will not be answering you there.

6655
05:34:54,320 --> 05:34:58,708
>> I um that is my personal Facebook and I

6656
05:34:58,708 --> 05:34:58,718
» I um that is my personal Facebook and I

6657
05:34:58,718 --> 05:35:01,120
am keeping that separate. I have a

6658
05:35:01,120 --> 05:35:04,000
business Facebook but more importantly

6659
05:35:04,000 --> 05:35:05,840
that is what reaching out to my office

6660
05:35:05,840 --> 05:35:07,360
there is an email there is a phone

6661
05:35:07,360 --> 05:35:09,280
number if you actually want an issue

6662
05:35:09,280 --> 05:35:12,400
that's where you go and I will get back

6663
05:35:12,400 --> 05:35:15,680
to you and uh it might not be in 24

6664
05:35:15,680 --> 05:35:17,200
hours I hate to break it to you but it

6665
05:35:17,200 --> 05:35:19,440
won't be unless it's an emergency

6666
05:35:19,440 --> 05:35:20,878
there's a lot of calls and a lot of

6667
05:35:20,878 --> 05:35:24,080
things but that is where Brenda handles

6668
05:35:24,080 --> 05:35:27,680
case work so it starts with her actually

6669
05:35:27,680 --> 05:35:30,000
so um I will I will put that. Thank you

6670
05:35:30,000 --> 05:35:32,240
for that PSA. I said that rather firmly,

6671
05:35:32,240 --> 05:35:34,240
but I feel bad when I see one, but I

6672
05:35:34,240 --> 05:35:35,920
won't I won't answer it because that is

6673
05:35:35,920 --> 05:35:38,718
separate. It's also I won't accept your

6674
05:35:38,718 --> 05:35:40,718
fan friend request to my personal, but

6675
05:35:40,718 --> 05:35:44,558
join my you can go to my MLA I've put an

6676
05:35:44,558 --> 05:35:47,040
MLA Facebook page, which we're still and

6677
05:35:47,040 --> 05:35:48,798
I got hacked on Twitter three weeks ago,

6678
05:35:48,798 --> 05:35:51,440
so I have no Twitter. I can't get that

6679
05:35:51,440 --> 05:35:54,320
back. So, have to recreate a new one

6680
05:35:54,320 --> 05:35:56,718
there. Well, I'm glad that you are

6681
05:35:56,718 --> 05:35:59,200
trying to carve out a personal space for

6682
05:35:59,200 --> 05:36:00,638
yourself because this can be really

6683
05:36:00,638 --> 05:36:04,718
important. Um, the sad reality sometimes

6684
05:36:04,718 --> 05:36:07,040
is when you're in this public role that

6685
05:36:07,040 --> 05:36:09,120
you've just taken, it's almost

6686
05:36:09,120 --> 05:36:12,160
impossible to go anywhere without being

6687
05:36:12,160 --> 05:36:15,920
Terara Sawyer MLA. And I I'm sorry for

6688
05:36:15,920 --> 05:36:18,878
that, but that's the reality some days.

6689
05:36:18,878 --> 05:36:21,200
But I am I'm happy to hear that you are

6690
05:36:21,200 --> 05:36:23,280
trying to carve out a a personal spot

6691
05:36:23,280 --> 05:36:24,400
for yourself. So,

6692
05:36:24,400 --> 05:36:26,150
>> yeah. No, it's not an apology, Ken.

6693
05:36:26,150 --> 05:36:26,160
» yeah. No, it's not an apology, Ken.

6694
05:36:26,160 --> 05:36:28,310
>> No, I know it's not. It's a good job on

6695
05:36:28,310 --> 05:36:28,320
» No, I know it's not. It's a good job on

6696
05:36:28,320 --> 05:36:29,760
your part that you do that.

6697
05:36:29,760 --> 05:36:32,230
>> At at the end of the day, I feel very

6698
05:36:32,230 --> 05:36:32,240
» At at the end of the day, I feel very

6699
05:36:32,240 --> 05:36:34,798
honored to have this job. Quite frankly,

6700
05:36:34,798 --> 05:36:37,520
it is my dream job.

6701
05:36:37,520 --> 05:36:42,558
Um, it it really is because I just think

6702
05:36:42,558 --> 05:36:44,558
it's important

6703
05:36:44,558 --> 05:36:47,600
and and to have the ability to hopefully

6704
05:36:47,600 --> 05:36:50,160
be a small part in improving this

6705
05:36:50,160 --> 05:36:52,400
province. I don't take that lightly, but

6706
05:36:52,400 --> 05:36:53,920
it is important because of that. And in

6707
05:36:53,920 --> 05:36:55,600
my past role, I was used even in that

6708
05:36:55,600 --> 05:36:57,360
pastor role people talk to you about and

6709
05:36:57,360 --> 05:36:59,360
that's that's fine. But because it's at

6710
05:36:59,360 --> 05:37:02,798
a this is a new level I've had to

6711
05:37:02,798 --> 05:37:05,040
have to create that that boundary. So

6712
05:37:05,040 --> 05:37:05,670
>> absolutely.

6713
05:37:05,670 --> 05:37:05,680
» absolutely.

6714
05:37:05,680 --> 05:37:07,830
>> Um it's not that I don't care. There is

6715
05:37:07,830 --> 05:37:07,840
» Um it's not that I don't care. There is

6716
05:37:07,840 --> 05:37:09,680
a way to get a hold of me. There's just

6717
05:37:09,680 --> 05:37:12,080
a proper there's a proper way. And I

6718
05:37:12,080 --> 05:37:13,840
don't I'm fine with I I would hope that

6719
05:37:13,840 --> 05:37:15,520
someone comes up and says hi to me.

6720
05:37:15,520 --> 05:37:17,840
Maybe I'll regret saying that later, but

6721
05:37:17,840 --> 05:37:21,840
um you know, you know, to me it is part

6722
05:37:21,840 --> 05:37:25,520
of the the role is um

6723
05:37:25,520 --> 05:37:27,030
>> it's hard to represent the people if you

6724
05:37:27,030 --> 05:37:27,040
» it's hard to represent the people if you

6725
05:37:27,040 --> 05:37:30,160
won't connect with them, right?

6726
05:37:30,160 --> 05:37:32,708
>> Okay, Councelor McGee or Deputy Ree,

6727
05:37:32,708 --> 05:37:32,718
» Okay, Councelor McGee or Deputy Ree,

6728
05:37:32,718 --> 05:37:33,600
sorry.

6729
05:37:33,600 --> 05:37:35,670
>> That's fine. Thank you. I I just want to

6730
05:37:35,670 --> 05:37:35,680
» That's fine. Thank you. I I just want to

6731
05:37:35,680 --> 05:37:38,558
say uh I think you're you're way on

6732
05:37:38,558 --> 05:37:40,160
track with having those clear boundaries

6733
05:37:40,160 --> 05:37:42,000
and communicating those and I appreciate

6734
05:37:42,000 --> 05:37:43,760
that because um the other point I had

6735
05:37:43,760 --> 05:37:45,040
written down that I wanted to share with

6736
05:37:45,040 --> 05:37:47,920
you is uh I appreciate your willingness

6737
05:37:47,920 --> 05:37:50,798
to be engaging with us and I really

6738
05:37:50,798 --> 05:37:53,120
appreciate that your entire caucus

6739
05:37:53,120 --> 05:37:55,280
appears to have a very engaging attitude

6740
05:37:55,280 --> 05:37:57,920
towards working with municipalities.

6741
05:37:57,920 --> 05:38:00,480
I still am looking for improvement for

6742
05:38:00,480 --> 05:38:02,480
it to be in the meaningful ways that

6743
05:38:02,480 --> 05:38:04,878
matter to us as well. But I do see that

6744
05:38:04,878 --> 05:38:07,600
the intent is is has grown greatly since

6745
05:38:07,600 --> 05:38:09,760
I first became a counselor. And I just

6746
05:38:09,760 --> 05:38:12,160
want to express that I love seeing that

6747
05:38:12,160 --> 05:38:13,760
and hoping that the intent is to

6748
05:38:13,760 --> 05:38:15,520
continue to grow that to a more

6749
05:38:15,520 --> 05:38:19,750
meaningful capacity.

6750
05:38:19,760 --> 05:38:22,240
» All right. Thank you,

6751
05:38:22,240 --> 05:38:24,400
Council Wto.

6752
05:38:24,400 --> 05:38:27,110
>> And since I were on YouTube, your

6753
05:38:27,110 --> 05:38:27,120
» And since I were on YouTube, your

6754
05:38:27,120 --> 05:38:29,120
constituency office is still the same

6755
05:38:29,120 --> 05:38:35,510
number, 556 3132.

6756
05:38:35,520 --> 05:38:39,280
Yeah, sure. Sorry. Let's look. I I don't

6757
05:38:39,280 --> 05:38:40,878
ever call the number.

6758
05:38:40,878 --> 05:38:42,070
>> Oh, okay. Um,

6759
05:38:42,070 --> 05:38:42,080
» Oh, okay. Um,

6760
05:38:42,080 --> 05:38:43,750
>> well, I did, so that's why I know what

6761
05:38:43,750 --> 05:38:43,760
» well, I did, so that's why I know what

6762
05:38:43,760 --> 05:38:45,280
the number is. Well, that's what the

6763
05:38:45,280 --> 05:38:46,718
number used to be.

6764
05:38:46,718 --> 05:38:49,190
>> So, I'm just I'm I'm just giving the

6765
05:38:49,190 --> 05:38:49,200
» So, I'm just I'm I'm just giving the

6766
05:38:49,200 --> 05:38:52,718
opportunity for people who may be online

6767
05:38:52,718 --> 05:38:55,440
watching whether how to get a hold of

6768
05:38:55,440 --> 05:38:56,000
you, I guess.

6769
05:38:56,000 --> 05:38:57,190
>> Well, I know because I Googled it

6770
05:38:57,190 --> 05:38:57,200
» Well, I know because I Googled it

6771
05:38:57,200 --> 05:38:59,920
yesterday and it's all there. It's the

6772
05:38:59,920 --> 05:39:02,798
same. 5563132.

6773
05:39:02,798 --> 05:39:07,120
Still the same. And and the the the

6774
05:39:07,120 --> 05:39:09,600
website. Well, it's not really a website

6775
05:39:09,600 --> 05:39:11,120
when you look at it, but that there is

6776
05:39:11,120 --> 05:39:13,120
an email. So, I mean, you can call the

6777
05:39:13,120 --> 05:39:15,120
office. I don't know. I I And you can

6778
05:39:15,120 --> 05:39:17,440
email the office and there is a response

6779
05:39:17,440 --> 05:39:18,000
there.

6780
05:39:18,000 --> 05:39:19,750
>> No, I just I just thought while people

6781
05:39:19,750 --> 05:39:19,760
» No, I just I just thought while people

6782
05:39:19,760 --> 05:39:22,878
were watching, if they had the ability

6783
05:39:22,878 --> 05:39:25,520
to get the number, that way it's it's

6784
05:39:25,520 --> 05:39:27,280
out there. And thank you very much for

6785
05:39:27,280 --> 05:39:29,360
coming in. I do appreciate it.

6786
05:39:29,360 --> 05:39:30,958
Good luck in your job.

6787
05:39:30,958 --> 05:39:33,190
>> And you're right, it probably it's

6788
05:39:33,190 --> 05:39:33,200
» And you're right, it probably it's

6789
05:39:33,200 --> 05:39:34,878
probably even worse than drinking out of

6790
05:39:34,878 --> 05:39:38,080
a fire hose. But, uh, that being said,

6791
05:39:38,080 --> 05:39:40,638
once you catch on, it it gets easier

6792
05:39:40,638 --> 05:39:42,240
down the road.

6793
05:39:42,240 --> 05:39:45,510
>> Well, for sure. And like I said, it's

6794
05:39:45,510 --> 05:39:45,520
» Well, for sure. And like I said, it's

6795
05:39:45,520 --> 05:39:47,920
it's no different than any other job

6796
05:39:47,920 --> 05:39:50,160
when you start a new role role. And it's

6797
05:39:50,160 --> 05:39:51,840
not an excuse. It's just it is the

6798
05:39:51,840 --> 05:39:54,320
reality. And I I have no problem if

6799
05:39:54,320 --> 05:39:55,520
someone

6800
05:39:55,520 --> 05:39:57,030
>> doesn't like that. I'd rather I'm going

6801
05:39:57,030 --> 05:39:57,040
» doesn't like that. I'd rather I'm going

6802
05:39:57,040 --> 05:39:58,958
to be honest. I'm not going to tell you

6803
05:39:58,958 --> 05:40:01,360
I have an answer and have an answer,

6804
05:40:01,360 --> 05:40:04,000
right? It's a I will get back to you,

6805
05:40:04,000 --> 05:40:05,280
which sounds like such a politician

6806
05:40:05,280 --> 05:40:08,160
thing to say, but it's the reality and

6807
05:40:08,160 --> 05:40:09,840
it's no different than any other thing.

6808
05:40:09,840 --> 05:40:11,990
I mean, I'm a pretty bl bl bl bl bl bl

6809
05:40:12,000 --> 05:40:12,080
bl bl bl bl bl bl bl bl bl bl bl bl bl

6810
05:40:12,080 --> 05:40:12,878
bl bl bl bl bl bl bl bl blunt anyone

6811
05:40:12,878 --> 05:40:14,480
knows me, I'm pretty blunt to begin

6812
05:40:14,480 --> 05:40:17,440
with. So, we'll see how that goes. Um,

6813
05:40:17,440 --> 05:40:19,040
but at the end of the day, I think it's

6814
05:40:19,040 --> 05:40:20,558
just it's important for everyone to

6815
05:40:20,558 --> 05:40:23,200
recognize. I mean

6816
05:40:23,200 --> 05:40:27,360
my intent is to represent this writing

6817
05:40:27,360 --> 05:40:31,200
and um you know I may not be able to

6818
05:40:31,200 --> 05:40:32,798
give everyone the answer or the result

6819
05:40:32,798 --> 05:40:35,360
they want but it but every voice is

6820
05:40:35,360 --> 05:40:36,958
going to be I'm going to listen to

6821
05:40:36,958 --> 05:40:40,240
everybody and what I can do I am going

6822
05:40:40,240 --> 05:40:44,160
to do my best to do.

6823
05:40:44,160 --> 05:40:45,190
>> So thank you.

6824
05:40:45,190 --> 05:40:45,200
» So thank you.

6825
05:40:45,200 --> 05:40:48,548
>> So thank you for your time. Noah. Um,

6826
05:40:48,548 --> 05:40:48,558
» So thank you for your time. Noah. Um,

6827
05:40:48,558 --> 05:40:50,320
we thank you for taking the time to be

6828
05:40:50,320 --> 05:40:53,040
here and to have this visit with us

6829
05:40:53,040 --> 05:40:56,240
today. Um, you are in a brand new role

6830
05:40:56,240 --> 05:40:59,360
and it's very important the role that

6831
05:40:59,360 --> 05:41:01,200
you're filling on our behalf. And so we

6832
05:41:01,200 --> 05:41:03,280
need to be very appreciative of the fact

6833
05:41:03,280 --> 05:41:04,878
that you stepped up and are willing to

6834
05:41:04,878 --> 05:41:08,480
do that. And so let us say thank you for

6835
05:41:08,480 --> 05:41:11,280
doing that on our behalf. And um,

6836
05:41:11,280 --> 05:41:14,000
congratulations on successfully

6837
05:41:14,000 --> 05:41:16,558
defending the seat. and we certainly

6838
05:41:16,558 --> 05:41:18,400
will look forward to working together

6839
05:41:18,400 --> 05:41:21,760
with you going forward. And uh if

6840
05:41:21,760 --> 05:41:25,280
there's um stuff that you need from us

6841
05:41:25,280 --> 05:41:27,600
or there's things that we can provide

6842
05:41:27,600 --> 05:41:31,680
information that helps you then uh it's

6843
05:41:31,680 --> 05:41:33,520
a two-way street. We don't want to be

6844
05:41:33,520 --> 05:41:35,840
coming hat to you all the time. We want

6845
05:41:35,840 --> 05:41:37,760
to also support and encourage what

6846
05:41:37,760 --> 05:41:40,638
you're doing as our representative. So,

6847
05:41:40,638 --> 05:41:43,760
so thank you for taking on the role and

6848
05:41:43,760 --> 05:41:46,638
stepping up and even if it's your dream

6849
05:41:46,638 --> 05:41:48,958
job, I'm certain some days it's going to

6850
05:41:48,958 --> 05:41:51,520
be a nightmare. And so, just be

6851
05:41:51,520 --> 05:41:53,600
encouraged, I think, is all I want to

6852
05:41:53,600 --> 05:41:56,480
say and and express our appreciation.

6853
05:41:56,480 --> 05:41:58,160
So, thanks.

6854
05:41:58,160 --> 05:42:00,708
>> Nope. Thanks very much for having me.

6855
05:42:00,708 --> 05:42:00,718
» Nope. Thanks very much for having me.

6856
05:42:00,718 --> 05:42:02,240
Acts of service, right?

6857
05:42:02,240 --> 05:42:03,910
>> Yeah.

6858
05:42:03,910 --> 05:42:03,920
» Yeah.

6859
05:42:03,920 --> 05:42:06,150
>> We all get called to something and I I

6860
05:42:06,150 --> 05:42:06,160
» We all get called to something and I I

6861
05:42:06,160 --> 05:42:07,920
feel called to this one. So,

6862
05:42:07,920 --> 05:42:08,628
>> good.

6863
05:42:08,628 --> 05:42:08,638
» good.

6864
05:42:08,638 --> 05:42:11,110
>> Yeah. So, and thank I mean truly thank

6865
05:42:11,110 --> 05:42:11,120
» Yeah. So, and thank I mean truly thank

6866
05:42:11,120 --> 05:42:13,120
you all. I know you don't have an easy

6867
05:42:13,120 --> 05:42:15,920
job. So, um thank you for what you're

6868
05:42:15,920 --> 05:42:18,638
doing on behalf of the county, all of

6869
05:42:18,638 --> 05:42:21,760
you. And uh yeah, look forward to many

6870
05:42:21,760 --> 05:42:25,360
more meetings.

6871
05:42:25,360 --> 05:42:28,080
We'll have lots to talk about and

6872
05:42:28,080 --> 05:42:30,638
they'll get better the further we go.

6873
05:42:30,638 --> 05:42:31,750
>> Yeah, exactly.

6874
05:42:31,750 --> 05:42:31,760
» Yeah, exactly.

6875
05:42:31,760 --> 05:42:32,868
>> Okay. Thank you.

6876
05:42:32,868 --> 05:42:32,878
» Okay. Thank you.

6877
05:42:32,878 --> 05:42:34,708
>> Thank you very much for spending the

6878
05:42:34,708 --> 05:42:34,718
» Thank you very much for spending the

6879
05:42:34,718 --> 05:42:36,798
time with us today. Very much

6880
05:42:36,798 --> 05:42:49,270
appreciated. So,

6881
05:42:49,280 --> 05:42:50,958
You did say you had a relatively full

6882
05:42:50,958 --> 05:42:59,130
calendar, right?

6883
05:42:59,140 --> 05:43:03,110
[Music]

6884
05:43:03,120 --> 05:43:03,440
» Thanks,

6885
05:43:03,440 --> 05:43:09,270
>> Darl.

6886
05:43:09,280 --> 05:43:11,920
All right.

6887
05:43:11,920 --> 05:43:15,360
Well, that was good.

6888
05:43:15,360 --> 05:43:17,520
Now, we're going to go back to the

6889
05:43:17,520 --> 05:43:20,000
regular business of council. And we left

6890
05:43:20,000 --> 05:43:21,920
off in the middle of a discussion on

6891
05:43:21,920 --> 05:43:24,080
policy 3-1,

6892
05:43:24,080 --> 05:43:25,840
which is council compensation and

6893
05:43:25,840 --> 05:43:28,958
expense reimbursement.

6894
05:43:28,958 --> 05:43:31,040
And I'm going to welcome you back, Miss

6895
05:43:31,040 --> 05:43:33,520
Khaled. And

6896
05:43:33,520 --> 05:43:36,798
um yeah, we had asked for some

6897
05:43:36,798 --> 05:43:39,840
information related to a a change that

6898
05:43:39,840 --> 05:43:42,558
we made in the past and I understand

6899
05:43:42,558 --> 05:43:46,240
that that was researched and you're all

6900
05:43:46,240 --> 05:43:48,718
primed and ready to tell us about it. So

6901
05:43:48,718 --> 05:43:50,958
anytime you're ready.

6902
05:43:50,958 --> 05:43:53,750
>> Yes, we have the answers. Um they're

6903
05:43:53,750 --> 05:43:53,760
» Yes, we have the answers. Um they're

6904
05:43:53,760 --> 05:43:56,638
just up on the board or on the screen.

6905
05:43:56,638 --> 05:43:59,360
The first two are just talking about the

6906
05:43:59,360 --> 05:44:01,040
current state that we're in where we're

6907
05:44:01,040 --> 05:44:02,878
talking about the current amounts as

6908
05:44:02,878 --> 05:44:05,680
well as the proposed the question on the

6909
05:44:05,680 --> 05:44:06,798
table. Oh,

6910
05:44:06,798 --> 05:44:10,230
>> can I bother you to enlarge the screen?

6911
05:44:10,230 --> 05:44:10,240
» can I bother you to enlarge the screen?

6912
05:44:10,240 --> 05:44:12,150
>> Sorry.

6913
05:44:12,150 --> 05:44:12,160
» Sorry.

6914
05:44:12,160 --> 05:44:15,120
That's great. Thank you. Sorry.

6915
05:44:15,120 --> 05:44:17,190
>> That was maybe a little bit much. There

6916
05:44:17,190 --> 05:44:17,200
» That was maybe a little bit much. There

6917
05:44:17,200 --> 05:44:18,958
you go.

6918
05:44:18,958 --> 05:44:23,590
>> Oh, we lost some of the numbers now.

6919
05:44:23,600 --> 05:44:29,510
» There we go. Thank you so much.

6920
05:44:29,520 --> 05:44:31,760
Thank you, Carolyn.

6921
05:44:31,760 --> 05:44:39,750
>> Um, we're still not there quite

6922
05:44:39,760 --> 05:44:47,670
» there.

6923
05:44:47,680 --> 05:44:52,390
» Who said it can't be done?

6924
05:44:52,400 --> 05:44:54,798
All right. So, the first two amounts are

6925
05:44:54,798 --> 05:44:56,958
just going over what's already in the

6926
05:44:56,958 --> 05:45:00,320
report. Talking about the 2025 current

6927
05:45:00,320 --> 05:45:03,440
amount and the 2025 proposed amount. The

6928
05:45:03,440 --> 05:45:05,040
question that administration had

6929
05:45:05,040 --> 05:45:08,080
received was about the cut that we had

6930
05:45:08,080 --> 05:45:10,320
that council went through in 2020. That

6931
05:45:10,320 --> 05:45:14,558
was a 15% base pay cut. Uh prior to that

6932
05:45:14,558 --> 05:45:18,160
cut, the amounts for Reeve, deputy reev,

6933
05:45:18,160 --> 05:45:20,878
and counselor are in the pri prior to

6934
05:45:20,878 --> 05:45:22,638
cut column.

6935
05:45:22,638 --> 05:45:25,200
After the cut, the amounts were 2,800

6936
05:45:25,200 --> 05:45:28,080
for Reev, for the deputy reev 2400, and

6937
05:45:28,080 --> 05:45:33,190
for the counselor, 21,00.

6938
05:45:33,200 --> 05:45:35,760
If the amounts had stayed the same prior

6939
05:45:35,760 --> 05:45:37,520
the prior to the cut amounts had stayed

6940
05:45:37,520 --> 05:45:39,600
and were the ones that were implemented

6941
05:45:39,600 --> 05:45:41,600
the current amounts with the adjustment

6942
05:45:41,600 --> 05:45:44,320
would be the ones on the most right. So

6943
05:45:44,320 --> 05:45:47,600
for the reef it would be 3,364.

6944
05:45:47,600 --> 05:45:50,718
The deputy reef would be 2914

6945
05:45:50,718 --> 05:45:52,798
and the counselor's amount would be

6946
05:45:52,798 --> 05:45:55,040
2578.

6947
05:45:55,040 --> 05:45:56,400
So that would be with those market

6948
05:45:56,400 --> 05:45:58,878
adjustments and if there was no cut that

6949
05:45:58,878 --> 05:46:01,680
would be the current 2025 amount for the

6950
05:46:01,680 --> 05:46:07,430
compensation.

6951
05:46:07,440 --> 05:46:09,600
» Well, thank you for that. I appreciate

6952
05:46:09,600 --> 05:46:11,040
that.

6953
05:46:11,040 --> 05:46:16,310
>> No problem.

6954
05:46:16,320 --> 05:46:18,160
» Uh uh council

6955
05:46:18,160 --> 05:46:21,750
>> sure you want to give

6956
05:46:21,750 --> 05:46:21,760
» sure you want to give

6957
05:46:21,760 --> 05:46:24,230
>> I like that.

6958
05:46:24,230 --> 05:46:24,240
» I like that.

6959
05:46:24,240 --> 05:46:26,400
Um, thank you for that. Um, in seeing

6960
05:46:26,400 --> 05:46:29,440
that I we're really not far off at when

6961
05:46:29,440 --> 05:46:31,120
you put it all together that what we're

6962
05:46:31,120 --> 05:46:37,670
proposing.

6963
05:46:37,680 --> 05:46:44,390
Okay. Um, further questions, discussion,

6964
05:46:44,400 --> 05:46:52,708
direction.

6965
05:46:52,718 --> 05:46:55,120
Councelor Ped.

6966
05:46:55,120 --> 05:46:56,948
>> Um I would actually make the motion that

6967
05:46:56,948 --> 05:46:56,958
» Um I would actually make the motion that

6968
05:46:56,958 --> 05:46:59,520
council move to approve make sure I'm on

6969
05:46:59,520 --> 05:47:02,320
the right one here. Policy 3-1 council

6970
05:47:02,320 --> 05:47:04,160
compensation expense reimbursement as

6971
05:47:04,160 --> 05:47:11,590
presented effective November 1st, 2025.

6972
05:47:11,600 --> 05:47:14,320
Okay.

6973
05:47:14,320 --> 05:47:17,600
All right. Any further discussion,

6974
05:47:17,600 --> 05:47:20,958
comment uh related to the motion that we

6975
05:47:20,958 --> 05:47:25,120
approve the proposed policy 3-1 council

6976
05:47:25,120 --> 05:47:27,200
compensation and expense reimbursement

6977
05:47:27,200 --> 05:47:30,080
as presented to be effective November

6978
05:47:30,080 --> 05:47:33,440
1st of 2021.

6979
05:47:33,440 --> 05:47:35,360
I'm Deputy Reed McGee.

6980
05:47:35,360 --> 05:47:38,948
>> I just feel after um my comments earlier

6981
05:47:38,948 --> 05:47:38,958
» I just feel after um my comments earlier

6982
05:47:38,958 --> 05:47:42,558
that I need to um say that I will be

6983
05:47:42,558 --> 05:47:44,878
voting in favor of this motion. I feel

6984
05:47:44,878 --> 05:47:47,120
that we have had a great discussion

6985
05:47:47,120 --> 05:47:49,680
though I'm still bit uncomfortable with

6986
05:47:49,680 --> 05:47:52,558
the overall salary. The o overall policy

6987
05:47:52,558 --> 05:47:55,440
is what uh the majority wants and I'm

6988
05:47:55,440 --> 05:47:57,520
quite happy with the conversation going

6989
05:47:57,520 --> 05:48:00,878
but um my position on that one number

6990
05:48:00,878 --> 05:48:04,000
isn't going to cause me to vote against

6991
05:48:04,000 --> 05:48:06,718
uh this motion.

6992
05:48:06,718 --> 05:48:08,788
>> Okay. Thank you for that. Any other

6993
05:48:08,788 --> 05:48:08,798
» Okay. Thank you for that. Any other

6994
05:48:08,798 --> 05:48:12,558
discussion, comment or question? Um we

6995
05:48:12,558 --> 05:48:16,480
have the motion to approve um as

6996
05:48:16,480 --> 05:48:21,030
presented.

6997
05:48:21,040 --> 05:48:22,240
Councelor Cunningham.

6998
05:48:22,240 --> 05:48:23,510
>> So I just want to say thank you for

6999
05:48:23,510 --> 05:48:23,520
» So I just want to say thank you for

7000
05:48:23,520 --> 05:48:24,958
getting those numbers that that I

7001
05:48:24,958 --> 05:48:26,718
requested. That was very helpful for me

7002
05:48:26,718 --> 05:48:28,798
because I didn't sit on council last

7003
05:48:28,798 --> 05:48:30,718
time and just as a rateayer at that

7004
05:48:30,718 --> 05:48:34,160
time. Um I have to say I thought it was

7005
05:48:34,160 --> 05:48:36,798
um very honorable of the council at that

7006
05:48:36,798 --> 05:48:38,320
time. Like we said, we were every we

7007
05:48:38,320 --> 05:48:39,520
were going through a very interesting

7008
05:48:39,520 --> 05:48:42,000
time in the world at that time and so

7009
05:48:42,000 --> 05:48:44,878
for council to take that cut uh I think

7010
05:48:44,878 --> 05:48:48,160
was was very like I said kind of set the

7011
05:48:48,160 --> 05:48:51,280
tone. So when when you compared that um

7012
05:48:51,280 --> 05:48:53,360
had that stayed where it was, we are

7013
05:48:53,360 --> 05:48:56,000
still actually under what that what that

7014
05:48:56,000 --> 05:48:58,320
payment would be if that amount had

7015
05:48:58,320 --> 05:49:01,280
stayed. So So that's why um I really

7016
05:49:01,280 --> 05:49:02,958
appreciate those numbers that make help

7017
05:49:02,958 --> 05:49:04,638
make things much clearer for me. So

7018
05:49:04,638 --> 05:49:07,360
thank you.

7019
05:49:07,360 --> 05:49:10,480
Thank you for that. Any other questions

7020
05:49:10,480 --> 05:49:12,798
or comment or discussion related to the

7021
05:49:12,798 --> 05:49:16,160
motion to approve the proposed policy

7022
05:49:16,160 --> 05:49:19,920
effective November 1st?

7023
05:49:19,920 --> 05:49:21,840
I don't see any. I'm going to call the

7024
05:49:21,840 --> 05:49:25,270
question.

7025
05:49:25,280 --> 05:49:29,120
Okay. All those in favor?

7026
05:49:29,120 --> 05:49:31,760
Uh motion is carried unanimous. And

7027
05:49:31,760 --> 05:49:34,480
again, uh, thank you, Miss Khaled, for

7028
05:49:34,480 --> 05:49:37,520
all that work. Um, very much appreciate

7029
05:49:37,520 --> 05:49:40,240
it. Um,

7030
05:49:40,240 --> 05:49:43,600
and so I know

7031
05:49:43,600 --> 05:49:45,280
the research and everything that you did

7032
05:49:45,280 --> 05:49:48,080
to make that happen, um, it's very much

7033
05:49:48,080 --> 05:49:51,200
appreciated on our part. So, thank you.

7034
05:49:51,200 --> 05:49:54,310
>> Thank you, council.

7035
05:49:54,310 --> 05:49:54,320
» Thank you, council.

7036
05:49:54,320 --> 05:49:57,430
>> Um, the

7037
05:49:57,430 --> 05:49:57,440
» Um, the

7038
05:49:57,440 --> 05:50:01,040
next item on our agenda would be 7.2.

7039
05:50:01,040 --> 05:50:05,680
two, which is policy 3-3.

7040
05:50:05,680 --> 05:50:10,958
Um, council appointees reimbursement.

7041
05:50:10,958 --> 05:50:13,840
And who's taking that one?

7042
05:50:13,840 --> 05:50:16,708
>> That would be me.

7043
05:50:16,708 --> 05:50:16,718
» That would be me.

7044
05:50:16,718 --> 05:50:19,190
>> Well, Miss Vanool, then whenever you are

7045
05:50:19,190 --> 05:50:19,200
» Well, Miss Vanool, then whenever you are

7046
05:50:19,200 --> 05:50:20,240
ready.

7047
05:50:20,240 --> 05:50:22,948
>> Thank you, Mr. Chair. I bring to you

7048
05:50:22,948 --> 05:50:22,958
» Thank you, Mr. Chair. I bring to you

7049
05:50:22,958 --> 05:50:25,760
today policy 3-3, council appointees

7050
05:50:25,760 --> 05:50:27,600
reimbursement. The purpose of this

7051
05:50:27,600 --> 05:50:29,520
policy is to establish clear guidelines

7052
05:50:29,520 --> 05:50:31,680
for the rates of pay, mileage, meal

7053
05:50:31,680 --> 05:50:33,280
reimbursement, and convention allowance

7054
05:50:33,280 --> 05:50:36,400
for our appointed members at large. The

7055
05:50:36,400 --> 05:50:38,480
comm um the committee of the whole had a

7056
05:50:38,480 --> 05:50:40,320
chance to review this policy back in

7057
05:50:40,320 --> 05:50:43,760
June as this policy is um in our review

7058
05:50:43,760 --> 05:50:46,160
schedule. At that meeting, council made

7059
05:50:46,160 --> 05:50:48,480
a recommendation to increase the PDM

7060
05:50:48,480 --> 05:50:51,040
rate to 320. However, the last couple

7061
05:50:51,040 --> 05:50:52,638
months, council has been reviewing their

7062
05:50:52,638 --> 05:50:54,480
own council compensation and actually

7063
05:50:54,480 --> 05:50:57,840
just approved $36128

7064
05:50:57,840 --> 05:51:00,958
PDM rate for themselves. Administration

7065
05:51:00,958 --> 05:51:02,718
put the same pdium in the proposed

7066
05:51:02,718 --> 05:51:04,480
policy. However, council retains the

7067
05:51:04,480 --> 05:51:06,160
authority to adjust this amount as they

7068
05:51:06,160 --> 05:51:08,320
see fit.

7069
05:51:08,320 --> 05:51:09,920
Another change that was made to the

7070
05:51:09,920 --> 05:51:12,798
policy was an increase to the meal

7071
05:51:12,798 --> 05:51:15,040
reimbursements by $5 each, making

7072
05:51:15,040 --> 05:51:18,320
breakfast $20, dinner $20, and supper

7073
05:51:18,320 --> 05:51:20,798
$30. This is for members who do not have

7074
05:51:20,798 --> 05:51:22,798
a receipt. If a member does have a

7075
05:51:22,798 --> 05:51:24,480
receipt, they can get reimbursed for

7076
05:51:24,480 --> 05:51:26,558
what that receipt is for as long as it

7077
05:51:26,558 --> 05:51:29,200
is an appropriate expense.

7078
05:51:29,200 --> 05:51:31,440
U we recommend that these changes take

7079
05:51:31,440 --> 05:51:33,200
effect November 1st, aligning with

7080
05:51:33,200 --> 05:51:34,958
council's compensation policy that was

7081
05:51:34,958 --> 05:51:37,280
just passed. That concludes my report.

7082
05:51:37,280 --> 05:51:38,878
I'm happy to answer any questions you

7083
05:51:38,878 --> 05:51:40,718
might have.

7084
05:51:40,718 --> 05:51:43,510
>> Okay. Thank you for that. Um any

7085
05:51:43,510 --> 05:51:43,520
» Okay. Thank you for that. Um any

7086
05:51:43,520 --> 05:51:46,480
questions from council regarding policy

7087
05:51:46,480 --> 05:51:50,230
3-3?

7088
05:51:50,240 --> 05:51:52,958
Um, sure. Councelor Witto,

7089
05:51:52,958 --> 05:51:55,510
>> I know it's an oversight, Carolyn. Uh,

7090
05:51:55,510 --> 05:51:55,520
» I know it's an oversight, Carolyn. Uh,

7091
05:51:55,520 --> 05:51:58,000
effective rate in red here is January

7092
05:51:58,000 --> 05:52:01,920
1st of 26. Did you want to amend that to

7093
05:52:01,920 --> 05:52:04,558
November 1st of 25?

7094
05:52:04,558 --> 05:52:05,990
>> Yes, I can change that on the

7095
05:52:05,990 --> 05:52:06,000
» Yes, I can change that on the

7096
05:52:06,000 --> 05:52:06,788
>> I'll just Yeah.

7097
05:52:06,788 --> 05:52:06,798
» I'll just Yeah.

7098
05:52:06,798 --> 05:52:07,910
>> Okay, good.

7099
05:52:07,910 --> 05:52:07,920
» Okay, good.

7100
05:52:07,920 --> 05:52:09,510
>> It was just an afterthought when we were

7101
05:52:09,510 --> 05:52:09,520
» It was just an afterthought when we were

7102
05:52:09,520 --> 05:52:12,480
bringing that one forward and Yeah, it

7103
05:52:12,480 --> 05:52:20,310
was Sorry, I missed that.

7104
05:52:20,320 --> 05:52:22,400
Okay. So, basically the two policies now

7105
05:52:22,400 --> 05:52:25,280
align with each other.

7106
05:52:25,280 --> 05:52:27,760
Okay. And that was the goal that we had

7107
05:52:27,760 --> 05:52:29,600
is that they would be in alignment.

7108
05:52:29,600 --> 05:52:30,868
>> That's correct.

7109
05:52:30,868 --> 05:52:30,878
» That's correct.

7110
05:52:30,878 --> 05:52:32,628
>> Councelor Woodstock.

7111
05:52:32,628 --> 05:52:32,638
» Councelor Woodstock.

7112
05:52:32,638 --> 05:52:34,310
>> Okay. So, I would like to make the

7113
05:52:34,310 --> 05:52:34,320
» Okay. So, I would like to make the

7114
05:52:34,320 --> 05:52:37,520
motion that council approved policy 3-3,

7115
05:52:37,520 --> 05:52:40,160
council appointees reimbursement review

7116
05:52:40,160 --> 05:52:42,798
as presented effective November 1st of

7117
05:52:42,798 --> 05:52:45,990
2025.

7118
05:52:46,000 --> 05:52:49,360
Okay. Thank you for that. So, we do have

7119
05:52:49,360 --> 05:52:52,240
a motion to approve the policy 3-3

7120
05:52:52,240 --> 05:52:54,798
council appointees reimbursement review

7121
05:52:54,798 --> 05:52:57,120
as presented effective November 1st,

7122
05:52:57,120 --> 05:52:58,638
2025.

7123
05:52:58,638 --> 05:53:00,798
Any further discussion, question or

7124
05:53:00,798 --> 05:53:07,190
comment related to that?

7125
05:53:07,200 --> 05:53:09,280
I'm not seeing any. So, are you prepared

7126
05:53:09,280 --> 05:53:12,958
for the question? All those in favor?

7127
05:53:12,958 --> 05:53:16,240
And that is carried unanimously.

7128
05:53:16,240 --> 05:53:20,480
So, thank you, Miss Vanderool, for that.

7129
05:53:20,480 --> 05:53:23,920
The next item on our agenda is

7130
05:53:23,920 --> 05:53:27,120
disposition of delegation and public

7131
05:53:27,120 --> 05:53:30,160
hearing business

7132
05:53:30,160 --> 05:53:33,750
and

7133
05:53:33,760 --> 05:53:35,840
I guess I'm going to look to you again.

7134
05:53:35,840 --> 05:53:38,390
>> Perfect.

7135
05:53:38,390 --> 05:53:38,400
» Perfect.

7136
05:53:38,400 --> 05:53:40,628
>> Miss Vander.

7137
05:53:40,628 --> 05:53:40,638
» Miss Vander.

7138
05:53:40,638 --> 05:53:42,868
>> Perfect. All right. So, earlier today,

7139
05:53:42,868 --> 05:53:42,878
» Perfect. All right. So, earlier today,

7140
05:53:42,878 --> 05:53:45,440
Dr. Schaefer attended as a delegation.

7141
05:53:45,440 --> 05:53:47,520
He was invited at council's request as

7142
05:53:47,520 --> 05:53:49,760
you had asked for a presentation from an

7143
05:53:49,760 --> 05:53:52,638
expert on Alberta's electrical grid. U

7144
05:53:52,638 --> 05:53:54,798
Dr. Schaefer provided that presentation

7145
05:53:54,798 --> 05:53:56,798
which gave council valuable background

7146
05:53:56,798 --> 05:53:58,638
and context on the grid and related

7147
05:53:58,638 --> 05:54:01,040
processes. As this was for information

7148
05:54:01,040 --> 05:54:03,600
purposes only, administration recommends

7149
05:54:03,600 --> 05:54:05,360
that council receive the Alberta

7150
05:54:05,360 --> 05:54:07,840
electricity grid presentation from Dr.

7151
05:54:07,840 --> 05:54:11,670
Schaefer for information.

7152
05:54:11,680 --> 05:54:15,280
» Okay, thank you for that. There any uh

7153
05:54:15,280 --> 05:54:17,360
discussions to the request that we just

7154
05:54:17,360 --> 05:54:21,510
received for information?

7155
05:54:21,520 --> 05:54:22,798
Councelor Cigan,

7156
05:54:22,798 --> 05:54:24,150
>> I just want to say thank you to

7157
05:54:24,150 --> 05:54:24,160
» I just want to say thank you to

7158
05:54:24,160 --> 05:54:26,400
administration for inviting um Dr.

7159
05:54:26,400 --> 05:54:28,080
Schaefer. I thought his presentation was

7160
05:54:28,080 --> 05:54:30,638
excellent and um he was very engaging

7161
05:54:30,638 --> 05:54:33,120
and I think it was really important for

7162
05:54:33,120 --> 05:54:35,120
him to hear our rural perspective out

7163
05:54:35,120 --> 05:54:37,120
here too. So uh with that being said,

7164
05:54:37,120 --> 05:54:38,320
I'll make the motion that council

7165
05:54:38,320 --> 05:54:40,240
receive for information the Alberta

7166
05:54:40,240 --> 05:54:42,400
electricity grid presentation from Dr.

7167
05:54:42,400 --> 05:54:44,400
Blake Schaefer.

7168
05:54:44,400 --> 05:54:45,430
>> Thank you for that, Councelor

7169
05:54:45,430 --> 05:54:45,440
» Thank you for that, Councelor

7170
05:54:45,440 --> 05:54:47,440
Cunningham. So, we do have a motion to

7171
05:54:47,440 --> 05:54:49,840
receive for information the Alberta

7172
05:54:49,840 --> 05:54:55,670
electricity

7173
05:54:55,680 --> 05:54:59,440
grid presentation from Dr. Schaefer.

7174
05:54:59,440 --> 05:55:02,240
Um, and the only comment I'm going to

7175
05:55:02,240 --> 05:55:04,958
make is it appears there's no E in his

7176
05:55:04,958 --> 05:55:07,040
shaper

7177
05:55:07,040 --> 05:55:10,080
on the stuff that he gave us.

7178
05:55:10,080 --> 05:55:11,670
>> So,

7179
05:55:11,670 --> 05:55:11,680
» So,

7180
05:55:11,680 --> 05:55:12,320
Anyway,

7181
05:55:12,320 --> 05:55:16,470
>> goodness.

7182
05:55:16,480 --> 05:55:19,520
» Okay, any discussion? If not, all those

7183
05:55:19,520 --> 05:55:21,920
in favor? Oh, sorry. You had discussion.

7184
05:55:21,920 --> 05:55:23,590
>> Just just a positive comment. I really

7185
05:55:23,590 --> 05:55:23,600
» Just just a positive comment. I really

7186
05:55:23,600 --> 05:55:25,360
enjoyed the information and appreciate

7187
05:55:25,360 --> 05:55:26,878
it very much.

7188
05:55:26,878 --> 05:55:27,750
>> Great.

7189
05:55:27,750 --> 05:55:27,760
» Great.

7190
05:55:27,760 --> 05:55:30,310
>> Thank you, Councelor Cunningham or

7191
05:55:30,310 --> 05:55:30,320
» Thank you, Councelor Cunningham or

7192
05:55:30,320 --> 05:55:32,240
Councelor Christie.

7193
05:55:32,240 --> 05:55:39,350
>> Both of you. Thank you.

7194
05:55:39,360 --> 05:55:40,878
» All right. I think it's time for a

7195
05:55:40,878 --> 05:55:42,958
break.

7196
05:55:42,958 --> 05:55:44,798
Okay, we got that nailed. Councelor

7197
05:55:44,798 --> 05:55:47,040
Cunningham made the motion. Councelor

7198
05:55:47,040 --> 05:55:49,760
Christie made the comment. Thank you.

7199
05:55:49,760 --> 05:55:51,280
All right.

7200
05:55:51,280 --> 05:55:55,430
All those in favor?

7201
05:55:55,440 --> 05:55:57,840
That's carried unanimously. Good thing

7202
05:55:57,840 --> 05:56:00,638
we're not all perfect here because I'd

7203
05:56:00,638 --> 05:56:04,160
be in the wrong room if we were.

7204
05:56:04,160 --> 05:56:06,160
All right, the next item on our agenda

7205
05:56:06,160 --> 05:56:09,280
would be 8.2, to regional parks and

7206
05:56:09,280 --> 05:56:12,480
recreation needs assessment delegation

7207
05:56:12,480 --> 05:56:15,040
by the Bellard group and I'm going to

7208
05:56:15,040 --> 05:56:22,470
say welcome Miss Sherlock.

7209
05:56:22,480 --> 05:56:28,240
» Thank you. Um so yes uh this morning I

7210
05:56:28,240 --> 05:56:30,320
um we had the delegation from valid

7211
05:56:30,320 --> 05:56:34,400
group come to discuss the project. Um,

7212
05:56:34,400 --> 05:56:36,000
currently we have them conducting a

7213
05:56:36,000 --> 05:56:37,760
regional parks and recreation needs

7214
05:56:37,760 --> 05:56:40,320
assessment so that we can determine and

7215
05:56:40,320 --> 05:56:41,760
evaluate the current state and the

7216
05:56:41,760 --> 05:56:43,920
availability of the recreational

7217
05:56:43,920 --> 05:56:46,080
resources for Neihill County residents

7218
05:56:46,080 --> 05:56:48,878
and the surrounding municipalities.

7219
05:56:48,878 --> 05:56:51,840
Um lots of this uh big proponent of that

7220
05:56:51,840 --> 05:56:54,240
was the is the engagement portion um

7221
05:56:54,240 --> 05:56:56,558
which we're currently in the middle of

7222
05:56:56,558 --> 05:57:02,080
as well as um the inventory um analysis

7223
05:57:02,080 --> 05:57:04,400
and assessment of the facilities that

7224
05:57:04,400 --> 05:57:06,878
are available. Um

7225
05:57:06,878 --> 05:57:11,920
and as uh Asid um detailed in his his

7226
05:57:11,920 --> 05:57:14,958
presentation um the uh background

7227
05:57:14,958 --> 05:57:17,520
research and benchmarking proponents

7228
05:57:17,520 --> 05:57:20,000
that uh will come later on in the

7229
05:57:20,000 --> 05:57:22,958
eventual report writing. So

7230
05:57:22,958 --> 05:57:26,400
uh with that I will bring it to council.

7231
05:57:26,400 --> 05:57:29,280
Is there any questions or anything from

7232
05:57:29,280 --> 05:57:31,120
there?

7233
05:57:31,120 --> 05:57:34,868
>> Okay. Thank you Miss Sherlock. Um, any

7234
05:57:34,868 --> 05:57:34,878
» Okay. Thank you Miss Sherlock. Um, any

7235
05:57:34,878 --> 05:57:38,638
questions? Um, Councelor Christie,

7236
05:57:38,638 --> 05:57:40,470
>> just a comment. I appreciate the

7237
05:57:40,470 --> 05:57:40,480
» just a comment. I appreciate the

7238
05:57:40,480 --> 05:57:42,320
diligence they're going after

7239
05:57:42,320 --> 05:57:44,878
information one-on-one to get

7240
05:57:44,878 --> 05:57:46,798
information because surveys scare the

7241
05:57:46,798 --> 05:57:48,240
hell out of me if you don't have

7242
05:57:48,240 --> 05:57:50,798
feedback. So, I appreciate that they're

7243
05:57:50,798 --> 05:57:55,830
taking time to talk to everybody.

7244
05:57:55,840 --> 05:57:57,600
» Thank you for that,

7245
05:57:57,600 --> 05:57:58,310
>> Councelor Penner.

7246
05:57:58,310 --> 05:57:58,320
» Councelor Penner.

7247
05:57:58,320 --> 05:57:59,990
>> I think it is also very important that

7248
05:57:59,990 --> 05:58:00,000
» I think it is also very important that

7249
05:58:00,000 --> 05:58:02,000
they're not too long because you'll lose

7250
05:58:02,000 --> 05:58:03,920
people. They give up. So, it cannot be

7251
05:58:03,920 --> 05:58:05,200
too long.

7252
05:58:05,200 --> 05:58:07,510
>> Yeah, I believe it's under the 10-minute

7253
05:58:07,510 --> 05:58:07,520
» Yeah, I believe it's under the 10-minute

7254
05:58:07,520 --> 05:58:11,360
mark to complete. Um, and I did ask

7255
05:58:11,360 --> 05:58:13,520
Christine at the break uh over lunch

7256
05:58:13,520 --> 05:58:16,320
about the website page that should be

7257
05:58:16,320 --> 05:58:19,200
launched tomorrow. Um, as well as some

7258
05:58:19,200 --> 05:58:21,520
of the social media posting. So,

7259
05:58:21,520 --> 05:58:24,150
>> okay. Thank you.

7260
05:58:24,150 --> 05:58:24,160
» okay. Thank you.

7261
05:58:24,160 --> 05:58:27,190
>> Any other questions, discussion? Deputy

7262
05:58:27,190 --> 05:58:27,200
» Any other questions, discussion? Deputy

7263
05:58:27,200 --> 05:58:29,200
McGee.

7264
05:58:29,200 --> 05:58:31,840
Um I'm I'm still sorting out exactly how

7265
05:58:31,840 --> 05:58:33,760
I want to go about what I have to say,

7266
05:58:33,760 --> 05:58:38,798
but um I first off I think who you have

7267
05:58:38,798 --> 05:58:41,120
come to us is going to do a very

7268
05:58:41,120 --> 05:58:42,878
thorough excellent job and I'm really

7269
05:58:42,878 --> 05:58:44,958
excited about this project and thank you

7270
05:58:44,958 --> 05:58:47,280
for that.

7271
05:58:47,280 --> 05:58:51,040
Um having said that though I I find it

7272
05:58:51,040 --> 05:58:52,878
challenging to be in the role that I'm

7273
05:58:52,878 --> 05:58:55,040
in when a survey goes out before I know

7274
05:58:55,040 --> 05:58:56,638
a survey is going out and what's in the

7275
05:58:56,638 --> 05:58:58,958
survey because again like said in a

7276
05:58:58,958 --> 05:59:01,040
different point, we are the lays on to

7277
05:59:01,040 --> 05:59:03,840
the community and I just feel um

7278
05:59:03,840 --> 05:59:06,878
inadequate to my residents if we're not

7279
05:59:06,878 --> 05:59:10,000
informed on those things. So, um, having

7280
05:59:10,000 --> 05:59:11,600
said that, I'd like to ask

7281
05:59:11,600 --> 05:59:13,440
administration if maybe we could

7282
05:59:13,440 --> 05:59:15,200
consider bringing our public

7283
05:59:15,200 --> 05:59:17,360
participation or communication policy

7284
05:59:17,360 --> 05:59:19,760
forward to revamp it so that we can

7285
05:59:19,760 --> 05:59:21,920
address that in a more constructive,

7286
05:59:21,920 --> 05:59:24,878
proactive way because um I just feel

7287
05:59:24,878 --> 05:59:27,120
like a piece was missed with how we

7288
05:59:27,120 --> 05:59:29,360
rolled this out

7289
05:59:29,360 --> 05:59:31,600
that makes it difficult for council to

7290
05:59:31,600 --> 05:59:33,920
do their job well.

7291
05:59:33,920 --> 05:59:35,350
>> Absolutely.

7292
05:59:35,350 --> 05:59:35,360
» Absolutely.

7293
05:59:35,360 --> 05:59:38,628
>> Go ahead, Miss Sherlock. So, in response

7294
05:59:38,628 --> 05:59:38,638
» Go ahead, Miss Sherlock. So, in response

7295
05:59:38,638 --> 05:59:40,718
to that, absolutely. Um, the intention

7296
05:59:40,718 --> 05:59:42,480
was to have council be the first point

7297
05:59:42,480 --> 05:59:45,360
of contact, but with the discovery night

7298
05:59:45,360 --> 05:59:49,200
coming and being that first week, um, we

7299
05:59:49,200 --> 05:59:51,200
had to take the opportunity where it was

7300
05:59:51,200 --> 05:59:55,200
available. Um, and so that was

7301
05:59:55,200 --> 05:59:57,760
essentially a soft launch for us to get

7302
05:59:57,760 --> 05:59:59,760
it out there. Um, make some of those

7303
05:59:59,760 --> 06:00:01,840
connections. But, um, of course, our

7304
06:00:01,840 --> 06:00:04,240
intention was always to be council

7305
06:00:04,240 --> 06:00:06,480
first. uh this was just the earliest we

7306
06:00:06,480 --> 06:00:08,240
could get onto the agenda. So I

7307
06:00:08,240 --> 06:00:10,320
appreciate that.

7308
06:00:10,320 --> 06:00:13,190
>> Thank you. And and for me having it as

7309
06:00:13,190 --> 06:00:13,200
» Thank you. And and for me having it as

7310
06:00:13,200 --> 06:00:14,400
part of this package would have been

7311
06:00:14,400 --> 06:00:15,520
very helpful

7312
06:00:15,520 --> 06:00:19,910
>> as well. Um but yes um through the chair

7313
06:00:19,910 --> 06:00:19,920
» as well. Um but yes um through the chair

7314
06:00:19,920 --> 06:00:22,160
may I ask Mr. Hogan if I could how to

7315
06:00:22,160 --> 06:00:24,400
word a motion to bring back the

7316
06:00:24,400 --> 06:00:29,510
participation policy?

7317
06:00:29,520 --> 06:00:31,760
» Well, it's pretty straightforward. I

7318
06:00:31,760 --> 06:00:35,680
think just uh request administration to

7319
06:00:35,680 --> 06:00:38,878
bring forward the policy regarding

7320
06:00:38,878 --> 06:00:51,190
public participation for review.

7321
06:00:51,200 --> 06:00:53,760
Public participation policy that's

7322
06:00:53,760 --> 06:01:04,628
called

7323
06:01:04,638 --> 06:01:15,030
Some moved.

7324
06:01:15,040 --> 06:01:18,150
Okay.

7325
06:01:18,160 --> 06:01:32,948
Council

7326
06:01:32,958 --> 06:01:36,240
Um, it's 18-2 public consultation

7327
06:01:36,240 --> 06:01:41,270
policy.

7328
06:01:41,280 --> 06:01:44,240
18-2

7329
06:01:44,240 --> 06:01:59,110
public consultation policy.

7330
06:01:59,120 --> 06:02:02,160
I'm just trying to get it to come up on

7331
06:02:02,160 --> 06:02:04,240
my computer here.

7332
06:02:04,240 --> 06:02:06,878
Um because it's under two. Okay. It's

7333
06:02:06,878 --> 06:02:09,600
actually called the public participation

7334
06:02:09,600 --> 06:02:11,680
policy

7335
06:02:11,680 --> 06:02:15,030
18-2.

7336
06:02:15,040 --> 06:02:25,830
It's got two titles in our website.

7337
06:02:25,840 --> 06:02:45,910
Super

7338
06:02:45,920 --> 06:02:50,948
Deputy McGee. You made that motion?

7339
06:02:50,958 --> 06:02:55,670
» Yes, that's good. Thank you.

7340
06:02:55,680 --> 06:02:59,680
» All right. So, we have a motion um in

7341
06:02:59,680 --> 06:03:02,240
the midst of this presentation. So,

7342
06:03:02,240 --> 06:03:03,760
let's deal with that. Uh council

7343
06:03:03,760 --> 06:03:05,600
requests administration to bring forward

7344
06:03:05,600 --> 06:03:08,558
for review policy 18-2, the public

7345
06:03:08,558 --> 06:03:11,040
participation policy.

7346
06:03:11,040 --> 06:03:15,120
Uh any discussion, question or comment?

7347
06:03:15,120 --> 06:03:17,760
Mr. Hogan? Thank you, Mr. Chair. Just as

7348
06:03:17,760 --> 06:03:19,440
a note to council, that policy is

7349
06:03:19,440 --> 06:03:21,120
scheduled for review at this at this

7350
06:03:21,120 --> 06:03:22,878
time. So, it is coming up in its natural

7351
06:03:22,878 --> 06:03:25,360
rotation.

7352
06:03:25,360 --> 06:03:28,470
>> Okay. Well, I guess this just this just

7353
06:03:28,470 --> 06:03:28,480
» Okay. Well, I guess this just this just

7354
06:03:28,480 --> 06:03:32,558
affirms that or reaffirms that.

7355
06:03:32,558 --> 06:03:35,590
>> Um, so from your point of view, it's

7356
06:03:35,590 --> 06:03:35,600
» Um, so from your point of view, it's

7357
06:03:35,600 --> 06:03:38,480
okay to go forward with this motion or

7358
06:03:38,480 --> 06:03:42,240
you don't do you see it as redundant or

7359
06:03:42,240 --> 06:03:43,430
>> uh through the chair, I don't see it as

7360
06:03:43,430 --> 06:03:43,440
» uh through the chair, I don't see it as

7361
06:03:43,440 --> 06:03:44,718
redundant. If it's a priority to

7362
06:03:44,718 --> 06:03:47,600
council, then the mot appropriate. Um I

7363
06:03:47,600 --> 06:03:48,878
was just putting out there on the policy

7364
06:03:48,878 --> 06:03:50,400
review schedule though. This one is one

7365
06:03:50,400 --> 06:03:51,600
of the ones that

7366
06:03:51,600 --> 06:03:51,990
>> Okay.

7367
06:03:51,990 --> 06:03:52,000
» Okay.

7368
06:03:52,000 --> 06:03:52,948
>> is coming.

7369
06:03:52,948 --> 06:03:52,958
» is coming.

7370
06:03:52,958 --> 06:03:54,948
>> Deputy McGee,

7371
06:03:54,948 --> 06:03:54,958
» Deputy McGee,

7372
06:03:54,958 --> 06:03:56,948
>> when do you have a timeline of when

7373
06:03:56,948 --> 06:03:56,958
» when do you have a timeline of when

7374
06:03:56,958 --> 06:03:59,680
you're expecting to bring that back

7375
06:03:59,680 --> 06:04:01,590
>> through the chair? It's not there's

7376
06:04:01,590 --> 06:04:01,600
» through the chair? It's not there's

7377
06:04:01,600 --> 06:04:03,280
there's not been a specific meeting

7378
06:04:03,280 --> 06:04:05,280
slated for this review.

7379
06:04:05,280 --> 06:04:06,948
>> Okay. Well, then I'd like to keep the

7380
06:04:06,948 --> 06:04:06,958
» Okay. Well, then I'd like to keep the

7381
06:04:06,958 --> 06:04:07,920
motion.

7382
06:04:07,920 --> 06:04:09,750
>> This just sets it as a higher priority,

7383
06:04:09,750 --> 06:04:09,760
» This just sets it as a higher priority,

7384
06:04:09,760 --> 06:04:11,110
>> right? So, I'd like to keep the motion

7385
06:04:11,110 --> 06:04:11,120
» right? So, I'd like to keep the motion

7386
06:04:11,120 --> 06:04:11,920
for that reason.

7387
06:04:11,920 --> 06:04:15,030
>> Y

7388
06:04:15,040 --> 06:04:17,360
» um And I think for me personally this

7389
06:04:17,360 --> 06:04:19,360
goes handinhand with governance model

7390
06:04:19,360 --> 06:04:21,680
because um our conversation about that

7391
06:04:21,680 --> 06:04:23,280
last time there was a little piece about

7392
06:04:23,280 --> 06:04:26,558
the public part participation policy. So

7393
06:04:26,558 --> 06:04:28,400
I see them actually going a little bit

7394
06:04:28,400 --> 06:04:30,000
hand in hand. I think you almost can't

7395
06:04:30,000 --> 06:04:31,840
do one without the other. That's just

7396
06:04:31,840 --> 06:04:34,320
me.

7397
06:04:34,320 --> 06:04:35,830
>> Well unfortunately in municipal

7398
06:04:35,830 --> 06:04:35,840
» Well unfortunately in municipal

7399
06:04:35,840 --> 06:04:38,718
government sometimes we have what seems

7400
06:04:38,718 --> 06:04:40,638
to be totally either unrelated or

7401
06:04:40,638 --> 06:04:42,480
related things happening at different or

7402
06:04:42,480 --> 06:04:45,920
same other times. So

7403
06:04:45,920 --> 06:04:47,680
Okay. So, we do have a motion in front

7404
06:04:47,680 --> 06:04:49,280
of us. Is there any further discussion

7405
06:04:49,280 --> 06:04:51,280
to the motion that we request

7406
06:04:51,280 --> 06:04:53,760
administration to bring forward uh for

7407
06:04:53,760 --> 06:04:56,240
review policy 18-2, the public

7408
06:04:56,240 --> 06:04:59,680
participation policy?

7409
06:04:59,680 --> 06:05:00,958
There is none. I'm going to call the

7410
06:05:00,958 --> 06:05:03,600
question. All those in favor?

7411
06:05:03,600 --> 06:05:06,240
And that's carried unanimous. All right.

7412
06:05:06,240 --> 06:05:08,480
We're going back to regional parks and

7413
06:05:08,480 --> 06:05:10,878
recreation needs assessment. Um the

7414
06:05:10,878 --> 06:05:13,360
Ballard group delegation here earlier

7415
06:05:13,360 --> 06:05:15,440
today Any

7416
06:05:15,440 --> 06:05:18,878
further comment or discussion related to

7417
06:05:18,878 --> 06:05:21,520
that specific item?

7418
06:05:21,520 --> 06:05:22,798
Councelor Cunningham, please.

7419
06:05:22,798 --> 06:05:24,628
>> So, through the chair to the CEO, just

7420
06:05:24,628 --> 06:05:24,638
» So, through the chair to the CEO, just

7421
06:05:24,638 --> 06:05:27,280
because I don't have it just at hand,

7422
06:05:27,280 --> 06:05:30,958
can you just remind me what was budgeted

7423
06:05:30,958 --> 06:05:34,080
um in the 2025 budget for the parks and

7424
06:05:34,080 --> 06:05:37,600
recreation needs assessment?

7425
06:05:37,600 --> 06:05:38,788
>> Uh through the chair, we'd have to

7426
06:05:38,788 --> 06:05:38,798
» Uh through the chair, we'd have to

7427
06:05:38,798 --> 06:05:40,160
confirm that number. I don't have it off

7428
06:05:40,160 --> 06:05:49,830
the top of my head.

7429
06:05:49,840 --> 06:06:05,670
Any other questions or comment?

7430
06:06:05,680 --> 06:06:06,558
» Sure.

7431
06:06:06,558 --> 06:06:08,150
>> I'd make the motion that council receive

7432
06:06:08,150 --> 06:06:08,160
» I'd make the motion that council receive

7433
06:06:08,160 --> 06:06:09,520
for information the presentation

7434
06:06:09,520 --> 06:06:12,638
provided by the ballot group.

7435
06:06:12,638 --> 06:06:16,070
Okay.

7436
06:06:16,080 --> 06:06:25,190
Any further discussion?

7437
06:06:25,200 --> 06:06:27,360
Administration will get us that number.

7438
06:06:27,360 --> 06:06:31,200
Okay. All those in favor

7439
06:06:31,200 --> 06:06:33,440
and that motion is carried unanimous.

7440
06:06:33,440 --> 06:06:35,200
Thank you.

7441
06:06:35,200 --> 06:06:38,320
The next item on our agenda Oh, Mr.

7442
06:06:38,320 --> 06:06:40,718
Hogan. Sorry.

7443
06:06:40,718 --> 06:06:43,440
Um, dear Mr. Reev, just looking in the

7444
06:06:43,440 --> 06:06:45,280
uh at the second quarter budget variance

7445
06:06:45,280 --> 06:06:46,958
report there under operating projects,

7446
06:06:46,958 --> 06:06:49,440
the e the parks and recreation needs

7447
06:06:49,440 --> 06:06:51,760
assessment was budgeted at 110,000 to

7448
06:06:51,760 --> 06:06:53,600
come from the parks reserve. Uh we're

7449
06:06:53,600 --> 06:06:54,878
projecting that it's going to be about

7450
06:06:54,878 --> 06:06:57,360
75.

7451
06:06:57,360 --> 06:07:04,230
>> There we go. Thank you.

7452
06:07:04,240 --> 06:07:09,190
All

7453
06:07:09,200 --> 06:07:11,680
right.

7454
06:07:11,680 --> 06:07:14,480
Um,

7455
06:07:14,480 --> 06:07:16,000
delegation,

7456
06:07:16,000 --> 06:07:19,840
um, behalf of our local MLA,

7457
06:07:19,840 --> 06:07:26,868
Terara Sawyer,

7458
06:07:26,878 --> 06:07:28,558
Miss Vander.

7459
06:07:28,558 --> 06:07:33,270
>> Yes, that's me again.

7460
06:07:33,270 --> 06:07:33,280
» Yes, that's me again.

7461
06:07:33,280 --> 06:07:34,400
keeping you jumping.

7462
06:07:34,400 --> 06:07:34,948
>> Right.

7463
06:07:34,948 --> 06:07:34,958
» Right.

7464
06:07:34,958 --> 06:07:36,708
>> Yep.

7465
06:07:36,708 --> 06:07:36,718
» Yep.

7466
06:07:36,718 --> 06:07:39,270
>> All right. So, today we heard from El Em

7467
06:07:39,270 --> 06:07:39,280
» All right. So, today we heard from El Em

7468
06:07:39,280 --> 06:07:41,280
M Emila Terara Sawyer. She attended

7469
06:07:41,280 --> 06:07:43,520
council as a delegation at council's

7470
06:07:43,520 --> 06:07:45,600
request. Council highlighted local

7471
06:07:45,600 --> 06:07:47,200
priorities including Badlands

7472
06:07:47,200 --> 06:07:50,080
Motorsports, FCSS funding, provincial

7473
06:07:50,080 --> 06:07:53,280
downloading Bill 50, um council code of

7474
06:07:53,280 --> 06:07:56,878
conduct um replacement, municipal

7475
06:07:56,878 --> 06:07:58,878
involvement with the AU, provincial

7476
06:07:58,878 --> 06:08:00,718
invitation to Horseshoe Horseshoe

7477
06:08:00,718 --> 06:08:03,600
Canyon, and potential tourism funding.

7478
06:08:03,600 --> 06:08:06,638
Emily Terara Sawyer Sawyer also shared

7479
06:08:06,638 --> 06:08:08,878
her goals and priorities in representing

7480
06:08:08,878 --> 06:08:11,200
the area. As this was for information

7481
06:08:11,200 --> 06:08:13,520
purposes only, administration recommends

7482
06:08:13,520 --> 06:08:15,840
that council receive MLA Terasawyer's

7483
06:08:15,840 --> 06:08:21,030
delegation for information.

7484
06:08:21,040 --> 06:08:25,350
Thank you for that.

7485
06:08:25,360 --> 06:08:27,920
Any question or comment or someone care

7486
06:08:27,920 --> 06:08:30,160
to make the motion? Councelor Christie,

7487
06:08:30,160 --> 06:08:32,310
>> I make the motion, but I appreciate her

7488
06:08:32,310 --> 06:08:32,320
» I make the motion, but I appreciate her

7489
06:08:32,320 --> 06:08:34,400
ability to

7490
06:08:34,400 --> 06:08:36,320
absorb a lot of stuff in the first year

7491
06:08:36,320 --> 06:08:38,718
and it's overwhelming and I'm glad at

7492
06:08:38,718 --> 06:08:40,718
this point after the election, she still

7493
06:08:40,718 --> 06:08:42,480
thinks it's her dream job. So, I really

7494
06:08:42,480 --> 06:08:44,958
appreciate that. So, anyway, I'd make

7495
06:08:44,958 --> 06:08:46,320
the motion to receive for information

7496
06:08:46,320 --> 06:08:48,638
the presentation provided by MLA Terara

7497
06:08:48,638 --> 06:08:49,920
Sawyer.

7498
06:08:49,920 --> 06:08:51,990
>> Okay, thank you for that. Any discussion

7499
06:08:51,990 --> 06:08:52,000
» Okay, thank you for that. Any discussion

7500
06:08:52,000 --> 06:08:54,240
to that motion?

7501
06:08:54,240 --> 06:08:57,040
If not, all those in favor?

7502
06:08:57,040 --> 06:09:00,080
That motion's carried unanimously?

7503
06:09:00,080 --> 06:09:03,280
Uh, Mr. Ganon, I was remiss in not

7504
06:09:03,280 --> 06:09:06,480
thanking Miss Sherlock for being here

7505
06:09:06,480 --> 06:09:08,958
and making her presentation. So, please

7506
06:09:08,958 --> 06:09:13,040
pass um council's thanks on to her for

7507
06:09:13,040 --> 06:09:15,840
having been here today and

7508
06:09:15,840 --> 06:09:18,718
helping us wade through the

7509
06:09:18,718 --> 06:09:21,040
presentation. Please do that.

7510
06:09:21,040 --> 06:09:25,670
>> I will. Thank you.

7511
06:09:25,680 --> 06:09:27,920
» All right.

7512
06:09:27,920 --> 06:09:31,280
The next item on our agenda is council

7513
06:09:31,280 --> 06:09:34,320
and committee reports.

7514
06:09:34,320 --> 06:09:38,160
So, um, although you weren't in the room

7515
06:09:38,160 --> 06:09:40,958
at the time, councelor Phobes, I did put

7516
06:09:40,958 --> 06:09:42,798
a placeholder in place in case you

7517
06:09:42,798 --> 06:09:44,798
wanted to provide us with anything from

7518
06:09:44,798 --> 06:09:48,000
Nehill Housing. If if you do not, that's

7519
06:09:48,000 --> 06:09:50,320
fine. I just wanted to make sure that

7520
06:09:50,320 --> 06:09:52,878
the opportunity was there if you wish to

7521
06:09:52,878 --> 06:09:54,000
take it.

7522
06:09:54,000 --> 06:09:56,230
>> And I would like to say thank you to the

7523
06:09:56,230 --> 06:09:56,240
» And I would like to say thank you to the

7524
06:09:56,240 --> 06:09:58,240
public for being patient while we

7525
06:09:58,240 --> 06:10:00,400
figured out what was accurate in all of

7526
06:10:00,400 --> 06:10:02,000
our minutes to make sure that we didn't

7527
06:10:02,000 --> 06:10:04,000
have anything left. that needed to be

7528
06:10:04,000 --> 06:10:06,160
addressing. So that is why it was a

7529
06:10:06,160 --> 06:10:07,520
little tardy and giving you the whole

7530
06:10:07,520 --> 06:10:10,160
year's worth in one shot,

7531
06:10:10,160 --> 06:10:11,760
but I just wanted to make sure that you

7532
06:10:11,760 --> 06:10:13,200
were aware of what was going on within

7533
06:10:13,200 --> 06:10:14,480
the organization.

7534
06:10:14,480 --> 06:10:15,590
>> Okay. Thank you.

7535
06:10:15,590 --> 06:10:15,600
» Okay. Thank you.

7536
06:10:15,600 --> 06:10:18,230
>> And then can I just This is it wasn't

7537
06:10:18,230 --> 06:10:18,240
» And then can I just This is it wasn't

7538
06:10:18,240 --> 06:10:19,760
part because I wasn't in the room. I

7539
06:10:19,760 --> 06:10:21,680
just want to say thank you on behalf of

7540
06:10:21,680 --> 06:10:24,400
the Torington Egg Society. They sent me

7541
06:10:24,400 --> 06:10:26,400
a text message. really wanted everyone

7542
06:10:26,400 --> 06:10:28,558
on council to know that they appreciate

7543
06:10:28,558 --> 06:10:30,718
the amount of um money that you're

7544
06:10:30,718 --> 06:10:32,558
putting into keeping that building and

7545
06:10:32,558 --> 06:10:34,240
the community alive.

7546
06:10:34,240 --> 06:10:35,990
>> So, they just wanted to say thank you so

7547
06:10:35,990 --> 06:10:36,000
» So, they just wanted to say thank you so

7548
06:10:36,000 --> 06:10:38,160
much for that.

7549
06:10:38,160 --> 06:10:41,590
>> Okay. Thank you. I appreciate the

7550
06:10:41,590 --> 06:10:41,600
» Okay. Thank you. I appreciate the

7551
06:10:41,600 --> 06:10:45,360
appreciation from them. Yeah.

7552
06:10:45,360 --> 06:10:51,040
All right. Um Thank you. Um

7553
06:10:51,040 --> 06:10:53,600
next item would be 9.2 two, which is the

7554
06:10:53,600 --> 06:10:55,920
division five update, which is of course

7555
06:10:55,920 --> 06:10:58,160
you, counselor Cunningham. So, whenever

7556
06:10:58,160 --> 06:10:59,120
you're ready.

7557
06:10:59,120 --> 06:11:00,390
>> Sorry. And I know we were a little

7558
06:11:00,390 --> 06:11:00,400
» Sorry. And I know we were a little

7559
06:11:00,400 --> 06:11:02,000
rushed last time, but I'll still try to

7560
06:11:02,000 --> 06:11:03,440
buzz through this quickly this time.

7561
06:11:03,440 --> 06:11:05,280
Just a couple things from from last

7562
06:11:05,280 --> 06:11:08,638
meeting. Um, Sergeant Day uh when he was

7563
06:11:08,638 --> 06:11:12,080
here as our uh detachment commander in

7564
06:11:12,080 --> 06:11:13,840
Three Hills, he received the King

7565
06:11:13,840 --> 06:11:17,680
Charles II coronation medal. Um, he just

7566
06:11:17,680 --> 06:11:19,200
there was some logistics about getting

7567
06:11:19,200 --> 06:11:21,520
him and K division together. So he did

7568
06:11:21,520 --> 06:11:22,958
receive it while he was in the role here

7569
06:11:22,958 --> 06:11:24,480
in Three House. So I just wanted to

7570
06:11:24,480 --> 06:11:26,558
acknowledge um the fact that he did

7571
06:11:26,558 --> 06:11:28,000
receive it. Some great pictures out

7572
06:11:28,000 --> 06:11:30,638
there on on social media. So again,

7573
06:11:30,638 --> 06:11:32,400
congratulations to Sergeant Day. He's

7574
06:11:32,400 --> 06:11:34,080
the current acting detachment commander

7575
06:11:34,080 --> 06:11:37,440
at the RCMP. Um future to be determined.

7576
06:11:37,440 --> 06:11:39,200
So yeah, so just again congratulations

7577
06:11:39,200 --> 06:11:40,798
to him and thanks to him for all the

7578
06:11:40,798 --> 06:11:43,040
work he did when he was here. Um, I also

7579
06:11:43,040 --> 06:11:45,760
had a call from Jason Calhoun who asked

7580
06:11:45,760 --> 06:11:49,440
me to express uh his and his family's um

7581
06:11:49,440 --> 06:11:51,680
thanks to Nihill County for our

7582
06:11:51,680 --> 06:11:54,798
involvement in their celebration um that

7583
06:11:54,798 --> 06:11:57,120
was held last month. Um he just felt

7584
06:11:57,120 --> 06:11:58,558
that it was really important to let us

7585
06:11:58,558 --> 06:12:00,080
know that um they really appreciated

7586
06:12:00,080 --> 06:12:02,558
Nihill County being there um being a

7587
06:12:02,558 --> 06:12:04,240
part of that celebration. So wanted to

7588
06:12:04,240 --> 06:12:07,440
pass that on. Um as mentioned earlier to

7589
06:12:07,440 --> 06:12:08,798
yeah I was at Discovery Night in Three

7590
06:12:08,798 --> 06:12:11,680
Hills last Wednesday. Um, Reef King, you

7591
06:12:11,680 --> 06:12:13,200
might know more eventually with the

7592
06:12:13,200 --> 06:12:15,760
numbers when when Mr. Stewart has them.

7593
06:12:15,760 --> 06:12:17,120
Every year it just seems like there's

7594
06:12:17,120 --> 06:12:18,558
more people. I don't that's not an

7595
06:12:18,558 --> 06:12:20,958
accurate, but that's just my guess. Uh,

7596
06:12:20,958 --> 06:12:24,000
very well attended, young to seniors,

7597
06:12:24,000 --> 06:12:27,040
all age groups. So, again, thanks to to

7598
06:12:27,040 --> 06:12:29,200
FCSS for the for the work they do on

7599
06:12:29,200 --> 06:12:31,440
that. Um, lunch with friends was there

7600
06:12:31,440 --> 06:12:34,638
serving um, barbecue and yeah, it was

7601
06:12:34,638 --> 06:12:36,000
uh, the museum was there with ice cream

7602
06:12:36,000 --> 06:12:37,840
and so yeah, it was just a really really

7603
06:12:37,840 --> 06:12:39,360
great night again. So, thanks to

7604
06:12:39,360 --> 06:12:41,360
everybody for that. And just to let you

7605
06:12:41,360 --> 06:12:42,958
know, we were to have police advisory in

7606
06:12:42,958 --> 06:12:44,480
August. And just due to a couple of the

7607
06:12:44,480 --> 06:12:46,638
members being away, it was delayed until

7608
06:12:46,638 --> 06:12:49,600
September 11th, which is next week. No,

7609
06:12:49,600 --> 06:12:51,680
this week. This week, this Thursday,

7610
06:12:51,680 --> 06:12:53,760
what day is it? So, yeah, if anybody has

7611
06:12:53,760 --> 06:12:55,520
any questions or comments or wants to

7612
06:12:55,520 --> 06:12:57,120
pass anything on, I will have that

7613
06:12:57,120 --> 06:12:59,600
meeting on Thursday night. So, awesome.

7614
06:12:59,600 --> 06:13:00,320
Thank you.

7615
06:13:00,320 --> 06:13:01,990
>> Okay. Thank you for that, Councelor

7616
06:13:01,990 --> 06:13:02,000
» Okay. Thank you for that, Councelor

7617
06:13:02,000 --> 06:13:07,520
Cunningham. Any comments or questions?

7618
06:13:07,520 --> 06:13:11,520
If not, we'll go on to 9.3,

7619
06:13:11,520 --> 06:13:13,680
which is community futures, and that's

7620
06:13:13,680 --> 06:13:14,958
councelor Christie.

7621
06:13:14,958 --> 06:13:17,350
>> There you go. I didn't get the executive

7622
06:13:17,350 --> 06:13:17,360
» There you go. I didn't get the executive

7623
06:13:17,360 --> 06:13:18,878
summary into this council meeting

7624
06:13:18,878 --> 06:13:20,718
agenda, but it'll be in next week's or

7625
06:13:20,718 --> 06:13:23,600
the two weeks from now. Um, the

7626
06:13:23,600 --> 06:13:26,080
highlight is community futures, heart of

7627
06:13:26,080 --> 06:13:28,240
the community, third or yeah, third

7628
06:13:28,240 --> 06:13:31,520
quarter closed. There was 47 nominations

7629
06:13:31,520 --> 06:13:34,400
and representing 26 businesses in the

7630
06:13:34,400 --> 06:13:37,520
northwest corner of that of the

7631
06:13:37,520 --> 06:13:39,680
community futures area. So that's Bazano

7632
06:13:39,680 --> 06:13:42,480
to us north. So we'll make an evaluation

7633
06:13:42,480 --> 06:13:44,480
the first part of October on who won

7634
06:13:44,480 --> 06:13:46,320
that quarter, but the nominations are

7635
06:13:46,320 --> 06:13:48,160
now open for the fourth quarter which is

7636
06:13:48,160 --> 06:13:51,120
the southeast or southwest corner of

7637
06:13:51,120 --> 06:13:54,240
community futures boundaries.

7638
06:13:54,240 --> 06:13:55,680
So, if there's any questions from the

7639
06:13:55,680 --> 06:13:57,280
executive report, I gave it all to

7640
06:13:57,280 --> 06:13:59,440
council now, but it was kind of short

7641
06:13:59,440 --> 06:14:00,558
notice, but our meeting was last

7642
06:14:00,558 --> 06:14:01,760
Thursday night, and I've been kind of

7643
06:14:01,760 --> 06:14:04,000
busy since then.

7644
06:14:04,000 --> 06:14:05,590
>> I have no idea what would have been

7645
06:14:05,590 --> 06:14:05,600
» I have no idea what would have been

7646
06:14:05,600 --> 06:14:09,040
keeping you busy.

7647
06:14:09,040 --> 06:14:12,230
>> Uh, that that was uh wasn't that 9.5 the

7648
06:14:12,230 --> 06:14:12,240
» Uh, that that was uh wasn't that 9.5 the

7649
06:14:12,240 --> 06:14:15,440
harvest report.

7650
06:14:15,440 --> 06:14:19,120
Haven't heard anything today is good

7651
06:14:19,120 --> 06:14:22,798
enough. All right. Um, moving on to 9.4.

7652
06:14:22,798 --> 06:14:25,600
four which is division one and that's

7653
06:14:25,600 --> 06:14:27,040
you deputy re McGee.

7654
06:14:27,040 --> 06:14:28,708
>> Thank you. And it's not really division

7655
06:14:28,708 --> 06:14:28,718
» Thank you. And it's not really division

7656
06:14:28,718 --> 06:14:31,040
one. I should have just said uh deputy

7657
06:14:31,040 --> 06:14:35,920
reev report. Um I had taken a personal

7658
06:14:35,920 --> 06:14:40,160
day to uh go do some tourism activities

7659
06:14:40,160 --> 06:14:42,798
myself and came across some data I

7660
06:14:42,798 --> 06:14:44,558
wanted to share with you. I've passed it

7661
06:14:44,558 --> 06:14:47,920
on to Carolyn to bring up on our screen.

7662
06:14:47,920 --> 06:14:51,120
I stopped at the Kirks alpaca farm. They

7663
06:14:51,120 --> 06:14:53,600
collected data for just this last three

7664
06:14:53,600 --> 06:14:54,958
months.

7665
06:14:54,958 --> 06:14:55,190
>> Wow.

7666
06:14:55,190 --> 06:14:55,200
» Wow.

7667
06:14:55,200 --> 06:14:57,110
>> And what you see on this screen is all

7668
06:14:57,110 --> 06:14:57,120
» And what you see on this screen is all

7669
06:14:57,120 --> 06:14:59,680
the pins on her map of where all her

7670
06:14:59,680 --> 06:15:02,000
visitors have come from.

7671
06:15:02,000 --> 06:15:05,990
>> Um she also boy she has passion and it's

7672
06:15:05,990 --> 06:15:06,000
» Um she also boy she has passion and it's

7673
06:15:06,000 --> 06:15:09,520
very exciting. I'm very excited to be

7674
06:15:09,520 --> 06:15:11,760
promoting community and what egg is all

7675
06:15:11,760 --> 06:15:16,240
about. I um also had a good visit with

7676
06:15:16,240 --> 06:15:18,320
her. She asked if I had time as a deputy

7677
06:15:18,320 --> 06:15:22,958
reev and so I did and she uh just wanted

7678
06:15:22,958 --> 06:15:25,600
to give accolades to our economic

7679
06:15:25,600 --> 06:15:28,160
development team. They have been really

7680
06:15:28,160 --> 06:15:31,440
um helpful and in her advancing her

7681
06:15:31,440 --> 06:15:34,480
business and she's just um really

7682
06:15:34,480 --> 06:15:37,040
thrilled with where she's come. So uh I

7683
06:15:37,040 --> 06:15:38,718
just thought you would like to see this

7684
06:15:38,718 --> 06:15:41,760
data. It's it's an great interesting

7685
06:15:41,760 --> 06:15:44,080
way. So, she's got this poster up in her

7686
06:15:44,080 --> 06:15:46,160
in her building and welcomes people to

7687
06:15:46,160 --> 06:15:49,120
put a pin on it. And that's um it's

7688
06:15:49,120 --> 06:15:59,750
impressive. Very impressive.

7689
06:15:59,760 --> 06:16:01,680
So, if you don't think people from all

7690
06:16:01,680 --> 06:16:06,400
over the world come to visit Alberta,

7691
06:16:06,400 --> 06:16:08,718
you soon find out differently.

7692
06:16:08,718 --> 06:16:10,230
>> And this is rural Alberta.

7693
06:16:10,230 --> 06:16:10,240
» And this is rural Alberta.

7694
06:16:10,240 --> 06:16:15,670
>> Yeah. I don't know for some people

7695
06:16:15,670 --> 06:16:15,680
» Yeah. I don't know for some people

7696
06:16:15,680 --> 06:16:19,990
>> better comment.

7697
06:16:20,000 --> 06:16:22,240
» Nope. That's all I have to say.

7698
06:16:22,240 --> 06:16:24,708
>> Um and apologize. This just through the

7699
06:16:24,708 --> 06:16:24,718
» Um and apologize. This just through the

7700
06:16:24,718 --> 06:16:26,320
even you don't have to except if you're

7701
06:16:26,320 --> 06:16:28,080
not. Um it just reminded me when we had

7702
06:16:28,080 --> 06:16:29,120
the presentation earlier. We were

7703
06:16:29,120 --> 06:16:31,200
talking about recycled

7704
06:16:31,200 --> 06:16:32,958
um solar panels and I said last meeting

7705
06:16:32,958 --> 06:16:35,120
that I would give a quick report. Is it

7706
06:16:35,120 --> 06:16:38,080
okay if I do it now or I didn't put my

7707
06:16:38,080 --> 06:16:38,878
hand up though?

7708
06:16:38,878 --> 06:16:41,750
>> Oh, I think we I think we quite easily

7709
06:16:41,750 --> 06:16:41,760
» Oh, I think we I think we quite easily

7710
06:16:41,760 --> 06:16:42,958
accept that

7711
06:16:42,958 --> 06:16:46,628
>> condition. I'll make it very quick. Um

7712
06:16:46,628 --> 06:16:46,638
» condition. I'll make it very quick. Um

7713
06:16:46,638 --> 06:16:48,638
things are going along relatively

7714
06:16:48,638 --> 06:16:52,000
smoothly. Um we awarded a new contract

7715
06:16:52,000 --> 06:16:53,840
for the landfill operation services and

7716
06:16:53,840 --> 06:16:55,360
that's up on the hill pushing the

7717
06:16:55,360 --> 06:16:57,440
pushing the garbage down and whatnot.

7718
06:16:57,440 --> 06:16:59,920
And um I'll say it wrong, but it's

7719
06:16:59,920 --> 06:17:01,760
Ambiipara. They're actually a Brazilian

7720
06:17:01,760 --> 06:17:05,600
company that's got the contract. Um, and

7721
06:17:05,600 --> 06:17:07,920
not not the cheapest. Um, but some of

7722
06:17:07,920 --> 06:17:09,280
the stuff that they offered, I was not

7723
06:17:09,280 --> 06:17:11,600
part of that selection committee. Um,

7724
06:17:11,600 --> 06:17:14,718
they are putting in grizzly mats. So, a

7725
06:17:14,718 --> 06:17:16,160
grizzly mat is something that lays on

7726
06:17:16,160 --> 06:17:17,440
the garbage.

7727
06:17:17,440 --> 06:17:19,030
>> So, you don't need as much. And we've

7728
06:17:19,030 --> 06:17:19,040
» So, you don't need as much. And we've

7729
06:17:19,040 --> 06:17:20,160
been talking about this for the late

7730
06:17:20,160 --> 06:17:21,760
last eight years that I've been on solid

7731
06:17:21,760 --> 06:17:23,520
waste, buying them, and so we don't have

7732
06:17:23,520 --> 06:17:24,798
to buy them. They're going to do it

7733
06:17:24,798 --> 06:17:27,200
themselves. And so, it saves us buying

7734
06:17:27,200 --> 06:17:30,080
dirt to lay on top because it's covered

7735
06:17:30,080 --> 06:17:34,240
up. they lay these grizzly mats on and

7736
06:17:34,240 --> 06:17:38,160
um so that was very positive on their um

7737
06:17:38,160 --> 06:17:39,760
application as well as they're going to

7738
06:17:39,760 --> 06:17:41,760
keep the staff that we already have up

7739
06:17:41,760 --> 06:17:43,520
there which is a private contractor but

7740
06:17:43,520 --> 06:17:47,600
that's up to them. Um we

7741
06:17:47,600 --> 06:17:49,920
have completed with a few amendments the

7742
06:17:49,920 --> 06:17:51,360
workplace violence and harassment

7743
06:17:51,360 --> 06:17:53,440
prevention plan and just to let you know

7744
06:17:53,440 --> 06:17:56,480
um but we're a small um commission down

7745
06:17:56,480 --> 06:18:00,240
there workplace. So the staff if they

7746
06:18:00,240 --> 06:18:03,040
ever have trouble with their manager um

7747
06:18:03,040 --> 06:18:04,958
they have to go to the board chair or to

7748
06:18:04,958 --> 06:18:06,558
the vice chair. Just so you know that's

7749
06:18:06,558 --> 06:18:08,718
where we've covered some of that stuff.

7750
06:18:08,718 --> 06:18:10,400
Um

7751
06:18:10,400 --> 06:18:14,320
we the landfill inspection was done um

7752
06:18:14,320 --> 06:18:16,958
costing $65,000.

7753
06:18:16,958 --> 06:18:19,360
Um and we got to do more on the gas. Oh,

7754
06:18:19,360 --> 06:18:21,920
sorry. It was done and we have to spend

7755
06:18:21,920 --> 06:18:25,520
$65,000 on more gas monitoring now. It's

7756
06:18:25,520 --> 06:18:27,600
crazy. New mandates are continually

7757
06:18:27,600 --> 06:18:30,320
coming up. It's

7758
06:18:30,320 --> 06:18:32,638
so ready. Huh? That's another thing.

7759
06:18:32,638 --> 06:18:35,200
Exactly. Um, but what you have to

7760
06:18:35,200 --> 06:18:37,360
remember is back in the day l Anfield is

7761
06:18:37,360 --> 06:18:39,600
built very clay base and so you didn't

7762
06:18:39,600 --> 06:18:43,040
have to put a lining in it and so now

7763
06:18:43,040 --> 06:18:46,240
for be for good practices we're doing

7764
06:18:46,240 --> 06:18:48,798
that. So because we're in a valley not

7765
06:18:48,798 --> 06:18:50,798
like the county one it's on flat they

7766
06:18:50,798 --> 06:18:52,400
fill up the different valleys and of

7767
06:18:52,400 --> 06:18:54,160
course one runs into the next one. So

7768
06:18:54,160 --> 06:18:56,558
now we're having to do some work. It

7769
06:18:56,558 --> 06:18:58,080
hasn't been mandated to us, but it's

7770
06:18:58,080 --> 06:18:59,840
just good practice so that down the road

7771
06:18:59,840 --> 06:19:02,878
there's not a huge

7772
06:19:02,878 --> 06:19:05,840
expense that is is um put on. So we are

7773
06:19:05,840 --> 06:19:07,520
putting a liner in between the two cells

7774
06:19:07,520 --> 06:19:09,200
where they run together. So any runoff

7775
06:19:09,200 --> 06:19:10,718
goes into them and runs down to our

7776
06:19:10,718 --> 06:19:12,638
collection pond. So just another

7777
06:19:12,638 --> 06:19:15,680
expense. Um we are staying within the

7778
06:19:15,680 --> 06:19:18,798
budget and everything. Um we also need a

7779
06:19:18,798 --> 06:19:20,878
burm. There was a burm that was somehow

7780
06:19:20,878 --> 06:19:23,360
dismantled years ago. The water runs can

7781
06:19:23,360 --> 06:19:24,798
off the hill, but it can't just keep

7782
06:19:24,798 --> 06:19:26,240
running. It has to catch in a burm and

7783
06:19:26,240 --> 06:19:28,958
run around to catchments. And it's just

7784
06:19:28,958 --> 06:19:31,120
um requirements.

7785
06:19:31,120 --> 06:19:33,040
Um we are having trouble with battery

7786
06:19:33,040 --> 06:19:35,680
fires, and I brought this up before the

7787
06:19:35,680 --> 06:19:39,200
last one. Um the payloader, it ignited

7788
06:19:39,200 --> 06:19:40,400
it, of course, when they're pushing

7789
06:19:40,400 --> 06:19:44,638
garbage. Um then lithium batteries are

7790
06:19:44,638 --> 06:19:47,360
the ones. And so in the manual, it says

7791
06:19:47,360 --> 06:19:48,878
you need to drown them. You need to

7792
06:19:48,878 --> 06:19:50,638
drown these batteries, stop them from

7793
06:19:50,638 --> 06:19:52,878
burning. Well, they found out with some

7794
06:19:52,878 --> 06:19:54,480
of these lithium batteries, they come

7795
06:19:54,480 --> 06:19:56,878
back to life once they dry out and they

7796
06:19:56,878 --> 06:19:58,320
continue. But that's what's in the

7797
06:19:58,320 --> 06:20:00,958
manual. So, our new practices down there

7798
06:20:00,958 --> 06:20:04,240
is it's sand these the batteries now in

7799
06:20:04,240 --> 06:20:06,320
our own. So, the province is changing

7800
06:20:06,320 --> 06:20:08,400
some of that wording I guess in that

7801
06:20:08,400 --> 06:20:09,920
they must go into sand. So, they have to

7802
06:20:09,920 --> 06:20:11,440
be collected. But, we are having a lot

7803
06:20:11,440 --> 06:20:14,480
of problem. Luckily, our guys up top are

7804
06:20:14,480 --> 06:20:16,638
are on top of it immediately as soon as

7805
06:20:16,638 --> 06:20:18,718
they see a little smolder there because

7806
06:20:18,718 --> 06:20:20,878
we do not want to fire as you've seen in

7807
06:20:20,878 --> 06:20:22,878
some of the other municipal um

7808
06:20:22,878 --> 06:20:25,520
landfills. Um the egg plastic pilot

7809
06:20:25,520 --> 06:20:26,718
program ends here at the end of

7810
06:20:26,718 --> 06:20:29,600
December. Um don't get mad. We're going

7811
06:20:29,600 --> 06:20:31,120
to continue to collect them because

7812
06:20:31,120 --> 06:20:33,520
there will be a program in place. We

7813
06:20:33,520 --> 06:20:35,040
don't know what it is right now. We were

7814
06:20:35,040 --> 06:20:38,080
one of the pilots um locations and I'm

7815
06:20:38,080 --> 06:20:40,080
pretty sure we'll become a permanent

7816
06:20:40,080 --> 06:20:42,638
program. um site I should say when the

7817
06:20:42,638 --> 06:20:44,320
permanent program comes in on January

7818
06:20:44,320 --> 06:20:46,000
1st. Most of the bags right now are

7819
06:20:46,000 --> 06:20:48,240
going to Bashor but if you drive by

7820
06:20:48,240 --> 06:20:50,400
Bashor there's a massive pile up there.

7821
06:20:50,400 --> 06:20:53,200
So there's but we will continue to um

7822
06:20:53,200 --> 06:20:56,320
collect them. Um the budget we've caught

7823
06:20:56,320 --> 06:20:58,718
up the 2024 books are at the auditors.

7824
06:20:58,718 --> 06:21:01,040
So hopefully we'll have them by our octo

7825
06:21:01,040 --> 06:21:02,798
our last meeting here in October before

7826
06:21:02,798 --> 06:21:06,958
the change in in um who sits at the

7827
06:21:06,958 --> 06:21:11,920
table. So now to solar panels,

7828
06:21:11,920 --> 06:21:14,558
if you have a solar panel at home and

7829
06:21:14,558 --> 06:21:16,000
something go, we all have the little

7830
06:21:16,000 --> 06:21:18,558
ones on at holiday trailers and whatnot.

7831
06:21:18,558 --> 06:21:21,200
Um, we as an electronics recycling

7832
06:21:21,200 --> 06:21:23,440
collection location and there's multiple

7833
06:21:23,440 --> 06:21:24,718
around the community. So I know there's

7834
06:21:24,718 --> 06:21:26,638
a little one in carbon too, but they all

7835
06:21:26,638 --> 06:21:29,600
come to the drum. We will continue to

7836
06:21:29,600 --> 06:21:31,600
take them because it's just smaller

7837
06:21:31,600 --> 06:21:33,360
amounts. But anything to do with

7838
06:21:33,360 --> 06:21:35,760
industry, we are not collecting period.

7839
06:21:35,760 --> 06:21:38,240
and we have not up till now we send them

7840
06:21:38,240 --> 06:21:40,080
on to Armor which is the Alberta

7841
06:21:40,080 --> 06:21:43,520
Recycling Management Board. Um and they

7842
06:21:43,520 --> 06:21:45,680
have to deal with it because don't be

7843
06:21:45,680 --> 06:21:47,120
right there's a lot

7844
06:21:47,120 --> 06:21:49,990
>> there's a lot damaged in transit even

7845
06:21:49,990 --> 06:21:50,000
» there's a lot damaged in transit even

7846
06:21:50,000 --> 06:21:54,558
being built there's a lot. So um but if

7847
06:21:54,558 --> 06:21:56,638
you have one at home you can still bring

7848
06:21:56,638 --> 06:21:58,958
it in for recycling. We do still collect

7849
06:21:58,958 --> 06:22:01,600
them. anything that has a cord, the

7850
06:22:01,600 --> 06:22:04,798
electronic recycling um program, we

7851
06:22:04,798 --> 06:22:06,878
collect all that stuff, but nothing to

7852
06:22:06,878 --> 06:22:09,200
do with industry at this point. And I

7853
06:22:09,200 --> 06:22:15,030
don't know if we ever will.

7854
06:22:15,040 --> 06:22:21,750
» And sorry, um there's not necess

7855
06:22:21,760 --> 06:22:23,600
is offering for the drum hella. We do

7856
06:22:23,600 --> 06:22:25,920
get our minutes. They're always behind.

7857
06:22:25,920 --> 06:22:27,280
But um we're just trying to work out

7858
06:22:27,280 --> 06:22:29,120
what the drum the town of Drum Hala is

7859
06:22:29,120 --> 06:22:30,958
going to continue to do on the

7860
06:22:30,958 --> 06:22:45,030
administration side for the landfill.

7861
06:22:45,040 --> 06:22:48,558
» Okay. Well, thank you for that.

7862
06:22:48,558 --> 06:22:53,040
Are there any other um

7863
06:22:53,040 --> 06:22:57,280
anybody else wanting to jump in?

7864
06:22:57,280 --> 06:22:59,040
Um

7865
06:22:59,040 --> 06:23:01,360
maybe what I would do is beg your

7866
06:23:01,360 --> 06:23:03,760
indulgence and we'll just talk about the

7867
06:23:03,760 --> 06:23:06,160
central zone meeting that happened here

7868
06:23:06,160 --> 06:23:08,480
um Friday. And just a reminder that

7869
06:23:08,480 --> 06:23:12,958
there is a um central to zone general

7870
06:23:12,958 --> 06:23:15,520
meeting coming up and I did send you all

7871
06:23:15,520 --> 06:23:19,920
an email uh related to that. Um and I'm

7872
06:23:19,920 --> 06:23:21,760
sure you probably all lost it, but it's

7873
06:23:21,760 --> 06:23:27,280
October the 3 and it's uh feeasant back

7874
06:23:27,280 --> 06:23:31,680
golf club I think in in um Lome County I

7875
06:23:31,680 --> 06:23:36,788
think maybe is where it's at.

7876
06:23:36,798 --> 06:23:39,520
Um,

7877
06:23:39,520 --> 06:23:41,600
so I mean everybody's busy, everybody's

7878
06:23:41,600 --> 06:23:44,638
doing different things. It was um one

7879
06:23:44,638 --> 06:23:46,718
thing that really jumped out at me was

7880
06:23:46,718 --> 06:23:50,958
came out of Big Horn and uh the the

7881
06:23:50,958 --> 06:23:52,878
Reeve there was telling us that they

7882
06:23:52,878 --> 06:23:55,120
just have a new operations facility that

7883
06:23:55,120 --> 06:23:59,360
they opened and it's a net zero building

7884
06:23:59,360 --> 06:24:01,440
and they got a million dollar grant from

7885
06:24:01,440 --> 06:24:04,320
FCM in order to make that net zero

7886
06:24:04,320 --> 06:24:06,718
building happen

7887
06:24:06,718 --> 06:24:08,798
and so they just uh got that thing

7888
06:24:08,798 --> 06:24:13,120
opened. Um county here has some new and

7889
06:24:13,120 --> 06:24:17,280
interesting things happening on their um

7890
06:24:17,280 --> 06:24:20,080
land use bylaw and MDP and they've

7891
06:24:20,080 --> 06:24:22,320
created a

7892
06:24:22,320 --> 06:24:26,310
egg nonresidential

7893
06:24:26,320 --> 06:24:29,200
designation in their land use. So it's a

7894
06:24:29,200 --> 06:24:31,120
way of preserving egg land. So they

7895
06:24:31,120 --> 06:24:33,520
allow they didn't up till now they've

7896
06:24:33,520 --> 06:24:35,200
never allowed this previously but they

7897
06:24:35,200 --> 06:24:38,480
now allow two subdivisions on a quarter

7898
06:24:38,480 --> 06:24:40,638
and the remnant

7899
06:24:40,638 --> 06:24:42,798
and To get that second subdivision, they

7900
06:24:42,798 --> 06:24:46,798
have to do an area structure plan

7901
06:24:46,798 --> 06:24:49,280
and they have to they're looking at this

7902
06:24:49,280 --> 06:24:53,680
egg non-residential for the remnant. So

7903
06:24:53,680 --> 06:24:55,430
>> red deer

7904
06:24:55,430 --> 06:24:55,440
» red deer

7905
06:24:55,440 --> 06:24:58,070
>> very interesting very

7906
06:24:58,070 --> 06:24:58,080
» very interesting very

7907
06:24:58,080 --> 06:25:05,430
>> and the goal is to preserve farmland.

7908
06:25:05,440 --> 06:25:07,280
So

7909
06:25:07,280 --> 06:25:10,240
just a

7910
06:25:10,240 --> 06:25:13,120
so just a couple of things and of course

7911
06:25:13,120 --> 06:25:16,240
um you know our friend uh Paul from

7912
06:25:16,240 --> 06:25:18,958
Pinoa County he talked about the fact

7913
06:25:18,958 --> 06:25:22,718
that um in Canada I think it's $4.2 2

7914
06:25:22,718 --> 06:25:25,440
billion to the gross domestic product

7915
06:25:25,440 --> 06:25:30,958
for steel whereas canola is 44 43.7

7916
06:25:30,958 --> 06:25:33,360
billion

7917
06:25:33,360 --> 06:25:36,878
and he talked about uh $51 billion in

7918
06:25:36,878 --> 06:25:38,718
car production and the amount of support

7919
06:25:38,718 --> 06:25:42,480
that's going on equally.

7920
06:25:42,480 --> 06:25:45,120
So anyway, just couple of little tidbits

7921
06:25:45,120 --> 06:25:52,948
from that meeting.

7922
06:25:52,958 --> 06:25:55,840
Anyway, um if there is no questions or

7923
06:25:55,840 --> 06:25:58,080
anything else, I would take a motion to

7924
06:25:58,080 --> 06:25:59,920
accept for information. Councelor

7925
06:25:59,920 --> 06:26:00,638
Cunningham.

7926
06:26:00,638 --> 06:26:02,070
>> I'll move the council accepts for

7927
06:26:02,070 --> 06:26:02,080
» I'll move the council accepts for

7928
06:26:02,080 --> 06:26:03,440
information the council and committee

7929
06:26:03,440 --> 06:26:05,840
reports as presented.

7930
06:26:05,840 --> 06:26:09,590
>> All right. All those in favor and that's

7931
06:26:09,590 --> 06:26:09,600
» All right. All those in favor and that's

7932
06:26:09,600 --> 06:26:11,440
carried unanimously.

7933
06:26:11,440 --> 06:26:13,760
And then one of our more fun events

7934
06:26:13,760 --> 06:26:15,840
which would be the council followup

7935
06:26:15,840 --> 06:26:22,230
action list.

7936
06:26:22,240 --> 06:26:24,558
one of the things we do regularly that

7937
06:26:24,558 --> 06:26:28,718
Mr. Zir really appreciates and loves

7938
06:26:28,718 --> 06:26:31,760
and um the only thing I'm going to say

7939
06:26:31,760 --> 06:26:36,240
uh related to that is um thank you to

7940
06:26:36,240 --> 06:26:38,638
Nhill County and administration and all

7941
06:26:38,638 --> 06:26:40,958
those involved in getting the Buffalo

7942
06:26:40,958 --> 06:26:44,000
Jump Road reserviced. It's an amazing

7943
06:26:44,000 --> 06:26:49,430
little piece of roadway. Thank you.

7944
06:26:49,440 --> 06:26:52,480
Speed still 80 kilometers an hour. We

7945
06:26:52,480 --> 06:26:55,840
did not upgrade the speed limit.

7946
06:26:55,840 --> 06:26:57,270
>> Councelor Christie, the speed limit

7947
06:26:57,270 --> 06:26:57,280
» Councelor Christie, the speed limit

7948
06:26:57,280 --> 06:27:00,240
still 80 km an hour.

7949
06:27:00,240 --> 06:27:01,990
>> Hey, come on. Last night I waited three

7950
06:27:01,990 --> 06:27:02,000
» Hey, come on. Last night I waited three

7951
06:27:02,000 --> 06:27:03,920
times for trucks and they told me we're

7952
06:27:03,920 --> 06:27:06,400
going slow

7953
06:27:06,400 --> 06:27:09,920
and one of them was deer hunting.

7954
06:27:09,920 --> 06:27:15,590
>> Yeah. Running over.

7955
06:27:15,600 --> 06:27:19,040
» Okay. Any questions on the council

7956
06:27:19,040 --> 06:27:24,310
action items?

7957
06:27:24,320 --> 06:27:26,878
I don't see any. So, I would accept a

7958
06:27:26,878 --> 06:27:30,000
motion to accept. Councelor Christie,

7959
06:27:30,000 --> 06:27:31,750
>> I so moved.

7960
06:27:31,750 --> 06:27:31,760
» I so moved.

7961
06:27:31,760 --> 06:27:33,990
>> Okay. So, I have a motion to accept the

7962
06:27:33,990 --> 06:27:34,000
» Okay. So, I have a motion to accept the

7963
06:27:34,000 --> 06:27:35,840
council follow-up action list as

7964
06:27:35,840 --> 06:27:37,520
presented.

7965
06:27:37,520 --> 06:27:39,840
All those in favor?

7966
06:27:39,840 --> 06:27:42,160
And that's carried unanimously. Thank

7967
06:27:42,160 --> 06:27:43,600
you.

7968
06:27:43,600 --> 06:27:46,240
So next item in our agenda is close

7969
06:27:46,240 --> 06:27:49,040
session. We have two items that I know

7970
06:27:49,040 --> 06:27:51,760
of in close session. One is third party

7971
06:27:51,760 --> 06:27:55,360
business under access to information act

7972
06:27:55,360 --> 06:27:58,400
section 19 and the second one is

7973
06:27:58,400 --> 06:28:02,080
intergovernmental relations section 26

7974
06:28:02,080 --> 06:28:05,200
under the access to information act. I

7975
06:28:05,200 --> 06:28:08,160
would entertain a motion to go into

7976
06:28:08,160 --> 06:28:14,548
close session.

7977
06:28:14,558 --> 06:28:18,478
Uh, I think that was all of council.

7978
06:28:18,478 --> 06:28:20,240
Councelor Phobes, thank you. We'll

7979
06:28:20,240 --> 06:28:23,760
designate you. All those in favor

7980
06:28:23,760 --> 06:28:25,840
and that motion scared unanimous. Thank

7981
06:28:25,840 --> 06:28:28,638
you.

7982
06:28:28,638 --> 06:28:29,750
>> One minute break.

7983
06:28:29,750 --> 06:28:29,760
» One minute break.

7984
06:28:29,760 --> 06:28:31,670
>> Yes, let's take the one minute break.

7985
06:28:31,670 --> 06:28:31,680
» Yes, let's take the one minute break.

7986
06:28:31,680 --> 06:28:33,190
>> Let's take two. I don't think I can get

7987
06:28:33,190 --> 06:28:33,200
» Let's take two. I don't think I can get

7988
06:28:33,200 --> 07:22:37,590
there. Okay. Somebody asked for two.

7989
07:22:37,600 --> 07:22:41,440
Okay. Um it's 3:29.

7990
07:22:41,440 --> 07:22:43,920
Um we had a motion to come out of close

7991
07:22:43,920 --> 07:22:47,360
session at 3:27. We recessed briefly to

7992
07:22:47,360 --> 07:22:50,240
allow the return of the public. It's now

7993
07:22:50,240 --> 07:22:52,240
3:29. I'll call our meeting back to

7994
07:22:52,240 --> 07:22:54,958
order. We're in close session for two

7995
07:22:54,958 --> 07:22:57,440
items under third party business section

7996
07:22:57,440 --> 07:23:00,080
19 and intergovernmental relations

7997
07:23:00,080 --> 07:23:03,680
section 26. There are no motions coming

7998
07:23:03,680 --> 07:23:06,558
forward from close session.

7999
07:23:06,558 --> 07:23:09,200
And the next item of business is motion

8000
07:23:09,200 --> 07:23:15,320
to adjourn at 3:29. We are adjourned.